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1[15/08/2016 23:03:50] *** Harold has renamed this conversation to "Feedback Group: The New Charter System - https://goo.gl/R1DWmR" ***
2[15/08/2016 23:03:54] Narthok: What is memed can never meme..
3[15/08/2016 23:03:55] HedgeHug: Did you just, assume my race?
4[15/08/2016 23:04:07 | Edited 23:04:02] Narthok: First step to rebellion you say!
5[15/08/2016 23:04:18] Harold: Have a read, come back with some ideas.
6[15/08/2016 23:04:25] Narthok: what an excellent idea
7[15/08/2016 23:04:29] Harold: Is it good, is it bad, what can be changed, what should stay, etc.
8[15/08/2016 23:05:03] Hiebe.Joseph: I like the way the current charters work,  less work on the GMS to count charter signatures like last time
9[15/08/2016 23:05:24] *** Harold added Harrison ***
10[15/08/2016 23:05:34] Hiebe.Joseph: Like people saying they were being part of multible charter places
11[15/08/2016 23:05:35] Harry: gELLO
12[15/08/2016 23:05:39] Matt: Harry and Harold, what a dup.
13[15/08/2016 23:05:40] Harry: RIGHT SORRY IM LATE MATES
14[15/08/2016 23:05:48] Harry: DIDNT KNOW WE STARTED
15[15/08/2016 23:05:54] Harry: so
16[15/08/2016 23:05:55] Harry: charters
17[15/08/2016 23:05:57] Harry: what’s been said so far
18[15/08/2016 23:06:09] Ryan Chase: Pretty much.
19[15/08/2016 23:06:12] Ryan Chase: I’m shit.
20[15/08/2016 23:06:28] Matt: Say
21[15/08/2016 23:06:36] Matt: are there any of my good friend tech team members in here?
22[15/08/2016 23:06:40] Hiebe.Joseph: I do think the sizes for settlements aree on the high size
23[15/08/2016 23:07:01] Ryan Chase: Teegah is in here pretty sure Matt.
24[15/08/2016 23:07:10] Harry: telanir too
25[15/08/2016 23:07:11] Harry: isn’t he
26[15/08/2016 23:07:16] Matt: He's out of the crosshairs I can't snipe teegah.
27[15/08/2016 23:07:22] Matt: For scale, how big is jburg?
28[15/08/2016 23:07:23] Harry: teegah
29[15/08/2016 23:07:25] Harry: is a good man
30[15/08/2016 23:07:25] Ryan Chase: On 8/15/16, at 3:06 PM, Hiebe.Joseph wrote:
31> I do think the sizes for settlements aree on the high size
32
33It was planned to be 250, but after charter system 2.1 we decided 150 due to feedback.
34[15/08/2016 23:07:39] Harry: i think the sizes are p good
35[15/08/2016 23:07:40] Hiebe.Joseph: It still states on the 2.1 thread its 250
36[15/08/2016 23:07:50] Ryan Chase: That’s not current rules.
37[15/08/2016 23:07:54] Harry: they’re restrictive, making it so that you probably want to go live in a nation
38[15/08/2016 23:07:55] Ryan Chase: That was a feedback thread.
39[15/08/2016 23:07:57] Harry: where you have more room
40[15/08/2016 23:07:59] Narthok: can minas be replaced with material goods as payment
41Ryan Chase
42[15/08/2016 23:08:14] Hiebe.Joseph: No they shouldn't, you can get money with resouces currently
43[15/08/2016 23:08:32] Narthok: bc minas are useless and getting them is a huge pain unless you have established infrastructure
44[15/08/2016 23:08:39] Smawton: Ew. This subject does not interest me.
45[15/08/2016 23:08:45] Smawton: Until the next one!
46[15/08/2016 23:08:49] Narthok: additionally we should dicuss the economic flaws of lotc at some point
47[15/08/2016 23:08:54] Matt: Can we do swing timers next?
48[15/08/2016 23:09:01] Matt: I like bitching about that one.
49[15/08/2016 23:09:08] Narthok: capitols are 500
50[15/08/2016 23:09:10] Smawton: Yeah. We need to bitch more.
51[15/08/2016 23:09:14] Narthok: seems a bit big to me
52[15/08/2016 23:09:15] Smawton: You can't bitch with charters.
53[15/08/2016 23:09:20] Smawton: It's not satisfying.
54[15/08/2016 23:09:26] Jonas: I enjoy whining.
55[15/08/2016 23:09:28] Ricktatorship: [15 August 2016 23:05] Hiebe.Joseph: 
56
57<<< I like the way the current charters work,  less work on the GMS to count charter signatures like last time
58[15/08/2016 23:09:39] Ricktatorship: I can say that when I left the charter system I told dohvi the secret of the signatures
59[15/08/2016 23:09:43] Smawton: DOWN WITH THE DARK ARTS
60[15/08/2016 23:09:44] Ricktatorship: the signatures were never counted
61[15/08/2016 23:09:56] Ricktatorship: it was literally just there for people to proclaim their hype for the nation
62[15/08/2016 23:10:07] Ricktatorship: anything of relevance was meant to be discussed in skype
63[15/08/2016 23:10:09] Ricktatorship: people etc
64[15/08/2016 23:10:22] Jonas: I think signatures should be from personas with so and so many hours on them.
65[15/08/2016 23:10:35] Jonas: To avoid meme alts to boost numbers
66[15/08/2016 23:10:36] Hiebe.Joseph: there anrt signatures anymore
67[15/08/2016 23:10:39] Narthok: Also every person should only have 1 persona count towards man power
68[15/08/2016 23:10:39] Hiebe.Joseph: its all manpower
69[15/08/2016 23:10:47] Hiebe.Joseph: which I'm not sure how they find out manpower
70[15/08/2016 23:10:47] Narthok: lets not rehash athera
71[15/08/2016 23:11:01 | Edited 23:10:54] Narthok: with 20 alt personas being used to prop up activity reqs
72[15/08/2016 23:11:23] Narthok: hiebe.joe - Today 6:10 PM
73> which I'm not sure how they find out manpower
74I think they can check local activity at peak
75[15/08/2016 23:11:24] Jonas: What is the difference between manpower and signatures? It's literally the same thing, no? "this and that many people will join this new settlement"
76[15/08/2016 23:12:07] Narthok: most people have a fairly good number on a faction's numbers though
77[15/08/2016 23:12:17] HedgeHug: Manpower is 1 per account, signatures is any persona
78[15/08/2016 23:12:36] Narthok: i thought man power was 1 persona per nation
79[15/08/2016 23:12:57] Hiebe.Joseph: signatures were not tracked properly
80[15/08/2016 23:13:05] Hiebe.Joseph: people were apart of multible charters
81[15/08/2016 23:13:09] Hiebe.Joseph: and veneverr lived there
82[15/08/2016 23:13:09] Nick: manpower is 1 account per nation
83[15/08/2016 23:13:27] Narthok: how is it measured
84[15/08/2016 23:14:39] Ryan Chase: [8/15/16, 10:30:37 AM] Faiz the Faiz: https://embed.gyazo.com/bd62738fe48a98c31e5ace917b83e380.png
85[8/15/16, 10:30:38 AM] Faiz the Faiz: so
86[8/15/16, 10:30:42 AM] Faiz the Faiz: how does this work exactly
87[8/15/16, 10:57:25 AM] Ryan Chase: So for you. 40 active players a week. Doesn’t mean you have to hit that number at one point. Just people RPing in your region.
88[8/15/16, 10:58:10 AM] Cruz: How do you determine active players?
89[8/15/16, 10:59:32 AM] Ryan Chase: Currently this is based off how we did it last month through a spreed sheet and at different times doing /near to record names. Eventually there will be a plugin that will do this more efficiently, but for now this is just what we’ve got to work off of.
90[8/15/16, 11:00:03 AM] Cruz: Alright!
91[15/08/2016 23:15:47 | Removed 23:16:24] Narthok: This message has been removed.
92[15/08/2016 23:15:54 | Edited 23:16:35] Narthok: true seems fair enough
93[15/08/2016 23:16:09] Narthok: what times are used
94[15/08/2016 23:16:18] Ricktatorship: inb4 the plugin just runs /near and records it
95[15/08/2016 23:16:25 | Edited 23:16:20] Ricktatorship: will be done by the time hl3 comes out
96[15/08/2016 23:16:26] Narthok: as different nations correlate to different timezones
97[15/08/2016 23:16:43] Ryan Chase: Don’t forget guys, Magic plugin spring of 2016!
98[15/08/2016 23:16:45] Ryan Chase: Oh wait...
99[15/08/2016 23:16:49] Ricktatorship: Yo ryan
100[15/08/2016 23:16:53] Ryan Chase: Sup?
101[15/08/2016 23:16:59] Ricktatorship: so is manpower purely nation wide
102[15/08/2016 23:17:09] Ricktatorship: or do settlements have their own manpower reqs
103[15/08/2016 23:17:15] Ryan Chase: Within their tiles more or less, if that was your question?
104[15/08/2016 23:17:19] Ryan Chase: So fiefs, etc.
105[15/08/2016 23:17:20] Ricktatorship: yeah
106[15/08/2016 23:17:24] Ricktatorship: like global manpower req
107[15/08/2016 23:17:25] Ryan Chase: Let me grab another screenshot.
108[15/08/2016 23:17:38] Narthok: can nations control territories that arent connected
109[15/08/2016 23:17:45] Narthok: like if you conquer something?
110Ryan Chase
111[15/08/2016 23:18:11] Ryan Chase: That is requirements divided up. That’s how you get the bigger numbers in the screenshot above.
112[15/08/2016 23:18:19] Ricktatorship: Ah okay
113[15/08/2016 23:18:21] Ricktatorship: fucking EZ
114[15/08/2016 23:18:24] Matt: You guys have been playing far too much civ 5
115[15/08/2016 23:18:24] Ryan Chase: On 8/15/16, at 3:17 PM, Narthok wrote:
116> can nations control territories that arent connected
117
118On 8/15/16, at 3:17 PM, Narthok wrote:
119> like if you conquer something?
120
121For that case, yes. Not for expanding.
122[15/08/2016 23:18:35] Ryan Chase: On 8/15/16, at 3:18 PM, Matt wrote:
123> You guys have been playing far too much civ 5
124
125IT’S SOO GOOD THO
126[15/08/2016 23:18:41] Narthok: lol 3 people
127[15/08/2016 23:18:44] Ricktatorship: Will you adjust the numbers once the player counts inevitably drop?
128[15/08/2016 23:18:45] Narthok: gtfo
129[15/08/2016 23:18:54] Narthok: too low, raise that shit to five
130[15/08/2016 23:18:55] Ricktatorship: Like, surely you guys plan for the eventual dip from the new map wearing off.
131[15/08/2016 23:19:03] Ricktatorship: 3 is not too low narthok
132[15/08/2016 23:19:04] Ryan Chase: On 8/15/16, at 3:18 PM, Ricktatorship wrote:
133> Will you adjust the numbers once the player counts inevitably drop?
134
135Yep! We have a nation leader chat and they have already been warned that both prices and numbers will change.
136[15/08/2016 23:19:13] Ricktatorship: its literally a 70x70 plot narthok
137[15/08/2016 23:19:23] Narthok: rickocracy - Today 6:19 PM
138> 3 is not too low narthok
1393 is literally me logging on for 5 minutes
140[15/08/2016 23:19:23] Ricktatorship: if the plot system IS followed
141[15/08/2016 23:19:36] Ricktatorship: 3 people is appropriate for a 70x70 plot
142[15/08/2016 23:19:43] Ricktatorship: as long as people don't skip over their boundaries
143[15/08/2016 23:19:50] Ryan Chase: We’ve only been on the map for a little over a week. So just wait it out for everything to settle. Numbers will change though.
144[15/08/2016 23:20:03] Ricktatorship: Yeah, eventually player counts will drop and settle.
145[15/08/2016 23:20:06] Narthok: rickocracy - Today 6:18 PM
146> Like, surely you guys plan for the eventual dip from the new map wearing off.
147inb4 advertising and improved player retention!
148[15/08/2016 23:20:23] Hiebe.Joseph: Also why does the capital region and capital territory cost 10?
149[15/08/2016 23:21:03] Ryan Chase: Because if a nation is dead, they shouldn’t be around. That is why a capital is 10. And the reason why tiles are that is because we don’t want people to expand over land and not just leave it to not be used.
150[15/08/2016 23:21:22] Ricktatorship: What would happen if a capital is inactive but the settlements are not?
151[15/08/2016 23:21:23] Ryan Chase: We are restricting land, but we also want good use out of the land you do have.
152[15/08/2016 23:21:39] Narthok: Ryan Chase - Today 6:21 PM
153> Because if a nation is dead, they shouldn’t be around. That is why a capital is 10. And the reason why tiles are that is because we don’t want people to expand over land and not just leave it to not be used.
154capitol should have more than ten imo
155[15/08/2016 23:21:43] Ricktatorship: Would that be the settlement's fault for betting on the wrong horse?
156[15/08/2016 23:21:46] Ryan Chase: On 8/15/16, at 3:21 PM, Ricktatorship wrote:
157> What would happen if a capital is inactive but the settlements are not?
158
159Depends on the situation. Chances are the settlement might be offered something like a guild title.
160[15/08/2016 23:21:55] Ricktatorship: Ah okay sounds good.
161[15/08/2016 23:22:02] Ricktatorship: I'm glad there seem to be contingencies.
162[15/08/2016 23:22:13] Ricktatorship: As long as we stick to the system it'll work I think.
163[15/08/2016 23:22:14 | Edited 23:22:11] Ryan Chase: As I said, numbers will change after hype dies down. So don’t worry about it Narthok!
164[15/08/2016 23:22:22] Narthok: agreed if a nation's settlement is more active perhaps it should assume capitol status?
165[15/08/2016 23:22:50] Narthok: but ten is low even for non hype periods
166[15/08/2016 23:22:53] Ricktatorship: I think it'd be easy to do on a case by case thing narthok.
167[15/08/2016 23:22:55] Ryan Chase: Depends on the situation, but I do agree. Settlements can rebel as well though.
168[15/08/2016 23:23:01] Ryan Chase: On 8/15/16, at 3:22 PM, Ricktatorship wrote:
169> I think it'd be easy to do on a case by case thing narthok.
170
171Exactly.
172[15/08/2016 23:23:06] Narthok: mmm yes rebellion
173[15/08/2016 23:23:23] *** Narthok rubs his hands together in a ruric-like fashion ***
174[15/08/2016 23:23:41 | Edited 23:23:36] Ricktatorship: Warhawke rebellion against Rurics....... :>
175[15/08/2016 23:23:58] Ryan Chase: https://www.lordofthecraft.net/forums/topic/148962-the-isles-of-axios-primary-region-owners-list/ A list of region owners and regions that can rebel.
176[15/08/2016 23:23:59] Narthok: I will join this rebellion
177[15/08/2016 23:24:09] Narthok: for the rurics deserve death
178[15/08/2016 23:24:25] Ryan Chase: Primary owners stop things from like Felsen last map happening. Where two region owners said the city could be blown up and two said no.
179[15/08/2016 23:25:08] Ryan Chase: Anywhom, I’m off, PM me your questions if you have any.
180[15/08/2016 23:25:08] ?Ka4xid?: Wow, now we're playing Premium Roleplay Real-Time Strategy Server
181
182In my opinion, this is a really good way to keep RP instead of forcing it by warclaims.
183Agh, then, i assume, we should have our map splitted by borders correctly, like, with squares or hexagons. I'm not joking tho, if you're a National Leader, staying at... B17, and you want to conquer a... B14 area, you should claim it RPly. But still we have empty spaces on the map that doesn't have any settlement, then i assume, a NLs should spread settlements or farms to the areas, before claiming it.
184[15/08/2016 23:26:08 | Edited 23:26:02] Narthok: tbf lotc is pretty much minecraft + total war + crusaderkings
185[15/08/2016 23:26:20] ?Ka4xid?: mhm
186[15/08/2016 23:26:41] Narthok: Ryan Chase - Today 6:24 PM
187> Primary owners stop things from like Felsen last map happening. Where two region owners said the city could be blown up and two said no.
188Can you be the PRO of more than one region?
189[15/08/2016 23:26:49] Jonas: I think it's fair to say that LotC is treated as Minecraft Game of Thrones
190[15/08/2016 23:26:56] Ryan Chase: On 8/15/16, at 3:26 PM, Narthok wrote:
191> Ryan Chase - Today 6:24 PM
192> > Primary owners stop things from like Felsen last map happening. Where two region owners said the city could be blown up and two said no.
193> Can you be the PRO of more than one region?
194
195Nope :D
196[15/08/2016 23:27:06] Ryan Chase: Cruz can only be on one.
197[15/08/2016 23:27:09] Ryan Chase: Ark can only be on one.
198[15/08/2016 23:27:13] Ryan Chase: Leric can only be on one, etc.
199[15/08/2016 23:27:24] Jonas: I can only be on one.
200[15/08/2016 23:27:51] kyle: Does the primary owner have to be the rp owner?
201[15/08/2016 23:28:01] Narthok: i would argue yes
202[15/08/2016 23:28:07] Ryan Chase: They have to be involved in the plot so yes.
203[15/08/2016 23:28:11] Narthok: so we minimize puppeting
204[15/08/2016 23:28:23] ?Ka4xid?: RG Owner RPly?
205[15/08/2016 23:28:24 | Edited 23:28:18] Ryan Chase: Not going to let Hiebe, a dwarf, just be incharge of a fief in Oren because Cruz trusts him.
206[15/08/2016 23:28:41] Ricktatorship: The post literally says they're not supposed to be.
207[15/08/2016 23:28:46] Narthok: shout out to the morass that was avar region perms
208[15/08/2016 23:28:50] Ricktatorship: PRO don't have to be RP leaders.
209[15/08/2016 23:29:03 | Edited 23:29:09] Ricktatorship: Because the post literally says that their say "outweighs" "their own nation leader"
210[15/08/2016 23:29:10] Narthok: what if you assume control of the territory iron through a coup or vote
211[15/08/2016 23:29:20] Narthok: will pro be given to this new person?
212[15/08/2016 23:29:39] Ryan Chase: Yea. They have to agree that it is taking place. Otherwise there is a small battle.
213[15/08/2016 23:29:55] ?Ka4xid?: Then it means that someone have bigger balls than leader. Ok i got the conception.
214[15/08/2016 23:29:55] Ryan Chase: So I.E. Player is told they are donezo by nation leader, they fight to keep their plot.
215[15/08/2016 23:30:07] Narthok: rickocracy - Today 6:28 PM
216> PRO don't have to be RP leaders.
217PRO should have to be the territory leader 100%
218[15/08/2016 23:30:19] Harold: So, gonna be blunt as anything here guys, theres some real big personalities in this chat right now - the reason we don't do too much meaning is because it can slow down the documents creation when the discussion is finished.
219[15/08/2016 23:30:22] Narthok: ^so the courland debacle can be avoided
220[15/08/2016 23:30:42] Harold: If you want to make change with feedback, cut down the memes and useless chatter, it helps a lot in the long run.
221[15/08/2016 23:30:48] ?Ka4xid?: ?Ka4xid? - ??????? 1:25
222> Wow, now we're playing Premium Roleplay Real-Time Strategy Server
223
224In my opinion, this is a really good way to keep RP instead of forcing it by warclaims.
225Agh, then, i assume, we should have our map splitted by borders correctly, like, with squares or hexagons. I'm not joking tho, if you're a National Leader, staying at... B17, and you want to conquer a... B14 area, you should claim it RPly. But still we have empty spaces on the map that doesn't have any settlement, then i assume, a NLs should spread settlements or farms to the areas, before claiming it.
226
227
228
229My thoughts.
230[15/08/2016 23:30:53] Harold: Forgot to add that onto the rules before I sent them out to you
231[15/08/2016 23:31:07] Matt: I have no useful opinion or interest in this topic.
232[15/08/2016 23:31:14] Narthok: Ryan Chase - Today 6:29 PM
233> So I.E. Player is told they are donezo by nation leader, they fight to keep their plot.
234I was talking more like guard captain kills towns lord / mayor and assumes control of the territory while maintaining support of the populace
235[15/08/2016 23:31:15] Harold: Continue the discussion x
236[15/08/2016 23:31:52] Narthok: Region ownership has always been way too oocly driven imo
237[15/08/2016 23:32:00] Narthok: like how the vanir keep was seized
238[15/08/2016 23:32:31] Jonas: I'm a bit this and there on the region ownership stuff.
239[15/08/2016 23:32:37] *** Luke has been promoted to conversation host. ***
240[15/08/2016 23:33:00] *** Tahmas has been promoted to conversation host. ***
241[15/08/2016 23:33:16] *** Harrison has been promoted to conversation host. ***
242[15/08/2016 23:33:32] Harry: YOU SEE THAT
243[15/08/2016 23:33:35] Jonas: I think it's better to have it be OOCly driven to avoid people taking over places while everyone else in the region is asleep. On the other hand, I like dynamic RP.
244[15/08/2016 23:33:37] Harry: STEP OUT OF LINE AND GET PUT DOWN
245[15/08/2016 23:33:38] Harry: MATES
246[15/08/2016 23:33:38] *** Ryan Chase has been promoted to conversation host. ***
247[15/08/2016 23:33:49] Ryan Chase: On 8/15/16, at 3:31 PM, Narthok wrote:
248> Region ownership has always been way too oocly driven imo
249
250On 8/15/16, at 3:32 PM, Narthok wrote:
251> like how the vanir keep was seized
252
253At that point we, as moderators, have to check anyways. So if the player was killed and people took the town through legitimate means it can lead to that. Obviously RP would have had to happen before that point, but what if raiders come in and take the town, do they own it? No.
254[15/08/2016 23:34:08] Ryan Chase: That’s why we lean towards the OOC aspects of it, tho with PRO, it’s a good step to fixing a bigger problem.
255[15/08/2016 23:34:26] Matt: shut up harrison
256[15/08/2016 23:38:25] ?Ka4xid?: OOC is a main thing that affects on RP, if you're not a fan of some playerbase in OOCly, ofc you're persona might hate it too.
257[15/08/2016 23:39:04] Caelria: Does Ebonglade have 10?
258[15/08/2016 23:39:39] Jonas: Ten what?
259[15/08/2016 23:39:54] Matt: Chromosomes
260[15/08/2016 23:39:58] Caelria: Players. Isn't that settlement numbers?
261[15/08/2016 23:39:58] Matt: sorry I couldn't resist
262[15/08/2016 23:40:07] Harry: On 15/08/2016, at 23:39, Matt wrote:
263> Chromosomes
264
265stop urself
266[15/08/2016 23:40:11] Matt: haha
267[15/08/2016 23:40:11] Jonas: Fairly sure Ebonglade has over 10. Yes.
268[15/08/2016 23:40:34] Jonas: Why is that, Sohaer Joseph Ciacci?
269[15/08/2016 23:40:55] Caelria: I'm trying to get a grasp of how active something has to be.
270[15/08/2016 23:42:49] Jonas: I suppose as long as it doesn't sit there and collect dust, and RP regularly happens there then that's fine.
271[15/08/2016 23:43:50] Ricktatorship: They're a fief, caelria
272[15/08/2016 23:43:53] Ricktatorship: not a settlement
273[15/08/2016 23:43:56] Caelria: Oh?
274[15/08/2016 23:43:59] Ricktatorship: so yeah they have enough players
275[15/08/2016 23:43:59] Caelria: What's fief numbers?
276[15/08/2016 23:44:01 | Edited 23:43:54] Ricktatorship: you only need 3 manpower
277[15/08/2016 23:44:06] Caelria: Oh
278[16/08/2016 00:02:31] Harold: I think that smaller plots like fief plots should have the ability to upgrade to a maximum of 150x150, meaning that their manpower requirements increase.
279[16/08/2016 00:02:46] Harold: 150x150 would be a decentish sized small village.
280[16/08/2016 00:04:09] Harold: Also, can we get a solid number in how many fiefs any one nation can have per tile?
281[16/08/2016 00:04:20 | Edited 00:04:17] Harold: One paragraph, it says 6 , and another it says 2.
282[16/08/2016 00:04:25] Matt: 6 per tile
283[16/08/2016 00:04:41] Matt: Hypothetically that means oren at present can have 24 settlements?
284[16/08/2016 00:04:58] Matt: that is by far and away too many if I am understanding right
285[16/08/2016 00:06:14] Harold: Well, it says 2 per tile under fiefs section of the charters doc
286[16/08/2016 00:06:31] Harold: Which would only mean 8
287[16/08/2016 00:08:38] Hiebe.Joseph: settlement and fief limits should stay
288[16/08/2016 00:08:53] Hiebe.Joseph: the current size of trhe territories are too small
289[16/08/2016 00:09:09] Cpt Noobman: I think fiefs should be able to upgrade tho, maybe at material cost rather than manpower tho
290[16/08/2016 00:09:17] Hiebe.Joseph: you get more settlements and fiefs are the most territoreies you own go up
291[16/08/2016 00:10:00] Harold: Hiebe.Joseph - Today 00:09
292> you get more settlements and fiefs are the most territoreies you own go up
293
294So baisically, the more manned region areas you have, the more you get?
295[16/08/2016 00:10:40] Hiebe.Joseph: that's how it is currently
296[16/08/2016 00:10:53] Hiebe.Joseph: you max settlement and fief numbers go up as you get more territories
297[16/08/2016 00:14:56] Ricktatorship: I think its 2 per tile
298[16/08/2016 00:14:59] Ricktatorship: But there is a perk
299[16/08/2016 00:15:02] Ricktatorship: that allows you to have more
300[16/08/2016 00:15:36] Cpt Noobman: Flirting! - Moji
301[16/08/2016 00:38:25] Hiebe.Joseph: perks still around?
302[16/08/2016 01:50:39 | Edited 01:50:29] Narthok: whoever asserts legitimate or dominate martial authority in a territory should have region ownership
303[16/08/2016 01:51:14] Caelria: Whoever has the most moderators on their Skype friends list should have region ownership.
304[16/08/2016 01:51:16] Hiebe.Joseph: problem is when people cant be online 24/7 to protect against rebellions
305[16/08/2016 01:51:56] Shalashask: Wtf I hate Courland now
306[16/08/2016 01:52:22] Caelria: [16 August 2016 01:51] Shalashask: 
307
308<<< Wtf I hate Courland nowThis stupid ass joke makes me smile every time I read it.
309[16/08/2016 01:54:39] Shalashask: But I like the idea of primary region owners
310[16/08/2016 01:56:27] Shalashask: It seems silly that someone can just add their ooc friends with very little rp involvement in the settlement to the region owners list and then they can just say no to all coups and saboteur attempts
311[16/08/2016 01:57:08] Narthok: hiebe.joe - Today 8:51 PM
312> problem is when people cant be online 24/7 to protect against rebellions
313Imo it would be like a private warclaim restricted purely to residents of the territory. Like the Dlands warclaims
314[16/08/2016 01:58:01 | Removed 01:58:29] Hiebe.Joseph: This message has been removed.
315[16/08/2016 01:58:37] Shalashask: And with the new manpower system GMs would be able to see which settlement someone is most active in and are only allowed to fight off coups in that settlement perhaps?
316[16/08/2016 01:58:58] Narthok: ^
317[16/08/2016 01:59:32] Narthok: wouldnt be able to call in allies since locals wouldnt coup unless the opportunity was ideal
318[16/08/2016 02:00:03] Matt: All this seems like it's good on paper, then in practice it would fail because its too convoluted and overcomplex
319[16/08/2016 02:00:13] Matt: Or it seems like that after trying to read for five seconds
320[16/08/2016 02:00:20] Narthok: rebellions and coups have always been plagued with ooc. However I believe they are an ideal way to liven up stagnate rp
321[16/08/2016 02:00:40] Narthok: boils down to guy with biggest stick in territory is PRO
322[16/08/2016 02:07:35] Shalashask: .
323[16/08/2016 02:12:04] Léo ?( ? )?: narthok
324[16/08/2016 02:12:12] Léo ?( ? )?: do you like dogs
325[16/08/2016 02:12:43] Narthok: indeed
326[16/08/2016 02:14:12] Léo ?( ? )?: i have a friend that also likes dogs
327[16/08/2016 02:14:17 | Edited 02:14:12] Léo ?( ? )?: he has a lot of dog lovers followers too 
328[16/08/2016 02:14:32] Léo ?( ? )?: they are an extinct variation of elves however.
329[16/08/2016 02:14:43] *** Léo ?( ? )? ruff ruff ruff ***
330[16/08/2016 02:15:43] Narthok: tbh your set up for a beastiality joke was utter trash
331[16/08/2016 02:15:59] Narthok: ww2ruff would be ashamed
332[16/08/2016 02:16:17] Caelria: You know he had a cuckold fetish too, right?
333[16/08/2016 02:16:33] Matt: A degenerate man.
334[16/08/2016 02:16:37] Matt: boy
335[16/08/2016 02:16:39] Matt: whatever
336[16/08/2016 02:16:43] Narthok: Yeah i dont get that
337[16/08/2016 02:16:57] Caelria: There are logs out there of him asking for logs of Deco going behind his character's back.
338[16/08/2016 02:17:12] Caelria: Truly the Lord of the Cuck
339[16/08/2016 02:17:20] Narthok: stick to normal fetishes like bondage and necrophelia ffs
340[16/08/2016 02:17:47] Matt: [16 August 2016 02:16] Caelria: 
341
342<<< There are logs out there 
343[16/08/2016 02:17:53] Matt: come onnn man
344[16/08/2016 02:18:00] Matt: supply
345[16/08/2016 02:18:05] Caelria: I didn't save them :^{
346[16/08/2016 02:18:18] Caelria: They were the intellectual property of Tentoa.
347[16/08/2016 02:18:18] Matt: shit.......
348[16/08/2016 02:18:37] Narthok: I dont get how cyber logs leak
349[16/08/2016 02:18:49] Caelria: One of the two people leaks.
350[16/08/2016 02:18:50] Narthok: its literally two people who would be equally embarassed
351[16/08/2016 02:18:53] Narthok: why...
352[16/08/2016 02:19:07] Narthok: cybering is straight the sadest shit ever
353[16/08/2016 02:19:13] Caelria: Because they can edit their name out, send it to a friend, have that friend spread it, and deny accountability.
354[16/08/2016 02:19:35] Narthok: so beta you cant even jerk it to porn so you gotta sext with some obese 12 year old playing a lesbian elf
355[16/08/2016 02:20:20] Caelria: Cybering is just sexting tbh. It's all POV shit.
356[16/08/2016 02:23:14] Narthok: people should focus on the really important things
357[16/08/2016 02:23:19] Narthok: like power in mc rp
358[16/08/2016 02:23:59] Harold: Lads, topic
359[16/08/2016 02:24:38] Caelria: I honestly prefer to focus on the cultivation of a fictional character's skills by spending hours of my day sitting in an office chair and watching him stand still in front of a floating book.
360[16/08/2016 02:25:18] Caelria: Every once in a while I'll press f5 and look at the room behind me, or press it again and see the floating book through his eyes.
361[16/08/2016 02:35:14] *** Harold added Malgonious ***
362[16/08/2016 03:51:50 | Removed 03:52:28] Narthok: This message has been removed.
363[16/08/2016 04:06:13] Malgonious: So I'd like to bring up an issue if I may to the group.  Currently, there is a hazy rule involving how to stop someone using RP.  As it currently stands in the rule, if you halt someone or ask them to stop, they are under no obligation to stop for you and RP with you.  If you proceed to down them and pick them up, that is no longer deemed an acceptable way to force-rp, and no method to do so exists.  So basically, if someone doesn't want to RP with you, they don't have to.  This is a broken rule clearly, and we as a group should brainstorm a method to present to the GM Team.
364[16/08/2016 04:06:51] Narthok: legalize pugsy tyvm
365[16/08/2016 04:07:06] Narthok: but true what was wrong with the old downing the runner rp
366[16/08/2016 04:07:28] Narthok: as long as the rp is better than aut tier 'halt'
367[16/08/2016 04:11:46] kyle: listen
368[16/08/2016 04:11:50] kyle: nothing is gonna be better than halt
369[16/08/2016 04:11:57] kyle: its simple and understandable
370[16/08/2016 04:12:03] kyle: it's fast to type aswell
371[16/08/2016 04:12:29] kyle: it's very easy to outrun ppl in mc, if you have to do an emote and say something weird just to stop someone you are never going to see anyone halted.
372[16/08/2016 04:35:28] Léo ?( ? )?: "PICKLES"
373[16/08/2016 04:35:31] Léo ?( ? )?: downs
374[16/08/2016 04:48:43] Cpt Noobman: I think the halt rule was fine
375[16/08/2016 04:48:52] Cpt Noobman: and the ping plugin seems too iffy
376[16/08/2016 04:48:56] Cpt Noobman: for proper use
377[16/08/2016 06:56:44] Hiebe.Joseph: I feel that one word halting shouldn't be allowed
378[16/08/2016 06:57:07] Hiebe.Joseph: but if you stop
379[16/08/2016 06:57:10] Hiebe.Joseph: look around
380[16/08/2016 06:57:13] Hiebe.Joseph: and then run away
381[16/08/2016 06:57:21] Hiebe.Joseph: that should be cause for downing and revive
382[16/08/2016 07:04:25] Shalashask: problem is. people ignore roleplay and walk past.
383[16/08/2016 07:04:38 | Edited 07:04:33] Shalashask: But then they go and tell guards that there are bandits/people on the road
384[16/08/2016 07:05:06] Shalashask: If they walk past and ignore roleplay they shouldn't be allowed to tell the guards
385[16/08/2016 07:05:16] Shalashask: essentially voiding the roleplay for them
386[16/08/2016 07:20:53] Harry: no one has to do anything they don't want to so its not clearly a 'broken rule' at all
387[16/08/2016 07:21:11 | Edited 07:21:23] Harry: but that doesn't mean they should just outright ignore people 100% of the time either
388[16/08/2016 07:24:16] Malgonious: Why should you be able to ignore people at all?  Your RP doesn't matter more than someone else's, you should understand this server is a dynamic RP environment and you can be thrown into different situations that are favourable or unfavorable.
389[16/08/2016 07:24:47] Malgonious: You shouldn't just get to pick and choose who you Rp with and who you ignore
390[16/08/2016 07:33:04] Chamo (Sean66): [16 August 2016 07:24] Malgonious: 
391
392<<< You shouldn't just get to pick and choose who you Rp with and who you ignoreI generally agree with this.
393[16/08/2016 07:41:10] Leo.gif: lol at the same time you could just not force someone to do RP he doesn't want to do out of common human decency?
394[16/08/2016 07:41:25] Leo.gif: your waiter may not be entitled to your tips but its still a nice thing to do to give them one
395[16/08/2016 07:41:49] Shalashask: [16 August 2016 07:41] Leo.gif: 
396
397<<< your waiter may not be entitled to your tips but its still a nice thing to do to give them oneI'd remove this comment before you start a flame war about tipping
398[16/08/2016 07:41:50] Harry: yeah that's what I'm getting at
399[16/08/2016 07:42:07] Harry: I fully understand this is a dynamic server ty
400[16/08/2016 07:42:42] Harry: but it's just common courtesy to not just force like 10s of people to sit through arduous kidnapping and flaying
401[16/08/2016 07:42:57] Leo.gif: If a group doesn't want to be raided just don't raid them unless you really have to in RP (see: lawful raids)
402[16/08/2016 07:43:02] Harry: If they abuse the 'I don't feel like it' shit then that should also be dealt with
403[16/08/2016 07:43:15] Leo.gif: if your settlement provokes a lawful raid then I wont defend their right to general enjoyment oocly
404[16/08/2016 07:43:30] Leo.gif: but otherwise, like dont
405[16/08/2016 07:44:04] Harry: I wouldn't mind you guys raiding people for fun malgo
406[16/08/2016 07:44:16] Harry: if your squad wasn't a fucking blight on this server when they do it
407[16/08/2016 07:44:25] Leo.gif: Speaking of raid rules what actually constitutes "war" to enable war-time raids? I think we should define it as 'there is an active series of warclaims currently occurring between two factions'
408[16/08/2016 07:44:37] Leo.gif: not just "yep. declaring war just so we can raise our raid cap"
409[16/08/2016 07:44:39] Harry: well people declare war leo
410[16/08/2016 07:44:50] Harry: I'd say after the first wc
411[16/08/2016 07:44:55] Harry: you can war raid
412[16/08/2016 07:45:04] Leo.gif: I'd even say after the first WC is put up lol
413[16/08/2016 07:45:14] Harry: that works too
414[16/08/2016 07:45:22] Harry: just it has to be more than
415[16/08/2016 07:45:26] Harry: "yh war"
416[16/08/2016 07:45:38] *** Harry screams in Skype to rally ***
417[16/08/2016 07:45:39] Leo.gif: if you're just going to "declare war" so you can constantly "war-time raid" then its kinda abuse of the system, just make it so warclaims have to be actively happening in order to war-time raid
418[16/08/2016 07:45:53] Malgonious: leowarrior14 - Today 2:41 AM
419> lol at the same time you could just not force someone to do RP he doesn't want to do out of common human decency?
420Why should you do that if you have an IRP reason to act otherwise?  That's not a dynamic environment that's a hand holding environment.  That's not what we are. Sure if a group consistently bandits the same kid on a road three times and one day I could see that being an issue but just because you want to go do something and think your RP and your agenda is more important than what's in front of you doesn't give you the right to ignore the fact your environment shapes your RP not the latter.
421[16/08/2016 07:46:03] Harry: perhaps a limited amount of war raids between warclaims?
422[16/08/2016 07:46:04] Leo.gif: [16 August 2016 07:45] Malgonious: 
423
424<<< Why should you do that if you have an IRP reason to act otherwise? Common human decently, lol.
425[16/08/2016 07:46:07] Leo.gif: decency*
426[16/08/2016 07:46:10] Harry: each side gets 1-2
427[16/08/2016 07:46:43] Harry: ooc reputation factors into malgo
428[16/08/2016 07:46:53] Harry: which your group has, for being shit tho
429[16/08/2016 07:46:57] Leo.gif: Just don't force someone to do something they hate unless its unavoidable because of the flow of RP (once again, see: lawful raids)
430[16/08/2016 07:47:02] Leo.gif: Its just being nice
431[16/08/2016 07:47:08] Malgonious: The fuck?
432[16/08/2016 07:48:06] Malgonious: Harry - Today 2:46 AM
433> which your group has, for being shit tho
434If you want to shit talk do it in PMs child this isn't the place to act afool.
435[16/08/2016 07:48:17] Malgonious: leowarrior14 - Today 2:46 AM
436> Just don't force someone to do something they hate unless its unavoidable because of the flow of RP (once again, see: lawful raids)
437[16/08/2016 07:48:25] Harry: I'm not shit talking lol
438[16/08/2016 07:48:32] Harry: I've had to ban panda twice in one week
439[16/08/2016 07:48:36] Harry: for sitting on a horse
440[16/08/2016 07:48:40] Harry: punching people over and over
441[16/08/2016 07:48:44] Harry: not letting them rp
442[16/08/2016 07:48:47] Malgonious: Panda is 12 years old.  He's an exception.
443[16/08/2016 07:48:51] Harry: oh?
444[16/08/2016 07:48:54] Harry: he is now?
445[16/08/2016 07:49:04] Malgonious: Give him bed time bans if he's acting out of line
446[16/08/2016 07:49:07] Harry: he's part of your group none the less
447[16/08/2016 07:49:10] Malgonious: He's not above the rules
448[16/08/2016 07:49:19] Harry: he's no an exception then
449[16/08/2016 07:49:25] Leo.gif: I had ggtexeira run into our city playing a katana wielding samurai snow elf just for the sake of being a disturbance
450[16/08/2016 07:49:34] Harry: if you want s good rep tell him to stop being an idiot
451[16/08/2016 07:49:38] Harry: rather than just
452[16/08/2016 07:49:44] Harry: "oh he's 12 who cares"
453[16/08/2016 07:49:45] Shalashask: We do tell him
454[16/08/2016 07:49:48] Harry: I know he's 12
455[16/08/2016 07:49:54] Harry: then try harder pls shal
456[16/08/2016 07:50:06] Harry: honestly  makes me want to shoot myself
457[16/08/2016 07:50:06] Leo.gif: Age isn't necessarily the measure of maturity, look at trinn lol
458[16/08/2016 07:50:07] Shalashask: Every night you will see modreqs from us asking to bed time ban him
459[16/08/2016 07:50:18] Leo.gif: meanwhile ive met some really childish like, 25 year olds (menarra etc)
460[16/08/2016 07:50:30] Harry: if you want people to respect you and your wishes to bandit them malg
461[16/08/2016 07:50:40] Harry: it's an issue of ooc publicity on tori part too
462[16/08/2016 07:50:52] Harry: if they're being whiny little cunts, fair enough, your complaint is valid
463[16/08/2016 07:51:14] Harry: but if they're legit gonna be harassed by people just to be baited into pvp
464[16/08/2016 07:51:24] Harry: it's understandable why they don't want anything to do with you
465[16/08/2016 07:51:40] Harry: also pls don't call me child, I wasn't shit talking so you don't need to
466[16/08/2016 07:51:54] Harry: as Leo said age isn't an insult or measure of maturity
467[16/08/2016 07:51:58] Leo.gif: well the nicest dog bites when beaten enough or so the saying goes. some groups I honestly don't blame for being naturally defensive/hostile in the face of PVP-based raiders
468[16/08/2016 07:52:17] Harry: Druids have Orc ptsd now
469[16/08/2016 07:52:24] Harry: they go to bed shaking and thinking of whimsy
470[16/08/2016 07:52:34] Leo.gif: If they're being whiny/hostile/antagonistic towards you maybe you should try to understand how they got that way in the first place lol
471[16/08/2016 07:52:44] Malgonious: Honestly Harry suck my left nut panda is a child that I'm trying to get to RP more and better himself through our group rather than him just going off and getting himself banned alone for being dumb.  I understand he's not above the rules which is why he should have harsher rules put on him such as a bedtime ban.  Just because kiddos don't want to RP with a group doesn't mean they should just blatantly ignore them.  That's not helping the situation
472[16/08/2016 07:52:58] Leo.gif: no matter how much raiding/being raided is a two way path the raiders are the ones bringing their RP to the other side
473[16/08/2016 07:52:58] Leo.gif: not the other way around
474[16/08/2016 07:53:54] Harry: as a warning, not all people are gonna take ur nut sucking comment as well as I am (I chuckled) so be careful with that or I'll have to kick you
475[16/08/2016 07:54:05] Harry: I agree, people shouldn't be gay and blank you
476[16/08/2016 07:54:28] Harry: but what I'm trying to get across is that you're known for having trolls and pvp hungry idiots in your group
477[16/08/2016 07:54:47] Harry: that reflects negatively to the rest do the server, making them feel they know what's up next
478[16/08/2016 07:55:10] Harry: and rather than just get dogged
479[16/08/2016 07:55:17] Harry: they'd rather get on with their life
480[16/08/2016 07:55:30] Harry: I didn't like the recent change away from pop after 2 downs
481[16/08/2016 07:55:34] Harry: when they run mcly
482[16/08/2016 07:55:55] Harry: and I agree the rules odd but it's a very hard one to fix
483[16/08/2016 07:56:40] Leo.gif: just don't raid people who hate that sort of RP unless RP itself demands it (i.e lawful raids). it may not be a rule, but its just being nice. theres no reason not to.
484[16/08/2016 07:56:49] Malgonious: Holy fuck you are the most narrow minded, pessimistic individual I have ever met in my entire life.  If you're actually a staff member you're exactly the problem that's plaguing this server.  You cannot see the other side to the point that it even exists in relation to your own overbearing opinions.  Please remove me from this chat if you're going to act like a huge tard and not have a civil conversation without insulting myself and my group.
485[16/08/2016 07:57:14] Leo.gif: He's addressing issues, Malgonious
486[16/08/2016 07:57:31] Malgonious: Harry - Today 2:46 AM
487> which your group has, for being shit tho
488[16/08/2016 07:58:05 | Edited 07:58:17] Shalashask: I do partially agree, some of our members do try and bend the rules a little or act oblivious
489[16/08/2016 07:58:14] Shalashask: but I think most behave well as of recently
490[16/08/2016 07:58:44] Harry: yikes
491[16/08/2016 07:58:47] Leo.gif: id be admittedly pissed if someone called my group shit too. but, seeing as you guys are primarily a roaming villainy group your RP has much more potential to piss people off and dampen their days as a passive group like say the druids or any elf nation
492[16/08/2016 07:58:50] Chamo (Sean66): Everyone please simmer down, it's good to be passionate about groups/friends/ideas but we really shouldn't be throwing eachother under buses. (penguin)
493[16/08/2016 07:58:59] Harry:  I didn't mean to trigger you there
494[16/08/2016 07:59:25] Harry: I prefer to talk openly and truthfully in here, rather than as a pretty faces staff member to please everyone
495[16/08/2016 07:59:45] Harry: sorry if what I'm saying is upsetting you, but it's my own opinion
496[16/08/2016 08:06:37] Leo.gif: I know I seem realy close-minded regarding raids and stuff, but you have to understand that basically 3 years worth of the same pvp-esque affair over and over have just ground me down to make me really, really tired of having to deal with them and I think I have the same views as the general less war-like crowd on LOTC (most elf settlements, sutica, druids, etc)
497[16/08/2016 08:06:40] Leo.gif: THAT SAID
498[16/08/2016 08:06:58] Harry: yeah Leo we know u hate raids
499[16/08/2016 08:07:03] Leo.gif: No I have a follow up to this
500[16/08/2016 08:07:06] Leo.gif: shh
501[16/08/2016 08:07:09] Harry: woops
502[16/08/2016 08:07:34] Sky: [16 August 2016 08:07] Sky: 
503
504<<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o74BnFSr8g - Best live stream in the world btw.
505[16/08/2016 08:07:45] Harry: Sky this is a srs chat
506[16/08/2016 08:07:45] Malgonious: 
507leowarrior14 - Today 2:58 AM
508> id be admittedly pissed if someone called my group shit too. but, seeing as you guys are primarily a roaming villainy group your RP has much more potential to piss people off and dampen their days as a passive group like say the druids or any elf nation
509I understand our Roleplay exists as more antagonizing than other forms however that doesn't mean we should be regarded as any less.  Actually, we do RP quite a lot within our own territory as every nation does.  We've our own families, cultures and customs.  To call us PvP hungry idiots and trolls is rather insulting and of course it would infuriate me when someone who knows nothing of us aside from a few sour apples that stole your pixels, acts like he speaks for the entirety of our group.  I approached this group with the ideals that I could voice my opinion, ask for others support or criticisms on the subject and leave it at that.  However, you took it personal and decided to insult me and those that I represent which isn't the sort of behavior of someone wanting to make a positive impact.
510[16/08/2016 08:07:47] Harry: PLEASE
511[16/08/2016 08:07:56] Caelria: Leo has PTSD from the Japanese and Mongol raids on China. Whenever he hears the word it sends him into a frenzy.
512[16/08/2016 08:08:24] Harry: ok, I said some people are like that malgo
513[16/08/2016 08:08:39] Harry: I never said all of you
514[16/08/2016 08:08:46] Sky: (But seriously, what is the current discussion going on lads?)
515[16/08/2016 08:08:59 | Edited 08:11:07] Leo.gif: i know the path goes two ways and honestly I wouldn't mind raiding so much if it was less repetitive and had some substance to it other than just simple banditry. like, if you "Raiders" (just gonna use that term for simplicity) saved your raids for anti-pvp settlements for when you really needed to in RP, and just targeted areas more open to that type of experience everytime else i think you'd still get your banditry RP fix and piss off less people
516[16/08/2016 08:09:03] Harry: and I don't think I personally insulted you
517[16/08/2016 08:09:07] Harry: or didn't try to at least
518[16/08/2016 08:09:10] Malgonious: Malgonious - Today 2:57 AM
519> Harry - Today 2:46 AM
520> which your group has, for being shit tho
521[16/08/2016 08:09:11] Leo.gif: [16 August 2016 08:07] Caelria: 
522
523<<< Leo has PTSD from the Japanese and Mongol raids on China. Whenever he hears the word it sends him into a frenzy.Fuck china, i pledge my life to the great Kublai khan
524[16/08/2016 08:09:14] Chamo (Sean66): [16 August 2016 08:08] Sky: 
525
526<<< (But seriously, what is the current discussion going on lads?)Was on Charters, but has wondered into raiding I believe.
527[16/08/2016 08:09:15] Harry: ah
528[16/08/2016 08:09:18] Malgonious: You directly insulted my group as a whole...
529[16/08/2016 08:09:40] Harry: ok that probably wasn't worded well ur right apologies for that
530[16/08/2016 08:09:40] Sky: Ah, doop who do you represent?
531[16/08/2016 08:09:42] Sky: What group?
532[16/08/2016 08:09:45] Harry: it's still 8 am
533[16/08/2016 08:09:49] Leo.gif: sky we're talking about puppies what do you think this is about
534[16/08/2016 08:09:50] Leo.gif: smh
535[16/08/2016 08:09:57] Harry: I mean that you've got people who see bandit nation as a pvp license
536[16/08/2016 08:10:00] Sky: fuck me you Leo
537[16/08/2016 08:10:12] Leo.gif: o-oh
538[16/08/2016 08:10:12] Sky: No but seriously like.
539[16/08/2016 08:10:35] Malgonious: Harry - Today 3:09 AM
540> I mean that you've got people who see bandit nation as a pvp license
541Bandit nation huh. Right.
542[16/08/2016 08:10:42] Harry: I'm saying that should be worked on, because just because you're an antagonising force
543[16/08/2016 08:10:54] Harry: doesn't mean you need to always be antagonising
544[16/08/2016 08:10:55] Harry: sigh
545[16/08/2016 08:10:59] Harry: what do you go as now?
546[16/08/2016 08:11:05] Sky: Representing the group that is probably the most anti-raiding group on the server (even high elves have accepted it), I'll be honest here. I've had good, fun, role-play with Dreadlanders.
547[16/08/2016 08:11:16] Harry: when I was in dlands at its start we were a bandit nation
548[16/08/2016 08:11:18] Sky: (I assume Doop is dl'rs else I pooped myself)
549[16/08/2016 08:11:26] Leo.gif: [16 August 2016 08:08] Leo.gif: 
550
551<<< i know the path goes two ways and honestly I wouldn't mind raiding so much if it was less repetitive and had some substance to it other than just simple banditry. like, if you "Raiders" (just gonna use that term for simplicity) saved your raids for anti-pvp settlements for when you really needed to in RP, and just targeted areas more open to that type of experience everytime else i think you'd still get your banditry RP fix and piss off less people
552[16/08/2016 08:11:28] Harry: it's magonius ash guards leader
553[16/08/2016 08:11:30] Harry: p sure
554[16/08/2016 08:11:39] Sky: Ahhh, okay.
555[16/08/2016 08:11:57] Malgonious: Ruric Family Head and leader of the Ashguard. Good to make acquaintance.
556[16/08/2016 08:12:06] Harry: what do you go by now then
557[16/08/2016 08:12:08] Harry: malg
558[16/08/2016 08:12:14] Sky: Nice to meet ya too matey, I represent the Druids (:
559[16/08/2016 08:12:16] Leo.gif: If the head of a settlement says "look we don't like this type of RP and its draining on us" or something like that then just leave them alone unless RP forces your hand, there are plenty of places on LOTC for you to attack that mind banditry less
560[16/08/2016 08:12:16] Sky: Or well
561[16/08/2016 08:12:18] Sky: Druid Order.
562[16/08/2016 08:12:35] Malgonious: You don't see Dlands going and raiding druids or helves
563[16/08/2016 08:12:56] Sky: I mean, I would assume that's cause in RP the druid order and DL'rs have no beef.
564[16/08/2016 08:13:02] Malgonious: We raid Oren specifically because they're an antagonizing conquering group that exists to exert domination over other races and lesser groups
565[16/08/2016 08:13:13] Leo.gif: I uh
566[16/08/2016 08:13:15] Leo.gif: wont
567[16/08/2016 08:13:17] Leo.gif: get into IC politics
568[16/08/2016 08:13:35] Leo.gif: but its good you don't raid the less PVP-centric groups. I'm speaking on principal, not directly accusing anyone
569[16/08/2016 08:14:01] Leo.gif: in an ideal world people wouldn't knowingly raid places that oocly dislike it unless RP called for it unavoidably
570[16/08/2016 08:14:26] Malgonious: And it's not like we just go slaughter random civilians.  Ashguard are ordered only to kill guards and nobles. That's a rule and if reported rply otherwise then they're executed.
571[16/08/2016 08:14:26] Sky: I mean, I completely understand the whole draining thing.
572[16/08/2016 08:14:28] Sky: HOWEVER
573[16/08/2016 08:14:42] Sky: You cannot expect them to simply, stop altogether right?
574[16/08/2016 08:14:58] Sky: I mean, sure they may slow it down and not be such a huge hassle, but if they have IC reasoning, eh, it's bound to happen.
575[16/08/2016 08:15:21] kyle: [16 August 2016 08:13] Malgonious: 
576
577<<< We raid Oren specifically because they're an antagonizing conquering group that exists to exert domination over other races and lesser groupsye
578[16/08/2016 08:15:22] Harry: my main quip with your group malgo
579[16/08/2016 08:15:27] Harry: is that you camp boats
580[16/08/2016 08:15:30] Harry: and fast travels
581[16/08/2016 08:15:36] Harry: or I've had reports that you've done it
582[16/08/2016 08:15:36] Leo.gif: [16 August 2016 08:14] Sky: 
583
584<<< but if they have IC reasoning, eh, it's bound to happen.[16 August 2016 08:14] Leo.gif: 
585
586<<< in an ideal world people wouldn't knowingly raid places that oocly dislike it unless RP called for it unavoidablycough
587[16/08/2016 08:15:42] Harry: many a times now
588[16/08/2016 08:15:48] Malgonious: If you get me a recording of us doing such, report it to GMs.
589[16/08/2016 08:15:56] Malgonious: That's against the rules
590[16/08/2016 08:16:02] Harry: yeah people have reported it to me
591[16/08/2016 08:16:05] kyle: What he mean's Malgonious
592[16/08/2016 08:16:14] kyle: Is that people sit at boats and spy.
593[16/08/2016 08:16:16] Harry: you guys wait for an event
594[16/08/2016 08:16:17] kyle: (So I believe)
595[16/08/2016 08:16:22] Harry: sit up the road a bit
596[16/08/2016 08:16:28] Harry: for that events nation
597[16/08/2016 08:16:32] Sky: Though, Harry, I would say that's genuinely the maps fault.
598[16/08/2016 08:16:36] Harry: could be
599[16/08/2016 08:16:47] kyle: tbh tho harry
600[16/08/2016 08:16:50] kyle: let's be real about this
601[16/08/2016 08:16:58] kyle: sitting on a road, what is actually wrong with it?
602[16/08/2016 08:17:02] Harry: true
603[16/08/2016 08:17:11] kyle: personally I'm glad we can actually make roads more dangerous
604[16/08/2016 08:17:19] kyle: it invites guards to leave their settlement and fight bandits on the road
605[16/08/2016 08:17:20] Harry: but i only get reports that it happens when an event is broadcasted
606[16/08/2016 08:17:23] Malgonious: It provides RP
607[16/08/2016 08:17:25] kyle: guards get their white knight rp that they like
608[16/08/2016 08:17:27] Harry: and people say it's directly at boats
609[16/08/2016 08:17:34] kyle: bandits get their conflict rp that they like
610[16/08/2016 08:17:41] Sky: But Harry, that's what you risk if you broadcast an event.
611[16/08/2016 08:17:42] kyle: and the settlement of the guard force isn't directly conflicted
612[16/08/2016 08:17:44] Malgonious: Please ban people of its on the boat.  Ee have never camped FTs.
613[16/08/2016 08:17:48] Harry: yeah I'm glad you guys are camping the ROADS rather than boats
614[16/08/2016 08:17:48] kyle: and to be honest aswell hb
615[16/08/2016 08:17:51] Malgonious: Maybe your roads but not FTs
616[16/08/2016 08:17:59] kyle: it's really shitty to see a thousand oren spammed broadcasts
617[16/08/2016 08:18:04] kyle: like we don't need a broadcast everytime theres a call to mass
618[16/08/2016 08:18:06] Sky: You can't say "Event at xyz, come all but fuck off if you're a raider!" ya know?
619[16/08/2016 08:18:08] Harry: just ask then
620[16/08/2016 08:18:14] Harry: like
621[16/08/2016 08:18:15] kyle: 'Mass at Johannesburg, everyone come now!!!'
622[16/08/2016 08:18:21] Harry: if you want an event
623[16/08/2016 08:18:24] Harry: bc
624[16/08/2016 08:18:25] Harry: just ask
625[16/08/2016 08:18:34] Harry: I do it for everyone
626[16/08/2016 08:18:35] kyle: I wouldn't mind if it was a local broadcast
627[16/08/2016 08:18:39] kyle: because that's what local broadcasts are for
628[16/08/2016 08:18:44] kyle: but a server wide 1 is weird
629[16/08/2016 08:18:46] Malgonious: If they want the broadcast to be just that. Broadcasted, then they should except more than desirables to show up.
630[16/08/2016 08:18:46] Leo.gif: [16 August 2016 08:17] kyle: 
631
632<<< guards get their white knight rp that they like[16 August 2016 08:17] kyle: 
633
634<<< bandits get their conflict rp that they likeif they're enjoying it then all the power to you but what happens when they visibly start expressing their disdain for having to do it over and over?
635[16/08/2016 08:18:49] Harry: oh I can just scream that in vanish
636[16/08/2016 08:18:50] Chamo (Sean66): Broadcasts are meh unless they're an actually big deal. More often than not they just get a poor Event Hoster to have a lot more folks than he planned on
637[16/08/2016 08:18:58] Leo.gif: eh i mean i don't mind roadside banditry all I'm realy asking for is to space it out a bit
638[16/08/2016 08:19:04] Leo.gif: not be a constant thing to have to deal with
639[16/08/2016 08:19:16] Harry: I'm glad the roads are dangerous
640[16/08/2016 08:19:21] Sky: I mean, here is my honest input on the events, and I'll be off a moment. If you cannot handle defending yourself, host the event low-key and have gates, else if you can, get your guards set-up. Peace.
641[16/08/2016 08:19:24] Harry: last map has no danger at all
642[16/08/2016 08:19:37] Leo.gif: dont be one of those whack-a-mole villains, kill him and he pops up again endlessly
643[16/08/2016 08:19:39] Harry: just I was worried you lot were being pricks and literally sitting around boats
644[16/08/2016 08:19:39] kyle: [16 August 2016 08:18] Leo.gif: 
645
646<<< if they're enjoying it then all the power to you but what happens when they visibly start expressing their disdain for having to do it over and over?roads are meant to be dangerous, settlements already have a raid timer and a big wall and you can bind your soulstone to a pillar (which recharges in 10mins)
647[16/08/2016 08:19:41] Harry: yelling halt
648[16/08/2016 08:19:45] Harry: locking them into rp
649[16/08/2016 08:19:46] kyle: if you get caught on the road can u whine?
650[16/08/2016 08:19:47] Malgonious: leowarrior14 - Today 3:19 AM
651> not be a constant thing to have to deal with
652That should be up to the guards to handle.  Do patrols, make the road safe.  We essentially create RP for them.
653[16/08/2016 08:19:52] Harry: and slaying them
654[16/08/2016 08:20:12] kyle: harry were doing our best to rp mate
655[16/08/2016 08:20:24] kyle: I don't think ive gotten into 1 pvp fight from robbing
656[16/08/2016 08:20:35] kyle: the only pvp ive been involved in was an organized skirmish and ive done 10ish robberies already.
657[16/08/2016 08:20:44] Harry: you got attacked by evil dark elf man
658[16/08/2016 08:20:47] Harry: and had to peg it
659[16/08/2016 08:20:52] Harry: that was so funny
660[16/08/2016 08:21:00] Malgonious: It's hard to RP when people blatantly ignore you and there's nothing you can do about it if I'm being honest.
661[16/08/2016 08:21:06] Harry: and yh I get YOU guys are trying
662[16/08/2016 08:21:14] Harry: ok that's a fair point
663[16/08/2016 08:21:25] Harry: perseverance is one thing bandit groups need
664[16/08/2016 08:21:32] Harry: you can't give in to
665[16/08/2016 08:21:37] Harry: if they're she were shit
666[16/08/2016 08:21:42] Harry: shit*
667[16/08/2016 08:21:43] Harry: not she
668[16/08/2016 08:21:46] Leo.gif: If your presence is getting to become a repetitive chore to them of course they'll ignore you. Space out your road camping so you become an excitement and not a daily routine
669[16/08/2016 08:22:11] Harry: but my point still stands
670[16/08/2016 08:22:31] Harry: if some of your group go out and shit on your rep
671[16/08/2016 08:22:38] Harry: people will judge you as pvping trolls
672[16/08/2016 08:22:43] Harry: who get a hate boner for stride
673[16/08/2016 08:22:48] Harry: strife*
674[16/08/2016 08:22:52] Malgonious: What RP justification do they have to ignore us.  You cannot be somewhere oocly, so even if we're a hassle that creates a problem that people need to deal with.  An RP problem that needs an RP answer.
675[16/08/2016 08:23:16] Harry: rply they might just
676[16/08/2016 08:23:18] Malgonious: Not just like "fuck these kids" and walk past
677[16/08/2016 08:23:20] Leo.gif: [16 August 2016 08:22] Malgonious: 
678
679<<< What RP justification do they have to ignore us. probably none? but you've drained any enjoyment out of RPing with you by being way too repetitive
680[16/08/2016 08:23:21] Harry: want to ignore the bandits
681[16/08/2016 08:23:24] Leo.gif: So space out your troublemaking.
682[16/08/2016 08:23:28] Caelria: Do the people who sit on roads and scream halt really do it for the rp quality?
683[16/08/2016 08:23:33] Harry: but what me and Leo are saying
684[16/08/2016 08:23:42] Harry: is that oocly it's tiresome
685[16/08/2016 08:23:44] Harry: or boring
686[16/08/2016 08:23:49] Harry: to KEEP dealing with it
687[16/08/2016 08:23:51] kyle: [16 August 2016 08:21] Leo.gif: 
688
689<<< If your presence is getting to become a repetitive chore to them of course they'll ignore you. Space out your road camping so you become an excitement and not a daily routineit's not a repetitive daily routine
690[16/08/2016 08:24:02] Malgonious: RP shouldn't be always happy and fun wtf it's a dynamic environment
691[16/08/2016 08:24:06] Harry: also malg
692[16/08/2016 08:24:09] Leo.gif: I say 'if' because tbh idk what you dreadlanders do all day.
693[16/08/2016 08:24:14] Leo.gif: As always speaking on principle here
694[16/08/2016 08:24:19] Harry: if people are oocly ignoring you
695[16/08/2016 08:24:22] Harry: literally pm me in game
696[16/08/2016 08:24:25] Harry: and I'll come moderate it
697[16/08/2016 08:24:40] Harry: as long as you're not gangbanging them with ooc jabs
698[16/08/2016 08:24:44] Leo.gif: [16 August 2016 08:24] Malgonious: 
699
700<<< RP shouldn't be always happy and fun wtf it's a dynamic environmentit should be enjoyable, even if the RP itself isn't typically 'happy'.
701[16/08/2016 08:24:50] Harry: I'll tell them to comply to some degree
702[16/08/2016 08:24:55] Malgonious: But they're not breaking a rule by ignoring us
703[16/08/2016 08:25:05] Malgonious: There's nothing in the rules against ignoring us.
704[16/08/2016 08:25:15] Harry: then why are you complaining about it
705[16/08/2016 08:25:40] Malgonious: Because that's fucking stupid!  We're an RP server that has free flowing RP not a script
706[16/08/2016 08:25:51] Harry: I agree
707[16/08/2016 08:26:01] Harry: which is why you should contact any GM with a brain
708[16/08/2016 08:26:08] Harry: and we'll come talk some sense into people
709[16/08/2016 08:26:14] Harry: I won't force them ofc
710[16/08/2016 08:26:28] Malgonious: Until there's a rule implemented against it nothing will change.
711[16/08/2016 08:26:34] Leo.gif: We're an RP server we're also a game lol, you know in tabletop D&D most DMs will intervene when the enjoyment of the actual game drains away
712[16/08/2016 08:26:46] kyle: listen let's be real
713[16/08/2016 08:26:49] Harry: like I said malg
714[16/08/2016 08:26:51] Malgonious: GMs shouldn't have to suffer for lack of a rule
715[16/08/2016 08:26:54] Harry: we tried to fix the rule
716[16/08/2016 08:26:57] kyle: how hard is it to walk off the main road or soulstone to a home or settlement?
717[16/08/2016 08:27:01] kyle: the player render distance is legit 16 blocks
718[16/08/2016 08:27:02] Malgonious: And be called out 24 7
719[16/08/2016 08:27:09] Harry: we went str8 back to the same one we had
720[16/08/2016 08:27:17] Leo.gif: [16 August 2016 08:26] kyle: 
721
722<<< how hard is it to walk off the main road or soulstone to a home or settlement?
723the player render distance is legit 16 blockshow hard is it to space out your roadside banditry so it doesn't become a chore for people to deal with?
724[16/08/2016 08:27:19] Leo.gif: goes both ways
725[16/08/2016 08:27:23] kyle: what
726[16/08/2016 08:27:28] kyle: that doesn't even make sense
727[16/08/2016 08:27:32] Harry: he's saying it as a warning I think
728[16/08/2016 08:27:32] Leo.gif: besides, you'd also be a drain on new players who haven't set their SS's yet lol
729[16/08/2016 08:27:32] kyle: that's not an issue and we haven't even been doing that
730[16/08/2016 08:27:43] kyle: listen leo we don't just start robbing ppl willy nilly
731[16/08/2016 08:27:46] Harry: like don't become that kyle
732[16/08/2016 08:27:48] kyle: it's not "fuck this guy lets rob him"
733[16/08/2016 08:27:55] kyle: we target ppl that we usually know
734[16/08/2016 08:28:02] kyle: i.e ppl who wear uniforms of orders
735[16/08/2016 08:28:05] Harry: Leo's saying be careful on not becoming that
736[16/08/2016 08:28:09] Leo.gif: Fair enough
737[16/08/2016 08:28:13] Leo.gif: I know, despite what I sound
738[16/08/2016 08:28:24] Leo.gif: I'm defensive cause of personal experience, but I'm speaking on principle, not accusing directly
739[16/08/2016 08:28:26] kyle: like, if I were to raid oren I don't go out of my way to attack noobs
740[16/08/2016 08:28:31] kyle: and I don't just 'attack' some random in oren
741[16/08/2016 08:28:42] kyle: for example we would enter the city, ask for tribute or kidnap someone
742[16/08/2016 08:29:01] kyle: the idea has always been to provide rp for the defenders and also to provide rp after the attack
743[16/08/2016 08:29:05] Harry: yeah just kill oocly known guys
744[16/08/2016 08:29:14] Harry: then they chimp out on the forums
745[16/08/2016 08:29:23] Harry: which is p funny
746[16/08/2016 08:29:24] Leo.gif: but IF the people you target, i.e the nobles/leaders/guards ask you to space out your villain activity a bit for the sake of allievating repetitiveness you should probably respect their wishes at least to a degree
747[16/08/2016 08:29:25] Malgonious: Harry - Today 3:29 AM
748> then they chimp out on the forums
749I chuckled hahahaha
750[16/08/2016 08:29:38] kyle: right but that's them taking a game too far, that's not us being bad at rp or causing them unenjoyment
751[16/08/2016 08:29:41] kyle: we tried our best and they didnt
752[16/08/2016 08:29:48] Harry: mate I sorta miss cancer pvping with Kyle and bagel
753[16/08/2016 08:29:55] kyle: if someone doesn't want to cooperate with you, they can really be a bitch and cause a terrible nuisance
754[16/08/2016 08:30:01] Harry: literally got stoneskins nerfed single ha deadly
755[16/08/2016 08:30:08] Harry: handedly*
756[16/08/2016 08:30:31] kyle: they can mask their anger for bad rp and other bullshit but that doesn't mean we did bad rp.
757[16/08/2016 08:30:48] kyle: I hate to b personal about this but I'm just speaking from my own opinion with raiding and such
758[16/08/2016 08:30:56] Harry: nah go ahead and be personal
759[16/08/2016 08:31:01] Harry: that's ur experience and opinion
760[16/08/2016 08:31:02] Leo.gif: [16 August 2016 08:29] kyle: 
761
762<<< if someone doesn't want to cooperate with you, they can really be a bitch and cause a terrible nuisancei know lol ive raided before or just generally had to go out of my way in RP to attack someone i know how frustrating it can be to get them to cooperate even when youre being perfectly reasonable
763[16/08/2016 08:31:05] Leo.gif: but part of what I'm saying is
764[16/08/2016 08:31:07] Harry: it's what we want here
765[16/08/2016 08:31:08] Leo.gif: unless you rly have RP reason to
766[16/08/2016 08:31:10] Leo.gif: why not just
767[16/08/2016 08:31:14] Leo.gif: not bother with those people
768[16/08/2016 08:31:22] kyle: leo I get your point 100%
769[16/08/2016 08:31:33] Malgonious: Look how about this: if I can write up a DOC that presents a better solution to a simple Halt justification and also caters to those that are consistently harassed and bring it to the round table, can we get some legitimate feedback that isn't saying the same thing over and over again or insulting a specific group?
770[16/08/2016 08:31:36] kyle: because I don't fuck with people that mind their own business
771[16/08/2016 08:31:55] Malgonious: Because we're just talking in circles here.
772[16/08/2016 08:32:05] Leo.gif: Tbh kyle you seem to already abide by all the standards ive been calling for from bandit-esque groups so I'm fine with you personally
773[16/08/2016 08:32:25] kyle: but when I'm trying to deal with someone and a noob/random get's involved does it become my fault or theres that they got involved?
774[16/08/2016 08:32:32] Harry: ok malg I've apologised for insulting you
775[16/08/2016 08:32:35] kyle: because this is some fucked up bullshit that I get alot
776[16/08/2016 08:32:36] Harry: don't need to keep poking me
777[16/08/2016 08:32:55] kyle: someone will attack me, for threatening or attacking another person then bitch like we targeted him
778[16/08/2016 08:33:08] Harry: kyle is what I like to call a bandit that tries
779[16/08/2016 08:33:17] Harry: rather than *draws blad
780[16/08/2016 08:33:23] kyle: which I hope you can see from my pov, it's kinda shitty, they willingly got themselves involved and it's genuinely unpleasing when they bitch and try to call bad rp
781[16/08/2016 08:33:24] Harry: he does *draws blad slowly
782[16/08/2016 08:33:40] Harry: ofc that's not literal but
783[16/08/2016 08:33:45] Harry: you get what I mean
784[16/08/2016 08:33:47] Leo.gif: sometimes it isn't really a "choice" to them even if they technically do have a choice
785[16/08/2016 08:34:11] kyle: well it is? they either don't get involved or they do, they chose to get involved so why are they bitching about me 'excessively' targeting them?
786[16/08/2016 08:34:23] Leo.gif: like if I'm a fighting man seeing an orc attack some lady in my city i do technically have the choice to just watch but that would betray my character even if i dont particularly want to have a fight oocly
787[16/08/2016 08:34:27] kyle: if they have a problem with me 'fighting' or 'rping' with them, why do they only rp/attack me when it suits them best
788[16/08/2016 08:34:37] kyle: why do I have to rp with someone who only rps when they are in a situation that is advantageous sto them
789[16/08/2016 08:34:43] kyle: that is the shit that we have to deal with
790[16/08/2016 08:34:51] Harry: also I think malgs right we've expressed our qualms with the halt rule and all and expressed why certain groups are affected by it
791[16/08/2016 08:34:55] kyle: I dnno, just my opinion
792[16/08/2016 08:34:58] Harry: we're at a stalemate now
793[16/08/2016 08:34:59] Harry: so
794[16/08/2016 08:35:07] Harry: how do we make the rule better
795[16/08/2016 08:35:22] Harry: what can i propose to the rest of the GM team as a new rule
796[16/08/2016 08:35:41] Harry: keep in mind this needs to make it so bandits aren't just ignored
797[16/08/2016 08:35:45] Harry: not bandits
798[16/08/2016 08:35:46] Harry: soz
799[16/08/2016 08:35:52] Harry: anatagonisig forces*
800[16/08/2016 08:36:06] Leo.gif: honestly fine with the raid rules as they are tbh i just want to define "Wartime" for wartime raids
801[16/08/2016 08:36:11] Harry: but also factors in the enjoyment for other people on the receiving end
802[16/08/2016 08:36:13] Leo.gif: Make it so there has to be a warclaim up
803[16/08/2016 08:36:16] Leo.gif: to qualify being 'at war'
804[16/08/2016 08:36:21] Harry: yeah I can mention that
805[16/08/2016 08:36:26] Harry: but this still applies
806[16/08/2016 08:37:17] Harry: how can this rule be made fairer for both sides
807[16/08/2016 08:37:22] Malgonious: As I stated I'll write something up.
808[16/08/2016 08:37:33] Harry: yeah you can do that
809[16/08/2016 08:37:33] Malgonious: Going back and forth like this won't cut it.
810[16/08/2016 08:37:41] Harry: well
811[16/08/2016 08:37:48] Harry: we haven't actually discussed the rule yet
812[16/08/2016 08:37:52] Harry: sonic can't really decide that yet
813[16/08/2016 08:37:58] Harry: so you*
814[16/08/2016 08:39:33] Malgonious: I'd say off the top of my head, if bandits do legitimate RP and set stuff up like a blockade on a road with their friends, they should have justification to yell halt on Someone coming down a road and engage in RP with them
815[16/08/2016 08:39:54] Malgonious: And not be ignored and simply walked past.
816[16/08/2016 08:40:13] kyle: i honestly think the downing and reviving someone was a good rule
817[16/08/2016 08:40:16] kyle: it was a very good compromise
818[16/08/2016 08:40:21] kyle: ppl that ran away got punished
819[16/08/2016 08:40:33] Malgonious: You don't get to pop them and they had to RP with you if you caught them.
820[16/08/2016 08:40:34] Harry: yeah
821[16/08/2016 08:40:35] kyle: ppl that ran away got rp instead of a quick execution
822[16/08/2016 08:40:38] kyle: yeah
823[16/08/2016 08:40:39] Harry: I'm sad that got scrapped
824[16/08/2016 08:40:45] kyle: it was a good compromise
825[16/08/2016 08:40:55] Harry: it's very realistic too
826[16/08/2016 08:40:58] Malgonious: So it gives people the chance to just bolt and not deal with it
827[16/08/2016 08:41:03] Harry: if they started running you'd tackle em down
828[16/08/2016 08:41:06] kyle: compromises like defender default and 'halt' are good changes to the server
829[16/08/2016 08:41:08] Harry: and they'd be forced to comply
830[16/08/2016 08:41:25] Harry: I think banditry could
831[16/08/2016 08:41:29] kyle: 'halt' as in the rule where you have to rp with someone after you down them
832[16/08/2016 08:41:32] Harry: use a huge rework
833[16/08/2016 08:41:44] Harry: like give you guys structures you can move around and use
834[16/08/2016 08:41:58] Harry: could even just function under war
835[16/08/2016 08:42:10] kyle: ive been calling for an idea where you can set up roadside tolling stations at will
836[16/08/2016 08:42:18] kyle: like a wagon, or a tent or a blockade on the road
837[16/08/2016 08:42:21] Harry: like you can set up a blockade in ene- yh
838[16/08/2016 08:42:32] Harry: if I declare open aggression
839[16/08/2016 08:42:39] Harry: you can move around some sorta
840[16/08/2016 08:42:45] Harry: camp or blockade
841[16/08/2016 08:42:50] kyle: yeah
842[16/08/2016 08:42:51] Harry: you not I
843[16/08/2016 08:42:52] Tristin (Leric): .
844[16/08/2016 08:42:57] Harry: don't skip
845[16/08/2016 08:43:02] Harry: you with a .
846[16/08/2016 08:43:05] Harry: you chimp
847[16/08/2016 08:43:11] Harry: actually read
848[16/08/2016 08:43:15] Harry: you're a GM in here now too
849[16/08/2016 08:43:17] Tristin (Leric): Im reading you fucking chimpanzee
850[16/08/2016 08:43:26] Tristin (Leric): Im trying to fix my Skype because it wont update my conversations
851[16/08/2016 08:43:26] Harry: kk xoxoxoxoxoxoxox
852[16/08/2016 08:43:31] Tristin (Leric): and it says im in a different timezone
853[16/08/2016 08:43:32] Harry: oh lol
854[16/08/2016 08:43:33] Tristin (Leric): even though iM NOT
855[16/08/2016 08:43:36] Harry: sucks to be you
856[16/08/2016 08:43:40] Tristin (Leric): AND I SET IT TO THE RIGHT TIMEZONE
857[16/08/2016 08:43:42] Tristin (Leric): AND IT STILL WONT
858[16/08/2016 08:43:53] Harry: I think open aggression is a good term
859[16/08/2016 08:43:56] Harry: actually
860[16/08/2016 08:43:59] Harry: a step before war
861[16/08/2016 08:44:09] Harry: like one that could be implemented
862[16/08/2016 08:44:41] Harry: it gives more bandity groups somethings that won't have them stomped
863[16/08/2016 08:44:53] Harry: by an insta warclaim
864[16/08/2016 08:45:02] Harry: anyway I gotta head out
865[16/08/2016 08:45:12] Harry: talk about the rule together rather than just solo draft it please
866[16/08/2016 08:45:34] Harry: it'll either just be favoured to you or not factor in other good opinions and ideas that can come
867[16/08/2016 08:45:46] Harry: that applies to anyone in here
868[16/08/2016 08:45:53] Harry: we're a group for a reaso
869[16/08/2016 09:07:35] Matt: what rule
870[16/08/2016 09:26:33] Harry: the er
871[16/08/2016 09:26:36] Harry: halt isn't sufficient
872[16/08/2016 09:26:38] Harry: rule
873[16/08/2016 09:26:44] Harry: to like start rp
874[16/08/2016 09:26:57] Harry: it's unfair to raiders/bandits/a tags
875[16/08/2016 09:27:01] Shalashask: also after this I would like to talk about some nations being able to build walls around their settlements on regions they shouldn't be allowed to build on
876[16/08/2016 09:27:30] Harry: but if we force you to rp with anyone who says halt
877[16/08/2016 09:27:44] Harry: it's unfair on victims
878[16/08/2016 09:29:30] Matt: Err
879[16/08/2016 09:29:34 | Edited 09:29:23] Matt: No its not
880[16/08/2016 09:29:53] Matt: Halt isn't good enough for pvp, unless people run, but wtf else can you do
881[16/08/2016 09:30:04] Leo.gif: We could just make it so they can run and if you down them then they have to rp
882[16/08/2016 09:30:07] Matt: "HELLO GOOD SIR I WOULD PREFER THAT YOU CEASE YOUR WALKING SO I MAY SPEAK TO YOU"
883[16/08/2016 09:30:17] Leo.gif: lmao
884[16/08/2016 09:30:23] Matt: when "halt" literally accomplishes the same thing
885[16/08/2016 09:31:00] Leo.gif: hello my fair individual i request you cease your forward movement so i may use means of intimidation to relieve you of your belongings
886[16/08/2016 09:31:17] Matt: *looks towards dreadlandic colleague
887[16/08/2016 09:31:22 | Edited 09:31:13] Matt: "we're rpers now.."
888[16/08/2016 09:32:36] Leo.gif: There you go
889[16/08/2016 09:32:40] Leo.gif: just write a long rp message
890[16/08/2016 09:32:42] Leo.gif: put it on macro
891[16/08/2016 09:32:57] Matt: This is literally a waste of time
892[16/08/2016 09:33:02] Matt: discuss things that are actually urgent
893[16/08/2016 09:33:13] Matt: Like FUCKING SWING TIMERS and nexus power creep
894[16/08/2016 09:33:17] Matt: Again.
895[16/08/2016 09:33:55] Luke: I think it's decided that the community dislikes them
896[16/08/2016 09:34:21 | Edited 09:34:11] Matt: Yeah only like 132425 years ago
897[16/08/2016 09:34:23] Leo.gif: Just like, no more grinding would be good
898[16/08/2016 09:34:53] Leo.gif: disassociate RPG plugins from pvp and give professions like blacksmith extra perks in the cosmetic department
899[16/08/2016 09:34:54] Leo.gif: for example
900[16/08/2016 09:34:56] Matt: I want enchants removed
901[16/08/2016 09:35:07] Leo.gif: aengulic smith can give swords custom names/descriptions
902[16/08/2016 09:35:15] Matt: Literally I couldn't give an ounce of fried shit if you have to grind, but don't make it sharpness XXXIXIXIXI
903[16/08/2016 09:35:20] Leo.gif: just swords so not to cheapen VIP perks
904[16/08/2016 09:36:35] Matt: And the "it's a ''''''''''''''rare''''''''''''''' item" excuse doesn't work
905[16/08/2016 09:36:44] Matt: Because there are always duping glitches, which people will always dupe
906[16/08/2016 09:37:17] Leo.gif: Just disassociate nexus from PVP so it doesn't breed this unhealthy grinding culture of everyone retreating to their grinding basements to crank out the best dank gear for those skirmishes
907[16/08/2016 09:37:26] Shalashask: What's urgent is the dark elves are allowed to build a wall around their settlement on land they shouldn't be able to build on
908[16/08/2016 09:37:42] Leo.gif: rpg skills should give you extra bonus shit if you level them up, not be required for you to function
909[16/08/2016 09:37:58] Matt: The first question on everyones minds is "shit we need a blacksmith"
910[16/08/2016 09:38:04] Leo.gif: The dark elves live in a mountain what wall
911[16/08/2016 09:38:17] Matt: "Oh wait not just a blacksmith but a leatherworker and a stonemason and everything fucking else"
912[16/08/2016 09:38:49] Shalashask: why do they have perms outside of their fief?
913[16/08/2016 09:39:13] Leo.gif: IDK maybe you should ask them yourself? doesn't seem like a problem for this chat lol
914[16/08/2016 09:39:29] Leo.gif: this is a chat for general issues not specific stuff like this
915[16/08/2016 09:39:58] Shalashask: I would say one group getting region perms to their whole tile is an issue when over groups don't get the same
916[16/08/2016 09:40:55] Leo.gif: If i had to guess i guess some GM added just brokenhelix because he had to build something which was 5-10 blocks out of reach of their plot maybe?
917[16/08/2016 09:41:13] Leo.gif: not like the darkies are building a thriving metropolis on a global region.
918[16/08/2016 09:41:25] Leo.gif: I'm sure under same circumstances other playerbases would get similar minor leniencies
919[16/08/2016 09:45:57] Matt: Might be a good idea to have an actual discussion about swing timers first, then nexus balancing after, soon
920[16/08/2016 09:46:09] Matt: Rather than me just screaming like a banshee into the void
921[16/08/2016 09:46:59] Matt: Most of the playerbase cares about it, they're just too resigned to being ignored that they don't think itll change
922[16/08/2016 09:47:06 | Edited 09:46:58] Matt: fortunately I never stop whining
923[16/08/2016 09:47:47] Shalashask: A majority want swing timers gone
924[16/08/2016 09:48:14] Leo.gif: We shitpost for all those who wont shitpost for themselves
925Matt
926[16/08/2016 09:48:47] Matt: Example number one of many
927[16/08/2016 09:50:05] Shalashask: Which plugins or mods make it impossible for our devs to remove swing timers?
928[16/08/2016 09:50:17] Matt: None to my understanding
929[16/08/2016 09:50:23] Matt: they just have to rebalance the weapons
930[16/08/2016 09:50:29] Matt: Hence the 'swing timer bug'
931[16/08/2016 09:51:27] Matt: The most egregious thing is that the playerbase has been actively lied to.
932[16/08/2016 09:51:32] Matt: "We can't remove this."
933[16/08/2016 09:52:21] Matt: When obviously that isn't true. generally as people who don't do computer science shit in their actual lives, the playerbase wants the truth about things, not just a vague lie of "we can't do it"
934[16/08/2016 09:52:53] Ricktatorship: Well recently, it hasn't been that they can't do it.
935[16/08/2016 09:52:57] Ricktatorship: It's "we're working on it"
936[16/08/2016 09:53:03] Ricktatorship: "not willing to expose what we're doing"
937[16/08/2016 09:53:20] Matt: Apparently in those leaks a few days ago, it reveals that no plan was made.
938[16/08/2016 09:53:30] Matt: God bless by the way, losing rep was worth it.
939[16/08/2016 09:53:52] Ricktatorship: Yeah, after I read the leaks I was disappointed by how much irrelevant shit was being talked about in those chats.
940[16/08/2016 09:53:57] Ricktatorship: Like the disconnection was real.
941[16/08/2016 09:54:42] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: I can sincerely say I was not surprised in the slightest.
942[16/08/2016 09:55:29] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: I feel as though the staff team is like a city council for a small town that try to act like they're one of the big boys.
943[16/08/2016 09:56:04] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: When it's really just a middle school, two suburbs and a small shopping street.
944[16/08/2016 09:56:34 | Edited 09:56:31] Matt: Nah most of the staff isn't the problem, its indifference isn't helping
945[16/08/2016 09:56:37] Matt: but its nto the problem
946[16/08/2016 09:58:51] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: I'll tell you what the problem is.
947[16/08/2016 09:58:53] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: The Jews.
948[16/08/2016 09:59:09] Ricktatorship: I think there was more talking in the GM chat about the frog tent the dreadlanders made than Nexus and swing timers put together.
949[16/08/2016 10:00:05] Tristin (Leric): That's more of a Dev thing than it is Gm, Ricky. I'm pretty confident most, if not all the Gms can agree to removing swing timers.
950[16/08/2016 10:00:13] Matt: Exactly
951[16/08/2016 10:00:15] Tristin (Leric): It's a matter of the Dev team doing that.
952[16/08/2016 10:00:18 | Edited 10:00:08] Matt: If I'm not mistaken there's a dev in here
953[16/08/2016 10:00:19] Ricktatorship: The issue is that you guys should literally be rioting.
954[16/08/2016 10:00:23] Matt: Yeah
955[16/08/2016 10:00:26] Ricktatorship: You have more say than all of us.
956[16/08/2016 10:00:29] Matt: The GMs at the moment are weak and passive.
957[16/08/2016 10:00:30] Ricktatorship: You're the fucking GM Team.
958[16/08/2016 10:00:30] Tristin (Leric): Fair
959[16/08/2016 10:00:34] Tristin (Leric): Well I'm a trial.
960[16/08/2016 10:00:34 | Edited 10:00:23] Matt: Make a fucking ruckus for god sake
961[16/08/2016 10:00:38] Ricktatorship: ^
962[16/08/2016 10:00:38] Matt: so was i
963[16/08/2016 10:00:46] Matt: I changed conquest rules so they weren't shit
964[16/08/2016 10:01:08] Leo.gif: Hey
965[16/08/2016 10:01:10] Leo.gif: I helped
966[16/08/2016 10:01:10] Matt: Idk what the fuck pandann has done to you all but jesus Christ the lack of claws and balls is fucking grim
967[16/08/2016 10:01:10] Leo.gif: with that
968[16/08/2016 10:01:12] Leo.gif: I think
969[16/08/2016 10:01:13] Matt: you did
970[16/08/2016 10:01:16] Leo.gif: Good times
971[16/08/2016 10:01:25] Matt: Does he literally castrate new gms?
972[16/08/2016 10:01:36] kyle: matt
973[16/08/2016 10:01:38] Tristin (Leric): I
974[16/08/2016 10:01:42] Tristin (Leric): have brought it up a few tmes
975[16/08/2016 10:01:46] kyle: it's not that they are all timid to speak up
976[16/08/2016 10:01:51] kyle: it's more of the fact that there is only 5 active gm's
977[16/08/2016 10:01:56] kyle: and 2 that do modreq's
978[16/08/2016 10:01:59] Tristin (Leric): Uhhhh
979[16/08/2016 10:02:03] kyle: i bet the admin modreq count is higher than the gms
980[16/08/2016 10:02:04] Matt: I wouldn't know
981[16/08/2016 10:02:13] Tristin (Leric): Okay that's not true @ all Kyle but.
982[16/08/2016 10:02:17] kyle: ??
983[16/08/2016 10:02:17] Matt: That's another issue though
984[16/08/2016 10:02:19] kyle: read the skype logs
985[16/08/2016 10:02:24] kyle: do i need to drop u the download
986[16/08/2016 10:02:29] Tristin (Leric): No I've seen them
987[16/08/2016 10:02:34] Matt: Focusing on swing timers for is probably better
988[16/08/2016 10:02:37] Leo.gif: modreqs aren't the problem, most mods do hit their quota
989[16/08/2016 10:02:40] Matt: Its literally the tiniest issue
990[16/08/2016 10:02:41] Leo.gif: its just the general disconnect
991[16/08/2016 10:02:46] Ricktatorship: Quota is like 45 now isn't it?
992[16/08/2016 10:02:51] Tristin (Leric): There's plenty more than 5 active Gms along with more than 2 who do reqs
993[16/08/2016 10:02:52] Ricktatorship: I would be legitimately disturbed
994[16/08/2016 10:02:53] Tristin (Leric): no wtf
995[16/08/2016 10:02:55] Ricktatorship: if they didn't hit 45
996[16/08/2016 10:02:58] Tristin (Leric): Quota is 90
997[16/08/2016 10:02:59] Leo.gif: But then again you're assuming that GMs opinions mean jack shit when it comes to actual change lol
998[16/08/2016 10:02:59] kyle: but if admins like fire, pandann and telanir are doing more modreq's than actual gms then theres reason for concern
999[16/08/2016 10:03:01] Tristin (Leric): 3%
1000[16/08/2016 10:03:32] Ricktatorship: [16 August 2016 10:02] Leo.gif: 
1001
1002<<< But then again you're assuming that GMs opinions mean jack shit when it comes to actual change lolSo what Im getting is that devs step on the GMs toys and in return they take it out on us.
1003[16/08/2016 10:03:38] Ricktatorship: we're like the little abused kid's cat
1004[16/08/2016 10:03:40] Leo.gif: and yeah it does seem like being remotely opinionated makes you lose points on the GM team
1005[16/08/2016 10:03:54] Matt: Literally the gm team has been fucked over PEX wise for a year it's pretty hilarious
1006[16/08/2016 10:04:00] Leo.gif: i wasn't kicked for being opinionated but i wish more GMs would stop thinking being passive = being professional
1007[16/08/2016 10:04:03] Matt: Server moderator team has return hehe
1008[16/08/2016 10:04:33] kyle: [16 August 2016 10:04] Leo.gif: 
1009
1010<<< i wasn't kicked for being opinionated but i wish more GMs would stop thinking being passive = being professionalbeing opinionated in the gm chat is fine but i think the staff team should present a professional passive stance to normal players imo
1011[16/08/2016 10:04:54] Leo.gif: Yeah in public
1012[16/08/2016 10:05:08] kyle: every gm seems quite content with how the server's going, i think that's the most disturbing thing for me
1013[16/08/2016 10:05:20] kyle: it's clear the server is in a bad spot, we haven't grown enough in 5 years
1014[16/08/2016 10:05:26] Leo.gif: But even in the GM chat the ones who are trying way too hard to be tythus ltd corporate mod-bots always act like opinions are poison
1015[16/08/2016 10:05:40] Leo.gif: unless that's drastically changed since july lol
1016[16/08/2016 10:05:50] Ricktatorship: Doubt it leo
1017[16/08/2016 10:05:52] Matt: Can someone explain to me why imcookie thought I was joking?
1018[16/08/2016 10:05:57] Ricktatorship: it was like that when matt and I were on the team.
1019[16/08/2016 10:06:00] kyle: and when i mean gm's seem content, i mean the large majority, i don't mean the individuals who stand up and trying to change something
1020[16/08/2016 10:06:03] Matt: Eh it wasn't really
1021[16/08/2016 10:06:07] Ricktatorship: difference is that there were less of them
1022[16/08/2016 10:06:10] Matt: Yeah
1023[16/08/2016 10:06:10] Ricktatorship: do you not remember the arguments
1024[16/08/2016 10:06:18] Ricktatorship: against turning the server into a hug box
1025[16/08/2016 10:06:23] Matt: I remember me and connor going at it all the time
1026[16/08/2016 10:06:29] Matt: very fun
1027[16/08/2016 10:06:35] kyle: that sounds p banterous like
1028[16/08/2016 10:06:40] Ricktatorship: it wasn't just connor but generally the people w those opinions were few
1029[16/08/2016 10:06:47] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Hug boxes are a blight
1030[16/08/2016 10:07:05] Matt: Can I just make a point that the tech team really fucking needs to take on board
1031[16/08/2016 10:07:42] Matt: Some of the plugins are really shit, some of the decisions have been really shit, but that's not whats majorly fucking people off. It's that we're giving good feedback and being ignored is literally not enough of a representation anymore
1032[16/08/2016 10:07:45] Matt: its literally dumb as fuck
1033[16/08/2016 10:07:50] Shalashask: dw, we have the most professional and honest person leading the dev team now
1034[16/08/2016 10:08:35] Matt: My scathing post against the dev team was responded by 501 stepping down???? as if that's a good compromise?
1035[16/08/2016 10:08:54] Leo.gif: i dont want kowamans head on a spike i just want people who commit similar crimes as him to also be unbanned
1036[16/08/2016 10:08:56] Leo.gif: hint
1037[16/08/2016 10:09:02] Leo.gif: his name starts with an h and rhymes with nero
1038[16/08/2016 10:09:14] Shalashask: hniggerero
1039[16/08/2016 10:09:20] Leo.gif: yea him
1040[16/08/2016 10:09:20] Leo.gif: lol
1041[16/08/2016 10:09:21] Tristin (Leric): I would like Heero to be unbanned.
1042[16/08/2016 10:09:29] Ricktatorship: I wasn't here for all that but the heero thing is fucking weird
1043[16/08/2016 10:09:30] Ricktatorship: it really is
1044[16/08/2016 10:09:35] Ricktatorship: from what I have been told
1045[16/08/2016 10:09:38] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: I don't understand why the tech team aren't under the yoke of the GMs. It's fucking ridiculous that they can't get shit done because "well its up to the techies :l" and their bossmen just push everything under the rug and say "We know whats best for you, dw"
1046[16/08/2016 10:09:38 | Edited 10:09:29] Ricktatorship: mitto let him on his account
1047[16/08/2016 10:09:43] Tristin (Leric): I mean Heero is a dumbass but
1048[16/08/2016 10:09:45] Ricktatorship: and heero gets banned for that?
1049[16/08/2016 10:09:49] Matt: [16 August 2016 10:09] Jonas: 
1050
1051<<< I don't understand why the tech team aren't under the yoke of the GMs.Because telanir is an admin
1052[16/08/2016 10:09:50] Tristin (Leric): He shouldn't be banned this long lmao
1053[16/08/2016 10:09:52] Ricktatorship: and mitto remains gm?
1054[16/08/2016 10:09:57] Matt: Tech team should never be admins
1055[16/08/2016 10:09:59] Tristin (Leric): Mitto isn't a GM anymore-
1056[16/08/2016 10:10:02] Ricktatorship: he was
1057[16/08/2016 10:10:08] Tristin (Leric): He was suspended, then came back for like a month or two.
1058[16/08/2016 10:10:13] Matt: Lets not do the hero thing
1059[16/08/2016 10:10:16] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Is Telanir the chief of tech team now?
1060[16/08/2016 10:10:23] Harry: no kowa is
1061[16/08/2016 10:10:28] Harry: he's just a tech admin
1062[16/08/2016 10:10:30] Harry: p sure
1063[16/08/2016 10:10:31] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Oh how swell
1064[16/08/2016 10:10:35] Harry: yah dude
1065[16/08/2016 10:10:36] Matt: No decisions can be made against the tech teams interests when the fucking tech team guy is an admin
1066[16/08/2016 10:10:40] Matt: Its literal autism
1067[16/08/2016 10:10:50] Leo.gif: Fireheart i think is actually properly strict with his GMs its not like previous GM heads who did jack shit when their mods were abusing the fuck out of their position
1068[16/08/2016 10:10:50] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: The figure who once wanted to literally sue the server? : )
1069[16/08/2016 10:10:58] Shalashask: When I first came to this server I was surprised at the general unprofessionalism of the staff team. You have to remember though that the staff is made up of 16-20 year olds. Obviously most are just there for their own ego.
1070[16/08/2016 10:11:02] Leo.gif: If only he had similar authority over the tech team haha
1071[16/08/2016 10:11:04] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Really fucking seems like he's a wellmeaning man
1072[16/08/2016 10:11:05] Matt: And I have a sneaking suspicion that Fireheart can't overpower telanir
1073[16/08/2016 10:11:10] Harry: fuck u shal........
1074[16/08/2016 10:11:15] Harry: let me feel powerful.......
1075[16/08/2016 10:11:26] Harry: Matt the issue is
1076[16/08/2016 10:11:36] Harry: say I go to argue with kowa on swing timers
1077[16/08/2016 10:11:40] Harry: I tell him you CAN do it
1078[16/08/2016 10:11:49] Harry: but he could just say "how, then"
1079[16/08/2016 10:11:50] Harry: or
1080[16/08/2016 10:11:55] Matt: Lol
1081[16/08/2016 10:11:58] Harry: "go do it"
1082[16/08/2016 10:12:00] Leo.gif: Kowaman is not the most diplomatic of individuals
1083[16/08/2016 10:12:02] Matt: haha really?
1084[16/08/2016 10:12:08] Ricktatorship: LOL
1085[16/08/2016 10:12:09] Harry: I can't code mate
1086[16/08/2016 10:12:12] Tristin (Leric): We literally have glitched swords that don't have swing timers.
1087[16/08/2016 10:12:12] Harry: no it's just like
1088[16/08/2016 10:12:17] Harry: an example
1089[16/08/2016 10:12:18] Matt: [16 August 2016 10:12] Tristin (Leric): 
1090
1091<<< We literally have glitched swords that don't have swing timers.AND ITS WAY MORE FUN
1092[16/08/2016 10:12:18] Tristin (Leric): "duplicate your own fuck up"
1093[16/08/2016 10:12:27] Harry: Matt that post
1094[16/08/2016 10:12:28] Harry: made me so sad
1095[16/08/2016 10:12:29] Shalashask: [16 August 2016 10:12] Tristin (Leric): 
1096
1097<<< We literally have glitched swords that don't have swing timers.those were dirty dreadlander hackers
1098[16/08/2016 10:12:31] Matt: Hahaha
1099[16/08/2016 10:12:36] Harry: that I had to ask swing timers to be put in
1100[16/08/2016 10:12:39] Leo.gif: can i just say tho fuck discord
1101[16/08/2016 10:12:41] Leo.gif: not related
1102[16/08/2016 10:12:42] Leo.gif: just
1103[16/08/2016 10:12:43] Leo.gif: fuck discord
1104[16/08/2016 10:12:44] Harry: yes you can
1105[16/08/2016 10:12:47] Tristin (Leric): FUCK DISCORD OH MY GOD
1106[16/08/2016 10:12:47] Harry: hence why we're here
1107[16/08/2016 10:12:50] Shalashask: can I just say
1108[16/08/2016 10:12:51] Tristin (Leric): I HATE DISCORD
1109[16/08/2016 10:12:51 | Removed 10:12:53] Shalashask: This message has been removed.
1110[16/08/2016 10:12:51] Tristin (Leric): SO MUCH
1111[16/08/2016 10:12:52] Matt: Dude Oren, Haria and Dreadlands agree on this one topic, that is when you know.
1112[16/08/2016 10:12:56] Matt: to fucking change it
1113[16/08/2016 10:12:58] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Fuck discord
1114[16/08/2016 10:13:01] Harry: Matt
1115[16/08/2016 10:13:01] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Just end it.
1116[16/08/2016 10:13:22] Leo.gif: the salt-shaker symbol has lit the night sky, the time has come for another feedback post
1117[16/08/2016 10:13:24] Leo.gif: 'fuck discord'
1118[16/08/2016 10:13:34] Tristin (Leric): hallelujah
1119[16/08/2016 10:13:38] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: [16 August 2016 10:12] Matt: 
1120
1121<<< Dude Oren, Haria and Dreadlands agree on this one topic, that is when you know.
1122to fucking change it"Israel and Saudi Arabia shake hands on the Discord dispute."
1123[16/08/2016 10:13:42] Matt: This feedback chat will be considered as nothing but a joke if swing timers are not removed.
1124[16/08/2016 10:13:50] Matt: It'll be just another sideshow to tell the community
1125[16/08/2016 10:13:52] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: ^
1126[16/08/2016 10:13:54] Matt: "We are listening!"
1127[16/08/2016 10:13:54] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Long live
1128[16/08/2016 10:13:55] Tristin (Leric): Yeah.
1129[16/08/2016 10:14:00] Ricktatorship: Get ready to be disappointed, matt.
1130[16/08/2016 10:14:01] kyle: agreed
1131[16/08/2016 10:14:17] Tristin (Leric): Can someone link me the most recent swing timer poll
1132[16/08/2016 10:14:27] Ricktatorship: honestly just take your pick
1133[16/08/2016 10:14:30] Tristin (Leric): I've got 700 modreqs what the fuck else do I have to do
1134[16/08/2016 10:14:31] Ricktatorship: there should be like 5
1135Matt
1136[16/08/2016 10:14:33] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: One thing is listening, another thing is actually taking that shit in.
1137[16/08/2016 10:14:35] Matt: That's mine
1138[16/08/2016 10:14:36] Tristin (Leric): I'll go into dev gm
1139[16/08/2016 10:14:38] Tristin (Leric): and bring it up
1140[16/08/2016 10:14:45] Matt: Tell them to come here
1141[16/08/2016 10:14:47] Matt: Who are the techs
1142[16/08/2016 10:14:52 | Edited 10:14:41] Matt: add them to this
1143[16/08/2016 10:14:57] Matt: I don't want them claiming ignorance
1144[16/08/2016 10:15:18] Tristin (Leric): Kowa/Telanir
1145[16/08/2016 10:15:21] Tristin (Leric): Telanir is in here
1146[16/08/2016 10:15:32] Matt: I swear I saw Nicholas K last night.....
1147[16/08/2016 10:15:44] Matt: he's in stealth mode
1148[16/08/2016 10:16:04] Tristin (Leric): When I wake up tomorrow and after work
1149[16/08/2016 10:16:19] Tristin (Leric): Its 2am and I have to be up at 5 since we like to OPEN SO FUCKING EARLY
1150[16/08/2016 10:17:17] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Open up what?
1151[16/08/2016 10:17:21] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: The lemonade stand?
1152[16/08/2016 10:17:23] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: xdd
1153[16/08/2016 10:17:26] Ricktatorship: you got him
1154[16/08/2016 10:17:32] Tristin (Leric): no the family coffee shop
1155[16/08/2016 10:17:38] Tristin (Leric): Im a barista!!11
1156[16/08/2016 10:17:39] Tristin (Leric): in training..
1157[16/08/2016 10:17:51] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Starbucks franchisee?
1158[16/08/2016 10:17:54] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Or...
1159[16/08/2016 10:18:06] Tristin (Leric): [16 August 2016 10:17] Tristin (Leric): 
1160
1161<<< family coffee shopcome on bud
1162[16/08/2016 10:18:08] Tristin (Leric): you can do it
1163[16/08/2016 10:18:10] Shalashask: Cuck and Sons organic green tea shop
1164[16/08/2016 10:18:19] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Dude idk
1165[16/08/2016 10:18:37] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: People will prolly say something's family owned when it's a franchise
1166[16/08/2016 10:18:43] Shalashask: Just do instant coffee, most of the hipsters and starbucks won't be able to taste the difference
1167[16/08/2016 10:18:52] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Yeah
1168[16/08/2016 10:18:58] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Just give it some pretentious name
1169[16/08/2016 10:20:01] Tristin (Leric): no
1170[16/08/2016 10:20:06] Tristin (Leric): I LIKE MAKING COFFEE
1171Shalashask
1172[16/08/2016 10:20:20] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: "We squeezed the tits of a cow to bring you this latte malocchio saletti spaghettios"
1173[16/08/2016 10:20:25] Shalashask: That video made me really angry
1174[16/08/2016 10:20:49] Shalashask: Especially when they call it 'A toast' instead of toast
1175[16/08/2016 10:20:53] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Bread obsession?
1176[16/08/2016 10:20:57] Leo.gif: [16 August 2016 10:20] Jonas: 
1177
1178<<< latte malocchio oh
1179[16/08/2016 10:21:07] Leo.gif: can i get a cappuccino darksalvo
1180[16/08/2016 10:21:49] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Fucking bread obsession. This sounds like some really sad eastern european attempt at hipster culture
1181[16/08/2016 10:22:25] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: "bread is white. free from opression, corruption and poverty."
1182[16/08/2016 10:23:33] Tristin (Leric): 701 modreqs...........
1183[16/08/2016 10:23:44] Tristin (Leric): Idk I enjoy making coffee so far
1184[16/08/2016 10:23:54] Tristin (Leric): made 58$ today
1185[16/08/2016 10:27:24] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: How much do you guys charge for coffee?
1186[16/08/2016 10:27:39] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Just a regular cup of coffee. No hipster memery
1187[16/08/2016 10:29:39] Tristin (Leric): Uhhhh
1188[16/08/2016 10:29:46] Tristin (Leric): 2.50?
1189[16/08/2016 10:30:24] Harry: stfu about coffee
1190[16/08/2016 10:30:27] Harry: idiots
1191[16/08/2016 10:30:33] Harry: talk about lotc
1192[16/08/2016 10:30:39] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: You can get like a bag of coffee for 6 bucks tho
1193[16/08/2016 10:31:08] Leo.gif: 2.50 is reasonable for coffee
1194[16/08/2016 10:31:19] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: It's a rip off if you ask me.
1195[16/08/2016 10:31:21] Harry: AAAAA
1196[16/08/2016 10:31:27] Harry: NO MORE COFFEE
1197[16/08/2016 10:31:31] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Then again, I only drink coffee in private.
1198[16/08/2016 10:31:34] Leo.gif: lol coffee at starbucks is like 4 bucks
1199[16/08/2016 10:31:43] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Can't be arsed to spend money for it in coffee shops
1200[16/08/2016 10:32:20] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: I will not shut up about coffee, Harrison.
1201[16/08/2016 10:33:24] Tristin (Leric): Depends on the roast
1202[16/08/2016 10:33:41 | Edited 10:34:48] Tristin (Leric): Dark roast or single origin
1203[16/08/2016 10:35:30] Leo.gif: its a red robins right td
1204[16/08/2016 10:35:31] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: I've no idea what that means. I just turn on the coffee machine and let it do it's thing.
1205[16/08/2016 10:35:36] Tristin (Leric): what leo
1206[16/08/2016 10:35:38] Tristin (Leric): no
1207[16/08/2016 10:35:43] Tristin (Leric): that's my dads restaurant
1208[16/08/2016 10:35:46] Leo.gif: Oh
1209[16/08/2016 10:35:51] Harry: right
1210[16/08/2016 10:35:51] Tristin (Leric): im talking about my moms coffee shop that we own
1211[16/08/2016 10:35:53] Harry: that's it
1212[16/08/2016 10:35:58] Harry: talk about coffee
1213[16/08/2016 10:36:01] Leo.gif: bottomless fries at RRs are perfect for my fatass tho lol
1214[16/08/2016 10:36:04] Harry: and you're OUT of my chat
1215[16/08/2016 10:36:08] Leo.gif: your parents are very industrious
1216[16/08/2016 10:36:13] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: We are giving feedback on coffee, Harry.
1217[16/08/2016 10:36:15] Harry: if you discuss tea
1218[16/08/2016 10:36:15] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Calm down
1219[16/08/2016 10:36:19] Harry: I will approve it
1220[16/08/2016 10:36:20] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: This is what the chat was made for
1221[16/08/2016 10:36:37] HedgeHug: Good morning 1k messages
1222[16/08/2016 10:36:41] HedgeHug: missed anything good?
1223[16/08/2016 10:36:45] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Tea is for the weak.
1224[16/08/2016 10:36:56] HedgeHug: Coffee! Good plan! I'll be right back
1225[16/08/2016 10:36:57] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Tea is a poor man's coffee.
1226[16/08/2016 10:37:16] Tristin (Leric): We do tea too!
1227[16/08/2016 10:37:34] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: I bet you teabag them, creep.
1228[16/08/2016 10:38:00] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: You see some notorious non-tipper and dip your tip into his tea.
1229[16/08/2016 10:38:03] HedgeHug: [16 August 2016 10:37] Tristin (Leric): 
1230
1231<<< We do tea too!What are you
1232[16/08/2016 10:38:04] HedgeHug: british?
1233[16/08/2016 10:38:40] Tristin (Leric): na
1234[16/08/2016 10:40:48] Harry: tea is acceptable
1235[16/08/2016 10:40:54] Harry: PG TIPS
1236[16/08/2016 10:45:44] Shalashask: Pg tips is the plebian's choice
1237[16/08/2016 10:45:53 | Edited 10:45:50] Shalashask: Twinning's English Breakfast is the patrician's
1238[16/08/2016 10:45:55] Harry: die
1239[16/08/2016 10:45:59] Harry: actually end yourself
1240[16/08/2016 10:46:05] Shalashask: lol pleb
1241[16/08/2016 10:46:08] HedgeHug: sips coffee
1242[16/08/2016 10:46:13] Shalashask: I bet you shop at tescos
1243[16/08/2016 10:46:26] Harry: no i go sainsburys
1244[16/08/2016 10:46:28] Harry: you're legit from
1245[16/08/2016 10:46:32] Harry: north England
1246[16/08/2016 10:46:37] Shalashask: nope
1247[16/08/2016 10:46:40] Shalashask: I'm from Bristol
1248[16/08/2016 10:46:42] Harry: wait
1249[16/08/2016 10:46:45] Shalashask: you mongoloid
1250[16/08/2016 10:46:45] Harry: oh yeah
1251[16/08/2016 10:46:47] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: tescos is one of the shittiest shops i've been to
1252[16/08/2016 10:46:59] Harry: Bristol is
1253[16/08/2016 10:47:30] Shalashask: Waitrose + Morrisons join taskforce
1254[16/08/2016 10:47:50] Shalashask: The coop is alright I guess
1255[16/08/2016 10:48:09] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Dongleberrybiscuitshire masterrace.
1256[16/08/2016 10:48:51] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Dongleberrybiscuitshire lads represent
1257[16/08/2016 10:49:19] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: i fugging love britain dudes
1258[16/08/2016 10:50:04] Shalashask: I thought you were Swedish
1259[16/08/2016 10:50:09] Shalashask: not Norwegian
1260[16/08/2016 10:50:15] Harry: how dare you
1261[16/08/2016 10:54:11] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: I live right by the border so I'm p much half
1262[16/08/2016 10:55:56] Shalashask: Is it weird living on the border between a Nordic and Arabic country?
1263[16/08/2016 10:56:51] Harry: is it wired living on a fake beach
1264[16/08/2016 10:56:58] Harry: shal
1265[16/08/2016 10:57:34 | Edited 10:57:30] Shalashask: wot u mean
1266[16/08/2016 10:57:39] Harry: because
1267[16/08/2016 10:57:43] Harry: BRISTOL IS SHIT
1268[16/08/2016 10:57:47] Shalashask: lmao
1269[16/08/2016 10:57:52] Shalashask: You live in London mate
1270[16/08/2016 10:58:01] Harry: it's great
1271[16/08/2016 10:58:09] Harry: what are you on bruv
1272[16/08/2016 10:58:30] Shalashask: I bet you voted remain as well u fag
1273[16/08/2016 10:58:46] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: luckily that part of sweden isnt too culturally enriched. its basically a norwegian colony by now considering how many of us go there to buy cheaper stuff and thus creating a thriving cabin market there.
1274[16/08/2016 10:59:06] kyle: i voted remain and leave shala
1275[16/08/2016 10:59:21] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: there are towns there that would likely die out if it werent for norwegian shopping habits
1276[16/08/2016 10:59:25] Harry: I voted remain yh
1277[16/08/2016 10:59:28] Harry: because like
1278[16/08/2016 10:59:34] Harry: I don't give a shit rn
1279[16/08/2016 10:59:40] Shalashask: >Voted remain
1280>From London
1281[16/08/2016 10:59:41] Shalashask: eh
1282[16/08/2016 10:59:43] Harry: so if i do give one later
1283[16/08/2016 10:59:50] Harry: we can just redo the vote
1284[16/08/2016 11:00:02] Harry: tbh idrc either way
1285[16/08/2016 11:01:07] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: >Caliphate of Al-Britanha actually leaving the EU
1286what is article 50
1287[16/08/2016 11:02:12] Cruz: wakes up
1288[16/08/2016 11:02:16] Cruz: swing timers removed?
1289[16/08/2016 11:02:18 | Edited 11:02:41] Cruz: nope
1290[16/08/2016 11:02:22] Cruz: goes back to sleep
1291[16/08/2016 11:05:06] Shalashask: [16 August 2016 11:01] Jonas: 
1292
1293<<< what is article 50May will activate it
1294[16/08/2016 11:32:18 | Edited 11:32:45] Chamo (Sean66): [16 August 2016 10:00] Matt: 
1295
1296<<< If I'm not mistaken there's a dev in hereTeegah earlier shared a future post he planned on creating polling what the community wants from Devs and their future work, one of the options being the removal of swing timers amongst an assortment of other changes.
1297[16/08/2016 11:33:26] Chamo (Sean66): http://pastebin.com/rYxvnc5E
1298Anything to add
1299Or remove
1300[16/08/2016 11:34:12] HedgeHug: orc buff?
1301[16/08/2016 11:38:31] kyle: Pvp:
1302 
1303Racial pvp buffs(Yes - Remove racial buffs that have a direct effect on pvp(welves,humans) remove racial buffs in general plz
1304 
1305Swing timers(Yes (yes to remove them)
1306 
1307Luck(Yes- Remove racial luck attributes. Instead add luck potion.
1308[16/08/2016 11:38:51] Ricktatorship: I don't agree with Kyle on the racial pvp buffs.
1309[16/08/2016 11:39:07] Ricktatorship: I believe all the racial buffs should function like the Kha and delf buff.
1310[16/08/2016 11:39:11] Ricktatorship: Activated by double shift.
1311[16/08/2016 11:39:35] HedgeHug: [16 August 2016 11:38] kyle: 
1312
1313<<< Pvp:
1314 
1315Racial pvp buffs(Yes - Remove racial buffs that have a direct effect on pvp(welves,humans) remove racial buffs in general plz
1316 
1317Swing timers(Yes (yes to remove them)
1318 
1319Luck(Yes- Remove racial luck attributes. Instead add luck potion.
1320
1321In reality, complete absence of pvp buffs is something I do want, but in some way it just does not make sense
1322[16/08/2016 11:39:40] HedgeHug: the best piece of evidence I can give
1323[16/08/2016 11:39:48] HedgeHug: is the following screen, (Gimme a sec)
1324[16/08/2016 11:40:42] HedgeHug: Orcish physical superiority in roleplay can be surpassed by means of defender default and thus, pvp. Because in pvp a human and an orc are equal.
1325[16/08/2016 11:41:21] HedgeHug: I spoke with Teegah on this, and he also proposed a slight resitance buff instead of the old damage buff
1326[16/08/2016 11:41:21] kyle: hedgehog i understand your pov but the reason I'm voting for the removal of pvp buffs is due to it's blatant abuse
1327[16/08/2016 11:41:36] HedgeHug: I completely understand, we all know well enough of the orc alts
1328[16/08/2016 11:41:42 | Edited 11:41:40] kyle: there was one point a military order that had 8 ologs
1329[16/08/2016 11:42:32] HedgeHug: but you get the Idea, same with a Golem in roleplay, a muyakelg
1330[16/08/2016 11:42:43] HedgeHug: if all buffs are removed, changes are to be made to defender default
1331[16/08/2016 11:43:05] HedgeHug: because else its like "lmao you're an 8ft mass of stone?" /countdown
1332[16/08/2016 11:43:33] HedgeHug: which makes it all more difficult of a decision
1333[16/08/2016 11:43:51] Chamo (Sean66): Racials are a fun side thing to PVP at times, but mostly I don't think they're really needed.
1334[16/08/2016 11:44:06] Ricktatorship: I like them personally.
1335[16/08/2016 11:44:14] Ricktatorship: As long as they're actives.
1336[16/08/2016 11:44:15] HedgeHug: as long as they're not abused
1337[16/08/2016 11:44:16] Ricktatorship: And not passives.
1338[16/08/2016 11:44:27] Ricktatorship: Passive abilities are lazy on Minecraft.
1339[16/08/2016 11:44:44] HedgeHug: also, lets not forget. Shortly after the 1.9 update the orc buff was brought down from 5 dmg per hit, to 3
1340[16/08/2016 11:44:55] Chamo (Sean66): Especially with how varied they are between races in terms of functionality and etc.
1341[16/08/2016 11:44:59] HedgeHug: it was nerfed, still effective where needed, but less open to abuse
1342[16/08/2016 11:45:11] HedgeHug: an active would be something to look for
1343[16/08/2016 11:46:15] Chamo (Sean66): Like how long the Orcs have been bugged compared to other races, how horrid it is to be a contruct on new map to walk about, or how much a difference being a Necrolyte is on new map.
1344[16/08/2016 11:46:40] Chamo (Sean66): Just need so much fine tuning to be perfect imo, and even then they seem to deteriorate and bug out
1345[16/08/2016 11:46:54] kyle: the thing is with pvp racial buffs is the passiveness in all honesty, id compromise at an ability that can be used at certain times
1346[16/08/2016 11:47:01] kyle: that's skilful imo
1347[16/08/2016 11:47:12] HedgeHug: delf - speed
1348helf - a single strike that can have their magic penetration
1349welf - a single Arrow that does extra damage
1350orc - a single blow that cripples / slows
1351human - help please
1352kha - errr.... upon activation of active attack they force pk the slot and can't make a new Kha character
1353Olog - I like the current. Just a normal one with extra HP
1354Construct - help please
1355necrolyte - help please
1356[16/08/2016 11:47:39] kyle: hedgehog
1357[16/08/2016 11:47:48] kyle: the old olog did 2+ dmg
1358[16/08/2016 11:47:49] HedgeHug: I'm just shooting Ideas at this point
1359[16/08/2016 11:47:52] kyle: had more hp
1360[16/08/2016 11:47:54] kyle: had resistance
1361[16/08/2016 11:47:56] HedgeHug: the old one
1362[16/08/2016 11:48:01] kyle: what's the new 1
1363[16/08/2016 11:48:01] HedgeHug: the current one has 54 hp
1364[16/08/2016 11:48:02] HedgeHug: thtas it
1365[16/08/2016 11:48:05] kyle: o
1366[16/08/2016 11:48:25] HedgeHug: also if I missed any races, please add
1367[16/08/2016 11:48:33] HedgeHug: Also voice your opinions
1368[16/08/2016 11:48:42] Ricktatorship: Does the spectral effect have a time limit?
1369[16/08/2016 11:48:53] HedgeHug: oh hell... add spectre to that list
1370[16/08/2016 11:49:01] Ricktatorship: I think it'd be cool if welves got a free spectral arrow since they're suppose to do shit damage.
1371[16/08/2016 11:49:09 | Edited 11:49:08] Ricktatorship: Like literally make them tracers with absolutely little damager or something.
1372[16/08/2016 11:50:35] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Ologs should be a closed race that you can only play through an app tbh. Somehow people can't seem to RP them properly. It's either "d'aww cute retarded giant : 3" or some ugblug lets fight meme. There some exceptions of course. Not saying everyone's doing it.
1373HedgeHug
1374[16/08/2016 11:51:07] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: welves get better archery damage now ye?
1375[16/08/2016 11:51:14] HedgeHug: best way to keep track of opinions
1376[16/08/2016 11:51:20] HedgeHug: should I make this vote more public IE forums?
1377[16/08/2016 11:51:22] HedgeHug: and chats?
1378[16/08/2016 11:51:24] Chamo (Sean66): [16 August 2016 11:50] Jonas: 
1379
1380<<< Ologs should be a closed race that you can only play through an appEh, I wouldn't go that far.
1381[16/08/2016 11:52:53] Ricktatorship: oh you forgot the halflings!
1382[16/08/2016 11:53:16 | Edited 11:53:59] Ricktatorship: theirs should have something to do with the hunger bar
1383[16/08/2016 11:53:23] HedgeHug: Like I said
1384[16/08/2016 11:53:25] HedgeHug: Shooting Ideas
1385[16/08/2016 11:53:39] HedgeHug: I'd love an admin/coders view on this
1386[16/08/2016 12:02:39] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Humans are the best long distance runners in the world. How about extra stamina or something?
1387[16/08/2016 12:02:51] Smawton: Well.
1388[16/08/2016 12:02:54] Smawton: Not in LoTC.
1389[16/08/2016 12:03:29] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Sheeit son, our ancestors would chase mammoths off of cliffs and run after animals till they just layed down to die
1390[16/08/2016 12:03:38] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Well aren't they biologically the same though?
1391[16/08/2016 12:03:57] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: If so, they should be great endurance hunters here as well
1392[16/08/2016 12:04:29] Smawton: Perhaps, though Humans in LoTC are arguably less like hunter gatherers.
1393[16/08/2016 12:04:51] Shalashask: PVP buffs just get abused. Even non passive ones. The dev team is too amateur to balance them all properly.
1394[16/08/2016 12:05:08] HedgeHug: tbh, humans can chase down a horse across the realm in full plate
1395[16/08/2016 12:05:09] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: We stopped being hunter gatherers ten thousand years ago yet we're still pretty swift today !
1396[16/08/2016 12:05:10] HedgeHug: they're beasts
1397[16/08/2016 12:05:16] Harold: Matt - Today 10:13
1398> This feedback chat will be considered as nothing but a joke if swing timers are not removed.
1399
1400Matt - Today 10:13
1401> It'll be just another sideshow to tell the community
1402
1403It's being worked on. Change doesn't happen in a day, and the culture of change within the staff is hard to work with.
1404[16/08/2016 12:05:32] Ricktatorship: Make water necessary on the server < :
1405HedgeHug
1406[16/08/2016 12:05:37] Harold: Also, we've gone heavily off topic. You're covering topics were going to cover in a few days.
1407[16/08/2016 12:05:38] Ricktatorship: Make humans have to drink less water
1408[16/08/2016 12:05:42] Ricktatorship: < :
1409[16/08/2016 12:05:48] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Dude that'd honestly be pretty neat.
1410[16/08/2016 12:05:48] Smawton: Yeah, we have the greatest agility of any animal, probably. Our physical manoeuvrability has little comparison.
1411[16/08/2016 12:05:49] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: ngl
1412[16/08/2016 12:05:54] HedgeHug: more votes
1413[16/08/2016 12:05:55] Smawton: You don't outrun a beast, you run around it.
1414[16/08/2016 12:05:57] Jonas - Certified Pawn Stars Loremaster: Hydration would be a neat thing
1415[16/08/2016 12:06:12] Shalashask: If people don't want to fight an orc in roleplay then they can comply with your previous rp demands. Obviously there should be consequences for refusing you searching them
1416[16/08/2016 12:07:19] Shalashask: One racial will always be overpowered. Orcs had a really bad name for most of vailor because of how many people used them for bandit and warclaims alts
1417[16/08/2016 12:10:56] Harold: I will say one thing, we are having mini conversations over issues. That doesn't really give me much to work with later down the line. We can come back to the topics lads, we have awhile to work on these issues.
1418[16/08/2016 12:11:11] Harold: If we don't slow down, well be finished by next week and the documents will be a paragraph long.
1419[16/08/2016 12:11:44] Harold: Now, I'm here to make real change to the server, don't know about you lads bit I would wager the same.
1420[16/08/2016 12:11:52] Chamo (Sean66): I don't think there is anything wrong with charter system
1421[16/08/2016 12:11:55] Chamo (Sean66): Personally
1422[16/08/2016 12:12:25] Harold: Charter system may have been a limp topic to start on.
1423[16/08/2016 12:13:13] Ricktatorship: It just needs to be followed.
1424[16/08/2016 12:13:17] Harold: It still needs to be discussed, things where it could be improved. People are annoyed with sizes, people are unsure of the activity requirements.
1425[16/08/2016 12:13:26] Ricktatorship: I think shalashask posted something concerning a bit ago.
1426[16/08/2016 12:13:30] Harold: Yeah, I'd agree to that
1427[16/08/2016 12:13:33] Harold: And yeah I saw that
1428[16/08/2016 12:14:01 | Edited 12:13:59] Harold: I'm going to look into that, somebody shouldn't have full access to their tile.
1429[16/08/2016 12:14:29] Harold: That's just a big fuck you to the rest of the community who are following the rules.
1430[16/08/2016 12:14:40] Chamo (Sean66): [16 August 2016 12:14] Harold: 
1431
1432<<< That's just a big fuck you to the rest of the community who are following the rules.P. much this
1433[16/08/2016 12:15:01 | Edited 12:15:31] Chamo (Sean66): I would rather not a return of small GM favors, intentional or not, to groups and nations like the making of Sutica islands in Vailor
1434[16/08/2016 12:15:22] Chamo (Sean66): Just kinda spits all over certain parts of rules and the hoops other people had to go through.
1435[16/08/2016 12:15:54] Harold: I'm going to look into it and get it sorted
1436[16/08/2016 12:16:27] Harold: Nobody should have access to their tile
1437[16/08/2016 12:17:08] Harold: That's insane.
1438[16/08/2016 12:18:34] Harold: We should maybe come back to charters later, seems that the issue isn't as big yet as I thought. Eventually, once people start properly expanding and have more experience with the activity checks side of things, we can come back to it
1439[16/08/2016 12:18:43] Shalashask: If its for minor terraforms then eh
1440[16/08/2016 12:18:54] Shalashask: Kind of a piss take if its a wall or fort
1441[16/08/2016 12:19:11] HedgeHug: btw what's going to happen to the settlements that are curerntly unfinished?
1442[16/08/2016 12:19:14] HedgeHug: will they be given LC?
1443[16/08/2016 12:19:19] Shalashask: Everyone else has been sticking to their restrictions
1444[16/08/2016 12:19:22] Shalashask: I hope
1445[16/08/2016 12:19:49] HedgeHug: Haria is cucked, D'lands don't have their capital? and I also spotted the high elven settlements, both unfinished
1446[16/08/2016 12:20:04] Chamo (Sean66): Haria is screwed up in general
1447[16/08/2016 12:20:19] Chamo (Sean66): Their lands are just...