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4Thread: This is the new Kindle Paperwhite 4
5Started on 10-16-2018 at 06:03 AM by AnimalOfArt
6Visit at https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311566
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9[Post 1]
10Author: AnimalOfArt
11Date: 10-16-2018 06:03 AM
12Thread Title: This is the new Kindle Paperwhite 4
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14https://www.wired.it/gadget/accessori/2018/10/16/nuovo-kindle-paperwhite-2/
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166 inch, waterproof, no mentions of bluelight reduction.
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18There will be three variants: 8GB for 130€, 32GB for 160€ and 32GB with Internet connectivity for 230€.
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20Will be released on november 7th
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22Amazon USA (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075RNKT6G)
23Amazon UK (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07747FR44/)
24Amazon AU (https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B075QRWPPJ)
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29Author: jhowell
30Date: 10-16-2018 07:04 AM
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32Some additional specs from that article, courtesy of Google Translate:
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37Author: stuartjmz
38Date: 10-16-2018 07:22 AM
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40The 32GB w/o cellular does sound appealing, but since I've switched from an older PW to a Kobo Clara HD, I will wait and see what Kobo's response is
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45Author: SKK
46Date: 10-16-2018 07:27 AM
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48It looks like Amazon is no longer selling new Paperwhite 3's.
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53Author: Nate the great
54Date: 10-16-2018 07:32 AM
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56well that is insomnia inducing
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61Author: Threepwood
62Date: 10-16-2018 07:36 AM
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64Do you expect an Oasis update this year?
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69Author: jhowell
70Date: 10-16-2018 07:39 AM
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72Here is a link to the new Paperwhite at amazon.com.au:
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74All-new Kindle Paperwhite � Now Waterproof with more than 2x the Storage, Free 4G LTE + Wi-Fi (32GB) (https://www.amazon.com.au/All-new-Kindle-Paperwhite-Waterproof-Storage/dp/B075QRWPPJ)
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78And amazon.com:
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80All-new Kindle Paperwhite � Now Waterproof with more than 2x the Storage, Free 4G LTE + Wi-Fi (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075RNKT6G)
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85Author: Lady Stardust
86Date: 10-16-2018 07:41 AM
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88Nate has it too https://the-digital-reader.com/2018/10/16/kindle-paperwhite-4-is-lighter-waterproof/
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93Author: tdonline
94Date: 10-16-2018 07:45 AM
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96As long as my PW works, I'm not going to splash the cash unless Amazon offers a 8 inch screen.  You hear me Mr Bezos?
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98Mr Bezos doesn't hear me ;)
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103Author: Nate the great
104Date: 10-16-2018 07:50 AM
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106it would have been announced today, so no
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111Author: Nate the great
112Date: 10-16-2018 07:52 AM
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114and here's the listing on Amazon.com: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075QRWPPJ
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116I used the ASIN that JHowell found, and I give him kudos for that
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121Author: Nate the great
122Date: 10-16-2018 07:53 AM
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124I just cleaned up the GTranslate version of the Wired.it post, LOL!
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129Author: stuartjmz
130Date: 10-16-2018 07:53 AM
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133This item will be released on November 7, 2018.
134Pre-order now.
135This item cannot be delivered to New Zealand.
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138Well that settles that, for now. Although I am happy to see Amazon continuing to invest in the 6 inch market. With all the hype around bigger devices like the Oasis and the Kobo Forma,  there are still some of us who actually like smaller devices, at smaller prices. The 25 gram weight loss and big jump in storage both very appealing.
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143Author: eDP
144Date: 10-16-2018 07:54 AM
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146Interesting they're still not introducing a comfort light type feature.
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151Author: ilovejedd
152Date: 10-16-2018 07:55 AM
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154Special Offers
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156https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CXG6C9W/
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161Author: eDP
162Date: 10-16-2018 07:58 AM
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164Ok, this will be interesting...on the Amazon Australia listing there's no mention of Audible support as a feature but under formats supported...
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166Content Formats Supported
167Kindle Format 8 (AZW3), Kindle (AZW), TXT, PDF, unprotected MOBI, PRC natively; HTML DOC, DOCX, JPEG, GIF, PNG, PMP through conversion; Audible audio format (AAX).
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169Amazon USA however does mention Audible as a feature...I bet the Aussie version has Audible disabled when they ship it.
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174Author: jhowell
175Date: 10-16-2018 08:01 AM
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177I wonder if that is due to patent issues or if they just want to save something for next year's model.
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182Author: eDP
183Date: 10-16-2018 08:03 AM
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185My guess is the latter.  These things innovate so slowly they've really gotta pace themselves with new features!
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190Author: shalym
191Date: 10-16-2018 08:04 AM
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193Hmmm...
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196Shari
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201Author: vrf
202Date: 10-16-2018 08:05 AM
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204I�m glad Amazon didn�t buy into that gimmick.
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209Author: Nate the great
210Date: 10-16-2018 08:05 AM
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212yes, i found the general listing rather than the US-specific listing
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214it's now after 9am, so all the listings should be live
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219Author: shalym
220Date: 10-16-2018 08:07 AM
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222Ah...there's the US one.  Thanks!
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224Shari
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229Author: jhowell
230Date: 10-16-2018 08:07 AM
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232And a press release from Amazon:
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234Meet the All-New Kindle Paperwhite�Thinner, Lighter, 2x the Storage, and Waterproof for Just $129 (https://press.aboutamazon.com/news-releases/news-release-details/meet-all-new-kindle-paperwhite-thinner-lighter-2x-storage-and)
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237Besides the specs mentioned previously there is a clearer description of the Kindle software changes coming:
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241No mention of Alexa, so those rumors appear to be false.
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246Author: eDP
247Date: 10-16-2018 08:10 AM
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249I think it's a gimmick to the extent that on the Kobos you can make the screen turn bright orange, but as some models of Kindle have quite a cool display temperature it would be nice to be able to warm it up just a little.
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254Author: Threepwood
255Date: 10-16-2018 08:11 AM
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257Does Audible Support mean it features Immersion Reading?
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262Author: Sweetpea
263Date: 10-16-2018 08:17 AM
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265And here the cheapest version:
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267https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07741S7Y8
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272Author: Pjama
273Date: 10-16-2018 08:25 AM
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275It looks like they used the body of the Voyage without the haptic buttons. The edging looks identical. It’s nice, but not exciting for me. I have the Oasis 2 and am quite tempted by the Kobo Forma, so I was waiting to see what the new kindle would be like. I’m not surprised that it is an incremental upgrade. I am quite surprised that they still refuse to use a comfort light system. I imagine they are trying to perfect it to avoid the light issues that have plagued them in the past. It’s likely then that the next Oasis will have a comfort light, and that this feature will be reserved for the top specced model.
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277I think it’s a good solid upgrade to their top-selling reader and will appeal to its target market. I wasn’t expecting anything very exciting after seeing the giant bezel teaser pic last week. :D
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282Author: pdurrant
283Date: 10-16-2018 08:26 AM
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285It looks like a Waterproof Voyage without the buttons.
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287A nice incremental update. Good for those who don't already have a paperwhite, voyage or oasis.
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289I suppose the extra storage might appeal to some.
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291Alas for the Liquavista colour display that now appears to have been abandoned.
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296Author: Wearever
297Date: 10-16-2018 08:34 AM
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299It looks nice. Extra storage and waterproof, and audible with one extra led. All great for about the same price for the cheapest version. No mention of the battery size yet, just gives a warning about streaming audio will use more battery life. They didn't mention that before on the Oasis. Lol. I hope they kept the same size battery on the Paperwhite. I'll wait for longer term reviews on battery life.
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304Author: jhowell
305Date: 10-16-2018 08:42 AM
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307No mention of that. It is most likely the same support as currently found in the Oasis and Basic models.
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312Author: johnnyb
313Date: 10-16-2018 08:50 AM
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315Quite disappointing, they should have at least included some type of night light and upgraded the Oasis in that regard.
316This is quite unappealing for most all of the people who own a more recent Kindle model.
317Kobo doesn‘t offer cloud features outside of their store, Amazon doesn’t offer somewhat recent mainstream features in their devices.
318I guess the ereader market is now officially the household appliance market.
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323Author: Josieb1
324Date: 10-16-2018 08:53 AM
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326I don't think its unappealing, and I have an Oasis 2. For anyone who is looking to buy a Paperwhite its a good upgrade.
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331Author: tubemonkey
332Date: 10-16-2018 09:00 AM
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334I'm really getting tired of Amazon's naming scheme. It's so danged confusing. Every new model they introduce is always the "all-new" model. So how do you differentiate all of the previous "all-new" models?
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336Amazon considers this Paperwhite to be a 10th gen Kindle, even though it's a 4th gen Paperwhite.
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338Let's get with the program Amazon and keep it simple. This should be called the Kindle Paperwhite 4.
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343Author: tubemonkey
344Date: 10-16-2018 09:21 AM
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346No upgrading for me. I'm still quite happy with my Kindle E-reader, 6" Glare-Free Touchscreen Display, Wi-Fi - Includes Special Offers.
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348Any guesses as to which model I have?
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350If you said it's a 7th gen Kindle or a 2nd gen Kindle Touch or a Kindle 7, you'd be correct :D
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355Author: rcentros
356Date: 10-16-2018 09:29 AM
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358I'm guessing not. I'm guessing it will be the same as the current Bluetooth support in the Kindle Basic (8th Generation) and the newest Oasis.
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363Author: rcentros
364Date: 10-16-2018 09:32 AM
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366Anyone know yet if the new software will be based on Android, or not?
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371Author: Shad Plante
372Date: 10-16-2018 09:33 AM
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374Don't you mean to save something for the 2023 model?
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379Author: Nate the great
380Date: 10-16-2018 09:35 AM
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387Author: rcentros
388Date: 10-16-2018 09:37 AM
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390Well, drat, I wanted an E-Carta screen for the Kindle Basic. Water proofing (if it's like the Oasis) means the battery wears out and you throw away the Paperwhite.
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395Author: ZodWallop
396Date: 10-16-2018 09:45 AM
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398I didn't think much of color changing light either until I had an ereader that has it.
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400Blue light affecting your sleep may be a bunch of bunk. But at night when I'm reading on my Aura and my better half is reading a Glowlight 3, the amber glow is much more pleasant and makes my low lit Aura seem like it's glaring.
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402I am cheered by Amazon selling a cheap 6 inch reader that is waterproof. Aside from the retired Glowlight Plus, if you want waterproofing you have to buy a larger, more expensive reader.
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407Author: rcentros
408Date: 10-16-2018 09:52 AM
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410I guess it's nice for those who want it � but I think "down the road" when the battery goes kaput, is it going to be impossible to replace, like the new Oasis? From my personal viewpoint, I would rather have a non-waterproof device where the battery can be replaced.
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412As for no "warm color" feature ... I'm really surprised they didn't add that. I really thought they would.
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417Author: barryem
418Date: 10-16-2018 09:55 AM
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420I have the new Nook Glowlight with the colored light feature.  I found that adding just a little bit of warmth to the light makes it a little nicer but the truth is I only notice it when comparing.  While reading my Paperwhite or even my original Kobo Aura with it's splotchy light is just as good.
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422I do agree that the blue light thing is a gimmick, kind of like the 3D on the Amazon Fire phone.  It's there because it sells units not because it makes for a better reading experience.
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424I think the most dramatic example of this kind of sales gimmick is the glossy computer screen.  Matte screens look far better and are easier on our eyes and there's no real price difference but the customer in the store is attracted to the shiny screen so we have glossy screens for the most part.
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426Barry
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431Author: ZodWallop
432Date: 10-16-2018 10:02 AM
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434How far down the road do you want? My Aura that I bought refurbished in April 2016 is still humming along and shows no signs of slowing. So is the old Nook ST w Glowlight that I bought in 2013.
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436I'd rather have a waterproof reader that I can take worry free into the tub for five years than a reader with a replaceable battery (both would be even better, I suppose).
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441Author: xyzhou
442Date: 10-16-2018 10:06 AM
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444KP4 can be wrapped in one line....
445https://medium.com/@zhouxingyu319/one-line-wrap-up-on-amazons-new-kindle-paperwhite-4-2b92ea1a524?source=friends_link&sk=f11d25db6902b9fc417c036e14baed4b
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450Author: ZodWallop
451Date: 10-16-2018 10:07 AM
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453Barry, do you ever read in a completely darkened room? That's when I most notice the amber light.
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455I agree that the light on my Aura is perfectly adequate. So is the 212 ppi screen. But that doesn't mean newer features aren't notably nicer.
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460Author: SleepyBob
461Date: 10-16-2018 10:09 AM
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463That's why it is now waterproof. :rofl:
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468Author: tubemonkey
469Date: 10-16-2018 10:14 AM
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471:rofl: ...good one :thumbsup:
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476Author: rcentros
477Date: 10-16-2018 10:19 AM
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479I've got a Kindle (non-touch) where the battery is getting weak(er) and I will soon be replacing it. Then the first Touch I bought will also need a battery replacement soon. I've bought a used Kindle Keyboard that needed a new battery (and it's humming along fine now) and I've also replaced the battery on a used Nook Simple Touch (that I gave to my son) — it was like new, but I don't think the battery had been charged in years. My original NST will need a battery soon, as well. And I've got a Sony PRS-350 that will need a battery replaced (at least I think it's the battery — I bought it used, it might be more serious).
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481So the ability to replace batteries is important to me. Waterproofing? I don't read in the water. But I do realize that everyone is different. One person's necessary feature is another person's "meh."
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486Author: j.p.s
487Date: 10-16-2018 10:22 AM
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489On a model named Paperwhite?
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494Author: rcentros
495Date: 10-16-2018 10:25 AM
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497Even with the warm color setting it could still go white, right? When the Paperwhite first came out there was no warm color setting feature ... anywhere. Maybe there's some kind of patent on the method other companies are using for the warm light?
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502Author: ilovejedd
503Date: 10-16-2018 10:48 AM
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505I've got a PW3 (since 2015) and have long been eyeing the Oasis 2 for the water resistance and 32GB storage. However, I just couldn't bring myself to bite the bullet at ~$300 with tax (plus no manual orientation/rotation is a possible con for my usage). This PW4 looks far more palatable particularly with the 25% trade-in promo discount. :D
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510Author: disconnected
511Date: 10-16-2018 10:58 AM
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513I'm underwhelmed, but I ordered one anyway.
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515I want a small waterproof ereader, I have forty-five dollars in trade-in credit, and I like buying ereaders. :o
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517It seems I will have to resign myself to the fact that nobody wants to make high-end ereaders in small form. In a more perfect world it would be smaller and lighter, it would have buttons, and it most definitely would have the comfort light.
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522Author: fjtorres
523Date: 10-16-2018 11:07 AM
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525Doubtful.
526Amazon readers are pared-down LINUX. (Started out as Debian-derived if I recall.)
527Less incentive for hackers so they don't get drawn into a war like Nook.
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532Author: fjtorres
533Date: 10-16-2018 11:08 AM
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535Any word on the CPU/RAM yet?
53632Gb storage won't be too useful if the firmware can't manage big accumulations.
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541Author: rcentros
542Date: 10-16-2018 11:10 AM
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544I only say this because someone — in another thread — mentioned that the newest software for a Kindle in China (maybe not the main Chinese Kindle branch), 6.x.x was Android. I certainly hope it's not Android.
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548[Post 56]
549Author: fjtorres
550Date: 10-16-2018 11:17 AM
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552Probably an urban legend. :)
553(Confusing Kindle with FIRE OS gadgetry.)
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555With all the talk of KINDLE glacial upgrade pace, they have no incentive to ditch a stable, small footprint codebase for...?
556On minimalist gadgetry getting as close to the metal is best and it's hard to get more minimalist than Kindles.
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558As of last year, they were still Linux:
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560https://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/kindle-root
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564[Post 57]
565Author: ZodWallop
566Date: 10-16-2018 11:22 AM
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568They could have called it, oh, I dunno... Voyage 2?:D
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572[Post 58]
573Author: GlennD
574Date: 10-16-2018 11:22 AM
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576Just a quick offtopic aside - if you bought it used did it come with an original sony charger? And is it simply not charging? I had a Sony reader that I thought was dead until I got an original Sony charger for it - in this case it was a Playstation Portable charger. That resolved the problem.
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581Author: ilovejedd
582Date: 10-16-2018 11:26 AM
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584That depends on content type. My manga (Japanese comics) averages around 80MB per volume so 32GB would barely fit ~400 of those. A piece of cake even for the PW3.
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588[Post 60]
589Author: rcentros
590Date: 10-16-2018 11:30 AM
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592I've got original chargers (both for the mini and micro USB Sonys). I'll try it, but the 350 uses a micrUSB charger, so it's not going to be the same as those who could use the PSP chargers. What it does is, if plugged in, is blink three times if I try to turn it on. Otherwise, no light ever. (Just remembered, I threw the battery away, anticipating getting a new one.) It still blinks three times without the battery when plugged in � I just found that out accidentally. :)
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596[Post 61]
597Author: fjtorres
598Date: 10-16-2018 11:32 AM
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600Which is why I'm asking: previous 32GB KINDLE models have been geared towards PDF and Manga, not Gutenberg-sized accumulations.
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604[Post 62]
605Author: Apache
606Date: 10-16-2018 11:34 AM
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608I have tried reading using blue light and do not like it. This feature is not for me.
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613[Post 63]
614Author: rcentros
615Date: 10-16-2018 11:35 AM
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617If suddenly, after all these years, I decided I wanted to buy a Paperwhite for delivery tomorrow (or the next day) — I just realized I couldn't get one. Well, not from Amazon anyhow. Best Buy is offering free one day delivery to my house. (I didn't know they did that.) I also just realized the Paperwhite's price jumped by $10, to match the Clara?
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619I finally found the old Paperwhite page. Not available. How long before they show up on Woot?
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624Author: rcentros
625Date: 10-16-2018 11:38 AM
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627Also just realized that (so far) they're not offering a white version of the new Paperwhite. I wonder if that will change?
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631[Post 65]
632Author: tomsem
633Date: 10-16-2018 11:40 AM
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635Finally, PMP support! But what happened to BMP support? ;)
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639[Post 66]
640Author: tomsem
641Date: 10-16-2018 11:44 AM
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643It supports invert black and white mode so I assume it is same as Oasis 2, or at least an update from previous models.
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647[Post 67]
648Author: Apparition B5
649Date: 10-16-2018 11:59 AM
650
651I'm seeing a lot of complaints elsewhere about the new Kindle Paperwhite not having a USB-C charger.  Can't say that I blame them.
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655[Post 68]
656Author: jhowell
657Date: 10-16-2018 12:45 PM
658
659Actually it is real. There is a Kindle X (https://the-digital-reader.com/2017/06/27/co-branded-kindle-x-migu-launches-china/) sold in China, which is a basic e-ink Kindle running a version Fire OS with two apps, a Kindle reader and a Migu reader. Migu is part of China Mobile and sells e-books and other media.
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661It seems to have been a one-off thing in order to include the Migu reading app and I doubt it performs very well. I strongly doubt that Amazon will be moving to Android for their mainstream Kindles.
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666Author: disconnected
667Date: 10-16-2018 12:46 PM
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669:)  Good point.
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673[Post 70]
674Author: Threepwood
675Date: 10-16-2018 12:51 PM
676
677I guess you are right. I wonder why. Amazon promotes Immersion Reading and the Kindle already supports Whispersync and Whispersync for Voice...
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681[Post 71]
682Author: ucfgrad93
683Date: 10-16-2018 12:51 PM
684
685I really like that it has a flush front.  I may just ask for this for Christmas.  I have a second generation Paperwhite but would like the higher resolution, waterproof, more storage in this model.
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689[Post 72]
690Author: jhowell
691Date: 10-16-2018 12:58 PM
692
693I assume it is a battery issue. Updating the e-ink screen to highlight each word as it is read would drain the battery very quickly.
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697[Post 73]
698Author: barryem
699Date: 10-16-2018 01:04 PM
700
701I never read in a dark room.  I sometimes do read at night on my front porch with no light, although it's not all that dark there.
702
703And yes, I like more and better features when they're features I'll use.  I can't really tell the difference in 212 ppi and 300 ppi on an ereader so that isn't an issue for me.
704
705When I first got my original Aura, which was my first Kobo, I thought I'd found the perfect reading device for me.  Then I began encountering it's bugs and the limitations of it's firmware.  Nothing major but just enough to take the edge off it's perfection.  If it had the reliability and feature set of the Kindles of that same time I doubt I'd have bought anything else after.  But i went back to the Kindle.
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707Barry
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711[Post 74]
712Author: ZodWallop
713Date: 10-16-2018 01:13 PM
714
715I agree with you on the PPI not really mattering, etc. I've also not found the shortcomings in the Kobo software you did and I really like the compact size while still having a 6" screen.
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717But the new Kindle looks nice to me and a little bit I'm just itching to try something new;)
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721[Post 75]
722Author: Tarana
723Date: 10-16-2018 01:30 PM
724
725So, it looks like the major features of the new Paperwhite is waterproof, more storage and Bluetooth access (a big plus for text-to-speech or Whispersync). Sure, there are other features, but these seem to be the 3 majors.
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727BarryEm, I never needed lighting either but the big thing now at all the doctor's offices is darker lighting so people can read their computers/tablets/phones.  I finally caved on that.
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731[Post 76]
732Author: Tarana
733Date: 10-16-2018 01:36 PM
734
735Same here, but my sister needs the waterproofing. It's always good to know what features you NEED.  
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737I need the text-to-speech regularly, but already have it on the Kindle 8 basic.  Lots of folks don't use that feature, so not important to them at all.  I just bought a second Voyage, so not in the market for a new Paperwhite, but it's cool the features they added.
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741[Post 77]
742Author: fjtorres
743Date: 10-16-2018 01:46 PM
744
745Mine died the same way.
746One day working, next morning kaput.
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750[Post 78]
751Author: AnimalOfArt
752Date: 10-16-2018 01:52 PM
753
754german article with hands-on video:
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756https://www.golem.de/news/neuer-kindle-paperwhite-im-hands-on-amazons-wasserdichter-e-book-reader-mit-planem-display-1810-137146.html
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760[Post 79]
761Author: rcentros
762Date: 10-16-2018 01:59 PM
763
764It's a good looking beast. I like the flush display (if, for no other reason, the dust doesn't build up). It does look a lot like a mix between a Voyage and a Paperwhite.
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768[Post 80]
769Author: rcentros
770Date: 10-16-2018 02:00 PM
771
772Did it turn out to be the battery ... or was that the end of it?
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776[Post 81]
777Author: lkmiller
778Date: 10-16-2018 02:21 PM
779
780I wish you could at least read and listen at the same time without the highlighting.
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784[Post 82]
785Author: Paperbackstash
786Date: 10-16-2018 02:22 PM
787
788Personally I'm thrilled!  While I was hoping for a comfort-light system, I haven't tried one and don't really know what I'm missing anyway. The Paperwhite screen has never bothered me.
789
790That said, my #1 wish was Waterproofing and I did not think they were going to add it to this newest Paperwhite. I'm delighted!
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792Second, I did want a more even bevel like the Voyage, which they have done.
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794Bluetooth isn't a big deal to me since I rarely listen to audio, but it's still a nice extra.
795
796All of this with only raising the price to $10 more is great, IMO
797
798I also need more room - I'm about out of room right now with only about 250 mb left. No idea when the 32 gb will be out but for the price difference I may go ahead and wait for that one.
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800I'm such a dork, but I'm curious about this new homepage too. That will be rolling out in weeks to older devices as well in updates.
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804[Post 83]
805Author: eDP
806Date: 10-16-2018 02:22 PM
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808Would have been nice to not worry about which way the charger lead plugs in.
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812[Post 84]
813Author: ilovejedd
814Date: 10-16-2018 02:31 PM
815
816Should be released at the same time, right? You can select the 32GB model when you click on Customize. I have the 32GB Wifi no special offers added to my cart and on checkout page, it says Estimated delivery: Nov. 7, 2018.
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820[Post 85]
821Author: ilovejedd
822Date: 10-16-2018 02:38 PM
823
824I was commenting on the not too useful statement. That depends on use.
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826
827That said, I expect this won't be jailbreakable out of the box. Without Calibre Kindle Collections/Librarian Sync, I shudder to imagine managing and browsing a Guternberg-sized library on this.
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831[Post 86]
832Author: Paperbackstash
833Date: 10-16-2018 03:01 PM
834
835Weird, when I looked earlier it wasn't listed, and an article said it would be announced within upcoming months. Maybe they were still rolling it out.
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839[Post 87]
840Author: eDP
841Date: 10-16-2018 03:09 PM
842
843LEDs are now located at the top of the display according to CNET.com -
844
845Paperwhite 4 Preview (https://www.cnet.com/reviews/amazon-kindle-paperwhite-2018-preview/)
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847"This new model has five LEDs for lighting the screen instead of four -- the LEDs are at the top of the device -- which adds a little brightness. "
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851[Post 88]
852Author: fjtorres
853Date: 10-16-2018 03:41 PM
854
855"It's dead, Jim. "
856Other than the LED nothing works.
857
858Screen was showing some fade so I didn't bother with an autopsy.
859The PB360 still lives but the screen perimeter shows serious fade. It looks like the early pre-Pearl screens were good for only 7-8 years.
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863[Post 89]
864Author: vrf
865Date: 10-16-2018 03:44 PM
866
867Not sure how moving them to the top improves brightness. It's the 5th LED that does that.
868
869Wouldn't it have made more sense to have the LEDs on the side edge of the device, like on the Oasis 2, so there's less light fall off over the distance of the coverage?
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873[Post 90]
874Author: fjtorres
875Date: 10-16-2018 03:45 PM
876
877FBREADER on 2GB Win10/ATOM doesn't even stutter.
878FBREADER on FIRE10 handles it fine.
879So it is doable even atop Android.
880Atop bare Linux it should be doable as long as there is enough RAM (1-2GB).
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884[Post 91]
885Author: ilovejedd
886Date: 10-16-2018 04:30 PM
887
888Not referring to hardware, rather to the software. Note the reference to jailbreaking and losing Calibre Kindle Collections/Librarian Sync support. I certainly wouldn't want to manage collections manually for my non-Amazon purchased content.
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892[Post 92]
893Author: robko
894Date: 10-16-2018 05:06 PM
895
896Yikes!  The original lit Nook did that and when Kobo and then Kindle followed adding lights they wisely moved them to the bottom because people complained about having to look at them when reading.  Interesting that they've gone back to the top.
897IMHO they are adding a 5th LED to try and even the light out and are marketing it as this great new feature to "increase brightness".  LACK of brightness hasn't been a complaint I've heard about any of the lit ereaders :smack:.
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901[Post 93]
902Author: rcentros
903Date: 10-16-2018 05:19 PM
904
905But then they might have had to have thicker bezels.
906
907(Is "have had to have" grammatical?)
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911[Post 94]
912Author: tubemonkey
913Date: 10-16-2018 06:03 PM
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915Let's see what the experts say :D
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921[Post 95]
922Author: rcentros
923Date: 10-16-2018 06:30 PM
924
925From the PC Magazine review ...
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929https://www.pcmag.com/news/364338/hands-on-with-the-new-waterproof-amazon-kindle-paperwhite?source=google-editors-picks
930
931So the new Paperwhite has also gotten rid of the glass substrate? (I thought they were talking about the outer layer.)
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935[Post 96]
936Author: j.p.s
937Date: 10-16-2018 07:19 PM
938
939It's only slightly lighter than the huge, metal backed, glass surfaced, 7" Oasis.
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941I think the substrate is still glass, so the year after the adjustable frontlight color, there will be a model with a plastic substrate.
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945[Post 97]
946Author: disconnected
947Date: 10-16-2018 07:49 PM
948
949And also only slightly lighter than the even more huge 8" Kobo Forma!
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953[Post 98]
954Author: Paperbackstash
955Date: 10-16-2018 08:06 PM
956
957This is true - The Paperwhite is certainly already bright enough. I wonder why they moved it back to the top?
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961[Post 99]
962Author: Tarana
963Date: 10-16-2018 08:34 PM
964
965My sis is really interested in this Paperwhite.  Do you think they will have Black Friday specials? She's not in a desperate hurry since she would be taking her older unit with her on vacation anyway.
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969[Post 100]
970Author: j.p.s
971Date: 10-16-2018 08:39 PM
972
973Which shows the advantage of a plastic substrate.
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977[Post 101]
978Author: SensualPoet
979Date: 10-16-2018 08:40 PM
980Thread Title: Yoohoo! What about Canada?
981
982I note this latest Paperwhite will be available for release on November 7th as well from Amazon Canada. But Audible is disabled, just as it is for $400 Oasis. Why is that? Audible Canada is a real thing. Why cripple the branded devices which deliver it?
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986[Post 102]
987Author: Paperbackstash
988Date: 10-16-2018 09:28 PM
989
990Silly question, but do you think some of the older Paperwhite cases will still fit the newer one since the shape and size are so similar? I'm not talking about Amazon official cases, but other designer cases. The ones I use leave the bottom open so moving the charging cables slightly shouldn't matter (although it seems they are still at the bottom so this is a moot point)
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994[Post 103]
995Author: eDP
996Date: 10-16-2018 09:44 PM
997
998Amazon Australia have now updated the list of supported formats:
999
1000"Kindle Format 8 (AZW3), Kindle (AZW), TXT, PDF, unprotected MOBI, PRC natively; HTML DOC, DOCX, JPEG, GIF, PNG, PMP through conversion"
1001
1002AAX has been removed, so definitely no Audible support for the Aussie version :angry:
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1006[Post 104]
1007Author: eDP
1008Date: 10-16-2018 09:50 PM
1009
1010Yeah it's the same with Australia.  Pretty stupid.
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1014[Post 105]
1015Author: robko
1016Date: 10-16-2018 10:10 PM
1017
1018Simple answer is probably licensing/rights and the $$ involved.  They obviously figure the cost of obtaining this exceeds the extra return they could get for having it available on the device in these countries.
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1022[Post 106]
1023Author: rcentros
1024Date: 10-16-2018 10:18 PM
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1026I'm guessing they'll have some kind of discount on Black Friday. I don't know if it will be as good a sale as they've been having on the 2015 Paperwhite the last few months.
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1030[Post 107]
1031Author: rcentros
1032Date: 10-16-2018 10:20 PM
1033
1034I didn't even know they did this. (Maybe I did at one time but, if so, I had forgotten it.) Sorry to hear it and I don't get it at all.
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1038[Post 108]
1039Author: stuartjmz
1040Date: 10-16-2018 10:39 PM
1041
1042At least they are making it available in Canada and Australia, even if somewhat feature-deprived. It's not available at all in Aotearoa/NZ😡😠
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1046[Post 109]
1047Author: eDP
1048Date: 10-16-2018 11:03 PM
1049
1050Want me to post you one?
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1054[Post 110]
1055Author: stuartjmz
1056Date: 10-16-2018 11:17 PM
1057
1058Thanks! Not yet, but my wife is keen to consider it when her PW 3 is due for replacing. Hopefully they'll find us before then :)
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1062[Post 111]
1063Author: pdurrant
1064Date: 10-17-2018 12:17 AM
1065
1066Your construction is correct.
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1070[Post 112]
1071Author: Quake1028
1072Date: 10-17-2018 05:28 AM
1073
1074Pre-ordered one immediately with the Marine Blue case. My only regret/hesitation is they don't have white available. Bummer.
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1078[Post 113]
1079Author: ren41
1080Date: 10-17-2018 07:19 AM
1081
1082the PW4 looks as though it has the Voyage case, minus (unfortunately) the page press areas. I wonder if it will have the same processor - or better - than the Voyage. I lost my Voyage last month while I was on holiday and first ordered a PW replacement, which I sent it back because, in addition to the weight and the heavy bezels (which I'd forgotten about) it was very slow compared to the Voyage. I bought a refurbished Voyage and also an Oasis, which I am still in two minds about. I don't like the form factor or how poor battery life is, but I do like the 7" screen, just enough to make it my primary Kindle.
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1086[Post 114]
1087Author: Paperbackstash
1088Date: 10-17-2018 08:32 AM
1089
1090Unfortunately I have a feeling it won't be much faster, if the speed changes at all. From what I understand it's mainly using the same hardware specs, although it'd be a nice surprise if it were quicker with the new release.
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1094[Post 115]
1095Author: eDP
1096Date: 10-17-2018 08:37 AM
1097
1098How do you find the display on the 7" Oasis compared to the Voyage? At one point I had both, then compared them side by side and found text on the Oasis wasn't as sharp, or as black.  Decided to only keep the Voyage (and have since picked up a 6" Oasis which I quite like).
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1102[Post 116]
1103Author: lkmiller
1104Date: 10-17-2018 08:38 AM
1105
1106I guess lights at the top explains the fat bezel there.  Nook 3 has them at the top, but you have to tip the reader really far to see them.  So they're not a problem at all when reading.  Although the Nook doesn't have a flush screen.
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1110[Post 117]
1111Author: BenG
1112Date: 10-17-2018 09:10 AM
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1114They seem to use it mainly on the premium readers.
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1118[Post 118]
1119Author: ZodWallop
1120Date: 10-17-2018 12:27 PM
1121
1122Isn't it funny that the premium readers get plastic first? Usually it would be the other way around.
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1124I do wonder if plastic substrate will become the norm with the next batch of e-ink screens?
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1128[Post 119]
1129Author: Shad Plante
1130Date: 10-17-2018 12:30 PM
1131
1132I think it has to do with the volume.  The premium ereaders ship fewer units so it is probably easier to deal with problems that crop up incorporating the new tech.
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1136[Post 120]
1137Author: j.p.s
1138Date: 10-17-2018 12:39 PM
1139
1140Plastic substrates are a premium feature because they are newish, more expensive, and add value (less fragile and lower weight, each a significant value). The 13" Sony readers have had them for years since at that size the added robustness and lower weight are even more important.
1141
1142Once yields and volumes are high enough, I don't see why glass substrates would not become obsolete. Maybe 400, 500, or 600 dpi is coming to glass substrates, so those would go to premium readers. But I would prefer plastic for e-ink.
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1146[Post 121]
1147Author: ZodWallop
1148Date: 10-17-2018 12:50 PM
1149
1150I understand. I was just being silly.
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1154[Post 122]
1155Author: 93terp
1156Date: 10-17-2018 02:57 PM
1157
1158This is exactly what's keeping me from upgrading to a 32GB Kindle (me eBook collection is at ~ 5,200, organized into about 10 collections).  Not having a decent Collections management system (without jailbreaking) is a deal-breaker.  I've looked at the options for Collections Management via Calibre and they are beyond daunting due to the complexity involved, IMHO. 
1159
1160I recently noticed on my Voyage that any collection larger than approximately 950 books won't allow anything to be added...SMH....:chinscratch::chinscratch:
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1164[Post 123]
1165Author: ilovejedd
1166Date: 10-17-2018 06:13 PM
1167
1168That's why I jumped on the PW3 32GB Manga deal on Woot a few months back (and even got myself a spare for backup). :thumbsup:
1169
1170I've got 3 jailbroken PW3s and another bricked PW3 (ebay used $40) which got that way when I was trying to jailbreak. :p
1171
1172I definitely want the waterproofing though, and already have a plan for working around its quirks. Basically, only manga and Amazon purchased ebooks will be stored permanently on the PW4 (not a huge library so manual collection management is doable). Sideloaded books will be download/copy-read-delete.
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1176[Post 124]
1177Author: blue_skies
1178Date: 10-17-2018 07:22 PM
1179
1180I am very disappointed in the new Kindle.  I have been hoping to replace my old Kindle Keyboard with a new Kindle for many years now.  I tried a Paperwhite a few years ago but the screens were blotchy. (I tried two and had to return them both due to poor screen quality.)
1181
1182I would prefer a screen that is larger than six inches and I won't buy one without an amber light option because I read at night, tend to have insomnia and have noticed a big improvement since my computer screen has been set to more amber tones.  I thought for sure the new Kindle will finally have one and I'm shocked and dismayed that it doesn't.
1183
1184Additionally, it's probably futile to hope that Kindle will ever have speakers again, but I do like that my Kindle Keyboard has them and wish they would include them again.  (I get migraines and like to use TTS without having to use earphones or earbuds.)
1185
1186I was also saddened to read that Amazon's Liquivista is dead.  I held the tiniest glimmer of hope that Amazon would eventually introduce a color eReader.  Is there any chance they could someday include a ClearInk screen?  That technology is still moving forward, isn't it?
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1194Lack of a 'comfort' light is a deal breaker for me.  When I turn on my non-comfort light eReader in the middle of the night, the light is glaring even at its lowest setting.
1195
1196I am happy for people who wanted waterproof, but that holds zero appeal for me.
1197
1198I like Amazon's software, but I may just have to give up on Kindle and buy another Android based eReader instead to get the features I need.  The upside is that Boyue and other brands tend to have much better specs for a lot less money it seems.
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1202[Post 125]
1203Author: Tarana
1204Date: 10-17-2018 08:26 PM
1205
1206BlueSkies, it's good that you point out features that are MISSING since they may very well be important to others. Blue light was not an issue for ME because I don't read at night in bed.  Many do. 
1207
1208I also like the speakers, and while I used to use either the Kindle Keyboard or Kindle Touch every day while washing dishes or doing laundry, my hearing has diminished to the point that I now have to use a Kindle Basic or the Fire with bluetooth speakers.  Given that most ereaders don't have TTS, those that do are probably also going to go the way of bluetooth.  So buy another old KK or Touch while you can.
1209
1210I looked up the Boyue ereader and the feature that nixed it for me was that it needed to be recharged after only 11 hours.  I only charge ereaders once or twice a month.  This would need nearly a daily charge. Otherwise, I agree, has some good features. I do like the larger page size.
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1214[Post 126]
1215Author: blue_skies
1216Date: 10-17-2018 09:03 PM
1217
1218Thank you for your post Tarana! :)
1219
1220I feel like I am part of a very small group who cares about having speakers.  I think the Boox Note has them, if I'm not mistaken, and that device ticked most of my preferences except the amber light option.
1221
1222The Boyue I bought a few years back is the T62+ which has a 6" screen and no comfort light or speakers... but its frontlight is extremely even and it was only around 100 dollars which was very inexpensive back then for those specs.  When I first got it the battery life was poor even though it has a large battery, probably because the operating system hadn't yet been optimized for an eReader.  Fortunately after the firmware was updated the battery life improved tremendously and I only have to charge it every couple weeks.  I wonder if the current Boyue model is having a similar issue and will improve with a firmware update?  I haven't looked at the features of current models lately because it always leaves me frustrated.
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1226[Post 127]
1227Author: Paperbackstash
1228Date: 10-17-2018 09:56 PM
1229
1230I'm bummed this new release doesn't work for you. :(  I'm one of those people who cared about waterproof, but I know it is useless for many readers. I did hope for the comfortlight and know it was probably the most requested feature - yes, I am surprised they didn't release it finally :chinscratch:  Not sure why they keep holding out on that.
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1234[Post 128]
1235Author: ilovejedd
1236Date: 10-17-2018 10:14 PM
1237
1238More likely than not, Amazon's reserving the feature for an Oasis update as a way to upsell.
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1240I know for me, I've been tempted to buy the Oasis 2 for waterproofing and 32GB a few times but the cons outweighed the pros so I never pulled the trigger.
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1244[Post 129]
1245Author: blue_skies
1246Date: 10-17-2018 10:48 PM
1247
1248Thank you Paperbackstash! It is weird that they didn't include the comfortlight that so many competing models have.  I am happy for you that they have the waterproof feature though. :) Are you planning to buy one?
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1252[Post 130]
1253Author: johnnyb
1254Date: 10-18-2018 12:58 AM
1255
1256Perhaps they don�t know how to do on par with more recent offerings from their competitors. 
1257Would not be surprised to learn that Amazon is ok falling behind in categories that they think they dominate.
1258Probably the best way to go is to get the new Paperwhite and then return it because it is underwhelming compared to other brands, which is definitely true. That should raise some flags. They care more about returns that bad reviews.
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1262[Post 131]
1263Author: ren41
1264Date: 10-18-2018 08:31 AM
1265
1266Actually on mine I think the Oasis text is nicer. I wish I could get a Frankenstein version of the two - 7" display with Voyage surround and page presses. I do prefer to soft touch finish of the Voyage, too.
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1270[Post 132]
1271Author: GlenBarrington
1272Date: 10-18-2018 08:33 AM
1273Thread Title: A Nice Enough Product, I think
1274
1275But is it enough to make me retire my PW2 and get one?  Not really.  When the PW2 dies, I might be interested, but I'd, 'fer sure', be interested in a 7 or 8 inch PW 5
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1279[Post 133]
1280Author: ren41
1281Date: 10-18-2018 08:33 AM
1282
1283that's pretty disappointing if so.
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1287[Post 134]
1288Author: ZodWallop
1289Date: 10-18-2018 09:06 AM
1290
1291Why not just buy a Kobo Forma (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Kobo-Forma/274436858)? That seems to tick all your boxes and it can be ordered from Walmart.
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1294
1295I can't start calling color changing e-reader lights comfort light as that is what Kobo has called their lighting system on all their e-readers since they were introduced (the color changing light is now called Comfort Light Pro which sounds even sillier to me).
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1299[Post 135]
1300Author: Paperbackstash
1301Date: 10-18-2018 09:53 AM
1302
1303Yes, I did pre-order. :)  I have an ancient Fire that I reserve for color books and comics, but the Paperwhite I currently have is my #1 reading device for e-books. I'm a huge bathtub reader and I almost went for the Oasis a few times, but there was a lot holding me back from splurging on that, so this as an upgrade for me makes perfect sense. Since I subscribe to Unlimited and this will give me six months free of it, it helps with making up some of the cost that way as well.
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1305Still, I realize upgrading doesn't make sense for everyone if this new release doesn't have features that work for the person. I didn't expect Waterproof so that was a surprise.
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1309[Post 136]
1310Author: Paperbackstash
1311Date: 10-18-2018 09:54 AM
1312
1313True, as I do find the Paperwhite a bit slow when I'm in the random mood to browse my library.
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1317[Post 137]
1318Author: blue_skies
1319Date: 10-18-2018 04:00 PM
1320
1321That's great! :)
1322
1323I am definitely considering the Kobo Forma.  I hadn't heard of it until last night but have since watched a couple video reviews.  I like the library Overdrive integration, although my library wish lists are so huge it may be much easier to just search on my desktop and then just borrow from there like I always have.  I'm also a little wary of the asymmetrical case and wish it had buttons on each side.  Do you know how the Kobo firmware compares to Kindle?  Does it have nice dictionary integration?  Anything like X-ray?  I do like that it can be purchased at Walmart in case I get one with a bad screen or something and have to return it.
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1327[Post 138]
1328Author: ZodWallop
1329Date: 10-18-2018 05:54 PM
1330
1331I've had a Kobo for a few years. But have only played a little with relatives Kindles.
1332
1333Kobo's software is very customizable. Lots of people like it out of the box, but if there's something you don't like, it can most likely be tweaked.
1334
1335Kobo uses something called Font Genius that gives control that is superior to Kindle. Font size, line spacing and margins are handled with sliders rather than preassigned set points like Kindle.
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1337
1338
1339The dictionary function is about the same for both. You highlight a word and choose a dictionary definition. However, Kindle's dictionary (The Oxford Dictionary of English) is top of the line. Kobo's dictionary (I forget which one it uses) has worked fine for me when I've needed it, but even the most ardent Kobo fan will admit Kindle has a better dictionary.
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1341
1342
1343No. The do have (or had?) a feature called Beyond the Book, but it doesn't work with sideloaded books (though neither does X-Ray). All my books are sideloaded, so I wouldn't be able to use either.
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1347[Post 139]
1348Author: Barty
1349Date: 10-18-2018 06:06 PM
1350
1351There are dozens of us!!
1352
1353I miss the kindle keyboard with its dual (!) speakers and TTS. It's sad that the new kindles have a much better TTS voice but no TTS interface. You have to use the Voice view feature which is really a screen reader meant for the blind. I tried using voice view a couple of times but it was so clunky I couldn't be bothered.
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1355Such is progress.
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1359[Post 140]
1360Author: rcentros
1361Date: 10-18-2018 06:23 PM
1362
1363I don't use TTS much but, a couple times, when reading on my Kindle 3, I've used the feature when my eyes were tired but I wanted to finish a chapter. I mostly followed along even though it was reading to me. (Immersive reading?) At any rate, I don't use the feature much, but I like that it's there.
1364
1365Meant to add ... also agree with your assessment of Voice View. It's kind of clunky for those who can see. I can understand, however, why it would great for the blind. But it does let you listen to non-TTS enabled books.
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1369[Post 141]
1370Author: davidfor
1371Date: 10-18-2018 08:42 PM
1372
1373The guy in the big hat answered the other points, but, the Kobo integration is such that when you have the connection between your Kobo and OD accounts, you can borrow using OD web site or app or Libby, and the book will sync to the device. Borrowing on the device is convenient, but, I'm not a fan of using the store on it unless I know exactly what I am after.
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1377[Post 142]
1378Author: John F
1379Date: 10-19-2018 04:45 AM
1380
1381Just to nitpick... to me, it looks like they both use sliders with preassigned points for font size and weight (although I believe the Kobo's have more "points").
1382
1383Kindles only have three choices for line spacing and margins.
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1387[Post 143]
1388Author: davidfor
1389Date: 10-19-2018 05:18 AM
1390
1391For the record, there are:
1392
1393- 24 font sizes
1394- 15 line spacings
1395- 8 margin sizes
1396
1397Tolino is similar to Kindle. Whenever look at their setup, it just feels lacking. Even though I really only use a coupe of the settings in my Kobos.
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1401[Post 144]
1402Author: John F
1403Date: 10-19-2018 05:30 AM
1404
1405And I believe Kindles have 14 font sizes and 5 boldness settings (firmware 5.9.7, which is relatively current).
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1409[Post 145]
1410Author: lkmiller
1411Date: 10-19-2018 09:05 AM
1412
1413I mainly read on my Kobo and haven't noticed Kindle having a better dictionary.  But that may be because you can Google it if needed.  I definitely miss that on Kindle.
1414
1415I love the library integration on my Kobo Aura One.  I always browse on a computer (or my phone) and then sync to the Kobo.  I don't like shopping on any E-ink device.
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1419[Post 146]
1420Author: ZodWallop
1421Date: 10-19-2018 09:16 AM
1422
1423The Kindle does have a better dictionary. They use the OED. I forget what dictionary Kobo uses, but it's not as thorough. You can search through the Kobo forums. There are discussions of the different dictionaries.
1424
1425Having said all that, I've never found the Kobo dictionary lacking. It's not like their dictionary is junk.
1426
1427It's a feature I rarely ever use. When I have used it, it hasn't let me down. There are different reasons I might try a Kindle, but their better dictionary wouldn't be one of them.
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1429When you say "I definitely miss that on Kindle" what are you talking about? That sentence lost me.
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1433[Post 147]
1434Author: shalym
1435Date: 10-19-2018 09:24 AM
1436
1437I believe that she meant that Kindles can't look things up on google from within the book.  
1438
1439Shari
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1443[Post 148]
1444Author: ZodWallop
1445Date: 10-19-2018 09:38 AM
1446
1447Ah, thank you. I didn't know they ever could. As mentioned, my Kindle experience is limited.
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1451[Post 149]
1452Author: 93terp
1453Date: 10-19-2018 10:29 AM
1454
1455Totally agree.  The ability to easily manage collections, IMHO, gives Kobo the nod over Kindle.  And I've had/used many versions of both ereaders and I find that I keep coming back to Kobo specifically for/because of the collections management ease of use.
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1459[Post 150]
1460Author: blue_skies
1461Date: 10-19-2018 10:43 AM
1462
1463Thank you for reminding me of another issue that frustrated me when I tried the Paperwhite a couple years ago.  I hated the limited font options.  I remember adding a FONT_RAMP file for additional font sizes, but that only worked with books in the AZW3 format.  
1464
1465If I buy a Kobo I too would sideload all my books because they are almost all purchased on Amazon.  Does Beyond the Book work for library books though?  That might be nice.
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1467
1468I'm glad to know I'm not alone in wishing for speakers again.  It's unfortunate we can't take advantage of the much better TTS voice on the newer models.  Is there anyway to update the TTS voice on the Kindle Keyboard? (Without jailbreaking?)
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1470
1471Oh, that's good to know. :) 
1472
1473
1474Right now I am using WordNet for my dictionary and it works pretty well and displays nicely, but I don't think it's as thorough as the Oxford English dictionary.  The OED is a nice Kindle feature, though it's not nice enough to make me overlook everything the new Kindle lacks.
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1478[Post 151]
1479Author: jackie_w
1480Date: 10-19-2018 10:55 AM
1481
1482I don't think Beyond the Book even exists anymore.
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1486[Post 152]
1487Author: ZodWallop
1488Date: 10-19-2018 11:01 AM
1489
1490Thanks for that. I thought it had died on the vine, but couldn't confirm either way. I've never used it.
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1494[Post 153]
1495Author: rcentros
1496Date: 10-19-2018 12:58 PM
1497
1498I believe Kobo (and Nook) both use the Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (for English). (At least my Nook Simple Touch and Kobo Touch use it.) But, unlike the Nook, the Kobo doesn't give you synonyms or word origins. So the NST is more complete.
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1502[Post 154]
1503Author: tomsem
1504Date: 10-19-2018 06:30 PM
1505
1506Kindle Store has quite a number of dictionaries that you can purchase that function as lookup and translation dictionaries, if the ones that come with Kindle seem insufficient. I don�t think that is an option with either Nook or Kobo ecosystems.
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1510[Post 155]
1511Author: Arbait
1512Date: 10-20-2018 06:15 AM
1513
1514I have Kobo Aura One from the beginning, it works perfectly, but I ordered KP4 because 6 inch is the perfect size for mobile reading in the bathtub and at the beach. Dreaming of a 4 ich waterproof ereader...
1515(here on Cies island...)
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1520[Post 156]
1521Author: lkmiller
1522Date: 10-20-2018 11:12 AM
1523
1524Yeah, not disputing whether it's a better dictionary -- just that I don't notice myself.  I was saying this may very well be because on Kobo you can do a Google search (or search Wikipedia, or search within the book) for the highlighted word(s) if the dictionary entry leaves you wanting to know more.  And I miss that when I'm reading on my Kindle.
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1528[Post 157]
1529Author: lkmiller
1530Date: 10-20-2018 11:26 AM
1531
1532Ah, I was talking about Overdrive library books.  Since I read on Kobo, Kindle, and Nook, all my ebook organization is done in calibre.  All I can say about collection management on an ereader is that the original Nook was horrible!  Since then, I haven't really paid attention.  Good to know that Kobo does it well if I ever wanted to.
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1536[Post 158]
1537Author: Sirtel
1538Date: 10-20-2018 02:24 PM
1539
1540While you can't do a Google search, you can search Wikipedia (or within the book, or within the entire library) on a Kindle as well.
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1544[Post 159]
1545Author: ilovejedd
1546Date: 10-20-2018 03:43 PM
1547
1548Yeah, that's one feature I really appreciate. One of the few things the Kindle does better than my tablet. I don't believe even Calibre has a full text search function at the moment (albeit I believe there was a Linux plugin or one that requires an external app?).
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1550Right now, I convert all my ebooks to plain text and use Notepad++ � Find in files when I need to do bulk searches within ebook text.
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1554[Post 160]
1555Author: Sarmat89
1556Date: 10-20-2018 08:44 PM
1557
1558Pretty expensive for such a budget model without a memory card and all the hassle it takes to put the books outside of the market.
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1562[Post 161]
1563Author: kcladyz
1564Date: 10-20-2018 09:10 PM
1565
1566why so many threads on the same topic?
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1570[Post 162]
1571Author: rcentros
1572Date: 10-20-2018 09:59 PM
1573
1574It's priced pretty much where bottom of the line, front-lit readers are priced. And it has waterproof and has Bluetooth capabilities. No mainline readers have SD card slots now. And "outside of the market" books works both ways. A lot of people buy their books from Amazon and convert them for ePub readers. 
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1578Two?
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1582[Post 163]
1583Author: Shad Plante
1584Date: 10-20-2018 10:10 PM
1585
1586It is only a hassle if there is DRM.  Loading the free Tor.com ebookclub books or books from sites that have DRM-free mobis is pretty easy.
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1590[Post 164]
1591Author: stuartjmz
1592Date: 10-21-2018 12:11 AM
1593
1594Just curious, what exactly make it a "budget model"? It has waterproofing, bluetooth and now a range of storage options (SD cards are history everywhere it seems). Unless "budget model" simply means "6-inch model" I'd say it's actually a premium 6-inch reader, and I'm a Kobo Clara user.
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1598[Post 165]
1599Author: Josieb1
1600Date: 10-21-2018 01:34 AM
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1602I think the price is very good. It�s a bottom end e-reader with very good specs. Nothing �expensive� about it.
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1606[Post 166]
1607Author: stuartjmz
1608Date: 10-21-2018 02:00 AM
1609
1610"bottom-end" "with very good specs" - sorry to be repetitive, but this also to me sounds like the definition of "bottom-end" in this case is purely size - it's small, ergo it's bottom end. That seems strange to me.
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1614[Post 167]
1615Author: lkmiller
1616Date: 10-21-2018 08:12 AM
1617
1618Yup, just the Google search I miss.  Wikipedia on its own isn't always enough.  I use search within the book a lot in both, but don't think I've ever had a need to use Kindle's search within the entire library feature.
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1622[Post 168]
1623Author: stuartjmz
1624Date: 10-21-2018 08:15 AM
1625
1626I have, and I'm sure I'll miss it now I've left the Amazon. For Wodehouse, Pratchett, Allingham, Ngaio Marsh  and others when I know I've seen a particular word or phrase in ONE of the books but can't remember WHICH, the Kindle feature was invaluable
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1630[Post 169]
1631Author: fjtorres
1632Date: 10-21-2018 10:09 AM
1633
1634Yeah, true "bottom-end" (properly, entry-level) ereaders are, like the Basic Kindle, purely reflective, SVGA, without backlight or maybe touch.
1635
1636The Paperwhite line is really a mid-range reader, following the classic marketing rules of Good--better--best.
1637
1638On the Kindle side this is easily seen as (Basic) Kindle--Paperwhite--Oasis.
1639On the Kobo side it's Clara--Aura--Forma.
1640Pocketbook it's Basic, Lux, Touch, etc.
1641
1642What might be confusing people is that Kobo's "entry level" Clara is configured like a Paperwhite as their sales volumes can't really support a true entry level reader like Amazon's, Pocketbook, and most of the european vendors. Instead, their strategy is to offer added features at higher prices and defining their midrange and premium models by size. It's a good approach for smaller vendors...
1643...with the downside that they are effectively surrendering the true entry level, which impacts their bookstore and publisher appeal.
1644
1645(shrug)
1646
1647Kobo has bigger competitive issues than a lack of a US$50 reader for newcomers and gifting.
1648Mainstream visibility and partner reliability among them.
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1652[Post 170]
1653Author: stuartjmz
1654Date: 10-21-2018 10:26 AM
1655
1656I'm never going to buy this formula, because it's still basically a straight line of size that says, bigger is better, and biggest is, ipso facto, best. I think of it more as covering different marketing niches. Try sticking an 8-inch reader in your pocket. For me, if readers offer similar features and differ only in screen size, then they are of equivalent quality, just in different categories.
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1660[Post 171]
1661Author: s4nder
1662Date: 10-21-2018 10:41 AM
1663
1664Tiny screen, massive bezels, no night light. Kobo is running circles around them.
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1668[Post 172]
1669Author: fjtorres
1670Date: 10-21-2018 11:14 AM
1671
1672Different strokes for different folks.
1673But the marketers always dream of nudging folks to more expensive models and for some people bigger = better.
1674
1675(I had a co-worker who bought his cars by the ton. Proudly.
1676When they stopped building full size read drive cars, he went for the biggest SUV around. :) )
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1680[Post 173]
1681Author: John F
1682Date: 10-21-2018 11:48 AM
1683
1684Isn't Kobo's entry level reader the Kobo Aura (2nd ed)?  
1685
1686It should be Aura, Clara, Aura One, Forma.
1687
1688Or are you saying that the Aura and Clara are so close in price that no one would consider purchasing the Aura and just purchase the Clara?
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1690At Walmart (U.S.), the Prices for the Kobos are: $100, $130 (out of stock), $254, and $279
1691
1692For Amazon (U.S.) the Kindle prices (with special offers, wifi only): $80, $130, $269
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1696[Post 174]
1697Author: ZodWallop
1698Date: 10-21-2018 11:59 AM
1699
1700Kobo has three pages of free installable dictionaries. By default, my Kobo set for English has English, German-English, Spanish-English, French-English, Italian-English and Portuguese-English. If you want more there are pages and pages of English-whatever dictionaries you can add with the touch of a button.
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1704[Post 175]
1705Author: John F
1706Date: 10-21-2018 12:02 PM
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1708I forgot the Kobo H2O2 for $180.
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1712[Post 176]
1713Author: ZodWallop
1714Date: 10-21-2018 12:04 PM
1715
1716I agree with you completely. Just, since I was talking to a Kindle user unfamiliar with Kobo, I wanted to be clear. If Kobo started using the OED today, it wouldn't impact me as I rarely use the dictionary. But to others, maybe it matters a great deal.
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1718
1719
1720That's good to know. I didn't know Kindle couldn't do a Google search.
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1722I'm realizing that on my reader I rarely use most features. There's stuff you guys talk about on here (Wikipedia and Google search, highlighting and notes, etc) that I wouldn't miss if it was taken away.
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1724We all use our readers for the same purpose, but we sure manage to use them in different ways.
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1728[Post 177]
1729Author: ZodWallop
1730Date: 10-21-2018 12:08 PM
1731
1732Kindle is the 800 pound gorilla in the e-reader market. A new Kindle is going to generate a lot of conversation.
1733
1734And as a Kobo user who is unlikely to move to Kindle, I have to say good on Amazon. The new Paperwhite looks like a very nice upgrade in my opinion. They've managed to make the Paperwhite almost as nice as the Voyage (nicer in some ways: double the storage, waterproofing and Bluetooth) for a much cheaper price.
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1739Author: mathil
1740Date: 10-21-2018 12:10 PM
1741
1742Sorry, are there any numbers available about this? How is Kobo a "small vendor" :blink: and who sells more ereaders than Kobo in Europe, with the exception of Amazon? I'm genuinely confused. 
1743Either way, Kobo used to produce entry level ereaders until not long ago. My bet is that they simply decided that diversifying their offer based on screen size would make them more competitive with Amazon than trying to compete on a device-to-device basis. Amazon were forced to adapt not long ago, so I assume that must have worked.
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1747[Post 179]
1748Author: jackie_w
1749Date: 10-21-2018 12:10 PM
1750
1751... plus there's a dedicated Kobo thread with links to various custom dictionaries built by MR members.
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1755[Post 180]
1756Author: ZodWallop
1757Date: 10-21-2018 12:13 PM
1758
1759A six inch screen is tiny? That's the standard size for all e-reader companies. They might make different sizes as well, but their bread and butter readers are six inch. Lots of people (myself included) don't want a larger screen.
1760
1761I don't understand the knee-jerk antipathy to bezels. You have to be able to hold the thing.
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1765[Post 181]
1766Author: ZodWallop
1767Date: 10-21-2018 12:20 PM
1768
1769I think of the $130, six-inch reader (the Paperwhite, Clara HD and Glowlight 3) as the Honda Accord or Toyota Camry. They're the midrange models that work for most people.
1770
1771For Kobo, the 'basic' reader would be the Aura 2nd Edition.
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1773For Kobo there's the Aura2, Clara HD, Aura H2O, Aura One and Forma. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Aura One phased out to be replaced by the Forma. They seem too similar. At least the H2O has a unique screen size.
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1777[Post 182]
1778Author: ZodWallop
1779Date: 10-21-2018 12:27 PM
1780
1781Oh, sure. Kobo is wonderfully customizable. I was just replying to post #154 (https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3762639&postcount=154)
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1783
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1785Not only does Kobo have them, they're free!
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1789[Post 183]
1790Author: rcentros
1791Date: 10-21-2018 01:46 PM
1792
1793Same here. And I like page turn buttons. If I can "train" my eyes to like front-lit eReaders, the Nook Glowlight 3 would still probably be my first choice. I don't care that much about the infrastructure or store (with Calibre it's really not that big of a deal) and I only usually carry 20 (or so) books on a reader at a time, so the shelf issue is not that big of a deal to me. So long as the reading software (itself) works pretty well, I think I would be happy. All reports seem to indicate that the Glowlight 3's screen (itself) is pretty nice.
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1797[Post 184]
1798Author: fjtorres
1799Date: 10-21-2018 02:00 PM
1800
1801The Aura is "last year's model" no?
1802Leftovers superceded by this year's Clara intro.
1803It gets muddy if you count everything floating around. Last I looked there were still Kindle DXs, Sony T1s, and Nook STRs, allegedly new, floating around.
1804
1805As to Kindle prices, those are the official ones.
1806But the Basic Kindle goes on sale to $50 like clockwork, 4-6 times a year. 
1807(Valentine's, Mother's day, Prime Day, Back to School, Black Friday, after xmas, and pretty much every time Bezos sneezes.)
1808 Even the new PW4 is expected to drop a bit in the next few weeks.
1809
1810Here:
1811
1812http://www.aftvnews.com/amazon-device-buyers-guide-updated-and-early-black-friday-2018-price-predictions/
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1814
1815
1816I'm mildly interested in the PW4. But in no rush.
1817If it hits $99 I might bite. Or "wait til next year!"
1818 (There's a lot of that going around right now, usually with some sobs!) ;)
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1822[Post 185]
1823Author: John F
1824Date: 10-21-2018 03:11 PM
1825
1826I think you are exaggerating. :).
1827
1828The Aura 2ed was and is there entry level, I think.  By your logic, since the Paperwhite 4 was just released,  doesn't that make the Kindle basic "last year's model"?*
1829
1830*I did a Google on "wiki Kindle" and it said the Kindle 8/basic was released in 2016.
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1834[Post 186]
1835Author: rcentros
1836Date: 10-21-2018 03:20 PM
1837
1838Except the Aura is still being sold new by Kobo (on their website) and by Walmart � so that's a completely different deal than finding a random new Kindle DX, Sony T1 or Nook Simple Touch reader online somewhere.
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1842[Post 187]
1843Author: fjtorres
1844Date: 10-21-2018 03:53 PM
1845
1846Yes, it's new.
1847So are the DX's that Amazon itself coughs up from time to time.
1848Those aren't refurbs or third party sales.
1849
1850You've been around a while so you know how these gadgets are built by China, Inc, right? They contract for a specific lot size, the assembly lines configured, and they crank them out. Then the assembly lines are configured for another product. Whatever were in that one run is usually *all* there ever will be unless the customer orders a second or third run.
1851
1852Now, the Auras when were they introduced? At what price?
1853Who were they aimed at?
1854What manufacturing date do they carry?
1855If you order one today, will they say june 2018, june 2017, or even older?
1856The question is, why would Kobo intentionally undercut their brand new Clara model by ordering more of the older model to sell for just a few bucks less? As you said, who'd prefer an Aura to a Clara? If the price diferential were bigger it would make sense but it's not big enough.
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1858Kobo seems like a well run company, unlike Nook, so the logical assumption is the Auras are the last of last year's has batch still useful, still desirable, but priced to move. They weren't *meant* to be entry level when they were built. They may be previously unsold but if they come from a lot built before the Clara, they're leftovers. Doesn't mean they're not good readers but there simply isn't enough difference between them and the Clara in features and especially in price. From a marketing standpoint they overlap too much because they were both designed for the same customer.
1859
1860Now, the basic Kindle might be leftovers, but there have been several instances since 2016, when it has gone out of stock at Amazon, sparking rumors of a new model, but a few weeks later another slow boat from China docks and the Basic Kindle is back in stock, just in time for the next big sale. Amazon sees no reason to launch a new design for the entry level. They really have little competition in the $50-80 price point. And there is plenty of design difference to justify the price jump from the Basic Kindle to the PW, which is what good marketing prefers.
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1862Edit: Mind you, this is just marketing talk. 
1863I have no problem buying closeouts or refurbs. Buying last year tech is a good money saving strategy for consumers. Like buying TVs in the spring after the new models have been announced but before they show up. Easy to find good deals that way.
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1867[Post 188]
1868Author: rcentros
1869Date: 10-21-2018 04:50 PM
1870
1871I get your main point, but I don't think there's been a Kindle DX (sold by Amazon) in three or four years. I can still buy an Aura (Edition 2) from Kobo (or even down the street at Walmart and pick it up today). I know there hasn't been a Sony Personal Reader (PRS) sold by Sony in at least four (probably five) years. So whether it's the last half of a boatload of Auras, or new batch, it's immaterial � they're still new, they still have full warranties and they're still being sold by Kobo. Ditto with Kindle Basics (Gen 8) or Voyages. If they're still in their lineup, they're still in their lineup. (Like the Kindle Touch was for a couple years after the first Paperwhite came out.) 
1872
1873As it stands, at $99 (via Walmart) the Aura is closer to the Kindle Basic as "low end." The Paperwhite, Glowlight 3 and Clara are mid-range. The Forma, Oasis, Voyage Aura One, Aura H20 are at various levels of high end. Maybe the Voyage and H20 could be thought of as "upper middle class" � though the Voyage was once Kindle's high-end. In the Tolino, you have the Page (low-end, competes with the Kindle Basic), the Shine 3, competes with the Clara, Paperwhite and Glowlight 3 � the Vision 4, competes with the Voyage and H20 and the Epos, which would be their high end (Oasis, Forma and Aura One). Of course nothing fits exactly, but $130 for the Paperwhite 4 is not out of range ... unless you want to get into the $20 to remove ads which, for those who must removes ads, is an important consideration. 
1874
1875I'm rambling. Sorry.
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1879[Post 189]
1880Author: ZodWallop
1881Date: 10-21-2018 05:32 PM
1882
1883The $20 Amazon charges to remove ads feels like such a screw job and puts me off buying any of their tech.
1884
1885The Paperwhite 4 looks very nice. But it's priced about the same as the Glowlight 3 and Clara HD and they don't have ads.
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1889[Post 190]
1890Author: Sirtel
1891Date: 10-21-2018 06:06 PM
1892
1893I have used it several times too. I read a lot of series (mostly fantasy and sf) and sometimes I need to refresh my memory about a character or a place first mentioned in an earlier book. It would not be particularly useful when reading about characters or places with contemporary names (it's pretty pointless to search the entire library for John or Will or London or Paris :D), but it works well with fantasy names, and sometimes with historical fiction too.
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1897[Post 191]
1898Author: fjtorres
1899Date: 10-21-2018 06:18 PM
1900
1901Not a problem.
1902Clean exchanges are fun.
1903
1904About the Basic Kindle, try this:
1905
1906If a product spends two thirds of its time selling at price A and a third of the time selling at Price B, you would be inclined to say its real world price (rather than list) is A. But if the product actually sells 60-70% of its units at Price B, wouldn't its real world price be closer to B than to A? Especially when the "promotional" Price B shows up at predictable times?
1907
1908 Amazon is a fun outfit to watch because they're tricky and play all sorts of games, especially with pricing. Everybody knows they practice variable pricing yet few actually consider what it means. For the Kindle Basic it means they can legally get away with claiming the $50 price is a sale price and the $80-100 price is the "regular" price while most of the sales come at the lower point. There's few knowledgeable folk that would even try to argue that a Kindle Basic at $80 is a fair value. But then, knowledgeable folk know to wait for one of the regularly scheduled sales so Amazon gets to eat their cake and have it too. The unwary/price-insensitive pay the higher price. Those that do their homework will find the reviews that say "wait for the sale". And they get away with it because there is no competition at either price point because there isn't much profit in selling ereader hardware at those prices. Maybe $5 if the teardown estimates can be trusted.
1909
1910But $5 is $5 and their main goal isn't just to make money off the hardware but to entice readers into their ecosystem. And once they do that they get to sell books, videos, subscriptions of all kinds. Or dry goods. Which is the purpose of the ads. If they get even one click through a year, they're home free. And typically they do better than that.
1911
1912It's what makes them so effective: they're upfront and low key.
1913You know they want to sell you stuff. And sooner or later, you'll want to buy stuff. :)
1914
1915Or not.
1916But there's plenty of folk that do. And their entry level products like Basic Kindle, Echo Dot, AmazonBasics cables and batteries, are all part of the ecosystem draw. 
1917
1918Looking at individual items in a vacuum doesn't tell the whole story; there's always something else. Like: entry level the Basic Kindle may be, but it supports Audible. So it's not just an ebook storefront; it also sell audiobooks. And ebook/audiobook bundles.
1919
1920To some people that matters.
1921To Amazon it does: the basic got the feature before Paperwhite.
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1925[Post 192]
1926Author: Gardenman
1927Date: 10-21-2018 06:59 PM
1928
1929:thumbsup:
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1933[Post 193]
1934Author: stuartjmz
1935Date: 10-21-2018 07:15 PM
1936
1937[QUOTE=Gardenman;3763500]
1938
1939Have another:thumbsup:  - The Forma/Oasis shape may be all the rave, with "tiny" 6 inch screen being belittled and derided,  but the simple bezels of the Kindle/Clara type devices are fine with me. And with my 85 yr old Dad. We'd introduced him to Kindle via the app on his tablet, but it's lack of bezels made reading on the app very awkward for him. He's spending many hours a day immersed in his (formerly my) PW.
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1943[Post 194]
1944Author: DuckieTigger
1945Date: 10-22-2018 01:40 AM
1946
1947I don't think Amazon managed it, they simply thus declared it so. The only $10 price increase compared to the old PW does not justify the upgrades. But making it a tiny bit more expensive shows that the PW is a different reader now. Amazon is again competing with price to undercut competitors.
1948
1949Soon the features of the PW4 is going to be the mainstream 6" reader and others have to match it. The Clara 2 when it comes out next year will have to add water proofing to stay competetive with the PW. Amazon OTOH can sell their readers without color changing leds, because non of their premium readers ever had them. Kobo cannot afford to introduce the next reader without color changing leds, because they promoted them as necessary.
1950
1951PW4 is a Voyage with a smaller profit margin. Hardware wise the missing buttons and light sensor probably save enough money to add waterproofing. Realistically it should be more expensive. Add in the plastic screen substrate, and you have Kobo Forma top end model feature in an entry level lighted reader. That is also an upgrade from the Voyage with glass substrate.
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1955[Post 195]
1956Author: stuartjmz
1957Date: 10-22-2018 01:48 AM
1958
1959The plastic substrate is definitely a big pus, as is the option of different storage capacities, since it seems SD cards are dead. I'd love it if Kobo matched these features, don't care about the waterproofing. Which may be ironic, given that I'm about to buy an H2O2 :)
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1963[Post 196]
1964Author: John F
1965Date: 10-22-2018 03:06 AM
1966
1967According to Wiki, the Aura 2nd Ed was released in Sept 2016.  And just to reiterate, the Kindle Basic was released in June 2016.
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1971[Post 197]
1972Author: GlenBarrington
1973Date: 10-22-2018 07:29 AM
1974
1975My PW2's ads are not the least bit intrusive or irritating, and they are always book/reading related.
1976
1977BUT
1978
1979I bought my wife a 10" fire tablet with ads to replace a wonderful 8" Lenovo that she treated badly, and it drives me insane when I see it.  Those ads are 10 inches of color and bad art (So Far, games aimed at 11 year old boys).  She claims it doesn't bother her, she just ignores them, but I hate them, just hate them.
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1983[Post 198]
1984Author: Byjuak
1985Date: 10-22-2018 07:29 AM
1986
1987I like it, I think I will get it after Christmas after reading some reviews.
1988
1989Still no word on CPU/RAM? Faster indexing but seemless page transition would be most satisfactory with long-term reading.
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1994Author: murraypaul
1995Date: 10-22-2018 09:29 AM
1996
1997But much worse (fewer definitions) than the paid-for Amazon ones, at least for the one I tried (English-German). I would welcome the ability to buy the Amazon dictionary for a Kobo.
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2001[Post 200]
2002Author: ZodWallop
2003Date: 10-22-2018 01:51 PM
2004
2005I hope so. Waterproofing AND color changing frontlight would finally prompt me to update my Aura. Each feature sounds nice individually, but neither is enough for me to justify replacing a reader I'm otherwise happy with.
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2007
2008
2009
2010I don't know about that. Have you read the comments here? Will you buy the Amazon Kindle Paperwhite 4? (https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/will-you-buy-the-amazon-kindle-paperwhite-4)
2011
2012I know, I know. A self selective example. But if next cycle Kobo has a 6" reader with waterproofing, color changing light and direct access to Overdrive and Amazon introduces a new Paperwhite with only slightly tuned-up internals, they are going to take a beating in all the reviews.
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2017Author: ZodWallop
2018Date: 10-22-2018 01:58 PM
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2020As Gary Coleman so wisely taught us, diff'rent strokes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff%27rent_Strokes) for different folks. Whenever I look at someone's Kindle and see the ad in place of a screensaver, I think bad thoughts about Amazon. It's like, each time I see that Amazon is saying "yeah, we kinda suck."
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2022
2023
2024What's important is, we both hate:)
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2029Author: stuartjmz
2030Date: 10-22-2018 02:01 PM
2031
2032I have owned 3 Kindles and always bought the ad-free version, because I too am a hater :D. The fact the Clara is fractionally cheaper here than the ad-free PW3 was nice bonus, and even the Kobo Store is WAY less intrusive on the device than the Kindle store ever was.
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2036[Post 203]
2037Author: ZodWallop
2038Date: 10-22-2018 02:08 PM
2039
2040Here the Clara HD and the Paperwhite 4 with ads cost exactly the same.
2041If Kobo and Walmart could get their act together, actually get the Clara in stock and promote it, they could really have something.
2042
2043Of course, if wishes were horses... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_wishes_were_horses,_beggars_would_ride)
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2047[Post 204]
2048Author: j.p.s
2049Date: 10-22-2018 02:12 PM
2050
2051Are you saying that the PW4 has a plastic display substrate?
2052
2053Where is that documented? Unless waterproofing added significant weight the PW4 seems a bit heavy for plastic substrate.
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2057[Post 205]
2058Author: DuckieTigger
2059Date: 10-22-2018 02:22 PM
2060
2061We shall see. Stuffing all that in is going to effect the price. First Kobo has to get more marketshare (at least here in the US). Partnering with Walmart may not have been the wisest decision. Everywhere else in the world it appears Kobo used retailers that are actually experienced and interested in selling ebooks / ereaders.
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2065[Post 206]
2066Author: DuckieTigger
2067Date: 10-22-2018 02:25 PM
2068
2069Here, unless it is wrong.
2070
2071https://www.pcmag.com/news/364338/hands-on-with-the-new-waterproof-amazon-kindle-paperwhite
2072
2073
2074
2075Weight - it does have a glass front instead of plastic on the PW1-3, but still lower weight.
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2079[Post 207]
2080Author: j.p.s
2081Date: 10-22-2018 02:35 PM
2082
2083Thanks! That's great news if it is true.
2084
2085If it is true, I wonder why amazon isn't touting the increased robustness. Maybe they are afraid people will sit on it, then complain when it breaks.
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2089[Post 208]
2090Author: lkmiller
2091Date: 10-22-2018 02:41 PM
2092
2093No muddy waters as far as I can see.  Kobo has 5 ereaders in their current lineup.  Amazon has 3.  As seen on their main ereader store pages.  US list prices w/o special offers:
2094
2095Aura $120
2096Clara $130
2097H2O $180
2098Aura One $230
2099Forma $280
2100
2101Kindle $100
2102Paperwhite $150
2103Oasis $270
2104
2105Yes, the basic Kindle is often on sale.  It needs to be -- it's last decade's model! (800x600 Pearl 167ppi screen, no front light) :eek:
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2109[Post 209]
2110Author: DuckieTigger
2111Date: 10-22-2018 02:49 PM
2112
2113Would you trust a small kid with anything more expensive? Think about the children, not just adults. And also children do not need a reader with built in light to read when they are supposed to be sleeping.
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2117[Post 210]
2118Author: rcentros
2119Date: 10-22-2018 02:54 PM
2120
2121Yes, but (as mentioned in another thread) Kindles are always going on sale. Wait for the next Paperwhite sale then, even with the additional $20 for no ads, you will still match the Clara's price � maybe even be cheaper (depending on the sale).
2122
2123Personally the ads don't bother me that much. 
2124
2125We'll see what happens when Walmart adds Kobo to their floorplan (supposedly by next April). But I agree, the Clara seems to be the right one to promote at Walmart � but, at this point, they don't even have them in stock online. So it might be that the stock is just not there yet.
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2129[Post 211]
2130Author: DuckieTigger
2131Date: 10-22-2018 02:57 PM
2132
2133By pointing out how much more robust it is, they would draw attention to how fragile the other Kindles are.
2134
2135Who knows.
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2139[Post 212]
2140Author: lkmiller
2141Date: 10-22-2018 03:04 PM
2142
2143Yup, it's good for kiddos and as a backup knock-about reader for any age.  But I'd still wait for a sale.  Just responding to the "last year's model" comment about the Kobo Aura 2.
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2147[Post 213]
2148Author: rcentros
2149Date: 10-22-2018 03:22 PM
2150
2151The Paperwhite is often on sale, as well. As for the Basic being "last decade" � not quite. Although I would prefer E-Carta (the 167ppi doesn't bother me) it still has modern firmware, adequate memory (storage and RAM), fast processor speed, good touch sensitivity and Bluetooth.
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2155[Post 214]
2156Author: johnnyb
2157Date: 10-22-2018 04:24 PM
2158
2159Can we move this to the Kindle section please?
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2164Author: DNSB
2165Date: 10-22-2018 06:20 PM
2166
2167[QUOTE=j.p.s;3763906]Are you saying that the PW4 has a plastic display substrate?
2168
2169A PCMag article states that it is a plastic backed eInk display but not an eInk Mobius instead being an Amazon designed display.  An interesting claim but so far I haven't found any other sites that confirm that claim.  And no, I don't consider BadeReader quoting PCMag as being confirmation.
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2173[Post 216]
2174Author: tomsem
2175Date: 10-22-2018 07:24 PM
2176
2177[QUOTE=DNSB;3763984]
2178
2179The briefing included one-on-one sessions with Amazon reps following the presentation. Perhaps it was something the reporter specifically asked about in his. He seems more knowledgeable than most of the initial reporting (at least knows there is something called ‘Mobius’). Of course he could have misunderstood what the rep told him, or the rep may have misrepresented the facts. At any rate, I would give it the benefit of doubt for now. 
2180
2181In the end the only thing that matters is how damage resistant it turns out to be in the real world, and we’ll have to wait for evidence of that. Mobius is not the only way to achieve damage-resistance, and Amazon certainly has the resources and clout with eInk to pursue solutions that meet their specific requirements. A custom solution that is better in some key ways than Mobius (cheaper to manufacture, or better display quality) would be a competitive advantage, as it would not be something eInk could turn around and offer to Amazon’s competitors.
2182
2183I am less concerned about damage resistance (I can well believe it is a significant improvement over the Paperwhite it replaces in the lineup) than the visual qualities: is it going to be as good or better than my Voyage?
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2187[Post 217]
2188Author: lkmiller
2189Date: 10-22-2018 09:09 PM
2190
2191Yes, it was just an exaggerated response to the comment about the Kobo Aura 2 being "last year's model."  The basic Kindle has 8 year old screen tech -- not quite a full decade old.  I believe the first front light was ten years ago, but they didn't become a regular thing until 2012's Nook.  I'm a little surprised Kindle didn't get its screen bumped up to 2013.
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2195[Post 218]
2196Author: DuckieTigger
2197Date: 10-22-2018 10:42 PM
2198
2199Mobius was designed to be flexible. When it was introduced it was very expensive due to very low yield rates, it may still be very expensive. If all you want is shatter resistance, being flexible is overkill, IMO. A very stiff plastic (maybe acrylic stiff) would perhaps do the trick of reasonable compromise of yield, shatter proof, image quality, and cost.
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2203[Post 219]
2204Author: DNSB
2205Date: 10-23-2018 12:06 AM
2206
2207Or as an alternative, someone interpreted the plastic back of the Paperwhite 4 as meaning the display had a plastic back. Given that only one site has made that claim and several others have stated that it does not have a plastic substrate, I tend to the alternative.
2208
2209OTOH, during this search spree, I will admit to having gotten a chuckle out of a comparison which gave the advantage to the Paperwhite 4 compared to the Clara HD due to the Paperwhite's "seamless Overdrive integration".  :rofl: :rofl:
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2213[Post 220]
2214Author: stuartjmz
2215Date: 10-23-2018 12:45 AM
2216
2217You're being unfair! It's completely seamless - just as the Emperor's New Clothes were completely seamless :)
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2221[Post 221]
2222Author: davidfor
2223Date: 10-23-2018 01:17 AM
2224
2225To be fair, in the US, you can borrow from OD and have the books sync to a Kindle. And looking at the review, the bit about the Clara HD was probably written before the last firmware update.
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2229[Post 222]
2230Author: stuartjmz
2231Date: 10-23-2018 01:39 AM
2232
2233Ah, interesting. Clara's on-device of Overdrive here in Aotearoa/NZ was big draw for me after having tried to get ADE to play with my Kindle in the past
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2237[Post 223]
2238Author: rcentros
2239Date: 10-23-2018 02:51 AM
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2241If you have the patience of Job you can actually borrow and download eBooks from Overdrive (in the U.S.) with just the Kindle, by using the Experimental Browser. It's much easier (and faster), however, to use your computer or smartphone to do the borrowing. 
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2243
2244
2245Yep, I'm sure the review was. But the reviewer should have updated the Kobo review when he/she updated the Kindle review. (After all they're showing a picture of the Kobo Clara, not an old Kobo.) Borrowing from Overdrive is not "seamless" on the Kindle -- it (basically) requires another device to do the borrowing. Kobos truly are seamless here.
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2250Author: stuartjmz
2251Date: 10-23-2018 03:11 AM
2252
2253That doesn't sound like "seamless" to me - how many Kindle users actually use the browser? It's basically  "in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard." in terms of accessibility. And of course, not universally available even then - no Overdrive here at all on Kindle, unless it's een added in the last few weeks
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2258Author: DuckieTigger
2259Date: 10-23-2018 06:38 AM
2260
2261Cannot find any and don't remember reading any. Could you link and quote at least one that specifically says that it doesn't have a plastic substrate?
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2265[Post 226]
2266Author: lkmiller
2267Date: 10-23-2018 08:22 AM
2268
2269More seamless than epubs from ADE to some other device.  Not as seamless as Kobo.  Although I do it the "Kindle way" with Kobo too.
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2273[Post 227]
2274Author: ZodWallop
2275Date: 10-23-2018 09:35 AM
2276
2277Partnering with America's number one retailer likely seemed like a no-brainer.
2278
2279
2280
2281Yeah, that seems to be the failure with Walmart.
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2285[Post 228]
2286Author: ZodWallop
2287Date: 10-23-2018 09:43 AM
2288
2289http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yxKa4o2OHi8/TdQX81TklAI/AAAAAAAASN8/kjFC6iAuBJo/s400/think_of_the_children.jpg
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2293[Post 229]
2294Author: ZodWallop
2295Date: 10-23-2018 09:44 AM
2296
2297Finding clever hoops to jump through is missing the point. If the Paperwhite  with ads was regularly cheaper than the competition, I'd have no gripe.
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2301[Post 230]
2302Author: issybird
2303Date: 10-23-2018 10:30 AM
2304
2305It's obvious that the Aura will be discontinued once they run out of stock; this is the flip side of what happened when they introduced the Aura for $10 less than the Glo HD.  The Aura was never worth only $10 less than either the Glo HD or the Clara.  I can't imagine that even Walmart's $99 price on the Aura will get rid of them.  On the other hand, I can't get what's going on with the Aura One and the Forma.  They seem in direct competition to me and the Aura One is significantly cheaper.  At two years old with no update, that one has to be the next for the chopper and then Kobo will have one top-of-the-line product similarly priced to the smaller Oasis. 
2306
2307The single device that jumps out at me from this list is the H2O.  It has no direct competition at Amazon price-wise and at virtually the same size as the Oasis which costs $90 more, I think it's a tremendous value.  
2308
2309When you line up the two product lines it seems like Kobo all the way to me, but I may be biased.  ;)  The reality is that most Americans, if they've got a Kindle, won't switch to Kobo even for more specs at a similar outlay.  I think the Walmart association is disastrous to Kobo's attempts to penetrate the American market.
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2313[Post 231]
2314Author: ZodWallop
2315Date: 10-23-2018 10:39 AM
2316
2317I can understand. They don't want to lose all the books they already bought and are not likely to know about Calibre or DRM-stripping.
2318
2319
2320
2321Do you think that because of Walmart's reputation, or because of the lackluster job they've done so far?
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2325[Post 232]
2326Author: rcentros
2327Date: 10-23-2018 12:20 PM
2328
2329No, it's not seamless to use the device-only with Kindles and Overdrive. That was my point. Possible, but not seamless.
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2333[Post 233]
2334Author: rcentros
2335Date: 10-23-2018 12:22 PM
2336
2337It's "semi-regularly" cheaper than the competition. And, for those of us who don't care if there are ads on the Kindle or not, it's semi-regularly a LOT cheaper than the competition.
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2341[Post 234]
2342Author: rcentros
2343Date: 10-23-2018 12:24 PM
2344
2345Not seamless on the Kindle, but pretty easy. So long as you have a computer or smartphone or tablet.
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2349[Post 235]
2350Author: lkmiller
2351Date: 10-23-2018 02:12 PM
2352
2353Yeah, not one device seamless.  But no ADE or transferring with USB cable.  While you can "shop" for library books on a Kobo, I personally prefer to browse and check out on my computer (or phone) then sync to my Kobo.  That's how Kindle works, right?
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2357[Post 236]
2358Author: lkmiller
2359Date: 10-23-2018 02:29 PM
2360
2361Makes me wonder if Kobo's association with Walmart is just to dump off what they don't think they'll sell otherwise...since the Clara's been mostly MIA, and the Aura's the only one consistently in stock.
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2365[Post 237]
2366Author: rcentros
2367Date: 10-23-2018 04:57 PM
2368
2369That's what I was wondering too. Maybe Walmart expects too much of a discount, so Kobo isn't as anxious to supply them with Readers as they are other sellers. Something doesn't seem quite right in this whole deal. I thought the Walmart push would be a lot bigger.
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2373[Post 238]
2374Author: Wearever
2375Date: 10-23-2018 04:59 PM
2376
2377True, I'm disappointed in how Walmart has not had any Kobo's so far in the store nearest me. It looks like it's more of an online partnership, and most likely a destination for pick up and returns only. Which is better than nothing but still I would have liked to see the new Kobo's on display.
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2381[Post 239]
2382Author: ZodWallop
2383Date: 10-23-2018 05:25 PM
2384
2385It's always possible that Kobo can't keep up with the demand. Didn't the Aura One show as sold out on their own website for a long time? Maybe Kobo just doesn't have the stock on hand.
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2389[Post 240]
2390Author: rcentros
2391Date: 10-23-2018 05:44 PM
2392
2393That could be it, but Indigo and Kobo seem to have all their readers in stock. Hopefully you're right, though, and Kobo just can't keep up with the demand.
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2397[Post 241]
2398Author: radbaddude
2399Date: 10-23-2018 06:10 PM
2400
2401Guess I'll be sticking with my Clara HD for another gen : )
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2405[Post 242]
2406Author: harriska2
2407Date: 10-24-2018 12:52 PM
2408
2409I’m not sure I would invest in a company (kobo) that doesn’t test its own website. I used 4 different browser apps on my ipad but their menu on the kobo.com site simply doesn’t let me click on the link for hardware.
2410
2411For $50 less you get the new Kindle PW with water resistance and a flat screen with no bevels. The Kindle PW is hard to sideload as the web browser is super slow. Are the Kobos just as slow?
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2415[Post 243]
2416Author: stumped
2417Date: 10-24-2018 01:09 PM
2418
2419I had the same experience from my android tablet browser options.. It is inexcusable. They use drop down menus which vanish before you can tap into them, even after much speed practice.
2420 
2421And even when I went there via pc, there is no refund or returns policy shown, nothing about what to do if your order goes missing or turns up broken...
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2425[Post 244]
2426Author: jackie_w
2427Date: 10-24-2018 01:49 PM
2428
2429These are the Kobo Terms of Sales (https://uk.kobobooks.com/pages/terms-of-sales). The page is accessible from the foot of the Order page of every Kobo device I checked on the UK website.
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2433[Post 245]
2434Author: stuartjmz
2435Date: 10-24-2018 06:34 PM
2436
2437I have CP, so my hand movements are not lightning fast, but still I  had no trouble at all just now  navigating through the drop down menu to get to the Forma page at kobo.com on my Android tablet.
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2441[Post 246]
2442Author: spindlegirl
2443Date: 10-24-2018 07:34 PM
2444
2445Neat upgrade. Can't afford to buy a new one, though, as the PW I purchased last year is still going strong. But it's nice to see the new features of gadgets.
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2449[Post 247]
2450Author: rcentros
2451Date: 10-24-2018 08:29 PM
2452
2453Good grief, you're right. I even installed Firefox on my Fire tablet to see if that would work. Nope. The solution I use when I run into these issues. Use one of the search engines and search for "Kobo Clara" (without the quotes) and click on the link which says something about "kobobooks." Once you get to the page for one of these models, there are links on top for the other current models. It's stupid that you have to do it, but it works. (This is also how I find the "sold out" listing for the Clara on Walmart.com.)
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2457[Post 248]
2458Author: davidfor
2459Date: 10-24-2018 09:34 PM
2460
2461Just tried this on my iPad. Very ugly and not what should be expected.
2462
2463But, I get different behaviour depending on whether I have the iPad in landscape or portrait orientation. In landscape, the menu behaves as you described. In portrait, the menu works completely differently. The menu is in the top left corner. And it works properly. It's probably actually a screen size/resolution thing. On my much smaller phone, it always uses the menu in the top-left corner. On my PC, as make the browser narrower, the layout of the page change and it changes to the menu in the top-left corner.
2464
2465
2466I'm pretty sure the browser will behave about the same. It is slow and doesn't support all features more advance browsers do. You can download books from most places, but, navigating to the page is a pain. I only use it to test and see if it actually works,
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2470[Post 249]
2471Author: stuartjmz
2472Date: 10-24-2018 09:49 PM
2473
2474Maybe they don't like iOS? :D
2475
2476On my 8.4 inch Android tablet, the website works perfectly in Chrome, in either landscape or portrait. Ditto on my 5.7 inch Android phone.
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2480[Post 250]
2481Author: dakini
2482Date: 10-24-2018 10:30 PM
2483
2484I spent a few months dealing with Kobo customer service before I gave up and abandoned ship (never did get my reader fixed, so we're done with them) ... but one thing that was amusing was the CS reps have direct links for a lot of their menus ... I couldn't see a menu the CS rep was directing me to, and he said a lot of people had trouble finding or using menus, so there were direct URLs he could send me too. Interesting to find others in the wild on this site have this issue.
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2488[Post 251]
2489Author: stumped
2490Date: 10-25-2018 03:06 AM
2491
2492did you try getting into any of the 4 home screen menus: ebooks, audiobooks, apps & devices, a superpoints
2493 on my lenovo yoga tablet, in both chrome & in brave, I cannot get into those at all - tried portrait and landscape.
2494 I am probably auto-directed to the UK site - other regions sites may work differently
2495 but would it kill them to make a mobile friendly version of the site?
2496 I bet that kobo's own primitive browser, from a kobo device, does not work there either
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2500[Post 252]
2501Author: stuartjmz
2502Date: 10-25-2018 03:23 AM
2503
2504Not all of them, but because the initial complaint mentioned being unable to access the hardware section, I navigated through the menu to apps and devices and then  to readers. Both sections worked fine
2505
2506
2507EDIT: I just tried again. All menu subsections - ebooks, audiobooks, apps and devices, super points. Both devices, 8.4 in and 5.7 in, portrait and landscape. All worked flawlessly in Chrome.
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2511[Post 253]
2512Author: John F
2513Date: 10-25-2018 04:18 AM
2514
2515On my Android (6.0) tablet with Chrome I have the problem.
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2519[Post 254]
2520Author: stuartjmz
2521Date: 10-25-2018 04:26 AM
2522
2523Then I guess it's just me. As posted above, flawless navigation on both devices in both orientations. And, inspired by the mention of the kobo browser, I tried it on my Clara. Definitely NOT flawless, but workable and significantly less clunky than I expected. Certainly very much better than any websites I tried on my Paperwhite 2's browser
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2527[Post 255]
2528Author: stumped
2529Date: 10-25-2018 04:56 AM
2530
2531very strange - so on a sample of 3, it does not work for 2 of us, but it does for one person.
2532
2533maybe it depends on android version or some other subtlety but I can't think how
2534 i will try it one more time with chrome data saver enabled, as that will then serve from an intermediate server....
2535
2536 well the plot thickens - with data saver ON, AND portrait mode, that elusive menu moves off the home page to under a single hamburger on the left ,which expands ok.
2537 in portrait with data server off the hamburger does NOT expand
2538and back in landscape- sometime the sub menus show briefly but are not accessible, other times they don't show at all
2539
2540ther must be some background calculation of windows size and orientation which toggles between 2 different presentations. one has the horizontal menu with 4 entire as listed before, the narrow veiw moves those off screen and under a single drop down that is not using the same screen overlay/pop up technique. I can't be bothered to go to display source & puzzle out all the options
2541
2542and a final caveat, the site somehow knows I am in UK and is serving a UK version, I have no idea what folks in other regions may see...
2543
2544i will just concluded that if you want to buy a kobo reader from kobo via a tablet, you have to be VERY motivated and persistent :)
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2548[Post 256]
2549Author: davidfor
2550Date: 10-25-2018 05:01 AM
2551
2552Which version of the menu did it use? The menu icon in the top-left corner? Or the separate options under the search bar? In any case, it appears to be affected by the window/screen width. As I stated, when I tried it on my PC at work (Linux with Firefox), at my usual browser window size, it used the second version with the menu below the search bar. As I made the window narrower, it reached a point were it changed. Trying this now at home on my Windows laptop, it works the same with both Firefox and Chrome.
2553
2554It is obviously dependent on the setup. It might also depend on the browser and OS. I reported what happens with an Android phone, but I don't have an Android device with a large enough screen to see if it how it behaves.
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2558[Post 257]
2559Author: lkmiller
2560Date: 10-25-2018 06:55 AM
2561
2562Hmmm, no problems for me on my Android phone with Chrome browser in the US.  I do have to wait for the entire page to load before I can tap open the menu.  But after that, it behaves as expected in both portrait and landscape.
2563
2564ETA:  Just tried on my iPad with Chrome.  Works fine in portrait from the upper-left menu icon.  In landscape, I get the dropdown menus under the search bar that disappear too quickly to use.
2565
2566Yet another edit to avoid more OT posts:
2567Looks like the horizontal menus are expecting a mouse hover to stay open...which, of course, you never have on an iPad and very seldom on Android.  Even trying to tap with an Apple pencil doesn't work on iPad.  But works with a mouse on my 10" Android tablet.
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2571[Post 258]
2572Author: stumped
2573Date: 10-25-2018 07:02 AM
2574
2575could be that the problem is limited to larger android tablets then, mine is 10 inch and i use it in landscape.
2576 
2577 it is still poor QA though
2578
2579in particular, the "widescreen version" of the home page, with the horizontal row of menu tabs is using some clever  overlay/pop up/floating menu code, too smart for its own good.
2580 I did not bother to test searching for a specific book title or author, it could be that suffers from over clever presentation also.
2581
2582all I was looking for , on visit 1, was the UK price and availabilty of the Forma, to compare with amazon options ( which is what this thread used to be about :)  ), and also stuff on Kobo's returns and refund options - but failed on both counts
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2586[Post 259]
2587Author: stuartjmz
2588Date: 10-25-2018 09:13 AM
2589
2590On my monile devices, the menu icon in the left-hand corner. On my browser (PaleMoon Win10), the same behaviour as you report. separate options under the search bar until I shrink the screen to a certain point, In all cases, no vaigation issues, no problems with options disappearing too quickly to be selected.
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2594[Post 260]
2595Author: ilovejedd
2596Date: 10-25-2018 09:59 AM
2597
2598This. It most likely uses the desktop layout (which assumes mouse support) once you reach a certain viewport size.
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2602[Post 261]
2603Author: soulfuldog
2604Date: 10-25-2018 10:36 AM
2605
2606I think people are getting mixed up between the substrate and the screen. Up until the Kobo Forma, all the main ereaders have had a glass substrate that sits behind a plastic screen - except the Voyage, which has a glass screen, which at the time of release was an 'upgrade' & a selling point, it appears to make the text on the Voyage sharper & clearer. Even though the new Paperwhite has a flush screen and looks similar to the Voyage, it might not be quite so good because of this.
2607
2608The plastic substrate of the Kobo Forma is obviously a selling point, so if the new Paperwhite had the same, why on earth would the only mention of it be in a random news article?
2609
2610FWIW, the respective pages for the Kobo Forma & Kindle Paperwhite state:
2611
2612"with a sturdy 8.0” HD Mobius Carta E Ink screen"
2613
2614"with E Ink Carta, built-in light, 300 ppi"
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2618[Post 262]
2619Author: rcentros
2620Date: 10-25-2018 11:13 AM
2621
2622I can confirm the same results on my Amazon Fire. Works fine in portrait mode. Since I almost always use the tablet in landscape mode (for browsing) I didn't realize the behavior would be different in portrait. Something to remember.
2623
2624(Same results in all three browsers on this Fire — Chrome, Silk and Firefox.)
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2628[Post 263]
2629Author: harriska2
2630Date: 10-25-2018 03:27 PM
2631
2632Chrome on my ipad did not work. Even in landscape. I have a 12.9 ipad.
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2636[Post 264]
2637Author: stuartjmz
2638Date: 10-25-2018 03:50 PM
2639
2640Yep, it seems the problem is that the site assumes anything with a screen size over 10 inches  (maybe 9?) as a desktop.
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2644[Post 265]
2645Author: ilovejedd
2646Date: 10-25-2018 06:11 PM
2647
2648Most dynamic layouts work based on the device's reported viewport size/width. My guess, anything that reports width of ~1000px gets the desktop layout.
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2650Note, resolution of iPad 12.9 is 2732*2048 and even in portrait mode, its viewport is 1024*1366.
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2654[Post 266]
2655Author: harriska2
2656Date: 10-25-2018 07:07 PM
2657
2658I always use desktop w/o a problem. Even facebook (don�t use app).
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2662[Post 267]
2663Author: mkberg
2664Date: 10-25-2018 07:51 PM
2665Thread Title: My chat with Amazon about the new PW
2666
2667Me: Can you please tell me if there are plans to release a kindle paper white with a comfort light (Change color temperature) in the works? I noticed the new one does not have it. Why no include it? I will never buy another kindle with out this feature. Please tell someone.
2668You are now connected to Dalli Ravi Teja from Amazon.com
2669
2670Dalli Ravi Teja: Hello, my name is Dalli Ravi Teja. I'm here to help you today.
2671The new one has a color invert option.
2672
2673Me: so white on black?
2674
2675Dalli Ravi Teja: Yes.
2676
2677Me: that info should be on the description page
2678Thats fine but its still blue light?
2679
2680Dalli Ravi Teja: It would be available for all the compatible model s once an update is rolled out.
2681
2682Me: I have a kobo and I use that at night because the blue light from the kindle bothers me
2683
2684Dalli Ravi Teja: Yes, I understand what you are asking.
2685You would like a reading mode on the device,
2686I am updating this to the feedback team. They collate all the feedback that we receive and work on it to develop a feature in the upcoming software update.
2687
2688Me: Can I ask specifically why Amazon has not released a model with the ability the change the color temperature? It seems absurd to me they haven't done it. Many of the competitor devices have it. The Kindle would be the best in my opinion if it had that feature and relaxed on the kindle only books and those advertisements.
2689
2690Dalli Ravi Teja: I am from the support team. I do not have that information.
2691I can remove the ads from your device free of charge.
2692
2693Me: Im sure they have received tons of requests about the color temperature change feature, because I know I am not the only one. How and who do I contact on the Kindle engineering department directly to get a real answer?
2694Really? Removing the ads would be awesome. I know I can go to Amazon to buy stuff.
2695
2696Dalli Ravi Teja: Sure, I can do that for you.
2697
2698Me: Cool
2699
2700Dalli Ravi Teja: Shall I go ahead and remove the ads now?
2701
2702Me: Sure, on the 3G that'd be appreciated.
2703
2704Dalli Ravi Teja: Okay, just a moment.
2705This device has successfully unsubscribed from Special Offers.
2706Please check now.
2707
2708Me: Also, the inverted colors are good, but suppose Amazon came out with its own gels to change the color temperature? This option would obviously not be ideal, but why release a new kindle without the temp change. I don't get it. Behind the times
2709I'll check... thank s
2710
2711Dalli Ravi Teja: Sure, I agree with you.
2712
2713Me: Thats great to hear
2714
2715Dalli Ravi Teja: I respect your point of view. But those matters are out of my purview.
2716
2717Me: Weird marketing in my opinion
2718
2719Dalli Ravi Teja: I can update this to the concerned team.
2720
2721Me: Just give the people what they want, make it well from the start and sell it forever
2722Incrementally releasing 'new' features is ridiculous
2723
2724Dalli Ravi Teja: As there is no direct chat with the engineering team. We are the support team so we face the customers.
2725
2726Me: In my opinion
2727
2728Dalli Ravi Teja: Okay, sure.
2729
2730Me: The offers are gone, appreciate it
2731
2732Dalli Ravi Teja: Thank you :)
2733
2734Me: Thats all I got at the moment thank you.
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2738[Post 268]
2739Author: davidfor
2740Date: 10-25-2018 08:47 PM
2741
2742The difference is that on the PC, the menu reacts and expands when you put the cursor over it, but doesn't trigger the link. You can then select the sub-item you want. On a touch-only device, you have to tap the menu item to have it expand the menu. But, tapping the menu item also triggers the link it points to and once that happens, the sub-items cannot tapped.
2743
2744Overall, not a great design. And it is also something that I can understand being missed during testing. They probably do most of the widescreen version testing on a PC and concentrate on the portrait version on the devices.
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2748[Post 269]
2749Author: stuartjmz
2750Date: 10-25-2018 09:19 PM
2751
2752Yes, it's clear that the reason I couldn't replicate the problem is that my devices are not big enough in terms of screen resolution.
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2756[Post 270]
2757Author: stumped
2758Date: 10-27-2018 12:26 AM
2759
2760thanks for posting such a clear explanation of what I was trying to describe
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2764[Post 271]
2765Author: haydnfan
2766Date: 10-28-2018 09:44 AM
2767
2768Mkberg, why were you harassing a technical support agent?  They don't design the devices, they just help you troubleshoot issues with current kindles.
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2772[Post 272]
2773Author: rcentros
2774Date: 10-28-2018 01:08 PM
2775
2776No comfort light, but it's interesting that Amazon plans to use a reverse screen on all compatible models with a future update. (I'm guessing that won't include the Kindle Basic.) Also interesting to see how quickly they offered to remove ads for free. Does that happen often?
2777
2778
2779
2780I agree. Also it might not be a bad idea to "x" out the real name of the agent in the future.
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2784[Post 273]
2785Author: lori87
2786Date: 10-28-2018 01:24 PM
2787
2788mkberg, that exchange with the tech support agent was cringe...not for him, but for you. How embarrassing.
2789
2790You were basically harassing the same person who tells you how many Skittles are left in stock. In fact the Kindle team will likely never see your concern (if that was your intention), because they're not going to read the whole exchange.
2791
2792Next time email the Kindle team directly or tweet them or message some big bloggers to write about it. Don't harass those tech support dudes who literally have ZERO input on the device.
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2796[Post 274]
2797Author: stuartjmz
2798Date: 10-28-2018 05:34 PM
2799
2800"Also interesting to see how quickly they offered to remove ads for free. Does that happen often?"
2801
2802Like many others, I cringed at that smugly self-satisfied  display of crass, undeservedl harassment but I too have had  "ads removed gratis" offered very promptly when I contacted KIndle support about an issue with a purchase.
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2806[Post 275]
2807Author: Tony1988
2808Date: 10-28-2018 06:24 PM
2809
2810:rofl: Poor Dalli.....you talked the poor man's head off with a lot of nonsense.
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2814[Post 276]
2815Author: JSWolf
2816Date: 10-28-2018 06:54 PM
2817
2818If Amazon had made their own plastic backed screen, they'd be using it for ALL the Kindles. Also, this would be plastered all over the net and it's not. I think it
2819s still a Carta glass backed screen.
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2823[Post 277]
2824Author: pdurrant
2825Date: 10-29-2018 03:20 AM
2826
2827In this instance, I agree with you. I'm sure that it the screen itself had a plastic substrate, they'd be making a big deal of it (lighter! shatterproof!)
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2831[Post 278]
2832Author: DuckieTigger
2833Date: 10-29-2018 07:22 AM
2834
2835I wouldn't be so sure. Last night I emailed the author of the article to elaborate on his source, and the reply this morning was:
2836
2837He might have been the only one asking the right questions.
2838
2839We will see when we get a tear down, or Amazon makes an announcement.
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2843[Post 279]
2844Author: pdurrant
2845Date: 10-29-2018 07:23 AM
2846
2847Thanks! Waterproof and shatterproof might be enough to make me replace my Voyage. I shall wait for confirmation.
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2851[Post 280]
2852Author: DuckieTigger
2853Date: 10-29-2018 07:47 AM
2854
2855It won't be completely shatterproof if the top glass layer is similiar to the Voyage. I have two busted Voyages laying around. One has broken top and substrate (got stepped on). The other has substrate intact, but the top glass is a tiny bit cracked at a corner which destroyed touch functionality (this one the dog chewed on the case with Voyage inside).
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2859[Post 281]
2860Author: pdurrant
2861Date: 10-29-2018 08:00 AM
2862
2863I had sort-of assumed that the new Paperwhite external layer was also plastic, not glass. I guess we'll just have to wait for user reports.
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2867[Post 282]
2868Author: DuckieTigger
2869Date: 10-29-2018 08:10 AM
2870
2871That is just a guess on my part. It looks too much like a Voyage without buttons. My PW3 doesn't look very good in sunlight compared to the Oasis 2. The plastic screen with the texture  casts shadows making the background look grainy. The smooth glass screen of the Oasis makes the background look uniform and  much brighter.
2872
2873ETA: In chat with CS today I asked if the front of the screen is glass similiar to the Voyage and Oasis, and got told that, yes, it is the same. Take that also with a grain of salt until we do have a real teardown.
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2877[Post 283]
2878Author: rcentros
2879Date: 10-29-2018 10:51 AM
2880
2881I'm only going by what that one article, in PC Magazine, claimed. They specifically compared this feature to Mobius. ("Amazon is using a plastic-backed 300ppi E Ink display, but it isn't E Ink Mobius; it's the company's own design.") Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but it is a direct and specific claim.
2882
2883EDIT:  DuckieTigger wrote to the article's writer for confirmation. I admit, it is hard to believe that Amazon isn't making a bigger deal out of this — unless most tech writer's involved just missed the importance of the announcement.
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2887[Post 284]
2888Author: JSWolf
2889Date: 10-29-2018 02:11 PM
2890
2891In most cases, a new Kindle is a been there/done that from Kobo.
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2895[Post 285]
2896Author: ZodWallop
2897Date: 10-29-2018 04:34 PM
2898
2899I wasn't too excited about previous Paperwhites, but I think the new one looks very, very nice. A color changing light would have been nice, but that's nitpicking at this point.
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2903[Post 286]
2904Author: soulfuldog
2905Date: 10-30-2018 02:18 PM
2906
2907I'll ask again, if that was the case, why does it state on the Paperwhite tech details of the screen that its: "Amazon's 6” Paperwhite-display technology with E Ink Carta, built-in light, 300 ppi, optimised font technology and 16-level grey scale". 
2908
2909Which is pretty much word for word what it states on the Oasis tech details: "Amazon’s 7 inch Paperwhite display technology with E Ink Carta™ and built-in light, 300 ppi, optimised font technology, 16-level grey scale".
2910
2911*Not exactly sure why all the eink Kindles say Paperwhite display technology mind you, even the basic one!
2912
2913No mention of anything different, it specifically states its a Carta e-ink display. It would be good if true, and it is strangely specific claim by that journalist, but just can't see it since Amazon themselves isn't saying it, and not a single other person picked up on this snippet.
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2917[Post 287]
2918Author: rcentros
2919Date: 10-30-2018 04:05 PM
2920
2921I don't know that much about it, but the Kobo Forma has an E-Carta screen and uses a Mobius plastic substrate. It looks E-Carta and plastic substrates can work together.
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2925[Post 288]
2926Author: pdurrant
2927Date: 10-31-2018 03:14 AM
2928
2929Carta is the name of the kind of E-Ink layer at the front of the display. The backplane isn't specified.
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2933[Post 289]
2934Author: soulfuldog
2935Date: 10-31-2018 02:14 PM
2936
2937Ok but the Kobo lists the Forma with a "with a sturdy 8.0” HD Mobius Carta E Ink screen"
2938
2939Albeit, I have just realised in the specs it just states Carta. Still seems very unlikely that Amazon would fail to mention this anywhere if it had a plastic substrate.
2940
2941Also, am I mistaken that I thought I read somewhere that they think the new PW has a glass front screen the same as the Voyage & Oasis? It would appear to be very good value for money if this was true.
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2945[Post 290]
2946Author: DuckieTigger
2947Date: 10-31-2018 10:49 PM
2948
2949My theory still stands that mentioning it might be a mistake for warranty reasons. Look, it is sturdier, I can handle it rougher. Oops. And there is a slight chance that Amazon put the plastic substrate in purely as cost saving to reduce the warranty issues with broken substrate. Not always is a new feature for the benefit of the customer. They do advertise reduced weight.
2950
2951
2952That information came from me in this thread and another thread. I was told that by CS in chat. So take that with a grain of salt until someone outside of Amazon has a new PW in hand.
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2956[Post 291]
2957Author: barryem
2958Date: 11-02-2018 06:32 PM
2959
2960I wonder if the extended warranty on the Paperwhite might be a glue.  I priced the 4G model at $230 and for an extra $30 they offered a 3 year extended warranty with accident coverage and said you could drop your device and have it replaced 3 times.  That's extremely cheap and very generous coverage.  They must have a lot of confidence in it's durability.
2961
2962Barry
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2966[Post 292]
2967Author: gteague
2968Date: 11-06-2018 06:45 PM
2969Thread Title: finally pulled the trigger on the new pw4
2970
2971i placed and cancelled my order at least 3 times trying to decide if it was a worthwhile purchase for me. i have the oasis 2 and it's nice, but far from ideal in several areas. i traded in the smaller original oasis on it and many times i wish i had that tiny one back. but i won't go into a list of my annoyances.
2972
2973the amazon kindle software is horrible for searching and storing your content if you have over several hundred books--to say it's a hot mess is to be cruel to hot messes. long ago i was trying to manage about 2500 books using the docs feature and i finally gave that up as a bad business. and manually placing books onto the kindle memory offends my organizational skills and it annoys me no end that it's so difficult to change the titles using calibre by mucking around with the metadata.
2974
2975so what i've done with the oasis is allow it to store some of the books i've bought on amazon which it helpfully lists under /books/. and i have about 300 books i've put on it using the /docs/ feature. when i first bought it i tried to put my 2500 books on it, and it was still thrashing around a week later trying to index them all and that's when i just put selected books into the /docs/ process.
2976
2977so what i'm getting the pw4 for is to make another try at storing my entire library which annoyingly, comes in at just over 8gb after it's transferred to kindle so i had to pay an extra $30 for the 32gb model. and i suspect it will be more trouble than it's worth to juggle two kindles--one a 'clean' one and the other one with everything but the kitchen sink on it.
2978
2979anyway, they didn't sell out of them up until the last hour before i could have gotten it on the 7th--at least not that configuration (32gb, offers, wifi-only), but they did sell out of nearly every fabric and leather cover for it. i ended up getting the bundle because i wanted the merlot leather cover, but resented paying the extra for the worthless charger. i'm alway a kindle unlimited subscriber so i'm hoping the six-month sub offer applies to existing accounts.
2980
2981hopefully the calibre coder knows it's coming and will quickly issue an update so i can move all my books to it, but it's ok since it'll give me a couple days to see how it works with my 80 amazon books and the 300 docs first before i throw everything at it. i'll just plan to leave it on the charger for a day or two for it to index and check every 2-4 hours for progress.
2982
2983/guy
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2987[Post 293]
2988Author: soulfuldog
2989Date: 11-07-2018 04:25 AM
2990
2991gteague don't just 'throw everything at it' by loading all your books in one go and instead try loading them in smaller batches (maybe 50 at most?), and give it time to index the books first before adding more. A rogue book can cause the Kindle to get stuck indexing, and if you just chuck more books at it when this happens, it'll just keep 'thrashing around' unless you identify which book is causing the problem and remove it.
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2995[Post 294]
2996Author: GlenBarrington
2997Date: 11-07-2018 10:56 AM
2998
2999My PW2 is starting to develop a short in the charging/connection port. . . Hmmm!
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3003[Post 295]
3004Author: radbaddude
3005Date: 11-07-2018 11:28 AM
3006
3007Trade it in for 25% off the pw4!
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3011[Post 296]
3012Author: gteague
3013Date: 11-07-2018 11:41 AM
3014
3015good tip, thanks. that takes patience and constant attention to know when it finishes indexing one batch and another can be loaded and i'm impatient and easily distracted! :)
3016
3017i have about 2500 to load and i will take the advice and split them into 250 unit chunks. i could handle 10 batches. and at least any problems would be compartmentalized.
3018
3019thanks! /guy
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3023[Post 297]
3024Author: maydocsach
3025Date: 11-07-2018 12:59 PM
3026
3027Hands on the all new Kindle Paperwhite (https://maydocsachtot.com/tren-tay-kindle-paperwhite-4-2019/) today.
3028
3029https://i.imgur.com/Fo60U4t.jpg
3030
3031TBH, I love the box than the device. :rofl:
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3035[Post 298]
3036Author: Ginnia
3037Date: 11-07-2018 02:10 PM
3038Thread Title: New PW and Calibre
3039
3040I just got my new Paperwhite (Gen 10), and don't know what I'm doing wrong, but Calibre is NOT recognizing it.  Any thoughts?  The only place I know of to define the device is in DeDRM.  Went through the Welcome Wizard, but nothing changed.  I've upgraded Calibre to 3.33.1 (64 bit).  What else do I need to do??
3041
3042Thanks for any assistance...
3043
3044Ginny M
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3048[Post 299]
3049Author: ilovejedd
3050Date: 11-07-2018 02:20 PM
3051
3052It's too new. I think there might be instructions on how to submit/add a new device for Calibre around here somewhere.
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