· 9 years ago · Oct 17, 2016, 08:16 PM
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3[Lyneya's Hideaway, A Small Cottage]
4A well-worn desk piled high with notes and folders is set in front of glass windows that provide a breathtaking view of the river. Two wooden chairs, offering a place to sit for a discussion, face a small square table. Some shelves decorate the wall, displaying various mementos and souvenirs.
5You also see a questions list and a door.
6Also here: Blighter, Litrel, Duskruin Arena Heroine Mhisra, Acolyte Baegrim, Attendant Jenell, Apprentice Empath Whyt, Zantheuz, Benediction, Lightning Eater Zalan, Upper Crust Smavandree, Vorhuz, Lasika, GameMaster Persida and GameMaster Lyneya.
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13Smavandree studies the faces around him.
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16You feel fully rested.
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19Reverent Gabellia just arrived.
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28A runt-sized farm pig trots into the room.
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31Lyneya whistles a merry tune.
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34Astrella just arrived.
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37Your feet are dripping with water. Pools of it are forming all around you.
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41Astrella takes a seat.
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46[Lyneya's Hideaway, A Small Cottage]
47A well-worn desk piled high with notes and folders is set in front of glass windows that provide a breathtaking view of the river. Two wooden chairs, offering a place to sit for a discussion, face a small square table. Some shelves decorate the wall, displaying various mementos and souvenirs.
48You also see a runt-sized farm pig with a rainbow-striped collar with a delicate rose gold charm on it, a questions list and a door.
49Also here: Astrella who is sitting, Reverent Gabellia who is shrouded in ghostly flames, Blighter, Litrel, Duskruin Arena Heroine Mhisra, Acolyte Baegrim, Attendant Jenell, Apprentice Empath Whyt, Zantheuz, Benediction, Lightning Eater Zalan, Upper Crust Smavandree, Vorhuz, Lasika, GameMaster Persida and GameMaster Lyneya.
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57Shop Filler Thires just arrived.
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62Astrella begins to listen to Whyt teach the First Aid skill.
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65Astrella nods to Whyt.
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68On the shelf you see some pretty plz with a shiny red maraschino cherry on top, an octopus's garden, a giant construction paper card pasted with bits of broken macaroni, a yellow submarine, a plush walrus and a singing blackbird in a diorama of a night-time scene.
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70Blighter begins to listen to Whyt teach the First Aid skill.
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74Azettie yawns expansively.
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78Persida exclaims, "Nice sized group this time!"
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81Persida smiles at Lyneya.
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83Lyneya says, "So, there's a list which we will be using. I like the idea of open discussion, as long as people can respect the person speaking.. but I will hush the room if need be."
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85You tap a yellow submarine atop a shelf.
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105[Lyneya's Hideaway, A Small Cottage]
106A well-worn desk piled high with notes and folders is set in front of glass windows that provide a breathtaking view of the river. Two wooden chairs, offering a place to sit for a discussion, face a small square table. Some shelves decorate the wall, displaying various mementos and souvenirs.
107You also see a runt-sized farm pig with a rainbow-striped collar with a delicate rose gold charm on it, a questions list and a door.
108Also here: Herald Navesi, Divine Avenger Isharon, Shop Filler Thires, Azettie, Astrella who is sitting, Reverent Gabellia who is shrouded in ghostly flames, Blighter, Litrel, Duskruin Arena Heroine Mhisra, Acolyte Baegrim, Attendant Jenell, Apprentice Empath Whyt, Zantheuz, Benediction, Lightning Eater Zalan, Upper Crust Smavandree, Vorhuz, Lasika, GameMaster Persida and GameMaster Lyneya.
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114Drunken Master Ianhanse just arrived.
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118On the table you see some cinnamon coffee cake.
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127You see nothing unusual.
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130You grab yourself some cinnamon coffee cake. Yum!
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134Your feet are continuing to drip water everywhere.
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136You take a bite of the cake. Sweet and cakey!
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140You take a bite of the cake. Crumbles on the tongue!
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147Gabellia begins to listen to Whyt teach the First Aid skill.
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150You take a bite of the cake. Buttery and delicious. Leaves your hands sticky, but who cares?
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152You assess the teaching environment...
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154Whyt is teaching a class on extremely simplistic (10%+ less than you know) First Aid which is still open to new students.
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174Whyt demonstrates the science of First Aid, extolling its virtues, techniques, and uses at some length.
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186You take a bite of the cake. Buttery and delicious. Leaves your hands sticky, but who cares?
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191War Healer Saphryna just arrived.
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253Whyt smiles.
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255Buuwl clears his throat.
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260Your feet are still soaked.
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263Lyneya says, "There's always someone in a rage."
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270[Lyneya's Hideaway, A Small Cottage]
271A well-worn desk piled high with notes and folders is set in front of glass windows that provide a breathtaking view of the river. Two wooden chairs, offering a place to sit for a discussion, face a small square table. Some shelves decorate the wall, displaying various mementos and souvenirs.
272You also see a runt-sized farm pig with a rainbow-striped collar with a delicate rose gold charm on it, a questions list and a door.
273Also here: Chieftain Buuwl who is sitting, War Healer Saphryna, Crier Terali, Drunken Master Ianhanse, Herald Navesi, Divine Avenger Isharon, Shop Filler Thires, Azettie, Astrella who is sitting, Reverent Gabellia who is sitting, Blighter, Litrel, Duskruin Arena Heroine Mhisra, Acolyte Baegrim, Attendant Jenell, Apprentice Empath Whyt who is sitting, Zantheuz, Benediction, Lightning Eater Zalan, Upper Crust Smavandree, Vorhuz, Lasika, GameMaster Persida and GameMaster Lyneya.
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287Whyt waves to Saphryna.
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289Buuwl nods at Lyneya, obviously agreeing with her views.
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292Buuwl sighs.
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294Whyt takes a bite of the cake.
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297Smavandree exclaims, "Raawr!"
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299Buuwl slowly empties his lungs.
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325Azettie says to Lyneya, "To many pansies not enough poppies."
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330You are deeply impressed by the insight with which Whyt continues to initiate you into the art of First Aid.
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336You see GameMaster Persida of Elanthia, a Human.
337Persida has a sharply angular face with a grotesquely enlarged mouth filled with rows of razor-sharp teeth, pools of flickering flame in place of eyes and a classical nose. Her blue-black hair is long and wavy, and is worn untamed. She has lustrous stone-like midnight blue skin and a set of six muscular yet lithe arms sprouting from an athletic figure.
338She is a towering monstrosity for a Human.
339She has transcended time.
340She has a fair-skinned oval Rakash face with a freckled nose lashed to her face with sinew.
341She is in good shape.
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343She is wearing a veil of words crafted into the likeness of a tortured analogy taken one step too far, a festering string of PVP Open hearts, a floating orb, a severed typo head, a flame-proof breastplate and a loincloth fashioned from tattered event hides.
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365Smavandree says, "I'm a gnome, people don't take us being in a rage seriously.."
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386You hear a voice ask, "Can I edit berserk to make everything they say come out as whargarbl?"
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398War Healer Saphryna wandered into a door.
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407You see GameMaster Lyneya, an Elven Moon Mage.
408Lyneya has pointed ears, jade eyes and a small nose. Her amber hair is very long and fine with a white streak running through it, and is worn loose. She has some rainbow glitter accenting pale skin.
409She has transcended time.
410She has a tattoo of a stormy raincloud made from the tears of thousands of babies on her face.
411She is in good shape.
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413She is wearing a thin silver circlet set with a cabochon moonstone, an elegant silver amulet dangling a single sapphire teardrop, a pure white spidersilk cloak woven in a pattern resembling swan feathers, an ornate platinum brooch set with an orichalcum icosahedron, a pale blue moonsilk bag with a clasp shaped like a flying dove, a pale blue moonsilk robe elegantly embroidered with the image of a swan in flight, a fancy trinket and a pair of pale blue moonsilk slippers decorated with tiny seed pearls.
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415Ianhanse begins to listen to Buuwl teach the Parry Ability skill.
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417Buuwl smiles at Ianhanse.
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421Thires chortles softly at some secret joke.
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432Gabellia begins to listen to Buuwl teach the Parry Ability skill.
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449Buuwl whistles a merry tune.
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461With keen understanding and eloquence you secretly vow to master, Whyt easily illustrates a complicated aspect of First Aid.
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484[Lyneya's Hideaway, A Small Cottage]
485A well-worn desk piled high with notes and folders is set in front of glass windows that provide a breathtaking view of the river. Two wooden chairs, offering a place to sit for a discussion, face a small square table. Some shelves decorate the wall, displaying various mementos and souvenirs.
486You also see a runt-sized farm pig with a rainbow-striped collar with a delicate rose gold charm on it, a questions list and a door.
487Also here: Chieftain Buuwl who is sitting, Crier Terali, Drunken Master Ianhanse, Herald Navesi, Divine Avenger Isharon, Shop Filler Thires, Azettie, Astrella who is sitting, Reverent Gabellia who is sitting, Blighter, Litrel, Duskruin Arena Heroine Mhisra, Acolyte Baegrim, Attendant Jenell, Apprentice Empath Whyt who is sitting, Zantheuz, Benediction, Lightning Eater Zalan, Upper Crust Smavandree, Vorhuz, Lasika, GameMaster Persida and GameMaster Lyneya.
488Obvious exits: none.
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491Sunderstone's Zuz'darm Sendithu just arrived.
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554Lyneya says, "If you could all remove any atmo stuff.. I have problems with lag this time of night and the more we can reduce scroll, the better off I will be."
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579Gabellia reaches up to tap the surface of a luminous orb of coruscating rainbowed light floating near her, setting off a dazzling reaction as the colors within it shift through the full spectrum rapidly.
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591Gabellia scoops a runt-sized farm pig up into her arms.
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640You are still rather wet, but drying off nicely.
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642Gabellia presses her finger against a leaf-shaped sky blue svelae. The gem glows briefly, then falls away from her forehead.
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689Sendithu grins at Lyneya.
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752Embrace stands up.
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763Smavandree says, "I need this."
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765Gabellia stands up.
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782Gabellia just hugged Embrace.
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808Zelannz rummages around in a black leather baldric clasped by silver buckles and makes a quick grab inside, drawing out a tiny white rat.
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813Gabellia nods to Embrace.
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815Padhg's body is dripping with water. Pools of it are forming all around him.
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817Buuwl leaps to his feet!
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820Embrace just hugged Zelannz.
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822Thires ponders.
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832Zelannz tucks a tiny white rat into a coarse burlap sack.
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841Zelannz beams at Embrace!
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846Fist of the Heavens Samsaren just arrived.
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871Lyneya says, "If you keep your stance on PVP OPEN, please remain standing. If you tend to do GUARDED, please kneel. If you stay CLOSED, please have a seat."
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873Your mind hears Shunasazi thinking, "{faintly}" "rock trolls I believe, it has been a while"
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881Samsaren begins to lecture Sendithu on the proper use of the Forging skill.
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883Sendithu begins to listen to Samsaren teach the Forging skill.
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885Saphryna begins to listen to Samsaren teach the Forging skill.
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893Isharon kneels down.
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902With keen understanding and eloquence you secretly vow to master, Whyt easily illustrates a complicated aspect of First Aid.
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904Whyt takes a seat.
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907Lasika kneels down.
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912Smavandree kneels down.
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915Mhisra takes a seat.
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953Samsaren scans the area with a steadfast and intent gaze, searching for one in need of protection.
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956Thires kneels down.
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960Samsaren's feet are dripping with water. Pools of it are forming all around him.
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968[Lyneya's Hideaway, A Small Cottage]
969A well-worn desk piled high with notes and folders is set in front of glass windows that provide a breathtaking view of the river. Two wooden chairs, offering a place to sit for a discussion, face a small square table. Some shelves decorate the wall, displaying various mementos and souvenirs.
970You also see a questions list and a door.
971Also here: Fist of the Heavens Samsaren, Kiyatia, Tomakok who is sitting, Treasure Seeker Embrace, Padhg who is sitting, Longshoreman Taylii, Zantheuz, Sunderstone's Zuz'darm Sendithu, Chieftain Buuwl, Crier Terali who is kneeling, Herald Navesi, Divine Avenger Isharon who is kneeling, Shop Filler Thires who is kneeling, Azettie, Astrella who is sitting, Reverent Gabellia who is kneeling, Blighter, Litrel who is sitting, Duskruin Arena Heroine Mhisra who is sitting, Acolyte Baegrim, Attendant Jenell who is sitting, Apprentice Empath Whyt who is sitting, Benediction, Lightning Eater Zalan, Upper Crust Smavandree who is kneeling, Vorhuz, Lasika who is kneeling, GameMaster Persida and GameMaster Lyneya.
972Obvious exits: none.
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974Samsaren folds his arms across his chest.
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976Navesi kneels down.
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999Autaris just arrived.
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1041Your mind hears Vykasar thinking, "{faintly}" "thank you so much"
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1077[Lyneya's Hideaway, A Small Cottage]
1078A well-worn desk piled high with notes and folders is set in front of glass windows that provide a breathtaking view of the river. Two wooden chairs, offering a place to sit for a discussion, face a small square table. Some shelves decorate the wall, displaying various mementos and souvenirs.
1079You also see a questions list and a door.
1080Also here: Autaris, Fist of the Heavens Samsaren, Kiyatia who is sitting, Tomakok who is sitting, Treasure Seeker Embrace, Padhg who is sitting, Longshoreman Taylii who is sitting, Zantheuz, Sunderstone's Zuz'darm Sendithu, Chieftain Buuwl, Crier Terali who is kneeling, Herald Navesi who is kneeling, Divine Avenger Isharon who is kneeling, Shop Filler Thires who is kneeling, Azettie, Astrella who is sitting, Reverent Gabellia who is kneeling, Blighter who is kneeling, Litrel who is sitting, Duskruin Arena Heroine Mhisra who is sitting, Acolyte Baegrim, Attendant Jenell who is sitting, Apprentice Empath Whyt who is sitting, Benediction, Lightning Eater Zalan, Upper Crust Smavandree who is kneeling, Vorhuz, Lasika who is kneeling, GameMaster Persida and GameMaster Lyneya.
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1144Azettie says to Kiyatia, "Stand up you just were not smart enough to change it yet."
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1167Carefully reviewing and synthesizing the lesson, Whyt imparts some of her First Aid skill to you.
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1189Lyneya says, "In case anyone missed it."
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1239Your mind hears Areko thinking, "Please join us a the Apostles HQ shortly, I've discovered a note which could prove dangerous, but worth the risk I think. What say you? "
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1341With keen understanding and eloquence you secretly vow to master, Whyt easily illustrates a complicated aspect of First Aid.
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1354 Any number of people may sign up on the questions list while it's open.
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1356 You must be a subscriber to join the list.
1357 There is no charge to sign up on the questions list.
1358 The selection order is first-come, first-serve.
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1360 The questions list is open.
1361 Leaving the game for more than a few minutes is NOT allowed.
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1424Your mind hears Vykasar thinking, "{faintly}" "but sometimes being wise isn't fun"
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1483Large Blunt Aficionado Gander just arrived.
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1522Your mind hears Vykasar thinking, "{faintly}" "that was suppose to sound more wise that that, but it wasn't, so now i'm done"
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1525Your mind hears Shunasazi thinking, "{faintly}" "indeed, I am usually wise over fun. I could not stop the thought"
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1544You carefully watch Whyt as she employs some tried-and-true formulae to teach you a few new tricks with First Aid.
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1576I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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1626I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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1631One of Many Jhien just arrived.
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1644Commending your thirst for knowledge, Whyt enlightens you on how to use the First Aid skill.
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1650Buuwl says, "Before we start I think its best to know exactly what the problem is."
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1679Buuwl says, "I think I know what it is, but I'd like a clear picture."
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1695I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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1699You see Chieftain Buuwl Mad'uuwl, a Gor'Tog.
1700Buuwl has wild daring cobalt-blue eyes. He has sparkling smooth midnight green skin and an athletic build.
1701He appears to be young.
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1706He is wearing a Gor'Tog-sized senci spear with a multicolored carved dragonwood shaft, a lumpy bundle, some etched steel gauntlets, a lightened chain balaclava, a puffy-white targe sealed with protective wax, a large engraved wooden spoon, a glazed yellow leather-trimmed gabardine duffel bag, a felted brown hat with rounded bear ears, a witch ball, a witch ball, a witch ball, a cross-strapped korograth-hide baldric anchored by a wide abdominal strap, an albredine crystal ring, a dusky black hunting kilt layered with wide leather sections and a pair of battle-worn diamond-hide boots lined with threadbare fur.
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1744I could not find what you were referring to.
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1754Astrella asks, "That was my question. What exactly is the issue?"
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1769Isharon says, "JOIN LIST."
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1779Please rephrase that command.
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1781Whyt acquaints you with some more tricks of the trade by means of droll commentary and cogent examples.
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1784Gander snaps his fingers.
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1791Jhien says, "Thanks."
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1810Lyneya says, "If you keep your stance on PVP OPEN, please remain standing. If you tend to do GUARDED, please kneel. If you stay CLOSED, please have a seat."
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1814
1815 Name: Thires Kaku'tuul
1816 Race: S'Kra Mur Spouse: Single
1817 Citizenship: Zoluren
1818Preferred Location: Crossing
1819 Features: Thires has a weary face, piercing slitted animite-flecked eyes and a few chipped fangs barely seen protruding below a weathered, yet dignified snout, heavily-scarred inky black scales with a dull animite-hued underbelly, a long and curving scar-riddled tail and a worn-out posture that belies a once rigid build.
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1821 Roleplay Stance: Light
1822 PvP Stance: Guarded
1823 IM: AIM: ALLFTJ
1824 Quote: "I know everything about nothing."
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1832Your mind hears Larienna thinking, "I heard a rumor that Drogor has some evil plans for the Apostles tonight.. come to the Apostles HQ and see what goes down with the Farmer, the Father, and the Warrior... and Drogor! in 10 rois"
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2008You see Large Blunt Aficionado Gander, Bluntmaster, a Human.
2009Gander has an oval face, beady dark eyes and a crooked nose. He is bald, with dark skin and an athletic build.
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2011He appears to be an adult.
2012He has a thick bushy mustache that droops heavily on his upper lip and a long shaggy beard.
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2022Byd asks, "That gives consent, right?"
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2041Lyneya says, "I'm going to go close that portal real quick. You can still leave at any time, just head through the door."
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2051Gander glances at Byd.
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2053You listen humbly as Whyt shares some of her hard-won wisdom and marvel at her grasp of First Aid.
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2060Lyneya says, "Be right back."
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2089Byd says, "Asking for ... a friend."
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2095Your mind hears Vikr thinking, "{faintly}" "Can somebody please confirm if Quartz Gargs in Fang Cove is estate holder only?"
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2126Lyneya says, "Ok, so this is our group for tonight."
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2137Your mind hears Enthien thinking, "{faintly}" "Confirmed."
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2144Gander says, "I'm part of something."
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2149Your mind hears Gantris thinking, "{faintly}" "yes they are i believe"
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2154Jhien gets an impish expression on his face, and lets out a hearty cheer.
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2156Your mind hears Isharon thinking, "All of the Fang Cove hunting areas are generally restricted to estate holders."
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2164Your mind hears Vikr thinking, "{faintly}" "Drats. Thank ya."
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2190You carefully watch Whyt as she employs some tried-and-true formulae to teach you a few new tricks with First Aid.
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2258Off in the distance you hear two young warriors talking. "Did you hear, the Apostles found a mysterious note in their Order House in Crossing, and it looks like there is some kind of quest to solve the mystery. Let's grab our armor and swords and go join the fun!" The voices fade as they move into the distance.[OOC: Join us at 10:00 PM Eastern, and come battle ready! From outside Crossing's Empaths' Guild: go south, west, west, go archway.]
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2266Lyneya asks, "So, the first question I want to ask people is what do you think the issues with PVP are? I know what I have a problem with, I know what many other GMs encounter. I know what my customers complain about. What about those of you I don't hear from?"
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2293Your mind hears Nazaruss thinking, "{faintly}" "generally or specifically?"
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2299Whyt refreshes your memory and continues to train you in the First Aid skill.
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2341Your mind hears Enthien thinking, "Yes."
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2369Lyneya says, "For this part, you can just say your answer, if you can summarize it briefly."
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2377Gander says, "Oh."
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2383Jhien nods.
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2407Gander says, "That every pvp encounter ends in a consult."
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2417With keen understanding and eloquence you secretly vow to master, Whyt easily illustrates a complicated aspect of First Aid.
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2442Lyneya says, "I agree, that is a problem."
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2449Byd says, "That everyone else can 1-shot me."
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2459Jhien says, "Huge rank disparities mean most fights aren't remotely equal or even skill based, which just encourages more grinding and min-maxing, leading to further disparities and even less fun pvp."
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2462Navesi says, "Well I see several problems."
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2464Lyneya says to Byd, "Work harder."
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2471Byd grins.
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2493Buuwl says, "My problem with pvp is that the penalty for getting pvp wrong i.e. getting a warning is far worse than the actual worst thing that can happen in pvp (death)."
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2497Samsaren says, "I think, point black, policy is too broad and convoluted. I think, frankly, it's confusing enough to allow too much grey area, which we all know there's a portion of the playerbase that abuses such. By extension, the profile system helped a little, as it did offer some minor clarity in some smaller areas, but it also helped greatly bring to light the issues IN basic policty."
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2500Samsaren says, "Right now, there's two clear examples of issues. You have those who game, or abuse the system to grief or hurt other players. The other extreme is those who try to hide BEHIND policy and cause issues in a different way. The Answer, to me, lies in simplicity. Policy REALLY needs to be pared down, AND, sadly, effort from upstairs needs to be made to thoroughly enforce the newer policy so it sticks."
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2524Embrace nods.
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2529Jhien nods to Samsaren.
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2531Lyneya looks thoughtfully at Buuwl.
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2548With startlingly clear words, Whyt explains some advanced concepts of First Aid. You listen, amazed at how much you still have left to learn.
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2553Your mind hears Ogramaak thinking, "{faintly}" "selling fully upgraded textbook"
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2557Isharon nods at Buuwl, obviously agreeing with his views.
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2599Kyoushi says, "I think the issues mostly boil down to complexity. Hard for GMs to police, hard for new players to understand, and extremely time consuming. Even if you make 1000 different rules for policy SUPER clear to all players somehow, thats still not going to change your situation. Needs simplification."
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2615Embrace kindly says, "Well said Samsaren."
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2664Whyt shows you an interesting facet of First Aid, increasing your desire to become an accomplished practitioner of the skill.
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2697Navesi says, "2. Disrupting without Consequences. Closed people continuously annoying or insulting others without fear of repercussions."
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2717Navesi says, "3. Gangs. Open PVP conflict with one person results in numerous deaths from all of their friends."
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2724Gander says, "Further, I think that even though policy is broad and convoluted, there are some specific directions written out (5 25) that even when specific situations are given, you still end in a consult. I think most of the time GMs should just move along unless we're in a harassment zone. In the hundreds of games ive played, this is the ONLY game that I have to deal with staff on a regular basis while playing. There is far too much staff involvement."
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2741Navesi says, "4. Random attacking. People who are Open subject themselves to attack at any time, when perhaps they'd prefer RPed conflict. Yet there isn't a great way right now to 'safely' RP a conflict while Guarded without the potential for someone to report."
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2775Navesi says, "That's my list."
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2791Your mind hears Azettie thinking, "The fact that I can't even kill my own characters with out someone going straight to telling me I should assist instead of getting in on the rp that could be fun"
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2814Your mind hears Larienna thinking, "I keep hearing rumors of so many surprizes!"
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2889Buuwl says, "Like by a doctor or something."
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2899Sendithu says, "There's also issues with people having groups of friends report certain people for harassment, and other issues, trying to create some sort of 'where there's smoke there's fire' paper trail."
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2989Gander says, "That 'evil' is discouraged in every way, so aggressive players are forced to create their own entertainment. 'Evil' groups aren't allowed to be created ( a group like 'The Apostles' or 'Theren Guard') so there is no outlet but to cause trouble."
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2999Kyoushi says, "I have seen another system in a different MUD that works well. People have to actively enter the PVP system by signing up for a player-run organization called a "clan" and each clan manages its own diplomacy, rp, and pvp policy with other clans. Once entered, the people are stuck with that clan (and pvp setting) unless they pay a high cost to change or exit the pvp system."
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3001Buuwl asks, "If I'm a griefer do I want to kill someone, or do I want to be guarded bait them report them and get them to lose thump and offline exp drain for six months?"
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3032With eloquent gestures and a wry series of humorous anecdotes, Whyt shows you exactly how to improve your skill at First Aid.
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3041Azettie says to Gander, "We are the called the Poppies."
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3082Buuwl looks at Isharon and shrugs.
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3094Buuwl says, "I mean its a real problem."
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3101Your mind hears Larienna thinking, "All you young warriors of Elanthia! Come to the Apostle House in Crossing to join in a group effort to solve a mystery and save is from the wrath of the Gods!"
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3120 Name: Rifkk
3121 Spouse: No Info
3122 Roleplay Stance: Light
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3139Isharon says, "I think a 'loser gets the warning' system would discourage a lot of abuse."
3140s> say griefting and pvp baiting of people not intrested in pvp, is annoying
3141You say, "Griefting and pvp baiting of people not intrested in pvp, is annoying."
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3149Whyt admonishes you on commonly made errors, mistakes and misuses of First Aid that should be avoided at all costs.
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3171Sendithu says, "I got reported once for eating a jelly bean someone threw at me. The guy seriously wanted me OOC punished for that. I mean, really."
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3176Buuwl says to Isharon, "That would be awesome."
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3197Gander says, "A loser gets a warning system encourages MORE staff involvement which is my only issue with that, though I like the retributive theme of it."
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3213Buuwl says to Isharon, "Like you call a GM and create a mess, and you are wrong, you eat the warning."
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3234Buuwl says, "No way who would go into a consult they think they might lose."
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3246Buuwl says, "That has to mean less staff involvement."
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3252Lyneya says, "That's be .. I don't know if that'd be good."
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3260Isharon says, "That and not warning people for refusing to turn over weapons that lodge during PvP. Don't want to lose it? Don't throw it."
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3262Listening carefully as Whyt expounds on the finer details of First Aid, you gradually see the light.
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3269Byd says, "Not like every time I get ganked I get a warning? Cause that sounds horrible."
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3285Buuwl says, "I think that would be great and not only for PVP."
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3313Samsaren says to Isharon, "That's high velosity 'gift'ing in my book."
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3319Gander says, "Let the population of the game police itself as a whole, deal with severe harassment situations."
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3324Kyoushi says, "However we decide to do it for DR, I think the GMs should move the pvp policing to a player-run organization(like the mentors now, but different) and they police themselves. GMs only need to investigate and watch the policing body."
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3337Kyoushi nods to Gander.
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3364Baegrim says, "I think there's a huge disparity between people who grief other players for fun, buy said characters on a particular website just to get even or push their weight around the realms because they maybe had a bad experience with other people playing and those who actually encourage PVP through roleplaying on a limited basis that leads to great deals of fun among all players."
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3372The glistening net wrapped around Tomakok suddenly unravels and vanishes.
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3387Whyt expounds patiently and clearly to you on some nuances of First Aid that had heretofore escaped you.
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3419Isharon says to Gander, "I admire your optimism about the caliber of population we have."
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3426Sendithu says, "Player run organizations and orders are rife with policy players. I would be 100% against that."
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3435Gander says, "Rank discrepancy arguments are essentially invalid because your lack of effort should not be considered."
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3443Gander nods to Isharon.
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3448Gabellia nods at Sendithu, obviously agreeing with her views.
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3451Byd asks, "Arn't you a mentor?"
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3463Azettie says to Lyneya, "I can not join your list."
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3468Jhien snorts at Gander.
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3491Cheerfully sharing years of intense training, Whyt gives you several keen insights into First Aid that you did not expect.
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3510Gander says, "People report within seconds of a conflict starting, if the population could utterly destroy people who were causing a ruckus without having to have a 3 hour conversation about the merits of NEWS 5 25 with a GM, they might be more inclinced to get involved."
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3520Samsaren says, "I would not want the power to police policy in the hands of the average member of the playerbase."
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3525Buuwl says, "I would think the goal of the GMs is to formulate a policy that leads to less GM intervention than more."
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3536Lyneya says, "Well, we see how well policing ourselves as players works with Gwethsmashing. It's one of the most common assist reasons."
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3548Jhien says, "Someone who just signs up should not be told to go into the wilderness and grind solo for years before being able to even approach conflict with anyone else."
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3559Benediction says, "Game is strangling for interaction and people are living in echo chambers they create. Encouraging a policy that punishes people who report would be unwise. Communication needs to be encouraged not run off."
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3568Jhien says, "But that's a more complicated issue."
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3573Your mind hears Larienna thinking, "Apostles are at the intersection of Clanthew Blvd where you would turn south to go to the bank.. there is a raven on a hut and an arch. go arch"
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3580Padhg adds his name to the questions list.
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3582Kyoushi says, "Definitely not average member. But they can be chosen or elected. I mean even league of legends has council of guardians."
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3589Gander says to Jhien, "You dont have to fight with everyone, stay in your lane and fight those around you if you want to."
3590s> say considering majority of the player base, no offense, is caseuing the pvp conflicts, having players run it would be a bad idea
3591You say, "Considering majority of the player base, no offense, is caseuing the pvp conflicts, having players run it would be a bad idea."
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3610With keen understanding and eloquence you secretly vow to master, Whyt easily illustrates a complicated aspect of First Aid.
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3633Gander says, "Players are afraid of the MYTH of pvp, instead of the reality of it."
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3639Jhien says to Gander, "Then stop complaining when people, as pointed out, fall into script solo gameplay and get bored because there's nothing for them to do but script in isolation."
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3644Tomakok asks, "So, I've been back for 6 months. I've had two people try and bait me into a fight, and I simply ignore them and walk away. What is the real issue people are having?"
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3659Isharon says to Gander, "That really only works if the HLCs are in the hands of mature players. I'm not really sure that putting PvP policy in the hands of the mob is really a good idea or that people should have to join such a group as part of a PvP policy protection racket."
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3665Tomakok asks, "Is the issue PvP-based, or just simply maturity based?"
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3672Samsaren says to you, "Majority might be a slight exageration, I'd wager less people pvp then more."
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3682Gander says to Jhien, "I didnt complain of any such thing."
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3690Buuwl says, "Tomakok the real issue is some people can't just walk away."
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3695Tomakok asks, "It's quite obvious when someone is trying to drag you into a fight. Why not walk away?"
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3702Buuwl says, "And then you get a situation that blows up."
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3712Sendithu says to Tomakok, "They can't separate player ego from character and walk away when they want to, is the thing for most people."
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3714Your mind hears Sagadin thinking, "Selling large quantity of silver volumes and muracite, send me a thought if interested."
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3723Tomakok asks, "Why can't you simply walk away?"
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3730Gander says to Isharon, "HLCs are as mature as the environment they're given."
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3732Isharon nods at Sendithu, obviously agreeing with her views.
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3753Tomakok says, "Ok, so it's a maturity thing then."
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3758Gander says to Isharon, "They want entertainment and something to do, not to ruin days necessarily."
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3764Buuwl nods to Tomakok.
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3772Gander says, "Give an outlet and the issues will go down."
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3774Buuwl says, "Its an adult thing yes."
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3781Isharon says to Gander, "It might be more accurate to say they are as mature as policy requires them to be."
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3800Kyoushi nods to Isharon.
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3806Gander says, "Give them something to explode, when organizations like 'Theren Guard' exist to protect an area."
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3817Tomakok says, "Buuwl, not all adults are mature."
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3843Benediction asks, "Ego like crowing the people you smash on twitter?"
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3851Gander says, "Dont penalize the evil crew for wanting to destroy it."
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3874Tomakok says, "It seems to me that people just need to walk away and if you get into a conflict in which you enter PvP, it's on you."
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3883Tomakok shrugs.
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3889The stench of gangrene rises up from Gander's socks.
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3896Samsaren says to you, "I have guys of all levels, pvp open, it's usually the same folks I see pvping across the board, and a lot of folks disinterested, which is fine too."
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3898Jhien says, "I feel like you've probably never been griefed if you're saying that."
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3907Kyoushi says, "Its up to GMs to make the environment and structure. people will try to game it no matter what, but as is, its way too free and complex. the complexity leaves so much grey area, and twinks love grey."
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3914You say, "{gander but evil is aginst policy."
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3925Gander says, "Pvp on or off, remove guarded, remove GM involvement due to the black and white nature of on and off."
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3931Buuwl says, "Its actually really easy to leave a situation, its also really easy to identify harassment."
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3937Gander says to you, "Exactly the problem."
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3939Tomakok says, "I'm not talking about grief."
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3942Jhien ponders.
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3946Kyoushi nods to Gander.
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3956I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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3966Persida says, "I think were getting pretty off of the topic of concise representations of what you think the issue with PVP is."
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3971Tomakok says, "I'm tlaking about baiting someone into a PvP conflict."
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3973Whyt clarifies some of the more elusive subtleties of First Aid for you.
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3995Tomakok says, "And simply walking away."
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4000Gander says, "Give a mechanism to force pvp ON for players who are mouthing off or otherwise deserving of a whoopin."
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4013s> say acuattly i agree, there guarded needs to be removed, either you want pvp or you don't no middle groun, that just adds a grey area
4014Gander says, "Figure out how fair to make that mechanism."
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4016You say, "Acuattly i agree, there guarded needs to be removed, either you want pvp or you don't no middle groun, that just adds a grey area."
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4018Gander shrugs.
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4021I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4030Lyneya just left.
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4039Sendithu adds her name to the questions list.
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4043Isharon says, "Really, most of these issues arise because people are trying to engage in PvP with a player who doesn't want it on an OOC level. You know they aren't interested (or at least aren't interested in losing). But on some level 'getting' that person feels satisfying. So you tempt fate and start or escalate a conflict that is almost certain to end up in the consult room."
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4047Sendithu says, "Great, you broke Lyneya."
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4059Persida says, "Guys. Please halt the discussion."
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4069Jhien laughs!
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4073I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4082A heavy mist gathers in front of you, quickly solidifying into the form of Lyneya.
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4089Lyneya flails her arms about.
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4091Commenting favorably on the skills you already possess, Whyt gives you some tips on First Aid you had not known.
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4095You hear a voice say, "Lag is a heck of a thing."
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4110Lyneya says, "Lag sucks."
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4116Lyneya grins.
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4118Persida says, "We need to move to the list. Things are getting a bit afield."
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4122Gander says, "Then they shouldnt be open or guarded, if they dont want pvp on an ooc level. When they see a troublemaker come and start talking trash, they should know that person is looking for a fight. Disengage and move along. If it gets to a serious level, it would constitute harassment."
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4126Lyneya says, "Ok."
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4131Byd says, "You guys just made her quit her job."
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4138Kyoushi says, "I agree. Black and white. if you want to pvp, then be pvp. if you don't, then stay closed. changing shouldn't be easy, and there needs to be clear consequences for blending the line, such as closed/pvp people taunting each other or assisting during a fight."
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4141Byd says, "Thanks."
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4143*** Lyneya is hushing everyone. ***
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4146Navesi stops teaching and looks around quietly.
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4149I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4166Isharon adds her name to the questions list.
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4168Buuwl stops teaching and looks around quietly.
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4191I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4201Samsaren stops teaching and looks around quietly.
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4206Whyt stops teaching and looks around quietly.
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4225Lyneya says, "Now that we all have an idea how other people in general feel."
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4238I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4275I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4281Buuwl is next.
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4304Lyneya exclaims, "All the world is your stage!"
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4311Lyneya leans on Buuwl.
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4318Buuwl exclaims, "Sweet!"
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4320Naohhi fades into view.
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4324Naohhi adds her name to the questions list.
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4327I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4333Lyneya kicks Naohhi!
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4335Buuwl says, "So my idea has always been."
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4347Naohhi says, "I am proxy."
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4350Buuwl says, "To have a person have to abide by their own stance."
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4353Lyneya nods to Naohhi.
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4369Buuwl says, "So if you are guarded you cant attack an open without consent and so on."
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4377I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4403Buuwl says, "An open would obviously have to have consent to attack a guarded or closed, a closed person should treat everyone else as closed."
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4419I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4428Lyneya says, "If you mean a mechanical limitation, that would be great but would take a TON of Development work to implement. I'm not sure we have the resources to devote to that at this current juncture."
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4436Buuwl says, "If a guarded or a closed person first strike attacked an open they would be putting themselves at risk for a warning."
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4459Buuwl says, "You could probably just threaten the warning."
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4463I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4478Lyneya nods.
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4482Buuwl says, "But mechanical would be better."
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4496Your mind hears Augustburns thinking, "that moment when you go to the bank after a long coma, and youre pleased that youre such an amazing merchant, and quite rich."
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4502Lyneya says, "That's an idea. We kind of expect people to do this already."
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4511I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4522The vibrant blue nimbus fades from around Padhg.
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4527Lyneya says, "I know, it doesn't always go that way in practice."
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4541Buuwl says, "You expect it but it often doesn't happen and players who are open end up having to take a punch before they can respond."
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4543Your mind hears Waegol thinking, "Ya... bout that rich business"
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4555Lyneya nods in agreement.
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4558I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4568Your mind hears Waegol thinking, "not so much"
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4574Lyneya says, "And that stinks."
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4579Lyneya says, "Agreed."
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4591Your mind hears Ryber thinking, "{faintly}" "that dont aways last"
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4608I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4629Lyneya asks, "So, first suggestion tonight is a more strictly enforced STANCE policy. Is that a fair summary?"
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4646Buuwl says, "Yes."
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4650I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4656Lyneya says, "Thank you."
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4661Lyneya nods to Buuwl.
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4669Gabellia adds her name to the questions list.
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4671Lyneya asks, "Anything to add before I move on?"
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4732Buuwl shakes his head at Lyneya.
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4735I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4748Lyneya says, "Ok, thank you for your input."
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4757Lyneya says, "Sams."
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4769Samsaren nods.
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4771Lyneya nods politely to Samsaren.
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4773Samsaren inhales a great swallow of air.
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4779Samsaren says, "Hi there, one sec."
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4791I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4827This is not an appropriate place for that.
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4831I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4853Lyneya says, "Guys -- in general, it'll be smoother if you pretype your basic idea. What I'd prefer is to let everyone get their ideas out in a controlled manner, and then we can open up for discussion again."
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4858Samsaren says, "I would say my primary suggestion revolves around policy itself. Simply put there are just too many grey areas inside of it that give too many options to cause confusion, trouble, and so forth. I would suggest something a LOT more simple. One, remove Guarded, more to come. Two, remove ALL the grey area nonsense from policy and replace it will something simple like.. Don't do anything that effects the numbers, health, or gameplay of another character WITHOUT consent."
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4863This is not an appropriate place for that.
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4871This is not an appropriate place for that.
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4880I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4896Lyneya nods to Samsaren.
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4916Samsaren says, "This leaves OPEN of course being, well, open to whatever comes. And Closed would be operating inside normal policy. With the obvious caveat that if you pick a fight, and get your teeth kicked in, well, you had it comin'."
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4923I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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4939Samsaren says, "Things like THUMP, SMASHING, STEALING, blah blah, all granting consent."
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4976Lyneya nods to Samsaren.
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4990Samsaren says, "But none of the, Well, I can vertigo bob, and bob's gotta take it, but if he shoots me for it, I can eat his face."
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5002Lyneya says, "Right."
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5016Lyneya says, "I agree, that scenario happens and it sucks."
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5025Samsaren says, "And of course again, the obvious, you can't just hide behind being closed, it's not a safety net."
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5035Samsaren says, "You pee on big barbs boots, he's gonna hurtcha."
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5066Samsaren says, "Thats my suggestion."
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5084Lyneya says, "Thank you."
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5102Lyneya nods politely to Astrella.
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5157*** Persida is allowing everyone to speak now. ***
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5174Persida says, "That is not what I meant to do."
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5177*** Persida is hushing everyone. ***
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5191Lyneya laughs!
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5224Lyneya says, "I think I fixed people logging out and back in to a weird place."
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5257The audience is hushed now, seated and paying attention only to those on the stage. No one fidgets, no coughs break the silence. Even the door of the room seems quiet as you tiptoe to your seat.
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5291Persida asks Lyneya, "Next person, right?"
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5300Lyneya nods at Persida, obviously agreeing with her views.
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5311Lyneya says, "Astrella, feel free to join the list again but I'm going to keep moving."
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5313Jhien is next.
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5323Lyneya nods politely to Jhien.
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5350Jhien says, "I think there's a lot of talk about consent, and the policies and stances put up an attempt at but in many ways insufficient regulation over those actions, but ultimately I think the problem is still that there is a clear and distinct hierarchy due to rank disparities and guild development. I don't know what a good solution is to this problem, but I think due to the lack of event or storyline development, people are simply tucking off into their corners of Elanthia so they can script out more ranks. Consent is so hazy perhaps in part because of how awful some people seem to behave, how frequent metagaming factors into conflict, whiiiiiiiiiiich may be, possibly due to the aforementioned rank disparities."
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5353I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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5361Lyneya says, "Thank you, we love the wall of text."
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5367Lyneya nods to Jhien.
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5379Jhien says, "I tried to insert periods where appropriate even."
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5384Your mind hears Jadetiger thinking, "I died guys early on and was starting to rot so I departed"
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5387Lyneya laughs!
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5437Lyneya says, "We're not going to be able to do much about the rank disparity. Not easily anyways. Some people have been playing here for 20 years, myself included."
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5449Jhien asks, "So, I don't really have a good solution, but I think if dev maybe focused on storylines and RP more, people may be more inclined to participate instead of grind in corners of the lands. I don't know how to close the metagaming gap or the rank disparity. Maybe a PvP arena which sets ranks based on something?"
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5459Lyneya nods at Jhien, obviously agreeing with his views.
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5462I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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5475Your mind hears Janaetta thinking, "{faintly}" "Or mean as much as it used too...."
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5483Lyneya says, "Yes, I agree that a focus on World Events, as we call them, would help."
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5514Lyneya asks, "Thank you for the different perspective. Do you have anything else to add?"
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5526Jhien says, "Nope, thanks for letting me speak."
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5532Jhien nods.
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5534Navesi is next.
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5544Lyneya nods politely to Navesi.
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5548Navesi nods.
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5550Lyneya says, "Hello."
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5557Navesi says, "Hello all."
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5568Navesi says, "I'm going to summarize the problems I listed earlier to make it easier to follow my suggestions. The problems I see again are: 1. Griefing, 2. Disrupting without Consequences, 3. Gangs, and 4. Random attacking of those who want RPed conflict. I'll also add Complexity on there as I thought that was a good one."
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5580Navesi says, "The main issue I see with fixing PVP is that some of the problems I listed seem like they should be addressed in opposite ways. For example, one solution to Griefing would be to make PVP death meaningless. But that would allows the Disruptors to continue to insult/annoy without any consequences."
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5583I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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5604Navesi says, "I'm inclined to make PVP death less punitive to address Griefing, and address Disruptors another way. My suggestion would be to prevent PVP death entirely, as with the challenge mechanics, unless both parties have officially consented to a fight to the death by using a verb."
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5621Navesi says, "As for Disruptors, I'd still want to allow people to address them, and I would suggest doing that with warnings (both verbal and using game verbs) that would lead to the victim's ability to attack the Disruptor and potentially even cause death."
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5638Navesi says, "Preventing death unless it is consented (with a verb) in game would take a lot of the teeth out of gangs as well."
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5650Navesi says, "The main issue here would be complexity, so the new system would have to be presented very clearly and be very easy to use. I think it would be possible though, especially with more education and links in the CM, and with the Mentors. It would also help if all info were consolidated in one place with simple examples."
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5673Navesi says, "It should be clear when consent is granted. A message should pop up whenever a consent verb is used, or a RP verb that disrupts someone else. Clarity is helpful."
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5683Navesi says, "Finally, even if my idea isn't implemented I think that the Gangs issue should be considered. Right now, anyone who is locked Open is now open to potentially dozens of attacks, which seems more punitive to me than it needs to be."
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5686I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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5699Navesi nods.
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5701Navesi says, "Done."
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5709This is not an appropriate place for that.
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5717Persida exclaims, "Thanks for adding your piece!"
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5734Gander is next.
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5809Gander says, "20 year player here. My qualm is staff involvement, reporting, report baiting, getting reported, etc. I've never played any other game where i've ever had to interact with staff so much. I haven't had a warning since the 90s, but I've had dozens (hundreds?) of conversations with staff. I'll throw the obligatory 'you guys are great' but neither of us want to talk to eachother at the end of the day. So, my idea is Pvp OPEN and PVP closed. Amend existing first strike mechanisms you have behind the scene (for logging) to act as triggers for pvp CLOSED characters to be changed to pvp OPEN."
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5812Gander says, "Field consults about people calling in other characters - which would also trigger a closed to PVP OPEN automatically for involving themselves in pvp. Ideally, this is minimally resource consuming for staff by using existing mechanics and code, and reduces staff resources for consults. Further, this removes much of the grey area, and should ease a lot of the problems. A PVP stance should be difficult to change and long intervals between swaps to discourage line-hopping. Further, create an outlet for evil groups to be created, and war against other groups."
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5814Gander says, "Encourage groups so that lesser players could theoretically join such an organization and gain protection. Create a competitive environment for those who wanted to take place. Stop letting organizations exist, such as Theren Guard that are acting as a guard of some sort for an area but won't/can't actively fight to guard it. Make organization creation much less cumbersome overall. Encourage more group play and community building. Player organizations require much less staff development as well, and storylines are created and can play out amongst the players."
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5906Persida leans on Gander.
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5909Persida asks, "Was that all?"
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5918Gander says, "Oh, yeah done."
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5931This is not an appropriate place for that.
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5949Persida exclaims, "Thank you for all of that!"
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5984Padhg says, "I think others have already addressed other points so I will try to be concise."
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5995Padhg says, "Like most here I've been a few conflicts. Some were me reacting, some were others trying to game a system. I think the rules for consent have ambiguity, and this ambiguity is responsible for a lot of unnecessary conflict."
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6021This is not an appropriate place for that.
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6023Padhg asks, "I do think that having POLICY behind NEWS is also confusing, which contributes to confusion and abuse. My request is that perhaps the terms of consent could be clarified and combined into one place?"
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6035Persida nods.
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6042Padhg says, "That is all."
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6056Persida says, "I can see that being an issue for some folks."
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6067Persida says, "Thank you for bringing that up."
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6072Padhg says, "For those newer, especially."
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6079Lyneya says, "Goes back to the complexity issue though."
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6091Sendithu says, "So basically two points. One, about the open/closed/guarded: I think people should only be able to see via profile up to the level of openness they are. If you're closed, everyone looks closed. If you're guarded, everyone looks guarded at most, and closed if they're actually closed. If you're open, you see it all. I think that might cut back on a smidge of the people hiding behind closed and trying to bait others."
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6108Sendithu says, "As a sidenote to that, people need to understand that by being pvp closed, they need to not talk back, instigate, and generally let their ego get in the way. It's okay to walk away from conflict! Really."
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6121Sendithu says, "Two, there needs to be some sort of something put into place for people creating false reports. I myself have had groups of people reporting me and accusing me of harassment, including claiming that I play several characters who are engaged in a course of behavior, all to get me in trouble because they didn't like what I was doing. I'm not the only one this happens to, either. I'm not saying boom, one false report, banhammer, but if it's a pattern of behavior with certain people, it's something that should be looked at."
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6232Persida says, "We've tended to be really lenient on folks who blatantly waste GM time, but you have a point there. There gets to be a spot where they're also wasting other players' time as well."
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6241Sendithu nods to Persida.
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6258Persida says, "Not that GM time isn't valuable, but it does end up going beyond that."
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6260Lyneya nods at Persida, obviously agreeing with her views.
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6276Sendithu says, "It's time that could be spent on much more fun things."
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6278Persida says, "At least some of the time."
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6289Persida exclaims, "Don't I know it!"
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6296The audience is hushed now, seated and paying attention only to those on the stage. No one fidgets, no coughs break the silence. Even the door of the room seems quiet as you tiptoe to your seat.
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6298Lyneya asks, "Thank you for those thoughts. Do you have anyting to add?"
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6305Sendithu says, "Nope, I'm good."
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6314Isharon is next.
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6322Lyneya nods politely to Isharon.
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6327This is not an appropriate place for that.
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6336Isharon says, "Wall of text coming."
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6342Isharon says, "PvP policy --and the PvP climate -- are what they are because some our players, despite being old enough to have children and mortgages, are mental adolescents. On the one hand, you have players who want to grief people for the lulz, and on the other, players who want to be immune from the consequences of their characters' actions."
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6349Lyneya says, "Yay."
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6365Isharon says, "I dislike the idea of simply removing guarded (or locking everyone open on first strike), at least with PvP open meaning what it currently means, because there should be some middle ground between no PvP with anyone ever and PvP with anyone at all times, including all of that person's friends/alts. If I have a grievance with Bob -- if Bob steals from me, for example -- I should be able to engage Bob and not all of Bob's friends."
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6385Isharon says, "I get that people are wary of engaging in PvP with someone who is closed/guarded (even where consent or provocation seems clear), but the players who are making groundless reports are the ones who should be punished. Under our current system, there is no reason not to report someone, because you have a chance of getting the other player in trouble with no consequences for you if you make false reports."
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6402This is not an appropriate place for that.
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6412Isharon says, "Therefore, I propose a 'loser gets the warning' system. If you report PvP that you initiated, provoked, or otherwise escalated, YOU get the warning. This would discourage frivolous reporting and all of the nonsense that goes with that. It would also have the benefit of reducing the amount of GM time wasted on PvP consults."
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6433Isharon says, "I would also not be opposed to an 'open vs. open' only option or a mirror stance such the one Sendithu mentioned. It doesn't necessarily have to be implemented mechanically so long as it's enforced. However, that would still not discourage abuse among closed and guarded players, and I'm not sure how much of a deterrent effect that would have if the players who stand to benefit most from it are the ones who think that reporting is always a sign of weakness."
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6437Isharon says, "Done."
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6439Isharon nods.
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6460Lyneya says, "Thank you, interesting idea. Dunno whether I'm a fan or not."
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6481Lyneya asks, "I'd fear that people think they can't report because what if they're wrong?"
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6501Lyneya says, "Sometimes people genuinely believe they're in the right, when they aren't."
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6508Isharon asks, "Would that not make them think more about how they play the game, if they really don't want PvP?"
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6512Persida says, "People really do report a lot that never, ever gets to the other party."
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6519Lyneya nods to Persida.
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6527Isharon asks, "But what about when it is clear that one party is in the wrong?"
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6551Persida says, "That's generally when it never gets to the other party."
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6561Isharon says, "Nothing deters that person from reporting right now. I think that's not ideal."
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6579Lyneya says, "Thank you for your thoughts."
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6581Lyneya nods to Isharon.
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6589Lyneya asks, "Anything else?"
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6599Isharon shakes her head.
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6601Azettie is next.
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6609Lyneya nods politely to Azettie.
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6641Azettie says, "People are not willing to rp pvp or get in on something because they are afraid to die unless they get a prize. My characters are not big just have big mouths. I mean most people will stick their hands in a box to get smashed or push a button to get poisoned as long as they get something."
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6656Azettie says, "And like I said earlier I try to get some rp going and just have fun and the first thing that came out of someones mouth was oh you should report such and such cause you are closed. And that is only because I am lazy. But that will change right away."
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6676Azettie says, "I am done."
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6679Lyneya nods to Azettie.
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6713Lyneya says, "I absolutely agree that the culture of the game right now is heading down the wrong path. People tend to report before trying to deal with anything themselves."
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6719Persida says, "People do seem to be increasingly avoidant of death. That's something we're trying to address, too."
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6743This is not an appropriate place for that.
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6761Lyneya exclaims, "Proxy!"
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6768Your mind hears Bubbzr thinking, "yo pop"
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6771Naohhi says, "As mentioned, I am a proxy. I have two proxied questions."
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6780Naohhi asks, "From Brachius on twitch stream: Is a PvP Arena something that would be considered?"
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6789Lyneya says, "We have a PVP arena."
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6798Lyneya says, "There are games there every Monday night."
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6802Persida exclaims, "Wyvern arena!"
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6858Naohhi says, "Brachius means a pvp arena that gives everyone the same skills/stats like hunger games style, but automated."
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6884Lyneya asks, "Doesn't the barbarian arena do that?"
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6904Persida says to Lyneya, "Not really, no."
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6911Naohhi says, "I believe that arena disallows magic and doesn't equalize."
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6920Lyneya nods.
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6922Persida nods to Naohhi.
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6931Persida says, "Yup, that."
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6937Mhisra adds her name to the questions list.
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6943Lyneya says, "It is something we can consider, but unlikely any time soon due to lack of coding resources and much higher priority projects."
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6953Naohhi says, "Brachius stated he did not know what the Barbarian arena is."
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6959I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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6964Naohhi nods.
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6985Byd pulls off some insulated gloves from his hands.
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6987Naohhi says, "Brachius is done."
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6994Naohhi says, "'From Caledric on twitch stream: Could you guys list out exactly which shops and games will have Open PvP this year? Shop by Shop... also a shop by shop list of ones that won't hehe."
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7000I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7010Persida says, "After Miss Proxy here finishes up, I have something I want to get input on."
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7021Lyneya says, "Right this minute? No."
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7033I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7048Persida says, "The death games will still kill people."
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7054Persida nods.
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7070I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7075Persida says, "The not-death games won't."
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7090Naohhi chortles softly at some secret joke.
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7100Naohhi says, "Caledric says: I wasn't actually expecting the question to be asked since it was just a sly attempt to get a shop list hehe, so no."
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7106I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7124Naohhi says, "There are no other proxy questions at this time, which means I am done."
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7140I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7148Lyneya says, "I actually have the shop list open in a notepad on my desktop right now. Just need to format the text for the forums. Maybe tomorrow."
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7167Lyneya says, "Maybe not though, depends on how late you all keep me up and how much rum you make me drink."
7168s>
7169Navesi is next.
7170
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7176I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7180s>
7181Lyneya nods politely to Navesi.
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7185s>
7186Navesi says, "I just wanted to add about the avoidance of death. One factor that may have added to this is the usefulness of scrolls nowadays. If you aren't able to be raised, you lose your scrolls, and these can sometimes be pretty rare or expensive. Just something to consider."
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7195Persida bites Lyneya!
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7206Persida says, "It was my turn."
7207s>
7208Lyneya says to Persida, "Jealousy does not become you."
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7215Navesi says to Persida, "Sorry."
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7220I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7225Lyneya says, "Oh, sorry, I thought you wanted my rum."
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7231Navesi says, "I'm done."
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7242Persida says, "Oh don't be silly, go ahead."
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7252Persida nods to Navesi.
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7258I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7263Navesi says, "That really was it."
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7280Persida chuckles.
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7290Persida exclaims, "Okay!"
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7296I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7326I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7329Persida says, "And I agree that's a big reason people avoid death."
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7338Navesi nods.
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7340Lyneya nods.
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7355s> l list
7356The audience is hushed now, seated and paying attention only to those on the stage. No one fidgets, no coughs break the silence. Even the door of the room seems quiet as you tiptoe to your seat.
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7367I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7396I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7404Persida says, "Okay, so I'm going to ask my question, and if you have a response to it, please join the list."
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7413Gander adds his name to the questions list.
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7433I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7454Persida says, "So, I want to talk about PVP Open. My stance is that a lot of people who set themselves PVP Open don't actually WANT to be PVP Open by the current definition."
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7467I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7487Byd wandered into a door.
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7498Persida says, "But I feel like there are two reasons that they do it anyway, then end up pretty unhappy overall."
7499s>
7500Your mind hears Larienna thinking, "Etherian Wheere did ya go?"
7501
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7507I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7518Your mind hears Larienna thinking, "I got your banshee"
7519
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7528Persida says, "1) They feel pressure to be PVP Open or they'll be seen as reporters by the community."
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7538Jhien adds his name to the questions list.
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7544I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
7545
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7550s> join list
7551
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7553You leave the list you were on and and add your name to the questions list.
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7567Persida says, "2) They want to RP conflicts naturally, and feel Guarded doesn't really quite meet their needs."
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7581I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7592Persida says, "Yet they have no real love for constant 24/7 being jumped for no reason at all."
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7613I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7634Persida asks, "Am I off base here, or do you think I'm onto something? If you see this as a problem, what would you suggest be done to address it?"
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7643Mhisra is next.
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7650I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7655Navesi adds her name to the questions list.
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7662Sendithu adds her name to the questions list.
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7671Isharon adds her name to the questions list.
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7682Persida asks Mhisra, "Did you have something you wanted to say on this, or do you want to wait until we go back to the regular list?"
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7686s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
7687
7688I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7698Mhisra says, "I have a part I'd like to add."
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7705Persida says, "You can do both, though, if you like."
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7711Mhisra says, "But not on this topic."
7712s>
7713Persida lets out a hearty cheer for Mhisra!
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7725Mhisra says, "So I'll come back to the regular list."
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7730
7731I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7741Persida says, "Sure thing."
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7743Lasika is next.
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7754s> [Trigger]: profile Croflux
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7756This is not an appropriate place for that.
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7764Lasika says, "I would like to see more roleplaying in PVP, like Azettie said (though she may disagree with my interpretation of it). Right now I get the distinct impression the two are at odds with each other. OPEN is very punishing, in the whole "any place, any time" aspect of it. It allows smaller people to get steamrolled by anyone, with no recourse. This happened to me, and I wouldn't have minded so much if there was just a reason, any reason, for them to target me."
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7770I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7778Lasika says, "Navesi's idea of changing CHALLENGE would help address that, I think. First strike having to have consent, even from people who are OPEN. I should be allowed, if I did not instigate something and have been minding my own business, to decline an attack from someone a hundred circles higher than me, just because they wanted to have an easy kill."
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7787Lasika says, "I don't want to lose GUARDED, as it stands now. I don't want to be forced into CLOSED because I don't agree with getting beheaded at any moment, for any reason. I want interaction, and reasonable consequences. I want to be able to punch someone who insults me, instead of turning the other cheek, without being drawn into a conflict beyond the person who insulted me. I want to be able to rifle in someone's pocket without having to worry about a gang of HLCs bearing down on me because they checked my profile that day."
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7796Your mind hears Ormildr thinking, "where do these cloud eels come from?"
7797
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7801Lasika says, "In regards to player stealing specifically, the ability to do that without changing their numbers would be awesome. To create conflict with them without actually hurting their bank. Otherwise, if Stealing is a PVP attack, it should be limited to people who consent to PVP attacks."
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7808Lasika says, "Lastly, additional messaging when being gwethsmashed. I see on twitter the reasons behind a lot of smashings, and I have come to agree with them, but I also see from the other perspective: the person has no idea why that happened. They don't get they were being OOC or using acronyms or emotes. Give a little message suggesting "Hey, if you got smashed and you can't think of a reason for it, consider these possibilities before reporting, also, don't report because its not allowed for gwethsmashes"? Cut down on a lot of reports and assists that way, I'd think."
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7814I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7822Lasika exclaims, "And that's all!"
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7833Lyneya grins.
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7844Lyneya says, "Thank you for wall of text. We like that."
7845s>
7846Lyneya nods.
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7848Lasika shifts uncomfortably for a moment.
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7852s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
7853
7854I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7859Persida says, "That's a lot of stuff! Some of it in relation to my question."
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7866Lasika nods to Persida.
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7873Persida exclaims, "Thank you for that!"
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7880Lasika says, "I started writing that before you brought it up."
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7894I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7911Your mind hears Alymast thinking, "where are they at?"
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7915Your mind hears Ormildr thinking, "warrior mages' guild"
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7929I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7940Persida asks, "Do you have anything else you want to add on my question before I move on?"
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7951Lasika says, "Ummm..."
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7965I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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7980Lasika says, "Somewhat, kind of, but I can't articulate it fast enough, so moving on is fine."
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7989Persida exclaims, "You can always rejoin!"
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7995Lasika nods to Persida.
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8009Persida says, "Thank you again."
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8016Gander says, "I agree, people go pvp open and don't realize the consequences of such a change, even with the lengthy and verbose mechanics that explain what's going on to you. Your assessment in 1) is generally correct, but also that death means absolutely nothing these days (compared to years past) and pvp OPEN is not something to be feared and i think 'pressure' is less of the point. Randomized kills are few and far between."
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8018Gander says, "I don't know how to make people lighten up about dying though, without making it even LESS penalizing than it has been made over the last few years."
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8030Gander says, "I don't believe 2) exists at all, in my circle at least. I agree that many people who are open don't seem to want to be as 'open' as it makes them. I think the biggest issue is there is no way to effectively 'win' in any way, so things tend to last way too long and simply becomes an ego-trip back and forth."
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8032Gander says, "That is the end of my comment and response."
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8079Persida exclaims, "Thanks!"
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8088Jhien is next.
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8091Jhien says, "I also don't want to lose guarded, but I do want to see a policy revision to better address what guarded should represent. Maybe some sort of automated logging of all pvp, though i'm not sure how to pick up what leads into that conflict. Furthermore, and maybe unwisely for me to bring up, I think it may be worth revisiting Necromancer consent/policy, because I see nothing but a binary between people who think it's best to either blow up public spaces with USOL and zombies, or people who generally stay in the wildneress and avoid all conflict. Again, no real suggestions, just my perspective."
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8130Samsaren adds his name to the questions list.
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8136Jhien says, "I've been pretty appalled at th ebehavior of a lot of players in thsi game, but i think it'd be a shame to let them dictate the fun that gets had between a lot of the other players."
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8140Your mind hears Mordicum thinking, "can i get a trader to come sell my gem pouch "
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8149Your mind hears Deixar thinking, "on my way"
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8155Jhien says, "And i'm not sure what sort of reasonable balance could be struck there. That's all."
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8165Your mind hears Mordicum thinking, "thank you deixar"
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8170Chieftain Buuwl wandered into a door.
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8189Persida says, "Never unwise to bring things up. Team Necro has been, and still is pretty unhappy about how a lot of stuff has shaken out. We're working on Stuff to addressing things, but by all means, input away too."
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8228Persida says, "And yeah, reasonable balance is the sticky spot."
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8239Persida exclaims, "Thank you for your comments!"
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8244Keroo is next.
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8256Lyneya nods to Azettie.
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8265s> say I remain pvp closed because i do not want to be jumped at any moment expecially after i spent an hour or two grind out exp just to lose it cause some person wants to get there jollies off, but i also notice by large the community holds people who are pvp closed and guaded with disdan because they treat them as whiners and generally weak people, now this may be because of the grifers who are closed and guarded which set in the stigma of if your not pvp open your trash
8266You say, "I remain pvp closed because i do not want to be jumped at any moment expecially after i spent an hour or two grind out exp just to lose it cause some person wants to get there jollies off, but i also notice by large the community holds people who are pvp closed and guaded with disdan because they treat them as whiners and generally weak people, now this may be because of the grifers who are closed and guarded which set in the stigma of if your not pvp open your trash."
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8272s> say so yes in general i feel and have noticed there is a stigma aginst people who are not pvp open which makes you feel like your bullied into being open even when you dont want to or people will look down on you. The only possibly fix i see if a stricter policy with little to no grey areas for abuse so the stances acuattly act as there intended.
8273You say, "So yes in general i feel and have noticed there is a stigma aginst people who are not pvp open which makes you feel like your bullied into being open even when you dont want to or people will look down on you. The only possibly fix i see if a stricter policy with little to no grey areas for abuse so the stances acuattly act as there intended."
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8278You say, "Thats it."
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8314Persida says, "Thank you, Keroo."
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8322Navesi is next.
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8325This is not an appropriate place for that.
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8334Navesi says, "Hi again."
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8341Navesi says, "More text incoming."
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8343Persida exclaims, "Hi!"
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8354Navesi says, "To give you a little bit of history about me, I was Open with Navesi for several years, almost since the beginning with her, only taking a break from it a few days ago. For me it was a little bit of Persida's #1, a large part #2, and a moderate part actually enjoying being open to conflict from anyone. I do actually like that part, it just can sometimes come at the wrong time or cause me to lose a nice scroll, and for those reasons Open isn't perfect for me."
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8356Persida says, "We eat alll the text."
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8363s> [Trigger]: profile Zalan
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8365This is not an appropriate place for that.
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8371I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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8378Navesi says, "Part of the reason I suggested PVP death be less punitive, or at least with more control over whether you actually die, is so that I could choose in any instance what level of participation I want to have."
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8389Navesi says, "Another option would be a few more protections against losing scrolls or being unraisable. I really would find death much more fun that way."
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8396Reverent Gabellia wandered into a door.
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8403Navesi says, "And for the record I don't look down on anyone who is Closed or Guarded. Play the game how you want to play it."
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8413Navesi nods.
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8440Persida says, "Specifically changing PVP death has been something I'm personally interested in. That's not me saying it's going to happen, just my personal leanings."
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8448Navesi nods.
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8465I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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8479Persida says, "But it's something that for me, at least, is an area I feel we're lacking."
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8486Persida exclaims, "Thank you for your comments. Again!"
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8492I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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8500Navesi says, "I agree. I feel like there has to be a happy medium where we can all be happy."
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8508Navesi exclaims, "Thank you for having us!"
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8513Your mind hears Deixar thinking, "thank you Mordicum"
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8521Persida says, "I think at least something close to a medium exists."
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8537Persida says, "Outliers will be outliers, but yanno."
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8541Sendithu is next.
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8546Sendithu says, "Oh hi, me again."
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8549Sendithu says, "Speaking on behalf of myself and my esteemed colleague Caidie, we do warn people sometimes about gweth things before we smash them for it, some people just don't learn. As far as the 24/7 jumping thing, does anybody REALLY want to be attacked all the time forever? Even the most fast trigger finger, fight anyone all the time for any reason people blow a gasket if they get attacked while hunting, or lose to a girl, or whatever rule is in their head. A lot of it -is- self policed, too, and a lot of us will step in if asked if a person is getting picked on needlessly. The problem to me is that people think they're right all the time and won't check their ego long enough to see that what they're doing is actually provoking someone else."
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8553Persida exclaims, "Hi to you again, too!"
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8571Your mind hears Mordicum thinking, "welcome welcome"
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8583Treasure Seeker Embrace wandered into a door.
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8603Mhisra adds her name to the questions list.
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8622Persida says, "I tend to agree that almost nobody *really* is up for 24/7 nonstop PVP in DR."
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8626Sendithu says, "But I also think it's funny that people have no problem dying in invasions, but if another character kills them, it's a huge deal. Ego, again, I think."
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8648Persida says, "Oh trust me, there are people who have plenty of problem with dying in invasions, too."
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8654Your mind hears Ldeek thinking, "any traders on duty for a bag at the gem shop?"
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8660Sendithu says, "Hah, I bet."
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8664Lyneya says, "I witnessed someone report a GMPC for unconsented PVP. No lie."
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8666Persida says, "You don't get to see my emails, etc."
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8683Sendithu says, "Totally believe it. I put nothing past people anymore."
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8685Your mind hears Khalishiva thinking, "Will a cleric kindly come to the empath guild for a couple bodies?"
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8693Your mind hears Azante thinking, "On my way."
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8699Persida says, "Eh, I'd drop the anymore."
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8705Lyneya says, "It was .. years and years ago. The GMPC was Grishnok."
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8719Sendithu says, "He was gross and deserved the lockout."
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8726Lyneya nods at Sendithu, obviously agreeing with her views.
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8728Persida says, "It's just a fact of life. No matter what it is, there's always someone."
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8757Persida says, "But that's what I meant by outliers before, and that's honestly who I think our current PVP Open definition appeals to -- only pretty extreme outliers."
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8763I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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8774Persida says, "Most people have limits, or like you said, their own internal rules."
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8781Sendithu says, "But seriously even the gwethsmashing, and I hate to keep circling back. I feel like when I warn people via rings or whatever, they tend to double down on whatever they're doing, whether it's emotes or OOC talk or whatnot just to be like screw you you don't control me...okies, smash it is."
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8783Naohhi adds her name to the questions list.
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8797Persida says, "Some more than others, some that they only apply to others and not themselves."
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8821Persida exclaims, "Thank you for all of your input!"
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8824Sendithu exclaims, "Of course!"
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8828Isharon is next.
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8835Isharon says, "I was PvP open for a long time for reason #2 (a gesture of goodwill toward my fellow role-players), and I eventually ended up switching back to guarded after being randomly ganked (while mapping a new area) by someone who admitted he was just bored and who refused to role-play with me about it."
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8848Isharon says, "RP-less PvP is unsatisfying for me whether I win or lose. Death is less punitive than it once was, but it's still a nuisance that, at the very least, involves lost time (replacing experience and favors and/or waiting for a raise), and I want what leads up to death to be 'worth' the price of admission. So guarded is the best option for me right now, even though it has the downside of constraining legitimate RP at times."
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8853Your mind hears Tyx thinking, "anyone know how much the serrated khopish go for"
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8863Isharon says, "(Similarly, I am not really interested in engaging with all of a person's alts and friends when my character's grievance is really just with one particular person.)."
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8873Isharon says, "I don't know that there's a mechanical or policy fix to this problem that would improve the quality of experience for the 'RP open' players. But it's worth acknowledging the existence of the problem before saying you have to be open (as it currently means) to engage in any PvP."
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8880Isharon says, "Done."
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8927Persida asks, "Do you think you'd feel the same if you didn't lose any exp, or scrolls, or items, and could just depart without any consequence from a PVP death other than walking back to where you were?"
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8979Isharon says to Persida, "The less time I lost, the less annoyed I would be when someone with no interest in role-playing just got bored and checked profiles."
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8997Isharon says to Persida, "But I also get that death needs to have some teeth. It is already not taken seriously, and this is bleeding into the IC scene as well."
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9008Persida says, "Thank you for your input."
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9020Samsaren nods.
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9035Your mind hears Areko thinking, "Thank you to everyone who came to the event, there will definitely be more to the story of the Farmer, The Father & The Warrior"
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9039Samsaren says, "The thing I'm finding interesting from this discussion is it helps, to me, highlight exactly why I think Guarded needs to go, and policy cleared up. The Pro Guarded folks seem to be championing the idea, to me, of "I'm game, what it's approprate". However, there's no honest difference between that, and closed, once the person behind the keyboard gets involved. It just becomes another grey area."
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9043Samsaren says, "Speaking from the POV as someone who's open, and yes, -I- am a high circle Paladin, my open alts are hilariously NOT high circle, and this includes a higher level necromancer, coming into a conflict as an OPEN person you HAVE to treat Closed and Guarded as exactly the same. To do otherwise is to court disaster."
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9047Samsaren says, "Perhaps a middle ground here is to make a slightly broader usage of challenge. If the folks who are currently rockin' Guarded are in a situation where throwing down feels like the RP correct thing to do, being able to slap someone with the perverbial gauntlet and go to town (logged mechanical for GMs for down the road) might be the better answer for those folks there."
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9053Samsaren says, "A final note on the topic of well, "street-cred" about profile stances. WHO CARES? If YOU, the person reading this, feels some kinda way about what noise someone else is talking about a stance, take a deep breath. That goes for OPEN, CLOSED, or GUARDED. There's no special prize for being open, there's no loss for being closed, except what you take from it yourself. I'm Personally OPEN, because I feel like if I want to throw down when it's time for such, I need to be willing to take the punch too, not REQUIRE the other guy to get hit first. Do ganks suck? All day. But we're talking about policy from the good of the game point of view, not the ninnies (on both sides) that we all know bring it all down."
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9149Persida exclaims, "Thank you for all of that!"
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9152Samsaren says, "I may have had a little time to prepare that.."
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9155Samsaren whistles a merry tune.
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9163Persida says, "Maybe juuuust a little."
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9170Persida asks, "Do you want to add anything else before I move on?"
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9183Samsaren says, "Not unless there's questions about any of those points."
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9194Persida says, "Nah, I think I'm picking up what you're putting down."
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9211Azettie says, "If you have to be open because you are worried about being seen as a reporter than you more than likely have done it. I do however think that if you gweth you should be forced into a pvp able stance."
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9223Azettie says, "Play the game or don't. No matter what rules you set forth people will abuse them or cry about them."
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9239Azettie says, "It is will never happen in a world where pvp even when people are not wanting it that someone is not gonna get there feelings hurt."
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9260Azettie says, "All finished."
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9274Persida exclaims, "Thank you!"
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9283Mhisra says, "Other issues with managing the PvP aside, I feel like the current system offers a lot and provides a fun way to participate in PvP. However, the single biggest factor that prevents me from wanting to join in on PvP is the way it opens you up to grave robbing. When you can lose items that cannot be replaced, there's no reward worth that risk. Sure you could put those items away in the vault, but your PvP stint may have opened up consent that could last who knows how long, forcing you to keep those things vaulted. With no grave robbing, you'd be able to freely participate in a PvP system where the only downside is PvP happening (death), which seems good to me."
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9296Mhisra says, "Done."
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9311This is not an appropriate place for that.
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9343Persida says, "Yeah, item loss is a big area we're working on. Totally feel you there."
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9345Persida says, "Thank you."
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9354Lasika says, "I quote: Persida says, "1) They feel pressure to be PVP Open or they'll be seen as reporters by the community."
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9362Lasika says, "There is a problem with this, in quite a few players. I know one, lets call them Bob, that has gone Guarded, and rumours through the grapevine came through to Bob that the people who drove them to that decision were proud of themselves for it - that they had actually focused on Bob to achieve this outcome. It can be a big self-esteem blow when it goes all OOC like that, when its not your character's ego, but your own on the line. But when you've got jobs and school, losing a few hours' grinding *is* a big deal, and no one should be made to feel less than they are because they value their time over the image of being able to shrug off anything."
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9367Lasika says, "Apart from that, I'd like to bring up the Necromancer thing again. If there's a strict, black-and-white, closed-or-open change, wouldn't that kind of muck up the RP of necromancers? You'd have closed people who can't engage in any way, without being drawn into conflict bigger than they can handle. If breaking CLOSED to initiate a bit of snark with a necromancer turns them OPEN to everything that entails, you'd effectively be making everyone A-OK with necromancy in all its forms when confronted with a necro player character."
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9373Lasika says, "That's all... for now."
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9404Persida says, "Decent point, that. Thank you for speaking up."
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9413Persida says, "Oh god, you again."
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9424Lyneya asks, "Who are you proxy for this time?"
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9434Naohhi asks, "'From Esmian on twitch stream: I guess my question would be should that threat by another player's whims and how much should they have to tolerate?"
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9436Persida bites Naohhi!
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9451Persida says, "I'm not sure I'm following."
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9459Persida asks, "Can they clarify?"
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9468Naohhi says, "Asking."
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9497Naohhi says, "Apparently he meant the comment for a twitch discussion, but to reference that.. I'm getting context, apologies."
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9549Naohhi says, "Tanthul85: People take dying too seriously. pendragonprice: I mean.. if you take all the "threat" out of the game nothing means anything."
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9557Naohhi says, "The threat in this conversation was referencing the consequences of death."
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9569Naohhi says, "Ie, how much of that should someone have to tolerate."
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9576Naohhi says, "Esmian: people were wondering where would the threat be in the game and I was asking how much of that threat should be "the guy across the keyboard just wants to kill me."
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9585Persida asks, "Ahh, so my comments about potentially removing penalties from PVP deaths?"
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9589Naohhi says, "Esmian: it was something about taking the threat out of pvp if we do things like lower death penalties."
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9606Naohhi nods to Persida.
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9616Naohhi says, "They were discussing the removal of penalities from pvp deaths pretty strongly."
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9621Persida says, "It's a valid feeling on it, to miss the threat level. I'm just not sure if I don't think we might see a lot more benefits from it than what's missed."
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9636Persida asks, "Was there anything else, Miss Proxy?"
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9640Persida leans on Naohhi.
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9643Naohhi says, "I was given a point to bring up on this one: The problem with that outlook is that as you grow up, your time becomes more valuable -- especially that commodity called free time. I have less tolerance for people who steal my free time than I did when I was 15."
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9657Lyneya nods to Naohhi.
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9659Naohhi says, "I also have another proxy question incoming, though it may be a comment. Waiting a moment."
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9679Naohhi says, "Following on Esmian topic. pendragonprice: Tell Persida that if you take all the hurt out of the game, the game will die. People don't want a utopia...thats why the matrix didn't work."
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9700Persida says, "As an old and grouchy person who actually liked PVP quite a bit back in her day -- up hill, both ways in the snow -- I totally get that too."
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9719Persida asks, "Was there more?"
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9726Naohhi says, "Not currently. Still waiting the other commenter."
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9736Naohhi says, "They were hitting a word limit."
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9738Naohhi chortles softly at some secret joke.
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9755Persida says, "Alrighty. I'm going to hand stuff back over to Lyneya, then."
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9759Naohhi says, "Terramotus: I don't know the answer to the current problems with our PvP situation, but I've seen a lot of talk here that basically amounts to "we have to make sure that lowbies who run their mouths are able to be suitably punished without being able to hide behind policy."
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9763Naohhi says, "I don't think that's the major issue confronting us, and I don't think it's healthy for DR to be a game where it's understood that you have to shut up and keep your head down unless you're a HLC. That serves only a small slice of the existing population, and does nothing to make the game more welcoming to new blood."
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9791I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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9799Persida says, "I can assure everyone that at least I have zero inclination to make anyone shut up and script in a corner until they're THIS TALL and can get on the ride."
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9808I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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9815Persida says, "It's more about making things work at all levels and all sides."
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9819Lyneya makes a hissing noise that doesn't really sound much like a S'Kra Mur.
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9821Persida leans on Lyneya.
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9825Lyneya nods to Persida.
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9828Gander adds his name to the questions list.
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9835Naohhi says, "I beleive I'm done as proxy for now."
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9838I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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9844Persida says, "Oh. She's not letting me off of the hook."
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9847Naohhi says, "Believe. SPELLING."
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9849A tear runs down Persida's face.
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9851Lyneya says, "You're so done."
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9854Lyneya nods to Naohhi.
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9858Keroo is next.
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9868I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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9871s> say Terramouts covered what i was going to say,
9872You say, "Terramouts covered what i was going to say,."
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9875You consider it for a moment, but the quiet and stillness of the area persuade you to stop and silently reflect instead.
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9886Persida asks, "Did you have anything you wanted to add to it?"
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9891I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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9921s> say not really, aside that letting bullies just bully you just ebcause yoru clsoed is not the right way to ahndle it
9922You say, "Not really, aside that letting bullies just bully you just ebcause yoru clsoed is not the right way to ahndle it."
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9928I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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9935Persida nods to you.
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9938Persida says, "Thank you for that."
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9940Benediction is next.
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9950I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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9955Benediction says, "Dragonrealms is a game and games are meant to be fun even if they are played by people with house payments and children of their own. If its not fun people will find ways to make it fun for themselves. Even if it means it isnt for everyone else."
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9970I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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9978Benediction says, "I don't think warning people who feel an experience with another player was handled incorrectly is the right answer, nor is smashing people into silence and gloating about it on a twitter feed. The game population is tiny, interactions should be encouraged and if a warning must be laid out it shouldnt irrevocably damage an account or make someone unwilling to participate in player run or GM events, the community does enough of that on its own."
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9988I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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9999Lyneya says, "I'm going to close the list, let these last people make their comments, unhush for open discussion for a few minutes, and then redirect the conversation. Just FYI."
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10001s> read list
10002Lyneya just closed the questions list.
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10004The questions list contains the following names:
10005
10006 (1) Azettie
10007 (2) Gander
10008
10009 Any number of people may sign up on the questions list while it's open.
10010 Players of any race and profession may join the list.
10011 You must be a subscriber to join the list.
10012 There is no charge to sign up on the questions list.
10013 The selection order is first-come, first-serve.
10014
10015 The questions list is closed.
10016 Leaving the game for more than a few minutes is NOT allowed.
10017 Leaving the room is allowed. You MUST be back by your turn.
10018You may only be on ONE list at a time. Joining another will remove you from the first.
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10028I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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10032Autaris wandered into a door.
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10036Persida nods to Benediction.
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10041Benediction asks, "If you have your pvp profile set to open and you didnt like an interaction with a player whats wrong with encouraging a player to simply talk to the other? Everyone here has played for 5 10 or 20 years?"
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10050I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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10055Persida says, "Not everyone, but many."
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10057Persida nods to Benediction.
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10059Benediction says, "I think a lot of good would come from a simple conversation, thats all."
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10065Lyneya nods at Benediction, obviously agreeing with his views.
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10067Persida says, "Often, yeah."
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10071Lyneya says, "This is true."
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10080I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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10087Lyneya says, "I'll repeat something I said in a consult earlier today:."
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10092Lyneya asks, "In my experience as a GM answering assists and helping players to sort these things out, many people sometimes make assumptions about how someone else is GOING to act based on "the awful thing they heard had happened to their friend's cousin's bonded spouses's maid" and they don't want that awful thing to happen to themselves. So they proactively overreact before bothering to communicate. It's understandable, it's human nature. In this environment though, it's often times premature. An OOC whisper goes a LONG WAY toward clearning up exactly these misunderstandings. When a WARN INTERACT or a REPORT is used instead, then the situation immediately becomes confrontational because the recipient wonders what the heck, why didn't the guy just SAY something?"
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10100I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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10103Lyneya says, "Hurt feelings on both sides can be avoided by simply TALKING to each other. Just try to keep that in mind going forward. Thank you all for working together here today to try and resolve things."
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10116Lyneya says, "It was an interesting consult."
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10118Lyneya leans on Naohhi.
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10124I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10125
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10127Your mind hears Gremtrak thinking, "STORM RIDER!!!! "
10128
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10135Naohhi says, "It was productive, stressful, hard, but ultimately, good."
10136s>
10137Lyneya nods in agreement.
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10144Persida says, "I was making stuff for HE, so I missed it."
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10147
10148Persida sniffles.
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10150I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10151
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10155Azettie is next.
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10163Azettie shakes her head.
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10166Azettie says, "You can go to the next."
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10170Azettie says, "I am finished."
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10172Gander is next.
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10179Gander says, "In response to "Terramotus: I don't know the answer to the current problems with our PvP situation, but I've seen a lot of talk here that basically amounts to "we have to make sure that lowbies who run their mouths are able to be suitably punished without being able to hide behind policy."
10180s>
10181Gander says, "I think it is almost appropriate that people have to 'watch who they talk to'. You don't walk into a biker bar and run your mouth to someone who looks like they'd kill you in real life without expecting consequences - why should you here? When I was young playing this game for the first time, my biggest memory is the 'big bad guys' that used to exist."
10182s>
10183Gander says, "People who had reputations in front of them, and you knew not to piss off. It gave me something to achieve, something to strive for. If it gets out of hand - address it, but beyond that - actions should have consequences. Period."
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10187I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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10195Gander says, "I think it is almost appropriate that people have to 'watch who they talk to'. You don't walk into a biker bar and run your mouth to someone who looks like they'd kill you in real life without expecting consequences - why should you here? When I was young playing this game for the first time, my biggest memory is the 'big bad guys' that used to exist."
10196s>
10197Gander says, "To add, I have house payments and all that jazz too - play the game or don't, commit or don't commit, but don't expect a lack of time and effort to be equalized with those that expend it."
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10201Gander says, "That's all for this one."
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10208I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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10213Lyneya says, "Thank you."
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10228I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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10233Lyneya says, "Ok, I'm going to unhush the room for a few minutes so that we can have some open discussion on the points and comments so far tonight."
10234s>
10235*** Lyneya is allowing everyone to speak now. ***
10236
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10241Azettie says to Gander, "I don't know you but I think I like you. So watch it I am coming for you."
10242s>
10243Lyneya says, "If anyone wants to, anyway."
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10247Lyneya grins at Azettie.
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10251Smavandree stretches his arms out and arches his back only to fall over and look up with a silly expression.
10252
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10256Gander nods to Azettie.
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10259
10260I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10261
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10265Persida says, "I'm not even a pumpkin anymore."
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10267s>
10268Tomakok asks, "So, why not a cooldown for Smashers then?"
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10274Azettie says, "They have them."
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10277Samsaren says, "It's got a massive one."
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10280Samsaren nods to Tomakok.
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10283s>
10284Tomakok asks, "How long?"
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10288Samsaren says, "12 hours."
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10291
10292I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10293
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10295s>
10296Tomakok asks, "12 hours is long?"
10297s>
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10299Tomakok asks, "Massive?"
10300s>
10301s>
10302Sendithu says, "24."
10303s>
10304s>
10305Gander asks, "How often do you mouth off on the gweth?"
10306s>
10307s>
10308Samsaren says, "Have you READ the gweths? 15 minutes is long."
10309s>
10310s>
10311Baegrim says, "Smashers shoulld only limt people's ability to think, not recieving outgoing thoughts."
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10319I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10320
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10322s>
10323Gander says, "Who even uses gweths anymore anyways."
10324s>
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10326Gander says, "A bunch of drivel."
10327s>
10328Tomakok says, "Yeah, but I see people treat it like their own bully area. "you follow my rules or get smashed."
10329s>
10330s>
10331Smavandree says, "I have a complaint about the GM who is acting as the proxy on my stream... about halfway through she took off her pants... The complaint is we couldn't see her."
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10334s>
10335Smavandree hums to himself.
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10337s>
10338Tomakok asks, "Who made them kin?"
10339s>
10340Sendithu says, "24 hour cooldown for the smasher, one hour cooldown for the person who used the smasher. Not that I know."
10341s>
10342Tomakok asks, "King?"
10343s>
10344Smavandree sits up.
10345
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10348Sendithu twiddles her thumbs.
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10358I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10359
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10372Naohhi says to Smavandree, "Joke is on you, I haven't had pants on the entire time."
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10374s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10375
10376I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10377
10378s>
10379Naohhi stick her hands into the pockets of her no pants. Weird. You can still see her hands.
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10382Tomakok says, "I've seen people simply not like the conversation and just smash people."
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10387s>
10388Tomakok exclaims, "Oh, but they've "warned" them!"
10389s>
10390Your mind hears Bertan thinking, "Anyone up for a game of darts and an ale?"
10391
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10394Tomakok snickers.
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10398Gander asks, "So?"
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10401Azettie says, "That is fear talking if you are afraid to get smashed don't use a gweth, and to that I mouth off on the gweth all the time. And I have favors."
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10403This is Persida when she becomes a pumpkin: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/Elisabeth83/rpump_0888-1.jpg
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10411I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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10418Tomakok says, "Seems like a lot of people here take out their RL "small man" complexes."
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10421Tomakok says, "Or woman."
10422s>
10423Tomakok shrugs.
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10427s>
10428Gander says, "Maybe people just dont like what you have to say."
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10432Azettie says, "We don't all rp heros."
10433s>
10434Tomakok exclaims, "My boss was mean to me! No more emotes or silly talk!"
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10437Gander says, "And a mechanism exists to correct that."
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10439I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10440
10441s>
10442Gander says, "And it is used."
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10446Tomakok says, "Good one Gander."
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10449Tomakok looks at Gander and applauds!
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10453Gander says, "Perhaps you should adjust your attitude or the dialogue that you engage in."
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10457Whyt says, "And if you have been smashed you have no recourse, it isn't reportable correct? seems to me like all the power lies with the smasher."
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10464Gander says, "Go kill them."
10465s>
10466Gander shrugs.
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10469s>
10470Whyt laughs!
10471s>
10472Azettie nods to Gander.
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10475
10476I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10477
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10479s>
10480Gander says, "Otherwise, you've been silenced."
10481s>
10482Tomakok says, "Yeah, that works."
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10485s>
10486Whyt says, "In ten years maybe."
10487s>
10488Whyt grins.
10489s>
10490s>
10491Samsaren says, "The smasher is locked open, go express your displeasure with a weapon, or hire someone to do so."
10492s>
10493s>
10494Smavandree says, "You do have recourse..."
10495s>
10496Tomakok says, "With all these ebay'd or 20 year old characters who have RL issues."
10497s>
10498Gander says, "Go get a new gweth if it means that much to you, and move along."
10499s>
10500s>
10501Samsaren says, "I hear Caidie takes contracts."
10502s>
10503Samsaren ducks his head.
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10506s>
10507Sendithu grins at Samsaren.
10508s>
10509Smavandree says, "Good luck with getting your recourse though."
10510s>
10511Smavandree glances at Sendithu.
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10517I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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10520s>
10521Sendithu waggles her fingers mystically at Smavandree. How nice.
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10527Lyneya says, "If you gwethsmash someone, you're locked OPEN for .. how long now? I forget."
10528s>
10529s>
10530Gander says, "I dont understand why everything is expected to be 'fair for everyone at all times'."
10531s>
10532Your mind hears Bertan thinking, "Hello"
10533
10534s>
10535Gander says, "This isnt a chat room."
10536s>
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10540Gander says, "Its a social environment."
10541s>
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10543s>
10544Lyneya says, "So there's recourse available. Find someone to go pay them back for you."
10545s>
10546Gander says, "Society isn't nice all the time."
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10551Padhg says, "Locked open 4 RL hours."
10552s>
10553I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10554
10555s>
10556Persida nods to Lyneya.
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10559s>
10560Samsaren says, "It's a good while if memory serves."
10561s>
10562Samsaren nods to Lyneya.
10563s>
10564Padhg asks, "I think it's the same as stealing?"
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10568s>
10569Azettie asks Gander, "Are you trying to make me fall in love with you?"
10570s>
10571Smavandree says, "4 hours is more than enough time."
10572s>
10573s>
10574Sendithu says, "I've gotten killed before for smashing people. I've gotten smashed for smashing people. It happens."
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10581Naohhi says, "I believe all pvp locks are 4 hours. There used to be a diff one but Ricinus set them all the same to stop confusion."
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10583s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10584
10585I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10586
10587s>
10588Gander snickers at Azettie.
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10590s>
10591Sendithu says, "Nobody in this game is untouchable."
10592s>
10593s>
10594Smavandree says, "Cause I know Sendi doesn't smash someone then run and hide."
10595s>
10596s>
10597Samsaren says, "You getting smashed actually lead to a rather fun RP thingy last go."
10598s>
10599Samsaren nods to Sendithu.
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10602s>
10603Gander says to Sendithu, "Absolutely true."
10604s>
10605s>
10606Sendithu grins at Samsaren.
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10609Persida says, "When I was a player, I used to smash people a lot. A LOT. I was killed for it, I was smashed for it, I got confronted and had great RP from it."
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10617s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10618
10619I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10620
10621s>
10622s>
10623s>
10624Sendithu says, "Sendi hides a lot as an occupational hazard."
10625s>
10626s>
10627s>
10628s>
10629Tomakok says, "Seems like a tool for people that have low self esteem."
10630s>
10631s>
10632s>
10633Gander says, "Seems like you're too sensitive on the subject."
10634s>
10635s>
10636s>
10637s>
10638s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10639
10640I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10641
10642s>
10643s>
10644s>
10645Tomakok smirks.
10646s>
10647s>
10648Tomakok says, "Possibly."
10649s>
10650s>
10651s>
10652s>
10653Persida says, "For me, it was a tool that my character used. Now whether my character had low self esteem remains up for debate."
10654s>
10655Tomakok says, "Quite possibly."
10656s>
10657Gander says, "Man up, figure out what you're doing that annoys people, and change it. Or continue and expect the same reactions, or similar and worse ones."
10658s>
10659s>
10660Samsaren says to Smavandree, "If it helps, I usually just smash from a hunting ground, come join me, ups the spawn."
10661s>
10662s>
10663s>
10664Lyneya says, "Ok. Let me turn this in another direction."
10665s>
10666s>
10667s>
10668s>
10669s>
10670s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10671
10672I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10673
10674s>
10675Tomakok says, "Having never been smashed, I can't say I know one way or the other."
10676s>
10677s>
10678s>
10679s>
10680Azettie says, "I got killed for rping I drew nasty pictures in the apostles books it is fun try it or go back and grind this is suppose to be an rp game."
10681s>
10682s>
10683Lyneya says, "Actually, keep chatting. I'll type it up so you don't have to wait quietly."
10684s>
10685Gander asks, "Then why the salt on the subject?"
10686s>
10687s>
10688Whyt says, "I see new returning players who are smashed, when maybe all they needed was a reminder on gweth ettiquete."
10689s>
10690Gander says, "It's such a nonissue."
10691s>
10692s>
10693Tomakok says, "But I've seen some stupid smashes, over petty childish things."
10694s>
10695Whyt shrugs.
10696s>
10697Samsaren says, "You're awful hot for never been smashed."
10698s>
10699s>
10700Samsaren nods to Tomakok.
10701s>
10702s>
10703s>
10704Gander says, "A smash is a great reminder."
10705s>
10706Tomakok says, "Yeah, but I saw someone bring it up."
10707s>
10708s>
10709s>
10710s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10711
10712I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10713
10714s>
10715s>
10716s>
10717Smavandree nods to Gander.
10718s>
10719Tomakok shrugs.
10720s>
10721s>
10722s>
10723s>
10724s>
10725Whyt says, "Those people don't have plat or contacts yet, seems discouraging when we need to be encouraging to keep our game alive."
10726s>
10727s>
10728s>
10729s>
10730Gander says, "As far as the hierarchy of things to be pissed about, a smash seems about the last thing."
10731s>
10732s>
10733s>
10734s>
10735s>
10736s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10737
10738I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10739
10740s>
10741s>
10742s>
10743Gander says, "Look, we all know you can walk around and say I HAVENO MONEY HELP ME."
10744s>
10745s>
10746Smavandree says, "I got smashed on my necro when I came back, I was like whoops... I'm not playing Guild wars anymore."
10747s>
10748Gander says, "And someone will throw some at you."
10749s>
10750s>
10751s>
10752s>
10753Sendithu says, "I ringed someone today to discuss their OOC on the gweths and they stopped. No smashing. Usually I ring them and they go crazy and double down on the crazy though."
10754s>
10755Naohhi picks up a bag of salt.
10756
10757s>
10758Naohhi puts on a bag of salt.
10759s>
10760s>
10761Benediction says, "Smashing ends communication, in many ways its worse than death."
10762s>
10763s>
10764s>
10765Samsaren snorts, loudly.
10766s>
10767s>
10768s>
10769s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10770
10771I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10772
10773s>
10774s>
10775Whyt nods to Benediction.
10776s>
10777s>
10778Sendithu grins at Naohhi.
10779s>
10780s>
10781s>
10782s>
10783s>
10784s>
10785Naohhi says, "It seemed appropriate."
10786s> asay say i like the bag of salt
10787Please rephrase that command.
10788s>
10789Isharon says, "On the issue of smashing for OOC: I used to try the softer approach (crystal ring, AIM, etc.) all the time. Not only did people not appreciate that sort of feedback, but more often than not, they became defensive and actually doubled down on the OOC behavior, repeating it and making passive-aggressive remarks about those who have a problem with it."
10790s>
10791s> say say i like the bag of salt
10792You say, "Say i like the bag of salt."
10793s>
10794s>
10795s>
10796Naohhi grins at you.
10797s>
10798s> nod nao
10799
10800s>
10801You nod to Naohhi.
10802s>
10803Samsaren points at Isharon.
10804s>
10805s>
10806s>
10807s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10808
10809I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10810
10811s>
10812Sendithu taps her nose.
10813s>
10814Samsaren taps his nose.
10815s>
10816s>
10817s>
10818Sendithu shoves futilely at Samsaren.
10819s>
10820s>
10821Samsaren chuckles.
10822s>
10823s>
10824Naohhi offers you a salty cookie. Enter ACCEPT to accept the offer or DECLINE to decline it. The offer will expire in 30 seconds.
10825s>
10826s>
10827Smavandree asks, "Can that salt be used for alchemy?"
10828s>
10829s>
10830s>
10831Sendithu says to Samsaren, "That's it, we're fighting."
10832s>
10833s>
10834Naohhi says, "Idk maybe."
10835s> acc
10836
10837You accept Naohhi's offer and are now holding a salty cookie.
10838s>
10839Samsaren looks at Sendithu and sighs.
10840s>
10841s>
10842s>
10843Isharon says, "But honestly, I wish players didn't feel like policing the gweths for OOC had been delegated to them. Let it be a purely IC tool."
10844s>
10845Sendithu says to Samsaren, "Gweth something so I can smash you."
10846s> say woo!
10847You exclaim, "Woo!"
10848s>
10849s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10850
10851I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10852
10853s>
10854Smavandree exclaims, "Oh how come he gets a cookie? You better have brought enough for everyone!"
10855s>
10856s> hug nao
10857
10858s>
10859You hug Naohhi who gives you a smile in return. A faint scent of rotting flesh clings to her fur.
10860s>
10861s>
10862Samsaren says to Sendithu, "That didn't end super well for me last go."
10863s>
10864s>
10865s>
10866Navesi nods to Isharon.
10867s>
10868Naohhi says to Smavandree, "I'm working on a gift for everyone here actually."
10869s>
10870s>
10871Sendithu grins at Samsaren.
10872s>
10873s>
10874Tomakok nods to Isharon.
10875s>
10876s>
10877s>
10878s>
10879s>
10880Gander says, "To be honest."
10881s>
10882Gander says, "Anyone ive ever smashed, ever."
10883s>
10884Gander says, "If they were 'open'."
10885s>
10886s>
10887s>
10888s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10889
10890I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10891
10892s>
10893s>
10894Gander says, "Id have just gone and silenced them another say."
10895s>
10896s>
10897s>
10898s>
10899s>
10900Benediction says, "It's funny how everyone comes together to share their opinion and each of us ends all the more certain our own is the right one."
10901s>
10902Gander says, "So telling me that smashing is worse than death, that doesnt sway me one way or the other."
10903s>
10904Benediction chuckles.
10905s>
10906s>
10907s>
10908s>
10909s> say dont wanna be smashed? then dont engage in banter
10910You say, "Dont wanna be smashed? then dont engage in banter."
10911s>
10912Tomakok exclaims to Gander, "How manly!"
10913s> shrug
10914You shrug.
10915s>
10916Naohhi says, "Btw: Stream watchers, you'll be able to score a gift as well. It'll be available in Crossing."
10917s>
10918Gander nods to Tomakok.
10919s>
10920s>
10921s>
10922Isharon says, "I guess it depends on what you enjoy most."
10923s>
10924s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10925
10926I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10927
10928s>
10929s>
10930Gander says, "My ego is uuuuuuuge."
10931s>
10932s>
10933Gander strikes a heroic pose.
10934s>
10935s>
10936s>
10937s>
10938Mhisra asks, "Is the gift a pvp death?"
10939s>
10940s>
10941Navesi asks, "We're getting a gift?"
10942s>
10943s>
10944Tomakok asks Gander, "And not many other things, huh?"
10945s>
10946s>
10947Lasika asks Gander, "As big as Woten's bundles?"
10948s>
10949s>
10950Smavandree says, "At least it's not Yuuuuuge."
10951s>
10952s>
10953s>
10954s>
10955s>
10956Azettie says, "Only thing I am certain of is I want to play I want to have fun and I want to be a bad guy so if I have to have a conversasion between 3 of my own characters to RP I am gonna do it."
10957s>
10958Gander snickers.
10959s>
10960s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10961
10962I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10963
10964s>
10965s>
10966s>
10967Smavandree asks, "Is it as big as Ghina?"
10968s>
10969Persida asks, "We can refrain from insulting each other here, right?"
10970s>
10971s>
10972Persida smiles.
10973s>
10974Sendithu grins at Azettie.
10975s>
10976s>
10977s>
10978s>
10979s>
10980s>
10981Gander says to Smavandree, "That's what I was going for."
10982s>
10983Gander snickers.
10984s>
10985s>
10986s>
10987Gander says, "Sarcasm, or whatever."
10988s>
10989s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
10990
10991I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
10992
10993s>
10994Smavandree says, "I think we moved on to insulting Trump now..."
10995s>
10996s>
10997Padhg looks at Persida and shrugs.
10998s>
10999s>
11000s>
11001s>
11002s>
11003Tomakok stands up.
11004
11005s>
11006Azettie says, "I can't get sunshine in a bag or moonbeams in a jar I am gonna cause my self problems or my otherself just to have a good time."
11007s>
11008s>
11009Tomakok wandered into a door.
11010
11011s>
11012s>
11013s>
11014s>
11015s>
11016s>
11017s>
11018s>
11019s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11020
11021I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11022
11023s>
11024s>
11025s> shrug
11026You shrug.
11027s>
11028s> wave cookie
11029You wave your salty cookie around.
11030s>
11031s>
11032s>
11033s>
11034Smavandree says, "Is that door made of glass or something? A lot of people are walking into it instead of through the doorway..."
11035s> l cookie
11036Sugary red icing on this heart-shaped cookie spells "WUV!"
11037s>
11038s>
11039s>
11040s>
11041s>
11042s>
11043s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11044
11045I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11046
11047s>
11048s>
11049Gander stands near a door.
11050s>
11051s>
11052s>
11053s>
11054s> smell cookie
11055You sniff at the cookie.
11056s>
11057Persida says, "GM offices are strange places."
11058s>
11059s> lick cookie
11060You lick the cookie and discover that it's sweet.
11061s>
11062s>
11063s>
11064s>
11065s>
11066s> slip cookie into my mant
11067
11068You silently slip a salty cookie into your fur mantle.
11069Roundtime: 3 sec.
11070sR>
11071sR>
11072sR>
11073s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11074
11075I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11076
11077s>
11078s>
11079s>
11080s>
11081s>
11082s>
11083s>
11084s>
11085s>
11086Whyt licks her sticky fingers.
11087Whyt takes a bite of the cake.
11088s>
11089s>
11090s>
11091s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11092
11093I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11094
11095s>
11096s>
11097s>
11098s>
11099s>
11100s>
11101s>
11102s>
11103s>
11104s>
11105s>
11106s>
11107s>
11108s>
11109s>
11110Litrel says, "Here is a general thought for those GM's here that may help shed light on this, given the current attempt to bring back players."
11111s>
11112s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11113
11114I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11115
11116s>
11117s>
11118s>
11119s>
11120Litrel says, "Why not ask them when they return what made them leave."
11121s>
11122s>
11123s>
11124Azettie says, "Oh and I wanted you all to know because we are in an ooc place thank you to those who told my trader how to kick me out of her shop but we were after a little more action. And because this is an ooc even I expect you all to forget that."
11125s>
11126s>
11127s>
11128s>
11129Gander says, "That's easy."
11130s>
11131Gander says, "GMs, most of the time."
11132s>
11133Gander snickers.
11134s>
11135s>
11136s>
11137Gander says, "For me at least."
11138s>
11139s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11140
11141I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11142
11143s>
11144s>
11145s>
11146s>
11147s>
11148s>
11149s>
11150Litrel says, "If thats the case, we are in a lost world."
11151s>
11152s>
11153s>
11154Smavandree says, "Btw, at least some of the twitch discussion should be available on the video when I put it together Nahoii. I didn't have it visible on the stream the whole time. I think I got it added about 1/4 of the way through."
11155s>
11156s>
11157s>
11158s>
11159Litrel says, "Or maybe not if there is change."
11160s>
11161Naohhi raises her hand.
11162s>
11163s>
11164s>
11165s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11166
11167I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11168
11169s>
11170s>
11171Persida says, "We actually do ask that when people leave. Asking upon return would be interesting,."
11172s>
11173Naohhi says, "I'd like to respond to that."
11174s>
11175s>
11176s>
11177s>
11178s>
11179Gander nods to Naohhi.
11180s>
11181s>
11182s>
11183s>
11184s>
11185s>
11186s>
11187Litrel says, "Asking when they leave is a quick response.. Ive left. I didnt care to tell you why."
11188s>
11189Smavandree ponders.
11190s>
11191s>
11192Azettie says to Naohhi, "You are chosen from the list."
11193s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11194
11195I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11196
11197s>
11198s>
11199s>
11200Litrel says, "Ask now. maybe get a different answer."
11201s>
11202s>
11203s>
11204s>
11205s>
11206s>
11207s>
11208s>
11209s>
11210s>
11211s>
11212s>
11213s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11214
11215I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11216
11217s>
11218s>
11219s>
11220s>
11221s>
11222s>
11223Smavandree says, "First time I left was I was acting like a giant ass of a child and needed to grow... 2nd time I left was my deployment to Iraq... 3rd time I left was work, and life just got too hectic."
11224s>
11225Naohhi says, "Sometimes, we don't get to find out why. Other times, people post. When we can, we absolutely do ask. We want to know, but we can't force you into an exit interview. Upon return, lots of times we don't even know you're a returnee unless you mention it. I've had a LOT of assists from returnees and usually their comment is: wow, I didn't expect to get help. or something along that vein."
11226s>
11227Lyneya says, "Ok, I've got the basics typed up."
11228s>
11229s>
11230s>
11231s>
11232s>
11233s>
11234s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11235
11236I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11237
11238s>
11239s>
11240Naohhi says, "So I'd say a lot of the reason, on my own experience and assumption, is culture change in staff and player relations."
11241s>
11242s>
11243s>
11244s>
11245s>
11246s>
11247s>
11248Naohhi says, "But, I cannot speak for every one that has walked away."
11249s>
11250s>
11251s>
11252s>
11253s>
11254Naohhi says, "And again, that's just an assumption."
11255s>
11256Lyneya says, "Tap lyn."
11257s>
11258s>
11259s>
11260*** Lyneya is hushing everyone. ***
11261
11262s>
11263s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11264Lyneya sighs.
11265s>
11266I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11267
11268s>
11269s>
11270s>
11271s>
11272s>
11273s>
11274s>
11275Lyneya says, "I must need more rum."
11276s>
11277s>
11278s>
11279s>
11280s>
11281s>
11282s>
11283s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11284
11285I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11286
11287s>
11288s>
11289s>
11290s>
11291s>
11292s>
11293s>
11294s>
11295s>
11296Persida exclaims, "I need more sleep, but so much stuff to do!"
11297s>
11298s>
11299s>
11300s>
11301s>
11302s>
11303s>
11304s>
11305s>
11306Lyneya nods.
11307s>
11308s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11309
11310I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11311
11312s>
11313s>
11314s>
11315Lyneya says, "Ok. I've typed up a wall of text for you."
11316s>
11317s>
11318s>
11319s>
11320s>
11321Lyneya asks, "So, what if we did as one suggested (and as we've been tossing around behind the scenes for some time now)? Let's suppose we change policy to this: If you impact another character in any way (healing, injuring, buffing, debuffing, cursing, stunning, sleeping, anything at all that impacts the ones and zeroes of another person) then you must first obtain consent or have their permission to engage?"
11322s>
11323s>
11324s>
11325Lyneya says, "If we moved with this change, we'd add some mechanics to the WARN and CHALLENGE verbs to automatically log some more information (including speech) for both parties after one of those commands were used."
11326s>
11327s>
11328s>
11329s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11330
11331I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11332
11333s>
11334s>
11335s>
11336Lyneya says, "Obtaining consent would still work the same way. If someone runs their mouth, you could shoot them a WARN COMBAT and then say, "If you don't stop I'm going to kill you!" Well, that gives them a clear chance to step up or back off. If they accept, game on. If they decline, they need to back off. If they decline and say, "Good luck, I'm closed, you can't do crap to me!" and continue with the behavior you warned them about, well.. like now, this would also be game on."
11337s>
11338s>
11339s>
11340s>
11341s>
11342s>
11343Lyneya says, "It'd require people to communicate before coming to blows, and it'd give the GMS a clear, concise, and NO GREY AREA policy that could be evenly enforced. Did PlayerA do a thing? Yes. Did they WARN first? No -- Well, that's against policy. Yes -- What did PlayerB do when they received the WARN? Did they keep it up or back off? If they kept it up, well tough noogies dude. You were warned. I would not even have to call upon PlayerA. If they backed off as suggested by the WARN? Well, then we enter the traditional consult."
11344s>
11345s>
11346s>
11347s>
11348s>
11349s>
11350s>
11351s>
11352s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11353
11354I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11355
11356s>
11357s>
11358s>
11359s>
11360s>
11361s>
11362s>
11363s>
11364s>
11365s>
11366s>
11367s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11368
11369I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11370
11371s>
11372s>
11373s>
11374s>
11375s>
11376s>
11377Lyneya just opened the questions list.
11378read list
11379s>
11380 No one is waiting on this list.
11381
11382 Any number of people may sign up on the questions list while it's open.
11383 Players of any race and profession may join the list.
11384 You must be a subscriber to join the list.
11385 There is no charge to sign up on the questions list.
11386 The selection order is first-come, first-serve.
11387
11388 The questions list is open.
11389 Leaving the game for more than a few minutes is NOT allowed.
11390 Leaving the room is allowed. You MUST be back by your turn.
11391You may only be on ONE list at a time. Joining another will remove you from the first.
11392
11393s>
11394s>
11395s>
11396s>
11397s>
11398s>
11399s>
11400Sendithu adds her name to the questions list.
11401s>
11402s>
11403s>
11404Lyneya says, "I'm just throwing this out. I'd like to hear what you all think."
11405s>
11406s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11407
11408I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11409
11410s> joni list
11411Please rephrase that command.
11412s>
11413s>
11414s>
11415Isharon adds her name to the questions list.
11416s>
11417s> join list
11418You add your name to the questions list.
11419s>
11420s>
11421s>
11422Sendithu is next.
11423
11424s>
11425s>
11426s>
11427s>
11428s>
11429Sendithu says, "As long as gweths are being logged as well as regular conversation."
11430s>
11431s>
11432s>
11433s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
11434
11435I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
11436
11437s>
11438s>
11439s>
11440s>
11441Sendithu says, "Gweths, rings, bird charms, all that."
11442s>
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11445Lyneya nods to Sendithu.
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11453Litrel adds his name to the questions list.
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11457Lyneya says, "Yup, all of that would be tracked for a brief period of time."
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11461I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11474Sendithu says, "I'd also suggest not telling people how long the logging time is."
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11478I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11482Sendithu says, "That's all."
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11485Lyneya nods.
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11488Isharon is next.
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11499Isharon says, "How would requiring consent work with beneficial actions? I could see some potential issues with healing in triage or when the person is about to die. But otherwise, I am generally in support of making the rules clearer on both sides so that people can avoid unwanted consequences and warnings."
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11503Isharon nods.
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11507I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11512Isharon says, "Done."
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11520Lyneya says, "You'd have to actually talk to people before you put your hands on them."
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11525Lyneya says, "Or spells."
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11543Lyneya says, "Instead of casting a random buff on the guy trying to get across the river, you'd have to say "Hey! Looks like you're having trouble! Want a buff?" Heck, maybe you'll make a new friend."
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11568Lyneya asks, "Instead of walking through a hunting area healing everyone you pass, you'd have to actually speak to them. Hi! I'm an Empath! Would you care for some healing?"
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11578Lyneya says, "It would require peopel to interact with each other more, for sure."
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11581Isharon says, "Ew, talking to people."
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11585Isharon says, "Just kidding, I am kind of amused."
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11591I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11597Azettie wandered into a door.
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11614Navesi adds her name to the questions list.
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11620Lyneya asks, "Does that answer your question?"
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11623Isharon nods.
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11629Lyneya asks, "Any follow up, or done?"
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11662Lyneya leans on Isharon.
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11671I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11676Isharon says, "I am done."
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11679Keroo is next.
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11682s> say I think thats a great idea, a log after a warn would be very help and deter people from false reporting, furthermore requrieng consent before they do ANTTHING to your charater would also help from people in general being abused as such was said early, for bob, i can ice slick bob and he cant do anythign abck but if he does i can go to town, haveing them require consent before they can do that is a great idea, i encourge that acuatl conversations must take place and consent to do such actions., there is a little hole in it...and that would be afk scripters, but thats a whole diffrent can of worms.
11683You say, "I think thats a great idea, a log after a warn would be very help and deter people from false reporting, furthermore requrieng consent before they do ANTTHING to your charater would also help from people in general being abused as such was said early, for bob, i can ice slick bob and he cant do anythign abck but if he does i can go to town, haveing them require consent before they can do that is a great idea, i encourge that acuatl conversations must take place and consent to do such actions., there is a little hole in it...and that would be afk scripters, but thats a whole diffrent can of worms."
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11685s> say done
11686You say, "Done."
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11689Lyneya says, "Thank you."
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11697I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11705Gander is next.
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11710Gander says, "Hate the concept on the grounds of having to warn (figuratively and literally) people of impending doom. It removes the organic nature of conflict and advises the other person just before my actions, so they can say, pause and buff while they decline - if nothing else. I think verbal warnings from onecharacter to another is sufficient, in conversation and context, if nothing else - but even that is too far sometimes. If the situation is squishy and not blatant - you throw out a verbal warning to them. Warn mechanics seem silly to me in general though."
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11712Naohhi adds her name to the questions list.
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11718Gander says, "As far as removing the deliniation between beneficial and harming."
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11722Gander says, "That's fine."
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11726I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11740Gander says, "All ive got this time."
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11744I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11750Lyneya says, "And if you go without the warn, you end up in a traditional consult. You lose the "cover your ass" that WARN will provide, allowing us to not interrupt your evening for a frivolous report."
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11764I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11769Gander says, "But if you reviewed the situation."
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11771Gander says, "And saw back and forth."
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11776Gander says, "Where someone said "Keep talking like that, i'll get ya'."
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11779Gander asks, "That's not the same and sufficient?"
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11786Gander says, "Or more directly, i'll kill you for that, I guess."
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11789I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11793Lyneya asks, "The back and forth only gets recorded upon usage of one of those commands. We can't literally record everything every player says, you have any idea how slow this game would run?"
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11799Gander says, "Then no, hate the idea."
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11803Gander nods.
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11813Gander says, "I'm sorry, but that's completely unorganicand it those warnings just tend to piss me off."
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11825Gander says, "A second ago it was hey, talk more, and now it's more along the 'use mechanics' line."
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11841Gander says, "I'm tired of mechanics to babyproof everything, more messaging warning people that they're ACTUALLY DEPARTING or whatever - it's all babyproofing to me."
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11848Lyneya nods to Gander.
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11850Lyneya says, "Thank you for your input."
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11854Gander says, "People need to be responsible for what they do and say, if they didnt say anything it's unconsented as it is."
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11856Gander nods.
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11858s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
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11860I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11876I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11881Lyneya asks, "Anything else to add before I move on?"
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11886Gander says, "Nope."
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11888Lyneya says, "I dont want to cut you off."
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11891Lyneya nods in agreement.
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11893Litrel is next.
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11899Litrel says, "Only because I dont have much time left to stay, but think the point needs to be made. I think, since you are giving away free premie for 60 days to returning players, why not try to identify who they are and get the infroation. I think you may find, and I could be wrong, the would be open since they have had some time away from DR to openly talk about the issues they felt important. Not exactly inline with tonights theme, but some of it may be."
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11916Litrel says, "Sorry, but didnt want to lose the conversation that was being had when you froze the room."
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11922Lyneya nods.
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11935Lyneya says, "I appreciate that, thank you for your input."
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11940Persida says, "What Naohhi was trying to say earlier is that in-game staff aren't alerted in any way when someone re-subs."
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11948I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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11955Litrel says, "Perhaps that should be reviewed then."
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11959Lyneya says, "Perhaps."
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11961Persida says, "We literally have no way of knowing unless someone volunteers and reaches out to us."
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11963Lyneya nods in agreement.
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11968Litrel says, "Or you get told."
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11983Litrel says, "It may open up some new areas of concern and allow DR to grow again.. just my thought."
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12000Litrel says, "That is all I had."
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12005Persida says, "Oh I totally get what you're saying. We just don't have any way to get that info at this time."
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12009Lyneya says, "We've had 23 resubs since I emailed the promo yesterday."
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12015I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12019Litrel says, "It appears you do."
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12027Persida says, "I'm speaking as in-game staff."
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12034Lyneya says, "She doesn't, I do. I'm not a GM, I'm the PM."
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12040I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12046Litrel says, "Understand, but there is a way for them to get the info."
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12051Litrel says, "Its just something to consider."
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12058Lyneya says, "I appreciate your comments."
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12100Litrel says, "I am good."
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12103Lasika is next.
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12114Lasika says, "About the healing thing: Empaths can sense when someone is dying, but by the time that happens, there's little time for pleasantries. It's either take their vitality fast or they die. Or if someone is dying in shock, they can't respond to grant consent, unless it's a verb that is usable when stunned and dead. Would consent be ignored if the empath chooses to save their life, in any of those situations? Or perhaps an additional rule in invasion triage, when there is so much going on that communication is almost impossible, so by being there you're basically consenting to any and all help from empaths? I know some people hate that idea, but... its war, at that point. You can get your bleeder back later, right? It's not like real life where if someone untrained pulls you from a wreck and paralyzes you for life, you get to sue them for helping."
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12117s> [Trigger]: profile Tsaru
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12119This is not an appropriate place for that.
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12123I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12128Lasika says, "I'd suggest more toggles and flags, if such a system is put into place. The ability to grant consent to any empath or cleric for raising. Kind of different levels of opting in or out of different interactions, to ease things along when there's no time for conversation."
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12136Lasika says, "And I ran out of time to expand on that idea but you get what I'm suggesting, I hope."
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12142I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12169Lyneya says, "Definitely would be more complicated in that situation."
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12172Lyneya nods to Lasika.
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12180I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12189Benediction is next.
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12226Benediction says, "Take a journey with me, back when I used to play in Ratha there used to be a moon mage that would open a gate on the green, and it would unleash a tidal wave into the room and knock everyone down. It was his way of sorta livening up the place and I guess script checking people into waking up, harmlessly. It was a fun organic prank that lead into more mischief. I'm afraid those new policies would hinder that from ever happening again and thats why I would be afraid of their implimentation. Role play needs everyone to have free will otherwise you lose that sense of free will spontaneity that makes it so fun, diminishing safe spaces (god I hate that term) not increasing them."
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12237I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12248Lyneya says, "Well, that doesn't imact a character's numbers right? It simply makes them prone."
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12254I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12258Benediction says, "If a system like that were put in effect my fear is it would be those that were trying to entice some sort of interaction that would pay the price, people just trying to have fun not badger. Thats all thanks."
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12274I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12282Lyneya nods to Benediction.
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12284Lyneya says, "Thank you."
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12287Navesi is next.
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12293Your mind hears Vinrekk thinking, "bubbles?"
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12300I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12304Navesi says, "Hello again."
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12308Lyneya says, "Hi."
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12312Navesi says, "I think I tentatively like this proposed solution, Lyneya. However, I would want to add in a few clarifying lines to help people learn it. Making the system crystal clear would mean less confusion and hopefully fewer assists."
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12318Navesi says, "For example: Lyneya just cast a spell on you (or whatever)! [You now have consent to attack Lyneya.]."
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12324Navesi says, "Or >check Lyneya. You have consent on Lyneya for the next 13 minutes."
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12328I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12336Navesi says, "Also I agree with making toggles. Allow people to consent all healing, consent all tending, consent all Augmentation, Warding, and Utility spells, etc. I DO want to talk to people more but I think that having to manually consent to everything would be a lot of work."
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12345I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12350Navesi asks, "Finally, I'm curious about what this would mean for HLCs picking on lower level characters. They could grant consent all day long without fear of any consequences. Would it mean that if the lowbie is Closed/Guarded, the HLC simply wouldn't be allowed to take those actions at all against them?"
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12357Your mind hears Sok thinking, "{faintly}" "seems my memory is a bit faulty. Anyun know where in Leth the origami shop is?"
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12368I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12373Gander adds his name to the questions list.
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12380Your mind hears Gremtrak thinking, "{faintly}" "in the tent"
12381
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12388Litrel wandered into a door.
12389
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12391
12392I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
12393
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12395Your mind hears Yanbelev thinking, "{faintly}" "Hm, to the southwesterly area of the center of town. Lookit for the perty tent."
12396
12397s>
12398Your mind hears Gremtrak thinking, "{faintly}" "the one with no door"
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12405Lyneya says, "Those sorts of additions would be great. I can't say that it'd happen any time soon, as development resources are fairly thin right now."
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12407Your mind hears Sok thinking, "{faintly}" "Thank ya"
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12416Gander removes his name from the questions list.
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12420I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12428Your mind hears Etherian thinking, "From the center of town, west three paces, then southeast"
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12432Navesi nods to Lyneya.
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12437Lyneya says, "Don't make it something it isn't though -- Of course, it would never be an issue between friends, because your friends aren't going to do things to you that you wouldn't want."
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12440I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12449Your mind hears Sok thinking, "{faintly}" "Thank ya Etherian."
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12455Navesi nods.
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12461I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12465Lyneya says, "And you're not going to REPORT them for casting courage on you."
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12475I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12490I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12503I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12508Lyneya says, "For the average player, it would change nothing in their behavior except to add one last "are you REALLY sure?" check before they engage another character. (and of course, OPEN would still be OPEN) It wouldn't change anyone's actual IC behavior, it might just slow it up half a minute."
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12516Gander adds his name to the questions list.
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12522I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
12523
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12525Your mind hears Brahmer thinking, "{faintly}" "anythin worth doin' goin on?"
12526
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12529Navesi nods.
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12532Isharon adds her name to the questions list.
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12536Navesi says, "Well I'm definitely curious to see where you guys go with it."
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12542Lyneya says, "I feel like the only people something like this would hamper negatively are the ones who are out to make another person's experience miserable."
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12545I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12552Lyneya says, "But, it's an idea and I want feedback. That's why we're here."
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12555Lyneya nods to Navesi.
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12560Lyneya asks, "Anything else to add?"
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12564Navesi says, "No, that's it."
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12567Naohhi is next.
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12572I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12576Naohhi asks, "Terramotus : For Lyneya, would there be options to set flags automatically consenting to certain things? Could we whitelist certain people?"
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12578Gander removes his name from the questions list.
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12588I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12603I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12606Lyneya says, "You certainly could have an understanding with people. I don't know about flags, I don't know I have the resources for that. You could use the fields on your profile, for example, to state what's always ok with you."
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12617I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12625Lyneya asks, "I mean, your whitelist would be yours. That means you're not going to REPORT those people. Who needs to know, besides you and them?"
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12635I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12641Sunderstone's Zuz'darm Sendithu's group wandered into a door.
12642
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12644Naohhi says, "Waiting to see if Terramotus has a response."
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12652I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12667I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12671Naohhi says, "No response currently. Second proxy topic.."
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12674Naohhi says, "Caledric: Comment on Lasika's Comment Naohhi... Perhaps FA should be reviewed so keeping pet bleeders aren't the best way to go anymore? Maybe anatomy charts can teach better. Or more ways to learn FA could be introduced."
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12679Lyneya nods.
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12684Lyneya says, "Maybe, but that's not really a part of this discussion."
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12686s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
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12688I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12692Naohhi nods.
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12695Naohhi says, "Proxy is done."
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12699Lyneya says, "Thank you."
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12701Isharon is next.
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12708Isharon says, "Are we talking warnings for CAST AREA (with Courage) without getting get consent from everyone in the room? Or does the spell just not affect them? (It looks like Isharon is trying to cast Courage. Type ACCEPT SPELL in the next 15 seconds to join in.)."
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12710Lyneya leans on Isharon.
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12716I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12739Lyneya asks, "Well, this idea is in its infancy. I'd think, in an invasion setting, you could say "ABOUT TO CAST COURAGE! MOVE WEST FOR A MINUTE IF YOU DONT WANT IT!" should be sufficient?"
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12746I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12752Isharon says to Lyneya, "I don't know, that sounds kind of ... unnecessary with all the other stuff I might be trying to focus on during an invasion."
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12760I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12775I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12786Isharon says to Lyneya, "It might be better to limit the consent stuff to clearly detrimental actions instead of basically getting people to sign waivers before you can interact with them in any way that conceivably touches on game mechanics. Just my two cents as a role-player."
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12804I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12816I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12824Isharon says to Lyneya, "You don't want role-play to be too much of a hassle, or people just go script in a corner."
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12833I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12841Lyneya says, "I think that phrasing it in the context of "getting people to sign waivers" is a bit of an overreaction when I'm simply proposing that you all treat each other with common courtesy and communicate before you impact someone else's character, but just my two cents as a human being."
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12848I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12861Isharon asks Lyneya, "That sounds fine, but why make lack of mere courtesy a warnable offense, if that's what this policy would do?"
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12865I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12877I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12886Isharon asks Lyneya, "Do you guys really want to field 'Samsaren cast Courage on the room without asking' reports?"
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12895I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12907I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12922I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12926Isharon says, "Requiring consent for beneficial actions just seems like something that gives policy players more tools."
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12936I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12946Isharon says, "Not that I don't get where you're coming from."
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12952Lyneya says, "It'd have to be all of nothing for it to work, or we're right back in the grey area. I don't think that asking people to communicate before they impact someone else is too much, but I accept that I may be in the minority. That's why we're talking about it rather than reading a policy change announcement."
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12955Lyneya leans on Isharon.
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12957
12958I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
12959
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12970I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12980Isharon says, "I think I am pretty considerate as far as players go, but I am thinking about practical situations in invasions or triage where time and typing are at a premium."
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12987I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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12995Isharon says, "It feels like it's bubble-wrapping a lot of interactions that don't really need that when the real things people complain about are PvP and getting warned for PvP."
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13002I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13017I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13025Padhg adds his name to the questions list.
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13030Isharon says, "That is all I have to say on this point."
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13032I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13040Lyneya nods to Isharon.
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13044Lyneya says, "Thank you for your input."
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13047Padhg is next.
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13053Lyneya nods to Padhg.
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13057I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13069I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13073Padhg says, "To the point Isharon just made, in that specific case just ask people to join your group for courage as you do now."
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13076Naohhi adds her name to the questions list.
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13087Lyneya nods to Padhg.
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13090I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13101Padhg says, "In addition, maybe roleplaying tools like a sign that says "WARNING! I'm an old codger so leave unles you want healing."
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13103I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13119I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13125Padhg says, "I think that's all, I do feel the new policy has fewer holes than the current."
13126s>
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13128Padhg says, "So I support it."
13129s>
13130s>
13131Lyneya says, "Thank you for your input."
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13135Lyneya nods to Padhg.
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13137s>
13138Naohhi is next.
13139
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13142I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13157I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13162Naohhi asks, "Riverlynn from Twitter: I have a question about this policy that Lyneya is proposing...is there penalties for someone who acts without warning even when there is clear consent? Must you WARN first? Or is clear consent still a thing?"
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13172Naohhi says, "She asked 38 minutes ago. I missed it until now, sorry."
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13175I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13190I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13207Lyneya says, "Clear consent is definitely a thing. If you have consent, you have consent and that wouldn't change. If you don't take the time to use the WARN verb, then it's possible we might come ask you what happened -- but if you had consent, then we'd just say thank you for the information and send you on your way."
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13220I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13229Your mind hears Lighter thinking, "rh yes, and they were helpful, but I confused all of them."
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13236I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13243Naohhi says, "Proxy done for now. I don't believe she is actively watching her DMs on Twitter to send a response."
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13253I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13259Lyneya nods.
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13261Lyneya says, "Ok. No one else on the list either."
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13269I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13281Lyneya says, "I thank you all, each and every one of you, for sticking with me so long tonight. We've talked and talked and shared a lot of ideas and perspectives, and I appreciate your taking the time to share yur views with me."
13282s>
13283Your mind hears Rozze thinking, "Hi, the people."
13284
13285s>
13286s>
13287s>
13288s>
13289Lyneya says, "I just wante dto say that before it gets noisy."
13290s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13291
13292I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13293
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13300Lyneya says, "I'm going to unhush, take a five minute break, and then come back to chat for a few minutes before I take off for the night."
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13304s>
13305*** Lyneya is allowing everyone to speak now. ***
13306
13307s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13308
13309I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13310
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13312s>
13313Lasika covers her ears with her hands.
13314s> grin
13315You grin.
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13324Persida exclaims, "She's just trying to make me give up and go to bed before she does!"
13325s>
13326Persida shakes her fist!
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13329s>
13330s>
13331Whyt laughs!
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13333chu
13334
13335I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13336
13337s>
13338You chuckle.
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13340s>
13341Navesi says, "Thank you again for inviting us and being willing to discuss and hear us."
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13347s>
13348Padhg asks, "Did no one else make use of the two wooden chairs?"
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13352s>
13353Persida says, "I've been DRing since 6am my time. It's 1am now."
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13355
13356I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13357
13358s>
13359s> say chairs?
13360You ask, "Chairs?"
13361s>
13362s>
13363s>
13364s>
13365Persida says, "I will not break. I will not bend."
13366s>
13367Lasika says, "I'm a bit sad that the idea of flags and toggles would be so hard to impliment. I wanted to say, it would be nice to be able to add people to more lists."
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13371s>
13372Naohhi says, "Omg it is 1am."
13373s>
13374s>
13375Persida says, "Yeah."
13376s>
13377s>
13378s>
13379Persida nods to Naohhi.
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13381s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13382
13383I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13384
13385s>
13386Padhg holds his hand out towards Naohhi for a highfive.
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13388s>
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13390s>
13391Naohhi says, "The BF is going to bed. The dogs are staring at me waiting for bedtime treat."
13392s>
13393Naohhi and Padhg highfive each other.
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13395s>
13396s> chu
13397You chuckle.
13398s>
13399Isharon says, "I just see this idea, as it is currently proposed, as adding a whole new level of policy play and potential for GM consults when that is something I think we all agree should be reduced."
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13404Persida says to Lasika, "It's more that we're stretched really, really thin right now and we have a ton of super high priority things to do."
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13406
13407I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13411s>
13412Lasika nods to Persida.
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13420Lasika says, "Get players to help where we can! Like that idea for a list of everything that causes consent."
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13425s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13426
13427I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13428
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13430s>
13431Smavandree says, "Yeah, the stream may have to end soon. I'll be getting a text from the wife any minute telling me to come to bed."
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13434s>
13435Isharon says, "Though in general, I do like making the rules more black-and-white."
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13438s>
13439Lasika says, "Everyone can think of all the abilities from their guilds, get that list set up for you to add and take off stuff."
13440s>
13441Lyneya says to Persida, "I slept til noon. I have hours left in me."
13442s>
13443Lyneya folds her arms across her chest.
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13447s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13448
13449I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13450
13451s> say less grey is good
13452You say, "Less grey is good."
13453s>
13454s>
13455s> say its the grey area that causeing trouble
13456
13457s>
13458s>
13459You say, "Its the grey area that causeing trouble."
13460s>
13461Persida says, "My husband has actually been asleep then awake again three times in the span of time I've been working on DR today."
13462s>
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13465s>
13466s>
13467Persida says, "Or yesterday. Or whatever day it is now."
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13471s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13472
13473I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13474
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13478s>
13479Persida says, "Asleep three times and awake again two."
13480s>
13481s>
13482Persida says, "He's asleep now."
13483s>
13484s>
13485Persida stares blankly into the distance.
13486s>
13487Padhg grins at Persida.
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13489s>
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13491s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13492
13493I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13494
13495s>
13496Lasika says, "I have trouble wrapping my head around the proposed system, and I know my friend is scared that people will be even ruder when going for healing. But we're both willing to give it a shot before quitting in disgust. It's a change, and any change is good at the moment."
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13507Padhg opens a rugged safari pack clasped with a piece of drake's heart amber.
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13512
13513I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13514
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13516s>
13517Padhg closes a rugged safari pack clasped with a piece of drake's heart amber.
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13520s>
13521Lasika says, "Hopefully they will be less ruder."
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13528
13529I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13536Persida smiles.
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13545
13546I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13547
13548s>
13549s> say i dont think well.. i mean if somone wants to play pocliy they will report for benfical spells....or attack said person the instant it happens....thata cuattly seems a easy VEERY easy wat to pvp bait now that i think about it
13550You say, "I dont think well.. i mean if somone wants to play pocliy they will report for benfical spells....or attack said person the instant it happens....thata cuattly seems a easy VEERY easy wat to pvp bait now that i think about it."
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13553s>
13554Lyneya says, "It might result in more assists, Isharon. That's true. But with such clear rules, it would virtually eliminate the need to bother a potential aggressor. I could open up the logs and clearly see this happened or that happened and (hopefylly) see that the other party followed the rule and won't even have to talk to them."
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13556s>
13557Isharon says, "Navesi is defending during invasion. I go into his room. He, thinking he is just among friends, area-casts an AoE buff without warning the room in advance. >REPORT Navesi just cast Blessing of the Fae on me without warning everyone."
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13559s>
13560s> walk intoa courge, kill the paladin
13561Please rephrase that command.
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13563s>
13564s>
13565Isharon says, "Logging is good."
13566s> say walk into a courge, kill the paladin
13567
13568s>
13569You say, "Walk into a courge, kill the paladin."
13570s>
13571Isharon says, "Making the rules clear is good."
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13573Lyneya says, "So instead of a one hour consult, I have a ten minute assist."
13574s>
13575I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13576
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13581s>
13582Navesi asks, "Am I a he now?"
13583s>
13584s>
13585s>
13586Navesi ponders.
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13588s>
13589s>
13590Your mind hears Haileyann thinking, "Hi Rozze!"
13591
13592s>
13593Isharon says, "But instead of one one-hour consult, you mgiht have 30 10-minute assists of that nature."
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13597s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13598
13599I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13600
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13602s>
13603s>
13604s> say like thats a really easy way to bait consent if its just get hit with a benefical spell
13605You say, "Like thats a really easy way to bait consent if its just get hit with a benefical spell."
13606s>
13607Persida says to Navesi, "At this hour, all bets are off."
13608s>
13609s>
13610Persida pats Navesi on the back.
13611s>
13612s>
13613Navesi grins at Persida.
13614s>
13615Lyneya says, "I expect there would be more action as people learned what is ok and what isnt."
13616s>
13617s>
13618s>
13619Isharon nods at you, obviously agreeing with your views.
13620s>
13621s>
13622Your mind hears Sharrielle thinking, "any traders around the crossing to sell a pouch"
13623
13624s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13625
13626I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13627
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13629s>
13630s>
13631s>
13632s> say griefing could get worse
13633You say, "Griefing could get worse."
13634s>
13635Lasika says, "But after that, it would be easier to sort out the troublemakers and tan their hides."
13636s>
13637s> ear scra
13638You scratch one ear, feeling bemused.
13639s>
13640s>
13641s>
13642Isharon says, "I am just not sure that a lot of the proposed interactions really NEED this level of GM oversight."
13643s>
13644s>
13645s>
13646s>
13647s>
13648Isharon says, "When we know already which interactions people complain about the most."
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13650s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13651
13652I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13653
13654s>
13655s>
13656s>
13657s> say which i8s negative
13658You say, "Which i8s negative."
13659s> say enver postive
13660You say, "Enver postive."
13661s>
13662s>
13663s> say never even
13664You say, "Never even."
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13666s>
13667s>
13668Padhg says, "However, we're also talking about edge cases."
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13670s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13671
13672I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
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13686
13687I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13688
13689s>
13690s>
13691Isharon says, "Healing, people sometimes complain about that, but that is generally because they have other plans for those wounds. And there is a tool to avoid healing."
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13699s> [stayon]: exp scimitar
13700
13701I could not determine what skill you wanted to check.
13702
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13706s>
13707s>
13708Padhg says, "And if they walk into triage during an invasion, they should know they are consenting to be healed since that is the designated area for so."
13709s>
13710s> say demeanor ect
13711You say, "Demeanor ect."
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13715s>
13716Lasika nods to you.
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