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1Dienstag, 20. März 2018
201:35 - tjakal: yeah, not gonna stick around with you two dicating or more importantly interpreting such rules, there is an obv solution tho
301:37 - ElchMoose: ?
401:38 - tjakal: resign and give all the power to someone we all can trust not to ever do something douchebaggy against anything or anyone; the mayor of palleto bay
501:40 - ElchMoose: and why are you making such demands now?
601:41 - tjakal: isn't it obvious?
701:41 - ElchMoose: i did a lot for this group and i never abused any of those powers, so i'm not going to further push this topic with you. yes i repeat, NEVER. ABUSED. ADMIN. POWERS. capiche?
801:42 - tjakal: then you should not hold onto it so hard it is something that is difficult to give up
901:43 - ElchMoose: it'S a title i'Ve been given and that many around think i should hold for everything i've done so far and just for the reason that i also never misuse it, but do what is needed when it'S needed
1001:43 - tjakal: you have my terms, I'll give you at least 48h to ponder them
1101:46 - ElchMoose: rejected. If you want to demand this, ask whoever agrees with you, in a public discussion (not argument).
1201:47 - tjakal: well you have 47.9 h left to change your mind
1301:47 - ElchMoose: or?
1401:49 - tjakal: til I leave my letter of resignation with the mudclub and evacuate myself from the premise
1501:50 - ElchMoose: you know what you are causing right?
1601:50 - tjakal: ?
1701:50 - ElchMoose: you dense motherfucking selfish asshole.
1801:51 - ElchMoose: YOU cause many of our more "unstable" and depressive people to see all the fucking arguing rise up AGAIN
1901:51 - ElchMoose: YOU AND ERIN
2001:52 - ElchMoose: why the fuck did you all even try to make peace with me then yesterday?
2101:55 - tjakal: no we're not doing that E, this is PM
2201:56 - tjakal: it's a simple fix E, all of us can agree john is the most chill and non-douchebaggy guy we have around, that is often around
2301:56 - ElchMoose: but you have issues with me that never were true
2401:56 - tjakal: that is an obv out that avoids splittering the mudclub
2501:56 - ElchMoose: you AND erin
2601:56 - ElchMoose: i still hold my opinion..
2701:57 - ElchMoose: you just dig out all of it again
2801:57 - ElchMoose: and you made goat fucking quit everything because of all the drama, same as crimmy and i'm about to follow.
2901:58 - ElchMoose: know what fine. take it and leave me the fuck ylone all of you
3002:00 - tjakal: well I wished you would've thought it over and not done it while all emotional, but thank you E, this inspires trust
3102:00 - ElchMoose: GutterGoat: thats al lot T for doing the on ething people have tried for 20 years GRATZ for being the person that made me think about ending it...... TY U VERY FCUKING MUCH ASSHOLE
32send him this
3302:01 - ElchMoose: and i have 0 trust left for you after all your stupid accusations.
3402:02 - ElchMoose: and what goat is saying, you pushed crimmy close to as well... i never was that unstable but srsly i very much was right on the edge thanks to you lately.
3502:02 - tjakal: all I ever wanted was not having to debate you in public and just hasch it out like two semi-grown up men here E
3602:03 - ElchMoose: the admin bullshit is something you pulled out of your ass ages ago and keep yapping about every few days
3702:05 - ElchMoose: nothing to say about it?
3802:06 - ElchMoose: or goat? or others? nada? this is pm..
3902:08 - tjakal: what happened was I came online and saw you and goat being impolite and bossy towards a bunch of new people so I gave some wry remarks, crimmy being your friend and protective of goat snapped at me, and you all started typing away at me
4002:08 - ElchMoose: ffs
4102:08 - ElchMoose: that argument was done
4202:08 - tjakal: the whole Moosecapolypse Naow thingy
4302:08 - ElchMoose: dont dig up another one
4402:08 - ElchMoose: and fuck you with those silly names seriously
4502:08 - tjakal: I'm not digging I'm summarizing
4602:10 - tjakal: well F me then, but you have to admit you'd have fun too reading it if you where not so invested in the whole debacle
4702:11 - ElchMoose: a
4802:11 - ElchMoose: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
4902:11 - ElchMoose: FUCKJ OFF
5002:11 - ElchMoose: FUCK OFF NOW
5102:14 - tjakal: ok, maybe you don't have to admit it to me, but you'll admit it to yourself in private, if not now then some way down the road
5202:14 - ElchMoose: NO YOU FUCKING SELFISH PRICK. YOU PLAY WITH PEOPLES MENTAL HEALTH AND LIFES HERE YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND???????????
5302:16 - tjakal: well I told you not to debate me in public but you guys kinda forced my hand you know
5402:17 - tjakal: I felt sorry for all the people who wanted nothing to do with the drama so I did something a bit more fun for the audience
5502:18 - tjakal: I'm not a serious person and I do not take myself or other people very seriously, sometimes people get hurt as a result
5602:18 - ElchMoose: I'M FUCKING DONE HEARING THIS YOU SADISTIC SELFISH FUCKING ASSHOLE. YOU NEVER WERE A FRIEND TO ANYONE HERE. YOU JUST PRETEND TO FUCKING AMUSE YOURSELF. FUCK OFF
5702:24 - tjakal: that isn't true E, I don't try to make people pissed off at me, it just turns out that way sometimes because I am calm while they are not
5802:24 - ElchMoose: WRONG.
5902:24 - ElchMoose: you do it on fucking purpose
6002:24 - ElchMoose: and i am a witness of that
6102:24 - tjakal: and I am amused but that is just how I deal with rality istead of getting angry at it
6202:25 - ElchMoose: or you are just a fucking selfish prick
6302:26 - tjakal: I can't control how other people use their emotions
6402:27 - ElchMoose: and you are just a fucking 5  year old that has no idea how simple emotions work? or just that stupid? or is it that you still dont fucking care?
6502:30 - tjakal: if you haven't notice the way I work is very detatched myself
6602:30 - tjakal: I don't get angry with you for telling me to fuck off in caps and all that, and I do not return the favor
6702:31 - tjakal: way I'm wired is different so I do not understand how your inner workings interperet situations
6802:31 - ElchMoose: then maybe you should detach yourself from using people you call friends for your own amusement and pushing them into mental ruins while you're at it. I seriously hope goat doesnt suicide, but if he does, this chat log goes to ccops.
6902:32 - tjakal: what?
7002:32 - ElchMoose: yes that?
7102:32 - tjakal: how can I possibly have pushed goat into suicide by anything I've said here, I'm not even talking to goat
7202:32 - tjakal: this is a PM between 4 eyes
7302:33 - ElchMoose: your behaviour. YOU DO push people into that you just refuse to see it
7402:34 - tjakal: goat have issues that has nothing to do with me, if I'm such toxic fucking kryptonite that he can't live with me being able to walk and talk
7502:34 - ElchMoose: and if cops wont get you and he really does that i swear imma come and find your ass
7602:35 - tjakal: he need to work thru them issues because I am not even trying to hurt him, and this world is full with assholes who would do just that
7702:35 - tjakal: and to live here one need to be able to deal with those as well as an adult
7802:36 - ElchMoose: you ARE not only trying BUT PURPOSEFULLY HURTING HIM A LOT
7902:37 - tjakal: goat is pissing of people left and right with his big mouth, and when that behaviour backfires he is hurt to his very core
8002:37 - tjakal: you don't wanna encourage a person to go around acting like that
8102:38 - ElchMoose: you should have for example tried to do stupid shit with his cars when he fucking asked you to stay away. you then go plant fucking mines on it or do other shit, very friendly, also then you wonder "why is he mad at me" well open your fucking eyes seriously
8202:40 - tjakal: and for every time I have done anything like that there is a wall of "FUCK YOU TJ! ""SHUT UP TJ!" but you two seem to be blind to just how much you unload on others since you do it on pure routine
8302:40 - tjakal: you are not some innocent littel bunnies that harm no one and then get your ears pulled by bullies
8402:41 - ElchMoose: it's pointless to even discuss anything anymore.. you never see your faults and that never changed.
8502:41 - tjakal: one need a mirror to see what others can see moose
8602:43 - tjakal: you and goat frankly seem to have a very alternative view of reality that you've crafted togheter, you sit there talking to one another and only hear you own views echoed back, so you think everybody who isn't 100% with you are 1000% against you
8702:44 - ElchMoose: that is your view.. your perverted ways are the wrong ones, we dont play with peoples mental health
8802:45 - tjakal: oh no? you fucking scream your ass's off at whoever you are shooting at for the minute
8902:45 - tjakal: you abuse people so routinly you can't even see when you're doing it
9002:46 - ElchMoose: they can leave anytime, we get fucked back the same.. it's just a game. unlike doing that to friends and people you expect to have your back
9102:47 - tjakal: well if you want someone to have your back you prob don't wanna abuse them
9202:52 - ElchMoose: read this fucking 100 times and keep repeating just that every morning, then maybe you will one day realize what this stupid fking moose wanted from you.
9302:53 - tjakal: you don't get to dictate what you get from people any more than I do moose, so I don't even worry about that
9402:53 - ElchMoose: so are you saying you were wrong just above?
9502:53 - ElchMoose: or that you are always an exception?
9602:53 - tjakal: just be yourself and let others worry about themselves
9702:55 - tjakal: not an exception moose, I know who I can trust and who I can not, who've I inspired to hold my back and whom I failed with
9803:11 - tjakal: you want in on a hottub E?
9903:17 - tjakal: so how about we bury the hatchet inside the game and take it here incase we still need to accuse one another of forcing people into suicide or being powerhungry despots?
10003:18 - tjakal: would be said if skulls and her friend had to become part of this merry horseshit
10103:18 - tjakal: sad*
10203:26 - tjakal: Xx_FTR is hostile
10303:38 - ElchMoose: tbh i'm just using this one as a distraction from all the shit you people push.. and gonna act like a friend unlike some of you fake motherfuckers.
10404:03 - tjakal: so let me get this straight, when we're friendly to you we're fake motherfucker but when you call us such and act friendly towards us you're the legitedest buddy there is?
10504:12 - ElchMoose: we had it hashed out just last night. or sou you all had us believe..
10604:12 - ElchMoose: now you cause more and more drama again and judt for your "luls"
10704:14 - tjakal: I came back and saw erin had flipped the script just like you and everyone else E
10804:15 - ElchMoose: but you run straight for him..
10904:15 - ElchMoose: and you keep accusing me of stuff that never happened
11004:15 - tjakal: frankly I think you're both acting too fast on your emotions, if you had let it all cooled off and offered genuine apologies we'd never be here
11104:15 - ElchMoose: we?
11204:15 - ElchMoose: for what?
11304:16 - ElchMoose: for your bullying? for false statements? for hate towards us?
11404:18 - tjakal: you and erin are both hotheads that snap at people when you get angry at them
11504:20 - tjakal: esp you then scream some rash hard to forgive bullshit for most people while you're in that state of anger
11604:21 - tjakal: and that what messed up your relationship with erin to this point
11704:22 - tjakal: blame is on both of you for that divide, you gave a fake apology to him that he accepted too easily and then could not live with or sumtin, I dunno
11804:22 - tjakal: it
11904:22 - tjakal: is just unfortunate is all
12004:23 - ElchMoose: that divide happened before that.. because of your bullying, i remind you.
12104:58 - tjakal is now Online.
12205:23 - tjakal: Oh right, you gank up on me and accuse me of being the biggest douchebag in the universe plotting to ruin your mental health and end your lives because I call you out on talking smack and tryharding in a damn videogame, If I'm seriously such a negative influence on your lives you really should not subject yourself to me because I will judge people based on how they carry themselves in general
12305:23 - tjakal: you can't be kind to me and a bleeding asshole to others and not expect me to get on your bad side
12405:25 - ElchMoose: i told you so many times.. we dont start those fights... and if we get attacked it'S all out.. same as you always did, just that you're mostly not around to see what happens before
12505:28 - tjakal: if you're aggressivly talk smack to people you don't get to dish out red cards and pretend to be bullied when people take offense with you and bite back
12605:29 - ElchMoose: it'S one thing to insult someone you already fight. it's completely a different thing to keep doing things that your friends hate when you do to them, they ask you to stop multiple times and you just go on..
12705:30 - ElchMoose: dont ever compare that again, cause that is not even similar at any point.
12805:31 - tjakal: ofc it is, you offend me treating people like shit just because they are worse than you in a videogame so I hint at you what you're doing isn't right by taunting you
12905:44 - ElchMoose: you taunt us even when you have no reason for it or have no fucking clue what is going on. this is where all this fighting started. you know goat had issues before, you constantly pushing his buttons only was making worse..
13005:44 - ElchMoose: you have no idea how much improved he is if you'Re not around
13105:48 - tjakal: yeah because when I'm not there he can shoot people right and left in peace and howl at them in CAPS without you pointing out he's acting like a bag of douche
13205:49 - tjakal: quite possibly because you subscribe to the same modus operandi as the goat
13305:50 - tjakal: I don't know if that kind of improvement counts in my book
13405:53 - ElchMoose: FFS YOU have no fucking clue. just keep proving how fucking dense you are. you wouldnt see good in others even if you fucking stepped in it. When i say that he actually was better, i really mean that and stop fucking thinking that you are so smart and everyone else is a moron..  HE DID MUCH BETTER. I even have witnesses. Just the moment his bully joined (YES YOU) he'd go into a protective shut down mode. then you also get in and taunt like a fucking madman..
13505:55 - tjakal is now Online.
13605:57 - tjakal: I'm open to consider doing that but in return you must then stop acting and typing like one of those using, caps and fucks trying to make an argument from pure force of emotion rather than any appeal to my intelligence
13705:58 - ElchMoose: now? now you want to "consider doing that"? really? and what is "that" in your opinion? also people = emotions you just cant have one without the other.
13805:59 - tjakal: yes E, we all have emotions, but we don't have to stand and scream at one anothers face til our hair is backslicked just because of that.
13906:00 - tjakal: you can infact make an effort to be civilized, esp when you are angry at people who are not hostile towards you and open to hear you out
14006:01 - tjakal: just because I don't respond to insult verbally doesn't mean I don't hold it against you when you talk like that to me
14106:02 - ElchMoose: can you at least for once answer what i asked above?
14206:03 - tjakal: state your case in less capitalized fucks and there will be nothing but the information for me to respond to
14306:03 - ElchMoose: 05:58 - ElchMoose: now? now you want to "consider doing that"? really? and what is "that" in your opinion? also people = emotions you just cant have one without the other.
14406:04 - tjakal: oh, I will condsider not thinking I'm so smart and everyone else is a 'moron'.
14506:06 - ElchMoose: then forget i asked.. thought you are still trying to hash this out, even if after all you've said it sounds almost impossible.
14606:09 - tjakal: well it works like this, first you recognize your area of differences, make sure the other person understands your position as you percieve it, then you argue over the validity of your interpretations and rightiousnes of judgementcalls etc, then you walk away from it and ponder over it and see if your thinking changes, if not you agree upon what you disagree about
14706:11 - ElchMoose: again, trying to be a fucking smartass and not adding anything even virtually on topic or relevant.
14806:12 - tjakal: I'm not really trying E, I am a smartass, even thork pointed this out to me
14906:12 - ElchMoose: you try hard to be a smartass, you are too disconnected to be one fully
15006:13 - tjakal: chances are what you percieve as smartassery on my part is simply who I am if left to my own devices
15106:16 - tjakal: that aspect of my persona might be what you interprete as general 'taunting for no reason
15206:17 - tjakal: when you are mad at me and not open to be made fun of
15306:18 - tjakal: but I do that anyone all the time, and I tend to self deprecate too when I catch myself doing something dubious or stupid
15406:19 - ElchMoose: you used to be that.. then "something" happened and you changed without realizing..
15506:19 - ElchMoose: but we told you all of that before
15606:20 - tjakal: yeah, I saw you and goat type it explaining how I was just like mia, but nobody else seem to experience anything like that, and the whole idea is just alien to me, like it's from an alternate reality
15706:21 - tjakal: you said I was a cargokilling, tyhard, taunting piece of - and the rest was just frosting on the shitcake-
15806:22 - ElchMoose: you misread that totally and we told you that right at the same time
15906:22 - tjakal: taunting I can grant you, I do like to taunt, but where does the rest originate from?
16006:23 - tjakal: you where 4 people typing away at me E, I could not hope to gather all you typed
16106:24 - tjakal: esp the cargokilling part, like wtf? when did I ever murder cargo even from a hated adversary?
16206:24 - tjakal: I do remember blowing up a guy sourcing a car once, but that is the only time I ever recall doing something like that
16306:25 - ElchMoose: and we told you so many times not that trolling..
16406:25 - ElchMoose: and you turn it around all of the time
16506:25 - tjakal: trolling?
16606:28 - ElchMoose: *facepalm* how many times does one have to post you the same stuff so you actually read and try to understand? this point has posted like on at least 5 different occasions last week during all of this.. i'm not going into this loop-de-loop kinda thing of talk the same stuff over and over until one forgets what it really was about from overusage of that data.
16706:30 - tjakal: I have yet to actually see any explanation on how me and milan is even remotly similar creatures, let alone being the carbon copies you guys where pushing
16806:30 - ElchMoose: ........................................................................................................................................................................
16906:34 - ElchMoose: alright i can say some but if i'm too tired with this i will not continue.. you dont notice but you changed towards similar behaviours than his, when you tried to "cure" him of the inner devil. you used to never piss people off for fun and i dont mean when there is actual reason for it, you will just do it, "just so", like plant mines around goat'S car when he absolutely hates that and all he did was sitting in a parked car..  this was just an example, many more situations like that (even that description fits at least 3 such incidents)
17006:35 - tjakal is now Online.
17106:38 - tjakal: ah, so goat think I'm mimicing milan when i fux with his car basically. My view is that many peole who play with goat are threatened not to fuck with his ride; which means you kinda wanna fuck with his ride. Rambo, valoo and almost everyone does it. ofc I will do it a lot more since I've played the damn game for 6500h, it's just the law of big numbers at work making me out to be a way worse troll than I really am
17206:39 - ElchMoose: no
17306:39 - tjakal: either way I just refuse to think of that as being like milan, that is me being a general troll
17406:39 - ElchMoose: valoo did once or twice, they get along just fine now without any incidents like that.
17506:39 - ElchMoose: and mia is a general troll.
17606:41 - tjakal: do you know how many times goat has murdered me for basically nothing without me even retaliating? frankly he'd deserve ~100K worth of stickys on his car just to pay the karma police
17706:42 - tjakal: I'm just too cheap to do it, and not vengeful enough to actually set them off when I plant them there
17806:43 - ElchMoose: ah see? there we go.. your mind is stuck in some eye for yey mentality just lacking the balls to actually do it. so you'd rather hide in the bushes and troll from there.
17906:44 - ElchMoose: eye*
18006:45 - tjakal: yeah, if I start a war for every minor transgression I'd not know goat for this long, instead I throw him a hello present form time to time when he's been extra naughty or double dared too many times not to do it
18106:46 - tjakal: goat is super trollable, he drives around and screams for people to come troll him so he can have someone to be mad at, he's like a icecream truck for trolls some days *dee-duh-duh-duuut!* come out and troll me!
18206:47 - tjakal: I'm not a guy that absolutly have to have icecream, but I'm not so much not a troll that I don't lose conTROLL sometimes
18306:47 - ElchMoose: hell to the fucking no. he drives around doing absolutely nothing to even be much visible.. and WE operate on the rules i told you about so many times..
18406:47 - ElchMoose: and you use them too
18506:52 - tjakal is now Online.
18606:53 - ElchMoose: anyway this discussion is so pointless by now that you obviously lost the topic like 2h ago.. it'S time to stop.. I really wished it wouldnt go down that way but.. this conflict doesnt look solveable in any other way than just saying that we are all done and move on. you proved that too. the whole thing started with you today when we asked about erin's stuff.. you immediately jump to demands on things that were supposedly resolved.. not to mention your continuous accusations towards me that are totally false and so against my own morals that i see it as another insult to even hear that thrown at me. I know you will join erin's elitist society.. so much for a leftist and anitauthoritarian that you claim to be.. also so much for the people that you can be arsed to be around them.. the list goes but lets just cut it here
18706:55 - tjakal: why does anything at all have to be decided on the fly? just sleep on it E
18806:55 - tjakal: it's all pretty silly stuff that should never have been this blown out of proportion
18906:57 - tjakal: john being in command will fix all my grievences, he can remove this sociopath from the groupmanager thing soon as we request it from him
19006:57 - ElchMoose: yes i see. you really are theat emotionally stupid. You don't understand that for some people pondering this further makes them only feel like shit and the more the worse? also no, it isnt blown out of proportion seeing how deep it goes. It looks like this whole thing was actually needed to see the true face of some people around..
19106:58 - tjakal: I don't think so at all, lot of kneejerk reactions and bruised ego's is all
19206:59 - tjakal: textform also makes it way worse than it need to be, people read eachothers messages the way they wanna hear them rather than the way they where intended to sound
19307:02 - ElchMoose: really? yet all of you involved in previous arguments that (here i repeat myself) were supposedly resolved, keep at it, keep fighting it, does that look like there can be peace? we had peace, last night, but today you go on again. that way it will never end
19407:04 - tjakal: what happened was the peaceprocess was rushed, I thought it was resolved too and we'd just go back to normal, but then erin apparently had other plans
19507:05 - ElchMoose: so?
19607:05 - ElchMoose: you had to jump to your own demands.
19707:05 - ElchMoose: there is never enough for y'all..
19807:05 - tjakal: thing is you can tell me to fuck off and eat dirt etc and nothing very bad will happen, but use words like that on erin in anger and I don't think they're forgiven in the first place
19907:08 - tjakal: well I gave you ample time to consider it E, ofc I'm not gonna sit in a channel where one person get to dicatete his own rules and how they're being followed when I disagree with that persons judgements so wholeheartedly as I did with this whole jak being mia thing
20007:08 - ElchMoose: erin is another issue. or actually he resolved himself, he just proven that last night he was a lying cunt trying to force his will..
20107:09 - tjakal: you paint a very dark and unfair image of him really
20207:09 - ElchMoose: okay fuck off you dense fucking cunt, I NEVER FUCKING MISUSED ANY DAMN POWERS AND THERE IS NO REASONING WITH YOU.
20307:10 - tjakal: never said you did, but you often tell people to shut up, and you get emotional and angry fast, if you act like that while holding admin over a group, makes me not wanna be part of that group
20407:10 - ElchMoose: no no no no no
20507:11 - ElchMoose: you KEEP SAYING I DID YOU KEEP ACCUSING ME OF BEING POWERHUNGRY YOU SAY YOU DONT TRUST ME.. what else more do you need, srsly this whole fking thing is enough of an insult to never speak again.
20607:12 - tjakal: didn't say I don't trust you, said I don't trust you to lead - big difference
20707:14 - ElchMoose: for me it'S all the same, as i will lead when there's a need for a leader.. and you know it and you hate it and you can just fuck off. we are discussing this for almost 6h, only digging up worse crap.. what's the point in continuing?
20807:16 - tjakal: I think we've learned a lot about one anothers thinking in this time, as such it's not wasted
20907:16 - tjakal: you're angry at me now, I get it. but give it some time and it'll all be good
21007:17 - ElchMoose: too much. i know you are broken beyond repair, selfish, sadistic, emotionally retarded, the list goes on..
21107:17 - tjakal: not acting while you are angry is the lesson to take home from all this imo
21207:17 - ElchMoose: fuck off seriously stop fucking smartassing whenever you can
21307:20 - tjakal: I can't E, it's just who I am. And being cool calm collected while someone else is raging always annoys the living shit out of people. But down the road when they look back at the encounter they usually don't think less of you for keeping your head
21407:24 - ElchMoose: here is the thing mr smartass, you havent even ever experienced me totally pissed, and i hope you dont.. "heated" is one thing, but angry nah, far from that, emotionally exhausted, sad and depressed? totally.. and all you try to prove for the last couple of hours is that you are calm.. this was pretty much contentless on your side for long..