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1[2017-11-27 15:50:31] <Kiwljazz> only black peoples votes in California, Ohio, New York and Virginia count
2[2017-11-27 15:50:34] <zapster> he would definitely have gotten them vs. trump
3[2017-11-27 15:50:48] <Nelluk> gerrymandering during the primaries?
4[2017-11-27 15:51:05] <TheThing> Kiwljazz: Black voters couldn't wait to love on Hillary and her fake promises and fake caring
5[2017-11-27 15:51:15] <zapster> to some extent even there. the system is designed to favor conservatives any way you slice it 
6[2017-11-27 15:51:21] <mrlamont> as opposed to bernies fake promises and fake caring
7[2017-11-27 15:51:22] <mrlamont> got it
8[2017-11-27 15:51:26] <Kiwljazz> i remember doing some poll and I called up these people who were black and The Husband wanted to vote for Bernie Sanders
9[2017-11-27 15:51:30] <Kiwljazz> and his wife was for Hillary
10[2017-11-27 15:51:34] <TheThing> mrlamont: YOu don't get it, but that's ok
11[2017-11-27 15:51:39] <mrlamont> i get everything
12[2017-11-27 15:51:43] <mrlamont> unless i state otherwise
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15[2017-11-27 15:51:46] <Kiwljazz> he asked me "Can you talk my wife into voting for Bernie"
16[2017-11-27 15:51:49] <mrlamont> until then assume i get it
17[2017-11-27 15:51:53] <zapster> but they had the primary locked down. they even went so far as to lock the bernie delegates out of the convention 
18[2017-11-27 15:51:57] <Kiwljazz> i didn't vote in the primary
19[2017-11-27 15:52:02] <mrlamont> i did!
20[2017-11-27 15:52:05] <mrlamont> it was fun
21[2017-11-27 15:52:07] <Kiwljazz> didn't pick sides really
22[2017-11-27 15:52:19] <TheThing> Kiwljazz: And in the background you heard, "she promised me a free cell phone and shit"
23[2017-11-27 15:52:21] <Kiwljazz> but I didn't want Bernie not to win
24[2017-11-27 15:52:28] <mrlamont> i did not
25[2017-11-27 15:52:29] <mrlamont> want
26[2017-11-27 15:52:30] <mrlamont> bernie
27[2017-11-27 15:52:32] <mrlamont> not to win
28[2017-11-27 15:52:33] <mrlamont> got it.
29[2017-11-27 15:52:42] <zapster> the clintons did so much damage to black life, I'm still astonished that they will have anything to do with thm at all
30[2017-11-27 15:52:56] <mrlamont> "they"
31[2017-11-27 15:53:04] <zapster> blacks
32[2017-11-27 15:53:06] <mrlamont> WOW
33[2017-11-27 15:53:07] <TheThing> I'm pretty sure Bill Clinton was in Roots
34[2017-11-27 15:53:08] <Kiwljazz> I felt he was competitive to HIllary
35[2017-11-27 15:53:20] <mrlamont> White People Chat About "The Blacks"
36[2017-11-27 15:53:23] <mrlamont> Live here in ##P_R
37[2017-11-27 15:53:29] <zapster> oh stop. 
38[2017-11-27 15:53:30] <raijin> lel
39[2017-11-27 15:53:35] <zapster> they're a voting bloc
40[2017-11-27 15:53:38] <Kiwljazz> only concious people and its only since black people interested in Criminal Justice reform was there ever any reason to hate the Clintons
41[2017-11-27 15:53:49] <mrlamont> watch live as priviledge white channel owner talks about "the blacks" and who "they" should or should not like
42[2017-11-27 15:53:54] <Kiwljazz> but you think everyone is "concious"
43[2017-11-27 15:53:55] <mrlamont> priviledged*
44[2017-11-27 15:54:04] <Nelluk> channel/planation owner
45[2017-11-27 15:54:08] <raijin> there's at least two blacks talking about it nao
46[2017-11-27 15:54:11] <nomic> softbank buys uber
47[2017-11-27 15:54:13] <zapster> which, back in the 90s was a big issue in black communities. I have read that older people, especially, supported bill's crime bill
48[2017-11-27 15:54:15] <mrlamont> man i dont think we should even refer to her as owner
49[2017-11-27 15:54:18] <mrlamont> that is problematic
50[2017-11-27 15:54:23] <mrlamont> you dont "own" us zapster
51[2017-11-27 15:54:31] <zapster> one of those "well it sounded like a good idea at the time, deals" 
52[2017-11-27 15:54:47] <TheThing> Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were both in Roots
53[2017-11-27 15:54:52] <mrlamont> i practically can feel the scars on my back from zapsters reign of terror
54[2017-11-27 15:54:56] <TheThing> Trump was the mean slave owner
55[2017-11-27 15:55:01] <Kiwljazz> what I remember of the 90s was my parents got better jobs...and everything was good
56[2017-11-27 15:55:19] <Kiwljazz> but the 90s will never be repeated again
57[2017-11-27 15:55:27] <TheThing> Clinton was the "nice" one who will "bring you some nice ham hocks after supper to the slave house"
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59[2017-11-27 15:55:46] <TheThing> The both needed a katana blade in the heart
60[2017-11-27 15:55:51] <zapster> but in reality it was a sellout to the prison corporations 
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62[2017-11-27 15:56:05] <Kiwljazz> its hard to see the Clintons as bad
63[2017-11-27 15:56:16] <Kiwljazz> other than the Monica Lewinsky thing 
64[2017-11-27 15:56:16] <TheThing> The Clintons pretend to be the nice ones
65[2017-11-27 15:56:21] <TheThing> But in reality they are just like Trump
66[2017-11-27 15:56:26] <Kiwljazz> they brought the party back from the dead
67[2017-11-27 15:56:27] <zapster> yeah, as people cashed out their equity and bill got some dotcom funding passed
68[2017-11-27 15:56:54] <Kiwljazz> before that we endured what 12-16 years of Republican rule
69[2017-11-27 15:57:05] <zapster> but that was the reign of debt. his surplus robbed all the cash out of people's pockets while the ran their credit cards up and cashed out their equity instead of wages
70[2017-11-27 15:57:08] <Kiwljazz> no one really speaks well of Carter
71[2017-11-27 15:57:12] <zapster> that's why the boom didn't last very long
72[2017-11-27 15:57:18] <Kiwljazz> Clinton was the dem comeback kid
73[2017-11-27 15:57:36] <Kiwljazz> like Reagon was for Republicans
74[2017-11-27 15:57:42] <TheThing> Carter is a great man
75[2017-11-27 15:57:50] <zapster> yeah. trojan horse. gave the repugs practically everything they'd been trying to get for decades
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77[2017-11-27 15:57:54] <zapster> all in one swell foop
78[2017-11-27 15:58:00] <Kiwljazz> yes yes but he didn't bring them wins
79[2017-11-27 15:58:09] <zapster> got their wishlist tho
80[2017-11-27 15:58:27] <Kiwljazz> Reagon as i understand is beloved because he wasn't Nixon...Nixon fucked up the Republican brand
81[2017-11-27 15:58:32] <zapster> arranged it so the wealthy got massively wealthier and took over government entirely.
82[2017-11-27 15:58:34] <Kiwljazz> and Reagon restored its glory
83[2017-11-27 15:58:37] <zapster> he opened that door
84[2017-11-27 15:58:48] <troy_cambridge> I also speak well of Carter.  I am so glad his surgery worked.
85[2017-11-27 15:59:00] <Kiwljazz> but yeah in order for Clintons to do that to the Dem party...it was the move to center or more right
86[2017-11-27 15:59:08] <Kiwljazz> and colluding with corporate interest
87[2017-11-27 15:59:16] <Kiwljazz> Third way democrats
88[2017-11-27 15:59:28] <zapster> yeah, they were the first of those. 
89[2017-11-27 15:59:56] <zapster> it was a coming-together of aynrand/friedman ideas. clinton fell for them. 
90[2017-11-27 16:00:16] <troy_cambridge> The DNC isn't even representative the democrat party
91[2017-11-27 16:00:19] <zapster> which are fundamentally republican, really
92[2017-11-27 16:00:27] <nomic> i got beer
93[2017-11-27 16:00:31] <zapster> nobody at the top is 
94[2017-11-27 16:00:35] <zapster> good beer?
95[2017-11-27 16:00:37] <Kiwljazz> Carter and Clinton made it so Democrats could win in the South
96[2017-11-27 16:00:37] <nomic> aint had any for 2 weeks
97[2017-11-27 16:00:43] <nomic> ended up with guinness is ok
98[2017-11-27 16:00:44] <Kiwljazz> Obama won with out the South
99[2017-11-27 16:00:53] <zapster> yeah. that seriously sucks 
100[2017-11-27 16:01:06] <zapster> we don't want the 'south' infecting everything 
101[2017-11-27 16:01:17] <TheThing> It was probably the introduction of shoes and books to the South that has made the difference
102[2017-11-27 16:02:01] <TheThing> Much of the South isn't much different than Roots, even today
103[2017-11-27 16:02:06] <zapster> and it has now
104[2017-11-27 16:02:18] <troy_cambridge> I remeber getting my shoes
105[2017-11-27 16:02:20] <Kiwljazz> There are some places worse than others
106[2017-11-27 16:02:42] <TheThing> troy_cambridge: Mine are no layaway
107[2017-11-27 16:02:45] <Kiwljazz> i still say Virginia is one of the more backwards places for being a common wealth
108[2017-11-27 16:02:46] <TheThing> * on
109[2017-11-27 16:02:47] <zapster> I think alabama and mississippi are fighting it out for most awful 
110[2017-11-27 16:02:55] <Kiwljazz> i try to give Mississippi some credit
111[2017-11-27 16:03:14] <Kiwljazz> i say Arizona is now the New Mississippi of the 21st century
112[2017-11-27 16:03:28] <zapster> yeah. it's angling for 'first nazi state' status
113[2017-11-27 16:03:38] <troy_cambridge> Louisian's tryin'
114[2017-11-27 16:03:41] <Kiwljazz> i mean come on Mississippi at leaast ratified slavery
115[2017-11-27 16:03:46] <TheThing> Let me explain the difference between the North and the South
116[2017-11-27 16:03:51] <Kiwljazz> only took them 150 years....
117[2017-11-27 16:03:52] <zapster> is this a good thing?
118[2017-11-27 16:03:55] <TheThing> Southerners are nice on the outside, and mean on the inside
119[2017-11-27 16:04:10] <troy_cambridge> How bout that Voting Rights Act?!!
120[2017-11-27 16:04:10] <TheThing> Northerners are mean on the outside, and nice on the inside
121[2017-11-27 16:04:15] <Kiwljazz> yeah they offer you iced tea and pie
122[2017-11-27 16:04:17] <zapster> yeah
123[2017-11-27 16:04:21] <TheThing> I know which ones I'd want to lie beside
124[2017-11-27 16:04:51] <Kiwljazz> you know the people i kinda dont trust
125[2017-11-27 16:04:56] <Kiwljazz> midwesterners
126[2017-11-27 16:05:05] <zapster> hey!
127[2017-11-27 16:05:12] — zapster resembles that remark
128[2017-11-27 16:05:18] <troy_cambridge> We're shifty in the mid west.
129[2017-11-27 16:05:37] — zapster doesn't have the presence of mind to be very shifty lol 
130[2017-11-27 16:05:46] <TheThing> If you want to keep it real, stay on the coasts
131[2017-11-27 16:06:19] <troy_cambridge> I don't even like it here really.
132[2017-11-27 16:06:36] <TheThing> Ohio is barely midwestern
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134[2017-11-27 16:07:09] <troy_cambridge> Ohioians are gossipier than heck
135[2017-11-27 16:07:15] <zapster> lol
136[2017-11-27 16:07:28] <zapster> 'cause it's basicaly boring there ;)
137[2017-11-27 16:07:50] <troy_cambridge> You've found the cause  too?   Now we just need a cure.
138[2017-11-27 16:08:13] <troy_cambridge> It's why we're all addicted to drugs too.
139[2017-11-27 16:08:24] <troy_cambridge> Boring!  with a capital B
140[2017-11-27 16:08:33] <TheThing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rYsMTMmq5g
141[2017-11-27 16:08:33] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Cambridge, Ohio from the air. :: Duration: 07:32
142[2017-11-27 16:08:54] <TheThing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7VHfYb4aA0
143[2017-11-27 16:08:55] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - WHEN IN CAMBRIDGE, OHIO | TRAVEL :: Duration: 15:46
144[2017-11-27 16:09:24] <troy_cambridge> We need better cages.
145[2017-11-27 16:10:05] <TheThing> Kayla is cute.  She just needs to stay off the Little Cesaer's
146[2017-11-27 16:10:35] <troy_cambridge> anyway.  Cynical is on high here.
147[2017-11-27 16:10:42] <TheThing> troy_cambridge: How the feck did you end up in Ohio?
148[2017-11-27 16:11:16] <troy_cambridge> The question is more how I cam to Cambridge.  I was born here.
149[2017-11-27 16:11:42] <troy_cambridge> I'm a native.  Grew up in FL and Georgia though.
150[2017-11-27 16:11:56] <Nelluk> https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/935272597520076803
151[2017-11-27 16:11:56] <TheThing> So you had it good, then came back.
152[2017-11-27 16:11:57] <rabble_bot> ^ Will Sommer on Twitter: "A brief history of James O'Keefe self-owns, in light of today's WaPo story 1/"
153[2017-11-27 16:12:00] <Nelluk> good thread
154[2017-11-27 16:12:07] <TheThing> I suspect Momma had something to do with it
155[2017-11-27 16:12:15] <troy_cambridge> My step father was from the south.  He was also a mariune.
156[2017-11-27 16:12:24] <TheThing> My condolences
157[2017-11-27 16:12:49] <troy_cambridge> marine,  A veteren of the First Korean Conflict.  Never was a  war
158[2017-11-27 16:13:02] <troy_cambridge> I desirve them.   :)
159[2017-11-27 16:13:38] <troy_cambridge> I have no animosity for the man.  Just don't trust him.
160[2017-11-27 16:13:42] <TheThing> Cambridge looks like a nice town, if we're honest
161[2017-11-27 16:13:47] <troy_cambridge> Didn't trust him.
162[2017-11-27 16:13:50] <TheThing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEUrJranGmU
163[2017-11-27 16:13:50] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Crazy Drunk in Cambridge ohio :: Duration: 00:22
164[2017-11-27 16:14:07] <troy_cambridge> It is a nice town.  I have survived without much difficulty here.
165[2017-11-27 16:14:24] <Kiwljazz> What if Trump lost the election?
166[2017-11-27 16:15:00] <troy_cambridge> It was a real good place to raise children.  Had that whole 'small town' feel.
167[2017-11-27 16:15:11] <Kiwljazz> I know the man don't really have real friends...but there was a time he was a socioalite...he invited lots of diverse and famous people to his hotels when they had grand openings
168[2017-11-27 16:15:14] <Kiwljazz> and hosted parties
169[2017-11-27 16:15:15] <TheThing> I want to party with you down on Wheeling Avenue
170[2017-11-27 16:15:34] <Kiwljazz> but the way he ran for President...i think he destroyed a lot of those relationships
171[2017-11-27 16:15:48] <Kiwljazz> had he lost...what was he supposed to go back to?
172[2017-11-27 16:15:58] <troy_cambridge> We have a lighted courthouse show every year in the Christmas season
173[2017-11-27 16:16:08] <TheThing> I've been talking to my ex-wife a lot lately
174[2017-11-27 16:16:28] <troy_cambridge> hat good?
175[2017-11-27 16:16:28] <TheThing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjDC7HOSC4M
176[2017-11-27 16:16:29] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Wheeling Avenue Cambridge, OH Main Street USA May 2014 :: Duration: 02:02
177[2017-11-27 16:16:41] <zapster> hell, by all reports he destroyed most of them long before. he was rumored to be broke. no one would lend to him anymore (except russian mafia, maybe--and he'd even screwed one of them, too) 
178[2017-11-27 16:16:53] <zapster> contractors wouldn't call him back either 
179[2017-11-27 16:16:55] <zapster> lol
180[2017-11-27 16:17:15] <zapster> frankly, I think he needed this job lol 
181[2017-11-27 16:17:34] <zapster> if he'd actually had to pay for media coverage I think he would have disappeared
182[2017-11-27 16:17:36] <TheThing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn55TFoJc-U
183[2017-11-27 16:17:36] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Christmas in Cambridge: the Dickens Victorian Village and Light Show :: Duration: 03:34
184[2017-11-27 16:17:49] <TheThing> Cambridge is really quite nice
185[2017-11-27 16:18:08] <TheThing> I thought troy lived in the ghetto.  I was wrong.
186[2017-11-27 16:18:47] <zapster> no wait. it was manafort that screwed the russian oligarch. trump couldn't get any on board with him. 
187[2017-11-27 16:18:48] <zapster> lol 
188[2017-11-27 16:18:51] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Washington Post Exposes James O'Keefe's Lame Attempt To Frame Them <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/washington-post-exposes-james-okeefes-lame>
189[2017-11-27 16:19:58] <troy_cambridge> I lived sorta ghetto.  Poor white and mixed neighborhoods.
190[2017-11-27 16:21:19] <troy_cambridge> My family occasionally creeped a bit above lower middle class.  I remember moving out to the suburbs.
191[2017-11-27 16:22:07] <troy_cambridge> Working folk who didn't always have jobs.
192[2017-11-27 16:22:25] <troy_cambridge> That was us.
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194[2017-11-27 16:23:37] <zapster> most of america now
195[2017-11-27 16:24:35] <Kiwljazz> only people i know with stable jobs
196[2017-11-27 16:24:36] <troy_cambridge> and that was me.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeMfwUN5z_4
197[2017-11-27 16:24:37] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Stevie Wonder - Living for the city 1974 :: Duration: 04:31
198[2017-11-27 16:24:41] <Kiwljazz> work ing government
199[2017-11-27 16:24:44] <Kiwljazz> or are school teachers
200[2017-11-27 16:25:29] <Kiwljazz> I know people in the mdeical field that can always find a job
201[2017-11-27 16:25:39] <Kiwljazz> but i can't say they always work at the same place for ever and ever
202[2017-11-27 16:25:40] <troy_cambridge> We didn't very often even have books in my house.
203[2017-11-27 16:25:50] <Kiwljazz> heard of nurses and medical assistants getting laid off
204[2017-11-27 16:25:52] <Kiwljazz> clinics closing
205[2017-11-27 16:25:55] <troy_cambridge> A couple of magazines came in the male.
206[2017-11-27 16:25:56] <TheThing> Trump couldn't help himself with the Pocahontas quip
207[2017-11-27 16:26:00] <troy_cambridge> mail
208[2017-11-27 16:26:16] <Kiwljazz> my roomate had like 4 jobs 
209[2017-11-27 16:26:39] <Kiwljazz> would get a job at one clinic...argue with the doctor or something and quit and find another one
210[2017-11-27 16:27:04] <TheThing> Why argue?
211[2017-11-27 16:27:04] <troy_cambridge> That's the way Jamacans did it in florida.  Had multiple under the table jobs.
212[2017-11-27 16:27:45] <TheThing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUqsjtsfq20
213[2017-11-27 16:27:46] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Cambridge Named Ohio's Best Hometown by Ohio Magazine :: Duration: 02:18
214[2017-11-27 16:28:00] <TheThing> I would be proud to live in Cambridge
215[2017-11-27 16:28:19] <troy_cambridge> I'm proud to live on earth
216[2017-11-27 16:28:22] <troy_cambridge> sorta
217[2017-11-27 16:28:38] — TheThing really likes you people!!
218[2017-11-27 16:28:38] ← TheThing left (email@unaffiliated/bazinga/x-2527997): 
219[2017-11-27 16:28:42] <troy_cambridge> We've come a long way baby
220[2017-11-27 16:29:49] <troy_cambridge> The terror attack in Egypt should have been bigger news.
221[2017-11-27 16:32:54] <troy_cambridge> America.  The land where  life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.
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224[2017-11-27 16:34:39] <troy_cambridge> The only thing we can do is vote for Trump .
225[2017-11-27 16:35:16] <troy_cambridge> A vote for Hillary would be stupid.  Right?
226[2017-11-27 16:36:03] ⇐ erasmus quit (~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus): Ping timeout: 258 seconds
227[2017-11-27 16:36:33] <rabble_bot> News from inthstimes: After the Keystone XL Approval, Here’s What’s Next for the Climate Movement <http://inthesetimes.com/article/20714/keystone-xl-climate-justice-organizing-TransCanada/>
228[2017-11-27 16:36:51] <Kiwljazz> why would Softbank buy such a shitfest as Uber
229[2017-11-27 16:36:56] <Kiwljazz> Uber makes no profit
230[2017-11-27 16:37:00] <Kiwljazz> they burn cash
231[2017-11-27 16:37:20] <troy_cambridge> It was your typical close race only Trump geared up the racists and the nationalists and the America Firsters to come out and vote for him.
232[2017-11-27 16:37:34] <Kiwljazz> wait what
233[2017-11-27 16:37:43] <Kiwljazz> when is this Alabama race going down
234[2017-11-27 16:38:33] <Kiwljazz> wow
235[2017-11-27 16:38:38] <Kiwljazz> life is bizzare
236[2017-11-27 16:38:40] <troy_cambridge> tomorrow?
237[2017-11-27 16:39:27] <Kiwljazz> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-27/whats-fking-point-john-mccain-slams-hillarys-constant-whining
238[2017-11-27 16:39:28] <rabble_bot> ^ "What's The F**king Point?" - John McCain Slams Hillary's Constant Whining | Zero Hedge
239[2017-11-27 16:39:51] <Kiwljazz> Never thought he'd get over his 2008 loss...look at him all mature and grown up
240[2017-11-27 16:40:08] <troy_cambridge> December 12, 2017
241[2017-11-27 16:40:22] <Kiwljazz> thats funny
242[2017-11-27 16:41:00] <Kiwljazz> Hillary Clinton should go to Dagobah
243[2017-11-27 16:41:45] <troy_cambridge> Congress has about two weeks to get their act together.  Instead they are gonna spend the time debating a tax reform?
244[2017-11-27 16:41:56] <Kiwljazz> The Senate is
245[2017-11-27 16:42:08] <Kiwljazz> i think the House is done...i dunno
246[2017-11-27 16:42:19] <Kiwljazz> they could all go home till January in my honest opinion
247[2017-11-27 16:42:30] <Kiwljazz> unless they are gonna work on the Dream Act
248[2017-11-27 16:42:41] <Kiwljazz> but realistically know thats not going to happen
249[2017-11-27 16:42:49] <Kiwljazz> and nothing productive would come of that
250[2017-11-27 16:42:52] <troy_cambridge> We have to raise the debt ceiling and pass a continuing resolution first.
251[2017-11-27 16:43:04] <Kiwljazz> ...
252[2017-11-27 16:43:23] <Kiwljazz> well that would be prudent
253[2017-11-27 16:43:24] <troy_cambridge> The budget and the ability to pay for it.
254[2017-11-27 16:44:02] <Kiwljazz> but i dunno if evil Mnuchin should be given a blank check book
255[2017-11-27 16:46:21] <Kiwljazz> anyone ever watch Pioneer Woman?
256[2017-11-27 16:46:40] <DilloMeister> Electric cars are NOT as green as you think (and some are worse polluters than petrol!) - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5068585/Some-electric-cars-worse-polluters-petrol-diesel.html
257[2017-11-27 16:46:42] <rabble_bot> ^ Guy Walters: Electric cars are not as green as you think | Daily Mail Online
258[2017-11-27 16:47:19] <Kiwljazz> https://www.eater.com/2017/11/15/16654928/pioneer-woman-landowner-sean-hannity-keurig
259[2017-11-27 16:47:20] <rabble_bot> ^ The Pioneer Woman Is the 23rd Largest Landowner in the US - Eater
260[2017-11-27 16:47:52] <Kiwljazz> I saw something where people were ripping into her for having a cooking show when she doesn't need one. So many other women in America need the oppourtunity more than her
261[2017-11-27 16:48:31] <Kiwljazz> never been all that impressed by her recipees anyways lol 
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264[2017-11-27 16:49:14] <GreatValue> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cTjhzSgdwE
265[2017-11-27 16:49:14] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - What they said in 1999 about Amazon com :: Duration: 12:40
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268[2017-11-27 16:49:28] <Kiwljazz> oh my
269[2017-11-27 16:49:40] <Kiwljazz> if thats on your Youtube timeline too
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276[2017-12-01 01:11:10] <KiwlJazz> Rule of law is required to establish human rights...can to much rule of law be anti human rights?
277[2017-12-01 01:12:45] <KiwlJazz> why is everything made more complex than it needs to be sometimes
278[2017-12-01 01:13:19] <KiwlJazz> why can't it be about did he intend to the lady or not and was it criminal....why we gotta build a whole wall because of it
279[2017-12-01 01:14:42] <Elegrant> We're talking about problematising the very notion of 'human'
280[2017-12-01 01:15:05] <Elegrant> let alone rights for the preservation of this problematic notion
281[2017-12-01 01:17:19] <Elegrant> I mean this is the problem I think, we each have our own universes of experience, of configuration of continuity
282[2017-12-01 01:17:54] <Elegrant> 'human' no longer makes sense 
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285[2017-12-01 01:18:42] <coffeeguy> but what about the crustations?
286[2017-12-01 01:19:12] <coffeeguy> don't they have rights
287[2017-12-01 01:19:51] <coffeeguy> limpets demand an audience before being pulled of their respective beach outcroppings and rocks
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291[2017-12-01 01:20:36] <noturfick> I just got a pillow, leggings, cooking spoons, a lb of mac and cheese, toilet paper, sour punch straws, and 2 personal blueberry pies for 15.04
292[2017-12-01 01:20:36] <coffeeguy> and let's not even get into the humilation that lobsters go through
293[2017-12-01 01:20:36] <KiwlJazz> https://thinkprogress.org/faith-leaders-protest-tax-bill-bce14e698ce9/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a20d74704d301562721b894&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
294[2017-12-01 01:20:37] <rabble_bot> ^ Faith leaders arrested as major religious groups rally against the GOP tax reform bill – ThinkProgress
295[2017-12-01 01:20:40] <noturfick> God bless America
296[2017-12-01 01:20:58] <KiwlJazz> Lobsters are alleged to be immportal
297[2017-12-01 01:21:07] <KiwlJazz> immortal
298[2017-12-01 01:21:24] <coffeeguy> portals would explain how they get from pllace to place
299[2017-12-01 01:21:25] <KiwlJazz> don't think they really have any natural predator
300[2017-12-01 01:21:33] <KiwlJazz> other than humans
301[2017-12-01 01:21:42] <KiwlJazz> i mean if we left them alone in the ocean and let them be
302[2017-12-01 01:21:55] <KiwlJazz> we don't tend to find a lot of dead lobsters at the bottom of the sea either
303[2017-12-01 01:21:58] <coffeeguy> it would be bug city under the waves
304[2017-12-01 01:22:11] <KiwlJazz> they have some method of regenerating cells in their body that deage them
305[2017-12-01 01:22:14] <KiwlJazz> and fix things
306[2017-12-01 01:22:25] <noturfick> Hey it's 44 degrees
307[2017-12-01 01:22:26] <KiwlJazz> see no reason for them to die...per say
308[2017-12-01 01:22:40] <KiwlJazz> could of been crawling around for hundreds of millions of years
309[2017-12-01 01:22:47] <KiwlJazz> till humans came along and decided to eat them
310[2017-12-01 01:23:11] <coffeeguy> poor lobsters just lobstering around till we showed up
311[2017-12-01 01:23:17] <KiwlJazz> ...they die in fish tanks at Red Lobster...but thats not their natural enviorment
312[2017-12-01 01:23:44] <KiwlJazz> interesting animals they are Lobsters
313[2017-12-01 01:24:20] <Elegrant> Bread Lobster
314[2017-12-01 01:24:20] <coffeeguy> lobster bisk is pretty good though so we might have a hard time getting their rights reinstated
315[2017-12-01 01:24:43] <Elegrant> they use only the finest lobster carapace moulds 
316[2017-12-01 01:24:48] <KiwlJazz> I've never really had lobster...well i had some Lobster cake like things at Red Lobster once
317[2017-12-01 01:24:58] <KiwlJazz> but I've never had the white meat stuff dip in butter
318[2017-12-01 01:25:08] <KiwlJazz> that looks so good that death row inmates order for the last meal
319[2017-12-01 01:25:09] <KiwlJazz> lol
320[2017-12-01 01:25:12] <coffeeguy> eh i could never afford that dish
321[2017-12-01 01:25:58] <Elegrant> death row inmates also order McDonalds as last meal
322[2017-12-01 01:26:03] <Elegrant> I know I probably would
323[2017-12-01 01:26:16] <coffeeguy> i think the fancied thing i've eaten at a fish place is the shrimps
324[2017-12-01 01:26:16] <Elegrant> see me out with a potential coronary 
325[2017-12-01 01:26:26] <Elegrant> might stave off the torturous pain of lethal injection or worse
326[2017-12-01 01:26:33] <coffeeguy> from one meal of mcD's?
327[2017-12-01 01:26:46] <Elegrant> coffeeguy, one last meal
328[2017-12-01 01:26:48] <coffeeguy> i know it's bad but dayum
329[2017-12-01 01:27:08] <coffeeguy> you planning on doing something naughty?
330[2017-12-01 01:27:25] <noturfick> Yes
331[2017-12-01 01:27:42] <coffeeguy> hey where's maoriaty? hehe
332[2017-12-01 01:27:43] <Elegrant> Shrimp-fist
333[2017-12-01 01:27:54] <coffeeguy> sexual it is with you
334[2017-12-01 01:27:54] <Elegrant> maoriarty?
335[2017-12-01 01:27:54] <KiwlJazz> https://www.snopes.com/are-jellyfish-and-lobsters-biologically-immortal/
336[2017-12-01 01:27:55] <rabble_bot> ^ Are Jellyfish and Lobsters Biologically Immortal?
337[2017-12-01 01:28:01] <KiwlJazz> well okay they kinda do die
338[2017-12-01 01:28:02] <noturfick> What
339[2017-12-01 01:28:13] <KiwlJazz> but still...compared to most other things they are basically immortal
340[2017-12-01 01:28:13] <Elegrant> I don't know if i'd be that generous to moriarty.. ;)
341[2017-12-01 01:28:33] <coffeeguy> tanked 20% in 24hours 
342[2017-12-01 01:28:39] <noturfick> What r u guys talking about
343[2017-12-01 01:28:57] <coffeeguy> guy that comes in here talking about how bitcoin rich he is
344[2017-12-01 01:29:10] <noturfick> I know who he is
345[2017-12-01 01:29:13] <noturfick> He a psycho
346[2017-12-01 01:29:14] <KiwlJazz> he didn't invest in Bitcoins...he wish he did
347[2017-12-01 01:29:17] <coffeeguy> lol noturfick 
348[2017-12-01 01:29:34] <coffeeguy> we're all a little off a cog eh
349[2017-12-01 01:29:42] <KiwlJazz> if he did
350[2017-12-01 01:29:50] <KiwlJazz> his biggest dream is moving out his moms basement
351[2017-12-01 01:29:56] <coffeeguy> lulz
352[2017-12-01 01:30:05] <noturfick> Not that off
353[2017-12-01 01:30:12] <coffeeguy> good he can take those jars of piss with him too
354[2017-12-01 01:30:13] <noturfick> And I'm off ok
355[2017-12-01 01:30:15] <Elegrant> cough off a cog a little 
356[2017-12-01 01:30:31] <coffeeguy> cough up a cog?
357[2017-12-01 01:32:06] <Elegrant> if that would make you happy
358[2017-12-01 01:32:08] <coffeeguy> hehe this new mac mini is pretty sweet i think i could even play tf2 on it
359[2017-12-01 01:32:46] <Elegrant> people still play TF2/
360[2017-12-01 01:32:48] <Elegrant> *?
361[2017-12-01 01:32:53] <coffeeguy> putting a power drill to this headache 'might' make me happy
362[2017-12-01 01:32:59] <coffeeguy> oh hell yah
363[2017-12-01 01:33:21] <coffeeguy> mostly people that can't play overwatch or afford the hardware to run it
364[2017-12-01 01:33:52] <noturfick> I take ibuprofen for headaches did you take ibuprofen
365[2017-12-01 01:34:06] <coffeeguy> but yah tf2 still gets updates and new game content
366[2017-12-01 01:34:25] <coffeeguy> i have excederine which i'm reaching for now ;)
367[2017-12-01 01:34:28] <Elegrant> I checked out when they had pay items and shit
368[2017-12-01 01:34:39] <Elegrant> valve basically started this whole microtransaction guff
369[2017-12-01 01:34:47] <Elegrant> and they have to pay the price for that, my userbase etc.
370[2017-12-01 01:35:15] <coffeeguy> well that's one guy
371[2017-12-01 01:35:46] <coffeeguy> they do have a market for valuable stuff seen a toon item for 1000.00 dollars
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375[2017-12-01 01:36:14] <Elegrant> I hate this over-proximity of capitalist market dynamics in gaming
376[2017-12-01 01:36:33] <Elegrant> I mean most games are kind of based off economic trade-offs etc. but still
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378[2017-12-01 01:36:53] <noturfick> Oh thanks for reminding me a downloaded my phone farm game
379[2017-12-01 01:37:02] <KiwlJazz> i wIf if Republicans are ogoing along with this tax bill
380[2017-12-01 01:37:02] <Elegrant> it was never as overtly 'commercialised' or oriented toward selling itself to you in a thousand different chunks 
381[2017-12-01 01:37:14] <KiwlJazz> and the goal is to pass this Tax bullshit by Christmas
382[2017-12-01 01:37:20] <KiwlJazz> what is the point of Roy Moore
383[2017-12-01 01:37:31] <KiwlJazz> i mean whats the point of White House saying they need him in the Senate
384[2017-12-01 01:37:56] <KiwlJazz> his election isn't untill next week
385[2017-12-01 01:38:03] <KiwlJazz> he can't save this bill
386[2017-12-01 01:38:16] <KiwlJazz> is Trump just trolling us to troll
387[2017-12-01 01:39:10] <Elegrant> maybe its a form of meta-politics
388[2017-12-01 01:39:14] <Elegrant> a 'fuck you' to life itself
389[2017-12-01 01:40:18] <Elegrant> maybe one way of 'defeating' Trump is not struggling against the rip, as it were, but to give Trump what he wants: a 'fuck you' to life itself
390[2017-12-01 01:41:24] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, animals are hilarious. Continue
391[2017-12-01 01:42:27] <KiwlJazz> I dunno
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393[2017-12-01 01:43:55] <KiwlJazz> black people make me feel uncomfortable
394[2017-12-01 01:45:04] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, ?
395[2017-12-01 01:46:07] <KiwlJazz> like...its like you have to side them with at all cost. You can't tell they are wrong about white people. I feel like a lot of what people do and say antagonizes them
396[2017-12-01 01:46:42] <KiwlJazz> I dunno...its a group think thing
397[2017-12-01 01:46:55] <Elegrant> what does the Woman want
398[2017-12-01 01:47:29] <Elegrant> we thought they wanted us to imitate them
399[2017-12-01 01:47:40] <Elegrant> but it is instead we imitated each other
400[2017-12-01 01:48:38] <KiwlJazz> I kinda want to step away from it all, activism, conversations about identity. I dunno i see so many colleagues and activist and they make me kinda frustrated cause of how they go about things...everyone takes the abosolutist position white people can not be allies or useful in anything
401[2017-12-01 01:48:57] <KiwlJazz> like we are headed towards some race war or back to segregation
402[2017-12-01 01:49:31] <noturfick> I considered myself a pretty hardcore white anti-racist and still do but have a lot of issues with that activism scene
403[2017-12-01 01:49:42] <KiwlJazz> education...its just another evil of the "white man" a tool can't be use to break masters chains
404[2017-12-01 01:49:47] <noturfick> In the race war I'm definitely on the black side
405[2017-12-01 01:50:03] <noturfick> But yeah I don't look people of color abused me just because I'm white
406[2017-12-01 01:50:12] <KiwlJazz> i dunno i just see....climate and what its becomming very....unproductive
407[2017-12-01 01:50:20] <noturfick> And I want to have real conversations about race when's that are actually relevant to our everyday life so like dating people of color
408[2017-12-01 01:50:27] <KiwlJazz> people organize events and spaces and will be like white people not allowed
409[2017-12-01 01:50:38] <KiwlJazz> Safe spaces are bullshit
410[2017-12-01 01:50:46] <noturfick> Oh spare me your white tears white boy
411[2017-12-01 01:50:54] <noturfick> Suck my clitoris
412[2017-12-01 01:51:01] <KiwlJazz> talking about "healining" trauma
413[2017-12-01 01:51:05] <noturfick> Do you know how many times I walked into a fucking room and it's all white guys
414[2017-12-01 01:51:18] <KiwlJazz> the state of humanity is just sucky
415[2017-12-01 01:51:22] <noturfick> Ur a douucchhee
416[2017-12-01 01:51:37] <noturfick> I never knew that about u
417[2017-12-01 01:51:43] <Elegrant> noturfick, once
418[2017-12-01 01:52:07] <noturfick> Incorrect!
419[2017-12-01 01:52:13] <Elegrant> twice
420[2017-12-01 01:52:19] <KiwlJazz> There is no healing
421[2017-12-01 01:52:33] <noturfick> You underestimate the trashy places i Hang in
422[2017-12-01 01:52:45] <noturfick> No healing4u
423[2017-12-01 01:53:25] <Elegrant> noturfick, do you mainly hang out at klan rallies or is this just a temporary diversion
424[2017-12-01 01:53:44] <noturfick> Are you trolling me because you know that's a really good way to get to me
425[2017-12-01 01:54:11] <Elegrant> noturfick, no troll intended
426[2017-12-01 01:54:11] <KiwlJazz> nono I'm just exhausted Fick
427[2017-12-01 01:54:16] <noturfick> You have to be trolling or you misread what I said
428[2017-12-01 01:54:42] <noturfick> Okay kiwi but do you know how incredibly privileged it is for you to say well I don't want to be exhausted I don't want to feel uncomfortable. How do you think people of color feel do you think they want to do with this shit they're probably exhausted they're probably sick of being uncomfortable
429[2017-12-01 01:54:51] <noturfick> Empathy my brother
430[2017-12-01 01:55:29] <Elegrant> true it is asymmetrical
431[2017-12-01 01:56:18] <KiwlJazz> Noturfick you realize i'm black and trans. Yes I really get it and I'm just not seeing results in the way people are going about things
432[2017-12-01 01:56:43] <noturfick> Well wasn't that kind of just your point but I don't have to agree with you just because you're black and trans LOL
433[2017-12-01 01:57:00] <noturfick> Which is kind of where I'm at I don't have to agree with every person of color or every trans person
434[2017-12-01 01:57:08] <noturfick> I think the woman in the feminism room are terrible people
435[2017-12-01 01:57:16] <KiwlJazz> nono but you made assumptions about me that couldn't be more wrong 
436[2017-12-01 01:57:26] <noturfick> Well you lost me at the safe space thing
437[2017-12-01 01:57:39] <noturfick> I'm gotten in arguments with multiple black people about having an all-black space
438[2017-12-01 01:58:16] <noturfick> And you left me and unproductive. Cops are getting convicted for things. Apparently a lot of black people won Grammys.
439[2017-12-01 01:58:21] <noturfick> Like how is this unproductive
440[2017-12-01 01:59:19] <KiwlJazz> I think the illusion that completely safe spaces can be created...are fantasy. All sorts of trauma is inflicted on people from all kinds of interactions.
441[2017-12-01 01:59:23] <rabble_bot> News from nakedcap: How Market Competition Really Works <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/market-competition-really-works.html>
442[2017-12-01 02:00:00] <KiwlJazz> There are small victories here and there but misguided conversations and sympaty every where....its like talking to a brick a wall. We ended up with Donald Trump as President
443[2017-12-01 02:00:39] <Elegrant> yeah basically things are very confused in America
444[2017-12-01 02:00:48] <KiwlJazz> wewe ended up with Donald Trump as President...after America has had "conversations" about many things
445[2017-12-01 02:01:01] <KiwlJazz> what really moves the national conscious
446[2017-12-01 02:01:23] <KiwlJazz> if Occupy was truly succesful Mulvaney would not be a CFPB and Mnuchin of all assholes would not be Treasury Secretary
447[2017-12-01 02:05:06] <Elegrant> the problem with Occupy is it generated the worst kind of reactionary apologia for the system
448[2017-12-01 02:05:16] <Elegrant> that may well see us into a new dark age at this rate.. 
449[2017-12-01 02:05:47] <Elegrant> we need a more radical, leftist, theoretically specific and rigorous, Occupy
450[2017-12-01 02:05:49] <KiwlJazz> I think the promise of Libertarianism, Uber, Bitcoins are more dangerous
451[2017-12-01 02:06:21] <KiwlJazz> than anything came about the rhetoric of Occupy
452[2017-12-01 02:07:18] <Elegrant> well Occupy failed in that it did not provide the 'alternative' that Libertarianism, Uber, Bitcoins etc. seem to on the surface
453[2017-12-01 02:07:31] <Elegrant> but really this is an alternative operation of capitalism
454[2017-12-01 02:08:04] <KiwlJazz> no because people falsely believe you can take control of your destiny in this system through those things
455[2017-12-01 02:08:49] <Elegrant> you kind of can though
456[2017-12-01 02:09:04] <KiwlJazz> can you?
457[2017-12-01 02:09:15] <Elegrant> albeit your destiny as limited by the functioning or dysfunctioning of these operations of the system
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460[2017-12-01 02:09:28] <KiwlJazz> how
461[2017-12-01 02:09:54] <KiwlJazz> oh you can acquire a pittance of money...hard to acquire "capital"
462[2017-12-01 02:10:38] <Elegrant> true, but with money comes some social status which can mean easier to schmooze into capital
463[2017-12-01 02:10:58] <KiwlJazz> I was reading a few articles about that last week
464[2017-12-01 02:11:03] <KiwlJazz> Social Capital
465[2017-12-01 02:11:08] <KiwlJazz> and it's importance
466[2017-12-01 02:12:10] <Elegrant> Ya?
467[2017-12-01 02:13:25] <Elegrant> i am not sure about this 'social capital'
468[2017-12-01 02:13:56] <KiwlJazz> you have to fit in with people, be social and shit and they will open doors to things
469[2017-12-01 02:14:13] <Elegrant> but there would have to be something like that, given the difference between Harvey Weinstein today vs. say 6 months ago, or before all these allegations really hit hard in the media
470[2017-12-01 02:14:14] <KiwlJazz> you can't be weird, introverted and a loner
471[2017-12-01 02:14:51] <noturfick> Okay so sometimes they call them safer spaces gives a shit
472[2017-12-01 02:14:58] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, you can if you can 'sell' it
473[2017-12-01 02:15:04] <noturfick> To say we should do something because we can't do it perfectly is an obvious fallacy
474[2017-12-01 02:15:08] <Elegrant> which of course is not truly weird
475[2017-12-01 02:16:31] <KiwlJazz> Theres a question of is it imporant to do...is fragmentation, and segregation really best. Depends on what you are working for...if its inclusion...its totally backwards and fucked up lol
476[2017-12-01 02:18:21] <KiwlJazz> Capitalism doesn't coddle or give two fucks about peoples feelings. Much of this system and the way things are can go on with out...
477[2017-12-01 02:18:29] <KiwlJazz> humanity
478[2017-12-01 02:21:19] <noturfick> Okay but if there are black only spaces than black people won't get together and figure out their problems by themselves in an honest way not a way that you won't want to say how you really feel. Just like white people aren't going to say how they really feel in the room with people of color
479[2017-12-01 02:23:31] <KiwlJazz> not sure anyone really ever does say what they truly feel in any social setting...except online, 4Chan, Reddit, Craigslist Rants & Raves sections and HuffingtonPost
480[2017-12-01 02:23:55] <KiwlJazz> well then theres Donald Trump....just spews a stream of conciousness out of his mouth
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482[2017-12-01 02:26:22] <KiwlJazz> and then theres a problem of these sorta spaces and enviorments forcing people into group think or an echo chamber
483[2017-12-01 02:26:51] <Elegrant> we need mass psilocybin injections
484[2017-12-01 02:27:52] <KiwlJazz> I would get my head cut if i suggested to some of my black trans friends who try to build grass roots organizations...that maybe they should ally and work with white people or build bridges outside to other communities
485[2017-12-01 02:27:59] <Elegrant> force em into a room together but on powerful psychedelics
486[2017-12-01 02:28:03] <KiwlJazz> but then theres this whole...whats the point of working with in the system
487[2017-12-01 02:28:17] <KiwlJazz> you can't use education and the masters tools to dismantle masters chains attitude
488[2017-12-01 02:29:21] <Elegrant> wasn't it Marx who said the capitalists will sell us the very rope we use to hang them with?
489[2017-12-01 02:29:27] <KiwlJazz> I feel i have to watch what I post or say about a lot of things everyday on Facebook or twitter
490[2017-12-01 02:29:41] <KiwlJazz> Morganq would probably know
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492[2017-12-01 02:30:11] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, me too
493[2017-12-01 02:30:36] <KiwlJazz> all in the name of protecting your "social capital"
494[2017-12-01 02:31:21] <KiwlJazz> I don't know...i think and agree with folks that respectability politics is bullshit in a way....but theres a way to navigate
495[2017-12-01 02:31:33] <KiwlJazz> i dunno people might want different things
496[2017-12-01 02:31:53] <Elegrant> no, people want the same non-things
497[2017-12-01 02:32:04] <KiwlJazz> I don't want to police how people talk or should dress
498[2017-12-01 02:32:18] <Elegrant> then don't
499[2017-12-01 02:32:28] <Elegrant> you do not have to enjoy
500[2017-12-01 02:32:48] <KiwlJazz> all interactions with people are hard
501[2017-12-01 02:33:02] <Elegrant> true
502[2017-12-01 02:33:10] <Elegrant> I tend to avoid it when I can
503[2017-12-01 02:33:20] <Elegrant> but when I am interacting with someone I try to 'dive in' a little
504[2017-12-01 02:33:23] <Elegrant> always a risk though
505[2017-12-01 02:33:39] <KiwlJazz> feel like i should just withdraw and be content playing videogames
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508[2017-12-01 02:34:21] <Elegrant> life is a videogame that got out of hand
509[2017-12-01 02:34:26] <KiwlJazz> i do feel strongly about how some people thing
510[2017-12-01 02:34:31] <Elegrant> its just a matter of wresting some control over this 'game'
511[2017-12-01 02:34:33] <KiwlJazz> think*
512[2017-12-01 02:34:36] <Elegrant> individually I mean
513[2017-12-01 02:34:44] <Elegrant> going beyond the game
514[2017-12-01 02:35:01] <KiwlJazz> Genocide, Euthanasia, Sterilization...war is good
515[2017-12-01 02:35:53] <KiwlJazz> i dunno theres just some fucked up things about people or the things they find acceptable. I feel we live in a time in America where people have broken the overton window on ideas/policies that would be taboo or unthinkable
516[2017-12-01 02:36:11] <KiwlJazz> theres that theory that a lot of people kinda police their own unpleasant thoughts in social situations
517[2017-12-01 02:36:17] <KiwlJazz> but then we have Donald Trump
518[2017-12-01 02:36:47] <KiwlJazz> and his stream of conciousness 
519[2017-12-01 02:36:51] <truffles> it all began when society oked men dressing up as women as normal, ppl arent sane
520[2017-12-01 02:37:23] <KiwlJazz> Truffles don't fucking start with me
521[2017-12-01 02:37:27] <Elegrant> the going beyond the game is worked into the new game
522[2017-12-01 02:37:42] <truffles> oh
523[2017-12-01 02:37:59] <KiwlJazz> you can join the trash pile with Moriarty, Mrlamont and Mr. Reader and ZenKurtz
524[2017-12-01 02:37:59] <truffles> i guess u view that as a normal act
525[2017-12-01 02:38:14] <Elegrant> I think part of the problem is that people are too attached to stories and not focusing on core conflicts
526[2017-12-01 02:38:43] <Reader> KiwlJazz, yes, people like you are not sane
527[2017-12-01 02:39:00] <Elegrant> conflicts which if made more obvious would plunge us into potential social chaos, but could also help us to get through the problems engendered by these holes
528[2017-12-01 02:39:11] <Reader> too many flaws in your life, you should be very busy.
529[2017-12-01 02:39:25] <truffles> i didnt think it normal in shakespeareian days either
530[2017-12-01 02:40:27] <Elegrant> normality mites 
531[2017-12-01 02:41:54] <humbot> scarper! the normal police are here
532[2017-12-01 02:42:31] <truffles> u cant complain about how society isnt normal and not want to see the signs
533[2017-12-01 02:42:37] <KiwlJazz> I can make the chat a safe space for myself by ignoring the trash pile
534[2017-12-01 02:42:49] <Reader> you can talk to a wall for that
535[2017-12-01 02:42:57] <humbot> amazing how willingly they identify themselves
536[2017-12-01 02:43:01] <Reader> if anyone in real life actually allows you to stand in front of their wall
537[2017-12-01 02:43:04] <Reader> which I highly doubt
538[2017-12-01 02:43:09] <Reader> you don't need this chatroom for that.
539[2017-12-01 02:43:48] <truffles> seems to me, it isnt normal anymore to have polite disagreements
540[2017-12-01 02:44:30] <Reader> indeed, you have to go apeshit to reveal your disagreement these days
541[2017-12-01 02:45:11] <truffles> well luckily i have composure 
542[2017-12-01 02:46:09] <Reader> KiwlJazz is just a sad nerd now
543[2017-12-01 02:46:17] <Reader> ashamed that even after living in the best country of the world
544[2017-12-01 02:46:20] <Reader> still poor as hell
545[2017-12-01 02:46:23] <Reader> and lonely.
546[2017-12-01 02:46:48] <truffles> citation on best country
547[2017-12-01 02:46:58] <Reader> US is best country right now
548[2017-12-01 02:47:01] <Reader> there is no doubt.
549[2017-12-01 02:47:19] <truffles> ..
550[2017-12-01 02:47:26] <Reader> highest GDP for its area..
551[2017-12-01 02:47:37] <Reader> I know, hardly 65% US is inhabitable though..
552[2017-12-01 02:47:44] <Reader> and most of those earners are immigrants
553[2017-12-01 02:47:46] <Reader> but still.
554[2017-12-01 02:48:06] <Reader> how can some native white american female, 36 years old, can be so poor and lonely?
555[2017-12-01 02:48:12] <Reader> it sounds like a lie.
556[2017-12-01 02:48:53] <truffles> some women arent into the traditional gender roles
557[2017-12-01 02:49:09] <truffles> prob why the birth rate is on steady decline
558[2017-12-01 02:49:31] <KiwlJazz> wheres Mythomaniac been
559[2017-12-01 02:49:43] <Reader> he comes everyday.. but mostly for 20 minutes
560[2017-12-01 02:54:10] <Reader> truffles, well.. but that doesn't matters in US, when it comes to earning, right?
561[2017-12-01 02:54:40] <truffles> looks to me like the foreigners are reproducing
562[2017-12-01 02:54:49] <Reader> I think, no men will prefer a whinny narrow minded girl
563[2017-12-01 02:54:54] <truffles> look at the projections
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565[2017-12-01 02:55:26] <truffles> narrow minded_
566[2017-12-01 02:55:38] <truffles> this is the exact girl men like
567[2017-12-01 02:55:52] <Reader> well.. I don't know
568[2017-12-01 02:56:06] <Reader> narrow minded also means those who don't take interest in things
569[2017-12-01 02:56:12] <truffles> add boobs and facepaint
570[2017-12-01 02:56:17] <Reader> for example, someone not taking interest in politics would be narrow minded for us
571[2017-12-01 02:57:11] <truffles> evidence points to face paint + boobs 
572[2017-12-01 02:57:55] <humbot> wut
573[2017-12-01 02:58:14] <truffles> u dont even like girls 
574[2017-12-01 02:58:54] <humbot> grrrls
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576[2017-12-01 03:06:29] <KiwlJazz> What happens to all these people who loose their jobs...but are incredibly rich or powerful
577[2017-12-01 03:06:42] <KiwlJazz> i mean what is Harvey Weinstein going to do now
578[2017-12-01 03:06:47] <KiwlJazz> or Matt Lauer?
579[2017-12-01 03:06:56] <truffles> get a new job duh
580[2017-12-01 03:07:04] <KiwlJazz> Where can they go since they are shammed and shunned by society?
581[2017-12-01 03:07:26] <KiwlJazz> Just reading now Russel Simmons is stepping down
582[2017-12-01 03:07:33] <truffles> i guess ure new to this..
583[2017-12-01 03:07:37] <KiwlJazz> from his companies
584[2017-12-01 03:11:20] <humbot> lets feed them oestrogen pills to keep them out of trouble
585[2017-12-01 03:14:56] <truffles> look at the female shaming hmmm
586[2017-12-01 03:15:58] <KiwlJazz> not sure what that will do...you feed them Spironolactone...which is an androgen blocker...that will chemical castrate someone if you take enough
587[2017-12-01 03:16:51] <truffles> where is this myth that gay men dont fight come from
588[2017-12-01 03:17:09] <Reader> few girls like you will still blow Weinstein, KiwlJazz, so he has nothing to worry about
589[2017-12-01 03:17:10] <KiwlJazz> But honestly no i'm not sure thats the answer
590[2017-12-01 03:17:15] <Reader> he won't get convicted anyway.
591[2017-12-01 03:17:37] <KiwlJazz> i kinda caution on is society over reacting...and as much of an asshole Geraldo Rivera is
592[2017-12-01 03:17:45] <KiwlJazz> are we criminalizing sexuality at this point
593[2017-12-01 03:18:07] <KiwlJazz> or courtship...thats why i asked after reading that story about the woman accusing Conyers
594[2017-12-01 03:18:12] <KiwlJazz> did she do anything
595[2017-12-01 03:18:59] <KiwlJazz> i mean if she was forced to have sex with him...thats one thing. If he raped her...if he exposed himself maybe thats another thing all together
596[2017-12-01 03:19:29] <KiwlJazz> but i mean if a horney guy ask for sex....can't you just say no. I've said no plenty of times and told guys to fuck off
597[2017-12-01 03:20:24] <Reader> but now no one wants to touch you with a 10 feet pole
598[2017-12-01 03:20:25] <Reader> so?
599[2017-12-01 03:22:07] <KiwlJazz> I had a guy over at my house once...didn't want to have sex with him really. But since he was there I kinda felt forced too. He ended up needing $10 for a cab home. Never saw him again, don't really want to...but I kinda do want my $10 back
600[2017-12-01 03:22:39] <truffles> lol u were like the guy 
601[2017-12-01 03:23:14] <truffles> only the paying part
602[2017-12-01 03:23:21] <Reader> you pick up rent boys from streets?
603[2017-12-01 03:23:23] <Reader> really?
604[2017-12-01 03:23:57] <truffles> rent boys sounds familiar
605[2017-12-01 03:25:19] <truffles> society says women shouldnt pay for things , so i try not ot
606[2017-12-01 03:26:14] <boz> truffles: how is that going for u?
607[2017-12-01 03:26:28] <truffles> ok so far
608[2017-12-01 03:26:37] <boz> paid for anythin this week?
609[2017-12-01 03:26:47] <truffles> in fact i did
610[2017-12-01 03:26:48] <Elegrant> from profit to rent
611[2017-12-01 03:27:03] <boz> truffles: doesnt that constitute failure?
612[2017-12-01 03:27:14] <truffles> i fail all the time, but i try
613[2017-12-01 03:27:39] <boz> truffles: you're only defeated once you give up, or every time u pay for stuff. hard to say
614[2017-12-01 03:27:43] <boz> only be*
615[2017-12-01 03:27:50] <truffles> but i ment, in dating situations
616[2017-12-01 03:28:51] <truffles> things i learned, dont ask guys out, dont pay for dates
617[2017-12-01 03:29:38] <truffles> but these prob apply to certain men, not the MGTOW types
618[2017-12-01 03:29:44] <boz> u learned not to ask guys out because of being rebuffed? 
619[2017-12-01 03:29:58] <boz> mgtow types shouldnt be dating. thats like a muslim eating pork
620[2017-12-01 03:30:11] <truffles> u expect them to go celibate hehe
621[2017-12-01 03:30:21] <truffles> boz, yes 
622[2017-12-01 03:30:22] <Elegrant> girls should ask guys out
623[2017-12-01 03:30:27] <Elegrant> as well as guys 
624[2017-12-01 03:30:37] <truffles> it doesnt work
625[2017-12-01 03:30:45] <boz> Elegrant: but girls cant do it, mostly
626[2017-12-01 03:31:00] <boz> they just dont have the aggression to bust through and just ask
627[2017-12-01 03:31:02] <boz> mostly
628[2017-12-01 03:31:03] <truffles> i think the guy feels emasculated 
629[2017-12-01 03:31:18] <Elegrant> boz, neither do many guys
630[2017-12-01 03:31:32] <boz> Elegrant: which is a problem since they're the ones with all the test'
631[2017-12-01 03:31:48] <boz> risk taking is with us
632[2017-12-01 03:31:58] <Elegrant> test?
633[2017-12-01 03:32:01] <truffles> these days lots of men appear very effeminate also
634[2017-12-01 03:32:04] <boz> testosterone
635[2017-12-01 03:32:22] <Elegrant> i'm a guy and I don't produce much test
636[2017-12-01 03:32:24] <boz> makes u more prone to aggression and risk taking
637[2017-12-01 03:32:37] <Elegrant> yeah too much aggression
638[2017-12-01 03:32:45] <Elegrant> and stupid risks if you ask me
639[2017-12-01 03:32:48] <boz> but when i say aggression i dont mean the uncouth kind, i mean the stoic kind
640[2017-12-01 03:33:00] <truffles> stoic ha
641[2017-12-01 03:33:03] <boz> though the uncouth shit comes out a lot
642[2017-12-01 03:33:06] <truffles> examples plz
643[2017-12-01 03:33:44] <Elegrant> the "get out of my sunlight" aggression?
644[2017-12-01 03:34:17] <boz> being too forward
645[2017-12-01 03:34:54] <boz> just knowing when to push/pull, rather than a whole lot of pushing
646[2017-12-01 03:35:41] <Elegrant> women perhaps feel they have enough pushing in their lives
647[2017-12-01 03:35:55] <truffles> meh im prob too aggro
648[2017-12-01 03:36:28] <Elegrant> truffles, i'd prefer aggro woman in some ways
649[2017-12-01 03:36:30] <KiwlJazz> I don't ask guys out...
650[2017-12-01 03:36:47] <truffles> Elegrant, thats cuz ure beta
651[2017-12-01 03:36:56] <boz> KiwlJazz: u and most women. just how it goes
652[2017-12-01 03:37:00] <boz> truffles: hah
653[2017-12-01 03:37:07] <Elegrant> truffles, compared to whom
654[2017-12-01 03:37:11] <KiwlJazz> Men are pretty to look at...don't nessecairly keep good company and are socialized with terrible beliefs and behaviors
655[2017-12-01 03:37:14] <truffles> me
656[2017-12-01 03:37:30] <truffles> KiwlJazz, yep
657[2017-12-01 03:37:55] <Elegrant> alpha and beta male is the worst kind of male-chauvanist ideology to crop up in recent times
658[2017-12-01 03:38:01] <boz> ^
659[2017-12-01 03:38:16] <truffles> until a better one comes along it suits
660[2017-12-01 03:38:34] <boz> sensitivity is "beta". good luck doing anything without that
661[2017-12-01 03:38:36] <Elegrant> how about stop being a male-chauvanist 
662[2017-12-01 03:38:40] <boz> unless ur in business
663[2017-12-01 03:38:42] <KiwlJazz> i think something i also realized about myself is I dont want to be submissive...i look more for someone to see me as an equal
664[2017-12-01 03:39:32] <truffles> KiwlJazz, i did mention that u want to dominate some1else
665[2017-12-01 03:39:38] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, yes but you DO not want to be submissive
666[2017-12-01 03:39:48] <Elegrant> you are still oriented toward submission but negatively
667[2017-12-01 03:40:09] <truffles> unless he's a bottom :D
668[2017-12-01 03:40:15] <KiwlJazz> i dunno what manhoood really is or entails...but something about hypermasculinity is ick 
669[2017-12-01 03:40:18] <truffles> she's*
670[2017-12-01 03:40:31] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, because its false
671[2017-12-01 03:40:59] <truffles> im fine with it
672[2017-12-01 03:41:03] <Elegrant> it requires the emasculated male, the 'beta' or 'worse'
673[2017-12-01 03:41:16] <truffles> as long as theyre not ubber douche 
674[2017-12-01 03:41:25] <Elegrant> it requires something that it does not fully acknowledge
675[2017-12-01 03:41:57] <KiwlJazz> i dunno theres concepts and things that are important  to people regardless of gender
676[2017-12-01 03:42:02] <truffles> my idea of hypermasculinity is getting firewood, paying for things
677[2017-12-01 03:42:11] <KiwlJazz> self actualization, confidence...independance
678[2017-12-01 03:42:44] <truffles> aggro when necessary
679[2017-12-01 03:42:52] <KiwlJazz> i dunno theres something else about the concept of adulthood vs being a child
680[2017-12-01 03:43:03] <KiwlJazz> i dunno where you seperate all the things
681[2017-12-01 03:43:16] <truffles> aggro aka assertive
682[2017-12-01 03:43:55] <Elegrant> aggressivity as cry for help?
683[2017-12-01 03:44:02] <KiwlJazz> i dunno i feel when certain guys do or say they are going to do something "I gotta be man"
684[2017-12-01 03:44:15] <KiwlJazz> why can't it be "I gotta be an adult"
685[2017-12-01 03:44:33] <truffles> because men and women are assigned roles
686[2017-12-01 03:45:00] <Elegrant> because adults are inconsistent 
687[2017-12-01 03:45:08] <KiwlJazz> or when women tell some guy to teach their son "to be a man"
688[2017-12-01 03:45:10] <truffles> if u can do ur male role and female roles then its ok, if u can only do female ones ..
689[2017-12-01 03:45:16] <Elegrant> and still think gender roles are important but also realise the bullshit inherent to this
690[2017-12-01 03:45:22] <KiwlJazz> what does that mean...really
691[2017-12-01 03:45:33] <Elegrant> you know children don't start discriminating until they're taught to
692[2017-12-01 03:45:35] <KiwlJazz> someone who goes out and hunts and can start a fire?
693[2017-12-01 03:45:42] <Elegrant> by way of social norms around gender
694[2017-12-01 03:45:49] <truffles> yes
695[2017-12-01 03:45:54] <truffles> lots of men cant
696[2017-12-01 03:46:15] <Elegrant> of course we can still 'discriminate' that one is male and has the penis and the other is female and 'lacks' but this is the extent of discrimination to begin with
697[2017-12-01 03:46:46] <truffles> somewhere in human history women got put in a lower status
698[2017-12-01 03:46:53] <KiwlJazz> I could say white men are very unmasculine in many ways...the things they do, kinds of jobs they hold in society don't require much physicality or anything
699[2017-12-01 03:46:55] <truffles> we've been stuck there
700[2017-12-01 03:46:58] <Elegrant> truffles, yeah last Thursday.
701[2017-12-01 03:47:05] <KiwlJazz> what masculine about Donald Trump being a bully in a buisness meeting
702[2017-12-01 03:47:20] <KiwlJazz> why are "men" required in business
703[2017-12-01 03:47:30] <truffles> oh my
704[2017-12-01 03:47:30] <Elegrant> men are conceited
705[2017-12-01 03:47:43] <Elegrant> they require of themselves everywhere
706[2017-12-01 03:47:48] <truffles> i think business is about posturing 
707[2017-12-01 03:47:54] <KiwlJazz> then theres the whole group of hipsters that grow their mountain man lumberjack beards
708[2017-12-01 03:48:30] <KiwlJazz> reading how facial hair was taboo for a while...and hairless men
709[2017-12-01 03:48:31] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, yeah this really has been the strangest fad/social phenomena i've seen 
710[2017-12-01 03:48:37] <truffles> some beards are sexi
711[2017-12-01 03:48:43] <Elegrant> probably since the 80s when everyone was wearing shit hair and shoulder pads 
712[2017-12-01 03:48:52] <KiwlJazz> if you look through magazines and see men or underware models they are virtually hairless
713[2017-12-01 03:49:17] <truffles> worse fad ever
714[2017-12-01 03:49:18] <KiwlJazz> pretty boys in all the movies hairless chest nowadays
715[2017-12-01 03:49:22] <truffles> t
716[2017-12-01 03:49:32] <Elegrant> imo it may be influenced by Muslim men
717[2017-12-01 03:49:40] <truffles> KiwlJazz, u might not like the reasons why
718[2017-12-01 03:49:48] <Elegrant> Muslim culture starting to change how Christian culture views itself
719[2017-12-01 03:49:50] <truffles> but i think its to appeal to the gay audience
720[2017-12-01 03:50:07] <KiwlJazz> Christian culture...is...
721[2017-12-01 03:50:11] <Elegrant> same with this resurgence in male-chauvanism
722[2017-12-01 03:50:13] <KiwlJazz> i don't have the words for it
723[2017-12-01 03:50:26] <KiwlJazz> but tons of people go to church and read the bible
724[2017-12-01 03:50:30] <truffles> Elegrant, explain
725[2017-12-01 03:50:36] <KiwlJazz> no one follows that schizophrenic jumbled mess to the T
726[2017-12-01 03:50:53] <KiwlJazz> people eat pork, cut their hair and wear polyester and cotton blend
727[2017-12-01 03:51:12] <truffles> i dont do 2 of those
728[2017-12-01 03:51:17] <KiwlJazz> i argue civic religion is more sacred to some people than actual religion
729[2017-12-01 03:51:22] <Elegrant> truffles, christianity has always put masculinity in an uncertain position
730[2017-12-01 03:51:35] <truffles> uncertain?
731[2017-12-01 03:51:39] <truffles> it seems clear 
732[2017-12-01 03:51:40] <KiwlJazz> Shout you don't believe in god in public some place and someone might say they'll pray for you
733[2017-12-01 03:51:42] <Elegrant> that is to say masculinity is always to 'check itself' so as to remain christian
734[2017-12-01 03:51:50] <KiwlJazz> Shout you hate America and you might get your ass beat
735[2017-12-01 03:51:51] <Elegrant> not get tempted by chauvanist sins etc.
736[2017-12-01 03:52:17] <truffles> Elegrant, not sure what u mean still
737[2017-12-01 03:52:26] <KiwlJazz> Football, Wrestling, Military
738[2017-12-01 03:52:27] <Elegrant> but here comes a religion and culture (Islam) where the man has a place as a man and it is separate as the place women hold
739[2017-12-01 03:52:46] <humbot> wow
740[2017-12-01 03:53:03] <truffles> do u mean Judaism ?
741[2017-12-01 03:53:05] <Elegrant> of course I could be grossly over-generalising
742[2017-12-01 03:53:23] <Elegrant> but the point is maybe more the image than the reality
743[2017-12-01 03:53:34] <truffles> still not clear
744[2017-12-01 03:53:37] <Elegrant> truffles, Judaism also puts masculinity in the wringer I think
745[2017-12-01 03:53:38] <KiwlJazz> i dunno Its hard to say muslims influence or drive any sort of trends
746[2017-12-01 03:53:55] <KiwlJazz> been kinda demonized in society
747[2017-12-01 03:54:11] <truffles> that thing they smoke
748[2017-12-01 03:54:30] <Elegrant> its not just being demonised, it is being demonised because it influences society
749[2017-12-01 03:54:31] <truffles> Hookah
750[2017-12-01 03:54:54] <Elegrant> and demonisation affects society, and our collective views on what we are demonising
751[2017-12-01 03:54:57] <truffles> now we have vapes
752[2017-12-01 03:55:18] <truffles> lets ban burkas to save society
753[2017-12-01 03:55:30] <KiwlJazz> what about the 2008 crash
754[2017-12-01 03:55:31] <Elegrant> as we demonise something we can't help but get closer to it
755[2017-12-01 03:55:46] <KiwlJazz> when the economy melted down and "men" professions were decimated
756[2017-12-01 03:56:05] <boz> majority of muslims dont like burkas either
757[2017-12-01 03:56:10] <rabble_bot> News from nakedcap: Links 12/1/17 <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/links-120117.html>
758[2017-12-01 03:56:15] <Elegrant> the problem isn't Islam
759[2017-12-01 03:56:27] <Elegrant> it is popular western Christian views on Islam
760[2017-12-01 03:56:37] <truffles> id like to be able to burka if i want
761[2017-12-01 03:56:42] <boz> and the ones who do wear them are assholes for wearing a symbol that says: "i think you're all debauched and i need a partition away from society"
762[2017-12-01 03:56:50] <KiwlJazz> i could bring up the one ironic thing
763[2017-12-01 03:57:08] <Elegrant> which generate the response to this cultural imposition in the form of deferred imitation
764[2017-12-01 03:57:08] <KiwlJazz> in Saudi Arabia...muslim guys wear dresses pretty much
765[2017-12-01 03:57:33] <truffles> those arent what i count as dress
766[2017-12-01 03:57:47] <Elegrant> what we admire in our 'enemy' is reduced to certain symbolic representations of this in social phenomena, trends, fads
767[2017-12-01 03:57:53] <humbot> muslim guys have dress rules too
768[2017-12-01 03:58:08] <humbot> partly why they don't go swimming much
769[2017-12-01 03:58:17] <Elegrant> men grow big lumberjack beards now because of some respect or even solidarity they have with Muslim men
770[2017-12-01 03:58:18] <KiwlJazz> theres that...but i think there was a time people went in and attacked jobs like Finance, and business and banking as soft jobs...not manly manly things
771[2017-12-01 03:58:34] <KiwlJazz> like people who go toil in coal mines or drill for oil or cut down trees
772[2017-12-01 03:58:52] <truffles> not anymore
773[2017-12-01 03:58:57] <truffles> not since theyre rolling in money
774[2017-12-01 03:59:07] <Elegrant> and also a beardy fad was never really done, except back in the 1800s
775[2017-12-01 03:59:12] <KiwlJazz> theres MGTOW and well the rise of feminism
776[2017-12-01 03:59:26] <truffles> feminism where
777[2017-12-01 03:59:56] <Elegrant> feminism is such a boogeyman these days
778[2017-12-01 04:00:13] <KiwlJazz> perhaps but theres no denying theres a anti reaction to it
779[2017-12-01 04:00:22] <Elegrant> everyone wants to complain about it for some reason
780[2017-12-01 04:00:39] <KiwlJazz> im mad it created MGtow
781[2017-12-01 04:00:40] <KiwlJazz> lol
782[2017-12-01 04:00:45] <KiwlJazz> and Men Rights movement
783[2017-12-01 04:01:11] <truffles> i would argue theyve always been around
784[2017-12-01 04:01:15] <KiwlJazz> like the universe bullshit equal response creating a reddit and 4chan community of crazies
785[2017-12-01 04:01:35] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, it only created these things with the liberalisation of feminism I think
786[2017-12-01 04:01:41] <Elegrant> but this is also a failure of feminists
787[2017-12-01 04:02:00] <boz> KiwlJazz: those men would be licking wet paint if it wasnt for mgtow 
788[2017-12-01 04:02:06] <truffles> i dont consider these mainstream women feminist but watevs
789[2017-12-01 04:02:16] <KiwlJazz> Transgender people are fascinating
790[2017-12-01 04:02:51] <KiwlJazz> but not...i feel like with out the transgender gender issue...there is already some existential crisis in a lot of cis people
791[2017-12-01 04:03:19] <truffles> what a turrble word, cis
792[2017-12-01 04:03:21] <KiwlJazz> there already tons of articles and think pieces on what is gender....blah blah blah
793[2017-12-01 04:03:41] <KiwlJazz> throwing trans people just elevates or confuses the conversation...i dunno
794[2017-12-01 04:04:10] <truffles> good to see ur self esteem is intact :d
795[2017-12-01 04:04:22] <KiwlJazz> theres something unresolved there
796[2017-12-01 04:06:36] <humbot> "everyone wants to complain about it for some reason"
797[2017-12-01 04:06:57] <Elegrant> what we are realising is we are shape-shifting trans-dimensional voids
798[2017-12-01 04:07:00] <humbot> why is cis a terrible world ?
799[2017-12-01 04:07:21] <humbot> isn't it just something to do with the shape of molecules ?
800[2017-12-01 04:08:21] <KiwlJazz> i dunno i just use cisgender to distinguish from transgender people
801[2017-12-01 04:08:43] <humbot> yup
802[2017-12-01 04:08:47] <KiwlJazz> it fits better than calling people straight or normal...even gay people can be cisgender
803[2017-12-01 04:08:57] <Elegrant> just say like "male" vs. "male dysbodied"
804[2017-12-01 04:09:28] <Elegrant> dis male
805[2017-12-01 04:09:49] <humbot> its just a neutral word with no dominator baggage
806[2017-12-01 04:10:09] <KiwlJazz> its better than non gender-dysphic
807[2017-12-01 04:10:23] <KiwlJazz> since well the DSM no longer calls it gender dysphoria
808[2017-12-01 04:10:39] <KiwlJazz> i think its gender incongruanity
809[2017-12-01 04:10:42] <KiwlJazz> now or something
810[2017-12-01 04:11:30] <humbot> its a measure of the emotional reaction that people come to dislike even the words used to talk about a subject
811[2017-12-01 04:11:47] <KiwlJazz> because it can be controlling
812[2017-12-01 04:12:25] <Elegrant> to say cis-gender is to presuppose that the norm is actually gender in the 'wrong body' is the norm
813[2017-12-01 04:12:36] <humbot> no
814[2017-12-01 04:12:41] <KiwlJazz> with in the trans community all sort of words and things have changed...I mean people argue over whether "Sex change" or "genital correction" surgery
815[2017-12-01 04:12:53] <humbot> cis and trans don't carry any baggage of what is normal
816[2017-12-01 04:13:18] <KiwlJazz> Transsexual is no longer preferred...transgender includes everyone
817[2017-12-01 04:13:36] <Elegrant> humbot, maybe not, but it wasn't normal to say 'cis-' in front of the word when saying someone is a male or female
818[2017-12-01 04:13:38] <KiwlJazz> no one likes transvestitute cause that defined by Hirschfield has baggage
819[2017-12-01 04:13:54] <Elegrant> but now if they are in their normative 'body' arrangement for their gender, it necessitates a cis-
820[2017-12-01 04:14:01] <humbot> yup
821[2017-12-01 04:14:39] <humbot> things become more accurately described 
822[2017-12-01 04:14:56] <KiwlJazz> Well you have debates on weather transgenderism is a mental disorder
823[2017-12-01 04:14:57] <Elegrant> that is to say this choice of terminology might not be helping the trans people's case
824[2017-12-01 04:15:00] <KiwlJazz> or something physical
825[2017-12-01 04:15:25] <KiwlJazz> since people argue that physically you can have the wrong gendered brain in the wrong body
826[2017-12-01 04:15:33] <Elegrant> I mean maybe they are right in their wordage
827[2017-12-01 04:15:36] <humbot> snowflakes can't stand being called cis
828[2017-12-01 04:15:46] <humbot> we have to call them normal so they don't get upset
829[2017-12-01 04:16:00] <humbot> insecurity in the moral majority
830[2017-12-01 04:16:01] <KiwlJazz> some of the studies though that say transgender people like trans women have female brains
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833[2017-12-01 04:16:20] <KiwlJazz> a lot of research and studies fixate on transwomen but never explain or try to explain
834[2017-12-01 04:16:33] <KiwlJazz> how transmales fit into existence
835[2017-12-01 04:17:26] <Elegrant> uncomfortably I imagine
836[2017-12-01 04:17:46] <Elegrant> I mean I'm a pretty femme guy
837[2017-12-01 04:17:55] <Elegrant> but I've never felt like I was in the wrong gendered body
838[2017-12-01 04:18:07] <Elegrant> maybe just the wrong body, or the wrong aesthetic etc.
839[2017-12-01 04:18:22] <KiwlJazz> Gotta love one lady...she acribes a lot of trans women to being autogynophillic
840[2017-12-01 04:18:39] <KiwlJazz> meaning they are so attracted to women they become them
841[2017-12-01 04:18:57] <Elegrant> seems correct to me
842[2017-12-01 04:19:21] <KiwlJazz> yeah...but then theres the trans women who well attracted to and have sex with men....the opposite end of the spectrum
843[2017-12-01 04:19:24] <Elegrant> that is to say our desires are never truly for the erotic other, but for the auto-erotic
844[2017-12-01 04:19:33] <KiwlJazz> some pyschologist says they are just really really feminine gay men
845[2017-12-01 04:19:40] <KiwlJazz> who couldn't cope or want to attrack men
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848[2017-12-01 04:20:47] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, I can see that
849[2017-12-01 04:21:11] <Elegrant> would be interesting if I could attract straight men 
850[2017-12-01 04:21:29] <KiwlJazz> why
851[2017-12-01 04:21:41] <Elegrant> straight men have a different quality to them than gay men
852[2017-12-01 04:21:49] <KiwlJazz> like what
853[2017-12-01 04:21:51] <Elegrant> though of course it does depend on the man
854[2017-12-01 04:22:18] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, they're not as initiated into gay thoughts
855[2017-12-01 04:22:25] <Elegrant> makes it uncharted territory in a way
856[2017-12-01 04:23:26] <Elegrant> I've always fancied myself a gay man who is into straight folk
857[2017-12-01 04:23:54] <KiwlJazz> I've been attracted to all sorts of guys...no explanation for it lol
858[2017-12-01 04:24:05] <boz> Elegrant: except straight men arent into gayness
859[2017-12-01 04:24:09] <boz> by definition
860[2017-12-01 04:24:21] <Elegrant> boz, until they are
861[2017-12-01 04:24:32] <KiwlJazz> I see myself as just attracted to masculinity
862[2017-12-01 04:24:42] <boz> this the gay man's fantasy. that straight men can be enticed into homosexuality
863[2017-12-01 04:25:02] <Elegrant> fantasy or correct?
864[2017-12-01 04:25:10] <KiwlJazz> but Elegrant do you see yourself the type who discerns from flaming guys and those that are..."masculine" or straight acting
865[2017-12-01 04:25:14] <boz> its a fantasy, 9.999% of the time
866[2017-12-01 04:25:21] <boz> 99.8% :)
867[2017-12-01 04:25:27] <boz> fuck i meant to hit 9
868[2017-12-01 04:25:39] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, both are not acting truly gay to me
869[2017-12-01 04:25:48] <Elegrant> they are both acting gay in relation to the straight man
870[2017-12-01 04:25:59] <Elegrant> and not gay for itself
871[2017-12-01 04:27:25] <Elegrant> boz, well then it happens all the time
872[2017-12-01 04:27:29] <KiwlJazz> I dunno femininity in some guys is unattractive...in others not so much. I dunno i've been attracted to girly gay men 
873[2017-12-01 04:28:09] <Elegrant> I guess we have different views on femininity
874[2017-12-01 04:28:12] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Kimmel To Roy Moore: 'If You're Challenging Me To A Fight, I Accept!' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/kimmel-roy-moore-if-youre-challenging-me>
875[2017-12-01 04:29:24] <KiwlJazz> Well i see fem guys get a lot of flack...like other gay guys don't want someone who wears makeup and heels 
876[2017-12-01 04:30:03] <KiwlJazz> had some friends i think were making a movie about "No Phats no Fems"
877[2017-12-01 04:31:51] <KiwlJazz> i have to say of anything i do see a lot of "No blacks" or "Whites only" on certain dating sites with gay males. not something i conciously think about but i guess could be telling about how some people feel about race
878[2017-12-01 04:32:56] <KiwlJazz> My former two besties used to talk about their dating troubles and all the rejection they got being gay and black in place predominantly white
879[2017-12-01 04:35:40] <Elegrant> it could be due to dick size
880[2017-12-01 04:35:45] <Elegrant> jealousy issues etc
881[2017-12-01 04:36:17] <Elegrant> though being fucked by a big black dick, can't see the downsides in that if you're gay
882[2017-12-01 04:42:30] <KiwlJazz> I love men and masculinity...but at this point in my life think i'd rather date a trans man
883[2017-12-01 04:44:35] <KiwlJazz> cisgender people can be problematic and traumatizing lol
884[2017-12-01 04:52:22] <humbot> the abstract dick
885[2017-12-01 04:53:32] <KiwlJazz> i dunno theres a good chance i die alone with cats 
886[2017-12-01 04:54:11] <Elegrant> at least you won't die alone without cats
887[2017-12-01 04:54:29] <Elegrant> or black dicks
888[2017-12-01 04:54:57] <KiwlJazz> overrated lol
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894[2017-12-01 05:00:06] <Reader> http://www.blacklistednews.com/Surveillance_State%3A_Stanford_Researchers_Use_AI_To_Determine_Neighborhood%27s_Bias_By_Its_Cars/61897/0/38/38/Y/M.html
895[2017-12-01 05:00:06] <rabble_bot> ^ Surveillance State: Stanford Researchers Use AI To Determine Neighborhood's Bias By Its Cars
896[2017-12-01 05:01:55] <boz> [12:42:34] <+KiwlJazz> I love men and masculinity...but at this point in my life think i'd rather date a trans man << u wot?
897[2017-12-01 05:01:59] <Reader> KiwlJazz, yes you should do something about your life
898[2017-12-01 05:02:13] <Reader> otherwise it will end up becoming as whacky as zapster's
899[2017-12-01 05:02:34] <boz> Reader: dont be a cock
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902[2017-12-01 05:02:43] <Reader> don't be a pussy, boz 
903[2017-12-01 05:02:48] <Reader> I am guiding
904[2017-12-01 05:02:50] <Reader> to perfection
905[2017-12-01 05:02:52] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw-5Q8WLFdQ
906[2017-12-01 05:02:52] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Trump Losing His Mind? :: Duration: 07:59
907[2017-12-01 05:03:14] <HomieX> https://tytnetwork.com/25th/
908[2017-12-01 05:03:14] <rabble_bot> ^ Poll: Full Mental Jacket | TYT Network
909[2017-12-01 05:07:04] <Elegrant> black dicked cats
910[2017-12-01 05:08:52] <KiwlJazz> I used to only care about the bumper stickers and signs people put up in their yard
911[2017-12-01 05:09:00] <KiwlJazz> i could care less what kind of car they drive
912[2017-12-01 05:09:23] <KiwlJazz> 2008 i had a Obama/Biden stick on my car
913[2017-12-01 05:09:32] <KiwlJazz> lucky my tires weren't slashed
914[2017-12-01 05:09:46] <KiwlJazz> whole block had McCain/Palin signs in their yard
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916[2017-12-01 05:10:21] <KiwlJazz> well we are the only black people live on this block...so maybe they were just being nice about it
917[2017-12-01 05:10:42] <KiwlJazz> "That black family over there...of course they would vote for Obama"
918[2017-12-01 05:11:23] <Elegrant> McCain/Palin? Eesh
919[2017-12-01 05:11:32] <Elegrant> did you knock on any doors, question them about it?
920[2017-12-01 05:11:40] <Elegrant> about that potentially grave error
921[2017-12-01 05:11:51] <KiwlJazz> i didn't canvass then
922[2017-12-01 05:11:56] <KiwlJazz> i did canvass in 2012
923[2017-12-01 05:12:05] <KiwlJazz> and a lot of people slammed their door in my face
924[2017-12-01 05:12:11] <Elegrant> I'm sure they're reasonable people .. oh
925[2017-12-01 05:12:33] <KiwlJazz> i gave up after seeing the ladies stand on one corner with their Honk your horn for Mitt Romney
926[2017-12-01 05:12:58] <KiwlJazz> i live in a form of hell
927[2017-12-01 05:13:22] <KiwlJazz> understand this place is like a suburb of 60K+ registered Republicans and 4000 Democrats
928[2017-12-01 05:13:50] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, why live there then? Forced to?
929[2017-12-01 05:14:00] <Elegrant> I mean if it gets hot it gets hot
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931[2017-12-01 05:14:09] <KiwlJazz> I vote anyways...sometimes it works out and Dems get elected to things
932[2017-12-01 05:14:11] <Elegrant> no need to simmer in the heat to be the good lobster
933[2017-12-01 05:14:53] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, letter bomb them with love and biodegradable glitter?
934[2017-12-01 05:15:01] <KiwlJazz> heh...well if I could afford to live in Denver maybe i would...or Boulder
935[2017-12-01 05:15:32] <KiwlJazz> though last year i was living in Colorado Springs...which is a nother form of hell and different than suburbia
936[2017-12-01 05:15:40] <KiwlJazz> but i think it kinda worked out
937[2017-12-01 05:15:51] <KiwlJazz> i voted for HIllary...Colorado went Blue for Hillary
938[2017-12-01 05:15:56] <KiwlJazz> she just didn't win
939[2017-12-01 05:16:12] <Elegrant> I almost wish I were survivalist in some ways
940[2017-12-01 05:16:27] <Elegrant> this idea of me living alone and away from people sounds good to me
941[2017-12-01 05:16:34] <KiwlJazz> El Paso County apparently hasn't gone blue since Lyndon Johnson
942[2017-12-01 05:16:39] <Elegrant> but survivalist ideology brings a lot of b.s.
943[2017-12-01 05:16:51] <KiwlJazz> I want a tiny house
944[2017-12-01 05:17:05] <KiwlJazz> well a tiny house is desirable
945[2017-12-01 05:17:12] <Elegrant> I always want some community though
946[2017-12-01 05:17:14] <KiwlJazz> because a normal sized house is unaffordable
947[2017-12-01 05:17:34] <Elegrant> but a space for my loneliness perhaps, for each of our lonelinesses
948[2017-12-01 05:18:04] <KiwlJazz> it was interesting when I lived alone
949[2017-12-01 05:18:05] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, that's saddening
950[2017-12-01 05:18:09] <Elegrant> its kind of getting that way here
951[2017-12-01 05:18:20] <Elegrant> unless you move out into the lower socio-economic areas
952[2017-12-01 05:18:21] <KiwlJazz> I had neighbors...sometimes run into
953[2017-12-01 05:18:31] <Elegrant> but even they can be pretty nice houses here
954[2017-12-01 05:18:40] <Elegrant> too many needless apartments going up though
955[2017-12-01 05:18:54] <KiwlJazz> on my left side was this middle eastern guy i dunno what he spoke Farsi or something
956[2017-12-01 05:19:20] <KiwlJazz> i could always hear him when he was on the phone...and sometimes i think he talked to himself in his apartment i could hear through the walls
957[2017-12-01 05:19:44] <Elegrant> KiwlJazz, Farsi f'arse farce?
958[2017-12-01 05:20:03] <KiwlJazz> other neighbor was a cratchety old lady who smoked a lot of cigarettes
959[2017-12-01 05:20:10] <KiwlJazz> and i think she smoked in her bathroom
960[2017-12-01 05:20:30] <KiwlJazz> one of my only pet peeves i'd wake up and could smell cigarettes
961[2017-12-01 05:20:56] <Elegrant> urgh
962[2017-12-01 05:21:01] <Elegrant> indoors smokers, nuh-uh
963[2017-12-01 05:21:15] <KiwlJazz> you aren't supposed to smoke in Federal public housing either
964[2017-12-01 05:21:38] <KiwlJazz> i wanted to complain but its one of those things....you don't want to get anyone kicked out
965[2017-12-01 05:21:47] <Elegrant> there should be a smoker's room in every house
966[2017-12-01 05:21:55] <Elegrant> a little indoor-outdoorsy courtyard space
967[2017-12-01 05:22:03] <KiwlJazz> anyone else there i didn't really get to know to much
968[2017-12-01 05:22:05] <Elegrant> which connects to the kitchen and living area maybe
969[2017-12-01 05:22:22] <KiwlJazz> cause I worked a lot
970[2017-12-01 05:22:38] <KiwlJazz> that was the biggest downside to living there was having no kitchen
971[2017-12-01 05:22:46] <KiwlJazz> and they said we couldn't have hot plates
972[2017-12-01 05:22:54] <KiwlJazz> but i got one anyways and always had to hide it
973[2017-12-01 05:23:12] <Elegrant> no kitchen? That's surely against regulations
974[2017-12-01 05:24:05] <KiwlJazz> It was transitional housing...they basically bought some old abandoned motel and converted them to little apartments
975[2017-12-01 05:24:27] <KiwlJazz> I had a full sized fridge...just no stove or sink to wash dishes
976[2017-12-01 05:24:38] <KiwlJazz> and no i didn't want to wash dishes in the bathtub
977[2017-12-01 05:24:42] <Elegrant> those are big nos
978[2017-12-01 05:25:10] <Elegrant> its like saying its a bathroom with no bath, shower or toilet
979[2017-12-01 05:25:17] <KiwlJazz> They had this kitchen like dining thing downstairs
980[2017-12-01 05:25:22] <Elegrant> its a room, with tiles
981[2017-12-01 05:25:23] <KiwlJazz> they wanted people to come and eat there
982[2017-12-01 05:25:36] <KiwlJazz> but the hours they served dinner weren't hardly convienent for me
983[2017-12-01 05:25:38] <KiwlJazz> as i worked
984[2017-12-01 05:25:51] <Elegrant> ah
985[2017-12-01 05:26:04] <Elegrant> yeah an automat service might have been better for that set-up
986[2017-12-01 05:26:38] <Elegrant> but nothing is nearly as well-oiled as post-war capitalist dreams of automatic living would lead us to believe
987[2017-12-01 05:26:40] <KiwlJazz> its a place for some people...usually housing for battered women and women with 1 or 2 kids
988[2017-12-01 05:26:48] <KiwlJazz> or old people on social security
989[2017-12-01 05:26:52] <KiwlJazz> can't live anywhere else
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991[2017-12-01 05:27:45] <KiwlJazz> rent was only 25% of whatever my income was
992[2017-12-01 05:27:54] <KiwlJazz> up till $400 bucks
993[2017-12-01 05:28:14] <KiwlJazz> when I had two jobs I just paid the $400
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996[2017-12-01 05:28:18] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: BREAKING: Trump Urged Top Republicans To End Russia Investigation <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/breaking-trump-urged-top-republicans-end>
997[2017-12-01 05:31:03] <KiwlJazz> Russel Simmons
998[2017-12-01 05:31:57] <KiwlJazz> https://bossip.com/1605814/its-a-wrap-russell-simmons-steps-down-from-companies-amid-sexual-harassment-allegations/
999[2017-12-01 05:31:58] <rabble_bot> ^ Russell Simmons Steps Away From Companies Amid Sexual Harassment Allegations | Bossip
1000[2017-12-01 05:32:28] <KiwlJazz> Who gon be left to rule the world>
1001[2017-12-01 05:32:57] <KiwlJazz> Just wait till the dig up some shit on Rosie O'Donnel
1002[2017-12-01 05:33:06] <KiwlJazz> i bet you not even women are safe
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1004[2017-12-01 05:33:27] <KiwlJazz> I remember hearing stories and complaints from people years before Rosie came out publically
1005[2017-12-01 05:33:40] <zapster> who he?
1006[2017-12-01 05:34:13] <KiwlJazz> some woman told me about going to a taping of one her shows and she would grope women and try to pick them up backstage
1007[2017-12-01 05:34:20] <KiwlJazz> Russell Simmons
1008[2017-12-01 05:34:24] <zapster> huh whoa. 
1009[2017-12-01 05:34:31] <zapster> don't know who he is
1010[2017-12-01 05:34:44] <KiwlJazz> hes rich...i dunno he started some record label in the 80s...he funded like the first rap albulm ever
1011[2017-12-01 05:34:51] <zapster> ah ok
1012[2017-12-01 05:34:54] <KiwlJazz> started clothing labels, created the Rush card
1013[2017-12-01 05:35:11] <KiwlJazz> stupid scam bad credit card for people
1014[2017-12-01 05:35:27] <zapster> and nobody went after him for that? 
1015[2017-12-01 05:35:34] <KiwlJazz> entrepenur....he's worth like hundreds of millions
1016[2017-12-01 05:35:44] <zapster> heh, this whole thing might lead to a better class of rich people ;)
1017[2017-12-01 05:35:46] <KiwlJazz> no he's seen as a role model
1018[2017-12-01 05:35:53] <zapster> ugh
1019[2017-12-01 05:36:17] <KiwlJazz> he's not exactly sleazy or shady either
1020[2017-12-01 05:36:30] <KiwlJazz> he comes off as kinda preachy
1021[2017-12-01 05:36:39] <KiwlJazz> but yeah he used to be married to a supermodel
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1026[2017-12-01 05:36:43] <zapster> that's the trouble with capitalism. when everything has a price, everybody has one too
1027[2017-12-01 05:36:45] <KiwlJazz> Kimora Lee Simons
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1029[2017-12-01 05:38:20] <Reader> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/30/how-the-republican-tax-bill-benefits-the-rich-according-to-government-analysis/?utm_term=.e73536f72a27
1030[2017-12-01 05:38:21] <rabble_bot> ^ How the Republican tax bill benefits the rich, according to government analysis - The Washington Post
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1035[2017-12-01 05:38:41] <KiwlJazz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Simmons
1036[2017-12-01 05:38:41] <rabble_bot> ^ Russell Simmons - Wikipedia
1037[2017-12-01 05:39:10] <KiwlJazz> well certainly they gonna take out the black millionaires and multimillionaires
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1039[2017-12-01 05:39:29] <KiwlJazz> Oprah better hide in a bunker
1040[2017-12-01 05:39:34] <zapster> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/29/lobster-pepsi-logo-ocean-new-brunswick-canada
1041[2017-12-01 05:39:35] <rabble_bot> ^ Lobster found with Pepsi logo 'tattoo' fuels fears over ocean litter | World news | The Guardian
1042[2017-12-01 05:39:43] <zapster> oprah?????
1043[2017-12-01 05:39:45] <zapster> wha?
1044[2017-12-01 05:39:54] <KiwlJazz> they gonna come for her
1045[2017-12-01 05:39:55] <KiwlJazz> lol
1046[2017-12-01 05:40:00] <zapster> why?
1047[2017-12-01 05:40:06] <KiwlJazz> shes a billionaire
1048[2017-12-01 05:40:20] <zapster> a very nice one. never heard of her hitting on anybody
1049[2017-12-01 05:41:06] <Nelluk> thats cause she hires the people to do the hitting so that she has plausible deniability
1050[2017-12-01 05:41:12] <KiwlJazz> heh...has to be odd to be someone like her
1051[2017-12-01 05:41:18] <zapster> oh nonsense 
1052[2017-12-01 05:41:30] <KiwlJazz> I mean half the celebrities and rich people she knows are in some bullshit
1053[2017-12-01 05:41:31] <KiwlJazz> lol
1054[2017-12-01 05:41:53] <zapster> seems to come with the territory. but there are some that just don't 
1055[2017-12-01 05:42:03] <zapster> they certainly don't have to
1056[2017-12-01 05:42:44] <KiwlJazz> You never know when you know Bill Cosby or a Donald Trump or a OJ Simpson
1057[2017-12-01 05:42:47] <zapster> https://patrioticmillionaires.org/2016/02/04/why-i-am-a-patriotic-millionaire-fred-rotondaro/
1058[2017-12-01 05:42:51] <rabble_bot> ^ Why I Am A Patriotic Millionaire: Fred Rotondaro - Patriotic Millionaires
1059[2017-12-01 05:42:57] <zapster> that site gives me a bit more hope for humanity :)
1060[2017-12-01 05:43:21] <KiwlJazz> i find all those OJ Simpson/Donald Trump selfies strange lol
1061[2017-12-01 05:43:39] <zapster> yeah. but that's a hazard of men in general too. there's no way to tell if your new hot date is a serial killer ;)
1062[2017-12-01 05:43:46] <KiwlJazz> considering both their personalities...that had to be something. Donald bragging about himself...OJ bragging about himself
1063[2017-12-01 05:43:50] <KiwlJazz> both talking over each other
1064[2017-12-01 05:44:15] <zapster> like attracts like I spose
1065[2017-12-01 05:44:24] <zapster> trump admires wealth
1066[2017-12-01 05:44:43] <zapster> and people as sleazy as he is 
1067[2017-12-01 05:45:25] <KiwlJazz> so last night the Tax vote was delayed
1068[2017-12-01 05:45:32] <KiwlJazz> and a bunch of pastors and priest
1069[2017-12-01 05:45:43] <KiwlJazz> got themselves arrested protesting the stupid tax bill
1070[2017-12-01 05:45:56] <zapster> it needs to die
1071[2017-12-01 05:46:01] <KiwlJazz> Susan Collins is our last hope
1072[2017-12-01 05:46:09] <zapster> there's nothing good in it and the bad is intensely bad 
1073[2017-12-01 05:46:15] <Nelluk> seems inevitable that something close ot it will pass
1074[2017-12-01 05:46:15] <KiwlJazz> it seems Corker, McCain, Murkowski
1075[2017-12-01 05:46:24] <KiwlJazz> will go alone with the bullshit that it is
1076[2017-12-01 05:46:28] <zapster> ugh
1077[2017-12-01 05:46:34] <zapster> murkowski even? 
1078[2017-12-01 05:46:35] <KiwlJazz> Susan Collins is the last hope
1079[2017-12-01 05:46:51] <Nelluk> she cant block it alone
1080[2017-12-01 05:47:01] <zapster> wall street must be promising them all some fantastic plums 
1081[2017-12-01 05:47:09] <KiwlJazz> well if shes a no vote
1082[2017-12-01 05:47:16] <KiwlJazz> i forgot the other two republican no votes
1083[2017-12-01 05:47:25] <Nelluk> i dont think there are any firm no votes
1084[2017-12-01 05:47:31] <zapster> because the next election will be their last 
1085[2017-12-01 05:47:36] <Nelluk> lol
1086[2017-12-01 05:47:40] <Nelluk> https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/tax-bill-senate-whip-count/
1087[2017-12-01 05:47:41] <rabble_bot> ^ Do Senate Republicans have the votes to pass their tax bill? - Washington Post
1088[2017-12-01 05:47:47] <HomieX> Morning 
1089[2017-12-01 05:48:14] <HomieX> kiwl: You gotta see this movie on HBO, "GET OUT" 
1090[2017-12-01 05:48:28] <KiwlJazz> Ron Johnson and Steve Daines are a no
1091[2017-12-01 05:48:35] <Nelluk> i dont think that is true.
1092[2017-12-01 05:49:03] <HomieX> I'm telling you homeboy 
1093[2017-12-01 05:49:07] <KiwlJazz> if they aren't now...well then we're fucked 
1094[2017-12-01 05:49:08] <HomieX> It's good 
1095[2017-12-01 05:49:20] <Nelluk> yes Get Out is arguably the best movie of 2017
1096[2017-12-01 05:49:42] <KiwlJazz> I feel like i could just watch Dick Gregory youtube videos
1097[2017-12-01 05:49:53] <KiwlJazz> where he talks about people getting their organs stole
1098[2017-12-01 05:50:23] <KiwlJazz> all i got to say to that is wouldn't a bunch of dead folks show up in corners office all over america
1099[2017-12-01 05:50:26] <KiwlJazz> stitched up?
1100[2017-12-01 05:50:35] <KiwlJazz> or not...
1101[2017-12-01 05:50:36] <zapster> https://patrioticmillionaires.org/2017/11/28/what-is-senator-hatch-thinking/
1102[2017-12-01 05:50:42] <rabble_bot> ^ Pearls of Wisdom: What is Senator Hatch Thinking? - Patriotic Millionaires
1103[2017-12-01 05:50:49] <KiwlJazz> Orin Hatch
1104[2017-12-01 05:50:50] <KiwlJazz> fuck him
1105[2017-12-01 05:50:55] <KiwlJazz> he needs to retire
1106[2017-12-01 05:50:57] <Nelluk> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-rewrite-tax-bill_us_5a20b157e4b03c44072c65ed
1107[2017-12-01 05:50:58] <rabble_bot> ^ Republicans Rewrite Portions Of Tax Bill Hours Before Vote | HuffPost
1108[2017-12-01 05:51:00] <zapster> Hatch and Brown were sparring over an amendment offered by the Democrats in light of the Republican claim that lower corporate tax rates would increase wages. The amendment would hold Republicans to their claims, and undo the tax cuts on corporations if wages don’t grow for workers. Senator Hatch, the chairperson of the Finance Committee, was not in favor of the amendment. In fact, he was so offended by the amendment that h
1109[2017-12-01 05:51:00] <zapster> e responded with self-righteous anger at being challenged by Senator Brown. But if this tax bill is really meant to help middle class and working Americans, not just corporations and rich people, what’s the big deal?
1110[2017-12-01 05:51:07] <zapster> they have no interest in helping us
1111[2017-12-01 05:51:51] <HomieX> zap: Did you see it?
1112[2017-12-01 05:51:54] <KiwlJazz> why is McCain voting for this piece of shit
1113[2017-12-01 05:52:07] <KiwlJazz> hes one of the few Republicans with half a brain or conscious
1114[2017-12-01 05:52:21] <Reader> poor people don't look sexy
1115[2017-12-01 05:52:23] <HomieX> He will benefit from it 
1116[2017-12-01 05:52:24] <Reader> that's the problem
1117[2017-12-01 05:52:37] <KiwlJazz> he gonna die soon
1118[2017-12-01 05:52:52] <KiwlJazz> i read how the bill eliminates some health deductable
1119[2017-12-01 05:52:57] <KiwlJazz> a lot of people use for cancer treatment
1120[2017-12-01 05:53:03] <zapster>  Far be it from me to accuse the longest serving Republican Senator (ever) of lying about deficits in order to cut government services, so I am trying to think of what the total change in position could mean....
1121[2017-12-01 05:53:04] <zapster> hah
1122[2017-12-01 05:53:05] <KiwlJazz> him of all people...
1123[2017-12-01 05:53:10] <KiwlJazz> why he voting for this bullshit
1124[2017-12-01 05:53:24] <zapster> HomieX, no
1125[2017-12-01 05:53:37] <KiwlJazz> he can't write off mortgage on his 7 houses
1126[2017-12-01 05:53:42] <HomieX> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5052448/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
1127[2017-12-01 05:53:43] <rabble_bot> ^ Get Out (2017) - IMDb
1128[2017-12-01 05:53:46] <KiwlJazz> why he voting for this bullshit
1129[2017-12-01 05:53:59] <HomieX> jazz: He will benefit from it 
1130[2017-12-01 05:54:03] <RandomCouch_afk> Why can't we enforce some type of shit that forces politicians to be honest to the public
1131[2017-12-01 05:54:15] <RandomCouch_afk> it's deplorable af
1132[2017-12-01 05:54:33] — HomieX throws a random coffee table at RandomCouch_afk
1133[2017-12-01 05:54:39] <RandomCouch_afk> oh hey thanks
1134[2017-12-01 05:54:42] <KiwlJazz> maybe hes being strategic
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1136[2017-12-01 05:54:47] <RandomCouch> I am now complete
1137[2017-12-01 05:54:49] — zapster needs a coffee table too
1138[2017-12-01 05:54:51] <KiwlJazz> he voted just to bring the bullshit to floor
1139[2017-12-01 05:54:52] <zapster> :)
1140[2017-12-01 05:54:54] <KiwlJazz> so he can vote hell no
1141[2017-12-01 05:55:02] <zapster> and some more coffee
1142[2017-12-01 05:55:04] <Nelluk> pretty sure he announced he will support final passage
1143[2017-12-01 05:55:11] <KiwlJazz> oh fuck him then
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1145[2017-12-01 05:55:12] <KiwlJazz> lol
1146[2017-12-01 05:55:18] <RandomCouch> I don't drink coffee, just french vanilla
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1148[2017-12-01 05:55:29] <zapster> twitter is slamming mccain over it. 
1149[2017-12-01 05:55:39] <zapster> there sure doesn't seem to be any popular support at all 
1150[2017-12-01 05:55:49] <KiwlJazz> well McBrain tumor can croak a little faster then
1151[2017-12-01 05:55:51] <HomieX> So in this movie this black guy is dating a white woman, they go to her parents house to meet them and things start getting weird 
1152[2017-12-01 05:56:02] <zapster> aliens?
1153[2017-12-01 05:56:17] <HomieX> The mom is a shrink and she talks the black guy into hypnotizing him to get rid of his smoking habit 
1154[2017-12-01 05:56:18] <KiwlJazz> no
1155[2017-12-01 05:56:28] <KiwlJazz> its a remake of The Skeleton Key
1156[2017-12-01 05:56:34] <KiwlJazz> only 
1157[2017-12-01 05:56:40] <zapster> dunno that one either
1158[2017-12-01 05:56:47] <KiwlJazz> some say its a comedy...Jordan Peale says its a horror movie
1159[2017-12-01 05:56:48] <HomieX> He starts having weird dreams and also he meets some other black people who work at the house and are very strange 
1160[2017-12-01 05:56:49] — zapster doesn't do movies much
1161[2017-12-01 05:57:29] <RandomCouch> same
1162[2017-12-01 05:57:33] <zapster> ah, so the white girl is bringing slave candidates home to mom
1163[2017-12-01 05:57:44] <HomieX> Anyway this guy figures out there is something very wrong going on .. like white people abducting black people and brainwashing them to be sex slaves? LOL 
1164[2017-12-01 05:57:45] <KiwlJazz> its that sorta thing my black friends would watch and agree "See told ya'll bout them white devils"
1165[2017-12-01 05:57:52] <HomieX> No it gets even stranger than that 
1166[2017-12-01 05:57:57] <KiwlJazz> well most everyones reaction to it
1167[2017-12-01 05:58:06] <zapster> oh good lol
1168[2017-12-01 05:58:17] <RandomCouch> rofl
1169[2017-12-01 05:58:24] <RandomCouch> "Dem white leperchauns"
1170[2017-12-01 05:58:33] <HomieX> The dad is a surgeon and he is removing black people's brains and replacing them with white people's brains 
1171[2017-12-01 05:58:43] <zapster> ewwwwww
1172[2017-12-01 05:58:54] <RandomCouch> whitewashing
1173[2017-12-01 05:58:56] <Nelluk> hey homie how about you stop spoiling the movie for those that havent seen it
1174[2017-12-01 05:59:01] <HomieX> So the white people live using the black person's body 
1175[2017-12-01 05:59:04] <zapster> and they act weird because they've had everything all fucked up in 'em 
1176[2017-12-01 05:59:05] <KiwlJazz> because secretly white people are envious and just want to be us
1177[2017-12-01 05:59:14] <zapster> yeah that's it
1178[2017-12-01 05:59:15] <KiwlJazz> so they can sing tap dance and entertain and shuck and jive too
1179[2017-12-01 05:59:17] <HomieX> It's well done
1180[2017-12-01 05:59:19] <KiwlJazz> living the dream
1181[2017-12-01 05:59:24] <HomieX> suspense filled 
1182[2017-12-01 05:59:24] <zapster> and fine, this way I don't have to watch it :)
1183[2017-12-01 05:59:32] <HomieX> Like an old school horror movie 
1184[2017-12-01 05:59:34] <KiwlJazz> I saw that crazy lady who injected her skin with something
1185[2017-12-01 05:59:36] <KiwlJazz> to be black
1186[2017-12-01 05:59:36] <HomieX> I enjoyed it
1187[2017-12-01 05:59:44] <RandomCouch> lol
1188[2017-12-01 05:59:48] <HomieX> No explosions, no CG, no car chases 
1189[2017-12-01 05:59:53] <KiwlJazz> ...i'm beyond words to really comment
1190[2017-12-01 05:59:56] <zapster> Black Like Me was horror...
1191[2017-12-01 05:59:59] <HomieX> good story, good acting 
1192[2017-12-01 06:00:04] <zapster> was quite an eye-opener
1193[2017-12-01 06:00:07] <HomieX> suspense 
1194[2017-12-01 06:00:10] <HomieX> SEE IT 
1195[2017-12-01 06:00:19] <HomieX> cuz white people are DEVILS! 
1196[2017-12-01 06:00:32] <KiwlJazz> https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/german-white-woman-completes-her-transition-into-a-blac-1796362130
1197[2017-12-01 06:00:33] <rabble_bot> ^ German White Woman Completes Her ‘Transition’ Into a Black Woman
1198[2017-12-01 06:00:38] <RandomCouch> white people have sinned a lot
1199[2017-12-01 06:00:43] <KiwlJazz> just like I'm at a loss for words
1200[2017-12-01 06:00:48] <KiwlJazz> for Sammy Sosa turning white
1201[2017-12-01 06:01:09] <Reader> once you go black you never come back
1202[2017-12-01 06:01:16] <Reader> zapster wants to keep the white supremacy alive though
1203[2017-12-01 06:01:33] <Reader> has said that its just a lie that white girls fall more for black guys these days.
1204[2017-12-01 06:02:10] <RandomCouch> I once dated a black girl, she seemed to have a good time, paid for her food and shit, then she's like "I gtg home working tomorrow" so I'm like that's cool, drop her off, I get back home and the cunt unmatched me
1205[2017-12-01 06:02:12] <KiwlJazz> She went on the Maury show too
1206[2017-12-01 06:02:13] <Reader> https://pics.me.me/once-you-go-black-rump-2017-obama-😂😂😂😂-onceyougoblack-obama-13163922.png
1207[2017-12-01 06:02:15] <Reader> proof
1208[2017-12-01 06:02:24] <Reader> RandomCouch, see that image, I just provided the proof
1209[2017-12-01 06:02:56] <RandomCouch> lel
1210[2017-12-01 06:03:15] <KiwlJazz> well what kind of food was it?
1211[2017-12-01 06:03:25] <RandomCouch> idk she took some vegetarian shit
1212[2017-12-01 06:03:28] <Reader> BBC probably
1213[2017-12-01 06:03:35] <RandomCouch> she was from nigeria
1214[2017-12-01 06:03:48] <KiwlJazz> Maybe you were too nice and not enough Matt Lauer
1215[2017-12-01 06:04:02] <RandomCouch> funny thing is, I was trying to have fun conversations with her
1216[2017-12-01 06:04:02] <KiwlJazz> i dunno
1217[2017-12-01 06:04:08] <RandomCouch> but she kept sidetracking into talking about how white people suck
1218[2017-12-01 06:04:37] <zapster> HomieX, is it as racist as it sounds? 
1219[2017-12-01 06:04:41] <KiwlJazz> African people...thats....different
1220[2017-12-01 06:04:52] <zapster> white people do suck 
1221[2017-12-01 06:04:57] <zapster> just look around :\
1222[2017-12-01 06:05:00] <RandomCouch> they suck pretty good though
1223[2017-12-01 06:05:07] <HomieX> Funny how out of all the people who have been outed as sexual predators at work .. none are black! 
1224[2017-12-01 06:05:07] <zapster> oh brother lol
1225[2017-12-01 06:05:10] <RandomCouch> clearly black people don't suck cause that bitch gave no action
1226[2017-12-01 06:05:11] <KiwlJazz> MOvie i did enjoy was Django
1227[2017-12-01 06:05:14] <RandomCouch> just instant unmatch
1228[2017-12-01 06:05:17] <RandomCouch> whereas white girls
1229[2017-12-01 06:05:17] <HomieX> zap: I didn't find it racist 
1230[2017-12-01 06:05:17] <zapster> bill cosby
1231[2017-12-01 06:05:22] <RandomCouch> they'll give you the succ no prob
1232[2017-12-01 06:05:22] <zapster> hell, he was the first
1233[2017-12-01 06:05:25] <KiwlJazz> i got the satire in that and thought Quentin Tarentino was genius
1234[2017-12-01 06:05:34] <KiwlJazz> others found it offensive for some reason
1235[2017-12-01 06:05:41] <HomieX> I'm sure the alt-Reich crowd will hate it 
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1238[2017-12-01 06:05:48] <zapster> it's a power thing tho. some males of any sort will take advantage if they can
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1241[2017-12-01 06:06:11] <HomieX> Yeah, Bill Cosby ... the only one so far 
1242[2017-12-01 06:06:18] <HomieX> Oh hell .. he's more white than black 
1243[2017-12-01 06:06:25] <HomieX> ;)
1244[2017-12-01 06:06:35] <zapster> fewer blacks reach that sort of power, so proportion alone can account for that 
1245[2017-12-01 06:06:42] <RandomCouch> so you SEEE... PUDDINNNG
1246[2017-12-01 06:06:46] <KiwlJazz> Bill Cosby isn't....white in away per say...but hes.....
1247[2017-12-01 06:06:49] <RandomCouch> </billCosby>
1248[2017-12-01 06:06:53] <HomieX> LOL
1249[2017-12-01 06:07:14] <HomieX> Bill Cosby raped RandomCouch with a Jello Puddin' Pop 
1250[2017-12-01 06:07:16] <KiwlJazz> he believes in respectability politics
1251[2017-12-01 06:07:19] <RandomCouch> hahaha
1252[2017-12-01 06:07:21] <RandomCouch> mMMM
1253[2017-12-01 06:07:28] <KiwlJazz> and not helpful to a lot of people
1254[2017-12-01 06:07:31] <Reader> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/30/why-im-no-longer-talking-to-white-people-about-race
1255[2017-12-01 06:07:32] <rabble_bot> ^ Why I’m no longer talking to white people about race | World news | The Guardian
1256[2017-12-01 06:07:42] <RandomCouch> ZIP ZOP ZOOBITY POP
1257[2017-12-01 06:07:51] <HomieX> After seeing that movie I don't trust white people anymore 
1258[2017-12-01 06:07:55] <HomieX> and I'm white!
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1261[2017-12-01 06:08:03] <RandomCouch> I don't trust people in general
1262[2017-12-01 06:08:06] <RandomCouch> until I do
1263[2017-12-01 06:08:10] <zapster> just look at politicians :)
1264[2017-12-01 06:08:13] <KiwlJazz> Bill Cosby belongs some where with Alan Keys, Ben Carson
1265[2017-12-01 06:08:17] <KiwlJazz> and Clarence Thomas
1266[2017-12-01 06:08:21] <zapster> yeah
1267[2017-12-01 06:08:32] <zapster> this is definitely not a race phenom
1268[2017-12-01 06:08:35] <RandomCouch> Some people been talking about this "spic-nig" cycle
1269[2017-12-01 06:08:36] <zapster> it's a guy thing
1270[2017-12-01 06:08:40] <zapster> guys and power
1271[2017-12-01 06:08:41] <RandomCouch> anyone have a clue about that shit?
1272[2017-12-01 06:08:53] <zapster> never heard of it
1273[2017-12-01 06:09:01] <RandomCouch> I haven't either until someone on IRC mentionned it
1274[2017-12-01 06:09:06] <Nelluk> sounds like racist pseudo science
1275[2017-12-01 06:09:07] — zapster doesn't dip into the racist cesspools
1276[2017-12-01 06:09:07] <RandomCouch> was clearly a very racist person
1277[2017-12-01 06:09:16] <KiwlJazz> well i dunno theres...i dunno if what all guys do is bad or not
1278[2017-12-01 06:09:27] <KiwlJazz> what COsby did was so....sociopathic shit
1279[2017-12-01 06:09:29] <RandomCouch> but like, racist with contempt
1280[2017-12-01 06:09:30] <KiwlJazz> drugging people
1281[2017-12-01 06:09:43] <zapster> "all" never applies to anything, really. 
1282[2017-12-01 06:09:46] <KiwlJazz> he took non consent to a whole nother level
1283[2017-12-01 06:09:53] <zapster> yeah that was especially criminal 
1284[2017-12-01 06:10:12] <zapster> tho lots of guys try it. my daughter used to catch them at it all the time when bartending
1285[2017-12-01 06:10:22] <RandomCouch> damn
1286[2017-12-01 06:10:25] <KiwlJazz> I asked earlier about the Conyers situation like i read the article the woman said he asked her to satisfy him sexually
1287[2017-12-01 06:10:31] <KiwlJazz> and told her to touch his penis
1288[2017-12-01 06:10:53] <KiwlJazz> but i'm like...well did she do it or not....could she have just said no
1289[2017-12-01 06:10:59] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8bAHb4yVko
1290[2017-12-01 06:10:59] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - The Secrets Donald Trump Doesn't Want You to Know About: Business, Finance, Marketing :: Duration: 52:52
1291[2017-12-01 06:11:14] <KiwlJazz> but Nancy Pelosi done turned on him
1292[2017-12-01 06:11:23] <KiwlJazz> Paul Ryan joined in said he resigned
1293[2017-12-01 06:11:29] <KiwlJazz> he said he won't run for reelection
1294[2017-12-01 06:11:41] <Nelluk> i dont think he actually made that announcement
1295[2017-12-01 06:12:02] <RandomCouch> I think a lot of the sexual harrassment cases are legit, but I have no doubt that some may exagerate claims just to get something out of it
1296[2017-12-01 06:12:16] <KiwlJazz> i could see him making that announcement....what else he going to say
1297[2017-12-01 06:12:19] <RandomCouch> it's not unthinkable that people do shit like that for any type of gain
1298[2017-12-01 06:12:47] <KiwlJazz> well at this rate its taking out people in power and public positions
1299[2017-12-01 06:13:00] <Nelluk> it was reported that he would make that announcement but then he went to the hospital
1300[2017-12-01 06:13:09] <RandomCouch> don't they receive some sort of money from lawsuits 
1301[2017-12-01 06:13:17] <RandomCouch> from the person who allegedly harrassed them
1302[2017-12-01 06:13:47] <Nelluk> if a settlement is reached
1303[2017-12-01 06:13:51] <zapster> KiwlJazz, re conyers... the issue is power. simply "asking", if the guy holds your job in his hands, is still coercion
1304[2017-12-01 06:14:00] <zapster> do you say no and risk losing it? 
1305[2017-12-01 06:14:10] <RandomCouch> I would
1306[2017-12-01 06:14:16] <RandomCouch> if that's how my jobs going to be
1307[2017-12-01 06:14:17] <zapster> if you have children, you don't
1308[2017-12-01 06:14:17] <RandomCouch> fuck that
1309[2017-12-01 06:14:25] <Nelluk> i think the idea that people make false accusations in order to get financial gain is a distraction.. ust noise. im sure it happens sometimes, but it pales in comparison to the actual problem of sexual harassment that lets people skate by
1310[2017-12-01 06:14:25] <RandomCouch> well if I get fired for saying no
1311[2017-12-01 06:14:35] <RandomCouch> then I'll go public about it
1312[2017-12-01 06:14:40] <zapster> you can't. because a guy like conyers can also destroy your reputation in your field
1313[2017-12-01 06:14:49] <zapster> you can find yourself unable to get another job
1314[2017-12-01 06:14:55] <KiwlJazz> yeah...i get that but the way doesn't really give details about what happened either way
1315[2017-12-01 06:15:07] <RandomCouch> zapster, but then his reputation got destroyed
1316[2017-12-01 06:15:08] <Reader> https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/why-women-want-to-fuck-bad-boys
1317[2017-12-01 06:15:09] <rabble_bot> ^ Why Women Want to Fuck Bad Boys - Broadly
1318[2017-12-01 06:15:12] <RandomCouch> because it was made public
1319[2017-12-01 06:15:19] <zapster> many women have done that and been treated like they're crazy by the media too
1320[2017-12-01 06:15:32] <KiwlJazz> well there were allegations before
1321[2017-12-01 06:15:39] <Nelluk> it takes more than one person deciding to lie to destroy the reputation of a public figure
1322[2017-12-01 06:15:52] <RandomCouch> what's the difference between saying yes, and then going public about it, or saying no and then going public about it?
1323[2017-12-01 06:15:53] <zapster> gotta realize how pervasive power and sexism is. the powerful, the rich, tend to be believed over a woman that is seen as desperate or crazy or gold-digging 
1324[2017-12-01 06:16:15] <schwizz> well when they pick trophy wifes
1325[2017-12-01 06:16:17] <zapster> which means that the rich guy is rarely challenged 
1326[2017-12-01 06:16:20] <schwizz> thats what they are dealing with
1327[2017-12-01 06:16:28] <KiwlJazz> well if he resigns
1328[2017-12-01 06:16:29] <schwizz> trophy wives know they are trophies
1329[2017-12-01 06:16:33] <zapster> right. so why are they defended for it? 
1330[2017-12-01 06:16:35] <KiwlJazz> Franken should too
1331[2017-12-01 06:16:45] <zapster> they pick 'em. presumably they're smart enough to know better 
1332[2017-12-01 06:17:04] <schwizz> women marry for money and stability men for looks when give then choice
1333[2017-12-01 06:17:07] <RandomCouch> You mean like those women who claimed donald trump raped them?
1334[2017-12-01 06:17:21] <zapster> not when women are able to make as much as men. 
1335[2017-12-01 06:17:26] <zapster> then that problem disappears
1336[2017-12-01 06:17:33] <RandomCouch> whatever the case is, man or woman, if you are reporting a crime without any evidence then it's never easy to take you seriously
1337[2017-12-01 06:17:37] <zapster> which is why we need more affirmative action and equality
1338[2017-12-01 06:17:51] <schwizz> weve come a long way atleast
1339[2017-12-01 06:17:54] <RandomCouch> if you have evidence of your claims
1340[2017-12-01 06:17:58] <zapster> that too. they are quite careful to make sure there are no witnesses or evidence
1341[2017-12-01 06:17:58] <schwizz> compared to when i was younger
1342[2017-12-01 06:17:59] <RandomCouch> then your word is worth as much as your evidence
1343[2017-12-01 06:18:04] <schwizz> women are basically equal now
1344[2017-12-01 06:18:07] <schwizz> not so much back then
1345[2017-12-01 06:18:08] <zapster> and they can easily silence witnesses
1346[2017-12-01 06:18:12] <zapster> false schwizz
1347[2017-12-01 06:18:14] <zapster> not even close
1348[2017-12-01 06:18:14] <Nelluk> Breaking: Michael Flynn to plead guilty to charges from Mueller
1349[2017-12-01 06:18:32] <zapster> charges about rigging elections? 
1350[2017-12-01 06:18:36] <KiwlJazz> how come i never heard of this San Francisco Pier Shooting case till yesterday
1351[2017-12-01 06:18:44] <zapster> or just the usual sleaze that DC is full of? 
1352[2017-12-01 06:18:58] <KiwlJazz> now all these people on my FB talking about "We need to build that wall"
1353[2017-12-01 06:18:58] <schwizz> its way different actually
1354[2017-12-01 06:19:00] <zapster> iono. it's been around
1355[2017-12-01 06:19:09] <schwizz> i see it socially, in the work place
1356[2017-12-01 06:19:23] <zapster> right. we have hundreds of thousands of shootings by residents, and one by an immigrant
1357[2017-12-01 06:19:30] <zapster> OMG!!!! HYSTERIA!!!!
1358[2017-12-01 06:19:35] <RandomCouch> This is the first time I hear of this San Francisco Pier Shooting
1359[2017-12-01 06:19:40] <KiwlJazz> from what i read it seem like an accident
1360[2017-12-01 06:19:41] <RandomCouch> gonna go check it out now
1361[2017-12-01 06:19:43] <zapster> happened ages ago
1362[2017-12-01 06:19:49] <KiwlJazz> the bullet richochet off some shit and hit the lady
1363[2017-12-01 06:19:52] <schwizz> what is news worthy is the result
1364[2017-12-01 06:19:53] <zapster> it was
1365[2017-12-01 06:19:54] <KiwlJazz> like he didn't even aim or point it
1366[2017-12-01 06:19:59] <zapster> not even intentional
1367[2017-12-01 06:20:04] <KiwlJazz> so it wasn't criminal or intended murder in any way
1368[2017-12-01 06:20:11] <KiwlJazz> but people upset he got off
1369[2017-12-01 06:20:12] <zapster> political shit
1370[2017-12-01 06:20:14] <schwizz> its still criminal
1371[2017-12-01 06:20:16] <KiwlJazz> cause hes mexican
1372[2017-12-01 06:20:18] <schwizz> even if its an accident
1373[2017-12-01 06:20:20] <zapster> no it's not
1374[2017-12-01 06:20:20] <schwizz> lol
1375[2017-12-01 06:20:21] <humbot> HIS REPUTATION WAS DESTROYED
1376[2017-12-01 06:20:23] <KiwlJazz> OH GOD
1377[2017-12-01 06:20:29] <KiwlJazz> with your understanding of law
1378[2017-12-01 06:20:31] <KiwlJazz> no
1379[2017-12-01 06:20:33] <zapster> so how come they let all the white guys off that do that? 
1380[2017-12-01 06:20:35] <schwizz> yes it is you dont have ot have to try to do what you do
1381[2017-12-01 06:20:37] <zapster> if it's criminal?
1382[2017-12-01 06:20:38] <schwizz> to make it illegal
1383[2017-12-01 06:20:43] <schwizz> its not only about intent
1384[2017-12-01 06:20:46] <RandomCouch> he shot a gun in public?
1385[2017-12-01 06:20:48] <RandomCouch> if so that is a crime
1386[2017-12-01 06:21:02] <KiwlJazz> ...
1387[2017-12-01 06:21:02] <zapster> yeah well, white guys that do that don't go to jail either. 
1388[2017-12-01 06:21:07] <zapster> it's not very criminal
1389[2017-12-01 06:21:12] <schwizz> its still a homicide
1390[2017-12-01 06:21:13] <zapster> usually it's a misdemeanor
1391[2017-12-01 06:21:14] <RandomCouch> it's a public risk
1392[2017-12-01 06:21:15] <schwizz> and still criminal lol
1393[2017-12-01 06:21:18] <zapster> no it isn't
1394[2017-12-01 06:21:21] <rabble_bot> News from wsparade: Tax Plan Deceptions Come Under Scrutiny by Inspector General <http://wallstreetonparade.com/2017/12/tax-plan-deceptions-come-under-scrutiny-by-inspector-general/>
1395[2017-12-01 06:21:22] <KiwlJazz> so because he problem some bullshit law
1396[2017-12-01 06:21:26] <schwizz> misdemeanor is criminal
1397[2017-12-01 06:21:29] <zapster> ah, so all the white guys should go to prison immediately.
1398[2017-12-01 06:21:30] <RandomCouch> regardless of laws
1399[2017-12-01 06:21:31] <KiwlJazz> because hes illegal or fired a gun in public
1400[2017-12-01 06:21:31] <schwizz> damn you are stupid
1401[2017-12-01 06:21:34] <RandomCouch> if you shoot a gun in public
1402[2017-12-01 06:21:36] <KiwlJazz> America needs to build a whole fucking wall
1403[2017-12-01 06:21:36] <RandomCouch> it is a public risk.
1404[2017-12-01 06:21:38] <RandomCouch> that is a fact
1405[2017-12-01 06:21:40] <KiwlJazz> between us and mexico
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1407[2017-12-01 06:21:53] <KiwlJazz> this is the catalyst and justification for a wall
1408[2017-12-01 06:21:56] <zapster> I'm not tolerating adhoms 
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1410[2017-12-01 06:22:05] <HomieX> America needs to end the war on drugs 
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1413[2017-12-01 06:22:09] <RandomCouch> I'm not saying it means we should build a wall, idc if he's mexican or white
1414[2017-12-01 06:22:11] <schwizz> no adhoms here dont worry
1415[2017-12-01 06:22:11] <zapster> defend your argument, don't insult people
1416[2017-12-01 06:22:17] <RandomCouch> I'm just saying it's a public risk to shoot your gun out in public lol
1417[2017-12-01 06:22:20] <RandomCouch> no matter where you aim it
1418[2017-12-01 06:22:20] <zapster> you just did
1419[2017-12-01 06:22:28] <HomieX> Treat addiction as a medical issue not a legal issue 
1420[2017-12-01 06:22:32] <schwizz> nope
1421[2017-12-01 06:22:39] <KiwlJazz> ..well it is certainlt motivating the pro build a wall demographic
1422[2017-12-01 06:22:40] <KiwlJazz> out there
1423[2017-12-01 06:22:49] <zapster> it is, RandomCouch, but normally it's a misdemeanor 
1424[2017-12-01 06:23:02] <KiwlJazz> America must have dropped 20 IQ points
1425[2017-12-01 06:23:03] <zapster> and iirc, he didn't shoot it intentionally either 
1426[2017-12-01 06:23:17] <RandomCouch> well yeah.. accidents happen I get that
1427[2017-12-01 06:23:18] <schwizz> doesnt matter though
1428[2017-12-01 06:23:19] <schwizz> neglegence
1429[2017-12-01 06:23:25] <schwizz> doesnt matter oyur intent
1430[2017-12-01 06:23:28] <schwizz> in criminal law
1431[2017-12-01 06:23:31] <RandomCouch> but someone died from that accident no?
1432[2017-12-01 06:23:31] <KiwlJazz> from what I read...said he saw the gun under a park bench it was wrapped up in a T-shirt
1433[2017-12-01 06:23:32] <zapster> which also is not a major crime 
1434[2017-12-01 06:23:38] <KiwlJazz> he picked it up and it accidently went off
1435[2017-12-01 06:23:39] <schwizz> and all misdemeanors are criminal
1436[2017-12-01 06:23:43] <schwizz> thats the definition
1437[2017-12-01 06:23:46] <zapster> because if it was, they'd have prisons full of white guys 
1438[2017-12-01 06:24:13] <KiwlJazz> but yeah hes a MExican immigrant who has crossed the border 5 times
1439[2017-12-01 06:24:15] <RandomCouch> because non whites don't do misdemeanors?
1440[2017-12-01 06:24:17] <schwizz> Misdemeanors are more serious than infractions. They are usually defined as a crime which is punishable by up to a year in jail time. Sometimes that jail time is served in a local county jail instead of a high security prison.
1441[2017-12-01 06:24:27] <KiwlJazz> and been sent back to Mexico 5 times...hes persistant cause he keeps comming back
1442[2017-12-01 06:24:36] <schwizz> law 101
1443[2017-12-01 06:24:52] <schwizz> Involuntary manslaughter. Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought, either expressed or implied. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention.
1444[2017-12-01 06:25:07] <schwizz> and yes you can get charged with a crime if you accidentally kill someone
1445[2017-12-01 06:25:14] <schwizz> its called ^
1446[2017-12-01 06:25:18] <humbot> not the same crime though
1447[2017-12-01 06:25:28] <humbot> intent does matter
1448[2017-12-01 06:25:30] <KiwlJazz> he shouldn't serve any jail time
1449[2017-12-01 06:25:35] <humbot> any way you spell it
1450[2017-12-01 06:25:35] <KiwlJazz> he should be free to go
1451[2017-12-01 06:25:45] <schwizz> It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention.
1452[2017-12-01 06:26:01] <schwizz> intention does not mattter in involuuntary manslaughter criminal charges
1453[2017-12-01 06:26:07] <RandomCouch> Wait did he illegaly cross the border 5 times?
1454[2017-12-01 06:26:10] <schwizz> it never has
1455[2017-12-01 06:26:12] <schwizz> this is not new
1456[2017-12-01 06:26:26] <schwizz> intent is not required to get charged with a crime
1457[2017-12-01 06:26:36] <zapster> https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills/status/923582558486650880
1458[2017-12-01 06:26:37] <rabble_bot> ^ PatrioticMillionaire on Twitter: "Patriotic Millionaires statement on the just-passed @GOP budget #TaxtheRich https://t.co/In6pKWQ7fn"
1459[2017-12-01 06:26:49] <KiwlJazz> Well the DA who tried the case
1460[2017-12-01 06:26:51] <schwizz> its also illegal to discharge a firearm like that
1461[2017-12-01 06:26:53] <KiwlJazz> wanted to try him for Murder 1
1462[2017-12-01 06:26:53] <RandomCouch> ^ Sometimes it could be a lack of attention, for example you run someone over with your car cause you weren't looking
1463[2017-12-01 06:26:57] <schwizz> its also neglence
1464[2017-12-01 06:26:58] <zapster> 90% of them are only fined tho. 
1465[2017-12-01 06:27:00] <RandomCouch> it's an accident, you didn't intend it, but its still your fault
1466[2017-12-01 06:27:00] <schwizz> reckless endangerment
1467[2017-12-01 06:27:03] <RandomCouch> for not paying attention
1468[2017-12-01 06:27:11] <schwizz> thers many laws that were broken
1469[2017-12-01 06:27:25] <schwizz> accidnents dont remove responsibility
1470[2017-12-01 06:27:29] <RandomCouch> agreed
1471[2017-12-01 06:27:33] <KiwlJazz> Think it was tried as 2nd degree murder
1472[2017-12-01 06:27:34] <zapster> they deported him right? 
1473[2017-12-01 06:27:37] <rabble_bot> News from amcon: Miss Nora Takes Washington <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/nora-washington-npr/>
1474[2017-12-01 06:27:45] <schwizz> if oyu accidently wreck at 150 mph drunk and kill a bunch of kid
1475[2017-12-01 06:27:50] <KiwlJazz> zap not yet but i imagine thats will be the outcome eventually
1476[2017-12-01 06:27:51] <schwizz> it doesnt matter that it was an accident
1477[2017-12-01 06:27:53] <RandomCouch> zapster, idk if deporting is a sufficient punishment tbh he should at least serve some jail time
1478[2017-12-01 06:27:54] <schwizz> its still criminal
1479[2017-12-01 06:27:54] <zapster> driving drunk is a felony
1480[2017-12-01 06:28:05] <schwizz> its accidental
1481[2017-12-01 06:28:09] <schwizz> it can be argued
1482[2017-12-01 06:28:09] <KiwlJazz> well the DA tried the case is dumb as a rocks
1483[2017-12-01 06:28:10] <schwizz> sure
1484[2017-12-01 06:28:16] <RandomCouch> my friend's brother served jail time for running over a drunk man who jumped in his way while driving
1485[2017-12-01 06:28:21] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Jimmy Fallon's Ratings Are Slipping Because He's Too Nice To Trump <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/jimmy-fallons-ratings-are-slipping-because>
1486[2017-12-01 06:28:22] <RandomCouch> he was paying attention
1487[2017-12-01 06:28:22] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Chris Hayes Reminds Lindsey Graham Who Called Trump 'A Kook' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/chris-hayes-reminds-lindsey-graham-who>
1488[2017-12-01 06:28:26] <RandomCouch> but still
1489[2017-12-01 06:28:27] <schwizz> discharging a weapon in public recklessly is probbaly a felony too, that has nothing to do with it though
1490[2017-12-01 06:28:28] <schwizz> lol
1491[2017-12-01 06:28:56] <zapster> or maybe they're jsut gonna keep him on ICE forever instead. same outcome. lol 
1492[2017-12-01 06:28:56] <zapster> avoids diplomatic problems lol
1493[2017-12-01 06:29:27] <HomieX> You know whats weird about the USA?
1494[2017-12-01 06:29:36] <RandomCouch> why did he even have his hand on his gun
1495[2017-12-01 06:29:38] <RandomCouch> out in public
1496[2017-12-01 06:29:44] <schwizz> why did he have a gun?
1497[2017-12-01 06:29:47] <RandomCouch> and why was the safety off
1498[2017-12-01 06:29:47] <schwizz> is he a citizen?
1499[2017-12-01 06:29:49] <KiwlJazz> he picked it up from under a park bench
1500[2017-12-01 06:29:50] <RandomCouch> and yes, why did he have a gun
1501[2017-12-01 06:29:52] <zapster> yeah, driving is a real crapshoot. cops regard drivers as prey 
1502[2017-12-01 06:30:00] <schwizz> how did he lawfully obtain the gun in the firs tplace?
1503[2017-12-01 06:30:01] <KiwlJazz> i dunno if the gun was his or not
1504[2017-12-01 06:30:05] <schwizz> that was probably the first crime
1505[2017-12-01 06:30:13] <KiwlJazz> but he said the gun was wrapped up in t-shirt
1506[2017-12-01 06:30:17] <KiwlJazz> from what i read
1507[2017-12-01 06:30:21] <RandomCouch> lol
1508[2017-12-01 06:30:29] <RandomCouch> "I saw the gun so I picked it up, put my finger on the trigger"
1509[2017-12-01 06:30:29] <KiwlJazz> weather he knew the gun was in there that I can't tell you
1510[2017-12-01 06:30:34] <zapster> so it fired before he knew it was a gun? 
1511[2017-12-01 06:30:38] <HomieX> For some reason when there are elections the law seems to take a back seat. Like if someone lies about you in order to destroy you that is slander and you can be sued over it .. unless that person is the candidate you're running against. 
1512[2017-12-01 06:30:57] <zapster> yeah
1513[2017-12-01 06:30:59] <HomieX> then you get lie your ass off 
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1515[2017-12-01 06:31:17] <schwizz> yah public figures arent prrotected by our law
1516[2017-12-01 06:31:21] <schwizz> its not just politicians
1517[2017-12-01 06:31:27] <RandomCouch> This charade of dishonesty is a threat to democracy
1518[2017-12-01 06:31:32] <schwizz> its kinda of what you are up against if you are public figure
1519[2017-12-01 06:31:38] <RandomCouch> Trump is only worsening it
1520[2017-12-01 06:31:41] <schwizz> one of the downsides to it
1521[2017-12-01 06:31:44] <zapster> https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills/status/936584658917232640
1522[2017-12-01 06:31:45] <rabble_bot> ^ PatrioticMillionaire on Twitter: "Out here w/ @prosperitynow saying no to this #GOPTaxScam. We can NOT afford to escalate #inequality anymore #PeoplesFilibuster #NotOnePenny https://t.co/aPFEt502QB"
1523[2017-12-01 06:31:51] <zapster> when even rich guys are protesting...
1524[2017-12-01 06:31:55] <HomieX> Kind of strange since we call ourselves a democracy and elections are the time when candidates try to get their ideas out to the public 
1525[2017-12-01 06:32:04] <RandomCouch> him and ajit pai just constantly lying to everybody without any hesitation
1526[2017-12-01 06:32:10] <schwizz> informed poeple dont call it democracy
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1529[2017-12-01 06:32:15] <HomieX> So how is the public supposed to make a good decision when all they are getting is lies?
1530[2017-12-01 06:32:21] <KiwlJazz> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/12/01/kate-steinle-case-trump-infuriated-as-jury-acquits-illegal-immigrant-charged-in-san-francisco-killing/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_with_top_mostshared_2_na-amp&utm_term=.4f95c777d3bb
1531[2017-12-01 06:32:22] <rabble_bot> ^ Kate Steinle case: Trump in Twitter fury as jury acquits illegal immigrant charged in San Francisco killing - The Washington Post
1532[2017-12-01 06:32:25] <zapster> https://twitter.com/SenatorDurbin/status/936408278451523584
1533[2017-12-01 06:32:26] <rabble_bot> ^ Senator Dick Durbin on Twitter: "It's still not over. Senate Republicans will be trying again tomorrow morning to pass a bill that hasn't been written. #GOPTaxScam"
1534[2017-12-01 06:32:40] <RandomCouch> HomieX, they don't lol... the proof is that Trump is president
1535[2017-12-01 06:32:45] <HomieX> Yeah 
1536[2017-12-01 06:32:47] <zapster> https://twitter.com/greenhousenyt/status/936382689313263616
1537[2017-12-01 06:32:49] <rabble_bot> ^ Steven Greenhouse on Twitter: "In case you missed it >> Senate Democrats offered an amendment to require corporations to use their tax savings to increase employee wages a… https://t.co/QgL3KcAHEp"
1538[2017-12-01 06:32:55] <HomieX> "Lock her up!" 
1539[2017-12-01 06:33:02] <zapster> every republican voted against it
1540[2017-12-01 06:33:05] <zapster> fuck you workers
1541[2017-12-01 06:33:17] <HomieX> Billionaires need a tax cut! 
1542[2017-12-01 06:33:18] <schwizz> thast a silly bill though
1543[2017-12-01 06:33:29] <schwizz> you shouldnt force companies and tell them how to use their money
1544[2017-12-01 06:33:30] <schwizz> thats just silly
1545[2017-12-01 06:33:34] <schwizz> doenst work
1546[2017-12-01 06:33:58] <schwizz> the gov isnt the best decision maker in how much to pay people
1547[2017-12-01 06:34:02] <schwizz> or how to investigate profits
1548[2017-12-01 06:34:08] <HomieX> Well one part of the economy will be stimulated by this tax bill ... yachts, expensive cars
1549[2017-12-01 06:34:11] <schwizz> leave that to the private business, the gov has no say
1550[2017-12-01 06:34:19] <HomieX> Expensive houses maybe 
1551[2017-12-01 06:34:19] <schwizz> of course no one supported that
1552[2017-12-01 06:34:24] <schwizz> its a stupid idea
1553[2017-12-01 06:34:34] <HomieX> Nothing that affects normal working people 
1554[2017-12-01 06:34:40] <schwizz> short sighted
1555[2017-12-01 06:35:23] <humbot> what is a tax saving ?
1556[2017-12-01 06:35:32] <schwizz> who knows 
1557[2017-12-01 06:35:33] <HomieX> You gotta be a real CHUMP to believe tax breaks for the rich will create jobs 
1558[2017-12-01 06:35:35] <schwizz> even the term is flawed
1559[2017-12-01 06:35:37] <schwizz> you dont save on taxes
1560[2017-12-01 06:35:43] <HomieX> Only one thing creates jobs, increased DEMAND 
1561[2017-12-01 06:35:46] <HomieX> That's it
1562[2017-12-01 06:35:47] <schwizz> another reason it should fail
1563[2017-12-01 06:35:51] <schwizz> the language doesnt even make sense
1564[2017-12-01 06:36:23] <HomieX> They know this, it's a means to an end .. and the end is the elimination of the welfare state 
1565[2017-12-01 06:36:26] <humbot> so its a tax cut
1566[2017-12-01 06:36:27] <schwizz> how woudl you even cacluate that, youd have to create an entire new arm of gov lol
1567[2017-12-01 06:36:32] <zapster> Like I said... https://twitter.com/thehill/status/936381600157327360
1568[2017-12-01 06:36:34] <rabble_bot> ^ The Hill on Twitter: "Government report: Senate GOP tax bill won't produce enough growth to pay for itself https://t.co/NHgj0QMAMh https://t.co/xYPbUdCx3d"
1569[2017-12-01 06:36:45] <schwizz> what is a tax saving, they change every year and are extremely complex
1570[2017-12-01 06:36:54] <schwizz> it would require all this gov spending just to regulate
1571[2017-12-01 06:36:54] <humbot> these are tax cuts whose benefit could be passed on to workers
1572[2017-12-01 06:37:19] <schwizz> thats easy
1573[2017-12-01 06:37:22] <schwizz> reduce the workers taxes
1574[2017-12-01 06:37:22] <zapster> the best possible tax cut that *would* produce growth, is to eliminate the payroll tax
1575[2017-12-01 06:37:25] <schwizz> if oyu want to help the worker
1576[2017-12-01 06:37:29] <schwizz> dont do some stupid end around
1577[2017-12-01 06:37:32] <zapster> but they aren't doing that
1578[2017-12-01 06:37:33] <humbot> HAHA
1579[2017-12-01 06:37:35] <schwizz> trying to reduce coorporate taxes
1580[2017-12-01 06:37:40] <schwizz> then force them to pay poeple more
1581[2017-12-01 06:37:42] <humbot> HAHAHAHA
1582[2017-12-01 06:37:44] <schwizz> thats going to happen
1583[2017-12-01 06:37:50] <humbot> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
1584[2017-12-01 06:37:52] <RandomCouch> zapster, eliminate income tax?
1585[2017-12-01 06:37:54] <schwizz> if you want more disposible income
1586[2017-12-01 06:37:56] <schwizz> you lower taxes
1587[2017-12-01 06:38:02] <zapster> the corps are sitting on record profits now and aren't using them to promote growth
1588[2017-12-01 06:38:06] <zapster> so that won't help
1589[2017-12-01 06:38:08] <schwizz> then find out why
1590[2017-12-01 06:38:09] <schwizz> and fix that
1591[2017-12-01 06:38:11] <schwizz> not force them
1592[2017-12-01 06:38:14] <schwizz> thatll never work
1593[2017-12-01 06:38:16] <zapster> eliminate the payroll tax portion of it. it's unnecessary
1594[2017-12-01 06:38:18] <schwizz> incentivize them
1595[2017-12-01 06:38:29] <zapster> you can't fix it 
1596[2017-12-01 06:38:33] <schwizz> sure you can
1597[2017-12-01 06:38:34] <HomieX> How about eliminating federal taxes for people who make less than $75K? (married couples $150K) 
1598[2017-12-01 06:38:41] <RandomCouch> I don't think I know what the payroll tax portion is... maybe I'm not well informed or maybe it's different here in Canada
1599[2017-12-01 06:38:46] <HomieX> That would stimulate the economy like bonkers 
1600[2017-12-01 06:38:49] <schwizz> when its profitible , thats what theyll do
1601[2017-12-01 06:38:50] <zapster> not without funding the real economy you can't
1602[2017-12-01 06:38:52] <schwizz> its really simple
1603[2017-12-01 06:38:59] <schwizz> they are profit driven
1604[2017-12-01 06:39:07] <HomieX> then make up for it by taxing corporations and teh wealthy more 
1605[2017-12-01 06:39:10] <schwizz> so you make it in ther profit interests to do sometihng
1606[2017-12-01 06:39:11] <schwizz> and they will
1607[2017-12-01 06:39:15] <zapster> the fix is to repeal the ceo pay incentive loophole
1608[2017-12-01 06:39:20] <zapster> they aren't gonna do that either
1609[2017-12-01 06:39:22] <KiwlJazz> hopefully Susain Collins says no
1610[2017-12-01 06:39:32] <schwizz> if a company can make more money by hiring and paying peopel more
1611[2017-12-01 06:39:33] <schwizz> they will
1612[2017-12-01 06:39:37] <schwizz> its natural
1613[2017-12-01 06:39:40] <zapster> and raise the capital gains tax
1614[2017-12-01 06:39:50] <zapster> and the top marginal tax rate so there's no incentive to hoard
1615[2017-12-01 06:39:52] <schwizz> businesses must grow or die
1616[2017-12-01 06:40:04] <zapster> that's why they're dying. all of the above
1617[2017-12-01 06:40:08] <KiwlJazz> fuck businesses
1618[2017-12-01 06:40:12] <HomieX> Max income: $500 million 
1619[2017-12-01 06:40:14] <KiwlJazz> only thing matters is jobs
1620[2017-12-01 06:40:19] <KiwlJazz> jobs for the sake of jobs
1621[2017-12-01 06:40:23] <schwizz> business comes before job
1622[2017-12-01 06:40:24] <zapster> the customers can't afford to buy because they don't have money because it's all going to the top who don't pay any taxes on it 
1623[2017-12-01 06:40:29] <HomieX> anything over that is taxed 100%
1624[2017-12-01 06:40:44] <schwizz> but then you are killing jobs
1625[2017-12-01 06:40:53] <schwizz> someone is making money working for the high earners
1626[2017-12-01 06:40:54] <zapster> businesses are buying back stock to raise their stock prices. they aren't creating jobs
1627[2017-12-01 06:41:05] <zapster> because there are tax incentives to do so
1628[2017-12-01 06:41:10] <schwizz> whether its thee goods and services that 500 million+ guy is buying
1629[2017-12-01 06:41:17] <HomieX> Yeah that's what they'll do with the tax cuts, buy back more stock
1630[2017-12-01 06:41:21] <KiwlJazz> there are more clients or well their could potentially be more clients
1631[2017-12-01 06:41:21] <schwizz> people benefit by the big spenders too
1632[2017-12-01 06:41:22] <zapster> repeal those, and raise the tax on unearned income, and they'll have to go back to *earning* it insead
1633[2017-12-01 06:41:26] <KiwlJazz> in the world beyond the top 5%
1634[2017-12-01 06:42:13] <zapster> https://twitter.com/amprog/status/936325923841986560
1635[2017-12-01 06:42:14] <rabble_bot> ^ American Progress on Twitter: "Here's what you need to know about corporate contributions...and corporate tax cuts https://t.co/5qcv4PNnvM"
1636[2017-12-01 06:42:23] <KiwlJazz> Zap did you see the LA Times article on Mexican housing crisis
1637[2017-12-01 06:42:25] <schwizz> the less taxes they collect, the less theyll use exherting military dominance all over the place
1638[2017-12-01 06:42:32] <schwizz> thats really the only way to real in that
1639[2017-12-01 06:42:36] <schwizz> give the gov less money
1640[2017-12-01 06:42:40] <HomieX> Apple and other corporations are sitting on a mountain of cash 
1641[2017-12-01 06:42:48] <schwizz> stop funding all the crappy shit they do in the world by cutting it out
1642[2017-12-01 06:42:54] <zapster> funny, the return on investment in bribes to  congress is less than the bribes lol 
1643[2017-12-01 06:42:56] <HomieX> The new Apple HQ is larger than the Pentagon 
1644[2017-12-01 06:43:09] <humbot> are you all just shouting into the void ?
1645[2017-12-01 06:43:14] <raijin> yes
1646[2017-12-01 06:43:20] <humbot> (:
1647[2017-12-01 06:43:24] <zapster> schwizz, the pentagon is exempt from the budget. 
1648[2017-12-01 06:43:25] <raijin> that's the only thing that happens in this chan
1649[2017-12-01 06:43:26] <humbot> carry on !
1650[2017-12-01 06:43:38] <zapster> they just print it. cutting taxes has no effect on it 
1651[2017-12-01 06:43:48] <raijin> this is why I don't discuss politics, humbot
1652[2017-12-01 06:43:57] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtVr9C_2HI
1653[2017-12-01 06:43:58] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Apple Spaceship - Largest Office Building on Earth :: Duration: 04:40
1654[2017-12-01 06:44:00] <schwizz> well change that
1655[2017-12-01 06:44:00] <zapster> they can print whatever they want for whatever we need, in reality. they just use deficit fearmongering to cut *us* 
1656[2017-12-01 06:44:01] <schwizz> thats  problem
1657[2017-12-01 06:44:02] <zapster> never war 
1658[2017-12-01 06:44:05] <raijin> I'm here to be a corny comical distraction
1659[2017-12-01 06:44:07] <schwizz> you cant have exempt parts of the budget
1660[2017-12-01 06:44:12] <KiwlJazz> http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-mexico-housing/
1661[2017-12-01 06:44:13] <rabble_bot> ^ A failed vision - Mexico's Housing Debacle - Los Angeles Times
1662[2017-12-01 06:44:14] <schwizz> that cant ever work
1663[2017-12-01 06:44:18] <schwizz> which is what we have had
1664[2017-12-01 06:44:29] <schwizz> the pentagon cant even account for what it spends
1665[2017-12-01 06:44:35] <zapster> they can actually, and always have
1666[2017-12-01 06:44:36] <schwizz> thats the root of cleaning hta tup
1667[2017-12-01 06:44:38] <zapster> nothing new there.
1668[2017-12-01 06:44:41] <schwizz> well no in hearings
1669[2017-12-01 06:44:44] <zapster> they just tell us lies about it 
1670[2017-12-01 06:44:47] <schwizz> they basically say they cant be auditted
1671[2017-12-01 06:44:49] <KiwlJazz> http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-mexico-housing-chapter-2/
1672[2017-12-01 06:44:50] <rabble_bot> ^ The Homex story: A boom and a bust - Mexico's Housing Debacle - Los Angeles Times
1673[2017-12-01 06:44:52] <schwizz> because the paper trails dont exist
1674[2017-12-01 06:44:59] <KiwlJazz> http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-mexico-housing-chapter-3/
1675[2017-12-01 06:45:00] <rabble_bot> ^ The whistleblower - Mexico's Housing Debacle - Los Angeles Times
1676[2017-12-01 06:45:10] <schwizz> so demand that the gov has half the standards of private business
1677[2017-12-01 06:45:13] <zapster> https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills/status/936364879388315649
1678[2017-12-01 06:45:14] <KiwlJazz> http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-mexico-housing-chapter-4/
1679[2017-12-01 06:45:14] <schwizz> and we dont have this problem
1680[2017-12-01 06:45:15] <rabble_bot> ^ PatrioticMillionaire on Twitter: "@EricaPayneAP "It's actually obscene. You stole my money, and I'm gonna give you more money to give my money back""
1681[2017-12-01 06:45:15] <zapster> heh
1682[2017-12-01 06:45:15] <rabble_bot> ^ A subprime horror - Mexico's Housing Debacle - Los Angeles Times
1683[2017-12-01 06:45:24] <KiwlJazz> http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-mexico-housing-chapter-5/
1684[2017-12-01 06:45:24] <rabble_bot> ^ What it's like to live in 325 square feet - Mexico's Housing Debacle - Los Angeles Times
1685[2017-12-01 06:45:35] <zapster> that leads to a gov that can't do anything about criminal business. 
1686[2017-12-01 06:45:39] <zapster> which is what we've already done
1687[2017-12-01 06:45:42] <zapster> captured gov. 
1688[2017-12-01 06:45:48] <schwizz> the gov is in the cimrinal business
1689[2017-12-01 06:45:52] <zapster> gov needs to  be larger than the sector it's supposed to regulate
1690[2017-12-01 06:45:54] <schwizz> we are trying to reduce that funding
1691[2017-12-01 06:45:57] <raijin> the 512 sq ft building I worked on would be fine for a small family
1692[2017-12-01 06:46:00] <schwizz> and make the funding accountable
1693[2017-12-01 06:46:10] <schwizz> its already too large
1694[2017-12-01 06:46:13] <schwizz> and thats why we cant audit it
1695[2017-12-01 06:46:14] <zapster> but 'reducing that funding' doesn't work when the criminals are all billionaires
1696[2017-12-01 06:46:23] <zapster> you have to reduce their funding. 
1697[2017-12-01 06:46:30] <KiwlJazz> Raijin yeah only problem is in Mexico they build a lot of shitty housing stock
1698[2017-12-01 06:46:30] <schwizz> no you reduce their ability to lobby
1699[2017-12-01 06:46:32] <zapster> which is what taxes are for
1700[2017-12-01 06:46:38] <zapster> hahahaha
1701[2017-12-01 06:46:38] <schwizz> you cant cap who has power
1702[2017-12-01 06:46:38] <KiwlJazz> small tiny places that are not fit for family
1703[2017-12-01 06:46:39] <schwizz> and who makes what
1704[2017-12-01 06:46:42] <schwizz> thats not possible
1705[2017-12-01 06:46:47] <KiwlJazz> it was shitty housing policy on governments part
1706[2017-12-01 06:46:51] <zapster> right, so you say this american is allowed to lobby and that one isn't?
1707[2017-12-01 06:46:51] <schwizz> they ddont all live hte USA for one
1708[2017-12-01 06:46:53] <zapster> that'll fly
1709[2017-12-01 06:47:06] <KiwlJazz> and they built so much housing in the past 17 years...the shit is falling apart already
1710[2017-12-01 06:47:11] <schwizz> no im syaing it hsould be transparent for one
1711[2017-12-01 06:47:11] <KiwlJazz> how poorly it was built
1712[2017-12-01 06:47:20] <schwizz> and take hte money out of politics all together
1713[2017-12-01 06:47:21] <schwizz> sure
1714[2017-12-01 06:47:28] <zapster> https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills/status/936364563993366528 <-- from the people that know that very very well 
1715[2017-12-01 06:47:29] <rabble_bot> ^ PatrioticMillionaire on Twitter: "Let's be real: jobs aren't going overseas because of the tax rate. 35% may seem high, but almost NO large corporations pay even close to tha… https://t.co/J31x6GuApf"
1716[2017-12-01 06:47:30] <schwizz> make it volunteer work llol
1717[2017-12-01 06:47:32] <schwizz> pay them nothing
1718[2017-12-01 06:47:32] <KiwlJazz> wholes streets wash away...people have no sewage or water or electricty even
1719[2017-12-01 06:48:03] <schwizz> just need a new system of smaller gov that has moree checks and balance
1720[2017-12-01 06:48:06] <KiwlJazz> company built all the housing in Mexico went bankrupt...would start projects and not finish them
1721[2017-12-01 06:48:08] <zapster> https://twitter.com/LifeMeetData/status/935555784372621313
1722[2017-12-01 06:48:10] <rabble_bot> ^ LifeMeetData on Twitter: "CALCULATOR: Tax Cuts, You vs. the Very Wealthy https://t.co/7mBU3VoFVd https://t.co/dajH28fpAk"
1723[2017-12-01 06:48:15] <schwizz> thats more true to the original founding fathers
1724[2017-12-01 06:48:15] <KiwlJazz> SEC in America charged em with fraud
1725[2017-12-01 06:48:28] <zapster> neat. if you're median income, the tax cut will cost you more than $500 a year 
1726[2017-12-01 06:48:29] <KiwlJazz> whole thing is a shit fest
1727[2017-12-01 06:48:38] <schwizz> the founding fathers knew all about trying to keep gov small and out of peoples lives
1728[2017-12-01 06:48:47] <schwizz> its gotten way out of control
1729[2017-12-01 06:48:59] <boz> schwizz: they were british men, traitors to britain
1730[2017-12-01 06:49:02] <KiwlJazz> all of em are dead now
1731[2017-12-01 06:49:05] <zapster> and it's never worked yet. all it does is lead to crime
1732[2017-12-01 06:49:21] <KiwlJazz> country wasn't even 1/10 the population it is now
1733[2017-12-01 06:49:23] <zapster> the more we've cut taxes and government, the worse crime has gotten. 
1734[2017-12-01 06:49:24] <KiwlJazz> when they were alive
1735[2017-12-01 06:50:41] <zapster> https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills/status/936332772075102213
1736[2017-12-01 06:50:42] <rabble_bot> ^ PatrioticMillionaire on Twitter: ""Economic inequality for women is a huge weakness for our nation, and the GOP proposed tax plans in the US House and Senate could turn that… https://t.co/pMRpsM11b7"
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1738[2017-12-01 06:50:51] <troy_cambridge> actually the constitution was a strengthening of government because tyhe Articles of Confederation didn't work
1739[2017-12-01 06:51:02] <zapster> right.
1740[2017-12-01 06:51:12] <zapster> our constitution was written for property owners
1741[2017-12-01 06:51:16] <zapster> originally
1742[2017-12-01 06:51:28] <zapster> no one else need apply
1743[2017-12-01 06:51:32] <KiwlJazz> Federalizing everything was a easy way to pay off Revolutionary War debt
1744[2017-12-01 06:51:49] <troy_cambridge> It was.  But that wasn't their only interest.
1745[2017-12-01 06:52:18] <zapster> this one is especially ironic: 
1746[2017-12-01 06:52:20] <zapster> https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills/status/936327761727295488
1747[2017-12-01 06:52:21] <rabble_bot> ^ PatrioticMillionaire on Twitter: "Republicans consistently claim to support vets- so why are they attacking the GI bill in their #TaxScam? https://t.co/hUneQ0mPq8"
1748[2017-12-01 06:52:47] <troy_cambridge> We will see if this tax reform goes anywhere.
1749[2017-12-01 06:53:05] <zapster> https://twitter.com/EconomicPolicy/status/936316150333485058
1750[2017-12-01 06:53:06] <rabble_bot> ^ Economic Policy Institute on Twitter: "No serious lawmaker should support the Senate tax bill, writes former U.S. treasury secretary Robert E. Rubin for @washingtonpost.… https://t.co/WEZ62kIeGe"
1751[2017-12-01 06:53:14] <troy_cambridge> The republican leadership was atempting to portray it as some sort of an inevitability.
1752[2017-12-01 06:54:09] <schwizz> it owuld have been nice if we took trumps ideas
1753[2017-12-01 06:54:09] <humbot> one day i hope to breathe or eat a molecule which was part of Nusrat
1754[2017-12-01 06:54:16] <schwizz> reduce it to one or two pages
1755[2017-12-01 06:54:20] <zapster> https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills/status/936609175349661701
1756[2017-12-01 06:54:21] <rabble_bot> ^ PatrioticMillionaire on Twitter: "Senators @RonJohnsonWI and @SteveDaines have sold out the American people by falling behind the party line #TaxScam"
1757[2017-12-01 06:54:33] <zapster> ugh
1758[2017-12-01 06:54:34] <KiwlJazz> Troy well it looks bad
1759[2017-12-01 06:54:38] <KiwlJazz> very very bad
1760[2017-12-01 06:54:38] <zapster> the fucker is gonna pass
1761[2017-12-01 06:54:45] <schwizz> whats funny is all these people yelling abotu taxes, not having a clue
1762[2017-12-01 06:54:52] <schwizz> and probably not contacting any representatives
1763[2017-12-01 06:55:06] <schwizz> they are just bitching on twitter as theyy do nothing that actuallly matters to fight it
1764[2017-12-01 06:55:07] <schwizz> haha
1765[2017-12-01 06:55:07] <RandomCouch> Can someone explain to me what this tax reform will do exactly
1766[2017-12-01 06:55:12] <schwizz> kepe it up and go nowhere
1767[2017-12-01 06:55:17] <schwizz> and itlll get passed
1768[2017-12-01 06:55:30] <RandomCouch> I hear claims that the lower and middle class will suffer the most from it
1769[2017-12-01 06:55:43] <zapster> https://twitter.com/TwitterMoments/status/936604224254889984
1770[2017-12-01 06:55:43] <schwizz> yah but its always some strang combination of different bills
1771[2017-12-01 06:55:45] <rabble_bot> ^ Twitter Moments on Twitter: "Trump's former national security frontman Michael Flynn has been charged with making false statements to the FBI about contact with Russia's… https://t.co/1K6nFivOho"
1772[2017-12-01 06:55:47] <schwizz> and hidden information
1773[2017-12-01 06:55:47] <zapster> so once again, nothing real.
1774[2017-12-01 06:55:52] <schwizz> well if we combined all three proposals
1775[2017-12-01 06:55:55] <zapster> just theater
1776[2017-12-01 06:55:56] <schwizz> and twist it make it sound bad
1777[2017-12-01 06:56:01] <schwizz> we can make this dynamic chart
1778[2017-12-01 06:56:07] <schwizz> that no one can see how we got there
1779[2017-12-01 06:56:11] <rabble_bot> News from nakedcap: Japan’s Tight Labor Market Generates Deflation… <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/japans-tight-labour-market-generates-deflation.html>
1780[2017-12-01 06:56:13] <schwizz> and thats what itll do to your taxes lOL
1781[2017-12-01 06:56:19] <schwizz> if oyu belive those things you are duped
1782[2017-12-01 06:57:01] <schwizz> the reality will probably be itll get passed, and people will benefit
1783[2017-12-01 06:57:10] <schwizz> just like hte left was wrong about the stock market impact of trump
1784[2017-12-01 06:57:12] <schwizz> and GDP
1785[2017-12-01 06:57:14] <schwizz> and tourism
1786[2017-12-01 06:57:23] <schwizz> and almost eveyrthing they run in fear of
1787[2017-12-01 06:57:26] <schwizz> they get wrong
1788[2017-12-01 06:57:31] <RandomCouch> from what I remember the elections elevated the US dollar
1789[2017-12-01 06:57:34] <schwizz> they thought trump was a nazi
1790[2017-12-01 06:57:34] <schwizz> wrong
1791[2017-12-01 06:57:41] <schwizz> they thought trump couldnt win
1792[2017-12-01 06:57:41] <schwizz> wrong
1793[2017-12-01 06:57:46] <boz> schwizz: actually stock market's about to take a downturn. vanguard is warning their customers
1794[2017-12-01 06:57:50] <schwizz> what ddid these peopel get righ tabout trump/
1795[2017-12-01 06:57:56] <boz> and they have $4.5tn under mgmt
1796[2017-12-01 06:58:01] <KiwlJazz> i think elections in this country are suspended
1797[2017-12-01 06:58:06] <schwizz> not much, so do you really beleive all the doom and gloom baout tax reform they are wrong about too?
1798[2017-12-01 06:58:14] <RandomCouch> schwizz,  that he has one of the biggest egos around?
1799[2017-12-01 06:58:19] <RandomCouch> no one was wrong about that one
1800[2017-12-01 06:58:34] <troy_cambridge> Breaking News:  Flynn to plead guilty to lying to the FBI
1801[2017-12-01 06:58:36] <RandomCouch> That he's a twitter clown?
1802[2017-12-01 06:58:40] <RandomCouch> fact
1803[2017-12-01 06:58:42] <schwizz> yah the stock markert has been about to take a down turn since the bubble never corrected
1804[2017-12-01 06:58:49] <schwizz> its only probably because of trump it hasnted happened yet
1805[2017-12-01 06:59:00] <schwizz> it never fully corrected in 2009
1806[2017-12-01 06:59:02] <schwizz> we are still in bubbles
1807[2017-12-01 06:59:12] <schwizz> thats been known, but not talked about that much in MSM
1808[2017-12-01 06:59:12] <KiwlJazz> and its only a matter of time before Hitler announces i mean Trump anounces his own Enabling Act
1809[2017-12-01 06:59:20] <KiwlJazz> and says he Fuhrer i mean President
1810[2017-12-01 06:59:23] <KiwlJazz> indefinantly
1811[2017-12-01 06:59:24] <schwizz> you hope
1812[2017-12-01 06:59:30] <boz> RandomCouch: he was told his tweets count as official presidential statements. trump is undisputed king of clown car statements
1813[2017-12-01 06:59:33] <KiwlJazz> I don't hope...
1814[2017-12-01 06:59:33] <schwizz> because otherwise you have to admit you were entirely wrong
1815[2017-12-01 06:59:36] <schwizz> and trump isnt a nazi
1816[2017-12-01 06:59:40] <schwizz> which is more likely true
1817[2017-12-01 06:59:44] <KiwlJazz> but its only logic i see out of passing this tax bill
1818[2017-12-01 06:59:44] <boz> schwizz: you're a nazi
1819[2017-12-01 06:59:48] <KiwlJazz> which logically
1820[2017-12-01 06:59:53] <KiwlJazz> should ensure no one is reelected
1821[2017-12-01 06:59:53] <RandomCouch> lol
1822[2017-12-01 06:59:53] <schwizz> a guy thats never done anything nazi
1823[2017-12-01 06:59:55] <KiwlJazz> wel the GOP
1824[2017-12-01 07:00:01] <schwizz> and isnt currently doing anything nazi
1825[2017-12-01 07:00:04] <schwizz> you cant keep up the lie forever
1826[2017-12-01 07:00:11] <KiwlJazz> thats the only way they could pass such trollery
1827[2017-12-01 07:00:18] <RandomCouch> He's not a nazi
1828[2017-12-01 07:00:18] <Elegrant> you're a nutsy
1829[2017-12-01 07:00:18] <KiwlJazz> is to be like...well fuck elections
1830[2017-12-01 07:00:21] <schwizz> sooner or later people are just going to be like, um hes not a nazi or racist
1831[2017-12-01 07:00:23] <RandomCouch> but he is at least a little racist
1832[2017-12-01 07:00:30] <humbot> he's pretty nazi too
1833[2017-12-01 07:00:32] <RandomCouch> He is also a very indecent man.
1834[2017-12-01 07:00:32] <schwizz> like eventually he has to do something to actuallly support that
1835[2017-12-01 07:00:37] <schwizz> which you guys have nothing
1836[2017-12-01 07:00:37] <humbot> most people can tell that
1837[2017-12-01 07:00:41] <RandomCouch> idk if you see how he acts out in public
1838[2017-12-01 07:00:43] <RandomCouch> pushes people out of his way
1839[2017-12-01 07:00:44] <KiwlJazz> Trump is nothing with in the norms
1840[2017-12-01 07:00:47] <KiwlJazz> of most politicians
1841[2017-12-01 07:00:48] <RandomCouch> because he thinks he's too important
1842[2017-12-01 07:00:50] <KiwlJazz> except Trolls
1843[2017-12-01 07:00:59] <schwizz> hes a master a business
1844[2017-12-01 07:01:03] <KiwlJazz> Trump belongs in a class with assholes like Tom Tancredo and Steve King
1845[2017-12-01 07:01:07] <KiwlJazz> who are racist
1846[2017-12-01 07:01:09] <schwizz> not politics
1847[2017-12-01 07:01:14] <zapster> https://twitter.com/TwitterMoments/status/936604224254889984
1848[2017-12-01 07:01:15] <rabble_bot> ^ Twitter Moments on Twitter: "Trump's former national security frontman Michael Flynn has been charged with making false statements to the FBI about contact with Russia's… https://t.co/1K6nFivOho"
1849[2017-12-01 07:01:20] <zapster> oops
1850[2017-12-01 07:01:21] <schwizz> you have to consider evertying he does from that perspective
1851[2017-12-01 07:01:23] <RandomCouch> he's a master at getting a loan of a million dollars
1852[2017-12-01 07:01:25] <schwizz> and it makes a lot sense
1853[2017-12-01 07:01:31] <zapster> https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/936610924101820416
1854[2017-12-01 07:01:32] <rabble_bot> ^ Topher Spiro on Twitter: "This means COLLINS is not locked in. JAM HER PHONES WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT. #mepolitics Share => 202-224-2523 https://t.co/AzmkfWeNxo"
1855[2017-12-01 07:01:43] <schwizz> against theres still no russian collusion
1856[2017-12-01 07:01:43] <RandomCouch> a master of being born with a silver spoon up his butt
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1859[2017-12-01 07:01:53] <schwizz> no evidence yet
1860[2017-12-01 07:01:54] <RandomCouch> suddenly he believes he is a great man
1861[2017-12-01 07:02:03] <schwizz> i guess they think they should keep looking and waisting tax dollars
1862[2017-12-01 07:02:05] <zapster> if they wanted to, the fbi could gather up half the people in DC on that charge. :\
1863[2017-12-01 07:02:13] <zapster> it's completely meaningless
1864[2017-12-01 07:02:15] <schwizz> yah  because its political
1865[2017-12-01 07:02:22] <schwizz> mueller is bad
1866[2017-12-01 07:02:27] <schwizz> he was in the clintons pockets
1867[2017-12-01 07:02:32] <schwizz> he was  part of ukrainium 1
1868[2017-12-01 07:02:38] <zapster> it doesn't support the supposed goal of the investigation 
1869[2017-12-01 07:02:41] <schwizz> hes not fit to be investigating this
1870[2017-12-01 07:02:42] <schwizz> at all
1871[2017-12-01 07:02:47] <zapster> which also turns out to be a nothnig-burger, so far 
1872[2017-12-01 07:02:51] <schwizz> hes compomised himself
1873[2017-12-01 07:03:07] <zapster> since it took a 3 agencies and a dozens of people to approve it
1874[2017-12-01 07:03:12] <zapster> they aren't arresting all of them
1875[2017-12-01 07:03:37] <rabble_bot> News from inthstimes: Alaska Grassroots Alliance Aim To Melt GOP’s Cold Cold Heart <http://inthesetimes.com/article/20721/Alaska-taxes-GOP-Republican-Lisa-Murkowski-Oil-Drilling/>
1876[2017-12-01 07:03:44] <zapster> I doubt he actually did. public officials meet with foreign officials constantly. 
1877[2017-12-01 07:03:58] <humbot> trump is a terrified troll
1878[2017-12-01 07:04:29] <RandomCouch> and the fact he is president is terrifying
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1882[2017-12-01 07:05:40] <zapster> https://twitter.com/StephanieKelton/status/935903902461054976
1883[2017-12-01 07:05:42] <rabble_bot> ^ Stephanie Kelton on Twitter: "Suppose this thing passes. Does anyone really believe Congress would fail to massively fund new defense spending in order to go war? https://t.co/gu7cmjqlbX"
1884[2017-12-01 07:06:03] <zapster> they're well aware of the reality that gov can fund anything it wants to. they just don't want *us* to know that. 
1885[2017-12-01 07:07:37] <zapster> https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/936610132758351872
1886[2017-12-01 07:07:38] <rabble_bot> ^ Mark Sleboda on Twitter: "This is #priceless. Still drives the NeoMcCarthyites nuts.OMFG they met PUTIN! Light up the witchfires! Sling some ropes over yon trees. Ge… https://t.co/E69OpTKqgv"
1887[2017-12-01 07:07:39] <zapster> heh
1888[2017-12-01 07:07:43] <zapster> indeed
1889[2017-12-01 07:08:43] <RandomCouch> I have hope in people. I believe that when shit gets bad people will stand and fight for what is right (for the majority)
1890[2017-12-01 07:09:19] <RandomCouch> but right now people are just not knowing what to think
1891[2017-12-01 07:09:21] <RandomCouch> what side to be on
1892[2017-12-01 07:09:25] <RandomCouch> there's no cooperation
1893[2017-12-01 07:11:07] <CosmicWitch_> Zarate is innocent!
1894[2017-12-01 07:11:47] <CosmicWitch_> https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/936394803474063361
1895[2017-12-01 07:11:49] <rabble_bot> ^ Fox News on Twitter: "BREAKING: Jurors found Jose Ines Garcia Zarate not guilty in the murder trial of Kate Steinle, who was shot to death on Pier 14 in San Franc… https://t.co/a7oHig8uO6"
1896[2017-12-01 07:11:57] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: How Putting Tom Cotton at the CIA Could Endanger the Innocent Families of Suspected Terrorists <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/tom-cotton-cia-family-terrorist-trump/>
1897[2017-12-01 07:13:59] <zapster> https://www.rt.com/usa/411574-washington-millennials-politics-party/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS
1898[2017-12-01 07:14:00] <rabble_bot> ^ Washington wake-up call? ‘Generation Y’ calls for 3rd-party political choice — RT US News
1899[2017-12-01 07:14:04] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKuhELHthe8
1900[2017-12-01 07:14:05] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Bernie Makes Moves Hinting At 2020 Run :: Duration: 13:42
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1903[2017-12-01 07:14:51] <RandomCouch> lol
1904[2017-12-01 07:15:04] <zapster> mccarthyism is the biggest danger to our civil liberties 
1905[2017-12-01 07:15:04] <RandomCouch> I'm interested to know who else would run in 2020
1906[2017-12-01 07:15:20] <RandomCouch> Do you think Trump would get re-elected for a second term?
1907[2017-12-01 07:15:25] <HomieX> LOL
1908[2017-12-01 07:15:26] <RandomCouch> Assuming he doesn't get impeached before that
1909[2017-12-01 07:15:27] <zapster> there's quite a list somewhere. Mike Norman is planning to
1910[2017-12-01 07:15:31] <zapster> I'd vote for him too lol
1911[2017-12-01 07:15:46] <zapster> but Bernie is still my top pick
1912[2017-12-01 07:16:03] <HomieX> Trump will lead us to ruin 
1913[2017-12-01 07:16:32] <HomieX> He must be impeached 
1914[2017-12-01 07:17:18] <RandomCouch> lol.. I mean, there's been so much against him
1915[2017-12-01 07:17:20] <RandomCouch> yet he still stands
1916[2017-12-01 07:17:38] <RandomCouch> he's done so much dumb shit, and yet... still prezident, that means he'll have to do even dumber shit
1917[2017-12-01 07:17:49] <RandomCouch> and even then idk how tolerant the law is going to be on him
1918[2017-12-01 07:17:58] <troy_cambridge> Flynn may be Trump's Howard Dean.
1919[2017-12-01 07:18:45] <zapster> oooh.. this will be worth watching: http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=20587
1920[2017-12-01 07:18:46] <rabble_bot> ^ Real Media: Worker Union Takes Fight to Universities
1921[2017-12-01 07:19:37] <HomieX> Always look for the union label 
1922[2017-12-01 07:19:39] <zapster> judicial corruption: http://therealnews.com/t2/story:20611:Protests-Erupt-as-Honduras-Presidential-Election-Results-Reversed
1923[2017-12-01 07:19:40] <rabble_bot> ^ Protests Erupt as Honduras Presidential Election Results Reversed
1924[2017-12-01 07:20:21] <zapster> Since then, though, the Electoral Council suspiciously interrupted the vote count twice and when it restarted, President Hernandez had caught up with Nasralla and is now leading with just under 1% of the vote.
1925[2017-12-01 07:20:23] <zapster> or maybe not
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1927[2017-12-01 07:25:01] <zapster> http://therealnews.com/t2/story:20566:Why-Did-the-United-States-So-Enthusiastically-Support-the-Yeltsin-Administration%3F
1928[2017-12-01 07:25:02] <rabble_bot> ^ Why Did the United States So Enthusiastically Support the Yeltsin Administration?
1929[2017-12-01 07:26:49] <HomieX> zapster is totally SHREDDING IT! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flexjPNTePg
1930[2017-12-01 07:26:50] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - One of the most amazing riffs and solo ever :: Duration: 01:23
1931[2017-12-01 07:27:29] <zapster> lol, I wish
1932[2017-12-01 07:27:44] <RandomCouch> lol
1933[2017-12-01 07:27:55] <RandomCouch> zapster the lead guitarist in a death metal band
1934[2017-12-01 07:29:57] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: WalMart Pulls T-Shirt Advocating For Journalist Lynchings <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/walmart-pulls-t-shirt-advocating>
1935[2017-12-01 07:29:58] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: MIKE DROP: Flynn Pleads Guilty Today To Lying To FBI <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/mike-drop-flynn-pleads-guilty-today-lying>
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1937[2017-12-01 07:32:30] <zapster> he describes the clinton administration as 'the most inexperienced he ever saw' 
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1940[2017-12-01 07:32:47] <zapster> being kinder than I would be
1941[2017-12-01 07:33:53] <RandomCouch> Why can't we just live under one world goverment which is a dictatorship, but the dictator is an AI machine?
1942[2017-12-01 07:33:54] <HomieX> I say we elect Bernie in 2020 and if it turns out he is another phony then we storm the white house and government buildings and install the dictatorship of the proletariat 
1943[2017-12-01 07:33:56] <RandomCouch> Life would be so much better
1944[2017-12-01 07:34:01] <RandomCouch> if humans were all equally slaves
1945[2017-12-01 07:34:30] <zapster> an accurate comment:
1946[2017-12-01 07:34:32] <zapster> I find it remarkable that Wilkerson does not mention the economic considerations when he was asked why the US eas supporting Yeltsin. Following the policy suggestions of US neoliberals, many from Harvard, Russia implimented neoliberal policies which resulted in state owned property being privatized resulting in the formation of oligarchs while bypassing the Duma. It is in this period that workers were not paid, life expectancy drops 
1947[2017-12-01 07:34:32] <zapster> and the oligarchs are searching for ways of getting their money out of the Russia into tax haven, investment in foreign real estate ( Trump's connection ) and even instituting a flat tax. It was the wild west. And Wilkerson would have us believe that financial considerations were not considered!
1948[2017-12-01 07:34:49] <zapster> who programs the AI? :{)
1949[2017-12-01 07:35:19] <RandomCouch> No one
1950[2017-12-01 07:35:22] <RandomCouch> it programs itself
1951[2017-12-01 07:35:45] <RandomCouch> That's the power of self learning machines
1952[2017-12-01 07:36:24] <RandomCouch> a machine wouldn't be capable of non-simulated emotions. It would only consider facts.
1953[2017-12-01 07:36:38] <RandomCouch> therefore there would be no bias in it's decisions
1954[2017-12-01 07:36:59] <HomieX> Just like RoboCop!
1955[2017-12-01 07:37:00] <zapster> http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=20550
1956[2017-12-01 07:37:01] <rabble_bot> ^ Overthrowing Assad and the Neoconservative Agenda in Syria
1957[2017-12-01 07:37:02] <RandomCouch> No no
1958[2017-12-01 07:37:05] <RandomCouch> robocop was human
1959[2017-12-01 07:37:10] <RandomCouch> he was then transformed into a cyborg
1960[2017-12-01 07:37:12] <RandomCouch> he isn't full machine
1961[2017-12-01 07:37:21] <zapster> AI, like human minds, still requires some basic principles 
1962[2017-12-01 07:37:29] <zapster> whoever sets those up determines how it learns 
1963[2017-12-01 07:37:30] <RandomCouch> AI is nothing like human minds
1964[2017-12-01 07:37:53] <RandomCouch> AI doesn't waste time in thoughts
1965[2017-12-01 07:37:57] <zapster> it's created by human minds. it's unavoidable
1966[2017-12-01 07:38:31] <zapster> talk about a way to hide backdoors ;)
1967[2017-12-01 07:38:31] <RandomCouch> Sure, but what I'm saying is human minds are more advanced, and cannot make anything as advanced as human minds. But this is not necessarily an advantage over an AI mind
1968[2017-12-01 07:38:41] <RandomCouch> the complexity of the human mind drives a lot of the wrongs in the world
1969[2017-12-01 07:38:49] <RandomCouch> hence why a more simplistic AI mind is better suited to elad
1970[2017-12-01 07:38:50] <RandomCouch> lead*
1971[2017-12-01 07:38:59] <zapster> *snrk* 
1972[2017-12-01 07:39:07] <zapster> just leads to humans gaming the system 
1973[2017-12-01 07:39:16] <RandomCouch> make it strict
1974[2017-12-01 07:39:17] <RandomCouch> like I said
1975[2017-12-01 07:39:20] <RandomCouch> dictatorship
1976[2017-12-01 07:39:30] <RandomCouch> fuck people trying to game the system, death.
1977[2017-12-01 07:39:41] <RandomCouch> make an example out of them, no one will dare try that shit again
1978[2017-12-01 07:39:43] <zapster> it would be unable to handle the complexity 
1979[2017-12-01 07:39:51] <RandomCouch> it won't need to.
1980[2017-12-01 07:39:56] <RandomCouch> The complexity will not be considered
1981[2017-12-01 07:40:02] <RandomCouch> it would be black and white.
1982[2017-12-01 07:40:14] <zapster> and if it's that 'objective'.. what's to stop it from decreeing that troublesome populations simply be exterminated? 
1983[2017-12-01 07:40:23] <RandomCouch> You did this? idc why, I only care that you did this, therefore you get the appropriate punishment for the action done
1984[2017-12-01 07:40:25] <RandomCouch> that's that
1985[2017-12-01 07:40:32] <zapster> black and white thinking is the origin of most evil lol 
1986[2017-12-01 07:40:36] <RandomCouch> zapster, nothing. And if it does then so be it.
1987[2017-12-01 07:40:43] <zapster> gah. no thanks.
1988[2017-12-01 07:40:57] <RandomCouch> freedom is a problem
1989[2017-12-01 07:41:00] <RandomCouch> to other people's freedom
1990[2017-12-01 07:41:04] <RandomCouch> so the solution is to not have freedom.
1991[2017-12-01 07:41:07] <zapster> no it's not, really. 
1992[2017-12-01 07:41:51] <RandomCouch> "I'm jealous of those other people who seem to have more freedom than me, so I will be a problematic person until I feel I have the freedom I deserve"
1993[2017-12-01 07:42:01] <RandomCouch> an attitude you often see
1994[2017-12-01 07:42:20] <zapster> and why shouldn't they have that freedom? 
1995[2017-12-01 07:42:55] <RandomCouch> because they don't know what to do with it. rarely put it to good use, people are selfish by nature
1996[2017-12-01 07:43:09] <zapster> oh? and..so? 
1997[2017-12-01 07:43:22] <RandomCouch> so it's not worth the trouble to fight for their freedom
1998[2017-12-01 07:43:42] <zapster> why not? those that have the freedom already don't bother you? 
1999[2017-12-01 07:44:33] <HomieX> Guess what I got coming 
2000[2017-12-01 07:44:34] ⇐ moei quit (~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net): Quit: Leaving...
2001[2017-12-01 07:44:35] <RandomCouch> I'm only bothered by seeing people complain about their first world problems while others in worse situations just do with what they have
2002[2017-12-01 07:44:39] <RandomCouch> and don't complain
2003[2017-12-01 07:44:42] <HomieX> A CD Player! 
2004[2017-12-01 07:44:54] <RandomCouch> people in the west are spoiled.
2005[2017-12-01 07:44:57] <RandomCouch> and don't even realize it
2006[2017-12-01 07:45:05] <RandomCouch> but keep fighting for more
2007[2017-12-01 07:45:09] <RandomCouch> because selfish and greedy
2008[2017-12-01 07:45:12] <HomieX> I got lots of CDs 
2009[2017-12-01 07:45:50] <zapster> lol.. actually, they are complaining.it just isn't covered by our wealthy-owned media 
2010[2017-12-01 07:46:20] <zapster> equality would go a long way toward solving the problem
2011[2017-12-01 07:46:42] <Elegrant> we're spoiled if we accept the horizon of global capitalism and its limitations
2012[2017-12-01 07:46:49] <zapster> indeed
2013[2017-12-01 07:47:00] <Elegrant> but are we truly spoiled in some cosmic, spiritual sense?
2014[2017-12-01 07:47:01] <RandomCouch> but we aren't all equal
2015[2017-12-01 07:47:02] <Elegrant> I'm not so sure
2016[2017-12-01 07:47:11] <RandomCouch> spiritually spoiled? nah
2017[2017-12-01 07:47:13] <RandomCouch> I'm talking about rights
2018[2017-12-01 07:47:14] <zapster> how can you tell? 
2019[2017-12-01 07:47:27] <zapster> since most of the population has no opportunity to prove themselves
2020[2017-12-01 07:47:27] <RandomCouch> zapster, we are genetically not all equal
2021[2017-12-01 07:47:31] <Elegrant> we aren't all equal, but what's your point?
2022[2017-12-01 07:47:34] <zapster> how do you know? 
2023[2017-12-01 07:47:42] <HomieX> https://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=C-7030&class=Compact%20Disc&gclid=Cj0KCQiAmITRBRCSARIsAEOZmr6uH2t1UqW48qNZDGWV2sG5VGm8M0NCqjRwVXvxkq1zzN9jtWAFrisaAlvmEALw_wcB
2024[2017-12-01 07:47:44] <rabble_bot> ^ CD Player | Compact Disc | C-7030 | Onkyo USA
2025[2017-12-01 07:47:49] <HomieX> That's the one I'm getting 
2026[2017-12-01 07:47:53] <RandomCouch> zapster, can you do everythign I can do?
2027[2017-12-01 07:47:54] <zapster> there is likely a great deal more equality than we are ever given the chance to see
2028[2017-12-01 07:47:59] <RandomCouch> or vice versa
2029[2017-12-01 07:48:10] <zapster> very likely I can do more than you can do 
2030[2017-12-01 07:48:19] <RandomCouch> I'm not trying to say I'm better or you're better.
2031[2017-12-01 07:48:21] <zapster> simply because I've done more stuff over a longer life
2032[2017-12-01 07:48:40] <RandomCouch> I'm explaining to you how we are different and not equal
2033[2017-12-01 07:48:55] <zapster> and very likely you would get paid more for the same stuff because you are male
2034[2017-12-01 07:49:01] <zapster> this isn't merit. 
2035[2017-12-01 07:49:05] <RandomCouch> Well, not here at least.
2036[2017-12-01 07:49:08] <zapster> it's prejudice
2037[2017-12-01 07:49:13] <RandomCouch> you'd get paid the same as me here :P
2038[2017-12-01 07:49:20] <zapster> where is here? 
2039[2017-12-01 07:49:26] <RandomCouch> Ottawa, Canada
2040[2017-12-01 07:49:34] <zapster> perhaps then. I don't know
2041[2017-12-01 07:50:24] <applegal> I hope donsld trump can help the poorer country like africa
2042[2017-12-01 07:50:25] <zapster> places with more equality enforced are overall much more successful 
2043[2017-12-01 07:50:34] <RandomCouch> to me a person's merit is based on their mental capacity. Not everyone has the same mental capacity therefore not everyone is equal. Do you treat a child equally to an adult?
2044[2017-12-01 07:50:46] <applegal> donald*
2045[2017-12-01 07:50:59] <zapster> mental capacity starts with children. having deprived childhoods cripples that. 
2046[2017-12-01 07:51:20] <zapster> until all children have equally good childhoods, you can draw no conclusions whatsoever about innate capacity
2047[2017-12-01 07:51:21] <RandomCouch> Yes, and that's sad and all. But still my point stands that we are not all equal.
2048[2017-12-01 07:51:34] <zapster> it's more than sad, it's destructive
2049[2017-12-01 07:51:47] <zapster> it doesn't matter. your position has no evidence. 
2050[2017-12-01 07:51:57] <RandomCouch> You're right it's only based on my opinion
2051[2017-12-01 07:51:57] <CosmicWitch_> https://i.redditmedia.com/wXZFjO7n9L2yqHF2L5dPNY5xdY2yEGeasVsVYAFfpQA.jpg?w=652&s=e72999bcd1735006d648f67cd3b6c9f6
2052[2017-12-01 07:52:03] <RandomCouch> but then again
2053[2017-12-01 07:52:11] <RandomCouch> you can't provide evidence that everyone is equal either
2054[2017-12-01 07:52:26] <zapster> good lord
2055[2017-12-01 07:52:31] <zapster> that's insane
2056[2017-12-01 07:52:54] <RandomCouch> That's clearly a troll
2057[2017-12-01 07:53:02] <applegal> trump should sell off all trump tower and donate it to africa
2058[2017-12-01 07:53:03] <CosmicWitch_> I think a lot of people in this channel are guilty of that
2059[2017-12-01 07:53:09] <zapster> so why not assume the best, fund excellent childhoods, and improve society overall, which *is* proven
2060[2017-12-01 07:53:31] <zapster> or are you simply afraid of competition? 
2061[2017-12-01 07:53:49] <RandomCouch> Of course not
2062[2017-12-01 07:53:55] <HoleySocks> heheh
2063[2017-12-01 07:54:02] <zapster> there are a lot of extremely capable, intelligent people currently prevented from being as fully productive as they could be by policies that allow excessive inequality 
2064[2017-12-01 07:54:20] <RandomCouch> I know, my dad is one of those people zapster 
2065[2017-12-01 07:54:40] <RandomCouch> but these policies don't affect my judgement of ones intellectual capacity
2066[2017-12-01 07:54:48] <RandomCouch> I don't judge them by how much success they have
2067[2017-12-01 07:55:19] <zapster> regardless, it means they have less successful lives than they are capable of
2068[2017-12-01 07:55:26] <zapster> it's profoundly unfair to us all 
2069[2017-12-01 07:55:27] <RandomCouch> Yes, it's unfair for sure
2070[2017-12-01 07:55:40] <zapster> so why defend it+
2071[2017-12-01 07:55:42] <zapster> ?
2072[2017-12-01 07:55:53] <RandomCouch> I'm not defending that. I'm simply saying we are not all equal
2073[2017-12-01 07:56:06] <RandomCouch> Some people are much dumber than average, you can't deny that.
2074[2017-12-01 07:56:14] <zapster> it's indefensible. it deprives all of us of the success we could otherwise enjoy
2075[2017-12-01 07:56:35] <RandomCouch> Ok, let me rephrase, we SHOULD all have equal opportunities
2076[2017-12-01 07:56:37] <RandomCouch> but
2077[2017-12-01 07:56:41] <zapster> but we cannot tell if that is true for any individual unless the have the opportunity to prove it or not 
2078[2017-12-01 07:56:42] <RandomCouch> because we are not all intellectually equal
2079[2017-12-01 07:56:48] <RandomCouch> we will not all have equal outcomes
2080[2017-12-01 07:56:56] <zapster> so it's a monumentally wasteful attitude
2081[2017-12-01 07:57:24] <zapster> because many potentially *are* more intelligent than they are given the chance to demonstrate
2082[2017-12-01 07:57:39] <RandomCouch> zapster, yes we can't tell if that is true for EVERY individual but some have proven to be dumber than the average.
2083[2017-12-01 07:57:45] <RandomCouch> the opposite is true too
2084[2017-12-01 07:57:58] <zapster> and that deprives us all of their output
2085[2017-12-01 07:58:04] <zapster> fine. 
2086[2017-12-01 07:58:15] <applegal> zapster do i sound like a very intelligent person ?
2087[2017-12-01 07:58:17] <zapster> if they aren't given the chance, it's a loss to all. 
2088[2017-12-01 07:58:23] <zapster> no
2089[2017-12-01 07:58:29] <RandomCouch> I'm not saying don't give them a chance
2090[2017-12-01 07:58:34] <RandomCouch> I was never against that
2091[2017-12-01 07:58:41] <zapster> lol.. actually, I don't see enough of you to know. was thinking of RandomCouch 
2092[2017-12-01 07:58:42] <zapster> lol
2093[2017-12-01 07:58:44] — applegal slaps zapster 
2094[2017-12-01 07:58:52] <zapster> didn't mean you, sorry
2095[2017-12-01 07:59:12] <zapster> well then, what is your point, RandomCouch?
2096[2017-12-01 07:59:22] <RandomCouch> my point is we are NOT ALL EQUAL lmao
2097[2017-12-01 07:59:32] <RandomCouch> we SHOULD be given equal opportunities
2098[2017-12-01 07:59:37] <RandomCouch> but we don't all have the same mental capacity
2099[2017-12-01 07:59:46] <RandomCouch> therefore we will not all have the same equal outcomes
2100[2017-12-01 07:59:48] <zapster> and mine is that it doesn't matter. policies of equality will bring more talent to the fore than not having them
2101[2017-12-01 07:59:58] <zapster> and that is a net advantage
2102[2017-12-01 08:00:30] <RandomCouch> Sure, equality of opportunity.
2103[2017-12-01 08:00:31] <HoleySocks> the very notion of equal breaks down as soon as you've moved it though
2104[2017-12-01 08:00:32] <RandomCouch> Not equality of outcome
2105[2017-12-01 08:00:54] <RandomCouch> Give everyone the same chance and opportunities
2106[2017-12-01 08:00:56] <RandomCouch> yes
2107[2017-12-01 08:00:58] <zapster> never said it should. but more equality of outcome is good for the children, who may be more talented than their parents as well 
2108[2017-12-01 08:01:13] <HoleySocks> you're imagining that one scale maps to another
2109[2017-12-01 08:01:38] <zapster> how can you give equality of opportunity if you don't make sure the parents have enough to provide good childhoods to their children? 
2110[2017-12-01 08:01:51] <RandomCouch> That's the parent's job
2111[2017-12-01 08:01:54] <zapster> how do you even *define* equality between people? 
2112[2017-12-01 08:01:57] <RandomCouch> they've been given equal opportunity too
2113[2017-12-01 08:01:59] <RandomCouch> just like everyone
2114[2017-12-01 08:02:00] <zapster> but they can't if they can't get enough money
2115[2017-12-01 08:02:02] <RandomCouch> to care for their children
2116[2017-12-01 08:02:09] <zapster> you're throwing barriers up to them 
2117[2017-12-01 08:02:26] <zapster> the best parents in the world can't give their children the opportunities that the worst *rich* parents can
2118[2017-12-01 08:02:53] <RandomCouch> my parents weren't rich, but my dad worked his ass off and got us from third world country to first world country
2119[2017-12-01 08:02:58] <zapster> which is likely why we we have so many psycho rich people :\
2120[2017-12-01 08:03:01] <RandomCouch> so we can have better opportunities
2121[2017-12-01 08:03:07] <RandomCouch> and then it was up to me
2122[2017-12-01 08:03:11] <RandomCouch> to take that opportunity
2123[2017-12-01 08:03:14] <RandomCouch> and make a good outcome from out
2124[2017-12-01 08:03:16] <RandomCouch> from it*
2125[2017-12-01 08:03:20] <zapster> right. at a time when those opportunities were still available. 
2126[2017-12-01 08:03:22] <rabble_bot> News from demnow: Cities Across the U.S. Join Movement to Impeach President Trump For Violating the Constitution <http://www.democracynow.org/2017/12/1/cities_across_the_us_join_movement>
2127[2017-12-01 08:03:23] <rabble_bot> News from demnow: New Investigation Finds U.S. Special Forces Massacred Somali Civilians & Orchestrated a Cover-Up <http://www.democracynow.org/2017/12/1/new_investigation_finds_us_special_forces>
2128[2017-12-01 08:03:24] <rabble_bot> News from demnow: GOP Quietly Moves to Open Arctic Refuge to Oil & Gas Drilling While Earth Undergoes 6th Extinction <http://www.democracynow.org/2017/12/1/gop_quietly_moves_to_open_arctic>
2129[2017-12-01 08:03:25] <rabble_bot> News from demnow: Marcy Wheeler: Mike Flynn's Guilty Plea to FBI Will Shape How GOP Handles Russia Investigation <http://www.democracynow.org/2017/12/1/marcy_wheeler_mike_flynns_guilty_plea>
2130[2017-12-01 08:03:26] <rabble_bot> News from demnow: Is Trump Plan to Replace Rex Tillerson a Push for More U.S. Aggression Toward Iran, North Korea? <http://www.democracynow.org/2017/12/1/is_trump_plan_to_replace_rex>
2131[2017-12-01 08:03:27] <rabble_bot> News from demnow: Headlines for December  1, 2017 <http://www.democracynow.org/2017/12/1/headlines>
2132[2017-12-01 08:03:29] <zapster> there was a *lot* of government support then
2133[2017-12-01 08:03:29] <RandomCouch> they are still available...
2134[2017-12-01 08:03:34] <zapster> no they aren't
2135[2017-12-01 08:03:42] <zapster> they absolutely are not anymore
2136[2017-12-01 08:03:55] <RandomCouch> well alright we need to clarify that I live in Canada lol
2137[2017-12-01 08:03:55] <zapster> student debt is a gigantic barrier that didn't exist back then
2138[2017-12-01 08:03:59] <RandomCouch> and they do still exist here
2139[2017-12-01 08:04:22] <zapster> yeah, but canada is also quite restrictive of immigration now too lol 
2140[2017-12-01 08:04:33] <RandomCouch> Yeah, after a lot of the acts of terrorism that went on
2141[2017-12-01 08:04:43] <RandomCouch> cautious measures were to be expected
2142[2017-12-01 08:04:47] <zapster> in canada? I never heard of any there
2143[2017-12-01 08:04:50] <RandomCouch> um
2144[2017-12-01 08:04:57] <RandomCouch> there was an attack in ottawa a few years ago
2145[2017-12-01 08:05:00] <RandomCouch> I was actualyl pretty close
2146[2017-12-01 08:05:08] <RandomCouch> while I was at work
2147[2017-12-01 08:05:17] <RandomCouch> some muslim man shot up parliament hill
2148[2017-12-01 08:05:19] <zapster> hm ok. seems a bit of an excessive reaction anyway. 
2149[2017-12-01 08:05:21] <RandomCouch> and killed a soldier
2150[2017-12-01 08:05:27] <RandomCouch> it's canadas capital
2151[2017-12-01 08:05:43] <RandomCouch> there was also attacks on a mosque
2152[2017-12-01 08:05:45] <RandomCouch> in Quebec
2153[2017-12-01 08:06:00] <RandomCouch> it was terrorism by canadians
2154[2017-12-01 08:06:00] <zapster> by who? 
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2157[2017-12-01 08:06:08] <zapster> so not immigrants
2158[2017-12-01 08:06:10] <RandomCouch> no
2159[2017-12-01 08:06:15] <HoleySocks> EQUALITY OF TERRORISM
2160[2017-12-01 08:06:18] <HoleySocks> what a country
2161[2017-12-01 08:06:44] <RandomCouch> Just to say that there was conflict here too... people get stirred up
2162[2017-12-01 08:06:51] <zapster> if we stopped bombing other countries, there'd be a lot less terrorism. :\
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2165[2017-12-01 08:07:05] <RandomCouch> what power do we have over that 
2166[2017-12-01 08:07:10] <RandomCouch> as citizens
2167[2017-12-01 08:07:14] <zapster> punishing individuals for systemic actions is also horrifically wasteful
2168[2017-12-01 08:07:56] <RandomCouch> I can't say I know everything about why immigration laws got tightened up
2169[2017-12-01 08:08:04] <RandomCouch> but it makes sense to me that it is cautious measures
2170[2017-12-01 08:08:11] <RandomCouch> specially facing the refugee crisis
2171[2017-12-01 08:08:16] <RandomCouch> although we did let in many refugees
2172[2017-12-01 08:08:33] <zapster> donno. but overall canada's more equal policies have been beneficial to canada as a whole
2173[2017-12-01 08:08:47] <zapster> that's pretty much undeniable
2174[2017-12-01 08:08:50] <nomic> why?  nationalism xenophobia - racism
2175[2017-12-01 08:08:50] <RandomCouch> Yep, and like I said I am all for equal opportunity
2176[2017-12-01 08:09:03] <RandomCouch> but we have to accept and understand
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2179[2017-12-01 08:09:07] <RandomCouch> that we are not all mentally equal
2180[2017-12-01 08:09:10] <zapster> why?
2181[2017-12-01 08:09:23] <zapster> that assumption leads to more unequal opportunity
2182[2017-12-01 08:09:25] <RandomCouch> because people complain about not having equal outcomes when they did have equal opportunity
2183[2017-12-01 08:09:34] <raijin> lol
2184[2017-12-01 08:09:36] <zapster> hell, they can't even define mental equality
2185[2017-12-01 08:09:38] * CosmicWitch_ → CosmicWitch
2186[2017-12-01 08:09:39] <RandomCouch> thinking they deserve the same as another although they aren't as mentally capable
2187[2017-12-01 08:09:44] <raijin> who is this clown
2188[2017-12-01 08:09:47] <zapster> how on earth can you make policy on that? 
2189[2017-12-01 08:09:54] <RandomCouch> raijin, no adhoms
2190[2017-12-01 08:10:06] <RandomCouch> we're all respectful here
2191[2017-12-01 08:10:07] <zapster> indeed
2192[2017-12-01 08:10:09] <HoleySocks> :P
2193[2017-12-01 08:10:41] <zapster> someone that isn't particularly verbal will score badly on tests, while inventing the next major breakthrough in his garage.
2194[2017-12-01 08:10:49] <raijin> ban me, I'm not going to censor myself when someone is using an argument that is inherently disrespectful
2195[2017-12-01 08:10:59] <RandomCouch> If I had that power I would.
2196[2017-12-01 08:11:08] <RandomCouch> Personal attacks are useless to debates
2197[2017-12-01 08:11:13] <HoleySocks> fucking yawn
2198[2017-12-01 08:11:14] <raijin> zapster only agreed with you because I said her chan is a dead end 
2199[2017-12-01 08:11:36] <zapster> that garage inventor, under your assumption, will not get the outcome he deserves
2200[2017-12-01 08:11:51] <zapster> because you, and others that believe as you do, will dismiss him
2201[2017-12-01 08:11:57] <HoleySocks> not mentally capable :P
2202[2017-12-01 08:11:58] <RandomCouch> zapster, if his invention gets attention
2203[2017-12-01 08:12:03] <HoleySocks> not mentally capable of empathy
2204[2017-12-01 08:12:04] <zapster> how would it? 
2205[2017-12-01 08:12:07] <RandomCouch> because it was a breaktrhough
2206[2017-12-01 08:12:09] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: As John Conyers Departs From Judiciary Committee Spot, the First Battle of the Anti-Monopoly Era Begins <https://theintercept.com/2017/11/28/john-conyers-google-zoe-lofgren-house-judiciary-committee/>
2207[2017-12-01 08:12:14] <zapster> you won't pay any attention to it. you might not even understand it. 
2208[2017-12-01 08:12:19] <RandomCouch> zapster, equal opportunity is how
2209[2017-12-01 08:12:20] <HoleySocks> not mentally capable of giving a fuck
2210[2017-12-01 08:12:25] <raijin> if mental ability were the foundation of achievement we would not have 45
2211[2017-12-01 08:12:31] <zapster> there can't be equal opportunity under such assumptions 
2212[2017-12-01 08:12:35] <zapster> they won't happen
2213[2017-12-01 08:12:43] <RandomCouch> Ok let's take your example
2214[2017-12-01 08:12:45] <raijin> it's a cover for racism
2215[2017-12-01 08:12:45] <RandomCouch> in the real world
2216[2017-12-01 08:12:51] <RandomCouch> this guy invented something amazing in his garage
2217[2017-12-01 08:12:54] <zapster> you assume someone is unintelligent because you don't understand him, and so his invention will never be seen
2218[2017-12-01 08:12:56] <RandomCouch> but is a school dropout
2219[2017-12-01 08:12:58] <HoleySocks> its status quo bias all over
2220[2017-12-01 08:12:59] <RandomCouch> right?
2221[2017-12-01 08:13:06] <HoleySocks> moral high ground etc
2222[2017-12-01 08:13:10] <HoleySocks> very fucking tedious
2223[2017-12-01 08:13:20] <zapster> exactly, HoleySocks 
2224[2017-12-01 08:13:23] <RandomCouch> Starts a gofundme, or some crowdfunding method (which is part of equal opportunity)
2225[2017-12-01 08:13:31] <RandomCouch> gets traction because his invention is a breakthrough
2226[2017-12-01 08:13:33] <RandomCouch> profits..
2227[2017-12-01 08:13:44] <zapster> which requires verbal ability he doesn't possess
2228[2017-12-01 08:13:59] <RandomCouch> well he can get help for that
2229[2017-12-01 08:14:06] <raijin> because inferior
2230[2017-12-01 08:14:09] <applegal> I think you are referring to $$$$ RandomCouch, some people are born from poor background.. you should already know the harsh reality when you were in elementary school
2231[2017-12-01 08:14:10] <zapster> oh? from who? people that assume he is unintelligent? 
2232[2017-12-01 08:14:27] <RandomCouch> I wouldn't assume he is unintelligent
2233[2017-12-01 08:14:33] <zapster> but you already do
2234[2017-12-01 08:14:42] <RandomCouch> No, if he was capable of inventing something amazing
2235[2017-12-01 08:14:49] <zapster> you assume that some are unintelligent. yet you have no way of determining that. 
2236[2017-12-01 08:14:50] <RandomCouch> I can't see why I would think he is unintelligent
2237[2017-12-01 08:14:58] <zapster> you wouldn't know 
2238[2017-12-01 08:15:12] <zapster> because he's not verbal enough to explain it, and you aren't smart enough to see it for yourself
2239[2017-12-01 08:15:21] <raijin> RandomClown
2240[2017-12-01 08:15:42] <nomic> uk is a backward culture
2241[2017-12-01 08:15:46] <zapster> many highly intelligent people can't express themselves to those less intelligent.
2242[2017-12-01 08:15:53] <zapster> and are assumed to be unintelligent because of it. 
2243[2017-12-01 08:16:15] <RandomCouch> I get your point, but it still doesn't disprove my point that there ARE dumb people.
2244[2017-12-01 08:16:27] <zapster> or even labeled crazy
2245[2017-12-01 08:16:50] <HoleySocks> dumbness doesn't even come into it
2246[2017-12-01 08:16:53] <RandomCouch> Unless you're saying there are no dumb people, only people we don't know are smart
2247[2017-12-01 08:16:57] <zapster> but you can't know
2248[2017-12-01 08:17:08] <HoleySocks> the Senate is full of people who don't believe in climate change ON PURPOSE
2249[2017-12-01 08:17:18] <zapster> and you're defending an idea that leads to them being unable to get the reward they deserve
2250[2017-12-01 08:17:24] <nomic> boris johnson is a "genius"
2251[2017-12-01 08:17:58] <zapster> HoleySocks, yeah I know. I suspect at least some of them are as cynical as they appear to be
2252[2017-12-01 08:18:16] <RandomCouch> no zapster, you're either misunderstanding me or I'm having trouble explaining my point. Equal opportunity = everyone gets the same chance to do the same things, this is fair for everybody. But to force an equal outcome on everyone, regardless of the efforts put in, or mental capacity
2253[2017-12-01 08:18:22] <RandomCouch> just makes everyone the same, no one strives
2254[2017-12-01 08:18:25] <nomic> wow .. some guy on sky news .. said .. blurb said "donald trump advisor" .. said "donald trump is a 'master of social media'"
2255[2017-12-01 08:19:13] <RandomCouch> The people you are talking about, would be able to get the reward they deserve with equal opportunity
2256[2017-12-01 08:19:13] <nomic> does that makes a toddler smearing itself with shit in a corner -- that makes the todder a "communicator"
2257[2017-12-01 08:19:13] <applegal> trump is just addicted to twitter that's all
2258[2017-12-01 08:19:27] <zapster> nonsense. millions of people do wonderful things without any reward at all. but assuming that this is a meritocracy and that intelligence is automatically rewarded is dead wrong. 
2259[2017-12-01 08:19:36] <nomic> even so - he's barely literate
2260[2017-12-01 08:19:47] <RandomCouch> zapster, intelligence is not rewarded, achievements are
2261[2017-12-01 08:20:03] <nomic> uk has just borrowed heavily
2262[2017-12-01 08:20:05] <RandomCouch> but intelligence is at the core of those achievements
2263[2017-12-01 08:20:06] <zapster> you cannot have equal opportunity if you don't believe that all deserve equal reward as well 
2264[2017-12-01 08:20:09] <nomic> - QE
2265[2017-12-01 08:20:21] <zapster> you can't even define intelligence tho 
2266[2017-12-01 08:20:22] <RandomCouch> they deserve equal rewards for equal achievements
2267[2017-12-01 08:20:28] <nomic> labour wants to borrow £250bn
2268[2017-12-01 08:20:52] <zapster> people that don't appear intelligent by your definition do not get rewarded because their achievements are never even seen
2269[2017-12-01 08:21:05] <HoleySocks> he's switched now
2270[2017-12-01 08:21:07] <zapster> or funded
2271[2017-12-01 08:21:08] <applegal> Trump likes the attention he is getting from twitter.. it keeps him going
2272[2017-12-01 08:21:12] <RandomCouch> what I think is wrong with what you're saying, is say 1 guy makes an airplane, and another makes an airplane that works even better. Well, in your view, they would get the same reward
2273[2017-12-01 08:21:36] <RandomCouch> in mine, the better airplane would be rewarded more
2274[2017-12-01 08:21:47] <HoleySocks> :P
2275[2017-12-01 08:21:50] <zapster> well, why should one that builds on the other's groundbreaking work get more? 
2276[2017-12-01 08:22:15] <zapster> without the first one, the second would have no achievement at all 
2277[2017-12-01 08:22:15] <RandomCouch> in my example we are assuming they both started their work from scratch
2278[2017-12-01 08:22:18] <RandomCouch> equal opportunity
2279[2017-12-01 08:22:21] <HoleySocks> bollocks
2280[2017-12-01 08:22:35] <HoleySocks> do some work
2281[2017-12-01 08:23:04] <RandomCouch> Fairness is a very sensitive thing. Demand too much of it and that quickly becomes unfair for others.
2282[2017-12-01 08:23:54] <nomic> applegal .. only up votes on twitter .. its all positive
2283[2017-12-01 08:24:01] <nomic> can safely ignore the bad things
2284[2017-12-01 08:24:23] <nomic> reports he only gets flattering reports
2285[2017-12-01 08:24:34] <nomic> nobody is going to give trump bad news
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2287[2017-12-01 08:25:05] <nomic> twitter is a safe space, a playroom
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2290[2017-12-01 08:25:16] <RandomCouch> wb
2291[2017-12-01 08:25:25] <zapster> pfft. demanding fairness for all is categorically fair to all 
2292[2017-12-01 08:25:52] <HoleySocks> pfft
2293[2017-12-01 08:25:54] <zapster> only rich guys claim unfairness. those that already have the privilege feel it's unfair to have to work as hard as everyone else
2294[2017-12-01 08:25:54] <RandomCouch> not really, some may find it unfair to see others who they perceive as doing less work than they are, get the same rewards
2295[2017-12-01 08:26:23] <zapster> so? why should their 'perception' matter? it's filtered through their own fear and jealousy
2296[2017-12-01 08:26:32] <zapster> they can get over it
2297[2017-12-01 08:26:33] <RandomCouch> assuming their perception is correct
2298[2017-12-01 08:26:38] <RandomCouch> it would actually be unfair
2299[2017-12-01 08:27:02] <zapster> why assume that? 
2300[2017-12-01 08:27:08] <RandomCouch> for the sake of argument lol
2301[2017-12-01 08:27:09] <zapster> they are likely wrong
2302[2017-12-01 08:27:20] <zapster> no. fairness is fair by definition. 
2303[2017-12-01 08:27:22] <RandomCouch> You think it wouldn't be possible with equal outcome?
2304[2017-12-01 08:27:25] <zapster> you're talking about unfairness then
2305[2017-12-01 08:27:29] <RandomCouch> that people who do less work than others are rewarded the same?
2306[2017-12-01 08:27:39] <RandomCouch> I don't think that would be fair
2307[2017-12-01 08:28:04] <zapster> not at all. in the first place, what is 'reward' anyway? there's research showing that creative people that are 'rewarded' out of proportion end up becoming less creative 
2308[2017-12-01 08:28:12] <zapster> fame and fortune are not incentives
2309[2017-12-01 08:28:15] <zapster> they're barriers 
2310[2017-12-01 08:28:31] <applegal> what about people who are born blind.. so is life unfair? yes. can you change it? no. Suck it up
2311[2017-12-01 08:28:32] <RandomCouch> well reward is just a generic term but we're usually referring to payments
2312[2017-12-01 08:28:48] <zapster> but you can give them the means to use their full talent anyway. 
2313[2017-12-01 08:29:05] <RandomCouch> applegal, well it's very unfortunate and they've naturally been given unequal opportunity by being born blind
2314[2017-12-01 08:29:22] <zapster> and how much is enough? how much is too much? because *too much* is a very real handicap to output 
2315[2017-12-01 08:29:35] <RandomCouch> zapster> but you can give them the means to use their full talent anyway. <- Yes, that is equal opportunity
2316[2017-12-01 08:29:37] <RandomCouch> not equal outcome
2317[2017-12-01 08:29:55] <zapster> inequality of outcome is what is currently depressing the world economy
2318[2017-12-01 08:30:01] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Mike's Blog Round Up <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/mikes-blog-round>
2319[2017-12-01 08:30:02] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Twitter Does Happy Dance Over Flynn News <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/twitter-does-happy-dance-over-flynn-news-0>
2320[2017-12-01 08:30:05] <zapster> why is finance considered more worthy than any other sector? 
2321[2017-12-01 08:30:12] <RandomCouch> because it's more profitable
2322[2017-12-01 08:30:16] <RandomCouch> I guess
2323[2017-12-01 08:30:30] <zapster> but it is *not* more productive. it's causing the destruction of real wealth worldwide
2324[2017-12-01 08:30:38] <RandomCouch> I can't disagree with that
2325[2017-12-01 08:30:53] <zapster> they're 'the smartest guys in the room' tho. 
2326[2017-12-01 08:30:57] <zapster> how is this a good thing? 
2327[2017-12-01 08:30:57] <RandomCouch> I personally would vouch for more productive fields
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2330[2017-12-01 08:31:04] <RandomCouch> they're not the smartest
2331[2017-12-01 08:31:06] <RandomCouch> just the greediest
2332[2017-12-01 08:31:07] <RandomCouch> hehe
2333[2017-12-01 08:31:13] <zapster> finance has sucked some of the brightest minds on earth out of science
2334[2017-12-01 08:31:21] <zapster> and set them to designing fraud instead
2335[2017-12-01 08:31:32] <RandomCouch> Money can be blinding
2336[2017-12-01 08:31:40] <RandomCouch> It's how people get scammed too
2337[2017-12-01 08:31:43] <RandomCouch> 2 sides to it
2338[2017-12-01 08:31:46] <zapster> the decisions of nations to defund R&D leaves them nowhere else to go
2339[2017-12-01 08:32:20] <nomic> lol
2340[2017-12-01 08:32:26] <zapster> so is that fair? rewarding them for turning their talents to fraud instead of science? 
2341[2017-12-01 08:32:27] <nomic> i didn't see any bright minds in finance
2342[2017-12-01 08:32:44] <zapster> oh they're there. wall street goes fishing at MIT for quants 
2343[2017-12-01 08:32:57] <nomic> sure quants
2344[2017-12-01 08:33:08] <RandomCouch> No it isn't, but tbh I can't figure out if this lands into unequal opportunity or unequal outcome
2345[2017-12-01 08:33:11] <zapster> and since now there's almost nowhere else for these  high-powered mathemeticians and physicists to go, that's where they end up
2346[2017-12-01 08:33:26] <zapster> it's both
2347[2017-12-01 08:34:46] <nomic> yeah cos they have no desire to do anything other than "get cash"
2348[2017-12-01 08:34:50] <zapster> the outrageous outcomes on wall street deprives the rest of the economy of opportunity
2349[2017-12-01 08:34:50] <nomic> cash suffocates everything
2350[2017-12-01 08:34:55] <RandomCouch> Greed is in human nature though, it's why things just can't be totally fair
2351[2017-12-01 08:35:00] <nomic> salesmen are rated higher than engineers (the problem)
2352[2017-12-01 08:35:00] <RandomCouch> the powerful will be greedy
2353[2017-12-01 08:35:07] <RandomCouch> Que sera, sera
2354[2017-12-01 08:35:36] <RandomCouch> You can either fight greed, or try to out-greed everybody
2355[2017-12-01 08:36:06] <RandomCouch> I try to do the latter because it's the safest route
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2358[2017-12-01 08:41:59] <zapster> why should we pander to greed? 
2359[2017-12-01 08:42:04] <zapster> just tax the excess away 
2360[2017-12-01 08:42:12] <RandomCouch> what other choice is there
2361[2017-12-01 08:42:31] <RandomCouch> if you want to get rich
2362[2017-12-01 08:42:33] <zapster> I saw a report yesterday. kids that get all As in school are less creative and less likely to take risks than those that don't
2363[2017-12-01 08:42:50] <RandomCouch> well, I don't know how to feel about that lol
2364[2017-12-01 08:43:15] <zapster> yet the ones that don't get degrees--who are likely to be more innovative, will never get the reward they earn
2365[2017-12-01 08:43:26] <RandomCouch> It makes sense...
2366[2017-12-01 08:43:30] <RandomCouch> I dropped out of university
2367[2017-12-01 08:43:36] <RandomCouch> but I'm striving at work
2368[2017-12-01 08:43:36] <zapster> it's waste on a massive scale
2369[2017-12-01 08:43:45] <RandomCouch> and I have my own side projects
2370[2017-12-01 08:43:51] <RandomCouch> that I spend a lot of free time on
2371[2017-12-01 08:43:53] <zapster> but still, without that credential, you will never earn what those with it will earn. 
2372[2017-12-01 08:43:57] <zapster> no matter how hard you work
2373[2017-12-01 08:44:09] <zapster> or how good your work is
2374[2017-12-01 08:44:13] <RandomCouch> It's true, if I had a degree
2375[2017-12-01 08:44:16] <RandomCouch> I'd have a better salary
2376[2017-12-01 08:44:30] <zapster> bingo. so what about that 'equality of outcome'? 
2377[2017-12-01 08:44:33] <RandomCouch> but I accept this right now, because I didn't take the time to go through all my uni program
2378[2017-12-01 08:44:41] <RandomCouch> the equality is that
2379[2017-12-01 08:44:44] <RandomCouch> those people took the time
2380[2017-12-01 08:44:46] <RandomCouch> and effort
2381[2017-12-01 08:44:48] <RandomCouch> to get their degree
2382[2017-12-01 08:44:57] <RandomCouch> it's not really that easy to be tolerant enough to go through all that
2383[2017-12-01 08:45:03] <zapster> your talent, intelligence and hard work will *never* get you what a piece of paper, which requires nothing but work, will get you. 
2384[2017-12-01 08:45:17] <RandomCouch> I 100% agree, that piece of paper means nothign to me
2385[2017-12-01 08:45:27] <RandomCouch> but I understand why business are based on that.
2386[2017-12-01 08:45:33] <zapster> and *getting* that degree has been shown to be dangerous to your creativity too. 
2387[2017-12-01 08:45:40] <RandomCouch> In certain fields it makes a lot of sense
2388[2017-12-01 08:45:42] <zapster> you have to risk endangering your mind to get the money.
2389[2017-12-01 08:45:46] <RandomCouch> for example I wouldn't hire a doctor who doesn't have a degree
2390[2017-12-01 08:45:51] <RandomCouch> but claims to have the talent and skill
2391[2017-12-01 08:46:30] <RandomCouch> or like a aerial engineer
2392[2017-12-01 08:46:36] <zapster> or we could set up systems that allow them to demonstrate their ability without forcing them to endanger their health and sanity and ability to think critically, which is what med school tends to do 
2393[2017-12-01 08:47:07] <RandomCouch> so, let's make education outcome more fair :P
2394[2017-12-01 08:47:25] <zapster> the assumption is that universities know what they're doing and produce better people. but studies and empirical evidence shows that isn't necessarily true
2395[2017-12-01 08:47:43] <zapster> hell, economists are a glaring example of that lol 
2396[2017-12-01 08:48:14] <zapster> especially since our government started cutting federal funding to them. they've sold out to corporations instead. 
2397[2017-12-01 08:48:24] <zapster> the outcomes are getting worse and worse
2398[2017-12-01 08:49:10] <RandomCouch> A system that allows people to demonstrate tehir ability in a certain field would have to prove it's cost by it's results. If it is not getting enough good results it would prove to be a waste of money to maintain
2399[2017-12-01 08:49:24] <zapster> they no longer allow the free presentation of all ideas, meaning that many excellent, realistic ones are no longer taught 
2400[2017-12-01 08:50:13] <zapster> money is there to waste. I'm all for wasting money. it all goes into the real economy anyway. if it finds and enables more talented people to emerge, it's not a waste. 
2401[2017-12-01 08:50:22] <zapster> government can afford to waste money. nobody else can
2402[2017-12-01 08:50:34] <zapster> that's how R&D works.
2403[2017-12-01 08:50:45] <RandomCouch> In my field (computer science) - Everythign you need to know is public information available anywhere on the internet, but there is a LOT to know. Usually when I pass interviews they ask me questions and technical things to assess my ability
2404[2017-12-01 08:50:51] <RandomCouch> I find that is already enough, for my field at least
2405[2017-12-01 08:50:55] <RandomCouch> to determine my ability to do the job or not
2406[2017-12-01 08:50:58] <zapster> 90% of ideas fall by the wayside, but the ones that make it are where advancement comes from
2407[2017-12-01 08:51:05] <RandomCouch> however, although I am able to do the job
2408[2017-12-01 08:51:09] <RandomCouch> I still am not paid as much as someone with a degree
2409[2017-12-01 08:51:14] <RandomCouch> because somehow it's a standard
2410[2017-12-01 08:51:23] <zapster> exactly
2411[2017-12-01 08:51:27] <RandomCouch> that someone with a degree generally gets a better salary than someone who only has experience
2412[2017-12-01 08:51:30] <zapster> there is no fairness in outcomes 
2413[2017-12-01 08:51:42] <RandomCouch> but see I had the opportunity
2414[2017-12-01 08:51:47] <zapster> you have the opportunity, but the outcome depends on factors not related to that 
2415[2017-12-01 08:51:47] <RandomCouch> to get that degree
2416[2017-12-01 08:51:49] <RandomCouch> I just didn't take it
2417[2017-12-01 08:51:52] <HoleySocks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg
2418[2017-12-01 08:51:53] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Mitchell and Webb - Kill The Poor :: Duration: 02:40
2419[2017-12-01 08:52:05] <zapster> it wasn't an opportunity if you can do the job without it. 
2420[2017-12-01 08:52:13] <RandomCouch> I agree it's not fair in this case since I can do the job without it
2421[2017-12-01 08:52:23] <RandomCouch> but the option was there, I knew it wasn't fair from the start
2422[2017-12-01 08:52:23] <zapster> and it's ridiculous to demand it. waste years of your productive life for something that is unrelated to your performance
2423[2017-12-01 08:52:26] <RandomCouch> that's why I quit uni
2424[2017-12-01 08:52:30] <zapster> that wasn't an opportunity
2425[2017-12-01 08:52:51] <RandomCouch> Yep, totally agree with you there
2426[2017-12-01 08:52:52] <zapster> pay should not be tied to your past. it should be only in regard to your performance
2427[2017-12-01 08:53:13] <zapster> that's what equality of outcome would be 
2428[2017-12-01 08:53:28] <RandomCouch> Over here we have performance reviews
2429[2017-12-01 08:53:31] <RandomCouch> we can demand them from time to time
2430[2017-12-01 08:53:41] <RandomCouch> at the end of performance reviews salaries get adjusted
2431[2017-12-01 08:53:56] <zapster> but you can't get enough information to know what they actually base them on. those with degrees start out with higher pay coming in 
2432[2017-12-01 08:54:01] <zapster> so you can never catch up 
2433[2017-12-01 08:54:02] <RandomCouch> It also depends on the companies financial situation 
2434[2017-12-01 08:54:12] <zapster> and that pay is not performance-based
2435[2017-12-01 08:54:33] <RandomCouch> Yep... and those who are fresh graduates without experience are usually not as good as those with experience but no degree
2436[2017-12-01 08:54:36] <RandomCouch> I've seen it first hand
2437[2017-12-01 08:54:40] <RandomCouch> as I worked with a fresh graduate
2438[2017-12-01 08:54:45] <zapster> you colud be doing the *exact* same job as someone with a degree, but be making thousands less 
2439[2017-12-01 08:54:45] <RandomCouch> who seemed very incompetent to me
2440[2017-12-01 08:55:10] <nomic> JUST IN: @BrianRoss on @ABC: Michael Flynn is prepared to testify that Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians." http://abcn.ws/2AhU3Iq
2441[2017-12-01 08:55:12] <rabble_bot> ^ Flynn has promised Special Counsel 'full cooperation' in Russia probe: Source - ABC News
2442[2017-12-01 08:55:21] <RandomCouch> Yep. But zapster we must consider that the person with that degree also paid a lot for their education
2443[2017-12-01 08:55:24] <RandomCouch> and is probably in debts
2444[2017-12-01 08:55:26] <RandomCouch> because of it 
2445[2017-12-01 08:55:34] <zapster> part of the problem now is that companies want a bunch of degrees in their ranks because it impresses investors, who can't judge anything much 
2446[2017-12-01 08:55:36] <RandomCouch> I understand it's not fair for me
2447[2017-12-01 08:55:41] <RandomCouch> but it's also not fair for the person who had to get their degree
2448[2017-12-01 08:55:42] <zapster> it's back to financialization
2449[2017-12-01 08:55:45] <RandomCouch> we are both being duped
2450[2017-12-01 08:55:51] <zapster> performance is less important that wooing wall street 
2451[2017-12-01 08:56:30] <zapster> and the requirement for degrees lets universities crapify their product as well 
2452[2017-12-01 08:56:37] <zapster> they no longer have to produce better people 
2453[2017-12-01 08:56:41] <zapster> vicious cycle
2454[2017-12-01 08:56:43] <RandomCouch> lol don't get me started on universities
2455[2017-12-01 08:56:55] <RandomCouch> I only went to uni because my dad kept trying to force me to
2456[2017-12-01 08:57:02] <RandomCouch> it was a lot of pressure
2457[2017-12-01 08:57:13] <RandomCouch> my dad would always tell me "You will be nothing without a degree"
2458[2017-12-01 08:57:15] <HoleySocks> universities should be equal
2459[2017-12-01 08:57:17] <zapster> so you can see why making assumptions about people individually is pretty much meaningless 
2460[2017-12-01 08:57:23] <zapster> when the whole system is fucked 
2461[2017-12-01 08:57:47] <RandomCouch> Of course but I wasn't making those assumptions, we are not all equally smart, or equally dumb
2462[2017-12-01 08:57:48] <zapster> your dad wasn't wrong in the current system. 
2463[2017-12-01 08:57:56] <zapster> as dangerous and stupid as it is 
2464[2017-12-01 08:57:59] <RandomCouch> he wasn't I know but I wanted to prove him wrong
2465[2017-12-01 08:58:05] <RandomCouch> and in a way I sorta did
2466[2017-12-01 08:58:14] <RandomCouch> because I did make it without a degree
2467[2017-12-01 08:58:17] <RandomCouch> just not at the same paygrade
2468[2017-12-01 08:58:20] <RandomCouch> however I am moving up with time
2469[2017-12-01 08:58:24] <RandomCouch> with the more experience I get
2470[2017-12-01 08:58:30] <zapster> 'cept you're up against a barrier that assumes you aren't as good as someone with a degree
2471[2017-12-01 08:58:42] <RandomCouch> Right, but I plan to make my achievements speak for me
2472[2017-12-01 08:58:49] <RandomCouch> not a degree
2473[2017-12-01 08:58:49] <HoleySocks> average pay after six months for Oxford CS grads is £55k
2474[2017-12-01 08:59:01] <zapster> rotsa ruck. you can burn yourself out doing that and not succeed :\
2475[2017-12-01 08:59:02] <RandomCouch> The world is slowly changing and more young people are becoming CEO's
2476[2017-12-01 08:59:09] <RandomCouch> these people realize that achievements are more important
2477[2017-12-01 08:59:10] * HoleySocks → MuckySocks
2478[2017-12-01 08:59:29] <zapster> who are being trained to create hollow companies that sucker investors into buying them out :\
2479[2017-12-01 08:59:32] <zapster> don't count on that 
2480[2017-12-01 09:00:36] <RandomCouch> but I am those young people so I can't blame them for doing what currently works
2481[2017-12-01 09:00:51] <RandomCouch> the question is how do you change what currently works? It's by discovering what else can work
2482[2017-12-01 09:00:58] <RandomCouch> and that's a risk to take
2483[2017-12-01 09:01:47] <RandomCouch> anyway I gtg to lunch break lol, be back in a few, good talk :)
2484[2017-12-01 09:02:31] <zapster> thanks, cya
2485[2017-12-01 09:05:21] <truffles> does carrots remind anyone of penus
2486[2017-12-01 09:05:45] <troy_cambridge> you need to quit your chastity
2487[2017-12-01 09:06:14] <truffles> lol
2488[2017-12-01 09:06:18] <JamGobbar>  http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html
2489[2017-12-01 09:06:19] <rabble_bot> ^ Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, is cooperating with Mueller - CNNPolitics
2490[2017-12-01 09:06:20] <JamGobbar> rofl
2491[2017-12-01 09:06:22] <JamGobbar> rofl!
2492[2017-12-01 09:06:28] <JamGobbar> guilty!
2493[2017-12-01 09:06:53] <JamGobbar> russiagate just got real yo yo
2494[2017-12-01 09:06:55] <truffles> troy_cambridge, when im slimmer and opportunity 
2495[2017-12-01 09:07:22] <truffles> i lost .3kg more
2496[2017-12-01 09:07:35] <JamGobbar> In court, prosecutors detailed calls made by Flynn in late December 2016 to the senior Trump transition team at Mar-a-Lago to discuss conversations with then-Russian Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak. There were multiple conversations with the transition while he was having conversations with Kisyak about Russia sanctions and the Russian response. 
2497[2017-12-01 09:07:36] <troy_cambridge> movin' on down.
2498[2017-12-01 09:07:50] <JamGobbar> -=collusion=-
2499[2017-12-01 09:08:03] <truffles> surprisingly slow
2500[2017-12-01 09:08:08] <JamGobbar> The charging document states that Flynn made a false statement to the FBI when he stated that in December 2016 he did not ask Kislyak "to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day; and Flynn did not recall the Russian ambassador subsequently telling him that Russia had chosen to moderate its response 
2501[2017-12-01 09:08:09] <JamGobbar> to those sanctions as a result of his request."
2502[2017-12-01 09:08:22] <truffles> im thinking of adding workouts, it did provide release
2503[2017-12-01 09:09:19] <troy_cambridge> I have to lose weight soon myself. Almost got quitting smoking out of the way.
2504[2017-12-01 09:09:33] <troy_cambridge> I've only smoked one cigarette in the last week.
2505[2017-12-01 09:09:33] <truffles> very nice
2506[2017-12-01 09:09:44] <truffles> i bet u smell fresher
2507[2017-12-01 09:10:09] <truffles> i like sniffing ppls armpits :D
2508[2017-12-01 09:10:26] <truffles> anyways im going to make something
2509[2017-12-01 09:10:52] <troy_cambridge> do you want me to ask what?
2510[2017-12-01 09:11:18] <troy_cambridge> food?
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2512[2017-12-01 09:12:21] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: Time Inc. Buyer Helped Koch Brothers Airbrush Their Image Across the Internet <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/time-magazine-koch-brothers-meredith-corp/>
2513[2017-12-01 09:16:44] <boz> truffles: sniff me sniff me
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2516[2017-12-01 09:17:32] <truffles> hehe
2517[2017-12-01 09:17:38] <truffles> i decided on soup
2518[2017-12-01 09:17:43] <truffles> i put 2 eggs in
2519[2017-12-01 09:18:07] <JamGobbar> https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/wall-street-drops-news-trump-directed-flynn-speak-russians-n825616
2520[2017-12-01 09:18:08] <rabble_bot> ^ Dow Jones drops 300 points on news that Flynn charged in Mueller probe - NBC News
2521[2017-12-01 09:18:41] <JamGobbar> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-jr-will-meet-house-intelligence-committee-next-week-n825291
2522[2017-12-01 09:18:42] <rabble_bot> ^ Donald Trump Jr. will meet with House Intelligence Committee next week - NBC News
2523[2017-12-01 09:19:02] <truffles> dunno if i should add chicken and if itll take longer, im famished 
2524[2017-12-01 09:19:58] <JamGobbar> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/comcast-to-customers-just-trustus-about-changed-net-neutrality-pledges/
2525[2017-12-01 09:20:00] <rabble_bot> ^ Comcast to customers: Just trust us about changed net neutrality pledges | Ars Technica
2526[2017-12-01 09:20:17] <CosmicWitch> https://i.imgur.com/oRzwMvF.png
2527[2017-12-01 09:20:33] <truffles> when u spam links and dont discuss them..
2528[2017-12-01 09:20:48] <nomic> nice sentiment
2529[2017-12-01 09:20:50] <JamGobbar> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/latest-north-korean-icbm-capable-of-reaching-us-so-now-what/
2530[2017-12-01 09:20:52] <rabble_bot> ^ North Korea can hit all of US with its new ICBM. Deal with it | Ars Technica
2531[2017-12-01 09:21:00] <JamGobbar> truffles: i'd discuss them if anyone commented
2532[2017-12-01 09:21:15] <JamGobbar> people here are too shocked at blatent russian collussion to comment though i guess
2533[2017-12-01 09:21:18] <truffles> take the lead
2534[2017-12-01 09:21:44] <truffles> i dont rly care about this russian distraction but u all can go on ahead
2535[2017-12-01 09:22:10] <CosmicWitch> The russia story is one of the biggest stories of the year
2536[2017-12-01 09:22:23] <JamGobbar> https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/11/this-weeks-failed-russian-rocket-had-a-pretty-bad-programming-error/ <<=-- meanwhile in russia
2537[2017-12-01 09:22:25] <rabble_bot> ^ This week’s failed Russian rocket had a pretty bad programming error | Ars Technica
2538[2017-12-01 09:22:30] <JamGobbar> woopsie!
2539[2017-12-01 09:23:09] <JamGobbar> CosmicWitch: its just getting going too
2540[2017-12-01 09:23:31] <JamGobbar> mueller's going to keep digging, and keep digging
2541[2017-12-01 09:24:13] <omegaman> I really enjoy when people use the term "Russian Distraction." Distraction from what, exactly?
2542[2017-12-01 09:24:17] <nomic> yeah .. trump .. the great general needs to go into NK with ground forces
2543[2017-12-01 09:24:20] <nomic> this is a good idea
2544[2017-12-01 09:24:27] <JamGobbar> lol omegaman
2545[2017-12-01 09:24:33] <nomic> totall destabilise asia = ww3
2546[2017-12-01 09:24:50] <nomic> controlled by trump the wrathful, vengeful toddler
2547[2017-12-01 09:24:54] <omegaman> I mean, honestly, what is it supposed to be a distraction from?
2548[2017-12-01 09:24:55] <JamGobbar> destraction from the awesome job trump is doing perhaps?
2549[2017-12-01 09:24:59] <nomic> things look so positive
2550[2017-12-01 09:25:10] <JamGobbar> or perhaps impending nuclear war?
2551[2017-12-01 09:25:21] <nomic> trumps a fucking moron .. the US government is internationally unfit
2552[2017-12-01 09:25:27] <nomic> should be expelled from the UN
2553[2017-12-01 09:25:37] <nomic> he does not meet the requirements of a civilised leader
2554[2017-12-01 09:25:53] <JamGobbar> UK cant even expell him from their country after he openly supports one of their hate groups
2555[2017-12-01 09:26:27] <nomic> he would be expelled if may wasn't in power
2556[2017-12-01 09:26:30] <nomic> 100%
2557[2017-12-01 09:26:49] <JamGobbar> may leans in that direcction then?
2558[2017-12-01 09:26:55] <MuckySocks> why the hell did she respond to him ?
2559[2017-12-01 09:26:58] <JamGobbar> does she also make excuses for hate groups in her own country?
2560[2017-12-01 09:27:14] <JamGobbar> i wonder if she'll retweet david duke next
2561[2017-12-01 09:27:27] <omegaman> Why would you need a distraction for impending nuclear war?
2562[2017-12-01 09:27:38] <omegaman> from*
2563[2017-12-01 09:27:46] <nomic> i just restarted netflix
2564[2017-12-01 09:27:50] — nomic punches self in face
2565[2017-12-01 09:27:54] <MuckySocks> heheh
2566[2017-12-01 09:28:05] <nomic> 5.99 i did this to myself i i will regret
2567[2017-12-01 09:28:24] <rabble_bot> News from amcon: Walker Percy At The Present Moment <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/walker-percy-present-moment/>
2568[2017-12-01 09:28:51] <MuckySocks> the Chinese PM got invited to Buck Palace even after fucking over everyone's favourite Buddhists
2569[2017-12-01 09:29:24] <MuckySocks> but trumpy just refused to congratulate the prince on his engagement, 
2570[2017-12-01 09:29:37] <MuckySocks> so maybe he won't get to ride up the Mall in a carriage
2571[2017-12-01 09:30:25] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: BREAKING:  Flynn Prepared To Testify Against Trump! <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/whoa-flynn-prepared-testify-against-trump>
2572[2017-12-01 09:30:26] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Twitter Finds Fun In Flynn Flipping Friday <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/twitter-finds-fun-flynn-flipping-friday>
2573[2017-12-01 09:30:41] <nomic> k .. we have a stephen king adaptation
2574[2017-12-01 09:30:44] <nomic> mebbe ok
2575[2017-12-01 09:30:45] <truffles> ok its pot full, as long as i dont eat the whole thing eek
2576[2017-12-01 09:32:17] <MuckySocks> are there any good stephen king films ?
2577[2017-12-01 09:32:57] <truffles> the shining 
2578[2017-12-01 09:32:59] <nomic> z.
2579[2017-12-01 09:33:03] <truffles> cujo
2580[2017-12-01 09:33:19] <truffles> a few more names escape
2581[2017-12-01 09:33:55] <nomic> christine was good
2582[2017-12-01 09:34:12] <MuckySocks> was it really though ?
2583[2017-12-01 09:34:12] <truffles> genrally his movies r good
2584[2017-12-01 09:34:24] <MuckySocks> can you remember any of it ?
2585[2017-12-01 09:34:31] <truffles> his imagination is stellar, just too much profanity!
2586[2017-12-01 09:34:31] <nomic> cos his stories were good
2587[2017-12-01 09:35:05] <MuckySocks> i don't remember any swearing
2588[2017-12-01 09:35:15] <truffles> i read the books
2589[2017-12-01 09:36:45] <MuckySocks> more than one ?
2590[2017-12-01 09:36:53] <truffles> ya
2591[2017-12-01 09:37:12] <truffles> i quit mid series though
2592[2017-12-01 09:37:27] <truffles> I have to check out the movie, The Gunslinger 
2593[2017-12-01 09:37:31] <nomic> netflix i will mine .. will find the good shit
2594[2017-12-01 09:37:31] <MuckySocks> i guess its better than sudoku
2595[2017-12-01 09:37:40] <HomieX> 12:27 nomic punches self in face
2596[2017-12-01 09:37:41] <HomieX> LOL
2597[2017-12-01 09:38:04] <truffles> sudoku became popular only recently..
2598[2017-12-01 09:38:21] <nomic> ppl always were playing it ..
2599[2017-12-01 09:38:32] <nomic> before a decade ago .. well before
2600[2017-12-01 09:38:54] <MuckySocks> yup it started to replace crosswords
2601[2017-12-01 09:39:01] <MuckySocks> 'dumbing down'
2602[2017-12-01 09:39:04] <truffles> still recent
2603[2017-12-01 09:39:14] <truffles> well if u play on easy
2604[2017-12-01 09:39:32] <nomic> anyone played  'sobokan'
2605[2017-12-01 09:39:39] <nomic> = 'warehouse  manager' japanese agame
2606[2017-12-01 09:39:50] <MuckySocks> only the nethack version
2607[2017-12-01 09:39:56] <nomic> Sokoban (倉庫番 sōkoban, warehouse keeper) is a type of transport puzzle, in which the player pushes boxes or crates around in a warehouse, trying to get them to storage locations. The puzzle is usually implemented as a video game.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokoban
2608[2017-12-01 09:39:57] <rabble_bot> ^ Sokoban - Wikipedia
2609[2017-12-01 09:40:23] <MuckySocks> but yup its pretty hard
2610[2017-12-01 09:40:33] <nomic> lemmings is good
2611[2017-12-01 09:40:39] <nomic> i like games like lemmings and that
2612[2017-12-01 09:40:40] — HomieX writes a script to permanently deletes nomic
2613[2017-12-01 09:40:44] <nomic> lemmings was a puzzle
2614[2017-12-01 09:40:59] <MuckySocks> i liked lemmings
2615[2017-12-01 09:41:10] <MuckySocks> only played it a couple of times
2616[2017-12-01 09:41:11] <HomieX> NERDS!!!!
2617[2017-12-01 09:41:14] <nomic> ud have like diggers etc .. builders
2618[2017-12-01 09:41:40] <MuckySocks> you can play it in html5 now
2619[2017-12-01 09:41:52] <HomieX> I have Sim City Build it on my tablet 
2620[2017-12-01 09:42:01] <MuckySocks> yawnathon
2621[2017-12-01 09:42:07] <HomieX> FU
2622[2017-12-01 09:42:18] <MuckySocks> do you really relate to all your citizens ?
2623[2017-12-01 09:42:35] <omegaman> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP-iTBeXkAAH9c3.jpg
2624[2017-12-01 09:43:16] <MuckySocks> when will i learn
2625[2017-12-01 09:43:25] <omegaman>  Seth Abramson‏Verified account @SethAbramson 51m51 minutes ago Replying to @SethAbramson  69/ So what we've learned today is (a) Donald Trump, the President of the United States, is a target of the Mueller probe (as I and many attorneys have long said); (b) Jared Kushner is almost certainly also a target; (c) Kushner needs a new lawyer; (d) Pence may also be a target.
2626[2017-12-01 09:43:27] <nomic> is it hot today omegaman ... mebbe it sunny
2627[2017-12-01 09:43:33] <nomic> is fking 1 degree here
2628[2017-12-01 09:43:40] <HomieX> BUST: IHEART Radio Nears Chapter 11...
2629[2017-12-01 09:43:40] <HomieX> 'The industry's best days are behind it'...
2630[2017-12-01 09:44:03] <omegaman> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP-hP8LWkAE4IT6.jpg
2631[2017-12-01 09:44:09] <omegaman>  Seth Abramson‏Verified account @SethAbramson 29m29 minutes ago Replying to @SethAbramson  77/ It requires minimal flexing of my muscles as a legal expert to point out that the new party line from the White House is not going to fly—whatsoever. Obama told Trump not to hire Flynn; Trump's pal Chris Christie told him not to.   Jared Kushner and Ivanka overruled them all.
2632[2017-12-01 09:44:20] <nomic> 'obama official'
2633[2017-12-01 09:44:31] — nomic goes 2 look @ drudge
2634[2017-12-01 09:44:53] <MuckySocks> heheh
2635[2017-12-01 09:44:59] <nomic> REPORT: Flynn says Trump directed him to make contact with Russians...
2636[2017-12-01 09:45:00] <JamGobbar> oh my god
2637[2017-12-01 09:45:00] <nomic> Feels president has abandoned him...
2638[2017-12-01 09:45:00] <nomic> Prepared To Testify Against Trump, Family, White House Staff... 
2639[2017-12-01 09:45:03] <JamGobbar> i hope they get pence too
2640[2017-12-01 09:45:08] <nomic> ehard about it
2641[2017-12-01 09:45:14] <JamGobbar> Welcome president Ryan
2642[2017-12-01 09:45:15] <nomic> DIRECTED TO MAKE CONTACT
2643[2017-12-01 09:45:23] <truffles> guise dont remove hot eggs from pot, itll burn
2644[2017-12-01 09:45:29] <nomic> STOCKS HIT
2645[2017-12-01 09:45:33] <nomic> this is SERIOUS
2646[2017-12-01 09:46:16] <HomieX> MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday that a U.S. threat to destroy North Korea in the event of a war was "a bloodthirsty tirade" and that military action against Pyongyang would be a big mistake, Russian news agencies reported.
2647[2017-12-01 09:46:33] <HomieX> BIG MISTAKE 
2648[2017-12-01 09:47:07] <nomic> trump lowered his rhetoric to that of kim jong uns regime
2649[2017-12-01 09:47:16] <JamGobbar>  oh look
2650[2017-12-01 09:47:20] <JamGobbar> putin backing kim jung
2651[2017-12-01 09:47:21] <JamGobbar> what a shocker
2652[2017-12-01 09:47:45] <JamGobbar> i think putin is jelly of how much power jung has
2653[2017-12-01 09:47:48] <HomieX> Woman Stabbed 50 Times, Body Burned In Philly Alley By Man Met On FACEBOOK...
2654[2017-12-01 09:47:50] <omegaman> doesnt look like backing to me
2655[2017-12-01 09:48:17] <HomieX> City of brotherly love 
2656[2017-12-01 09:49:03] <HomieX> OMFG!!!!! - Shock Video: Woman Delivering AMAZON Package Poops In Front Of Home...
2657[2017-12-01 09:49:22] <omegaman> wow ignore is my friend today
2658[2017-12-01 09:49:27] <nomic> i LOVE NETFLIX
2659[2017-12-01 09:49:31] <nomic> YEAH!
2660[2017-12-01 09:49:40] <nomic> u gotta branc offf fromfilms
2661[2017-12-01 09:49:42] <nomic> 100%
2662[2017-12-01 09:49:46] <nomic> gr8 docus
2663[2017-12-01 09:49:58] <Nelluk> nomic i could make a docu about your evolving positions on netflix
2664[2017-12-01 09:50:12] <nomic> wathcing "the kalief browder story"
2665[2017-12-01 09:50:20] <nomic> i paid for it .. today it is good
2666[2017-12-01 09:50:26] <nomic> i got star trek back, also
2667[2017-12-01 09:50:28] <nomic> all of it
2668[2017-12-01 09:50:31] <nomic> and the manga
2669[2017-12-01 09:50:37] <omegaman> but no one would care about it
2670[2017-12-01 09:50:40] <HomieX> I'm not making this shit up! 
2671[2017-12-01 09:50:41] <nomic> getting into manga
2672[2017-12-01 09:50:43] <HomieX> http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/11/30/pooping-amazon-home-sacramento-video/
2673[2017-12-01 09:50:43] <rabble_bot> ^ Video Shows Delivery Driver Pooping In Front Of Sacramento Home « CBS13 | CBS Sacramento
2674[2017-12-01 09:50:48] <HomieX> POOP!!!!
2675[2017-12-01 09:50:55] <Nelluk> arent manga books
2676[2017-12-01 09:51:03] <Nelluk> hey homie
2677[2017-12-01 09:51:05] <Nelluk> shut the fuck up
2678[2017-12-01 09:51:10] <omegaman> i put him on ignore
2679[2017-12-01 09:51:14] <nomic> r cartoons too
2680[2017-12-01 09:51:16] <Nelluk> "CONTRIBUTE OR LEAVE" - zapster 2017
2681[2017-12-01 09:51:20] <nomic> u know the like 'akira' stuff
2682[2017-12-01 09:51:22] <omegaman> chat trash needs to learn its place
2683[2017-12-01 09:51:25] <Nelluk> nomic: isnt that anime 
2684[2017-12-01 09:51:31] <nomic> nelluk you told me that, yesterday
2685[2017-12-01 09:51:31] <MuckySocks> Man Stabbed 50 Times, Body Burned In Philly Alley By Woman Met On FACEBOOK...
2686[2017-12-01 09:51:32] <HomieX> POOOOOOOP!!!!!
2687[2017-12-01 09:51:36] <nomic> was a THREAT
2688[2017-12-01 09:51:42] <nomic> u an op homie?
2689[2017-12-01 09:51:42] <omegaman> humbag about to join him
2690[2017-12-01 09:51:50] <nomic> NO. u r no op .. so .. STFU 
2691[2017-12-01 09:52:01] <HomieX> yawn 
2692[2017-12-01 09:52:03] <HomieX> Zzzzz
2693[2017-12-01 09:52:12] <nomic> k anime .. i confused it with manga am old
2694[2017-12-01 09:52:14] <nomic> ish
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2698[2017-12-01 09:52:51] <MuckySocks> you can get a custom-made gibbet for under a grand
2699[2017-12-01 09:53:40] <nomic> i think homie thought i was refering to him
2700[2017-12-01 09:53:47] <RandomCouch> Damn, just had free shawarma at work 
2701[2017-12-01 09:53:48] <Nelluk> you drove him away
2702[2017-12-01 09:53:49] <RandomCouch> nomnom
2703[2017-12-01 09:53:51] <nomic> i said 'you an op homie?' referring to nelluk
2704[2017-12-01 09:53:54] <MuckySocks> wait the ex-director of the fbi just tweeted that religious shit ?
2705[2017-12-01 09:54:09] <Nelluk> yeah, so?
2706[2017-12-01 09:54:18] <omegaman> not so much religious as it is a proverb
2707[2017-12-01 09:54:22] <omegaman> not seeing an issue either way
2708[2017-12-01 09:54:24] <MuckySocks> nah
2709[2017-12-01 09:54:29] <nomic> omegaman .. 
2710[2017-12-01 09:54:33] <nomic> spreadsheet
2711[2017-12-01 09:54:33] <omegaman> nah
2712[2017-12-01 09:54:40] ⇐ genera quit (~genera@unaffiliated/genera): Ping timeout: 258 seconds
2713[2017-12-01 09:54:40] <nomic> naw. NAW
2714[2017-12-01 09:54:45] <MuckySocks> not seeing anything right with it
2715[2017-12-01 09:54:50] <MuckySocks> its dumb
2716[2017-12-01 09:54:52] — nomic points in outrage @ the spot NAW
2717[2017-12-01 09:54:54] <MuckySocks> its not funny
2718[2017-12-01 09:54:57] <nomic> NAW
2719[2017-12-01 09:54:59] <MuckySocks> why is he on twitter
2720[2017-12-01 09:54:59] <omegaman> funny?
2721[2017-12-01 09:55:06] <Nelluk> why are you on twitter
2722[2017-12-01 09:55:08] <nomic> wong WRONG wrong wrong WRONG
2723[2017-12-01 09:55:11] <RandomCouch> What was the tweet?
2724[2017-12-01 09:55:13] <MuckySocks> why the fuck don't people grow up
2725[2017-12-01 09:55:14] <omegaman> why is anyone on twitter
2726[2017-12-01 09:55:15] — nomic hisses
2727[2017-12-01 09:55:21] <Nelluk> he's a private citizen
2728[2017-12-01 09:55:23] <omegaman> pot/kettle
2729[2017-12-01 09:55:23] — nomic doesn't use twitter
2730[2017-12-01 09:55:26] <MuckySocks> why did lamont post a jpg of a tweet ?!
2731[2017-12-01 09:55:30] — nomic keeps track of it
2732[2017-12-01 09:55:33] <Nelluk> RandomCouch: https://twitter.com/Comey/status/936641449294286848
2733[2017-12-01 09:55:34] <MuckySocks> just dumb all over
2734[2017-12-01 09:55:35] <rabble_bot> ^ James Comey on Twitter: "“But justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream” Amos 5:24 https://t.co/o89PSY1YBd"
2735[2017-12-01 09:55:36] <nomic> u on twitter omegaman buddy?
2736[2017-12-01 09:55:36] <MuckySocks> pls
2737[2017-12-01 09:55:39] <MuckySocks> go west 
2738[2017-12-01 09:55:42] <MuckySocks> keep going
2739[2017-12-01 09:55:45] — nomic doesn't tweet
2740[2017-12-01 09:55:48] <omegaman> aaand updating ignore
2741[2017-12-01 09:55:50] <MuckySocks> beyond the horizon ...
2742[2017-12-01 09:55:54] <nomic> wtf omegaman
2743[2017-12-01 09:55:57] <RandomCouch> thanks Nelluk 
2744[2017-12-01 09:55:58] <nomic> u referring to me?
2745[2017-12-01 09:56:01] <nomic> wtf
2746[2017-12-01 09:56:08] <nomic> wut is ur twitter id homie
2747[2017-12-01 09:56:27] — nomic is @farout7799
2748[2017-12-01 09:56:47] <Nelluk> some good content there
2749[2017-12-01 09:57:02] <Elegrant> https://youtu.be/yM8xdPjPGcA
2750[2017-12-01 09:57:02] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - -Grotesco- Learn English! :: Duration: 05:02
2751[2017-12-01 09:57:48] ⇐ Reader quit (~MrReader@unaffiliated/mrreader): Quit: Leaving
2752[2017-12-01 09:57:57] <MuckySocks> proverb ffs
2753[2017-12-01 09:58:04] <MuckySocks> its cant
2754[2017-12-01 10:01:24] <nomic> FEK I MISSED NETFLIX
2755[2017-12-01 10:01:26] <nomic> NETFLIX ROCKS
2756[2017-12-01 10:01:43] — nomic stares at nelluk
2757[2017-12-01 10:02:24] <nomic> the martian!  what a great movie .. good to have this back on stream
2758[2017-12-01 10:02:27] <nomic> YEAH!
2759[2017-12-01 10:03:12] <Nelluk> good film
2760[2017-12-01 10:03:16] <Nelluk> really groundbreaking
2761[2017-12-01 10:04:07] <Elegrant> didn't IMDb use to have details about soundtrack on film and tv entries?
2762[2017-12-01 10:06:13] <JamGobbar> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/opinion/trump-is-cracking-up.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
2763[2017-12-01 10:06:16] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump Is Cracking Up - The New York Times
2764[2017-12-01 10:09:34] <nomic> UPDATE: the martian was SHIT .. it is the worst movie ever made .. the largest waste of money .. the most hyped ... UTTER SHIT (correction) .. 
2765[2017-12-01 10:09:43] <nomic> THE WORST MOVIE EVER MADE
2766[2017-12-01 10:09:51] <nomic> imdb 8.2
2767[2017-12-01 10:12:25] <nomic> is trump gonna get impeached?
2768[2017-12-01 10:12:37] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: The GOP Plan Is the Biggest Tax Increase in American History, By Far <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/the-gop-plan-is-the-biggest-tax-increase-in-american-history-by-far/>
2769[2017-12-01 10:12:38] <raijin> no
2770[2017-12-01 10:13:14] <zapster> http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=20592
2771[2017-12-01 10:13:15] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump's HHS Nominee 'Should be Under Criminal Investigation'
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2774[2017-12-01 10:14:08] <omegaman>  Joy Lin‏Verified account @joyindc 2h2 hours ago  Joy Lin Retweeted This Week  ABC News’ @BrianRoss reports that Flynn is prepared to testify President Trump directed him to make contact with Russians 
2775[2017-12-01 10:14:49] <omegaman>  The Hill‏Verified account @thehill 10m10 minutes ago  Stocks plunge after report that Flynn will testify that Trump ordered him to contact Russian officials http://hill.cm/jkSViRL
2776[2017-12-01 10:14:50] <rabble_bot> ^ Stocks plunge after reports Flynn will testify against Trump | TheHill
2777[2017-12-01 10:14:57] <JamGobbar> http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/mike-flynn-indictment-analysis/index.html
2778[2017-12-01 10:14:58] <rabble_bot> ^ Donald Trump has an absolutely massive problem: Michael Flynn's guilty plea - CNNPolitics
2779[2017-12-01 10:15:01] <MuckySocks> MAKE CONTACT WITH RUSSIANS
2780[2017-12-01 10:15:11] <MuckySocks> is that bad ?
2781[2017-12-01 10:15:23] <Nelluk> might be. might not be. sure doesnt look good.
2782[2017-12-01 10:15:28] <omegaman>  Brian Klaas‏Verified account @brianklaas 3m3 minutes ago  Trump’s net approval is now minus 26. His approval is just 34%, his 2nd lowest. 60% disapprove. And those catastrophic numbers are before the Flynn news was known. 
2783[2017-12-01 10:15:29] <JamGobbar> it is when you collude with them to get a candidate elected
2784[2017-12-01 10:15:39] <Nelluk> if its to MAKE CONTACT WITH THE RUSSIANS for the purpose of getting damaging info on Hillary, then yes it is bad
2785[2017-12-01 10:15:46] <schwizz> which remind you there is 0 evidence thus far of
2786[2017-12-01 10:15:57] <JamGobbar> lol
2787[2017-12-01 10:16:04] <omegaman> 0 evidence of what?
2788[2017-12-01 10:16:25] <schwizz> the trump campaign breaking any laws aroudn the election involving the russians
2789[2017-12-01 10:16:38] <schwizz> collusion in a sense, but illegal collusion
2790[2017-12-01 10:16:39] <omegaman> but...flynn just..plead...guilty...schwizz.
2791[2017-12-01 10:16:48] <JamGobbar> rofl
2792[2017-12-01 10:16:49] <schwizz> he pled guilty to lieing to the FBI
2793[2017-12-01 10:16:51] <omegaman> and..flynn...was on...the campaign.
2794[2017-12-01 10:17:00] <schwizz> thats eh law that was broken
2795[2017-12-01 10:17:11] <omegaman> but you specifically said "any laws"
2796[2017-12-01 10:17:13] <schwizz> not some collusion with a foreign gov based law
2797[2017-12-01 10:17:13] <JamGobbar> just wow
2798[2017-12-01 10:17:15] <JamGobbar> lmao
2799[2017-12-01 10:17:25] <schwizz> it has nothing to do with russia nd hte campaign
2800[2017-12-01 10:17:35] <omegaman> he was talking to russians schwizz, thats what he lied about
2801[2017-12-01 10:17:46] <schwizz> but thats not illegal
2802[2017-12-01 10:17:54] <schwizz> its not illegal to talk to any russsians
2803[2017-12-01 10:17:57] <MuckySocks> so he was the campaign manager ?
2804[2017-12-01 10:17:59] <omegaman> he just plead guilty to making false statements about it schwizz 
2805[2017-12-01 10:17:59] <JamGobbar> heheheh
2806[2017-12-01 10:18:02] <schwizz> what law was broken here?
2807[2017-12-01 10:18:07] <omegaman> lying to the fbi schwizz 
2808[2017-12-01 10:18:07] <schwizz> otehr than he lied ot the FBI
2809[2017-12-01 10:18:16] <omegaman> im pretty sure thats the one.
2810[2017-12-01 10:18:19] <schwizz> which zapster pointed out correctly that pretty much everyone can be charged with that
2811[2017-12-01 10:18:29] <omegaman> ok cool
2812[2017-12-01 10:18:33] <omegaman> but he plead guilty
2813[2017-12-01 10:18:40] — JamGobbar watches as schwizz bends himself into a pretzel to wiggle out of having to admit this does not look good
2814[2017-12-01 10:18:43] <schwizz> right
2815[2017-12-01 10:18:49] <schwizz> he pled guilty to lieing to the FBI lol
2816[2017-12-01 10:18:50] <omegaman> so he's guilty of a crime
2817[2017-12-01 10:18:55] <schwizz> yes leiing
2818[2017-12-01 10:18:58] <omegaman> involving lying about talking to russians
2819[2017-12-01 10:19:06] <zapster> the problem is that it has nothing to do with what the investigation is supposedly investigating. and talking to russians is not illegal
2820[2017-12-01 10:19:10] <schwizz> that part wasnt illegal
2821[2017-12-01 10:19:10] <omegaman> ergo, a law was broken on the trump campaign, regarding talking to russians.
2822[2017-12-01 10:19:12] <MuckySocks> https://youtu.be/zl_kJwz0yx4
2823[2017-12-01 10:19:13] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - The Ronettes - Frosty The Snowman (Music Video) :: Duration: 02:15
2824[2017-12-01 10:19:16] <schwizz> he would be charged with other crimes
2825[2017-12-01 10:19:21] <schwizz> if somehitng was illegal about what he did
2826[2017-12-01 10:19:21] <omegaman> he would be wouldnt he.
2827[2017-12-01 10:19:24] <omegaman> right
2828[2017-12-01 10:19:26] <schwizz> the only law he broke was lieing
2829[2017-12-01 10:19:28] <omegaman> unless you made a deal.
2830[2017-12-01 10:19:29] <schwizz> as charged
2831[2017-12-01 10:19:36] <JamGobbar> he made a deal mofo
2832[2017-12-01 10:19:36] <schwizz> what was the deal?
2833[2017-12-01 10:19:40] <zapster> was it? or is it a witch hunt, and they've threatened him to force him to plead guilty, as the FBI is wont to do
2834[2017-12-01 10:19:42] <omegaman> we dont know yet schwizz .
2835[2017-12-01 10:19:46] <MuckySocks> so all these PACs, there's laws about where they can get their money ?
2836[2017-12-01 10:19:50] <omegaman> who cares if its a witch hunt? theres nothing you can do about it
2837[2017-12-01 10:19:50] <schwizz> oh well then its just wild speculation
2838[2017-12-01 10:19:59] <omegaman> its speculation, i wouldnt say its wild
2839[2017-12-01 10:20:05] <schwizz> that there was some other illegal activity he was pleaing ot reduce the result of it
2840[2017-12-01 10:20:07] <zapster> did what he supposedly lied about have something to do with the elections? 
2841[2017-12-01 10:20:08] <omegaman> just like its speculation that he did not commit any other crimes.
2842[2017-12-01 10:20:16] <schwizz> pleading guilty doesnt mean a deal
2843[2017-12-01 10:20:21] <schwizz> is it a plea deal or a guilty plea?
2844[2017-12-01 10:20:23] <schwizz> different things
2845[2017-12-01 10:20:25] <omegaman> it doesnt mean it doesnt mean a deal either
2846[2017-12-01 10:20:28] <zapster> what crime is in there? was that lie to cover up a real criminal act? 
2847[2017-12-01 10:20:33] <omegaman> they can be concurrent things schwizz 
2848[2017-12-01 10:20:41] <zapster> is there evidence of anything except not remembering something correctly? 
2849[2017-12-01 10:20:42] <schwizz> well which is it?
2850[2017-12-01 10:20:51] <omegaman> how would i know that schwizz?
2851[2017-12-01 10:20:57] <omegaman> how would you know that?
2852[2017-12-01 10:20:57] <schwizz> its not secret
2853[2017-12-01 10:20:58] <schwizz> llol
2854[2017-12-01 10:21:03] <omegaman> whats not secret?
2855[2017-12-01 10:21:13] <zapster> what did he supposedly lie about, exactly? 
2856[2017-12-01 10:21:21] <omegaman> he didnt supposedly lie
2857[2017-12-01 10:21:22] <omegaman> he did lie
2858[2017-12-01 10:21:24] <omegaman> he plead guilty.
2859[2017-12-01 10:21:27] <omegaman> that matter is settled.
2860[2017-12-01 10:21:28] <zapster> what about? 
2861[2017-12-01 10:21:32] <omegaman> google it
2862[2017-12-01 10:21:37] <schwizz> pleading guilty doesnt mean guilt though
2863[2017-12-01 10:21:38] <zapster> people often plead guilty to things they didn't do
2864[2017-12-01 10:21:39] <schwizz> its often cheaper
2865[2017-12-01 10:21:43] <schwizz> you have to be careful
2866[2017-12-01 10:21:46] <zapster> this is typical
2867[2017-12-01 10:21:49] <MuckySocks> so i could start the Great Russian PAC and take money from Russian businessmen to get a sympathetic candidate elected ?
2868[2017-12-01 10:21:49] <omegaman> people often plead guilty to things they did do aas well
2869[2017-12-01 10:21:54] <schwizz> its way cheaper to just plead guilty than to try and fight it
2870[2017-12-01 10:21:56] <omegaman> i am being careful schwizz 
2871[2017-12-01 10:22:02] <omegaman> it is schwizz, thats correct.
2872[2017-12-01 10:22:02] <zapster> so we still don't know if any actual crime was committed
2873[2017-12-01 10:22:06] <schwizz> and its not any proof of russian collujsion with the election
2874[2017-12-01 10:22:09] <zapster> but you want it to be 
2875[2017-12-01 10:22:12] <omegaman> we do, in the court of law he plead guilty
2876[2017-12-01 10:22:17] <omegaman> ergo, legally, a crime was committed
2877[2017-12-01 10:22:19] <omegaman> that he plead guilty to
2878[2017-12-01 10:22:20] <schwizz> well is it a plea deal
2879[2017-12-01 10:22:22] <omegaman> this is fact.
2880[2017-12-01 10:22:22] <schwizz> or pleading guilty
2881[2017-12-01 10:22:23] <schwizz> llol
2882[2017-12-01 10:22:23] <zapster> which the innocent do all the time
2883[2017-12-01 10:22:30] <omegaman> but you dont know hes innocent
2884[2017-12-01 10:22:30] <zapster> and that does not mean any crime was committed
2885[2017-12-01 10:22:35] <schwizz> even so, pleading guilty doesnt mean you are guilty
2886[2017-12-01 10:22:35] <omegaman> he plead guilty, legally, he is guilty
2887[2017-12-01 10:22:36] <zapster> and you don't know he's guilty
2888[2017-12-01 10:22:43] <omegaman> in the court of law it makes you guilty schwizz 
2889[2017-12-01 10:22:46] <schwizz> peoplel plead guilty because its more economical as one reason
2890[2017-12-01 10:22:47] <omegaman> he will be going to prison
2891[2017-12-01 10:22:54] <schwizz> theres no law that says you have to be guilty to plea guilty
2892[2017-12-01 10:22:57] <omegaman> thats true schwizz, but also irrelevant
2893[2017-12-01 10:22:58] <schwizz> you can do it for a number of reasons
2894[2017-12-01 10:22:59] <zapster> and of course, whether he actually is guilty is immaterial to you
2895[2017-12-01 10:23:04] <MuckySocks> what a pointless point
2896[2017-12-01 10:23:06] <omegaman> legally he has been found guilty, because he plead guilty.
2897[2017-12-01 10:23:07] <omegaman> in court
2898[2017-12-01 10:23:10] <omegaman> before a judge
2899[2017-12-01 10:23:20] <schwizz> the whole point is if what he lied abotu was illegal, we would see charges for taht
2900[2017-12-01 10:23:21] <zapster> and, as usual, the truth doesn't matter
2901[2017-12-01 10:23:22] <omegaman> whether he did something or not isnt relevant now, because he plead guilty.
2902[2017-12-01 10:23:29] <omegaman> the truth is he plead guilty zapster 
2903[2017-12-01 10:23:30] <schwizz> there are no charges so whatever he lied about wasnt illegal
2904[2017-12-01 10:23:38] <schwizz> as far was they can proove
2905[2017-12-01 10:23:41] <schwizz> atlleats
2906[2017-12-01 10:23:42] <omegaman> there were charges that he plead guilty to schwizz 
2907[2017-12-01 10:23:45] <zapster> if it's a plea deal, he won't be going to jail 
2908[2017-12-01 10:23:45] <omegaman> in court
2909[2017-12-01 10:23:47] <schwizz> the act he lied about isnt criminal
2910[2017-12-01 10:23:48] <omegaman> before a judge
2911[2017-12-01 10:23:51] <schwizz> just hte act of a lie
2912[2017-12-01 10:23:53] <zapster> and all it is is theater
2913[2017-12-01 10:23:55] <omegaman> a plea deal can still involve jail time
2914[2017-12-01 10:24:00] <omegaman> how do you know its theater?
2915[2017-12-01 10:24:00] <zapster> but it won't
2916[2017-12-01 10:24:04] <MuckySocks> so candidates can get their money from anywhere ?  aren't there any limits ?
2917[2017-12-01 10:24:08] <zapster> because there's no crime there anywhere
2918[2017-12-01 10:24:13] <zapster> so far as we know
2919[2017-12-01 10:24:16] <omegaman> but he plead guilty to a crime
2920[2017-12-01 10:24:16] <MuckySocks> is there an expectation of transparency ?
2921[2017-12-01 10:24:37] <schwizz> not to a crime relevent to the inestigation though
2922[2017-12-01 10:24:43] <omegaman> we'll see
2923[2017-12-01 10:24:44] <zapster> or he caved in to the considerable pressure the fbi can bring even when you're innocent
2924[2017-12-01 10:24:47] <schwizz> we have seen
2925[2017-12-01 10:24:50] <schwizz> they didnt charge him
2926[2017-12-01 10:24:52] <omegaman> oh well zapster 
2927[2017-12-01 10:24:52] <schwizz> just hte lie
2928[2017-12-01 10:24:53] <omegaman> sucks for him
2929[2017-12-01 10:24:56] <omegaman> he still plead guilty
2930[2017-12-01 10:24:58] <zapster> a guilty plea to them is meaningless 
2931[2017-12-01 10:25:00] <omegaman> how do you know its a lie?
2932[2017-12-01 10:25:07] <schwizz> you dont get it omegaman
2933[2017-12-01 10:25:11] <zapster> how do you know it isn't?
2934[2017-12-01 10:25:14] <omegaman> i dont
2935[2017-12-01 10:25:16] <omegaman> i never claimed to
2936[2017-12-01 10:25:19] <omegaman> i do get it schwizz 
2937[2017-12-01 10:25:20] <zapster> the fbi has a habit of framing the innocent, you know 
2938[2017-12-01 10:25:25] <omegaman> zapster: oh well
2939[2017-12-01 10:25:25] <zapster> they do it all the time
2940[2017-12-01 10:25:25] <MuckySocks> tfw people argue sincerely with schwizz 
2941[2017-12-01 10:25:34] <omegaman> zapster: neat
2942[2017-12-01 10:25:39] <omegaman> he still plead guilty.
2943[2017-12-01 10:25:45] <omegaman> nothing is going to change that.
2944[2017-12-01 10:25:59] <zapster> and truth doesn't matter to you. you want him guilty, so that's fine with you. 
2945[2017-12-01 10:26:00] <schwizz> alll it prooves is the investigation goes on
2946[2017-12-01 10:26:00] <zapster> got it
2947[2017-12-01 10:26:03] <schwizz> and they still have nothing
2948[2017-12-01 10:26:03] <omegaman> it does matter to me
2949[2017-12-01 10:26:05] <omegaman> he plead guilty
2950[2017-12-01 10:26:08] <omegaman> thats the truth
2951[2017-12-01 10:26:11] <schwizz> its just prooving ot be a big waist of money
2952[2017-12-01 10:26:14] <omegaman> im not arguing anything more or less
2953[2017-12-01 10:26:17] <omegaman> schwizz: oh well
2954[2017-12-01 10:26:24] <schwizz> yah thats what i say
2955[2017-12-01 10:26:25] <zapster> obviously it does not matter whether he is innocent or guilty. you're happy that he might be being framed. 
2956[2017-12-01 10:26:28] <schwizz> they are prooving trump innocent
2957[2017-12-01 10:26:33] <omegaman> im not happy or sad or anything
2958[2017-12-01 10:26:43] <schwizz> let them keep going with nothing
2959[2017-12-01 10:26:47] <omegaman> even if it matters if he is innocent or guilty, he still plead guilty.
2960[2017-12-01 10:26:50] <omegaman> that has happened.
2961[2017-12-01 10:26:52] <omegaman> it occurred, today.
2962[2017-12-01 10:26:57] <schwizz> it will make firing people easier when its over lol
2963[2017-12-01 10:27:03] <omegaman> we'll see
2964[2017-12-01 10:27:10] <zapster> https://www.rt.com/uk/411670-cannabis-bipolar-disorder-science/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS
2965[2017-12-01 10:27:11] <rabble_bot> ^ Teenage cannabis use linked to bipolar disorder in later life — RT UK News
2966[2017-12-01 10:27:29] <schwizz> rt propoganda sigh
2967[2017-12-01 10:28:08] <zapster> the writer didn't quite understand the report. the real disorder is hypomania, not bipolar
2968[2017-12-01 10:28:30] <zapster> next is to find out who funded the study
2969[2017-12-01 10:28:38] <rabble_bot> News from amcon: Why is Defense Waste Taboo in the Tax Debate? <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-is-defense-waste-taboo-in-the-tax-debate/>
2970[2017-12-01 10:28:39] <rabble_bot> News from amcon: The Week’s Most Interesting Reads <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-weeks-most-interesting-reads-190/>
2971[2017-12-01 10:28:46] <omegaman> so what? its just an article
2972[2017-12-01 10:28:51] <MuckySocks> DEFENCE
2973[2017-12-01 10:28:54] <zapster> https://academic.oup.com/schizophreniabulletin/advance-article/doi/10.1093/schbul/sbx158/4668709
2974[2017-12-01 10:28:55] <rabble_bot> ^ Cannabis Use and Hypomania in Young People: A Prospective Analysis | Schizophrenia Bulletin | Oxford Academic
2975[2017-12-01 10:30:26] <schwizz> lets see use pot when oyu are young to get the condition
2976[2017-12-01 10:30:30] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Matt Schlapp Blames Obama For 'Unmasking' Mike Flynn <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/mat-schlapp-blames-obama-administration>
2977[2017-12-01 10:30:31] <zapster> it's another chicken-or-egg thing. no indication that it actually causes it 
2978[2017-12-01 10:30:32] <schwizz> then use pot when you are old to treat it
2979[2017-12-01 10:30:34] <schwizz> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/13593623_The_Use_of_Cannabis_as_a_Mood_Stabilizer_in_Bipolar_Disorder_Anecdotal_Evidence_and_the_Need_for_Clinical_Research
2980[2017-12-01 10:30:37] <rabble_bot> ^ The Use of Cannabis as a Mood Stabilizer in Bipolar Disorder: Anecdotal Evidence and the Need for Clinical Research (PDF Download Available)
2981[2017-12-01 10:30:51] <zapster> or maybe you already had the condition and used more pot because of it 
2982[2017-12-01 10:30:53] <zapster> *shrug* 
2983[2017-12-01 10:30:57] <schwizz> i wish more drugs where like that lol
2984[2017-12-01 10:31:14] <zapster> this indicates an association, not a cause
2985[2017-12-01 10:31:29] <MuckySocks> if we'd been breeding them for thousands of years, maybe more drugs would be like that
2986[2017-12-01 10:31:49] <zapster> https://www.rt.com/usa/411650-rt-america-congress-accreditation/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS
2987[2017-12-01 10:31:50] <rabble_bot> ^ ‘US closing down free speech in the name of free speech’ – George Galloway — RT US News
2988[2017-12-01 10:31:52] <zapster> indeed it is
2989[2017-12-01 10:32:10] <zapster>  It is the ultimate Catch-22 when you make someone register as a ‘foreign agent’ and then ban them because they are ‘foreign agents,' said broadcaster, and former British MP George Galloway on RT America being stripped of Capitol Hill credentials. 
2990[2017-12-01 10:32:50] <MuckySocks> so you can have Russian money but no Russian press ?
2991[2017-12-01 10:33:04] <MuckySocks> in America
2992[2017-12-01 10:33:21] <zapster> Richard Black, Republican Virginia state senator, says that while the US talks about having a free press, it’s in fact heavily controlled.
2993[2017-12-01 10:33:35] ⇐ boz quit (~boz@unaffiliated/boz): Quit: Well, that was fun
2994[2017-12-01 10:33:50] <omegaman> who cares
2995[2017-12-01 10:33:55] <zapster> it's not russian press either. it's american press that have the temerity to report things the establishment doesn't want them reporting. 
2996[2017-12-01 10:33:59] <schwizz> stop using the major platforms
2997[2017-12-01 10:34:10] <omegaman> then dont vote for them in the next election
2998[2017-12-01 10:34:24] <zapster> Richard Black:… The American news media have long been centrally controlled. While we talk about having a free press, it actually is quite heavily controlled, particularly in the area of foreign policy. What this decision does: number one, it tightens the media’s censorship over information that reaches the American public; secondly, it cuts competition by RT News to ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox News.
2999[2017-12-01 10:34:24] <schwizz> twitter facebook google, all the biggest threat to free speech
3000[2017-12-01 10:34:26] <zapster> bingo..
3001[2017-12-01 10:34:36] <zapster> with rigged elections, how will that help?
3002[2017-12-01 10:34:47] <omegaman> i dont know zapster. guess theres nothing that can be done
3003[2017-12-01 10:34:55] <zapster> I don’t think it is any secret that RT News has had sort of an explosion of popularity with the American public because they feel that they can obtain news there that is censored from the mainstream media. Hopefully, RT News will be able to bypass this because the information that is received from RT News is absolutely vital to an informed public being able to make decisions.
3004[2017-12-01 10:35:09] <omegaman> guess we should all just sit here on irc all day whining about things we have no control over and cannot change
3005[2017-12-01 10:35:10] <zapster> by cutting off information to us, we'll be even less able to fight them. 
3006[2017-12-01 10:35:20] <omegaman> then do something
3007[2017-12-01 10:35:23] <zapster> why don't you go do something then? 
3008[2017-12-01 10:35:27] <RandomCouch> Control what people see -> Control what people think
3009[2017-12-01 10:35:29] <omegaman> why dont you?
3010[2017-12-01 10:35:30] <zapster> how do you know I don't? 
3011[2017-12-01 10:35:32] <omegaman> im not the one with the problem
3012[2017-12-01 10:35:38] <omegaman> because you dont state what youre doing
3013[2017-12-01 10:35:41] <omegaman> thats how i know you dont
3014[2017-12-01 10:35:41] <zapster> then why are you here? 
3015[2017-12-01 10:35:45] <omegaman> to discuss news.
3016[2017-12-01 10:35:49] <omegaman> and breaking events.
3017[2017-12-01 10:35:51] <schwizz> but you have to be carefu with RT
3018[2017-12-01 10:35:51] <omegaman> why are you here?
3019[2017-12-01 10:36:12] <zapster> I post what I do on a regular basis. you didn't see the posts about *call the senate NOW* that I posted earlier? did you call the senate? 
3020[2017-12-01 10:36:18] <schwizz> still goes back to the gov, which primarly cares about its competing economy
3021[2017-12-01 10:36:20] <zapster> I did
3022[2017-12-01 10:36:24] <zapster> did you?
3023[2017-12-01 10:36:28] <omegaman> what do you expect your posts in your obscure irc chat channel to accomplish exactly zapster
3024[2017-12-01 10:36:29] <schwizz> so its all propoganda on some level
3025[2017-12-01 10:36:38] <omegaman> why would i call the senate zapster?
3026[2017-12-01 10:36:40] <zapster> hopefully to get you to call the senate too
3027[2017-12-01 10:36:49] <omegaman> you didnt say to do that zapster 
3028[2017-12-01 10:36:52] <zapster> to stop the tax bill. to stop ajit pai
3029[2017-12-01 10:36:54] <zapster> etc. 
3030[2017-12-01 10:36:56] <zapster> I did too
3031[2017-12-01 10:37:10] <omegaman> to stop RT from losing their credentials?
3032[2017-12-01 10:37:13] <schwizz> its like the argument that the chinese made up climate change to hurt the USA
3033[2017-12-01 10:37:32] <omegaman> and what good would calling the senate do zapster?
3034[2017-12-01 10:37:38] <zapster> what do you think I should do. bomb the capital? 
3035[2017-12-01 10:37:40] <schwizz> ok they didnt make up anything, but the paris accord does give the chinese economy an advantage of the USA, the biggest competitor
3036[2017-12-01 10:37:40] <omegaman> if voting doesnt work
3037[2017-12-01 10:37:49] <omegaman> im not telling you what to do zapster 
3038[2017-12-01 10:37:55] <omegaman> is that what you think you should do?
3039[2017-12-01 10:38:00] <zapster> slamming them with calls often does appear to work, if enough do it. 
3040[2017-12-01 10:38:06] <omegaman> maybe we should get the FBI on the line about your thoughts of bombing the capital
3041[2017-12-01 10:38:07] <zapster> they do have to live in their districts 
3042[2017-12-01 10:38:14] <zapster> it is something you CAN do. 
3043[2017-12-01 10:38:16] <omegaman> so what? you said elections are rigged
3044[2017-12-01 10:38:26] <omegaman> i specifically stated to vote for someone else in the next election
3045[2017-12-01 10:38:32] <omegaman> you said to call them
3046[2017-12-01 10:38:39] <omegaman> why would they care if the elections are rigged
3047[2017-12-01 10:38:46] <RandomCouch> right wing media trying to muddy the waters of net neutrality
3048[2017-12-01 10:38:51] <zapster> they are. but not everywhere all at once, usually.  so there is still an element of uncertainty that has an effect on them, at times 
3049[2017-12-01 10:38:51] <RandomCouch> talking about shit that Google CEO did
3050[2017-12-01 10:38:56] <RandomCouch> and mark zuckerberg
3051[2017-12-01 10:39:03] <RandomCouch> I don't really know what they're talking about
3052[2017-12-01 10:39:03] <omegaman> are you sure about that zapster?
3053[2017-12-01 10:39:06] <omegaman> can you prove that?
3054[2017-12-01 10:39:10] <zapster> high-enough turnout can override the rigging
3055[2017-12-01 10:39:20] <omegaman> so elections do work then
3056[2017-12-01 10:39:21] <omegaman> got it
3057[2017-12-01 10:39:23] <zapster> yes. I can. but since you won't read anything I post, I won't bother
3058[2017-12-01 10:39:26] <omegaman> good talk
3059[2017-12-01 10:39:31] <zapster> only if enough people turn out
3060[2017-12-01 10:39:36] <zapster> and then not always.
3061[2017-12-01 10:39:41] <zapster> GW Bush did lose both elections 
3062[2017-12-01 10:39:44] <zapster> by large margins
3063[2017-12-01 10:39:44] <omegaman> but they do work
3064[2017-12-01 10:39:46] <zapster> :\
3065[2017-12-01 10:39:51] <zapster> not always
3066[2017-12-01 10:39:54] <omegaman> but they do work
3067[2017-12-01 10:39:58] <schwizz> what rules are they going to with net nuetrality
3068[2017-12-01 10:39:59] <zapster> which ones?
3069[2017-12-01 10:40:00] <omegaman> got it
3070[2017-12-01 10:40:03] <omegaman> you tell me
3071[2017-12-01 10:40:03] <zapster> some don't 
3072[2017-12-01 10:40:05] <omegaman> you said some work
3073[2017-12-01 10:40:12] <schwizz> is it a rollbock to the old rules or is it new rules
3074[2017-12-01 10:40:15] <omegaman> how do you pick and choose which ones do and do not work
3075[2017-12-01 10:40:20] <omegaman> whats the criteria? turnout?
3076[2017-12-01 10:40:25] <zapster> most don't, judging by the losses of thousands of seats by dems over the last 10 years 
3077[2017-12-01 10:40:36] <zapster> a situation that is statistically impossible
3078[2017-12-01 10:40:40] <Nelluk> lol
3079[2017-12-01 10:40:44] <zapster> I'd say, collectively, they have not been working 
3080[2017-12-01 10:40:53] <MuckySocks> phoning is great because it shows you care
3081[2017-12-01 10:40:57] <RandomCouch> schwizz, alex jones channel talking about how Google and Facebook profit from Net Neutrality and saying shit like "Yes! We want out of net neutrality please!" and they are idolizing Ajit Pai
3082[2017-12-01 10:41:01] <schwizz> not when you have obama
3083[2017-12-01 10:41:18] <schwizz> he sets records, the great divider
3084[2017-12-01 10:41:19] <schwizz> lol
3085[2017-12-01 10:41:28] <schwizz> they do profit in a sense
3086[2017-12-01 10:41:29] <omegaman> so collectively elections dont work
3087[2017-12-01 10:41:30] <omegaman> got it
3088[2017-12-01 10:41:36] <schwizz> where the ISPs are their competition
3089[2017-12-01 10:41:41] <omegaman> but collectively we should call the senators who are voted in by these rigged elections
3090[2017-12-01 10:41:41] <schwizz> so by putting more regulations on them
3091[2017-12-01 10:41:42] <omegaman> got it
3092[2017-12-01 10:41:49] <RandomCouch> schwizz, they would profit a lot more without net neutrality
3093[2017-12-01 10:41:51] <zapster> you can givve them the impression that enough people will become interested to force a clean election against them :)
3094[2017-12-01 10:41:52] <schwizz> of course silicon valley would support it
3095[2017-12-01 10:41:55] <RandomCouch> because they would be able to eliminate all their competition
3096[2017-12-01 10:42:09] <schwizz> how do you figure?
3097[2017-12-01 10:42:11] <RandomCouch> they can afford to do that
3098[2017-12-01 10:42:16] <zapster> At the same time, we see efforts by YouTube and by Twitter to censor RT News. The fact is that the truth that is being revealed by RT News to the American public is undermining the ability of the military-industrial complex to wage these wars in foreign countries. Public support just continues to dip lower and lower for waging war all over the world, which is what we [the US] are doing right now.
3099[2017-12-01 10:42:16] <MuckySocks> just totally remove the competition from the market
3100[2017-12-01 10:42:17] <RandomCouch> considering they are already giants
3101[2017-12-01 10:42:24] <schwizz> does facebook and google have any competition right now?
3102[2017-12-01 10:42:26] <schwizz> no
3103[2017-12-01 10:42:26] <RandomCouch> pay the ISPs top money to have their content go through first
3104[2017-12-01 10:42:28] <omegaman> twitter has an amazing lunch area
3105[2017-12-01 10:42:35] <schwizz> they control basically everything
3106[2017-12-01 10:42:39] <schwizz> content wise
3107[2017-12-01 10:42:42] <omegaman> really enjoyed eating there
3108[2017-12-01 10:42:43] <MuckySocks> its like giving walmarts control of town planning
3109[2017-12-01 10:42:44] <omegaman> many times
3110[2017-12-01 10:42:46] <RandomCouch> schwizz, I'm okay with that though
3111[2017-12-01 10:42:53] <schwizz> its not good right now
3112[2017-12-01 10:42:54] <RandomCouch> they do a good job controlling it
3113[2017-12-01 10:43:01] <schwizz> they are sensoring free speech admittedly
3114[2017-12-01 10:43:03] <omegaman> its great right now, the food options are amazing
3115[2017-12-01 10:43:04] <schwizz> no they dont
3116[2017-12-01 10:43:09] <schwizz> they are political in motive
3117[2017-12-01 10:43:12] <omegaman> so what/
3118[2017-12-01 10:43:14] <RandomCouch> schwizz, hm, can I have examples of this censoring?
3119[2017-12-01 10:43:19] <omegaman> whats wrong with being political?
3120[2017-12-01 10:43:23] <omegaman> whats wrong with censoring?
3121[2017-12-01 10:43:34] <RandomCouch> I guess it sucks we can't openly say nigger
3122[2017-12-01 10:43:36] <MuckySocks> they will still censor anyway
3123[2017-12-01 10:43:39] <schwizz> nothign if nothign is wrong with slavery
3124[2017-12-01 10:43:48] <omegaman> twitter is enslaving people? ok.
3125[2017-12-01 10:43:52] <omegaman> good point there.
3126[2017-12-01 10:43:53] <schwizz> if its ok to be controlled, then nohting is wrong with sensorinv
3127[2017-12-01 10:43:59] <schwizz> but its not ok
3128[2017-12-01 10:44:00] <omegaman> i didnt know twitter had slave camps
3129[2017-12-01 10:44:11] <RandomCouch> There has to be SOME gateway control schwizz 
3130[2017-12-01 10:44:14] <omegaman> if zapster bans someone in here, is that not ok schwizz?
3131[2017-12-01 10:44:18] <RandomCouch> otherwise your internet would be riddled with a lot of useless shit
3132[2017-12-01 10:44:19] <schwizz> there is
3133[2017-12-01 10:44:24] <schwizz> they go after pedos
3134[2017-12-01 10:44:27] <schwizz> and criminal networks
3135[2017-12-01 10:44:28] <RandomCouch> Yeah
3136[2017-12-01 10:44:35] <RandomCouch> Which is good
3137[2017-12-01 10:44:36] <MuckySocks> isn't it full of useless shit ?
3138[2017-12-01 10:44:39] <schwizz> well youtube doesnt do much
3139[2017-12-01 10:44:44] <schwizz> the gov does
3140[2017-12-01 10:44:51] <zapster> https://www.texasobserver.org/klick-bait-texas-medical-marijuana-facility-honors-conservative-lawmaker-pot-strain/
3141[2017-12-01 10:44:52] <schwizz> whihc is the gate keeper , law enforcement
3142[2017-12-01 10:44:52] <rabble_bot> ^ Texas Medical Marijuana Facility Honors Conservative Lawmaker with Pot Strain
3143[2017-12-01 10:44:54] <zapster> unny
3144[2017-12-01 10:44:55] <zapster> funny
3145[2017-12-01 10:44:57] <schwizz> they go after illegal activity
3146[2017-12-01 10:45:03] <schwizz> words arent illegal
3147[2017-12-01 10:45:11] <schwizz> you shouldnt censor info
3148[2017-12-01 10:45:14] <omegaman> no one claimed they were
3149[2017-12-01 10:45:18] <schwizz> maybe illegal actions then thats fine
3150[2017-12-01 10:45:19] <schwizz> they are
3151[2017-12-01 10:45:22] <omegaman> twitter can do whatever they want on their platform schwizz 
3152[2017-12-01 10:45:23] <omegaman> fact.
3153[2017-12-01 10:45:24] <schwizz> thehy just admitted to it under oath
3154[2017-12-01 10:45:27] <schwizz> liek a month ago
3155[2017-12-01 10:45:28] <zapster> shutting down our access to information because they disapprove of it is both insulting and unconstitutional
3156[2017-12-01 10:45:29] <schwizz> during hearings
3157[2017-12-01 10:45:32] <omegaman> twitter is not a government entity
3158[2017-12-01 10:45:39] <RandomCouch> Mhm, the only control google has is in their own platform
3159[2017-12-01 10:45:42] <RandomCouch> and the sites they own
3160[2017-12-01 10:45:44] <schwizz> thats teh debate
3161[2017-12-01 10:45:52] <schwizz> can you if you are twitter
3162[2017-12-01 10:45:55] <zapster> they can go after pedos without cutting off entire news agencies, who, btw, have nothing to do with pedophilia
3163[2017-12-01 10:46:05] <omegaman> how do you know?
3164[2017-12-01 10:46:07] <RandomCouch> so really the fact they have control over the information gateways that THEY have created is fair imo
3165[2017-12-01 10:46:17] <schwizz> or what if you are google
3166[2017-12-01 10:46:24] <omegaman> what if
3167[2017-12-01 10:46:24] <schwizz> twitter is a little different
3168[2017-12-01 10:46:27] <omegaman> is it?
3169[2017-12-01 10:46:29] <schwizz> google is the gateway to all information
3170[2017-12-01 10:46:33] <RandomCouch> no
3171[2017-12-01 10:46:34] <MuckySocks> what if the internet is like the road system
3172[2017-12-01 10:46:35] <omegaman> oh is it?
3173[2017-12-01 10:46:37] <RandomCouch> it's the gateway most people choose
3174[2017-12-01 10:46:39] <schwizz> no one competes with google
3175[2017-12-01 10:46:45] <RandomCouch> but it's not the only source of information
3176[2017-12-01 10:46:52] <schwizz> in the USA atleast
3177[2017-12-01 10:46:56] <RandomCouch> and you know why it's the most popular?
3178[2017-12-01 10:46:59] <RandomCouch> because it's the most efficient
3179[2017-12-01 10:47:02] <RandomCouch> and has been for the longest time
3180[2017-12-01 10:47:13] <zapster> The Texas law is extremely limited — it allows only specific doses from specific facilities for specific patients. It does not include any other ailments aside from epilepsy, and patients must demonstrate that pharmaceuticals have been ineffective.  <-- wouldn't want to put a crimp in the opioid epidemic or anything...
3181[2017-12-01 10:47:15] <RandomCouch> Being good at what they do doesn't mean they're evil
3182[2017-12-01 10:47:21] <schwizz> therse a lot of reasons why, but the point is that is too much control
3183[2017-12-01 10:47:25] <omegaman> so what if theyre evil?
3184[2017-12-01 10:47:30] <RandomCouch> true idc if they are
3185[2017-12-01 10:47:32] <RandomCouch> I like google
3186[2017-12-01 10:47:36] <schwizz> if oyu control how almost everyone access information and you pick what informatoin they see
3187[2017-12-01 10:47:44] <schwizz> thats a lot of power i dont htink we want to give ot a coorp
3188[2017-12-01 10:47:52] <schwizz> who we all blame for a lot of this countries problems
3189[2017-12-01 10:47:53] <schwizz> big coorps
3190[2017-12-01 10:48:10] <RandomCouch> schwizz, and you'd rather the gov have this power?
3191[2017-12-01 10:48:10] <schwizz> you really want one of those evil coorps controlling what informatoin you see?
3192[2017-12-01 10:48:11] <omegaman> what does blaming do?
3193[2017-12-01 10:48:13] <schwizz> and everyone sees
3194[2017-12-01 10:48:19] <RandomCouch> you trust your gov more than google?
3195[2017-12-01 10:48:19] <omegaman> what are you going to do about it schwizz 
3196[2017-12-01 10:48:23] <MuckySocks>  anti-google propaganda comes from its competitors
3197[2017-12-01 10:48:28] <RandomCouch> ^
3198[2017-12-01 10:48:36] <schwizz> keep calling them out
3199[2017-12-01 10:48:37] <RandomCouch> and anti-net neutrality people
3200[2017-12-01 10:48:42] <schwizz> and support legislation that stops it
3201[2017-12-01 10:48:43] <omegaman> what does calling them out do schwizz 
3202[2017-12-01 10:48:50] <schwizz> exposes the problem
3203[2017-12-01 10:48:50] <omegaman> what legislation?!
3204[2017-12-01 10:49:14] <RandomCouch> schwizz, they already control the information I see, and guess what, they give me all the information. I can google articles from both left and right
3205[2017-12-01 10:49:21] <schwizz> who konws, maybe the new net neutrality
3206[2017-12-01 10:49:22] <RandomCouch> there is no political bias in the articles I google
3207[2017-12-01 10:49:23] <schwizz> something has to be done
3208[2017-12-01 10:49:29] <omegaman> something
3209[2017-12-01 10:49:32] <RandomCouch> No, the internet is fine as it currently is.
3210[2017-12-01 10:49:33] <schwizz> its interefeerred with our eelectoins
3211[2017-12-01 10:49:38] <omegaman> has it?
3212[2017-12-01 10:49:39] <schwizz> its manipulated voters
3213[2017-12-01 10:49:44] <omegaman> did it?!
3214[2017-12-01 10:49:48] <schwizz> yah of course
3215[2017-12-01 10:49:55] <MuckySocks> so schwizz thinks google is the only corrupt search engine and giving them the power to pay for others to not be allowed on the network is going to make them behave
3216[2017-12-01 10:49:56] <omegaman> ok cool
3217[2017-12-01 10:50:01] <schwizz> if oyu control the information, you control what people think
3218[2017-12-01 10:50:06] <MuckySocks> so dumb
3219[2017-12-01 10:50:09] <schwizz> controlling it is manipulation
3220[2017-12-01 10:50:19] <RandomCouch> schwizz, you know why no one uses Bing?
3221[2017-12-01 10:50:24] <RandomCouch> and uses Google instead
3222[2017-12-01 10:50:24] <omegaman> would that happen to you schwizz 
3223[2017-12-01 10:50:30] <schwizz> cause its microsoft
3224[2017-12-01 10:50:32] <omegaman> would they control what you thought schwizz 
3225[2017-12-01 10:50:34] <schwizz> and they suck at everything
3226[2017-12-01 10:50:38] <RandomCouch> schwizz, no... Because the user experience just sucks
3227[2017-12-01 10:50:44] <RandomCouch> but yeah
3228[2017-12-01 10:50:44] <schwizz> thats what i said
3229[2017-12-01 10:50:46] <RandomCouch> lol yeah
3230[2017-12-01 10:50:47] <schwizz> its a bad product
3231[2017-12-01 10:50:54] <omegaman> so google is a good product
3232[2017-12-01 10:50:55] <zapster> https://www.texasobserver.org/homelessness-texas-public-schools-suburban-rural-problem/
3233[2017-12-01 10:50:56] <omegaman> got it
3234[2017-12-01 10:50:56] <rabble_bot> ^ Homelessness in Texas Public Schools is a Suburban and Rural Problem, Too
3235[2017-12-01 10:50:58] <RandomCouch> exactly
3236[2017-12-01 10:51:04] <RandomCouch> Google is just better.
3237[2017-12-01 10:51:05] <omegaman> good talk schwizz 
3238[2017-12-01 10:51:07] <zapster> I rarely use google for anything
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3240[2017-12-01 10:51:15] <schwizz> no its not a good product
3241[2017-12-01 10:51:15] <omegaman> ok thanks for letting us know that zapster 
3242[2017-12-01 10:51:16] <zapster> it doesn't get me the best results
3243[2017-12-01 10:51:20] <schwizz> well UI and stuff yah
3244[2017-12-01 10:51:21] <omegaman> oh so there is no good product?
3245[2017-12-01 10:51:22] <schwizz> the content no
3246[2017-12-01 10:51:22] <omegaman> got it
3247[2017-12-01 10:51:25] <RandomCouch> zapster, what do you use?
3248[2017-12-01 10:51:29] <schwizz> its a user friendly product
3249[2017-12-01 10:51:31] <omegaman> can you direct me to a good search engine schwizz 
3250[2017-12-01 10:51:36] <schwizz> but the ffact that they censor the internet
3251[2017-12-01 10:51:41] <schwizz> obviuosly isnt user friendly
3252[2017-12-01 10:51:42] <schwizz> LOL
3253[2017-12-01 10:51:47] <schwizz> but the UIs are nice
3254[2017-12-01 10:51:52] <omegaman> can you direct me to a good search engine schwizz 
3255[2017-12-01 10:51:54] <zapster> start page, ixquick...
3256[2017-12-01 10:51:54] <RandomCouch> schwizz, still waiting on examples of this censorship
3257[2017-12-01 10:51:57] <zapster> ecosia
3258[2017-12-01 10:51:58] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCNdM3mcsEE
3259[2017-12-01 10:51:58] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Miles Davis - A Tribute To Jack Johnson (Full Album) HQ :: Duration: 52:29
3260[2017-12-01 10:52:06] <omegaman> still waiting to see what is wrong with censorship by a company.
3261[2017-12-01 10:52:09] <schwizz> google is your only option
3262[2017-12-01 10:52:12] <omegaman> ok
3263[2017-12-01 10:52:15] <omegaman> so google is the best product
3264[2017-12-01 10:52:16] <omegaman> got it
3265[2017-12-01 10:52:17] <schwizz> whats wrong is they have so much power
3266[2017-12-01 10:52:22] <zapster> duck duck go
3267[2017-12-01 10:52:23] <schwizz> whats wrong is its a huge coorporation
3268[2017-12-01 10:52:29] <omegaman> so what should be done schwizz 
3269[2017-12-01 10:52:32] <schwizz> that is in the game of political censorship
3270[2017-12-01 10:52:33] <RandomCouch> Say I create a public billboard where people can write shit on it, but it's my billboard that I made available to the public
3271[2017-12-01 10:52:35] <schwizz> thats the problem
3272[2017-12-01 10:52:38] <schwizz> do we want that?
3273[2017-12-01 10:52:41] <zapster> if it censors, it's a bad product
3274[2017-12-01 10:52:42] <omegaman> no!
3275[2017-12-01 10:52:42] <RandomCouch> and then some people start writing about how I like to bathe in poop
3276[2017-12-01 10:52:43] <schwizz> it might be legal, but do we want that/
3277[2017-12-01 10:52:45] <zapster> obviously
3278[2017-12-01 10:52:47] <RandomCouch> I have the freedom to censor that
3279[2017-12-01 10:52:49] <omegaman> really?
3280[2017-12-01 10:52:51] <schwizz> do we need to change the laws so it isnt legal to do this
3281[2017-12-01 10:52:53] <omegaman> a good product keeps out spam
3282[2017-12-01 10:52:54] <schwizz> when they are that powerful
3283[2017-12-01 10:52:57] <omegaman> thats a form of censorship
3284[2017-12-01 10:52:58] <schwizz> i woudl say yes
3285[2017-12-01 10:53:06] <omegaman> if someone makes a death threat, and is banned from twitter, is that censorship?
3286[2017-12-01 10:53:16] <zapster> I reserve the right to decide for myself what is a good result. I do not want them filtered in any way
3287[2017-12-01 10:53:17] <schwizz> yes
3288[2017-12-01 10:53:24] <omegaman> then twitter is a bad product
3289[2017-12-01 10:53:25] <RandomCouch> I don't think it's a problem for Google to be involved in politics
3290[2017-12-01 10:53:31] <omegaman> for allowing people to make death threats to other people on it
3291[2017-12-01 10:53:31] <RandomCouch> specially when it is on the consumer's side
3292[2017-12-01 10:53:37] <schwizz> yah twitter is a shitty product
3293[2017-12-01 10:53:38] <schwizz> i agree
3294[2017-12-01 10:53:39] <RandomCouch> and opposes bullshit changes
3295[2017-12-01 10:53:41] <schwizz> one reason i dont use it
3296[2017-12-01 10:53:46] <RandomCouch> like wanting to gut net neutrality
3297[2017-12-01 10:53:50] <omegaman> twitter is great for news.
3298[2017-12-01 10:53:51] <schwizz> noo one cares about all these idiots opinions
3299[2017-12-01 10:53:52] <zapster> if they make a death threat, the police should go talk to them. censorship is a singularly useless response
3300[2017-12-01 10:53:55] <schwizz> its actually nice
3301[2017-12-01 10:53:56] <RandomCouch> if that's their political agenda I'm all for Google
3302[2017-12-01 10:53:56] <schwizz> its like a filter
3303[2017-12-01 10:54:06] <zapster> all that does is see that they don't get investigated and so can carry out the murder they have planned
3304[2017-12-01 10:54:07] <schwizz> peopel spend time on twitter so i dont have to hear there nonsense
3305[2017-12-01 10:54:10] <nomic> spam is the whole market .. spam = 'advertising'
3306[2017-12-01 10:54:10] <omegaman> thats not how it works zapster 
3307[2017-12-01 10:54:18] <omegaman> your opinion isnt shared by the majority of people who use the product
3308[2017-12-01 10:54:25] <omegaman> who do not want to have people making death threats on it
3309[2017-12-01 10:54:29] <zapster> um yeah, it is. if many people see it, it's a good chance many will report it. 
3310[2017-12-01 10:54:29] <omegaman> also you would ban someone from here for that.
3311[2017-12-01 10:54:36] <zapster> if no one sees it, well, they won't be
3312[2017-12-01 10:54:36] <omegaman> oh wait, you dont ban mytho, i forgot
3313[2017-12-01 10:54:39] <schwizz> well the typical twitter use has some seroius issues
3314[2017-12-01 10:54:43] <zapster> actually no, I don't. 
3315[2017-12-01 10:55:07] <zapster> 'death threats' here are jokes. if I thought it was real, I'd call the cops 
3316[2017-12-01 10:55:10] <RandomCouch> You realize the internet is accessible to basically everyone, including kids. You can't just start investigating every single death threat on the internet
3317[2017-12-01 10:55:16] <RandomCouch> that's a waste of police work and time
3318[2017-12-01 10:55:25] <zapster> I will ban for being a dick tho :)
3319[2017-12-01 10:55:32] <omegaman> so will twitter.
3320[2017-12-01 10:55:37] <omegaman> i dont see a problem with that.
3321[2017-12-01 10:56:12] <RandomCouch> 'death threats' online can also be jokes
3322[2017-12-01 10:56:16] <schwizz> neither do i really, its when it comes to censoring politicallly different views of the company, in the name of someting else
3323[2017-12-01 10:56:18] <zapster> no, because 90% of the time they're intended to be funny, for starters. and people can tell that. we live in a culture where most movies and tv shows contain incredible amounts of violence 
3324[2017-12-01 10:56:28] <RandomCouch> also, I see a lot of death threats on youtube comments
3325[2017-12-01 10:56:30] <zapster> reacting to such talk is just plain silly most of the time
3326[2017-12-01 10:56:32] <RandomCouch> Google owns Youtube
3327[2017-12-01 10:56:35] <RandomCouch> so where is the censoring?
3328[2017-12-01 10:56:39] <omegaman> prove 90% of the time zapster
3329[2017-12-01 10:56:44] <RandomCouch> they only censor shit when it's copyrighted
3330[2017-12-01 10:56:45] <zapster> but if someone is seriously threatening, the chance of it being investigated goes up if more people see it 
3331[2017-12-01 10:56:46] <RandomCouch> or trademarked 
3332[2017-12-01 10:56:53] <RandomCouch> or goes against some basic rules
3333[2017-12-01 10:56:55] <schwizz> see thats the problem too, they say they are sensoring for good
3334[2017-12-01 10:57:02] <schwizz> but the they leave stuff that should be reemoved
3335[2017-12-01 10:57:10] <schwizz> and go after stuff that shouldnt be removed
3336[2017-12-01 10:57:11] <omegaman> twitter can ban anyone for any reason they see fit, and theres really nothing you guys can do about it besides simply not using the product.
3337[2017-12-01 10:57:14] <schwizz> in the name of these other things
3338[2017-12-01 10:57:18] <omegaman> i mean thats really the end of the discussion.
3339[2017-12-01 10:57:21] <RandomCouch> schwizz, Like what though?
3340[2017-12-01 10:57:26] <RandomCouch> You still haven't provided examples of what you are talking about
3341[2017-12-01 10:57:29] <RandomCouch> I want to know exactly
3342[2017-12-01 10:57:31] <schwizz> liek a simple dcma
3343[2017-12-01 10:57:38] <schwizz> can be used to knock off videos
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3345[2017-12-01 10:57:41] <RandomCouch> What censoring events are you talking about
3346[2017-12-01 10:57:41] * ChanServ set +v Treefingers
3347[2017-12-01 10:57:43] <schwizz> and they dont even have to tell you why
3348[2017-12-01 10:57:45] <zapster> censorship assumes that the public should not know or see certain things. allowing it for anything leads to political information control, keeping the public from knowing what government and corporations are up to
3349[2017-12-01 10:57:48] <schwizz> this happens alot
3350[2017-12-01 10:57:53] <zapster> that's why we have the first amendment
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3352[2017-12-01 10:57:53] <RandomCouch> give me an example
3353[2017-12-01 10:57:57] <omegaman> what are they up to zapster 
3354[2017-12-01 10:57:58] <schwizz> you know what a DCMA is?
3355[2017-12-01 10:58:11] <RandomCouch> saying "this happens a lot" is the equivalent of trump saying "A very credible source told me obamas birth certificate is fake"
3356[2017-12-01 10:58:25] <zapster> heh, a source never revealed
3357[2017-12-01 10:58:29] <RandomCouch> yep
3358[2017-12-01 10:58:33] <schwizz> i gave you my source
3359[2017-12-01 10:58:35] <schwizz> the hearing lOL
3360[2017-12-01 10:58:35] <RandomCouch> where
3361[2017-12-01 10:58:38] <RandomCouch> ??
3362[2017-12-01 10:58:41] <zapster> this is why I demand proof when claims are made, whether from the left or the right 
3363[2017-12-01 10:58:45] <schwizz> omg do you read the news ever?
3364[2017-12-01 10:58:51] <schwizz> this was like big a month ago
3365[2017-12-01 10:58:56] <schwizz> weve discusseeed it in here
3366[2017-12-01 10:58:57] <RandomCouch> schwizz, can you provide me examples of what you are talking about or not?
3367[2017-12-01 10:58:57] <zapster> does the news contain proof? 
3368[2017-12-01 10:59:06] <schwizz> yah only cause oyu cant google
3369[2017-12-01 10:59:07] <schwizz> hold on....
3370[2017-12-01 10:59:12] <zapster> just because it's 'news' doesn't mean there is evidence for it 
3371[2017-12-01 10:59:15] <RandomCouch> Oh I can google the mistakes google made?
3372[2017-12-01 10:59:18] <RandomCouch> using Google?
3373[2017-12-01 10:59:28] <schwizz> yah funny how easy it is
3374[2017-12-01 10:59:32] <zapster> google is actively suppressing left media. that is proven
3375[2017-12-01 10:59:36] <schwizz> you should learn to research before oyu challenge people
3376[2017-12-01 10:59:40] <schwizz> it saves a lot of time
3377[2017-12-01 10:59:43] <RandomCouch> schwizz,  I am not challenging yuo though
3378[2017-12-01 10:59:48] <RandomCouch> I'm asking you to show me
3379[2017-12-01 10:59:51] <RandomCouch> what you are talking about
3380[2017-12-01 11:00:08] <schwizz> heres an example
3381[2017-12-01 11:00:08] <schwizz> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-01/twitter-admits-it-buried-leaked-clinton-email-tweets-last-two-months-campaign
3382[2017-12-01 11:00:09] <rabble_bot> ^ Twitter Admits It Buried "Podesta Email", DNC Tweets Ahead Of The Presidential Election | Zero Hedge
3383[2017-12-01 11:00:09] <zapster> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article187544143.html#storylink=rss
3384[2017-12-01 11:00:10] <rabble_bot> ^ Interpol reviewing 40,000 wanted notices for political abuse | McClatchy Washington Bureau
3385[2017-12-01 11:00:12] <zapster> interesting
3386[2017-12-01 11:00:19] <zapster> yes, those are actually proven 
3387[2017-12-01 11:00:23] <RandomCouch> " Twitter Admits"
3388[2017-12-01 11:00:25] <schwizz> so do you think twitter should be ivolved in doing this?
3389[2017-12-01 11:00:28] <schwizz> it was under oath
3390[2017-12-01 11:00:32] <schwizz> in a congressional hearing
3391[2017-12-01 11:00:36] <schwizz> ok you can go get the video
3392[2017-12-01 11:00:37] <zapster> youtube is also suppressing shows like lee camp's and TYT and others 
3393[2017-12-01 11:00:40] <zapster> that's also proven
3394[2017-12-01 11:00:41] <schwizz> do a little resaarch
3395[2017-12-01 11:00:42] <MuckySocks> which ixquick do you use ?
3396[2017-12-01 11:00:43] <zapster> also google
3397[2017-12-01 11:00:46] <omegaman> so what zapster 
3398[2017-12-01 11:00:52] <zapster> didn't know there's more than one
3399[2017-12-01 11:01:06] <RandomCouch> schwizz, ok I'm looking it up, thanks.
3400[2017-12-01 11:01:11] <rabble_bot> News from nakedcap: 2:00PM Water Cooler 12/1/2017 <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/200pm-water-cooler-1212017.html>
3401[2017-12-01 11:01:12] <schwizz> you didnt even take the itme to go see if itsreal of the source of the article
3402[2017-12-01 11:01:23] <schwizz> so please do some research before challenging on something you know nothing about
3403[2017-12-01 11:01:25] <zapster> oh.. hah. ixquick is now start page
3404[2017-12-01 11:01:28] <zapster> didn't notice that
3405[2017-12-01 11:02:19] <zapster> I've been using start page more and more
3406[2017-12-01 11:02:31] <MuckySocks> it says google too
3407[2017-12-01 11:02:40] <zapster> duck and start page are prolly my top pair
3408[2017-12-01 11:02:43] <MuckySocks> at ixquick.com
3409[2017-12-01 11:02:56] <MuckySocks> i think startpage just uses google
3410[2017-12-01 11:03:10] <MuckySocks> you need original ixquick
3411[2017-12-01 11:03:20] <zapster> what it does is rake google results for you without letting them track you 
3412[2017-12-01 11:03:27] <truffles> i cant remember how to remove a channel from autojoin ugh
3413[2017-12-01 11:03:37] <zapster> that's what startpage does. 
3414[2017-12-01 11:03:44] <MuckySocks> but we weren't talking about tracking
3415[2017-12-01 11:03:57] <MuckySocks> we were talking about censorship by default of relying on google
3416[2017-12-01 11:04:07] <zapster> do you have a link to original ixquick? I thought I did
3417[2017-12-01 11:04:27] <zapster> well, I also use duck duck go, which gets very different results 
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3419[2017-12-01 11:04:34] <zapster> I often use more than one
3420[2017-12-01 11:04:41] <MuckySocks> i think ddg just uses yahoo though
3421[2017-12-01 11:04:45] <schwizz> duck duck go is just a google api
3422[2017-12-01 11:04:51] <zapster> orly?
3423[2017-12-01 11:04:54] <MuckySocks> :P
3424[2017-12-01 11:04:54] <schwizz> im pretty sure
3425[2017-12-01 11:04:55] <zapster> how do you know? 
3426[2017-12-01 11:04:58] <schwizz> it used to be atleast
3427[2017-12-01 11:05:05] <schwizz> like 5 years ago i researched it
3428[2017-12-01 11:05:10] <zapster> I've used it for a long time. never saw anything on that 
3429[2017-12-01 11:05:17] <zapster> it used to be pretty thin. 
3430[2017-12-01 11:05:35] <RandomCouch> schwizz, so google has a political agenda, so what?
3431[2017-12-01 11:05:39] <MuckySocks> ixquick.eu doesn't say google on the page
3432[2017-12-01 11:05:50] <schwizz> maybe that was in correct
3433[2017-12-01 11:05:52] <RandomCouch> most companies that make it big have interests in political changes
3434[2017-12-01 11:05:55] <schwizz> but thats what i thoguht i read
3435[2017-12-01 11:05:58] <zapster> I see somebody on reddit making that claim
3436[2017-12-01 11:06:20] <MuckySocks> you can see someone on reddit making ANY claim
3437[2017-12-01 11:06:25] <RandomCouch> Uncle Ben once said, with great power comes great responsibility.
3438[2017-12-01 11:06:33] <RandomCouch> You can think of it as Google taking up it's responsibility
3439[2017-12-01 11:06:35] <zapster> my firewall just tried to block my access to duck lol 
3440[2017-12-01 11:06:44] <MuckySocks> bit of a Jeetism there RandomCouch 
3441[2017-12-01 11:06:50] <RandomCouch> ;)
3442[2017-12-01 11:06:51] <omegaman> hopefully it blocks everything soon
3443[2017-12-01 11:07:35] <RandomCouch> We need corps like Google standing up against bullshitters like Ajit Pai
3444[2017-12-01 11:07:37] <RandomCouch> and Trump
3445[2017-12-01 11:07:42] <RandomCouch> idk why you'd wanna fight them
3446[2017-12-01 11:07:45] <RandomCouch> when they're on your side
3447[2017-12-01 11:08:09] <zapster> ok, it seems since a year ago they've been 'partnering' with yahoo to get some features
3448[2017-12-01 11:08:21] <MuckySocks> because she is the grain of sand that makes the oyster
3449[2017-12-01 11:08:24] <zapster> afaik, yahoo isn't (yet) in on the big censorship game 
3450[2017-12-01 11:08:44] <zapster> here's part of the statement they put on the reddit: 
3451[2017-12-01 11:08:46] <zapster> We've actually been using Yahoo technology along with our own and others since the very beginning of DuckDuckGo. Over the past year though we've been working on a stronger partnership with Yahoo so we can get access to more features like date filters that everyone has been asking for (that one in particular is our most requested feature by far).
3452[2017-12-01 11:08:46] <zapster> We are excited that we are about able to launch this new technology. Some more details on the latest partnership are here: https://duck.co/help/company/yahoo-partnership. Due to contractual reasons, this technology has to come through a yahoo subdomain, but we got them to give the subdomain to us so there are no privacy implications. To make it crystal clear, Yahoo has also put out a privacy statement: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/search-f
3453[2017-12-01 11:08:47] <zapster> or-desktop/SLN27299.html.
3454[2017-12-01 11:08:48] <rabble_bot> ^ Help pages
3455[2017-12-01 11:09:34] <zapster> ah, that reminds me, since many of us are here: unban jeet or not? 
3456[2017-12-01 11:09:35] <RandomCouch> "Censorship by Google is Google's removal or omission of information from its services or those of its subsidiary companies, such as YouTube, in order to comply with its company policies, legal demands, or various government censorship laws"
3457[2017-12-01 11:09:40] <omegaman> unban jeet.
3458[2017-12-01 11:09:48] <MuckySocks> \o/
3459[2017-12-01 11:09:56] <zapster> government censorship laws. 
3460[2017-12-01 11:09:56] <RandomCouch> This sounds very normal to me
3461[2017-12-01 11:10:06] <omegaman> RandomCouch: you want jeet unbanned, please state this
3462[2017-12-01 11:10:11] <zapster> which they're doing without actually any legal requirement 
3463[2017-12-01 11:10:12] <RandomCouch> I like Jeet
3464[2017-12-01 11:10:18] <RandomCouch> and would like to see him unbanned
3465[2017-12-01 11:10:23] <Nelluk> bring back jeet!
3466[2017-12-01 11:10:31] <zapster> many sites have seen their search hits drop like a rock, and they're all leftist
3467[2017-12-01 11:10:33] <MuckySocks> yup ixquick.eu gives quite different results to google. ixquick.co.uk gave the same top six results as google
3468[2017-12-01 11:10:52] <omegaman> and?
3469[2017-12-01 11:10:57] <zapster> dunno. try searching on 'socialist' 
3470[2017-12-01 11:11:09] <RandomCouch> zapster, it's because Google is just a better search engine
3471[2017-12-01 11:11:14] <zapster> ok 2 votes to bring him back
3472[2017-12-01 11:11:18] <schwizz> mnaybe all the SEO funding was cut off
3473[2017-12-01 11:11:18] <zapster> no. it's not. 
3474[2017-12-01 11:11:23] <omegaman> how many do you need zapster 
3475[2017-12-01 11:11:24] <schwizz> with the loss
3476[2017-12-01 11:11:26] <omegaman> 3 votes btw
3477[2017-12-01 11:11:29] <omegaman> me, RandomCouch, Nelluk 
3478[2017-12-01 11:11:34] <Nelluk> nomic definitely said he wanted jeet back earlier this morning
3479[2017-12-01 11:11:41] <omegaman> yup definitely
3480[2017-12-01 11:11:42] <schwizz> lose the election, funds dry up, you no longer see socialist articles up top
3481[2017-12-01 11:11:56] <zapster> I started running into that ages ago. one thing I discovered is that it has been promoting paywalled sites in it's news feeds
3482[2017-12-01 11:12:01] <RandomCouch> that's not censorship though
3483[2017-12-01 11:12:03] <zapster> which has led to me dropping it more and more
3484[2017-12-01 11:12:04] <RandomCouch> google is paid by many sites
3485[2017-12-01 11:12:08] <RandomCouch> to have them displayed first
3486[2017-12-01 11:12:11] <schwizz> it is though
3487[2017-12-01 11:12:12] <RandomCouch> as search results
3488[2017-12-01 11:12:16] <zapster> yeah it is. I don't want any filtered results 
3489[2017-12-01 11:12:21] <zapster> so to me, it's bad
3490[2017-12-01 11:12:24] <RandomCouch> just go to the next page of results
3491[2017-12-01 11:12:30] <schwizz> unaturally putting osmething higher up is a form censorship
3492[2017-12-01 11:12:31] <RandomCouch> google gives you tons of pages
3493[2017-12-01 11:12:35] <zapster> I want search, not advertising
3494[2017-12-01 11:12:40] <RandomCouch> they just order the results around
3495[2017-12-01 11:12:42] <zapster> if I wanted ads, I'd read ads
3496[2017-12-01 11:12:44] <RandomCouch> based on who pays them the most
3497[2017-12-01 11:12:51] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: Special Giveaways in Tax Cut Bill Benefit Family Members, Colleagues of Key GOP Senators <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/special-giveaways-in-tax-cut-bill-benefit-family-members-colleagues-of-key-gop-senators/>
3498[2017-12-01 11:12:57] <schwizz> there a studies on how far people go , they dont go past the first few pages if they even go past teh first page
3499[2017-12-01 11:12:58] <zapster> right. that is not as useful as sites that don't do that
3500[2017-12-01 11:13:11] <RandomCouch> what sites don't do that? and what sites wouldn't do that if they could? zapster 
3501[2017-12-01 11:13:15] <schwizz> so just by moving soemting down and giving priorities is a form of censorship
3502[2017-12-01 11:13:22] <RandomCouch> it's not easy to turn down profit
3503[2017-12-01 11:13:34] <zapster> I've started filtering out NYT and Wapo and others. I use my rss feeds a lot more now because it's easier to do that
3504[2017-12-01 11:13:51] <MuckySocks> thank Aaron
3505[2017-12-01 11:13:51] <RandomCouch> zapster, if you wanted an article from a specific source you can just put that source's name in your search
3506[2017-12-01 11:13:53] <RandomCouch> and you'll get it
3507[2017-12-01 11:13:56] <zapster> doing so means I stop using them. 
3508[2017-12-01 11:13:57] <RandomCouch> it's not censorship
3509[2017-12-01 11:14:01] <RandomCouch> you can just search more specifically
3510[2017-12-01 11:14:02] <zapster> it is
3511[2017-12-01 11:14:21] <zapster> especially them demoting sites like WSWS and RT and the rest
3512[2017-12-01 11:14:40] <RandomCouch> ok I literally just googled "an article from RT"
3513[2017-12-01 11:14:41] <MuckySocks> what is wsws ?
3514[2017-12-01 11:14:44] <RandomCouch> and first result was from rt.com
3515[2017-12-01 11:14:51] <RandomCouch> where is the censorship
3516[2017-12-01 11:14:55] <omegaman> lol
3517[2017-12-01 11:15:08] <omegaman> zapster just got rekt
3518[2017-12-01 11:15:10] <RandomCouch> did the same for wsws
3519[2017-12-01 11:15:11] <zapster> https://duck.co/help/results/sources
3520[2017-12-01 11:15:12] <RandomCouch> and same result
3521[2017-12-01 11:15:14] <rabble_bot> ^ Sources
3522[2017-12-01 11:15:30] <zapster> interesting. maybe they've backed off on it since the backlash
3523[2017-12-01 11:15:53] <omegaman> LOL
3524[2017-12-01 11:16:00] <omegaman> oh my god zapster, youre the best
3525[2017-12-01 11:16:30] <RandomCouch> lol, idk I don't think they ever did that type of censoring, afaik Google's always been about minimum restrictions
3526[2017-12-01 11:16:35] <zapster> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/26/technology/google-search-bias-claims.html
3527[2017-12-01 11:16:38] <rabble_bot> ^ As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm - The New York Times
3528[2017-12-01 11:16:44] <zapster> it was reported some time ago
3529[2017-12-01 11:16:52] <zapster> and lit off a firestorm 
3530[2017-12-01 11:17:04] <RandomCouch> checking it out
3531[2017-12-01 11:17:15] <zapster> In April, Google announced an initiative called Project Owl to provide “algorithmic updates to surface more authoritative content” and stamp out fake news stories from its search results.
3532[2017-12-01 11:17:26] <zapster> and of course, 'fake news' is defined by whom? 
3533[2017-12-01 11:17:43] <schwizz> google!
3534[2017-12-01 11:17:52] <schwizz> which is the problem
3535[2017-12-01 11:18:04] <omegaman> im not seeing the problem
3536[2017-12-01 11:18:11] <schwizz> actually annyone trying to determine fake news seems like an impossible task
3537[2017-12-01 11:18:18] <omegaman> seems pretty easy to me
3538[2017-12-01 11:18:20] <schwizz> cause what news is fake?
3539[2017-12-01 11:18:23] <schwizz> no one knows
3540[2017-12-01 11:18:28] <schwizz> is all opinion fake?>
3541[2017-12-01 11:18:33] <schwizz> are all editorials fake?
3542[2017-12-01 11:18:40] <schwizz> or all misleading titles fake?
3543[2017-12-01 11:18:43] <zapster> so basically, google *announced* that it's censoring. whether the results are political or not, the censorship exists
3544[2017-12-01 11:18:46] <schwizz> is anything biased fake?
3545[2017-12-01 11:18:51] <omegaman> zapster: good
3546[2017-12-01 11:18:55] <zapster> that's the point
3547[2017-12-01 11:19:15] — nomic wants jeet unbanned
3548[2017-12-01 11:19:16] <schwizz> and we know other countries force them to do this
3549[2017-12-01 11:19:20] <schwizz> like right to be forgotten
3550[2017-12-01 11:19:25] <schwizz> is google censorship
3551[2017-12-01 11:19:27] <zapster> that seems to be how it's being defined. RT is censored because it publishes stuff the oligarchy finds threatening. not because of anything nefarious 
3552[2017-12-01 11:19:31] <schwizz> they have a blacklist of URLs
3553[2017-12-01 11:19:37] <schwizz> that will never appear
3554[2017-12-01 11:19:41] <schwizz> because some countries demand it
3555[2017-12-01 11:20:23] <zapster> Google said it had added more detailed examples of problematic pages into the guidelines used by human raters to determine what is a good search result and what is a bad one. Google said its global staff of more than 10,000 raters do not determine search rankings, but their judgments help inform how the algorithm performs in the future.
3556[2017-12-01 11:20:25] <zapster> hmmm
3557[2017-12-01 11:20:32] <zapster> so that's how they rank results 
3558[2017-12-01 11:20:47] <schwizz> yah lol
3559[2017-12-01 11:20:51] <RandomCouch> It doesn't surprise me that Google censors things. Also at key times Google would display some results first according to what the occasion is, and still, they are not monopolizing search engines. You can still use another search engine if you don't trust Google, but when it comes to current political issues you'll find Google will stand with you on most issues
3560[2017-12-01 11:20:55] <RandomCouch> specially Net Neutrality
3561[2017-12-01 11:20:57] <schwizz> they make decisions, applied to machine learning
3562[2017-12-01 11:21:03] <schwizz> then the machine makes the decisions
3563[2017-12-01 11:21:06] <schwizz> lol 
3564[2017-12-01 11:21:24] <schwizz> which is the ssame thing
3565[2017-12-01 11:21:56] <zapster> In an open letter to Google last month, Mr. North traced his site’s traffic decline to Project Owl. Mr. North said he believed that Google was blacklisting the site, using concerns over fake news as a cover to suppress opinions from socialist, antiwar or left-wing websites and block news that Google doesn’t want covered.
3566[2017-12-01 11:21:57] <zapster> In mid-April, a Google search for “socialism vs. capitalism” brought back one of the site’s links on the first results page but, by August, that same search didn’t feature any of its links. The site said 145 of the top 150 search terms that had redirected people to the site in April are now devoid of its links.
3567[2017-12-01 11:22:02] <omegaman> is jeet unbanned yet
3568[2017-12-01 11:22:11] <zapster> ok, so there is a bit of reaction to public pressure going on too
3569[2017-12-01 11:22:12] <omegaman> you had 3 or 4 votes to unban him, which is more than enough imo
3570[2017-12-01 11:22:53] <zapster> “They should be asked to explain how they’re doing it,” Mr. North said. “If they say we’re not doing anything, that’s simply not credible.”
3571[2017-12-01 11:23:07] <zapster> indeed, especially since polls show interest in socialism rising
3572[2017-12-01 11:23:25] <MuckySocks> theres a lot of content thiefs
3573[2017-12-01 11:23:27] <RandomCouch> It's their platform though, and it's free to use, should they really be held responsible for what they do with it?
3574[2017-12-01 11:23:57] <zapster> Mr. North argued the drop-off in traffic is the result of Google directing users toward mainstream media organizations, including The New York Times. <--that's what I noticed, and why I switched to other sites. it's annoying to always be referred to the NYT no matter what I'm looking for lol 
3575[2017-12-01 11:23:57] <MuckySocks> just get the stuff from another site right next to them on AWS and pack it up with more ads
3576[2017-12-01 11:24:11] <MuckySocks> you don't want that at the top of your searches do you
3577[2017-12-01 11:24:14] <schwizz> yah they should be held responsible because of hte impact of it
3578[2017-12-01 11:24:21] <schwizz> if it wasn so influential it wouldnt matter
3579[2017-12-01 11:24:24] <zapster> if you have to drop the top 150 results to get to anything legit, it's more hassle than it's worth 
3580[2017-12-01 11:24:25] <omegaman> is jeet unbanned yet
3581[2017-12-01 11:24:41] <schwizz> but google can litterally shape the outcome of things based on what results are displayed during different times
3582[2017-12-01 11:24:43] <nomic> is jeet unbanned yet
3583[2017-12-01 11:24:46] <Nelluk> JUSTICE4JEET
3584[2017-12-01 11:24:52] <zapster> somebody needs to write a nice filter plugin that skips past their algorithm stuff 
3585[2017-12-01 11:24:56] <MuckySocks> one in one out
3586[2017-12-01 11:25:00] <Nelluk> lol
3587[2017-12-01 11:25:00] <zapster> ok, so thats 3 for
3588[2017-12-01 11:25:04] <Nelluk> four fo
3589[2017-12-01 11:25:11] <Nelluk> lamont, RandomCouch, me, nomic
3590[2017-12-01 11:25:11] <zapster> I miss one? 
3591[2017-12-01 11:25:21] <zapster> ah but I don't believe lamont for an instant
3592[2017-12-01 11:25:31] <Nelluk> what do you mean you dont believe him
3593[2017-12-01 11:25:32] <zapster> <zapster> MarkedForDeath (my_email@unaffiliated/bazinga/x-2527997) has 
3594[2017-12-01 11:25:32] <zapster> joined
3595[2017-12-01 11:25:32] <zapster> <zapster> Apr 27 19:02:11 <mrlamont> ban this mother fucker
3596[2017-12-01 11:25:32] <zapster> <zapster> Apr 27 19:03:15 <mrlamont> !requestban MarkedForDeath 
3597[2017-12-01 11:25:33] <zapster> :D
3598[2017-12-01 11:25:38] <RandomCouch> lol
3599[2017-12-01 11:25:40] <zapster> that's what I mean
3600[2017-12-01 11:26:00] <Nelluk> he has changed his mind. its a hallmark of a deliberative person.
3601[2017-12-01 11:26:06] <zapster> *snrk*
3602[2017-12-01 11:26:14] <Nelluk> LAMONT FOR SENATE
3603[2017-12-01 11:26:15] <zapster> he's never been serious or deliberative in his life
3604[2017-12-01 11:26:40] <omegaman> this one example that zapster is very proud of proves my entire life story
3605[2017-12-01 11:27:01] <omegaman> what do you mean you dont "believe" me
3606[2017-12-01 11:27:27] <zapster> DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we source from Bing, Yahoo, and Yandex. 
3607[2017-12-01 11:27:35] <zapster> ok, that works. at least they mix 'em up a bit 
3608[2017-12-01 11:27:38] <omegaman> zapster, we're asking you something
3609[2017-12-01 11:27:43] <omegaman> can you pay attention please
3610[2017-12-01 11:27:50] <MuckySocks> no they are filters
3611[2017-12-01 11:28:09] <MuckySocks> not alternative search
3612[2017-12-01 11:28:17] <zapster> prolly, like anything else, using several different sources will work the best
3613[2017-12-01 11:28:26] <MuckySocks> which you can do pure with surfraw if you like
3614[2017-12-01 11:28:42] <MuckySocks> written by the youthful julian assange iirc
3615[2017-12-01 11:29:18] — nomic hasn't seen jt ever being offensive .. unsure why banned
3616[2017-12-01 11:29:19] <omegaman> like RT America and RT Russia?
3617[2017-12-01 11:29:21] <schwizz> yah im not sure where i got the info it was the google api
3618[2017-12-01 11:29:24] <schwizz> mayeb early on it was
3619[2017-12-01 11:29:25] <schwizz> myabe not
3620[2017-12-01 11:29:30] <zapster> seems not to be the case
3621[2017-12-01 11:29:37] <schwizz> welll its odd they dont use it
3622[2017-12-01 11:29:47] <schwizz> im sure originally it would have been an obvious choice
3623[2017-12-01 11:29:50] <zapster> they started out with their own crawlers
3624[2017-12-01 11:29:56] <zapster> their own api
3625[2017-12-01 11:30:07] <nomic> zpster should unban jeet jeeet has it hard enough already
3626[2017-12-01 11:30:11] <schwizz> its hard to tell it doesnt say
3627[2017-12-01 11:30:11] <nomic> lately
3628[2017-12-01 11:30:31] <schwizz> they needa  way back for google
3629[2017-12-01 11:30:40] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: GOP Senators Determined To Push Forward With Unread, Unwritten Tax Cut Bill <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/gop-senators-determined-push-forward>
3630[2017-12-01 11:30:40] <schwizz> so you can set the date and get teh results you would have seen on that date
3631[2017-12-01 11:30:41] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: WATCH:  Shouts Of 'Lock Him Up!' As Flynn Leaves Courthouse <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/lock-him-up-flynn-courthouse>
3632[2017-12-01 11:30:42] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Report: Rep. Blake Farenthold Used Congressional Slush Fund To Settle Sexual Harassment Lawsuit <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/report-rep-blake-farenthold-used>
3633[2017-12-01 11:31:03] <MuckySocks> they have a wayback for wayback
3634[2017-12-01 11:31:11] <zapster> some useful stuff here: https://duck.co/help/results/syntax
3635[2017-12-01 11:31:15] <rabble_bot> ^ DuckDuckGo Search Syntax
3636[2017-12-01 11:31:16] <schwizz> is it itself?
3637[2017-12-01 11:31:20] <MuckySocks> you can also set pretty close date results on google
3638[2017-12-01 11:31:23] <schwizz> sounds like an infinite looop
3639[2017-12-01 11:31:30] <schwizz> going ot wayback on teh wayback machine will break the internet
3640[2017-12-01 11:31:34] <schwizz> dont do it!
3641[2017-12-01 11:31:39] <MuckySocks> sounds like you don't need google to show you wayback results
3642[2017-12-01 11:32:17] <schwizz> is there a way to set the date range on the news stories?
3643[2017-12-01 11:32:33] <schwizz> like serach for news stories published on certain day?
3644[2017-12-01 11:33:02] <schwizz> google is actually pretty crappy, they could have very safisticated searches, im assuming its more profitible not to
3645[2017-12-01 11:33:18] <MuckySocks> news - tools - recent - custom range
3646[2017-12-01 11:33:24] <schwizz> shoudl be a way to easily say, give me all content published on a given day
3647[2017-12-01 11:33:27] <MuckySocks> can you click ?
3648[2017-12-01 11:33:33] <schwizz> but is that just news?
3649[2017-12-01 11:33:38] <schwizz> or includes all new content?
3650[2017-12-01 11:33:47] <schwizz> that would be impossible to distinguish thoough
3651[2017-12-01 11:34:12] <MuckySocks> what are you talking about ?
3652[2017-12-01 11:34:12] <schwizz> would be interesting to see what they flag as news and not
3653[2017-12-01 11:34:20] <schwizz> well what is news?
3654[2017-12-01 11:34:22] <MuckySocks> so don't use the news filter
3655[2017-12-01 11:34:45] <RandomCouch> Google can dothat
3656[2017-12-01 11:34:49] <schwizz> so how?
3657[2017-12-01 11:34:56] <MuckySocks> if you don't chuck out your cookies you are effectively in your own bubble anyway
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3659[2017-12-01 11:34:57] <zapster> this is a plus: https://duck.co/help/open-source/opensource-overview
3660[2017-12-01 11:35:00] <rabble_bot> ^ Open Source Overview
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3662[2017-12-01 11:35:39] <zapster> often, if you include a date in quotes, it'll return a lot of them for that date
3663[2017-12-01 11:36:01] <zapster> but since dates are encoded differently on different sites, you might have try different formats
3664[2017-12-01 11:36:46] <MuckySocks> if only there was an international standard date format
3665[2017-12-01 11:36:52] <MuckySocks> hmm
3666[2017-12-01 11:37:47] <schwizz> its probably just better to use the range
3667[2017-12-01 11:37:53] <schwizz> it seems google nomralizes dates
3668[2017-12-01 11:37:56] <zapster> I have AVG and it is forever telling me that duck is 'poorly rated' which is complete nonsense. I'd like to know who paid 'em for that 
3669[2017-12-01 11:37:57] <zapster> lol
3670[2017-12-01 11:38:13] <zapster> maybe I'll switch to kaspersky ;)
3671[2017-12-01 11:38:15] <MuckySocks> you have what ?
3672[2017-12-01 11:38:21] <zapster> AVG antivirus
3673[2017-12-01 11:38:26] <MuckySocks> oh right
3674[2017-12-01 11:38:28] <RandomCouch> lol zapster sounding a bit like a conspiracist there :P
3675[2017-12-01 11:38:33] <MuckySocks> why do you need antivirus ?
3676[2017-12-01 11:38:37] <zapster> windows
3677[2017-12-01 11:38:41] <RandomCouch> assuming "some corp" would pay AVG 
3678[2017-12-01 11:38:44] <MuckySocks> does it check js ?
3679[2017-12-01 11:38:49] <zapster> until I feel ambitious enough to switch 
3680[2017-12-01 11:38:52] <RandomCouch> to say "that other search engine" is poorly rated
3681[2017-12-01 11:38:54] <zapster> I dunno, prolly
3682[2017-12-01 11:39:03] <zapster> why wouldn't they? 
3683[2017-12-01 11:39:10] <RandomCouch> because they wouldn't need to.
3684[2017-12-01 11:39:13] <zapster> would get lots of people to block it without looking into it 
3685[2017-12-01 11:39:25] <RandomCouch> I don't think google is scared of other search engines
3686[2017-12-01 11:39:30] <zapster> hah
3687[2017-12-01 11:39:33] <RandomCouch> if they were they would go against net neutrality
3688[2017-12-01 11:39:42] <RandomCouch> and pay ISPs to kill off their competition
3689[2017-12-01 11:39:44] <zapster> I think they are. all the biggies are worried about competition
3690[2017-12-01 11:40:05] <zapster> their support for censorship shows they aren't overly worried about it to me
3691[2017-12-01 11:40:24] <schwizz> sillocon valley is in support of net n because it puts more regulation on the ISP
3692[2017-12-01 11:40:28] <schwizz> instead of htemselves
3693[2017-12-01 11:40:39] <RandomCouch> You pay the most for your internet
3694[2017-12-01 11:40:41] <zapster> hell, they are the ISPs a lot
3695[2017-12-01 11:40:43] <RandomCouch> compared to other european countries
3696[2017-12-01 11:40:47] <RandomCouch> ISPs are already profiting a lot
3697[2017-12-01 11:40:52] <RandomCouch> and they just want to profit more
3698[2017-12-01 11:41:06] <RandomCouch> It's an oligopoly
3699[2017-12-01 11:41:13] <zapster> and they'd *love* to profit even more. gods think of the profit if they can force you to pay more for facebook 
3700[2017-12-01 11:41:14] <zapster> lol
3701[2017-12-01 11:41:22] <RandomCouch> exactly
3702[2017-12-01 11:41:22] <MuckySocks> oh the Austrian Freedom Party has entered a ruling coalition
3703[2017-12-01 11:41:32] <RandomCouch> Get the social package for 10$ more a month
3704[2017-12-01 11:41:33] <zapster> whodat?
3705[2017-12-01 11:41:34] <schwizz> pay more its free?
3706[2017-12-01 11:41:36] <RandomCouch> so you can access facebook
3707[2017-12-01 11:41:37] <zapster> nationalists?
3708[2017-12-01 11:41:38] <schwizz> and dyou are the product
3709[2017-12-01 11:41:41] <MuckySocks> yup
3710[2017-12-01 11:41:43] <schwizz> your data is the cost
3711[2017-12-01 11:41:44] <RandomCouch> oh you want non laggy games? Get the gaming package
3712[2017-12-01 11:41:58] <schwizz> they sell you to adverisers
3713[2017-12-01 11:42:00] <zapster> if net neutrality is killed, they'll split everything up and each bit will have a fee
3714[2017-12-01 11:42:03] <schwizz> thats the money
3715[2017-12-01 11:42:08] <zapster> nope
3716[2017-12-01 11:42:08] <schwizz> not subscription based
3717[2017-12-01 11:42:11] <zapster> not all of it
3718[2017-12-01 11:42:14] <MuckySocks> turning the web into a kind of cable tv is really really dumb
3719[2017-12-01 11:42:16] <RandomCouch> Yep, but zap google is defending net neutrality
3720[2017-12-01 11:42:20] <schwizz> well thats why its "free"
3721[2017-12-01 11:42:36] <RandomCouch> and it's not like google would be disadvantaged without net neutrality
3722[2017-12-01 11:42:39] <RandomCouch> considering it's already at the top
3723[2017-12-01 11:42:46] <RandomCouch> it can easily stay at the top without net neutrality
3724[2017-12-01 11:43:02] <MuckySocks> they could be driven out by a bidding war though surely ?
3725[2017-12-01 11:43:02] <RandomCouch> it owns youtube which is like probably the most used entertainment site
3726[2017-12-01 11:43:19] <RandomCouch> MuckySocks, who would have enough to get into a bidding war with google?
3727[2017-12-01 11:43:20] <schwizz> you aslo realize that the suggestion is a different set of rules
3728[2017-12-01 11:43:23] <schwizz> not to just can Net n
3729[2017-12-01 11:43:26] <MuckySocks> Amazon, apple and MS both already have a lot of investor backing
3730[2017-12-01 11:43:27] <schwizz> but its replacement
3731[2017-12-01 11:43:28] <zapster> a little sample of what they have in mind: http://muncievoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/net-neutrality.jpg
3732[2017-12-01 11:43:35] <zapster> some countries already do this
3733[2017-12-01 11:43:38] <MuckySocks> create a market, you create a value
3734[2017-12-01 11:43:51] <schwizz> i dont think the FCC is just getting rid of it, im pretty sure the goal is to replace it
3735[2017-12-01 11:43:58] <schwizz> so it remains to be seen what that acutally looks like
3736[2017-12-01 11:44:01] <RandomCouch> MuckySocks, true, it sounds like something Apple would do
3737[2017-12-01 11:44:14] <RandomCouch> if Net neutrality goes down, Apple is jumping on the first bandwagon to profit from it
3738[2017-12-01 11:44:17] <RandomCouch> I guarantee it
3739[2017-12-01 11:44:17] <zapster> their goal is to let the isps divide the net up into 'packages' you have to pay more for
3740[2017-12-01 11:44:29] <RandomCouch> You heard it here first
3741[2017-12-01 11:44:31] <MuckySocks> they also make phone contracts ?
3742[2017-12-01 11:44:33] <RandomCouch> Just watch Apple go
3743[2017-12-01 11:44:38] <RandomCouch> once net neutrality is gutted
3744[2017-12-01 11:44:45] <zapster> and it pretty much guarantees that you won't have access to anything the gov deems 'inappropriate' 
3745[2017-12-01 11:45:10] <schwizz> thats what net neutrality can do
3746[2017-12-01 11:45:19] <RandomCouch> is it?
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3749[2017-12-01 11:45:23] <RandomCouch> is that currently happening
3750[2017-12-01 11:45:33] <schwizz> if oyu force teh ISPs with regulation, then you can regulate the content going through those isps
3751[2017-12-01 11:45:43] <zapster> yeah. congress put money to pay for domestic propaganda in the last defense bill 
3752[2017-12-01 11:45:57] <zapster> some 130 billion to pay media to run false articles 
3753[2017-12-01 11:45:59] <RandomCouch> well, propaganda is not censorship though
3754[2017-12-01 11:46:07] <zapster> it's part of it 
3755[2017-12-01 11:46:10] <RandomCouch> ehhh...
3756[2017-12-01 11:46:11] <MuckySocks> that is a different issue 
3757[2017-12-01 11:46:15] <RandomCouch> I think it's completely different
3758[2017-12-01 11:46:23] <schwizz> forexample if the US gov were to decide certain content is a threat to national security, if the net n exists, they coudl force the ISPs to block it
3759[2017-12-01 11:46:33] <schwizz> which is obviously something that can be exploited poltiically
3760[2017-12-01 11:46:43] <zapster> can effectively lead to self-censorship when people refuse to look at sites because they're not 'legitimate'... after say, a rash of articles on 'fake news' 
3761[2017-12-01 11:46:45] <schwizz> they probably can already do that though
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3764[2017-12-01 11:46:50] <schwizz> but they dont
3765[2017-12-01 11:46:52] <MuckySocks> CIA are gonna help make films and publish magazines and websites, whatever you sue
3766[2017-12-01 11:46:56] <MuckySocks> use
3767[2017-12-01 11:46:59] <zapster> the propornot stuff was an example
3768[2017-12-01 11:47:24] <zapster> according to the constitution, they can't do that. 
3769[2017-12-01 11:47:30] <zapster> but since they actually do...
3770[2017-12-01 11:47:36] <MuckySocks> can you give an example of a site whose results have been downgraded by google and a subject which they have published ?
3771[2017-12-01 11:47:46] <zapster> already did
3772[2017-12-01 11:48:03] <schwizz> To restore Internet Freedom, the FCC has proposed to examine the utility-style Title II rules to determine whether regulatory intervention in the market is necessary. The FCC has asked for comment on whether to keep, modify, or eliminate these "bright-line rules" adopted in 2015. And the FCC specifically has proposed to eliminate the vague "general Internet conduct standard," which 
3773[2017-12-01 11:48:03] <schwizz> gives the FCC far-reaching discretion to prohibit any ISP practice that it believes runs afoul of a long and incomplete list of factors. The FCC also proposed to conduct a cost-benefit analysis as a part of its analysis.
3774[2017-12-01 11:48:05] <MuckySocks> excuse me for not being here the entire time
3775[2017-12-01 11:48:19] <zapster> http://uproxx.com/technology/comcast-deletes-net-neutrality-pledge-fcc-repeal/
3776[2017-12-01 11:48:20] <rabble_bot> ^ Comcast Deleted Its Net Neutrality Pledge When FCC Announced Rollback
3777[2017-12-01 11:48:45] <zapster> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/26/technology/google-search-bias-claims.html
3778[2017-12-01 11:48:49] <rabble_bot> ^ As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm - The New York Times
3779[2017-12-01 11:48:52] <MuckySocks> ah
3780[2017-12-01 11:48:58] <schwizz> thats the issue , "general Internet conduct standard," which gives the FCC far-reaching discretion to prohibit any ISP practice that it believes runs afoul of a long and incomplete list of factors.
3781[2017-12-01 11:49:09] <schwizz> overreach of goverment powers potentially
3782[2017-12-01 11:49:18] <schwizz> as written
3783[2017-12-01 11:49:29] <zapster> that's one issue
3784[2017-12-01 11:49:46] <zapster> the other is allowing ISPS to treat different packets differently
3785[2017-12-01 11:50:17] <schwizz> yah somewhere in the middle
3786[2017-12-01 11:50:24] <schwizz> we need like a net neutrality light
3787[2017-12-01 11:50:37] <zapster> "    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
3788[2017-12-01 11:50:47] <schwizz> some of it makes sense, but some of it can def be exploited
3789[2017-12-01 11:50:49] <RandomCouch> Really I just hate ajit pai's face.
3790[2017-12-01 11:50:53] <zapster> we need it to be absolutely solid. all packets completely equaly 
3791[2017-12-01 11:50:55] <schwizz> liek it makes sense to maybe stop some malware
3792[2017-12-01 11:50:59] <zapster> *equal
3793[2017-12-01 11:50:59] <MuckySocks> zapster, if i google that subject uproxx is the second result
3794[2017-12-01 11:51:00] <RandomCouch> He is such an ugly man and I hate how his head bobbles around when he talks.
3795[2017-12-01 11:51:01] <schwizz> but iff oyu also block legit traffic
3796[2017-12-01 11:51:05] <schwizz> then is that worth stopping hte malware?
3797[2017-12-01 11:51:08] <schwizz> debatable
3798[2017-12-01 11:51:10] <MuckySocks> can you give an example of a site whose results have been downgraded by google and a subject which they have published ?
3799[2017-12-01 11:51:28] <RandomCouch> MuckySocks, they've given examples like rt.com and wsws
3800[2017-12-01 11:51:38] <RandomCouch> but if you do searches on Google right now
3801[2017-12-01 11:51:38] <zapster> malware can be stopped in various places. we don't need corps or governments deciding that, say, everything that criticizes the government is 'malware' 
3802[2017-12-01 11:51:41] <RandomCouch> you'll notice they are not censored
3803[2017-12-01 11:51:46] <RandomCouch> but perhaps they were censored at key times
3804[2017-12-01 11:51:53] <schwizz> you know you have the bigggest website there is and you never see results in google from it
3805[2017-12-01 11:51:53] <RandomCouch> I can't verify these claims
3806[2017-12-01 11:51:55] <schwizz> drudge
3807[2017-12-01 11:52:00] <schwizz> coudl be many reasons
3808[2017-12-01 11:52:12] <schwizz> but its the most popular website out there for news
3809[2017-12-01 11:52:18] <schwizz> and you nefver have results leading directly to drudge
3810[2017-12-01 11:52:19] <MuckySocks> drudge is just a content republisher
3811[2017-12-01 11:52:28] <zapster> anyway, google needs competitors. I'll use them as long as I get useful results from them. 
3812[2017-12-01 11:52:29] <schwizz> it is though
3813[2017-12-01 11:52:32] <schwizz> the titles are content
3814[2017-12-01 11:52:38] <schwizz> agreed its not a lot of title
3815[2017-12-01 11:52:42] <schwizz> content*
3816[2017-12-01 11:52:51] <RandomCouch> zapster, that's what's great about the open internet
3817[2017-12-01 11:52:52] <schwizz> but that is what he produces
3818[2017-12-01 11:53:00] <schwizz> or how about take like the most popular podcasts
3819[2017-12-01 11:53:00] <RandomCouch> you can use whatever you want
3820[2017-12-01 11:53:06] <schwizz> they talk about current events all the time
3821[2017-12-01 11:53:08] <zapster> until they kill net neutrality 
3822[2017-12-01 11:53:09] <RandomCouch> and Google wants to protect your right to do that
3823[2017-12-01 11:53:13] <schwizz> how come they never show up on google results?
3824[2017-12-01 11:53:33] <zapster> I'll bet when that happens, google will be "included in the base package" and you'll have to pay extra to get any others
3825[2017-12-01 11:53:34] <schwizz> anything that is hte most popular on the internet should easily show up in google
3826[2017-12-01 11:53:38] <RandomCouch> You may disagree with Google with some issues but at least give them credit for fighting for net neutrality
3827[2017-12-01 11:53:48] <schwizz> so its def questionable what they are doing
3828[2017-12-01 11:53:53] <zapster> are they? I'm not entirely sure they actually are
3829[2017-12-01 11:53:57] <schwizz> and i get that SEO is secretive
3830[2017-12-01 11:54:00] <RandomCouch> They are
3831[2017-12-01 11:54:03] <RandomCouch> hold on
3832[2017-12-01 11:54:16] <zapster> duck duck go is open-source and community based to some extent it seems
3833[2017-12-01 11:54:17] <schwizz> again of course they are
3834[2017-12-01 11:54:22] <zapster> that makes it far more preferable to me
3835[2017-12-01 11:54:23] <schwizz> for example, say theres malware
3836[2017-12-01 11:54:36] <schwizz> now teh ISP iss responsible to block it in some net n scenario
3837[2017-12-01 11:54:38] <RandomCouch> zapster, https://www.google.com/takeaction/action/freeandopen/index.html
3838[2017-12-01 11:54:39] <rabble_bot> ^ We stand together – Take Action – Google
3839[2017-12-01 11:54:55] <zapster> sure. but is that really what they're doing? 
3840[2017-12-01 11:55:03] <schwizz> thats more regulation on the ISP and less on the content providers
3841[2017-12-01 11:55:06] <schwizz> means more profit
3842[2017-12-01 11:55:14] <schwizz> any content provider should support it
3843[2017-12-01 11:55:14] <RandomCouch> zapster, there's still time for them to do more.
3844[2017-12-01 11:55:19] <schwizz> its business
3845[2017-12-01 11:55:21] <schwizz> dollars
3846[2017-12-01 11:55:29] <RandomCouch> but I agree they could have already done more.
3847[2017-12-01 11:56:22] <MuckySocks> search amazon bethlehem steel mill
3848[2017-12-01 11:56:23] <zapster> with net neutrality, the ISP will not be responsible for any content
3849[2017-12-01 11:56:33] <MuckySocks> wsws is on the first page right above nyt
3850[2017-12-01 11:56:36] <zapster> that's actually less regulation on them
3851[2017-12-01 11:56:36] <schwizz> it oculd be
3852[2017-12-01 11:56:39] <schwizz> thats hte argument
3853[2017-12-01 11:56:40] <zapster> but it's also less profit
3854[2017-12-01 11:56:47] <schwizz> that the gov could regulat them in that way
3855[2017-12-01 11:57:04] <schwizz> thats the title 2 arguments
3856[2017-12-01 11:57:05] <zapster> with net neutrality the government will not be able to do that
3857[2017-12-01 11:57:07] <RandomCouch> there's still a limit, with net neutrality, to what the gov can regulate in the internet
3858[2017-12-01 11:57:08] <zapster> that's the whole point of it 
3859[2017-12-01 11:57:21] <schwizz> then get rid of title 2 all together
3860[2017-12-01 11:57:27] <RandomCouch> ...
3861[2017-12-01 11:57:27] <RandomCouch> no
3862[2017-12-01 11:57:35] <schwizz> well thats the possible problem
3863[2017-12-01 11:57:37] <RandomCouch> how is that going to be good?
3864[2017-12-01 11:57:38] <zapster> https://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-redux-the-battle-for-an-open-net-continues/
3865[2017-12-01 11:57:39] <rabble_bot> ^ GOP wants to gut net neutrality: Here's what you need to know - CNET
3866[2017-12-01 11:57:41] <RandomCouch> there is no problem
3867[2017-12-01 11:57:43] <RandomCouch> with the internet
3868[2017-12-01 11:57:44] <schwizz> thats why they are against it
3869[2017-12-01 11:57:49] <schwizz> "general Internet conduct standard," which gives the FCC far-reaching discretion to prohibit any ISP practice that it believes runs afoul of a long and incomplete list of factors.
3870[2017-12-01 11:57:53] <schwizz> understand that
3871[2017-12-01 11:57:54] <RandomCouch> NO ONE has a problem with the way the current itnernet works
3872[2017-12-01 11:57:54] <schwizz> ?
3873[2017-12-01 11:57:59] <RandomCouch> you don't like google? Go to another search engine
3874[2017-12-01 11:58:02] <RandomCouch> nothing stops you from doing that
3875[2017-12-01 11:58:14] <schwizz> um see that where oyu are wrong
3876[2017-12-01 11:58:16] <RandomCouch> no one except big ISPs want to change this
3877[2017-12-01 11:58:27] <schwizz> if no one had a problem then there would be no heated debates baout it
3878[2017-12-01 11:58:30] <schwizz> its very split
3879[2017-12-01 11:58:46] <RandomCouch> the heated debates come from fake news muddying the waters of the current title 2
3880[2017-12-01 11:58:51] <zapster> Rules adopted two years ago by the FCC basically prevent broadband providers from blocking consumers' access to websites. They also prevent them from playing favorites online by either steering users to or away from certain sites or services. And they prevent internet providers from charging companies extra fees to access their customers faster than their competitors can.
3881[2017-12-01 11:58:52] <RandomCouch> and trying to paint it as something bad
3882[2017-12-01 11:58:55] <zapster> all good
3883[2017-12-01 11:58:56] <RandomCouch> when really it protects the internet
3884[2017-12-01 11:58:57] <RandomCouch> from gov control
3885[2017-12-01 11:59:13] <RandomCouch> that's why there are debates, because people are getting their information from bad sources
3886[2017-12-01 11:59:23] <MuckySocks> this is really dumb
3887[2017-12-01 11:59:29] <MuckySocks> but not as dumb as brexit
3888[2017-12-01 11:59:29] <schwizz> net neutrality gives powers to the gov
3889[2017-12-01 11:59:32] <schwizz> it doesnt restrict them
3890[2017-12-01 11:59:35] <MuckySocks> come on guys you can do better
3891[2017-12-01 11:59:40] <schwizz> it gives power, doesnt take it away
3892[2017-12-01 11:59:53] <zapster>  Pai said the country has lost $5.1 billion in broadband capital investment <-- which is false
3893[2017-12-01 11:59:54] <RandomCouch> schwizz, the changes being suggested give all the power to the big ISP's
3894[2017-12-01 11:59:57] <RandomCouch> like comcast and verizon
3895[2017-12-01 12:00:01] <zapster> investment is up
3896[2017-12-01 12:00:04] <schwizz> no its not
3897[2017-12-01 12:00:07] <schwizz> i pasted the inention
3898[2017-12-01 12:00:13] <schwizz> you can go read it on the fccs website
3899[2017-12-01 12:00:17] <RandomCouch> not to mention, the FCC chairman Ajit Pai was a former lawyer for verizon who was defending cases of throttling internet speeds
3900[2017-12-01 12:00:21] <schwizz> https://www.fcc.gov/restoring-internet-freedom
3901[2017-12-01 12:00:22] <rabble_bot> ^ Restoring Internet Freedom | Federal Communications Commission
3902[2017-12-01 12:00:22] <RandomCouch> for certain sites
3903[2017-12-01 12:00:26] <schwizz> thast the intentions
3904[2017-12-01 12:00:33] <RandomCouch> schwizz, that's the lies.
3905[2017-12-01 12:00:42] <RandomCouch> Ajit Pai repeatedly lying through his teeth
3906[2017-12-01 12:00:44] <RandomCouch> and very visibly so
3907[2017-12-01 12:00:48] <schwizz> um so you lost the argument then
3908[2017-12-01 12:00:52] <schwizz> if oyu have to go to hidden motives and lieing
3909[2017-12-01 12:00:54] <schwizz> gg
3910[2017-12-01 12:00:58] <MuckySocks> just the kind of corruption we should be watching out for
3911[2017-12-01 12:01:16] <schwizz> debate over, you cant pull out lieing as your debate
3912[2017-12-01 12:01:23] <RandomCouch> the guy keeps claiming he wants to keep the open and free internet, yet he's been a verizon lawyer protecting verizon from charges against throttling speeds
3913[2017-12-01 12:01:39] <RandomCouch> schwizz, sorry I know a liar when I see one, Ajit Pai is a bullshitter. 100%.
3914[2017-12-01 12:01:42] <schwizz> dillusion
3915[2017-12-01 12:01:54] <schwizz> if oyu have to justify your side due to hidden motives
3916[2017-12-01 12:01:55] <zapster> he really is. he's an industry lobbyist
3917[2017-12-01 12:01:58] <schwizz> thats bad practice
3918[2017-12-01 12:01:59] <RandomCouch> ^
3919[2017-12-01 12:02:04] <RandomCouch> You just haven't done your research
3920[2017-12-01 12:02:08] <RandomCouch> look him up
3921[2017-12-01 12:02:11] <zapster> he's an industry lobbyist. his motives aren't hidden at all 
3922[2017-12-01 12:02:11] <RandomCouch> see what he used to do
3923[2017-12-01 12:02:13] <schwizz> thats conspiracy theory no fact stuff
3924[2017-12-01 12:02:15] <RandomCouch> find his true motives
3925[2017-12-01 12:02:17] <zapster> no it's fact
3926[2017-12-01 12:02:38] <RandomCouch> Yeah it's pretty fact
3927[2017-12-01 12:02:42] <schwizz> again thats not how you an win a debate
3928[2017-12-01 12:02:54] <schwizz> you cant use past actions ot try and determine what soging on  in someone or a group of peoples heads
3929[2017-12-01 12:02:58] <schwizz> as an argument
3930[2017-12-01 12:02:58] <RandomCouch> the point is, you have blind faith in the FCC chairman
3931[2017-12-01 12:03:01] <RandomCouch> but he is fooling you
3932[2017-12-01 12:03:03] <RandomCouch> and many others.
3933[2017-12-01 12:03:03] <schwizz> you cant read minds
3934[2017-12-01 12:03:05] <schwizz> so until you can
3935[2017-12-01 12:03:08] <schwizz> you cant use that lol
3936[2017-12-01 12:03:16] <RandomCouch> I don't read minds.
3937[2017-12-01 12:03:21] <MuckySocks> ok, nearly as dumb as brexit
3938[2017-12-01 12:03:27] <schwizz> well then you have no idea if they are lieing
3939[2017-12-01 12:03:27] <zapster> This worries net neutrality advocates because it could tilt the playing field in favor of deep-pocketed incumbents, like Netflix, at the expense of start ups trying to break into the business. More than 800 startups and entrepreneurs wrote to Pai asking him not to dismantle the rules. 
3940[2017-12-01 12:03:45] <zapster> "Our companies should be able to compete with incumbents on the quality of our products and services," they wrote, "not on or our capacity to pay tolls to internet access providers."
3941[2017-12-01 12:03:50] <RandomCouch> schwizz, yes I do. His motives are clear, and have been clear before he was the FCC chairman.
3942[2017-12-01 12:04:05] <schwizz> thats a straw man agrument
3943[2017-12-01 12:04:13] <RandomCouch> Notice how he never responds to criticism about his actions on what he's doing
3944[2017-12-01 12:04:19] <RandomCouch> instead he responds to adhom attacks
3945[2017-12-01 12:04:22] <zapster> what is? 
3946[2017-12-01 12:04:23] <RandomCouch> as if people care about him as a person.
3947[2017-12-01 12:04:25] <schwizz> your argument is you can read his mind and his motives
3948[2017-12-01 12:04:26] <RandomCouch> People care about the internet
3949[2017-12-01 12:04:30] <schwizz> thats what we call stawman
3950[2017-12-01 12:04:51] <RandomCouch> Yuo can analyze my debate skills all you want, but I simply do not trust Ajit Pai, and neither should you.
3951[2017-12-01 12:04:56] <zapster> Pai left his Department of Justice post in February 2001 to serve as Associate General Counsel at Verizon Communications Inc., where he handled competition matters, regulatory issues, and counseling of business units on broadband initiatives.[1]
3952[2017-12-01 12:05:10] <zapster> and verizon is one of the ones that has led the charge against net neutrality
3953[2017-12-01 12:05:16] <RandomCouch> Yep
3954[2017-12-01 12:05:52] <RandomCouch> Can you really trust a man who thinks his lame oversized coffee mug is "infamous" ??
3955[2017-12-01 12:06:12] <RandomCouch> and keeps quoting the big lebowski?
3956[2017-12-01 12:06:14] <RandomCouch> Come on man
3957[2017-12-01 12:06:14] <schwizz> why do you think hes the only author?
3958[2017-12-01 12:06:20] <schwizz> what makes you assume its his idea at all?
3959[2017-12-01 12:06:22] <schwizz> more mind reading?
3960[2017-12-01 12:06:31] <RandomCouch> He's pushing for it, I don't care who's idea it is
3961[2017-12-01 12:06:35] <RandomCouch> he's a main actor
3962[2017-12-01 12:06:40] <schwizz> hes the head of it, and how many peopel work under him?
3963[2017-12-01 12:06:46] <RandomCouch> why does that matter?
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3966[2017-12-01 12:06:55] <RandomCouch> he is the public face of the net neutrality weed wacker
3967[2017-12-01 12:06:58] <schwizz> well those are th3e people that liekly contributed to this statement by the FCC
3968[2017-12-01 12:07:02] <schwizz> i doubt its only his idea
3969[2017-12-01 12:07:06] <zapster> Pai voted against the FCC's 2015 Open Internet Order, classifying Internet service under Title II of the Communications Act of 1934, which bars certain providers from "mak[ing] any unjust or unreasonable discrimination in charges, practices, classifications, regulations, facilities, or services."[
3970[2017-12-01 12:07:10] <RandomCouch> It's definitely not only his idea
3971[2017-12-01 12:07:17] <schwizz> od they all have the same motive?
3972[2017-12-01 12:07:20] <MuckySocks> maybe we should have a google lawyer as FCC chair instead
3973[2017-12-01 12:07:27] <zapster>  He said in December 2016 that he believed Title II net neutrality's "days were numbered,"
3974[2017-12-01 12:07:27] <schwizz> i mean hes not working alone
3975[2017-12-01 12:07:28] <RandomCouch> schwizz, verizon is DEFINITELY all for what he is doing
3976[2017-12-01 12:07:33] <MuckySocks> or a microsoft guy
3977[2017-12-01 12:07:34] <RandomCouch> for all we know he is in bed with verizon still
3978[2017-12-01 12:07:34] <MuckySocks> :D
3979[2017-12-01 12:07:45] <schwizz> yah i told you why
3980[2017-12-01 12:07:51] <MuckySocks> the revolving door of corruption is NO PROBLEM to schwizz 
3981[2017-12-01 12:07:52] <schwizz> ISPs dont like it, content providers do
3982[2017-12-01 12:07:53] <zapster> As chairman, he also closed an investigation into zero-rating practices by wireless providers T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon.
3983[2017-12-01 12:07:57] <schwizz> its more regulations on ISPs
3984[2017-12-01 12:08:01] <schwizz> verizon is an isp
3985[2017-12-01 12:08:03] <schwizz> thats why they dont like it
3986[2017-12-01 12:08:06] <schwizz> and why google likes it
3987[2017-12-01 12:08:12] <MuckySocks> this here is the really dumb shit
3988[2017-12-01 12:08:13] <schwizz> its about who the regulation is on
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3990[2017-12-01 12:08:16] <MuckySocks> i love it
3991[2017-12-01 12:08:18] <RandomCouch> mhm, but verizon is already making big bucks overcharging for internet
3992[2017-12-01 12:08:20] <schwizz> thats why its a clear line
3993[2017-12-01 12:08:23] <RandomCouch> just like other ISPS
3994[2017-12-01 12:08:30] <schwizz> ISPs want one way, content providers want hte other way
3995[2017-12-01 12:08:37] <schwizz> because htey both look out for themselves
3996[2017-12-01 12:08:38] <RandomCouch> schwizz,  did you know he recently made it impossible for poor people to afford internet?
3997[2017-12-01 12:08:44] <RandomCouch> The guy is an asshole.
3998[2017-12-01 12:08:48] <schwizz> how did he do that?
3999[2017-12-01 12:08:51] <RandomCouch> look it up
4000[2017-12-01 12:08:53] <schwizz> i bet you missunderstand what happend
4001[2017-12-01 12:08:56] <RandomCouch> nope
4002[2017-12-01 12:08:58] <schwizz> no ive llooked up stuff for oyu
4003[2017-12-01 12:08:59] ← xau left (~xxx@unaffiliated/xau): 
4004[2017-12-01 12:09:01] <schwizz> so you owe me this
4005[2017-12-01 12:09:03] <RandomCouch> Ok, give me a second lol
4006[2017-12-01 12:09:14] <zapster> losing net neutrality means we all pay more. that's the bottom line. 
4007[2017-12-01 12:09:21] <zapster> and it'll put startups out of business
4008[2017-12-01 12:09:43] <RandomCouch> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/sorry-poor-people-the-fcc-is-coming-after-your-broadband-plans/
4009[2017-12-01 12:09:45] <rabble_bot> ^ Sorry, poor people: The FCC is coming after your broadband plans | Ars Technica
4010[2017-12-01 12:09:49] <schwizz> but so does more regulation
4011[2017-12-01 12:09:49] <RandomCouch> schwizz 
4012[2017-12-01 12:09:54] <schwizz> like more regulation also hurts the startupds
4013[2017-12-01 12:10:08] <zapster> 'regulation' is not always bad. this regulation ensures that the startups get a fair shake
4014[2017-12-01 12:10:14] <schwizz> what it comes down to is there are pitfalls either way
4015[2017-12-01 12:10:19] <schwizz> maybe its in teh middle somewhere
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4017[2017-12-01 12:10:27] <zapster> what we have now is working fine. we don't need it screwed with
4018[2017-12-01 12:10:57] <zapster> pai is gonna cost us more and put startups out of business 
4019[2017-12-01 12:11:13] <RandomCouch> and he is going to get a good share of the profit made by verizon from this move
4020[2017-12-01 12:11:22] <RandomCouch> This is just my prediction
4021[2017-12-01 12:12:01] <RandomCouch> schwizz, the pitfalls without net neutrality will be far worse for consumers and small businesses
4022[2017-12-01 12:12:09] <RandomCouch> the pitfalls that currently exist are not nearly as bad
4023[2017-12-01 12:12:16] <RandomCouch> so let's keep what currently works OK
4024[2017-12-01 12:12:21] <RandomCouch> and not attempt to change it for the worst
4025[2017-12-01 12:14:25] <zapster> https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/US-Upholds-Use-of-Illegal-Cluster-Bombs-as-Legitimate-20171201-0003.html
4026[2017-12-01 12:14:26] <rabble_bot> ^ US Upholds Use of Illegal Cluster Bombs as ‘Legitimate’ | News | teleSUR English
4027[2017-12-01 12:14:45] <schwizz> what did it work at though
4028[2017-12-01 12:14:52] <zapster> huh? 
4029[2017-12-01 12:14:53] <RandomCouch> ?
4030[2017-12-01 12:14:57] <schwizz> i tihnk it hasnt done anything or solved any problems
4031[2017-12-01 12:15:03] <RandomCouch> What are you talking about
4032[2017-12-01 12:15:07] <schwizz> net n
4033[2017-12-01 12:15:10] <RandomCouch> "It hasn't solved anything so let's create problems"
4034[2017-12-01 12:15:12] <zapster> you think that somehow forcing sites to pay to allow people to access them will help small business? 
4035[2017-12-01 12:15:14] <RandomCouch> ??
4036[2017-12-01 12:15:22] <schwizz> no the mentality is why do you need gov powers to solve nothing
4037[2017-12-01 12:15:26] <MuckySocks> the whole idea that terrorism is terrible is that civilians shouldn't be indiscriminately targetted
4038[2017-12-01 12:15:26] <schwizz> thats an overreach of gov power
4039[2017-12-01 12:15:34] <schwizz> you dont give the gov more powers to not solve anything
4040[2017-12-01 12:15:40] <RandomCouch> what? They're regulating the internet in a way that is fair for everyone
4041[2017-12-01 12:15:42] <RandomCouch> bits are bits
4042[2017-12-01 12:15:43] <schwizz> so its better for everyone to take those powers back
4043[2017-12-01 12:15:43] <zapster> because without it, they'll force every site to pay for the isps to allow people to see them
4044[2017-12-01 12:15:54] <MuckySocks> once you start selling cluster bombs for use in urban environments, you are the terrorist
4045[2017-12-01 12:15:55] <zapster> it's extortion
4046[2017-12-01 12:15:58] <RandomCouch> schwizz, no one is taking those powers back
4047[2017-12-01 12:16:02] <RandomCouch> the powers are going to the ISPs
4048[2017-12-01 12:16:05] <RandomCouch> without net n
4049[2017-12-01 12:16:06] <schwizz> there are other solutions to that
4050[2017-12-01 12:16:11] <RandomCouch> dude
4051[2017-12-01 12:16:12] <zapster> what powers are you talking about?
4052[2017-12-01 12:16:13] <schwizz> that dont include this net n
4053[2017-12-01 12:16:14] <schwizz> lol
4054[2017-12-01 12:16:15] <zapster> what solutions? 
4055[2017-12-01 12:16:29] <schwizz> the only solution to the problem you described
4056[2017-12-01 12:16:33] <schwizz> is not the current form of net n
4057[2017-12-01 12:16:35] <zapster> if the isps can charge each individual site, what solution is there to that? 
4058[2017-12-01 12:16:41] <RandomCouch> schwizz, what is the current problem you are seeing with the itnernet
4059[2017-12-01 12:16:45] <schwizz> they werent though
4060[2017-12-01 12:16:45] <RandomCouch> that would be solved without net n?
4061[2017-12-01 12:16:47] <RandomCouch> tell me
4062[2017-12-01 12:16:49] <noturfick> You
4063[2017-12-01 12:16:50] <schwizz> the probably didnt exist
4064[2017-12-01 12:16:55] <zapster> beacuse right now they aren't allowed to
4065[2017-12-01 12:17:00] <schwizz> they fixed a probllem that didnt exist
4066[2017-12-01 12:17:03] <zapster> but they tried to before this law was passed
4067[2017-12-01 12:17:06] <zapster> no it did exist
4068[2017-12-01 12:17:06] <schwizz> thats a bad use of time and resources
4069[2017-12-01 12:17:09] <zapster> already
4070[2017-12-01 12:17:09] <schwizz> and gov power
4071[2017-12-01 12:17:12] <noturfick> Ur mama
4072[2017-12-01 12:17:14] <Nelluk> https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/936682223025172481
4073[2017-12-01 12:17:16] <rabble_bot> ^ Sahil Kapur on Twitter: "Senate still hasn't released final text of the tax bill. McConnell says there'll be "plenty of time" to read it. He's hoping to vote on it t… https://t.co/YRVI7Q418z"
4074[2017-12-01 12:17:32] <zapster> http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-netflix-youtube-throttling-speeds-2017-7
4075[2017-12-01 12:17:32] <rabble_bot> ^ Verizon allegedly throttles Netflix, YouTube speeds for mobile users - Business Insider
4076[2017-12-01 12:17:35] <zapster> that is what they did
4077[2017-12-01 12:17:39] <zapster> and why the law was created
4078[2017-12-01 12:17:41] <schwizz> they are currenyl doing that though
4079[2017-12-01 12:17:44] <zapster> tehy DID do it 
4080[2017-12-01 12:17:45] <schwizz> even under net n
4081[2017-12-01 12:17:47] <zapster> now they can't
4082[2017-12-01 12:17:49] <zapster> no
4083[2017-12-01 12:17:51] <schwizz> net n hasnt stopped them
4084[2017-12-01 12:17:57] <zapster> yes it has
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4087[2017-12-01 12:18:10] <schwizz> https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/25/16025520/verizon-says-video-throttling-allowed-under-net-neutrality
4088[2017-12-01 12:18:11] <rabble_bot> ^ Verizon argues throttling video is allowed under net neutrality rules - The Verge
4089[2017-12-01 12:18:13] <schwizz> they are in court i think
4090[2017-12-01 12:18:23] <zapster> https://www.cnet.com/news/netflix-admits-throttling-video-speeds-on-at-t-verizon/
4091[2017-12-01 12:18:25] <rabble_bot> ^ Netflix: We're the ones throttling video speeds on AT&T and Verizon - CNET
4092[2017-12-01 12:18:32] <zapster> they did it. they aren't allowed to anymore
4093[2017-12-01 12:18:38] ← nomic left (~nomic4@host31-48-227-127.range31-48.btcentralplus.com): "Leaving"
4094[2017-12-01 12:18:41] <schwizz> this is during net n
4095[2017-12-01 12:18:43] <noturfick> My grandma's getting evicted
4096[2017-12-01 12:18:44] <schwizz> and they are taking it to court
4097[2017-12-01 12:18:46] <schwizz> so we will see
4098[2017-12-01 12:18:50] * noturfick → gentrification
4099[2017-12-01 12:19:14] <schwizz> there is a big problem with netflix
4100[2017-12-01 12:19:17] <schwizz> maybe that needs fixed here
4101[2017-12-01 12:19:25] <schwizz> its like 80% of the traffic or something ridiculous
4102[2017-12-01 12:19:35] <schwizz> it hosuld be charged more for honestly 
4103[2017-12-01 12:19:41] <schwizz> cause its using up all the resources
4104[2017-12-01 12:19:46] <schwizz> but thats a seperate conversation
4105[2017-12-01 12:20:00] <RandomCouch> <schwizz> net n hasnt stopped them <- this is factually wrong
4106[2017-12-01 12:20:04] <gentrification> Yeah since I live in the van I've been watching YouTube The Comedy Central app and the TMZ app pretty constantly and I'm pretty sure I got throttled and I'm not even mad because if I'm streaming for hours and hours every single day I don't know I paid $50 a month
4107[2017-12-01 12:20:06] <RandomCouch> this is what net n was made for
4108[2017-12-01 12:20:12] <gentrification> Actually I paid 60 but that includes 10 gigs of a hotspot
4109[2017-12-01 12:20:12] <schwizz> well who did it stop??
4110[2017-12-01 12:20:18] <RandomCouch> to put regulations that stop this behavior
4111[2017-12-01 12:20:21] <schwizz> who was doing it before net n?
4112[2017-12-01 12:20:24] <RandomCouch> that was extortion
4113[2017-12-01 12:20:26] <RandomCouch> by ISPs
4114[2017-12-01 12:20:30] <schwizz> and who did it stop once it was put in place?
4115[2017-12-01 12:20:30] <RandomCouch> Verizon
4116[2017-12-01 12:20:35] <RandomCouch> And Comcast
4117[2017-12-01 12:20:40] <schwizz> proof?
4118[2017-12-01 12:20:48] <RandomCouch> ... zap just linked you proof
4119[2017-12-01 12:20:49] <RandomCouch> earlier
4120[2017-12-01 12:20:52] <gentrification> Your mom
4121[2017-12-01 12:21:14] <zapster> now, with pai shutting down investigations, they've already started up again: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/verizons-throttling-of-video-should-be-investigated-by-fcc-petition-says/
4122[2017-12-01 12:21:16] <rabble_bot> ^ Verizon accused of violating net neutrality rules by throttling video | Ars Technica
4123[2017-12-01 12:21:23] <zapster> that didn't take long
4124[2017-12-01 12:21:29] <RandomCouch> lol jeez
4125[2017-12-01 12:21:37] <RandomCouch> they just jump right at the opportunity to do so
4126[2017-12-01 12:21:41] <RandomCouch> this is all they want
4127[2017-12-01 12:21:49] <RandomCouch> to extort big web companies
4128[2017-12-01 12:21:57] <zapster> you can bet they'll be on it instantly when pai kills net neutrality. they're just itching to do it 
4129[2017-12-01 12:22:06] <RandomCouch> yeah it's deplorable af
4130[2017-12-01 12:22:09] <schwizz> did you read teh fccs website?
4131[2017-12-01 12:22:42] <RandomCouch> schwizz, yes, and it is clear that they will not be like "We want to take away access so you have to pay more for your internet, and so that ISPs can extort companies"
4132[2017-12-01 12:22:48] <RandomCouch> That won't help their cause
4133[2017-12-01 12:23:05] <RandomCouch> They want you to think they're protecting the internet
4134[2017-12-01 12:23:14] <RandomCouch> just like Trump wanted people to think he's going to make America great
4135[2017-12-01 12:23:25] <RandomCouch> did you go on Trumps site during the elections and believe everything there?
4136[2017-12-01 12:23:26] <schwizz> hes doing more htan most =]
4137[2017-12-01 12:23:34] <RandomCouch> Right..
4138[2017-12-01 12:23:38] <schwizz> his list of accomplishments have baffled me
4139[2017-12-01 12:23:42] <RandomCouch> He appointed a fuckhead as FCC chairman
4140[2017-12-01 12:23:51] <schwizz> stuff hes gotten done under all out war against him
4141[2017-12-01 12:23:53] <schwizz> quite amazing
4142[2017-12-01 12:24:13] <RandomCouch> what trump achievement are you most proud of schwizz  ?
4143[2017-12-01 12:24:17] <Nelluk> lol
4144[2017-12-01 12:24:21] <schwizz> beating hillary
4145[2017-12-01 12:24:24] <schwizz> with ease
4146[2017-12-01 12:24:26] <RandomCouch> quite a feat...
4147[2017-12-01 12:24:32] <RandomCouch> really takes a lot to beat an idiot like hillary
4148[2017-12-01 12:24:33] <schwizz> against all the pundents and everyones oppinions
4149[2017-12-01 12:24:37] <schwizz> using pursuation liek a master
4150[2017-12-01 12:24:41] <schwizz> a master negotiater
4151[2017-12-01 12:24:46] <schwizz> its quite fantastic
4152[2017-12-01 12:24:55] <RandomCouch> ... oh because screaming "WRONG" at an argument is clearly a good counter argument.
4153[2017-12-01 12:24:56] <Nelluk> where have his master negotiation skills been apparent as president
4154[2017-12-01 12:25:00] <schwizz> it worked
4155[2017-12-01 12:25:09] <schwizz> you can say how idiotic oyu thin kit was
4156[2017-12-01 12:25:11] <schwizz> but it worked
4157[2017-12-01 12:25:25] <RandomCouch> That is even more alarming
4158[2017-12-01 12:25:27] <RandomCouch> the fact it worked...
4159[2017-12-01 12:25:31] <schwizz> not really
4160[2017-12-01 12:25:36] <RandomCouch> oh boy
4161[2017-12-01 12:25:36] <schwizz> i dont think atleast
4162[2017-12-01 12:25:42] <schwizz> peopolel dont make rational decisions
4163[2017-12-01 12:25:47] <RandomCouch> I'm not even affected by all of this here in Canada
4164[2017-12-01 12:25:51] <RandomCouch> but I find it outrageous
4165[2017-12-01 12:25:56] <MuckySocks> FREE JEET
4166[2017-12-01 12:25:57] <schwizz> i wouldnt expect them to start during the last elections
4167[2017-12-01 12:26:33] <zapster> http://www.democracynow.org/2017/12/1/new_investigation_finds_us_special_forces
4168[2017-12-01 12:26:34] <rabble_bot> ^ New Investigation Finds U.S. Special Forces Massacred Somali Civilians & Orchestrated a Cover-Up | Democracy Now!
4169[2017-12-01 12:26:39] <schwizz> for example talk about the wall
4170[2017-12-01 12:26:50] <schwizz> masterful negotiation and pursuation
4171[2017-12-01 12:26:56] <Nelluk> lol
4172[2017-12-01 12:27:18] <zapster> so schwizz thinks paying more for the internet than she does now is a good thing. 
4173[2017-12-01 12:27:20] <zapster> got it. 
4174[2017-12-01 12:27:21] <zapster> lol
4175[2017-12-01 12:27:23] <schwizz> he took something that wasnt a hot topic issue
4176[2017-12-01 12:27:28] <schwizz> and through crafty pursuation
4177[2017-12-01 12:27:33] <schwizz> got everyone talking about it
4178[2017-12-01 12:27:45] <RandomCouch> schwizz, would like to see her internet usage getting throttled depending on what content she is viewing
4179[2017-12-01 12:27:46] <schwizz> saying its a walland mexico is going ot pay for it
4180[2017-12-01 12:27:51] <schwizz> thats intentionally wrong
4181[2017-12-01 12:27:55] <schwizz> so people talk about it
4182[2017-12-01 12:28:00] <schwizz> then 
4183[2017-12-01 12:28:12] <schwizz> when it comes time to do it, you back off, this is a negotiation tactic
4184[2017-12-01 12:28:15] <schwizz> you start with a high bid
4185[2017-12-01 12:28:21] <schwizz> so it creates a bias towards your high bid
4186[2017-12-01 12:28:29] <schwizz> so whenoyu back off it, it seems reasonable
4187[2017-12-01 12:28:33] <schwizz> thats a business man
4188[2017-12-01 12:28:37] <Nelluk> masterful.. where did he come up with such a tactic. did God himself touch trump's brain?
4189[2017-12-01 12:28:40] <schwizz> he did it with the muslim ban too
4190[2017-12-01 12:28:42] <RandomCouch> a business man is not a politican though, schwizz 
4191[2017-12-01 12:28:47] <schwizz> he created pursuation aroudn the issue
4192[2017-12-01 12:28:48] <DilloMeister> lol Nelluk
4193[2017-12-01 12:28:53] <schwizz> put high negotiation out there
4194[2017-12-01 12:28:56] <schwizz> then backed it off
4195[2017-12-01 12:28:59] <schwizz> to get someting done
4196[2017-12-01 12:29:02] <RandomCouch> this is not what politics is about
4197[2017-12-01 12:29:08] <schwizz> this negotiations 101
4198[2017-12-01 12:29:18] <schwizz> this is waht trump is about and it works
4199[2017-12-01 12:29:21] <RandomCouch> he is the president, not a business man, nor a negociator
4200[2017-12-01 12:29:25] <Nelluk> so is he master or a 101-level negotiator 
4201[2017-12-01 12:29:26] <schwizz> its not normal for poltician sure
4202[2017-12-01 12:29:29] <schwizz> but it was masterful
4203[2017-12-01 12:29:57] <RandomCouch> he is also not much of a master at anything, a lot of his moves seem spontaneous and based on random emotions
4204[2017-12-01 12:30:07] <schwizz> hes the president lol
4205[2017-12-01 12:30:11] <schwizz> that was never a politician
4206[2017-12-01 12:30:18] <schwizz> so hes just better then them at alll of it
4207[2017-12-01 12:30:21] <RandomCouch> that should never have been president
4208[2017-12-01 12:30:22] <schwizz> but no master i guess
4209[2017-12-01 12:30:23] <schwizz> lol
4210[2017-12-01 12:30:33] <schwizz> he has like none of the qualities of a politician
4211[2017-12-01 12:30:34] <schwizz> and still won
4212[2017-12-01 12:30:35] <RandomCouch> How can you say he is better
4213[2017-12-01 12:30:37] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Napolitano On Flynn's Plea Deal: 'Enormous, Gargantuan, Monumental Reduction' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/judge-napolitano-flynns-plea-deal-its>
4214[2017-12-01 12:30:38] <schwizz> obviuosly hes very gifted at it
4215[2017-12-01 12:30:43] <RandomCouch> when he is doing a lot of damage
4216[2017-12-01 12:30:44] <schwizz> to win in a game that he doesnt even play
4217[2017-12-01 12:31:01] <schwizz> its liek switching from professionall football to baseball
4218[2017-12-01 12:31:06] <schwizz> never playing baseball
4219[2017-12-01 12:31:10] <schwizz> and going out and hitting homeruns
4220[2017-12-01 12:31:13] <schwizz> winning games
4221[2017-12-01 12:31:41] <schwizz> if you cant give him atleast that credit, then you wolnt ever appreciate his approach
4222[2017-12-01 12:31:57] <RandomCouch> I don't appreciate him as a person
4223[2017-12-01 12:32:02] <schwizz> you cant look at it as a politics game, you gotta loook at it asa business game, and his moves are predictable
4224[2017-12-01 12:32:06] <RandomCouch> normally big egos repel me
4225[2017-12-01 12:32:08] <schwizz> and effective
4226[2017-12-01 12:32:16] <RandomCouch> and are not indicators of a good person
4227[2017-12-01 12:32:31] <schwizz> id agree
4228[2017-12-01 12:32:40] <schwizz> but efffective
4229[2017-12-01 12:32:50] <schwizz> its not the position that a good person is going to succeed
4230[2017-12-01 12:32:56] <schwizz> washington is brutal
4231[2017-12-01 12:33:03] <schwizz> good peopel dont rise to the top
4232[2017-12-01 12:33:25] <schwizz> even most republicans have always had a neggative approval of trump
4233[2017-12-01 12:33:32] <schwizz> but they still voted for him
4234[2017-12-01 12:33:38] <schwizz> they dont like him, and dont have to
4235[2017-12-01 12:33:43] <schwizz> thats not a requirement
4236[2017-12-01 12:33:46] <schwizz> to be likable
4237[2017-12-01 12:34:03] <RandomCouch> Obama was much more likable as a person
4238[2017-12-01 12:34:17] <RandomCouch> he had good humor and humility and not to mention when he speaks he actually makes sense
4239[2017-12-01 12:34:32] <RandomCouch> he can articulate well
4240[2017-12-01 12:34:38] <RandomCouch> and his sentences are clear and understood.
4241[2017-12-01 12:34:47] <RandomCouch> Where as Trump repeats a lot of the same thigns and says a lot of vague shit 
4242[2017-12-01 12:35:01] <RandomCouch> "I've been told by experts that I nkow personally that this and that"
4243[2017-12-01 12:35:08] <schwizz> intentional
4244[2017-12-01 12:35:10] <RandomCouch> "This guy called me the other day and told me [...]"
4245[2017-12-01 12:35:17] <RandomCouch> um, he is not credible at all.
4246[2017-12-01 12:35:37] <RandomCouch> How people believed him?? No idea.
4247[2017-12-01 12:35:40] <schwizz> see people arent rational, and dont really care about facts beleive it or not
4248[2017-12-01 12:35:51] <schwizz> most decisions are not made on fact
4249[2017-12-01 12:35:56] <schwizz> so he can lie or say things that arent false
4250[2017-12-01 12:36:01] <schwizz> and that doesnt effectmost people
4251[2017-12-01 12:36:04] <schwizz> beleive it or not
4252[2017-12-01 12:36:07] <schwizz> its kind of a fine line
4253[2017-12-01 12:36:09] <RandomCouch> I don't believe it lol.
4254[2017-12-01 12:36:12] <schwizz> as long as conceptually its ok
4255[2017-12-01 12:36:21] <RandomCouch> I have hope that most people aren't this stupid.
4256[2017-12-01 12:36:22] <schwizz> like say border security vs a wall accross the whole thing
4257[2017-12-01 12:36:27] <schwizz> of course the wall is ridiculous
4258[2017-12-01 12:36:30] <schwizz> and not true
4259[2017-12-01 12:36:44] <RandomCouch> mhm, but it got people hyped up
4260[2017-12-01 12:36:45] <schwizz> its more than a wall, its more agents, electronics and other border security changes
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4263[2017-12-01 12:37:06] <schwizz> but hes not wrong, by just talking about hte wall, the bigger concent is correct
4264[2017-12-01 12:37:06] <RandomCouch> but see that hype, the fact people got hyped for the wall, is alarming and was a problem in itself in american society
4265[2017-12-01 12:37:10] <schwizz> wee have  problem with border security
4266[2017-12-01 12:37:14] <schwizz> so thats enough for most people
4267[2017-12-01 12:37:15] <nomic> Over the next 13 years, the rising tide of automation will force as many as 70 million workers in the United States to find another way to make money, a new study from the global consultancy McKinsey predicts.That means nearly a third of the American workforce could face the need to pick up new skills or enter different fields in the near future, said the report's co-author, Michael Chui, a partner at the 
4268[2017-12-01 12:37:15] <nomic> McKinsey Global Institute who studies business and economics.“We believe that everyone will need to do retraining over time,” he said.
4269[2017-12-01 12:37:24] <schwizz> and its pursuasive because it gets people talking about
4270[2017-12-01 12:37:28] <schwizz> you cant build a wall
4271[2017-12-01 12:37:32] <schwizz> talk talk talk
4272[2017-12-01 12:37:35] <schwizz> now its a hot ietm
4273[2017-12-01 12:37:43] <schwizz> and trump is still on the general correct path
4274[2017-12-01 12:37:47] <RandomCouch> nomic, I'd call that evolution :P
4275[2017-12-01 12:37:50] <schwizz> that hes righ twe have a problem that needs fixed
4276[2017-12-01 12:37:59] <schwizz> so thats why he can be factually wrong, but not lose support
4277[2017-12-01 12:38:00] <JamGobbar> problem is not enough mexicans
4278[2017-12-01 12:38:02] <JamGobbar> immigrating
4279[2017-12-01 12:38:03] <JamGobbar> we need more
4280[2017-12-01 12:38:06] <schwizz> the facts arent as important as the overal goal
4281[2017-12-01 12:38:39] <RandomCouch> schwizz, I really doubt he planned it this way
4282[2017-12-01 12:38:45] <schwizz> its a tactic, you dont honestly beleive that he really thought he was going to get this wall done accross the entire thing and stop all illegals and have mexico pay for it
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4284[2017-12-01 12:38:47] <RandomCouch> I think he just talked out of his ass and hoped for the best
4285[2017-12-01 12:38:51] <RandomCouch> and to his surprise he got elected
4286[2017-12-01 12:39:03] <schwizz> he knew the real full solution, but it was tactic to keep just callling it a wall
4287[2017-12-01 12:39:08] <schwizz> inspight of all the challenges to it
4288[2017-12-01 12:39:29] <RandomCouch> I assume you watched the electoral debates
4289[2017-12-01 12:39:30] <MuckySocks> which is what we told you last year
4290[2017-12-01 12:39:36] <RandomCouch> He performed very poorly
4291[2017-12-01 12:39:44] <RandomCouch> saying words that don't even exist in the english dictionary
4292[2017-12-01 12:39:54] <schwizz> according to you, but you probably werent a supporter
4293[2017-12-01 12:39:56] <RandomCouch> and countering arguments just by saying "WRONG"
4294[2017-12-01 12:40:01] <schwizz> he had some great moments
4295[2017-12-01 12:40:04] <RandomCouch> and constantly interrupting and adhom attacking his opponents
4296[2017-12-01 12:40:09] <RandomCouch> very horrible debater
4297[2017-12-01 12:40:15] <schwizz> liek when he told hillar she would be in jail if he was something or another
4298[2017-12-01 12:40:18] <MuckySocks> you're entering a world of pain RandomCouch 
4299[2017-12-01 12:40:25] <schwizz> like wow epic stuff you never hear in a president debate
4300[2017-12-01 12:40:31] <RandomCouch> lol MuckySocks 
4301[2017-12-01 12:40:34] <RandomCouch> Yeah this hurts
4302[2017-12-01 12:40:34] <schwizz> and the stuff he said against the other sin teh primary
4303[2017-12-01 12:40:36] <JamGobbar> cringeworthy you mean
4304[2017-12-01 12:40:44] <JamGobbar> trump lost both of those debates
4305[2017-12-01 12:40:50] <RandomCouch> mhm
4306[2017-12-01 12:40:54] <schwizz> according to who?
4307[2017-12-01 12:40:57] <schwizz> not the general election
4308[2017-12-01 12:40:59] <zapster> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/j5dx9d/holy-shit-note-found-in-jesus-statue-butt-vgtrn
4309[2017-12-01 12:40:59] <rabble_bot> ^ A Priest Used Jesus's Butt as a Time Capsule - VICE
4310[2017-12-01 12:41:02] <JamGobbar> good thing he had russians hacking for him and GOP voter suppressing for him
4311[2017-12-01 12:41:09] <JamGobbar> thats a garunteed win
4312[2017-12-01 12:41:10] <schwizz> he lost it , but at the44 end of the day he won the prize
4313[2017-12-01 12:41:11] <RandomCouch> schwizz, I wasn't a supporter because I don't live in the states
4314[2017-12-01 12:41:13] <schwizz> so are you sure he lost?
4315[2017-12-01 12:41:15] <MuckySocks> JamGobbar, most of Jonestown agrees with schwizz and you aren't changing their minds
4316[2017-12-01 12:41:19] <RandomCouch> but if I was I wouldn't support either clinton or Trump
4317[2017-12-01 12:41:22] <schwizz> or maybe you just think he lost and a lot of peopel also thought he won
4318[2017-12-01 12:41:22] <JamGobbar> i could give a fuck
4319[2017-12-01 12:41:23] <RandomCouch> I would have probably voted for Berns
4320[2017-12-01 12:41:26] <schwizz> i think its more the 2nd
4321[2017-12-01 12:41:29] <JamGobbar> im not here to change deplorable minds
4322[2017-12-01 12:41:32] <nomic> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/30/robots-could-soon-replace-nearly-a-third-of-the-u-s-workforce/?utm_term=.e4cc75bc88b3
4323[2017-12-01 12:41:33] <rabble_bot> ^ Robots could replace nearly a third of the U.S. workforce by 2030 - The Washington Post
4324[2017-12-01 12:41:34] <JamGobbar> i dont think they're smart enough anyways
4325[2017-12-01 12:41:42] <schwizz> you shouldnt talk if oyu arent american or didnt vote
4326[2017-12-01 12:42:02] <MuckySocks> this is not a US only channel schwizz 
4327[2017-12-01 12:42:08] <MuckySocks> we aren't illegal aliens ;)
4328[2017-12-01 12:42:10] <schwizz> well the us election and who won the debates
4329[2017-12-01 12:42:16] <schwizz> is a voter decision
4330[2017-12-01 12:42:17] <RandomCouch> schwizz, why not? This affects me as a Canadian too
4331[2017-12-01 12:42:17] <schwizz> imo
4332[2017-12-01 12:42:27] <RandomCouch> I have the right to have an opinion on the matter.
4333[2017-12-01 12:42:34] <schwizz> well cause it doesnt matter who you personsally think won a debate
4334[2017-12-01 12:42:37] <schwizz> you didnt vote
4335[2017-12-01 12:42:41] <schwizz> it had no impact the race
4336[2017-12-01 12:42:56] <schwizz> there was no score, theres no winner
4337[2017-12-01 12:42:57] <RandomCouch> I wouldn't have voted even if I could because the last 2 candidates were complete shit
4338[2017-12-01 12:42:58] <schwizz> thats subjective
4339[2017-12-01 12:43:14] <schwizz> yep
4340[2017-12-01 12:43:15] <RandomCouch> and the worst part is
4341[2017-12-01 12:43:20] <RandomCouch> the people picked the smelliest turd
4342[2017-12-01 12:43:22] <RandomCouch> of those 2
4343[2017-12-01 12:43:49] <schwizz> so why woudlnt you vote for hillary then?
4344[2017-12-01 12:43:52] <RandomCouch> which lead me to think, for a while, that american people are just not that smart.
4345[2017-12-01 12:43:54] <schwizz> knowing hta ttrump is worse?
4346[2017-12-01 12:44:13] <MuckySocks> bridge porn https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/The_toll_bridge_at_Penmaenpool_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1429200.jpg
4347[2017-12-01 12:44:14] <schwizz> if you can clearly say that trump is the worse of the two, then you would vote for hillary right?
4348[2017-12-01 12:44:21] <RandomCouch> schwizz, no.
4349[2017-12-01 12:44:26] <JamGobbar> RandomCouch: well atleast  a certain subset of americans
4350[2017-12-01 12:44:27] <schwizz> then that doesnt make sense
4351[2017-12-01 12:44:28] <zapster> http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/11/google-ministry-truth-intensifies-suppressing-fake-news.html
4352[2017-12-01 12:44:29] <rabble_bot> ^ Google 'Ministry of Truth' intensifies suppressing 'fake news' (such as this)
4353[2017-12-01 12:44:29] <JamGobbar> known as the deplorables
4354[2017-12-01 12:44:37] <schwizz> not voting says you dont care either way
4355[2017-12-01 12:44:47] <zapster> On November 18th, Google’s CEO Eric Schmidt spoke about how Google will help to defeat Russia. He said that Google helps in this effort not by “censoring” Russian newsmedia, but by “de-ranking” them in Google web-searches, so that web-pages from these sites, which he calls “propaganda,” will show so far down in the rankings in any Google-search, so that users of Google will not encounter (or will be vastly l
4356[2017-12-01 12:44:48] <zapster> ess likely to encounter) Russian sites — or any other non-mainstream sites (such as this one), which refuse unquestioningly to trumpet government lies.
4357[2017-12-01 12:44:53] <RandomCouch> schwizz, I do care, but the 2 options given were ridiculous
4358[2017-12-01 12:44:58] <RandomCouch> and it was unfair to be left with those 2 options
4359[2017-12-01 12:45:04] <MuckySocks> FREE JEET
4360[2017-12-01 12:45:22] <MuckySocks> can you give an example of a site whose results have been downgraded by google and a subject which they have published ?
4361[2017-12-01 12:45:43] <RandomCouch> schwizz, Hitler, Stalin or Genghis Kahn - Fuck, marry, kill
4362[2017-12-01 12:45:53] <RandomCouch> have fun with these choices
4363[2017-12-01 12:46:02] <zapster> What Orwell failed to predict is that we'd buy the cameras ourselves, and that our biggest fear would be that nobody was watching.
4364[2017-12-01 12:46:17] <MuckySocks> heheh
4365[2017-12-01 12:46:29] <schwizz> fuck kahn, kill stalin, mary hitler lol
4366[2017-12-01 12:46:33] <RandomCouch> lol
4367[2017-12-01 12:46:45] <schwizz> kahn is probably the most fun
4368[2017-12-01 12:46:51] <RandomCouch> chances are you're related to kahn, so that's incest.
4369[2017-12-01 12:46:51] <schwizz> stalin killed more than hitler
4370[2017-12-01 12:47:06] <schwizz> and hitler actuallly had a pre high standard of living in the prime
4371[2017-12-01 12:47:21] <schwizz> that only matters if its the mother fucking hte son or something
4372[2017-12-01 12:47:24] <schwizz> for incest related shit
4373[2017-12-01 12:47:32] <RandomCouch> lol
4374[2017-12-01 12:47:35] <schwizz> its far enough removed
4375[2017-12-01 12:47:39] <schwizz> lol
4376[2017-12-01 12:47:48] <schwizz> i was thinking the same thing though originally
4377[2017-12-01 12:47:58] <schwizz> well we alll have a little kahn in us already lol
4378[2017-12-01 12:48:01] <RandomCouch> Well then, you get my point though... if you are left with 2 choices and you hate both, but one more than the other
4379[2017-12-01 12:48:11] <schwizz> still made the choice
4380[2017-12-01 12:48:12] <RandomCouch> will you choose the one you hate the least, or not choose at all
4381[2017-12-01 12:48:21] <schwizz> still would rather mary hitler than stalin or khan
4382[2017-12-01 12:48:28] <schwizz> although khan would be pretty fuck
4383[2017-12-01 12:48:36] <JamGobbar> right, well i coulda guessed that yesterday
4384[2017-12-01 12:48:36] <schwizz> fun
4385[2017-12-01 12:48:39] <RandomCouch> he'd get rough on yu
4386[2017-12-01 12:48:49] <RandomCouch> also would give you a creampie cause that's what he does
4387[2017-12-01 12:48:55] <schwizz> sweet
4388[2017-12-01 12:49:07] <zapster> http://thefreethoughtproject.com/school-turns-6yo-muslim-boy-syndrome-police-claiming-hes-terrorist/
4389[2017-12-01 12:49:08] <rabble_bot> ^ Cops Shakedown 6yo Boy With Down Syndrome After Teacher Accuses Him of Being a Terrorist
4390[2017-12-01 12:49:27] <JamGobbar> Trump's america
4391[2017-12-01 12:49:29] <RandomCouch> jeez
4392[2017-12-01 12:49:45] <RandomCouch> Remember the outrage after Trump got elected? All those students in schools shouting "BUILD THE WALL"
4393[2017-12-01 12:49:58] <RandomCouch> meanwhile non-white kids are just fucking terrified
4394[2017-12-01 12:50:01] <RandomCouch> and feel like they don't belong
4395[2017-12-01 12:50:05] <RandomCouch> must feel great
4396[2017-12-01 12:50:10] <schwizz> lol you ahve be challenged to somehow blame that on trump
4397[2017-12-01 12:50:20] <RandomCouch> Ah right he had no racist content in his rallies
4398[2017-12-01 12:50:26] <zapster> http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-mistake-colostomy-bag-gun/
4399[2017-12-01 12:50:27] <rabble_bot> ^ WATCH: Cops Mistake Innocent Man's Colostomy Bag for a Gun—Beat, Taser, Mace Him
4400[2017-12-01 12:50:29] <zapster> jeezus
4401[2017-12-01 12:50:46] <RandomCouch> Cops need better eye exams
4402[2017-12-01 12:50:58] <JamGobbar> yeah why would you blame a president that has hired his own force of immigration shock troops would encourage an environment of distrust towards mexican/muslims by law enforcement
4403[2017-12-01 12:51:03] <JamGobbar> no connection there whatsoever!
4404[2017-12-01 12:51:05] <zapster> http://thefreethoughtproject.com/graphic-body-cam-cops-kill-laundry/
4405[2017-12-01 12:51:06] <rabble_bot> ^ Graphic Body Cam Shows Cops Taser, Choke Dad to Death As He Did Laundry
4406[2017-12-01 12:51:23] <RandomCouch> Right? It must just be the people being people
4407[2017-12-01 12:51:28] <RandomCouch> totally not influenced by any political event
4408[2017-12-01 12:51:33] <RandomCouch> such as Trump becoming president
4409[2017-12-01 12:51:35] <JamGobbar> lol
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4412[2017-12-01 12:51:39] <zapster> http://thefreethoughtproject.com/baltimore-police-fbi-investigate-whitleblower-cops-death/
4413[2017-12-01 12:51:39] <rabble_bot> ^ Baltimore Police Now Blocking FBI from Investigating Murder of Cop Set to Testify Against Fellow Cops
4414[2017-12-01 12:51:45] <zapster> cops are out of control
4415[2017-12-01 12:51:56] <JamGobbar> wow
4416[2017-12-01 12:51:59] <RandomCouch> damn
4417[2017-12-01 12:52:00] <JamGobbar> baltimore especially
4418[2017-12-01 12:52:01] <RandomCouch> wtf is going on
4419[2017-12-01 12:52:09] <JamGobbar> remember they've been caught not once but i think twice now
4420[2017-12-01 12:52:15] <JamGobbar> planting drugs 
4421[2017-12-01 12:52:20] <RandomCouch> why are body cams not mandatory yet
4422[2017-12-01 12:52:23] <RandomCouch> on cops
4423[2017-12-01 12:52:25] <JamGobbar> cuz they thought their body cams werent on
4424[2017-12-01 12:52:37] <JamGobbar> why isnt it mandatory they leave them on 100% of the time
4425[2017-12-01 12:52:47] <RandomCouch> oh
4426[2017-12-01 12:53:08] <zapster> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SZyf1oM85lY/Wh3SQJC1BQI/AAAAAAABT-s/dyIIoMjrqg4wyq6fDx8TYBdZoWaBHSirQCLcBGAs/s1600/23559793_712622385594997_2790873583878749215_n.png
4427[2017-12-01 12:53:45] <MuckySocks> "Family has since filed a lawsuit against the City of Anaheim who will likely lose and the taxpayers will undoubtedly be held accountable for the violent results of a failed war on drugs"
4428[2017-12-01 12:55:11] <zapster> The GOP tax reform plan barreling toward a vote in the Senate could deal a devastating blow to the renewable energy industry. Unlike the more draconian House version, the Senate bill does not slash renewable tax credits directly, but it does impose steep taxes on the companies that help finance renewable development.
4429[2017-12-01 12:55:19] <zapster> talk about picking winners and losers 
4430[2017-12-01 12:55:45] <DilloMeister> which is exactly what the government should not be doing
4431[2017-12-01 12:56:10] <zapster> notice they aren't eliminating the tax breaks for big oil
4432[2017-12-01 12:56:47] <zapster> actually that is what it should be doing, in the public interest. killing off solar and wind is *not* in the public interest
4433[2017-12-01 12:56:49] <RandomCouch> I bet trump is just keeping business that he has stakes in alive
4434[2017-12-01 12:57:11] <RandomCouch> and eliminating their competitions
4435[2017-12-01 12:57:11] <MuckySocks> this shit where families can't afford to pursue cop killers in law and end up settling and promising to drop the case
4436[2017-12-01 12:57:20] <MuckySocks> thats almost worse than trump
4437[2017-12-01 12:57:43] <MuckySocks> that is like third world corruption
4438[2017-12-01 12:57:45] <zapster> just like it should be acting to rein in wall street abuses
4439[2017-12-01 12:58:07] <zapster> https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/special-giveaways-in-tax-cut-bill-benefit-family-members-colleagues-of-key-gop-senators/
4440[2017-12-01 12:58:10] <rabble_bot> ^ Special Giveaways in Tax Cut Bill Benefit Family Members, Colleagues of Key GOP Senators
4441[2017-12-01 12:58:11] <zapster> yep.
4442[2017-12-01 12:58:13] <JamGobbar> Jared Kushner is the “very senior" Trump transition member who directed Michael Flynn to contact the Russian ambassador, sources say.
4443[2017-12-01 12:58:14] <zapster> that too
4444[2017-12-01 12:58:19] <JamGobbar> oh
4445[2017-12-01 12:58:28] <zapster> and why is that nefarious, exactly?
4446[2017-12-01 12:58:30] <JamGobbar> from trump to kushner to flynn
4447[2017-12-01 12:58:35] <JamGobbar> the collussion just keeps growing
4448[2017-12-01 12:58:41] <zapster> was some crime committed? 
4449[2017-12-01 12:58:47] <zapster> what was the crime? 
4450[2017-12-01 12:58:51] <JamGobbar> so far today: lying to the fbi
4451[2017-12-01 12:58:56] <JamGobbar> flynn admitted it
4452[2017-12-01 12:59:00] <JamGobbar> and is cutting a deal for it
4453[2017-12-01 12:59:08] <schwizz> right so the lack of any collusion keeps growing lol
4454[2017-12-01 12:59:10] <zapster> could get anybody in DC for that. and there's no reason to believe he actually did, either. 
4455[2017-12-01 12:59:14] <JamGobbar> rofl
4456[2017-12-01 12:59:20] <JamGobbar> uh-huh, 
4457[2017-12-01 12:59:21] <Nelluk> him admitting to it is not a reason to believe that he did
4458[2017-12-01 12:59:21] <zapster> plea deals are routinely coerced from innocent people
4459[2017-12-01 12:59:22] <Nelluk> ?
4460[2017-12-01 12:59:30] <zapster> especially by the fbi
4461[2017-12-01 12:59:34] <JamGobbar> Nelluk: not in zapster world
4462[2017-12-01 12:59:40] <JamGobbar> rofl
4463[2017-12-01 12:59:47] <zapster> happens a lot. so why assume otherwise? 
4464[2017-12-01 13:00:02] <JamGobbar> Jared Kushner is the “very senior member of the Presidential Transition Team” who directed Michael Flynn to contact the Russian ambassador, and other countries, regarding the UN Security Council vote on Israeli settlements, according to sources familiar with the matter.
4465[2017-12-01 13:00:18] <zapster> was he lying about some crime he committed? 
4466[2017-12-01 13:00:22] <zapster> why would he lie? 
4467[2017-12-01 13:00:31] <JamGobbar> why indeed
4468[2017-12-01 13:00:33] <JamGobbar> why why indeed
4469[2017-12-01 13:00:37] <zapster> what was the motive? 
4470[2017-12-01 13:00:49] <zapster> if there's no motive, maybe he really didn't lie
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4472[2017-12-01 13:01:06] <Nelluk> reportedly, he is prepared to testify that Candidate Trump directed him (flynn) to make contact with the russians
4473[2017-12-01 13:01:08] <JamGobbar> rofl @ zapster assuming because they havent released the motive yet that their is none
4474[2017-12-01 13:01:29] <schwizz> in this country you are innocent until proven guilty JamGobbar
4475[2017-12-01 13:01:29] <zapster> and you assume that there is one in spite of their being no evidence for it. 
4476[2017-12-01 13:01:31] <zapster> LOL
4477[2017-12-01 13:01:37] <schwizz> they ahve prove guilt, not innocense
4478[2017-12-01 13:01:40] <Nelluk> schwizz: or until you admit guilty...
4479[2017-12-01 13:01:40] <JamGobbar> rofl @ their being no evidence of it
4480[2017-12-01 13:01:51] <schwizz> sure
4481[2017-12-01 13:02:00] <zapster> as you have assumed that they're telling the truth in spite of a total lack of evidence for everything.
4482[2017-12-01 13:02:04] <zapster> WMD much? 
4483[2017-12-01 13:02:11] <schwizz> pleaing is done for a variety of reasons
4484[2017-12-01 13:02:54] <JamGobbar> https://i.imgur.com/ggMzgfO.jpg <<=-- real american heros, mueller is therere!
4485[2017-12-01 13:02:57] <zapster> as if the US government has *never ever* conducted witchhands with dubious charges on no evidence ever before! 
4486[2017-12-01 13:03:03] <zapster> *witchhunts
4487[2017-12-01 13:03:05] <schwizz> what was the question and lie, anyone even find that?
4488[2017-12-01 13:03:07] <RandomCouch> imo pleading guilty should be enough to determine if guilty or not, as long as it was done rightfully and not a forced plea by FBI
4489[2017-12-01 13:03:41] <schwizz> none of that matters
4490[2017-12-01 13:03:48] <schwizz> cause lieing isnt collusion with the russians
4491[2017-12-01 13:03:53] <JamGobbar> lmao
4492[2017-12-01 13:03:57] <schwizz> innocent or guilty has ntohign to do with collusion
4493[2017-12-01 13:04:01] <JamGobbar> keep telling yourself that this is not collusion
4494[2017-12-01 13:04:05] <schwizz> thast the overarching thing
4495[2017-12-01 13:04:06] <JamGobbar> the deplorable mantra
4496[2017-12-01 13:04:08] <MuckySocks> she will
4497[2017-12-01 13:04:18] <schwizz> keep telling yourself theres some magic evidence coming oout someday proving
4498[2017-12-01 13:04:25] <schwizz> cause it hasnt come out yet
4499[2017-12-01 13:04:35] <JamGobbar> lol, right thats why flynn is pleaing, cuz they have nothing on him
4500[2017-12-01 13:04:45] <zapster> https://consortiumnews.com/2017/11/28/russia-gate-inquisitors-subpoena-journalist/
4501[2017-12-01 13:04:47] <rabble_bot> ^ Russia-gate Inquisitors Subpoena Journalist – Consortiumnews
4502[2017-12-01 13:04:50] <zapster> pure mccarthyism
4503[2017-12-01 13:05:08] <JamGobbar> poor mccarthy gets a bad rap, turns out he was onto something
4504[2017-12-01 13:05:10] <RandomCouch> JamGobbar, despite our gut feelings we have to convince those who aren't convinced using hard evidence
4505[2017-12-01 13:05:13] <JamGobbar> lol
4506[2017-12-01 13:05:27] <RandomCouch> it's the only way we can cooperate with each other over what to do about the issues
4507[2017-12-01 13:05:29] <RandomCouch> once proven true
4508[2017-12-01 13:05:53] <JamGobbar> well we cant provide evidence we dont have because of an ongoing investigation, thats why the constant pleas for it are disengenuous at best
4509[2017-12-01 13:06:05] <zapster> Randy Credico:  This is a replay of the 1950s, of the Palmer Raids earlier. This is a very significant moment. A person can still be blacklisted. And it is being done by Democrats! What bothers me most is the fact that you have people from the intelligence community who get to testify publicly and without challenge. People like me have to do it privately.
4510[2017-12-01 13:06:13] <RandomCouch> Yeah, every time there is news about it I'm just hoping for some evidence lol
4511[2017-12-01 13:06:18] <JamGobbar> all we have is who's been indicted, and who is making a deal
4512[2017-12-01 13:06:25] <zapster> there is no evidence. 
4513[2017-12-01 13:06:29] <JamGobbar> rofl
4514[2017-12-01 13:06:35] <JamGobbar> yeah and then that sterling line comes up
4515[2017-12-01 13:06:41] <zapster> until they present some, I'm chalking it up to harassment and mccarthyism
4516[2017-12-01 13:06:58] — JamGobbar chalks it up to a valid investigation started by the federal government
4517[2017-12-01 13:06:59] <zapster> which is how people were coerced into 'pleading guilty' then, too. 
4518[2017-12-01 13:07:13] <zapster> with no probable cause that I can see
4519[2017-12-01 13:07:38] <zapster> hundreds also "pleaded guilty" with mccarthy too. 
4520[2017-12-01 13:07:41] <zapster> remember that. 
4521[2017-12-01 13:07:51] <JamGobbar> https://www.nbcnews.com/video/flynn-issues-statement-i-accept-full-responsibility-for-my-actions-1107654723666
4522[2017-12-01 13:07:52] <rabble_bot> ^ Flynn issues statement: ‘I accept full responsibility for my actions’ - NBC News
4523[2017-12-01 13:07:59] <MuckySocks> do you have some specific reason in this case ?
4524[2017-12-01 13:08:11] <schwizz> so flynn got busted lieing about not whether he was incontact with russians about a UN sanctions resolution
4525[2017-12-01 13:08:14] <RandomCouch>  The document accuses Flynn of making "materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements" to law enforcement about a phone call he had with former Russian Ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak. The statements were made on January 24, four days after Trump was inaugurated.
4526[2017-12-01 13:08:17] <Nelluk> of course not humbot.. only that it doesnt fit her narrative
4527[2017-12-01 13:08:25] <JamGobbar> heh
4528[2017-12-01 13:08:26] <schwizz> but about wheter he suggested to they take no action on it
4529[2017-12-01 13:08:33] <zapster> when it turns out that this is all a witch hunt, what do you think the odds of dems getting elected going forward are gonna be? 
4530[2017-12-01 13:08:33] <MuckySocks> just repeatedly stating that people pleading guilty doesn't make them guilty is a massive fucking waste of our time
4531[2017-12-01 13:08:34] <RandomCouch> While that is not clear evidence
4532[2017-12-01 13:08:35] <RandomCouch> of a collusion
4533[2017-12-01 13:08:37] <schwizz> so he todl teh russians not to overreact to new sanctions
4534[2017-12-01 13:08:38] <zapster> they're cutting their own throats
4535[2017-12-01 13:08:42] <RandomCouch> it still screams collusion
4536[2017-12-01 13:08:42] <schwizz> not illegal
4537[2017-12-01 13:08:53] <schwizz> he just didnt reveal that to the FBI during voluntary questioning
4538[2017-12-01 13:08:59] <JamGobbar> when this all ends trump is going to be in prison
4539[2017-12-01 13:09:00] <schwizz> nothing ot do with the elections
4540[2017-12-01 13:09:04] <zapster> but people pleading guilty were *not* guilty throughout the mccarthy witchhunts
4541[2017-12-01 13:09:06] <JamGobbar> and russia will have even more sanctions than before
4542[2017-12-01 13:09:18] <zapster> why would you believe it now in the face of the same thing--accusations without evidence? 
4543[2017-12-01 13:09:26] <schwizz> so who cares that they had this conversation
4544[2017-12-01 13:09:32] <schwizz> and its not illegal
4545[2017-12-01 13:09:35] <JamGobbar> https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-no-reagan-he-s-trashing-transatlantic-rapport-reagan-built-ncna825431
4546[2017-12-01 13:09:35] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump is no Reagan. He's trashing the transatlantic rapport Reagan built.
4547[2017-12-01 13:09:45] <schwizz> the only thing is the FBI got him on a technicallity
4548[2017-12-01 13:10:14] <zapster> yes, trump is horrible, and unqualified, and dozens of other things. the thing to investigate is *that*. not spurious accusations against a nuclear power that have no evidence at all 
4549[2017-12-01 13:10:26] <RandomCouch> Flynn resigned and is cooperating with FBI
4550[2017-12-01 13:10:28] <JamGobbar> <+schwizz> doing illegal things are just a technicality when the purpatrator is on my side
4551[2017-12-01 13:10:28] <schwizz> but then mueller is cuagh tup in illegal activities in the ukranium 1 deal
4552[2017-12-01 13:10:31] <RandomCouch> it could mean more news to come
4553[2017-12-01 13:10:32] <nomic> lol trump = reagan
4554[2017-12-01 13:10:35] <schwizz> and in bed wiht the clintons
4555[2017-12-01 13:10:38] <nomic> trump is despised in europe
4556[2017-12-01 13:10:42] <schwizz> so this sounnd awful political
4557[2017-12-01 13:10:47] <RandomCouch> trump is despised almost everywhere
4558[2017-12-01 13:10:53] <nomic> he's a simple idio
4559[2017-12-01 13:11:03] <schwizz> actually hes not, have oyu seen his receptions? people idolize him
4560[2017-12-01 13:11:13] <nomic> nobody understands how such a man could have become president
4561[2017-12-01 13:11:13] <schwizz> like you can see the glow in thier faces meeting him
4562[2017-12-01 13:11:17] <schwizz> its special
4563[2017-12-01 13:11:19] <nomic> america is failing badly
4564[2017-12-01 13:11:27] <zapster> pfft. you can see them laughing behind his back 
4565[2017-12-01 13:11:32] <nomic> trump is an idiot
4566[2017-12-01 13:11:43] <schwizz> hey if hte chinese respect him
4567[2017-12-01 13:11:46] <schwizz> thats a good thing
4568[2017-12-01 13:11:49] <RandomCouch> schwizz, people hate him.. I don't doubt some idiots look up to him though.
4569[2017-12-01 13:11:52] <schwizz> they respect hiim more than obama
4570[2017-12-01 13:11:55] <JamGobbar> http://www.complex.com/life/2017/12/trump-christmas-tree-lighting-ceremony-small-crowd <=-- just look at how many people love an adore him like schwizz does
4571[2017-12-01 13:11:55] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump's Christmas Tree Lighting Ceremony Drew a Comically Small Crowd and Everyone Noticed | Complex
4572[2017-12-01 13:11:56] <schwizz> im on board with that
4573[2017-12-01 13:11:58] <JamGobbar> rofl
4574[2017-12-01 13:12:00] <RandomCouch> But normal functioning people with normal modern morals hate him.
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4576[2017-12-01 13:12:13] <schwizz> not true though
4577[2017-12-01 13:12:25] <RandomCouch> Maybe not in your area.
4578[2017-12-01 13:12:26] <JamGobbar> vs obama last year: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP6wQ4sWkAAvTDD.jpg
4579[2017-12-01 13:12:51] <schwizz> you are worried about a christmas tree
4580[2017-12-01 13:12:57] <schwizz> im worried about economic relatiosn with china
4581[2017-12-01 13:13:02] <schwizz> ones a  little more important lol
4582[2017-12-01 13:13:10] <Nelluk> lol
4583[2017-12-01 13:13:12] <JamGobbar> no im just pointing out the blatent dishonesty of your statements
4584[2017-12-01 13:13:12] <RandomCouch> just take an example of how many people showed up at his inauguration
4585[2017-12-01 13:13:12] <JamGobbar> lol
4586[2017-12-01 13:13:13] <RandomCouch> vs obamas
4587[2017-12-01 13:13:19] <rabble_bot> News from inthstimes: The GOP Tax Bill Is Basically Like Throwing Gasoline On The Dumpster Fire That Is the Climate Crisis <http://inthesetimes.com/article/20723/gop-tax-bill-senate-climate-environment/>
4588[2017-12-01 13:13:22] <RandomCouch> not many people like him
4589[2017-12-01 13:13:25] <RandomCouch> and for very good reasnos
4590[2017-12-01 13:13:29] <RandomCouch> reasons*
4591[2017-12-01 13:13:36] <schwizz> trump is much more respected than obama in china our biggest economic competitor
4592[2017-12-01 13:13:42] <schwizz> who we have accused os screwing us over
4593[2017-12-01 13:13:43] <RandomCouch> his whole face is a fraud
4594[2017-12-01 13:13:44] <schwizz> in many wways
4595[2017-12-01 13:13:56] <schwizz> thats probably why they respect trump more
4596[2017-12-01 13:14:01] <RandomCouch> in china...
4597[2017-12-01 13:14:04] <RandomCouch> why does that matter
4598[2017-12-01 13:14:07] <RandomCouch> is he china's president?
4599[2017-12-01 13:14:11] <schwizz> um our biggest competitor
4600[2017-12-01 13:14:12] <JamGobbar> lol
4601[2017-12-01 13:14:13] <schwizz> economically
4602[2017-12-01 13:14:15] <schwizz> is china
4603[2017-12-01 13:14:18] <schwizz> lol
4604[2017-12-01 13:14:22] <RandomCouch> ... He is the president of the states
4605[2017-12-01 13:14:28] <schwizz> thats what decides your standard of living her ein the USA
4606[2017-12-01 13:14:30] <RandomCouch> americans should be the ones respecting him
4607[2017-12-01 13:14:32] <RandomCouch> not chinese people
4608[2017-12-01 13:14:32] <schwizz> how we do on the world scale
4609[2017-12-01 13:14:38] <JamGobbar> https://twitter.com/i/web/status/936689544291803143
4610[2017-12-01 13:14:39] <rabble_bot> ^ J-Danger on Twitter: "@realDonaldTrump Don't look at #Flynn... Look at ANYTHING but Flynn... #FlynnFlipped #FlynnFriday #FlynnFlippedFriday https://t.co/4GyTeCWvhk"
4611[2017-12-01 13:14:40] <schwizz> thats who we are competing agaainst
4612[2017-12-01 13:14:41] <RandomCouch> but they don't because he is not respectable
4613[2017-12-01 13:14:41] <schwizz> not ourselves
4614[2017-12-01 13:14:56] <schwizz> thats why they let him in the forbidden city
4615[2017-12-01 13:15:00] <schwizz> which is very high respect
4616[2017-12-01 13:15:13] <schwizz> obama wasnt alloud in there
4617[2017-12-01 13:15:20] <schwizz> atleast you can say they respect trump more than obama
4618[2017-12-01 13:15:26] <Nelluk> lol
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4621[2017-12-01 13:15:40] <schwizz> the chinese walked all over obama
4622[2017-12-01 13:15:45] <schwizz> trump wonlt allow it
4623[2017-12-01 13:15:47] <RandomCouch> I don't think they do, and sure when Trump says "China" every 4th word of his sentences
4624[2017-12-01 13:15:51] <JamGobbar> lmao
4625[2017-12-01 13:15:58] <RandomCouch> then China's respect to him would surely grow
4626[2017-12-01 13:16:20] <schwizz> even if that how he did it
4627[2017-12-01 13:16:22] <schwizz> it was effective 
4628[2017-12-01 13:16:23] <schwizz> it worked
4629[2017-12-01 13:16:27] <RandomCouch> ugh
4630[2017-12-01 13:16:34] <schwizz> youj can complain about the tactic if thats what you think happened
4631[2017-12-01 13:16:38] <Nelluk> Trump is an easy person to figure out. All the countries he visited have figured out that if you flatter him and give him pomp and circumstance, he will love it and help give them what they want.
4632[2017-12-01 13:16:42] <schwizz> but the end result is a bunch of trade deals
4633[2017-12-01 13:16:44] <schwizz> and respect
4634[2017-12-01 13:16:52] <schwizz> form out biggest economic partner and competitor
4635[2017-12-01 13:16:55] <schwizz> they rely on us
4636[2017-12-01 13:16:57] <schwizz> we rely on them
4637[2017-12-01 13:17:07] <RandomCouch> schwizz, say you could attain world peace, but the only way to do it is to kill off a certain group of innocent people, would you be like "Well it worked." ?
4638[2017-12-01 13:17:14] <RandomCouch> or would you oppose to it
4639[2017-12-01 13:17:19] <schwizz> depends
4640[2017-12-01 13:17:24] <schwizz> how many people?
4641[2017-12-01 13:17:29] <RandomCouch> a significant number of people
4642[2017-12-01 13:17:29] <JamGobbar> lol
4643[2017-12-01 13:17:35] <schwizz> liek whats significant/
4644[2017-12-01 13:17:36] <schwizz> ?
4645[2017-12-01 13:17:36] <RandomCouch> 6 million
4646[2017-12-01 13:17:42] <schwizz> easily
4647[2017-12-01 13:17:50] <schwizz> world peace to give up 6 mil
4648[2017-12-01 13:17:56] <JamGobbar> schwizz confirming what we all already knew about him
4649[2017-12-01 13:18:07] <schwizz> moree people will die in one year
4650[2017-12-01 13:18:12] <schwizz> becuase of no peace
4651[2017-12-01 13:18:25] <schwizz> i you wait then more htan 6 millino people will die
4652[2017-12-01 13:18:43] <schwizz> how many peole die a year because there isnet world peace?
4653[2017-12-01 13:18:53] <RandomCouch> We can't really calculate that
4654[2017-12-01 13:18:54] <schwizz> and how many years do you let it go by before you wish oyu just killed 6 million
4655[2017-12-01 13:19:03] <schwizz> and saved 100s of millions
4656[2017-12-01 13:19:03] <RandomCouch> because not all deaths are a direct cause of a lack of world peace
4657[2017-12-01 13:19:16] <RandomCouch> a direct result*
4658[2017-12-01 13:19:20] <schwizz> in like 10 years 100 million peopel will die from the lack of world peace say
4659[2017-12-01 13:19:30] <schwizz> so you dont kill the 6 now to stop that from happening?
4660[2017-12-01 13:19:30] <MuckySocks> where ?
4661[2017-12-01 13:19:52] <RandomCouch> schwizz, but it's 6 million innocents...
4662[2017-12-01 13:19:54] <schwizz> thikn of how many people die of war
4663[2017-12-01 13:19:56] <schwizz> or starvation
4664[2017-12-01 13:20:00] <schwizz> or disease
4665[2017-12-01 13:20:06] <RandomCouch> wouldn't you rather focusing on the long fight, against the people who are actually not innocent?
4666[2017-12-01 13:20:07] <schwizz> things that world peace woudl stop
4667[2017-12-01 13:20:08] <MuckySocks> more people accidentally shoot themselves in the face in the US than die in most small wars
4668[2017-12-01 13:20:11] <RandomCouch> which is more rightful?
4669[2017-12-01 13:20:22] <RandomCouch> righteous
4670[2017-12-01 13:20:38] <MuckySocks> when was the last time 10 million died in a year because of war ?
4671[2017-12-01 13:20:48] <schwizz> Around 9 million people die of hunger and hunger-related diseases every year, more than double the lives taken by AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis in 2012. Every 10 seconds, a child dies from hunger.
4672[2017-12-01 13:20:49] <djancak> i say kill 7.442 billion people now to save an infinite number of people in the future
4673[2017-12-01 13:21:00] <schwizz> so there yah go
4674[2017-12-01 13:21:08] <schwizz> in one year you save the kids if oyu kill 6 million now
4675[2017-12-01 13:21:09] <RandomCouch> schwizz, these are not caused by a lack of world peace though.
4676[2017-12-01 13:21:13] <RandomCouch> at least no directly
4677[2017-12-01 13:21:14] <MuckySocks> thats hunger
4678[2017-12-01 13:21:17] <MuckySocks> ffs
4679[2017-12-01 13:21:17] <schwizz> cause world peace would reduce hunger
4680[2017-12-01 13:21:20] <MuckySocks> arse
4681[2017-12-01 13:21:21] <schwizz> thats just one issue
4682[2017-12-01 13:21:22] <JamGobbar> schwizz: so if you survived, but your family was included in the 6 mil, would you still do it?
4683[2017-12-01 13:21:22] <MuckySocks> talking
4684[2017-12-01 13:21:24] <MuckySocks> stop
4685[2017-12-01 13:21:26] <MuckySocks> ffs
4686[2017-12-01 13:21:27] <JamGobbar> make the sacrifice for the great good?
4687[2017-12-01 13:21:31] <schwizz> if everyone worked together theres no hunger issues
4688[2017-12-01 13:21:33] <schwizz> no one starves
4689[2017-12-01 13:21:38] <MuckySocks> balls
4690[2017-12-01 13:21:39] <schwizz> thast a resutl of world peace
4691[2017-12-01 13:21:44] <MuckySocks> capitalism needs starvation
4692[2017-12-01 13:21:46] <schwizz> theres plenty of food to go aroudn
4693[2017-12-01 13:21:57] <RandomCouch> that's a bit idealistic
4694[2017-12-01 13:21:59] <MuckySocks> its not being withheld because of war
4695[2017-12-01 13:22:03] <RandomCouch> myea
4696[2017-12-01 13:22:12] <schwizz> so you owuldnt kill 6 millino to save9 million form starvation every year?
4697[2017-12-01 13:22:14] <JamGobbar> schwizz: so if you survived, but your family was included in the 6 mil, would you still do it?
4698[2017-12-01 13:22:37] <schwizz> and thats 6 million 1 time
4699[2017-12-01 13:22:45] <RandomCouch> I like JamGobbar's question
4700[2017-12-01 13:22:45] <schwizz> compared to 9 million eevery year
4701[2017-12-01 13:22:46] <JamGobbar> including your fam
4702[2017-12-01 13:22:48] <RandomCouch> would you?
4703[2017-12-01 13:22:52] <RandomCouch> if your family was included in the 6 mil
4704[2017-12-01 13:22:56] <JamGobbar> 6 millino + schwizz fam
4705[2017-12-01 13:22:57] <RandomCouch> that have to die for world peace?
4706[2017-12-01 13:23:16] <schwizz> sure
4707[2017-12-01 13:23:22] <RandomCouch> lol
4708[2017-12-01 13:23:24] <schwizz> im ont selfish
4709[2017-12-01 13:23:28] <RandomCouch> oh boy
4710[2017-12-01 13:23:29] <schwizz> ill be in the 6 mil
4711[2017-12-01 13:23:30] <schwizz> my fam too
4712[2017-12-01 13:23:47] <schwizz> depending on what you beleive youll be back anyways
4713[2017-12-01 13:23:51] <JamGobbar> what if instead of 6 million it was all the white people
4714[2017-12-01 13:23:55] <schwizz> death isnt the end of anything
4715[2017-12-01 13:23:55] <JamGobbar> world peace
4716[2017-12-01 13:23:57] <JamGobbar> just no more white people
4717[2017-12-01 13:23:59] <JamGobbar> would you do it?
4718[2017-12-01 13:24:02] <RandomCouch> little did you know it was all just a trick, there will never be world peace, you, your fam and the 6 mil died for nothing
4719[2017-12-01 13:24:17] <schwizz> i would no questions asked trade 6 millino people for world peace
4720[2017-12-01 13:24:19] <schwizz> who wouldnt
4721[2017-12-01 13:24:23] <RandomCouch> world peace can't be achieved without a one world government
4722[2017-12-01 13:24:33] <RandomCouch> as long as we're divided by nations and countries
4723[2017-12-01 13:24:35] <RandomCouch> we can't be at peace
4724[2017-12-01 13:24:45] <schwizz> i feel pretty at peace
4725[2017-12-01 13:24:49] <schwizz> isnt that what really matters
4726[2017-12-01 13:24:51] <schwizz> how peopel feel?
4727[2017-12-01 13:25:00] <JamGobbar> so much feels
4728[2017-12-01 13:25:02] <RandomCouch> what about people in the middle east?
4729[2017-12-01 13:25:06] <RandomCouch> you think they feel at peace?
4730[2017-12-01 13:25:22] <schwizz> some do im sure
4731[2017-12-01 13:25:25] <RandomCouch> lol
4732[2017-12-01 13:25:36] <RandomCouch> there's an ugly reality you are closing your eyes to
4733[2017-12-01 13:25:40] <schwizz> being at peice is highly personal
4734[2017-12-01 13:25:41] <RandomCouch> either intentionally or not
4735[2017-12-01 13:25:47] <schwizz> you can be at peace lockeed up in jail
4736[2017-12-01 13:25:52] <schwizz> its your own mindset
4737[2017-12-01 13:26:14] <schwizz> but if i can save infinite amount of lives by killing a tiny portion
4738[2017-12-01 13:26:16] <schwizz> thats rational
4739[2017-12-01 13:26:22] <schwizz> teh irrational thought, is dont do it
4740[2017-12-01 13:26:35] <schwizz> thats evolution
4741[2017-12-01 13:27:09] <RandomCouch> you can't save an infinite amount of lives.
4742[2017-12-01 13:27:24] <schwizz> why not if oyu have world peace for ever
4743[2017-12-01 13:27:26] <RandomCouch> also what you're saying is a famous debated topic
4744[2017-12-01 13:27:33] <RandomCouch> of greater good vs 
4745[2017-12-01 13:27:35] <schwizz> vs 9 millino a year dieing from starvation forever
4746[2017-12-01 13:27:36] <RandomCouch> whatever else its called
4747[2017-12-01 13:27:40] <RandomCouch> immediate good
4748[2017-12-01 13:27:45] <schwizz> thats 9 X infinity = infinity
4749[2017-12-01 13:27:54] <RandomCouch> I think it was emmanual kant
4750[2017-12-01 13:28:22] <RandomCouch> immanuel*
4751[2017-12-01 13:28:26] <MuckySocks> american christians are willing to see a lot more than 6 million die to achieve peace on earth
4752[2017-12-01 13:28:37] <MuckySocks> you aren't dealing with enlightenment thinking
4753[2017-12-01 13:28:52] <schwizz> we have that problem alll over the place though
4754[2017-12-01 13:28:55] <RandomCouch> "Kant's argument that to act in the morally right way one must act purely from duty begins with an argument that the highest good must be both good in itself and good without qualification."
4755[2017-12-01 13:29:01] <schwizz> not an american thing only
4756[2017-12-01 13:29:43] <MuckySocks> america is the home of the most millenial cults
4757[2017-12-01 13:29:52] <MuckySocks> and the most conservative christians
4758[2017-12-01 13:30:01] <RandomCouch> schwizz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwOCmJevigw
4759[2017-12-01 13:30:02] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Three Minute Philosophy - Immanuel Kant :: Duration: 03:32
4760[2017-12-01 13:30:07] <schwizz> no idon thin we do
4761[2017-12-01 13:30:09] <RandomCouch> very interesting and relevant 
4762[2017-12-01 13:30:29] <MuckySocks> Couch
4763[2017-12-01 13:30:49] <MuckySocks> this person can't learn how to spell waste, even after repeated help
4764[2017-12-01 13:30:54] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Tax Bill Is So Bad, 'All In' Had Norman Ornstein On To Talk About It <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/trumps-insanity-republican-party-complicit>
4765[2017-12-01 13:31:12] <RandomCouch> lol
4766[2017-12-01 13:31:19] <schwizz> its done to troll people like you MuckySocks
4767[2017-12-01 13:31:24] <schwizz> and it works
4768[2017-12-01 13:31:35] <schwizz> a little pursuation lesson ffor yah
4769[2017-12-01 13:31:43] <RandomCouch> schwizz, please check out the video
4770[2017-12-01 13:31:57] <MuckySocks> i know that schwizz 
4771[2017-12-01 13:32:01] <MuckySocks> nice of you to admit it
4772[2017-12-01 13:32:07] <schwizz> seee how i spelled pursasion
4773[2017-12-01 13:32:17] <schwizz> it points out triggered folks quickly
4774[2017-12-01 13:32:20] <schwizz> identifies them
4775[2017-12-01 13:32:20] <MuckySocks> yes 
4776[2017-12-01 13:32:26] <MuckySocks> you do it all the time i know
4777[2017-12-01 13:32:26] <schwizz> when they are worried about your spelling
4778[2017-12-01 13:32:29] <schwizz> they are already raging
4779[2017-12-01 13:32:34] <MuckySocks> several times recently this evening
4780[2017-12-01 13:32:35] <schwizz> just a tool =]
4781[2017-12-01 13:32:38] <MuckySocks> and no-one rages 
4782[2017-12-01 13:32:40] <schwizz> see that play on words
4783[2017-12-01 13:32:41] <schwizz> toool
4784[2017-12-01 13:32:41] <schwizz> llol
4785[2017-12-01 13:32:42] <MuckySocks> we let it drop
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4788[2017-12-01 13:33:04] <MuckySocks> but now i've provoked you to admit you're trolling
4789[2017-12-01 13:33:21] <schwizz> i only troll the weak
4790[2017-12-01 13:33:26] <schwizz> that cant hold a debate
4791[2017-12-01 13:33:31] <schwizz> sorry if oyu fall into it
4792[2017-12-01 13:33:37] <RandomCouch> So, did you check out the video
4793[2017-12-01 13:33:51] <schwizz> no harm is what i mean
4794[2017-12-01 13:33:54] <schwizz> about to...
4795[2017-12-01 13:34:20] <schwizz> does apply like if oyu have a ship full of people, and you are sinking
4796[2017-12-01 13:34:27] <RandomCouch> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative
4797[2017-12-01 13:34:28] <rabble_bot> ^ Categorical imperative - Wikipedia
4798[2017-12-01 13:34:29] <schwizz> so you hve to throw 100 people overboard to save the rest
4799[2017-12-01 13:34:38] <schwizz> people will throw them overboard
4800[2017-12-01 13:34:51] <RandomCouch> You are your own moral agent
4801[2017-12-01 13:34:56] <RandomCouch> so is everyone
4802[2017-12-01 13:35:05] <MuckySocks> no
4803[2017-12-01 13:35:08] <MuckySocks> she is a troll
4804[2017-12-01 13:35:14] <MuckySocks> she has no agency
4805[2017-12-01 13:35:19] <MuckySocks> except to disagree
4806[2017-12-01 13:35:30] <RandomCouch> lol, I think her views and opinions are legit, but she is just difficult to sway ;P
4807[2017-12-01 13:35:43] <schwizz> =]
4808[2017-12-01 13:35:43] <RandomCouch> however I am prepared to spend time debating her and attempting to do so
4809[2017-12-01 13:36:04] <RandomCouch> but I'm about to get off work soon and go play with VIVE
4810[2017-12-01 13:36:05] <MuckySocks> dude
4811[2017-12-01 13:36:11] <MuckySocks> go learn fortran or something
4812[2017-12-01 13:36:17] <MuckySocks> you know, something useful
4813[2017-12-01 13:36:28] <JamGobbar> go learn haskell yo!
4814[2017-12-01 13:36:33] <RandomCouch> loll
4815[2017-12-01 13:36:43] <JamGobbar> RandomCouch: you go doom for the vive yet?
4816[2017-12-01 13:37:08] <RandomCouch> not yet, but I got Superhot VR, Onward, Pavlov, Gorn and Eve Valkyrie
4817[2017-12-01 13:38:17] <JamGobbar> https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/12/doom-vfr-review-a-rip-and-tear-delight-but-only-on-the-right-vr-setup/
4818[2017-12-01 13:38:19] <rabble_bot> ^ Doom VFR review: A rip-and-tear delight… but only on the right VR setup | Ars Technica
4819[2017-12-01 13:39:04] <gentrification> Bro my brain is somewhere bad
4820[2017-12-01 13:39:11] <gentrification> I thought go doom was go down
4821[2017-12-01 13:39:21] <gentrification> I'm going to "get off.."
4822[2017-12-01 13:39:23] <gentrification> ..work
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4825[2017-12-01 13:39:38] <schwizz> so what did you want me to take away from Kunt?
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4827[2017-12-01 13:39:54] <RandomCouch> schwizz, his philosophy on what is good and what is bad
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4830[2017-12-01 13:40:04] <RandomCouch> on how we should look at "the greater good"
4831[2017-12-01 13:40:45] <schwizz> so does that mean kill the 6 million or not?
4832[2017-12-01 13:41:23] <mrlamont> sure 
4833[2017-12-01 13:41:25] <RandomCouch> lol
4834[2017-12-01 13:41:32] <RandomCouch> it means not schwizz 
4835[2017-12-01 13:41:40] <RandomCouch> anyway I gtg, have a good weekend yall
4836[2017-12-01 13:41:44] <schwizz> not sure it doestn though
4837[2017-12-01 13:41:46] <schwizz> hehe
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4839[2017-12-01 13:50:12] <zapster> I have to say, discussions today have been remarkably enjoyable. thanks, guys :)
4840[2017-12-01 13:50:23] <JamGobbar> well something finaly happened
4841[2017-12-01 13:50:26] <JamGobbar> always more interesting
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4844[2017-12-01 13:51:30] <MuckySocks> more enjoyable than what ?
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4847[2017-12-01 13:51:41] <zapster> than usual :)
4848[2017-12-01 13:51:48] <JamGobbar> http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/11/29/slobodan-praljak-death-hague.cnn <<=-- we can only hope putin and trump take the same way out ;D
4849[2017-12-01 13:51:49] <rabble_bot> ^ War criminal dies after drinking poison - CNN Video
4850[2017-12-01 13:52:13] <zapster> nah. 
4851[2017-12-01 13:52:53] <zapster> I realize that JamGobbar would much rather have seen the crimeans massacred than kept safe by russia, but that's really no reason to wish ill on putin or trump like that. 
4852[2017-12-01 13:53:18] <JamGobbar> afaik trump hasnt commited any war crimes...... yet.
4853[2017-12-01 13:53:30] <JamGobbar> putin certainly deserves it with all the peopel he's poisoined though
4854[2017-12-01 13:53:43] <MuckySocks> what about the stupid megabomb ?
4855[2017-12-01 13:53:56] <mrlamont> megadick
4856[2017-12-01 13:53:56] <JamGobbar> was that a war crime?
4857[2017-12-01 13:54:33] <zapster> do you have proof of that? 
4858[2017-12-01 13:54:41] <MuckySocks> it was an unprovoked attack on a civilian mountain
4859[2017-12-01 13:54:42] <zapster> and yeah, the megabomb was. 
4860[2017-12-01 13:55:14] <zapster> so was the attack on the airstrip in syria. and the continuing protection of ISIS raiding in syria
4861[2017-12-01 13:56:48] <zapster> the continued occupation of syria against the wishes of the legitimate government like qualifies as well 
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4863[2017-12-01 13:56:53] <mrlamont> whataboutism
4864[2017-12-01 13:56:56] <mrlamont> logical fallacy
4865[2017-12-01 13:57:03] <JamGobbar> mrlamont++
4866[2017-12-01 13:57:13] <zapster> those are war crimes. 
4867[2017-12-01 13:57:16] <zapster> as requested
4868[2017-12-01 13:57:29] <mrlamont> who requested them
4869[2017-12-01 13:57:47] <zapster> https://apnews.com/92ca83c2c09f4d5ea6b229a9ae27eb90/US-putting-off-planned-ban-on-its-use-of-cluster-bombs
4870[2017-12-01 13:57:47] <rabble_bot> ^ US putting off planned ban on its use of cluster bombs
4871[2017-12-01 13:57:49] <zapster> that is too
4872[2017-12-01 13:58:18] <mrlamont> zapster: many times countries commit war crimes due to pressure from the FBI
4873[2017-12-01 13:58:27] <mrlamont> and then they even plead guilty!
4874[2017-12-01 13:58:32] <JamGobbar> heh
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4876[2017-12-01 13:59:17] <zapster> eh? 
4877[2017-12-01 13:59:33] <zapster> pressure from mcdonnel-douglas is more likely :\
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4879[2017-12-01 14:00:34] <mouses> hi everyone, thank you ops for voice :)
4880[2017-12-01 14:00:48] <zapster> you're welcome
4881[2017-12-01 14:03:33] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: Twitter Has Literally No Explanation for Why Trump’s Anti-Muslim Retweets Are OK <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/twitter-trump-anti-muslim-retweets/>
4882[2017-12-01 14:04:32] <JamGobbar> neither do the deplorables
4883[2017-12-01 14:04:35] <JamGobbar> but it doesnt stop them from trying
4884[2017-12-01 14:04:45] <mrlamont> they wanted to build a wall around california last night
4885[2017-12-01 14:04:49] <mrlamont> it was really adorable
4886[2017-12-01 14:05:03] <mrlamont> oh and a lot of them were threatening to kill anyone they suspected of being an illegal
4887[2017-12-01 14:05:07] <mrlamont> i had a fun time reporting people
4888[2017-12-01 14:05:08] <JamGobbar> lol
4889[2017-12-01 14:05:09] <MuckySocks> yup a dam wall
4890[2017-12-01 14:05:13] <MuckySocks> you thirsty mofos
4891[2017-12-01 14:05:27] <mrlamont> ill keep you guys posted on the responses i get from twitter!
4892[2017-12-01 14:05:34] <mrlamont> i do very well getting accounts banned
4893[2017-12-01 14:05:41] <mrlamont> Deplorable Killer
4894[2017-12-01 14:06:21] <MuckySocks> what about getting them unbanned ?
4895[2017-12-01 14:06:39] <mrlamont> what?
4896[2017-12-01 14:07:03] <MuckySocks> FREE JEET
4897[2017-12-01 14:08:08] <JamGobbar> we need more flags!
4898[2017-12-01 14:08:16] <JamGobbar> we need osomoene to tell us that we people are great
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4901[2017-12-01 14:10:10] <mrlamont> what
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4903[2017-12-01 14:10:56] <JamGobbar> those are jeet's two primary dutys here
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4907[2017-12-01 14:11:51] <mrlamont> hi erasmus 
4908[2017-12-01 14:13:40] <mrlamont>  Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1 29m29 minutes ago  Rep. Steve Cohen is renewing his call for action to prevent Trump from firing Mueller in light of the Flynn developments: "We must be ready to protect Bob Mueller and the integrity of the rule of law." 
4909[2017-12-01 14:13:40] <gentrification> This cop is fighting with me lol
4910[2017-12-01 14:14:07] <JamGobbar> go cohen
4911[2017-12-01 14:14:09] <JamGobbar> he's makign sense
4912[2017-12-01 14:14:33] <mrlamont> <zapster> making sense? whats that like
4913[2017-12-01 14:14:41] <gentrification> The captain of the Traffic Division left me a voicemail that he would explain my ticket to me and explain the process of it to me to which I emailed a reply I'm not interested in having it explain to me nor do I need to know what court process but I do want it dropped. So he wrote me back like sorry there's nothing I can do and here's the independent Commission phone number. I wrote back that as he is the captain of the Traffic Di
4914[2017-12-01 14:14:58] <gentrification> He mad
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4917[2017-12-01 14:15:37] <MuckySocks> Missgeburt
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4921[2017-12-01 14:29:48] <MuckySocks> https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2017/02/06/tory-mp-late-deleting-online-post-revealing-secret-heart-party-image/
4922[2017-12-01 14:29:49] <rabble_bot> ^ A Tory MP was too late deleting this online post, revealing a secret at the heart of his party [IMAGE] | The Canary
4923[2017-12-01 14:30:29] <MuckySocks> posted a graph of national debt over time, just ASSUMING that it shows how the right-wing saves money while the left wastes it
4924[2017-12-01 14:30:31] <MuckySocks> WRONG
4925[2017-12-01 14:31:33] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Shep Smith Challenges Trump Admin: 'Why Lie After Lie After Lie?' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/shep-smith-trump-admin-why-lie-after-lie>
4926[2017-12-01 14:32:40] <JamGobbar> oh shep
4927[2017-12-01 14:32:53] <JamGobbar> when your entire presidency is built on lies, what else would he possibly offer
4928[2017-12-01 14:33:10] <mrlamont> adorable
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4933[2017-12-01 14:38:27] <HomieX> Whats the good word?
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4936[2017-12-01 14:38:58] <JamGobbar> HomieX: one step closer to trump behind bars
4937[2017-12-01 14:38:58] <mrlamont> my dicks out
4938[2017-12-01 14:39:03] <mrlamont> that too
4939[2017-12-01 14:39:17] <HomieX> Good
4940[2017-12-01 14:39:26] <HomieX> Lock him up!
4941[2017-12-01 14:39:55] <HomieX> Lock up anyone who votes for this tax bill.
4942[2017-12-01 14:40:01] <JamGobbar> amen
4943[2017-12-01 14:40:39] <HomieX> Big giveaway to corporations and the wealthy  
4944[2017-12-01 14:40:54] <JamGobbar> exactly what we'd think we'd get with trump and the GOP
4945[2017-12-01 14:40:58] <JamGobbar> cant say im suprised at all
4946[2017-12-01 14:41:08] <mrlamont> JamGobbar: 
4947[2017-12-01 14:41:16] <mrlamont> when the inevitable does happen
4948[2017-12-01 14:41:26] <mrlamont> what will the alt-right reaction be
4949[2017-12-01 14:41:41] <JamGobbar> anger?
4950[2017-12-01 14:41:41] <mrlamont> especially if trump decides to go down fighting
4951[2017-12-01 14:41:47] <JamGobbar> race war?
4952[2017-12-01 14:41:49] <JamGobbar> fuck i dunno
4953[2017-12-01 14:41:58] — mrlamont jerks it
4954[2017-12-01 14:41:59] <mrlamont> go on
4955[2017-12-01 14:42:06] <JamGobbar> riotting in the streets
4956[2017-12-01 14:42:10] <JamGobbar> burning effegies
4957[2017-12-01 14:42:17] <HomieX> Trump will have to be forcibly removed like Hitler 
4958[2017-12-01 14:42:21] <JamGobbar> looting of non white businesses
4959[2017-12-01 14:42:38] <JamGobbar> what was it the bodyguards said
4960[2017-12-01 14:42:47] <HomieX> USA will be in ruins 
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4963[2017-12-01 14:42:56] <JamGobbar> as they murdered the emperor
4964[2017-12-01 14:42:59] — mrlamont rock hard
4965[2017-12-01 14:43:01] <JamGobbar> not nero
4966[2017-12-01 14:43:01] <mrlamont> go on HomieX 
4967[2017-12-01 14:43:03] <JamGobbar> but the other one
4968[2017-12-01 14:43:04] <HomieX> We will have to rebuild 
4969[2017-12-01 14:43:18] <JamGobbar> caligula
4970[2017-12-01 14:43:19] <JamGobbar> that was it
4971[2017-12-01 14:43:41] <MuckySocks> https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/936323979358322689
4972[2017-12-01 14:43:42] <rabble_bot> ^ Jeremy Corbyn on Twitter: "When bankers like Morgan Stanley say we’re a threat, they’re right.The next Labour Government is a threat to a damaging and failed system… https://t.co/0EAbOmW5u2"
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4974[2017-12-01 14:45:49] <HomieX> Fuck banks, they should be nationalized 
4975[2017-12-01 14:46:22] <HomieX> and they will be if we gotta have WWIII to get it done
4976[2017-12-01 14:46:34] <mrlamont> whoa there keyboard warrior
4977[2017-12-01 14:46:42] <mrlamont> lets put down the mountain dew for a second and talk about this
4978[2017-12-01 14:46:44] <JamGobbar> lol
4979[2017-12-01 14:46:59] <HomieX> Join us or perish, lamont 
4980[2017-12-01 14:47:13] <mrlamont> for what? your LAN party?
4981[2017-12-01 14:48:33] <HomieX> The Progressive Opposition to Republican Kikes (P.O.R.K.)
4982[2017-12-01 14:49:52] <HomieX> Can ya feel me? 
4983[2017-12-01 14:50:43] <mrlamont> *silence in channel*
4984[2017-12-01 14:50:46] <mrlamont> no man. no one can feel you.
4985[2017-12-01 14:50:47] <mrlamont> sorry.
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4987[2017-12-01 14:52:12] <HomieX> mrlamont is a Russian troll
4988[2017-12-01 14:52:19] <mrlamont> absolutely
4989[2017-12-01 14:52:40] <DilloMeister>  <HomieX> mrlamont is a Russian troll  < they're the worst ;)
4990[2017-12-01 14:52:53] <mrlamont> totally
4991[2017-12-01 14:53:50] <HomieX> Will Trump be at the traditional setting up of the giant Menorah at the white House?
4992[2017-12-01 14:54:57] <HomieX> Sure he will and Trumptards will say oh thank you Trump for saving Christmas!
4993[2017-12-01 14:55:09] <HomieX> LOL
4994[2017-12-01 14:56:47] <HomieX> Did anyone go see the new Bladerunner? 
4995[2017-12-01 14:57:01] <mrlamont> Nelluk did
4996[2017-12-01 14:57:06] <mrlamont> can you msg him constantly asking him about it
4997[2017-12-01 14:57:07] <HomieX> That came and disappeared really fast 
4998[2017-12-01 14:57:35] <HomieX> Guess sales were disappointing 
4999[2017-12-01 14:58:26] <HomieX> mrlamont: Will you go see Star Wars: The Last Jedi?
5000[2017-12-01 14:58:34] <mrlamont> it did pretty well HomieX 
5001[2017-12-01 14:58:46] <mrlamont> the only thing that came and went really fast was me last weekend...
5002[2017-12-01 14:58:48] <mrlamont> ...with ur mum
5003[2017-12-01 14:58:49] <mrlamont> LOL!
5004[2017-12-01 14:59:09] <JamGobbar> Heeeeey-oooooooo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji-cT58rgNc
5005[2017-12-01 14:59:10] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Ed McMahon Hiyo :: Duration: 00:06
5006[2017-12-01 14:59:21] <HomieX> My mom is 85 you sick fuck
5007[2017-12-01 15:00:06] <JamGobbar> mrlamont is a compassionate loving man
5008[2017-12-01 15:00:09] <JamGobbar> even towards the elderly
5009[2017-12-01 15:02:58] <DilloMeister> lol
5010[2017-12-01 15:02:59] <HomieX> He's a serial granny rapist 
5011[2017-12-01 15:03:13] <JamGobbar> http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/us-embassy-jerusalem-trump/index.html <<-=-- so which war will go nuclear first, middleast or north east asia?
5012[2017-12-01 15:03:14] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump's Jerusalem Embassy step expected soon - CNNPolitics
5013[2017-12-01 15:03:16] <HomieX> Lock his ass up
5014[2017-12-01 15:03:46] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: GOP’s List of Economists Backing Tax Cut Includes Ghosts, Office Assistants, Ex-Felons, and a Sprinkling of Real Economists <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/gops-list-of-economists-backing-tax-cut-includes-ghosts-office-assistants-ex-felons-and-a-sprinkling-of-real-economists/>
5015[2017-12-01 15:04:06] <HomieX> LOL
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5017[2017-12-01 15:07:34] * ChanServ set +v nomic
5018[2017-12-01 15:08:30] <mrlamont> hi nomic
5019[2017-12-01 15:08:41] <nomic> hi lmnt
5020[2017-12-01 15:09:04] <nomic> * Cannot join ##substance (You are banned).
5021[2017-12-01 15:09:19] <HomieX> We will all he working for Amazon in 10 years. $8/hr and working your ass off.
5022[2017-12-01 15:09:31] <nomic> * Cannot join ##substance (You are banned).
5023[2017-12-01 15:09:50] <HomieX> Why arent you banned here? 
5024[2017-12-01 15:09:59] <erasmus> ##substance is a toxic dump. 
5025[2017-12-01 15:10:38] <mrlamont> thats not nice
5026[2017-12-01 15:10:44] <mrlamont> nomic did you want to come back in
5027[2017-12-01 15:10:49] <erasmus> thats not nice
5028[2017-12-01 15:10:52] <mrlamont> and play with your friends
5029[2017-12-01 15:10:54] <nomic> HomieX  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VbR6AM0ft8
5030[2017-12-01 15:10:55] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Children Of Men- Court of the Crimson King :: Duration: 02:44
5031[2017-12-01 15:11:00] <mrlamont> on the chat playground
5032[2017-12-01 15:11:09] <mrlamont> will you be a good boy this time nomic
5033[2017-12-01 15:11:12] <erasmus> mrlamont can't run a proper channel.
5034[2017-12-01 15:11:13] <MuckySocks> 1972 no-one standing for the national anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQv7ZsBTEEE
5035[2017-12-01 15:11:14] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - 2. "The Star Spangled Banner" by Kim Weston (Live At Wattstax SERIES) :: Duration: 01:39
5036[2017-12-01 15:11:24] <mrlamont> running a chat channel, lol
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5040[2017-12-01 15:11:42] <erasmus> yeah you are too unstable.
5041[2017-12-01 15:11:44] <mrlamont> erasmus on a scale of 10 to infinity how seriously do you take irc
5042[2017-12-01 15:11:52] <HomieX> Fuck the national anthem, its a crap song.
5043[2017-12-01 15:11:57] <erasmus> I counted to infinity twice.
5044[2017-12-01 15:12:16] <mrlamont> wow
5045[2017-12-01 15:12:17] <mrlamont> congrats
5046[2017-12-01 15:12:49] <mrlamont> ok nomic, you can come back and play with beserker 
5047[2017-12-01 15:13:02] <erasmus> mrlamont is still learning channel modes.
5048[2017-12-01 15:13:04] <mrlamont> c'mon little doggy!
5049[2017-12-01 15:13:11] <HomieX> That rap song 'Fuck the police' should be our national anthem 
5050[2017-12-01 15:13:18] <mrlamont> That rap song
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5052[2017-12-01 15:15:57] <erasmus> how can a person with no real substance run a channel called ##substance?
5053[2017-12-01 15:16:19] <HomieX> We sing a crap song about fighting the British in the war of 1812 and all you see on American TV is stories about the British monarchy.
5054[2017-12-01 15:16:26] <mrlamont> erasmus whats it like having nobody to be with
5055[2017-12-01 15:16:38] <nomic> stfu lamont
5056[2017-12-01 15:16:39] <erasmus> you mean a lover?
5057[2017-12-01 15:16:44] <mrlamont> i mean like anybody
5058[2017-12-01 15:16:47] <mrlamont> you seem really lonely :\
5059[2017-12-01 15:16:52] <erasmus> I am?
5060[2017-12-01 15:16:55] <mrlamont> hence the clinginess to me
5061[2017-12-01 15:17:02] <erasmus> I have my books and poetry to protect me.
5062[2017-12-01 15:17:05] <nomic> 'clinginess'
5063[2017-12-01 15:17:08] <mrlamont> look man, i got a line of chatters that want my attention
5064[2017-12-01 15:17:11] <mrlamont> youre gonna have to earn it
5065[2017-12-01 15:17:14] <erasmus> I am shielded. 
5066[2017-12-01 15:17:20] <mrlamont> from the pain?
5067[2017-12-01 15:17:21] <nomic> yer lamont is really popular
5068[2017-12-01 15:17:27] <erasmus> life is pain mrlamont 
5069[2017-12-01 15:17:39] <nomic> a LINE of chatters waiting to hear what lamont says
5070[2017-12-01 15:17:43] <mrlamont> nomic you ran pretty quickly
5071[2017-12-01 15:17:43] <erasmus> anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.
5072[2017-12-01 15:17:44] <mrlamont> from the channel
5073[2017-12-01 15:17:46] <mrlamont> what happened
5074[2017-12-01 15:18:01] ⇐ gentrification quit (~AndChat51@unaffiliated/fickle): Ping timeout: 252 seconds
5075[2017-12-01 15:18:12] <HomieX> THAT
5076[2017-12-01 15:18:15] <HomieX> RAP
5077[2017-12-01 15:18:17] <HomieX> SONG
5078[2017-12-01 15:18:18] <mrlamont> SONG
5079[2017-12-01 15:18:20] <mrlamont> BOIIIII
5080[2017-12-01 15:19:20] <MuckySocks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTVwT3j_zqY
5081[2017-12-01 15:20:02] <MuckySocks> rabble_bot, 
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5083[2017-12-01 15:20:26] <nomic> BLAH
5084[2017-12-01 15:21:09] <nomic> z..
5085[2017-12-01 15:21:11] <nomic> z.z.
5086[2017-12-01 15:21:34] <nomic> zzzzzzzzzzzzzz,
5087[2017-12-01 15:21:36] <erasmus>  ##substance Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned
5088[2017-12-01 15:22:23] <mrlamont> oh no!
5089[2017-12-01 15:23:11] — mrlamont grabs nomic by the arm
5090[2017-12-01 15:23:13] <mrlamont> I GOT HIM
5091[2017-12-01 15:23:16] <mrlamont> I GOT HIM BOYS
5092[2017-12-01 15:23:42] <JamGobbar> WOOOHOOO!
5093[2017-12-01 15:23:45] <nomic> ur not in ur channellmt
5094[2017-12-01 15:23:54] ⇐ Treefingers quit (~Treefinge@82-71-48-195.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk): Read error: Connection reset by peer
5095[2017-12-01 15:24:42] <erasmus> he forgot the passwd
5096[2017-12-01 15:24:51] <erasmus> he lost his keys
5097[2017-12-01 15:24:53] <mrlamont> what
5098[2017-12-01 15:24:56] <nomic> WHAT
5099[2017-12-01 15:24:57] <JamGobbar> erasmus: you have the key
5100[2017-12-01 15:24:57] <JamGobbar> now
5101[2017-12-01 15:24:58] <nomic> what
5102[2017-12-01 15:25:04] <JamGobbar> the key to unlock the mystery
5103[2017-12-01 15:25:17] <erasmus> mrlamont could get lost in a bag of crisps 
5104[2017-12-01 15:25:17] <mrlamont> to my heart
5105[2017-12-01 15:25:42] <JamGobbar> erasmus about to get lost in a big bag of chips we call LIfe
5106[2017-12-01 15:25:50] <nomic> z..
5107[2017-12-01 15:26:04] <erasmus> I'm far from lost
5108[2017-12-01 15:26:11] <mrlamont> i dont know about that erasmus 
5109[2017-12-01 15:26:22] <erasmus> I'm planning ahead. I have 5 garage sales tomorrow that look awesome
5110[2017-12-01 15:26:26] <mrlamont> LOL
5111[2017-12-01 15:26:27] <mrlamont> LOL
5112[2017-12-01 15:26:27] <mrlamont> LOL
5113[2017-12-01 15:26:33] <erasmus> hey that's my outlet man
5114[2017-12-01 15:26:34] <nomic> lol
5115[2017-12-01 15:26:38] <erasmus> that's how I have fun
5116[2017-12-01 15:26:42] <mrlamont> anyways
5117[2017-12-01 15:26:43] <mrlamont>  Matthew Miller‏Verified account @matthewamiller 8h8 hours ago  This timeline is so damning for Trump:  January 24 - Flynn lies to the FBI. January 26 - Yates warns the WH. January 27 - Trump responds not by firing Flynn, but asking Comey for a loyalty pledge. January 30 - Yates fired.
5118[2017-12-01 15:26:49] — nomic bangs head against wall
5119[2017-12-01 15:26:53] — nomic punches face
5120[2017-12-01 15:26:58] <nomic> LOL
5121[2017-12-01 15:27:01] <nomic> LOL
5122[2017-12-01 15:27:02] <nomic> LOL
5123[2017-12-01 15:27:03] <nomic> LOL
5124[2017-12-01 15:27:08] <JamGobbar> LOL
5125[2017-12-01 15:27:09] <erasmus> some people play golf
5126[2017-12-01 15:27:12] <JamGobbar> ROFL LOL LOL ROFL ROFL LOL
5127[2017-12-01 15:27:18] <nomic> STFU lamont
5128[2017-12-01 15:27:19] <nomic> STFU
5129[2017-12-01 15:27:20] <erasmus> I enjoy garage sales and flea markets.
5130[2017-12-01 15:27:20] <nomic> STFU
5131[2017-12-01 15:27:21] <nomic> STFU
5132[2017-12-01 15:27:34] <mrlamont>  Jake Tapper‏Verified account @jaketapper  GOP former prosecutor: this plea deal means in exchange for his son not being charged and himself not being charged with more serious crimes, Flynn is expected to help Mueller with even bigger fish — if I were Kushner or Bannon I wouldn’t be able to sleep tonight.
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5135[2017-12-01 15:27:38] <JamGobbar> matthew miller telling it like it is
5136[2017-12-01 15:27:44] <erasmus> oooh yeah mythomaniac 
5137[2017-12-01 15:27:47] <nomic> fek its cold
5138[2017-12-01 15:27:48] <erasmus> let the fun begin
5139[2017-12-01 15:27:57] <JamGobbar> mrlamont: oh that'd be delicious
5140[2017-12-01 15:28:01] <JamGobbar> if they take out that nazi fuck bannon
5141[2017-12-01 15:28:05] <mythomaniac> why is it fun when i am here?
5142[2017-12-01 15:28:18] <erasmus> mythomaniac I was talking about my weekend plans.
5143[2017-12-01 15:28:25] <giddles> its just the typical bullshit
5144[2017-12-01 15:28:39] <mythomaniac> what i believe is your all fucked
5145[2017-12-01 15:28:42] <erasmus> I might also make lasagna or chili.
5146[2017-12-01 15:28:55] <mrlamont> mytho: can i be fucked first and worst of all please
5147[2017-12-01 15:28:56] <mythomaniac> the end has arrived
5148[2017-12-01 15:28:57] <erasmus> it's good weather for lasagna 
5149[2017-12-01 15:29:11] <erasmus> I usually make two and then freeze one.
5150[2017-12-01 15:29:25] <giddles> instead of fear you americanos should show courage
5151[2017-12-01 15:29:25] <giddles> xD
5152[2017-12-01 15:29:28] <mrlamont> with the bodies?
5153[2017-12-01 15:29:45] <erasmus> well I need meat sauce.
5154[2017-12-01 15:29:45] <giddles> corage for america
5155[2017-12-01 15:29:49] <mythomaniac> giddles u lucky we dont bomb u
5156[2017-12-01 15:30:23] <mythomaniac> "we'll take care of it"
5157[2017-12-01 15:30:24] <giddles> in 50 yrs you maybe must 
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5159[2017-12-01 15:30:37] <erasmus> mrlamont would you like to come over on sunday for lasagna and to watch the moon?
5160[2017-12-01 15:30:40] <giddles> thanks to merkel and her welfare flood of ppl who act like babars
5161[2017-12-01 15:30:51] <mrlamont> yeah man, can i bring my baseball bat?
5162[2017-12-01 15:30:51] <erasmus> giddles you are like a broken record
5163[2017-12-01 15:31:00] <erasmus> giddles do you really have nothing else to bitch about?
5164[2017-12-01 15:31:02] <nomic> merkel = the leader of civilisation
5165[2017-12-01 15:31:07] <giddles> no
5166[2017-12-01 15:31:15] <erasmus> so if Merkel went away then what?
5167[2017-12-01 15:31:17] <giddles> today there was again x-mas fear in potsdamn
5168[2017-12-01 15:31:22] <giddles> nail bomb..
5169[2017-12-01 15:31:22] <erasmus> you would just talk about how great life is?
5170[2017-12-01 15:31:43] <giddles> no, life sux when you cant get drunk on an xmas market without beeing feard to get blown up
5171[2017-12-01 15:31:46] <giddles> or car jihad
5172[2017-12-01 15:31:50] <giddles> or lorry jihad
5173[2017-12-01 15:32:09] <erasmus> mrlamont bring over some nice Italian red table wine
5174[2017-12-01 15:32:10] <giddles> police with machine guns on an x-mas market...
5175[2017-12-01 15:32:13] <giddles> ive never seen this before
5176[2017-12-01 15:32:26] <mrlamont> erasmus: can i bring the knives too
5177[2017-12-01 15:32:29] <erasmus> giddles you cannot let the t erroroists win
5178[2017-12-01 15:32:39] <nomic> errorists
5179[2017-12-01 15:32:40] <giddles> they already won
5180[2017-12-01 15:32:43] <erasmus> damn I'm typing poorly
5181[2017-12-01 15:32:44] <mrlamont> has anyone let giddles know that nobody here cares about his stupid landlocked shit country
5182[2017-12-01 15:32:51] <MuckySocks> no machine guns in Potsdam ever, no
5183[2017-12-01 15:32:51] <mrlamont> or is that my job
5184[2017-12-01 15:32:54] <erasmus> Germany is lovely
5185[2017-12-01 15:33:02] <erasmus> you would only say that if you have never been there.
5186[2017-12-01 15:33:07] <mrlamont> hey erasmus 
5187[2017-12-01 15:33:13] <mrlamont> can you shut the fuck up while daddy's speaking
5188[2017-12-01 15:33:17] <giddles> if you say something about their ideology youre a nazi, if you dont meet an xmas market because of terror attacks youre a fearfull person
5189[2017-12-01 15:33:27] <erasmus> mrlamont eat a dick
5190[2017-12-01 15:33:30] <giddles> my insists are honourable
5191[2017-12-01 15:33:34] <giddles> ah fuck off lamont
5192[2017-12-01 15:33:38] <mrlamont> erasmus: fine, if i must
5193[2017-12-01 15:33:40] <erasmus> yeah fuck off mrlamont 
5194[2017-12-01 15:33:43] <mrlamont> ok giddles ill get right on that
5195[2017-12-01 15:33:48] <mrlamont> ok ok! im fucking off!
5196[2017-12-01 15:33:53] <giddles> thanks
5197[2017-12-01 15:33:57] <mrlamont> np
5198[2017-12-01 15:33:59] <erasmus> mrlamont you wish you had a dick to eat.
5199[2017-12-01 15:34:05] <erasmus> you must be famished
5200[2017-12-01 15:34:06] <giddles> my country went dipshit
5201[2017-12-01 15:34:13] <giddles> im a warning voice
5202[2017-12-01 15:34:22] <erasmus> giddles you are a paranoid jew.
5203[2017-12-01 15:34:43] <erasmus> and you blame the wrong people
5204[2017-12-01 15:34:45] <mrlamont> no need for antisemitism
5205[2017-12-01 15:34:51] <erasmus> what Merkel did was kind
5206[2017-12-01 15:34:52] <giddles> say that to the dead ppl who were overdriven  by a lorry
5207[2017-12-01 15:34:58] <erasmus> and that kindness might make the difference.
5208[2017-12-01 15:35:02] <mrlamont> overdriven lol
5209[2017-12-01 15:35:05] <erasmus> blame religion 
5210[2017-12-01 15:35:08] <giddles> merkel destroyed 
5211[2017-12-01 15:35:16] <erasmus> don't blame the people who take others in when there is a crisis. 
5212[2017-12-01 15:35:26] <giddles> she destroyed conservatism, patriotism and security
5213[2017-12-01 15:35:30] <erasmus> it's not Merkel's fault that other countries closed their doors.
5214[2017-12-01 15:35:34] <giddles> she should get into chilean or agrentinian exile
5215[2017-12-01 15:35:40] <erasmus> where else were the Syrians supposed to go?
5216[2017-12-01 15:35:56] <erasmus> yeah well all conservatives are assholes and racists.
5217[2017-12-01 15:36:09] <giddles> thats merkels work..
5218[2017-12-01 15:36:12] <erasmus> good
5219[2017-12-01 15:36:15] <erasmus> I support that.
5220[2017-12-01 15:36:26] <giddles> i know youre a bloddy commie
5221[2017-12-01 15:36:27] <giddles> xD
5222[2017-12-01 15:36:34] <giddles> but enough is enough
5223[2017-12-01 15:36:35] <erasmus> you know I'm right
5224[2017-12-01 15:36:41] <giddles> no more welfare migrants
5225[2017-12-01 15:36:53] <erasmus> calling yourself republican or conservative is basically saying I'm a bigot.
5226[2017-12-01 15:37:03] <erasmus> with a small dick
5227[2017-12-01 15:37:08] <erasmus> who is scared all the time.
5228[2017-12-01 15:37:32] <mrlamont> nothing wrong with small innocent unassuming penises
5229[2017-12-01 15:37:38] <giddles> the only one who was scares was hillary after her mails leaked
5230[2017-12-01 15:37:38] <giddles> xD
5231[2017-12-01 15:37:51] <giddles> and the dems
5232[2017-12-01 15:37:54] <erasmus> giddles no one liked her
5233[2017-12-01 15:37:58] <giddles> r.i.p. seth rhich
5234[2017-12-01 15:38:02] <erasmus> no one even here is going to defend her
5235[2017-12-01 15:38:10] <erasmus> no one knows what really happened to Seth.
5236[2017-12-01 15:38:13] <mrlamont> defend her from what
5237[2017-12-01 15:38:18] <erasmus> from giddles 
5238[2017-12-01 15:38:20] <mrlamont> no one knows or cares
5239[2017-12-01 15:38:27] <JamGobbar> from right wing nutter conspiracies that no one gives a shit about
5240[2017-12-01 15:38:33] <erasmus> she was a shitty candidate who rigged the system and still lost.
5241[2017-12-01 15:38:45] <giddles> i remember vote war
5242[2017-12-01 15:38:55] <erasmus> and if she had won we would be at war now.
5243[2017-12-01 15:39:01] <mrlamont> vote war guys
5244[2017-12-01 15:39:19] <JamGobbar> a vote for the GOP is a voite for war
5245[2017-12-01 15:39:24] <erasmus> all HRC needs to do now is go away.
5246[2017-12-01 15:39:47] <mrlamont> what war
5247[2017-12-01 15:39:58] <erasmus> crawl into her multimillion dollar mansion and stay there. 
5248[2017-12-01 15:39:59] <JamGobbar> we have a whole list on the menu
5249[2017-12-01 15:40:08] <JamGobbar> we could do a few different wars at once
5250[2017-12-01 15:40:09] <erasmus> mrlamont she is a warmonger.
5251[2017-12-01 15:40:10] <JamGobbar> if we really wanted
5252[2017-12-01 15:40:15] <mrlamont> what
5253[2017-12-01 15:40:19] <erasmus> you heard me
5254[2017-12-01 15:40:21] <mrlamont> i wasnt talking to erasmus are you insane
5255[2017-12-01 15:40:22] <erasmus> mrlamont she is a warmonger.
5256[2017-12-01 15:40:26] <mrlamont> i was talking to my friend JamGobbar 
5257[2017-12-01 15:40:29] <mrlamont> can you sober up
5258[2017-12-01 15:40:50] <JamGobbar> i mean like war w/nk, war w/iran, war in africa thats just now heating up
5259[2017-12-01 15:41:00] <giddles> africa?
5260[2017-12-01 15:41:00] <JamGobbar> not to mention the two wars we're already in, and syria too 
5261[2017-12-01 15:41:03] <mrlamont> im not aware of any of those wars the US is in
5262[2017-12-01 15:41:03] <JamGobbar> yeah
5263[2017-12-01 15:41:06] <JamGobbar> they just armed drones in africa
5264[2017-12-01 15:41:08] <erasmus> I like to dissect girls. Did you know I'm utterly insane?
5265[2017-12-01 15:41:11] <giddles> ah ok
5266[2017-12-01 15:41:16] <mrlamont> good one erasmus 
5267[2017-12-01 15:41:20] <JamGobbar> http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/politics/us-niger-drone-authority/index.html
5268[2017-12-01 15:41:21] <rabble_bot> ^ US military granted authority to arm its drones in Niger - CNNPolitics
5269[2017-12-01 15:41:42] <mrlamont> NEAT
5270[2017-12-01 15:42:17] <JamGobbar> all trump has to do is pick
5271[2017-12-01 15:42:20] <MuckySocks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WZbxYGy3As
5272[2017-12-01 15:42:21] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Martin Luther King Jr. - I've Been to the Mountaintop (Last Speech; Assassinated Next Day) :: Duration: 02:38
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5274[2017-12-01 15:46:27] <giddles> erasmus> no one knows what really happened to Seth. <-- it wasnt just discovered
5275[2017-12-01 15:46:44] <giddles> in my country they use mobile cell phone status for example to locate who was connected to a cell
5276[2017-12-01 15:46:51] <giddles> how long, where was the next cell
5277[2017-12-01 15:47:04] <giddles> if you rlly want and have the will do discover it, you are able in 2017
5278[2017-12-01 15:47:22] <mrlamont> hey giddles
5279[2017-12-01 15:47:24] <giddles> do = to
5280[2017-12-01 15:47:27] <mrlamont> can you re-read to me what you just typed
5281[2017-12-01 15:47:31] <mrlamont> and let me know if it makes sense to you
5282[2017-12-01 15:47:36] <giddles> fuck you
5283[2017-12-01 15:47:42] <mrlamont> because it looks like someone took a giant shit on my monitor
5284[2017-12-01 15:48:34] <giddles> in 2017 you are able to find out which cell phone with its unique ID (called imei) was connected to which cell
5285[2017-12-01 15:49:14] <giddles> in english its called radio-cell query
5286[2017-12-01 15:51:37] <giddles> just trace all imei's who went in and out of the cell where seth rhich was murdered and you got a possible list of ppl who can be connected or not in that case
5287[2017-12-01 15:52:43] <giddles> if you grid out locals or ppl who have an cast-iron alibi, the list went smaller
5288[2017-12-01 15:54:16] <giddles> no idea how munch cells exist in bloomingdale, but i bet 10$ that there are only one or two
5289[2017-12-01 15:57:21] <giddles> we germans call that "Raster-Fahndung"
5290[2017-12-01 15:57:27] <giddles> "Grid-Manhunt"
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5293[2017-12-01 15:58:16] <MuckySocks> the assassin carried a tracking device ?
5294[2017-12-01 15:58:36] <giddles> a cell phone maybe
5295[2017-12-01 15:58:43] <giddles> everyone has a cell phone
5296[2017-12-01 15:58:59] <giddles> most ppl suvelliance their homes or their car
5297[2017-12-01 15:59:18] <MuckySocks> i guess thats the difference between us
5298[2017-12-01 15:59:19] <giddles> there must be some body of evidence
5299[2017-12-01 15:59:35] <MuckySocks> i just wouldn't take my cell phone if i was going out murdering
5300[2017-12-01 15:59:41] <giddles> hmk
5301[2017-12-01 16:01:56] <MuckySocks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1n8Zt--s3o
5302[2017-12-01 16:01:57] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Son Of Shaft - The Bar-Kays @ Wattstax :: Duration: 04:41
5303[2017-12-01 16:04:01] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: Private Companies Look to Cash in as Homeland Security Brings Facial Recognition to U.S. Borders <https://theintercept.com/2017/11/29/facial-recognition-homeland-security-borders/>
5304[2017-12-01 16:04:28] <erasmus> you know what 
5305[2017-12-01 16:04:31] <erasmus> fuck this shit
5306[2017-12-01 16:04:37] <erasmus> mrlamont made me feel like a loser 
5307[2017-12-01 16:04:41] <erasmus> I'm going fencing
5308[2017-12-01 16:04:48] <erasmus> screw u gais
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5310[2017-12-01 16:05:05] <mrlamont> [MISSION ACCOMPLISHED]
5311[2017-12-01 16:18:14] <MuckySocks> was that riff in the original GTA ?
5312[2017-12-01 16:28:53] <KiwlJazz> Hey hey
5313[2017-12-01 16:29:15] <mrlamont> Hey hey
5314[2017-12-01 16:29:30] <KiwlJazz> Whats new today
5315[2017-12-01 16:29:38] <mrlamont> LOL!
5316[2017-12-01 16:29:41] <mrlamont> good joke
5317[2017-12-01 16:30:37] <KiwlJazz> Something exciting could of happened
5318[2017-12-01 16:30:47] <mrlamont> something exciting did happen
5319[2017-12-01 16:30:50] <mrlamont> why dont you know about it
5320[2017-12-01 16:31:06] <KiwlJazz> Because I haven't been here or home all day
5321[2017-12-01 16:31:19] <mrlamont> LOL!
5322[2017-12-01 16:31:21] <mrlamont> no excuse
5323[2017-12-01 16:31:23] <mrlamont> its 2017
5324[2017-12-01 16:31:54] <KiwlJazz> for another 30 days
5325[2017-12-01 16:32:06] <mrlamont> what?
5326[2017-12-01 16:32:15] <KiwlJazz> then it will be 2018
5327[2017-12-01 16:32:44] <mrlamont> cool
5328[2017-12-01 16:32:52] <KiwlJazz> everyone will get a flying car
5329[2017-12-01 16:32:58] <mrlamont> you'll still be able to get news when youre not at home then you fucking idiot
5330[2017-12-01 16:33:04] <KiwlJazz> and one of those cool tricorder things that heal people from star trek
5331[2017-12-01 16:33:06] <mrlamont> and then you wont have to join irc chat channels
5332[2017-12-01 16:33:09] <mrlamont> and ask about the news
5333[2017-12-01 16:33:15] <mrlamont> like youre living in fucking amishville
5334[2017-12-01 16:33:51] <KiwlJazz> What is with you...
5335[2017-12-01 16:33:56] <mrlamont> sup
5336[2017-12-01 16:34:38] <mrlamont> are you caught up on the news yet
5337[2017-12-01 16:34:45] <KiwlJazz> you are like the crankiest person...
5338[2017-12-01 16:35:02] <mrlamont> totally
5339[2017-12-01 16:35:06] <mrlamont> hey are you caught up yet
5340[2017-12-01 16:35:23] <KiwlJazz> no
5341[2017-12-01 16:35:35] <mrlamont> hurry up
5342[2017-12-01 16:35:51] <mrlamont> how long does this usually take you
5343[2017-12-01 16:37:00] <MuckySocks> white people nearly enjoy themselves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-4sbIV_khU
5344[2017-12-01 16:37:01] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Sam & Dave ‎– Hold On, I'm Comin' (Live Version) Official Video :: Duration: 08:05
5345[2017-12-01 16:44:50] <MuckySocks> we can't assimilate them :o
5346[2017-12-01 16:47:25] <KiwlJazz> was that in Europe
5347[2017-12-01 16:48:02] <KiwlJazz> cause everyone sitting down
5348[2017-12-01 16:48:50] <KiwlJazz> at least the clapping on the back beats
5349[2017-12-01 16:48:56] <KiwlJazz> not 1 and 3
5350[2017-12-01 16:50:18] <MuckySocks> i dunno, who are those uniformed guys ?
5351[2017-12-01 16:50:27] <MuckySocks> Sam's face is incredulous
5352[2017-12-01 16:51:42] <JamGobbar> http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/russia-trump-white-house/index.html
5353[2017-12-01 16:51:42] <rabble_bot> ^ Russia investigation zeroes in on Trump inner circle - CNNPolitics
5354[2017-12-01 16:51:59] <KiwlJazz> Europeans are the only culture or at least group of cultures i guess that taken music and made it into something to sit down and watch
5355[2017-12-01 16:52:27] <JamGobbar> Michael Flynn's downfall Friday exacerbated grave legal and political risks that represent the most serious threat to any administration for at least 40 years, and could eventually imperil the Trump presidency itself.
5356[2017-12-01 16:52:37] <KiwlJazz> all other cultures through out the world...music usually serves some purpose or accompanies a ceremony or celebration
5357[2017-12-01 16:53:11] <nomic> b.zzzz..
5358[2017-12-01 16:53:23] <nomic> u heard of laura nyro kwiljazz
5359[2017-12-01 16:53:38] <nomic> laura nyro
5360[2017-12-01 16:53:45] <KiwlJazz> going to war...i dunno. The whole sit and watch people on stage and clap at the end is weird if you think about it in relation to every other culture in the world
5361[2017-12-01 16:53:47] <nomic> listening to laura nyro a lot
5362[2017-12-01 16:54:00] <KiwlJazz> never heard of her
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5364[2017-12-01 16:54:34] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukFt2IkLlMs  Laura Nyro - Eli and the Thirteenth Confession (Album 1968)
5365[2017-12-01 16:54:35] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Laura Nyro - Eli and the Thirteenth Confession (Album 1968) :: Duration: 47:05
5366[2017-12-01 16:54:41] <KiwlJazz> oh wow shes been around a while
5367[2017-12-01 16:54:58] <KiwlJazz> is she still alive?
5368[2017-12-01 16:55:02] <nomic> no
5369[2017-12-01 16:55:04] <nomic> died young
5370[2017-12-01 16:55:36] <MuckySocks> she didn't mind dieing
5371[2017-12-01 16:55:39] <nomic> hell of a singer
5372[2017-12-01 16:55:40] <MuckySocks> dying
5373[2017-12-01 16:56:34] <nomic> she was gr8.. heard like janis joplin
5374[2017-12-01 16:56:41] <nomic> others .. amy winehouse
5375[2017-12-01 16:56:47] <nomic> laura nyro had it all
5376[2017-12-01 16:56:51] <nomic> more recordings
5377[2017-12-01 16:56:59] <nomic> played piano
5378[2017-12-01 16:57:18] <nomic> sorta defined it
5379[2017-12-01 16:58:02] <nomic> listening to her a lot
5380[2017-12-01 16:58:06] <nomic> lots on youtube 
5381[2017-12-01 16:58:11] <nomic> is all on youtube
5382[2017-12-01 16:58:14] <KiwlJazz> she has a unique voice
5383[2017-12-01 16:58:22] <nomic> top down imo
5384[2017-12-01 16:58:27] <nomic> top registers
5385[2017-12-01 16:58:53] <nomic> takes a while to atune cos she was so in tune
5386[2017-12-01 16:59:01] <nomic> she had it, 100%
5387[2017-12-01 17:00:54] <KiwlJazz> she reminds me of BUrt Bacharach kinda
5388[2017-12-01 17:01:18] <nomic> While in high school, she sang with a group of friends in subway stations and on street corners. She said, "I would go out singing, as a teenager, to a party or out on the street, because there were harmony groups there, and that was one of the joys of my youth."[9] Nyro commented: "I was always interested in the social consciousness of certain songs. My mother and grandfather were progressive thinkers, so I felt 
5389[2017-12-01 17:01:18] <nomic> at home in the peace movement and the women's movement, and that has influenced my music."[9]
5390[2017-12-01 17:02:01] <KiwlJazz> I think of Minnie Ripperton and Tammie Terrell too
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5392[2017-12-01 17:02:14] <KiwlJazz> Strange I've never heard of her before
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5396[2017-12-01 17:04:16] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B7naJ3A5YE  Laura Nyro - Wedding Bell Blues
5397[2017-12-01 17:04:16] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Laura Nyro - Wedding Bell Blues :: Duration: 02:55
5398[2017-12-01 17:04:22] <nomic> motown
5399[2017-12-01 17:06:47] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EWuYJgJv9w  Laura Nyro - Ain't No Mountain High Enough
5400[2017-12-01 17:06:48] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Laura Nyro - Ain't No Mountain High Enough :: Duration: 04:48
5401[2017-12-01 17:07:30] <KiwlJazz> closest we have today Nomic...Fiona Apple, Lady Gaga, Regina Spektor?
5402[2017-12-01 17:10:53] <KiwlJazz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fczPlmz-Vug
5403[2017-12-01 17:10:54] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Regina Spektor - "Us" [OFFICIAL Video] :: Duration: 04:03
5404[2017-12-01 17:12:39] <MuckySocks> yay fiona apple :)
5405[2017-12-01 17:12:54] <MuckySocks> you know Camille ?
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5412[2017-12-01 17:18:55] <KiwlJazz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMEpaVL_WsU
5413[2017-12-01 17:18:56] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Regina Spektor - "Eet" [Official Music Video] :: Duration: 03:53
5414[2017-12-01 17:19:26] <KiwlJazz> I don't listen to Regina Spektor all that much honestly...but her approach to songwritting and some of the structures of her songs are unusual and interesting
5415[2017-12-01 17:22:15] <KiwlJazz> just the name Camille
5416[2017-12-01 17:25:08] <KiwlJazz> I listened to a song called Seeds
5417[2017-12-01 17:25:21] <KiwlJazz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0O4F0fZbD0
5418[2017-12-01 17:25:22] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Camille - Seeds (Official Music Video) :: Duration: 02:52
5419[2017-12-01 17:25:24] <KiwlJazz> that the lady?
5420[2017-12-01 17:27:14] <MuckySocks> no
5421[2017-12-01 17:28:00] <KiwlJazz> oh my bad...but she werid
5422[2017-12-01 17:28:01] <KiwlJazz> lol
5423[2017-12-01 17:28:12] <MuckySocks> well maybe, but this is more recent
5424[2017-12-01 17:29:43] <KiwlJazz> I want to remix and rerecord all her songs I've heard so far
5425[2017-12-01 17:30:24] <MuckySocks> (:
5426[2017-12-01 17:30:26] <MuckySocks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPGNWFQy_gg
5427[2017-12-01 17:30:27] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Camille - Ta Douleur (Clip Officiel) :: Duration: 03:17
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5430[2017-12-01 17:36:43] <KiwlJazz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm5yyimKo4E
5431[2017-12-01 17:36:44] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Yuna - Thinkin Bout You (Frank Ocean Cover) :: Duration: 04:50
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5433[2017-12-01 17:38:10] <nomic> that regina spektor sounds like shit
5434[2017-12-01 17:40:25] <KiwlJazz> her voice is eh...
5435[2017-12-01 17:40:39] <KiwlJazz> I dunno remember seing a show on TV where she sand and played piano and i was fascinated
5436[2017-12-01 17:44:02] <KiwlJazz> i dunno its quirky
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5438[2017-12-01 17:53:36] <KiwlJazz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3baQwUrTxzE
5439[2017-12-01 17:53:37] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Yuna - Lullabies :: Duration: 04:04
5440[2017-12-01 17:54:05] <KiwlJazz> She can really sing and shape phrases
5441[2017-12-01 18:00:13] <KiwlJazz> https://www.facebook.com/jazzatlincolncenter/videos/10155951808169675/
5442[2017-12-01 18:00:14] <rabble_bot> ^ The Fabulous Dorsey Brothers: Saxophone... - Jazz at Lincoln Center
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5446[2017-12-01 18:14:18] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Fox News' Reporter Mocks Trump For Cancelling Press Event <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/fox-news-wh-correspondent-sticks-tongue>
5447[2017-12-01 18:16:07] <KiwlJazz> Press event for
5448[2017-12-01 18:16:09] <KiwlJazz> what
5449[2017-12-01 18:21:17] <JamGobbar> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/01/us/trump-associates-russia-election.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
5450[2017-12-01 18:21:18] <rabble_bot> ^ A Quick Look at the Ties Between Trump Officials and Russia - The New York Times
5451[2017-12-01 18:23:25] <JamGobbar> But soon after the F.B.I. interview in which Mr. Flynn falsely said the same thing, Sally Q. Yates, an Obama-era holdover serving as acting attorney general, warned the Trump White House that Russia could blackmail Mr. Flynn over having lied. Mr. Trump soon fired Ms. Yates over an unrelated matter, but did not act against Mr. Flynn until The Washington Post reported nearly two weeks 
5452[2017-12-01 18:23:25] <JamGobbar> later that intelligence officials knew that Mr. Flynn and the Russian ambassador had talked about sanctions, leaving Mr. Kislyak with the impression that the Trump administration would revisit the issue after taking office. Mr. Trump then fired Mr. Flynn, ostensibly for having misled Mr. Pence.
5453[2017-12-01 18:23:34] <Nelluk> #fakenews
5454[2017-12-01 18:23:50] <JamGobbar> not RT approved, certainly
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5457[2017-12-01 18:37:50] <nomic> trump is a retarded 12 year old kid
5458[2017-12-01 18:37:52] <nomic> your president
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5461[2017-12-01 18:51:04] <JamGobbar> thats kind of an insult to retarded 12 year old kids everywhere
5462[2017-12-01 18:51:05] <JamGobbar> honestly
5463[2017-12-01 18:53:04] <JamGobbar> https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-failing-lead-hiv-advocates-say-world-aids-day-n824961 <<=-- trump failing to lead? you dont say
5464[2017-12-01 18:53:04] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump failing to lead on HIV, advocates say on World AIDS Day
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5472[2017-12-01 19:06:12] <RcHaCk> Mr_Reader
5473[2017-12-01 19:08:01] <JamGobbar> https://pics.me.me/hes-just-playing-4d-chess-america-again-its-fine-everything-20640940.png
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5478[2017-12-01 19:14:28] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Fox Refuses To Air Ad About How GOP Tax Plan Benefits Trump Family <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/fox-refuses-air-ad-about-how-gop-tax-plan>
5479[2017-12-01 19:17:17] <JamGobbar> rofl
5480[2017-12-01 19:17:20] <JamGobbar> fucking fox
5481[2017-12-01 19:20:45] <KiwlJazz> So who has read all 459 pages of the Senates version of Tax Plan Shitfest?
5482[2017-12-01 19:25:11] <Mr_Reader> Why you guys don't just ban mrlamont?
5483[2017-12-01 19:25:27] <Mr_Reader> He is a waste of space, can't even defeat kiwljazz
5484[2017-12-01 19:25:50] <Mr_Reader> What he will do in his life.. I wonder
5485[2017-12-01 19:25:52] <nomic> https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/935707498295779328
5486[2017-12-01 19:25:54] <rabble_bot> ^ JΞSŦΞR ✪ ΔCŦUΔL³³º¹ on Twitter: "Posted without comment. https://t.co/QdqdK8jDlP"
5487[2017-12-01 19:26:55] <JamGobbar> An investigation by the inspector general of the Department of Defense into Michael Flynn and his failure to disclose foreign payments he had received has been placed on the hold, a spokesman said.
5488[2017-12-01 19:26:58] <JamGobbar> another sign he cut a deal
5489[2017-12-01 19:29:34] <JamGobbar> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/01/why-we-can-say-with-near-certainty-that-michael-flynn-has-flipped-sides-in-the-russia-investigation/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_flynn-flip-fix-430pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
5490[2017-12-01 19:29:35] <rabble_bot> ^ What likely led Michael Flynn to flip sides in the Russia investigation - The Washington Post
5491[2017-12-01 19:30:34] <KiwlJazz> Mr_Reader are you back to being yourself?
5492[2017-12-01 19:31:40] <KiwlJazz> I'm stuck between deciding to continue watching Jazz @ Lincoln Center Livestream playing the music of Jimmy/Tommy Dorsy and well the Senate is streaming live the Tax vote
5493[2017-12-01 19:32:05] <KiwlJazz> https://www.facebook.com/washingtonpost/videos/10157186430797293/
5494[2017-12-01 19:32:06] <rabble_bot> ^ Washington Post - Watch live video from the Senate. Senate...
5495[2017-12-01 19:32:15] <KiwlJazz> Doing Roll call vote...quorum call
5496[2017-12-01 19:32:19] <KiwlJazz> nothing interesting happening
5497[2017-12-01 19:34:56] <JamGobbar> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/01/gop-eyes-post-tax-cut-changes-to-welfare-medicare-and-social-security/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_whatnext-130pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory <<=-- the fucking over of the american people will not stop with tax reform
5498[2017-12-01 19:34:57] <rabble_bot> ^ GOP eyes post-tax-cut changes to welfare, Medicare and Social Security - The Washington Post
5499[2017-12-01 19:37:46] <JamGobbar> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/01/obama-issues-a-warning-in-india-think-before-you-tweet/?tid=pm_world_pop lol obama
5500[2017-12-01 19:37:47] <rabble_bot> ^ Obama issues a warning in India: ‘Think before you tweet’ - The Washington Post
5501[2017-12-01 19:37:52] <JamGobbar> i miss you
5502[2017-12-01 19:38:29] <Mr_Reader> Damn Obomba
5503[2017-12-01 19:39:13] <JamGobbar> droppin' da bomb on presidential irresponsibility
5504[2017-12-01 19:40:02] <KiwlJazz> its going down now
5505[2017-12-01 19:40:07] <KiwlJazz> voting on ammendments
5506[2017-12-01 19:40:18] <JamGobbar> congrats 1%
5507[2017-12-01 19:40:27] <JamGobbar> you got even more money now
5508[2017-12-01 19:48:29] <KiwlJazz> Hah their ammendmant to waive budget rules failed
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5510[2017-12-01 19:58:15] <zapster> https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/japans-tight-labour-market-generates-deflation.html
5511[2017-12-01 19:58:15] <rabble_bot> ^ Japan’s Tight Labor Market Generates Deflation… | naked capitalism
5512[2017-12-01 19:58:23] <zapster> heh. so much for mainstream econ again
5513[2017-12-01 20:00:07] <zapster> Just a quick observation today as Japan released its October unemployment rate at 2.8%, way below supposed full employment. Yet it’s still waiting for wage inflation to kick in, for about  twenty years now…
5514[2017-12-01 20:00:33] <zapster> so their huge deficit has not caused inflation and full employment has not caused inflation. 
5515[2017-12-01 20:00:44] <zapster> tell me again why we shouldn't be spending more? 
5516[2017-12-01 20:01:09] <KiwlJazz> I can't believe Rubio
5517[2017-12-01 20:01:51] <KiwlJazz> I have to admit Rubio ran for President his tax credit idea was...intriguing but this bullshit hes pushing isn't even half that what he campaigned on
5518[2017-12-01 20:01:56] <KiwlJazz> oh well
5519[2017-12-01 20:02:07] <KiwlJazz> he should of quit Senate all together
5520[2017-12-01 20:02:43] <KiwlJazz> If I were a Republican donor...I'd back and fund a ham sandwhich to run in 2020 over Rubio
5521[2017-12-01 20:03:55] <KiwlJazz> I'm not even republican or like Republicans....just how much of a future I think Rubio has....
5522[2017-12-01 20:05:55] <KiwlJazz> I just assume this bill is the same bs the House passed but they marked up. Can the Senate originate a bill? I imagine whatever pile of crap passes has to go back to the House before going to Trumps desk
5523[2017-12-01 20:06:19] <JamGobbar> https://nypost.com/2017/12/01/deputy-shoots-ex-girlfriend-kills-himself-while-on-duty/ <<=-- when the wrong cop has a bad day
5524[2017-12-01 20:06:20] <rabble_bot> ^ Deputy shoots ex-girlfriend, kills himself while on duty | New York Post
5525[2017-12-01 20:06:24] <JamGobbar> s/cop/gun owner
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5529[2017-12-01 20:07:16] <JamGobbar> https://pagesix.com/2017/12/01/nbc-news-is-erasing-all-memory-of-matt-lauer/ <<=--- if you admit guilt you WILL be erased
5530[2017-12-01 20:07:17] <rabble_bot> ^ NBC News is erasing all memory of Matt Lauer | Page Six
5531[2017-12-01 20:09:50] <KiwlJazz> oh god
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5534[2017-12-01 20:11:21] <KiwlJazz> Democrats trying to save SALT taxes....Republicans are gonna steamroll over this and keep on with this trollicious bill...
5535[2017-12-01 20:11:49] <zapster> Somewhat similar to the USA, where workers averaged a total compensation increase of 0.47% from 1985 to present, as opposed to Denmark, which experienced a 220% increase. Japan and the USA in similar situation, and both offshored jobs and tech to China.
5536[2017-12-01 20:12:56] <zapster> https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/market-competition-really-works.html
5537[2017-12-01 20:13:01] <rabble_bot> ^ How Market Competition Really Works | naked capitalism
5538[2017-12-01 20:14:39] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: C&L's Late Nite Music Club With The Jeff Beck Group <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/cls-late-nite-music-club-jeff-beck-group>
5539[2017-12-01 20:26:12] <zapster>     What’s been particularly horrifying to learn is the seriality of the harassment enterprise, the enormous numbers of victims so many of the sexual exploiters racked up. It’s like they’re on autopilot, programmed to extract sex—or recompense, or humiliation, or something—from unwilling women. Whatever they’re after, clearly no quantity of it ever suffices. Learning about other humans acting so robotically
5540[2017-12-01 20:26:12] <zapster>  presents a conceptual difficulty. We wish to emphasize the moral agency of the predators, their supposed gains—sadistic pleasure, the glee of getting away with it—which enlarges their monstrosity and distinguishes them from the rest of us. But who would “choose” to be a robot?
5541[2017-12-01 20:26:25] <zapster> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/12/21/kick-against-the-pricks/
5542[2017-12-01 20:26:25] <rabble_bot> ^ Kick Against the Pricks | by Laura Kipnis | The New York Review of Books
5543[2017-12-01 20:27:41] <Reader> http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362856-cnn-white-house-claims-obama-admin-approved-flynn-calls-with-russian
5544[2017-12-01 20:27:41] <rabble_bot> ^ CNN: White House claims Obama admin approved Flynn calls with Russian ambassador | TheHill
5545[2017-12-01 20:28:31] <zapster>  If women are stuck with the task of overthrowing aristocratic privilege a few hundred years late, it’s because this social stratum needs to be liquidated before all genders can achieve civic and economic equality.
5546[2017-12-01 20:28:39] <zapster> might be good for all of us lol
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5548[2017-12-01 20:30:49] <rabble_bot> News from amcon: Washington DC December 2017 <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/washington-dc-december-2017/>
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5551[2017-12-01 20:36:27] <zapster>  The majority of those who report harassment end up in different jobs, which makes it understandable that, according to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, 70 percent of women who are harassed don’t report it. The Bureau of Justice Statistics keeps a separate category for workplace rapes and sexual assaults, which number upward of 43,000 a year, but Carlson notes that “women’s advocates say that this number v
5552[2017-12-01 20:36:27] <zapster> astly underrepresents such crimes.” 
5553[2017-12-01 20:36:29] <KiwlJazz> Democrats ammendmant to save Salt Tax failed
5554[2017-12-01 20:36:46] <zapster> this is gonna be such a disaster if they shove that through
5555[2017-12-01 20:37:35] <KiwlJazz> Ted Cruz is trolling now about education savings plans
5556[2017-12-01 20:41:12] <zapster> The convenience of misogyny is that men are spared from hating themselves because they have women to hate instead.
5557[2017-12-01 20:41:17] <zapster> lots of truth in that
5558[2017-12-01 20:41:23] <zapster> ugh. which won't work
5559[2017-12-01 20:41:44] <zapster> in an economy where no one has enough money to save, and they're sucking it all up to the top? not a chance.
5560[2017-12-01 20:42:03] <zapster> their goal is an uneducated populace
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5563[2017-12-01 20:53:56] <KiwlJazz> some russian dude called my music preposterous
5564[2017-12-01 20:56:28] <coffeeguy> https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/12/russian-sites-call-hiv-a-myth-western-conspiracy-an-epidemic-is-now-exploding/
5565[2017-12-01 20:56:30] <rabble_bot> ^ Russian sites call HIV a myth, Western conspiracy—an epidemic is now exploding | Ars Technica
5566[2017-12-01 20:57:30] <KiwlJazz> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/12/the-neverending-foreclosure/547181/
5567[2017-12-01 20:57:31] <rabble_bot> ^ The Recession Hasn't Ended - The Atlantic
5568[2017-12-01 20:57:48] <KiwlJazz> How can the country survive the next economic crash if millions of families still haven't recovered from the last one?
5569[2017-12-01 21:03:07] <zapster> even russia has idiots 
5570[2017-12-01 21:03:10] <zapster> https://medium.com/migration-issues/the-great-baby-bust-of-2017-2f63907402fc
5571[2017-12-01 21:03:11] <rabble_bot> ^ The Great Baby Bust of 2017 – In a State of Migration – Medium
5572[2017-12-01 21:03:40] <zapster> good question. the next crash will cause revolutions all over the place I think
5573[2017-12-01 21:06:53] <KiwlJazz> Oh man
5574[2017-12-01 21:07:00] <KiwlJazz> Pence is there to break tie votes
5575[2017-12-01 21:07:33] <KiwlJazz> Pence votes in the affirmative for Ted Cruz trolling education tax saving ammendmant
5576[2017-12-01 21:08:22] <KiwlJazz> Tim Kaine just wasting everybodies time 
5577[2017-12-01 21:08:35] <KiwlJazz> Democrats should know their ammendants and fixes won't be considered
5578[2017-12-01 21:08:41] <KiwlJazz> to this trolling piece of legislation
5579[2017-12-01 21:14:42] <zapster> these guys must all have wonderful sinecures on wall street promised to them, because this is likely to end their political careers
5580[2017-12-01 21:14:47] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Jon Tester Sneers At The Republican's Tax Bill Farce <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/jon-tester-calls-out-republican-tax-bill>
5581[2017-12-01 21:14:48] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Open Thread - Tonight On Fox (Not A Photoshop!) <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/open-thread-tonight-fox-not-photoshop>
5582[2017-12-01 21:15:36] <KiwlJazz> A salary of 165,000 is not all that
5583[2017-12-01 21:15:46] <KiwlJazz> everyone makes more in the private sector
5584[2017-12-01 21:16:01] <KiwlJazz> hell some 200 COngressmen in the house a lone have networths over a million
5585[2017-12-01 21:16:17] <KiwlJazz> i dunno what they spend their government salary checks on...air face and armani suits
5586[2017-12-01 21:16:23] <KiwlJazz> hookers and blow
5587[2017-12-01 21:16:30] <KiwlJazz> ::shrug::
5588[2017-12-01 21:16:58] <KiwlJazz> I think POlitical parties are dead
5589[2017-12-01 21:17:07] <KiwlJazz> well as we knew them
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5591[2017-12-01 21:20:11] <zapster> because the ticket to the really huge money is a stint in government so you can lobby for them
5592[2017-12-01 21:20:41] <zapster> goldman sachs practically makes it a requirement
5593[2017-12-01 21:20:56] <KiwlJazz> what is the end goal 
5594[2017-12-01 21:21:11] <KiwlJazz> who ever is pulling strings...is nuts
5595[2017-12-01 21:21:29] <KiwlJazz> i have a hard time believing this is all on the Kochs
5596[2017-12-01 21:21:38] <KiwlJazz> maybe it is
5597[2017-12-01 21:21:53] <zapster> https://twitter.com/StephanieKelton/status/936655792060682240
5598[2017-12-01 21:21:55] <rabble_bot> ^ Stephanie Kelton on Twitter: "There was no danger, and they knew it all along. You (and millions of Americans) #GotPlayed https://t.co/BXMsMKymas"
5599[2017-12-01 21:22:01] <KiwlJazz> maybe who ever used to fund GOP is no more...the more mainstream/establsihment types
5600[2017-12-01 21:22:06] <KiwlJazz> the establishment is dead
5601[2017-12-01 21:22:33] <zapster> killing off the middle class and turning the rich into feudal lords 
5602[2017-12-01 21:23:33] <KiwlJazz> damn not even Democrats voting for Kaines bullshit ammendment
5603[2017-12-01 21:23:44] <zapster> https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/gops-list-of-economists-backing-tax-cut-includes-ghosts-office-assistants-ex-felons-and-a-sprinkling-of-real-economists/
5604[2017-12-01 21:23:47] <rabble_bot> ^ GOP’s List of Economists Backing Tax Cut Includes Ghosts, Office Assistants, Ex-Felons, and a Sprinkling of Real Economists
5605[2017-12-01 21:23:51] <KiwlJazz> Durbin and Murrary were like....reclaiming my time
5606[2017-12-01 21:23:52] <KiwlJazz> lol
5607[2017-12-01 21:24:22] <zapster> real bad economists
5608[2017-12-01 21:24:27] <KiwlJazz> I don't even know if Ron Paul is for this
5609[2017-12-01 21:24:28] <KiwlJazz> craziness
5610[2017-12-01 21:24:52] <zapster> “Economic growth will accelerate if the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act passes, leading to more jobs, higher wages, and a better standard of living for the American people,” reads the letter, which was organized by the RATE Coalition, a corporate advocacy group that is lobbying in support of the bill.
5611[2017-12-01 21:26:00] <KiwlJazz> what happened to Grover Norquist
5612[2017-12-01 21:26:04] <KiwlJazz> and his awful Think Tank
5613[2017-12-01 21:26:16] <KiwlJazz> Americans for Tax Reform
5614[2017-12-01 21:26:49] <djancak> are you talking about good ole grover babe
5615[2017-12-01 21:27:26] <KiwlJazz> Grover is a troll
5616[2017-12-01 21:27:58] <KiwlJazz> but I mean I have more respect for him than fake economist that don't exist
5617[2017-12-01 21:28:58] <zapster> https://twitter.com/stf18/status/936710911498350592
5618[2017-12-01 21:28:59] <rabble_bot> ^ Scott Fullwiler on Twitter: "Since we all expect that Social Security, Medicare will be on the chopping block soon, it's worth recalling this piece explaining how CBO is… https://t.co/TWw1up0gSG"
5619[2017-12-01 21:29:15] <zapster> they're just wrong on most of it 
5620[2017-12-01 21:29:43] <zapster> CBO is required by law to make both programs appear to be in trouble even when they are not.
5621[2017-12-01 21:30:51] <djancak> what the hell
5622[2017-12-01 21:30:58] <djancak> what law requires the CBO to do that
5623[2017-12-01 21:31:45] <KiwlJazz> what ever bullshit Paul Ryan passed upon taking over
5624[2017-12-01 21:31:59] <zapster> still making the false assumption that the debt even matters of course
5625[2017-12-01 21:32:15] <KiwlJazz> the debt doesn't matter
5626[2017-12-01 21:32:21] <KiwlJazz> but the interest payments do
5627[2017-12-01 21:32:25] <zapster> supposedly there's a law saying that if the trust fund gets low, it's not allowed to draw from general funds
5628[2017-12-01 21:32:45] <zapster> it would be a lot more sensible to just eliminate the trust fund and pay it all from general funds 
5629[2017-12-01 21:32:47] <KiwlJazz> didn't they change laws for GAO too
5630[2017-12-01 21:32:56] <zapster> and quit worrying about the debt entirely
5631[2017-12-01 21:33:01] <KiwlJazz> so now the whole budget is counted all kindas of stupid
5632[2017-12-01 21:33:03] <zapster> just fund a working economy 
5633[2017-12-01 21:33:14] <KiwlJazz> because they got rid of GAAP
5634[2017-12-01 21:33:24] <zapster> spending and taxes should be based on real results, not stupid theories 
5635[2017-12-01 21:33:35] <KiwlJazz> its all a sham
5636[2017-12-01 21:33:40] <zapster> it is
5637[2017-12-01 21:33:43] <KiwlJazz> its so bad
5638[2017-12-01 21:33:48] <zapster> and I think most of them know better too
5639[2017-12-01 21:33:52] <KiwlJazz> it makes me think Larry Summers is competant
5640[2017-12-01 21:33:53] <zapster> political football
5641[2017-12-01 21:33:57] <zapster> pgh
5642[2017-12-01 21:34:13] <zapster> ugh. he helped create the financial crash
5643[2017-12-01 21:34:42] <KiwlJazz> The team from Enron might be more honest in account...lets just turn the CBO and GAO over to them
5644[2017-12-01 21:35:00] <zapster> https://twitter.com/benwikler/status/936829696032960512
5645[2017-12-01 21:35:01] <rabble_bot> ^ Ben Wikler on Twitter: "Until now, your income that paid for public schools (via state & local taxes) wasn’t taxed by the federal government. GOP bill ends that. In… https://t.co/KIYJkh9nfm"
5646[2017-12-01 21:35:03] <zapster> sickening
5647[2017-12-01 21:35:37] <zapster> we need to kick this entire congress out, except for bernie. 
5648[2017-12-01 21:36:12] <zapster> https://twitter.com/jimmykimmel/status/936604304693010432
5649[2017-12-01 21:36:13] <rabble_bot> ^ Jimmy Kimmel on Twitter: "This is the greatest: @JakeByrdFromTV crashed a Roy Moore rally in Alabama... @MooreSenate https://t.co/3e1qqhOl04"
5650[2017-12-01 21:40:02] <zapster> this is kinda scary
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5652[2017-12-01 21:44:51] <zapster> https://twitter.com/thehill/status/936786273859022848
5653[2017-12-01 21:44:52] <rabble_bot> ^ The Hill on Twitter: "Over 6,000 DC lobbyists worked on GOP tax bill: report https://t.co/w6SpQTI5kC https://t.co/LgzVWKIUhj"
5654[2017-12-01 21:46:53] <djancak> ahaha god that idiot in the grand bay shirt
5655[2017-12-01 21:47:27] <zapster> https://twitter.com/evepeyser/status/936721972347752448
5656[2017-12-01 21:47:28] <rabble_bot> ^ eve peyser on Twitter: "welcome to the USA, where you have to crowdfund your medical bills and call your senators weekly to beg them vote against legislation that w… https://t.co/Xda8U0t2TI"
5657[2017-12-01 21:48:18] <zapster> https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/936834025678761984
5658[2017-12-01 21:48:19] <rabble_bot> ^ PeterNorway on Twitter: "Huge celebrations in the coal mines of West Virginia tonight over finally getting the private jet tax break they've fought valiantly for for… https://t.co/qNQZHGg3cA"
5659[2017-12-01 21:53:00] <zapster> https://twitter.com/SSWorks/status/936801893241700352
5660[2017-12-01 21:53:02] <rabble_bot> ^ SocialSecurityWorks on Twitter: "GOP Senators just voted down @SenSanders amendment to protect Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.That's because the #GOPTaxScam cuts… https://t.co/FhBKykfuo8"
5661[2017-12-01 21:55:21] <zapster> Online opinions about Trump, positive or negative, don't have any bearing on whether he is guilty of collusion. Only actually committing collusion would make him guilty of collusion — and Flynn's guilty plea does not suggest collusion in any regard.
5662[2017-12-01 21:59:02] <zapster> Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI about the specifics of his communications with Sergei Kislyak, at that time Russia's ambassador to the US, in December 2016 — but if one takes a moment to read what he and Kislyak actually talked about, a gaping hole opens in the collusion narrative.
5663[2017-12-01 21:59:59] <zapster> https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/936611147981078529
5664[2017-12-01 22:00:00] <rabble_bot> ^ Michael Tracey on Twitter: "Grand irony: the underlying action that Flynn now admits he lied to the FBI about was urging de-escalation with a nuclear power, which is no… https://t.co/qtiXDc5rvK"
5665[2017-12-01 22:00:08] <zapster> yeah. this is going nowhere. it's theater
5666[2017-12-01 22:03:03] <KiwlJazz> The Tax bill...I'm sure it will pass
5667[2017-12-01 22:03:14] <KiwlJazz> just that it will pass as written pretty much
5668[2017-12-01 22:03:30] <KiwlJazz> not sure whats in it
5669[2017-12-01 22:04:02] <zapster> everything in it is horrible
5670[2017-12-01 22:05:16] <zapster> https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/936739359667179522
5671[2017-12-01 22:05:18] <rabble_bot> ^ David Sirota on Twitter: "EXPOSED: Senate GOP quietly slips in provision that gives Blackstone CEO Steve Schwarzman a huge tax cut -- a year after Schwarzman made a $… https://t.co/W8OUoqskvF"
5672[2017-12-01 22:05:22] <zapster> and big big bribes
5673[2017-12-01 22:07:28] <KiwlJazz> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-tax-bill-handwritten-notes_us_5a21ef80e4b03350e0b6dbe3?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
5674[2017-12-01 22:07:29] <rabble_bot> ^ Democrats Appalled By GOP's Long, Last-Minute Tax Bill With Handwritten Notes | HuffPost
5675[2017-12-01 22:07:45] <KiwlJazz> This is trolling...
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5681[2017-12-01 22:33:35] <KiwlJazz> they are out of Ammendmants...McConnell calling for final vote now
5682[2017-12-01 22:41:34] <JamGobbar>  100 old white men are about to fuck millions of america in the middle of the night, and most people wont even be awake for it
5683[2017-12-01 22:47:32] <KiwlJazz> more like 53
5684[2017-12-01 22:47:45] <JamGobbar> true
5685[2017-12-01 22:47:54] <KiwlJazz> 48 will vote ...but this is some billshit can pass with a simple majority
5686[2017-12-01 22:51:04] <KiwlJazz> Yayt 51 Nay 49
5687[2017-12-01 22:51:06] <KiwlJazz> it passes
5688[2017-12-01 22:55:38] <KiwlJazz> http://www.politicususa.com/2017/12/01/mitch-mcconnell-admitted-allowed-read-tax-cut-bill-passes.html
5689[2017-12-01 22:55:39] <rabble_bot> ^ Mitch McConnell Just Admitted That No One Is Allowed To Read The Tax Cut Bill Until After It Passes
5690[2017-12-01 22:55:49] <zapster> that's insane
5691[2017-12-01 22:56:04] <zapster> should be criminal
5692[2017-12-01 23:00:31] <KiwlJazz> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/01/un-extreme-poverty-america-special-rapporteur
5693[2017-12-01 23:00:32] <rabble_bot> ^ Why the UN is investigating extreme poverty … in America, the world's richest nation | World news | The Guardian
5694[2017-12-01 23:06:54] <KiwlJazz> https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/nycs-24-hour-subway-service-may-be-coming-to-an-end-113017
5695[2017-12-01 23:06:55] <rabble_bot> ^ NYC’s 24-hour subway service may be coming to an end
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5697[2017-12-01 23:07:42] <KiwlJazz> how...i dunno what it's like in NYC i've always heard it refered to as city never sleeps and seems like people stay out all night and theres tons of stuff to do all hours of the day
5698[2017-12-01 23:07:59] <KiwlJazz> whatever...
5699[2017-12-01 23:09:15] <KiwlJazz> "In my long career in politics, I have not seen a more regressive piece of legislation, so devoid of a rationale, so ill-suited for the condition of the country, so removed from the reality of what the American people need." - Chuck Schumer
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5707[2017-12-01 23:44:23] <mythomaniac> hello
5708[2017-12-01 23:44:28] <mythomaniac> hello
5709[2017-12-01 23:44:30] <mythomaniac> hello
5710[2017-12-01 23:44:33] <mythomaniac> hello
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5715[2017-12-02 00:03:21] <rabble_bot> News from nakedcap: Is Bitcoin A Speculative Bubble? <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/bitcoin-speculative-bubble.html>
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5721[2017-12-02 01:03:29] <rabble_bot> News from nakedcap: GOP Tax Bill is Even Worse Than We Think <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/gop-tax-bill-even-worse-think.html>
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5723[2017-12-02 01:08:16] <nomic> supposed to be the case
5724[2017-12-02 01:08:23] <nomic> that if you work & commit to something totally
5725[2017-12-02 01:08:25] <nomic> you get aheads
5726[2017-12-02 01:08:27] <nomic> not here.
5727[2017-12-02 01:08:43] <nomic> you are working for thieves
5728[2017-12-02 01:08:48] <nomic> basic people
5729[2017-12-02 01:08:51] <nomic> that's the brit
5730[2017-12-02 01:08:54] <nomic> brits
5731[2017-12-02 01:09:00] <nomic> thats why there is no i.t. industry to speak of
5732[2017-12-02 01:09:27] <nomic> autonomy prosecutions still going on
5733[2017-12-02 01:09:31] <nomic> "britains bill gates"
5734[2017-12-02 01:09:33] <nomic> a huge fraud
5735[2017-12-02 01:09:43] <nomic> defrauded HP out of several billion
5736[2017-12-02 01:09:47] <nomic> mis-representation, fraud
5737[2017-12-02 01:09:49] <nomic> no systems
5738[2017-12-02 01:09:52] <nomic> liars, thieves
5739[2017-12-02 01:09:55] <nomic> how it is
5740[2017-12-02 01:10:07] <nomic> people who run software companies here = chancers, criminal thugs
5741[2017-12-02 01:10:27] <nomic> the government does not address this issue because the government is part of it
5742[2017-12-02 01:11:51] <nomic> A federal appeals court has upheld Hewlett-Packard’s settlement of a lawsuit over its $11.1 billion acquisition in 2011 of British software maker Autonomy, a settlement that rewrote the Palo Alto information technology giant’s internal review procedures in hopes of avoiding another such financial fiasco.
5743[2017-12-02 01:11:54] <nomic> The purchase, promoted as a buildup of HP’s software business, instead forced the company to take a whopping $8.8 billion write-down, a loss it blamed on misrepresentations by Autonomy. The British firm denied the accusation, but last year its former U.S. chief executive officer, Christopher Egan, was penalized more than $923,000 by the Securities and Exchange Commission for actions related to the sale.
5744[2017-12-02 01:12:02] <nomic> because autonomy was a british representation
5745[2017-12-02 01:12:05] <nomic> criminal liars.
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5750[2017-12-02 02:04:23] <nomic> no coincidence that britains two largest software companies of note, isoft, autonomy = massive fraudsters
5751[2017-12-02 02:04:23] <humbot> morning nomic :)
5752[2017-12-02 02:04:28] <nomic> hi humbot
5753[2017-12-02 02:04:31] <nomic> hi humbot
5754[2017-12-02 02:04:35] <nomic> im sick of the cold humbot
5755[2017-12-02 02:04:36] <humbot> at least its not raining
5756[2017-12-02 02:04:47] <nomic> rained last nite
5757[2017-12-02 02:05:06] <humbot> oh didn't notice
5758[2017-12-02 02:05:10] <nomic> rained a lot
5759[2017-12-02 02:05:13] <nomic> here
5760[2017-12-02 02:06:21] <humbot> wondering how many filthy thumbnails i've got on these old machines
5761[2017-12-02 02:06:27] <humbot> :P
5762[2017-12-02 02:07:43] <nomic> got cooker back on .. doing stew
5763[2017-12-02 02:08:03] <humbot> oh phew
5764[2017-12-02 02:08:12] <humbot> you must have a huge pan
5765[2017-12-02 02:08:17] <nomic> 7.5L
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5768[2017-12-02 02:09:02] <humbot> that would be like twice the size of your average large saucepan i guess
5769[2017-12-02 02:11:17] <humbot> made a big dal last night, and some mashed potatoes and some pork shoulder,
5770[2017-12-02 02:11:27] <humbot> should last the weekend
5771[2017-12-02 02:17:46] <KiwlJazz> hmmmm
5772[2017-12-02 02:23:27] <humbot> mmmmm
5773[2017-12-02 02:25:34] <humbot> yuo okay today KJ ?
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5776[2017-12-02 02:27:06] <KiwlJazz> why am I wasting my life
5777[2017-12-02 02:27:54] <KiwlJazz> I decided I wanted to visit Fox News.com and read peoples responses to see what they thought of the GOP tax plan
5778[2017-12-02 02:27:55] <humbot> wow start with the big questions
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5780[2017-12-02 02:28:28] <KiwlJazz> well i was reading some headlines and i saw one about how automation won't take our jobs away
5781[2017-12-02 02:29:00] <KiwlJazz> so i clicked on it and there was some segment with the guy from dirty jobs and he talked about how automation won't be that bad
5782[2017-12-02 02:29:03] <KiwlJazz> but thats about all he said
5783[2017-12-02 02:29:17] <KiwlJazz> and then the segment drifted into talking about his viagara ad
5784[2017-12-02 02:29:34] <KiwlJazz> This is Fox News for ya...
5785[2017-12-02 02:29:39] <KiwlJazz> it wasnt even news
5786[2017-12-02 02:30:23] <KiwlJazz> I only learned one thing from Fox News forums...One guy believes this tax plan will drive the dow up 50,000
5787[2017-12-02 02:30:40] <nomic> time of irritating ads on wikipedia
5788[2017-12-02 02:30:58] <nomic> hmm can close them
5789[2017-12-02 02:31:15] <KiwlJazz> I dunno i wanted to understand the mindset of the people who vote for Republicans
5790[2017-12-02 02:31:19] <humbot> i'll probably donate this year, can afford a bit
5791[2017-12-02 02:31:22] <KiwlJazz> and why think this troll fest is good
5792[2017-12-02 02:31:51] <KiwlJazz> I like to think theres some deep intellectual answer i guess
5793[2017-12-02 02:32:05] <KiwlJazz> why am I wasting my life lol
5794[2017-12-02 02:33:04] <humbot> its pretty grim
5795[2017-12-02 02:33:23] <KiwlJazz> I want to understand why someone wants to destroy the system so bad
5796[2017-12-02 02:33:34] <KiwlJazz> All i can think about is college students
5797[2017-12-02 02:33:58] <KiwlJazz> And how if the endowment tax is raised on college and if graduate students have to claim tuition breaks as income
5798[2017-12-02 02:34:06] <KiwlJazz> like how does this help anyone or society
5799[2017-12-02 02:34:22] <KiwlJazz> but then again republicans and people on the right are kinda anti college
5800[2017-12-02 02:35:05] <KiwlJazz> Do these people really understand and want things this way
5801[2017-12-02 02:35:16] <nomic> xml is shit imo
5802[2017-12-02 02:35:18] — humbot <massive shrug>
5803[2017-12-02 02:35:21] <KiwlJazz> then you read the comments and i think a lot of people don't understand anything
5804[2017-12-02 02:35:27] <nomic> why have 'tags
5805[2017-12-02 02:35:30] <nomic> with <>
5806[2017-12-02 02:35:36] <nomic> its fugly
5807[2017-12-02 02:35:42] <humbot> kind of came here to get out of my comfort bubble and see how others think
5808[2017-12-02 02:35:44] <KiwlJazz> like "Oh Democrats are whinning...this tax bill must be good...good trollicious Republicans go"
5809[2017-12-02 02:36:06] <KiwlJazz> "Nancy Pelosi was crying....i only want to see her cry"
5810[2017-12-02 02:36:16] <humbot> xml is fairly readable by both humans and machines, which is a nice compromise
5811[2017-12-02 02:36:30] <KiwlJazz> "thats like the bar of support these people offer
5812[2017-12-02 02:36:38] <humbot> exposure to so much wilful ignorance and selfishness is pretty tiring
5813[2017-12-02 02:37:06] <KiwlJazz> then...theres on my mind how this is the begging
5814[2017-12-02 02:37:09] <humbot> and yup the utter partisanship
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5816[2017-12-02 02:37:31] <KiwlJazz> like Republicans will guy medicaid and social safty net next
5817[2017-12-02 02:37:42] <humbot> with a diverse group of people as we have here, you'd expect there to be many intersecting opinions on different subjects
5818[2017-12-02 02:37:47] <KiwlJazz> i dunno in a way they have won on so many levels with this bill
5819[2017-12-02 02:37:54] <KiwlJazz> like the other issues are petty
5820[2017-12-02 02:38:01] <KiwlJazz> this gives them everything they want
5821[2017-12-02 02:38:09] <humbot> and sure you and I or fickle and yourself or zaps can disagree on some stuff and disagree on others
5822[2017-12-02 02:38:12] <KiwlJazz> and the leverage to shape their conspervative world
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5825[2017-12-02 02:38:28] <humbot> but the right-wingers here are just opposed to everything
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5827[2017-12-02 02:38:50] <KiwlJazz> Well there are ever so few who you run across
5828[2017-12-02 02:38:56] <KiwlJazz> that I'd call are intellectuals
5829[2017-12-02 02:39:07] <nomic> NKVD Order № 00447 of July 30, 1937 (Russian: О репрессировании бывших кулаков, уголовников и других антисоветских элементов) O repressirovanii byvshikh kulakov, ugolovnikov i drugikh antisovyetskikh elementov ("About repression of former kulaks, criminals, and other anti-Soviet elements") was signed by Nikolai Yezhov and approved by Politburo 
5830[2017-12-02 02:39:07] <nomic> during the Great Purge.[1]
5831[2017-12-02 02:39:14] <KiwlJazz> or they work out the end goals for the things they push
5832[2017-12-02 02:39:21] <KiwlJazz> everyone else is kind of a lemming of sorts
5833[2017-12-02 02:39:28] <nomic> That same order instructed to classify kulaks and other anti-Soviet elements into two categories: the First category (Category I) of repressed was subject to death by shooting, the Second category (Category II) was to be sent to GULAG correctional-labor camps. The order also set upper quotas per territory and category of social classes (proletariat, peasant, kulak, bourgeois, others).
5834[2017-12-02 02:39:28] <KiwlJazz> like they just follow and jump off a cliff
5835[2017-12-02 02:39:38] <KiwlJazz> but don't have the brains to grasp the end goal
5836[2017-12-02 02:39:40] <humbot> hopefully  :P
5837[2017-12-02 02:39:41] <nomic> there were a lot of gulags
5838[2017-12-02 02:40:06] <nomic> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/42/b0/d042b0dc7e9620508a1b2a270601ce5e.gif gulags
5839[2017-12-02 02:40:10] <KiwlJazz> ifs a question of do people understand twhere they are being led too
5840[2017-12-02 02:41:03] <nomic> One instance in July 23, 1938, the Omsk NKVD chief named Gorbach requested an increased quota of thousands of more executions, since his men had already fulfilled their plan; the request was approved by Stalin personally, who promoted Gorbach to a larger district.
5841[2017-12-02 02:41:14] <nomic> By the autumn of 1937, the pressure to achieve arrests was so great that the NKVD interrogators began picking out names from the telephone directory or preselecting married men with children who, as every agent knew, were the quickest to confess. Within 1939, the system of repression was bursting at the seams—one tenth of the population might be arrested, but not half.
5842[2017-12-02 02:41:28] <nomic> forced confessions
5843[2017-12-02 02:42:05] <nomic> NKVD Order â„– 00447 of July 30, 1937 The implementation was swift. By August 15, 1937, 101,000 were arrested and 14,000 convicted.
5844[2017-12-02 02:42:41] <nomic> It has been estimated between 200,000 to 600,000 people died at the hands of the Soviet government during the Purge.
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5847[2017-12-02 02:44:38] — nomic has shut up
5848[2017-12-02 02:47:00] <nomic> fk.
5849[2017-12-02 02:47:17] <nomic> tea i think
5850[2017-12-02 02:47:28] <nomic> Khadija Osman bey qizi Gayibova (Azerbaijani: Xədicə Qayıbova) (24 May 1893 – 27 October 1938) was a female Azerbaijani pianist.[citation needed] From Georgia in the then USSR, Gayibova died in Stalin's Great Purge of the 1930s.
5851[2017-12-02 02:47:30] <nomic> executed
5852[2017-12-02 02:47:34] <nomic> just 1
5853[2017-12-02 02:47:43] <nomic> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Khadija_Gaibova.jpg/220px-Khadija_Gaibova.jpg
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5856[2017-12-02 03:08:45] <humbot> maybe its just a matter of patience
5857[2017-12-02 03:08:58] <humbot> some people had to argue with diluvialists for their entire life
5858[2017-12-02 03:12:55] <nomic> gr8 flood?
5859[2017-12-02 03:12:59] <nomic> diluvialist
5860[2017-12-02 03:13:13] * g2` → doubuu
5861[2017-12-02 03:13:28] * doubuu → william
5862[2017-12-02 03:16:46] <humbot> The reason for its fame is the occurrence of "shelly drift" to the SE of the summit at an altitude of 400m
5863[2017-12-02 03:17:33] <humbot> The deposits were first described in 1831 by Trimmer, and after that the site was visited and examined by many of the leading scientists of the nineteenth century
5864[2017-12-02 03:17:50] <humbot> including Darwin, Greenly, Ramsay, Buckland and Lyell.
5865[2017-12-02 03:18:06] <erasmus> all good people are asleep & dreaming...
5866[2017-12-02 03:18:20] <humbot> There were furious arguments between the Diluvialists and the Glacialists over several decades
5867[2017-12-02 03:18:56] <humbot> it was not until 1900 that there was a consensus that the deposits had been laid down by ice and glacial meltwater in this unlikely position.
5868[2017-12-02 03:19:57] <humbot> erasmus, there are no good people
5869[2017-12-02 03:20:21] <erasmus> good and evil are artificial constructs. 
5870[2017-12-02 03:21:27] <erasmus> I need a dremel 
5871[2017-12-02 03:21:32] <erasmus> what do you need humbot?
5872[2017-12-02 03:21:45] <erasmus> besides to take a shower.
5873[2017-12-02 03:22:44] <erasmus> I found a pic of CoinCrazy66 today
5874[2017-12-02 03:22:46] <erasmus> wanna see it?
5875[2017-12-02 03:22:46] <humbot> a kick up the arse
5876[2017-12-02 03:22:55] <erasmus> I know it's him too
5877[2017-12-02 03:22:55] <humbot> no ta
5878[2017-12-02 03:23:00] <erasmus> no?
5879[2017-12-02 03:23:26] <erasmus> you aren't curious?
5880[2017-12-02 03:23:35] <erasmus> here I'll show you anyways https://i.imgur.com/7uehswY.jpg
5881[2017-12-02 03:23:44] <humbot> i'd like to go to Moel Tryfan
5882[2017-12-02 03:23:58] <erasmus> ~google Moel Tryfan
5883[2017-12-02 03:24:00] <rabble_bot> erasmus: Moel Tryfan - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moel_Tryfan>; Moel Tryfan (locomotive) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moel_Tryfan_(locomotive)>; Moel Tryfan - Festipedia: <https://www.festipedia.org.uk/wiki/Moel_Tryfan>; Moel Tryfan , Gwynedd - area information, map, walks and more: (2 more messages)
5884[2017-12-02 03:25:26] <nomic> 1109 bitcoin
5885[2017-12-02 03:38:56] <KiwlJazz> https://shareblue.com/under-trump-american-jobs-sent-overseas-hits-five-year-record-high/#.WiDXFHCnLpk.facebook
5886[2017-12-02 03:38:57] <rabble_bot> ^ Under Trump, American jobs sent overseas hits five-year record high | Shareblue Media
5887[2017-12-02 03:40:50] <nomic>  * QUESTION *  SECRET of 1070110, worth 500 points: j[medical diseases/disorders]tthe acronymi'pdd-nos' standsjfor? 
5888[2017-12-02 03:40:50] <nomic> <utonium>   Answer:  f.........f.............f........f...f.........f......... 
5889[2017-12-02 03:40:52] <nomic> fk that
5890[2017-12-02 03:41:19] <nomic> = pervasivefdevelopmental disorderinot otherwiseispecified! 
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5894[2017-12-02 03:53:48] <humbot> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/bb/ae/6dbbae11781d8926586dd72b62730a10.jpg
5895[2017-12-02 03:55:36] <zapster> https://www.marketwatch.com/video/sectorwatch/tax-bill-hints-at-new-gop-tack-actually-it-ok-to-add-to-deficits/D03F4C48-B523-4E52-AA2E-C59937891A1D.html
5896[2017-12-02 03:55:37] <rabble_bot> ^ Tax bill hints at new GOP tack: Actually it's OK to add to deficits - SectorWatch - MarketWatch
5897[2017-12-02 03:57:08] <erasmus> mornin zapstar
5898[2017-12-02 03:57:12] <rabble_bot> News from nakedcap: Links 12/2/17 <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/links-12217-2.html>
5899[2017-12-02 03:58:42] <erasmus> I'm off garage sale hunting
5900[2017-12-02 03:58:59] <erasmus> enjoy reading about all the benefits the rich will get from this bullshit tax brreak
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5902[2017-12-02 03:59:09] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: John McCain Claimed He Cares About “Honor” in the Senate. His Tax Vote Shows He Lied. <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/02/john-mccain-claimed-he-cares-about-honor-in-the-senate-his-tax-vote-shows-he-lied/>
5903[2017-12-02 03:59:40] <zapster> https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/936868507555323910
5904[2017-12-02 03:59:41] <rabble_bot> ^ Max Blumenthal on Twitter: "Overheated, hotly promoted claims followed by embarrassing but carefully buried corrections are a constant feature of Russiagate reporting.… https://t.co/BdHcbp73bg"
5905[2017-12-02 04:01:25] <zapster> https://twitter.com/sdgrumbine/status/936680680066633728
5906[2017-12-02 04:01:25] <rabble_bot> ^ The Real Progressive on Twitter: "For every single Democrat, Berniecrat, Green & Indie that hasn't paid attention to #MMT & what is the truth about Social Security & Taxes, y… https://t.co/SLObrSTLwf"
5907[2017-12-02 04:10:54] <zapster> https://twitter.com/SilERabbit/status/936799387144953856
5908[2017-12-02 04:10:55] <rabble_bot> ^ Peter Douche's Liaison 🔇 on Twitter: "Thank you @CNN and @MSNBC. It's great that you're barely covering the worst tax bill in US history. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the f… https://t.co/K2t4uAnb8L"
5909[2017-12-02 04:11:08] <zapster> so much for liberal media. dems genuinely don't give a shit. 
5910[2017-12-02 04:13:27] <zapster> https://twitter.com/TheSandersInst/status/936651839231082496
5911[2017-12-02 04:13:28] <rabble_bot> ^ Sanders Institute on Twitter: "Must watch #FoundingFellow @StephanieKelton explain the GOP tax plan, the deficit, and what it means for job growth and the economy. https://t.co/oE8NBQA0VI"
5912[2017-12-02 04:14:23] <zapster> https://twitter.com/dcjohnson/status/936750532433100800
5913[2017-12-02 04:14:24] <rabble_bot> ^ Dave Johnson on Twitter: "Dems arguing against this tax cut because "deficits" are falling into a terrible trap. Because their own words will force cuts in spending o… https://t.co/xUcGYEA5Y0"
5914[2017-12-02 04:16:12] <zapster> cartoon from the 30s: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQAyFLQUIAE-Gm7.jpg:large
5915[2017-12-02 04:17:52] <nomic> cold makes me miserable
5916[2017-12-02 04:18:02] <nomic> cooker fixed .. made stew
5917[2017-12-02 04:18:44] <zapster> oh good
5918[2017-12-02 04:18:48] <nomic> thnks
5919[2017-12-02 04:19:02] <nomic> well its not fixed .. it just started working again
5920[2017-12-02 04:19:04] <nomic> dried out
5921[2017-12-02 04:19:12] <zapster> huh
5922[2017-12-02 04:25:28] <nomic> strange that i get stressed in just getting something to run completely .. I know could do a session to get this all working .. was thinking .. in work .. I wouldn't stop until something was complete .. but this week all i've done is code around it
5923[2017-12-02 04:25:39] <nomic> all is v neat, minimal
5924[2017-12-02 04:26:22] <nomic> no. .. thinking about it .. I went .. i've done about 1/2 the problem .. is just a hump .. psychological. am afraid that when I finalise it .. it wont' work .. am permanently thinking what it looks like, working
5925[2017-12-02 04:26:36] <nomic> its gonna work
5926[2017-12-02 04:26:46] <nomic> editor .. was reawlly finished last week
5927[2017-12-02 04:27:00] <nomic> aint seen that last bug all week .. got a transient bug i can't figure where from
5928[2017-12-02 04:27:08] <nomic> musta filtered it out
5929[2017-12-02 04:27:42] <nomic> v robust, v fast .. v .. it's making me more productive 
5930[2017-12-02 04:28:05] <nomic> keys, command mode
5931[2017-12-02 04:28:30] <nomic> man i wrote this editor in itself .. I was writing it .. and as soon as the frame was there im using it to define itself
5932[2017-12-02 04:29:05] <nomic> needed .. useage .. 1st time in that .. I thought .. im SICK OF gedit asking me "are you sure you wish to exit"
5933[2017-12-02 04:29:20] <zapster> lol
5934[2017-12-02 04:29:26] <zapster> I hear that 
5935[2017-12-02 04:29:29] <nomic> i do alt-f4 its BANG dead .. its not even slow dead .. the sys.quit() in python is way too slow
5936[2017-12-02 04:29:32] <nomic> kill(G_pid)
5937[2017-12-02 04:29:43] <nomic> thats the most ugly thing about windows "ARE YOU SURE" .. all the time
5938[2017-12-02 04:29:52] <nomic> because nobody can be trusted and they can't insure
5939[2017-12-02 04:30:03] — nomic is quite aware of the state of everything when working
5940[2017-12-02 04:30:26] <zapster> https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/another-empty-bombshell-russiagate-story-d046d68fff9f
5941[2017-12-02 04:30:27] <rabble_bot> ^ Another Empty “Bombshell” Russiagate Story – Caitlin Johnstone – Medium
5942[2017-12-02 04:31:29] <zapster> https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/936636574460235777
5943[2017-12-02 04:31:30] <rabble_bot> ^ Yasha Levine on Twitter: "So the country that influenced US policy through Michael Flynn is Israel, not Russia. But Flynn did try to influence Russia, not the other w… https://t.co/RqCUW9nvUA"
5944[2017-12-02 04:37:09] <nomic> https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11618771.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/PAY-Sphinx-Uncovered-From-Under-Californian-Sand-Dunes.jpg   The perfectly intact 300-pound plaster head was unearthed by archaeologists excavating the set of Cecil B. DeMille's 95-year-old movie set for The Ten Commandments.
5945[2017-12-02 04:37:42] <zapster> lol
5946[2017-12-02 04:38:03] <zapster> momentous
5947[2017-12-02 04:38:36] <zapster> my god: https://twitter.com/GottaBernNow/status/936842304433696768
5948[2017-12-02 04:38:37] <rabble_bot> ^ #ProgressiveParty on Twitter: "List of Democrats Who Voted Against Sanders’ Tax Amendment https://t.co/EjV7fZnWxr via @heavysan"
5949[2017-12-02 04:38:41] <zapster> dems are not on our side
5950[2017-12-02 04:45:48] <Geronimo> who is?
5951[2017-12-02 04:50:54] <zapster> nobody but the real left who is shut out of the media and many elections
5952[2017-12-02 04:53:34] * william → idlenick
5953[2017-12-02 04:53:51] * idlenick → g2`
5954[2017-12-02 04:54:54] * ChanServ set -v realpol
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5956[2017-12-02 04:55:19] * ChanServ set +v realpol
5957[2017-12-02 04:55:54] <zapster>     Nevertheless, as I explained in connection with George Papadopoulos (who also pled guilty in Mueller’s investigation for lying to the FBI), when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admit
5958[2017-12-02 04:55:54] <zapster> s what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation.
5959[2017-12-02 04:56:00] <zapster>     That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime.
5960[2017-12-02 04:56:04] <zapster> so it seems mueller has nothing
5961[2017-12-02 04:56:11] <zapster> again
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5966[2017-12-02 05:01:46] <zapster> so it seems flynn lied because doing what the trump admin told him to do might run afoul of something called the logan act--which hasn't been used since the 1800s? 
5967[2017-12-02 05:03:06] <zapster> and that was to ask the russians not to overreact to sanctions. 
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5969[2017-12-02 05:04:23] <zapster> https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/936653639191588866
5970[2017-12-02 05:04:24] <rabble_bot> ^ Aaron Maté on Twitter: "I’m amazed (but I shouldn’t be) at how many people are going wild over Trump telling Flynn to contact Russians without mentioning what the c… https://t.co/lidq39VkmV"
5971[2017-12-02 05:04:31] — zapster is right again...
5972[2017-12-02 05:07:13] <Elegrant> https://youtu.be/khmqDEz6TRk
5973[2017-12-02 05:07:14] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Unique II - Break My Stride :: Duration: 03:11
5974[2017-12-02 05:11:41] <zapster> https://twitter.com/RT_America/status/936939417998118912
5975[2017-12-02 05:11:42] <rabble_bot> ^ RT America on Twitter: "Homeless man saves 2 children from apartment fire in Las Vegas https://t.co/DTX3rff4Dl https://t.co/KR1Op5p0v3"
5976[2017-12-02 05:16:15] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Mike's Blog Round Up <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/mikes-blog-round-0>
5977[2017-12-02 05:17:15] <zapster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB0bkytOdNQ
5978[2017-12-02 05:17:16] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Neoliberalism: Fantasy Economics (Full version) :: Duration: 06:31
5979[2017-12-02 05:19:16] <zapster> video of mario draghi admitting that a federal government cannot run out of money
5980[2017-12-02 05:20:16] <kish``> im in the hood. some dealer threatened to shoot me
5981[2017-12-02 05:20:19] <kish``> he strted beating me
5982[2017-12-02 05:20:23] <kish``> told my gf i was a dead man
5983[2017-12-02 05:20:25] <zapster> jeezus
5984[2017-12-02 05:20:27] <nomic> o no kish`` 
5985[2017-12-02 05:20:32] <kish``> so i am a dead man
5986[2017-12-02 05:20:34] <kish``> :(
5987[2017-12-02 05:20:52] <nomic> just ignore .. stay away
5988[2017-12-02 05:20:57] <nomic> is all braggadacio
5989[2017-12-02 05:21:04] <kish``> last time i found him in our elevator
5990[2017-12-02 05:21:06] <nomic> but stay away
5991[2017-12-02 05:21:07] <kish``> in OUR building
5992[2017-12-02 05:21:14] <nomic> hm
5993[2017-12-02 05:21:17] <kish``> what the fuck was he doing there
5994[2017-12-02 05:21:26] <nomic> dealing
5995[2017-12-02 05:21:28] <kish``> then the girl who wants ecstasy is like, yeah we want to buy from you
5996[2017-12-02 05:21:34] <zapster> get a restraining order?
5997[2017-12-02 05:21:38] <kish``> but the man cannot make u his mind about price
5998[2017-12-02 05:21:41] <zapster> oh
5999[2017-12-02 05:21:44] <kish``> zapster, that would make me a snitch
6000[2017-12-02 05:21:45] <kish``> lol
6001[2017-12-02 05:21:53] <kish``> i need to move away from here
6002[2017-12-02 05:22:06] <zapster> if he's threatening you, some snitching appears to be in order
6003[2017-12-02 05:26:44] <zapster> https://twitter.com/schwarz/status/936949020194418689
6004[2017-12-02 05:26:45] <rabble_bot> ^ Jon Schwarz on Twitter: "While the Democrats have lost in the short term, they are wisely focused on the tax bill's impact on the national debt so they can also lose… https://t.co/BDyr1Gdjx8"
6005[2017-12-02 05:26:54] <zapster> ..in the long term 
6006[2017-12-02 05:29:15] <nomic> editor is like 'code browser' .. so even if im not working i still can look @ things v easily, bring them up .. it has 'pan mode' & edit mode .. you do e * <- wilcard  say e*allwithpageinname* or ge pattern <- ge = "grep" .. will use grep on files and edit all containing 'pattern' .. then you are in pan mode < - > browses thru them .. it remembers the cursor position within each file, so if you were working on 
6007[2017-12-02 05:29:15] <nomic> something it goes rite back to the edit posn. .. click on the thing to edit .. escape puts you back into pan mode
6008[2017-12-02 05:30:04] <nomic> wanted what list.com had .. list.com was just a panning viewer .. was NEEDED ... in work .. that was shareware .. & the whole city appeared to be using it .. nobody will have paid
6009[2017-12-02 05:30:13] <nomic> vernon d buerg (list.com)
6010[2017-12-02 05:30:20] <zapster> wow, that's sweet
6011[2017-12-02 05:30:39] <nomic> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/FW7emkKjisA  Vernon D. Buerg, creator of LIST, is dead
6012[2017-12-02 05:30:40] <nomic> 2010
6013[2017-12-02 05:30:47] <rabble_bot> ^ Google Groups
6014[2017-12-02 05:30:49] <nomic> was touted as "the utility windows never had"
6015[2017-12-02 05:31:00] <zapster> yeah. I never heard of it 
6016[2017-12-02 05:31:37] <nomic> i once used list.com to fix the central file for merchang bank .. a 300mb file ..
6017[2017-12-02 05:31:48] <nomic> i didn't have to use it .. but I did , to see if it would do it
6018[2017-12-02 05:31:58] <nomic> v well written .. had the 'robust'
6019[2017-12-02 05:31:59] <nomic> fast
6020[2017-12-02 05:32:02] <nomic> windows is shit
6021[2017-12-02 05:32:11] <zapster> that it is
6022[2017-12-02 05:33:44] <nomic> theres this myth perpetuated that python is slow
6023[2017-12-02 05:33:47] <nomic> sure it is slower than c
6024[2017-12-02 05:33:53] <nomic> sure it is slower than java
6025[2017-12-02 05:34:04] <nomic> but you have any idea (people do not) .. how fast fast is (now)
6026[2017-12-02 05:34:32] <nomic> as was stated about something in ... in python 'preternaturally fast'
6027[2017-12-02 05:34:35] <nomic> its fast enough
6028[2017-12-02 05:34:44] <nomic> and if its slow?  you have not used it well
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6030[2017-12-02 05:35:21] <nomic> python is the fastest prototyping environment I have ever had
6031[2017-12-02 05:35:39] <nomic> i feel regret all the time about my degree .. and think back to prolgo
6032[2017-12-02 05:35:44] <nomic> prolog and how much I liked it
6033[2017-12-02 05:35:53] <nomic> and being in a sealed environment, not having to deal with all the shit
6034[2017-12-02 05:36:23] <nomic> all the time -- down the line, down the years -- stress was because of platforms. .. was thinking if i had stayed I would have been sheltered, with an ops department to do things
6035[2017-12-02 05:36:25] <nomic> with facilities
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6038[2017-12-02 05:36:38] <nomic> all this time .. even years back when things were shit .. I was trying to code
6039[2017-12-02 05:36:48] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTUo-Z86Z3U
6040[2017-12-02 05:36:48] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Bernie Shows US Doctors Canada's Single Payer Healthcare System :: Duration: 06:59
6041[2017-12-02 05:36:57] <nomic> was the only thing I wanted to do .. ever .. but people stole it from me
6042[2017-12-02 05:37:03] <nomic> including that piece of shit (brother in law)
6043[2017-12-02 05:37:28] <nomic> confirmed it for me .. that the very next "position" after that lab system .. was an abusive nhs manager .. who "wanted in", despised me
6044[2017-12-02 05:37:33] <nomic> was continually used
6045[2017-12-02 05:37:43] <nomic> i am a FUCKING PROFESSIONAL .. i was highly respected
6046[2017-12-02 05:37:55] <nomic> software I provided anabled companies to perpetuate, be formed
6047[2017-12-02 05:38:04] <nomic> i did MAJOR STUFF .. i wasn't a FUCKING WINDOWS PROGRAMMER
6048[2017-12-02 05:38:07] <nomic> i despise such types
6049[2017-12-02 05:38:16] <nomic> i am a SYSTEMS DESIGNER/SYSTEMS PROGRAMMER
6050[2017-12-02 05:38:19] <nomic> bastards
6051[2017-12-02 05:38:29] <nomic> corporate
6052[2017-12-02 05:38:39] <nomic> people like  me -- here I am spat on
6053[2017-12-02 05:38:43] <nomic> they cast me out
6054[2017-12-02 05:38:47] <nomic> nothing
6055[2017-12-02 05:39:22] <nomic> for people like that piece of shit (brother in law) to sneer & say "thats easy that" , "anyone can do that" .. becaus eI explained every step of the way, how things are done .. I TRAINED HIM UP ... 
6056[2017-12-02 05:39:54] <nomic> when they have no idea of the FUCKING STAMINA required, to address systems, situations -- and also the mental capacity
6057[2017-12-02 05:40:10] <nomic> that was the same with that other piece of fking garbage .. the nhs manager who "wanted in" .. stobhill, glasgow
6058[2017-12-02 05:40:21] <nomic> he was showing me his crappy little programs -- like I wanted to know
6059[2017-12-02 05:41:09] <nomic> biggest mistake of my life, agreeing to do that f@*cking lab system .. I CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER ACCEPTING .. the time ... I cannot remember .. all I was thinking was to get up there & get on with it ..
6060[2017-12-02 05:41:16] <nomic> because he knew
6061[2017-12-02 05:41:28] <nomic> nobody gave me the opportunity to do anything
6062[2017-12-02 05:41:46] <nomic> 70,000 lines of source code it turned into
6063[2017-12-02 05:41:53] <nomic> it was a fully commercial system, for the market
6064[2017-12-02 05:41:55] <nomic> i was offered a deal
6065[2017-12-02 05:42:06] <nomic> by a major co. healthcare
6066[2017-12-02 05:42:13] — nomic walked away .. was just too
6067[2017-12-02 05:42:15] <nomic> burnt out
6068[2017-12-02 05:42:26] <nomic> my hair hadf fallen out -- i'd receded in the months doing it
6069[2017-12-02 05:42:37] <nomic> i became stressed & I never lost it
6070[2017-12-02 05:42:51] <nomic> then I went to that situation in glasgow, stob hill with that abusive manager
6071[2017-12-02 05:42:55] <nomic> another NHS situation
6072[2017-12-02 05:42:59] <nomic> and got beaten up, badly
6073[2017-12-02 05:43:03] <nomic> then he stuck the boot in, that manager
6074[2017-12-02 05:43:17] <nomic> did the worst thing anyone has ever done to me -- just to get a "rise"
6075[2017-12-02 05:43:27] <nomic> was fked .. car was car i hated .. falling aapart
6076[2017-12-02 05:43:36] <nomic> i got ditched by a girlfriend .. heartbroken I was
6077[2017-12-02 05:43:42] <nomic> and beaten up
6078[2017-12-02 05:43:43] <nomic> badly
6079[2017-12-02 05:43:53] <nomic> and that f*cking manager did the worst thing anyone has done to me
6080[2017-12-02 05:44:20] <nomic> have been thru it before, analysing .. the nhs .. the people in it, those large environments
6081[2017-12-02 05:44:21] <nomic> departments
6082[2017-12-02 05:44:31] <nomic> hell I was supportinga  fucking .. the whole of fking glasgow
6083[2017-12-02 05:44:46] <nomic> that fking system was in .. the one I'd designed .. the modularity .. that had been stolen from me
6084[2017-12-02 05:45:14] <nomic> saw situations of cruelty .. one instance was a dept.  will have been secretary .. musta taken a week to set something up, to embarass somebody
6085[2017-12-02 05:45:17] <nomic> a member of the public
6086[2017-12-02 05:45:23] <nomic> tiny little minds -- haters
6087[2017-12-02 05:45:25] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: 20 Intercept Stories From 2017 That Show the Kind of Year It’s Been <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/01/20-intercept-stories-from-2017-that-show-the-kind-of-year-its-been/>
6088[2017-12-02 05:45:28] <nomic> like my f*cking brother in law
6089[2017-12-02 05:45:47] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IUTojgrDe8
6090[2017-12-02 05:45:47] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - GOP has Become Fear and Hate President Eisenhower Warned Of :: Duration: 11:38
6091[2017-12-02 05:46:12] <nomic> that manager he "escorted me to the door"
6092[2017-12-02 05:46:15] <nomic> off the presmises
6093[2017-12-02 05:46:19] <nomic> i HADN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG
6094[2017-12-02 05:46:22] <nomic> it was a power thing
6095[2017-12-02 05:46:24] <nomic> bastard
6096[2017-12-02 05:46:26] <nomic> it was EVIL
6097[2017-12-02 05:46:30] <nomic> why?
6098[2017-12-02 05:46:35] <nomic> his tiny little fucking mind
6099[2017-12-02 05:46:40] <nomic> i did all i could for them
6100[2017-12-02 05:46:52] <nomic> i volunteered to document it .. I documented it as far as I could, over weeks
6101[2017-12-02 05:47:12] <nomic> and when i presented the sheaf to the hospital manager .. was directed there.. no idea .. never introductions anywhere
6102[2017-12-02 05:47:19] <nomic> she didn't say one word she didn't even speak
6103[2017-12-02 05:47:21] <nomic> she just took it
6104[2017-12-02 05:47:25] <nomic> don't waste your time
6105[2017-12-02 05:47:34] <nomic> that low iq idiot (that manager) .. he got on
6106[2017-12-02 05:47:39] <nomic> what's the poiint?
6107[2017-12-02 05:47:42] <nomic> and .. 
6108[2017-12-02 05:47:45] <nomic> CSC took over my contract
6109[2017-12-02 05:47:56] <nomic> and took over the 'facilities management'
6110[2017-12-02 05:48:00] <nomic> of this fucking region
6111[2017-12-02 05:48:02] <nomic> incl. glasgow
6112[2017-12-02 05:48:07] <nomic> NO COMMUNICATION
6113[2017-12-02 05:48:12] <nomic> i workedf for CSC .. i saw nobody
6114[2017-12-02 05:48:22] <nomic> i didn't even get a letter heading 'welcome to CSC' .. nothing
6115[2017-12-02 05:48:36] <nomic> and they didn nothing .. they pulled out some time later, nothing achieved, nothing
6116[2017-12-02 05:48:49] <nomic> subsequently .. CSC
6117[2017-12-02 05:48:56] <nomic> cameron said "we won 't deal with them again"
6118[2017-12-02 05:48:58] <nomic> sure they did/do
6119[2017-12-02 05:49:17] <nomic> #so what then
6120[2017-12-02 05:49:21] <nomic> i was in oz .. and just a mess
6121[2017-12-02 05:49:28] <nomic> and i have no idea where I ended up after that
6122[2017-12-02 05:49:35] <nomic> woulda been contract
6123[2017-12-02 05:49:54] <nomic> yeah a commodities dealer, london bridge
6124[2017-12-02 05:50:05] <nomic> dysfunctional situation for me
6125[2017-12-02 05:50:15] <nomic> wasn't working .. all the time -- I lacked confidence
6126[2017-12-02 05:50:22] <nomic> then a merchant bank
6127[2017-12-02 05:50:31] <nomic> rate much higher
6128[2017-12-02 05:50:41] <nomic> then a commercial bank in sydney
6129[2017-12-02 05:51:02] <nomic> abusive english boss, abusive managers .. the 2nd & 3rd worst thing anyone has done to me , them
6130[2017-12-02 05:51:11] <nomic> creative setup, unpleasantness
6131[2017-12-02 05:51:29] <nomic> i was f*cking loaded
6132[2017-12-02 05:51:37] <nomic> $75 an hour in sydney
6133[2017-12-02 05:51:55] <nomic> still had money in the uk
6134[2017-12-02 05:52:09] <nomic> zero confidence, did nothing with iht
6135[2017-12-02 05:52:15] <nomic> just a f*ckup
6136[2017-12-02 05:52:18] <nomic> but i was surfing
6137[2017-12-02 05:52:52] <nomic> and all the time .. "to do a system" .. then .. I was just .. wanting to do something .. I remember talking to the 2nd boss .. 2nd place after bank .. northern beaches
6138[2017-12-02 05:53:03] <nomic> dysfunctional fking place/situation
6139[2017-12-02 05:53:03] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqn5pxAvdr4
6140[2017-12-02 05:53:04] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Trump & Republicans Plan to Rig 2020 Election :: Duration: 08:53
6141[2017-12-02 05:53:05] <Nelluk> did you live in sydney?
6142[2017-12-02 05:53:07] <nomic> yeah
6143[2017-12-02 05:53:15] <nomic> harbord .. had a flat overlooking pacific
6144[2017-12-02 05:53:21] <nomic> 1967 beetle
6145[2017-12-02 05:53:28] <nomic> the herbie car
6146[2017-12-02 05:53:34] <nomic> was original .. all of it
6147[2017-12-02 05:53:52] <nomic> white sands .. there was a spiral staircase down to the beach
6148[2017-12-02 05:53:58] <nomic> was f*cking beatiful
6149[2017-12-02 05:54:18] <nomic> all the storms
6150[2017-12-02 05:54:21] <nomic> storm surf
6151[2017-12-02 05:54:24] <nomic> used to surf every day
6152[2017-12-02 05:54:32] <nomic> and get fking waves 
6153[2017-12-02 05:54:42] <nomic> @ the end I had 4 surfboards
6154[2017-12-02 05:54:50] <nomic> 1 was $600 worth
6155[2017-12-02 05:54:54] <nomic> an aloha
6156[2017-12-02 05:54:58] <nomic> had a semi gun
6157[2017-12-02 05:55:02] <nomic> a rusty
6158[2017-12-02 05:55:11] <nomic> and a 6'1" board 
6159[2017-12-02 05:55:22] <kish``> my gf is leaving!
6160[2017-12-02 05:55:25] <nomic> the aloha was 6'4"
6161[2017-12-02 05:55:27] <kish``> she says she never loved me
6162[2017-12-02 05:55:28] <nomic> o no
6163[2017-12-02 05:55:32] <kish``> oh well
6164[2017-12-02 05:55:39] <kish``> she will return to her junkie life
6165[2017-12-02 05:55:42] <nomic> plenty of fish in the sea kish
6166[2017-12-02 05:55:45] <nomic> also that
6167[2017-12-02 05:56:02] <kish``> no, she made it clear. no girl would want to be with me
6168[2017-12-02 05:56:12] <zapster> bullshit
6169[2017-12-02 05:56:15] <nomic> just get another one kish
6170[2017-12-02 05:56:16] <zapster> that's abuse
6171[2017-12-02 05:56:47] <kish``> now she says she is in love with me
6172[2017-12-02 05:56:52] <kish``> she's crazy or something
6173[2017-12-02 05:56:56] <kish``> i can't stand it
6174[2017-12-02 05:57:09] <kish``> it is her fault i got beaten by that gang banger dealer
6175[2017-12-02 05:57:15] <Geronimo> told you before, tell you now... leave her
6176[2017-12-02 05:57:15] <kish``> he would have sold piss ecstasy
6177[2017-12-02 05:57:29] <nomic> drugs, the environment = all bad
6178[2017-12-02 05:58:21] <mouses> kish``: that sounds just like a bad situation all around :(
6179[2017-12-02 05:59:32] <zapster> we  told you this woud happen. and we're telling you now that she's full of shit. 
6180[2017-12-02 06:00:06] <nomic> rite this has cooked enough brb
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6183[2017-12-02 06:11:55] <nomic> editor has 4 modes
6184[2017-12-02 06:12:22] <nomic> ill be ok .. fking got pissed lst nite didnt i
6185[2017-12-02 06:12:26] <nomic> threw up
6186[2017-12-02 06:12:33] <HomieX> STFU nomic 
6187[2017-12-02 06:12:37] <nomic> k
6188[2017-12-02 06:13:01] <nomic> has finally worn out somebodies patience .. homiex lowest threshold in room
6189[2017-12-02 06:13:08] <humbot> heheh
6190[2017-12-02 06:13:33] — HomieX wants to move to Deutschland 
6191[2017-12-02 06:13:38] <nomic> gotta get healthy im like hypertensive .. is like neck .. etc
6192[2017-12-02 06:13:48] <HomieX> You got an extra room, humbot?
6193[2017-12-02 06:13:58] <humbot> je ne suis pas alleman
6194[2017-12-02 06:14:11] <nomic> humbot speaks french?
6195[2017-12-02 06:14:39] <humbot> barely
6196[2017-12-02 06:15:05] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pkf3EZVdhE
6197[2017-12-02 06:15:06] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Senator Elizabeth Warren's Floor Speech on the Republican Tax Bill :: Duration: 07:42
6198[2017-12-02 06:15:21] <mouses> oh yeah they passed another tax cut on the rich right?
6199[2017-12-02 06:15:23] — mouses sighs
6200[2017-12-02 06:16:28] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: AirBnB And Russia: Corporate Crime Built Into The Business Model <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/corporate-crime-built-business-model>
6201[2017-12-02 06:17:09] <HomieX> If the Middle class is doing so good right now why are all these insurance companies pushing insurance to cover when your appliances break down? when your car needs repairs? 
6202[2017-12-02 06:17:18] <zapster> more russia bs
6203[2017-12-02 06:17:29] <HomieX> Used to be when it broke down you got it fixed 
6204[2017-12-02 06:17:33] <zapster> yeah
6205[2017-12-02 06:17:40] <zapster> because they're running out of excuses
6206[2017-12-02 06:17:43] <HomieX> and you paid for it and had money left over to pay the bills and eat 
6207[2017-12-02 06:18:12] <zapster> https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/another-empty-bombshell-russiagate-story-d046d68fff9f
6208[2017-12-02 06:18:13] <rabble_bot> ^ Another Empty “Bombshell” Russiagate Story – Caitlin Johnstone – Medium
6209[2017-12-02 06:18:35] <zapster> so it turns out flynn was trying to *influence* the russians on behalf of *israel* 
6210[2017-12-02 06:18:38] <zapster> ROFLMAO
6211[2017-12-02 06:18:52] <zapster> so much for collusion
6212[2017-12-02 06:18:57] <nomic> is trump gonna get impeached now?
6213[2017-12-02 06:19:03] <zapster> nah
6214[2017-12-02 06:19:10] <mouses> I doubt we'll have any idea of what the fuck is going on in regards to that for another year, as more and more of trump's inner circle goes down
6215[2017-12-02 06:19:19] <mouses> mueller is not fucking about
6216[2017-12-02 06:19:30] <zapster> they really did nothing wrong there. trump wanted to set up a deal with russia to fight ISIS more effectively 
6217[2017-12-02 06:19:43] <mouses> zapster: do you have secret information that no one else has?
6218[2017-12-02 06:19:48] <mouses> zapster: it's a ongoing case
6219[2017-12-02 06:19:49] <humbot> HAHAHAHA
6220[2017-12-02 06:19:54] <zapster> originally. for an incoming prez and national security advisor, they were entirely within their rights to do so
6221[2017-12-02 06:20:10] <mouses> zapster: yet one of them just pled guilty to a felony charge
6222[2017-12-02 06:20:17] <zapster> yeah, they'll string it along for the next 7 years to keep us distracted
6223[2017-12-02 06:20:20] <mouses> so legally speaking, no, he was not within his rights :)
6224[2017-12-02 06:20:29] <mouses> zapster: nah, won't take that long
6225[2017-12-02 06:20:30] <zapster> but there was no crime
6226[2017-12-02 06:20:34] <zapster> no crime at all 
6227[2017-12-02 06:20:40] <mouses> zapster: a judge disagrees with you
6228[2017-12-02 06:20:49] <mouses> and they kinda usually like go to school for law and stuff
6229[2017-12-02 06:21:00] <mouses> so i'm gonna have to believe that judge over zapster from Freenode :3
6230[2017-12-02 06:21:12] <zapster> yeah it will, because they need it to drum up support for killing net neutrality and distract us from what congress is pulling on is
6231[2017-12-02 06:21:16] <zapster> *us
6232[2017-12-02 06:21:21] <zapster> it's working very well, too
6233[2017-12-02 06:21:29] <mouses> yeah that shit always has
6234[2017-12-02 06:21:38] <mouses> they can do many things at once though
6235[2017-12-02 06:21:47] <zapster> that's all it is. there's still zero evidence of any hacking, collusion or election fraud
6236[2017-12-02 06:21:49] <zapster> none at all.
6237[2017-12-02 06:21:55] <zapster> they should have plenty by now
6238[2017-12-02 06:21:58] <mouses> fuck over the internet, cut taxes for the rich, lie, cheat, steal, collude
6239[2017-12-02 06:22:12] <mouses> zapster: you don't understand how a open invesgation works I fear
6240[2017-12-02 06:22:15] <zapster> the fact that there is nothing tells me that this is nothing but theater, including this so-called guilty plea
6241[2017-12-02 06:22:24] <humbot> set up a deal with russia to fight ISIS more effectively
6242[2017-12-02 06:22:25] <mouses> for all we know, mueller is sitting on evidence that takes this all the way to trump
6243[2017-12-02 06:22:33] <zapster> yes I do. I've only watched iran-contra and watergate in real time
6244[2017-12-02 06:22:37] <mouses> this is how it works
6245[2017-12-02 06:22:42] <zapster> where they actually *did* have evidence
6246[2017-12-02 06:22:46] <zapster> no it isn't
6247[2017-12-02 06:22:48] <mouses> same re: iran-contra but not watergate
6248[2017-12-02 06:23:00] <mouses> zapster: those scandles happened way before you ever heard about them
6249[2017-12-02 06:23:11] <mouses> zapster: and tricky dick held up quite some time, don't you remember?
6250[2017-12-02 06:23:13] <zapster> Then there’s this interesting analysis published in the National Review by former Assistant US Attorney Andrew C McCarthy, who has extensive experience in prosecuting criminal conspiracy.
6251[2017-12-02 06:23:16] <mouses> he proclaimed 'fake news'
6252[2017-12-02 06:23:25] <mouses> and got into fights with the media and lawyers and all that
6253[2017-12-02 06:23:26] <zapster>     Nevertheless, as I explained in connection with George Papadopoulos (who also pled guilty in Mueller’s investigation for lying to the FBI), when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admit
6254[2017-12-02 06:23:27] <zapster> s what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation.
6255[2017-12-02 06:23:27] <zapster>     That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime.
6256[2017-12-02 06:23:31] <mouses> and finally declared victory and quit :)
6257[2017-12-02 06:23:34] <mouses> don't copy pasta me
6258[2017-12-02 06:23:40] <humbot> is pled really a word ?
6259[2017-12-02 06:23:42] <zapster> read it
6260[2017-12-02 06:23:45] <zapster> yes
6261[2017-12-02 06:23:47] <mouses> use your words or give credit to OP plz
6262[2017-12-02 06:24:00] <zapster> I did. and if you read it you would see it. 
6263[2017-12-02 06:24:06] <mouses> k
6264[2017-12-02 06:24:08] <mouses> reading
6265[2017-12-02 06:24:10] <zapster> don't you remember?
6266[2017-12-02 06:24:10] <zapster> <zapster> Then there’s this interesting analysis published in the National Review by former Assistant US Attorney Andrew C McCarthy, who has extensive experience in prosecuting criminal conspiracy.
6267[2017-12-02 06:24:18] <zapster> so don't criticize until you read it
6268[2017-12-02 06:24:31] — mouses nods
6269[2017-12-02 06:24:41] <HomieX> So did this bill pass ? so it's just waiting on Trump to sign it?
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6272[2017-12-02 06:24:46] <HomieX> Tax bill
6273[2017-12-02 06:24:54] <zapster> they have no case to prove or they wouldn't be doing that
6274[2017-12-02 06:25:10] <HomieX> Man, congess sure moves fast when it comes to giving more money to the wealthy 
6275[2017-12-02 06:25:11] <zapster> and so far, there's been zero proof on *any* accusation
6276[2017-12-02 06:25:39] <zapster> you know mcconnell didn't let any of them read it until they voted on it? 
6277[2017-12-02 06:25:42] <mouses> again, you won't know it until it happens
6278[2017-12-02 06:25:46] — HomieX thinks it may be time to move to Canada 
6279[2017-12-02 06:25:47] <mouses> mueller knows things you do not know
6280[2017-12-02 06:26:02] <Nelluk> no homie it is not waiting for Trump's signature
6281[2017-12-02 06:26:08] <zapster> http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454269/michael-flynn-plea-no-breakthrough-russia-investigation
6282[2017-12-02 06:26:09] <rabble_bot> ^ Michael Flynn Guilty Plea & Mainstream Media | National Review
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6285[2017-12-02 06:26:20] <zeroto100> I will not troll the trolls
6286[2017-12-02 06:26:23] <mouses> zapster: see, that's a bit of spin
6287[2017-12-02 06:26:30] <zeroto100> I will not troll the trolls
6288[2017-12-02 06:26:53] <humbot> :D
6289[2017-12-02 06:26:55] <mouses> zapster: in that very plea deal Flynn states that 'senior members of the trump campaign' were encouaged to collude :)
6290[2017-12-02 06:26:56] <zapster> and it appears that the only reason he lied is because of the logan act
6291[2017-12-02 06:27:09] <mouses> zapster: You're skipping that part, as it does not fit your narriative.
6292[2017-12-02 06:27:09] <zapster> but there is no evidence of that 
6293[2017-12-02 06:27:14] <zapster> not even encouragement
6294[2017-12-02 06:27:16] <zapster> read it 
6295[2017-12-02 06:27:21] <mouses> lol zapster he just admitted to it
6296[2017-12-02 06:27:26] <mouses> that was 'part of the plea deal'
6297[2017-12-02 06:27:34] <mouses> that's how you get away with being charged with a lesser crime
6298[2017-12-02 06:27:36] <mouses> you roll over on people
6299[2017-12-02 06:27:38] <zapster> Mueller has charged Flynn with falsely telling FBI agents that he did not ask the ambassador “to refrain from escalating the situation” in response to the sanctions.
6300[2017-12-02 06:27:38] <zapster> Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454269/michael-flynn-plea-no-breakthrough-russia-investigation
6301[2017-12-02 06:27:39] <rabble_bot> ^ Michael Flynn Guilty Plea & Mainstream Media | National Review
6302[2017-12-02 06:27:49] <Reader> mouses, don't try
6303[2017-12-02 06:27:51] <zapster> where is the collusion? he was trying to protect the US 
6304[2017-12-02 06:27:52] <Reader> she is incapable of arguing
6305[2017-12-02 06:27:57] <Reader> only know copy pasting
6306[2017-12-02 06:28:00] <zapster> where is the collusion? 
6307[2017-12-02 06:28:27] <mouses> zapster: again, 'ongoing invesgetation' - this is literally how the law works
6308[2017-12-02 06:28:30] <mouses> Reader: thanks :(
6309[2017-12-02 06:28:39] <zapster> and then kislyak called him back to say he was *complying* with the request. what collusion? 
6310[2017-12-02 06:28:47] <zapster> what fucking collusion.
6311[2017-12-02 06:28:50] <mouses> ack, time for coffee!
6312[2017-12-02 06:28:53] <Nelluk> in zapsters world if there isnt proof within 4 months then the thing didnt happen and we have to stop looking
6313[2017-12-02 06:28:54] <mouses> back in a bit
6314[2017-12-02 06:28:58] <zapster> stop criticizing me and address the information given
6315[2017-12-02 06:28:58] <humbot> mouses: don't try listening to Reader !
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6321[2017-12-02 06:29:24] <Nelluk> uh oh, melt down time again
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6323[2017-12-02 06:29:39] <zapster> I'm done with this ad hom shit
6324[2017-12-02 06:29:40] <zapster> go away
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6331[2017-12-02 06:29:59] <Nelluk> that isnt an ad hom
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6334[2017-12-02 06:30:01] <Reader> you avoid god.. I get it but avoiding me is just utter nonsense
6335[2017-12-02 06:30:18] <Nelluk> its a critique of how you think that since there is no proof yet that we should all just drop it
6336[2017-12-02 06:30:21] <zapster> and it's been much longer than 4 months
6337[2017-12-02 06:30:30] <Nelluk> yeah but you've been saying this for months now
6338[2017-12-02 06:30:47] <zapster> I never said that. but the lack of skepticism in the face of no evidence of any crime is breathtaking 
6339[2017-12-02 06:30:52] <mouses> Nelluk: and now we have multiple people making plea bargins as mueller works his case
6340[2017-12-02 06:30:55] <mouses> this is how it works
6341[2017-12-02 06:31:05] <zapster> plea bargains for *what* 
6342[2017-12-02 06:31:07] <Nelluk> im skeptical. i have no idea if there was collusion. there may very well not have been any. but the investigation is certainly worth doing.
6343[2017-12-02 06:31:15] <mouses> zapster: read what they all have pled guilty to
6344[2017-12-02 06:31:15] <zapster> there's no collusion even *mentioned* in the charge
6345[2017-12-02 06:31:19] <zapster> none at all 
6346[2017-12-02 06:31:22] <zapster> I have read the charge
6347[2017-12-02 06:31:24] <mouses> zapster: except there was
6348[2017-12-02 06:31:26] <zapster> the original
6349[2017-12-02 06:31:34] <mouses> you're ignoring that part as it does not suit your narriative
6350[2017-12-02 06:31:35] <zapster> and there is no collusion even mentioned
6351[2017-12-02 06:31:38] <zapster> no there isn't
6352[2017-12-02 06:31:41] <zapster> not in either of them
6353[2017-12-02 06:31:45] <zapster> none at all 
6354[2017-12-02 06:31:50] <zapster> go read them
6355[2017-12-02 06:32:11] <zapster> in fact, flynns is evidence *against* collusion
6356[2017-12-02 06:32:15] — mouses sighs
6357[2017-12-02 06:32:19] <zapster> read it
6358[2017-12-02 06:32:31] <zeroto100> Ya she obsessed on this
6359[2017-12-02 06:32:32] <zapster> he was influencing *them* not vice versa. and succeeded
6360[2017-12-02 06:32:37] <zapster> which was *beneficial* to the US 
6361[2017-12-02 06:32:38] <zeroto100> Go Russia
6362[2017-12-02 06:32:44] <Nelluk> Why does there have to be collusion mentioned? Because that guy you pasted said so? The invesitgation is proceeding totally logically. get the mid level guys on a minor crime so they'll cooperate and testify and expand the circle of inquiry. there is no sign that this investigation is winding down or going to stop with just Flynn and Manafort.
6363[2017-12-02 06:32:46] <mouses> I have.  You're ignoring the part where Flynn confirms that senior members of the campaign were encouraged to break the law :)
6364[2017-12-02 06:32:48] <zapster> he did what was best for the US 
6365[2017-12-02 06:32:57] <mouses> hey zapster just a heads up
6366[2017-12-02 06:33:03] <zapster> because that's what this whole investigation is supposed to find, isn't it? 
6367[2017-12-02 06:33:05] <mouses> you do know there is not a crime called 'collusion' right?
6368[2017-12-02 06:33:11] <zapster> they're punishing the guy for doing what was right. 
6369[2017-12-02 06:33:14] <Nelluk> lol
6370[2017-12-02 06:33:15] <zapster> you guys agree with that?
6371[2017-12-02 06:33:38] <mouses> There is no crime called ‘collusion,’ but the evidence of collusion could be seen as a conspiracy to violate a specific provision of the federal code
6372[2017-12-02 06:33:42] <zapster> Mueller has charged Flynn with falsely telling FBI agents that he did not ask the ambassador “to refrain from escalating the situation” in response to the sanctions. In being questioned by the agents on January 24, 2017, Flynn also lied when he claimed he could not recall a subsequent conversation with Kislyak, in which the ambassador told Flynn that the Putin regime had “chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions
6373[2017-12-02 06:33:42] <zapster>  as a result of [Flynn’s] request.”
6374[2017-12-02 06:33:46] <mouses> there is no crime called 'collusion'
6375[2017-12-02 06:33:48] <Nelluk> yes Flynn is just an innocent patsy.. poor guy. just an honest public servant 
6376[2017-12-02 06:33:51] <zapster> he asked them not to overreact, and they agreed
6377[2017-12-02 06:33:52] <mouses> omg stop copy pasting at me zapster 
6378[2017-12-02 06:33:57] <zapster> that was in the US' favor
6379[2017-12-02 06:33:58] <mouses> it makes it really hard to have a conversation
6380[2017-12-02 06:34:01] <zapster> no.
6381[2017-12-02 06:34:03] <mouses> just link a source if you want
6382[2017-12-02 06:34:07] <zapster> I assume you can read.
6383[2017-12-02 06:34:10] <zapster> no, you won't read it.
6384[2017-12-02 06:34:25] <mouses> I read everything in channel, but if you are going to take someone else's words
6385[2017-12-02 06:34:27] <zapster> the fact is, no crime was committed. 
6386[2017-12-02 06:34:28] <mouses> you need to give that someone credit
6387[2017-12-02 06:34:37] <mouses> and allow others to view it in original context
6388[2017-12-02 06:34:45] <mouses> it's also really rude on IRC spam copy pasta at people in general
6389[2017-12-02 06:34:46] <zapster> I have already linked this article more than once. have you read it yet? 
6390[2017-12-02 06:34:49] <zapster> of course not.
6391[2017-12-02 06:35:05] <mouses> Yes, I looked at said opinion piece.
6392[2017-12-02 06:35:11] <mouses> You don't need to spam copy pasta it at me
6393[2017-12-02 06:35:30] <zapster> there is also proof that he was working for a foreign agent--israel
6394[2017-12-02 06:35:35] <zapster> but they aren't charging him with that
6395[2017-12-02 06:35:45] <mouses> right, that's how plea deals work zapster 
6396[2017-12-02 06:35:50] <mouses> you don't get changed with everything
6397[2017-12-02 06:35:57] <mouses> but in return, you roll over
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6399[2017-12-02 06:35:59] * ChanServ set +v Treefingers
6400[2017-12-02 06:36:17] <zapster> it was wrong for him to lie to them. he could have simply refused to talk to them.
6401[2017-12-02 06:36:23] <zapster> but he was inexperienced
6402[2017-12-02 06:36:31] <zapster> and what he did was *for the US*
6403[2017-12-02 06:36:31] <Reader> mouses, right.. she is the originator of copy pasta nonsense on IRC
6404[2017-12-02 06:36:36] <zapster> not for russia
6405[2017-12-02 06:36:42] <zapster> and for Israel
6406[2017-12-02 06:36:47] <Reader> if anyone you see, copy pasta on IRC, just remember that they have faced Zapster.
6407[2017-12-02 06:36:50] * ChanServ set -v Reader
6408[2017-12-02 06:37:00] <zapster> no ad homs
6409[2017-12-02 06:37:31] <zapster> and since the fbi already knew what the convos were about, this is nothing but entrapment
6410[2017-12-02 06:37:40] <zapster> and no evidence of collusion
6411[2017-12-02 06:38:29] <mouses> Reader: I am new to channel but I think I just got my first battle scar
6412[2017-12-02 06:38:32] — mouses roars
6413[2017-12-02 06:38:33] <mouses> xD
6414[2017-12-02 06:38:40] <zapster> this, like every other russiagate accusation, as I have pointed out after every other one, will drop into a black hole and disappear
6415[2017-12-02 06:38:46] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-RDgvwp5FE
6416[2017-12-02 06:38:47] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Judge Reinhold Is Arrested For Screaming During TSA Screening: Cops :: Duration: 01:11
6417[2017-12-02 06:38:48] <zapster> address the issue, not me
6418[2017-12-02 06:39:02] <zapster> now tell me, where's this mythical collusion again? 
6419[2017-12-02 06:39:05] <mouses> zapster: I believe that you really want your personal theories to be true
6420[2017-12-02 06:39:14] <zapster> that's an ad hom
6421[2017-12-02 06:39:16] <zapster> I will ban for it
6422[2017-12-02 06:39:23] <zapster> address the issue, not me. 
6423[2017-12-02 06:39:25] — HomieX wants Trump ARRESTED and IMPEACHED now!
6424[2017-12-02 06:39:27] <mouses> I'm not insulting you.
6425[2017-12-02 06:39:29] <zapster> where is your evidence for collusion
6426[2017-12-02 06:39:31] <zapster> you are.
6427[2017-12-02 06:39:45] <zapster> I've presented evidence that there is none, and you are insulting me
6428[2017-12-02 06:39:53] <mouses> If I came across as insulting, I apologize.
6429[2017-12-02 06:40:04] <mouses> But you have presented zero evidence, simply opinion.
6430[2017-12-02 06:40:06] <zapster> just address the issue
6431[2017-12-02 06:40:25] <mouses> And we lack enough data to really say much beyond opinion on a matter like this.
6432[2017-12-02 06:40:31] <zapster> I have just presented it. there is none in that complaint. there is none in papawhoozis' complaint either. there is none presented anywhere else
6433[2017-12-02 06:40:33] <zapster> where is it? 
6434[2017-12-02 06:40:48] <mouses> Once more....
6435[2017-12-02 06:41:04] <mouses> I have.  You're ignoring the part where Flynn confirms that senior members of the campaign were encouraged to break the law :)
6436[2017-12-02 06:41:04] <zapster> we lack data. they've made accusation after accusation and have not presented a shred of evidence for any of it. 
6437[2017-12-02 06:41:13] <zapster> and it's been much more than 4 months
6438[2017-12-02 06:41:14] <mouses> it's a ongoing case zapster
6439[2017-12-02 06:41:18] <mouses> ever been charged with a crime?
6440[2017-12-02 06:41:22] <zapster> how long until we call it off? 
6441[2017-12-02 06:41:28] <mouses> that's not how the law works
6442[2017-12-02 06:41:31] <mouses> you know this
6443[2017-12-02 06:41:43] <zapster> no real case goes this long with this much hype and no evidence. this is bullshit 
6444[2017-12-02 06:41:58] <mouses> What?
6445[2017-12-02 06:42:07] <mouses> My personal case for low level drug posession went on for 19 months
6446[2017-12-02 06:42:12] <zapster> this process crime thing is utter malarkey. it's nothing but entrapment
6447[2017-12-02 06:42:12] <mouses> the law moves slow, my friend.
6448[2017-12-02 06:42:16] <zapster> its misconduct
6449[2017-12-02 06:42:22] <zapster> no, not like this. 
6450[2017-12-02 06:42:26] <HomieX> I'd love to stay and stare at the scrolling lines of this channel until I have an epileptic seizure but I got shit to do! 
6451[2017-12-02 06:42:34] <HomieX> Later
6452[2017-12-02 06:42:35] <zapster> normally they have a case before splashing it all over the media
6453[2017-12-02 06:42:47] <mouses> You seem to have a personal vested interest in your narriative.
6454[2017-12-02 06:42:49] ⇐ HomieX quit (~Bad2B0ne@47.200.64.252): Quit: Progressive tax policies are only common sense, when 10% of the people have 90% of the money, they need to pay 90% of the taxes. The math is not difficult.
6455[2017-12-02 06:43:11] <zapster> flynn did exactly what he was supposed to do in contacting kislyak, in fact. he was doing his job correctly
6456[2017-12-02 06:43:24] <mouses> A federal judge disagrees with you.
6457[2017-12-02 06:43:35] <mouses> And again, federal judge.... zapster from freenode.....
6458[2017-12-02 06:43:40] <zapster> If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.
6459[2017-12-02 06:43:42] — mouses thinks who I trust for legal knowhow
6460[2017-12-02 06:43:46] <mouses> I'm gonna go with the judge.
6461[2017-12-02 06:44:00] <zapster> and of course, the US has *never ever* conducted a witch hunt before with cooperating judges, right? 
6462[2017-12-02 06:44:02] <zapster> not ever? 
6463[2017-12-02 06:44:12] <zapster> go read some history
6464[2017-12-02 06:44:12] <mouses> not going to engage in whataboutism with you
6465[2017-12-02 06:44:26] <zapster> it's common as dirt here
6466[2017-12-02 06:44:31] <zapster> they do it all the fucking time
6467[2017-12-02 06:44:39] <zapster> they're proven liars
6468[2017-12-02 06:44:50] <mouses> good talk, zapster - I need a break.
6469[2017-12-02 06:44:59] <mouses> don't want to monopolize the chat
6470[2017-12-02 06:45:11] <zapster> if there actually was collusion, they'd have charged him with that. 
6471[2017-12-02 06:45:30] <zapster> but there obviously is nothing, except pressure on mueller to come up with something
6472[2017-12-02 06:47:16] <zeroto100> Wouldn't that be fun if like once every hour every one had to go read about what they were talking about for like 10 minutes
6473[2017-12-02 06:47:28] <zeroto100> I feel like everyone could use a little more reading around here
6474[2017-12-02 06:47:40] <mouses> zeroto100: I think that applies to everyone, always :)
6475[2017-12-02 06:48:07] <zeroto100> I know i stopped reading over a decade ago
6476[2017-12-02 06:48:13] <zeroto100> Thanks, marijuana
6477[2017-12-02 06:48:37] <mouses> zeroto100: I did for a while until I got my laptop/tablets set up the way I like for e-reading
6478[2017-12-02 06:48:49] <mouses> zeroto100: now I inject the marijuanas AND read! :)
6479[2017-12-02 06:49:38] <zeroto100> Ugh
6480[2017-12-02 06:49:40] <zeroto100> I'm old
6481[2017-12-02 06:49:46] <zeroto100> I don't want a tablet
6482[2017-12-02 06:49:48] <zeroto100> I like books
6483[2017-12-02 06:49:56] ⇐ moei quit (~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net): Quit: Leaving...
6484[2017-12-02 06:50:00] <zeroto100> Altho now that i live in the van it's worth considering
6485[2017-12-02 06:50:29] <mouses> zeroto100: convertable chromebooks are amazing
6486[2017-12-02 06:50:34] <mouses> dirt cheap and very hackable
6487[2017-12-02 06:50:50] <zeroto100> I've actually been considering a notebook. I need something small with long battery life so I can watch TV
6488[2017-12-02 06:50:56] <Nelluk> kindle paperwhite or gtfo
6489[2017-12-02 06:51:04] <zeroto100> But you can't download files onto a Chromebook right all my TV is stolen
6490[2017-12-02 06:51:59] <zapster> so what makes you guys think there's actually anything in this investigation after all this time? 
6491[2017-12-02 06:52:05] <zapster> you just want there to be? 
6492[2017-12-02 06:52:39] <mouses> zeroto100: sure you can - I ripped out the 16gb eMMC storage on mine, upgraded to a 256GB - it also has USB 3.0 ports for external drives, SD card, etc
6493[2017-12-02 06:53:06] <mouses> zeroto100: the battery life is insane on the new Acer chromebooks
6494[2017-12-02 06:53:23] <mouses> zeroto100: mine was $200 USD, will play max bright video for 10-11 hours on a single charge
6495[2017-12-02 06:53:29] <zapster> http://watergate.info/chronology
6496[2017-12-02 06:53:30] <rabble_bot> ^ Watergate Chronology
6497[2017-12-02 06:53:38] <zapster> that is how a real investigation is conducted
6498[2017-12-02 06:54:05] <mouses> zapster: it's easy to say that in retrospect during the time that it's not a open case :)
6499[2017-12-02 06:54:19] <mouses> zapster: I think you forget just how long and how fucked up the watergate scandal was
6500[2017-12-02 06:55:11] ⇐ voltage_ quit (~voltage_@unaffiliated/voltage/x-4834960): Quit: Leaving
6501[2017-12-02 06:55:14] <mouses> zapster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Watergate_scandal (it took 3 years)
6502[2017-12-02 06:55:15] <rabble_bot> ^ Timeline of the Watergate scandal - Wikipedia
6503[2017-12-02 06:55:28] <zapster> the fbi did not subpoena clinton's server, have not spoken with the witness that can say conclusively who hacked the emails, and in fact have gone to great lengths to avoid anything where there might actually *be* evidenc
6504[2017-12-02 06:55:39] <mouses> it took 3 years zapster
6505[2017-12-02 06:55:42] <mouses> be patient
6506[2017-12-02 06:55:55] <mouses> you just gotta relax and wait for the fallout
6507[2017-12-02 06:55:55] <zapster> I was there. I watched it. and it didn't take very long. they had real evidence *published* very early in the case
6508[2017-12-02 06:56:05] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: The Owner of Two Pot Shops Won a City Council Seat in a Conservative, Rural Town <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/02/kennewick-city-council-washington-marijuana/>
6509[2017-12-02 06:56:09] <zapster> this one has absolutely nothing since tehy are avoiding the real witnesses
6510[2017-12-02 06:56:18] <mouses> zapster: you're venturing into personal opinion again
6511[2017-12-02 06:56:33] <mouses> why do you want this to be true?
6512[2017-12-02 06:56:37] <mouses> you seem really invested
6513[2017-12-02 06:56:52] <mouses> or maybe a better question - what if you are wrong?
6514[2017-12-02 06:56:55] <mouses> is that possible?
6515[2017-12-02 06:58:52] <zapster> why do you want there to be collusion? 
6516[2017-12-02 06:59:09] <mouses> I don't at all - I have no idea, it's a ongoing case
6517[2017-12-02 06:59:10] <zapster> in the face of zero evidence and much evidence that they're badly bungling all of it? 
6518[2017-12-02 06:59:29] <mouses> I have no opinion really at all beyond 'wait and see'
6519[2017-12-02 06:59:32] <zeroto100> Can i dl files without modifying it
6520[2017-12-02 06:59:37] <zapster> then why do you want it to continue to ruin the careers of people that have committed no crime? 
6521[2017-12-02 06:59:40] <zeroto100> I'm not smart
6522[2017-12-02 06:59:42] <mouses> zeroto100: of course
6523[2017-12-02 06:59:50] <mouses> zeroto100: they are 100% computers
6524[2017-12-02 06:59:52] <zeroto100> I like acer
6525[2017-12-02 07:00:14] <zapster> mccarthyism destroyed the careers of hundreds of innocent people by the time it ran it's course
6526[2017-12-02 07:00:30] <zapster> and squashed the free speech of the entire nation 
6527[2017-12-02 07:00:30] <mouses> zeroto100: you'd really like a chromebook I think :)
6528[2017-12-02 07:00:32] <zeroto100> Really
6529[2017-12-02 07:00:36] <zeroto100> Yes i want
6530[2017-12-02 07:00:38] <mouses> zeroto100: they are elegent and fast
6531[2017-12-02 07:00:45] <zeroto100> I had an Acer that lasted 8hours
6532[2017-12-02 07:00:47] <zapster> this one is doing the same thing. it's going to cost us net neutrality to start with
6533[2017-12-02 07:00:51] <zeroto100> That's what I'm looking for
6534[2017-12-02 07:00:58] <zeroto100> Yay
6535[2017-12-02 07:00:59] <Fluttershy> yay~~
6536[2017-12-02 07:01:05] <zeroto100> First glasses
6537[2017-12-02 07:01:05] <zapster> https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/it-is-your-human-duty-to-stand-unapologetically-in-your-own-authority-c386a5fe9606
6538[2017-12-02 07:01:06] <rabble_bot> ^ It Is Your Human Duty To Stand Unapologetically In Your Own Authority
6539[2017-12-02 07:01:09] <zeroto100> I'm going blind
6540[2017-12-02 07:01:23] <mouses> zeroto100: I have the Acer CB3-532-c47c
6541[2017-12-02 07:01:26] <zeroto100> Yay sunrise
6542[2017-12-02 07:01:39] <mouses> zeroto100: can't recommend it enough for a light system for web browsing, movies, tv, IRC, etc
6543[2017-12-02 07:01:45] <zeroto100> So i downloaded the robinhood app
6544[2017-12-02 07:01:47] <mouses> zeroto100: $179 USD too :)
6545[2017-12-02 07:01:56] <mouses> zeroto100: and it runs 99% of android apps too now!
6546[2017-12-02 07:01:56] <zeroto100> Did u know one share of amazon stock is 1000 dolllars
6547[2017-12-02 07:02:05] <zapster> the trick is trying to find propaganda where there is none
6548[2017-12-02 07:02:10] <zeroto100> I'm down
6549[2017-12-02 07:02:32] <mouses> zeroto100: i'm always on IRC, ping me if you get one, i'll show you some tricks :)
6550[2017-12-02 07:02:45] <zeroto100> Yay
6551[2017-12-02 07:02:52] <mouses> zeroto100: for about $59, a screwdriver, and 15 mins - you can open the case and upgrade the internal storage
6552[2017-12-02 07:03:02] <mouses> it's so easy even I can do it
6553[2017-12-02 07:04:37] <zapster> this lack of independent thought is why we have the disasters we have now
6554[2017-12-02 07:05:15] <zapster> texas just formalized it's determination to eliminate critical thinking in the schools, but many people have already had it stamped out in their own schools. this, to me, explains a great deal
6555[2017-12-02 07:05:17] <zeroto100> U think zaps a russian spy
6556[2017-12-02 07:05:20] <zeroto100> Commie
6557[2017-12-02 07:06:09] <zapster> no reference to history, no questioning of media bias even in the presence of proof of it, no challenge to the mainsteam dicta allowed 
6558[2017-12-02 07:06:29] <zapster> *fear* of encountering anything that might challenge it. they teach all that in schools now. 
6559[2017-12-02 07:07:06] <zapster> it can be the only explanation for the amazing lack of critical analysis that is epidemic now 
6560[2017-12-02 07:07:33] <zapster> Truly insisting upon your own mental sovereignty typically brings an enormous social backlash.
6561[2017-12-02 07:07:39] <zapster> demonstrated daily here. 
6562[2017-12-02 07:08:00] <Nelluk> lol
6563[2017-12-02 07:08:24] <zapster> accepting claims without evidence is the number 1 symptom. 
6564[2017-12-02 07:08:34] <Nelluk> you're acting like we've all bought into the premise that "trump hacked the election and colluded with russia" hook line and sinker. that isnt true. most of us just want to see the inestigation play out.
6565[2017-12-02 07:11:13] <zapster> Every time one of these new “bombshells” comes up the whole cult goes crazy screaming “See? We told you! Join us and help us impeach Donald Drumpffvthk!”
6566[2017-12-02 07:11:17] <zapster> haven't you?
6567[2017-12-02 07:11:23] <Nelluk> no.
6568[2017-12-02 07:11:26] <zapster> you've been defending it assiduously
6569[2017-12-02 07:11:53] <Nelluk> I've been defending the validity of the investigation and that there is stuff worth looking at. Not that he colluded and is heading for impeachment.
6570[2017-12-02 07:12:06] <zapster> you don't find anything disturbing about entrapping a man that did his job and benefited the US?
6571[2017-12-02 07:12:19] <zapster> that doesn't look at all valid to me. 
6572[2017-12-02 07:12:23] <Nelluk> see thats a mischaracterization of my position
6573[2017-12-02 07:12:27] <Nelluk> which as you said last week is a personal attack
6574[2017-12-02 07:13:42] <zapster> how was that a mischaracterization? 
6575[2017-12-02 07:13:46] <zapster> I asked a question
6576[2017-12-02 07:14:08] <zapster> do you find it disturbing or not? 
6577[2017-12-02 07:14:48] <zapster> or are you trying to deflect from answering for some reason? 
6578[2017-12-02 07:15:21] <mouses> you come across pretty aggressive zapster 
6579[2017-12-02 07:15:28] <mouses> I know tone is tough via text
6580[2017-12-02 07:15:37] <zapster> I get tired of being mischaracterized myself. 
6581[2017-12-02 07:15:46] <mouses> it's hard with text only
6582[2017-12-02 07:16:45] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Jon Tester: GOP Tax Scam Has Lobbyist Edits Literally Scribbled In The Margins <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/jon-tester-gop-tax-scam-has-lobbyist-edits>
6583[2017-12-02 07:16:52] <Nelluk> you are casting any voice of support for the inestigation as supporting the "entrapment of a man that did his job and benefitted the US'. it is a gross spin to fit your narrative and build a straw man. its a personal attack and its clear that you arent going to talk about this in an intellectually honest way.
6584[2017-12-02 07:16:53] <zapster> people make claims and then attack me instead of defending them. this is irritating. 
6585[2017-12-02 07:17:57] <zapster> well, since the charges showed no trace of collusion--the supposed goal of the investigation--and only occurred because he agreed to cooperate with the FBI, what would you call it? He was doing his job. does he deserve this for doing his job? 
6586[2017-12-02 07:18:09] <mouses> zapster: sorry, but from having talked with you about this a bit - I think Nelluk just hit the nail on the head.
6587[2017-12-02 07:18:22] <zapster> what personal attack? 
6588[2017-12-02 07:18:27] <zapster> I don't see any 
6589[2017-12-02 07:18:31] <Nelluk> mischaracterizing my position
6590[2017-12-02 07:18:37] <Nelluk> you defined that as a personal attack just a few days ago
6591[2017-12-02 07:19:03] <Nelluk> when troy implied that you thought Russia was an angel in this situation you said "fuck you" and called it a personal attack
6592[2017-12-02 07:19:06] <zapster> I did not. I asked you if this man that was doing his job deserved to be punished for it by the FBI entrapping him--which they did because they *already* had the recording of the conversation.
6593[2017-12-02 07:19:24] <zapster> I did say what you thought. I *asked* you what you thought.
6594[2017-12-02 07:19:30] <zapster> that is not mischaracterization
6595[2017-12-02 07:19:37] <zeroto100> Commie
6596[2017-12-02 07:19:57] <zapster> *did not
6597[2017-12-02 07:20:32] <zapster> because I have *never* said that russia is an angel in anything. 
6598[2017-12-02 07:20:50] <zapster> that's mischaracterization. and in fact I have told him and you repeatedly that I do *not* think that
6599[2017-12-02 07:20:52] <Nelluk> It is clear that it was not an honest question and that it was ust your way of spinning any support of the investigation to fit your own narrative.
6600[2017-12-02 07:20:55] <zapster> you, otoh, won't say what you think. 
6601[2017-12-02 07:21:00] <zapster> you just try to turn it against me
6602[2017-12-02 07:21:10] <zapster> that's unfair and in bad faith
6603[2017-12-02 07:21:31] <Nelluk> I've said what I think. That the investigation should proceed and see what it finds.
6604[2017-12-02 07:21:41] <zapster> it is a perfectly honest question. this reaction from you is dishonest and a personal attack. 
6605[2017-12-02 07:21:45] <Nelluk> There may be collusion, there may not. It's a high bar.
6606[2017-12-02 07:21:46] <Nelluk> lol
6607[2017-12-02 07:21:53] <Nelluk> oh yes so anything against zapster is a personal attack
6608[2017-12-02 07:21:54] <zapster> do you think flynn deserves this and why? 
6609[2017-12-02 07:21:57] <zapster> that's the question
6610[2017-12-02 07:22:09] <zapster> yes it is. discuss the issue, not me.
6611[2017-12-02 07:22:51] <Nelluk> It seems pretty obvious that Flynn accepted a plea to lesser charges in exchange for his cooperation. I don't think he was coerced into anything except maybe a thread that larger charges would be brought against him. Seems a totally legit investigation technique to me.
6612[2017-12-02 07:23:28] <zapster> even tho there's no evidence of a crime in the complaint? and he could have simply refused to talk to the FBI altogether and not been charged? 
6613[2017-12-02 07:23:55] <zapster> why would he choose this circus? 
6614[2017-12-02 07:23:58] <Nelluk> He's admitted to making false statements to the FBI. That's a crime. 
6615[2017-12-02 07:24:14] <Nelluk> He would choose this if this is the easier path for him than being prosecuted for more serious crimes.
6616[2017-12-02 07:24:18] <zapster> he didn't have to talk to them at all. he wasn't subpoenaed
6617[2017-12-02 07:24:28] <Nelluk> So? He did talk to them, and said false things to them. Thats a crime.
6618[2017-12-02 07:24:37] <zapster> but there's no crime to prosecute him for
6619[2017-12-02 07:24:38] <mouses> Nelluk: I think that what zapster does not understand (maybe) is that there is no crime called 'collusion' in the federal code
6620[2017-12-02 07:24:39] <Nelluk> You don't have to be under subpoena or under oath for it to be illegal
6621[2017-12-02 07:24:48] <zapster> and in fact, what he's saying about trump is not a crime either
6622[2017-12-02 07:24:59] <Nelluk> How do you know there is no crime to prosecute him for? 
6623[2017-12-02 07:25:07] <zapster> but he could have avoided it by choosing not to cooperate with the FBI
6624[2017-12-02 07:25:15] <zapster> the fact that he did should be a point in his favor
6625[2017-12-02 07:25:29] <Nelluk> The indictment wouldn't say "We could charge him with X, but we didn't because he is cooperating, so we're charging him with Z instead"
6626[2017-12-02 07:25:37] <zapster> because what the complaint alleges was that he did his job. 
6627[2017-12-02 07:25:39] <zapster> lol
6628[2017-12-02 07:25:42] <zapster> nothing more
6629[2017-12-02 07:25:44] <Nelluk> so if the FBI asks you to sit down, and you do it, and lie to them... you should get points?
6630[2017-12-02 07:26:03] <zapster> and what he's 'rolled over' on trump for is also Trump doing his job
6631[2017-12-02 07:26:11] <Nelluk> We don't know what he's rolled over on Trump for yet.
6632[2017-12-02 07:26:26] <zapster> if they hold a threat over your head that makes it dangerous to tell the truth, yes
6633[2017-12-02 07:26:32] <zapster> which the FBI is notorious for
6634[2017-12-02 07:26:39] <zapster> they were threatening him with the Logan act
6635[2017-12-02 07:26:42] <Nelluk> IF all Flynn has on Trump is that during transition he contacted the russians, then i agree thats a nothingburger
6636[2017-12-02 07:26:45] <Nelluk> but we dont know yet.
6637[2017-12-02 07:26:53] <zapster> which hasn't even been used in something like a hundred years 
6638[2017-12-02 07:26:59] <zapster> and probably is no longer even valid
6639[2017-12-02 07:27:42] <zapster> and since every other allegation has *also* been a nothingburger, it's beginning to look more like a witch hunt than a real investigation
6640[2017-12-02 07:28:15] <zapster> and if we had never seen this performance before, I might be more inclined to go along with it. but it's been a yearly occurrence for decades. :\
6641[2017-12-02 07:28:31] <Nelluk> The entire thing may end up being a nothingburger. Totally plausible. But i think you are being both premature in your declarations that its over, and immature when you criticize anyone who thinks the investigation should continue.
6642[2017-12-02 07:28:54] <Elegrant> https://youtu.be/js4R2hozscM
6643[2017-12-02 07:28:55] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Mustang Sally :: Duration: 03:08
6644[2017-12-02 07:29:31] <Nelluk> the FBI and a special counsel investigating a sitting president  is not a yearly occurrence. this is a wild circumstance with little precedent.
6645[2017-12-02 07:29:36] <zapster> they tried to get bill clinton on whitewater, drug smuggling, a whole raft of nefarious charges. what did they waste a year and a half to get? a consensual blowjob. 
6646[2017-12-02 07:29:42] <zapster> this circus is getting ridiculous
6647[2017-12-02 07:30:26] <zapster> no, circuses to smear our next regime change targets are tho. they're just trying to kill 2 birds with one stone this time
6648[2017-12-02 07:30:38] <mouses> who are 'they'
6649[2017-12-02 07:31:25] <Nelluk> who is going after a regime change in russia if not the president? McConnell and Ryan?
6650[2017-12-02 07:31:44] <Nelluk> You're acting like this is just same shit different day
6651[2017-12-02 07:31:47] <mouses> Nelluk: the 'deep state'?  :-)
6652[2017-12-02 07:31:57] <mouses> Nelluk: somehow this is all hillary's fault i'm sure
6653[2017-12-02 07:31:59] <mouses> lol
6654[2017-12-02 07:31:59] <zapster> the  president opposes it. 
6655[2017-12-02 07:32:11] <Nelluk> so who is behind it
6656[2017-12-02 07:32:16] <zapster> this comes from the dems and the neocon/military/industrial crowd 
6657[2017-12-02 07:32:30] <Nelluk> the dems who hold virtually no power in the federal government?
6658[2017-12-02 07:32:30] <zapster> who are bipartisan, btw
6659[2017-12-02 07:32:49] <zapster> Trump's big sin is not being enthusiastic about starting even bigger wars 
6660[2017-12-02 07:32:56] <mouses> ...
6661[2017-12-02 07:32:59] <zapster> hahahaha...
6662[2017-12-02 07:33:04] <zapster> you gotta be kidding me
6663[2017-12-02 07:33:14] <Nelluk> see now you are just spouting off theories with zero evidence to back t up
6664[2017-12-02 07:33:21] <Nelluk> something you tell us to knock off on a daily basis
6665[2017-12-02 07:33:34] <zapster> no I'm not. are you denying that all this began with the DNC claiming russia hacked the election? 
6666[2017-12-02 07:33:58] <zapster> ?
6667[2017-12-02 07:34:10] <mouses> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
6668[2017-12-02 07:34:11] <rabble_bot> ^ Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia
6669[2017-12-02 07:34:14] <Nelluk> i dont think the DNC made that claim, just that they had been hacked. 
6670[2017-12-02 07:34:24] <zapster> which has zero verifiable evidence still 
6671[2017-12-02 07:34:30] <zapster> yes they did 
6672[2017-12-02 07:34:48] <mouses> i'm sure every single item in that wiki is just deep state nonsense to protect us from the truth THEY DO NOT WANT US TO KNOW
6673[2017-12-02 07:34:51] <Nelluk> September 2015:  An FBI special agent contacts the Democratic National Committee to report that at least one DNC computer system has been hacked by an espionage team linked to the Russian government.
6674[2017-12-02 07:35:00] <zapster> and they still refuse to talk to assange, and the FBI failed to get the server and do any forensics on it 
6675[2017-12-02 07:35:04] — mouses passes a tinfoil hat to Nelluk
6676[2017-12-02 07:35:12] <mouses> Nelluk: that's just what THEY want you to think
6677[2017-12-02 07:35:34] <zapster> look at the list of "relevant individuals" in that wiki
6678[2017-12-02 07:35:56] <Nelluk> yes??
6679[2017-12-02 07:36:38] <mouses> zapster: yes, that's a list of every person who is in some way part of the event
6680[2017-12-02 07:38:03] <zapster> and the accusation side is all on the dem side, tho the article is using a lot of passive voice and avoiding agency 
6681[2017-12-02 07:38:12] <nomic> fking ... £140 .. got fine thru post £100 & 3 points on license .. also a £40 'processing fee' from hire car place
6682[2017-12-02 07:38:15] <nomic> fk it
6683[2017-12-02 07:38:27] <nomic> what a fucking shit thing that was .. they didn't supply satnav
6684[2017-12-02 07:38:31] <nomic> cost me like 
6685[2017-12-02 07:38:41] <nomic> all that fking m oney
6686[2017-12-02 07:38:53] <nomic> sure it was my fault
6687[2017-12-02 07:38:56] <nomic> being lost 6x
6688[2017-12-02 07:39:03] <nomic> having a fking shit stressful time
6689[2017-12-02 07:39:07] <nomic> just like the old days in a car
6690[2017-12-02 07:39:12] <nomic> wailing .. really having a bad time
6691[2017-12-02 07:39:15] <nomic> in the dark, lost
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6693[2017-12-02 07:39:34] <nomic> fk europcar
6694[2017-12-02 07:39:51] <nomic> 3 points
6695[2017-12-02 07:40:07] <zapster> for example, rachel maddow talking about it nonstop for months lol
6696[2017-12-02 07:40:54] <mouses> nomic: ouch :(  I just had to license/register a car, my wallet is hurting too :(
6697[2017-12-02 07:42:34] <nomic> i driv 1 day in years ,,, i HATE cars]
6698[2017-12-02 07:42:48] <nomic> shoulda bn str8frwd
6699[2017-12-02 07:42:55] <zapster> altho I do have to admit tha the whole thing has become quite bipartisan now too: https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-problem-with-the-clinton-russia-collusion-narrative-49facda6ad41
6700[2017-12-02 07:42:56] <rabble_bot> ^ The Problem With The Clinton-Russia Collusion Narrative
6701[2017-12-02 07:43:07] <nomic> no satnav ... spcfd satnav 
6702[2017-12-02 07:43:35] <zapster> Memories are amazingly short on the political scene, so people may have forgotten how this whole Russiagate thing got started in the first place. Dems started banging on about Russian hackers to distract from the revelations in last year’s WikiLeaks releases
6703[2017-12-02 07:44:05] <nomic> fking shit car .. felt like it was the fking 90s .. thought 'nothing has advanced' .. fking shit car, fking shit radio
6704[2017-12-02 07:44:12] <nomic> fking depressing shit .. commercial stations
6705[2017-12-02 07:44:20] <nomic> fk europcar
6706[2017-12-02 07:44:29] <nomic> cost me fking 200 to get it delivered
6707[2017-12-02 07:44:36] <nomic> what a bad experience that was 
6708[2017-12-02 07:44:46] <nomic> they fking auto took the 40 outta my account they said
6709[2017-12-02 07:44:48] <nomic> in letter
6710[2017-12-02 07:45:17] <nomic> woulda been a breeze with satnav .. guy was like "did you order it?" ... automaticall blaming me
6711[2017-12-02 07:45:20] <nomic> i let him have it
6712[2017-12-02 07:45:35] <nomic> told him you fked my day up .. i will not be recommending you
6713[2017-12-02 07:45:53] <nomic> said "you blew my day up" .. was supposed to be 0 stress
6714[2017-12-02 07:46:28] <nomic> dickheads sending me emails with someone elses details on it .. the plate # was on the keys .. needed that .. writetn in biro, clumsily  .. they have no systems
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6716[2017-12-02 07:47:35] <nomic> finances hammered
6717[2017-12-02 07:49:26] <nomic> ive shut up now
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6720[2017-12-02 07:57:01] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: Until the De Facto Ban On Kaepernick Is Lifted, The NFL’s Gestures Toward Criminal Justice Reform Ring Hollow <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/02/colin-kaepernick-nfl-ban-criminal-justice-players-shaun-king/>
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6723[2017-12-02 08:04:04] <nomic> felt like it was like .. being in old fking white .. the car was white (ford focus) .. i always had white cavaliers
6724[2017-12-02 08:04:07] <nomic> just brought it all back
6725[2017-12-02 08:04:18] <nomic> lost, in the cold .. miserable .. wailing, banging on steering wheel
6726[2017-12-02 08:04:21] <nomic> thanks europcar
6727[2017-12-02 08:05:39] <nomic> man .. i drove str8 out .. and i had this idea that the m56 was towards liverpool & left .. its not .. its widnes->runcorn .. knew this .. but it had been years .. occurred to me as I was getting into liverpool & had not found the turnoff .. then I couldn't turn round -- then I was LOST ..on the west side of liverpool which is vast & street level & fking .. I only know the right side well
6728[2017-12-02 08:05:53] <nomic> "fiveways" .. so im taking a gamble on fiveways .. then im really lost
6729[2017-12-02 08:05:56] <nomic> burning up fuel
6730[2017-12-02 08:06:18] <nomic> so im totally, absolutely los t& at the stage where I think .. this is lost lost lost lost .. quiet road .. thinking I have no idea
6731[2017-12-02 08:06:29] <nomic> come out of a junction & im looking @ this building automatically, knew
6732[2017-12-02 08:07:00] <nomic> was university building, opposite 'spire healthcare' which used to be a private (convent) ... hospital .. that I did the f*cking lab system for, all those years back
6733[2017-12-02 08:07:02] <nomic> & ...
6734[2017-12-02 08:07:27] <nomic> I turn round in their drive .. cos its drive thru (hospital) .. its on the corner .. corner is penny lane (the famous 1)
6735[2017-12-02 08:07:32] <nomic> im onto penny lane
6736[2017-12-02 08:07:40] <nomic> get rite thru that thinking fek
6737[2017-12-02 08:07:48] <nomic> theres my old guitar teachers house (well gone now)
6738[2017-12-02 08:07:49] <nomic> will be
6739[2017-12-02 08:07:59] <nomic> turn right .. then im stressed again trying to remeember
6740[2017-12-02 08:08:07] <nomic> then I have to floor it all the way back .. back to fking runcorn
6741[2017-12-02 08:08:13] <nomic> all instinct .
6742[2017-12-02 08:08:28] <nomic> runcorn was always complicated .. get a bit lost there .. widnes etc .. ITS ALL CHANGED
6743[2017-12-02 08:08:36] <nomic> so im speeding really
6744[2017-12-02 08:08:47] <nomic> runcorn bridge .. different bridge .. toll bridge, thanks
6745[2017-12-02 08:08:53] <nomic> then im lost in north wales
6746[2017-12-02 08:08:56] <nomic> thanks europcar
6747[2017-12-02 08:09:14] <nomic> bout then im wailing in the dark .. banging steering wheel,  just like the old days
6748[2017-12-02 08:09:22] <nomic> listening to fucking crap commercial radio .. shit radio
6749[2017-12-02 08:09:26] <nomic> hating the f*cking car now
6750[2017-12-02 08:09:38] <nomic> get double flashed by a speed camera .. some blank road
6751[2017-12-02 08:09:54] <nomic> i think .. yeah they said 52 (mph) .. will have been ina  40
6752[2017-12-02 08:10:09] <nomic> so im more fucking stressed .. then im just fucking lost again ..t rying to find mold 
6753[2017-12-02 08:10:12] <nomic> in the fking dark
6754[2017-12-02 08:10:14] <nomic> fk europcar
6755[2017-12-02 08:10:29] <nomic> got a kebab in mold .. could fking figure it from mold
6756[2017-12-02 08:10:32] <nomic> fk europcar
6757[2017-12-02 08:10:41] <nomic> coulda crashed the piece of shit
6758[2017-12-02 08:10:52] <nomic> i hadnd't driven for like 4 or 5 years 
6759[2017-12-02 08:10:54] <nomic> @ least 4
6760[2017-12-02 08:10:55] <nomic> 4 
6761[2017-12-02 08:11:31] <nomic> absolutely nobody on the road .. double flashed. middle of nowhere
6762[2017-12-02 08:11:55] <mouses> i never get lost, google is pretty good at nav here in the USA
6763[2017-12-02 08:12:02] <mouses> i just go where the voice/map tells me
6764[2017-12-02 08:12:02] <nomic> yeah well i had no satnav
6765[2017-12-02 08:12:08] <mouses> ouch
6766[2017-12-02 08:12:14] <nomic> had actually bought a mapbook on way out ..that cost me fking £7
6767[2017-12-02 08:12:25] <mouses> brutal :(
6768[2017-12-02 08:12:30] <nomic> cos i ordered a satnav with this car & europcar are disorganised
6769[2017-12-02 08:12:34] <mouses> yeah I refuse to drive in places I don't know without my phone
6770[2017-12-02 08:12:46] <mouses> I just get a little mount for my android
6771[2017-12-02 08:12:50] <mouses> plug it into the speakers
6772[2017-12-02 08:13:05] <nomic> tbh .. you know the impression I got.. that delivery guy?  .. fucking LAZY .. its all hassle
6773[2017-12-02 08:13:10] <nomic> they just fucking omitted it 
6774[2017-12-02 08:13:15] <nomic> cos they're fucking lazy and dozy
6775[2017-12-02 08:13:31] <nomic> who the fuck wants to be drving all day .. i certinly didn't
6776[2017-12-02 08:13:40] <nomic> paid for that .. it blew my fking day up
6777[2017-12-02 08:13:53] <nomic> coulda crashed the piece of shit .. was rusty .. relatively
6778[2017-12-02 08:14:06] <nomic> fking mundane fking focus
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6780[2017-12-02 08:14:30] <nomic> he didn't even show me hte alarm anything .. had to ask him .. didn't think about .. just assumed it'd have the fking satnav
6781[2017-12-02 08:14:46] <nomic> calming voice 'turn right at junction' .. woulda been str8 there & str8 back
6782[2017-12-02 08:15:00] <nomic> coulda used car later for some shopping or something .. didn't want to know
6783[2017-12-02 08:15:05] <nomic> then they won't pick it up .. 
6784[2017-12-02 08:15:10] <nomic> wanted that car GONE
6785[2017-12-02 08:15:38] <nomic> whole xperience cost me ~ £400
6786[2017-12-02 08:15:41] <mouses> you should just get a phone that you can plug into the car
6787[2017-12-02 08:15:57] <nomic> wll fkint i just wanted to get out and back .. 
6788[2017-12-02 08:15:59] <nomic> was latish
6789[2017-12-02 08:16:01] <mouses> oh that was like a rental or something?
6790[2017-12-02 08:16:03] <nomic> yeah
6791[2017-12-02 08:16:06] <nomic> europe-car
6792[2017-12-02 08:16:06] <mouses> ayyyy
6793[2017-12-02 08:16:08] <nomic> delivered
6794[2017-12-02 08:16:12] <nomic> cos i wanted zero stress
6795[2017-12-02 08:16:17] <mouses> oh that's cool, rental delivery
6796[2017-12-02 08:16:21] <nomic> ill get over it .. /me shuts the fk up
6797[2017-12-02 08:16:31] <nomic> yeah well it woulda been cool if they hadn't fked it up
6798[2017-12-02 08:16:56] <nomic> im getting emails from europcar with somebody elses info on them .. thats how organised that co. is
6799[2017-12-02 08:16:58] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: On The Bright Side, If Tax Bill Passes, Republicans Don't Need Trump <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/bright-side-if-tax-bill-passes-republicans>
6800[2017-12-02 08:17:33] <nomic> i just got a change in .. reverted something
6801[2017-12-02 08:17:37] — nomic tends to write too much code
6802[2017-12-02 08:18:13] <nomic> im trying to do something that I have been attempting for 2 years
6803[2017-12-02 08:18:45] <nomic> and i think i made it simple .. i think everything is simpler, now I got a bit of leverage (having written an editor+) ..editor with functionality, utility around my system
6804[2017-12-02 08:19:32] <nomic> i think im feeling old in that .. it takes me a while to absorb what i've written  .. but then again .. its because im not getting 'weekends away' .. like i used to .. i remember the feeling of the EASE everything .. the ease of programming monday morning, after a good weekend
6805[2017-12-02 08:19:35] <nomic> away from it
6806[2017-12-02 08:19:54] <nomic> cos you've processed it .. you've mapped out in the shower that morning, fresh .. what you do that AM
6807[2017-12-02 08:20:20] <nomic> im thinking of bob leadham now .. hes dead
6808[2017-12-02 08:20:30] <nomic> nice boss i had @ the rspb
6809[2017-12-02 08:20:54] <nomic> was definitely my most effective gig .. did a hell of a lot for those people & got them outta some shit
6810[2017-12-02 08:21:03] <nomic> in that .. 
6811[2017-12-02 08:21:22] <nomic> i made a project that woulda been a multiple guy effort .. incredibly simple .. and they needed it ..
6812[2017-12-02 08:21:28] <nomic> cos of the mailing list disaster
6813[2017-12-02 08:21:31] <nomic> i think that finished bob off
6814[2017-12-02 08:21:46] <nomic> they mailed all the dead people
6815[2017-12-02 08:21:53] <nomic> it was "europes 2nd biggest charity"
6816[2017-12-02 08:21:59] <nomic> cos the chinese contractor
6817[2017-12-02 08:22:12] <nomic> didn't have a clue -- and the agency ... prospectus, was putting people in who weren't qualified
6818[2017-12-02 08:22:20] <nomic> i know , cos I was hving to train them all up
6819[2017-12-02 08:22:30] <nomic> "qualified" .. experienced
6820[2017-12-02 08:22:38] <nomic> id come out of fking software houses my then
6821[2017-12-02 08:22:40] <nomic> by then
6822[2017-12-02 08:23:08] <nomic> & the "ex shipbuilder" .. guy who'd worked on ships .. he was useless .. and the chinese contractor .. were puzzling over some code .. it was like 6pm @ least
6823[2017-12-02 08:23:33] <nomic> and they're going 'how do we  do this' (no clue) .. and they were looking @ LOCATE .. which was a command in the mvdbms system (prime) .. to sort arrays
6824[2017-12-02 08:24:14] <nomic> you have LOCATE ARRAY .. BY "AR" .. or "AL" .. and the AL or AR .. they are 'ascending left" .. or right .. there are a lot of masks .. this is used for sorting the arrays
6825[2017-12-02 08:24:35] <nomic> so they're looking @ this and they have null values (to deal with) .. they could not understand it .. it was the xtract for the mailing
6826[2017-12-02 08:24:54] <nomic> i say to them "null values " .. on this platform i didn't say they're 'buggy' but they're tricky ..
6827[2017-12-02 08:25:07] <nomic> some time later bob shows me the mail room "come with me"
6828[2017-12-02 08:25:15] <nomic> 6 foot along a wall .. a long wall
6829[2017-12-02 08:25:20] <nomic> letters -- ANGRY LETTERS
6830[2017-12-02 08:25:23] <mouses> my god dude your monologue
6831[2017-12-02 08:25:25] <mouses> I can't keep up
6832[2017-12-02 08:25:29] <nomic> they had mailed .. outta a 2 million database of live members
6833[2017-12-02 08:25:36] <nomic> the 6 million + DEAD PEOPLE
6834[2017-12-02 08:25:57] <nomic> it hit the press .. it was probabbly the biggest f*ckup .. one of the biggest f*ckups in i.t. .. it was certainly their biggest f*ckup
6835[2017-12-02 08:26:42] <nomic> and they needed a response. .. they needed two things ... a database cleanup/deduplication .. and also safety features .. to ensure .. so they could go to the press and say "we have fixed this" .... I designed/provided both
6836[2017-12-02 08:26:49] <nomic> expediently
6837[2017-12-02 08:26:54] <nomic> in the best way
6838[2017-12-02 08:26:57] <nomic> i am a professional
6839[2017-12-02 08:27:01] <nomic> one of the best
6840[2017-12-02 08:27:22] <nomic> the approach i used to clean up their data, their deduplication, it was advanced .. I made a huge project into a breeze
6841[2017-12-02 08:27:36] — nomic designed it, coded it .. it was given to a contractor .. he wasn't capable of programming it
6842[2017-12-02 08:27:42] <nomic> they're all dickheads 
6843[2017-12-02 08:27:46] <nomic> people disgust me
6844[2017-12-02 08:27:51] <nomic> ive shut up now
6845[2017-12-02 08:28:08] <nomic> course, I didn't get promoted .. everyone else got promoted .. not me .. I just left
6846[2017-12-02 08:28:27] <nomic> there was no reward for all that ... all tha exceptional work .. a standard scenario .. everyone shat on me
6847[2017-12-02 08:28:57] <nomic> i just wasn't presentable .. wasn't like a "company man" .. sorta .. was also arguing with certain people
6848[2017-12-02 08:29:18] <nomic> but bob leadham was supporting me
6849[2017-12-02 08:29:38] <nomic> got into argument with the car park guy there, the fking maintenance ,, vehicles ... bob was just laughing
6850[2017-12-02 08:29:51] <nomic> probably why i didn't get promoted tho
6851[2017-12-02 08:30:01] <nomic> nxt im taking orders .. having to take orders from this fking scottish midget
6852[2017-12-02 08:30:07] <nomic> i refused .. bob told me to take the orders
6853[2017-12-02 08:30:10] <nomic> i just fking left
6854[2017-12-02 08:30:18] <nomic> could pick up phone then & get 2 interviews in a day
6855[2017-12-02 08:30:34] <nomic> the RSPB
6856[2017-12-02 08:30:50] <nomic> https://ww2.rspb.org.uk/join-and-donate/join-us/?gclid=CjwKCAiAu4nRBRBKEiwANms5W5pS9M4u5moRObzfXeqxIRCZCjzecHBGHjVqOElbDE9rRT1Oct9jHxoC1M0QAvD_BwE  A robin singing on a cold winter's day, a busy bird feeder on a frosty morning, a scurrying squirrel searching for its stores – wildlife has a wonderful way of lifting our spirits. Look after what you love by joining the RSPB. You’ll also benefit from free en
6857[2017-12-02 08:30:50] <nomic> try to over 170 nature reserves and receive your choice of free gift. Frequently asked questions
6858[2017-12-02 08:30:52] <rabble_bot> ^ Become a member
6859[2017-12-02 08:30:55] <nomic> huge charity
6860[2017-12-02 08:31:28] <nomic> beautiful place it was .. was sandy, beds
6861[2017-12-02 08:31:32] <nomic> in a very old house .. historical
6862[2017-12-02 08:31:52] <nomic> 'robert peels' .. house .. robert peel was the man who invented the "peelers" .. the first police in the uk
6863[2017-12-02 08:32:09] <nomic> was in the middle of a garden .. pools, koi carp, peacocks walking around
6864[2017-12-02 08:32:18] <nomic> was beautiful .. had an italian garden .. little waterfall on it
6865[2017-12-02 08:32:53] <nomic> @ 1 point i had the keys to a room with all eggs in it .. and files .. of all the people who had stolen eggs
6866[2017-12-02 08:32:57] <nomic> inner sanctum
6867[2017-12-02 08:33:09] — nomic used to crawl outta the roof .. through a skylight & go to sleep
6868[2017-12-02 08:33:21] <nomic> door had to be locked .. anyone needed me would ring phone
6869[2017-12-02 08:33:55] <nomic> yeah .. part  of "investigations" .. a dept. to trace, prosecute people who steal birds eggs 
6870[2017-12-02 08:34:13] <nomic> many diff departments there were .. addressed them all, was upgrading their systems
6871[2017-12-02 08:34:25] <nomic> REV/G and PRIMOS
6872[2017-12-02 08:34:32] <nomic> systems were minicomputer (prime)
6873[2017-12-02 08:34:44] <nomic> operations department also
6874[2017-12-02 08:34:51] <nomic> computer room
6875[2017-12-02 08:35:00] <nomic> line printers for the mailings
6876[2017-12-02 08:35:36] <nomic> no shit the systems. .. MVDBMS (multi-value database management system)
6877[2017-12-02 08:35:44] <nomic> mvdbms = PICK os
6878[2017-12-02 08:35:48] * mouses → mooses
6879[2017-12-02 08:35:49] <nomic> a database operating systerm 
6880[2017-12-02 08:35:58] <nomic> many diff types of hardware 
6881[2017-12-02 08:36:12] <nomic> they actually had another mvdbms system there. altos I think it was
6882[2017-12-02 08:37:38] <nomic> which was just sitting there .. I think they'd tried to get their entire system off prime .. onto altos .. but ... they were then .. prime had gone bust, while I was there .. they were going more and more to win shite (hence the rev g) .. in that .. well rev g was used ... all the vdu terminals had been replaced with pcs, with a terminal emulator (to get into primos) .. also revg systems (an mvdbms which ran 
6883[2017-12-02 08:37:38] <nomic> purely on the pc) .. it was all going to pc
6884[2017-12-02 08:37:43] <nomic> fk microsoft
6885[2017-12-02 08:38:44] <nomic> i reckon their path was to universe .. heck im trying to remember .. all the varieties of system (I encountered) ... the best one was universe, the one that went forward .. was taken up by IBM .. that was IBM U2/UNIDATA/UNIVERSE
6886[2017-12-02 08:38:47] <nomic> v powerful stoff
6887[2017-12-02 08:39:10] <nomic> stuff .. corporate .. better than anything otu there .. better than sql solutions .. a data base operating system ... 
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6890[2017-12-02 08:39:14] <HomieX> Great movie from the 80's to check out, kind of fell into obscurity - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091183/
6891[2017-12-02 08:39:15] <rabble_bot> ^ Head Office (1985) - IMDb
6892[2017-12-02 08:39:23] <nomic> microshit were trying to adopt it around 2000
6893[2017-12-02 08:39:53] <nomic> that was "winfs" .. it is too sophisticated for their operation .. it was too sophisticated for the operation/corporate model of IBM ..
6894[2017-12-02 08:40:03] <nomic> must read some more about winfs
6895[2017-12-02 08:40:25] <nomic> i know all about microshits history .. its like a fking road crash .. reading all about it .. but hey .. it was THE drill bit ..
6896[2017-12-02 08:40:27] <HomieX> Interesting comment left for that movie on imbd.com:
6897[2017-12-02 08:40:31] <HomieX> About 20 years ago I ran into Eddie Albert at "Disneyworld", and asked him about one of the greatest "black comedies" of all time, "Head Office". What I wanted to know was, with a great cast, and a terrific script, how come the film sank into obscurity? His answer was that the studio thought it hit a little too close to home, lampooning big business. What makes "Head Office" so special is that the lack of communication between top 
6898[2017-12-02 08:40:32] <HomieX> executives and the people who are actually on the firing line, is all true. "Never make a decision, just approve other peoples decisions" I love this movie, and if you enjoy "dark comedy" this is one of the best.
6899[2017-12-02 08:40:40] <nomic> thnks for hint homiex
6900[2017-12-02 08:41:00] <nomic> is kevin spacey in it (maybe) ... being an 'office' movie .. kevin spacey always played the demonic, impassionate office manager
6901[2017-12-02 08:41:05] <nomic> the boss of nightmares
6902[2017-12-02 08:41:46] <nomic> danny devito, jane seymour
6903[2017-12-02 08:41:55] <nomic> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091183/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm
6904[2017-12-02 08:41:56] <rabble_bot> ^ Head Office (1985) - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb
6905[2017-12-02 08:41:58] <nomic> lot of people in it
6906[2017-12-02 08:42:03] <nomic> will check it out
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6909[2017-12-02 08:42:58] <nomic> u know the biggest failure of microshit that went under the radar, was the "kin" .. which was a "youth music/pda" ... device .. they bought the hardware from a co. that had a java os on it
6910[2017-12-02 08:43:05] <erasmus> heyo
6911[2017-12-02 08:43:10] <nomic> they totally wrecked it .. it sold something like 3000 units
6912[2017-12-02 08:43:23] <HomieX> Fuck Microshit
6913[2017-12-02 08:43:47] <erasmus> yeah fuckit
6914[2017-12-02 08:43:55] <nomic> the story of that and how microshit wrecked that product .. its unbelievable .. they gave it a plan of $60 a month .. it had no twitter updates etc .. there was so much missing from it .. but they still launched it
6915[2017-12-02 08:44:02] <nomic> it couldn't even "tweet"
6916[2017-12-02 08:44:03] <HomieX> They tried coming out with their own proprietary HTML when that awful WebTV came out
6917[2017-12-02 08:44:14] <nomic> rlly?
6918[2017-12-02 08:44:18] <HomieX> Yes
6919[2017-12-02 08:44:47] <nomic> gah. .. they never fixed their browser, ever.. there are charts of "compatibilities" .. its all red for microshit .. they never followed anyones standard
6920[2017-12-02 08:44:50] <erasmus> when u don't drink alcohol and u get buzzed off a can of beer u know life is good
6921[2017-12-02 08:45:45] <nomic> i just knew id have a lightweight editor with some control of X
6922[2017-12-02 08:46:02] <HomieX> Windows is shit, I bought an external DAC for my mac and to make the thing operate in mode 2 you need a driver for Windows, no driver needed for Mac 
6923[2017-12-02 08:46:39] <nomic> windows wants u to wait while it updates .. windows forces you to logoff .. windows slows down over time because they cannot upgrade their filing system
6924[2017-12-02 08:46:48] <nomic> its a 90s OS .. its unbelievably bad 
6925[2017-12-02 08:46:51] <nomic> people pay for the SHIJT
6926[2017-12-02 08:46:51] <mooses> morning erasmus 
6927[2017-12-02 08:46:54] <HomieX> Sucks ASS
6928[2017-12-02 08:47:11] <nomic> i do a MAJOR UPGRADE .. while continuing to work with my debian derivative
6929[2017-12-02 08:47:14] <nomic> 1 reboot
6930[2017-12-02 08:47:24] <nomic> microshit will required a fucking day
6931[2017-12-02 08:47:51] <nomic> for a MAJOR UPGRADE .. then .. who knows what the fuck it looks like (what the fuck is this metro shit etc) ... they havent' decided in 2017, what their GUI should look like
6932[2017-12-02 08:48:03] <nomic> it's end of the road, anyway .. m$ is trying to become a "services company"
6933[2017-12-02 08:49:02] <nomic> they have given up on their OS .. how that is known?  their annual trade show (march or early year -- am unsure ) .. well the last one I read about .. reported about ... 2016 .. the article was saying that "none of the microshit engineers were briefed on, or wanted to talk about windows" '"windows'  they've deprecated it 
6934[2017-12-02 08:49:03] <HomieX> On Mac I get notified there are updates, if a reboot is needed it tells me that too. If no reboot it downloads and installs bada bing bada boom. If reboot is needed it downloads logs you out, installs, reboots and you're back in business 
6935[2017-12-02 08:49:24] <nomic> satya (sp.) nadella .. has made focus "cloud" (services) .. they have walked away from the OS .. its end of line
6936[2017-12-02 08:49:37] <JamGobbar> nomic: you can only offer the cocktail pony defense
6937[2017-12-02 08:49:37] <HomieX> On windows there is two steps, it installs the updates then you reboot then it has to do another step which can take a long time
6938[2017-12-02 08:49:44] <nomic> 2015 they shelved "midori" .. their 15 year attempt to get a microkernel
6939[2017-12-02 08:49:50] <nomic> whats that jamgobbar
6940[2017-12-02 08:50:00] <JamGobbar> https://nypost.com/2017/12/01/lawyer-uses-cocktail-and-pony-defense-for-billionaire-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/
6941[2017-12-02 08:50:01] <rabble_bot> ^ Lawyer uses ‘cocktail and pony’ defense for billionaire accused of sexual misconduct | New York Post
6942[2017-12-02 08:50:43] <nomic> whaddyamean
6943[2017-12-02 08:50:53] <nomic> visavis what we were maybe chatting about (microshit)
6944[2017-12-02 08:51:08] <HomieX> nomic: What blows my mind is how many businesses use MS shit 
6945[2017-12-02 08:51:10] <nomic> was the pony shitting on the floor?
6946[2017-12-02 08:51:18] <nomic> yeah .. and how many businesses use windows xp
6947[2017-12-02 08:51:29] <JamGobbar> HomieX: vs what? linux? rofl
6948[2017-12-02 08:51:44] <HomieX> Linux is way better than Windoze 
6949[2017-12-02 08:51:49] <JamGobbar> not really
6950[2017-12-02 08:51:51] <nomic> i fking despise microshit .. they have the lowest standards in the business
6951[2017-12-02 08:51:53] <HomieX> FU
6952[2017-12-02 08:51:55] <JamGobbar> as a desktop windows is still superior
6953[2017-12-02 08:51:59] <nomic> as jobs said about them years ago
6954[2017-12-02 08:52:00] <HomieX> ROFL
6955[2017-12-02 08:52:20] <HomieX> JamGobbar: F U and your stupid drive letters 
6956[2017-12-02 08:52:33] <JamGobbar> F U and your retarded randomly placed drive mount points
6957[2017-12-02 08:52:46] <HomieX> I got VOLUMES, bitch 
6958[2017-12-02 08:52:49] <HomieX> You got drive letters 
6959[2017-12-02 08:52:59] <nomic> The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don’t mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don’t think of original ideas, and they don’t bring much culture into their products. I am saddened, not by Microsoft’s success, I have no problem with their success. They’ve earned their success, for the most part.
6960[2017-12-02 08:53:00] <nomic>  I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third-rate products. --- Steve Jobs, 1995
6961[2017-12-02 08:53:12] <JamGobbar> HomieX: windows has volumes and drive letters too, derp
6962[2017-12-02 08:53:19] <HomieX> Sure it does
6963[2017-12-02 08:53:23] <JamGobbar> i am sure
6964[2017-12-02 08:53:29] <HomieX> Then you woke up stuck to the bedsheets 
6965[2017-12-02 08:53:34] <nomic> steve jobs: ""Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he's more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology. He just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas.""
6966[2017-12-02 08:53:47] <HomieX> True, true
6967[2017-12-02 08:53:48] <JamGobbar> HomieX: and you woke up in a bed without sheets, ew
6968[2017-12-02 08:53:52] <nomic> where is apple now .. is heading into obscurity again right?
6969[2017-12-02 08:53:56] <HomieX> LOL
6970[2017-12-02 08:54:04] <nomic> their products aren't xactly selling like hotcakes now
6971[2017-12-02 08:54:14] <nomic> what I heard .. no qs in china for their last iphone
6972[2017-12-02 08:54:18] <nomic> was a "meh"
6973[2017-12-02 08:54:20] <nomic> launch
6974[2017-12-02 08:54:36] <HomieX> yeah right, Apple is sitting on a mount Everest mountain of cash, their gadgets sell like hotcakes, and they just completed a new HQ that is larger than the fucking Pentagon 
6975[2017-12-02 08:54:36] <nomic> do you use linux homiex ?
6976[2017-12-02 08:54:41] <JamGobbar> everything that company has dones ince jobs died has been a pale imimtation of its former self
6977[2017-12-02 08:54:42] <HomieX> Sounds like obscurity 
6978[2017-12-02 08:54:44] <HomieX> NOT
6979[2017-12-02 08:54:51] <JamGobbar> we cant all agree on a deskop os
6980[2017-12-02 08:54:56] <JamGobbar> but surely we can all agree that we hate apple
6981[2017-12-02 08:55:03] <humbot> bah
6982[2017-12-02 08:55:16] <HomieX> There are things I hate about Apple, but I'd never go back to Windows 
6983[2017-12-02 08:55:18] <HomieX> NEVER
6984[2017-12-02 08:55:27] <HomieX> EVER
6985[2017-12-02 08:55:31] <nomic> http://static4.uk.businessinsider.com/image/57bb2555dd0895c3098b47f5-1200/20160822_android_ios.png   smartphone market share
6986[2017-12-02 08:55:32] <JamGobbar> i'd use an apple before having to deal with a linux desktop
6987[2017-12-02 08:55:35] ⇐ erasmus quit (~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus): Quit: namaste
6988[2017-12-02 08:55:50] <nomic> android has eaten everything up like pacman
6989[2017-12-02 08:55:52] <nomic> its all android now
6990[2017-12-02 08:55:57] <HomieX> you can tie me to a chair and threatened to pull all my teeth out with a rusty set of pliers ... Not doing it
6991[2017-12-02 08:56:06] <nomic> microshit is OUT OF THE SMARTPHONE MARKET
6992[2017-12-02 08:56:07] <JamGobbar> https://i.imgur.com/QPQG1QX.jpg <<=-- let the ladies of the force guide you
6993[2017-12-02 08:56:19] <nomic> winshit phones are nowhere .. they destroyed nokia tho
6994[2017-12-02 08:56:20] <HomieX> Their smartphones were retarded looking 
6995[2017-12-02 08:56:34] <nomic> do you run linux homiex ?
6996[2017-12-02 08:56:39] <nomic> just wondering
6997[2017-12-02 08:56:53] <HomieX> That's what MS does, destroy all competition and innovation 
6998[2017-12-02 08:57:01] <HomieX> Cept they couldn't stop Apple and Linux
6999[2017-12-02 08:57:04] <nomic> embrace, extend, extinguish
7000[2017-12-02 08:57:05] <HomieX> Thank God
7001[2017-12-02 08:57:13] <nomic> naw they "love linux" now
7002[2017-12-02 08:57:17] <nomic> cos they need a platform
7003[2017-12-02 08:57:22] <HomieX> nomic: I run MAC OS
7004[2017-12-02 08:57:25] <nomic> they aint got a fucking platform
7005[2017-12-02 08:57:31] <nomic> isee
7006[2017-12-02 08:57:42] * g2` → william
7007[2017-12-02 08:57:43] <nomic> nice is mac
7008[2017-12-02 08:57:51] <nomic> its robust .. unlike winshite
7009[2017-12-02 08:57:52] <HomieX> which is just a version of FreeBSD which is Unix 
7010[2017-12-02 08:58:03] <humbot> wut
7011[2017-12-02 08:58:11] <nomic> u a graphic designer or something homiex ?  why is your requirement macos .. is it because of the software .. a package you run
7012[2017-12-02 08:58:12] <humbot> JUST A VERSION
7013[2017-12-02 08:58:23] <HomieX> I'm a photographer
7014[2017-12-02 08:58:26] <JamGobbar> ahh
7015[2017-12-02 08:58:26] <nomic> ah .. i see
7016[2017-12-02 08:58:27] <JamGobbar> there you go
7017[2017-12-02 08:58:31] <HomieX> Do all my editing on my Mac 
7018[2017-12-02 08:58:32] <humbot> hipsters everywhere
7019[2017-12-02 08:58:36] <nomic> with what?
7020[2017-12-02 08:58:36] <JamGobbar> lol
7021[2017-12-02 08:58:52] <HomieX> Adobe Lightroom 6 and Photoshop 
7022[2017-12-02 08:59:01] <nomic> whats your camera homiex
7023[2017-12-02 08:59:05] <HomieX> Though I don't use PS much anymore 
7024[2017-12-02 08:59:07] <nomic> i am intersted in photography, cameras
7025[2017-12-02 08:59:08] <mooses> I do video editing, i'm a sony vegas kind of mooses
7026[2017-12-02 08:59:12] <nomic> although I currently do not have 1
7027[2017-12-02 08:59:19] <HomieX> Canon 7D mark II 
7028[2017-12-02 08:59:21] <JamGobbar> graphics people are like die hard macboys
7029[2017-12-02 08:59:25] <JamGobbar> welll some of them
7030[2017-12-02 08:59:30] <JamGobbar> the ones that dont do 3d stuff anyways
7031[2017-12-02 08:59:36] <nomic> noshit
7032[2017-12-02 08:59:41] <HomieX> I'm not a graphics boy, I'm a photo boy!! 
7033[2017-12-02 08:59:46] <nomic> not cheap
7034[2017-12-02 08:59:55] <JamGobbar> HomieX: same difference
7035[2017-12-02 09:00:00] <nomic> when did you last use film homiex?
7036[2017-12-02 09:00:05] <HomieX> 1984
7037[2017-12-02 09:00:09] <nomic> wow
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7040[2017-12-02 09:00:18] <HomieX> No, mid 90's I guess 
7041[2017-12-02 09:00:19] <nomic> naw .. digital wasn't around then?
7042[2017-12-02 09:00:21] <nomic> ok
7043[2017-12-02 09:00:23] <CosmicWitch> when you look at a white man's mugshot
7044[2017-12-02 09:00:28] <CosmicWitch> why is it always so creepy
7045[2017-12-02 09:00:31] <nomic> what was your last film camera
7046[2017-12-02 09:00:44] <CosmicWitch> and then Ill look at a black person's mugshot and they look like a regular person with no issues
7047[2017-12-02 09:00:50] <HomieX> I never had a good film camera, just consumer shit 
7048[2017-12-02 09:00:54] <nomic> isee
7049[2017-12-02 09:00:56] <CosmicWitch> :3
7050[2017-12-02 09:01:12] <nomic> i like looking @ them on ebay .. u can get like a nikon FE body for £10
7051[2017-12-02 09:01:15] <nomic> i mean holyfk
7052[2017-12-02 09:01:26] <nomic> a canon a1 for like £10
7053[2017-12-02 09:01:27] <HomieX> Took me till 2011 to afford an an entry level DSLR 
7054[2017-12-02 09:01:33] <nomic> that was the first digital slr .. v expensive they were
7055[2017-12-02 09:02:05] <nomic> fek i feel good now .. always do by typing shit outta my system ... also made code change
7056[2017-12-02 09:02:09] <HomieX> Film is a pain in the ass 
7057[2017-12-02 09:02:16] <nomic> sure it is
7058[2017-12-02 09:02:16] <HomieX> Digital is awesome 
7059[2017-12-02 09:02:24] <nomic> chemicals .. fking risky (exposure) .. 
7060[2017-12-02 09:02:39] <nomic> i like looking @ old cameras tho
7061[2017-12-02 09:02:40] <HomieX> Flashes are wireless now, it's beautiful! 
7062[2017-12-02 09:02:49] — nomic wants a brownie box
7063[2017-12-02 09:03:00] <nomic> u can get them in like this pale blue .. they're beautiful little things
7064[2017-12-02 09:03:14] <nomic> some guy was selling them with film
7065[2017-12-02 09:03:30] <nomic> they're really tactile to handle .. I had one, years back
7066[2017-12-02 09:03:37] <nomic> little light thing, tactile
7067[2017-12-02 09:03:52] <nomic> different way of photographing .. very stable
7068[2017-12-02 09:04:11] <nomic> you stand hunched over it & look down through the opaque window to frame the shot
7069[2017-12-02 09:04:40] <nomic> i think .. in a way, it makes the individual more part of the environment, in taking the photo
7070[2017-12-02 09:04:48] <nomic> too much attention on viewfinder ..
7071[2017-12-02 09:05:20] <nomic> having to looki through a view finder .. with a brownie box, you can look up and around .. get a better impression .. the view finder is used only for framing
7072[2017-12-02 09:05:32] <nomic> i want a brownie box camera
7073[2017-12-02 09:05:42] <nomic> canvas bag they come in .. heavy canvas
7074[2017-12-02 09:05:48] <nomic> leather strap
7075[2017-12-02 09:05:49] <HomieX> I had a flickr pal who used an old film TLR camera 
7076[2017-12-02 09:05:54] <HomieX> Did nice work too
7077[2017-12-02 09:06:04] — nomic looks up TLR
7078[2017-12-02 09:06:06] <HomieX> TLR = Twin lens reflex 
7079[2017-12-02 09:06:15] <nomic> i see .. 
7080[2017-12-02 09:06:59] <nomic> what subject (s) do you photograph HomieX 
7081[2017-12-02 09:07:05] <nomic> or subject
7082[2017-12-02 09:07:13] <nomic> in your work
7083[2017-12-02 09:08:09] <nomic> "Gates, for his part, rarely rose to the bait. In once exception, told by Walter Isaacson in his recent bio of Jobs, Jobs invited Gates to Apple's headquarters, and then berated Gates in front of 10 Apple employees for stealing the Mac interface for Windows. "You're ripping us off!' Jobs shouted at Gates. "I trusted you, and now you stealing from us!"
7084[2017-12-02 09:08:23] <nomic> gates : ""Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.""
7085[2017-12-02 09:09:07] <nomic> thats not true .. xerox bought into apple ($2m) .. .. jobs licensed xerox technology .. xerox had failed to produce a "pc"
7086[2017-12-02 09:09:21] <nomic> it was gates who stole from apple
7087[2017-12-02 09:09:26] <nomic> from xerox I mean
7088[2017-12-02 09:09:52] <nomic> the biggest advance of the last century, in computing, was achieved at xerox parc .. it wasn't the photocopier .. it wasn't the gui
7089[2017-12-02 09:10:16] <nomic> it all stemmed from one thing .. the mapping of screen memory to the main (processor memory) .. the singularisation of memory
7090[2017-12-02 09:10:26] <nomic> the screen was a peripheral before that
7091[2017-12-02 09:10:42] <nomic> the mapping of screen memory to the processor made everything possible .. made it possible to program a GUI
7092[2017-12-02 09:11:28] <nomic> the 2nd most important thing that arose out of xerox parc, was something called the "mead conway revolution" .. the production of chip/circuit designs on screen, the ability to design chips with a GUI, and then print the design (etching)
7093[2017-12-02 09:11:46] <nomic> the microprocessor explosion arose out of xerox parc (technology)
7094[2017-12-02 09:11:59] <nomic> conway being the designer of that chip gui
7095[2017-12-02 09:12:08] <nomic> so many things came out of xerox parc
7096[2017-12-02 09:12:21] — nomic read "dealers in lightning" .. the whole story .. last year
7097[2017-12-02 09:12:32] <HomieX> The suits running parc were morons 
7098[2017-12-02 09:13:01] <nomic> yeah .. they couldn't get anything to market .. they had all that technology & they only achieved the copier .. that was major
7099[2017-12-02 09:13:24] <HomieX> Typical American business 
7100[2017-12-02 09:13:24] <nomic> which arose out of "screen memory" .. the digital drum being screen mapping 
7101[2017-12-02 09:13:29] <nomic> wysiwyg
7102[2017-12-02 09:13:45] <HomieX> So much of our world is thanks to Steve Jobs 
7103[2017-12-02 09:13:50] <CosmicWitch> how do we know that Kate Steinle wouldnt be the next hitler?
7104[2017-12-02 09:13:52] <HomieX> Sure he was a total dick
7105[2017-12-02 09:13:54] <nomic> industrial light and magic is outta xerox parc..
7106[2017-12-02 09:14:00] <HomieX> but also had a creative mind 
7107[2017-12-02 09:14:08] <nomic> silicon graphics was formed by xerox parc employees
7108[2017-12-02 09:14:10] <CosmicWitch> I think that we will never know the true heroics of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate
7109[2017-12-02 09:14:11] <HomieX> with vision 
7110[2017-12-02 09:14:17] <CosmicWitch> Aka the Hero of San Francisco
7111[2017-12-02 09:14:21] <nomic> xerox parc spawned industries
7112[2017-12-02 09:14:32] <HomieX> Does parc still exist?
7113[2017-12-02 09:14:37] <nomic> palo alto
7114[2017-12-02 09:14:38] <nomic> yeah
7115[2017-12-02 09:15:09] <HomieX> A lot of companies like Atari and Commodore sold out to large corps 
7116[2017-12-02 09:15:10] <nomic> they offered the research group to harvard , but harvard people were too snobby to be involved in something that was "industrial"
7117[2017-12-02 09:15:38] <HomieX> The Amiga was a fucking amazing design, a game changer but they sold the company early on to Commdore
7118[2017-12-02 09:15:57] <nomic> xerox came out with so much, because the academics were given unlimited funds .. they were throwing huge parties -- huge pissups
7119[2017-12-02 09:16:14] <nomic> all related in that book .. right to the end .. they burnt up the last of the cash they got in "huge parties"
7120[2017-12-02 09:16:25] <nomic> it was productive .. they were a relaxed, happy lot
7121[2017-12-02 09:16:26] <nomic> hippies
7122[2017-12-02 09:16:42] <nomic> creative .. programming is art
7123[2017-12-02 09:16:45] <nomic> absolutely
7124[2017-12-02 09:16:46] <HomieX> The human spirit wants to create 
7125[2017-12-02 09:16:47] <nomic> it is writing
7126[2017-12-02 09:17:03] <HomieX> but it's often suppressed in our money making society 
7127[2017-12-02 09:17:07] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Fox's Dobbs Wants Obama Rounded Up By U.S. Marshals For Criticizing Trump Abroad <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/foxs-dobbs-wants-obama-rounded-us-marshals>
7128[2017-12-02 09:17:14] <nomic> i read "soul of new machine" .also, recently
7129[2017-12-02 09:17:33] <nomic> which is the story of the first 32 bit minicomputer, the design of .. what a fascinating book that was
7130[2017-12-02 09:18:01] <nomic> u get a lot of insights into design .. the books 'dealers in lightning' 'soul of new machine' based on interviews with alll the players ..
7131[2017-12-02 09:18:40] <nomic> how the system was invented .. the fact they had 2 processes .. building the machine (hard wired) .. and building the software (on the xisting mainframe) ... and the stages in between .. 
7132[2017-12-02 09:19:10] <HomieX> I lost interest in programming early on because I was bored with coding business reports, etc 
7133[2017-12-02 09:19:11] <nomic> 1st thing they ran on that 32 bit mini .. was "colossal cave adventure"
7134[2017-12-02 09:19:30] <HomieX> I think I'd still be in it if I was working on something cool like an OS 
7135[2017-12-02 09:20:42] <nomic> > <string>(509)threaddebug()->None (Pdb) 
7136[2017-12-02 09:21:39] <nomic> minicomputer companies were going bust in the 70s because they couldn't produce the machines fast enough
7137[2017-12-02 09:21:43] <nomic> they were getting overtaken
7138[2017-12-02 09:22:20] <nomic> the python debugger
7139[2017-12-02 09:22:28] <nomic> (Pdb)
7140[2017-12-02 09:22:39] — nomic crackles with the poweer
7141[2017-12-02 09:22:47] <nomic> must tea .. brb
7142[2017-12-02 09:23:08] <nomic> i wanna read soul of new machine again
7143[2017-12-02 09:23:29] <nomic> The Soul of a New Machine is a non-fiction book written by Tracy Kidder and published in 1981. It chronicles the experiences of a computer engineering team racing to design a next-generation computer at a blistering pace under tremendous pressure. The machine was launched in 1980 as the Data General Eclipse MV/8000. The book won the 1982 National Book Award for Nonfiction[1] and a Pulitzer Prize for General 
7144[2017-12-02 09:23:29] <nomic> Non-Fiction.
7145[2017-12-02 09:23:42] <nomic> i read it while @ 'tech college'
7146[2017-12-02 09:23:46] <nomic> studying computing
7147[2017-12-02 09:23:48] <nomic> it blew me awqy
7148[2017-12-02 09:23:52] <nomic> was EXCITED
7149[2017-12-02 09:23:58] <nomic> then i got my first job in a software house
7150[2017-12-02 09:24:00] <nomic> was EXCITED
7151[2017-12-02 09:25:14] <nomic> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soul_of_a_New_Machine#/media/File:The_soul_of_a_new_machine_--_book_cover.jpg
7152[2017-12-02 09:25:15] <rabble_bot> ^ The Soul of a New Machine - Wikipedia
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7159[2017-12-02 09:40:17] <nomic> i gotta have it all mapped out .. last week had to make fairly major change to something .. was working on android stuff .. was in bath .. i had the change .. every stage of it .. the design of improvement ... mapped out ... i went & typed it EXACTLY .. the str8forwardness of it ... that is why .. 'downtime' as important as sitting typing it in
7160[2017-12-02 09:40:19] <nomic> yeah
7161[2017-12-02 09:40:27] <nomic> i go for bike ride and advance stages
7162[2017-12-02 09:40:31] <nomic> i get outta the fking house
7163[2017-12-02 09:40:38] <nomic> alway s.. i walk past like .. a cutting
7164[2017-12-02 09:40:46] <nomic> always get solution in same place @ way back
7165[2017-12-02 09:40:48] <nomic> on way back
7166[2017-12-02 09:40:55] <nomic> but ..
7167[2017-12-02 09:40:58] <nomic> last couple days
7168[2017-12-02 09:41:02] <nomic> man u can't think in the cold
7169[2017-12-02 09:41:27] <nomic> ur whole mind is engaged more in operations, survival
7170[2017-12-02 09:41:50] <nomic> i gotta  fucking major shit stage now .. nxt stage .. 
7171[2017-12-02 09:41:55] <nomic> 1/4 done
7172[2017-12-02 09:42:38] <nomic> something i have been bouncing off for couple years now .. had even tried to write it purely in source without frame work .. the shit I have attempted
7173[2017-12-02 09:42:44] <nomic> but .. this editor is empowering
7174[2017-12-02 09:42:49] <nomic> the framework .. i got written in editor
7175[2017-12-02 09:42:51] <nomic> using editor
7176[2017-12-02 09:43:11] <nomic> man.. i used to rip shit apart .. i could utilise platforms in way nobody had thought of
7177[2017-12-02 09:43:25] <nomic> i still can 
7178[2017-12-02 09:44:42] <nomic> raaaaaaaaage
7179[2017-12-02 09:44:47] <HomieX> Where is the 3-D, V-R, HD IRC we were promised!!?? 
7180[2017-12-02 09:45:51] <JamGobbar> its here
7181[2017-12-02 09:45:52] <JamGobbar> i have it
7182[2017-12-02 09:45:58] <JamGobbar> but sorry not compatible with apple
7183[2017-12-02 09:46:06] <JamGobbar> since apple pcs are so weak they cant even run vr
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7186[2017-12-02 09:49:02] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQnYbsIT0o4
7187[2017-12-02 09:49:02] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - DA's Office Pays Themselves $3.25 Mil In Bonuses With Stolen Money :: Duration: 06:07
7188[2017-12-02 09:49:22] <HomieX> JamGobbar: Stop showing your ignorance 
7189[2017-12-02 09:50:05] <JamGobbar> show me your apple based vr system first 
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7191[2017-12-02 09:51:20] <nomic> apple = motorola
7192[2017-12-02 09:51:22] <nomic> still?
7193[2017-12-02 09:51:26] <JamGobbar> lol no
7194[2017-12-02 09:51:35] <JamGobbar> they' smartened up and went to intel
7195[2017-12-02 09:51:46] <JamGobbar> well jobs did
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7199[2017-12-02 09:54:09] <HomieX> Apple owns your ass 
7200[2017-12-02 09:54:27] <HomieX> Guess what, if Apple wants your land .. they show up with lawyers and toss your serf ass OUT. 
7201[2017-12-02 09:54:51] <HomieX> You're dog shit under their shiny corporate shoes 
7202[2017-12-02 09:55:24] <HomieX> JamGobbar: you're NOTHING!!!!
7203[2017-12-02 09:55:25] <HomieX> JamGobbar: you're NOTHING!!!!
7204[2017-12-02 09:55:25] <HomieX> JamGobbar: you're NOTHING!!!!
7205[2017-12-02 09:55:29] <JamGobbar> rofl
7206[2017-12-02 09:55:30] <JamGobbar> see
7207[2017-12-02 09:55:34] <JamGobbar> no apple vr exists
7208[2017-12-02 09:55:38] <nomic> when did they go to intel
7209[2017-12-02 09:55:44] <JamGobbar> they cant even make a computer capable of it
7210[2017-12-02 09:55:46] <HomieX> Many years ago
7211[2017-12-02 09:55:47] <nomic> was always motorola .. that was their thing
7212[2017-12-02 09:55:54] <nomic> ok
7213[2017-12-02 09:55:59] <humbot> 6502
7214[2017-12-02 09:56:04] <humbot> thas a long time ago
7215[2017-12-02 09:56:06] <HomieX> When they came out with OS X then went with INtel 
7216[2017-12-02 09:56:15] <HomieX> around ... 2000?
7217[2017-12-02 09:56:16] <JamGobbar> last smart thing they ever did
7218[2017-12-02 09:56:17] <humbot> power pc for the first few years of osx
7219[2017-12-02 09:56:30] <HomieX> Power PC = IBM 
7220[2017-12-02 09:56:44] <humbot> those curvy box G3s and G4s
7221[2017-12-02 09:56:45] <nomic> In November 2012, HP recorded a writedown of around $8.8 billion related to its acquisition a year earlier of the UK based Autonomy Corporation PLC. HP accused Autonomy of deliberately inflating the value of the company prior to its takeover. The former management team of Autonomy flatly rejected the charge.
7222[2017-12-02 09:57:22] <HomieX> Even back in the powerPC days Apple was way better than PC/Windows 
7223[2017-12-02 09:57:56] <JamGobbar> back then they were especially crappier than pc/windwos
7224[2017-12-02 09:58:08] <JamGobbar> going intel was by far the single best thing they ever did for themselves
7225[2017-12-02 09:58:23] <JamGobbar> shit they can thank their measly 12% market share right now for it
7226[2017-12-02 09:58:27] <JamGobbar> before that they had even less
7227[2017-12-02 09:58:48] <HomieX> https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/apple-vr-project/
7228[2017-12-02 09:58:49] <rabble_bot> ^ Apple VR Project: Apple's Secret Work on Virtual and Augmented Reality
7229[2017-12-02 09:59:51] <HomieX> JamGobbar is too damn stupid to see that Apple owns his pathetic worker ass 
7230[2017-12-02 10:00:02] <HomieX> OWNED
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7233[2017-12-02 10:00:14] <JamGobbar> rofl secret work
7234[2017-12-02 10:00:18] <JamGobbar> im talking about a retail product
7235[2017-12-02 10:00:22] <HomieX> Stamp a fucking barcode on your ass, you're OWNED 
7236[2017-12-02 10:00:26] <JamGobbar> in 3 years since the premior of the vive
7237[2017-12-02 10:00:33] <JamGobbar> still Zero point Zero from pathetic apple
7238[2017-12-02 10:00:33] <JamGobbar> lulz
7239[2017-12-02 10:00:45] <JamGobbar> s/premior/premier
7240[2017-12-02 10:01:19] <JamGobbar> the only way you can currently use apple hardware for vr is by using google cardboard i think
7241[2017-12-02 10:01:23] <JamGobbar> pretty pathetic
7242[2017-12-02 10:01:44] <humbot> 51:49 for the great tax cut bill
7243[2017-12-02 10:02:34] <JamGobbar> well hopefuly the dems can gut it after they get power back
7244[2017-12-02 10:02:46] <nomic> HP claim this resulted from "accounting improprieties, misrepresentations and disclosure failures" by the previous management, who in turn accuse HP of a "textbook example of defensive stalling"[62]:6 to conceal evidence of its own prior knowledge and gross mismanagement and undermining of the company, noting public awareness since 2009 of its financial reporting issues[62]:3 and that even HP's CFO disagreed with 
7245[2017-12-02 10:02:46] <nomic> the price paid.[61][62]:3–6 External observers generally state that only a small part of the write-off appears to be due to accounting mis-statements, and that HP had overpaid for businesses previously.[61][157]
7246[2017-12-02 10:03:23] <JamGobbar> you mean meg whitman isnt the amazing ceo after all?
7247[2017-12-02 10:03:23] <nomic> hp buys uk tech co. (autonomy) ... then examines it ... EIGHT BILLION WRITEDOWN
7248[2017-12-02 10:03:34] <nomic> 8.8 billion
7249[2017-12-02 10:03:36] <JamGobbar> what a shocker
7250[2017-12-02 10:03:43] <nomic> mis-representation .. 'disclosure failure'
7251[2017-12-02 10:03:46] <nomic> FRAUD
7252[2017-12-02 10:03:52] <nomic> just another UK i.t. fraud
7253[2017-12-02 10:03:58] <nomic> the business of fraud
7254[2017-12-02 10:04:22] <nomic> The Serious Fraud Office (United Kingdom), and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission joined the FBI in investigating the potential anomalies. HP incurred much damage with its stock falling to decades' low.[
7255[2017-12-02 10:04:31] <nomic> consequence of getting involved with the brits
7256[2017-12-02 10:04:42] <nomic> class action suit by hp shareholders
7257[2017-12-02 10:05:46] <nomic> On 3 October 2011 HP closed the deal, announcing that it had acquired around 87.3% of the shares for around $10.2 billion, and valuing the company at around $11.7 billion in total.[
7258[2017-12-02 10:05:48] <nomic> huge fraud
7259[2017-12-02 10:09:09] <nomic> "$8.8 BILLION accounting mistake"
7260[2017-12-02 10:16:02] <HomieX> JamGobbar: Watch your back, homie ... Tim Cooking is watching YOU. 
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7263[2017-12-02 10:17:17] <JamGobbar> tim cook is just figuring out how to abscond with more unpaid taxes to a tax haven island
7264[2017-12-02 10:17:21] <JamGobbar> hes got no time for the likes of me
7265[2017-12-02 10:17:21] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: New Yorkers Come Out To Tell Trump Exactly What They Think Of Him <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/new-yorkers-come-out-tell-trump-exactly>
7266[2017-12-02 10:17:51] <JamGobbar> Apple Computers: the largest company that pays the least taxes.
7267[2017-12-02 10:19:50] <HomieX> That's right, bitch! YOU pay the taxes not Apple 
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7269[2017-12-02 10:20:14] <HomieX> Bow down to your corporate OVERLORDS 
7270[2017-12-02 10:20:18] <HomieX> KNOW YOUR PLACE!
7271[2017-12-02 10:21:25] <HomieX> Woman gives birth to giant tumor she thought was baby...
7272[2017-12-02 10:21:27] <HomieX> Ack
7273[2017-12-02 10:22:26] — nomic just got given a gift
7274[2017-12-02 10:22:30] <nomic> cat brought me a live mouse
7275[2017-12-02 10:22:33] <nomic> released
7276[2017-12-02 10:22:37] <nomic> cats still looking for it
7277[2017-12-02 10:22:56] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr2UxYcPOq0
7278[2017-12-02 10:22:57] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Fox Snowflakes Can't Handle This Anti-Trump Ad :: Duration: 04:41
7279[2017-12-02 10:23:04] <nomic> last mouse (last week) .. scurried off fast .. this one was a bit battered .. sort of staggered off 
7280[2017-12-02 10:23:09] <nomic> after biting my thumb
7281[2017-12-02 10:23:13] <nomic> tried hard to break skin
7282[2017-12-02 10:23:19] <nomic> wasn't that battered
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7285[2017-12-02 10:24:15] <nomic> tiny little brown mouse .. field mouse
7286[2017-12-02 10:24:23] <nomic> lucky it was
7287[2017-12-02 10:24:29] <nomic> last 1 ran into 1 of my slippers
7288[2017-12-02 10:24:50] <nomic> this 1 i just trapped by wall .. didn't help .. battered a bit more .. was trying to ward cat off
7289[2017-12-02 10:25:05] <nomic> cats still looking for it
7290[2017-12-02 10:25:31] <nomic> lst 1 .. she started batting about happily .. mewling at me .. xpecting me to join in
7291[2017-12-02 10:25:38] <nomic> she thinks i am another cat (of course)
7292[2017-12-02 10:26:07] <nomic> lets beat this mouse up and then destroy it .. fun fun fun
7293[2017-12-02 10:26:44] <HomieX> Ok I'm out 
7294[2017-12-02 10:26:45] <nomic> def from outside .. none in here
7295[2017-12-02 10:26:54] <nomic> is full moon .. prime hunting time
7296[2017-12-02 10:26:55] <HomieX> JamGobbar: Accept Apple as your masters 
7297[2017-12-02 10:27:00] <nomic> nite homiex.
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7299[2017-12-02 10:27:17] <nomic> black mice = house mouse
7300[2017-12-02 10:27:23] <nomic> grey/brown = field mouse
7301[2017-12-02 10:27:28] <nomic> rich brown = vole
7302[2017-12-02 10:27:29] <nomic> i think
7303[2017-12-02 10:27:34] <nomic> voles are quite rare
7304[2017-12-02 10:27:51] <nomic> destroyer of wildlife
7305[2017-12-02 10:27:56] <nomic> she GETS FED
7306[2017-12-02 10:28:07] <nomic> hunting purely for entertainment (like humans)
7307[2017-12-02 10:29:36] <troy_cambridge> https://www.facebook.com/WorkingFamilies/videos/vb.17432811417/10155629719546418/?type=3&theater
7308[2017-12-02 10:29:37] <rabble_bot> ^ We’re here in Foley Square, Manhattan... - Working Families Party
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7310[2017-12-02 10:43:50] <nomic> Former police officers who leaked claims computer owned by Damian Green had thousands of porn images are entering 'dangerous territory', warns ex-chief constable 
7311[2017-12-02 10:43:55] <nomic> damian green= deputy PM
7312[2017-12-02 10:43:59] <nomic> calls police liars
7313[2017-12-02 10:44:11] <nomic> was his office computer
7314[2017-12-02 10:45:11] <nomic> Yesterday it emerged that David Davis has made clear he is ready to quit if Damian Green is sacked.  .. david davis = brexit secretary
7315[2017-12-02 10:45:41] <nomic> MPs are required to sign an 'acceptable use policy' for computers at parliament.
7316[2017-12-02 10:47:43] <nomic> damian green chaired prime ministers questions last wednesday
7317[2017-12-02 10:47:49] <nomic> yet to watch it
7318[2017-12-02 10:48:03] <nomic> theresa may is on a tour .. i think she was in iraq this week
7319[2017-12-02 10:48:24] <nomic> Prime minister meets UK troops and Haider al-Abadi as government promises extra £10m to help fight Islamic State
7320[2017-12-02 10:48:29] <nomic> Theresa May has become the first British prime minister to visit Iraq since 2008, touring a military base near Baghdad and holding talks with her counterpart while promising to increase UK efforts to boost the fight against Islamic State.
7321[2017-12-02 10:48:48] <nomic> “As we deal with Daesh it’s not just about military action that is taken. It’s about addressing the terrorist threat across a whole range of aspects we need to deal with, including, for example, access to the internet,” she said.
7322[2017-12-02 10:48:53] <nomic> they call it daesh now (finally)
7323[2017-12-02 10:48:57] <nomic> 'those who offend'
7324[2017-12-02 10:49:03] <nomic> why don't they call it "CIA"
7325[2017-12-02 10:49:23] <nomic> someone said .. somewhere, was reading ... 'islamic state never attacks israel'
7326[2017-12-02 10:50:13] <nomic> 2016: "The Islamic State terror group published an article explaining why it does not attack the Jewish state, arguing that the Palestinian issue should not get preferential treatment."  "On March 15, the Islamic State weekly newspaper al-Naba ran a story entitled, “Beit Al-Maqdis [Jerusalem]…First and Foremost an Issue of Shari’a Law,” in which the terror group justified its lack of attacks on Is
7327[2017-12-02 10:50:14] <nomic> rael to the wider Muslim community."
7328[2017-12-02 10:50:27] <nomic> could be another reason
7329[2017-12-02 10:50:42] <nomic> islamic state source = CIA .. control / support = CIA
7330[2017-12-02 10:51:55] <nomic> here we go ... much uproar this week .. trump tweeted in support of "britain first"
7331[2017-12-02 10:52:08] <nomic> Britain First is a far-right[9][10][11][12] and nationalist[2] British political organisation formed in 2011 by former members of the British National Party (BNP).[11] It was founded by Jim Dowson, an anti-abortion campaigner linked to Ulster loyalist groups in Northern Ireland. The organisation's leader is former BNP councillor Paul Golding,[9] and its deputy leader is Jayda Fransen.[13]
7332[2017-12-02 10:52:15] <nomic> greatly helping them
7333[2017-12-02 10:52:39] <nomic> In the age of Trump, it’s time to ditch the special relationship https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/01/donald-trump-theresa-may-special-relationship-hate-filled-tweets
7334[2017-12-02 10:52:40] <rabble_bot> ^ In the age of Trump, it’s time to ditch the special relationship | Jonathan Freedland | Opinion | The Guardian
7335[2017-12-02 10:53:13] <nomic> "That question has pressed in on Britain particularly sharply this week, after Trump retweeted three inflammatory and unverified anti-Muslim videos shared by the deputy leader of the Britain First group, a faction of the far right so far off the spectrum that an unfamiliar chorus of voices united to condemn the president for legitimising its message. Even Nigel Farage and the conspiracy-theorist headbangers of 
7336[2017-12-02 10:53:14] <nomic> America’s Infowars website could not defend him."
7337[2017-12-02 10:53:35] <nomic> trumps press secretary "he was unaware who 'britain first'" are 
7338[2017-12-02 10:53:37] <nomic> how careless
7339[2017-12-02 10:53:49] <nomic> he is so arrogant -- he will not revert ..
7340[2017-12-02 10:54:11] <nomic> Archbishop of Canterbury urges Trump to remove his Britain First retweets and says they are un-Christian
7341[2017-12-02 10:54:21] <nomic> = head of british establishment church
7342[2017-12-02 10:54:32] <nomic> trump leaves all the shit on his crapfeed
7343[2017-12-02 10:54:38] <nomic> spelling mistakes .. insult
7344[2017-12-02 10:54:59] <nomic> insults .. hes unbelievable .. its crazy, gothic .. we do not live in advanced times ... civilisation has regressed
7345[2017-12-02 10:55:20] — nomic consideres a strong coffeez.
7346[2017-12-02 10:56:03] <xau> Well done Church of England.
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7350[2017-12-02 11:04:03] <nomic> justin welby reminds me of goebbels
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7353[2017-12-02 11:06:15] <nomic> The party's structure is similar to that of Ulster loyalist groups in Northern Ireland, insofar as the group has a political wing backed up by a paramilitary action force (named "Britain First Defence Force"). The action force's members assume titles such as "provost marshal", and a document written by Jim Dowson said that "I have lived in the worst trouble spots of Belfast; I have had high powered machine gun 
7354[2017-12-02 11:06:15] <nomic> fire rip bricks from my house and have been injured by grenade attack. Sometimes we had to defend our homes from the traditional enemy, other times from the forces of the state, the police and army."[10]
7355[2017-12-02 11:06:20] <nomic> (britain first)
7356[2017-12-02 11:06:40] <nomic> hmm .. I heard them talk about that (her video, jayda frantzen) .. talking about 'direct action'
7357[2017-12-02 11:07:07] <nomic> so trump promotes right wing paramilitaries, here
7358[2017-12-02 11:07:12] <nomic> its fking unbelievable
7359[2017-12-02 11:07:33] <nomic> he does not give a shit
7360[2017-12-02 11:07:43] <nomic> what he says, who he offends -- he is getting worse and worse
7361[2017-12-02 11:07:51] <nomic> destabilising by the month
7362[2017-12-02 11:07:57] <Nelluk> https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/937025281705107456
7363[2017-12-02 11:07:59] <rabble_bot> ^ Marc E. Elias on Twitter: "It appears the president just confessed to a crime on twitter. He asked Comey to back off Flynn knowing Flynn had lied to the FBI.… https://t.co/ievPnPAJo4"
7364[2017-12-02 11:08:57] <Nelluk> Comey at it again https://twitter.com/Comey/status/937032650723876864
7365[2017-12-02 11:08:58] <rabble_bot> ^ James Comey on Twitter: "Beautiful Long Island Sound from Westport, CT. To paraphrase the Buddha — Three things cannot… https://t.co/FFImOB8Wcq"
7366[2017-12-02 11:09:02] <Nelluk> 'To paraphrase the Buddha — Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun; the moon; and the truth. '
7367[2017-12-02 11:10:38] <humbot> didn't Colin Powell say that ?
7368[2017-12-02 11:11:10] <nomic> Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html
7369[2017-12-02 11:11:12] <Nelluk> couldnt tell ya
7370[2017-12-02 11:11:14] <rabble_bot> ^ Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation - The New York Times
7371[2017-12-02 11:12:33] <JamGobbar> lol
7372[2017-12-02 11:17:56] — nomic worried about jeet
7373[2017-12-02 11:18:02] <nomic> where is jeet
7374[2017-12-02 11:18:10] <Nelluk> he also got banned from ##substance
7375[2017-12-02 11:18:17] <nomic> ah
7376[2017-12-02 11:18:29] <humbot> bastards
7377[2017-12-02 11:27:09] <humbot> https://imgur.com/gallery/vcIhhXn
7378[2017-12-02 11:27:40] <humbot> err https://imgur.com/gallery/vclhhXn
7379[2017-12-02 11:27:41] <rabble_bot> ^ Isn't this the definition of corruption? - Meme on Imgur
7380[2017-12-02 11:27:50] <humbot> MEME
7381[2017-12-02 11:32:37] <DilloMeister> America’s Military-Industrial Addiction - https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/01/americas-military-industrial-addiction/
7382[2017-12-02 11:32:39] <rabble_bot> ^ America’s Military-Industrial Addiction – Consortiumnews
7383[2017-12-02 11:40:28] <humbot> you need to watch this 100 times https://imgur.com/gallery/vclhhXn
7384[2017-12-02 11:40:28] <rabble_bot> ^ Isn't this the definition of corruption? - Meme on Imgur
7385[2017-12-02 11:40:33] <humbot> oops
7386[2017-12-02 11:40:57] <humbot> https://imgur.com/gallery/5mhAWQ2
7387[2017-12-02 11:40:57] <rabble_bot> ^ dream job (but not very) - GIF on Imgur
7388[2017-12-02 11:53:44] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: There Is Nothing Roy Moore Could Do To Lose Amy Kremer <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/there-nothing-roy-moore-could-do-lose-amy>
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7391[2017-12-02 12:03:39] <moriarty> http://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/Stanford-University-data-glitch-exposes-truth-12396695.php
7392[2017-12-02 12:03:39] <rabble_bot> ^ Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships - San Francisco Chronicle
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7394[2017-12-02 12:05:39] <humbot> pled: North American, Scottish, or dialect past participle of plead
7395[2017-12-02 12:06:42] <humbot> i gay byg P
7396[2017-12-02 12:07:36] <nomic> fking hanndle hsa come off stock pot
7397[2017-12-02 12:07:38] <nomic> leaving holes
7398[2017-12-02 12:07:43] <nomic> have had to order another
7399[2017-12-02 12:08:12] <nomic> i just gone up
7400[2017-12-02 12:08:14] <nomic> was 8.5l
7401[2017-12-02 12:08:15] <nomic> mine
7402[2017-12-02 12:08:18] <nomic> 11 litre
7403[2017-12-02 12:08:32] <nomic> will help ... cos .. the spill over is .. thats whats wrecked the cooker
7404[2017-12-02 12:08:49] <nomic> wfking bad day
7405[2017-12-02 12:08:54] <nomic> £140.
7406[2017-12-02 12:08:58] <nomic> 3 points on license
7407[2017-12-02 12:09:15] <nomic> course i have the option to go on a "speed awareness course (£100)" .. meaning i don't get points
7408[2017-12-02 12:09:17] <nomic> fk that
7409[2017-12-02 12:09:22] <nomic> trawling all way over to a town
7410[2017-12-02 12:09:26] <nomic> sit in a fking class
7411[2017-12-02 12:09:31] <nomic> fk that
7412[2017-12-02 12:09:36] <nomic> wearies me
7413[2017-12-02 12:10:02] <nomic> i am aware i was going too fast. ... there is pain .. fking wallet .. fking pissed off
7414[2017-12-02 12:10:12] <nomic> i woulda been speeding if they hadn't fked my day up (no satnav)
7415[2017-12-02 12:10:30] <nomic> so .. that'll do shitloead of stew .. lemme think
7416[2017-12-02 12:10:36] <nomic> mebbe will put more chicken in
7417[2017-12-02 12:10:50] <nomic> yeah .. il start buying 2 bags of chicken, freeze half a bag
7418[2017-12-02 12:10:59] <nomic> put 1.5 bags into the stew
7419[2017-12-02 12:11:33] <JamGobbar> 1.5lbs of marijuana in the stew
7420[2017-12-02 12:11:36] <JamGobbar> for maximum fun
7421[2017-12-02 12:11:43] <nomic> i don't think so
7422[2017-12-02 12:11:55] <nomic> my druggy days are over .. am hugely damaged
7423[2017-12-02 12:12:06] <nomic> i despise drugs / culture
7424[2017-12-02 12:12:18] <JamGobbar> sure hard drugs
7425[2017-12-02 12:12:20] <JamGobbar> but pot?
7426[2017-12-02 12:12:21] <JamGobbar> really?
7427[2017-12-02 12:12:28] <nomic> pot hs wrecked me
7428[2017-12-02 12:12:32] <nomic> i dont want to talk about it
7429[2017-12-02 12:12:36] <JamGobbar> wow
7430[2017-12-02 12:12:52] <JamGobbar> i never met anyone ruined by pot
7431[2017-12-02 12:12:59] <nomic> soapbar cannabis
7432[2017-12-02 12:13:02] <nomic> lungs are fked
7433[2017-12-02 12:13:05] <nomic> am hypertensive
7434[2017-12-02 12:13:09] <JamGobbar> damn
7435[2017-12-02 12:13:13] <nomic> i want nothing at all to do with drugs, ever again
7436[2017-12-02 12:13:16] <JamGobbar> i stopped smoking half a decade ago
7437[2017-12-02 12:13:23] <JamGobbar> now i only vape it
7438[2017-12-02 12:14:07] <nomic> im just over it
7439[2017-12-02 12:15:03] <nomic> i think back .. it just distresses me
7440[2017-12-02 12:15:08] <nomic> drug people / drugs
7441[2017-12-02 12:16:11] <nomic> hs probably taken a fking decade off life
7442[2017-12-02 12:16:24] <nomic> gotta fking stick to diet now .. things trip me .. the cooker broke .. I got beer
7443[2017-12-02 12:16:31] <nomic> got the wrong chicken .. couldn't do it
7444[2017-12-02 12:16:32] <nomic> boned
7445[2017-12-02 12:16:33] <nomic> got beer
7446[2017-12-02 12:16:45] <nomic> seedy .. am just fking nihilistic
7447[2017-12-02 12:16:55] <nomic> gotta start seeing this software .. get to the positive
7448[2017-12-02 12:17:18] <nomic> removed some shit today .. every day i fix or code something .. cos its becoming easier (the editor)
7449[2017-12-02 12:17:31] <nomic> nxt stage = huge
7450[2017-12-02 12:17:35] <nomic> this shit runs on android / pc
7451[2017-12-02 12:17:46] <nomic> rewrote the android stuff last week
7452[2017-12-02 12:17:49] <nomic> v productive week
7453[2017-12-02 12:18:03] <nomic> week before this (last week)
7454[2017-12-02 12:20:26] <nomic> soapbar cannabis = the worst, polluted shit
7455[2017-12-02 12:20:28] <nomic> dust
7456[2017-12-02 12:20:51] <nomic> yeah .. welcome to the lower classes nomic
7457[2017-12-02 12:20:57] <nomic> what a fantastic time that was
7458[2017-12-02 12:24:23] <nomic> code will just flow .. when i am ready .. stuff unrelated this week, I was just destroying
7459[2017-12-02 12:24:53] <nomic> if i aint writing it, it's because I need more time to work it out (don't know what to type)
7460[2017-12-02 12:25:20] <nomic> all this week, has been removal of complication around the problem .. anything to distract ..
7461[2017-12-02 12:25:46] — nomic chks the androis stuff still runs
7462[2017-12-02 12:25:58] <nomic> k
7463[2017-12-02 12:26:21] <nomic> android rocks man
7464[2017-12-02 12:26:40] <nomic> is solid .. minimal .. something microshit never got .. their biggest mistake was trying to continually re-market the plain gui
7465[2017-12-02 12:26:51] <nomic> essentially .. why it is a f*cking mess in 2017
7466[2017-12-02 12:27:15] <humbot> okay 
7467[2017-12-02 12:27:21] <nomic> stuff like "two control panels" .. huge differences in the look of windows .. all over .. they couldn't decide .. now it's 1/2 and half .. they have 
7468[2017-12-02 12:27:29] <humbot> you want to make a phone OS out of linux and java
7469[2017-12-02 12:27:33] <nomic> things they haven't converted to 'metro' .. etc .. did metro even work to start with
7470[2017-12-02 12:27:33] <humbot> crazy man
7471[2017-12-02 12:27:40] <nomic> ?
7472[2017-12-02 12:27:42] <nomic> me?
7473[2017-12-02 12:28:13] <humbot> i just don't understand why they thought it was a good idea
7474[2017-12-02 12:28:17] <humbot> but it worked :D
7475[2017-12-02 12:29:02] <nomic> well .. the chairperson of apple .. said that the problem with microshit is that they tried to "make a fridge a toaster" .. or a toaster a fridge .. the fridge being the pc , & the toaster = mobile .. they can't integrate.. it can't be one OS
7476[2017-12-02 12:29:08] <nomic> it hasn't organically developed
7477[2017-12-02 12:29:19] <nomic> of course, they forced the 'mobile interface' onto the pc user
7478[2017-12-02 12:29:31] <nomic> horrible fking buggy beta was windows 10
7479[2017-12-02 12:30:02] <humbot> don't think i've ever seen it
7480[2017-12-02 12:30:02] <nomic> In April 2012, Apple CEO Tim Cook offered this opinion of tablet–laptop hybrids: "You can converge a toaster and a refrigerator, but those things are probably not gonna be pleasing to the user."
7481[2017-12-02 12:30:15] <nomic> hes talking about win 10
7482[2017-12-02 12:30:33] <humbot> the surface ?
7483[2017-12-02 12:30:38] <nomic> win 10, the surface
7484[2017-12-02 12:30:39] <Geronimo> hola
7485[2017-12-02 12:30:46] <nomic> = the os for pc/mobile, the same
7486[2017-12-02 12:30:47] <humbot> aloha
7487[2017-12-02 12:30:51] <nomic> "universal windows platform"
7488[2017-12-02 12:30:54] <Geronimo> how are you doing?
7489[2017-12-02 12:31:11] <humbot> i'm not as crazy as brexit :D
7490[2017-12-02 12:31:16] <Geronimo> oh
7491[2017-12-02 12:31:31] <nomic> look forward to the may "triumph" "we have a deal"
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7493[2017-12-02 12:32:23] <nomic>  gove pisses me off .. always smiling
7494[2017-12-02 12:32:28] <nomic> horrible bloke
7495[2017-12-02 12:32:36] <nomic> looks like the kid on the cover of mad magazine
7496[2017-12-02 12:32:58] <Nelluk> does his name rhyme with 'dove' or 'stove'
7497[2017-12-02 12:33:18] <nomic> https://httpsak-a.akamaihd.net/2540076170001/2540076170001_5515818221001_5515812064001-vs.jpg?pubId=2540076170001&videoId=5515812064001
7498[2017-12-02 12:33:26] <nomic> rhymes with "c*nt"
7499[2017-12-02 12:33:50] <nomic> https://www.businessgreen.com/w-images/0729267a-b3c8-4e70-8834-ae57de38ff51/1/michaelgoveoutside10downingstreetcrop-580x358.jpeg
7500[2017-12-02 12:34:05] <nomic> even worse, boris johnson with his stupid hair
7501[2017-12-02 12:34:21] <nomic> https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/6/8/1339154550889/Boris-Johnson-at-Shaftebu-001.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=1b871df3d00d50da3792f380870d8889
7502[2017-12-02 12:34:27] <nomic> i fking despise them all
7503[2017-12-02 12:35:15] <nomic> w.t.f.  https://neilbeynon.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/borisonjohnson460.jpg
7504[2017-12-02 12:35:45] <Nelluk> how is your hair
7505[2017-12-02 12:36:07] <nomic> need to buzz cut it
7506[2017-12-02 12:36:28] <nomic> hows your neluk
7507[2017-12-02 12:37:28] <Nelluk> holding up pretty well
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7509[2017-12-02 12:53:41] <nomic> fking .. kitchen is DESTROYED .. but i have 8 litres of stew .. cool on the hob
7510[2017-12-02 12:53:45] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Trump Admits He Obstructed Justice In This Tweet <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/trump-admits-he-obstructed-justice-tweet>
7511[2017-12-02 12:53:49] <nomic> and a bowl of it here .. hot
7512[2017-12-02 12:54:31] <troy_cambridge> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvUgGKNFtCo
7513[2017-12-02 12:54:32] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - The Truth About The Irish Famine - Documentary :: Duration: 01:32:33
7514[2017-12-02 12:54:51] <nomic> my close ancestors
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7517[2017-12-02 12:55:12] <nomic> truth was the govt of the time deliberately starved the irish
7518[2017-12-02 12:55:16] <moriarty> http://mailchi.mp/2b465b061dd6/december-2017-clients?e=c3de06547c - for those of you who are working
7519[2017-12-02 12:55:17] <rabble_bot> ^ Holiday Season is Here! Get Ready for the End of Year.
7520[2017-12-02 12:55:18] <nomic> there were ships of food going out of ireland
7521[2017-12-02 12:55:29] <moriarty> implications for US worker from the tax bill passed
7522[2017-12-02 12:55:29] <troy_cambridge> They did .  As did the wealthy.
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7525[2017-12-02 12:56:06] <troy_cambridge> almost none.
7526[2017-12-02 12:56:17] <nomic> Boris Johnson denounces Britain First as 'hateful' but fails to mention Trump retweeting them
7527[2017-12-02 12:56:24] <nomic> cos he's soft .. he and may are soft on trump
7528[2017-12-02 12:56:25] <troy_cambridge> there will be very little change for workers.
7529[2017-12-02 12:56:38] <nomic> that "special relationship" .. trump has promised may "a deal like no other"
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7532[2017-12-02 12:56:51] <nomic> in the trade deal that'll have to be negotiated (brexit)
7533[2017-12-02 12:57:20] <nomic> britain first are a right wing paramilitary group .. trumps tweets effectively supporting them, stand
7534[2017-12-02 12:57:47] <nomic> this is like theresa may aiding the KKK
7535[2017-12-02 12:58:07] <nomic> world of trump .. trumps press secretary said he had no idea who 'britain first' were .. but the tweets stand
7536[2017-12-02 12:58:28] <nomic> 'britain first' are delighted .. 1000s of new associates .. couldn't pay for the advertising
7537[2017-12-02 12:58:33] <nomic> the fking potus supports them
7538[2017-12-02 12:58:50] <Geronimo> haha
7539[2017-12-02 12:59:05] <nomic> trump is getting crazier and crazier by the  month
7540[2017-12-02 12:59:07] <nomic> noticed?
7541[2017-12-02 12:59:23] <nomic> fk knows what it'll look like in 3 years if he isn't somehow impeached
7542[2017-12-02 12:59:51] <nomic> he'll be throwing turds, smeared in it
7543[2017-12-02 13:00:33] <nomic> yes.. ok taste this .. 6 beef stock cubes it has in it .. not too much salt
7544[2017-12-02 13:01:45] <nomic> this = the meal of my youth .. and it's the meal of the irish .. its 'scouse'
7545[2017-12-02 13:01:48] <nomic> 'lobscouse'
7546[2017-12-02 13:02:06] <nomic> which the name "scouse" -- for people from liverpool is from
7547[2017-12-02 13:02:22] <humbot> while donald waves britain first in front of your faces,
7548[2017-12-02 13:02:28] <nomic> Scouse is a type of lamb or beef stew. The word comes from "Lobscouse",[1] a stew commonly eaten by sailors throughout Northern Europe, which became popular in seaports such as Liverpool.
7549[2017-12-02 13:02:32] <nomic> is mainly potato
7550[2017-12-02 13:02:37] <humbot> gove and rees-mogg have both met bannon this week
7551[2017-12-02 13:03:00] <nomic> thought bannon was out of it
7552[2017-12-02 13:03:05] <humbot> ahead of the flynn announcement
7553[2017-12-02 13:03:07] <humbot> no
7554[2017-12-02 13:03:20] <humbot> he is still helping to spend robert mercer's money
7555[2017-12-02 13:03:55] <nomic> fking rees mogg - another one I can't stand
7556[2017-12-02 13:04:01] <nomic> rees mogg is a freak
7557[2017-12-02 13:04:20] <humbot> even he managed to call out the corrupt fucking met
7558[2017-12-02 13:04:48] <humbot> coming out of retirement to say they once saw some naughty pics on an MPs hard-drive
7559[2017-12-02 13:06:03] <nomic> oxo cubes .. 6 oxo cubes
7560[2017-12-02 13:06:36] <nomic> this will be easy .. ths nxst stage .. it ssuch a big stage
7561[2017-12-02 13:06:38] <nomic> trepidation
7562[2017-12-02 13:06:40] <nomic> thats wy
7563[2017-12-02 13:06:48] <nomic> prepearation .. i have been writing shit to make this so easy
7564[2017-12-02 13:07:09] <nomic> ive shut up now
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7567[2017-12-02 13:08:27] <humbot> WHERE IS JEET
7568[2017-12-02 13:08:50] <nomic> yeah
7569[2017-12-02 13:09:06] <TuckFrump> Jeet is dead
7570[2017-12-02 13:09:16] — humbot sobs
7571[2017-12-02 13:09:20] — nomic sobs
7572[2017-12-02 13:09:59] <Geronimo> who is jeet?
7573[2017-12-02 13:09:59] <TuckFrump> Wigga lost it and capped himself. 
7574[2017-12-02 13:10:32] <TuckFrump> Geronimo: Did you find Hitler's grave yet?
7575[2017-12-02 13:10:45] <Geronimo> yes, it's in my backyard
7576[2017-12-02 13:10:54] <Geronimo> we used to drink yerba mate
7577[2017-12-02 13:11:00] <Geronimo> and laugh at the yankees 
7578[2017-12-02 13:11:13] <TuckFrump> yerba?
7579[2017-12-02 13:11:21] <Geronimo> yes, stupid asshole
7580[2017-12-02 13:11:40] — nomic checks his bank acct. with some trpidation
7581[2017-12-02 13:11:56] <TuckFrump> Tone it down, nazi
7582[2017-12-02 13:12:12] <Geronimo> listen fucking piece of shit
7583[2017-12-02 13:12:19] <Geronimo> I will speak as I please
7584[2017-12-02 13:12:46] <TuckFrump> Bring it down a few notches 
7585[2017-12-02 13:13:03] <Geronimo> the NASA got to the moon thanks to the Nazis
7586[2017-12-02 13:13:08] <Geronimo> didn't you know that?
7587[2017-12-02 13:13:29] <TuckFrump> Did they?
7588[2017-12-02 13:13:42] <Geronimo> yes, also 911 was an inside job
7589[2017-12-02 13:13:56] <TuckFrump> No shit Sherlock 
7590[2017-12-02 13:14:06] <Geronimo> killing your own people ewww
7591[2017-12-02 13:14:34] <Geronimo> go Trump!
7592[2017-12-02 13:14:48] <TuckFrump> Sick nazi fucks did it and blamed it on muslims 
7593[2017-12-02 13:14:59] <Geronimo> right
7594[2017-12-02 13:15:10] <Geronimo> well, I blame the yankees for all of this mess
7595[2017-12-02 13:15:19] <TuckFrump> War on terror will never end 
7596[2017-12-02 13:15:29] <Geronimo> blaming the russians and non-existent nazis
7597[2017-12-02 13:15:37] <Geronimo> pfft
7598[2017-12-02 13:15:38] <Geronimo> loser
7599[2017-12-02 13:15:40] <nomic> Did Trump just admit something he shouldn't have in his tweet about Michael Flynn's guilty plea? Washington Post 27m ago
7600[2017-12-02 13:15:45] <TuckFrump> eternal warfare 
7601[2017-12-02 13:15:46] <Geronimo> you are a creator of wars
7602[2017-12-02 13:15:52] <Geronimo> fucking nazi you are
7603[2017-12-02 13:15:55] <Geronimo> I hate you
7604[2017-12-02 13:16:16] <TuckFrump> I hate you
7605[2017-12-02 13:16:32] <Geronimo> good
7606[2017-12-02 13:16:49] <TuckFrump> Argentina is a nazi state
7607[2017-12-02 13:17:18] <Geronimo> if we are, USA is a Nazi state times 10
7608[2017-12-02 13:17:53] <TuckFrump> Sort of but not exactly 
7609[2017-12-02 13:18:00] <Geronimo> kind of, but no
7610[2017-12-02 13:18:12] <TuckFrump> Corporate oligarchy more like it
7611[2017-12-02 13:18:38] <Geronimo> I hope they eat your lunch, loser
7612[2017-12-02 13:18:40] <TuckFrump> No great leader hete
7613[2017-12-02 13:18:46] <TuckFrump> here
7614[2017-12-02 13:19:05] <TuckFrump> just buffoon puppets like Trump
7615[2017-12-02 13:19:21] <Geronimo> making millions while you are on IRC
7616[2017-12-02 13:19:43] <CosmicWitch> Americans are the real nazis
7617[2017-12-02 13:19:47] <TuckFrump> Voting themselves tax breaks 
7618[2017-12-02 13:20:32] <Geronimo> I vote for you to fuck off
7619[2017-12-02 13:21:00] <TuckFrump> "16:18 | <Geronimo> I hope they eat your lunch, loser"
7620[2017-12-02 13:21:20] <TuckFrump> A lot of hostility in this one 
7621[2017-12-02 13:22:02] <TuckFrump> Geronimo has turned to the dark side of the FORCE
7622[2017-12-02 13:22:10] <Geronimo> muehehe
7623[2017-12-02 13:22:13] <Geronimo> <- evil
7624[2017-12-02 13:23:53] <TuckFrump> Are Argentinean girls hot?  
7625[2017-12-02 13:25:03] <humbot> oof
7626[2017-12-02 13:26:18] <Geronimo> go Trump!
7627[2017-12-02 13:26:22] <TuckFrump> Heil Humbot 
7628[2017-12-02 13:27:14] <TuckFrump> I agree, Trump has gotta go.
7629[2017-12-02 13:27:26] <humbot> where is Kislyak now ?
7630[2017-12-02 13:27:44] <humbot> businessinsider.com uses "pleaded" :)
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7634[2017-12-02 13:32:40] <nomic> germans would answer the phone with "heil hitler"
7635[2017-12-02 13:32:52] <nomic> or was that put the phone down .. was like a greeting "good day"
7636[2017-12-02 13:32:59] <nomic> the propaganda infiltrated everything
7637[2017-12-02 13:33:05] <nomic> all watching each other
7638[2017-12-02 13:33:51] <nomic> The salute became an ordinary way of life.[37] Postmen used the greeting when they knocked on people's doors to deliver packages or letters.[37] Small metal signs that reminded people to use the Hitler salute were displayed in public squares and on telephone poles and street lights throughout Germany.[38] Department store clerks greeted customers with "Heil Hitler, how may I help you?"
7639[2017-12-02 13:36:49] <humbot> facking natters
7640[2017-12-02 13:37:22] <TuckFrump> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/business/republican-tax-cut.html?link_id=5&can_id=e6d8c2158075d7e6b6162ca4ce1f8b57&source=email-fwd-disgraceful-3&email_referrer=email_270506&email_subject=fwd-disgraceful
7641[2017-12-02 13:37:23] <rabble_bot> ^ It Started as a Tax Cut. Now It Could Change American Life. - The New York Times
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7643[2017-12-02 13:38:04] <humbot> winning
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7647[2017-12-02 13:43:02] <humbot> mercer owns cambridge analytica too
7648[2017-12-02 13:49:28] <nomic> wot os do u run humbot
7649[2017-12-02 13:50:36] — nomic pencis humbot in as a windows user
7650[2017-12-02 13:50:47] <nomic> lightly
7651[2017-12-02 13:51:55] — nomic uses eraser 2 erase .. pencils in 'unknown'
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7654[2017-12-02 13:52:13] <nomic> ac-tu-ally
7655[2017-12-02 13:52:18] <nomic> 'unk' .. 
7656[2017-12-02 13:52:23] <nomic> hi kish u doing ok
7657[2017-12-02 13:52:25] <nomic> still alive
7658[2017-12-02 13:54:12] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Greg Gutfeld Downplays Gen. Flynn's Conviction To Winning A 'Crockpot' Instead Of A 'New Car' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/greg-gutfeld-downplays-gen-flynns>
7659[2017-12-02 14:00:50] <JamGobbar> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-tweet-suggests-he-knew-flynn-had-lied-fbi-time-n825936 <<=---- he fucking knew
7660[2017-12-02 14:00:51] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump tweet suggests he knew Flynn had lied to FBI at time of firing - NBC News
7661[2017-12-02 14:01:18] <JamGobbar> he knew flynn was trying to cover up for him, and he still canned him
7662[2017-12-02 14:02:49] <JamGobbar> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/opinion/editorials/a-historic-tax-heist.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
7663[2017-12-02 14:02:53] <rabble_bot> ^ A Historic Tax Heist - The New York Times
7664[2017-12-02 14:03:07] <JamGobbar> With barely a vote to spare early Saturday morning, the Senate passed a tax bill confirming that the Republican leaders’ primary goal is to enrich the country’s elite at the expense of everybody else, including future generations who will end up bearing the cost. The approval of this looting of the public purse by corporations and the wealthy makes it a near certainty that 
7665[2017-12-02 14:03:08] <JamGobbar> President Trump will sign this or a similar bill into law in the coming days.
7666[2017-12-02 14:03:45] * zoid → koid
7667[2017-12-02 14:04:08] <JamGobbar> Thanks Deplorables!
7668[2017-12-02 14:04:20] <JamGobbar>  you've managed to fuck yourselves over yet again with your own dumb decision making
7669[2017-12-02 14:04:43] <nomic> 1 time .. i got in 9am .. office .. and there was like guy @ the .. it was a mainframe .. terminal .. he said to me .. got a problem here
7670[2017-12-02 14:04:52] * koid → wuro
7671[2017-12-02 14:05:49] * wuro → zoid
7672[2017-12-02 14:06:23] <nomic> i was like what .. he said "well I was 'tidying up'" the system master dictionary .. the pick (that was pick) .. well it was closer than anything else 'mcdonnel douglas 'reality'" .. defines the whole system .. has a map of all accounts on the big hard disk .. machine would move like a washing machine when disk was accessing .. he said "tidying up" .. he'd been 'tidying' and had deleted what is called a 'synonym 
7673[2017-12-02 14:06:24] <nomic> pointer' .. it is a duplicate pointer .. bang .. he'd deleted the entire system.. bricked the machine.
7674[2017-12-02 14:06:56] <nomic> i spent the morning on the phone to mcdonnel douglas, being directed through a "sel restore"... didn't really know that much .. was alwayys ops dealt with that shit .. knew soon after
7675[2017-12-02 14:07:02] <JamGobbar> bummer dude
7676[2017-12-02 14:07:07] <nomic> was a strange conversation with mcdonnel douglas .. anyway
7677[2017-12-02 14:07:11] <nomic> he was fired
7678[2017-12-02 14:07:28] <nomic> think the boss had been waiting for a reason to get rid of him .. the guy who deleted the pointer, was fired
7679[2017-12-02 14:07:50] <nomic> cos i hadn't fked about id gone to my boss saying what was going on and would have to sort it
7680[2017-12-02 14:07:56] <nomic> it was all mag tapes then
7681[2017-12-02 14:08:17] <nomic> ibm tape deck on a drawer .. whole machine would tip forward a bit when the tape deck was pulled out
7682[2017-12-02 14:08:32] <nomic> all the storage shit was ibm 
7683[2017-12-02 14:08:38] <nomic> ibm disks ibm tape decks
7684[2017-12-02 14:08:39] <JamGobbar> fucking storage SHIT
7685[2017-12-02 14:08:49] <JamGobbar> ibm shit and ibm dicks
7686[2017-12-02 14:08:57] <nomic> used to have all the tapes in milk crates
7687[2017-12-02 14:09:02] <JamGobbar> if it wasnt for billgates
7688[2017-12-02 14:09:05] <JamGobbar> they'd have taken over the world
7689[2017-12-02 14:09:07] <JamGobbar> god bless bill
7690[2017-12-02 14:09:25] <nomic> so we had those sophisticated os es .. and unix
7691[2017-12-02 14:09:28] <nomic> vs DOS
7692[2017-12-02 14:09:31] <nomic> fk microsoft
7693[2017-12-02 14:09:34] <nomic> they provided nothing
7694[2017-12-02 14:09:43] <JamGobbar> they provided it all
7695[2017-12-02 14:09:46] <JamGobbar> and beat ibm at their own game
7696[2017-12-02 14:09:58] <JamGobbar> and thank goodness they did
7697[2017-12-02 14:11:32] — nomic remember thinking 'this is over' ..when i saw that system, that 'mainfrme' .. mini computers mostly .. system .. running off a 5 & 1/4" inch floppy ... that was REV/G 
7698[2017-12-02 14:11:39] <nomic> 'revelation'
7699[2017-12-02 14:11:44] <nomic> ran perfectly ..
7700[2017-12-02 14:11:48] <JamGobbar> not an 8" floppy?
7701[2017-12-02 14:12:17] <nomic> thinking this is the fking system.. that is mainframes worth £500k .... the pc is now that system .. and it was .. I was installing from a PC with a tape streamer, to these mainframes (everywhere)
7702[2017-12-02 14:12:33] <nomic> 5 1/4 .. the floppy floppys
7703[2017-12-02 14:12:35] <nomic> sleeve ..
7704[2017-12-02 14:12:42] <nomic> made a lot of noise accessing
7705[2017-12-02 14:13:06] <JamGobbar> yeah but back then they had 8" floppies
7706[2017-12-02 14:13:08] <nomic> Revelation 
7707[2017-12-02 14:13:08] <nomic> In 1984, Cosmos released a Pick-style database called Revelation, later Advanced Revelation, for DOS on the IBM PC. Advanced Revelation is now owned by Revelation Technologies, which publishes a GUI-enabled version called OpenInsight.
7708[2017-12-02 14:13:08] <JamGobbar> that were EVEN COOLER
7709[2017-12-02 14:13:23] <nomic> never saw any of them
7710[2017-12-02 14:13:27] <nomic> u must be old if u saw them
7711[2017-12-02 14:14:07] <JamGobbar> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Floppy_Disk_Drive_8_inch.jpg/220px-Floppy_Disk_Drive_8_inch.jpg
7712[2017-12-02 14:14:23] <JamGobbar> http://www.dvdyourmemories.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1970_Floppy_Disk.gif
7713[2017-12-02 14:14:32] <JamGobbar> compared to the 5.25 and the 3.5
7714[2017-12-02 14:15:47] <nomic> midle 1 & right 1 i have only seen
7715[2017-12-02 14:16:09] <nomic> must last used a 3.5 inch disk 5 years ago
7716[2017-12-02 14:16:12] <nomic> wtf for no idea
7717[2017-12-02 14:16:51] <nomic> 1.1mb storage
7718[2017-12-02 14:17:14] <JamGobbar> you could get it up to 2mb if you bailed on the file system
7719[2017-12-02 14:17:23] <nomic> archived?
7720[2017-12-02 14:17:26] <nomic> zipped stuff up?
7721[2017-12-02 14:17:32] <JamGobbar> no just have no FAT on it
7722[2017-12-02 14:17:37] <JamGobbar> the FAT took up space on the disk
7723[2017-12-02 14:17:46] <JamGobbar> thats how for isntall disks
7724[2017-12-02 14:17:50] <nomic> yeah the fat
7725[2017-12-02 14:17:52] <JamGobbar> they could maximize the space on them to 2mb
7726[2017-12-02 14:17:56] <nomic> rlly
7727[2017-12-02 14:18:06] <JamGobbar> by just removing the file system
7728[2017-12-02 14:18:12] <nomic> my boss used to format pc disks on an amiga .. meant they then could not be copies
7729[2017-12-02 14:18:13] <JamGobbar> of course it meant only specialized software could read them
7730[2017-12-02 14:18:17] <JamGobbar> you couldnt read them from dos
7731[2017-12-02 14:18:18] <nomic> copied.. to distro the product
7732[2017-12-02 14:18:29] <nomic> rite
7733[2017-12-02 14:19:30] <nomic> he only just got out .. was reading his linkedln
7734[2017-12-02 14:19:46] <nomic> man i just remembered.. hadn't thought of when i visited him
7735[2017-12-02 14:19:48] <nomic> forgot about that
7736[2017-12-02 14:20:06] <nomic> i went to see their office .. co. blew apart .. he formed another one .. I helped with it
7737[2017-12-02 14:20:18] <nomic> was always complaining about the amount of work
7738[2017-12-02 14:20:24] <nomic> "spend my life waiting for PCs" (he said)
7739[2017-12-02 14:20:35] <nomic> = c compilation .. the orig. systeem was turbo c
7740[2017-12-02 14:20:43] <JamGobbar> yeah
7741[2017-12-02 14:20:44] <JamGobbar> by borland
7742[2017-12-02 14:20:51] <JamGobbar> i used trubo c and turbo c++
7743[2017-12-02 14:20:54] <nomic> they had a whole commercial product in it
7744[2017-12-02 14:21:00] <nomic> did ya
7745[2017-12-02 14:21:10] <JamGobbar> it was a great dos ide
7746[2017-12-02 14:21:39] <JamGobbar> i even interned at borland for a bit
7747[2017-12-02 14:21:41] <nomic> they'd have to build the lot .. 
7748[2017-12-02 14:21:47] <nomic> be careful with fixes .. build
7749[2017-12-02 14:21:53] <nomic> unbelievable way of working really
7750[2017-12-02 14:22:00] <nomic> y i like python .. none of that shit
7751[2017-12-02 14:22:06] <nomic> bang .. run it
7752[2017-12-02 14:22:10] <nomic> see it fail or whatever
7753[2017-12-02 14:22:24] <nomic> is fast enough .. is fast enough with my code
7754[2017-12-02 14:22:47] <nomic> thats whwawt I thought right away with python
7755[2017-12-02 14:22:55] <nomic> "this is v fast prototyping lang"
7756[2017-12-02 14:23:01] <nomic> no shit .. get yer code in .. see it run
7757[2017-12-02 14:23:36] <nomic> managed to bang in further shit .. was coding then as speak .. just hacking out some lines ..
7758[2017-12-02 14:23:49] <JamGobbar> hack those lines out
7759[2017-12-02 14:23:54] <nomic>      re[i] = (("exc"),(st+self.txt.lstrip()[7:G_max]))
7760[2017-12-02 14:23:55] <nomic> etc
7761[2017-12-02 14:23:57] — JamGobbar cracks a beer and pushes it nomic's way
7762[2017-12-02 14:24:00] <nomic> naw
7763[2017-12-02 14:24:06] <nomic> im becoming ill jamgobbar
7764[2017-12-02 14:24:13] <nomic> last nite .. i really got "hypertensive.
7765[2017-12-02 14:24:18] <nomic> summit like angina
7766[2017-12-02 14:24:20] <JamGobbar> from too much drink?
7767[2017-12-02 14:24:27] <nomic> lungs r fucked
7768[2017-12-02 14:24:30] <nomic> need to lose weight
7769[2017-12-02 14:24:33] <nomic> get blood pressure down
7770[2017-12-02 14:24:39] <JamGobbar> ahh yeah
7771[2017-12-02 14:24:41] <JamGobbar> thats no fun
7772[2017-12-02 14:24:43] <nomic> im depressed about it .. don't talk about that much
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7774[2017-12-02 14:25:31] <nomic> all is this fking code .. 
7775[2017-12-02 14:25:34] <nomic> get somewhere
7776[2017-12-02 14:25:40] <nomic> get money
7777[2017-12-02 14:26:10] <JamGobbar>  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/tax-cuts-republicans-entitlements-medicare-social-security.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news <<=-- GOP heads towards next step, fucking us all over 
7778[2017-12-02 14:26:14] <rabble_bot> ^ Heading Toward Tax Victory, Republicans Eye Next Step: Cut Spending - The New York Times
7779[2017-12-02 14:27:27] <JamGobbar> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/opinion/trump-national-monuments-bears-ears.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
7780[2017-12-02 14:27:30] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump Is Vandalizing Our Wild Heritage - The New York Times
7781[2017-12-02 14:27:37] <JamGobbar> Mr. Trump’s plans add up to the largest elimination of protected areas in American history. He is a vandal in our midst, coming in person to lay waste to the land. This theft of our heritage should awaken us to the damage being piled up across our public lands under this administration.
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7784[2017-12-02 14:29:52] <RcHaCk> Geronimo
7785[2017-12-02 14:30:33] <nomic> i tell u
7786[2017-12-02 14:30:40] <nomic> laura nyro .. was better than any of them .
7787[2017-12-02 14:30:45] <nomic> janis joplin .. amy winehouse
7788[2017-12-02 14:31:07] <JamGobbar> better than kate bush?
7789[2017-12-02 14:31:10] <JamGobbar> i dont think so
7790[2017-12-02 14:31:21] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvKzCspqGgQ  Laura Nyro "Wedding Bell Blues"
7791[2017-12-02 14:31:22] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Laura Nyro "Wedding Bell Blues" :: Duration: 02:51
7792[2017-12-02 14:31:34] <nomic> that is so .. that song = motown
7793[2017-12-02 14:31:39] <nomic> motown sound
7794[2017-12-02 14:32:20] <nomic> she was the real deal
7795[2017-12-02 14:33:28] <nomic> was playing film 'jesus christ superstar' a week or 2 ago
7796[2017-12-02 14:33:31] <nomic> i love that 70s stuff
7797[2017-12-02 14:33:33] <nomic> early 70s
7798[2017-12-02 14:33:51] <JamGobbar> joni mitchell was good back then
7799[2017-12-02 14:35:03] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXdnxYFJZg  Laura Nyro 07 And When I Die
7800[2017-12-02 14:35:04] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Laura Nyro 07 And When I Die :: Duration: 03:03
7801[2017-12-02 14:35:24] <nomic> laura nyro died @ 50
7802[2017-12-02 14:37:28] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EWuYJgJv9w  Laura Nyro - Ain't No Mountain High Enough
7803[2017-12-02 14:37:28] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Laura Nyro - Ain't No Mountain High Enough :: Duration: 04:48
7804[2017-12-02 14:37:32] <nomic> she owns that
7805[2017-12-02 14:37:35] <nomic> better version
7806[2017-12-02 14:37:58] <nomic> shes got a version of 'up on the roof' .. owns that
7807[2017-12-02 14:38:24] <nomic> her voice is incredible
7808[2017-12-02 14:38:40] <nomic> Laura Nyro /ˈnɪəroʊ/ NEAR-oh[1] (October 18, 1947 – April 8, 1997) was an American songwriter, singer, and pianist. She achieved critical acclaim with her own recordings, particularly the albums Eli and the Thirteenth Confession (1968) and New York Tendaberry (1969), and had commercial success with artists such as Barbra Streisand and The 5th Dimension recording her songs. Her style was a hybrid of 
7809[2017-12-02 14:38:40] <nomic> Brill Building-style New York pop, jazz, rhythm and blues, show tunes, rock, and soul.[2]
7810[2017-12-02 14:39:03] <nomic> Nyro was born Laura Nigro in the Bronx
7811[2017-12-02 14:39:14] <nomic> "I've created my own little world, a world of music, since I was five years old," Nyro told Billboard magazine in 1970, adding that music provided, for her, a means of coping with a difficult childhood: "I was never a bright and happy child."
7812[2017-12-02 14:39:28] <nomic> While in high school, she sang with a group of friends in subway stations and on street corners. She said, "I would go out singing, as a teenager, to a party or out on the street, because there were harmony groups there, and that was one of the joys of my youth."
7813[2017-12-02 14:42:00] <nomic>  Elton John also addressed Nyro's influence on his 1970 song "Burn Down the Mission", from Tumbleweed Connection, in particular. "I idolized her," he concluded. "The soul, the passion, just the out and out audacity of the way her rhythmic and melody changes came was like nothing I've heard before."
7814[2017-12-02 14:42:36] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7hCUaH7xCI  Laura Nyro - Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow
7815[2017-12-02 14:42:37] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Laura Nyro - Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow :: Duration: 03:25
7816[2017-12-02 14:47:09] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTNjX7l7-go  Laura Nyro " Up On The Roof " (Studio Recording)
7817[2017-12-02 14:47:10] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Laura Nyro " Up On The Roof " (Studio Recording) :: Duration: 03:16
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7819[2017-12-02 14:58:35] <nomic> tbh .. i am only just getting into this editor .. last bugs ironed out lst week .. beginning to really use it
7820[2017-12-02 14:58:40] <nomic> fking fast
7821[2017-12-02 14:58:42] <nomic> faster than gedit
7822[2017-12-02 14:58:55] <nomic> ie... i know gedit isn't much .. but was what i was uring heavily
7823[2017-12-02 14:58:59] <nomic> using .. do not fking miss it
7824[2017-12-02 14:59:32] <nomic> fek.
7825[2017-12-02 14:59:40] <nomic> man i was always writing editors
7826[2017-12-02 14:59:42] <nomic> never using them
7827[2017-12-02 15:00:26] <nomic> speed is everything
7828[2017-12-02 15:00:52] <nomic> wow i actually achieved a work day today
7829[2017-12-02 15:01:11] <nomic> its smoother, all of it .. cos of the editor
7830[2017-12-02 15:01:18] <nomic> much more than editor .. becoming
7831[2017-12-02 15:01:20] <nomic> raaaaaaaaage
7832[2017-12-02 15:01:27] — nomic punches self in face
7833[2017-12-02 15:02:07] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2QjxWtN3vg  Franco Battiato l'era del Cinghiale bianco
7834[2017-12-02 15:02:08] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Franco Battiato l'era del Cinghiale bianco :: Duration: 04:02
7835[2017-12-02 15:02:31] <nomic> i found battiato thru random wikipedia
7836[2017-12-02 15:02:44] <nomic> i click on wikipedia random article .. every day .. when bored
7837[2017-12-02 15:02:46] <nomic> get something to read
7838[2017-12-02 15:03:04] <nomic> i found "clic" .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clic_(album) Clic is a 1974 album by Italian experimental musician Franco Battiato. The album, released on the Island Records label (catalogue ILPS 9323), is a brooding and intense collection of instrumental/vocal arrangements. Dedicated to Karlheinz Stockhausen, the music has stylistic similarities with Philip Glass and Tangerine Dream, but is more lyrical and has 
7839[2017-12-02 15:03:04] <nomic> elements of musique concrète. It was later re-released on CD with a different track listing.
7840[2017-12-02 15:03:05] <rabble_bot> ^ Clic (album) - Wikipedia
7841[2017-12-02 15:03:07] <nomic> started liswtnening
7842[2017-12-02 15:03:09] <nomic> listening
7843[2017-12-02 15:03:14] <nomic> found "fetus"
7844[2017-12-02 15:03:52] <nomic> https://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/albumofthemonth/battiato-fetus  FETUS
7845[2017-12-02 15:03:53] <rabble_bot> ^ Julian Cope presents Head Heritage | Unsung | Album of the Month | Battiato - Fetus
7846[2017-12-02 15:03:57] <nomic> beautiful album
7847[2017-12-02 15:04:06] <nomic> 1972
7848[2017-12-02 15:05:00] <nomic> Francesco "Franco" Battiato (Italian: [ˈfraŋko batˈtjaːto]; born 23 March 1945, Ionia, Sicily)[1][citation needed] is an Italian singer-songwriter, composer, filmmaker and, under the pseudonym Süphan Barzani, also a painter.[2] Battiato's songs contain esoteric, philosophical and religious themes.
7849[2017-12-02 15:05:53] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y44YzIODw0  Franco Battiato - No Time No Space
7850[2017-12-02 15:05:54] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Franco Battiato - No Time No Space :: Duration: 03:32
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7853[2017-12-02 15:07:44] <nomic> what a sound
7854[2017-12-02 15:08:28] <nomic> 1985
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7856[2017-12-02 15:09:08] <nomic> dipping into battiato finding more an dmore .. 
7857[2017-12-02 15:09:16] <nomic> after "fetus" .. he was into v weird experimental stuff
7858[2017-12-02 15:09:47] <nomic> http://www.4columns.org/img/column/Reynolds_Battatio_1.jpg
7859[2017-12-02 15:10:07] <zapster> https://twitter.com/ajitbirsingh/status/936739725943234561
7860[2017-12-02 15:10:08] <rabble_bot> ^ Ajit Singh on Twitter: "5 years ago RT — which the US govt demonizes and is trying to censor — was already reporting on the caging of Black Africans in Libya. At th… https://t.co/xemYsgAipy"
7861[2017-12-02 15:10:53] <nomic> "Fetus is an album beyond all definition. It’s a masterpiece of daring and almost stupid risks that work every single time. "
7862[2017-12-02 15:11:25] <zapster> https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/936611147981078529
7863[2017-12-02 15:11:27] <rabble_bot> ^ Michael Tracey on Twitter: "Grand irony: the underlying action that Flynn now admits he lied to the FBI about was urging de-escalation with a nuclear power, which is no… https://t.co/qtiXDc5rvK"
7864[2017-12-02 15:11:34] <zapster> and that is obviously considered criminal now
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7866[2017-12-02 15:12:04] <Nelluk> why do you trust Flynn about the content of the meeting, and why does the content make someone criminal or non criminal?
7867[2017-12-02 15:12:11] <nomic> is trump goin down
7868[2017-12-02 15:12:18] <Nelluk> prob not nomic but theres an outside chance
7869[2017-12-02 15:12:19] <nomic> i FUCKING HOPE SO
7870[2017-12-02 15:12:29] <nomic> damn im depressd by it all
7871[2017-12-02 15:12:46] <nomic> getting cofnlicating reports .. trump is working .. 3pc growth
7872[2017-12-02 15:12:55] <Nelluk> betting markets say 52% chance that Trump leaves office before the next inauguration day.. seems waay too high for me
7873[2017-12-02 15:12:58] <nomic> "woulda been 4pc if it hadn't been for the hurricane"
7874[2017-12-02 15:13:16] <nomic> trump is delivering .. he may be nuts
7875[2017-12-02 15:13:20] <nomic> but he is achieving stuff
7876[2017-12-02 15:14:00] <Nelluk> he can only take so much credit for growth happening a few months after he took office. pretty much the same economy as obama left us with
7877[2017-12-02 15:14:02] <nomic> hes gonna coast right over all this 'russia stuff' .. flynn now
7878[2017-12-02 15:14:10] <zapster> so https://wamu.org/story/17/11/28/d-c-bill-rename-street-front-russian-embassy-slain-opposition-leader-boris-nemtsov/
7879[2017-12-02 15:14:10] <rabble_bot> ^ D.C. Bill Would Rename Street In Front Of Russian Embassy After Slain Opposition Leader Boris Nemtsov | WAMU
7880[2017-12-02 15:14:24] <zapster> he isn't "achieving" anything. 
7881[2017-12-02 15:14:41] <zapster> most of what he's done has been shot down by the courts 
7882[2017-12-02 15:16:24] <Nelluk> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/937007006526959618
7883[2017-12-02 15:16:24] <zapster> go repugs, commemorate a street to a russian crook just to annoy the ambassadors 
7884[2017-12-02 15:16:25] <rabble_bot> ^ Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his a… https://t.co/8bMCLGuAhf"
7885[2017-12-02 15:16:26] <zapster> https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/936963095003586560
7886[2017-12-02 15:16:27] <rabble_bot> ^ Mark Ames on Twitter: "DC wants to rename street after former Putin backer Nemtsov, who was caught whoring at oligarch Potanin's dacha with a pool full of teenaged… https://t.co/Apkc16wvvt"
7887[2017-12-02 15:16:28] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: K.T. McFarland Wrote: Russia Has 'Just Thrown The USA Election To Trump' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/kt-mcfarland-admits-russia-has-just-thrown>
7888[2017-12-02 15:16:57] <zapster> and he wasn't a putin backer. he's opposition
7889[2017-12-02 15:17:59] <zapster> https://twitter.com/elliswinningham/status/936958774983774208
7890[2017-12-02 15:18:00] <rabble_bot> ^ Ellis Winningham on Twitter: "“Fascism sprang up in Germany against a background of tremendous unemployment, and maintained itself in power through securing full employme… https://t.co/EY3owqK29X"
7891[2017-12-02 15:18:37] <zapster> https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/936959151250407425
7892[2017-12-02 15:18:38] <rabble_bot> ^ Lee Fang on Twitter: "John McCain has so many examples of ditching his old principles under political and business pressure. Here he is in 2010 going to a fundrai… https://t.co/hvwIWZmVcz"
7893[2017-12-02 15:18:59] <zapster> where he ditched his *own* campaign law
7894[2017-12-02 15:19:19] <zapster> https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/936675950581993472
7895[2017-12-02 15:19:20] <rabble_bot> ^ Julian Assange 🔹 on Twitter: "Flynn's misleading of the FBI seems to stem from the Logan act. Well after the election, on Dec 29. Flynn tried to convince Russia to hold o… https://t.co/Wkl9qSO9FD"
7896[2017-12-02 15:20:02] <zapster> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
7897[2017-12-02 15:20:03] <rabble_bot> ^ Logan Act - Wikipedia
7898[2017-12-02 15:20:10] <zapster> don't think that would actually apply
7899[2017-12-02 15:20:46] <zapster> nixon should have been tho
7900[2017-12-02 15:20:57] <zapster> .rr reagan 
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7903[2017-12-02 15:29:34] <erasmus> hi zapster 
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7906[2017-12-02 15:33:00] <nomic> kitchen = 15pc less trashed
7907[2017-12-02 15:33:13] <nomic> i do it when i package stew into the boxes .. to freeze
7908[2017-12-02 15:33:40] <nomic> hope that new fking pan comes .. before i make it nxt .. have ordered it .. fking handle fell off the 8.5L pot .. are holes in side .. can't be used
7909[2017-12-02 15:33:47] <nomic> handle came off
7910[2017-12-02 15:34:04] <erasmus> hi nomic 
7911[2017-12-02 15:34:07] <nomic> they can't even make pots here .. i dunno .. would xpsct made here .. much demand now .. ebay & austerity
7912[2017-12-02 15:34:10] <nomic> hi erasmus
7913[2017-12-02 15:34:16] <erasmus> having a nice day?
7914[2017-12-02 15:34:29] <nomic> has gr8ly improved tyvm
7915[2017-12-02 15:34:34] <nomic> how is your day erasmus
7916[2017-12-02 15:34:37] <erasmus> ok thanks
7917[2017-12-02 15:34:42] <erasmus> really cold this morning
7918[2017-12-02 15:34:49] <erasmus> frost was all over
7919[2017-12-02 15:34:51] <nomic> seems 2 have warmed up a bit ehre
7920[2017-12-02 15:34:55] <erasmus> yeah it did
7921[2017-12-02 15:35:03] <erasmus> I was up early 
7922[2017-12-02 15:35:03] <nomic> yep .. its up to 7c
7923[2017-12-02 15:35:12] <erasmus> so if you weren't in direct sunlight you froze
7924[2017-12-02 15:35:38] <nomic> press says there will be sever temps in nxt weeks
7925[2017-12-02 15:35:43] <nomic> '-10' ..
7926[2017-12-02 15:35:57] <nomic> severe
7927[2017-12-02 15:36:20] <nomic> was talking to someone in #marxism who has it -25 (canada) .. his engine block is frozen up
7928[2017-12-02 15:36:35] <nomic> told him to put oil lamp under it
7929[2017-12-02 15:36:41] <nomic> storm lantern
7930[2017-12-02 15:36:45] <nomic> wut u do
7931[2017-12-02 15:36:50] <nomic> best way of heating up a block
7932[2017-12-02 15:37:02] <nomic> getting the oil less viscous
7933[2017-12-02 15:37:03] <coffeeguy> hey
7934[2017-12-02 15:38:13] <coffeeguy> so umm you guys ever have an irl stalker?
7935[2017-12-02 15:39:10] <coffeeguy> i think she’s using my address too
7936[2017-12-02 15:39:45] <coffeeguy> it’s creepy af
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7943[2017-12-02 15:48:32] <coffeeguy> she walks by only when i sitting outside, started asking me for things
7944[2017-12-02 15:51:34] <coffeeguy> so umm who’s going to take putins place when he gets older
7945[2017-12-02 15:52:53] <coffeeguy> i mean he has to be grooming someone to carry on his legacy? right
7946[2017-12-02 15:54:14] <coffeeguy> i dont think his daughter cold hold the position due to russia being very patriarchal
7947[2017-12-02 15:54:29] <coffeeguy> his son?
7948[2017-12-02 15:55:28] <coffeeguy> medlev is a good puppet but alone he couldnt do it
7949[2017-12-02 15:55:32] <nomic> fking £140
7950[2017-12-02 15:55:52] <coffeeguy> for what
7951[2017-12-02 15:56:12] <nomic> speeding fine + 'adminstration fee £40. .. hire car place
7952[2017-12-02 15:56:17] <nomic> 1 daY I drive in 4 yars
7953[2017-12-02 15:56:19] <nomic> and that
7954[2017-12-02 15:56:35] <coffeeguy> wow
7955[2017-12-02 15:56:51] <nomic> yeah .. hire car place did not supply satnav .. mistake .. fkd me up
7956[2017-12-02 15:57:13] <coffeeguy> how fast were you going
7957[2017-12-02 15:57:19] <nomic> 52 in a 40
7958[2017-12-02 15:57:44] <coffeeguy> yah that’s pushing it
7959[2017-12-02 15:58:25] <coffeeguy> where you going to get that kinnda cash
7960[2017-12-02 15:59:29] <nomic> fking overdraft
7961[2017-12-02 15:59:59] <coffeeguy> dont feel too bad we have 3 people’s in the house and the dryer broke i have to come up with 500.00 for a new one
7962[2017-12-02 16:00:18] <nomic> damn
7963[2017-12-02 16:00:44] <coffeeguy> or make payments till the end of time
7964[2017-12-02 16:01:54] <coffeeguy> might be able to swing high payments on hsn but forget xmas
7965[2017-12-02 16:02:17] <coffeeguy> ill put a bow on it lol
7966[2017-12-02 16:03:32] <coffeeguy> i wanted to get the fam presents
7967[2017-12-02 16:04:05] <coffeeguy> ha oh well
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7970[2017-12-02 16:05:26] <coffeeguy> it isnt just for us its to dry my bedridden dads clothes too which sis washes
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7972[2017-12-02 16:06:23] <nomic> get spin drier
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7976[2017-12-02 16:07:53] <coffeeguy> looking at some options
7977[2017-12-02 16:08:14] <coffeeguy> has to be heavy duty
7978[2017-12-02 16:14:42] <zapster> store floor models will often save you couple hundred
7979[2017-12-02 16:16:07] <erasmus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uee_mcxvrw
7980[2017-12-02 16:16:08] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - 'I FINK U FREEKY' by DIE ANTWOORD (Official) :: Duration: 03:55
7981[2017-12-02 16:16:39] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Fox & Friends Urge Trump ‘Take Advantage’ Of Steinle Acquittal By Building Border Wall <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/fox-friends-urge-trump-take-advantage>
7982[2017-12-02 16:17:03] <erasmus> zapster can we grind?
7983[2017-12-02 16:17:24] <zapster> depends. wht do you want to grind? ;)
7984[2017-12-02 16:17:32] <erasmus> u
7985[2017-12-02 16:17:44] <erasmus> :X
7986[2017-12-02 16:18:13] <zapster> some of these: https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=stabilized+wood
7987[2017-12-02 16:18:14] <rabble_bot> ^ stabilized wood - Ecosia
7988[2017-12-02 16:18:14] <zapster> :D
7989[2017-12-02 16:18:30] <erasmus> I fink yer freaky and I like u a lot
7990[2017-12-02 16:27:44] <zapster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD9abqTlZSs
7991[2017-12-02 16:27:44] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Flynn Plea Shows Collusion With... Israel? :: Duration: 18:17
7992[2017-12-02 16:27:45] <zapster> lol
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7997[2017-12-02 16:32:22] <zapster> https://twitter.com/DeanBaker13/status/936958854826520576
7998[2017-12-02 16:32:23] <rabble_bot> ^ Dean Baker on Twitter: "See, look at the terrible burden of the debt. The Fed is worried interest rates are too low https://t.co/oZeL0aaB5b"
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8000[2017-12-02 16:35:15] <zapster> https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/science-suggests-making-fish-homicidal-antidepressants-flush-water.html
8001[2017-12-02 16:35:15] <rabble_bot> ^ Science Suggests We're Making Fish Homicidal Through Antidepressants We Flush Into the Water | naked capitalism
8002[2017-12-02 16:36:12] <humbot> they want to kill humans ?
8003[2017-12-02 16:36:51] <zapster> They found that when male minnows were exposed to Prozac, they ignored females and spent more time hiding under a tile, which resulted in lower reproductive rates. In addition, they took longer in capturing prey and also became aggressive; in some cases, even killing females. Exposed females were also impacted by producing fewer eggs.
8004[2017-12-02 16:37:15] <zapster> Adding to the concern is the fact that the fish behavior was altered even with low doses of the drug. “At high doses, we expect brain changes,” said Rebecca Klaper, a professor of freshwater sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and co-author of the 2014 study. “But we saw the gene expression changes and then behavioral changes at doses that we consider environmentally relevant.”
8005[2017-12-02 16:37:17] <zapster> interesting
8006[2017-12-02 16:40:21] — JamGobbar swims under a rock
8007[2017-12-02 16:41:08] <humbot> mgtow fish ?!
8008[2017-12-02 16:41:31] <humbot> "gene expression changes"
8009[2017-12-02 16:41:31] <Treefingers> Article references this: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.7b02912
8010[2017-12-02 16:41:32] <rabble_bot> ^ Selective Uptake and Bioaccumulation of Antidepressants in Fish from Effluent-Impacted Niagara River - Environmental Science & Technology (ACS Publications)
8011[2017-12-02 16:42:00] <Treefingers> But I can't be bothered to buy the paper
8012[2017-12-02 16:42:05] <zapster> find out if your name was used fraudulently to support the repeal of net neutrality https://ag.ny.gov/fakecomments
8013[2017-12-02 16:42:06] <rabble_bot> ^ Fake Comments | New York State Attorney General
8014[2017-12-02 16:43:08] <erasmus> Trump is now just a liability now that the rich who run the show got their tax break
8015[2017-12-02 16:43:25] <erasmus> he's done for
8016[2017-12-02 16:43:55] <zapster> http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2017/11/minister_convicted_of_obstruct.html#incart_river_home
8017[2017-12-02 16:43:56] <rabble_bot> ^ Minister who sang for Roy Moore lied for son accused of molesting Honduran orphans | AL.com
8018[2017-12-02 16:43:58] <zapster> ewwww
8019[2017-12-02 16:44:21] <zapster> I doubt it. he's busy giving them what they want
8020[2017-12-02 16:44:25] <Treefingers> So the takeaway is that pollution is bad
8021[2017-12-02 16:44:44] <zapster> if the stuff makes fish more aggressive, maybe it can do it to people too
8022[2017-12-02 16:44:46] <erasmus> what else does he have left to give?
8023[2017-12-02 16:45:00] <zapster> however it also notes that biochar can filter the stuff out
8024[2017-12-02 16:45:03] <erasmus> he will leave and start his own news media network 
8025[2017-12-02 16:45:15] <erasmus> nationalist winning news network 
8026[2017-12-02 16:45:22] <erasmus> NWNN
8027[2017-12-02 16:45:25] <Treefingers> I know a couple of people who say they have depression and have said that antidepressants didn't help them
8028[2017-12-02 16:45:28] <erasmus> TRMP
8029[2017-12-02 16:45:56] <erasmus> Treefingers trust depression 
8030[2017-12-02 16:46:07] <erasmus> or grow your brain with nsi-189 lol
8031[2017-12-02 16:46:12] <Treefingers> I also know someone who was involved with developing an antidepressant that didn't make it to market because they couldn't separate the outcome of taking the drug with placebo, though he's sure it works
8032[2017-12-02 16:46:25] <erasmus> NSI-189
8033[2017-12-02 16:46:51] <zapster> well if it doesn't show up in double-blind tests, it probably doesn't work
8034[2017-12-02 16:47:02] <Treefingers> Sure
8035[2017-12-02 16:47:24] <Treefingers> He was saying though that with depression placebo is a real problem
8036[2017-12-02 16:47:46] <Treefingers> Because it's difficult to measure people's mood
8037[2017-12-02 16:48:13] <Treefingers> As for the fish I don't know if their biology is similar enough to people
8038[2017-12-02 16:48:26] <zapster> hm.. interesting juxtaposition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4wlc1XK3H0
8039[2017-12-02 16:48:26] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Fascism vs Neoliberalism w/ Chris Hedges :: Duration: 11:51
8040[2017-12-02 16:48:32] <Treefingers> The same drug can effect different humans in different ways, let alone fish
8041[2017-12-02 16:48:58] <zapster> yeah. and they found multiple drugs, plus other chemicals. no telling how they'll all interact
8042[2017-12-02 16:49:18] <Treefingers> Depression is a very complex problem
8043[2017-12-02 16:49:40] <zapster> and tinkering with brain chemistry with a bunch of random drugs seems very dangerous
8044[2017-12-02 16:50:07] <zapster> especially in critters that probably aren't depressed to start with
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8049[2017-12-02 16:59:38] <RcHaCk> MrReader
8050[2017-12-02 16:59:57] <MrReader> Hey rchack
8051[2017-12-02 17:00:02] <RcHaCk> how the gains bro
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8054[2017-12-02 17:03:36] <MrReader> Too early here
8055[2017-12-02 17:06:39] <RcHaCk> chop chop get to it bro those 24" arms aint going to build themselfs
8056[2017-12-02 17:07:08] <coffeeguy> how much gains can you get on kashmir spinach?
8057[2017-12-02 17:07:22] <RcHaCk> none coffeeguy
8058[2017-12-02 17:07:29] <RcHaCk> no proteins in that crap
8059[2017-12-02 17:07:33] <coffeeguy> i hope you're not leaving the beef out, whey, egg
8060[2017-12-02 17:08:07] <coffeeguy> you need super deluxe pea protein if you're going to go the hindu route?
8061[2017-12-02 17:08:26] <coffeeguy> green pea powder will pack it on
8062[2017-12-02 17:08:57] <coffeeguy> and don't for the love of god(diety here) use steroids
8063[2017-12-02 17:09:06] <nomic> Theresa May faces new crisis after mass walkout over social policy Alan Milburn and entire social mobility team quit citing ‘lack of political leadership’  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/02/theresa-may-crisis-mass-walkout-social-policy-alan-milburn
8064[2017-12-02 17:09:07] <rabble_bot> ^ Theresa May faces new crisis after mass walkout over social policy | Politics | The Guardian
8065[2017-12-02 17:09:31] <coffeeguy> whoa that just happen today nomin
8066[2017-12-02 17:10:54] <coffeeguy> i fink you're freaky is a pretty scary video hehe they have a nice beat though
8067[2017-12-02 17:11:46] <coffeeguy> man it's cold here
8068[2017-12-02 17:12:21] <coffeeguy> oh great it's starting to rain, that means everything will freeze solid tonite in the am
8069[2017-12-02 17:12:44] <coffeeguy> draymah i tell you Draymah lol
8070[2017-12-02 17:13:02] <coffeeguy> do conmen/women stalk for money?
8071[2017-12-02 17:13:14] <coffeeguy> i got a bad feeling
8072[2017-12-02 17:13:20] <coffeeguy> where's mytho?
8073[2017-12-02 17:13:24] <coffeeguy> he's behind this
8074[2017-12-02 17:14:26] <coffeeguy> hey anyone wanna buy a mac mini latest model, the i5 with 8gb and 1tb drive, it's brand new only used it for a week
8075[2017-12-02 17:14:58] <coffeeguy> i think i'll put it on ebay and buy a dryer with it
8076[2017-12-02 17:15:23] <coffeeguy> it's the only way i'm going to be able to get a dryer at this point
8077[2017-12-02 17:16:04] <coffeeguy> you guys think trump is symptom of usa politics or taking advantage of current politics
8078[2017-12-02 17:16:12] <coffeeguy> i think both
8079[2017-12-02 17:16:27] <JamGobbar> usa politics isnt a disease
8080[2017-12-02 17:16:34] <coffeeguy> like the mentat mehsiah he's in the right place at the right time
8081[2017-12-02 17:16:41] <JamGobbar> he's a symptom of some sort of problem with us politics certainly
8082[2017-12-02 17:16:43] <coffeeguy> i didn't say it was
8083[2017-12-02 17:16:45] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: How Could Trump Become Any Worse?  Like This <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/how-could-trump-become-any-worse>
8084[2017-12-02 17:16:47] <zapster> symptom of election fraud, controlled media, and unemployment, theft of their wealth and the crapification of education
8085[2017-12-02 17:16:56] <JamGobbar> yes
8086[2017-12-02 17:17:10] <coffeeguy> sounds like something they'd say in #marxism
8087[2017-12-02 17:17:18] <coffeeguy> it's isn't all bad
8088[2017-12-02 17:17:27] <zapster> it's not hard to see
8089[2017-12-02 17:17:29] <coffeeguy> i mean yah it's pretty shity
8090[2017-12-02 17:17:34] <zapster> what isn't all bad? 
8091[2017-12-02 17:17:43] <coffeeguy> lol
8092[2017-12-02 17:17:50] <zapster> having 60 million properties stoled from private owners isn't bad? 
8093[2017-12-02 17:17:51] <coffeeguy> could be worse
8094[2017-12-02 17:17:54] <zapster> *stolen
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8096[2017-12-02 17:17:59] <coffeeguy> that IS bad
8097[2017-12-02 17:18:02] <zapster> well, it's getting worse
8098[2017-12-02 17:18:04] <zapster> so. 
8099[2017-12-02 17:18:13] <coffeeguy> hmm what to do about it though?
8100[2017-12-02 17:18:32] <coffeeguy> i hear alot of complaining in here but no riki tick
8101[2017-12-02 17:18:39] <zapster> start with throwing out voting machines
8102[2017-12-02 17:18:59] <coffeeguy> so i ah just walk up to a vote booth and trash it?
8103[2017-12-02 17:19:13] <coffeeguy> throw it out the window
8104[2017-12-02 17:19:15] <coffeeguy> lol
8105[2017-12-02 17:19:30] <zapster> I'd get a crowd :). ask the local council to get rid of them for starters. give them a plan for doing it without them 
8106[2017-12-02 17:19:36] <coffeeguy> i mean that's sounds nice but what do average folk do?
8107[2017-12-02 17:19:38] <zapster> and if they refuse, protest. 
8108[2017-12-02 17:19:51] <zapster> that is what people are doing now
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8111[2017-12-02 17:19:51] <coffeeguy> well we don't have them in oregon
8112[2017-12-02 17:20:12] <coffeeguy> vote by mail and fill in the circle vote booths
8113[2017-12-02 17:20:15] <zapster> well, then move on to targeting the lobbyists 
8114[2017-12-02 17:20:26] <coffeeguy> hmm i don't know any?
8115[2017-12-02 17:20:34] <zapster> there's been some good action on getting large institutions to divest from frackers and others 
8116[2017-12-02 17:20:55] <coffeeguy> we don't have any fracking here 
8117[2017-12-02 17:20:58] <coffeeguy> no gas
8118[2017-12-02 17:21:06] <zapster> organize bigger and bigger groups 
8119[2017-12-02 17:21:29] <coffeeguy> zapster maybe you'd be better off if you moved here, swoolley can find you a place
8120[2017-12-02 17:21:31] <zapster> to slam legislators whenever they come home, to slam the phones when there's bad bills going through etc
8121[2017-12-02 17:21:49] <zapster> I have a bad house rep I harass regularly here
8122[2017-12-02 17:21:51] <coffeeguy> i wrote to my senator he blew me off
8123[2017-12-02 17:22:08] <zapster> this one spent a lot of time running and hiding his town halls lol 
8124[2017-12-02 17:22:11] <coffeeguy> housing is good if you make a certain bracket
8125[2017-12-02 17:22:12] <zapster> and we chased him around
8126[2017-12-02 17:22:25] <coffeeguy> lol zapster
8127[2017-12-02 17:22:34] <zapster> kshama sawant is doing good stuff on housing 
8128[2017-12-02 17:22:59] <zapster> remember that the corps and the rich demonize everything that works
8129[2017-12-02 17:23:02] <coffeeguy> um what about marijuana it's legal here
8130[2017-12-02 17:23:26] <zapster> have to protect it. trump's dea is getting nasty about it 
8131[2017-12-02 17:23:32] <coffeeguy> that kind of thinking it's good, blanket black and white logic leads to extremes
8132[2017-12-02 17:23:43] <zapster> what blanket what? 
8133[2017-12-02 17:23:51] <zapster> no they do. it's a standard tactic
8134[2017-12-02 17:23:53] <coffeeguy> blanket logic all corps are bad
8135[2017-12-02 17:24:04] <zapster> they want people to get rid of it, so they do that
8136[2017-12-02 17:24:09] <zapster> where did I say that? 
8137[2017-12-02 17:24:18] <coffeeguy> not all are bad we have a lot of  smaller corps that really help out
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8140[2017-12-02 17:24:38] <zapster> certainly. the same policies that the rich oppose generally help smaller businesses
8141[2017-12-02 17:24:43] <zapster> they don't want competition
8142[2017-12-02 17:24:58] <zapster> a great DEAL of what the big ones want is anti-competitive stuff 
8143[2017-12-02 17:25:00] <coffeeguy> remember that the corps the rich demonize everything that works, is a blanket statement
8144[2017-12-02 17:25:20] <zapster> as a general rule, they do. they don't want regulation that works against them
8145[2017-12-02 17:25:45] <coffeeguy> bill gates has done a lot for a lot of people with his fortune and given us windows 10
8146[2017-12-02 17:26:01] <coffeeguy> general rule?
8147[2017-12-02 17:26:07] <zapster> ROFLMAO. you know that all of his 'charities' increase his wealth, right? 
8148[2017-12-02 17:26:15] <coffeeguy> warren buffet doesn't seem so bad
8149[2017-12-02 17:26:22] <zapster> they seriously corrupt charity
8150[2017-12-02 17:26:23] <JamGobbar> Bill gates is the shizznits
8151[2017-12-02 17:26:32] <JamGobbar> he made a machine to convert shit to water and power
8152[2017-12-02 17:26:32] <coffeeguy> well he's a genius
8153[2017-12-02 17:26:34] <zapster> you want some millionaires that aren't bad? 
8154[2017-12-02 17:26:37] <nomic> fk bll gates
8155[2017-12-02 17:26:51] <coffeeguy> i want ? no there are 
8156[2017-12-02 17:26:58] <nomic> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/02/social-mobility-education-uk-government-cuts
8157[2017-12-02 17:26:59] <JamGobbar> bill gates has sone way more for the world than that asshole jobbs ever did
8158[2017-12-02 17:27:00] <rabble_bot> ^ The Observer view on Theresa May’s promise to create a meritocracy | Observer editorial | Opinion | The Guardian
8159[2017-12-02 17:27:04] <coffeeguy> not everyone is bad
8160[2017-12-02 17:27:07] <zapster> https://patrioticmillionaires.org/
8161[2017-12-02 17:27:12] <rabble_bot> ^ Patriotic Millionaires - Patriotic Millionaires
8162[2017-12-02 17:27:17] — nomic ignores the stupidity.
8163[2017-12-02 17:27:19] <coffeeguy> that looks like a fake site
8164[2017-12-02 17:27:20] <zapster> read through their bios. you'll see a very interesting common thread
8165[2017-12-02 17:27:26] <zapster> oh never mind then. 
8166[2017-12-02 17:27:27] <nomic> its the guardian
8167[2017-12-02 17:27:36] <zapster> I'm sorry I even talked to you. 
8168[2017-12-02 17:27:39] <coffeeguy> lolol
8169[2017-12-02 17:27:52] <TarkusDillo> lol
8170[2017-12-02 17:27:54] <zapster> that is insulting. 
8171[2017-12-02 17:28:12] <coffeeguy> sorry it's just you're right about a lot of things but wrong about a few
8172[2017-12-02 17:28:29] <coffeeguy> and the pro putin russian thing really puts me off
8173[2017-12-02 17:28:42] <coffeeguy> he's erraticate us if he could get away with it
8174[2017-12-02 17:28:46] <coffeeguy> he'd
8175[2017-12-02 17:29:01] — zapster goes back to redacted tonight 
8176[2017-12-02 17:29:07] <coffeeguy> lolol
8177[2017-12-02 17:29:28] <coffeeguy> i'm sorry i'm fiesty
8178[2017-12-02 17:29:57] <TarkusDillo> you should be
8179[2017-12-02 17:30:03] <coffeeguy> lol
8180[2017-12-02 17:30:13] <TarkusDillo> :)
8181[2017-12-02 17:30:32] <coffeeguy> seriously though why do all russians jump into line when putin talks .. oh wait yah gulag
8182[2017-12-02 17:32:49] <coffeeguy> http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/russia703/video/video_index.html
8183[2017-12-02 17:32:50] <rabble_bot> ^ FRONTLINE/World Russia: Putin's Plan Synopsis and Video | PBS
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8185[2017-12-02 17:34:48] <Geronimo> hola
8186[2017-12-02 17:35:14] <coffeeguy> at least in 2008 he didn't blow up apartment buidlings
8187[2017-12-02 17:35:46] <JamGobbar> coffeeguy: either gulag or poisoning
8188[2017-12-02 17:35:48] <JamGobbar> take your pick
8189[2017-12-02 17:35:59] <JamGobbar> or he just straight up murders you
8190[2017-12-02 17:36:01] <coffeeguy> poisoning happens a lot
8191[2017-12-02 17:36:11] <coffeeguy> double tap to the back of the head
8192[2017-12-02 17:36:30] <coffeeguy> double barrel .22 caliber 
8193[2017-12-02 17:36:36] <Geronimo> hi
8194[2017-12-02 17:36:50] <coffeeguy> gary karsperov
8195[2017-12-02 17:38:15] <RcHaCk> Geronimo
8196[2017-12-02 17:38:56] <zapster> https://twitter.com/PatriciaNPino/status/937102845584830464
8197[2017-12-02 17:38:57] <rabble_bot> ^ Patricia on Twitter: "People should be aware, that economists who work for the corporate/banking sector will inevitably promote economic “theories” which benefit… https://t.co/ExYtGl2bqA"
8198[2017-12-02 17:42:13] <zapster> terrific segment on public banking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT7nBmebQxw
8199[2017-12-02 17:42:14] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - [87] Bitcoin, Public Banking, Money Is Debt :: Duration: 28:23
8200[2017-12-02 17:45:38] — RcHaCk slaps Geronimo with a yerba mate
8201[2017-12-02 17:46:03] <zapster> https://twitter.com/NicholsUprising/status/936559169032699904
8202[2017-12-02 17:46:04] <rabble_bot> ^ John Nichols on Twitter: "The new prime minister of Iceland is Katrín Jakobsdóttir: a 41-year-old democratic socialist, feminist, anti-militarist who says Iceland wil… https://t.co/9BLjADWG7Y"
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8206[2017-12-02 17:53:35] <zapster> “The sharp-eyed reader will note that Flynn is being charged with lying to the FBI about activity that isn’t criminal”
8207[2017-12-02 17:53:36] <zapster> lol
8208[2017-12-02 17:54:39] <JamGobbar> lol @ the idea that lying to the fbi is somehow mitigated by the subject of the lie
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8210[2017-12-02 17:59:21] <zapster> when lying to the fbi is frequently the result of fbi blackmail and threats, I would take it with a large grain of salt 
8211[2017-12-02 17:59:33] <zapster> they routinely get innocent people to plead guilty
8212[2017-12-02 17:59:55] <zapster> but, because it's someone you don't like, you can't be objective about that
8213[2017-12-02 17:59:57] <Nelluk> usually people that cant afford a good lawyer
8214[2017-12-02 18:00:08] <zapster> what if it was hillary? she also lied to the fbi did she not? 
8215[2017-12-02 18:00:14] <Nelluk> not according to Comey
8216[2017-12-02 18:00:42] <zapster> she lied about the email server 
8217[2017-12-02 18:00:54] <Nelluk> but it isnt about the lying to the FBI. obviously that is a pipsqueak charge. the point is that Flynn is now cooperating with Mueller.
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8219[2017-12-02 18:01:50] <zapster> FBI Director James Comey did not let Hillary Clinton get away unscathed during a press conference in which he announced he had concluded "no reasonable prosecutor" would find the grounds to bring an indictment against her for mishandling classified information sent over several unsecured, private e-mail servers using numerous electronic devices. She did not intend to break the law and would not be prosecuted even if the evidence showed 
8220[2017-12-02 18:01:50] <zapster> she did
8221[2017-12-02 18:02:26] <zapster> I see no intent that flynn did either. he said he didn't remember the convos, which isn't impossible considering the numbers of them that people in that positon may have
8222[2017-12-02 18:03:06] <Nelluk> thats pretty irrelevant. He got a deal and took it and is cooperating with the investigation. That's what matters. Whether or not the charge in the deal he got is big or small is rather irrelevant.
8223[2017-12-02 18:03:20] <zapster> In the FBI report, Clinton made statements that appear to either contradict her earlier remarks about the email scandal or to be flat-out lies.
8224[2017-12-02 18:03:53] <nomic> nxt book im into .. had this preconception that it would be boring .. what a great book .. whitefang/call of wild jack london .. part way into white fang
8225[2017-12-02 18:03:57] <nomic> what gr8 writing it is
8226[2017-12-02 18:04:01] <Nelluk> lying to the FBI is not the end goal. it's a tool to get Flynn to cooperate. 
8227[2017-12-02 18:04:04] <nomic> i remember had read it years back ..
8228[2017-12-02 18:04:16] <nomic> i don't think i had patience for much then
8229[2017-12-02 18:04:28] <nomic> too much static going on .. too much inteference
8230[2017-12-02 18:04:31] <nomic> loving this book now
8231[2017-12-02 18:04:39] <zapster> he cooperated voluntarily and they hit him with charges over something so inconsequential as to be completely irrelevant to their investigation, while letting clinton off the hook for clearly criminal negligence and endangering national security. 
8232[2017-12-02 18:04:51] <zapster> can you spell 'hypocrisy' kiddies? 
8233[2017-12-02 18:04:56] <Nelluk> lol
8234[2017-12-02 18:04:57] <TarkusDillo> of course, Nelluk
8235[2017-12-02 18:05:03] <TarkusDillo> haha zapster
8236[2017-12-02 18:05:08] <nomic> nyone read it
8237[2017-12-02 18:05:13] <zapster> Clinton has repeatedly said she has turned over all of her work-related emails on her private server, but the FBI report stated they found 17,448 emails she failed to turn over to the Inspector General.
8238[2017-12-02 18:05:18] <TarkusDillo> how about 'duplicitous'?
8239[2017-12-02 18:05:21] <zapster> that is felony lying on a grand scale. 
8240[2017-12-02 18:05:24] <zapster> no charges. 
8241[2017-12-02 18:05:50] <Nelluk> if lying to the FBI was the only crime Flynn committed then he would fight it and probably win or get zero punishment. He obviously plead guilty to get a lighter charge in exchange for his help with the investigation. This is basic shit. You're being obtuse.
8242[2017-12-02 18:07:16] <zapster> so far, there's zero evidence that he committed any crime. while there's massive evidence that clinton committed numerous ones. this is a witch hunt. nothing more. 
8243[2017-12-02 18:07:37] <Nelluk> lol
8244[2017-12-02 18:07:49] <mooses> lmfao member hillary clinton guies, member?  🍇🍇 member bengazhi?  member?
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8246[2017-12-02 18:08:01] <mooses> whatabout lincoln
8247[2017-12-02 18:08:04] <mooses> lol
8248[2017-12-02 18:08:58] <Nelluk> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/12/01/whats-in-flynns-plea-deal-shouldnt-scare-the-white-house-what-isnt-should/
8249[2017-12-02 18:08:59] <rabble_bot> ^ What’s in Flynn’s plea deal shouldn’t scare the White House. What isn’t should. - The Washington Post
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8252[2017-12-02 18:09:08] <Nelluk> 'Given Mueller’s long-running investigation into Flynn and the allegations that have besieged him for months, the former Trump aide appeared to be in serious legal jeopardy. That he has managed to escape with barely a slap on the wrist in exchange for his cooperation with law enforcement suggests just how much he could tell authorities about other senior Trump administration and campaign officials.'
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8255[2017-12-02 18:09:26] <KiwlJazz> https://www.chronicle.com/article/Passage-of-Senate-Tax-Reform/241962?cid=bn&utm_source=bn&utm_medium=en&elqTrackId=6eb236b0a30241b583ece143f923e65a&elq=6b6af89198a34006b4f52d5f38cc401c&elqaid=16940&elqat=1&elqCampaignId=7340
8256[2017-12-02 18:09:27] <rabble_bot> ^ Passage of Senate Tax-Reform Bill Leaves Colleges Scrambling - The Chronicle of Higher Education
8257[2017-12-02 18:10:13] <Nelluk> That means Mueller may have had enough evidence to charge Flynn with enough crimes to send him to prison for 30 years or more. Instead, Flynn has been charged with a single false statement count and — here’s the kicker — his plea agreement states that he will receive no more than six months of prison time for that. That’s an extraordinary sweetheart deal (even for the single charge). And it’s not one any prosecuto
8258[2017-12-02 18:10:13] <Nelluk> r, especially one with an investigation as high-profile as Mueller’s, would make lightly. Mueller would offer this kind of a deal only if he could get testimony that helps his case, and if that testimony allows him to go higher up the chain.
8259[2017-12-02 18:10:17] <KiwlJazz> https://www.chronicle.com/article/Tax-Reform-That-Students/241935?cid=trend_right_a
8260[2017-12-02 18:10:18] <rabble_bot> ^ Tax Reform That Students, Colleges, and Our Country Can’t Afford - The Chronicle of Higher Education
8261[2017-12-02 18:10:50] <KiwlJazz> Warren said we could of paid off everyones Student Loans in America and still have money left over with the cost of this tax bill
8262[2017-12-02 18:11:11] <Nelluk> probably, although the costs are pretty hypothetical
8263[2017-12-02 18:11:38] <KiwlJazz> well CBO never got to see it
8264[2017-12-02 18:12:02] <Nelluk> i think JCT said it would cost 1.5 trillion over 10 years
8265[2017-12-02 18:12:12] <usr> In the near future governance will be done by a machine learning government that randomly executes proposals and measures the net happiness of all its subjects who have mandatory neural chips. Those neural chips will leverage the spare brainpower to mine Bitcoin when the subjects engage in passive leisure activities like watching TV to maximize the energy efficiency of the society as a replacement 
8266[2017-12-02 18:12:18] <usr> for income tax. In this way there is no obesity, and all members of the society add value
8267[2017-12-02 18:12:35] <Nelluk> republicans seem to truly believe thatit will spur enough activity to pay for itself. almost a matter of pure faith.
8268[2017-12-02 18:12:43] <KiwlJazz> fuck that I'm not having any god damn chip put in my head
8269[2017-12-02 18:12:47] <KiwlJazz> or any part of me
8270[2017-12-02 18:12:57] <KiwlJazz> fuck transhumanism cybernetic slave shit
8271[2017-12-02 18:13:09] <usr> KiwlJazz: you don't have a choice, it's like a tax. I don't want it either 
8272[2017-12-02 18:13:11] <DilloMeister> rofl usr
8273[2017-12-02 18:13:28] <KiwlJazz> ...I do have a choice
8274[2017-12-02 18:13:32] <KiwlJazz> the can just kill me
8275[2017-12-02 18:13:45] <usr> KiwlJazz: They install it at birth before your consent 
8276[2017-12-02 18:13:49] <KiwlJazz> if i'm so usefull and disagreeable
8277[2017-12-02 18:13:50] <usr> Like a circumcision 
8278[2017-12-02 18:14:34] <KiwlJazz> I don't like the idea of the future at all anymore...isn't much of one
8279[2017-12-02 18:15:02] <KiwlJazz> Was reading Uber/Lyft forum and so many drivers said they plan to quit come December 31st
8280[2017-12-02 18:15:11] <usr> Lol i'm just making fun of futurists, i don't think this will actually happen
8281[2017-12-02 18:15:15] <KiwlJazz> because they will loose all their deductions that make working gig economy work
8282[2017-12-02 18:15:25] <Nelluk> more fares for you!
8283[2017-12-02 18:15:31] <mooses> Nelluk: republicians don't believe in welfare unless it's for large corporations
8284[2017-12-02 18:15:32] <mooses> :(
8285[2017-12-02 18:15:36] <KiwlJazz> I don't even own a car Nelluk
8286[2017-12-02 18:16:14] <usr> mooses: Do you think inflation helps the economy? 
8287[2017-12-02 18:16:27] <KiwlJazz> This will destroy 16% of our economy which is gig economy...we are headed for a depression for sure. This tax bill will decimate and destroy colleges unless you are ultra wealthy
8288[2017-12-02 18:16:39] <KiwlJazz> your parents are welling to borrow against the equity in their house
8289[2017-12-02 18:16:42] <mooses> usr: I'll pass on the questions; I'm very uneducated in economics.
8290[2017-12-02 18:16:44] <Nelluk> awfully strong statements for pure speculation
8291[2017-12-02 18:16:51] <KiwlJazz> or sell their house and live in the car to pay for you to go to college
8292[2017-12-02 18:17:26] <usr> mooses: It was a test of contradiction, if you were to say yes, then you would have created a logical contradiction. That's the effect of tax cuts
8293[2017-12-02 18:17:38] <usr> They just cause inflation 
8294[2017-12-02 18:18:02] <Nelluk> woahdude
8295[2017-12-02 18:18:13] <KiwlJazz> Usr historically....when wages rised along with Inflation it wasn't really a negative effect
8296[2017-12-02 18:18:22] <KiwlJazz> in the 70s inflation kept rising and wages didn't
8297[2017-12-02 18:18:35] <KiwlJazz> so inflation became...bad and really unmanageable
8298[2017-12-02 18:18:48] <mooses> usr: Ahhhh
8299[2017-12-02 18:18:49] <KiwlJazz> some used to argue inflation drove wage growth
8300[2017-12-02 18:18:56] <usr> KiwlJazz: Inflation doesn't necessitate wage increase, but wage increase does necessitate inflation 
8301[2017-12-02 18:18:57] <KiwlJazz> untill it broke in the 70s
8302[2017-12-02 18:20:41] <usr> KiwlJazz: how did it break?
8303[2017-12-02 18:21:13] <KiwlJazz> wages stopped going on and remained stagnant
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8307[2017-12-02 18:23:35] <KiwlJazz> what can you do to fight inflation but tax everyone to death
8308[2017-12-02 18:26:42] <JamGobbar> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/12/02/trump-waffles-on-corporate-tax-rate-demand-central-plank-of-gop-tax-plan/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_corporatetax-316pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory <<=- another orange hitler flipflop
8309[2017-12-02 18:26:43] <rabble_bot> ^ Hours after Senate GOP passes tax bill, Trump says he’ll consider raising corporate rate - The Washington Post
8310[2017-12-02 18:28:44] <usr> KiwlJazz: Bonds
8311[2017-12-02 18:29:06] <KiwlJazz> how would bonds help
8312[2017-12-02 18:29:58] <usr> KiwlJazz: you prevent money from being spent, effectively decreasing the money supply. That money is then destroyed
8313[2017-12-02 18:31:20] <JamGobbar> https://nypost.com/2017/12/02/legendary-opera-conductor-molested-teen-for-years-police-report/ <<=--- et tu opera?!
8314[2017-12-02 18:31:21] <rabble_bot> ^ Legendary opera conductor molested teen for years: police report | New York Post
8315[2017-12-02 18:31:45] <JamGobbar> childmolestation trascends musical genre, clearly
8316[2017-12-02 18:31:59] <coffeeguy> from aliens in MiB2 "Bend Him"
8317[2017-12-02 18:32:33] <KiwlJazz> what makes children attractive
8318[2017-12-02 18:33:03] <usr> KiwlJazz: these people are diseased 
8319[2017-12-02 18:33:47] <KiwlJazz> in an age with technology...with...tinder, grindr and craigslist and whatever other cesspoll you can find someone to have sex with you for free
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8321[2017-12-02 18:34:54] <KiwlJazz> and if you really want power over someone...just run for office as a fascist
8322[2017-12-02 18:36:59] <usr> Anyone who runs for office wants power, and that's the entire problem as Plato remarked
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8331[2017-12-02 18:56:19] <JamGobbar> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/02/obama-should-be-arrested-for-implying-trump-needs-a-filter-fox-business-host-suggests/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_obama-trump-620pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory rofl
8332[2017-12-02 18:56:20] <rabble_bot> ^ Obama should be arrested for implying Trump needs a filter, Fox Business host suggests - The Washington Post
8333[2017-12-02 18:56:30] <JamGobbar> deluded fuck
8334[2017-12-02 18:59:04] <nomic> ok
8335[2017-12-02 18:59:12] <nomic> m gonna have bacon and egg sandwiches
8336[2017-12-02 18:59:17] <nomic> yesyesyes
8337[2017-12-02 18:59:29] <DilloMeister> JamGobbar> deluded fuck << I hate it when that happens
8338[2017-12-02 18:59:35] <KiwlJazz> I want one Nomic
8339[2017-12-02 18:59:38] <KiwlJazz> lol
8340[2017-12-02 19:00:38] <nomic> ok kiwljazz
8341[2017-12-02 19:01:09] <KiwlJazz> think I have some sausage in the freezer
8342[2017-12-02 19:02:08] <KiwlJazz> zDamn Hillary Clinton is a petty bitch
8343[2017-12-02 19:02:19] <KiwlJazz> She says Matt Lauer got his karma
8344[2017-12-02 19:02:46] <zapster> What is arguably most disturbing about this case is that then-National Security Adviser Flynn was pushed into a perjury trap by Obama administration holdovers at the Justice Department who concocted an unorthodox legal rationale for subjecting Flynn to an FBI interrogation four days after he took office, testing Flynn’s recollection of the conversations while the FBI agents had transcripts of the calls intercepted by the Nationa
8345[2017-12-02 19:02:46] <zapster> l Security Agency.
8346[2017-12-02 19:02:56] <zapster> In other words, the Justice Department wasn’t seeking information about what Flynn said to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak – the intelligence agencies already had that information. Instead, Flynn was being quizzed on his precise recollection of the conversations and nailed for lying when his recollections deviated from the transcripts.
8347[2017-12-02 19:02:57] <KiwlJazz> ot everything is about her
8348[2017-12-02 19:03:12] <zapster> For Americans who worry about how the pervasive surveillance powers of the U.S. government could be put to use criminalizing otherwise constitutionally protected speech and political associations, Flynn’s prosecution represents a troubling precedent.
8349[2017-12-02 19:03:30] <usr> What's that from zapster? I just assumed he was a scumbag
8350[2017-12-02 19:04:40] <zapster> Yates’s legal theorizing was so elastic and speculative that it could be used to justify subjecting almost anyone to FBI interrogation with the knowledge that their imperfect memories would guarantee the grounds for prosecution based on NSA intercepts of their communications.
8351[2017-12-02 19:04:48] <zapster> sounds highly likely
8352[2017-12-02 19:05:07] <usr> zapster: Source? or is this your own original analysis?
8353[2017-12-02 19:05:14] <KiwlJazz> so what happens to Flynn
8354[2017-12-02 19:05:20] <zapster> At the time of Flynn’s interrogation, the Justice Department was under the control of Yates and the FBI was still under President Obama’s FBI Director James Comey, another official hostile to the Trump administration who later was fired by Trump.
8355[2017-12-02 19:05:20] <KiwlJazz> he gonna serve jail time?
8356[2017-12-02 19:07:45] <KiwlJazz> I don't care for my web browswer policing what websites i can or can't go to
8357[2017-12-02 19:08:21] <zapster> The Dec. 29 phone call occurred while Flynn was vacationing in the Dominican Republic and thus he would have been without the usual support staff for memorializing or transcribing official conversations. So, the FBI agents, with the NSA’s transcripts, would have had a clearer account of what was said than Flynn likely had from memory. The content of Flynn’s request to Kislyak also appears rather uncontroversial, asking the Russi
8358[2017-12-02 19:08:21] <zapster> ans not to overreact to a punitive policy from the outgoing Obama administration.
8359[2017-12-02 19:08:33] <zapster> this sure looks like an attempt at a frame
8360[2017-12-02 19:08:58] <KiwlJazz> I thought they admitted as much as Flynn isn't important
8361[2017-12-02 19:09:03] <KiwlJazz> only a tool being used
8362[2017-12-02 19:09:49] <mooses> yup, just a stepping stone
8363[2017-12-02 19:10:00] <usr> https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/01/the-scalp-taking-of-gen-flynn/?print=print
8364[2017-12-02 19:10:03] <rabble_bot> ^ The Scalp-Taking of Gen. Flynn - Consortiumnews
8365[2017-12-02 19:10:03] <mooses> KiwlJazz: it'll likely be ~2 years more of people going down
8366[2017-12-02 19:10:16] <KiwlJazz> Kusher is their next target...or should be
8367[2017-12-02 19:10:21] <zapster> Yet, besides the collateral damage inflicted on mid-level government officials such as retired Lt. Gen. Flynn facing personal destruction at the hands of federal prosecutors with unlimited budgets, there is this deepening pattern of using criminal law to settle political differences, a process more common in authoritarian states.
8368[2017-12-02 19:10:26] <mooses> KiwlJazz: That much is very likely
8369[2017-12-02 19:10:32] <mooses> zapster: stop teh copy/pasta
8370[2017-12-02 19:10:41] <zapster> As much as the Russia-gate enthusiasts talk about how they are upholding “the rule of law,” there is the troubling appearance that the law is simply being used to collect the scalps of political enemies.
8371[2017-12-02 19:10:43] <zapster> indeed. 
8372[2017-12-02 19:10:53] <mooses> use your own words or at least credit who you are plagarizing.
8373[2017-12-02 19:11:04] <KiwlJazz> I saw something about how Kusher is behind some bullshit in Saudi Arabia
8374[2017-12-02 19:11:12] <KiwlJazz> he doesn't even have security clearance
8375[2017-12-02 19:11:22] <KiwlJazz> but hes meddling and involved in some messy shit
8376[2017-12-02 19:11:24] <mooses> KiwlJazz: there's so much shady shit with kushner
8377[2017-12-02 19:11:25] <zapster> and both parties have wasted interminable amounts of time on such witch hunts 
8378[2017-12-02 19:12:01] <KiwlJazz> Who are the Kushners really?
8379[2017-12-02 19:12:05] <zapster> https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/02/edward-r-murrows-timeless-warnings/
8380[2017-12-02 19:12:06] <rabble_bot> ^ Edward R. Murrow’s Timeless Warnings – Consortiumnews
8381[2017-12-02 19:12:27] <zapster> prolly trying to get a deal on a hotel ;)
8382[2017-12-02 19:12:29] * CosmicWitch_ → CosmicWitch
8383[2017-12-02 19:12:32] <KiwlJazz> I mean i know his dad is a real estate developer like Trump....but with a networth of 19 billion dollars
8384[2017-12-02 19:12:42] <KiwlJazz> why aren't they as famous as Trump
8385[2017-12-02 19:13:18] <DilloMeister> Good Night, and Good Luck. (2005) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433383/
8386[2017-12-02 19:13:20] <rabble_bot> ^ Good Night, and Good Luck. (2005) - IMDb
8387[2017-12-02 19:13:38] <mooses> KiwlJazz: a vast majority of the ultra rich (like the Kush's family) prefer to stay out of the news/limelight while enjoying all the benefits of society without following the rules of said society.
8388[2017-12-02 19:13:42] <zapster> Americans will be afraid to appear due to “Guilt by Association,” which in its current form is being used to suggest that any Russian who happens to be attending the same social event as President Trump is therefore proof that Trump is a Russian collaborator.
8389[2017-12-02 19:13:49] <DilloMeister> excellent movie about Murrow and The McCarthy Hearings in the 1950s
8390[2017-12-02 19:13:58] <mooses> zapster: for real - why do you just copy/paste dump
8391[2017-12-02 19:14:06] <mooses> it's obvious you're using someone else's words
8392[2017-12-02 19:14:07] <KiwlJazz> Mosses exactly
8393[2017-12-02 19:14:19] <zapster> a lot of people will be disappointed in having to give going to russia for the world cup...
8394[2017-12-02 19:14:23] <mooses> KiwlJazz: makes it very difficult to talk to them
8395[2017-12-02 19:14:25] <zapster> *give up
8396[2017-12-02 19:14:29] <mooses> all they do is spam 
8397[2017-12-02 19:14:32] <KiwlJazz> but it seems like its hard to not leave a trail or mark about influencing shit
8398[2017-12-02 19:14:50] <KiwlJazz> shit gets nammed after rich donors
8399[2017-12-02 19:15:04] <zapster> Thus, by extrapolation, “Guilt by Association” will be used to denounce any American who appears on “RT America” and presents a narrative that conflicts with the narrative being broadcast by the mainstream media.
8400[2017-12-02 19:15:07] <zapster> not allowed anymore
8401[2017-12-02 19:15:11] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Gowdy Used Taxpayer Money To Pay Settlement To Aide Who Was Wrongfully Terminated <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/gowdy-used-taxpayer-money-pay-settlement>
8402[2017-12-02 19:15:18] <mooses> more copy paste
8403[2017-12-02 19:15:41] <KiwlJazz> Cory Booker talked about how Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump threw fundraisers for him
8404[2017-12-02 19:15:48] <KiwlJazz> when she was a registered democrat
8405[2017-12-02 19:16:27] <zapster> https://www.c-span.org/video/?436033-1/hollywood-blacklist-70th-commemoration
8406[2017-12-02 19:16:30] <rabble_bot> ^ Hollywood Blacklist 70th Commemoration, Oct 27 2017 | Video | C-SPAN.org
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8408[2017-12-02 19:17:08] <KiwlJazz> HUAC
8409[2017-12-02 19:17:17] <KiwlJazz> yeah thats the bullshit gave rise to Ronald Reagan
8410[2017-12-02 19:17:31] <KiwlJazz> he was on the "good side"
8411[2017-12-02 19:17:43] <mouses> KiwlJazz: ++++
8412[2017-12-02 19:18:08] <KiwlJazz> There are times you think the two parties are similar
8413[2017-12-02 19:18:36] <KiwlJazz> and then shit happens like this tax bill and you can't help but wonder if its all out war
8414[2017-12-02 19:19:04] <DilloMeister> both serve the same masters (M/I/Security complex)
8415[2017-12-02 19:19:27] <DilloMeister> they differ only on relatively trivial issues
8416[2017-12-02 19:19:46] <DilloMeister> oh, and the banking community ;)
8417[2017-12-02 19:19:55] <DilloMeister> I voted Libertarian in 2016
8418[2017-12-02 19:20:10] <mouses> DilloMeister: I admire your principles but really question your logic
8419[2017-12-02 19:20:20] <mouses> one could argue you didn't even vote
8420[2017-12-02 19:20:40] <DilloMeister> which has made the wars possible, betting on both sides since the Napoleonic Wars
8421[2017-12-02 19:20:55] <KiwlJazz> ...yes and no...i mean...theres like entirely different networks or people
8422[2017-12-02 19:21:25] <DilloMeister> I couldn't vote for either of the major party 'deplorables'
8423[2017-12-02 19:21:35] <KiwlJazz> there are places and people who will never cross paths
8424[2017-12-02 19:21:55] <mouses> DilloMeister: I was not a fan of either option, but picked the 'non bat shit crazy' one
8425[2017-12-02 19:22:09] <KiwlJazz> i talk about all the people who work at lobbying firms and think tanks...some political strategist
8426[2017-12-02 19:22:10] <zapster> https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/937150114069585920
8427[2017-12-02 19:22:11] <rabble_bot> ^ Lee Fang on Twitter: "The Koch brothers spent hundreds of millions of dollars on think tanks & TV ads warning about the deficit during the Obama admin. This year… https://t.co/rNlojp1LTH"
8428[2017-12-02 19:22:13] <mouses> I'm not a huge HRC fan, but she could have done the job with class and decorum
8429[2017-12-02 19:22:31] <zapster> and so they won because dems are too stupid to listen to experts that aren't on the kochs' payroll 
8430[2017-12-02 19:22:32] <mouses> zapster: republicians only support welfare if it's going to the 1%
8431[2017-12-02 19:22:40] <mouses> they love welfare
8432[2017-12-02 19:22:43] <mouses> just only for them
8433[2017-12-02 19:22:52] <KiwlJazz> thats not wellfare
8434[2017-12-02 19:22:59] <mouses> KiwlJazz: corporate welfare :)
8435[2017-12-02 19:23:04] <KiwlJazz> theres another word for it
8436[2017-12-02 19:23:10] <KiwlJazz> i'll think of it in a moment
8437[2017-12-02 19:23:12] <DilloMeister> mouses> DilloMeister: I was not a fan of either option, but picked the 'non bat shit crazy' one << the one who didn't do Libya?
8438[2017-12-02 19:23:15] <DilloMeister> lol
8439[2017-12-02 19:23:16] <mouses> KiwlJazz: Which is probably a better word, I was being mostly silly
8440[2017-12-02 19:23:27] <mouses> DilloMeister: Oh, I'm familiar.
8441[2017-12-02 19:23:28] <KiwlJazz> paying tributes to gods
8442[2017-12-02 19:23:29] <KiwlJazz> or something
8443[2017-12-02 19:23:34] <KiwlJazz> well the think themselves as gods
8444[2017-12-02 19:23:36] <mouses> DilloMeister: but come on man - this current thing we got going?
8445[2017-12-02 19:23:38] <mouses> this is a shit show
8446[2017-12-02 19:23:41] <KiwlJazz> we have to pay our tributes to them
8447[2017-12-02 19:23:43] <KiwlJazz> to exist
8448[2017-12-02 19:23:44] <mouses> it's freaking embarassing, di
8449[2017-12-02 19:23:46] <mouses> DilloMeister*
8450[2017-12-02 19:23:55] <DilloMeister> 2018 will be damned interesting
8451[2017-12-02 19:23:59] <mouses> we look like absolute morons to the rest of the world right now
8452[2017-12-02 19:24:03] <KiwlJazz> its some Fuedal kingdom Game of Thrones/Lord of the Rings bullshit
8453[2017-12-02 19:24:04] <KiwlJazz> lol
8454[2017-12-02 19:24:08] <mouses> KiwlJazz: hahahah yes
8455[2017-12-02 19:24:16] <mouses> KiwlJazz: it's wearing on me
8456[2017-12-02 19:24:19] <mouses> it's getting hard to care
8457[2017-12-02 19:24:29] <DilloMeister> as opposed to the Clinton & Bush dynasties??
8458[2017-12-02 19:24:47] <DilloMeister> "I'm a War President!!"
8459[2017-12-02 19:25:02] <mouses> Oh, those were pretty bad too
8460[2017-12-02 19:25:04] <KiwlJazz> there are more families than Bush and Clintons
8461[2017-12-02 19:25:07] <mouses> hell obama with the drone shit
8462[2017-12-02 19:25:17] <mouses> I'm not a fan of any of the war stuff KiwlJazz - don't get me wrong
8463[2017-12-02 19:25:30] <mouses> KiwlJazz: but this current admin = unstable and not able to do it's job
8464[2017-12-02 19:25:34] <KiwlJazz> I see why Obama did what he did...not that im in agreement
8465[2017-12-02 19:25:35] <DilloMeister> James McMurtry - Cheney's Toy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imshG_wDzmY
8466[2017-12-02 19:25:36] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - James McMurtry - Cheney's Toy :: Duration: 05:50
8467[2017-12-02 19:25:38] <mouses> it's making the world a more dangerous place
8468[2017-12-02 19:25:44] <DilloMeister> great tune from an Austin musician
8469[2017-12-02 19:25:45] <KiwlJazz> but Obama thought he was doing better than G.W. Bush
8470[2017-12-02 19:25:49] <KiwlJazz> by using drones
8471[2017-12-02 19:26:12] <KiwlJazz> well he thought he wasn't putting u.s. troops in harms way
8472[2017-12-02 19:26:27] <mouses> KiwlJazz: of all the stupid stupid stupid ways I might die.... I think about going in a nuke blast due to my @potus getting into a 6AM twitter fight with some unstable madman
8473[2017-12-02 19:26:29] <KiwlJazz> and the number of casualties to U.S. troops was a big criticism of Bush
8474[2017-12-02 19:26:34] <mouses> i mean what the fuck is up with that
8475[2017-12-02 19:27:01] <KiwlJazz> I think nuclear war is more likely if something like that Tax bill is possible
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8478[2017-12-02 19:27:25] <mouses> KiwlJazz: the tension lately is scary, and this admin is doing nothing to help
8479[2017-12-02 19:27:34] <KiwlJazz> i dunno the world is unstable...it just feels like its a lot of unessecary instability
8480[2017-12-02 19:27:39] — mouses nods
8481[2017-12-02 19:27:41] <KiwlJazz> opposed to years ago
8482[2017-12-02 19:27:52] <mouses> KiwlJazz: I feel we are much more 'unstable' under Trump than we were under Obama
8483[2017-12-02 19:28:00] <mouses> from a global view
8484[2017-12-02 19:28:05] <mouses> but, it is a more unstable time
8485[2017-12-02 19:30:02] <KiwlJazz> rover the years some of the worst places have rebuilt and advanced and gotten better...its worrisome the places that aren't the worst off really are falling apart
8486[2017-12-02 19:30:37] <mouses> KiwlJazz: As one who lives in rural poor USA, the shit part is that none of this 'trump' insanity has made anything better here - the decline still goes on
8487[2017-12-02 19:30:50] <mouses> no working infastructure, mass poverty, etc
8488[2017-12-02 19:31:30] <mouses> Why these working class people get fooled into thinking one of the 0.1% like Trump actually gives a shit or can identify with them at all...
8489[2017-12-02 19:31:40] <mouses> after shaking your hand the man takes a purell path
8490[2017-12-02 19:31:42] <mouses> bath*
8491[2017-12-02 19:31:50] <KiwlJazz> Because hes an outsider
8492[2017-12-02 19:31:54] <mouses> hahahahha
8493[2017-12-02 19:32:10] <mouses> he 'tells it like it is'
8494[2017-12-02 19:32:12] <KiwlJazz> Because he denigrated everyone despite being a hypocrite
8495[2017-12-02 19:32:34] <mouses> Oh well - it'll be over before much longer.
8496[2017-12-02 19:32:53] <KiwlJazz> I dunno what Trump thinks...hes a very strange person
8497[2017-12-02 19:33:09] <zapster> our next cops: http://theantimedia.org/israel-robot-army/
8498[2017-12-02 19:33:10] <rabble_bot> ^ Israel Has Built a Robot Army — and It Should Scare the Sh*t Out of You
8499[2017-12-02 19:33:20] <KiwlJazz> To be in his presence and ask him questions you won't get straightforward answers
8500[2017-12-02 19:33:34] <KiwlJazz> he just rambles and changes the subject
8501[2017-12-02 19:33:38] <mouses> KiwlJazz: yup
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8503[2017-12-02 19:34:39] <zapster> while the dems are working hard to make sure they continue to lose
8504[2017-12-02 19:34:46] <KiwlJazz> BUt was a time he used to buy politicians no different than the Kochs, Mercers or Sheldon Addelson
8505[2017-12-02 19:34:54] <KiwlJazz> He endorsed Hillary Clinton in 2008
8506[2017-12-02 19:35:06] <KiwlJazz> and held fundraisers for John McCain the same time
8507[2017-12-02 19:35:28] <KiwlJazz> i dunno
8508[2017-12-02 19:35:38] <mouses> KiwlJazz: yup money buys power
8509[2017-12-02 19:35:43] <mouses> power makes you more money
8510[2017-12-02 19:35:45] <mouses> which buys more power
8511[2017-12-02 19:35:50] <mouses> it's a endless cycle
8512[2017-12-02 19:36:18] <KiwlJazz> I joke he just got fed up and felt best return on his money was running himself
8513[2017-12-02 19:36:48] <mouses> Trump's 'tax plan' works out well for Trump / friends / family
8514[2017-12-02 19:37:17] <KiwlJazz> but then again Trump is an odd person to me...cause as I understand him and what he does...he makes most of his money from real estate...his serious money. Sure hes tried selling ties and steaks and other shit but seriously most of his money is in real estate
8515[2017-12-02 19:37:42] <KiwlJazz> i don't see how or why he cares about a great deal of things that as I see have no effect on real estate sector
8516[2017-12-02 19:38:20] <KiwlJazz> another why I don't get where hes comming from or how will he benefit from the shit he wants like renogotiating trade deals
8517[2017-12-02 19:38:23] <KiwlJazz> or building walls
8518[2017-12-02 19:38:52] <mouses> the wall thing = borderline insanity
8519[2017-12-02 19:39:12] <KiwlJazz> then again I've heard people say Trump hates Wall Street
8520[2017-12-02 19:39:18] <mouses> one only needs to look back to 2009 when we spent billions on the current wall
8521[2017-12-02 19:39:22] <KiwlJazz> and banks cause they wouldn't lend to him
8522[2017-12-02 19:39:30] <mouses> KiwlJazz: he never needed bank loans
8523[2017-12-02 19:39:35] <mouses> he had daddy for that
8524[2017-12-02 19:39:36] <JamGobbar> babylon sister
8525[2017-12-02 19:39:38] <JamGobbar> SHAKE IT
8526[2017-12-02 19:39:43] <mouses> remember, he got in a shit load of trouble for that KiwlJazz 
8527[2017-12-02 19:39:51] <KiwlJazz> so its like why help the sector
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8530[2017-12-02 19:39:57] <mouses> daddy was funneling money to Trump through his casinos to avoid taxes
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8534[2017-12-02 19:43:38] <JamGobbar> https://nypost.com/2017/12/02/golden-krust-ceo-kills-himself-in-bronx-factory/ <<=--- his crust was not so golden anymore :/
8535[2017-12-02 19:43:39] <rabble_bot> ^ ‘Golden Krust’ CEO kills himself in Bronx factory | New York Post
8536[2017-12-02 19:45:50] <nomic> was right to take time with this .. v difficult nxt stage
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8538[2017-12-02 19:47:33] <JamGobbar> https://nypost.com/2017/12/02/trump-transition-official-emailed-that-russia-has-just-thrown-the-usa-election-to-him/
8539[2017-12-02 19:47:35] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump transition official emailed that Russia “has just thrown the USA election” to him | New York Post
8540[2017-12-02 19:47:35] <JamGobbar> lol
8541[2017-12-02 19:47:51] <JamGobbar> Newly revealed emails show that senior members of Trump’s transition team discussed Mike Flynn’s contacts with Russia — including one missive that said Obama’ s sanctions could upset Russia “which has just thrown the USA election” to Trump.
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8544[2017-12-02 19:48:46] <JamGobbar> even trump's team knew wtf was going on
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8547[2017-12-02 19:54:41] <zapster> wow, the blacklist lasted until 1960..
8548[2017-12-02 19:55:50] <mouses> JamGobbar: wow
8549[2017-12-02 19:55:59] <mouses> JamGobbar: that's kinda huge
8550[2017-12-02 20:00:57] <zapster> wow, they blacklisted the man that wrote the lone ranger, on the road to burma, and other moscow ridden propaganda..
8551[2017-12-02 20:01:58] <mouses> zapster: back in the 50's and 60's?
8552[2017-12-02 20:04:01] <zapster> yeah. started around '47 I believe. continued through the 50s
8553[2017-12-02 20:04:20] <zapster> kirk douglas was one of the actors that helped to break it in 1960
8554[2017-12-02 20:04:47] <zapster> this is quite interesting: https://www.c-span.org/video/?436033-1/hollywood-blacklist-70th-commemoration
8555[2017-12-02 20:04:50] <rabble_bot> ^ Hollywood Blacklist 70th Commemoration, Oct 27 2017 | Video | C-SPAN.org
8556[2017-12-02 20:05:04] <zapster> the children of the victims giving stories on it 
8557[2017-12-02 20:08:41] <zapster> this is why we need to resist these witchhunts. there are real issues that can be criticized, but making stuff up tarnishes the perpetrator as badly as their victims. 
8558[2017-12-02 20:10:54] <zapster> they destroyed so many careers. stuck people in jail for nothing more than politicial thought
8559[2017-12-02 20:12:23] <nomic> kirk douglas is still around
8560[2017-12-02 20:12:28] — DilloMeister wants to know who zapster has touched inapropriately lol
8561[2017-12-02 20:12:28] <nomic> is over 100 now
8562[2017-12-02 20:12:52] <zapster> lol. never without consent ;)
8563[2017-12-02 20:13:55] <zapster> whoa, reagan was working for the fbi when he was an actor? 
8564[2017-12-02 20:14:57] <DilloMeister> all you need is more debt, right zapster?
8565[2017-12-02 20:15:14] <nomic> i can't describe wut im trying cos i may fail
8566[2017-12-02 20:15:15] <zapster> unless it's government debt. then sure, I do need it :)
8567[2017-12-02 20:15:18] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: C&L's Sat Nite Chiller Theater: The Changling (1980) <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/cls-sat-nite-chiller-theater-changling>
8568[2017-12-02 20:15:22] <zapster> I'll stick it right in my bank account
8569[2017-12-02 20:15:28] <DilloMeister> printing money out of thin air has no effect on the economy
8570[2017-12-02 20:15:39] <zapster> that's wrong. 
8571[2017-12-02 20:15:44] <zapster> it promotes growth of real wealth
8572[2017-12-02 20:16:03] <zapster> you take printed money and buy things all the time
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8574[2017-12-02 20:17:01] <zapster> ever play monopoly the way you think this works? 
8575[2017-12-02 20:17:06] <zapster> try it some time
8576[2017-12-02 20:18:40] <nomic> is jeet still banned?
8577[2017-12-02 20:18:43] <nomic> will be miserable
8578[2017-12-02 20:18:49] <zapster> pfft
8579[2017-12-02 20:19:02] <zapster> he has his own channel you know
8580[2017-12-02 20:19:09] <nomic> which one
8581[2017-12-02 20:19:20] <zapster> can't recall what it's called. I think it's on undernet
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8588[2017-12-02 20:22:41] <zapster> it's been so nice without his trolling tho :\
8589[2017-12-02 20:22:59] <JamGobbar> i missed his flags
8590[2017-12-02 20:24:44] <zapster> :\
8591[2017-12-02 20:25:55] <zapster> his constant jeering and trivializing of interesting discussians was disruptive and boring
8592[2017-12-02 20:29:41] <zapster> wants freedom to be a dick, but can't tolerate people freely discussing whatever he has rejected, pretty much invariably without any evidence
8593[2017-12-02 20:30:19] <xau> I think I'll just say something during the period of jeet's exile.
8594[2017-12-02 20:30:22] <xau> There, I've said it.
8595[2017-12-02 20:30:35] <zapster> enjoyable innit? 
8596[2017-12-02 20:30:43] <xau> sigh
8597[2017-12-02 20:30:57] <zapster> the son of the guy that played dr. hunnicut on mash
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8601[2017-12-02 20:41:51] <nomic> couldn't believe i was back @ that hospital (penny lane) .. is all i thinka bout
8602[2017-12-02 20:42:20] <nomic> like .. he didn't tell me ... i found out myself that it'd been sold .. spire healtcare = biggest uk private hospital firm .. was = prime site
8603[2017-12-02 20:42:36] <nomic> was xclusive private hospital .. they used to treat arabs etc
8604[2017-12-02 20:43:01] <nomic> wasn't like 'NHS .. even though .. the lab was doing nhs tests, business .. linked into nhs systems
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8606[2017-12-02 20:50:13] <nomic> its just that added edge of weariness .removed by not having to use the stupdi fking gedi t.. also .. 
8607[2017-12-02 20:50:21] <nomic> gradually enhancing
8608[2017-12-02 20:50:30] <nomic> fking everything .. = 'weary'
8609[2017-12-02 20:56:01] <zapster> story after story of people being framed for nothing more than conversatons with members of the moscow ballet, for example
8610[2017-12-02 20:56:55] <zapster> ranks right up there with doing an interview on rt
8611[2017-12-02 20:57:48] <zapster> prison time for nothing more. most weren't communists 
8612[2017-12-02 20:59:31] <zapster> lee grant blacklisted from 1954 until 1964
8613[2017-12-02 20:59:58] <zapster> 52-64
8614[2017-12-02 21:02:01] <nomic> they were v mean to charlie chaplin .. his movie "monsier verdoux", he was promoting in europe .. they told him he was blacklisted when he was out of the country (then they banned his film) .. he never returned
8615[2017-12-02 21:02:11] <zapster> oh yeah
8616[2017-12-02 21:02:20] <mouses> yeah they fucked with chaplin a lot
8617[2017-12-02 21:02:23] <mouses> really sad time in history
8618[2017-12-02 21:02:55] <zapster> lee grant telling about another actor that had a heart attack a month after they subpoenaed him
8619[2017-12-02 21:03:07] <zapster> couldn't take the stress 
8620[2017-12-02 21:03:15] <nomic> monsieur verdoux is a beautiful movie
8621[2017-12-02 21:03:55] <zapster> the ones that left the country did better than the ones that stayed
8622[2017-12-02 21:04:38] <nomic> chaplin ended up in switzerland .. where he died
8623[2017-12-02 21:04:43] <zapster> yeah
8624[2017-12-02 21:04:59] <zapster> smart people will be leaving this country soon too
8625[2017-12-02 21:05:05] <nomic> chaplin was smart .. he kept all his money
8626[2017-12-02 21:05:54] <nomic> that was his mansion in switzerland  https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F8%2F85%2FManoirdeBan.jpg&sp=b6d1c84466700472700b5a18dce35403
8627[2017-12-02 21:06:47] <nomic> chaplin is about the only silent star .. all his films remain .. every single chaplin film, short, has survived
8628[2017-12-02 21:06:58] <nomic> 80pc of silent movies are lost
8629[2017-12-02 21:07:00] <mouses> zapster: i'm getting less and less fond of living in the USA lately :(
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8632[2017-12-02 21:07:16] <zapster> it's scary and embarrassing :\
8633[2017-12-02 21:07:40] <mouses> on that we fully agree, zapster 
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8636[2017-12-02 21:12:10] <zapster> "the communist label has been stuck on anyone that organizes a union"...
8637[2017-12-02 21:15:41] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Open Thread - The Buck <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/open-thread-buck>
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8642[2017-12-02 21:28:43] <djancak> zapster have you seen this yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggasfCOmQK8
8643[2017-12-02 21:28:44] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Internet Comment Etiquette: "Net Neutrality" :: Duration: 15:53
8644[2017-12-02 21:29:59] <nomic> people in theresa mays administration are walking away
8645[2017-12-02 21:30:04] <nomic> she just suffered a huge blow
8646[2017-12-02 21:30:20] <nomic> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/02/theresa-may-crisis-mass-walkout-social-policy-alan-milburn  Alan Milburn and entire social mobility team quit citing ‘lack of political leadership’
8647[2017-12-02 21:30:21] <rabble_bot> ^ Theresa May faces new crisis after mass walkout over social policy | Politics | The Guardian
8648[2017-12-02 21:30:56] <nomic> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/02/alan-milburn-government-not-comitted-to-social-mobility  The government is unable to commit to the social mobility challenge
8649[2017-12-02 21:30:57] <rabble_bot> ^ The government is unable to commit to the social mobility challenge | Alan Milburn | Opinion | The Guardian
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8651[2017-12-02 21:32:12] <nomic> its a huge blow for may
8652[2017-12-02 21:32:29] <nomic> reports business leaders are now planning for corbyn administration
8653[2017-12-02 21:33:59] <nomic> "Austerity didn't improve the economy. There is nothing that they can point to after exhausting all their ideas and wearing thin and testing every last bit of their ideology to destruction."
8654[2017-12-02 21:34:44] <nomic> Labour have now managed to stretch out an 8 point lead in the latest poll.
8655[2017-12-02 21:34:54] <nomic> those are official polls .. tories own polls have it far worse
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8658[2017-12-02 21:35:05] <nomic> theresa may is HATED
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8664[2017-12-02 21:53:12] <JamGobbar> http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/02/politics/trump-tweet-flynn-firing-fbi-reaction/index.html
8665[2017-12-02 21:53:13] <rabble_bot> ^ Critics react to Trump's tweet on firing Flynn - CNNPolitics
8666[2017-12-02 21:53:20] <JamGobbar> lets hope they get trump for obstruction
8667[2017-12-02 21:53:23] <JamGobbar> at a minimum
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8670[2017-12-02 21:55:11] <mouses> JamGobbar: ++
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8672[2017-12-02 21:55:49] <JamGobbar> https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/937015426772434944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2017%2F12%2F02%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-tweet-flynn-firing-fbi-reaction%2Findex.html
8673[2017-12-02 21:55:50] <rabble_bot> ^ Dan Pfeiffer on Twitter: "If Trump keeps admitting to obstructing justice, Ty Cobb might be right that the Mueller investigation may wrap up sooner than we think https://t.co/4lKCKyE3Ce"
8674[2017-12-02 21:55:51] <JamGobbar> lol
8675[2017-12-02 22:03:45] <mouses> lmfao
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8680[2017-12-02 22:35:58] <rabble_bot> News from amcon: Dégeneration Americain <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/degeneration/>
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8692[2017-12-03 00:26:33] <OutOfAnswers>  “The life of man [is] solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.” – Thomas Hobbes 
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8694[2017-12-03 00:44:32] <Reader> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-fbi/mueller-removed-fbi-agent-from-russia-probe-for-anti-trump-texts-reports-idUSKBN1DW0Q0
8695[2017-12-03 00:44:33] <rabble_bot> ^ Mueller removed FBI agent from Russia probe for anti-Trump texts: reports | Reuters
8696[2017-12-03 00:54:13] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: SNL Cold Open: White House Christmas Carol <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/snl-cold-open-white-house-christmas-carol>
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8701[2017-12-03 01:38:27] <humbot> https://youtu.be/ufs814NS_jI
8702[2017-12-03 01:38:28] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Die fabulösen Thekenschlampen: Scham Scham Scham :: Duration: 04:01
8703[2017-12-03 01:41:17] <humbot> https://youtu.be/YEzQV7tLDL0
8704[2017-12-03 01:41:18] <rabble_bot> ^ YouTube
8705[2017-12-03 01:41:21] <humbot> bah
8706[2017-12-03 01:41:36] <humbot> https://youtu.be/YEzQV75tLDL0
8707[2017-12-03 01:41:41] <rabble_bot> ^ YouTube
8708[2017-12-03 01:42:10] <humbot> https://youtu.be/YEzQV75LDL0
8709[2017-12-03 01:42:11] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Shirley & Co - Shame Shame Shame :: Duration: 03:48
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8713[2017-12-03 02:19:00] <KiwlJazz> https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanellis/2015/11/12/people-need-to-relax-about-marco-rubios-child-tax-credit/#5d90ccc566d8
8714[2017-12-03 02:19:28] <KiwlJazz> That is what he campaigned on...not sure how close reality got to his ammendmant
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8717[2017-12-03 02:46:22] <humbot> scham scham schaam
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8724[2017-12-03 03:36:56] <humbot> "theresa may is hated"
8725[2017-12-03 03:37:00] <humbot> really?
8726[2017-12-03 03:37:15] <humbot> cameron seems to be fondly remembered already
8727[2017-12-03 03:42:06] <KiwlJazz> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2017/12/02/after-a-high-drama-vote-heres-what-the-senate-tax-bill-means-for-schools-parents-and-students/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.e354c476398c
8728[2017-12-03 03:42:07] <rabble_bot> ^ After a high-drama vote, here’s what the Senate tax bill means for schools, parents and students - The Washington Post
8729[2017-12-03 03:42:42] <KiwlJazz> DeVos praised the House legislation: “This is a good step forward, reflecting that education should be an investment in individual students, not systems,”
8730[2017-12-03 03:42:56] <KiwlJazz> Betsy Devil 
8731[2017-12-03 03:43:29] <KiwlJazz> When Mary Spelling tore into this Tax bill...and the effect it had on education I was surprised
8732[2017-12-03 03:43:53] <KiwlJazz> She was former Secretary of Education...gave us No Child Left Behind
8733[2017-12-03 03:44:05] <KiwlJazz> but even she sees the light and what a disaster this will be
8734[2017-12-03 03:44:23] <KiwlJazz> just feel like living in bizzaro world
8735[2017-12-03 03:44:38] <KiwlJazz> when Bush level Cabinet people criticize Trump Administration
8736[2017-12-03 03:44:45] <KiwlJazz> on how terrible their ideas are
8737[2017-12-03 03:52:38] <rabble_bot> News from nakedcap: Q & A: What Price Do We Put on Our Oceans? <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/q-price-put-oceans.html>
8738[2017-12-03 03:55:51] <humbot> mornin'
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8747[2017-12-03 04:29:59] <julmust> getting too drunk is effectively psychological trauma, you don't know how to process it the next day
8748[2017-12-03 04:30:13] <julmust> but it's all in the mind of the individual
8749[2017-12-03 04:30:38] <troy_cambridge> morning
8750[2017-12-03 04:30:45] <julmust> good morning troy_cambridge 
8751[2017-12-03 04:31:12] <troy_cambridge> nods.   Just drinking my first coffee
8752[2017-12-03 04:31:37] <julmust> awesome
8753[2017-12-03 04:32:00] <troy_cambridge> I don't get drunk very often.  I did after Trump was elected.
8754[2017-12-03 04:32:10] <julmust> haha
8755[2017-12-03 04:32:48] <troy_cambridge> you someone I already know julmust?
8756[2017-12-03 04:32:55] <julmust> no
8757[2017-12-03 04:33:20] <troy_cambridge> OK.  Didn't recognize the nick
8758[2017-12-03 04:34:04] <julmust> non-trump politics took my entire life so one won't be too sorry for a bit of alcohol damage for the other people in politics
8759[2017-12-03 04:35:01] <troy_cambridge> when they go low I get high
8760[2017-12-03 04:35:26] <julmust> it could have all been so easy, western society provides everything one needs to be happy, but they have to side with illegals, criminals, and anything else to cause damage to the western person
8761[2017-12-03 04:35:56] <startups> some people like to drink, some people like to smoke, some people overthink, some people overdose. i’m just trying to get the nices, bottles on ices, pull some all nighters
8762[2017-12-03 04:36:18] <julmust> the wound they have caused runs deep, there were no african females in it for me with this migration
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8764[2017-12-03 04:45:06] <julmust> It seems spirituality might be having a comeback
8765[2017-12-03 04:45:57] <julmust> one of the most sought after jobs in this country is being a priest
8766[2017-12-03 04:46:16] <julmust> that should be an indication from the pulse of society, that they know something is wrong
8767[2017-12-03 04:47:05] <julmust> but we still don't frame it correctly in terms of spirituality, the dark ages weren't that great
8768[2017-12-03 04:47:19] <julmust> they manage to screw it up one way or another
8769[2017-12-03 04:48:05] <julmust> talking in these terms, of being in with the Zeitgeist is also seen as a psychological disorder
8770[2017-12-03 04:48:42] <troy_cambridge> Ohio State beat Wisconsin last night
8771[2017-12-03 04:49:16] <troy_cambridge> Somebody's prayers were answered
8772[2017-12-03 04:49:21] <julmust> it has the effect of squashing the individual that doesn't have enough wealth to buy a piece of history, some valuable artifacts, some italian villa, where the person can say they are part of the history
8773[2017-12-03 04:49:43] <julmust> troy_cambridge: what's that?
8774[2017-12-03 04:50:03] <troy_cambridge> a football game.  I live in Ohio
8775[2017-12-03 04:50:29] <troy_cambridge> My oldest son was at the game.
8776[2017-12-03 04:50:34] <humbot> is pro sport disallowed on Sundays ?
8777[2017-12-03 04:50:55] <troy_cambridge> No.  ost pro football games are on Sunday
8778[2017-12-03 04:50:59] <troy_cambridge> most
8779[2017-12-03 04:51:16] <humbot> oh
8780[2017-12-03 04:51:37] <humbot> i seem to remember a time when only rugby union happened on a sunday
8781[2017-12-03 04:51:44] <troy_cambridge> America isn't as religious as it used to be.
8782[2017-12-03 04:52:16] <troy_cambridge> Used to be ... just 50 years ago ... most things were closed on Sundays
8783[2017-12-03 04:52:43] <julmust> superbowl has also become so politicised, the taking of a knee and all, the people that were for all of that don't have the psychological disorder, they are part of history
8784[2017-12-03 04:52:47] <rabble_bot> News from nakedcap: Links 12/3/17 <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/links-12317-2.html>
8785[2017-12-03 04:52:56] <troy_cambridge> shopping and selling are quite round the clock and ca,endar these days
8786[2017-12-03 04:53:12] <humbot> we would always go hill walking on a Sunday, but the pubs all had to shut at 2pm, so we had to run down the hill often
8787[2017-12-03 04:54:39] <julmust> so one can extrapolate from this, that if you co-opt the zeitgeist with different ways of thinking, you can create the norm regardless of whether it is right or not
8788[2017-12-03 04:55:09] <julmust> and all of the people that don't fit in with that, are like loose pieces in the larger machinery
8789[2017-12-03 04:55:49] <julmust> lost, confused, in despair as there is no spiritual path for them paved in the machinery of society
8790[2017-12-03 04:58:19] <julmust> in fact, saying one is western in itsself implies, racism, oppression, your entire existence being negated against you, I don't think it has been like this ever in the history of the world
8791[2017-12-03 04:59:18] <troy_cambridge> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIYLZOp_Bzc
8792[2017-12-03 04:59:19] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Traffic - Feelin' Alright :: Duration: 04:20
8793[2017-12-03 04:59:43] <troy_cambridge> 'Don't get too lost in all I say'
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8795[2017-12-03 05:00:49] <julmust> it's a really weird thing to talk to the state, to see the glances of the police force, everyone knows how far out one has ended up
8796[2017-12-03 05:01:38] <julmust> but there's nothing that should prevent the individual from interfacing with it all, it's all manufactured from the external forces, they have decided that they are the civilised society
8797[2017-12-03 05:01:43] <julmust> built on false premises
8798[2017-12-03 05:01:56] <troy_cambridge> perhaps it is all about roles.  Pick one and indecision fades away
8799[2017-12-03 05:02:41] <julmust> troy_cambridge: it's risky, after having done one's role in IT for the past 15 years, one can't risk picking a role and keeping quiet
8800[2017-12-03 05:03:10] <julmust> the risk is that it will ensure the next 15 years in total isolation and solitude
8801[2017-12-03 05:03:13] <troy_cambridge> That's why they always ask you what you are going to be when you grow up.  Imagine the children said 'deadbeat dad' or 'baby mamma'
8802[2017-12-03 05:03:47] <humbot> burrow in
8803[2017-12-03 05:04:03] <troy_cambridge> so you have a crisis of consciousness at work julmust ?
8804[2017-12-03 05:04:50] <julmust> lol the crisis has been ongoing for years, it never seems to end
8805[2017-12-03 05:05:06] <julmust> it never gets bad enough
8806[2017-12-03 05:05:34] <julmust> even when you think it is really bad
8807[2017-12-03 05:06:18] <julmust> but it's all probably much worse than it is, with having all the eyes on you and stuff
8808[2017-12-03 05:06:51] <julmust> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVlN-LzIks
8809[2017-12-03 05:06:51] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - TRAFFIC Dear Mr.Fantasy :: Duration: 05:30
8810[2017-12-03 05:08:35] <troy_cambridge> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROK1-VvOQ0
8811[2017-12-03 05:08:35] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - The Pretender | Jackson Browne | Lyrics ☾☀ :: Duration: 05:52
8812[2017-12-03 05:09:26] <humbot> LU-CILLE !!!
8813[2017-12-03 05:13:33] <julmust> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EdLasOrG6c
8814[2017-12-03 05:13:33] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Jefferson Airplane - Somebody To Love (Live at Woodstock Music & Art Fair, 1969) :: Duration: 04:22
8815[2017-12-03 05:14:25] <troy_cambridge> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpqlt-UBoEA
8816[2017-12-03 05:14:25] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Janis Joplin - Sunday Morning Coming Down :: Duration: 05:05
8817[2017-12-03 05:14:28] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Sunday Morning Bobblehead Thread <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/sunday-morning-bobblehead-thread>
8818[2017-12-03 05:14:33] <julmust> Janis Joplin++
8819[2017-12-03 05:14:42] <julmust> troy_cambridge: have you ever been to the Burning Man festival?
8820[2017-12-03 05:14:48] <julmust> this music makes one thing of Burning Man
8821[2017-12-03 05:15:02] <troy_cambridge> I have not.  I have penciulled it into mt  bucket list
8822[2017-12-03 05:15:07] <humbot> Help me, baby
8823[2017-12-03 05:15:26] <troy_cambridge> Janis is doing a terrible rendition.
8824[2017-12-03 05:15:30] <troy_cambridge> LOPL
8825[2017-12-03 05:18:36] <troy_cambridge> Just when you thought Janis could do no wrong.
8826[2017-12-03 05:18:54] <julmust> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzeiAJN818
8827[2017-12-03 05:18:55] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Talking Heads - Take Me To The River (1978) HQ :: Duration: 05:12
8828[2017-12-03 05:20:32] <humbot> DROP ME IN THE WATER
8829[2017-12-03 05:22:44] <humbot> https://youtu.be/lhK0k7LoHtQ
8830[2017-12-03 05:22:46] <rabble_bot> ^ YouTube
8831[2017-12-03 05:22:50] <humbot> fack
8832[2017-12-03 05:23:01] <KiwlJazz> Trump is a con man
8833[2017-12-03 05:23:15] <humbot> https://youtu.be/IhK0k7LoHtQ
8834[2017-12-03 05:23:16] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Lazy Lester - I'm A Lover Not A Fighter :: Duration: 02:34
8835[2017-12-03 05:23:33] <KiwlJazz> was listening to an audio book written about Trumps life
8836[2017-12-03 05:23:50] <KiwlJazz> and they talk about all his business deals, his attempt to run a football team, casinos
8837[2017-12-03 05:23:50] <Geronimo> hola
8838[2017-12-03 05:24:17] <KiwlJazz> hes no businessman hes...a mobster trades favors and swindles money out of people
8839[2017-12-03 05:24:28] <KiwlJazz> he'll hes borrowed millions from banks he's never paid back
8840[2017-12-03 05:24:40] <Geronimo> jesus
8841[2017-12-03 05:24:42] <KiwlJazz> shit is completely insane and bizzare
8842[2017-12-03 05:24:53] <julmust> if you don't trade favors between human beings then what is there else to trade
8843[2017-12-03 05:24:54] <KiwlJazz> like how did he get away with this shit for 50 years
8844[2017-12-03 05:24:58] <zapster> bk for profit
8845[2017-12-03 05:25:04] <KiwlJazz> money is good
8846[2017-12-03 05:25:13] <KiwlJazz> but very people around him get money
8847[2017-12-03 05:25:21] <KiwlJazz> more of his arrangements are about people giving him money
8848[2017-12-03 05:25:41] <zapster> if fraud was still criminal, he'd prolly be in prison
8849[2017-12-03 05:25:50] <KiwlJazz> don't know...he got Maralago some how
8850[2017-12-03 05:26:03] <KiwlJazz> but convinced Chase bank not to record the deed on the books or his mortgage
8851[2017-12-03 05:26:25] <KiwlJazz> think hes built and erected buildings on land he doesn't even own
8852[2017-12-03 05:26:29] <zapster> prolly the same way they did so many.. using MERS
8853[2017-12-03 05:27:03] <KiwlJazz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErKXAprGB0M
8854[2017-12-03 05:27:04] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - The Making of Donald Trump :: Duration: 05:46:20
8855[2017-12-03 05:27:13] <zapster> and because he's got so much money the real owners can't challenge it 
8856[2017-12-03 05:27:50] <KiwlJazz> Pretty much...he probably bribed and paid off the New Jersey Gaming Commision
8857[2017-12-03 05:28:00] <KiwlJazz> he should of never been allowed to own or opperate a casino
8858[2017-12-03 05:28:14] <KiwlJazz> he doesn't even understand the rules of how games like craps work
8859[2017-12-03 05:29:41] <KiwlJazz> Guy wrote the book talked about the debates and how Trump fumbled the question about the nuclear triad and Marco Rubio schooled him
8860[2017-12-03 05:29:56] <julmust> You would think he knows the business he puts his money into
8861[2017-12-03 05:30:02] <KiwlJazz> Trump just...repeats things back to people...with out answering them
8862[2017-12-03 05:30:12] <KiwlJazz> people kinda fooled for a minute and move on
8863[2017-12-03 05:30:26] <KiwlJazz> but he goes into depth about how when he got to interview Trump he made up fake questions
8864[2017-12-03 05:30:33] <KiwlJazz> and Trump just bullshitted his way through them
8865[2017-12-03 05:30:40] <humbot> https://youtu.be/-AVL0UXS_YQ
8866[2017-12-03 05:30:41] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Lazy Lester - I'm Your Breadmaker, Baby :: Duration: 03:59
8867[2017-12-03 05:31:19] <julmust> that's funny coming from the journalist that seems to have an unhealthy psychological obsession with Trump, holding at one point 'two lockers full of Trump documents'
8868[2017-12-03 05:31:35] <KiwlJazz> heh...well
8869[2017-12-03 05:31:49] <KiwlJazz> given people like Trump i have to say maybe more people in society
8870[2017-12-03 05:31:58] <julmust> it makes trump look pretty healthy in his handling of the questions
8871[2017-12-03 05:32:04] <KiwlJazz> should have people obsessed with them that have to be monitered
8872[2017-12-03 05:33:28] <KiwlJazz> The world needs more Lois Lanes...cause we have a world of Lex Luthors
8873[2017-12-03 05:34:10] <julmust> you're creating a view on it all that is way off from reality
8874[2017-12-03 05:34:21] <julmust> and it even comes off as attempting to mislead people
8875[2017-12-03 05:35:05] <humbot> FREE JEET
8876[2017-12-03 05:36:06] <julmust> I mean, is this what cultural marxism is about, to just make up things about reality
8877[2017-12-03 05:36:14] <julmust> and hope they stick
8878[2017-12-03 05:38:59] <KiwlJazz> Well i believe what most people say about Donald Trump and his business dealings and associations in the 70s and 80s more than anything most people say about Bill and Hillary Clinton and whacky conspiracy theories about the 80+ people they had killed
8879[2017-12-03 05:41:25] <julmust> pizzagate is reel
8880[2017-12-03 05:41:32] <zapster> https://twitter.com/SenatorDurbin/status/936991954612707328
8881[2017-12-03 05:41:33] <rabble_bot> ^ Senator Dick Durbin on Twitter: "While the country slept, Republicans clapped and cheered their bill to take your hard earned money and give it to their richest donors. Keep… https://t.co/Z2W8EOQcbK"
8882[2017-12-03 05:41:36] <KiwlJazz> He should not be President
8883[2017-12-03 05:41:48] <KiwlJazz> i don't even know what Pizzagate is
8884[2017-12-03 05:42:07] <KiwlJazz> its something i somehow avoided durring the campaign
8885[2017-12-03 05:42:24] <zapster> pizzagate was complete nonsense
8886[2017-12-03 05:42:25] <KiwlJazz> all i know is Conway gave some pressconference with her bizzare alternate facts
8887[2017-12-03 05:42:41] <humbot> https://youtu.be/M0iFTtUYGUY
8888[2017-12-03 05:42:42] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Lazy Lester - You're gonna ruin me baby :: Duration: 02:34
8889[2017-12-03 05:42:43] <zapster> as the guy with the gun found out lol 
8890[2017-12-03 05:43:06] <julmust> zapster: that's arguable, the emails were the smoking gun
8891[2017-12-03 05:43:19] <KiwlJazz> i do remember something about a fake massacare too
8892[2017-12-03 05:43:24] <zapster> the guy trump hired to write his bio says he's a complete fraud as well 
8893[2017-12-03 05:43:26] <humbot> its arguable somewhere else weirdo
8894[2017-12-03 05:43:33] <KiwlJazz> then Kellyanne went away for the most part
8895[2017-12-03 05:43:34] <KiwlJazz> lol
8896[2017-12-03 05:43:35] <humbot> :D
8897[2017-12-03 05:43:47] <zapster> no they weren't, not even close
8898[2017-12-03 05:44:05] <KiwlJazz> I'm sure there are over 3000 plaintiffs from the lawsuits of people trying tos ue him over past 50 years
8899[2017-12-03 05:44:09] <KiwlJazz> that will agree hes a fraud too
8900[2017-12-03 05:44:24] <zapster> hell, he's been ruled that in courts already
8901[2017-12-03 05:44:31] <zapster> paid out millions in settlemens 
8902[2017-12-03 05:44:35] <KiwlJazz> Trump is bizzare
8903[2017-12-03 05:44:44] <KiwlJazz> hes a con man who gets by on charmisma
8904[2017-12-03 05:44:52] <KiwlJazz> or well what people used to percieve as charisma
8905[2017-12-03 05:44:56] <zapster> but the dereg wave has made it much harder to take financial criminals down
8906[2017-12-03 05:44:59] <KiwlJazz> now people just think hes an asshole
8907[2017-12-03 05:45:22] <KiwlJazz> so many people hes done business with
8908[2017-12-03 05:45:25] <KiwlJazz> were taken down
8909[2017-12-03 05:45:43] <KiwlJazz> need a time machine
8910[2017-12-03 05:45:55] <KiwlJazz> travel back to the 1980s and tell Rudy Guiliani he can save his soul
8911[2017-12-03 05:46:04] <KiwlJazz> if he prosecutes Donald Trump
8912[2017-12-03 05:46:09] <zapster> he can't get bank loans anymore. can't even get russian oligarchs to work with him anymore. he's stiffed everybody
8913[2017-12-03 05:46:27] <julmust> things would have been more simple if people did honest business
8914[2017-12-03 05:46:39] <humbot> theres always something amazing you haven't discovered yet
8915[2017-12-03 05:46:44] <zapster> hahahaha.. 
8916[2017-12-03 05:46:58] <KiwlJazz> The state of New York should pursue that Bayrock shit
8917[2017-12-03 05:47:14] <zapster> it'd be simpler if crime wasn't the fastest way to profit, and our system didn't reward profiteers
8918[2017-12-03 05:47:15] <KiwlJazz> 200 million dollar racketeering scam
8919[2017-12-03 05:47:28] <humbot> https://youtu.be/rfV063sXsYo
8920[2017-12-03 05:47:28] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Lazy Lester - The same thing could happen to you :: Duration: 02:15
8921[2017-12-03 05:47:48] <humbot> lazy lester  MWAAH
8922[2017-12-03 05:48:07] <zapster> when you think about it, running an entire economy on the basis of nothing but profit is mind-blowingly stupid. 
8923[2017-12-03 05:48:25] <KiwlJazz> is it?
8924[2017-12-03 05:48:29] <zapster> it's like only ever running your car on gas. don't need all that other stuff, oil, water, et.
8925[2017-12-03 05:48:49] <KiwlJazz> but now we have a system where people don't need to make profit
8926[2017-12-03 05:48:59] <KiwlJazz> they can take on credit they can never repay
8927[2017-12-03 05:49:06] <KiwlJazz> as long as they service the loans
8928[2017-12-03 05:49:07] <zapster> sure. anything needs *all* the moving parts taken care of. where is business without customers? 
8929[2017-12-03 05:49:23] <KiwlJazz> its all about servicing the loans
8930[2017-12-03 05:49:32] <zapster> but that's failed. they can't anymore
8931[2017-12-03 05:49:36] <KiwlJazz> you don't even need inventory
8932[2017-12-03 05:50:02] <zapster> which is why it wasn't a good idea in the first place to remove the real cash and slap interest charges on every dime
8933[2017-12-03 05:50:19] <julmust> humbot: the divide in this world is between people that have a mental connection with Trump, and those that don't
8934[2017-12-03 05:50:22] <KiwlJazz> which I bet some how dovetails into the terrible idea
8935[2017-12-03 05:50:32] <KiwlJazz> when bad business models make no profit
8936[2017-12-03 05:50:35] <zapster> crashing the car every 4-7 years is monumentally stupid
8937[2017-12-03 05:50:39] <KiwlJazz> the thinking is "well make it up on volume"
8938[2017-12-03 05:50:56] <humbot> trump is a tool
8939[2017-12-03 05:51:08] <humbot> people have a mental connection with Mercer
8940[2017-12-03 05:51:15] <mouses> s/tool/moron
8941[2017-12-03 05:51:18] <mouses> fify
8942[2017-12-03 05:51:39] <KiwlJazz> Robert Mercer and Steve Bannon are scarey people...so are David, Charles Koch
8943[2017-12-03 05:51:42] <zapster> LOL. or it's people that see nothing hopeful in anything but trump
8944[2017-12-03 05:51:51] <zapster> because nobody better is presented
8945[2017-12-03 05:52:03] <KiwlJazz> somehow I've never found George Soros interesting
8946[2017-12-03 05:52:37] <julmust> KiwlJazz: you got to admire a guy that gives up a Whitehouse position to take on the struggle
8947[2017-12-03 05:52:39] <zapster> many of the trump voters wanted bernie. remember this
8948[2017-12-03 05:52:40] <KiwlJazz> though it is comical when Glen Beck goes on his rants and theories...one day think he was leading up to George Soros eats babies
8949[2017-12-03 05:53:01] <julmust> that is nobility, if there ever was such a thing as nobility
8950[2017-12-03 05:53:10] <mouses> KiwlJazz: lol Glen Beck was on Penn Jillete's podcast over over the last couple weeks
8951[2017-12-03 05:53:15] <julmust> like a layer overlaid over the modern world with different rules
8952[2017-12-03 05:53:15] <zapster> https://www.c-span.org/video/?436033-1/hollywood-blacklist-70th-commemoration
8953[2017-12-03 05:53:15] <rabble_bot> ^ Hollywood Blacklist 70th Commemoration, Oct 27 2017 | Video | C-SPAN.org
8954[2017-12-03 05:53:22] <mouses> KiwlJazz: it's sad how reasonable he is when not playing his character
8955[2017-12-03 05:53:29] <zapster> educational, as well as amusing
8956[2017-12-03 05:53:39] <KiwlJazz> I kinda....didn't hate Glen Beck
8957[2017-12-03 05:54:01] <mouses> KiwlJazz: He's not a dumb man.
8958[2017-12-03 05:54:06] <KiwlJazz> theres something about him....hes more palatable than Alex Jones...even if his ideas are batshit crazy
8959[2017-12-03 05:54:10] <zapster> beck and hannity are just actors. they play whatever they're paid to play
8960[2017-12-03 05:54:10] <mouses> KiwlJazz: He can hold his side of a conversation.
8961[2017-12-03 05:54:14] <KiwlJazz> hes civil and nice to people he has on his show
8962[2017-12-03 05:54:14] <mouses> zapster: ++++
8963[2017-12-03 05:54:17] <KiwlJazz> even if he disagrees
8964[2017-12-03 05:54:25] <KiwlJazz> thats kinda rare these days
8965[2017-12-03 05:54:31] <mouses> I think the term for it = 'news clown'
8966[2017-12-03 05:54:46] <zapster> accurate, yes
8967[2017-12-03 05:54:53] <humbot> :P
8968[2017-12-03 05:54:55] <zapster> pretty much all mainstream news is now
8969[2017-12-03 05:55:04] <mouses> Thank Heinlein for that phrase, I think
8970[2017-12-03 05:55:37] <zapster> he was astute :)
8971[2017-12-03 05:56:04] <mouses> zapster: ++++
8972[2017-12-03 05:56:50] <KiwlJazz> Only reason i used to ever tune into Fox News was to see Glen Beck and his ridiculous blackboard and crazy theories
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8974[2017-12-03 05:57:05] <KiwlJazz> he said Sarah Palin was part of the evil progressives plot
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8977[2017-12-03 05:58:16] <KiwlJazz> Overton Window is an interesting concept
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8979[2017-12-03 05:59:15] <KiwlJazz> Trump may have broken that...
8980[2017-12-03 05:59:34] <KiwlJazz> post Trump is what will be frightening truly
8981[2017-12-03 06:00:54] <zapster> a wonderful statement starting at 1:48:nn, the dark-haired woman: https://www.c-span.org/video/?436033-1/hollywood-blacklist-70th-commemoration
8982[2017-12-03 06:00:57] <rabble_bot> ^ Hollywood Blacklist 70th Commemoration, Oct 27 2017 | Video | C-SPAN.org
8983[2017-12-03 06:01:59] <zapster> maybe closer to 1:50 ish. this player is clunky
8984[2017-12-03 06:02:30] <humbot> c-span
8985[2017-12-03 06:02:38] <zapster> yeah
8986[2017-12-03 06:02:58] <humbot> yup its clunky for me too
8987[2017-12-03 06:03:08] <zapster> a guy named bobby lee, was a screenwriter. the woman is his granddaughter
8988[2017-12-03 06:06:45] <normalperson> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVIA1n5ng4Y
8989[2017-12-03 06:06:46] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Howlin' Wolf - Back Door Man :: Duration: 06:58
8990[2017-12-03 06:07:17] <normalperson> the backdoor is more of a lifestyle than a privilege
8991[2017-12-03 06:07:31] <mouses> lol
8992[2017-12-03 06:08:25] <zapster> incredible speech. they blacklisted the best and brightest. they blacklisted those that defended the constitution. 
8993[2017-12-03 06:10:58] <zapster> "what is capitalism? was it once progressive? does it need a war economy to survive? are we allowed to discuss it? what is being questioned here is not our loyalty to our country but loyalty to an economic system..." <--paul jarrico (likely not quite accurate, but close) 
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8996[2017-12-03 06:11:49] <humbot> g'day mate
8997[2017-12-03 06:12:47] <zapster> wow, next speaker is 97--one that was blacklisted
8998[2017-12-03 06:14:03] <humbot> this problem with the utter idiocy of things, its multi-generational
8999[2017-12-03 06:14:20] <humbot> at every level people have been selected for conformity
9000[2017-12-03 06:14:48] <zapster> yeah, anyone that isn't is a threat to the power elites
9001[2017-12-03 06:14:52] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Mike's Blog Round Up <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/mikes-blog-round-1>
9002[2017-12-03 06:15:15] <humbot> this residue of 19th century moral force, from basic education to the people you trust
9003[2017-12-03 06:17:20] <humbot> "I would believe only in a God that knows how to dance"
9004[2017-12-03 06:18:15] <zapster> vast swaths of religions reject dance. fun is not allowed 
9005[2017-12-03 06:20:49] <mouses> no laughing no smiling no fun
9006[2017-12-03 06:21:05] <zapster> no dancing gods. they're subversive!
9007[2017-12-03 06:21:12] <mouses> lol zapster +++ :)
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9010[2017-12-03 06:22:58] <zapster> damn, I hope I'm in the shape this one is in at 97.. :)
9011[2017-12-03 06:23:36] <KiwlJazz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-w47wgdhso
9012[2017-12-03 06:23:36] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Donald Trump 1980 Interview :: Duration: 04:07
9013[2017-12-03 06:23:50] <KiwlJazz> hasnt changed much...he was more humble then
9014[2017-12-03 06:23:55] <humbot> https://youtu.be/LWkVcaAGCi0
9015[2017-12-03 06:23:55] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Joan Baez- Bread and roses :: Duration: 02:41
9016[2017-12-03 06:24:06] <zapster> <3 that song
9017[2017-12-03 06:24:11] <KiwlJazz> but he spoke in those same short sentences.
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9020[2017-12-03 06:24:51] <HomieX> Hey Jazz
9021[2017-12-03 06:25:03] <HomieX> Hi Zapp
9022[2017-12-03 06:25:39] <HomieX> It's weird getting stuff from Amazon now, somebody in their car drives up to your house and drops off the package 
9023[2017-12-03 06:25:51] <HomieX> they deliver on Sunday too 
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9025[2017-12-03 06:27:06] <HomieX> Rising German nationalist party elects leaders amid protests...
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9028[2017-12-03 06:28:29] <zapster> hm. can't find this docu: http://freepress.org/article/us-premiere-red-blue-left-coast-forum
9029[2017-12-03 06:28:30] <rabble_bot> ^ U.S. Premiere of RED IN BLUE at Left Coast Forum | Freepress.org
9030[2017-12-03 06:28:46] <HomieX> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/amazon-bosses-give-exhausted-staff-11629106
9031[2017-12-03 06:28:47] <rabble_bot> ^ Amazon bosses try to raise morale by giving exhausted staff two 7p chocolates each after shocking working conditions were exposed - Mirror Online
9032[2017-12-03 06:29:09] <HomieX> LOL
9033[2017-12-03 06:29:37] <zapster> amazon is a real horror story
9034[2017-12-03 06:30:50] <zapster> planet of the apes was anti-revolution propaganda.. lol
9035[2017-12-03 06:31:18] <normalperson> tried to watch that the other day, couldn't get through the movie
9036[2017-12-03 06:31:47] <zapster> I never have been able to either
9037[2017-12-03 06:32:17] <zapster> it was immensely popular tho
9038[2017-12-03 06:32:46] <zapster> after mccarthyism they just switched to pouring tons of money into hollywood for the kinds of films they wanted
9039[2017-12-03 06:32:52] <zapster> pentagon mostly
9040[2017-12-03 06:33:22] <zapster> I think that's why so many are centered on violence and the lone superhero type
9041[2017-12-03 06:33:38] <zapster> program everyone to think they can do it alone with violence 
9042[2017-12-03 06:34:00] <normalperson> the mccarthyans weren't the ones trying to change the culture
9043[2017-12-03 06:34:18] <zapster> they were by far the most ham-handed tho
9044[2017-12-03 06:34:31] <normalperson> that's a weak case for mccarthyism
9045[2017-12-03 06:35:00] <zapster> it's not for mccarthyism at all 
9046[2017-12-03 06:35:33] <zapster> they were extremely successful tho. they killed off the communist party in america, and convinced everyone to go silent on it. no discussion anymore. 
9047[2017-12-03 06:36:16] — nomic thought the first planet of the apes was a great movie
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9049[2017-12-03 06:36:19] <normalperson> tolerating intolerance can't lead to a good place
9050[2017-12-03 06:36:30] <zapster> and it still holds. any hint that our "enemies' might not actually be as evil as portrayed gets the kind of backlash I've been getting in this channel. why aren't we even allowed to look and find out? 
9051[2017-12-03 06:37:14] <zapster> as the guys that made that documentary observe, the message in planet of the apes was not intolerance, it was that "revolutions fail" 
9052[2017-12-03 06:37:15] — normalperson can vouche for most truthseekers
9053[2017-12-03 06:37:21] <rabble_bot> News from amcon: McMaster’s Irresponsible North Korea Rhetoric <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/mcmasters-irresponsible-north-korea-rhetoric/>
9054[2017-12-03 06:37:41] <normalperson> look where that got me, homeless
9055[2017-12-03 06:37:53] — HomieX will not be silent! 
9056[2017-12-03 06:38:14] — HomieX wants the dictatership of the proletariat! 
9057[2017-12-03 06:39:23] <Geronimo> easy
9058[2017-12-03 06:39:29] <normalperson> took this the other day of the little christmas there is in this little town https://i.imgur.com/nb0ZtG2.jpg
9059[2017-12-03 06:39:40] <Elegrant> HomieX, same
9060[2017-12-03 06:39:45] <Elegrant> let's make it happen Bromie
9061[2017-12-03 06:39:56] <Elegrant> right here, BANG, organisation
9062[2017-12-03 06:39:59] <Geronimo> normalperson nice
9063[2017-12-03 06:40:04] <normalperson> Geronimo: thnx
9064[2017-12-03 06:40:09] <normalperson> Geronimo: how's christmas over there
9065[2017-12-03 06:40:34] <Elegrant> sometimes its more a matter of convincing ourselves that we are already organised
9066[2017-12-03 06:40:40] <Elegrant> and already will underway in revolution
9067[2017-12-03 06:40:41] <Geronimo> doesn't exist yet
9068[2017-12-03 06:46:27] <HomieX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAVXp1oGjHA
9069[2017-12-03 06:46:28] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Head Office :: Duration: 01:30:53
9070[2017-12-03 06:46:30] <HomieX> Full movie 
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9073[2017-12-03 06:52:33] <normalperson> saw this the other day https://i.imgur.com/ArKf0nT.jpg
9074[2017-12-03 06:52:35] <normalperson> 'everybody's free to feel good' (^^,)
9075[2017-12-03 06:53:21] <Elegrant> except some people
9076[2017-12-03 06:53:30] <normalperson> the first message, "who did you get your view from" - the people in politics usually want to know, did you.... get it FROM THE RUSSIANS? xD
9077[2017-12-03 06:54:26] <normalperson> the last message, bite the hands that feeds -you-
9078[2017-12-03 06:54:29] <normalperson> Elegrant: I know right
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9081[2017-12-03 07:15:26] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: SNL: Ghosts Of Christmas Past, Present, And Future Visit Trump <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/snl-ghosts-christmas-past-present-and>
9082[2017-12-03 07:15:27] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Charlie Sykes Interviewed The Lords Of Cannibal Island Hundreds Of Times... <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/charlie-sykes-interviewed-lords-cannibal>
9083[2017-12-03 07:19:03] <normalperson> the other year, the synchronicity got so intense one could wish they smoked weed and go out and just find it outside as a result
9084[2017-12-03 07:19:22] <normalperson> has anyone evaluated that specific state
9085[2017-12-03 07:21:08] <normalperson> the winter months make it harder to get into the zone, the daylight is narrow
9086[2017-12-03 07:21:46] <normalperson> the first thing I saw when I got homeless in this town was a large mural with the writing "it will get better soon pal"
9087[2017-12-03 07:22:01] <normalperson> this is 6 months ago, and things have not gotten better, it seems that one is losing it
9088[2017-12-03 07:23:59] <normalperson> what if the entire deep state and power structures actually know about the magic of the world
9089[2017-12-03 07:24:27] <normalperson> so their purpose is to direct one away from it to become a drone
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9091[2017-12-03 07:33:54] <zapster> "there is no such thing as almost-freedom. If you modify freedom of expression ... according to the popularity of the words expressed ... you have destroyed those freedoms." Alfred Levitt 
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9093[2017-12-03 07:40:10] — HomieX is listening to Steely Dan 
9094[2017-12-03 07:40:59] <HomieX> bbl
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9103[2017-12-03 07:53:30] <rabble_bot> News from nakedcap: Will Ketchup Again Count as a Vegetable? USDA Delays School Lunch Rules <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/will-ketchup-count-vegetable-usda-delays-school-lunch-rules.html>
9104[2017-12-03 07:56:34] <FrancisNgannou> ketchup is derived from a fruit
9105[2017-12-03 08:00:57] <zapster> I did not know that Reagan was an FBI agent when he became the head of the screen actors' guild. and then they made him prez....
9106[2017-12-03 08:01:39] <zapster> since reagan, we've had prez after prez undermining civil rights and depriving us of means to exercise any political power. 
9107[2017-12-03 08:01:57] <zapster> how many more..? 
9108[2017-12-03 08:02:08] <FrancisNgannou> He was an informant
9109[2017-12-03 08:02:26] <zapster> and was richly rewarded for it 
9110[2017-12-03 08:02:48] <zapster> https://www.c-span.org/video/?436033-1/hollywood-blacklist-70th-commemoration
9111[2017-12-03 08:02:51] <rabble_bot> ^ Hollywood Blacklist 70th Commemoration, Oct 27 2017 | Video | C-SPAN.org
9112[2017-12-03 08:03:14] <zapster> rather gives new meaning to 'deep state'. :\
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9114[2017-12-03 08:04:04] <zapster> it it russians or the FBI? 
9115[2017-12-03 08:04:06] <zapster> lol
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9120[2017-12-03 08:09:39] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: Author of GOP Tax Plan Says Children’s Health Insurance Program is Held Up “Because We Don’t Have Money Anymore” <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/03/chip-childrens-health-insurance-program-tax-cuts/>
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9123[2017-12-03 08:15:20] <zapster> this history makes the current mccarthyism much easier to see. Kaepernick's blacklisting will spread if we don't start fighting for free expression and protect all ideas, even the ones we disagree with 
9124[2017-12-03 08:15:33] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Trump Attacks Comey, Mueller Investigation In Yet Another Early Morning Twitter Rampage <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/trump-attacks-comey-mueller-investigation>
9125[2017-12-03 08:16:51] <zapster> for 15 years, the mainstream view was that the first amendment must be crushed. 
9126[2017-12-03 08:17:23] <zapster> and those that defended it were kooks and subversives and were jailed and blacklisted
9127[2017-12-03 08:18:09] <zapster> apparently we haven't learned from it 
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9130[2017-12-03 08:19:14] <zapster> and what we eventually learned is that communism was never a threat anyway. we destroyed thousands of americans and intsilled fear and repression for a threat that never existed. 
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9132[2017-12-03 08:21:16] <zapster> http://juanitajean.com/an-open-letter-to-mark-warner/
9133[2017-12-03 08:21:16] <rabble_bot> ^ Juanita Jean's | An Open Letter to Mark Warner
9134[2017-12-03 08:22:07] <zapster> Some people were shocked that Virginia Senator Mark Warner was one of the two Democratic votes against the amendment for a middle class tax cut on the tax bill.
9135[2017-12-03 08:22:07] <zapster> They shouldn’t have been.
9136[2017-12-03 08:22:24] <zapster> Since the start of the session, you have been tirelessly working towards completing your pet project, S. 1642:
9137[2017-12-03 08:22:36] <zapster> Considering that you’re a Democrat, one might quickly read that title and think that you’re working on a bill to protect consumers in the lending market.
9138[2017-12-03 08:22:36] <zapster> But you and I know they would be so incredibly wrong.
9139[2017-12-03 08:22:36] <zapster> You wrote this bill to create a method for payday lenders to evade state interest rate caps.
9140[2017-12-03 08:23:07] <zapster> screw-the-poor republidems :\
9141[2017-12-03 08:24:04] <zapster> You’ve publicly defended the bill by arguing that state interest rate caps have reduced access to credit by low income borrowers. <-- instead of arguing that the incomes of the poor should be increased so they don't have to borrow...
9142[2017-12-03 08:26:06] <zapster> And oddly enough, you supported state interest caps on payday lenders back in 2008 when you were governor of Virginia... <-- much older and richer now.:\
9143[2017-12-03 08:28:58] <zapster> http://juanitajean.com/ducky-boy/
9144[2017-12-03 08:28:59] <rabble_bot> ^ Juanita Jean's | Ducky Boy!
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9146[2017-12-03 08:32:04] <Reader> well.. 
9147[2017-12-03 08:32:25] <Reader> https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2017/12/03/matt-lauer-charlie-rose-new-york-television-industry/908345001/
9148[2017-12-03 08:32:26] <rabble_bot> ^ Matt Lauer scandal: Is New York City a hotbed for sexual harassment?
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9150[2017-12-03 08:33:05] <Reader> I think best way not to rape someone is: jerk off before you meet anyone
9151[2017-12-03 08:37:42] <rabble_bot> News from amcon: Sunday Morning On Capitol Hill <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/sunday-morning-on-capitol-hill-nora/>
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9153[2017-12-03 08:43:12] * ChanServ set +v KattyDolphin
9154[2017-12-03 08:47:24] <Reader> hey KattyDolphin 
9155[2017-12-03 08:47:28] <Reader> where do you live and why?
9156[2017-12-03 08:47:49] <zapster> http://juanitajean.com/in-a-word-no/
9157[2017-12-03 08:47:49] <rabble_bot> ^ Juanita Jean's | In a Word, NO! UPDATED!
9158[2017-12-03 08:47:50] <zapster> heh
9159[2017-12-03 08:48:04] <zapster> If I wanted to live in texas, I'd move to texas.. lol
9160[2017-12-03 08:48:28] <Reader> why?
9161[2017-12-03 08:48:37] <Reader> because its the worst place of the world along with Glasgow?
9162[2017-12-03 08:48:49] <zapster> click the link and find out
9163[2017-12-03 08:49:30] <Reader> yeah, proved my point
9164[2017-12-03 08:50:45] <zapster> lol, the comments: "No offense, ma’am, but every time a chemical plant explodes next to a nursing home in Texas, I’m grateful for New Jersey’s zoning laws."
9165[2017-12-03 08:52:33] <queuepick> @Reader what language do you speak and why?
9166[2017-12-03 08:52:38] <KattyDolphin> what are you reading and why? 
9167[2017-12-03 08:52:41] * queuepick → jivatmas
9168[2017-12-03 08:53:19] <JamGobbar> http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/03/asia/north-korean-us-tensions-wargames-intl/index.html <<=-- oh goody
9169[2017-12-03 08:53:20] <rabble_bot> ^ US stealth jets arrive in South Korea as rhetoric heats up - CNN
9170[2017-12-03 08:53:25] * KattyDolphin → vritra
9171[2017-12-03 08:53:29] <jivatmas> ?im from earth, and because humans gave birth to me on earth"
9172[2017-12-03 08:55:59] <jivatmas> @vritra is rape legal?
9173[2017-12-03 08:56:22] <jivatmas> @vritra and but is it ethical?
9174[2017-12-03 08:56:38] <vritra> Reader: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSry5-qfVFs
9175[2017-12-03 08:56:38] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Jonas Brothers - Year 3000 :: Duration: 03:24
9176[2017-12-03 08:56:55] <jivatmas> mr jonas is u r dads?
9177[2017-12-03 08:57:12] <humbot> waht kind of new bot is this
9178[2017-12-03 08:58:09] <Reader> vritra, who's your dad, and why?
9179[2017-12-03 08:58:19] <jivatmas> @vritra who do you spiritually and ethically persecute and why?????
9180[2017-12-03 08:58:56] <Reader> jivatmas, are you unethical? and why?
9181[2017-12-03 08:59:12] <jivatmas> @Reader i am the god and because i am the god.
9182[2017-12-03 08:59:23] <Reader> nah you are just a little sinner
9183[2017-12-03 08:59:25] <Reader> who is going to hell
9184[2017-12-03 08:59:45] <vritra> which hell?
9185[2017-12-03 08:59:53] <Reader> buddhist hell
9186[2017-12-03 09:00:02] <jivatmas> @Reader  for art thou who hath created hell already betwixt thy hell?
9187[2017-12-03 09:00:24] <Reader> jivatmas, http://damienmarieathope.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/10505230_667768250033359_5486219113171504957_o.jpg
9188[2017-12-03 09:00:32] <Reader> that's the picture of the buddhist hell I am talking about
9189[2017-12-03 09:00:47] <jivatmas> cute little jin folk of thine.
9190[2017-12-03 09:01:07] <Reader> this picture is an old picture is from a monastery in Tibet.
9191[2017-12-03 09:01:22] <vritra> http://www.fullstopindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Ganesha-Lord-of-Success-Hindu-God.jpg
9192[2017-12-03 09:01:27] <Reader> just telling, so that you won't think that some nerd like kattydolphin drawn it last night
9193[2017-12-03 09:01:52] <jivatmas> @vritra mmmm such sin such desire such lust of thine body
9194[2017-12-03 09:02:01] <zapster> http://juanitajean.com/hey-republicans-heads-up-dont-trust-republicans/
9195[2017-12-03 09:02:02] <rabble_bot> ^ Juanita Jean's | Hey Republicans: Heads Up! Don’t Trust Republicans.
9196[2017-12-03 09:02:04] <zapster> LOL
9197[2017-12-03 09:02:41] <jivatmas> "buddhist jin hell mongrels"
9198[2017-12-03 09:02:45] <Reader> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWy951VYnBI
9199[2017-12-03 09:02:46] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Hell theme park in Thailand - Wang Saen Suk :: Duration: 13:52
9200[2017-12-03 09:02:55] <Reader> this theme park gives idea of that buddhist hell
9201[2017-12-03 09:02:58] <Reader> where jivatmas is booked
9202[2017-12-03 09:03:06] <jivatmas> *booked* baby
9203[2017-12-03 09:03:09] <Reader> yeah
9204[2017-12-03 09:03:15] <jivatmas> yeah sister
9205[2017-12-03 09:03:16] <vritra> jivatmas was born in helheim 
9206[2017-12-03 09:03:48] <Reader> you think you got 1 year sentence in "human" court for your anti-trump violence and now you are no more sinful? well.. you are yet to be judged in God's court
9207[2017-12-03 09:04:07] <jivatmas> for art thy god?
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9210[2017-12-03 09:04:53] <jivatmas> *!~Gods COURT Is Now In Session's~!*
9211[2017-12-03 09:05:13] * pepee → tallpepee
9212[2017-12-03 09:05:29] <jivatmas> ^big pepees in court today...
9213[2017-12-03 09:05:46] <jivatmas> lest we conjour up some them there injun jin folk too, now!
9214[2017-12-03 09:05:53] * tallpepee → pepee
9215[2017-12-03 09:06:24] <vritra> that's it! we're moving to Asgard
9216[2017-12-03 09:06:46] <jivatmas> brageth out thy devils, thy murdererin rapers, thy dog fuckers of whores of sadams mother!
9217[2017-12-03 09:08:01] * vritra → Asgard
9218[2017-12-03 09:08:06] <jivatmas> zdrast to you, my son, my @Reader.
9219[2017-12-03 09:08:32] <JamGobbar> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/russia-mcfarland-flynn-trump-emails.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
9220[2017-12-03 09:08:36] <rabble_bot> ^ Emails Dispute White House Claims That Flynn Acted Independently on Russia - The New York Times
9221[2017-12-03 09:08:42] <jivatmas> @Asgard your fire doth burn brighter than thy holiest of jin fire pits.
9222[2017-12-03 09:08:56] <Reader> https://www.sott.net/article/369979-Neo-Nazi-flag-spotted-in-Italian-police-barrack-calls-for-quick-investigation-into-a-shameful-act
9223[2017-12-03 09:08:58] <rabble_bot> ^ Neo-Nazi flag spotted in Italian police barrack calls for quick investigation into "a shameful act." -- Society's Child -- Sott.net
9224[2017-12-03 09:09:31] <JamGobbar> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/us/politics/trump-putin-russia-nra-campaign.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
9225[2017-12-03 09:09:36] <rabble_bot> ^ Operative Offered Trump Campaign ‘Kremlin Connection’ Using N.R.A. Ties - The New York Times
9226[2017-12-03 09:10:59] * jivatmas → Bodhisatta
9227[2017-12-03 09:12:13] * Asgard → ValkyrieVal
9228[2017-12-03 09:13:55] * Bodhisatta → Avalokitesvara
9229[2017-12-03 09:14:06] * Avalokitesvara → Avalokitesvar
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9233[2017-12-03 09:15:46] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: H.R. McMaster Claims Trump Shared Fake Anti-Muslim Video To 'Break The Cycle Of Ignorance And Hatred' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/hr-mcmaster-claims-trump-shared-fake-anti>
9234[2017-12-03 09:15:47] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Mitch McConnell Backtracks On Roy Moore Condemnation: 'Let The People Of Alabama Decide' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/mitch-mcconnell-backtracks-roy-moore>
9235[2017-12-03 09:15:48] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Fox's Huckabee Attacks Mueller: There Needs To Be An Investigation Of The Investigation' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/foxs-huckabee-attacks-mueller-there-needs>
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9237[2017-12-03 09:17:15] <zapster> much as I hate to agree with huckabee, on this one I must concur. :\
9238[2017-12-03 09:17:26] <Avalokitesvar> @KwanYin no compassion shall be shown unto thee.
9239[2017-12-03 09:18:23] <zapster> hahahaa.. NRA. I remember noting that the so-called russian facebook ads looked suspiciously like NRA ads...
9240[2017-12-03 09:18:38] <zapster> some of 'em
9241[2017-12-03 09:18:39] <JamGobbar> rofl, yes posting racist videos is certainly going to help break the cycle of hatred
9242[2017-12-03 09:18:44] — JamGobbar *rolls eyes*
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9244[2017-12-03 09:19:21] <zapster> sanity in this admin is in very short supply
9245[2017-12-03 09:19:31] <truffles> *world
9246[2017-12-03 09:19:49] <zapster>     Staffers for Senate Republicans’ campaign arm seized information on more than 200,000 donors from the House GOP campaign committee over several months this year by breaking into its computer system, three sources with knowledge of the breach told POLITICO. <--orly
9247[2017-12-03 09:20:10] * Avalokitesvar → Lokesvarak
9248[2017-12-03 09:20:13] <zapster>     Multiple NRSC (Senate) staffers, who previously worked for the NRCC (House), used old database login information to gain access to House Republicans’ donor lists this year.
9249[2017-12-03 09:20:16] <zapster> *snrk*
9250[2017-12-03 09:23:53] * KwanYin → Mayadevi
9251[2017-12-03 09:25:25] <Lokesvarak> @Mayadevi something, i have for you, you shall feel this thing.
9252[2017-12-03 09:25:58] <zapster> "You know how Trump supporters always say their guy's apparent capitulations to the establishment are actually him playing 3-D chess? Here's a 2010 clip of Uygur & Greenwald talking about how Obama supporters were saying the exact same thing back then."
9253[2017-12-03 09:27:18] <Mayadevi> Reader: do you like matcha 
9254[2017-12-03 09:27:47] <Reader> green tea?
9255[2017-12-03 09:28:15] <zapster> https://twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/937280880388792321
9256[2017-12-03 09:28:16] <rabble_bot> ^ Joe Scarborough on Twitter: ".@SenOrrinHatch talking about children's health care: “I have a rough time wanting to spend billions and billions and trillions of dollars t… https://t.co/kkDTt1Yccd"
9257[2017-12-03 09:28:21] <Lokesvarak> @Reader Yes do you like it?
9258[2017-12-03 09:28:26] <zapster> all those lazy, no-good children...
9259[2017-12-03 09:28:43] <Reader> yes I do
9260[2017-12-03 09:28:45] <Mayadevi> why?
9261[2017-12-03 09:29:43] <mouses> stupid kids needing food and medical care
9262[2017-12-03 09:29:50] <mouses> they should just eat MAGA!  SAD!  BAD!
9263[2017-12-03 09:31:46] * Mayadevi → Yggdrasill
9264[2017-12-03 09:32:47] <Lokesvarak> @Yggdrasill those are some mighty branches you show.
9265[2017-12-03 09:33:46] <Yggdrasill> yes, I am a tree
9266[2017-12-03 09:33:58] <Yggdrasill> I am *the* tree
9267[2017-12-03 09:34:11] <zapster> http://rooseveltinstitute.org/expanding-monetary-policy-toolkit/
9268[2017-12-03 09:34:11] — truffles chops the tree
9269[2017-12-03 09:34:11] <rabble_bot> ^ A New Direction for the Federal Reserve: Expanding the Monetary Policy Toolkit - Roosevelt Institute
9270[2017-12-03 09:34:42] <Yggdrasill> darn squirrels 
9271[2017-12-03 09:53:42] <zapster> wow, these are good ideas: 
9272[2017-12-03 09:53:43] <zapster>  In the new report, the authors argue that it is essential for the Fed to further expand its scope and develop an even broader monetary policy toolkit than was employed during the Great Recession. They suggest six approaches they believe the Federal Reserve—and Congress—should adopt:
9273[2017-12-03 09:53:44] <zapster>     Setting long-term interest rates
9274[2017-12-03 09:53:44] <zapster>     Increasing support for public borrowing
9275[2017-12-03 09:53:44] <zapster>     Purchasing state and local debt
9276[2017-12-03 09:53:44] <zapster>     Coordinating Treasury and Federal Reserve policy
9277[2017-12-03 09:53:46] <zapster>     Purchasing a greater range of private debt
9278[2017-12-03 09:53:48] <zapster>     Shifting from a monetary policy to a credit policy framework
9279[2017-12-03 09:53:59] <zapster> relieving the private sector of debt really should be a top priority
9280[2017-12-03 09:54:09] <zapster> and managing it so it doesn't overpower us ever again
9281[2017-12-03 09:54:41] <zapster> just playing with interest rates has been profoundly useless 
9282[2017-12-03 09:56:33] <zapster> We should adopt a more expansive view of the central bank’s role in providing appropriate credit conditions. This is less of a challenge, however, as we are also remembering old tools. It was universally understood in the past that it was necessary for the Fed to intervene across the entire distribution of interest rates—setting multiple rates (both long- and short-term rates, for instance) and playing a more active role
9283[2017-12-03 09:56:33] <zapster>  in managing credit creation in order to maintain full employment. <-- it has been remarkably cowardly this time around
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9285[2017-12-03 10:01:32] <zapster> senate gop yesterday morning: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQFxot5VAAAJx4K.jpg:large
9286[2017-12-03 10:02:28] <zapster> https://twitter.com/DeanBaker13/status/937307493734277124
9287[2017-12-03 10:02:29] <rabble_bot> ^ Dean Baker on Twitter: "How can anyone claim to be serious in whining about the burden government debt places on our kids and not say a word about the much larger b… https://t.co/eLpAQKGk3B"
9288[2017-12-03 10:02:53] <zapster> the burdens are real and right now, not in the future. 
9289[2017-12-03 10:08:22] <zapster> https://twitter.com/StephanieKelton/status/936695908858843138
9290[2017-12-03 10:08:23] <rabble_bot> ^ Stephanie Kelton on Twitter: "@Noahpinion @MikeFellman ALL deficits are a net contribution to the rest of the economy in $ terms. Not all deficits make a desirable contribution to the rest of t… https://t.co/Yfr9XxaNQi"
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9292[2017-12-03 10:08:39] <zapster> ALL deficits are a net contribution to the rest of the economy in $ terms. Not all deficits make a desirable contribution to the rest of the economy. This bill is trash and there are zero dissidents among scholarly MMT economists.
9293[2017-12-03 10:09:25] <Nelluk> and regular economists as well..
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9296[2017-12-03 10:12:28] <Yggdrasill> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36468022
9297[2017-12-03 10:12:29] <rabble_bot> ^ The grimy business of buying and selling US debts - BBC News
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9300[2017-12-03 10:18:16] <coffeeguy> omg Yggdrasill that made my brain Essplode
9301[2017-12-03 10:18:28] <coffeeguy> lulzie
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9304[2017-12-03 10:26:16] <zapster> ooh, chart porn! https://snbchf.com/economic-theory/richardkoo/sector-balances/
9305[2017-12-03 10:26:17] <rabble_bot> ^ 7d) Richard Koo's and other Sector Balances snbchf.com
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9307[2017-12-03 10:29:23] <zapster> this one is especially clear: https://snbchf.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/and-the-same-is-occurring-in-ireland.jpg
9308[2017-12-03 10:29:35] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: Roundtable: Powerful Men in Media and Politics Finally Face Reckoning for Sexual Harassment and Assault <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/03/roundtable-powerful-men-media-politics-sexual-harassment/>
9309[2017-12-03 10:30:01] <zapster> the irish government ran a surplus for a long time, and irish households were driven deep into deficit the whole time
9310[2017-12-03 10:30:16] <zapster> as soon as the government went into deficit, households bounced up into surplus
9311[2017-12-03 10:39:51] <zapster> https://twitter.com/StephanieKelton/status/933341128493027330
9312[2017-12-03 10:39:52] <rabble_bot> ^ Stephanie Kelton on Twitter: "For every government deficit, there is an equal and opposite surplus. You don’t want to eliminate the budget deficit. You want a more eq… https://t.co/toblvqm4IK"
9313[2017-12-03 10:43:56] <zapster> http://www.aaihs.org/the-impact-of-student-loans-on-black-wealth/
9314[2017-12-03 10:43:58] <rabble_bot> ^ The Impact of Student Loans on Black Wealth – AAIHS
9315[2017-12-03 10:48:16] <zapster> ~list
9316[2017-12-03 10:48:16] <rabble_bot> zapster: ChannelStats, Factoids, Filter, Games, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, Math, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, News, Nickometer, Note, Plugin, Praise, Quote, QuoteGrabs, RSS, Reply, Seen, Series, SpiffyTitles, Status, Success, Time, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
9317[2017-12-03 10:49:06] <zapster> ~list user
9318[2017-12-03 10:49:06] <rabble_bot> zapster: capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, register, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
9319[2017-12-03 10:49:20] <zapster> ~list later
9320[2017-12-03 10:49:20] <rabble_bot> zapster: notes, remove, tell, and undo
9321[2017-12-03 10:49:30] <zapster> ~help notes
9322[2017-12-03 10:49:30] <rabble_bot> zapster: (notes [<nick>]) -- If <nick> is given, replies with what notes are waiting on <nick>, otherwise, replies with the nicks that have notes waiting for them. 
9323[2017-12-03 10:50:40] <zapster> ~help tell
9324[2017-12-03 10:50:40] <rabble_bot> zapster: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here. 
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9328[2017-12-03 11:08:39] <JamGobbar> https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/12/russian-sites-call-hiv-a-myth-western-conspiracy-an-epidemic-is-now-exploding/
9329[2017-12-03 11:08:40] <rabble_bot> ^ Russian sites call HIV a myth, Western conspiracy—an epidemic is now exploding | Ars Technica
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9331[2017-12-03 11:11:16] <zapster> exploding heads in the GOP: http://juanitajean.com/the-nra-and-the-russians-oh-yeah-they-did/
9332[2017-12-03 11:11:17] <rabble_bot> ^ Juanita Jean's | The NRA and The Russians. Oh Yeah, They Did.
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9336[2017-12-03 11:15:10] <zapster> The confidential report, which is not to be found in the legal case, points to the connection between the Russian state and the Russian mafia.  <-- an arrangement that would not have existed without the guidance of Bill Clinton and Harvard
9337[2017-12-03 11:15:33] <zapster> and was created under Yeltsin's drunken admin 
9338[2017-12-03 11:15:46] <zapster> this whole thing is hilarious because *we created it* 
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9341[2017-12-03 11:16:10] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Email Shows NRA Link To Plan For 'Back-Channel Meeting Between Trump And Putin' During Campaign <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/email-shows-nra-link-plan-back-channel>
9342[2017-12-03 11:16:11] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Orrin Hatch Bemoans 'Freeloaders' Threatening The CHIP Program <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/orrin-hatch-bemoans-freeloaders>
9343[2017-12-03 11:16:12] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: 'That’s Obstruction Of Justice': Feinstein Says Senate Committee Building Obstruction Case Against Trump <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/s-obstruction-justice-feinstein-says>
9344[2017-12-03 11:16:42] <zapster> however the ongoing assumption that they're all friends of Putin's is likely inaccurate, since he has threatened them all 
9345[2017-12-03 11:17:46] <zapster> NRA as puppets of Russia. I love it. 
9346[2017-12-03 11:17:48] <zapster> The point of entry for Torshin to the upper echelons of US politics was the National Rifle Association (NRA), which is perhaps the most powerful lobby in the United States. The NRA invested more than $21 million in Trump’s election campaign, more than any other organization. According to the group’s official magazine, the NRA proclaimed itself to be “the key” to the Trump victory.
9347[2017-12-03 11:18:11] <humbot> Police investigating a bomb found at a Christmas market in Germany on Fridaay say it was not terrorism but an attempt to blackmail the shipping company DHL.
9348[2017-12-03 11:18:24] <zapster> since they are lobbiests for the gun manufacturers, are they also puppets of russia? 
9349[2017-12-03 11:19:05] <zapster> hm, what did they want?
9350[2017-12-03 11:19:19] <humbot> money i guess
9351[2017-12-03 11:19:27] <zapster> ah
9352[2017-12-03 11:20:12] <zapster> Torshin has managed to become a “life member” of the NRA. He is also linked to the Russian group The Right to Bear Arms, which was created in 2012 and copies the objectives of the NRA. It is presided over by Maria Butina, a young admirer of Putin who has had a meteoric career by Torshin’s side, and who now resides in Washington. 
9353[2017-12-03 11:20:22] <zapster> looks like the influence is in the other direction tho
9354[2017-12-03 11:21:36] <zapster> be funny if this hysteria spreads to the tea party and the kochs :)
9355[2017-12-03 11:21:44] <humbot> multiple protests disrupt AfD's first entry to the German parliament
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9361[2017-12-03 11:30:25] <rabble_bot> News from intrcept: The President of Honduras Is Deploying U.S.-Trained Forces Against Election Protesters <https://theintercept.com/2017/12/03/the-president-of-honduras-is-deploying-u-s-trained-forces-against-election-protesters/>
9362[2017-12-03 11:38:55] <kish``> mytho??
9363[2017-12-03 11:39:31] <truffles> it's me, not mytho
9364[2017-12-03 11:41:15] <Nelluk> is that you mytho???
9365[2017-12-03 11:41:18] <kish``> will i be killed soon?
9366[2017-12-03 11:41:27] <Nelluk> you are under my protection
9367[2017-12-03 11:41:45] <truffles> what have u done to be worthy of death
9368[2017-12-03 11:41:58] <kish``> refused to buy from a drug dealer
9369[2017-12-03 11:42:07] <kish``> he wanted to blow me i refused to go along with it
9370[2017-12-03 11:42:11] <kish``> he started beating
9371[2017-12-03 11:42:12] <kish``> me
9372[2017-12-03 11:42:15] <kish``> and said he woudl shoot me
9373[2017-12-03 11:42:28] <truffles> gay druglords, everyone is infected
9374[2017-12-03 11:42:32] <mouses> you should have been sucken you get free drugs
9375[2017-12-03 11:42:43] <mouses> i mean hi everyone
9376[2017-12-03 11:42:50] <mouses> sorry those letters are so close to eachother on this keyvboard
9377[2017-12-03 11:43:04] <Nelluk> kish how is the GF
9378[2017-12-03 11:43:29] <truffles> or the one that ran away
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9381[2017-12-03 11:47:27] <kish``> cant beat these guys uo because their whole family lived her
9382[2017-12-03 11:47:36] <kish``> with 50of their cousins as neighbos
9383[2017-12-03 11:47:52] <kish``> i cant have thsi kind of heat on me
9384[2017-12-03 11:48:02] <truffles> translate first sentence
9385[2017-12-03 11:48:04] <kish``> i need a gun to protect myself or i am a dead man
9386[2017-12-03 11:48:26] <kish``> their elatives and their gangs will jump me the first chance tey get truffles 
9387[2017-12-03 11:48:36] <kish``> my gf said 'you will get your wish, you will get shot to death'
9388[2017-12-03 11:48:38] <kish``> fucking whore
9389[2017-12-03 11:48:42] <truffles> oh gang culture so cowardly
9390[2017-12-03 11:49:02] <kish``> here i am alone and cannot decide who to buy from bcause this cunt slut wants a different type of mdma
9391[2017-12-03 11:49:12] <kish``> she should just have left me yesterday like she intended
9392[2017-12-03 11:49:18] <kish``> and i could have moved back to my parents
9393[2017-12-03 11:49:31] <truffles> apt isnt working out?
9394[2017-12-03 11:49:45] <kish``> trouble with neghbors :P
9395[2017-12-03 11:49:53] <truffles> aww
9396[2017-12-03 11:50:08] <mouses> wait 'different type of mdma'
9397[2017-12-03 11:50:22] <mouses> that's like saying 'different type of carbon dioxide'
9398[2017-12-03 11:50:27] <mouses> there is mdma and there is not mdma
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9401[2017-12-03 11:50:39] <truffles> i was going to say
9402[2017-12-03 11:50:45] <moriarty> https://www.rt.com/business/411810-twins-become-bitcoin-billionaires/
9403[2017-12-03 11:50:47] <rabble_bot> ^ Zuckerberg’s twin rivals become 1st Bitcoin billionaires — RT Business News
9404[2017-12-03 11:50:49] <truffles> u would get me some too :D
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9409[2017-12-03 11:52:57] <truffles> morty reduced to spamming hmm
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9412[2017-12-03 11:55:54] <julmust> 'God will switch sides if the other side can be cool/funny'
9413[2017-12-03 11:56:27] <truffles> satan seems to like his side
9414[2017-12-03 11:57:25] — julmust is channeling God
9415[2017-12-03 11:57:55] <truffles> u cant even pretend..
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9417[2017-12-03 11:58:53] — julmust is slow like that
9418[2017-12-03 12:00:13] <julmust> someone asked whether one believs in God and I had a hard think
9419[2017-12-03 12:00:20] <julmust> yeah, I believe so
9420[2017-12-03 12:00:28] <julmust> truffles: do you believe in God?
9421[2017-12-03 12:00:36] <truffles> yep, agnostic
9422[2017-12-03 12:00:58] <julmust> does that count?
9423[2017-12-03 12:01:40] <truffles> as?
9424[2017-12-03 12:01:52] <Nelluk> that isnt what agnostic means as i understand the word
9425[2017-12-03 12:02:15] <truffles> higher power aka God
9426[2017-12-03 12:02:40] <Nelluk> agnostic means you think nothing can be known about the existence (or non-existence) of God
9427[2017-12-03 12:03:32] <truffles> well im inbetween that and belief in God
9428[2017-12-03 12:03:52] <Nelluk> if you believe there is some form of God but arent sure what form it takes... im not sure what to label that as
9429[2017-12-03 12:03:54] <julmust> truffles: sorry didn't mean to put you against the wall on the question
9430[2017-12-03 12:04:13] <Nelluk> maybe just a 'theist'
9431[2017-12-03 12:04:31] <truffles> ive been using agnostic so ill go with that
9432[2017-12-03 12:04:54] <Nelluk> sure just continue to use the word incorrectly due to habit!
9433[2017-12-03 12:05:49] <truffles> theist would mean i fall into a religious group
9434[2017-12-03 12:06:04] <Nelluk> no
9435[2017-12-03 12:06:23] <Nelluk> 'belief in the existence of a god or gods'
9436[2017-12-03 12:07:02] <truffles> well i could be agnostic so..
9437[2017-12-03 12:07:10] <Nelluk> but you said you believe that there is a higher power
9438[2017-12-03 12:07:19] <truffles> yes
9439[2017-12-03 12:07:24] <Nelluk> that means you arent an agnostic.
9440[2017-12-03 12:07:35] <truffles> ok maybe these days not so much
9441[2017-12-03 12:07:47] <truffles> let me google
9442[2017-12-03 12:08:05] <Nelluk> atheist = believe there is no god.  theist = believe there is a God.   agnostic = no belief either way
9443[2017-12-03 12:08:34] <julmust> 'Agnostic thought, in the form of skepticism, emerged as a formal philosophical position in ancient Greece.' so agnosticism is a form of skepticism
9444[2017-12-03 12:08:54] <Nelluk> theist is pretty generic label but in the absence of any more specific belief thats about as close of a label as i can think of
9445[2017-12-03 12:08:59] <truffles> i think my faith got stronger so theist fits
9446[2017-12-03 12:09:39] <julmust> the agnosticism was developed more later during the enlightenment with big philosophers using empirical methods to try to prove the existence of god
9447[2017-12-03 12:09:40] <truffles> being among atheist helps me after all
9448[2017-12-03 12:10:24] <julmust> 'The skeptical empiricism of David Hume, the antinomies of Immanuel Kant, and the existential philosophy of Søren Kierkegaard convinced many later philosophers to abandon these attempts, regarding it impossible to construct any unassailable proof for the existence or non-existence of God.[52]'
9449[2017-12-03 12:10:28] <Nelluk> i like Deism... the belief that there is a God but that it has no active participation in the universe after it was set in motion
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9452[2017-12-03 12:11:00] <truffles> i dont like the word
9453[2017-12-03 12:11:28] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I like Mustikkapiirakka 
9454[2017-12-03 12:11:50] <mouses> all you agnostics need to get off my fence
9455[2017-12-03 12:11:53] <mouses> commit ffs
9456[2017-12-03 12:11:55] <mouses> <3
9457[2017-12-03 12:12:18] <truffles> agnostic theist?
9458[2017-12-03 12:12:31] <KneesUpMthrBrown> deities don't exist
9459[2017-12-03 12:12:41] <KneesUpMthrBrown> it's ancient nonsense
9460[2017-12-03 12:13:03] <julmust> KneesUpMthrBrown: you don't exist
9461[2017-12-03 12:13:31] <KneesUpMthrBrown> fixed
9462[2017-12-03 12:13:38] <truffles>  Agnostic theists believe in at least one god
9463[2017-12-03 12:13:43] <truffles> so thats sorted
9464[2017-12-03 12:14:12] <KneesUpMthrBrown> How is your diet?
9465[2017-12-03 12:14:30] <truffles> ok. im still near peak weight
9466[2017-12-03 12:14:35] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I missed yuo, sweetheart
9467[2017-12-03 12:14:36] <KneesUpMthrBrown> <truffles> ...
9468[2017-12-03 12:14:38] <truffles> thinking of adding workout plan next month
9469[2017-12-03 12:15:06] <truffles> well..
9470[2017-12-03 12:15:09] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Those that want to workout, workout
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9472[2017-12-03 12:15:49] <KneesUpMthrBrown> zdravo
9473[2017-12-03 12:16:07] <xau> Nelluk is partially correct in his original formulation.  Yes it is correct that to be Agnostic is to believe that it cannot be known whether or not God exists.
9474[2017-12-03 12:16:26] <xau> Nelluk is however incorrect is suggesting that this bars belief in God.
9475[2017-12-03 12:16:34] <xau> One may believe in things that are not known.
9476[2017-12-03 12:16:45] <xau> There are many distinguished agnostic believers.
9477[2017-12-03 12:16:48] <Nelluk> i dont think that is how the word agnostic is used or defined.
9478[2017-12-03 12:16:56] <xau> I am myself an agnostic believer in God.
9479[2017-12-03 12:17:01] <truffles> agnostics could go either way
9480[2017-12-03 12:17:15] <Nelluk> 'one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god'
9481[2017-12-03 12:17:25] <truffles> the uncertainty aspect
9482[2017-12-03 12:17:26] <xau> Well, you are a confirmed intellectual incompetent, Nelluk, so your opinion counts only as a toxic distraction.
9483[2017-12-03 12:17:30] <Nelluk> lol
9484[2017-12-03 12:17:43] <truffles> dam
9485[2017-12-03 12:18:02] <Nelluk> ill take the dictionary over your cunty pseudo-intellectualism anyday
9486[2017-12-03 12:18:08] <truffles> someone pissed in his cereal
9487[2017-12-03 12:18:28] <KneesUpMthrBrown> We can disagree without being disagreeable
9488[2017-12-03 12:18:39] <truffles> doesnt seem possible
9489[2017-12-03 12:19:12] <xau> It is not possible to both polite and happy.
9490[2017-12-03 12:19:41] <truffles> why not
9491[2017-12-03 12:20:23] <KneesUpMthrBrown> the question, really, is can David Moyes keep West Ham up?
9492[2017-12-03 12:21:36] <truffles> happy ppl are likely to say positive words
9493[2017-12-03 12:22:58] <julmust> entertainment must be a happy business
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9496[2017-12-03 12:24:05] <truffles> KneesUpMthrBrown, how are the dates
9497[2017-12-03 12:24:10] <xau> The aphorism is just that, an aphorism, and so is not, cannot, and is not intended to stand up to analytical critique.  Edge cases abound of cours:
9498[2017-12-03 12:24:12] <xau> I suspect that it may be useful for me to supply the following guarantee, which I do: I warrant that it is my original poem, submitted and published nowhere else.  
9499[2017-12-03 12:24:18] <xau> shit
9500[2017-12-03 12:24:28] <xau> my reply to my published
9501[2017-12-03 12:24:41] <xau> let me cut and paste the right from the right notepad
9502[2017-12-03 12:25:08] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Bob Silvers
9503[2017-12-03 12:25:09] <xau> gone, so I'll just say
9504[2017-12-03 12:25:56] <KneesUpMthrBrown> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/03/23/why-we-should-mourn-the-death-of-robert-silvers/?utm_term=.73d5b7886371
9505[2017-12-03 12:25:57] <rabble_bot> ^ Why we should all mourn Robert Silvers - The Washington Post
9506[2017-12-03 12:25:57] <xau> Salesmen or social climbers may be guided by Dale Carnegie or Emily Post, respectively, and find their degraded forms of "happiness".  
9507[2017-12-03 12:26:17] <xau> It comes down to whether one is, consciously or not, a Platonist or an Aristotelean.
9508[2017-12-03 12:27:01] <KneesUpMthrBrown> New York Review has a circulation of just 134,000. By comparison, pop star Selena Gomez has 46.6 million Twitter followers.  The world is broken.
9509[2017-12-03 12:28:06] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Twitter might be the worst thing ever created
9510[2017-12-03 12:28:48] <xau> Oh do take the dictionary.  Christ.  Yes, take as your authority on the most subtle and profound matter affecting human understanding and destiny, and take as your authority specialists so focused on the topic that they dedicate their concentration, equally, to literally each and every work in the English language.
9511[2017-12-03 12:29:01] <xau> Part of being such an idiot is that you simply have no idea of who you are.
9512[2017-12-03 12:29:05] <xau> It's ok.
9513[2017-12-03 12:29:05] <Nelluk> over you? yes. any day.
9514[2017-12-03 12:29:20] <xau> Of course!  It's part of your nature to be blind to quality.
9515[2017-12-03 12:29:24] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Where does the rage come from?
9516[2017-12-03 12:29:28] <xau> That dull discord is your signature.
9517[2017-12-03 12:29:32] <xau> I speak without rancour.
9518[2017-12-03 12:29:35] <xau> Just helping.
9519[2017-12-03 12:29:39] <xau> Good day Sir.
9520[2017-12-03 12:29:52] <Nelluk> You're just some cunt on IRC who thinks he's smart but hasn't done anything to demonstrate as such. Why would i trust you over a dictionary?
9521[2017-12-03 12:30:04] <KneesUpMthrBrown> xau: Do you have a wife?
9522[2017-12-03 12:31:08] <xau> I'm not a saleman.
9523[2017-12-03 12:31:09] <truffles> he said he does
9524[2017-12-03 12:31:11] <xau> see above
9525[2017-12-03 12:31:19] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I was going to go to the United Methodist Church today, but I was too lazy.  That's pathetic.
9526[2017-12-03 12:31:21] <truffles> am i still blocked xau 
9527[2017-12-03 12:31:25] <truffles> do u feel safe
9528[2017-12-03 12:32:29] <truffles> why do ppl run from discussions..
9529[2017-12-03 12:32:48] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I'm here for you, truffles
9530[2017-12-03 12:33:02] <julmust> 'Apatheism (/ˌæpəˈθiːɪzəm/ a portmanteau of apathy and theism) is the attitude that one should be apathetic towards the existence or non-existence of god(s)'
9531[2017-12-03 12:33:30] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I need a good italian woman, but I refuse to go to the Catholic Church 
9532[2017-12-03 12:33:33] <KneesUpMthrBrown> :(
9533[2017-12-03 12:33:51] <truffles> but do u deserve one
9534[2017-12-03 12:34:07] <KneesUpMthrBrown> deserve is emo
9535[2017-12-03 12:34:19] <xau> you can start with wikipedia, you swine
9536[2017-12-03 12:34:21] <xau> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism#Types
9537[2017-12-03 12:34:23] <rabble_bot> ^ Agnosticism - Wikipedia
9538[2017-12-03 12:34:23] <xau> christ
9539[2017-12-03 12:34:27] <xau> ...
9540[2017-12-03 12:34:30] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Hug it out
9541[2017-12-03 12:34:36] <xau> what I put up with in the service of humanity
9542[2017-12-03 12:34:52] <truffles> lets make a safe space for xau
9543[2017-12-03 12:34:55] <julmust> how do you manage
9544[2017-12-03 12:35:01] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Yes, agnosticism does allow for belief
9545[2017-12-03 12:35:19] <Nelluk> "agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist"
9546[2017-12-03 12:35:24] <Nelluk> right at the top of the wikipedia page
9547[2017-12-03 12:35:26] <Nelluk> thanks for the link xau
9548[2017-12-03 12:35:54] <julmust> it should be noted that later philosophers did attempt to prove the existence of God through empirical methods, but failed
9549[2017-12-03 12:36:14] <julmust> I can't tell without having read their works myself
9550[2017-12-03 12:36:20] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Yes, but one can be agnostic and still believe.  We would then classify that level of belief as "weak".
9551[2017-12-03 12:36:25] <julmust> maybe they win
9552[2017-12-03 12:36:34] <Nelluk> hella weak
9553[2017-12-03 12:37:05] <truffles> strong enough imo
9554[2017-12-03 12:38:08] <xau> That's you not knowing what knowledge is, which of course is one of you signature traits.
9555[2017-12-03 12:38:16] <xau> Knowledge is justified true belief.
9556[2017-12-03 12:38:26] <xau> Belief in God cannot be justified by reason.
9557[2017-12-03 12:38:33] <xau> It is not rationally demonstrable.
9558[2017-12-03 12:38:37] <xau> Agnostics believe that.
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9561[2017-12-03 12:38:50] <xau> And, via recourse to various other methods, arrive a belief in God.
9562[2017-12-03 12:39:04] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Crystal Palace believe they won't be relegated
9563[2017-12-03 12:39:08] <xau> Such as faith, or epistemological pragmatism, to cite two principal methods.
9564[2017-12-03 12:39:42] <xau> I have to leave this sty of Nelluk ignorance for a bit, until his butt ache eases.
9565[2017-12-03 12:39:43] <xau> bbl
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9567[2017-12-03 12:39:46] <Nelluk> lol
9568[2017-12-03 12:40:10] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Someone's got a case of the Mondays
9569[2017-12-03 12:40:23] <julmust> it says sunday on my calendar
9570[2017-12-03 12:40:51] <nomic> JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJEEEEEEEEEEEET
9571[2017-12-03 12:40:54] — nomic hugs jeet
9572[2017-12-03 12:40:59] <nomic> WELCOME BACK JEET
9573[2017-12-03 12:41:06] <KneesUpMthrBrown> People seem to be blowing up a lot of stadiums lately
9574[2017-12-03 12:41:19] <nomic> rooney got a hat trick incl. one from own half
9575[2017-12-03 12:41:21] <KneesUpMthrBrown> The Detroit Silverdome had an attempted implosion, but it failed
9576[2017-12-03 12:41:25] <KneesUpMthrBrown> That's a lot of fail
9577[2017-12-03 12:41:33] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Yeah, I saw that goal
9578[2017-12-03 12:41:54] <KneesUpMthrBrown> It's not hard, just takes awareness of the keeper's position
9579[2017-12-03 12:41:58] <nomic> sure
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9582[2017-12-03 12:42:07] <KneesUpMthrBrown> the keeper was miles out
9583[2017-12-03 12:42:10] <nomic> was a lob
9584[2017-12-03 12:42:12] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Serves him right
9585[2017-12-03 12:42:22] <xau> that should do it.  I'll treat any residual sniping as farts, and light a candle, open a window, and run a fan.
9586[2017-12-03 12:42:29] <KneesUpMthrBrown> the ones that impress me are those wehre the keeper has only come out just a little bit
9587[2017-12-03 12:42:32] <nomic> keeper off his line
9588[2017-12-03 12:44:45] <KneesUpMthrBrown> My ex-wife invited me out to dinner, but I declined
9589[2017-12-03 12:45:43] <nomic> mebbe she wants u back
9590[2017-12-03 12:45:55] <KneesUpMthrBrown> She does
9591[2017-12-03 12:46:00] <KneesUpMthrBrown> But that wasn't her purpose
9592[2017-12-03 12:46:08] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I told her it would just make me sad to have dinner with her
9593[2017-12-03 12:46:18] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Her parents are in town
9594[2017-12-03 12:48:28] <nomic> free dinner?  !
9595[2017-12-03 12:48:50] <nomic> munch munch .. coulda cleaned her out
9596[2017-12-03 12:49:23] <truffles> im hungry
9597[2017-12-03 12:49:26] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kGmuhsxCCk  The Man Who Wasn't There - Meet Your Laywer
9598[2017-12-03 12:49:27] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - The Man Who Wasn't There - Meet Your Laywer :: Duration: 02:10
9599[2017-12-03 12:49:46] <nomic> thats a gr8 film
9600[2017-12-03 12:52:08] <julmust> 🙇
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9603[2017-12-03 12:53:50] <KneesUpMthrBrown> you're a top bloke, nomic
9604[2017-12-03 12:54:36] <nomic> ah kno
9605[2017-12-03 12:54:42] <nomic> thnks jt .. so r u jt
9606[2017-12-03 12:55:51] <KneesUpMthrBrown> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F0A8Qr-Ch4
9607[2017-12-03 12:55:52] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Black belt shows new student who the boss is :: Duration: 00:37
9608[2017-12-03 12:56:23] <nomic> i figured out this tage i tried to do
9609[2017-12-03 12:56:40] <nomic> never mind
9610[2017-12-03 12:56:49] <nomic> musta been a reason i couldnt do it
9611[2017-12-03 12:56:55] <nomic> mebbe is film time now
9612[2017-12-03 12:57:08] <julmust> stop, noodle time
9613[2017-12-03 12:57:36] <julmust> I'm getting drunk for the third time today
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9616[2017-12-03 12:58:46] <TuckFrump> https://mobile.twitter.com/RawStory/status/937393540795191296?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email&iid=37205ae36b884d0e9dcb3c08dfe6ab96&uid=3226341659&nid=244+272699393
9617[2017-12-03 12:58:46] <rabble_bot> ^ Twitter
9618[2017-12-03 12:58:56] <KneesUpMthrBrown> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaqGnIH5z4g
9619[2017-12-03 12:58:56] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Why Socialism Doesn't Work In 55 Seconds :: Duration: 00:56
9620[2017-12-03 12:59:07] <truffles> julmust, what r u drinking
9621[2017-12-03 13:00:14] <TuckFrump> https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FRawStory%2Fstatus%2F937393540795191296%3Ft%3D1%26cn%3DZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y%26refsrc%3Demail%26iid%3D37205ae36b884d0e9dcb3c08dfe6ab96%26uid%3D3226341659%26nid%3D244%2B272699393&t=1+1512329540430&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&sig=f370c62c31bbd529dddbcd6360edf2a5f2c3fb73&iid=37205ae36b884d0e9dcb3c08dfe6ab96&uid=3226341659&nid=244+272699393
9622[2017-12-03 13:00:15] <rabble_bot> ^ Raw Story on Twitter: "This is awful https://t.co/ypyYb5Kp44"
9623[2017-12-03 13:00:34] <humbot> is that your phone number ?
9624[2017-12-03 13:00:53] <truffles> someone is intersted
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9626[2017-12-03 13:02:47] <KneesUpMthrBrown> long links, please
9627[2017-12-03 13:02:53] <truffles> not sure if normalperson is normalperson 
9628[2017-12-03 13:03:11] <KneesUpMthrBrown> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p31-xQ2Rrz4
9629[2017-12-03 13:03:12] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Milton Friedman Tells Phil Donahue Why Socialism Fails :: Duration: 02:24
9630[2017-12-03 13:03:45] <humbot> milton jones IS GREATER THAN milton friedman
9631[2017-12-03 13:04:06] <truffles> no idea who milton jones is
9632[2017-12-03 13:04:10] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Milton Keynes is beset
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9635[2017-12-03 13:04:27] <KneesUpMthrBrown> MK Dons!
9636[2017-12-03 13:04:31] <normalperson> In Milton Marx we trust
9637[2017-12-03 13:04:39] — KneesUpMthrBrown slaps TuckFrump around with a massive barrel of lutefisk.
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9639[2017-12-03 13:04:55] <truffles> normalperson, plz respond
9640[2017-12-03 13:05:05] <normalperson> truffles: wine
9641[2017-12-03 13:05:17] <truffles> ppl get drunk from wine?
9642[2017-12-03 13:05:19] <normalperson> since we were on the topic of belief
9643[2017-12-03 13:05:28] <nomic> milton keynes is the most boring place on the planet
9644[2017-12-03 13:05:34] <humbot> the Milton in Milton Keynes is John
9645[2017-12-03 13:05:36] <JamGobbar> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/business/dealbook/cvs-is-said-to-agree-to-buy-aetna-reshaping-health-care-industry.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
9646[2017-12-03 13:05:39] <rabble_bot> ^ CVS Is Said to Agree to Buy Aetna, Reshaping Health Care Industry - The New York Times
9647[2017-12-03 13:05:40] <JamGobbar> heres a long link for you
9648[2017-12-03 13:05:47] <JamGobbar> now the people selling you heroin
9649[2017-12-03 13:05:50] <JamGobbar> will also be the people making it!
9650[2017-12-03 13:05:51] <JamGobbar> how nice
9651[2017-12-03 13:05:56] <normalperson> truffles: are you having something yourself_
9652[2017-12-03 13:06:08] <truffles> no im on a diet
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9654[2017-12-03 13:06:25] <normalperson> you have the strangest answers
9655[2017-12-03 13:06:39] <KneesUpMthrBrown> truffles: You can have dinner with me
9656[2017-12-03 13:06:41] <TuckFrump> Will they send me 30% off healthcare coupons ?
9657[2017-12-03 13:07:00] <JamGobbar> TuckFrump: only if you make 100k+ per year
9658[2017-12-03 13:07:06] <truffles> what r u having
9659[2017-12-03 13:07:08] <JamGobbar> remember, peasants dont need healthcare
9660[2017-12-03 13:07:10] <truffles> KneesUpMthrBrown, 
9661[2017-12-03 13:07:27] <JamGobbar> healthcare is for the afluent working class and the rich exclusively
9662[2017-12-03 13:07:31] <JamGobbar> dont like it? die of cancer
9663[2017-12-03 13:07:45] <JamGobbar> Thanks Deplorables!
9664[2017-12-03 13:08:11] <normalperson> JamGobbar: https://i.imgur.com/1qBPibN.png
9665[2017-12-03 13:08:17] <normalperson> w00t w00t
9666[2017-12-03 13:08:18] <truffles> murca elected them
9667[2017-12-03 13:08:21] <JamGobbar> rofl
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9669[2017-12-03 13:08:38] <JamGobbar> murican deplorables, w/a bit of help from that shirtless man with a twinkle in his eye from russia
9670[2017-12-03 13:08:56] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I'm having LOHIKEITTO and LIHAPULLAT MUUSILLA JA PUOLUKKAHILLOLLA
9671[2017-12-03 13:09:01] <JamGobbar> and of crouse the dejected anger of spurned bernie voters
9672[2017-12-03 13:09:05] <JamGobbar> we cant forget their roll too
9673[2017-12-03 13:09:13] <truffles> blame foreigners all u want
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9676[2017-12-03 13:09:56] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I didn't vote.  With no acceptable choices, I could not participate
9677[2017-12-03 13:10:06] <JamGobbar> and you can thank KneesUpMthrBrown too
9678[2017-12-03 13:10:17] <humbot> blame hillary supporters
9679[2017-12-03 13:10:40] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I'm not compelled to vote
9680[2017-12-03 13:11:06] <JamGobbar> who you cant blame is anyone who actualy voted against trump
9681[2017-12-03 13:11:13] <mouses> ^^^
9682[2017-12-03 13:11:20] <TuckFrump> We need a wigga REVOLUTION 
9683[2017-12-03 13:11:24] <mouses> you all had one fucking job
9684[2017-12-03 13:11:25] <mouses> :P
9685[2017-12-03 13:11:27] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I don't do votes AGAINST.  I do votes FOR.
9686[2017-12-03 13:11:32] <JamGobbar> right
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9688[2017-12-03 13:11:36] <JamGobbar> and hense, you helped elect trump
9689[2017-12-03 13:11:37] <Nelluk> dont go down thatdumb road humbot
9690[2017-12-03 13:11:39] <JamGobbar> congradulate yourself
9691[2017-12-03 13:11:47] <KneesUpMthrBrown> "I'm not Trump" is not a platform
9692[2017-12-03 13:12:00] <JamGobbar> it is when you're running against trump
9693[2017-12-03 13:12:09] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Will DNC voters learn their lesson?  I doubt it.
9694[2017-12-03 13:12:18] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Just repeat the same mistakes over and over
9695[2017-12-03 13:12:29] <JamGobbar> yeah the morons will still probably be butthurt by bernie not running in 2020
9696[2017-12-03 13:12:30] <normalperson> it'll end up right eventually
9697[2017-12-03 13:12:31] <TuckFrump> Troll
9698[2017-12-03 13:13:11] <humbot> i'll blame anyone who is still blaming the deplorables
9699[2017-12-03 13:13:45] <Nelluk> are you blaming them for using that nikcname or just for blaming those people
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9701[2017-12-03 13:14:12] <JamGobbar> humbot: if the deplorables are still responsible, why not still blame them
9702[2017-12-03 13:14:17] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Israeli Media Mogul Slams Kushner: 'A Bunch Of Orthodox Jews Who Have No Idea' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/israeli-media-mogul-slams-kushner>
9703[2017-12-03 13:14:52] <humbot> both
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9705[2017-12-03 13:14:59] <humbot> no-one is offering an alternative
9706[2017-12-03 13:15:11] <Nelluk> blaming the people who voted for Trump for getting trump in office seems perfectly sensible..
9707[2017-12-03 13:15:12] <normalperson> being deplorable is fantastic
9708[2017-12-03 13:15:37] <JamGobbar> atleast you have a big ole basket to lounge around in
9709[2017-12-03 13:15:44] <KneesUpMthrBrown> It's better to have platforms that attract Trump voters
9710[2017-12-03 13:16:03] <JamGobbar> so like, KKK or something?
9711[2017-12-03 13:16:04] <JamGobbar> david duke?
9712[2017-12-03 13:16:09] <JamGobbar> heh
9713[2017-12-03 13:16:13] <KneesUpMthrBrown> not helpful
9714[2017-12-03 13:16:22] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Same mistakes will be repeated in 2020
9715[2017-12-03 13:16:24] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I can see it
9716[2017-12-03 13:16:34] <normalperson> 2 terms
9717[2017-12-03 13:16:37] <normalperson> 2 scoops
9718[2017-12-03 13:16:45] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Probably yes
9719[2017-12-03 13:17:09] <JamGobbar> if he doesnt wind up in prison first
9720[2017-12-03 13:17:11] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Deplorables comment probably cost Hillary the election
9721[2017-12-03 13:17:15] <mouses> trump will declare victory and quit long before that
9722[2017-12-03 13:17:20] <Nelluk> theres about 20% or so of the country who feels totally fucked over by the modenr economy and was going to vote against anyone who smelled like the status quo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
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9724[2017-12-03 13:17:23] <nomic> yeah .. that was a doozy "basket of deplorables"
9725[2017-12-03 13:17:42] <normalperson> he did a lot of work, but nothing matters in the end to the media and a large chunk of society, people will go from like 14 to 18 and being able to vote, having been thought by the media that he is the worst president ever
9726[2017-12-03 13:17:56] <Nelluk> lot of things probably cost hillary the election considering how close it was. Comey letter.
9727[2017-12-03 13:18:03] <JamGobbar> KneesUpMthrBrown: no that was comeys comments that cost the election not hers
9728[2017-12-03 13:18:20] <normalperson> I believe that's what the #fakeNews media is doing, trying to brainwash people for a few years
9729[2017-12-03 13:18:35] <JamGobbar> says the guy brainwashed by brietbart and foxnews
9730[2017-12-03 13:18:36] <JamGobbar> lol
9731[2017-12-03 13:18:56] — normalperson fires a Freedom Missile at JamGobbar 
9732[2017-12-03 13:19:41] <normalperson> Sweden actually bought the Patriot missile system so now I guess we can officially be Patriots
9733[2017-12-03 13:20:32] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Being a horrible person was what ultimately cost Hillary the election
9734[2017-12-03 13:21:02] <JamGobbar> and russian hacking and gop voter suppression and angry bernie voters
9735[2017-12-03 13:21:07] <JamGobbar> the reasons she lost are legion
9736[2017-12-03 13:22:30] <mouses> JamGobbar: +++
9737[2017-12-03 13:23:17] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Running Hillary again in 2020 would be a terrible mistake
9738[2017-12-03 13:23:36] <Nelluk> it seems pretty clear to anyone paying attention that she has no intention of running again
9739[2017-12-03 13:23:39] <humbot> AT LEAST 1 in 5 people have been fucked over by the modern economy, you can't just shrug if you're serious
9740[2017-12-03 13:23:50] <JamGobbar> yeah no ones declaring she should run
9741[2017-12-03 13:24:01] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Caroline Kennedy
9742[2017-12-03 13:24:03] <Nelluk> humbot: i think that i can. 
9743[2017-12-03 13:24:23] <KneesUpMthrBrown> humbot: IRC stats
9744[2017-12-03 13:24:57] <Nelluk> and thats keeping in mind that for every one of those people in a developed economy that got fucked over, there is probably at least one person in a developing economy that is better off
9745[2017-12-03 13:25:09] <KneesUpMthrBrown> Govts can pass laws that restrict corporations ability to send jobs overseas and sellout the native worker
9746[2017-12-03 13:25:15] <Nelluk> globalization is painful and uneven. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
9747[2017-12-03 13:25:33] <Nelluk> sure, they can. i dont think they should, though.
9748[2017-12-03 13:26:02] <KneesUpMthrBrown> I think they should
9749[2017-12-03 13:28:08] <JamGobbar> sounds like a great way to make american manufacturing even less competitive 
9750[2017-12-03 13:28:12] <JamGobbar> than it already is
9751[2017-12-03 13:28:29] <zapster> https://snbchf.com/economic-theory/richardkoo/el-erian-new-normal/
9752[2017-12-03 13:28:30] <rabble_bot> ^ El-Erian: The New Normal snbchf.com
9753[2017-12-03 13:28:38] <JamGobbar> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/us/politics/trump-fbi-tatters.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news <<=-- whiney baby cries about his problems
9754[2017-12-03 13:28:42] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump, Defending Himself After Flynn Guilty Plea, Says F.B.I. Is in ‘Tatters’ - The New York Times
9755[2017-12-03 13:28:54] <zapster> When first rolled out in a May 2009 PIMCO publication, the concept of the “new normal” attracted only limited support in economic, market and policy circles. But after five years of frustratingly-low economic growth and alarmingly-high unemployment, the concept has caught on. It also relates to the more-detailed analytical work done by Carmen Reinhard, Ken Rogoff, Larry Summers, Paul Krugman, Richard Koo, Tom Friedman, and others.
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9758[2017-12-03 13:29:14] <zapster>  The initial reasoning was based on the view that it takes many years for an economy to recover fully from a period of excessive leverage, extreme debt entitlement, and irresponsible risk taking and credit extension. Subsequently, with policy responses lagging developments on the ground (see next point), the growth/employment challenges were further aggravated by inadequate aggregate demand and insufficient attention paid to 
9759[2017-12-03 13:29:15] <zapster> supply-side factors.
9760[2017-12-03 13:29:17] <zapster> golly
9761[2017-12-03 13:29:21] <KneesUpMthrBrown> paste
9762[2017-12-03 13:30:03] <normalperson> zapster: it turns out it is globalism that creates economic depression, US will have a 3.9% growth this year
9763[2017-12-03 13:30:50] <zapster> it's not globalism entirely 
9764[2017-12-03 13:30:57] <Nelluk> lol
9765[2017-12-03 13:31:04] <JamGobbar> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/opinion/sunday/republicans-broke-congress-politics.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
9766[2017-12-03 13:31:06] <zapster> much of it is political ideology interfering with effective responses
9767[2017-12-03 13:31:07] <rabble_bot> ^ How the Republicans Broke Congress - The New York Times
9768[2017-12-03 13:31:16] <zapster> as noted by many many experts now
9769[2017-12-03 13:32:03] <zapster> and since governments have abdicated their responsibilities, we're left with this: 
9770[2017-12-03 13:32:04] <normalperson> the largest union here, the technicalcompanies or however you'd translate the name, only hires 15% of its workers in the country
9771[2017-12-03 13:32:07] <zapster> Thanks to the hyper activism of central banks, markets have been largely shielded from the impact of weaker fundamentals. Indeed, central banks have inserted quite a wedge between fundamentals and market prices; and they have done so for an understandable reason: given their limited policy tools, they are obliged to use the asset price channel as a way to influence wealth, spending, animal spirits, risk taking and investing.
9772[2017-12-03 13:32:12] <KneesUpMthrBrown> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khka76PZA58
9773[2017-12-03 13:32:13] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Milton Friedman: What is Actually Wrong with Socialism? :: Duration: 11:31
9774[2017-12-03 13:32:21] <zapster> yeah, but you don't have to allow them to do that, either
9775[2017-12-03 13:32:45] <normalperson> it wouldn't play out nicely with the other cointries you trade with
9776[2017-12-03 13:32:46] <zapster> milton friedman preferred dictatorship. I would not regard him as an appropriate model 
9777[2017-12-03 13:32:58] <KneesUpMthrBrown> fixed
9778[2017-12-03 13:33:02] <zapster> but it does
9779[2017-12-03 13:33:09] * ChanServ set -v KneesUpMthrBrown
9780[2017-12-03 13:33:11] <zapster> fixex.
9781[2017-12-03 13:33:14] <zapster> fixed. 
9782[2017-12-03 13:33:20] <zapster> don't troll me
9783[2017-12-03 13:33:31] ← KneesUpMthrBrown left (email@unaffiliated/bazinga/x-2527997): 
9784[2017-12-03 13:33:31] <truffles> why not
9785[2017-12-03 13:33:34] <normalperson> you can see what happens when you want to bring countries back, with Mexico and the US, Mexico didn't take it lightly that they wanted to bring US jobs back
9786[2017-12-03 13:33:53] <normalperson> so it gives not only industry leverage, but also other countries, in extorting the economic system
9787[2017-12-03 13:33:54] <zapster> because he contributes nothing to the discussion and only seeks to disrupt it 
9788[2017-12-03 13:34:20] <truffles> depends on who u ask..
9789[2017-12-03 13:34:28] <zapster> not now, but look at who was in cahoots with us from the start 
9790[2017-12-03 13:34:35] <truffles> i guess muting ppl is the new way of modding
9791[2017-12-03 13:34:41] <zapster> vincente fox, who went to school with gw bush and the rest
9792[2017-12-03 13:35:12] <zapster> when your government is willing to loot your own country for profit, relations between them are likely to be a bit strained if you move to correct the damage
9793[2017-12-03 13:35:51] <zapster> I don't particularly want to ban. but his behavior irritates people a lot. 
9794[2017-12-03 13:36:04] <zapster> more akin to smacking him on the muzzle and saying 'no'. 
9795[2017-12-03 13:36:27] <normalperson> it keeps people dumb to abort meaningful discourse
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9797[2017-12-03 13:36:59] <zapster> if he had anything substantive to add to the discourse, I wouldn't mind. keep me interested and you'll be  fine. don't just set shit up and play that game. 
9798[2017-12-03 13:37:34] <Nelluk> he was contributing substantively to a convo about globalism before you joined
9799[2017-12-03 13:37:39] <zapster> and it has been a daily occurrence. comes in here and tries to abort conversations that are already in progress that way
9800[2017-12-03 13:37:48] <zapster> he  could have continued 
9801[2017-12-03 13:37:59] <zapster> but he didn't. we are still talking about it 
9802[2017-12-03 13:38:29] <truffles> yea he was ontop earlier, i guess im not keepign up with chat
9803[2017-12-03 13:38:36] <zapster> denmark seems to have managed to keep globalism from causing the same kind of havoc 
9804[2017-12-03 13:39:06] <zapster> he's welcome to participate meaningfully. he's not welcome to troll people. 
9805[2017-12-03 13:39:15] <truffles> dictatorships make me angst 
9806[2017-12-03 13:39:48] <zapster> that friedman dig is especially nasty. friedman was pinochet's advisor
9807[2017-12-03 13:39:59] <normalperson> zapster: it may come down to people, there are lots of good people in Denmark, not many would give up that environment for less developed countries
9808[2017-12-03 13:40:14] <zapster> and my pointing it out is notthing but a notation of history
9809[2017-12-03 13:40:29] <zapster> it comes down to denmark's constitution. 
9810[2017-12-03 13:40:40] <zapster> where unions are protected *in the constitution* 
9811[2017-12-03 13:40:55] <zapster> employers can do anything to be competitive *except* violate a union contract
9812[2017-12-03 13:40:59] <Nelluk> you've really shifted the definition of what constitutes trolling or a personal attack in the last week
9813[2017-12-03 13:41:41] <JamGobbar> apparently trollin == pasting a video that critisizes socialism now
9814[2017-12-03 13:41:56] <zapster> no I haven't. I've just decided that the constant personal attacks aren't much fun. and since banning him, there have been some wonderful discussions that he wouldn't have tolerate 
9815[2017-12-03 13:42:05] <zapster> it actually did improve things quite a bit 
9816[2017-12-03 13:42:12] <zapster> no. 
9817[2017-12-03 13:42:24] <zapster> you don't understand what that was about. but he does. 
9818[2017-12-03 13:42:31] <Nelluk> if you say so
9819[2017-12-03 13:43:27] <zapster> it's been going on for months. he posts something, I respond, and he either calls me a kook or puts me on ignore, which is wha that 'fixed' thing is. it's a dig. he didn't have to do either. 
9820[2017-12-03 13:43:51] <normalperson> he probably didn't watch the video
9821[2017-12-03 13:43:54] <truffles> its too bad the internet is full of dictatorship
9822[2017-12-03 13:43:58] <zapster> and the troll diverts the conversation unless I keep him on ignore all the time
9823[2017-12-03 13:44:14] <Nelluk> the convo would have kept on rolling if you had just let the water slide off your back
9824[2017-12-03 13:44:48] <truffles> itll be fine once all the main chatters get banned
9825[2017-12-03 13:44:48] <mouses> like a duck!
9826[2017-12-03 13:44:50] <zapster> added to the fact that he rarely even engages in anything related to the channel, he can just cut it out and either contribute normally or go hang out somewhere more compatible
9827[2017-12-03 13:44:55] — mouses quacks at Nelluk
9828[2017-12-03 13:44:57] <truffles> ull get lets of space to talk to self :d
9829[2017-12-03 13:45:26] <zapster> maybe. but why should I have? why should I put up with constantly being targeted by a nutcase? 
9830[2017-12-03 13:45:39] <mouses> zapster: it's irc, it's all nutcases
9831[2017-12-03 13:45:53] <humbot> :d
9832[2017-12-03 13:46:02] <humbot> PEANUTS FOR SALE
9833[2017-12-03 13:46:04] <truffles> well i need another nutcase friendly chan to join
9834[2017-12-03 13:46:08] <truffles> i have an opening
9835[2017-12-03 13:46:10] <zapster> I'm refusing to believe that. we have people in here that can debate sensibly and politely and it's great fun
9836[2017-12-03 13:46:26] <zapster> why put up with people who only want to be deliberately irritating? 
9837[2017-12-03 13:46:27] <mouses> truffles: I help run ##politicalparty, it's a nice calm place with some nutjobs
9838[2017-12-03 13:46:41] <truffles> cool
9839[2017-12-03 13:46:42] <mouses> not nearly as busy or established as this channel though
9840[2017-12-03 13:47:01] <truffles> oh 5 is enough
9841[2017-12-03 13:47:32] <zapster> you'll get there if you can find the balance between letting people say what they want and those that just like seeing how much havoc they can cause
9842[2017-12-03 13:47:53] <zapster> I"ve tolerated jeet doing that for about 5 years now
9843[2017-12-03 13:48:09] <zapster> I'm just tired of it. and I've had other people complaining about it too. 
9844[2017-12-03 13:48:22] <truffles> maybe ure fed up with irc 
9845[2017-12-03 13:48:29] <truffles> take a break
9846[2017-12-03 13:48:35] <zapster> nah. it's been great the last few days 
9847[2017-12-03 13:48:47] <zapster> had a lot of fun in several discussions
9848[2017-12-03 13:49:15] <truffles> why do ppl need to be in agreement all the time..
9849[2017-12-03 13:49:22] <humbot> ich habe feuer
9850[2017-12-03 13:49:27] <zapster> getting rid of the flaming egos and keeping people that are genuinely interested in ideas just might be a good move 
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9852[2017-12-03 13:49:42] <zapster> you don't 
9853[2017-12-03 13:49:51] <zapster> how often to JamGobbar and I agree on anything? 
9854[2017-12-03 13:49:57] <zapster> lol
9855[2017-12-03 13:50:12] <zapster> but we do have some fine discussions 
9856[2017-12-03 13:50:18] <truffles> i rarely see him
9857[2017-12-03 13:50:22] <normalperson> humbot: I'm keeping an eye on you too
9858[2017-12-03 13:50:46] <zapster> what I'm looking for is people that are interested in knowing more about stuff, ever if they don't think they're gonna agree with it. in the real world, nothing is black and white
9859[2017-12-03 13:51:23] <zapster> and if they don't, tell me why. don't just accuse me of.. whatever. I have been known to change my mind :)
9860[2017-12-03 13:52:14] <truffles> im never going to ok silencing ppl..
9861[2017-12-03 13:52:22] <zapster> this disturbing fear of all things russia is deeply disturbing. or syrian, or whatever the regime-change-target of the week. why should anybody be afraid of finding out about things behind our iron media curtain? 
9862[2017-12-03 13:52:53] <zapster> I dunno. have you ever had to walk away from a nutcase in real life? 
9863[2017-12-03 13:53:09] <zapster> found people that were so obnoxious no conversation was possible? 
9864[2017-12-03 13:53:18] <truffles> we r not the same
9865[2017-12-03 13:53:33] <humbot> ich habe ein apfel
9866[2017-12-03 13:53:38] <zapster> didn't say you were. but this isn't much different from a convo in the real world 
9867[2017-12-03 13:53:38] — normalperson pictures jeet as this fat guy in a cubicle making good money smirking at everything everyone else says
9868[2017-12-03 13:53:42] <normalperson> might be off by a kilo or two
9869[2017-12-03 13:53:52] <zapster> he's currently unemployed, I'm told
9870[2017-12-03 13:54:18] <zapster> this being the same guy that a year ago was jeering at people that were having trouble finding work and calling them names
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9873[2017-12-03 13:54:22] <truffles> pretty difficult to dodge them irl
9874[2017-12-03 13:54:35] <zapster> yeah. easier in irc, for sure. 
9875[2017-12-03 13:54:37] <truffles> online we have all sorts of features to
9876[2017-12-03 13:54:48] <RcHaCk> DilloMeister
9877[2017-12-03 13:55:02] <zapster> but there are no shortage of irc channels. if they can't be polite and friendly in here, I'm sure he can find one where he can 
9878[2017-12-03 13:55:11] <zapster> hell, he has a channel of his own anyway
9879[2017-12-03 13:55:26] <truffles> weird he didnt invite me
9880[2017-12-03 13:55:27] <DilloMeister> RcHaCk - it appears the trade went through after all.  We're getting several days of rain :)
9881[2017-12-03 13:55:35] <zapster> it's on undernet, I believe. 
9882[2017-12-03 13:55:42] <zapster> I can't remember what it's called tho
9883[2017-12-03 13:55:54] <RcHaCk> haha nice
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9885[2017-12-03 13:56:22] — zapster buys options...
9886[2017-12-03 13:56:33] <zapster> _wg 49686
9887[2017-12-03 13:56:34] <realpol> zapster: Traverse City, MI :: Overcast :: 0240F/024C | Sunday: Periods of rain late. Lows overnight in the mid 30s. Sunday Night: Cloudy with rain developing after midnight. Low 36F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70%.
9888[2017-12-03 13:56:51] <mouses> https://freenode.net/changuide
9889[2017-12-03 13:56:51] <rabble_bot> ^ Channel Guidelines - freenode
9890[2017-12-03 13:56:53] <zapster> was pretty warm out there earlier
9891[2017-12-03 13:57:02] <mouses> (mischannel, sorry)
9892[2017-12-03 13:57:11] <normalperson> not bad
9893[2017-12-03 13:57:11] <zapster> sokay, I've read 'em
9894[2017-12-03 13:57:15] <normalperson> _wg Ystad, Sweden
9895[2017-12-03 13:57:16] <realpol> normalperson: Ystad, Sweden :: Partly Cloudy :: 0237F/023C | Wind Chill: 1030F/10-1C | Sunday: Partly cloudy. Lows overnight in the low 30s. Sunday Night: Some clouds this evening will give way to mainly clear skies overnight. Low 33F. Winds NW at 10 to 15 mph.
9896[2017-12-03 13:57:31] <zapster> chilly 
9897[2017-12-03 13:57:34] <RcHaCk>  _wg vancouver canada
9898[2017-12-03 13:57:40] <RcHaCk> _wg vancouver canada
9899[2017-12-03 13:57:41] <realpol> RcHaCk: Vancouver, British Columbia :: Mostly Cloudy :: 0241F/025C | Wind Chill: 0237F/023C | Sunday: Sun and clouds mixed. High 42F. Winds light and variable. Sunday Night: Partly cloudy skies. Low 33F. Winds light and variable.
9900[2017-12-03 13:58:08] <zapster> it was up in the 50s yesterday, which is just plain nuts for this time of year
9901[2017-12-03 13:58:09] <normalperson> one can live with the cold but not with the wind, few evenings are wind-free around here, which is sad because of the amazing view
9902[2017-12-03 13:58:24] <zapster> oh yeah I hear that
9903[2017-12-03 13:58:34] <normalperson> outside my house https://i.imgur.com/nnzjVsh.jpg
9904[2017-12-03 13:58:36] <zapster> are you close to water? 
9905[2017-12-03 13:58:55] <zapster> heh, no wonder 
9906[2017-12-03 13:59:04] <zapster> you are such an awesome photographer
9907[2017-12-03 13:59:16] <normalperson> sorry that was with the phone
9908[2017-12-03 13:59:25] <normalperson> yeah I'm homeless at this vacation resort, no idea what's going on
9909[2017-12-03 13:59:55] <nomic> gedit was slowing me down ..
9910[2017-12-03 13:59:58] <RcHaCk> your homless at a vacation resort ?
9911[2017-12-03 14:00:03] <zapster> resorts can be miserable at the wrong time of year lol
9912[2017-12-03 14:00:08] <nomic> wth i was like still using the standard editor for
9913[2017-12-03 14:00:42] <nomic> gedit/nano .. i still use nano a bit .. cos it works using ncurses, operates in a bash window .. nano is a cool little editor
9914[2017-12-03 14:00:56] <zapster> yeah, and most distros have it 
9915[2017-12-03 14:01:01] — nomic nods
9916[2017-12-03 14:01:04] <normalperson> RcHaCk: what can one do, it shoudln't be a problem to pay the stay here, and the state knows it
9917[2017-12-03 14:02:01] <normalperson> their policy of surround me with arabs and me having the luck of being surrounded by communists on the net ;) has taken its toll
9918[2017-12-03 14:02:10] <normalperson> the least they can do is put me at a 5 star vacation resort, which this isn't
9919[2017-12-03 14:02:13] <nomic> watcihng sorta this dumb movie about the iranian embassy seige .. has bad reviews. bored me to start with .. lacks anything .. no engagement
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9921[2017-12-03 14:02:18] <nomic> '6 days'
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9924[2017-12-03 14:02:26] <nomic> is propaganda really
9925[2017-12-03 14:03:53] <nomic> imdb 6.2 it'll be
9926[2017-12-03 14:04:14] <nomic> am bang on again .. imdb 6.2
9927[2017-12-03 14:04:29] <nomic> means its a 4
9928[2017-12-03 14:04:31] <nomic> its shit
9929[2017-12-03 14:04:54] <zapster> LOL.. lessee, don't like being surrounded by commies, but want the state to put you up at a 5-star hotel? 
9930[2017-12-03 14:05:01] <zapster> <.<
9931[2017-12-03 14:06:23] <zapster> lol.. the CEO of PIMCO in 2014: "The banking system will be a shadow of its former self. With regulation more expansive in form and reach, the sector will be de-risked, de-levered, and subject to greater burden sharing. The forces of consolidation and shrinkage will spread beyond banks, impacting a host of non-bank financial institutions as well as the investment management industry."
9932[2017-12-03 14:06:25] <zapster> oops
9933[2017-12-03 14:06:40] <zapster> they captured the governments instead
9934[2017-12-03 14:06:54] <nomic> what regulation .. there is no regulation
9935[2017-12-03 14:07:12] <zapster> exactly. he was expecting a regulatory response that didn't materialize
9936[2017-12-03 14:07:23] <zapster> trump has more gsachs handlers than obama did 
9937[2017-12-03 14:07:28] <zapster> and he had too many
9938[2017-12-03 14:08:26] <humbot> German police using watercannon in freezing conditions to enable parliament to open despite 1000s of protesters
9939[2017-12-03 14:10:54] <humbot> weird how you get to love the smell of a bong
9940[2017-12-03 14:11:59] * djancak → notdjanatyn
9941[2017-12-03 14:12:03] <JamGobbar> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-dont-think-its-going-to-help-in-a-pro-trump-area-many-are-skeptical-of-gop-tax-plan/2017/12/03/7c8cc8ac-d685-11e7-95bf-df7c19270879_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_taxvoters-157pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
9942[2017-12-03 14:12:04] <rabble_bot> ^ ‘I don’t think it’s going to help’: In a pro-Trump area, many voters are skeptical of GOP tax plan - The Washington Post
9943[2017-12-03 14:12:10] <JamGobbar>  as well they should be
9944[2017-12-03 14:12:28] <JamGobbar> too bad they werent more skeptical of the GOP politicians they elected to pass this tax reform clusterfuck
9945[2017-12-03 14:13:06] <JamGobbar> A 60-year-old retiree bowling with a group of girlfriends said she’s tired of the middle class having to pay more so the wealthy can become even wealthier. A few lanes away, a middle-aged woman with frizzy gray hair said that the more she hears about the plan, the more she hates it. And a group of young guys in matching shirts said they didn’t even know the proposal was in the 
9946[2017-12-03 14:13:07] <JamGobbar> works, although they seemed skeptical that their taxes would ever go down in a meaningful way. 
9947[2017-12-03 14:13:17] <JamGobbar> but keep voting GOP assholes! keep it up
9948[2017-12-03 14:13:19] <JamGobbar> see what you get
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9952[2017-12-03 14:13:39] <normalperson> sorry it's not easy at all to be in this mess with homelessness
9953[2017-12-03 14:14:12] <zapster> don't think the tax plan is gonna help? they have a gift for understatement there
9954[2017-12-03 14:14:57] <rabble_bot> News from c&l: Chuck Todd Grills Sen. Collins: 'Where's The Evidence' Tax Cuts Will Cut Deficit 'It Doesn't Exist' <https://crooksandliars.com/2017/12/chuck-todd-grills-sen-collins-wheres>
9955[2017-12-03 14:15:26] <zapster> the media has been almost silent on it. all the substantial analyses are on the blogs and twitter 
9956[2017-12-03 14:16:06] <zapster> what's been especially interesting lately is seeing stuff on right-wing sites coming out against it too
9957[2017-12-03 14:16:34] <zapster> tax cut cut deficit??? wha???
9958[2017-12-03 14:16:53] <normalperson> tax cut deficit?
9959[2017-12-03 14:16:59] <zapster> all it's doing is moving our deficit wealth from our pockets to the rich 
9960[2017-12-03 14:17:39] <zapster> ah, she trots out the infamous confidence fairy
9961[2017-12-03 14:18:10] <zapster> the one that says if everyone is even broker than they are now it'll make them more confident about the future and they'll go out and take on more debt
9962[2017-12-03 14:21:21] <JamGobbar> lol
9963[2017-12-03 14:24:26] <normalperson> zapster: what are you watching?
9964[2017-12-03 14:24:59] <zapster> https://snbchf.com/2017/12/news-swiss-offering-inundated-applications/
9965[2017-12-03 14:25:01] <rabble_bot> ^ Swiss village offering to pay people to live there inundated with applications snbchf.com
9966[2017-12-03 14:25:11] <zapster> nothing much, just poking around 
9967[2017-12-03 14:25:59] <zapster> weird. the  houses are all black
9968[2017-12-03 14:26:16] <normalperson> they must have some pretty traditional villages in Switzerland, that plays a huge role in a basic income
9969[2017-12-03 14:26:26] <JamGobbar> black houses retain heat better
9970[2017-12-03 14:26:27] <JamGobbar> makes sense
9971[2017-12-03 14:26:49] <normalperson> going to the store, getting the looks, everyone knowing each other
9972[2017-12-03 14:27:01] <normalperson> "what are you doing for that basic income"
9973[2017-12-03 14:27:07] <zapster> raw wood siding I guess 
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9976[2017-12-03 14:27:17] <zapster> good point JamGobbar 
9977[2017-12-03 14:27:21] <zapster> maybe that's it 
9978[2017-12-03 14:28:19] — zapster grows gardens and paints and stuff. 
9979[2017-12-03 14:28:36] <notdjanatyn> are you gardening on salvia zapster
9980[2017-12-03 14:28:50] <zapster> salvia? the flowers? 
9981[2017-12-03 14:28:55] <notdjanatyn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlyXs8VZvo
9982[2017-12-03 14:28:55] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - Gardening on Salvia Part 2 :: Duration: 03:00
9983[2017-12-03 14:29:06] <zapster> sounds like another planet
9984[2017-12-03 14:29:11] <raijin> _wg waarren maine
9985[2017-12-03 14:29:12] <realpol> raijin: Error: I could not find a valid location for: waarren maine
9986[2017-12-03 14:29:24] <raijin> _wg warren maine
9987[2017-12-03 14:29:25] <realpol> raijin: Warren, ME :: Partly Cloudy :: 0236F/022C | Wind Chill: 0233F/021C | Sunday: A few clouds. Lows overnight in the upper 20s. Sunday Night: Mainly clear. Low 27F. Winds light and variable.
9988[2017-12-03 14:29:39] <zapster> oh, stuff is sposed to make you high? 
9989[2017-12-03 14:29:44] <notdjanatyn> yea :(
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9992[2017-12-03 14:29:49] <zapster> does it work?
9993[2017-12-03 14:29:56] <notdjanatyn> i smoked it once and it didn't do anything to me
9994[2017-12-03 14:29:57] <zapster> salvia's not an uncommon ornamental
9995[2017-12-03 14:29:59] <notdjanatyn> but that happened with cannabis too
9996[2017-12-03 14:30:01] <mouses> man fuck salvia
9997[2017-12-03 14:30:04] <raijin> it doesn't make you high
9998[2017-12-03 14:30:06] <mouses> it tastes like dead fish
9999[2017-12-03 14:30:13] <mouses> lol yes it does make you high
10000[2017-12-03 14:30:16] <mouses> it's very short lived
10001[2017-12-03 14:30:18] <zapster> cannabis takes a few rounds 
10002[2017-12-03 14:30:19] <raijin> it fucking completely diassociates you from your egosuperego
10003[2017-12-03 14:30:21] <mouses> but it will fuzz you up
10004[2017-12-03 14:30:26] <mouses> raijin: ++++
10005[2017-12-03 14:30:33] <raijin> it's nothing like being high
10006[2017-12-03 14:30:36] <raijin> it's like hell
10007[2017-12-03 14:30:38] <notdjanatyn> zapster it's the same guy that made the spooky halloween comment etiquette video
10008[2017-12-03 14:30:38] <zapster> hm, so he passes out before he gets it planted? 
10009[2017-12-03 14:30:40] <mouses> raijin: in terms of straight 'hardest' trip ever for me, it would be salvia
10010[2017-12-03 14:30:43] <zapster> seems less than useful
10011[2017-12-03 14:30:44] <zapster> lol
10012[2017-12-03 14:30:56] <raijin> that's why it was used in ceremonies
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10015[2017-12-03 14:31:01] <raijin> it's about the environment
10016[2017-12-03 14:31:11] <nomic> theresa may .. trump confirmed this .. the manchester attack (concert) .. was when may was having her worst week, during the election .. the police were aware of the terrorists .. they let them through -- it was to aid may
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10019[2017-12-03 14:31:25] <nomic> later attack, trump confirmed, the p olice were aware of the terrorist
10020[2017-12-03 14:31:35] <raijin> the fucking television was on when I took those bong hits
10021[2017-12-03 14:31:57] <nomic> statistically it was improbable .. that the worst attack in several years, was co-incidental with that womans failing election
10022[2017-12-03 14:32:08] <zapster> false flag, nomic?
10023[2017-12-03 14:32:11] <nomic> yes
10024[2017-12-03 14:32:32] <zapster> not impossible. nor even all that uncommon, tho we don't usually find out for about 30 years
10025[2017-12-03 14:32:40] <raijin> it's basicallly 45 seconds of the fucking hardest tripping you can do
10026[2017-12-03 14:32:50] <zapster> tho, I'd wonder how she got the cops to cooperate with that
10027[2017-12-03 14:32:50] <raijin> depending on dose
10028[2017-12-03 14:32:57] <zapster> I see
10029[2017-12-03 14:33:13] <Geronimo> hola truffs 
10030[2017-12-03 14:33:33] <raijin> mouses: agreed
10031[2017-12-03 14:33:54] <normalperson> https://boards.4chan.org/pol/
10032[2017-12-03 14:33:55] <rabble_bot> ^ /pol/ - Politically Incorrect - 4chan
10033[2017-12-03 14:34:03] <normalperson> https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/151870421/photos-from-rural-north-korea-looks-comfy
10034[2017-12-03 14:34:05] <rabble_bot> ^ /pol/ - Photos from rural North Korea - Looks Comfy - Politically Incorrect - 4chan
10035[2017-12-03 14:34:06] <normalperson> err
10036[2017-12-03 14:34:07] <zapster> looks like sage
10037[2017-12-03 14:34:08] <nomic> its the police forces .. the intelligence, they "operate within parameters" .. command decisions are made centrally .. the police forces as such aren't aware of the political questions that affect operations
10038[2017-12-03 14:34:10] <zapster> https://s1.qwant.com/thumbr/0x0/8/8/4ede332ad2f4e8a3d9c14c2801f043/b_1_q_0_p_0.jpg?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F5%2F5d%2FSalvia_officinalis_Habitus_DehesaBoyalPuertollano.jpg%2F1200px-Salvia_officinalis_Habitus_DehesaBoyalPuertollano.jpg&q=0&b=1&p=0&a=1
10039[2017-12-03 14:34:13] <zapster> bah
10040[2017-12-03 14:34:27] <zapster> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia#/media/File:Salvia_officinalis_Habitus_DehesaBoyalPuertollano.jpg
10041[2017-12-03 14:34:27] <rabble_bot> ^ Salvia - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
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10043[2017-12-03 14:34:58] <nomic> statistically, within their 'parameters' they will let some attacks through ... those attacks can be used in politically opportune circumstances
10044[2017-12-03 14:35:08] <zapster> hah, it IS sage
10045[2017-12-03 14:35:15] <normalperson> I bet nobody would know if you grew a bunch of sage
10046[2017-12-03 14:35:20] <nomic> the uk govt has a "covenant of agreement" with groups based here
10047[2017-12-03 14:35:31] <zapster> I have lots. dunno if it's the same salvia tho
10048[2017-12-03 14:35:34] <nomic> that's how theresa may was able to threated france etc over security
10049[2017-12-03 14:35:49] <nomic> they have agreements with the terrorists not to, or when to attakvc
10050[2017-12-03 14:35:51] <nomic> attack
10051[2017-12-03 14:36:20] <nomic> i binned that succulant plant cos it wilted in the cold .. 
10052[2017-12-03 14:36:25] <nomic> no patience to sorta nurse it
10053[2017-12-03 14:36:33] <nomic> depressing to have around wilted
10054[2017-12-03 14:37:00] <nomic> sticking to my herb robert plants .. nothing kills them
10055[2017-12-03 14:38:24] <normalperson> but salvia is an extract, you get it in 10x, 20x etc, for 10x plant-to-extract
10056[2017-12-03 14:38:41] <zapster> sage extract then? :)
10057[2017-12-03 14:39:25] <normalperson> yeah
10058[2017-12-03 14:39:35] <zapster> actually, I dry sage, and stripping and cleaning the leaves will make me feel kind of light-headed after awhile. the oil is very strong smelling 
10059[2017-12-03 14:40:04] <zapster> get the same effect with peppermint and rosemary too tho
10060[2017-12-03 14:41:34] <normalperson> I don't think that's an effect from it
10061[2017-12-03 14:44:43] <normalperson> I've only tried really strong ones like 60x or 80x or something when experimenting with shamanic rituals, and it comes on fast and really strong, like when getting up and becoming really dizzy
10062[2017-12-03 14:45:02] <raijin> crazy
10063[2017-12-03 14:45:11] <normalperson> but the balance system took a weird 90 degree inclination, and it felt like the windows were the floor, it wasnt' nice
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10065[2017-12-03 14:47:41] <humbot> 5000 EU citizens expelled from the UK last year
10066[2017-12-03 14:47:56] <humbot> almost like uk law applies in the uk
10067[2017-12-03 14:48:13] <zapster> https://twitter.com/wbmosler/status/937384227322191873
10068[2017-12-03 14:48:14] <rabble_bot> ^ Warren B. Mosler on Twitter: "Yes the Federal govt. can indeed fix many of our problems, such as unemployment, as it's the entity that has both created and sustained them… https://t.co/auWJxN0IpP"
10069[2017-12-03 14:48:24] <humbot> as if we can actually control our borders
10070[2017-12-03 14:48:58] <zapster> It usually happens after I've handled a lot of it for an hour or so. soaks into skin I think. 
10071[2017-12-03 14:49:03] <zapster> don't like it tho. 
10072[2017-12-03 14:50:16] <zapster> https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/937400973160472576
10073[2017-12-03 14:50:17] <rabble_bot> ^ Noah Smith on Twitter: "Here's how someone in Seattle spends his $100k/yr salary. Remember that Seattle median household income is $80k, so this $100k is a middle… https://t.co/kKHuJGAeho"
10074[2017-12-03 14:50:21] <zapster> check out the image
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10076[2017-12-03 14:53:13] <zapster> doesn't have to buy health insurance 
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10079[2017-12-03 14:56:34] <zapster> awww: https://twitter.com/Filth800/status/936745866819461122
10080[2017-12-03 14:56:35] <rabble_bot> ^ High Class Filth on Twitter: "so last summer i randomly met this 80 y/o woman on words with friends. we played 300+ games together and she actually ended up becoming a go… https://t.co/iLwCg2JEn4"
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10083[2017-12-03 14:57:31] <zapster> https://jacobinmag.com/2017/12/republican-tax-plan-democrats-national-debt
10084[2017-12-03 14:57:31] <rabble_bot> ^ How Not to Debate the Tax Plan
10085[2017-12-03 15:04:18] <zapster> You have to look a bit farther back to understand Democrats’ role in the tax bill’s passage, to the party’s wholesale embrace of Republicans’ right-wing dogmas about the economy. Chief among them? Deficit hawkishness.
10086[2017-12-03 15:04:46] <zapster> Bill Clinton came out of the gate swinging against government spending in 1993 with his Deficit Reduction Act, following it up with the Balanced Budget Act of 1997. An archived summation of the Clinton White House’s accomplishments notes how he put America’s “fiscal house in order,” and carried out the lowest level of government spending since 1966.
10087[2017-12-03 15:04:54] <zapster> and we've been in trouble ever since
10088[2017-12-03 15:05:08] <zapster> there was never any mention of it before that
10089[2017-12-03 15:05:35] <humbot> Scham Scham Scham,,
10090[2017-12-03 15:06:31] <zapster> While the Koch brothers and other wealthy donors have certainly helped bring modern conservatism closer to Cato-style small government dogmatism in recent years, what was true then remains true now: Republicans only care about the deficit when they can weaponize it against the poor and their opponents’ political priorities.
10091[2017-12-03 15:08:01] <humbot> die nacht ist nicht allein zum Schlafen da
10092[2017-12-03 15:08:16] <zapster> ?
10093[2017-12-03 15:08:30] <notdjanatyn> i want to do PHYSICAL HARM TO THE GRAND OLD PARTY
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10095[2017-12-03 15:08:45] <zapster> you lisn'n to that furriner music agin? 
10096[2017-12-03 15:08:47] <djancak> PERFORM CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST THE ENEMY!!!!
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10099[2017-12-03 15:09:12] <zapster> hey djancak :)
10100[2017-12-03 15:09:33] <djancak> damn zapster do you remember the READ THE BILLS ACT
10101[2017-12-03 15:09:37] <djancak> AND THE WRITE THE LAWS ACT
10102[2017-12-03 15:09:42] <djancak> AND THE ONE SUBJECT AT A TIME ACT
10103[2017-12-03 15:09:48] <zapster> no, but we sure as hell need one
10104[2017-12-03 15:10:05] <zapster> all of them
10105[2017-12-03 15:10:15] <djancak> god i remember being a young imbecilic libretardian and being a big fan of downsizedc.org
10106[2017-12-03 15:10:24] <djancak> but i still think those three bills are fucking great ideas
10107[2017-12-03 15:10:32] <djancak> https://downsizedc.org/proposals/
10108[2017-12-03 15:10:35] <rabble_bot> ^ Our Proposals
10109[2017-12-03 15:10:43] <zapster> what changed your mind on libertardianism?
10110[2017-12-03 15:10:52] <djancak> basic processing of reality
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10113[2017-12-03 15:11:06] <zapster> most of it's victims have a bottomless capacity to ignore reality
10114[2017-12-03 15:11:23] <djancak> i read ron paul's liberty manifesto and thinking "uhmmm yea boy that ain't how the world works"
10115[2017-12-03 15:11:48] <djancak> well i basically just liked ron paul he was the anti war candidate and spoke truth to power far more than the retardlicans 
10116[2017-12-03 15:12:05] <djancak> i also liked mike gravel
10117[2017-12-03 15:12:24] <zapster> heh, yeah. I had someone ask me what I thought about ayn rand's books when I was a teen. It made little impression because I was already a science-fiction fan. I told her they were poorly written iirc. 
10118[2017-12-03 15:12:39] <djancak> god i watched all three of the movies made on that
10119[2017-12-03 15:12:45] <djancak> not because i'm a big fan
10120[2017-12-03 15:12:50] <djancak> but i just wanted to see HOW BAD CAN IT GET
10121[2017-12-03 15:12:58] <djancak> fucking TELLER from Penn and Teller is in the second one
10122[2017-12-03 15:13:11] <zapster> yeah, I had much the same reaction to ron paul for about 2.5 speeches I think. then he slid into economics and his social views and that took care of that
10123[2017-12-03 15:13:14] <djancak> i met him in real life and pissed him off
10124[2017-12-03 15:13:18] <djancak> I PISSED OFF TELLER IN REAL LIFE
10125[2017-12-03 15:13:31] <zapster> oh yeah. teller is a dick. 
10126[2017-12-03 15:13:34] <zapster> good for you
10127[2017-12-03 15:13:52] <djancak> i put that shit on my resume
10128[2017-12-03 15:14:04] <zapster> hahaha.. how do people react to that? 
10129[2017-12-03 15:14:16] <djancak> mostly they don't BECAUSE I JUST KEEP MY RESUME TO MYSELF
10130[2017-12-03 15:14:19] <zapster> good way to weed the worst places to work out
10131[2017-12-03 15:14:21] <zapster> oh
10132[2017-12-03 15:14:45] <zapster> if I walk into a place and see religious shit or libertarian stuff on the walls I turn aronud and walk out 
10133[2017-12-03 15:15:05] <djancak> yea kind of hard to do that here in BAMMER
10134[2017-12-03 15:15:10] <djancak> i can't stand football shit either
10135[2017-12-03 15:15:20] <zapster> might as well post 'we're crooked as hell' on the front door
10136[2017-12-03 15:15:27] <humbot> Man City 2 - West Ham 1
10137[2017-12-03 15:15:36] <zapster> man, you need to get the hell outta there. :\
10138[2017-12-03 15:15:48] <djancak> *need to get the hell out of Earth
10139[2017-12-03 15:15:53] <djancak> *existence
10140[2017-12-03 15:16:04] <zapster> there are parts less hellish than that tho 
10141[2017-12-03 15:16:14] <djancak> i want to go be a rock on mars
10142[2017-12-03 15:16:23] <djancak> rocks on mars just bake in the sun and don't give a fuck
10143[2017-12-03 15:16:44] <djancak> meanwhile i have to deal with schizophrenics and psychopaths
10144[2017-12-03 15:16:44] <zapster> when I was a kid, I was sure we'd be colonizing mars by now. that was the big promise
10145[2017-12-03 15:16:52] <zapster> we wuz robbed
10146[2017-12-03 15:17:11] <djancak> damn
10147[2017-12-03 15:17:18] <djancak> we need to suicide mission to mars
10148[2017-12-03 15:17:27] <djancak> we can go down as the first corpses on another planet
10149[2017-12-03 15:17:31] <humbot> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQJORq9VQAAuFes.jpg
10150[2017-12-03 15:17:44] <zapster> nah. we could have done it by now. but the libertards got in there 
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10152[2017-12-03 15:18:10] <zapster> ooh, that's kinda artistic
10153[2017-12-03 15:18:15] <djancak> education needs to be reformed from the ground up
10154[2017-12-03 15:18:34] <djancak> need to strip children from their parents
10155[2017-12-03 15:18:36] <zapster> yeah, with input from real educators instead of corporations 
10156[2017-12-03 15:18:41] <djancak> AND INDOCTRINATE THEM INTO FACTUALITY
10157[2017-12-03 15:18:52] <zapster> meh, that never works 
10158[2017-12-03 15:19:11] <zapster> we don't have enough parents that are 
10159[2017-12-03 15:19:35] <djancak> i want like a massive orphanage that is just like a big open field with all kinds of interesting shit kids can do 
10160[2017-12-03 15:19:47] <djancak> a safe area where they won't be drinking the bleach under the sink or stabbing each others eyes out with sticks
10161[2017-12-03 15:19:55] <djancak> and if the parents really give a damn they can come see them
10162[2017-12-03 15:20:29] <djancak> i wonder how many of our peers are retarded just because they took a blow to the head as children
10163[2017-12-03 15:20:42] <djancak> HAS TO BE A PRETTY HIGH PERCENTAGE
10164[2017-12-03 15:20:47] <zapster> can always count on Dems to act like shits on command: 
10165[2017-12-03 15:20:49] <zapster>  Yet as GOP top brass dismissed concerns about their tax bill’s impact on the national debt, even progressive Democrats framed much of their outrage at the bill in terms of its budgetary impacts.
10166[2017-12-03 15:21:07] <djancak> haha
10167[2017-12-03 15:21:18] <djancak> DON'T NEVER DEFICIT SPEND BY GOLLY
10168[2017-12-03 15:21:19] <zapster> which does nothing but reinforce the republican line 
10169[2017-12-03 15:21:34] <zapster> nobody has ever told these people what a deficit is I guess.
10170[2017-12-03 15:22:00] <djancak> that's because the deficit is the cavity inside their craniums
10171[2017-12-03 15:22:01] <zapster> republicans play them like violins
10172[2017-12-03 15:22:12] <djancak> *like a damn fiddle
10173[2017-12-03 15:22:16] <zapster> yeah, that's the biggest one
10174[2017-12-03 15:22:41] <zapster> oh much more virtuoso than that. it astounds me sometimes how knee-jerk they are 
10175[2017-12-03 15:22:59] <zapster> it's just embarrassing
10176[2017-12-03 15:23:03] <djancak> there's been brain studies on republicans that basically say they're just hyper fearful
10177[2017-12-03 15:23:19] <djancak> like they have fucked up supermutant amygdalas or something
10178[2017-12-03 15:23:26] <zapster> they're also a lot better at organizing and lying 
10179[2017-12-03 15:23:37] <djancak> damn are they really
10180[2017-12-03 15:23:38] <zapster> ocd a lot I guess
10181[2017-12-03 15:24:06] <zapster> yeah. authoritarian regimentation works in their favor politically
10182[2017-12-03 15:24:41] <djancak> you know honestly i don't have anything against authoritarianism SO LONG AS I'M THE AUTHORITY or at least someone with a lick of sense
10183[2017-12-03 15:24:57] <zapster> they respect power more than they empathize with their constituents
10184[2017-12-03 15:25:29] <djancak> make neil degrasse tyson the authority he'll get shit rollin' right
10185[2017-12-03 15:26:01] <zapster> they have sense. it's just not the same sense as we have ;) their sense is that most people are bad, lazy and evil and must be imprisoned, impoverished and preferably disenfranchised
10186[2017-12-03 15:26:16] <zapster> indeed he would
10187[2017-12-03 15:26:58] <djancak> i hate the word 'lazy'
10188[2017-12-03 15:27:04] <djancak> lazy is a lazy way of saying BROKEN
10189[2017-12-03 15:27:14] <zapster> yeah. it really doesn't apply to anyone real 
10190[2017-12-03 15:27:27] <djancak> nobody who feels good with any amount of energy is going to just slouch around
10191[2017-12-03 15:27:34] <djancak> they might do stupid unproductive stuff
10192[2017-12-03 15:27:38] <djancak> but they'd be active
10193[2017-12-03 15:27:54] <zapster> exactly. everyone has stuff they want to do and most lack the resources or time to do it 
10194[2017-12-03 15:28:32] <djancak> and in the USA thanks to the way we do healthcare there's more people who are just fucking SICK and not able to do things
10195[2017-12-03 15:28:37] <djancak> but they're just LAZY
10196[2017-12-03 15:28:44] <zapster> see, this is just plain wrong: 
10197[2017-12-03 15:28:46] <zapster> Pelosi commented that, under the GOP tax plan, “future generations will pay more because the deficit will explode.” 
10198[2017-12-03 15:28:53] <djancak> LAZY BUMS JUST SITTING AROUND BEING A BURDEN ON MY!!!! tax DOOLARS
10199[2017-12-03 15:28:57] <zapster> yet it's embedded in DC, especially on the dem side
10200[2017-12-03 15:29:26] <djancak> yea i mean future generations WILL pay more the only question is WHO PAYS it
10201[2017-12-03 15:29:35] <zapster> and that's the other big fallacy. their tax dollars don't pay for anybody, lazy or not
10202[2017-12-03 15:29:36] <zapster> lol
10203[2017-12-03 15:29:39] <djancak> and there's plenty of ways to pay that shit without fucking over the people who actually produce the value of the dollar
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10205[2017-12-03 15:30:14] <zapster> htis is where the narrative needs to be changed. the deficit funds the economy, and their tax dollars don't go to anyone.
10206[2017-12-03 15:30:15] <djancak> IE print the money or just tax the parasites to hades and back
10207[2017-12-03 15:30:30] <HowYouDoin> fixed
10208[2017-12-03 15:30:36] <djancak> thanks HowYouDoin 
10209[2017-12-03 15:30:48] — djancak wraps the Medal of Honor around HowYouDoin's neck
10210[2017-12-03 15:30:52] <zapster> yeah. start with printing so the rich have no reason to fight it so hard. 
10211[2017-12-03 15:31:05] <zapster> then when the people have more security we can go after the rich with the taxes 
10212[2017-12-03 15:31:25] <zapster> pull it tight
10213[2017-12-03 15:31:31] <zapster> snug it right up there
10214[2017-12-03 15:31:42] <djancak> but muh zimbabwe
10215[2017-12-03 15:31:57] <zapster> we don't have a failed state. 
10216[2017-12-03 15:31:59] <zapster> yet. 
10217[2017-12-03 15:32:02] <zapster> lol
10218[2017-12-03 15:32:28] <zapster> if we don't start investing in this generation tho, we could very well see supply collapse in the future
10219[2017-12-03 15:32:45] <zapster> won't have enough doctors and lawyers and suppliers because we aren't training them now 
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10222[2017-12-03 15:33:21] <zapster> there is a ramp-up curve when you start spending. 
10223[2017-12-03 15:33:40] <zapster> 10 more years and we'll have to import all the trained professionals from socialist countries 
10224[2017-12-03 15:34:20] — HowYouDoin kisses truffs on the cheek
10225[2017-12-03 15:34:50] <humbot> gonna take a look at this super moon before bed
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10235[2017-12-03 15:36:39] <zapster> The standard line — from the White House and congressional GOP alike — was that the economic growth tax cuts on the wealthy would bring about would somehow balance out any deficit spending, mostly by referring back to a skeleton crew of 137 economists to back up their claims, several of whom are either in-house economists for major banks and corporations, not economists at all or — possibly — dead.
10236[2017-12-03 15:36:40] <nomic> fking shit film this
10237[2017-12-03 15:36:45] <nomic> "6 days"
10238[2017-12-03 15:37:05] <nomic> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_Days_(2017_film)
10239[2017-12-03 15:37:06] <rabble_bot> ^ 6 Days (2017 film) - Wikipedia
10240[2017-12-03 15:37:06] <nomic> boring
10241[2017-12-03 15:37:23] <zapster> and the rest are standard mainstream neoliberals
10242[2017-12-03 15:37:27] <nomic> is propaganda
10243[2017-12-03 15:37:32] <nomic> propaganda is always boring
10244[2017-12-03 15:37:56] <zapster> and we know from both research and recent history that tax cuts on the rich do no such thing, and we even know why. 
10245[2017-12-03 15:38:05] <zapster> but lalalalala... 
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10248[2017-12-03 15:38:51] <zapster> But Democrats were under no obligation to continue aping wrongheaded Republican talking points about federal budgets. Monstrous as it is, the passage of the tax bill does present an opportunity for them to finally do away with the bizarre neoliberal orthodoxy they’ve swallowed about how and when governments should spend money.
10249[2017-12-03 15:38:54] <zapster> but nope. 
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10252[2017-12-03 15:39:32] <zapster> It’s not that deficits don’t matter. The important thing isn’t that money is spent, but how and where it gets spent. Historically, deficit spending has been intended to place the economy as a whole on a stronger footing by putting more money in people’s pockets that they’ll then spend. 
10253[2017-12-03 15:39:41] <zapster> how the world did it until the 70s
10254[2017-12-03 15:39:53] ← HowYouDoin left (email@unaffiliated/bazinga/x-2527997): 
10255[2017-12-03 15:40:06] <zapster> Usually that’s accomplished either by putting people back to work directly when unemployment is high, as in the Great Depression, or writing checks, as in the post–financial crisis stimulus.
10256[2017-12-03 15:40:55] <zapster> “They’re already consuming everything they could possibly want to consume,” former Senate Budget Committee chief economist Stephanie Kelton told MarketWatch of the people who will overwhelmingly benefit from the tax bill. 
10257[2017-12-03 15:41:09] <zapster> and keeping the money out of the hands of everyone that would spend it
10258[2017-12-03 15:41:22] <nomic> film is 2017
10259[2017-12-03 15:41:23] <nomic> hmm
10260[2017-12-03 15:41:28] <nomic> PROPAGANDA
10261[2017-12-03 15:41:34] <zapster> yeah, probably
10262[2017-12-03 15:41:43] <zapster> commissioned by the pentagon lol 
10263[2017-12-03 15:42:24] <djancak> do the ole keynes idea and just bury the money in the ground and make people dig it up
10264[2017-12-03 15:42:32] <mouses> i've got my propaganda, i've got revisionism!
10265[2017-12-03 15:42:52] <coffeeguy> man i wish i'd bought bitcoin
10266[2017-12-03 15:42:52] <djancak> this is MY propaganda. there are many like it but this one is MINE
10267[2017-12-03 15:43:08] <djancak> do you wish you were a rich person so you could buy bitcoin and become even richer
10268[2017-12-03 15:43:22] <zapster> hm, not much of a storyline there
10269[2017-12-03 15:43:24] <coffeeguy> this is propaganda this is my news , this is for fighting this is fun
10270[2017-12-03 15:43:33] <coffeeguy> for fun*
10271[2017-12-03 15:43:35] <djancak> *foos
10272[2017-12-03 15:43:40] <djancak> the news is for foos
10273[2017-12-03 15:43:43] <djancak> i pity da foo
10274[2017-12-03 15:43:46] <zapster> I would start a worker co-op :)
10275[2017-12-03 15:44:00] <djancak> lol look at you trying to actually be a productive member of the economy
10276[2017-12-03 15:44:01] <djancak> how naive
10277[2017-12-03 15:44:09] <djancak> don't you know ownership is how wealth is made
10278[2017-12-03 15:44:30] <zapster> nope
10279[2017-12-03 15:44:33] <zapster> :)
10280[2017-12-03 15:44:41] <coffeeguy> moriaty check.. "bitcoin"
10281[2017-12-03 15:44:49] <zapster> if you already own it, why make it? :)
10282[2017-12-03 15:45:02] <djancak> you make other people make it 
10283[2017-12-03 15:45:10] <coffeeguy> like apple
10284[2017-12-03 15:45:11] <djancak> so you give them back the scraps of the bounty they make for you
10285[2017-12-03 15:45:40] <zapster> yeah, and eventually they stop making it because they get tired and sick and die 'n chit
10286[2017-12-03 15:45:42] <coffeeguy> hey zapster how's it going?
10287[2017-12-03 15:46:41] <coffeeguy> mah freedoms to enjoy metiocraty
10288[2017-12-03 15:46:44] <normalperson> hmm, funny got banned from ##feminism when my HDD crashed after the communists decided to have a go at me out of the blue
10289[2017-12-03 15:46:58] <normalperson> freenode is done, communist OPs, communists all over the place
10290[2017-12-03 15:47:16] <zapster> you wouldn't know a communist if it handed you a business card 
10291[2017-12-03 15:47:24] <coffeeguy> naw that's what they want you to think, the ubuntu society model is hardly communist
10292[2017-12-03 15:47:46] <coffeeguy> it's like communism but differs
10293[2017-12-03 15:47:57] <zapster> educational video. there'll be a quiz on it in the morning, kids: https://www.c-span.org/video/?436033-1/hollywood-blacklist-70th-commemoration
10294[2017-12-03 15:48:00] <rabble_bot> ^ Hollywood Blacklist 70th Commemoration, Oct 27 2017 | Video | C-SPAN.org
10295[2017-12-03 15:48:02] <normalperson> well, they seemed in cahoots with authority (freenode moderator), that is the sign of the communist
10296[2017-12-03 15:48:13] <coffeeguy> i don't think the ubuntu os can claim ubuntu society anymore
10297[2017-12-03 15:48:22] <zapster> that's the sign of the capitalist, especially banksters 
10298[2017-12-03 15:48:27] <zapster> see? you got it all wrong
10299[2017-12-03 15:48:40] <normalperson> -provocation for no reason, -implying that to be feminist you must be communist
10300[2017-12-03 15:48:57] <normalperson> deconstruction of perfectly valid arguments when I was the only one making rational arguments
10301[2017-12-03 15:49:04] <coffeeguy> wouldn't a true feminist be a corporate ceo?
10302[2017-12-03 15:49:43] <coffeeguy> well it is ##feminism you didn't expect rational did you
10303[2017-12-03 15:49:55] <normalperson> - they had to have a random HDD crash to ban me because they had no reason otherwise
10304[2017-12-03 15:50:12] <normalperson> feminism and communism in a nutshell
10305[2017-12-03 15:50:21] <coffeeguy> there there
10306[2017-12-03 15:50:32] <normalperson> but the freenode operators being in on it, the freenode operators are in on it
10307[2017-12-03 15:50:40] <coffeeguy> naw
10308[2017-12-03 15:50:42] <zapster> ROFL. Knowing you, you're making it all up. :)
10309[2017-12-03 15:51:16] <coffeeguy> freenode is full of coders who have legitimate jobs in the corporate would dude
10310[2017-12-03 15:51:28] <normalperson> coffeeguy: this is false
10311[2017-12-03 15:51:32] <coffeeguy> it is true
10312[2017-12-03 15:51:38] <normalperson> I have only met 16 year old children of sorts with low competence and skills
10313[2017-12-03 15:51:40] <coffeeguy> how do you think they make a living
10314[2017-12-03 15:51:54] <normalperson> hey I'm homeless and I live at a vacation resort
10315[2017-12-03 15:51:54] <coffeeguy> stop hanging in double hashtag channels
10316[2017-12-03 15:52:08] <zapster> https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/937245006330347520
10317[2017-12-03 15:52:10] <rabble_bot> ^ The Spectator Index on Twitter: "Prisoners per 100,000 people.US: 693Russia: 450Brazil: 307South Africa: 292Iran: 287Israel: 265Turkey: 238Mexico: 204Australia: 16… https://t.co/Ne7dRGuoMO"
10318[2017-12-03 15:52:15] <zeroto100> Isn't being homeless awesome
10319[2017-12-03 15:52:22] <zeroto100> Can I come to the resort
10320[2017-12-03 15:52:23] <zapster> if you were competent, you'd have employment 
10321[2017-12-03 15:52:28] <zeroto100> Is it warm
10322[2017-12-03 15:52:36] <coffeeguy> i don't like poo poo smell, i gotta have running water
10323[2017-12-03 15:52:42] <RcHaCk> normalperson what resort is this ?
10324[2017-12-03 15:52:48] <zeroto100> Why is that zap oped who did she ban
10325[2017-12-03 15:52:50] <normalperson> RcHaCk: one for vacation
10326[2017-12-03 15:52:57] <zeroto100> I have a flushable toilet
10327[2017-12-03 15:53:06] <RcHaCk> yes but who vacations at a resort in sweden during winter?
10328[2017-12-03 15:53:08] <coffeeguy> chem toliets ? ugh
10329[2017-12-03 15:53:08] <zeroto100> LOL Millennials homeless on vacation
10330[2017-12-03 15:53:18] <zeroto100> What's wrong with my toilet
10331[2017-12-03 15:53:20] <zapster> ROFLMAO: https://twitter.com/DGComedy/status/937146614338252800
10332[2017-12-03 15:53:21] <rabble_bot> ^ Dana Goldberg on Twitter: "Alex Jones said that lesbians are torturing women and eating their brains.Ummmmm...Alex? That’s notWhatWeEat."
10333[2017-12-03 15:53:35] <zeroto100> Sounds gay I'm in
10334[2017-12-03 15:53:45] <coffeeguy> dayum Alex has smoked too much meth this time
10335[2017-12-03 15:53:47] <zapster> should see the layout in the original :)
10336[2017-12-03 15:54:07] <zeroto100> He can't smoke meth he's so fat
10337[2017-12-03 15:54:23] <coffeeguy> he eat's A lot
10338[2017-12-03 15:54:41] <coffeeguy> pipe in one hand and mcburger in the other
10339[2017-12-03 15:55:02] <zapster> https://twitter.com/MichaelSLinden/status/937398480741568512
10340[2017-12-03 15:55:03] <rabble_bot> ^ Michael Linden on Twitter: "BTW, this rally against the #GOPTaxScamBill is taking place in a county that @SenToomey won by 10 points. https://t.co/I3siis0omy"
10341[2017-12-03 15:55:05] <coffeeguy> really though those yelling rages are either meth or steroids
10342[2017-12-03 15:55:13] <zeroto100> I hang out at McDonald's a lot since in their parking lots and key and it fascinates me that people still eat at McDonald's didn't the documentary come out like 15 years ago
10343[2017-12-03 15:55:36] <coffeeguy> how do you chat in here?
10344[2017-12-03 15:55:37] <zeroto100> Like a lot of people eat at McDonald's
10345[2017-12-03 15:55:43] <zeroto100> Push to talk
10346[2017-12-03 15:55:51] <coffeeguy> smart phone?
10347[2017-12-03 15:55:59] <zeroto100> I don't like you enough like to correct typos
10348[2017-12-03 15:56:10] <zeroto100> Android and I lost my voice probably because I found my lost cat and I was yelling Dylan's home Dylan's home
10349[2017-12-03 15:56:20] <coffeeguy> lolol
10350[2017-12-03 15:56:21] <zeroto100> And I'm also slightly or sick because it's 40 degrees in Portland for about 6 months out of the year
10351[2017-12-03 15:56:32] <coffeeguy> geezus dude
10352[2017-12-03 15:56:43] <coffeeguy> that's a hell of a place to homeless
10353[2017-12-03 15:56:49] <coffeeguy> cold af
10354[2017-12-03 15:56:52] <zeroto100> I like the notifications I get from the weather app on my phone that says rain will continue and then a couple hours later it will send me a notification that says rain will continue
10355[2017-12-03 15:57:04] <zeroto100> I know I need to go back to San Francisco but I would like to stick it out until Christmas
10356[2017-12-03 15:57:10] <zeroto100> I don't know if I will
10357[2017-12-03 15:57:38] <coffeeguy> seriously go to the bay area, let them put you in housing get a yob and have a home
10358[2017-12-03 15:57:50] <zeroto100> If I wanted house thing I would live in a house
10359[2017-12-03 15:57:58] <zapster> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/937403462375084035
10360[2017-12-03 15:58:00] <rabble_bot> ^ Pass-Through Yglesias on Twitter: "The most telling anecdote in this article is the dentist who says he thinks he *is* going to benefit thanks to the pass-through provision bu… https://t.co/X7oT32ANJz"
10361[2017-12-03 15:58:02] <zeroto100> I also have a job and I have a home maybe you should work on your assumptions of people
10362[2017-12-03 15:58:30] <zeroto100> The other homeless guy is in a resort what the fuck are you doing LOL
10363[2017-12-03 15:58:32] <coffeeguy> wait you said you were homeless right or... is this a vacation deal lol
10364[2017-12-03 15:58:46] <zeroto100> I live in my van I'm traveling the West Coast
10365[2017-12-03 15:58:59] <zeroto100> I couldn't imagine living in one place right now I have plans for next year
10366[2017-12-03 15:59:07] <coffeeguy> sounds like hell
10367[2017-12-03 15:59:09] <zapster> he needs to work on not trolling people 
10368[2017-12-03 15:59:13] <zapster> and get a job
10369[2017-12-03 15:59:20] <zeroto100> Oh I didn't know coffee guy is a troll he doesn't have a job is he projecting
10370[2017-12-03 15:59:27] <zeroto100> That's kind of funny are you bringing me down because you feel bad about yourself
10371[2017-12-03 15:59:27] <zapster> no, the other troll 
10372[2017-12-03 15:59:34] <coffeeguy> ?
10373[2017-12-03 15:59:37] <zeroto100> How many are there
10374[2017-12-03 15:59:47] <coffeeguy> counting you.. one
10375[2017-12-03 15:59:49] <zapster> I don't have coffee guy ignored. lol
10376[2017-12-03 15:59:55] <coffeeguy> yay
10377[2017-12-03 16:00:04] <zeroto100> It's true I have an addiction to out trolling trolls
10378[2017-12-03 16:00:16] <zapster> go for it :)
10379[2017-12-03 16:00:23] <zeroto100> At this point I just say I invented trolling 15 years ago and they need to soak my clitoris
10380[2017-12-03 16:00:32] <zapster> lol
10381[2017-12-03 16:00:35] <coffeeguy> O_o
10382[2017-12-03 16:00:42] <zeroto100> I think I have one ignore whoever you're talking about cuz I only see zap and coffee talking
10383[2017-12-03 16:01:01] <zeroto100> I have Lamont God dick and Ted on ignore
10384[2017-12-03 16:01:01] <zapster> ok, maybe I assumed there was another one talking that I wasn't seeing
10385[2017-12-03 16:01:08] <zapster> carry on then
10386[2017-12-03 16:01:14] <zeroto100> God dick sounds familiar
10387[2017-12-03 16:01:22] <zeroto100> Who is that he's from EF net
10388[2017-12-03 16:01:32] <zapster> he's lvl. generally a nice guy
10389[2017-12-03 16:01:37] <coffeeguy> anyhoo so you're not homeless you're on symbatico kk got it
10390[2017-12-03 16:01:41] <zapster> recently had a bad accident tho that affected his memory
10391[2017-12-03 16:01:42] <zeroto100> I sincerely doubt it if I have him on ignore
10392[2017-12-03 16:02:22] <zeroto100> He's from EF net
10393[2017-12-03 16:02:26] <zapster> goddick is the nice guy unless he and raijin are heckling each other ;)
10394[2017-12-03 16:02:47] <zeroto100> They're all trolls and you're the enabler
10395[2017-12-03 16:02:47] <coffeeguy> why all the trolls in here?
10396[2017-12-03 16:02:59] <zapster> I'm working on clearing 'em out 
10397[2017-12-03 16:03:06] <zapster> has gotten a lil' outta hand
10398[2017-12-03 16:03:18] <zeroto100> I see you got your ad suit on
10399[2017-12-03 16:03:19] — coffeeguy puts on his good behavoir cap
10400[2017-12-03 16:03:30] <zeroto100> Okay I have to drive now
10401[2017-12-03 16:03:33] — zapster pours another coffee for him
10402[2017-12-03 16:03:41] <zapster> ok, be careful out there
10403[2017-12-03 16:04:01] <coffeeguy> yah try not to sow too much disharmony
10404[2017-12-03 16:04:12] <zeroto100> I'm in Oregon I don't think crime happens here unless somebody is on my everybody's so nice people don't even speed
10405[2017-12-03 16:04:13] <zapster> or run into any deer or pedestrians
10406[2017-12-03 16:04:19] <zeroto100> Is on meth
10407[2017-12-03 16:04:24] <zeroto100> Yo there is a lot of deer
10408[2017-12-03 16:04:32] <zapster> had a kamikaze deer wake me up last night 
10409[2017-12-03 16:05:13] <coffeeguy> ugh not a good way to see one
10410[2017-12-03 16:05:27] <zeroto100> Where does coffee guy live
10411[2017-12-03 16:05:35] <coffeeguy> used to have a deer sleep under my mobile home, that was interesting
10412[2017-12-03 16:05:47] <coffeeguy> da moon
10413[2017-12-03 16:05:52] <humbot> yup
10414[2017-12-03 16:06:03] <humbot> got the binoculars out
10415[2017-12-03 16:06:14] <coffeeguy> green cheese.. all i could want
10416[2017-12-03 16:06:55] <zapster> wow neat
10417[2017-12-03 16:06:59] <coffeeguy> lol
10418[2017-12-03 16:07:09] <zapster> had a doe raise a pair of fawns in my backyard once
10419[2017-12-03 16:07:13] <coffeeguy> yah the antlers would hit the floor
10420[2017-12-03 16:07:23] <coffeeguy> neat
10421[2017-12-03 16:07:26] <zapster> lol. my ceiling has chipmunks
10422[2017-12-03 16:07:35] <coffeeguy> chipmunks are cute
10423[2017-12-03 16:07:38] <humbot> i can't understand how the edges seem so bright when they should be reflecting most light away from us
10424[2017-12-03 16:07:43] <zapster> I finally found where they're getting in, but I don't want to kick them out in the dead of winter
10425[2017-12-03 16:08:04] <zapster> so I'll stick a one way exit trap on it in the spring and fill the hole
10426[2017-12-03 16:08:04] <coffeeguy> Alvin!!!!
10427[2017-12-03 16:08:04] <humbot> maybe its just a disk
10428[2017-12-03 16:08:21] <zapster> lol! oh yeah
10429[2017-12-03 16:08:36] <zapster> they are really cute. except when they eat my flower seedlings :(
10430[2017-12-03 16:08:44] <coffeeguy> hehe :(
10431[2017-12-03 16:09:01] <coffeeguy> we had a rat but i had to dispatch him
10432[2017-12-03 16:09:06] <coffeeguy> in the attic
10433[2017-12-03 16:09:18] <zapster> in the fall they start trying to move in. leave a door open and find one inside a bit later. and you can't chase them out, they're just too quick and small. 
10434[2017-12-03 16:09:22] <coffeeguy> unfortunately they carry diease
10435[2017-12-03 16:09:38] <zapster> so I ended up putting a big pile of corn outside the door to persuade them to stay out there lol 
10436[2017-12-03 16:09:50] <humbot> Ein biologische Uhr
10437[2017-12-03 16:09:52] <coffeeguy> disease 
10438[2017-12-03 16:09:55] <zapster> yeah, can't let rats hang out. 
10439[2017-12-03 16:10:01] <nomic> im gonna get coffe.
10440[2017-12-03 16:10:05] <nomic> cofefe
10441[2017-12-03 16:10:10] <zapster> covfefe
10442[2017-12-03 16:10:11] <coffeeguy> covefef
10443[2017-12-03 16:10:17] <coffeeguy> ooh right
10444[2017-12-03 16:10:20] <coffeeguy> covfefe
10445[2017-12-03 16:10:21] <nomic> that was the funniest .. trump = alzheimers
10446[2017-12-03 16:10:34] <nomic> middle of a converation covfefe (stops) .. HE WILL NOT IMPROVE
10447[2017-12-03 16:10:40] <coffeeguy> yup large and in charge
10448[2017-12-03 16:10:44] <zapster> I've read rumors that his staff think so. unverified, however
10449[2017-12-03 16:11:09] <coffeeguy> when is march? you know the Ides
10450[2017-12-03 16:11:21] <coffeeguy> in 4 months 3?
10451[2017-12-03 16:12:00] <zapster> https://twitter.com/historianspeaks/status/937342287604080640
10452[2017-12-03 16:12:01] <rabble_bot> ^ Stephen G. Hall, PhD on Twitter: "Meet the Black Architect Who Designed Duke University 37 Years Before He Could Have Attended It https://t.co/DrlVKX3kgP"
10453[2017-12-03 16:12:08] <zapster> march 15th about 
10454[2017-12-03 16:13:02] <coffeeguy> think trump might find out alot about history specifically czeazar
10455[2017-12-03 16:13:05] <zapster> https://twitter.com/SenatorTester/status/936748480000921600 <-- tester is quite annoyed
10456[2017-12-03 16:13:06] <rabble_bot> ^ Senator Jon Tester on Twitter: "I was just handed a 479-page tax bill a few hours before the vote. One page literally has hand scribbled policy changes on it that can’t be… https://t.co/JdMIEfWZgj"
10457[2017-12-03 16:14:06] <coffeeguy> that can't be good
10458[2017-12-03 16:15:09] <coffeeguy> geez are 'we the people' going to get a hosing?
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10460[2017-12-03 16:15:18] <nomic> Trump's McDonald's binges and screaming fits revealed in new book  Typical order: two Big Macs, two Filet-O-Fishes and a chocolate milkshake https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/03/trump-mcdonalds-binges-screaming-fits-book-lewandowski-bossie
10461[2017-12-03 16:15:19] <rabble_bot> ^ Trump's McDonald's binges and screaming fits revealed in new book | US news | The Guardian
10462[2017-12-03 16:15:38] <zapster> oh yes. that bill will raise taxes on at least 2/3 of us to give breaks to the rich 
10463[2017-12-03 16:15:47] <coffeeguy> :(
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10465[2017-12-03 16:15:52] <zapster> and it's full of monstrosities that will be much worse than that 
10466[2017-12-03 16:16:20] <coffeeguy> did they ever let students write off their debt?
10467[2017-12-03 16:16:44] <zapster> oh no
10468[2017-12-03 16:16:46] <zapster> https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/937124575481155584
10469[2017-12-03 16:16:47] <rabble_bot> ^ sean. 🎅🏽 on Twitter: "Orrin Hatch claims we don't have enough money to pay for children to have healthcare. CHIP would cost 1% of the GOP tax bill he voted for.… https://t.co/1rTQB4kcbY"
10470[2017-12-03 16:16:50] <coffeeguy> figures
10471[2017-12-03 16:16:53] <zapster> and they let CHIP expire
10472[2017-12-03 16:17:04] <zapster> medical care for disabled children
10473[2017-12-03 16:17:16] <coffeeguy> that's heartless
10474[2017-12-03 16:17:29] <zapster> republicans run to sociopath
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10477[2017-12-03 16:18:51] <humbot> john oliver bought $12M of bad debt and wrote it off
10478[2017-12-03 16:19:07] <zapster> I remember that. there was a group doing that from occupy too 
10479[2017-12-03 16:19:10] <coffeeguy> that's really nice of him
10480[2017-12-03 16:19:16] <zapster> but it's a drop in he avalanche
10481[2017-12-03 16:19:22] <humbot> only cost $60k
10482[2017-12-03 16:19:32] <djancak> here's a better idea, buy a knife and STAB STAB STAB STAB!!! STAB THE DEBT COLLECTORS!!
10483[2017-12-03 16:19:56] <zapster> I've seen hospitals send bills to collection before they got done dealing with the insurance company :\
10484[2017-12-03 16:19:58] <coffeeguy> mlk had the right idea, peaceful protesting
10485[2017-12-03 16:20:01] <humbot> some states don't have any kind of licenses
10486[2017-12-03 16:20:17] <djancak> malcolm x had an even better idea
10487[2017-12-03 16:20:36] <zapster> stab those indian call center collectors through the PHONE! 
10488[2017-12-03 16:20:37] <djancak> THE SHIV! THE SHANK!!!
10489[2017-12-03 16:20:44] <coffeeguy> :(
10490[2017-12-03 16:20:47] <djancak> STAB THEIR PHONE LINES
10491[2017-12-03 16:20:58] <zapster> they tend to keep their distance these days 
10492[2017-12-03 16:21:02] <zapster> just garnishee you instead
10493[2017-12-03 16:21:04] <coffeeguy> wow brillant way to end up in prison
10494[2017-12-03 16:21:13] <djancak> STAB THE PRISONS
10495[2017-12-03 16:21:25] <coffeeguy> djancak med time?
10496[2017-12-03 16:21:31] <djancak> damn actually it is
10497[2017-12-03 16:22:10] <zapster> ok, this is prgress. robot lap dancers: https://twitter.com/Namastaywoke/status/937129871368744960
10498[2017-12-03 16:22:11] <rabble_bot> ^ whomst'veatlantavegas on Twitter: "Them robots comin for EVERYBODY job https://t.co/sHYVt88Zta"
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10501[2017-12-03 16:22:19] <humbot> jail riot in Kent today
10502[2017-12-03 16:23:06] <LyliaWisteria> excellent
10503[2017-12-03 16:23:07] <djancak> them kent boys know to stab the prison
10504[2017-12-03 16:23:51] <zapster> The Senate passed the tax bill last night. Here’s what was in it: - Anti-abortion law stating that conception is life - Defund Obamacare - Allow churches to make political endorsements - Cut $400 billion from Medicare - Private jet tax break - Adds $1 trillion to the deficit
10505[2017-12-03 16:23:58] <zapster> and that trillion all goes to the rich 
10506[2017-12-03 16:24:28] <djancak> zapster you're just upset because you're not rich DUHHH DUUUHH
10507[2017-12-03 16:24:35] <djancak> stop being JEALOUS!!!!!!!!!
10508[2017-12-03 16:24:35] <zapster> takes away a lot of tax breaks ad credits from the middle class too
10509[2017-12-03 16:24:38] <zapster> no.
10510[2017-12-03 16:24:41] <zapster> thank you. 
10511[2017-12-03 16:24:57] <LyliaWisteria> time to stock up on anti-aircraft weapons
10512[2017-12-03 16:25:08] <djancak> time to be peaceful some more and see if it works this time
10513[2017-12-03 16:25:22] <djancak> maybe if we march around they'll take us seriously ROFL
10514[2017-12-03 16:25:22] <zapster> need to be peaceful in bigger crowds. 
10515[2017-12-03 16:25:28] <djancak> yea that's a joke right
10516[2017-12-03 16:25:38] <zapster> until the crowds are too big for the tanks and guns they've got
10517[2017-12-03 16:25:53] <djancak> go take over tsarist russia peaceful 
10518[2017-12-03 16:25:56] <JamGobbar> theres no crowd to big for a nuclear bomb
10519[2017-12-03 16:26:00] <djancak> haha
10520[2017-12-03 16:26:04] <nomic> z.
10521[2017-12-03 16:26:13] <zapster> sure. but if they do that they also take out the GOP ;)
10522[2017-12-03 16:26:28] <djancak> how would they be taking out the GOP
10523[2017-12-03 16:26:39] <djancak> the GOP has power because of all the ignorant fucks who don't care about the issues
10524[2017-12-03 16:26:43] <djancak> they wouldn't be the people in the crowd
10525[2017-12-03 16:26:50] <zapster> the big crowd would be surrounding congress :)
10526[2017-12-03 16:26:58] <zapster> V style ;)
10527[2017-12-03 16:26:58] <coffeeguy> omg that's so good, a glass of cold water on a partched throat :D
10528[2017-12-03 16:27:08] <xau> greetings, djancak.  I'm delighted to see you.
10529[2017-12-03 16:27:09] <djancak> should be inside it identifying the criminals and tying them up
10530[2017-12-03 16:27:28] <djancak> sup xau are you a lojbanic cmavo or what
10531[2017-12-03 16:27:28] <zapster> we know who they are. nearly everyone but bernie. 
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10533[2017-12-03 16:27:46] <djancak> warren still gets a pass
10534[2017-12-03 16:27:48] <LyliaWisteria> Bernie is one of them too
10535[2017-12-03 16:28:15] <djancak> xau, i apologize for calling you a cmavo. you're a rafsi
10536[2017-12-03 16:28:32] <djancak> why is bernie one of them
10537[2017-12-03 16:28:37] <djancak> because he doesn't approve of BDS
10538[2017-12-03 16:28:42] <LyliaWisteria> because he's only a reformist
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10540[2017-12-03 16:29:01] <djancak> i mean he's what he thinks he can get away with being
10541[2017-12-03 16:29:20] <djancak> i like to imagine in his head he'd like to see all the capitalists carted into the streets
10542[2017-12-03 16:29:54] <xau> I have been conducting regular exercises in meditation, djancak, so as to read sense in Jabberwocky, en clair.
10543[2017-12-03 16:29:58] <xau> It's a work in progress.
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10545[2017-12-03 16:30:15] <zapster> Bernie brought the grassroots out of the woodwork tho. Protest is growing, and the Dem Socialists are gaining hordes of new members. Donations to the DNC have dropped like a rock. 
10546[2017-12-03 16:30:37] <zapster> Bernie's political movement got a lot of progressives elected recently too.
10547[2017-12-03 16:30:55] <djancak> nowhere near enough and not soon enough
10548[2017-12-03 16:30:58] <zapster> He normalized the term socialist
10549[2017-12-03 16:31:23] <LyliaWisteria> except he's not a socialist. he's a social democrat.
10550[2017-12-03 16:31:40] <djancak> he's a moderate
10551[2017-12-03 16:31:42] <zapster> well, political movements grow out of critical mass. He served as a focal point by repeating his platform over and over and over and over, ignoring all the distractions both parties were throwing at him. 
10552[2017-12-03 16:31:58] <zapster> it really was revolutionary. no one had done *that* since FDR
10553[2017-12-03 16:32:09] <djancak> well one thing that really pissed me off about sanders is he didn't focus at all on fixing the broken election process
10554[2017-12-03 16:32:16] <djancak> that's one big reason why i liked stein
10555[2017-12-03 16:32:40] <zapster> yeah, and everyone is still treating it like a third rail 
10556[2017-12-03 16:33:09] <LyliaWisteria> Jill Stein was promoting anti-vaxxer nonsense
10557[2017-12-03 16:33:17] <djancak> i mean most people want a viable third party surely you'd think they'd understand it's hardly a third rail issue
10558[2017-12-03 16:33:20] <zapster> in the past the GOP flooded the media with "sore loser" shit--was.. hm.. Kerry? that tried for a recount and got that 
10559[2017-12-03 16:33:30] <djancak> gore
10560[2017-12-03 16:33:34] <zapster> and we saw a lot of it still with jill stein's recount
10561[2017-12-03 16:33:34] <zapster> k
10562[2017-12-03 16:33:43] <djancak> kerry didn't even try as i recall
10563[2017-12-03 16:33:51] <djancak> in fact as i recall he gave up way sooner than he should have
10564[2017-12-03 16:33:59] <djancak> he basically just threw it to bush in my memory
10565[2017-12-03 16:34:00] — LyliaWisteria rearranges some deck chairs on the Titanic
10566[2017-12-03 16:34:04] <zapster> and it was astounding how many normal people took up the cry. like verifying an election is some sort of terrorism 
10567[2017-12-03 16:34:07] <djancak> his skull and bones buddy
10568[2017-12-03 16:34:15] <zapster> the propanda is so terrifyingly effective now 
10569[2017-12-03 16:34:27] <djancak> haha god i wanted to gnash and gnaw the idiots bitching about stein's recount
10570[2017-12-03 16:34:40] <zapster> yeah, that was just incomprehensible
10571[2017-12-03 16:34:49] <zapster> why the hell not? yknow? 
10572[2017-12-03 16:34:50] <djancak> fucking mock someone for listening to people who actually understand basic red flags of election fraud
10573[2017-12-03 16:35:11] <zapster> when we have long been known as having the shittiest system on earth 
10574[2017-12-03 16:35:56] <humbot> a delicious soft cross into the box
10575[2017-12-03 16:36:18] <zapster> this is why I really resent when the left blames people for 'voting for' these people. because there's a really, really strong chance that they very probably DIDN'T. 
10576[2017-12-03 16:36:37] <xau> is that marking a ballot, humbot?  Or football?
10577[2017-12-03 16:36:57] <djancak> i had someone get mad at me for saying i supported jill stein and they couldn't articulate any reason why THEY JUST SAID CLINTON IS BETTER
10578[2017-12-03 16:37:05] <djancak> lol allow people like that to vote
10579[2017-12-03 16:37:13] <zapster> tweet threads full of people going "well I live where XXXX lives and nobody I know voted for him" 
10580[2017-12-03 16:37:14] <zapster> lol 
10581[2017-12-03 16:37:16] <humbot> heehee
10582[2017-12-03 16:37:18] <LyliaWisteria> "if you vote one more time, Charlie Brown, real change will happen!" -Lucy, holding the football
10583[2017-12-03 16:37:28] <djancak> haha yea
10584[2017-12-03 16:37:34] <xau> You've long been under appreciated, djancak.
10585[2017-12-03 16:37:35] <djancak> just gotta have FAITH
10586[2017-12-03 16:37:40] <djancak> have i for real xau
10587[2017-12-03 16:37:43] <zapster> indeed, I saw that cartoon too lol
10588[2017-12-03 16:38:55] <zapster> LOL: https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob1/status/937452773339168769
10589[2017-12-03 16:38:56] <rabble_bot> ^ You Had One Job on Twitter: "Pickpocket level: Expert. https://t.co/kjWotdTpSB"
10590[2017-12-03 16:39:37] <zapster> https://twitter.com/RichardRubinDC/status/937445094306844674
10591[2017-12-03 16:39:38] <rabble_bot> ^ Richard Rubin on Twitter: "The Senate loves the research tax credit. The Senate may have just largely repealed the research tax credit in the middle of the night.… https://t.co/Hz810Rfa33"
10592[2017-12-03 16:39:45] <zapster> 'cause they didn't read the bill? 
10593[2017-12-03 16:40:18] <zapster> https://www.rt.com/op-edge/411814-abc-flynn-fake-news/
10594[2017-12-03 16:40:18] <rabble_bot> ^ ABC’s error on Trump-Russia investigation is why public faith in media is at rock bottom — RT Op-Edge
10595[2017-12-03 16:40:46] <djancak> rock bottom carpets is the place to go quality discount carpet store
10596[2017-12-03 16:40:48] <LyliaWisteria> you trust RT when it comes to anything to do with Russia?
10597[2017-12-03 16:43:06] <zapster> Ty Cobb, the White House lawyer handling the Russia investigation, told the New York Times that “the presidential transition guide specifically encourages contact with and outreach to foreign dignitaries.”
10598[2017-12-03 16:43:30] <zapster> I trust it more than any american media because it actually vets it's stories, links sources and provides verification of all claims. 
10599[2017-12-03 16:43:48] <zapster> you know, basic journalistic integrity. 
10600[2017-12-03 16:44:11] <djancak> did you see RT had their credential pulled for white house reporting
10601[2017-12-03 16:44:22] <djancak> because of lol foreign agent status
10602[2017-12-03 16:44:23] <zapster> which is why the US establishment is out to get them
10603[2017-12-03 16:44:24] <zapster> yeah 
10604[2017-12-03 16:44:36] <zapster> after forcing them to register that way
10605[2017-12-03 16:45:02] <zapster> we have full blown mccarthyism now. the only reliable sources are outside the US 
10606[2017-12-03 16:45:39] <djancak> well reliable sources on anything significant anyway
10607[2017-12-03 16:45:52] <djancak> real news is still good but honestly a lot of stuff they report i can't even begin to give a shit about
10608[2017-12-03 16:46:11] <zapster> an incoming administration talking to Russians about working together to solve conflicts can hardly be seen as collusion.  <-- that was my reaction when I read the actual charges. before seeing anything on RT 
10609[2017-12-03 16:46:17] <zapster> it's entrapment
10610[2017-12-03 16:46:45] <zapster> It is perfectly plausible that Flynn might have some true bombshell to share with investigators and that we might hear about it in due course. But as of yet, we still have no proof that there was any collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow – no matter how much the Russiagate true believers, or ABC News, would like there to be.
10611[2017-12-03 16:46:51] <djancak> god at this point i don't even care if it's collusion from a grand plot devise 20 years ago and finally culminating in its final form
10612[2017-12-03 16:46:56] <zapster> plausible maybe, but highly unlikely
10613[2017-12-03 16:47:03] <zapster> no kidding
10614[2017-12-03 16:47:16] <djancak> even if it's concluding beyond a shadow of a doubt that russia made trump president, fucking wow what are we going to do about it
10615[2017-12-03 16:47:18] <zapster> but the facts are he was trying to influence *them*, not the other way round lol 
10616[2017-12-03 16:47:20] <djancak> go to war with fucking russia
10617[2017-12-03 16:47:28] <djancak> how about fix the god damn broken election system
10618[2017-12-03 16:47:35] <djancak> but nobody wants to talk about that
10619[2017-12-03 16:47:41] <nomic> u know .. i always .. i remember trying to get money £4. to buy this reel 2 reel tape recorder off a school m8 .. i just wanted it badly
10620[2017-12-03 16:47:43] <djancak> nobody but the serious people that just get ignored
10621[2017-12-03 16:47:53] <nomic> i keep looking @ reel 2 reel tape decks on ebay
10622[2017-12-03 16:47:58] <nomic> pointless stuff 
10623[2017-12-03 16:49:24] <zapster> if anybody doubts it, test it yourself. load up the same story from american msm and RT and various blogs and compare the amount of links to original sources, names named, etc. 
10624[2017-12-03 16:49:38] <zapster> it's pretty glaring when you do that
10625[2017-12-03 16:50:14] <Nelluk> lol
10626[2017-12-03 16:50:36] <zapster> lying by ommission is a biggie in US news
10627[2017-12-03 16:50:53] <zapster> the blogs and RT almost always have *more* information in them, and it's verifiable
10628[2017-12-03 16:51:13] <Nelluk> so much misplaced on the charges against Flynn and how they dont reveal anything nefarious
10629[2017-12-03 16:51:38] <zapster> that is a non sequitur. you obviously don't look them
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10632[2017-12-03 16:52:43] <Nelluk> no, its not a non sequitur. the charges are a tool. the fact that they aren't about collusion or anything particular nefarious is irrelevant.
10633[2017-12-03 16:52:48] <Nelluk> https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/01/what-michael-flynns-plea-deal-means-215995
10634[2017-12-03 16:52:49] <rabble_bot> ^ What Michael Flynn’s Plea Deal Means - POLITICO Magazine
10635[2017-12-03 16:53:15] <zapster> it's not irrelevant. that's how entrapment works. 
10636[2017-12-03 16:53:16] <Nelluk> eleven different legal scholars summarize what it means for the larger investigation
10637[2017-12-03 16:53:17] <coffeeguy> yay just bought some natural herbs online
10638[2017-12-03 16:53:28] <zapster> you can make charges out of an old housedress if you're the fbi
10639[2017-12-03 16:53:57] <Nelluk> he got a sweetheart deal
10640[2017-12-03 16:53:58] <coffeeguy> well yah, the federal beureo of intimidation ;)
10641[2017-12-03 16:54:10] <nomic> The plane’s cupboards were stacked with Vienna Fingers, potato chips, pretzels and many packages of Oreos because Trump, a renowned germaphobe, would not eat from a previously opened package.    .. wow he's a f*ckup
10642[2017-12-03 16:54:15] <zapster> LOL, just like the GOP's 138 economists saying that tax cuts for the rich promote growth? 
10643[2017-12-03 16:54:20] <nomic> 'issues'
10644[2017-12-03 16:54:23] <zapster> excuse me while I yawn
10645[2017-12-03 16:54:24] <nomic> many different issues
10646[2017-12-03 16:54:34] <Nelluk> ill take that as code for "i'm not going to read this"
10647[2017-12-03 16:54:43] <coffeeguy> i'll read it
10648[2017-12-03 16:54:47] <zapster> already read it. 
10649[2017-12-03 16:54:52] <zapster> it is very much like those economists
10650[2017-12-03 16:54:54] — coffeeguy puts the mouse over the link and clicks
10651[2017-12-03 16:55:13] <zapster> and there are lots of other lawyers that say otherwise
10652[2017-12-03 16:55:16] <zapster> take yer pick
10653[2017-12-03 16:55:26] <Nelluk> so i take it that will be your go-to rebuttal any time a group of experts puts out an opinion you dont like
10654[2017-12-03 16:55:57] <zapster> what I predicted *long ago* is that they would only charge people for stuff completely unrelated to election fraud. and that is *exactly what they're doing* 
10655[2017-12-03 16:56:04] <zapster> they have to have a few scapegoats
10656[2017-12-03 16:56:29] <zapster> and it's probable that this will drop out of the media and the charge will be quietly dropped as soon as the Next Big Thing is launched
10657[2017-12-03 16:56:42] <Nelluk> anyone could have predicted that the first casualties of Mueller would be mid-level guys for small charges. its kind of how it works. there is no prescience here.
10658[2017-12-03 16:57:10] <zapster> but the charges have nothing to do with the investigation. if they had *anything* at all they'd be relevant. this isn't. 
10659[2017-12-03 16:57:57] <Nelluk> yeah you keep harping on that point that doesnt matter. the charges against Flynn were a gift so he could have the faintest slap on the wrist in exchange for his cooperation.
10660[2017-12-03 16:58:15] <zapster> it's entrapment. the call happened while he was on vacation--a fact that came out long ago, and he protested that he couldn't remember it clearly back then because he had no means to take notes on the calls. and since he was on the transition team, he was doing his job. 
10661[2017-12-03 16:58:41] <Nelluk> who says its entrapment
10662[2017-12-03 16:58:45] <zapster> they're calling it lies, but there's no reason for him to have lied. the FBI is known to use this tactic routinely to frame the innocent
10663[2017-12-03 17:00:17] <zapster> I say it is. I read the complaint. I saw the original statements from flynn months ago. he was not in a position to take notes on it. so they're calling any deviation from the recording they already had 'lies' hile he's at a severe disadvantage in remember a call that happened while he was on the beach and likely full of alcohol and unable to record it or take notes on it. 
10664[2017-12-03 17:00:18] <Nelluk> I also made a prediction long ago.. that no matter what came out of the investigation - even if we have a video of Trump handing over the nuclear briefcase to Putin in exchange for a bag with a dollar sign on it -- you would call it some kind of setup
10665[2017-12-03 17:00:41] <zapster> he said the first time it came up that he couldn't remember the call well. why call that a lie? 
10666[2017-12-03 17:00:48] <Nelluk> the President himself has stated publicly that Flynn lied to the FBI and to Pence, which is why Flynn was fired
10667[2017-12-03 17:01:11] <zapster> they already knew what the call was about, that it had no criminal content even. there was not even any probable cause to ask him about it. 
10668[2017-12-03 17:01:31] <Nelluk> Pretty sure they dont need probable cause to ask him about it.
10669[2017-12-03 17:01:45] <zapster> to get the media off their back is my guess
10670[2017-12-03 17:02:11] <zapster> if there's no probable cause that a crime has been committed--and they had the entire call so they knew that was the case, yeah they actually do. 
10671[2017-12-03 17:02:24] <zapster> this is a witch hunt.
10672[2017-12-03 17:02:34] <Nelluk> i take it that is coming from the same legal scholar who says its entrapment
10673[2017-12-03 17:02:48] <zapster> this is coming from basic constitutional law. 
10674[2017-12-03 17:02:51] <Nelluk> uh huh
10675[2017-12-03 17:02:52] <zapster> and you know it. 
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10678[2017-12-03 17:03:17] <Nelluk> no, it is your own bullshit interpretation to fit your narrative. find me a single credible legal scholar who is calling it entrapment and that the FBI had no standing to ask him about the call.
10679[2017-12-03 17:03:24] <zapster> why are the making an issue over a call that they have the entirety of and was not criminal?
10680[2017-12-03 17:03:47] <Nelluk> They probably wouldn't be making an issue out of it at all, but gave Flynn the least charge possible because he's cooperating. 
10681[2017-12-03 17:03:47] <zapster> and that he has a reasonable reason to not be able to remember well anyway? 
10682[2017-12-03 17:04:34] <zapster> they 'probably'. that's the erroneous assumption. do you think that all of this MUST be happening because they MUST have something? 
10683[2017-12-03 17:04:54] <zapster> and if so, why would you make those assumptions in the face of their long history of witch hunts and false accusations? 
10684[2017-12-03 17:04:57] <humbot> that boy is gettin a potty mouth
10685[2017-12-03 17:05:42] <zapster> or they could assume that he just can't remember and he's likely not lying. since no crime was committed, that would be the reasonable assumption 
10686[2017-12-03 17:06:09] <Nelluk> neither of us know for sure... either the lying was the worst they had on Flynn and they went after him at it... or the lying was a minor charge in exchange ofr his cooperation. Everyone is speculating. But as far as i can tell, the consensus from all the legal scholars is that it is the latter, not the former.
10687[2017-12-03 17:06:20] <zapster> mueller does have prosecutorial discretion. normally they don't do that to cooperating witnesses
10688[2017-12-03 17:06:24] <RcHaCk> DilloMeister
10689[2017-12-03 17:06:31] <DilloMeister> RcHaCk
10690[2017-12-03 17:06:35] <zapster> just as they chose not to charge clinton over much more obvious lies
10691[2017-12-03 17:06:56] <mouses> impeach hillary!
10692[2017-12-03 17:06:58] <Nelluk> always back to Clinton with you
10693[2017-12-03 17:07:04] <mouses> she should have nothing to do with politics anymore
10694[2017-12-03 17:07:24] <DilloMeister> would be nice if both of them left the political scene
10695[2017-12-03 17:07:25] <zapster> my guess is the pressure is on mueller to do something, but he has nothing to do it with. so it'll just be a string of bogus stuff like this that will be quietly dropped when the media focus elsewhere. 
10696[2017-12-03 17:07:35] <mouses> DilloMeister: impeach them both!
10697[2017-12-03 17:07:43] <mouses> grrrrr clinton
10698[2017-12-03 17:07:54] <zapster> https://twitter.com/Alt_DeptofED/status/937450755757404160
10699[2017-12-03 17:07:56] <rabble_bot> ^ Alt Dept of ED on Twitter: "Jesus. The Republican tax plan will make college more expensive. 🤬😡😤 https://t.co/SfeK2vvNaB"
10700[2017-12-03 17:07:58] <zapster> of course it will. 
10701[2017-12-03 17:08:14] <Nelluk> ok.. its possible that you're right. I think it is much more likely that this charge is an indication that the investigation is expanding and going after bigger fish for larger crimes. Guess we'll have to stay tuned to find out.
10702[2017-12-03 17:08:27] <zapster> argh, biab. :)
10703[2017-12-03 17:08:30] <zapster> and yep
10704[2017-12-03 17:08:31] <mouses> zapster: to be fair, you're also convinced that '4 months = too long and if they had anything we would know....'
10705[2017-12-03 17:08:39] <mouses> zapster: even though watergate took like 4 years
10706[2017-12-03 17:08:41] <Nelluk> true mouses
10707[2017-12-03 17:08:43] <zapster> it'll be educational :)
10708[2017-12-03 17:08:44] <mouses> and contra took like 3
10709[2017-12-03 17:09:02] <mouses> zapster: ugh didn't mean to catch you when going afk
10710[2017-12-03 17:09:04] <mouses> sorry
10711[2017-12-03 17:09:17] <zapster> yeah, but watergate had much more substantive claims all the way through with real evidence. they didn't just spew a bunch of stuff that was easily torn apart 
10712[2017-12-03 17:09:18] <Nelluk> by zapster's logic.. because McCarthyism was a thing and the intel community screwed up the Iraq war.... everything they say or do we should go for the opposite of
10713[2017-12-03 17:09:30] <zapster> it was qualititatively different
10714[2017-12-03 17:09:33] <mouses> zapster: I'm not sure, I see a lot of substantive claims
10715[2017-12-03 17:09:36] <mouses> and I see results too
10716[2017-12-03 17:09:46] <mouses> maybe I just see it different :(
10717[2017-12-03 17:09:55] <zapster> not when you dig into them. like the dnc hack has turned out to actulaly have been physically impossible 
10718[2017-12-03 17:09:57] <zapster> lol
10719[2017-12-03 17:10:06] <zapster> anyway, brb
10720[2017-12-03 17:10:06] <mouses> but to me, it sure 'looks' like classic RICO shit
10721[2017-12-03 17:10:07] <Nelluk> We have a meeting where the Trump campaign manager admits to going to because he wanted help from the russians to beat hillary. that alone is enough grounds for an investigation.
10722[2017-12-03 17:10:12] <Nelluk> lol physically impossible
10723[2017-12-03 17:10:13] <mouses> Nelluk: +++
10724[2017-12-03 17:10:16] <Nelluk> because of file timestamps
10725[2017-12-03 17:10:34] <mouses> touch --option foo.bar
10726[2017-12-03 17:10:39] <mouses> timestamps are just a thing
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10728[2017-12-03 17:10:59] <mouses> they don't really mean that much
10729[2017-12-03 17:11:04] <mouses> and are trivial to edit
10730[2017-12-03 17:11:11] <Nelluk> there is some site that says that the file transfer speeds were impossible to achieve to get a file from the DNC to the place of the purported russian hackers. and they base that on timestamps.
10731[2017-12-03 17:11:29] <Nelluk> and zapster has been dangling that for months now saying "the hacks were physically impossible"
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10736[2017-12-03 17:14:13] <zeroto100> Oh my God my cats are being so good they poop on their cat carrier so I have them in a duffel bag while we're in line for the warehouse
10737[2017-12-03 17:14:20] <zeroto100> They're cute they just cuddle each other
10738[2017-12-03 17:14:46] <zeroto100> Hey so I have this pins and needles feeling for my clothes so I Googled it and it's either a symptom of my thyroid problems or I have neuropathy
10739[2017-12-03 17:14:46] <Nelluk> you have cats while living in a van?
10740[2017-12-03 17:14:55] <zeroto100> I have two kittens and they pee and poop on everything
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10743[2017-12-03 17:15:00] <zeroto100> Everything
10744[2017-12-03 17:15:24] <zeroto100> I now I'll take them to a litter box about twice an hour
10745[2017-12-03 17:15:35] <Nelluk> that sounds like a big pain in the ass
10746[2017-12-03 17:15:47] <zeroto100> I thought it was going to have one kitten for a minute one of them ran away for an entire week at the laundromat and I went to go do laundry again and was saying his name and he was meowing
10747[2017-12-03 17:16:14] <zeroto100> Yeah when I spent that week with only one cat I realized how stressful two cats are but one cat would be bored
10748[2017-12-03 17:16:34] <zeroto100> I had one cat and he was bored so I got him a friend
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10751[2017-12-03 17:23:56] <zeroto100> No one wants to entertain me in this line huh
10752[2017-12-03 17:24:05] <zeroto100> Brutal
10753[2017-12-03 17:25:16] <xau> excuse me zeroto100, I'm going to do some work
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10755[2017-12-03 17:25:28] <xau>  <Nelluk> "agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist"
10756[2017-12-03 17:25:28] <xau> <Nelluk> right at the top of the wikipedia page
10757[2017-12-03 17:25:28] <xau> <Nelluk> thanks for the link xau
10758[2017-12-03 17:25:39] <zeroto100> I'm in line to work you judgemental dick
10759[2017-12-03 17:25:44] <xau> Citing a precis written to introduced a complex topic in a way accessible to an averagely literate 15 year old, Nelluk reads the first line, leaps to not only a wrong conclusion, but a wrong conclusion contradicted by a roster of literature and science quoted in the article.
10760[2017-12-03 17:25:59] <xau> He publishes this crass idiocy in a forum, the record of which will outlive him (as it will all of us).
10761[2017-12-03 17:26:01] <zeroto100> The white guy was getting impatient the lines and I was talking to another white guy and they seem satisfied. Do you think they're talking about their beards
10762[2017-12-03 17:26:10] <xau> Nelluk is as pure a manifestation as I've seen (equal to but not exceeding) of the Supreme Idiot.  The theme of what constitutes Supreme Idiocy is an interesting one.  For present purposes I will point to one serious toxic effect Supreme Idiots tend to have upon others.
10763[2017-12-03 17:26:11] <zeroto100> He seems satisfied
10764[2017-12-03 17:26:22] <xau> By their mere presence they temporarily reduce the intellect of others present.  This provides the S.I. with a life long experience of existing in a world where the general level of intelligence of others seems (understandably) to be lower than it actually is.  This exacerbates the S.I.'s condition, leading to grotesque lifelong performances of unsupportable toxic arrogance.
10765[2017-12-03 17:26:35] <xau> For purposes of clarity, I have implemented an /ignore on Nelluk, so my lack of response to any of his futile bleating should be understood accordingly.  As should any crass exploitation of my /ignore to plant comical text entries into my commentaries.
10766[2017-12-03 17:26:38] <zeroto100> Tru fuck nelluk
10767[2017-12-03 17:26:47] <xau> This details critique is the sole honour I willl extend to Nelluk.  And, P.S., I've figured out your nick.  But, true to form, you haven't. lololol
10768[2017-12-03 17:27:36] <coffeeguy> geez you folks need to smoke a doobie together and let go the hostility
10769[2017-12-03 17:27:57] <zeroto100> Or smoke concentrated weed oil that's what the kids are into these days
10770[2017-12-03 17:28:14] <Nelluk> lol
10771[2017-12-03 17:28:16] <coffeeguy> oh ok but you know just take a chill pill
10772[2017-12-03 17:28:25] <xau> lololol zeroto100: "putting in some work" is a term from Big Herc's YouTube channel.
10773[2017-12-03 17:28:30] <xau> He's awesome!
10774[2017-12-03 17:28:31] <coffeeguy> some much bad vibrating in here heh
10775[2017-12-03 17:28:33] <zeroto100> I wouldn't recommend taking pills. I would go with the weed oil
10776[2017-12-03 17:28:57] <coffeeguy> why are you in portland again?
10777[2017-12-03 17:29:09] <zeroto100> Because my grandma's in Eugene and if I'm not close to here I'm not going to see her for Christmas
10778[2017-12-03 17:29:26] <zeroto100> I'm considering going back to San Francisco Before Christmas
10779[2017-12-03 17:29:31] <coffeeguy> ok buh why not eugene?
10780[2017-12-03 17:29:40] <zeroto100> Because I can't work in Eugene I can work in Portland
10781[2017-12-03 17:29:42] <xau> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLyIbdhSjjs
10782[2017-12-03 17:29:43] <rabble_bot> ^youtube - What happens if you Lose a Fight in Prison? - Prison Talk 11.9 :: Duration: 05:07
10783[2017-12-03 17:30:08] <zeroto100> Where you watching prison documentaries
10784[2017-12-03 17:30:13] <zeroto100> Why are
10785[2017-12-03 17:30:13] <coffeeguy> oh interesting zeroto100 i mean it almost sounded like you were a mule for a second there
10786[2017-12-03 17:30:23] <xau> big herc is the shit
10787[2017-12-03 17:30:26] <zeroto100> I was actually watching border security on Netflix today
10788[2017-12-03 17:30:46] <zeroto100> Like oh my God if I went to Canada they would think I was smuggling weed
10789[2017-12-03 17:30:59] <zeroto100> Luckily it's too fucking cold there fuck that
10790[2017-12-03 17:31:00] <coffeeguy> border wars is pretty good
10791[2017-12-03 17:31:11] <zeroto100> Is that reality
10792[2017-12-03 17:31:18] <coffeeguy> reality tv no
10793[2017-12-03 17:31:30] <zeroto100> Brb
10794[2017-12-03 17:31:33] <zeroto100> Line is over
10795[2017-12-03 17:31:40] <coffeeguy> Line?
10796[2017-12-03 17:31:52] <coffeeguy> conga line?
10797[2017-12-03 17:32:04] <zeroto100> Basically
10798[2017-12-03 17:32:10] <zeroto100> 100% less fun
10799[2017-12-03 17:32:51] <zeroto100> Yay we are stuck at the front of the line now
10800[2017-12-03 17:32:52] <coffeeguy> anyhooo Nelluk i read that article and it's interesting how some of the professional opinions vary, but they all seem to agree that Flynn is just the first domino to fall
10801[2017-12-03 17:32:55] <zeroto100> This ride sux
10802[2017-12-03 17:33:04] <zeroto100> Who is nelluk
10803[2017-12-03 17:33:19] <Nelluk> yeah it seems like the obvious conclusion unless you have to squeeze it into some pro-russia narrative
10804[2017-12-03 17:33:56] <coffeeguy> light sentence, opted out of jury, he flipped the whole deal
10805[2017-12-03 17:34:12] <coffeeguy> one thing though
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10808[2017-12-03 17:34:38] <coffeeguy> was that act null when he talked to russia about the UN vote if so why did he lie?
10809[2017-12-03 17:35:01] <coffeeguy> Logan act*
10810[2017-12-03 17:35:20] <Nelluk> dont believe it was null.. just very seldom used
10811[2017-12-03 17:35:35] <coffeeguy> interesting
10812[2017-12-03 17:36:13] <coffeeguy> hmm monday will be insightful and next friday
10813[2017-12-03 17:37:00] <Nelluk> what happens then
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10815[2017-12-03 17:37:08] <coffeeguy> govt empolyees usually don't work the weekend but i imagine mueller is burning the midnight oil
10816[2017-12-03 17:37:32] <coffeeguy> well .. new indictments ?
10817[2017-12-03 17:38:05] <coffeeguy> more interviews, the last expert even parllayed that a russian might be interviewed
10818[2017-12-03 17:38:42] <Nelluk> i doubt anything will come that quickly, i think he just started cooperating last week. then i think DC gets pretty empty during the holidays. could be that we dont hear of any large further developments until january
10819[2017-12-03 17:40:55] <zapster> the logan act is probable no longer valid because of a legal principle called desuetude
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10821[2017-12-03 17:41:19] <zapster> which basically say's if you don't actually use it for a long time, it 'expires', even tho it's still on the books 
10822[2017-12-03 17:41:49] <mouses> coffeeguy: pretty much every 'expert' opinion I have read agrees with you
10823[2017-12-03 17:41:49] <zapster> and no conviction and almost no indictments have ever gone through with it 
10824[2017-12-03 17:42:13] <mouses> coffeeguy: as in 'this is a process, this is how it works, it takes time, what you see so far are just the bit players being pressured/flipped'
10825[2017-12-03 17:42:29] <mouses> but, if trump and team are innocent
10826[2017-12-03 17:42:34] <mouses> they should have nothing really to worry about
10827[2017-12-03 17:42:37] <zapster> in mainstream media? that's to be expected. they pick one 'right' statement and propagate it to all of them. 
10828[2017-12-03 17:43:08] <zapster> the mccarthy era disproved that 
10829[2017-12-03 17:43:23] <zapster> innocence is never any defense when the state wants to prove a point
10830[2017-12-03 17:43:41] <zapster> it has much bigger goals than justice
10831[2017-12-03 17:44:11] <zapster> like destroy the left, eliminate net neutrality, stifle this pesky tendency of people on the net prying into it's so-profitable secrets 
10832[2017-12-03 17:44:52] <zapster> etc.
10833[2017-12-03 17:45:12] <mouses> this is not 'the mccarthy era'
10834[2017-12-03 17:45:18] <mouses> you're drawing a false parallel
10835[2017-12-03 17:45:20] <zapster> hahahaha
10836[2017-12-03 17:45:34] <zapster> you are ignoring history
10837[2017-12-03 17:45:48] <mouses> Not at all!  I'm actually quite apt at history.
10838[2017-12-03 17:46:00] <mouses> It's kinda a passion of mine.  I would consider myself 'somewhat well read'
10839[2017-12-03 17:46:07] <zapster> and in fact, it's glaringly obvious that we are going through mccarthy 2, right up to and including black lists 
10840[2017-12-03 17:46:14] <kish``> girl is still here
10841[2017-12-03 17:46:17] <Nelluk> lol
10842[2017-12-03 17:46:20] <zapster> colin kaepernik
10843[2017-12-03 17:46:25] <zapster> is the first
10844[2017-12-03 17:46:27] <kish``> says she is selfdestructive so she was saying things to make me kick her out so she could do drugs
10845[2017-12-03 17:46:33] <mouses> I firmly disagree, zapster - nor do I see any evidence for this theory.
10846[2017-12-03 17:46:38] <kish``> told her friends we had broken up with 'do you have drugs'? '
10847[2017-12-03 17:46:39] <mouses> kish``: ack
10848[2017-12-03 17:46:40] <kish``> i can't do this
10849[2017-12-03 17:46:42] <kish``> i love her
10850[2017-12-03 17:46:44] <kish``> LOVE HER
10851[2017-12-03 17:46:51] <zapster> youtube suppressing all the left sites 
10852[2017-12-03 17:46:55] <zapster> google doing the same
10853[2017-12-03 17:47:03] <mouses> zapster: google is a private business
10854[2017-12-03 17:47:09] <mouses> they can do as they please
10855[2017-12-03 17:47:25] <mouses> we all click the same box
10856[2017-12-03 17:47:33] <mouses> 'google can terminate you for any or no reason at any time'
10857[2017-12-03 17:47:46] <Nelluk> kish have you considered proposing
10858[2017-12-03 17:47:46] <mouses> it's not like it's hard to host video on a million other sites
10859[2017-12-03 17:47:54] <startups> google sucks
10860[2017-12-03 17:48:02] <kish``> Nelluk, we're practically engaged without rings
10861[2017-12-03 17:48:11] <startups> but not quite as much as facebook
10862[2017-12-03 17:48:14] <mouses> startups: ehhh, as a customer I find good and meh with them, little of both
10863[2017-12-03 17:48:22] <mouses> startups: fuck facebook right in the face lol
10864[2017-12-03 17:48:25] <startups> apple is the shining star of ethical consumer privacy behavior
10865[2017-12-03 17:48:28] <zapster> and when a corporate state exists, there is no difference. they hounded facebook, and even flew out to ca to pressure him to come up with something. he told them 3 times he couldn't find anything. and what he eventually did "find" turned out to be laughable. you don't understand the pressure the state can bring on companies
10866[2017-12-03 17:48:32] <mouses> kish``: so is she like - high all the time?
10867[2017-12-03 17:48:40] <zapster> starting with licences, tax breaks, the IRS and grants 
10868[2017-12-03 17:48:56] <mouses> zapster: oh for sure, I don't disagree with that - but I was not really talking about the facebook stuff
10869[2017-12-03 17:48:57] <kish``> mouses, nope
10870[2017-12-03 17:49:00] <kish``> she's not high
10871[2017-12-03 17:49:01] <zapster> how did it get hollywood to blacklist all those writers? 
10872[2017-12-03 17:49:05] <zapster> there was no blaclist law
10873[2017-12-03 17:49:06] <kish``> we' will smoke a spill now
10874[2017-12-03 17:49:08] <mouses> zapster: feel you kinda changed topics quickly
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10877[2017-12-03 17:49:21] <mouses> kish``: if you ever need someone to talk with, feel free to PM me
10878[2017-12-03 17:49:21] <zapster> the production companies were perfectly free to not blacklist 
10879[2017-12-03 17:49:36] <mouses> kish``: i'm old and have been though some crazy relationship stuff in my time
10880[2017-12-03 17:49:43] <zapster> but they did, and all the people they jailed and blacklisted were completely innocent of any crime
10881[2017-12-03 17:49:43] <startups> private companies are free to do whatever they want lol
10882[2017-12-03 17:49:49] <mouses> startups: ++
10883[2017-12-03 17:49:54] <mouses> within the law, of course
10884[2017-12-03 17:49:55] <startups> jailing is a little more fucked up
10885[2017-12-03 17:50:02] <startups> due process and shit
10886[2017-12-03 17:50:04] <mouses> but you can't cry 'censorship' at google or facebook
10887[2017-12-03 17:50:06] <zapster> blacklisting destroyed careers. 
10888[2017-12-03 17:50:09] <mouses> i mean it's their lawn
10889[2017-12-03 17:50:12] <zapster> and they were free not to
10890[2017-12-03 17:50:18] <mouses> if they don't want you to play in it, that's how it goes
10891[2017-12-03 17:50:20] <startups> i mean that’s not why facebook and google are evil
10892[2017-12-03 17:50:24] <mouses> startups: ++
10893[2017-12-03 17:50:29] <zapster> can absolutely because they're doing the same thing the hollywood producers did 
10894[2017-12-03 17:50:39] <startups> they are evil because they took a perfectly good internet and fucked it up worse than computer viruses have ever done in a decade.
10895[2017-12-03 17:50:40] <mouses> zapster: You're reaching, in my opinion.
10896[2017-12-03 17:50:45] <startups> that said i did just buy tinder gold
10897[2017-12-03 17:50:46] <zapster> they're "blacklisting" sites based on their ideological slant 
10898[2017-12-03 17:50:52] <zapster> no I'm not. this is proven 
10899[2017-12-03 17:50:58] <mouses> zapster: the internet is self correcting
10900[2017-12-03 17:51:05] <mouses> zapster: you have been here a long time
10901[2017-12-03 17:51:07] <mouses> you know this
10902[2017-12-03 17:51:13] <zapster> not when the pipes are owned by big corps it isn't
10903[2017-12-03 17:51:17] <mouses> everything 'they' do = 'we' will find a work around
10904[2017-12-03 17:51:17] <kish``> mouses, thanks!
10905[2017-12-03 17:51:18] <kish``> :D
10906[2017-12-03 17:51:21] <zapster> they've been fiixing that for the last decade
10907[2017-12-03 17:51:23] <mouses> kish``: no problem
10908[2017-12-03 17:51:27] <startups> so are you advocating for or against net neutrality
10909[2017-12-03 17:51:28] <zapster> mergers and acquisitions you know
10910[2017-12-03 17:51:36] <mouses> startups: that's a fine question
10911[2017-12-03 17:51:39] <mouses> I'm for it, personally
10912[2017-12-03 17:51:42] <zapster> there are no viable routes aronud the major backbones anymore 
10913[2017-12-03 17:51:44] <mouses> I think zapster is too
10914[2017-12-03 17:51:58] <zapster> and they're now all owned by about 6 companies
10915[2017-12-03 17:52:03] <startups> so, if i want to be a small company that offers to connect you with some pipes
10916[2017-12-03 17:52:06] <zapster> talk about the data, not about me
10917[2017-12-03 17:52:06] <mouses> but I think zapster also lacks faith in the fact that even if we fuck it up, we'll fix it, we'll find workarounds, the internet will surrive
10918[2017-12-03 17:52:18] <zapster> ROFLMAO
10919[2017-12-03 17:52:21] <mouses> zapster: I'm not talking about you, i'm clarifing opinions
10920[2017-12-03 17:52:25] <startups> i would be forced to carry the same amount of traffic as comcast or at&t
10921[2017-12-03 17:52:32] <mouses> I am correct, right?  You are pro net-neutrality?
10922[2017-12-03 17:52:34] <startups> lets just say i was a small wimax provider
10923[2017-12-03 17:52:34] <mouses> Me too!
10924[2017-12-03 17:52:46] <zapster> yeah. I've been in IT and electronics for decades. I *KNOW* what they can do. and how bad consolidation has become.
10925[2017-12-03 17:52:55] <startups> in a rural area where the big 4 telecom arent already there
10926[2017-12-03 17:53:00] <mouses> zapster: same, I'm 40 years old, been in IT since I was 19
10927[2017-12-03 17:53:13] <mouses> zapster: Been into computers since far before that, I mean 19 = professionally :)
10928[2017-12-03 17:53:22] <zapster> the government can tell verizon to filter or give up data or it will sic regulators on them, break them up, stop their next deal
10929[2017-12-03 17:53:25] <startups> some idiot will sue me for ‘net neutrality’ when i degrade a little bit of the farmers daughers’ network connection
10930[2017-12-03 17:53:25] * erasmus → erasmus[m]
10931[2017-12-03 17:53:28] <mouses> zapster: have faith and hope, the internet will always find a way around
10932[2017-12-03 17:53:33] <startups> so people can have a skype call
10933[2017-12-03 17:53:35] <zapster> there's a million ways to coerce companies to do what the state wants 
10934[2017-12-03 17:53:41] <mouses> startups: no one can 'sue you' for violating it
10935[2017-12-03 17:53:47] <mouses> as it stands, the FCC would notify you
10936[2017-12-03 17:53:51] <startups> fine you
10937[2017-12-03 17:53:52] <mouses> and give you time to 'fix it'
10938[2017-12-03 17:53:55] <zapster> "faith' is religion. it's belief in what there is no evidence for
10939[2017-12-03 17:53:56] <mouses> nah no fines at first
10940[2017-12-03 17:53:58] <startups> youd be fined
10941[2017-12-03 17:53:59] <mouses> they work with people
10942[2017-12-03 17:54:04] <startups> just like the IRS
10943[2017-12-03 17:54:06] <startups> works with people
10944[2017-12-03 17:54:08] <mouses> I've worked with them, startups 
10945[2017-12-03 17:54:11] <mouses> it's not that bad at all
10946[2017-12-03 17:54:13] <mouses> it was painless
10947[2017-12-03 17:54:16] <startups> it’s extortion
10948[2017-12-03 17:54:18] <zapster> and the FCC is now run by a cable-company lobbyist. and have you never heard of the 'national security letters'? 
10949[2017-12-03 17:54:24] <zapster> they will not tell you a thing
10950[2017-12-03 17:54:26] <startups> oh yea i have thats that other fun fact
10951[2017-12-03 17:54:33] <startups> no but ive heard how they work
10952[2017-12-03 17:54:36] <mouses> Hey, i'm not against net-neutrality at all
10953[2017-12-03 17:54:38] <Nelluk> lol
10954[2017-12-03 17:54:42] <mouses> i'm very pro it, zapster 
10955[2017-12-03 17:55:03] <zapster> but you don't know IT or the government's powers
10956[2017-12-03 17:55:09] <startups> i have a reasonable idea
10957[2017-12-03 17:55:13] <zapster> read snowden. he's got a pretty good handle on it 
10958[2017-12-03 17:55:26] <mouses> zapster: have read and do agree
10959[2017-12-03 17:55:35] <zapster> it was obvous zuck didn't want to cooperate. but he did. 
10960[2017-12-03 17:55:49] <startups> so you’re defending zuck now
10961[2017-12-03 17:55:50] <mouses> all I'm saying is I have faith that we the citizens of the internet and the internet itself will take care of things, we always have.
10962[2017-12-03 17:56:05] <Lokesvarak> lol
10963[2017-12-03 17:56:07] <zapster> and as it's turned out, most of those were still nonsense. and there's no proof any of them had anything to do with russia even 
10964[2017-12-03 17:56:33] <zapster> lookd to me like he just told his graphics dept to whomp something up so they'd stop threatening him 
10965[2017-12-03 17:56:34] <zapster> lol
10966[2017-12-03 17:56:50] <mouses> except for ... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/politics/russia-2016-election-facebook.html
10967[2017-12-03 17:56:51] <rabble_bot> ^ These Are the Ads Russia Bought on Facebook in 2016 - The New York Times
10968[2017-12-03 17:56:56] <mouses> zapster: I think you are ignoring facts
10969[2017-12-03 17:56:59] <startups> except for the cofounder dustin moskovitz investing $20m in her campaign
10970[2017-12-03 17:57:12] <startups> which i made fun of him for and his bitch ass replied on twitter.
10971[2017-12-03 17:57:15] <zapster> we always have? you serious? it's been getting more and more circumscribed for years now 
10972[2017-12-03 17:57:19] <Lokesvarak> fact is at any moment you can lose access to your little "internet". deny it or not.
10973[2017-12-03 17:57:27] <mouses> zapster: please see link I posted
10974[2017-12-03 17:57:27] <startups> remember the people that made facebook were very much losers
10975[2017-12-03 17:57:34] <startups> who happened to win at one particularly big thing
10976[2017-12-03 17:57:41] <zapster> those are the ads I'm referring to. 
10977[2017-12-03 17:57:41] <startups> degrading the quality of the internet experience for everyone else
10978[2017-12-03 17:57:59] <mouses> zapster: you just said there's 'no proof it has anything to do with russia'
10979[2017-12-03 17:58:12] <zapster> they're clickbait ads, at least one is pure NRA, half of them never aired during the campaign, and there's nothing there that proves who posted them 
10980[2017-12-03 17:58:17] <coffeeguy> zapster = fsb
10981[2017-12-03 17:58:20] <zapster> or that they wene paid for
10982[2017-12-03 17:58:31] <startups> are you guys still talking about campaign ads?
10983[2017-12-03 17:58:36] <zapster> or by who
10984[2017-12-03 17:58:45] <mouses> zapster: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/technology/facebook-russian-political-ads.html
10985[2017-12-03 17:58:49] <rabble_bot> ^ Fake Russian Facebook Accounts Bought $100,000 in Political Ads - The New York Times
10986[2017-12-03 17:58:49] <mouses> zapster: you're ignoring facts
10987[2017-12-03 17:58:56] <mouses> why?
10988[2017-12-03 17:58:58] <zapster> oh? how do you know that's a fact? 
10989[2017-12-03 17:59:04] <zapster> where's the evidence? 
10990[2017-12-03 17:59:11] <zapster> it's not on that page
10991[2017-12-03 17:59:12] <mouses> zapster: check the sources, do the homework.
10992[2017-12-03 17:59:20] <zapster> I did. there's no evidence
10993[2017-12-03 17:59:24] <mouses> read the first paragraph of what I just sent you.
10994[2017-12-03 17:59:27] <startups> oh my god $100,000
10995[2017-12-03 17:59:31] <mouses> Facebook disclosed that
10996[2017-12-03 17:59:32] <zapster> it's a claim. there's no proof of that claim. 
10997[2017-12-03 17:59:33] <startups> a cofounder of FB donated $20m to hillary
10998[2017-12-03 17:59:39] <startups> her campaign not the foundation
10999[2017-12-03 17:59:40] <zapster> it's an unsubstantiated assertion
11000[2017-12-03 17:59:42] <mouses> startups: sure, but that's not what we are talking about
11001[2017-12-03 17:59:44] <zapster> with no evidence
11002[2017-12-03 17:59:48] <mouses> zapster: facebook itself admitted it
11003[2017-12-03 17:59:49] <startups> lol why not
11004[2017-12-03 17:59:50] <mouses> to congress
11005[2017-12-03 17:59:57] <startups> whats it matter $100k from russia, it could be $1m
11006[2017-12-03 18:00:00] <startups> it could be $10
11007[2017-12-03 18:00:00] <mouses> startups: that's not the topic right now, we can discuss that too
11008[2017-12-03 18:00:05] <mouses> but no whataboutism please
11009[2017-12-03 18:00:13] <mouses> you're distracting from good conversation that way
11010[2017-12-03 18:00:24] <startups> okay so, the same standards don’t apply?
11011[2017-12-03 18:00:29] <coffeeguy> lol
11012[2017-12-03 18:00:30] <mouses> it's not the topic
11013[2017-12-03 18:00:33] <zapster> LOL, under pressure. but it provides no evidence either. where's, oh, the payment posting? the addresses of the senders, anything at all. an order? 
11014[2017-12-03 18:00:34] <mouses> we're talking about russian political ads
11015[2017-12-03 18:00:36] <startups> that’s what every liberal argument can be boiled down to presently
11016[2017-12-03 18:00:37] <zapster> nothing but a claim. 
11017[2017-12-03 18:00:42] <startups> the same standards don’t apply
11018[2017-12-03 18:00:44] <mouses> zapster: it's not a 'claim' lol
11019[2017-12-03 18:00:46] <zapster> even if facebook "admitted
11020[2017-12-03 18:00:48] <mouses> zapster: the people who run facebook
11021[2017-12-03 18:00:49] <startups> it’s okay to lie to the FBI if you’re a democrat
11022[2017-12-03 18:00:51] <mouses> told congress about it
11023[2017-12-03 18:00:54] <mouses> come on zapster 
11024[2017-12-03 18:00:55] <zapster> "it, how do you know it wasn't under duress? 
11025[2017-12-03 18:00:59] <mouses> you're being intellectially dishonest
11026[2017-12-03 18:01:09] <zapster> thos natsec letters were extremely threatening
11027[2017-12-03 18:01:11] <Nelluk> flynn admitting he lied is meaningless.. facebook disclosing russians bought ads is meaningless... unless zapster can put her hands on the paper trail its all #fakenews
11028[2017-12-03 18:01:12] <zapster> coercion
11029[2017-12-03 18:01:16] <mouses> zapster: and now you're changing the topic
11030[2017-12-03 18:01:20] — mouses salutes
11031[2017-12-03 18:01:22] <mouses> nice
11032[2017-12-03 18:01:24] <zapster> don't talk about me, talk about the data. where is your evidenc? 
11033[2017-12-03 18:01:30] <zapster> actual, verifiable evidence? 
11034[2017-12-03 18:01:39] <zapster> not just statements 
11035[2017-12-03 18:01:46] <mouses> zapster: My actual evidence is the testimony that Facebook gave to congress.
11036[2017-12-03 18:01:51] <zapster> that would be rejected by any honest journalist
11037[2017-12-03 18:01:54] <coffeeguy> it's on usageniuneconservativenewsite.ru
11038[2017-12-03 18:01:58] <zapster> hahahaha
11039[2017-12-03 18:02:07] <mouses> So on the record under oath testimony, zapster ...
11040[2017-12-03 18:02:16] <coffeeguy> i mean those are the ads you post zapster
11041[2017-12-03 18:02:18] <mouses> would be 'rejected by any honest journalist'
11042[2017-12-03 18:02:21] <mouses> wew
11043[2017-12-03 18:02:23] <mouses> lad
11044[2017-12-03 18:02:26] <mouses> it's getting deep in here
11045[2017-12-03 18:02:27] <startups> guys do you know how easy it would be to get some russian FB ads for $100k? just hire Fusion GPS
11046[2017-12-03 18:02:37] <zapster> and after that testimony, it was later revealed that half the ads didn't run during the campaign, they favored *BOTH* sides of the campaign, and at least one was puppies. 
11047[2017-12-03 18:02:39] <zapster> uh huh. 
11048[2017-12-03 18:02:40] <startups> pay them $20m and they’ll produce $100k in ads
11049[2017-12-03 18:02:44] <startups> and laugh their ways to the fuckin bank
11050[2017-12-03 18:02:44] <zapster> and there is still no evidence
11051[2017-12-03 18:02:57] <mouses> zapster: and where's your source for that?
11052[2017-12-03 18:02:58] <coffeeguy> mouses i try to stick to social chat in here
11053[2017-12-03 18:03:01] <startups> russia can always use a little stimulus package now and then
11054[2017-12-03 18:03:03] <mouses> let me guess, some right wing blog?
11055[2017-12-03 18:03:11] <mouses> coffeeguy: i'm starting to just want to do the same
11056[2017-12-03 18:03:15] <mouses> coffeeguy: it's frustrating
11057[2017-12-03 18:03:20] <zapster> LOL, there are numerous sources for that. the puppies are on the page you linked, iirc
11058[2017-12-03 18:03:33] <mouses> zapster: so since puppies, it's all fake
11059[2017-12-03 18:03:34] <mouses> gotcha
11060[2017-12-03 18:03:39] <startups> it must be frustrating to be the head of fb ads and have to explain how $100k relates to the millions of dollars they process in ads from the russians every year
11061[2017-12-03 18:03:43] <zapster> where is the verifiable evidence that russia paid for those ads? 
11062[2017-12-03 18:03:47] <coffeeguy> lol mouses
11063[2017-12-03 18:03:48] <zapster> not just claims 
11064[2017-12-03 18:03:56] <mouses> zapster: under oath testimany from facebook
11065[2017-12-03 18:03:58] ⇐ nomic quit (~nomic4@host31-48-227-127.range31-48.btcentralplus.com): Quit: Leaving
11066[2017-12-03 18:03:59] <zapster> but copies, pdfs, actual financial statements
11067[2017-12-03 18:04:06] <mouses> zapster: you don't get to see those
11068[2017-12-03 18:04:08] <zapster> standard journalistic stuff 
11069[2017-12-03 18:04:10] <mouses> it's not your right
11070[2017-12-03 18:04:18] <zapster> ah, then I have no reason to accept their claim. 
11071[2017-12-03 18:04:22] — coffeeguy hands zapster the order of leningrad
11072[2017-12-03 18:04:22] <startups> yea and if you could people would commit fraud with it
11073[2017-12-03 18:04:22] <mouses> lmfao
11074[2017-12-03 18:04:32] <zapster> and knowing what I know, I do not. 
11075[2017-12-03 18:04:35] <Nelluk> lol
11076[2017-12-03 18:04:39] <mouses> zapster: that's some amazing mental gymnastics there
11077[2017-12-03 18:04:42] <mouses> i'm fucking impressed
11078[2017-12-03 18:04:44] <mouses> really
11079[2017-12-03 18:04:46] — mouses slow claps
11080[2017-12-03 18:04:56] <zapster> no journalist with any integrity would accept that. 
11081[2017-12-03 18:04:59] <zapster> *shrug* 
11082[2017-12-03 18:05:02] <zapster> there's nothing there
11083[2017-12-03 18:05:16] <mouses> right, no journalist with any integrity would report on under oath testimony from the company in question before congress
11084[2017-12-03 18:05:18] <startups> the head of the CIA boasted in 1987 that he could buy a journalist for $200!
11085[2017-12-03 18:05:20] <coffeeguy> nothingburgered the something burger great going zapster
11086[2017-12-03 18:05:23] <mouses> you're talking crazy zapster 
11087[2017-12-03 18:05:26] <zapster> how do you know NYT didn't just make up some images for the occasion? 
11088[2017-12-03 18:05:34] <Nelluk> lol
11089[2017-12-03 18:05:35] <mouses> zapster: what?
11090[2017-12-03 18:05:35] <startups> if you look at the internet right now that looks exactly correct
11091[2017-12-03 18:05:36] <zapster> how do you know zuck wasn't coerced? 
11092[2017-12-03 18:05:40] <mouses> holy shit
11093[2017-12-03 18:05:45] <mouses> I can't even
11094[2017-12-03 18:05:46] <coffeeguy> lololol
11095[2017-12-03 18:05:55] — mouses retrets
11096[2017-12-03 18:05:57] <mouses> you win zapster 
11097[2017-12-03 18:05:57] <zapster> how do you know they're not just some creative photoshop stuff to bolster their narrative? 
11098[2017-12-03 18:06:01] <mouses> I need to smoke weed now
11099[2017-12-03 18:06:03] <zapster> where is the evidence? 
11100[2017-12-03 18:06:04] <mouses> look what you do to me
11101[2017-12-03 18:06:09] <mouses> LOOK AT IT
11102[2017-12-03 18:06:11] <mouses> lol
11103[2017-12-03 18:06:16] <zapster> I already did. long ago in fact.
11104[2017-12-03 18:06:17] <coffeeguy> lol
11105[2017-12-03 18:06:20] <zapster> I researched it deeply
11106[2017-12-03 18:06:25] <zapster> and came up "bullshit" 
11107[2017-12-03 18:06:31] <Nelluk> im pretty sure there is literally no level of evidence that zapster would accept if it contradicted her narrative
11108[2017-12-03 18:06:39] <coffeeguy> she's getting a pension from FSB central
11109[2017-12-03 18:06:45] <zapster> I already named the acceptable evidence
11110[2017-12-03 18:06:47] <mouses> da, comrades
11111[2017-12-03 18:06:48] <zapster> gave a list.
11112[2017-12-03 18:06:52] <zapster> without that, it's bs 
11113[2017-12-03 18:07:05] <Lokesvarak> @zapster ambiguity rules these days it seems.
11114[2017-12-03 18:07:09] <coffeeguy> true=bs bzzzt shorts brain
11115[2017-12-03 18:07:11] <mouses> right, no journalist with any integrity would report on under oath testimony from the company in question before congress
11116[2017-12-03 18:07:18] <Nelluk> literally you could have a video from multiple angles of Putin handing trump a bag of cash and getting the nuclear briefcase and she'd say it was probably staged by the DNC crisis actors
11117[2017-12-03 18:07:20] <zapster> you guys must fall for clickbait all the time
11118[2017-12-03 18:07:22] <zapster> LOL
11119[2017-12-03 18:07:26] <Lokesvarak> oh, they do.
11120[2017-12-03 18:07:40] <zapster> Nelluk, that attack is unwarranted 
11121[2017-12-03 18:07:41] <mouses> Nelluk: My brain has been broken I think
11122[2017-12-03 18:07:42] <coffeeguy> where's that bottle of vodka
11123[2017-12-03 18:07:42] <zapster> stop.
11124[2017-12-03 18:07:57] <Nelluk> its not an attack, its a description of your intellectually dishonest argument tactics.
11125[2017-12-03 18:07:57] <mouses> zapster: it's not an 'attack' - it really does appear like that from the outside
11126[2017-12-03 18:07:58] <startups> i mean we literally have a video of obama, caught on a hot mic speaking with a russian advisor who says “I will transmit this to vladimir” 
11127[2017-12-03 18:08:12] <zapster> I named the acceptable evidence, which is quite similar to such listed in journalistic standards on numerous news sites for their own journalists 
11128[2017-12-03 18:08:14] <mouses> startups: we're not talking about obama please stay on topic
11129[2017-12-03 18:08:16] <startups> and we’re starting to see videos of meetings between obama and putin and he looks like justin trudeau
11130[2017-12-03 18:08:17] <Nelluk> and thats after you ignored Xau 15 minutes ago going on a tirade of multiple personal attacks against me
11131[2017-12-03 18:08:34] <zapster> I didn't see it.
11132[2017-12-03 18:08:37] <zapster> was in the shower 
11133[2017-12-03 18:08:59] <zapster> I assume, since I've seen nothnig from him since I got back
11134[2017-12-03 18:09:01] <startups> it’s quite relevant he was our last present, as is bush, as is clinton. if you wanna talk politics in all fairness please stay on topic and use the relevant precedent for this day in age.
11135[2017-12-03 18:09:13] <mouses> zapster: Again, from the outside - it really does seem like you have a single narriative and are unwilling to see beyond it, even when presented with evidence and solid data.
11136[2017-12-03 18:09:15] <Nelluk> your new definition of personal attack is any time anyone mentions your stance or your tactics
11137[2017-12-03 18:09:21] <coffeeguy> i have the logs zap if you want me to email them to you?
11138[2017-12-03 18:09:32] <Nelluk> you keep moving the line of what is acceptable 
11139[2017-12-03 18:09:44] <coffeeguy> or paste them on past bin or bash lolol
11140[2017-12-03 18:09:48] <startups> even if it DID sound unrelated, any judge would allow it
11141[2017-12-03 18:09:48] <mouses> startups: we were talking about russian purchased political ads in the 2016 election
11142[2017-12-03 18:09:54] <zapster> until they come up with verifiable evidence, what other narrative is possible? 
11143[2017-12-03 18:09:54] <mouses> startups: that was nothing to do with obama
11144[2017-12-03 18:10:03] <startups> less than the price of an average home in any coastal US city
11145[2017-12-03 18:10:06] <coffeeguy> seriously i think i need to go to bash
11146[2017-12-03 18:10:07] <mouses> startups: come on now, the conversation si good tonight - don't derail it
11147[2017-12-03 18:10:09] <zapster> there's nothing anywhere tying those images to any source
11148[2017-12-03 18:10:19] <coffeeguy> err
11149[2017-12-03 18:10:20] <mouses> coffeeguy: cat foo.bar | nc termbin.com 9999
11150[2017-12-03 18:10:20] <zapster> show me how they connect 
11151[2017-12-03 18:10:20] <startups> vs $20m gifted by a private corporation with a very questionable track record on privacy
11152[2017-12-03 18:10:31] <coffeeguy> ?
11153[2017-12-03 18:10:48] <mouses> coffeeguy: oh, bash - I thought you meant the shell :)
11154[2017-12-03 18:10:58] <mouses> coffeeguy: that's how to termbin from a bash shell :)
11155[2017-12-03 18:10:58] <zapster> 'sokay, I can follow more than one topic at the same time
11156[2017-12-03 18:10:59] <zapster> lol
11157[2017-12-03 18:11:05] <coffeeguy> lol oh to paste the logs, i gotta download them first
11158[2017-12-03 18:11:06] <zapster> this is text, after all 
11159[2017-12-03 18:11:11] <startups> from a career-lobbyist and criminal, which means there was only ever going to be a trump presidency. thank god.
11160[2017-12-03 18:11:14] <coffeeguy> irccloud and all
11161[2017-12-03 18:11:29] <coffeeguy> that work in mac mouses?
11162[2017-12-03 18:11:57] <zapster> and he's right on that. this tiny amount of money that paid for only half the ads to run during the election, vs. clintons billions?