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2Foe added Tristan to the group.Last Saturday at 10:11 PM
3Foe changed the channel name: Gennaian Isles DiscussionLast Saturday at 10:11 PM
4Dani added redninja685 to the group.Last Saturday at 10:12 PM
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6Foe - Last Saturday at 10:14 PM
7Since Kiln and Gennaia are of the same coin, but dramatically different in execution, I wanted to see what people from Exodus (biggest player group that essentially all have a plan to be Isles). Would like to see in Gennaia and what their ideal nation looks like. And lastly, what do you think of current state of Gennaian Isles in lore and in community? How do you think it can improve, aside from the addition of more articles? Would you like to see your currently drafted political policies integrated into the lore, or would you prefer we kept that separate?
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9I was thinking of reaching out via pms, but it’s gonna be a lot of people. Please add whomever you think will be important to add to this discussion. We can also add more things tomorrow when more people will be online.
10https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mtS9hw4e_ym_LS3Asrx3RSsaTMD93izyanqwSFa6tHU/edit?usp=sharing
11Google Docs
12First Laws of the Gennaian Islands
13The Kingdoms of the Gennaian Isles As presented by High King/Queen (Vacant) to the National Senate. First Reading: White Paper of Laws - To be presented for first sitting of the Senate. First Orders A High Crown Speech will be demanded to be read after the Royal Electors have...
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15Really wanted to discuss this a lot more - I haven't really read it in detail yet, but it looks interesting.
16July 1, 2018
17Foe - Yesterday at 12:56 AM
18@here if you could pull raxiam in to discuss as well, that would be most appreciated.
19Tristan added raxiam to the group.Yesterday at 9:22 AM
20Foe - Yesterday at 9:40 AM
21Wonderful. Thank you.
22So starting off, I think the most important question would be are there any other people you think belong in this private chat? If so, please grab them in as soon as possible so we can begin questions and discussion with everyone here.
23Next, I think I wanna try and digest the First Laws of the Gennaian Islands document pinned above. Is this up to date, if not - what prospective changes do you envision there to be, and would you like to see this integrated into canon lore or would you prefer it to be a separate gameplay piece? Either way I think there's a lot of good potential with the draft and I look forward to seeing how it is implemented in game.
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25Important to note is the distinction between Kilnholdt and the Isles, which I'm sure you are all more than aware of. However, I can easily see how the Isles might somehow lack the stability that was envisioned in the premise and original drafts of what the Isles are "supposed" to be. All it takes is a couple of prospective players not willing to play nicely with one another and cooperate with the Senate / central government. Will there be an efficient and effective way to combat this - placing trusted members in designated positions with the help of staff? Or is there a clause in the Laws that can determine how to handle arguments and actual drama that often does come with a community of this age and size?
26I'll be present on and off throughout this evening and today. Please take your time to respond and discuss.
27Thanks for your time and effort, everyone.
28redninja685 - Yesterday at 9:50 AM
29The law document is more about the opportunity to have a Senate and how its constituted. The only part of it that should be made canon lore is the idea of it, instead of calling it a Senate (which i know is an issue) we can name it a boule, that would be more greek. In lore it only has to be mentioned briefly that there is one, its more about legislation. As for the government i think the oligarchy of monarchs is one that can work along side this, that is the executive branch that does the day to day running of the nation. The Boule is something the nation head at the time can choose to allow to operate or not, that way we maintain an arrangement so that when a new nation head comes they dont need to obligate to it, simple mention that "The High King often allows for a Legislative Boule to operate an make laws for the nation".
30Those first laws themselves should be a practical guideline for constituting the Boule, I don't believe it is necessary to have it canonized, as the likely circumstance is that it may need to change in the future OR when a new nation head ascends and the other Kings and Queens still want a Boule, they can come to an arrangement with the new one to maintain all the current lore.(edited)
31So yeah a breif mention of a "Boule" in lore is probably the best option, that way it can be open for interpretation.
32Foe - Yesterday at 9:53 AM
33Cool. Luckily we still have the Gennaian government article we can work on to add it in.
34redninja685 - Yesterday at 9:53 AM
35nice
36Foe - Yesterday at 9:53 AM
37Wanted to discuss the concept of kingdoms and cities.
38redninja685 - Yesterday at 9:54 AM
39see how in the Ar-Selukk article there is only a breif metnion of a temple government https://atherys.com/canon-lore/nations/ar-selukk/ars-history thats sort of how i meant to mention it xD
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41Foe - Yesterday at 9:56 AM
42Yes, Dani and I discussed the importance of having shorter articles and brief mentions to allow for flexibility - I completely agree with that sentiment.
43On the islands and cities, since I assume each island will have at least one town (or at most, depending on server population), would it be safe to consider this a thing that will be for the playerbase to decide or should we start to get a foundation for what kingdoms there ought to be?
44Partly I want there to be a really nice balance going on - I suggested this to Dani earlier as well
45I think it would be grand to allow players to settle and set up their towns and kingdoms, but then once those are complete actually put those into the lore the weeks after the server launch.
46[8:12 PM] Foe: I for one think it would be pretty cool to wait until launch to see what the different kingdoms will be and then canonize them!
47[8:13 PM] Foe: Though that'd be a ton of fuckin work, it would be so badass. It would also prove that we aren't the Scribes - and that we are really trying our hardest to move things along for the players.
48[8:13 PM] Foe: I'm really excited to see what other characters the community will come up with in the #lore-character-discussion channel in the Official discord.
49[8:13 PM] Foe: Anyways, back to work.
50[8:27 PM] Dani: I wish we could do that but that's 100% a xathas decision
51[8:27 PM] Dani: It would be cool AF
52[8:27 PM] Foe: I'll go tell him about it ^^
53I haven't suggested it yet, as I would like to hear what all of you think of the idea.
54Alternatively, structure and some separation of lore and gameplay does help out sometimes(edited)
55redninja685 - Yesterday at 9:59 AM
56Thats interesting yee, I remember when we first had to apply for our governments at the start of v2 and anvil had some of the ideologies of the city state of Ar-Selukk canonized based on the lore of the Dheranates
57Foe - Yesterday at 9:59 AM
58^
59Though I'm not sure the effects that has on the future playerbase.
60Say for example one of the kingdoms falls into inactivity - it would be hard to explain lorewise
61redninja685 - Yesterday at 9:59 AM
62it was really generalistic lemme show ye that
63yee
64redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:00 AM
65https://atherys.com/index.php?/canon-lore/nations/ar-selukk/cities/aravhar
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67Foe - Yesterday at 10:00 AM
68then to retcon entirely a kingdom and erase player history - a cycle that would probably continue over the course of the server
69i wouldn't want to do that at all
70so unless you all think it would be okay and stable as a system, i'd be down.
71redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:01 AM
72I guess how ti was done is that it mentions the geography and enviroment, and then procure some traditions from the current government to make it 'permanent' but leaves out names and tribes...etc. things that are truely subject to change
73Foe - Yesterday at 10:01 AM
74So there's a decent amount of flexibility in it
75redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:02 AM
76yee
77Foe - Yesterday at 10:02 AM
78I'll give it some more thought and let the others respond before we move ahead with that.
79redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:02 AM
80yeah fair
81Foe - Yesterday at 10:02 AM
82The amount of potential hurt if we were to implement this system wrong would completely overshadow the amount of good it could potentially do for the community.
83Unlike Kilnholdt's rulers that can be explained away rather easily into both gameplay and canon (assassinations, coups, wars, etc.), the kingdoms are gonna be an extreme that might be too much to handle.
84In terms of heroes and heroines or the "pantheon" as I like to call it, what do you have in mind as a theology?
85The worship of Sjilea isn't exactly concrete in its terms and conditions.
86Some ideas and concepts that came up when Dani and I were discussing lore
87The pantheon as a sort of guide, with a big "holy" book of the feats and deeds of great legends that gets constantly updated over time.
88Sjilea as a patroness, and rather than referring to others as an example, try to outshine them for a boon of her favor.
89redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:07 AM
90pretty good, every Gennains' ambition is to be part of this book
91Foe - Yesterday at 10:08 AM
92Yes, and it can also represent the way Gennaian society works and functions.
93Be a model citizen, seize the day, leap without looking - but know how to land.
94etc. etc. with modern heroes and heroines being canon characters that players might be playing in-game.
95If we were going with this idea, there would be a council of elders or something that determine if a hero's feats are worthy of entering into the book
96or perhaps a trial of sorts to determine the most daring of Sjilea's worshippers.
97Could make for a nice annual event.
98redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:10 AM
99not sure if this has any relevance as to what you were asking but i was looking into a system to look after the noobs in the nation. It sort of mentions the preisthood and the university/ academy. Bare in mind i dotn like writing stuff so its condensed and rushed, so if anyone ever wants to take it and make it a bit better then thats good with me. But this was just an idea i wanted to run with when looking after the noobs
100The great chapters of Gennaia: Alós (Mind),  Táhros (Body), and Névma (Spirit). The Chapter house of Alós was established by the Artisans and Apprentices whom sought to save the Archive of Alós in 109AB. Alósian scholars knew of the prophecy that foretold the destruction of Alós, and they were prepared when the time came. As the volcano on the island began to stir, a great exodus ensued and most of what remained of the Alósian archives were moved to Falkynthos, the building that once housed this library has since adapted into the Chapter Academy of Falkunthos. The island of Alós now resides at the bottom of the Gennain sea, but its culture endures today. The Chapter House of Alós respects most reverently the mind, the ability to be strategic in command whilst having studies and logic support their principles. Most of the alumni of the Chapter House of Alós are great dreamers and thinkers, having the audacity to achieve great feats of construction, ideas, and strategy. You do not have to be clever to be in this chapter, just a will to be decisive and well thought out. As the most creative chapter, you will most likely find great commanders/ leaders and artisans in this chapter. Most of the Kings and Queens of Gennaia have passed and donned the ring of Alós on their fingers when they ascend the throne.
101The Chapter House of Táhros is named after Táhros the Almighty, and although having been defeated in battle against Queen Miniveera of Kastravos, he is renowned for his perfection of strength and the ideology of perseverance. Queen Miniveera was a cruel monarch, and her short but turbulent reign had driven most of her subjects into petty crime and despair. When she would dine on a great feast, the city below would only heart the weeping of the starved. Táhros, a general at her command began an insurgency against the Queen, having lost his wife and child in the famine and disease. He called the common people to arms, and led the fight in Kastravos, legend tells that whilst every man and woman killed another in one moment, he would kill five. It is therefore right that his statue in Falkynthos reflects the strength and masculinity, and whilst this Chapter House appeals to many young aspiring boys, many girls have passed its halls that have shown perseverance, even in the face of scrutiny and sexism. Táhros won every battle but the last, and whilst the Queen was never deposed, his impact resonated upon the successors of Kastravos. No greedy deed goes past without thinking of the perfect warrior-general, Táhros. Bravery, strength, willpower, and endurance/ perseverance, these are the principles that guide many to the Chapter.(edited)
102The Chapter House of Névma was the newest of the three chapters. It was established shortly after the council that installed Sjilea as Goddess and leader of the Gennaian people. The majority of the High Priests/Priestess's of Sjilea since the second calling have come from the Chapter House of Névma. The chapter House of Névma commonly represents spirituality, tradition, history, and Gennaian culture. This chapter has great influence on the Priesthood of Sjilea, and aims to preserve the Gennaian custom above all. Throughout the chapters history, great men and women have come and gone, extremist in both political and spiritual thirst thrive. It is in this chapter that politics and religion are almost indistinguishable, and the motto of the house since the Second Calling is: "Should Sjilea Ever Return". A constant reminder that everything that is done under this chapter is to preserve and celebrate Gennaia. The name Névma comes from High Priestess Névma who established the chapter. She believed that spirituality is the core of Gennaian custom, people should not be judged on hereditary terms, but on feats of daring and audacity just as Sjilea's domains dictate. Those of this chapter are not only reverent and pious, but also wise and brilliant talkers. A person who graduates from the Chapter House of Névma doesn't necessarily become a priest, you can often find them going out into the world and spreading stories, enticing people with their public speaking, and great advocates to monarchs and even leaders in foreign lands.
103The chapter colours of the individual houses: Alós = Gold, Táhros = Silver, Névma = White. Everyone who graduates from the chapter often dons a piece of clothing to represent their chapter house. In a time of unity and a display of authority, all the Chapter Houses order that they be united in the colour of scarlet red. Chapter houses often compete with one another on dares and ideologies, and in the Gennain spirit they do not seek conflict but a way to celebrate a long standing tradition of Gennain culture.
104Every child that seeks admission into the Chapter Academy at Falkynthos must also seek acceptance into the Chapter of their choice. Each chapter is governed by the High Priest of the Chapter (who can be appointed as High Priest of Sjilea upon the order of the High King or the Regent of Falkynthos [if the high king position is vacant]), Head of the Chapter (often a student or Alumni who has been elected in a boule of the Chapter) and the Chapter Prefects (appointed by the Head of the Chapter and works directly for him, and often teach lessons).
105(the last bit i dont really care about too much, and also I'm not too concerned about having it be canon neither, it was more of a thing to have when looking after the noobs)
106Foe - Yesterday at 10:13 AM
107Interesting.
108I'll get onto the topic of noobs a little later. It's a good opportunity since (at least I think) red will be nation head on launch?
109redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:14 AM
110I would like to i cant gaurentee it though
111Foe - Yesterday at 10:14 AM
112I'll put the stuff you added above into the OneNote and give it a read a little later.
113redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:14 AM
114oki
115Foe - Yesterday at 10:16 AM
116How do you envision handling new players?
117It was really good how we started to get things going in late Evo.
118redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:16 AM
119every capital were gonna have noob housing
120its up to each individual nation head as to how to look after them
121but for me i want to schedule daily lessons for noobs that range from general atherys lore, gennaia lore, and server mechanics
122Foe - Yesterday at 10:18 AM
123It's good you're making a prioritization of educating noobs, but don't you think that might distance them from the server?
124Personally I liked having interactions be more directly for their benefit - building a house, collecting materials, etc.
125What will your "graduation" program look like?
126(Not to say that lore and mechanics aren't to their direct benefit, but in-game activity always seems more apparent)
127redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:22 AM
128This was a thing we discussed in a meeting, we wanted to make sure noobs were looked after in the capitals. Removing the idea of noob towns, and giving that job to the naiton head and the capital. The noob system I'm thinking 'prepares' you for the server (this should likely only last two-three days) then after the system helps noobs find a town to join. You do not neccesarily graduate at this point, to advance in the system you would need to return (on a server event basis) after moving to your new town.
129The thing this elminates is noobs feeling that there is nothing to do
130and that no one cares about them
131If we can find a town for a noob on the first day, even better
132the academy is non compulsary but you can earn nick-nacks along the way if you come along, and thats open for EVERYONE who wants to adance in a chapter, not just noobs
133to be fair tho, this is more of a thing i wanted to do as nation head, less so about having it canon. That's up to you.
134Foe - Yesterday at 10:30 AM
135Ok
136Good that you've got a system you think will work
137I think making it canon would encourage other nation heads to follow suit.
138I like the idea of an academy of sorts, i guess.
139redninja685 - Yesterday at 10:31 AM
140yeah for the other capitals we need some sort of justification for their noob homes xD
141so if the lore team has ideas for those that would be cool for the build team to know too
142i will probs mention that in the meeting later if we have one
143Foe - Yesterday at 10:33 AM
144actually i think that's something for somewhere else xd
145This is just about Gennaia.
146Uhh
147any ideas about an ancient military
148dani was saying there wasn't much need for one, both because sjilea was awesome but also because it's too hot to do fighting
149but when there's fighting, it's bad. really bad.
150thoughts on that and how i might develop this from a lore perspective?
151unfortunately history is already put out so i'm not sure how much of that i can really change - but it'll be interesting to see how some cities or kingdoms formed. fighting and conflict are pretty much on the same coin to empathy and order.(edited)
152Foe changed the channel name: Isles DiscussionYesterday at 10:39 AM
153Foe - Yesterday at 10:42 AM
154@Tristan @Dani @raxiam Whenever you get on, I pinned some important parts of the conversation. Hopefully it's not too much that you can't get caught up. If you need a TL;DR or have any comments, concerns, or questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
155Tristan - Yesterday at 11:35 AM
156Fuck me 97 lol. Imma read up
157The Pantheon book sounds like you could pull some stuff from here. 
158http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Book_of_Brothers
159I also think the book is a nice idea, cause it something players can be immortalized in for their deeds on the server.
160Game of Thrones Wiki
161The Book of Brothers
162The Book of Brothers, informally called The White Book, is the tome that records the deeds of every knight who has ever served in the three hundred year history of the Kingsguard. The book is kept...
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165Tristan - Yesterday at 12:01 PM
166The "noob housing / noob education" idea is a good concept to have in each nation. But I think the whole backstory made up for it, might be to much "useless" info/lore for new players to take in.
167useless more in the sense of,  it would take up time / brain capacity to get your head around that school system before you can start to learn some actual server mechanics(edited)
168Military wise, I would imagine them not having a large general issue army.
169Maybe each island provides groups of highly trained or elite forces. Thinking along the lines of: Myrmidons/Marines, Praetorian Guard, Spartans, Sacred Band of Thebes(edited)
170redninja685 - Yesterday at 12:32 PM
171Noobs wont really need to know that anyways, their first lessons are about server mechanics, i (personally as nation head) would try to do one of those daily (at peaks times) if there are noobs that have joined that day, the main job of the academy is the server mechanic side and maybe a little gennaia lore, in the mean time I would contact the monarchs letting them know that there is a noob available. The chapter system is more or less for established players. That's the non-obligatory system to have some sort of event. Noob lessons are separate to chapter lessons is what im saying. I would prefer if noobs are sorted into towns before they attend chapter stuff. (we would probably have a gennaia rp thread to outline shit like that on the forums)
172Tristan - Yesterday at 12:33 PM
173Right, so you can heve guest lecturers and stuff
174redninja685 - Yesterday at 12:33 PM
175yeah
176raxiam - Yesterday at 1:52 PM
177Oh boy, 107 messages later.
178Tristan - Yesterday at 1:53 PM
179ikr
180raxiam - Yesterday at 2:22 PM
181Regarding the "first laws" and the constitution, I agree with Red that it should only be briefly mentioned to allow flexebility. However, I disagree with the obligarchy of kings alongside the "boule", not because we don't need an executive but rather because the High King should choose his cabinet, regardless if all kingdoms are represented. That's why the boule exists; to ensure the kings and queens sovreignty (read Town Rights) is not violated. 
182As I've been writing the contsitution, and the senate within, the main ideas have always been to create an institution that ensures proportional and democratic representation, that is able to hold officials accountable, and to complement and improve the current cookie-cutter model of governance (Nation Head + Government and Nation Meeting). The major flaw with having the Nation Meeting act as this institution is that descisions can be made without everyone getting a say on the matter, since the Nation Head's timezone more often than not dictates when the meeting is held. The second issue is that people can be added to the Cabinet and never have to face the citizenry and their critique, an issue we had great problems with in Roreg.
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184When it comes to "rowdy" players, we have planned to implement a judiciary headed by the High Priest/ess of Sjilea with a rotational jury of Senators from Kingdoms other than the offender. How we'd enforce these rules is very much unknown, but I'd imagine serious offenses would include some form of light social exclusion, like being banned from the boule. 
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186As mentioned, however, these things don't need to be canonized.
187Foe - Yesterday at 11:59 PM
188@here So the High King business.
189Could someone care to help explain your take on it?
190July 2, 2018
191Foe - Today at 12:01 AM
192From what I understand - each island has a senator they send - depending on pop, +1 senator each, each island has a King. Unsure how the King is elected - regularly cycled or voted in? Once a King is elected, they become the High King, and oversee the nation and are responsible for Falk? Or is it Falk's High King is just the High King and nobody else is the High King except for the one that resides in Falk?(edited)
193Or is it Falk is its own separate place, and though it's the cap, the King that resides there is just responsible for it and the High King title is cycled around / elected in and it doesn't really matter where you are?
194Tristan - Today at 12:03 AM
195Each island has a town, the town is a kingdom, the mayor is the king/queen.
196At least afaik
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198Foe - Today at 12:04 AM
199^ That's nice and simple.
200The High King is elected or cycled in?
201Tristan - Today at 12:04 AM
202Anyone can become high king. I think they are voted in the the Council.
203The issue we ran into in lore chat, was what happenens if a current King becomes high king. We ended up with they have to leave their town and become mayor of falkynthos
204So the town picks a new mayor/king because the old one went off and became nationhead/mayor-of-falk
205[But you know, if theres a better way of doin it we should do that]
206Foe - Today at 12:06 AM
207I see.
208Would it be too much to have Falk be run by a proxy? Gales and I did that in the Daggerlands during Evo and it went really well.
209Gameplay, he's still the "High King," but can return to and reside in his own town. A person is under their employ as the functional mayor of Falk.
210Of course, that relies on having a reliable enough person to run Falk.
211Which is something the High King is assumedly gonna be good at.
212If they get elected for running a tight ship.
213Tristan - Today at 12:08 AM
214Yea I suggested that as well, then Xathas went: stewards are the worst thing ever
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216Foe - Today at 12:08 AM
217^ That is true.
218Tristan - Today at 12:09 AM
219We never really got an argument against it tough
220Cause they'd only have to run the day to day
221Whilst the nationhead can deal with the higher important stuff
222Foe - Today at 12:10 AM
223His argument was based on the case that the lore High King is like Solodav Kasavik or the Lady Admiral.
224Stewards in his book mean old school nation heads that when they made decisions, would run adjacent to what was being said or done in the lore.
225So it's less about lore being the greatest thing in the world
226and more about restricting your ability to make those wide sweeping changes as a player.
227But I think he got the facts of the case wrong.
228What you're suggesting is exactly how Gales and I worked in Evo, and it went pretty well and would have been better had we gotten more active players.
229Tristan - Today at 12:12 AM
230As you said, it worked in the daggerlands. He'd be the literal mayor of Falkyntos
231Yea that
232Foe - Today at 12:12 AM
233I'm sure I can come up with a lore retcon or work around that could use this system.
234But from a strictly gameplay perspective, it might be something staff needs to vote on and discuss further. It's suggesting giving capital permissions to a player other than the nation head.
235While the nation head may trust said player, it's not the same as the nation head running the cap - something expected of the job in the past.
236Lucky for us Gales was able to workaround it with a minor title - not calling me the mayor, but a manager or something. Also, he spent a lot of his time in the cap as well so he still was functionally the mayor.
237I'll communicate it with Xathas and see what he says.(edited)
238He's offline right now but I'll communicate with you all when he does respond. :thumbsup:
239Could come up with a good lore story too for why the High King and the King of Falk are no longer one and the same. Dani brought up a good storyline of a one-time betrayal that could work well.
240Foe - Today at 6:00 AM
241Yo, so apparently everyone was wrong and there shouldn't have been any argument about the High King.
242[6:17 PM] Xathas: 
243Foe: Ideally, the mayor voted High King will stay in his town.
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245 correct!
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247Foe: Lorewise, this is difficult to handle. 
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249How so? There's 8 kings in 8 kingdoms. The High King is simply a political face among the international scene; while each kingdom manages its own affairs (including trade with the other kingdoms, alliances, etc.)
250The idea I really wanted to encourage was a moderator working towards managing the city itself, allowing the High King to do political affairs while still ruling from his own home kingdom and traveling to Falkynthos when the Kings meet. The King of Falkynthos [the kingdom] could in this case be a playable NPC by the nation moderator managing the town / assisting newbies (like moderators should do), and allows the King of Falkynthos to actually be a quest-giver for people to encounter and interact with!(edited)
251So rather than a player be running Falkynthros, he envisions a moderator or someone else responsible enough to do it.
252The idea that Tristan and I were discussing is essentially what Xathas wants, sans a regular player running the capital. The King of Falkynthros under Xathas's idea is a moderator controlled NPC that gives out quests and handles the capital. So essentially an active quest giver and an all the time roleplayer as the King of Falkynthros.
253@raxiam Whenever you're on, please let me know your thoughts after you catch up.
254redninja685 - Today at 10:40 AM
255I think its best to not go along the lines of npc and moderators again. As for what is done with the city, I think it best to just leave it for the nation head to decide as it has been done previously. The thing is for any nation we should try to avoid making the decision for the nation head for them. In lots of circumstances it can ruin their authority.  However in a lore sense I believe Falkynthos is its own independent Kingdom that is held by the person who also occupies the High Throne of Gennaia. Therefore being able to represent his own interests in the Boule. Similar in how the pope is also the Bishop of Rome, and the person who is the Bishop of Rome is always the Pope. The thing that begs the question is that if you install someone else as King of Falkynthos who is not the high king, it can become a conflict of interest, if the High King and the King of Falkynthos does not get along, then that's difficult absurdity. Things like this can be decided by the nation heads themselves, its up to them to delegate the position if they cannot do it themselves.
256For example when I stepped down as nation head, I offered to Dani to look after the capital, it was his call. Thats the way i think it should work
257The Kings and Queens are absolute, besides from having to align with anything the Boule legislates; the Kings and Queens make their own trade arrangements, laws, and decisions for their Kingdoms. The High King is responsible but not limited to: the Kingdom of Falkynthos and the Capital, the day to day running of the nation and ensuring each Kingdom has a working Government, Foreign policy, the national treasury, his own council (I've been referring to it as the First Council), the military...etc.
258Tristan - Today at 10:50 AM
259The way you spelled that might need a semicolon in there
260redninja685 - Today at 10:52 AM
261The way I hade planned for the nation head of Gennaia to be appointed is that an elector is sent to represent the Kings and Queens (unless the King or Queen goes themselves). After the candidates are sifted through by admins and moderators, the candidates are summoned to falkynthos to speak before the 8 electors (Falkynthos' elector is left in the last will of the previous High King). Each of the electors come with their own agenda and criticize the individual's characteristics and political policies, they literally ask questions to each individual and they try to draw a consensus with each other and the candidate in order to form a competent government. The High King would need the backing of the Kings and Queens as well as their belief of his confidence in the Boule. Once a general consensus is reached, the electors can grant permission for the candidate to ascend the High Throne.
262lel wot
263^nation head selections are a gameplay topic atm but we're waiting for final confirmation on Atvorias government before it is bought to staff meeting
264redninja685 - Today at 11:00 AM
265"The Gennaian Isles
266
267For Gennaia, the Magistrates and Justicars (us) will order all the Kings and Queens to congregate in the Throne Room of Falkynthos, which is put under strict guard. No one will be allowed to enter except the candidates beyond this point. If a King or Queen is unable to attend then they must appoint a personal elector in their stead. The Kings and Queens will 'interview' each candidate (more like interrogate) and see how to fit they are to be their hero and champion of the nation. Kings and Queens often come to the table with their own agenda and each candidate will be able to negotiate with the Kings and Queens collectively in order to put together a competent government. This system is less so democratic and more along the lines of coming to an agreed consensus, whilst the candidate for nation head is trying to convince the Kings and Queens of the other kingdoms to choose him as their nation head, he and the Kings/Queens must also negotiate amongst each other to an agreed consensus to form a competent Oligarchy to govern Gennaia. This would mean settling on different policies regarding the economy, foreign...etc."
268Foe - Today at 11:28 AM
269This is stupid
270We should try to avoid making the decision for the nation head for them
271redninja685 - Today at 11:31 AM
272But what if the king of falkynthos goes to war against the high king?
273There is no seat for his government in the capital
274Foe - Today at 11:31 AM
275What
276redninja685 - Today at 11:33 AM
277You said it was stupid
278Foe - Today at 11:33 AM
279My head is
280Cuz it can’t wrap around why the system looks so complicated.
281redninja685 - Today at 11:34 AM
282lol which bit?
283If its the bit about nation head selection its really for moderators and admins to have to deal with anyways
284Foe - Today at 11:35 AM
285Then why bring it up
286Like
287Dude
288redninja685 - Today at 11:35 AM
289Because I thought you would like to know how they are picked
290Foe - Today at 11:35 AM
291There’s so much shit
292Tristan - Today at 11:35 AM
293Its cause red likes to complicate it
294Foe - Today at 11:35 AM
295^
296Fuckin all I need is
2978 towns, 8 mayors. 1 mayor is nation head. They’re in charge of Falk. Fuck their town.
298Done.
299redninja685 - Today at 11:36 AM
300beurecracy is my spirit animal
301Foe - Today at 11:36 AM
302It’s retarded.
303Stop it.
304Tristan - Today at 11:36 AM
305lol
306redninja685 - Today at 11:36 AM
307Thats what i said, I thought you said that
308xathas wanted the king of falky to be seperate
309Foe - Today at 11:37 AM
310Yeah. Like Tristan said above:
311If being nation head means leaving ur original town, that’s kinda lame.
312Tristan - Today at 11:37 AM
313ON THE OTHER HAND
314redninja685 - Today at 11:37 AM
315Then delegate
316Tristan - Today at 11:37 AM
317It does force the nationhead to actually put effort into the nation
318ALSO
319Haed is writing the towns plugin yea
320We're thinking avout this in Towny terms
321Foe - Today at 11:38 AM
322Fuck it. You fucks are confusing and I’m too irked to really care anymore about this trash government system.
323Fuck the old town, nation head is v1 - Evo style nation head. No change save for Isles shitty attempt to include players in shitty politics with Kong’s and Queens and useless beautscrtad.
324Got it.
325Y’all can want something different on your own. I’m tired of asking people their opinions on shit that shouldn’t even be my problem to ask about.