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1Louise says (12:24 PM):
2 You wanted to talk? <_<
3Maritan says (12:25 PM):
4 Yup, I got home early.
5Louise says (12:26 PM):
6 Cool.
7Maritan says (12:26 PM):
8 Do let's discuss this rationally and throw our views and opinions and make observation and analysis!
9 I'd post a rainbow emote
10 but I lost it in the reformat
11Louise says (12:26 PM):
12  ?
13Maritan says (12:26 PM):
14 Not that one
15 It's a more shiny one
16  
17Louise says (12:26 PM):
18 Ah.
19Louise says (12:27 PM):
20 Anyway, I've only got one reason for quitting, Mari. That's the setting. That's all.
21Maritan says (12:27 PM):
22 Okay, does this include dramarp?
23 This isn't a question of bias against, them
24Maritan says (12:28 PM):
25 I have a point with that question
26 As I always d
27 do*
28Louise says (12:28 PM):
29 I haven't been doing much there for a while. I've practically already quit that place, they just haven't realized it.
30Maritan says (12:28 PM):
31 I'm asking for a more full answer
32Louise says (12:28 PM):
33 And I've done so little there, I don't even need to formally resign.
34 Is my problem with that place the setting?
35Louise says (12:29 PM):
36 No. I don't like their setting that much at all, but at least they have a place for sci-fi characters, I... guess. They have a seperate cityfor things like that, I heard.
37Maritan says (12:29 PM):
38 Which from what I've seen is never used.
39 But okay, since I can't get a full answer
40 another question
41Maritan says (12:30 PM):
42 And don't just to assumptions either with these questions, cuzz if you've seen my convo with noko yesterday, you know where I stand
43 Does one setting really matter tsu? Is that where "all" of your interest lies? What are you expecting out of the rp tsu?
44Louise says (12:33 PM):
45 One setting? What are you... No. As I told you before, we need at least 4 settings. One that is futuristic. One where people like Predator, Klingons, Ceceillia and Shepard could really thrive. A modern setting that could serve for both people like the Yue or Tsukasa and also for people like Geo's Jin and such. A Fantasy for people like NIS characters and Touhous and such and then a mashup setting 
46 so that others wouldn't lose the things they've become accustomed to if they don't want to.
47 Not that it matters, because the community as shown that it doesn't want those things.
48Maritan says (12:34 PM):
49 Tsu, didn't I ask you not to jump to conclusions?
50Louise says (12:34 PM):
51 Then what did you mean>
52 *?
53Maritan says (12:34 PM):
54 Noko wanted a setting much like elysium, I was asking you if you wanted such a thing
55 I want a more clear opinion
56 that is all.
57Maritan says (12:35 PM):
58 Before I throw out my analysis of the situation and what I believe to be the problem.
59 I ask questions to analyse you
60 your views
61 your opinions
62 your emotions on things
63 then I tell you what I see of it all
64 from there well, that's up to you if you care to listen or not
65Louise says (12:36 PM):
66 Noko wants the same things I do. Not just another setting like Elysium. I've talked to him more than anyone would ever need to, about the settings and we're pretty much on the same page. We both want an rp which fits various genres with settings that fit them respectively.
67Maritan says (12:36 PM):
68 But then everyone gets everything they want
69 Nis sticks to wars, their jokes, their theme
70 Just like the game
71Maritan says (12:37 PM):
72 same for everyone else.
73 This is as I see it currently.
74 So more explaining if I see this wrong is in order
75Louise says (12:37 PM):
76 Yeah, well only kind of. Lemme explain it this way.
77Louise says (12:39 PM):
78 I want to be able to intro Taiga in a setting that's at least the same genre that she's from. At least the same general type of setting. And that goes for others. Tsukasa comes from the same general type of world. A very normal one that's modern. I want to be able to intro a Mass Effect character in a setting that's at least their genre.
79 They won't develop exactly how they did in their canon.
80 Of course not. Just because the setting is the same genre they fit into doesn't mean things are the same.
81 So it isn't like suddenly no one will develop or something.
82Louise says (12:41 PM):
83 I want my characters to develop but I want them to develop in a setting that fits them.
84 Not have to fit them into a setting that's completely unrelated to them.
85Maritan says (12:42 PM):
86 But that's not how a mass crossover world is supposed to work to begin with... I understand your opinion tsukasa, it's a matter of using your characters to what you find to be their ultimate potential, in the fields they should be in.
87 Now, I'm going to ask this tsukasa
88 do you talk to anyone else but noko about plot ideas? Do you try to gather people and talk to them about things?
89Louise says (12:43 PM):
90 No, I don't.
91Maritan says (12:43 PM):
92 This is my view on things
93Louise says (12:43 PM):
94 Marisa.
95 I guess.
96 We have a murder mystery thing.
97Maritan says (12:43 PM):
98 People are TOO narrow minded alone
99 That includes myself.
100 doesn't matter how much imagination I have
101 I need to discuss my ideas with others
102 you see
103Maritan says (12:44 PM):
104 where we reach a dead end, others can see something we cannot and gives us our solution
105 So allow me to give you a solution to mass effect
106 Space station, space exploration to better map out the universe in the future.
107 create relays
108 this is an example
109Maritan says (12:45 PM):
110 There are many more possibilities where "you" have the power to shape the universe to your will.
111 Now, as for tsukasa.
112 You want a modern city
113 You'd like them to live normal lives, right?
114Louise says (12:46 PM):
115 Not entirely. I'm not saying that Tsukasa or someone would never leave that region. I'm not suggesting that. And also, I'm not implying that someone from MAss Effect has to live in space either. Just having a generally futuristic setting free of  MAGIC  and such would provide more than a good enough setting.
116Louise says (12:47 PM):
117 THat means not being run by Dwarves :V
118Maritan says (12:49 PM):
119 Now, here's another question.
120 Were you having any fun at all before?
121 Or did you fake it all
122 and hated every moment of posting.
123Louise says (12:49 PM):
124 Of course not.
125 I Had plenty of fun.
126Maritan says (12:49 PM):
127 So then you had fun.
128Louise says (12:49 PM):
129 Yeah.
130Maritan says (12:49 PM):
131 Then why are you quitting?
132Louise says (12:50 PM):
133 But after posting in a more concentrated, specific setting like Elysium, I can't go back to our mediocre setting where everything has to try to fit in as best as it can.
134Maritan says (12:50 PM):
135 Are you sure that's absolutely it tsu? You're still having fun, aren't you?
136Louise says (12:51 PM):
137 Not the same way. It's just bitter now. I post fishes and stuff because I hope that I'll get something interesting. It's not like every session I have is shit, that's true, but I'm not going to settle for something that I just don't like that much.
138Maritan says (12:53 PM):
139 But that is simply because you are not using the universe to it's fullest potential.
140 Okay, give me a quick moment.
141Maritan says (12:58 PM):
142 Since my msn crashed I guess I don't got it. Oh well.
143 Anyway basically, we've been doing a plot for a few months now with our OCs
144Maritan says (12:59 PM):
145 Getting others involved, getting out characters personally involved with others.
146 We've been pulling twists and character development that we've been wanting to pull for a while. People's backgrounds are starting to open up
147 kaz has been going nuts about it for a while and so have others.
148 What I'm saying tsu, is that it's a matter of imagination.
149Maritan says (1:00 PM):
150 Your fun is guaged on how much you rp with others and how often you talk with others
151 for example, that plot with alice and reimu is something me and noko worked on a lot and talked to each other a lot.
152 When noko had problems with elys, I helped him out to find solutions, like when geo was being geo.
153Maritan says (1:01 PM):
154 You've given me the answer earlier that you don't talk to many people at all.
155 for plots and such, cept marisa
156 This is where I think the true problem lies at.
157 You've also told me before that you did better with a small chat like on msn
158 like elys
159 right?
160Maritan says (1:02 PM):
161 There weren't that many, it wasn't intimidating, you could talk to people
162 you could plan with people
163 That was during the peak of your enjoyment of this place, right?
164Louise says (1:04 PM):
165 Yeah, it was. That would help a lot, Mari. But this community doesn't share my opinions or ideals. So there isn't any point in it. It's pretty clear from that /de/ thread. And like I said, I do enjoy some things. I'm not saying I don't, but this setting just isn't what I'm looking for. ANd there's no chance of making any specific setting anymore, because people hate the idea now. Here's the thing.
166Louise says (1:05 PM):
167 They're afraid people will split up. And I think that was the problem with Elysium, aside from people spreading rumors that made things worse. But this would be different. Everyone would have characters from several settings, so they wouldn't become attached to just one and would continue to be as involved as they have been.
168Maritan says (1:05 PM):
169 No, that's not what they're afraid of. Not all of them anyway. john being one of those people who are.
170 I'll tell you what I see when I see this, okay?
171Maritan says (1:06 PM):
172 Multiple settings lead to multiple characters spreading out. It leaves characters to want to stay there, unless you're really the explore the world type, why would you want to leave your specific setting when you don't have to?
173Maritan says (1:07 PM):
174 When you consider it tsukasa, we human beings don't leave on big trips very often in our lives
175 why would we? We have an established life here.
176 We go to see other places for just a little something fresh, but we never stay, even if we had the choice, which some do mind you, but it's common sense for most people.
177Maritan says (1:08 PM):
178 Settings to fit everyone, leaves people to stay where they are, to stay in their setting where they are comfortable and think they should remain
179 this cuts massive ammounts of interactions with others, it cuts possibilities and many other things.
180Maritan says (1:09 PM):
181 This is my view into it. I don't mind something like elys, but too many different settings is in my view bad.
182 For example
183 look at dramachan
184 they try to accomodate for everyone
185 they try to make sure everyone gets whatever they want.
186 hell even villains are given what they want as long as it's not some major villain
187Maritan says (1:10 PM):
188 Bunz is bored to tears
189 and I'm sure you've noticed it too.
190 This is what I view when I view too many settings
191 Also, you said you had a lot of fun when you had a lot of people, then don't you think that is what you should focus on?
192Maritan says (1:11 PM):
193 If being with people, rping with friends, and planning stuff and having fun.
194 why would you leave if that's one of the big problems stopping you from having fun?
195 Like when you play a game  
196 single player is only fun for so long
197 which is why there's a multiplayer or online gameplay
198Maritan says (1:12 PM):
199 that is what adds much more fun
200 to play with friends  
201 Am I wrong?
202Louise says (1:15 PM):
203 No, not about that. But listen. Drama does try that, but it isn't the same. It doesn't work for many reasons.
2041. They don't have the community to support it.
2052. Their different setting don't cater to genres or anything
2063. They have a sci-fi board but it's separate from their other canon
207It's different in lots of ways. And, while you're right that people might end up staying in their regions...
208 Provided that we agree on 15-20 people, that isn't a problem.
209Louise says (1:16 PM):
210 Besides, any region that doesn't have neough people in it would die out and everyone would just go elsewhere.
211Louise says (1:17 PM):
212 Beyond that, I'm not saying we should have a bunch of way too specific setting either. I'm saying that we should have 4. Total. That means each region would have pleeeenty of room to even have multiple geographic areas and such too.
213Maritan says (1:19 PM):
214 The scifi thing like I said, that can be put in, but I'd rather the work is put in for it to happen
215 it has more meaning, more value
216 in my opinion
217Maritan says (1:20 PM):
218 What other kinds of settings are you looking for, let me see if I can't give you ideas to bring them to life
219 However, again, I want you to know, if this fails horribly, it's mostly for the above mentioned reasons and you also said that if something died, people would move on to another.
220Louise says (1:22 PM):
221 Yeah. Well, we're already working on the fantasy one, so aside from Sci-fi, I'd like a modern setting. It doesn't matter, though. LIke I said, no one else seems to like the ideas.
222Maritan says (1:22 PM):
223 People think it's because each setting is going to be closed off.
224 look at that thread
225 seriously
226 tell me if you or them are being rational
227Louise says (1:23 PM):
228 So you're saying that they don't understand the concept well enough. Right?
229Maritan says (1:24 PM):
230 People are jumping to conclusions, you're coming off too agressively and too quickly about it.
231 that is one rational point that was indeed made in that thread
232 besides that, everyone jumped in agressive inr esponse
233 and that ain't right either
234 which caused frustration and to make you possibly feel backed into a corner
235 not a very smart move from the people.
236Maritan says (1:25 PM):
237 but people get like this, this happens and it's normal.
238Louise says (1:26 PM):
239 That's true, but I have a reason for being so pushy. I've known for a while that if we don't get regions, I'm not going to stay. I'm just trying to fight for my place here.
240 Anyway, I feel like they all posted because someone "Rallied the troops."
241 They all posted in succession right after Kana and Jett objected *again*.
242Maritan says (1:27 PM):
243 You'd think that and so did I, but abel and the others were talking about being surprised that people suddenly even showed up in there.
244 for example
245 kaz and styx were out of nowhere
246 which surprised them the most
247 However it could still be the case for some people
248Maritan says (1:28 PM):
249 Because others could have told othrs about the thread
250 and again tsu, I know how you feel, but I'm going to say this again.
251 If you had fun because of playing with other people, regardless of setting.
252 Why would you quit because you can't get multi settings?
253Maritan says (1:29 PM):
254 I understand exactly what you're trying to push for
255 I do, but it seems like you're throwing fun away, because one ASPECT of it is not there.
256 like asking for a game to have absolutely every element you wish to be there otherwise you won't touch it.
257Maritan says (1:30 PM):
258 This is why I say your agressive approach comes off as bad, and makes you look like it's your way or the highway
259 I'm trying to be rational, I'm trying to get you to see my point of view for a bit.
260 RP is supposed to be about fun with friends, it's a community, but most of all, it should be a community of friends.
261 except for a few exceptions of course
262 we can't get along with everyone
263Maritan says (1:31 PM):
264 This is why I am again asking you to try out the friends aspect of the rp
265Louise says (1:32 PM):
266 The setting is very important to me. The reason is because I know how things work. I can't play someone like... Elise in the normal setting, for example. I could play her in a futuristic or modern setting, but somewhere like Vaula, she would just be picked up by superpowered being A and threatened to stop being so bitchy or something like that. I know that I can't do things like that. I can't play
267Louise says (1:33 PM):
268 a Taiga that doesn't have to worry about super-powered shit everywhere. I'll consider what you said, but I'd like your help in making this happen. If we can create even just a sci-fi/modern setting, I think I can be happy with that.
269Louise says (1:34 PM):
270 Super-powered magic*
271Maritan says (1:35 PM):
272 You know, that's not always gonna happen, that's an overexageration that people will smack them around for being bitchy.
273 Alice has stayed bitchy for quite a while and only had massive develpment when ingrid sent that letter
274 I can help you make it however
275 but it needs to be built up the right way
276Maritan says (1:36 PM):
277 I don't mind multiple settings
278 just as long as it builds up.
279 I like the whole ordeal of things you know?
280 progression and hardship
281 work and rebuilding
282Louise says (1:36 PM):
283 I don't mind that either.
284Maritan says (1:36 PM):
285 We start off with no tech for a while and we build up
286Louise says (1:37 PM):
287 I'm willing to work to make it happen, because people decided to start in a fantasy setting, so it was fair. That's what more people are interested in.
288Louise says (1:38 PM):
289 *a fair decision
290Louise says (1:39 PM):
291 Anyway, I'd like to make it clear though, that for a setting like that to work, we would have to at least make magic in the area significantly weaker, or it would become lighthalzen. Does that sound alright? I'm not saying all magic should not work there or something, and we can even ICly make whatever means to make that happen too, if you'd like. Is that reasonable?
292Maritan says (1:40 PM):
293 Have humans build machines to weaken magic, I think that would be a good idea, since if for example the city would be in space, or some region
294 magic needs to be limited within the area
295 Drama had the right idea with their shit, but not the right implementation however
296Louise says (1:41 PM):
297 Yeah. Good. I'm glad this has a chance to work out, then.