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1--CHAT CREATED JAN 18 2016--
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3[1/18/2016 6:29:28 PM] Atlas _: okay
4[1/18/2016 6:29:37 PM] Atlas _: Didn't want to use the main chasm chat for this
5[1/18/2016 6:31:03 PM] Atlas _: but I thought I should let you guys know...I don't think I can lead the team anymore. I've put it off for awhile because I didn't want to mess up plot and disappoint all of you, and admitting it feels like a huge failure on my part
6[1/18/2016 6:32:25 PM] Atlas _: But I'd rather Chasm not be burdened any longer by me
7[1/18/2016 6:42:41 PM] *** R'hia hugs you close ***
8[1/18/2016 6:42:49 PM] R'hia: you aren't burdening us hun
9[1/18/2016 6:42:59 PM] R'hia: it's your choice but I wont force either way
10[1/18/2016 7:22:50 PM] Silverishness: You're not a burden, hon. Not at all. I don't want to lose you as part of the team; is it just leading or is it the character or is it Vince or... is there a specific reason?
11[1/18/2016 7:32:25 PM] Atlas _: I hate to admit it since it sounds so bitter, but it is almost entirely because of my current troubles with Vince
12Like, other teams like Stark or Snowpoint I'm fine with, but Chasm is...different, we put a lot into it, and I find that I just can't write for it anymore even though I've tried
13[1/18/2016 7:35:04 PM] Atlas _: I have zero desire to remain lead as is
14[1/18/2016 7:37:01 PM] R'hia: its not bitter
15vince has deeply wounded all of us tbj
16[1/18/2016 7:37:04 PM] R'hia: tbh
17[1/18/2016 7:37:35 PM] R'hia: I haven't had him initiate contact in almost a month and a half
18[1/18/2016 7:39:45 PM] Silverishness: It's been longer for me. I've asked him things and he just hasn't replied. Would it be easier if we came up with a different plot, maybe? Maybe you could bring in a new character?
19[1/18/2016 7:44:05 PM] Atlas _: As of now, I definitely couldn't work with the current plot...and tbf, what's going on doesn't include you guys (and Vanilla) as much as I'd like 
20I think a different character would work best, because while I'm not doing so well with current plot, I don't want to leave chasm altogether
21[1/18/2016 7:45:15 PM] Silverishness: Together, we can totally do another plot and have someone else lead
22[1/18/2016 7:49:00 PM] R'hia: Well, I'm down with making new plot for now, and riding out some casual non-planned stuff for now
23[1/18/2016 7:49:29 PM] Atlas _: I'd be completely okay with that 
24But of course there's always the problem of telling Vince
25[1/18/2016 7:51:56 PM] R'hia: and we know duma wants in
26[1/18/2016 7:52:11 PM] R'hia: I mean who here is as comfortable around vince as we used to be
27[1/18/2016 7:52:16 PM] R'hia: i know I'm not... ahah..
28[1/18/2016 7:56:17 PM] Silverishness: I'm not
29[1/18/2016 7:56:29 PM] Silverishness: He's not the same person I've known
30[1/18/2016 7:56:36 PM] *** R'hia nods.. ***
31[1/18/2016 7:57:17 PM] Silverishness: I don't want to sound rude, but... RPing is a cooperative activity. You can't just close yourself off and expect everything to be peachy
32[1/18/2016 7:57:53 PM] Silverishness: Unless this is exactly what he's aiming for- turning us against himself so leaving will be easier
33[1/18/2016 7:58:04 PM] Atlas _: I wouldn't be surprised
34[1/18/2016 7:58:10 PM] Silverishness: I wouldn't either
35[1/18/2016 7:58:11 PM] R'hia: I doubt it, actually.
36[1/18/2016 7:58:16 PM] Silverishness: Really?
37[1/18/2016 7:58:27 PM] Silverishness: Even after attempting it before?
38[1/18/2016 7:58:30 PM] R'hia: I've actually been around him a few times, and while stressed, he seems to be back into roleplaying
39[1/18/2016 7:58:42 PM] R'hia: like legitimately so
40[1/18/2016 7:58:43 PM] Silverishness: Doesn't look like that on my side
41[1/18/2016 7:58:52 PM] Atlas _: ^
42[1/18/2016 7:58:55 PM] Silverishness: He's not engaging.
43[1/18/2016 7:58:58 PM] Silverishness: At all.
44[1/18/2016 7:59:02 PM] Silverishness: With anyone else.
45[1/18/2016 7:59:15 PM] R'hia: I'm not saying he's doing it right, but he's interested in the roleplay itself at least
46[1/18/2016 7:59:36 PM] Atlas _: doesn't look like it
47[1/18/2016 7:59:45 PM] Silverishness: It really doesn't.
48[1/18/2016 7:59:55 PM] R'hia: //shrugs "Just reporting in, sorry"
49[1/18/2016 8:00:28 PM] Silverishness: He's waiting till the last minute to reply on everything again, not talking anywhere about any teams, hasn't asked to be added back anywhere....
50[1/18/2016 8:00:33 PM] Silverishness: I know, and I'm sorry
51[1/18/2016 8:01:00 PM] Atlas _: Every time I've tried to work with him, he'll barely respond and then vanish, and I have to be the one to initiate conversation again
52[1/18/2016 8:01:03 PM] Silverishness: Like, I am legitimately surprised to hear you say that, Rhia
53[1/18/2016 8:01:15 PM] Silverishness: Balth - Today 9:00 PM
54> Every time I've tried to work with him, he'll barely respond and then vanish, and I have to be the one to initiate conversation again
55Same here
56[1/18/2016 8:01:29 PM] Silverishness: Or just not say anything at all to me
57[1/18/2016 8:01:59 PM] R'hia: It's from what I've seen in person- he's asking for me to throw signal so he can post for people, he's looking forward to Jacque having wifi (since, you know, he basically doesn't go home lately)
58[1/18/2016 8:02:17 PM] R'hia: Skype is also no longer a viable way to contact but ive a feeling yall been texting
59[1/18/2016 8:02:38 PM] Silverishness: Very little
60[1/18/2016 8:02:40 PM] Atlas _: I have
61[1/18/2016 8:02:49 PM] R'hia: well ATTEMPTING to text him at least
62[1/18/2016 8:02:53 PM] R'hia: idk if he cooperates
63[1/18/2016 8:03:20 PM] Atlas _: And quite frankly I'm extremely tired of trying to keep up conversations :/
64[1/18/2016 8:04:52 PM] Silverishness: Yes, it is always me to initiate.
65[1/18/2016 8:08:56 PM] Atlas _: Maybe he's excited to be in the rp, but that doesn't mean he's doing it right tbh
66[1/18/2016 8:09:10 PM] *** R'hia nods ***
67[1/18/2016 8:09:51 PM] Silverishness: The thing is, he knows how to be a good teammate
68[1/18/2016 8:10:00 PM] Silverishness: Hell, he knows how to be a good lead
69[1/18/2016 8:10:29 PM] Silverishness: All of this, he knows it's bad form
70[1/18/2016 8:11:24 PM] *** R'hia sighs "We've established, time and again, that he's changed, he isn't doing any of this right. Frankly... why should we waste any more energy on it... ya know?" ***
71[1/18/2016 8:11:46 PM] Silverishness: But makes no effort to compensate for it. If he has shit wifi, cut back on teams. Communicate with your teammates with what little capability you have. Phone, pms on the site. Doesn't have to be Skype.
72[1/18/2016 8:12:17 PM | Edited 8:11:40 PM] Silverishness: Because it's a problem, a big problem, that once again needs to be addressed
73[1/18/2016 8:12:47 PM] R'hia: But its clear that he's /not going to change/
74[1/18/2016 8:12:51 PM] Silverishness: At least, I have to
75[1/18/2016 8:12:54 PM] Silverishness: Exactly
76[1/18/2016 8:13:05 PM] Silverishness: Which means I need to do something about it.
77[1/18/2016 8:13:14 PM] *** R'hia ahs.. "Ok, that makes more sense." ***
78[1/18/2016 8:13:28 PM] Silverishness: He no longer is reliable. He's no longer leader material.
79[1/18/2016 8:13:41 PM] Atlas _: I'll try to help
80but
81He doesn't listen much to me anymore
82[1/18/2016 8:13:43 PM] Silverishness: I'm looking at this as grounds to demote him to Ace.
83[1/18/2016 8:13:56 PM] Sara: It's not even like his wifi is even having problems.  He chooses to stay somewhere where he has none.
84[1/18/2016 8:14:14 PM] Silverishness: Well, home life is awful. I don't blame him staying away
85[1/18/2016 8:14:15 PM] R'hia: To be perfectly fair, he has a reason for not being at his own home
86[1/18/2016 8:14:20 PM] R'hia: like
87[1/18/2016 8:14:25 PM] R'hia: I'm not going into detail
88[1/18/2016 8:14:31 PM] Sara: Fair enough.
89[1/18/2016 8:14:53 PM] Silverishness: He's not admin really anymore.
90[1/18/2016 8:14:54 PM] Atlas _: But everything else are legit problems.
91[1/18/2016 8:14:55 PM] R'hia: but his mom has said, and I quote "I don't know how I will put food on the table, let alone pay rent"
92[1/18/2016 8:15:07 PM] Silverishness: Christ
93[1/18/2016 8:15:13 PM] Sara: Jesus.
94[1/18/2016 8:15:16 PM] R'hia: Please keep it private that you know
95[1/18/2016 8:15:20 PM] R'hia: but things are bad
96[1/18/2016 8:15:25 PM] Silverishness: Sigh
97[1/18/2016 8:15:46 PM] R'hia: But, while a viable reason for not being home
98[1/18/2016 8:15:52 PM] R'hia: there are starbucks and other wifi spots everywhere
99[1/18/2016 8:16:13 PM] Silverishness: Yes. There are ways
100[1/18/2016 8:16:53 PM] Sara: [Monday, January 18, 2016 8:14 PM] Karl Thomas: Soviet Magic Man: 
101
102<<< He's not admin really anymore.This too.  He doesn't help with any decisions at all.
103[1/18/2016 8:17:03 PM] Silverishness: And even if he wasn't willing to use those, he hasn't been responsible enough to cut down his load.
104[1/18/2016 8:17:15 PM] R'hia: ????
105
106Hes under the impression he's not an admin at all
107[1/18/2016 8:17:24 PM] Silverishness: I never demoted him
108[1/18/2016 8:17:35 PM] Silverishness: Still has the admin tag on Zapdos
109[1/18/2016 8:17:36 PM] Sara: Nor did he ever step down.
110[1/18/2016 8:17:40 PM] Atlas _: wait
111[1/18/2016 8:17:41 PM] Atlas _: so
112[1/18/2016 8:17:49 PM] Silverishness: He just left the chat one day and never said another word
113[1/18/2016 8:17:51 PM] Atlas _: He just assumed that? Without telling anyone?
114[1/18/2016 8:17:57 PM] Silverishness: Apparently
115[1/18/2016 8:17:59 PM] Sara: We thought it would be like for a week or so.
116[1/18/2016 8:18:10 PM] Sara: When he left.  Just, y'know, needed some time to calm down.
117[1/18/2016 8:18:13 PM] Sara: But he never came back.
118[1/18/2016 8:18:29 PM] Silverishness: :/
119[1/18/2016 8:18:32 PM] Silverishness: Yep
120[1/18/2016 8:18:40 PM] Sara: At least, that's what I thought, when he left the chat,  He does that periodically, so I thought nothing of it.
121[1/18/2016 8:19:43 PM] Silverishness: Me too
122[1/18/2016 8:19:56 PM] Silverishness: He never breathed a word of actually stepping down.
123[1/18/2016 8:20:21 PM] Silverishness: Just poofed like he normally does
124[1/18/2016 8:21:29 PM] Sara: He never returned to our group friend chat either.
125[1/18/2016 8:21:34 PM] R'hia: He legitimately thinks he's just another elite member now
126[1/18/2016 8:21:59 PM] Silverishness: With a legend.
127[1/18/2016 8:22:01 PM] Silverishness: Two.
128[1/18/2016 8:22:06 PM] Silverishness: Three.
129[1/18/2016 8:22:34 PM] Atlas _: Christ.
130[1/18/2016 8:22:38 PM] Silverishness: Three legends. One of which has access to admin panel and threads.
131[1/18/2016 8:22:44 PM] Silverishness: And an admin tag.
132[1/18/2016 8:22:57 PM] Silverishness: And no one else has been hired to take over his job.
133[1/18/2016 8:23:03 PM] Atlas _: And I thought I had too many alts...>>
134[1/18/2016 8:23:14 PM] Silverishness: I don't see how he came to this conclusion.
135[1/18/2016 8:24:40 PM] Sara: And as for apparently being into role playing, he seems more like he's starting that SH hopping nonsense again.
136[1/18/2016 8:25:36 PM] R'hia: You already know I'm willing to do what needs to be done, sil. Albeit I haven't gotten much of a chance to prove it, with reserves being sparce.
137[1/18/2016 8:25:50 PM] R'hia: Maybe, just maybe I misunderstood
138[1/18/2016 8:25:55 PM] R'hia: but the text was fairly clear
139[1/18/2016 8:26:03 PM] Silverishness: What did it say?
140[1/18/2016 8:27:33 PM] Sara: He never even asked any of us about hiring a new admin or anything.  Nothing to indicate he wasn't an admin anymore.
141[1/18/2016 8:28:15 PM] R'hia: After asking if he knew Cinder wasn't doing well:
142
143"I knew something happened because she was SH'd with admin permission or something
144But I'm not an admin so I don't have any right to know."
145[1/18/2016 8:29:03 PM] Silverishness: Fucking hell.
146[1/18/2016 8:29:13 PM] Atlas _: I'm not surprised.
147[1/18/2016 8:29:18 PM] Silverishness: That's just...
148[1/18/2016 8:29:20 PM] Silverishness: Rude
149[1/18/2016 8:29:22 PM] Sara: Not that I blame you, Tyler, but I'm just sitting here like what made you think you weren't an admin.
150[1/18/2016 8:29:25 PM] Silverishness: Goddamn.
151[1/18/2016 8:29:25 PM] Atlas _: It's not like he hasn't assumed things before.
152[1/18/2016 8:29:39 PM] Sara: Did he just resign at some point and I didn't notice?
153[1/18/2016 8:29:51 PM] Silverishness: Yeah,  I'm not blaming you at all Tyler, it's just frustrating
154[1/18/2016 8:30:04 PM] Silverishness: Sara - Today 9:29 PM
155> Did he just resign at some point and I didn't notice?
156
157Maybe in his own head
158[1/18/2016 8:30:31 PM] Silverishness: But nowhere on the site or on Skype or in text did he say a goddamn thing about resigning
159[1/18/2016 8:30:34 PM] Atlas _: He resigned without telling anyone, it seems, unless we all missed something
160[1/18/2016 8:30:57 PM] Silverishness: There's no way any of us could have missed that
161[1/18/2016 8:31:13 PM] Silverishness: Skype alone would have erupted like fucking Vesuvius
162[1/18/2016 8:31:55 PM] R'hia: I intentionally said zilch to him so that he wouldn't just stop doing his work
163[1/18/2016 8:32:18 PM] Sara: What do you mean by that?
164[1/18/2016 8:32:22 PM] R'hia: This is probably something to attempt to address with him directly. 
165
166An email may actually get his attention more than anything
167[1/18/2016 8:33:02 PM] Atlas _: But he doesn't really do his work tbh
168[1/18/2016 8:33:29 PM] *** R'hia wouldn't know, is mod not admin ;3; ***
169[1/18/2016 8:33:33 PM] Atlas _: Wasn't he supposed to be in charge of the shop?
170[1/18/2016 8:33:39 PM] Sara: [Monday, January 18, 2016 8:31 PM] R'hia: 
171
172<<< I intentionally said zilch to him so that he wouldn't just stop doing his workI'm confused by what you meant by this, Sorry.  ><
173[1/18/2016 8:34:24 PM] R'hia: Like, I was aware he wasn't doing his work, but I felt that bringing it up to him would just make him poof
174[1/18/2016 8:34:47 PM] Silverishness: Balth - Today 9:33 PM
175> Wasn't he supposed to be in charge of the shop?
176Sort of.
177[1/18/2016 8:35:25 PM] Silverishness: He was mostly ranking. So there hasn't been a lot of work to do anyway
178[1/18/2016 8:35:38 PM] Atlas _: that's true.
179[1/18/2016 8:35:43 PM] Sara: Which makes sense, but there's decisions we all make together.
180[1/18/2016 8:36:05 PM] Sara: Like, dealing with Deus would be so much fucking easier if he was an admin who was around as much as an admin should be.
181[1/18/2016 8:36:33 PM] Sara: Even if he wasn't the only source of actual contact with Deus.
182[1/18/2016 8:36:49 PM] Sara: And he is, which makes that worse.
183[1/18/2016 8:37:36 PM] R'hia: Tbh
184
185Idk how much he's beein in actual contact with deus
186[1/18/2016 8:37:53 PM] R'hia: which is something that I never even thought of and makes me feel quite sad for Deus actually
187[1/18/2016 8:37:55 PM] Sara: Which makes sense; he doesn't talk to any of us much nowadays.
188[1/18/2016 8:38:16 PM] Sara: I'm supposed to be his sister and he doesn't talk to me unless I iniate.
189[1/18/2016 8:38:16 PM] Silverishness: Deus is Elite and in charge of a plot device that hasn't budged in about, what, a year?
190[1/18/2016 8:38:33 PM] Sara: I don't know how long.
191[1/18/2016 8:39:04 PM] Silverishness: Someone check the team roster for the team Bill leads
192[1/18/2016 8:39:09 PM] Silverishness: Real quick
193[1/18/2016 8:39:10 PM] Atlas _: I will
194[1/18/2016 8:39:18 PM] Silverishness: I'm on mobile and my browser sucks
195[1/18/2016 8:39:21 PM] Silverishness: Thank you
196[1/18/2016 8:39:24 PM] Sara: Thanks dude.  I'm doing warnings at the moment.
197[1/18/2016 8:40:05 PM] Atlas _: Repair was last posted for on July 30th, if that's what you're looking for?
198[1/18/2016 8:40:28 PM] R'hia: And what sucks, is that unlike vince, Deus may not be an as flexible a situation. Relying on Vince's house's wifi, if his mom decides to cut wifi to pay for rent, he my be up shit creek without a boat
199[1/18/2016 8:40:59 PM] Atlas _: The team itself was posted March 30th
200[1/18/2016 8:41:26 PM] Atlas _: So Deus might be entirely fucked at this point, is what you're saying?
201[1/18/2016 8:41:32 PM] R'hia: To be fair Mike, the way you feel about Chasm, I feel about Cyllage
202[1/18/2016 8:41:45 PM] R'hia: I refuse to start a team knowing Apos will be there
203[1/18/2016 8:42:03 PM] R'hia: I don't know. I'll try and get in contact with him
204[1/18/2016 8:43:30 PM] Sara: Why would Apos be there?  It's your team; can't you decide who can and can't be there?
205[1/18/2016 8:43:42 PM] Silverishness: Balth - Today 9:40 PM
206> The team itself was posted March 30th
207That's what I needed. Almost a year, then
208[1/18/2016 8:44:23 PM] Silverishness: Sara - Today 9:43 PM
209> Why would Apos be there?  It's your team; can't you decide who can and can't be there?
210Team leads can't show bias for who comes onto a team. Just one of the rules.
211[1/18/2016 8:44:30 PM] R'hia: I can't just say "No, I don't like you and you trigger me, bye"
212[1/18/2016 8:44:50 PM] Atlas _: Can I ask
213[1/18/2016 8:45:00 PM] Silverishness: Balth - Today 9:44 PM
214> Can I ask
215Ask what?
216[1/18/2016 8:45:11 PM] Atlas _: Would me requesting Vince to leave Veilstone on account of poor communication be acceptable?
217[1/18/2016 8:45:37 PM] *** R'hia steps back for this one, no clue whats goin on in veilstone ***
218[1/18/2016 8:45:46 PM] Silverishness: Yes
219[1/18/2016 8:45:55 PM] Silverishness: He's unreliable as a team member
220[1/18/2016 8:46:14 PM] Silverishness: Which is why I'm still on the fence about demoting him
221[1/18/2016 8:46:22 PM] Sara: I have yet to run by him the possibility of moving Alfie from Celadon to Veilstone-- no wait, wasn't it a different team I was gonna move him to...?
222[1/18/2016 8:46:40 PM] Atlas _: I think it was Veilstone
223
224--INTERMISSION OF CHAT IN WHICH ALL CONVERSATION IS UNRELATED TO VINCENT, PROOF OBTAINABLE IF NEEDED—
225
226[1/18/2016 9:08:17 PM] Sara: Should you and I together contact Vincent, Sil?  To get his side of the story?
227[1/18/2016 9:08:32 PM] Silverishness: Skype isn't an option anymore, from what Tyler said
228[1/18/2016 9:08:40 PM] Silverishness: so it wouldn't be any good
229[1/18/2016 9:08:44 PM] Sara: Shit, right.
230[1/18/2016 9:09:07 PM] R'hia: Not a reliable one
231[1/18/2016 9:09:09 PM] Sara: I'm afraid of admitting to him that we've been talking about him.
232[1/18/2016 9:09:23 PM] R'hia: What the hell does he expect
233[1/18/2016 9:09:28 PM] Silverishness: It's not tactful
234[1/18/2016 9:09:33 PM] Silverishness: but
235[1/18/2016 9:09:34 PM] Silverishness: yeah
236[1/18/2016 9:09:40 PM] Silverishness: not like we have much of a choice
237[1/18/2016 9:09:57 PM] Sara: Cuz I have no idea how else someone would tell him that we found out he apparently thinks he resigned.
238[1/18/2016 9:10:01 PM] R'hia: Its not like admins talking about how to deal with demoting reqium was different at its core. Her roleplaying and reliability was crap.
239[1/18/2016 9:10:05 PM] *** R'hia sighs ***
240[1/18/2016 9:10:18 PM] R'hia: Why reveal that at all, tho
241[1/18/2016 9:10:22 PM] R'hia: I mean, you can
242[1/18/2016 9:10:39 PM] Silverishness: Because that's a major reason why
243[1/18/2016 9:10:40 PM] Atlas _: Because it's important tbh
244[1/18/2016 9:10:43 PM] R'hia: but reguardless of what he thinks, nobody told him to stop, and yet he stopped without resignation.
245[1/18/2016 9:10:48 PM] Silverishness: He stepped down AND TOLD NO ONE.
246[1/18/2016 9:11:07 PM] Silverishness: It's almost what Phoe did when she just left the site
247[1/18/2016 9:11:33 PM] Silverishness: Told no one if or when he'd be back, got no one to cover his job
248[1/18/2016 9:11:59 PM] *** R'hia nods ***
249[1/18/2016 9:12:20 PM] R'hia: He probably thinks leaving was a "clear message"
250[1/18/2016 9:13:23 PM] Sara: Eugh.
251[1/18/2016 9:13:44 PM] Atlas _: Nothing is a clear message with him
252[1/18/2016 9:14:21 PM] R'hia: When it all started, he thought he specifically stated he wanted his characters put in inactive
253[1/18/2016 9:14:39 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 9:13 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
254
255<<< Nothing is a clear message with himthis.
256[1/18/2016 9:14:57 PM] Silverishness: When it all started, he thought he specifically stated he wanted his characters put in inactiveYeah, and then things happened and that was no longer the case.
257[1/18/2016 9:15:14 PM] Silverishness: He even talked about doing things with Hoopa.
258[1/18/2016 9:15:41 PM] Sara: Yeah, it seeemed everything was fixed.  Or at least getting better.
259[1/18/2016 9:15:52 PM] Silverishness: Or just back to normal.
260[1/18/2016 9:15:56 PM] Atlas _: That happened a lot...
261[1/18/2016 9:16:00 PM] R'hia: (where what he really did was just not say anything)
262[1/18/2016 9:16:09 PM] Silverishness: No
263[1/18/2016 9:16:14 PM] Silverishness: he just left the chat
264[1/18/2016 9:16:17 PM] Silverishness: just
265[1/18/2016 9:16:21 PM] Silverishness: "Vince has left the chat"
266[1/18/2016 9:16:23 PM] Silverishness: and that's it
267[1/18/2016 9:16:35 PM] Sara: And I figured he was stressed and needed a few days to himself.
268[1/18/2016 9:16:50 PM] Sara: Cuz he's done that before, in admin and all his other chats.
269[1/18/2016 9:16:53 PM] Silverishness: Yep
270[1/18/2016 9:17:11 PM] Sara: And he's always come back after a few days, so I thought nothing of it.
271[1/18/2016 9:17:20 PM] Silverishness: Same as me.
272[1/18/2016 9:17:47 PM] Sara: And I think he came back to some of his chats, but not admin.
273[1/18/2016 9:17:55 PM] Silverishness: He never asked to be added back to admin, so I never did.
274[1/18/2016 9:17:58 PM] Sara: But he hasn't spoken in them for forever.
275[1/18/2016 9:17:58 PM] R'hia: I'm sorry guys >.<
276[1/18/2016 9:18:02 PM] Silverishness: because he'd just leave again
277[1/18/2016 9:18:43 PM] Sara: Like, there was a chat for me, him, and Max, where the three of us would talk plot between our characters and also just hang out.
278[1/18/2016 9:18:53 PM] Sara: But he hasn't said anything there in forever.
279[1/18/2016 9:19:37 PM] *** R'hia hugs ***
280[1/18/2016 9:20:00 PM] Silverishness: again, Skype isn't the best way for contact on an already reclusive dude, apparently.
281[1/18/2016 9:20:21 PM] Sara: The thing is, I understand that, but he never said anything.
282[1/18/2016 9:20:26 PM] Silverishness: yeah
283[1/18/2016 9:20:36 PM] Silverishness: anywhere
284[1/18/2016 9:20:37 PM] Sara: He never said "by the way I'm gonna be hanging around somewhere with no wifi from now on."
285[1/18/2016 9:20:57 PM] Atlas _: Well
286[1/18/2016 9:21:04 PM] Atlas _: It's not like texting is any better
287[1/18/2016 9:21:17 PM] Silverishness: true
288[1/18/2016 9:21:22 PM] Silverishness: at least for us
289[1/18/2016 9:21:26 PM] Silverishness: he can freely ignore us
290[1/18/2016 9:21:34 PM] Atlas _: yep :/
291[1/18/2016 9:21:40 PM] Silverishness: we're at least a thousand miles away
292[1/18/2016 9:21:53 PM] R'hia: I'm sorry
293[1/18/2016 9:22:13 PM] Silverishness: there's nothing for you to apologize for
294[1/18/2016 9:22:16 PM] Atlas _: Whenever I try to tell him about problems I'm ignored or shot down
295[1/18/2016 9:22:46 PM] Sara: The last couple times we've had anything near a conversation, I stopped replying because I had nothing left to say.  I'm so angry with him but I have to pretend I'm not because I know stuff I'm not supposed to know.
296[1/18/2016 9:22:57 PM] Sara: Like, stuff I learned by talking to other people about him.
297[1/18/2016 9:23:05 PM] Silverishness: like right now
298[1/18/2016 9:23:06 PM] Silverishness: lol
299[1/18/2016 9:23:09 PM] Sara: Yeah.
300[1/18/2016 9:23:31 PM] Sara: Which I hate but I don't really have a choice.
301[1/18/2016 9:23:54 PM] Silverishness: yeah, same here
302[1/18/2016 9:26:34 PM] Silverishness: sigh
303[1/18/2016 9:26:39 PM] Silverishness: so uh
304[1/18/2016 9:26:51 PM] Silverishness: sorry to completely derail the conversation, Balth
305[1/18/2016 9:26:52 PM] Silverishness: lolol
306[1/18/2016 9:27:29 PM] R'hia: don't be sorry
307[1/18/2016 9:27:33 PM] R'hia: nonoe of you be sorry
308[1/18/2016 9:27:34 PM] R'hia: please
309[1/18/2016 9:27:37 PM] R'hia: this is my fault
310[1/18/2016 9:27:51 PM] Silverishness: how, exactly?
311[1/18/2016 9:27:54 PM] R'hia: please please don't ever blame yourslvs for anything of this
312[1/18/2016 9:28:02 PM] R'hia: i brought jusin here
313[1/18/2016 9:28:09 PM] Atlas _: Sil
314[1/18/2016 9:28:10 PM] R'hia: me, I'm the only reason he came
315[1/18/2016 9:28:16 PM] Atlas _: I don't think you know
316[1/18/2016 9:28:23 PM] Silverishness: what's up, Balth?
317[1/18/2016 9:28:25 PM] Sara: Dude, calm down.  You offered a friend a way out of a bad situation.
318[1/18/2016 9:28:29 PM] Atlas _: About what happened between me and Vince
319[1/18/2016 9:28:38 PM] Silverishness: Well, Rhia, it was a conversation that needed to happen
320[1/18/2016 9:29:07 PM] Silverishness: Did something else happen?
321[1/18/2016 9:29:13 PM] Sara: It's not your fault, Tyler.  You didn't make any bad choices.  You just helped a friend.
322[1/18/2016 9:29:36 PM] Atlas _: Him and Justin are together. They got together before Vince ever broke up with me.
323[1/18/2016 9:29:38 PM] R'hia: there's literally no other way
324
325noo way to excuse me
326
327it all traces back to me
328
329the reason for vince acting like this, being irresponsible
330[1/18/2016 9:29:45 PM] Atlas _: When Vince became distant, that's why.
331[1/18/2016 9:29:55 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 9:29 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
332
333<<< Him and Justin are together. They got together before Vince ever broke up with me.HOLY FUCK, DUDE.
334[1/18/2016 9:30:31 PM] Silverishness: the reason for vince acting like this, being irresponsibleYou're not his parent. Or his guardian. You are not in any way responsible for his behavior. Stop that, or I'll fucking slap you.
335[1/18/2016 9:30:41 PM] R'hia: Then SLAP ME
336[1/18/2016 9:30:51 PM] Sara: tyler, stop it, i mean it
337[1/18/2016 9:30:53 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 9:29 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
338
339<<< When Vince became distant, that's why.I'm so sorry, honey. ///MASSIVE HUGS
340[1/18/2016 9:30:55 PM] Sara: you made no choices
341[1/18/2016 9:31:01 PM] Atlas _: Tyler. Please.
342[1/18/2016 9:31:03 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 9:30 PM] R'hia: 
343
344<<< Then SLAP METhis isn't on you, dude
345[1/18/2016 9:31:13 PM] R'hia: if i hadn't brought him he wouldn't have any choice things would be ok itd be ok
346[1/18/2016 9:31:17 PM] R'hia: I'm sorry
347[1/18/2016 9:31:19 PM] *** R'hia has left ***
348[1/18/2016 9:31:24 PM] Silverishness: god fucking dammit
349[1/18/2016 9:31:30 PM] Sara: ugh
350[1/18/2016 9:32:07 PM] Sara: so yeah, that's why im so angry.  i said nothing because i wasn't sure if balth wanted you to know.
351[1/18/2016 9:32:29 PM] Silverishness: THAT FUCKING
352[1/18/2016 9:32:31 PM] Sara: i feel like i ought to go chase tyler down and say something but i really have no desire to
353[1/18/2016 9:32:32 PM] Silverishness: MMMMMMMM
354[1/18/2016 9:32:39 PM] Silverishness: Me neither
355[1/18/2016 9:32:44 PM] Silverishness: I'm too fucking tired and angry
356[1/18/2016 9:32:46 PM] Sara: i doubt hed listen anyway
357[1/18/2016 9:32:51 PM] Atlas _: I'll handle it.
358[1/18/2016 9:33:03 PM] Sara: but it sure as hell isnt his fault because all he did was invite a friend here out of a bad living situation
359[1/18/2016 9:33:04 PM] Silverishness: Oh Balth, I'm so sorry
360[1/18/2016 9:33:09 PM] Sara: he made no choices for them; they did that themselves
361[1/18/2016 9:33:19 PM] Sara: hell, he tried to stop it
362[1/18/2016 9:33:34 PM] Atlas _: I blamed myself too, just like him
363[1/18/2016 9:33:36 PM] Atlas _: but
364[1/18/2016 9:34:04 PM] Atlas _: Now that I'm not in the moment anymore, haven't been in forever, I'm just done with Vince.
365[1/18/2016 9:34:22 PM] Sara: by the way, he never told me he did that
366[1/18/2016 9:34:23 PM] Atlas _: I tried to keep our friendship going in spite of everything after all.
367[1/18/2016 9:34:41 PM] Sara: literally all he ever said was that you broke up
368[1/18/2016 9:35:05 PM] Atlas _: Ha.
369[1/18/2016 9:35:51 PM] Atlas _: Funny thing is, I was the one who said things weren't too far gone to be fixed. But he "couldn't lose Justin"
370[1/18/2016 9:36:00 PM] Sara: and asked for you to be SH'd for a few days
371[1/18/2016 9:36:24 PM] Sara: i cant believe he literally threw away his entire core group of friends for a boy
372[1/18/2016 9:36:48 PM] Sara: like, for a romantic interest who is a boy; its the oldest and dumbest trope in the book
373[1/18/2016 9:37:29 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 9:34 PM] Sara: 
374
375<<< literally all he ever said was that you broke upthat's all I got, but from Balth
376[1/18/2016 9:37:33 PM] Silverishness: since Vince doesn't talk to me.
377[1/18/2016 9:37:49 PM | Edited 9:37:02 PM] Silverishness: Fine
378[1/18/2016 9:37:52 PM] Silverishness: yeah
379[1/18/2016 9:37:56 PM] Silverishness: I'm done with him, too.
380[1/18/2016 9:38:03 PM] Silverishness: He wants to throw everything away so badly, fine.
381[1/18/2016 9:38:06 PM] Silverishness: Have fun.
382[1/18/2016 9:38:26 PM] Sara: it sorta makes me hope that his relationship with justin crashes and burns
383[1/18/2016 9:38:34 PM] Atlas _: ....me too.
384[1/18/2016 9:38:36 PM] Silverishness: It likely will.
385[1/18/2016 9:38:48 PM] Silverishness: Vince is self-destructive and that is never good for a relationship.
386[1/18/2016 9:38:54 PM] Sara: apparently theyre heavily codependant
387[1/18/2016 9:39:23 PM] Silverishness: And I somehow doubt Justin is equipped or willing to deal with that much of a dependent relationship
388[1/18/2016 9:39:25 PM] Atlas _: Apparently he was crushing on Justin two days after they met
389[1/18/2016 9:39:27 PM] Atlas _: Just saying.
390[1/18/2016 9:39:39 PM] Sara: now that i did not know
391[1/18/2016 9:39:42 PM] Sara: wtf
392[1/18/2016 9:39:56 PM] Silverishness: I told Rhia that if he threw away his relationship with you that easy, it would have happened regardless, eventually
393[1/18/2016 9:40:00 PM] Silverishness: gross
394[1/18/2016 9:40:07 PM] Sara: yeah, that's what i feel about it
395[1/18/2016 9:40:40 PM] Atlas _: I felt so used.
396[1/18/2016 9:40:51 PM] Sara: and to think i thought he learned something from the dating john fiasco
397[1/18/2016 9:40:53 PM] Silverishness: I'm so sorry, hon
398[1/18/2016 9:41:00 PM] Atlas _: "Having someone through the Internet is nothing compared to having someone there"
399[1/18/2016 9:41:05 PM] Atlas _: repeats in my head a lot
400[1/18/2016 9:41:09 PM] Sara: yeah, there's the other thing he said
401[1/18/2016 9:41:14 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 9:40 PM] Sara: 
402
403<<< and to think i thought he learned something from the dating john fiascome too
404[1/18/2016 9:41:30 PM] Atlas _: Guess I was played for a sucker
405[1/18/2016 9:41:31 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 9:41 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
406
407<<< "Having someone through the Internet is nothing compared to having someone there"Then WHY'D YOU GET INTO THIS RELATIONSHIP IN THE FIRST PLACE.
408[1/18/2016 9:41:43 PM] Silverishness: Oh, FUCK YOU, VINCE.
409[1/18/2016 9:41:51 PM] Atlas _: I asked him that
410[1/18/2016 9:41:59 PM] Sara: he stepped on basically all our relationships when he said that
411[1/18/2016 9:42:04 PM] Atlas _: "Because I was happy"
412Or something like that
413[1/18/2016 9:42:16 PM] Sara: not even just the ones we had with him, but also the one between me and gabby
414[1/18/2016 9:42:37 PM] Atlas _: His confession was blaming himself yet simultaneously blaming me tbh
415[1/18/2016 9:42:45 PM] Sara: and it made me so mad that he desecrated a relationship he's not even part of but that in the past hes praised as being super cute and stuff
416[1/18/2016 9:43:02 PM] Silverishness: ugh
417[1/18/2016 9:43:28 PM] Sara: and 
418[Monday, January 18, 2016 9:42 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
419
420<<< His confession was blaming himself yet simultaneously blaming me tbhyeah that also made me mad
421[1/18/2016 9:43:48 PM] Atlas _: I wish I still had it.
422[1/18/2016 9:44:30 PM] Atlas _: I remember something about him never knowing love or real happiness before Justin
423[1/18/2016 9:44:47 PM] Atlas _: Nice thing to say to the one you cheated on, right?
424[1/18/2016 9:44:53 PM] Sara: wtf
425[1/18/2016 9:45:22 PM] Silverishness: Rhia wants back in
426[1/18/2016 9:45:24 PM] Silverishness: hold on
427[1/18/2016 9:45:36 PM] Sara: sure
428[1/18/2016 9:46:00 PM] *** Karl Thomas: Soviet Magic Man added R'hia ***
429[1/18/2016 9:46:44 PM] R'hia: sorry about that...
430[1/18/2016 9:46:47 PM] Silverishness: it's ok
431[1/18/2016 9:46:51 PM] Sara: its fine
432[1/18/2016 9:46:54 PM] Silverishness: at least you said something
433[1/18/2016 9:47:06 PM] R'hia: ?
434[1/18/2016 9:47:15 PM] Silverishness: you talked to us before leaving
435[1/18/2016 9:47:25 PM] Silverishness: just... very, very bitter right now, don't mind me
436[1/18/2016 9:47:34 PM] Sara: we all are, dear
437[1/18/2016 9:47:40 PM] Atlas _: I've been bitter too
438[1/18/2016 9:47:49 PM] Sara: god how do i even break this to max
439[1/18/2016 9:48:09 PM] Atlas _: I'm so bitter I can't log into my main account, I don't want to see his name in the userlist
440[1/18/2016 9:48:14 PM] R'hia: ill brb, guys
441[1/18/2016 9:48:15 PM] R'hia: ahah
442[1/18/2016 9:48:21 PM] R'hia: assuming hes fucking logged on in 24 hours
443[1/18/2016 9:48:26 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 9:47 PM] Sara: 
444
445<<< god how do i even break this to maxI don't even know
446[1/18/2016 9:48:28 PM] Atlas _: Zapdos, today
447[1/18/2016 9:48:29 PM] Sara: he has, actually
448[1/18/2016 9:48:40 PM] Sara: zapdos is on right now
449[1/18/2016 9:48:42 PM] Atlas _: Which means he ignored my text
450[1/18/2016 9:48:45 PM] Silverishness: you wanna add Max to this chat?
451[1/18/2016 9:48:55 PM] Sara: ah shit, should i?
452[1/18/2016 9:48:55 PM] Atlas _: I'd be okay with it
453[1/18/2016 9:48:57 PM] Silverishness: just... let her read?
454[1/18/2016 9:49:11 PM] Sara: nnnngh.  all right.  let me contact her first.
455[1/18/2016 9:49:24 PM] R'hia: but yeah, I'm sorry, I'm just... stuff has happened between me and vince in person and its weighing
456[1/18/2016 9:50:14 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 9:49 PM] R'hia: 
457
458<<< but yeah, I'm sorry, I'm just... stuff has happened between me and vince in person and its weighingIt's what friends are for, hon
459[1/18/2016 9:50:23 PM] *** Silverishness hugs ***
460[1/18/2016 9:51:43 PM] Silverishness: he's bound and determined to toss everything in the fucking pot
461[1/18/2016 9:54:51 PM] Sara: balth darling?
462[1/18/2016 9:55:11 PM] Sara: for max to read the chat, there needs to be specific things ticked off on the chat settings.
463[1/18/2016 9:55:16 PM] Sara: you're the creator, so you have to do that
464[1/18/2016 9:55:27 PM] Atlas _: You need chat history?
465[1/18/2016 9:55:33 PM] Sara: yes, dear
466[1/18/2016 9:55:47 PM] Sara: tic off "make chat history available to new joiners" in the settings.
467[1/18/2016 9:55:53 PM] Sara: so that she can read it all
468[1/18/2016 9:56:29 PM] Atlas _: okay, done
469[1/18/2016 9:56:49 PM] *** Sara added Maximum (Cerival) ***
470[1/18/2016 9:56:53 PM] Sara: there you go, sweetie
471[1/18/2016 9:57:00 PM] Sara: i'll let you read at your own pace
472[1/18/2016 9:57:18 PM] Silverishness: yeah, I imagine it'll take a while
473[1/18/2016 9:59:44 PM] R'hia: nacl..
474[1/18/2016 9:59:47 PM] R'hia: back.*
475[1/18/2016 10:00:16 PM] *** R'hia hugs max ***
476[1/18/2016 10:00:26 PM] *** Silverishness hugs everyone ***
477[1/18/2016 10:02:25 PM] R'hia: apparently theyre heavily codependant>extremely true
478[1/18/2016 10:02:41 PM] Atlas _: not healthy :/
479[1/18/2016 10:02:57 PM] Silverishness: No
480[1/18/2016 10:03:00 PM] Silverishness: it's not
481[1/18/2016 10:03:02 PM] Sara: i was wondering if you could elaborate what you mean by that?
482[1/18/2016 10:03:09 PM] Silverishness: that's how my relationship was for a while
483[1/18/2016 10:03:28 PM] Atlas _: Did ours ever come off as codependent?
484[1/18/2016 10:03:33 PM] Sara: like, in what way is it codependant?  i believe you, i just feel like details would help me better understand the situation
485[1/18/2016 10:03:41 PM] R'hia: Apparently he was crushing on Justin two days after they met>also true, give or take a few more days. Why? "He's asexual, too [blabla] and i can trust him to never want that"
486
487like
488
489fuck you. how dare you base something like that off of something that is basically a human instinct
490[1/18/2016 10:04:01 PM] Atlas _: WHAT?
491[1/18/2016 10:04:09 PM] Atlas _: WHAT??
492[1/18/2016 10:04:18 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:03 PM] R'hia: 
493
494<<< "He's asexual, too [blabla] and i can trust him to never want that"What, he couldn't trust Balth??
495[1/18/2016 10:04:25 PM] Atlas _: I FUCKING HAD INSECURITIES WITH MY SEXUALITY
496[1/18/2016 10:04:29 PM] Atlas _: I TOLD HIM
497[1/18/2016 10:04:45 PM] Atlas _: AND HE SAID HE DIDN'T CARE IF WE EVER DID ANYTHING OR NOT
498[1/18/2016 10:04:50 PM] Atlas _: I...i...
499[1/18/2016 10:04:53 PM] R'hia: Codependant is not the same thing as supportive
500[1/18/2016 10:05:03 PM] R'hia: your relationship was supportive, mike, for a while
501[1/18/2016 10:05:13 PM] Silverishness: Oh, Balth
502[1/18/2016 10:05:16 PM] Atlas _: I would have never forced him to...
503[1/18/2016 10:05:25 PM] *** Silverishness hugs Balth ***
504[1/18/2016 10:05:26 PM] Atlas _: who does he think I am anymore?
505[1/18/2016 10:05:27 PM] Sara: im confused; who's the "he" in that
506[1/18/2016 10:05:37 PM] *** R'hia hugs ***
507[1/18/2016 10:05:46 PM] R'hia: he probably didn't
508
509then he fucking changed
510[1/18/2016 10:05:48 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:05 PM] Sara: 
511
512<<< im confused; who's the "he" in thatwhere?
513[1/18/2016 10:06:05 PM] Sara: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:03 PM] R'hia: 
514
515<<< also true, give or take a few more days. Why? "He's asexual, too [blabla] and i can trust him to never want that"here
516[1/18/2016 10:06:10 PM] Sara: whos the he there?
517[1/18/2016 10:06:15 PM | Edited 10:05:29 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:04 PM] Karl Thomas: Soviet Magic Man: 
518
519<<< "He's asexual, too [blabla] and i can trust him to never want that"That?
520Justin
521[1/18/2016 10:06:26 PM] Atlas _: his knight in fucking shining armor
522[1/18/2016 10:06:32 PM] Atlas _: His fairytale goddamn prince
523[1/18/2016 10:06:50 PM] Atlas _: I'M SORRY I'M A HUMAN FUCKING BEING WHO'S NOT PERFECT, VINCE
524[1/18/2016 10:06:58 PM] Silverishness: Christ
525[1/18/2016 10:07:20 PM] Sara: has he just always been like this and i never noticed?
526[1/18/2016 10:07:21 PM] Atlas _: who was I to him after he met Justin...
527[1/18/2016 10:07:38 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:07 PM] Sara: 
528
529<<< has he just always been like this and i never noticed?I feel like a fucking fool, if so
530[1/18/2016 10:07:44 PM] Sara: me too
531[1/18/2016 10:07:54 PM] Sara: i called him my sibling
532[1/18/2016 10:07:57 PM] Atlas _: you know...
533[1/18/2016 10:08:00 PM] R'hia: Justin isnt
534[1/18/2016 10:08:01 PM] Sara: he knows stuff about me no one else does
535[1/18/2016 10:08:11 PM] Atlas _: his confession...happened five days before our anniversary
536[1/18/2016 10:08:13 PM | Edited 10:07:26 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:07 PM] Sara: 
537
538<<< me too
539i called him my siblingMe too, actually
540[1/18/2016 10:08:14 PM] R'hia: isn't perfect that is
541[1/18/2016 10:08:36 PM] Atlas _: He made plans for it...
542[1/18/2016 10:08:43 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Oh my god
543[1/18/2016 10:08:48 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Who the hell is Justin?
544[1/18/2016 10:08:48 PM] R'hia: Mike, things between him and Justin started probably September... does that sound coincidental
545[1/18/2016 10:08:49 PM] Silverishness: I'm so sorry, Balth
546[1/18/2016 10:08:56 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug) balth
547[1/18/2016 10:09:01 PM] R'hia: Ah, hey max...
548[1/18/2016 10:09:07 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
549[1/18/2016 10:09:22 PM] Atlas _: he was lying to my face for months
550[1/18/2016 10:09:25 PM] Atlas _: months
551[1/18/2016 10:09:25 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Damn
552[1/18/2016 10:09:29 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Dude fuck
553[1/18/2016 10:09:29 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:08 PM] Maximum (Cerival): 
554
555<<< Who the hell is Justin?Keep reading
556[1/18/2016 10:09:31 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
557[1/18/2016 10:09:34 PM] Atlas _: Lying about how much I meant
558[1/18/2016 10:09:36 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I finished
559[1/18/2016 10:09:46 PM] Silverishness: Oh. Justin is his new fling.
560[1/18/2016 10:09:46 PM] Atlas _: Lied about loving me and I fell for it
561[1/18/2016 10:09:52 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Idk who he is beyond "love at first sight"
562[1/18/2016 10:09:56 PM] Silverishness: you had no way of knowing, Balth
563[1/18/2016 10:09:57 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Balth bb
564[1/18/2016 10:10:03 PM] Atlas _: I had suspicions
565[1/18/2016 10:10:07 PM] Silverishness: still
566[1/18/2016 10:10:13 PM] Silverishness: don't blame this on you
567[1/18/2016 10:10:18 PM] Atlas _: I won't
568[1/18/2016 10:10:23 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
569[1/18/2016 10:10:26 PM] Silverishness: Blame this on the selfish, thoughtless CESSPOOL that hurt you
570[1/18/2016 10:10:30 PM] Maximum (Cerival): You all need hugs (hug)
571[1/18/2016 10:10:49 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Damn
572[1/18/2016 10:10:54 PM] Silverishness: I am livid.
573[1/18/2016 10:11:00 PM] Silverishness: Livid.
574[1/18/2016 10:11:01 PM] Maximum (Cerival): So he completely poofed
575[1/18/2016 10:11:04 PM] Silverishness: YEP.
576[1/18/2016 10:11:05 PM] Maximum (Cerival): basically
577[1/18/2016 10:11:09 PM] Maximum (Cerival): because of this
578[1/18/2016 10:11:31 PM] Atlas _: Because of his dream boyfriend who was so much better than Mike
579[1/18/2016 10:11:31 PM] Sara: yeah
580[1/18/2016 10:11:53 PM] Atlas _: I forgave him 
581I was kind, I understood, I wished him and Justin a good relationship
582[1/18/2016 10:11:59 PM] Silverishness: he essentially betrayed everyone because he's "in super love"
583[1/18/2016 10:12:14 PM] R'hia: >>Justin, my friend over the net who needed a place after losing everything
584>>Invite him to be here in cali because there's someone looking for a roommate
585>>Introduce him to vince
586>>Yay me they made quick friends
587>>come September they're super close
588>>too close, spending so much time together Justin stops looking for a job, and vince overstays welcome at apartment (since only one person is paying at that time)
589>>mid October, i spot a kiss
590>>December, they're all over each other. spending days together, maybe 1 apart a week if that
591[1/18/2016 10:12:23 PM] R'hia: you should be able to put things together around that
592[1/18/2016 10:12:32 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I can understand that insecurity about the sex thing, but damn to say that to your face in such a way?
593[1/18/2016 10:12:37 PM] Atlas _: ha...
594[1/18/2016 10:12:39 PM] Atlas _: haha...
595[1/18/2016 10:12:47 PM] Atlas _: You know what...
596[1/18/2016 10:12:58 PM] Atlas _: He tried to hide the fact that they'd kissed repeatedly
597[1/18/2016 10:13:03 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
598[1/18/2016 10:13:06 PM] Atlas _: I made him tell me
599[1/18/2016 10:13:16 PM] R'hia: He wha
600[1/18/2016 10:13:17 PM] R'hia: he
601[1/18/2016 10:13:20 PM] R'hia: god
602[1/18/2016 10:13:20 PM] Atlas _: And I should have made him see how much he hurt me
603[1/18/2016 10:13:30 PM] R'hia: why cant I bring myself to text him to just fuck off
604[1/18/2016 10:13:33 PM] Atlas _: I had to push him to admit it
605[1/18/2016 10:13:43 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:13 PM] R'hia: 
606
607<<< why cant I bring myself to text him to just fuck offYou're too good of a person.
608[1/18/2016 10:13:51 PM] R'hia: Jesus...
609[1/18/2016 10:13:55 PM] R'hia: You know whats worse
610[1/18/2016 10:13:57 PM] R'hia: I just
611[1/18/2016 10:14:04 PM] R'hia: remembered something that's kinda integral to all this
612[1/18/2016 10:14:09 PM] Silverishness: Please share.
613[1/18/2016 10:14:25 PM] R'hia: at one point, I had to sit down and talk to Justin because it was eating at me horribly
614[1/18/2016 10:14:28 PM] R'hia: knowing what was starting
615[1/18/2016 10:14:30 PM] R'hia: and he said
616[1/18/2016 10:14:51 PM] R'hia: "please bring vince on this conversation too" "Please talk to him about this too"
617[1/18/2016 10:15:07 PM] Atlas _: fucking
618[1/18/2016 10:15:09 PM] Atlas _: HA
619[1/18/2016 10:15:15 PM] Atlas _: HAHAHA
620[1/18/2016 10:15:18 PM] Silverishness: you're joking.
621[1/18/2016 10:15:42 PM] Atlas _: "NOW I CAN'T LOSE THEM"
622THATS WHAT VINCE SAID
623[1/18/2016 10:15:48 PM] Atlas _: TO MY FUCKING FACE
624[1/18/2016 10:15:49 PM] R'hia: Like
625[1/18/2016 10:15:55 PM] R'hia: i almost don't want to say anything
626[1/18/2016 10:15:57 PM] R'hia: but just
627[1/18/2016 10:16:01 PM] R'hia: i cant just hide it
628[1/18/2016 10:16:04 PM] Atlas _: BUT TO ME?
629"I STILL WANT YOU AS A FRIEND"
630[1/18/2016 10:16:08 PM] R'hia: that's what makes me want to leave permanantly
631[1/18/2016 10:16:42 PM] Silverishness: I'm tempted to send a very vile, angry text.
632[1/18/2016 10:17:12 PM] Atlas _: He tried to get me to hate him during his confession
633[1/18/2016 10:17:18 PM] Atlas _: And you know what
634[1/18/2016 10:17:26 PM | Edited 10:16:47 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:17 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
635
636<<< He tried to get me to hate him during his confessionMission accomplished over here.
637[1/18/2016 10:17:41 PM] Atlas _: Now I can see, I'm not someone who can do that so easily 
638because
639[1/18/2016 10:18:02 PM] Atlas _: He's made me become the better person here
640And I always was!
641[1/18/2016 10:18:31 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:18 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
642
643<<< He's made me become the better person here
644And I always was!You are
645[1/18/2016 10:18:32 PM] R'hia: Just like
646[1/18/2016 10:18:34 PM] Silverishness: you so are
647[1/18/2016 10:18:38 PM] Silverishness: you too, Tyler
648[1/18/2016 10:18:41 PM] Silverishness: and you, Sara
649[1/18/2016 10:18:47 PM] Sara: dont ever doubt that, balth
650[1/18/2016 10:18:49 PM] R'hia: the only selfish ass reason I would ask you not to
651[1/18/2016 10:18:54 PM] R'hia: is because he may finally leave me but
652[1/18/2016 10:18:55 PM] R'hia: i
653[1/18/2016 10:18:58 PM] R'hia: i wont say don't, sil
654[1/18/2016 10:19:09 PM] R'hia: i choose to support all of you
655[1/18/2016 10:19:40 PM] Silverishness: When the shit with Phoe went down, I asked people to keep their fangs put away because I had to live with her. I'll keep things to myself if it makes life easier for you, Tyler.
656[1/18/2016 10:19:42 PM] R'hia: You're a fantastic person mike
657[1/18/2016 10:19:53 PM] R'hia: I don't have to live with vince
658[1/18/2016 10:19:54 PM] R'hia: Sil
659[1/18/2016 10:19:56 PM] R'hia: do what
660[1/18/2016 10:20:00 PM] R'hia: do what you feel
661[1/18/2016 10:20:02 PM] R'hia: do what you want
662[1/18/2016 10:20:03 PM] R'hia: please
663[1/18/2016 10:20:12 PM] R'hia: please
664[1/18/2016 10:20:15 PM] Silverishness: I'm super angry right now, so I'm not entirely sure what that is.
665[1/18/2016 10:20:19 PM] R'hia: ok
666[1/18/2016 10:20:27 PM] R'hia: but don't
667
668please don't hold back on my account
669[1/18/2016 10:20:31 PM] R'hia: I'm back to solitude already
670[1/18/2016 10:20:35 PM] Silverishness: I know that my temper really clouds my vision.
671[1/18/2016 10:20:38 PM] R'hia: so
672[1/18/2016 10:20:44 PM] Sara: i'd wait until youre calmer
673[1/18/2016 10:20:47 PM | Edited 10:20:02 PM] Maximum (Cerival): All I can say is to always be careful of what is said in moments of anger
674[1/18/2016 10:20:53 PM] Sara: yeah, that
675[1/18/2016 10:20:57 PM] Atlas _: I'd say something but he's already ignoring me.
676[1/18/2016 10:20:59 PM] Silverishness: yeah, though there are some really good things in this text. I'll just save it.
677[1/18/2016 10:21:05 PM] R'hia: if i stop seeing him, its not like that's any different than now
678[1/18/2016 10:21:08 PM] Maximum (Cerival): It'd be best to keep it as professional as possible
679[1/18/2016 10:21:14 PM] Silverishness: Ha.
680[1/18/2016 10:21:14 PM] Sara: can you share it with me, sil?
681[1/18/2016 10:21:17 PM] Sara: im just curious
682[1/18/2016 10:21:26 PM] Atlas _: same >> if that's okay
683[1/18/2016 10:21:27 PM] Silverishness: I'll save the professionalism when I write his demotion message.
684[1/18/2016 10:21:28 PM] Sara: and also hoping i can learn a thing or two in confrontation...
685[1/18/2016 10:21:31 PM] R'hia: we've been professional so far max
686[1/18/2016 10:21:33 PM] R'hia: its done nothing
687[1/18/2016 10:21:42 PM] Atlas _: Vince doesn't care enough, haha...
688[1/18/2016 10:21:53 PM] R'hia: Sil, if.. if i can, id like to see
689
690if I can't refute anything in it
691
692Ill know what my answer will be
693[1/18/2016 10:22:12 PM] R'hia: I messaged you privately mike
694[1/18/2016 10:23:28 PM] R'hia: but yeah, max
695[1/18/2016 10:23:32 PM] R'hia: we have tried being civil
696[1/18/2016 10:23:39 PM] R'hia: for what is legitimately months
697[1/18/2016 10:23:43 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I've just always gotten shot down if I ever get angry
698[1/18/2016 10:23:49 PM] Maximum (Cerival): so I default to other methods
699[1/18/2016 10:23:55 PM] Sara: yeah, same here
700[1/18/2016 10:24:09 PM] Atlas _: I tried for months too
701[1/18/2016 10:24:18 PM] R'hia: if I get angry and try to say something i stop and hate myself
702[1/18/2016 10:24:20 PM] Atlas _: Probably why he doesn't listen to me at al
703[1/18/2016 10:24:45 PM] Atlas _: He's entirely forgotten everything about me, I think, thinks I'm a pushover
704[1/18/2016 10:25:00 PM] Maximum (Cerival): So he's burning bridges at this point
705[1/18/2016 10:25:20 PM] R'hia: whats worse is that idk if he knows how badly hes doing things
706[1/18/2016 10:25:28 PM] R'hia: he's 10000% tunnel vision with justin
707[1/18/2016 10:25:36 PM] Atlas _: It's taking time with me at least, but eventually he'll stop talking to me
708[1/18/2016 10:26:01 PM] Atlas _: Twelve months wiped out by one man
709[1/18/2016 10:26:14 PM] Atlas _: Four years knowing him, and I'm trash compared to this new guy
710[1/18/2016 10:26:14 PM] R'hia: Not wiped out mike
711[1/18/2016 10:26:19 PM] R'hia: because of him
712[1/18/2016 10:26:23 PM] R'hia: because of vince
713[1/18/2016 10:26:28 PM] R'hia: we all got closer
714[1/18/2016 10:26:32 PM] R'hia: if nothing else
715[1/18/2016 10:26:33 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah
716[1/18/2016 10:26:35 PM] R'hia: if NOTHING else
717[1/18/2016 10:26:38 PM] Atlas _: that's true
718[1/18/2016 10:26:39 PM] R'hia: I fucking cherish you all
719[1/18/2016 10:26:40 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I met you guys because of vince
720[1/18/2016 10:26:44 PM] Sara: me too
721[1/18/2016 10:26:47 PM] Maximum (Cerival): duma helped
722[1/18/2016 10:26:48 PM] Atlas _: I still feel so betrayed by him
723[1/18/2016 10:26:49 PM] Sara: which is why this hurts
724[1/18/2016 10:26:56 PM] Maximum (Cerival): but he was the one who brought me to that chat
725[1/18/2016 10:27:00 PM] Sara: i never would have met any of you if not for him
726[1/18/2016 10:27:00 PM] R'hia: I suck so, so, SO badly at being vocal, at initiating conversation. But all of you are fucking dear to me
727[1/18/2016 10:27:09 PM] Sara: i owe him so much and he destroyed me
728[1/18/2016 10:27:12 PM] R'hia: Maybe that was fate
729[1/18/2016 10:27:35 PM] R'hia: for him to continue his self-sustaining cycle, and bring us together?
730[1/18/2016 10:27:36 PM] R'hia: idk
731[1/18/2016 10:27:37 PM] R'hia: but
732[1/18/2016 10:27:41 PM] *** R'hia hugs ***
733[1/18/2016 10:27:44 PM] Atlas _: honestly...he really, really hurt my view of relationships
734[1/18/2016 10:27:48 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
735[1/18/2016 10:27:51 PM] R'hia: hes the only reason i ever knew about, or joined, EJ
736[1/18/2016 10:27:56 PM] Atlas _: poisoned how I used to be super romantic and sweet about it
737[1/18/2016 10:28:06 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Dude, I'm so fucking sorry.... (hug)
738[1/18/2016 10:28:16 PM] Maximum (Cerival): It's not your fault he was a twat and threw it away
739[1/18/2016 10:28:19 PM] Sara: he did the same for me but with just relationships in general
740[1/18/2016 10:28:22 PM] Silverishness: Just to warn you all, this is VERY vicious
741[1/18/2016 10:28:24 PM] Silverishness: "Hey Vince
742
743Not sure why I'm bothering with trying to contact you in the first place since I'm not Justin and everyone who isn't Justin is just a giant waste of time, but I just wanted to share with you my feelings on some very astonishing news I've gotten from your cuckold. 
744
745Yeah. I'm assuming I don't really need to say any more than that, but then again, why am I even bothering to tell you any of this when you ignore anyone not Justin? Maybe it's just that I'm beside myself with anger and this is how I vent., but whatever. 
746
747Your attitude has been disgusting. Towards your friends, your now ex, your job, your responsibilities, and you know what? Fine. Have fun with your teenaged melodrama romance. I hope you brought life preservers for when it inevitably crashes and sinks into the fathomless abyss of your own despair. You've stabbed not only me, but nearly everyone on the site that I care about, and I'm aware that you probably don't give a shit. So I'll end with this:
748
749I was wrong to have faith in you. I was wrong to fight for you. But I guess that's on me, right? I'm the sucker for believing in you."
750[1/18/2016 10:28:27 PM] Sara: like if he could do that, why not anyone else?
751[1/18/2016 10:28:53 PM] R'hia: I hope, I truly hope, that your partner in the future, whoever they are, loves you so, so much that they bring a grand, awe inspiring light back to you, and your view of relationships
752[1/18/2016 10:29:06 PM] Maximum (Cerival): ^
753[1/18/2016 10:29:36 PM] Silverishness: By the way, all of you are magical unicorns
754[1/18/2016 10:29:42 PM] Silverishness: never think otherwise.
755[1/18/2016 10:29:48 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
756[1/18/2016 10:29:53 PM] Sara: i called him my sibling and he knew stuff no one else did and what if someone else i love that much just doesnt want me anymore someday
757[1/18/2016 10:29:53 PM] R'hia: I know which unicorn i am
758[1/18/2016 10:30:03 PM] Silverishness: Also, I posted the text
759[1/18/2016 10:30:06 PM] Silverishness: it got long
760[1/18/2016 10:30:11 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I saw... and holy dang
761[1/18/2016 10:30:20 PM] Sara: there was a time he would have sworn hed always care about me, too
762[1/18/2016 10:30:29 PM] Sara: i also saw and its kinda a masterpiece
763[1/18/2016 10:30:36 PM] Atlas _: damn, Sil
764[1/18/2016 10:30:39 PM] Maximum (Cerival): bbs (hug)
765[1/18/2016 10:30:39 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:30 PM] Sara: 
766
767<<< i also saw and its kinda a masterpieceI love you
768[1/18/2016 10:30:45 PM] R'hia: I AM THIS MAGESTIC BEAST
769[1/18/2016 10:30:48 PM] Atlas _: I kinda wish he could see it tbh
770[1/18/2016 10:30:50 PM] Sara: i dont wanna doubt anyone but i kinda cant not
771[1/18/2016 10:30:51 PM] R'hia: (click to feel better about things)
772[1/18/2016 10:31:14 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Betrayal fucking sucks
773[1/18/2016 10:31:15 PM] R'hia: and you know what, about that text, sil?
774
775all I did was sigh and shrink back
776[1/18/2016 10:31:25 PM] R'hia: of all people
777[1/18/2016 10:31:33 PM] Atlas _: betrayal is fucking poison tbh
778[1/18/2016 10:31:34 PM] R'hia: like, I'm not playing 'I'm better than u'
779[1/18/2016 10:31:36 PM] R'hia: but just
780[1/18/2016 10:31:48 PM] R'hia: I'm the one probably the most desperately trying to cling to hope
781[1/18/2016 10:31:55 PM] Atlas _: ....
782[1/18/2016 10:32:14 PM] R'hia: or idk
783[1/18/2016 10:32:20 PM] Atlas _: I think all the parts of me are fighting on whether we should hope or care
784[1/18/2016 10:32:24 PM] R'hia: i feel like I'm the most BLIND of me
785[1/18/2016 10:32:27 PM] R'hia: of us
786[1/18/2016 10:32:28 PM] Sara: i wouldnt say that; even now im hesitating and fretting
787[1/18/2016 10:32:32 PM] R'hia: the most biased maybe
788[1/18/2016 10:32:34 PM] Silverishness: I'm not saying I'm better than him. I'm saying he's a little bitch for doing this, for acting like this.
789[1/18/2016 10:32:39 PM] R'hia: idk
790[1/18/2016 10:32:50 PM] R'hia: like, i have been trying to vouch for him so often
791[1/18/2016 10:33:10 PM] R'hia: all of you have gotten private messages at some point somewhat recently trying to justify one thing or another
792[1/18/2016 10:33:12 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:32 PM] Sara: 
793
794<<< i wouldnt say that; even now im hesitating and frettingI'm only so vicious because I've dealt with this before. Multiple times, from multiple people, including Vince
795[1/18/2016 10:33:24 PM] Sara: i agree, and theres no excuse for any of it, but part of me wants to forgive, part of me wants to just not care, and the other part wants to throw something heavy at him
796[1/18/2016 10:33:34 PM] R'hia: so I'm sorry for being so blinded
797[1/18/2016 10:33:41 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:33 PM] Sara: 
798
799<<< i agree, and theres no excuse for any of it, but part of me wants to forgive, part of me wants to just not care, and the other part wants to throw something heavy at himYeah, I know that feeling
800[1/18/2016 10:33:56 PM] Silverishness: so I'm sorry for being so blindedWe've all done it. And it was out of love, not hate
801[1/18/2016 10:33:56 PM] Atlas _: I want to drag my ass to California and just fucking deck him, in front of Justin
802[1/18/2016 10:34:12 PM] R'hia: tickets are cheap
803[1/18/2016 10:34:15 PM] R'hia: i could afford that
804[1/18/2016 10:34:18 PM] R'hia: er.
805[1/18/2016 10:34:22 PM] Atlas _: Funny thing is
806[1/18/2016 10:34:25 PM] Silverishness: You don't even know how often I stuck my neck out for him, against Fox, against Nighty
807[1/18/2016 10:34:30 PM] R'hia: uh. totally don't know what tickets cost idk what ur talking about
808[1/18/2016 10:34:46 PM] Atlas _: During his confession he even said "I still want to help you move here"
809Like
810[1/18/2016 10:34:57 PM] Atlas _: Why would I want to watch you and Justin take my place??!!!
811[1/18/2016 10:35:01 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:34 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
812
813<<< During his confession he even said "I still want to help you move here"What a cock.
814[1/18/2016 10:35:23 PM] R'hia: mike bb move here so we can play smach wii u
815[1/18/2016 10:35:25 PM] R'hia: smash
816[1/18/2016 10:35:30 PM] Atlas _: "Oh look, there's Vince taking Justin out on that wine date he promised me"
817[1/18/2016 10:35:32 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I don't know if I even care anymore... if he wants to burn the bridge, I'm the sort of person who will let him. I've felt offended for him, sheer fucking anger over the requiem incident, and I know I wasn't particularly close to him, but you know those moments of laughing at stupid doodles at 3 AM are still... good memories
818[1/18/2016 10:35:36 PM] R'hia: ill beet ur ass with that little mac fucker
819[1/18/2016 10:35:39 PM] Silverishness: Balth, I'm five minutes away. Come be with me
820[1/18/2016 10:35:57 PM] R'hia: Heyyy, sil. looking for a roommate?
821[1/18/2016 10:36:02 PM] R'hia: i
822[1/18/2016 10:36:05 PM] Silverishness: If only |D
823[1/18/2016 10:36:05 PM] Sara: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:35 PM] Maximum (Cerival): 
824
825<<< but you know those moments of laughing at stupid doodles at 3 AM are still... good memoriesyeah, all those late night skype calls and plotting and stuff
826[1/18/2016 10:36:11 PM] Atlas _: I would gladly be with Sil right now tbh
827[1/18/2016 10:36:14 PM] Sara: thats what hurts the most
828[1/18/2016 10:36:15 PM] R'hia: oh my god i legitimately just thought "that would actually be really nice"
829[1/18/2016 10:36:23 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:36 PM] Sara: 
830
831<<< yeah, all those late night skype calls and plotting and stuff[Monday, January 18, 2016 10:36 PM] Sara: 
832
833<<< thats what hurts the mostYeah
834[1/18/2016 10:36:24 PM] Atlas _: still have good memories and they burn in my chest
835[1/18/2016 10:36:24 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Telling dumb kid stories
836[1/18/2016 10:36:26 PM] Silverishness: that's why I'm so angry
837[1/18/2016 10:36:34 PM] Sara: coming up with brand new ideas
838[1/18/2016 10:36:36 PM] Sara: like max
839[1/18/2016 10:36:42 PM] Atlas _: you know what...he still calls me "dear"
840[1/18/2016 10:36:44 PM] Atlas _: ha...
841[1/18/2016 10:36:46 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
842[1/18/2016 10:36:46 PM] Sara: we have the triplets because of one of those late night silly calls
843[1/18/2016 10:36:49 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:36 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
844
845<<< I would gladly be with Sil right now tbhDude I want to come over, pick you up and take you to Steak and Shake
846[1/18/2016 10:36:49 PM] Maximum (Cerival): yup
847[1/18/2016 10:37:00 PM] Sara: i convinced him to take cress because of what started as a joke
848[1/18/2016 10:37:15 PM] Sara: and that snowballed into offering you cilan after i went "i'll take chili"
849[1/18/2016 10:37:19 PM] Atlas _: I have never eaten anything but a banana shake at steak and shake
850[1/18/2016 10:37:25 PM] Sara: i wanna live with sil too
851[1/18/2016 10:37:30 PM] R'hia: pfff
852[1/18/2016 10:37:31 PM] Atlas _: On the bright side
853[1/18/2016 10:37:35 PM] R'hia: start an EJ group house with sil
854[1/18/2016 10:37:43 PM] Atlas _: I can start over with most of my canon humans now
855[1/18/2016 10:37:47 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
856[1/18/2016 10:38:04 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:37 PM] R'hia: 
857
858<<< start an EJ group house with silMy sister might oppose, but I would love having you all closer.
859[1/18/2016 10:38:10 PM] R'hia: |D
860[1/18/2016 10:38:13 PM] Atlas _: //hugs
861[1/18/2016 10:38:19 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I'd get my own house/apartment, but yus
862[1/18/2016 10:38:26 PM] R'hia: Your sis would see us all and be like
863"WTF DID YOU DO SIL BRING HOME THE FUCKING CIRCUS?"
864[1/18/2016 10:38:31 PM] Maximum (Cerival): PARTY
865[1/18/2016 10:38:34 PM] Sara: itd be nice to have friends in the neighborhood for once
866[1/18/2016 10:38:37 PM] R'hia: max takes half sil takes half
867[1/18/2016 10:38:40 PM] Maximum (Cerival): PFFFFF
868[1/18/2016 10:38:49 PM] Silverishness: pfffffffffffffffft
869[1/18/2016 10:39:15 PM] Atlas _: quick question and we can go back to the house party
870[1/18/2016 10:39:22 PM] Silverishness: sure
871[1/18/2016 10:39:26 PM] Sara: of course
872[1/18/2016 10:39:41 PM] Atlas _: Losing admin means he'd lose Xatu, right?
873[1/18/2016 10:39:51 PM] Silverishness: Yes
874[1/18/2016 10:39:59 PM] Silverishness: He'd lose everything.
875[1/18/2016 10:40:03 PM] Silverishness: Fuck him.
876[1/18/2016 10:40:15 PM] Atlas _: Okay.
877[1/18/2016 10:40:22 PM] R'hia: dude I'm exactly how i act on text
878[1/18/2016 10:40:27 PM] Atlas _: Had to know, gotta replan for Morty and all
879[1/18/2016 10:40:28 PM] Silverishness: All alt accounts, all plot devices.
880[1/18/2016 10:40:35 PM] R'hia: energetic, cuddly and a lil physically clingy
881[1/18/2016 10:40:41 PM] R'hia: but overall I care a lot and can be mature XD
882[1/18/2016 10:40:46 PM] *** Silverishness gives Rhia hands to cling ***
883[1/18/2016 10:41:01 PM] *** R'hia is a lil dragon now, curls up around hand and trills ***
884[1/18/2016 10:41:04 PM] Silverishness: I'm actually incredibly shy in person
885[1/18/2016 10:41:10 PM] R'hia: I am too XD
886[1/18/2016 10:41:12 PM] R'hia: but with you guys
887[1/18/2016 10:41:12 PM] Sara: oh god me too
888[1/18/2016 10:41:13 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I'm even more shy
889[1/18/2016 10:41:16 PM] R'hia: yeah id be awkward at first
890[1/18/2016 10:41:22 PM] Silverishness: But yeah, Balth
891[1/18/2016 10:41:23 PM] Atlas _: I'll be the ice breaker
892[1/18/2016 10:41:26 PM] R'hia: but knowing me id be the one to crack the dick joke and make everyone laugh
893[1/18/2016 10:41:27 PM] Maximum (Cerival): heheh
894[1/18/2016 10:41:32 PM] Silverishness: we can replan whatever you need
895[1/18/2016 10:41:33 PM] R'hia: especially if I did my deoxys impression
896[1/18/2016 10:41:43 PM] R'hia: Like, mike
897[1/18/2016 10:41:44 PM] Atlas _: I'll have to do a ton of emergency re-planing
898[1/18/2016 10:41:51 PM] R'hia: ill help with hoomans happily
899[1/18/2016 10:41:55 PM] R'hia: rhia needs new ppl
900[1/18/2016 10:42:02 PM] Sara: we're gonna salvage what we can of the sinnoh trio
901[1/18/2016 10:42:04 PM] Maximum (Cerival): hoomans
902[1/18/2016 10:42:08 PM] Maximum (Cerival): hehe
903[1/18/2016 10:42:19 PM] Silverishness: Yeah.
904[1/18/2016 10:42:34 PM] Sara: god, what am i even gonna do with roark anymore
905[1/18/2016 10:42:49 PM] Atlas _: I'd offer to take Byron 
906but
907[1/18/2016 10:42:51 PM] Sara: at least for this first half
908[1/18/2016 10:42:58 PM] Sara: thankfully he's got shit with wallace planned
909[1/18/2016 10:43:03 PM] Atlas _: Byron was his Skype icon when he confessed |DDD
910[1/18/2016 10:43:09 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
911[1/18/2016 10:43:13 PM] Sara: yeah no; you dont have to
912[1/18/2016 10:43:22 PM] Sara: thankfully most of what we had planned was nothing concrete
913[1/18/2016 10:43:31 PM] Maximum (Cerival): so does that mean Silver and Meeting II are caput
914[1/18/2016 10:43:37 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Wait, sara, was that meant for me?
915[1/18/2016 10:43:37 PM] Sara: probably ><
916[1/18/2016 10:43:47 PM] Sara: was what, dear?
917[1/18/2016 10:43:54 PM] *** R'hia is sitting here with my only human literally tied to vince ***
918[1/18/2016 10:43:59 PM] Maximum (Cerival): [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:43 PM] Sara: 
919
920<<< yeah no; you dont have to
921thankfully most of what we had planned was nothing concrete^that part
922[1/18/2016 10:44:03 PM] Maximum (Cerival): bb
923[1/18/2016 10:44:07 PM] Atlas _: That was for me
924[1/18/2016 10:44:09 PM] R'hia: i know yall's feels
925[1/18/2016 10:44:09 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Oh derp
926[1/18/2016 10:44:29 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I think Elm was the only human that was tied to any of mine
927[1/18/2016 10:44:32 PM] Silverishness: I'll figure out Silver.
928[1/18/2016 10:44:34 PM] Maximum (Cerival): cress
929[1/18/2016 10:44:36 PM] Atlas _: All of mine were
930[1/18/2016 10:44:38 PM] Sara: i'll take elm
931[1/18/2016 10:44:44 PM] Atlas _: Except like, two I think
932[1/18/2016 10:44:49 PM] Sara: gonna need to figure out cress
933[1/18/2016 10:44:50 PM] Sara: and roark
934[1/18/2016 10:44:54 PM] Sara: and clemont and bonnie
935[1/18/2016 10:45:00 PM] Sara: they all have later plans covered, thankfully
936[1/18/2016 10:45:02 PM] R'hia: plz wait for claims because literally every human aside from cyrus i wanted has been taken the day i got money to get them ;-;
937[1/18/2016 10:45:05 PM] Sara: but no plans now
938[1/18/2016 10:45:12 PM] Maximum (Cerival): oh wait, is Nimbasa gone too?
939[1/18/2016 10:45:17 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 10:45 PM] R'hia: 
940
941<<< plz wait for claims because literally every human aside from cyrus i wanted has been taken the day i got money to get them ;-;All I ask for is Silver.
942[1/18/2016 10:45:17 PM] Maximum (Cerival): then dammit, Ingo
943[1/18/2016 10:45:18 PM] Sara: oh shit, yeah
944[1/18/2016 10:45:21 PM] Atlas _: Probably
945[1/18/2016 10:45:25 PM] Sara: fuck
946[1/18/2016 10:45:33 PM] Atlas _: RIP Siebold
947[1/18/2016 10:45:37 PM] Sara: ugh i forgot how much was riding on him
948[1/18/2016 10:45:42 PM] Maximum (Cerival): He has future shit
949[1/18/2016 10:45:47 PM] Atlas _: Chimney :/
950[1/18/2016 10:45:53 PM] Sara: SHIT
951[1/18/2016 10:45:55 PM] Atlas _: RIP Regi plot
952[1/18/2016 10:45:57 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Thankfully nothing concrete was planned for him in NImbasa
953[1/18/2016 10:46:03 PM] Maximum (Cerival): other than meeting Clemont
954[1/18/2016 10:46:11 PM] Maximum (Cerival): gdi
955[1/18/2016 10:46:15 PM] Sara: that was a major part of chili's development shit shit shit
956[1/18/2016 10:46:40 PM] Sara: and yknow i wouldnt be surprised if he leaves all together so i bet even oliver's fucked
957[1/18/2016 10:46:47 PM] Maximum (Cerival): QQ
958[1/18/2016 10:46:48 PM] Silverishness: So is Snow
959[1/18/2016 10:46:49 PM] Sara: god, ollie, my poor baby
960[1/18/2016 10:46:54 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Oliver bb
961[1/18/2016 10:47:01 PM] Silverishness: At this point, though, I'm not even mad
962[1/18/2016 10:47:01 PM] Sara: i was so hopeful for you when the site restarted...
963[1/18/2016 10:47:03 PM] Atlas _: Here lies all the future plans for Mike
964[1/18/2016 10:47:27 PM] Atlas _: Could we still salvage Snow?
965[1/18/2016 10:48:39 PM] Silverishness: Yeah
966[1/18/2016 10:48:54 PM] Silverishness: I can do it
967[1/18/2016 10:48:56 PM] Maximum (Cerival): We could figure something out with Ollie still on pallet
968[1/18/2016 10:49:02 PM] Atlas _: I'll probably have to take Lucas off eventually, but Candice can stay permanently
969[1/18/2016 10:49:02 PM] Silverishness: absolutely
970[1/18/2016 10:49:16 PM] Atlas _: No more maylenexcandice, after all
971[1/18/2016 10:50:00 PM] Sara: I'd be willing to see if I can help you with that.
972[1/18/2016 10:50:18 PM] Sara: fallarbor is probably our biggest immediate problem
973[1/18/2016 10:50:25 PM] Atlas _: Oh damn...
974[1/18/2016 10:50:30 PM] Atlas _: I forgot about it ><
975[1/18/2016 10:50:34 PM] Maximum (Cerival): And I guess that means I'm keeping Abby on Faraway indefinitely because I was thinking of sending her to Pallet because of Caine...
976[1/18/2016 10:50:47 PM] Sara: no no you can send abby to pallet; id love oliver to meet her
977[1/18/2016 10:50:56 PM] Sara: she can still be his big sister
978[1/18/2016 10:50:59 PM] Silverishness: Fallarbor is a giant, gaping problem.
979[1/18/2016 10:51:00 PM] Maximum (Cerival): yus
980[1/18/2016 10:51:02 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah.....
981[1/18/2016 10:51:17 PM] Sara: it's got so much tied to it
982[1/18/2016 10:51:19 PM] R'hia: Ahah Abeline (abbey) my absol would probably zen headbutt vince
983[1/18/2016 10:51:28 PM] Maximum (Cerival): hehehe
984[1/18/2016 10:51:36 PM] Atlas _: Fallarbor...Goddamn.
985[1/18/2016 10:51:37 PM] Sara: sara-anne, wally, and azelf all have story there
986[1/18/2016 10:51:42 PM | Edited 10:50:58 PM] Sara: so do lance and chris
987[1/18/2016 10:51:54 PM] Atlas _: I only have personal plot but still
988[1/18/2016 10:51:58 PM] Sara: and, of course, the other fallarbor members
989[1/18/2016 10:51:59 PM] Atlas _: That was huge for Chris
990[1/18/2016 10:52:01 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I was going to ask if I could have Lynn float there in the future
991[1/18/2016 10:52:08 PM] Maximum (Cerival): like way in the future
992[1/18/2016 10:52:09 PM] Sara: lynn could now probably live there
993[1/18/2016 10:52:22 PM] Maximum (Cerival): THis is true
994[1/18/2016 10:52:25 PM] Sara: of course, this largely depends on what, exactly, vincent does when he finds out what happens
995[1/18/2016 10:52:28 PM] Maximum (Cerival): yeah
996[1/18/2016 10:52:43 PM] Sara: like, what exactly he does when admin and elite are both taken
997[1/18/2016 10:52:47 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I guess we'll see exactly what happens before replanning everything
998[1/18/2016 10:52:49 PM] Silverishness: yep
999[1/18/2016 10:52:57 PM] Maximum (Cerival): but the canon humans.... yeah.....
1000[1/18/2016 10:53:07 PM] R'hia: Without vincehuman rhia is basically pointless
1001[1/18/2016 10:53:08 PM] Sara: vee isnt a canon human so fallarbor isn't neccesarily destroyed, but i wouldn't be surprised if he throws a tantrum
1002[1/18/2016 10:53:12 PM] Atlas _: Tyler
1003[1/18/2016 10:53:16 PM] Atlas _: I have Mike still
1004[1/18/2016 10:53:24 PM] R'hia: that's what I'm shooting for tbh XD
1005[1/18/2016 10:53:28 PM] R'hia: rhia and mike knowing each other
1006[1/18/2016 10:53:29 PM] Maximum (Cerival): hehe
1007[1/18/2016 10:53:41 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Rhia can make new friends maybe
1008[1/18/2016 10:54:28 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Like I knew I wasn't going to throw Lynn near one of the few things that would make her stay in one place for a while
1009[1/18/2016 10:54:47 PM] R'hia: yeah <3
1010[1/18/2016 10:55:17 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1011[1/18/2016 10:56:27 PM] Silverishness: If he does bail on Fallarbor, we can rebuild the plot
1012[1/18/2016 10:56:43 PM] Atlas _: It'd make it so much easier for me to stay tbh
1013[1/18/2016 10:56:55 PM] Silverishness: well
1014[1/18/2016 10:56:59 PM] Silverishness: it's an Elite team
1015[1/18/2016 10:57:07 PM] Silverishness: Aces are only allowed by invitation
1016[1/18/2016 10:57:12 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Y'all can ban ace members
1017[1/18/2016 10:57:13 PM] Maximum (Cerival): ninjad
1018[1/18/2016 10:57:17 PM] Silverishness: yep
1019[1/18/2016 10:57:29 PM] R'hia: I COULD COME AND BE FALLARBOR AND MIKE CAN COME BB
1020[1/18/2016 10:57:32 PM | Edited 10:56:46 PM] Silverishness: You can switch who the leader is, too
1021[1/18/2016 10:57:37 PM] Atlas _: Mike is elsewhere tho
1022[1/18/2016 10:57:38 PM] Sara: we'll see, tyler
1023[1/18/2016 10:57:47 PM] Silverishness: Chris is on Fallarbor
1024[1/18/2016 10:58:10 PM] Atlas _: And Chris is a dual too
1025[1/18/2016 10:58:37 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Well, how much were you planning on doing with Stannis?
1026[1/18/2016 10:58:55 PM] Atlas _: Well
1027[1/18/2016 10:59:08 PM] Atlas _: Originally he was supposed to die
1028If plot changes, might not happen
1029[1/18/2016 11:00:28 PM] Silverishness: well, we can figure it out
1030[1/18/2016 11:00:32 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah
1031[1/18/2016 11:00:40 PM] Silverishness: honestly, I'd fully expect Vince to leave completely
1032[1/18/2016 11:00:46 PM] Sara: yeah, agreed
1033[1/18/2016 11:00:55 PM] Maximum (Cerival): it.. wouldn't surprise me
1034[1/18/2016 11:01:02 PM] Atlas _: Same.
1035[1/18/2016 11:01:10 PM] Silverishness: that's his answer to everything
1036[1/18/2016 11:01:18 PM] Sara: im hoping he'll wake the fuck up and realize what he did but i doubt he will
1037[1/18/2016 11:01:24 PM] Atlas _: even me
1038[1/18/2016 11:01:31 PM] Sara: that would admit him being a tool
1039[1/18/2016 11:01:31 PM] Silverishness: maybe later on down the road, but certainly not soon
1040[1/18/2016 11:01:32 PM] Maximum (Cerival): It would be good if he did realize it
1041[1/18/2016 11:01:45 PM] Maximum (Cerival): but yeah... time might have to bitchslap him for us
1042[1/18/2016 11:01:54 PM] Sara: the hard part is like, writing my characters worrying about his
1043[1/18/2016 11:02:04 PM] Sara: like, oliver fretting over caine
1044[1/18/2016 11:02:10 PM] Sara: it means i cant move on, in a way
1045[1/18/2016 11:02:14 PM] Atlas _: oh man
1046[1/18/2016 11:02:17 PM] Atlas _: same...
1047[1/18/2016 11:02:39 PM] Atlas _: How will I keep Connor on hearthome if he leaves? Or Claus on Mauville?
1048[1/18/2016 11:02:47 PM] Atlas _: Among a million other things.
1049[1/18/2016 11:02:51 PM] Sara: sara-anne over vee
1050[1/18/2016 11:02:52 PM] R'hia: get them close to polnareff
1051[1/18/2016 11:03:00 PM] Maximum (Cerival): SA bb
1052[1/18/2016 11:03:13 PM] Sara: sara-anne's only two close connections are vee and lynn
1053[1/18/2016 11:03:20 PM] Sara: so i cant avoid her fretting over him
1054[1/18/2016 11:03:46 PM] Sara: hell, lance and i have a pre-script for fallarbor being written right now and vee is constantly mentioned in her pov if not aloud
1055[1/18/2016 11:03:53 PM] Maximum (Cerival): bb
1056[1/18/2016 11:03:56 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1057[1/18/2016 11:04:04 PM] Atlas _: I went to mention Chris and it made me think of one of my other characters, and my heart just dropped
1058[1/18/2016 11:04:19 PM] *** R'hia hugs mike ***
1059[1/18/2016 11:04:25 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1060[1/18/2016 11:04:26 PM] *** Silverishness hugs everyone ***
1061[1/18/2016 11:04:55 PM] Atlas _: We had so many plans, and the ones with ocs will probably never happen :/
1062[1/18/2016 11:05:09 PM] Silverishness: I'm so sorry
1063[1/18/2016 11:05:16 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Balth bb (hug)
1064[1/18/2016 11:05:25 PM] Sara: i was really looking forward to masked man and minch, too
1065[1/18/2016 11:05:47 PM] Atlas _: Chasm was one of the biggest things we ever did
1066[1/18/2016 11:06:04 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I was looking forward to the read....
1067
1068I'm... lucky that I had so few connections to him...
1069[1/18/2016 11:06:25 PM] *** R'hia hugs ***
1070[1/18/2016 11:06:35 PM] Silverishness: I... had very little, actually. Just Red and Blue, really.
1071[1/18/2016 11:06:37 PM] Atlas _: We had so much personal plot, and site plot, and now I'm the only one left of us two to give a fuck
1072[1/18/2016 11:06:38 PM] Sara: but the ones you did have were ones you were looking forward to
1073[1/18/2016 11:06:44 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Yup
1074[1/18/2016 11:06:47 PM] Maximum (Cerival): bbs
1075[1/18/2016 11:06:48 PM] Silverishness: Everything else already fell by the wayside.
1076[1/18/2016 11:06:53 PM] Sara: you loved the idea of elm and col together
1077[1/18/2016 11:06:58 PM] Sara: so did i
1078[1/18/2016 11:06:58 PM] Maximum (Cerival): absolutely
1079[1/18/2016 11:07:03 PM] Atlas _: I did too
1080[1/18/2016 11:07:11 PM] Sara: if i get elm that still gets to happen, at least
1081[1/18/2016 11:07:20 PM] Atlas _: We had a lot of couples and I'm just
1082[1/18/2016 11:07:27 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1083[1/18/2016 11:07:39 PM] Atlas _: I'm angry that Vince tried to convince me he wanted to keep them
1084[1/18/2016 11:07:43 PM] R'hia: i think I'm the lucky one ahah
1085[1/18/2016 11:07:53 PM] R'hia: i only had one char really tied with vince
1086[1/18/2016 11:07:59 PM] Silverishness: Oh yeah, there was something with Jaz
1087[1/18/2016 11:08:01 PM] Maximum (Cerival): there was a running gag about my characters falling in love with his too, but I had only one I was really looking forward to and had discussed with him about
1088[1/18/2016 11:08:21 PM] Maximum (Cerival): the others were sort of... not as discussed
1089[1/18/2016 11:08:23 PM] Maximum (Cerival): bbs
1090[1/18/2016 11:08:32 PM] Silverishness: But eh. I'll live.
1091[1/18/2016 11:08:41 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah...
1092[1/18/2016 11:08:41 PM] Silverishness: I think I was already avoiding him.
1093[1/18/2016 11:08:44 PM] Silverishness: Huh.
1094[1/18/2016 11:08:52 PM] Atlas _: Oh, fuck.
1095Jaz.
1096[1/18/2016 11:09:10 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I didn't talk much to him because of mutual awkwardness... but he sorta poofed and I talked to him even less
1097[1/18/2016 11:09:19 PM] Maximum (Cerival): oh dang, Morty....
1098[1/18/2016 11:09:25 PM] Sara: we talked fairly frequently in that chat with him
1099[1/18/2016 11:09:25 PM] Atlas _: yep
1100[1/18/2016 11:09:28 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah
1101[1/18/2016 11:09:35 PM] Sara: the one we called "triplet pain"
1102[1/18/2016 11:09:46 PM] R'hia: Half the reasons I'm having to skip is because of how fucked up i am from all this tbh
1103[1/18/2016 11:09:54 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1104[1/18/2016 11:09:59 PM] Atlas _: that's why I skipped on chasm
1105[1/18/2016 11:10:15 PM] *** R'hia nods ***
1106[1/18/2016 11:10:49 PM] Maximum (Cerival): ...The last time we had an actual conversation and not just a yo need a thing thing was in october
1107[1/18/2016 11:10:55 PM] Sara: yeah
1108[1/18/2016 11:11:02 PM] Atlas _: Sounds about right
1109[1/18/2016 11:11:08 PM | Edited 11:10:21 PM] Silverishness: yep
1110[1/18/2016 11:11:19 PM] Silverishness: that was the last time he was consistent in posting
1111[1/18/2016 11:11:26 PM] Atlas _: And with talking
1112[1/18/2016 11:11:44 PM] Atlas _: He still hasn't given me my original X team back, I realise.
1113[1/18/2016 11:11:58 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1114[1/18/2016 11:12:00 PM] Atlas _: Promised about three times.
1115[1/18/2016 11:12:11 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Oh man.... I'm so sorry
1116[1/18/2016 11:12:11 PM] Silverishness: [Monday, January 18, 2016 11:11 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
1117
1118<<< He still hasn't given me my original X team back, I realise.???
1119[1/18/2016 11:12:21 PM] Maximum (Cerival): His team on pokemon x
1120[1/18/2016 11:12:29 PM] Maximum (Cerival): from the first run through I imagine
1121[1/18/2016 11:12:40 PM] Atlas _: My first one, yep, with the HP fighting Raichu
1122[1/18/2016 11:12:44 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1123[1/18/2016 11:13:09 PM] *** Maximum (Cerival) has renamed this conversation to "I need a name for this so i don't lose it" ***
1124[1/18/2016 11:13:22 PM] Maximum (Cerival): oh, I thought that was a private thing
1125[1/18/2016 11:13:24 PM] Maximum (Cerival): sorry
1126[1/18/2016 11:13:31 PM] Atlas _: It's alright
1127
1128--INTERMISSION IN WHICH CHAT MEMBERS DID A LOT OF SUPPORT TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER, RESUME NEXT DAY WITH THE EJ DEMOTION MESSAGE—
1129
1130[1/19/2016 8:45:07 AM] Silverishness: Here's the PM
1131[1/19/2016 8:46:14 AM] Silverishness: "I regret to inform you, renegade, that last night your administrators have voted to demote you to Ace. With that demotion means the loss of not only your canon humans, but any alternative accounts you may have including Harbingers, Legends, Resistance, Black Guard and Rebellion. You must also speak with your fellow Elites by the end of this week of your position in any Elite team, as you are now in a rank with an "Invitation Only" status for Elite teams. If you do not speak with those teams, you'll be automatically removed. This is effective immediately.
1132
1133No, it's not a joke this time.
1134
1135To be frank, it's overdue. After a long discussion with not only the other admins but other members on the site, we discovered that you apparently resigned your admin title and job. Which is weird, since no other admin knew. And therein lies the big problem, Vince: your communication with your colleagues and teammates, or rather, disgusting lack thereof.
1136
1137You have been difficult to get a hold of, which as you may recall, is kind of important in a collaborative setting such as this. Not only difficult-- rare. I know you are in a place where wifi is iffy and Skype is pretty much dead to you, but there are plenty of ways around it. Free wifi is in nearly every fast-food restaurant, or any major retail. Texting is also an option with not only myself, but many others here that need your input. PM on the site is also a viable option. But you haven't.
1138
1139You see, you've lacked to put in any real effort to do anything with the site since about mid October. And while I know what transpired for a while, it still doesn't erase the fact that you tried to opt out of any sort of responsibility via Safehouse violation, which is, to put it bluntly, cowardly. You've quietly tried slinking back into the shadows, which simply does not work here, Vince. And what gets me is that you KNOW that. You left an Administrator position without telling ANYBODY. Well, anyone that is ALSO an admin. If you don't see what's wrong there, there's no hope for you.
1140
1141I've said it before and I'll say it a million times over: if you want to leave, LEAVE. If you don't want to be here, that's fine. No one would judge you. But do it correctly. Make leaving posts, fucking TELL SOMEONE. Give us your fucking respect by actually making an effort in the last interaction you'll have with us instead of Safehousing everyone and forcing all your teammates to pick up YOUR slack. This behavior is childish and petty, and frankly, I've had enough of it, as have your fellow Elite members. And it is going to stop.
1142
1143Right now.
1144
1145You are unreliable as a member. You are no longer Team-leading capable because of that, as well as unfit for site plot. How can we trust and count on a member that just abandons their job, a job they once held so highly? How can we depend on a member who no longer communicates with us? Short answer is: we can't. And as those two factors are integral to the Elite rank, you are stripped of it. No probationary period, as I am tired of my generosity being spat upon since apparently, it's unwanted. Besides, you already violated our terms made in December by entering the SH without checking with me first. Twice, I might add.
1146
1147I have vouched for you countless times. Stuck my neck out against my fellow colleagues, my fellow Founder countless fucking times. Over the years, I felt you were more than a friend, but a sibling. Someone I would have a long, long friendship with, someone with whom I had a kinship. But no, this is how I am repaid. THIS is how you show that friendship. With silence. With inactivity. With SH violations and fucking garbage. With abandoning your job. So. You wanted me to stop playing nice?
1148
1149Wish granted."
1150
1151[1/19/2016 8:49:01 AM] Maximum (Cerival): //whistles
1152[1/19/2016 8:49:18 AM] Silverishness: Yep.
1153[1/19/2016 8:49:59 AM] Silverishness: this is my house.
1154[1/19/2016 8:50:23 AM] Silverishness: And I'm tired of this.... bullshit.
1155[1/19/2016 8:50:37 AM] Silverishness: And guess what. I have the power to stop it.
1156[1/19/2016 8:50:56 AM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1157[1/19/2016 8:51:01 AM] Silverishness: I've already changed the passwords on all his alt accounts
1158[1/19/2016 8:51:07 AM] Silverishness: MY GOD there were a lot.
1159[1/19/2016 8:51:13 AM] Atlas _: It's something that was desperately needed tbh
1160[1/19/2016 8:51:16 AM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah....
1161[1/19/2016 8:52:20 AM] Silverishness: What did you think, Balth?
1162[1/19/2016 8:52:38 AM] Silverishness: While I desperately wanted to call him out on what he did to you, it's not site business.
1163[1/19/2016 8:53:02 AM] Silverishness: If he replies, I will absolutely bring it up, though
1164[1/19/2016 8:53:17 AM] Silverishness: unless you'd rather I didn't
1165[1/19/2016 8:53:28 AM] Atlas _: Honestly, I'm alright with just his ej issues being called out for now, because I've wanted to shove it in his face for a long time tbh
1166[1/19/2016 8:53:30 AM] Atlas _: but
1167[1/19/2016 8:53:41 AM] Sara: Not everyone knows about that so um... this may not be the place to bring that up.
1168[1/19/2016 8:53:46 AM] Sara: Unless Balth doesn't mind.
1169[1/19/2016 8:53:55 AM] Atlas _: If he does respond, you can go ahead and do so
1170[1/19/2016 8:53:59 AM] Silverishness: ok
1171[1/19/2016 8:53:59 AM] Atlas _: I don't mind at all
1172[1/19/2016 8:54:30 AM] Silverishness: [Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:53 AM] Sara: 
1173
1174<<< Not everyone knows about that so um... this may not be the place to bring that up.I thought we talked about it in this chat?
1175[1/19/2016 8:54:48 AM] Sara: Oh wait we did, shit.  Got my chats mixed up.
1176[1/19/2016 8:54:54 AM] Sara: Sorry about that.
1177[1/19/2016 8:54:55 AM] Silverishness: lolol I do that a lot
1178[1/19/2016 8:55:00 AM] Silverishness: don't worry XD
1179[1/19/2016 8:55:15 AM] Sara: I probably won't have the backbone to call him out on it so I hope he doesn't text me.
1180[1/19/2016 8:56:28 AM] R'hia: School mornings woo
1181[1/19/2016 8:56:29 AM] Silverishness: But yeah, demotion and any other site-related punishment is only for site-related issues. I can't just demote him for being putrid rotting trash.
1182[1/19/2016 8:57:23 AM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1183[1/19/2016 8:58:21 AM] *** R'hia sighs "read it, and cant find anything wrong with it. While a little aggressive sometimes, it was for all the right reasons, and vince was never blatantly insulted, and only called out for truths." ***
1184[1/19/2016 8:58:59 AM] Silverishness: No, I'm too professional for that shit.
1185[1/19/2016 9:00:21 AM] Silverishness: not saying that the whole pm WAS professional, but I've found that truths tend to sting more than just blatant name-calling.
1186[1/19/2016 9:01:08 AM] R'hia: I wasn't really trying to say anything about your professionalism… Honestly, I'm trying to get myself to see how blind I'm just trying to be
1187[1/19/2016 9:02:11 AM] Silverishness: [Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:01 AM] R'hia: 
1188
1189<<< I wasn't really trying to say anything about your professionalism…Sorry if I sounded accusing, I wasn't trying to be
1190[1/19/2016 9:02:27 AM] Silverishness: I was more or less agreeing with you lol
1191[1/19/2016 9:03:21 AM] Atlas _: tbh
1192I don't think we were blind
1193[1/19/2016 9:03:27 AM] Atlas _: We just expected more from him
1194[1/19/2016 9:03:35 AM] R'hia: Nono you didnt sound accusing
1195[1/19/2016 9:03:46 AM] Silverishness: and we were waiting for him to go back to how we knew him
1196[1/19/2016 9:03:58 AM] Silverishness: and that wasn't happening.
1197[1/19/2016 9:04:49 AM] Atlas _: Somehow I don't think it will, at least not without a lot of time
1198[1/19/2016 9:06:58 AM] Silverishness: then that's on him
1199[1/19/2016 9:07:00 AM] Silverishness: not us
1200[1/19/2016 9:09:49 AM] Atlas _: I know
1201[1/19/2016 9:10:19 AM] Atlas _: that's why I'm not going to try anymore
1202[1/19/2016 9:10:36 AM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1203[1/19/2016 9:11:36 AM] R'hia: (Driving to school in torrential rain... Wish me safety(
1204[1/19/2016 9:15:39 AM] *** Silverishness hugs ***
1205[1/19/2016 9:20:58 AM] R'hia: Along time ago, my dad said "you and Vincent will grow apart eventually. That's just how things work. "I was irate with him… And yet here I am now, crying myself to sleep at night half the time because he was so fucking right. I hear him say that in my head every fucking day
1206[1/19/2016 9:22:04 AM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1207[1/19/2016 9:22:43 AM] Silverishness: I'm sorry hon
1208[1/19/2016 9:23:14 AM] Atlas _: If it's any consolation
1209[1/19/2016 9:23:57 AM] Atlas _: I hear the things Vince said to me in my head all the time
1210so...I guess I understand a little
1211[1/19/2016 9:28:49 AM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1212[1/19/2016 9:32:12 AM] R'hia: hugs mike, hugs sara, hugs max, hugs sil
1213[1/19/2016 9:33:19 AM] R'hia: You're all precious cinnamon buns
1214[1/19/2016 9:33:26 AM] Sara: Your father is also a cesspool of a person so really his opinion counts for shit.
1215[1/19/2016 9:35:47 AM] Silverishness: [Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:33 AM] Sara: 
1216
1217<<< Your father is also a cesspool of a person so really his opinion counts for shit.I love you
1218[1/19/2016 9:37:14 AM] Sara: Nothing but truth bombs here my friend.
1219[1/19/2016 9:37:33 AM] Silverishness: I still love you
1220[1/19/2016 9:37:41 AM] Silverishness: Also, I love the word "cesspool"
1221[1/19/2016 9:37:51 AM] Sara: It's such a fun word.
1222[1/19/2016 9:38:11 AM] Maximum (Cerival): Pffffff
1223[1/19/2016 9:41:41 AM] Silverishness: IT REALLY IS.
1224[1/19/2016 9:41:50 AM] R'hia: To be fair compared to some of the parents of others here, my dad is fine. I can deal with it
1225[1/19/2016 9:42:22 AM] Sara: There's no comparing.
1226[1/19/2016 9:42:26 AM] Sara: That's missing the point.
1227[1/19/2016 9:43:04 AM | Edited 9:42:20 AM] Sara: "oh that parent mocks their kid about this" does not excuse "that parent mocks their kid about "that."
1228[1/19/2016 9:43:16 AM] Sara: Thaaaaaaaaaat is not how that works.
1229[1/19/2016 9:43:23 AM] Sara: I ain't having none of that bullshit.
1230[1/19/2016 9:43:34 AM] Silverishness: I love you
1231[1/19/2016 9:44:14 AM] R'hia: >n< im sorry.
1232[1/19/2016 9:44:26 AM] Sara: No need to apologize.
1233[1/19/2016 9:44:40 AM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1234[1/19/2016 9:44:50 AM] *** Silverishness hugs ***
1235[1/19/2016 11:01:15 AM] R'hia: Luvs u all
1236[1/19/2016 1:27:39 PM] Silverishness: He replied.
1237[1/19/2016 1:27:46 PM] Silverishness: Would you want to see what he said?
1238[1/19/2016 1:28:00 PM] R'hia: And there goes my stomach
1239[1/19/2016 1:28:11 PM] R'hia: Pm to me please
1240[1/19/2016 1:28:14 PM] R'hia: Rather
1241[1/19/2016 1:28:31 PM] R'hia: Private skype chat instead of here since idk if others wanna see please
1242[1/19/2016 1:28:39 PM] Silverishness: ok hon
1243[1/19/2016 1:30:51 PM] Atlas _: Can you send it to me too?
1244[1/19/2016 1:30:57 PM] Silverishness: sure thing
1245[1/19/2016 1:31:09 PM] Sara: //sigh
1246[1/19/2016 1:31:16 PM] Silverishness: yeah.
1247
1248--SIL PRIVATELY SHOWS ME THE REPLY, SHOWN HERE—
1249
1250"I didn't mean to anger you and it probably sounds hollow but I am sorry, Sil. I wish the circumstances could have been different.
1251
1252I don't expect anything to change. I don't think you're joking, I have actually been having breakdowns for weeks and months because I knew me quitting EJ was coming all too soon. The depression, the numbness, you can even ask Tyler that I haven't spoken to him much at all and he's suppose to be my best friend. Skype has not worked for me since the update, I had been meaning to make a post like Nighty explaining that, but it's ok. Time doesn't work for me like it did and it's the reason I haven't been good on here anymore.
1253
1254My home situation is and will be worsening, my disability money cut and my mom's insurance tripled with no warning so for the first time in my life we have talked about not knowing how we will have food by the end of the month, she's told me the internet will likely go, so i was meaning to post somewhere that I would be gone without my control. Try to explain how scared and sick with stress I have been. But the only place I felt better was at a friend's house which had no wifi, and of course I hid from my problems, because that is how I always worked and it was a defense mechanism.
1255
1256I'm not saying anything I did was right, but I did try my best with communicating. What I was capable of, anyway. I'm sick, I've been really sick for a while now. When you told me last time through text the probation (which it was my fault for misunderstanding, I thought since I posted that I was no longer under that, but I didn't ask and I did not intend to appear like I was using you like that. I was wrong, and I am sorry) it hit me. No one seemed to believe how actually sick I am/was. Sara told me some things that I acted like they did not affect me, but they cut deep, and when you said you thought I could do it, my first thought was to hurt myself, Sil. Not even suicide, just land myself in the hospital, that way Tyler could tell y'all what happened and I would have a "legit" reason. I never believed in myself. I stared at the vile of fast acting insulin for the first time thinking of how I could take an obscene amount of it, just sit in the living room, let my mom rush me to the ER. I also thought of sitting in my chair and doing nothing and just letting the low kill me, she wouldn't know for a few hours. Or maybe it wouldn't have worked. I was texting Justin and literally begged him not to let me do it.
1257
1258Those kinds of things weren't really.. uncommon, I guess. There have been countless times when things looked bad on EJ and I decided I would be better off dead, or try to attempt it, something like that, or putting myself in a bad situation so that EJ seemed less bad. But it wasn't until Justin said the words that I realised just how bad it was. That I would throw my life away for an RP site.
1259
1260I'm very unhealthy, I am in therapy, I either sleep too much or not enough, I still have nightmares, and I am just shouldn't be on EJ anymore. I was trying to work up the courage, but all I could think of were the plot devices, the things I owed people, the people who hated me now, who would hate me, so I didn't. I wanted to ask you to take my main account, deactivate it, and I was going to ask if Hoopa could be the sole character I ran. Because through all of this, the only character I care about, feel a connection to, is Hoopa. Hoopa? Surely you can realise how out of character for me as a person that is. And if that wish can't be granted, that's fine.
1261
1262I'm going to be leaving EJ otherwise. It's more toxic to me than the bad year, when it caused me anxiety and panic attacks just from seeing the main page. It took a completely unbiased, new person in my life to tell me over and over and over how unhealthy my behaviour was for me to finally start to accept it. I still think I am a shitty human being, and a huge part of me wanted to just say "Change Zapdos' email so that I stop getting alerts please" but maybe this too little, too late will at least make you hate me less. I want to post something publicly, especially about skype because it has virtually become unusable to me and I have no idea what to do other than uninstalling and reinstalling without updates. If there is any way I could still run Hoopa, I will, but otherwise, I won't be on the site. It's not a threat or something like that, and none of this is sarcastic or something, I have been trying really hard with my words recently but i am still learning, I just want to be straight forward. Hoopa is the only character I would want to run and I am sorry it's come to that.
1263
1264Oh, and please do change Zap's email. I keep getting notifications about staff stuff and I don't want that. Also if I leave, I request my characters not be taken by adoption. The OCs, I mean. I obviously have no say with the canons. If there is any way to give any of my human claims to people I collab'd with, like you, Sara, Kitty, Mike, to take the characters that now have left a hole in their plot, I would appreciate that, too. No one deserves to get fucked over because of me.
1265
1266I hope... that's everything. I had a major breakdown lastnight because my mom scared me when she was freaking out, talking about living like in a third world country because we wouldn't have money, and i didn't eat properly yesterday so i need to recover from that first and eat before... anything."
1267
1268--RETURN TO GROUP CHAT, CONTINUING IMMEDIATELY WHERE LEFT OFF—
1269
1270[1/19/2016 1:31:30 PM] Maximum (Cerival): I...
1271[1/19/2016 1:31:31 PM] Silverishness: I knew an answer like that would probably come up.
1272[1/19/2016 1:35:10 PM] Atlas _: I don't know how to feel
1273[1/19/2016 1:35:16 PM] Silverishness: I do.
1274[1/19/2016 1:35:25 PM | Edited 1:34:41 PM] Silverishness: There were still options for him.
1275[1/19/2016 1:35:36 PM] R'hia: ^
1276[1/19/2016 1:35:41 PM] Silverishness: WE HELPED. We tried our damndest
1277[1/19/2016 1:35:45 PM] Silverishness: and he ignored it
1278[1/19/2016 1:35:49 PM] Silverishness: he still is
1279[1/19/2016 1:35:59 PM] R'hia: We tried. And I wont say he didnt try but he didnt let us help
1280[1/19/2016 1:36:05 PM] Silverishness: No
1281[1/19/2016 1:36:06 PM] Atlas _: It's still all Justin
1282[1/19/2016 1:36:12 PM] Silverishness: he's bound and determined to stay like this
1283[1/19/2016 1:36:14 PM] Atlas _: Now that I see it
1284[1/19/2016 1:36:14 PM] Silverishness: I noticed that.
1285[1/19/2016 1:36:33 PM] Atlas _: "Unbiased person"
1286[1/19/2016 1:36:38 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah...
1287[1/19/2016 1:36:46 PM] Silverishness: pfft
1288[1/19/2016 1:36:48 PM] R'hia: Im resisting the urge to break down here and now ahah
1289[1/19/2016 1:36:54 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1290[1/19/2016 1:36:57 PM] Silverishness: "Your new boy toy isn't an unbiased person."
1291[1/19/2016 1:37:01 PM] R'hia: "Supposed to be my best friend"
1292[1/19/2016 1:37:10 PM] Silverishness: Oh Tyler, I'm so sorry...
1293[1/19/2016 1:37:15 PM] Atlas _: I guess I was too biased? fuck that shit
1294[1/19/2016 1:37:16 PM] Atlas _: Tyler
1295[1/19/2016 1:37:30 PM] Atlas _: You deserve a lot better than this bullshit
1296[1/19/2016 1:37:44 PM] Atlas _: A hell of a lot better
1297[1/19/2016 1:38:19 PM] Maximum (Cerival): You do bbs
1298[1/19/2016 1:38:20 PM] R'hia: Im not even weighing in on the unbiased bs right now
1299[1/19/2016 1:38:24 PM] Atlas _: I can't understand how ej is toxic though
1300[1/19/2016 1:38:34 PM] R'hia: Through his own doing
1301[1/19/2016 1:38:43 PM] Atlas _: He blamed fox in his confession
1302[1/19/2016 1:38:46 PM] R'hia: He and justin turned it into a toxic place
1303[1/19/2016 1:38:49 PM] Silverishness: he made it toxic.
1304[1/19/2016 1:38:53 PM] Silverishness: yes
1305[1/19/2016 1:39:02 PM] Atlas _: And the funny thing is, fox is  sick too...
1306[1/19/2016 1:39:09 PM] R'hia: There were toxic people
1307
1308But it wasnt a toxic place
1309[1/19/2016 1:39:10 PM] Atlas _: And Vince thinks nobody understands that he's sick
1310[1/19/2016 1:39:12 PM] Sara: i know fox did shit, okay; that same shit is still affecting me even now
1311[1/19/2016 1:39:17 PM] Atlas _: Yet he blamed another sick person
1312[1/19/2016 1:39:18 PM] Sara: but he can't blame fox forever
1313[1/19/2016 1:39:20 PM] Sara: it was fixed
1314[1/19/2016 1:39:30 PM] R'hia: Vince always says "Fox being sick is not a fucking excuse"
1315[1/19/2016 1:39:39 PM] R'hia: Plenty viable excuse now, aint it...
1316[1/19/2016 1:39:42 PM] Atlas _: And he uses it as a personal excuse
1317[1/19/2016 1:39:54 PM] Sara: fox now has stipulations in place to ensure he never hurts us again, and he's following them, the way he promised he would
1318[1/19/2016 1:39:56 PM] Sara: it's over
1319[1/19/2016 1:40:12 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1320[1/19/2016 1:40:31 PM] Silverishness: Yep
1321[1/19/2016 1:40:42 PM] R'hia: Supposed...
1322[1/19/2016 1:40:45 PM] Silverishness: [Tuesday, January 19, 2016 1:39 PM] R'hia: 
1323
1324<<< Vince always says "Fox being sick is not a fucking excuse"
1325Plenty viable excuse now, aint it...Because he's being extremely hypocritical
1326[1/19/2016 1:40:54 PM] Atlas _: I'm fucking angry
1327[1/19/2016 1:40:58 PM] Sara: i mean i still dont trust or like fox, but he's shown hes doing what he said he would, so i trust him at least that much
1328[1/19/2016 1:41:00 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1329[1/19/2016 1:41:07 PM] Silverishness: [Tuesday, January 19, 2016 1:41 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
1330
1331<<< I'm fucking angryYou should be
1332[1/19/2016 1:41:07 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah...
1333[1/19/2016 1:41:11 PM] Sara: and i work with him when i have to, and im civil
1334[1/19/2016 1:41:11 PM] Atlas _: Vince just fucking
1335[1/19/2016 1:41:21 PM] Atlas _: Left me for some "unbiased person"
1336[1/19/2016 1:41:42 PM] Atlas _: Who told him what he wanted to hear? I guess?
1337[1/19/2016 1:41:52 PM] Sara: i dont know what to think, is "i did it; why cant he" really a fair card to pull when he isnt me?
1338[1/19/2016 1:42:00 PM] Sara: even then it's no excuse for what he did for balth
1339[1/19/2016 1:42:04 PM] Sara: theres no excuse at all for that
1340[1/19/2016 1:42:14 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Also... Said person told him that Vince was "throwing his life away for an RP site"
1341[1/19/2016 1:42:24 PM] Atlas _: Fuck him.
1342[1/19/2016 1:42:33 PM] Atlas _: Fuck them both.
1343[1/19/2016 1:42:46 PM] Silverishness: [Tuesday, January 19, 2016 1:42 PM] Iudex Gundyr: 
1344
1345<<< Fuck them both.Agreed.
1346[1/19/2016 1:42:50 PM] Atlas _: So sorry I'm not homogenous to Vince
1347[1/19/2016 1:42:54 PM] Sara: the site was a part of his life; why is that so terrible?
1348[1/19/2016 1:43:04 PM] Atlas _: So sorry that I'm not exactly like him, like Justin is
1349[1/19/2016 1:43:14 PM] Sara: it wasnt his whole life; there was a time he balanced it and his offline friends pretty fairly
1350[1/19/2016 1:43:14 PM] Silverishness: OH SHIT
1351[1/19/2016 1:43:18 PM] Silverishness: BALTH I NEED TO PICK YOU UP
1352[1/19/2016 1:43:23 PM] Silverishness: BRB
1353[1/19/2016 1:43:26 PM] Maximum (Cerival): RUN
1354[1/19/2016 1:43:29 PM] Maximum (Cerival): BB
1355[1/19/2016 1:43:30 PM] Silverishness: I NEED LIKE PANTS AND SHIT
1356[1/19/2016 1:43:31 PM] Atlas _: I'm not there yet, you have time XD
1357[1/19/2016 1:43:40 PM] Sara: thank you sil for making me laugh
1358[1/19/2016 1:43:42 PM] Atlas _: but
1359[1/19/2016 1:43:43 PM] Sara: i fucking needed that
1360[1/19/2016 1:43:46 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Pfffff
1361[1/19/2016 1:43:48 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Hehehe
1362[1/19/2016 1:43:59 PM] *** Sara has renamed this conversation to "I NEED LIKE, PANTS AND SHIT" ***
1363[1/19/2016 1:44:00 PM] Atlas _: gotta go throw my life away for a rp site
1364[1/19/2016 1:44:04 PM] Atlas _: Gladly would B)
1365[1/19/2016 1:44:31 PM] R'hia: What
1366[1/19/2016 1:44:38 PM] R'hia: Max what
1367[1/19/2016 1:44:44 PM] R'hia: Is that confirmed
1368[1/19/2016 1:45:07 PM] Maximum (Cerival): It was in that message that I saw
1369[1/19/2016 1:45:44 PM] R'hia: I skimmed tbh
1370[1/19/2016 1:45:45 PM] Atlas _: It's in the pm
1371[1/19/2016 1:45:58 PM] Atlas _: Justin convinced him his behavior towards ej was unhealthy
1372[1/19/2016 1:46:03 PM] R'hia: Because as soon as i saw... Supposed
1373
1374I just couldnt
1375[1/19/2016 1:46:08 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Bb
1376[1/19/2016 1:46:14 PM] R'hia: His behaviour TOWARDS ej was unhealthy
1377[1/19/2016 1:46:19 PM] R'hia: Ej was not unhewlthy
1378[1/19/2016 1:46:35 PM] Atlas _: He made it unhealthy :u
1379[1/19/2016 1:46:46 PM] Atlas _: He made it toxic
1380[1/19/2016 1:46:53 PM] R'hia: Yeah
1381[1/19/2016 1:47:00 PM] Atlas _: And frankly, I was on the fence about Justin as a person but...
1382[1/19/2016 1:47:23 PM] Sara: ive blocked him on tumblr but not on skype; i wonder if hell bother talking to me
1383[1/19/2016 1:47:30 PM] Atlas _: From what I've seen, he's kinda...I'm not sure if he's manipulative but they're definitely not healthy together
1384[1/19/2016 1:48:53 PM] R'hia: He's not manipluative but if he has an opinion he holds to it and is willing to voice it if asked
1385[1/19/2016 1:49:08 PM] Sara: i wonder what made him think ej is toxic
1386[1/19/2016 1:49:10 PM] R'hia: And of course with vince drooling over him, the question was asked
1387[1/19/2016 1:49:18 PM] Atlas _: Well, they're entirely too codependent
1388[1/19/2016 1:49:21 PM] Atlas _: Fucking Vince.
1389[1/19/2016 1:49:32 PM] Atlas _: I'm still not over his asexual remark tbh.
1390[1/19/2016 1:49:37 PM] R'hia: His first knowledge  of EJ was afermath of vincent having a breakdown from the fox incedent
1391[1/19/2016 1:49:53 PM] Atlas _: So he never saw the good :T
1392[1/19/2016 1:50:19 PM] R'hia: Made an assumption I cant blame him for making, ive seen vince at his worst
1393[1/19/2016 1:50:29 PM] Atlas _: True.
1394[1/19/2016 1:50:40 PM] Atlas _: But that gave them no right to do what they did anyways.
1395[1/19/2016 1:50:45 PM] Atlas _: Goddamn, I'm angry.
1396[1/19/2016 1:51:06 PM] Atlas _: Go ahead and throw away everything Vince, I'm done trying
1397[1/19/2016 1:51:26 PM] Sara: god, im sorry ollie
1398[1/19/2016 1:51:42 PM] Sara: there was a second chance to make it work and it didnt
1399[1/19/2016 1:51:48 PM] Sara: what am i gonna do with my baby now?
1400[1/19/2016 1:51:59 PM] Atlas _: haha...evergrande...
1401[1/19/2016 1:52:03 PM] Atlas _: Thanks for taking it away, Vince
1402[1/19/2016 1:52:04 PM] Sara: he was my very first; hes my little darling
1403[1/19/2016 1:52:22 PM] Sara: hell be the first one to get a gold badge, if we ever salvage pallet
1404[1/19/2016 1:52:27 PM] R'hia: Hi, mike and rhia now need new affiliations.. Lets make a bigass spider web of our characters hehehe
1405[1/19/2016 1:52:37 PM] Atlas _: I'll help however I can, Sara
1406[1/19/2016 1:52:42 PM] R'hia: Me too
1407[1/19/2016 1:52:52 PM] Atlas _: I'm probably going to be doing some deactivation a...
1408[1/19/2016 1:52:57 PM] Atlas _: *deactivations
1409[1/19/2016 1:53:49 PM] Sara: fallarbor is kinda bust now, too; gonna need to figure that one out
1410[1/19/2016 1:54:41 PM] *** R'hia hugs ***
1411[1/19/2016 1:58:07 PM] Silverishness: We'll figure it out
1412
1413--SIL GOES TO PICK UP BALTH/MIKE, LATER ON SHOWS US DRAFTED REPLY TO VINCENT’S PRIVATE MESSAGE RESPONSE—
1414
1415[1/19/2016 5:32:45 PM] Silverishness: Ok guys
1416[1/19/2016 5:32:48 PM] Silverishness: I have the reply
1417[1/19/2016 5:32:49 PM] Silverishness: Your home life has always been horrendous. I've never doubted that. And it pains me to know what more horrors await you-- all of that is terrifying. Absolutely, 1000%. And I wish, even now, that I could help you get out of that.
1418
1419But... that is not what this is about.
1420
1421I'll go through your reply bit by bit.
1422
1423[quote="Vince"] The depression, the numbness, you can even ask Tyler that I haven't spoken to him much at all and he's suppose to be my best friend.
1424[/quote]
1425
1426Ever since the probation, I've been keeping in tight contact with him. Your illnesses, both mental and physical were never in question, Vince. If things were so bad for so long, you should, as a person in a leadership position, taken the responsibility and stepped down yourself instead of waiting and hiding. I know it does little good now, but it still needs to be reiterated.
1427
1428[quote="Vince"]but I did try my best with communicating.[/quote]
1429
1430That... No, you didn't. That's the entire reason we're having this conversation, Vince, is that you DID NOT do your best at communicating. You closed yourself off from everyone, as well as allowed the barriers between you and your friends form a rift between you, between us. You allowed yourself to vanish, because that's what you do by your [i]own admittance.[/i] Right here:
1431
1432[quote="Vince"]and of course I hid from my problems, because that is how I always worked and it was a defense mechanism.
1433[/quote]
1434
1435So no. You did not try, and you haven't tried since October. While the demotion was professional, Vince, my anger towards you comes from the pain you've caused not only myself, but Sara, Night and Balth to name a few. Balth in particular. You did disgusting things, ruinous horrible things to him, a man who only wanted to fucking help you and who had the audacity to have feelings for you. 
1436
1437[quote="Vince"]No one seemed to believe how actually sick I am/was.[/quote]
1438
1439How [i]dare[/i] you. How dare you assume that we, the people that have been worrying over you and trying to help you through this awful period in your life, don't actually think you're sick. We have tried everything in our power to accommodate you, to help you, to be there for you when you needed us because we knew you were -and are- truly suffering. It disgusts me even more that you even think us capable of such a thing. Do you know us anymore? Have we warped, somehow, in your absence? Who the fuck do you think we are?
1440
1441[quote="Vince"]But it wasn't until Justin said the words that I realised just how bad it was. That I would throw my life away for an RP site.[/quote]
1442
1443Again, I reiterate-- then you should have left sooner. No one here wants you to put your health below a website. We've told you this before, thousands of times. Confront your problems sooner than fucking later, Vince. 
1444
1445[quote="Vince"]I wanted to ask you to take my main account, deactivate it, and I was going to ask if Hoopa could be the sole character I ran.[/quote]
1446
1447While I understand your connection, I have to stop you and make you consider what you just asked me. I just demoted you because you were no longer reliable as a member, Vince. And you asked to keep a Legend of significant plot importance... for reasons? You accused me of trapping you in the site before by allowing you an open deadline, and yet you want me to let you have a plot-heavy device NOW, of all times? 
1448
1449No. I cannot allow that, nor would any of the other admins.
1450
1451[quote="Vince"] It took a completely unbiased, new person in my life[/quote]
1452
1453If he only knows your side, Vince, or cares about your choices, then he's biased. That's not how that works.
1454
1455[quote="Vince"]I want to post something publicly, especially about skype because it has virtually become unusable to me and I have no idea what to do other than uninstalling and reinstalling without updates.[/quote]
1456
1457Then why didn't you? Why didn't you do anything here that you "wanted" to do? You're clearly able to get on and say things now, capable of explaining things to Justin so you're not completely incapable of communication. You can still post SOMETHING explaining what's happening, but will you? Or will you shirk away from another responsibility you owe to your friends here? Is it easier because we're online, and all you have to do is shut off a screen and POOF we're gone? That doesn't make it any better, or any less wrong. You DO owe people things, Vince. You owe us respect. You owe us closure. And if there is any decency in you at all, you'll grant us that, at least.
1458
1459[quote="Vince"]Oh, and please do change Zap's email.[/quote]
1460
1461I have. I've changed all your alt account's emails and passwords, as is normal procedure. If I missed any, let me know.
1462
1463[quote="Vince"]Also if I leave, I request my characters not be taken by adoption. The OCs, I mean. I obviously have no say with the canons. If there is any way to give any of my human claims to people I collab'd with, like you, Sara, Kitty, Mike, to take the characters that now have left a hole in their plot, I would appreciate that, too. No one deserves to get fucked over because of me.[/quote]
1464
1465If you leave correctly -by deactivating and leaving actual leaving posts for all your OC characters- then yes, I will absolutely do that. Don't worry about the canons, as they're being shifted around as we speak. But your OC's-- as long as you don't get Harbed, then they will stay safely in Inactivity as you ask. 
1466
1467Again, as I've always said to you, your health should be your top priority. Always. I doubt we'll speak much once you do leave, but please keep that in mind. Your health is the most important thing you own. Don't fuck it up. It's never worth it, no matter what the circumstances are. I'm not sure why I'm bothering trying to talk to you, since apparently all I do is make you want to put yourself in the ER,  but whatever. I have to try.
1468
1469Make your leaving posts, try to salvage what friendships you can. Get better, Vince.
1470
1471[1/19/2016 5:36:29 PM] *** R'hia can only nod slowly ***
1472
1473[1/19/2016 5:39:41 PM] Silverishness: Ok. I'm sending it.
1474[1/19/2016 5:41:21 PM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1475[1/19/2016 5:41:31 PM] Silverishness: Kay.
1476[1/19/2016 5:41:38 PM] *** R'hia hugs ***
1477[1/19/2016 5:41:45 PM] Silverishness: "tried my best with communications" MY GIANT WHITE ASS.
1478[1/19/2016 5:42:29 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah...
1479
1480--NEXT DAY—
1481
1482[1/21/2016 9:22:19 AM] Silverishness: here's his reply
1483[1/21/2016 9:22:20 AM] Silverishness: “I was already planning on doing leaving posts when I responded to you originally, I don't want it to seem like I wasn't. I'll get to them early tomorrow morning (or technically today I suppse) and the afternoon as needed, but with only six warnings, I might do the leaving post of characters without warning during the night or the next day. Idk, but they'll get done.
1484
1485I just have some quick concerns-- Since I had three active canon humans, do I do their leaving posts? I don't want to know if someone is just scooping them up, I just want to make sure they aren't harb'd because I saw Desert and Ilex on hold. Do I have to make posts for them and Calem or is it being dealt with seperately?
1486
1487And I do appreciate that the characters I leave behind here will be safe. I know members in the past have left and characters were adopted out but that just... I don't want that with my OCs. And I will be making a public post letting people know, I am not just going to vanish.
1488
1489Sorry this is short winded or anything, I just need to know about Court, Jaz, and Calem because I don't want them harb'd because I didn't ask-- OH and also Green, remove her from the team so she doesn't get harb'd if no one takes her. I know I had a lot of accounts and I just don't want anyone to slip through the cracks on accident. Elm was the only other active character I can think of, and you probably already have it under control, but I just need to double check. Don't let any of them die just because I lost the accounts, please.”
1490
1491[1/21/2016 11:23:26 AM] Atlas _: so
1492um
1493I've been talking to Vince, started about characters...I mentioned not knowing what our relationship was anymore and I got a long message in return
1494would you guys be okay if I posted it here?
1495[1/21/2016 11:23:57 AM] Maximum (Cerival): I'll be fine (hug)
1496[1/21/2016 11:26:38 AM] Sara: Sure honey.
1497[1/21/2016 11:27:30 AM] R'hia: Im down to read
1498[1/21/2016 11:27:35 AM] R'hia: Love you all
1499[1/21/2016 11:27:40 AM] R'hia: 100000% homo
1500[1/21/2016 11:27:44 AM] Atlas _: "Oh, and I tried sending you the revival tickets for claus and Crimson, but apparently I can only use them. 
1501So I am having Sil deactivate my account, but when plot leads to it, and you need either of them revived, just contact me, and I'll jump back on the site in order to use those for you. I promised em to you and I will keep by that.
1502
1503/sigh I know, and I had done nothing to figure it out or keep it, either. But that is the entire reason I am leaving ej, and I am going to make a public post more explaining hopefully later today.
1504But I am doing this to help myself, to get my shit together. I still want to save our friendship, I just have to do this hard shit first and then I can work on repaining what I can. I'd still like to talk, I am going to work on fixing my skype, and I am going to make the effort to reach out more.
1505With ej, it felt like every single person from it was always judging me, a paranoia and stress that I've carried without realising for far too long. But when I take it out of my life, I am going to be able to see people differently and be able to give them what they deserve, not just snapping and hiding in shame like I have been.
1506
1507So I know we've had this talk a million times before, but I do hope that once this is over for me in a few days or so, I'll be able to start recovering and mending bridges. Because I don't hate you, I have a lot of repressed feelings that I have to work through, but talking will do us both good. If you understand why the next week or so is going to be hell for me, and just give me that, I'll start showing you the improvement you deserve. But if you want me out of your life, if it's too much to ask, then I won't bug you.
1508
1509And I am sorry, I'm really kind of a wreck right now because I have to write a leaving post for Vee and god willing I don't want to, so if i come off strong or too emotional, i know I am right now. I'm just trying really hard to get shit back to being right again if i can at this point"
1510[1/21/2016 11:28:58 AM] Atlas _: Admittedly every part of me is screaming "don't trust him" but idk
1511[1/21/2016 11:29:25 AM] R'hia: I'm local to him so of nothing else i can report events and/or improvements
1512[1/21/2016 11:30:47 AM] R'hia: "If its too much to ask"
1513~making you the guilty party if you do ask him to leave
1514[1/21/2016 11:31:11 AM] Atlas _: if I'm being honest
1515I really shouldn't be
1516But it stung to have him ask me to understand him and his issues when he never truly tried to understand how badly he hurt me
1517[1/21/2016 11:31:20 AM] Atlas _: I even told him so.
1518[1/21/2016 11:32:23 AM] Atlas _: "I wanted our friendship to stay together, and I'm willing to give it one last try, but you've hurt me in a lot of ways that won't be going away after a few days or a week."
1519
1520I'm far too forgiving, but I'm genuinely curious to see if he will improve
1521[1/21/2016 11:32:51 AM] Atlas _: I mean, I'm still fucking pissed but we'll see what happens
1522[1/21/2016 11:33:12 AM] R'hia: To be fair I'm naïvely forgiving so, relatable
1523[1/21/2016 11:33:28 AM] Atlas _: tbh it's not forgiveness yet.
1524[1/21/2016 11:33:40 AM] Atlas _: I'm just seeing if he'll keep to his word, really.
1525[1/21/2016 11:33:50 AM] R'hia: I think I can speak for all of us saying that it would be nice to see him improve, go back to treating people right
1526
1527But we will see if that happens
1528[1/21/2016 11:34:15 AM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah
1529[1/21/2016 11:34:28 AM] Maximum (Cerival): I'd like to see him improve
1530[1/21/2016 11:34:44 AM] Atlas _: I'm still fucking done with him in a lot of ways :u
1531[1/21/2016 11:34:52 AM] Maximum (Cerival): But he hurt people and probably burnt bridges
1532[1/21/2016 11:35:07 AM] R'hia: He has done shit that none of us will forget
1533[1/21/2016 11:35:37 AM] R'hia: And to be fair, if we werent all here, we wouldnt have -known- about a good chunk of it
1534[1/21/2016 11:35:48 AM] Maximum (Cerival): So he has to be willing to deal with the fact that  things might never be the same
1535[1/21/2016 11:35:55 AM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah....
1536[1/21/2016 11:36:09 AM] Atlas _: damn. I've barely eaten because of this. 
1537But yeah. He's not getting the same trust he used to have from me.
1538[1/21/2016 11:36:33 AM] Atlas _: I'm not going to stick my neck out just to be burned again
1539[1/21/2016 11:36:41 AM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1540[1/21/2016 11:36:44 AM] R'hia: Please eat mike bb
1541[1/21/2016 11:37:00 AM] Maximum (Cerival): Yeah
1542[1/21/2016 11:37:12 AM] R'hia: To be fair, i dont know what trust is lately
1543[1/21/2016 11:37:29 AM] R'hia: Like... The concept legitimately confuses me at times
1544[1/21/2016 11:37:50 AM] R'hia: But shit happened to cause that so, i at least know what it feels like to trust
1545[1/21/2016 11:39:50 AM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1546[1/21/2016 11:48:08 AM] Atlas _: also
1547I totally didn't reply to this, but
1548[1/21/2016 11:48:41 AM] Atlas _: Tyler, if he does try to make me the guilty party if things don't work out, I will have flown beyond merely "angry"
1549[1/21/2016 11:48:49 AM] Atlas _: But hopefully that doesn't happen.
1550[1/21/2016 11:50:13 AM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1551[1/21/2016 11:50:36 AM] R'hia: Yeah
1552[1/21/2016 11:52:18 AM] Atlas _: I'm also genuinely curious as to what those "repressed feelings" regarding me are :u that's way too vague, for all I know he's pissed or something
1553[1/21/2016 11:54:01 AM] R'hia: Tbh not even i could guess
1554[1/21/2016 11:55:47 AM] Atlas _: hooray for more paranoia
1555[1/21/2016 11:55:52 AM] Maximum (Cerival): (hug)
1556[1/21/2016 11:56:37 AM] R'hia: Im here for you mike. I promise<3
1557[1/21/2016 11:58:16 AM] R'hia: We all area
1558[1/21/2016 12:00:25 PM] Maximum (Cerival): Yup
1559
1560
1561--THIS CONCLUDES THE GROUP CHAT IN ITS ENTIRETY—