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· 6 years ago · May 08, 2019, 05:32 PM
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3-(CHEERING)
4-ANNOUNCER: As she came here
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8to Boston to compete
9in the Olympic Trials,
10
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13she did so on a bad right leg.
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21-GYMNAST: It's bad. (SOBS)
22-TRAINER: Okay.
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27-TRAINER: All right.
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31(SOBS)
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35LARRY NASSAR: You okay?
36It's that knee?
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40-TRAINER: That's okay.
41-NASSAR: Um, no. Debbie--
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45We're gonna get her
46into the back room.
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50-Okay?
51-GYMNAST: No, no.
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55MAN: No, no, no.
56GYMNAST: No.
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60NASSAR: Hold on.
61They're going to start
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65-getting her to the--
66-MAN 2: Stand up for us.
67-GYMNAST: Yeah.
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71NASSAR: Yep. Okay.
72Got here there? And up.
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76-MAN: Are you okay? Okay?
77-(AUDIENCE CHEERS)
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81-ANNOUNCER: This is gutsy stuff.
82-(AUDIENCE CHEERING FADES)
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86NASSAR: (VOICE RECORDING)
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90â™ª (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) â™ª
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94USA Gymnastics,
95
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98the number one team
99in the world.
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103(CROWD CHEERING)
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107LYNDSY GAMET: There's
108a whole institution of people
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112who knew through these years.
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116ANNOUNCER:
117Get the gold medals ready!
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121(CHEERING)
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125ISABELL HUTCHINS: I don't know
126how anyone couldn't have known.
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130(CHEERING)
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134KYM WILLIAMS: Who goes
135to their doctor's basement?
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139ANNOUNCER 2:
140There's a lot on the line.
141
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144DOMINIQUE MOCEANU: Why on Earth
145did they not report him then?
146
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149REBECCA DAVIS O'BRIEN:
150You know, there are many
151missed opportunities.
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155MARCI HAMILTON: They knew
156they needed a better system,
157
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160and they sat on their hands.
161
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164CHRISTINE BRENNAN: This is
165probably the darkest stain
166
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169in U.S. Olympic history.
170
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173-Wow.
174-You're strong. You're strong.
175
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178What have you done?
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182â™ª (MUSIC CONTINUES) â™ª
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186(MOVIE PROJECTOR WHIRS)
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190TRINEA GONCZAR: Gymnastics is
191kind of an interesting sport.
192
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195You either are
196or you aren't one.
197
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200You know, they'll tell you
201right away if you're--
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205if you're going to go
206to the next level.
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210They can see it in you, the way
211you jump, the way you move.
212
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215I just always was one.
216
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219KATHY JOHNSON: I was perfectly
220suited for gymnastics.
221
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224I was tiny, strong, fearless,
225loved flying,
226
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229loved-- little daredevil.
230
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233It's... the most amazing feeling
234to be able to propel your body
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238through the air
239and flip around and stick it.
240
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243It is flying.
244
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247The feeling of having power,
248that's, like,
249
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252a lot of people don't talk about
253
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256is, like, the flying thing
257comes after the power
258
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261and feeling that, like,
262command over your body
263
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266and doing stuff
267that regular people can't do.
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271ANNOUNCER 3: Now watch this.
272Watch this.
273
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276Back sommy right
277to the other bar.
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281ANNOUNCER 4: Has that
282been done before by a girl?
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286ANNOUNCER 3: Never! Never, not
287by any human that I know of.
288
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291MIKE JACKI: Olga in '72,
292the American public,
293
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296they were flabbergasted
297by what she was able to do.
298
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301They were enamored by it.
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305â™ª (CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS) â™ª
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309ANNOUNCER 3:
310Isn't that something?
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314I think the American culture
315is infatuated with gymnastics
316
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319because every four years,
320you see these little, strong,
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324wonderful, talented,
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328amazing athletes pop out
329on the big stage.
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333(CHEERING)
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337JULIET MACUR: I don't think
338that any other Olympic sport
339
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342in the summertime really gets
343as many viewers,
344
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347just because it has everything.
348
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351It has the beauty,
352it has the power,
353
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356and the music,
357and the drama of it.
358
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361-(CHEERING)
362-ANNOUNCER 5:
363And what a champion!
364
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367Absolutely superb performance.
368
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371ANNOUNCER 6: Faultless.
372Absolutely faultless.
373
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376(CHEERING)
377
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380A 10 has gone on the board.
381That's perfection,
382
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385and that is Olympic history
386for Nadia Comaneci.
387
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390MOCEANU:
391Wanting that Olympic dream,
392
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395wanting to be the best
396in the world,
397
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400you go and you train so hard
401day in and day out.
402
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405No matter how bad people
406are treating you,
407
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410you go back for more. You know?
411You go back for more
412
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415because you want that dream.
416
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419It's--
420it's burning inside of you.
421
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424GONCZAR: Elite Olympic gymnasts
425are typically, like, 15, 16,
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429seventeen years old,
430the peak of their sport.
431
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434So, you have to start young
435to get good
436
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439to be still young
440and be the best.
441
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444MACUR: I think that
445a lot of people think it's easy
446
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449because they're so cute
450
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453and they're so bouncy
454and smiley.
455
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458But really, I don't think
459there's a sport that's harder
460
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463in terms of the age
464where they expect to excel
465
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468and the demands that
469the coaches put on them.
470
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473I think it's mentally difficult
474
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477and one of the most
478physically demanding sports.
479
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482DAWN HOMER:
483You're going to get hurt,
484
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487and you're not going
488to complain.
489
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492It did not matter what happened
493to you. You were not to cry.
494
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497There were things like
498when they would be racked.
499
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502Racking is just like a torture
503to these girls.
504
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507It's trying to force them down
508into splits,
509
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512and you've got such
513adult pressure being put
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517on these little girls,
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521And they are not to cry.
522They are not to yell out.
523
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526But yet, you know
527they're in so much pain,
528
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531but they just do it
532without complaint.
533
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536This is the tricky part
537about our sport.
538
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541To be great...
542
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545takes so much energy, focus,
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549intense training...
550training through fatigue,
551
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554sometimes injury,
555as long as it's...
556
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559not an injury that's going to
560be dangerous or debilitating.
561
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564But sometimes things are--
565everything hurts.
566
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569That's-- that's the whole thing
570about being a great gymnast.
571
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574It's almost like being
575a wounded animal.
576
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579You don't show your weakness.
580You don't show that you're hurt.
581
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584COACH: Same position.
585
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588Ah.
589
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592JESSICA O'BEIRNE: Gymnastics
593is not a sport with a lot of...
594
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597back and forth communication.
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601It's a lot of... soldier,
602learning how to be a soldier.
603
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606O'BRIEN: These women
607have to perform
608
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611so that USA Gymnastics brings
612in sponsorships
613
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616so that US Olympic Committee
617can be proud of them
618
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621and trot them out
622every four years for all of us
623
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626to watch
627so that NBC viewers can--
628
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631you know it's a money machine.
632And at the heart of it
633
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636are teenage girls
637and their bodies.
638
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641It seems like a... arrangement
642that's bound to create abuse.
643
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646The former team doctor
647for USA Gymnastics
648
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651for twenty years
652is facing dozens of accusations
653
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656of sexual abuse including one
657from a former Olympian.
658
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661REPORTER: One of the women
662has filed a criminal complaint
663
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666against Nassar
667with Michigan police.
668
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671The other has filed a lawsuit
672in California.
673
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676Former Michigan State University
677and Team USA Gymnastics doctor,
678
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681Larry Nassar, has been arrested.
682
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685O'BEIRNE: When I first heard
686about Nassar,
687
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690I was completely shocked,
691
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694and then I totally
695wasn't shocked at all
696
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699because he's in exactly
700the position
701
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704to get away with this.
705
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708Like, if you were
709a child predator,
710
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713you would become him.
714It's so perfect.
715
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718MACUR: Larry Nassar was a doctor
719for USA Gymnastics
720
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723for more than twenty years.
724
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727He had worked
728with Michigan State
729
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732for just as long.
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736SCOTT REID: He was a physician
737at Michigan State University,
738
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741and then he would be called
742into camps,
743
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746these periodic--
747these monthly camps
748
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751for the women's national team.
752
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755And then World Championships,
756major international
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760national team events,
761he'd be right there.
762
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765MACUR: His contract
766with Michigan State said
767
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770you have to also do outreach
771in the community.
772
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775So, he also worked
776with high schools
777
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780and local gyms.
781
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784So, literally, he had his hands
785on hundreds of children
786
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789every year for many years.
790
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793HOMER: When Trinea
794became a level five,
795
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798we were all invited
799to a big meeting.
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803And in the meeting, they said,
804"100 percent
805
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808of your children
809will be injured."
810
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813And then I remember
814being introduced
815
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818to Larry as a trainer.
819
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822And I thought, "Oh good,
823there's a safety net.
824
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827If they get injured,
828there's a trainer."
829
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832I felt we were lucky
833to have Larry.
834
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837He was seen as...
838
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841like the guardian angel
842of the gymnasts.
843
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846He was all about, you know,
847protecting the athletes.
848
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851And that's not something we
852often hear in the elite space.
853
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856NASSAR: (RECORDING)
857Not just physically,
858
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861but mentally, you have
862to protect your athletes.
863
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866You have to let them know
867that we care. You have to--
868
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871not let them know,
872but let them feel it,
873
874184
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876let them understand it,
877let them breathe it.
878
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881It's-- it's there. You know?
882
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885It's not just
886a pat on the back.
887
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890You know what I mean? It has
891to be sincere that we care.
892
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895Larry Nassar was the good guy
896in this whole web of people
897
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900you have to deal with--
901with gymnastics.
902
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905How could a gymnast not say,
906"Wow, this guy's so nice to me?
907
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910Everybody else is so mean.
911They want me to--
912
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915to do an extra routine,
916or my leg hurts
917
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920and they want me
921to keep running or something."
922
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925He was brilliant at fooling
926these girls into trusting him.
927
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930And... and I don't know
931how he got
932
933196
93400:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,542
935the KÃ¡rolyis
936to turn their backs,
937
938197
93900:10:08,625 --> 00:10:10,417
940or maybe he did it
941behind their back.
942
943198
94400:10:10,500 --> 00:10:12,750
945I'm not sure how much
946the KÃ¡rolyis knew.
947
948199
94900:10:12,834 --> 00:10:16,166
950I don't know for sure
951if they knew about him.
952
953200
95400:10:16,250 --> 00:10:20,333
955Did they know that he was alone
956with gymnasts? Yes.
957
958201
95900:10:20,417 --> 00:10:22,583
960Should they have known
961that was against a policy,
962
963202
96400:10:22,667 --> 00:10:24,667
965that there were policies
966and procedures in place
967
968203
96900:10:24,750 --> 00:10:26,500
970and he was violating them?
971Yes.
972
973204
97400:10:27,667 --> 00:10:29,375
975Did they care?
976No.
977
978205
97900:10:29,458 --> 00:10:32,125
980That gold medal
981gymnastics coach, BÃ©la KÃ¡rolyi,
982
983206
98400:10:32,208 --> 00:10:34,375
985has yet another winner
986on his hands.
987
988207
98900:10:34,458 --> 00:10:36,875
990REPORTER 2: BÃ©la KÃ¡rolyi
991is the gymnastics coach
992
993208
99400:10:36,959 --> 00:10:38,792
995who brought Nadia Comaneci
996and Mary Lou Retton
997
998209
99900:10:38,875 --> 00:10:40,041
1000to Olympic fame.
1001
1002210
100300:10:40,125 --> 00:10:42,125
1004I'm not concerning
1005about anything else
1006
1007211
100800:10:42,208 --> 00:10:44,125
1009than to be the winner, to win.
1010
1011212
101200:10:44,208 --> 00:10:46,417
1013And I love to win. (LAUGHS)
1014That's the truth.
1015
1016213
101700:10:46,500 --> 00:10:51,041
1018Stronger, stronger, stronger,
1019stronger. Round it. In. There.
1020
1021214
102200:10:51,125 --> 00:10:54,375
1023(BÃ‰LA KÃROLYI
1024INSTRUCTING INDISTINCTLY)
1025
1026215
102700:10:55,750 --> 00:10:59,291
1028Hit it. And up.
1029That's not good.
1030
1031216
103200:10:59,375 --> 00:11:00,959
1033You're not doing
1034the right thing.
1035
1036217
103700:11:01,041 --> 00:11:04,208
1038Hold that. (CONTINUES
1039INSTRUCTIONS IN ROMANIAN)
1040
1041218
104200:11:08,834 --> 00:11:11,333
1043MACUR: BÃ©la and MÃ¡rta KÃ¡rolyi
1044are the most famous coaches
1045
1046219
104700:11:11,417 --> 00:11:13,000
1048in gymnastics history.
1049
1050220
105100:11:13,083 --> 00:11:15,041
1052REID:
1053BÃ©la KÃ¡rolyi was the architect
1054
1055221
105600:11:15,125 --> 00:11:16,500
1057of the Romanian dynasty.
1058
1059222
106000:11:16,583 --> 00:11:18,917
1061In the late '70s,
1062BÃ©la comes around
1063
1064223
106500:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,166
1066with Nadia Comaneci and others
1067and becomes
1068
1069224
107000:11:21,250 --> 00:11:24,625
1071the premiere global superpower
1072in gymnastics.
1073
1074225
107500:11:26,834 --> 00:11:31,250
1076At the time, the gymnasts were
1077mostly over 20 years old.
1078
1079226
108000:11:31,333 --> 00:11:34,125
1081It was really a women's sport.
1082
1083227
108400:11:34,208 --> 00:11:37,542
1085GEZA POZSAR: BÃ©la and MÃ¡rta
1086changed the concept
1087
1088228
108900:11:37,625 --> 00:11:41,875
1090of gymnastics
1091to train very young children,
1092
1093229
109400:11:41,959 --> 00:11:45,458
1095very intensive training
1096from six years old.
1097
1098230
109900:11:45,542 --> 00:11:48,625
1100MOCEANU: He had this philosophy.
1101Do enough repetition,
1102
1103231
110400:11:48,709 --> 00:11:51,417
1105and you stay prepubescent
1106and you don't gain weight,
1107
1108232
110900:11:51,500 --> 00:11:53,583
1110you're going to get
1111those girls to hit.
1112
1113233
111400:11:53,667 --> 00:11:56,750
1115â™ª (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) â™ª
1116
1117234
111800:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,417
1119REID: These monthly camps
1120at the KÃ¡rolyi Ranch in Texas
1121
1122235
112300:12:09,500 --> 00:12:12,333
1124were a huge factor
1125in creating this culture
1126
1127236
112800:12:12,417 --> 00:12:14,166
1129that created Larry Nassar.
1130
1131237
113200:12:16,375 --> 00:12:19,041
1133So, the KÃ¡rolyi Ranch
1134is located
1135
1136238
113700:12:19,125 --> 00:12:22,208
1138near this little town called
1139New Waverly, Texas,
1140
1141239
114200:12:22,291 --> 00:12:24,250
1143like a filling station,
1144as they call them in Texas,
1145
1146240
114700:12:24,333 --> 00:12:26,667
1148and I think-- I don't even know
1149if they have a stoplight.
1150
1151241
115200:12:26,750 --> 00:12:29,834
1153You get off the freeway
1154and then you-- you're actually
1155
1156242
115700:12:29,917 --> 00:12:32,083
1158in the Sam Houston
1159National Forest,
1160
1161243
116200:12:32,166 --> 00:12:34,083
1163and you're going down
1164this red dirt road
1165
1166244
116700:12:34,166 --> 00:12:35,542
1168deeper and deeper
1169into this forest.
1170
1171245
117200:12:35,625 --> 00:12:37,458
1173It's like straight out
1174of a movie.
1175
1176246
117700:12:37,542 --> 00:12:40,333
1178And you finally come upon
1179this compound of a gym
1180
1181247
118200:12:40,417 --> 00:12:42,417
1183and a couple-- a house,
1184and like a dorm.
1185
1186248
118700:12:42,500 --> 00:12:44,625
1188There's snakes everywhere,
1189and bugs,
1190
1191249
119200:12:44,709 --> 00:12:46,291
1193and it's hotter than hell.
1194
1195250
119600:12:46,375 --> 00:12:49,667
1197And it's just
1198this Texan nightmare.
1199
1200251
120100:12:49,750 --> 00:12:52,500
1202O'BEIRNE:
1203The way that the KÃ¡rolyis
1204implemented the system was,
1205
1206252
120700:12:52,583 --> 00:12:54,333
1208"We don't want you
1209to lose focus.
1210
1211253
121200:12:54,417 --> 00:12:56,750
1213We want you 100 percent focused
1214on gymnastics.
1215
1216254
121700:12:56,834 --> 00:12:59,083
1218Bond with your team.
1219That's it."
1220
1221255
122200:12:59,166 --> 00:13:01,417
1223JACKI: No phones, no internet...
1224
1225256
122600:13:01,500 --> 00:13:03,834
1227Very controlled.
1228They had things that
1229
1230257
123100:13:03,917 --> 00:13:05,667
1232were written to the athletes
1233that said
1234
1235258
123600:13:05,750 --> 00:13:07,417
1237while you were at the ranch,
1238
1239259
124000:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,250
1241you could not go
1242to your personal coach.
1243
1244260
124500:13:10,333 --> 00:13:11,625
1246Or your parents.
1247
1248261
124900:13:13,375 --> 00:13:14,750
1250Now, is that a little bit weird?
1251
1252262
125300:13:14,834 --> 00:13:17,041
1254You say to somebody,
1255"You can't go to your parents?"
1256
1257263
125800:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,792
1259REID: One of the main themes
1260about the KÃ¡rolyi philosophy
1261
1262264
126300:13:21,875 --> 00:13:24,041
1264is athletic Darwinism.
1265
1266265
126700:13:24,125 --> 00:13:26,458
1268There are so many kids
1269out there,
1270
1271266
127200:13:26,542 --> 00:13:28,083
1273the U.S. is so deep now,
1274
1275267
127600:13:28,166 --> 00:13:30,625
1277that if you can't hold up
1278physically,
1279
1280268
128100:13:30,709 --> 00:13:32,750
1282or if you can't handle it
1283mentally,
1284
1285269
128600:13:32,834 --> 00:13:34,917
1287well, there's somebody dying
1288to get in here
1289
1290270
129100:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,542
1292who will pay the price.
1293
1294271
129500:13:36,625 --> 00:13:40,125
1296So, they knew they could push
1297these kids hard, hard, hard.
1298
1299272
130000:13:40,208 --> 00:13:43,542
1301This kind of, like, brutal,
1302"Do a lot of numbers,
1303
1304273
130500:13:43,625 --> 00:13:45,375
1306as many numbers as possible
1307till you do it,
1308
1309274
131000:13:45,458 --> 00:13:47,125
1311doesn't matter if you're falling
1312flat on your back
1313
1314275
131500:13:47,208 --> 00:13:49,083
1316five, ten, fifteen,
1317twenty times.
1318
1319276
132000:13:49,166 --> 00:13:50,709
1321Doesn't matter
1322if you're injured.
1323
1324277
132500:13:50,792 --> 00:13:53,625
1326You-- you better not speak up,"
1327was the whole mentality
1328
1329278
133000:13:53,709 --> 00:13:55,583
1331in the environment.
1332You'd better not or else
1333
1334279
133500:13:55,667 --> 00:13:58,000
1336we're going to take
1337your Olympic dream away.
1338
1339280
134000:13:58,083 --> 00:14:01,000
1341REID: You're beat up. You have
1342coaches screaming at you,
1343
1344281
134500:14:01,083 --> 00:14:02,792
1346bullying you into doing stuff
1347that you're not
1348
1349282
135000:14:02,875 --> 00:14:05,208
1351either ready to do
1352or you're too tired to do.
1353
1354283
135500:14:05,291 --> 00:14:07,041
1356So, you're put
1357in dangerous situations.
1358
1359284
136000:14:07,125 --> 00:14:09,333
1361Nassar was the guy--
1362he was the positive guy.
1363
1364285
136500:14:09,417 --> 00:14:11,500
1366He's the guy who snuck
1367them food, gave them candy,
1368
1369286
137000:14:11,583 --> 00:14:12,834
1371let them borrow a cell phone.
1372
1373287
137400:14:12,917 --> 00:14:14,667
1375I mean, you talk
1376to all these women
1377
1378288
137900:14:14,750 --> 00:14:16,333
1380who were on the national team
1381who were abused by him,
1382
1383289
138400:14:16,417 --> 00:14:18,000
1385they said, "You know,
1386he was our friend.
1387
1388290
138900:14:18,083 --> 00:14:20,250
1390If Larry's doing this,
1391it must be okay because he--
1392
1393291
139400:14:20,333 --> 00:14:23,000
1395he's our friend. He's, like,
1396the one guy we trusted.
1397
1398292
139900:14:23,083 --> 00:14:25,834
1400INTERVIEWER: What was
1401your impression of Larry Nassar?
1402
1403293
140400:14:25,917 --> 00:14:29,500
1405Well, was a great guy.
1406I mean,
1407
1408294
140900:14:29,583 --> 00:14:32,000
1410I ask him to help my gymnasts
1411from my gym.
1412
1413295
141400:14:32,083 --> 00:14:35,125
1415I called him at nighttime
1416and next day, he helped me,
1417
1418296
141900:14:35,208 --> 00:14:40,417
1420uh, send me the X-ray. You know?
1421He didn't ask for any payment.
1422
1423297
142400:14:40,500 --> 00:14:42,083
1425When you're around sports
1426for a long time,
1427
1428298
142900:14:42,166 --> 00:14:43,709
1430you see team doctors, and...
1431
1432299
143300:14:43,792 --> 00:14:46,375
1434Nassar always kinda struck me
1435as a little bit different
1436
1437300
143800:14:46,458 --> 00:14:48,875
1439from guys in that position
1440in other sports.
1441
1442301
144300:14:48,959 --> 00:14:52,709
1444He kinda seemed
1445not quite up to speed.
1446
1447302
144800:14:52,792 --> 00:14:55,709
1449He's kind of a dopey guy
1450along for the ride.
1451
1452303
145300:14:55,792 --> 00:14:58,709
1454The thing about USA Gymnastics,
1455for all their global success,
1456
1457304
145800:14:58,792 --> 00:15:00,709
1459it's kind of
1460a small-time operation.
1461
1462305
146300:15:00,792 --> 00:15:03,875
1464The people there are there
1465because the KÃ¡rolyis' blessing
1466
1467306
146800:15:03,959 --> 00:15:06,125
1469that they're not gonna
1470rock the boat.
1471
1472307
147300:15:07,208 --> 00:15:08,917
1474MOCEANU:
1475MÃ¡rta liked that Nassar
1476
1477308
147800:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,375
1479would toe the company line.
1480
1481309
148200:15:10,458 --> 00:15:12,208
1483He would tell them exactly
1484what they want to hear.
1485
1486310
148700:15:12,291 --> 00:15:14,041
1488There were girls
1489that got injured, and...
1490
1491311
149200:15:14,125 --> 00:15:17,125
1493you wanna get a gymnast back?
1494Sure, we can get her back.
1495
1496312
149700:15:17,208 --> 00:15:19,375
1498He would just kind of
1499play the game
1500
1501313
150200:15:19,458 --> 00:15:22,208
1503because he wanted the access.
1504
1505314
150600:15:22,291 --> 00:15:25,041
1507He had access to these kids
1508pretty much around the clock.
1509
1510315
151100:15:25,125 --> 00:15:26,625
1512He was doing this all kinds
1513of places,
1514
1515316
151600:15:26,709 --> 00:15:28,333
1517in dorm rooms
1518at the KÃ¡rolyi Ranch,
1519
1520317
152100:15:28,417 --> 00:15:30,709
1522in dorm rooms
1523at the Sydney Olympics,
1524
1525318
152600:15:30,792 --> 00:15:33,166
1527you know, hotel rooms, wherever.
1528
1529319
153000:15:33,250 --> 00:15:35,208
1531NASSAR:
1532The view from the hotel room
1533
1534320
153500:15:35,291 --> 00:15:37,166
1536where we're staying at.
1537
1538321
153900:15:37,250 --> 00:15:40,000
1540At nighttime, "the City
1541of Lights," they call this.
1542
1543322
154400:15:41,375 --> 00:15:43,166
1545Just got back from training.
1546
1547323
154800:15:45,583 --> 00:15:47,792
1549MACUR: It's hard for me
1550to even fathom the fact that,
1551
1552324
155300:15:47,875 --> 00:15:50,000
1554you know, we'd see these
1555gymnasts at these Olympics,
1556
1557325
155800:15:50,083 --> 00:15:51,709
1559and they're interviewing
1560with us, saying,
1561
1562326
156300:15:51,792 --> 00:15:53,583
1564"Oh, well, I just came back
1565from treatment."
1566
1567327
156800:15:53,667 --> 00:15:55,625
1569Looking back now, my gosh,
1570these girls were coming
1571
1572328
157300:15:55,709 --> 00:15:58,375
1574to talk to us right after
1575they were abused by this doctor
1576
1577329
157800:15:58,458 --> 00:16:01,125
1579who's, like, always smiley
1580and, you know, uh,
1581
1582330
158300:16:01,208 --> 00:16:03,125
1584looked like, oh,
1585everybody's best friend,
1586
1587331
158800:16:03,208 --> 00:16:05,166
1589giving people gifts.
1590He was so sweet.
1591
1592332
159300:16:05,250 --> 00:16:08,000
1594I mean, it's--
1595it's, like, Sexual Abuse 101.
1596
1597333
159800:16:10,583 --> 00:16:13,250
1599NASSAR: Grab that. Okay.
1600Come back with your back hand,
1601
1602334
160300:16:13,333 --> 00:16:15,709
1604wrap it around. Got it.
1605Come around.
1606
1607335
160800:16:17,125 --> 00:16:18,500
1609Pull down. There you go.
1610
1611336
161200:16:18,583 --> 00:16:20,083
1613Grab with your other hand
1614and pull up.
1615
1616337
161700:16:20,166 --> 00:16:21,792
1618So, the athlete
1619can do this themselves.
1620
1621338
162200:16:21,875 --> 00:16:25,000
1623The athlete can learn to do
1624the Kinesio Tape themselves too.
1625
1626339
162700:16:25,083 --> 00:16:26,583
1628Because
1629it's in a sensitive area--
1630
1631340
163200:16:26,667 --> 00:16:29,000
1633GONCZAR: I find it hard
1634to look at him...
1635
1636341
163700:16:29,083 --> 00:16:30,875
1638as, like, a criminal,
1639
1640342
164100:16:30,959 --> 00:16:33,667
1642aside from all
1643of the things he did,
1644
1645343
164600:16:33,750 --> 00:16:35,834
1647because that's no-- I mean,
1648and I, I don't know.
1649
1650344
165100:16:35,917 --> 00:16:37,542
1652I don't really know
1653another criminal.
1654
1655345
165600:16:37,625 --> 00:16:40,083
1657I don't know another serial
1658child molester.
1659
1660346
166100:16:40,166 --> 00:16:42,959
1662He was so good at being
1663who he was
1664
1665347
166600:16:43,041 --> 00:16:47,208
1667on the other side of that.
1668Like he was, I mean...
1669
1670348
167100:16:47,291 --> 00:16:49,750
1672he was awesome. (CHUCKLES)
1673I hate even saying that
1674
1675349
167600:16:49,834 --> 00:16:52,291
1677'cause it's, like,
1678counter-intuitive of, like,
1679
1680350
168100:16:52,375 --> 00:16:55,625
1682what the heck's happening to us.
1683But...
1684
1685351
168600:16:55,709 --> 00:16:58,542
1687he was awesome. (CHUCKLES)
1688That's why we all loved him.
1689
1690352
169100:16:58,625 --> 00:17:00,709
1692I would have considered him
1693a friend.
1694
1695353
169600:17:00,792 --> 00:17:04,417
1697Uh, it's very, like when I first
1698heard about it,
1699
1700354
170100:17:04,500 --> 00:17:07,667
1702my immediate reaction
1703wasn't, "That's impossible."
1704
1705355
170600:17:07,750 --> 00:17:10,667
1707My immediate reaction was,
1708"Please don't let it be true,"
1709
1710356
171100:17:10,750 --> 00:17:14,000
1712because this is a man
1713that I trusted.
1714
1715357
171600:17:14,083 --> 00:17:16,834
1717We would sit and talk
1718for hours, and he would tell me
1719
1720358
172100:17:16,917 --> 00:17:19,667
1722about what a great philosophy
1723I had and how he loved
1724
1725359
172600:17:19,750 --> 00:17:24,208
1727how I protected children and um,
1728you know, all of this stuff
1729
1730360
173100:17:24,291 --> 00:17:25,959
1732that just makes me look back
1733and go,
1734
1735361
173600:17:26,041 --> 00:17:28,083
1737"God, what a master manipulator
1738he was."
1739
1740362
174100:17:28,166 --> 00:17:31,542
1742He was a typical
1743serial pedophile.
1744
1745363
174600:17:31,625 --> 00:17:33,625
1747Charming, powerful...
1748
1749364
175000:17:33,709 --> 00:17:38,458
1751He was able to pull the wool
1752over all of the adults' faces.
1753
1754365
175500:17:38,542 --> 00:17:41,417
1756What do you look for
1757in a child sex abuser?
1758
1759366
176000:17:41,500 --> 00:17:44,333
1761And the answer is,
1762the nice guy.
1763
1764367
176500:17:44,417 --> 00:17:46,041
1766It's kind of easy for them
1767
1768368
176900:17:46,125 --> 00:17:49,834
1770because they find places
1771where it is easy.
1772
1773369
177400:17:49,917 --> 00:17:53,083
1775A priest,
1776an ultra-Orthodox rabbi,
1777
1778370
177900:17:53,166 --> 00:17:56,875
1780a coach, a doctor
1781for the gymnastics team.
1782
1783371
178400:17:56,959 --> 00:17:59,208
1785MICK GREWAL: These girls
1786adored him and trusted him,
1787
1788372
178900:17:59,291 --> 00:18:00,959
1790and that's not just gymnasts.
1791
1792373
179300:18:01,041 --> 00:18:04,917
1794Larry Nassar saw anybody
1795who had a complaint:
1796
1797374
179800:18:05,041 --> 00:18:09,417
1799gymnasts, rowers,
1800cheerleaders, dancers.
1801
1802375
180300:18:09,500 --> 00:18:13,083
1804He lived three miles from me
1805in Holt, Michigan.
1806
1807376
180800:18:13,166 --> 00:18:16,458
1809It was just like a normal
1810suburb neighborhood.
1811
1812377
181300:18:16,542 --> 00:18:21,834
1814He was a personable,
1815God-fearing Catholic man.
1816
1817378
181800:18:21,917 --> 00:18:24,250
1819KRISTEN THELEN: He was
1820so involved in the community.
1821
1822379
182300:18:24,333 --> 00:18:25,959
1824He volunteered at the church.
1825
1826380
182700:18:26,041 --> 00:18:28,250
1828He volunteered
1829at the high schools.
1830
1831381
183200:18:28,333 --> 00:18:32,625
1833He was almost everywhere
1834we went, always smiling,
1835
1836382
183700:18:32,709 --> 00:18:34,000
1838charismatic...
1839
1840383
184100:18:35,333 --> 00:18:37,959
1842overly involved in our lives.
1843
1844384
184500:18:38,041 --> 00:18:41,709
1846GAMET: I was 14,
1847and I wanted to be a doctor,
1848
1849385
185000:18:41,792 --> 00:18:45,542
1851so Larry brought me to
1852Take Your Daughter to Work Day.
1853
1854386
185500:18:45,625 --> 00:18:47,375
1856We had each other's
1857phone numbers.
1858
1859387
186000:18:47,458 --> 00:18:49,208
1861I would text him almost daily.
1862
1863388
186400:18:49,291 --> 00:18:52,667
1865We were friends on Facebook.
1866He'd post on my wall.
1867
1868389
186900:18:52,750 --> 00:18:54,834
1870MELODY POSTHUMA:
1871He shared his Instagram,
1872
1873390
187400:18:54,917 --> 00:18:58,625
1875so I knew his children's names
1876and faces, and his wife.
1877
1878391
187900:18:58,709 --> 00:19:00,625
1880He'd ask about
1881your personal life.
1882
1883392
188400:19:00,709 --> 00:19:02,750
1885He knew about my friendships.
1886
1887393
188800:19:02,834 --> 00:19:04,583
1889He knew what classes
1890I was taking,
1891
1892394
189300:19:04,667 --> 00:19:06,291
1894where I wanted to go to college.
1895
1896395
189700:19:06,375 --> 00:19:09,291
1898He was a friend, a confidant,
1899at one time.
1900
1901396
190200:19:09,375 --> 00:19:14,125
1903Nassar was extremely well liked,
1904but he was also... admired
1905
1906397
190700:19:14,208 --> 00:19:16,625
1908as someone who was doing
1909amazing things
1910
1911398
191200:19:16,709 --> 00:19:18,583
1913for female gymnasts.
1914
1915399
191600:19:18,667 --> 00:19:20,792
1917Thank you for visiting
1918GymnasticsDoctor.com,
1919
1920400
192100:19:20,875 --> 00:19:23,208
1922where you can see
1923over 400 educational videos
1924
1925401
192600:19:23,291 --> 00:19:25,458
1927on how to rehabilitate
1928your gymnast.
1929
1930402
193100:19:25,542 --> 00:19:27,625
1932So, with a weak
1933glute medius muscle,
1934
1935403
193600:19:27,709 --> 00:19:28,959
1937this drops down,
1938
1939404
194000:19:29,041 --> 00:19:31,000
1941the foot rolls,
1942and she's got the--
1943
1944405
194500:19:31,083 --> 00:19:33,458
1946the weakness in the--
1947in the hip area here.
1948
1949406
195000:19:33,542 --> 00:19:35,333
1951Come off your toes
1952and come back,
1953
1954407
195500:19:35,417 --> 00:19:38,166
1956all in one motion.
1957Toes, arms, go.
1958
1959408
196000:19:38,250 --> 00:19:40,625
1961THELEN:
1962Every appointment, he would
1963
1964409
196500:19:40,709 --> 00:19:42,542
1966have his hands all over me,
1967
1968410
196900:19:42,625 --> 00:19:45,834
1970adjusting me,
1971massaging my back.
1972
1973411
197400:19:45,917 --> 00:19:48,500
1975And what some people
1976might not understand,
1977
1978412
197900:19:48,583 --> 00:19:51,625
1980that this is a really big part
1981of gymnastics
1982
1983413
198400:19:51,709 --> 00:19:53,208
1985that he took advantage of,
1986
1987414
198800:19:53,291 --> 00:19:58,166
1989that we're used to having adults
1990spotting us, helping us stretch.
1991
1992415
199300:19:58,250 --> 00:20:00,792
1994We're used to having
1995adults touch us.
1996
1997416
199800:20:00,875 --> 00:20:04,834
1999But Larry took it
2000a step further.
2001
2002417
200300:20:04,917 --> 00:20:08,500
2004He explained to my mom,
2005"I'm going to put my hands
2006
2007418
200800:20:08,583 --> 00:20:11,709
2009near a very private place
2010on your daughter."
2011
2012419
201300:20:11,792 --> 00:20:15,542
2014He didn't ask. He just said that
2015that's what he was going to do.
2016
2017420
201800:20:15,625 --> 00:20:19,041
2019Larry Nassar pretty much had a--
2020a primary method.
2021
2022421
202300:20:19,125 --> 00:20:21,709
2024You would come to him and,
2025"I have a backache.
2026
2027422
202800:20:21,792 --> 00:20:24,000
2029I have a hip problem."
2030
2031423
203200:20:24,083 --> 00:20:26,166
2033He would stick his ungloved...
2034
2035424
203600:20:26,250 --> 00:20:29,709
2037unlubricated hand
2038in your vaginal cavity
2039
2040425
204100:20:29,792 --> 00:20:32,917
2042and do what he called
2043"a vaginal adjustment."
2044
2045426
204600:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,291
2047And it was, like,
2048this catchall treatment.
2049
2050427
205100:20:35,375 --> 00:20:38,959
2052You know, stuff that was
2053nowhere near your pelvic area,
2054
2055428
205600:20:39,041 --> 00:20:41,500
2057this was like,
2058"This'll make it better."
2059
2060429
206100:20:41,583 --> 00:20:43,083
2062JESSICA ANN SMITH:
2063He told me that
2064
2065430
206600:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,667
2067I would probably
2068be uncomfortable
2069
2070431
207100:20:44,750 --> 00:20:47,667
2072and kind of explained
2073that in the vagina,
2074
2075432
207600:20:47,750 --> 00:20:49,667
2077there's a trigger point,
2078or pressure point,
2079
2080433
208100:20:49,750 --> 00:20:52,250
2082that would release to help him
2083work on my ankle
2084
2085434
208600:20:52,333 --> 00:20:53,500
2087to be less painful.
2088
2089435
209000:20:53,583 --> 00:20:55,917
2091In my case, I wasn't given
2092a heads up
2093
2094436
209500:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,083
2096or any kind of explanation
2097about the procedure.
2098
2099437
210000:20:58,166 --> 00:21:00,500
2101I think he just said,
2102"Tell me if this hurts."
2103
2104438
210500:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,250
2106Like, which it did,
2107
2108439
210900:21:05,333 --> 00:21:07,625
2110but everything
2111that he was doing hurt.
2112
2113440
211400:21:07,709 --> 00:21:09,375
2115He was doing,
2116like, pressure points
2117
2118441
211900:21:09,458 --> 00:21:10,750
2120and manipulations and, like,
2121
2122442
212300:21:10,834 --> 00:21:12,917
2124pushing on my muscles
2125with his elbows.
2126
2127443
212800:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,000
2129Um. I was pretty used
2130to just, like...
2131
2132444
213300:21:16,083 --> 00:21:18,250
2134buckling down
2135and taking whatever pain.
2136
2137445
213800:21:18,333 --> 00:21:21,500
2139You're always told by coaches,
2140teachers, "No pain, no gain."
2141
2142446
214300:21:21,583 --> 00:21:23,041
2144So, when something's painful,
2145
2146447
214700:21:23,125 --> 00:21:25,083
2148you're thinking,
2149"This is helping me,
2150
2151448
215200:21:25,166 --> 00:21:27,417
2153and I'm getting better
2154because of it."
2155
2156449
215700:21:27,500 --> 00:21:29,500
2158I remember being like,
2159
2160450
216100:21:29,583 --> 00:21:31,917
2162"Can I survive this
2163for another two minutes?"
2164
2165451
216600:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,291
2167Watching the clock on my phone,
2168
2169452
217000:21:33,375 --> 00:21:35,166
2171waiting for five minutes
2172to go past,
2173
2174453
217500:21:35,250 --> 00:21:37,959
2176ten minutes to go past,
2177up to 45 minutes or an hour.
2178
2179454
218000:21:38,041 --> 00:21:41,333
2181So, his appointments
2182would be two hours long.
2183
2184455
218500:21:41,417 --> 00:21:45,083
2186My analysis is, an hour
2187was medical, professional,
2188
2189456
219000:21:45,166 --> 00:21:48,583
2191and then the second half
2192was sexual.
2193
2194457
219500:21:48,667 --> 00:21:50,875
2196Trying to remember back,
2197you know, to these "treatments"
2198
2199458
220000:21:50,959 --> 00:21:54,041
2201and thinking back, and I'm like,
2202"How the heck didn't any, like--
2203
2204459
220500:21:54,125 --> 00:21:56,458
2206how did he do that?"
2207And then I'm like,
2208
2209460
221000:21:56,542 --> 00:21:58,709
2211"I don't think
2212there was a silent moment."
2213
2214461
221500:21:58,792 --> 00:22:01,917
2216I mean, I don't think
2217he ever stopped talking.
2218
2219462
222000:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,333
2221"What's happening today?
2222How's, you know, your family?
2223
2224463
222500:22:05,417 --> 00:22:08,291
2226Oh Dawn, how's things going
2227with the kids?"
2228
2229464
223000:22:08,375 --> 00:22:10,458
2231HOMER:
2232Mother of three daughters.
2233
2234465
223500:22:10,542 --> 00:22:12,834
2236My goal was to keep them safe.
2237
2238466
223900:22:12,917 --> 00:22:17,041
2240And then I became an accomplice
2241in such a crazy world.
2242
2243467
224400:22:17,125 --> 00:22:18,667
2245I mean, he would talk
2246to the parents
2247
2248468
224900:22:18,750 --> 00:22:20,500
2250while he was doing this.
2251
2252469
225300:22:20,583 --> 00:22:22,333
2254And so, it--
2255it was confusing.
2256
2257470
225800:22:22,417 --> 00:22:26,166
2259The first time, specifically?
2260Um, well, my dad was in the room
2261
2262471
226300:22:26,250 --> 00:22:27,750
2264and I just...
2265
2266472
226700:22:27,834 --> 00:22:29,500
2268like, first I was like, "What?"
2269
2270473
227100:22:29,583 --> 00:22:31,792
2272Like, "Is this normal?
2273Like, "What is going on?"
2274
2275474
227600:22:31,875 --> 00:22:35,333
2277And then... a f--
2278a little bit...
2279
2280475
228100:22:35,417 --> 00:22:38,125
2282of thinking about it,
2283I was like...
2284
2285476
228600:22:38,208 --> 00:22:42,041
2287"Okay, well, my dad's
2288on the other side of the room,
2289
2290477
229100:22:42,125 --> 00:22:45,000
2292so maybe it's normal."
2293Then I'm like,
2294
2295478
229600:22:45,083 --> 00:22:46,917
2297"But does he know
2298what's happening?
2299
2300479
230100:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,208
2302I don't know if he does.
2303Well, how do I ask about this?
2304
2305480
230600:22:50,291 --> 00:22:53,667
2307I can't ask about this."
2308And then, then you think,
2309
2310481
231100:22:53,750 --> 00:22:55,041
2312"Well, he's a doctor."
2313
2314482
231500:22:55,125 --> 00:22:56,667
2316I didn't think that
2317it happened to her
2318
2319483
232000:22:56,750 --> 00:23:01,250
2321because... I had no idea.
2322Like, I was there.
2323
2324484
232500:23:01,333 --> 00:23:03,125
2326I thought I saw everything.
2327
2328485
232900:23:03,208 --> 00:23:05,208
2330She was with me
2331at every single appointment.
2332
2333486
233400:23:05,291 --> 00:23:07,125
2335INTERVIEWER:
2336Was your mom always with you?
2337
2338487
233900:23:07,208 --> 00:23:09,291
2340Yeah, she was always in the room
2341with me.
2342
2343488
234400:23:09,375 --> 00:23:11,750
2345Having your own parent there,
2346and...
2347
2348489
234900:23:13,709 --> 00:23:15,375
2350he's still able to manage
2351
2352490
235300:23:15,458 --> 00:23:17,375
2354to get away with what he did,
2355
2356491
235700:23:17,458 --> 00:23:19,834
2358even with someone else
2359in the room,
2360
2361492
236200:23:19,917 --> 00:23:22,625
2363that-- that's really scary.
2364
2365493
236600:23:22,709 --> 00:23:24,458
2367This is a grooming behavior.
2368
2369494
237000:23:24,542 --> 00:23:27,625
2371The parent's sitting there.
2372The child's watching the parent.
2373
2374495
237500:23:27,709 --> 00:23:30,959
2376The child doesn't want to tell
2377the parent this is going on,
2378
2379496
238000:23:31,041 --> 00:23:32,458
2381but believes the parent
2382must know
2383
2384497
238500:23:32,542 --> 00:23:34,000
2386because it's happening
2387right in front of them,
2388
2389498
239000:23:34,083 --> 00:23:36,458
2391so it's okay.
2392So, guess what happens later on?
2393
2394499
239500:23:36,542 --> 00:23:39,083
2396Parent doesn't come
2397into the next session,
2398
2399500
240000:23:39,166 --> 00:23:41,500
2401and instead of it
2402being a two-minute procedure,
2403
2404501
240500:23:41,583 --> 00:23:43,959
2406it ends up being
2407a 45-minute procedure.
2408
2409502
241000:23:45,083 --> 00:23:46,917
2411The young girl thinks it's okay
2412
2413503
241400:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,417
2415'cause Mom and Dad
2416were sitting in the room before.
2417
2418504
241900:23:49,500 --> 00:23:54,583
2420I noticed that what he was doing
2421was getting more aggressive
2422
2423505
242400:23:54,667 --> 00:23:57,500
2425as I got older,
2426and when I could drive myself,
2427
2428506
242900:23:57,583 --> 00:24:00,834
2430then no parent was in the room,
2431so then it really amped up.
2432
2433507
243400:24:00,917 --> 00:24:03,166
2435He would bring us to his house,
2436to the basement.
2437
2438508
243900:24:04,625 --> 00:24:06,583
2440WILLIAMS:
2441When I heard two months ago
2442
2443509
244400:24:06,667 --> 00:24:10,375
2445that Taylor was treated
2446in his basement,
2447
2448510
244900:24:11,250 --> 00:24:12,875
2450I almost fell over.
2451
2452511
245300:24:14,500 --> 00:24:18,417
2454Who goes
2455to their doctor's basement?
2456
2457512
245800:24:18,500 --> 00:24:22,625
2459He offered free "treatments"
2460to women all the time
2461
2462513
246300:24:22,709 --> 00:24:24,959
2464in his basement,
2465which I knew about.
2466
2467514
246800:24:25,041 --> 00:24:27,083
2469So that's why I felt okay going
2470'cause I,
2471
2472515
247300:24:27,166 --> 00:24:29,959
2474once again, minimized it.
2475"Everyone else goes there too."
2476
2477516
247800:24:30,041 --> 00:24:31,792
2479You know,
2480he would get erections.
2481
2482517
248300:24:31,875 --> 00:24:34,583
2484You know, it's just, something's
2485not right there. (CHUCKLES)
2486
2487518
248800:24:34,667 --> 00:24:39,959
2489He would take his belt off.
2490He would make grunting noises.
2491
2492519
249300:24:40,041 --> 00:24:43,333
2494And if we look at it as,
2495as adults, we're like,
2496
2497520
249800:24:43,417 --> 00:24:44,875
2499"Oh my God, didn't you know?
2500
2501521
250200:24:44,959 --> 00:24:46,959
2503Of course,
2504this is for a sexual purpose."
2505
2506522
250700:24:47,041 --> 00:24:48,458
2508But you gotta put your mind--
2509
2510523
251100:24:48,542 --> 00:24:50,625
2512a young girl
2513who has no sexual experience,
2514
2515524
251600:24:50,709 --> 00:24:53,667
2517a young girl who's trusting,
2518a young girl who's told
2519
2520525
252100:24:53,750 --> 00:24:56,792
2522repeatedly over,
2523"This is the Olympic doctor.
2524
2525526
252600:24:56,875 --> 00:24:58,125
2527He's there to help."
2528
2529527
253000:24:58,208 --> 00:25:01,125
2531So, these girls,
2532they had no clue.
2533
2534528
253500:25:01,208 --> 00:25:03,709
2536And then I would feel better
2537after my appointments
2538
2539529
254000:25:03,792 --> 00:25:06,750
2541'cause like I said,
2542he was doing medical things.
2543
2544530
254500:25:06,834 --> 00:25:09,625
2546And no one else was helping me
2547get better, so I knew
2548
2549531
255000:25:09,709 --> 00:25:12,000
2551I had to go back
2552because I needed
2553
2554532
255500:25:12,083 --> 00:25:13,625
2556to be relieved of my pain.
2557
2558533
255900:25:13,709 --> 00:25:15,959
2560So even if I hated
2561the treatment, I would go back.
2562
2563534
256400:25:16,041 --> 00:25:20,166
2565And that's how so many girls
2566were abused for so many years.
2567
2568535
256900:25:20,250 --> 00:25:23,166
2570INTERVIEWER: How often
2571was that vaginal treatment?
2572
2573536
257400:25:23,250 --> 00:25:25,291
2575GONCZAR: Probably every time.
2576
2577537
257800:25:25,375 --> 00:25:27,834
2579I don't remember not having it.
2580
2581538
258200:25:27,917 --> 00:25:30,709
2583They estimate it happened
2584to me-- estimate--
2585
2586539
258700:25:30,792 --> 00:25:33,750
2588like, eight--
2589maybe 846 times.
2590
2591540
259200:25:35,709 --> 00:25:36,834
2593It's a lot.
2594
2595541
259600:25:36,917 --> 00:25:39,583
2597The reason Larry was
2598such a good doctor
2599
2600542
260100:25:39,667 --> 00:25:42,667
2602was because you didn't feel
2603anything afterward,
2604
2605543
260600:25:42,750 --> 00:25:45,208
2607not just physically.
2608Emotionally, mentally.
2609
2610544
261100:25:45,291 --> 00:25:47,917
2612You had to block it out.
2613You had to,
2614
2615545
261600:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,959
2617or...
2618you're going to fall apart.
2619
2620546
262100:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,542
2622GREWAL:
2623These young women didn't know.
2624
2625547
262600:25:54,625 --> 00:25:55,959
2627Their bodies might have known.
2628
2629548
263000:25:56,041 --> 00:25:57,625
2631Subconsciously,
2632they might have known.
2633
2634549
263500:25:57,709 --> 00:25:59,333
2636They thought this was
2637a legitimate medical treatment.
2638
2639550
264000:25:59,417 --> 00:26:02,583
2641They were told over and over
2642and over again,
2643
2644551
264500:26:02,667 --> 00:26:05,375
2646"You can trust Larry. Larry says
2647you can trust Larry.
2648
2649552
265000:26:05,458 --> 00:26:07,083
2651Kathie says you can trust Larry.
2652
2653553
265400:26:07,166 --> 00:26:08,959
2655John Geddert says
2656you can trust Larry."
2657
2658554
265900:26:09,041 --> 00:26:10,625
2660INTERVIEWER:
2661Who is John Geddert?
2662
2663555
266400:26:11,458 --> 00:26:12,834
2665Satan.
2666
2667556
266800:26:12,917 --> 00:26:16,667
2669He is, uh, the devil,
2670and he, uh,
2671
2672557
267300:26:16,750 --> 00:26:20,291
2674is the head coach
2675and owner of Twistars.
2676
2677558
267800:26:22,959 --> 00:26:24,375
2679JOHN GEDDERT: Open the hips.
2680
2681559
268200:26:24,458 --> 00:26:26,959
2683That's better, feet.
2684Now up, up, up, up.
2685
2686560
268700:26:27,041 --> 00:26:32,458
2688That's too much forward.
2689Straight. Squeeze it. Shape.
2690
2691561
269200:26:32,542 --> 00:26:34,792
2693Hold the shape.
2694Press the landing.
2695
2696562
269700:26:34,875 --> 00:26:39,041
2698Press the landing. Press.
2699No, stay there. Stay.
2700
2701563
270200:26:41,834 --> 00:26:45,834
2703WILLIAMS: John Geddert,
2704former 2012 Olympic team coach.
2705
2706564
270700:26:45,917 --> 00:26:49,875
2708When I came to Michigan,
2709very, very, very quickly,
2710
2711565
271200:26:49,959 --> 00:26:52,500
2713I realized
2714that John was the force,
2715
2716566
271700:26:52,583 --> 00:26:56,000
2718the name in, certainly,
2719Region 5 gymnastics.
2720
2721567
272200:26:56,083 --> 00:26:59,291
2723MOCEANU: John Geddert coached
2724Olympic champion Jordyn Wieber,
2725
2726568
272700:26:59,375 --> 00:27:01,709
2728and he had many other
2729national team members
2730
2731569
273200:27:01,792 --> 00:27:03,083
2733throughout the years.
2734
2735570
273600:27:03,166 --> 00:27:04,750
2737He housed Nassar
2738
2739571
274000:27:04,834 --> 00:27:08,417
2741at his facility in Michigan,
2742Twistars,
2743
2744572
274500:27:08,500 --> 00:27:11,542
2746where he had
2747unprecedented access
2748
2749573
275000:27:11,625 --> 00:27:13,125
2751to his gymnasts in the gym.
2752
2753574
275400:27:13,208 --> 00:27:14,709
2755INTERVIEWER:
2756Like at the KÃ¡rolyi Ranch?
2757
2758575
275900:27:14,792 --> 00:27:17,208
2760Very similar environment.
2761Actually, probably even
2762
2763576
276400:27:17,291 --> 00:27:20,000
2765more access at Geddert's gym.
2766
2767577
276800:27:20,083 --> 00:27:22,250
2769At the Ranch,
2770it was only whenever
2771
2772578
277300:27:22,333 --> 00:27:25,333
2774he was able to come in
2775to the monthly camps.
2776
2777579
277800:27:25,417 --> 00:27:27,583
2779But at Geddert's gym,
2780he could go in every day
2781
2782580
278300:27:27,667 --> 00:27:28,834
2784if he wanted to.
2785
2786581
278700:27:28,917 --> 00:27:30,333
2788TAYLOR LIVINGSTON:
2789John especially,
2790
2791582
279200:27:30,417 --> 00:27:31,834
2793Twistars especially,
2794
2795583
279600:27:31,917 --> 00:27:34,291
2797sent you to Larry.
2798He came in every Monday,
2799
2800584
280100:27:34,375 --> 00:27:37,417
2802and he would stay
2803until everyone was seen.
2804
2805585
280600:27:37,500 --> 00:27:39,834
2807He was very well known
2808at the gym, obviously,
2809
2810586
281100:27:39,917 --> 00:27:42,125
2812because he was promoted
2813at the gym.
2814
2815587
281600:27:42,208 --> 00:27:45,917
2817He was pretty much
2818like our go-to doctor.
2819
2820588
282100:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,667
2822HOMER: Larry knew how to
2823get them back in their sport.
2824
2825589
282600:27:48,750 --> 00:27:52,500
2827He knew how to pick them up
2828psychologically,
2829
2830590
283100:27:52,583 --> 00:27:55,291
2832because the last thing you want
2833to be if you are an athlete
2834
2835591
283600:27:55,375 --> 00:27:58,709
2837is injured, especially
2838in John Geddert's gym.
2839
2840592
284100:28:01,125 --> 00:28:02,500
2842WILLIAMS: John Geddert,
2843
2844593
284500:28:02,583 --> 00:28:06,750
2846super intimidating man,
2847super intimidating.
2848
2849594
285000:28:06,834 --> 00:28:09,333
2851Um, walks it, owns it, talks it.
2852
2853595
285400:28:09,417 --> 00:28:11,625
2855How would I describe myself
2856as a coach?
2857
2858596
285900:28:11,709 --> 00:28:13,083
2860I know how others describe me,
2861
2862597
286300:28:13,166 --> 00:28:14,750
2864but I think they get
2865the wrong impression.
2866
2867598
286800:28:14,834 --> 00:28:18,375
2869Um. I'm pretty intense,
2870very caring about my athletes.
2871
2872599
287300:28:18,458 --> 00:28:21,375
2874Um, I'm not a warm and fuzzy...
2875
2876600
287700:28:21,458 --> 00:28:23,667
2878um, blow smoke
2879when it's not needed.
2880
2881601
288200:28:23,750 --> 00:28:26,333
2883I'll give kids their due
2884when they deserve it,
2885
2886602
288700:28:26,417 --> 00:28:28,959
2888but I'm not gonna
2889unnecessarily tell them
2890
2891603
289200:28:29,041 --> 00:28:31,542
2893how wonderful they are
2894if they're not being wonderful.
2895
2896604
289700:28:31,625 --> 00:28:37,083
2898He would use more of a tactic
2899like beating you down.
2900
2901605
290200:28:37,166 --> 00:28:39,667
2903So, he would belittle you.
2904He would insult you,
2905
2906606
290700:28:39,750 --> 00:28:40,959
2908call you names,
2909
2910607
291100:28:41,041 --> 00:28:43,625
2912and you would feel like
2913you weren't good enough.
2914
2915608
291600:28:43,709 --> 00:28:45,875
2917It was your fault.
2918You were doing things wrong.
2919
2920609
292100:28:45,959 --> 00:28:48,709
2922At gymnastics meets,
2923if a girl fell,
2924
2925610
292600:28:48,792 --> 00:28:51,083
2927I would see him turn his back
2928on her
2929
2930611
293100:28:51,166 --> 00:28:53,041
2932and he wouldn't watch her
2933compete,
2934
2935612
293600:28:53,125 --> 00:28:56,166
2937or he would-- threw
2938a water bottle at somebody
2939
2940613
294100:28:56,250 --> 00:28:58,125
2942because they made a mistake
2943on the bars.
2944
2945614
294600:28:58,208 --> 00:29:00,834
2947And so, you would keep trying
2948harder and harder
2949
2950615
295100:29:00,917 --> 00:29:02,291
2952to get his approval.
2953
2954616
295500:29:02,375 --> 00:29:03,875
2956You always wanted
2957John's approval,
2958
2959617
296000:29:03,959 --> 00:29:06,834
2961and when he gave it to you,
2962it was something special.
2963
2964618
296500:29:08,417 --> 00:29:11,834
2966(CHEERING)
2967
2968619
296900:29:11,917 --> 00:29:13,625
2970Kinda, like,
2971the wrong way to do it,
2972
2973620
297400:29:13,709 --> 00:29:18,500
2975but as long as John got results,
2976he continued his technique,
2977
2978621
297900:29:18,583 --> 00:29:21,625
2980just break
2981every single girl down
2982
2983622
298400:29:21,709 --> 00:29:24,709
2985until they thought
2986they were nothing.
2987
2988623
298900:29:26,542 --> 00:29:28,917
2990And then after practice,
2991you'd go and see Larry.
2992
2993624
299400:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,125
2995He'd be there for you,
2996be that person
2997
2998625
299900:29:31,208 --> 00:29:33,667
3000that you know was going
3001to understand you, and...
3002
3003626
300400:29:33,750 --> 00:29:37,250
3005for me, he was kind of like
3006a friend that I could go to.
3007
3008627
300900:29:37,333 --> 00:29:40,083
3010Larry was good and John was bad.
3011(CHUCKLES)
3012
3013628
301400:29:40,166 --> 00:29:41,583
3015You knew that
3016they were good friends
3017
3018629
301900:29:41,667 --> 00:29:43,583
3020but I never-- it's weird
3021'cause like I don't--
3022
3023630
302400:29:43,667 --> 00:29:45,083
3025they're so different.
3026
3027631
302800:29:45,166 --> 00:29:47,000
3029Larry's super dorky,
3030
3031632
303200:29:47,083 --> 00:29:50,417
3033and John was super, like, ego.
3034
3035633
303600:29:50,500 --> 00:29:52,875
3037But it was almost like
3038the weird perfect fit.
3039
3040634
304100:29:52,959 --> 00:29:56,458
3042I think that if we were injured,
3043John sent us to Larry
3044
3045635
304600:29:56,542 --> 00:29:59,834
3047because he would give
3048the shortest amount of time
3049
3050636
305100:29:59,917 --> 00:30:04,458
3052that could be necessary
3053to come back from our injury.
3054
3055637
305600:30:04,542 --> 00:30:07,959
3057And there would be no mediator,
3058I guess, in the middle
3059
3060638
306100:30:08,041 --> 00:30:11,792
3062to be like, "Well maybe she
3063needs this extra few weeks."
3064
3065639
306600:30:11,875 --> 00:30:13,291
3067If Larry thought you were okay,
3068
3069640
307000:30:13,375 --> 00:30:16,667
3071then you must not be hurting
3072anymore. You're okay.
3073
3074641
307500:30:16,750 --> 00:30:18,166
3076INTERVIEWER:
3077That sounds dangerous.
3078
3079642
308000:30:18,250 --> 00:30:20,041
3081Yeah. Um. I would say so.
3082
3083643
308400:30:21,875 --> 00:30:23,834
3085HUTCHINS: I started having
3086some shin pain in my leg,
3087
3088644
308900:30:23,917 --> 00:30:26,709
3090and it started getting worse
3091a couple weeks later.
3092
3093645
309400:30:26,792 --> 00:30:29,000
3095And so then, I finally said
3096something to John,
3097
3098646
309900:30:29,083 --> 00:30:30,792
3100and he said,
3101"Well, go see Larry."
3102
3103647
310400:30:30,875 --> 00:30:34,291
3105So, I saw Larry. He poked
3106and prodded at it, and he says,
3107
3108648
310900:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,500
3110"I don't think anything's
3111seriously wrong with it."
3112
3113649
311400:30:36,583 --> 00:30:38,166
3115Like, "I'll tape it up
3116a little bit,
3117
3118650
311900:30:38,250 --> 00:30:40,333
3120but you're okay
3121to continue practicing."
3122
3123651
312400:30:40,417 --> 00:30:42,834
3125I kept practicing
3126for weeks later.
3127
3128652
312900:30:42,917 --> 00:30:46,625
3130The pain got worse.
3131It felt like I was stabbing it
3132
3133653
313400:30:46,709 --> 00:30:49,583
3135every time I tumbled.
3136And it got to the point
3137
3138654
313900:30:49,667 --> 00:30:53,208
3140where I was seeing Larry
3141every day at practice,
3142
3143655
314400:30:53,291 --> 00:30:55,375
3145and then after practice,
3146I would go to his house
3147
3148656
314900:30:55,458 --> 00:30:58,083
3150and be in his basement
3151at his house.
3152
3153657
315400:30:58,166 --> 00:31:00,333
3155INTERVIEWER: How often
3156did he do the "treatment"?
3157
3158658
315900:31:00,417 --> 00:31:01,625
3160Every time.
3161
3162659
316300:31:01,709 --> 00:31:03,750
3164And I felt violated,
3165but he's a doctor.
3166
3167660
316800:31:03,834 --> 00:31:05,542
3169It's got to be for some reason.
3170
3171661
317200:31:05,625 --> 00:31:07,917
3173Um. So, I just
3174never said anything,
3175
3176662
317700:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,166
3178and I just kind of accepted it.
3179
3180663
318100:31:10,250 --> 00:31:12,625
3182You would think that if your
3183leg wasn't getting better,
3184
3185664
318600:31:12,709 --> 00:31:16,417
3187you might want to get X-rays
3188on it, but that didn't happen.
3189
3190665
319100:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,625
3192Doing all the gymnastics stuff
3193on it,
3194
3195666
319600:31:18,709 --> 00:31:20,709
3197it was, um, excruciating,
3198
3199667
320000:31:20,792 --> 00:31:23,000
3201but a prestigious
3202Olympic doctor
3203
3204668
320500:31:23,083 --> 00:31:24,417
3206is telling you nothing's wrong,
3207
3208669
320900:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,291
3210so you kind of think
3211you're crazy.
3212
3213670
321400:31:26,375 --> 00:31:31,166
3215I mean, it makes you wonder
3216what really is pain.
3217
3218671
321900:31:31,250 --> 00:31:33,583
3220And the practice before we left
3221for nationals,
3222
3223672
322400:31:33,667 --> 00:31:36,458
3225I was struggling so hard.
3226And so finally, I was like,
3227
3228673
322900:31:36,542 --> 00:31:38,041
3230"John, like, I'm trying
3231my hardest
3232
3233674
323400:31:38,125 --> 00:31:40,500
3235but my leg hurts so bad,
3236I can't make this."
3237
3238675
323900:31:40,583 --> 00:31:46,792
3240And he told me to get my stuff
3241out of the fucking locker room
3242
3243676
324400:31:46,875 --> 00:31:52,041
3245and get out of the fucking gym.
3246He means forever.
3247
3248677
324900:31:52,125 --> 00:31:56,542
3250So, I go to the ER,
3251I get X-rays, and it's broken.
3252
3253678
325400:31:56,625 --> 00:31:58,166
3255Like, splintered.
3256
3257679
325800:31:58,250 --> 00:32:02,583
3259It looks like a nail
3260was hammering down on my leg
3261
3262680
326300:32:02,667 --> 00:32:05,458
3264and it just kept
3265splintering off pieces
3266
3267681
326800:32:05,542 --> 00:32:08,333
3269because I just kept tumbling
3270on it.
3271
3272682
327300:32:08,417 --> 00:32:11,375
3274INTERVIEWER:
3275Do you think that you were
3276purposely mistreated by Nassar
3277
3278683
327900:32:11,458 --> 00:32:14,417
3280in order to keep you
3281in his care?
3282
3283684
328400:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,834
3285HUTCHINS: I think
3286it's definitely a possibility.
3287
3288685
328900:32:17,917 --> 00:32:21,583
3290Why else would I have competed
3291on a broken leg for a month?
3292
3293686
329400:32:21,667 --> 00:32:24,375
3295Why else wouldn't X-rays
3296have been in the question
3297
3298687
329900:32:24,458 --> 00:32:27,000
3300if it continued to get worse
3301and not better?
3302
3303688
330400:32:27,083 --> 00:32:29,041
3305INTERVIEWER: Do you think
3306that John Geddert knew
3307
3308689
330900:32:29,125 --> 00:32:31,875
3310about Nassar's
3311so called "treatments"...
3312
3313690
331400:32:31,959 --> 00:32:33,583
3315and that
3316they were not appropriate?
3317
3318691
331900:32:33,667 --> 00:32:37,375
3320Um... it's hard to say,
3321
3322692
332300:32:37,458 --> 00:32:42,000
3324but I don't know how anyone
3325couldn't have known,
3326
3327693
332800:32:42,083 --> 00:32:43,792
3329um, with be--
3330
3331694
333200:32:43,875 --> 00:32:46,709
3333it being in a room right there
3334in your own gym. You know?
3335
3336695
333700:32:46,792 --> 00:32:49,500
3338There's no way he didn't know
3339something about Larry.
3340
3341696
334200:32:49,583 --> 00:32:53,041
3343And even if he thought
3344it was really a treatment
3345
3346697
334700:32:53,125 --> 00:32:55,625
3348because this guy was supposed
3349to be his best friend
3350
3351698
335200:32:55,709 --> 00:33:00,917
3353and was supposed to be a doctor,
3354it's such a bizarre thing
3355
3356699
335700:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000
3358that you would hope that
3359he would at least look into it.
3360
3361700
336200:33:04,083 --> 00:33:05,458
3363And there's no way
3364he didn't hear.
3365
3366701
336700:33:05,542 --> 00:33:09,000
3368We talked about it openly
3369in the gym.
3370
3371702
337200:33:09,083 --> 00:33:12,333
3373GAMET: There's a whole
3374institution of people who knew
3375
3376703
337700:33:12,417 --> 00:33:16,041
3378through these years, and it--
3379it could have been stopped.
3380
3381704
338200:33:16,125 --> 00:33:19,750
3383INTERVIEWER:
3384How do you think the abuse could
3385have stopped earlier?
3386
3387705
338800:33:19,834 --> 00:33:23,625
3389Could have stopped
3390when Kathie was told.
3391
3392706
339300:33:26,291 --> 00:33:29,542
3394GAMET: Kathie Klages,
3395another friend of John Geddert
3396
3397707
339800:33:29,625 --> 00:33:34,959
3399and Larry Nassar.
3400She was told in-- in '97.
3401
3402708
340300:33:37,959 --> 00:33:41,083
3404LARISSA BOYCE: I went to
3405Spartan Youth Gymnastics Club,
3406
3407709
340800:33:41,166 --> 00:33:45,041
3409and one of the head coaches
3410was Kathie Klages,
3411
3412710
341300:33:45,125 --> 00:33:47,583
3414MSU's head gymnastics coach.
3415
3416711
341700:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,625
3418I had been thinking about...
3419
3420712
342100:33:50,709 --> 00:33:54,333
3422talking to an adult
3423about these "treatments"
3424
3425713
342600:33:54,417 --> 00:33:56,500
3427'cause it did make me
3428uncomfortable.
3429
3430714
343100:33:56,583 --> 00:34:00,667
3432So, Kathie Klages had me come
3433into her office,
3434
3435715
343600:34:00,750 --> 00:34:03,083
3437and I did specifically tell her
3438
3439716
344000:34:03,166 --> 00:34:07,834
3441that Larry was putting
3442his fingers inside of me.
3443
3444717
344500:34:07,917 --> 00:34:11,875
3446And she just said
3447I must be misunderstanding.
3448
3449718
345000:34:11,959 --> 00:34:14,792
3451He would never do anything
3452inappropriate.
3453
3454719
345500:34:14,875 --> 00:34:17,875
3456She said she had known him
3457for years and years
3458
3459720
346000:34:17,959 --> 00:34:20,458
3461and I just must be mistaken.
3462
3463721
346400:34:20,542 --> 00:34:25,875
3465Kathie did not believe her.
3466So she marched other gymnasts in
3467
3468722
346900:34:25,959 --> 00:34:29,291
3470to try to dissuade Larissa
3471that this wasn't happening.
3472
3473723
347400:34:29,375 --> 00:34:32,917
3475She had teammates come in,
3476a couple at a time,
3477
3478724
347900:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,750
3480while I was sitting there
3481in her office, in front of me,
3482
3483725
348400:34:35,834 --> 00:34:39,291
3485and she asked them if Larry had
3486ever done anything
3487
3488726
348900:34:39,375 --> 00:34:42,333
3490to make them feel uncomfortable
3491during treatments.
3492
3493727
349400:34:42,417 --> 00:34:46,625
3495And all of them said no,
3496except one other girl.
3497
3498728
349900:34:46,709 --> 00:34:49,250
3500So, this other girl stayed
3501in the room,
3502
3503729
350400:34:49,333 --> 00:34:53,875
3505and Kathie still just couldn't
3506wrap her head
3507
3508730
350900:34:53,959 --> 00:34:55,458
3510around what we were saying.
3511
3512731
351300:34:55,542 --> 00:34:59,125
3514So, she brought in a couple
3515college-aged gymnasts,
3516
3517732
351800:34:59,208 --> 00:35:02,250
3519and they would explain,
3520"You know, his hands get close
3521
3522733
352300:35:02,333 --> 00:35:05,917
3524to certain areas, but they
3525never are inappropriate."
3526
3527734
352800:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,333
3529And I again, I said,
3530
3531735
353200:35:08,417 --> 00:35:11,417
3533"Well, that's not
3534what's happening to me.
3535
3536736
353700:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,208
3538His fingers are going inside."
3539
3540737
354100:35:13,291 --> 00:35:15,208
3542Then at that point,
3543they left the room.
3544
3545738
354600:35:15,291 --> 00:35:16,750
3547The other girl left the room.
3548
3549739
355000:35:16,834 --> 00:35:19,083
3551GREWAL: Coach Klages told
3552the other gymnast,
3553
3554740
355500:35:19,166 --> 00:35:21,959
3556"You're misinterpreting this.
3557I don't want to hear it,"
3558
3559741
356000:35:22,041 --> 00:35:24,875
3561and basically, shut her up.
3562
3563742
356400:35:24,959 --> 00:35:26,667
3565But Larissa still stood
3566her ground.
3567
3568743
356900:35:26,750 --> 00:35:30,792
3570I again said what was happening,
3571and she said,
3572
3573744
357400:35:30,875 --> 00:35:33,291
3575"Well, I could file this
3576
3577745
357800:35:33,375 --> 00:35:35,959
3579but there's going to be
3580very serious consequences
3581
3582746
358300:35:36,041 --> 00:35:38,709
3584for both you and Larry Nassar,
3585
3586747
358700:35:38,792 --> 00:35:40,959
3588and you need to really think
3589about this."
3590
3591748
359200:35:41,041 --> 00:35:45,208
3593And I just, I think I raised
3594my hands and said,
3595
3596749
359700:35:45,291 --> 00:35:46,959
3598"I don't want to get anybody
3599in trouble.
3600
3601750
360200:35:47,041 --> 00:35:50,875
3603That's not my intention."
3604And so, I went back out
3605
3606751
360700:35:50,959 --> 00:35:52,667
3608and I think I ran
3609into the bathroom
3610
3611752
361200:35:52,750 --> 00:35:56,333
3613and just cried
3614for the majority of practice.
3615
3616753
361700:35:56,417 --> 00:36:00,083
3618GREWAL: She intimidated her,
3619and it shut her down.
3620
3621754
362200:36:00,166 --> 00:36:02,917
3623Coach Klages
3624then didn't tell her parents,
3625
3626755
362700:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,125
3628but she did tell one person.
3629
3630756
363100:36:05,208 --> 00:36:07,041
3632She told Larry Nassar.
3633
3634757
363500:36:07,125 --> 00:36:10,625
3636BOYCE: So, my next appointment
3637with Larry, he walked in,
3638
3639758
364000:36:10,709 --> 00:36:13,125
3641he closed the door,
3642he sat on his little stool,
3643
3644759
364500:36:13,208 --> 00:36:15,917
3646and he said,
3647"So, I talked to Kathie."
3648
3649760
365000:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,041
3651And at that point my heart
3652just sank.
3653
3654761
365500:36:19,125 --> 00:36:23,250
3656I felt so embarrassed.
3657I felt so humiliated.
3658
3659762
366000:36:23,333 --> 00:36:25,500
3661He said, "Kathie told me
3662your concerns,
3663
3664763
366500:36:25,583 --> 00:36:28,333
3666and you know I'm doing this
3667to help you."
3668
3669764
367000:36:28,417 --> 00:36:30,917
3671And I remember saying,
3672"I'm so sorry.
3673
3674765
367500:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,375
3676This is all my fault.
3677It's all a big misunderstanding
3678
3679766
368000:36:34,458 --> 00:36:36,834
3681and I'm sorry."
3682
3683767
368400:36:36,917 --> 00:36:41,000
3685So, I just convinced myself
3686that I must be the problem
3687
3688768
368900:36:41,083 --> 00:36:43,458
3690and I just better suck it up.
3691
3692769
369300:36:43,542 --> 00:36:46,291
3694And then I hopped back up
3695on that table,
3696
3697770
369800:36:46,375 --> 00:36:50,917
3699and he continued to abuse me
3700for the next four years.
3701
3702771
370300:36:54,417 --> 00:36:56,959
3704HAMILTON: Adults prefer
3705and protect adults.
3706
3707772
370800:36:57,041 --> 00:36:58,875
3709We say we protect children,
3710
3711773
371200:36:58,959 --> 00:37:01,041
3713but children
3714are second-class citizens.
3715
3716774
371700:37:01,125 --> 00:37:02,959
3718They don't vote,
3719they don't have power,
3720
3721775
372200:37:03,041 --> 00:37:07,375
3723and it's so much easier
3724to let a child's needs go.
3725
3726776
372700:37:07,458 --> 00:37:10,125
3728It's really denial,
3729but it's also...
3730
3731777
373200:37:10,208 --> 00:37:13,709
3733they're protecting
3734the adult's livelihood.
3735
3736778
373700:37:13,792 --> 00:37:17,458
3738No one wants to destroy
3739a successful adult's life.
3740
3741779
374200:37:17,542 --> 00:37:19,500
3743And so, we put it off
3744and we put it off.
3745
3746780
374700:37:19,583 --> 00:37:25,792
3748Larissa Boyce um, told people
3749who worked for MSU in 1997.
3750
3751781
375200:37:26,542 --> 00:37:31,291
3753Uh. I was three in 1997.
3754
3755782
375600:37:31,375 --> 00:37:34,583
3757You know, that's impactful.
3758It could have been stopped.
3759
3760783
376100:37:34,667 --> 00:37:37,792
3762BOYCE: Kathie Klages knew that
3763there was a proper process
3764
3765784
376600:37:37,875 --> 00:37:40,208
3767that she should have taken
3768when she told me
3769
3770785
377100:37:40,291 --> 00:37:44,709
3772that she could file something,
3773but she chose not to.
3774
3775786
377600:37:44,792 --> 00:37:49,875
3777And so, I absolutely believe
3778that's on MSU.
3779
3780787
378100:37:49,959 --> 00:37:51,250
3782She was their employee.
3783
3784788
378500:37:51,333 --> 00:37:53,625
3786And then all of the other girls
3787who came forward
3788
3789789
379000:37:53,709 --> 00:37:57,250
3791and told trainers
3792or psychiatrists,
3793
3794790
379500:37:57,333 --> 00:38:01,458
3796all of them were at MSU,
3797MSU employees.
3798
3799791
380000:38:01,542 --> 00:38:04,750
3801GREWAL: They did not want
3802to believe a single girl.
3803
3804792
380500:38:04,834 --> 00:38:07,709
3806From 1997 to 2015,
3807
3808793
380900:38:07,792 --> 00:38:11,250
3810there were 17 incidents
3811of reporting,
3812
3813794
381400:38:11,333 --> 00:38:12,959
3815just to Michigan State alone.
3816
3817795
381800:38:13,041 --> 00:38:15,583
3819O'BRIEN:
3820In 2014, Amanda Thomashow,
3821
3822796
382300:38:15,667 --> 00:38:18,375
3824who had attended
3825Michigan State University,
3826
3827797
382800:38:18,458 --> 00:38:21,125
3829filed a Title IX complaint
3830against Larry Nassar,
3831
3832798
383300:38:21,208 --> 00:38:24,959
3834alleging that he had molested
3835her during a treatment session.
3836
3837799
383800:38:25,041 --> 00:38:27,583
3839AMANDA THOMASHOW: I told them
3840exactly what happened,
3841
3842800
384300:38:27,667 --> 00:38:33,875
3844that Nassar started to insert
3845his fingers into me
3846
3847801
384800:38:33,959 --> 00:38:37,750
3849and I pu-- stood up,
3850I pushed him off of me,
3851
3852802
385300:38:37,834 --> 00:38:40,750
3854and he ran to the corner
3855of the room
3856
3857803
385800:38:41,875 --> 00:38:43,333
3859to hide his erection.
3860
3861804
386200:38:45,917 --> 00:38:47,583
3863GREWAL:
3864Michigan State University
3865
3866805
386700:38:47,667 --> 00:38:50,291
3868investigated
3869through their OIE office,
3870
3871806
387200:38:50,375 --> 00:38:52,208
3873Office of
3874Institutional Equities,
3875
3876807
387700:38:52,291 --> 00:38:55,500
3878and they're supposed
3879to be impartial.
3880
3881808
388200:38:55,583 --> 00:38:58,917
3883In that investigation,
3884they allowed Larry Nassar
3885
3886809
388700:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,500
3888to pick four, quote,
3889
3890810
389100:39:01,583 --> 00:39:04,792
3892"independent
3893corroborating experts"
3894
3895811
389600:39:04,875 --> 00:39:07,417
3897of his so-called "treatment."
3898
3899812
390000:39:07,500 --> 00:39:11,542
3901Larry said that it was medical.
3902
3903813
390400:39:11,625 --> 00:39:14,166
3905I said that
3906it was sexual assault.
3907
3908814
390900:39:14,250 --> 00:39:18,125
3910And so, they asked some
3911of his friends
3912
3913815
391400:39:18,208 --> 00:39:19,959
3915what they thought.
3916
3917816
391800:39:20,041 --> 00:39:23,208
3919GREWAL: Three of the four were
3920his students or colleagues.
3921
3922817
392300:39:23,291 --> 00:39:26,542
3924One was a trainer.
3925He knew all of them.
3926
3927818
392800:39:26,625 --> 00:39:28,709
3929He hand-picked all of them
3930with the knowledge
3931
3932819
393300:39:28,792 --> 00:39:31,000
3934of his supervisor,
3935Dean Strampel.
3936
3937820
393800:39:31,083 --> 00:39:33,959
3939And what the report
3940finally said was that
3941
3942821
394300:39:34,041 --> 00:39:37,750
3944the young lady
3945misunderstood the nuances,
3946
3947822
394800:39:37,834 --> 00:39:39,500
3949and as a result,
3950
3951823
395200:39:39,583 --> 00:39:41,792
3953they found no violation.
3954
3955824
395600:39:41,875 --> 00:39:46,417
3957THOMASHOW: They left
3958the erection out of the report.
3959
3960825
396100:39:46,500 --> 00:39:51,417
3962They also left out the fact
3963that I pushed him off of me.
3964
3965826
396600:39:51,500 --> 00:39:56,834
3967I was 24. I knew what was
3968and was not appropriate.
3969
3970827
397100:40:01,083 --> 00:40:02,458
3972They gaslighted me.
3973
3974828
397500:40:03,959 --> 00:40:07,000
3976So,
3977this is the surprising thing.
3978
3979829
398000:40:07,083 --> 00:40:08,709
3981Two reports were generated.
3982
3983830
398400:40:08,792 --> 00:40:12,542
3985There was a report generated,
3986issued to Amanda Thomashow,
3987
3988831
398900:40:12,625 --> 00:40:14,542
3990and in that report, they say
3991
3992832
399300:40:14,625 --> 00:40:17,750
3994they find no violation of
3995the Sexual Harassment Policies.
3996
3997833
399800:40:17,834 --> 00:40:19,542
3999The report ends on page 22.
4000
4001834
400200:40:19,625 --> 00:40:21,750
4003Lo and behold,
4004here we are in civil litigation.
4005
4006835
400700:40:21,834 --> 00:40:23,375
4008You know what we find?
4009
4010836
401100:40:23,458 --> 00:40:25,959
4012(WHISPERS)
4013There's a page 23.
4014
4015837
401600:40:26,041 --> 00:40:30,041
4017Page 23 goes into
4018all the problems
4019
4020838
402100:40:30,125 --> 00:40:31,667
4022that potentially are there.
4023
4024839
402500:40:31,750 --> 00:40:34,291
4026It is opening the university up
4027to a liability,
4028
4029840
403000:40:34,375 --> 00:40:36,291
4031that they had better
4032have a chaperone in place,
4033
4034841
403500:40:36,375 --> 00:40:39,417
4036he'd better wear gloves, he'd
4037better have informed consent.
4038
4039842
404000:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,583
4041And they never turned
4042that report out for anybody.
4043
4044843
404500:40:41,667 --> 00:40:45,166
4046That report's internally kept
4047between Larry,
4048
4049844
405000:40:45,250 --> 00:40:47,917
4051Strampel, and the OIE office.
4052
4053845
405400:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,625
4055The three years surrounding
4056my investigation,
4057
4058846
405900:40:50,709 --> 00:40:53,709
4060my Title IX
4061was the only Title IX
4062
4063847
406400:40:53,792 --> 00:40:57,333
4065that produced
4066two separate conclusions.
4067
4068848
406900:40:57,417 --> 00:41:00,208
4070GREWAL: So, Larry Nassar
4071was put on leave 90 days.
4072
4073849
407400:41:00,291 --> 00:41:02,834
4075That's how long
4076the OIE investigation was.
4077
4078850
407900:41:02,917 --> 00:41:05,375
4080But in the end, Dean Strampel
4081put it in an email,
4082
4083851
408400:41:05,458 --> 00:41:06,917
4085"glad to have you back."
4086
4087852
408800:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,041
4089"Please, Larry, just follow
4090these restrictions."
4091
4092853
409300:41:10,125 --> 00:41:13,375
4094Dean Strampel put restrictions
4095on Larry Nassar.
4096
4097854
409800:41:13,458 --> 00:41:16,083
4099THOMASHOW: Simple rules
4100like explain the procedure,
4101
4102855
410300:41:16,166 --> 00:41:20,125
4104wear gloves, have somebody else
4105present in the room.
4106
4107856
410800:41:20,208 --> 00:41:23,792
4109GREWAL: But Dean Strampel,
4110he never followed up.
4111
4112857
411300:41:23,875 --> 00:41:25,792
4114We've spoken
4115to the support personnel
4116
4117858
411800:41:25,875 --> 00:41:29,875
4119at the clinical center,
4120who were there after 2014,
4121
4122859
412300:41:29,959 --> 00:41:31,417
4124who were never informed
4125of these procedures
4126
4127860
412800:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,625
4129that Dean Strampel was supposed
4130to inform everybody.
4131
4132861
413300:41:33,709 --> 00:41:36,375
4134And at the same time, we have a
4135criminal investigation going on
4136
4137862
413800:41:36,458 --> 00:41:38,208
4139by the Ingham County
4140prosecutor's office.
4141
4142863
414300:41:38,291 --> 00:41:40,291
4144NASSAR:
4145The patient was concerned
4146
4147864
414800:41:40,375 --> 00:41:41,959
4149that I was inappropriately
4150touching her
4151
4152865
415300:41:42,041 --> 00:41:44,500
4154-and didn't understand why.
4155-OFFICER: Okay.
4156
4157866
415800:41:44,583 --> 00:41:47,291
4159Like, you know, "He was,
4160you know, touching me
4161
4162867
416300:41:47,375 --> 00:41:50,667
4164in my private areas," you know,
4165and she didn't understand why.
4166
4167868
416800:41:50,750 --> 00:41:52,333
4169And that's--
4170those are two things
4171
4172869
417300:41:52,417 --> 00:41:56,542
4174that confused me because I-- I--
4175I do this on a regular basis.
4176
4177870
417800:41:56,625 --> 00:41:58,333
4179-OFFICER: Okay.
4180-This is, this a treatment
4181
4182871
418300:41:58,417 --> 00:42:00,041
4184that I-- that I lecture on.
4185
4186872
418700:42:00,125 --> 00:42:03,667
4188I lecture on, not only here
4189at Michigan State
4190
4191873
419200:42:03,750 --> 00:42:06,333
4193to the fellows and residents
4194and medical students,
4195
4196874
419700:42:06,417 --> 00:42:10,083
4198but to, um, uh,
4199national organizations.
4200
4201875
420200:42:10,166 --> 00:42:13,667
4203GREWAL: Shouldn't
4204a prosecuting attorney office
4205
4206876
420700:42:13,750 --> 00:42:17,000
4208bring in outside experts?
4209
4210877
421100:42:17,083 --> 00:42:19,083
4212You know whose experts
4213they used?
4214
4215878
421600:42:19,166 --> 00:42:20,959
4217Michigan State University's,
4218
4219879
422000:42:21,041 --> 00:42:23,208
4221experts that Larry Nassar
4222hand-picked.
4223
4224880
422500:42:23,291 --> 00:42:27,208
4226They believed the status
4227of Larry Nassar.
4228
4229881
423000:42:27,291 --> 00:42:30,583
4231And once again, they also found
4232there was no sexual assault.
4233
4234882
423500:42:30,667 --> 00:42:33,125
4236And they sent one
4237of the detectives over there
4238
4239883
424000:42:33,208 --> 00:42:35,125
4241to tell Larry,
4242"Make sure, in the future,
4243
4244884
424500:42:35,208 --> 00:42:37,792
4246you have somebody in the room,
4247and you wear gloves,
4248
4249885
425000:42:37,875 --> 00:42:39,583
4251and you explain
4252what's going on."
4253
4254886
425500:42:40,375 --> 00:42:42,083
4256So, 2014,
4257
4258887
425900:42:42,166 --> 00:42:44,834
4260you have all these restrictions
4261were put in place.
4262
4263888
426400:42:44,917 --> 00:42:46,458
4265The assaults
4266should have stopped.
4267
4268889
426900:42:47,625 --> 00:42:49,000
4270They didn't.
4271
4272890
427300:42:49,083 --> 00:42:51,917
4274I was a patient of his
4275before, during, and after
4276
4277891
427800:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,000
4279that Title IX investigation,
4280
4281892
428200:42:54,083 --> 00:42:55,792
4283where protocol was put
4284into place,
4285
4286893
428700:42:55,875 --> 00:42:59,125
4288that I wasn't made aware of,
4289and then not followed.
4290
4291894
429200:43:00,250 --> 00:43:01,542
4293Nothing changed.
4294
4295895
429600:43:01,625 --> 00:43:04,375
4297You know, ex-- what happened
4298during the visits
4299
4300896
430100:43:04,458 --> 00:43:07,875
4302was exactly the same
4303from when she started seeing him
4304
4305897
430600:43:07,959 --> 00:43:11,250
4307in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015.
4308
4309898
431000:43:11,333 --> 00:43:12,959
4311INTERVIEWER:
4312When did the incidents happen
4313
4314899
431500:43:13,041 --> 00:43:17,083
4316-with Larry Nassar?
4317-Um, in 2014.
4318
4319900
432000:43:17,166 --> 00:43:19,041
4321They didn't have him
4322follow the guidelines,
4323
4324901
432500:43:19,125 --> 00:43:22,417
4326and they didn't really put
4327a stop to it
4328
4329902
433000:43:22,500 --> 00:43:26,750
4331until so many people
4332came forward.
4333
4334903
433500:43:26,834 --> 00:43:29,291
4336GREWAL: Out of 90 of our
4337survivors that we represent,
4338
4339904
434000:43:29,375 --> 00:43:35,500
434128 of them were assaulted
4342during or after 2014,
4343
4344905
434500:43:35,583 --> 00:43:38,166
4346Title IX investigation
4347of Amanda Thomashow.
4348
4349906
435000:43:38,250 --> 00:43:41,417
4351But this is not just
4352Michigan State University.
4353
4354907
435500:43:41,500 --> 00:43:45,041
4356It goes to organization
4357that span this country,
4358
4359908
436000:43:45,125 --> 00:43:47,667
4361USOC, USAG.
4362
4363909
436400:43:47,750 --> 00:43:49,709
4365INTERVIEWER:
4366Do we know when USAG
4367
4368910
436900:43:49,792 --> 00:43:52,041
4370knew about
4371Larry Nassar's predilections?
4372
4373911
437400:43:54,291 --> 00:43:56,375
4375Well, we know for a fact
4376it was 2015.
4377
4378912
437900:43:58,875 --> 00:44:00,959
4380O'BRIEN: Spring 2015,
4381
4382913
438300:44:01,041 --> 00:44:04,917
4384Maggie Nichols, gymnast
4385on the U.S. National Team
4386
4387914
438800:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,542
4389was at the KÃ¡rolyi Ranch for one
4390of the monthly training camps.
4391
4392915
439300:44:09,625 --> 00:44:12,083
4394And she was with Aly Raisman.
4395
4396916
439700:44:12,166 --> 00:44:14,250
4398And Maggie said out loud,
4399
4400917
440100:44:14,333 --> 00:44:16,917
4402"What's with this technique
4403he does?
4404
4405918
440600:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,417
4407Like why does he put his finger
4408inside me?
4409
4410919
441100:44:19,500 --> 00:44:21,000
4412I'm not sure it's helping."
4413
4414920
441500:44:21,083 --> 00:44:24,458
4416And Maggie Nichols's coach
4417happened to be within earshot
4418
4419921
442000:44:24,542 --> 00:44:26,333
4421and was alarmed by this.
4422
4423922
442400:44:26,417 --> 00:44:29,667
4425There was a report made
4426to USA Gymnastics.
4427
4428923
442900:44:29,750 --> 00:44:31,667
4430Steve Penny sat on it
4431for a few weeks.
4432
4433924
443400:44:31,750 --> 00:44:34,750
4435MOCEANU: USA Gymnastics
4436former president, Steve Penny,
4437
4438925
443900:44:34,834 --> 00:44:38,250
4440was notified
4441that a gymnast was assaulted
4442
4443926
444400:44:38,333 --> 00:44:39,667
4445at the national team camp.
4446
4447927
444800:44:39,750 --> 00:44:42,583
4449Why on Earth
4450did they not report him then?
4451
4452928
445300:44:42,667 --> 00:44:46,000
4454O'BRIEN: Maggie Nichols's
4455mother was told by Steve Penny,
4456
4457929
445800:44:46,083 --> 00:44:48,125
4459"Don't do anything.
4460Don't report it.
4461
4462930
446300:44:48,208 --> 00:44:49,667
4464We're going to handle this
4465internally.
4466
4467931
446800:44:49,750 --> 00:44:51,458
4469We don't know yet
4470if we need to report this."
4471
4472932
447300:44:51,542 --> 00:44:56,000
4474They waited for five weeks
4475before they went to the FBI.
4476
4477933
447800:44:56,083 --> 00:44:58,000
4479Five weeks.
4480
4481934
448200:44:58,083 --> 00:45:01,000
4483When you have gymnasts
4484telling you that Larry's doing
4485
4486935
448700:45:01,083 --> 00:45:04,667
4488these manipulations every day,
4489sometimes twice a day,
4490
4491936
449200:45:04,750 --> 00:45:07,709
4493five weeks is a long time
4494to be sitting on the knowledge
4495
4496937
449700:45:07,792 --> 00:45:10,500
4498that Larry Nassar is--
4499is a sexual predator.
4500
4501938
450200:45:10,583 --> 00:45:12,959
4503O'BEIRNE: They waited five week
4504because they did their own
4505
4506939
450700:45:13,041 --> 00:45:15,375
4508internal investigation
4509as to whether or not
4510
4511940
451200:45:15,458 --> 00:45:17,917
4513this was sexual abuse or not.
4514
4515941
451600:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,875
4517O'BRIEN:
4518After an internal investigator
4519
4520942
452100:45:19,959 --> 00:45:22,333
4522told Steve Penny, "You really
4523have a problem here.
4524
4525943
452600:45:22,417 --> 00:45:23,917
4527You have to go to the FBI,"
4528
4529944
453000:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,875
4531Steve Penny
4532called Scott Blackmun,
4533
4534945
453500:45:26,959 --> 00:45:29,875
4536the chief executive
4537of the US Olympic Committee.
4538
4539946
454000:45:29,959 --> 00:45:32,542
4541The Olympic Committee legally is
4542responsible for the safety
4543
4544947
454500:45:32,625 --> 00:45:34,417
4546of the athletes at the Olympics.
4547
4548948
454900:45:34,500 --> 00:45:37,417
4550And Steve Penny said
4551to Scott Blackman
4552
4553949
455400:45:37,500 --> 00:45:38,792
4555something to the effect of,
4556
4557950
455800:45:38,875 --> 00:45:40,417
4559"We have a member
4560of our medical staff
4561
4562951
456300:45:40,500 --> 00:45:43,375
4564who's been accused
4565of improper contact.
4566
4567952
456800:45:43,458 --> 00:45:46,375
4569I'm going to report it
4570to the FBI."
4571
4572953
457300:45:46,458 --> 00:45:50,208
4574Scott Blackmun has said to us
4575that he told Steve Penny,
4576
4577954
457800:45:50,291 --> 00:45:51,709
4579"Definitely report this,"
4580
4581955
458200:45:51,792 --> 00:45:54,083
4583-and Steve Penny did.
4584-INTERVIEWER: Is that enough?
4585
4586956
458700:45:54,166 --> 00:45:56,250
4588I mean, that's a--
4589that's a question.
4590
4591957
459200:45:56,333 --> 00:45:58,667
4593Of course, we want to say "no"
4594because of what happened
4595
4596958
459700:45:58,750 --> 00:46:01,000
4598in the subsequent year.
4599N-- he-- nothing happened.
4600
4601959
460200:46:01,083 --> 00:46:05,917
4603The USOC had tremendous
4604responsibility as the top
4605
4606960
460700:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,583
4608of all of Olympic sports
4609in the United States.
4610
4611961
461200:46:09,667 --> 00:46:11,500
4613And the USOC has had
4614
4615962
461600:46:11,583 --> 00:46:14,959
4617inadequate child protection
4618policies for years.
4619
4620963
462100:46:15,041 --> 00:46:18,208
4622There's been a problem
4623in gymnastics with sexual abuse
4624
4625964
462600:46:18,291 --> 00:46:21,250
4627and with physical abuse
4628for decades.
4629
4630965
463100:46:21,333 --> 00:46:22,834
4632O'BRIEN: In 1999,
4633
4634966
463500:46:22,917 --> 00:46:26,000
4636the then-president of
4637USA Gymnastics, Bob Colarossi,
4638
4639967
464000:46:26,083 --> 00:46:28,083
4641wrote a letter to the USOC
4642
4643968
464400:46:28,166 --> 00:46:30,458
4645raising concerns
4646about their method
4647
4648969
464900:46:30,542 --> 00:46:33,625
4650of handling allegations
4651of abuses by coaches,
4652
4653970
465400:46:33,709 --> 00:46:35,625
4655saying, the way
4656the system works
4657
4658971
465900:46:35,709 --> 00:46:37,917
4660is going to get us in trouble.
4661
4662972
466300:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,834
4664Scott Blackmun
4665was on that letter.
4666
4667973
466800:46:40,917 --> 00:46:42,291
4669HAMILTON: They knew it.
4670
4671974
467200:46:42,375 --> 00:46:44,166
4673They knew they needed
4674a better system,
4675
4676975
467700:46:44,250 --> 00:46:46,959
4678and they sat on their hands.
4679
4680976
468100:46:47,041 --> 00:46:49,375
4682GREWAL: Nassar, he actually
4683was allowed to resign
4684
4685977
468600:46:49,458 --> 00:46:52,291
4687from USA Gymnastics and said
4688he's taking his leave of absence
4689
4690978
469100:46:52,375 --> 00:46:55,625
4692and thanked them
4693and left on his own terms.
4694
4695979
469600:46:55,709 --> 00:46:58,208
4697O'BRIEN:
4698But Nassar is back in Michigan,
4699
4700980
470100:46:58,291 --> 00:46:59,625
4702still treating patients.
4703
4704981
470500:46:59,709 --> 00:47:01,583
4706He continued to do that
4707for more than a year
4708
4709982
471000:47:01,667 --> 00:47:03,041
4711after that in Michigan.
4712
4713983
471400:47:03,125 --> 00:47:06,291
4715Wouldn't USA Gymnastics
4716tell Michigan State University
4717
4718984
471900:47:06,375 --> 00:47:08,542
4720there's an investigation on?
4721They didn't tell them.
4722
4723985
472400:47:08,625 --> 00:47:10,083
4725You know, there are
4726many missed opportunities
4727
4728986
472900:47:10,166 --> 00:47:11,917
4730for people to be informed
4731about this.
4732
4733987
473400:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,375
4735And what nobody knew
4736at USA Gymnastics
4737
4738988
473900:47:16,458 --> 00:47:19,625
4740was that the FBI never inve--
4741even opened an investigation.
4742
4743989
474400:47:19,709 --> 00:47:22,333
4745I mean, it went to the FBI
4746in Indianapolis.
4747
4748990
474900:47:22,417 --> 00:47:25,417
4750The FBI in Indianapolis said,
4751"We're gonna kick this over
4752
4753991
475400:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,834
4755to the Detroit office,"
4756and then it died there.
4757
4758992
475900:47:28,917 --> 00:47:31,291
4760The FBI in Indianapolis
4761doesn't seem to have taken
4762
4763993
476400:47:31,375 --> 00:47:33,542
4765their allegations
4766very seriously.
4767
4768994
476900:47:33,625 --> 00:47:37,500
4770We also don't know exactly
4771what Steve Penny told them.
4772
4773995
477400:47:37,583 --> 00:47:42,583
4775GREWAL: MSU, USAG, USOC,
4776Twistars, and the FBI,
4777
4778996
477900:47:42,667 --> 00:47:45,500
4780all these organizations,
4781they knew.
4782
4783997
478400:47:45,583 --> 00:47:47,834
4785Every organization had a chance
4786to stop.
4787
4788998
478900:47:47,917 --> 00:47:51,250
4790O'BEIRNE: All that time, Nassar
4791was still working at MSU.
4792
4793999
479400:47:51,333 --> 00:47:53,125
4795He was still working for Holt,
4796
47971000
479800:47:53,208 --> 00:47:55,667
4799the school district
4800that he was working for.
4801
48021001
480300:47:55,750 --> 00:47:59,875
4804He was treating people nonstop
4805
48061002
480700:47:59,959 --> 00:48:03,000
4808until Rachael Denhollander
4809came forward.
4810
48111003
481200:48:04,625 --> 00:48:06,125
4813-NASSAR: Sorry.
4814-ANDREA MUNFORD:
4815
48161004
481700:48:06,208 --> 00:48:07,792
4818NASSAR:
4819
48201005
482100:48:08,792 --> 00:48:10,291
4822-MUNFORD:
4823-NASSAR: Yeah.
4824
48251006
482600:48:10,375 --> 00:48:11,625
4827MUNFORD:
4828
48291007
483000:48:16,792 --> 00:48:18,125
4831-NASSAR:
4832-MUNFORD:
4833
48341008
483500:48:18,208 --> 00:48:19,834
4836NASSAR:
4837
48381009
483900:48:21,792 --> 00:48:23,750
4840MUNFORD:
4841
48421010
484300:48:25,834 --> 00:48:26,792
4844NASSAR:
4845
48461011
484700:48:26,875 --> 00:48:27,959
4848MUNFORD: Okay.
4849
48501012
485100:48:33,458 --> 00:48:34,500
4852MUNFORD: Mm-hmm.
4853
48541013
485500:48:37,667 --> 00:48:39,333
4856MUNFORD:
4857
48581014
485900:48:39,875 --> 00:48:41,875
4860NASSAR:
4861
48621015
486300:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,166
4864(CHUCKLES)
4865
48661016
486700:48:48,500 --> 00:48:49,709
4868-MUNFORD: Okay.
4869-NASSAR:
4870
48711017
487200:48:52,709 --> 00:48:53,834
4873MUNFORD: Right.
4874
48751018
487600:48:56,709 --> 00:48:58,000
4877-NASSAR:
4878-MUNFORD:
4879
48801019
488100:49:00,333 --> 00:49:01,709
4882NASSAR:
4883
48841020
488500:49:01,792 --> 00:49:04,333
4886I was a patient
4887of Dr. Nassar in 2000,
4888
48891021
489000:49:04,417 --> 00:49:07,875
4891and at age 15, was repeatedly
4892sexually assaulted by him
4893
48941022
489500:49:07,959 --> 00:49:09,583
4896under the guise
4897of medical treatment
4898
48991023
490000:49:09,667 --> 00:49:11,041
4901and medical examination.
4902
49031024
490400:49:11,125 --> 00:49:14,250
4905Rachael Denhollander was not
4906an Olympian, but, um,
4907
49081025
490900:49:14,333 --> 00:49:19,083
4910an advanced level gymnast,
4911who in the summer of 2016
4912
49131026
491400:49:19,166 --> 00:49:20,917
4915became the first person
4916
49171027
491800:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,709
4919to openly name Larry Nassar
4920as an abuser.
4921
49221028
492300:49:24,792 --> 00:49:28,709
4924She was inspired to do this
4925by a series that ran
4926
49271029
492800:49:28,792 --> 00:49:30,291
4929in The Indianapolis Star.
4930
49311030
493200:49:30,375 --> 00:49:32,750
4933There's a troubling report
4934in USA Today  network
4935
49361031
493700:49:32,834 --> 00:49:34,583
4938and The Indianapolis Star.
4939
49401032
494100:49:34,667 --> 00:49:37,208
4942The governing body
4943for American gymnastics
4944
49451033
494600:49:37,291 --> 00:49:39,875
4947is accused of routinely
4948protecting coaches
4949
49501034
495100:49:39,959 --> 00:49:43,000
4952who are accused of sexually
4953abusing young athletes.
4954
49551035
495600:49:43,083 --> 00:49:45,125
4957O'BRIEN: Rachael Denhollander
4958read this article,
4959
49601036
496100:49:45,208 --> 00:49:47,250
4962and she had been,
4963over the years,
4964
49651037
496600:49:47,333 --> 00:49:49,959
4967coming to terms
4968with this "treatment"
4969
49701038
497100:49:50,041 --> 00:49:52,208
4972that she had been subjected to
4973
49741039
497500:49:52,291 --> 00:49:55,125
4976by Larry Nassar
4977more than a decade earlier,
4978
49791040
498000:49:55,208 --> 00:49:57,959
4981and she reached out
4982to a reporter.
4983
49841041
498500:49:58,041 --> 00:49:59,458
4986REPORTER 3:
4987Rachael Denhollander
4988
49891042
499000:49:59,542 --> 00:50:01,500
4991told  The Indianapolis Star
4992newspaper
4993
49941043
499500:50:01,583 --> 00:50:03,709
4996that Nassar
4997sexually assaulted her
4998
49991044
500000:50:03,792 --> 00:50:05,458
5001when she was 15 years old,
5002
50031045
500400:50:05,542 --> 00:50:08,667
5005taking part
5006in club gymnastics in Michigan.
5007
50081046
500900:50:08,750 --> 00:50:12,542
5010O'BRIEN: Ultimately,
5011one other former Olympian spoke
5012
50131047
501400:50:12,625 --> 00:50:14,542
5015anonymously
5016in the original article
5017
50181048
501900:50:14,625 --> 00:50:17,208
5020and identified Larry
5021as an abuser.
5022
50231049
502400:50:17,291 --> 00:50:21,083
5025When someone comes public
5026and puts it in a major newspaper
5027
50281050
502900:50:21,166 --> 00:50:24,792
5030that this guy, who's employed
5031by your university,
5032
50331051
503400:50:24,875 --> 00:50:26,750
5035um, sexually abused her,
5036
50371052
503800:50:26,834 --> 00:50:29,000
5039and you have two people
5040talking about it,
5041
50421053
504300:50:29,083 --> 00:50:30,417
5044that carries a lot of weight.
5045
50461054
504700:50:30,500 --> 00:50:32,333
5048Two gymnasts
5049have accused Dr. Larry Nassar
5050
50511055
505200:50:32,417 --> 00:50:34,083
5053of sexually abusing them
5054during treatment.
5055
50561056
505700:50:34,166 --> 00:50:36,333
5058REPORTER: One of women
5059has filed a criminal complaint
5060
50611057
506200:50:36,417 --> 00:50:38,583
5063against Nassar
5064with Michigan Police.
5065
50661058
506700:50:38,667 --> 00:50:42,041
5068The other has filed
5069a lawsuit in California.
5070
50711059
507200:50:42,125 --> 00:50:46,291
5073I read the headline,
5074and I laughed in disbelief.
5075
50761060
507700:50:46,375 --> 00:50:49,875
5078I was like, "There is no way."
5079Like, "He is a saint."
5080
50811061
508200:50:49,959 --> 00:50:51,291
5083'Cause at that point,
5084
50851062
508600:50:51,375 --> 00:50:52,750
5087even though I didn't like
5088the treatments,
5089
50901063
509100:50:52,834 --> 00:50:54,291
5092I really thought that he had
5093
50941064
509500:50:54,375 --> 00:50:56,166
5096been helping me
5097this whole time.
5098
50991065
510000:50:56,250 --> 00:50:59,625
5101I actually defended him at first
5102'cause I knew that--
5103
51041066
510500:50:59,709 --> 00:51:03,792
5106well, I was told that this was
5107a valid medical procedure
5108
51091067
511000:51:03,875 --> 00:51:07,542
5111and I was brainwashed
5112and conditioned into b--
5113
51141068
511500:51:07,625 --> 00:51:10,709
5116to believing that
5117for the past 20 years,
5118
51191069
512000:51:10,792 --> 00:51:13,375
5121I think, in order
5122to just survive through it.
5123
51241070
512500:51:13,458 --> 00:51:16,375
5126And so, I defended him.
5127
51281071
512900:51:16,458 --> 00:51:18,875
5130HOMER: Trinea came home,
5131and we both just said,
5132
51331072
513400:51:18,959 --> 00:51:21,875
5135"This cannot be."
5136She's like, "There's no way."
5137
51381073
513900:51:21,959 --> 00:51:23,750
5140It's Larry. It's Larry.
5141
51421074
514300:51:23,834 --> 00:51:26,083
5144If you know Larry, there's
5145no way it can be Larry."
5146
51471075
514800:51:26,166 --> 00:51:28,208
5149And it actually made me mad.
5150I was like,
5151
51521076
515300:51:28,291 --> 00:51:32,250
5154"How dare you accuse
5155such a kind person
5156
51571077
515800:51:32,333 --> 00:51:36,083
5159of doing such
5160an extremely awful thing?
5161
51621078
516300:51:36,166 --> 00:51:37,709
5164Um. And I didn't read
5165the article
5166
51671079
516800:51:37,792 --> 00:51:39,542
5169'cause I was
5170in a dance rehearsal at college.
5171
51721080
517300:51:39,625 --> 00:51:42,333
5174But then when I was by myself
5175after that rehearsal,
5176
51771081
517800:51:42,417 --> 00:51:44,875
5179I started reading
5180through the article,
5181
51821082
518300:51:44,959 --> 00:51:47,959
5184and Rachael Denhollander
5185had it to a tee.
5186
51871083
518800:51:48,041 --> 00:51:49,917
5189She described
5190my whole experience,
5191
51921084
519300:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,959
5194weird commentary, no gloves,
5195internal techniques,
5196
51971085
519800:51:53,041 --> 00:51:56,959
5199followed by his response that
5200he never went internal, ever.
5201
52021086
520300:51:57,041 --> 00:51:59,709
5204He would never do that.
5205And I was like,
5206
52071087
520800:51:59,792 --> 00:52:04,166
5209"His story is very different
5210than my personal experience."
5211
52121088
521300:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,083
5214LIVINGSTON:
5215I was so embarrassed
5216
52171089
521800:52:07,166 --> 00:52:08,583
5219when it first started
5220coming out.
5221
52221090
522300:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,375
5224I didn't want to say anything.
5225I was like,
5226
52271091
522800:52:10,458 --> 00:52:14,917
5229"How did I let this happen?
5230How did I not know?"
5231
52321092
523300:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,375
5234The thing is, like,
5235my whole life, like,
5236
52371093
523800:52:17,458 --> 00:52:20,000
5239I've trained to be
5240smart as I can,
5241
52421094
524300:52:20,083 --> 00:52:23,583
5244as strong as I can,
5245and as fearless as I can.
5246
52471095
524800:52:23,667 --> 00:52:28,041
5249And like, in moments like that,
5250where those things happen,
5251
52521096
525300:52:29,500 --> 00:52:30,750
5254I was none of those things.
5255
52561097
525700:52:30,834 --> 00:52:33,667
5258And to me,
5259that was, like, soul-crushing.
5260
52611098
526200:52:33,750 --> 00:52:35,166
5263Over that night, my--
5264
52651099
526600:52:35,250 --> 00:52:36,875
5267the gears started shifting
5268in my head,
5269
52701100
527100:52:36,959 --> 00:52:40,583
5272realizing all this time
5273for seven years of my life
5274
52751101
527600:52:40,667 --> 00:52:43,583
5277that I thought it was medical
5278and helping me--
5279
52801102
528100:52:43,667 --> 00:52:45,959
5282and I literally walked around
5283praising his name,
5284
52851103
528600:52:46,041 --> 00:52:47,959
5287referring people to him.
5288
52891104
529000:52:48,041 --> 00:52:50,917
5291Now I've been referring people
5292to a monster.
5293
52941105
529500:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,709
5296GONCZAR: I started to have a
5297heavy guilt about other people
5298
52991106
530000:52:53,792 --> 00:52:56,250
5301that had come to me
5302when I was younger and saying,
5303
53041107
530500:52:56,333 --> 00:52:59,000
5306"You know, I'm confused.
5307Something happened to me,
5308
53091108
531000:52:59,083 --> 00:53:00,625
5311but, you know, do you know
5312anything about this?"
5313
53141109
531500:53:00,709 --> 00:53:02,417
5316I'm like, "Oh yeah,
5317it happens to me all the time.
5318
53191110
532000:53:02,500 --> 00:53:04,458
5321He does it to me all the time.
5322You're good.
5323
53241111
532500:53:04,542 --> 00:53:06,208
5326You don't have to worry.
5327It's not weird.
5328
53291112
533000:53:06,291 --> 00:53:08,291
5331You're not the only one...
5332
53331113
533400:53:08,375 --> 00:53:11,667
5335He does it to me all the time.
5336So, you're good."
5337
53381114
533900:53:11,750 --> 00:53:13,500
5340And then thinking like,
5341"Oh my God,
5342
53431115
534400:53:13,583 --> 00:53:15,583
5345like, did I just silence
5346these people?
5347
53481116
534900:53:16,875 --> 00:53:20,083
5350Like, did I stop them
5351from stopping him?"
5352
53531117
535400:53:22,041 --> 00:53:23,208
5355I did.
5356
53571118
535800:53:25,083 --> 00:53:27,375
5359INTERVIEWER: That's because
5360you didn't know what it was.
5361
53621119
536300:53:27,458 --> 00:53:29,917
5364I know. (SOBS) But I still did.
5365
53661120
536700:53:32,417 --> 00:53:36,667
5368POSTHUMA: I called
5369IndyStar and reported my story.
5370
53711121
537200:53:36,750 --> 00:53:38,583
5373And so obviously
5374they knew Rachael well,
5375
53761122
537700:53:38,667 --> 00:53:43,166
5378and I got to talk with Rachael
5379that first day that I found out.
5380
53811123
538200:53:43,250 --> 00:53:47,417
5383And she really spurred me on to
5384keep going to the next steps.
5385
53861124
538700:53:47,500 --> 00:53:48,959
5388Things developed pretty quickly.
5389
53901125
539100:53:49,041 --> 00:53:51,041
5392Rachael Denhollander filed
5393her complaint
5394
53951126
539600:53:51,125 --> 00:53:52,208
5397at the end of August
5398
53991127
540000:53:52,291 --> 00:53:53,959
5401and by the end of September,
5402
54031128
540400:53:54,041 --> 00:53:56,000
5405Larry Nassar had been fired
5406from Michigan State.
5407
54081129
540900:53:56,083 --> 00:53:57,875
5410REPORTER 4: Michigan State
5411University Police say
5412
54131130
541400:53:57,959 --> 00:54:00,000
5415about 50 women have now
5416come forward
5417
54181131
541900:54:00,083 --> 00:54:02,208
5420accusing the former
5421MSU associate professor
5422
54231132
542400:54:02,291 --> 00:54:03,750
5425of criminal sexual conduct.
5426
54271133
542800:54:03,834 --> 00:54:07,583
5429Michigan State University
5430Chief of Police, Jim Dunlap,
5431
54321134
543300:54:07,667 --> 00:54:10,709
5434and I are announcing today
5435criminal charges.
5436
54371135
543800:54:10,792 --> 00:54:12,250
5439O'BRIEN:
5440In November, he was charged
5441
54421136
544300:54:12,333 --> 00:54:14,125
5444by the Attorney General
5445in Michigan
5446
54471137
544800:54:14,208 --> 00:54:17,792
5449on state sex abuse charges
5450related to one victim,
5451
54521138
545300:54:17,875 --> 00:54:19,500
5454who was not a gymnast
5455he treated.
5456
54571139
545800:54:20,417 --> 00:54:23,166
5459â™ª (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) â™ª
5460
54611140
546200:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,750
5463POSTHUMA: The first time
5464he got put in jail,
5465
54661141
546700:54:30,834 --> 00:54:32,625
5468he bailed himself out
5469for a million dollars.
5470
54711142
547200:54:32,709 --> 00:54:36,709
5473He was a free citizen.
5474He's walking around town,
5475
54761143
547700:54:36,792 --> 00:54:40,333
5478still trying to be, um,
5479part of the council
5480
54811144
548200:54:40,417 --> 00:54:44,208
5483for Holt High School.
5484It's dividing the whole town.
5485
54861145
548700:54:44,291 --> 00:54:45,917
5488I had people I talked to
5489on the phone,
5490
54911146
549200:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,583
5493that couldn't even speak because
5494
54951147
549600:54:47,667 --> 00:54:50,250
5497they were best friends
5498with Nassar's wife.
5499
55001148
550100:54:50,333 --> 00:54:54,125
5502The Twistars community
5503is behind him 100 percent.
5504
55051149
550600:54:54,208 --> 00:54:56,750
5507And I have known him
5508before he even went
5509
55101150
551100:54:56,834 --> 00:55:00,291
5512to medical school.
5513And everything he's ever done
5514
55151151
551600:55:00,375 --> 00:55:03,208
5517for gymnastics and everything
5518I've ever seen him do
5519
55201152
552100:55:03,291 --> 00:55:06,583
5522has been nothing
5523but caring and sincere.
5524
55251153
552600:55:06,667 --> 00:55:09,625
5527There are hundreds of people
5528that support him 100 percent.
5529
55301154
553100:55:09,709 --> 00:55:11,792
5532We have received
5533countless emails
5534
55351155
553600:55:11,875 --> 00:55:14,625
5537and communications
5538from other doctors, physicians,
5539
55401156
554100:55:14,709 --> 00:55:18,041
5542physical therapists,
5543ex-patients,
5544
55451157
554600:55:18,125 --> 00:55:20,542
5547ex-coworkers supporting him.
5548
55491158
555000:55:20,625 --> 00:55:22,250
5551There's no doubt
5552he has a ton of support.
5553
55541159
555500:55:22,333 --> 00:55:25,166
5556I couldn't even go on Facebook
5557because people from my childhood
5558
55591160
556000:55:25,250 --> 00:55:28,250
5561were saying things
5562against me, essentially.
5563
55641161
556500:55:28,333 --> 00:55:30,125
5566Just decided to click
5567on the comments.
5568
55691162
557000:55:30,208 --> 00:55:32,625
5571"Oh, they're lying," or "They're
5572just in it for the money,"
5573
55741163
557500:55:32,709 --> 00:55:34,583
5576or, "Oh, they should have known
5577that happened."
5578
55791164
558000:55:34,667 --> 00:55:38,792
5581There's all these
5582weird emotions, you know,
5583
55841165
558500:55:38,875 --> 00:55:40,792
5586at the beginning
5587of September 2016,
5588
55891166
559000:55:40,875 --> 00:55:44,583
5591until the porn stuff came out
5592and then everyone silenced.
5593
55941167
559500:55:44,667 --> 00:55:46,500
5596SIMON SHAYKHET:
5597...FBI agents saying they found
5598
55991168
560000:55:46,583 --> 00:55:50,500
5601at least 37,000 thousand images
5602and videos of child pornography
5603
56041169
560500:55:50,583 --> 00:55:53,667
5606on hard drives belonging
5607to Dr. Larry Nassar.
5608
56091170
561000:55:53,750 --> 00:55:55,625
5611They were seized
5612during a recent search
5613
56141171
561500:55:55,709 --> 00:55:58,792
5616of the former MSU doctor's home
5617in Holt.
5618
56191172
562000:55:58,875 --> 00:56:02,667
5621I represented Dr. Nassar
5622in his criminal matters
5623
56241173
562500:56:02,750 --> 00:56:04,208
5626in Michigan
5627and in federal court.
5628
56291174
563000:56:04,291 --> 00:56:07,458
5631I believe law enforcement
5632said there were 37,000
5633
56341175
563500:56:07,542 --> 00:56:09,792
5636or more than 37,000 images.
5637
56381176
563900:56:09,875 --> 00:56:14,083
5640It sounds like a high volume
5641to people who are not familiar
5642
56431177
564400:56:14,166 --> 00:56:15,834
5645with these cases,
5646but in all honestly,
5647
56481178
564900:56:15,917 --> 00:56:17,083
5650it's not a high volume.
5651
56521179
565300:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,333
5654It makes me want to vomit.
5655
56561180
565700:56:20,417 --> 00:56:23,083
5658Were some of those pictures
5659some of these gymnasts
5660
56611181
566200:56:23,166 --> 00:56:24,375
5663and some of his patients,
5664
56651182
566600:56:24,458 --> 00:56:26,291
5667some people that he saw
5668at his house?
5669
56701183
567100:56:26,375 --> 00:56:27,625
5672Quite possibly so.
5673
56741184
567500:56:27,709 --> 00:56:29,792
5676I mean, I cared that
5677that was found,
5678
56791185
568000:56:29,875 --> 00:56:31,208
5681but what I mostly cared about,
5682
56831186
568400:56:31,291 --> 00:56:32,875
5685that he was in prison
5686without bail.
5687
56881187
568900:56:32,959 --> 00:56:36,542
5690Bond was revoked and Dr. Nassar
5691was, uh, locked up in jail.
5692
56931188
569400:56:36,625 --> 00:56:39,375
5695And so, it became more difficult
5696in terms of,
5697
56981189
569900:56:39,458 --> 00:56:40,959
5700you know, defending.
5701
57021190
570300:56:41,041 --> 00:56:43,375
5704INTERVIEWER: There was
5705no real way to mount a defense
5706
57071191
570800:56:43,458 --> 00:56:45,500
5709in the-- with the child porn.
5710
57111192
571200:56:47,250 --> 00:56:48,458
5713I can't answer that.
5714
57151193
571600:56:50,375 --> 00:56:52,417
5717â™ª (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) â™ª
5718
57191194
572000:56:58,583 --> 00:57:00,333
5721O'BRIEN: There was no more
5722reasonable doubt
5723
57241195
572500:57:00,417 --> 00:57:03,834
5726about this anymore.
5727And USA Gymnastics
5728
57291196
573000:57:03,917 --> 00:57:07,500
5731starts realizing this is not
5732going to get better quickly.
5733
57341197
573500:57:07,583 --> 00:57:10,417
5736The US Olympic Committee's board
5737is recommending
5738
57391198
574000:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,959
5741that USA Gymnastics president,
5742Steve Penny, resign.
5743
57441199
574500:57:15,041 --> 00:57:16,583
5746O'BRIEN:
5747Steve Penny lost his job,
5748
57491200
575000:57:16,667 --> 00:57:19,917
5751but he got a roughly
5752one-million-dollar payout.
5753
57541201
575500:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,041
5756Then fall of 2017 was when
5757the Harvey Weinstein allegations
5758
57591202
576000:57:24,125 --> 00:57:27,417
5761came out and we were
5762in the full throes
5763
57641203
576500:57:27,500 --> 00:57:29,417
5766of the "Me Too" movement.
5767
57681204
576900:57:29,500 --> 00:57:31,959
5770McKayla Maroney,
5771the gold medal Olympic gymnast.
5772
57731205
577400:57:32,041 --> 00:57:35,000
5775Maroney is now coming forward
5776to say that she was abused
5777
57781206
577900:57:35,083 --> 00:57:38,000
5780by the former doctor
5781for Team USA.
5782
57831207
578400:57:38,083 --> 00:57:41,583
5785Olympic gymnast, Aly Raisman,
5786said she is among
5787
57881208
578900:57:41,667 --> 00:57:43,917
5790the young women sexually abused
5791
57921209
579300:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,875
5794by a former physician
5795with USA Gymnastics.
5796
57971210
579800:57:46,959 --> 00:57:49,250
5799Four-time Olympic gold medalist
5800Simone Biles
5801
58021211
580300:57:49,333 --> 00:57:50,750
5804says she was sexually abused
5805
58061212
580700:57:50,834 --> 00:57:53,041
5808by a former USA Gymnastics
5809team doctor.
5810
58111213
581200:57:53,125 --> 00:57:55,875
5813She posted about it on Twitter
5814yesterday saying this,
5815
58161214
581700:57:55,959 --> 00:57:58,875
5818"I am not afraid
5819to tell my story anymore."
5820
58211215
582200:57:58,959 --> 00:58:02,792
5823These are some of the most
5824cherished, celebrated athletes
5825
58261216
582700:58:02,875 --> 00:58:06,166
5828in America, in the world.
5829And they're coming forward
5830
58311217
583200:58:06,250 --> 00:58:08,250
5833and saying,
5834"This also happened to me.
5835
58361218
583700:58:08,333 --> 00:58:11,250
5838We were also abused,
5839and right under the noses
5840
58411219
584200:58:11,333 --> 00:58:14,166
5843of the US Olympic Committee,
5844USA Gymnastics,
5845
58461220
584700:58:14,250 --> 00:58:16,166
5848and the American public.
5849This was happening
5850
58511221
585200:58:16,250 --> 00:58:21,625
5853while we were competing for you
5854in London and before then."
5855
58561222
585700:58:21,709 --> 00:58:24,250
5858Their public coming forward,
5859I think,
5860
58611223
586200:58:24,333 --> 00:58:25,917
5863the importance of that
5864can't be overstated.
5865
58661224
586700:58:26,875 --> 00:58:30,083
5868â™ª (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) â™ª
5869
58701225
587100:58:41,709 --> 00:58:42,875
5872BAILIFF: All rise.
5873
58741226
587500:58:46,166 --> 00:58:48,000
5876JUDGE ROSEMARIE AQUILINA:
5877Thank you. You may be seated.
5878
58791227
588000:58:48,083 --> 00:58:50,542
5881The attorneys asked
5882if I would take a plea,
5883
58841228
588500:58:50,625 --> 00:58:51,959
5886and I advised, "That's fine,
5887
58881229
588900:58:52,041 --> 00:58:53,542
5890but I'm going to let
5891everybody talk.
5892
58931230
589400:58:53,625 --> 00:58:56,125
5895Because he harmed
5896so many, not just the girls,
5897
58981231
589900:58:56,208 --> 00:58:58,875
5900but everybody
5901who touches this case."
5902
59031232
590400:58:58,959 --> 00:59:03,041
5905Victims will be allowed
5906to speak,
5907
59081233
590900:59:03,125 --> 00:59:06,792
5910and we'll continue until all
5911victims have had an opportunity.
5912
59131234
591400:59:06,875 --> 00:59:08,625
5915POSTHUMA: When the opportunity
5916posed for us
5917
59181235
591900:59:08,709 --> 00:59:12,458
5920to do our impact statements,
5921I was thankfully at a place
5922
59231236
592400:59:12,542 --> 00:59:15,709
5925where I knew that you don't need
5926to be shameful
5927
59281237
592900:59:15,792 --> 00:59:18,083
5930'cause it wasn't your fault,
5931and you don't need to live
5932
59331238
593400:59:18,166 --> 00:59:19,458
5935in that darkness anymore.
5936
59371239
593800:59:21,375 --> 00:59:24,291
5939â™ª (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) â™ª
5940
59411240
594200:59:33,375 --> 00:59:35,667
5943SMITH: You know, the day
5944of court, my alarm went off,
5945
59461241
594700:59:35,750 --> 00:59:38,417
5948and I have never been
5949in such a panic.
5950
59511242
595200:59:38,500 --> 00:59:42,208
5953Like, I felt like I was falling
5954off a cliff when I woke up.
5955
59561243
595700:59:42,291 --> 00:59:45,458
5958(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
5959
59601244
596100:59:48,583 --> 00:59:50,542
5962There were so many people
5963in there
5964
59651245
596600:59:50,625 --> 00:59:53,792
5967that were so heavily impacted
5968by what happened.
5969
59701246
597100:59:53,875 --> 00:59:56,250
5972SMITH: Every time a door opened,
5973we were all--  (GASPS)
5974
59751247
597600:59:56,333 --> 00:59:57,792
5977You know?
5978Like, I felt that tension
5979
59801248
598100:59:57,875 --> 01:00:00,333
5982and I felt everyone's eyes go
5983to the door immediately.
5984
59851249
598601:00:01,500 --> 01:00:03,875
5987(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
5988
59891250
599001:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,583
5991The first victim
5992will be publicly identified.
5993
59941251
599501:00:09,667 --> 01:00:12,000
5996-Miss Kyle Stephens.
5997-(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
5998
59991252
600001:00:13,917 --> 01:00:15,542
6001KYLE STEPHENS: Good morning.
6002
60031253
600401:00:15,625 --> 01:00:17,083
6005Up until this point,
6006
60071254
600801:00:17,166 --> 01:00:20,500
6009I've been known as Victim ZA,
6010or family friend.
6011
60121255
601301:00:20,583 --> 01:00:22,417
6014I was the first to testify
6015in this case
6016
60171256
601801:00:22,500 --> 01:00:24,542
6019and, wary of the attention
6020that could come with that,
6021
60221257
602301:00:24,625 --> 01:00:26,875
6024I asked for complete anonymity.
6025
60261258
602701:00:26,959 --> 01:00:28,750
6028I'm addressing you
6029publicly today
6030
60311259
603201:00:28,834 --> 01:00:31,750
6033as a final step
6034and statement to myself
6035
60361260
603701:00:31,834 --> 01:00:35,083
6038that I have nothing
6039to be ashamed of.
6040
60411261
604201:00:35,166 --> 01:00:37,333
6043My parents had become
6044close friends with Larry
6045
60461262
604701:00:37,417 --> 01:00:40,375
6048and his wife, Stephanie.
6049It was during this time--
6050
60511263
605201:00:40,458 --> 01:00:42,667
6053I estimate I was approximately
6054six years old--
6055
60561264
605701:00:42,750 --> 01:00:46,166
6058that Larry Nassar
6059began to sexually abuse me.
6060
60611265
606201:00:46,250 --> 01:00:49,083
6063He first exposed his penis to me
6064in a dark boiler room
6065
60661266
606701:00:49,166 --> 01:00:50,917
6068in the basement of his home.
6069
60701267
607101:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,125
6072He told me,
6073"If you ever want to see it,
6074
60751268
607601:00:53,208 --> 01:00:54,709
6077all you have to do is ask."
6078
60791269
608001:00:56,291 --> 01:00:57,917
6081Let me remind you
6082of the interests
6083
60841270
608501:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,875
6086of a six-year-old girl.
6087
60881271
608901:00:59,959 --> 01:01:03,125
6090My favorite TV show was
6091Clifford The Big Red Dog
6092
60931272
609401:01:03,208 --> 01:01:06,458
6095and my favorite book
6096was Junie B. Jones.
6097
60981273
609901:01:06,542 --> 01:01:08,667
6100I could not do
6101a multiplication problem
6102
61031274
610401:01:08,750 --> 01:01:11,458
6105and still had not lost
6106all my baby teeth.
6107
61081275
610901:01:11,542 --> 01:01:15,125
6110Someone of this maturity level
6111should not be sexually active,
6112
61131276
611401:01:15,208 --> 01:01:18,333
6115but I was.
6116Without my knowledge or consent,
6117
61181277
611901:01:18,417 --> 01:01:20,375
6120I had engaged
6121in my first sexual experience
6122
61231278
612401:01:20,458 --> 01:01:24,041
6125by kindergarten.
6126And it progressed from exposure
6127
61281279
612901:01:24,125 --> 01:01:28,333
6130to masturbating in front of me
6131while playing hide-and-go-seek,
6132
61331280
613401:01:28,417 --> 01:01:31,000
6135rubbing his bare penis
6136on my bare feet,
6137
61381281
613901:01:31,083 --> 01:01:33,583
6140and penetrating my vagina
6141with his fingers.
6142
61431282
614401:01:36,291 --> 01:01:39,458
6145It took a friend confiding
6146the details of her sexual abuse
6147
61481283
614901:01:39,542 --> 01:01:42,875
6150for me to realize
6151that something was wrong.
6152
61531284
615401:01:42,959 --> 01:01:45,208
6155I was 12 years old
6156when I told my parents,
6157
61581285
615901:01:45,291 --> 01:01:49,000
6160"When Larry rubs my feet,
6161he uses his penis."
6162
61631286
616401:01:49,083 --> 01:01:53,375
6165My parents confronted him,
6166and he denied any such action.
6167
61681287
616901:01:53,458 --> 01:01:56,458
6170Due to complex details
6171that I won't get into here,
6172
61731288
617401:01:58,041 --> 01:02:00,625
6175my parents chose
6176to believe Larry Nassar over me.
6177
61781289
617901:02:02,333 --> 01:02:05,041
6180I spent the years
6181between 12 and 18
6182
61831290
618401:02:05,125 --> 01:02:08,417
6185avoiding and detaching
6186from my family.
6187
61881291
618901:02:08,500 --> 01:02:12,875
6190To my father, someone who makes
6191such heinous false accusations
6192
61931292
619401:02:12,959 --> 01:02:14,458
6195is the worst type of person.
6196
61971293
619801:02:17,125 --> 01:02:19,667
6199His belief that I had lied
6200seeped into the foundation
6201
62021294
620301:02:19,750 --> 01:02:23,291
6204of our relationship. Every time
6205we got into a fight,
6206
62071295
620801:02:25,083 --> 01:02:27,834
6209he would tell me, "You need
6210to apologize to Larry."
6211
62121296
621301:02:32,166 --> 01:02:35,000
6214It wasn't until I was about
6215to leave for college
6216
62171297
621801:02:35,083 --> 01:02:37,542
6219that I took another chance
6220at clearing my name.
6221
62221298
622301:02:39,625 --> 01:02:41,750
6224Larry Nassar's actions
6225had already caused me
6226
62271299
622801:02:41,834 --> 01:02:46,917
6229significant anguish, but I hurt
6230worse as I watched my father
6231
62321300
623301:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,792
6234realize what he had put me
6235through.
6236
62371301
623801:02:51,583 --> 01:02:53,583
6239My father and I did our best
6240to patch up
6241
62421302
624301:02:53,667 --> 01:02:54,834
6244our tattered relationship
6245
62461303
624701:02:54,917 --> 01:02:57,667
6248before he committed suicide
6249in 2016.
6250
62511304
625201:03:03,959 --> 01:03:06,291
6253AQUILINA:
6254It was very painful.
6255
62561305
625701:03:09,125 --> 01:03:10,959
6258You could see it in their face.
6259
62601306
626101:03:11,834 --> 01:03:14,125
6262People were shaking, crying...
6263
62641307
626501:03:15,667 --> 01:03:17,667
6266just at the sight of Nassar.
6267
62681308
626901:03:19,500 --> 01:03:21,166
6270JORDYN WIEBER: I thought
6271that training for the Olympics
6272
62731309
627401:03:21,250 --> 01:03:24,250
6275would be the hardest thing
6276that I would ever have to do.
6277
62781310
627901:03:24,333 --> 01:03:27,166
6280But in fact, the hardest thing
6281I've ever had to do
6282
62831311
628401:03:27,250 --> 01:03:30,667
6285is process that I'm a victim
6286of Larry Nassar.
6287
62881312
628901:03:30,750 --> 01:03:34,667
6290As I listened,
6291I started getting angry,
6292
62931313
629401:03:34,750 --> 01:03:36,792
6295which I didn't want
6296to get angry.
6297
62981314
629901:03:36,875 --> 01:03:38,291
6300When the proceedings started,
6301
63021315
630301:03:38,375 --> 01:03:40,166
6304it was just like
6305any other court hearing.
6306
63071316
630801:03:40,250 --> 01:03:42,125
6309And really what happened
6310is every day,
6311
63121317
631301:03:42,208 --> 01:03:44,250
6314there were more and more girls
6315coming forward.
6316
63171318
631801:03:44,333 --> 01:03:47,250
6319ANGELA POVILAITIS:
6320The next survivor you will hear
6321from is Amanda Thomashow.
6322
63231319
632401:03:47,333 --> 01:03:49,750
6325-LINDSEY LEMKE: Lindsey Lemke.
6326-POVILAITIS: Jessica Smith,
6327
63281320
632901:03:49,834 --> 01:03:52,291
6330and she has agreed
6331to be publicly identified.
6332
63331321
633401:03:52,375 --> 01:03:55,625
6335Normally, there are not
6336people applauding.
6337
63381322
633901:03:55,709 --> 01:03:58,250
6340(APPLAUSE)
6341
63421323
634301:03:59,750 --> 01:04:01,709
6344People booing
6345the defense lawyers.
6346
63471324
634801:04:01,792 --> 01:04:04,667
6349My office and my family
6350were getting death threats.
6351
63521325
635301:04:04,750 --> 01:04:07,750
6354My co-counsel was getting
6355death threats on his children.
6356
63571326
635801:04:09,917 --> 01:04:14,917
6359At times, I was very fearful
6360of just the vulnerability
6361
63621327
636301:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,834
6364coming out into fighting.
6365
63661328
636701:04:16,917 --> 01:04:19,542
6368It felt like you were really
6369a part of a mob.
6370
63711329
637201:04:19,625 --> 01:04:22,667
6373And it was just adding like
6374a constant fuel to a fire.
6375
63761330
637701:04:22,750 --> 01:04:26,375
6378It's almost like that kind
6379of an explosion was inevitable.
6380
63811331
638201:04:28,375 --> 01:04:30,208
6383REPORTER 5: Gymnastics doctor
6384who has admitted
6385
63861332
638701:04:30,291 --> 01:04:31,959
6388to sexually assaulting
6389young girls,
6390
63911333
639201:04:32,041 --> 01:04:33,500
6393claiming
6394it was medical treatment,
6395
63961334
639701:04:33,583 --> 01:04:35,417
6398back in court today.
6399
64001335
640101:04:35,500 --> 01:04:39,125
6402Judge, I would ask you to,
6403as part of the sentencing,
6404
64051336
640601:04:40,458 --> 01:04:42,041
6407to grant me five minutes
6408
64091337
641001:04:42,125 --> 01:04:45,375
6411in a locked room
6412with this demon.
6413
64141338
641501:04:45,458 --> 01:04:47,667
6416-I have given--
6417-Would you do that?
6418
64191339
642001:04:47,750 --> 01:04:49,041
6421JUDGE JANICE CUNNINGHAM:
6422
64231340
642401:04:49,125 --> 01:04:50,709
6425-Yes or no?
6426-CUNNINGHAM:
6427
64281341
642901:04:50,792 --> 01:04:53,250
6430-Would you give me one minute?
6431-(UNCOMFORTABLE CHUCKLES)
6432
64331342
643401:04:54,125 --> 01:04:56,333
6435CUNNINGHAM:
6436
64371343
643801:04:56,417 --> 01:04:59,000
6439-Well, I'm gonna have to just--
6440-(SURPRISED SHOUTS)
6441
64421344
644301:05:03,333 --> 01:05:05,041
6444RANDALL MARGRAVES:
6445Let me at that son of a bitch.
6446
64471345
644801:05:05,125 --> 01:05:06,542
6449OFFICER 2: I understand,
6450but stay down.
6451
64521346
645301:05:06,625 --> 01:05:08,458
6454MARGRAVES: Give me one minute
6455with that bastard.
6456
64571347
645801:05:10,250 --> 01:05:11,583
6459One minute.
6460
64611348
646201:05:11,667 --> 01:05:14,375
6463OFFICER 2: Relax, sir. Relax.
6464Take it easy, buddy.
6465
64661349
646701:05:14,458 --> 01:05:18,166
6468Just relax. 1, 2, 3.
6469
64701350
647101:05:19,792 --> 01:05:21,750
6472What if this happened
6473to you guys' daughters?
6474
64751351
647601:05:21,834 --> 01:05:24,250
6477-(WOMAN BREATHING HEAVILY)
6478-CUNNINGHAM: You can't do that.
6479
64801352
648101:05:24,333 --> 01:05:25,959
6482You cannot behave like that.
6483
64841353
648501:05:43,458 --> 01:05:45,125
6486"I'm very concerned...
6487
64881354
648901:05:46,667 --> 01:05:50,542
6490about my ability to be able
6491to face witnesses
6492
64931355
649401:05:50,625 --> 01:05:52,667
6495this next four days mentally."
6496
64971356
649801:05:54,250 --> 01:05:57,333
6499The letter he wrote me
6500was all about him,
6501
65021357
650301:05:57,417 --> 01:06:00,000
6504him wanting to be in control.
6505
65061358
650701:06:00,083 --> 01:06:04,041
6508Sir, there's a few sentences
6509in here that concern me.
6510
65111359
651201:06:06,709 --> 01:06:08,250
6513Your letter states,
6514
65151360
651601:06:08,333 --> 01:06:11,166
6517"Now, Aquilina is having
6518a four-day...
6519
65201361
652101:06:12,208 --> 01:06:15,709
6522sentencing media circus.
6523
65241362
652501:06:15,792 --> 01:06:20,792
6526She wants me to sit
6527in the witness box next to her
6528
65291363
653001:06:20,875 --> 01:06:23,583
6531for all four days
6532so the media cameras
6533
65341364
653501:06:23,667 --> 01:06:27,208
6536-will be directed toward her."
6537-(CROWD CHUCKLES)
6538
65391365
654001:06:29,333 --> 01:06:31,208
6541And the portions
6542I didn't want to read
6543
65441366
654501:06:31,291 --> 01:06:36,750
6546is because he's actually listed
6547some names. Victim blaming.
6548
65491367
655001:06:36,834 --> 01:06:40,792
6551I didn't want to read it
6552and then black out the names
6553
65541368
655501:06:40,875 --> 01:06:43,333
6556because each girl is going
6557to put their name in there.
6558
65591369
656001:06:43,417 --> 01:06:45,792
6561There's no good that's going
6562to come from reading
6563
65641370
656501:06:45,875 --> 01:06:48,083
6566that whole letter,
6567which is why I sealed it.
6568
65691371
657001:06:53,166 --> 01:06:56,667
6571INTERVIEWER: What was it like
6572for you to consider
6573
65741372
657501:06:56,750 --> 01:06:59,834
6576if you wanted to read
6577a statement in court?
6578
65791373
658001:06:59,917 --> 01:07:02,625
6581CHELSEA ZERFAS: Um.
6582At first, I was kind of unsure
6583
65841374
658501:07:02,709 --> 01:07:05,291
6586just because of being
6587in that courtroom
6588
65891375
659001:07:05,375 --> 01:07:09,208
6591and having to face the person
6592who did all that stuff to me.
6593
65941376
659501:07:09,291 --> 01:07:12,083
6596But at the same time,
6597I wanted to have a voice.
6598
65991377
660001:07:13,959 --> 01:07:16,750
6601You manipulated me so much
6602that I didn't know
6603
66041378
660501:07:16,834 --> 01:07:21,834
6606what was going on. Larry acted
6607as if he was a friend.
6608
66091379
661001:07:21,917 --> 01:07:24,000
6611He would greet me
6612with a sickening smile
6613
66141380
661501:07:24,083 --> 01:07:26,667
6616every time I saw him.
6617
66181381
661901:07:26,750 --> 01:07:29,792
6620I remember him liking my posts
6621on Instagram.
6622
66231382
662401:07:29,875 --> 01:07:32,041
6625It's weird to think
6626that an older male doctor
6627
66281383
662901:07:32,125 --> 01:07:35,208
6630was liking a little girl's posts
6631and commenting "Merry Christmas"
6632
66331384
663401:07:35,291 --> 01:07:36,959
6635on Christmas morning.
6636
66371385
663801:07:37,041 --> 01:07:38,834
6639I started to get anxiety
6640after seeing
6641
66421386
664301:07:38,917 --> 01:07:40,834
6644all the news reports about him.
6645
66461387
664701:07:40,917 --> 01:07:44,166
6648I felt like I couldn't breathe
6649and I would tremble in fear.
6650
66511388
665201:07:44,250 --> 01:07:46,166
6653I have nightmares
6654about what happened
6655
66561389
665701:07:46,250 --> 01:07:47,875
6658and have troubles with sleeping.
6659
66601390
666101:07:47,959 --> 01:07:50,041
6662(VOICE SHAKING)
6663I've been put on anxiety pills
6664
66651391
666601:07:50,125 --> 01:07:52,583
6667just so I can function
6668throughout the day.
6669
66701392
667101:07:52,667 --> 01:07:55,834
6672It's hard for me to trust people
6673because of you.
6674
66751393
667601:07:55,917 --> 01:07:57,291
6677I get scared and uncomfortable
6678
66791394
668001:07:57,375 --> 01:07:59,208
6681when I have to go
6682to the doctor's.
6683
66841395
668501:07:59,291 --> 01:08:01,458
6686I get scared that
6687I will be taken advantage of
6688
66891396
669001:08:01,542 --> 01:08:05,667
6691once again by another doctor,
6692just like you did.
6693
66941397
669501:08:05,750 --> 01:08:09,917
6696I've tried my best to gain back
6697the strength I once had.
6698
66991398
670001:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,500
6701I am a survivor. Here I am today
6702facing my abuser.
6703
67041399
670501:08:14,583 --> 01:08:18,875
6706I'm finally being heard.
6707I'm no longer hiding my story.
6708
67091400
671001:08:18,959 --> 01:08:21,500
6711When it first started,
6712there were only about six
6713
67141401
671501:08:21,583 --> 01:08:25,375
6716who were actually going
6717to come public with their name.
6718
67191402
672001:08:25,458 --> 01:08:28,875
6721One girl empowered the next,
6722empowered the next.
6723
67241403
672501:08:28,959 --> 01:08:31,834
6726ALY RAISMAN:
6727Your honor, I didn't think
6728I would be here today.
6729
67301404
673101:08:31,917 --> 01:08:34,583
6732I was scared and nervous.
6733
67341405
673501:08:34,667 --> 01:08:36,250
6736It wasn't
6737until I started watching
6738
67391406
674001:08:36,333 --> 01:08:39,375
6741the impact statements
6742from the other brave survivors
6743
67441407
674501:08:39,458 --> 01:08:43,250
6746that I realized I too
6747needed to be here.
6748
67491408
675001:08:43,333 --> 01:08:45,875
6751I am also here to tell you
6752to your face, Larry,
6753
67541409
675501:08:45,959 --> 01:08:48,417
6756that you have not taken
6757gymnastics away from me.
6758
67591410
676001:08:48,500 --> 01:08:51,792
6761I love this sport, and that love
6762is stronger than the evil
6763
67641411
676501:08:51,875 --> 01:08:54,458
6766that resides in you
6767and those who enabled you
6768
67691412
677001:08:54,542 --> 01:08:56,458
6771to hurt many people.
6772
67731413
677401:08:56,542 --> 01:09:00,250
6775Larry, you do realize now
6776that we, this group of women
6777
67781414
677901:09:00,333 --> 01:09:03,792
6780you so heartlessly abused
6781over such a long period of time,
6782
67831415
678401:09:03,875 --> 01:09:06,542
6785are now a force
6786and you are nothing?
6787
67881416
678901:09:08,083 --> 01:09:11,834
6790You hear these statements
6791and, you know, they're so brave.
6792
67931417
679401:09:11,917 --> 01:09:13,458
6795So, I wanted them to know, one,
6796
67971418
679801:09:13,542 --> 01:09:15,041
6799I wanted the
6800little ones to know
6801
68021419
680301:09:15,125 --> 01:09:18,000
6804that I was there for them
6805'cause I was older
6806
68071420
680801:09:18,083 --> 01:09:21,166
6809and I do know him very well
6810and I wanted them to know
6811
68121421
681301:09:21,250 --> 01:09:23,709
6814that I'll stand,
6815I'll stand with them.
6816
68171422
681801:09:24,875 --> 01:09:26,083
6819If you will allow it,
6820
68211423
682201:09:26,166 --> 01:09:28,166
6823I would like to address him
6824directly.
6825
68261424
682701:09:28,250 --> 01:09:30,000
6828AQUILINA: You may.
6829
68301425
683101:09:30,083 --> 01:09:32,417
6832-(SOBS)
6833-AQUILINA: Take your time.
6834
68351426
683601:09:32,500 --> 01:09:35,041
6837HOMER: It's all right, sweetie.
6838
68391427
684001:09:35,125 --> 01:09:38,583
6841-Wow.
6842-You're strong. You're strong.
6843
68441428
684501:09:38,667 --> 01:09:40,542
6846GONCZAR: What have you done?
6847
68481429
684901:09:42,792 --> 01:09:45,166
6850I look at these young girls here
6851and I told my mom
6852
68531430
685401:09:45,250 --> 01:09:49,000
6855the hardest part for me
6856was to see how little they were.
6857
68581431
685901:09:49,083 --> 01:09:51,750
6860She said to me,
6861"You were that little too,
6862
68631432
686401:09:52,542 --> 01:09:53,792
6865if not younger."
6866
68671433
686801:09:55,417 --> 01:09:59,542
6869I had to make an extremely
6870hard choice this week, Larry.
6871
68721434
687301:09:59,625 --> 01:10:04,333
6874I had to choose whether continue
6875supporting you through this
6876
68771435
687801:10:04,417 --> 01:10:07,250
6879or to support them, the girls.
6880
68811436
688201:10:08,417 --> 01:10:10,458
6883I choose them, Larry.
6884
68851437
688601:10:11,875 --> 01:10:15,208
6887I've known you basically
6888all of my life.
6889
68901438
689101:10:15,291 --> 01:10:19,000
6892In fact,
6893I've known you 31 of 37 years.
6894
68951439
689601:10:21,125 --> 01:10:22,625
6897I remember your wedding,
6898
68991440
690001:10:22,709 --> 01:10:27,667
6901thinking Stephanie was
6902the luckiest woman in the world.
6903
69041441
690501:10:27,750 --> 01:10:30,917
6906My heart hurts for her
6907and the kids every single day.
6908
69091442
691001:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,125
6911Why lose everything
6912and everything that was good?
6913
69141443
691501:10:34,208 --> 01:10:36,083
6916For what?
6917
69181444
691901:10:36,166 --> 01:10:39,667
6920We literally loved you
6921like family
6922
69231445
692401:10:41,625 --> 01:10:44,625
6925because we thought
6926you loved us back.
6927
69281446
692901:10:47,291 --> 01:10:51,625
6930I choose to look you in the face
6931and tell you that you hurt us.
6932
69331447
693401:10:52,959 --> 01:10:54,000
6935You hurt me,
6936
69371448
693801:10:55,500 --> 01:10:58,083
6939as I've had to realize
6940I was abused
6941
69421449
694301:10:58,166 --> 01:10:59,834
6944for many years of my life.
6945
69461450
694701:11:01,250 --> 01:11:05,000
6948And this, my old friend,
6949is because of you.
6950
69511451
695201:11:07,834 --> 01:11:09,834
6953I don't know who you are now.
6954
69551452
695601:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,834
6957Larry, I think you will be happy
6958to know
6959
69601453
696101:11:13,917 --> 01:11:15,875
6962that I am
696312 weeks pregnant today.
6964
69651454
696601:11:17,166 --> 01:11:18,542
6967It's a little boy.
6968
69691455
697001:11:21,834 --> 01:11:24,125
6971And I will do everything
6972for the rest of my life
6973
69741456
697501:11:24,208 --> 01:11:26,458
6976to make sure that the yous
6977of this world
6978
69791457
698001:11:26,542 --> 01:11:28,500
6981don't get to hurt
6982another one of us.
6983
69841458
698501:11:31,041 --> 01:11:32,166
6986Goodbye, Larry.
6987
69881459
698901:11:32,250 --> 01:11:34,375
6990It's time for me
6991to close the door.
6992
69931460
699401:11:37,375 --> 01:11:40,792
6995May God bless
6996your dark, broken soul.
6997
69981461
699901:11:40,875 --> 01:11:42,208
7000AQUILINA: Thank you.
7001
70021462
700301:11:58,834 --> 01:12:02,625
7004We are on our final
7005victim impact statement.
7006
70071463
700801:12:02,709 --> 01:12:07,041
7009I am so honored to let you know
7010that the next person
7011
70121464
701301:12:07,125 --> 01:12:09,875
7014you will hear from
7015is Rachael Denhollander.
7016
70171465
701801:12:11,458 --> 01:12:13,333
7019(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
7020
70211466
702201:12:21,667 --> 01:12:24,458
7023How much is a little girl worth?
7024
70251467
702601:12:25,834 --> 01:12:28,875
7027At 15, I believed
7028that the adults at MSU
7029
70301468
703101:12:28,959 --> 01:12:31,208
7032surrounding Larry
7033would do the right thing,
7034
70351469
703601:12:31,291 --> 01:12:33,333
7037and I was terribly wrong.
7038
70391470
704001:12:33,417 --> 01:12:36,625
7041You play word games,
7042saying you didn't know
7043
70441471
704501:12:36,709 --> 01:12:38,000
7046because no one believed
7047
70481472
704901:12:38,083 --> 01:12:39,959
7050because these teenagers
7051didn't report it
7052
70531473
705401:12:40,041 --> 01:12:41,583
7055to the right official.
7056
70571474
705801:12:41,667 --> 01:12:44,709
7059And so, I am asking point-blank.
7060When Kathie Klages humiliated
7061
70621475
706301:12:44,792 --> 01:12:47,041
7064Larissa Boyce
7065and waved the report form
7066
70671476
706801:12:47,125 --> 01:12:49,709
7069in front of her, telling her
7070there would be consequences
7071
70721477
707301:12:49,792 --> 01:12:51,875
7074if she reported,
7075is this the right way
7076
70771478
707801:12:51,959 --> 01:12:53,375
7079or the wrong way?
7080
70811479
708201:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,792
7083When Amanda Thomashow reported
7084to the Title IX office
7085
70861480
708701:12:57,875 --> 01:13:00,875
7088and Larry was allowed
7089to hand-pick the four colleagues
7090
70911481
709201:13:00,959 --> 01:13:03,625
7093to determine whether
7094his treatment was legitimate,
7095
70961482
709701:13:03,709 --> 01:13:06,625
7098was it the right way
7099or the wrong way
7100
71011483
710201:13:06,709 --> 01:13:10,417
7103to handle a report of sexual
7104assault on MSU's campus?
7105
71061484
710701:13:12,125 --> 01:13:13,625
7108No one wanted to listen.
7109
71101485
711101:13:14,875 --> 01:13:17,500
7112I ask that you hand down
7113a sentence that tells us
7114
71151486
711601:13:17,583 --> 01:13:19,625
7117that what was done to us
7118matters.
7119
71201487
712101:13:19,709 --> 01:13:22,083
7122Larry said in court
7123that he hoped education
7124
71251488
712601:13:22,166 --> 01:13:24,333
7127and learning would happen.
7128
71291489
713001:13:24,417 --> 01:13:26,125
7131This is what we need to learn.
7132
71331490
713401:13:27,125 --> 01:13:29,333
7135Look around the courtroom.
7136
71371491
713801:13:29,417 --> 01:13:33,333
7139Remember what you have witnessed
7140these past seven days,
7141
71421492
714301:13:33,417 --> 01:13:36,542
7144and let it be a warning
7145to us all.
7146
71471493
714801:13:36,625 --> 01:13:40,208
7149When the adults in authority
7150do not respond properly
7151
71521494
715301:13:40,291 --> 01:13:43,208
7154to disclosures
7155of sexual assault,
7156
71571495
715801:13:43,291 --> 01:13:45,250
7159when institutions
7160create a culture
7161
71621496
716301:13:45,333 --> 01:13:48,333
7164where a predator
7165can flourish unafraid.
7166
71671497
716801:13:49,208 --> 01:13:51,917
7169This is what it looks like.
7170
71711498
717201:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,208
7173It looks like a courtroom
7174full of survivors
7175
71761499
717701:13:54,291 --> 01:13:56,917
7178who carry deep wounds,
7179
71801500
718101:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,417
7182women and girls who carry scars
7183that will never fully heal,
7184
71851501
718601:14:00,500 --> 01:14:02,834
7187but who have banded together
7188to fight for themselves
7189
71901502
719101:14:02,917 --> 01:14:05,750
7192because no one
7193else would do it.
7194
71951503
719601:14:05,834 --> 01:14:08,500
7197Women and girls who have made
7198the choice to place the guilt
7199
72001504
720101:14:08,583 --> 01:14:13,458
7202and shame on the only person
7203to whom it belongs, the abuser.
7204
72051505
720601:14:13,542 --> 01:14:16,208
7207But may the horror
7208expressed in this courtroom
7209
72101506
721101:14:16,291 --> 01:14:20,083
7212over the last seven days
7213be motivation for anyone
7214
72151507
721601:14:20,166 --> 01:14:22,917
7217and everyone,
7218no matter the context,
7219
72201508
722101:14:23,041 --> 01:14:25,250
7222to take responsibility
7223if they have erred
7224
72251509
722601:14:25,333 --> 01:14:27,250
7227in protecting a child.
7228
72291510
723001:14:27,333 --> 01:14:29,959
7231To understand
7232the incredible failures
7233
72341511
723501:14:30,041 --> 01:14:31,542
7236that led to this week,
7237
72381512
723901:14:31,625 --> 01:14:35,750
7240and to do it better
7241the next time.
7242
72431513
724401:14:35,834 --> 01:14:39,083
7245Because everything is what
7246these survivors are worth.
7247
72481514
724901:14:39,166 --> 01:14:41,041
7250-Thank you.
7251-AQUILINA: Thank you.
7252
72531515
725401:14:41,125 --> 01:14:46,959
7255You built an army of survivors
7256and you are a five-star general.
7257
72581516
725901:14:47,041 --> 01:14:48,208
7260(LAUGHTER)
7261
72621517
726301:14:49,125 --> 01:14:51,125
7264You made all of this happen.
7265
72661518
726701:14:51,208 --> 01:14:54,208
7268You made
7269all these voices matter.
7270
72711519
727201:14:54,291 --> 01:14:55,542
7273Thank you.
7274
72751520
727601:14:56,208 --> 01:14:57,375
7277Thank you.
7278
72791521
728001:15:01,959 --> 01:15:04,834
7281(APPLAUSE)
7282
72831522
728401:15:16,583 --> 01:15:18,542
7285MAN: Larry wants to address
7286the court as well.
7287
72881523
728901:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,125
7290AQUILINA: What would you
7291like me to know?
7292
72931524
729401:15:22,208 --> 01:15:23,875
7295It's just a short statement.
7296
72971525
729801:15:23,959 --> 01:15:28,291
7299Um. Your words
7300these past several days,
7301
73021526
730301:15:28,375 --> 01:15:32,208
7304your words, your words,
7305
73061527
730701:15:32,291 --> 01:15:35,625
7308have had a significant
7309emotional effect on myself
7310
73111528
731201:15:35,709 --> 01:15:38,166
7313and have shaken me to my core.
7314
73151529
731601:15:38,250 --> 01:15:40,625
7317I also recognize
7318that what I am feeling
7319
73201530
732101:15:40,709 --> 01:15:44,875
7322pales in comparison
7323to the pain, trauma,
7324
73251531
732601:15:44,959 --> 01:15:49,166
7327and emotional destruction
7328that all of you are feeling.
7329
73301532
733101:15:50,625 --> 01:15:53,542
7332There are no words
7333that can describe
7334
73351533
733601:15:53,625 --> 01:15:57,250
7337the depth and breadth
7338of how sorry I am
7339
73401534
734101:15:57,333 --> 01:15:59,000
7342for what has occurred.
7343
73441535
734501:15:59,083 --> 01:16:02,083
7346BOYCE: He heard all the cries,
7347so he turned around again
7348
73491536
735001:16:02,166 --> 01:16:04,875
7351and more and more girls
7352started crying.
7353
73541537
735501:16:04,959 --> 01:16:07,834
7356And then the judge realized
7357what he was doing.
7358
73591538
736001:16:07,917 --> 01:16:10,125
7361An acceptable apology...
7362
73631539
736401:16:10,208 --> 01:16:12,125
7365AQUILINA: Sir, you need to stay
7366at the microphone
7367
73681540
736901:16:12,208 --> 01:16:13,375
7370or they can't hear you.
7371
73721541
737301:16:13,458 --> 01:16:14,709
7374An acceptable apology
7375to all of you
7376
73771542
737801:16:14,792 --> 01:16:17,709
7379is impossible
7380to write and convey.
7381
73821543
738301:16:17,792 --> 01:16:21,417
7384I will carry your words with me
7385for the rest of my days.
7386
73871544
738801:16:21,500 --> 01:16:22,959
7389(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
7390
73911545
739201:16:48,500 --> 01:16:50,375
7393"The media convinced them
7394
73951546
739601:16:50,458 --> 01:16:53,208
7397that everything I did
7398was wrong and bad.
7399
74001547
740101:16:54,291 --> 01:16:57,208
7402They feel I broke their trust.
7403
74041548
740501:16:57,291 --> 01:17:01,000
7406Hell hath no fury
7407like a woman scorned."
7408
74091549
741001:17:01,083 --> 01:17:02,291
7411(CROWD GROANS)
7412
74131550
741401:17:02,375 --> 01:17:04,458
7415His letter fired me up so much.
7416
74171551
741801:17:04,542 --> 01:17:06,750
7419"Hell hath no fury
7420like a woman scorned."
7421
74221552
742301:17:06,834 --> 01:17:10,542
7424I mean, he's not comprehending
7425the damage that he has done.
7426
74271553
742801:17:10,625 --> 01:17:16,500
7429That line really says it all.
7430He has no respect for women.
7431
74321554
743301:17:16,583 --> 01:17:18,667
7434BOYCE: I think it helped
7435hearing that, actually,
7436
74371555
743801:17:18,750 --> 01:17:22,333
7439because I-- there's been
7440many times where I felt bad
7441
74421556
744301:17:22,417 --> 01:17:26,959
7444for him because we had
7445this relationship with him.
7446
74471557
744801:17:27,041 --> 01:17:29,709
7449We, like, we really loved him,
7450
74511558
745201:17:29,792 --> 01:17:32,625
7453and looked up to him,
7454and cared about him.
7455
74561559
745701:17:32,709 --> 01:17:38,375
7458And so, it was good to hear
7459those words that he wrote
7460
74611560
746201:17:38,458 --> 01:17:42,667
7463because it made me f--
7464not feel bad for him anymore.
7465
74661561
746701:17:42,750 --> 01:17:45,875
7468(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
7469
74701562
747101:17:53,291 --> 01:17:55,000
7472Would you like to withdraw
7473your plea?
7474
74751563
747601:17:55,083 --> 01:17:56,291
7477NASSAR: No, your honor.
7478
74791564
748001:17:58,417 --> 01:18:00,417
7481AQUILINA: Because
7482you are guilty, aren't you?
7483
74841565
748501:18:03,250 --> 01:18:04,583
7486Are you guilty, sir?
7487
74881566
748901:18:33,208 --> 01:18:36,583
7490If I thought he was worthy
7491of being rehabilitated,
7492
74931567
749401:18:36,667 --> 01:18:39,291
7495I would have sentenced him
7496to the 25 years.
7497
74981568
749901:18:40,959 --> 01:18:43,000
7500Based on his comments
7501to the girls,
7502
75031569
750401:18:43,083 --> 01:18:45,083
7505he was not remorseful.
7506
75071570
750801:18:45,166 --> 01:18:47,500
7509He is a true predator.
7510
75111571
751201:18:47,583 --> 01:18:49,625
7513That's all for the record.
7514
75151572
751601:18:49,709 --> 01:18:50,959
7517BAILIFF: All rise.
7518
75191573
752001:18:56,792 --> 01:18:59,291
7521(APPLAUSE)
7522
75231574
752401:19:13,166 --> 01:19:14,417
7525SMITH: You know,
7526
75271575
752801:19:14,500 --> 01:19:17,083
7529I really expected
7530to feel a lot better,
7531
75321576
753301:19:17,166 --> 01:19:18,542
7534if I'm being honest.
7535
75361577
753701:19:18,625 --> 01:19:20,750
7538Felt like I was going
7539to walk out and be like,
7540
75411578
754201:19:20,834 --> 01:19:22,375
7543"Great, things are better now."
7544
75451579
754601:19:22,458 --> 01:19:25,333
7547You know, and people are like
7548"It's over!" It's not over.
7549
75501580
755101:19:28,375 --> 01:19:31,709
7552â™ª (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) â™ª
7553
75541581
755501:19:35,500 --> 01:19:37,291
7556MORGAN MCCAUL:
7557While it was very empowering
7558
75591582
756001:19:37,375 --> 01:19:38,625
7561to watch these women,
7562
75631583
756401:19:38,709 --> 01:19:39,917
7565they're taking back their voice
7566
75671584
756801:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,166
7569but they shouldn't
7570have ever had
7571
75721585
757301:19:41,250 --> 01:19:45,125
7574to use it to say, "Me too."
7575
75761586
757701:19:45,208 --> 01:19:47,333
7578Disclosing your name
7579and your face
7580
75811587
758201:19:47,417 --> 01:19:49,917
7583along with your story
7584in this volume
7585
75861588
758701:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,000
7588to be believed is a travesty.
7589
75901589
759101:19:53,917 --> 01:19:58,291
7592HAMILTON: We need to deliver
7593on the promise to these victims
7594
75951590
759601:19:58,375 --> 01:20:01,709
7597that the world will be better
7598because you came forward.
7599
76001591
760101:20:03,166 --> 01:20:05,875
7602The "Me Too" movement
7603will be a success
7604
76051592
760601:20:05,959 --> 01:20:09,709
7607if it turns
7608into social and legal change.
7609
76101593
761101:20:09,792 --> 01:20:11,792
7612REPORTER 6: Is there any truth
7613that there's money
7614
76151594
761601:20:11,875 --> 01:20:13,291
7617been put aside for counseling
7618
76191595
762001:20:13,375 --> 01:20:14,792
7621-for these girls?
7622-Yes.
7623
76241596
762501:20:14,875 --> 01:20:16,917
7626REPORTER 6: Have any
7627of the girls been contacted yet?
7628
76291597
763001:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,458
7631They were supposed to be--
7632
76331598
763401:20:18,542 --> 01:20:20,291
7635What about for those of us
7636who have already had counseling
7637
76381599
763901:20:20,375 --> 01:20:22,417
7640but this is now a year
7641and a half later
7642
76431600
764401:20:22,500 --> 01:20:23,667
7645that you're doing this?
7646
76471601
764801:20:23,750 --> 01:20:26,125
7649The counseling fund,
7650if you read the--
7651
76521602
765301:20:26,208 --> 01:20:28,083
7654the material
7655that was released publicly--
7656
76571603
765801:20:28,166 --> 01:20:29,959
7659LEMKE: I would like
7660to hear it from you, personally.
7661
76621604
766301:20:30,041 --> 01:20:31,500
7664Okay. Includes past expenses.
7665
76661605
766701:20:34,208 --> 01:20:37,041
7668â™ª (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) â™ª
7669
76701606
767101:20:41,917 --> 01:20:43,625
7672Another former Michigan State
7673employee
7674
76751607
767601:20:43,709 --> 01:20:45,417
7677is facing criminal charges
7678tonight.
7679
76801608
768101:20:45,500 --> 01:20:47,792
7682The State Attorney General's
7683Office is charging
7684
76851609
768601:20:47,875 --> 01:20:50,417
7687former MSU Gymnastics coach,
7688Kathie Klages,
7689
76901610
769101:20:50,500 --> 01:20:52,875
7692with two counts of lying
7693to investigators.
7694
76951611
769601:20:52,959 --> 01:20:54,542
7697REPORTER 7:
7698As of today, there have been
7699
77001612
770101:20:54,625 --> 01:20:56,250
7702three former MSU employees
7703
77041613
770501:20:56,333 --> 01:20:59,166
7706charged
7707during MSU's investigation.
7708
77091614
771001:20:59,250 --> 01:21:03,750
7711â™ª (MUSIC CONTINUES) â™ª
7712
77131615
771401:21:08,208 --> 01:21:10,333
7715REPORTER 8: Young gymnasts
7716who say they were victimized
7717
77181616
771901:21:10,417 --> 01:21:13,166
7720by Larry Nassar
7721are now advocating for changes
7722
77231617
772401:21:13,250 --> 01:21:15,458
7725to Michigan laws
7726to make it easier
7727
77281618
772901:21:15,542 --> 01:21:17,417
7730to hold abuse enablers
7731accountable.
7732
77331619
773401:21:23,291 --> 01:21:25,959
7735INTERVIEWER: What can be done
7736so this does not happen?
7737
77381620
773901:21:26,041 --> 01:21:27,750
7740You have to start from scratch.
7741
77421621
774301:21:27,834 --> 01:21:30,875
7744You have to create
7745a whole new governing body,
7746
77471622
774801:21:30,959 --> 01:21:32,792
7749new USA Gymnastics.
7750
77511623
775201:21:32,875 --> 01:21:34,542
7753You need to move it out
7754of Indianapolis.
7755
77561624
775701:21:34,625 --> 01:21:38,125
7758You need to bring people in that
7759know all sides of the sport,
7760
77611625
776201:21:38,208 --> 01:21:40,959
7763and including, you know,
7764treating people right.
7765
77661626
776701:21:52,417 --> 01:21:55,041
7768There is a sense that slowly
7769but surely,
7770
77711627
777201:21:55,125 --> 01:21:56,500
7773progress is being made
7774
77751628
777601:21:56,583 --> 01:21:59,083
7777and people in positions
7778of authority
7779
77801629
778101:21:59,166 --> 01:22:01,583
7782are having to answer
7783for what happened.
7784
77851630
778601:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,625
7787More fallout
7788from the Larry Nassar scandal.
7789
77901631
779101:22:06,709 --> 01:22:08,583
7792USA Gymnastics has suspended
7793
77941632
779501:22:08,667 --> 01:22:10,834
7796the owner of Twistars,
7797John Geddert.
7798
77991633
780001:22:18,875 --> 01:22:22,583
7801We demonize the Nassars
7802and the Sanduskys,
7803
78041634
780501:22:22,667 --> 01:22:24,375
7806uh, and they've done
7807horrible things.
7808
78091635
781001:22:24,458 --> 01:22:26,333
7811But it's the ones
7812who covered it up
7813
78141636
781501:22:26,417 --> 01:22:29,500
7816who made it worse
7817and created more victims.
7818
78191637
782001:22:30,917 --> 01:22:33,083
7821SEN. JERRY MORAN: Mr. Penny.
7822Uh, let me ask you this.
7823
78241638
782501:22:33,166 --> 01:22:35,709
7826Uh, after being informed
7827about the abuse,
7828
78291639
783001:22:35,792 --> 01:22:38,750
7831my understanding is that, uh,
7832you waited 41 days
7833
78341640
783501:22:38,834 --> 01:22:41,083
7836to contact law enforcement.
7837Is that correct?
7838
78391641
784001:22:41,166 --> 01:22:43,709
7841I would like
7842to answer your question.
7843
78441642
784501:22:43,792 --> 01:22:45,583
7846However, I've been instructed
7847by my attorney
7848
78491643
785001:22:45,667 --> 01:22:47,500
7851to assert my rights
7852under the 5th Amendment.
7853
78541644
785501:22:47,583 --> 01:22:49,625
7856You were part
7857of an organization,
7858
78591645
786001:22:49,709 --> 01:22:51,583
7861United States Gymnastics.
7862
78631646
786401:22:51,667 --> 01:22:54,291
7865Don't you feel you have
7866a responsibility to the athletes
7867
78681647
786901:22:54,375 --> 01:22:57,083
7870who are here today and to others
7871around the country?
7872
78731648
787401:22:58,041 --> 01:22:59,291
7875Respectfully, Senator,
7876
78771649
787801:22:59,375 --> 01:23:01,041
7879I've been instructed
7880by my attorney
7881
78821650
788301:23:01,125 --> 01:23:02,792
7884to assert my rights
7885under the 5th Amendment
7886
78871651
788801:23:02,875 --> 01:23:04,709
7889and decline
7890to answer your question.
7891
78921652
789301:23:06,583 --> 01:23:09,750
7894â™ª (MUSIC CONTINUES) â™ª
7895
78961653
789701:23:21,959 --> 01:23:23,250
7898What we really have to do
7899
79001654
790101:23:23,333 --> 01:23:25,458
7902is we have to start listening
7903to our kids.
7904
79051655
790601:23:25,542 --> 01:23:28,834
7907If a child says to you
7908they don't like
7909
79101656
791101:23:28,917 --> 01:23:32,041
7912how someone touched them,
7913you don't say,
7914
79151657
791601:23:32,125 --> 01:23:35,250
7917"But that's one of the nicest
7918people I ever met."
7919
79201658
792101:23:35,333 --> 01:23:39,625
7922You sit down and you say,
7923"Why? What was wrong?"
7924
79251659
792601:23:42,625 --> 01:23:45,625
7927INTERVIEWER: Would you let
7928your daughter do gymnastics?
7929
79301660
793101:23:45,709 --> 01:23:47,375
7932BOYCE: I have mixed emotions.
7933
79341661
793501:23:48,250 --> 01:23:49,875
7936I feel hopeful that...
7937
79381662
793901:23:51,834 --> 01:23:53,792
7940changes, positive changes,
7941are being made
7942
79431663
794401:23:53,875 --> 01:23:57,917
7945so it will be a better sport
7946for her... eventually.
7947
79481664
794901:23:59,583 --> 01:24:02,834
7950MOCEANU: The sport is beautiful
7951It's a wonderful sport.
7952
79531665
795401:24:02,917 --> 01:24:04,166
7955My child does it.
7956
79571666
795801:24:04,250 --> 01:24:06,000
7959I didn't yank him out
7960just because of this.
7961
79621667
796301:24:06,083 --> 01:24:09,542
7964No. I felt empowered that, hey,
7965the sport's going to be better
7966
79671668
796801:24:09,625 --> 01:24:12,041
7969for a future generation
7970of children, right,
7971
79721669
797301:24:12,125 --> 01:24:14,500
7974because we stood up
7975and we did something about it
7976
79771670
797801:24:14,583 --> 01:24:16,458
7979and we're actually
7980being heard now.
7981
79821671
798301:24:17,291 --> 01:24:19,083
7984(CHILDREN CHATTER)
7985
79861672
798701:24:19,166 --> 01:24:22,041
7988ZERFAS: I would see,
7989like, my old teammates posting,
7990
79911673
799201:24:22,125 --> 01:24:26,208
7993and I'd see all these things
7994about gymnastics
7995
79961674
799701:24:26,291 --> 01:24:30,208
7998and I really missed it,
7999and one day I told my mom
8000
80011675
800201:24:30,291 --> 01:24:32,250
8003that I really wanted
8004to do it again.
8005
80061676
800701:24:32,333 --> 01:24:34,917
8008So, it's where I'm at now.
8009
80101677
801101:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,333
8012How does that look?
8013
80141678
801501:24:36,417 --> 01:24:38,000
8016That looks good.
8017
80181679
801901:24:38,083 --> 01:24:40,208
8020COACH: Okay. I mean, why don't
8021you try it? You try a couple.
8022
80231680
802401:24:40,291 --> 01:24:42,333
8025-and then if it needs to be
8026moved, I'm happy to move it.
8027-ZERFAS: Okay.
8028
80291681
803001:24:42,417 --> 01:24:43,750
8031-COACH: Does that work?
8032-ZERFAS: Yeah.
8033
80341682
803501:24:43,834 --> 01:24:46,500
8036ZERFAS: I did feel
8037that I'm finally able
8038
80391683
804001:24:46,583 --> 01:24:47,709
8041to start my life again
8042
80431684
804401:24:47,792 --> 01:24:50,750
8045and not have to worry about him
8046
80471685
804801:24:50,834 --> 01:24:53,542
8049ever doing anything
8050wrong again.
8051
80521686
805301:24:56,500 --> 01:24:58,041
8054And being back, I...
8055
80561687
805701:24:58,125 --> 01:25:02,208
8058I was able to build up
8059that confidence I once had,
8060
80611688
806201:25:02,291 --> 01:25:07,333
8063and I'm just able
8064to do what I love.
8065
80661689
806701:25:09,166 --> 01:25:11,625
8068â™ª ("I'M STILL HERE"
8069BY SIA PLAYS) â™ª
8070
80711690
807201:25:12,709 --> 01:25:17,166
8073â™ª I'm winning the war now â™ª
8074
80751691
807601:25:18,458 --> 01:25:22,625
8077â™ª I'm winning it all now â™ª
8078
80791692
808001:25:23,959 --> 01:25:28,667
8081â™ª Watch tears
8082While they fall down â™ª
8083
80841693
808501:25:29,667 --> 01:25:34,041
8086â™ª I'm winning the war now â™ª
8087
80881694
808901:25:35,458 --> 01:25:40,834
8090â™ª I win against ego â™ª
8091
80921695
809301:25:40,917 --> 01:25:46,333
8094â™ª Cast light
8095On the shadow's long â™ª
8096
80971696
809801:25:46,417 --> 01:25:52,083
8099â™ª I'm winning from ego â™ª
8100
81011697
810201:25:52,166 --> 01:25:55,625
8103â™ª I'm lighting
8104The long way home â™ª
8105
81061698
810701:25:55,709 --> 01:25:58,250
8108â™ª Oh, the past, it haunted me â™ª
8109
81101699
811101:25:58,333 --> 01:26:01,166
8112â™ª Oh, the past
8113It wanted me dead â™ª
8114
81151700
811601:26:01,250 --> 01:26:03,792
8117â™ª Oh, the past tormented me â™ª
8118
81191701
812001:26:03,875 --> 01:26:06,667
8121â™ª Oh, the past
8122It wanted me dead â™ª
8123
81241702
812501:26:06,750 --> 01:26:09,417
8126â™ª Oh, the past, it haunted me â™ª
8127
81281703
812901:26:09,500 --> 01:26:12,375
8130â™ª Oh, the past
8131It wanted me dead â™ª
8132
81331704
813401:26:12,458 --> 01:26:15,208
8135â™ª Oh, the past tormented me â™ª
8136
81371705
813801:26:15,291 --> 01:26:18,000
8139â™ª But the battle was lost â™ª
8140
81411706
814201:26:18,083 --> 01:26:19,834
8143â™ª 'Cause I'm still here â™ª
8144
81451707
814601:26:19,917 --> 01:26:21,291
8147â™ª It's haunted me â™ª
8148
81491708
815001:26:21,375 --> 01:26:23,667
8151â™ª Oh, the past
8152It wanted me dead â™ª
8153
81541709
815501:26:23,750 --> 01:26:26,458
8156â™ª Oh, the past
8157It's haunted me â™ª
8158
81591710
816001:26:26,542 --> 01:26:29,291
8161â™ª Oh, the past
8162It wanted me dead â™ª
8163
81641711
816501:26:29,375 --> 01:26:32,041
8166â™ª Oh, the past
8167It's haunted me â™ª
8168
81691712
817001:26:32,125 --> 01:26:34,917
8171â™ª Oh, the past
8172It wanted me dead â™ª
8173
81741713
817501:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,709
8176â™ª Oh, the past tormented me â™ª
8177
81781714
817901:26:37,792 --> 01:26:40,667
8180â™ª But the battle was lost â™ª
8181
81821715
818301:26:40,750 --> 01:26:43,000
8184â™ª 'Cause I'm still here â™ª
8185
81861716
818701:26:43,083 --> 01:26:48,500
8188â™ª I'm fighting my ego â™ª
8189
81901717
819101:26:48,583 --> 01:26:54,250
8192â™ª Lost youth,
8193Where did we go wrong? â™ª
8194
81951718
819601:26:54,333 --> 01:26:59,875
8197â™ª I'm winning for me, though â™ª
8198
81991719
820001:26:59,959 --> 01:27:05,750
8201â™ª I'm lighting
8202The long way home â™ª
8203
82041720
820501:27:05,834 --> 01:27:08,709
8206â™ª Oh, the past, it haunted me â™ª
8207
82081721
820901:27:08,792 --> 01:27:11,667
8210â™ª Oh, the past
8211It wanted me dead â™ª
8212
82131722
821401:27:11,750 --> 01:27:14,375
8215â™ª Oh, the past tormented me â™ª
8216
82171723
821801:27:14,458 --> 01:27:17,291
8219â™ª Oh, the past
8220It wanted me dead â™ª
8221
82221724
822301:27:17,375 --> 01:27:20,041
8224â™ª Oh, the past, it haunted me â™ª
8225
82261725
822701:27:20,125 --> 01:27:23,000
8228â™ª Oh, the past
8229It wanted me dead â™ª
8230
82311726
823201:27:23,083 --> 01:27:25,750
8233â™ª Oh, the past tormented me â™ª
8234
82351727
823601:27:25,834 --> 01:27:28,542
8237â™ª But the battle was lost â™ª
8238
82391728
824001:27:28,625 --> 01:27:30,208
8241â™ª 'Cause I'm still here â™ª
8242
82431729
824401:27:30,291 --> 01:27:31,667
8245â™ª It's haunted me â™ª
8246
82471730
824801:27:31,750 --> 01:27:34,166
8249â™ª Oh, the past
8250It wanted me dead â™ª
8251
82521731
825301:27:34,250 --> 01:27:36,875
8254â™ª Oh, the past
8255It's haunted me â™ª
8256
82571732
825801:27:36,959 --> 01:27:39,917
8259â™ª Oh, the past
8260It wanted me dead â™ª
8261
82621733
826301:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,625
8264â™ª Oh, the past
8265It's haunted me â™ª
8266
82671734
826801:27:42,709 --> 01:27:45,625
8269â™ª Oh, the past
8270It wanted me dead â™ª
8271
82721735
827301:27:45,709 --> 01:27:48,333
8274â™ª Oh, the past tormented me â™ª
8275
82761736
827701:27:48,417 --> 01:27:51,250
8278â™ª But the battle was lost â™ª
8279
82801737
828101:27:51,333 --> 01:27:53,625
8282â™ª 'Cause I'm still here â™ª
8283
82841738
828501:27:59,166 --> 01:28:02,166
8286â™ª (MUSIC PLAYS) â™ª