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61
700:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,091
8"Katharine Teresa Gun,
9
102
1100:00:59,091 --> 00:01:00,558
12"you are charged with an offence
13
143
1500:01:00,559 --> 00:01:03,030
16"contrary to Section 1,
17Subsection 1
18
194
2000:01:04,030 --> 00:01:08,232
21"of the Official Secrets Act
22of 1989
23
245
2500:01:08,233 --> 00:01:11,169
26"and that you did knowingly
27and intentionally
28
296
3000:01:11,170 --> 00:01:13,972
31"disclose top secret
32intelligence information
33
347
3500:01:13,973 --> 00:01:15,177
36"contrary to the said act."
37
388
3900:01:18,177 --> 00:01:20,711
40How do you plead?
41
429
4300:01:20,712 --> 00:01:22,762
44Guilty or not guilty?
45
4610
4700:01:40,533 --> 00:01:43,533
48What?
49
5011
5100:01:40,533 --> 00:01:43,234
52The neighbors will hear.
53
5412
5500:01:43,235 --> 00:01:44,742
56Let's move over.
57
5813
5900:01:50,742 --> 00:01:52,742
60Better?
61
6214
6300:01:50,742 --> 00:01:52,687
64Better.
65
6615
6700:02:00,687 --> 00:02:03,367
68And what about
69the situation
70of persuading the people?
71
7216
7300:02:04,022 --> 00:02:05,324
74Because it's very,
75to put it mildly
76
7717
7800:02:05,325 --> 00:02:07,991
79uncomfortable to go to war
80with 73% against.
81
8218
8300:02:07,992 --> 00:02:10,895
84If people are being asked
85today do you support a war,
86
8719
8800:02:10,896 --> 00:02:14,198
89my answer to that
90is we're not at war today.
91
9220
9300:02:14,199 --> 00:02:16,435
94I think especially,
95obviously, if the UN pass
96
9721
9800:02:16,436 --> 00:02:18,068
99the second resolution,
100as I believe they will
101
10222
10300:02:18,069 --> 00:02:20,538
104if the inspectors carry on
105saying he's not cooperating,
106
10723
10800:02:20,539 --> 00:02:22,473
109I think public opinion
110is in a different place.
111
11224
11300:02:22,474 --> 00:02:25,243
114When your correspondent
115was saying
116
11725
11800:02:25,244 --> 00:02:27,846
119the war is inevitable,
120war is not inevitable.
121
12226
12300:02:27,847 --> 00:02:29,614
124It depends on Saddam.
125
12627
12700:02:29,615 --> 00:02:31,055
128If he cooperates
129with the inspectors,
130
13128
13200:02:32,018 --> 00:02:34,318
133if he says
134how much material he's got,
135
13629
13700:02:34,319 --> 00:02:36,254
138if he cooperates fully
139with them,
140
14130
14200:02:36,255 --> 00:02:37,356
143then the issue's over.
144
14531
14600:02:37,357 --> 00:02:38,990
147But he's not doing that
148at the moment.
149
15032
15100:02:38,991 --> 00:02:40,792
152Bloody liar.
153
15433
15500:02:40,793 --> 00:02:42,626
156They're all bloody liars.
157
15834
15900:02:42,627 --> 00:02:44,228
160You know, actually,
161I don't think they are.
162
16335
16400:02:44,229 --> 00:02:45,864
165I don't think the weapons
166inspectors are lying.
167
16836
16900:02:45,865 --> 00:02:47,232
170This and international terrorism
171
17237
17300:02:47,233 --> 00:02:49,067
174are the two
175big security threats.
176
17738
17800:02:49,068 --> 00:02:50,568
179Want coffee?
180
18139
18200:02:50,569 --> 00:02:52,037
183No, thanks.
184
18540
18600:02:52,038 --> 00:02:54,773
187We were told,
188we were given to understand
189
19041
19100:02:54,774 --> 00:02:57,141
192that what these inspectors
193were gonna come up with was
194
19542
19600:02:57,142 --> 00:03:00,946
197evidence of weapons
198of mass destruction,
199
20043
20100:03:00,947 --> 00:03:02,579
202chemical,
203biological and nuclear.
204
20544
20600:03:02,580 --> 00:03:05,483
207What we know is that
208he has this material.
209
21045
21100:03:05,484 --> 00:03:07,552
212Oh, my God,
213we don't know that.
214We don't know that.
215
21646
21700:03:07,553 --> 00:03:09,113
218I mean, he just keeps
219repeating the lie.
220
22147
22200:03:10,022 --> 00:03:12,357
223You sure it's a lie?
224Saddam's a psychopath.
225
22648
22700:03:12,358 --> 00:03:13,657
228Yeah, well, just because
229you're the Prime Minister,
230
23149
23200:03:13,658 --> 00:03:15,494
233it doesn't mean you get
234to make up your own facts.
235
23650
23700:03:15,495 --> 00:03:17,294
238Do you think you have
239the goods on him now?
240
24151
24200:03:17,295 --> 00:03:19,897
243I've got no doubt at all that
244he's developing these weapons
245
24652
24700:03:19,898 --> 00:03:21,946
248and that he poses a threat.
249
25053
25100:03:33,946 --> 00:03:35,946
252Be at the cafe by 4:00.
253
25454
25500:03:33,946 --> 00:03:35,847
256I can fetch you at 5:00.
257
25855
25900:03:35,848 --> 00:03:38,216
260No, no, no. I was gonna
261get the bus. I love you.
262
26356
26400:03:38,217 --> 00:03:39,222
265Love you.
266
26757
26800:03:51,263 --> 00:03:52,363
269Yes.
270
27158
27200:03:52,364 --> 00:03:54,698
273You know he has a place
274in Devon.
275
27659
27700:03:54,699 --> 00:03:57,268
278He wants to
279take me surfing
280with his dog.
281
28260
28300:03:57,269 --> 00:03:59,269
284Is that a bad thing?
285
28661
28700:03:57,269 --> 00:03:59,237
288No, it's a great dog.
289
29062
29100:03:59,238 --> 00:04:00,304
292Okay.
293
29463
29500:04:00,305 --> 00:04:01,638
296When was the last time
297you got away?
298
29964
30000:04:01,639 --> 00:04:03,208
301Oh, don't know,
302three or four weeks ago.
303
30465
30500:04:03,209 --> 00:04:04,609
306We went hiking in Yorkshire.
307
30866
30900:04:04,610 --> 00:04:06,678
310Oh. Shall we all
311go hiking together?
312
31367
31400:04:06,679 --> 00:04:08,780
315Yeah, that would
316be lovely. With the dog?
317
31868
31900:04:08,781 --> 00:04:09,781
320Mmm.
321
32269
32300:04:17,589 --> 00:04:18,795
324Oh!
325
32670
32700:04:22,795 --> 00:04:25,063
328Oh, thank you.
329
33071
33100:04:25,064 --> 00:04:26,233
332I'm starving.
333
33472
33500:04:28,233 --> 00:04:30,335
336I've been here
337since 5:00,
338
33973
34000:04:30,336 --> 00:04:32,136
341listening to
342a Russian embassy staffer
343
34474
34500:04:32,137 --> 00:04:34,371
346trying to bribe
347a North Korean defector
348
34975
35000:04:34,372 --> 00:04:36,207
351who's been downloading
352some kinky shit.
353
35476
35500:04:36,208 --> 00:04:37,708
356Very arousing few hours.
357
35877
35900:04:37,709 --> 00:04:39,244
360You're disgusting.
361
36278
36300:04:39,245 --> 00:04:41,278
364It's for
365the Queen and country.
366
36779
36800:04:41,279 --> 00:04:42,946
369MI6 thought the Korean
370was one of ours.
371
37280
37300:04:42,947 --> 00:04:44,282
374I just proved he's not.
375
37681
37700:04:44,283 --> 00:04:47,417
378GCHQ, 1. MI6, 0.
379
38082
38100:04:47,418 --> 00:04:48,720
382Katharine.
383
38483
38500:04:48,721 --> 00:04:50,689
386I need your Beijing report
387for the Foreign Office.
388
38984
39000:04:50,690 --> 00:04:52,724
391They start trade talks
392next week.
393
39485
39500:04:52,725 --> 00:04:53,964
396Yeah, on it.
397
39886
39900:05:40,673 --> 00:05:42,707
400"As you've likely heard by now
401
40287
40300:05:42,708 --> 00:05:44,975
404"the Agency is mounting a surge
405
40688
40700:05:44,976 --> 00:05:48,546
408"particularly directed at the
409UN Security Council members
410
41189
41200:05:48,547 --> 00:05:50,915
413"minus US and Great Britain,
414of course
415
41690
41700:05:50,916 --> 00:05:54,118
418"for insights as to how
419membership is reacting
420
42191
42200:05:54,119 --> 00:05:56,453
423"to the ongoing debate RE Iraq.
424
42592
42600:05:56,454 --> 00:05:59,857
427"That means
428a QRC surge effort to revive,
429
43093
43100:05:59,858 --> 00:06:04,129
432"create efforts against
433UN Security Council members,
434
43594
43600:06:04,130 --> 00:06:06,033
437"Angola, Cameroon,
438
43995
44000:06:07,033 --> 00:06:10,747
441"Chile, Bulgaria and Guinea."
442
44396
44400:06:20,747 --> 00:06:21,982
445Andy.
446
44797
44800:06:22,982 --> 00:06:24,552
449Did you get this NSA e-mail?
450
45198
45200:06:26,552 --> 00:06:28,253
453Are the Yanks
454really asking us
455to dig up personal shit
456
45799
45800:06:28,254 --> 00:06:30,722
459on UN Security Council
460delegates?
461
462100
46300:06:30,723 --> 00:06:33,256
464"They want
465the whole gamut of info
466
467101
46800:06:33,257 --> 00:06:35,458
469"that could give
470US policy makers an edge
471
472102
47300:06:35,459 --> 00:06:38,429
474"in obtaining results
475favorable to US goals."
476
477103
47800:06:38,430 --> 00:06:40,799
479Christ, they wanna fix the vote.
480
481104
48200:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,600
483"This effort will probably
484peak in the middle
485of next week
486
487105
48800:06:43,601 --> 00:06:46,037
489"following the Secretary
490of State's presentation
491
492106
49300:06:46,038 --> 00:06:47,209
494"to the UN Security Council."
495
496107
49700:06:50,209 --> 00:06:52,477
498Powell's gonna argue for war.
499
500108
50100:06:52,478 --> 00:06:54,177
502And they're gonna
503blackmail
504the smaller nations
505
506109
50700:06:54,178 --> 00:06:56,914
508to make sure
509they get it. Fuck.
510
511110
51200:06:56,915 --> 00:06:59,417
513Excuse me.
514Question.
515
516111
51700:06:59,418 --> 00:07:00,484
518Yeah.
519
520112
52100:07:05,456 --> 00:07:08,559
522Uh, this NSA memo,
523our people approved it?
524
525113
52600:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,261
527Yes, that's why
528it's been forwarded.
529
530114
53100:07:10,262 --> 00:07:13,431
532The Americans want us
533to help them get
534a UN resolution for war?
535
536115
53700:07:13,432 --> 00:07:15,165
538By next week?
539
540116
54100:07:15,166 --> 00:07:17,637
542It's a joint UK/USA operation.
543
544117
54500:07:18,637 --> 00:07:20,812
546UKUSA. Right.
547Got it.
548
549118
55000:07:27,812 --> 00:07:30,750
551Hey,
552ours not to reason why.
553
554119
55500:07:31,750 --> 00:07:33,318
556Everything good today,
557Mrs. Archer?
558
559120
56000:07:33,319 --> 00:07:35,352
561Yes, thank you.
562Very good.
563Very, very good.
564
565121
56600:07:35,353 --> 00:07:36,921
567I'll see you again
568tomorrow, yes?
569
570122
57100:07:36,922 --> 00:07:37,922
572Yes.
573
574123
57500:07:39,125 --> 00:07:40,492
576Thank you, dear.
577
578124
57900:07:41,492 --> 00:07:43,492
580Hey.
581
582125
58300:07:41,492 --> 00:07:43,165
584Hey.
585
586126
58700:07:46,165 --> 00:07:47,767
588You okay?
589
590127
59100:07:48,767 --> 00:07:51,535
592Yeah, it's been a long day.
593
594128
59500:07:51,536 --> 00:07:54,873
596I need ten minutes.
597Want something to eat?
598
599129
60000:07:54,874 --> 00:07:55,875
601No.
602
603130
60400:07:56,875 --> 00:07:58,342
605You working this weekend?
606
607131
60800:07:58,343 --> 00:08:00,111
609Could we go somewhere,
610get out of town?
611
612132
61300:08:00,112 --> 00:08:03,181
614Sorry, janum,
615I'll get next weekend
616for sure.
617
618133
61900:08:03,182 --> 00:08:06,249
620A question
621for the President if I may.
622
623134
62400:08:06,250 --> 00:08:10,388
625What is the status,
626in your view,
627of any second resolution?
628
629135
63000:08:10,389 --> 00:08:11,989
631Is it something
632that you think is worth
633
634136
63500:08:11,990 --> 00:08:15,960
636spending time and energy
637trying to assemble?
638
639137
64000:08:15,961 --> 00:08:17,695
641Just let me reiterate
642what I just said.
643
644138
64500:08:17,696 --> 00:08:19,216
646This is a matter of weeks,
647not months.
648
649139
65000:08:21,100 --> 00:08:23,768
651Any attempt to drag
652the process on for months
653
654140
65500:08:23,769 --> 00:08:25,703
656will be resisted
657by the United States.
658
659141
66000:08:25,704 --> 00:08:28,704
661Can we watch something else?
662
663142
66400:08:25,704 --> 00:08:28,239
665No, no, this is important.
666
667143
66800:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,009
669Secretary Powell
670will make a strong case
671
672144
67300:08:32,009 --> 00:08:35,247
674about the danger
675of an armed Saddam Hussein
676
677145
67800:08:35,248 --> 00:08:38,383
679and he will also talk
680about Al-Qaeda links.
681
682146
68300:08:38,384 --> 00:08:40,218
684Come on, there are
685no credible links
686
687147
68800:08:40,219 --> 00:08:41,686
689between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.
690
691148
69200:08:41,687 --> 00:08:43,521
693...really do portend
694a danger...
695
696149
69700:08:43,522 --> 00:08:44,522
698I'll turn it off.
699
700150
70100:08:43,522 --> 00:08:44,955
702No, no, no, no, no.
703
704151
70500:08:44,956 --> 00:08:46,056
706Please, I need to watch this.
707
708152
70900:08:46,057 --> 00:08:47,425
710I need to know
711what they're saying.
712
713153
71400:08:47,426 --> 00:08:49,627
715I mean, yes.
716Yes, Saddam
717is a dictator,
718
719154
72000:08:49,628 --> 00:08:51,095
721but he is not a religious nut.
722
723155
72400:08:51,096 --> 00:08:53,431
725I mean, why would
726he risk arming Al-Qaeda
727
728156
72900:08:53,432 --> 00:08:56,367
730and have them
731turn against him?
732It doesn't make any sense!
733
734157
73500:08:56,368 --> 00:08:57,634
736Fine, but yelling at the TV
737
738158
73900:08:57,635 --> 00:08:59,470
740isn't going to make
741any difference.
742
743159
74400:08:59,471 --> 00:09:02,373
745They can't bloody hear you.
746
747160
74800:09:02,374 --> 00:09:03,374
749Where you going?
750
751161
75200:09:02,374 --> 00:09:03,907
753To read a book.
754
755162
75600:09:03,908 --> 00:09:06,210
757You see, my vision
758shifted dramatically
759
760163
76100:09:06,211 --> 00:09:07,711
762after September 11.
763
764164
76500:09:07,712 --> 00:09:09,080
766I realized
767the world has changed.
768
769165
77000:09:09,081 --> 00:09:11,614
771My most important obligation
772is to protect
773
774166
77500:09:11,615 --> 00:09:13,784
776the American people
777from further harm.
778
779167
78000:09:13,785 --> 00:09:15,554
781And I will do that.
782
783168
78400:09:16,554 --> 00:09:17,554
785Thank you all very much.
786
787169
78800:09:26,798 --> 00:09:29,798
789Love you.
790
791170
79200:09:26,798 --> 00:09:29,133
793Love you.
794
795171
79600:09:29,134 --> 00:09:31,336
797Don't forget
798to check in
799at the station.
800
801172
80200:09:32,336 --> 00:09:33,937
803What are you gonna do?
804
805173
80600:09:33,938 --> 00:09:37,274
807- I don't know.
808- Read a book.
809
810174
81100:09:37,275 --> 00:09:38,514
812I'll be back
813by 7:00 latest.
814
815175
81600:09:54,493 --> 00:09:55,993
817Mr. Gun. Signing in?
818
819176
82000:09:55,994 --> 00:09:57,494
821Yes, thank you.
822
823177
82400:10:02,234 --> 00:10:04,302
825When will you know
826if you can stay?
827
828178
82900:10:04,303 --> 00:10:05,637
830They don't say.
831
832179
83300:10:05,638 --> 00:10:07,205
834Could be weeks.
835Could be months.
836
837180
83800:10:07,206 --> 00:10:09,206
839You never know
840with immigration,
841do you?
842
843181
84400:10:09,207 --> 00:10:10,207
845I know.
846
847182
84800:10:10,208 --> 00:10:11,242
849Thank you.
850
851183
85200:10:11,243 --> 00:10:12,745
853Hi, Jasmine, it's Kath.
854
855184
85600:10:13,745 --> 00:10:15,014
857Uh, are you around today?
858
859185
86000:10:16,014 --> 00:10:18,621
861I'd love to come and see you.
862
863186
86400:10:23,621 --> 00:10:25,621
865Kath.
866
867187
86800:10:23,621 --> 00:10:25,255
869Hi.
870
871188
87200:10:25,256 --> 00:10:27,726
873Oh, come here.
874
875189
87600:10:28,726 --> 00:10:30,260
877Hello.
878
879190
88000:10:30,261 --> 00:10:32,263
881Targeting who?
882
883191
88400:10:32,264 --> 00:10:34,599
885The UN Security Council.
886
887192
88800:10:34,600 --> 00:10:35,966
889Particularly
890the non-permanent members
891
892193
89300:10:35,967 --> 00:10:38,036
894who could swing the vote
895in favor of war.
896
897194
89800:10:38,037 --> 00:10:39,340
899Jesus.
900
901195
90200:10:41,340 --> 00:10:43,641
903Maybe it's time to quit.
904
905196
90600:10:43,642 --> 00:10:45,308
907You know, they say
908if you stay at GCHQ
909
910197
91100:10:45,309 --> 00:10:47,978
912for more than five years,
913you never leave.
914
915198
91600:10:47,979 --> 00:10:49,747
917I've still got two to go then.
918
919199
92000:10:49,748 --> 00:10:51,581
921So you've still
922got a conscience.
923
924200
92500:10:53,884 --> 00:10:55,484
926Are you still organizing
927against the war?
928
929201
93000:10:59,091 --> 00:11:01,859
931Does GCHQ have a problem
932with that?
933
934202
93500:11:01,860 --> 00:11:03,360
936What? No.
937
938203
93900:11:03,361 --> 00:11:04,732
940Give me your phone.
941
942204
94300:11:07,732 --> 00:11:10,533
944I've already
945taken the battery out.
946
947205
94800:11:10,534 --> 00:11:12,034
949I called you from a payphone.
950
951206
95200:11:12,035 --> 00:11:13,176
953Sorry.
954
955207
95600:11:17,176 --> 00:11:18,179
957Go on.
958
959208
96000:11:22,179 --> 00:11:23,216
961I just thought...
962
963209
96400:11:26,216 --> 00:11:28,020
965...if I could get you
966a copy of the memo,
967
968210
96900:11:29,020 --> 00:11:31,788
970then maybe you could get
971somebody to look it over.
972
973211
97400:11:31,789 --> 00:11:33,056
975I don't know, a journalist,
976
977212
97800:11:33,057 --> 00:11:34,337
979someone
980in the anti-war movement.
981
982213
98300:11:35,027 --> 00:11:37,195
984Look, if the press think
985it's nothing, fine.
986
987214
98800:11:37,196 --> 00:11:39,231
989At least my conscience is clear.
990
991215
99200:11:40,231 --> 00:11:42,266
993Your conscience?
994
995216
99600:11:42,267 --> 00:11:44,936
997Kat, you're asking me
998to collude in a breach
999
1000217
100100:11:44,937 --> 00:11:48,942
1002of the Official Secrets Act.
1003Some call that treason.
1004
1005218
100600:11:49,942 --> 00:11:52,011
1007I am not trying to overthrow
1008my government.
1009
1010219
101100:11:53,011 --> 00:11:57,148
1012I just think if someone
1013in the press saw it,
1014
1015220
101600:11:57,149 --> 00:11:59,617
1017they might ask more questions
1018about what the Americans
1019
1020221
102100:11:59,618 --> 00:12:01,075
1022are asking this country to do.
1023
1024222
102500:12:23,075 --> 00:12:25,810
1026Hey, Kat,
1027they're sending me
1028and Dan to London
1029
1030223
103100:12:25,811 --> 00:12:27,644
1032to learn Farsi.
1033
1034224
103500:12:27,645 --> 00:12:29,846
1036Wow, Farsi. Congrats.
1037
1038225
103900:12:29,847 --> 00:12:31,847
1040How many languages now?
1041
1042226
104300:12:29,847 --> 00:12:31,015
1044Eight.
1045
1046227
104700:12:32,015 --> 00:12:33,618
1048She's a freakin' super spy.
1049
1050228
105100:12:33,619 --> 00:12:35,518
1052Andy, where's
1053my Pyongyang report?
1054
1055229
105600:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,519
1057Ah, one more hour.
1058
1059230
106000:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,657
1061Yeah, just get it done.
1062
1063231
106400:12:38,657 --> 00:12:40,657
1065When do you leave?
1066
1067232
106800:12:38,657 --> 00:12:40,624
1069Two weeks.
1070
1071233
107200:12:40,625 --> 00:12:42,859
1073You'll have to come visit me.
1074
1075234
107600:14:30,368 --> 00:14:32,436
1077Is that
1078the Foreign Office report?
1079
1080235
108100:14:32,437 --> 00:14:34,437
1082Uh, it's a rough draft.
1083
1084236
108500:14:32,437 --> 00:14:34,205
1086Well, finish it.
1087
1088237
108900:14:34,206 --> 00:14:35,840
1090Defense section
1091needs extra hands.
1092
1093238
109400:14:35,841 --> 00:14:37,774
1095I said I'd send you
1096over there this afternoon.
1097
1098239
109900:14:37,775 --> 00:14:38,775
1100Okay, will do.
1101
1102240
110300:14:54,292 --> 00:14:56,659
1104What we're giving you
1105our facts and conclusions
1106
1107241
110800:14:56,660 --> 00:14:59,463
1109based on solid intelligence.
1110
1111242
111200:14:59,464 --> 00:15:03,334
1113The issue before us
1114is not how much time
1115
1116243
111700:15:03,335 --> 00:15:06,303
1118we are willing to give
1119the inspectors,
1120
1121244
112200:15:06,304 --> 00:15:09,706
1123but how much longer
1124are we willing to put up
1125
1126245
112700:15:09,707 --> 00:15:14,845
1128with Iraq's non-compliance
1129before we as a council,
1130
1131246
113200:15:14,846 --> 00:15:18,415
1133we as United Nations say enough.
1134
1135247
113600:15:18,416 --> 00:15:19,452
1137Enough.
1138
1139248
114000:15:20,452 --> 00:15:23,186
1141We have first-hand descriptions
1142
1143249
114400:15:23,187 --> 00:15:27,557
1145of biological weapons
1146factories on wheels
1147and on rails.
1148
1149250
115000:15:27,558 --> 00:15:30,460
1151The trucks and train cars
1152are easily moved
1153
1154251
115500:15:30,461 --> 00:15:34,065
1156and are designed to evade
1157detection by inspectors.
1158
1159252
116000:15:34,066 --> 00:15:36,167
1161Although Iraq's
1162mobile production program
1163
1164253
116500:15:36,168 --> 00:15:38,168
1166began in mid-1990s,
1167
1168254
116900:15:38,169 --> 00:15:42,072
1170UN inspectors at the time
1171only had vague hints
1172
1173255
117400:15:42,073 --> 00:15:43,907
1175of such programs.
1176
1177256
117800:15:43,908 --> 00:15:47,177
1179Confirmation came later
1180in the year 2000.
1181
1182257
118300:15:47,178 --> 00:15:49,846
1184The source was an eyewitness.
1185
1186258
118700:15:49,847 --> 00:15:51,315
1188An Iraqi chemical engineer
1189
1190259
119100:15:51,316 --> 00:15:53,584
1192who supervised
1193one of these facilities.
1194
1195260
119600:15:53,585 --> 00:15:54,585
1197Hi.
1198
1199261
120000:15:55,553 --> 00:15:56,556
1201Hi.
1202
1203262
120400:15:57,556 --> 00:16:00,524
1205I'm gonna watch some football.
1206Do you mind?
1207
1208263
120900:16:00,525 --> 00:16:01,525
1210No. Go for it.
1211
1212264
121300:16:54,446 --> 00:16:58,249
1214From the north,
1215the south,
1216the east and the west,
1217
1218265
121900:16:58,250 --> 00:17:00,151
1220from the left, the right
1221
1222266
122300:17:00,152 --> 00:17:02,452
1224from the radical
1225to the uncommitted
1226
1227267
122800:17:02,453 --> 00:17:03,754
1229they came.
1230
1231268
123200:17:05,423 --> 00:17:07,791
1233Well, we can argue
1234forever about the
1235validity of opinion polls,
1236
1237269
123800:17:07,792 --> 00:17:10,160
1239but what surely matters today
1240
1241270
124200:17:10,161 --> 00:17:12,729
1243is that this proposed war
1244by Britain
1245
1246271
124700:17:12,730 --> 00:17:15,499
1248is historically unpopular
1249
1250272
125100:17:15,500 --> 00:17:17,768
1252and the mother of all
1253focus groups has descended.
1254
1255273
125600:17:17,769 --> 00:17:20,671
1257Hey, Martin.
1258We're now doing
1259some real reporting.
1260
1261274
126200:17:20,672 --> 00:17:23,207
1263It's huge.
1264Police are saying
1265over 500,000.
1266
1267275
126800:17:23,208 --> 00:17:25,275
1269Organizers are saying
1270over two million.
1271
1272276
127300:17:25,276 --> 00:17:26,844
1274So it will be a million then?
1275
1276277
127700:17:26,845 --> 00:17:28,545
1278Well, it's everywhere.
1279Every country.
1280
1281278
128200:17:28,546 --> 00:17:30,980
1283Biggest demonstration
1284in human history.
1285
1286279
128700:17:30,981 --> 00:17:33,584
1288Roger, I filed this story
1289seven times.
1290
1291280
129200:17:33,585 --> 00:17:36,520
1293And seven times
1294I have told you
1295I'm not going to print it.
1296
1297281
129800:17:36,521 --> 00:17:38,121
1299Ed, this paper supports the war.
1300
1301282
130200:17:38,122 --> 00:17:39,723
1303Our sources support
1304the war, Kamal.
1305
1306283
130700:17:39,724 --> 00:17:42,226
1308All I'm asking is that
1309mine be given equal time.
1310
1311284
131200:17:42,227 --> 00:17:43,227
1313Fair enough.
1314
1315285
131600:17:42,227 --> 00:17:43,326
1317Thank you.
1318
1319286
132000:17:43,327 --> 00:17:44,495
1321Well,
1322what do they say, Ed?
1323
1324287
132500:17:44,496 --> 00:17:46,396
1326That intelligence
1327is being manipulated
1328
1329288
133000:17:46,397 --> 00:17:48,900
1331to support an invasion
1332that Bush Junior's
1333been pushing for
1334
1335289
133600:17:48,901 --> 00:17:51,401
1337ever since Saddam
1338tried to kill
1339his daddy in '93.
1340
1341290
134200:17:51,402 --> 00:17:53,237
1343Oh, come on,
1344your source is retired.
1345
1346291
134700:17:53,238 --> 00:17:54,238
1348My source is ex-CIA!
1349
1350292
135100:17:55,006 --> 00:17:56,472
1352He talks to agents every day
1353
1354293
135500:17:56,473 --> 00:17:58,241
1356and he's talking to me
1357on the record!
1358
1359294
136000:17:58,242 --> 00:18:01,377
1361Named source! Christ!
1362
1363295
136400:18:01,378 --> 00:18:03,480
1365If you're gonna encourage
1366a country to go to war,
1367
1368296
136900:18:03,481 --> 00:18:05,481
1370perhaps you should spend
1371some time on
1372the front lines yourself!
1373
1374297
137500:18:05,482 --> 00:18:06,982
1376That is
1377a cheap shot, Ed.
1378
1379298
138000:18:06,983 --> 00:18:08,185
1381Is it?
1382
1383299
138400:18:08,186 --> 00:18:09,420
1385We're the press, for God's sake,
1386
1387300
138800:18:09,421 --> 00:18:11,422
1389not a fucking PR agency
1390for Tony Blair.
1391
1392301
139300:18:11,423 --> 00:18:12,423
1394That's enough!
1395
1396302
139700:18:12,424 --> 00:18:13,826
1398All right!
1399
1400303
140100:18:14,826 --> 00:18:16,360
1402You, go back to the States.
1403
1404304
140500:18:16,361 --> 00:18:17,827
1406I want you to find me
1407something from a source
1408
1409305
141000:18:17,828 --> 00:18:19,429
1411who hasn't already retired
1412
1413306
141400:18:19,430 --> 00:18:21,265
1415and then maybe I'll rethink it.
1416
1417307
141800:18:21,266 --> 00:18:22,866
1419You're doing
1420a great job of it.
1421We just need some more.
1422
1423308
142400:18:22,867 --> 00:18:25,670
1425Yes, Peter.
1426Fuck you very much.
1427
1428309
142900:18:25,671 --> 00:18:26,938
1430And fewer words!
1431
1432310
143300:18:26,939 --> 00:18:29,806
1434If I ask for 500,
1435don't send me 3,000!
1436
1437311
143800:18:29,807 --> 00:18:32,675
1439This paper needs to take
1440its finger out of its arse
1441
1442312
144300:18:32,676 --> 00:18:35,278
1444and stop taking
1445Tony Blair's press releases
1446
1447313
144800:18:35,279 --> 00:18:36,847
1449at face fucking value!
1450
1451314
145200:18:36,848 --> 00:18:38,848
1453Hear, hear.
1454
1455315
145600:18:36,848 --> 00:18:38,714
1457Abso-fucking-lutely.
1458
1459316
146000:18:38,715 --> 00:18:39,715
1461Christ!
1462
1463317
146400:18:39,716 --> 00:18:40,988
1465You're too bloody right.
1466
1467318
146800:18:43,988 --> 00:18:45,823
1469Brighty, where's my piece
1470
1471319
147200:18:45,824 --> 00:18:48,659
1473comparing Saddam
1474to Milosevic?
1475I need 400 words.
1476
1477320
147800:18:48,660 --> 00:18:50,995
1479Yeah. It's not really
1480a 400-word topic, Rog.
1481
1482321
148300:18:50,996 --> 00:18:53,236
1484Yeah, it is. We have a right
1485to intervene in the Balkans.
1486
1487322
148800:18:54,031 --> 00:18:55,164
1489We should do the same in Iraq.
1490
1491323
149200:18:55,165 --> 00:18:56,566
1493Iraq's a little
1494more complicated.
1495
1496324
149700:18:56,567 --> 00:18:58,067
1498You've got Suni and Shia...
1499
1500325
150100:18:58,068 --> 00:18:59,202
1502Oh, fuck Sonny and Cher!
1503
1504326
150500:18:59,203 --> 00:19:01,538
1506What is this?
1507"I got you babe?"
1508
1509327
151000:19:01,539 --> 00:19:03,779
1511Just give me 400 words
1512the average reader
1513will understand.
1514
1515328
151600:19:04,008 --> 00:19:05,942
1517Milosevic bad.
1518Saddam bad.
1519
1520329
152100:19:05,943 --> 00:19:09,113
1522Just write a fucking story.
1523Stop overthinking it.
1524
1525330
152600:19:09,114 --> 00:19:10,619
1527All right.
1528
1529331
153000:19:15,619 --> 00:19:16,586
1531That was helpful.
1532
1533332
153400:19:16,587 --> 00:19:18,389
1535Just write the piece
1536as you see it, Martin,
1537
1538333
153900:19:18,390 --> 00:19:20,891
1540and we'll cut it down later
1541if we need to, all right?
1542
1543334
154400:19:20,892 --> 00:19:22,826
1545Okay. Thank you, Peter.
1546
1547335
154800:19:26,897 --> 00:19:28,131
1549Sonny and Cher.
1550
1551336
155200:19:31,202 --> 00:19:32,670
1553Martin Bright.
1554
1555337
155600:19:32,671 --> 00:19:34,505
1557I've got something
1558you need to see.
1559
1560338
156100:19:34,506 --> 00:19:37,109
1562It's big, Martin, really big.
1563
1564339
156500:19:39,109 --> 00:19:40,116
1566Yvonne?
1567
1568340
156900:19:46,116 --> 00:19:47,183
1570Yvonne?
1571
1572341
157300:19:52,891 --> 00:19:55,992
1574Martin. So good to see you.
1575
1576342
157700:19:55,993 --> 00:19:58,127
1578In an underground car park?
1579
1580343
158100:19:58,128 --> 00:20:00,931
1582It's a little Deep Throat,
1583don't you think?
1584
1585344
158600:20:00,932 --> 00:20:02,932
1587There's no signal down here.
1588
1589345
159000:20:00,932 --> 00:20:02,336
1591Right.
1592
1593346
159400:20:05,336 --> 00:20:07,086
1595Wait till you see this.
1596
1597347
159800:20:21,086 --> 00:20:22,086
1599Who gave you this?
1600
1601348
160200:20:22,087 --> 00:20:23,653
1603Can't say.
1604
1605349
160600:20:23,654 --> 00:20:25,122
1607There's no info
1608saying who sent it.
1609
1610350
161100:20:25,123 --> 00:20:26,643
1612This could have been
1613written by anyone.
1614
1615351
161600:20:28,358 --> 00:20:29,358
1617That's who wrote it.
1618
1619352
162000:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,828
1621Well.
1622
1623353
162400:20:31,828 --> 00:20:33,363
1625Frank Koza.
1626
1627354
162800:20:33,364 --> 00:20:34,864
1629Who the fuck is Frank Koza?
1630
1631355
163200:20:34,865 --> 00:20:36,266
1633NSA.
1634
1635356
163600:20:36,267 --> 00:20:38,568
1637And this I know
1638because the letters NSA
1639
1640357
164100:20:38,569 --> 00:20:41,671
1642have been written on the back
1643with a leaky ballpoint.
1644
1645358
164600:20:41,672 --> 00:20:43,640
1647My source says
1648the header wasn't printed
1649
1650359
165100:20:43,641 --> 00:20:46,346
1652to protect the recipients
1653at GCHQ.
1654
1655360
165600:20:48,346 --> 00:20:49,412
1657When did you get it?
1658
1659361
166000:20:49,413 --> 00:20:50,413
1661Two weeks ago.
1662
1663362
166400:20:49,413 --> 00:20:50,815
1665Two weeks?
1666
1667363
166800:20:50,816 --> 00:20:53,216
1669I gave it to
1670The Mirror first.
1671Sorry.
1672
1673364
167400:20:53,217 --> 00:20:55,486
1675Jesus. Why didn't
1676they run it?
1677
1678365
167900:20:55,487 --> 00:20:56,487
1680They thought it was fake.
1681
1682366
168300:20:56,488 --> 00:20:57,721
1684No shit.
1685
1686367
168700:20:57,722 --> 00:20:59,222
1688Is your source NSA?
1689
1690368
169100:20:59,223 --> 00:21:00,757
1692No. A friend of the recipient.
1693
1694369
169500:21:00,758 --> 00:21:03,758
1696A good friend.
1697
1698370
169900:21:00,758 --> 00:21:03,160
1700A friend of a friend?
1701
1702371
170300:21:03,161 --> 00:21:06,130
1704A good friend
1705of a trusted friend.
1706
1707372
170800:21:06,131 --> 00:21:07,397
1709I'm sure it's real.
1710
1711373
171200:21:07,398 --> 00:21:09,066
1713Then why don't you
1714write the story?
1715
1716374
171700:21:09,067 --> 00:21:10,633
1718Oh, come on, Martin.
1719
1720375
172100:21:10,634 --> 00:21:13,404
1722I'm anti-war.
1723You're with The Observer.
1724
1725376
172600:21:14,404 --> 00:21:16,817
1727Just check it out.
1728
1729377
173000:21:31,122 --> 00:21:33,356
1731NSA Press Office.
1732How may I assist you?
1733
1734378
173500:21:33,357 --> 00:21:34,624
1736Yes, hi, hello there.
1737
1738379
173900:21:34,625 --> 00:21:37,294
1740This is Martin Bright
1741from The Observer in London.
1742
1743380
174400:21:37,295 --> 00:21:39,063
1745Um, I'd like to arrange
1746an interview
1747
1748381
174900:21:39,064 --> 00:21:40,730
1750with Mr. Frank Koza.
1751
1752382
175300:21:40,731 --> 00:21:43,233
1754May I speak
1755to his office, please?
1756
1757383
175800:21:43,234 --> 00:21:44,734
1759I'm sorry, Mr. Bright?
1760
1761384
176200:21:44,735 --> 00:21:46,370
1763Martin Bright, yes.
1764
1765385
176600:21:46,371 --> 00:21:47,871
1767Yes. Who did you wanna get?
1768
1769386
177000:21:47,872 --> 00:21:51,607
1771Frank Koza, "Chief of Staff,
1772Regional Targets."
1773
1774387
177500:21:51,608 --> 00:21:53,477
1776Mr. Bright, I'm afraid
1777we can't confirm
1778
1779388
178000:21:53,478 --> 00:21:55,612
1781the names of people
1782who work here.
1783
1784389
178500:21:55,613 --> 00:21:57,147
1786Could you give me
1787a little more detail
1788
1789390
179000:21:57,148 --> 00:21:58,781
1791about the story
1792you're working on?
1793
1794391
179500:21:58,782 --> 00:22:02,152
1796Uh, well, no.
1797That's something I need
1798to talk to Mr. Koza
1799
1800392
180100:22:02,153 --> 00:22:03,423
1802about directly, I'm afraid.
1803
1804393
180500:22:05,423 --> 00:22:08,258
1806Well, then I'm afraid
1807I'm not sure I can help you.
1808
1809394
181000:22:08,259 --> 00:22:09,526
1811When you have a little
1812more detail
1813
1814395
181500:22:09,527 --> 00:22:11,027
1816please feel free to call back.
1817
1818396
181900:22:12,096 --> 00:22:13,766
1820Yeah, well...
1821
1822397
182300:22:14,766 --> 00:22:16,299
1824Hello?
1825
1826398
182700:22:16,300 --> 00:22:17,800
1828You rang the NSA Press Office?
1829
1830399
183100:22:17,801 --> 00:22:19,103
1832Yeah.
1833
1834400
183500:22:19,104 --> 00:22:20,237
1836They have a press office.
1837
1838401
183900:22:20,238 --> 00:22:21,672
1840I thought that was
1841a good place to start.
1842
1843402
184400:22:21,673 --> 00:22:22,906
1845But you didn't
1846tell them anything?
1847
1848403
184900:22:22,907 --> 00:22:25,308
1850No, Peter.
1851I just asked for Frank Koza.
1852
1853404
185400:22:25,309 --> 00:22:26,777
1855Because if this is real,
1856you could go to jail
1857
1858405
185900:22:26,778 --> 00:22:29,679
1860just for having it
1861in your possession.
1862
1863406
186400:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,515
1865- I'm not letting this go.
1866- It's too good a story.
1867
1868407
186900:22:31,516 --> 00:22:32,916
1870I agree,
1871but if you get it wrong
1872
1873408
187400:22:32,917 --> 00:22:35,118
1875it will sink you,
1876it will sink the paper.
1877
1878409
187900:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,287
1880I'd like to get
1881a credible
1882intelligence expert
1883
1884410
188500:22:37,288 --> 00:22:38,568
1886to offer a view on the language.
1887
1888411
188900:22:39,023 --> 00:22:40,023
1890Yeah.
1891
1892412
189300:22:39,023 --> 00:22:40,990
1894And I thought
1895you could run it by
1896
1897413
189800:22:40,991 --> 00:22:42,461
1899your MI6 contact?
1900
1901414
190200:22:43,461 --> 00:22:45,461
1903- I don't have a MI6 contact.
1904- Sorry.
1905
1906415
190700:22:45,464 --> 00:22:47,766
1908I meant your tennis club friend.
1909
1910416
191100:22:48,766 --> 00:22:49,666
1912Sure.
1913
1914417
191500:22:49,667 --> 00:22:51,500
1916I'll take it
1917to Admiral Wilkinson.
1918
1919418
192000:22:51,501 --> 00:22:53,335
1921Be careful.
1922Before we risk
1923
1924419
192500:22:53,336 --> 00:22:55,171
1926a D-notice against publication
1927
1928420
192900:22:55,172 --> 00:22:58,976
1930I'd actually like
1931confirmation
1932that Frank Koza exists.
1933
1934421
193500:22:58,977 --> 00:23:00,443
1936Do you think it's authentic?
1937
1938422
193900:23:00,444 --> 00:23:02,179
1940Well, certainly
1941the words he used,
1942
1943423
194400:23:02,180 --> 00:23:03,881
1945"TOPI," for example,
1946
1947424
194800:23:03,882 --> 00:23:05,682
1949few outside
1950of the security apparatus
1951
1952425
195300:23:05,683 --> 00:23:06,950
1954would know what that means.
1955
1956426
195700:23:06,951 --> 00:23:08,085
1958What does it mean?
1959
1960427
196100:23:08,086 --> 00:23:10,153
1962Target of primary interest.
1963
1964428
196500:23:10,154 --> 00:23:13,623
1966And this term,
1967"QRC surge effort,"
1968
1969429
197000:23:13,624 --> 00:23:15,158
1971that's NSA military speak
1972
1973430
197400:23:15,159 --> 00:23:18,929
1975for significant
1976intensification
1977of surveillance operations.
1978
1979431
198000:23:18,930 --> 00:23:21,897
1981And this, where they ask
1982for "valuable information
1983
1984432
198500:23:21,898 --> 00:23:25,003
1986"from accesses
1987in your product lines..."
1988
1989433
199000:23:26,003 --> 00:23:29,139
1991...product lines
1992are intelligence sources.
1993
1994434
199500:23:29,140 --> 00:23:30,440
1996So it's been written by someone
1997
1998435
199900:23:30,441 --> 00:23:32,075
2000who's familiar
2001with security speak
2002
2003436
200400:23:32,076 --> 00:23:34,110
2005but that doesn't mean
2006it's definitely NSA.
2007
2008437
200900:23:34,111 --> 00:23:36,680
2010True, but there are
2011no obvious
2012amateur mistakes.
2013
2014438
201500:23:36,681 --> 00:23:38,181
2016Have you heard of Frank Koza?
2017
2018439
201900:23:38,182 --> 00:23:39,685
2020No.
2021
2022440
202300:23:41,685 --> 00:23:45,154
2024Paul, if we, if we wanted
2025to confirm that he exists...
2026
2027441
202800:23:45,155 --> 00:23:47,490
2029Oh, sorry.
2030I couldn't help you do that.
2031
2032442
203300:23:47,491 --> 00:23:48,791
2034Yeah, but if we wanted
2035to confirm that he...
2036
2037443
203800:23:48,792 --> 00:23:51,497
2039Well, my own sources
2040wouldn't ever trust me again.
2041
2042444
204300:23:52,497 --> 00:23:53,497
2044Understood.
2045
2046445
204700:23:55,266 --> 00:23:56,366
2048Understood.
2049
2050446
205100:23:59,036 --> 00:24:00,036
2052What?
2053
2054447
205500:24:00,037 --> 00:24:01,604
2056Ed, Martin Bright.
2057
2058448
205900:24:01,605 --> 00:24:03,874
2060Martin, Christ,
2061I just got back to DC.
2062
2063449
206400:24:03,875 --> 00:24:05,508
2065Sorry, Peter and I
2066have something urgent
2067
2068450
206900:24:05,509 --> 00:24:06,610
2070that we'd like to run by you.
2071
2072451
207300:24:06,611 --> 00:24:08,644
2074Are you on speaker?
2075
2076452
207700:24:08,645 --> 00:24:10,113
2078We are now. Hey...
2079
2080453
208100:24:10,114 --> 00:24:13,115
2082Peter, you need to tell Roger
2083to publish what I'm filing.
2084
2085454
208600:24:13,116 --> 00:24:16,120
2087This paper can't be seen
2088to be supporting a war
2089
2090455
209100:24:16,121 --> 00:24:17,988
2092that we should be doing
2093everything in our power
2094
2095456
209600:24:17,989 --> 00:24:19,222
2097to expose as a con.
2098
2099457
210000:24:19,223 --> 00:24:21,592
2101A neocon.
2102A giant fucking con!
2103
2104458
210500:24:21,593 --> 00:24:23,693
2106Ed, that's why
2107we're phoning.
2108We need your help.
2109
2110459
211100:24:23,694 --> 00:24:26,130
2112We have something
2113that might corroborate
2114
2115460
211600:24:26,131 --> 00:24:27,251
2117these things, you could say.
2118
2119461
212000:24:38,209 --> 00:24:39,808
2121Hey. Sorry.
2122
2123462
212400:24:41,179 --> 00:24:42,179
2125Do you wanna get lunch?
2126
2127463
212800:24:41,179 --> 00:24:42,412
2129What?
2130
2131464
213200:24:42,413 --> 00:24:44,279
2133Lunch. Eat.
2134Now. Yes.
2135
2136465
213700:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,982
2138Oh, no, I'm fine, thanks.
2139
2140466
214100:24:46,983 --> 00:24:49,983
2142Are you all right?
2143
2144467
214500:24:46,983 --> 00:24:49,252
2146Yeah. Yeah. I'm good.
2147
2148468
214900:24:49,253 --> 00:24:50,754
2150It, um...
2151
2152469
215300:24:50,755 --> 00:24:52,999
2154This new BBC poll,
2155it says that less than
2156one in ten people
2157
2158470
215900:24:53,023 --> 00:24:56,727
2160think it's right
2161to attack Iraq
2162without a UN resolution.
2163
2164471
216500:24:56,728 --> 00:24:59,563
2166Which is why that
2167memo was sent.
2168They need to twist arms.
2169
2170472
217100:24:59,564 --> 00:25:01,007
2172I don't think
2173it will make any difference.
2174
2175473
217600:25:01,031 --> 00:25:02,351
2177Most of the world
2178is against them.
2179
2180474
218100:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,069
2182You wanna eat, eat.
2183
2184475
218500:25:08,205 --> 00:25:10,985
2186National Security Agency.
2187How may I direct your call?
2188
2189476
219000:25:11,009 --> 00:25:13,677
2191Hello, I'm returning
2192Frank Koza's call.
2193
2194477
219500:25:13,678 --> 00:25:15,178
2196My secretary said it was urgent.
2197
2198478
219900:25:15,179 --> 00:25:17,314
2200I'm sorry.
2201Who are you trying to reach?
2202
2203479
220400:25:17,315 --> 00:25:19,716
2205Frank Koza.
2206Mr. Frank Koza.
2207
2208480
220900:25:19,717 --> 00:25:21,451
2210Sir, I'm sorry, there's no one
2211
2212481
221300:25:21,452 --> 00:25:23,620
2214by that name
2215in the directory, sir.
2216
2217482
221800:25:23,621 --> 00:25:27,056
2219Oh, well, then that's odd.
2220He called me.
2221
2222483
222300:25:27,057 --> 00:25:31,060
2224I'm sorry, but I'll need
2225an extension number.
2226
2227484
222800:25:31,061 --> 00:25:32,929
2229Do you have an extension number?
2230
2231485
223200:25:32,930 --> 00:25:34,198
2233Ah...
2234
2235486
223600:25:34,199 --> 00:25:36,066
2237Nah.
2238
2239487
224000:25:36,067 --> 00:25:38,535
2241Is there anything else
2242I can do for you?
2243
2244488
224500:25:38,536 --> 00:25:40,437
2246No. No.
2247
2248489
224900:25:40,438 --> 00:25:41,604
2250Thank you. Thank you.
2251
2252490
225300:25:41,605 --> 00:25:43,139
2254You have a nice day, sir.
2255
2256491
225700:25:43,140 --> 00:25:44,140
2258You too.
2259
2260492
226100:25:46,044 --> 00:25:47,076
2262Fuck off.
2263
2264493
226500:25:47,077 --> 00:25:50,948
2266So I read the weapons
2267inspector's report.
2268
2269494
227000:25:50,949 --> 00:25:52,816
2271Oh, congratulations.
2272
2273495
227400:25:52,817 --> 00:25:54,985
2275That's more
2276than most MP's ever done.
2277
2278496
227900:25:54,986 --> 00:25:56,486
2280Well, shit, that's depressing.
2281
2282497
228300:25:56,487 --> 00:25:57,886
2284Mmm-hmm. It is.
2285
2286498
228700:25:57,887 --> 00:26:00,123
2288Look, there are a few
2289pre-98 chemical weapons
2290
2291499
229200:26:00,124 --> 00:26:02,092
2293we have yet to be
2294accounted for
2295but inspectors said
2296
2297500
229800:26:02,093 --> 00:26:03,759
2299they found absolutely
2300no evidence
2301
2302501
230300:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,095
2304of an active chemical
2305or biological program.
2306
2307502
230800:26:06,096 --> 00:26:07,163
2309Correct.
2310
2311503
231200:26:07,164 --> 00:26:08,230
2313And yet Colin Powell presented
2314
2315504
231600:26:08,231 --> 00:26:09,865
2317clear evidence of mobile labs.
2318
2319505
232000:26:09,866 --> 00:26:13,303
2321His evidence may be based
2322on poor human intel
2323
2324506
232500:26:13,304 --> 00:26:14,938
2326from an Iraqi dissident.
2327
2328507
232900:26:14,939 --> 00:26:15,807
2330Really?
2331
2332508
233300:26:15,808 --> 00:26:16,906
2334The dissident isn't our product
2335
2336509
233700:26:16,907 --> 00:26:18,387
2338and should not be seen
2339as our product.
2340
2341510
234200:26:20,310 --> 00:26:21,948
2343Whose product is he then?
2344
2345511
234600:26:23,948 --> 00:26:27,116
2347Look, Peter, I didn't say this,
2348
2349512
235000:26:27,117 --> 00:26:29,653
2351but there is concern
2352in certain quarters
2353
2354513
235500:26:29,654 --> 00:26:32,823
2356that intelligence
2357may be being manipulated
2358
2359514
236000:26:32,824 --> 00:26:34,725
2361to take this country to war.
2362
2363515
236400:26:34,726 --> 00:26:36,660
2365So why don't you tell
2366your journalists
2367
2368516
236900:26:36,661 --> 00:26:38,862
2370to stop being so bloody loyal
2371to Downing Street
2372
2373517
237400:26:38,863 --> 00:26:40,567
2375and start doing their job?
2376
2377518
237800:26:42,567 --> 00:26:43,570
2379Okay.
2380
2381519
238200:26:47,570 --> 00:26:50,406
2383Okay, what if I had
2384evidence that the NSA
2385
2386520
238700:26:50,407 --> 00:26:53,443
2388requested GCHQ
2389to help monitor
2390private communications
2391
2392521
239300:26:53,444 --> 00:26:55,778
2394of the UN Security Council
2395delegates?
2396
2397522
239800:26:55,779 --> 00:26:57,779
2399To what end?
2400
2401523
240200:26:55,779 --> 00:26:57,581
2403Bluntly?
2404
2405524
240600:26:57,582 --> 00:26:59,783
2407To blackmail them
2408into voting for war.
2409
2410525
241100:26:59,784 --> 00:27:01,418
2412I'm not with GCHQ.
2413
2414526
241500:27:01,419 --> 00:27:03,252
2416You're MI6,
2417you're on the same team.
2418
2419527
242000:27:03,253 --> 00:27:04,319
2421How did you hear about this?
2422
2423528
242400:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,122
2425A UN resolution for war
2426
2427529
242800:27:06,123 --> 00:27:08,592
2429would cover everyone's arse,
2430wouldn't it?
2431
2432530
243300:27:08,593 --> 00:27:11,493
2434No more asking your team
2435to sex up evidence of WMDs
2436
2437531
243800:27:11,494 --> 00:27:14,631
2439or the back-dodgy claims
2440that Britain was
2441about to be attacked
2442
2443532
244400:27:14,632 --> 00:27:16,666
2445by Iraq within 45 minutes.
2446
2447533
244800:27:16,667 --> 00:27:18,768
2449And no chance of anyone
2450being charged with a war crime
2451
2452534
245300:27:18,769 --> 00:27:20,105
2454if it all goes tits up.
2455
2456535
245700:27:22,105 --> 00:27:23,539
2458What are you asking me, Peter?
2459
2460536
246100:27:23,540 --> 00:27:26,610
2462I'm asking if you can confirm
2463
2464537
246500:27:26,611 --> 00:27:30,247
2466whether the NSA instructed GCHQ
2467
2468538
246900:27:30,248 --> 00:27:33,352
2470to assist in spying
2471on Security Council
2472delegates?
2473
2474539
247500:27:34,352 --> 00:27:36,020
2476You know I can't answer that.
2477
2478540
247900:27:37,020 --> 00:27:39,655
2480To do so would put me
2481in breach of the
2482Official Secrets Act.
2483
2484541
248500:27:39,656 --> 00:27:42,028
2486To deny it would not.
2487
2488542
248900:27:44,028 --> 00:27:47,169
2490Well, I can neither confirm
2491nor deny.
2492
2493543
249400:27:52,169 --> 00:27:53,372
2495Okay.
2496
2497544
249800:27:54,372 --> 00:27:55,641
2499Let's play.
2500
2501545
250200:27:56,641 --> 00:27:57,641
2503Change ends, idiot.
2504
2505546
250600:27:57,642 --> 00:27:58,744
2507Yes.
2508
2509547
251000:28:00,744 --> 00:28:02,312
2511Your serve.
2512
2513548
251400:28:02,313 --> 00:28:05,315
2515So the head of the CIA
2516tells Bush it's a slam dunk
2517
2518549
251900:28:05,316 --> 00:28:08,483
2520that Saddam has weapons
2521of mass destruction.
2522
2523550
252400:28:08,484 --> 00:28:10,484
2525A slam dunk.
2526
2527551
252800:28:08,484 --> 00:28:10,386
2529Yes.
2530
2531552
253200:28:10,387 --> 00:28:12,387
2533And that's not true?
2534
2535553
253600:28:10,387 --> 00:28:12,355
2537No.
2538
2539554
254000:28:12,356 --> 00:28:14,990
2541Meaning Saddam definitely
2542does not have weapons
2543
2544555
254500:28:14,991 --> 00:28:17,160
2546of mass destruction
2547or he may not.
2548
2549556
255000:28:17,161 --> 00:28:20,729
2551Meaning the intelligence
2552is sketchy at best
2553
2554557
255500:28:20,730 --> 00:28:22,499
2556and manufactured at worst.
2557
2558558
255900:28:22,500 --> 00:28:24,701
2560And Tenet knows that?
2561
2562559
256300:28:24,702 --> 00:28:27,403
2564I've no doubt he knows that.
2565
2566560
256700:28:27,404 --> 00:28:29,572
2568I was with the agency 24 years.
2569
2570561
257100:28:29,573 --> 00:28:33,242
2572I can tell you,
2573folks over there
2574are really angry about this.
2575
2576562
257700:28:33,243 --> 00:28:34,978
2578Why?
2579
2580563
258100:28:34,979 --> 00:28:36,211
2582Why?
2583
2584564
258500:28:36,212 --> 00:28:38,214
2586Because the majority
2587of the analysts do not believe
2588
2589565
259000:28:38,215 --> 00:28:41,219
2591it's a slam dunk,
2592but no one wants to hear that.
2593
2594566
259500:28:42,219 --> 00:28:44,053
2596Not even the press.
2597
2598567
259900:28:44,054 --> 00:28:45,054
2600Sorry, Mel.
2601
2602568
260300:28:45,055 --> 00:28:46,789
2604I'm sorry.
2605
2606569
260700:28:46,790 --> 00:28:48,161
2608I'm just mad as hell.
2609
2610570
261100:28:50,161 --> 00:28:51,694
2612Listen, I wanted
2613to talk to you today
2614
2615571
261600:28:51,695 --> 00:28:55,598
2617because I think
2618I might finally be
2619onto something that...
2620
2621572
262200:28:55,599 --> 00:28:59,669
2623...that really support
2624what you've been
2625saying for months.
2626
2627573
262800:28:59,670 --> 00:29:02,410
2629I need to talk to a man
2630called Frank Koza.
2631
2632574
263300:29:05,410 --> 00:29:07,076
2634He's NSA.
2635
2636575
263700:29:07,077 --> 00:29:08,449
2638Head of Regional Targets.
2639
2640576
264100:29:11,449 --> 00:29:12,719
2642You know him?
2643
2644577
264500:29:14,719 --> 00:29:16,786
2646I'm sorry, Ed.
2647
2648578
264900:29:16,787 --> 00:29:19,546
2650I can't give out
2651that kind of information.
2652
2653579
265400:29:41,546 --> 00:29:43,546
2655What are you doing here?
2656
2657580
265800:29:41,546 --> 00:29:43,113
2659I'm sorry.
2660
2661581
266200:29:43,114 --> 00:29:44,114
2663I didn't wanna call.
2664
2665582
266600:29:43,114 --> 00:29:44,581
2667How long have you been here?
2668
2669583
267000:29:44,582 --> 00:29:46,249
2671We're not supposed
2672to be meeting.
2673
2674584
267500:29:46,250 --> 00:29:48,183
2676I know, I've just...
2677
2678585
267900:29:48,184 --> 00:29:50,720
2680I've been following the news
2681and I haven't seen
2682
2683586
268400:29:50,721 --> 00:29:52,389
2685or heard anything
2686for three weeks.
2687
2688587
268900:29:52,390 --> 00:29:53,856
2690Okay, well,
2691I've given it to my contact
2692
2693588
269400:29:53,857 --> 00:29:55,558
2695and apparently,
2696she's having a very hard time
2697
2698589
269900:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,130
2700getting the papers
2701to believe that
2702it's not a fake.
2703
2704590
270500:30:00,130 --> 00:30:01,666
2706Oh, uh...
2707
2708591
270900:30:02,666 --> 00:30:05,501
2710Well, maybe that's okay.
2711
2712592
271300:30:05,502 --> 00:30:06,702
2714You know, I...
2715
2716593
271700:30:06,703 --> 00:30:07,871
2718Look, I mean,
2719all of the polls said
2720
2721594
272200:30:07,872 --> 00:30:09,172
2723everyone's against
2724the war, anyway
2725
2726595
272700:30:09,173 --> 00:30:11,575
2728and I, and I've
2729just been thinking...
2730
2731596
273200:30:11,576 --> 00:30:14,810
2733Look, I think
2734that I acted too rashly
2735
2736597
273700:30:14,811 --> 00:30:16,145
2738on impulse.
2739I didn't think...
2740
2741598
274200:30:16,146 --> 00:30:17,814
2743Jesus, Katharine, is it a fake?
2744
2745599
274600:30:17,815 --> 00:30:19,316
2747Of course it's not a fake.
2748It's real.
2749
2750600
275100:30:19,317 --> 00:30:20,784
2752Well, then just go home!
2753
2754601
275500:30:20,785 --> 00:30:24,120
2756Okay, don't talk about this
2757to anyone, ever!
2758
2759602
276000:30:24,121 --> 00:30:25,124
2761Just...
2762
2763603
276400:30:27,124 --> 00:30:28,124
2765Sorry.
2766
2767604
276800:30:28,125 --> 00:30:29,828
2769It's out of our hands now.
2770
2771605
277200:30:31,828 --> 00:30:33,999
2773Sorry.
2774
2775606
277600:30:34,999 --> 00:30:38,101
2777The truth is,
2778the whole document
2779could be a fake.
2780
2781607
278200:30:38,102 --> 00:30:40,836
2783But we're satisfied
2784the language used is real.
2785
2786608
278700:30:40,837 --> 00:30:41,837
2788It's fascinating.
2789
2790609
279100:30:41,838 --> 00:30:42,942
2792Yeah.
2793
2794610
279500:30:44,942 --> 00:30:47,643
2796Is this document actually
2797in your possession?
2798
2799611
280000:30:47,644 --> 00:30:49,912
2801Well, if it were,
2802I'd be in breach of the
2803Official Secrets Act
2804
2805612
280600:30:49,913 --> 00:30:51,346
2807wouldn't I?
2808
2809613
281000:30:53,016 --> 00:30:54,750
2811So based on what might be
2812in this document...
2813
2814614
281500:30:54,751 --> 00:30:56,751
2816That you don't have.
2817
2818615
281900:30:54,751 --> 00:30:56,353
2820That I don't yet have.
2821
2822616
282300:30:56,354 --> 00:30:57,954
2824But that you want
2825to print in your paper.
2826
2827617
282800:30:58,021 --> 00:31:00,355
2829If you don't issue
2830a D-notice
2831against publication.
2832
2833618
283400:31:00,356 --> 00:31:01,857
2835Well, which I will
2836most certainly do
2837
2838619
283900:31:01,858 --> 00:31:04,093
2840if I think the publication
2841might in any way
2842
2843620
284400:31:04,094 --> 00:31:05,995
2845endanger the lives
2846of British people
2847
2848621
284900:31:05,996 --> 00:31:07,797
2850or British forces.
2851
2852622
285300:31:07,798 --> 00:31:09,798
2854Understood.
2855
2856623
285700:31:07,798 --> 00:31:09,598
2858Good.
2859
2860624
286100:31:11,402 --> 00:31:12,703
2862Go on.
2863
2864625
286500:31:13,703 --> 00:31:15,704
2866Would you say
2867it were likely real
2868
2869626
287000:31:15,705 --> 00:31:17,740
2871or a forgery?
2872
2873627
287400:31:17,741 --> 00:31:19,942
2875What do you think?
2876
2877628
287800:31:19,943 --> 00:31:21,877
2879I think it could be a fake
2880
2881629
288200:31:21,878 --> 00:31:24,382
2883put out
2884by the anti-war movement...
2885
2886630
288700:31:25,382 --> 00:31:28,285
2888...or by a foreign agency
2889to embarrass the US.
2890
2891631
289200:31:28,286 --> 00:31:29,786
2893Which agency?
2894
2895632
289600:31:29,787 --> 00:31:31,421
2897The Russians.
2898
2899633
290000:31:31,422 --> 00:31:33,056
2901I mean, the French
2902oppose the war, too,
2903
2904634
290500:31:33,057 --> 00:31:34,524
2906but I don't think
2907they'd do this.
2908
2909635
291000:31:34,525 --> 00:31:37,192
2911I think you might be
2912overthinking it as usual,
2913Martin.
2914
2915636
291600:31:37,193 --> 00:31:38,693
2917Meaning?
2918
2919637
292000:31:38,694 --> 00:31:40,699
2921You tell me.
2922
2923638
292400:31:41,699 --> 00:31:44,905
2925Well, meaning it could be
2926exactly what it says it is.
2927
2928639
292900:31:47,905 --> 00:31:50,206
2930You know, Martin,
2931I believe that all information
2932
2933640
293400:31:50,207 --> 00:31:53,112
2935collected in the name
2936of the public
2937should be made public.
2938
2939641
294000:31:55,112 --> 00:31:57,814
2941The only question is, when.
2942
2943642
294400:31:57,815 --> 00:32:01,852
2945But in this case,
2946I don't have
2947the luxury of time, Admiral.
2948
2949643
295000:32:01,853 --> 00:32:04,954
2951Powell just made
2952a very strong case for war.
2953
2954644
295500:32:04,955 --> 00:32:06,528
2956Yes, I see.
2957
2958645
295900:32:10,528 --> 00:32:13,262
2960I have also always believed
2961
2962646
296300:32:13,263 --> 00:32:16,132
2964that censorship when called for
2965
2966647
296700:32:16,133 --> 00:32:20,939
2968should be based
2969on security issues alone...
2970
2971648
297200:32:21,939 --> 00:32:23,271
2973...not on whether
2974a news report
2975
2976649
297700:32:23,272 --> 00:32:25,846
2978might embarrass a government.
2979
2980650
298100:32:29,846 --> 00:32:31,349
2982Thank you, Admiral.
2983
2984651
298500:32:32,349 --> 00:32:35,285
2986Ed, it's Edie
2987from the London office.
2988
2989652
299000:32:35,286 --> 00:32:37,053
2991I got a weird message for you
2992
2993653
299400:32:37,054 --> 00:32:38,822
2995from someone
2996who wouldn't give his name.
2997
2998654
299900:32:38,823 --> 00:32:42,392
3000He said you should call
3001extension 6727.
3002
3003655
300400:32:42,393 --> 00:32:45,460
3005Makes no sense to me,
3006but maybe to you.
3007
3008656
300900:32:45,461 --> 00:32:48,230
30106727. Good luck.
3011
3012657
301300:32:48,231 --> 00:32:49,231
30146727.
3015
3016658
301700:32:48,231 --> 00:32:49,632
3018Bye-bye.
3019
3020659
302100:32:49,633 --> 00:32:53,971
30226727. 6727. 6727.
3023
3024660
302500:32:59,577 --> 00:33:00,577
30266727.
3027
3028661
302900:33:04,115 --> 00:33:06,315
3030NSA.
3031How may I direct your call?
3032
3033662
303400:33:06,316 --> 00:33:09,986
3035Hello.
3036Extension 6727, please.
3037
3038663
303900:33:09,987 --> 00:33:11,787
30406727?
3041
3042664
304300:33:11,788 --> 00:33:13,722
30446727, yes.
3045
3046665
304700:33:13,723 --> 00:33:14,993
3048One moment.
3049
3050666
305100:33:16,993 --> 00:33:18,196
3052Frank Koza's office.
3053
3054667
305500:33:20,196 --> 00:33:22,632
3056Hello, may I speak
3057to Mr. Frank Koza, please?
3058
3059668
306000:33:22,633 --> 00:33:23,500
3061Who shall I say is calling?
3062
3063669
306400:33:23,501 --> 00:33:26,035
3065I can't say.
3066Just put me through.
3067
3068670
306900:33:26,036 --> 00:33:27,406
3070Yes, sir.
3071
3072671
307300:33:29,406 --> 00:33:30,406
3074Hello?
3075
3076672
307700:33:32,209 --> 00:33:34,944
3078Mr. Koza? Mr. Frank Koza?
3079
3080673
308100:33:34,945 --> 00:33:37,313
3082Yes. Who's calling?
3083
3084674
308500:33:37,314 --> 00:33:39,348
3086Mr. Koza,
3087my name is Ed Vulliamy.
3088
3089675
309000:33:39,349 --> 00:33:42,152
3091I work for The Observer
3092newspaper in London.
3093
3094676
309500:33:42,153 --> 00:33:45,625
3096I wanted to ask you
3097about a memo
3098you sent to GCHQ.
3099
3100677
310100:33:49,625 --> 00:33:50,628
3102Mr. Koza?
3103
3104678
310500:33:54,731 --> 00:33:58,731
3106Do you think this is real?
3107
3108679
310900:33:54,731 --> 00:33:58,101
3110Yes, they put me through.
3111
3112680
311300:33:58,102 --> 00:33:59,102
3114To Frank Koza?
3115
3116681
311700:33:58,102 --> 00:33:59,702
3118Yes.
3119
3120682
312100:33:59,703 --> 00:34:01,805
3122And you spoke
3123to him directly,
3124right, Ed?
3125
3126683
312700:34:01,806 --> 00:34:04,539
3128Well, we didn't exactly
3129have a conversation.
3130
3131684
313200:34:04,540 --> 00:34:06,942
3133Did you speak to him or not?
3134Yes or no, Ed? Jesus.
3135
3136685
313700:34:06,943 --> 00:34:08,143
3138Yes, but he cut me off
3139
3140686
314100:34:08,144 --> 00:34:09,511
3142when I said I worked
3143for The Observer.
3144
3145687
314600:34:09,512 --> 00:34:12,515
3147But you're sure
3148that he exists,
3149right, Ed?
3150
3151688
315200:34:12,516 --> 00:34:13,783
3153Hell yes, I'm sure!
3154
3155689
315600:34:13,784 --> 00:34:16,021
3157I said, "Mr. Koza?"
3158He said, "Yes, who's calling?"
3159
3160690
316100:34:17,021 --> 00:34:18,553
3162All right. Thank you, Ed.
3163
3164691
316500:34:18,554 --> 00:34:20,924
3166Try not to fuck
3167this one up, Roger.
3168
3169692
317000:34:20,925 --> 00:34:22,925
3171Fuck off.
3172
3173693
317400:34:20,925 --> 00:34:22,792
3175You're welcome, anytime.
3176
3177694
317800:34:24,795 --> 00:34:26,295
3179Hitler Diaries.
3180
3181695
318200:34:26,296 --> 00:34:27,397
3183What?
3184
3185696
318600:34:27,398 --> 00:34:29,799
3187I'm just saying
3188it smells of a forgery
3189like the Hitler Diaries
3190
3191697
319200:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,868
3193and, of course,
3194publishing those
3195cost people their jobs.
3196
3197698
319800:34:31,869 --> 00:34:33,335
3199Which is precisely
3200why we're doing
3201
3202699
320300:34:33,336 --> 00:34:35,904
3204rigorous checking
3205on this, Kamal.
3206
3207700
320800:34:35,905 --> 00:34:38,905
3209Who brought you this?
3210
3211701
321200:34:35,905 --> 00:34:38,040
3213Friend.
3214
3215702
321600:34:38,041 --> 00:34:39,041
3217Someone from GCHQ?
3218
3219703
322000:34:39,042 --> 00:34:40,042
3221No.
3222
3223704
322400:34:40,043 --> 00:34:41,447
3225Then who?
3226
3227705
322800:34:44,447 --> 00:34:45,947
3229Yvonne Ridley.
3230
3231706
323200:34:45,948 --> 00:34:47,250
3233Yvonne fucking Ridley!
3234
3235707
323600:34:47,251 --> 00:34:49,352
3237The woman who fell off
3238a donkey in Afghanistan
3239
3240708
324100:34:49,353 --> 00:34:50,433
3242at some Taliban checkpoint!
3243
3244709
324500:34:51,021 --> 00:34:52,821
3246Her arse over a tit
3247with a camera up her burka
3248
3249710
325000:34:52,822 --> 00:34:54,089
3251and then she converted to Islam
3252
3253711
325400:34:54,090 --> 00:34:55,524
3255after she was released
3256by her kidnapper.
3257
3258712
325900:34:55,525 --> 00:34:57,160
3260None of which means
3261she's not right!
3262
3263713
326400:34:57,161 --> 00:34:58,361
3265She's anti-war!
3266
3267714
326800:34:58,362 --> 00:35:00,863
3269She probably typed
3270the fucking thing herself.
3271
3272715
327300:35:00,864 --> 00:35:03,366
3274Martin, you realize
3275the legal risks
3276we'll be taking?
3277
3278716
327900:35:03,367 --> 00:35:04,500
3280Yes.
3281
3282717
328300:35:04,501 --> 00:35:05,667
3284The last time
3285we published
3286anything like this
3287
3288718
328900:35:05,668 --> 00:35:07,370
3290you and Roger
3291almost went to prison.
3292
3293719
329400:35:07,371 --> 00:35:08,939
3295Jan, the last time
3296our source claimed
3297
3298720
329900:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,674
3300MI6 had funded an attempted
3301assassination on Gaddafi.
3302
3303721
330400:35:11,675 --> 00:35:13,343
3305This document
3306doesn't accuse anyone
3307
3308722
330900:35:13,344 --> 00:35:15,278
3310of doing anything
3311remotely like that.
3312
3313723
331400:35:15,279 --> 00:35:18,747
3315No, it merely suggests
3316that the US government,
3317
3318724
331900:35:18,748 --> 00:35:22,317
3320with the help
3321of Great Britain,
3322might try to twist arms
3323
3324725
332500:35:22,318 --> 00:35:25,354
3326and threaten UN delegates
3327into voting for a war in Iraq.
3328
3329726
333000:35:25,355 --> 00:35:27,695
3331It's a hell of a story.
3332
3333727
333400:35:31,695 --> 00:35:33,328
3335Look, we know Koza exists.
3336
3337728
333800:35:33,329 --> 00:35:35,531
3339Beaver says the language
3340used is authentic.
3341
3342729
334300:35:35,532 --> 00:35:37,334
3344And Wilkinson says
3345that while publication
3346
3347730
334800:35:37,335 --> 00:35:38,602
3349may embarrass both governments,
3350
3351731
335200:35:38,603 --> 00:35:40,403
3353he doesn't believe
3354that it poses a security risk
3355
3356732
335700:35:40,404 --> 00:35:42,504
3358to the British people
3359or the armed forces.
3360
3361733
336200:35:42,505 --> 00:35:43,839
3363Ironically,
3364publication may actually
3365
3366734
336700:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,808
3368prevent a war and save lives.
3369
3370735
337100:35:45,809 --> 00:35:46,809
3372Well.
3373
3374736
337500:35:46,810 --> 00:35:47,877
3376MI6?
3377
3378737
337900:35:47,878 --> 00:35:49,878
3380Would not confirm
3381but did not deny.
3382
3383738
338400:35:53,050 --> 00:35:54,616
3385Jan, where are we legally?
3386
3387739
338800:35:54,617 --> 00:35:56,518
3389Wilkinson may not issue
3390a D-Notice
3391
3392740
339300:35:56,519 --> 00:35:58,921
3394but that doesn't stop Special
3395Branch from coming after us.
3396
3397741
339800:35:58,922 --> 00:36:02,922
3399Thank you.
3400
3401742
340200:35:58,922 --> 00:36:02,124
3403Legally, we have
3404a top secret document
3405
3406743
340700:36:02,125 --> 00:36:03,829
3408in our possession.
3409
3410744
341100:36:06,829 --> 00:36:09,131
3412Look, Rog, don't forget
3413
3414745
341500:36:09,132 --> 00:36:10,799
3416we're getting
3417detailed information
3418
3419746
342000:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,569
3421directly from Blair's office.
3422
3423747
342400:36:12,570 --> 00:36:14,570
3425Fuck off.
3426
3427748
342800:36:12,570 --> 00:36:14,403
3429Well, he's right.
3430
3431749
343200:36:14,404 --> 00:36:17,040
3433Printing this kind of story
3434would kill that relationship.
3435
3436750
343700:36:17,041 --> 00:36:19,676
3438Since when did this paper
3439prioritize political access
3440
3441751
344200:36:19,677 --> 00:36:21,678
3443over its own
3444investigative reporting?
3445
3446752
344700:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,679
3448Yes.
3449
3450753
345100:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,247
3452We have taken a position
3453on this, guys!
3454
3455754
345600:36:24,248 --> 00:36:25,248
3457We support the war.
3458
3459755
346000:36:28,050 --> 00:36:30,655
3461Yes. We do.
3462
3463756
346400:36:31,655 --> 00:36:32,821
3465Fuck.
3466
3467757
346800:36:32,822 --> 00:36:34,525
3469But Peter's right.
3470
3471758
347200:36:35,525 --> 00:36:37,672
3473This is a fucking good story.
3474
3475759
347600:36:48,672 --> 00:36:49,952
3477Thank you, Roger.
3478
3479760
348000:36:53,777 --> 00:36:54,777
3481Here we go.
3482
3483761
348400:37:07,023 --> 00:37:08,658
3485Wait, I'll come with you.
3486
3487762
348800:37:08,659 --> 00:37:10,091
3489I'm just going to go
3490get some milk.
3491
3492763
349300:37:10,092 --> 00:37:11,593
3494Go back to bed.
3495I'll bring you a coffee.
3496
3497764
349800:37:11,594 --> 00:37:12,940
3499Okay.
3500
3501765
350200:37:24,940 --> 00:37:26,940
3503Hi.
3504
3505766
350600:37:24,940 --> 00:37:26,693
3507Morning.
3508
3509767
351000:37:43,693 --> 00:37:44,693
3511Hey.
3512
3513768
351400:37:52,369 --> 00:37:53,507
3515What's the matter, janum?
3516
3517769
351800:37:59,208 --> 00:38:00,351
3519What's going on?
3520
3521770
352200:38:08,351 --> 00:38:10,351
3523Bravo, Martin.
3524
3525771
352600:38:08,351 --> 00:38:10,185
3527Ah, there he is.
3528
3529772
353000:38:10,186 --> 00:38:11,587
3531Well done.
3532
3533773
353400:38:13,490 --> 00:38:14,990
3535Here he is!
3536
3537774
353800:38:14,991 --> 00:38:16,326
3539Nice one, Martin.
3540
3541775
354200:38:22,733 --> 00:38:26,468
3543Brighty, congratulations.
3544
3545776
354600:38:26,469 --> 00:38:27,971
3547Bloody brilliant.
3548
3549777
355000:38:27,972 --> 00:38:29,972
3551Thank you.
3552
3553778
355400:38:27,972 --> 00:38:29,904
3555What have you got for me next?
3556
3557779
355800:38:29,905 --> 00:38:31,941
3559Every major
3560European paper is citing us
3561
3562780
356300:38:31,942 --> 00:38:34,511
3564and we've had calls
3565in from CNN, NBC, and Fox.
3566
3567781
356800:38:34,512 --> 00:38:36,245
3569They all want to interview you
3570for their morning shows
3571
3572782
357300:38:36,246 --> 00:38:37,647
3574when they wake up in the US.
3575
3576783
357700:38:37,648 --> 00:38:38,846
3578Any response
3579from Downing Street?
3580
3581784
358200:38:38,847 --> 00:38:41,389
3583We got a call in,
3584but they're scrambling.
3585
3586785
358700:38:45,389 --> 00:38:46,389
3588Martin, line 2.
3589
3590786
359100:38:48,224 --> 00:38:49,927
3592Martin Bright.
3593
3594787
359500:38:50,927 --> 00:38:52,762
3596Thank you. Thank you.
3597
3598788
359900:38:53,762 --> 00:38:54,762
3600No.
3601
3602789
360300:38:55,032 --> 00:38:57,202
3604Uh, no, the person
3605who leaked it
3606hasn't been identified.
3607
3608790
360900:39:00,202 --> 00:39:02,270
3610Why'd you do it?
3611
3612791
361300:39:02,271 --> 00:39:03,906
3614I just thought
3615that they'd investigate.
3616
3617792
361800:39:03,907 --> 00:39:05,941
3619I never expected them
3620to print the whole memo.
3621
3622793
362300:39:05,942 --> 00:39:07,243
3624Why didn't you tell me?
3625
3626794
362700:39:07,244 --> 00:39:09,847
3628Sorry, I didn't, I didn't, I...
3629
3630795
363100:39:10,847 --> 00:39:12,448
3632I thought that you would try
3633and talk me out of it
3634
3635796
363600:39:12,449 --> 00:39:13,515
3637and I didn't want you to.
3638
3639797
364000:39:13,516 --> 00:39:15,516
3641My God, janum.
3642
3643798
364400:39:13,516 --> 00:39:15,183
3645I'm so sorry.
3646
3647799
364800:39:15,184 --> 00:39:16,454
3649They don't mention your name?
3650
3651800
365200:39:18,454 --> 00:39:19,954
3653I haven't told anyone.
3654
3655801
365600:39:19,955 --> 00:39:21,860
3657Good. That's good.
3658
3659802
366000:39:23,860 --> 00:39:26,097
3661That's very kind.
3662All right, thank you.
3663
3664803
366500:39:28,097 --> 00:39:31,167
3666Why don't you get in touch
3667with your friend Tony, Kamal?
3668
3669804
367000:39:31,168 --> 00:39:33,168
3671Ask him if he has an opinion.
3672
3673805
367400:39:31,168 --> 00:39:33,770
3675That's not funny, Rog.
3676
3677806
367800:39:33,771 --> 00:39:34,771
3679- Martin?
3680- Yes?
3681
3682807
368300:39:34,772 --> 00:39:36,052
3684NBC just canceled
3685your interview.
3686
3687808
368800:39:37,007 --> 00:39:38,543
3689What?
3690
3691809
369200:39:39,543 --> 00:39:42,343
3693NBC no longer wished
3694to interview Martin.
3695
3696810
369700:39:42,344 --> 00:39:44,680
3698Did they say why?
3699
3700811
370100:39:44,681 --> 00:39:46,348
3702They just said sorry,
3703but they didn't think
3704
3705812
370600:39:46,349 --> 00:39:47,982
3707they could fit you in anymore.
3708
3709813
371000:39:47,983 --> 00:39:49,118
3711Really?
3712
3713814
371400:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,355
3715Brighty, reporter from Santiago.
3716
3717815
371800:39:52,356 --> 00:39:54,259
3719Thank you. Martin Bright.
3720
3721816
372200:39:56,259 --> 00:39:57,526
3723Ah, uh. No.
3724
3725817
372600:39:57,527 --> 00:39:59,229
3727At this stage,
3728we have no idea
3729what information
3730
3731818
373200:39:59,230 --> 00:40:00,964
3733was gathered from Chile
3734or any of the other countries.
3735
3736819
373700:40:00,965 --> 00:40:02,965
3738Peter.
3739
3740820
374100:40:00,965 --> 00:40:02,230
3742Yeah?
3743
3744821
374500:40:02,231 --> 00:40:04,433
3746Fox says that
3747they have to cancel.
3748
3749822
375000:40:04,434 --> 00:40:05,634
3751What? Why?
3752
3753823
375400:40:05,635 --> 00:40:08,303
3755Uh, yeah, Mexico is furious too.
3756
3757824
375800:40:08,304 --> 00:40:09,638
3759Okay.
3760Thank you.
3761
3762825
376300:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,639
3764Martin?
3765
3766826
376700:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,105
3768Yes?
3769
3770827
377100:40:11,106 --> 00:40:12,266
3772I've got a producer from CNN.
3773
3774828
377500:40:15,146 --> 00:40:16,949
3776Martin Bright.
3777
3778829
377900:40:18,949 --> 00:40:19,949
3780I see.
3781
3782830
378300:40:21,784 --> 00:40:24,289
3784No. No, no. No, no.
3785That's all right.
3786
3787831
378800:40:25,289 --> 00:40:26,421
3789Ah...
3790
3791832
379200:40:26,422 --> 00:40:27,422
3793May I ask why?
3794
3795833
379600:40:29,358 --> 00:40:31,429
3797Yes, I stand by it.
3798Of course I stand by it.
3799
3800834
380100:40:32,429 --> 00:40:33,429
3802The Drudge Report?
3803
3804835
380500:40:37,134 --> 00:40:38,134
3806Yeah.
3807
3808836
380900:40:39,101 --> 00:40:40,770
3810All right, okay.
3811
3812837
381300:40:40,771 --> 00:40:43,171
3814What the fuck is going on?
3815
3816838
381700:40:59,822 --> 00:41:00,922
3818It's fake.
3819
3820839
382100:41:00,923 --> 00:41:02,758
3822We've printed
3823a fake fucking memo
3824
3825840
382600:41:02,759 --> 00:41:04,498
3827from Yvonne fucking Ridley!
3828
3829841
383000:41:09,498 --> 00:41:13,335
3831Oh, you fucking idiot.
3832There. You see it?
3833
3834842
383500:41:13,336 --> 00:41:14,376
3836Because the Americans did.
3837
3838843
383900:41:15,005 --> 00:41:17,906
3840Favourable. F-A-V-O-U-R.
3841
3842844
384300:41:17,907 --> 00:41:22,812
3844Some English cunt has tried
3845to fake an American NSA memo
3846
3847845
384800:41:22,813 --> 00:41:25,281
3849and you fucking schmucks
3850fell for it.
3851
3852846
385300:41:25,282 --> 00:41:27,518
3854Wait. Martin,
3855where's the original?
3856
3857847
385800:41:28,518 --> 00:41:29,585
3859Where's the original document?
3860
3861848
386200:41:29,586 --> 00:41:30,800
3863Jesus.
3864
3865849
386600:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,800
3867American spelling.
3868
3869850
387000:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,165
3871What?
3872
3873851
387400:41:44,166 --> 00:41:45,971
3875The original
3876has American spelling.
3877
3878852
387900:41:47,971 --> 00:41:50,238
3880And this is what I filed, see?
3881
3882853
388300:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,874
3884Favorable. O-R.
3885
3886854
388700:41:51,875 --> 00:41:53,609
3888Just like the original.
3889Not O-U-R.
3890
3891855
389200:41:53,610 --> 00:41:56,184
3893And recognize with a Z,
3894not an S.
3895
3896856
389700:42:01,184 --> 00:42:03,456
3898Who changed what I wrote?
3899
3900857
390100:42:06,456 --> 00:42:07,756
3902Who...
3903
3904858
390500:42:07,757 --> 00:42:08,890
3906Who changed
3907what I fucking wrote?
3908
3909859
391000:42:08,891 --> 00:42:11,239
3911Come on, speak up!
3912Who did this?
3913
3914860
391500:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,976
3916Nicole, what did you do?
3917
3918861
391900:42:27,976 --> 00:42:29,246
3920I, um...
3921
3922862
392300:42:31,246 --> 00:42:33,454
3924I ran it through spell check.
3925
3926863
392700:42:37,454 --> 00:42:38,454
3928Spell check?
3929
3930864
393100:42:38,455 --> 00:42:39,990
3932Jesus.
3933
3934865
393500:42:40,990 --> 00:42:43,591
3936That's what I always do.
3937I'm so sorry.
3938
3939866
394000:42:43,592 --> 00:42:45,361
3941Do not cry, Nicole.
3942
3943867
394400:42:45,362 --> 00:42:47,835
3945Do not fucking cry.
3946
3947868
394800:42:52,835 --> 00:42:54,636
3949Okay, well, we know
3950that it's not fake.
3951
3952869
395300:42:54,637 --> 00:42:57,506
3954We go online,
3955we explain what happened,
3956we call all of the networks.
3957
3958870
395900:42:57,507 --> 00:42:58,874
3960Stop it, Martin.
3961
3962871
396300:42:58,875 --> 00:43:01,544
3964Fuck, Rog, it was
3965an honest mistake.
3966
3967872
396800:43:01,545 --> 00:43:03,712
3969Don't be so naive.
3970
3971873
397200:43:03,713 --> 00:43:06,948
3973You're an American editor.
3974What story do you put out now?
3975
3976874
397700:43:06,949 --> 00:43:10,986
3978That The Observer
3979is doubling down
3980on a fake memo?
3981
3982875
398300:43:10,987 --> 00:43:12,754
3984Or that the staff
3985of this newspaper
3986
3987876
398800:43:12,755 --> 00:43:16,496
3989are really so colossally stupid!
3990
3991877
399200:43:29,672 --> 00:43:32,463
3993It's all right.
3994Would you like a cup of tea?
3995
3996878
399700:43:53,463 --> 00:43:55,364
3998Someone in this building
3999
4000879
400100:43:55,365 --> 00:43:59,834
4002has betrayed their government
4003and their country.
4004
4005880
400600:43:59,835 --> 00:44:02,738
4007Now I'm sure
4008it wasn't anyone
4009in this division,
4010
4011881
401200:44:02,739 --> 00:44:04,339
4013but starting today,
4014
4015882
401600:44:04,340 --> 00:44:07,609
4017Internal Security will be
4018conducting interviews
4019
4020883
402100:44:07,610 --> 00:44:10,413
4022with each and every one of you.
4023
4024884
402500:44:10,414 --> 00:44:13,915
4026If you know anything
4027or suspect anyone,
4028
4029885
403000:44:13,916 --> 00:44:17,618
4031it is your sworn duty
4032to speak up.
4033
4034886
403500:44:17,619 --> 00:44:20,089
4036If you do not
4037and you are found to have
4038
4039887
404000:44:20,090 --> 00:44:22,491
4041withheld information
4042of any kind,
4043
4044888
404500:44:22,492 --> 00:44:24,993
4046you will be charged
4047with a breach
4048
4049889
405000:44:24,994 --> 00:44:27,300
4051of the Official Secrets Act.
4052
4053890
405400:45:16,146 --> 00:45:19,281
4055You should see the file
4056that tosser's got on me.
4057
4058891
405900:45:19,282 --> 00:45:20,282
4060What did he ask you?
4061
4062892
406300:45:20,283 --> 00:45:21,795
4064Katharine!
4065
4066893
406700:45:31,795 --> 00:45:33,900
4068Come in, Katharine.
4069
4070894
407100:45:36,900 --> 00:45:38,400
4072Katharine Gun?
4073
4074895
407500:45:38,401 --> 00:45:39,667
4076Yes?
4077
4078896
407900:45:39,668 --> 00:45:42,746
4080I'm John from
4081Internal Security. Please.
4082
4083897
408400:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,320
4085Mandarin translator.
4086
4087898
408800:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,357
4089GCHQ for two years.
4090
4091899
409200:46:01,358 --> 00:46:02,358
4093Yes.
4094
4095900
409600:46:02,359 --> 00:46:03,725
4097And before that?
4098
4099901
410000:46:03,726 --> 00:46:05,960
4101I taught English
4102to Japanese students.
4103
4104902
410500:46:05,961 --> 00:46:07,961
4106Hiroshima, right?
4107
4108903
410900:46:05,961 --> 00:46:07,797
4110Yes.
4111
4112904
411300:46:08,797 --> 00:46:10,598
4114Interesting.
4115
4116905
411700:46:10,599 --> 00:46:13,569
4118Did you visit the memorial?
4119
4120906
412100:46:13,570 --> 00:46:14,736
4122The peace memorial?
4123
4124907
412500:46:14,737 --> 00:46:16,742
4126To the people
4127killed by the atomic bomb?
4128
4129908
413000:46:18,742 --> 00:46:20,509
4131Yes, actually, I did.
4132
4133909
413400:46:20,510 --> 00:46:21,510
4135It's, uh...
4136
4137910
413800:46:23,112 --> 00:46:24,446
4139It's something
4140you really have to see.
4141
4142911
414300:46:24,447 --> 00:46:25,447
4144It's very moving.
4145
4146912
414700:46:28,150 --> 00:46:31,419
4148Compels one to think
4149about the consequences of war,
4150
4151913
415200:46:31,420 --> 00:46:33,589
4153doesn't it?
4154
4155914
415600:46:33,590 --> 00:46:35,590
4157Yes, I suppose it does.
4158
4159915
416000:46:35,591 --> 00:46:37,125
4161Are you anti-war, Katharine?
4162
4163916
416400:46:37,126 --> 00:46:38,259
4165No.
4166
4167917
416800:46:38,260 --> 00:46:41,603
4169Uh, I think
4170sometimes war is necessary.
4171
4172918
417300:46:46,603 --> 00:46:48,703
4174I see you lived in Taiwan
4175as a child?
4176
4177919
417800:46:48,704 --> 00:46:49,704
4179Yes.
4180
4181920
418200:46:49,705 --> 00:46:50,906
4183How long did you live there?
4184
4185921
418600:46:50,907 --> 00:46:52,741
4187We moved over when I was three.
4188
4189922
419000:46:52,742 --> 00:46:54,010
4191I came back to do my A-levels.
4192
4193923
419400:46:55,010 --> 00:46:56,379
4195So for most
4196of your childhood then?
4197
4198924
419900:46:56,380 --> 00:46:57,815
4200Yes.
4201
4202925
420300:46:58,815 --> 00:47:00,482
4204You had a religious upbringing?
4205
4206926
420700:47:00,483 --> 00:47:01,716
4208No, not particularly.
4209
4210927
421100:47:01,717 --> 00:47:02,850
4212But were you sent away
4213
4214928
421500:47:02,851 --> 00:47:05,087
4216to a Christian
4217missionary school
4218in Taiwan?
4219
4220929
422100:47:05,088 --> 00:47:06,120
4222Yes.
4223
4224930
422500:47:06,121 --> 00:47:08,089
4226Gave you a clear sense
4227of right and wrong, did it,
4228
4229931
423000:47:08,090 --> 00:47:09,325
4231being in a mission school?
4232
4233932
423400:47:09,326 --> 00:47:10,692
4235I think my parents gave me that.
4236
4237933
423800:47:11,827 --> 00:47:13,398
4239Did you leak the Koza e-mail?
4240
4241934
424200:47:14,398 --> 00:47:15,398
4243No.
4244
4245935
424600:47:14,398 --> 00:47:15,698
4247No?
4248
4249936
425000:47:15,699 --> 00:47:16,934
4251No.
4252
4253937
425400:47:18,934 --> 00:47:20,934
4255But you read it?
4256
4257938
425800:47:18,934 --> 00:47:20,401
4259Yes.
4260
4261939
426200:47:20,402 --> 00:47:22,971
4263I mean, it was sent to me,
4264so I read it.
4265
4266940
426700:47:22,972 --> 00:47:25,842
4268What were your immediate
4269thoughts after you read it?
4270
4271941
427200:47:26,842 --> 00:47:28,410
4273Nothing much.
4274It didn't really bother me.
4275
4276942
427700:47:28,411 --> 00:47:29,411
4278It didn't?
4279
4280943
428100:47:29,412 --> 00:47:30,949
4282No.
4283
4284944
428500:47:32,949 --> 00:47:35,521
4286Who do you think
4287might have leaked it?
4288
4289945
429000:47:39,521 --> 00:47:40,521
4291I have no idea.
4292
4293946
429400:47:40,522 --> 00:47:41,823
4295No?
4296
4297947
429800:47:41,824 --> 00:47:43,824
4299No.
4300
4301948
430200:47:41,824 --> 00:47:43,725
4303No?
4304
4305949
430600:47:43,726 --> 00:47:44,726
4307No.
4308
4309950
431000:47:47,563 --> 00:47:49,400
4311Thank you, Mrs. Gun.
4312
4313951
431400:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,608
4315That's all for now.
4316
4317952
431800:47:58,608 --> 00:48:00,575
4319Eat a little.
4320
4321953
432200:48:00,576 --> 00:48:01,576
4323Please.
4324
4325954
432600:48:04,246 --> 00:48:07,021
4327They're bringing everyone in.
4328One by one.
4329
4330955
433100:48:11,021 --> 00:48:12,789
4332You haven't said anything?
4333
4334956
433500:48:13,789 --> 00:48:15,161
4336Okay. Just eat a little.
4337
4338957
433900:48:19,161 --> 00:48:21,701
4340Everything will be all right.
4341
4342958
434300:48:25,701 --> 00:48:26,844
4344Eat.
4345
4346959
434700:48:34,844 --> 00:48:36,912
4348Hi, Fiona, it's Katharine.
4349
4350960
435100:48:36,913 --> 00:48:38,480
4352Um...
4353
4354961
435500:48:38,481 --> 00:48:39,580
4356I'm so sorry
4357
4358962
435900:48:39,581 --> 00:48:42,151
4360but I don't think I'm gonna
4361be able to come in today.
4362
4363963
436400:48:42,152 --> 00:48:45,856
4365Yeah, I think
4366I've caught a tummy bug.
4367
4368964
436900:48:46,856 --> 00:48:48,358
4370Yeah.
4371
4372965
437300:48:49,358 --> 00:48:50,859
4374Thank you.
4375
4376966
437700:48:50,860 --> 00:48:53,095
4378Thank you so much.
4379
4380967
438100:48:53,096 --> 00:48:54,766
4382What'd she say?
4383
4384968
438500:48:55,766 --> 00:48:57,466
4386She said I should get some rest.
4387
4388969
438900:48:57,467 --> 00:48:58,966
4390Good.
4391
4392970
439300:48:58,967 --> 00:49:00,467
4394She was nice.
4395
4396971
439700:49:00,468 --> 00:49:01,507
4398That's good.
4399
4400972
440100:49:03,507 --> 00:49:04,777
4402Try and sleep.
4403
4404973
440500:49:07,777 --> 00:49:09,590
4406Sorry, I have to go.
4407
4408974
440900:49:21,590 --> 00:49:24,859
4410...ask you about a report
4411in The Observer newspaper
4412
4413975
441400:49:24,860 --> 00:49:26,861
4415in London, a memo
4416
4417976
441800:49:26,862 --> 00:49:30,399
4419reported to be from a man
4420who actually works at the NSA
4421
4422977
442300:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,335
4424in which he describes
4425a "surge in surveillance
4426
4427978
442800:49:34,336 --> 00:49:37,071
4429"of UN Security Council
4430members."
4431
4432979
443300:49:37,072 --> 00:49:38,207
4434What's your response?
4435
4436980
443700:49:38,208 --> 00:49:40,942
4438Terry, as a matter
4439of long-standing policy
4440
4441981
444200:49:40,943 --> 00:49:43,210
4443the administration
4444never comments on anything
4445
4446982
444700:49:43,211 --> 00:49:46,582
4448involving any people
4449involved in intelligence.
4450
4451983
445200:49:46,583 --> 00:49:48,083
4453No, of course, you don't.
4454
4455984
445600:49:48,084 --> 00:49:49,283
4457What the fuck?
4458
4459985
446000:49:49,284 --> 00:49:51,352
4461If you're
4462a Cameroonian diplomat
4463
4464986
446500:49:51,353 --> 00:49:53,788
4466or a French diplomat
4467at the United Nations
4468
4469987
447000:49:53,789 --> 00:49:55,390
4471then you're gonna have
4472to operate on the assumption
4473
4474988
447500:49:55,391 --> 00:49:56,558
4476that the United States
4477is bugging you.
4478
4479989
448000:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,194
4481No, it's a blanket matter
4482of policy
4483
4484990
448500:49:59,195 --> 00:50:01,964
4486that we do not
4487answer questions
4488of that nature...
4489
4490991
449100:50:01,965 --> 00:50:03,965
4492Hi.
4493
4494992
449500:50:01,965 --> 00:50:03,564
4496Hi.
4497
4498993
449900:50:03,565 --> 00:50:05,801
4500...I'm not indicating
4501to you whether
4502it's true or not true.
4503
4504994
450500:50:05,802 --> 00:50:07,201
4506Have you eaten?
4507
4508995
450900:50:07,202 --> 00:50:10,671
4510...of policy that predates
4511this administration.
4512
4513996
451400:50:10,672 --> 00:50:12,672
4515I brought soup.
4516A bean salad.
4517
4518997
451900:50:15,110 --> 00:50:16,110
4520I'm gonna say it was me.
4521
4522998
452300:50:18,047 --> 00:50:20,883
4524The Americans
4525are refusing to admit
4526that the memo was real.
4527
4528999
452900:50:20,884 --> 00:50:21,884
4530I have to tell the truth.
4531
45321000
453300:50:21,885 --> 00:50:22,951
4534No.
4535
45361001
453700:50:22,952 --> 00:50:26,221
4538If I don't,
4539then they'll get away
4540with saying it was a fake.
4541
45421002
454300:50:26,222 --> 00:50:29,325
4544Janum, you did what you could.
4545Now leave it alone, please!
4546
45471003
454800:50:29,326 --> 00:50:30,392
4549What am I supposed to do?
4550
45511004
455200:50:30,393 --> 00:50:32,127
4553Am I supposed
4554to keep lying forever?
4555
45561005
455700:50:32,128 --> 00:50:33,962
4558If you say nothing,
4559they can never prove anything.
4560
45611006
456200:50:33,963 --> 00:50:35,830
4563They are questioning
4564everyone at work.
4565
45661007
456700:50:35,831 --> 00:50:36,997
4568They're interrogating
4569my friends.
4570
45711008
457200:50:36,998 --> 00:50:38,533
4573They're asking people
4574to name names.
4575
45761009
457700:50:38,534 --> 00:50:40,034
4578That will be over soon.
4579
45801010
458100:50:40,035 --> 00:50:41,903
4582And then what?
4583
45841011
458500:50:41,904 --> 00:50:43,339
4586There will be a question mark
4587
45881012
458900:50:43,340 --> 00:50:45,739
4590in hundreds of people's files
4591because of me.
4592
45931013
459400:50:45,740 --> 00:50:48,042
4595They will put you in jail!
4596
45971014
459800:50:48,043 --> 00:50:49,377
4599I have to prove it was real.
4600
46011015
460200:50:49,378 --> 00:50:50,578
4603Everyone at work knows that
4604
46051016
460600:50:50,579 --> 00:50:52,814
4607what the NSA
4608asked us to do was illegal.
4609
46101017
461100:50:52,815 --> 00:50:54,815
4612Nobody cares!
4613
46141018
461500:50:52,815 --> 00:50:54,018
4616Well, I care!
4617
46181019
461900:50:57,018 --> 00:50:58,886
4620If I don't say it was me,
4621then we'll go to war
4622
46231020
462400:50:58,887 --> 00:51:01,189
4625based on blackmail and lies.
4626
46271021
462800:51:01,190 --> 00:51:03,327
4629And I can't live
4630with that. I won't.
4631
46321022
463300:51:05,327 --> 00:51:07,664
4634Janum, please listen to me.
4635
46361023
463700:51:08,664 --> 00:51:09,632
4638I work at a cafe.
4639
46401024
464100:51:09,633 --> 00:51:11,533
4642I took the job
4643because I needed a job.
4644
46451025
464600:51:11,534 --> 00:51:13,368
4647But it's just a job.
4648
46491026
465000:51:13,369 --> 00:51:15,703
4651You did the same thing,
4652remember?
4653
46541027
465500:51:15,704 --> 00:51:17,805
4656When you saw the advert,
4657you said you didn't even know
4658
46591028
466000:51:17,806 --> 00:51:19,644
4661what the job really was.
4662
46631029
466400:51:21,644 --> 00:51:23,146
4665It's just a job.
4666
46671030
466800:51:24,146 --> 00:51:26,351
4669And you can get another job.
4670
46711031
467200:51:29,351 --> 00:51:31,685
4673You just need to keep
4674your head down
4675for a few more weeks
4676
46771032
467800:51:31,686 --> 00:51:33,389
4679until things calm down.
4680
46811033
468200:51:34,389 --> 00:51:36,177
4683Then you resign,
4684you can get another job.
4685
46861034
468700:51:54,177 --> 00:51:56,619
4688Hey.
4689
46901035
469100:52:03,619 --> 00:52:05,319
4692On a diet?
4693
46941036
469500:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,320
4696What?
4697
46981037
469900:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,056
4700No cinnamon bun?
4701
47021038
470300:52:10,092 --> 00:52:11,561
4704Who's in there now?
4705
47061039
470700:52:12,561 --> 00:52:15,230
4708Nuri. Second time.
4709
47101040
471100:52:15,231 --> 00:52:17,271
4712Had him take a lie detector
4713test yesterday.
4714
47151041
471600:52:22,271 --> 00:52:23,757
4717Mi-Yung!
4718
47191042
472000:53:22,465 --> 00:53:23,969
4721I did it.
4722
47231043
472400:53:25,969 --> 00:53:27,307
4725It was me.
4726
47271044
472800:53:31,307 --> 00:53:32,713
4729Oh, Katharine.
4730
47311045
473200:53:37,713 --> 00:53:38,713
4733Leave us, please.
4734
47351046
473600:54:33,168 --> 00:54:34,168
4737Handbag.
4738
47391047
474000:54:37,005 --> 00:54:38,775
4741Rings.
4742
47431048
474400:54:40,775 --> 00:54:42,346
4745Necklace.
4746
47471049
474800:54:43,346 --> 00:54:45,913
4749Watch. Belt.
4750
47511050
475200:54:45,914 --> 00:54:47,914
4753I don't have a belt.
4754
47551051
475600:54:50,585 --> 00:54:52,161
4757Take her through cell 7.
4758
47591052
476000:55:08,704 --> 00:55:11,909
4761I've found the passports
4762and a couple of foreign books.
4763
47641053
476500:55:13,909 --> 00:55:15,047
4766Who are you?
4767
47681054
476900:55:17,047 --> 00:55:18,050
4770Where's my wife?
4771
47721055
477300:55:21,050 --> 00:55:23,384
4774I want to see her.
4775Where is she?
4776
47771056
477800:55:23,385 --> 00:55:26,754
4779They can't keep me long.
4780They haven't charged me yet.
4781
47821057
478300:55:26,755 --> 00:55:28,260
4784No contact, please.
4785
47861058
478700:55:32,260 --> 00:55:33,760
4788Where are they holding you?
4789
47901059
479100:55:33,761 --> 00:55:35,132
4792Downstairs.
4793
47941060
479500:55:37,132 --> 00:55:39,177
4796I'm okay.
4797I promise I'm okay.
4798
47991061
480000:55:48,177 --> 00:55:49,581
4801I brought this.
4802
48031062
480400:55:51,581 --> 00:55:53,987
4805It will get cold tonight.
4806
48071063
480800:55:57,987 --> 00:55:58,987
4809Thank you.
4810
48111064
481200:56:14,570 --> 00:56:16,911
4813Lights out.
4814
48151065
481600:56:27,983 --> 00:56:29,483
4817Katharine Gun?
4818
48191066
482000:56:29,484 --> 00:56:30,585
4821Yes.
4822
48231067
482400:56:30,586 --> 00:56:33,856
4825We're from Scotland Yard.
4826Do you have a lawyer?
4827
48281068
482900:56:34,856 --> 00:56:35,757
4830No.
4831
48321069
483300:56:35,758 --> 00:56:38,125
4834There's a duty
4835solicitor on call.
4836
48371070
483800:56:38,126 --> 00:56:39,164
4839She'll sit in with you.
4840
48411071
484200:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,334
4843Your supervisor
4844speaks highly
4845of your integrity.
4846
48471072
484800:56:47,335 --> 00:56:51,672
4849She says this breach
4850was a foolish one-off.
4851
48521073
485300:56:51,673 --> 00:56:52,707
4854Was it?
4855
48561074
485700:56:52,708 --> 00:56:55,509
4858Do you mean if I leaked
4859anything else? No.
4860
48611075
486200:56:55,510 --> 00:56:56,510
4863Do you intend to?
4864
48651076
486600:56:56,511 --> 00:56:57,947
4867No.
4868
48691077
487000:56:58,947 --> 00:57:01,415
4871I've always been very proud
4872to work at GCHQ.
4873
48741078
487500:57:01,416 --> 00:57:02,416
4876Until now.
4877
48781079
487900:57:04,019 --> 00:57:06,287
4880Yes. Until now.
4881
48821080
488300:57:06,288 --> 00:57:08,525
4884What were you employed to do?
4885
48861081
488700:57:09,525 --> 00:57:11,896
4888Well, I can't be specific.
4889
48901082
489100:57:12,896 --> 00:57:14,264
4892Be general then.
4893
48941083
489500:57:15,264 --> 00:57:17,198
4896I translated signals
4897intelligence
4898
48991084
490000:57:17,199 --> 00:57:18,665
4901and I reported anything
4902
49031085
490400:57:18,666 --> 00:57:20,636
4905I thought
4906might be of interest
4907to my clients.
4908
49091086
491000:57:20,637 --> 00:57:22,637
4911Your clients?
4912
49131087
491400:57:20,637 --> 00:57:22,537
4915The Foreign Office.
4916
49171088
491800:57:22,538 --> 00:57:23,738
4919The Ministry of Defense.
4920
49211089
492200:57:23,739 --> 00:57:25,774
4923So, you work
4924for the British Government.
4925
49261090
492700:57:25,775 --> 00:57:27,275
4928No. Not really.
4929
49301091
493100:57:27,276 --> 00:57:28,642
4932No?
4933
49341092
493500:57:28,643 --> 00:57:30,544
4936Governments change.
4937
49381093
493900:57:30,545 --> 00:57:32,480
4940I work for the British people.
4941
49421094
494300:57:32,481 --> 00:57:33,481
4944I gather intelligence
4945
49461095
494700:57:34,016 --> 00:57:38,120
4948so that the government
4949can protect
4950the British people.
4951
49521096
495300:57:38,121 --> 00:57:41,388
4954I do not gather intelligence
4955so that the government can lie
4956
49571097
495800:57:41,389 --> 00:57:43,626
4959to the British people.
4960
49611098
496200:57:45,626 --> 00:57:48,363
4963With respect, Mrs. Gun,
4964
49651099
496600:57:48,364 --> 00:57:50,832
4967you're a spy.
4968
49691100
497000:57:50,833 --> 00:57:51,701
4971Yes.
4972
49731101
497400:57:51,702 --> 00:57:52,767
4975You gather information
4976
49771102
497800:57:52,768 --> 00:57:54,535
4979from people's phones
4980and computers
4981
49821103
498300:57:54,536 --> 00:57:56,538
4984and you feed that
4985to your clients.
4986
49871104
498800:57:56,539 --> 00:57:58,539
4989Yes.
4990
49911105
499200:57:58,540 --> 00:58:00,207
4993You eavesdrop
4994on private conversations.
4995
49961106
499700:58:00,208 --> 00:58:02,377
4998And now you're upset
4999at being asked to do that
5000
50011107
500200:58:02,378 --> 00:58:04,245
5003to members
5004of the Security Council?
5005
50061108
500700:58:04,246 --> 00:58:05,948
5008Detective...
5009
50101109
501100:58:05,949 --> 00:58:09,018
5012I don't object to being asked
5013to collect information
5014
50151110
501600:58:10,018 --> 00:58:13,187
5017that could help
5018prevent a terror attack.
5019
50201111
502100:58:13,188 --> 00:58:17,491
5022What I object to
5023is being asked
5024to gather intelligence
5025
50261112
502700:58:17,492 --> 00:58:20,595
5028to help fix a vote at the UN
5029
50301113
503100:58:20,596 --> 00:58:23,237
5032and deceive the world
5033into going to war.
5034
50351114
503600:58:27,237 --> 00:58:28,237
5037Who put you up to this?
5038
50391115
504000:58:28,238 --> 00:58:29,870
5041No one.
5042
50431116
504400:58:29,871 --> 00:58:31,506
5045But you gave the memo
5046to someone.
5047
50481117
504900:58:31,507 --> 00:58:33,942
5050Who did you give it to?
5051A journalist?
5052
50531118
505400:58:33,943 --> 00:58:36,912
5055Someone in the anti-war
5056movement?
5057
50581119
505900:58:36,913 --> 00:58:37,913
5060Your husband?
5061
50621120
506300:58:39,081 --> 00:58:40,348
5064You don't have
5065to answer that.
5066
50671121
506800:58:40,349 --> 00:58:41,649
5069No, I will answer that.
5070
50711122
507200:58:41,650 --> 00:58:43,685
5073My husband had absolutely
5074nothing to do with this.
5075
50761123
507700:58:43,686 --> 00:58:46,388
5078He was briefly detained
5079here, too, wasn't he?
5080
50811124
508200:58:46,389 --> 00:58:47,889
5083Pending deportation?
5084
50851125
508600:58:47,890 --> 00:58:49,323
5087Yes, he was.
5088
50891126
509000:58:49,324 --> 00:58:50,824
5091And then you married him.
5092
50931127
509400:58:50,825 --> 00:58:52,060
5095Yes.
5096
50971128
509800:58:52,061 --> 00:58:53,421
5099His paperwork
5100has been resubmitted.
5101
51021129
510300:58:54,028 --> 00:58:56,028
5104He signs in here once a week.
5105
51061130
510700:58:54,028 --> 00:58:56,266
5108He's a Muslim.
5109
51101131
511100:58:58,266 --> 00:58:59,334
5112I'm sorry?
5113
51141132
511500:58:59,335 --> 00:59:01,069
5116He's a Kurdish Turk
5117
51181133
511900:59:01,070 --> 00:59:04,138
5120seeking permanent residence
5121in Britain.
5122
51231134
512400:59:04,139 --> 00:59:07,841
5125And given what
5126Saddam Hussein has done
5127to the Kurdish people,
5128
51291135
513000:59:07,842 --> 00:59:12,080
5131murdering over
5132180,000 of them
5133with chemical weapons,
5134
51351136
513600:59:12,081 --> 00:59:13,515
5137I can assure you
5138
51391137
514000:59:13,516 --> 00:59:16,451
5141my husband has absolutely
5142no sympathy whatsoever
5143
51441138
514500:59:16,452 --> 00:59:17,585
5146with the Iraqi regime.
5147
51481139
514900:59:17,586 --> 00:59:18,854
5150Then why did you leak a memo
5151
51521140
515300:59:18,855 --> 00:59:22,089
5154intended to help
5155remove Saddam Hussein?
5156
51571141
515800:59:22,090 --> 00:59:23,191
5159'Cause by attacking Iraq,
5160
51611142
516200:59:23,192 --> 00:59:25,861
5163you don't simply attack
5164Saddam Hussein,
5165
51661143
516700:59:25,862 --> 00:59:29,096
5168you attack the country
5169of over 30 million people!
5170
51711144
517200:59:29,097 --> 00:59:31,665
5173And I cannot bear to think
5174of the pain and the suffering
5175
51761145
517700:59:31,666 --> 00:59:32,868
5178that that will cause.
5179
51801146
518100:59:32,869 --> 00:59:36,171
5182Frankly, I don't see
5183how anyone can bear it.
5184
51851147
518600:59:36,172 --> 00:59:38,939
5187Detective,
5188is she going to be
5189formally charged?
5190
51911148
519200:59:38,940 --> 00:59:40,942
5193That's a decision
5194for the Attorney General.
5195
51961149
519700:59:40,943 --> 00:59:45,680
5198Lord Goldsmith
5199will need time to decide
5200how to deal with you.
5201
52021150
520300:59:45,681 --> 00:59:47,482
5204The custody sergeant
5205will release you
5206
52071151
520800:59:47,483 --> 00:59:48,950
5209on police bail today.
5210
52111152
521200:59:48,951 --> 00:59:50,852
5213You'll be told
5214to return to the station
5215
52161153
521700:59:50,853 --> 00:59:52,854
5218in approximately three months,
5219
52201154
522100:59:52,855 --> 00:59:55,256
5222by which time a decision
5223on whether to charge you
5224
52251155
522600:59:55,257 --> 00:59:56,257
5227will have been made.
5228
52291156
523001:00:07,670 --> 01:00:09,373
5231Are you all right, janum?
5232
52331157
523401:00:10,373 --> 01:00:11,373
5235Are you all right?
5236
52371158
523801:00:11,374 --> 01:00:12,439
5239Yeah, come on.
5240
52411159
524201:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,241
5243Katharine?
5244
52451160
524601:00:14,242 --> 01:00:17,377
5247I'm sorry. I deal mostly
5248with petty criminals,
5249
52501161
525101:00:17,378 --> 01:00:19,647
5252drunks and drug addicts.
5253
52541162
525501:00:19,648 --> 01:00:21,750
5256If you're charged,
5257you're gonna need someone
5258
52591163
526001:00:21,751 --> 01:00:23,951
5261with a lot more
5262experience than me.
5263
52641164
526501:00:23,952 --> 01:00:25,452
5266I see.
5267
52681165
526901:00:25,453 --> 01:00:26,921
5270Have you heard of Liberty?
5271
52721166
527301:00:26,922 --> 01:00:28,756
5274They handle human rights cases,
5275
52761167
527701:00:28,757 --> 01:00:32,160
5278political cases, often for free.
5279
52801168
528101:00:32,161 --> 01:00:36,930
5282Well... I just wanted
5283to be sure you knew that.
5284
52851169
528601:00:36,931 --> 01:00:38,931
5287Good luck.
5288
52891170
529001:00:36,931 --> 01:00:38,399
5291Thank you.
5292
52931171
529401:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,400
5295Thank you.
5296
52971172
529801:00:42,070 --> 01:00:43,772
5299George W. Bush's patience
5300
53011173
530201:00:43,773 --> 01:00:45,372
5303with the United Nation
5304has run out
5305
53061174
530701:00:45,373 --> 01:00:48,243
5308because they haven't managed
5309to get those nine votes
5310
53111175
531201:00:48,244 --> 01:00:50,779
5313at the Security Council
5314which would give them,
5315
53161176
531701:00:50,780 --> 01:00:52,513
5318what they call,
5319a moral majority.
5320
53211177
532201:00:52,514 --> 01:00:56,417
5323That represents a real failure
5324of American diplomacy.
5325
53261178
532701:00:56,418 --> 01:00:58,718
5328This is the man who's
5329advising Tony Blair
5330
53311179
533201:00:58,719 --> 01:01:00,721
5333on the legality of war.
5334
53351180
533601:01:00,722 --> 01:01:02,189
5337The Attorney General
5338Lord Goldsmith
5339
53401181
534101:01:02,190 --> 01:01:04,892
5342has, I understand,
5343told the Prime Minister
5344
53451182
534601:01:04,893 --> 01:01:08,162
5347military action would be legal
5348without a second resolution.
5349
53501183
535101:01:08,163 --> 01:01:09,897
5352But it's all down
5353to interpretation.
5354
53551184
535601:01:09,898 --> 01:01:11,665
5357What is she saying?
5358They have not got the votes
5359
53601185
536101:01:11,666 --> 01:01:13,535
5362but they're going to war,
5363anyway?
5364
53651186
536601:01:13,536 --> 01:01:16,538
5367...arguing old
5368UN resolutions don't count
5369
53701187
537101:01:16,539 --> 01:01:19,573
5372and war is illegal
5373without a new one
5374
53751188
537601:01:19,574 --> 01:01:20,908
5377or a new threat.
5378
53791189
538001:01:20,909 --> 01:01:22,176
5381So the troops are in place.
5382
53831190
538401:01:22,177 --> 01:01:24,379
5385Some UN inspectors
5386are quitting Iraq.
5387
53881191
538901:01:24,380 --> 01:01:26,046
5390Just how close are we to war?
5391
53921192
539301:01:26,047 --> 01:01:28,716
5394Fergus has been assessing
5395the evidence. Fergus?
5396
53971193
539801:01:28,717 --> 01:01:30,285
5399All the signs are now
5400
54011194
540201:01:30,286 --> 01:01:32,422
5403that war is very,
5404very close now...
5405
54061195
540701:01:34,422 --> 01:01:35,858
5408Hi.
5409
54101196
541101:01:36,858 --> 01:01:38,858
5412Do you wanna come in?
5413
54141197
541501:01:36,858 --> 01:01:38,259
5416Oh, no, no, no.
5417
54181198
541901:01:38,260 --> 01:01:40,361
5420I'm all packed for London.
5421
54221199
542301:01:40,362 --> 01:01:42,495
5424I just, um...
5425
54261200
542701:01:42,496 --> 01:01:45,969
5428I just wanted to say,
5429I think that
5430what you did was amazing.
5431
54321201
543301:01:46,969 --> 01:01:48,969
5434You do?
5435
54361202
543701:01:48,970 --> 01:01:50,706
5438Yeah. A lot of us do.
5439
54401203
544101:01:51,706 --> 01:01:52,706
5442Really?
5443
54441204
544501:01:54,376 --> 01:01:56,646
5446Are they going to charge you?
5447
54481205
544901:01:57,646 --> 01:01:58,646
5450I don't know.
5451
54521206
545301:02:01,117 --> 01:02:03,984
5454God, Kat, I'm so sorry.
5455
54561207
545701:02:03,985 --> 01:02:05,720
5458Hey, you didn't do
5459anything wrong.
5460
54611208
546201:02:05,721 --> 01:02:08,998
5463I didn't do
5464anything right. I...
5465
54661209
546701:02:17,766 --> 01:02:20,641
5468I better be going. Bye.
5469
54701210
547101:02:41,824 --> 01:02:43,857
5472My fellow citizens,
5473
54741211
547501:02:43,858 --> 01:02:46,995
5476at this hour,
5477American and coalition forces
5478
54791212
548001:02:46,996 --> 01:02:49,730
5481are in the early stages
5482of military operations
5483
54841213
548501:02:49,731 --> 01:02:52,866
5486to disarm Iraq,
5487to free its people
5488
54891214
549001:02:52,867 --> 01:02:55,770
5491and to defend the world
5492from grave danger.
5493
54941215
549501:02:55,771 --> 01:02:59,674
5496Our nation enters
5497this conflict reluctantly,
5498
54991216
550001:02:59,675 --> 01:03:02,410
5501yet our purpose is sure.
5502
55031217
550401:03:02,411 --> 01:03:04,946
5505The people
5506of the United States
5507and our friends and allies
5508
55091218
551001:03:04,947 --> 01:03:08,383
5511will not live at the mercy
5512of an outlaw regime
5513
55141219
551501:03:08,384 --> 01:03:11,886
5516that threatens the peace
5517with weapons of mass murder.
5518
55191220
552001:03:16,992 --> 01:03:18,292
5521We will meet that threat now.
5522
55231221
552401:03:18,293 --> 01:03:21,229
5525We should have
5526got that memo out
5527sooner.
5528
55291222
553001:03:21,230 --> 01:03:22,730
5531We did what we could.
5532
55331223
553401:03:22,731 --> 01:03:24,497
5535We fucking failed.
5536
55371224
553801:03:24,498 --> 01:03:26,468
5539So that we
5540do not have to meet it later
5541
55421225
554301:03:26,469 --> 01:03:30,605
5544with armies of firefighters
5545and police and doctors
5546
55471226
554801:03:30,606 --> 01:03:33,140
5549on the streets of our cities.
5550
55511227
555201:03:33,141 --> 01:03:35,076
5553Now that conflict has come,
5554
55551228
555601:03:35,077 --> 01:03:36,944
5557the only way
5558to limit its duration
5559
55601229
556101:03:36,945 --> 01:03:39,413
5562is to apply decisive force.
5563
55641230
556501:03:39,414 --> 01:03:41,216
5566I'm so fucking naive.
5567
55681231
556901:03:41,217 --> 01:03:44,384
5570This will not be a campaign
5571of half measures
5572
55731232
557401:03:44,385 --> 01:03:47,721
5575and we will accept
5576no outcome but victory.
5577
55781233
557901:04:04,974 --> 01:04:06,945
5580I have to go.
5581
55821234
558301:04:09,945 --> 01:04:12,247
5584You want to come to the cafe?
5585
55861235
558701:04:12,248 --> 01:04:13,889
5588Work with me?
5589
55901236
559101:04:19,889 --> 01:04:21,693
5592I'll call you later.
5593
55941237
559501:04:24,693 --> 01:04:26,463
5596If we use the phones,
5597
55981238
559901:04:27,463 --> 01:04:29,431
5600they'll be listening.
5601
56021239
560301:04:30,431 --> 01:04:32,767
5604Let them listen.
5605
56061240
560701:04:32,768 --> 01:04:34,806
5608We have nothing to hide.
5609
56101241
561101:04:37,806 --> 01:04:39,943
5612You should contact
5613those lawyers...
5614
56151242
561601:04:41,943 --> 01:04:43,346
5617...today.
5618
56191243
562001:04:44,346 --> 01:04:45,804
5621Please.
5622
56231244
562401:05:11,106 --> 01:05:12,106
5625Hello?
5626
56271245
562801:05:12,107 --> 01:05:13,341
5629Hi. Uh, it's Katharine.
5630
56311246
563201:05:13,342 --> 01:05:14,908
5633Uh, Katharine Gun.
5634I phoned this morning.
5635
56361247
563701:05:14,909 --> 01:05:18,014
5638Oh, yes, Katharine.
5639Please, um, come on up.
5640
56411248
564201:05:24,985 --> 01:05:25,985
5643Katharine?
5644
56451249
564601:05:25,986 --> 01:05:26,986
5647Hello.
5648
56491250
565001:05:26,987 --> 01:05:29,156
5651James.
5652Lovely to meet you.
5653
56541251
565501:05:29,157 --> 01:05:30,157
5656Thanks for seeing me.
5657
56581252
565901:05:29,157 --> 01:05:30,924
5660Not at all.
5661
56621253
566301:05:30,925 --> 01:05:32,359
5664I'm sorry about the decor.
5665
56661254
566701:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,263
5668We like to say
5669we focus more
5670on our clients.
5671
56721255
567301:05:35,264 --> 01:05:37,430
5674This is Shami Chakrabarti,
5675our director.
5676
56771256
567801:05:37,431 --> 01:05:39,431
5679Hello, Katharine.
5680
56811257
568201:05:39,432 --> 01:05:41,435
5683And this is Ben Emmerson.
5684
56851258
568601:05:41,436 --> 01:05:42,502
5687Hi.
5688
56891259
569001:05:42,503 --> 01:05:43,770
5691Hello.
5692
56931260
569401:05:43,771 --> 01:05:46,107
5695This was the only memo you took?
5696
56971261
569801:05:46,108 --> 01:05:47,108
5699Yes.
5700
57011262
570201:05:47,109 --> 01:05:48,576
5703No one suggested you take it?
5704
57051263
570601:05:48,577 --> 01:05:50,077
5707No.
5708
57091264
571001:05:50,078 --> 01:05:51,578
5711And you've never
5712met Martin Bright?
5713
57141265
571501:05:51,579 --> 01:05:52,647
5716No.
5717
57181266
571901:05:52,648 --> 01:05:53,514
5720Martin called me last week.
5721
57221267
572301:05:53,515 --> 01:05:55,216
5724He said he didn't know
5725who you were,
5726
57271268
572801:05:55,217 --> 01:05:58,620
5729but he wanted us to be aware
5730that you might need our help.
5731
57321269
573301:05:58,621 --> 01:06:00,555
5734Well, that was very kind of him.
5735
57361270
573701:06:00,556 --> 01:06:02,957
5738He said he got the memo
5739from someone he knew
5740
57411271
574201:06:02,958 --> 01:06:04,924
5743but he wouldn't say who.
5744
57451272
574601:06:04,925 --> 01:06:07,798
5747Do you want to tell us
5748who you gave it to?
5749
57501273
575101:06:10,798 --> 01:06:12,901
5752Look,
5753
57541274
575501:06:12,902 --> 01:06:16,738
5756if you don't mind,
5757I would prefer not to say.
5758
57591275
576001:06:16,739 --> 01:06:18,939
5761I promised I wouldn't.
5762
57631276
576401:06:18,940 --> 01:06:21,076
5765Okay.
5766
57671277
576801:06:21,077 --> 01:06:23,197
5769When you met Yasar, he had
5770already applied for asylum.
5771
57721278
577301:06:24,012 --> 01:06:25,012
5774Yes.
5775
57761279
577701:06:25,013 --> 01:06:26,346
5778Which was denied.
5779
57801280
578101:06:26,347 --> 01:06:30,116
5782Yes, uh, they said
5783that there wasn't
5784a significant enough risk
5785
57861281
578701:06:30,117 --> 01:06:32,087
5788of persecution if he went back.
5789
57901282
579101:06:32,088 --> 01:06:33,788
5792And that's when you married him?
5793
57941283
579501:06:33,789 --> 01:06:34,789
5796Yes.
5797
57981284
579901:06:34,790 --> 01:06:35,890
5800And did he pay you?
5801
58021285
580301:06:35,891 --> 01:06:37,091
5804Absolutely not.
5805
58061286
580701:06:37,092 --> 01:06:38,225
5808I'm sorry,
5809I don't mean to upset you.
5810
58111287
581201:06:38,226 --> 01:06:40,060
5813It's just that
5814your husband is Muslim
5815
58161288
581701:06:40,061 --> 01:06:41,901
5818and the prosecution
5819will be looking for motive.
5820
58211289
582201:06:42,030 --> 01:06:45,232
5823My motive was to stop a war
5824
58251290
582601:06:45,233 --> 01:06:49,669
5827and save lives. I failed.
5828
58291291
583001:06:49,670 --> 01:06:52,640
5831All I've managed to do is put
5832my husband's future at risk.
5833
58341292
583501:06:52,641 --> 01:06:54,408
5836And your own.
5837
58381293
583901:06:54,409 --> 01:06:56,076
5840In fact, by leaking information
5841
58421294
584301:06:56,077 --> 01:06:57,846
5844to try and stop a war, I'd argue
5845
58461295
584701:06:57,847 --> 01:06:59,327
5848that you chose loyalty
5849to your country
5850
58511296
585201:07:00,014 --> 01:07:04,319
5853over loyalty
5854to your government,
5855your marriage and yourself.
5856
58571297
585801:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,590
5859You had nothing to gain
5860and everything to lose.
5861
58621298
586301:07:08,590 --> 01:07:11,126
5864I think that speaks
5865rather highly of you.
5866
58671299
586801:07:12,126 --> 01:07:15,296
5869He's trying
5870to give you a compliment.
5871
58721300
587301:07:15,297 --> 01:07:16,264
5874I see.
5875
58761301
587701:07:16,265 --> 01:07:18,332
5878Part of our job
5879is to try and anticipate
5880
58811302
588201:07:18,333 --> 01:07:21,535
5883what the prosecution's
5884going to throw at you.
5885
58861303
588701:07:21,536 --> 01:07:24,339
5888Some of the people we meet
5889are looking for attention,
5890
58911304
589201:07:24,340 --> 01:07:26,640
5893a way to elevate
5894their humdrum lives.
5895
58961305
589701:07:26,641 --> 01:07:28,141
5898Well, I'm not.
5899
59001306
590101:07:28,142 --> 01:07:29,382
5902No, I don't think you are.
5903
59041307
590501:07:33,382 --> 01:07:34,349
5906Sorry.
5907
59081308
590901:07:34,350 --> 01:07:36,618
5910There's nothing to be sorry for.
5911
59121309
591301:07:36,619 --> 01:07:38,486
5914We're here to help.
5915
59161310
591701:07:41,289 --> 01:07:42,890
5918And we don't have duress.
5919
59201311
592101:07:42,891 --> 01:07:46,727
5922She's adamant
5923no outside agency
5924put any pressure on her.
5925
59261312
592701:07:46,728 --> 01:07:48,462
5928Public interest?
5929
59301313
593101:07:48,463 --> 01:07:50,964
5932The public has
5933a right to know when
5934their government is lying.
5935
59361314
593701:07:50,965 --> 01:07:52,933
5938We cite the Falklands case
5939
59401315
594101:07:52,934 --> 01:07:54,602
5942when Thatcher lied
5943about why she ordered
5944
59451316
594601:07:54,603 --> 01:07:56,270
5947the sinking
5948of that Argentinian ship.
5949
59501317
595101:07:56,271 --> 01:07:57,271
5952Belgrano.
5953
59541318
595501:07:56,271 --> 01:07:57,571
5956Yeah.
5957
59581319
595901:07:57,572 --> 01:07:59,072
5960Who was the whistleblower?
5961
59621320
596301:07:59,073 --> 01:08:00,073
5964Clive Ponting.
5965
59661321
596701:08:00,074 --> 01:08:01,375
5968The jury acquitted him,
5969didn't they?
5970
59711322
597201:08:01,376 --> 01:08:02,643
5973Yes, and immediately afterwards,
5974
59751323
597601:08:02,644 --> 01:08:04,611
5977Thatcher had
5978the Official Secrets Act
5979amended
5980
59811324
598201:08:04,612 --> 01:08:06,446
5983to avoid being
5984caught in a lie
5985in the future.
5986
59871325
598801:08:06,447 --> 01:08:08,716
5989So since '89,
5990the public interest is
5991
59921326
599301:08:08,717 --> 01:08:11,654
5994effectively whatever
5995the government says
5996that it is.
5997
59981327
599901:08:12,654 --> 01:08:14,321
6000We've got nothing.
6001
60021328
600301:08:14,322 --> 01:08:16,224
6004I have to think about it.
6005
60061329
600701:08:16,225 --> 01:08:18,526
6008Sorry, I have to go.
6009
60101330
601101:08:18,527 --> 01:08:20,264
6012I promised Anne a weekend away.
6013
60141331
601501:08:22,264 --> 01:08:24,965
6016If they charge her,
6017we might have
6018to plead guilty
6019
60201332
602101:08:24,966 --> 01:08:26,466
6022and ask for a reduced sentence.
6023
60241333
602501:08:26,467 --> 01:08:28,736
6026But she's young and principled.
6027
60281334
602901:08:28,737 --> 01:08:31,337
6030A judge might even think
6031that what she did
6032was morally right.
6033
60341335
603501:08:31,338 --> 01:08:33,810
6036Or crucify her as a traitor.
6037
60381336
603901:08:35,810 --> 01:08:36,810
6040Bye.
6041
60421337
604301:09:04,372 --> 01:09:05,872
6044You sure he was following you?
6045
60461338
604701:09:05,873 --> 01:09:07,375
6048He was staring at me.
6049
60501339
605101:09:07,376 --> 01:09:08,442
6052Sometimes men stare...
6053
60541340
605501:09:08,443 --> 01:09:09,544
6056Yeah, it wasn't
6057that kind of a stare.
6058
60591341
606001:09:09,545 --> 01:09:10,665
6061What kind of a stare was it?
6062
60631342
606401:09:11,011 --> 01:09:14,113
6065Yas, please,
6066I'm scared. Okay?
6067
60681343
606901:09:14,114 --> 01:09:15,185
6070I'm scared.
6071
60721344
607301:09:17,185 --> 01:09:19,487
6074You know, for years,
6075I've tried to be legal here.
6076
60771345
607801:09:19,488 --> 01:09:21,488
6079I know.
6080
60811346
608201:09:19,488 --> 01:09:21,054
6083Then why'd you do it?
6084
60851347
608601:09:21,055 --> 01:09:23,291
6087These arseholes got
6088their war, anyway.
6089
60901348
609101:09:23,292 --> 01:09:25,126
6092Saddam's over.
6093And you know what?
6094
60951349
609601:09:25,127 --> 01:09:26,127
6097I'm glad he's over!
6098
60991350
610001:09:26,128 --> 01:09:27,261
6101War is not over.
6102
61031351
610401:09:27,262 --> 01:09:28,795
6105Ousting Saddam
6106is just the beginning.
6107
61081352
610901:09:28,796 --> 01:09:30,296
6110What do you know about war?
6111
61121353
611301:09:30,297 --> 01:09:31,465
6114I work at GCHQ.
6115
61161354
611701:09:31,466 --> 01:09:33,634
6118All you do is listen
6119to people talking!
6120
61211355
612201:09:33,635 --> 01:09:36,403
6123You've never seen war!
6124You've never smelled it!
6125
61261356
612701:09:36,404 --> 01:09:37,603
6128Never even come close to it!
6129
61301357
613101:09:37,604 --> 01:09:39,941
6132Yas, I understand
6133why you are angry.
6134
61351358
613601:09:39,942 --> 01:09:42,175
6137It is my fault and I'm sorry.
6138
61391359
614001:09:42,176 --> 01:09:44,077
6141I am so sorry.
6142
61431360
614401:09:44,078 --> 01:09:49,050
6145But I watched Blair
6146with his smug smile
6147
61481361
614901:09:49,051 --> 01:09:51,818
6150and his sterile speeches
6151that tell us nothing
6152
61531362
615401:09:51,819 --> 01:09:55,855
6155of what it must feel
6156like to be a child
6157in Iraq right now.
6158
61591363
616001:09:55,856 --> 01:09:58,492
6161I know I'm not sorry
6162that I tried to stop him.
6163
61641364
616501:09:58,493 --> 01:09:59,561
6166I'm not.
6167
61681365
616901:10:00,561 --> 01:10:02,830
6170I'm only sorry that I failed.
6171
61721366
617301:10:10,639 --> 01:10:13,840
6174Thank you for inviting us in.
6175
61761367
617701:10:13,841 --> 01:10:15,108
6178What is it you came to say?
6179
61801368
618101:10:15,109 --> 01:10:18,879
6182Well, there's been
6183a development.
6184
61851369
618601:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,380
6187Am I going to be charged?
6188
61891370
619001:10:20,381 --> 01:10:21,549
6191That I don't know.
6192
61931371
619401:10:21,550 --> 01:10:23,685
6195Then why are you here?
6196
61971372
619801:10:24,685 --> 01:10:27,120
6199I gather you went to see
6200a lawyer today.
6201
62021373
620301:10:27,121 --> 01:10:28,121
6204Did you follow me?
6205
62061374
620701:10:27,121 --> 01:10:28,456
6208No.
6209
62101375
621101:10:28,457 --> 01:10:29,590
6212Because somebody did.
6213
62141376
621501:10:29,591 --> 01:10:31,358
6216Well, you must know
6217that after what you did,
6218
62191377
622001:10:31,359 --> 01:10:33,193
6221GCHQ is concerned.
6222
62231378
622401:10:33,194 --> 01:10:35,763
6225I have a right to legal advice.
6226
62271379
622801:10:35,764 --> 01:10:39,666
6229Unfortunately,
6230it's not as simple as that.
6231
62321380
623301:10:39,667 --> 01:10:42,435
6234When you signed on
6235to work for GCHQ,
6236
62371381
623801:10:42,436 --> 01:10:45,438
6239you agreed to be bound
6240by the Official Secrets Act
6241
62421382
624301:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,541
6244for the rest of your life.
6245
62461383
624701:10:47,542 --> 01:10:49,510
6248I know what I signed, detective.
6249
62501384
625101:10:49,511 --> 01:10:54,247
6252Mm, then you know
6253that it says here
6254
62551385
625601:10:54,248 --> 01:10:56,649
6257in Section 1-1
6258
62591386
626001:10:56,650 --> 01:10:59,219
6261that "a person is
6262guilty of an offense
6263
62641387
626501:10:59,220 --> 01:11:02,556
6266"if he or she
6267
62681388
626901:11:02,557 --> 01:11:04,657
6270"discloses any information
6271
62721389
627301:11:04,658 --> 01:11:08,461
6274"relating to security
6275or intelligence."
6276
62771390
627801:11:08,462 --> 01:11:12,099
6279This means that you cannot
6280discuss anything
6281
62821391
628301:11:12,100 --> 01:11:15,103
6284with anyone outside of GCHQ
6285
62861392
628701:11:15,104 --> 01:11:17,373
6288relating to
6289the document you leaked.
6290
62911393
629201:11:19,373 --> 01:11:21,642
6293Are you saying
6294I can't talk to a lawyer?
6295
62961394
629701:11:21,643 --> 01:11:23,678
6298Oh, you have the right
6299to talk to a lawyer.
6300
63011395
630201:11:23,679 --> 01:11:25,612
6303It's just that
6304you cannot discuss
6305
63061396
630701:11:25,613 --> 01:11:29,149
6308anything to do with
6309your work at GCHQ,
6310
63111397
631201:11:29,150 --> 01:11:31,117
6313or the contents
6314of the memo you leaked,
6315
63161398
631701:11:31,118 --> 01:11:33,321
6318or how it came
6319into your possession
6320
63211399
632201:11:33,322 --> 01:11:34,322
6323or who wrote it.
6324
63251400
632601:11:36,190 --> 01:11:39,326
6327All of this information
6328is top secret.
6329
63301401
633101:11:39,327 --> 01:11:42,429
6332So disclosing it
6333to anyone outside of GCHQ,
6334
63351402
633601:11:42,430 --> 01:11:44,564
6337even a lawyer,
6338
63391403
634001:11:44,565 --> 01:11:48,368
6341would be a further violation
6342of the Official Secrets Act,
6343
63441404
634501:11:48,369 --> 01:11:51,671
6346which could result
6347in further prosecution
6348
63491405
635001:11:51,672 --> 01:11:54,546
6351and a much longer
6352prison sentence.
6353
63541406
635501:11:57,546 --> 01:12:00,184
6356We just wanted
6357you to be aware of that.
6358
63591407
636001:12:02,184 --> 01:12:06,519
6361So if I may not
6362talk to a lawyer,
6363who may I talk to?
6364
63651408
636601:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,288
6367You should talk to
6368your superiors at GCHQ.
6369
63701409
637101:12:09,289 --> 01:12:10,789
6372Are you fucking joking?
6373
63741410
637501:12:10,790 --> 01:12:12,859
6376Yas, please. Please.
6377
63781411
637901:12:12,860 --> 01:12:15,595
6380We should hear what
6381the detectives have to say.
6382
63831412
638401:12:15,596 --> 01:12:17,536
6385They're just doing their job.
6386
63871413
638801:12:20,536 --> 01:12:25,572
6389Simply put, if you wish
6390to tell anything to a lawyer
6391
63921414
639301:12:25,573 --> 01:12:28,409
6394or the press or anyone else...
6395
63961415
639701:12:29,409 --> 01:12:32,184
6398...you first need to
6399clear it with GCHQ.
6400
64011416
640201:12:36,184 --> 01:12:37,587
6403Detective...
6404
64051417
640601:12:38,587 --> 01:12:41,554
6407I leaked only one memo.
6408
64091418
641001:12:41,555 --> 01:12:42,889
6411I had good reason to do so
6412
64131419
641401:12:42,890 --> 01:12:46,193
6415and I intend to make
6416those reasons public
6417
64181420
641901:12:46,194 --> 01:12:48,764
6420if I am charged.
6421
64221421
642301:12:49,764 --> 01:12:51,898
6424I will not talk
6425to my lawyers again
6426
64271422
642801:12:51,899 --> 01:12:54,537
6429unless I am charged.
6430
64311423
643201:12:55,537 --> 01:12:57,545
6433Tell that to GCHQ.
6434
64351424
643601:13:03,545 --> 01:13:05,045
6437Are you grilling
6438or smoking that fish?
6439
64401425
644101:13:05,046 --> 01:13:08,148
6442I am smoking.
6443I've soaked the
6444wood chips in water.
6445
64461426
644701:13:08,149 --> 01:13:09,250
6448I've got charcoal.
6449
64501427
645101:13:09,251 --> 01:13:12,219
6452I'm... I'm trying
6453something new.
6454
64551428
645601:13:12,220 --> 01:13:13,220
6457Hi.
6458
64591429
646001:13:13,221 --> 01:13:14,889
6461Ken?
6462
64631430
646401:13:14,890 --> 01:13:16,890
6465Hi.
6466
64671431
646801:13:14,890 --> 01:13:16,322
6469Hi, Ken.
6470
64711432
647201:13:16,323 --> 01:13:19,323
6473Guess you're down here
6474for the weekend.
6475
64761433
647701:13:16,323 --> 01:13:19,292
6478Yes. Just for the night.
6479
64801434
648101:13:19,293 --> 01:13:20,827
6482Yeah, me too.
6483It's been a while.
6484
64851435
648601:13:20,828 --> 01:13:23,429
6487Mm-hmm. Would you, uh...
6488Do you want a drink?
6489
64901436
649101:13:23,430 --> 01:13:26,233
6492Uh, no, thanks.
6493Sally's cooking dinner.
6494
64951437
649601:13:26,234 --> 01:13:27,234
6497Hello, Anne.
6498
64991438
650001:13:27,235 --> 01:13:28,669
6501Hi.
6502
65031439
650401:13:28,670 --> 01:13:30,170
6505I'm so sorry to intrude.
6506
65071440
650801:13:30,171 --> 01:13:31,938
6509Oh, not at all.
6510
65111441
651201:13:31,939 --> 01:13:33,706
6513How's the new job?
6514
65151442
651601:13:33,707 --> 01:13:37,611
6517Well, it's, um, eye-opening.
6518
65191443
652001:13:37,612 --> 01:13:41,348
6521In fact, I wondered
6522if I might ask Ben's opinion
6523
65241444
652501:13:41,349 --> 01:13:44,952
6526about a new case
6527that my office has been
6528asked to prosecute.
6529
65301445
653101:13:44,953 --> 01:13:48,389
6532It won't take a minute.
6533Would you mind?
6534
65351446
653601:13:48,390 --> 01:13:50,390
6537How do you know that I met her?
6538
65391447
654001:13:50,391 --> 01:13:53,160
6541Security services
6542are all over this.
6543
65441448
654501:13:53,161 --> 01:13:54,394
6546Mm-hmm.
6547
65481449
654901:13:54,395 --> 01:13:56,296
6550And it's not just
6551a domestic embarrassment.
6552
65531450
655401:13:56,297 --> 01:13:57,665
6555The Americans are very unhappy.
6556
65571451
655801:13:57,666 --> 01:13:59,166
6559Oh, well, that is upsetting.
6560
65611452
656201:13:59,167 --> 01:14:02,437
6563Oh, come on, Ben,
6564it's not funny.
6565
65661453
656701:14:02,438 --> 01:14:05,471
6568What she did was
6569a deliberate act
6570of betrayal.
6571
65721454
657301:14:05,472 --> 01:14:07,773
6574Look, Ken, we're not
6575colleagues anymore.
6576
65771455
657801:14:07,774 --> 01:14:09,175
6579We're on different sides here.
6580
65811456
658201:14:09,176 --> 01:14:13,781
6583I think she wants
6584to be seen as some
6585sort of cause celebre.
6586
65871457
658801:14:13,782 --> 01:14:17,984
6589But she swore allegiance
6590to the intelligence services
6591
65921458
659301:14:17,985 --> 01:14:20,319
6594and when you do that
6595you don't get to
6596pick and choose
6597
65981459
659901:14:20,320 --> 01:14:21,621
6600what orders you'll follow.
6601
66021460
660301:14:21,622 --> 01:14:23,991
6604Following orders
6605is not a defense
6606to a war crime.
6607
66081461
660901:14:23,992 --> 01:14:28,228
6610Yes, but who is she
6611to undermine
6612the strategic objectives
6613
66141462
661501:14:28,229 --> 01:14:31,229
6616of a democratically-elected
6617Prime Minister.
6618
66191463
662001:14:31,198 --> 01:14:34,401
6621Oh, come on,
6622she's not selling
6623state secrets to Moscow.
6624
66251464
662601:14:34,402 --> 01:14:36,670
6627She exposed an illegal attempt
6628
66291465
663001:14:36,671 --> 01:14:38,006
6631to secure
6632a UN resolution for war
6633
66341466
663501:14:39,006 --> 01:14:40,773
6636which would have
6637given Blair perfect cover
6638
66391467
664001:14:40,774 --> 01:14:42,341
6641for the bloody mess
6642that we're in now.
6643
66441468
664501:14:42,342 --> 01:14:44,511
6646No, she should have
6647kept her mouth shut
6648
66491469
665001:14:44,512 --> 01:14:46,746
6651or complained to her superiors.
6652
66531470
665401:14:46,747 --> 01:14:48,314
6655Now I've got
6656a real problem with people
6657
66581471
665901:14:48,315 --> 01:14:50,416
6660who think that
6661from some lowly position
6662
66631472
666401:14:50,417 --> 01:14:52,086
6665they can possibly see
6666the big picture.
6667
66681473
666901:14:52,087 --> 01:14:53,886
6670So then you would
6671never question authority
6672
66731474
667401:14:53,887 --> 01:14:55,656
6675even if you knew
6676it was breaking the law.
6677
66781475
667901:14:55,657 --> 01:14:58,559
6680Ben, you can't blame me
6681for being angry with her.
6682
66831476
668401:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,926
6685We're at war.
6686
66871477
668801:14:59,927 --> 01:15:02,129
6689So, I'm going to assign
6690the best prosecutor
6691in my office
6692
66931478
669401:15:02,130 --> 01:15:04,598
6695to bring this girl down,
6696which shouldn't be difficult.
6697
66981479
669901:15:04,599 --> 01:15:05,666
6700She's already confessed.
6701
67021480
670301:15:05,667 --> 01:15:07,600
6704I appreciate your determination
6705
67061481
670701:15:07,601 --> 01:15:11,507
6708to make an example of her,
6709but you shouldn't be here.
6710
67111482
671201:15:13,507 --> 01:15:14,974
6713Oh, come on, we're friends.
6714
67151483
671601:15:14,975 --> 01:15:17,111
6717I'll make my position
6718perfectly clear.
6719
67201484
672101:15:17,112 --> 01:15:19,546
6722If you charge her,
6723then I will defend her
6724
67251485
672601:15:19,547 --> 01:15:21,751
6727to the best of my ability.
6728
67291486
673001:15:23,751 --> 01:15:24,984
6731So let's go home and pretend
6732
67331487
673401:15:24,985 --> 01:15:27,622
6735that this conversation
6736never happened.
6737
67381488
673901:16:00,622 --> 01:16:02,922
6740You're not working today?
6741
67421489
674301:16:02,923 --> 01:16:06,662
6744No. I have to sign in
6745at the station.
6746
67471490
674801:16:08,662 --> 01:16:10,662
6749Then we can go for a hike.
6750
67511491
675201:16:10,663 --> 01:16:12,644
6753I want to see the sea.
6754
67551492
675601:16:25,546 --> 01:16:26,546
6757Leave it.
6758
67591493
676001:16:33,121 --> 01:16:35,889
6761Hi, we're not in.
6762Please leave a message.
6763
67641494
676501:16:35,890 --> 01:16:39,526
6766Katharine,
6767it's James Welch from Liberty.
6768
67691495
677001:16:39,527 --> 01:16:41,295
6771Uh, we should talk.
6772
67731496
677401:16:41,296 --> 01:16:44,430
6775Could give me a call
6776when you get the message?
6777
67781497
677901:16:44,431 --> 01:16:46,133
6780Hello?
6781
67821498
678301:16:46,134 --> 01:16:48,868
6784Oh, ah, Katharine.
6785
67861499
678701:16:48,869 --> 01:16:51,837
6788I'm afraid I have some bad news.
6789
67901500
679101:16:51,838 --> 01:16:54,041
6792Uh, James, you know that
6793
67941501
679501:16:54,042 --> 01:16:56,041
6796GCHQ said I
6797couldn't talk to you.
6798
67991502
680001:16:56,042 --> 01:16:57,611
6801Oh, then, well, the good news is
6802
68031503
680401:16:57,612 --> 01:16:59,880
6805we finally had
6806the gag order lifted.
6807
68081504
680901:16:59,881 --> 01:17:01,281
6810We've agreed to not
6811ask any questions
6812
68131505
681401:17:01,282 --> 01:17:04,216
6815about what other work
6816you did at GCHQ.
6817
68181506
681901:17:04,217 --> 01:17:07,957
6820But what happens going forward
6821isn't up to them.
6822
68231507
682401:17:08,957 --> 01:17:10,157
6825Your case is now in the hands
6826
68271508
682801:17:10,158 --> 01:17:12,462
6829of the Crown Prosecution
6830Service.
6831
68321509
683301:17:15,462 --> 01:17:17,635
6834They're going to charge you.
6835
68361510
683701:17:20,635 --> 01:17:22,707
6838We should meet next week.
6839
68401511
684101:17:25,707 --> 01:17:27,707
6842Katharine?
6843
68441512
684501:17:25,707 --> 01:17:27,143
6846Yes. Uh...
6847
68481513
684901:17:29,143 --> 01:17:30,979
6850Okay. Yeah.
6851
68521514
685301:17:31,979 --> 01:17:34,413
6854I know that this is
6855a lot to take in,
6856
68571515
685801:17:34,414 --> 01:17:35,648
6859but we will help you.
6860
68611516
686201:17:35,649 --> 01:17:37,052
6863Thank you.
6864
68651517
686601:17:39,052 --> 01:17:40,052
6867Okay.
6868
68691518
687001:17:39,052 --> 01:17:40,720
6871Thank you very much, James.
6872
68731519
687401:17:40,721 --> 01:17:41,721
6875Speak soon.
6876
68771520
687801:17:47,028 --> 01:17:50,096
6879"GCHQ whistleblower charged."
6880
68811521
688201:17:50,097 --> 01:17:51,465
6883"Traitor or spy?"
6884
68851522
688601:17:51,466 --> 01:17:52,867
6887"Spy speaks out."
6888
68891523
689001:17:52,868 --> 01:17:54,734
6891"The spy who wouldn't
6892keep a secret."
6893
68941524
689501:17:54,735 --> 01:17:57,270
6896"Who is Katharine Gun?"
6897
68981525
689901:17:57,271 --> 01:17:59,872
6900"Leak against this war."
6901
69021526
690301:17:59,873 --> 01:18:01,841
6904She's everywhere.
6905
69061527
690701:18:01,842 --> 01:18:03,011
6908What's your angle?
6909
69101528
691101:18:04,011 --> 01:18:05,515
6912Look.
6913
69141529
691501:18:06,515 --> 01:18:08,247
6916"Katharine Gun faces jail
6917for exposing
6918
69191530
692001:18:08,248 --> 01:18:10,451
6921"American corruption
6922in the run-up to war.
6923
69241531
692501:18:10,452 --> 01:18:12,752
6926"Now her
6927celebrity supporters insist
6928
69291532
693001:18:12,753 --> 01:18:15,121
6931"it is Bush and Blair
6932who should be in the dock."
6933
69341533
693501:18:15,122 --> 01:18:16,122
6936Celebrity supporters?
6937
69381534
693901:18:16,123 --> 01:18:17,124
6940Mm.
6941
69421535
694301:18:17,125 --> 01:18:19,091
6944Little tabloidy,
6945don't you think?
6946
69471536
694801:18:19,092 --> 01:18:21,961
6949Hey, we're building awareness.
6950How about Daniel Ellsberg?
6951
69521537
695301:18:21,962 --> 01:18:23,831
6954He leaked the Pentagon Papers.
6955
69561538
695701:18:23,832 --> 01:18:25,465
6958I know who Ellsberg is, Martin.
6959
69601539
696101:18:25,466 --> 01:18:27,033
6962Of course you do.
6963Forgive me.
6964
69651540
696601:18:27,034 --> 01:18:30,403
6967Well, Ellsberg
6968described it as...
6969
69701541
697101:18:30,404 --> 01:18:32,524
6972"The most important
6973and courageous leak
6974I've ever seen.
6975
69761542
697701:18:33,006 --> 01:18:34,642
6978"No one else has ever done
6979what she did.
6980
69811543
698201:18:34,643 --> 01:18:36,911
6983"Tell secret truths
6984at personal risks
6985
69861544
698701:18:36,912 --> 01:18:40,813
6988"before an imminent war,
6989in time, possibly,
6990to avert it."
6991
69921545
699301:18:40,814 --> 01:18:43,425
6994Okay, that's classy.
6995
69961546
699701:18:50,425 --> 01:18:51,448
6998I'll be quick.
6999
70001547
700101:19:17,519 --> 01:19:19,051
7002Are you waiting
7003for the tall man?
7004
70051548
700601:19:19,052 --> 01:19:20,052
7007The dark-haired one?
7008
70091549
701001:19:19,052 --> 01:19:20,955
7011Yeah.
7012
70131550
701401:19:20,956 --> 01:19:23,355
7015He was shouting
7016that his wife was outside.
7017
70181551
701901:19:23,356 --> 01:19:24,356
7020They took him.
7021
70221552
702301:19:23,356 --> 01:19:24,858
7024What?
7025
70261553
702701:19:24,859 --> 01:19:26,238
7028They took him.
7029
70301554
703101:19:37,238 --> 01:19:38,105
7032Where is he?
7033
70341555
703501:19:38,106 --> 01:19:39,839
7036Sorry. Who are you?
7037
70381556
703901:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,774
7040I'm Yasar Gun's wife.
7041Where's my husband?
7042
70431557
704401:19:41,775 --> 01:19:45,081
7045I'm sorry, ma'am.
7046He's scheduled
7047for deportation.
7048
70491558
705001:19:46,081 --> 01:19:46,081
7051What?
7052
70531559
705401:19:46,947 --> 01:19:48,747
7055No. No, no. Uh, no, no.
7056
70571560
705801:19:48,748 --> 01:19:50,548
7059Look, look, there's been
7060some sort of mistake.
7061
70621561
706301:19:51,019 --> 01:19:52,986
7064I need to see my husband
7065right now.
7066
70671562
706801:19:52,987 --> 01:19:54,890
7069I'm afraid that's not possible.
7070
70711563
707201:19:55,890 --> 01:19:57,624
7073You can't go in there!
7074
70751564
707601:19:57,625 --> 01:19:59,559
7077Please. Please,
7078please, please, please.
7079
70801565
708101:19:59,560 --> 01:20:00,926
7082Let me see him, please.
7083
70841566
708501:20:00,927 --> 01:20:02,129
7086Please, he doesn't
7087have anything with him.
7088
70891567
709001:20:02,130 --> 01:20:03,429
7091He doesn't even have any money.
7092
70931568
709401:20:03,430 --> 01:20:06,398
7095I'm sorry.
7096They've already taken him.
7097
70981569
709901:20:06,399 --> 01:20:08,468
7100No, no.
7101They won't say where.
7102
71031570
710401:20:08,469 --> 01:20:10,569
7105I don't know. Oh, God, James,
7106I don't know what to do.
7107
71081571
710901:20:10,570 --> 01:20:13,172
7110Katharine,
7111I'm so sorry.
7112I'm at the Hague.
7113
71141572
711501:20:13,173 --> 01:20:14,173
7116Who's your MP?
7117
71181573
711901:20:13,173 --> 01:20:14,974
7120I don't know.
7121
71221574
712301:20:14,975 --> 01:20:16,975
7124Is it Nigel Jones?
7125
71261575
712701:20:14,975 --> 01:20:16,876
7128Nigel Jones, yes. Yeah.
7129
71301576
713101:20:16,877 --> 01:20:18,112
7132Do you have
7133your marriage certificate?
7134
71351577
713601:20:18,113 --> 01:20:19,113
7137Uh, yeah, yeah, somewhere.
7138
71391578
714001:20:18,113 --> 01:20:19,645
7141Right.
7142
71431579
714401:20:19,646 --> 01:20:22,181
7145Find it and
7146I'll track Nigel down.
7147
71481580
714901:20:22,182 --> 01:20:23,450
7150Of course they're
7151legally married,
7152Beverly.
7153
71541581
715501:20:23,451 --> 01:20:25,318
7156I'm holding their
7157marriage certificate.
7158
71591582
716001:20:25,319 --> 01:20:26,553
7161I'm sorry,
7162but his application
7163
71641583
716501:20:26,554 --> 01:20:28,554
7166to remain in this country
7167has been denied.
7168
71691584
717001:20:28,555 --> 01:20:29,656
7171Mistakenly.
7172
71731585
717401:20:29,657 --> 01:20:31,157
7175He's complied
7176with every directive
7177
71781586
717901:20:31,158 --> 01:20:32,259
7180your department's issued.
7181
71821587
718301:20:32,260 --> 01:20:34,193
7184Nigel, your constituent
7185is accused
7186
71871588
718801:20:34,194 --> 01:20:35,627
7189of betraying her country.
7190
71911589
719201:20:35,628 --> 01:20:37,697
7193Do you really think we should
7194be helping her husband?
7195
71961590
719701:20:37,698 --> 01:20:40,501
7198I think deporting her husband
7199when she's facing a trial
7200
72011591
720201:20:40,502 --> 01:20:43,073
7203looks like state bullying.
7204
72051592
720601:20:46,073 --> 01:20:48,774
7207All right,
7208I'll review his paperwork.
7209
72101593
721101:20:48,775 --> 01:20:50,411
7212Thank you.
7213
72141594
721501:20:50,412 --> 01:20:53,412
7216And please make sure
7217he's not flown out tonight.
7218
72191595
722001:20:55,182 --> 01:20:57,651
7221I'm sorry.
7222Best I can do for now.
7223
72241596
722501:20:57,652 --> 01:21:00,819
7226I promise I will pick this up
7227first thing tomorrow.
7228
72291597
723001:21:00,820 --> 01:21:02,456
7231Hello?
7232
72331598
723401:21:02,457 --> 01:21:04,617
7235We tracked him
7236to Harmondsworth
7237Detention Center.
7238
72391599
724001:21:05,025 --> 01:21:07,461
7241It's a deportation center
7242at Heathrow Airport
7243
72441600
724501:21:07,462 --> 01:21:09,261
7246right off the M-25.
7247
72481601
724901:21:09,262 --> 01:21:11,197
7250Go to the main gate
7251and wait there.
7252
72531602
725401:21:11,198 --> 01:21:12,599
7255Uh, are they
7256gonna release him?
7257
72581603
725901:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,102
7260We have ministerial
7261approval but no paperwork yet.
7262
72631604
726401:21:15,103 --> 01:21:16,736
7265There is a possibility
7266
72671605
726801:21:16,737 --> 01:21:18,938
7269he's already
7270been put on a plane.
7271
72721606
727301:21:18,939 --> 01:21:20,939
7274What?
7275
72761607
727701:21:18,939 --> 01:21:20,306
7278Yeah, I'm checking.
7279
72801608
728101:21:20,307 --> 01:21:21,974
7282Just get there
7283as soon as you can.
7284
72851609
728601:21:21,975 --> 01:21:25,981
7287Out you go.
7288Let's go. Move it.
7289
72901610
729101:21:27,981 --> 01:21:30,183
7292This is a mistake, sir.
7293
72941611
729501:21:30,184 --> 01:21:31,184
7296This is a mistake.
7297
72981612
729901:21:31,185 --> 01:21:32,587
7300Come on.
7301
73021613
730301:21:33,587 --> 01:21:35,589
7304Please.
7305
73061614
730701:21:35,590 --> 01:21:38,327
7308I need to call my wife.
7309I must call my wife!
7310
73111615
731201:22:04,719 --> 01:22:05,719
7313Next in line.
7314
73151616
731601:22:29,443 --> 01:22:30,814
7317Hello?
7318
73191617
732001:22:35,617 --> 01:22:36,621
7321Hello?
7322
73231618
732401:22:44,759 --> 01:22:45,860
7325Yeah?
7326
73271619
732801:22:46,860 --> 01:22:48,461
7329James, James, um,
7330
73311620
733201:22:48,462 --> 01:22:50,897
7333I don't know if I'm
7334even at the right place.
7335
73361621
733701:22:50,898 --> 01:22:52,933
7338Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know,
7339but it's 4:00 a.m.
7340
73411622
734201:22:52,934 --> 01:22:55,401
7343There's nobody to talk to.
7344
73451623
734601:22:55,402 --> 01:22:58,774
7347Wait, wait.
7348Someone's coming. Wait.
7349
73501624
735101:22:59,774 --> 01:23:01,310
7352Oh, my God.
7353Oh, my God.
7354
73551625
735601:23:03,310 --> 01:23:05,178
7357I'm so sorry.
7358I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
7359
73601626
736101:23:05,179 --> 01:23:06,179
7362It's all right.
7363
73641627
736501:23:05,179 --> 01:23:06,345
7366You okay?
7367
73681628
736901:23:06,346 --> 01:23:07,346
7370I'm okay.
7371
73721629
737301:23:06,346 --> 01:23:07,413
7374Are you okay?
7375
73761630
737701:23:07,414 --> 01:23:08,414
7378You're okay?
7379
73801631
738101:23:08,415 --> 01:23:09,457
7382Yeah, yeah.
7383
73841632
738501:23:16,457 --> 01:23:17,924
7386If they try and pull
7387anything like that again,
7388
73891633
739001:23:17,925 --> 01:23:18,925
7391then I want to go public.
7392
73931634
739401:23:19,025 --> 01:23:20,025
7395Not a good idea.
7396
73971635
739801:23:19,025 --> 01:23:20,559
7399Why not?
7400
74011636
740201:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,961
7403Because people are fickle.
7404Many will hate you.
7405
74061637
740701:23:22,962 --> 01:23:24,797
7408Your personal lives
7409will be picked apart,
7410
74111638
741201:23:24,798 --> 01:23:26,398
7413your marriage
7414will be interrogated.
7415
74161639
741701:23:26,399 --> 01:23:28,268
7418In fact, we think
7419it will be best
7420
74211640
742201:23:28,269 --> 01:23:31,203
7423if Yasar was kept
7424well out of this.
7425
74261641
742701:23:31,204 --> 01:23:33,141
7428You should probably
7429not attend the trial.
7430
74311642
743201:23:35,141 --> 01:23:36,141
7433I understand.
7434
74351643
743601:23:36,142 --> 01:23:37,977
7437What? No.
7438
74391644
744001:23:37,978 --> 01:23:40,145
7441Janum, we both know
7442the jury will prefer
7443
74441645
744501:23:40,146 --> 01:23:41,880
7446an English girl without
7447an immigrant husband.
7448
74491646
745001:23:41,881 --> 01:23:43,215
7451You know what?
7452That is ridiculous.
7453
74541647
745501:23:43,216 --> 01:23:45,652
7456We are married and we have
7457nothing to be ashamed of.
7458
74591648
746001:23:45,653 --> 01:23:47,420
7461The shame is on them, not you.
7462
74631649
746401:23:47,421 --> 01:23:51,325
7465You don't need to risk
7466your freedom to prove it.
7467
74681650
746901:23:51,326 --> 01:23:54,126
7470We should discuss
7471how you'll plead.
7472
74731651
747401:23:54,127 --> 01:23:55,327
7475Not guilty.
7476
74771652
747801:23:55,328 --> 01:23:57,430
7479But you understand
7480you confessed.
7481
74821653
748301:23:57,431 --> 01:24:00,901
7484I confessed that
7485I leaked a memo in order
7486to try and save lives.
7487
74881654
748901:24:00,902 --> 01:24:05,505
7490And we will use that argument
7491to ask for a reduced sentence.
7492
74931655
749401:24:05,506 --> 01:24:08,474
7495If you do plead guilty,
7496there will be no jury.
7497
74981656
749901:24:08,475 --> 01:24:10,844
7500You could be out of jail
7501in less than six months.
7502
75031657
750401:24:10,845 --> 01:24:12,478
7505Given how badly
7506the war is going,
7507
75081658
750901:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,880
7510we think a judge
7511is likely to be sympathetic.
7512
75131659
751401:24:14,881 --> 01:24:17,216
7515But I'd have a criminal record.
7516
75171660
751801:24:17,217 --> 01:24:18,550
7519That is true.
7520
75211661
752201:24:18,551 --> 01:24:21,188
7523Which I would carry with me
7524for the rest of my life
7525
75261662
752701:24:21,189 --> 01:24:22,788
7528into every job interview,
7529
75301663
753101:24:22,789 --> 01:24:23,956
7532every application for credit.
7533
75341664
753501:24:23,957 --> 01:24:25,957
7536Yes.
7537
75381665
753901:24:23,957 --> 01:24:25,858
7540And I'm sorry.
7541
75421666
754301:24:25,859 --> 01:24:28,594
7544We would be conceding
7545
75461667
754701:24:28,595 --> 01:24:31,864
7548that no one in Intelligence
7549can ever tell
7550the British people
7551
75521668
755301:24:31,865 --> 01:24:33,567
7554when their government is lying.
7555
75561669
755701:24:33,568 --> 01:24:35,035
7558Not when
7559the lies are protected
7560
75611670
756201:24:35,036 --> 01:24:37,403
7563by the Official Secrets Act, no.
7564
75651671
756601:24:37,404 --> 01:24:38,737
7567I'm sorry.
7568This is all a charade.
7569
75701672
757101:24:38,738 --> 01:24:40,573
7572I mean, if you're saying
7573that I have to plead guilty
7574
75751673
757601:24:40,574 --> 01:24:43,343
7577because the act allows
7578absolutely no defense
7579whatsoever,
7580
75811674
758201:24:43,344 --> 01:24:45,746
7583then the very idea
7584of a fair trial is a joke.
7585
75861675
758701:24:45,747 --> 01:24:47,480
7588I'm sorry, Katharine,
7589
75901676
759101:24:47,481 --> 01:24:51,484
7592but the best we can do
7593is ask a judge
7594for leniency.
7595
75961677
759701:24:51,485 --> 01:24:54,252
7598Post Belgrano, there
7599really is no defense
7600
76011678
760201:24:54,253 --> 01:24:55,788
7603to a breach of
7604the Official Secrets Act...
7605
76061679
760701:24:55,789 --> 01:24:57,659
7608Except perhaps one.
7609
76101680
761101:24:58,659 --> 01:25:00,294
7612Katharine said it herself.
7613
76141681
761501:25:00,295 --> 01:25:02,996
7616She leaked the memo
7617to try to save lives.
7618
76191682
762001:25:02,997 --> 01:25:04,429
7621But she still broke the law.
7622
76231683
762401:25:04,430 --> 01:25:06,733
7625Yes, but there are
7626circumstances where
7627you can break the law.
7628
76291684
763001:25:06,734 --> 01:25:09,536
7631It's only in situations
7632of absolute necessity...
7633
76341685
763501:25:09,537 --> 01:25:11,537
7636Necessity. Exactly.
7637
76381686
763901:25:09,537 --> 01:25:11,006
7640Ben, you're reaching.
7641
76421687
764301:25:12,006 --> 01:25:15,309
7644Am I? What are
7645the requirements for
7646a defense of necessity?
7647
76481688
764901:25:15,310 --> 01:25:17,344
7650Imminent threat to your life
7651or the lives of others.
7652
76531689
765401:25:17,345 --> 01:25:19,947
7655Yeah, and no other reasonable
7656way to prevent loss of life.
7657
76581690
765901:25:19,948 --> 01:25:21,514
7660Yes, right, well,
7661the invasion posed
7662
76631691
766401:25:21,515 --> 01:25:23,616
7665an imminent threat
7666to thousands of lives.
7667
76681692
766901:25:23,617 --> 01:25:25,551
7670Katharine has no right
7671to try and prevent a war
7672
76731693
767401:25:25,552 --> 01:25:26,819
7675authorized by
7676the Attorney General.
7677
76781694
767901:25:26,820 --> 01:25:28,820
7680Unless the war is illegal.
7681
76821695
768301:25:28,821 --> 01:25:30,189
7684What?
7685
76861696
768701:25:30,190 --> 01:25:33,425
7688Wait, wait, so now we're going
7689to put the war on trial?
7690
76911697
769201:25:33,426 --> 01:25:34,594
7693Yes.
7694
76951698
769601:25:34,595 --> 01:25:39,064
7697I believe that Katharine Gun
7698tried to stop an illegal war.
7699
77001699
770101:25:39,065 --> 01:25:40,767
7702What she did was necessary
7703
77041700
770501:25:40,768 --> 01:25:44,136
7706to try to save
7707thousands of British-American
7708and Iraqi lives.
7709
77101701
771101:25:44,137 --> 01:25:47,239
7712And Goldsmith
7713specifically stated
7714
77151702
771601:25:47,240 --> 01:25:48,741
7717that the invasion was legal.
7718
77191703
772001:25:48,742 --> 01:25:51,611
7721He said so only three days
7722before the invasion.
7723
77241704
772501:25:51,612 --> 01:25:52,932
7726What was his position
7727before that?
7728
77291705
773001:25:53,014 --> 01:25:55,782
7731What was his advice
7732at the time Katharine
7733leaked the memo?
7734
77351706
773601:25:55,783 --> 01:25:57,783
7737Well, we have no idea.
7738
77391707
774001:25:55,783 --> 01:25:57,649
7741Well, I'd like to find out.
7742
77431708
774401:25:57,650 --> 01:25:59,285
7745Because Blair spent
7746a lot of energy
7747
77481709
774901:25:59,286 --> 01:26:01,888
7750trying to secure
7751a new UN resolution.
7752
77531710
775401:26:01,889 --> 01:26:03,122
7755I suppose.
7756
77571711
775801:26:03,123 --> 01:26:05,291
7759When Lord Goldsmith finally said
7760
77611712
776201:26:05,292 --> 01:26:08,862
7763the war was legal,
7764his deputy legal advisor
7765resigned.
7766
77671713
776801:26:08,863 --> 01:26:10,662
7769Yes, Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
7770Yeah, that's right.
7771
77721714
777301:26:10,663 --> 01:26:12,663
7774She resigned. Yes, yes.
7775
77761715
777701:26:10,663 --> 01:26:12,197
7778But she didn't say why.
7779
77801716
778101:26:12,198 --> 01:26:13,733
7782She couldn't.
7783
77841717
778501:26:13,734 --> 01:26:15,702
7786If she did,
7787she'd be charged under
7788the Official Secrets Act.
7789
77901718
779101:26:15,703 --> 01:26:17,903
7792So I need to get a meeting
7793with Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
7794
77951719
779601:26:17,904 --> 01:26:19,904
7797She's not gonna go public.
7798
77991720
780001:26:17,904 --> 01:26:19,872
7801She doesn't have to.
7802
78031721
780401:26:19,873 --> 01:26:21,107
7805All we need is a hint
7806
78071722
780801:26:21,108 --> 01:26:23,943
7809that Goldsmith
7810changed his mind
7811about the legality of the war.
7812
78131723
781401:26:23,944 --> 01:26:27,880
7815I'm sorry, Ben.
7816There are two ways
7817they could justify war.
7818
78191724
782001:26:27,881 --> 01:26:30,881
7821We've only addressed one.
7822
78231725
782401:26:27,881 --> 01:26:30,148
7825So what am I missing?
7826
78271726
782801:26:30,149 --> 01:26:31,149
7829Self-defense.
7830
78311727
783201:26:30,149 --> 01:26:31,617
7833Oh, come on.
7834
78351728
783601:26:31,618 --> 01:26:33,553
7837Does anyone honestly believe
7838that this country
7839
78401729
784101:26:33,554 --> 01:26:35,322
7842was about to be attacked
7843by Iraq?
7844
78451730
784601:26:35,323 --> 01:26:37,624
7847I do agree, but that's why
7848they trotted out Powell.
7849
78501731
785101:26:37,625 --> 01:26:39,625
7852To make the case for WMDs.
7853
78541732
785501:26:37,625 --> 01:26:39,858
7856Oh.
7857
78581733
785901:26:39,859 --> 01:26:41,661
7860If it's true that Iraq
7861has weapons of
7862mass destruction
7863
78641734
786501:26:41,662 --> 01:26:44,296
7866that pose an imminent threat
7867to this country,
7868
78691735
787001:26:44,297 --> 01:26:48,268
7871the war is legal
7872without a UN resolution.
7873
78741736
787501:26:48,269 --> 01:26:49,602
7876How many people actually believe
7877
78781737
787901:26:49,603 --> 01:26:51,504
7880Iraq still has weapons
7881of mass destruction?
7882
78831738
788401:26:51,505 --> 01:26:52,973
7885Well,
7886they're still looking.
7887
78881739
788901:26:52,974 --> 01:26:56,613
7890If we go down this route,
7891we better pray
7892none are found.
7893
78941740
789501:26:58,613 --> 01:27:01,885
7896I'm gonna get
7897Elizabeth Wilmshurst's number.
7898
78991741
790001:27:03,885 --> 01:27:06,586
7901You've put me
7902in a rather awkward position.
7903
79041742
790501:27:06,587 --> 01:27:10,656
7906I'm sorry, but thank you
7907for seeing me.
7908
79091743
791001:27:10,657 --> 01:27:13,725
7911I think what she did
7912took great courage.
7913
79141744
791501:27:13,726 --> 01:27:17,563
7916And she was naive,
7917of course, but brave.
7918
79191745
792001:27:17,564 --> 01:27:20,170
7921And you were
7922brave enough to resign.
7923
79241746
792501:27:23,170 --> 01:27:26,339
7926But not to speak out in public.
7927
79281747
792901:27:26,340 --> 01:27:29,742
7930If I had, I might have caused
7931more of a brouhaha.
7932
79331748
793401:27:29,743 --> 01:27:31,611
7935Sparked a proper debate.
7936
79371749
793801:27:31,612 --> 01:27:35,020
7939Can I ask you, uh,
7940how did you resign?
7941
79421750
794301:27:40,020 --> 01:27:41,756
7944I wrote a letter.
7945
79461751
794701:27:42,756 --> 01:27:45,892
7948And in that letter,
7949did you give
7950a reason
7951
79521752
795301:27:45,893 --> 01:27:47,926
7954for your resignation?
7955
79561753
795701:27:47,927 --> 01:27:51,264
7958I restated my position
7959on the legality
7960of going to war.
7961
79621754
796301:27:51,265 --> 01:27:53,131
7964Which was?
7965
79661755
796701:27:53,132 --> 01:27:55,501
7968That it would
7969not be lawful to use force
7970
79711756
797201:27:55,502 --> 01:27:58,871
7973without a new
7974Security Council resolution.
7975
79761757
797701:27:58,872 --> 01:28:03,810
7978Um, did Goldsmith initially
7979support your view?
7980
79811758
798201:28:04,810 --> 01:28:06,580
7983He did.
7984
79851759
798601:28:06,581 --> 01:28:08,814
7987He told Blair that
7988if military action were taken,
7989
79901760
799101:28:08,815 --> 01:28:10,983
7992he expected
7993the government to be accused
7994
79951761
799601:28:10,984 --> 01:28:13,021
7997of acting unlawfully.
7998
79991762
800001:28:15,021 --> 01:28:17,792
8001And was that a written opinion?
8002
80031763
800401:28:18,792 --> 01:28:20,729
8005It was a detailed
8006advisory document.
8007
80081764
800901:28:22,729 --> 01:28:26,064
8010Right, so then would that
8011have been his position
8012
80131765
801401:28:26,065 --> 01:28:29,202
8015at the time that Katharine Gun
8016printed the Koza memo
8017
80181766
801901:28:29,203 --> 01:28:30,240
8020on February 3?
8021
80221767
802301:28:33,240 --> 01:28:34,676
8024Yes.
8025
80261768
802701:28:36,676 --> 01:28:38,646
8028And then he went to Washington.
8029
80301769
803101:28:39,646 --> 01:28:41,081
8032Oh, really?
8033
80341770
803501:28:41,082 --> 01:28:43,082
8036Well, who did he meet there?
8037
80381771
803901:28:43,083 --> 01:28:45,854
8040I wasn't given details.
8041
80421772
804301:28:46,854 --> 01:28:50,523
8044But after that trip,
8045his opinion changed.
8046
80471773
804801:28:50,524 --> 01:28:53,660
8049In nine short paragraphs,
8050he said that
8051
80521774
805301:28:53,661 --> 01:28:57,229
8054the UN's authorization
8055for the 1991 Gulf War
8056
80571775
805801:28:57,230 --> 01:28:59,666
8059could be reactivated
8060
80611776
806201:28:59,667 --> 01:29:02,102
8063to legitimize
8064a new war with Iraq.
8065
80661777
806701:29:02,103 --> 01:29:05,403
8068He told the Prime Minister
8069what he wanted to hear?
8070
80711778
807201:29:05,404 --> 01:29:07,540
8073At best, he was
8074persuaded to support
8075
80761779
807701:29:07,541 --> 01:29:10,175
8078a really fringe point of view.
8079
80801780
808101:29:10,176 --> 01:29:11,676
8082Oh, really fringe.
8083
80841781
808501:29:11,677 --> 01:29:13,345
8086Yeah.
8087
80881782
808901:29:19,118 --> 01:29:20,118
8090Martin Bright.
8091
80921783
809301:29:19,118 --> 01:29:20,819
8094Martin.
8095
80961784
809701:29:20,820 --> 01:29:22,820
8098Ben.
8099
81001785
810101:29:20,820 --> 01:29:22,121
8102Ben.
8103
81041786
810501:29:22,122 --> 01:29:23,555
8106I took
8107your whistleblower's case.
8108
81091787
811001:29:23,556 --> 01:29:25,992
8111Yes, I heard.
8112Can I meet her?
8113
81141788
811501:29:25,993 --> 01:29:28,461
8116No, not yet, Martin.
8117I don't want a media frenzy.
8118
81191789
812001:29:28,462 --> 01:29:29,763
8121Okay. When she's ready.
8122
81231790
812401:29:29,764 --> 01:29:31,997
8125Before some hack
8126tracks her down.
8127
81281791
812901:29:31,998 --> 01:29:34,233
8130Come on, Ben,
8131I broke her story.
8132I'm on her side.
8133
81341792
813501:29:34,234 --> 01:29:35,935
8136Well, you can help
8137by finding out
8138
81391793
814001:29:35,936 --> 01:29:38,504
8141why the Attorney General
8142went to Washington
8143
81441794
814501:29:38,505 --> 01:29:40,372
8146just before the war started.
8147
81481795
814901:29:40,373 --> 01:29:42,876
8150Wait, Goldsmith went to DC?
8151
81521796
815301:29:42,877 --> 01:29:44,577
8154I'd like to know
8155who he met there.
8156
81571797
815801:29:44,578 --> 01:29:45,745
8159Right. I'm on it.
8160
81611798
816201:29:45,746 --> 01:29:48,746
8163And how is Peter?
8164
81651799
816601:29:45,746 --> 01:29:48,180
8167Peter is in Iraq.
8168
81691800
817001:29:48,181 --> 01:29:50,483
8171Yeah, yeah, I know.
8172I've been reading
8173his articles.
8174
81751801
817601:29:50,484 --> 01:29:52,751
8177Listen, if he hears anything,
8178even a hint
8179
81801802
818101:29:52,752 --> 01:29:55,988
8182that Saddam really did have
8183weapons of mass destruction,
8184
81851803
818601:29:55,989 --> 01:29:57,157
8187then please call me.
8188
81891804
819001:29:57,158 --> 01:29:59,291
8191Of course. Can I ask why?
8192
81931805
819401:29:59,292 --> 01:30:01,260
8195Well, let's just say
8196that if WMD are found,
8197
81981806
819901:30:01,261 --> 01:30:04,563
8200then defending Katharine
8201will be a little more
8202complicated.
8203
82041807
820501:30:04,564 --> 01:30:06,564
8206I'll get back to you.
8207
82081808
820901:30:04,564 --> 01:30:06,398
8210All right, thank you.
8211
82121809
821301:30:06,399 --> 01:30:07,935
8214Okay. Thank you. Bye.
8215
82161810
821701:30:09,805 --> 01:30:11,636
8218There's thousands
8219of inspectors here
8220
82211811
822201:30:11,637 --> 01:30:13,840
8223from the US Army,
8224the British Army
8225
82261812
822701:30:13,841 --> 01:30:15,474
8228the CIA, FBI.
8229
82301813
823101:30:15,475 --> 01:30:16,876
8232And still nothing?
8233
82341814
823501:30:16,877 --> 01:30:20,211
8236No, no, not a fucking thing.
8237Nothing.
8238
82391815
824001:30:20,212 --> 01:30:23,081
8241Anyway, some Polish troops
8242found a cache of
8243Sarin gas warheads
8244
82451816
824601:30:23,082 --> 01:30:25,585
8247dating back
8248to the Iran-Iraq War,
8249but they were all empty.
8250
82511817
825201:30:25,586 --> 01:30:27,319
8253And right now, I'm standing
8254in a glass factory
8255
82561818
825701:30:27,320 --> 01:30:31,728
8258and all they've found is piles
8259of silica sand and soda ash.
8260
82611819
826201:30:33,728 --> 01:30:34,628
8263So, yeah.
8264
82651820
826601:30:34,629 --> 01:30:36,563
8267Things must be getting ugly
8268in Washington.
8269
82701821
827101:30:36,564 --> 01:30:38,764
8272Well, you should talk to Ed.
8273
82741822
827501:30:38,765 --> 01:30:41,166
8276Maybe we could end up doing
8277a joint piece or something.
8278
82791823
828001:30:42,869 --> 01:30:45,869
8281Peter, what was that?
8282
82831824
828401:30:42,869 --> 01:30:45,304
8285No, no, no.
8286
82871825
828801:30:45,305 --> 01:30:47,806
8289It's just our guys detonating
8290some conventional ordnance.
8291
82921826
829301:30:47,807 --> 01:30:49,807
8294They don't wanna have...
8295
82961827
829701:30:47,807 --> 01:30:49,408
8298Jesus.
8299
83001828
830101:30:49,409 --> 01:30:52,211
8302...kids finding unexploded
8303shit in the rubble.
8304
83051829
830601:30:52,212 --> 01:30:54,680
8307All right, talk soon.
8308Take care.
8309
83101830
831101:30:54,681 --> 01:30:56,181
8312Yeah, all right, mate. Bye.
8313
83141831
831501:30:57,618 --> 01:30:58,618
8316February 11.
8317
83181832
831901:30:58,619 --> 01:30:59,986
8320What?
8321
83221833
832301:30:59,987 --> 01:31:02,822
8324Goldsmith's in DC
8325meeting with the attorneys
8326
83271834
832801:31:02,823 --> 01:31:04,991
8329for Bush, Powell,
8330Rumsfeld and Rice.
8331
83321835
833301:31:04,992 --> 01:31:06,992
8334Okay, hold on...
8335
83361836
833701:31:04,992 --> 01:31:06,152
8338But that's not the big story.
8339
83401837
834101:31:07,027 --> 01:31:10,429
8342The really big story is the OSP.
8343
83441838
834501:31:10,430 --> 01:31:11,997
8346The Office of Special Plans.
8347
83481839
834901:31:11,998 --> 01:31:14,532
8350Turns out when
8351Bush wasn't getting
8352the intelligence he wanted,
8353
83541840
835501:31:14,533 --> 01:31:17,370
8356Rumsfeld bypassed the CIA
8357
83581841
835901:31:17,371 --> 01:31:19,772
8360and set up his own
8361intelligence unit.
8362
83631842
836401:31:19,773 --> 01:31:22,073
8365They fed
8366raw unvetted intelligence
8367
83681843
836901:31:22,074 --> 01:31:25,577
8370to Bush and Powell
8371who lied us into a war!
8372
83731844
837401:31:25,578 --> 01:31:27,279
8375Yeah. Okay, Ed.
8376I appreciate that.
8377
83781845
837901:31:27,280 --> 01:31:28,715
8380But let's, first, try and help
8381
83821846
838301:31:28,716 --> 01:31:30,549
8384a young woman
8385stay out of prison.
8386
83871847
838801:31:30,550 --> 01:31:32,751
8389Uh, you said Goldsmith
8390met Bush's lawyers
8391
83921848
839301:31:32,752 --> 01:31:34,821
8394on February 11.
8395Who were those lawyers?
8396
83971849
839801:31:34,822 --> 01:31:36,688
8399"John Ashcroft,
8400Alberto Gonzales,
8401
84021850
840301:31:36,689 --> 01:31:39,826
8404William Taft, Jim Haynes,
8405John Bellinger."
8406
84071851
840801:31:39,827 --> 01:31:42,029
8409The attorneys for Bush,
8410Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice.
8411
84121852
841301:31:43,029 --> 01:31:45,797
8414Wow. They really
8415turned up the heat.
8416
84171853
841801:31:45,798 --> 01:31:48,800
8419You know, I almost
8420feel sorry for Goldsmith.
8421
84221854
842301:31:48,801 --> 01:31:52,103
8424Don't. He fucking caved when
8425his country needed him most.
8426
84271855
842801:31:52,104 --> 01:31:54,104
8429That's a great headline, mate.
8430
84311856
843201:31:52,104 --> 01:31:54,474
8433It bloody is.
8434
84351857
843601:31:54,475 --> 01:31:56,475
8437All right.
8438
84391858
844001:31:54,475 --> 01:31:56,076
8441Print it.
8442
84431859
844401:31:56,077 --> 01:31:58,077
8445Yeah. Bye.
8446
84471860
844801:31:56,077 --> 01:31:58,044
8449We'll share the byline.
8450
84511861
845201:31:58,045 --> 01:31:59,478
8453Bye.
8454
84551862
845601:31:59,479 --> 01:32:00,813
8457Nutter.
8458
84591863
846001:32:00,814 --> 01:32:02,749
8461Goldsmith was
8462under tremendous pressure
8463
84641864
846501:32:02,750 --> 01:32:04,349
8466before he went to Washington.
8467
84681865
846901:32:04,350 --> 01:32:05,984
8470Our military were
8471refusing to invade
8472
84731866
847401:32:05,985 --> 01:32:07,687
8475without a clear legal opinion
8476from him
8477
84781867
847901:32:07,688 --> 01:32:09,287
8480that what they were doing
8481was legal
8482
84831868
848401:32:09,288 --> 01:32:10,857
8485in case of a war crimes trial.
8486
84871869
848801:32:10,858 --> 01:32:12,758
8489Thank you, Martin, very helpful.
8490
84911870
849201:32:12,759 --> 01:32:14,394
8493Well, no, hang on,
8494hang on, hang on.
8495
84961871
849701:32:14,395 --> 01:32:15,693
8498Do you think you have a defense?
8499
85001872
850101:32:15,694 --> 01:32:17,694
8502We're working on it.
8503
85041873
850501:32:15,694 --> 01:32:17,196
8506Okay.
8507
85081874
850901:32:17,197 --> 01:32:18,197
8510Let me know when you do.
8511
85121875
851301:32:17,197 --> 01:32:18,864
8514Well, you'll hear it in court.
8515
85161876
851701:32:18,865 --> 01:32:20,865
8518Come on, Ben.
8519
85201877
852101:32:18,865 --> 01:32:20,666
8522Bye.
8523
85241878
852501:32:20,667 --> 01:32:22,667
8526He's persistent.
8527
85281879
852901:32:20,667 --> 01:32:22,602
8530He is.
8531
85321880
853301:32:22,603 --> 01:32:23,803
8534But it's your story
8535
85361881
853701:32:23,804 --> 01:32:26,404
8538and you don't need
8539a media trial.
8540
85411882
854201:32:26,405 --> 01:32:29,442
8543We should request
8544full disclosure
8545of all legal advice
8546
85471883
854801:32:29,443 --> 01:32:32,012
8549given by Goldsmith
8550in the year leading up
8551to the invasion.
8552
85531884
855401:32:33,012 --> 01:32:34,880
8555He'll almost certainly
8556refuse to comply.
8557
85581885
855901:32:34,881 --> 01:32:36,849
8560Then we'll subpoena Wilmshurst.
8561
85621886
856301:32:36,850 --> 01:32:39,786
8564Hell, we'll subpoena
8565Goldsmith himself.
8566And Blair too.
8567
85681887
856901:32:39,787 --> 01:32:43,956
8570Ben, if we can't prove that
8571Goldsmith changed his advice,
8572
85731888
857401:32:43,957 --> 01:32:47,229
8575we can't argue that Katharine
8576tried to stop an illegal war.
8577
85781889
857901:32:48,229 --> 01:32:49,229
8580What then?
8581
85821890
858301:32:58,104 --> 01:32:59,604
8584Then I'll be found guilty.
8585
85861891
858701:32:59,605 --> 01:33:01,216
8588Almost certainly, yes.
8589
85901892
859101:33:09,216 --> 01:33:12,385
8592So, do you want to risk it all
8593
85941893
859501:33:12,386 --> 01:33:17,590
8596and ask for disclosure
8597of the government's documents,
8598
85991894
860001:33:17,591 --> 01:33:18,871
8601or would you rather plead guilty
8602
86031895
860401:33:19,025 --> 01:33:21,335
8605and hope for a reduced sentence?
8606
86071896
860801:33:30,003 --> 01:33:31,972
8609I think...
8610
86111897
861201:33:32,972 --> 01:33:36,381
8613...we were lied
8614into an illegal war.
8615
86161898
861701:33:42,381 --> 01:33:44,591
8618Let's ask for the documents.
8619
86201899
862101:33:50,591 --> 01:33:51,591
8622All right.
8623
86241900
862501:34:22,088 --> 01:34:23,689
8626You ready?
8627
86281901
862901:34:23,690 --> 01:34:25,590
8630No statements now, remember.
8631
86321902
863301:34:25,591 --> 01:34:27,735
8634Let's just get through
8635those doors.
8636
86371903
863801:34:50,350 --> 01:34:52,350
8639Katharine, you okay?
8640
86411904
864201:34:50,350 --> 01:34:52,852
8643Yeah.
8644
86451905
864601:34:52,853 --> 01:34:54,687
8647Ben's already
8648in the courtroom
8649
86501906
865101:34:54,688 --> 01:34:56,956
8652but he wanted you to
8653meet Martin Bright.
8654
86551907
865601:34:56,957 --> 01:34:59,425
8657Uh, he's covering the trial.
8658
86591908
866001:34:59,426 --> 01:35:01,227
8661Katharine, it's an honor.
8662
86631909
866401:35:01,228 --> 01:35:03,862
8665I'll be in the press gallery.
8666I hope that's all right?
8667
86681910
866901:35:03,863 --> 01:35:06,666
8670Yeah, uh, yeah. You...
8671
86721911
867301:35:06,667 --> 01:35:09,301
8674You took a real risk.
8675
86761912
867701:35:09,302 --> 01:35:11,069
8678No, you took the risk.
8679
86801913
868101:35:11,070 --> 01:35:12,639
8682I think what you did
8683was extraordinary.
8684
86851914
868601:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,374
8687I think what you exposed
8688was extraordinary.
8689
86901915
869101:35:15,375 --> 01:35:17,076
8692All our institutions failed us.
8693
86941916
869501:35:17,077 --> 01:35:18,911
8696The government,
8697the intelligence services,
8698
86991917
870001:35:18,912 --> 01:35:22,047
8701the press,
8702they failed us categorically.
8703
87041918
870501:35:22,048 --> 01:35:24,884
8706Even my own paper supported
8707the war before that memo.
8708
87091919
871001:35:24,885 --> 01:35:26,419
8711Well, thank you for being here.
8712
87131920
871401:35:26,420 --> 01:35:28,520
8715No, thank you.
8716
87171921
871801:35:28,521 --> 01:35:31,225
8719It's important what you did.
8720It matters.
8721
87221922
872301:35:33,225 --> 01:35:35,225
8724We should go in,
8725Martin.
8726
87271923
872801:35:33,225 --> 01:35:35,795
8729Yes.
8730
87311924
873201:35:35,796 --> 01:35:39,002
8733Sorry, James. Yes.
8734Uh, be strong.
8735
87361925
873701:35:42,002 --> 01:35:44,502
8738Katharine,
8739you're going that way.
8740
87411926
874201:35:44,503 --> 01:35:46,371
8743Uh, can I just have a moment?
8744
87451927
874601:35:46,372 --> 01:35:48,372
8747Of course.
8748
87491928
875001:35:46,372 --> 01:35:48,211
8751Thanks.
8752
87531929
875401:35:51,211 --> 01:35:53,278
8755You should
8756leave that behind,
8757ma'am.
8758
87591930
876001:35:53,279 --> 01:35:56,890
8761Uh, yeah, sorry,
8762can I just have
8763a second? Just...
8764
87651931
876601:36:06,626 --> 01:36:08,126
8767Janum?
8768
87691932
877001:36:08,127 --> 01:36:11,435
8771Hi. Um, I'm about to go in.
8772
87731933
877401:36:15,435 --> 01:36:16,435
8775I love you.
8776
87771934
877801:36:18,204 --> 01:36:20,372
8779I love you too.
8780
87811935
878201:36:20,373 --> 01:36:24,410
8783Uh, I'm gonna try
8784and call as soon as I can.
8785
87861936
878701:36:24,411 --> 01:36:26,416
8788I wish I was there with you.
8789
87901937
879101:36:29,416 --> 01:36:30,719
8792I know.
8793
87941938
879501:36:31,719 --> 01:36:33,352
8796I'm so sorry.
8797
87981939
879901:36:33,353 --> 01:36:35,122
8800You have nothing
8801to be sorry for.
8802
88031940
880401:36:37,122 --> 01:36:40,197
8805I'm so proud of you.
8806So proud of you.
8807
88081941
880901:36:43,197 --> 01:36:45,567
8810Bye.
8811
88121942
881301:36:46,567 --> 01:36:47,806
8814Bye.
8815
88161943
881701:36:53,806 --> 01:36:55,806
8818Miss?
8819
88201944
882101:36:56,643 --> 01:36:57,643
8822Sorry.
8823
88241945
882501:36:58,511 --> 01:37:00,179
8826I can take your bag.
8827
88281946
882901:37:00,180 --> 01:37:02,180
8830We'll see you in there, okay?
8831
88321947
883301:37:00,180 --> 01:37:02,079
8834Yeah.
8835
88361948
883701:37:34,079 --> 01:37:36,221
8838Your scarf and jacket, please.
8839
88401949
884101:37:42,221 --> 01:37:45,206
8842Okay, and then
8843if you'll raise your arms.
8844
88451950
884601:37:59,206 --> 01:38:00,644
8847Okay.
8848
88491951
885001:38:05,511 --> 01:38:06,581
8851She's here.
8852
88531952
885401:38:07,581 --> 01:38:09,514
8855Right. Okay.
8856
88571953
885801:38:09,515 --> 01:38:10,860
8859Judge is ready.
8860
88611954
886201:38:20,860 --> 01:38:22,118
8863Up you go.
8864
88651955
886601:38:44,118 --> 01:38:46,986
8867Are you
8868Katharine Teresa Gun?
8869
88701956
887101:38:46,987 --> 01:38:48,120
8872Yes.
8873
88741957
887501:38:48,121 --> 01:38:51,857
8876I'm sorry.
8877Can you speak up,
8878please?
8879
88801958
888101:38:51,858 --> 01:38:53,224
8882Yes, I am.
8883
88841959
888501:38:53,225 --> 01:38:55,827
8886"Katharine Teresa Gun,
8887
88881960
888901:38:55,828 --> 01:38:57,261
8890"you are charged with an offense
8891
88921961
889301:38:57,262 --> 01:39:00,399
8894"contrary to Section 1,
8895Subsection 1
8896
88971962
889801:39:00,400 --> 01:39:04,202
8899"of the Official Secrets Act
8900of 1989.
8901
89021963
890301:39:04,203 --> 01:39:08,374
8904"In that between January 30
8905and March 2 of 2003
8906
89071964
890801:39:08,375 --> 01:39:10,011
8909"you did knowingly
8910and intentionally
8911
89121965
891301:39:11,011 --> 01:39:13,946
8914"disclose top secret
8915intelligence information
8916
89171966
891801:39:13,947 --> 01:39:16,415
8919"contrary to the said act."
8920
89211967
892201:39:16,416 --> 01:39:20,689
8923How do you plead?
8924Guilty or not guilty?
8925
89261968
892701:39:22,689 --> 01:39:24,060
8928Ms. Gun?
8929
89301969
893101:39:27,060 --> 01:39:28,594
8932Not guilty.
8933
89341970
893501:39:32,733 --> 01:39:35,904
8936Yes, Mr. Ellison.
8937
89381971
893901:39:38,904 --> 01:39:41,074
8940Yes, thank you, My Lord.
8941
89421972
894301:39:42,074 --> 01:39:45,812
8944My Lord, in light of
8945recent developments,
8946
89471973
894801:39:45,813 --> 01:39:48,179
8949the prosecution
8950will offer no evidence
8951
89521974
895301:39:48,180 --> 01:39:50,916
8954against the defendant
8955on this indictment.
8956
89571975
895801:39:52,552 --> 01:39:54,523
8959I beg your pardon?
8960
89611976
896201:39:56,523 --> 01:39:59,992
8963My Lord, the prosecution will
8964not pursue the indictment.
8965
89661977
896701:39:59,993 --> 01:40:01,195
8968Today?
8969
89701978
897101:40:02,195 --> 01:40:03,195
8972No, My Lord.
8973
89741979
897501:40:03,196 --> 01:40:04,563
8976I'm sorry.
8977
89781980
897901:40:04,564 --> 01:40:08,034
8980Are you asking for
8981an adjournment, Mr. Ellison?
8982
89831981
898401:40:09,034 --> 01:40:10,402
8985No, My Lord.
8986
89871982
898801:40:10,403 --> 01:40:12,504
8989You are saying
8990that you do not wish
8991
89921983
899301:40:12,505 --> 01:40:15,608
8994to proceed at all?
8995
89961984
899701:40:15,609 --> 01:40:16,975
8998Yes, My Lord.
8999
90001985
900101:40:16,976 --> 01:40:19,581
9002But the accused confessed.
9003
90041986
900501:40:20,581 --> 01:40:21,546
9006Yes, My Lord.
9007
90081987
900901:40:21,547 --> 01:40:24,316
9010And yet you do not
9011wish to proceed?
9012
90131988
901401:40:24,317 --> 01:40:26,317
9015No, My Lord.
9016
90171989
901801:40:24,317 --> 01:40:26,117
9019I'm sorry.
9020
90211990
902201:40:26,118 --> 01:40:28,187
9023I find that extraordinary.
9024
90251991
902601:40:28,188 --> 01:40:30,725
9027Do you care to explain?
9028
90291992
903001:40:32,725 --> 01:40:36,260
9031My Lord,
9032the accused submitted
9033an unusual defense.
9034
90351993
903601:40:36,261 --> 01:40:38,863
9037Yes. The defense of necessity.
9038
90391994
904001:40:38,864 --> 01:40:40,864
9041Yes.
9042
90431995
904401:40:38,864 --> 01:40:40,499
9045And?
9046
90471996
904801:40:40,500 --> 01:40:43,868
9049And we do not believe
9050we have sufficient evidence
9051to rebut it.
9052
90531997
905401:40:43,869 --> 01:40:45,737
9055Why not? She confessed.
9056
90571998
905801:40:45,738 --> 01:40:47,340
9059Because, My Lord,
9060
90611999
906201:40:47,341 --> 01:40:50,343
9063the documents that
9064we have called for would show
9065
90662000
906701:40:50,344 --> 01:40:53,746
9068that this country was taken
9069to war illegally...
9070
90712001
907201:40:55,081 --> 01:40:57,616
9073...and may expose
9074
90752002
907601:40:57,617 --> 01:41:01,153
9077the government to
9078charges of war crimes.
9079
90802003
908101:41:01,154 --> 01:41:02,154
9082That is absurd!
9083
90842004
908501:41:02,155 --> 01:41:03,324
9086Is it?
9087
90882005
908901:41:05,324 --> 01:41:07,393
9090Then kindly hand over
9091the documents
9092
90932006
909401:41:07,394 --> 01:41:10,362
9095that we have asked to see.
9096
90972007
909801:41:10,363 --> 01:41:12,130
9099My Lord, the prosecution
9100is not obliged.
9101
91022008
910301:41:12,131 --> 01:41:15,466
9104Indeed, it is not permitted
9105to continue with a case
9106if it does not believe
9107
91082009
910901:41:15,467 --> 01:41:18,069
9110there is a realistic prospect
9111of a conviction.
9112
91132010
911401:41:18,070 --> 01:41:20,305
9115To do so would be a waste
9116of taxpayers' funds.
9117
91182011
911901:41:20,306 --> 01:41:22,174
9120My Lord, I am thankful
9121
91222012
912301:41:22,175 --> 01:41:25,344
9124that the charges against
9125Ms. Gun are being withdrawn
9126
91272013
912801:41:25,345 --> 01:41:27,978
9129and that the Crown
9130is suddenly so determined
9131
91322014
913301:41:27,979 --> 01:41:30,181
9134not to waste taxpayers' money.
9135
91362015
913701:41:30,182 --> 01:41:33,419
9138But surely,
9139after months of uncertainty
9140
91412016
914201:41:33,420 --> 01:41:37,723
9143and severe distress,
9144Ms. Gun is entitled to know
9145
91462017
914701:41:37,724 --> 01:41:40,626
9148why the government
9149is dropping this case?
9150
91512018
915201:41:40,627 --> 01:41:43,895
9153Indeed, the public
9154is entitled to know.
9155
91562019
915701:41:43,896 --> 01:41:45,896
9158Hear, hear.
9159
91602020
916101:41:43,896 --> 01:41:45,234
9162Hear.
9163
91642021
916501:41:48,234 --> 01:41:49,234
9166Mr. Ellison?
9167
91682022
916901:41:53,038 --> 01:41:54,706
9170Again, My Lord, we do not feel
9171
91722023
917301:41:54,707 --> 01:41:57,609
9174we have a realistic prospect
9175of a conviction.
9176
91772024
917801:41:57,610 --> 01:41:59,747
9179There is nothing more I can say.
9180
91812025
918201:42:00,747 --> 01:42:02,281
9183To be clear,
9184
91852026
918601:42:02,282 --> 01:42:06,451
9187you are withdrawing all charges
9188
91892027
919001:42:06,452 --> 01:42:09,225
9191against Katharine Teresa Gun?
9192
91932028
919401:42:12,225 --> 01:42:13,358
9195Yes, My Lord.
9196
91972029
919801:42:24,171 --> 01:42:25,944
9199Ms. Gun...
9200
92012030
920201:42:30,944 --> 01:42:32,947
9203...you are free to go.
9204
92052031
920601:43:07,980 --> 01:43:10,916
9207In a startling about-turn,
9208the Crown Prosecution Service
9209
92102032
921101:43:10,917 --> 01:43:13,051
9212has dropped its case
9213against an intelligence...
9214
92152033
921601:43:13,052 --> 01:43:16,455
9217At 29,
9218Katharine Gun was facing jail
9219for breaking the...
9220
92212034
922201:43:16,456 --> 01:43:17,755
9223The last thing
9224the government wanted
9225
92262035
922701:43:17,756 --> 01:43:19,224
9228within months
9229of a general election
9230
92312036
923201:43:19,225 --> 01:43:20,459
9233was a big court case
9234
92352037
923601:43:20,460 --> 01:43:22,560
9237focusing on the legality
9238of that war...
9239
92402038
924101:43:22,561 --> 01:43:24,496
9242The lawyers wanted
9243the Attorney General's
9244
92452039
924601:43:24,497 --> 01:43:26,264
9247secret advice to Downing Street
9248
92492040
925001:43:26,265 --> 01:43:29,167
9251about whether invading Iraq
9252was or was not legal
9253
92542041
925501:43:29,168 --> 01:43:31,169
9256disclosed that the...
9257
92582042
925901:43:31,170 --> 01:43:34,345
9260And he was
9261involved in deciding
9262whether today's case...
9263
92642043
926501:43:39,345 --> 01:43:42,680
9266First tonight,
9267Katharine Gun walks free.
9268
92692044
927001:43:42,681 --> 01:43:44,616
9271In a dramatic about-turn,
9272the Crown...
9273
92742045
927501:43:44,617 --> 01:43:46,385
9276So did the Attorney General
9277
92782046
927901:43:46,386 --> 01:43:48,219
9280put pressure on to stop
9281the trial?
9282
92832047
928401:43:48,220 --> 01:43:49,822
9285Did GCHQ?
9286
92872048
928801:43:49,823 --> 01:43:52,291
9289Did the prime minister?
9290No answers.
9291
92922049
929301:43:52,292 --> 01:43:53,960
9294Tonight we're simply
9295asked to believe
9296
92972050
929801:43:53,961 --> 01:43:56,698
9299that there was no case
9300to answer.
9301
93022051
930301:44:00,167 --> 01:44:02,468
9304Would you do it again?
9305
93062052
930701:44:02,469 --> 01:44:03,469
9308Would you do it again?
9309
93102053
931101:44:03,470 --> 01:44:04,502
9312I have no regrets.
9313
93142054
931501:44:04,503 --> 01:44:06,322
9316Yes, and I would
9317do it again, yes.
9318
93192055
932001:44:22,322 --> 01:44:23,957
9321Caught anything?
9322
93232056
932401:44:24,957 --> 01:44:26,640
9325Not yet.
9326
93272057
932801:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,545
9329You know, it wasn't
9330my choice to prosecute.
9331
93322058
933301:44:45,545 --> 01:44:49,448
9334I was bound by the decision
9335of the Attorney General.
9336
93372059
933801:44:50,448 --> 01:44:53,853
9339Why did you keep her
9340in a state of distress
9341
93422060
934301:44:53,854 --> 01:44:58,422
9344for a year
9345before you brought charges?
9346
93472061
934801:44:58,423 --> 01:45:02,193
9349The services wanted to make
9350an example of her.
9351
93522062
935301:45:02,194 --> 01:45:05,130
9354If we dropped the case
9355any earlier,
9356
93572063
935801:45:05,131 --> 01:45:07,838
9359what kind of message
9360would that have sent?
9361
93622064
936301:45:12,838 --> 01:45:14,375
9364Do me a favor, Ken.
9365
93662065
936701:45:15,375 --> 01:45:17,000
9368Go and fish somewhere else.