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2hey everybody thanks for tuning in once
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4again to dynasty lifestyle podcast
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6it is now episode 6 I'm pretty sure it's
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8episode 6 because we've been running so
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10fast so quickly got so many cool people
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12coming on sometimes I lose track of what
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14the episode is but I'm pretty sure it's
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16episode 6 so today we got a very special
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18guest coming all the way from Europe and
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20we'll let him introduce himself in a
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22moment and it's very interesting because
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24we're gonna touch on a couple topics and
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26your name is Patrick Chan we got Patrick
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28Chan here sorry what's your Chinese name
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30again my Chinese name is Tim there soon
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32in Hakka in Cantonese it's called a team
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34that's on duck song and in Mandarin this
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36turtle nice and is there any very
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38special meaning to your name well my
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40surname is Chan frog from the ancient
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42era it means listening to a kingdom in
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44the east actually it has a lot of
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46flowery stories to it am I my own name
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48Tommen is actually his benevolence and
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50yeah I think that that has good meaning
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52to it as well and my my middle name my
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54the second part the middle part of my
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56name is actually my brother Lee or
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58sister Lee ranking border which you you
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60find in the family tree and it's sort of
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62like pre pre destined actually that
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64certain generations must have certain
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66names it's nice in the family pockets
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68yeah nice
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70you mentioned benevolence which is
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72actually I think is really cool because
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74yeah I mean dynasty myself I think
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76you know we all kind of preach you know
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78benevolence and uh there's definitely
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80something that the world needs a bit
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82more of and I think martial arts is a
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84big part of that and bringing together
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86people and teaching them you know
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88respect but yeah let's let's start well
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90actually can you tell us just a quick
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92biography like who you are what you do
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94like just fill us in on a bit of that
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96and if you can speak up a bit that would
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98be great yeah sure sure born or raised
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100in the Netherlands some people call it
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102Holland which is not entirely correct
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104I'm a Hakka origin but I have a mixed
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106heritage from my mom's side which is
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108Jamaican American American part is
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110mostly non-existent I would guess I'm in
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112my plus $0.30 moments I have studied
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114information management finish that
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116working currently as a consultant and
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118I'm going to go forward with a family
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120business which is real estate nice and
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122yeah that's in a nutshell my yeah my
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124biography nice is Chinese people or
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126Chinese people buying up all the
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128property in the Netherlands as well well
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130the thing is actually they are quite
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132happy with it because they're really
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134doing a good job they're not buying up
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136all the property we have a lot of
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138Russians over here as well right and
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140seemingly seemingly the the the crisis
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142in Greece actually propelled a lot of
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144Greek millionaires to come over to North
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146Western Europe as well yeah it's it's
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148very interesting that I have you on here
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150on this show because you're the first
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152European person I'm you know
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154interviewing or you know have on this
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156podcast and you're gonna have a totally
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158different perspective on a lot of the
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160things why not kick it off with with
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162martial arts because that's that's the
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164backbone of you know dynasty that's the
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166backbone of this podcast and of course
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168you know that's how we got in touch
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170that's how we we came to be related to
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172one another through martial arts so why
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174don't you tell me about your martial
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176arts background sure I'll begin with
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178actually blind enthusiasm for for combat
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180sports in general and the arts and
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182basically I started off very early on
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184just mimicking movements I think I was
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186ten or something like like yeah twelve
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188and I could clearly but clearly some
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190interest in it I started off with
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192northern style wushu which was very
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194acrobatic hmm I liked it for what it was
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196but it for me it missed combat it missed
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198depth it means real-life situations
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200along the way I got introduced via fire
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202towards a group of seafoods actually
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204which which were from southern China and
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206living in the narrow from my pot yes
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208yeah okay yeah they all lived in
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210Netherlands well one is what is quite
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212specific one used to live in Netherlands
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214but at the time when I was he was my
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216Sifu he was one of my for seafood
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218actually which I'm very grateful of but
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220if you ever go to Germany Dusseldorf he
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222actually teaches combat to the German
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224police force actually legit and that's
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226yeah that's that's really something he's
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228rock on and he's like you know he's like
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230the old-fashioned sea booze who gives
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232you mouth booze but also lets you know
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234he gave me really good insights about
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236how and why and how stuff works so it's
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238a bit later but you started learning
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240like a combi style of Kung Fu is that
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242what you said from DC booze from well
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244and Sifu yes indeed definitely so what
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246did it what did what did he name it was
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248it was it a style was it just something
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250he created what was it his main
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252component is from fuck which is
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254hong-kyun and
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256and but which is which is the the Buddha
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258hat no yeah but the thing is he kept it
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260very he kept it very grounded he kept it
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262very grounded he says okay do these
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264parts for the art enjoy the art do the
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266art hmm but these parts is for raw
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268combat these parts are for raw combat
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270and it just really you go into combat
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272situations and it's like no-holds-barred
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274I guess that's them the right English
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276word to key to dress it to right which
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278means basically actually counter joint
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280kicking kicking in the growing and yeah
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282just do it for the win
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284yeah what are some key we were some key
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286moves out of this combat system that he
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288that he created so groin kicks what else
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290yep groin kicks is one and and basically
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292you know it's it's almost like train
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294watching through your opponent actually
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296you you you go and the mindset must be
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298you know you are protecting yourself and
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300your loved ones
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302you know you will fight differently if
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304it's for a title for a tournament then
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306if you would say if if your your family
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308is under threat yes the combat psyche is
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310different and so yeah he also taught me
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312that actually you know you must look at
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314a situation if your family's on the
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316threat you will do anything to really
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318get the potent down and if you're
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320fighting a tournament you're sparring
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322it's it's a different feeling absolutely
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324you bring up a great point I'm about to
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326go go into it for a second a lot of
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328people who train martial arts they
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330forget that they forget the reality side
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332of it you know a lot of people train
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334martial arts they're not able to bring
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336themselves mentally to a state where
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338they need to use that martial art in
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340real life in a real life situation in
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342reality if somebody is attacking them on
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344the street or if somebody is harming one
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346of their loved ones or their family
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348or whatever or somebody's breaking into
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350their house you know they have to react
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352quickly and they have to punish that
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354person swiftly and they have to
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356basically you know diffuse the situation
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358as quick as possible so a lot of people
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360without combat training you know the
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362people that just do martial arts for the
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364art just do martial arts for the forms
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366just do martial art for the sparring but
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368they don't think of it in terms of okay
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370life and death like I really gonna have
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372to do this to you in a real-life
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374situation like I have to break your
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376fingers I have to you know you know
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378crush your genitals I have to you know
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380yeah you know take my take my fingers
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382and and and basically grab your eye
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384socket and try and pull your eye
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386eyeballs out just to get you to stop
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388whatever that you're doing a lot of
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390people are not in touch with the reality
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392side of the martial arts they just go
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394through the movements they go through
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396the self-defense kind of movements you
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398know and they think that okay that's
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400enough you know like I you know I'm a
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402killer you know I I I you know I am able
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404to beat anybody now but that's not true
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406because you know doing it in a sport
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408environment it's completely different
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410than okay somebody breaking into your
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412house and you know you're you you have
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414to deal with that person you know
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416immediately right then and there at that
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418moment you have to drop everything and
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420you have to try and kill this person
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422because if you don't try and kill this
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424person guess what this person might kill
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426you or might injure you for life so
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428definitely anybody listening to this
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430yeah you definitely should get in touch
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432with the reality side of martial arts
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434and even to bridge it further you know
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436even to bridge it further drills are not
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438enough you know I find that drilling is
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440not simply not enough because people get
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442into a comfort zone when they drill
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444they're like drilling with their partner
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446oh yeah yeah I kicked the guy you know I
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448trained I trained this move like a
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450thousand times I kicked this guy in the
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452groin a thousand times well guess what
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454now do it in a live situation when the
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456guy is moving and the guy is resisting
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458and the guy is fighting back you know so
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460the number one thing is you have to do
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462it in a live situation you have to
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464live sparring you know and like
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466realistic you know not like holding back
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468or anything like that you know realistic
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470so that's why we you know goes into the
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472whole kung-fu thing and and I'm gonna
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474use jujitsu as an example the reason why
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476I'm gonna use its jujitsu as an example
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478because jujitsu is one of those martial
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480arts I would say quite possibly the only
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482martial art I mean correct me if I'm
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484wrong but quite possibly one of the very
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486few martial arts on planet earth where
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488you're able to spar with your partner at
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490full you know realism right 100% speed
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492100% strength and you're able to not
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494hurt each other while you're doing it so
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496that's actually what makes jujitsu so
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498great is because it's so close to
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500reality you know is so close to real
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502life fighting but you won't hurt each
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504other because you top out and that's it
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506so so that's over that means like you
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508killed me so that's what makes jujitsu
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510great is because you can train in
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512reality every single day and you you're
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514not gonna hurt each other whereas if
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516let's say you're doing a striking
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518martial art or you're doing some form of
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520kung fu if you try to do it full contact
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522you can't do it every day cuz you're
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524gonna hurt yourself right you're gonna
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526bang your shin on the guy's elbow you're
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528gonna hit each other in the face you're
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530gonna bleed you can scratch yourself
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532you're gonna get a concussion that stuff
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534cannot be done at a hundred percent
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536realism full speed full power every
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538single day you can maybe do that like
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540once a week you know to keep your body
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542intact you know you keep keep your brain
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544intact but that's one of the real big
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546advantages that jiu-jitsu has and that's
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548honestly the reason why a lot of people
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550you know gravitate towards you Jitsu
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552because it's very realistic and they
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554feel like sort of the old traditional
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556martial arts or the old kind of Chinese
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558martial art systems are very much out of
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560touch with that they they they focus on
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562a lot of four
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564they focus on a lot of techniques they
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566focus a lot of drills focus on very very
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568minimal sparring I would say like
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570minimal realistic sparring you know so
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572the the you know it comes into a point
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574where okay a lot of the training that
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576you do becomes out of touch with reality
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578so you have guys that train 10 years
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580coming for 20 years kung fu whatever
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582kung fu style it is right but
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584realistically have they fought with a
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586resisting opponent hundred percent gold
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588compliant opponent yeah not a compliant
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590opponent no they've spent very very
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592little time actually doing that so I
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594mean in comparison with say jiu-jitsu
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596guy for example and I'm just using
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598jiu-jitsu as an example but you can use
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600any other example as well wrestlers who
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602train realism you know realistic
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604wrestling all the time you know more
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606Thai fighters who train realistic more
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608time more brawn you know so a lot of
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610people are out of touch with the reality
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612so you know so so it's interesting that
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614you said you did some nets as some Sifu
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616in the Netherlands who who actually are
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618preaching that so tell me a little bit
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620more about that well I'll start - - you
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622know one set a story if you enjoy the
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624art please enjoy the art please enjoy
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626the performance do that it's called -
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628its tradition do that for one specific
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630isolated part that's what my seep also
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632says you know he eats as well if you if
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634you don't think that this is highly
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636applicable see it as a component of
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638mm-hmm and you know usually usually I
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640make the distinguishment between for
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642example I also besides martial arts I'd
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644also do squash I think some people call
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646it racquetball maybe in the US
64715:15
648mm-hmm but I do squash and you you
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650squash you do with a racket it's like
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652tennis and then you also badminton and
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654you also have a ping-pong you know and
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656you cannot put a ping-pong person
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658against a tennis person right just like
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660you cannot put a Tai Chi person against
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662the MMA person right you get that
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664analogy yeah yeah absolutely
66515:35
666no you that there's funny that you
66715:37
668mentioned Tai Chi and an MMA person this
66915:39
670is I have not talked about yeah big big
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672incident so let's talk about it right
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674now what what is your take on that for
67515:49
676those who don't know what the incident
67715:50
678was so there's apparently there's this
67915:53
680Chinese mm-make person who retired from
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682doing MMA but he he claims that he
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684changed ever mayne everything he was in
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686China he challenged you know some
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688Chinese martial arts masters saying kung
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690fu sucks and stuff like that so this you
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692know this fake Tai Chi master guy got on
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694board and he got knocked out in ten
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696seconds and you know after you did a
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698little bit of more research on this
69916:16
700Taiji guy you realized this Taiji guy's
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702not even really a Taiji guy he like you
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704know self trained innocently
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706he self promoted himself as a Tai Chi
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708master he went on a Chinese TV show and
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710like did a stupid Qigong trick where he
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712taped the tape the birds feet to his
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714palm so so the bird wouldn't fly away
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716and demonstrating fucking like fake ass
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718Qigong and shit so that's the thing that
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720gets me pissed off right that's the
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722thing that gets me riled up is because
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724Chinese people they do this to
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726themselves like they they're so in love
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728with the traditional Chinese culture
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730that like there's nothing wrong with
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732loving the Chinese traditional culture
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734but when you love it and then you take
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736something that's not real and you and
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738you take something that's fake and then
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740you promote it you know on national
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742television or whatever that TV show was
74317:08
744you promote it in the Chinese community
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746that like hey this tai chi chi-gong
74717:12
748stuff really is real and i'm not saying
74917:15
750like the internal chico martial art like
75117:18
752that's real like the internal chi gong
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754martial art of hardening your body and
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756taking strikes and stuff like that that
75717:23
758stuff's all real like you go on youtube
75917:25
760search it up on videos you'll see real
76117:27
762stuff people performing real stuff okay
76317:30
764I'm not talking about the real stuff I'm
76517:31
766talking about when people are faking it
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768they they're taking something and
76917:35
770they're doing magic tricks with it and
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772they're tricking people into believing
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774that hey with Tai Chi training you know
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776you can you can you know get this bird
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778not to not fly away from your hand like
77917:44
780that stuff that bullshit like it is the
78117:47
782type of type of stuff that
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784no mixed Chinese people look bad you
78517:51
786know and it's bad that you know these
78717:54
788fake Tai Chi master guys are promoting
78917:57
790this kind of stuff and people are
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792falling for it so in a way when this
79318:02
794Chinese MMA guy stepped up and and and
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796and knocked this dude out in ten seconds
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798I was happy because I'm like yo this
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800guy's fake anyways you know what I mean
80118:11
802this guy's fake expose him right and
80318:14
804wake people up I thought okay it's been
80518:18
806a long time coming to be honest I I
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808thought this stuff should have been done
80918:22
81010 years ago 20 years ago I'm like
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812Chinese people need to wake up that this
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814this BS doesn't work so you know for for
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816him to come in and knock him out I feel
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818like that's doing the community a
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820service so anyway give me your two cents
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822on it well I think it's indeed doing a
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824community service actually and they
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826should have been done a long time ago I
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828think we also have a famous worldly know
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830martial artist called Bruce Lee who also
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832did that but my take on it actually
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834really this Tai Chi guy he was if he do
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836is the statue he stands was actually
83718:59
838traditional mantis actually and exactly
83919:02
840that's not tacky so you're not gonna
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842fool me with that you know I see that
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844and it's it's also the stepping wise you
84519:08
846know you're not used to having straight
84719:10
848punches coming lunged at you it's it's
84919:14
850very weird you know I my mom my martial
85119:18
852training also has a view deviations I
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854did capoeira a little bit of Aikido
85519:25
856while I was in Hong Kong I was I was
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858also doing MMA and also doing Thai
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860boxing and you know once you get a
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862straight straight punch and it's like
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864okay you know you need to use different
86519:39
866tactics mm-hmm nice you visited Hong
86719:42
868Kong before did it to the Tai Chi yeah
86919:45
870yeah frequently I'm going back within
87119:47
872now and you have your family there
87319:51
874but the thing is I have plenty of family
87519:54
876in Southeast Asia and South China
87719:58
878especially yeah put it this way yeah
87920:00
880sorry not to deviate from from what
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882you're saying but yeah go back to the
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884Tai Chi thing ya know that the Tai Chi
88520:07
886guy you know he got what he deserved
88720:08
888basically got what he deserved and he
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890made you know if you are legit
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892you know trained trained as such you
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894know and I really how do you say I like
89520:21
896the fact that there was a Chinese MMA
89720:22
898guide I was doing this you know so you
89920:24
900know besides the fact that he keeps
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902everything in check put it this way man
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904it's also the wake-up call like okay
90520:34
906saying okay you cannot pull off this
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908shit you know cannot tell you that
90920:37
910you're invincible have a forcefield yeah
91120:39
912and have those fairy tale stories in in
91320:41
914current day world you know yeah martial
91520:44
916arts ass has to evolve you know I know
91720:49
918because at this moment I'm I am also
91920:54
920doing kung fu again with my old Sifu
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922that was one of the foresee was actually
92320:59
924one who stayed in Netherlands he's quite
92521:01
926close to me yeah and I study a martial
92721:04
928art which is called in Cantonese more
92921:08
930cartoon oh my gosh okay one of this yeah
93121:12
932it's very rare and I like the kicking
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934techniques because it's only southern
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936style which has diverse kicking
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938techniques compared to the northern
93921:20
940styles that has like acrobatics and
94121:21
942stuff I see these has the vicious low
94321:24
944kicks and vicious like also yeah kicks
94521:29
946that crumble the opponent's toes and
94721:32
948cetera you know it's like stomping also
94921:34
950yeah and interesting it's quite
95121:37
952interesting but in any case yeah the Tai
95321:41
954Chi guy you know he lost and it's it's
95521:45
956like you know you can tell you know but
95721:48
958by the way stands yeah and it's like you
95921:51
960know I already predicted that you is
96121:53
962going to lose somehow before I saw the
96321:56
964fight actually right and you know you
96521:58
966know the other interesting thing about
96721:59
968this and you mentioned just now like oh
96922:02
970I'm glad it was like a
97122:04
972I'm a fighter who did it and it and and
97322:06
974and it's interesting because here's
97522:09
976here's how people would have viewed it
97722:10
978if it wasn't a Chinese MMA fighter who
97922:12
980did it if it was like a foreigner guy
98122:15
982like a foreigner MMA guy who did it
98322:18
984then it would be a completely like it
98522:21
986would be taken completely differently
98722:22
988from the Chinese community it would be
98922:24
990like oh you know foreigner you know
99122:27
992arrogant foreigner or arrogant American
99322:30
994foreigner or whatever you know coming
99522:33
996into Chinese society and trying to
99722:35
998disrespect Chinese martial arts and
99922:36
1000trying to disrespect Chinese people like
100122:38
1002we're gonna fight back and we're gonna
100322:40
1004beat them down you know I mean and and I
100522:43
1006totally get that from a historical
100722:45
1008standpoint from a cultural standpoint I
100922:46
1010totally understand like if you're like a
101122:49
1012proud Chinese person in China if
101322:51
1014somebody did that to you
101522:53
1016like yeah it would bring up all the
101722:56
1018thoughts you know in in recent history
101922:58
1020they'd be like oh yeah we have to you
102123:00
1022know show that Chinese martial arts is
102323:01
1024strong so we're gonna send our best to
102523:03
1026like challenge him back that type of
102723:05
1028thing but because a Chinese and the make
102923:08
1030I did it it was almost like okay guys
103123:12
1032like this has nothing to do with the
103323:15
1034foreigner thing it has nothing to do
103523:17
1036with you know skin color race ethnicity
103723:21
1038nothing like that this is literally
103923:23
1040about martial arts so if you're mark if
104123:28
1042you're traditional Chinese martial law
104323:30
1044doesn't work in a real-life combat
104523:32
1046situation then you really gotta think
104723:33
1048about you gotta think about okay am I
104923:37
1050still gonna teach this stuff or or do
105123:39
1052people still want to learn this stuff
105323:40
1054and that's the part that I thought was
105523:42
1056very positive and in this situation that
105723:46
1058I felt was very satisfying because it
105923:48
1060was another Chinese guy that did it
106123:50
1062there there's none of that like Oh
106323:53
1064Japanese karate master came and
106523:56
1066challenged no Chinese khufu and stuff
106723:57
1068like that you know all that stuff in the
106923:59
1070movies and then and you know TV shows us
107124:01
1072something that there's there's none of
107324:03
1074that sort of wartime element going on
107524:05
1076with that situation so it was very very
107724:07
1078clear to the Chinese community hopefully
107924:10
1080that they're gonna wake up and be like
108124:12
1082hey you know let's let's not
108324:17
1084you know following the footsteps of
108524:19
1086these frauds yeah you know that the
108724:23
1088thing is that there there have been a
108924:25
1090lot of masters who are unchecked and you
109124:27
1092know that with the kungfu craze of the
109324:29
109470s you know lots of people grew in that
109524:32
1096era well there was nobody actually
109724:36
1098checking them like what is your what are
109924:38
1100your credentials I know what masters
110124:41
1102have you study you know I must give you
110324:43
1104credit to Japanese you know that they
110524:44
1106have the belt system for what it is I
110724:47
1108know you cannot put too much emphasize
110924:49
1110on a put a belt system you at least know
111124:51
1112ok he has yes you should have ran
111324:56
1114through a few academic steps to get the
111524:59
1116belt which right he earn right which is
111725:02
1118which is legit to that extent what I
111925:05
1120really hate for example is nowadays
112125:06
1122current days you see 10 year olds well
112325:10
1124you like though which suits the the the
112525:12
1126value again yeah you know yeah yeah
112725:15
1128absolutely so originally it was it was a
112925:18
1130good thing like belts meant something
113125:20
1132and then now belts don't mean anything
113325:22
1134but again it goes back to why jujitsu is
113525:25
1136good like highlighting you know other
113725:27
1138martial arts again also highlights what
113925:30
1140was so good about jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu
114125:32
1142belt systems right now are kept in check
114325:36
1144it within the within the jiu-jitsu
114525:39
1146community it's very much kept in check
114725:40
1148because of its high what's what's the
114925:46
1150what's the word I'm looking for because
115125:48
1152of the number of competitions okay
115325:51
1154because there's a very yeah there's a
115525:54
1156very healthy amount of competition
115725:57
1158between you know jiu-jitsu schools and
115926:00
1160jiu-jitsu community and stuff like that
116126:02
1162so there's a lot of tournaments always
116326:03
1164happening so when you go in there and
116526:05
1166you know people don't want to lose face
116726:07
1168they don't want to lose like you know
116926:09
1170they don't wanna be embarrassed so they
117126:12
1172are gonna be extra hard on their
117326:14
1174students you know if you're a blue belt
117526:15
1176then I make sure you have at least had
117726:17
1178two three years of training before I
117926:19
1180even give you blue bell right if you're
118126:21
1182a purple belt like I make sure you're
118326:23
1184really really good before I even
118526:25
1186consider you purple belt right so that's
118726:27
1188a good thing so it makes the belt straw
118926:31
1190and it makes the belts mean something
119126:32
1192and you know that's a good thing that
119326:35
1194that's a shih-tzu is holding on to
119526:37
1196but of course with time you know I'm
119726:39
1198sure with time you're gonna get people
119926:42
1200that are gonna water down some of their
120126:45
1202belts at some point and you know there's
120326:48
1204there's always fake people and posers
120526:50
1206within certain martial arts communities
120726:52
1208but that's gonna happen so yeah so you
120926:57
1210so let's let's bring it back you you
121127:00
1212said you trained like a bit of wushu you
121327:03
1214said you trained ma-kun yeah you said
121527:06
1216you trained what other style was that
121727:08
1218again I forgot home fuck home but home
121927:14
1220buddies yeah and fuck right okay
122127:19
1222yeah it's it's it's a quite widespread
122327:24
1224hybrid outside of South China actually
122527:27
1226and well he we have quite a few number
122727:33
1228of schools actually which all right
122927:36
1230again you know I it's it's it's it is
123127:41
1232beyond my my idea that I should know I
123327:45
1234should not really cling on to a style
123527:47
1236because also more cocoon the way I study
123727:50
1238it to give you an insight it was
123927:53
1240firstly aimed as a military kind of
124127:56
1242style actually sake you just legs and it
124328:00
1244has also joined break don't break
124528:05
1246techniques the thing is actually what I
124728:08
1248find weird is you don't hit the head of
124928:11
1250the opponent ah Sifu why don't you hit
125128:14
1252the head yes you know like a good punch
125328:16
1254could knock him out and he says well you
125528:19
1256should hit the head but I'm training
125728:20
1258here is actually the the traditional
125928:24
1260style which which you should how do you
126128:27
1262say train for this but but also train
126328:30
1264for the real life situations and the
126528:31
1266thing is he's being ripped very
126728:33
1268realistic about this yeah the reason why
126928:36
1270you don't hit the head in the old age is
127128:38
1272because he had a helmet on armour on and
127328:41
1274so you train in a very traditional way
127528:43
1276the
127728:44
1278that you should wrap the helmet and and
127928:46
1280you know just break the neck with the
128128:50
1282helmet fastened yeah so so that's that's
128328:56
1284that's the thing you know it looks quite
128528:58
1286cool once it's executed but then you
128729:01
1288start again when I was younger I said as
128929:03
1290the asking questions like why don't you
129129:05
1292just hit the guy's face
129329:07
1294you know man says well you should hit
129529:09
1296the guy's face we also will train for
129729:11
1298that but here you train the the the part
129929:14
1300which is traditional which is like he
130129:16
1302has a helmet on what are you gonna do
130329:18
1304about that exactly that is the thing and
130529:21
1306and well so I really a different shape
130729:26
1308between the fact that I do the
130929:28
1310traditionals and I love the traditionals
131129:30
1312its form its aesthetic it's nice fluid
131329:34
1314but and I also do do combat and and
131529:38
1316really we have Wing Chun guy who's quite
131729:41
1318rooted in Wing Chun I do frequent
131929:44
1320sparring with him even though he doesn't
132129:46
1322like me using legs man that's quite a
132329:48
1324thing I have a guy it's the same cool
132529:50
1326place who does Tong Soto Tong shadow is
132729:54
1328like the Korean martial yes like I think
132929:57
1330they really really have a lot of things
133129:59
1332which they put on that style which made
133330:01
1334it like to abundance they even use
133530:04
1336nunchucks and nunchucks it from from my
133730:06
1338perspective is quite unknown within the
133930:09
1340Korean style actually because all the
134130:11
1342cream styles mmm it's more of a sudden
134330:14
1344Okinawa Filipino or maybe even even in
134530:17
1346the old ages in the fields in China yeah
134730:20
1348it's not definitely not a northern thing
134930:22
1350nunchucks no no no it's not yeah it's
135130:26
1352very southern for sure yeah
135330:29
1354very subtle yeah the thing is you know I
135530:31
1356keep myself through it with it within
135730:34
1358one part do the traditions for the for
135930:38
1360the sense of art and do the raw combat
136130:41
1362for the sense of raw karma you know you
136330:43
1364need to get used to being you know
136530:46
1366getting straight punches and getting
136730:47
1368hard low kicks you know it's like yeah
136930:50
1370this is like me me getting a yeah
137130:54
1372getting a really spicy meal you know I
137330:56
1374love it it's grueling
137530:57
1376but I love it you know ya know it's good
137731:00
1378that you mentioned that you know I think
137931:02
1380it's beneficial for people to get a
138131:03
1382balance sometimes so I just I'll just
138331:07
1384make a point here a lot of people who
138531:09
1386train the combat are so a lot of people
138731:10
1388who trained you know jiu-jitsu full-time
138931:12
1390that type of thing actually sometimes
139131:15
1392may be damaging their body too much they
139331:18
1394are because they're constantly training
139531:20
1396the full-contact styles you know
139731:23
1398constantly constantly doing doing the
139931:25
1400heavy damage to their body you know it
140131:28
1402get injured so because your body is
140331:31
1404fragile is it's not gonna last forever
140531:33
1406your body so a lot of people they don't
140731:36
1408understand that it needs a balance
140931:37
1410sometimes so even for myself you know I
141131:40
1412mean I don't necessarily seek out
141331:42
1414traditional martial arts training and
141531:44
1416train them traditional martial arts
141731:45
1418right now but you know I came from a
141931:48
1420traditional martial arts base so I
142131:49
1422totally understand what you're saying
142331:51
1424and I also understand like the need for
142531:54
1426a balance like you can't go hard hard
142731:57
1428hard all the time
142931:58
1430so you know I take it easy sometimes I
143132:01
1432take it soft I play around with the
143332:03
1434technique sometimes I play around with
143532:05
1436possibilities right I think about things
143732:07
1438a little bit and I try to have fun with
143932:10
1440it in the training I try to have fun and
144132:11
1442then when I'm having fun in training
144332:13
1444that's when I lose lose myself and then
144532:15
1446you know I'm I'm not worrying about
144732:17
1448anything else I'm just in that moment
144932:19
1450and I'm training for fun and everything
145132:22
1452just seems to be fun to me and sometimes
145332:25
1454people need to understand that as well
145532:26
1456you know you know it's not always
145732:28
1458life-and-death you know inside the gym
145932:31
1460inside the on the mat you know some
146132:35
1462people they take it too far you know
146332:37
1464some people like they train full-time
146532:38
1466and they're thinking about okay I'm
146732:40
1468gonna I'm gonna be the next UFC champion
146932:42
1470or something like that and they go super
147132:45
1472hard on their training partners and
147332:46
1474basically they act like a douche bag
147532:48
1476because every single time you do the
147732:51
1478technique with them or every single time
147932:52
1480you spar with them they're just going to
148132:54
1482hundred percent to try to break your
148332:56
1484neck
148532:56
1486you know I mean is a little bit too much
148732:58
1488for the rest of us who are not training
148933:00
1490you know performing for the rest of us
149133:02
1492who who are not trying to become the
149333:04
1494next UFC champion you know we don't need
149533:05
1496a
149733:06
1498connect the next morning you don't mean
149933:07
1500we don't need a we'll need a broken
150133:09
1502elbow the next morning you know we can
150333:11
1504train 7080 percent effort right
150533:14
1506sometimes a hundred percent we're okay
150733:16
1508with that as long as we're getting
150933:17
1510better and our name we're practicing our
151133:20
1512techniques and we're having fun that's
151333:22
1514all that matters so I think a lot of
151533:23
1516people lose in touch with the fun part I
151733:25
1518don't want to say a lot of people but I
151933:27
1520would say some people lose in touch with
152133:30
1522the fun part of martial are you supposed
152333:31
1524to enjoy it you're not supposed to do it
152533:35
1526and then kill yourself doing it so yeah
152733:39
1528balancing the the the TNA kind of you
152933:42
1530know training it for the art training it
153133:45
1532for the forms and then also the combat
153333:47
1534sports side you know even just taking it
153533:49
1536a little bit easy on the combat sports
153733:51
1538side it makes a lot of sense so well you
153933:54
1540mentioned actually home home kun for for
154133:57
1542people who don't know home kun is
154333:58
1544actually the style made famous well I
154534:00
1546don't know if I don't know if I should
154734:02
1548say made famous but I don't go out on a
154934:06
1550limb and say it with made famous by
155134:07
1552won't fail well he was one of the the
155334:13
1554main characters within that lineage yeah
155534:15
1556veno means obviously Chinese folk hero
155734:18
1558so yeah and he used the honking style as
155934:22
1560well ya know I'll give you a bit of a
156134:28
1562sidestep actually his wife is called Mok
156334:32
1564Whelan and she is the main proponent or
156534:34
1566the main person in lineage for more
156734:36
1568cartoon action
156934:38
1570[Music]
157134:40
1572interesting yeah that's where it comes
157334:42
1574from
157534:42
1576yes so it's like it's interesting
157734:46
1578because you know a lot of people don't
157934:47
1580realize this and I probably went into
158134:49
1582this a little bit before but doesn't
158334:50
1584matter within China itself you know
158534:55
1586because China is such a huge place
158734:56
1588people don't know this China is such a
158934:58
1590huge place with so many different
159135:01
1592ethnicities with so many different
159335:03
1594provinces with so many different cities
159535:04
1596anywhere you go is like a different part
159735:07
1598of the country and it feels like it's
159935:09
1600it's it's its own ecosystem and it's not
160135:11
1602in itself so when people say oh you know
160335:15
1604Mme you should train him in May an
160535:18
1606amazing new thing not really because if
160735:20
1608you go back thousands of years in China
160935:22
1610within China itself that was the world
161135:25
1612so you have people doing southern
161335:28
1614Chinese kung-fu styles you have people
161535:30
1616doing home curd you had people doing
161735:32
1618home or Cocker you have people doing
161935:34
1620whatever bagua Chan and then she each an
162135:37
1622and this and Don listen that back then
162335:39
1624that was ever made like if I you know
162535:42
1626travel to the south and I sparred this
162735:45
1628kung fu master and I picked up a
162935:46
1630technique here there you know I mean and
163135:48
1632then and then I went to the north and
163335:50
1634then I learned this you know technique
163535:52
1636here and there and then I mix it into my
163735:54
1638own style and to try and beat other
163935:55
1640people that was anime but within within
164135:58
1642the Chinese ecosystem you know I mean
164336:00
1644that was MMA so they were mixing up
164536:03
1646those styles even even way back then so
164736:06
1648which would you want to add something
164936:08
1650extra yeah just just to add something
165136:10
1652extra to it is because in the old days
165336:13
1654before the before the the the the eight
165536:17
1656Nations alliance and all the colonists
165736:19
1658came they actually had had a lot of
165936:22
1660these but they had tournaments the thing
166136:25
1662is actually the basics of Chinese
166336:27
1664martial arts as a mindset is to protect
166536:30
1666yourself but for tournaments these
166736:33
1668styles needed to be applicable towards
166936:35
1670aggressive attack mmm the thing was that
167136:37
1672if you are if you're participating in a
167336:39
1674tournament you basically sign a deaf
167536:41
1676I've said that worin yeah yeah yeah
167736:46
1678that's what you sign actually yeah
167936:48
1680that's the winner of these tournaments
168136:49
1682usually
168336:51
1684lost an eye or lost a limb winner has
168536:55
1686lost something you know yeah and because
168736:57
1688because the these in the in the old days
168937:00
1690because these fights were so brutal and
169137:05
1692then the colonists came that they say oh
169337:08
1694yeah we we might want to introduce
169537:10
1696boxing because we use gloves and it's a
169737:12
1698bit more civilized but this way yeah but
169937:15
1700in the end werewolves moving towards I
170137:19
1702think it will be eventually towards the
170337:21
1704more brutal martial arts at which there
170537:23
1706is ripping
170737:24
1708there's tearing there's pulling there is
170937:27
1710jamming in where is for example III
171137:30
1712might want to ask you as a martial arts
171337:33
1714towards a martial artist have you ever
171537:35
1716tried as a how to say as a technique
171737:39
1718when should encounter somebody to
171937:42
1720basically spit into somebody's face
172137:46
1722have I ever spat in anybody's face I
172337:49
1724don't think so I can't recall it be I
172537:51
1726can't recall ever doing that but I just
172737:55
1728put it I just put it this way yeah the
172937:57
1730thing is in the end it's about winning
173138:00
1732the match and and really go into combat
173338:03
1734with whatever means to win actually and
173538:06
1736no III agree with that I agree with that
173738:09
1738if there was ever a situation you know
173938:11
1740where somebody attacked me or whatever
174138:14
1742yeah no it's it's anything goes yeah I
174338:17
1744would spit in his face to to to get him
174538:19
1746you know distracted in some way and then
174738:20
1748punch him right in the throat you mean I
174938:22
1750was fiddling are yo spinners face and
175138:24
1752then I put my left hand out to gauge the
175338:27
1754distance and then throw right cause
175538:29
1756right right into his jaw or right into a
175738:31
1758stroke you know I'll try and aim for the
175938:33
1760throat basically but yeah anything goes
176138:37
1762once the trigger goes you know it's on
176338:39
1764and then you know exactly yeah beyond
176538:42
1766the art part but it's it's raw comedy it
176738:45
1768was ugly it looks not artsy there's no
176938:48
1770fluid movement it's basically beating
177138:50
1772the person down and winning the game
177338:52
1774that's it exactly and interesting you
177538:55
1776brought some of that history up let's
177738:56
1778let's get into that a bit because you
177938:59
1780you struck me as a very knowledgeable
178139:01
1782guy about Chinese history in
178339:04
1784world history and stuff like that which
178539:05
1786is why I wanted to bring you on to this
178739:08
1788podcast so let's get into that
178939:10
1790so being Chinese and living in Europe
179139:13
1792how is how is it like and let me know
179339:17
1794how come there's a southern Chinese
179539:20
1796community in in the Netherlands can you
179739:23
1798can you touch on that well to start with
179939:27
1800you know the thing is my heritage is
180139:30
1802Hakka Chinese in the old days we used to
180339:32
1804be how to say nobility of the Tang
180539:35
1806Dynasty we went southwards and further
180739:37
1808southwards and we waged some wars
180939:40
1810against the the corrupt governments at
181139:42
1812that time we lost and we need to scatter
181339:45
1814all the way around that's why my
181539:46
1816heritage is a bit mixed but I in the end
181739:49
1818I still look very Chinese I guess but
181939:51
1820the thing is yeah how it became how we
182139:56
1822got over here to the Netherlands is
182339:58
1824because a lot of the the Chinese because
182540:02
1826of the 200 years basically of poverty of
182740:05
1828China that they were scattering all all
182940:09
1830all over Asia and further on beyond that
183140:11
1832even the thing was for example yes just
183340:17
1834plainly put generalizing Cantonese were
183540:19
1836already in in Hong Kong mostly yeah yeah
183740:23
1838they were already like the the the
183940:26
1840fisherman's that they had the fertile
184140:28
1842ground set a good grounds and over here
184340:32
1844they had a fertile grounds in hong kong
184540:34
1846in the areas so the hawk does have to
184740:36
1848move on or state some state by the way
184940:39
1850that's that's where part of my family is
185140:41
1852in South China but the thing is some
185340:44
1854went as far to Caribbean because they
185540:46
1856needed workers they needed and those
185740:49
1858were the people who are blacks that they
185940:51
1860have worked the fields and the whites
186140:53
1862were the owners of the of the in the old
186340:56
1864days they were the owners of these
186540:57
1866fields and they also need people who had
186741:00
1868technology to grow crops and to
186941:03
1870administer all these things and that's
187141:05
1872where the Chinese were very handy and
187341:07
1874sometimes they were also used as art
187541:09
1876labor yeah these were the old days you
187741:12
1878know and that's why a lot of Chinese
187941:15
1880came to the Caribbean around what time a
188141:19
1882lot more reasons but around what time I
188341:22
1884think it was during the time when the
188541:25
1886the opium war was was going on in China
188741:29
1888was already bleeding empty actually
188941:31
1890leaving empty of all their their money
189141:34
1892in their possessions and whatever you
189341:36
1894know 18 million 1919 12 I I think I
189541:41
1896think it's eighteen eighteen fifty
189741:44
1898onwards I guess Wow okay I see but there
189941:49
1900are a lot of a lot of Caribbean Chinese
190141:52
1902actually and the thing was actually a
190341:54
1904fire fire an uncle my father landed in
190541:59
1906the serene and it's South America and
190742:02
1908some the the top ledge of South America
190942:04
1910and he I started working over there
191142:08
1912there were shops and there was a
191342:10
1914thriving me micro community of a
191542:13
1916thriving micro economy but it was
191742:15
1918thriving what's really driving and along
191942:18
1920the way well I think it was the
192142:21
19221970-something surname had their their
192342:25
1924struggle well not a struggle for
192542:26
1926independence they actually the thing was
192742:28
1928they wanted independence and they got
192942:31
1930independence from the Netherlands so
193142:33
1932people had either had a choice stay and
193342:35
1934become a surname national oh go to that
193542:40
1936go to the Netherlands and become Dutch
193742:42
1938oh so that was a Dutch colony no I said
193942:46
1940that's call me yeah okay yeah I was
194142:48
1942thinking perspectives everywhere right
194342:50
1944because I was wondering way with my wait
194542:52
1946a second why are you talking about South
194742:53
1948America okay okay now I get it
194942:56
1950yeah yeah and we need multiple podcasts
195143:02
1952you to really explain yeah yeah no
195343:03
1954worries we can get off with the basics
195543:05
1956yeah so how come there's us how come how
195743:09
1958come there's a Hong Kong community in in
195943:12
1960the Netherlands like the only reason why
196143:15
1962I know this is because not that I've
196343:18
1964been to Netherlands but the only reason
196543:20
1966why I know this is do you know what I
196743:23
1968and dangerous ah yes of course yeah yeah
196943:28
1970young and Dane
197143:28
1972serene okay for people who don't know
197343:31
1974what I'm talking about young and
197543:32
1976dangerous is a Hong Kong comic book
197743:34
1978series I was very popular it talked
197943:37
1980about it followed the lives of a group
198143:41
1982of friends who joined the Chinese triads
198343:43
1984and then they make it up to the ranks
198543:44
1986and you know it's very very heroic and
198743:47
1988glorifying of like triad you know
198943:49
1990culture and stuff like that but you know
199143:51
1992very popular and they got turned into a
199343:53
1994movie series and I'm talking about young
199543:55
1996and dangerous three when guys from you
199743:59
1998long part of the New Territories part of
199944:01
2000Hong Kong they had family in Netherlands
200144:05
2002and there's Chinese triads and
200344:06
2004Netherlands so I'm wondering where did
200544:08
2006that come from
200744:09
2008I'll explain that to you the thing was
200944:12
2010actually the Netherlands has been always
201144:15
2012been very liberal with it had drugs with
201344:18
2014their prostitution also its use and
201544:20
2016easier with gays I'll tell you one
201744:23
2018shocking part for let's say the black
201944:26
2020community in the u.s. is you know the
202144:28
2022blacks over here
202344:29
2024they had voting right the moment they
202544:32
2026had acquired a Dutch passport and they
202744:34
2028had full full rights as a normal that
202944:36
2030person that was since 1910 I would say
203144:40
2032you know so the black struggle in the
203344:42
2034u.s. about the segregation and and all
203544:44
2036the other racism was non-existent over
203744:47
2038here mmm it was like you know the blacks
203944:50
2040over here they were like hey what's
204144:52
2042happening in the u.s. you know we don't
204344:53
2044see that happening over here hmm even
204544:56
2046though the blacks over here were
204744:57
2048considered difference and and maybe you
204945:01
2050know because they're quite unknown and
205145:04
2052that they you know you don't associate
205345:06
2054yourself with too much with people who
205545:08
2056are unknown mother thing was the
205745:10
2058struggle they had in the u.s. about the
205945:12
2060the let's put one specific struggle
206145:15
2062about sitting in the bus you know that
206345:18
2064was like a non-issue over here just
206545:20
2066wherever so that's the thing yeah yeah
206745:24
2068it was since 1910 or something as long
206945:26
2070as you have quite a Dutch passport you
207145:28
2072have full voting rights you have full
207345:30
2074rights of Appeal you have full rights of
207545:35
2076getting a insurance etc there was no
207745:38
2078like blocking so that's the struggle in
207945:40
2080the US was quite something
208145:42
2082huh y-you know right well you still get
208345:45
2084the story you still didn't tell me why
208545:47
2086there was Chinese people in the
208745:48
2088Netherlands like like Hong Kong people
208945:50
2090I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting
209145:52
2092there because of because of the drug
209345:54
2094thing you know all right
209545:57
2096the basically the the Dutch were at that
209746:00
2098time are quite tight knit community if
209946:02
2100you are white you know you probably know
210146:04
2102somebody else is white and you don't
210346:05
2104know the boundaries but Chinese were
210546:07
2106already quite weaved into society even
210746:10
2108though they were accepted but they were
210946:11
2110quite considered different so you as a
211146:14
2112how do you say as a as a well-known
211346:18
2114Dutch person you are the gentleman like
211546:21
2116and you wouldn't go to another person
211746:23
2118saying hey you have drugs for me you
211946:25
2120know that doesn't work no what works is
212146:27
2122for example if you go to a restaurant
212346:29
2124and ask the other who is in the
212546:32
2126community who has foreign contacts hmm
212746:34
2128ask the other well can you get me some
212946:36
2130of that stuff you know hmm
213146:38
2132and Chinese you know being being of the
213346:40
2134old age you know you you you sense a
213546:43
2136opportunity for business hmm
213746:45
2138and that's where it started you know the
213946:48
2140Chinese what we considered different and
214146:50
2142they were still included into society
214346:53
2144weaved everywhere around so there was
214546:55
2146actually there in Amsterdam the the I
214746:58
2148don't live in that city but announced em
214946:59
2150there used to be a very subscribing how
215147:03
2152do you say
215347:05
2154Godfather like figures multiple of them
215547:08
2156who had Chinese those were Chinese and
215747:11
2158that they had contacts in South America
215947:14
2160etc sternum and Brazil were amongst
216147:17
2162these places and also in Asia and you
216347:20
2164know they set up the businesses with
216547:22
2166with with its salaries with with borders
216747:25
2168and they really kept the type-check of
216947:28
2170their business and you know in Midlands
217147:29
2172because we have a liberal drug policy
217347:32
2174it's it's unimaginable in the u.s.
217547:34
2176really you know if I want to buy a hash
217747:37
2178or anything just five minute walk from
217947:39
2180here in your store and I can get it mmm
218147:41
2182it's really that simple and where did
218347:44
2184the drugs come from like would like less
218547:47
2186also early Chinese immigrants they went
218747:49
2188there they opened up their China towns
218947:51
2190restaurants I'm assuming is what's this
219147:53
2192what we always do we
219347:55
2194we go and open the restaurant you know
219547:59
2196because we have to make money and then
219748:01
2198where did the drugs come from it does it
219948:04
2200get imported in from China or where no
220148:07
2202no no stop America and what I also know
220348:11
2204is the Golden Triangle that yes Island
220548:13
2206Cambodia is another part you know
220748:16
2208because the Chinese that they they have
220948:18
2210these complex you know that they were a
221148:20
2212rebel already living in a very
221348:24
2214cosmopolitan kind of world actually
221548:27
2216because the Chinese had contacts because
221748:29
2218they have been there they and they were
221948:32
2220quite savvy on world trade anyway the
222148:35
2222debtor or quite up to themselves
222348:37
2224actually I must say and they're doing a
222548:39
2226good job at it though but the thing was
222748:41
2228the Chinese they had a contact you know
222948:43
2230they set up they set up lines from from
223148:46
2232South America to the Netherlands you
223348:48
2234know and they they really put effort in
223548:52
2236it to get his formalizes organization
223748:54
2238you know and the Dutch climate the Dutch
223948:58
2240the Dutch climate allowed these things
224149:01
2242to to just progress as long as you know
224349:03
2244you don't have like a massive drug
224549:06
2246epidemic over here but so it's legal for
224749:10
2248them to deal drugs over there at that
224949:13
2250time yes we distinguish between hard
225149:16
2252drugs and soft drugs but at that time
225349:18
2254there was no such really distinction and
225549:21
2256it was also still considered medicinal
225749:24
2258usage actually so yeah they had free
225949:27
2260reins and they really became yeah I
226149:31
2262recently read a story about this but
226349:32
2264they really the lemons Amsterdam was
226549:35
2266really like a a point in which everybody
226749:39
2268came and that they could buy sell drugs
226949:42
2270and loose you know which type of drugs
227149:45
2272I'm curious I'm curious to know which
227349:48
2274type of drugs can you be more specific
227549:52
2276my guess it say it would be cocaine okay
227749:56
2278that would be the most most direct one I
227949:59
2280think the secondary one would be heroin
228150:01
2282yeah
228350:02
2284although I'm not sure about the second
228550:04
2286one though but cocaine is is definitely
228750:06
2288what one one thing
228950:07
2290you know the the besides being a supply
229150:11
2292for the Dutch market they could easily
229350:12
2294move on to Germany you could easily move
229550:15
2296on to France you know if I want to go to
229750:17
2298Germany it would take me one and a half
229950:19
2300hour an hour fifty fifty minutes
230150:21
2302basically to get by to get to the border
230350:23
2304just by driving and 40 minutes to
230550:25
2306Belgium I take the train for three and a
230750:28
2308half or four hours I'll be in Paris you
230950:31
2310know these are the distances you're
231150:32
2312talking about so they made lots of money
231350:34
2314making use of these close distances so
231550:37
2316we market it was like a gangster's
231750:39
2318paradise it was like a triad paradise
231950:41
2320because they could be exact do whatever
232150:43
2322they wanted and you know they wouldn't
232350:45
2324be arrested or anything like that so
232550:47
2326we'd be like a heaven for them yeah
232750:51
2328exactly it would be heaven and it was
232950:53
2330also a safe haven you know because for
233150:55
2332example I would say you know how many
233350:57
2334hong kong gang members can read that you
233551:00
2336know if you want to put your family
233751:01
2338somewhere in a small town it's really
233951:03
2340possible you know they will never arrive
234151:05
2342Oh gang would never be able to find them
234351:07
2344very very very interesting insight
234551:12
2346that's a very nice insight but yeah we
234751:18
2348know you know some of the the I'd say
234951:22
2350the old aged Chinese over here that they
235151:24
2352went really they were having a lot of
235351:29
2354riches and basically that they were
235551:32
2356mingling into high society because you
235751:34
2358know that their money to spend you know
235951:36
2360the thing is you they over here they
236151:38
2362take a plane to go to Italy to to get
236351:40
2364suits done and come back to the next day
236551:42
2366it's like crazy you know the story of
236751:48
2368the gangster paradise over here yeah
236951:50
2370absolutely and actually you know it's at
237151:55
2372this funny cuz this actually reminded me
237351:58
2374cuz in an earlier episode there was a
237552:00
2376there was a african-american guy that
237752:03
2378was trying to make a joke with me
237952:05
2380on the street or I was telling this
238152:07
2382story where we're trying to make a joke
238352:09
2384on me it's like oh yeah we know Chinese
238552:11
2386people do the
238752:12
2388stuff like that I guess he's right we do
238952:14
2390they would deal with the most drugs but
239152:16
2392you know what you know who deals more
239352:18
2394drugs than we do the the British the
239552:22
2396British Empire dealt more drugs than we
239752:24
2398do because they were selling opium to
239952:26
2400everybody on the planet so beat that but
240152:32
2402yeah yeah the British really had their
240352:37
2404game going on and Queen Queen Victoria
240552:41
2406whoever was the Queen at the time she's
240752:44
2408the biggest drug dealer biggest in the
240952:48
2410world basically the biggest in the world
241152:50
2412you know it was pushed by a nation you
241352:53
2414know and the thing is all the riches all
241552:56
2416the the all the things that you see in
241752:58
2418Britain you know for a big part even
241953:00
2420though it's every now and then you you
242153:01
2422also hear yeah I found in the Attic
242353:03
2424I found in an old vase which is from the
242553:06
2426Ming Dynasty example just ask yourself
242753:09
2428how did that base get there you know
242953:11
2430yeah how did you know how how what was
243153:16
2432your group your great-great-grandfather
243353:18
2434you know what did he steal for example
243553:22
2436exactly I mean you bring up a good point
243753:25
2438you bring up a good point and I'll go
243953:27
2440I'll go as far to say this now because
244153:30
2442you know this is dynasty lifestyle
244353:32
2444podcast it goes it goes a little bit
244553:34
2446about identity it goes about a little
244753:36
2448bit about history goes about into
244953:39
2450dissecting what it means you know to
245153:44
2452just just you know our our identity so
245353:46
2454like when people say like Oh Chinese
245553:49
2456people copy so many things and they're
245753:51
2458like you know they counterfeit this and
245953:54
2460they counterfeit that and you know
246153:56
2462they're not original they don't come up
246353:58
2464with their with their own things and
246554:00
2466that they're not creative
246754:01
2468you know alternatively speaking look at
246954:06
2470it from another perspective it's like
247154:07
2472it's survival you know its survival like
247354:12
2474why are we gonna put like so many things
247554:13
2476why don't we cop got a copy so many
247754:15
2478things because we got to survive because
247954:16
2480at that time there all these people came
248154:20
2482and do you know our country and they
248354:22
2484stole everything they stole all the goal
248554:26
2486they stole all the artifacts they stole
248754:29
2488all the treasures right how the hell are
248954:32
2490we supposed to survive so when you when
249154:34
2492you when people bring that up and they
249354:36
2494talk about all your stealing your
249554:37
2496stealing your stealing really like we're
249754:40
2498just taking it back
249954:41
2500you don't mean we're just taking it back
250154:43
2502so you know in that context in that
250354:47
2504perspective you know I you know we're
250554:51
2506not doing anything that hasn't been done
250754:53
2508to us really yeah yeah that's so it's a
250954:58
2510little bit of a weird with way to think
251155:01
2512about it this way but it's really it's
251355:03
2514it's the truth you know the thing was
251555:05
2516actually just think about this before in
251755:09
2518the 1950s to the 1980s it was always a
251955:13
2520Japanese Japanese car cheap products
252155:15
2522very blah you know yeah from the 1980s
252355:19
2524till probably the 2000s it was a Koreans
252555:23
2526Korean cars no Korean products Korean
252755:26
2528this you know and now it's the Chinese
252955:28
2530you know and it's it's for me it's like
253155:32
2532you know there's constantly this these
253355:33
2534waves in the economy and these waves in
253555:36
2536in how the world goes actually you know
253755:38
2538and I really like to think of it as just
253955:42
2540a natural flow because for example you
254155:45
2542know Netherlands we have a city called
254355:46
2544Delft yes just to be very specific and
254555:49
2546that's the Chinese market in the old
254755:52
2548days they were creating very good
254955:54
2550porcelain very high quality very well
255155:57
2552technologically wise they were on the
255356:00
2554top mm-hmm and the Dutch people they
255556:02
2556don't like to talk about this but they
255756:04
2558copied the Delft blue pottery and they
255956:09
2560created a copy of the Chinese they knew
256156:11
2562it was a copy but they created just to
256356:14
2564be able to meet the market demands
256556:17
2566mm-hmm and this is very interesting
256756:21
2568because once once they say all the
256956:23
2570Chinese copy their bloody right yeah you
257156:26
2572know it's it's copying everywhere you
257356:28
2574know it's just meeting market demands
257556:30
2576and and the old age when when you
257756:33
2578mentioned for example that yeah China
257956:37
2580was basically robbed blank of everything
258156:40
2582because opium war and because of the all
258356:42
2584the depth that they put on to China
258556:44
2586because China didn't understand the
258756:47
2588concept of of Western warfare that this
258956:50
2590meaning they invade China they they want
259156:53
2592to take over the government and the
259356:56
2594Chinese resisted and they the Chinese
259556:58
2596didn't have a capable army or really how
259757:03
2598do you say modern capable army yeah
259957:05
2600and they lost so they they said okay
260157:07
2602well we lost but we still have to pay
260357:10
2604the the the foreigners who aggressively
260557:13
2606invade in our country that was like how
260757:15
2608does that make sense you know very
260957:17
2610embarrassing you know it's yeah it's
261157:21
2612very embarrassing because you you're the
261357:22
2614losing party and you can have to pay you
261557:25
2616know and besides that we're girls gonna
261757:27
2618also put interest on it so if you if you
261957:30
2620delay your pay you know the interest
262157:32
2622will just go up and it came to a point
262357:34
2624where just China was bleeding empty by
262557:36
2626the day actually that's also when a lot
262757:39
2628of people actually left towards
262957:41
2630Southeast Asia or left towards the other
263157:43
2632parts of the world actually and yeah and
263357:47
2634the thing is that just think about how
263557:49
2636every every besides every Chinese person
263757:54
2638every Asian person what why they have to
263957:59
2640leave Asia why why did Filipino people
264158:01
2642have to leave Asia to work elsewhere
264358:03
2644well why did a lot of cool in Dunellen
264558:06
2646why do we have so many but South Korean
264758:09
2648and also some North Korean but add up TV
264958:11
2650before
265158:13
2652you know the thing is on America to
265358:16
2654poverty because yeah lots of Korean
265558:19
2656adoptees an American and it's it's
265758:24
2658because of poverty and how is this
265958:25
2660poverty why did this poverty exists
266158:29
2662actually it's because of warfare because
266358:31
2664of strife because of struggle and the
266558:34
2666thing is getting back to a very old
266758:37
2668story which I which we both were playing
266958:41
2670with is actually in the old days China
267158:44
2672was like the big ancient UN it had it
267358:47
2674had it was also the thickness if there
267558:52
2676was any neighbor
267758:52
2678needed assistance with rebellions with
267958:55
2680flooding with piracy or whatever the the
268158:58
2682Chinese government the Chinese dynasty
268359:01
2684at a time would send armies to help etc
268559:04
2686now if they're but the thing was
268759:06
2688actually the foreigners this mean the
268959:09
2690west conquering the the warfare in
269159:11
2692Western Europeans who set their mind on
269359:13
2694Asia to divide it they already saw oh my
269559:17
2696god everything is actually being
269759:19
2698protected by China actually so what must
269959:22
2700we do
270159:23
2702you must take down China we must take
270359:26
2704down China really hard so is isn't able
270559:28
2706to protect its friends its allies or you
270759:32
2708know China China never had the an
270959:33
2710expansionist ik war you know but as soon
271159:36
2712as the Europeans were able to sail a
271359:38
2714ship you know they say oh let's put guns
271559:40
2716on them and let's shift all our armies
271759:42
2718towards the east and let's conquer the
271959:43
2720new worlds well China was doing great at
272159:46
2722a time with their own dynasties in their
272359:48
2724old things you know they were doing you
272559:51
2726know even like for example India India
272759:53
2728already tumbled for the British and then
272959:56
2730then they set their mind further on in
273159:59
2732Asia then said the eyes further on in
273360:01
2734Asia and well the the work the rest of
273560:04
2736the European countries are like oh my
273760:06
2738god you know the British are good
273960:08
2740getting rich bad but by the minute by
274160:10
2742the hour
274360:11
2744and that they already took India and
274560:13
2746they they're setting their eyes on China
274760:15
2748and the rest of Asia now we should take
274960:16
2750part in the game as well you know so in
275160:19
2752the end firstly had the big other
275360:21
2754country which which was France was also
275560:24
2756participating for example very clearly
275760:26
2758in the Second Opium War and along the
275960:31
2760way all the other countries came pouring
276160:32
2762in even the Netherlands has a small
276360:35
2764history of also partaking in in the wars
276560:40
2766in Indonesia and even the smaller
276760:42
2768country over here which is myself
276960:43
2770country called Belgium they even
277160:46
2772appreciate the the Chinese emperor to
277360:49
2774sign a agreement to to house a to to
277560:55
2776give them tangent from now to the rest
277760:57
2778of eternity actually did that happen
277961:00
2780small country like Belgium yeah that
278161:02
2782happened that happened where Tianjin is
278361:04
2784a
278561:05
2786colony I didn't know that well you just
278761:10
2788look at the buildings they have a a
278961:12
2790asked Austria Romania Austria Hungarian
279161:16
2792like a very old colonial building it's
279361:21
2794very nice preserved are you talking
279561:23
2796about so are you talking about the the
279761:25
2798territories like big the concessions I'm
279961:30
2800talking about Tenjin not blood Shanghai
280161:34
2802they already had concessions over there
280361:36
2804we're really moving towards other places
280561:38
2806as well and Tianjin is basically that
280761:42
2808they the Belgians that they wanted a
280961:45
2810piece of the action as well and they
281161:47
2812were white as well so they they pressure
281361:49
2814the government saying okay we're gonna
281561:50
2816attack you if you don't give us that
281761:54
2818land actually well and the thing was you
281961:57
2820know Chinese Emperor already suffered a
282161:59
2822lot of these these foreign aggressions
282362:02
2824to say oh another big country Belgium is
282562:04
2826really small but all another big country
282762:06
2828you know and oh they're white again yeah
282962:08
2830let's give intentions just a small place
283162:11
2832but this is what happened I did not know
283362:15
2834the changes was a former colony of
283562:18
2836another like is that on the same level
283762:21
2838as a Hong Kong was I was a former colony
283962:23
2840of British Empire no no that the British
284162:28
2842actually had a very high say that there
284362:31
2844are lots of experience with colonizing
284562:34
2846stuff very how do you say a devious fine
284762:38
2848job with it yeah a very devious fine job
284962:41
2850so not the same thing it's not the same
285162:46
2852thing but for example if you ever go to
285362:48
2854Belgium and go to Antwerp Central
285562:51
2856Station one of my friends told me
285762:53
2858actually had all the marble and all the
285962:55
2860all the nice stuff actually from there
286162:57
2862from from that central station was
286362:59
2864actually hauled over from tangina
286563:01
2866actually I should just act check that
286763:03
2868but it was one of the things that I was
286963:05
2870playing in my mind because I live is it
287163:07
2872Antwerp every every three to four months
287363:10
2874I have friends over there it's it's a
287563:12
2876nice place and yeah it makes me wonder
287763:16
2878you know how did it get there you know
287963:18
2880yeah and it's interesting you brought
288163:19
2882that up you it's very interesting you
288363:21
2884brought up the whole thing about China
288563:23
2886being the Middle Kingdom that's what
288763:24
2888that's why it was called the Middle
288963:26
2890Kingdom right that's why it's known as
289163:27
2892Middle Kingdom because it was the
289363:30
2894central place on earth at the time like
289563:34
2896like literally human civilization at the
289763:36
2898peak of the human civilization at that
289963:39
2900time well obviously if you're a
290163:41
2902historian there are several peaks right
290363:43
2904there's there's different Peaks that are
290563:45
2906happening in different civilizations
290763:47
2908right Egyptians bla bla bla bla bla bla
290963:49
2910but at the time
291163:51
2912Asian civilization at its peak was China
291363:54
2914so we had the best technology we had the
291563:57
2916best scholars you know we invented a ton
291764:00
2918of things right and European people at
291964:03
2920the time we're like in the Dark Ages
292164:04
2922they were like shitting themselves and
292364:06
2924in on the streets and like didn't even
292564:08
2926have a sewage system so they just threw
292764:09
2928their junk on you know they just threw
292964:11
2930their junk out the streets and they were
293164:13
2932had like the plague and everything like
293364:15
2934that so they didn't have any technology
293564:17
2936so like China the time was like pinnacle
293764:19
2938you know you had again I'm not about to
293964:22
2940go in a super long list of the stuff we
294164:25
2942invented but I mean check it out I mean
294364:27
2944do some research but we were so
294564:29
2946technologically advanced that we're just
294764:31
2948like man we're gonna chill we're gonna
294964:32
2950have peace you know we're gonna have
295164:34
2952like the whole scholarly era where
295364:36
2954people come out and we start rapping and
295564:38
2956well you know that's the origin of rap
295764:41
2958is Chinese poetry you know I mean so you
295964:43
2960had scholars come out and like take
296164:45
2962their times you know what take a take a
296364:48
2964stroll along the Chinese gardens and
296564:51
2966there write poetry and then recite them
296764:53
2968and talk to birds and talk to the moon
296964:56
2970and talk to the lake and be like you're
297164:59
2972so fine and pretty and all that type of
297365:01
2974stuff and then you know that's how they
297565:03
2976would woo the women and stuff like that
297765:04
2978so so it was like art you know poetry
297965:09
2980fashion martial arts a little bit of
298165:12
2982martial I didn't have to like go to war
298365:13
2984too much so it's like a little bit of
298565:15
2986martial arts but mostly it was like
298765:17
2988studying health care yeah he'll help
298965:19
2990right it was it was a lot of like
299165:22
2992writing books writing novels
299365:25
2994writing strategic manuals all that type
299565:28
2996of stuff so was like a good peaceful
299765:30
2998time
299965:31
3000because like they had everything you
300165:33
3002know I mean the the resources are all
300365:34
3004there the people were all there the
300565:36
3006management was all there and it's good
300765:40
3008thing you brought up a thing about you
300965:41
3010know not having an expansionist policy I
301165:43
3012mean I don't want to sound like I'm like
301365:46
3014super Pro China or like super sino
301565:49
3016centrist sis or whatever you want to
301765:51
3018call it
301965:51
3020I understand there's there's been
302165:53
3022certain you know incidents where China
302365:55
3024has tried to you know annex Korea or
302566:00
3026China has tried to invade Vietnam stuff
302766:02
3028like that I'm not I'm not saying they
302966:04
3030were completely innocent but in terms of
303166:07
3032applying in terms of applying like a
303366:10
3034western-style
303566:12
3036imperialism colonialism to its neighbors
303766:15
3038I don't think China ever did that China
303966:17
3040was always like okay here's how big we
304166:21
3042are right look like like they would send
304366:24
3044their convoys that they would send their
304566:25
3046guys over there they'd be like okay see
304766:26
3048this is how big we are you know this is
304966:30
3050how big our army is this is how much
305166:33
3052resources we have like if we want to go
305366:37
3054to war with you guys we could but we're
305566:40
3056not gonna do that we like peace for the
305766:43
3058most part so we're gonna let you do your
305966:45
3060thing you you can have free control and
306166:49
3062you know free development of your own
306366:51
3064society and your language and stuff like
306566:53
3066that we're not gonna try and force
306766:55
3068anything on you just you know every year
306966:58
3070just send us something you know I mean
307167:01
3072send us some gold send up some food send
307367:03
3074us some whatever resource just a little
307567:05
3076bit pay your tribute a little bit here
307767:07
3078and we'll protect you in a sense like
307967:10
3080we're your big brother we'll protect you
308167:12
3082you know send us some princesses and
308367:14
3084some queens here and there and and we're
308567:17
3086good you know we're good so I feel like
308767:20
3088I I mean I'm looking on the good side I
308967:24
3090feel like that's kind of cool it's like
309167:26
3092hey I can I can deal with that it's it's
309367:29
3094it's not any different than if you live
309567:31
3096in society right now and you got to pay
309767:33
3098your taxes and you got to pay your
309967:34
3100whatever medical bills or whatever it is
310167:37
3102and you got to pay your income tax it's
310367:39
3104the same thing the government takes care
310567:41
3106of you right they they provide you a
310767:43
3108place they provide you you know
310967:44
3110with laws and stuff like that they
311167:46
3112protect you it's the same thing so
311367:48
3114Chinese society they were already so
311567:51
3116advanced that they did not need to
311767:53
3118result to like barbaric things like
311967:56
3120invading in other people's land and
312167:59
3122taking their resources and raping their
312368:02
3124women and getting them to sign unfair
312568:04
3126treaties so that you can rape them some
312768:06
3128more for resources and for money and
312968:08
3130then also colonize their people and
313168:10
3132force them to speak another language and
313368:13
3134you know push your religion on them and
313568:15
3136then force them to take up your religion
313768:17
3138and force them to hate themselves and
313968:20
3140hate their own language and hate their
314168:22
3142own religion hate the hate their own
314368:24
3144skin color that they're in and then
314568:26
3146force them to speak English like we like
314768:28
3148Chinese people never did that you know
314968:30
3150and for any non Asians listening this
315168:32
3152lot guys right now
315368:33
3154you you sound like oh shit like you know
315568:36
3156this shit's getting too real like I'm
315768:38
3158gonna I'm about to press a you know X
315968:39
3160button I want to get out of here like
316168:42
3162like oh this whole guy he's such a
316368:44
3164racist and bla bla like nah dude this
316568:47
3166has nothing to do with racism you listen
316768:49
3168this is a history this is exactly what
316968:52
3170happened to places in Asia you know from
317168:55
3172from places like you know the British
317368:57
3174Empire and whatever European countries
317568:59
3176and stuff like that this is a reality
317769:00
3178and this is this is the history that we
317969:02
3180live in right you as a non-asian person
318169:05
3182will be listening to this and you and
318369:07
3184you may feel like oh you know that's
318569:09
3186such a long time ago it's ancient
318769:11
3188history no no no it's not ancient
318969:13
3190history it's only a few generations
319169:14
3192removed we still feel the effects of
319369:16
3194that even today so it's not going to
319569:18
3196take any you know it's not gonna be
319769:20
3198anytime soon that this this sort of the
319969:23
3200effects of colonialism goes away I mean
320169:25
3202I mean let me go off tangent a little
320369:27
3204bit first of all why am i speaking
320569:29
3206English right let's ask that question
320769:32
3208why do I have to address the rest of the
320969:35
3210world in English right now I could be
321169:36
3212speaking Chinese right now I could be
321369:37
3214speaking my own dialect right now but I
321569:39
3216can't do that because you wouldn't
321769:40
3218understand me and I would need subtitles
321969:42
3220so you know right then and there is is
322169:46
3222is is a sign of colonialism like I
322369:49
3224should be able to speak my own language
322569:51
3226and other people should respect it
322769:53
3228enough to learn my language and then be
322969:55
3230able to hear me yours own saying but I
323169:57
3232have to
323369:58
3234English because English is now the
323570:00
3236de-facto kind of international language
323770:02
3238who knows in a hundred years but that's
323970:06
3240a de facto language and that's the
324170:08
3242language that we have to learn you know
324370:10
3244this there's millions of people in China
324570:11
3246there's millions of Chinese people
324770:13
3248Asians whatever that have to learn
324970:15
3250English just so that they could speak to
325170:18
3252foreigners and they could speak to
325370:19
3254everybody else in the rest of the world
325570:21
3256but why is it that you know it can't be
325770:25
3258the other way around why is it not that
325970:27
3260other people are learning to speak
326170:28
3262Japanese or learning to speak Chinese in
326370:30
3264order to communicate with 1.4 billion
326570:34
3266people on the earth
326770:35
3268well it's because there's a different
326970:36
3270power dynamic you're talking about again
327170:39
3272decades you know centuries of
327370:42
3274colonialism and that language has been
327570:45
3276spread and that language has been you
327770:47
3278know widespread and pushed by media by
327970:50
3280you know political powers and whatever
328170:53
3282it is it's part of the history now so
328370:56
3284wewe have to speak the English or else
328570:59
3286other people don't understand us and
328771:00
3288that's that's just you know a very walk
328971:02
3290way at looking at it so you know that
329171:07
3292that's history so it's not that I'm
329371:09
3294being hateful against people who are non
329571:11
3296Asian or it's like that it has nothing
329771:13
3298to do with hate I don't hate anybody
329971:14
3300what I'm saying is here are the facts
330171:17
3302here's what we live in and here's what
330371:20
3304we have to realize and here's here's
330571:21
3306what we have to recognize so I went off
330771:24
3308on a tangent a little bit what was our
330971:25
3310original talking about was I talking
331171:26
3312about okay so yeah Chinese people you
331371:29
3314know that the the Ming or not Ming
331571:31
3316Dynasty but the Middle Kingdom right
331771:34
3318acting as like a big brother so they
331971:36
3320never had to do the western-style
332171:38
3322imperialism thing and I thought that was
332371:41
3324a beautiful thing and and I thought
332571:44
3326there's nothing wrong with that and I'm
332771:45
3328sure there's there's obviously Koreans
332971:47
3330and Vietnamese and you know they're
333171:50
3332gonna feel a certain way about it I
333371:51
3334understand that and and my message to to
333571:55
3336to our you know Asian brothers and stuff
333771:57
3338like that is I think it's better if all
333972:01
3340Asians work together you know I mean
334172:03
3342because you you've been at the result of
334372:06
3344colonialism we've all suffered from the
334572:08
3346same result of Imperial
334772:09
3348why not pool your resources together and
334972:11
3350help help each other out as opposed to
335172:13
3352you know fighting over petty differences
335372:15
3354and and now you can reflect that with
335572:18
3356with modern with the modern age with
335772:20
3358modern society right now it's it's
335972:22
3360happening the same thing the same things
336172:23
3362happening you know the same thing that
336372:25
3364was happening a hundred and two hundred
336572:26
3366years ago is happening right now it just
336772:28
3368comes in cycles like you said people are
336972:30
3370now taking aim at China because China is
337172:32
3372coming into the you know in the modern
337372:34
3374era they're powerful again right they're
337572:38
3376on the rise again just like they were
337772:40
3378200 years ago and people are pointing
337972:44
3380their guns at China and they're doing
338172:45
3382the same thing again they're like okay
338372:46
3384South Korea you know Japan
338572:49
3386you know Philippines you know Vietnam
338772:52
3388like you gotta be on our side you're
338972:54
3390gonna be on the American side you're
339172:55
3392gonna be on the whatever side and China
339372:58
3394is like the bully China is the enemy
339573:00
3396like you're gonna be anti China and it's
339773:01
3398like come on man like please like that's
339973:05
3400just a whole kind of game that you guys
340173:07
3402are playing like any educated well
340373:10
3404unfortunately a lot of people are not
340573:11
3406educated but any educated person can see
340773:14
3408that this is just proxy wars this is
340973:16
3410just you guys are playing a game because
341173:18
3412you guys want to you guys want to get a
341373:20
3414China again so it's great the Chinese
341573:23
3416are well they just had the they just had
341773:26
3418the summit meeting they just had the
341973:28
3420summit meeting where a Chinese president
342173:30
3422invited you know all the Southeast Asian
342373:32
3424countries and then Middle Eastern
342573:34
3426countries and they put me basically
342773:36
3428ignored America and they brought them in
342973:38
3430for that for that meeting again I don't
343173:40
3432wanna get into politics and stuff like
343373:41
3434that I'm not a politics person but what
343573:43
3436I'm saying is they're doing good stuff
343773:45
3438over there in Asia and if you've
343973:47
3440actually visit China you actually you
344173:48
3442know talk to people there you actually
344373:50
3444realize that there's there's a lot of
344573:51
3446great things going on within China you
344773:55
3448know other than the censorship right
344973:56
3450other than and and whatever there's
345173:59
3452actually a lot of great things going on
345374:00
3454in China the Chinese government's
345574:01
3456actually doing a lot of great things for
345774:02
3458their own people you know just to give
345974:05
3460you a couple points you know they they
346174:07
3462they they're they're going green that I
346374:10
3464realize that they're doing a lot of
346574:11
3466things that they're going green with so
346774:13
3468you know bicycles are free in China so
346974:17
3470bicycles are publicly available you just
347174:20
3472tap your car tap your phone
347374:22
3474ever and you could get on a bicycle and
347574:23
3476you could ride and it's literally for
347774:25
3478free so they encourage good health they
347974:28
3480encourage people to bike and they
348174:31
3482encourage people to take public
348374:32
3484transportation if you try to register
348574:34
3486for a car it's like trying to win the
348774:37
3488lottery okay there's gonna be like tens
348974:39
3490of thousands of people that are gonna
349174:40
3492try to register for license-plate firfer
349374:42
3494to run to drive a car but they'll only
349574:44
3496pick a handful per month okay because
349774:47
3498they want to limit the amount of people
349974:48
3500that can buy cars so that limit the the
350174:53
3502pollution right so then they jack up the
350374:58
3504prices on car parking lot spots so to
350575:02
3506discourage people from owning cars and
350775:04
3508you encourage people in taking either
350975:06
3510public transit or walking or cycling so
351175:11
3512that's good that those are good things
351375:13
3514that are doing in China of course in the
351575:14
3516Netherlands and stuff like that I'm sure
351775:16
3518they've been doing that for the last you
351975:17
3520know thirty forty years already but I'm
352175:20
3522just assuming
352375:20
3524but there's doing they're doing a lot of
352575:23
3526great things they're doing a lot of
352775:24
3528great things in China that in fact even
352975:26
3530if you compare it to places in America
353175:28
3532you compare to Canada even you know is a
353375:31
3534very slow evolving you know a can't Oh
353575:34
3536economy in it well I don't want to use
353775:36
3538the word economy but slow moving
353975:37
3540lifestyle over here in Canada there's a
354175:39
3542lot of things in Canada that are just
354375:42
3544take years and years and years and it
354575:44
3546never gets done you know public
354775:46
3548transport is bad you know traffic is bad
354975:49
3550a lot of things that you know are
355175:52
3552available in Asia the subway systems the
355375:55
3554superfast subway system the superfast
355575:56
3556public transportation systems in Asia
355775:58
3558Hong Kong you know Japan South Korea
355976:00
3560certain big tier 1 cities in China
356176:03
3562they're not they're not even available
356376:04
3564in Canada Canada they got they're using
356576:06
3566some shit that's super old it never
356776:08
3568works right I can't speak for New York
356976:11
3570City but you know I've been to New York
357176:13
3572bunch of times I mean we all know the
357376:14
3574New York City subway system is like a
357576:16
3576sewer you know I mean it's a sewer like
357776:20
3578that's not like that in Asia you go
357976:22
3580Tunisia you go to the subway system it
358176:24
3582is extremely clean it's extremely
358376:26
3584efficient you know everything's on time
358576:29
3586you know people do things in an orderly
358776:31
3588manner you know
358976:32
3590and there's it's just a lot of people
359176:34
3592it's just ignorant people never been in
359376:36
3594Asia they never traveled there they
359576:38
3596never lived there they just don't know
359776:39
3598that there's a lot of great things you
359976:41
3600know in China there's a lot of great
360176:43
3602things in Asia anyway I'm going
360376:44
3604super-super off tangent so I thought it
360576:50
3606was really interesting I thought it was
360776:52
3608really interesting to learn that part
360976:54
3610about China I don't know a few years
361176:56
3612back talking to other Chinese people
361376:58
3614that you know China never needed to do
361577:00
3616the whole expansionist thing and yeah
361777:05
3618well I can understand why because if
361977:08
3620you're like you know you're if you're
362177:11
3622English you know you're British or
362377:13
3624whatever yeah you live on a tiny island
362577:15
3626there's nothing there so you're gonna
362777:21
3628make some ships and invade some
362977:23
3630countries of course cuz you got nothing
363177:25
3632on your Island it's tiny yeah you know
363377:29
3634the thing is talk about the Britain they
363577:38
3636already had a very long history of
363777:39
3638warfare against the French so they're
363977:41
3640very good at it actually and along the
364177:43
3642way they thought you know that's not
364377:45
3644make war but let's make war with others
364577:47
3646you know so that they went conquering
364777:49
3648other places and they exported that
364977:53
3650their their you know their democratic
365177:55
3652system their colonialism and basically
365377:58
3654enslaved you know that they are quite
365578:01
3656dubiously proud of the fact that they
365778:03
3658once had an empire where which the Sun
365978:05
3660never sets and it was quite true
366178:07
3662actually no that makes it all very very
366378:12
3664very weird actually because yeah you
366578:17
3666know they had so much money and they had
366778:19
3668so many places while their themselves
366978:21
3670are very small country you know this uh
367178:24
3672you just think about that you know their
367378:26
3674small country but able to divide and
367578:29
3676conquer that's basically what we're
367778:30
3678where it came down to and they're really
367978:32
3680good at making other people divide as
368178:35
3682well so they're they're excellent and oh
368378:38
3684yeah you use the word you use the exact
368578:41
3686word which is what's happening right now
368778:42
3688is that Asians are divided and
368978:45
3690and largely it's a reason of Western
369178:47
3692colonialism Western opinion and
369378:49
3694imperialism cuz they're great at coming
369578:51
3696in and being like hey Filipinos you know
369778:54
3698you don't like the Chinese you know I
369978:56
3700mean like make sure that you don't make
370178:58
3702sure that you remember that you don't
370378:59
3704like them you know and then they'll go
370579:01
3706over to let Koreans and they'll be like
370779:02
3708hey hey Koreans make sure that you
370979:05
3710remember that China is the enemy
371179:06
3712all right you got it and then they go
371379:08
3714over Japan's I hate Japan your are your
371579:10
3716our lap dog you know I mean you're our
371779:12
3718little puppy you gotta listen to you
371979:14
3720know what we say cuz we nuked you and we
372179:16
3722put it we put a bunch of military bases
372379:17
3724in your ass you gotta like listen to us
372579:20
3726make sure you continue to be the enemy
372779:22
3728of China and all that type of stuff now
372979:23
3730you're our watchdog you know I mean like
373179:25
3732if that sounds harsh but that really is
373379:28
3734reality this is really reality it's like
373579:31
3736the the reason why Western you know
373779:35
3738colonialism imperialism still exists to
373979:37
3740this day is because of their ability to
374179:41
3742make Asians divided and make them stay
374379:44
3744divided and that's why you know it comes
374579:47
3746down to for a person like me who is very
374779:50
3748proud of being Asian you know I like to
374979:51
3750see a unified you know unified Asian
375179:55
3752people you're just just everybody be
375379:57
3754friendly with each other you know and
375579:58
3756and and you know not to you know take
375780:01
3758that on and and be be we take them taken
375980:03
3760out of context and be in the wrong way
376180:05
3762not that we don't want to be friends
376380:07
3764with other people but I'm saying in
376580:10
3766order to be friends with the rest of the
376780:12
3768world right Asians first of all have to
376980:16
3770understand where they come from and
377180:17
3772their own identity first and then
377380:19
3774they're able to make friends with each
377580:21
3776other first because they because let's
377780:23
3778let's put it this way we all look the
377980:24
3780same and I mean we all look similar so
378180:27
3782by association we're already associated
378380:30
3784with each other right it's not like you
378580:32
3786go to America and you look at a white
378780:34
3788person you be like oh I could see that
378980:35
3790you're from Belgium it's like no like I
379180:38
3792just look white right
379380:39
3794I just look white so I'm I'm seen and
379580:43
3796attributed as white or whatever if you
379780:45
3798want to be technical about it
379980:46
3800I'm European right but they don't go up
380180:50
3802to people and say like oh yeah you're
380380:51
3804European or you're Irish
380580:53
3806or you're you're Scottish whatever no
380780:55
3808you can't tell each other apart until
380980:57
3810you start asking me questions
381180:58
3812so same thing with Asians the first
381381:01
3814judgement is that okay
381581:02
3816you location you probably speak in Asian
381781:04
3818language and whatever all the negative
381981:08
3820stereotypes are the stuarts types that
382181:09
3822come with it when people see you they're
382381:11
3824like oh they think you're Asian or they
382581:13
3826think you're Chinese or whatever so if
382781:15
3828people understood that that they'll
382981:17
3830never be like not Asian because they'll
383181:19
3832always look Asian they need to
383381:22
3834understand that first of all and get rid
383581:24
3836of the self-hate get rid of the whole
383781:25
3838division Venus get rid of the whole
383981:28
3840trying to be as American as possible
384181:30
3842type of mentality
384381:31
3844George trying to be as foreign as
384581:33
3846possible type of mentality get to get
384781:35
3848that out of their system first
384981:36
3850understand who you are as a person okay
385181:39
3852understand your own history understand
385381:41
3854your own culture then make friends with
385581:43
3856your other Asian neighbors because they
385781:44
3858look like you and they have similar
385981:46
3860traditions as you and they have similar
386181:48
3862histories as you and they have similar
386381:50
3864relationships as you just and that's not
386581:54
3866saying like oh you know we are why
386781:57
3868you're being why are you being so pro
386981:59
3870even and and you're being against other
387182:01
3872people that's not true at all look at
387382:02
3874you look at the European Union same
387582:06
3876thing it's not like that's like a bad
387782:07
3878thing it's a good thing because they're
387982:09
3880trying to help each other out because
388182:10
3882they're all part of that within that
388382:11
3884same area within that same continent
388582:13
3886within that same you know meet they all
388782:16
3888share the similar histories together
388982:17
3890they all share you know they think they
389182:19
3892do trades with it with it with each
389382:20
3894other their economy is tied with each
389582:22
3896other so yeah it would strengthen each
389782:25
3898other if they had an EU and which they
389982:27
3900which they did for a time you know I
390182:29
3902mean so that's all I'm saying is is that
390382:32
3904Asian countries you know at the result
390582:35
3906of colonialism is it has been set back
390782:39
3908you know several hundred years it's
390982:41
3910beneficial for Asian countries to try
391182:44
3912and lift themselves up by partnering
391382:47
3914with each other and ignoring honestly
391582:49
3916the foreign bullies that try to come in
391782:51
3918and try to separate us that's us that's
391982:53
3920really my point that's all I'm saying no
392182:56
3922that's really true that's followed up on
392382:58
3924that you know because I again not being
392583:01
3926racist but just being for the fact that
392783:03
3928as soon as you know the the whites
392983:07
3930arrived in Asia just being at the 17
393183:10
3932100-something you know that they started
393383:13
3934to figure out okay how do we get to
393583:15
3936conquer this place actually I'll tell
393783:18
3938you know the thing is there was never
393983:20
3940like an Asian envoy towards the West
394183:23
3942saying okay let's let's divide these
394383:25
3944countries you know there was never
394583:26
3946something like that well when they had
394783:28
3948the when the Europeans had the power
394983:30
3950they went to Asia and thought you know
395183:31
3952we see all these riches we want that you
395383:34
3954know be proud of the Asian heritage
395583:36
3956which you have either your Filipino
395783:38
3958either your Vietnamese Indonesian let's
395983:40
3960go further with Malaysia a no talent no
396183:43
3962there's a lot to be proud of and the
396383:45
3964thing is actually you should we regain
396583:48
3966that the pride that you once lost or you
396783:51
3968should emphasize it more because the
396983:53
3970thing is the future is in Asia let's be
397183:55
3972very clear-cut about that you know and
397383:57
3974the the thing is Westerners who went to
397584:01
3976Asia you know they often II had in the
397784:05
3978beginning time they had they wanted to
397984:06
3980study and to be friends if there was
398184:09
3982early early beginnings with the
398384:10
3984missionaries etc but along the way as
398584:13
3986soon as they learn your ways you know
398784:14
3988they would be like okay we can exploit
398984:16
3990this you know we need money and we can
399184:18
3992exploit these just think of it this in
399384:20
3994utterly this part about Indonesia mmm
399584:24
3996the the voz of the Dutch the Dutch how
399784:28
3998to say maritime company was the vo see
399984:32
4000it brought the Netherlands a lot of
400184:34
4002riches actually but no simultaneously it
400384:36
4004made the Indonesians very poor how did
400584:39
4006how did came to be for example you're in
400784:41
4008the old age in your view from Indonesia
400984:43
4010you have your your fishery you have your
401184:46
4012weaving baskets or you know you have
401384:49
4014your your small banking system whatever
401584:51
4016the thing is actually from one day or
401784:53
4018the other Europeans come to your Shores
401984:55
4020and say now ma'am serve you're my slave
402184:58
4022now how would you feel about that it's
402385:01
4024like what you know it's it's
402585:03
4026unimaginable and the Dutch actually I
402785:09
4028have to say that they extracted so many
402985:12
4030riches from from Indonesia the morning
403185:16
4032to the history books it's it's it's so
403385:18
4034much actually it's it's more than any
403585:20
4036other company in history ever had they
403785:23
4038have enough money that they couldn't
403985:24
4040count
404185:24
4042and they sort of stopped with by saying
404385:27
4044we have this company made enough money
404585:29
4046for the core members to be rich and not
404785:33
4048having to work for seven generation
404985:35
4050onwards just think about it seven
405185:37
4052generation hey hey I'd like that too
405385:39
4054guys I'd like that too
405585:41
4056I want to grow tall and fat and really
405785:45
4058big like six foot five right because I
405985:47
4060want to benefit off seven generations of
406185:50
4062surplus how about that so when people
406385:51
4064make like stereotypical comments about
406585:53
4066like Oh agents are short Asians are you
406785:56
4068know this and that was because we were
406985:58
4070malnutritioned we didn't have anything
407186:01
4072to eat
407386:01
4074we were poor because all foreign powers
407586:04
4076took it away from us anyways that's my
407786:06
4078comment go ahead keep going no but the
407986:10
4080thing is actually just think about and
408186:11
4082the the smart stuff about this company
408386:13
4084is actually when it was disbanded it had
408586:15
4086zero on the on the on the on the balance
408786:19
4088check actually but the core members were
408986:21
4090so rich that they started their own
409186:23
4092companies and now they're dominating the
409386:25
4094world if you look back you know all the
409586:27
4096Dutch banking systems which are quite
409786:30
4098well known throughout the world
409986:31
4100that they came actually from first
410186:33
4102initial investments from these these
410386:35
4104core families actually that made so much
410586:37
4106money it's it's unbelievable actually if
410786:43
4108yes the the the sad thing about the
410986:46
4110story is a lot of Indonesians still see
411186:49
4112the the current day threats as being the
411386:52
4114Chinese well a lot well they shouldn't
411586:54
4116have been poor a long time ago if they
411786:57
4118had just normal trade with China being
411986:59
4120in the old ages they probably have have
412187:02
4122have had a more steady path towards a a
412387:07
4124development which which suited them the
412587:10
4126most actually and for me
412787:13
4128I picked these specific parts in history
412987:15
4130because I really like to focus on on
413187:17
4132these parts because if you look at how
413387:19
4134the money flew how the money actually
413587:21
4136went everything went to the west and
413787:23
4138everything went to the west so along the
413987:26
4140way current day I think agents really
414187:29
4142need to reevaluate themselves saying hey
414387:33
4144you know we're rising on the world
414587:36
4146stage now it's not just China it's it's
414787:38
4148also Indonesia it's also Thailand you
414987:41
4150know the it will arise on the world
415187:43
4152stage now let's do the property let's
415387:44
4154let's have mutual trade let's have
415587:46
4156discussions and you know the thing is
415787:50
4158also with all the politics aside
415987:53
4160actually uh every year every every Asian
416187:57
4162country knows that their their their
416387:59
4164only important breakthrough you know and
416588:01
4166if they model this up if they if they
416788:03
4168really want to destroy it for themselves
416988:05
4170they should go to war you know but
417188:07
4172they're on a fragile balance now that if
417388:09
4174they push through this balance but
417588:11
4176working through it together and by
417788:14
4178really harnessing each other's strengths
417988:17
4180and powers they don't need the rest you
418188:19
4182know they can grow by themselves
418388:21
4184I'm not saying ignore the West because
418588:23
4186the West's as has still have have their
418788:26
4188own innovative ideas and it and you know
418988:29
4190that the technology you know Asus is you
419188:33
4192know they're quite are on a very high
419388:35
4194level but if agents work together you
419588:37
4196know that the thing is that they're on
419788:40
4198the verge of a new era actually a which
419988:43
4200modern-day asian nations can find really
420188:46
4202good benefit if they really just keep at
420388:51
4204the moment and just looking at your
420588:56
4206neighbors what they do what with how how
420788:58
4208how do they develop you know and we
420989:00
4210didn't learn from each other you know
421189:01
4212because they're putting putting their
421389:03
4214best practices in work now mm-hmm let's
421589:06
4216call it a difficult word a meritocracy
421789:09
4218it's really something which is in the
421989:11
4220asian nations now it used to be the old
422189:13
4222elites in asia there were they were on
422389:16
4224top but now that they they recognized
422589:17
4226that you know we have talent in all
422789:21
4228layers of our society you know we have
422989:24
4230poor people who might have a magnificent
423189:27
4232brain with magnificent ideas we need to
423389:30
4234harness that getting education for all
423589:32
4236and getting the best talent from within
423789:35
4238those ranks it's very important and I
423989:37
4240think along the way Asia's Asia is
424189:40
4242really becoming a place where people
424389:42
4244recognize that part you know and as
424589:47
4246having a a also a
424789:50
4248an idea that along the way the other
424989:54
4250economies are also rising I think Brazil
425189:56
4252should be doing better than it should be
425389:58
4254doing now but you know the BRICS
425590:01
4256countries yes yes countries Brazil
425790:03
4258Russia etc you know and they they really
425990:07
4260have the mindset you know weird on the
426190:09
4262dock you know we're not there yet you
426390:11
4264know and we should all band together to
426590:13
4266get there to get all all the people to
426790:16
4268be on a good level you know exactly and
426990:18
4270I really hope that they they really push
427190:21
4272through with these these initiatives and
427390:23
4274they really see benefit because the
427590:26
4276thing is we don't need Wars anymore the
427790:28
4278worst would be terrible wars would be
427990:30
4280will be destructive disrupting the
428190:32
4282growth and all the all the fragile
428390:36
4284advances that they have made still quite
428590:39
4286fragile but they need to push through
428790:41
4288really absolutely I my it's my grant on
428990:45
4290how it goes yeah and and my comment on
429190:47
4292that is and I think it starts with like
429390:50
4294like what I said not to repeat myself it
429590:53
4296starts with being woke yeah right it
429790:56
4298starts with being woke and I like how in
429990:59
4300Western society now it's you know Asians
430191:03
4302have more of a voice now on the Internet
430391:06
4304you know well the podcast that we're
430591:07
4306doing right here on the internet on
430791:09
4308social media things like that
430991:11
4310Asians used to not have a voice because
431191:13
4312you know the media is controlled largely
431391:16
4314by white people so Asians never used to
431591:20
4316have a voice so people were just shut
431791:22
4318down they were just shut out of telling
431991:24
4320their own stories their tolling of their
432191:26
4322own perspectives about things and people
432391:28
4324just didn't know what they just didn't
432591:30
4326know any better so Asians Asians
432791:31
4328themselves didn't know any better so I
432991:33
4330think the first element is starting to
433191:35
4332become woke understanding yourself
433391:37
4334understanding everything right what
433591:39
4336everything I just said and once you
433791:41
4338start becoming woke you start realizing
433991:44
4340okay the things that I used to think
434191:47
4342were not cool or the things that I used
434391:49
4344to think that I thought were
434591:50
4346embarrassing or the things that I think
434791:51
4348other people bullied me with are
434991:54
4350actually just all a part of society
435191:56
4352trying to tell me that I'm not good
435391:58
4354enough or trying to tell me that I'm not
435591:59
4356cool enough or trying to tell me that my
435792:01
4358Asian features are not
435992:03
4360attractive or telling me that my skin
436192:05
4362color is not attractive or things in my
436392:08
4364culture are too old and and and you know
436592:11
4366not cool and whatever and and all these
436792:14
4368things that are pressuring us from a
436992:15
4370day-to-day basis it spills on to society
437192:20
4372as a whole in general and you you get
437392:23
4374you get things happening you get you get
437592:25
4376you know situations like this where
437792:26
4378people you know live their lives and
437992:28
4380they feel inferior because of the power
438192:31
4382system that's pushed onto them and this
438392:35
4384is this is all going through Asia even
438592:37
4386today like in before and then even still
438792:39
4388now so a lot of people that grow up in
438992:41
4390Asia even today they have this mentality
439192:43
4392that okay I'm not good enough just just
439392:47
4394for being Asian I'm not good enough like
439592:49
4396I have to you know be more whatever be
439792:53
4398more Western you don't I mean I have to
439992:55
4400look a certain way I have to look a
440192:57
4402certain way like a Western Beauty
440392:59
4404standard or I have to talk a certain way
440593:01
4406like a Western talking standard you know
440793:03
4408and I'm not saying hey don't learn you
440993:06
4410know things outside of your world and
441193:09
4412don't learn things outside of your
441393:11
4414country obviously learn these things or
441593:12
4416I learn to speak you know five different
441793:14
4418languages you know it is only beneficial
441993:16
4420to you learn what's good about you know
442193:18
4422certain countries in Europe and how they
442393:21
4424manage their society and their lifestyle
442593:23
4426and their productivity and their way of
442793:24
4428life obviously learn those things learn
442993:27
4430the American Way of life learn learn
443193:28
4432learn learn learn learn is a good thing
443393:30
4434learning there's nothing wrong with
443593:31
4436learning the more you learn the more you
443793:34
4438learn the better it is the more walk you
443993:36
4440are the better but what I mean is don't
444193:38
4442put things up on a pedestal when they're
444393:41
4444not supposed to be there like identify
444593:43
4446things that are useful to you and kind
444793:45
4448of you know like Bruce Lee style like
444993:47
4450what he said identify things are useful
445193:49
4452to you and and assess them and absorb
445393:51
4454them and use them but you don't have to
445593:53
4456be so you know biased against yourself
445793:57
4458because a lot of people grow up in in
445994:00
4460Asia and they're they they don't
446194:01
4462understand a lot of these things have
446394:03
4464been pushed to them in terms of history
446594:06
4466and you know the the Western powers and
446794:09
4468stuff like that love you will go up and
446994:10
4470they feel like they're sympathetic to
447194:12
4472the West and they feel like they got the
447394:13
4474Stockholm Syndrome going on when reality
447594:17
4476you know reality is they actually
447794:20
4478colonize your ass before so you know
447994:22
4480people need to snap out of that a little
448194:23
4482bit people need to stop I guess I'll
448394:26
4484throw this word out there people need to
448594:28
4486stop the white warship a bit you know
448794:31
4488learn to love yourself first and then
448994:33
4490you can love others and then and really
449194:36
4492it comes down to the thing about
449394:38
4494self-respect and you can respect
449594:40
4496yourself first then other people will
449794:41
4498respect you and I'll put a cap on that
449994:43
4500and then I'll end it off that way so you
450194:48
4502know you're talking about you know of
450394:53
4504course your identity is unique can you
450594:55
4506tell the viewers or listeners right now
450794:57
4508what is the hawk identity and like tell
450995:01
4510me that the history about it what what
451195:03
4512is so unique about how people because I
451395:05
4514don't know much about how could be born
451595:07
4516and I don't think anybody else knows
451795:08
4518about how come people so talking about
451995:10
4520how people well to firstly start with I
452195:14
4522think there was a consensus and I think
452395:17
4524about 1990 or 1980 I'm not sure about
452595:21
4526that but it was one third of the Hong
452795:23
4528Kong Chinese people are in fact Hakka
452995:24
4530Chinese people okay so I'm probably hot
453195:27
4532covered well New Territories person well
453395:34
4534I'm born in Hong Kong was born in
453595:36
4536Kowloon my dad is my dad as Cantonese so
453795:41
4538from from Guangzhou right and my mom is
453995:45
4540Shanghainese okay well the thing is
454195:49
4542actually yeah one-third of Hong Kong is
454395:52
4544in fact octa but yeah they moved away
454595:55
4546from the Hakka traditions the huckle
454795:57
4548language and it's it's you know my idea
454996:00
4550when when I first see from what I can
455196:04
4552recall I think it was in 1990s when I
455396:06
4554first went to Hong Kong I could still
455596:08
4556remember you know that there was there
455796:09
4558was Hong Kong was this wide array of
455996:12
4560little dials because Cantonese it
456196:15
4562doesn't encompass the entire province of
456396:17
4564Canton it probably encompasses Cantonese
456596:21
4566encompasses a part of Canton region
456796:24
4568right yes
456996:25
4570Canton we can't count on province
457196:27
4572actually has a lot of dialects and I
457396:29
4574really love them too
457596:30
4576do you know that the reason I speak
457796:32
4578Mandarin is for me to be able to be on
457996:35
4580an academic level for Cantonese I also
458196:38
4582speak Cantonese quite fluently it's
458396:40
4584because you know a lot of my family
458596:41
4586members are Cantonese and I like
458796:43
4588Cantonese media but I couldn't find any
458996:46
4590Hakka media and for me that's that's
459196:48
4592quite a loss I'll get to the reason in
459396:52
4594the moments but the thing is actually
459596:53
4596when I was when I was first my first
459796:56
4598recollection when I went to Hong Kong
459996:58
4600somewhere in the 1990s was you know you
460197:00
4602had a lot of people who were speaking
460397:02
4604different dialects and it was just for
460597:04
4606me it was like a colorful array this is
460797:06
4608Hong Kong was about you know you have
460997:08
4610Cantonese which is leading the way
461197:10
4612because of convenience but it this way
461397:13
4614because of Hong Kong media right so
461597:16
4616comfortable Hong Kong media is a big
461797:18
4618influence right big influence and I like
461997:21
4620it for what it is you know I I like the
462197:24
4622the improvised way that they shot action
462397:26
4624movies and I improvised way that they
462597:29
4626you know just just did with the means
462797:31
4628that they had and they did a great job
462997:32
4630you know they make unforgettable
463197:34
4632classics yeah really
463397:36
4634absolutely gettable classics but the
463597:39
4636thing is actually for me in the media I
463797:41
4638never saw return of any of the other
463997:43
4640dialects III have a few memory per have
464197:46
4642many members who are toys Shan Shan is
464397:50
4644more or less popular people who are Y
464597:53
4646tau Y tau is also a small Dalek mm-hmm
464797:56
4648tanka I recently met actually a few
464997:58
4650tonka people who don't really speak the
465198:00
4652dialect they were which is quite a loss
465398:01
4654you know because that the Cantonese
465598:04
4656spoken identity is quite strong in Hong
465798:07
4658Kong and they haven't done anything to
465998:09
4660really make sure that Hong Kong remained
466198:12
4662that the the house they did their first
466398:15
4664society as it is because I think Hong
466598:17
4666Kong as a strength actually has in its
466798:20
4668diversity you're right you're right
466998:23
4670actually because I went back recently
467198:25
4672very very recently just a few weeks ago
467398:28
4674and I saw that it was even more diverse
467598:31
4676than I remembered I was actually
467798:33
4678pleasantly surprised I was like this is
467998:35
4680kind of cool I went back I saw more you
468198:38
4682know Indians I saw more Pakistanis I saw
468398:42
4684more I saw more wipey
468598:44
4686I saw obviously a lot of mainland
468798:47
4688Chinese people I saw some Japanese
468998:49
4690people too so I liked that Hong Kong
469198:51
4692well Hong Kong has always been an
469398:52
4694international city but I like that it's
469598:54
4696even more diverse now I think I think
469798:57
4698that's good it's it's a good thing I
469998:59
4700think it's a strength yeah definitely a
470199:03
4702strength my idea about this so though
470399:06
4704the media should emphasize a bit more
470599:09
4706the media should also emphasize it
470799:10
4708foreign because I get this asked a lot
470999:13
4710you know they say well where'd it come
471199:16
4712from I say I come from Netherlands oh so
471399:18
4714your English must be very well I you
471599:22
4716know something about mind says you
471799:24
4718should not assume that my English is
471999:25
4720very well or very good or you know you
472199:27
4722should not assume that because and then
472399:29
4724I have to explain in the Netherlands we
472599:31
4726speak Dutch in Germany
472799:32
4728we'll be speaking German yeah in Italy
472999:35
4730we speak Italian you know so for them
473199:37
4732it's like what are all these languages
473399:39
4734you know sometimes people are really
473599:41
4736like like you know foreign is English
473799:44
4738that's what they think and for me like
473999:46
4740no wake up you know it's it's not only
474199:49
4742like that mmm I have Swedish family
474399:51
4744members and the thing is I cannot speak
474599:53
4746to them in Swedish my Swedish sucks
474799:55
4748maybe but the thing is they speak
474999:58
4750Cantonese I can speak Cantonese with
475199:59
4752them you know so that that's you know
4753100:01
4754that's that's the wide variety of
4755100:03
4756languages and and thing and and how to
4757100:06
4758cope with with other cultures that that
4759100:08
4760that for me in Europe makes it more
4761100:11
4762convenient but getting back to to to
4763100:13
4764Hong Kong
4765100:14
4766I think the jaquez contributed quite a
4767100:19
4768lot to to very localized economies but
4769100:22
4770gradually the children their children
4771100:25
4772and their children's children started
4773100:27
4774you know pushing themselves away from
4775100:29
4776haka because there was also a short pier
4777100:31
4778there was also a period and which it was
4779100:33
4780was considered like oh you you you might
4781100:36
4782be bad you might you might not be
4783100:39
4784educated you might be very a rural
4785100:41
4786person if you speak haka I will tell you
4787100:43
4788this I am for example for my work I wear
4789100:47
4790a suit and tie and for most of the time
4791100:50
4792I'm quite well dressed and I still speak
4793100:52
4794fluently haka I had a few colleagues who
4795100:54
4796used to be haka and they're not speaking
4797100:57
4798orc Anthony
4799100:58
4800and they were like oh the association is
4801101:00
4802very weird for them you know mm-hmm
4803101:02
4804getting back to the to the the old ages
4805101:06
4806of the Hakka identity yeah where'd they
4807101:08
4808come from who were they who were they
4809101:10
4810yeah they were in basics they were
4811101:15
4812considered the nobility and the ruling
4813101:18
4814class of the Tang Dynasty why is that so
4815101:20
4816that they found old poems and all
4817101:24
4818phrases and know these things and they
4819101:26
4820can they only make sense if you
4821101:28
4822pronounce them in Hakka getting back to
4823101:32
4824more evidence getting back to more
4825101:34
4826evidence Korean Korean language ancient
4827101:39
4828Japanese and North Vietnamese it's still
4829101:41
4830a bit on the dispute but North
4831101:43
4832Vietnamese also they have they have
4833101:45
4834words that are direct directly uh are
4835101:50
4836you saying that they sound very similar
4837101:52
4838in Hakka give me an example
4839101:55
4840no no now I'm curious now I'm curious
4841101:58
4842you gotta give me some examples cool if
4843102:02
4844there are any Koreans listening I'll
4845102:04
4846start counting one to ten yeah I could
4847102:08
4848do that at Cantonese I Kohana said no
4849102:14
4850well I just count and I'll just let the
4851102:17
4852people analyze it for themselves start
4853102:19
4854with okay here it goes
4855102:21
4856eat me sound see mmm look see
4857102:26
4858but you see that was it there's counted
4859102:30
4860from one to ten that sounds almost real
4861102:33
4862listener okay okay go ahead what does it
4863102:36
4864sound like in Korean III I cannot
4865102:40
4866pronounce it in Korean but it definitely
4867102:42
4868has a large part of similarity I think I
4869102:46
4870thought that sounded more Japanese to me
4871102:49
4872each nice and she go rope seat hatched
4873102:53
4874cuju that sound more Japanese to me
4875102:55
4876actually Hakka Hakka is connected
4877102:58
4878through ancient Japanese as well yeah
4879103:00
4880and and the thing is that's where the
4881103:05
4882hot gas came from the jaquez were the
4883103:06
4884ruling class when when when all the
4885103:08
4886societies went to China because of
4887103:10
4888turn-based he was very open
4889103:11
4890learning they wanted to learn so they
4891103:13
4892invited all these other cultures here
4893103:15
4894coming learn from us we learn from you
4895103:16
4896but learn from us you know and that's
4897103:18
4898where the counting came from so you're
4899103:20
4900saying Hakka people were were Tang
4901103:22
4902Dynasty Emperor's they were basically
4903103:27
4904yeah that that's that's in short what I
4905103:31
4906say and no there's a nuance but yeah
4907103:35
4908that's basically where it came from
4909103:37
4910that's my idea at least and history
4911103:39
4912books also support this to a large
4913103:41
4914extent really interesting that you
4915103:43
4916mentioned that because because I heard
4917103:46
4918the same thing from my aunt and she said
4919103:50
4920that there was a certain dynasty within
4921103:53
4922Chinese history
4923103:55
4924I'm not sure if it was the Ming Dynasty
4925103:57
4926over it was the tang dynasty but sounds
4927104:00
4928like from what you're saying it's the
4929104:02
4930tang dynasty and they were saying how
4931104:04
4932there was a certain dynasty or where she
4933104:06
4934was saying how there was a certain
4935104:07
4936dynasty that spoke non Mandarin like
4937104:12
4938spoke Cantonese for example but now I
4939104:15
4940don't know if it's specifically
4941104:16
4942Cantonese or if it if it's Hakka but
4943104:19
4944they were saying the same thing that you
4945104:21
4946say Mandarin basically existed actually
4947104:25
4948for the last 300 years before that
4949104:27
4950Mandarin was basically a a tribe
4951104:31
4952language actually mm-hmm
4953104:33
4954Cantonese Cantonese is basically a
4955104:38
4956Cantonese has nine tones and they kept
4957104:40
4958their ancient tones very well the thing
4959104:42
4960is actually my Maya theory about is his
4961104:44
4962Cantonese is a descendant of the old
4963104:48
4964languages but it was mixed with very
4965104:50
4966local tones very local tones so the
4967104:55
4968thing was every every word or every
4969104:57
4970sentence every every verse or from the
4971105:00
4972north which was considered the
4973105:01
4974educational center that site through the
4975105:03
4976South which did the south
4977105:06
4978for example the Cantonese speaking group
4979105:09
4980would have accepted this this poem or
4981105:14
4982this this new word yeah mm-hmm they
4983105:16
4984would they would evolve it and mingle it
4985105:20
4986towards more than familiar sounds hmm
4987105:22
4988that's what what
4989105:24
4990what what developed in Canton no that
4991105:28
4992they basically this this that they were
4993105:31
4994always grounded and stationed in in in
4995105:35
4996Hong Kong or in Kowloon region and they
4997105:37
4998every new word that they got they they
4999105:41
5000modeled it towards their their familiar
5001105:43
5002sounds that's why for example in the
5003105:46
5004North you have a love the roar or a
5005105:47
5006sound right and the South you have a bit
5007105:49
5008more lively sounds yeah bit more lively
5009105:52
5010and they're much cleaner also to cut up
5011105:54
5012toes and also those those for the North
5013105:58
5014unfamiliar tones actually yeah what the
5015106:01
5016hackers were actually that they well
5017106:04
5018with every dynasty that comes there's
5019106:06
5020also times it goes and when the Tang
5021106:09
5022Dynasty was toppled they took their
5023106:11
5024household their their their their
5025106:15
5026personnel that they took their their
5027106:17
5028riches their royalties and etc noblemen
5029106:19
5030and artisans they took them all the way
5031106:22
5032southwards actually and to the Fujian
5033106:24
5034region you have the puja round houses
5035106:27
5036the two loaves hmm and they were they
5037106:30
5038were actually the first they at that
5039106:33
5040time they were nobility so they had
5041106:35
5042money so they need to build defensive
5043106:37
5044structures to be able to to defend
5045106:40
5046themselves and they were using at that
5047106:41
5048time the most latest newest technology
5049106:45
5050in defensive structures which they could
5051106:47
5052muster and they built these around not
5053106:49
5054all around that they're usually around
5055106:51
5056and the thing was actually wild around
5057106:53
5058because they don't have corners to
5059106:55
5060protect you know if you fuck if you
5061107:00
5062fought in Europe and you would have to
5063107:02
5064topple a medieval castle you would take
5065107:04
5066the corners because those are the most
5067107:06
5068fragile ones and these things you had a
5069107:08
5070round structure which is like a small
5071107:10
5072fort which had no corners so this was
5073107:14
5074one of the novelties that they had yes
5075107:21
5076yes it's it's written in history books
5077107:24
5078and it's like this and for me it's a
5079107:27
5080very sound reason and even the Japanese
5081107:29
5082pirates which were quite well known for
5083107:31
5084being heavily armed and battle savvy
5085107:34
5086that they left the two lows alone
5087107:36
5088basically
5089107:37
5090you had a peasant army inside who could
5091107:40
5092just arrow down every every because the
5093107:44
5094Japanese warfare was based on on getting
5095107:47
5096the center you know and I'm taking a
5097107:49
5098center and they're from conquering all
5099107:51
5100the sides but the thing is and actually
5101107:53
5102if you run alongside of a to low and
5103107:55
5104wanting to get to the center of these
5105107:58
5106these area with a lot to lows actually
5107108:02
5108there is no center mmm run around the TV
5109108:04
5110gets shot by an arrow hmm and so so
5111108:07
5112their armies were constantly being waved
5113108:08
5114in waved in and they're costly being
5115108:10
5116slaughtered so eventually they left the
5117108:12
5118two lows alone actually intersects haka
5119108:15
5120culture actually for it for a time could
5121108:18
5122thrive quite harmoniously over there
5123108:20
5124until they noticed that the the the new
5125108:24
5126dynasty government sent in there there
5127108:28
5128are you say there century units and
5129108:31
5130they're there police etc and they found
5131108:34
5132oh these are the people from this these
5133108:36
5134are the nobility of the old dynasty we
5135108:39
5136should wipe them out you know so a lot
5137108:41
5138of pockets that they were they were
5139108:42
5140afraid and they went further in
5141108:44
5142southwards ending eventually in the in
5143108:50
5144Guangdong region and made so also a bit
5145108:52
5146but also in Guangdong region a lot hmm
5147108:56
5148yeah that this being eventually also
5149108:59
5150being mingled with countries and also
5151109:01
5152moving southwards to its Malaysia to
5153109:03
5154with Singapore which Indonesia hmm
5155109:05
5156because they're really afraid because
5157109:06
5158they had that royal blood and if they
5159109:09
5160have royal blood you know and if you're
5161109:10
5162associated with Hakka then it's okay you
5163109:13
5164know this is new dynasty so we're gonna
5165109:15
5166have to kill ya you know mmm so so the
5167109:20
5168thing was actually they move downwards
5169109:22
5170and they also had a this was a haka
5171109:25
5172booty or at a bull day this meaning the
5173109:28
5174locals were already there because you
5175109:30
5176had a new wave coming and there was like
5177109:32
5178fighting for resources dehaka's
5179109:34
5180eventually that they settled for a very
5181109:37
5182inferred at that time in fertile lands
5183109:40
5184in the mountains because nobody wants it
5185109:42
5186because you cannot have a you know you
5187109:44
5188cannot plant stuff on a on a slope mmm
5189109:47
5190but eventually they found in
5191109:51
5192innovate pays to be able to plan stuff
5193109:55
5194have crops and have food and have
5195109:57
5196irrigation on these slopes so that's
5197110:00
5198that's in southern China in in southern
5199110:06
5200China region yen not upwards so flu ten
5201110:12
5202and it would have been seat ROM wouldn't
5203110:15
5204it wouldn't have been seat one seat Ron
5205110:21
5206is known for mountainous regions as well
5207110:23
5208or or rather region with a lot of hills
5209110:27
5210yeah yeah okay those those are the quite
5211110:30
5212high ones but also also local skirmishes
5213110:33
5214and you don't really need a very high
5215110:35
5216mountain no anything right was also yeah
5217110:37
5218hilly area you know which is which is
5219110:40
5220quite difficult to have a a Greek or on
5221110:43
5222it right right but even then they for
5223110:46
5224the sake of survival they had to to make
5225110:51
5226that ground useful for for planting soil
5227110:54
5228and anything for the Saturday right and
5229110:57
5230that's you're saying that Hakka people
5231111:00
5232eventually went from that to like all
5233111:04
5234the way to spreading like
5235111:05
5236internationally you said yeah well that
5237111:09
5238there was a there was uprising and
5239111:12
5240that's where my righteous part comes
5241111:14
5242comes into play you know the Ching
5243111:16
5244dynasty you it was selling China out on
5245111:18
5246a massive scale yeah you know that they
5247111:20
5248are there are some some writings about
5249111:24
5250why and how but my basic idea in short
5251111:27
5252it doesn't my basic idea in short is the
5253111:30
5254Ching dynasty first they conquered China
5255111:32
5256in probably 1600 something mm-hmm and
5257111:37
5258they had a whole of China they were
5259111:39
5260proud you know and let's let's let's
5261111:41
5262build this court let's let's you know
5263111:43
5264because they had the richest they were
5265111:44
5266suddenly they were shifted from from
5267111:47
5268tribesmen warring tribesmen into
5269111:50
5270nobility no they were they were the
5271111:52
5272Emperor's the were the courts they were
5273111:54
5274etc and gradually you know that they
5275111:57
5276went in China was falling asleep
5277112:00
5278actually that that's best word to use
5279112:02
5280over here they're falling asleep
5281112:04
5282and they sort of got too comfortable
5283112:06
5284with their own courts and they didn't
5285112:08
5286care about China nor China in total
5287112:10
5288anymore they just care about their
5289112:11
5290courts that their extended family
5291112:13
5292members and that all their courtesans
5293112:15
5294and and that their nobility was well in
5295112:17
5296fact so they were they were whatever
5297112:19
5298happened to the large extent of China
5299112:21
5300that they're being attacked they cared
5301112:23
5302but not so much they cared mostly about
5303112:26
5304their courts yeah they only care about
5305112:28
5306themselves which had a good lifestyle
5307112:30
5308yeah yeah so that's basically my theory
5309112:33
5310on why they because in essence they are
5311112:36
5312amongst amongst the group of ethnic
5313112:39
5314groups of Chinese but there are
5315112:42
5316basically there are molecules or tribes
5317112:45
5318from the north actually so major
5319112:47
5320beginnings were caring about China etc
5321112:50
5322but in the end that they sort of only
5323112:53
5324cared about their small you know the
5325112:56
5326lifestyles yeah about about if China was
5327113:00
5328bleeding empty you know yeah they only
5329113:03
5330care about their own ethnic yeah and
5331113:06
5332that's when the the Hakka Chinese sort
5333113:08
5334of like you know we used to be the the
5335113:11
5336Hakka Chinese also had a small revival
5337113:14
5338Renaissance I would use actually in a
5339113:16
5340Ming Dynasty and so those are the two
5341113:19
5342dynasties which had specifically Hakka
5343113:22
5344influenced the tang dynasty a small part
5345113:25
5346of the Song Dynasty I think but
5347113:26
5348definitely the the the Ming Dynasty and
5349113:28
5350they were used to when they were were
5351113:32
5352ousted in the Ming Dynasty they were
5353113:33
5354still used to the the the places in the
5355113:36
5356north you know they had their maps they
5357113:38
5358had their battle plans they were all
5359113:39
5360generals actually and the thing was
5361113:42
5362actually they were there was the Ching
5363113:44
5364dynasty was selling China out by masses
5365113:46
5366by the day China's getting poor no they
5367113:49
5368thought no we need to reclaim that
5369113:51
5370throne we need we need to be the
5371113:52
5372righteous ones to reclaim that throne
5373113:54
5374and they they they was spearheaded by
5375113:57
5376Hakka generals who wanted to say okay
5377114:00
5378we're bleeding and now we should retake
5379114:02
5380it now
5381114:03
5382you know but the thing was actually the
5383114:05
5384Qing had help from their their friend
5385114:08
5386enemies put it this way and they had
5387114:10
5388guns and etc so they were sir they're
5389114:12
5390the the the peasant army which was a
5391114:15
5392really peasant army
5393114:17
5394spearheaded the haka generals with with
5395114:19
5396all all the things that they could
5397114:20
5398muster they were marching towards
5399114:22
5400Beijing and I'm trying to reclaim
5401114:24
5402actually China as being Chinese
5403114:28
5404but it's so for context for historical
5405114:34
5406back which saw in my bed for for
5407114:37
5408historical context which dynasty came
5409114:39
5410first was it song and then song tang and
5411114:45
5412then Ming like tell tell us the orders I
5413114:48
5414think it was okay from me a long time
5415114:51
5416code it was the Han Dynasty
5417114:53
5418that's where Han Chinese came from then
5419114:56
5420you had a few dynasties and then he had
5421114:57
5422a tang dynasty was around nine hundred
5423114:59
5424something I think a bit before hmm
5425115:01
5426and then you had the the I think one or
5427115:05
5428two dynasties but then the UN dynasty
5429115:08
5430the UN dynasty was a Mongol dynasty
5431115:10
5432carnot cetera hmm and then you had a few
5433115:14
5434smaller dynasties with with a lot of
5435115:17
5436turmoil and one one one of the later
5437115:21
5438dynasties from from I think 1500
5439115:24
5440something correct me if I'm wrong it was
5441115:26
5442the Ming Dynasty the Ming Dynasty could
5443115:28
5444affirm staple or on China saying okay we
5445115:33
5446can close our borders
5447115:34
5448you're gonna restructure our countries
5449115:36
5450and and you know we're gonna revert to
5451115:41
5452old ways which was which was good but
5453115:43
5454also bad hmm
5455115:45
5456and they basically they because they
5457115:47
5458they weren't focusing on health care on
5459115:50
5460arts on developing themselves again hmm
5461115:53
5462but they were not fully aware that you
5463115:56
5464know in Europe we have a breeding nest
5465116:00
5466of warmongering colonists not really
5467116:04
5468worth it so so the Ming Dynasty was like
5469116:07
5470yeah we have gunpowder we have an army
5471116:11
5472but we will we all focus on pottery will
5473116:16
5474focus on arts will focus on medicine
5475116:18
5476medicines good you know for health care
5477116:20
5478right so that really advanced
5479116:22
5480technologies and those things and this
5481116:24
5482is what a a peaceful society would aim
5483116:27
5484for they would aim for the higher arts
5485116:28
5486they would aim for for having a
5487116:31
5488just a painting no but they would it
5489116:33
5490would paint with with yeah with with a
5491116:36
5492passion you know because they they
5493116:38
5494wanted to create an art actually
5495116:40
5496absolutely you know that barbarians on
5497116:43
5498their borders that was like okay in a
5499116:45
5500furious time will crumble your country
5501116:48
5502you know mm-hmm that's the thing yeah
5503116:51
5504getting back to a and the the the the
5505116:54
5506dynasty which I'm focusing on is it's
5507116:56
5508just a switching point of Ming Dynasty
5509116:59
5510towards the Ching dynasty and then the
5511117:01
5512end
5513117:01
5514mmm-hmm you had the Ming Dynasty which
5515117:03
5516was the Renaissance of the the Hakka
5517117:06
5518people and then they were ousted for the
5519117:08
5520Ching dynasty hmm and the remnants of
5521117:13
5522the Ming Dynasty which has a lot of I
5523117:17
5524would say they're well established in
5525117:19
5526martial arts as well you you find in
5527117:21
5528fact in because the loyalists of the
5529117:23
5530Ming Dynasty also have a certain
5531117:24
5532greeting no you have the the traditional
5533117:28
5534right hand and right hand fist and left
5535117:31
5536hand folded greeting in martial arts
5537117:32
5538where did that come from
5539117:34
5540with which dynasty did that come from
5541117:36
5542you said no it's it's the most common
5543117:40
5544one it's it's from Confucius actually
5545117:42
5546okay the right hand is a fist it's the
5547117:45
5548right hand is a fist and I can use it to
5549117:48
5550hurt you but I'm holding my left hand as
5551117:50
5552a as a envelopment of that fist right
5553117:54
5554and paying my respect as I I can't with
5555117:57
5556all yeah very very interesting I did I
5557118:01
5558personally did not know that part I
5559118:04
5560thought it was just a general greeting
5561118:06
5562from from you know coming from kung fu
5563118:08
5564coming from Chinese martial arts well
5565118:11
5566they have a lot of differences and I'll
5567118:14
5568tell you if you if you're into
5569118:15
5570traditional stuff just also go to back
5571118:18
5572may but may is one of the few really
5573118:22
5574aggressive martial arts it's aimed for
5575118:24
5576attack actually hmm and it has a
5577118:26
5578specific greeting as well which has a
5579118:28
5580lot of meaning to it which I won't delve
5581118:30
5582into but find it yourself
5583118:32
5584it's very interesting mmm-hmm but okay
5585118:34
5586so the loyalists of the Ming Dynasty
5587118:36
5588they all had their secret hand greetings
5589118:38
5590which if you were encountering opponent
5591118:40
5592and you would have a quarrel with them
5593118:42
5594and you say okay
5595118:44
5596my kind sir I I will challenge you to a
5597118:49
5598duel
5599118:49
5600yeah and then you would do the hand
5601118:51
5602greeting to engage your opponent and you
5603118:54
5604see that and you were like but you also
5605118:55
5606annoy least of the meanness yeah me too
5607118:57
5608you're like okay you know we have
5609118:59
5610greater battles to fight yeah yeah yeah
5611119:02
5612yeah you know it Shaw Brothers films
5613119:06
5614meet that they even they would travel
5615119:08
5616around they'd be like throw up a hand
5617119:10
5618sign to be like oh yeah I'm part of the
5619119:12
5620Ming Dynasty poncing fuck me yeah you
5621119:17
5622know them all I guess you know them all
5623119:18
5624yeah yeah well I don't know the actual
5625119:21
5626hand signs but yeah well just look into
5627119:25
5628them I'll explain them into detail in
5629119:28
5630another time maybe it's funny because
5631119:31
5632they were basically throwing up gang
5633119:32
5634signs they were the origin of gang signs
5635119:40
5636right there Chinese history gang sign
5637119:42
5638Ming Dynasty loyalists yeah and they
5639119:47
5640would say even if you're from rival
5641119:49
5642gangs you know and you could tell that
5643119:50
5644by the the the signs which they were
5645119:53
5646like okay you know we should not be
5647119:54
5648fighting each other we have greater Wars
5649119:56
5650to fight this is not this this should
5651119:58
5652not happen you know so that's the thing
5653120:00
5654how even the the the Chinese revert
5655120:04
5656pirates they said even have Chinese
5657120:06
5658pirates that they even have their code
5659120:08
5660of honor and a code of conduct and there
5661120:10
5662was actually on the turning point of the
5663120:13
5664Ming and Qing Dynasty there was also
5665120:15
5666these captains you know who were Navy
5667120:19
5668ship commanders am I supposed to now
5669120:22
5670turn to my loyalty the Ching dynasty but
5671120:24
5672that will return into piracy hmm and
5673120:26
5674they turn into vicious pirates actually
5675120:28
5676hmm but the Ching dynasty initially with
5677120:32
5678their beginnings they had good intention
5679120:34
5680for China as always you know every every
5681120:36
5682dynasty had good intentions but it
5683120:39
5684quickly you know I think two hundred two
5685120:42
5686hundred years later and everything fell
5687120:44
5688into decay and that's also when when
5689120:47
5690about the same time the Hakka Chinese
5691120:49
5692rose again and said okay we have to
5693120:51
5694reclaim the throne we have to get this
5695120:53
5696because we are we are being invaded we
5697120:57
5698leaving empty we're being we being put
5699121:00
5700against each other we are Chinese
5701121:01
5702brothers no but we could put against
5703121:04
5704each other just by no just put it this
5705121:06
5706way it's democracy or communism or
5707121:09
5708socialism all these Chinese my are these
5709121:12
5710Chinese standards they never wore
5711121:14
5712actually I you know I could ask any
5713121:17
5714person no it's it's these are not
5715121:19
5716Chinese standards it's all European
5717121:20
5718standards yeah
5719121:25
5720sorry hold your thought right there cuz
5721121:28
5722funny funny you mentioned like okay um
5723121:31
5724you know Qin Dynasty drove out you know
5725121:33
5726Ming Dynasty and then people who were
5727121:34
5728Ming Dynasty loyalists including the
5729121:36
5730Hakka people you know got driven down
5731121:38
5732the south and stuff like that what's one
5733121:39
5734interesting to note oh yeah and you said
5735121:41
5736some of them became pirates too right
5737121:43
5738is that what you said yeah so it's a
5739121:47
5740very interesting to note is like during
5741121:49
5742that time people might not know this is
5743121:51
5744that then they form like you know the
5745121:54
5746underground secret societies that were
5747121:57
5748you know martial arts sex and things
5749122:00
5750like that and religious sects and things
5751122:02
5752like that that were you know anti chain
5753122:05
5754government and they want to restore Ming
5755122:06
5756Dynasty oh that's all that type of stuff
5757122:08
5758and that's what led to actually the
5759122:11
5760origin of Chinese triads so people don't
5761122:16
5762drew people people don't you know who
5763122:18
5764don't know that people don't think about
5765122:20
5766that so they think like okay Chinese
5767122:22
5768triads are you know bad and stuff like
5769122:24
5770that obviously you know they I'm not
5771122:26
5772saying they're good you know they do a
5773122:28
5774lot of crime human trafficking jobs
5775122:30
5776things like that but originally when
5777122:33
5778Chinese Triad started out it was it was
5779122:37
5780meant to be a good thing they were they
5781122:39
5782were meant to be sort of like an
5783122:40
5784underground resistance type of people
5785122:43
5786you know Ming loyalist want to overthrow
5787122:46
5788the government you know a guerrilla
5789122:49
5790fighters like whatever you want to call
5791122:51
5792it whatever you want to turn them that
5793122:53
5794does basically what they were and then
5795122:55
5796you know eventually you know they lost
5797122:57
5798focus and then they you know things
5799122:59
5800happen and obviously history not being
5801123:03
5802kind of them and and eventually they
5803123:04
5804they just moved into just being being
5805123:06
5806actual gangsters but you know originally
5807123:10
5808they started out with good intentions
5809123:11
5810and that's what that they're the the
5811123:14
5812origin of triads were is that they they
5813123:16
5814have a term called eyeball right like
5815123:18
5816they love the country right they love
5817123:21
5818the country so much that they don't want
5819123:24
5820to see it fall into decay so they become
5821123:28
5822sort of like the rebel or they become
5823123:32
5824the the rebel faction which eventually
5825123:36
5826is known as triads but the origin is
5827123:40
5828that they are patriotic to the country
5829123:43
5830that's that's all I want to add yeah
5831123:46
5832well also adding to that you know that
5833123:49
5834they the Triads at that time really had
5835123:51
5836that code of comment every buddy who was
5837123:54
5838in that triad region must pay tribute to
5839123:56
5840tried so they can conduct their business
5841123:57
5842but they wouldn't like for example or
5843124:01
5844robbed a a old lady who would who is not
5845124:05
5846being able to take care of herself in
5847124:07
5848fact that there are a lot of tried
5849124:09
5850instances and a lot of instances trying
5851124:11
5852history at which the Triads actually
5853124:14
5854support communities actually people who
5855124:16
5856are not able to take care of themselves
5857124:18
5858money was given you know and the the
5859124:21
5860thing was actually also also in terms of
5861124:23
5862of justice for example if you if you
5863124:26
5864borrowed somebody's money and didn't pay
5865124:27
5866back and the people amongst each other
5867124:30
5868and the tribe would know about this then
5869124:33
5870they would seek out the person and they
5871124:35
5872would also like being hey you know
5873124:37
5874what's this you know so that the small
5875124:40
5876tribunals also also there the sense of
5877124:43
5878righteousness was correct in the core at
5879124:46
5880least you know so so that's very very
5881124:49
5882interesting to to put as a side note
5883124:51
5884yeah but getting back to the to the
5885124:54
5886grand the part of the story is that they
5887124:57
5888do the Hakka people waged wars against
5889124:59
5890that the the Ching dynasty was heavy on
5891125:02
5892the influence of opium and and always
5893125:05
5894listening to their to their foreign
5895125:07
5896friend enemy
5897125:09
5898actually who supplied them with new
5899125:11
5900gadgets new technology while the country
5901125:13
5902was robbed blank we're how come people
5903125:16
5904involved in the Taiping rebellion yes
5905125:20
5906definitely the the the leader was a
5907125:24
5908Hakka origin I see and all the generals
5909125:26
5910were were were Jaquez that they were
5911125:29
5912definitely Jaquez and they the thing was
5913125:33
5914actually the Hakka the reason why I am
5915125:36
5916quite easily being able to speak
5917125:38
5918Cantonese and also quite easily being
5919125:40
5920able to speak Mandarin is because Hakka
5921125:42
5922is situated in the middle it's a quite
5923125:45
5924large line it used to be quite large
5925125:46
5926language situated situated in the middle
5927125:49
5928this meaning I can adapt to Cantonese
5929125:51
5930and I can adapt to Mandarin this made
5931125:53
5932them very hard to say versatile hmm and
5933125:57
5934they had that quite big successes until
5935126:00
5936they were pushed downwards but by of
5937126:03
5938course gunpowder and and and cannons
5939126:06
5940mm-hmm but they established for short
5941126:08
5942period they established the Tai ping it
5943126:11
5944was called the Taiping rebellion but for
5945126:13
5946short period they were able to establish
5947126:15
5948the Taiping kingdom in South China
5949126:17
5950region actually Wow
5951126:20
5952yeah compasses quite a lot and and this
5953126:23
5954was quite a feat but you know the the
5955126:26
5956thing was it was ill managed because
5957126:28
5958they were it was ill managed and all the
5959126:31
5960you know if you have a war yeah I have a
5961126:34
5962common goal once you start okay we're
5963126:37
5964not gonna take the north anymore we're
5965126:39
5966gonna establish a kingdom okay but you
5967126:41
5968take this part you take this part out to
5969126:43
5970that part but the thing was the common
5971126:45
5972goal was gone so the focus was like
5973126:47
5974really being self-centered again and
5975126:50
5976people started doing their own stuff and
5977126:52
5978that's this how did the kingdom actually
5979126:53
5980fell also because everybody was doing
5981126:55
5982their own stuff again the common goal
5983126:57
5984for toppling the Ching dynasty was lost
5985126:59
5986it was it was um it was not toppled so
5987127:03
5988with with that mission incomplete
5989127:05
5990actually they went back and stablished
5991127:08
5992the kingdom when this Kingdom when a
5993127:10
5994tie-pin Kingdom having Kingdom fell the
5995127:14
5996hottest new okay we're in deep trouble
5997127:15
5998now some stuff speaking Hakka
5999127:17
6000some changed the surname you have the
6001127:20
6002the infamous Black Flag army
6003127:22
6004was a rebel general which went to North
6005127:26
6006Vietnam and that's that's where we're
6007127:28
6008Hakka people in North Vietnam should be
6009127:31
6010there are actually right now they're
6011127:33
6012still descendants of this Black Flag
6013127:35
6014army which was like a rock-hard like
6015127:38
6016going crazy chemical army that was put
6017127:41
6018on for the most difficult missions they
6019127:43
6020pulled it up every time so it was like
6021127:46
6022wow you know these are the old ages and
6023127:48
6024and you know also a lot of the old
6025127:51
6026traditional martial arts are encompassed
6027127:53
6028in in the Hakka lexicon of martial art
6029127:56
6030for example you have a style which is
6031127:59
6032called beggar style it's vagabond style
6033128:03
6034I don't know if ever heard of this yeah
6035128:05
6036movies man they make they make movies
6037128:07
6038out of everything so like what you just
6039128:09
6040mentioned Black Flag army and all that
6041128:11
6042stuff that was all in one way home one
6043128:13
6044once upon time in China one and and
6045128:16
6046you're saying beggar style yeah beggar
6047128:18
6048style so hungee
6049128:20
6050so how he is yeah to Mun Chuck I'm sorry
6051128:24
6052I'm probably saying his name wrong
6053128:25
6054Vincent Zhao played that plate place
6055128:28
6056Allah Yi Stephen Chow played so long a
6057128:31
6058beggar so yeah yeah and interesting
6059128:36
6060thing about what I know about the Vegas
6061128:38
6062style is actually it also has an idea of
6063128:41
6064waiting for whatever cost because as a
6065128:43
6066beggar why did they became beggars
6067128:45
6068because they were they were high ranked
6069128:47
6070officials who are really like not
6071128:51
6072wanting to do anything with a war again
6073128:52
6074they they wanted to move away from the
6075128:55
6076world this was actually before the Ming
6077128:58
6078Dynasty actually I'm not sure but anyway
6079129:03
6080they moved away from warfare they said
6081129:06
6082okay we have a lot of these knowledge of
6083129:11
6084warfare etcetera and I don't want these
6085129:13
6086politics anymore that's basically also
6087129:15
6088the Taoists way of doing you know you
6089129:17
6090you're not gonna choose a or b you're
6091129:19
6092gonna walk away and let a and B fight
6093129:21
6094for themselves and come back when it's
6095129:23
6096peaceful time or not you know a very
6097129:26
6098Taoists way of thinking I'm not sure I
6099129:29
6100agree with that well I I can I can walk
6101129:35
6102from a Western point of view
6103129:37
6104IIIi can't imagine that that you have to
6105129:39
6106choose factions or yeah if you have to
6107129:41
6108choose sides for example but basically
6109129:43
6110what what the the I'm not I'm not saying
6111129:46
6112you have to choose now I'm not saying
6113129:48
6114you have to choose sides but I guess in
6115129:50
6116the context of okay something's going on
6117129:55
6118in the world right something some
6119129:56
6120injustice is happening right and are we
6121129:59
6122just gonna sit by and let it happen
6123130:00
6124that's the part I don't agree with right
6125130:02
6126okay no no that's that's true but I'll
6127130:06
6128tell you the other side of story is
6129130:07
6130actually when when two countries fight
6131130:10
6132it's probably not your war
6133130:12
6134right right right of course the
6135130:13
6136Netherlands fights with Belgium
6137130:15
6138regarding you know the taste of
6139130:17
6140chocolates and lemons is better with
6141130:18
6142chocolate no the Belgians are better no
6143130:20
6144and let's go to war you know because our
6145130:22
6146chocolates are better no it's not our
6147130:24
6148fight it's not my fight you know I don't
6149130:25
6150care about your chocolates oh yeah yeah
6151130:27
6152yeah yeah in that in that sense yes of
6153130:29
6154course yes so so but the probably the
6155130:36
6156interesting also adding to this
6157130:39
6158information is also that they they had a
6159130:42
6160lot of knowledge of alchemy black
6161130:44
6162alchemy and white alchemy and they say
6163130:46
6164well this contributed to the part of the
6165130:49
6166part of ninjutsu also actually that you
6167130:52
6168know the the the Ninja is a very
6169130:55
6170intricate knowledge of how alchemy works
6171130:57
6172I see well that they say well problem
6173131:00
6174probably is also because these people
6175131:02
6176who are like weary of warfare and they
6177131:06
6178just went to other countries and started
6179131:08
6180practicing their art there and this
6181131:10
6182evolved for a small part contributed to
6183131:14
6184to ninjutsu also but when once the
6185131:17
6186Taiping rebellion was was raging they
6187131:20
6188were really needing recruits and they
6189131:22
6190were also recruiting beggars up in their
6191131:25
6192ranks because they had advanced
6193131:27
6194knowledge of very unorthodox warfare and
6195131:29
6196unorthodox way of approaching stuff and
6197131:32
6198they were really how do you say they had
6199131:35
6200a respectable rank in in the army you
6201131:39
6202know reinstated but it easily
6203131:42
6204hmm so it's interesting actually so
6205131:48
6206you know I want to kind of like put a
6207131:52
6208stamp on it and and wrap it up a little
6209131:54
6210bit so is there any final things you
6211131:57
6212want to say about how people and then
6213131:58
6214now I'll end it off with a question for
6215132:00
6216you good
6217132:04
6218well I would like to see a good balance
6219132:06
6220of the return of haka as a language was
6221132:09
6222spoken and I would also like to see you
6223132:11
6224more people active in the media because
6225132:13
6226it's inside you it's your identity it's
6227132:15
6228your how do you say your colorful
6229132:17
6230identity of within the Chinese ranks
6231132:20
6232actually know and like Cantonese like
6233132:23
6234like win Sony's like Shanghainese you
6235132:25
6236know they have their their own specifics
6237132:27
6238and I would like to see haka also have
6239132:29
6240their respectable level of hotness back
6241132:32
6242again yeah that's that's interesting you
6243132:34
6244bring that up and I'll wrap it up for
6245132:36
6246you based on that you know Mandarin
6247132:39
6248being such a strong influence right
6249132:40
6250Beijing being such a strong influence
6251132:42
6252with the government and everything like
6253132:43
6254that
6255132:44
6256Mandarin being being the you know de
6257132:46
6258facto Chinese language within China
6259132:48
6260obviously it erases it erases a lot of
6261132:53
6262the local dialects local cultures and
6263132:55
6264stuff like that because new generations
6265132:57
6266you know babies that are born in China
6267132:59
6268they're only gonna speak Mandarin so
6269133:00
6270they're not gonna be able to speak you
6271133:02
6272know Russia dialect or you know pseudo
6273133:05
6274dialect or you know Shanghainese dialect
6275133:09
6276and etc etc etc so I do feel like
6277133:12
6278they're somebody right and I don't know
6279133:15
6280who that would be that would have to be
6281133:17
6282somebody from you know the Hakka lineage
6283133:21
6284or somebody from the Shanghainese
6285133:23
6286lineage whatever it is locally from
6287133:26
6288there they have to produce their own
6289133:28
6290books and their own media and whatever
6291133:31
6292it is that they have to come up and do
6293133:33
6294that for themselves there because I
6295133:34
6296would or actually it might take a
6297133:38
6298foreigner right it might take a
6299133:40
6300foreigner that has fell in love with a
6301133:44
6302certain part of the you know culture in
6303133:46
6304China or the certain language in China
6305133:49
6306they fell in love with that thing and
6307133:51
6308then they try and preserve it because
6309133:53
6310they see an importance in preserving it
6311133:56
6312whereas a person that is you know on the
6313133:59
6314ground level living in China they don't
6315134:01
6316see the importance
6317134:02
6318because they don't they don't live
6319134:03
6320outside of the thing they're just living
6321134:05
6322within that ecosystem so they think oh
6323134:07
6324whatever it's part of everyday life it
6325134:08
6326doesn't really matter actually Japanese
6327134:12
6328scientists are really like trying to get
6329134:17
6330how do you say archiving and recording
6331134:20
6332all the old tones of haka because they
6333134:22
6334know it's it's certainly part in their
6335134:25
6336you know in their old heritage it
6337134:27
6338certainly is there's part in that
6339134:29
6340because you know I can list a well I
6341134:33
6342have a list of my computer with all the
6343134:36
6344words that that sound near similar to
6345134:38
6346haka in Japanese so they have they have
6347134:41
6348the money they have the time and they
6349134:43
6350have the the academics for it and that
6351134:46
6352there are a few Japanese scientists who
6353134:49
6354are really looking into haka culture
6355134:51
6356because they say well it is probably the
6357134:54
6358the origin tone of ancient Japanese
6359134:57
6360that's really really interesting I would
6361135:01
6362think like you know you know Japanese
6363135:04
6364people are kind of rooted in their
6365135:06
6366political sort of ways and they they
6367135:08
6368kind of like don't want to admit that
6369135:10
6370they they are you know not actually from
6371135:13
6372Japan that they're like ethnically a
6373135:15
6374different group of people and stuff like
6375135:17
6376that so it's interesting you brought
6377135:19
6378that up
6379135:19
6380yeah and just what to add for that you
6381135:22
6382know I understand the importance of
6383135:24
6384management and that the the the power
6385135:26
6386which is the current day has you know
6387135:28
6388I've been to Thailand and people if you
6389135:31
6390don't speak Thai you don't want to speak
6391135:33
6392English you can't speak Mandarin and you
6393135:35
6394know it's it's more accepted nowadays I
6395135:37
6396think wow this is great
6397135:38
6398you know I even met Cantonese people
6399135:40
6400over there by the way but understanding
6401135:42
6402that Mandarin is the overall language
6403135:44
6404and I am understand that Catanese has a
6405135:46
6406very strong and very likable media
6407135:49
6408influence I really like that the
6409135:51
6410Cantonese have a really found and found
6411135:54
6412that identity within China also you know
6413135:56
6414but just my dear port is for example so
6415135:59
6416in fact you know time yeah yeah he is
6417136:01
6418he's Hakka yeah lastly check that the
6419136:06
6420the singer yeah he is also Hakka yeah I
6421136:09
6422think there's some how they have
6423136:11
6424suppressed that identity and I like that
6425136:14
6426to be a bit more balanced
6427136:15
6428Stinney open not saying your let's let's
6429136:17
6430overlap and let's do mass media no no no
6431136:20
6432not like that I would like to see more
6433136:21
6434balanced view you know that people want
6435136:23
6436to have haka media they're able to do
6437136:26
6438that yeah I don't know it it's great
6439136:28
6440that you brought that up because now
6441136:30
6442that you've bringing this up okay now
6443136:32
6444now we can't end it now I got to keep
6445136:34
6446going so you mentioned that you like the
6447136:38
6448fact that Hong Kong media you know has
6449136:40
6450kept Cantonese identity alive and
6451136:42
6452everything like that I totally agree
6453136:44
6454with you and let me get into this for a
6455136:46
6456second because okay I'm from Hong Kong
6457136:47
6458so obviously I'm gonna be proud of my
6459136:49
6460Hong Kong identity but if you when it
6461136:52
6462comes to media right when it comes to
6463136:54
6464media obviously I'm also involved in in
6465136:56
6466media as well so when it comes to media
6467136:58
6468here's a huge problem I have with China
6469137:00
6470so Chinese media is so backwards to me
6471137:05
6472right and I've been into China and I've
6473137:08
6474have mainland Chinese friends and I've
6475137:10
6476talked to them and stuff like that and
6477137:11
6478they largely agree with me they're like
6479137:13
6480Chinese media is very kind of one tone
6481137:16
6482right it's always like okay let's do
6483137:19
6484some historical courtroom dramas
6485137:22
6486I sort of like historical you know
6487137:24
6488dramas based on like the courts and the
6489137:27
6490Emperor's and stuff like that and then
6491137:29
6492any TV show or whatever it's always like
6493137:32
6494okay Japanese are the enemy Japanese are
6495137:35
6496the enemy okay so it doesn't allow for
6497137:39
6498artistic freedom because of censorship
6499137:41
6500sand stuff so it doesn't allow people to
6501137:43
6502really truly talk about what they want
6503137:45
6504to talk about right what they truly feel
6505137:48
6506about the state of life existentialism
6507137:51
6508state of the country things like that
6509137:53
6510they can't talk about anything like that
6511137:54
6512so they always just go back to the same
6513137:56
6514old tired stories right soso Chinese
6515137:59
6516media in fact is just doing a really
6517138:01
6518shitty job at you know you know just
6519138:05
6520just making good art right that they're
6521138:07
6522really bad at making good art is because
6523138:09
6524art is supposed to reflect real life and
6525138:12
6526they can't make any art that reflects
6527138:14
6528real life because the censorship because
6529138:16
6530of the political tones so that's why
6531138:20
6532I've come in on this I'll figure you
6533138:22
6534know this yeah but okay you know I'm not
6535138:26
6536finished yet
6537138:26
6538I'm not finish it so okay
6539138:29
6540so the difference is when Hong Kong
6541138:31
6542became you know you know one of the
6543138:33
6544colonies you know along with Macau but
6545138:36
6546Hong Kong was very unique in the sense
6547138:37
6548that okay after it was British colony
6549138:39
6550yes
6551138:40
6552you know British colony colonisation is
6553138:42
6554a bad thing yes I understand that
6555138:44
6556bah blah blah blah but you know let's
6557138:47
6558look at it in terms of the positive side
6559138:49
6560let's look at okay what has British
6561138:52
6562colonisation done for Hong Kong and in a
6563138:55
6564lot of ways it has done a lot of
6565138:56
6566positive things so obviously you know
6567138:59
6568with with law with education with you
6569139:03
6570know the way things are run you know
6571139:06
6572it's much more advanced you you can say
6573139:10
6574again you know people from mainland
6575139:12
6576China they're gonna try and dispute this
6577139:14
6578and they're gonna say no that's not true
6579139:17
6580but my argument is and and here's my
6581139:21
6582proof of this I'll just I'll just prove
6583139:23
6584it to you like I've been to you know
6585139:25
6586several cities in China now I've had
6587139:27
6588mainland Chinese friends who've never
6589139:29
6590visited Hong Kong before but once I have
6591139:31
6592a one mainland Chinese friend who's very
6593139:33
6594very very proud to be you know from
6595139:34
6596Beijing China right and you know he's
6597139:36
6598very very cocky right what it was is
6599139:38
6600like you know being proud of China
6601139:39
6602everything okay so the second he stepped
6603139:42
6604foot into Hong Kong he fell in love with
6605139:45
6606it he's like you know Hong Kong's my
6607139:46
6608favorite city right so basically he did
6609139:48
6610a 180 he's like no no I'm super pro
6611139:50
6612Beijing I'm super China and then a
6613139:52
6614second e78 Hong Kong he's like oh my god
6615139:54
6616like this is what the potential this is
6617139:56
6618what the true potential of Chinese
6619139:58
6620civilization can be so once he got there
6621140:00
6622he fell in love with Hong Kong I fell in
6623140:02
6624love with the great things about Gaga
6625140:03
6626and everything like that so then I was
6627140:05
6628like I was pointing the finger at him I
6629140:06
6630was like hey you see what I mean like
6631140:07
6632you you you you talk a lot of shit about
6633140:10
6634you know British colonisation being a
6635140:12
6636bad thing and things like that and I get
6637140:14
6638it from a historical standpoint I know
6639140:15
6640it's not the nicest thing but it also
6641140:19
6642brought a lot of and I don't wanna sound
6643140:21
6644like you know Stockholm Syndrome person
6645140:23
6646here right now but what I mean is it
6647140:25
6648brought a lot of technological reform
6649140:27
6650and an advancement and then society
6651140:29
6652reform and advancements and in a way and
6653140:32
6654let me get back in the media part real
6655140:34
6656quick in a way because it brought a
6657140:38
6658sense of stability and prosperity to the
6659140:41
6660region
6661140:42
6662the city of Hong Kong to the region of
6663140:44
6664Hong Kong it allowed Hong Kong arts to
6665140:48
6666thrive and evolve and it goes back to
6667140:51
6668the art topic now
6669140:53
6670so for for art to develop you know the
6671140:56
6672economy has to be good so with the
6673140:57
6674economy being good and allows people to
6675141:00
6676pursue art and then when it allows
6677141:02
6678people to pursue art that's when you
6679141:04
6680start getting things that become
6681141:07
6682artistically significant and culturally
6683141:09
6684significant and then when you're able to
6685141:13
6686start producing works of art that become
6687141:15
6688culturally and an artistically
6689141:17
6690significant that contributes back to
6691141:20
6692your personal identity and personal
6693141:21
6694history that's when you start you know
6695141:25
6696getting yourself into that golden age
6697141:27
6698that flow era where everything you touch
6699141:30
6700is gold and it starts influence in the
6701141:33
6702entire world and we have to have to have
6703141:36
6704to talk about Hong Kong cinema okay
6705141:38
6706because Hong Kong cinema and Hong Kong
6707141:40
6708stars are completely on another level
6709141:43
6710when it comes to Chinese culture then
6711141:46
6712Chinese stars and Chinese media it's as
6713141:49
6714a complete difference okay so every when
6715141:52
6716it comes to dynasty when it comes to
6717141:53
6718Dynasty lifestyle podcast when it comes
6719141:55
6720to dynasty as a brand everything like
6721141:57
6722that ties together it all ties together
6723141:59
6724so for foreigners for Americans for fur
6725142:03
6726fur fur for anybody you know that's not
6727142:05
6728Chinese the first thing that they were
6729142:09
6730contacted with that they got in touch
6731142:11
6732with Chinese culture was from Hong Kong
6733142:14
6734it was produced from Hong Kong it was
6735142:16
6736films from Hong Kong cold food films
6737142:19
6738from Hong Kong action movies from Hong
6739142:22
6740Kong they were all Hong Kong Chinese
6741142:24
6742talent they were not talent from China
6743142:26
6744their talent from Hong Kong
6745142:28
6746so chow yun-fat right John Woo right the
6747142:32
6748killer a better tomorrow all that heroic
6749142:35
6750bloodshed all Hong Kong Chinese movies
6751142:37
6752obviously John Woo himself was was
6753142:39
6754Taiwanese person but he got his movie
6755142:44
6756start in the Hong Kong film industry
6757142:46
6758right you want to go back even more Shaw
6759142:48
6760Brothers right the whole Hong Kong Kong
6761142:50
6762foo film craze that swept America 70s 80
6763142:54
6764whatever okay Bruce Lee right all those
6765142:57
6766people are from the Hong Kong movie
6767143:01
6768industry it was the Hong Kong movie
6769143:03
6770industry that propelled them to that
6771143:05
6772level you want to talk about Jet Li
6773143:07
6774right here he a hero in China right he
6775143:10
6776wasn't a hero in China at the very
6777143:12
6778beginning in the very beginning he was
6779143:13
6780making like a few Rimon be per day in
6781143:16
6782his in his Shaolin movies he was broke
6783143:18
6784he was like no I had to find a better
6785143:20
6786way to do this so he came over to Hong
6787143:22
6788Kong sign some contracts with some with
6789143:25
6790some you know China Hong Kong movie
6791143:26
6792companies and then he found superstardom
6793143:30
6794in the Hong Kong film industry with once
6795143:33
6796upon a time in China and then boom he
6797143:34
6798was a household name so you know Chinese
6799143:38
6800people from the mainland loved to argue
6801143:39
6802that like hey you know like Hong Kong
6803143:42
6804people you know this and that like you
6805143:44
6806need to be you know you know you need to
6807143:46
6808check yourself even you come back into
6809143:48
6810Chinese society and stuff like that yeah
6811143:49
6812that I agree with but at the same time
6813143:51
6814you guys are doing a shit job with
6815143:53
6816Chinese media you're some saying the
6817143:55
6818Chinese move the Chinese mainland movies
6819143:58
6820that you make the Chinese mainland TV
6821144:00
6822shows that you make none of it is deep
6823144:03
6824none of it is deep none of it is
6825144:05
6826creative it's all the same shit same
6827144:08
6828shit
6829144:09
6830saying shit people are tired of that why
6831144:11
6832do people watch Hollywood movies why
6833144:13
6834don't we try these people mainland
6835144:14
6836Chinese people flocked to Hollywood
6837144:15
6838movies or what did mainland Chinese
6839144:17
6840people flock to Hong Kong and they
6841144:18
6842flocked to watch Hong Kong movies it's
6843144:20
6844because it's creative its artistic
6845144:22
6846there's real meaning in there because
6847144:25
6848we're allowed the artistic freedom to do
6849144:28
6850whatever we want if we want to talk shit
6851144:30
6852about countries or we want to talk shit
6853144:32
6854about the we want to criticize our own
6855144:34
6856government whatever we're allowed to do
6857144:35
6858that if we want to talk about triads and
6859144:38
6860we want to say how macho they are we
6861144:40
6862stop we want to see how cool they are we
6863144:42
6864can say that but Chinese censorship is
6865144:44
6866like no you can't say that you can't
6867144:45
6868show your Chinese triads in a cool way
6869144:47
6870okay well then a lot of the machoism is
6871144:49
6872gone a lot of the masculinity is gone
6873144:52
6874right so you can't be like oh you know
6875144:57
6876show a vicious violent you know you know
6877145:01
6878triad character or or or rebellious you
6879145:04
6880know Chinese
6881145:05
6882because because he can't be rebellious
6883145:07
6884because that would mean you're you're
6885145:08
6886causing rebellion against the Chinese
6887145:10
6888government no no if he if you want to
6889145:13
6890make a main character he has to be
6891145:14
6892heroic he has to be pro China he has to
6893145:16
6894be like a government hero he has it
6895145:18
6896could be a government servant that's it
6897145:20
6898he can only be rebellious to outside
6899145:22
6900forces but he can't rebellious be
6901145:24
6902rebellious to his own Chinese population
6903145:26
6904so that that there lies in a paradox
6905145:28
6906there lies in a conspiracy there lies in
6907145:30
6908a problem because there's all ties back
6909145:32
6910to Chinese kung-fu now so it means okay
6911145:35
6912you have to Train Chinese kung-fu you
6913145:37
6914have to do Chinese kung-fu but if you
6915145:38
6916say anything bad about Chinese Gogu
6917145:39
6918you're you're off the radar like we're
6919145:41
6920not gonna support you so that's a
6921145:43
6922self-fulfilling poison is a
6923145:45
6924self-fulfilling prophecies
6925145:46
6926self-fulfilling poison so which is why
6927145:49
6928so important that Hong Kong is on a
6929145:52
6930world stage it's so important to have a
6931145:53
6932place like Taiwan where other viewpoints
6933145:57
6934can thrive other viewpoints can survive
6935145:59
6936and it it acts as a check it acts as a
6937146:04
6938quality control so to speak a mental
6939146:09
6940checkpoint right so you can't be
6941146:11
6942brainwashed by your own Chinese media
6943146:14
6944because hey here's a check
6945146:15
6946here's a Hong Kong media here's a
6947146:17
6948Taiwanese media here's here's some real
6949146:19
6950artistic talent coming in from there
6951146:21
6952that's like a artistic check it's like
6953146:23
6954you gotta be on this level you know I
6955146:25
6956mean in order to pass the artistic
6957146:29
6958checkpoint it'd be like okay this is
6959146:30
6960this is legit this is authentic you know
6961146:32
6962I mean and that's not to say okay you
6963146:34
6964gotta be okay
6965146:36
6966Hollywood recognized or you gotta be
6967146:38
6968like Cannes Film Festival recognized you
6969146:40
6970gotta be French recognized
6971146:41
6972I'm not saying let's use Western
6973146:43
6974standards and and and put it on Chinese
6975146:46
6976media and put it on whatever to try and
6977146:49
6978make it seem like it's more Western to
6979146:50
6980try and make it seem like it's more
6981146:51
6982high-quality that's not what I'm saying
6983146:52
6984what I'm saying is in order to get to
6985146:54
6986that higher level of quality there's got
6987146:56
6988to be competition there's got to be you
6989147:00
6990know you you have to there has to be
6991147:02
6992free to be challenged there has to be
6993147:03
6994freedom is what I'm saying there has to
6995147:05
6996be freedom in art in order for art to
6997147:08
6998also challenge itself so there has to be
6999147:11
7000a healthy ecosystem of competition so
7001147:13
7002the Chinese media suffers from this
7003147:15
7004because of a self-censorship
7005147:18
7006like okay you can't challenge anything
7007147:19
7008right but that's why Hong Kong media was
7009147:21
7010so good at the time they're not good
7011147:23
7012anymore but that's why Hong Kong me is
7013147:25
7014so good at a time and it produced all
7015147:27
7016these Hong Kong stars all these Hong
7017147:30
7018Kong media all these Hong Kong
7019147:34
7020you know influences right anything that
7021147:36
7022you name right if you're a foreigner if
7023147:38
7024you're a guy living in Europe if you're
7025147:40
7026a guy living in America you you name all
7027147:42
7028these stars that you saw back in the day
7029147:44
7030that influenced you that influenced you
7031147:46
7032to into Hong Kong culture and the
7033147:47
7034Chinese culture that influenced you in a
7035147:49
7036kung fu culture is all comes from Hong
7037147:52
7038Kong media like let's not pretend here
7039147:54
7040let's not beat around the bush here it's
7041147:56
7042all Hong Kong media so that's the
7043148:00
7044importance of having other identities
7045148:04
7046right so so when when everybody gets
7047148:07
7048swept away you know in Mandarin or or or
7049148:11
7050or mainland Chinese identity and these
7051148:13
7052other identities gets swept away and
7053148:16
7054there's no artistic freedoms there's no
7055148:18
7056free thinking that's when it cripples I
7057148:22
7058don't want to say a crippled society but
7059148:24
7060I would say it cripples at least at the
7061148:26
7062very least cripples culture and a
7063148:29
7064crippled cripples art okay and people
7065148:33
7066underestimate that people think like oh
7067148:35
7068art it's just for a bunch of sissies who
7069148:38
7070you know who you know can't do anything
7071148:41
7072in society who can't you know you know
7073148:44
7074contribute to society and in a you know
7075148:47
7076whatever in a tangible way they just
7077148:49
7078make art you know art is like garbage
7079148:51
7080nothing no my argument is art is
7081148:54
7082actually more important than you you you
7083148:56
7084think art is the thing that shapes
7085149:00
7086cultures art is the thing that shapes
7087149:01
7088societies at least a very large part of
7089149:05
7090it so I think it's completely you know
7091149:11
7092you know simplified and I I think it's
7093149:15
7094completely simple way of thinking okay
7095149:17
7096unsophisticated way of thinking if
7097149:19
7098you're if you're gonna say okay art head
7099149:21
7100doesn't shape societies art doesn't
7101149:23
7102contribute societies I think a large
7103149:26
7104large part of society is a large large
7105149:28
7106large part of social engineering come
7107149:31
7108from art so in fact I would say art is
7109149:34
7110extremely important obviously you want
7111149:36
7112to support yourself you want to support
7113149:38
7114the people from an economical stamp and
7115149:41
7116from an economy standpoint first right
7117149:43
7118so once the economy is established right
7119149:45
7120so let's say you know China currently as
7121149:48
7122an example the economy is established
7123149:50
7124now now art is where they need to do the
7125149:53
7126catching up okay because they're years
7127149:57
7128years years behind you look at Korean
7129149:59
7130media you look at kpop Korean movies and
7131150:01
7132stuff like that they're doing an
7133150:04
7134excellent job they're doing a way way
7135150:07
7136way better job by telling their stories
7137150:10
7138representing their Korean media their
7139150:12
7140Korean stars their Korean culture look
7141150:15
7142at how huge it is right look at how huge
7143150:17
7144that other countries have to watch
7145150:19
7146Korean shows and Korean movies and stuff
7147150:23
7148like that and they can tell their own
7149150:24
7150stories and and they can shape societies
7151150:27
7152because of that and anyways going off on
7153150:29
7154a rant is so you talk about you know
7155150:33
7156ethnic influences from from from you
7157150:36
7158know certain local groups and dialects
7159150:38
7160and stuff like that
7161150:39
7162I'm proud Hong Kong I gotta tell you
7163150:41
7164about Hong Kong movies and how we
7165150:43
7166influence the world and that's basically
7167150:45
7168how it is so so the most of the known
7169150:47
7170world right now they've been feeding off
7171150:50
7172of Hong Kong Chinese culture for the
7173150:52
7174last twenty thirty years so that's the
7175150:54
7176Chinese culture that they know I'm
7177150:56
7178thinking we need to push beyond that and
7179150:59
7180we need to continue that right so with
7181151:01
7182the new Chinese money now right with the
7183151:03
7184new Chinese rich people now they're
7185151:05
7186investing so much money in the movies
7187151:07
7188and stuff like that now they gotta
7189151:09
7190invest properly they gotta make the high
7191151:11
7192quality movies not the same garbage
7193151:13
7194stuff that comes out and it's produced
7195151:15
7196by a Hollywood you know Hollywood film
7197151:19
7198producers and and Chinese people have no
7199151:21
7200clue what they're doing on the media
7201151:23
7202side so they just throw their money out
7203151:25
7204there and they're like oh you can make
7205151:26
7206us a Hollywood movie right and they end
7207151:28
7208up putting in there like your typical
7209151:30
7210white protagonist right saving China or
7211151:32
7212something like that you know that's BS
7213151:33
7214that like is part of the Hollywood
7215151:36
7216agenda that we touched on in episode 1
7217151:38
7218we don't need that Chinese people are
7219151:40
7220tired of seeing that shit we want to
7221151:42
7222make real Chinese media that speaks to
7223151:44
7224Chinese
7225151:45
7226all right we want to make real Asian
7227151:47
7228media that speaks to Asian people with
7229151:49
7230Asian heroes that are refreshing that
7231151:51
7232tell our own stories and we don't have
7233151:53
7234to be subjugated to Hollywood Way of
7235151:57
7236telling our stories we don't need that
7237152:00
7238we can tell our own stories we can be
7239152:02
7240independent of that we can be proud of
7241152:03
7242that and that's all I'm saying
7243152:05
7244and Chinese media has a way ways to go
7245152:07
7246because of their sensors should think
7247152:09
7248they need to you know deal with that
7249152:11
7250they have to work with themselves on
7251152:13
7252that and if they can't solve that then
7253152:15
7254hey you know what they do they come to
7255152:18
7256they come to Hong Kong and they make a
7257152:19
7258movie right they come and do a Hong Kong
7259152:21
7260co-production and they make a Hong Kong
7261152:23
7262movie so there's still a couple of
7263152:25
7264strong Hong Kong filmmakers there's
7265152:26
7266still a couple strong Hong Kong movies
7267152:27
7268that come out nowadays right even though
7269152:30
7270the output has slowed a lot since the
7271152:33
727290s the output has slowed a lot but
7273152:35
7274there's still quality films that come
7275152:37
7276out and do their thing
7277152:38
7278right and so today yeah yeah yeah all
7279152:45
7280right all right
7281152:46
7282no the thing is actually I I I'm here
7283152:48
7284story and I agree with it - let's say 99
7285152:52
7286percent really 99 percent it's maybe a
7287152:54
7288little bit nuanced here and there but
7289152:56
7290the thing is actually at the time the
7291152:59
7292British actually also had an agenda for
7293153:01
7294Hong Kong which when they actually
7295153:03
7296that's Hong Kong economy thrive in the
7297153:06
7298last 20 years actually of their brain
7299153:12
7300actually okay because create a Hong Kong
7301153:15
7302which would be by inheritance if when
7303153:19
7304China returned to Hong Kong would be
7305153:21
7306vastly different you know that I call
7307153:24
7308this to a large extent the layers of
7309153:26
7310separation because they create layers of
7311153:28
7312separation Cantonese Mandarin
7313153:30
7314the movies traditional Chinese know
7315153:34
7316traditional Chinese versus simplified
7317153:36
7318Chinese etc know that they let the
7319153:39
7320economy thrive for the last 20 years to
7321153:41
7322create a identity which would be largely
7323153:44
7324different from that of China actually
7325153:46
7326very interesting perspective okay
7327153:48
7328getting back to the other side getting
7329153:51
7330back to the other side of the story in
7331153:53
7332nineteen
7333153:55
733418 when China was just opening up you
7335153:57
7336know the thing was actually China was
7337154:00
7338just opening up they walked it that they
7339154:02
7340could see if they continued with their
7341154:04
7342their there how do you say that
7343154:08
7344governance which was rooted in old
7345154:10
7346fashioned communism that it would go
7347154:12
7348nowhere it's right that they wanted to
7349154:15
7350have the economy
7351154:16
7352which was which could how to say
7353154:20
7354challenge will be at least on a growing
7355154:22
7356level with the West while still
7357154:24
7358maintaining parts of their socialistic
7359154:27
7360communistic system okay the thing was
7361154:30
7362actually in 1980 you could not take one
7363154:34
7364newspaper from the board of Hong Kong to
7365154:36
7366China you could not do that basically
7367154:38
7368mm-hmm you know just look at 30 years
7369154:40
7370time with where they have gotten through
7371154:42
7372you couldn't have gotten news but you
7373154:43
7374one newspaper would have gotten you in a
7375154:45
7376lot of trouble mm-hmm yeah just to see
7377154:48
7378how all the progress has been made
7379154:50
7380during the years and my estimation which
7381154:52
7382actually is an expansion of your story
7383154:55
7384China was afraid of anything foreign so
7385154:58
7386even that newspaper would have been a
7387155:00
7388threat for them hmm
7389155:02
7390nowadays they're getting comfortable
7391155:04
7392with with seeing that a newspaper
7393155:07
7394wouldn't wouldn't overthrow the
7395155:09
7396government wouldn't cause mass storm
7397155:11
7398turmoil right now there there have been
7399155:14
7400put it put it for better words they have
7401155:16
7402been used to chaos for 200 years they're
7403155:19
7404tired of chaos ya know so that's why
7405155:22
7406they are snaps they are slowly they're
7407155:25
7408moving towards a more open open system
7409155:28
7410but they have to do it on their own
7411155:29
7412terms you have to show them but they
7413155:31
7414have to do it on their own terms
7415155:32
7416I accept it and I agree with that I
7417155:34
7418agree with that I'm not saying hey
7419155:35
7420there's that there's a problem with
7421155:36
7422Chinese government I actually think
7423155:38
7424they're doing a pretty good job I mean I
7425155:40
7426don't live there but from the things
7427155:42
7428I've seen from the things I've heard
7429155:43
7430from the things that I've learned
7431155:44
7432traveling I feel like they're doing a
7433155:46
7434pretty good job because you have to
7435155:47
7436understand it's like so many people
7437155:49
7438there right there's so many people there
7439155:51
7440and there's a lot of problems but you
7441155:54
7442know I would say they're doing a pretty
7443155:56
7444good job yeah
7445155:59
7446now every day that they keep China
7447156:00
7448together is the best thing for the world
7449156:02
7450you know because what would happen if
7451156:04
7452you start having factions you know start
7453156:06
7454having you know
7455156:07
7456that the neighbors would certainly
7457156:08
7458benefit or benefit out of the turmoil
7459156:11
7460actually because China has been used to
7461156:13
7462turmoil we probably won't see that
7463156:14
7464because I asked people when I talk to
7465156:17
7466people and they say yeah China is on the
7467156:18
7468rise now bloody blah you know it's going
7469156:20
7470where well but about and then I asked
7471156:22
7472them have you ever have you ever
7473156:23
7474questioned yourself why China now is
7475156:26
7476getting on the rise and what happened in
7477156:28
7478that the Blanc 200 years actually then
7479156:31
7480they start thinking oh yeah oh yeah then
7481156:33
7482the things start to rise you know that
7483156:35
7484like they have been putting it back into
7485156:39
7486recent terms they have to get used to
7487156:41
7488the fact that there are so many colors
7489156:43
7490to the world because they were scared
7491156:44
7492shitless of anything foreign actually
7493156:46
7494you know so the thing is actually if
7495156:49
7496they get used to their own terms
7497156:50
7498you know then they are able to to to say
7499156:53
7500okay we can let go of that nowadays take
7501156:55
7502a newspaper long nobody cares you know
7503156:58
7504but just think of this way a newspaper
7505157:00
7506now I mean a newspaper in the 1980s till
7507157:04
7508the internet of today it's it's being
7509157:06
7510monitored and they also say it it's
7511157:08
7512being monitored they they don't sneak
7513157:09
7514around and say oh yeah we're not
7515157:11
7516watching or maybe or maybe not you are
7517157:13
7518being watched
7519157:13
7520you know that's a thing but along the
7521157:15
7522way if they would have if they
7523157:17
7524understand that softening up does not
7525157:19
7526mean that falling a part of the country
7527157:21
7528because a long time ago and get this
7529157:24
7530China was the first democracy in Asia
7531157:27
7532yeah it wasn't had an elected president
7533157:29
7534but that didn't work on their terms at
7535157:31
7536that time you know they stir that
7537157:32
7538massive debt they had all kinds of
7539157:34
7540troubles and that didn't work for them
7541157:36
7542you tried it it didn't work you know so
7543157:40
7544the thing is to you must let them you
7545157:42
7546must point the way point the direction
7547157:43
7548and show that that for example you know
7549157:46
7550the bootleg versions of all the Hong
7551157:50
7552Kong movies in the 1980s to the 1990s
7553157:52
7554were readily available in China your
7555157:55
7556eyes and people you know they need to
7557157:58
7558gain time and in gain the the creativity
7559158:01
7560and need to gain the experience of how
7561158:03
7562stuff works mm-hmm along the way and I
7563158:06
7564already see this actually but the very
7565158:08
7566grassroots you know don't kill the
7567158:10
7568grassroot but the thing is that they
7569158:12
7570already are moving very slowly and they
7571158:15
7572must find their identity within that
7573158:17
7574media you know
7575158:18
7576mm-hmm also in terms of for example in
7577158:21
7578an anime they recently had made a few
7579158:23
7580big strides with a few anime it's not
7581158:28
7582Japanese like he's also not Korean like
7583158:30
7584but it's typically Chinese either and
7585158:32
7586they had you know once they had Kung Fu
7587158:34
7588Panda you know Hollywood DreamWorks
7589158:37
7590mm-hmm it was a kid in China Chinese
7591158:40
7592thought by themselves by reflection Y
7593158:42
7594can be ourselves not do that mm-hmm why
7595158:45
7596is that that pop that's not possible
7597158:46
7598mm-hmm so so you made them trigger
7599158:49
7600themselves thinking okay there needs to
7601158:51
7602be their stories we're a big country
7603158:53
7604there are stories over here you know we
7605158:55
7606need to harness those and I agree with
7607158:57
7608you that that that they have a lot of
7609158:59
7610these these have you say running of the
7611159:02
7612mill series of sets right now mm-hmm and
7613159:05
7614they're getting yes but on the other
7615159:07
7616hand you know if you're used to American
7617159:09
7618media or used to Western media you also
7619159:12
7620kind of figure out how to pop who works
7621159:13
7622oh yeah of course and I'm not I'm not
7623159:18
7624saying yeah I'm not saying by any means
7625159:20
7626that like oh these Hollywood formulas
7627159:22
7628are anything new no no in fact they're
7629159:24
7630really really really old and if you want
7631159:25
7632to you want to talk about getting to
7633159:26
7634Hollywood films I'll just I'll just for
7635159:28
7636one minute I'll say a lot of Hollywood
7637159:30
7638movies that come out these days is just
7639159:32
7640regurgitated trash okay and it's just
7641159:35
7642like remake this reboot this Oh what
7643159:40
7644comic book character can we grab out
7645159:42
7646that's like kind of original but really
7647159:45
7648it's not like how many goddamn superhero
7649159:49
7650movies do I have to sit through to get
7651159:52
7652to get to an actual quality film here
7653159:54
7654does anybody make films anymore right
7655159:56
7656so like Hollywood had its Golden Age and
7657159:59
7658I I don't feel Hollywood is anywhere
7659160:02
7660near that anymore they might come back
7661160:04
7662who knows but ah you're talking about
7663160:08
7664Scarface you're talking about Godfather
7665160:10
7666you talk about like films from that era
7667160:12
7668those were real films those are classic
7669160:14
7670films where they're telling a story
7671160:15
7672right they're not necessarily enough in
7673160:18
7674a formula right they're not necessarily
7675160:20
7676is a good ending there might be a bad
7677160:22
7678ending you know whatever it is but
7679160:23
7680nowadays it's like a formula that is
7681160:25
7682forming that form of that and I'm not
7683160:27
7684saying hey China you know come up with
7685160:29
7686some like you know copies
7687160:30
7688formulas and you know do what the
7689160:32
7690Hollywood Way you gotta figure it out
7691160:34
7692and do it their own way so I agree with
7693160:36
7694you I like I said so let's let's wrap
7695160:40
7696this up
7697160:40
7698I have one final question for you and I
7699160:44
7700think this is gonna be an interesting
7701160:46
7702one because I want to know maybe if you
7703160:48
7704know this or not so uh if you don't know
7705160:50
7706this it doesn't matter like I'll try and
7707160:52
7708find out I'll try and find out by some
7709160:56
7710other means but we we talked about like
7711160:59
7712okay over like 50 over 60 ethnic groups
7713161:03
7714in China what fascinates me what
7715161:07
7716interests me is not only do I want to
7717161:09
7718learn about each and every one of these
7719161:11
7720ethnic groups which will obviously take
7721161:13
7722a lifetime right but on a very base
7723161:16
7724level I want to ask you what group of
7725161:20
7726people are known for what group of thing
7727161:24
7728I'm curious to know about this so I want
7729161:28
7730to start off with what I already know
7731161:30
7732and I and and I hopefully you can
7733161:31
7734confirm and you can kind of add to it
7735161:33
7736right so to Tony's right choose oh nice
7737161:37
7738to tell people right to johnny's they're
7739161:41
7740known for being gangsters because they
7741161:46
7742came from a place that didn't have
7743161:47
7744anything political turmoil
7745161:50
7746economical turmoil they went down south
7747161:54
7748to hong kong
7749161:55
7750just like Scarface went from Cuba to to
7751161:57
7752Miami a famous to gel person of Tojo
7753162:01
7754descent was a limp hijo by home so we
7755162:06
7756kind of share the same last name but not
7757162:07
7758exactly but you know - whole but his is
7759162:11
7760hope so but written in English whatever
7761162:14
7762it's the same same word H oh so he was
7763162:17
7764known as by ho
7765162:19
7766Limpy ho because he was a feared
7767162:22
7768gangster who had a limp like his leg
7769162:24
7770limp so he was you know all the Chinese
7771162:28
7772gangsters all the Chinese triads they
7773162:30
7774came from - toe to toe nice right so
7775162:33
7776that's one interesting group of people
7777162:36
7778right - Joe dialect - Johnny's known for
7779162:39
7780being triads and
7781162:41
7782for being businessman and I think
7783162:44
7784they're known for being bankers as well
7785162:45
7786so so so Shanghainese right people who
7787162:50
7788come from Shanghai you know sort of to
7789162:52
7790the north right northeast you know a
7791162:56
7792little bit in the middle maybe you can
7793162:57
7794kind of say Minnie it's not really like
7795162:59
7796to north but like you know somewhere in
7797163:01
7798the middle but but east East China right
7799163:03
7800so Shanghai Japanese people they're
7801163:07
7802known for being businessmen right really
7803163:10
7804good business people and they're known
7805163:12
7806for being in in the fashion in the
7807163:15
7808textiles so big on textiles big on
7809163:18
7810fashion and big on being business yes
7811163:20
7812right big big on being business and to
7813163:24
7814get even more into that I heard from
7815163:26
7816from what what I've been told the people
7817163:29
7818from Ningbo if I'm saying that correctly
7819163:32
7820the people from Ningbo which is just
7821163:35
7822outside of Shanghai those are the really
7823163:37
7824really smart business women that come
7825163:40
7826from they're really really good with
7827163:42
7828numbers really really good with finances
7829163:44
7830really really good with business they
7831163:46
7832come on Ning ball I don't know why which
7833163:48
7834is why I'm interested to know why
7835163:50
7836exactly but but it's like certain
7837163:52
7838regions they they produce certain you
7839163:54
7840know tribes of Chinese people and then
7841163:56
7842they're good at certain things it's
7843163:57
7844pretty interesting so what else do I
7845164:00
7846know um so - Johnny's Chinese people
7847164:04
7848from Limbaugh but that's kind of to the
7849164:08
7850extent of my knowledge that's it so
7851164:10
7852anything else can you tell me
7853164:13
7854the tangka people they're usually known
7855164:16
7856for boating and they have their villages
7857164:18
7858or boats and they're situated in well
7859164:21
7860the the most watery parts of Hong Kong
7861164:26
7862any characteristics I'm not really sure
7863164:30
7864about any character is it the folk
7865164:31
7866people you're saying I can speak for my
7867164:34
7868yeah they're that Duncan people tongue
7869164:37
7870god oh yeah yeah I think they made a
7871164:43
7872movie out of that recently yeah I title
7873164:48
7874coming by about tanka people quite nice
7875164:51
7876I think III
7877164:53
7878I think the idea is quite nice that they
7879164:55
7880get in audience you know that they have
7881164:57
7882have a moment in which they say okay
7883165:00
7884this is us you know we're part of Hong
7885165:02
7886Kong as well we're part of guangdong
7887165:03
7888region and we're part of China yeah the
7889165:05
7890boat people
7891165:06
7892I think Aaron Kwok played the role
7893165:08
7894waffle singing played the role of the
7895165:11
7896boat people I think that's pretty cool
7897165:13
7898yeah you know I you have a big star
7899165:16
7900representing them which is which is nice
7901165:18
7902I just think that it's it's like a you
7903165:20
7904know it's it's an idea that you get
7905165:22
7906included into the larger part and not be
7907165:25
7908forgotten they're not be shoved away you
7909165:28
7910know yeah well I can say for the haka
7911165:31
7912yeah exactly yeah yeah I was thinking
7913165:34
7914about that you know and we are we are
7915165:36
7916quite being known for for better words
7917165:40
7918being quite traditionalists know we in
7919165:43
7920like traditions even with dining
7921165:45
7922etiquette you know we're quite
7923165:46
7924traditional with that and we have our
7925165:50
7926you know a little I say a little
7927165:55
7928characteristics within history and which
7929165:59
7930which makes us in a lot of ways we're
7931166:02
7932quite within China the gatekeepers of
7933166:04
7934the old traditional way of Chinese
7935166:08
7936actually mmm-hmm for better or worse
7937166:12
7938actually I must say this you know for
7939166:16
7940example yeah you know I my household my
7941166:20
7942family we're quite specific on how you
7943166:23
7944hold your chopsticks is how you behave
7945166:24
7946yourself during the dining it doesn't
7947166:27
7948mean that that it's like calm or
7949166:29
7950anything you know it's lively it's fun
7951166:31
7952it's it's it's tasty and you have
7953166:33
7954comments but also you know you must know
7955166:35
7956your position on the table and you must
7957166:38
7958respect the elders and also chopstick
7959166:42
7960etiquette how how you do that you know
7961166:44
7962it's it's well preserved within within
7963166:46
7964our say our specific language group
7965166:51
7966China I can agree with you about the
7967166:55
7968Ningbo people actually the Ningbo region
7969166:57
7970I met a few people who happen to be
7971167:00
7972women who happen to be very good
7973167:02
7974business people it's quite confer
7975167:05
7976quite confirming I'm trying to
7977167:07
7978understand why that is like what made
7979167:10
7980them do that what made them become good
7981167:11
7982at that yeah I don't have an explanation
7983167:15
7984for yet it's quite interesting that you
7985167:16
7986asked me because I I've sort of I've
7987167:20
7988seen it not confirmed I've seen it
7989167:22
7990happening but it's not confirmed by
7991167:24
7992somebody else and in this case you are
7993167:26
7994confirming it to me mm-hmm
7995167:28
7996you know which is quite interesting
7997167:32
7998let's see well yeah they have a few
7999167:36
8000regions here and there I think that the
8001167:39
8002the Shanghainese you know that they're
8003167:42
8004fashionable and they you know that they
8005167:45
8006they really are setting themselves as
8007167:49
8008the as the as the gatekeepers or the
8009167:53
8010main representatives of fashionable
8011167:55
8012China you know you have a brand called
8013167:57
8014Shanghai tang I think mm-hmm they're
8015168:01
8016really trying to keep the standard of
8017168:03
8018being yeah we're the ones who are
8019168:04
8020fashionable you know we're the ones who
8021168:06
8022are fashionable it's interesting you
8023168:08
8024brought that up because it's interesting
8025168:10
8026you brought that up because Shanghai
8027168:12
8028tang for the longest time I really like
8029168:14
8030their clothing but their price point is
8031168:17
8032way way too ridiculous it's for it's
8033168:20
8034it's their price point is like you know
8035168:23
8036you know if you're like really rich and
8037168:26
8038you're bored and you got nothing to do
8039168:28
8040and you want to buy a $500 t-shirt yeah
8041168:30
8042sure why not
8043168:32
8044so for the longest time I'm like damn I
8045168:35
8046really love this modern nice Han food is
8047168:40
8048modernized Chinese clothing style
8049168:42
8050whether it's the Manchurian style or the
8051168:45
8052Honshu style you know clothing from the
8053168:48
8054Han people Han Dynasty I really enjoy
8055168:51
8056that style of clothing you know the
8057168:53
8058modern Chinese clothing and I really
8059168:55
8060wish there was more of that and I really
8061168:58
8062wish it was more accessible to you know
8063169:02
8064not just people in China but accessible
8065169:05
8066to people outside of China foreigners
8067169:07
8068and stuff like that so I've been for the
8069169:09
8070longest time for the longest time I've
8071169:12
8072been seeking that out right I wanted to
8073169:16
8074get to it and and of course with dynasty
8075169:18
8076and everything
8077169:19
8078like that I want to make my own you know
8079169:21
8080modern Han food and custom Honshu and
8081169:24
8082stuff like that and you know we just
8083169:28
8084launched the Neo dynasty collection so
8085169:30
8086we finally you know after months and
8087169:34
8088months and months of work we were
8089169:35
8090finally able to do that so I feel like I
8091169:37
8092was able to contribute to Chinese
8093169:41
8094society in some way by taking the the
8095169:45
8096the great-looking style clothes that
8097169:48
8098come out of Shanghai come out of Chinese
8099169:50
8100a culture turn that into like a modern
8101169:54
8102style where you're able to wear it you
8103169:56
8104know in it to work wear it casually wear
8105170:00
8106it to formal parties where to business
8107170:03
8108meetings where to everyday life right so
8109170:05
8110that it doesn't look too gimmicky it
8111170:08
8112doesn't look too corny it doesn't look
8113170:11
8114too like Chinatown you know I mean so I
8115170:14
8116took like the modern styles yeah sooo
8117170:17
8118typical I took like the modernized
8119170:19
8120Chinese clothing styles and a little bit
8121170:22
8122Japanese a little bit Korean as well and
8123170:25
8124I released that in the night Neo dynasty
8125170:27
8126collection so I mean you know where to
8127170:31
8128get it check it out WWI dynasty clothing
8129170:34
8130store calm so really I was able to you
8131170:38
8132know take part of that and then push
8133170:39
8134that out there in into the the rest of
8135170:44
8136the world and that get people to
8137170:45
8138recognize what modern Han who was is
8139170:48
8140about and then I personally own those a
8141170:51
8142lot of those pieces I personally dig it
8143170:53
8144I personally wear it so I love it and I
8145170:57
8146was and I was hoping to to spread that
8147170:59
8148out there into the world spread Chinese
8149171:01
8150culture a little bit more and and also
8151171:03
8152I'm sure other people out there would
8153171:06
8154would love it and appreciate it as well
8155171:07
8156and I'm sure other people who go to
8157171:10
8158Chinatown and try to get these kinds of
8159171:11
8160you know Chinese type of clothes I think
8161171:14
8162they they as well as me and as I would
8163171:17
8164know that a lot of the clothes that you
8165171:19
8166see in Chinatown and stuff like that
8167171:20
8168they're they're kind of like you know
8169171:21
8170low quality you know low quality
8171171:23
8172polyesters you know stuff that doesn't
8173171:27
8174really fit that well stuff that's not
8175171:29
8176really silk but pretends to be silk you
8177171:32
8178know and
8179171:33
8180Buller you know people don't get to see
8181171:35
8182the real beauty of the Chinese fashion
8183171:38
8184or the Chinese style fashion so I was
8185171:41
8186able to you know hopefully bring justice
8187171:44
8188to that and and show people the the
8189171:47
8190Asian modern style retro fashion and
8191171:51
8192bring it to the world and then uh yeah I
8193171:54
8194must say a lot of people actually it's
8195171:57
8196being very well received actually we
8197171:59
8198only launched it for a few days but
8199172:01
8200we're getting a lot of yeah we're
8201172:05
8202getting a lot of attention we're getting
8203172:06
8204a lot of orders actually so I'm proud to
8205172:08
8206you know I'm proud to be a part of that
8207172:11
8208and I'm proud to be able to bring that
8209172:13
8210to two fans out there to you know
8211172:16
8212dynasty fans out there and to anybody
8213172:17
8214who's fans of you know Chinese culture
8215172:19
8216kung-fu and anything like that
8217172:22
8218definitely it looks it looks nice it
8219172:25
8220looks very well and I think you know it
8221172:27
8222needs some revival you know the thing is
8223172:31
8224there is no what I see for example is a
8225172:37
8226lot of the the stereotypical which I
8227172:39
8228really hate you know it's the Western
8229172:41
8230Way of viewing stuff and it's it's it's
8231172:45
8232it's not really you know it's it's not
8233172:48
8234really the Chinese viewpoint of how how
8235172:50
8236stuff should be exactly and also like
8237172:52
8238that yeah when I saw when I saw a few of
8239172:56
8240the designs I looked at okay you know
8241172:58
8242this is nice and you have you have good
8243172:59
8244characters you have your your your
8245173:01
8246everyday man you have your working man
8247173:04
8248you have your you have your no woman you
8249173:07
8250have your educated person yeah these are
8251173:10
8252all the the this is what the the
8253173:13
8254clothing style represents you know
8255173:15
8256evidence it has a variety which I like
8257173:18
8258which I really really like absolutely
8259173:20
8260man and it goes back to the whole
8261173:21
8262cultural appropriation thing and we're
8263173:23
8264not gonna get into that right now but it
8265173:25
8266goes back to that whole thing where you
8267173:26
8268know people view Asians and people view
8269173:29
8270Chinese people from a Western point of
8271173:31
8272view and from a Western lens and then
8273173:33
8274you know it's not like that so dynasty
8275173:35
8276exists as a way for people to come in
8277173:38
8278and experience you know Asian culture
8279173:42
8280the way that Asians would want you to
8281173:45
8282experience it the way that it really is
8283173:47
8284and that's kind of our objective so
8285173:49
8286anyways we're out of time so as well
8287173:52
8288thank you again tell me your Chinese
8289173:54
8290name one more time so I can remember it
8291173:57
8292in Cantonese you want it I'm sure okay
8293174:03
8294duck so turn it up something I some so
8295174:10
8296turn Dussel okay we're gonna turn this
8297174:12
8298awesome yeah I want to thank you for for
8299174:16
8300taking your time out obviously we you
8301174:19
8302know you know this was a long podcast
8303174:22
8304and you know really appreciate you
8305174:24
8306taking the time out of your day out of
8307174:25
8308your weekend to do this and we're
8309174:28
8310signing off and I want to thank
8311174:29
8312everybody who's listening in still if
8313174:31
8314you guys want to check out that neo
8315174:33
8316dynasty collection check it out and you
8317174:35
8318can use I use the code podcast to get a
8319174:39
8320discount off of that collection man so
8321174:41
8322thank you and until next time we'll see
8323174:44
8324you then
8325174:48
8326wait
8327174:50
8328still untold long
8329174:57
8330each sing
8331174:59
8332[Music]