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8How long you been
9working on this project, Dan?
10
112
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13Five years.
14
153
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17Five, wow.
18
194
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21Every day? Nights, weekends?
22
235
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25It's been very consuming.
26
276
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29Do you have
30a relationship, Dan? Family?
31
327
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34Just trying to get
35a better sense of who you are.
36
378
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39When it started, I was
40seeing someone, but, you know,
41
429
4300:01:29,673 --> 00:01:32,426
44with the nature of the work
45and the hours...
46
4710
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49I wasn't a very good partner.
50
5111
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53Five years,
54and it could all go away.
55
5612
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58Just vanish in the face
59of these allegations.
60
6113
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63I can certainly imagine
64
6514
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67an ambitious young man
68like yourself
69
7015
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72spends years
73with his head buried
74
7516
7600:01:51,946 --> 00:01:54,156
77in some terrible spectacle,
78
7917
8000:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,450
81gets frustrated
82with the process,
83
8418
8500:01:56,534 --> 00:01:58,828
86sees an opportunity
87to get the truth out faster,
88
8919
9000:01:58,911 --> 00:02:00,204
91maybe crosses a line.
92
9320
9400:02:00,287 --> 00:02:01,890
95I'm assuming this is
96the most important thing
97
9821
9900:02:01,914 --> 00:02:03,683
100- you've ever been a part of.
101- I didn't do it.
102
10322
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105Or I can see
106an equally ambitious senator
107
10823
10900:02:05,543 --> 00:02:06,919
110encouraging you to do something.
111
11224
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114Now would be
115a good time to tell me.
116
11725
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119That did not happen.
120What I did, I did on my own.
121
12226
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124I acted alone.
125
12627
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128You ever sleep, bro?
129
13028
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132I used to. Got in the way of work.
133
13429
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136Anything in that bag
137contain the real names
138
13930
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141of CIA officers,
142assets or partners,
143
14431
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146or any information
147that would be in violation
148
14932
15000:02:24,770 --> 00:02:27,106
151of the agreement between
152the Central Intelligence Agency
153
15433
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156and the United States Senate?
157
15834
15900:02:28,774 --> 00:02:31,527
160- Have a good night, Jay.
161- You, too, Dan.
162
16335
16400:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,155
165So, you did steal the document?
166
16736
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169I did not steal it.
170I relocated it.
171
17237
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174Everyone has their own words.
175
17638
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178The language is built
179to choose sides.
180
18139
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183Now, why did you relocate it?
184
18540
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187They could send you
188to jail, Dan.
189
19041
19100:02:56,969 --> 00:02:58,971
192I think I should
193start at the beginning.
194
19542
19600:03:40,220 --> 00:03:42,181
197- You Dan Jones?
198- Yeah.
199
20043
20100:03:42,264 --> 00:03:43,265
202- Denis McDonough.
203- Hi.
204
20544
20600:03:43,349 --> 00:03:44,409
207Thank you so much
208for meeting me.
209
21045
21100:03:44,433 --> 00:03:46,101
212Come on in, yeah. Absolutely.
213
21446
21500:03:46,185 --> 00:03:47,770
216So, thanks for coming in.
217
21847
21900:03:47,853 --> 00:03:49,229
220Uh, tell me your story.
221
22248
22300:03:49,313 --> 00:03:51,193
224My second day of grad school
225was September 11th.
226
22749
22800:03:51,231 --> 00:03:55,194
229I was headed to a lecture,
230and everything just... stopped.
231
23250
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234The next day, I changed all my
235classes to national security.
236
23751
23800:03:58,030 --> 00:04:00,407
239Good man.
240
24152
24200:04:00,491 --> 00:04:01,825
243So, what's the long-term plan?
244
24553
24600:04:01,909 --> 00:04:03,619
247Where do you see yourself
248in ten years?
249
25054
25100:04:03,702 --> 00:04:05,037
252Are you running for office?
253
25455
25500:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,622
256Oh, uh, no. No politics for me.
257
25856
25900:04:06,705 --> 00:04:08,391
260I think I'd be more effective
261behind the scenes,
262
26357
26400:04:08,415 --> 00:04:10,084
265somewhere I can
266really make a difference.
267
26858
26900:04:10,167 --> 00:04:11,543
270So, what about before Harvard?
271
27259
27300:04:11,627 --> 00:04:13,754
274Uh, what'd you fill up
275your days with then?
276
27760
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279Teach For America
280for three years in Baltimore.
281
28261
28300:04:16,423 --> 00:04:17,549
284Seventh-graders.
285
28662
28700:04:17,633 --> 00:04:19,343
288I read that you taught
289high school Spanish
290
29163
29200:04:19,426 --> 00:04:20,986
293in Saint Paul, Minnesota,
294after college?
295
29664
29700:04:21,011 --> 00:04:22,554
298And LBJ's first job was teaching
299
30065
30100:04:22,638 --> 00:04:24,640
302at the Mexican school
303in South Texas.
304
30566
30600:04:24,723 --> 00:04:26,266
307Knowing how
308to deal with children
309
31067
31100:04:26,350 --> 00:04:28,310
312is a highly useful skill
313when working on the Hill.
314
31568
31600:04:29,770 --> 00:04:32,356
317But from my perspective
318as Senate staff,
319
32069
32100:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,235
322I would wait until
323things turn around up here.
324
32570
32600:04:36,318 --> 00:04:38,862
327I think Senator Daschle
328would say the same thing.
329
33071
33100:04:38,946 --> 00:04:41,824
332Go get some real-world
333experience in counterterrorism,
334
33572
33600:04:41,907 --> 00:04:44,243
337in... foreign policy.
338
33973
34000:04:44,326 --> 00:04:46,453
341Try the CIA. Try FBI.
342
34374
34400:04:46,537 --> 00:04:49,748
345Have them teach you what they
346don't teach you in a classroom.
347
34875
34900:04:49,832 --> 00:04:51,685
350Then you can come back here, and...
351
35276
35300:04:51,709 --> 00:04:54,253
354help us fix all the things that
355Bush and Cheney are breaking.
356
35777
35800:04:54,336 --> 00:04:56,171
359McDonough.
360
36178
36200:04:56,255 --> 00:04:58,507
363Yes, Senator, uh, one second.
364
36579
36600:04:58,590 --> 00:05:00,676
367The boss. Here.
368
36980
37000:05:00,759 --> 00:05:02,094
371Keep in touch, huh?
372
37381
37400:05:02,177 --> 00:05:04,722
375- Thank you very much for your time.
376- Absolutely.
377
37882
37900:05:04,805 --> 00:05:06,783
380I do not have
381that information right now,
382
38383
38400:05:06,807 --> 00:05:09,268
385but I can certainly get that
386for you in the next 15.
387
38884
38900:05:09,351 --> 00:05:11,228
390Yeah.
391
39285
39300:05:16,608 --> 00:05:18,944
394In regards to
395the bomb plots in Germany,
396
39786
39800:05:19,028 --> 00:05:20,380
399three men were arrested
400in Medebach
401
40287
40300:05:20,404 --> 00:05:22,489
404with 1,500 pounds
405of hydrogen peroxide
406
40788
40800:05:22,573 --> 00:05:24,825
409and 26 military-grade
410detonators.
411
41289
41300:05:24,908 --> 00:05:26,785
414The CIA suspects
415the Islamic Jihad Union...
416
41790
41800:05:26,869 --> 00:05:28,138
419Excuse me.
420
42191
42200:05:28,162 --> 00:05:29,997
423Uh, can I borrow you
424for a minute, Dan?
425
42692
42700:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,832
428Uh, Senator would
429like to see you.
430
43193
43200:05:31,915 --> 00:05:33,333
433Yeah, of course.
434
43594
43600:05:36,253 --> 00:05:39,089
437- Morning, Dan.
438- Morning, Senator.
439
44095
44100:05:39,173 --> 00:05:41,842
442Have you seen the story today
443in The New York Times?
444
44596
44600:05:41,925 --> 00:05:44,261
447- No, Senator, I have not.
448- Evidently, the CIA destroyed
449
45097
45100:05:44,344 --> 00:05:47,514
452tapes of interrogations
453of Al Qaeda detainees.
454
45598
45600:05:48,807 --> 00:05:51,060
457Did the Intel Committee know
458there were tapes?
459
46099
46100:05:51,143 --> 00:05:53,270
462No. This is the first
463I've heard of it.
464
465100
46600:05:53,353 --> 00:05:56,774
467So, I want to find out
468what was on the tapes
469
470101
47100:05:56,857 --> 00:05:58,233
472and why they were destroyed.
473
474102
47500:05:58,317 --> 00:06:00,819
476We want you to lead
477the investigation, Dan.
478
479103
48000:06:02,863 --> 00:06:04,990
481But if the tapes were
482destroyed, how do we...
483
484104
48500:06:05,074 --> 00:06:07,117
486They're saying
487they have written records.
488
489105
49000:06:07,201 --> 00:06:10,871
491Thousands of pages.
492Let's see about that.
493
494106
49500:06:10,954 --> 00:06:13,290
496I want you to find out
497exactly what they have
498
499107
50000:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,250
501and read every word of it.
502
503108
50400:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,551
505This report on the
506destruction of tapes by the CIA
507
508109
50900:06:24,635 --> 00:06:27,179
510- has been two years in the making.
511- Thank you.
512
513110
51400:06:27,262 --> 00:06:29,848
515The findings are very troubling,
516
517111
51800:06:29,932 --> 00:06:32,476
519but it will remain classified.
520
521112
52200:06:32,559 --> 00:06:35,979
523Based on these revelations,
524a larger study into
525
526113
52700:06:36,063 --> 00:06:40,234
528the entire CIA Detention
529and Interrogation Program
530
531114
53200:06:40,317 --> 00:06:43,237
533is clearly in order.
534
535115
53600:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,073
537All in favor, say "yay."
538
539116
54000:06:46,156 --> 00:06:48,367
541- Mr. Whitehouse?
542- Yay.
543
544117
54500:06:48,450 --> 00:06:51,161
546- Mr. Burr?
547- Yay.
548
549118
55000:06:51,245 --> 00:06:54,248
551- Mr. Rockefeller?
552- Yay.
553
554119
55500:06:54,331 --> 00:06:56,583
556Mr. Chambliss?
557
558120
55900:06:56,667 --> 00:06:58,210
560- Nay.
561- Mr. Risch?
562
563121
56400:06:58,293 --> 00:07:00,629
565I think this is a waste of time.
566
567122
56800:07:00,712 --> 00:07:02,631
569Now, I know you voted
570against this, Saxby...
571
572123
57300:07:02,714 --> 00:07:05,092
574But you already had
575your tapes investigation.
576
577124
57800:07:05,175 --> 00:07:08,470
579Yes, but the rest of us
580voted to go further, 14 to one.
581
582125
58300:07:08,554 --> 00:07:11,140
584It's our job
585to provide oversight.
586
587126
58800:07:11,223 --> 00:07:15,561
589All during the campaign,
590you got candidate Obama saying
591
592127
59300:07:15,644 --> 00:07:18,355
594how he wanted to be the first
595post-partisan president.
596
597128
59800:07:18,438 --> 00:07:20,190
599Saxby, you know me.
600
601129
60200:07:20,274 --> 00:07:22,067
603It's my intention
604that this report be seen
605
606130
60700:07:22,151 --> 00:07:24,653
608as coming from the entire
609Intelligence Committee,
610
611131
61200:07:24,736 --> 00:07:26,321
613not just the Democrats.
614
615132
61600:07:26,405 --> 00:07:27,948
617So, who takes the lead?
618
619133
62000:07:28,031 --> 00:07:30,701
621Well, I was thinking Dan Jones.
622
623134
62400:07:30,784 --> 00:07:33,829
625He spent four years doing
626counterterrorism at the FBI.
627
628135
62900:07:33,912 --> 00:07:36,582
630He's already got
631the security clearances.
632
633136
63400:07:36,665 --> 00:07:40,127
635The rules are the same
636as the tapes investigation.
637
638137
63900:07:40,210 --> 00:07:42,087
640No politics, no bias,
641
642138
64300:07:42,171 --> 00:07:43,881
644and the senator isn't interested
645
646139
64700:07:43,964 --> 00:07:45,716
648in opinions or theories,
649just facts.
650
651140
65200:07:45,799 --> 00:07:47,342
653Based on what
654you found out already,
655
656141
65700:07:47,426 --> 00:07:50,304
658this could go to
659a pretty dark place.
660
661142
66200:07:50,387 --> 00:07:52,431
663You need to keep your
664personal feelings out of it.
665
666143
66700:07:52,514 --> 00:07:55,434
668That's the first thing
669Republicans are gonna look for.
670
671144
67200:07:55,517 --> 00:07:57,519
673No talking to the press
674or your girlfriend
675
676145
67700:07:57,603 --> 00:07:59,313
678or any family members.
679
680146
68100:07:59,396 --> 00:08:01,440
682Nobody outside of the committee.
683
684147
68500:08:01,523 --> 00:08:03,275
686You're gonna get a team of six...
687
688148
68900:08:03,358 --> 00:08:04,798
690Three Republicans,
691three Democrats...
692
693149
69400:08:04,860 --> 00:08:06,820
695But there can't be
696any Republican sentences
697
698150
69900:08:06,904 --> 00:08:08,614
700or Democratic paragraphs.
701
702151
70300:08:08,697 --> 00:08:10,490
704And how long do we have?
705
706152
70700:08:10,574 --> 00:08:13,327
708We're hoping you can
709wrap it up in a year or so.
710
711153
71200:08:13,410 --> 00:08:17,080
713You're gonna have to keep the
714senators updated on your work.
715
716154
71700:08:17,164 --> 00:08:19,458
718Nobody wants any surprises.
719
720155
72100:08:19,541 --> 00:08:22,711
722There's a covert CIA off-site
723in Virginia.
724
725156
72600:08:22,794 --> 00:08:23,962
727You start tomorrow.
728
729157
73000:08:24,046 --> 00:08:26,048
731- Jones, right?
732- Sean.
733
734158
73500:08:26,131 --> 00:08:29,343
736- Hi. Dan.
737- Sean Murphy from the Agency.
738
739159
74000:08:29,426 --> 00:08:31,678
741- Let's go inside.
742- Okay.
743
744160
74500:08:36,016 --> 00:08:38,435
746Identification, gentlemen.
747
748161
74900:08:38,518 --> 00:08:41,021
750The room we've designated is a SCIF.
751
752162
75300:08:41,104 --> 00:08:43,357
754No phone reception, no photos...
755You know the drill...
756
757163
75800:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,442
759Lead walls.
760
761164
76200:08:45,525 --> 00:08:47,361
763And, per the agreement,
764
765165
76600:08:47,444 --> 00:08:48,987
767the room is off-limits
768to everyone
769
770166
77100:08:49,071 --> 00:08:50,906
772- except committee personnel.
773- Absolutely.
774
775167
77600:08:50,989 --> 00:08:52,824
777No one inside
778without your permission.
779
780168
78100:09:02,793 --> 00:09:04,670
782- And the computers?
783- Right here.
784
785169
78600:09:04,753 --> 00:09:07,172
787Your own dedicated server,
788air-gapped workstations.
789
790170
79100:09:07,256 --> 00:09:09,132
792We'll be updating
793the database as we go.
794
795171
79600:09:09,216 --> 00:09:11,301
797The files will be loaded
798on here as we collect them
799
800172
80100:09:11,385 --> 00:09:13,178
802- from across the Agency.
803- Great.
804
805173
80600:09:13,262 --> 00:09:15,198
807We'll want all relevant
808documents as soon as possible.
809
810174
81100:09:15,222 --> 00:09:16,699
812- Well, we got to vet it first.
813- Vet?
814
815175
81600:09:16,723 --> 00:09:18,100
817There's a lot to...
818
819176
82000:09:18,183 --> 00:09:19,503
821Director Panetta
822agreed to give us
823
824177
82500:09:19,559 --> 00:09:20,870
826everything pertaining
827to the program.
828
829178
83000:09:20,894 --> 00:09:23,021
831Wh-Who would be,
832who would be vetting it?
833
834179
83500:09:23,105 --> 00:09:25,023
836It's a big agency.
837
838180
83900:09:25,107 --> 00:09:26,775
840We got to make sure
841you don't get anything
842
843181
84400:09:26,858 --> 00:09:28,986
845you're not supposed to.
846
847182
84800:09:54,428 --> 00:09:56,638
849Make yourself at home.
850
851183
85200:10:05,605 --> 00:10:08,692
853There's... no printer?
854
855184
85600:10:08,775 --> 00:10:10,152
857No paper.
858
859185
86000:10:10,235 --> 00:10:12,279
861No documents are allowed
862to leave the room
863
864186
86500:10:12,362 --> 00:10:14,156
866without CIA approval.
867
868187
86900:10:14,239 --> 00:10:18,201
870Paper has a way of getting
871people in trouble at our place.
872
873188
87400:10:20,704 --> 00:10:23,248
875I think at some point
876we're gonna need a printer.
877
878189
87900:10:23,332 --> 00:10:24,416
880And paper.
881
882190
88300:10:24,499 --> 00:10:27,044
884At our place...
885
886191
88700:10:27,127 --> 00:10:29,629
888paper's how
889we keep track of laws.
890
891192
89200:10:33,008 --> 00:10:34,551
893Okay.
894
895193
89600:11:11,755 --> 00:11:15,175
897Calling this
898an obvious terrorist attack
899
900194
90100:11:15,258 --> 00:11:17,469
902based on very
903preliminary information,
904
905195
90600:11:17,552 --> 00:11:19,346
907the information that
908
909196
91000:11:19,429 --> 00:11:20,740
911intelligence officials
912are getting...
913
914197
91500:11:20,764 --> 00:11:22,474
916You're not gonna like this.
917
918198
91900:11:22,557 --> 00:11:24,702
920A possible
921hijacked plane, and of course
922
923199
92400:11:24,726 --> 00:11:27,979
925the-the very horrifying video
926of the plane...
927
928200
92900:11:28,063 --> 00:11:30,399
930We confirmed some of the names.
931
932201
93300:11:30,482 --> 00:11:31,775
934The hijackers?
935
936202
93700:11:31,858 --> 00:11:33,610
938Two of the guys from
939the Malaysia meetings.
940
941203
94200:11:33,693 --> 00:11:35,987
943The San Diego guys.
944They took down Flight 77.
945
946204
94700:11:36,071 --> 00:11:37,364
948Pentagon.
949
950205
95100:11:37,447 --> 00:11:39,008
952The coordination that took place
953
954206
95500:11:39,032 --> 00:11:40,450
956to have two planes
957hit the towers...
958
959207
96000:11:40,534 --> 00:11:42,494
961Attention, everyone, please.
962
963208
96400:11:42,577 --> 00:11:44,830
965We have reason to believe
966the Counterterrorism Center
967
968209
96900:11:44,913 --> 00:11:46,415
970is a potential target.
971
972210
97300:11:46,498 --> 00:11:49,167
974We're asking all personnel
975to evacuate, immediately.
976
977211
97800:11:49,251 --> 00:11:51,229
979Jim Miklaszewski
980
981212
98200:11:51,253 --> 00:11:52,504
983there from the Pentagon.
984
985213
98600:11:52,587 --> 00:11:54,148
987Of course, the president
988has the authority
989
990214
99100:11:54,172 --> 00:11:56,633
992to scramble
993military, uh, forces,
994
995215
99600:11:56,716 --> 00:11:58,343
997and, uh, this is a case,
998obviously,
999
1000216
100100:11:58,427 --> 00:12:01,012
1002in which, uh, retaliation,
1003if indeed it proves to be
1004
1005217
100600:12:01,096 --> 00:12:02,931
1007a terrorist incident,
1008
1009218
101000:12:03,014 --> 00:12:04,534
1011will be contemplated.
1012
1013219
101400:12:04,599 --> 00:12:06,619
1015We also have to work, though,
1016
1017220
101800:12:06,643 --> 00:12:08,203
1019sort of, the-the dark side,
1020if you will.
1021
1022221
102300:12:08,228 --> 00:12:09,708
1024We've got to spend time
1025in the shadows
1026
1027222
102800:12:09,771 --> 00:12:11,606
1029in-in the intelligence world.
1030
1031223
103200:12:11,690 --> 00:12:13,984
1033Uh, a lot of
1034what needs to be done here
1035
1036224
103700:12:14,067 --> 00:12:16,778
1038will have to be done quietly,
1039without any discussion...
1040
1041225
104200:12:16,862 --> 00:12:17,988
1043Fucking warned them.
1044
1045226
104600:12:18,071 --> 00:12:20,449
1047August 6th
1048presidential briefing:
1049
1050227
105100:12:20,532 --> 00:12:22,451
1052"Bin Ladin Determined
1053to Strike in U.S."
1054
1055228
105600:12:22,534 --> 00:12:24,953
1057- Flashing red lights.
1058- And before that,
1059
1060229
106100:12:25,036 --> 00:12:27,164
1062in July, what did we say?
1063
1064230
106500:12:27,247 --> 00:12:29,583
1066"There will be
1067significant terrorist attacks
1068
1069231
107000:12:29,666 --> 00:12:33,670
1071against the United States in
1072the weeks and months to come."
1073
1074232
107500:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,172
1076It's not your fault.
1077
1078233
107900:12:35,255 --> 00:12:38,842
1080It is a mean, nasty, dangerous,
1081uh, dirty business out there,
1082
1083234
108400:12:38,925 --> 00:12:41,303
1085and we have to operate
1086in that arena.
1087
1088235
108900:12:41,386 --> 00:12:43,430
1090But we need to make certain
1091that we have not
1092
1093236
109400:12:43,513 --> 00:12:46,725
1095tied the hands, if you will,
1096of our intelligence community.
1097
1098237
109900:12:46,808 --> 00:12:49,352
1100Counterterrorism Director Black
1101and I saw President Bush
1102
1103238
110400:12:49,436 --> 00:12:51,229
1105at Camp David this weekend.
1106
1107239
110800:12:51,313 --> 00:12:53,565
1109And the president gave me
1110his word that there will be
1111
1112240
111300:12:53,648 --> 00:12:57,319
1114no changes in CIA leadership as
1115a result of Tuesday's attacks.
1116
1117241
111800:12:57,402 --> 00:12:59,070
1119We will look forward now,
1120
1121242
112200:12:59,154 --> 00:13:02,532
1123not waste time second-guessing
1124or looking for blame.
1125
1126243
112700:13:02,616 --> 00:13:04,993
1128Going forward, we will be
1129the tip of the spear
1130
1131244
113200:13:05,076 --> 00:13:07,329
1133in the battle against Al Qaeda.
1134
1135245
113600:13:07,412 --> 00:13:09,998
1137As I said
1138to the president, two weeks,
1139
1140246
114100:13:10,081 --> 00:13:13,126
1142we'll have flies walking
1143across Al Qaeda eyeballs.
1144
1145247
114600:13:13,210 --> 00:13:15,313
1147I've asked Chief Counsel Rizzo
1148here to walk us through
1149
1150248
115100:13:15,337 --> 00:13:17,506
1152where we are from
1153a legal standpoint.
1154
1155249
115600:13:17,589 --> 00:13:21,676
1157The president has issued
1158a memorandum of notification
1159
1160250
116100:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,264
1162giving CIA the power to capture
1163and detain suspected terrorists
1164
1165251
116600:13:26,348 --> 00:13:27,766
1167on the battlefield.
1168
1169252
117000:13:27,849 --> 00:13:29,726
1171Detain them where?
1172
1173253
117400:13:29,809 --> 00:13:31,937
1175Are we bringing them
1176to the U.S.?
1177
1178254
117900:13:32,020 --> 00:13:34,147
1180We're really not
1181in the prison business
1182
1183255
118400:13:34,231 --> 00:13:36,399
1185- over in Counterterrorism.
1186- Look,
1187
1188256
118900:13:36,483 --> 00:13:39,110
1190the budget for Counterterrorism
1191last week was what?
1192
1193257
119400:13:39,194 --> 00:13:41,530
1195$600 million?
1196
1197258
119800:13:41,613 --> 00:13:45,200
1199The budget this week is
1200whatever you need it to be.
1201
1202259
120300:13:45,283 --> 00:13:48,161
1204And we are in whatever business
1205it takes to get the job done.
1206
1207260
120800:13:49,329 --> 00:13:51,122
1209Initially, CIA legal
1210
1211261
121200:13:51,206 --> 00:13:53,625
1213stated that any facility used
1214to hold detainees
1215
1216262
121700:13:53,708 --> 00:13:56,378
1218had to meet the requirements
1219of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons,
1220
1221263
122200:13:56,461 --> 00:13:57,605
1223but then Deputy Director Pavitt
1224
1225264
122600:13:57,629 --> 00:13:58,981
1227thought that was
1228gonna be too limiting.
1229
1230265
123100:13:59,005 --> 00:14:01,007
1232So, who came up
1233with the black sites?
1234
1235266
123600:14:01,091 --> 00:14:02,092
1237Not totally clear.
1238
1239267
124000:14:02,175 --> 00:14:03,760
1241My guess is either
1242
1243268
124400:14:03,843 --> 00:14:06,555
1245a senior officer
1246at Counterterr... CTC,
1247
1248269
124900:14:06,638 --> 00:14:08,014
1250or Alec Station bin Laden unit
1251
1252270
125300:14:08,098 --> 00:14:09,698
1254decided black sites
1255were the best option.
1256
1257271
125800:14:09,766 --> 00:14:12,686
1259Well, did the CIA
1260tell the State Department
1261
1262272
126300:14:12,769 --> 00:14:16,481
1264they were making deals
1265to hold people on foreign soil?
1266
1267273
126800:14:16,565 --> 00:14:19,609
1269Where was Secretary of State
1270Powell in all this?
1271
1272274
127300:14:19,693 --> 00:14:21,152
1274Well, I found a memo.
1275
1276275
127700:14:21,236 --> 00:14:24,364
1278The CIA's general counsel...
1279
1280276
128100:14:24,447 --> 00:14:26,116
1282said the decision was made
1283
1284277
128500:14:26,199 --> 00:14:28,743
1286not to tell Powell
1287about the program,
1288
1289278
129000:14:28,827 --> 00:14:31,454
1291because...
1292
1293279
129400:14:31,538 --> 00:14:33,039
1295"He would blow his stack
1296
1297280
129800:14:33,123 --> 00:14:35,542
1299if he were to be briefed
1300on what was going on."
1301
1302281
130300:14:37,210 --> 00:14:39,421
1304Well, who decided that?
1305
1306282
130700:14:39,504 --> 00:14:41,256
1308Someone inside the White House.
1309
1310283
131100:14:41,339 --> 00:14:42,340
1312Mm-hmm.
1313
1314284
131500:14:43,425 --> 00:14:45,760
1316What about interrogations?
1317
1318285
131900:14:45,844 --> 00:14:47,596
1320President Bush's memoranda
1321
1322286
132300:14:47,679 --> 00:14:49,681
1324just authorized
1325capturing and detaining.
1326
1327287
132800:14:49,764 --> 00:14:51,850
1329It didn't say anything
1330about interrogations.
1331
1332288
133300:14:51,933 --> 00:14:54,769
1334And who gave them permission
1335to play that role?
1336
1337289
133800:14:54,853 --> 00:14:58,732
1339Nobody. It looks like
1340it started with legal at CTC.
1341
1342290
134300:15:01,651 --> 00:15:04,255
1344Do you want me to brief Senator McCain
1345on this? I know he's interested.
1346
1347291
134800:15:04,279 --> 00:15:06,990
1349The Republicans just
1350pulled out of the study, Dan.
1351
1352292
135300:15:12,329 --> 00:15:14,414
1354Good morning.
1355
1356293
135700:15:14,497 --> 00:15:16,458
1358Where is everybody?
1359
1360294
136100:15:18,543 --> 00:15:21,129
1362Attorney General Holder
1363opened a criminal investigation
1364
1365295
136600:15:21,212 --> 00:15:22,589
1367into the CIA.
1368
1369296
137000:15:22,672 --> 00:15:25,133
1371As a result, the Agency
1372won't allow any of their people
1373
1374297
137500:15:25,216 --> 00:15:26,760
1376to be interviewed
1377for our report.
1378
1379298
138000:15:26,843 --> 00:15:29,179
1381The Republicans don't see
1382how we can move forward,
1383
1384299
138500:15:29,262 --> 00:15:30,388
1386so they're out.
1387
1388300
138900:15:31,931 --> 00:15:33,391
1390So, does this mean we stop?
1391
1392301
139300:15:33,475 --> 00:15:35,185
1394I mean, the committee
1395voted to investigate.
1396
1397302
139800:15:35,268 --> 00:15:36,728
1399The senator says we keep going.
1400
1401303
140200:15:36,811 --> 00:15:38,706
1403But we can't actually talk
1404to anyone who was involved
1405
1406304
140700:15:38,730 --> 00:15:40,899
1408- in the program.
1409- Right. According to CIA legal,
1410
1411305
141200:15:40,982 --> 00:15:43,443
1413CIA personnel is
1414only speaking to DOJ.
1415
1416306
141700:15:43,526 --> 00:15:45,028
1418And is DOJ gonna
1419share their findings?
1420
1421307
142200:15:45,111 --> 00:15:46,404
1423I mean, can we work with them?
1424
1425308
142600:15:46,488 --> 00:15:47,882
1427I've reached out
1428to the special prosecutor.
1429
1430309
143100:15:47,906 --> 00:15:49,532
1432I'm waiting to hear back.
1433
1434310
143500:15:49,616 --> 00:15:51,510
1436Okay, but if nobody who
1437actually worked on the program
1438
1439311
144000:15:51,534 --> 00:15:53,787
1441is going to talk to us,
1442how do we investigate?
1443
1444312
144500:15:53,870 --> 00:15:55,288
1446So, we have the files,
1447
1448313
144900:15:55,372 --> 00:15:57,248
1450their e-mails and cables,
1451their memos.
1452
1453314
145400:15:57,332 --> 00:15:58,958
1455We have to use
1456their own communications
1457
1458315
145900:15:59,042 --> 00:16:00,251
1460to tell the story.
1461
1462316
146300:16:00,335 --> 00:16:02,796
1464Do you have any idea
1465how hard that's gonna be?
1466
1467317
146800:16:02,879 --> 00:16:05,048
1469The tapes investigation
1470took two years, Dan,
1471
1472318
147300:16:05,131 --> 00:16:08,009
1474and this is about a lot more
1475than what was on the tapes.
1476
1477319
147800:16:08,093 --> 00:16:11,012
1479Uh, we don't even know
1480what this is.
1481
1482320
148300:16:11,096 --> 00:16:13,264
1484Right, but we do know
1485who it starts with.
1486
1487321
148800:16:13,348 --> 00:16:15,725
1489We go one detainee at a time.
1490
1491322
149200:16:48,967 --> 00:16:49,967
1493You speak English?
1494
1495323
149600:16:51,469 --> 00:16:53,179
1497My name is Ali Soufan.
1498I'm with the FBI.
1499
1500324
150100:16:53,263 --> 00:16:54,931
1502You're under arrest.
1503
1504325
150500:16:55,014 --> 00:16:58,017
1506- You understand?
1507- No. Where are you taking me?
1508
1509326
151000:17:04,315 --> 00:17:06,860
1511Your wound is infected.
1512
1513327
151400:17:06,943 --> 00:17:09,070
1515But we're going to
1516take good care of you.
1517
1518328
151900:17:13,992 --> 00:17:15,702
1520I want to show you something.
1521
1522329
152300:17:23,501 --> 00:17:26,045
1524He's talking to
1525someone off-screen.
1526
1527330
152800:17:27,589 --> 00:17:30,341
1529He's calling him Mukhtar.
1530
1531331
153200:17:30,425 --> 00:17:32,218
1533You know who that is?
1534
1535332
153600:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,397
1537Mukhtar.
1538
1539333
154000:17:51,696 --> 00:17:54,199
1541A man who lost his mind?
1542
1543334
154400:18:01,623 --> 00:18:03,208
1545No, not him.
1546
1547335
154800:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,092
1549Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?
1550
1551336
155200:18:41,913 --> 00:18:43,832
1553Abu Zubaydah confirmed
1554that KSM is the leader
1555
1556337
155700:18:43,915 --> 00:18:46,668
1558of all Al Qaeda operations
1559outside of Afghanistan.
1560
1561338
156200:18:46,751 --> 00:18:48,044
1563He trained the hijackers.
1564
1565339
156600:18:48,127 --> 00:18:49,629
1567We're calling him
1568the mastermind.
1569
1570340
157100:18:49,712 --> 00:18:51,256
1572Outstanding.
1573
1574341
157500:18:51,339 --> 00:18:53,341
1576Hats off to the bin Laden group.
1577
1578342
157900:18:53,424 --> 00:18:55,093
1580Whichever one of
1581your people did this,
1582
1583343
158400:18:55,176 --> 00:18:57,345
1585I want to call them and
1586congratulate them in person.
1587
1588344
158900:18:57,428 --> 00:18:59,347
1590Who was it?
1591
1592345
159300:18:59,430 --> 00:19:01,266
1594Wasn't our guy.
1595
1596346
159700:19:01,349 --> 00:19:03,184
1598What? Who got it?
1599
1600347
160100:19:03,268 --> 00:19:05,937
1602FBI is working Zubaydah.
1603
1604348
160500:19:06,020 --> 00:19:07,397
1606An FBI guy got this?
1607
1608349
160900:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,315
1610Yes, Ali Soufan.
1611
1612350
161300:19:09,399 --> 00:19:11,234
1614Uh, they used him
1615in the Cole investigation.
1616
1617351
161800:19:11,317 --> 00:19:13,677
1619He's part of their counterterrorism group.
1620He speaks Arabic.
1621
1622352
162300:19:13,736 --> 00:19:16,364
1624I don't care who speaks Arabic.
1625
1626353
162700:19:16,447 --> 00:19:19,117
1628This is not just
1629a criminal investigation.
1630
1631354
163200:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,869
1633We are gathering
1634intelligence here.
1635
1636355
163700:19:20,952 --> 00:19:22,370
1638That is what we do.
1639
1640356
164100:19:22,453 --> 00:19:24,706
1642The FBI is looking at the past.
1643
1644357
164500:19:24,789 --> 00:19:26,958
1646We need to stop attacks
1647in the future.
1648
1649358
165000:19:27,041 --> 00:19:29,294
1651I want CIA in the room
1652with this guy, okay?
1653
1654359
165500:19:29,377 --> 00:19:32,338
1656I want CIA
1657in the room with Zubaydah.
1658
1659360
166000:19:32,422 --> 00:19:34,108
1661So, who do we have
1662who can work on him?
1663
1664361
166500:19:34,132 --> 00:19:35,652
1666CIA runs sources,
1667people who cooperate.
1668
1669362
167000:19:35,717 --> 00:19:37,135
1671That's not these guys.
1672
1673363
167400:19:37,218 --> 00:19:39,387
1675Every second we are not
1676draining the detainee's brain,
1677
1678364
167900:19:39,470 --> 00:19:41,180
1680we are rolling the dice.
1681
1682365
168300:19:41,264 --> 00:19:42,765
1684We need our people in the room.
1685
1686366
168700:19:42,849 --> 00:19:45,727
1688We need to be the ones
1689asking the questions now.
1690
1691367
169200:19:45,810 --> 00:19:48,271
1693I heard from someone
1694over in Technical Services,
1695
1696368
169700:19:48,354 --> 00:19:50,106
1698a woman named Miriam,
1699
1700369
170100:19:50,189 --> 00:19:52,817
1702about a couple of
1703Air Force psychologists
1704
1705370
170600:19:52,901 --> 00:19:56,237
1707who came in and pitched a whole
1708new approach to interrogations.
1709
1710371
171100:19:56,321 --> 00:19:58,615
1712Jim Mitchell and Bruce Jessen.
1713
1714372
171500:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,701
1716Miriam says Mitchell
1717has the special sauce.
1718
1719373
172000:20:03,453 --> 00:20:06,247
1721Zubaydah didn't
1722tell us everything,
1723
1724374
172500:20:06,331 --> 00:20:10,043
1726because we stopped short
1727of where we needed to go.
1728
1729375
173000:20:10,126 --> 00:20:15,757
1731SERE stands for Survival,
1732Evasion, Resistance and Escape.
1733
1734376
173500:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,261
1736It's a program to help prepare
1737U.S. Special Forces
1738
1739377
174000:20:20,345 --> 00:20:22,639
1741for whatever they might
1742encounter if captured.
1743
1744378
174500:20:22,722 --> 00:20:26,142
1746Now, I have over 14,000 hours
1747
1748379
174900:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,895
1750observing SERE
1751interrogation techniques.
1752
1753380
175400:20:28,978 --> 00:20:30,980
1755Bruce here has more than that...
1756
1757381
175800:20:31,064 --> 00:20:32,899
1759Uh, observing, as opposed to...?
1760
1761382
176200:20:32,982 --> 00:20:35,944
1763I took a course in conducting
1764interrogations as well.
1765
1766383
176700:20:36,027 --> 00:20:38,821
1768I worked with volunteers
1769in actual simulations.
1770
1771384
177200:20:38,905 --> 00:20:41,908
1773We feel we can reverse engineer
1774
1775385
177600:20:41,991 --> 00:20:45,828
1777these SERE techniques
1778to induce learned helplessness.
1779
1780386
178100:20:45,912 --> 00:20:47,830
1782Can you explain what that means,
1783
1784387
178500:20:47,914 --> 00:20:49,874
1786"reverse engineer"?
1787
1788388
178900:20:49,958 --> 00:20:51,918
1790Instead of using
1791these techniques
1792
1793389
179400:20:52,001 --> 00:20:53,670
1795to protect our people,
1796
1797390
179800:20:53,753 --> 00:20:57,882
1799we use them to achieve
1800compliance in the detainees.
1801
1802391
180300:20:57,966 --> 00:21:01,177
1804Our plan involves, uh,
1805using individual assessments
1806
1807392
180800:21:01,260 --> 00:21:05,974
1809of detainees to create
1810a program designed to induce
1811
1812393
181300:21:06,057 --> 00:21:09,769
1814debility, dependency and dread.
1815
1816394
181700:21:09,852 --> 00:21:12,981
1818- We call these the three "D"s.
1819- Three "D"s.
1820
1821395
182200:21:13,064 --> 00:21:15,066
1823And there's science
1824to back this up?
1825
1826396
182700:21:15,149 --> 00:21:16,693
1828Oh, yes. Yes, sir.
1829
1830397
183100:21:16,776 --> 00:21:18,486
1832Excuse me, Dr. Mitchell.
1833
1834398
183500:21:18,569 --> 00:21:21,531
1836Can you elaborate on, uh, the
1837techniques you'll be employing?
1838
1839399
184000:21:21,614 --> 00:21:23,032
1841Absolutely.
1842
1843400
184400:21:25,118 --> 00:21:28,037
1845The, uh, the attention grasp.
1846
1847401
184800:21:30,248 --> 00:21:31,874
1849Walling.
1850
1851402
185200:21:31,958 --> 00:21:33,960
1853Facial hold.
1854
1855403
185600:21:34,043 --> 00:21:38,297
1857The facial slap or insult slap.
1858
1859404
186000:21:38,381 --> 00:21:40,299
1861Cramped confinement.
1862
1863405
186400:21:41,843 --> 00:21:44,053
1865Wall standing.
1866
1867406
186800:21:44,137 --> 00:21:47,223
1869Stress positions.
1870
1871407
187200:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,642
1873Sleep deprivation.
1874
1875408
187600:21:49,726 --> 00:21:51,769
1877Waterboarding.
1878
1879409
188000:21:51,853 --> 00:21:53,813
1881Use of insects.
1882
1883410
188400:21:53,896 --> 00:21:56,399
1885And mock burials.
1886
1887411
188800:21:59,777 --> 00:22:02,030
1889Well, from my perspective,
1890this seems like it could be
1891
1892412
189300:22:02,113 --> 00:22:05,033
1894a potential game changer,
1895but, of course...
1896
1897413
189800:22:05,116 --> 00:22:07,076
1899it's up to Director Rodriguez.
1900
1901414
190200:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,912
1903I think if we're serious about
1904stopping the next threat,
1905
1906415
190700:22:09,996 --> 00:22:11,831
1908we need to put on
1909our big boy pants
1910
1911416
191200:22:11,914 --> 00:22:13,708
1913and provide the authorities
1914these guys need.
1915
1916417
191700:22:13,791 --> 00:22:18,254
1918These approaches might...
1919raise some eyebrows at Defense.
1920
1921418
192200:22:18,337 --> 00:22:21,174
1923Well, we're not at Defense.
1924We're at the CIA.
1925
1926419
192700:22:21,257 --> 00:22:22,633
1928Besides, you just said,
1929
1930420
193100:22:22,717 --> 00:22:24,677
1932we use this SERE stuff
1933on our guys all the time.
1934
1935421
193600:22:24,761 --> 00:22:26,763
1937I don't see a problem.
1938
1939422
194000:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,765
1941Shortly after the CIA's decision
1942
1943423
194400:22:28,848 --> 00:22:30,975
1945to engage Dr. Mitchell,
1946Abu Zubaydah was moved
1947
1948424
194900:22:31,059 --> 00:22:33,269
1950to a cell that was lit
195124 hours a day.
1952
1953425
195400:22:33,352 --> 00:22:36,481
1955Loud noise was fed into
1956his cell to disrupt his sleep.
1957
1958426
195900:22:36,564 --> 00:22:38,441
1960What about the guy
1961who got him talking?
1962
1963427
196400:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,151
1965Ali Soufan?
1966
1967428
196800:22:40,234 --> 00:22:42,111
1969Wait, he's FBI, not CIA.
1970
1971429
197200:22:42,195 --> 00:22:44,614
1973So, we can ask him
1974questions, right?
1975
1976430
197700:22:44,697 --> 00:22:47,075
1978No rule against that.
1979
1980431
198100:22:47,158 --> 00:22:48,618
1982We can try.
1983
1984432
198500:22:59,504 --> 00:23:01,839
1986There's only
1987one interrogation technique
1988
1989433
199000:23:01,923 --> 00:23:04,425
1991Rapport building.
1992
1993434
199400:23:04,509 --> 00:23:07,261
1995You get close to these guys,
1996and they open up.
1997
1998435
199900:23:07,345 --> 00:23:09,222
2000But the CIA didn't believe that.
2001
2002436
200300:23:09,305 --> 00:23:10,890
2004Just look at Abu Zubaydah.
2005
2006437
200700:23:10,973 --> 00:23:13,101
2008Well, you got him to talk.
2009How'd you do that?
2010
2011438
201200:23:13,184 --> 00:23:16,270
2013I walked in one day and
2014played him a tape of himself.
2015
2016439
201700:23:16,354 --> 00:23:18,689
2018Most of it was
2019of a phone conversation.
2020
2021440
202200:23:18,773 --> 00:23:20,233
2023Uh, we had tapped his phones.
2024
2025441
202600:23:20,316 --> 00:23:22,652
2027But he forgot to hang up
2028at the end of the call,
2029
2030442
203100:23:22,735 --> 00:23:25,571
2032so we had all this
2033background noise of his house.
2034
2035443
203600:23:25,655 --> 00:23:27,573
2037Then my partner walked in
2038
2039444
204000:23:27,657 --> 00:23:30,118
2041with a big box
2042full of cassette tapes.
2043
2044445
204500:23:30,201 --> 00:23:32,370
2046We told him we had bugged
2047his safe house;
2048
2049446
205000:23:32,453 --> 00:23:34,038
2051we had been listening
2052for months;
2053
2054447
205500:23:34,122 --> 00:23:36,707
2056we knew everything,
2057so lying was pointless.
2058
2059448
206000:23:36,791 --> 00:23:38,751
2061He looked at
2062the box full of tapes and...
2063
2064449
206500:23:38,835 --> 00:23:40,211
2066And all-all the tapes
2067were blank.
2068
2069450
207000:23:40,294 --> 00:23:43,005
2071Of course they were.
2072But he didn't know that.
2073
2074451
207500:23:43,089 --> 00:23:45,049
2076So, he talked.
2077
2078452
207900:23:45,133 --> 00:23:48,553
2080Uh, what happened when
2081the contractors showed up?
2082
2083453
208400:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,472
2085Who the fuck is this?
2086
2087454
208800:23:51,556 --> 00:23:53,492
2089Dr. Mitchell
2090is an Air Force psychologist,
2091
2092455
209300:23:53,516 --> 00:23:55,643
2094and he's developed
2095a new method of interrogation.
2096
2097456
209800:23:55,726 --> 00:23:57,246
2099Why-why do we need a new method?
2100
2101457
210200:23:57,270 --> 00:23:59,188
2103He's not telling you everything.
2104
2105458
210600:23:59,272 --> 00:24:01,399
2107We think he knows more.
2108
2109459
211000:24:01,482 --> 00:24:02,733
2111We put him at number three
2112
2113460
211400:24:02,817 --> 00:24:04,360
2115or number four
2116in Al Qaeda leadership.
2117
2118461
211900:24:04,443 --> 00:24:05,546
2120He probably knows the next move.
2121
2122462
212300:24:05,570 --> 00:24:07,864
2124Do you speak Arabic, Jim?
2125Does Gary here?
2126
2127463
212800:24:07,947 --> 00:24:09,198
2129Don't need to.
2130
2131464
213200:24:10,908 --> 00:24:12,535
2133C-Can I ask you something?
2134
2135465
213600:24:12,618 --> 00:24:16,873
2137Have you ever interrogated
2138any sort of extremist before?
2139
2140466
214100:24:16,956 --> 00:24:19,959
2142- Know much about Al Qaeda?
2143- No.
2144
2145467
214600:24:20,042 --> 00:24:22,628
2147Have you ever interrogated
2148any sort of terrorist before?
2149
2150468
215100:24:22,712 --> 00:24:26,132
2152- No.
2153- Any sort of criminal?
2154
2155469
215600:24:26,215 --> 00:24:27,592
2157No.
2158
2159470
216000:24:27,675 --> 00:24:30,344
2161Have you ever interrogated
2162anyone before?
2163
2164471
216500:24:30,428 --> 00:24:31,679
2166It's not important.
2167
2168472
216900:24:31,762 --> 00:24:35,808
2170He's a human;
2171I'm a psychologist.
2172
2173473
217400:24:35,892 --> 00:24:37,643
2175He knows a secret,
2176
2177474
217800:24:37,727 --> 00:24:42,190
2179and I'm gonna get him
2180to tell that secret to Gary.
2181
2182475
218300:24:42,273 --> 00:24:44,554
2184What-what are you going
2185to do to him that isn't...
2186
2187476
218800:24:44,609 --> 00:24:46,861
2189What am I gonna do?
2190
2191477
219200:24:46,944 --> 00:24:48,571
2193What is Jim gonna do?
2194
2195478
219600:24:48,654 --> 00:24:51,908
2197Jim's gonna do what works.
2198
2199479
220000:24:53,993 --> 00:24:55,995
2201Let's go, shitbird!
2202
2203480
220400:25:00,082 --> 00:25:01,876
2205Move it, asshole!
2206
2207481
220800:25:03,336 --> 00:25:04,879
2209Help! Please!
2210
2211482
221200:25:21,270 --> 00:25:23,064
2213You can't just shave
2214a Muslim man.
2215
2216483
221700:25:23,147 --> 00:25:24,267
2218Do you know what that means?
2219
2220484
222100:25:24,315 --> 00:25:26,525
2222He's going to shut down.
2223
2224485
222500:25:26,609 --> 00:25:29,153
2226Got to humiliate him,
2227right off the bat.
2228
2229486
223000:25:29,237 --> 00:25:31,113
2231Same reason
2232we took away his clothes.
2233
2234487
223500:25:31,197 --> 00:25:32,740
2236Why the loud music?
2237
2238488
223900:25:32,823 --> 00:25:34,575
2240Sleep deprivation.
2241
2242489
224300:25:34,659 --> 00:25:37,245
2244We stop the music
2245when he starts talking.
2246
2247490
224800:25:37,328 --> 00:25:38,913
2249Then he can sleep.
2250
2251491
225200:25:38,996 --> 00:25:40,581
2253Tired people tell the truth?
2254
2255492
225600:25:40,665 --> 00:25:42,708
2257Learned helplessness.
2258
2259493
226000:25:42,792 --> 00:25:45,836
2261You're familiar with
2262Dr. Martin Seligman?
2263
2264494
226500:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,381
2266Seligman did
2267an experiment with dogs.
2268
2269495
227000:25:48,464 --> 00:25:50,299
2271He put them in a cage
2272
2273496
227400:25:50,383 --> 00:25:52,927
2275with a barrier
2276running down the middle.
2277
2278497
227900:25:53,010 --> 00:25:54,637
2280And one side of the cage
2281was electrified
2282
2283498
228400:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,264
2285and the other wasn't.
2286
2287499
228800:25:56,347 --> 00:25:58,140
2289At first,
2290when he shocked the dogs,
2291
2292500
229300:25:58,224 --> 00:26:00,142
2294they'd jump over the barrier
2295to get away.
2296
2297501
229800:26:00,226 --> 00:26:02,436
2299And then
2300he electrified both sides.
2301
2302502
230300:26:04,021 --> 00:26:05,439
2304There was no escape.
2305
2306503
230700:26:07,024 --> 00:26:09,402
2308No belief they could
2309change anything.
2310
2311504
231200:26:09,485 --> 00:26:13,489
2313He'd open the door to the cage,
2314they wouldn't even leave.
2315
2316505
231700:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,032
2318It's learned helplessness.
2319
2320506
232100:26:15,116 --> 00:26:17,076
2322That's what we're
2323gonna instill in this man.
2324
2325507
232600:26:17,159 --> 00:26:18,869
2327You'll see.
2328
2329508
233000:26:25,001 --> 00:26:27,628
2331A coffin? You're gonna kill him?
2332
2333509
233400:26:27,712 --> 00:26:29,922
2335Let's call it a confinement box.
2336
2337510
233800:26:30,006 --> 00:26:32,758
2339I got this one,
2340and I got a smaller one.
2341
2342511
234300:26:32,842 --> 00:26:35,511
2344And you're gonna
2345put him in there?
2346
2347512
234800:26:35,594 --> 00:26:40,599
2349With these, which, based on
2350my evaluation, he hates.
2351
2352513
235300:26:40,683 --> 00:26:42,393
2354Are you out of your mind?
2355
2356514
235700:26:43,394 --> 00:26:44,979
2358We don't do this.
2359
2360515
236100:26:45,062 --> 00:26:46,522
2362You know this is
2363against the law.
2364
2365516
236600:26:46,605 --> 00:26:49,150
2367The most senior people
2368have signed off on it.
2369
2370517
237100:26:49,233 --> 00:26:50,735
2372We're putting him on trial.
2373
2374518
237500:26:50,818 --> 00:26:52,903
2376How are we gonna build
2377a case against him?
2378
2379519
238000:26:54,113 --> 00:26:56,615
2381Who says he's getting a trial?
2382
2383520
238400:26:58,492 --> 00:27:01,620
2385I wanted to arrest him
2386right there on the spot.
2387
2388521
238900:27:01,704 --> 00:27:04,123
2390- I told the Bureau that.
2391- What'd they say?
2392
2393522
239400:27:04,206 --> 00:27:06,000
2395They briefed Director Mueller,
2396
2397523
239800:27:06,083 --> 00:27:09,170
2399and told me to get the hell
2400out of there, so I did.
2401
2402524
240300:27:09,253 --> 00:27:11,964
2404- When was that?
2405- Late May, mid-May or...
2406
2407525
240800:27:12,048 --> 00:27:14,592
2409'Cause I'm finding records
2410that say that Mitchell left
2411
2412526
241300:27:14,675 --> 00:27:16,552
2414a little while later,
2415early June,
2416
2417527
241800:27:16,635 --> 00:27:20,181
2419for R & R and some meetings
2420at headquarters.
2421
2422528
242300:27:20,264 --> 00:27:22,850
2424But we had one
2425high-value detainee in custody,
2426
2427529
242800:27:22,933 --> 00:27:24,435
2429Abu Zubaydah.
2430
2431530
243200:27:24,518 --> 00:27:27,063
2433And after Mitchell left,
2434the CIA put him in isolation,
2435
2436531
243700:27:27,146 --> 00:27:29,815
2438and didn't ask him
2439a single question for 47 days.
2440
2441532
244200:27:31,567 --> 00:27:33,527
2443Are you fucking kidding me?
2444
2445533
244600:27:33,611 --> 00:27:35,738
2447The whole country was
2448on red alert that summer.
2449
2450534
245100:27:35,821 --> 00:27:37,740
2452If they were so concerned
2453about the next attack,
2454
2455535
245600:27:37,823 --> 00:27:39,092
2457why'd they stop
2458asking questions?
2459
2460536
246100:27:39,116 --> 00:27:40,396
2462Right, it doesn't
2463make any sense.
2464
2465537
246600:27:40,451 --> 00:27:42,453
2467Once the psychologist showed up,
2468
2469538
247000:27:42,536 --> 00:27:44,205
2471almost nothing did anymore.
2472
2473539
247400:27:51,462 --> 00:27:53,631
2475The CIA said
2476Zubaydah was involved
2477
2478540
247900:27:53,714 --> 00:27:55,758
2480in every major
2481terrorist operation
2482
2483541
248400:27:55,841 --> 00:27:57,134
2485carried out by Al Qaeda.
2486
2487542
248800:27:57,218 --> 00:27:58,636
2489They told the president
2490
2491543
249200:27:58,719 --> 00:28:00,238
2493he was number three or four
2494in the organization.
2495
2496544
249700:28:00,262 --> 00:28:02,723
2498Yes, that was
2499my understanding as well.
2500
2501545
250200:28:02,807 --> 00:28:04,975
2503And the claim that
2504Zubaydah was a major player
2505
2506546
250700:28:05,059 --> 00:28:07,499
2508was the main justification they
2509gave to the Justice Department
2510
2511547
251200:28:07,561 --> 00:28:09,021
2513for needing to go harder.
2514
2515548
251600:28:09,105 --> 00:28:10,916
2517They were certain
2518he knew about the next attack.
2519
2520549
252100:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,566
2522But last night I found this.
2523
2524550
252500:28:13,984 --> 00:28:16,487
2526Turns out Zubaydah wasn't three
2527or four in the organization.
2528
2529551
253000:28:16,570 --> 00:28:18,823
2531He wasn't part of
2532Al Qaeda leadership at all.
2533
2534552
253500:28:18,906 --> 00:28:20,950
2536They only had one source
2537calling him that,
2538
2539553
254000:28:21,033 --> 00:28:23,327
2541and that source later admitted
2542he was lying.
2543
2544554
254500:28:23,411 --> 00:28:26,080
2546So, they exaggerated who he was
2547
2548555
254900:28:26,163 --> 00:28:28,707
2550to the president
2551and the Department of Justice
2552
2553556
255400:28:28,791 --> 00:28:32,128
2555in order to get legal approvals
2556for these new techniques?
2557
2558557
255900:28:32,211 --> 00:28:33,671
2560Is that what you're saying?
2561
2562558
256300:28:33,754 --> 00:28:36,424
2564I think that's a possibility.
2565
2566559
256700:28:36,507 --> 00:28:38,217
2568The program
2569really starts with him.
2570
2571560
257200:28:42,930 --> 00:28:45,224
2573Have you guys
2574used this thing before?
2575
2576561
257700:28:45,307 --> 00:28:47,476
2578The waterboard?
2579
2580562
258100:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,270
2582No, it's a Navy thing.
2583
2584563
258500:28:49,353 --> 00:28:51,063
2586But we watched a video.
2587
2588564
258900:28:51,147 --> 00:28:52,648
2590We tested it on each other,
2591
2592565
259300:28:52,731 --> 00:28:55,276
2594just to get a feel
2595for the experience.
2596
2597566
259800:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,027
2599Is it safe?
2600
2601567
260200:28:58,612 --> 00:28:59,864
2603Yes.
2604
2605568
260600:29:07,371 --> 00:29:09,457
2607♪ Monarch to the kingdom
2608of the dead... ♪
2609
2610569
261100:29:11,417 --> 00:29:14,044
2612Who are
2613the operatives inside the U.S.?
2614
2615570
261600:29:14,128 --> 00:29:15,504
2617I don't know!
2618
2619571
262000:29:15,588 --> 00:29:17,965
2621♪ Infamous... ♪
2622
2623572
262400:29:20,134 --> 00:29:21,677
2625When is the next attack?
2626
2627573
262800:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,761
2629I don't know.
2630
2631574
263200:29:31,395 --> 00:29:35,608
2633One, two, three, four, five,
2634
2635575
263600:29:35,691 --> 00:29:40,237
2637six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11,
2638
2639576
264000:29:40,321 --> 00:29:42,948
264112, 13, 14,
2642
2643577
264400:29:43,032 --> 00:29:46,452
264515, 16, 17, 18,
2646
2647578
264800:29:46,535 --> 00:29:50,039
264919, 20, 21, 22,
2650
2651579
265200:29:50,122 --> 00:29:54,835
265323, 24, 25, 26.
2654
2655580
265600:30:01,842 --> 00:30:04,553
2657When is the next attack?
2658
2659581
266000:30:04,637 --> 00:30:07,473
2661Who are the operatives
2662inside the U.S.?
2663
2664582
266500:30:11,894 --> 00:30:13,854
2666Anything in that bag
2667contain the real names
2668
2669583
267000:30:13,938 --> 00:30:16,148
2671of CIA officers,
2672assets or partners,
2673
2674584
267500:30:16,232 --> 00:30:18,609
2676or any information that would
2677violate the agreement between
2678
2679585
268000:30:18,692 --> 00:30:21,570
2681the Central Intelligence Agency
2682and the United States Senate?
2683
2684586
268500:30:21,654 --> 00:30:23,489
2686- All good.
2687- All right, good night.
2688
2689587
269000:30:23,572 --> 00:30:25,241
2691- Have a good night, Jay.
2692- Get home safe.
2693
2694588
269500:30:25,324 --> 00:30:27,409
2696Good night.
2697
2698589
269900:30:42,883 --> 00:30:45,052
2700Dan Jones?
2701
2702590
270300:30:48,264 --> 00:30:49,723
2704Do I know you?
2705
2706591
270700:30:49,807 --> 00:30:51,892
2708No, but I think I can help you.
2709
2710592
271100:30:51,976 --> 00:30:54,937
2712- Help-help me with what?
2713- The EIT program.
2714
2715593
271600:30:55,020 --> 00:30:57,106
2717That's what you're
2718looking into, isn't it?
2719
2720594
272100:30:59,775 --> 00:31:03,153
2722I need to know
2723I won't be named, anywhere.
2724
2725595
272600:31:03,237 --> 00:31:05,030
2727I'm still with the Agency.
2728
2729596
273000:31:05,114 --> 00:31:08,701
2731My even being here with you,
2732talking, is...
2733
2734597
273500:31:12,496 --> 00:31:13,872
2736What was your involvement?
2737
2738598
273900:31:13,956 --> 00:31:17,543
2740Office of Medical Services,
2741black sites.
2742
2743599
274400:31:17,626 --> 00:31:20,713
2745- So, you're a doctor?
2746- Physician's assistant.
2747
2748600
274900:31:20,796 --> 00:31:22,339
2750The American Medical Association
2751
2752601
275300:31:22,423 --> 00:31:23,882
2754won't allow doctors
2755to be involved.
2756
2757602
275800:31:23,966 --> 00:31:26,302
2759Do no harm.
2760
2761603
276200:31:26,385 --> 00:31:28,554
2763We're the next best thing.
2764
2765604
276600:31:28,637 --> 00:31:31,223
2767I was there
2768when the contractors arrived.
2769
2770605
277100:31:33,309 --> 00:31:35,686
2772They made tapes of the
2773Abu Zubaydah interrogations,
2774
2775606
277600:31:35,769 --> 00:31:37,187
2777but there's a 21-hour period
2778
2779607
278000:31:37,271 --> 00:31:39,231
2781where the transcripts
2782are missing... nothing.
2783
2784608
278500:31:39,315 --> 00:31:41,025
2786They were using the waterboard.
2787
2788609
278900:31:41,108 --> 00:31:43,027
2790Zubaydah lost consciousness.
2791
2792610
279300:31:43,110 --> 00:31:45,279
2794He was choking to death,
2795drowning.
2796
2797611
279800:31:45,362 --> 00:31:47,156
2799Not just thinking
2800he was drowning,
2801
2802612
280300:31:47,239 --> 00:31:48,991
2804he was actually
2805fucking drowning.
2806
2807613
280800:31:50,909 --> 00:31:52,661
2809I was told that the waterboard
2810
2811614
281200:31:52,745 --> 00:31:54,913
2813was only gonna be used
2814as a last resort.
2815
2816615
281700:31:54,997 --> 00:31:57,249
2818The contractors did
2819an assessment of the prisoner,
2820
2821616
282200:31:57,333 --> 00:31:59,460
2823- and they made a call...
2824- What kind of assessment?
2825
2826617
282700:31:59,543 --> 00:32:01,378
2828Th-They bounced him
2829off the walls a few times
2830
2831618
283200:32:01,462 --> 00:32:03,964
2833and then strapped him down and
2834poured water down his throat.
2835
2836619
283700:32:04,048 --> 00:32:05,966
2838We understand this is
2839a different approach,
2840
2841620
284200:32:06,050 --> 00:32:08,218
2843- but it's based on science.
2844- Science?
2845
2846621
284700:32:08,302 --> 00:32:09,928
2848Oh, come on. What science?
2849
2850622
285100:32:10,012 --> 00:32:12,157
2852- Have you seen their science?
2853- They believe the waterboard
2854
2855623
285600:32:12,181 --> 00:32:13,575
2857is working here
2858to create compliance.
2859
2860624
286100:32:13,599 --> 00:32:14,850
2862Well, of course they do.
2863
2864625
286500:32:14,933 --> 00:32:17,019
2866They're the ones who get
2867to decide when it's used.
2868
2869626
287000:32:17,102 --> 00:32:19,772
2871And they're also the ones who
2872get to decide if it's working.
2873
2874627
287500:32:19,855 --> 00:32:21,440
2876How is that even ethical?
2877
2878628
287900:32:21,523 --> 00:32:23,609
2880The people we're dealing with
2881weaponized daily life.
2882
2883629
288400:32:23,692 --> 00:32:26,153
2885Would you like to talk about
2886the ethics of that?
2887
2888630
288900:32:27,071 --> 00:32:28,405
2890We're here to make sure
2891
2892631
289300:32:28,489 --> 00:32:30,949
2894that nothing like that
2895ever happens again.
2896
2897632
289800:32:31,033 --> 00:32:32,451
2899They're training their people
2900
2901633
290200:32:32,534 --> 00:32:33,845
2903to resist
2904traditional interrogations
2905
2906634
290700:32:33,869 --> 00:32:35,149
2908in the back of a cave somewhere.
2909
2910635
291100:32:35,204 --> 00:32:37,456
2912So we need to change
2913our approach
2914
2915636
291600:32:37,539 --> 00:32:41,627
2917before another bomb goes off
2918or another building falls down.
2919
2920637
292100:32:41,710 --> 00:32:43,295
2922Okay, okay.
2923
2924638
292500:32:43,379 --> 00:32:47,132
2926What is gonna happen when one
2927of our soldiers gets captured
2928
2929639
293000:32:47,216 --> 00:32:49,885
2931and takes out a card with
2932the Geneva Convention on it
2933
2934640
293500:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,346
2936and wants to be treated
2937like a human being?
2938
2939641
294000:32:52,429 --> 00:32:54,973
2941You think his captors
2942aren't gonna remember
2943
2944642
294500:32:55,057 --> 00:32:56,975
2946the way these people
2947were treated here?
2948
2949643
295000:32:57,059 --> 00:33:00,062
2951- And for what?
2952- Do you have a kid at home?
2953
2954644
295500:33:02,898 --> 00:33:05,818
2956We're not gonna get beat again.
2957
2958645
295900:33:05,901 --> 00:33:07,152
2960Besides the chief of station,
2961
2962646
296300:33:07,236 --> 00:33:09,446
2964did you report your concerns
2965up the chain of command?
2966
2967647
296800:33:09,530 --> 00:33:12,199
2969We got a cable from
2970Director Rodriguez
2971
2972648
297300:33:12,282 --> 00:33:15,327
2974telling us to stop putting
2975our objections in writing.
2976
2977649
297800:33:15,411 --> 00:33:17,579
2979No paper trail.
2980
2981650
298200:33:17,663 --> 00:33:20,833
2983I told them if they were gonna
2984keep using the new techniques,
2985
2986651
298700:33:20,916 --> 00:33:22,751
2988I wanted out.
2989
2990652
299100:33:22,835 --> 00:33:25,504
2992I wasn't the only one.
2993Guys were choking up.
2994
2995653
299600:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,551
2997It's all in the e-mails.
2998
2999654
300000:33:34,930 --> 00:33:37,057
3001As early as November 2001,
3002
3003655
300400:33:37,141 --> 00:33:40,144
3005the CIA's legal team
3006circulated a memorandum
3007
3008656
300900:33:40,227 --> 00:33:41,770
3010describing a novel legal defense
3011
3012657
301300:33:41,854 --> 00:33:44,106
3014for their officers
3015who might engage in torture.
3016
3017658
301800:33:44,189 --> 00:33:46,734
3019Come on. They actually
3020called it torture?
3021
3022659
302300:33:46,817 --> 00:33:48,277
3024The CIA?
3025
3026660
302700:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,404
3028They just forgot
3029we have laws against that?
3030
3031661
303200:33:50,487 --> 00:33:52,781
3033Yes, sir.
3034Mitchell and Jessen renamed it
3035
3036662
303700:33:52,865 --> 00:33:54,742
3038"enhanced interrogation"
3039to help sell it,
3040
3041663
304200:33:54,825 --> 00:33:56,618
3043but the Agency was
3044talking about doing it
3045
3046664
304700:33:56,702 --> 00:33:58,328
3048before they even had
3049a single detainee.
3050
3051665
305200:33:59,621 --> 00:34:01,790
3053How did the CIA know
3054
3055666
305600:34:01,874 --> 00:34:03,667
3057they needed to torture prisoners
3058
3059667
306000:34:03,751 --> 00:34:05,878
3061before they even had one?
3062
3063668
306400:34:05,961 --> 00:34:07,796
3065That didn't come from
3066Cheney and Addington?
3067
3068669
306900:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,757
3070Seems like it happened
3071the other way around.
3072
3073670
307400:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,760
3075The CIA took it
3076to the Bush White House
3077
3078671
307900:34:12,843 --> 00:34:14,803
3080and John Yoo at
3081the Office of Legal Counsel.
3082
3083672
308400:34:14,887 --> 00:34:16,472
3085So, here's where we're at.
3086
3087673
308800:34:16,555 --> 00:34:19,808
3089The crime of torture,
3090as described in Section 2340,
3091
3092674
309300:34:19,892 --> 00:34:23,479
3094requires that the defendant...
3095In this case, an interrogator...
3096
3097675
309800:34:23,562 --> 00:34:26,690
3099Intends to cause
3100severe pain or suffering.
3101
3102676
310300:34:26,774 --> 00:34:29,693
3104But in this case, that's not
3105the interrogator's intent.
3106
3107677
310800:34:29,777 --> 00:34:32,946
3109Right. The intent is to gain
3110intel, save American lives.
3111
3112678
311300:34:33,030 --> 00:34:35,783
3114But, John,
3115what if the techniques
3116
3117679
311800:34:35,866 --> 00:34:37,534
3119the interrogator employs
3120do nonetheless
3121
3122680
312300:34:37,618 --> 00:34:39,161
3124cause pain and suffering?
3125
3126681
312700:34:39,244 --> 00:34:40,788
3128How do we deal with that?
3129
3130682
313100:34:40,871 --> 00:34:43,874
3132Well, the key phrase is
3133"severe pain or suffering."
3134
3135683
313600:34:43,957 --> 00:34:46,460
3137But 2340 never actually defines
3138the term "severe."
3139
3140684
314100:34:46,543 --> 00:34:49,630
3142We found this definition
3143in a Medicare statute.
3144
3145685
314600:34:51,423 --> 00:34:55,427
3147"Acute symptoms that place the
3148individual in serious jeopardy
3149
3150686
315100:34:55,511 --> 00:34:57,721
3152- "and are hard to endure."
3153- Meaning?
3154
3155687
315600:34:57,805 --> 00:35:00,015
3157To constitute torture,
3158
3159688
316000:35:00,098 --> 00:35:04,728
3161the damage done must rise
3162to the level of organ failure,
3163
3164689
316500:35:04,812 --> 00:35:09,024
3166impairment of bodily function,
3167or death.
3168
3169690
317000:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,568
3171So, basically, if someone dies,
3172we're doing it wrong?
3173
3174691
317500:35:11,652 --> 00:35:13,570
3176If the president
3177deemed it necessary
3178
3179692
318000:35:13,654 --> 00:35:16,532
3181to... crush the testicles
3182of a child
3183
3184693
318500:35:16,615 --> 00:35:18,617
3186to stop a plane
3187from crashing into a building,
3188
3189694
319000:35:18,700 --> 00:35:19,993
3191to save American lives,
3192
3193695
319400:35:20,077 --> 00:35:22,955
3195there is no law or treaty
3196that could stop him.
3197
3198696
319900:35:23,038 --> 00:35:25,749
3200I can make the same argument for
3201
3202697
320300:35:25,833 --> 00:35:29,044
3204gouging out a prisoner's eyes
3205or dousing him with acid.
3206
3207698
320800:35:30,128 --> 00:35:31,505
3209In our opinion,
3210
3211699
321200:35:31,588 --> 00:35:36,802
3213if it provides unique
3214intelligence that saves lives,
3215
3216700
321700:35:36,885 --> 00:35:39,012
3218and doesn't cause
3219any lasting harm,
3220
3221701
322200:35:39,096 --> 00:35:41,223
3223then it's legal
3224for the president to order it.
3225
3226702
322700:35:41,306 --> 00:35:43,433
3228What do we mean
3229when we say "unique"?
3230
3231703
323200:35:43,517 --> 00:35:46,144
3233Intelligence that couldn't have
3234been obtained any other way.
3235
3236704
323700:35:48,981 --> 00:35:51,358
3238And you've discussed all of this
3239
3240705
324100:35:51,441 --> 00:35:53,235
3242with the White House, I assume?
3243
3244706
324500:35:53,318 --> 00:35:54,695
3246And?
3247
3248707
324900:35:54,778 --> 00:35:57,614
3250Did they tell Bush what
3251they were gonna do to Zubaydah?
3252
3253708
325400:35:57,698 --> 00:35:59,634
3255- No.
3256- And National Security Advisor Rice...
3257
3258709
325900:35:59,658 --> 00:36:01,761
3260- Where was she in all this?
3261- National Security Advisor Rice
3262
3263710
326400:36:01,785 --> 00:36:04,204
3265was told about the program,
3266but she was also told
3267
3268711
326900:36:04,288 --> 00:36:06,665
3270the president
3271would not be briefed.
3272
3273712
327400:36:06,748 --> 00:36:08,792
3275Who tells the president's
3276national security advisor
3277
3278713
327900:36:08,876 --> 00:36:10,836
3280not to brief the president?
3281
3282714
328300:36:12,337 --> 00:36:14,756
3284Cheney and Addington.
3285
3286715
328700:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,260
3288According to CIA records, Bush
3289wasn't told about the program
3290
3291716
329200:36:18,343 --> 00:36:23,223
3293until April of 2006,
3294four years later.
3295
3296717
329700:36:27,561 --> 00:36:29,229
3298And the records we found state
3299
3300718
330100:36:29,313 --> 00:36:32,816
3302that when the president was
3303finally told about the program,
3304
3305719
330600:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,236
3307he expressed discomfort
3308with the image of a detainee
3309
3310720
331100:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,920
3312chained to the ceiling,
3313wearing a diaper,
3314
3315721
331600:36:37,988 --> 00:36:40,616
3317and forced to go
3318to the bathroom on himself.
3319
3320722
332100:36:40,699 --> 00:36:44,578
3322How long till you can
3323get this thing done, Dan?
3324
3325723
332600:36:44,661 --> 00:36:46,663
3327We've got to get this out.
3328
3329724
333000:36:52,085 --> 00:36:54,796
3331What about this guy, Gul Rahman?
3332
3333725
333400:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,341
3335Captured in Peshawar,
3336November 2002.
3337
3338726
333900:36:57,424 --> 00:37:00,594
3340He's not at Gitmo.
3341He's-he's not anywhere.
3342
3343727
334400:37:06,141 --> 00:37:07,893
3345Gul Rahman.
3346
3347728
334800:37:07,976 --> 00:37:09,728
3349Gul...
3350
3351729
335200:37:09,811 --> 00:37:12,606
3353No. They didn't tell
3354the committee about him.
3355
3356730
335700:37:12,689 --> 00:37:15,275
3358He's detainee number 24.
3359
3360731
336100:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,783
3362HQ says he knows
3363
3364732
336500:37:22,866 --> 00:37:25,786
3366operational detail
3367about Al Qaeda.
3368
3369733
337000:37:25,869 --> 00:37:27,496
3371The guy's an asshole.
3372
3373734
337400:37:27,579 --> 00:37:30,207
3375Threw his food at us, he
3376threatened to kill the guards.
3377
3378735
337900:37:30,290 --> 00:37:34,169
3380I've asked headquarters
3381to approve the application
3382
3383736
338400:37:34,252 --> 00:37:36,964
3385of the enhanced measures
3386for this detainee,
3387
3388737
338900:37:37,047 --> 00:37:38,715
3390and the request
3391has been approved.
3392
3393738
339400:37:38,799 --> 00:37:42,219
3395- Oh, great. We haven't had any luck loosening him up.
3396- Mm.
3397
3398739
339900:37:42,302 --> 00:37:43,845
3400Come on!
3401
3402740
340300:37:43,929 --> 00:37:45,448
3404Ran him up and down the hall,
3405
3406741
340700:37:45,472 --> 00:37:47,849
3408beat the crap out of him...
3409Nothing.
3410
3411742
341200:37:47,933 --> 00:37:52,229
3413Even been trying this thing
3414they call short shackling.
3415
3416743
341700:37:52,312 --> 00:37:54,564
3418Chain a dude's hands
3419to a bolt on the floor.
3420
3421744
342200:37:56,316 --> 00:37:58,777
3423Then you chain his feet
3424to the same bolt.
3425
3426745
342700:37:58,860 --> 00:38:01,571
3428Farmers call it hog-tying,
3429I think.
3430
3431746
343200:38:01,655 --> 00:38:04,116
3433He finally admitted
3434to something.
3435
3436747
343700:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,450
3438What was that?
3439
3440748
344100:38:05,534 --> 00:38:09,621
3442Gul Rahman.
3443
3444749
344500:38:11,915 --> 00:38:17,337
3446What you want to do first is
3447take away his sense of control.
3448
3449750
345000:38:17,421 --> 00:38:19,840
3451If you like, I could spend
3452some time showing you
3453
3454751
345500:38:19,923 --> 00:38:23,010
3456how to achieve this
3457with the enhanced techniques.
3458
3459752
346000:38:24,594 --> 00:38:25,887
3461Great.
3462
3463753
346400:38:25,971 --> 00:38:29,141
3465We got another 30 guys here
3466to deal with.
3467
3468754
346900:38:30,934 --> 00:38:34,604
3470I heard you told the doctor
3471you were cold.
3472
3473755
347400:38:37,858 --> 00:38:39,234
3475♪ The beautiful people ♪
3476
3477756
347800:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,194
3479- ♪ The beautiful people ♪
3480- ♪ Ah ♪
3481
3482757
348300:38:41,278 --> 00:38:42,779
3484♪ The beautiful people ♪
3485
3486758
348700:38:42,863 --> 00:38:44,343
3488- ♪ The beautiful people ♪
3489- ♪ Ah... ♪
3490
3491759
349200:38:53,081 --> 00:38:55,417
3493Senator, do you have
3494a few minutes this morning?
3495
3496760
349700:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,295
3498Absolutely. Come on in, Dan.
3499
3500761
350100:38:58,378 --> 00:39:00,964
3502The senator is
3503needed on the floor for a vote.
3504
3505762
350600:39:01,048 --> 00:39:02,883
3507Uh, give her five minutes.
3508
3509763
351000:39:04,551 --> 00:39:06,928
3511Did you sleep last night, Dan?
3512
3513764
351400:39:10,057 --> 00:39:12,309
3515Uh, Senator, a prisoner died.
3516
3517765
351800:39:12,392 --> 00:39:14,078
3519♪ There's no time ♪
3520
3521766
352200:39:14,102 --> 00:39:16,772
3523♪ To discriminate,
3524hate every motherfucker ♪
3525
3526767
352700:39:16,855 --> 00:39:18,065
3528♪ That's in your... ♪
3529
3530768
353100:39:18,148 --> 00:39:20,609
3532Gul Rahman.
3533
3534769
353500:39:20,692 --> 00:39:23,070
3536They thought he was maybe
3537working for an Afghan warlord
3538
3539770
354000:39:23,153 --> 00:39:24,988
3541or that he knew something
3542about an attack.
3543
3544771
354500:39:25,072 --> 00:39:26,865
3546- Did he?
3547- No, he died before they found out
3548
3549772
355000:39:26,948 --> 00:39:28,825
3551anything besides his name.
3552
3553773
355400:39:28,909 --> 00:39:30,410
3555Dumped cold water on him
3556one night
3557
3558774
355900:39:30,494 --> 00:39:32,412
3560and found him dead in his cell
3561in the morning.
3562
3563775
356400:39:32,496 --> 00:39:33,997
3565The autopsy said hypothermia.
3566
3567776
356800:39:34,081 --> 00:39:37,250
3569- Where did you get this from?
3570- Inspector general's report.
3571
3572777
357300:39:37,334 --> 00:39:41,713
3574CIA did their own investigation
3575into the death of Gul Rahman.
3576
3577778
357800:39:43,882 --> 00:39:45,592
3579The officer in charge
3580was recommended
3581
3582779
358300:39:45,675 --> 00:39:47,260
3584for a performance bonus.
3585
3586780
358700:39:47,344 --> 00:39:48,595
3588They promoted him.
3589
3590781
359100:39:48,678 --> 00:39:50,680
3592He's still out there
3593in the field.
3594
3595782
359600:39:55,102 --> 00:39:58,814
3597Well, are you accusing the CIA
3598of murder, Dan?
3599
3600783
360100:40:00,690 --> 00:40:03,026
3602Because that sounds like
3603where this is going.
3604
3605784
360600:40:03,110 --> 00:40:04,903
3607We have proof
3608the deputy director
3609
3610785
361100:40:04,986 --> 00:40:08,031
3612coached the officer in charge
3613how to cover up what happened,
3614
3615786
361600:40:08,115 --> 00:40:10,534
3617told him to be careful
3618what he put in writing.
3619
3620787
362100:40:12,119 --> 00:40:13,870
3622So, why would they need
3623to cover it up
3624
3625788
362600:40:13,954 --> 00:40:15,994
3627if they were following
3628standard operating procedure?
3629
3630789
363100:40:16,998 --> 00:40:18,542
3632Why didn't they tell
3633the committee?
3634
3635790
363600:40:18,625 --> 00:40:20,877
3637Why didn't they tell you?
3638
3639791
364000:40:25,048 --> 00:40:27,551
3641I'm gonna need to review
3642all this personally.
3643
3644792
364500:40:29,136 --> 00:40:30,554
3646It's very disconcerting.
3647
3648793
364900:40:39,062 --> 00:40:41,606
3650"Disconcerting"?
3651"Very disconcerting"?
3652
3653794
365400:40:41,690 --> 00:40:43,358
3655Dan, you need to be
3656careful here.
3657
3658795
365900:40:43,441 --> 00:40:45,861
3660You're getting
3661emotionally involved.
3662
3663796
366400:40:45,944 --> 00:40:48,989
3665They fucking killed a guy, and
3666nobody was held accountable?
3667
3668797
366900:40:50,574 --> 00:40:52,325
3670W-We don't know
3671he was a terrorist.
3672
3673798
367400:40:52,409 --> 00:40:55,287
3675- We barely even know his name.
3676- I understand.
3677
3678799
367900:40:55,370 --> 00:40:57,164
3680And what you need
3681to understand is that
3682
3683800
368400:40:57,247 --> 00:41:00,167
3685her name is going
3686on this report, not yours.
3687
3688801
368900:41:00,250 --> 00:41:02,103
3690Senate staff doesn't
3691have to run for reelection,
3692
3693802
369400:41:02,127 --> 00:41:03,545
3695but she does.
3696
3697803
369800:41:03,628 --> 00:41:06,882
3699Their legal argument said EITs
3700wouldn't cause lasting harm.
3701
3702804
370300:41:06,965 --> 00:41:09,718
3704So how long is Gul Rahman
3705gonna be dead for?
3706
3707805
370800:41:19,269 --> 00:41:21,521
3709Are you guys seeing
3710this Panetta review?
3711
3712806
371300:41:21,605 --> 00:41:23,190
3714It just showed up.
3715
3716807
371700:41:25,066 --> 00:41:26,443
3718I don't understand.
3719
3720808
372100:41:26,526 --> 00:41:29,362
3722Looks like the CIA did
3723their own investigation.
3724
3725809
372600:41:29,446 --> 00:41:32,032
3727It confirms everything
3728we've been finding.
3729
3730810
373100:41:37,287 --> 00:41:41,333
3732So, what are you
3733gonna do with it?
3734
3735811
373600:41:41,416 --> 00:41:43,376
3737Hopefully, nothing.
3738
3739812
374000:41:43,460 --> 00:41:45,670
3741Special Prosecutor Durham,
3742please?
3743
3744813
374500:41:45,754 --> 00:41:48,423
3746I've already left
3747several messages.
3748
3749814
375000:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,634
3751It's Dan Jones again from
3752the Intelligence Committee.
3753
3754815
375500:41:50,717 --> 00:41:51,968
3756How are you?
3757
3758816
375900:41:52,052 --> 00:41:54,346
3760Good. I just wanted
3761to check in again to see
3762
3763817
376400:41:54,429 --> 00:41:56,014
3765if the special prosecutor
3766is available
3767
3768818
376900:41:56,097 --> 00:41:57,599
3770to meet on the CIA probe.
3771
3772819
377300:41:59,059 --> 00:42:01,937
3774It can be off the record.
3775I just want to compare notes.
3776
3777820
377800:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,316
3779Yeah, same number. Thank you.
3780
3781821
378200:42:10,445 --> 00:42:12,215
3783You know, we got to think back
3784
3785822
378600:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,365
3787to the period after 9/11.
3788
3789823
379000:42:13,448 --> 00:42:14,908
3791We didn't even know who hit us.
3792
3793824
379400:42:14,991 --> 00:42:16,344
3795We didn't know that
3796Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was
3797
3798825
379900:42:16,368 --> 00:42:17,661
3800the mastermind of 9/11
3801
3802826
380300:42:17,744 --> 00:42:19,344
3804or the operational commander
3805of Al Qaeda.
3806
3807827
380800:42:19,412 --> 00:42:20,932
3809And then we started rounding up
3810these terrorists.
3811
3812828
381300:42:20,956 --> 00:42:22,207
3814We caught Abu Zubaydah.
3815
3816829
381700:42:22,290 --> 00:42:24,292
3818We caught, uh,
3819Ramzi bin al-Shibh and KSM.
3820
3821830
382200:42:24,376 --> 00:42:26,795
3823And these guys provided us
3824information under questioning
3825
3826831
382700:42:26,878 --> 00:42:30,257
3828by the CIA that stopped
3829a number of terrorist attacks.
3830
3831832
383200:42:30,340 --> 00:42:31,800
3833They were pl-planning to blow up
3834
3835833
383600:42:31,883 --> 00:42:33,443
3837the U.S. consulate
3838in Karachi, Pakistan.
3839
3840834
384100:42:33,468 --> 00:42:35,071
3842- Shit.
3843- They were planning to blow up
3844
3845835
384600:42:35,095 --> 00:42:36,295
3847our Marine camp in Djibouti...
3848
3849836
385000:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,562
3851- Good morning.
3852- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was
3853
3854837
385500:42:44,646 --> 00:42:49,401
3856indicted in New York for trying
3857to blow up airplanes in 1995.
3858
3859838
386000:42:49,484 --> 00:42:50,902
3861The CIA already knew about him.
3862
3863839
386400:42:50,986 --> 00:42:52,654
3865They knew he was close
3866to bin Laden.
3867
3868840
386900:42:52,737 --> 00:42:54,340
3870They knew about him before
3871Zubaydah ever identified him.
3872
3873841
387400:42:54,364 --> 00:42:55,740
3875How long have you been here?
3876
3877842
387800:42:55,824 --> 00:42:57,664
3879Also, according to this cable...
3880A few hours...
3881
3882843
388300:42:57,742 --> 00:42:59,244
3884A CIA officer in Islamabad
3885
3886844
388700:42:59,327 --> 00:43:01,204
3888began working someone
3889they call Asset X.
3890
3891845
389200:43:01,288 --> 00:43:04,874
3893X claimed to have
3894direct access to KSM,
3895
3896846
389700:43:04,958 --> 00:43:07,294
3898but was eventually turned away
3899when he asked for money.
3900
3901847
390200:43:08,378 --> 00:43:10,755
3903- How much money?
3904- Few thousand bucks.
3905
3906848
390700:43:10,839 --> 00:43:13,133
3908Two years later, after
3909they've been putting him off,
3910
3911849
391200:43:13,216 --> 00:43:15,510
3913putting him off, putting him
3914off, they finally pay him,
3915
3916850
391700:43:15,593 --> 00:43:17,095
3918and almost immediately
3919he sends a text
3920
3921851
392200:43:17,178 --> 00:43:19,639
3923"I'm with KSM."
3924
3925852
392600:43:19,723 --> 00:43:22,225
3927It had nothing to do
3928with the waterboard.
3929
3930853
393100:43:22,309 --> 00:43:24,894
3932- Good morning.
3933- Good morning.
3934
3935854
393600:43:41,161 --> 00:43:43,830
3937One, two, three,
3938
3939855
394000:43:43,913 --> 00:43:46,082
3941four, five, six...
3942
3943856
394400:43:46,166 --> 00:43:48,626
3945Who are you
3946working with in the U.S.?
3947
3948857
394900:43:48,710 --> 00:43:51,838
3950Seven, eight, nine, 10, 11...
3951
3952858
395300:43:51,921 --> 00:43:53,882
3954We have your kids!
3955
3956859
395700:43:53,965 --> 00:43:56,551
3958- 12, 13, 14, 15,
3959- ♪ Yankee Doodle, keep it up ♪
3960
3961860
396200:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,511
3963- 16, 17...
3964- ♪ Yankee Doodle dandy... ♪
3965
3966861
396700:43:58,595 --> 00:44:01,264
3968It will stop if you talk!
3969
3970862
397100:44:01,348 --> 00:44:04,559
3972♪ And with the girls be handy,
3973Yankee Doodle... ♪
3974
3975863
397600:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,770
3977Where is the next attack?
3978
3979864
398000:44:06,853 --> 00:44:08,164
3981Canary Wharf! Canary Wharf!
3982
3983865
398400:44:08,188 --> 00:44:09,939
3985♪ Stuck a feather in ♪
3986
3987866
398800:44:10,023 --> 00:44:11,608
3989♪ His hat and called it... ♪
3990
3991867
399200:44:11,691 --> 00:44:12,918
3993Okay, here's the problem.
3994
3995868
399600:44:12,942 --> 00:44:14,527
3997We already know about
3998
3999869
400000:44:14,611 --> 00:44:16,738
4001the Heathrow
4002and Canary Wharf plots.
4003
4004870
400500:44:16,821 --> 00:44:19,407
4006He knows that.
4007It's in his goddamn notebook.
4008
4009871
401000:44:19,491 --> 00:44:21,701
4011We asked about plots
4012in the U.S., not London.
4013
4014872
401500:44:21,785 --> 00:44:24,120
4016- He's fucking with you again.
4017- To be honest,
4018
4019873
402000:44:24,204 --> 00:44:27,165
4021I've never met a resistor
4022like this guy.
4023
4024874
402500:44:27,248 --> 00:44:28,750
4026He's a super resistor.
4027
4028875
402900:44:28,833 --> 00:44:30,502
4030He lied to you to make you stop.
4031
4032876
403300:44:30,585 --> 00:44:32,730
4034He just tells us shit
4035he knows we already have.
4036
4037877
403800:44:32,754 --> 00:44:34,089
4039That's all he does.
4040
4041878
404200:44:34,172 --> 00:44:36,716
4043Then that's what we're learning.
4044
4045879
404600:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,387
4047That's what the waterboard
4048is giving us.
4049
4050880
405100:44:41,971 --> 00:44:44,724
4052We now know he's lying.
4053
4054881
405500:44:44,808 --> 00:44:46,851
4056I thought it was meant
4057to give us the truth.
4058
4059882
406000:44:46,935 --> 00:44:50,855
4061And... the truth is he's lying.
4062
4063883
406400:44:58,196 --> 00:45:01,199
4065Headquarters says we go again.
4066
4067884
406800:45:02,492 --> 00:45:04,160
4069The chief of interrogations
4070
4071885
407200:45:04,244 --> 00:45:06,579
4073ordered the rectal rehydration
4074of KSM,
4075
4076886
407700:45:06,663 --> 00:45:08,415
4078not for health reasons,
4079
4080887
408100:45:08,498 --> 00:45:10,792
4082but as a way of showing total
4083control over the detainee.
4084
4085888
408600:45:10,875 --> 00:45:13,753
4087Even though
4088rectal rehydration was never
4089
4090889
409100:45:13,837 --> 00:45:15,731
4092an approved technique.
4093
4094890
409500:45:15,755 --> 00:45:17,650
4096Total control isn't
4097chaining the guy to the wall,
4098
4099891
410000:45:17,674 --> 00:45:19,568
4101keeping him awake for days,
4102and threatening his family?
4103
4104892
410500:45:19,592 --> 00:45:21,219
4106You need to shove a tube
4107up his ass?
4108
4109893
411000:45:21,302 --> 00:45:22,905
4111This right here
4112
4113894
411400:45:22,929 --> 00:45:24,472
4115is the rest of your life
4116
4117895
411800:45:24,556 --> 00:45:26,599
4119unless you start telling the truth.
4120
4121896
412200:45:26,683 --> 00:45:28,244
4123Then they went back
4124to waterboarding him.
4125
4126897
412700:45:28,268 --> 00:45:29,912
4128"When a medical officer
4129pressed on KSM's..."
4130
4131898
413200:45:29,936 --> 00:45:31,563
4133- Wait. Where are you?
4134- Next page.
4135
4136899
413700:45:31,646 --> 00:45:33,648
4138"When a medical officer
4139pressed on KSM's abdomen,
4140
4141900
414200:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,692
4143he expressed water
4144from his mouth and nose."
4145
4146901
414700:45:35,775 --> 00:45:37,694
4148So, he was swallowing
4149all the water.
4150
4151902
415200:45:37,777 --> 00:45:39,028
4153"On March 17th",
4154
4155903
415600:45:39,112 --> 00:45:40,864
4157the waterboard technique
4158began to evolve."
4159
4160904
416100:45:43,324 --> 00:45:45,243
4162Interrogators used their hands
4163to maintain
4164
4165905
416600:45:45,326 --> 00:45:48,246
4167a pool of water
4168over KSM's nose and mouth.
4169
4170906
417100:45:58,715 --> 00:46:02,010
4172Who are
4173the operatives inside the U.S.?
4174
4175907
417600:46:02,093 --> 00:46:04,762
4177Issa... Issa...
4178
4179908
418000:46:04,846 --> 00:46:06,806
4181Issa al-Britani.
4182
4183909
418400:46:08,391 --> 00:46:09,851
4185Where is the next attack?
4186
4187910
418800:46:09,934 --> 00:46:11,686
4189M-Montana.
4190
4191911
419200:46:13,188 --> 00:46:15,482
4193We got something.
4194
4195912
419600:46:17,734 --> 00:46:20,862
4197KSM told interrogators he sent
4198Abu Issa al-Britani to the U.S.
4199
4200913
420100:46:20,945 --> 00:46:24,115
4202to recruit African American
4203Muslims in Montana
4204
4205914
420600:46:24,199 --> 00:46:26,117
4207to blow up gas stations
4208and start forest fires.
4209
4210915
421100:46:26,201 --> 00:46:27,202
4212Montana?
4213
4214916
421500:46:27,285 --> 00:46:29,412
4216Muslims in Montana?
4217
4218917
421900:46:29,496 --> 00:46:31,831
4220The FBI had serious doubts
4221as well.
4222
4223918
422400:46:31,915 --> 00:46:34,334
4225Later, KSM admitted
4226he just told them
4227
4228919
422900:46:34,417 --> 00:46:36,794
4230what they wanted to hear
4231to make it stop.
4232
4233920
423400:46:36,878 --> 00:46:40,632
4235So, did they get anything
4236actionable from him at all?
4237
4238921
423900:46:40,715 --> 00:46:42,175
4240Anything that saved lives?
4241
4242922
424300:46:42,258 --> 00:46:45,595
4244They waterboarded him
4245183 times, and then concluded
4246
4247923
424800:46:45,678 --> 00:46:47,764
4249KSM may never be
4250forthcoming or honest.
4251
4252924
425300:46:47,847 --> 00:46:49,599
4254Everything they got from him
4255
4256925
425700:46:49,682 --> 00:46:52,769
4258was either a lie
4259or something they already had.
4260
4261926
426200:46:52,852 --> 00:46:55,522
4263Well, okay,
4264so my first question is:
4265
4266927
426700:46:55,605 --> 00:46:59,859
4268If it works, why do you need
4269to do it 183 times?
4270
4271928
427200:47:00,944 --> 00:47:02,320
4273Maybe when the report comes out,
4274
4275929
427600:47:02,403 --> 00:47:04,030
4277people will finally see that.
4278
4279930
428000:47:04,113 --> 00:47:07,367
4281Well, let's worry about getting
4282it right, getting it done.
4283
4284931
428500:47:07,450 --> 00:47:09,827
4286We can worry about
4287changing the world later.
4288
4289932
429000:47:24,467 --> 00:47:26,261
4291Sorry I'm late.
4292
4293933
429400:47:26,344 --> 00:47:28,388
4295It's okay.
4296
4297934
429800:47:28,471 --> 00:47:31,099
4299- Barely slept.
4300- Want some coffee?
4301
4302935
430300:47:34,602 --> 00:47:36,521
4304Hey, can I ask you something?
4305
4306936
430700:47:36,604 --> 00:47:38,856
4308You ever, uh, have dreams,
4309
4310937
431100:47:38,940 --> 00:47:41,568
4312you know, about the stuff
4313that's in the report?
4314
4315938
431600:47:43,069 --> 00:47:45,905
4317Yeah. I have one
4318where I'm drowning.
4319
4320939
432100:47:45,989 --> 00:47:48,366
4322I can't move my arms or legs.
4323I can't breathe.
4324
4325940
432600:47:48,449 --> 00:47:50,743
4327- That wakes me up.
4328- Last night I dreamt
4329
4330941
433100:47:50,827 --> 00:47:53,705
4332I was trapped in
4333one of those confinement boxes.
4334
4335942
433600:47:53,788 --> 00:47:55,540
4337They just left me there.
4338
4339943
434000:47:55,623 --> 00:47:58,167
4341Daniel Jones, right?
4342
4343944
434400:47:58,251 --> 00:48:00,628
4345- Do I know you?
4346- I just wanted to tell you to your face
4347
4348945
434900:48:00,712 --> 00:48:02,755
4350that I think you
4351and that report are garbage.
4352
4353946
435400:48:02,839 --> 00:48:04,507
4355- Excuse me...
4356- You weren't there,
4357
4358947
435900:48:04,591 --> 00:48:06,467
4360so you don't know
4361what worked and what didn't
4362
4363948
436400:48:06,551 --> 00:48:07,719
4365or what we were up against.
4366
4367949
436800:48:07,802 --> 00:48:09,512
4369You may not realize,
4370but we were trying
4371
4372950
437300:48:09,596 --> 00:48:11,764
4374to protect this country
4375from people who want to destroy
4376
4377951
437800:48:11,848 --> 00:48:13,141
4379everything we believe in.
4380
4381952
438200:48:13,224 --> 00:48:15,059
4383You may not realize it,
4384
4385953
438600:48:15,143 --> 00:48:17,437
4387but we're trying to do
4388the exact same thing.
4389
4390954
439100:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,940
4392Your bullshit report will
4393never see the light of day.
4394
4395955
439600:48:24,986 --> 00:48:27,113
4397Special Prosecutor
4398Durham, please.
4399
4400956
440100:48:27,196 --> 00:48:29,282
4402It's Dan Jones, calling again
4403
4404957
440500:48:29,365 --> 00:48:32,285
4406about the Justice Department
4407investigation of the CIA.
4408
4409958
441000:48:32,368 --> 00:48:34,078
4411We really need to meet.
4412
4413959
441400:48:35,663 --> 00:48:37,123
4415You have?
4416
4417960
441800:48:38,708 --> 00:48:40,960
4419Okay, what are their findings?
4420
4421961
442200:48:51,304 --> 00:48:53,139
4423Fuck!
4424
4425962
442600:48:53,222 --> 00:48:55,016
4427Nothing?
4428
4429963
443000:48:55,099 --> 00:48:56,601
4431No indictments at all?
4432
4433964
443400:48:56,684 --> 00:48:58,770
4435No charges against
4436Jose Rodriguez or Gina Haspel
4437
4438965
443900:48:58,853 --> 00:49:00,229
4440for destroying the tapes.
4441
4442966
444300:49:00,313 --> 00:49:02,523
4444Nothing against the CIA
4445for torturing people.
4446
4447967
444800:49:02,607 --> 00:49:04,168
4449Nothing against
4450Jim Pavitt and the others
4451
4452968
445300:49:04,192 --> 00:49:06,402
4454for providing misinformation,
4455nothing at all.
4456
4457969
445800:49:06,486 --> 00:49:08,655
4459DOJ says they don't have
4460enough admissible evidence
4461
4462970
446300:49:08,738 --> 00:49:10,698
4464to convict anyone.
4465
4466971
446700:49:10,782 --> 00:49:12,801
4468You go after the contractors,
4469and they're indemnified.
4470
4471972
447200:49:12,825 --> 00:49:14,261
4473You go after
4474the head of Counterterrorism,
4475
4476973
447700:49:14,285 --> 00:49:15,995
4478and he'd just say
4479he was following orders
4480
4481974
448200:49:16,079 --> 00:49:17,205
4483from the CIA director.
4484
4485975
448600:49:17,288 --> 00:49:18,641
4487You go after the director,
4488and he...
4489
4490976
449100:49:18,665 --> 00:49:20,208
4492Well, he would just cite
4493the president.
4494
4495977
449600:49:20,291 --> 00:49:21,852
4497Then the White House
4498would claim national security.
4499
4500978
450100:49:21,876 --> 00:49:24,796
4502DOJ at least share
4503what they found?
4504
4505979
450600:49:24,879 --> 00:49:25,922
4507No.
4508
4509980
451000:49:28,007 --> 00:49:30,551
4511They won't turn anything over.
4512
4513981
451400:49:32,220 --> 00:49:33,971
4515We're the only ones
4516still looking at this.
4517
4518982
451900:49:52,073 --> 00:49:53,908
4520Dan?
4521
4522983
452300:49:55,493 --> 00:49:56,494
4524Dan?
4525
4526984
452700:49:56,577 --> 00:49:58,454
4528You know a CIA officer
4529
4530985
453100:49:58,538 --> 00:50:00,748
4532testified before Congress
4533in 1978 regarding the use of
4534
4535986
453600:50:00,832 --> 00:50:03,960
4537coercive physical interrogation
4538techniques in Latin America?
4539
4540987
454100:50:04,043 --> 00:50:05,837
4542And the officer said
4543the techniques result
4544
4545988
454600:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,214
4547in false answers and have
4548proven to be ineffective.
4549
4550989
455100:50:08,297 --> 00:50:09,817
4552And before Latin America,
4553they did it in Vietnam.
4554
4555990
455600:50:09,841 --> 00:50:10,901
4557They knew it didn't work...
4558
4559991
456000:50:10,925 --> 00:50:12,236
4561Dan, I need
4562to tell you something.
4563
4564992
456500:50:12,260 --> 00:50:13,720
4566And they did it again.
4567
4568993
456900:50:13,803 --> 00:50:14,863
4570Don't even listen
4571to their own fucking people.
4572
4573994
457400:50:14,887 --> 00:50:16,305
4575I'm leaving the study.
4576
4577995
457800:50:16,389 --> 00:50:20,351
4579I... I got a job offer,
4580and I can't turn it down.
4581
4582996
458300:50:20,435 --> 00:50:23,896
4584I'm sorry, but don't you see
4585what this is doing to you?
4586
4587997
458800:50:23,980 --> 00:50:25,148
4589To all of us?
4590
4591998
459200:50:25,231 --> 00:50:26,941
4593I mean, my kids
4594are at home growing up,
4595
4596999
459700:50:27,024 --> 00:50:30,153
4598and I'm down here reading about
4599how they put a power drill
4600
46011000
460200:50:30,236 --> 00:50:31,922
4603against one guy's head
4604and-and how they pulled
4605
46061001
460700:50:31,946 --> 00:50:33,489
4608another guy's arms
4609out of his sockets.
4610
46111002
461200:50:33,573 --> 00:50:35,467
4613And I just... this is
4614how I'm spending my Sundays.
4615
46161003
461700:50:35,491 --> 00:50:37,034
4618And my Saturdays.
4619
46201004
462100:50:37,118 --> 00:50:39,746
4622This is how I spend every day.
4623
46241005
462500:50:39,829 --> 00:50:42,999
4626I just... I-I-I-I can't.
4627
46281006
462900:50:43,082 --> 00:50:47,128
4630Um... I'm gonna leave
4631after Thanksgiving.
4632
46331007
463400:50:53,217 --> 00:50:55,178
4635Okay. I understand.
4636
46371008
463800:50:55,261 --> 00:50:56,804
4639Okay.
4640
46411009
464200:50:56,888 --> 00:50:58,264
4643Thanksgiving.
4644
46451010
464600:50:58,347 --> 00:51:01,517
4647That gives us...
4648that gives us a couple months.
4649
46501011
465100:51:01,601 --> 00:51:04,937
4652Dan, it's November.
4653
46541012
465500:51:05,021 --> 00:51:07,774
4656Thanksgiving is next week.
4657
46581013
465900:51:09,692 --> 00:51:12,862
4660How many pages have
4661we written so far? Thousands?
4662
46631014
466400:51:12,945 --> 00:51:16,324
4665We don't even know
4666if this is ever gonna come out.
4667
46681015
466900:51:16,407 --> 00:51:18,826
4670The tapes investigation
4671never did.
4672
46731016
467400:51:18,910 --> 00:51:20,411
4675It's still classified.
4676
46771017
467800:51:22,121 --> 00:51:24,499
4679The CIA knew
4680this shit didn't work in 1978,
4681
46821018
468300:51:24,582 --> 00:51:27,001
4684and it didn't stop them
4685from doing it again.
4686
46871019
468800:51:28,586 --> 00:51:30,922
4689Look, we've been down here
4690for two years, Dan,
4691
46921020
469300:51:31,005 --> 00:51:33,633
4694in this basement.
4695
46961021
469700:51:33,716 --> 00:51:36,511
4698Nobody's waiting for us
4699to come out.
4700
47011022
470200:52:14,507 --> 00:52:16,759
4703Shocking photos that
4704apparently show U.S. troops
4705
47061023
470700:52:16,843 --> 00:52:19,804
4708abusing detainees in a prison
4709outside Baghdad.
4710
47111024
471200:52:19,887 --> 00:52:21,347
4713We have a problem.
4714
47151025
471600:52:21,430 --> 00:52:23,891
4717Both myself and the president
4718have gone on record
4719
47201026
472100:52:23,975 --> 00:52:26,310
4722saying we do not torture people.
4723
47241027
472500:52:26,394 --> 00:52:29,355
4726He just made a statement
4727for the U.N.'s goddamn
4728
47291028
473000:52:29,438 --> 00:52:32,483
4731Day in Support
4732of Victims of Torture.
4733
47341029
473500:52:32,567 --> 00:52:34,777
4736Wh-What-what did he say?
4737
47381030
473900:52:37,321 --> 00:52:39,615
4740"The United States
4741does not torture."
4742
47431031
474400:52:39,699 --> 00:52:42,994
4745It's against our laws
4746and it's against our values.
4747
47481032
474900:52:43,077 --> 00:52:48,416
4750"I have not authorized it,
4751and I will not authorize it."
4752
47531033
475400:52:50,334 --> 00:52:53,379
4755I'm not sure where
4756that leaves either of us.
4757
47581034
475900:52:53,462 --> 00:52:55,506
4760So, here's the deal.
4761
47621035
476300:52:55,590 --> 00:52:59,093
4764Some new lawyer over at OLC,
4765Jack Goldsmith,
4766
47671036
476800:52:59,176 --> 00:53:01,679
4769is saying there are issues
4770with the John Yoo memo.
4771
47721037
477300:53:01,762 --> 00:53:03,139
4774Legal issues?
4775
47761038
477700:53:03,222 --> 00:53:05,474
4778Yeah, and there's
4779the inspector general's report:
4780
47811039
478200:53:05,558 --> 00:53:08,185
4783allegations of
4784war crimes and torture.
4785
47861040
478700:53:08,269 --> 00:53:11,564
4788Throws the whole
4789program under the goddamn bus.
4790
47911041
479200:53:11,647 --> 00:53:13,274
4793What's it say?
4794
47951042
479600:53:13,357 --> 00:53:17,069
4797"The inspector general finds
4798that EITs are inconsistent"
4799
48001043
480100:53:17,153 --> 00:53:18,613
4802with the public policy positions
4803
48041044
480500:53:18,696 --> 00:53:22,116
4806"the United States has taken
4807regarding human rights,"
4808
48091045
481000:53:22,199 --> 00:53:23,993
4811blah, blah, blah.
4812
48131046
481400:53:24,076 --> 00:53:26,078
4815"The program, as implemented,
4816
48171047
481800:53:26,162 --> 00:53:30,958
4819"diverges sharply from how the
4820CIA has described," blah, blah.
4821
48221048
482300:53:31,042 --> 00:53:33,878
4824"There is also little evidence
4825that the waterboard
4826
48271049
482800:53:33,961 --> 00:53:36,756
4829is effective
4830in gaining information."
4831
48321050
483300:53:36,839 --> 00:53:39,550
4834Look, guys, Director Tenet
4835wants to pause the program.
4836
48371051
483800:53:41,636 --> 00:53:44,013
4839You know, I retired
4840from the Air Force
4841
48421052
484300:53:44,096 --> 00:53:47,558
4844just a couple of months
4845before 9/11.
4846
48471053
484800:53:47,642 --> 00:53:49,310
484922 years.
4850
48511054
485200:53:50,895 --> 00:53:53,522
4853And then I wake up that morning,
4854
48551055
485600:53:53,606 --> 00:53:59,946
4857and I turn on the news and...
4858see what's happening.
4859
48601056
486100:54:01,572 --> 00:54:06,577
4862A lot of people just went back
4863to their coffee and cornflakes.
4864
48651057
486600:54:06,661 --> 00:54:10,831
4867But Jim wanted to do something
4868
48691058
487000:54:10,915 --> 00:54:13,501
4871to keep people safe.
4872
48731059
487400:54:13,584 --> 00:54:16,671
4875We are going right back to the
4876National Security Council today
4877
48781060
487900:54:16,754 --> 00:54:18,714
4880and asking to have
4881the program recertified,
4882
48831061
488400:54:18,798 --> 00:54:20,508
4885as many techniques as possible.
4886
48871062
488800:54:20,591 --> 00:54:22,885
4889We have a plan.
4890
48911063
489200:54:22,969 --> 00:54:24,971
4893Thank you. Thank you.
4894
48951064
489600:54:44,865 --> 00:54:46,158
4897Jones.
4898
48991065
490000:54:47,243 --> 00:54:48,411
4901Yes, Senator.
4902
49031066
490400:54:58,004 --> 00:54:59,398
4905On the Sunday talk shows,
4906
49071067
490800:54:59,422 --> 00:55:01,007
4909former Defense Secretary
4910Donald Rumsfeld
4911
49121068
491300:55:01,090 --> 00:55:03,134
4914and former Vice President
4915Dick Cheney
4916
49171069
491800:55:03,217 --> 00:55:06,804
4919argued enhanced interrogation
4920techniques played a major role
4921
49221070
492300:55:06,887 --> 00:55:09,265
4924in leading up to the raid
4925on bin Laden's compound.
4926
49271071
492800:55:09,348 --> 00:55:11,308
4929No, that's not right.
4930That's not what happened.
4931
49321072
493300:55:11,392 --> 00:55:13,286
4934- It was not torture.
4935- I'll look into it.
4936
49371073
493800:55:13,310 --> 00:55:15,563
4939And, uh, I would strongly
4940recommend that we continue it.
4941
49421074
494300:55:15,646 --> 00:55:17,366
4944At the heart of the controversy
4945
49461075
494700:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,859
4948is a process called
4949waterboarding.
4950
49511076
495200:55:21,944 --> 00:55:24,238
4953Okay, here's what
4954the CIA is claiming:
4955
49561077
495700:55:24,321 --> 00:55:28,576
4958They got bin Laden after using
4959EITs against detainees.
4960
49611078
496200:55:30,870 --> 00:55:36,208
4963They say it all started in 2002
4964with Abu Zubaydah
4965
49661079
496700:55:36,292 --> 00:55:39,587
4968and a detainee they called
4969"Riyadh the Facilitator,"
4970
49711080
497200:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,881
4973who tipped them off
4974to Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti,
4975
49761081
497700:55:41,964 --> 00:55:43,174
4978who had ties to bin Laden.
4979
49801082
498100:55:43,257 --> 00:55:44,884
4982That's not what happened?
4983
49841083
498500:55:44,967 --> 00:55:47,470
4986The truth is the CIA
4987was on al-Kuwaiti's phones,
4988
49891084
499000:55:47,553 --> 00:55:51,182
4991e-mails, identity, long before
4992they captured any detainees.
4993
49941085
499500:55:51,265 --> 00:55:56,103
4996Before they even had
4997an EIT program.
4998
49991086
500000:55:56,187 --> 00:55:58,647
5001Zubaydah told us al-Kuwaiti had
5002nothing to do with bin Laden.
5003
50041087
500500:55:58,731 --> 00:56:01,525
5006Same with KSM
5007and-and the others.
5008
50091088
501000:56:01,609 --> 00:56:04,612
5011But now we have former
5012CIA Director Michael Hayden
5013
50141089
501500:56:04,695 --> 00:56:07,239
5016on the radio saying
5017this all came from EITs.
5018
50191090
502000:56:07,323 --> 00:56:09,909
5021And former Attorney General
5022Mukasey is out there saying
5023
50241091
502500:56:09,992 --> 00:56:12,078
5026KSM broke like a dam
5027after waterboarding.
5028
50291092
503000:56:12,161 --> 00:56:13,621
5031Where is he saying that?
5032
50331093
503400:56:13,704 --> 00:56:16,123
5035Wall Street Journal.
5036I found a memo.
5037
50381094
503900:56:16,207 --> 00:56:17,833
5040It's from a few months back,
5041in March.
5042
50431095
504400:56:17,917 --> 00:56:19,335
5045It's called
5046"The Public Roll-out."
5047
50481096
504900:56:19,418 --> 00:56:22,713
5050The memo states the Agency
5051wanted their PR people
5052
50531097
505400:56:22,797 --> 00:56:26,801
5055to connect the bin Laden raid
5056to intel obtained via EITs
5057
50581098
505900:56:26,884 --> 00:56:28,177
5060before it even happened.
5061
50621099
506300:56:28,260 --> 00:56:32,306
5064So... if the CIA got bin Laden,
5065
50661100
506700:56:32,389 --> 00:56:35,226
5068then who cares what else it did?
5069
50701101
507100:56:35,309 --> 00:56:38,187
5072If it saved lives, there's
5073no need for accountability.
5074
50751102
507600:56:38,270 --> 00:56:40,481
5077Exactly. They lied to Bush
5078about the program.
5079
50801103
508100:56:40,564 --> 00:56:42,316
5082Now they're lying
5083to President Obama.
5084
50851104
508600:56:42,399 --> 00:56:46,112
5087This document about bin Laden
5088and, uh, the role of EITs,
5089
50901105
509100:56:46,195 --> 00:56:48,030
5092it just isn't true.
5093
50941106
509500:56:54,745 --> 00:56:57,540
5096You want me to get you
5097the White House?
5098
50991107
510000:56:59,375 --> 00:57:00,918
5101Let's do that.
5102
51031108
510400:57:03,504 --> 00:57:05,631
5105It's very clear to us
5106
51071109
510800:57:05,714 --> 00:57:09,635
5109the EITs did not lead
5110to bin Laden.
5111
51121110
511300:57:09,718 --> 00:57:12,346
5114The CIA is misrepresenting
5115the operation.
5116
51171111
511800:57:12,429 --> 00:57:14,306
5119I'm sure you see that,
5120don't you?
5121
51221112
512300:57:14,390 --> 00:57:16,725
5124I'm not
5125sure I understand, Senator.
5126
51271113
512800:57:16,809 --> 00:57:18,829
5129The mission was a success;
5130that's the headline here.
5131
51321114
513300:57:18,853 --> 00:57:22,231
5134This is a crucial moment
5135in our nation's history.
5136
51371115
513800:57:22,314 --> 00:57:26,819
5139I want to make certain that the
5140Agency isn't manipulating it
5141
51421116
514300:57:26,902 --> 00:57:30,197
5144to sanitize
5145their own past actions.
5146
51471117
514800:57:30,281 --> 00:57:32,116
5149I will let
5150the national security advisor
5151
51521118
515300:57:32,199 --> 00:57:34,285
5154know your concerns, Senator.
5155
51561119
515700:57:34,368 --> 00:57:36,704
5158- Thank you.
5159- Thank you, Senator Feinstein.
5160
51611120
516200:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,291
5163That's it?
5164
51651121
516600:57:40,374 --> 00:57:42,668
5167They don't care
5168the story is wrong?
5169
51701122
517100:57:44,295 --> 00:57:48,257
5172Well, I don't think we can look
5173to the White House for support.
5174
51751123
517600:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,976
5177What the hell just happened?
5178
51791124
518000:57:59,059 --> 00:58:02,354
5181The CIA just got
5182the president reelected.
5183
51841125
518500:58:02,438 --> 00:58:04,231
5186That's what happened.
5187
51881126
518900:58:07,651 --> 00:58:10,988
5190It was the
5191greatest manhunt of all time.
5192
51931127
519400:58:11,071 --> 00:58:13,616
5195You think you know the story,
5196
51971128
519800:58:13,699 --> 00:58:15,618
5199but hold on to your seats.
5200
52011129
520200:58:15,701 --> 00:58:18,787
5203Zero Dark Thirty,
5204the riveting new film,
5205
52061130
520700:58:18,871 --> 00:58:21,457
5208brings you the hunt
5209for Osama bin Laden
5210
52111131
521200:58:21,540 --> 00:58:24,168
5213as it has never been
5214seen before.
5215
52161132
521700:58:39,183 --> 00:58:41,268
5218This is it.
5219The last guy we have.
5220
52211133
522200:58:41,352 --> 00:58:47,524
5223Muhammad Rahim,
5224captured June 2007.
5225
52261134
522700:58:57,076 --> 00:58:58,744
5228We kept Rahim awake
5229
52301135
523100:58:58,827 --> 00:59:00,913
5232for 138 hours straight.
5233
52341136
523500:59:00,996 --> 00:59:03,999
5236Used the attention grasp,
5237
52381137
523900:59:04,083 --> 00:59:07,002
5240facial hold,
5241dietary manipulation.
5242
52431138
524400:59:07,086 --> 00:59:10,422
5245Abdominal slaps,
5246stress positions.
5247
52481139
524900:59:10,506 --> 00:59:13,550
5250We even offered him a towel
5251to wear if he cooperated.
5252
52531140
525400:59:13,634 --> 00:59:14,885
5255Gave us nothing.
5256
52571141
525800:59:14,969 --> 00:59:16,595
5259He said that, if we hurt him,
5260
52611142
526200:59:16,679 --> 00:59:19,932
5263he'd just make things up
5264to get us to stop.
5265
52661143
526700:59:20,015 --> 00:59:22,685
5268And then he said
5269he was at our mercy
5270
52711144
527200:59:22,768 --> 00:59:25,020
5273and we could kill him
5274if we wanted.
5275
52761145
527700:59:25,104 --> 00:59:26,831
5278What's the point
5279of moving forward
5280
52811146
528200:59:26,855 --> 00:59:28,607
5283without the waterboard?
5284
52851147
528600:59:28,691 --> 00:59:30,818
5287It's like trying to play
5288baseball without the bat.
5289
52901148
529100:59:30,901 --> 00:59:32,820
5292We've been going at him
5293for 60 days now,
5294
52951149
529600:59:32,903 --> 00:59:35,155
5297not getting anywhere.
5298
52991150
530000:59:35,239 --> 00:59:39,326
5301The problem is
5302that CTC hasn't given us
5303
53041151
530500:59:39,410 --> 00:59:41,287
5306any good intel
5307to question him about.
5308
53091152
531000:59:41,370 --> 00:59:43,038
5311We don't have any leverage.
5312
53131153
531400:59:43,122 --> 00:59:44,999
5315Hold on.
5316You're the psychologists.
5317
53181154
531900:59:45,082 --> 00:59:46,834
5320You told me you were
5321gonna get us intel.
5322
53231155
532400:59:46,917 --> 00:59:48,637
5325Now you're saying
5326we need to give it to you?
5327
53281156
532900:59:48,711 --> 00:59:54,049
5330I'm thinking we improve his
5331treatment for a week or two,
5332
53331157
533400:59:54,133 --> 00:59:58,137
5335give him some hope,
5336and then we go back at him hard
5337
53381158
533900:59:58,220 --> 01:00:00,556
5340and create
5341a sense of helplessness.
5342
53431159
534401:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,768
5345Or we could try recruiting him.
5346
53471160
534801:00:04,852 --> 01:00:08,522
5349Tell him he can be
5350a CIA agent if he talks.
5351
53521161
535301:00:08,605 --> 01:00:09,982
5354The FBI does that.
5355
53561162
535701:00:10,065 --> 01:00:11,984
5358We're not the FBI.
5359We don't do that.
5360
53611163
536201:00:12,067 --> 01:00:14,737
5363The way the science works is
5364
53651164
536601:00:14,820 --> 01:00:16,905
5367we only get the intel after...
5368
53691165
537001:00:16,989 --> 01:00:18,699
5371After what?
5372
53731166
537401:00:18,782 --> 01:00:21,118
5375Why are so many of these guys
5376still lying to us
5377
53781167
537901:00:21,201 --> 01:00:23,329
5380after you work on them?
5381
53821168
538301:00:25,581 --> 01:00:27,833
5384Where's the special sauce?
5385
53861169
538701:00:30,085 --> 01:00:34,006
5388You have to make this work.
5389It's only legal if it works.
5390
53911170
539201:00:34,089 --> 01:00:36,884
5393The CIA's questioning
5394of Muhammad Rahim
5395
53961171
539701:00:36,967 --> 01:00:39,094
5398resulted in
5399zero intelligence reports.
5400
54011172
540201:00:39,178 --> 01:00:42,431
5403On April 21, 2008,
5404the Agency convened
5405
54061173
540701:00:42,514 --> 01:00:44,266
5408an after-action review
5409of his interrogation.
5410
54111174
541201:00:44,350 --> 01:00:46,977
5413Senator, I just want to point
5414out that this is the first time
5415
54161175
541701:00:47,061 --> 01:00:48,645
5418the Agency stopped and evaluated
5419
54201176
542101:00:48,729 --> 01:00:50,230
5422the effectiveness
5423of the program.
5424
54251177
542601:00:51,398 --> 01:00:53,484
5427And they concluded that,
5428in the future,
5429
54301178
543101:00:53,567 --> 01:00:55,569
5432CIA interrogators should use
5433rapport building.
5434
54351179
543601:00:58,781 --> 01:01:01,116
5437They even suggested
5438asking other agencies,
5439
54401180
544101:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,410
5442law enforcement,
5443and even other countries
5444
54451181
544601:01:03,494 --> 01:01:05,245
5447about effective
5448interrogation methods.
5449
54501182
545101:01:07,539 --> 01:01:08,707
5452So...
5453
54541183
545501:01:11,460 --> 01:01:14,004
5456For the past six years,
5457there's been a steady stream
5458
54591184
546001:01:14,088 --> 01:01:19,676
5461of CIA personnel...
5462Directors, deputies, analysts...
5463
54641185
546501:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,553
5466Coming over here and telling me
5467
54681186
546901:01:21,637 --> 01:01:25,724
5470what an amazing success
5471EITs have been.
5472
54731187
547401:01:25,808 --> 01:01:29,603
5475Somehow not even one of them
5476managed to mention that part.
5477
54781188
547901:01:34,858 --> 01:01:40,531
5480How many detainees have been
5481through the program in total?
5482
54831189
548401:01:41,615 --> 01:01:43,450
5485At least 119.
5486
54871190
548801:01:45,911 --> 01:01:47,830
5489The Agency admits
5490a quarter of them
5491
54921191
549301:01:47,913 --> 01:01:49,957
5494should never have been detained.
5495
54961192
549701:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,878
5498The EIT program never worked,
5499not on anyone.
5500
55011193
550201:02:04,555 --> 01:02:07,850
5503Today, we are gathered
5504to approve
5505
55061194
550701:02:07,933 --> 01:02:09,435
5508the committee's study of
5509
55101195
551101:02:09,518 --> 01:02:14,565
5512the CIA Detention
5513and Interrogation Program.
5514
55151196
551601:02:14,648 --> 01:02:17,317
5517I would like to thank
5518Daniel Jones
5519
55201197
552101:02:17,401 --> 01:02:21,155
5522and his small staff
5523who prepared this study.
5524
55251198
552601:02:21,238 --> 01:02:23,699
5527Clerk, would you call the roll?
5528
55291199
553001:02:25,325 --> 01:02:28,078
5531- Mr. Udall?
5532- Yay.
5533
55341200
553501:02:28,162 --> 01:02:31,081
5536- Mr. Rubio?
5537- Nay.
5538
55391201
554001:02:31,165 --> 01:02:33,834
5541- Mr. Rockefeller?
5542- Yay.
5543
55441202
554501:02:33,917 --> 01:02:36,295
5546- Mr. Warner?
5547- Yay.
5548
55491203
555001:02:36,378 --> 01:02:38,297
5551- Mr. Blunt?
5552- Nay.
5553
55541204
555501:02:38,380 --> 01:02:41,216
5556- Mr. Conrad?
5557- Yay.
5558
55591205
556001:02:41,300 --> 01:02:43,510
5561- Mr. Coats?
5562- Nay.
5563
55641206
556501:02:43,594 --> 01:02:45,846
5566- Mr. Nelson?
5567- Yay.
5568
55691207
557001:02:45,929 --> 01:02:48,307
5571- Mr. Risch?
5572- Nay.
5573
55741208
557501:02:48,390 --> 01:02:50,893
5576- Ms. Mikulski?
5577- Yay.
5578
55791209
558001:02:50,976 --> 01:02:53,145
5581- Mr. Burr?
5582- Nay.
5583
55841210
558501:02:53,228 --> 01:02:55,606
5586- Mr. Wyden?
5587- Yay.
5588
55891211
559001:02:55,689 --> 01:02:58,066
5591- Ms. Snowe?
5592- Yay.
5593
55941212
559501:02:58,150 --> 01:03:02,070
5596- Mr. Chambliss?
5597- Nay.
5598
55991213
560001:03:02,154 --> 01:03:04,239
5601Ms. Feinstein?
5602
56031214
560401:03:04,323 --> 01:03:06,700
5605Yay.
5606
56071215
560801:03:09,077 --> 01:03:10,662
5609The motion passes.
5610
56111216
561201:03:10,746 --> 01:03:15,751
5613The report will now be sent
5614to the CIA for final comments.
5615
56161217
561701:03:19,546 --> 01:03:21,423
5618I, John Owen Brennan,
5619
56201218
562101:03:21,507 --> 01:03:23,634
5622do solemnly swear to tell
5623the truth, the full truth,
5624
56251219
562601:03:23,717 --> 01:03:26,094
5627and nothing but the truth,
5628so help me God.
5629
56301220
563101:03:26,178 --> 01:03:28,764
5632Thank you, Mr. Brennan.
5633
56341221
563501:03:28,847 --> 01:03:31,016
5636I look forward
5637to hearing your testimony.
5638
56391222
564001:03:34,436 --> 01:03:36,730
5641I am honored
5642to appear before you today
5643
56441223
564501:03:36,813 --> 01:03:40,734
5646as the president's nominee
5647for director of the CIA.
5648
56491224
565001:03:40,817 --> 01:03:44,530
5651I'd like to say from
5652the beginning that honesty...
5653
56541225
565501:03:44,613 --> 01:03:48,033
5656Truthfulness... was a value
5657inculcated in me
5658
56591226
566001:03:48,116 --> 01:03:51,078
5661growing up in New Jersey by
5662my parents, Owen and Dorothy.
5663
56641227
566501:03:51,161 --> 01:03:53,205
5666Now, none of us
5667are perfect beings.
5668
56691228
567001:03:53,288 --> 01:03:55,290
5671I am far from perfect.
5672
56731229
567401:03:55,374 --> 01:03:57,501
5675But I will be honest
5676with this committee
5677
56781230
567901:03:57,584 --> 01:03:59,127
5680and do everything possible
5681
56821231
568301:03:59,211 --> 01:04:02,464
5684to meet your legitimate needs
5685and requirements.
5686
56871232
568801:04:02,548 --> 01:04:04,007
5689Mr. Brennan,
5690
56911233
569201:04:04,091 --> 01:04:06,718
5693I've long believed that our
5694government has an obligation
5695
56961234
569701:04:06,802 --> 01:04:10,847
5698to the American people to face
5699its mistakes transparently,
5700
57011235
570201:04:10,931 --> 01:04:13,892
5703to help the public understand
5704the nature of those mistakes,
5705
57061236
570701:04:13,976 --> 01:04:16,270
5708and to correct them.
5709
57101237
571101:04:16,353 --> 01:04:20,274
5712The enhanced interrogation
5713techniques were brutal,
5714
57151238
571601:04:20,357 --> 01:04:23,026
5717and, perhaps most importantly,
5718they did not work.
5719
57201239
572101:04:23,110 --> 01:04:26,029
5722Now, the CIA has
5723a responsibility
5724
57251240
572601:04:26,113 --> 01:04:28,490
5727to correct any inaccurate
5728information it provided
5729
57301241
573101:04:28,574 --> 01:04:30,718
5732to the previous White House,
5733the Department of Justice,
5734
57351242
573601:04:30,742 --> 01:04:32,536
5737Congress and the public.
5738
57391243
574001:04:34,997 --> 01:04:38,208
5741Do you agree that the CIA
5742has this responsibility?
5743
57441244
574501:04:38,292 --> 01:04:40,794
5746And I'd appreciate
5747a yes or no answer.
5748
57491245
575001:04:42,504 --> 01:04:46,008
5751Yes, Senator.
5752
57531246
575401:04:46,091 --> 01:04:47,634
5755Absolutely.
5756
57571247
575801:04:49,344 --> 01:04:50,904
5759Office of the chief of staff.
5760
57611248
576201:04:50,929 --> 01:04:52,973
5763Mr. McDonough is
5764in a meeting right now.
5765
57661249
576701:04:53,056 --> 01:04:55,337
5768According to the latest NBC
5769News/Wall Street Journal poll,
5770
57711250
577201:04:55,392 --> 01:04:58,895
5773the president's
5774approval rating is at 44%.
5775
57761251
577701:04:58,979 --> 01:05:00,498
5778That's up three points since March...
5779
57801252
578101:05:00,522 --> 01:05:02,441
5782Excuse me. Mr. McDonough.
5783
57841253
578501:05:02,524 --> 01:05:04,985
5786- Director Brennan is here.
5787- Oh.
5788
57891254
579001:05:05,068 --> 01:05:06,320
5791There he is.
5792
57931255
579401:05:06,403 --> 01:05:08,488
5795- Congratulations, Mr. Director.
5796- Thank you.
5797
57981256
579901:05:08,572 --> 01:05:09,990
5800Welcome. Come on in. Thank you.
5801
58021257
580301:05:10,073 --> 01:05:12,200
5804Thank you
5805and thank President Obama.
5806
58071258
580801:05:12,284 --> 01:05:13,952
5809I'll let him know.
5810
58111259
581201:05:14,036 --> 01:05:16,121
5813Speaking of, uh,
5814
58151260
581601:05:16,204 --> 01:05:18,624
5817he wanted me to ask you
5818if there's any new information
5819
58201261
582101:05:18,707 --> 01:05:21,084
5822on the drone strikes
5823of April 29th?
5824
58251262
582601:05:21,168 --> 01:05:24,588
5827We can confirm
5828that the Al Qaeda planner
5829
58301263
583101:05:24,671 --> 01:05:27,633
5832Abu Sulayman al-Jazairi
5833has been killed.
5834
58351264
583601:05:27,716 --> 01:05:30,260
5837Unfortunately, we also believe
5838
58391265
584001:05:30,344 --> 01:05:34,348
5841that there were between five
5842and ten civilian casualties.
5843
58441266
584501:05:34,431 --> 01:05:35,849
5846Shit.
5847
58481267
584901:05:35,932 --> 01:05:38,143
5850Well, I'll let
5851the president know.
5852
58531268
585401:05:38,226 --> 01:05:40,228
5855What about the
5856Intelligence Committee report?
5857
58581269
585901:05:40,312 --> 01:05:41,772
5860We need to talk about that.
5861
58621270
586301:05:41,855 --> 01:05:44,691
5864John, w-we gave the CIA
5865until February
5866
58671271
586801:05:44,775 --> 01:05:47,152
5869to come up with its response;
5870it's now May.
5871
58721272
587301:05:47,235 --> 01:05:49,213
5874I've got Senator Feinstein
5875all over my phone sheet.
5876
58771273
587801:05:49,237 --> 01:05:51,531
5879I don't want to be the one
5880who has to push on this,
5881
58821274
588301:05:51,615 --> 01:05:54,284
5884but the president would really
5885like to get this behind us.
5886
58871275
588801:05:59,748 --> 01:06:01,541
5889And?
5890
58911276
589201:06:01,625 --> 01:06:03,960
5893We acknowledge that
5894
58951277
589601:06:04,044 --> 01:06:06,630
5897the Detention and Interrogation
5898Program had shortcomings
5899
59001278
590101:06:06,713 --> 01:06:08,965
5902and that the Agency
5903made mistakes.
5904
59051279
590601:06:09,049 --> 01:06:10,729
5907The most serious of those
5908occurred early on
5909
59101280
591101:06:10,801 --> 01:06:13,428
5912and stemmed from the fact
5913that we were unprepared.
5914
59151281
591601:06:15,055 --> 01:06:18,642
5917Now, as you know, we part ways
5918on some key points.
5919
59201282
592101:06:18,725 --> 01:06:22,062
5922According to our review,
5923indications are that
5924
59251283
592601:06:22,145 --> 01:06:24,314
5927interrogations of
5928detainees upon whom
5929
59301284
593101:06:24,398 --> 01:06:27,109
5932the enhanced interrogation
5933techniques were used
5934
59351285
593601:06:27,192 --> 01:06:30,529
5937did produce unique intelligence
5938
59391286
594001:06:30,612 --> 01:06:32,364
5941that helped thwart attack plans,
5942
59431287
594401:06:32,447 --> 01:06:34,408
5945capture terrorists,
5946and saved lives.
5947
59481288
594901:06:34,491 --> 01:06:36,010
5950Excuse me, intelligence
5951gathered from EITs...
5952
59531289
595401:06:36,034 --> 01:06:38,245
5955And that intelligence
5956continues to inform
5957
59581290
595901:06:38,328 --> 01:06:40,038
5960our counterterrorism efforts.
5961
59621291
596301:06:40,122 --> 01:06:41,623
5964It led us to bin Laden.
5965
59661292
596701:06:43,208 --> 01:06:45,585
5968Now, it's one thing
5969to disapprove of the program.
5970
59711293
597201:06:45,669 --> 01:06:47,295
5973I-I welcome that conversation,
5974
59751294
597601:06:47,379 --> 01:06:49,005
5977but it's something else
5978altogether
5979
59801295
598101:06:49,089 --> 01:06:50,692
5982to say that it was
5983mismanaged and ineffective.
5984
59851296
598601:06:50,716 --> 01:06:51,842
5987Excuse me, Director Brennan.
5988
59891297
599001:06:51,925 --> 01:06:54,553
5991The report is
5992based on CIA records.
5993
59941298
599501:06:54,636 --> 01:06:57,180
5996CIA officers themselves
5997called it ineffective.
5998
59991299
600001:06:57,264 --> 01:06:58,890
6001CIA officers?
6002
60031300
600401:06:58,974 --> 01:07:01,393
6005Well, you didn't speak to any
6006CIA officers in the program,
6007
60081301
600901:07:01,476 --> 01:07:02,644
6010did you, Dan?
6011
60121302
601301:07:02,728 --> 01:07:05,105
6014Your lawyers would not
6015make them available to us
6016
60171303
601801:07:05,188 --> 01:07:08,775
6019because of the Department
6020of Justice's criminal inquiry.
6021
60221304
602301:07:08,859 --> 01:07:11,862
6024We also disagree with
6025the study's characterization of
6026
60271305
602801:07:11,945 --> 01:07:16,283
6029how the CIA briefed Congress,
6030the White House and the press.
6031
60321306
603301:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,785
6034Now, we have documentation
6035that certainly proves that.
6036
60371307
603801:07:18,869 --> 01:07:20,287
6039Excuse me, sir, what documents?
6040
60411308
604201:07:20,370 --> 01:07:21,663
6043If the director is referencing
6044
60451309
604601:07:21,747 --> 01:07:23,540
6047cables or e-mails
6048we were never shown,
6049
60501310
605101:07:23,623 --> 01:07:25,223
6052then that's a violation
6053of our agreement.
6054
60551311
605601:07:25,250 --> 01:07:27,753
6057Everything was supposed
6058to have been provided to us.
6059
60601312
606101:07:27,836 --> 01:07:29,755
6062Do we just give
6063the committee access
6064
60651313
606601:07:29,838 --> 01:07:31,715
6067to the entire
6068CIA computer system?
6069
60701314
607101:07:31,798 --> 01:07:33,633
6072Is that where this goes?
6073
60741315
607501:07:33,717 --> 01:07:37,095
6076Dan gets to read every e-mail,
6077gets to see every document?
6078
60791316
608001:07:37,179 --> 01:07:40,265
6081Every relevant document
6082or e-mail, yes.
6083
60841317
608501:07:42,350 --> 01:07:45,228
6086I have always supported
6087the intelligence community.
6088
60891318
609001:07:45,312 --> 01:07:50,066
6091I broke with my own party
6092to support the drone program,
6093
60941319
609501:07:50,150 --> 01:07:52,986
6096but what this report
6097makes very clear
6098
60991320
610001:07:53,069 --> 01:07:56,656
6101is a real need for oversight
6102and accountability.
6103
61041321
610501:07:56,740 --> 01:07:59,618
6106You asked for our response,
6107and we gave it to you.
6108
61091322
611001:07:59,701 --> 01:08:02,078
6111We looked in the mirror.
6112
61131323
611401:08:02,162 --> 01:08:05,040
6115Now, uh, we made mistakes.
6116
61171324
611801:08:05,123 --> 01:08:08,502
6119There were abuses, and those
6120abuses have been addressed.
6121
61221325
612301:08:08,585 --> 01:08:11,963
6124But I-I vehemently disagree
6125with the narrative
6126
61271326
612801:08:12,047 --> 01:08:14,049
6129that you're trying
6130to string together here.
6131
61321327
613301:08:14,132 --> 01:08:15,759
6134It lacks context.
6135
61361328
613701:08:15,842 --> 01:08:17,719
6138It does not paint
6139an accurate picture
6140
61411329
614201:08:17,803 --> 01:08:19,888
6143of the work that was done.
6144
61451330
614601:08:19,971 --> 01:08:21,556
6147Let's go.
6148
61491331
615001:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,518
6151Senator, John Brennan's
6152name is in that report.
6153
61541332
615501:08:24,601 --> 01:08:26,269
6156He was Director Tenet's
6157chief of staff
6158
61591333
616001:08:26,353 --> 01:08:27,673
6161and then
6162deputy executive director
6163
61641334
616501:08:27,729 --> 01:08:29,272
6166when the program started.
6167
61681335
616901:08:29,356 --> 01:08:31,000
6170- He grew up at the Agency.
6171- He claims to have
6172
61731336
617401:08:31,024 --> 01:08:32,710
6175- spoken out against the EIT program...
6176- Where?
6177
61781337
617901:08:32,734 --> 01:08:34,736
6180I just spent five years
6181looking at their e-mails.
6182
61831338
618401:08:34,820 --> 01:08:36,620
6185I never found anything
6186to suggest that's true.
6187
61881339
618901:08:36,696 --> 01:08:38,949
6190Well, we knew
6191this wasn't going to be easy.
6192
61931340
619401:08:39,032 --> 01:08:42,035
6195They have their own narrative,
6196and they're gonna stick to it.
6197
61981341
619901:08:42,118 --> 01:08:43,958
6200Maybe we could come up
6201with some middle ground,
6202
62031342
620401:08:43,995 --> 01:08:46,122
6205- find some common language.
6206- I thought our job
6207
62081343
620901:08:46,206 --> 01:08:47,767
6210was to provide oversight
6211and accountability,
6212
62131344
621401:08:47,791 --> 01:08:49,626
6215not middle ground.
6216
62171345
621801:08:50,418 --> 01:08:52,504
6219I have a question for you.
6220
62211346
622201:08:52,587 --> 01:08:55,090
6223Do you work for me
6224or for the report?
6225
62261347
622701:08:56,591 --> 01:09:01,012
6228And I'd encourage you to think
6229about that before answering.
6230
62311348
623201:09:13,483 --> 01:09:15,569
6233Dan!
6234
62351349
623601:09:15,652 --> 01:09:17,696
6237Dan Jones.
6238
62391350
624001:09:17,779 --> 01:09:19,030
6241There he is.
6242
62431351
624401:09:19,114 --> 01:09:20,949
6245Look at you, chief investigator
6246
62471352
624801:09:21,032 --> 01:09:23,410
6249of the largest study
6250the Senate's ever conducted.
6251
62521353
625301:09:23,493 --> 01:09:25,036
6254My God. How you doing?
6255
62561354
625701:09:25,120 --> 01:09:26,955
6258It's good to see you
6259in the fresh air.
6260
62611355
626201:09:27,038 --> 01:09:28,432
6263- Yeah.
6264- It's so funny.
6265
62661356
626701:09:28,456 --> 01:09:29,958
6268I was just thinking
6269the other night,
6270
62711357
627201:09:30,041 --> 01:09:32,544
6273do you remember that time
6274you came and saw me,
6275
62761358
627701:09:32,627 --> 01:09:34,170
6278right after
6279you got out of school?
6280
62811359
628201:09:34,254 --> 01:09:36,214
6283You said go get
6284intel experience,
6285
62861360
628701:09:36,298 --> 01:09:37,883
6288wait till the Dems
6289got the Senate back.
6290
62911361
629201:09:39,301 --> 01:09:40,903
6293Working for the
6294Senate Intelligence Committee
6295
62961362
629701:09:40,927 --> 01:09:42,387
6298for Dianne Feinstein.
6299
63001363
630101:09:42,470 --> 01:09:44,156
6302You told me once you wanted
6303to make a difference.
6304
63051364
630601:09:44,180 --> 01:09:45,807
6307I hope you still
6308get that chance.
6309
63101365
631101:09:45,891 --> 01:09:47,767
6312- What does that mean?
6313- What does that mean?
6314
63151366
631601:09:47,851 --> 01:09:51,605
6317It means, Dan, get out of the
6318senator's head about the CIA.
6319
63201367
632101:09:51,688 --> 01:09:53,607
6322You're not doing yourself
6323any favors.
6324
63251368
632601:09:53,690 --> 01:09:55,150
6327Have you read the report?
6328
63291369
633001:09:55,233 --> 01:09:58,403
6331It's 7,000 pages, Dan.
6332
63331370
633401:09:58,486 --> 01:10:02,240
6335The Bible tells the history
6336of mankind in less than that.
6337
63381371
633901:10:02,324 --> 01:10:05,744
6340Look, buddy,
6341
63421372
634301:10:05,827 --> 01:10:07,555
6344we're gonna get the CIA
6345to sit down with you,
6346
63471373
634801:10:07,579 --> 01:10:09,956
6349tell you
6350their side of the story.
6351
63521374
635301:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,667
6354It would help
6355if you would listen.
6356
63571375
635801:10:14,294 --> 01:10:16,463
6359The study seems
6360to most seriously diverge
6361
63621376
636301:10:16,546 --> 01:10:19,507
6364from the facts by asking
6365the reader to believe
6366
63671377
636801:10:19,591 --> 01:10:21,801
6369the CIA withheld information
6370
63711378
637201:10:21,885 --> 01:10:23,845
6373from the executive branch
6374and Congress.
6375
63761379
637701:10:23,929 --> 01:10:27,057
6378We'd like to see that
6379removed from the report.
6380
63811380
638201:10:27,140 --> 01:10:29,201
6383After the photos of
6384Abu Ghraib came out in 2004,
6385
63861381
638701:10:29,225 --> 01:10:31,478
6388Deputy Director McLaughlin
6389appeared before Congress,
6390
63911382
639201:10:31,561 --> 01:10:34,439
6393in front of you, and said
6394the CIA is not authorized
6395
63961383
639701:10:34,522 --> 01:10:36,816
6398to do anything like what
6399you've seen in those photos.
6400
64011384
640201:10:36,900 --> 01:10:38,860
6403But what they were doing
6404was even worse.
6405
64061385
640701:10:38,944 --> 01:10:40,862
6408Then in 2005,
6409Senator Rockefeller
6410
64111386
641201:10:40,946 --> 01:10:42,656
6413called for a review
6414of the program,
6415
64161387
641701:10:42,739 --> 01:10:44,699
6418and the deputy chief
6419of Counterterrorism
6420
64211388
642201:10:44,783 --> 01:10:46,493
6423got nervous
6424where that might lead.
6425
64261389
642701:10:46,576 --> 01:10:48,787
6428So he sent a message
6429to senior leadership
6430
64311390
643201:10:48,870 --> 01:10:51,373
6433discussing the need
6434to manage the situation.
6435
64361391
643701:10:51,456 --> 01:10:55,293
6438He said, "We either get out
6439and sell, or we get hammered."
6440
64411392
644201:10:55,377 --> 01:10:58,338
6443Congress reads it,
6444cuts our authorities,
6445
64461393
644701:10:58,421 --> 01:10:59,798
6448messes up our budget.
6449
64501394
645101:10:59,881 --> 01:11:01,132
6452We need to make sure
6453
64541395
645501:11:01,216 --> 01:11:03,593
6456"the impression of
6457what we do is positive."
6458
64591396
646001:11:03,677 --> 01:11:06,262
6461This is the deputy chief
6462of Counterterrorism.
6463
64641397
646501:11:06,346 --> 01:11:08,848
6466That all stays in.
6467
64681398
646901:11:08,932 --> 01:11:11,059
6470We fundamentally disagree
6471with the assertion
6472
64731399
647401:11:11,142 --> 01:11:13,979
6475that the program was
6476poorly managed and executed
6477
64781400
647901:11:14,062 --> 01:11:17,565
6480and that unqualified officers
6481imposed brutal conditions,
6482
64831401
648401:11:17,649 --> 01:11:20,652
6485used unapproved techniques, and
6486were rarely held accountable.
6487
64881402
648901:11:20,735 --> 01:11:22,862
6490What about Mitchell and Jessen?
6491
64921403
649301:11:22,946 --> 01:11:26,658
6494Mitchell's PhD thesis
6495was on diet and exercise
6496
64971404
649801:11:26,741 --> 01:11:28,368
6499for controlling hypertension.
6500
65011405
650201:11:28,451 --> 01:11:30,412
6503Jessen's dissertation
6504was on family therapy,
6505
65061406
650701:11:30,495 --> 01:11:31,997
6508something called
6509family sculpting,
6510
65111407
651201:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,082
6513where you make clay figures
6514of your family members.
6515
65161408
651701:11:34,165 --> 01:11:35,851
6518- No. How much were they paid?
6519- They had no experience
6520
65211409
652201:11:35,875 --> 01:11:37,043
6523in real-world interrogations.
6524
65251410
652601:11:37,127 --> 01:11:38,586
6527No science
6528to back up their claims.
6529
65301411
653101:11:38,670 --> 01:11:39,963
6532They were allowed to assess
6533
65341412
653501:11:40,046 --> 01:11:41,840
6536the effectiveness
6537of their own program
6538
65391413
654001:11:41,923 --> 01:11:43,842
6541without providing
6542any scientific evidence.
6543
65441414
654501:11:43,925 --> 01:11:45,385
6546How much in total
6547
65481415
654901:11:45,468 --> 01:11:48,555
6550did the U.S. taxpayers
6551give them for their work?
6552
65531416
655401:11:48,638 --> 01:11:50,515
6555Over $80 million.
6556
65571417
655801:11:51,599 --> 01:11:54,394
6559The Agency also disagrees that
6560
65611418
656201:11:54,477 --> 01:11:57,605
6563the Detention and Interrogation
6564Program did not produce
6565
65661419
656701:11:57,689 --> 01:11:59,566
6568unique intelligence
6569that disrupted plots
6570
65711420
657201:11:59,649 --> 01:12:01,860
6573and saved lives.
6574
65751421
657601:12:01,943 --> 01:12:04,154
6577For instance,
6578the identity of José Padilla,
6579
65801422
658101:12:04,237 --> 01:12:06,031
6582the "dirty bomber."
6583
65841423
658501:12:06,114 --> 01:12:07,615
6586If we hadn't stopped Padilla,
6587
65881424
658901:12:07,699 --> 01:12:11,161
6590this entire area
6591would be radioactive today.
6592
65931425
659401:12:11,244 --> 01:12:12,871
6595José Padilla!
6596
65971426
659801:12:12,954 --> 01:12:15,790
6599Padilla found the instructions
6600for his dirty bomb online,
6601
66021427
660301:12:15,874 --> 01:12:19,252
6604in-in an article entitled
6605"Making and owning an H-bomb
6606
66071428
660801:12:19,335 --> 01:12:22,422
6609is the kind of challenge
6610real Americans seek."
6611
66121429
661301:12:22,505 --> 01:12:25,383
6614It says,
6615"Fill two buckets with uranium
6616
66171430
661801:12:25,467 --> 01:12:28,595
6619and swing them above your head
6620as fast as possible."
6621
66221431
662301:12:28,678 --> 01:12:30,055
6624It was a joke.
6625
66261432
662701:12:30,138 --> 01:12:31,639
6628As far as we can tell,
6629
66301433
663101:12:31,723 --> 01:12:34,059
6632everything they attribute
6633to EITs they already had,
6634
66351434
663601:12:34,142 --> 01:12:36,770
6637from other sources,
6638from foreign governments,
6639
66401435
664101:12:36,853 --> 01:12:38,313
6642from other methods.
6643
66441436
664501:12:38,396 --> 01:12:40,899
6646They claim they saved lives,
6647but what they really did
6648
66491437
665001:12:40,982 --> 01:12:42,692
6651was make it impossible
6652to prosecute
6653
66541438
665501:12:42,776 --> 01:12:45,945
6656a mass murderer like KSM,
6657because if what we did to him
6658
66591439
666001:12:46,029 --> 01:12:48,823
6661ever came out in a court
6662of law, the case is over.
6663
66641440
666501:12:48,907 --> 01:12:52,077
6666The guy planned 9/11,
6667and instead of going to jail
6668
66691441
667001:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,537
6671for the rest of his life,
6672the CIA turned him into
6673
66741442
667501:12:54,621 --> 01:12:57,791
6676a recruiting tool
6677for a war we're still fighting.
6678
66791443
668001:13:01,461 --> 01:13:03,671
6681Stop meeting with them.
6682
66831444
668401:13:10,095 --> 01:13:13,223
6685This is a remarkable document
6686you've created.
6687
66881445
668901:13:13,306 --> 01:13:15,058
6690Truly.
6691
66921446
669301:13:15,141 --> 01:13:18,645
6694It will provide
6695an enduring history,
6696
66971447
669801:13:18,728 --> 01:13:21,397
6699whether it comes out or not.
6700
67011448
670201:13:26,319 --> 01:13:28,780
6703What does that mean, "w-whether
6704it comes out or not"?
6705
67061449
670701:13:28,863 --> 01:13:31,116
6708What does she mean?
6709
67101450
671101:13:31,199 --> 01:13:32,742
6712What does that mean?
6713
67141451
671501:13:32,826 --> 01:13:34,428
6716We've been working on this
6717thing for nearly five years.
6718
67191452
672001:13:34,452 --> 01:13:37,956
6721Yes, and it is still
6722our word against theirs.
6723
67241453
672501:13:38,039 --> 01:13:39,624
6726She's gonna need more than that.
6727
67281454
672901:13:56,683 --> 01:13:57,851
6730This is Jones.
6731
67321455
673301:13:57,934 --> 01:13:59,602
6734Hey, Dan, this is Evan Tanner.
6735
67361456
673701:13:59,686 --> 01:14:03,231
6738Um, I hear rumors the report
6739might not be coming out now.
6740
67411457
674201:14:03,314 --> 01:14:05,024
6743A lot of pushback
6744from the Agency.
6745
67461458
674701:14:05,108 --> 01:14:07,944
6748- They're calling it "flawed."
6749- Who told you that?
6750
67511459
675201:14:08,027 --> 01:14:11,072
6753Dan, I'm the
6754national security reporter
6755
67561460
675701:14:11,156 --> 01:14:12,448
6758for The New York Times.
6759
67601461
676101:14:12,532 --> 01:14:14,492
6762Do you have any thoughts?
6763
67641462
676501:14:14,576 --> 01:14:17,829
6766It's not
6767my place to talk about rumors.
6768
67691463
677001:14:17,912 --> 01:14:19,414
6771No, I didn't think you would.
6772
67731464
677401:14:19,497 --> 01:14:21,499
6775I was wondering
6776if you might want to comment.
6777
67781465
677901:14:21,583 --> 01:14:25,128
6780Uh, it can be off the record.
6781
67821466
678301:14:25,211 --> 01:14:29,174
6784I just think we can
6785help each other here.
6786
67871467
678801:14:29,257 --> 01:14:31,843
6789You know I can't do that.
6790
67911468
679201:14:33,511 --> 01:14:36,681
6793And here's what we know
6794about Caroline Krass:
6795
67961469
679701:14:36,764 --> 01:14:38,266
679820 years
6799in the executive branch,
6800
68011470
680201:14:38,349 --> 01:14:39,809
6803including the
6804Office of Legal Counsel
6805
68061471
680701:14:39,893 --> 01:14:41,477
6808where she worked with John Yoo.
6809
68101472
681101:14:41,561 --> 01:14:44,189
6812Guys, this
6813confirmation's a done deal.
6814
68151473
681601:14:44,272 --> 01:14:46,065
6817We're not gonna stop it.
6818
68191474
682001:14:46,149 --> 01:14:49,986
6821But it is a public hearing,
6822and it just seems like
6823
68241475
682501:14:50,069 --> 01:14:52,030
6826there's an opportunity
6827to say something.
6828
68291476
683001:14:52,113 --> 01:14:54,782
6831Wh-What are you
6832looking for, Senator?
6833
68341477
683501:14:54,866 --> 01:14:57,368
6836I don't know, something
6837to move the study forward,
6838
68391478
684001:14:57,452 --> 01:15:00,371
6841to break us
6842out of this stalemate.
6843
68441479
684501:15:02,707 --> 01:15:03,958
6846Any ideas?
6847
68481480
684901:15:09,088 --> 01:15:10,715
6850Senator, there is a document.
6851
68521481
685301:15:50,296 --> 01:15:51,923
6854You ever sleep, bro?
6855
68561482
685701:15:52,006 --> 01:15:53,883
6858I used to.
6859
68601483
686101:15:53,967 --> 01:15:55,843
6862Got in the way of work.
6863
68641484
686501:15:55,927 --> 01:15:58,638
6866Anything in that bag contain
6867the real names of CIA officers,
6868
68691485
687001:15:58,721 --> 01:16:00,848
6871assets or partners,
6872or any information
6873
68741486
687501:16:00,932 --> 01:16:03,101
6876that would be in violation
6877of the agreement between
6878
68791487
688001:16:03,184 --> 01:16:05,895
6881the Central Intelligence Agency
6882and the United States Senate?
6883
68841488
688501:16:05,979 --> 01:16:08,690
6886- Have a good night, Jay.
6887- You, too, Dan.
6888
68891489
689001:17:01,326 --> 01:17:03,328
6891The committee
6892will come to order.
6893
68941490
689501:17:05,121 --> 01:17:07,707
6896Today, we are gathered
6897for the confirmation hearing
6898
68991491
690001:17:07,790 --> 01:17:12,378
6901of Caroline Krass to be
6902general counsel of the CIA.
6903
69041492
690501:17:12,462 --> 01:17:14,964
6906Welcome, Ms. Krass.
6907
69081493
690901:17:15,048 --> 01:17:17,216
6910I'm honored to be here
6911before the committee,
6912
69131494
691401:17:17,300 --> 01:17:20,178
6915and I'd like to take this
6916moment to acknowledge my family
6917
69181495
691901:17:20,261 --> 01:17:22,638
6920and thank them
6921for their support.
6922
69231496
692401:17:22,722 --> 01:17:24,140
6925Thank you.
6926
69271497
692801:17:24,223 --> 01:17:26,809
6929Uh, before we begin,
6930I would like to remind members
6931
69321498
693301:17:26,893 --> 01:17:29,395
6934not to discuss classified topics
6935
69361499
693701:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,483
6938or ask questions which require
6939a classified answer.
6940
69411500
694201:17:33,566 --> 01:17:36,444
6943With that said,
6944I turn to Senator Udall.
6945
69461501
694701:17:36,527 --> 01:17:38,446
6948Ms. Krass,
6949nice to see you again.
6950
69511502
695201:17:38,529 --> 01:17:40,239
6953We had a chance
6954to sit down last week
6955
69561503
695701:17:40,323 --> 01:17:41,616
6958and discuss the Senate's study
6959
69601504
696101:17:41,699 --> 01:17:43,993
6962on the Detention
6963and Interrogation Program.
6964
69651505
696601:17:44,077 --> 01:17:49,415
6967You told me you found the study
6968to be hard reading.
6969
69701506
697101:17:49,499 --> 01:17:51,459
6972Also, last week,
6973a number of articles appeared
6974
69751507
697601:17:51,542 --> 01:17:53,503
6977discussing
6978the one-year anniversary
6979
69801508
698101:17:53,586 --> 01:17:55,505
6982of the vote to approve
6983the committee's study.
6984
69851509
698601:17:55,588 --> 01:17:57,548
6987And in one of those articles,
6988
69891510
699001:17:57,632 --> 01:18:01,469
6991the CIA claimed to have found
6992significant errors.
6993
69941511
699501:18:01,552 --> 01:18:04,555
6996Now, I got to tell you, I don't
6997believe that is accurate.
6998
69991512
700001:18:04,639 --> 01:18:07,767
7001In fact,
7002I'm more confident than ever
7003
70041513
700501:18:07,850 --> 01:18:11,771
7006in the factual accuracy
7007of the committee's study.
7008
70091514
701001:18:11,854 --> 01:18:16,025
7011I'm more confident than ever.
7012
70131515
701401:18:17,276 --> 01:18:19,445
7015It appears that the CIA
7016performed their own study
7017
70181516
701901:18:19,529 --> 01:18:24,033
7020of the EIT program, initiated
7021by former Director Panetta.
7022
70231517
702401:18:24,117 --> 01:18:26,452
7025And the findings
7026
70271518
702801:18:26,536 --> 01:18:28,871
7029in that review
7030are entirely consistent
7031
70321519
703301:18:28,955 --> 01:18:33,167
7034with our committee's report,
7035but amazingly conflicts with
7036
70371520
703801:18:33,251 --> 01:18:35,336
7039the CIA's official response
7040to that report.
7041
70421521
704301:18:38,172 --> 01:18:41,634
7044So, why is a review
7045the CIA conducted internally,
7046
70471522
704801:18:41,717 --> 01:18:45,680
7049and never revealed to Congress,
7050so different from
7051
70521523
705301:18:45,763 --> 01:18:49,350
7054the CIA's formal response
7055to the committee's report?
7056
70571524
705801:18:49,434 --> 01:18:51,644
7059Do you have an answer for that?
7060
70611525
706201:18:52,395 --> 01:18:56,065
7063Um, not at this time.
7064
70651526
706601:19:01,446 --> 01:19:04,490
7067If I wanted the public to know
7068about the Panetta review,
7069
70701527
707101:19:04,574 --> 01:19:06,159
7072I would have told them myself.
7073
70741528
707501:19:06,242 --> 01:19:07,743
7076We hear that the Republicans
7077
70781529
707901:19:07,827 --> 01:19:09,304
7080are gonna censure Udall
7081for that performance.
7082
70831530
708401:19:09,328 --> 01:19:10,806
7085But the review proves our point.
7086
70871531
708801:19:10,830 --> 01:19:12,373
7089They found
7090the same things we did.
7091
70921532
709301:19:12,457 --> 01:19:14,500
7094The Agency didn't know
7095how or where to hold people,
7096
70971533
709801:19:14,584 --> 01:19:16,210
7099didn't know
7100how to interrogate people,
7101
71021534
710301:19:16,294 --> 01:19:18,588
7104and, more importantly,
7105the CIA did give it to us.
7106
71071535
710801:19:18,671 --> 01:19:21,007
7109I don't know
7110if it was an accident
7111
71121536
711301:19:21,090 --> 01:19:22,550
7114or it was a whistle-blower.
7115
71161537
711701:19:22,633 --> 01:19:24,093
7118Well, if it was
7119a whistle-blower,
7120
71211538
712201:19:24,177 --> 01:19:26,554
7123you may have just exposed them.
7124
71251539
712601:19:26,637 --> 01:19:28,848
7127Not to mention yourself.
7128
71291540
713001:20:25,863 --> 01:20:27,949
7131We got something here.
7132
71331541
713401:20:28,032 --> 01:20:29,951
7135The director
7136has asked me here today
7137
71381542
713901:20:30,034 --> 01:20:32,411
7140in my capacity
7141as Agency legal counsel.
7142
71431543
714401:20:32,495 --> 01:20:36,999
7145What we have to discuss
7146has serious implications.
7147
71481544
714901:20:37,083 --> 01:20:38,209
7150All right.
7151
71521545
715301:20:38,292 --> 01:20:39,728
7154We have proof that the staff
7155
71561546
715701:20:39,752 --> 01:20:41,420
7158of the Senate
7159Intelligence Committee
7160
71611547
716201:20:41,504 --> 01:20:44,006
7163illegally gained access
7164to the CIA's computer network
7165
71661548
716701:20:44,090 --> 01:20:46,008
7168and obtained
7169classified documents.
7170
71711549
717201:20:47,093 --> 01:20:48,261
7173What kind of proof?
7174
71751550
717601:20:48,344 --> 01:20:50,012
7177We found the document
7178in question
7179
71801551
718101:20:50,096 --> 01:20:52,014
7182on Daniel Jones's computer.
7183
71841552
718501:20:52,098 --> 01:20:55,226
7186We did not provide it to him
7187or to the committee.
7188
71891553
719001:20:55,309 --> 01:20:59,188
7191If he didn't hack us,
7192how did it get there?
7193
71941554
719501:20:59,272 --> 01:21:02,817
7196We feel that Jones and his team
7197need to be disciplined.
7198
71991555
720001:21:04,527 --> 01:21:06,571
7201Immediate dismissal is in order,
7202
72031556
720401:21:06,654 --> 01:21:09,115
7205at a minimum, I would think.
7206
72071557
720801:21:10,700 --> 01:21:14,662
7209John, are you saying that you
7210broke into the computer system
7211
72121558
721301:21:14,745 --> 01:21:16,414
7214of the United States Senate?
7215
72161559
721701:21:16,497 --> 01:21:18,257
7218We never gave you clearance
7219on that document.
7220
72211560
722201:21:18,291 --> 01:21:22,044
7223It was classified, yet
7224you chose to make it public.
7225
72261561
722701:21:22,128 --> 01:21:23,730
7228We've made our investigation
7229and our findings
7230
72311562
723201:21:23,754 --> 01:21:24,839
7233known to the White House.
7234
72351563
723601:21:24,922 --> 01:21:27,675
7237You're fucking kidding me.
7238
72391564
724001:21:29,093 --> 01:21:30,928
7241They're saying I broke into
7242
72431565
724401:21:31,012 --> 01:21:34,015
7245the most top secret
7246computer system in the world?
7247
72481566
724901:21:34,098 --> 01:21:36,183
7250- Brennan and Eastman came over...
7251- Eastman?
7252
72531567
725401:21:36,267 --> 01:21:38,161
7255Eastman's name is in the report
7256over a thousand times.
7257
72581568
725901:21:38,185 --> 01:21:40,605
7260- That's not a conflict?
7261- Dan.
7262
72631569
726401:21:40,688 --> 01:21:43,441
7265They filed a criminal referral
7266against you.
7267
72681570
726901:21:43,524 --> 01:21:45,901
7270They want you gone.
7271
72721571
727301:21:48,904 --> 01:21:51,574
7274H-How did the Agency
7275come to the conclusion
7276
72771572
727801:21:51,657 --> 01:21:52,825
7279that I'm a hacker?
7280
72811573
728201:21:52,908 --> 01:21:54,708
7283H-How do they even know
7284what's on my computer?
7285
72861574
728701:21:54,744 --> 01:21:56,495
7288They say
7289they conducted a search.
7290
72911575
729201:21:56,579 --> 01:21:58,039
7293Of the United States Senate?
7294
72951576
729601:21:58,122 --> 01:21:59,933
7297The whole reason
7298this committee was established
7299
73001577
730101:21:59,957 --> 01:22:01,876
7302in the first place
7303was to stop the CIA
7304
73051578
730601:22:01,959 --> 01:22:03,252
7307from spying on U.S. citizens.
7308
73091579
731001:22:03,336 --> 01:22:04,938
7311The senator is talking
7312to Harry Reid about
7313
73141580
731501:22:04,962 --> 01:22:06,690
7316- that very thing...
7317- Did they go into that room?
7318
73191581
732001:22:06,714 --> 01:22:08,609
7321That room is off-limits. Did
7322they go into that fucking room?
7323
73241582
732501:22:08,633 --> 01:22:10,301
7326I don't know.
7327
73281583
732901:22:11,636 --> 01:22:13,262
7330I don't know.
7331
73321584
733301:22:14,889 --> 01:22:17,433
7334I do know that the Republicans
7335are gonna run with this.
7336
73371585
733801:22:17,516 --> 01:22:19,477
7339They're gonna use it
7340to discredit the report.
7341
73421586
734301:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,937
7344They're gonna
7345use it to discredit you.
7346
73471587
734801:22:23,606 --> 01:22:26,067
7349Dan, they're accusing you
7350of breaking the law.
7351
73521588
735301:22:26,150 --> 01:22:27,735
7354You're gonna need a lawyer.
7355
73561589
735701:22:32,782 --> 01:22:34,992
7358There's a saying at the Agency:
7359
73601590
736101:22:35,076 --> 01:22:36,369
7362"Admit nothing,
7363
73641591
736501:22:36,452 --> 01:22:38,537
7366deny everything,
7367make counteraccusations."
7368
73691592
737001:22:38,621 --> 01:22:40,748
7371That's what they're doing.
7372
73731593
737401:22:40,831 --> 01:22:42,708
7375The CIA is
7376investigating you for...
7377
73781594
737901:22:42,792 --> 01:22:44,936
7380They're the ones who
7381should be investigated, not me.
7382
73831595
738401:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,546
7385Mr. Jones?
7386Mr. Clifford will see you now.
7387
73881596
738901:22:47,630 --> 01:22:49,173
7390Our computer system
7391
73921597
739301:22:49,256 --> 01:22:52,051
7394isn't even connected
7395to the CIA mainframe.
7396
73971598
739801:22:52,134 --> 01:22:53,844
7399So did I just go over to Langley
7400
74011599
740201:22:53,928 --> 01:22:55,096
7403and break in on a weekend?
7404
74051600
740601:22:55,179 --> 01:22:56,972
7407Seems unlikely.
7408
74091601
741001:22:57,056 --> 01:22:58,974
7411So what evidence do they have?
7412
74131602
741401:22:59,058 --> 01:23:01,060
7415A document.
7416
74171603
741801:23:02,144 --> 01:23:04,480
7419A document?
7420What kind of a document?
7421
74221604
742301:23:07,274 --> 01:23:08,984
7424I can't tell you that.
7425
74261605
742701:23:09,068 --> 01:23:12,029
7428Because, what, it's classified?
7429
74301606
743101:23:12,113 --> 01:23:14,198
7432I was tasked
7433to lead an investigation
7434
74351607
743601:23:14,281 --> 01:23:16,701
7437into a CIA program
7438they started after 9/11,
7439
74401608
744101:23:16,784 --> 01:23:19,036
7442what they called
7443enhanced interrogation.
7444
74451609
744601:23:19,120 --> 01:23:23,124
7447And I assume your work
7448is critical of the Agency?
7449
74501610
745101:23:25,501 --> 01:23:27,795
7452You know, Dan, a lot of people
7453in this country
7454
74551611
745601:23:27,878 --> 01:23:29,505
7457felt the CIA was
7458justified in doing
7459
74601612
746101:23:29,588 --> 01:23:31,465
7462whatever they had to do
7463to keep us safe.
7464
74651613
746601:23:31,549 --> 01:23:33,801
7467I have friends
7468who lost people that day.
7469
74701614
747101:23:33,884 --> 01:23:36,470
7472And a lot of people watch 24
7473on Thursday nights
7474
74751615
747601:23:36,554 --> 01:23:38,139
7477and hear Jack Bauer say,
7478
74791616
748001:23:38,222 --> 01:23:39,822
7481"I don't want to bypass
7482the Constitution,
7483
74841617
748501:23:39,849 --> 01:23:41,559
7486but these are
7487extraordinary circumstances,"
7488
74891618
749001:23:41,642 --> 01:23:43,978
7491just before, you know,
7492he s-sticks a knife in them
7493
74941619
749501:23:44,061 --> 01:23:45,604
7496and makes them give up a plot.
7497
74981620
749901:23:45,688 --> 01:23:47,606
7500It-it doesn't work that way.
7501
75021621
750301:23:48,691 --> 01:23:52,027
7504Well, as Winston Churchill said,
7505
75061622
750701:23:52,111 --> 01:23:55,030
7508"History is written
7509by the victors."
7510
75111623
751201:23:57,116 --> 01:23:59,452
7513Churchill didn't really
7514say that; Hermann Goring did.
7515
75161624
751701:23:59,535 --> 01:24:01,829
7518And what he said was,
7519"We will go down in history"
7520
75211625
752201:24:01,912 --> 01:24:03,706
7523either as the world's
7524greatest statesmen
7525
75261626
752701:24:03,789 --> 01:24:05,374
7528"or its worst villains."
7529
75301627
753101:24:05,458 --> 01:24:08,753
7532So your report is
7533gonna determine that:
7534
75351628
753601:24:08,836 --> 01:24:10,504
7537statesmen or villains?
7538
75391629
754001:24:14,049 --> 01:24:17,595
7541How long have you been
7542working on this project, Dan?
7543
75441630
754501:24:17,678 --> 01:24:19,805
7546Five years.
7547
75481631
754901:24:19,889 --> 01:24:22,683
7550Five years,
7551and it could all go away,
7552
75531632
755401:24:22,767 --> 01:24:26,395
7555just vanish in the face
7556of these allegations.
7557
75581633
755901:24:26,479 --> 01:24:27,897
7560I can certainly imagine
7561
75621634
756301:24:27,980 --> 01:24:30,608
7564an ambitious young man
7565like yourself spends years
7566
75671635
756801:24:30,691 --> 01:24:33,861
7569with his head buried
7570in some terrible spectacle,
7571
75721636
757301:24:33,944 --> 01:24:36,071
7574gets frustrated
7575with the process,
7576
75771637
757801:24:36,155 --> 01:24:38,908
7579sees an opportunity
7580to get the truth out faster,
7581
75821638
758301:24:38,991 --> 01:24:40,242
7584maybe crosses a line.
7585
75861639
758701:24:40,326 --> 01:24:41,970
7588I'm assuming this is
7589the most important thing
7590
75911640
759201:24:41,994 --> 01:24:43,805
7593- you've ever been a part of.
7594- I didn't do it.
7595
75961641
759701:24:43,829 --> 01:24:45,456
7598Or I can see
7599an equally ambitious senator
7600
76011642
760201:24:45,539 --> 01:24:46,808
7603encouraging you to do something.
7604
76051643
760601:24:46,832 --> 01:24:48,501
7607Now would be
7608a good time to tell me.
7609
76101644
761101:24:48,584 --> 01:24:49,919
7612That did not happen.
7613
76141645
761501:24:50,002 --> 01:24:51,796
7616What I did, I did on my own.
7617I acted alone.
7618
76191646
762001:24:51,879 --> 01:24:53,690
7621- So you did steal the document?
7622- I did not steal it.
7623
76241647
762501:24:53,714 --> 01:24:55,066
7626- You needed it to...
7627- I relocated it.
7628
76291648
763001:24:55,090 --> 01:24:56,175
7631I put it in a safe.
7632
76331649
763401:24:56,258 --> 01:24:58,302
7635If they had a way
7636of destroying tapes,
7637
76381650
763901:24:58,385 --> 01:24:59,905
7640- then surely they could get...
7641- Everyone has their own words.
7642
76431651
764401:24:59,929 --> 01:25:01,597
7645The language is built
7646to choose sides.
7647
76481652
764901:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,974
7650Now, why did you relocate it?
7651
76521653
765301:25:08,270 --> 01:25:10,856
7654Documents had a way of
7655disappearing off the server.
7656
76571654
765801:25:10,940 --> 01:25:14,443
7659For instance, in 2010,
7660over 800 documents
7661
76621655
766301:25:14,527 --> 01:25:17,488
7664just vanished
7665without any explanation.
7666
76671656
766801:25:17,571 --> 01:25:20,199
7669So you had computer issues
7670all along.
7671
76721657
767301:25:21,367 --> 01:25:23,160
7674Who else knew
7675what was on the computers?
7676
76771658
767801:25:23,244 --> 01:25:25,996
7679Well, the CIA hired an outside
7680firm to vet the documents:
7681
76821659
768301:25:27,414 --> 01:25:29,333
7684And CACI was also involved.
7685
76861660
768701:25:29,416 --> 01:25:31,210
7688- Who are they?
7689- Contractors.
7690
76911661
769201:25:31,293 --> 01:25:33,087
7693But Jim Pavitt
7694is on their board.
7695
76961662
769701:25:34,630 --> 01:25:37,007
7698Former deputy director
7699of operations for the CIA,
7700
77011663
770201:25:37,091 --> 01:25:40,261
7703Jim Pavitt, during the program,
7704Jim Pavitt.
7705
77061664
770701:25:40,344 --> 01:25:42,179
7708And is he named in the report?
7709
77101665
771101:25:43,472 --> 01:25:44,765
7712Can't tell me.
7713
77141666
771501:25:46,016 --> 01:25:48,727
7716So they can't destroy
7717the document.
7718
77191667
772001:25:48,811 --> 01:25:51,897
7721Then they can go after
7722THE NEXT BEST THING: you.
7723
77241668
772501:25:51,981 --> 01:25:54,108
7726Make you a zealot.
7727
77281669
772901:25:54,191 --> 01:25:57,278
7730Anything you touch is tainted.
7731
77321670
773301:25:57,361 --> 01:25:59,780
7734I could see the Agency saying
7735that this is a violation
7736
77371671
773801:25:59,864 --> 01:26:04,577
7739of the Espionage Act, the...
7740Computer Fraud and Abuse Act,
7741
77421672
774301:26:04,660 --> 01:26:06,871
7744uh, who knows what else.
7745
77461673
774701:26:06,954 --> 01:26:08,873
7748And if they file
7749a charge against me,
7750
77511674
775201:26:08,956 --> 01:26:10,749
7753how long could I go away for?
7754
77551675
775601:26:10,833 --> 01:26:13,836
7757I don't know.
775820 years, maybe more.
7759
77601676
776101:26:23,929 --> 01:26:27,474
7762I did not hack into
7763the CIA computer system.
7764
77651677
776601:26:29,476 --> 01:26:33,480
7767I mean, my com... my computer
7768skills stop at Microsoft Word.
7769
77701678
777101:26:33,564 --> 01:26:35,274
7772They probably know that.
7773
77741679
777501:26:36,942 --> 01:26:39,194
7776How much does
7777a Senate staffer make?
7778
77791680
778001:26:39,278 --> 01:26:41,030
7781At my level?
7782About-about a hundred grand.
7783
77841681
778501:26:41,113 --> 01:26:43,657
7786Any retirement, savings,
7787family money?
7788
77891682
779001:26:43,741 --> 01:26:45,951
7791No.
7792
77931683
779401:26:46,035 --> 01:26:48,454
7795So, we should discuss
7796my retainer.
7797
77981684
779901:26:48,537 --> 01:26:50,915
7800- How much is that?
7801- $30,000 to start.
7802
78031685
780401:26:50,998 --> 01:26:53,584
7805And if it goes to trial,
7806add a zero.
7807
78081686
780901:26:55,336 --> 01:26:56,795
7810Nothing could make them happier
7811
78121687
781301:26:56,879 --> 01:26:59,298
7814than knowing you're
7815sitting here talking to me.
7816
78171688
781801:26:59,381 --> 01:27:00,925
7819That's what they want, Dan.
7820
78211689
782201:27:01,008 --> 01:27:05,179
7823Make you bleed money
7824all over my floor.
7825
78261690
782701:27:05,262 --> 01:27:08,265
7828Do you want my expert opinion,
7829for free?
7830
78311691
783201:27:08,349 --> 01:27:11,769
7833You don't really have
7834a legal problem.
7835
78361692
783701:27:11,852 --> 01:27:14,063
7838You have a sunlight problem.
7839
78401693
784101:27:14,146 --> 01:27:17,775
7842I'm sure you know people
7843who can help you solve it.
7844
78451694
784601:27:31,705 --> 01:27:33,248
7847Daniel Jones.
7848
78491695
785001:27:33,332 --> 01:27:34,768
7851I didn't think
7852you'd ever return my calls.
7853
78541696
785501:27:34,792 --> 01:27:36,232
7856Does your boss know
7857you're talking to
7858
78591697
786001:27:36,293 --> 01:27:38,003
7861a guy with a byline
7862and a tape recorder?
7863
78641698
786501:27:38,087 --> 01:27:39,397
7866There's something going on
7867I think you should look into.
7868
78691699
787001:27:39,421 --> 01:27:41,715
7871It involves the Agency.
7872
78731700
787401:27:43,384 --> 01:27:45,928
7875Okay. Is it that report
7876you've been working on,
7877
78781701
787901:27:46,011 --> 01:27:47,596
7880the one that
7881never quite comes out?
7882
78831702
788401:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,557
7885Computers. It has to do with
7886the hacking of computers.
7887
78881703
788901:27:50,641 --> 01:27:52,977
7890All right, whose?
7891
78921704
789301:27:54,687 --> 01:27:56,939
7894The United States Senate.
7895
78961705
789701:27:57,022 --> 01:27:59,358
7898Someone hacked into the Senate?
7899
79001706
790101:28:01,443 --> 01:28:03,153
7902No shit? Okay.
7903
79041707
790501:28:03,237 --> 01:28:06,240
7906You have any idea if it was
7907foreign or domestic?
7908
79091708
791001:28:06,323 --> 01:28:08,033
7911Uh, all right, yes, you...
7912
79131709
791401:28:08,117 --> 01:28:09,702
7915Sorry, you said
7916it was the Agency.
7917
79181710
791901:28:09,785 --> 01:28:11,787
7920So what-what does the CIA
7921
79221711
792301:28:11,870 --> 01:28:13,306
7924have to do with
7925U.S. Senate computers?
7926
79271712
792801:28:13,330 --> 01:28:14,683
7929Evan, you're the
7930national security reporter
7931
79321713
793301:28:14,707 --> 01:28:15,707
7934for The New York Times.
7935
79361714
793701:28:15,749 --> 01:28:18,460
7938You can figure it out.
7939All right?
7940
79411715
794201:28:21,130 --> 01:28:22,881
7943Hmm.
7944
79451716
794601:28:23,841 --> 01:28:25,050
7947Morning, Senator.
7948
79491717
795001:28:25,134 --> 01:28:26,593
7951You wanted to see me?
7952
79531718
795401:28:26,677 --> 01:28:28,595
7955You know anything about this?
7956
79571719
795801:28:28,679 --> 01:28:33,017
7959"Computer Searches at Center
7960of Dispute on CIA Detentions."
7961
79621720
796301:28:33,100 --> 01:28:34,977
7964You have any idea
7965how that ended up
7966
79671721
796801:28:35,060 --> 01:28:36,895
7969- in The New York Times?
7970- Yeah, I saw that.
7971
79721722
797301:28:36,979 --> 01:28:38,522
7974It looks accurate.
7975
79761723
797701:28:38,605 --> 01:28:41,400
7978Senator McCain is already
7979calling the CIA a rogue agency.
7980
79811724
798201:28:41,483 --> 01:28:42,776
7983What are your thoughts on
7984
79851725
798601:28:42,860 --> 01:28:45,446
7987someone like
7988Edward Snowden, Dan?
7989
79901726
799101:28:45,529 --> 01:28:48,323
7992W-Well, Senator, I know
7993how you feel about leaks.
7994
79951727
799601:28:48,407 --> 01:28:50,993
7997I think he's a traitor,
7998plain and simple.
7999
80001728
800101:28:51,076 --> 01:28:52,828
8002It's my job to provide oversight
8003
80041729
800501:28:52,911 --> 01:28:54,455
8006with the tools of governance,
8007
80081730
800901:28:54,538 --> 01:28:57,416
8010not lights and cameras
8011and headlines.
8012
80131731
801401:29:01,837 --> 01:29:03,714
8015Do you want me to resign?
8016
80171732
801801:29:07,426 --> 01:29:09,261
8019No.
8020
80211733
802201:29:09,344 --> 01:29:12,222
8023But I think I might need you
8024to write me a speech.
8025
80261734
802701:29:16,310 --> 01:29:18,353
8028Senator Feinstein claimed today
8029
80301735
803101:29:18,437 --> 01:29:21,732
8032on the Senate floor
8033that the CIA hacked
8034
80351736
803601:29:21,815 --> 01:29:23,609
8037the Senate Intelligence
8038Committee's computers
8039
80401737
804101:29:23,692 --> 01:29:26,153
8042to thwart an investigation
8043into past practices.
8044
80451738
804601:29:26,236 --> 01:29:27,654
8047Can you respond to that?
8048
80491739
805001:29:27,738 --> 01:29:31,116
8051Well, first,
8052we in no way, shape or form
8053
80541740
805501:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,161
8056tried to thwart
8057the release of the report.
8058
80591741
806001:29:34,244 --> 01:29:36,830
8061Uh, we want that behind us.
8062
80631742
806401:29:36,914 --> 01:29:39,666
8065As far as this allegation
8066that the CIA
8067
80681743
806901:29:39,750 --> 01:29:42,503
8070somehow hacked into
8071the Senate computer system,
8072
80731744
807401:29:42,586 --> 01:29:46,548
8075nothing could be
8076further from the truth.
8077
80781745
807901:29:46,632 --> 01:29:49,009
8080We just wouldn't do that.
8081
80821746
808301:29:49,093 --> 01:29:51,095
8084It's beyond the scope of reason.
8085
80861747
808701:30:01,647 --> 01:30:03,398
8088Thank you.
8089
80901748
809101:30:03,482 --> 01:30:05,192
8092I understand
8093your position, Senator,
8094
80951749
809601:30:05,275 --> 01:30:07,736
8097and I am aware of
8098Director Brennan's comments.
8099
81001750
810101:30:07,820 --> 01:30:09,820
8102Did you hear what Lindsey
8103Graham said this morning,
8104
81051751
810601:30:09,863 --> 01:30:12,741
8107about the Agency
8108breaking into our computers?
8109
81101752
811101:30:12,825 --> 01:30:15,994
8112"The legislative branch
8113should declare war on the CIA.
8114
81151753
811601:30:16,078 --> 01:30:19,665
8117Heads should roll,
8118people should go to jail."
8119
81201754
812101:30:19,748 --> 01:30:23,085
8122Is that what you want?
8123Send people to jail?
8124
81251755
812601:30:23,168 --> 01:30:25,796
8127We do have jails for a reason.
8128
81291756
813001:30:25,879 --> 01:30:28,048
8131The Justice Department
8132investigated the CIA,
8133
81341757
813501:30:28,132 --> 01:30:29,883
8136and they decided
8137not to prosecute.
8138
81391758
814001:30:29,967 --> 01:30:32,177
8141It's their call, not ours.
8142
81431759
814401:30:32,261 --> 01:30:34,638
8145Now, when this administration
8146took office,
8147
81481760
814901:30:34,721 --> 01:30:36,265
8150we faced
8151the very real possibility
8152
81531761
815401:30:36,348 --> 01:30:38,767
8155of economic collapse.
8156
81571762
815801:30:40,394 --> 01:30:42,604
8159Do we spend our political
8160capital on going around
8161
81621763
816301:30:42,688 --> 01:30:45,440
8164trying to find people to blame,
8165or do we solve the problem?
8166
81671764
816801:30:45,524 --> 01:30:47,359
8169Maybe the way
8170to solve the problem
8171
81721765
817301:30:47,442 --> 01:30:49,778
8174is to hold people accountable.
8175
81761766
817701:30:49,862 --> 01:30:52,489
8178Do you ever wonder
8179why history repeats itself?
8180
81811767
818201:30:52,573 --> 01:30:54,116
8183Well, I think maybe it's because
8184
81851768
818601:30:54,199 --> 01:30:55,742
8187we don't always listen
8188the first time.
8189
81901769
819101:30:55,826 --> 01:30:59,204
8192Senator, the people at the
8193Agency... they have families.
8194
81951770
819601:30:59,288 --> 01:31:02,166
8197There are children
8198who might lose a parent.
8199
82001771
820101:31:04,668 --> 01:31:09,173
8202Years ago, some radical group
8203put a bomb in the flower box
8204
82051772
820601:31:09,256 --> 01:31:12,551
8207outside of my daughter's
8208bedroom window, right out here.
8209
82101773
821101:31:12,634 --> 01:31:15,429
8212Had it been any warmer out,
8213it would have exploded.
8214
82151774
821601:31:15,512 --> 01:31:16,889
8217And then there was the time
8218
82191775
822001:31:16,972 --> 01:31:21,018
8221that I found Harvey Milk
8222shot to death in his office.
8223
82241776
822501:31:21,101 --> 01:31:24,062
8226I-I think I'm aware of
8227the risks of public service.
8228
82291777
823001:31:24,146 --> 01:31:27,274
8231President Obama
8232ended the torture program
8233
82341778
823501:31:27,357 --> 01:31:29,735
8236three days after taking office.
8237
82381779
823901:31:29,818 --> 01:31:34,406
8240The EITs, what the CIA did...
8241That is not our mess.
8242
82431780
824401:31:34,489 --> 01:31:35,991
8245No, it's not,
8246
82471781
824801:31:36,074 --> 01:31:39,578
8249but that's not the question
8250we're asking, is it?
8251
82521782
825301:31:39,661 --> 01:31:43,957
8254Who is going to clean it up?
8255
82561783
825701:31:44,041 --> 01:31:45,626
8258So let's do that.
8259
82601784
826101:31:45,709 --> 01:31:50,505
8262Right after Director Brennan
8263apologizes to me and my staff.
8264
82651785
826601:31:52,174 --> 01:31:53,842
8267The inspector general is here.
8268
82691786
827001:31:53,926 --> 01:31:55,636
8271Go ahead in.
8272
82731787
827401:31:55,719 --> 01:31:59,681
8275In regards to the CIA
8276search of Senate computers,
8277
82781788
827901:31:59,765 --> 01:32:01,642
8280we've looked into the matter
8281
82821789
828301:32:01,725 --> 01:32:04,937
8284and have recommended
8285that the Department of Justice
8286
82871790
828801:32:05,020 --> 01:32:06,980
8289begin a criminal investigation.
8290
82911791
829201:32:07,064 --> 01:32:08,064
8293Good.
8294
82951792
829601:32:08,106 --> 01:32:09,816
8297So have we.
8298
82991793
830001:32:09,900 --> 01:32:12,277
8301Dan Jones,
8302lead Senate investigator.
8303
83041794
830501:32:12,361 --> 01:32:14,947
8306Not the Senate staff.
8307
83081795
830901:32:15,030 --> 01:32:16,823
8310The CIA.
8311
83121796
831301:32:16,907 --> 01:32:18,492
8314Us?
8315
83161797
831701:32:18,575 --> 01:32:22,079
8318Are-are you accusing me or
8319my staff of breaking the law?
8320
83211798
832201:32:22,162 --> 01:32:24,289
8323My understanding is
8324that five CIA employees
8325
83261799
832701:32:24,373 --> 01:32:27,125
8328entered a room
8329that was off-limits.
8330
83311800
833201:32:27,209 --> 01:32:28,335
8333On whose orders?
8334
83351801
833601:32:28,418 --> 01:32:30,587
8337Senator Feinstein
8338is right to call this
8339
83401802
834101:32:30,671 --> 01:32:32,714
8342a violation of
8343the separation of powers.
8344
83451803
834601:32:32,798 --> 01:32:37,302
8347The CIA cannot spy
8348on the U.S. Congress.
8349
83501804
835101:32:39,221 --> 01:32:41,765
8352As inspector general,
8353I'm gonna have to launch
8354
83551805
835601:32:41,848 --> 01:32:45,978
8357a full investigation
8358into the Agency's actions.
8359
83601806
836101:33:05,998 --> 01:33:07,374
8362Am I going to jail?
8363
83641807
836501:33:07,457 --> 01:33:09,501
8366No, they're
8367dropping the charges.
8368
83691808
837001:33:09,584 --> 01:33:11,295
8371You're going back to work.
8372
83731809
837401:33:11,378 --> 01:33:14,047
8375Take the most important
8376findings, finish the summary...
8377
83781810
837901:33:14,131 --> 01:33:15,674
8380No more than 400 pages.
8381
83821811
838301:33:15,757 --> 01:33:19,636
8384I'm going to ask the committee
8385to vote to release it.
8386
83871812
838801:33:25,642 --> 01:33:27,477
8389So, you saw they voted.
8390
83911813
839201:33:27,561 --> 01:33:29,062
839311 to three.
8394
83951814
839601:33:29,146 --> 01:33:31,398
8397They want to release
8398an executive summary.
8399
84001815
840101:33:31,481 --> 01:33:33,817
8402That thing goes out,
8403it puts my people in danger,
8404
84051816
840601:33:33,900 --> 01:33:36,695
8407who are out there
8408in a dangerous world today,
8409
84101817
841101:33:36,778 --> 01:33:38,155
8412trying to do their jobs.
8413
84141818
841501:33:38,238 --> 01:33:39,865
8416Pulls the rug
8417out from under them.
8418
84191819
842001:33:39,948 --> 01:33:43,035
8421Anything that you feel
8422puts your people in harm's way
8423
84241820
842501:33:43,118 --> 01:33:44,369
8426stays classified.
8427
84281821
842901:33:44,453 --> 01:33:47,247
8430If-if the Senate puts out
8431
84321822
843301:33:47,331 --> 01:33:49,249
8434a small pile of pages
8435and the press goes nuts,
8436
84371823
843801:33:49,333 --> 01:33:52,419
8439then everybody's gonna want
8440to see a bigger pile of pages.
8441
84421824
844301:33:52,502 --> 01:33:54,880
8444You keep saying the president
8445wants to turn the page.
8446
84471825
844801:33:54,963 --> 01:33:57,049
8449Well, then turn the page.
8450
84511826
845201:33:57,132 --> 01:33:59,426
8453Close the damn book.
8454
84551827
845601:34:05,098 --> 01:34:07,267
8457Senator Feinstein
8458has asked the White House
8459
84601828
846101:34:07,351 --> 01:34:10,645
8462to head up final comments
8463and redactions.
8464
84651829
846601:34:10,729 --> 01:34:13,815
8467She wants us
8468right in the middle of it.
8469
84701830
847101:34:13,899 --> 01:34:15,192
8472And?
8473
84741831
847501:34:15,275 --> 01:34:19,112
8476And I think that's exactly
8477where you want us.
8478
84791832
848001:34:19,196 --> 01:34:21,365
8481You'll have the pen.
8482
84831833
848401:34:23,283 --> 01:34:24,826
8485Leadership specified
8486
84871834
848801:34:24,910 --> 01:34:27,162
8489that we should redact
8490anything that could result in
8491
84921835
849301:34:27,245 --> 01:34:28,914
8494legal exposure
8495for officers in the field,
8496
84971836
849801:34:28,997 --> 01:34:30,916
8499past or present.
8500
85011837
850201:34:30,999 --> 01:34:35,045
8503Basically, if there's
8504any questions, black it out.
8505
85061838
850701:34:40,842 --> 01:34:43,011
8508You see this?
8509
85101839
851101:34:51,019 --> 01:34:52,604
8512What the...
8513
85141840
851501:34:52,687 --> 01:34:54,981
8516fuck is this?
8517
85181841
851901:34:58,485 --> 01:34:59,921
8520Good afternoon. Where's Marcy?
8521
85221842
852301:34:59,945 --> 01:35:01,029
8524Conference room.
8525
85261843
852701:35:01,113 --> 01:35:02,739
8528Early the next week.
8529
85301844
853101:35:02,823 --> 01:35:05,033
8532Wednesday.
8533
85341845
853501:35:05,117 --> 01:35:06,410
8536Yeah, that'll work.
8537
85381846
853901:35:06,493 --> 01:35:09,204
8540And you get me the agenda.
8541Thank you.
8542
85431847
854401:35:11,706 --> 01:35:13,375
8545Imagine you pick up a book,
8546
85471848
854801:35:13,458 --> 01:35:16,420
8549and "blank" turns water
8550into wine on page 237,
8551
85521849
855301:35:16,503 --> 01:35:19,297
8554and on page 71
8555"blank" heals a leper,
8556
85571850
855801:35:19,381 --> 01:35:22,676
8559and on page 295
8560"blank" rises from the dead.
8561
85621851
856301:35:22,759 --> 01:35:25,053
8564How do you know the blanks
8565are all the same person?
8566
85671852
856801:35:25,137 --> 01:35:27,722
8569I thought that the CIA
8570agreed to using pseudonyms.
8571
85721853
857301:35:27,806 --> 01:35:30,600
8574They did, but now even
8575the fake names are gone.
8576
85771854
857801:35:30,684 --> 01:35:33,061
8579And the dates.
8580
85811855
858201:35:34,980 --> 01:35:36,857
8583The entire story is gone.
8584
85851856
858601:35:44,281 --> 01:35:47,200
8587I hope you took
8588your strong pills today.
8589
85901857
859101:35:48,827 --> 01:35:51,455
8592Isn't it enough
8593to know what actually happened?
8594
85951858
859601:35:51,538 --> 01:35:53,999
8597Do we need to know the names
8598of the people involved?
8599
86001859
860101:35:54,082 --> 01:35:55,792
8602But the actual names
8603aren't in the report.
8604
86051860
860601:35:55,876 --> 01:35:57,836
8607Someone could figure out
8608who our people are
8609
86101861
861101:35:57,919 --> 01:35:59,004
8612based on their pseudonyms.
8613
86141862
861501:35:59,087 --> 01:36:00,922
8616You know, I found
8617a photo of my husband
8618
86191863
862001:36:01,006 --> 01:36:02,924
8621on the Internet
8622linking him to me.
8623
86241864
862501:36:03,008 --> 01:36:04,468
8626Secrecy is very hard
8627to maintain.
8628
86291865
863001:36:04,551 --> 01:36:06,279
8631I believe you introduced
8632your husband publicly
8633
86341866
863501:36:06,303 --> 01:36:07,637
8636at your confirmation hearing.
8637
86381867
863901:36:07,721 --> 01:36:08,722
8640It was on C-SPAN.
8641
86421868
864301:36:08,805 --> 01:36:10,265
8644Some of these people...
8645
86461869
864701:36:10,348 --> 01:36:12,392
8648They are out there
8649in the world, right now.
8650
86511870
865201:36:12,476 --> 01:36:13,477
8653Yes, they are.
8654
86551871
865601:36:13,560 --> 01:36:15,103
8657There's an officer
8658from Alec Station
8659
86601872
866101:36:15,187 --> 01:36:17,230
8662mentioned 41 times in 500 pages.
8663
86641873
866501:36:17,314 --> 01:36:19,232
8666In 1998, her team
8667missed the bombing
8668
86691874
867001:36:19,316 --> 01:36:22,027
8671of the U.S. embassy
8672in Kenya and Tanzania.
8673
86741875
867501:36:22,110 --> 01:36:23,403
86761999, they missed the bombing
8677
86781876
867901:36:23,487 --> 01:36:25,238
8680of the Marriott Hotel
8681in Islamabad.
8682
86831877
868401:36:25,322 --> 01:36:28,909
8685In 2000, she was made aware
8686of two Al Qaeda operatives
8687
86881878
868901:36:28,992 --> 01:36:30,744
8690who arrived in Los Angeles.
8691
86921879
869301:36:30,827 --> 01:36:32,430
8694FBI officers, working within
8695the bin Laden unit,
8696
86971880
869801:36:32,454 --> 01:36:33,914
8699requested permission
8700to investigate.
8701
87021881
870301:36:33,997 --> 01:36:35,624
8704That's not how
8705we want to play it.
8706
87071882
870801:36:35,707 --> 01:36:38,043
8709The CIA knew
8710they were on American soil
8711
87121883
871301:36:38,126 --> 01:36:39,961
8714and didn't do anything.
8715
87161884
871701:36:40,045 --> 01:36:42,297
8718Al-Mihdhar then left the States
8719to play a key role
8720
87211885
872201:36:42,380 --> 01:36:43,924
8723in the bombing of the USS Cole,
8724
87251886
872601:36:44,007 --> 01:36:47,010
8727before returning to hijack
8728Flight 77 with al-Hazmi
8729
87301887
873101:36:47,093 --> 01:36:48,678
8732and crash into the Pentagon.
8733
87341888
873501:36:48,762 --> 01:36:51,097
8736And you want to
8737protect this person's identity.
8738
87391889
874001:36:51,181 --> 01:36:52,641
8741We'd also like to redact
8742
87431890
874401:36:52,724 --> 01:36:54,309
8745the pseudonyms
8746of the contractors.
8747
87481891
874901:36:54,392 --> 01:36:58,021
8750Dr. Mitchell was already quoted
8751by name in The New Yorker.
8752
87531892
875401:36:58,104 --> 01:37:00,815
8755He was handing out brochures
8756at professional conferences
8757
87581893
875901:37:00,899 --> 01:37:03,026
8760telling people
8761he worked for the CIA.
8762
87631894
876401:37:03,109 --> 01:37:05,695
8765If we are protecting
8766the identities of CIA staff,
8767
87681895
876901:37:05,779 --> 01:37:08,031
8770we need to protect
8771our contractors as well.
8772
87731896
877401:37:08,114 --> 01:37:10,325
8775Mitchell and Jessen were given
8776a contract by the Agency
8777
87781897
877901:37:10,408 --> 01:37:11,952
8780for a program that didn't work.
8781
87821898
878301:37:12,035 --> 01:37:13,755
8784The CIA also agreed
8785to a five million dollar
8786
87871899
878801:37:13,828 --> 01:37:16,706
8789indemnification clause
8790for their company that covered,
8791
87921900
879301:37:16,790 --> 01:37:19,876
8794among other expenses,
8795criminal prosecution.
8796
87971901
879801:37:19,960 --> 01:37:23,338
8799You know, I kept
8800the rag we used on KSM.
8801
88021902
880301:37:23,421 --> 01:37:27,217
8804You should eBay that bad boy
8805when this is all over.
8806
88071903
880801:37:27,300 --> 01:37:30,053
8809Make a mint.
8810
88111904
881201:37:30,136 --> 01:37:31,888
8813An internal CIA memo concluded
8814
88151905
881601:37:31,972 --> 01:37:34,724
8817that Mitchell and Jessen "have
8818both shown blatant disregard"
8819
88201906
882101:37:34,808 --> 01:37:38,562
8822for the ethics shared by almost
8823all of their colleagues."
8824
88251907
882601:37:38,645 --> 01:37:41,439
8827The pseudonyms for
8828the contractors need to stay.
8829
88301908
883101:37:43,775 --> 01:37:45,419
8832Guys, we've been
8833at this for months.
8834
88351909
883601:37:45,443 --> 01:37:46,796
8837What about the
8838locations of the black sites?
8839
88401910
884101:37:46,820 --> 01:37:48,238
8842The country names?
8843
88441911
884501:37:48,321 --> 01:37:49,549
8846We made commitments
8847to those countries
8848
88491912
885001:37:49,573 --> 01:37:50,782
8851to maintain their secrecy.
8852
88531913
885401:37:50,865 --> 01:37:52,242
8855No country names.
8856
88571914
885801:37:52,325 --> 01:37:53,827
8859Not open to negotiating
8860these points.
8861
88621915
886301:37:53,910 --> 01:37:56,371
8864We need to consider
8865the morale of the CIA here.
8866
88671916
886801:37:56,454 --> 01:37:57,914
8869Now, we-we publish this report,
8870
88711917
887201:37:57,998 --> 01:38:00,458
8873- there's a very good chance we could lose them.
8874- Lose them?
8875
88761918
887701:38:00,542 --> 01:38:02,127
8878What does that mean?
8879
88801919
888101:38:02,210 --> 01:38:04,146
8882What about the morale
8883of all the people at the Agency
8884
88851920
888601:38:04,170 --> 01:38:05,481
8887who spoke out
8888against the program?
8889
88901921
889101:38:05,505 --> 01:38:06,840
8892What about them?
8893
88941922
889501:38:06,923 --> 01:38:08,925
8896People who sent cables back
8897from black sites
8898
88991923
890001:38:09,009 --> 01:38:10,552
8901saying they wanted
8902to be transferred
8903
89041924
890501:38:10,635 --> 01:38:12,613
8906because they were disgusted by
8907what was being done.
8908
89091925
891001:38:12,637 --> 01:38:13,972
8911All right, uh, look.
8912
89131926
891401:38:14,055 --> 01:38:15,974
8915We have... Dan more than anyone...
8916
89171927
891801:38:16,057 --> 01:38:18,310
8919Have worked to uncover
8920the truth about this
8921
89221928
892301:38:18,393 --> 01:38:19,644
8924when no one else would.
8925
89261929
892701:38:19,728 --> 01:38:21,813
8928We will not allow this
8929to be covered up
8930
89311930
893201:38:21,896 --> 01:38:23,106
8933by the executive branch.
8934
89351931
893601:38:23,189 --> 01:38:24,816
8937President Obama
8938called it torture.
8939
89401932
894101:38:24,899 --> 01:38:26,401
8942Bush and Cheney
8943wouldn't do that.
8944
89451933
894601:38:26,484 --> 01:38:30,071
8947He signed an executive order
8948getting rid of it.
8949
89501934
895101:38:30,155 --> 01:38:31,531
8952Now, just imagine, God forbid,
8953
89541935
895501:38:31,615 --> 01:38:33,950
8956there's another
8957terrorist attack on our watch.
8958
89591936
896001:38:34,034 --> 01:38:35,910
8961There won't be another Democrat
8962
89631937
896401:38:35,994 --> 01:38:38,079
8965in the White House for 20 years.
8966
89671938
896801:38:38,163 --> 01:38:40,248
8969I'd also like
8970to talk about the redactions
8971
89721939
897301:38:40,332 --> 01:38:42,417
8974concerning KSM.
8975
89761940
897701:38:42,500 --> 01:38:44,878
8978Cory Gardner,
8979the Republican challenger,
8980
89811941
898201:38:44,961 --> 01:38:46,755
8983will be the next
8984United States senator
8985
89861942
898701:38:46,838 --> 01:38:48,214
8988from the state of Colorado,
8989
89901943
899101:38:48,298 --> 01:38:50,884
8992defeating the Democratic
8993incumbent, Mark Udall.
8994
89951944
899601:38:50,967 --> 01:38:53,928
8997A major, major win
8998for the Republicans.
8999
90001945
900101:38:54,012 --> 01:38:56,097
9002Chris Frates is standing by
9003in Colorado.
9004
90051946
900601:38:56,181 --> 01:38:58,350
9007This is huge
9008for, uh, Colorado, Wolf.
9009
90101947
901101:38:58,433 --> 01:39:01,478
9012This is the first time
9013a Republican has won
9014
90151948
901601:39:01,561 --> 01:39:04,981
9017the Senate race state-wide
9018in Colorado since 2002.
9019
90201949
902101:39:05,065 --> 01:39:06,650
9022Big night for Colorado,
9023
90241950
902501:39:06,733 --> 01:39:09,944
9026and a big night for control
9027of the United States Senate.
9028
90291951
903001:39:12,822 --> 01:39:14,991
9031She's expecting you.
9032
90331952
903401:39:15,075 --> 01:39:17,410
9035So, I just got a call
9036
90371953
903801:39:17,494 --> 01:39:20,121
9039from Secretary of State Kerry.
9040
90411954
904201:39:20,205 --> 01:39:23,249
9043He thinks that,
9044with the release of the report,
9045
90461955
904701:39:23,333 --> 01:39:27,128
9048that the coalition against ISIL
9049could collapse.
9050
90511956
905201:39:27,212 --> 01:39:29,130
9053Isn't that a bit convenient?
9054
90551957
905601:39:29,214 --> 01:39:30,840
9057- He calls you just before...
9058- Dan.
9059
90601958
906101:39:30,924 --> 01:39:33,843
9062Wh-Where did Kerry get
9063his intel on this? The CIA?
9064
90651959
906601:39:33,927 --> 01:39:37,138
9067- Is it credible?
9068- Embassies could be attacked.
9069
90701960
907101:39:37,222 --> 01:39:38,807
9072Hostages could be killed.
9073
90741961
907501:39:38,890 --> 01:39:40,892
9076It's just another stall tactic.
9077
90781962
907901:39:42,519 --> 01:39:45,063
9080He suggested giving the report
9081to the president,
9082
90831963
908401:39:45,146 --> 01:39:48,858
9085so that it could be released
9086later, when hostilities cease.
9087
90881964
908901:39:48,942 --> 01:39:51,820
9090You lose control of the
9091committee in a week, Senator.
9092
90931965
909401:39:51,903 --> 01:39:53,488
9095Yes, I am aware of what happens
9096
90971966
909801:39:53,571 --> 01:39:56,282
9099when the Republicans
9100are in the majority, Dan.
9101
91021967
910301:39:57,826 --> 01:40:01,496
9104Look, I want to get this report
9105out as much as anyone,
9106
91071968
910801:40:01,579 --> 01:40:04,582
9109but I have known him
9110a long time.
9111
91121969
911301:40:04,666 --> 01:40:06,000
9114I tend to believe him.
9115
91161970
911701:40:06,084 --> 01:40:07,752
9118Nobody else is gonna
9119tell this story.
9120
91211971
912201:40:07,836 --> 01:40:09,313
9123- Dan, the senator has a luncheon.
9124- If we stop now,
9125
91261972
912701:40:09,337 --> 01:40:10,714
9128aren't we a part
9129of the cover-up?
9130
91311973
913201:40:10,797 --> 01:40:12,757
9133Strong pills, Senator?
9134
91351974
913601:40:21,349 --> 01:40:24,936
9137I think you should go home
9138and get some rest.
9139
91401975
914101:40:25,019 --> 01:40:26,730
9142You look tired.
9143
91441976
914501:40:26,813 --> 01:40:31,109
9146Marcy, if I could
9147have five minutes.
9148
91491977
915001:40:31,192 --> 01:40:33,153
9151Of course.
9152
91531978
915401:42:11,668 --> 01:42:14,838
9155Did you ever meet a guy
9156called Greg Craig?
9157
91581979
915901:42:16,464 --> 01:42:19,384
9160Just in pa... White House
9161counsel when Obama took office?
9162
91631980
916401:42:19,467 --> 01:42:21,928
9165- Just in passing.
9166- Right.
9167
91681981
916901:42:22,011 --> 01:42:26,224
9170So, right after he got elected,
9171the president asked Craig
9172
91731982
917401:42:26,307 --> 01:42:28,226
9175to come up with a plan
9176to deal with
9177
91781983
917901:42:28,309 --> 01:42:29,894
9180the aftermath
9181of the torture program.
9182
91831984
918401:42:29,978 --> 01:42:33,690
9185So, he got Secretary of Defense
9186Gates, Janet Napolitano,
9187
91881985
918901:42:33,773 --> 01:42:35,942
9190Hillary Clinton...
9191Serious people... in a room,
9192
91931986
919401:42:36,025 --> 01:42:39,445
9195and he asked for
9196their recommendation.
9197
91981987
919901:42:39,529 --> 01:42:42,740
9200- And?
9201- A-And the consensus
9202
92031988
920401:42:42,824 --> 01:42:44,784
9205was that the president
9206should appoint
9207
92081989
920901:42:44,868 --> 01:42:46,619
9210an independent
9211bipartisan commission
9212
92131990
921401:42:46,703 --> 01:42:48,788
9215into interrogations
9216and detainee treatment,
9217
92181991
921901:42:48,872 --> 01:42:51,624
9220like a deep dive into
9221what worked and what didn't
9222
92231992
922401:42:51,708 --> 01:42:54,919
9225and... who was responsible.
9226
92271993
922801:42:55,003 --> 01:42:56,921
9229You know, like what they did
9230after 9/11,
9231
92321994
923301:42:57,005 --> 01:43:00,008
9234and like what you've been
9235trying to do.
9236
92371995
923801:43:00,091 --> 01:43:01,676
9239So why didn't they do that?
9240
92411996
924201:43:01,759 --> 01:43:04,804
9243Well, evidently,
9244the president listened closely
9245
92461997
924701:43:04,888 --> 01:43:06,598
9248to the recommendation.
9249
92501998
925101:43:06,681 --> 01:43:10,727
9252He then thought about it,
9253and then he said no.
9254
92551999
925601:43:10,810 --> 01:43:15,023
9257He'd spent an entire campaign
9258saying he was post-partisan,
9259
92602000
926101:43:15,106 --> 01:43:17,233
9262so going after
9263the Bush administration
9264
92652001
926601:43:17,317 --> 01:43:19,527
9267flew in the face of all that.
9268
92692002
927001:43:19,611 --> 01:43:24,240
9271And right then, everyone in
9272that room changed their minds.
9273
92742003
927501:43:24,324 --> 01:43:28,620
9276No independent commission.
9277
92782004
927901:43:28,703 --> 01:43:31,414
9280Everyone except Craig,
9281
92822005
928301:43:31,497 --> 01:43:34,876
9284because he thought
9285it was too important.
9286
92872006
928801:43:34,959 --> 01:43:36,836
9289You couldn't just
9290torture people,
9291
92922007
929301:43:36,920 --> 01:43:40,924
9294lie about it,
9295and then hide it from history.
9296
92972008
929801:43:41,007 --> 01:43:44,010
9299A few months later,
9300Craig was gone,
9301
93022009
930301:43:44,093 --> 01:43:47,096
9304and this mess
9305wound up with the Senate.
9306
93072010
930801:43:47,180 --> 01:43:48,932
9309And you.
9310
93112011
931201:43:49,015 --> 01:43:51,476
9313Well, the president must have
9314known that, by doing that,
9315
93162012
931701:43:51,559 --> 01:43:53,353
9318he was making it
9319next to impossible.
9320
93212013
932201:43:53,436 --> 01:43:55,980
9323Uh, he came from the Senate.
9324
93252014
932601:43:56,064 --> 01:43:59,025
9327Dan, they sent you off
9328to build a boat,
9329
93302015
933101:43:59,108 --> 01:44:01,194
9332but they had no intention
9333of sailing it.
9334
93352016
933601:44:01,277 --> 01:44:05,156
9337They probably didn't think
9338you'd get as far as you did.
9339
93402017
934101:44:09,369 --> 01:44:11,245
9342Let me ask you a question.
9343
93442018
934501:44:11,329 --> 01:44:15,041
9346If the CIA knew
9347that torture didn't work,
9348
93492019
935001:44:15,124 --> 01:44:17,251
9351why did they continue to do it?
9352
93532020
935401:44:19,003 --> 01:44:21,381
9355After 9/11,
9356everyone was scared...
9357
93582021
935901:44:23,591 --> 01:44:25,093
9360scared it might happen again,
9361
93622022
936301:44:25,176 --> 01:44:27,428
9364and the CIA would be blamed
9365if it did.
9366
93672023
936801:44:27,512 --> 01:44:29,263
9369Or maybe they were ashamed.
9370
93712024
937201:44:29,347 --> 01:44:31,224
9373You know, how come
9374the most sophisticated
9375
93762025
937701:44:31,307 --> 01:44:33,434
9378intelligence organization
9379on Earth
9380
93812026
938201:44:33,518 --> 01:44:35,853
9383couldn't keep
9384its own people safe?
9385
93862027
938701:44:35,937 --> 01:44:38,690
9388But fear and shame don't make
9389for better policy decisions,
9390
93912028
939201:44:38,773 --> 01:44:40,650
9393and the fact that
9394the people who we captured
9395
93962029
939701:44:40,733 --> 01:44:42,986
9398didn't look like us or
9399believe the same things we do
9400
94012030
940201:44:43,069 --> 01:44:45,405
9403made it that much easier
9404to do the things we did.
9405
94062031
940701:44:45,488 --> 01:44:46,864
9408So once the CIA program started,
9409
94102032
941101:44:46,948 --> 01:44:48,384
9412they had to keep
9413telling people it worked,
9414
94152033
941601:44:48,408 --> 01:44:49,492
9417even if it wasn't true.
9418
94192034
942001:44:49,575 --> 01:44:50,952
9421Their own position was that
9422
94232035
942401:44:51,035 --> 01:44:53,413
9425if it didn't work,
9426it was illegal.
9427
94282036
942901:44:53,496 --> 01:44:55,707
9430So they misrepresented
9431the results.
9432
94332037
943401:45:08,094 --> 01:45:13,433
9435If we had your report,
9436we would print it tomorrow.
9437
94382038
943901:45:13,516 --> 01:45:14,851
9440All of it.
9441
94422039
944301:45:16,227 --> 01:45:17,770
9444The senator said
9445she would release
9446
94472040
944801:45:17,854 --> 01:45:19,939
9449- a summary of the report.
9450- Really?
9451
94522041
945301:45:20,023 --> 01:45:22,191
9454Over the objections of the CIA
9455and the White House?
9456
94572042
945801:45:22,275 --> 01:45:23,544
9459You really think
9460that's gonna happen?
9461
94622043
946301:45:23,568 --> 01:45:25,361
9464If I gave it to you,
9465what would happen?
9466
94672044
946801:45:32,827 --> 01:45:34,704
9469Some people will think
9470you're a hero,
9471
94722045
947301:45:34,787 --> 01:45:36,622
9474and some will probably think
9475you're a traitor.
9476
94772046
947801:45:36,706 --> 01:45:39,500
9479Look at Edward Snowden.
9480
94812047
948201:45:48,843 --> 01:45:50,553
9483No. If it's gonna come out,
9484
94852048
948601:45:50,636 --> 01:45:52,472
9487it's gonna come out
9488the right way.
9489
94902049
949101:45:52,555 --> 01:45:54,849
9492What if it doesn't?
9493
94942050
949501:45:54,932 --> 01:45:57,143
9496Then I didn't do my job.
9497
94982051
949901:45:59,937 --> 01:46:01,147
9500I'm sorry.
9501
95022052
950301:46:02,732 --> 01:46:04,108
9504Sorry.
9505
95062053
950701:46:50,947 --> 01:46:52,824
9508So, with the Affordable Care Act
9509
95102054
951101:46:52,907 --> 01:46:54,867
9512behind us, the president
9513would like to begin
9514
95152055
951601:46:54,951 --> 01:46:57,370
9517a serious discussion
9518about immigration reform.
9519
95202056
952101:46:57,453 --> 01:46:59,455
9522Now, obviously
9523we've had some setbacks
9524
95252057
952601:46:59,539 --> 01:47:01,499
9527in both the House
9528and the Senate,
9529
95302058
953101:47:01,582 --> 01:47:05,503
9532uh, so strategy has become
9533paramount... unity as well.
9534
95352059
953601:47:05,586 --> 01:47:08,131
9537So, we would like to, uh,
9538really start talking about...
9539
95402060
954101:47:08,214 --> 01:47:10,049
9542Excuse me, Mr. McDonough.
9543
95442061
954501:47:10,133 --> 01:47:12,552
9546I would like to discuss
9547the report on the CIA
9548
95492062
955001:47:12,635 --> 01:47:14,095
9551and the White House's position.
9552
95532063
955401:47:14,178 --> 01:47:16,764
9555That's not the topic
9556of this particular caucus.
9557
95582064
955901:47:16,848 --> 01:47:18,933
9560Uh, the president
9561would like to discuss...
9562
95632065
956401:47:19,016 --> 01:47:21,435
9565Our country
9566did things the Nazis did,
9567
95682066
956901:47:21,519 --> 01:47:23,938
9570things that made us
9571condemn other regimes.
9572
95732067
957401:47:24,021 --> 01:47:26,732
9575And the position
9576of this administration
9577
95782068
957901:47:26,816 --> 01:47:28,317
9580is to suppress this information,
9581
95822069
958301:47:28,401 --> 01:47:30,278
9584to keep the people
9585who did these things safe?
9586
95872070
958801:47:30,361 --> 01:47:32,196
9589I can assure you that is not
9590
95912071
959201:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,532
9593the position of
9594this administration, Senator.
9595
95962072
959701:47:34,615 --> 01:47:36,576
9598You worked with John Brennan
9599
96002073
960101:47:36,659 --> 01:47:38,286
9602at the
9603National Security Council.
9604
96052074
960601:47:38,369 --> 01:47:41,080
9607Now, I understand that Brennan
9608gave this president
9609
96102075
961101:47:41,164 --> 01:47:43,374
9612his first security briefing
9613when he took office.
9614
96152076
961601:47:43,457 --> 01:47:45,543
9617And now CIA Director Brennan
9618
96192077
962001:47:45,626 --> 01:47:48,713
9621is working closely with the
9622president on the drone program.
9623
96242078
962501:47:48,796 --> 01:47:50,381
9626You know, it's funny.
9627
96282079
962901:47:50,464 --> 01:47:52,133
9630Every time I go over to the CIA,
9631
96322080
963301:47:52,216 --> 01:47:53,819
9634they claim I'm doing
9635the Senate's bidding,
9636
96372081
963801:47:53,843 --> 01:47:55,136
9639and every time I come here,
9640
96412082
964201:47:55,219 --> 01:47:56,655
9643you claim I'm doing
9644the CIA's bidding.
9645
96462083
964701:47:56,679 --> 01:47:59,974
9648I only have a few days left
9649in my term here,
9650
96512084
965201:48:00,057 --> 01:48:04,437
9653and if there isn't a plan to
9654release the report before I go,
9655
96562085
965701:48:04,520 --> 01:48:07,106
9658I'm prepared to read it
9659on the floor of the Senate.
9660
96612086
966201:48:07,190 --> 01:48:08,649
9663And either the White House
9664
96652087
966601:48:08,733 --> 01:48:10,651
9667or the Republicans
9668will have to stop me.
9669
96702088
967101:48:10,735 --> 01:48:12,171
9672What would you have us do?
9673
96742089
967501:48:12,195 --> 01:48:13,714
9676Now, we go after
9677Bush and Cheney on this,
9678
96792090
968001:48:13,738 --> 01:48:15,489
9681what's to prevent
9682the Republicans
9683
96842091
968501:48:15,573 --> 01:48:19,368
9686from coming back at us and
9687trying to repeal health care?
9688
96892092
969001:48:19,452 --> 01:48:22,205
9691Uh, we go after the CIA,
9692uh, maybe they say,
9693
96942093
969501:48:22,288 --> 01:48:25,249
9696"Okay, well, immigration reform
9697is off the table."
9698
96992094
970001:48:25,333 --> 01:48:27,251
9701Maybe it's gun control.
9702
97032095
970401:48:27,335 --> 01:48:32,340
9705Now, democracy is messy...
9706but let's just think
9707
97082096
970901:48:32,423 --> 01:48:35,134
9710how many countries
9711there are in the world
9712
97132097
971401:48:35,218 --> 01:48:37,261
9715where a report like this
9716could even get done.
9717
97182098
971901:48:41,974 --> 01:48:43,935
9720I would like us to be more than
9721
97222099
972301:48:44,018 --> 01:48:45,561
9724the country that did the report.
9725
97262100
972701:48:45,645 --> 01:48:48,314
9728I'd like us to be the country
9729that made it public.
9730
97312101
973201:48:48,397 --> 01:48:52,026
9733And that is what I intend
9734to see happen.
9735
97362102
973701:48:52,109 --> 01:48:53,986
9738I yield the floor
9739
97402103
974101:48:54,070 --> 01:48:57,531
9742to the senior senator
9743from California.
9744
97452104
974601:49:11,295 --> 01:49:13,214
9747Over the past six years,
9748
97492105
975001:49:13,297 --> 01:49:17,051
9751a small team of investigators
9752pored over more than
9753
97542106
975501:49:17,134 --> 01:49:21,555
97566.3 million pages of CIA records
9757
97582107
975901:49:21,639 --> 01:49:23,891
9760to complete this report.
9761
97622108
976301:49:23,975 --> 01:49:27,937
9764It shows that
9765the CIA's actions a decade ago
9766
97672109
976801:49:28,020 --> 01:49:31,732
9769are a stain on our values
9770and on our history.
9771
97722110
977301:49:31,816 --> 01:49:35,236
9774The release of
9775this 500-page summary
9776
97772111
977801:49:35,319 --> 01:49:37,238
9779cannot remove that stain,
9780
97812112
978201:49:37,321 --> 01:49:41,742
9783but it can and does say
9784to our people and the world
9785
97862113
978701:49:41,826 --> 01:49:45,663
9788that America is big enough
9789to admit when it's wrong
9790
97912114
979201:49:45,746 --> 01:49:49,792
9793and confident enough
9794to learn from its mistakes.
9795
97962115
979701:49:49,875 --> 01:49:53,087
9798Releasing this report is
9799an important step toward
9800
98012116
980201:49:53,170 --> 01:49:56,507
9803restoring our values
9804and showing the world
9805
98062117
980701:49:56,590 --> 01:50:01,053
9808that we are, in fact,
9809a just and lawful society.
9810
98112118
981201:50:01,137 --> 01:50:05,516
9813There are those who will
9814seize upon the report and say,
9815
98162119
981701:50:05,599 --> 01:50:08,311
9818"See what the Americans did?"
9819
98202120
982101:50:08,394 --> 01:50:10,021
9822And they will try to use it
9823
98242121
982501:50:10,104 --> 01:50:13,733
9826to justify evil actions
9827or to incite more violence.
9828
98292122
983001:50:13,816 --> 01:50:17,361
9831We cannot prevent that.
9832
98332123
983401:50:17,445 --> 01:50:19,363
9835But history will judge us
9836
98372124
983801:50:19,447 --> 01:50:24,118
9839by our commitment to
9840a just society governed by law
9841
98422125
984301:50:24,201 --> 01:50:27,455
9844and the willingness
9845to face an ugly truth
9846
98472126
984801:50:27,538 --> 01:50:31,125
9849and say "never again."
9850
98512127
985201:50:31,208 --> 01:50:32,626
9853Thank you.
9854
98552128
985601:50:32,710 --> 01:50:36,589
9857I now yield the floor
9858to the senator from Arizona.
9859
98602129
986101:50:38,424 --> 01:50:40,634
9862What might come as a surprise
9863
98642130
986501:50:40,718 --> 01:50:44,180
9866is how little these practices
9867did to aid our efforts to bring
9868
98692131
987001:50:44,263 --> 01:50:47,391
98719/11 culprits to justice
9872and to find and prevent
9873
98742132
987501:50:47,475 --> 01:50:50,227
9876terrorist attacks
9877today and tomorrow.
9878
98792133
988001:50:50,311 --> 01:50:52,063
9881That could be a real surprise,
9882
98832134
988401:50:52,146 --> 01:50:54,732
9885since it contradicts
9886the many assurances
9887
98882135
988901:50:54,815 --> 01:50:57,026
9890provided by
9891intelligence officials,
9892
98932136
989401:50:57,109 --> 01:50:59,070
9895on the record and in private,
9896
98972137
989801:50:59,153 --> 01:51:02,865
9899that enhanced interrogation
9900techniques were indispensable
9901
99022138
990301:51:02,948 --> 01:51:04,867
9904in the war against terrorism.
9905
99062139
990701:51:04,950 --> 01:51:08,371
9908I think it's an insult to
9909the many intelligence officers
9910
99112140
991201:51:08,454 --> 01:51:10,373
9913who have acquired
9914good intelligence
9915
99162141
991701:51:10,456 --> 01:51:12,541
9918without hurting
9919or degrading prisoners
9920
99212142
992201:51:12,625 --> 01:51:16,462
9923to assert we can't win this war
9924without such methods.
9925
99262143
992701:51:16,545 --> 01:51:19,548
9928Yes, we can, and we will.
9929
99302144
993101:51:19,632 --> 01:51:21,759
9932But in the end,
9933
99342145
993501:51:21,842 --> 01:51:24,428
9936torture's failure to serve
9937its intended purpose
9938
99392146
994001:51:24,512 --> 01:51:27,807
9941isn't the main reason
9942to oppose its use.
9943
99442147
994501:51:27,890 --> 01:51:32,770
9946This question isn't about
9947our enemies; it's about us.
9948
99492148
995001:51:32,853 --> 01:51:38,192
9951It's about who we were, who we
9952are, and who we aspire to be.
9953
99542149
995501:51:38,275 --> 01:51:42,279
9956It's about how we represent
9957ourselves to the world.
9958
99592150
996001:51:42,363 --> 01:51:45,157
9961Our enemies act
9962without conscience.
9963
99642151
996501:51:45,241 --> 01:51:47,201
9966We must not.
9967
99682152
996901:51:49,578 --> 01:51:51,723
9970Senator Dianne Feinstein today
9971
99722153
997301:51:51,747 --> 01:51:54,500
9974exposed the CIA's now extinct
9975
99762154
997701:51:54,583 --> 01:51:56,919
9978enhanced interrogation
9979techniques.
9980
99812155
998201:51:57,002 --> 01:51:58,587
9983The thing that strikes me about
9984
99852156
998601:51:58,671 --> 01:52:00,047
9987what the Senate
9988was doing today...
9989
99902157
999101:52:00,131 --> 01:52:02,007
9992Dianne Feinstein,
9993Jay Rockefeller...
9994
99952158
999601:52:02,091 --> 01:52:03,843
9997Is they were doing
9998everything they can
9999
100002159
1000101:52:03,926 --> 01:52:06,554
10002to make sure
10003this doesn't happen again.
10004
100052160
1000601:52:06,637 --> 01:52:08,722
10007Because by going public
10008like this...
10009
100102161
1001101:52:08,806 --> 01:52:10,891
10012Dan.
10013
100142162
1001501:52:10,975 --> 01:52:12,476
10016You did well.
10017
100182163
1001901:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,311
10020Thank you.
10021
100222164
1002301:52:15,020 --> 01:52:16,689
10024Thank you.
10025
100262165
1002701:52:16,772 --> 01:52:20,484
10028"We're gonna be on you
10029if you try to do this."
10030
100312166
1003201:56:07,795 --> 01:56:11,048
10033♪ If pain was a color
10034to paint on you ♪
10035
100362167
1003701:56:11,131 --> 01:56:14,093
10038♪ Your heart would be
10039the color blue ♪
10040
100412168
1004201:56:14,176 --> 01:56:18,055
10043♪ Be a gradient from there
10044until your body met your hair ♪
10045
100462169
1004701:56:18,138 --> 01:56:19,682
10048♪ Which remained a silver ♪
10049
100502170
1005101:56:19,765 --> 01:56:22,893
10052♪ You are the one
10053they call Jesus Christ ♪
10054
100552171
1005601:56:22,976 --> 01:56:25,938
10057♪ Who didn't know
10058no rock and roll ♪
10059
100602172
1006101:56:26,021 --> 01:56:29,483
10062♪ Just a mission and a gun
10063to paint rainbows in Vietnam ♪
10064
100652173
1006601:56:29,566 --> 01:56:31,402
10067♪ And a heart
10068that always told you ♪
10069
100702174
1007101:56:31,485 --> 01:56:33,904
10072♪ There's a madness in us all ♪
10073
100742175
1007501:56:34,905 --> 01:56:38,117
10076♪ There's a madness in us all ♪
10077
100782176
1007901:56:38,200 --> 01:56:41,870
10080♪ So who wrote the rules?
10081Who wrote the rules? ♪
10082
100832177
1008401:56:41,954 --> 01:56:43,747
10085♪ Who wrote the rules? ♪
10086
100872178
1008801:56:43,831 --> 01:56:48,001
10089♪ They said every one of you
10090will never try to lend a hand ♪
10091
100922179
1009301:56:48,085 --> 01:56:51,880
10094♪ When the policemen
10095don't understand ♪
10096
100972180
1009801:56:51,964 --> 01:56:57,177
10099♪ Boys, all you boys,
10100think it's so American ♪
10101
101022181
1010301:56:58,804 --> 01:57:04,184
10104♪ Girls, all you girls,
10105yeah, you're so American ♪
10106
101072182
1010801:57:07,896 --> 01:57:10,816
10109♪ He may not be
10110born of this land ♪
10111
101122183
1011301:57:10,899 --> 01:57:13,902
10114♪ But he was born
10115of this world ♪
10116
101172184
1011801:57:13,986 --> 01:57:15,779
10119♪ He was born
10120of all the mothers ♪
10121
101222185
1012301:57:15,863 --> 01:57:17,489
10124♪ And the colors
10125of our brothers ♪
10126
101272186
1012801:57:17,573 --> 01:57:19,533
10129♪ And the love
10130that was started ♪
10131
101322187
1013301:57:19,616 --> 01:57:22,619
10134♪ You are the one
10135they call Jesus Christ ♪
10136
101372188
1013801:57:22,703 --> 01:57:25,748
10139♪ Who may not know
10140no rock and roll ♪
10141
101422189
1014301:57:25,831 --> 01:57:27,583
10144♪ And there may not be
10145a Heaven ♪
10146
101472190
1014801:57:27,666 --> 01:57:29,418
10149♪ Or a place
10150of which to send you ♪
10151
101522191
1015301:57:29,501 --> 01:57:30,961
10154♪ But you know in the end ♪
10155
101562192
1015701:57:31,044 --> 01:57:33,589
10158♪ There's madness in us all ♪
10159
101602193
1016101:57:34,590 --> 01:57:36,967
10162♪ There's a madness in us all ♪
10163
101642194
1016501:57:37,968 --> 01:57:40,262
10166♪ There's a madness in us all ♪
10167
101682195
1016901:57:41,263 --> 01:57:44,600
10170♪ There's a madness in us all ♪
10171
101722196
1017301:57:44,683 --> 01:57:48,312
10174♪ So who wrote the rules?
10175Who wrote the rules? ♪
10176
101772197
1017801:57:48,395 --> 01:57:50,314
10179♪ Who wrote the rules? ♪
10180
101812198
1018201:57:50,397 --> 01:57:54,568
10183♪ They said every one of you
10184will never try to lend a hand ♪
10185
101862199
1018701:57:54,651 --> 01:57:58,447
10188♪ When the policemen
10189don't understand ♪
10190
101912200
1019201:57:58,530 --> 01:58:03,744
10193♪ Boys, all you boys,
10194think it's so American ♪
10195
101962201
1019701:58:05,370 --> 01:58:10,751
10198♪ Girls, all you girls,
10199yeah, you're so American ♪
10200
102012202
1020201:58:12,211 --> 01:58:14,797
10203♪ There's two eyes
10204for every one of us ♪
10205
102062203
1020701:58:14,880 --> 01:58:18,842
10208♪ But somebody got there first
10209and took them all ♪
10210
102112204
1021201:58:18,926 --> 01:58:21,595
10213♪ There's two eyes
10214for every one of us ♪
10215
102162205
1021701:58:21,678 --> 01:58:24,807
10218♪ But somebody got there first
10219and took them all ♪
10220
102212206
1022201:58:39,321 --> 01:58:44,368
10223♪ Man, oh, man,
10224you think it's so American ♪
10225
102262207
1022701:58:46,078 --> 01:58:51,124
10228♪ Man, oh, man,
10229yeah, you're so American ♪
10230
102312208
1023201:58:52,876 --> 01:58:57,840
10233♪ Man, oh, man,
10234you think it's so American ♪
10235
102362209
1023701:58:59,550 --> 01:59:04,596
10238♪ Man, oh, man,
10239yeah, you're so American ♪
10240
102412210
1024201:59:06,139 --> 01:59:08,517
10243♪ There's two eyes
10244for every one of us ♪
10245
102462211
1024701:59:08,600 --> 01:59:12,563
10248♪ But somebody got there first
10249and took them all ♪
10250
102512212
1025201:59:12,646 --> 01:59:15,274
10253♪ There's two eyes
10254for every one of us ♪
10255
102562213
1025701:59:15,357 --> 01:59:18,777
10258♪ But somebody got there first
10259and took them all. ♪