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3Subtitles by explosiveskull
4akumenang.com
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62
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8CLERK: "Katharine Teresa Gun,
9
103
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12"you are charged
13with an offence
14
154
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17"contrary to Section 1,
18Subsection 1
19
205
2100:01:04,330 --> 00:01:08,531
22"of the Official Secrets Act
23of 1989
24
256
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27"and that you did knowingly
28and intentionally
29
307
3100:01:11,470 --> 00:01:14,270
32"disclose top secret
33intelligence information
34
358
3600:01:14,272 --> 00:01:16,141
37"contrary to the said act."
38
399
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41How do you plead?
42
4310
4400:01:21,012 --> 00:01:23,148
45Guilty or not guilty?
46
4711
4800:01:36,062 --> 00:01:37,997
49(BED CREAKING)
50
5112
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53(KATHARINE LAUGHING)
54
5513
5600:01:40,833 --> 00:01:43,532
57- YASAR: What?
58- KATHARINE: The neighbors will hear.
59
6014
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62YASAR: Let's move over.
63
6415
6500:01:51,042 --> 00:01:52,544
66- Better?
67- Better.
68
6916
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71FROST: (ON TV) And what about the
72situation of persuading the people?
73
7417
7500:02:04,322 --> 00:02:05,623
76Because it's very,
77to put it mildly
78
7918
8000:02:05,625 --> 00:02:08,290
81uncomfortable to go to war
82with 73% against.
83
8419
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86TONY BLAIR: If people are being
87asked today do you support a war,
88
8920
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91my answer to that
92is we're not at war today.
93
9421
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96I think especially,
97obviously, if the UN pass
98
9922
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101the second resolution,
102as I believe they will
103
10423
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106if the inspectors carry on
107saying he's not cooperating,
108
10924
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111I think public opinion
112is in a different place.
113
11425
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116When your correspondent
117was saying
118
11926
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121the war is inevitable,
122war is not inevitable.
123
12427
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126It depends on Saddam.
127
12828
12900:02:29,915 --> 00:02:32,316
130If he cooperates
131with the inspectors,
132
13329
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135if he says
136how much material he's got,
137
13830
13900:02:34,619 --> 00:02:36,552
140if he cooperates fully
141with them,
142
14331
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145then the issue's over.
146
14732
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149But he's not doing that
150at the moment.
151
15233
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154Bloody liar.
155
15634
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158They're all
159bloody liars.
160
16135
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163You know, actually,
164I don't think they are.
165
16636
16700:02:44,529 --> 00:02:46,163
168I don't think the weapons
169inspectors are lying.
170
17137
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173This and international
174terrorism
175
17638
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178are the two
179big security threats.
180
18139
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183- YASAR: Want coffee?
184- No, thanks.
185
18640
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188FROST: (ON TV) We were told,
189we were given to understand
190
19141
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193that what these inspectors
194were gonna come up with was
195
19642
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198evidence of weapons
199of mass destruction,
200
20143
20200:03:01,247 --> 00:03:02,878
203chemical,
204biological and nuclear.
205
20644
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208What we know is that
209he has this material.
210
21145
21200:03:05,784 --> 00:03:07,850
213Oh, my God, we don't know that.
214We don't know that.
215
21646
21700:03:07,852 --> 00:03:10,320
218I mean, he just keeps
219repeating the lie.
220
22147
22200:03:10,322 --> 00:03:12,656
223You sure it's a lie?
224Saddam's a psychopath.
225
22648
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228Yeah, well, just because
229you're the Prime Minister,
230
23149
23200:03:13,958 --> 00:03:15,793
233it doesn't mean you get
234to make up your own facts.
235
23650
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238FROST: (ON TV) Do you think
239you have the goods on him now?
240
24151
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243TONY BLAIR: I've got no doubt at all
244that he's developing these weapons
245
24652
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248and that he poses a threat.
249
25053
25100:03:34,245 --> 00:03:36,146
252- KATHARINE: Be at the cafe by 4:00.
253- I can fetch you at 5:00.
254
25554
25600:03:36,148 --> 00:03:38,515
257No, no, no. I was gonna
258get the bus. I love you.
259
26055
26100:03:38,517 --> 00:03:39,719
262Love you.
263
26456
26500:03:43,522 --> 00:03:45,156
266(BOTH SPEAKING MANDARIN)
267
26857
26900:03:49,059 --> 00:03:50,161
270(LAUGHS)
271
27258
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274(IN ENGLISH) Yes.
275
27659
27700:03:52,664 --> 00:03:54,997
278You know he has a place
279in Devon.
280
28160
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283He wants to take me
284surfing with his dog.
285
28661
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288- Is that a bad thing?
289- No, it's a great dog.
290
29162
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293Okay.
294
29563
29600:04:00,605 --> 00:04:01,937
297When was the last time
298you got away?
299
30064
30100:04:01,939 --> 00:04:03,507
302KATHARINE: Oh, don't know,
303three or four weeks ago.
304
30565
30600:04:03,509 --> 00:04:04,908
307We went hiking
308in Yorkshire.
309
31066
31100:04:04,910 --> 00:04:06,977
312MI-YUNG: Oh. Shall we all
313go hiking together?
314
31567
31600:04:06,979 --> 00:04:09,079
317KATHARINE: Yeah, that would be lovely.
318With the dog?
319
32068
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322MI-YUNG: Mmm. (CHUCKLES)
323
32469
32500:04:17,889 --> 00:04:19,090
326Oh!
327
32870
32900:04:23,095 --> 00:04:25,362
330Oh, thank you.
331
33271
33300:04:25,364 --> 00:04:26,832
334I'm starving.
335
33672
33700:04:28,533 --> 00:04:30,634
338I've been here
339since 5:00,
340
34173
34200:04:30,636 --> 00:04:32,435
343listening to
344a Russian embassy staffer
345
34674
34700:04:32,437 --> 00:04:34,670
348trying to bribe
349a North Korean defector
350
35175
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353who's been downloading
354some kinky shit.
355
35676
35700:04:36,508 --> 00:04:39,543
358- Very arousing few hours.
359- You're disgusting.
360
36177
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363(LAUGHS) It's for
364the Queen and country.
365
36678
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368MI6 thought the Korean
369was one of ours.
370
37179
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373I just proved he's not.
374
37580
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377GCHQ, 1. MI6, 0.
378
37981
38000:04:47,718 --> 00:04:49,019
381FIONA: Katharine.
382
38382
38400:04:49,021 --> 00:04:50,987
385I need your Beijing report
386for the Foreign Office.
387
38883
38900:04:50,989 --> 00:04:53,023
390They start trade talks
391next week.
392
39384
39400:04:53,025 --> 00:04:54,025
395Yeah, on it.
396
39785
39800:04:58,263 --> 00:05:00,131
399(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
400
40186
40200:05:04,336 --> 00:05:07,072
403(MAN SPEAKING MANDARIN
404ON AUDIO FILE)
405
40687
40700:05:22,054 --> 00:05:23,122
408(MESSAGE DINGS)
409
41088
41100:05:40,973 --> 00:05:43,006
412(READING)
413"As you've likely heard by now
414
41589
41600:05:43,008 --> 00:05:45,274
417"the Agency is mounting
418a surge
419
42090
42100:05:45,276 --> 00:05:48,845
422"particularly directed at the
423UN Security Council members
424
42591
42600:05:48,847 --> 00:05:51,213
427"minus US and Great Britain,
428of course
429
43092
43100:05:51,215 --> 00:05:54,417
432"for insights as to how
433membership is reacting
434
43593
43600:05:54,419 --> 00:05:56,752
437"to the ongoing debate
438RE Iraq.
439
44094
44100:05:56,754 --> 00:06:00,156
442"That means
443a QRC surge effort to revive,
444
44595
44600:06:00,158 --> 00:06:04,427
447"create efforts against
448UN Security Council members,
449
45096
45100:06:04,429 --> 00:06:07,331
452"Angola, Cameroon,
453
45497
45500:06:07,333 --> 00:06:10,670
456"Chile, Bulgaria and Guinea."
457
45898
45900:06:21,047 --> 00:06:22,047
460(SOFTLY) Andy.
461
46299
46300:06:23,282 --> 00:06:25,051
464Did you get this NSA e-mail?
465
466100
46700:06:26,852 --> 00:06:28,552
468Are the Yanks really asking
469us to dig up personal shit
470
471101
47200:06:28,554 --> 00:06:31,021
473on UN Security Council
474delegates?
475
476102
47700:06:31,023 --> 00:06:33,555
478"They want
479the whole gamut of info
480
481103
48200:06:33,557 --> 00:06:35,757
483"that could give
484US policy makers an edge
485
486104
48700:06:35,759 --> 00:06:38,728
488"in obtaining results
489favorable to US goals."
490
491105
49200:06:38,730 --> 00:06:41,098
493Christ, they wanna
494fix the vote.
495
496106
49700:06:41,100 --> 00:06:43,899
498"This effort will probably
499peak in the middle of next week
500
501107
50200:06:43,901 --> 00:06:46,336
503"following the Secretary
504of State's presentation
505
506108
50700:06:46,338 --> 00:06:48,273
508"to the UN Security Council."
509
510109
51100:06:50,509 --> 00:06:52,776
512Powell's gonna
513argue for war.
514
515110
51600:06:52,778 --> 00:06:54,476
517And they're gonna blackmail
518the smaller nations
519
520111
52100:06:54,478 --> 00:06:57,213
522to make sure
523they get it. Fuck.
524
525112
52600:06:57,215 --> 00:06:59,716
527Excuse me.
528(CLEARS THROAT) Question.
529
530113
53100:06:59,718 --> 00:07:00,783
532FIONA: Yeah.
533
534114
53500:07:00,785 --> 00:07:01,987
536(FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
537
538115
53900:07:05,756 --> 00:07:08,858
540Uh, this NSA memo,
541our people approved it?
542
543116
54400:07:08,860 --> 00:07:10,560
545Yes, that's why
546it's been forwarded.
547
548117
54900:07:10,562 --> 00:07:13,730
550The Americans want us to help
551them get a UN resolution for war?
552
553118
55400:07:13,732 --> 00:07:15,464
555By next week?
556
557119
55800:07:15,466 --> 00:07:17,736
559It's a joint
560UK/USA operation.
561
562120
56300:07:18,937 --> 00:07:21,206
564UKUSA. Right.
565Got it.
566
567121
56800:07:28,112 --> 00:07:30,949
569Hey, (CLEARS THROAT)
570ours not to reason why.
571
572122
57300:07:32,050 --> 00:07:33,617
574Everything good today,
575Mrs. Archer?
576
577123
57800:07:33,619 --> 00:07:35,651
579Yes, thank you. Very good.
580Very, very good.
581
582124
58300:07:35,653 --> 00:07:37,220
584I'll see you again
585tomorrow, yes?
586
587125
58800:07:37,222 --> 00:07:38,224
589Yes.
590
591126
59200:07:39,425 --> 00:07:41,192
593Thank you, dear.
594
595127
59600:07:41,792 --> 00:07:44,162
597- YASAR: Hey.
598- Hey.
599
600128
60100:07:46,465 --> 00:07:47,767
602You okay?
603
604129
60500:07:49,066 --> 00:07:51,834
606Yeah, it's been
607a long day.
608
609130
61000:07:51,836 --> 00:07:55,172
611I need ten minutes.
612Want something to eat?
613
614131
61500:07:55,174 --> 00:07:56,208
616No.
617
618132
61900:07:57,175 --> 00:07:58,641
620You working
621this weekend?
622
623133
62400:07:58,643 --> 00:08:00,410
625Could we go somewhere,
626get out of town?
627
628134
62900:08:00,412 --> 00:08:03,480
630Sorry, janum,
631I'll get next weekend for sure.
632
633135
63400:08:03,482 --> 00:08:06,548
635REPORTER: (ON TV) A question
636for the President if I may.
637
638136
63900:08:06,550 --> 00:08:10,687
640What is the status, in your
641view, of any second resolution?
642
643137
64400:08:10,689 --> 00:08:12,288
645Is it something
646that you think is worth
647
648138
64900:08:12,290 --> 00:08:16,259
650spending time and energy
651trying to assemble?
652
653139
65400:08:16,261 --> 00:08:17,994
655PRESIDENT BUSH: Just let me
656reiterate what I just said.
657
658140
65900:08:17,996 --> 00:08:19,865
660This is a matter of weeks,
661not months.
662
663141
66400:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,067
665Any attempt to drag
666the process on for months
667
668142
66900:08:24,069 --> 00:08:26,002
670will be resisted
671by the United States.
672
673143
67400:08:26,004 --> 00:08:28,538
675- Can we watch something else?
676- No, no, this is important.
677
678144
67900:08:28,540 --> 00:08:32,307
680PRESIDENT BUSH: Secretary
681Powell will make a strong case
682
683145
68400:08:32,309 --> 00:08:35,546
685about the danger
686of an armed Saddam Hussein
687
688146
68900:08:35,548 --> 00:08:38,682
690and he will also talk
691about Al-Qaeda links.
692
693147
69400:08:38,684 --> 00:08:40,517
695Come on, there are
696no credible links
697
698148
69900:08:40,519 --> 00:08:41,985
700between Saddam
701and Al-Qaeda.
702
703149
70400:08:41,987 --> 00:08:43,820
705PRESIDENT BUSH: ...really
706do portend a danger...
707
708150
70900:08:43,822 --> 00:08:45,254
710- I'll turn it off.
711- No, no, no, no, no.
712
713151
71400:08:45,256 --> 00:08:46,355
715Please,
716I need to watch this.
717
718152
71900:08:46,357 --> 00:08:47,724
720I need to know
721what they're saying.
722
723153
72400:08:47,726 --> 00:08:49,926
725I mean, yes.
726Yes, Saddam is a dictator,
727
728154
72900:08:49,928 --> 00:08:51,394
730but he is not
731a religious nut.
732
733155
73400:08:51,396 --> 00:08:53,730
735I mean, why would
736he risk arming Al-Qaeda
737
738156
73900:08:53,732 --> 00:08:56,666
740and have them turn against him?
741It doesn't make any sense!
742
743157
74400:08:56,668 --> 00:08:57,933
745Fine, but yelling
746at the TV
747
748158
74900:08:57,935 --> 00:08:59,769
750isn't going to make
751any difference.
752
753159
75400:08:59,771 --> 00:09:02,672
755They can't bloody
756hear you.
757
758160
75900:09:02,674 --> 00:09:04,206
760- Where you going?
761- To read a book.
762
763161
76400:09:04,208 --> 00:09:06,509
765PRESIDENT BUSH: You see,
766my vision shifted dramatically
767
768162
76900:09:06,511 --> 00:09:08,010
770after September 11.
771
772163
77300:09:08,012 --> 00:09:09,379
774I realized
775the world has changed.
776
777164
77800:09:09,381 --> 00:09:11,913
779My most important obligation
780is to protect
781
782165
78300:09:11,915 --> 00:09:14,083
784the American people
785from further harm.
786
787166
78800:09:14,085 --> 00:09:16,020
789And I will do that.
790
791167
79200:09:16,854 --> 00:09:18,289
793Thank you all very much.
794
795168
79600:09:20,657 --> 00:09:21,960
797(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING)
798
799169
80000:09:27,098 --> 00:09:29,432
801- Love you.
802- Love you.
803
804170
80500:09:29,434 --> 00:09:31,403
806Don't forget to check
807in at the station.
808
809171
81000:09:32,636 --> 00:09:34,236
811What are you gonna do?
812
813172
81400:09:34,238 --> 00:09:37,573
815I don't know.
816Read a book. (GIGGLES)
817
818173
81900:09:37,575 --> 00:09:39,110
820I'll be back
821by 7:00 latest.
822
823174
82400:09:42,814 --> 00:09:44,049
825(CAR ENGINE STARTS)
826
827175
82800:09:54,793 --> 00:09:57,363
829- Mr. Gun. Signing in?
830- YASAR: Yes, thank you.
831
832176
83300:09:57,795 --> 00:09:58,997
834(BELL BUZZES)
835
836177
83700:10:02,534 --> 00:10:04,600
838OFFICER: When will you know
839if you can stay?
840
841178
84200:10:04,602 --> 00:10:05,936
843They don't say.
844
845179
84600:10:05,938 --> 00:10:07,504
847Could be weeks.
848Could be months.
849
850180
85100:10:07,506 --> 00:10:09,505
852You never know with
853immigration, do you?
854
855181
85600:10:09,507 --> 00:10:11,541
857- I know.
858- Thank you.
859
860182
86100:10:11,543 --> 00:10:13,178
862Hi, Jasmine, it's Kath.
863
864183
86500:10:14,045 --> 00:10:16,312
866Uh, are you around today?
867
868184
86900:10:16,314 --> 00:10:18,349
870I'd love to come and see you.
871
872185
87300:10:23,921 --> 00:10:25,554
874- Kath.
875- KATHARINE: Hi.
876
877186
87800:10:25,556 --> 00:10:27,325
879Oh, come here.
880
881187
88200:10:29,026 --> 00:10:30,559
883KATHARINE: Hello.
884
885188
88600:10:30,561 --> 00:10:32,562
887Targeting who?
888
889189
89000:10:32,564 --> 00:10:34,898
891The UN Security Council.
892
893190
89400:10:34,900 --> 00:10:36,265
895Particularly
896the non-permanent members
897
898191
89900:10:36,267 --> 00:10:38,335
900who could swing the vote
901in favor of war.
902
903192
90400:10:38,337 --> 00:10:39,338
905Jesus.
906
907193
90800:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,940
909Maybe it's time
910to quit.
911
912194
91300:10:43,942 --> 00:10:45,607
914You know, they say
915if you stay at GCHQ
916
917195
91800:10:45,609 --> 00:10:48,277
919for more than five years,
920you never leave.
921
922196
92300:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,046
924I've still got
925two to go then.
926
927197
92800:10:50,048 --> 00:10:51,880
929So you've still
930got a conscience.
931
932198
93300:10:51,882 --> 00:10:53,184
934(LAUGHS)
935
936199
93700:10:54,184 --> 00:10:56,220
938Are you still organizing
939against the war?
940
941200
94200:10:59,391 --> 00:11:02,158
943Does GCHQ have a problem
944with that?
945
946201
94700:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,663
948- What? No.
949- Give me your phone.
950
951202
95200:11:08,032 --> 00:11:10,832
953I've already
954taken the battery out.
955
956203
95700:11:10,834 --> 00:11:14,073
958- I called you from a payphone.
959- Sorry.
960
961204
96200:11:17,476 --> 00:11:18,577
963Go on.
964
965205
96600:11:22,479 --> 00:11:23,748
967I just thought...
968
969206
97000:11:26,516 --> 00:11:29,318
971...if I could get you
972a copy of the memo,
973
974207
97500:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,087
976then maybe you could get
977somebody to look it over.
978
979208
98000:11:32,089 --> 00:11:33,355
981I don't know,
982a journalist,
983
984209
98500:11:33,357 --> 00:11:35,325
986someone
987in the anti-war movement.
988
989210
99000:11:35,327 --> 00:11:37,494
991Look, if the press think
992it's nothing, fine.
993
994211
99500:11:37,496 --> 00:11:39,430
996At least
997my conscience is clear.
998
999212
100000:11:40,531 --> 00:11:42,565
1001Your conscience?
1002
1003213
100400:11:42,567 --> 00:11:45,235
1005Kat, you're asking me
1006to collude in a breach
1007
1008214
100900:11:45,237 --> 00:11:48,473
1010of the Official Secrets Act.
1011Some call that treason.
1012
1013215
101400:11:50,242 --> 00:11:53,309
1015I am not trying to overthrow
1016my government.
1017
1018216
101900:11:53,311 --> 00:11:57,447
1020I just think if someone
1021in the press saw it,
1022
1023217
102400:11:57,449 --> 00:11:59,916
1025they might ask more questions
1026about what the Americans
1027
1028218
102900:11:59,918 --> 00:12:01,754
1030are asking
1031this country to do.
1032
1033219
103400:12:23,375 --> 00:12:26,109
1035ANDY: Hey, Kat,
1036they're sending me and Dan to London
1037
1038220
103900:12:26,111 --> 00:12:27,346
1040to learn Farsi.
1041
1042221
104300:12:27,945 --> 00:12:30,145
1044Wow, Farsi. Congrats.
1045
1046222
104700:12:30,147 --> 00:12:32,313
1048- How many languages now?
1049- Eight.
1050
1051223
105200:12:32,315 --> 00:12:33,917
1053She's a freakin'
1054super spy.
1055
1056224
105700:12:33,919 --> 00:12:35,817
1058FIONA: Andy, where's
1059my Pyongyang report?
1060
1061225
106200:12:35,819 --> 00:12:38,122
1063- Ah, one more hour.
1064- FIONA: Yeah, just get it done.
1065
1066226
106700:12:38,957 --> 00:12:40,923
1068- When do you leave?
1069- Two weeks.
1070
1071227
107200:12:40,925 --> 00:12:42,627
1073You'll have to
1074come visit me.
1075
1076228
107700:13:14,159 --> 00:13:16,227
1078(ZIP DRIVE WHIRRING)
1079
1080229
108100:13:21,232 --> 00:13:22,601
1082(ZIP DRIVE BEEPING)
1083
1084230
108500:14:20,157 --> 00:14:21,659
1086(PRINTER WHIRRING)
1087
1088231
108900:14:30,668 --> 00:14:32,735
1090FIONA: Is that
1091the Foreign Office report?
1092
1093232
109400:14:32,737 --> 00:14:34,504
1095- Uh, it's a rough draft.
1096- Well, finish it.
1097
1098233
109900:14:34,506 --> 00:14:36,139
1100Defense section
1101needs extra hands.
1102
1103234
110400:14:36,141 --> 00:14:38,073
1105I said I'd send you
1106over there this afternoon.
1107
1108235
110900:14:38,075 --> 00:14:39,277
1110Okay, will do.
1111
1112236
111300:14:54,592 --> 00:14:56,958
1114What we're giving you
1115our facts and conclusions
1116
1117237
111800:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,762
1119based on solid intelligence.
1120
1121238
112200:14:59,764 --> 00:15:03,633
1123The issue before us
1124is not how much time
1125
1126239
112700:15:03,635 --> 00:15:06,602
1128we are willing to give
1129the inspectors,
1130
1131240
113200:15:06,604 --> 00:15:10,005
1133but how much longer
1134are we willing to put up
1135
1136241
113700:15:10,007 --> 00:15:15,144
1138with Iraq's non-compliance
1139before we as a council,
1140
1141242
114200:15:15,146 --> 00:15:18,714
1143we as United Nations
1144say enough.
1145
1146243
114700:15:18,716 --> 00:15:19,785
1148Enough.
1149
1150244
115100:15:20,751 --> 00:15:23,485
1152We have first-hand
1153descriptions
1154
1155245
115600:15:23,487 --> 00:15:27,856
1157of biological weapons factories
1158on wheels and on rails.
1159
1160246
116100:15:27,858 --> 00:15:30,759
1162The trucks and train cars
1163are easily moved
1164
1165247
116600:15:30,761 --> 00:15:34,364
1167and are designed to evade
1168detection by inspectors.
1169
1170248
117100:15:34,366 --> 00:15:36,466
1172Although Iraq's
1173mobile production program
1174
1175249
117600:15:36,468 --> 00:15:38,467
1177began in mid-1990s,
1178
1179250
118000:15:38,469 --> 00:15:42,371
1181UN inspectors at the time
1182only had vague hints
1183
1184251
118500:15:42,373 --> 00:15:44,206
1186of such programs.
1187
1188252
118900:15:44,208 --> 00:15:47,476
1190Confirmation came later
1191in the year 2000.
1192
1193253
119400:15:47,478 --> 00:15:50,145
1195The source was an eyewitness.
1196
1197254
119800:15:50,147 --> 00:15:51,614
1199- (DOOR OPENS)
1200- An Iraqi chemical engineer
1201
1202255
120300:15:51,616 --> 00:15:53,883
1204who supervised
1205one of these facilities.
1206
1207256
120800:15:53,885 --> 00:15:54,886
1209Hi.
1210
1211257
121200:15:55,853 --> 00:15:56,887
1213Hi.
1214
1215258
121600:15:57,856 --> 00:16:00,823
1217I'm gonna watch some football.
1218Do you mind?
1219
1220259
122100:16:00,825 --> 00:16:01,826
1222No. Go for it.
1223
1224260
122500:16:07,332 --> 00:16:09,333
1226(CROWD CHEERING ON TV)
1227
1228261
122900:16:35,626 --> 00:16:36,862
1230(GASPS)
1231
1232262
123300:16:54,746 --> 00:16:58,548
1234REPORTER: From the north,
1235the south, the east and the west,
1236
1237263
123800:16:58,550 --> 00:17:00,450
1239from the left, the right
1240
1241264
124200:17:00,452 --> 00:17:02,751
1243from the radical
1244to the uncommitted
1245
1246265
124700:17:02,753 --> 00:17:04,052
1248they came.
1249
1250266
125100:17:04,054 --> 00:17:05,721
1252(CROWD WHISTLING
1253AND SCREAMING)
1254
1255267
125600:17:05,723 --> 00:17:08,090
1257Well, we can argue forever about
1258the validity of opinion polls,
1259
1260268
126100:17:08,092 --> 00:17:10,459
1262but what surely matters today
1263
1264269
126500:17:10,461 --> 00:17:13,028
1266is that this proposed war
1267by Britain
1268
1269270
127000:17:13,030 --> 00:17:15,798
1271is historically unpopular
1272
1273271
127400:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,067
1275and the mother of all
1276focus groups has descended.
1277
1278272
127900:17:18,069 --> 00:17:20,970
1280Hey, Martin.
1281We're now doing some real reporting.
1282
1283273
128400:17:20,972 --> 00:17:23,506
1285It's huge.
1286Police are saying over 500,000.
1287
1288274
128900:17:23,508 --> 00:17:25,574
1290Organizers are saying
1291over two million.
1292
1293275
129400:17:25,576 --> 00:17:27,143
1295So it will be
1296a million then?
1297
1298276
129900:17:27,145 --> 00:17:28,844
1300Well, it's everywhere.
1301Every country.
1302
1303277
130400:17:28,846 --> 00:17:31,279
1305Biggest demonstration
1306in human history.
1307
1308278
130900:17:31,281 --> 00:17:33,883
1310ED: Roger, I filed this story
1311seven times.
1312
1313279
131400:17:33,885 --> 00:17:36,819
1315And seven times I have told
1316you I'm not going to print it.
1317
1318280
131900:17:36,821 --> 00:17:38,420
1320Ed, this paper
1321supports the war.
1322
1323281
132400:17:38,422 --> 00:17:40,022
1325Our sources support
1326the war, Kamal.
1327
1328282
132900:17:40,024 --> 00:17:42,525
1330All I'm asking is that
1331mine be given equal time.
1332
1333283
133400:17:42,527 --> 00:17:43,625
1335- Fair enough.
1336- Thank you.
1337
1338284
133900:17:43,627 --> 00:17:44,794
1340ROGER: Well,
1341what do they say, Ed?
1342
1343285
134400:17:44,796 --> 00:17:46,695
1345That intelligence
1346is being manipulated
1347
1348286
134900:17:46,697 --> 00:17:49,199
1350to support an invasion that
1351Bush Junior's been pushing for
1352
1353287
135400:17:49,201 --> 00:17:51,700
1355ever since Saddam tried
1356to kill his daddy in '93.
1357
1358288
135900:17:51,702 --> 00:17:53,536
1360Oh, come on,
1361your source is retired.
1362
1363289
136400:17:53,538 --> 00:17:55,304
1365My source is ex-CIA!
1366
1367290
136800:17:55,306 --> 00:17:56,771
1369He talks to agents
1370every day
1371
1372291
137300:17:56,773 --> 00:17:58,540
1374and he's talking to me
1375on the record!
1376
1377292
137800:17:58,542 --> 00:18:01,676
1379Named source! Christ!
1380
1381293
138200:18:01,678 --> 00:18:03,779
1383If you're gonna encourage
1384a country to go to war,
1385
1386294
138700:18:03,781 --> 00:18:05,780
1388perhaps you should spend some
1389time on the front lines yourself!
1390
1391295
139200:18:05,782 --> 00:18:08,484
1393- ROGER: That is a cheap shot, Ed.
1394- ED: Is it?
1395
1396296
139700:18:08,486 --> 00:18:09,719
1398We're the press,
1399for God's sake,
1400
1401297
140200:18:09,721 --> 00:18:11,721
1403not a fucking PR agency
1404for Tony Blair.
1405
1406298
140700:18:11,723 --> 00:18:13,625
1408- That's enough!
1409- All right!
1410
1411299
141200:18:15,126 --> 00:18:16,659
1413You, go back
1414to the States.
1415
1416300
141700:18:16,661 --> 00:18:18,126
1418I want you to find me
1419something from a source
1420
1421301
142200:18:18,128 --> 00:18:19,728
1423who hasn't already retired
1424
1425302
142600:18:19,730 --> 00:18:21,564
1427and then maybe
1428I'll rethink it.
1429
1430303
143100:18:21,566 --> 00:18:23,165
1432You're doing a great job of it.
1433We just need some more.
1434
1435304
143600:18:23,167 --> 00:18:25,969
1437Yes, Peter.
1438Fuck you very much.
1439
1440305
144100:18:25,971 --> 00:18:27,237
1442And fewer words!
1443
1444306
144500:18:27,239 --> 00:18:30,105
1446If I ask for 500,
1447don't send me 3,000!
1448
1449307
145000:18:30,107 --> 00:18:32,974
1451This paper needs to take
1452its finger out of its arse
1453
1454308
145500:18:32,976 --> 00:18:35,577
1456and stop taking
1457Tony Blair's press releases
1458
1459309
146000:18:35,579 --> 00:18:37,146
1461at face fucking value!
1462
1463310
146400:18:37,148 --> 00:18:39,013
1465- MAN: Hear, hear.
1466- WOMAN: Abso-fucking-lutely.
1467
1468311
146900:18:39,015 --> 00:18:40,851
1470- Christ!
1471- MAN: You're too bloody right.
1472
1473312
147400:18:44,288 --> 00:18:46,122
1475Brighty,
1476where's my piece
1477
1478313
147900:18:46,124 --> 00:18:48,958
1480comparing Saddam to Milosevic?
1481I need 400 words.
1482
1483314
148400:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,294
1485Yeah. It's not really
1486a 400-word topic, Rog.
1487
1488315
148900:18:51,296 --> 00:18:54,329
1490Yeah, it is. We have a right
1491to intervene in the Balkans.
1492
1493316
149400:18:54,331 --> 00:18:55,463
1495We should do
1496the same in Iraq.
1497
1498317
149900:18:55,465 --> 00:18:56,865
1500Iraq's a little
1501more complicated.
1502
1503318
150400:18:56,867 --> 00:18:59,501
1505- You've got Suni and Shia...
1506- Oh, fuck Sonny and Cher!
1507
1508319
150900:18:59,503 --> 00:19:01,837
1510What is this?
1511"I got you babe?"
1512
1513320
151400:19:01,839 --> 00:19:04,306
1515Just give me 400 words the
1516average reader will understand.
1517
1518321
151900:19:04,308 --> 00:19:06,241
1520Milosevic bad.
1521Saddam bad.
1522
1523322
152400:19:06,243 --> 00:19:09,412
1525Just write a fucking story.
1526Stop overthinking it.
1527
1528323
152900:19:09,414 --> 00:19:10,615
1530MAN: All right.
1531
1532324
153300:19:15,919 --> 00:19:16,884
1534That was helpful.
1535
1536325
153700:19:16,886 --> 00:19:18,688
1538Just write the piece
1539as you see it, Martin,
1540
1541326
154200:19:18,690 --> 00:19:21,190
1543and we'll cut it down later
1544if we need to, all right?
1545
1546327
154700:19:21,192 --> 00:19:23,124
1548Okay. Thank you, Peter.
1549
1550328
155100:19:23,126 --> 00:19:24,529
1552(EXHALES)
1553
1554329
155500:19:27,197 --> 00:19:28,430
1556Sonny and Cher.
1557
1558330
155900:19:28,432 --> 00:19:30,199
1560(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
1561
1562331
156300:19:30,201 --> 00:19:31,500
1564(PHONE RINGING)
1565
1566332
156700:19:31,502 --> 00:19:32,969
1568Martin Bright.
1569
1570333
157100:19:32,971 --> 00:19:34,804
1572YVONNE: (ON PHONE) I've got
1573something you need to see.
1574
1575334
157600:19:34,806 --> 00:19:37,675
1577It's big, Martin, really big.
1578
1579335
158000:19:39,409 --> 00:19:40,644
1581MARTIN: Yvonne?
1582
1583336
158400:19:46,416 --> 00:19:47,482
1585Yvonne?
1586
1587337
158800:19:47,484 --> 00:19:48,549
1589(DOOR OPENS)
1590
1591338
159200:19:48,551 --> 00:19:49,753
1593(FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
1594
1595339
159600:19:53,191 --> 00:19:56,291
1597Martin. So good to see you.
1598
1599340
160000:19:56,293 --> 00:19:58,426
1601In an underground
1602car park?
1603
1604341
160500:19:58,428 --> 00:20:01,230
1606It's a little Deep Throat,
1607don't you think?
1608
1609342
161000:20:01,232 --> 00:20:03,068
1611- There's no signal down here.
1612- Right.
1613
1614343
161500:20:05,636 --> 00:20:07,571
1616Wait till you see this.
1617
1618344
161900:20:21,386 --> 00:20:23,951
1620- Who gave you this?
1621- YVONNE: Can't say.
1622
1623345
162400:20:23,953 --> 00:20:25,421
1625There's no info
1626saying who sent it.
1627
1628346
162900:20:25,423 --> 00:20:27,125
1630This could have been
1631written by anyone.
1632
1633347
163400:20:28,658 --> 00:20:30,928
1635- That's who wrote it.
1636- Well.
1637
1638348
163900:20:32,128 --> 00:20:33,662
1640Frank Koza.
1641
1642349
164300:20:33,664 --> 00:20:36,565
1644- Who the fuck is Frank Koza?
1645- NSA.
1646
1647350
164800:20:36,567 --> 00:20:38,867
1649And this I know
1650because the letters NSA
1651
1652351
165300:20:38,869 --> 00:20:41,970
1654have been written on the back
1655with a leaky ballpoint.
1656
1657352
165800:20:41,972 --> 00:20:43,939
1659My source says
1660the header wasn't printed
1661
1662353
166300:20:43,941 --> 00:20:46,678
1664to protect the recipients
1665at GCHQ.
1666
1667354
166800:20:48,646 --> 00:20:49,711
1669When did you get it?
1670
1671355
167200:20:49,713 --> 00:20:51,114
1673- Two weeks ago.
1674- Two weeks?
1675
1676356
167700:20:51,116 --> 00:20:53,515
1678I gave it to The Mirror first.
1679Sorry.
1680
1681357
168200:20:53,517 --> 00:20:55,785
1683Jesus. Why didn't
1684they run it?
1685
1686358
168700:20:55,787 --> 00:20:58,020
1688- They thought it was fake.
1689- No shit.
1690
1691359
169200:20:58,022 --> 00:21:01,056
1693- Is your source NSA?
1694- No. A friend of the recipient.
1695
1696360
169700:21:01,058 --> 00:21:03,459
1698- A good friend.
1699- A friend of a friend?
1700
1701361
170200:21:03,461 --> 00:21:06,429
1703A good friend
1704of a trusted friend.
1705
1706362
170700:21:06,431 --> 00:21:07,696
1708I'm sure it's real.
1709
1710363
171100:21:07,698 --> 00:21:09,365
1712Then why don't you
1713write the story?
1714
1715364
171600:21:09,367 --> 00:21:10,932
1717Oh, come on, Martin.
1718
1719365
172000:21:10,934 --> 00:21:13,905
1721I'm anti-war.
1722You're with The Observer.
1723
1724366
172500:21:14,704 --> 00:21:16,907
1726Just check it out.
1727
1728367
172900:21:27,117 --> 00:21:29,154
1730(LINE RINGING)
1731
1732368
173300:21:31,422 --> 00:21:33,655
1734OPERATOR: (ON PHONE) NSA Press Office.
1735How may I assist you?
1736
1737369
173800:21:33,657 --> 00:21:34,923
1739Yes, hi, hello there.
1740
1741370
174200:21:34,925 --> 00:21:37,593
1743This is Martin Bright
1744from The Observer in London.
1745
1746371
174700:21:37,595 --> 00:21:39,362
1748Um, I'd like to arrange
1749an interview
1750
1751372
175200:21:39,364 --> 00:21:41,029
1753with Mr. Frank Koza.
1754
1755373
175600:21:41,031 --> 00:21:43,532
1757May I speak
1758to his office, please?
1759
1760374
176100:21:43,534 --> 00:21:46,669
1762- I'm sorry, Mr. Bright?
1763- Martin Bright, yes.
1764
1765375
176600:21:46,671 --> 00:21:48,170
1767Yes. Who did you wanna get?
1768
1769376
177000:21:48,172 --> 00:21:51,906
1771Frank Koza, "Chief of Staff,
1772Regional Targets."
1773
1774377
177500:21:51,908 --> 00:21:53,776
1776Mr. Bright, I'm afraid
1777we can't confirm
1778
1779378
178000:21:53,778 --> 00:21:55,911
1781the names of people
1782who work here.
1783
1784379
178500:21:55,913 --> 00:21:57,446
1786Could you give me
1787a little more detail
1788
1789380
179000:21:57,448 --> 00:21:59,080
1791about the story
1792you're working on?
1793
1794381
179500:21:59,082 --> 00:22:02,451
1796Uh, well, no. That's something
1797I need to talk to Mr. Koza
1798
1799382
180000:22:02,453 --> 00:22:03,855
1801about directly, I'm afraid.
1802
1803383
180400:22:05,723 --> 00:22:08,557
1805Well, then I'm afraid
1806I'm not sure I can help you.
1807
1808384
180900:22:08,559 --> 00:22:09,825
1810When you have a little
1811more detail
1812
1813385
181400:22:09,827 --> 00:22:12,394
1815- please feel free to call back.
1816- (LINE DISCONNECTS)
1817
1818386
181900:22:12,396 --> 00:22:13,665
1820Yeah, well...
1821
1822387
182300:22:15,066 --> 00:22:16,598
1824Hello?
1825
1826388
182700:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,402
1828- You rang the NSA Press Office?
1829- Yeah.
1830
1831389
183200:22:19,404 --> 00:22:20,536
1833They have a press office.
1834
1835390
183600:22:20,538 --> 00:22:21,971
1837I thought that was
1838a good place to start.
1839
1840391
184100:22:21,973 --> 00:22:23,205
1842But you didn't
1843tell them anything?
1844
1845392
184600:22:23,207 --> 00:22:25,607
1847No, Peter.
1848I just asked for Frank Koza.
1849
1850393
185100:22:25,609 --> 00:22:27,076
1852Because if this is real,
1853you could go to jail
1854
1855394
185600:22:27,078 --> 00:22:29,978
1857just for having it
1858in your possession.
1859
1860395
186100:22:29,980 --> 00:22:31,814
1862MARTIN: I'm not letting this go.
1863It's too good a story.
1864
1865396
186600:22:31,816 --> 00:22:33,215
1867PETER: I agree,
1868but if you get it wrong
1869
1870397
187100:22:33,217 --> 00:22:35,417
1872it will sink you,
1873it will sink the paper.
1874
1875398
187600:22:35,419 --> 00:22:37,586
1877I'd like to get a credible
1878intelligence expert
1879
1880399
188100:22:37,588 --> 00:22:39,321
1882to offer a view
1883on the language.
1884
1885400
188600:22:39,323 --> 00:22:41,289
1887- Yeah.
1888- And I thought you could run it by
1889
1890401
189100:22:41,291 --> 00:22:42,793
1892your MI6 contact?
1893
1894402
189500:22:43,761 --> 00:22:45,761
1896- I don't have a MI6 contact.
1897- Sorry.
1898
1899403
190000:22:45,763 --> 00:22:47,831
1901I meant your
1902tennis club friend.
1903
1904404
190500:22:49,066 --> 00:22:49,964
1906Sure.
1907
1908405
190900:22:49,966 --> 00:22:51,799
1910I'll take it
1911to Admiral Wilkinson.
1912
1913406
191400:22:51,801 --> 00:22:53,634
1915Be careful.
1916Before we risk
1917
1918407
191900:22:53,636 --> 00:22:55,470
1920a D-notice
1921against publication
1922
1923408
192400:22:55,472 --> 00:22:59,275
1925I'd actually like confirmation
1926that Frank Koza exists.
1927
1928409
192900:22:59,277 --> 00:23:00,742
1930Do you think
1931it's authentic?
1932
1933410
193400:23:00,744 --> 00:23:02,478
1935Well, certainly
1936the words he used,
1937
1938411
193900:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,180
1940"TOPI," for example,
1941
1942412
194300:23:04,182 --> 00:23:05,981
1944few outside
1945of the security apparatus
1946
1947413
194800:23:05,983 --> 00:23:07,249
1949would know
1950what that means.
1951
1952414
195300:23:07,251 --> 00:23:08,384
1954What does it mean?
1955
1956415
195700:23:08,386 --> 00:23:10,452
1958Target of
1959primary interest.
1960
1961416
196200:23:10,454 --> 00:23:13,922
1963And this term,
1964"QRC surge effort,"
1965
1966417
196700:23:13,924 --> 00:23:15,457
1968that's NSA military speak
1969
1970418
197100:23:15,459 --> 00:23:19,228
1972for significant intensification
1973of surveillance operations.
1974
1975419
197600:23:19,230 --> 00:23:22,196
1977And this, where they ask
1978for "valuable information
1979
1980420
198100:23:22,198 --> 00:23:26,301
1982"from accesses
1983in your product lines..."
1984
1985421
198600:23:26,303 --> 00:23:29,438
1987...product lines
1988are intelligence sources.
1989
1990422
199100:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,739
1992So it's been
1993written by someone
1994
1995423
199600:23:30,741 --> 00:23:32,374
1997who's familiar
1998with security speak
1999
2000424
200100:23:32,376 --> 00:23:34,409
2002but that doesn't mean
2003it's definitely NSA.
2004
2005425
200600:23:34,411 --> 00:23:36,979
2007True, but there are no
2008obvious amateur mistakes.
2009
2010426
201100:23:36,981 --> 00:23:39,751
2012- Have you heard of Frank Koza?
2013- No.
2014
2015427
201600:23:41,985 --> 00:23:45,453
2017Paul, if we, if we wanted
2018to confirm that he exists...
2019
2020428
202100:23:45,455 --> 00:23:47,789
2022(CHUCKLES) Oh, sorry.
2023I couldn't help you do that.
2024
2025429
202600:23:47,791 --> 00:23:49,090
2027Yeah, but if we wanted
2028to confirm that he...
2029
2030430
203100:23:49,092 --> 00:23:51,862
2032Well, my own sources
2033wouldn't ever trust me again.
2034
2035431
203600:23:52,797 --> 00:23:54,031
2037Understood.
2038
2039432
204000:23:55,566 --> 00:23:56,665
2041Understood.
2042
2043433
204400:23:56,667 --> 00:23:57,968
2045(PHONE RINGS)
2046
2047434
204800:23:59,336 --> 00:24:01,903
2049- What?
2050- MARTIN: (ON PHONE) Ed, Martin Bright.
2051
2052435
205300:24:01,905 --> 00:24:04,173
2054Martin, Christ,
2055I just got back to DC.
2056
2057436
205800:24:04,175 --> 00:24:05,807
2059Sorry, Peter and I
2060have something urgent
2061
2062437
206300:24:05,809 --> 00:24:06,909
2064that we'd like to run by you.
2065
2066438
206700:24:06,911 --> 00:24:08,943
2068Are you on speaker?
2069
2070439
207100:24:08,945 --> 00:24:10,412
2072We are now. Hey...
2073
2074440
207500:24:10,414 --> 00:24:13,414
2076Peter, you need to tell Roger
2077to publish what I'm filing.
2078
2079441
208000:24:13,416 --> 00:24:16,419
2081This paper can't be seen
2082to be supporting a war
2083
2084442
208500:24:16,421 --> 00:24:18,287
2086that we should be doing
2087everything in our power
2088
2089443
209000:24:18,289 --> 00:24:19,521
2091to expose as a con.
2092
2093444
209400:24:19,523 --> 00:24:21,891
2095A neocon.
2096A giant fucking con!
2097
2098445
209900:24:21,893 --> 00:24:23,992
2100Ed, that's why we're phoning.
2101We need your help.
2102
2103446
210400:24:23,994 --> 00:24:26,429
2105We have something
2106that might corroborate
2107
2108447
210900:24:26,431 --> 00:24:28,266
2110these things,
2111you could say.
2112
2113448
211400:24:38,509 --> 00:24:40,107
2115Hey. Sorry.
2116
2117449
211800:24:40,109 --> 00:24:41,477
2119(LAUGHS)
2120
2121450
212200:24:41,479 --> 00:24:42,711
2123- Do you wanna get lunch?
2124- What?
2125
2126451
212700:24:42,713 --> 00:24:44,578
2128Lunch. Eat.
2129Now. Yes.
2130
2131452
213200:24:44,580 --> 00:24:47,281
2133Oh, no,
2134I'm fine, thanks.
2135
2136453
213700:24:47,283 --> 00:24:49,551
2138- Are you all right?
2139- Yeah. Yeah. I'm good.
2140
2141454
214200:24:49,553 --> 00:24:51,053
2143It, um...
2144
2145455
214600:24:51,055 --> 00:24:53,321
2147This new BBC poll,
2148it says that less than one in ten people
2149
2150456
215100:24:53,323 --> 00:24:57,026
2152think it's right to attack
2153Iraq without a UN resolution.
2154
2155457
215600:24:57,028 --> 00:24:59,862
2157Which is why that memo was sent.
2158They need to twist arms.
2159
2160458
216100:24:59,864 --> 00:25:01,329
2162ANDY: I don't think
2163it will make any difference.
2164
2165459
216600:25:01,331 --> 00:25:03,266
2167Most of the world
2168is against them.
2169
2170460
217100:25:04,299 --> 00:25:04,569
2172You wanna eat, eat.
2173
2174461
217500:25:05,369 --> 00:25:06,804
2176(LINE RINGING)
2177
2178462
217900:25:08,505 --> 00:25:11,307
2180OPERATOR: (ON PHONE) National Security
2181Agency. How may I direct your call?
2182
2183463
218400:25:11,309 --> 00:25:13,976
2185Hello, I'm returning
2186Frank Koza's call.
2187
2188464
218900:25:13,978 --> 00:25:15,477
2190My secretary said
2191it was urgent.
2192
2193465
219400:25:15,479 --> 00:25:17,613
2195OPERATOR: I'm sorry.
2196Who are you trying to reach?
2197
2198466
219900:25:17,615 --> 00:25:20,015
2200Frank Koza.
2201Mr. Frank Koza.
2202
2203467
220400:25:20,017 --> 00:25:21,749
2205Sir, I'm sorry,
2206there's no one
2207
2208468
220900:25:21,751 --> 00:25:23,919
2210by that name
2211in the directory, sir.
2212
2213469
221400:25:23,921 --> 00:25:27,355
2215Oh, well, then that's odd.
2216He called me.
2217
2218470
221900:25:27,357 --> 00:25:31,359
2220I'm sorry, but I'll need
2221an extension number.
2222
2223471
222400:25:31,361 --> 00:25:33,228
2225Do you have
2226an extension number?
2227
2228472
222900:25:33,230 --> 00:25:34,497
2230Ah...
2231
2232473
223300:25:34,499 --> 00:25:36,365
2234Nah.
2235
2236474
223700:25:36,367 --> 00:25:38,834
2238Is there anything else
2239I can do for you?
2240
2241475
224200:25:38,836 --> 00:25:40,736
2243No. No.
2244
2245476
224600:25:40,738 --> 00:25:41,903
2247Thank you. Thank you.
2248
2249477
225000:25:41,905 --> 00:25:43,438
2251You have a nice day, sir.
2252
2253478
225400:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,442
2255You too.
2256
2257479
225800:25:46,344 --> 00:25:47,375
2259Fuck off.
2260
2261480
226200:25:47,377 --> 00:25:51,247
2263PETER: So I read the weapons
2264inspector's report.
2265
2266481
226700:25:51,249 --> 00:25:53,115
2268JACQUELINE:
2269Oh, congratulations.
2270
2271482
227200:25:53,117 --> 00:25:55,284
2273That's more
2274than most MP's ever done.
2275
2276483
227700:25:55,286 --> 00:25:58,185
2278- Well, shit, that's depressing.
2279- Mmm-hmm. It is.
2280
2281484
228200:25:58,187 --> 00:26:00,422
2283Look, there are a few
2284pre-98 chemical weapons
2285
2286485
228700:26:00,424 --> 00:26:02,391
2288we have yet to be accounted
2289for but inspectors said
2290
2291486
229200:26:02,393 --> 00:26:04,058
2293they found absolutely
2294no evidence
2295
2296487
229700:26:04,060 --> 00:26:06,394
2298of an active chemical
2299or biological program.
2300
2301488
230200:26:06,396 --> 00:26:07,462
2303Correct.
2304
2305489
230600:26:07,464 --> 00:26:08,529
2307And yet Colin Powell presented
2308
2309490
231000:26:08,531 --> 00:26:10,164
2311clear evidence of mobile labs.
2312
2313491
231400:26:10,166 --> 00:26:13,602
2315His evidence may be based
2316on poor human intel
2317
2318492
231900:26:13,604 --> 00:26:15,237
2320from an Iraqi dissident.
2321
2322493
232300:26:15,239 --> 00:26:16,105
2324Really?
2325
2326494
232700:26:16,107 --> 00:26:17,205
2328The dissident
2329isn't our product
2330
2331495
233200:26:17,207 --> 00:26:19,076
2333and should not be seen
2334as our product.
2335
2336496
233700:26:20,610 --> 00:26:22,213
2338Whose product is he then?
2339
2340497
234100:26:24,248 --> 00:26:27,415
2342Look, Peter,
2343I didn't say this,
2344
2345498
234600:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,951
2347but there is concern
2348in certain quarters
2349
2350499
235100:26:29,953 --> 00:26:33,122
2352that intelligence
2353may be being manipulated
2354
2355500
235600:26:33,124 --> 00:26:35,024
2357to take this country to war.
2358
2359501
236000:26:35,026 --> 00:26:36,959
2361So why don't you tell
2362your journalists
2363
2364502
236500:26:36,961 --> 00:26:39,161
2366to stop being so bloody loyal
2367to Downing Street
2368
2369503
237000:26:39,163 --> 00:26:41,098
2371and start doing their job?
2372
2373504
237400:26:42,867 --> 00:26:44,068
2375Okay.
2376
2377505
237800:26:47,870 --> 00:26:50,705
2379Okay, what if I had
2380evidence that the NSA
2381
2382506
238300:26:50,707 --> 00:26:53,742
2384requested GCHQ to help
2385monitor private communications
2386
2387507
238800:26:53,744 --> 00:26:56,076
2389of the UN Security Council
2390delegates?
2391
2392508
239300:26:56,078 --> 00:26:57,880
2394- To what end?
2395- Bluntly?
2396
2397509
239800:26:57,882 --> 00:27:00,082
2399To blackmail them
2400into voting for war.
2401
2402510
240300:27:00,084 --> 00:27:01,717
2404I'm not with GCHQ.
2405
2406511
240700:27:01,719 --> 00:27:03,551
2408You're MI6,
2409you're on the same team.
2410
2411512
241200:27:03,553 --> 00:27:04,618
2413How did you
2414hear about this?
2415
2416513
241700:27:04,620 --> 00:27:06,421
2418A UN resolution for war
2419
2420514
242100:27:06,423 --> 00:27:08,891
2422would cover everyone's arse,
2423wouldn't it?
2424
2425515
242600:27:08,893 --> 00:27:11,792
2427No more asking your team
2428to sex up evidence of WMDs
2429
2430516
243100:27:11,794 --> 00:27:14,930
2432or the back-dodgy claims that
2433Britain was about to be attacked
2434
2435517
243600:27:14,932 --> 00:27:16,965
2437by Iraq within 45 minutes.
2438
2439518
244000:27:16,967 --> 00:27:19,067
2441And no chance of anyone
2442being charged with a war crime
2443
2444519
244500:27:19,069 --> 00:27:21,004
2446if it all goes tits up.
2447
2448520
244900:27:22,405 --> 00:27:23,838
2450What are you
2451asking me, Peter?
2452
2453521
245400:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,909
2455I'm asking
2456if you can confirm
2457
2458522
245900:27:26,911 --> 00:27:30,546
2460whether the NSA
2461instructed GCHQ
2462
2463523
246400:27:30,548 --> 00:27:33,617
2465to assist in spying on
2466Security Council delegates?
2467
2468524
246900:27:34,652 --> 00:27:37,318
2470You know I can't
2471answer that.
2472
2473525
247400:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,954
2475To do so would put me in breach
2476of the Official Secrets Act.
2477
2478526
247900:27:39,956 --> 00:27:42,459
2480To deny it would not.
2481
2482527
248300:27:44,328 --> 00:27:48,266
2484Well, I can neither confirm
2485nor deny.
2486
2487528
248800:27:52,469 --> 00:27:53,471
2489Okay.
2490
2491529
249200:27:54,672 --> 00:27:55,740
2493Let's play.
2494
2495530
249600:27:56,941 --> 00:27:59,277
2497- Change ends, idiot.
2498- Yes.
2499
2500531
250100:28:01,044 --> 00:28:02,611
2502Your serve.
2503
2504532
250500:28:02,613 --> 00:28:05,614
2506ED: So the head of the CIA
2507tells Bush it's a slam dunk
2508
2509533
251000:28:05,616 --> 00:28:08,782
2511that Saddam has weapons
2512of mass destruction.
2513
2514534
251500:28:08,784 --> 00:28:10,685
2516- A slam dunk.
2517- Yes.
2518
2519535
252000:28:10,687 --> 00:28:12,654
2521- And that's not true?
2522- No.
2523
2524536
252500:28:12,656 --> 00:28:15,289
2526Meaning Saddam definitely
2527does not have weapons
2528
2529537
253000:28:15,291 --> 00:28:17,459
2531of mass destruction
2532or he may not.
2533
2534538
253500:28:17,461 --> 00:28:21,028
2536Meaning the intelligence
2537is sketchy at best
2538
2539539
254000:28:21,030 --> 00:28:22,798
2541and manufactured at worst.
2542
2543540
254400:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,999
2545And Tenet knows that?
2546
2547541
254800:28:25,001 --> 00:28:27,702
2549I've no doubt he knows that.
2550
2551542
255200:28:27,704 --> 00:28:29,871
2553I was with
2554the agency 24 years.
2555
2556543
255700:28:29,873 --> 00:28:33,541
2558I can tell you, folks over there
2559are really angry about this.
2560
2561544
256200:28:33,543 --> 00:28:35,277
2563Why?
2564
2565545
256600:28:35,279 --> 00:28:36,510
2567Why?
2568
2569546
257000:28:36,512 --> 00:28:38,513
2571Because the majority
2572of the analysts do not believe
2573
2574547
257500:28:38,515 --> 00:28:41,618
2576it's a slam dunk,
2577but no one wants to hear that.
2578
2579548
258000:28:42,519 --> 00:28:44,352
2581Not even the press.
2582
2583549
258400:28:44,354 --> 00:28:47,088
2585- Sorry, Mel.
2586- I'm sorry.
2587
2588550
258900:28:47,090 --> 00:28:48,658
2590I'm just mad as hell.
2591
2592551
259300:28:50,461 --> 00:28:51,993
2594Listen, I wanted
2595to talk to you today
2596
2597552
259800:28:51,995 --> 00:28:55,897
2599because I think I might finally
2600be onto something that...
2601
2602553
260300:28:55,899 --> 00:28:59,968
2604...that really support what
2605you've been saying for months.
2606
2607554
260800:28:59,970 --> 00:29:02,440
2609I need to talk to a man
2610called Frank Koza.
2611
2612555
261300:29:05,710 --> 00:29:07,375
2614He's NSA.
2615
2616556
261700:29:07,377 --> 00:29:09,280
2618Head of Regional Targets.
2619
2620557
262100:29:11,749 --> 00:29:12,817
2622You know him?
2623
2624558
262500:29:15,019 --> 00:29:17,085
2626I'm sorry, Ed.
2627
2628559
262900:29:17,087 --> 00:29:19,589
2630I can't give out
2631that kind of information.
2632
2633560
263400:29:41,846 --> 00:29:43,412
2635- What are you doing here?
2636- I'm sorry.
2637
2638561
263900:29:43,414 --> 00:29:44,880
2640- I didn't wanna call.
2641- How long have you been here?
2642
2643562
264400:29:44,882 --> 00:29:46,548
2645We're not supposed
2646to be meeting.
2647
2648563
264900:29:46,550 --> 00:29:48,482
2650I know, I've just...
2651
2652564
265300:29:48,484 --> 00:29:51,019
2654I've been following the news
2655and I haven't seen
2656
2657565
265800:29:51,021 --> 00:29:52,688
2659or heard anything
2660for three weeks.
2661
2662566
266300:29:52,690 --> 00:29:54,155
2664Okay, well,
2665I've given it to my contact
2666
2667567
266800:29:54,157 --> 00:29:55,857
2669and apparently,
2670she's having a very hard time
2671
2672568
267300:29:55,859 --> 00:29:58,463
2674getting the papers to
2675believe that it's not a fake.
2676
2677569
267800:30:00,430 --> 00:30:02,233
2679Oh, uh...
2680
2681570
268200:30:02,966 --> 00:30:05,800
2683Well, maybe that's okay.
2684
2685571
268600:30:05,802 --> 00:30:07,001
2687You know, I...
2688
2689572
269000:30:07,003 --> 00:30:08,170
2691Look, I mean,
2692all of the polls said
2693
2694573
269500:30:08,172 --> 00:30:09,471
2696everyone's against
2697the war, anyway
2698
2699574
270000:30:09,473 --> 00:30:11,874
2701and I, and I've
2702just been thinking...
2703
2704575
270500:30:11,876 --> 00:30:15,109
2706Look, I think
2707that I acted too rashly
2708
2709576
271000:30:15,111 --> 00:30:16,444
2711on impulse.
2712I didn't think...
2713
2714577
271500:30:16,446 --> 00:30:18,113
2716Jesus, Katharine,
2717is it a fake?
2718
2719578
272000:30:18,115 --> 00:30:19,615
2721Of course it's not a fake.
2722It's real.
2723
2724579
272500:30:19,617 --> 00:30:21,083
2726Well, then just go home!
2727
2728580
272900:30:21,085 --> 00:30:24,419
2730Okay, don't talk about this
2731to anyone, ever!
2732
2733581
273400:30:24,421 --> 00:30:25,490
2735Just...
2736
2737582
273800:30:27,424 --> 00:30:30,261
2739- Sorry.
2740- It's out of our hands now.
2741
2742583
274300:30:32,128 --> 00:30:33,330
2744Sorry.
2745
2746584
274700:30:35,299 --> 00:30:38,400
2748The truth is,
2749the whole document could be a fake.
2750
2751585
275200:30:38,402 --> 00:30:41,135
2753But we're satisfied
2754the language used is real.
2755
2756586
275700:30:41,137 --> 00:30:42,772
2758- It's fascinating.
2759- Yeah.
2760
2761587
276200:30:45,242 --> 00:30:47,942
2763Is this document actually
2764in your possession?
2765
2766588
276700:30:47,944 --> 00:30:50,211
2768Well, if it were, I'd be in
2769breach of the Official Secrets Act
2770
2771589
277200:30:50,213 --> 00:30:51,645
2773wouldn't I?
2774
2775590
277600:30:51,647 --> 00:30:53,314
2777(BOTH LAUGH)
2778
2779591
278000:30:53,316 --> 00:30:55,049
2781So based on what might be
2782in this document...
2783
2784592
278500:30:55,051 --> 00:30:56,652
2786- That you don't have.
2787- That I don't yet have.
2788
2789593
279000:30:56,654 --> 00:30:58,319
2791But that you want
2792to print in your paper.
2793
2794594
279500:30:58,321 --> 00:31:00,654
2796If you don't issue a
2797D-notice against publication.
2798
2799595
280000:31:00,656 --> 00:31:02,156
2801Well, which I will
2802most certainly do
2803
2804596
280500:31:02,158 --> 00:31:04,392
2806if I think the publication
2807might in any way
2808
2809597
281000:31:04,394 --> 00:31:06,294
2811endanger the lives
2812of British people
2813
2814598
281500:31:06,296 --> 00:31:08,096
2816or British forces.
2817
2818599
281900:31:08,098 --> 00:31:09,897
2820- Understood.
2821- Good.
2822
2823600
282400:31:09,899 --> 00:31:11,700
2825(CHUCKLES)
2826
2827601
282800:31:11,702 --> 00:31:12,703
2829Go on.
2830
2831602
283200:31:14,003 --> 00:31:16,003
2833Would you say
2834it were likely real
2835
2836603
283700:31:16,005 --> 00:31:18,039
2838or a forgery?
2839
2840604
284100:31:18,041 --> 00:31:20,241
2842What do you think?
2843
2844605
284500:31:20,243 --> 00:31:22,176
2846I think it could be a fake
2847
2848606
284900:31:22,178 --> 00:31:24,548
2850put out
2851by the anti-war movement...
2852
2853607
285400:31:25,682 --> 00:31:28,584
2855...or by a foreign agency
2856to embarrass the US.
2857
2858608
285900:31:28,586 --> 00:31:31,720
2860- Which agency?
2861- The Russians.
2862
2863609
286400:31:31,722 --> 00:31:33,355
2865I mean, the French
2866oppose the war, too,
2867
2868610
286900:31:33,357 --> 00:31:34,823
2870but I don't think
2871they'd do this.
2872
2873611
287400:31:34,825 --> 00:31:37,491
2875I think you might be
2876overthinking it as usual, Martin.
2877
2878612
287900:31:37,493 --> 00:31:40,530
2880- Meaning?
2881- You tell me.
2882
2883613
288400:31:41,999 --> 00:31:44,868
2885Well, meaning it could be
2886exactly what it says it is.
2887
2888614
288900:31:48,205 --> 00:31:50,505
2890You know, Martin,
2891I believe that all information
2892
2893615
289400:31:50,507 --> 00:31:53,978
2895collected in the name of the
2896public should be made public.
2897
2898616
289900:31:55,412 --> 00:31:58,113
2900The only question is, when.
2901
2902617
290300:31:58,115 --> 00:32:02,151
2904But in this case,
2905I don't have the luxury of time, Admiral.
2906
2907618
290800:32:02,153 --> 00:32:04,555
2909Powell just made
2910a very strong case for war.
2911
2912619
291300:32:05,255 --> 00:32:06,656
2914Yes, I see.
2915
2916620
291700:32:10,828 --> 00:32:13,561
2918I have also always believed
2919
2920621
292100:32:13,563 --> 00:32:16,431
2922that censorship
2923when called for
2924
2925622
292600:32:16,433 --> 00:32:20,605
2927should be based
2928on security issues alone...
2929
2930623
293100:32:22,239 --> 00:32:23,570
2932...not on whether
2933a news report
2934
2935624
293600:32:23,572 --> 00:32:25,508
2937might embarrass
2938a government.
2939
2940625
294100:32:30,146 --> 00:32:31,348
2942Thank you, Admiral.
2943
2944626
294500:32:32,649 --> 00:32:35,584
2946EDIE: (ON SPEAKER) Ed,
2947it's Edie from the London office.
2948
2949627
295000:32:35,586 --> 00:32:37,352
2951I got a weird message for you
2952
2953628
295400:32:37,354 --> 00:32:39,121
2955from someone
2956who wouldn't give his name.
2957
2958629
295900:32:39,123 --> 00:32:42,691
2960He said you should call
2961extension 6727.
2962
2963630
296400:32:42,693 --> 00:32:45,759
2965Makes no sense to me,
2966but maybe to you.
2967
2968631
296900:32:45,761 --> 00:32:48,529
29706727. Good luck.
2971
2972632
297300:32:48,531 --> 00:32:49,931
2974- 6727.
2975- Bye-bye.
2976
2977633
297800:32:49,933 --> 00:32:53,971
29796727. 6727. 6727.
2980
2981634
298200:32:55,271 --> 00:32:56,807
2983(BUTTONS BEEPING)
2984
2985635
298600:32:59,876 --> 00:33:01,309
29876727.
2988
2989636
299000:33:01,311 --> 00:33:04,413
2991(LINE RINGING)
2992
2993637
299400:33:04,415 --> 00:33:06,614
2995OPERATOR: NSA.
2996How may I direct your call?
2997
2998638
299900:33:06,616 --> 00:33:10,285
3000Hello.
3001Extension 6727, please.
3002
3003639
300400:33:10,287 --> 00:33:12,086
30056727?
3006
3007640
300800:33:12,088 --> 00:33:14,021
30096727, yes.
3010
3011641
301200:33:14,023 --> 00:33:15,025
3013One moment.
3014
3015642
301600:33:17,293 --> 00:33:18,695
3017SECRETARY:
3018Frank Koza's office.
3019
3020643
302100:33:20,496 --> 00:33:22,931
3022Hello, may I speak
3023to Mr. Frank Koza, please?
3024
3025644
302600:33:22,933 --> 00:33:23,798
3027Who shall I say is calling?
3028
3029645
303000:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,334
3031I can't say.
3032Just put me through.
3033
3034646
303500:33:26,336 --> 00:33:27,538
3036Yes, sir.
3037
3038647
303900:33:29,706 --> 00:33:30,840
3040KOZA: Hello?
3041
3042648
304300:33:32,509 --> 00:33:35,243
3044Mr. Koza? Mr. Frank Koza?
3045
3046649
304700:33:35,245 --> 00:33:37,612
3048Yes. Who's calling?
3049
3050650
305100:33:37,614 --> 00:33:39,647
3052Mr. Koza,
3053my name is Ed Vulliamy.
3054
3055651
305600:33:39,649 --> 00:33:42,451
3057I work for The Observer
3058newspaper in London.
3059
3060652
306100:33:42,453 --> 00:33:45,990
3062I wanted to ask you about
3063a memo you sent to GCHQ.
3064
3065653
306600:33:49,925 --> 00:33:51,095
3067Mr. Koza?
3068
3069654
307000:33:52,928 --> 00:33:55,029
3071(LINE DISCONNECTS)
3072
3073655
307400:33:55,031 --> 00:33:58,400
3075- Do you think this is real?
3076- ED: (ON PHONE) Yes, they put me through.
3077
3078656
307900:33:58,402 --> 00:34:00,001
3080- To Frank Koza?
3081- Yes.
3082
3083657
308400:34:00,003 --> 00:34:02,104
3085And you spoke to him
3086directly, right, Ed?
3087
3088658
308900:34:02,106 --> 00:34:04,838
3090Well, we didn't exactly
3091have a conversation.
3092
3093659
309400:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,241
3095Did you speak to him or not?
3096Yes or no, Ed? Jesus.
3097
3098660
309900:34:07,243 --> 00:34:08,442
3100Yes, but he cut me off
3101
3102661
310300:34:08,444 --> 00:34:09,810
3104when I said I worked
3105for The Observer.
3106
3107662
310800:34:09,812 --> 00:34:12,814
3109But you're sure that he
3110exists, right, Ed?
3111
3112663
311300:34:12,816 --> 00:34:14,082
3114Hell yes, I'm sure!
3115
3116664
311700:34:14,084 --> 00:34:17,319
3118I said, "Mr. Koza?"
3119He said, "Yes, who's calling?"
3120
3121665
312200:34:17,321 --> 00:34:18,852
3123All right. Thank you, Ed.
3124
3125666
312600:34:18,854 --> 00:34:21,223
3127Try not to fuck
3128this one up, Roger.
3129
3130667
313100:34:21,225 --> 00:34:23,091
3132- Fuck off.
3133- You're welcome, anytime.
3134
3135668
313600:34:23,093 --> 00:34:24,095
3137(CHUCKLES)
3138
3139669
314000:34:25,095 --> 00:34:27,696
3141- KAMAL: Hitler Diaries.
3142- What?
3143
3144670
314500:34:27,698 --> 00:34:30,098
3146I'm just saying it smells of a
3147forgery like the Hitler Diaries
3148
3149671
315000:34:30,100 --> 00:34:32,167
3151and, of course,
3152publishing those cost people their jobs.
3153
3154672
315500:34:32,169 --> 00:34:33,634
3156Which is precisely
3157why we're doing
3158
3159673
316000:34:33,636 --> 00:34:36,203
3161rigorous checking
3162on this, Kamal.
3163
3164674
316500:34:36,205 --> 00:34:38,339
3166- Who brought you this?
3167- Friend.
3168
3169675
317000:34:38,341 --> 00:34:40,341
3171- Someone from GCHQ?
3172- No.
3173
3174676
317500:34:40,343 --> 00:34:41,811
3176Then who?
3177
3178677
317900:34:44,747 --> 00:34:47,549
3180- Yvonne Ridley.
3181- ROGER: Yvonne fucking Ridley!
3182
3183678
318400:34:47,551 --> 00:34:49,651
3185The woman who fell off
3186a donkey in Afghanistan
3187
3188679
318900:34:49,653 --> 00:34:51,319
3190at some Taliban checkpoint!
3191
3192680
319300:34:51,321 --> 00:34:53,120
3194Her arse over a tit
3195with a camera up her burka
3196
3197681
319800:34:53,122 --> 00:34:54,388
3199and then she
3200converted to Islam
3201
3202682
320300:34:54,390 --> 00:34:55,823
3204after she was released
3205by her kidnapper.
3206
3207683
320800:34:55,825 --> 00:34:57,459
3209None of which means
3210she's not right!
3211
3212684
321300:34:57,461 --> 00:34:58,660
3214She's anti-war!
3215
3216685
321700:34:58,662 --> 00:35:01,162
3218She probably typed
3219the fucking thing herself.
3220
3221686
322200:35:01,164 --> 00:35:03,665
3223JAN: Martin, you realize the
3224legal risks we'll be taking?
3225
3226687
322700:35:03,667 --> 00:35:04,799
3228Yes.
3229
3230688
323100:35:04,801 --> 00:35:05,966
3232JAN: The last time we
3233published anything like this
3234
3235689
323600:35:05,968 --> 00:35:07,669
3237you and Roger
3238almost went to prison.
3239
3240690
324100:35:07,671 --> 00:35:09,238
3242Jan, the last time
3243our source claimed
3244
3245691
324600:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,973
3247MI6 had funded an attempted
3248assassination on Gaddafi.
3249
3250692
325100:35:11,975 --> 00:35:13,642
3252This document
3253doesn't accuse anyone
3254
3255693
325600:35:13,644 --> 00:35:15,576
3257of doing anything
3258remotely like that.
3259
3260694
326100:35:15,578 --> 00:35:19,046
3262No, it merely suggests
3263that the US government,
3264
3265695
326600:35:19,048 --> 00:35:22,616
3267with the help of Great Britain,
3268might try to twist arms
3269
3270696
327100:35:22,618 --> 00:35:25,653
3272and threaten UN delegates
3273into voting for a war in Iraq.
3274
3275697
327600:35:25,655 --> 00:35:27,792
3277It's a hell
3278of a story.
3279
3280698
328100:35:31,995 --> 00:35:33,627
3282Look, we know Koza exists.
3283
3284699
328500:35:33,629 --> 00:35:35,830
3286Beaver says the language
3287used is authentic.
3288
3289700
329000:35:35,832 --> 00:35:37,633
3291And Wilkinson says
3292that while publication
3293
3294701
329500:35:37,635 --> 00:35:38,901
3296may embarrass
3297both governments,
3298
3299702
330000:35:38,903 --> 00:35:40,701
3301he doesn't believe
3302that it poses a security risk
3303
3304703
330500:35:40,703 --> 00:35:42,803
3306to the British people
3307or the armed forces.
3308
3309704
331000:35:42,805 --> 00:35:44,138
3311Ironically,
3312publication may actually
3313
3314705
331500:35:44,140 --> 00:35:46,107
3316prevent a war
3317and save lives.
3318
3319706
332000:35:46,109 --> 00:35:48,176
3321- Well.
3322- MI6?
3323
3324707
332500:35:48,178 --> 00:35:51,581
3326- Would not confirm but did not deny.
3327- (SCOFFS)
3328
3329708
333000:35:53,350 --> 00:35:54,915
3331Jan, where are we legally?
3332
3333709
333400:35:54,917 --> 00:35:56,817
3335Wilkinson may not issue
3336a D-Notice
3337
3338710
333900:35:56,819 --> 00:35:59,220
3340but that doesn't stop Special
3341Branch from coming after us.
3342
3343711
334400:35:59,222 --> 00:36:02,423
3345- Thank you.
3346- Legally, we have a top secret document
3347
3348712
334900:36:02,425 --> 00:36:03,693
3350in our possession.
3351
3352713
335300:36:07,129 --> 00:36:09,430
3354Look, Rog, don't forget
3355
3356714
335700:36:09,432 --> 00:36:11,098
3358we're getting
3359detailed information
3360
3361715
336200:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,868
3363directly
3364from Blair's office.
3365
3366716
336700:36:12,870 --> 00:36:14,701
3368- Fuck off.
3369- Well, he's right.
3370
3371717
337200:36:14,703 --> 00:36:17,339
3373Printing this kind of story
3374would kill that relationship.
3375
3376718
337700:36:17,341 --> 00:36:19,975
3378Since when did this paper
3379prioritize political access
3380
3381719
338200:36:19,977 --> 00:36:21,977
3383over its own
3384investigative reporting?
3385
3386720
338700:36:21,979 --> 00:36:24,546
3388- PETER: Yes.
3389- We have taken a position on this, guys!
3390
3391721
339200:36:24,548 --> 00:36:26,183
3393We support the war.
3394
3395722
339600:36:28,350 --> 00:36:30,488
3397Yes. We do.
3398
3399723
340000:36:31,955 --> 00:36:33,120
3401Fuck.
3402
3403724
340400:36:33,122 --> 00:36:35,059
3405ROGER: But Peter's right.
3406
3407725
340800:36:35,825 --> 00:36:37,995
3409This is a fucking good story.
3410
3411726
341200:36:48,972 --> 00:36:50,207
3413Thank you, Roger.
3414(CLEARS THROAT)
3415
3416727
341700:36:52,242 --> 00:36:53,510
3418(DOOR CLOSES)
3419
3420728
342100:36:54,077 --> 00:36:55,111
3422Here we go.
3423
3424729
342500:37:07,323 --> 00:37:08,957
3426Wait, I'll come with you.
3427
3428730
342900:37:08,959 --> 00:37:10,390
3430I'm just going to go
3431get some milk.
3432
3433731
343400:37:10,392 --> 00:37:11,892
3435Go back to bed.
3436I'll bring you a coffee.
3437
3438732
343900:37:11,894 --> 00:37:12,929
3440Okay.
3441
3442733
344300:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,043
3444- Hi.
3445- Morning.
3446
3447734
344800:37:43,993 --> 00:37:45,095
3449Hey.
3450
3451735
345200:37:52,669 --> 00:37:54,138
3453What's the matter, janum?
3454
3455736
345600:37:57,807 --> 00:37:59,506
3457(KATHARINE RETCHES)
3458
3459737
346000:37:59,508 --> 00:38:00,711
3461What's going on?
3462
3463738
346400:38:08,651 --> 00:38:10,484
3465- Bravo, Martin.
3466- MAN: Ah, there he is.
3467
3468739
346900:38:10,486 --> 00:38:11,886
3470Well done.
3471
3472740
347300:38:11,888 --> 00:38:13,788
3474(CHEERING)
3475
3476741
347700:38:13,790 --> 00:38:16,625
3478- WOMAN: Here he is!
3479- MAN: Nice one, Martin.
3480
3481742
348200:38:16,627 --> 00:38:18,762
3483(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
3484
3485743
348600:38:23,033 --> 00:38:26,767
3487ROGER:
3488Brighty, congratulations.
3489
3490744
349100:38:26,769 --> 00:38:28,270
3492Bloody brilliant.
3493
3494745
349500:38:28,272 --> 00:38:30,203
3496- Thank you.
3497- What have you got for me next?
3498
3499746
350000:38:30,205 --> 00:38:32,240
3501PETER: Every major
3502European paper is citing us
3503
3504747
350500:38:32,242 --> 00:38:34,810
3506and we've had calls
3507in from CNN, NBC, and Fox.
3508
3509748
351000:38:34,812 --> 00:38:36,544
3511They all want to interview you
3512for their morning shows
3513
3514749
351500:38:36,546 --> 00:38:37,946
3516when they wake up in the US.
3517
3518750
351900:38:37,948 --> 00:38:39,145
3520Any response
3521from Downing Street?
3522
3523751
352400:38:39,147 --> 00:38:41,885
3525We got a call in,
3526but they're scrambling.
3527
3528752
352900:38:45,689 --> 00:38:46,957
3530Martin, line 2.
3531
3532753
353300:38:48,524 --> 00:38:49,792
3534Martin Bright.
3535
3536754
353700:38:51,227 --> 00:38:53,262
3538Thank you. Thank you.
3539
3540755
354100:38:54,062 --> 00:38:55,330
3542No.
3543
3544756
354500:38:55,332 --> 00:38:57,701
3546Uh, no, the person who leaked
3547it hasn't been identified.
3548
3549757
355000:39:00,502 --> 00:39:02,569
3551YASAR: Why'd you do it?
3552
3553758
355400:39:02,571 --> 00:39:04,205
3555I just thought
3556that they'd investigate.
3557
3558759
355900:39:04,207 --> 00:39:06,240
3560I never expected them
3561to print the whole memo.
3562
3563760
356400:39:06,242 --> 00:39:07,542
3565Why didn't you tell me?
3566
3567761
356800:39:07,544 --> 00:39:10,147
3569Sorry, I didn't,
3570I didn't, I...
3571
3572762
357300:39:11,147 --> 00:39:12,747
3574I thought that you would try
3575and talk me out of it
3576
3577763
357800:39:12,749 --> 00:39:13,814
3579and I didn't want you to.
3580
3581764
358200:39:13,816 --> 00:39:15,482
3583- My God, janum.
3584- I'm so sorry.
3585
3586765
358700:39:15,484 --> 00:39:16,854
3588They don't
3589mention your name?
3590
3591766
359200:39:18,754 --> 00:39:22,126
3593- I haven't told anyone.
3594- Good. That's good.
3595
3596767
359700:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,830
3598That's very kind.
3599All right, thank you.
3600
3601768
360200:39:28,397 --> 00:39:31,466
3603Why don't you get in touch
3604with your friend Tony, Kamal?
3605
3606769
360700:39:31,468 --> 00:39:34,069
3608- Ask him if he has an opinion.
3609- That's not funny, Rog.
3610
3611770
361200:39:34,071 --> 00:39:35,069
3613- Martin?
3614- Yes?
3615
3616771
361700:39:35,071 --> 00:39:37,305
3618NBC just canceled
3619your interview.
3620
3621772
362200:39:37,307 --> 00:39:38,375
3623What?
3624
3625773
362600:39:39,843 --> 00:39:42,642
3627NBC no longer wished
3628to interview Martin.
3629
3630774
363100:39:42,644 --> 00:39:44,979
3632Did they say why?
3633
3634775
363500:39:44,981 --> 00:39:46,647
3636They just said sorry,
3637but they didn't think
3638
3639776
364000:39:46,649 --> 00:39:48,281
3641they could
3642fit you in anymore.
3643
3644777
364500:39:48,283 --> 00:39:49,417
3646Really?
3647
3648778
364900:39:49,419 --> 00:39:52,654
3650Brighty, reporter
3651from Santiago.
3652
3653779
365400:39:52,656 --> 00:39:54,692
3655Thank you. Martin Bright.
3656
3657780
365800:39:56,559 --> 00:39:57,825
3659MARTIN: Ah, uh. No.
3660
3661781
366200:39:57,827 --> 00:39:59,528
3663At this stage,
3664we have no idea what information
3665
3666782
366700:39:59,530 --> 00:40:01,263
3668was gathered from Chile
3669or any of the other countries.
3670
3671783
367200:40:01,265 --> 00:40:02,529
3673- Peter.
3674- Yeah?
3675
3676784
367700:40:02,531 --> 00:40:04,732
3678Fox says that
3679they have to cancel.
3680
3681785
368200:40:04,734 --> 00:40:05,933
3683What? Why?
3684
3685786
368600:40:05,935 --> 00:40:08,602
3687Uh, yeah, Mexico
3688is furious too.
3689
3690787
369100:40:08,604 --> 00:40:09,937
3692Okay.
3693Thank you.
3694
3695788
369600:40:09,939 --> 00:40:11,404
3697- Martin?
3698- Yes?
3699
3700789
370100:40:11,406 --> 00:40:13,142
3702I've got a producer
3703from CNN.
3704
3705790
370600:40:15,446 --> 00:40:16,447
3707Martin Bright.
3708
3709791
371000:40:19,249 --> 00:40:20,250
3711I see.
3712
3713792
371400:40:22,084 --> 00:40:24,454
3715No. No, no. No, no.
3716That's all right.
3717
3718793
371900:40:25,589 --> 00:40:26,720
3720Ah...
3721
3722794
372300:40:26,722 --> 00:40:28,024
3724May I ask why?
3725
3726795
372700:40:29,658 --> 00:40:31,828
3728Yes, I stand by it.
3729Of course I stand by it.
3730
3731796
373200:40:32,729 --> 00:40:34,064
3733The Drudge Report?
3734
3735797
373600:40:37,434 --> 00:40:38,435
3737Yeah.
3738
3739798
374000:40:39,401 --> 00:40:41,069
3741All right, okay.
3742
3743799
374400:40:41,071 --> 00:40:43,470
3745ROGER:
3746What the fuck is going on?
3747
3748800
374900:40:43,472 --> 00:40:46,209
3750(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
3751
3752801
375300:41:00,122 --> 00:41:01,221
3754It's fake.
3755
3756802
375700:41:01,223 --> 00:41:03,057
3758We've printed
3759a fake fucking memo
3760
3761803
376200:41:03,059 --> 00:41:05,261
3763from Yvonne
3764fucking Ridley!
3765
3766804
376700:41:09,798 --> 00:41:13,634
3768Oh, you fucking idiot.
3769There. You see it?
3770
3771805
377200:41:13,636 --> 00:41:15,303
3773Because the Americans did.
3774
3775806
377600:41:15,305 --> 00:41:18,205
3777Favourable. F-A-V-O-U-R.
3778
3779807
378000:41:18,207 --> 00:41:23,111
3781Some English cunt has tried
3782to fake an American NSA memo
3783
3784808
378500:41:23,113 --> 00:41:25,580
3786and you fucking schmucks
3787fell for it.
3788
3789809
379000:41:25,582 --> 00:41:27,818
3791Wait. Martin,
3792where's the original?
3793
3794810
379500:41:28,818 --> 00:41:29,884
3796Where's the original document?
3797
3798811
379900:41:29,886 --> 00:41:31,187
3800ROGER: Jesus.
3801
3802812
380300:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,464
3804- American spelling.
3805- ROGER: What?
3806
3807813
380800:41:44,466 --> 00:41:46,235
3809MARTIN: The original
3810has American spelling.
3811
3812814
381300:41:48,271 --> 00:41:50,537
3814And this is
3815what I filed, see?
3816
3817815
381800:41:50,539 --> 00:41:52,173
3819Favorable. O-R.
3820
3821816
382200:41:52,175 --> 00:41:53,908
3823Just like the original.
3824Not O-U-R.
3825
3826817
382700:41:53,910 --> 00:41:56,914
3828And recognize with a Z,
3829not an S.
3830
3831818
383200:42:01,484 --> 00:42:03,319
3833Who changed what I wrote?
3834
3835819
383600:42:06,756 --> 00:42:08,055
3837Who...
3838
3839820
384000:42:08,057 --> 00:42:09,189
3841Who changed
3842what I fucking wrote?
3843
3844821
384500:42:09,191 --> 00:42:11,360
3846ROGER: Come on, speak up!
3847Who did this?
3848
3849822
385000:42:24,539 --> 00:42:26,309
3851Nicole,
3852what did you do?
3853
3854823
385500:42:28,276 --> 00:42:29,512
3856I, um...
3857
3858824
385900:42:31,546 --> 00:42:33,316
3860I ran it through spell check.
3861
3862825
386300:42:37,754 --> 00:42:40,057
3864- Spell check?
3865- Jesus.
3866
3867826
386800:42:41,290 --> 00:42:43,890
3869That's what I always do.
3870I'm so sorry.
3871
3872827
387300:42:43,892 --> 00:42:45,660
3874Do not cry, Nicole.
3875
3876828
387700:42:45,662 --> 00:42:48,131
3878Do not fucking cry.
3879
3880829
388100:42:53,135 --> 00:42:54,935
3882Okay, well, we know
3883that it's not fake.
3884
3885830
388600:42:54,937 --> 00:42:57,805
3887We go online, we explain what
3888happened, we call all of the networks.
3889
3890831
389100:42:57,807 --> 00:42:59,173
3892Stop it, Martin.
3893
3894832
389500:42:59,175 --> 00:43:01,843
3896Fuck, Rog, it was
3897an honest mistake.
3898
3899833
390000:43:01,845 --> 00:43:04,011
3901Don't be so naive.
3902
3903834
390400:43:04,013 --> 00:43:07,247
3905You're an American editor.
3906What story do you put out now?
3907
3908835
390900:43:07,249 --> 00:43:10,319
3910That The Observer is
3911doubling down on a fake memo?
3912
3913836
391400:43:11,287 --> 00:43:13,053
3915Or that the staff
3916of this newspaper
3917
3918837
391900:43:13,055 --> 00:43:16,492
3920are really so
3921colossally stupid!
3922
3923838
392400:43:20,796 --> 00:43:22,331
3925(NICOLE SOBBING)
3926
3927839
392800:43:29,972 --> 00:43:33,042
3929It's all right.
3930Would you like a cup of tea?
3931
3932840
393300:43:53,763 --> 00:43:55,663
3934FIONA:
3935Someone in this building
3936
3937841
393800:43:55,665 --> 00:44:00,133
3939has betrayed their government
3940and their country.
3941
3942842
394300:44:00,135 --> 00:44:03,037
3944Now I'm sure it wasn't
3945anyone in this division,
3946
3947843
394800:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,638
3949but starting today,
3950
3951844
395200:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,908
3953Internal Security will be
3954conducting interviews
3955
3956845
395700:44:07,910 --> 00:44:10,712
3958with each
3959and every one of you.
3960
3961846
396200:44:10,714 --> 00:44:14,214
3963If you know anything
3964or suspect anyone,
3965
3966847
396700:44:14,216 --> 00:44:17,917
3968it is your sworn duty
3969to speak up.
3970
3971848
397200:44:17,919 --> 00:44:20,388
3973If you do not
3974and you are found to have
3975
3976849
397700:44:20,390 --> 00:44:22,790
3978withheld information
3979of any kind,
3980
3981850
398200:44:22,792 --> 00:44:25,292
3983you will be charged
3984with a breach
3985
3986851
398700:44:25,294 --> 00:44:28,197
3988of the Official Secrets Act.
3989
3990852
399100:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,537
3992(HEAVY BREATHING)
3993
3994853
399500:45:16,446 --> 00:45:19,580
3996You should see the file
3997that tosser's got on me.
3998
3999854
400000:45:19,582 --> 00:45:21,417
4001- What did he ask you?
4002- FIONA: Katharine!
4003
4004855
400500:45:32,095 --> 00:45:33,629
4006Come in, Katharine.
4007
4008856
400900:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,966
4010- Katharine Gun?
4011- Yes?
4012
4013857
401400:45:39,968 --> 00:45:42,671
4015I'm John from
4016Internal Security. Please.
4017
4018858
401900:45:50,046 --> 00:45:51,281
4020(EXHALES)
4021
4022859
402300:45:56,019 --> 00:45:58,055
4024Mandarin translator.
4025
4026860
402700:45:58,620 --> 00:46:01,656
4028GCHQ for two years.
4029
4030861
403100:46:01,658 --> 00:46:04,024
4032- Yes.
4033- And before that?
4034
4035862
403600:46:04,026 --> 00:46:06,259
4037I taught English
4038to Japanese students.
4039
4040863
404100:46:06,261 --> 00:46:08,231
4042- Hiroshima, right?
4043- Yes.
4044
4045864
404600:46:09,097 --> 00:46:10,897
4047Interesting.
4048
4049865
405000:46:10,899 --> 00:46:13,868
4051Did you visit the memorial?
4052
4053866
405400:46:13,870 --> 00:46:15,035
4055The peace memorial?
4056
4057867
405800:46:15,037 --> 00:46:17,274
4059To the people
4060killed by the atomic bomb?
4061
4062868
406300:46:19,042 --> 00:46:20,808
4064Yes, actually, I did.
4065
4066869
406700:46:20,810 --> 00:46:21,845
4068It's, uh...
4069
4070870
407100:46:23,412 --> 00:46:24,745
4072It's something
4073you really have to see.
4074
4075871
407600:46:24,747 --> 00:46:26,149
4077It's very moving.
4078
4079872
408000:46:28,450 --> 00:46:31,718
4081Compels one to think
4082about the consequences of war,
4083
4084873
408500:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,888
4086doesn't it?
4087
4088874
408900:46:33,890 --> 00:46:37,424
4090- Yes, I suppose it does.
4091- Are you anti-war, Katharine?
4092
4093875
409400:46:37,426 --> 00:46:38,558
4095No.
4096
4097876
409800:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,765
4099Uh, I think
4100sometimes war is necessary.
4101
4102877
410300:46:46,903 --> 00:46:49,002
4104I see you lived in Taiwan
4105as a child?
4106
4107878
410800:46:49,004 --> 00:46:51,205
4109- Yes.
4110- How long did you live there?
4111
4112879
411300:46:51,207 --> 00:46:53,040
4114We moved over
4115when I was three.
4116
4117880
411800:46:53,042 --> 00:46:55,308
4119I came back
4120to do my A-levels.
4121
4122881
412300:46:55,310 --> 00:46:56,678
4124So for most
4125of your childhood then?
4126
4127882
412800:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,681
4129Yes.
4130
4131883
413200:46:59,115 --> 00:47:00,781
4133You had
4134a religious upbringing?
4135
4136884
413700:47:00,783 --> 00:47:02,015
4138No, not particularly.
4139
4140885
414100:47:02,017 --> 00:47:03,149
4142But were you sent away
4143
4144886
414500:47:03,151 --> 00:47:05,386
4146to a Christian missionary
4147school in Taiwan?
4148
4149887
415000:47:05,388 --> 00:47:06,419
4151Yes.
4152
4153888
415400:47:06,421 --> 00:47:08,388
4155Gave you a clear sense
4156of right and wrong, did it,
4157
4158889
415900:47:08,390 --> 00:47:09,624
4160being in a mission school?
4161
4162890
416300:47:09,626 --> 00:47:10,991
4164I think my parents
4165gave me that.
4166
4167891
416800:47:10,993 --> 00:47:12,125
4169(CHUCKLES)
4170
4171892
417200:47:12,127 --> 00:47:13,463
4173Did you leak
4174the Koza e-mail?
4175
4176893
417700:47:14,698 --> 00:47:15,997
4178- No.
4179- No?
4180
4181894
418200:47:15,999 --> 00:47:17,200
4183No.
4184
4185895
418600:47:19,234 --> 00:47:20,700
4187- But you read it?
4188- Yes.
4189
4190896
419100:47:20,702 --> 00:47:23,270
4192I mean, it was sent to me,
4193so I read it.
4194
4195897
419600:47:23,272 --> 00:47:25,908
4197What were your immediate
4198thoughts after you read it?
4199
4200898
420100:47:27,142 --> 00:47:28,709
4202Nothing much.
4203It didn't really bother me.
4204
4205899
420600:47:28,711 --> 00:47:30,847
4207- It didn't?
4208- No.
4209
4210900
421100:47:33,249 --> 00:47:35,651
4212Who do you think
4213might have leaked it?
4214
4215901
421600:47:39,821 --> 00:47:42,122
4217- I have no idea.
4218- No?
4219
4220902
422100:47:42,124 --> 00:47:44,024
4222- No.
4223- No?
4224
4225903
422600:47:44,026 --> 00:47:45,227
4227No.
4228
4229904
423000:47:47,863 --> 00:47:49,598
4231Thank you, Mrs. Gun.
4232
4233905
423400:47:50,700 --> 00:47:52,468
4235That's all for now.
4236
4237906
423800:47:58,908 --> 00:48:00,874
4239Eat a little.
4240
4241907
424200:48:00,876 --> 00:48:01,877
4243Please.
4244
4245908
424600:48:04,546 --> 00:48:07,716
4247They're bringing everyone in.
4248One by one.
4249
4250909
425100:48:11,321 --> 00:48:12,756
4252You haven't said anything?
4253
4254910
425500:48:14,089 --> 00:48:15,858
4256Okay. Just eat a little.
4257
4258911
425900:48:19,461 --> 00:48:21,463
4260Everything
4261will be all right.
4262
4263912
426400:48:26,001 --> 00:48:27,203
4265Eat.
4266
4267913
426800:48:35,144 --> 00:48:37,211
4269Hi, Fiona, it's Katharine.
4270
4271914
427200:48:37,213 --> 00:48:38,779
4273Um...
4274
4275915
427600:48:38,781 --> 00:48:39,879
4277I'm so sorry
4278
4279916
428000:48:39,881 --> 00:48:42,450
4281but I don't think I'm gonna
4282be able to come in today.
4283
4284917
428500:48:42,452 --> 00:48:45,354
4286Yeah, I think
4287I've caught a tummy bug.
4288
4289918
429000:48:47,156 --> 00:48:48,358
4291Yeah.
4292
4293919
429400:48:49,658 --> 00:48:51,158
4295Thank you.
4296
4297920
429800:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,394
4299Thank you so much.
4300
4301921
430200:48:53,396 --> 00:48:54,964
4303What'd she say?
4304
4305922
430600:48:56,066 --> 00:48:57,765
4307She said
4308I should get some rest.
4309
4310923
431100:48:57,767 --> 00:48:59,265
4312Good.
4313
4314924
431500:48:59,267 --> 00:49:01,370
4316- She was nice.
4317- That's good.
4318
4319925
432000:49:03,807 --> 00:49:04,874
4321Try and sleep.
4322
4323926
432400:49:08,077 --> 00:49:09,845
4325Sorry, I have to go.
4326
4327927
432800:49:21,890 --> 00:49:25,158
4329REPORTER: ...ask you about a
4330report in The Observer newspaper
4331
4332928
433300:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,160
4334in London, a memo
4335
4336929
433700:49:27,162 --> 00:49:30,698
4338reported to be from a man
4339who actually works at the NSA
4340
4341930
434200:49:30,700 --> 00:49:34,634
4343in which he describes
4344a "surge in surveillance
4345
4346931
434700:49:34,636 --> 00:49:37,370
4348"of UN Security Council
4349members."
4350
4351932
435200:49:37,372 --> 00:49:38,506
4353What's your response?
4354
4355933
435600:49:38,508 --> 00:49:41,241
4357Terry, as a matter
4358of long-standing policy
4359
4360934
436100:49:41,243 --> 00:49:43,509
4362the administration
4363never comments on anything
4364
4365935
436600:49:43,511 --> 00:49:46,881
4367involving any people
4368involved in intelligence.
4369
4370936
437100:49:46,883 --> 00:49:49,582
4372- No, of course, you don't.
4373- What the fuck?
4374
4375937
437600:49:49,584 --> 00:49:51,651
4377REPORTER: If you're
4378a Cameroonian diplomat
4379
4380938
438100:49:51,653 --> 00:49:54,087
4382or a French diplomat
4383at the United Nations
4384
4385939
438600:49:54,089 --> 00:49:55,689
4387then you're gonna have
4388to operate on the assumption
4389
4390940
439100:49:55,691 --> 00:49:56,857
4392that the United States
4393is bugging you.
4394
4395941
439600:49:56,859 --> 00:49:59,493
4397No, it's a blanket matter
4398of policy
4399
4400942
440100:49:59,495 --> 00:50:02,263
4402that we do not answer
4403questions of that nature...
4404
4405943
440600:50:02,265 --> 00:50:03,863
4407- Hi.
4408- Hi.
4409
4410944
441100:50:03,865 --> 00:50:06,100
4412...I'm not indicating to you
4413whether it's true or not true.
4414
4415945
441600:50:06,102 --> 00:50:07,500
4417Have you eaten?
4418
4419946
442000:50:07,502 --> 00:50:10,970
4421...of policy that predates
4422this administration.
4423
4424947
442500:50:10,972 --> 00:50:14,410
4426- I brought soup. A bean salad.
4427- (TURNS OFF TV)
4428
4429948
443000:50:15,410 --> 00:50:16,912
4431I'm gonna say it was me.
4432
4433949
443400:50:18,347 --> 00:50:21,182
4435The Americans are refusing to
4436admit that the memo was real.
4437
4438950
443900:50:21,184 --> 00:50:23,250
4440- I have to tell the truth.
4441- No.
4442
4443951
444400:50:23,252 --> 00:50:26,520
4445If I don't, then they'll get
4446away with saying it was a fake.
4447
4448952
444900:50:26,522 --> 00:50:29,624
4450Janum, you did what you could.
4451Now leave it alone, please!
4452
4453953
445400:50:29,626 --> 00:50:30,691
4455What am I supposed to do?
4456
4457954
445800:50:30,693 --> 00:50:32,426
4459Am I supposed
4460to keep lying forever?
4461
4462955
446300:50:32,428 --> 00:50:34,261
4464If you say nothing,
4465they can never prove anything.
4466
4467956
446800:50:34,263 --> 00:50:36,129
4469They are questioning
4470everyone at work.
4471
4472957
447300:50:36,131 --> 00:50:37,296
4474They're interrogating
4475my friends.
4476
4477958
447800:50:37,298 --> 00:50:38,832
4479They're asking people
4480to name names.
4481
4482959
448300:50:38,834 --> 00:50:42,201
4484- That will be over soon.
4485- And then what?
4486
4487960
448800:50:42,203 --> 00:50:43,638
4489There will be a question mark
4490
4491961
449200:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,038
4493in hundreds of people's files
4494because of me.
4495
4496962
449700:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,341
4498They will put you in jail!
4499
4500963
450100:50:48,343 --> 00:50:49,676
4502I have to prove
4503it was real.
4504
4505964
450600:50:49,678 --> 00:50:50,877
4507Everyone at work knows that
4508
4509965
451000:50:50,879 --> 00:50:53,113
4511what the NSA
4512asked us to do was illegal.
4513
4514966
451500:50:53,115 --> 00:50:54,983
4516- Nobody cares!
4517- Well, I care!
4518
4519967
452000:50:57,318 --> 00:50:59,185
4521If I don't say it was me,
4522then we'll go to war
4523
4524968
452500:50:59,187 --> 00:51:01,488
4526based on blackmail
4527and lies.
4528
4529969
453000:51:01,490 --> 00:51:03,626
4531And I can't live
4532with that. I won't.
4533
4534970
453500:51:05,627 --> 00:51:07,629
4536Janum, please listen to me.
4537
4538971
453900:51:08,964 --> 00:51:09,930
4540I work at a cafe.
4541
4542972
454300:51:09,932 --> 00:51:11,832
4544I took the job
4545because I needed a job.
4546
4547973
454800:51:11,834 --> 00:51:13,667
4549But it's just a job.
4550
4551974
455200:51:13,669 --> 00:51:16,002
4553You did the same thing,
4554remember?
4555
4556975
455700:51:16,004 --> 00:51:18,104
4558When you saw the advert,
4559you said you didn't even know
4560
4561976
456200:51:18,106 --> 00:51:19,842
4563what the job really was.
4564
4565977
456600:51:21,944 --> 00:51:23,580
4567It's just a job.
4568
4569978
457000:51:24,446 --> 00:51:26,383
4571And you can get
4572another job.
4573
4574979
457500:51:29,651 --> 00:51:31,984
4576You just need to keep your
4577head down for a few more weeks
4578
4579980
458000:51:31,986 --> 00:51:33,455
4581until things calm down.
4582
4583981
458400:51:34,689 --> 00:51:36,892
4585Then you resign,
4586you can get another job.
4587
4588982
458900:51:54,477 --> 00:51:56,780
4590MI-YUNG: Hey.
4591(SPEAKING MANDARIN)
4592
4593983
459400:52:03,919 --> 00:52:05,618
4595ANDY: On a diet?
4596
4597984
459800:52:05,620 --> 00:52:07,823
4599- What?
4600- No cinnamon bun?
4601
4602985
460300:52:08,356 --> 00:52:09,625
4604(SIGHS)
4605
4606986
460700:52:10,392 --> 00:52:11,827
4608Who's in there now?
4609
4610987
461100:52:12,861 --> 00:52:15,529
4612Nuri. Second time.
4613
4614988
461500:52:15,531 --> 00:52:17,767
4616Had him take a lie detector
4617test yesterday.
4618
4619989
462000:52:22,571 --> 00:52:23,772
4621FIONA: Mi-Yung!
4622
4623990
462400:53:16,057 --> 00:53:17,193
4625(KNOCKS)
4626
4627991
462800:53:22,765 --> 00:53:23,933
4629I did it.
4630
4631992
463200:53:26,269 --> 00:53:27,736
4633It was me.
4634
4635993
463600:53:31,607 --> 00:53:32,941
4637Oh, Katharine.
4638
4639994
464000:53:38,013 --> 00:53:39,148
4641Leave us, please.
4642
4643995
464400:54:33,468 --> 00:54:34,803
4645Handbag.
4646
4647996
464800:54:37,305 --> 00:54:38,307
4649Rings.
4650
4651997
465200:54:41,075 --> 00:54:42,311
4653Necklace.
4654
4655998
465600:54:43,646 --> 00:54:46,212
4657Watch. Belt.
4658
4659999
466000:54:46,214 --> 00:54:48,084
4661- I don't have a belt.
4662- (NECKLACE CLINKS)
4663
46641000
466500:54:50,885 --> 00:54:52,821
4666OFFICER:
4667Take her through cell 7.
4668
46691001
467000:54:58,461 --> 00:54:59,729
4671(CELL DOOR OPENS)
4672
46731002
467400:55:06,401 --> 00:55:09,002
4675(LOCKS DOOR)
4676
46771003
467800:55:09,004 --> 00:55:11,874
4679SECURITY OFFICER: I've found the
4680passports and a couple of foreign books.
4681
46821004
468300:55:14,209 --> 00:55:15,644
4684YASAR: Who are you?
4685
46861005
468700:55:17,347 --> 00:55:18,781
4688Where's my wife?
4689
46901006
469100:55:21,350 --> 00:55:23,683
4692I want to see her.
4693Where is she?
4694
46951007
469600:55:23,685 --> 00:55:27,053
4697They can't keep me long.
4698They haven't charged me yet.
4699
47001008
470100:55:27,055 --> 00:55:28,691
4702No contact, please.
4703
47041009
470500:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,330
4706- Where are they holding you?
4707- Downstairs.
4708
47091010
471000:55:37,432 --> 00:55:39,736
4711I'm okay.
4712I promise I'm okay.
4713
47141011
471500:55:48,477 --> 00:55:49,812
4716I brought this.
4717
47181012
471900:55:51,881 --> 00:55:53,816
4720It will get cold tonight.
4721
47221013
472300:55:58,287 --> 00:55:59,288
4724(SOFTLY) Thank you.
4725
47261014
472700:56:14,870 --> 00:56:16,305
4728OFFICER: Lights out.
4729
47301015
473100:56:22,211 --> 00:56:24,278
4732(FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
4733
47341016
473500:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,048
4736(DOOR UNLOCKS, OPENS)
4737
47381017
473900:56:28,283 --> 00:56:30,884
4740- Katharine Gun?
4741- Yes.
4742
47431018
474400:56:30,886 --> 00:56:34,057
4745We're from Scotland Yard.
4746Do you have a lawyer?
4747
47481019
474900:56:35,156 --> 00:56:36,055
4750No.
4751
47521020
475300:56:36,057 --> 00:56:38,424
4754TINTIN: There's a duty
4755solicitor on call.
4756
47571021
475800:56:38,426 --> 00:56:39,928
4759She'll sit in with you.
4760
47611022
476200:56:42,464 --> 00:56:44,298
4763(TAPE RECORDER CLICKS)
4764
47651023
476600:56:44,300 --> 00:56:47,633
4767TINTIN: Your supervisor speaks
4768highly of your integrity.
4769
47701024
477100:56:47,635 --> 00:56:51,971
4772She says this breach
4773was a foolish one-off.
4774
47751025
477600:56:51,973 --> 00:56:53,006
4777Was it?
4778
47791026
478000:56:53,008 --> 00:56:55,808
4781Do you mean if I leaked
4782anything else? No.
4783
47841027
478500:56:55,810 --> 00:56:57,879
4786- Do you intend to?
4787- No.
4788
47891028
479000:56:59,247 --> 00:57:01,714
4791I've always been very proud
4792to work at GCHQ.
4793
47941029
479500:57:01,716 --> 00:57:02,919
4796Until now.
4797
47981030
479900:57:04,319 --> 00:57:06,586
4800Yes. Until now.
4801
48021031
480300:57:06,588 --> 00:57:08,356
4804What were you
4805employed to do?
4806
48071032
480800:57:09,825 --> 00:57:11,761
4809Well, I can't be specific.
4810
48111033
481200:57:13,196 --> 00:57:14,330
4813Be general then.
4814
48151034
481600:57:15,564 --> 00:57:17,497
4817I translated signals
4818intelligence
4819
48201035
482100:57:17,499 --> 00:57:18,964
4822and I reported anything
4823
48241036
482500:57:18,966 --> 00:57:20,935
4826I thought might be of
4827interest to my clients.
4828
48291037
483000:57:20,937 --> 00:57:22,836
4831- Your clients?
4832- The Foreign Office.
4833
48341038
483500:57:22,838 --> 00:57:24,037
4836The Ministry of Defense.
4837
48381039
483900:57:24,039 --> 00:57:26,073
4840So, you work
4841for the British Government.
4842
48431040
484400:57:26,075 --> 00:57:28,941
4845- No. Not really.
4846- No?
4847
48481041
484900:57:28,943 --> 00:57:30,843
4850Governments change.
4851
48521042
485300:57:30,845 --> 00:57:32,779
4854I work for the British people.
4855
48561043
485700:57:32,781 --> 00:57:34,314
4858I gather intelligence
4859
48601044
486100:57:34,316 --> 00:57:38,419
4862so that the government can
4863protect the British people.
4864
48651045
486600:57:38,421 --> 00:57:41,687
4867I do not gather intelligence
4868so that the government can lie
4869
48701046
487100:57:41,689 --> 00:57:43,425
4872to the British people.
4873
48741047
487500:57:45,926 --> 00:57:48,662
4876With respect, Mrs. Gun,
4877
48781048
487900:57:48,664 --> 00:57:50,332
4880you're a spy.
4881
48821049
488300:57:51,133 --> 00:57:51,999
4884Yes.
4885
48861050
488700:57:52,001 --> 00:57:53,066
4888You gather information
4889
48901051
489100:57:53,068 --> 00:57:54,834
4892from people's phones
4893and computers
4894
48951052
489600:57:54,836 --> 00:57:56,837
4897and you feed that
4898to your clients.
4899
49001053
490100:57:56,839 --> 00:58:00,506
4902- Yes.
4903- You eavesdrop on private conversations.
4904
49051054
490600:58:00,508 --> 00:58:02,676
4907And now you're upset
4908at being asked to do that
4909
49101055
491100:58:02,678 --> 00:58:04,544
4912to members
4913of the Security Council?
4914
49151056
491600:58:04,546 --> 00:58:06,247
4917Detective...
4918
49191057
492000:58:06,249 --> 00:58:10,316
4921I don't object to being asked
4922to collect information
4923
49241058
492500:58:10,318 --> 00:58:13,486
4926that could help
4927prevent a terror attack.
4928
49291059
493000:58:13,488 --> 00:58:17,790
4931What I object to is being
4932asked to gather intelligence
4933
49341060
493500:58:17,792 --> 00:58:20,894
4936to help fix a vote at the UN
4937
49381061
493900:58:20,896 --> 00:58:23,932
4940and deceive the world
4941into going to war.
4942
49431062
494400:58:27,537 --> 00:58:30,169
4945- Who put you up to this?
4946- No one.
4947
49481063
494900:58:30,171 --> 00:58:31,805
4950But you gave the memo
4951to someone.
4952
49531064
495400:58:31,807 --> 00:58:34,241
4955Who did you give it to?
4956A journalist?
4957
49581065
495900:58:34,243 --> 00:58:37,211
4960Someone in the anti-war
4961movement?
4962
49631066
496400:58:37,213 --> 00:58:38,281
4965MAN: Your husband?
4966
49671067
496800:58:39,381 --> 00:58:40,647
4969SOLICITOR: You don't have
4970to answer that.
4971
49721068
497300:58:40,649 --> 00:58:41,948
4974No, I will answer that.
4975
49761069
497700:58:41,950 --> 00:58:43,984
4978My husband had absolutely
4979nothing to do with this.
4980
49811070
498200:58:43,986 --> 00:58:46,687
4983He was briefly detained
4984here, too, wasn't he?
4985
49861071
498700:58:46,689 --> 00:58:49,622
4988- Pending deportation?
4989- Yes, he was.
4990
49911072
499200:58:49,624 --> 00:58:52,359
4993- And then you married him.
4994- Yes.
4995
49961073
499700:58:52,361 --> 00:58:54,326
4998His paperwork
4999has been resubmitted.
5000
50011074
500200:58:54,328 --> 00:58:56,566
5003- He signs in here once a week.
5004- He's a Muslim.
5005
50061075
500700:58:58,566 --> 00:58:59,633
5008I'm sorry?
5009
50101076
501100:58:59,635 --> 00:59:01,368
5012TINTIN: He's a Kurdish Turk
5013
50141077
501500:59:01,370 --> 00:59:04,437
5016seeking permanent residence
5017in Britain.
5018
50191078
502000:59:04,439 --> 00:59:08,140
5021And given what Saddam Hussein
5022has done to the Kurdish people,
5023
50241079
502500:59:08,142 --> 00:59:12,379
5026murdering over 180,000 of
5027them with chemical weapons,
5028
50291080
503000:59:12,381 --> 00:59:13,814
5031I can assure you
5032
50331081
503400:59:13,816 --> 00:59:16,750
5035my husband has absolutely
5036no sympathy whatsoever
5037
50381082
503900:59:16,752 --> 00:59:17,884
5040with the Iraqi regime.
5041
50421083
504300:59:17,886 --> 00:59:19,153
5044Then why did you
5045leak a memo
5046
50471084
504800:59:19,155 --> 00:59:22,388
5049intended to help
5050remove Saddam Hussein?
5051
50521085
505300:59:22,390 --> 00:59:23,490
5054'Cause by attacking Iraq,
5055
50561086
505700:59:23,492 --> 00:59:26,160
5058you don't simply attack
5059Saddam Hussein,
5060
50611087
506200:59:26,162 --> 00:59:29,395
5063you attack the country
5064of over 30 million people!
5065
50661088
506700:59:29,397 --> 00:59:31,964
5068And I cannot bear to think
5069of the pain and the suffering
5070
50711089
507200:59:31,966 --> 00:59:33,167
5073that that will cause.
5074
50751090
507600:59:33,169 --> 00:59:36,470
5077Frankly, I don't see
5078how anyone can bear it.
5079
50801091
508100:59:36,472 --> 00:59:39,238
5082SOLICITOR: Detective,
5083is she going to be formally charged?
5084
50851092
508600:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,241
5087That's a decision
5088for the Attorney General.
5089
50901093
509100:59:41,243 --> 00:59:45,979
5092Lord Goldsmith will need time
5093to decide how to deal with you.
5094
50951094
509600:59:45,981 --> 00:59:47,781
5097The custody sergeant
5098will release you
5099
51001095
510100:59:47,783 --> 00:59:49,249
5102on police bail today.
5103
51041096
510500:59:49,251 --> 00:59:51,151
5106You'll be told
5107to return to the station
5108
51091097
511000:59:51,153 --> 00:59:53,153
5111in approximately
5112three months,
5113
51141098
511500:59:53,155 --> 00:59:55,555
5116by which time a decision
5117on whether to charge you
5118
51191099
512000:59:55,557 --> 00:59:57,126
5121will have been made.
5122
51231100
512401:00:04,466 --> 01:00:05,568
5125(DOOR BUZZING)
5126
51271101
512801:00:07,970 --> 01:00:09,504
5129Are you all right,
5130janum?
5131
51321102
513301:00:10,673 --> 01:00:12,738
5134- Are you all right?
5135- Yeah, come on.
5136
51371103
513801:00:12,740 --> 01:00:14,540
5139Katharine?
5140
51411104
514201:00:14,542 --> 01:00:17,676
5143I'm sorry. I deal mostly
5144with petty criminals,
5145
51461105
514701:00:17,678 --> 01:00:19,946
5148drunks and drug addicts.
5149
51501106
515101:00:19,948 --> 01:00:22,049
5152If you're charged,
5153you're gonna need someone
5154
51551107
515601:00:22,051 --> 01:00:24,250
5157with a lot more
5158experience than me.
5159
51601108
516101:00:24,252 --> 01:00:27,220
5162- I see.
5163- Have you heard of Liberty?
5164
51651109
516601:00:27,222 --> 01:00:29,055
5167They handle
5168human rights cases,
5169
51701110
517101:00:29,057 --> 01:00:32,459
5172political cases,
5173often for free.
5174
51751111
517601:00:32,461 --> 01:00:36,531
5177Well... I just wanted
5178to be sure you knew that.
5179
51801112
518101:00:37,231 --> 01:00:38,698
5182- Good luck.
5183- Thank you.
5184
51851113
518601:00:38,700 --> 01:00:39,935
5187Thank you.
5188
51891114
519001:00:42,370 --> 01:00:44,071
5191REPORTER: (ON TV)
5192George W. Bush's patience
5193
51941115
519501:00:44,073 --> 01:00:45,671
5196with the United Nation
5197has run out
5198
51991116
520001:00:45,673 --> 01:00:48,542
5201because they haven't managed
5202to get those nine votes
5203
52041117
520501:00:48,544 --> 01:00:51,078
5206at the Security Council
5207which would give them,
5208
52091118
521001:00:51,080 --> 01:00:52,812
5211what they call,
5212a moral majority.
5213
52141119
521501:00:52,814 --> 01:00:56,716
5216That represents a real failure
5217of American diplomacy.
5218
52191120
522001:00:56,718 --> 01:00:59,017
5221REPORTER 2: This is the man
5222who's advising Tony Blair
5223
52241121
522501:00:59,019 --> 01:01:01,020
5226on the legality of war.
5227
52281122
522901:01:01,022 --> 01:01:02,488
5230The Attorney General
5231Lord Goldsmith
5232
52331123
523401:01:02,490 --> 01:01:05,191
5235has, I understand,
5236told the Prime Minister
5237
52381124
523901:01:05,193 --> 01:01:08,461
5240military action would be legal
5241without a second resolution.
5242
52431125
524401:01:08,463 --> 01:01:10,196
5245But it's all down
5246to interpretation.
5247
52481126
524901:01:10,198 --> 01:01:11,964
5250What is she saying?
5251They have not got the votes
5252
52531127
525401:01:11,966 --> 01:01:13,834
5255but they're going to war,
5256anyway?
5257
52581128
525901:01:13,836 --> 01:01:16,837
5260REPORTER 2: ...arguing old
5261UN resolutions don't count
5262
52631129
526401:01:16,839 --> 01:01:19,872
5265and war is illegal
5266without a new one
5267
52681130
526901:01:19,874 --> 01:01:21,207
5270or a new threat.
5271
52721131
527301:01:21,209 --> 01:01:22,475
5274So the troops are in place.
5275
52761132
527701:01:22,477 --> 01:01:24,678
5278Some UN inspectors
5279are quitting Iraq.
5280
52811133
528201:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,345
5283Just how close are we to war?
5284
52851134
528601:01:26,347 --> 01:01:29,015
5287Fergus has been assessing
5288the evidence. Fergus?
5289
52901135
529101:01:29,017 --> 01:01:30,584
5292FERGUS: All the signs are now
5293
52941136
529501:01:30,586 --> 01:01:33,122
5296that war is very,
5297very close now...
5298
52991137
530001:01:34,722 --> 01:01:35,724
5301Hi.
5302
53031138
530401:01:37,158 --> 01:01:38,558
5305- Do you wanna come in?
5306- Oh, no, no, no.
5307
53081139
530901:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,660
5310I'm all packed for London.
5311
53121140
531301:01:40,662 --> 01:01:42,794
5314I just, um...
5315
53161141
531701:01:42,796 --> 01:01:45,667
5318I just wanted to say,
5319I think that what you did was amazing.
5320
53211142
532201:01:47,269 --> 01:01:51,006
5323- You do?
5324- Yeah. A lot of us do.
5325
53261143
532701:01:52,006 --> 01:01:53,209
5328Really?
5329
53301144
533101:01:54,676 --> 01:01:56,544
5332Are they going
5333to charge you?
5334
53351145
533601:01:57,946 --> 01:01:59,148
5337I don't know.
5338
53391146
534001:02:01,417 --> 01:02:04,283
5341(CRYING) God, Kat,
5342I'm so sorry.
5343
53441147
534501:02:04,285 --> 01:02:06,019
5346Hey, you didn't do
5347anything wrong.
5348
53491148
535001:02:06,021 --> 01:02:09,191
5351I didn't do
5352anything right. I...
5353
53541149
535501:02:16,298 --> 01:02:18,064
5356(MI-YUNG CHUCKLES, SNIFFLES)
5357
53581150
535901:02:18,066 --> 01:02:20,770
5360I better be going. Bye.
5361
53621151
536301:02:25,941 --> 01:02:27,475
5364(DOOR BELL JINGLES)
5365
53661152
536701:02:33,915 --> 01:02:36,915
5368(AIRCRAFT WHOOSHING)
5369
53701153
537101:02:36,917 --> 01:02:39,088
5372(EXPLOSIONS)
5373
53741154
537501:02:42,124 --> 01:02:44,156
5376PRESIDENT BUSH:
5377My fellow citizens,
5378
53791155
538001:02:44,158 --> 01:02:47,294
5381at this hour,
5382American and coalition forces
5383
53841156
538501:02:47,296 --> 01:02:50,029
5386are in the early stages
5387of military operations
5388
53891157
539001:02:50,031 --> 01:02:53,165
5391to disarm Iraq,
5392to free its people
5393
53941158
539501:02:53,167 --> 01:02:56,069
5396and to defend the world
5397from grave danger.
5398
53991159
540001:02:56,071 --> 01:02:59,973
5401Our nation enters
5402this conflict reluctantly,
5403
54041160
540501:02:59,975 --> 01:03:02,709
5406yet our purpose is sure.
5407
54081161
540901:03:02,711 --> 01:03:05,245
5410The people of the United States
5411and our friends and allies
5412
54131162
541401:03:05,247 --> 01:03:08,682
5415will not live at the mercy
5416of an outlaw regime
5417
54181163
541901:03:08,684 --> 01:03:12,185
5420that threatens the peace
5421with weapons of mass murder.
5422
54231164
542401:03:12,187 --> 01:03:13,722
5425(EXPLOSIONS)
5426
54271165
542801:03:17,292 --> 01:03:18,591
5429We will meet that threat now.
5430
54311166
543201:03:18,593 --> 01:03:21,528
5433We should have got
5434that memo out sooner.
5435
54361167
543701:03:21,530 --> 01:03:24,796
5438- We did what we could.
5439- We fucking failed.
5440
54411168
544201:03:24,798 --> 01:03:26,767
5443PRESIDENT BUSH: So that we
5444do not have to meet it later
5445
54461169
544701:03:26,769 --> 01:03:30,904
5448with armies of firefighters
5449and police and doctors
5450
54511170
545201:03:30,906 --> 01:03:33,439
5453on the streets of our cities.
5454
54551171
545601:03:33,441 --> 01:03:35,375
5457Now that conflict has come,
5458
54591172
546001:03:35,377 --> 01:03:37,243
5461the only way
5462to limit its duration
5463
54641173
546501:03:37,245 --> 01:03:39,712
5466is to apply decisive force.
5467
54681174
546901:03:39,714 --> 01:03:41,515
5470I'm so fucking naive.
5471
54721175
547301:03:41,517 --> 01:03:44,683
5474This will not be a campaign
5475of half measures
5476
54771176
547801:03:44,685 --> 01:03:48,020
5479and we will accept
5480no outcome but victory.
5481
54821177
548301:03:48,022 --> 01:03:49,791
5484(PEOPLE CLAMORING)
5485
54861178
548701:04:05,274 --> 01:04:06,775
5488I have to go.
5489
54901179
549101:04:10,245 --> 01:04:12,546
5492You want to come
5493to the cafe?
5494
54951180
549601:04:12,548 --> 01:04:13,781
5497Work with me?
5498
54991181
550001:04:20,189 --> 01:04:21,557
5501I'll call you later.
5502
55031182
550401:04:24,993 --> 01:04:26,629
5505If we use the phones,
5506
55071183
550801:04:27,763 --> 01:04:29,431
5509they'll be listening.
5510
55111184
551201:04:30,731 --> 01:04:33,066
5513Let them listen.
5514
55151185
551601:04:33,068 --> 01:04:34,803
5517We have nothing to hide.
5518
55191186
552001:04:38,106 --> 01:04:40,242
5521You should contact
5522those lawyers...
5523
55241187
552501:04:42,243 --> 01:04:43,444
5526...today.
5527
55281188
552901:04:44,646 --> 01:04:45,647
5530Please.
5531
55321189
553301:05:09,104 --> 01:05:11,404
5534(DOORBELL BUZZES)
5535
55361190
553701:05:11,406 --> 01:05:13,640
5538- MAN: Hello?
5539- Hi. Uh, it's Katharine.
5540
55411191
554201:05:13,642 --> 01:05:15,207
5543Uh, Katharine Gun.
5544I phoned this morning.
5545
55461192
554701:05:15,209 --> 01:05:18,479
5548Oh, yes, Katharine.
5549Please, um, come on up.
5550
55511193
555201:05:19,314 --> 01:05:20,582
5553(DOOR BUZZES)
5554
55551194
555601:05:25,285 --> 01:05:27,285
5557- Katharine?
5558- Hello.
5559
55601195
556101:05:27,287 --> 01:05:29,455
5562James.
5563Lovely to meet you.
5564
55651196
556601:05:29,457 --> 01:05:31,223
5567- Thanks for seeing me.
5568- Not at all.
5569
55701197
557101:05:31,225 --> 01:05:32,658
5572I'm sorry
5573about the decor.
5574
55751198
557601:05:32,660 --> 01:05:35,562
5577We like to say we focus
5578more on our clients.
5579
55801199
558101:05:35,564 --> 01:05:37,729
5582This is Shami Chakrabarti,
5583our director.
5584
55851200
558601:05:37,731 --> 01:05:41,734
5587- Hello, Katharine.
5588- And this is Ben Emmerson.
5589
55901201
559101:05:41,736 --> 01:05:42,801
5592Hi.
5593
55941202
559501:05:42,803 --> 01:05:44,069
5596Hello.
5597
55981203
559901:05:44,071 --> 01:05:46,406
5600This was the only memo you took?
5601
56021204
560301:05:46,408 --> 01:05:48,875
5604- Yes.
5605- No one suggested you take it?
5606
56071205
560801:05:48,877 --> 01:05:51,877
5609- No.
5610- And you've never met Martin Bright?
5611
56121206
561301:05:51,879 --> 01:05:52,946
5614No.
5615
56161207
561701:05:52,948 --> 01:05:53,812
5618Martin called me
5619last week.
5620
56211208
562201:05:53,814 --> 01:05:55,515
5623He said he didn't know
5624who you were,
5625
56261209
562701:05:55,517 --> 01:05:58,919
5628but he wanted us to be aware
5629that you might need our help.
5630
56311210
563201:05:58,921 --> 01:06:00,854
5633Well, that was
5634very kind of him.
5635
56361211
563701:06:00,856 --> 01:06:03,256
5638He said he got the memo
5639from someone he knew
5640
56411212
564201:06:03,258 --> 01:06:05,223
5643but he wouldn't say who.
5644
56451213
564601:06:05,225 --> 01:06:08,263
5647Do you want to tell us
5648who you gave it to?
5649
56501214
565101:06:11,098 --> 01:06:13,200
5652Look,
5653
56541215
565501:06:13,202 --> 01:06:17,037
5656if you don't mind,
5657I would prefer not to say.
5658
56591216
566001:06:17,039 --> 01:06:18,640
5661I promised I wouldn't.
5662
56631217
566401:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,375
5665Okay.
5666
56671218
566801:06:21,377 --> 01:06:24,310
5669When you met Yasar, he had
5670already applied for asylum.
5671
56721219
567301:06:24,312 --> 01:06:26,645
5674- Yes.
5675- Which was denied.
5676
56771220
567801:06:26,647 --> 01:06:30,415
5679Yes, uh, they said that there
5680wasn't a significant enough risk
5681
56821221
568301:06:30,417 --> 01:06:32,386
5684of persecution
5685if he went back.
5686
56871222
568801:06:32,388 --> 01:06:34,087
5689And that's when
5690you married him?
5691
56921223
569301:06:34,089 --> 01:06:36,189
5694- Yes.
5695- And did he pay you?
5696
56971224
569801:06:36,191 --> 01:06:37,390
5699Absolutely not.
5700
57011225
570201:06:37,392 --> 01:06:38,524
5703I'm sorry,
5704I don't mean to upset you.
5705
57061226
570701:06:38,526 --> 01:06:40,359
5708It's just that
5709your husband is Muslim
5710
57111227
571201:06:40,361 --> 01:06:42,328
5713and the prosecution
5714will be looking for motive.
5715
57161228
571701:06:42,330 --> 01:06:45,531
5718My motive was to stop a war
5719
57201229
572101:06:45,533 --> 01:06:49,968
5722and save lives. I failed.
5723
57241230
572501:06:49,970 --> 01:06:52,939
5726All I've managed to do is put
5727my husband's future at risk.
5728
57291231
573001:06:52,941 --> 01:06:54,707
5731BEN: And your own.
5732
57331232
573401:06:54,709 --> 01:06:56,375
5735In fact,
5736by leaking information
5737
57381233
573901:06:56,377 --> 01:06:58,145
5740to try and stop a war,
5741I'd argue
5742
57431234
574401:06:58,147 --> 01:07:00,312
5745that you chose loyalty
5746to your country
5747
57481235
574901:07:00,314 --> 01:07:04,618
5750over loyalty to your government,
5751your marriage and yourself.
5752
57531236
575401:07:04,620 --> 01:07:07,489
5755You had nothing to gain
5756and everything to lose.
5757
57581237
575901:07:08,890 --> 01:07:11,460
5760I think that speaks
5761rather highly of you.
5762
57631238
576401:07:12,426 --> 01:07:15,595
5765SHAMI: He's trying
5766to give you a compliment.
5767
57681239
576901:07:15,597 --> 01:07:16,562
5770I see.
5771
57721240
577301:07:16,564 --> 01:07:18,631
5774JAMES: Part of our job
5775is to try and anticipate
5776
57771241
577801:07:18,633 --> 01:07:21,834
5779what the prosecution's
5780going to throw at you.
5781
57821242
578301:07:21,836 --> 01:07:24,638
5784Some of the people we meet
5785are looking for attention,
5786
57871243
578801:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,939
5789a way to elevate
5790their humdrum lives.
5791
57921244
579301:07:26,941 --> 01:07:29,777
5794- Well, I'm not.
5795- No, I don't think you are.
5796
57971245
579801:07:33,682 --> 01:07:34,647
5799Sorry.
5800
58011246
580201:07:34,649 --> 01:07:36,917
5803There's nothing
5804to be sorry for.
5805
58061247
580701:07:36,919 --> 01:07:38,785
5808We're here to help.
5809
58101248
581101:07:38,787 --> 01:07:39,821
5812(CHUCKLES LIGHTLY)
5813
58141249
581501:07:41,589 --> 01:07:43,189
5816And we don't have duress.
5817
58181250
581901:07:43,191 --> 01:07:47,026
5820She's adamant no outside
5821agency put any pressure on her.
5822
58231251
582401:07:47,028 --> 01:07:48,761
5825Public interest?
5826
58271252
582801:07:48,763 --> 01:07:51,263
5829The public has a right to know
5830when their government is lying.
5831
58321253
583301:07:51,265 --> 01:07:53,232
5834We cite
5835the Falklands case
5836
58371254
583801:07:53,234 --> 01:07:54,901
5839when Thatcher lied
5840about why she ordered
5841
58421255
584301:07:54,903 --> 01:07:56,569
5844the sinking
5845of that Argentinian ship.
5846
58471256
584801:07:56,571 --> 01:07:57,870
5849- Belgrano.
5850- Yeah.
5851
58521257
585301:07:57,872 --> 01:08:00,372
5854- Who was the whistleblower?
5855- Clive Ponting.
5856
58571258
585801:08:00,374 --> 01:08:01,674
5859The jury acquitted him,
5860didn't they?
5861
58621259
586301:08:01,676 --> 01:08:02,942
5864Yes, and immediately
5865afterwards,
5866
58671260
586801:08:02,944 --> 01:08:04,910
5869Thatcher had the Official
5870Secrets Act amended
5871
58721261
587301:08:04,912 --> 01:08:06,745
5874to avoid being caught
5875in a lie in the future.
5876
58771262
587801:08:06,747 --> 01:08:09,015
5879So since '89,
5880the public interest is
5881
58821263
588301:08:09,017 --> 01:08:11,919
5884effectively whatever the
5885government says that it is.
5886
58871264
588801:08:12,953 --> 01:08:14,620
5889We've got nothing.
5890
58911265
589201:08:14,622 --> 01:08:16,523
5893I have to
5894think about it.
5895
58961266
589701:08:16,525 --> 01:08:18,825
5898Sorry, I have to go.
5899
59001267
590101:08:18,827 --> 01:08:21,029
5902I promised Anne
5903a weekend away.
5904
59051268
590601:08:22,564 --> 01:08:25,264
5907If they charge her,
5908we might have to plead guilty
5909
59101269
591101:08:25,266 --> 01:08:26,765
5912and ask for
5913a reduced sentence.
5914
59151270
591601:08:26,767 --> 01:08:29,035
5917But she's young
5918and principled.
5919
59201271
592101:08:29,037 --> 01:08:31,636
5922A judge might even think that
5923what she did was morally right.
5924
59251272
592601:08:31,638 --> 01:08:34,042
5927Or crucify her
5928as a traitor.
5929
59301273
593101:08:36,110 --> 01:08:37,111
5932Bye.
5933
59341274
593501:09:04,672 --> 01:09:07,674
5936- You sure he was following you?
5937- He was staring at me.
5938
59391275
594001:09:07,676 --> 01:09:08,741
5941Sometimes men stare...
5942
59431276
594401:09:08,743 --> 01:09:09,843
5945Yeah, it wasn't
5946that kind of a stare.
5947
59481277
594901:09:09,845 --> 01:09:11,309
5950What kind
5951of a stare was it?
5952
59531278
595401:09:11,311 --> 01:09:14,412
5955Yas, please,
5956I'm scared. Okay?
5957
59581279
595901:09:14,414 --> 01:09:15,751
5960I'm scared.
5961
59621280
596301:09:17,485 --> 01:09:19,786
5964You know, for years,
5965I've tried to be legal here.
5966
59671281
596801:09:19,788 --> 01:09:21,353
5969- I know.
5970- Then why'd you do it?
5971
59721282
597301:09:21,355 --> 01:09:23,590
5974These arseholes got
5975their war, anyway.
5976
59771283
597801:09:23,592 --> 01:09:25,425
5979Saddam's over.
5980And you know what?
5981
59821284
598301:09:25,427 --> 01:09:27,560
5984- I'm glad he's over!
5985- War is not over.
5986
59871285
598801:09:27,562 --> 01:09:29,094
5989Ousting Saddam
5990is just the beginning.
5991
59921286
599301:09:29,096 --> 01:09:31,764
5994- What do you know about war?
5995- I work at GCHQ.
5996
59971287
599801:09:31,766 --> 01:09:33,933
5999All you do is listen
6000to people talking!
6001
60021288
600301:09:33,935 --> 01:09:36,702
6004You've never seen war!
6005You've never smelled it!
6006
60071289
600801:09:36,704 --> 01:09:37,902
6009Never even
6010come close to it!
6011
60121290
601301:09:37,904 --> 01:09:40,240
6014Yas, I understand
6015why you are angry.
6016
60171291
601801:09:40,242 --> 01:09:42,474
6019It is my fault
6020and I'm sorry.
6021
60221292
602301:09:42,476 --> 01:09:44,376
6024I am so sorry.
6025
60261293
602701:09:44,378 --> 01:09:49,349
6028But I watched Blair
6029with his smug smile
6030
60311294
603201:09:49,351 --> 01:09:52,117
6033and his sterile speeches
6034that tell us nothing
6035
60361295
603701:09:52,119 --> 01:09:56,154
6038of what it must feel like to
6039be a child in Iraq right now.
6040
60411296
604201:09:56,156 --> 01:09:58,791
6043I know I'm not sorry
6044that I tried to stop him.
6045
60461297
604701:09:58,793 --> 01:09:59,928
6048I'm not.
6049
60501298
605101:10:00,861 --> 01:10:03,129
6052I'm only sorry
6053that I failed.
6054
60551299
605601:10:03,131 --> 01:10:04,732
6057(KNOCK ON DOOR)
6058
60591300
606001:10:10,939 --> 01:10:14,139
6061Thank you
6062for inviting us in.
6063
60641301
606501:10:14,141 --> 01:10:15,407
6066What is it
6067you came to say?
6068
60691302
607001:10:15,409 --> 01:10:19,178
6071Well, there's been
6072a development.
6073
60741303
607501:10:19,180 --> 01:10:21,848
6076- Am I going to be charged?
6077- That I don't know.
6078
60791304
608001:10:21,850 --> 01:10:23,685
6081Then why
6082are you here?
6083
60841305
608501:10:24,985 --> 01:10:27,419
6086I gather you went to see
6087a lawyer today.
6088
60891306
609001:10:27,421 --> 01:10:28,755
6091- Did you follow me?
6092- No.
6093
60941307
609501:10:28,757 --> 01:10:29,889
6096Because somebody did.
6097
60981308
609901:10:29,891 --> 01:10:31,657
6100Well, you must know
6101that after what you did,
6102
61031309
610401:10:31,659 --> 01:10:33,492
6105GCHQ is concerned.
6106
61071310
610801:10:33,494 --> 01:10:36,062
6109I have a right
6110to legal advice.
6111
61121311
611301:10:36,064 --> 01:10:39,965
6114TINTIN: Unfortunately,
6115it's not as simple as that.
6116
61171312
611801:10:39,967 --> 01:10:42,734
6119When you signed on
6120to work for GCHQ,
6121
61221313
612301:10:42,736 --> 01:10:45,737
6124you agreed to be bound
6125by the Official Secrets Act
6126
61271314
612801:10:45,739 --> 01:10:47,840
6129for the rest of your life.
6130
61311315
613201:10:47,842 --> 01:10:49,809
6133I know what I signed,
6134detective.
6135
61361316
613701:10:49,811 --> 01:10:54,546
6138Mm, then you know
6139that it says here
6140
61411317
614201:10:54,548 --> 01:10:56,948
6143in Section 1-1
6144
61451318
614601:10:56,950 --> 01:10:59,518
6147that "a person is
6148guilty of an offense
6149
61501319
615101:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,855
6152"if he or she
6153
61541320
615501:11:02,857 --> 01:11:04,956
6156"discloses any information
6157
61581321
615901:11:04,958 --> 01:11:08,760
6160"relating to security
6161or intelligence."
6162
61631322
616401:11:08,762 --> 01:11:12,398
6165This means that you cannot
6166discuss anything
6167
61681323
616901:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,402
6170with anyone outside of GCHQ
6171
61721324
617301:11:15,404 --> 01:11:18,006
6174relating to
6175the document you leaked.
6176
61771325
617801:11:19,673 --> 01:11:21,941
6179Are you saying
6180I can't talk to a lawyer?
6181
61821326
618301:11:21,943 --> 01:11:23,977
6184Oh, you have the right
6185to talk to a lawyer.
6186
61871327
618801:11:23,979 --> 01:11:25,911
6189It's just that
6190you cannot discuss
6191
61921328
619301:11:25,913 --> 01:11:29,448
6194anything to do with
6195your work at GCHQ,
6196
61971329
619801:11:29,450 --> 01:11:31,416
6199or the contents
6200of the memo you leaked,
6201
62021330
620301:11:31,418 --> 01:11:33,620
6204or how it came
6205into your possession
6206
62071331
620801:11:33,622 --> 01:11:35,222
6209or who wrote it.
6210
62111332
621201:11:36,490 --> 01:11:39,625
6213All of this information
6214is top secret.
6215
62161333
621701:11:39,627 --> 01:11:42,728
6218So disclosing it
6219to anyone outside of GCHQ,
6220
62211334
622201:11:42,730 --> 01:11:44,863
6223even a lawyer,
6224
62251335
622601:11:44,865 --> 01:11:48,667
6227would be a further violation
6228of the Official Secrets Act,
6229
62301336
623101:11:48,669 --> 01:11:51,970
6232which could result
6233in further prosecution
6234
62351337
623601:11:51,972 --> 01:11:55,077
6237and a much longer
6238prison sentence.
6239
62401338
624101:11:57,846 --> 01:12:00,649
6242We just wanted
6243you to be aware of that.
6244
62451339
624601:12:02,484 --> 01:12:06,818
6247So if I may not talk to a
6248lawyer, who may I talk to?
6249
62501340
625101:12:06,820 --> 01:12:09,587
6252You should talk to
6253your superiors at GCHQ.
6254
62551341
625601:12:09,589 --> 01:12:13,158
6257- Are you fucking joking?
6258- Yas, please. Please.
6259
62601342
626101:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,894
6262We should hear what
6263the detectives have to say.
6264
62651343
626601:12:15,896 --> 01:12:17,966
6267They're just
6268doing their job.
6269
62701344
627101:12:20,836 --> 01:12:25,871
6272Simply put, if you wish
6273to tell anything to a lawyer
6274
62751345
627601:12:25,873 --> 01:12:28,744
6277or the press or anyone else...
6278
62791346
628001:12:29,709 --> 01:12:32,847
6281...you first need to
6282clear it with GCHQ.
6283
62841347
628501:12:36,484 --> 01:12:37,852
6286Detective...
6287
62881348
628901:12:38,887 --> 01:12:41,853
6290I leaked only one memo.
6291
62921349
629301:12:41,855 --> 01:12:43,188
6294I had good reason to do so
6295
62961350
629701:12:43,190 --> 01:12:46,492
6298and I intend to make
6299those reasons public
6300
63011351
630201:12:46,494 --> 01:12:48,863
6303if I am charged.
6304
63051352
630601:12:50,064 --> 01:12:52,197
6307I will not talk
6308to my lawyers again
6309
63101353
631101:12:52,199 --> 01:12:54,669
6312unless I am charged.
6313
63141354
631501:12:55,837 --> 01:12:58,106
6316Tell that to GCHQ.
6317
63181355
631901:13:03,845 --> 01:13:05,344
6320Are you grilling
6321or smoking that fish?
6322
63231356
632401:13:05,346 --> 01:13:08,447
6325I am smoking.
6326I've soaked the wood chips in water.
6327
63281357
632901:13:08,449 --> 01:13:09,549
6330I've got charcoal.
6331
63321358
633301:13:09,551 --> 01:13:12,518
6334I'm... I'm trying
6335something new.
6336
63371359
633801:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,188
6339- Hi.
6340- Ken?
6341
63421360
634301:13:15,190 --> 01:13:16,621
6344- Hi.
6345- Hi, Ken.
6346
63471361
634801:13:16,623 --> 01:13:19,591
6349- Guess you're down here for the weekend.
6350- Yes. Just for the night.
6351
63521362
635301:13:19,593 --> 01:13:21,126
6354Yeah, me too.
6355It's been a while.
6356
63571363
635801:13:21,128 --> 01:13:23,728
6359Mm-hmm. Would you, uh...
6360Do you want a drink?
6361
63621364
636301:13:23,730 --> 01:13:26,532
6364Uh, no, thanks.
6365Sally's cooking dinner.
6366
63671365
636801:13:26,534 --> 01:13:28,968
6369- Hello, Anne.
6370- Hi.
6371
63721366
637301:13:28,970 --> 01:13:32,237
6374- I'm so sorry to intrude.
6375- Oh, not at all.
6376
63771367
637801:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,005
6379How's the new job?
6380
63811368
638201:13:34,007 --> 01:13:37,910
6383Well, it's, um, eye-opening.
6384
63851369
638601:13:37,912 --> 01:13:41,647
6387In fact, I wondered
6388if I might ask Ben's opinion
6389
63901370
639101:13:41,649 --> 01:13:45,251
6392about a new case that my office
6393has been asked to prosecute.
6394
63951371
639601:13:45,253 --> 01:13:48,688
6397It won't take a minute.
6398Would you mind?
6399
64001372
640101:13:48,690 --> 01:13:50,689
6402How do you know
6403that I met her?
6404
64051373
640601:13:50,691 --> 01:13:53,459
6407Security services
6408are all over this.
6409
64101374
641101:13:53,461 --> 01:13:54,693
6412Mm-hmm.
6413
64141375
641501:13:54,695 --> 01:13:56,595
6416And it's not just
6417a domestic embarrassment.
6418
64191376
642001:13:56,597 --> 01:13:57,964
6421The Americans
6422are very unhappy.
6423
64241377
642501:13:57,966 --> 01:13:59,465
6426Oh, well,
6427that is upsetting.
6428
64291378
643001:13:59,467 --> 01:14:02,736
6431Oh, come on, Ben,
6432it's not funny.
6433
64341379
643501:14:02,738 --> 01:14:05,770
6436What she did was a
6437deliberate act of betrayal.
6438
64391380
644001:14:05,772 --> 01:14:08,072
6441Look, Ken, we're not
6442colleagues anymore.
6443
64441381
644501:14:08,074 --> 01:14:09,474
6446We're on
6447different sides here.
6448
64491382
645001:14:09,476 --> 01:14:14,080
6451I think she wants to be seen
6452as some sort of cause celebre.
6453
64541383
645501:14:14,082 --> 01:14:18,283
6456But she swore allegiance
6457to the intelligence services
6458
64591384
646001:14:18,285 --> 01:14:20,618
6461and when you do that you
6462don't get to pick and choose
6463
64641385
646501:14:20,620 --> 01:14:21,920
6466what orders
6467you'll follow.
6468
64691386
647001:14:21,922 --> 01:14:24,290
6471Following orders is not
6472a defense to a war crime.
6473
64741387
647501:14:24,292 --> 01:14:28,527
6476Yes, but who is she to undermine
6477the strategic objectives
6478
64791388
648001:14:28,529 --> 01:14:31,496
6481- of a democratically-elected Prime Minister.
6482- (CHUCKLES)
6483
64841389
648501:14:31,498 --> 01:14:34,700
6486Oh, come on, she's not selling
6487state secrets to Moscow.
6488
64891390
649001:14:34,702 --> 01:14:36,969
6491She exposed
6492an illegal attempt
6493
64941391
649501:14:36,971 --> 01:14:39,304
6496to secure
6497a UN resolution for war
6498
64991392
650001:14:39,306 --> 01:14:41,072
6501which would have
6502given Blair perfect cover
6503
65041393
650501:14:41,074 --> 01:14:42,640
6506for the bloody mess
6507that we're in now.
6508
65091394
651001:14:42,642 --> 01:14:44,810
6511No, she should have
6512kept her mouth shut
6513
65141395
651501:14:44,812 --> 01:14:47,045
6516or complained
6517to her superiors.
6518
65191396
652001:14:47,047 --> 01:14:48,613
6521Now I've got
6522a real problem with people
6523
65241397
652501:14:48,615 --> 01:14:50,715
6526who think that
6527from some lowly position
6528
65291398
653001:14:50,717 --> 01:14:52,385
6531they can possibly see
6532the big picture.
6533
65341399
653501:14:52,387 --> 01:14:54,185
6536So then you would
6537never question authority
6538
65391400
654001:14:54,187 --> 01:14:55,955
6541even if you knew
6542it was breaking the law.
6543
65441401
654501:14:55,957 --> 01:14:58,858
6546Ben, you can't blame me
6547for being angry with her.
6548
65491402
655001:14:58,860 --> 01:15:00,225
6551We're at war.
6552
65531403
655401:15:00,227 --> 01:15:02,428
6555So, I'm going to assign the
6556best prosecutor in my office
6557
65581404
655901:15:02,430 --> 01:15:04,897
6560to bring this girl down,
6561which shouldn't be difficult.
6562
65631405
656401:15:04,899 --> 01:15:05,965
6565She's already confessed.
6566
65671406
656801:15:05,967 --> 01:15:07,899
6569I appreciate
6570your determination
6571
65721407
657301:15:07,901 --> 01:15:11,306
6574to make an example of her,
6575but you shouldn't be here.
6576
65771408
657801:15:13,807 --> 01:15:15,273
6579Oh, come on,
6580we're friends.
6581
65821409
658301:15:15,275 --> 01:15:17,410
6584I'll make my position
6585perfectly clear.
6586
65871410
658801:15:17,412 --> 01:15:19,845
6589If you charge her,
6590then I will defend her
6591
65921411
659301:15:19,847 --> 01:15:22,050
6594to the best of my ability.
6595
65961412
659701:15:24,051 --> 01:15:25,283
6598So let's go home
6599and pretend
6600
66011413
660201:15:25,285 --> 01:15:27,823
6603that this conversation
6604never happened.
6605
66061414
660701:16:00,922 --> 01:16:03,221
6608You're not working today?
6609
66101415
661101:16:03,223 --> 01:16:06,494
6612No. I have to sign in
6613at the station.
6614
66151416
661601:16:08,962 --> 01:16:12,533
6617- Then we can go for a hike.
6618- I want to see the sea.
6619
66201417
662101:16:22,944 --> 01:16:25,013
6622(TELEPHONE RINGING)
6623
66241418
662501:16:25,846 --> 01:16:27,114
6626Leave it.
6627
66281419
662901:16:28,382 --> 01:16:29,584
6630(KATHARINE CHUCKLES)
6631
66321420
663301:16:33,421 --> 01:16:36,188
6634KATHARINE ON RECORDING: Hi, we're not in.
6635Please leave a message.
6636
66371421
663801:16:36,190 --> 01:16:39,825
6639Katharine,
6640it's James Welch from Liberty.
6641
66421422
664301:16:39,827 --> 01:16:41,594
6644Uh, we should talk.
6645
66461423
664701:16:41,596 --> 01:16:44,729
6648Could give me a call
6649when you get the message?
6650
66511424
665201:16:44,731 --> 01:16:46,432
6653Hello?
6654
66551425
665601:16:46,434 --> 01:16:48,302
6657Oh, ah, Katharine.
6658
66591426
666001:16:49,169 --> 01:16:52,136
6661I'm afraid I have
6662some bad news.
6663
66641427
666501:16:52,138 --> 01:16:54,340
6666Uh, James, you know that
6667
66681428
666901:16:54,342 --> 01:16:56,340
6670GCHQ said I
6671couldn't talk to you.
6672
66731429
667401:16:56,342 --> 01:16:57,910
6675Oh, then,
6676well, the good news is
6677
66781430
667901:16:57,912 --> 01:17:00,179
6680we finally had
6681the gag order lifted.
6682
66831431
668401:17:00,181 --> 01:17:01,580
6685We've agreed to not
6686ask any questions
6687
66881432
668901:17:01,582 --> 01:17:04,515
6690about what other work
6691you did at GCHQ.
6692
66931433
669401:17:04,517 --> 01:17:08,088
6695But what happens going forward
6696isn't up to them.
6697
66981434
669901:17:09,257 --> 01:17:10,456
6700Your case is now in the hands
6701
67021435
670301:17:10,458 --> 01:17:13,094
6704of the Crown Prosecution
6705Service.
6706
67071436
670801:17:15,762 --> 01:17:17,631
6709They're going to charge you.
6710
67111437
671201:17:20,935 --> 01:17:23,004
6713We should meet next week.
6714
67151438
671601:17:26,007 --> 01:17:28,043
6717- Katharine?
6718- Yes. Uh...
6719
67201439
672101:17:29,443 --> 01:17:31,178
6722Okay. Yeah.
6723
67241440
672501:17:32,279 --> 01:17:34,712
6726I know that this is
6727a lot to take in,
6728
67291441
673001:17:34,714 --> 01:17:35,947
6731but we will help you.
6732
67331442
673401:17:35,949 --> 01:17:37,385
6735Thank you.
6736
67371443
673801:17:39,352 --> 01:17:41,019
6739- Okay.
6740- Thank you very much, James.
6741
67421444
674301:17:41,021 --> 01:17:42,222
6744Speak soon.
6745
67461445
674701:17:47,328 --> 01:17:50,395
6748EDIE:
6749"GCHQ whistleblower charged."
6750
67511446
675201:17:50,397 --> 01:17:51,764
6753"Traitor or spy?"
6754
67551447
675601:17:51,766 --> 01:17:53,166
6757"Spy speaks out."
6758
67591448
676001:17:53,168 --> 01:17:55,033
6761"The spy who wouldn't
6762keep a secret."
6763
67641449
676501:17:55,035 --> 01:17:57,569
6766"Who is Katharine Gun?"
6767
67681450
676901:17:57,571 --> 01:17:59,373
6770"Leak against this war."
6771
67721451
677301:18:00,173 --> 01:18:02,140
6774She's everywhere.
6775
67761452
677701:18:02,142 --> 01:18:04,309
6778What's your angle?
6779
67801453
678101:18:04,311 --> 01:18:05,379
6782Look.
6783
67841454
678501:18:06,815 --> 01:18:08,546
6786"Katharine Gun faces jail
6787for exposing
6788
67891455
679001:18:08,548 --> 01:18:10,750
6791"American corruption
6792in the run-up to war.
6793
67941456
679501:18:10,752 --> 01:18:13,051
6796"Now her
6797celebrity supporters insist
6798
67991457
680001:18:13,053 --> 01:18:15,420
6801"it is Bush and Blair
6802who should be in the dock."
6803
68041458
680501:18:15,422 --> 01:18:17,423
6806- Celebrity supporters?
6807- Mm.
6808
68091459
681001:18:17,425 --> 01:18:19,390
6811Little tabloidy,
6812don't you think?
6813
68141460
681501:18:19,392 --> 01:18:22,260
6816Hey, we're building awareness.
6817How about Daniel Ellsberg?
6818
68191461
682001:18:22,262 --> 01:18:24,130
6821He leaked
6822the Pentagon Papers.
6823
68241462
682501:18:24,132 --> 01:18:25,764
6826I know who Ellsberg is,
6827Martin.
6828
68291463
683001:18:25,766 --> 01:18:27,332
6831Of course you do.
6832Forgive me.
6833
68341464
683501:18:27,334 --> 01:18:30,702
6836Well, Ellsberg
6837described it as...
6838
68391465
684001:18:30,704 --> 01:18:33,304
6841"The most important and
6842courageous leak I've ever seen.
6843
68441466
684501:18:33,306 --> 01:18:34,941
6846"No one else has ever done
6847what she did.
6848
68491467
685001:18:34,943 --> 01:18:37,210
6851"Tell secret truths
6852at personal risks
6853
68541468
685501:18:37,212 --> 01:18:41,112
6856"before an imminent war, in
6857time, possibly, to avert it."
6858
68591469
686001:18:41,114 --> 01:18:44,218
6861Okay, that's classy.
6862
68631470
686401:18:50,725 --> 01:18:52,060
6865YASAR: I'll be quick.
6866
68671471
686801:19:13,748 --> 01:19:15,083
6869(KNOCK ON WINDOW)
6870
68711472
687201:19:17,819 --> 01:19:19,350
6873Are you waiting
6874for the tall man?
6875
68761473
687701:19:19,352 --> 01:19:21,254
6878- The dark-haired one?
6879- Yeah.
6880
68811474
688201:19:21,256 --> 01:19:23,654
6883He was shouting
6884that his wife was outside.
6885
68861475
688701:19:23,656 --> 01:19:25,157
6888- They took him.
6889- What?
6890
68911476
689201:19:25,159 --> 01:19:26,360
6893They took him.
6894
68951477
689601:19:37,538 --> 01:19:38,403
6897Where is he?
6898
68991478
690001:19:38,405 --> 01:19:40,138
6901OFFICER:
6902Sorry. Who are you?
6903
69041479
690501:19:40,140 --> 01:19:42,073
6906I'm Yasar Gun's wife.
6907Where's my husband?
6908
69091480
691001:19:42,075 --> 01:19:45,712
6911I'm sorry, ma'am.
6912He's scheduled for deportation.
6913
69141481
691501:19:46,381 --> 01:19:47,245
6916What?
6917
69181482
691901:19:47,247 --> 01:19:49,046
6920No. No, no. Uh, no, no.
6921
69221483
692301:19:49,048 --> 01:19:51,317
6924Look, look, there's been
6925some sort of mistake.
6926
69271484
692801:19:51,319 --> 01:19:53,285
6929I need to see my husband
6930right now.
6931
69321485
693301:19:53,287 --> 01:19:55,289
6934I'm afraid
6935that's not possible.
6936
69371486
693801:19:56,190 --> 01:19:57,923
6939OFFICER:
6940You can't go in there!
6941
69421487
694301:19:57,925 --> 01:19:59,858
6944Please. Please,
6945please, please, please.
6946
69471488
694801:19:59,860 --> 01:20:01,225
6949Let me see him, please.
6950
69511489
695201:20:01,227 --> 01:20:02,428
6953Please, he doesn't
6954have anything with him.
6955
69561490
695701:20:02,430 --> 01:20:03,728
6958He doesn't even
6959have any money.
6960
69611491
696201:20:03,730 --> 01:20:06,697
6963OFFICER: I'm sorry.
6964They've already taken him.
6965
69661492
696701:20:06,699 --> 01:20:08,767
6968KATHARINE: No, no.
6969They won't say where.
6970
69711493
697201:20:08,769 --> 01:20:10,868
6973I don't know. Oh, God, James,
6974I don't know what to do.
6975
69761494
697701:20:10,870 --> 01:20:13,471
6978JAMES: Katharine, I'm so sorry.
6979I'm at the Hague.
6980
69811495
698201:20:13,473 --> 01:20:15,273
6983- Who's your MP?
6984- I don't know.
6985
69861496
698701:20:15,275 --> 01:20:17,175
6988- Is it Nigel Jones?
6989- Nigel Jones, yes. Yeah.
6990
69911497
699201:20:17,177 --> 01:20:18,411
6993Do you have
6994your marriage certificate?
6995
69961498
699701:20:18,413 --> 01:20:19,944
6998- Uh, yeah, yeah, somewhere.
6999- Right.
7000
70011499
700201:20:19,946 --> 01:20:22,480
7003Find it and
7004I'll track Nigel down.
7005
70061500
700701:20:22,482 --> 01:20:23,749
7008Of course they're legally
7009married, Beverly.
7010
70111501
701201:20:23,751 --> 01:20:25,617
7013I'm holding their
7014marriage certificate.
7015
70161502
701701:20:25,619 --> 01:20:26,852
7018BEVERLY: I'm sorry,
7019but his application
7020
70211503
702201:20:26,854 --> 01:20:28,853
7023to remain in this country
7024has been denied.
7025
70261504
702701:20:28,855 --> 01:20:29,955
7028Mistakenly.
7029
70301505
703101:20:29,957 --> 01:20:31,456
7032He's complied
7033with every directive
7034
70351506
703601:20:31,458 --> 01:20:32,558
7037your department's issued.
7038
70391507
704001:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,492
7041Nigel, your constituent
7042is accused
7043
70441508
704501:20:34,494 --> 01:20:35,926
7046of betraying her country.
7047
70481509
704901:20:35,928 --> 01:20:37,996
7050Do you really think we should
7051be helping her husband?
7052
70531510
705401:20:37,998 --> 01:20:40,800
7055I think deporting her husband
7056when she's facing a trial
7057
70581511
705901:20:40,802 --> 01:20:43,304
7060looks like state bullying.
7061
70621512
706301:20:46,373 --> 01:20:49,073
7064All right,
7065I'll review his paperwork.
7066
70671513
706801:20:49,075 --> 01:20:50,710
7069NIGEL: Thank you.
7070
70711514
707201:20:50,712 --> 01:20:53,548
7073- And please make sure he's not flown out tonight.
7074- (CALL DISCONNECTS)
7075
70761515
707701:20:55,482 --> 01:20:57,950
7078I'm sorry.
7079Best I can do for now.
7080
70811516
708201:20:57,952 --> 01:21:01,118
7083I promise I will pick this up
7084first thing tomorrow.
7085
70861517
708701:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,755
7088- (TELEPHONE RINGING)
7089- Hello?
7090
70911518
709201:21:02,757 --> 01:21:05,323
7093JAMES: We tracked him to
7094Harmondsworth Detention Center.
7095
70961519
709701:21:05,325 --> 01:21:07,760
7098It's a deportation center
7099at Heathrow Airport
7100
71011520
710201:21:07,762 --> 01:21:09,560
7103right off the M-25.
7104
71051521
710601:21:09,562 --> 01:21:11,496
7107Go to the main gate
7108and wait there.
7109
71101522
711101:21:11,498 --> 01:21:12,898
7112KATHARINE: Uh, are they
7113gonna release him?
7114
71151523
711601:21:12,900 --> 01:21:15,401
7117JAMES: We have ministerial
7118approval but no paperwork yet.
7119
71201524
712101:21:15,403 --> 01:21:17,035
7122There is a possibility
7123
71241525
712501:21:17,037 --> 01:21:19,237
7126he's already
7127been put on a plane.
7128
71291526
713001:21:19,239 --> 01:21:20,605
7131- What?
7132- Yeah, I'm checking.
7133
71341527
713501:21:20,607 --> 01:21:22,273
7136Just get there
7137as soon as you can.
7138
71391528
714001:21:22,275 --> 01:21:25,445
7141GUARD: Out you go.
7142Let's go. Move it.
7143
71441529
714501:21:28,281 --> 01:21:30,482
7146This is a mistake, sir.
7147
71481530
714901:21:30,484 --> 01:21:32,520
7150- This is a mistake.
7151- Come on.
7152
71531531
715401:21:33,887 --> 01:21:35,888
7155Please.
7156
71571532
715801:21:35,890 --> 01:21:38,760
7159I need to call my wife.
7160I must call my wife!
7161
71621533
716301:21:39,627 --> 01:21:41,562
7164(TIRES SKIDDING)
7165
71661534
716701:21:55,743 --> 01:21:57,312
7168(HONKING)
7169
71701535
717101:22:03,016 --> 01:22:05,017
7172(HORN BLARES)
7173
71741536
717501:22:05,019 --> 01:22:06,221
7176GUARD: Next in line.
7177
71781537
717901:22:18,399 --> 01:22:20,334
7180(AIRPLANE DRONING)
7181
71821538
718301:22:29,743 --> 01:22:30,745
7184KATHARINE: Hello?
7185
71861539
718701:22:34,114 --> 01:22:35,450
7188(KNOCKS)
7189
71901540
719101:22:35,917 --> 01:22:36,985
7192Hello?
7193
71941541
719501:22:39,921 --> 01:22:41,756
7196(PHONE RINGING)
7197
71981542
719901:22:45,059 --> 01:22:46,261
7200Yeah?
7201
72021543
720301:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,760
7204KATHARINE: James, James, um,
7205
72061544
720701:22:48,762 --> 01:22:51,196
7208I don't know if I'm
7209even at the right place.
7210
72111545
721201:22:51,198 --> 01:22:53,232
7213Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know,
7214but it's 4:00 a.m.
7215
72161546
721701:22:53,234 --> 01:22:55,700
7218There's nobody to talk to.
7219
72201547
722101:22:55,702 --> 01:22:58,439
7222Wait, wait.
7223Someone's coming. Wait.
7224
72251548
722601:23:00,074 --> 01:23:01,576
7227Oh, my God.
7228Oh, my God.
7229
72301549
723101:23:03,610 --> 01:23:05,477
7232I'm so sorry.
7233I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
7234
72351550
723601:23:05,479 --> 01:23:06,644
7237- It's all right.
7238- You okay?
7239
72401551
724101:23:06,646 --> 01:23:07,712
7242- I'm okay.
7243- Are you okay?
7244
72451552
724601:23:07,714 --> 01:23:09,449
7247- You're okay?
7248- Yeah, yeah.
7249
72501553
725101:23:16,757 --> 01:23:18,223
7252If they try and pull
7253anything like that again,
7254
72551554
725601:23:18,225 --> 01:23:19,323
7257then I want
7258to go public.
7259
72601555
726101:23:19,325 --> 01:23:20,858
7262- Not a good idea.
7263- Why not?
7264
72651556
726601:23:20,860 --> 01:23:23,260
7267Because people are fickle.
7268Many will hate you.
7269
72701557
727101:23:23,262 --> 01:23:25,096
7272Your personal lives
7273will be picked apart,
7274
72751558
727601:23:25,098 --> 01:23:26,697
7277your marriage
7278will be interrogated.
7279
72801559
728101:23:26,699 --> 01:23:28,567
7282In fact, we think
7283it will be best
7284
72851560
728601:23:28,569 --> 01:23:31,502
7287if Yasar was kept
7288well out of this.
7289
72901561
729101:23:31,504 --> 01:23:34,007
7292You should probably
7293not attend the trial.
7294
72951562
729601:23:35,441 --> 01:23:38,276
7297- I understand.
7298- What? No.
7299
73001563
730101:23:38,278 --> 01:23:40,444
7302Janum, we both know
7303the jury will prefer
7304
73051564
730601:23:40,446 --> 01:23:42,179
7307an English girl without
7308an immigrant husband.
7309
73101565
731101:23:42,181 --> 01:23:43,514
7312You know what?
7313That is ridiculous.
7314
73151566
731601:23:43,516 --> 01:23:45,951
7317We are married and we have
7318nothing to be ashamed of.
7319
73201567
732101:23:45,953 --> 01:23:47,719
7322The shame is on them, not you.
7323
73241568
732501:23:47,721 --> 01:23:51,624
7326You don't need to risk
7327your freedom to prove it.
7328
73291569
733001:23:51,626 --> 01:23:54,425
7331We should discuss
7332how you'll plead.
7333
73341570
733501:23:54,427 --> 01:23:55,626
7336Not guilty.
7337
73381571
733901:23:55,628 --> 01:23:57,729
7340SHAMI: But you understand
7341you confessed.
7342
73431572
734401:23:57,731 --> 01:24:01,200
7345I confessed that I leaked a memo
7346in order to try and save lives.
7347
73481573
734901:24:01,202 --> 01:24:05,804
7350And we will use that argument
7351to ask for a reduced sentence.
7352
73531574
735401:24:05,806 --> 01:24:08,773
7355If you do plead guilty,
7356there will be no jury.
7357
73581575
735901:24:08,775 --> 01:24:11,143
7360You could be out of jail
7361in less than six months.
7362
73631576
736401:24:11,145 --> 01:24:12,777
7365Given how badly
7366the war is going,
7367
73681577
736901:24:12,779 --> 01:24:15,179
7370we think a judge
7371is likely to be sympathetic.
7372
73731578
737401:24:15,181 --> 01:24:17,515
7375But I'd have
7376a criminal record.
7377
73781579
737901:24:17,517 --> 01:24:18,849
7380JAMES: That is true.
7381
73821580
738301:24:18,851 --> 01:24:21,487
7384Which I would carry with me
7385for the rest of my life
7386
73871581
738801:24:21,489 --> 01:24:23,087
7389into every job interview,
7390
73911582
739201:24:23,089 --> 01:24:24,255
7393every application for credit.
7394
73951583
739601:24:24,257 --> 01:24:26,157
7397- Yes.
7398- And I'm sorry.
7399
74001584
740101:24:26,159 --> 01:24:28,893
7402We would be conceding
7403
74041585
740501:24:28,895 --> 01:24:32,163
7406that no one in Intelligence can
7407ever tell the British people
7408
74091586
741001:24:32,165 --> 01:24:33,866
7411when their government
7412is lying.
7413
74141587
741501:24:33,868 --> 01:24:35,334
7416JAMES: Not when
7417the lies are protected
7418
74191588
742001:24:35,336 --> 01:24:37,702
7421by the
7422Official Secrets Act, no.
7423
74241589
742501:24:37,704 --> 01:24:39,036
7426I'm sorry.
7427This is all a charade.
7428
74291590
743001:24:39,038 --> 01:24:40,872
7431I mean, if you're saying
7432that I have to plead guilty
7433
74341591
743501:24:40,874 --> 01:24:43,642
7436because the act allows
7437absolutely no defense whatsoever,
7438
74391592
744001:24:43,644 --> 01:24:46,045
7441then the very idea
7442of a fair trial is a joke.
7443
74441593
744501:24:46,047 --> 01:24:47,779
7446I'm sorry,
7447Katharine,
7448
74491594
745001:24:47,781 --> 01:24:51,783
7451but the best we can do is
7452ask a judge for leniency.
7453
74541595
745501:24:51,785 --> 01:24:54,551
7456Post Belgrano, there
7457really is no defense
7458
74591596
746001:24:54,553 --> 01:24:56,087
7461to a breach of
7462the Official Secrets Act...
7463
74641597
746501:24:56,089 --> 01:24:57,992
7466Except perhaps one.
7467
74681598
746901:24:58,959 --> 01:25:00,593
7470Katharine said it herself.
7471
74721599
747301:25:00,595 --> 01:25:03,295
7474She leaked the memo
7475to try to save lives.
7476
74771600
747801:25:03,297 --> 01:25:04,728
7479But she still
7480broke the law.
7481
74821601
748301:25:04,730 --> 01:25:07,032
7484Yes, but there are circumstances
7485where you can break the law.
7486
74871602
748801:25:07,034 --> 01:25:09,835
7489It's only in situations
7490of absolute necessity...
7491
74921603
749301:25:09,837 --> 01:25:12,304
7494- Necessity. Exactly.
7495- Ben, you're reaching.
7496
74971604
749801:25:12,306 --> 01:25:15,608
7499Am I? What are the requirements
7500for a defense of necessity?
7501
75021605
750301:25:15,610 --> 01:25:17,643
7504Imminent threat to your life
7505or the lives of others.
7506
75071606
750801:25:17,645 --> 01:25:20,246
7509Yeah, and no other reasonable
7510way to prevent loss of life.
7511
75121607
751301:25:20,248 --> 01:25:21,813
7514Yes, right, well,
7515the invasion posed
7516
75171608
751801:25:21,815 --> 01:25:23,915
7519an imminent threat
7520to thousands of lives.
7521
75221609
752301:25:23,917 --> 01:25:25,850
7524Katharine has no right
7525to try and prevent a war
7526
75271610
752801:25:25,852 --> 01:25:27,118
7529authorized by
7530the Attorney General.
7531
75321611
753301:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,488
7534- Unless the war is illegal.
7535- SHAMI AND JAMES: What?
7536
75371612
753801:25:30,490 --> 01:25:33,724
7539- (CHUCKLES)
7540- Wait, wait, so now we're going to put the war on trial?
7541
75421613
754301:25:33,726 --> 01:25:34,893
7544BEN: Yes.
7545
75461614
754701:25:34,895 --> 01:25:39,363
7548I believe that Katharine Gun
7549tried to stop an illegal war.
7550
75511615
755201:25:39,365 --> 01:25:41,066
7553What she did was necessary
7554
75551616
755601:25:41,068 --> 01:25:44,435
7557to try to save thousands of
7558British-American and Iraqi lives.
7559
75601617
756101:25:44,437 --> 01:25:47,538
7562And Goldsmith
7563specifically stated
7564
75651618
756601:25:47,540 --> 01:25:49,040
7567that the invasion was legal.
7568
75691619
757001:25:49,042 --> 01:25:51,910
7571He said so only three days
7572before the invasion.
7573
75741620
757501:25:51,912 --> 01:25:53,312
7576What was his position
7577before that?
7578
75791621
758001:25:53,314 --> 01:25:56,081
7581What was his advice at the
7582time Katharine leaked the memo?
7583
75841622
758501:25:56,083 --> 01:25:57,948
7586- Well, we have no idea.
7587- Well, I'd like to find out.
7588
75891623
759001:25:57,950 --> 01:25:59,584
7591Because Blair spent
7592a lot of energy
7593
75941624
759501:25:59,586 --> 01:26:02,187
7596trying to secure
7597a new UN resolution.
7598
75991625
760001:26:02,189 --> 01:26:03,421
7601I suppose.
7602
76031626
760401:26:03,423 --> 01:26:05,590
7605When Lord Goldsmith
7606finally said
7607
76081627
760901:26:05,592 --> 01:26:09,161
7610the war was legal,
7611his deputy legal advisor resigned.
7612
76131628
761401:26:09,163 --> 01:26:10,961
7615Yes, Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
7616Yeah, that's right.
7617
76181629
761901:26:10,963 --> 01:26:12,496
7620- She resigned. Yes, yes.
7621- SHAMI: But she didn't say why.
7622
76231630
762401:26:12,498 --> 01:26:14,032
7625KATHARINE: She couldn't.
7626
76271631
762801:26:14,034 --> 01:26:16,001
7629If she did, she'd be charged
7630under the Official Secrets Act.
7631
76321632
763301:26:16,003 --> 01:26:18,202
7634So I need to get a meeting
7635with Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
7636
76371633
763801:26:18,204 --> 01:26:20,171
7639- She's not gonna go public.
7640- BEN: She doesn't have to.
7641
76421634
764301:26:20,173 --> 01:26:21,406
7644All we need is a hint
7645
76461635
764701:26:21,408 --> 01:26:24,242
7648that Goldsmith changed his mind
7649about the legality of the war.
7650
76511636
765201:26:24,244 --> 01:26:28,179
7653I'm sorry, Ben. There are two
7654ways they could justify war.
7655
76561637
765701:26:28,181 --> 01:26:30,447
7658- We've only addressed one.
7659- So what am I missing?
7660
76611638
766201:26:30,449 --> 01:26:31,916
7663- Self-defense.
7664- Oh, come on.
7665
76661639
766701:26:31,918 --> 01:26:33,852
7668Does anyone honestly believe
7669that this country
7670
76711640
767201:26:33,854 --> 01:26:35,621
7673was about to be attacked
7674by Iraq?
7675
76761641
767701:26:35,623 --> 01:26:37,923
7678I do agree, but that's why
7679they trotted out Powell.
7680
76811642
768201:26:37,925 --> 01:26:40,157
7683- To make the case for WMDs.
7684- Oh.
7685
76861643
768701:26:40,159 --> 01:26:41,960
7688If it's true that Iraq has
7689weapons of mass destruction
7690
76911644
769201:26:41,962 --> 01:26:44,595
7693that pose an imminent threat
7694to this country,
7695
76961645
769701:26:44,597 --> 01:26:48,567
7698the war is legal
7699without a UN resolution.
7700
77011646
770201:26:48,569 --> 01:26:49,901
7703How many people
7704actually believe
7705
77061647
770701:26:49,903 --> 01:26:51,803
7708Iraq still has weapons
7709of mass destruction?
7710
77111648
771201:26:51,805 --> 01:26:53,272
7713SHAMI: Well,
7714they're still looking.
7715
77161649
771701:26:53,274 --> 01:26:56,711
7718If we go down this route,
7719we better pray none are found.
7720
77211650
772201:26:58,913 --> 01:27:01,649
7723BEN: I'm gonna get
7724Elizabeth Wilmshurst's number.
7725
77261651
772701:27:04,185 --> 01:27:06,885
7728You've put me
7729in a rather awkward position.
7730
77311652
773201:27:06,887 --> 01:27:10,955
7733I'm sorry, but thank you
7734for seeing me.
7735
77361653
773701:27:10,957 --> 01:27:14,024
7738I think what she did
7739took great courage.
7740
77411654
774201:27:14,026 --> 01:27:17,862
7743And she was naive,
7744of course, but brave.
7745
77461655
774701:27:17,864 --> 01:27:20,935
7748And you were
7749brave enough to resign.
7750
77511656
775201:27:23,470 --> 01:27:26,638
7753But not to
7754speak out in public.
7755
77561657
775701:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,041
7758If I had, I might have caused
7759more of a brouhaha.
7760
77611658
776201:27:30,043 --> 01:27:31,910
7763Sparked a proper debate.
7764
77651659
776601:27:31,912 --> 01:27:36,083
7767Can I ask you, uh,
7768how did you resign?
7769
77701660
777101:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,756
7772I wrote a letter.
7773
77741661
777501:27:43,056 --> 01:27:46,191
7776And in that letter,
7777did you give a reason
7778
77791662
778001:27:46,193 --> 01:27:48,225
7781for your resignation?
7782
77831663
778401:27:48,227 --> 01:27:51,563
7785I restated my position on
7786the legality of going to war.
7787
77881664
778901:27:51,565 --> 01:27:53,430
7790Which was?
7791
77921665
779301:27:53,432 --> 01:27:55,800
7794That it would
7795not be lawful to use force
7796
77971666
779801:27:55,802 --> 01:27:59,170
7799without a new
7800Security Council resolution.
7801
78021667
780301:27:59,172 --> 01:28:03,910
7804Um, did Goldsmith initially
7805support your view?
7806
78071668
780801:28:05,110 --> 01:28:06,879
7809He did.
7810
78111669
781201:28:06,881 --> 01:28:09,113
7813He told Blair that
7814if military action were taken,
7815
78161670
781701:28:09,115 --> 01:28:11,282
7818he expected
7819the government to be accused
7820
78211671
782201:28:11,284 --> 01:28:13,820
7823of acting unlawfully.
7824
78251672
782601:28:15,321 --> 01:28:17,992
7827And was that
7828a written opinion?
7829
78301673
783101:28:19,092 --> 01:28:21,228
7832It was a detailed
7833advisory document.
7834
78351674
783601:28:23,029 --> 01:28:26,363
7837Right, so then would that
7838have been his position
7839
78401675
784101:28:26,365 --> 01:28:29,501
7842at the time that Katharine Gun
7843printed the Koza memo
7844
78451676
784601:28:29,503 --> 01:28:31,105
7847on February 3?
7848
78491677
785001:28:33,540 --> 01:28:34,742
7851Yes.
7852
78531678
785401:28:36,976 --> 01:28:39,046
7855And then
7856he went to Washington.
7857
78581679
785901:28:39,946 --> 01:28:41,380
7860Oh, really?
7861
78621680
786301:28:41,382 --> 01:28:46,053
7864- Well, who did he meet there?
7865- I wasn't given details.
7866
78671681
786801:28:47,154 --> 01:28:50,822
7869But after that trip,
7870his opinion changed.
7871
78721682
787301:28:50,824 --> 01:28:53,959
7874In nine short paragraphs,
7875he said that
7876
78771683
787801:28:53,961 --> 01:28:57,528
7879the UN's authorization
7880for the 1991 Gulf War
7881
78821684
788301:28:57,530 --> 01:28:59,965
7884could be reactivated
7885
78861685
788701:28:59,967 --> 01:29:02,401
7888to legitimize
7889a new war with Iraq.
7890
78911686
789201:29:02,403 --> 01:29:05,702
7893He told the Prime Minister
7894what he wanted to hear?
7895
78961687
789701:29:05,704 --> 01:29:07,839
7898At best, he was
7899persuaded to support
7900
79011688
790201:29:07,841 --> 01:29:10,474
7903a really fringe point of view.
7904
79051689
790601:29:10,476 --> 01:29:13,644
7907- Oh, really fringe.
7908- Yeah.
7909
79101690
791101:29:13,646 --> 01:29:15,749
7912(TELEPHONE RINGING)
7913
79141691
791501:29:19,418 --> 01:29:21,118
7916- Martin Bright.
7917- Martin.
7918
79191692
792001:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,420
7921- Ben.
7922- Ben.
7923
79241693
792501:29:22,422 --> 01:29:23,854
7926I took
7927your whistleblower's case.
7928
79291694
793001:29:23,856 --> 01:29:26,291
7931Yes, I heard.
7932Can I meet her?
7933
79341695
793501:29:26,293 --> 01:29:28,760
7936No, not yet, Martin.
7937I don't want a media frenzy.
7938
79391696
794001:29:28,762 --> 01:29:30,062
7941Okay. When she's ready.
7942
79431697
794401:29:30,064 --> 01:29:32,296
7945Before some hack
7946tracks her down.
7947
79481698
794901:29:32,298 --> 01:29:34,532
7950Come on, Ben, I broke her story.
7951I'm on her side.
7952
79531699
795401:29:34,534 --> 01:29:36,234
7955Well, you can help
7956by finding out
7957
79581700
795901:29:36,236 --> 01:29:38,803
7960why the Attorney General
7961went to Washington
7962
79631701
796401:29:38,805 --> 01:29:40,671
7965just before the war started.
7966
79671702
796801:29:40,673 --> 01:29:43,175
7969Wait, Goldsmith went to DC?
7970
79711703
797201:29:43,177 --> 01:29:44,876
7973I'd like to know
7974who he met there.
7975
79761704
797701:29:44,878 --> 01:29:46,044
7978Right. I'm on it.
7979
79801705
798101:29:46,046 --> 01:29:48,479
7982- And how is Peter?
7983- Peter is in Iraq.
7984
79851706
798601:29:48,481 --> 01:29:50,782
7987Yeah, yeah, I know.
7988I've been reading his articles.
7989
79901707
799101:29:50,784 --> 01:29:53,050
7992Listen, if he hears anything,
7993even a hint
7994
79951708
799601:29:53,052 --> 01:29:56,287
7997that Saddam really did have
7998weapons of mass destruction,
7999
80001709
800101:29:56,289 --> 01:29:57,456
8002then please call me.
8003
80041710
800501:29:57,458 --> 01:29:59,590
8006Of course. Can I ask why?
8007
80081711
800901:29:59,592 --> 01:30:01,559
8010Well, let's just say
8011that if WMD are found,
8012
80131712
801401:30:01,561 --> 01:30:04,862
8015then defending Katharine will
8016be a little more complicated.
8017
80181713
801901:30:04,864 --> 01:30:06,697
8020- I'll get back to you.
8021- All right, thank you.
8022
80231714
802401:30:06,699 --> 01:30:08,135
8025Okay. Thank you. Bye.
8026
80271715
802801:30:09,235 --> 01:30:10,102
8029(WHISTLES)
8030
80311716
803201:30:10,104 --> 01:30:11,935
8033There's thousands
8034of inspectors here
8035
80361717
803701:30:11,937 --> 01:30:14,139
8038from the US Army,
8039the British Army
8040
80411718
804201:30:14,141 --> 01:30:15,773
8043the CIA, FBI.
8044
80451719
804601:30:15,775 --> 01:30:17,175
8047MARTIN: And still nothing?
8048
80491720
805001:30:17,177 --> 01:30:20,510
8051No, no, not a fucking thing.
8052Nothing.
8053
80541721
805501:30:20,512 --> 01:30:23,380
8056Anyway, some Polish troops found
8057a cache of Sarin gas warheads
8058
80591722
806001:30:23,382 --> 01:30:25,884
8061dating back to the Iran-Iraq
8062War, but they were all empty.
8063
80641723
806501:30:25,886 --> 01:30:27,618
8066And right now, I'm standing
8067in a glass factory
8068
80691724
807001:30:27,620 --> 01:30:31,792
8071and all they've found is piles
8072of silica sand and soda ash.
8073
80741725
807501:30:34,028 --> 01:30:34,926
8076So, yeah.
8077
80781726
807901:30:34,928 --> 01:30:36,862
8080Things must be getting ugly
8081in Washington.
8082
80831727
808401:30:36,864 --> 01:30:39,063
8085Well, you should talk to Ed.
8086
80871728
808801:30:39,065 --> 01:30:41,465
8089Maybe we could end up doing
8090a joint piece or something.
8091
80921729
809301:30:41,467 --> 01:30:43,167
8094(EXPLOSIONS)
8095
80961730
809701:30:43,169 --> 01:30:45,603
8098- Peter, what was that?
8099- No, no, no.
8100
81011731
810201:30:45,605 --> 01:30:48,105
8103It's just our guys detonating
8104some conventional ordnance.
8105
81061732
810701:30:48,107 --> 01:30:49,707
8108- They don't wanna have...
8109- Jesus.
8110
81111733
811201:30:49,709 --> 01:30:52,510
8113...kids finding unexploded
8114shit in the rubble.
8115
81161734
811701:30:52,512 --> 01:30:54,979
8118All right, talk soon.
8119Take care.
8120
81211735
812201:30:54,981 --> 01:30:57,916
8123- Yeah, all right, mate. Bye.
8124- (CLAMORING)
8125
81261736
812701:30:57,918 --> 01:31:00,285
8128- February 11.
8129- MARTIN: What?
8130
81311737
813201:31:00,287 --> 01:31:03,121
8133ED: Goldsmith's in DC
8134meeting with the attorneys
8135
81361738
813701:31:03,123 --> 01:31:05,290
8138for Bush, Powell,
8139Rumsfeld and Rice.
8140
81411739
814201:31:05,292 --> 01:31:07,325
8143- Okay, hold on...
8144- But that's not the big story.
8145
81461740
814701:31:07,327 --> 01:31:10,728
8148The really big story
8149is the OSP.
8150
81511741
815201:31:10,730 --> 01:31:12,296
8153The Office of Special Plans.
8154
81551742
815601:31:12,298 --> 01:31:14,831
8157Turns out when Bush wasn't getting
8158the intelligence he wanted,
8159
81601743
816101:31:14,833 --> 01:31:17,669
8162Rumsfeld bypassed the CIA
8163
81641744
816501:31:17,671 --> 01:31:20,071
8166and set up his own
8167intelligence unit.
8168
81691745
817001:31:20,073 --> 01:31:22,372
8171They fed
8172raw unvetted intelligence
8173
81741746
817501:31:22,374 --> 01:31:25,876
8176to Bush and Powell
8177who lied us into a war!
8178
81791747
818001:31:25,878 --> 01:31:27,578
8181Yeah. Okay, Ed.
8182I appreciate that.
8183
81841748
818501:31:27,580 --> 01:31:29,014
8186But let's, first, try and help
8187
81881749
818901:31:29,016 --> 01:31:30,848
8190a young woman
8191stay out of prison.
8192
81931750
819401:31:30,850 --> 01:31:33,050
8195Uh, you said Goldsmith
8196met Bush's lawyers
8197
81981751
819901:31:33,052 --> 01:31:35,120
8200on February 11.
8201Who were those lawyers?
8202
82031752
820401:31:35,122 --> 01:31:36,987
8205"John Ashcroft,
8206Alberto Gonzales,
8207
82081753
820901:31:36,989 --> 01:31:40,125
8210William Taft, Jim Haynes,
8211John Bellinger."
8212
82131754
821401:31:40,127 --> 01:31:43,327
8215The attorneys for Bush,
8216Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice.
8217
82181755
821901:31:43,329 --> 01:31:46,096
8220Wow. They really
8221turned up the heat.
8222
82231756
822401:31:46,098 --> 01:31:49,099
8225You know, I almost
8226feel sorry for Goldsmith.
8227
82281757
822901:31:49,101 --> 01:31:52,402
8230Don't. He fucking caved when
8231his country needed him most.
8232
82331758
823401:31:52,404 --> 01:31:54,773
8235- That's a great headline, mate.
8236- It bloody is.
8237
82381759
823901:31:54,775 --> 01:31:56,375
8240- (CHUCKLES) All right.
8241- Print it.
8242
82431760
824401:31:56,377 --> 01:31:58,343
8245- Yeah. Bye.
8246- We'll share the byline.
8247
82481761
824901:31:58,345 --> 01:31:59,777
8250Bye.
8251
82521762
825301:31:59,779 --> 01:32:01,112
8254Nutter.
8255
82561763
825701:32:01,114 --> 01:32:03,048
8258MARTIN: Goldsmith was
8259under tremendous pressure
8260
82611764
826201:32:03,050 --> 01:32:04,648
8263before he went to Washington.
8264
82651765
826601:32:04,650 --> 01:32:06,283
8267Our military were
8268refusing to invade
8269
82701766
827101:32:06,285 --> 01:32:07,986
8272without a clear legal opinion
8273from him
8274
82751767
827601:32:07,988 --> 01:32:09,586
8277that what they were doing
8278was legal
8279
82801768
828101:32:09,588 --> 01:32:11,156
8282in case of a war crimes trial.
8283
82841769
828501:32:11,158 --> 01:32:13,057
8286Thank you, Martin,
8287very helpful.
8288
82891770
829001:32:13,059 --> 01:32:14,693
8291Well, no, hang on,
8292hang on, hang on.
8293
82941771
829501:32:14,695 --> 01:32:15,992
8296Do you think
8297you have a defense?
8298
82991772
830001:32:15,994 --> 01:32:17,495
8301- We're working on it.
8302- Okay.
8303
83041773
830501:32:17,497 --> 01:32:19,163
8306- Let me know when you do.
8307- Well, you'll hear it in court.
8308
83091774
831001:32:19,165 --> 01:32:20,965
8311- Come on, Ben.
8312- Bye.
8313
83141775
831501:32:20,967 --> 01:32:22,901
8316- He's persistent.
8317- He is.
8318
83191776
832001:32:22,903 --> 01:32:24,102
8321But it's your story
8322
83231777
832401:32:24,104 --> 01:32:26,703
8325and you don't need
8326a media trial.
8327
83281778
832901:32:26,705 --> 01:32:29,741
8330We should request full
8331disclosure of all legal advice
8332
83331779
833401:32:29,743 --> 01:32:33,310
8335given by Goldsmith in the year
8336leading up to the invasion.
8337
83381780
833901:32:33,312 --> 01:32:35,179
8340He'll almost certainly
8341refuse to comply.
8342
83431781
834401:32:35,181 --> 01:32:37,148
8345Then we'll
8346subpoena Wilmshurst.
8347
83481782
834901:32:37,150 --> 01:32:40,085
8350Hell, we'll subpoena Goldsmith himself.
8351And Blair too.
8352
83531783
835401:32:40,087 --> 01:32:44,255
8355Ben, if we can't prove that
8356Goldsmith changed his advice,
8357
83581784
835901:32:44,257 --> 01:32:48,062
8360we can't argue that Katharine
8361tried to stop an illegal war.
8362
83631785
836401:32:48,529 --> 01:32:49,897
8365What then?
8366
83671786
836801:32:58,404 --> 01:33:02,275
8369- Then I'll be found guilty.
8370- BEN: Almost certainly, yes.
8371
83721787
837301:33:09,516 --> 01:33:12,684
8374So, do you want
8375to risk it all
8376
83771788
837801:33:12,686 --> 01:33:17,889
8379and ask for disclosure
8380of the government's documents,
8381
83821789
838301:33:17,891 --> 01:33:19,323
8384or would you
8385rather plead guilty
8386
83871790
838801:33:19,325 --> 01:33:22,195
8389and hope
8390for a reduced sentence?
8391
83921791
839301:33:28,635 --> 01:33:30,301
8394(SIGHS)
8395
83961792
839701:33:30,303 --> 01:33:31,504
8398I think...
8399
84001793
840101:33:33,272 --> 01:33:36,644
8402...we were lied
8403into an illegal war.
8404
84051794
840601:33:42,681 --> 01:33:44,584
8407Let's ask for the documents.
8408
84091795
841001:33:50,891 --> 01:33:52,159
8411All right.
8412
84131796
841401:34:13,812 --> 01:34:15,582
8415(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
8416
84171797
841801:34:16,415 --> 01:34:17,952
8419(CLAMORING)
8420
84211798
842201:34:22,388 --> 01:34:23,988
8423You ready?
8424
84251799
842601:34:23,990 --> 01:34:25,889
8427No statements now,
8428remember.
8429
84301800
843101:34:25,891 --> 01:34:27,627
8432Let's just get through
8433those doors.
8434
84351801
843601:34:36,035 --> 01:34:38,038
8437(CLAMORING CONTINUES)
8438
84391802
844001:34:50,650 --> 01:34:53,151
8441- JAMES: Katharine, you okay?
8442- KATHARINE: Yeah.
8443
84441803
844501:34:53,153 --> 01:34:54,986
8446JAMES: Ben's already
8447in the courtroom
8448
84491804
845001:34:54,988 --> 01:34:57,255
8451but he wanted you to
8452meet Martin Bright.
8453
84541805
845501:34:57,257 --> 01:34:59,724
8456Uh, he's covering the trial.
8457
84581806
845901:34:59,726 --> 01:35:01,526
8460Katharine, it's an honor.
8461
84621807
846301:35:01,528 --> 01:35:04,161
8464I'll be in the press gallery.
8465I hope that's all right?
8466
84671808
846801:35:04,163 --> 01:35:06,965
8469Yeah, uh, yeah. You...
8470
84711809
847201:35:06,967 --> 01:35:09,600
8473You took a real risk.
8474
84751810
847601:35:09,602 --> 01:35:11,368
8477No, you took the risk.
8478
84791811
848001:35:11,370 --> 01:35:12,938
8481I think what you did
8482was extraordinary.
8483
84841812
848501:35:12,940 --> 01:35:15,673
8486I think what you exposed
8487was extraordinary.
8488
84891813
849001:35:15,675 --> 01:35:17,375
8491All our institutions
8492failed us.
8493
84941814
849501:35:17,377 --> 01:35:19,210
8496The government,
8497the intelligence services,
8498
84991815
850001:35:19,212 --> 01:35:22,346
8501the press,
8502they failed us categorically.
8503
85041816
850501:35:22,348 --> 01:35:25,183
8506Even my own paper supported
8507the war before that memo.
8508
85091817
851001:35:25,185 --> 01:35:26,718
8511Well, thank you
8512for being here.
8513
85141818
851501:35:26,720 --> 01:35:28,819
8516No, thank you.
8517
85181819
851901:35:28,821 --> 01:35:32,159
8520It's important what you did.
8521It matters.
8522
85231820
852401:35:33,525 --> 01:35:36,094
8525- JAMES: We should go in, Martin.
8526- MARTIN: Yes.
8527
85281821
852901:35:36,096 --> 01:35:39,700
8530Sorry, James. Yes.
8531Uh, be strong.
8532
85331822
853401:35:42,302 --> 01:35:44,801
8535Katharine,
8536you're going that way.
8537
85381823
853901:35:44,803 --> 01:35:46,670
8540Uh, can I just have a moment?
8541
85421824
854301:35:46,672 --> 01:35:48,474
8544- Of course.
8545- Thanks.
8546
85471825
854801:35:51,511 --> 01:35:53,577
8549You should leave that
8550behind, ma'am.
8551
85521826
855301:35:53,579 --> 01:35:56,315
8554Uh, yeah, sorry,
8555can I just have a second? Just...
8556
85571827
855801:36:05,190 --> 01:36:06,924
8559(CELL PHONE RINGS)
8560
85611828
856201:36:06,926 --> 01:36:08,425
8563Janum?
8564
85651829
856601:36:08,427 --> 01:36:11,664
8567Hi. Um, I'm about to go in.
8568
85691830
857001:36:15,735 --> 01:36:17,104
8571I love you.
8572
85731831
857401:36:18,504 --> 01:36:20,671
8575I love you too.
8576
85771832
857801:36:20,673 --> 01:36:24,709
8579Uh, I'm gonna try
8580and call as soon as I can.
8581
85821833
858301:36:24,711 --> 01:36:26,579
8584I wish I was there with you.
8585
85861834
858701:36:29,716 --> 01:36:31,084
8588I know.
8589
85901835
859101:36:32,019 --> 01:36:33,651
8592I'm so sorry.
8593
85941836
859501:36:33,653 --> 01:36:36,256
8596You have nothing
8597to be sorry for.
8598
85991837
860001:36:37,422 --> 01:36:41,127
8601I'm so proud of you.
8602So proud of you.
8603
86041838
860501:36:43,497 --> 01:36:45,399
8606(SNIFFLES) Bye.
8607
86081839
860901:36:46,867 --> 01:36:48,135
8610Bye.
8611
86121840
861301:36:54,106 --> 01:36:55,641
8614- SECURITY: Miss?
8615- (SNIFFLES)
8616
86171841
861801:36:56,943 --> 01:36:58,145
8619Sorry.
8620
86211842
862201:36:58,811 --> 01:37:00,478
8623I can take your bag.
8624
86251843
862601:37:00,480 --> 01:37:03,117
8627- We'll see you in there, okay?
8628- Yeah.
8629
86301844
863101:37:34,379 --> 01:37:37,217
8632Your scarf and jacket,
8633please.
8634
86351845
863601:37:42,521 --> 01:37:45,591
8637Okay, and then
8638if you'll raise your arms.
8639
86401846
864101:37:59,506 --> 01:38:00,507
8642Okay.
8643
86441847
864501:38:03,944 --> 01:38:05,379
8646(PICKS UP RECEIVER)
8647
86481848
864901:38:05,811 --> 01:38:06,946
8650She's here.
8651
86521849
865301:38:07,881 --> 01:38:09,813
8654Right. Okay.
8655
86561850
865701:38:09,815 --> 01:38:10,950
8658Judge is ready.
8659
86601851
866101:38:21,160 --> 01:38:22,428
8662Up you go.
8663
86641852
866501:38:44,418 --> 01:38:47,285
8666CLERK: Are you
8667Katharine Teresa Gun?
8668
86691853
867001:38:47,287 --> 01:38:48,419
8671(SOFTLY) Yes.
8672
86731854
867401:38:48,421 --> 01:38:52,156
8675I'm sorry.
8676Can you speak up, please?
8677
86781855
867901:38:52,158 --> 01:38:53,523
8680Yes, I am.
8681
86821856
868301:38:53,525 --> 01:38:56,126
8684CLERK: "Katharine Teresa Gun,
8685
86861857
868701:38:56,128 --> 01:38:57,560
8688"you are charged
8689with an offense
8690
86911858
869201:38:57,562 --> 01:39:00,698
8693"contrary to Section 1,
8694Subsection 1
8695
86961859
869701:39:00,700 --> 01:39:04,501
8698"of the Official Secrets Act
8699of 1989.
8700
87011860
870201:39:04,503 --> 01:39:08,673
8703"In that between January 30
8704and March 2 of 2003
8705
87061861
870701:39:08,675 --> 01:39:11,309
8708"you did knowingly
8709and intentionally
8710
87111862
871201:39:11,311 --> 01:39:14,245
8713"disclose top secret
8714intelligence information
8715
87161863
871701:39:14,247 --> 01:39:16,714
8718"contrary to the said act."
8719
87201864
872101:39:16,716 --> 01:39:20,654
8722How do you plead?
8723Guilty or not guilty?
8724
87251865
872601:39:22,989 --> 01:39:24,357
8727JUDGE: Ms. Gun?
8728
87291866
873001:39:27,360 --> 01:39:28,893
8731Not guilty.
8732
87331867
873401:39:28,895 --> 01:39:30,897
8735(AUDIENCE MURMURING)
8736
87371868
873801:39:33,033 --> 01:39:35,435
8739Yes, Mr. Ellison.
8740
87411869
874201:39:39,204 --> 01:39:41,374
8743Yes, thank you, My Lord.
8744
87451870
874601:39:42,374 --> 01:39:46,111
8747My Lord, in light of
8748recent developments,
8749
87501871
875101:39:46,113 --> 01:39:48,478
8752the prosecution
8753will offer no evidence
8754
87551872
875601:39:48,480 --> 01:39:51,215
8757against the defendant
8758on this indictment.
8759
87601873
876101:39:51,217 --> 01:39:52,850
8762(AUDIENCE MURMURING)
8763
87641874
876501:39:52,852 --> 01:39:54,520
8766JUDGE: I beg your pardon?
8767
87681875
876901:39:56,823 --> 01:40:00,291
8770My Lord, the prosecution will
8771not pursue the indictment.
8772
87731876
877401:40:00,293 --> 01:40:01,561
8775JUDGE: Today?
8776
87771877
877801:40:02,495 --> 01:40:04,862
8779- No, My Lord.
8780- JUDGE: I'm sorry.
8781
87821878
878301:40:04,864 --> 01:40:08,368
8784Are you asking for
8785an adjournment, Mr. Ellison?
8786
87871879
878801:40:09,334 --> 01:40:10,701
8789ELLISON: No, My Lord.
8790
87911880
879201:40:10,703 --> 01:40:12,803
8793JUDGE: You are saying
8794that you do not wish
8795
87961881
879701:40:12,805 --> 01:40:15,907
8798to proceed at all?
8799
88001882
880101:40:15,909 --> 01:40:17,274
8802ELLISON: Yes, My Lord.
8803
88041883
880501:40:17,276 --> 01:40:19,645
8806But the accused confessed.
8807
88081884
880901:40:20,881 --> 01:40:21,844
8810Yes, My Lord.
8811
88121885
881301:40:21,846 --> 01:40:24,615
8814JUDGE: And yet you do not
8815wish to proceed?
8816
88171886
881801:40:24,617 --> 01:40:26,416
8819- ELLISON: No, My Lord.
8820- JUDGE: I'm sorry.
8821
88221887
882301:40:26,418 --> 01:40:28,486
8824I find that extraordinary.
8825
88261888
882701:40:28,488 --> 01:40:30,524
8828Do you care to explain?
8829
88301889
883101:40:33,025 --> 01:40:36,559
8832My Lord, the accused
8833submitted an unusual defense.
8834
88351890
883601:40:36,561 --> 01:40:39,162
8837Yes. The defense of necessity.
8838
88391891
884001:40:39,164 --> 01:40:40,798
8841- ELLISON: Yes.
8842- And?
8843
88441892
884501:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,167
8846And we do not believe we have
8847sufficient evidence to rebut it.
8848
88491893
885001:40:44,169 --> 01:40:46,036
8851Why not? She confessed.
8852
88531894
885401:40:46,038 --> 01:40:47,639
8855Because, My Lord,
8856
88571895
885801:40:47,641 --> 01:40:50,642
8859the documents that
8860we have called for would show
8861
88621896
886301:40:50,644 --> 01:40:54,045
8864that this country was taken
8865to war illegally...
8866
88671897
886801:40:54,047 --> 01:40:55,379
8869(AUDIENCE MURMURING)
8870
88711898
887201:40:55,381 --> 01:40:57,915
8873...and may expose
8874
88751899
887601:40:57,917 --> 01:41:01,452
8877the government to
8878charges of war crimes.
8879
88801900
888101:41:01,454 --> 01:41:03,890
8882- That is absurd!
8883- Is it?
8884
88851901
888601:41:05,624 --> 01:41:07,692
8887Then kindly hand over
8888the documents
8889
88901902
889101:41:07,694 --> 01:41:10,661
8892that we have asked to see.
8893
88941903
889501:41:10,663 --> 01:41:12,429
8896My Lord, the prosecution
8897is not obliged.
8898
88991904
890001:41:12,431 --> 01:41:15,765
8901Indeed, it is not permitted to continue
8902with a case if it does not believe
8903
89041905
890501:41:15,767 --> 01:41:18,368
8906there is a realistic prospect
8907of a conviction.
8908
89091906
891001:41:18,370 --> 01:41:20,604
8911To do so would be a waste
8912of taxpayers' funds.
8913
89141907
891501:41:20,606 --> 01:41:22,473
8916My Lord, I am thankful
8917
89181908
891901:41:22,475 --> 01:41:25,643
8920that the charges against
8921Ms. Gun are being withdrawn
8922
89231909
892401:41:25,645 --> 01:41:28,277
8925and that the Crown
8926is suddenly so determined
8927
89281910
892901:41:28,279 --> 01:41:30,480
8930not to waste taxpayers' money.
8931
89321911
893301:41:30,482 --> 01:41:33,718
8934But surely,
8935after months of uncertainty
8936
89371912
893801:41:33,720 --> 01:41:38,022
8939and severe distress,
8940Ms. Gun is entitled to know
8941
89421913
894301:41:38,024 --> 01:41:40,925
8944why the government
8945is dropping this case?
8946
89471914
894801:41:40,927 --> 01:41:44,194
8949Indeed, the public
8950is entitled to know.
8951
89521915
895301:41:44,196 --> 01:41:45,998
8954- AUDIENCE: Hear, hear.
8955- Hear.
8956
89571916
895801:41:48,534 --> 01:41:50,069
8959JUDGE: Mr. Ellison?
8960
89611917
896201:41:53,338 --> 01:41:55,005
8963Again, My Lord, we do not feel
8964
89651918
896601:41:55,007 --> 01:41:57,908
8967we have a realistic prospect
8968of a conviction.
8969
89701919
897101:41:57,910 --> 01:42:00,046
8972There is nothing more
8973I can say.
8974
89751920
897601:42:01,047 --> 01:42:02,580
8977JUDGE: To be clear,
8978
89791921
898001:42:02,582 --> 01:42:06,750
8981you are withdrawing
8982all charges
8983
89841922
898501:42:06,752 --> 01:42:09,489
8986against
8987Katharine Teresa Gun?
8988
89891923
899001:42:12,525 --> 01:42:13,657
8991Yes, My Lord.
8992
89931924
899401:42:13,659 --> 01:42:15,162
8995(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
8996
89971925
899801:42:24,471 --> 01:42:25,872
8999Ms. Gun...
9000
90011926
900201:42:31,244 --> 01:42:32,813
9003...you are free to go.
9004
90051927
900601:42:34,247 --> 01:42:35,714
9007(SIGHS)
9008
90091928
901001:42:38,918 --> 01:42:39,986
9011(EXHALES)
9012
90131929
901401:43:08,280 --> 01:43:11,215
9015REPORTER 1: In a startling about-turn,
9016the Crown Prosecution Service
9017
90181930
901901:43:11,217 --> 01:43:13,350
9020has dropped its case
9021against an intelligence...
9022
90231931
902401:43:13,352 --> 01:43:16,754
9025REPORTER 2: At 29, Katharine Gun
9026was facing jail for breaking the...
9027
90281932
902901:43:16,756 --> 01:43:18,054
9030REPORTER 3: The last thing
9031the government wanted
9032
90331933
903401:43:18,056 --> 01:43:19,523
9035within months
9036of a general election
9037
90381934
903901:43:19,525 --> 01:43:20,758
9040was a big court case
9041
90421935
904301:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,859
9044focusing on the legality
9045of that war...
9046
90471936
904801:43:22,861 --> 01:43:24,795
9049REPORTER 4: The lawyers wanted
9050the Attorney General's
9051
90521937
905301:43:24,797 --> 01:43:26,563
9054secret advice
9055to Downing Street
9056
90571938
905801:43:26,565 --> 01:43:29,466
9059about whether invading Iraq
9060was or was not legal
9061
90621939
906301:43:29,468 --> 01:43:31,468
9064disclosed that the...
9065
90661940
906701:43:31,470 --> 01:43:34,507
9068And he was involved in deciding
9069whether today's case...
9070
90711941
907201:43:39,645 --> 01:43:42,979
9073REPORTER 5: First tonight,
9074Katharine Gun walks free.
9075
90761942
907701:43:42,981 --> 01:43:44,915
9078In a dramatic about-turn,
9079the Crown...
9080
90811943
908201:43:44,917 --> 01:43:46,684
9083REPORTER 6:
9084So did the Attorney General
9085
90861944
908701:43:46,686 --> 01:43:48,518
9088put pressure on to stop
9089the trial?
9090
90911945
909201:43:48,520 --> 01:43:50,121
9093Did GCHQ?
9094
90951946
909601:43:50,123 --> 01:43:52,590
9097Did the prime minister?
9098No answers.
9099
91001947
910101:43:52,592 --> 01:43:54,259
9102Tonight we're simply
9103asked to believe
9104
91051948
910601:43:54,261 --> 01:43:56,997
9107that there was no case
9108to answer.
9109
91101949
911101:43:58,998 --> 01:44:00,465
9112(CLAMORING)
9113
91141950
911501:44:00,467 --> 01:44:02,767
9116REPORTER:
9117Would you do it again?
9118
91191951
912001:44:02,769 --> 01:44:04,801
9121- Would you do it again?
9122- I have no regrets.
9123
91241952
912501:44:04,803 --> 01:44:07,039
9126Yes, and I would
9127do it again, yes.
9128
91291953
913001:44:22,622 --> 01:44:23,990
9131Caught anything?
9132
91331954
913401:44:25,257 --> 01:44:26,626
9135Not yet.
9136
91371955
913801:44:40,940 --> 01:44:44,010
9139You know, it wasn't
9140my choice to prosecute.
9141
91421956
914301:44:45,845 --> 01:44:49,348
9144I was bound by the decision
9145of the Attorney General.
9146
91471957
914801:44:50,748 --> 01:44:54,152
9149Why did you keep her
9150in a state of distress
9151
91521958
915301:44:54,154 --> 01:44:58,721
9154for a year
9155before you brought charges?
9156
91571959
915801:44:58,723 --> 01:45:02,492
9159The services wanted to make
9160an example of her.
9161
91621960
916301:45:02,494 --> 01:45:05,429
9164If we dropped the case
9165any earlier,
9166
91671961
916801:45:05,431 --> 01:45:08,133
9169what kind of message
9170would that have sent?
9171
91721962
917301:45:13,138 --> 01:45:15,007
9174Do me a favor, Ken.
9175
91761963
917701:45:15,675 --> 01:45:17,744
9178Go and fish somewhere else.
9179
91801964
918101:45:51,244 --> 01:45:56,244
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