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1Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/12/2018
2This is the typing channel for @pho. Any input is appreciated!
3https://docs.google.com/document/d/158k7lkBjNcIATqHx7vzE1t7uMglAWvoRcw0TxPuCSBg/edit?usp=sharing
4Google Docs
5pho
6Your Enneagram Plus Questionnaire Results  01/07/2018  The following are the results from your Enneagram questionnaire.  We will use the answers collected to create a type me channel for you on Discord. Our process is entirely anonymous at first...
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8Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.03/12/2018
9jj 🖤 - 03/12/2018
10owo
11pho - 03/12/2018
12o shit
13its here pham
14also I've rethought some of my answers about shame so feel free to ask
15Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/12/2018
16okies
17or you can just
18type them out
19and i'll pin it
20pho - 03/12/2018
21alright. I think I just prefer to answer spontaneously but I'll consider
22Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/12/2018
23okies, sounds good
24when you do, mention me so i can pin it lmao(edited)
25pho - 03/12/2018
26kk
27looking forward to input this q was fun to answer
28Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/12/2018
29aw :3
30i'm glad
31Sprouter (â—•oâ—•) - 03/12/2018
32;o
33Spicy Joker - 03/12/2018
34o shit
35pho - 03/12/2018
36where y'all ni:b::b:as at :hyperultramegathonk:
37Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/12/2018
38i will get to it soon ma dear ;-;
39pho - 03/12/2018
40I'm berating these other freeloaders :bhinking:
41jj 🖤 - 03/12/2018
42me in type me threads is akin to the role of the person who brings cheap beers to legitimate study sessions tbh
43Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/12/2018
44will get to yours and mambas when i'm not running on zero sleep
45sonyu - 03/13/2018
468 and 5 seem pretty clear here but heart fix is like nonexistent lol
478w9 5w6 x?
48i don't have specific questions so it'd probably be best if you talked in general about your relation to shame/image/identity
49pho - 03/13/2018
50yeah of course
51so my relationship to shame is tumultuous
52in the past it drove me to either shut down or to action
53getting so angry that I'd force myself to act
54how could I let myself be this way
55etc
56usually I'd entirely ignore it but I've come to realize that the benefit of feeling things like shame can help you redefine yourself
57I feel x... because of y circumstances
58drawing yourself towards those negative states  instead of rejecting them is beneficial even if they're disruptive
59I prefer to feel secure with what I've got going on and taking those feelings into account gives a new perspective
60regarding image, I want to be... impressive I suppose
61like, radiating both calmness and strength
62its literally an 8w9 meme tbh
63Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
64Did you make this because you're unsure of your heart fix?
65pho - 03/13/2018
66but at the same time I can get complacent, prefering inertia to momentum, and I need to give myself a jolt of something usually it involves angry directed towards this stagnancy
67in essence yeah
68Sprouter (â—•oâ—•) - 03/13/2018
69leaning to 3 fix
70Ling Ling - 03/13/2018
71yeah ur undoubtedly 8w9. i think definitely 4 for the heart fix, but i can't tell if w3 or w5. i'd say more w5 from the questionnaire, u seem to keep ur shame hidden and try to avoid it
72rip
73Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
74Why did you think you had a 4 fix as oppose to a 3 fix
75pho - 03/13/2018
76moreso, I wanted a public space to discuss my beliefs and how I see myself because I'm a closed book. People come to me for their problems, I don't go to them because their perspective is so off base with my experience  @Spicy Joker
77Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
78I see
79pho - 03/13/2018
80this is basically an exercise of vulnerability and I grow from outsider/ clear cut insight because I'm just myself tbh
81well, it was more based on the archetype descriptions  @Spicy Joker 854 resonated vs 853.
82Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
83Well based on what you said so far i would say 854. "this is basically an exercise of vulnerability and I grow from outsider/ clear cut insight because I'm just myself tbh" this also seems more 854 than 853
84Although I'll have to read your questionnaire when i get home
85pho - 03/13/2018
86oh yeah, the q is quite uhh
87elaborate
88sonyu - 03/13/2018
89you focus a lot on self-development and tasks is what i noticed, which is kinda 3ish i guess.
90Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
91It could also be because of the 8 5 combo
92Wanting to be in control and competent?
93pho - 03/13/2018
94yeah, 3 vs 4 on heartfix is something I've been trying to discern for a while, just not in a public space
95sonyu - 03/13/2018
96im not familiar with a lot of 854 but they usually stood out more, because there was focus on self-expression of their inner self
97Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
983 fix can still be possible
99pho - 03/13/2018
100I can elucidate some of this if you're willing to read something I wrote about a year ago
101@sonyu
102sonyu - 03/13/2018
103even as a last fix you can see themes of abandonment, origin, melancholy
104sure
105pho - 03/13/2018
106http://phobocosm.tumblr.com/post/138535244947/entry-iii
107Tumblr
108EXODROMOS
109Entry III
110I had to do it. It was time that I confronted this blight. I plunged my hand below shadowed depths upon expectation of gnashing claws from grotesque monster, wild by all senses of the word. I would...
111
112this is a sort of extended allegory for how I perceived my negative self
113sonyu - 03/13/2018
1148 af
115i can relate to that
116pho - 03/13/2018
117poetry used to be cathartic for me,  a way to confront feelings of weakness, give them form and shape. the only downside is its exceptionally intense and draining process
118and I had to amplify these feelings to write about them
119Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
120Its as if bias was an 8
121pho - 03/13/2018
122:Clapking:
123Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
124I think I'll stick my vote to 854
125Unless questionnaire shows me something else
126pho - 03/13/2018
127you'll probably get the most insight from the 9 circles answers(edited)
128I enjoyed the creative process, but I'd be prone to those intense feelings for a time afterwards, perhaps I sacrificed short term benefit for the long term benefit of reevaluating feelings and emotions I didn't want to feel
129nvm vice versa
130Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
131Honestly I'm feeling your 4 fix over 3 based on like your writing style,  especially on the nine circle answers
132Its very personal
133And expressive
134sonyu - 03/13/2018
135it's more about pattern throughout life
136its not like 3 fixers are not expressive
137or cant be personal
138Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
139That Is true, definitively not decisive what I'm saying
140pho - 03/13/2018
141the version you're reading is amended from the first draft I lost due to browser error, I was pissed initially that I lost it but it allowed me to be more concise
142Spicy Joker - 03/13/2018
143Just a vibe/hunch thing
144sonyu - 03/13/2018
145draining process
146and I had to amplify these feelings to write about them
147 so its not something you usually do?
148amplifying emotions(edited)
149pho - 03/13/2018
150it was typically to... get that writing process going.
151I have a tendency to process things visually, the piece you read reconciling my inner demon was me describing that mental landscape
152shame, sadness, etc. are vulnerable states for me.  usually I need to force myself to feel them
153music imparts a similar effect
154I'm typically calm, very little upsets, disrupts, or energizes me
155I've noticed a stimulus gets me to react, going into that 8 reactivity
156pho - 03/13/2018
157a force outside myself, etc
158sonyu - 03/13/2018
159do you know what makes you feel shame most often?
160and can you specify what it is?
161pho - 03/13/2018
162yes.
163not really knowing how to "connect" and relate to most people, even those I'm close with
164I dont get the value of interacting with other's for interaction's sake
165irl at least, its different in chatrooms like this where there's only words
166its like a cost benefit analysis tbh
167if someone tells me a problem relating to people I tend to think "why are you interacting with someone like this to begin with, just cut them out"
168sonyu - 03/13/2018
169^ikr?
170i mostly like talking if im attracted/somehow drawn to a specific individual but i dont get my hopes up because usually the further it progresses i just end up being disappointed and feeling that i wont be understood or accepted for all of me.
171pho - 03/13/2018
172oh yes, that's different
173like if I'm physically attracted to someone
174I become a different person
175sonyu - 03/13/2018
176i feel like i cant connect because im too fucked up by my life experiences. everyone else seems to have it together, but i ended up in a place that is out of reach for most people. there is an extreme separation between me and the real world and ive lived like that my whole life pretty much.
177pho - 03/13/2018
178I'm getting into gym and heading to work, I'll respond when I've got downtime
179sonyu - 03/13/2018
180not really knowing how to "connect" and relate to most people
181 does it also make you feel flawed/defective?
182pho - 03/13/2018
183not really, I'm fairly confident that my strengths outweigh perceived weakness, just alienated
184like Ive gotta go about my problems as a lone wolf
185sonyu - 03/13/2018
186is there anything that makes you feel flawed/defective?
187sonyu - 03/13/2018
188i think 4w5 fix could fit based on what you wrote and shared here
1894 would be like the only image-y thing in your whole tritype so it makes sense that it would come off as very weak/not impactful
1908w9-5w6-4w5
191pho - 03/13/2018
192if anything its shame derived from not desiring contact with most people
193and not knowing how to establish contact with those I want to connect with
194if I'm interested in someone, there's a reason for it, it feels like I'm approaching them from an angle
195like, if someone wants to interact with me, they'll do it
196sonyu - 03/13/2018
197for me its normal to not want or even need connection with most people
198i tend to simply reject most people because they don't seem to draw me in.
199my partner had the biggest impact on me and ive never been into someone else as much, so i want to keep sustaining and escalating chemistry exclusively with him, ignoring everyone else.
200but yeah no shame about it for me
201i might strike a conversation with someone(mostly online)about a specific subject im obsessed about to get an energy fix. otherwise i need a clear chemistry/attraction. i get a bit conflicted when when there is an energy building up between me and other people, it almost feels like cheating.
202
203Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
2041) I almost never get someone's type on the first question
2052) 
206Violence - My history of violence doesn't stem from conflict with others but brutality against myself. An incessant drive to annihilate a current self in pursuit of creation from destruction. I think it's false to say that we die once exeunt final breath. Growth is a cycle of killing and cultivating parts of yourself and we die many times in life to this end. Cats and their 9 lives don't have shit on humanity's inner struggle.
207
208so many thonks
209
210Anger -  Anger holds great power in the sense that it manifests ultimatums, dualities, and split paths. Acting on anger decisively sets you on a path towards one end or the other.  I think anger exemplifies this quality more than any other emotion as it embodies the essence of conflict and its eventual resolution. Fear of anger stems from this element of bleak certainty - something happens or it does not. Action partial towards anger may alter your life forever in unintended ways. Overall, I'd say its an invigorating force as it drives me towards change.
211
212his sin appears to me as altered fraud/treachery as its a betrayal of confidences in the realm of love, affection, and intimacy. There's very little I fear more than a dagger slipped between my ribs by a loved one and cannot see myself imparting this ordeal unto another. 
213
214wew :blobsweats: 
215yeeeaaah, gonna say :eight: is in there lol
216Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
2173) 
218Knowing what you want makes you immune to the machinations of others.
219
220yeah that's 8 again. The beginning of this paragraph kinda made me think 4, because there's like a focus on what's meaningful and identity, but that doesn't always necessarily just mean 4
2214) and 5)  lol gonna need a little bit more than that haha :upside_down: 
2226) 
223You've always got yourself so trusting your decisions and acting with confidence gives you the strength to be alright with the aftermath of your actions. Eventually, you build the strength to understand you'll be alright no matter what happens to you. 
224
225like the most :eight: thing someone's ever said >.>
2267) 
227Reliance on inner strength insulates you the oppressive weight of externalities. Inner tranquility shields you from turmoil; it's an allowance to take blow after blow from an abjectly cruel and indifferent world, get back up, and fight back with ten times the force.
228
229wew dat 8w9 :blobsweats:
2308) 
231Fear exists internally, it's a pessimistic projection on reality and ultimately a barrier to experience. Working past fear opens an individual to new modes of living. There aren't many things I fear, primarily poverty and losing a limb. However, these fears require an element of utter annihilation that has yet to be instanced and aren't rational to entertain. If it hasn't already occurred, don't worry about it. 
232
233okay don't 8w9 your way out of the only question that gives me a sens of your head fix lol
2349) 
235If you want to change something, get angry. Clear the air, drop a few F bombs, maybe humiliate your interlocutor.
236
237:blobsweats:
23810) lol phooo, i need more to work with than this :smile:
23911) 
240I tend to feel a numbing sensation and become hyper-focused on my task at hand. For long term stress, such as being out of work, I shut down almost entirely into a semi catatonic state. It's almost as if my lack of inertia refuses to acknowledge the problem exists. 
241
242w9 much?
24312) through 16) are either one sentence or i can't really tell what to attribute them too 
24417) 
245 `Conflict is great. Solve issues efficiently and move on. I don't get why others are so avoidant. Problems don't disappear if they're ignored so why do anything but solve them.
246
247again :blobsweats: 
24818) i could maybe see a competency bent here with like a 5 fix
24919) 
25019) When it comes to conflict resolution, what often gets in your way?: 
251-I tend to assume the worst. Some might call me paranoid.
252-I deny or delay the inevitable. Some might call me naive.
253-I do not see the point of affirmations. Some might say that I lack empathy.
254
255Answer: other people
256
257Please tell us why you chose this answer: 
258Explanation: ask me more about this in the typing channel
259.
26020) yeah can see a little more 5 fix here possibly 
26121) 
26221) If you had to give up one thing for the promise of happiness it would be:
263-My awareness of who I am and what I desire.
264-My current object of intrigue.
265-My sensitivities and the attempts by others to help me.
266
267Answer: My sensitivities and the attempts by others to help me.
268
269Please tell us why you chose this answer:
270Explanation: This question is like "Press the button that gives you 10 million dollars or 100 million dollars." I'd like to know what it's like to not respect the boundaries of others as much as I do. Perhaps my interactions with others would be more interesting
271
272what do you mean by this?
273wewph
274ok i did it :happypanda~1:
275i actually thought i was gonna see more 9, but that didn't show up til the second half of the q
276dunno about heart fix or head fix, tbh because the answers were to short :P
277but i would have a hard time seeing anything but 8w9 core >.>
278pho - 03/16/2018
279hehe hEHe
280so regarding the other people thing
281I tend to cut through conflict very easily
282get to the meat of potatoes and have your fill
283however when imparting this advice to others there's usually a resistance
284i.e. my best friend had shitty experiences with her ex.
285after it happened I told her to block contact with him, cut him off entirely
286or else more shit would happen
287well, she didn't,  still kept contact, and more shit happened
288after the second time, she took my advice
289I think its because my way of dealing with things is direct, "I have a problem" "well you should eviscerate it"
290"oh but that's hard"
291"well its gonna solve your problem right?"
292Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
293yeah i think that comes down to the whole "8s are almost always in the 'i have nothing to lose' mode"
294and that's because they don't really let their fears come up like other peoples do lol
295pho - 03/16/2018
296and I forget that
297people create their own issues by trying to find roundabout solutions to issues that elicit states of uncomfort
298Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
299You've always got yourself so trusting your decisions and acting with confidence gives you the strength to be alright with the aftermath of your actions. Eventually, you build the strength to understand you'll be alright no matter what happens to you. 
300
301this is basically the lesson an 8w9 teaches the world, but not in a 9 way of like "everything is connected" more like a visceral thing like "you will be okay, you just made it through all that other shit, what's the worst that can happen?" "so what you lose everything, you're still ok??"
302pho - 03/16/2018
303yeah
304Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
305the "you'll be alright no matter what happens to you" part
306pho - 03/16/2018
307like, I'd hate to lose an arm or leg
308Its my biggest fear
309but at the same time I know I'm not at a dead end
310Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
311i think that's something ingrained in every 8 like a lot of the time
312like i don't remember that at all when i'm in a conflict, or if i'm outside a conflict and i'm trying to come up with comfortable solutions
313pho - 03/16/2018
314fear doesnt control you unless you enable it, assuming it will happen when there's no reason for that to be the case
315ofcourse I am fearful with certain things in the realm of people and intimacy, not taking risks in that respect
316but I reject it as fear and say "its not worth my time"
317Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
318hmm
319yeah that's rejection triad :smile:
320might be some 5 in that sentiment tho too
321pho - 03/16/2018
322something was mentioned in here earlier
323about image fix being last
324and it really reasonated
325in that I dont have a clue as to how to adjust myself to influence people
326
327Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
328lol that sounds like lower dimension Se
329i think the image is more like uhh
330based on identity stuff
331worthiness, shame, identity, etc
332pho - 03/16/2018
333:thronking:
334Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
335like are you just out of touch with your image?
336pho - 03/16/2018
337yes
338Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
339because i relate to that
340pho - 03/16/2018
341I have no idea how I come off to people
342since I'm just myself
343Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
344yeah i could see image last
345but like there is also this ....pervasive thing in your q
346pho - 03/16/2018
347I'm not trying to form any specific impression on others
348Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
349that sort of seemed very 4w5
350like looking for essential meaningfulness in every single thing
351yeah, that's usually a 3 fixer that does that
3524s are usually "aware" of the way they they are different
353pho - 03/16/2018
354yeah, so that basically rules out 3 fix, even as last I'd imagine
355Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
356oh
357pho - 03/16/2018
358i meannn
359Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
360was it on the table?
361pho - 03/16/2018
362does it
363it was initially but I think the backreading settled it
364Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
365i am pretty sure that if you're not even really that proactive let alone active in that sense
366that it's most likely not on the table
367the 3 fix i mean
368what's is like for you to fail and stuff?
369like are you super competitive?
370pho - 03/16/2018
371I tend to let things go rather easily
372failure is... a process. like theres no specific criteria for failure except death
373Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
374:thinking:
375thonks
376idk what that means tbh lol
377pho - 03/16/2018
378"oh I didn't really do this thing I said I would today, I can do it later"
379Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
380yeah
381self regulation
382that's the w9
383i do that too
384also i could see you having a 5 fix so that could do it too
385the ego/withdrawn types are literally always self regulating like that
386pho - 03/16/2018
387yeah my standards for success or failure have never been external
388Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
389which tbh, is probably another reason why you don't come off like a super aggressive 8
390is if you had a 5 and 4 fix
391that's double self regulation fixes lol
392pho - 03/16/2018
393I can't remember ever caring about living  up to the standards of anyone but myself(edited)
394teachers, parents, family, friends
395significant others
396Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
397hmm yeah i mean, idk if that has to do with heart fix :thinking:
398just sounds like assertive triad
399but i guess it could be heart fix
400pho - 03/16/2018
401self comparison isnt something I do regularly either, if I see someone it's usually from a point of admiration
402silent admiration ofc
403Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
404like it sounds like a subtle emphasis on authenticity
405ok now that sounds more 4 lol
406pho - 03/16/2018
407lol
408Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
409idealizing'ish? unless i'm misinterpreting it
410pho - 03/16/2018
411like, I saw a dude that was my height and was really well built physique and just had a lot of respect for him
412Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
413yeah that feels 4 haha
414pho - 03/16/2018
415"I'll get there someday, thanks for showing me what I've got to look forward to dawg"
416Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
417haha :P
418pho - 03/16/2018
419can you think of wing fix for 5
420also any evidence for something other than sp/sx would be interesting but I don't think there's any
421Spacey - 03/16/2018
422I'm not sure if I'd see any 6 for you, but I will also read this later
423pho - 03/16/2018
424thenk
425Spacey - 03/16/2018
426same as umi, probably not until after the weekend, but I'll see how much I wanna procrastinate (;
427pho - 03/16/2018
428:thronking:
429I forgot that "later" for 7s means something between immediately after or an incalculable period thereafter
430Spacey - 03/16/2018
431lol yes
432that's why I'm explicit
433ish
434after the weekend could also be uh
435in a month
436¯\_(ツ)_/¯
437pho - 03/16/2018
438so are you core 7 or 8 now
439undecided?
440Spacey - 03/16/2018
441idk man, idk
442pho - 03/16/2018
443rip
444Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
445lol rip af
446Spacey - 03/16/2018
447I mean same with 2, I just relate equally to my whole tritype really
448pho - 03/16/2018
4497w8 2 8 :whom:
450
451xezene - 03/16/2018
452just finished
453first, holy moly
454pho - 03/16/2018
455:Clapking:
456xezene - 03/16/2018
457that has got to be one of the most image last things i've ever read
458not only are you image last, its barely there
459still, it was enough to eliminate 2
460as for 3 or 4, you are focused a lot on striving against stagnation and towards development, and is more assertive and can seem 3ish, but your open respect for conflict and starting shit does seem kind of double reactive
461i dont know if double competent would say that
462probably not
463either 3w4 or 4w5 for last fix
464probably 4w5 simply because you have almost no image emphasis(edited)
465pho - 03/16/2018
466yeah, its important to note what you mentioned there
467respect for conflict
468its not something I do simply for its own sake
469xezene - 03/16/2018
470yeah
4718s are naturally that way but you have 5 behind it
472to have 3 also behind it would mean you'd slightly be less willing to go after that
473especially with the whole being capable of razorsharp comments thing
474seems kind of like dark side of 4
475pho - 03/16/2018
476there were a few times where my father really pissed me off and I tore him to shreds
477xezene - 03/16/2018
478yeah
479pho - 03/16/2018
480just no hesitation whatsoever, no regard for him being my parent
481xezene - 03/16/2018
482overall i cant say i'm certain of it but leaning towards 4
483overall its between 4w5 or 3w4. but second is less likely
484one thing certain is your last fix is not only last but pretty low in you
485yea
486pho - 03/16/2018
487can you discern a wing on 5 fix
488xezene - 03/16/2018
489w4
490pho - 03/16/2018
491ok
492xezene - 03/16/2018
493too dark for w6
494pho - 03/16/2018
495Wow really?
496xezene - 03/16/2018
497yeah
4985w6 is actually not that dark in general
499even with 8 in front of it
500you talk like a combination of 8w9 and 5w4
501pho - 03/16/2018
502hence I typed 5w4 when I was disintegrated for a while
503aka first time into enneagrammatical
504xezene - 03/16/2018
505you seem very little oriented around others and the w6 would have brought that out
506at least, from what i can tell
507pho - 03/16/2018
508I'll abandon friend groups for a few weeks at a time
509xezene - 03/16/2018
510every once in a while you go on in a very 5w4 way
511highly personal understandings, abstract words showing up
512pho - 03/16/2018
513and just come back like I never left
514xezene - 03/16/2018
5155w6 doesnt get that poetic with it
516oh, yeah
517pho - 03/16/2018
518this q was primarily an exercise in expression, to really examine myself and the things I held true
519in addition to getting input from others
520xezene - 03/16/2018
521also one big difference between 5w4 and 5w6 thinking is that 5w4 will implicitly try to understand the root, or whats "underneath" whats going on in a more psychological way... you do that. 5w6 is more systematic in thinking
522pho - 03/16/2018
523I wrote it like a fever dream, lost my progress, redid it in 4 hrs
524xezene - 03/16/2018
525yeah
526pho - 03/16/2018
527I didn't want to break that mental state hence one sitting being necessary
528and yeah systematic thinking
529that's not my forte
530systems restrain me because I struggle to break free
531or I feel restrained by adhering to them
532xezene - 03/16/2018
533mhm
534pho - 03/16/2018
535so whats your take on 4w5 vs 3w4
536and how could we discern it
537xezene - 03/16/2018
538its harder to say because its like taking a picture of pluto
539but
540lol
541probably 4w5
542pho - 03/16/2018
543lmfao youre not wrong
544xezene - 03/16/2018
545:smile:
546pho - 03/16/2018
547yeah that's 8w9 5w4 4w5
548that connection to 5 is so strong
549xezene - 03/16/2018
550it was interesting for me because while reading it, you know, we are not that far off in terms of tri and variants
551but actually
552it makes a big difference that you are image last and 8 core, and the sp/sx
553like i've known other people that had sp/sx and were similar but its more clear with you because
554very insular vibe like, very very much.... its way less open than me
555pho - 03/16/2018
556image last, the presentation is raw because there is no presentation
557and that's how, in my experience, how people see me. I've been at bars and had people be like "dude you okay, you look really pissed off", sitting alone despite being with a group
558xezene - 03/16/2018
559yeah
560i think you are just very like within yourself
561it seems like
562like hard to get thru at first
563it would take time for you to let someone in i think
564like thats generally the case with sp/sx period but i think more for you
565pho - 03/16/2018
566a very long time imo. I had an ex that tried and just
567yeah
568xezene - 03/16/2018
569it would probably be very hard for someone to really intimidate you i think
570i mean thats usually the case for 8+5 but i think your 4 is just sitting in the back not gonna sit and take shit
571pho - 03/16/2018
572I can't remember, if someone manages to intimidate they instill a sense of admiration
573xezene - 03/16/2018
574lmfao
575Eclipsed - 03/16/2018
576:eyes: 5 fixes smh
577pho - 03/16/2018
578ok, so yesterday. I got off from my bikeride and this dude approaches me.  mentions he used to cycle, I'm guessing he was an 8. I'm tired as fuck and hes on an ego trip about all this cycling he used to do. the neighbors cat approaches me and I'm just like .... :bhinking: CAT. so I bend down and start petting cat
579and then he snaps his fingers
580eyes up here
581xezene - 03/16/2018
582haha omg
583wtf
584bastard
585pho - 03/16/2018
586I indulge him
587because he had the gall to even make that gesture
588xezene - 03/16/2018
589i would be laughing so hard
590like i am right now
591:smile:
592Eclipsed - 03/16/2018
593lmfao
594pho - 03/16/2018
595I was like
596Eclipsed - 03/16/2018
597always pick cat
598pho - 03/16/2018
599ok you've got my attention
600
601xezene - 03/16/2018
602not if i was in it, if i was in it i might actually kind of be like dafuq are you?!
603
604but watching it i'd laugh so hard(edited)
605haha
606pho - 03/16/2018
607if he does it again I'm gonna him I'm not a dog and to fuck off
608xezene - 03/16/2018
609hahhaha
610now i want to just see your nonreaction reactions
611i'd lose my shit
612pho - 03/16/2018
613I literally just
614bent down to get cat as he's talking
615the disrespect didn't register until I got inside my apartment
616xezene - 03/16/2018
617super image last lol but still doesnt justify his sass
618pho - 03/16/2018
619aka image last
620what really got me was
621"I'm gonna help you with your cycling"
622I  said "Ok"
623but really
624":thenkong:"
625how tf you gonna do that
626xezene - 03/16/2018
627lol
628pho - 03/16/2018
629My non reactivity trips me up at times
630xezene - 03/16/2018
631i still cant believe that lol
632did he really say eyes up here? or is that a phoism cause either way its perfect
633pho - 03/16/2018
634no he said it
635twice
636xezene - 03/16/2018
637haha jesus christ
638twice!
639pho - 03/16/2018
640it didnt register
641umirinos - 03/16/2018
642holy fuck i cant imagine someone actually telling me "eyes up here"
643id flip
644pho - 03/16/2018
645becausr I'm exhausted
646xezene - 03/16/2018
647this is fuckin unreal
648pho - 03/16/2018
649oh
650yeah
651did I mention he snapped his fingers
652Spicy Joker - 03/16/2018
653eyes up here :rolling_eyes:
654xezene - 03/16/2018
655lol yeah
656umirinos - 03/16/2018
657"you have eyes but where is your brain :hypethonk:"(edited)
658xezene - 03/16/2018
659my mind would be going like
660"excuse yourself times a million"
661pho - 03/16/2018
662after the second time
663I'm very obviously agitated and he takes his leave
664not from disrespect
665but the cat left
666xezene - 03/16/2018
667in his feeble little ego heart, he hates the cat
668Eclipsed - 03/16/2018
669;( cat
670nooo
671Spicy Joker - 03/16/2018
672tfw cat gets more attention than you
673eyes up here
674pho - 03/16/2018
675my cats get more attention than people I know
676xezene - 03/16/2018
677"gdi that cat got in between me and soulmate cycling partner"
678pho - 03/16/2018
679but yeah just
680interesting pho anecdote
681xezene - 03/16/2018
682phonomenal
683imo
684pho - 03/16/2018
685@Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡  I'm settled on 8w9 5w4 4w5 sp/sx, but would like to keep thread up for any other discussion
686xezene - 03/16/2018
687you know that batman vid you linked? well i just randomly switched to that tab and saw the comment "Even evil has standards." and then i remembered your story about this mofo w/ eyes up here and realize
688no
689evil doesnt have standards
690pho - 03/16/2018
691hence evil
692xezene - 03/16/2018
693lol
694great story
695AIGHT onto umi's now
696pho - 03/16/2018
697yee, thx x
698xezene - 03/16/2018
699np ~
700pho - 03/16/2018
701insightful as always
702xezene - 03/16/2018
703was fun
704thx!
705glad it helped
706pho - 03/16/2018
707it did
708heart fix was biggest issue
709xezene - 03/16/2018
710yeah, pretty sure 4w5
711Spicy Joker - 03/16/2018
712xezene always saves the day
713pho - 03/16/2018
714there's also some interesting back reading towards beginning if you have time or are interested
715xezene - 03/16/2018
716boss, u makin me blush
717cool, may check it out
718pho - 03/16/2018
719ye
720Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
721Okie, no problemo, it's only been up a few days pho haha, no worries :3
722Silver - 03/16/2018
723It’s only been up pho a few days :^)
724:point_right::point_right:
725Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/16/2018
726:thinkguns~1:
727pho - 03/27/2018
728@Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡  you can log this
729Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/27/2018
730Okies
731pho - 03/27/2018
7328w9 5w4 4w5 sp/sx
733Evo (✿◉‿◉)つ━━✫ ･ﾟ｡⋆*･ﾟ✲.♫･ﾟ｡ - 03/27/2018
734Sounds good :3
735I'll be avail in a couple hours
736pho - 03/27/2018
737:3
738thx
739Scirrus - 03/27/2018
740but wait
741i think ur 2w1 6w7 9w1
742pho - 03/27/2018
743:wow:
744Spicy Joker - 03/27/2018
745but wait 
746i think ur 3w2 7w6 1w2
747pho - 03/27/2018
748:wow2:
749Ling Ling - 03/27/2018
750ur so/sx tbh
751the bibble - 03/27/2018
752explain
753Ling Ling - 03/27/2018
754meme
755pho - 03/27/2018
756:triW:
757Spacey - 03/27/2018
758@pho do you still want me to read? I'll have some time tomorrow.
759pho - 03/27/2018
760@Spacey ye sure das fine
761Spacey - 03/27/2018
762I can just see if anything doesn't align with your typing for me?
763pho - 03/27/2018
764I forgot about your prior commitment :thuck:
765np
766Spacey - 03/27/2018
767Lolol
768I have my like only window of free time tomorrow lmao
769pho - 03/27/2018
770sle smh
771Spacey - 03/27/2018
772I gotta get some work done and pack, but I have bonus time.
773:sob:
774So excited
775pho - 03/27/2018
776:doggospasm:
777you can probably parse the q in about 10 mins but you're gonna want to analyze I'm guessing :thenkong:
778Spacey - 03/27/2018
779Yeah, no point in reading if I'm not gonna commit to it lol.
780pho - 03/27/2018
781:yes:
782pho - 03/28/2018
783@Spacey reminding you of commitment :spaceyirl:
784Spacey - 03/28/2018
785Ughhhhhhhh
786Y u gotta call me out?
787But yeah, I'll do it when I get to my friend's place later.
788pho - 03/28/2018
789:spaceyirl:
790thank :milliecat:
791Spacey - 03/28/2018
792but yeah, good you reminded me or I would have forgotten lolol
793pho - 03/28/2018
794I know
795Ling Ling - 03/28/2018
796i said i'd do urs a while ago and never really did, srry about that.
797yeah 8w9 is undeniable from what i understand of it, p much all ur answers about anger and dealing with conflict illustrate it. don't see any w7
798i think 4w5 is right for ur heart fix cuz of these things u said:
799Usually, I don't relate to others or even try
800
801On the real though, shame is pointless and self inhibiting.
802
803i got some 3 vibes at times but i think it's just the assertive quality of ur strong 8 core
804i agree with 5 fix, not sure about the wing based on the questionnaire. i mean, a w4 could say it but ur answer to question 18 sounds more like something a 5w6 would say
805hard to judge variants from this questionnaire but u seem so blind and sp/sx sounds right
806i suck at this but wanted to try anyway, if u have any questions i can try to answer
807pho - 03/28/2018
808thx bb
809xezene mentioned there was a noticeable darkness quality to my answers, like exhuming a corpse, and it all but eradicates 5w6
810sonyu - 03/28/2018
811"the dark" quality lol, i think is just sp/sx
812i mean im really close with 5w6 sp/sx and they're not really more "light" or less abstract than 5w4
813pho - 03/28/2018
814:thingken2:
815sonyu - 03/28/2018
816i said 5w6 because you focus quite a bit on things outside yourself, solving difficult situations, authority, other people and struggles with them. i didnt see any fixation on your own emotional world and understanding inner self like 5w4, they experience more anxiety related to their identity.
817Spacey - 03/28/2018
818I'm not really seeing anything that stands out as weird but I'm gonna keep reading.
819xezene - Last Friday at 4:45 PM
820yeah sp/sx is def responsible for more of the 'dark' or insular quality -- as well as 8w9. 8 paired with 5 usually produces a rather hardline realist take
8215w4 in general in my experience is more philosophical in its take, when you listen to them talk they will take these interesting little diversions into their highly personal way of thinking about something. momentary references to high concept stuff even when it doesnt directly relate(edited)
8225w6 seems less personal, more like they are referring to things they know in the world -- some of that is the 6 being more external and head-y than 4 when it looks for answers. more straightforward and understandable in the sense of more clear, 5w4 is referring to more personal things you cant see(edited)
823i am sure it could be debated for @pho  but at least to me i felt like his answers had a lot of little 5w4ish ticks to them(edited)