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3<i>We will begin the session now.</i>
4
52
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7<i>You will remain aware</i>
8<i>of everything that goes on.</i>
9
103
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12<i>Okay.</i>
13
144
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16<i>We're going to find</i>
17<i>an incident in your life</i>
18
195
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21<i>You have</i>
22<i>an exact record of.</i>
23
246
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26<i>Then by sending you through it</i>
27<i>at the time it happened,</i>
28
297
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31<i>We're going</i>
32<i>to reduce it.</i>
33
348
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36<i>We will reduce the pain.</i>
37
389
3900:00:37,210 --> 00:00:40,180
40<i>Go to the beginning</i>
41<i>of that incident.</i>
42
4310
4400:00:40,210 --> 00:00:41,710
45<i>Tell me what's happening.</i>
46
4711
4800:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,300
49<i>Well, these things</i>
50<i>get all so...</i>
51
5212
5300:00:43,350 --> 00:00:44,710
54<i>I joined in 198--</i>
55
5613
5700:00:44,750 --> 00:00:46,800
58<i>It was a bunch of young kids,</i>
59<i>like i was young...</i>
60
6114
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63<i>We were all very heated,</i>
64<i>very excited about this.</i>
65
6615
6700:00:52,610 --> 00:00:55,390
68<i>Can you recall a time</i>
69<i>when you were happy?</i>
70
7116
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73<i>I think the first time i saw</i>
74<i>hubbard, and i was in awe...</i>
75
7617
7700:00:58,980 --> 00:01:01,030
78<i>We did, because you thought</i>
79<i>we were doing good.</i>
80
8118
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83<i>I mean, so you had</i>
84<i>some gratification.</i>
85
8619
8700:01:02,770 --> 00:01:04,780
88<i>I felt a tremendous amount</i>
89<i>of relief.</i>
90
9120
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93<i>I got the answers</i>
94<i>for everything</i>
95
9621
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98<i>Within the religion.</i>
99
10022
10100:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,070
102<i>What are you most afraid of?</i>
103
10423
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106<i> It was dark.</i>
1073:00 in the morning,</i>
108
10924
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111<i>There's a knock</i>
112<i>on the hotel-room door.</i>
113
11425
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116<i>Stop! I'll say whatever</i>
117<i>you want,</i>
118
11926
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121<i>I'll write up anything</i>
122<i>that you want.</i>
123
12427
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126<i> I flipped out.</i>
127<i>I started punching holes</i>
128<i>in the walls.</i>
129
13028
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132<i>Things didn't seem quite right.</i>
133
13429
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136<i>And you just feel</i>
137<i>so foolish at that point.</i>
138
13930
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141<i>Do you have a secret</i>
142<i>you're afraid i'll find out?</i>
143
14431
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146<i>Yes. Yes.</i>
147
14832
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150<i>Go to the beginning</i>
151<i>of that incident.</i>
152
15333
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155<i>Okay, all right.</i>
156
15734
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159<i>Tell me about it.</i>
160
16135
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163<i>I was 21 years old,</i>
164
16536
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167<i>Living in london,</i>
168<i>ontario, canada.</i>
169
17037
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172I wanted to be
173a documentary filmmaker.
174
17538
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177And someone had told me
178
17939
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181About what they called--
182they said, "there's this cult
183
18440
18500:01:51,450 --> 00:01:54,920
186"in new york
187called scientology,"
188
18941
19000:01:54,950 --> 00:01:56,320
191Which i'd never heard of.
192
19342
19400:01:56,340 --> 00:01:59,150
195"and if you give them
196all your money,
197
19843
19900:01:59,170 --> 00:02:01,860
200"they'll make anything
201possible in your life."
202
20344
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205<i>And about six months later,</i>
206<i>i was walking down the street.</i>
207
20845
20900:02:05,460 --> 00:02:08,000
210<i>This guy was there</i>
211<i>selling books.</i>
212
21346
21400:02:08,030 --> 00:02:10,030
215<i>And i realized</i>
216<i>they were all the same book--</i>
217
21847
21900:02:10,070 --> 00:02:11,830
220"dianetics,"
221
22248
22300:02:11,850 --> 00:02:14,300
224Which again,
225i had never heard of.
226
22749
22800:02:14,340 --> 00:02:17,610
229He handed me one
230and asked me to look at it.
231
23250
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234He was talking.
235I wasn't really listening
236to him.
237
23851
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240I opened the cover
241and it said--
242
24352
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245Stamped on the inside page,
246it said "church of scientology."
247
24853
24900:02:25,030 --> 00:02:28,650
250And i said,
251"take me there."
252
25354
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255<i> All right.</i>
256All right, here we go.</i>
257
25855
25900:02:30,850 --> 00:02:33,820
260<i>I'm not a great multitasker.</i>
261
26256
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264You know, and if i feel
265like doing something,
266that's what i do.
267
26857
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270And, uh,
271i was into this shit,
272
27358
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275And i was becoming
276an auditor.
277
27859
27900:02:43,830 --> 00:02:47,300
280Like, i was in scientology
281probably four months,
282
28360
28400:02:47,340 --> 00:02:51,720
285And i had done more
286than john travolta had done,
287
28861
28900:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,610
290And he'd been there
291for 85 years or some shit.
292
29362
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295My agents called, you know,
296"you got an audition."
297
29863
29900:02:58,920 --> 00:03:01,520
300"eh, fuck it, i don't really--"
301you know what i mean?
302
30364
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305I was on--
306i'm on a spiritual adventure,
307
30865
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310And this was like, "whoa,
311this is an interesting road."
312
31366
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315You know?
316
31767
31800:03:08,730 --> 00:03:13,280
319So, uh,
320what was the question?
321
32268
32300:03:13,330 --> 00:03:17,920
324<i> So tell me,</i>
325<i>how was it you first</i>
326<i>got involved in scientology?</i>
327
32869
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330<i>Well, i was introduced to it</i>
331<i>by some friends.</i>
332
33370
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335I don't know if they said it
336or if it was just talked about
337
33871
33900:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,120
340By others that
341they had super powers.
342
34372
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345And i-- i was, like,
346really young,
347
34873
34900:03:29,210 --> 00:03:31,760
350But i thought, "i'd like
351to have super powers!"
352
35374
35400:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,020
355But also i had done
356so much...
357
35875
35900:03:36,050 --> 00:03:37,190
360Political-social work.
361
36276
36300:03:37,220 --> 00:03:40,860
364<i>So this really looked like--</i>
365<i>that it was a solution</i>
366
36777
36800:03:40,890 --> 00:03:42,860
369<i>To handling a lot</i>
370<i>of the world's problems.</i>
371
37278
37300:03:42,890 --> 00:03:45,560
374<i>Instead of trying</i>
375<i>to handle things en masse,</i>
376
37779
37800:03:45,610 --> 00:03:47,200
379You could deal with it
380person by person,
381
38280
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384Make each person better,
385and thus the world would
386get better and surer.
387
38881
38900:04:03,160 --> 00:04:04,780
390Well, thank you very much,
391
39282
39300:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,950
394And welcome
395to our whole new world.
396
39783
39800:04:07,970 --> 00:04:10,790
399It's a world where
400the operative phrase reads...
401
40284
40300:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,970
404"exceeding all expectations,
405
40685
40700:04:13,010 --> 00:04:15,090
408"transcending all parameters,
409
41086
41100:04:15,130 --> 00:04:18,060
412"extending the boundaries
413beyond any boundary,
414
41587
41600:04:18,100 --> 00:04:21,680
417"not to mention
418godspeed, lightning speed,
419
42088
42100:04:21,730 --> 00:04:25,300
422"and a quantum leap
423in sheer rapidity of progress
424up the bridge."
425
42689
42700:04:29,710 --> 00:04:33,380
428<i>We're out to make every life</i>
429<i>extraordinary.</i>
430
43190
43200:04:33,410 --> 00:04:37,480
433And if by chance
434it ever seems laborious
435or a sacrifice,
436
43791
43800:04:37,500 --> 00:04:42,200
439Then you are looking
440at the offramps instead
441of the highway.
442
44392
44400:04:42,250 --> 00:04:45,590
445You are missing
446the signpost up ahead,
447
44893
44900:04:45,620 --> 00:04:49,760
450The one that reads,
451"next stop, infinity."
452
45394
45400:04:53,550 --> 00:04:57,680
455<i>Probably my favorite concept</i>
456<i>of scientology</i>
457
45895
45900:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,020
460Is a world
461without criminality,
462
46396
46400:05:00,050 --> 00:05:03,270
465A world without war,
466and a world without insanity.
467
46897
46900:05:03,310 --> 00:05:06,610
470And i know
471of no other group
472
47398
47400:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,560
475That their goals
476are that clear.
477
47899
47900:05:09,610 --> 00:05:15,070
480Look, i don't--
481you name me another philosophy,
482
483100
48400:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,540
485Religion, or technology
486
487101
48800:05:17,570 --> 00:05:22,040
489That one of its main goals--
490besides the three
491i mentioned earlier--
492
493102
49400:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,360
495Where joy
496is the operative concept.
497
498103
49900:05:26,380 --> 00:05:28,660
500<i></i>
501
502104
50300:05:30,420 --> 00:05:32,880
504These are
505the times now, people.
506
507105
50800:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,510
509Okay? These are the times
510we will all remember.
511
512106
51300:05:37,540 --> 00:05:39,340
514Were you there?
515
516107
51700:05:39,380 --> 00:05:41,560
518What did you do?
519
520108
52100:05:42,430 --> 00:05:44,150
522So what do you say?
523Can we clean this place up?
524
525109
52600:05:44,180 --> 00:05:46,480
527Yeah!
528
529110
53000:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,650
531Okay.
532Because we're counting on you.
533
534111
53500:05:49,690 --> 00:05:52,570
536okay?
537
538112
53900:05:52,610 --> 00:05:54,820
540All right?
541To lrh!
542
543113
54400:05:56,780 --> 00:05:58,060
545Hip-hip--
546Hooray!
547
548114
54900:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,360
550Hip-hip--
551Hooray!
552
553115
55400:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,200
555Hip-hip--
556Hooray!
557
558116
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560<i>Scientology is such a subject</i>
561<i>of fascination for people.</i>
562
563117
56400:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,710
565How did you get engaged
566in the story?
567
568118
56900:06:10,740 --> 00:06:12,960
570Well, i've always
571been interested in religions
572
573119
57400:06:13,010 --> 00:06:16,760
575And why people believe
576one idea rather than another.
577
578120
57900:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,320
580<i>I've studied jonestown,</i>
581<i>radical islam.</i>
582
583121
58400:06:21,350 --> 00:06:24,120
585<i>They're oftentimes</i>
586<i>good-hearted people--</i>
587
588122
58900:06:24,150 --> 00:06:28,590
590Idealistic, but full of
591a kind of crushing certainty
592
593123
59400:06:28,610 --> 00:06:31,430
595That eliminates doubt.
596
597124
59800:06:31,450 --> 00:06:35,310
599You know, my goal
600wasn't to write an exposé.
601
602125
60300:06:35,370 --> 00:06:37,950
604It was simply
605to understand scientology,
606
607126
60800:06:37,990 --> 00:06:40,490
609Trying to understand
610what people get out of it.
611
612127
61300:06:40,540 --> 00:06:42,600
614You know, why do they
615go into it in the first place?
616
617128
61800:06:42,620 --> 00:06:46,460
619<i>I was</i>
620<i>interested in intelligent</i>
621<i>and skeptical people</i>
622
623129
62400:06:46,490 --> 00:06:48,880
625<i>Who are drawn</i>
626<i>into a belief system</i>
627
628130
62900:06:48,910 --> 00:06:51,050
630<i>And wind up acting</i>
631<i>on those beliefs</i>
632
633131
63400:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,670
635<i>In ways they never</i>
636<i>thought they would.</i>
637
638132
63900:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,590
640<i>The church of scientology</i>
641<i>turned out to be</i>
642
643133
64400:07:05,630 --> 00:07:07,800
645<i>Two offices</i>
646<i>above a woolworth's store.</i>
647
648134
64900:07:07,810 --> 00:07:10,480
650He asked me,
651"what's ruining your life?"
652
653135
65400:07:10,570 --> 00:07:12,300
655I said,
656"oh, i'm in love.
657
658136
65900:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,240
660"i'm in love with this woman.
661It's impossible.
662
663137
66400:07:14,270 --> 00:07:16,020
665"i don't know what to do.
666I need some help."
667
668138
66900:07:16,070 --> 00:07:18,660
670And he said,
671"we can help you with that."
672
673139
67400:07:18,690 --> 00:07:20,330
675I said, "really?"
676"yes."
677
678140
67900:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,310
680<i>And i ran home and got her,</i>
681<i>and i said, "we have to</i>
682<i>sign up for this.</i>
683
684141
68500:07:23,330 --> 00:07:26,160
686<i>"it sounds really good.</i>
687<i>It could save</i>
688<i>our relationship."</i>
689
690142
69100:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,780
692<i>So we both signed up</i>
693<i>the next day to do a course,</i>
694
695143
69600:07:29,820 --> 00:07:32,450
697<i>Which i think cost $50.</i>
698
699144
70000:07:32,490 --> 00:07:34,320
701<i>The thing that</i>
702<i>absolutely got me</i>
703
704145
70500:07:34,340 --> 00:07:35,790
706<i>And stayed with me forever</i>
707
708146
70900:07:35,830 --> 00:07:37,880
710<i>Was the very first thing</i>
711<i>i read when you open</i>
712<i>the course pack,</i>
713
714147
71500:07:37,930 --> 00:07:39,960
716<i>And it said--</i>
717<i>i'm paraphrasing--</i>
718
719148
72000:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,830
721<i>"don't believe any of this.</i>
722<i>If it works for you, great.</i>
723
724149
72500:07:43,850 --> 00:07:46,330
726<i>"if it doesn't, discard it."</i>
727
728150
72900:07:46,350 --> 00:07:48,690
730I was troubled by the fact
731that they called it a religion,
732
733151
73400:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,340
735But i figured,
736"oh, it's some tax scam.
737It's fine with me.
738
739152
74000:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,890
741"i don't really care about that
742as long as it works."
743
744153
74500:07:53,940 --> 00:07:58,110
746The first exercise,
747after you do all this reading
748and stuff like that,
749
750154
75100:07:58,150 --> 00:08:01,400
752Is this thing called
753o-t-t-r-0,
754
755155
75600:08:01,450 --> 00:08:04,850
757Which is basically,
758you stand-- you sit
759
760156
76100:08:04,870 --> 00:08:08,370
762Just like this,
763eyes closed,
764
765157
76600:08:08,410 --> 00:08:11,490
767Three feet away
768from somebody who's
769doing the same thing,
770
771158
77200:08:11,530 --> 00:08:15,580
773And you basically
774confront them.
775
776159
77700:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,250
778You know?
779
780160
78100:08:18,300 --> 00:08:23,050
782And in scientology lingo,
783
784161
78500:08:23,090 --> 00:08:25,040
786I went exterior.
787
788162
78900:08:25,060 --> 00:08:27,540
790Exteriorizing
791is what they call it.
792
793163
79400:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,480
795You know,
796you leave your body.
797
798164
79900:08:30,510 --> 00:08:35,720
800So it was a... Transcendent
801experience for me.,
802
803165
80400:08:35,740 --> 00:08:38,240
805And that made me go,
806"holy fucking shit,
807
808166
80900:08:38,270 --> 00:08:40,360
810"this is-- wow."
811
812167
81300:08:40,390 --> 00:08:43,560
814I was reading books,
815going to lectures,
816and going to things--
817
818168
81900:08:43,580 --> 00:08:47,330
820Different events
821at the mission-- at the local
822santa clara mission.
823
824169
82500:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,060
826And then i knew
827i wanted to join the sea org
828
829170
83000:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,950
831<i>And get really involved</i>
832<i>as soon as i could,</i>
833
834171
83500:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,370
836<i>Which would</i>
837<i>be right out of high school.</i>
838
839172
84000:08:54,450 --> 00:08:57,920
841<i>Sea org</i>
842<i>is the most fraternal order</i>
843<i>of the organization.</i>
844
845173
84600:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,240
847<i>It's people who really,</i>
848<i>really believe in the cause</i>
849
850174
85100:09:01,260 --> 00:09:03,930
852<i>And sign</i>
853<i>a billion-year contract,</i>
854
855175
85600:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,600
857Which i did when i was--
858you know, as soon as i could.
859
860176
86100:09:07,630 --> 00:09:10,690
862I left skid marks getting
863to that billion-year contract.
864
865177
86600:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,420
867<i>You thought</i>
868<i>you were doing something good,</i>
869
870178
87100:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,480
872<i>To have a positive effect</i>
873<i>on all of mankind.</i>
874
875179
87600:09:17,530 --> 00:09:18,930
877That's what howard says.
878
879180
88000:09:18,980 --> 00:09:21,700
881Everything you do for endless
882trillions of years
883
884181
88500:09:21,730 --> 00:09:25,070
886Depends on what you do
887here and now within
888scientology.
889
890182
89100:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,280
892<i>I began to ask this question,</i>
893
894183
89500:09:35,300 --> 00:09:38,410
896<i>"what is man?"</i>
897<i>and i found, oddly enough,</i>
898
899184
90000:09:38,450 --> 00:09:40,670
901<i>That nobody could tell me</i>
902<i>what man was.</i>
903
904185
90500:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,790
906<i>What did he consist of?</i>
907<i>Where was he going?</i>
908
909186
91000:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,810
911<i>What was he doing?</i>
912
913187
91400:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,460
915To really know life,
916you've got to be part of life.
917
918188
91900:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,980
920You must get down and look.
921
922189
92300:09:51,010 --> 00:09:55,460
924You must get into
925the nooks and crannies
926of existence,
927
928190
92900:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,400
930The-- you have to rub elbows
931
932191
93300:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,520
934With all kinds
935and types of men
936
937192
93800:10:01,570 --> 00:10:04,070
939Before you can finally
940establish what he is.
941
942193
94300:10:04,110 --> 00:10:05,910
944And you in fact did this?
945
946194
94700:10:05,940 --> 00:10:08,940
948Yes, i've slept
949with bandits in mongolia,
950
951195
95200:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,860
953And i've hunted
954with, uh,
955
956196
95700:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,950
958Pygmies in the philippines.
959
960197
96100:10:14,980 --> 00:10:20,820
962Matter of fact,
963i've studied 21 different
964primitive races,
965
966198
96700:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,760
968Including the white race.
969
970199
97100:10:23,790 --> 00:10:28,000
972<i>And my conclusions were</i>
973
974200
97500:10:28,030 --> 00:10:31,500
976That man is
977a spiritual being
978
979201
98000:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,470
981That was pulled down
982to the material,
983
984202
98500:10:34,500 --> 00:10:37,170
986<i>The fleshly interests,</i>
987
988203
98900:10:37,190 --> 00:10:41,340
990<i>To an interplay in life</i>
991<i>that was, in fact,</i>
992
993204
99400:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,560
995<i>Too great for him</i>
996<i>to confront.</i>
997
998205
99900:10:43,610 --> 00:10:45,860
1000<i>And i concluded, finally,</i>
1001
1002206
100300:10:45,900 --> 00:10:47,900
1004<i>That he needed a hand.</i>
1005
1006207
100700:10:52,620 --> 00:10:54,690
1008<i>To understand scientology,</i>
1009
1010208
101100:10:54,710 --> 00:10:57,330
1012<i>You have to understand</i>
1013<i>the life and mind</i>
1014<i>of its inventor,</i>
1015
1016209
101700:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,880
1018<i>L. Ron hubbard.</i>
1019
1020210
102100:10:58,910 --> 00:11:01,410
1022<i>Hubbard was</i>
1023<i>a prolific writer.</i>
1024
1025211
102600:11:01,470 --> 00:11:03,830
1027<i>He actually holds</i>
1028<i>the "guinness book</i>
1029<i>of world records"</i>
1030
1031212
103200:11:03,870 --> 00:11:05,530
1033<i>For the number of books</i>
1034<i>published--</i>
1035
1036213
103700:11:05,550 --> 00:11:07,340
1038<i>More than 1,000.</i>
1039
1040214
104100:11:07,370 --> 00:11:10,890
1042<i>Hubbard got his start</i>
1043<i>in the depression writing</i>
1044<i>pulp fiction,</i>
1045
1046215
104700:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,760
1048<i>Named for</i>
1049<i>the cheap paper used.</i>
1050
1051216
105200:11:12,810 --> 00:11:14,890
1053<i>Writers were paid</i>
1054<i>a penny a word,</i>
1055
1056217
105700:11:14,930 --> 00:11:17,710
1058<i>So hey had to write a lot</i>
1059<i>to make money.</i>
1060
1061218
106200:11:17,730 --> 00:11:19,730
1063<i>Hubbard hammered away</i>
1064<i>so fast</i>
1065
1066219
106700:11:19,770 --> 00:11:21,570
1068<i>On long rolls</i>
1069<i>of butcher paper</i>
1070
1071220
107200:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,220
1073<i>That he used to drop sweat</i>
1074<i>on his typewriter.</i>
1075
1076221
107700:11:27,390 --> 00:11:30,330
1078<i>Hubbard's career took off</i>
1079<i>when he began to write</i>
1080<i>for a magazine</i>
1081
1082222
108300:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,110
1084<i>Called "astounding</i>
1085<i>science fiction."</i>
1086
1087223
108800:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,830
1089<i>Along with authors</i>
1090<i>like isaac asimov</i>
1091<i>and robert heinlein,</i>
1092
1093224
109400:11:36,870 --> 00:11:39,000
1095<i>Hubbard wrote stories</i>
1096<i>with a sense of mission--</i>
1097
1098225
109900:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,000
1100<i>To get man to the stars.</i>
1101
1102226
110300:11:45,630 --> 00:11:50,090
1104<i>He found his true métier</i>
1105<i>in science fiction.</i>
1106
1107227
110800:11:50,130 --> 00:11:53,550
1109And a lot of
1110what scientology is
1111
1112228
111300:11:53,580 --> 00:11:56,180
1114<i>He had previously written about</i>
1115<i>in the form</i>
1116
1117229
111800:11:56,220 --> 00:11:58,050
1119<i>Of his science fiction.</i>
1120
1121230
112200:11:58,090 --> 00:12:01,110
1123<i>He had the ability</i>
1124<i>to fabricate these</i>
1125<i>amazing tales,</i>
1126
1127231
112800:12:01,140 --> 00:12:05,780
1129<i>And he transported</i>
1130<i>those imaginary stories</i>
1131
1132232
113300:12:05,810 --> 00:12:08,450
1134<i>Into his theology.</i>
1135
1136233
113700:12:14,620 --> 00:12:18,410
1138<i> After pearl harbor,</i>
1139<i>hubbard took command</i>
1140<i>of a sub chaser,</i>
1141
1142234
114300:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,240
1144<i>But he was still a man</i>
1145<i>prone to invention.</i>
1146
1147235
114800:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,610
1149<i>He would write that he sunk</i>
1150<i>two japanese subs,</i>
1151
1152236
115300:12:24,630 --> 00:12:26,920
1154<i>But, in fact,</i>
1155<i>just off the coast of oregon,</i>
1156
1157237
115800:12:26,950 --> 00:12:29,620
1159<i>He opened fire on what</i>
1160<i>turned out to be a log</i>
1161
1162238
116300:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,640
1164<i>And dropped most of</i>
1165<i>his depth chargers</i>
1166
1167239
116800:12:31,670 --> 00:12:34,890
1169<i>On underwater</i>
1170<i>magnetic rocks.</i>
1171
1172240
117300:12:34,930 --> 00:12:37,460
1174<i>When he accidentally shelled</i>
1175<i>a mexican island,</i>
1176
1177241
117800:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,650
1179<i>He was relieved</i>
1180<i>of his command.</i>
1181
1182242
118300:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,630
1184<i>After the war,</i>
1185
1186243
118700:12:43,650 --> 00:12:45,180
1188<i>Hubbard ended up</i>
1189<i>in los angeles</i>
1190
1191244
119200:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,640
1193<i>Where he settled in</i>
1194<i>with a small group</i>
1195<i>of seekers and visionaries.</i>
1196
1197245
119800:12:49,660 --> 00:12:52,690
1199A guy named jack parsons,
1200a fascinating man,
1201
1202246
120300:12:52,740 --> 00:12:56,240
1204<i>Was one of the founders</i>
1205<i>of the jet-propulsion</i>
1206<i>laboratory.</i>
1207
1208247
120900:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,750
1210<i>And there's actually</i>
1211<i>a crater on the moon</i>
1212<i>named after jack.</i>
1213
1214248
121500:12:59,780 --> 00:13:02,620
1216<i>He was a significant</i>
1217<i>scientific figure,</i>
1218
1219249
122000:13:02,650 --> 00:13:04,920
1221But he was also
1222the head honcho
1223
1224250
122500:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,290
1226In this black magic cult.
1227
1228251
122900:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,820
1230<i>It was called the o.T.O.,</i>
1231
1232252
123300:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,330
1234<i>Or the ordo templi orientis.</i>
1235
1236253
123700:13:11,340 --> 00:13:15,050
1238<i>They followed the teachings</i>
1239<i>of aleister crowley,</i>
1240
1241254
124200:13:15,100 --> 00:13:19,300
1243<i>A famous sexual magic figure</i>
1244<i>in england.</i>
1245
1246255
124700:13:19,340 --> 00:13:22,640
1248<i>Parsons had a mansion</i>
1249<i>in pasadena.</i>
1250
1251256
125200:13:22,690 --> 00:13:24,520
1253<i>They would have ceremonies,</i>
1254
1255257
125600:13:24,560 --> 00:13:27,230
1257<i>And they were seeking</i>
1258<i>some sort of goddess figure</i>
1259
1260258
126100:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,010
1262<i>That he could impregnate</i>
1263
1264259
126500:13:29,030 --> 00:13:31,650
1266<i>In order to create</i>
1267<i>the antichrist.</i>
1268
1269260
127000:13:31,700 --> 00:13:36,400
1271<i>Hubbard moved in</i>
1272<i>and became parsons' assistant.</i>
1273
1274261
127500:13:37,490 --> 00:13:39,650
1276<i>One night,</i>
1277<i>this beautiful redhead</i>
1278
1279262
128000:13:39,690 --> 00:13:42,820
1281<i>Named marjorie cameron</i>
1282<i>showed up at the door.</i>
1283
1284263
128500:13:42,860 --> 00:13:46,240
1286<i>She was perfectly</i>
1287<i>willing to engage</i>
1288<i>in this sexual ritual</i>
1289
1290264
129100:13:46,300 --> 00:13:49,710
1292<i>In order, supposedly,</i>
1293<i>to produce the antichrist.</i>
1294
1295265
129600:13:49,750 --> 00:13:51,920
1297<i>She and jack</i>
1298<i>eventually got married.</i>
1299
1300266
130100:13:51,970 --> 00:13:55,300
1302<i>That happened after hubbard</i>
1303<i>ran off with jack's girlfriend,</i>
1304
1305267
130600:13:55,340 --> 00:13:57,170
1307<i>Sara northrup.</i>
1308
1309268
131000:13:58,310 --> 00:13:59,510
1311<i> Scientology</i>
1312<i>and hubbard</i>
1313
1314269
131500:13:59,540 --> 00:14:01,040
1316<i>Would later refuse</i>
1317<i>to acknowledge</i>
1318
1319270
132000:14:01,060 --> 00:14:03,060
1321<i>His relationship</i>
1322<i>with sara.</i>
1323
1324271
132500:14:03,100 --> 00:14:05,510
1326<i>But we uncovered</i>
1327<i>sara's own recollections</i>
1328
1329272
133000:14:05,550 --> 00:14:07,680
1331<i>Of her time with hubbard.</i>
1332
1333273
133400:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,290
1335<i>He was 13 years older</i>
1336<i>than i was.</i>
1337
1338274
133900:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,570
1340<i>I thought</i>
1341<i>he was a great war hero,</i>
1342
1343275
134400:14:14,660 --> 00:14:18,230
1345<i>A captain of a ship</i>
1346<i>that had been downed</i>
1347<i>in the pacific.</i>
1348
1349276
135000:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,500
1351<i>And he was weeks</i>
1352<i>on a raft,</i>
1353
1354277
135500:14:20,530 --> 00:14:22,400
1356<i>And he'd been blinded</i>
1357<i>by the sun,</i>
1358
1359278
136000:14:22,430 --> 00:14:24,580
1361<i>And his back</i>
1362<i>had been broken.</i>
1363
1364279
136500:14:24,620 --> 00:14:26,730
1366<i>All these things</i>
1367<i>were complete lies,</i>
1368
1369280
137000:14:26,750 --> 00:14:29,000
1371<i>But i didn't know it</i>
1372<i>at the time.</i>
1373
1374281
137500:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,310
1376<i>I believed</i>
1377<i>every word of it.</i>
1378
1379282
138000:14:31,340 --> 00:14:34,760
1381<i>If only sara had seen</i>
1382<i>hubbard's military records.</i>
1383
1384283
138500:14:34,790 --> 00:14:36,680
1386<i>In a 900-page file,</i>
1387
1388284
138900:14:36,710 --> 00:14:40,380
1390<i>Hubbard's activities are laid</i>
1391<i>out in extraordinary detail.</i>
1392
1393285
139400:14:40,420 --> 00:14:43,080
1395<i>Hubbard told people</i>
1396<i>that he had been blinded</i>
1397<i>and crippled</i>
1398
1399286
140000:14:43,100 --> 00:14:45,550
1401<i>During the war,</i>
1402<i>and the practices</i>
1403<i>that would form</i>
1404
1405287
140600:14:45,590 --> 00:14:48,760
1407<i>The basis of scientology</i>
1408<i>had cured him.</i>
1409
1410288
141100:14:48,780 --> 00:14:51,030
1412<i>But his records show</i>
1413<i>that his only wounds</i>
1414
1415289
141600:14:51,060 --> 00:14:54,200
1417<i>Were mild arthritis</i>
1418<i>and conjunctivitis.</i>
1419
1420290
142100:14:57,770 --> 00:15:00,200
1422<i>We had this terrible fight,</i>
1423
1424291
142500:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,940
1426<i>And he told me he was going</i>
1427<i>to commit suicide</i>
1428
1429292
143000:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,940
1431<i>If i didn't marry him.</i>
1432
1433293
143400:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,160
1435<i>I really believed him,</i>
1436
1437294
143800:15:07,210 --> 00:15:09,630
1439<i>So we got married.</i>
1440
1441295
144200:15:11,830 --> 00:15:15,800
1443<i>We spent the winter</i>
1444<i>in that lighthouse on the lake</i>
1445<i>in the poconos.</i>
1446
1447296
144800:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,750
1449<i>I remember one awful night,</i>
1450
1451297
145200:15:17,790 --> 00:15:20,250
1453<i>When i was asleep</i>
1454<i>and he was out typing...</i>
1455<i></i>
1456
1457298
145800:15:20,290 --> 00:15:22,960
1459<i></i>
1460<i>and he hit me</i>
1461<i>across the side of the head</i>
1462
1463299
146400:15:22,980 --> 00:15:24,590
1465<i>With a .45...</i>
1466<i></i>
1467
1468300
146900:15:24,630 --> 00:15:27,100
1470<i>Because i was smiling</i>
1471<i>in my sleep,</i>
1472
1473301
147400:15:27,130 --> 00:15:29,810
1475<i>And he said i was thinking</i>
1476<i>about somebody else.</i>
1477
1478302
147900:15:29,850 --> 00:15:32,270
1480<i>I got up,</i>
1481<i>left the house,</i>
1482
1483303
148400:15:32,300 --> 00:15:34,570
1485<i>And walked</i>
1486<i>on the ice of the lake.</i>
1487
1488304
148900:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,770
1490<i>I was terrified.</i>
1491
1492305
149300:15:36,810 --> 00:15:38,570
1494<i>He always said</i>
1495<i>that he would kill me</i>
1496
1497306
149800:15:38,610 --> 00:15:40,910
1499<i>Rather than</i>
1500<i>let me leave him.</i>
1501
1502307
150300:15:43,910 --> 00:15:46,750
1504<i>The only good thing</i>
1505<i>i got from ron</i>
1506
1507308
150800:15:46,780 --> 00:15:49,000
1509<i>Was my baby.</i>
1510
1511309
151200:15:54,620 --> 00:15:56,420
1513<i>We moved</i>
1514<i>to elizabeth, new jersey,</i>
1515
1516310
151700:15:56,460 --> 00:15:58,830
1518<i>And he started</i>
1519<i>writing "dianetics."</i>
1520
1521311
152200:15:58,850 --> 00:16:00,960
1523<i>The book was conceived</i>
1524
1525312
152600:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,330
1527<i>And he started</i>
1528<i>working on it in 1950.</i>
1529
1530313
153100:16:03,350 --> 00:16:07,690
1532<i>He said many times</i>
1533<i>that the only way to make</i>
1534<i>any real money</i>
1535
1536314
153700:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,300
1538<i>Was to have a religion.</i>
1539
1540315
154100:16:09,340 --> 00:16:12,860
1542<i>That's essentially</i>
1543<i>what he was trying to do</i>
1544<i>with "dianetics"--</i>
1545
1546316
154700:16:12,890 --> 00:16:16,060
1548<i>Get a religion where</i>
1549<i>he could have an income</i>
1550
1551317
155200:16:16,110 --> 00:16:18,480
1553<i>And the government wouldn't</i>
1554<i>take it away from him</i>
1555
1556318
155700:16:18,510 --> 00:16:20,650
1558<i>In the form of taxes.</i>
1559
1560319
156100:16:24,620 --> 00:16:26,850
1562<i>"dianetics" was</i>
1563<i>an immense success.</i>
1564
1565320
156600:16:26,870 --> 00:16:29,710
1567<i>From the moment</i>
1568<i>it was published in 1950,</i>
1569
1570321
157100:16:29,740 --> 00:16:33,960
1572<i>It swept through america</i>
1573<i>and other countries</i>
1574<i>around the world.</i>
1575
1576322
157700:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,080
1578This book--
1579that's the background
1580of all of this.
1581
1582323
158300:16:37,130 --> 00:16:38,380
1584That's what started
1585all the trouble.
1586
1587324
158800:16:38,420 --> 00:16:42,800
1589<i>We expected this to sell</i>
1590<i>about 6,000 copies,</i>
1591
1592325
159300:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,870
1594<i>And it hit the top</i>
1595<i>of the bestseller list</i>
1596<i>of "the new york times"</i>
1597
1598326
159900:16:45,890 --> 00:16:48,510
1600<i>And just stayed there,</i>
1601<i>month in, month out.</i>
1602
1603327
160400:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,710
1605It was like
1606i started an avalanche.
1607
1608328
160900:16:50,730 --> 00:16:53,710
1610The modern science</i>
1611<i>of mental health"</i>
1612
1613329
161400:16:53,730 --> 00:16:57,770
1615Is considered to be
1616the fundamental text,
1617
1618330
161900:16:57,820 --> 00:17:02,460
1620Which is the foundation
1621upon which all else is built.
1622
1623331
162400:17:04,260 --> 00:17:06,530
1625<i>One of the theories</i>
1626<i>of "dianetics"</i>
1627
1628332
162900:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,230
1630Is to discover these things
1631that are very traumatic
1632
1633333
163400:17:10,250 --> 00:17:12,030
1635Or have been very upsetting
1636to you,
1637
1638334
163900:17:12,070 --> 00:17:15,040
1640<i>And if you can observe</i>
1641
1642335
164300:17:15,070 --> 00:17:17,260
1644<i>Exactly what happened,</i>
1645
1646336
164700:17:17,290 --> 00:17:20,240
1648<i>The power of that incident</i>
1649
1650337
165100:17:20,260 --> 00:17:22,290
1652To influence you today
1653
1654338
165500:17:22,350 --> 00:17:24,600
1656Is removed.
1657
1658339
165900:17:25,750 --> 00:17:27,850
1660<i>The concept of "dianetics"</i>
1661
1662340
166300:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,850
1664<i>Is that you have</i>
1665<i>two sides of your mind.</i>
1666
1667341
166800:17:30,890 --> 00:17:33,350
1669<i>There is the analytical side,</i>
1670
1671342
167200:17:33,390 --> 00:17:35,690
1673<i>Which is a perfect computer.</i>
1674
1675343
167600:17:35,730 --> 00:17:38,260
1677It remembers everything.
1678It's flawless.
1679
1680344
168100:17:38,310 --> 00:17:40,280
1682<i>It never makes a mistake.</i>
1683
1684345
168500:17:40,310 --> 00:17:42,760
1686<i>And then there's</i>
1687<i>a reactive side.</i>
1688
1689346
169000:17:42,780 --> 00:17:46,120
1691<i>And this is where</i>
1692<i>all your neuroses, anxieties,</i>
1693
1694347
169500:17:46,150 --> 00:17:47,400
1696<i>And fears are stored.</i>
1697
1698348
169900:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,770
1700<i>And where do they come from?</i>
1701<i>They come from engrams.</i>
1702
1703349
170400:17:50,790 --> 00:17:53,990
1705<i>An engram</i>
1706<i>is like a memory.</i>
1707
1708350
170900:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,910
1710<i>A man has</i>
1711<i>an automobile accident.</i>
1712
1713351
171400:17:55,950 --> 00:17:57,660
1715<i>He has a picture</i>
1716<i>of an automobile accident.</i>
1717
1718352
171900:17:57,710 --> 00:17:59,610
1720<i>He has all the sensations</i>
1721<i>of having been hurt</i>
1722
1723353
172400:17:59,630 --> 00:18:02,280
1725In the automobile accident.
1726It takes him a long time
1727to recover,
1728
1729354
173000:18:02,300 --> 00:18:04,300
1731Because he's still wearing
1732the automobile accident.
1733
1734355
173500:18:04,340 --> 00:18:05,550
1736<i>If you said,</i>
1737<i>"hey, why don't you take</i>
1738
1739356
174000:18:05,590 --> 00:18:07,760
1741<i>"this automobile accident</i>
1742<i>and throw it away?"</i>
1743
1744357
174500:18:07,790 --> 00:18:09,310
1746<i>Well, all of a sudden,</i>
1747<i>he recovers</i>
1748
1749358
175000:18:09,340 --> 00:18:11,340
1751<i>From the automobile accident,</i>
1752<i>naturally,</i>
1753
1754359
175500:18:11,390 --> 00:18:13,640
1756<i>Because the thing that's</i>
1757<i>keeping it impressed upon him</i>
1758
1759360
176000:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,100
1761<i>And his body</i>
1762<i>is his mind.</i>
1763
1764361
176500:18:18,270 --> 00:18:21,100
1766<i>An auditor is a practitioner</i>
1767<i>in scientology.</i>
1768
1769362
177000:18:21,150 --> 00:18:23,800
1771He listens
1772and he computes.
1773
1774363
177500:18:23,820 --> 00:18:26,160
1776<i>We have a meter.</i>
1777
1778364
177900:18:26,190 --> 00:18:28,480
1780<i>A meter simply shows</i>
1781
1782365
178300:18:28,490 --> 00:18:30,950
1784<i>Where an individual</i>
1785<i>is aberrated.</i>
1786
1787366
178800:18:30,980 --> 00:18:34,200
1789<i>The e-meter is</i>
1790<i>a very powerful instrument.</i>
1791
1792367
179300:18:34,250 --> 00:18:36,620
1794<i>It's one-third</i>
1795<i>of a lie detector.</i>
1796
1797368
179800:18:36,650 --> 00:18:40,650
1799<i>A lie detector would also</i>
1800<i>measure your respiration</i>
1801<i>and pulse.</i>
1802
1803369
180400:18:40,670 --> 00:18:43,170
1805<i>There's two cans</i>
1806
1807370
180800:18:43,210 --> 00:18:44,760
1809<i>And there's electrical wires</i>
1810
1811371
181200:18:44,790 --> 00:18:46,960
1813<i>Carrying an undetectable</i>
1814<i>amount of current</i>
1815
1816372
181700:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,380
1818<i>Into a meter</i>
1819<i>with a needle on it.</i>
1820
1821373
182200:18:49,430 --> 00:18:51,970
1823<i>According to the church</i>
1824<i>of scientology,</i>
1825
1826374
182700:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,140
1828<i>It actually detects</i>
1829<i>the mass of your thoughts,</i>
1830
1831375
183200:18:55,170 --> 00:18:57,610
1833Although there's no evidence
1834that thoughts have mass.
1835
1836376
183700:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,010
1838The current
1839passes through your body,
1840
1841377
184200:19:00,030 --> 00:19:04,030
1843<i>And as your mental mass</i>
1844<i>increases,</i>
1845
1846378
184700:19:04,060 --> 00:19:07,280
1848<i>So does the resistance</i>
1849<i>to the circuit.</i>
1850
1851379
185200:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,070
1853<i>So the auditor will</i>
1854<i>ask you a question,</i>
1855
1856380
185700:19:11,120 --> 00:19:13,400
1858"tell me about
1859an upset with your mother."
1860
1861381
186200:19:13,460 --> 00:19:15,240
1863"what's truly bothering you
1864about being with, you know,
1865
1866382
186700:19:15,290 --> 00:19:17,380
1868"with your wife's behavior?
1869What is it?"
1870
1871383
187200:19:17,410 --> 00:19:19,030
1873"why are you upset today?"
1874
1875384
187600:19:19,050 --> 00:19:21,630
1877"well, i had a fight
1878with my wife."
1879
1880385
188100:19:21,660 --> 00:19:23,380
1882"well, i can see."
1883
1884386
188500:19:23,420 --> 00:19:25,300
1886"that there--
1887was that the same thought?"
1888
1889387
189000:19:25,340 --> 00:19:26,470
1891"say that again."
1892
1893388
189400:19:26,500 --> 00:19:30,300
1895<i>And gradually, the needle</i>
1896<i>will have less response.</i>
1897
1898389
189900:19:30,340 --> 00:19:33,420
1900<i>And in that manner,</i>
1901<i>you discharge the emotion.</i>
1902
1903390
190400:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,880
1905<i>Then you're asked to go back</i>
1906<i>to earlier incidents</i>
1907
1908391
190900:19:36,900 --> 00:19:38,900
1910<i>That were like that.</i>
1911
1912392
191300:19:38,930 --> 00:19:41,220
1914<i>And you might say,</i>
1915<i>"well, my mother spoke to me</i>
1916
1917393
191800:19:41,230 --> 00:19:43,400
1919<i>"in the same</i>
1920<i>scolding tone of voice."</i>
1921
1922394
192300:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,600
1924And you recount that story,
1925
1926395
192700:19:45,660 --> 00:19:48,890
1928<i>And eventually,</i>
1929<i>you discharge the emotion.</i>
1930
1931396
193200:19:48,910 --> 00:19:52,060
1933<i>And that's very much</i>
1934<i>like freudian therapy.</i>
1935
1936397
193700:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,700
1938<i>But with scientology,</i>
1939
1940398
194100:19:54,730 --> 00:19:57,030
1942<i>Then they'll ask further.</i>
1943
1944399
194500:19:57,070 --> 00:20:00,030
1946<i>"well, that's as far back</i>
1947<i>as i go."</i>
1948
1949400
195000:20:00,090 --> 00:20:01,590
1951Well, maybe not.
1952
1953401
195400:20:01,620 --> 00:20:05,840
1955<i>The auditor might say,</i>
1956<i>"something just registered</i>
1957<i>on the meter.</i>
1958
1959402
196000:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,380
1961<i>"what was that?"</i>
1962
1963403
196400:20:07,410 --> 00:20:09,740
1965<i>"i had an image</i>
1966<i>in my mind."</i>
1967
1968404
196900:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,460
1970<i>"well, what was the image?"</i>
1971
1972405
197300:20:11,510 --> 00:20:13,180
1974<i>"it was a barn."</i>
1975
1976406
197700:20:13,220 --> 00:20:15,720
1978<i>"are you inside the barn?</i>
1979<i>Go back to that image.</i>
1980
1981407
198200:20:15,750 --> 00:20:18,600
1983<i>"okay, open the door.</i>
1984<i>What do you see?"</i>
1985
1986408
198700:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,690
1988<i>"well, it looks like</i>
1989<i>19th century france."</i>
1990
1991409
199200:20:24,860 --> 00:20:27,230
1993<i>You walk outside</i>
1994<i>and you see</i>
1995
1996410
199700:20:27,260 --> 00:20:29,900
1998<i>The people dressed</i>
1999<i>in their costumes,</i>
2000
2001411
200200:20:29,980 --> 00:20:32,950
2003<i>And the e-meter is</i>
2004<i>saying this is real.</i>
2005
2006412
200700:20:32,990 --> 00:20:34,600
2008<i>This is a real memory.</i>
2009
2010413
201100:20:34,620 --> 00:20:38,240
2012<i>It's just as real</i>
2013<i>as those other memories</i>
2014<i>that you had.</i>
2015
2016414
201700:20:39,790 --> 00:20:42,490
2018<i>Beautiful little soft needle,</i>
2019<i>and everything's good.</i>
2020
2021415
202200:20:42,550 --> 00:20:46,630
2023Needle's rising, which means
2024he's getting, you know,
2025
2026416
202700:20:46,670 --> 00:20:49,500
2028Thinking a lot.
2029The needle just, like,
2030goes "pfft,"
2031
2032417
203300:20:49,550 --> 00:20:51,590
2034<i>Like a lot of shit</i>
2035<i>blows away.</i>
2036
2037418
203800:20:51,620 --> 00:20:55,510
2039The theta bop,
2040which is a very quick little
2041thing like, "doo doo doo,"
2042
2043419
204400:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,760
2045Which means
2046exteriorization.
2047
2048420
204900:20:59,310 --> 00:21:02,900
2050<i>When you come out</i>
2051<i>of an auditing session,</i>
2052
2053421
205400:21:02,930 --> 00:21:05,520
2055You feel euphoric.
2056
2057422
205800:21:05,570 --> 00:21:09,150
2059That confessional nature
2060makes you feel better.
2061
2062423
206300:21:09,190 --> 00:21:11,860
2064Somebody would say,
2065"oh, you're going
2066to have a session."
2067
2068424
206900:21:11,910 --> 00:21:13,860
2070I would feel better
2071just hearing that.
2072
2073425
207400:21:13,910 --> 00:21:16,980
2075<i>Man is asleep.</i>
2076
2077426
207800:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,150
2079<i>He is hypnotized.</i>
2080
2081427
208200:21:19,170 --> 00:21:22,420
2083<i>Now in scientology,</i>
2084<i>reverse the process,</i>
2085
2086428
208700:21:22,450 --> 00:21:24,920
2088<i>And you'll make him</i>
2089<i>wake up.</i>
2090
2091429
209200:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,670
2093<i>Such a man</i>
2094<i>becomes un-brainwashed,</i>
2095<i>you might say.</i>
2096
2097430
209800:21:27,710 --> 00:21:29,420
2099<i>He becomes unhypnotized.</i>
2100
2101431
210200:21:29,460 --> 00:21:31,490
2103<i>This sounds, mr. Hubbard,</i>
2104<i>in a sense,</i>
2105
2106432
210700:21:31,510 --> 00:21:35,050
2108<i>Like an extension</i>
2109<i>of psychology</i>
2110<i>or psychiatry.</i>
2111
2112433
211300:21:35,100 --> 00:21:38,680
2114Oh, no, psychiatry
2115has to do with the insane,
2116
2117434
211800:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,640
2119And we have nothing to do
2120with the insane whatsoever.
2121
2122435
212300:21:41,690 --> 00:21:43,940
2124Is this is a form
2125of psychoanalysis?
2126
2127436
212800:21:43,970 --> 00:21:46,020
2129No, psychoanalysis,
2130they lay back and--
2131
2132437
213300:21:46,060 --> 00:21:49,610
2134Don't associate scientology
2135with such people.
2136
2137438
213800:21:49,650 --> 00:21:53,030
2139That's terrible.
2140That's bad manners, you know?
2141
2142439
214300:21:53,070 --> 00:21:56,700
2144<i>When l. Ron hubbard</i>
2145<i>first wrote "dianetics,"</i>
2146
2147440
214800:21:56,740 --> 00:22:00,400
2149<i>He thought it was</i>
2150<i>a tremendous psychological</i>
2151<i>breakthrough,</i>
2152
2153441
215400:22:00,460 --> 00:22:02,820
2155<i>So much so</i>
2156<i>that he would be recognized.</i>
2157
2158442
215900:22:02,860 --> 00:22:07,880
2160<i>He wrote letters to</i>
2161<i>the american psychological</i>
2162<i>association.</i>
2163
2164443
216500:22:07,910 --> 00:22:11,700
2166<i>They couldn't make heads</i>
2167<i>or tail of his ideas.</i>
2168
2169444
217000:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,880
2171To them, it was like
2172psychological folk art.
2173
2174445
217500:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,420
2176<i>For instance,</i>
2177<i>he would talk about "clear."</i>
2178
2179446
218000:22:17,470 --> 00:22:20,090
2181<i>That means that</i>
2182<i>the individual</i>
2183
2184447
218500:22:20,140 --> 00:22:22,230
2186<i>Has erased</i>
2187<i>his reactive mind--</i>
2188
2189448
219000:22:22,260 --> 00:22:24,600
2191<i>His unconscious mind</i>
2192<i>is gone--</i>
2193
2194449
219500:22:24,650 --> 00:22:26,900
2196And he is totally alert
2197
2198450
219900:22:26,930 --> 00:22:28,900
2200And totally capable.
2201
2202451
220300:22:28,940 --> 00:22:32,220
2204Once you've taken away
2205all these traumatic memories,
2206
2207452
220800:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,860
2209From this life
2210and previous ones,
2211
2212453
221300:22:34,890 --> 00:22:36,360
2214Then you are clear.
2215
2216454
221700:22:36,390 --> 00:22:39,190
2218Someone who had
2219a perfect memory,
2220
2221455
222200:22:39,230 --> 00:22:42,080
2223Who was never ill.
2224
2225456
222600:22:42,110 --> 00:22:43,830
2227Your eyesight
2228would be better.
2229
2230457
223100:22:43,870 --> 00:22:46,030
2232We tested people
2233before scientology processing
2234
2235458
223600:22:46,070 --> 00:22:47,870
2237And after
2238scientology processing,
2239
2240459
224100:22:47,900 --> 00:22:50,590
2242And uniformly found
2243that their iq had raised.
2244
2245460
224600:22:50,620 --> 00:22:52,670
2247<i>We are making</i>
2248<i>such individuals,</i>
2249
2250461
225100:22:52,710 --> 00:22:56,380
2252<i>We're making them regularly,</i>
2253<i>and we're making</i>
2254<i>them routinely.</i>
2255
2256462
225700:22:58,380 --> 00:23:01,180
2258<i>An overt act</i>
2259<i>is an effort to individuate.</i>
2260
2261463
226200:23:01,220 --> 00:23:03,930
2263<i>It is a withhold</i>
2264<i>of oneself...</i>
2265
2266464
226700:23:03,970 --> 00:23:05,920
2268<i>Ron gave lectures</i>
2269<i>everywhere</i>
2270
2271465
227200:23:05,940 --> 00:23:09,940
2273<i>For large amounts of money,</i>
2274<i>and money just started</i>
2275<i>pouring in.</i>
2276
2277466
227800:23:09,980 --> 00:23:12,230
2279<i>I mean, these people</i>
2280<i>were paying</i>
2281
2282467
228300:23:12,260 --> 00:23:15,280
2284<i>$500 apiece</i>
2285<i>in the 1950s</i>
2286
2287468
228800:23:15,310 --> 00:23:17,280
2289<i>For training</i>
2290<i>in "dianetics."</i>
2291
2292469
229300:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,030
2294<i>I felt that he was stealing</i>
2295<i>from people</i>
2296
2297470
229800:23:20,070 --> 00:23:22,290
2299<i>And that he was</i>
2300<i>hoodwinking them.</i>
2301
2302471
230300:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,290
2304<i>All the business of sitting,</i>
2305<i>holding hands,</i>
2306
2307472
230800:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,610
2309<i>And putting</i>
2310<i>all these false memories</i>
2311<i>into people's minds...</i>
2312
2313473
231400:23:28,630 --> 00:23:31,000
2315<i>Then they would finally</i>
2316<i>come along and say,</i>
2317
2318474
231900:23:31,050 --> 00:23:33,960
2320<i>"oh, yes,</i>
2321<i>i can remember it all."</i>
2322
2323475
232400:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,500
2325<i></i>
2326
2327476
232800:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,790
2329<i>We were surrounded</i>
2330<i>by sycophants.</i>
2331
2332477
233300:23:40,810 --> 00:23:44,640
2334<i>He began to believe</i>
2335<i>that he was a savior and hero,</i>
2336
2337478
233800:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,150
2339<i>That he really was</i>
2340<i>this god figure.</i>
2341
2342479
234300:23:50,970 --> 00:23:52,730
2344<i>He was absolutely convinced</i>
2345
2346480
234700:23:52,770 --> 00:23:56,440
2348<i>That he had the cure</i>
2349<i>for the psychological ills</i>
2350<i>of mankind,</i>
2351
2352481
235300:23:56,470 --> 00:24:00,140
2354<i>And that the only reason</i>
2355<i>that it wasn't being propagated</i>
2356<i>far and wide</i>
2357
2358482
235900:24:00,180 --> 00:24:02,810
2360<i>Was that the medical profession</i>
2361<i>had a vested interest</i>
2362
2363483
236400:24:02,830 --> 00:24:05,280
2365<i>In keeping people sick.</i>
2366
2367484
236800:24:05,310 --> 00:24:07,280
2369<i>I think he was afraid</i>
2370<i>that some psychiatrists</i>
2371
2372485
237300:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,750
2374<i>Would pop him</i>
2375<i>into an institution.</i>
2376
2377486
237800:24:09,790 --> 00:24:14,040
2379<i>He degenerated into</i>
2380<i>a really paranoid,</i>
2381
2382487
238300:24:14,090 --> 00:24:16,820
2384<i>Terrifying person.</i>
2385
2386488
238700:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,880
2388<i>Sara threatened</i>
2389<i>to leave hubbard</i>
2390
2391489
239200:24:18,930 --> 00:24:20,510
2393<i>Unless he got</i>
2394<i>psychiatric help.</i>
2395
2396490
239700:24:20,550 --> 00:24:23,330
2398<i>He responded</i>
2399<i>by kidnapping their baby</i>
2400
2401491
240200:24:23,350 --> 00:24:25,350
2403<i>And taking her to cuba.</i>
2404
2405492
240600:24:25,380 --> 00:24:27,940
2407<i>He was incapable</i>
2408<i>of taking care of her,</i>
2409
2410493
241100:24:27,970 --> 00:24:31,110
2412So he put her in the charge
2413of a mother and daughter
2414
2415494
241600:24:31,140 --> 00:24:33,220
2417Who were both
2418mentally retarded.
2419
2420495
242100:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,610
2422And they apparently kept her
2423in some kind of cage.
2424
2425496
242600:24:35,650 --> 00:24:39,610
2427<i>He called me and told me</i>
2428<i>that he had killed her.</i>
2429
2430497
243100:24:39,650 --> 00:24:42,350
2432<i>He said he had cut her</i>
2433<i>into little pieces</i>
2434
2435498
243600:24:42,390 --> 00:24:44,120
2437<i>And dropped the pieces</i>
2438<i>in a river,</i>
2439
2440499
244100:24:44,150 --> 00:24:46,240
2442<i>And it was my fault.</i>
2443
2444500
244500:24:46,290 --> 00:24:49,240
2446<i>Then he'd call me back</i>
2447<i>and say that she</i>
2448<i>was still alive.</i>
2449
2450501
245100:24:49,290 --> 00:24:52,380
2452<i>And this went on</i>
2453<i>and on and on.</i>
2454
2455502
245600:24:52,410 --> 00:24:55,210
2457<i>When hubbard came back</i>
2458<i>to the u.S.,</i>
2459
2460503
246100:24:55,250 --> 00:24:57,550
2462<i>Sara persuaded him</i>
2463<i>to agree to a divorce</i>
2464
2465504
246600:24:57,580 --> 00:24:59,830
2467<i>And give her custody</i>
2468<i>of their daughter.</i>
2469
2470505
247100:24:59,870 --> 00:25:01,800
2472<i>When i left him,</i>
2473<i>he cleaned out</i>
2474
2475506
247600:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,250
2477<i>All the joint bank accounts</i>
2478
2479507
248000:25:03,310 --> 00:25:06,390
2481<i>So that i wouldn't</i>
2482<i>have any money.</i>
2483
2484508
248500:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,590
2486<i>Hubbard soon lost</i>
2487<i>all his money, too.</i>
2488
2489509
249000:25:09,650 --> 00:25:12,900
2491<i>"dianetics" proved</i>
2492<i>to be a passing fad,</i>
2493<i>like the hula hoop.</i>
2494
2495510
249600:25:12,930 --> 00:25:15,570
2497<i>But hubbard still had</i>
2498<i>his imagination.</i>
2499
2500511
250100:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,850
2502<i>So he repackaged the ideas</i>
2503<i>of "dianetics"</i>
2504
2505512
250600:25:17,890 --> 00:25:20,440
2507<i>Into a religion</i>
2508<i>called scientology.</i>
2509
2510513
251100:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,740
2512<i>Hubbard added more science</i>
2513<i>and more structure.</i>
2514
2515514
251600:25:24,780 --> 00:25:27,530
2517<i>Along with the e-meters</i>
2518<i>came a payment plan.</i>
2519
2520515
252100:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,370
2522<i>Every step to "clear"</i>
2523<i>had a price tag.</i>
2524
2525516
252600:25:31,420 --> 00:25:33,830
2527How would you describe
2528your business model?
2529
2530517
253100:25:33,870 --> 00:25:37,120
2532Rapacious.
2533
2534518
253500:25:37,170 --> 00:25:39,510
2536It's all about making money.
2537
2538519
253900:25:39,540 --> 00:25:42,510
2540<i>Hubbard, from the beginning,</i>
2541<i>knew that</i>
2542
2543520
254400:25:42,550 --> 00:25:45,950
2545<i>People would pay</i>
2546<i>for this counseling</i>
2547<i>at a pretty good clip,</i>
2548
2549521
255000:25:45,980 --> 00:25:49,770
2551And so he continued
2552to come out with more
2553and more levels.
2554
2555522
255600:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,690
2557<i>The real money</i>
2558<i>was in paying for these</i>
2559<i>higher and higher courses.</i>
2560
2561523
256200:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,720
2563<i>They were getting</i>
2564<i>into thousands of dollars.</i>
2565
2566524
256700:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,030
2568<i>Those prices</i>
2569<i>kept going up and up.</i>
2570
2571525
257200:25:58,060 --> 00:26:00,810
2573<i>That's really</i>
2574<i>where scientology begins</i>
2575
2576526
257700:26:00,860 --> 00:26:02,900
2578To create
2579this indoctrination,
2580
2581527
258200:26:02,930 --> 00:26:04,770
2583Is, "it's hubbard
2584that came up with that,
2585
2586528
258700:26:04,780 --> 00:26:07,280
2588"only hubbard,
2589and you have to
2590be a part of our group
2591
2592529
259300:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,740
2594"to get
2595that spiritual satisfaction
2596you were looking for."
2597
2598530
259900:26:10,790 --> 00:26:12,610
2600The hubbard college
2601of scientology,
2602
2603531
260400:26:12,630 --> 00:26:16,080
2605Qualifications division,
2606department of certifications
2607and awards
2608
2609532
261000:26:16,110 --> 00:26:18,950
2611Does hereby certify
2612that anthony a. Phillips
2613
2614533
261500:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,250
2616Has obtained
2617the state of clear.
2618
2619534
262000:26:23,170 --> 00:26:26,390
2621<i> As more members</i>
2622<i>paid for hubbard's bridge</i>
2623<i>to total freedom,</i>
2624
2625535
262600:26:26,420 --> 00:26:30,010
2627<i>The church's coffers</i>
2628<i>swelled with hundreds</i>
2629<i>of millions of dollars.</i>
2630
2631536
263200:26:30,090 --> 00:26:32,960
2633<i>From the beginning,</i>
2634<i>hubbard tried to shelter</i>
2635<i>that revenue</i>
2636
2637537
263800:26:32,980 --> 00:26:34,850
2639<i>From any government taxes.</i>
2640
2641538
264200:26:34,900 --> 00:26:36,930
2643<i>The founding church</i>
2644<i>of scientology</i>
2645
2646539
264700:26:36,970 --> 00:26:40,400
2648<i>Attempted in 1967 to get</i>
2649<i>a court determination</i>
2650
2651540
265200:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,770
2653<i>That it was exempt</i>
2654<i>from federal taxation</i>
2655
2656541
265700:26:42,810 --> 00:26:46,310
2658<i>On the basis</i>
2659<i>that it was a nonprofit</i>
2660<i>religious organization.</i>
2661
2662542
266300:26:46,330 --> 00:26:49,490
2664<i>A federal court denied</i>
2665<i>the founding church</i>
2666<i>tax exemption,</i>
2667
2668543
266900:26:49,530 --> 00:26:53,980
2670<i>Saying that some</i>
2671<i>of the church's earnings</i>
2672<i>from 1955 to 1959</i>
2673
2674544
267500:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,920
2676<i>Were used for</i>
2677<i>the personal benefit</i>
2678<i>of private individuals--</i>
2679
2680545
268100:26:57,950 --> 00:27:00,320
2682<i>L. Ron hubbard</i>
2683<i>and family.</i>
2684
2685546
268600:27:00,340 --> 00:27:04,460
2687<i>"abc news" has repeatedly</i>
2688<i>requested interviews</i>
2689<i>with mr. Hubbard.</i>
2690
2691547
269200:27:04,490 --> 00:27:06,960
2693<i>We have been told</i>
2694<i>that he is unavailable.</i>
2695
2696548
269700:27:23,580 --> 00:27:26,180
2698<i>It was very exciting.</i>
2699
2700549
270100:27:26,220 --> 00:27:30,570
2702It was that heady mix
2703of emotion and belief,
2704
2705550
270600:27:30,620 --> 00:27:33,790
2707And it's--
2708you get stuck to it.
2709
2710551
271100:27:33,820 --> 00:27:37,830
2712It's so strong
2713that it sticks you like glue,
2714
2715552
271600:27:37,860 --> 00:27:40,090
2717And there's no way
2718you can get away from it.
2719
2720553
272100:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,260
2722<i>I was deeply convinced</i>
2723
2724554
272500:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,700
2726<i>That we were going</i>
2727<i>to save the world.</i>
2728
2729555
273000:27:45,730 --> 00:27:50,250
2731I considered myself
2732tremendously fortunate
2733
2734556
273500:27:50,310 --> 00:27:52,340
2736To be in that position.
2737
2738557
273900:27:53,890 --> 00:27:56,380
2740<i>Out of the blue one day,</i>
2741
2742558
274300:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,260
2744<i>I received this envelope</i>
2745
2746559
274700:27:58,310 --> 00:28:01,720
2748<i>With an invitation</i>
2749<i>to join the sea project.</i>
2750
2751560
275200:28:01,730 --> 00:28:04,250
2753<i>It was completely</i>
2754<i>confidential.</i>
2755
2756561
275700:28:04,290 --> 00:28:07,020
2758<i>I wasn't to tell anyone</i>
2759<i>about it,</i>
2760
2761562
276200:28:07,060 --> 00:28:10,740
2763<i>And i was so ecstatic.</i>
2764
2765563
276600:28:10,780 --> 00:28:13,580
2767<i>Here was a chance</i>
2768<i>to work with hubbard.</i>
2769
2770564
277100:28:13,610 --> 00:28:16,110
2772<i>And i signed, "yes!"</i>
2773
2774565
277500:28:16,170 --> 00:28:20,230
2776I was on my way
2777to the greatest adventure
2778in my life.
2779
2780566
278100:28:20,250 --> 00:28:25,120
2782<i>We had an overnight flight</i>
2783<i>to las palmas in</i>
2784<i>the canary islands,</i>
2785
2786567
278700:28:25,170 --> 00:28:28,880
2788<i>Where we found,</i>
2789<i>at about 6:00 in the morning,</i>
2790
2791568
279200:28:28,910 --> 00:28:32,180
2793<i>We were taxied</i>
2794<i>down to a dock.</i>
2795
2796569
279700:28:32,210 --> 00:28:34,930
2798<i>We had to climb up</i>
2799<i>this rickety ladder,</i>
2800
2801570
280200:28:34,970 --> 00:28:37,220
2803<i>All the way up</i>
2804<i>to the ship,</i>
2805
2806571
280700:28:37,250 --> 00:28:39,720
2808<i>And we couldn't believe</i>
2809<i>this was where we were going.</i>
2810
2811572
281200:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,060
2813<i>This ship</i>
2814<i>was a rusty hulk.</i>
2815
2816573
281700:28:43,090 --> 00:28:46,560
2818<i>I was given a dirty</i>
2819<i>old jumpsuit to get into,</i>
2820
2821574
282200:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,360
2823<i>Missing one arm</i>
2824<i>and the other one was</i>
2825<i>almost half torn off,</i>
2826
2827575
282800:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,570
2829<i>And put to work.</i>
2830<i>We had to scrub the ship</i>
2831<i>and clean out the ship,</i>
2832
2833576
283400:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,210
2835<i>Which was arduous,</i>
2836<i>strenuous work,</i>
2837
2838577
283900:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,910
2840<i>In the heat.</i>
2841
2842578
284300:28:59,940 --> 00:29:02,130
2844<i>Hubbard came</i>
2845<i>to the ship every day,</i>
2846
2847579
284800:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,250
2849<i>Smoking cigarettes</i>
2850<i>and surveying his kingdom.</i>
2851
2852580
285300:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,950
2854<i>After dinner,</i>
2855<i>he'd come and join us</i>
2856
2857581
285800:29:08,970 --> 00:29:11,170
2859<i>On the well deck.</i>
2860
2861582
286200:29:11,220 --> 00:29:13,450
2863There he was, you know,
2864right amongst us,
2865
2866583
286700:29:13,470 --> 00:29:15,260
2868Talking to us.
2869
2870584
287100:29:15,290 --> 00:29:19,010
2872<i>He would be</i>
2873<i>his most magnificent self</i>
2874
2875585
287600:29:19,060 --> 00:29:21,400
2877<i>At those times.</i>
2878
2879586
288000:29:21,430 --> 00:29:24,970
2881<i>He'd lean back,</i>
2882<i>he'd look up at the cosmos,</i>
2883
2884587
288500:29:24,980 --> 00:29:28,350
2886<i>And he'd point out galaxies</i>
2887
2888588
288900:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,240
2890<i>And constellations,</i>
2891
2892589
289300:29:30,270 --> 00:29:33,160
2894<i>And he'd say,</i>
2895<i>"the fifth invaders</i>
2896<i>are up there,</i>
2897
2898590
289900:29:33,190 --> 00:29:36,080
2900<i>"and this is how they dressed</i>
2901<i>and this is how they talk.</i>
2902
2903591
290400:29:36,110 --> 00:29:38,700
2905<i>"and see that blip</i>
2906<i>across the sky over there?"</i>
2907
2908592
290900:29:38,750 --> 00:29:42,650
2910<i>He'd point it out,</i>
2911<i>and we were all,</i>
2912<i>"yes, we see it, we see it."</i>
2913
2914593
291500:29:42,670 --> 00:29:45,000
2916<i>He'd say, "and that's one</i>
2917<i>of their space vessels..."</i>
2918
2919594
292000:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,490
2921<i>And there was-- the fourth</i>
2922<i>invader force was here.</i>
2923
2924595
292500:29:48,510 --> 00:29:51,210
2926<i>The fifth invader force</i>
2927<i>came in.</i>
2928
2929596
293000:29:51,260 --> 00:29:55,210
2931<i>And the name</i>
2932<i>of this solar system</i>
2933<i>is space station 33.</i>
2934
2935597
293600:29:55,260 --> 00:29:57,930
2937<i>The fourth invader force</i>
2938<i>had been there</i>
2939
2940598
294100:29:57,970 --> 00:30:00,220
2942<i>For god knows how many</i>
2943<i>skillion years,</i>
2944
2945599
294600:30:00,270 --> 00:30:01,690
2947<i>Had been sitting down...</i>
2948
2949600
295000:30:01,770 --> 00:30:04,050
2951<i>...And we'd sit there,</i>
2952<i>spellbound.</i>
2953
2954601
295500:30:04,110 --> 00:30:07,390
2956<i>You could hear a pin drop</i>
2957<i>on that ship.</i>
2958
2959602
296000:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,110
2961<i>He had us emotionally</i>
2962<i>captured and held</i>
2963
2964603
296500:30:12,150 --> 00:30:15,700
2966Right there
2967in the palm of his hand
2968where he wanted us.
2969
2970604
297100:30:15,730 --> 00:30:17,990
2972He had us right there.
2973
2974605
297500:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,620
2976<i>In the early '60s,</i>
2977
2978606
297900:30:21,660 --> 00:30:24,320
2980<i>Hubbard was</i>
2981<i>under investigation</i>
2982<i>in various countries.</i>
2983
2984607
298500:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,290
2986<i>His solution was to take</i>
2987<i>to the high seas.</i>
2988
2989608
299000:30:27,330 --> 00:30:30,460
2991<i>He made himself commodore</i>
2992<i>of a fleet of three ships,</i>
2993
2994609
299500:30:30,500 --> 00:30:32,400
2996<i>A scientology navy.</i>
2997
2998610
299900:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,220
3000<i>To crew the vessels,</i>
3001
3002611
300300:30:35,250 --> 00:30:36,870
3004<i>He created</i>
3005<i>the sea organization.</i>
3006
3007612
300800:30:36,890 --> 00:30:39,170
3009<i>The members of</i>
3010<i>this so-called sea org</i>
3011
3012613
301300:30:39,210 --> 00:30:41,590
3014<i>Would become</i>
3015<i>the church's clergy.</i>
3016
3017614
301800:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,340
3019<i>They began going</i>
3020<i>from port to port</i>
3021
3022615
302300:30:44,380 --> 00:30:47,260
3024In the mediterranean,
3025show up for a few days,
3026
3027616
302800:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,730
3029And then go off-- sail off
3030in some other direction.
3031
3032617
303300:30:49,770 --> 00:30:52,220
3034And a very enterprising
3035reporter
3036
3037618
303800:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,390
3039For grenada television
3040in britain
3041
3042619
304300:30:54,410 --> 00:30:55,720
3044Tracked him down...
3045
3046620
304700:30:55,740 --> 00:30:57,490
3048Slate one,
3049take one.
3050
3051621
305200:30:57,530 --> 00:30:59,530
3053<i>That's one</i>
3054<i>of the very few instances</i>
3055
3056622
305700:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,530
3058<i>Where hubbard has actually</i>
3059<i>appeared on camera.</i>
3060
3061623
306200:31:03,700 --> 00:31:05,750
3063What are you actually doing
3064
3065624
306600:31:05,780 --> 00:31:07,620
3067On this ship now?
3068
3069625
307000:31:07,670 --> 00:31:10,740
3071I am studying
3072ancient civilizations,
3073
3074626
307500:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,170
3076Trying to find
3077what happened to them,
3078
3079627
308000:31:14,210 --> 00:31:16,710
3081Finding out
3082why they went...
3083
3084628
308500:31:16,750 --> 00:31:20,410
3086Into a decline,
3087why they died.
3088
3089629
309000:31:20,430 --> 00:31:24,430
3091<i>Hubbard believed that</i>
3092<i>he had lived various lives</i>
3093
3094630
309500:31:24,470 --> 00:31:28,440
3096<i>In the mediterranean area</i>
3097<i>as a venetian prince,</i>
3098
3099631
310000:31:28,470 --> 00:31:30,770
3101As an italian prince.
3102
3103632
310400:31:30,810 --> 00:31:32,640
3105As a matter of fact,
3106it's quite interesting
3107
3108633
310900:31:32,700 --> 00:31:35,430
3110That exercises
3111can be conducted,
3112
3113634
311400:31:35,450 --> 00:31:38,280
3115Which demonstrate conclusively
3116that there are memories
3117
3118635
311900:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,400
3120Which exist prior
3121to this life.
3122
3123636
312400:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,870
3125<i>He had buried treasure</i>
3126<i>all around the coastline,</i>
3127
3128637
312900:31:43,910 --> 00:31:48,460
3130<i>And he wanted to go find</i>
3131<i>all these caches of treasure.</i>
3132
3133638
313400:31:48,490 --> 00:31:51,750
3135<i>We were all very heated,</i>
3136<i>very excited about this.</i>
3137
3138639
313900:31:51,780 --> 00:31:55,120
3140<i>Whatever was</i>
3141<i>his whim, we did.</i>
3142
3143640
314400:31:55,150 --> 00:31:57,080
3145We would have died
3146for the old man.
3147
3148641
314900:31:58,390 --> 00:31:59,790
3150<i>Don't you wake up</i>
3151<i>sometimes</i>
3152
3153642
315400:31:59,810 --> 00:32:02,420
3155<i>In the middle of the night</i>
3156<i>and think to yourself,</i>
3157
3158643
315900:32:02,460 --> 00:32:04,760
3160<i>"well, i've been on this ship</i>
3161<i>with a whole lot</i>
3162
3163644
316400:32:04,790 --> 00:32:07,290
3165<i>"of scientologists</i>
3166<i>who believe i'm fantastic..."</i>
3167
3168645
316900:32:07,310 --> 00:32:09,230
3170They don't believe
3171i'm fantastic.
3172
3173646
317400:32:09,260 --> 00:32:13,980
3175If you saw the number of times
3176they don't follow my orders...
3177
3178647
317900:32:15,070 --> 00:32:17,800
3180<i>Lrh started to devise</i>
3181
3182648
318300:32:17,820 --> 00:32:20,740
3184<i>A system of penalties</i>
3185<i>or punishments</i>
3186
3187649
318800:32:20,780 --> 00:32:22,360
3189<i>Or what he called ethics.</i>
3190
3191650
319200:32:22,410 --> 00:32:25,280
3193<i>And one of the penalties</i>
3194<i>for the auditors</i>
3195
3196651
319700:32:25,310 --> 00:32:27,500
3198<i>Making mistakes</i>
3199<i>in their auditing sessions</i>
3200
3201652
320200:32:27,530 --> 00:32:29,700
3203<i>Was to be tossed</i>
3204<i>overboard.</i>
3205
3206653
320700:32:29,750 --> 00:32:32,370
3208"you have done such and such
3209and such and such,
3210
3211654
321200:32:32,420 --> 00:32:35,010
3213<i>"and we commit your errors</i>
3214<i>to the deep."</i>
3215
3216655
321700:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,290
3218<i>And then just pushed</i>
3219<i>overboard.</i>
3220<i></i>
3221
3222656
322300:32:38,340 --> 00:32:41,510
3224<i>30 feet, 35 feet,</i>
3225
3226657
322700:32:59,150 --> 00:33:02,520
3228Do you ever think that
3229you might be quite mad?
3230
3231658
323200:33:02,530 --> 00:33:04,850
3233Oh, yes!
3234
3235659
323600:33:04,870 --> 00:33:08,290
3237The one man in the world
3238who never believes he's mad
3239
3240660
324100:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,540
3242Is the madman.
3243
3244661
324500:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,640
3246<i></i>
3247<i></i>
3248
3249662
325000:33:29,580 --> 00:33:32,580
3251<i>So we got married a year</i>
3252<i>and a half after we joined</i>
3253
3254663
325500:33:32,610 --> 00:33:35,180
3256<i>And moved to california.</i>
3257<i>I wanted to be a writer,</i>
3258
3259664
326000:33:35,220 --> 00:33:37,580
3261<i>And my wife--</i>
3262<i>she was studying scientology.</i>
3263
3264665
326500:33:37,620 --> 00:33:40,120
3266<i>We had a baby right away,</i>
3267<i>and the only people</i>
3268
3269666
327000:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,220
3271<i>We knew there</i>
3272<i>were scientologists.</i>
3273
3274667
327500:33:42,260 --> 00:33:44,860
3276I was working
3277as a furniture mover
3278during the day
3279
3280668
328100:33:44,890 --> 00:33:47,560
3282And writing spec scripts
3283at night.
3284
3285669
328600:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,230
3287<i>Then on the weekends, i'd be,</i>
3288<i>you know, doing some auditing.</i>
3289
3290670
329100:33:50,250 --> 00:33:52,030
3292<i>Can you recall a time</i>
3293<i>when you were happy?</i>
3294
3295671
329600:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,400
3297<i> There was</i>
3298<i>a social aspect to it too.</i>
3299
3300672
330100:33:53,420 --> 00:33:54,870
3302<i>You got to hang out</i>
3303<i>with people.</i>
3304
3305673
330600:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,900
3307<i>And there were some</i>
3308<i>interesting people,</i>
3309<i>nice people.</i>
3310
3311674
331200:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,920
3313These are all people
3314who are looking to improve
3315their life.
3316
3317675
331800:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,870
3319<i>While hubbard was hiding</i>
3320<i>from public view,</i>
3321
3322676
332300:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,930
3324<i>He was very active</i>
3325<i>in directing the operations</i>
3326<i>of the church,</i>
3327
3328677
332900:34:27,950 --> 00:34:30,070
3330<i>Particularly</i>
3331<i>in hollywood.</i>
3332
3333678
333400:34:30,110 --> 00:34:32,570
3335This was just after
3336the haight-ashbury era.
3337
3338679
333900:34:32,610 --> 00:34:35,240
3340<i>And what scientology</i>
3341<i>was selling itself is,</i>
3342
3343680
334400:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,710
3345<i>"get high</i>
3346<i>without drugs."</i>
3347
3348681
334900:34:37,750 --> 00:34:40,960
3350<i>It was a place</i>
3351<i>where people went</i>
3352<i>and explored ideas,</i>
3353
3354682
335500:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,800
3356<i>And you would often see</i>
3357<i>famous people--</i>
3358
3359683
336000:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,090
3361<i>Leonard cohen,</i>
3362<i>members of the grateful dead,</i>
3363
3364684
336500:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,840
3366<i>Rock hudson.</i>
3367
3368685
336900:34:48,890 --> 00:34:51,510
3370<i>So they built</i>
3371<i>the celebrity centre.</i>
3372
3373686
337400:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,130
3375<i>The idea was to draw in</i>
3376<i>these famous entertainers</i>
3377
3378687
337900:34:55,150 --> 00:34:59,230
3380<i>And use them as pitchmen</i>
3381<i>for the religion.</i>
3382
3383688
338400:34:59,270 --> 00:35:01,070
3385In an industry
3386like hollywood,
3387
3388689
338900:35:01,100 --> 00:35:04,770
3390Where stardom is such--
3391such an illusive quality,
3392
3393690
339400:35:04,810 --> 00:35:08,840
3395<i>Scientology would offer</i>
3396<i>a route to maybe feel</i>
3397<i>a little bit more secure.</i>
3398
3399691
340000:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,950
3401<i>And when you're</i>
3402<i>trying to break in,</i>
3403<i>you're also dealing with</i>
3404
3405692
340600:35:11,980 --> 00:35:13,660
3407Relentless rejection.
3408
3409693
341000:35:13,700 --> 00:35:15,580
3411And something
3412that helps you stay focused
3413
3414694
341500:35:15,620 --> 00:35:18,170
3416And feel that
3417you're improving yourself
3418
3419695
342000:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,710
3421And becoming more clear,
3422you can see the appeal of that.
3423
3424696
342500:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,540
3426The beliefs and practices
3427that i have studied
3428in scientology
3429
3430697
343100:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,380
3432Have been invaluable to me.
3433
3434698
343500:35:29,430 --> 00:35:31,460
3436Have you ever met
3437ron hubbard?
3438
3439699
344000:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,300
3441I'd love to.
3442I'd be honored, because
3443i think he's so brilliant.
3444
3445700
344600:35:38,940 --> 00:35:41,310
3447<i> So when i worked</i>
3448<i>at the celebrity centre,</i>
3449
3450701
345100:35:41,340 --> 00:35:44,640
3452I would just, you know,
3453recruit various people.
3454
3455702
345600:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,780
3457<i>Like priscilla presley</i>
3458<i>and of course john travolta.</i>
3459
3460703
346100:35:48,820 --> 00:35:51,900
3462<i>Johnny-- he came,</i>
3463<i>he started on course,</i>
3464
3465704
346600:35:51,950 --> 00:35:54,490
3467And he was so fun
3468and outrageous.
3469
3470705
347100:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,760
3472<i>And he just made a party</i>
3473<i>wherever he was.</i>
3474
3475706
347600:35:57,790 --> 00:36:00,040
3477<i>John travolta</i>
3478<i>was a young actor</i>
3479
3480707
348100:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,360
3482<i>In his very first movie.</i>
3483
3484708
348500:36:03,380 --> 00:36:05,720
3486<i>He was a troubled young man,</i>
3487
3488709
348900:36:05,750 --> 00:36:07,220
3490<i>And he was looking</i>
3491<i>for help.</i>
3492
3493710
349400:36:07,250 --> 00:36:11,250
3495<i>A fellow actor gave him</i>
3496<i>a little bit of scientology</i>
3497<i>counseling.</i>
3498
3499711
350000:36:11,310 --> 00:36:13,060
3501<i>She gave him a copy</i>
3502<i>of "dianetics,"</i>
3503
3504712
350500:36:13,090 --> 00:36:15,340
3506And he was transported
3507by this.
3508
3509713
351000:36:15,380 --> 00:36:16,710
3511He would go out
3512on his auditions,
3513
3514714
351500:36:16,730 --> 00:36:18,210
3516And no matter
3517what he went out for,
3518
3519715
352000:36:18,230 --> 00:36:21,060
3521<i>He would get it.</i>
3522
3523716
352400:36:21,100 --> 00:36:23,400
3525<i>A band-aid commercial,</i>
3526<i>right away he booked that.</i>
3527
3528717
352900:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,900
3530<i>Now the army starts you...</i>
3531
3532718
353300:36:24,940 --> 00:36:26,440
3534<i>He was booking everything,</i>
3535
3536719
353700:36:26,490 --> 00:36:28,740
3538<i>And then he went up</i>
3539<i>for a series.</i>
3540
3541720
354200:36:28,770 --> 00:36:30,240
3543Of course, he books it.
3544
3545721
354600:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,780
3547And it's a big series--
3548"welcome back, kotter."
3549
3550722
355100:36:32,830 --> 00:36:34,580
3552Up your nose
3553with a rubber hose!
3554
3555723
355600:36:36,580 --> 00:36:38,580
3557<i>In the late '70s</i>
3558<i>and early '80s,</i>
3559
3560724
356100:36:38,620 --> 00:36:42,270
3562<i>John travolta</i>
3563<i>was scientology's</i>
3564<i>biggest star.</i>
3565
3566725
356700:36:42,300 --> 00:36:46,170
3568<i>Spanky was assigned to be</i>
3569<i>travolta's key contact</i>
3570<i>with the church,</i>
3571
3572726
357300:36:46,210 --> 00:36:49,810
3574<i>And she helped out</i>
3575<i>with producers, fans,</i>
3576<i>and the press.</i>
3577
3578727
357900:36:49,850 --> 00:36:52,950
3580<i>They became close,</i>
3581<i>and when spanky got married,</i>
3582
3583728
358400:36:52,980 --> 00:36:54,680
3585<i>Travolta was there.</i>
3586
3587729
358800:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,620
3589<i>When johnny first</i>
3590<i>got into scientology,</i>
3591
3592730
359300:36:57,650 --> 00:36:59,770
3594He didn't even believe in
3595himself that much.
3596
3597731
359800:36:59,810 --> 00:37:02,360
3599<i>But he got injected</i>
3600<i>with a lot of confidence,</i>
3601
3602732
360300:37:02,390 --> 00:37:04,770
3604<i>And then you get</i>
3605<i>this phobia inducement</i>
3606
3607733
360800:37:04,810 --> 00:37:07,890
3609<i>That "if i leave,</i>
3610<i>it's all going to go</i>
3611<i>down the tubes."</i>
3612
3613734
361400:37:07,930 --> 00:37:09,980
3615When you're in
3616the organization,
3617
3618735
361900:37:10,030 --> 00:37:12,200
3620All the good
3621that happens to you
3622
3623736
362400:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,930
3625Is because of scientology,
3626
3627737
362800:37:13,950 --> 00:37:16,990
3629And everything that doesn't,
3630that isn't good, is your fault.
3631
3632738
363300:37:18,540 --> 00:37:21,770
3634<i> They sell it all</i>
3635<i>in the beginning as something</i>
3636<i>quite logical.</i>
3637
3638739
363900:37:21,790 --> 00:37:24,410
3640<i>Everything makes sense.</i>
3641
3642740
364300:37:24,450 --> 00:37:26,880
3644And you're going up
3645what they call the bridge,
3646
3647741
364800:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,000
3649You're dong this auditing,
3650and this is good.
3651
3652742
365300:37:29,050 --> 00:37:31,220
3654And the next one,
3655well, it's not quite as good.
3656
3657743
365800:37:31,250 --> 00:37:34,090
3659It didn't quite make sense
3660to you, but...
3661
3662744
366300:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,920
3664You know, you've already
3665paid for the next one,
3666so you'll do that one.
3667
3668745
366900:37:38,980 --> 00:37:41,790
3670<i>The bridge--</i>
3671<i>it's a metaphor.</i>
3672
3673746
367400:37:41,810 --> 00:37:44,300
3675You start here
3676at the bottom of the bridge
3677
3678747
367900:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,150
3680And then you go to the top,
3681so where it is--
3682
3683748
368400:37:46,180 --> 00:37:48,320
3685It's an awareness scale.
3686
3687749
368800:37:48,350 --> 00:37:51,600
3689<i>You start down here</i>
3690<i>and you're not aware</i>
3691<i>of anything,</i>
3692
3693750
369400:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,160
3695<i>Then you go up here</i>
3696<i>and you're a lot more aware</i>
3697
3698751
369900:37:54,190 --> 00:37:56,830
3700<i>Of who you are,</i>
3701
3702752
370300:37:56,860 --> 00:38:01,280
3704Your spirituality,
3705your relationship to others.
3706
3707753
370800:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,450
3709<i>A person is supposed to</i>
3710<i>become more able</i>
3711
3712754
371300:38:04,490 --> 00:38:06,200
3714<i>As they go up the bridge.</i>
3715
3716755
371700:38:06,250 --> 00:38:10,320
3718<i>And then there are</i>
3719<i>the ot levels--</i>
3720
3721756
372200:38:10,340 --> 00:38:12,010
3723<i>Operating thetan.</i>
3724
3725757
372600:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,160
3727<i>And a thetan</i>
3728<i>is a spiritual being.</i>
3729
3730758
373100:38:14,180 --> 00:38:16,660
3732<i>That's the soul</i>
3733<i>of the person.</i>
3734
3735759
373600:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,300
3737<i>And what level, over time,</i>
3738<i>did you achieve?</i>
3739
3740760
374100:38:19,330 --> 00:38:22,000
3742Ot eight.
3743That's the highest there is.
3744
3745761
374600:38:22,020 --> 00:38:24,520
3747You can't get any higher
3748than ot eight.
3749
3750762
375100:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,360
3752From the beginning,
3753you hear these stories
3754
3755763
375600:38:26,390 --> 00:38:29,190
3757People tell of these abilities
3758they've been able to gain.
3759
3760764
376100:38:29,230 --> 00:38:32,850
3762It was always talked about,
3763the people who were ot
3764could read your mind,
3765
3766765
376700:38:32,860 --> 00:38:35,450
3768And they could
3769move objects at will,
3770
3771766
377200:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,490
3773And they could--
3774they were cause over matter,
3775energy, space, and time,
3776
3777767
377800:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,370
3779So it sounded
3780damn good to me.
3781
3782768
378300:38:42,410 --> 00:38:44,860
3784I mean, i thought,
3785"wow, this is great."
3786
3787769
378800:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,080
3789<i>I finally get to ot three,</i>
3790
3791770
379200:38:49,130 --> 00:38:51,050
3793<i>And they give me</i>
3794<i>the secret materials,</i>
3795
3796771
379700:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,750
3798<i>Which i've been hearing about</i>
3799<i>all this time.</i>
3800
3801772
380200:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,800
3803<i>They're handwritten</i>
3804<i>by hubbard.</i>
3805
3806773
380700:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,390
3808<i>You have to keep them</i>
3809<i>in a locked briefcase,</i>
3810
3811774
381200:38:57,420 --> 00:38:59,470
3813<i>Be very cautious,</i>
3814<i>because they always said,</i>
3815
3816775
381700:38:59,510 --> 00:39:01,510
3818<i>"if this gets out,</i>
3819<i>it's dangerous to people.</i>
3820
3821776
382200:39:01,540 --> 00:39:05,680
3823<i>"it could actually</i>
3824<i>do them harm if they</i>
3825<i>are not adequately prepared."</i>
3826
3827777
382800:39:06,980 --> 00:39:09,380
3829And i read it.
3830
3831778
383200:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,680
3833And...
3834
3835779
383600:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,900
3837It doesn't make any sense.
3838
3839780
384000:39:13,940 --> 00:39:16,860
3841This gobbled story
3842that didn't make sense.
3843
3844781
384500:39:16,910 --> 00:39:20,940
3846I remember for
3847one fleeting second thinking,
3848"maybe it's an insanity test.
3849
3850782
385100:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,750
3852"maybe if you believe this,
3853they kick you out.
3854
3855783
385600:39:22,780 --> 00:39:26,000
3857"you know, maybe that's it."
3858that, of course,
3859is not the case.
3860
3861784
386200:39:26,030 --> 00:39:29,340
3863They talk about, you know,
3864the fact that the earth
3865was created
3866
3867785
386800:39:29,370 --> 00:39:31,700
3869In such-and-such trillions
3870of years ago,
3871
3872786
387300:39:31,740 --> 00:39:34,960
3874And this guy--
3875space guy--
3876
3877787
387800:39:35,010 --> 00:39:37,760
3879Galactic overlord--
3880this was a prison planet,
3881
3882788
388300:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,510
3884And people being
3885caught, captured,
3886
3887789
388800:39:40,550 --> 00:39:42,220
3889And being brought
3890to planet earth...
3891
3892790
389300:39:42,250 --> 00:39:45,640
3894And put them in volcanoes
3895and blowing them up
3896with a-bombs.
3897
3898791
389900:39:45,690 --> 00:39:47,440
3900Whoa!
3901
3902792
390300:39:47,470 --> 00:39:49,920
3904I studied geography
3905in school.
3906
3907793
390800:39:49,940 --> 00:39:53,260
3909Those volcanoes didn't exist
391075 million years ago.
3911
3912794
391300:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,430
3914And we have these lost souls
3915all over us
3916
3917795
391800:39:56,450 --> 00:39:58,600
3919And we have
3920to get rid of them,
3921and i'm going,
3922
3923796
392400:39:58,620 --> 00:40:02,490
3925"what... The fuck
3926are you talking about?
3927
3928797
392900:40:02,540 --> 00:40:05,120
3930"i mean, i'm down
3931for the self-help stuff.
3932
3933798
393400:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,660
3935"i'm down for--
3936okay, i can be clear.
3937
3938799
393900:40:06,710 --> 00:40:09,210
3940"i can get rid of
3941the negative emotions.
3942
3943800
394400:40:09,240 --> 00:40:10,440
3945"but what the fuck is this?"
3946
3947801
394800:40:13,630 --> 00:40:16,550
3949<i> When you get</i>
3950<i>to the upper levels</i>
3951<i>of scientology,</i>
3952
3953802
395400:40:16,590 --> 00:40:18,640
3955The creation myth
3956is explained to you.
3957
3958803
395900:40:18,670 --> 00:40:23,170
3960<i>The story is that</i>
3961<i>75 million years ago,</i>
3962
3963804
396400:40:23,230 --> 00:40:25,790
3965<i>People lived in a world</i>
3966<i>very much like the world</i>
3967
3968805
396900:40:25,810 --> 00:40:28,430
3970<i>Of america</i>
3971<i>in the 1950s.</i>
3972
3973806
397400:40:28,460 --> 00:40:30,650
3975<i>People, at that particular</i>
3976<i>time and space,</i>
3977
3978807
397900:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,100
3980<i>Were walking around</i>
3981<i>in clothes which looked</i>
3982
3983808
398400:40:33,130 --> 00:40:36,850
3985<i>Very remarkably like</i>
3986<i>the clothes they wear</i>
3987<i>in this very minute.</i>
3988
3989809
399000:40:36,910 --> 00:40:40,470
3991<i>And the cars they drove</i>
3992<i>looked exactly the same,</i>
3993
3994810
399500:40:40,490 --> 00:40:44,030
3996<i>And they walked down streets</i>
3997<i>that looked like these streets.</i>
3998
3999811
400000:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,450
4001<i>It was a very similar world</i>
4002
4003812
400400:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,780
4005<i>And similar problems,</i>
4006
4007813
400800:40:47,820 --> 00:40:50,120
4009<i>One of which</i>
4010<i>was overpopulation.</i>
4011
4012814
401300:40:50,170 --> 00:40:51,870
4014<i>They had elected a fellow</i>
4015
4016815
401700:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,820
4018<i>By the name of xenu</i>
4019<i>to the supreme ruler.</i>
4020
4021816
402200:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,920
4023<i>There was a tyrannical overlord</i>
4024
4025817
402600:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,660
4027<i>Of the galactic confederacy</i>
4028<i>named xenu.</i>
4029
4030818
403100:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,380
4032<i>In order</i>
4033<i>to resolve this problem</i>
4034<i>of overpopulation,</i>
4035
4036819
403700:41:03,430 --> 00:41:04,850
4038<i>He called people in,</i>
4039
4040820
404100:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,350
4042<i>Ostensibly for tax audits,</i>
4043
4044821
404500:41:07,390 --> 00:41:10,640
4046<i>And had them frozen</i>
4047<i>with injections</i>
4048
4049822
405000:41:10,670 --> 00:41:12,670
4051<i>Of glycol to their heart.</i>
4052
4053823
405400:41:12,690 --> 00:41:15,310
4055<i>Boxed them up in boxes,</i>
4056<i>threw 'em into space planes--</i>
4057
4058824
405900:41:15,340 --> 00:41:18,230
4060<i>Dc-8 airplane</i>
4061<i>is the exact copy</i>
4062
4063825
406400:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,230
4065<i>Of the space plane</i>
4066<i>of that day.</i>
4067
4068826
406900:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,320
4070<i>They were flown to</i>
4071<i>the prison planet, teegeeack--</i>
4072
4073827
407400:41:25,350 --> 00:41:26,820
4075<i>It's actually</i>
4076<i>the planet earth--</i>
4077
4078828
407900:41:26,850 --> 00:41:31,740
4080<i>And these frozen bodies</i>
4081<i>were then dropped</i>
4082<i>into volcanoes.</i>
4083
4084829
408500:41:31,830 --> 00:41:33,960
4086<i>And then they set off</i>
4087<i>hydrogen bombs</i>
4088
4089830
409000:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,000
4091<i>On the top of each volcano.</i>
4092
4093831
409400:41:36,030 --> 00:41:38,300
4095<i> And their</i>
4096<i>disembodied spirits--</i>
4097
4098832
409900:41:38,330 --> 00:41:40,130
4100<i>These are called thetans--</i>
4101
4102833
410300:41:40,170 --> 00:41:43,090
4104<i>Floated out,</i>
4105<i>and they were captured</i>
4106
4107834
410800:41:43,140 --> 00:41:46,260
4109<i>And forced to sit</i>
4110<i>in front of movie screens.</i>
4111
4112835
411300:41:46,310 --> 00:41:49,840
4114<i>With a 3d, super colossal,</i>
4115<i>motion picture.</i>
4116
4117836
411800:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,890
4119They were shown images--
4120
4121837
412200:41:51,930 --> 00:41:54,180
4123<i>Implants,</i>
4124<i>as hubbard would have it.</i>
4125
4126838
412700:41:54,230 --> 00:41:55,900
4128<i>Every man is shown crucified,</i>
4129
4130839
413100:41:55,930 --> 00:41:58,570
4132<i>So is the psychiatrist</i>
4133<i>shown crucified.</i>
4134
4135840
413600:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,320
4137<i>And that's how he gets away</i>
4138<i>with what he gets away with.</i>
4139
4140841
414100:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,520
4142<i>He electric-shocks people.</i>
4143
4144842
414500:42:03,580 --> 00:42:06,390
4146<i>And when a child is born,</i>
4147
4148843
414900:42:06,410 --> 00:42:09,780
4150<i>A thetan will leap inside</i>
4151<i>the child's body</i>
4152
4153844
415400:42:09,830 --> 00:42:13,230
4155<i>At that very instant,</i>
4156<i>and it becomes like</i>
4157<i>the child's soul.</i>
4158
4159845
416000:42:13,250 --> 00:42:16,590
4161<i>More than one thetan</i>
4162<i>might crowd into the body--</i>
4163
4164846
416500:42:16,620 --> 00:42:19,410
4166<i>Hundreds,</i>
4167<i>or thousands, might.</i>
4168
4169847
417000:42:19,420 --> 00:42:21,460
4171They're the source
4172of all of our neurosis,
4173
4174848
417500:42:21,510 --> 00:42:23,010
4176Fears, and anxieties.
4177
4178849
417900:42:25,050 --> 00:42:27,080
4180<i>Then you are</i>
4181<i>on the e-meter,</i>
4182
4183850
418400:42:27,100 --> 00:42:28,460
4185<i>By yourself, now.</i>
4186
4187851
418800:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,930
4189<i>You're soloing.</i>
4190
4191852
419200:42:29,970 --> 00:42:33,350
4193<i>You're supposed</i>
4194<i>to scan, mentally,</i>
4195
4196853
419700:42:33,390 --> 00:42:35,770
4198<i>From your top of your head</i>
4199<i>to your toes,</i>
4200
4201854
420200:42:35,810 --> 00:42:39,860
4203To see if you can locate
4204any alien beings.
4205
4206855
420700:42:39,890 --> 00:42:43,260
4208And when you do,
4209you tell them to go away.
4210
4211856
421200:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,930
4213<i>I kept on trying to audit.</i>
4214
4215857
421600:42:46,950 --> 00:42:51,290
4217<i>I could not figure out</i>
4218<i>how i could have</i>
4219
4220858
422100:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,540
4222All these spirits
4223of dead people
4224attached to me,
4225
4226859
422700:42:54,580 --> 00:42:56,380
4228Inside me, on me.
4229
4230860
423100:42:56,410 --> 00:42:58,440
4232I was clear.
4233
4234861
423500:42:58,460 --> 00:43:01,000
4236For god's sake,
4237i was clear.
4238
4239862
424000:43:01,050 --> 00:43:03,170
4241People actually
4242have breakdowns,
4243
4244863
424500:43:03,220 --> 00:43:04,630
4246You know,
4247nervous breakdowns,
4248
4249864
425000:43:04,670 --> 00:43:07,170
4251Because they spend
4252so much time thinking
4253
4254865
425500:43:07,220 --> 00:43:10,220
4256<i>About being infested</i>
4257<i>by these creatures.</i>
4258
4259866
426000:43:10,260 --> 00:43:14,430
4261<i>If you're</i>
4262<i>really believing that,</i>
4263<i>it can drive you crazy.</i>
4264
4265867
426600:43:15,900 --> 00:43:18,770
4267<i></i>
4268
4269868
427000:43:25,740 --> 00:43:28,490
4271<i>Those years of introspection</i>
4272
4273869
427400:43:28,530 --> 00:43:32,280
4275Eventually led me
4276to sincerely considering
4277
4278870
427900:43:32,310 --> 00:43:36,080
4280That i was so bad,
4281
4282871
428300:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,620
4284That i couldn't confront
4285how bad i was.
4286
4287872
428800:43:40,660 --> 00:43:43,210
4289I didn't know it
4290at the time,
4291
4292873
429300:43:43,260 --> 00:43:46,460
4294But a depression set in
4295that was with me for years,
4296
4297874
429800:43:46,490 --> 00:43:49,510
4299<i>And the worst thing was</i>
4300
4301875
430200:43:49,550 --> 00:43:53,720
4303<i>That lrh kept ordering me</i>
4304<i>to more auditing.</i>
4305
4306876
430700:43:53,770 --> 00:43:57,300
4308<i>I had to find swords</i>
4309<i>that were stuck in me--</i>
4310
4311877
431200:43:57,340 --> 00:43:59,440
4313Hypothetical swords,
4314
4315878
431600:43:59,470 --> 00:44:02,680
4317Imaginary swords that
4318were causing all this pain.
4319
4320879
432100:44:02,690 --> 00:44:05,610
4322<i>This auditing</i>
4323<i>went on and on.</i>
4324
4325880
432600:44:05,650 --> 00:44:07,400
4327<i>It wasn't doing any good.</i>
4328
4329881
433000:44:07,450 --> 00:44:09,850
4331<i>I should have been</i>
4332<i>left alone.</i>
4333
4334882
433500:44:09,870 --> 00:44:13,200
4336<i>But everything</i>
4337<i>that i took offense with,</i>
4338
4339883
434000:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,960
4341<i>I rationalized</i>
4342<i>almost immediately.</i>
4343
4344884
434500:44:15,990 --> 00:44:17,760
4346<i>I had to.</i>
4347
4348885
434900:44:17,790 --> 00:44:21,660
4350I could not continue
4351in this game of scientology
4352
4353886
435400:44:21,700 --> 00:44:25,750
4355Without explaining away
4356what he was doing.
4357
4358887
435900:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,300
4360<i>It got to be</i>
4361<i>a way of believing,</i>
4362
4363888
436400:44:30,340 --> 00:44:34,560
4365<i>And every one of us</i>
4366<i>got into that.</i>
4367
4368889
436900:44:34,590 --> 00:44:38,560
4370<i>It was part</i>
4371<i>of the mind control.</i>
4372
4373890
437400:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,270
4375<i>It was part of</i>
4376<i>the cultic manipulation.</i>
4377
4378891
437900:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,600
4380<i>He was the master</i>
4381<i>who did it to us,</i>
4382
4383892
438400:44:45,650 --> 00:44:49,820
4385<i>And we took it on</i>
4386<i>and then we did it</i>
4387<i>to ourselves.</i>
4388
4389893
439000:44:49,860 --> 00:44:52,490
4391<i>And i learned from it,</i>
4392
4393894
439400:44:52,530 --> 00:44:55,700
4395That i would
4396never ever again,
4397
4398895
439900:44:55,750 --> 00:44:58,360
4400You know, go--
4401do the bidding of a tyrant.
4402
4403896
440400:45:05,270 --> 00:45:08,540
4405<i></i>
4406
4407897
440800:45:08,580 --> 00:45:11,940
4409<i>Hubbard questioned</i>
4410<i>his own sanity</i>
4411
4412898
441300:45:11,980 --> 00:45:15,050
4414<i>And actually wrote a letter</i>
4415<i>to the veteran's administration</i>
4416
4417899
441800:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,920
4419<i>Asking for psychiatric help</i>
4420
4421900
442200:45:16,940 --> 00:45:20,350
4423<i>That he seems</i>
4424<i>never to have been given.</i>
4425
4426901
442700:45:20,390 --> 00:45:24,440
4428I think
4429that his whole creation
4430of scientology
4431
4432902
443300:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,760
4434Really was a form
4435of self-therapy.
4436
4437903
443800:45:26,780 --> 00:45:29,950
4439<i>If he were just a fraud,</i>
4440<i>then at some point,</i>
4441
4442904
444300:45:29,980 --> 00:45:31,900
4444<i>He would have</i>
4445<i>taken the money and run,</i>
4446
4447905
444800:45:31,930 --> 00:45:33,320
4449<i>But he never did that.</i>
4450
4451906
445200:45:33,370 --> 00:45:36,120
4453<i>He spent much of his day</i>
4454<i>on the e-meter,</i>
4455
4456907
445700:45:36,150 --> 00:45:38,270
4458<i>Trying to understand</i>
4459<i>what was going on</i>
4460
4461908
446200:45:38,290 --> 00:45:40,110
4463<i>Inside his own mind.</i>
4464
4465909
446600:45:41,830 --> 00:45:43,740
4467<i>Hubbard became</i>
4468<i>increasingly paranoid</i>
4469
4470910
447100:45:43,780 --> 00:45:46,280
4472<i>That a powerful thetan</i>
4473<i>had infected his body</i>
4474
4475911
447600:45:46,300 --> 00:45:48,250
4477<i>And that regular auditing</i>
4478
4479912
448000:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,000
4481<i>Wasn't strong enough</i>
4482<i>to make it leave.</i>
4483
4484913
448500:45:51,050 --> 00:45:52,750
4486<i>When larry wright</i>
4487<i>was researching his book,</i>
4488
4489914
449000:45:52,790 --> 00:45:55,420
4491<i>He videotaped an interview</i>
4492<i>with a scientologist</i>
4493
4494915
449500:45:55,460 --> 00:45:58,810
4496<i>Who was asked</i>
4497<i>to help hubbard</i>
4498<i>expel the thetan.</i>
4499
4500916
450100:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,260
4502He was having,
4503uh, problems
4504
4505917
450600:46:01,300 --> 00:46:04,350
4507Getting rid of a bt--
4508body thetan--
4509
4510918
451100:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,070
4512<i>So he wanted me</i>
4513<i>to build a machine,</i>
4514
4515919
451600:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,600
4517<i>And basically</i>
4518<i>blow the thetan away,</i>
4519
4520920
452100:46:09,650 --> 00:46:11,020
4522<i>Just get him out of there.</i>
4523
4524921
452500:46:11,070 --> 00:46:13,660
4526Blow him out.
4527And also kill the body.
4528
4529922
453000:46:16,030 --> 00:46:17,980
4531Basically, yeah.
4532Yeah.
4533
4534923
453500:46:19,450 --> 00:46:21,150
4536<i>But i didn't</i>
4537<i>want to kill him.</i>
4538
4539924
454000:46:21,180 --> 00:46:23,050
4541<i>I just wanted</i>
4542<i>to scare him.</i>
4543
4544925
454500:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,170
4546So i had read some books
4547about nikola tesla and stuff,
4548
4549926
455000:46:27,210 --> 00:46:29,510
4551<i>And i figured maybe</i>
4552<i>buildin' a tesla coil</i>
4553
4554927
455500:46:29,540 --> 00:46:32,260
4556<i>Would probably be</i>
4557<i>the best route to go.</i>
4558
4559928
456000:46:33,930 --> 00:46:35,630
4561<i>I had little electrodes</i>
4562
4563929
456400:46:35,660 --> 00:46:37,550
4565<i>That you hook it up</i>
4566<i>to the e-meter,</i>
4567
4568930
456900:46:37,600 --> 00:46:38,660
4570<i>So when he's on the cans,</i>
4571
4572931
457300:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,800
4574<i>Then, uh, he would</i>
4575<i>just flip the button,</i>
4576
4577932
457800:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,000
4579<i>And it would do its thing.</i>
4580
4581933
458200:46:47,190 --> 00:46:49,680
4583As far as i know.
4584He blew up my e-meter.
4585
4586934
458700:46:49,690 --> 00:46:51,360
4588Burned it up.
4589
4590935
459100:46:54,030 --> 00:46:56,700
4592Scientology
4593really is a journey
4594
4595936
459600:46:56,730 --> 00:46:59,150
4597Into the mind
4598of l. Ron hubbard.
4599
4600937
460100:46:59,190 --> 00:47:02,370
4602<i>And the further</i>
4603<i>you get into it,</i>
4604
4605938
460600:47:02,410 --> 00:47:05,710
4607<i>The more like</i>
4608<i>l. Ron hubbard</i>
4609<i>you become.</i>
4610
4611939
461200:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,340
4613Thank you.
4614
4615940
461600:47:16,390 --> 00:47:21,140
4617In 1980,
4618lrh moved off the lines
4619
4620941
462100:47:21,180 --> 00:47:24,310
4622So that he could
4623continue his writings
4624
4625942
462600:47:24,350 --> 00:47:27,510
4627And researches
4628without any distractions.
4629
4630943
463100:47:30,100 --> 00:47:35,100
4632He has now moved on
4633to his next ot--
4634
4635944
463600:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,660
4637Level of ot research.
4638
4639945
464000:47:37,690 --> 00:47:41,060
4641This level is beyond anything
4642any one of us ever imagined.
4643
4644946
464500:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,860
4646This level is in fact done
4647
4648947
464900:47:43,900 --> 00:47:46,730
4650In an exterior state,
4651
4652948
465300:47:46,750 --> 00:47:49,170
4654Meaning that it is done
4655completely exterior
4656
4657949
465800:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,170
4659From the body.
4660
4661950
466200:47:51,210 --> 00:47:54,070
4663At this level of ot,
4664
4665951
466600:47:54,090 --> 00:47:55,540
4667The body is nothing more
4668
4669952
467000:47:55,580 --> 00:47:58,240
4671Than an impediment
4672and encumbrance
4673
4674953
467500:47:58,260 --> 00:48:01,130
4676To any further gain
4677as an ot.
4678
4679954
468000:48:03,300 --> 00:48:05,050
4681Thus...
4682
4683955
468400:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,420
4685Thus, at 2000 hours,
4686
4687956
468800:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,690
4689Friday,
4690the 24th of january,
4691
4692957
469300:48:12,730 --> 00:48:14,440
4694A.D. 36,
4695
4696958
469700:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,480
4698L. Ron hubbard
4699discarded the body
4700
4701959
470200:48:16,530 --> 00:48:18,650
4703He had used
4704in this lifetime
4705
4706960
470700:48:18,700 --> 00:48:22,790
4708For 74 years,
470910 months, and 11 days.
4710
4711961
471200:48:22,820 --> 00:48:25,070
4713Although you may feel grief,
4714
4715962
471600:48:25,110 --> 00:48:28,910
4717Understand that he did not,
4718and does not now.
4719
4720963
472100:48:31,750 --> 00:48:35,450
4722<i>Hubbard died</i>
4723<i>of a stroke in 1986,</i>
4724
4725964
472600:48:35,470 --> 00:48:38,380
4727<i>But he left no plan</i>
4728<i>for succession.</i>
4729
4730965
473100:48:38,420 --> 00:48:41,140
4732<i>The ambitious david miscavige</i>
4733<i>stepped forward,</i>
4734
4735966
473600:48:41,170 --> 00:48:43,960
4737<i>And by bending arms</i>
4738<i>and making deals,</i>
4739
4740967
474100:48:43,980 --> 00:48:45,620
4742<i>Took control of the church</i>
4743
4744968
474500:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,560
4746<i>And installed</i>
4747<i>a new generation</i>
4748<i>of lieutenants.</i>
4749
4750969
475100:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,260
4752We want to make sure
4753
4754970
475500:48:50,300 --> 00:48:53,770
4756That all of us end cycle
4757on this completely,
4758
4759971
476000:48:53,820 --> 00:48:56,940
4761So we can get on
4762with the job
4763
4764972
476500:48:56,970 --> 00:48:58,800
4766That is ahead of us.
4767
4768973
476900:48:58,820 --> 00:49:02,530
4770<i>The first time i met</i>
4771<i>miscavige was in '83.</i>
4772
4773974
477400:49:02,580 --> 00:49:04,360
4775He was a guy
4776running back and forth
4777
4778975
477900:49:04,410 --> 00:49:07,830
4780Between hubbard
4781and the property
4782in hemet in a van--
4783
4784976
478500:49:07,870 --> 00:49:11,200
4786Back and forth,
4787delivering messages.
4788
4789977
479000:49:11,250 --> 00:49:13,840
4791<i>Worked my way</i>
4792<i>through the organization.</i>
4793
4794978
479500:49:13,870 --> 00:49:16,370
4796<i>Miscavige would</i>
4797<i>come down to florida,</i>
4798
4799979
480000:49:16,420 --> 00:49:18,170
4801<i>Where i was</i>
4802<i>running the place,</i>
4803
4804980
480500:49:18,210 --> 00:49:21,290
4806<i>And we slowly</i>
4807<i>but surely became friends.</i>
4808
4809981
481000:49:21,330 --> 00:49:24,530
4811By 2001,
4812i was working directly
4813for miscavige.
4814
4815982
481600:49:25,470 --> 00:49:27,600
4817<i>We'd sit and drink</i>
4818<i>a bottle of scotch,</i>
4819
4820983
482100:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,870
4822<i>And i'd hear</i>
4823<i>everything he had to say</i>
4824<i>about the church,</i>
4825
4826984
482700:49:29,900 --> 00:49:32,570
4828<i>And about the people involved,</i>
4829<i>from his perspective.</i>
4830
4831985
483200:49:32,610 --> 00:49:35,860
4833And honestly, it was--
4834it was, uh, horrifying.
4835It was scary.
4836
4837986
483800:49:35,890 --> 00:49:38,510
4839<i>In scientology,</i>
4840<i>there was a concept</i>
4841
4842987
484300:49:38,530 --> 00:49:41,680
4844<i>That 98% of the people</i>
4845<i>are good and 2% are evil.</i>
4846
4847988
484800:49:41,700 --> 00:49:44,320
4849<i>Well, he worked very hard</i>
4850<i>to convince me</i>
4851
4852989
485300:49:44,350 --> 00:49:45,950
4854That it was
4855the other way around.
4856
4857990
485800:49:45,990 --> 00:49:49,240
48592.5% were okay
4860and the rest were
4861very evil and bad.
4862
4863991
486400:49:49,290 --> 00:49:52,540
4865And somehow,
4866they'd all been dumped
4867on that base
4868
4869992
487000:49:52,580 --> 00:49:54,210
4871So they could be around him.
4872
4873993
487400:49:54,250 --> 00:49:56,410
4875He was--
4876he was extremely paranoid.
4877
4878994
487900:49:56,460 --> 00:50:00,220
4880So, marty, is miscavige
4881a true believer?
4882
4883995
488400:50:00,250 --> 00:50:05,000
4885Uh, yes.
4886
4887996
488800:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,310
4889<i>He has to</i>
4890<i>continue to believe,</i>
4891
4892997
489300:50:07,340 --> 00:50:09,110
4894<i>Because if he looks</i>
4895<i>at it rationally</i>
4896
4897998
489800:50:09,140 --> 00:50:11,580
4899<i>And he sees that it</i>
4900<i>is as i say,</i>
4901
4902999
490300:50:11,610 --> 00:50:13,350
4904<i>It will destroy him.</i>
4905
49061000
490700:50:13,380 --> 00:50:15,560
4908You know,
4909he'll just realize that--
4910
49111001
491200:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,100
4913Because he's done
4914a lot worse than i've done.
4915
49161002
491700:50:19,150 --> 00:50:21,990
4918He's abused people
4919on a personal level,
4920
49211003
492200:50:22,020 --> 00:50:25,910
4923Um, as a-- as a--
4924that's how he got to the top,
4925
49261004
492700:50:25,940 --> 00:50:28,940
4928And that's how
4929he stayed at the top.
4930
49311005
493200:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,360
4933<i>At the age of 11,</i>
4934
49351006
493600:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,620
4937<i>David miscavige</i>
4938<i>joined the church</i>
4939<i>with his parents.</i>
4940
49411007
494200:50:34,670 --> 00:50:37,620
4943<i>As a child, his ambition</i>
4944<i>caught hubbard's eye.</i>
4945
49461008
494700:50:37,670 --> 00:50:39,870
4948<i>So when hubbard wanted</i>
4949<i>to become a filmmaker,</i>
4950
49511009
495200:50:39,910 --> 00:50:42,710
4953<i>Miscavige was</i>
4954<i>his assistant cameraman.</i>
4955
49561010
495700:50:42,740 --> 00:50:44,340
4958<i>An auditing prodigy,</i>
4959
49601011
496100:50:44,380 --> 00:50:46,810
4962<i>He claimed scientology</i>
4963<i>cured his asthma.</i>
4964
49651012
496600:50:46,850 --> 00:50:50,600
4967<i>He became a sort of</i>
4968<i>general contractor</i>
4969<i>for the church,</i>
4970
49711013
497200:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,770
4973<i>And was soon named</i>
4974<i>action chief--</i>
4975
49761014
497700:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,470
4978<i>The man who did</i>
4979<i>whatever needed doing</i>
4980<i>for a church</i>
4981
49821015
498300:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,920
4984<i>That developed</i>
4985<i>a scary reputation</i>
4986
49871016
498800:50:57,940 --> 00:50:59,730
4989<i>For attacking its critics.</i>
4990
49911017
499200:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,440
4993<i>Scientology has been</i>
4994<i>in the headlines</i>
4995
49961018
499700:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,950
4998<i>Off and on</i>
4999<i>for 25 years now,</i>
5000
50011019
500200:51:02,980 --> 00:51:05,760
5003<i>Almost since the time</i>
5004<i>it was founded as a religion.</i>
5005
50061020
500700:51:05,780 --> 00:51:07,980
5008<i>Scientology's story</i>
5009<i>is one of a church</i>
5010
50111021
501200:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,870
5013<i>Embittered by what</i>
5014<i>it perceives as harassment.</i>
5015
50161022
501700:51:10,910 --> 00:51:12,200
5018<i>We're talking about attacks</i>
5019
50201023
502100:51:12,240 --> 00:51:14,110
5022From multi-billion dollar
5023media conglomerates,
5024
50251024
502600:51:14,130 --> 00:51:17,630
5027<i>World governments--</i>
5028<i>real powers of the world.</i>
5029
50301025
503100:51:17,660 --> 00:51:20,330
5032They take enemies
5033very seriously.
5034
50351026
503600:51:20,380 --> 00:51:22,050
5037This comes right out
5038of hubbard's own policies
5039
50401027
504100:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,120
5042From the '60s,
5043saying, "we never defend,
5044we always attack."
5045
50461028
504700:51:25,140 --> 00:51:27,140
5048<i>And they have followed it</i>
5049<i>ever since.</i>
5050
50511029
505200:51:27,170 --> 00:51:28,450
5053<i>They call it "fair game,"</i>
5054
50551030
505600:51:28,470 --> 00:51:31,590
5057<i>And anybody who criticizes</i>
5058<i>scientology is fair game.</i>
5059
50601031
506100:51:31,630 --> 00:51:33,140
5062Whatever you're told,
5063
50641032
506500:51:33,180 --> 00:51:35,060
5066Whatever needs to be done,
5067
50681033
506900:51:35,100 --> 00:51:37,600
5070If it's against the law,
5071it doesn't matter.
5072
50731034
507400:51:37,650 --> 00:51:39,980
5075<i>The best example is,</i>
5076<i>in the mid '70s,</i>
5077
50781035
507900:51:40,020 --> 00:51:43,770
5080<i>Scientologists were</i>
5081<i>walking in to these</i>
5082<i>department of justice offices</i>
5083
50841036
508500:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,610
5086And irs offices
5087and taking documents
5088out by the yard.
5089
50901037
509100:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,860
5092<i>The fbi raided</i>
5093<i>the church of scientology--</i>
5094
50951038
509600:51:49,910 --> 00:51:52,080
5097<i>The largest raid</i>
5098<i>in fbi history</i>
5099<i>at that time.</i>
5100
51011039
510200:51:52,110 --> 00:51:54,580
5103Oh my god.
5104The building
5105is filled with fbi,
5106
51071040
510800:51:54,620 --> 00:51:56,370
5109And they're--
5110they're taking things.
5111
51121041
511300:51:56,420 --> 00:51:58,150
5114<i>It was craziness.</i>
5115
51161042
511700:51:58,170 --> 00:52:01,590
5118<i>Clearly, l. Ron hubbard</i>
5119<i>was in charge of all of that,</i>
5120
51211043
512200:52:01,620 --> 00:52:03,690
5123But he was only named
5124an unindicted co-conspirator.
5125
51261044
512700:52:03,720 --> 00:52:05,620
5128<i>And mary sue hubbard,</i>
5129<i>hubbard's wife,</i>
5130
51311045
513200:52:05,660 --> 00:52:08,880
5133<i>She went to prison,</i>
5134<i>10 others went to prison.</i>
5135
51361046
513700:52:08,930 --> 00:52:11,430
5138This was where
5139i cut my teeth.
5140I was in my early 20s,
5141
51421047
514300:52:11,470 --> 00:52:13,130
5144<i>Miscavige</i>
5145<i>was in his early 20s.</i>
5146
51471048
514800:52:13,170 --> 00:52:14,880
5149<i>We were taking over</i>
5150<i>for this group</i>
5151
51521049
515300:52:14,940 --> 00:52:17,720
5154That had created
5155the largest domestic
5156espionage operation
5157
51581050
515900:52:17,770 --> 00:52:19,360
5160In the history
5161of the united states.
5162
51631051
516400:52:19,390 --> 00:52:20,860
5165They were
5166breaking into offices,
5167
51681052
516900:52:20,890 --> 00:52:23,640
5170Framing people.
5171This is the activities
5172of a church?
5173
51741053
517500:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,140
5176There was a guy who,
5177uh, you know,
5178
51791054
518000:52:25,180 --> 00:52:27,200
5181Was a reporter
5182for "the la times,"
5183
51841055
518500:52:27,230 --> 00:52:28,530
5186Whose dog was poisoned
5187
51881056
518900:52:28,570 --> 00:52:30,780
5190While he was working
5191on a scientology story.
5192
51931057
519400:52:30,820 --> 00:52:33,040
5195<i>Again and again</i>
5196<i>while reporting the story,</i>
5197
51981058
519900:52:33,070 --> 00:52:35,960
5200<i>We met many former members</i>
5201<i>who describe scientology</i>
5202
52031059
520400:52:35,990 --> 00:52:39,360
5205<i>As a dangerous and deeply</i>
5206<i>paranoid organization.</i>
5207
52081060
520900:52:39,380 --> 00:52:42,130
5210They hired private detectives
5211to harass people.
5212
52131061
521400:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,550
5215I have been sued twice.
5216
52171062
521800:52:43,580 --> 00:52:44,800
5219Financial ruin.
5220
52211063
522200:52:44,830 --> 00:52:46,000
5223Years of harassment.
5224
52251064
522600:52:46,050 --> 00:52:47,870
5227Their homes broken into,
5228have them beaten.
5229
52301065
523100:52:47,890 --> 00:52:51,000
5232We chased her around.
5233We followed her
5234to the airport.
5235
52361066
523700:52:51,060 --> 00:52:53,390
5238Gotten ahold of
5239personal phone records.
5240
52411067
524200:52:53,420 --> 00:52:55,810
5243Slashed their tires,
5244break their car windows.
5245
52461068
524700:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,180
5248I was locked
5249in a chicken wire cage.
5250
52511069
525200:52:58,210 --> 00:53:01,680
5253Dangerous, horrifying,
5254terrifying fraud.
5255
52561070
525700:53:01,730 --> 00:53:03,520
5258A nightmare.
5259
52601071
526100:53:03,550 --> 00:53:05,480
5262Many of their stories
5263are corroborated
5264
52651072
526600:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,850
5267In sworn court testimony
5268by up to a dozen other people.
5269
52701073
527100:53:08,890 --> 00:53:10,570
5272Are they all lying?
5273
52741074
527500:53:10,610 --> 00:53:11,770
5276They sat in a room,
5277
52781075
527900:53:11,830 --> 00:53:13,230
5280They figured out
5281what they were going to say...
5282
52831076
528400:53:13,240 --> 00:53:16,080
5285<i>My position,</i>
5286<i>as the spokesperson,</i>
5287
52881077
528900:53:16,110 --> 00:53:19,530
5290Was to evade
5291the question,
5292
52931078
529400:53:19,570 --> 00:53:21,620
5295Or sleaze around some way,
5296
52971079
529800:53:21,670 --> 00:53:23,620
5299Or give what
5300was an acceptable answer,
5301
53021080
530300:53:23,670 --> 00:53:25,750
5304Or something
5305that i believed at the time.
5306
53071081
530800:53:25,790 --> 00:53:27,710
5309Please welcome
5310mr. Mike rinder.
5311
53121082
531300:53:34,750 --> 00:53:37,100
5314<i>Because scientology</i>
5315<i>is perceived</i>
5316
53171083
531800:53:37,130 --> 00:53:39,850
5319And conceived
5320by scientologists
5321
53221084
532300:53:39,890 --> 00:53:43,220
5324As being the salvation
5325for mankind,
5326
53271085
532800:53:43,260 --> 00:53:46,060
5329You can have people
5330that lie
5331
53321086
533300:53:46,090 --> 00:53:48,930
5334With a very straight face
5335
53361087
533700:53:48,950 --> 00:53:51,480
5338If they believe
5339that what they are doing
5340
53411088
534200:53:51,530 --> 00:53:54,270
5343Is protecting
5344the church of scientology.
5345
53461089
534700:53:54,290 --> 00:53:55,530
5348L. Ron hubbard says,
5349
53501090
535100:53:55,570 --> 00:53:57,770
5352"we do not find critics
5353of scientology
5354
53551091
535600:53:57,790 --> 00:53:59,200
5357"who do not
5358have criminal pasts."
5359
53601092
536100:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,460
5362Do you believe that?
5363Sure.
5364
53651093
536600:54:01,490 --> 00:54:04,040
5367People who oppose you
5368are undoubtedly criminals?
5369
53701094
537100:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,490
5372I believe that, yeah.
5373
53741095
537500:54:05,550 --> 00:54:08,050
5376You know, there isn't
5377and hasn't been
5378
53791096
538000:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,750
5381Any effort
5382which has been taken to,
5383
53841097
538500:54:10,780 --> 00:54:12,630
5386Quote,
5387"silence critics."
5388
53891098
539000:54:12,670 --> 00:54:14,640
5391"no, that doesn't happen.
5392
53931099
539400:54:14,670 --> 00:54:17,170
5395"oh, we would never do that."
5396
53971100
539800:54:17,260 --> 00:54:19,170
5399But according
5400to many insiders,
5401
54021101
540300:54:19,230 --> 00:54:21,090
5404Hubbard was growing
5405more and more vindictive
5406
54071102
540800:54:21,130 --> 00:54:22,590
5409Toward those
5410who stood in his way.
5411
54121103
541300:54:22,630 --> 00:54:27,520
5414<i>He created what he called</i>
5415<i>the rehabilitation</i>
5416<i>project force.</i>
5417
54181104
541900:54:27,570 --> 00:54:30,270
5420<i>The rpf was</i>
5421<i>what we called it.</i>
5422
54231105
542400:54:30,300 --> 00:54:31,600
5425It was the prison camp,
5426
54271106
542800:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,190
5429Where you'd go
5430for re-indoctrination.
5431
54321107
543300:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,110
5434<i>It was on the 7th floor</i>
5435
54361108
543700:54:36,140 --> 00:54:38,160
5438<i>Of the hollywood</i>
5439<i>headquarters,</i>
5440
54411109
544200:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,330
5443<i>A confined space</i>
5444<i>to rehabilitate members</i>
5445
54461110
544700:54:41,370 --> 00:54:43,820
5448<i>Who might be harboring</i>
5449<i>subversive thoughts.</i>
5450
54511111
545200:54:43,830 --> 00:54:46,000
5453<i>Spanky was sent to the rpf</i>
5454
54551112
545600:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,870
5457<i>When she objected</i>
5458<i>to the way the church</i>
5459
54601113
546100:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,290
5462<i>Had denied medical treatment</i>
5463<i>to her boss.</i>
5464
54651114
546600:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,710
5467<i>I went thinking, of course,</i>
5468
54691115
547000:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,340
5471<i>This is a big mistake.</i>
5472
54731116
547400:54:54,380 --> 00:54:56,930
5475And then i got there,
5476and there were like
5477200 of us.
5478
54791117
548000:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,880
5481<i>So much of the exec strata</i>
5482<i>of the organization there</i>
5483
54841118
548500:54:59,930 --> 00:55:01,880
5486<i>Hit the skids</i>
5487<i>simultaneously.</i>
5488
54891119
549000:55:01,940 --> 00:55:05,640
5491<i>Rpf stands for</i>
5492<i>rehabilitation project force.</i>
5493
54941120
549500:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,970
5496It is a program
5497that is exclusively
5498
54991121
550000:55:09,010 --> 00:55:11,690
5501For the benefit
5502of sea organization members.
5503
55041122
550500:55:11,730 --> 00:55:14,200
5506If they are stressed out,
5507
55081123
550900:55:14,230 --> 00:55:16,010
5510If they're not doing well
5511on their job,
5512
55131124
551400:55:16,030 --> 00:55:19,280
5515<i>Have them do</i>
5516<i>menial-type work,</i>
5517
55181125
551900:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,070
5520<i>And five hours a day</i>
5521<i>of auditing</i>
5522
55231126
552400:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,460
5525<i>And scientology training.</i>
5526
55271127
552800:55:25,490 --> 00:55:27,080
5529It's a fabulous program.
5530
55311128
553200:55:27,130 --> 00:55:29,550
5533We were working--
5534cross my heart--
5535
55361129
553700:55:29,580 --> 00:55:31,830
553830 hours on,
5539three hours off.
5540
55411130
554200:55:31,870 --> 00:55:33,200
5543Doing, like, hard labor,
5544
55451131
554600:55:33,220 --> 00:55:35,370
5547Like having wire brushes
5548on windowsills,
5549
55501132
555100:55:35,390 --> 00:55:37,140
5552And sanding
5553and sanding and sanding.
5554
55551133
555600:55:37,170 --> 00:55:38,500
5557Breathing paint fumes.
5558
55591134
556000:55:38,540 --> 00:55:40,710
5561<i>The regular crew</i>
5562<i>would eat first,</i>
5563
55641135
556500:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,510
5566<i>And then we'd get</i>
5567<i>what was left.</i>
5568
55691136
557000:55:42,540 --> 00:55:44,390
5571<i>It was kinda</i>
5572<i>like table scraps.</i>
5573
55741137
557500:55:44,430 --> 00:55:47,210
5576<i>There was mattresses</i>
5577<i>out there on the roof,</i>
5578
55791138
558000:55:47,230 --> 00:55:49,710
5581<i>And they were wet</i>
5582<i>and soggy and gross.</i>
5583
55841139
558500:55:49,730 --> 00:55:51,650
5586<i>And if you got to sleep</i>
5587<i>for three hours,</i>
5588
55891140
559000:55:51,690 --> 00:55:55,150
5591<i>Sometimes you'd just have to</i>
5592<i>up there and crash out.</i>
5593
55941141
559500:55:56,660 --> 00:55:59,090
5596<i>And i had a young child</i>
5597<i>at that time,</i>
5598
55991142
560000:55:59,130 --> 00:56:01,460
5601<i>Who was 10 months old</i>
5602<i>when i went to the rpf.</i>
5603
56041143
560500:56:01,500 --> 00:56:03,360
5606<i>She got taken</i>
5607<i>and put in the cadet org,</i>
5608
56091144
561000:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,170
5611<i>The organization</i>
5612<i>for the children.</i>
5613
56141145
561500:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,950
5616And then i--
5617i got pregnant
5618
56191146
562000:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,920
5621<i>When i was in the rpf.</i>
5622
56231147
562400:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,240
5625<i>So now i'm sanding walls,</i>
5626<i>eating table scraps,</i>
5627
56281148
562900:56:15,260 --> 00:56:19,680
5630<i>Pregnant,</i>
5631<i>and worrying myself sick</i>
5632<i>about my child.</i>
5633
56341149
563500:56:19,710 --> 00:56:22,010
5636<i>In spanky's time,</i>
5637<i>the children</i>
5638
56391150
564000:56:22,050 --> 00:56:24,020
5641<i>Of sea org members</i>
5642<i>were separated</i>
5643
56441151
564500:56:24,050 --> 00:56:26,100
5646<i>From their parents</i>
5647<i>and raised in the cadet org</i>
5648
56491152
565000:56:26,140 --> 00:56:27,970
5651<i>To remove all distractions</i>
5652
56531153
565400:56:28,020 --> 00:56:30,520
5655<i>From their parent's</i>
5656<i>ultimate responsibility,</i>
5657
56581154
565900:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,520
5660<i>To clear the planet.</i>
5661
56621155
566300:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,140
5664<i>Sea org members</i>
5665<i>were often pressured</i>
5666<i>to have abortions,</i>
5667
56681156
566900:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,430
5670<i>Because the church</i>
5671<i>viewed "getting children"</i>
5672
56731157
567400:56:38,450 --> 00:56:40,930
5675<i>As an unpractical burden.</i>
5676
56771158
567800:56:40,950 --> 00:56:43,120
5679<i>Initially, you're like,</i>
5680<i>"this is absurd.</i>
5681
56821159
568300:56:43,150 --> 00:56:44,290
5684<i>"this is nuts."</i>
5685
56861160
568700:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,070
5688And then you kinda
5689settle in and go, "well...
5690
56911161
569200:56:48,110 --> 00:56:52,610
5693"obviously, i need
5694to deal with something
5695
56961162
569700:56:52,630 --> 00:56:54,280
5698"that i'm not facing.
5699
57001163
570100:56:54,300 --> 00:56:56,000
5702"so perhaps this is--
5703
57041164
570500:56:56,050 --> 00:56:58,080
5706"they're doing this
5707to make me better."
5708
57091165
571000:57:02,010 --> 00:57:04,670
5711<i>There are so many</i>
5712<i>bizarre stories that you--</i>
5713
57141166
571500:57:04,730 --> 00:57:06,930
5716<i>Just hard</i>
5717<i>to believe stuff.</i>
5718
57191167
572000:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,960
5721They asked
5722if i could arrange
5723a private screening
5724
57251168
572600:57:08,980 --> 00:57:10,350
5727Of "saturday night fever."
5728
57291169
573000:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,070
5731<i>And i was like, "what?"</i>
5732
57331170
573400:57:14,100 --> 00:57:15,800
5735<i>"i had disappeared</i>
5736<i>from this man's life.</i>
5737
57381171
573900:57:15,820 --> 00:57:17,520
5740<i>"i abandoned him,</i>
5741
57421172
574300:57:17,570 --> 00:57:19,970
5744"and now you
5745want me to arrange
5746a private screening?
5747
57481173
574900:57:19,990 --> 00:57:21,360
5750"what are you--"
5751
57521174
575300:57:21,410 --> 00:57:24,140
5754I said,
5755"is there anything else?
5756Maybe a beatles reunion?"
5757
57581175
575900:57:26,530 --> 00:57:29,110
5760<i>Travolta had been wondering</i>
5761<i>where spanky was.</i>
5762
57631176
576400:57:29,150 --> 00:57:30,500
5765<i>When she was sent</i>
5766<i>to the rpf,</i>
5767
57681177
576900:57:30,530 --> 00:57:33,700
5770<i>She was not allowed</i>
5771<i>to contact him</i>
5772<i>or anyone else.</i>
5773
57741178
577500:57:33,750 --> 00:57:35,820
5776<i>But now,</i>
5777<i>under the watch of a guard,</i>
5778
57791179
578000:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,820
5781<i>She was permitted</i>
5782<i>to call travolta's assistant.</i>
5783
57841180
578500:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,160
5786She said we could
5787use john's personal print
5788of the film,
5789
57901181
579100:57:42,180 --> 00:57:44,930
5792<i>Under one condition--</i>
5793<i>that you will see john.</i>
5794
57951182
579600:57:44,970 --> 00:57:46,880
5797<i>I was so excited.</i>
5798
57991183
580000:57:46,930 --> 00:57:50,670
5801<i>I hadn't had dialogue</i>
5802<i>with him for many months.</i>
5803
58041184
580500:57:50,690 --> 00:57:53,060
5806<i>We had the screening</i>
5807<i>of the film,</i>
5808
58091185
581000:57:53,110 --> 00:57:54,520
5811<i>And on the next night,</i>
5812
58131186
581400:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,310
5815<i>I was supposed</i>
5816<i>to have dinner with johnny.</i>
5817
58181187
581900:57:57,340 --> 00:57:59,010
5820And after
5821the screening,
5822
58231188
582400:57:59,030 --> 00:58:01,900
5825I was abruptly told
5826i wasn't going to see him,
5827
58281189
582900:58:01,950 --> 00:58:03,820
5830And i needed
5831to call and cancel.
5832
58331190
583400:58:03,870 --> 00:58:08,690
5835He was truly angry
5836at me for-- for--
5837
58381191
583900:58:08,710 --> 00:58:11,790
5840For having allowed this abuse
5841of myself, you know,
5842
58431192
584400:58:11,830 --> 00:58:15,460
5845And for having that--
5846so little of myself...
5847
58481193
584900:58:17,250 --> 00:58:20,220
5850That i would allow
5851this degree of degradation,
5852
58531194
585400:58:20,250 --> 00:58:23,370
5855And, and um--
5856and--
5857
58581195
585900:58:23,390 --> 00:58:25,170
5860And he was my good friend,
5861
58621196
586300:58:25,210 --> 00:58:28,590
5864And i knew that he was
5865telling me the truth.
5866
58671197
586800:58:28,640 --> 00:58:33,010
5869<i>Those words were</i>
5870<i>such a wakeup call for me.</i>
5871
58721198
587300:58:33,050 --> 00:58:36,210
5874<i>And i went over there,</i>
5875<i>to the cadet org.</i>
5876
58771199
587800:58:36,230 --> 00:58:37,930
5879There were so many
5880sick children in there,
5881
58821200
588300:58:38,020 --> 00:58:40,150
5884And my daughter
5885was very, very ill--
5886
58871201
588800:58:40,190 --> 00:58:44,190
5889Burning up with fever,
5890completely neglected,
5891
58921202
589300:58:44,220 --> 00:58:46,740
5894In a urine-soaked crib.
5895
58961203
589700:58:46,780 --> 00:58:49,560
5898Her eyes were
5899so filled with mucus,
5900
59011204
590200:58:49,580 --> 00:58:51,910
5903They were welded shut.
5904
59051205
590600:58:51,950 --> 00:58:54,450
5907She had fruit flies
5908on her body.
5909
59101206
591100:58:54,500 --> 00:58:57,900
5912And i just--
5913i couldn't bear it.
5914
59151207
591600:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,510
5917I just went,
5918"no, mmm-mmm, i'm done."
5919
59201208
592100:59:00,540 --> 00:59:04,240
5922I mean, i just knew
5923i could make these choices
5924for me.
5925
59261209
592700:59:04,260 --> 00:59:06,210
5928I could decide
5929to give up my life
5930
59311210
593200:59:06,250 --> 00:59:08,180
5933And do this
5934to help the world,
5935
59361211
593700:59:08,220 --> 00:59:10,470
5938But i couldn't
5939make these choices
5940for my children.
5941
59421212
594300:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,630
5944I just had to get her out.
5945
59461213
594700:59:14,590 --> 00:59:17,690
5948<i>I told them</i>
5949<i>that i was having problems</i>
5950<i>with my pregnancy,</i>
5951
59521214
595300:59:17,730 --> 00:59:19,730
5954<i>And i needed</i>
5955<i>to use the phone,</i>
5956
59571215
595800:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,560
5959<i>So they sent</i>
5960<i>a bodyguard with me.</i>
5961
59621216
596300:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,480
5964<i>I called one of the few</i>
5965<i>non-scientologists i knew,</i>
5966
59671217
596800:59:25,530 --> 00:59:28,280
5969A wonderful woman who happened
5970to work for john travolta.
5971
59721218
597300:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,870
5974<i>I said,</i>
5975<i>"meet me at this address."</i>
5976
59771219
597800:59:30,900 --> 00:59:32,700
5979<i>I gave her a time</i>
5980<i>and i hung up.</i>
5981
59821220
598300:59:32,740 --> 00:59:35,710
5984<i>I go up to my daughter's room,</i>
5985<i>and i wrapped her up.</i>
5986
59871221
598800:59:37,660 --> 00:59:40,750
5989And there's
5990that bodyguard with me.
5991
59921222
599300:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,880
5994<i>I said,</i>
5995<i>"oh, my sister-in-law</i>
5996<i>is in that car</i>
5997
59981223
599900:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,280
6000<i>"and she's gonna</i>
6001<i>take the baby to the doctor."</i>
6002
60031224
600400:59:45,300 --> 00:59:46,720
6005He said, "well,
6006has this been approved?"
6007
60081225
600900:59:46,750 --> 00:59:49,300
6010"of course
6011it was approved!"
6012
60131226
601400:59:49,340 --> 00:59:51,810
6015<i>She's in my arms,</i>
6016<i>and i got in the car.</i>
6017
60181227
601900:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,510
6020<i>My friend,</i>
6021<i>she just nods her head.</i>
6022
60231228
602400:59:56,060 --> 00:59:58,350
6025<i>Boom! With that,</i>
6026<i>i pull my leg in,</i>
6027<i>shut that door.</i>
6028
60291229
603000:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,650
6031<i>She hits the locks,</i>
6032<i>and we drive.</i>
6033
60341230
603501:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,270
6036<i>And people</i>
6037<i>are yelling my name,</i>
6038
60391231
604001:00:02,300 --> 01:00:04,320
6041<i>Saying, "spanky, no! No!"</i>
6042
60431232
604401:00:04,350 --> 01:00:06,410
6045<i>I mean, just freaked out.</i>
6046
60471233
604801:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,320
6049<i>I'm thinkin'</i>
6050<i>"i'm a dead person,</i>
6051
60521234
605301:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,780
6054<i>"something terrible</i>
6055<i>is gonna happen to me."</i>
6056
60571235
605801:00:10,830 --> 01:00:12,660
6059<i>I was just so frightened</i>
6060
60611236
606201:00:12,700 --> 01:00:15,860
6063<i>That they would come</i>
6064<i>to fetch me up.</i>
6065
60661237
606701:00:20,890 --> 01:00:22,120
6068<i>One of the turning points</i>
6069
60701238
607101:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,520
6072<i>In travolta's relationship</i>
6073<i>with the church</i>
6074
60751239
607601:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,180
6077Is when he understood
6078what was happening to spanky,
6079
60801240
608101:00:28,210 --> 01:00:30,660
6082He didn't
6083do anything about it.
6084
60851241
608601:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,430
6087I know that
6088he certainly got exposed
6089
60901242
609101:00:33,470 --> 01:00:36,440
6092To the fact
6093that not everything
6094was on the up and up.
6095
60961243
609701:00:36,470 --> 01:00:39,100
6098Why that wasn't sufficient
6099for him to leave,
6100
61011244
610201:00:39,140 --> 01:00:41,220
6103I don't know.
6104
61051245
610601:00:41,280 --> 01:00:46,180
6107I often wonder what--
6108what could possibly
6109keep him there?
6110
61111246
611201:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,450
6113<i>Can you recall an incident</i>
6114
61151247
611601:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,710
6117<i>Which occurred</i>
6118<i>when your mother</i>
6119<i>looked younger?</i>
6120
61211248
612201:00:49,750 --> 01:00:54,400
6123<i>An auditor learns to</i>
6124<i>keep notes contemporaneously</i>
6125
61261249
612701:00:54,460 --> 01:00:56,790
6128<i>As he is doing a session,</i>
6129
61301250
613101:00:56,820 --> 01:01:00,210
6132<i>About every detail</i>
6133<i>of the person's life,</i>
6134
61351251
613601:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,130
6137<i>Back to birth and beyond.</i>
6138
61391252
614001:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,630
6141<i>If you do the whole program,</i>
6142
61431253
614401:01:04,670 --> 01:01:07,200
6145<i>You end up with</i>
6146<i>up to a file cabinet full</i>
6147
61481254
614901:01:07,220 --> 01:01:11,140
6150<i>Of pre-clear folders</i>
6151<i>on notations about your life,</i>
6152
61531255
615401:01:11,170 --> 01:01:14,170
6155<i>Your thoughts,</i>
6156<i>and your considerations</i>
6157<i>about your life.</i>
6158
61591256
616001:01:14,210 --> 01:01:16,590
6161It's the most
6162intimate detail.
6163
61641257
616501:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,390
6166<i>You're always encouraged,</i>
6167<i>you're always threatened,</i>
6168
61691258
617001:01:19,430 --> 01:01:24,350
6171<i>To disclose more</i>
6172<i>and more and more.</i>
6173<i>And all of it's recorded.</i>
6174
61751259
617601:01:24,380 --> 01:01:25,820
6177<i>All of this material,</i>
6178
61791260
618001:01:25,850 --> 01:01:28,400
6181<i>Which is represented to you</i>
6182<i>to be held sacrosanct--</i>
6183
61841261
618501:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,990
6186<i>In fact, any information</i>
6187
61881262
618901:01:31,020 --> 01:01:33,740
6190<i>That might do some harm</i>
6191<i>to the organization,</i>
6192
61931263
619401:01:33,780 --> 01:01:36,230
6195Gets unclassified
6196automatically
6197
61981264
619901:01:36,250 --> 01:01:38,830
6200And gets reported
6201to another branch
6202of the church
6203
62041265
620501:01:38,870 --> 01:01:41,030
6206That deals with "ethics."
6207
62081266
620901:01:46,340 --> 01:01:48,910
6210<i>Travolta was down</i>
6211<i>in clearwater.</i>
6212
62131267
621401:01:48,930 --> 01:01:51,260
6215<i>We'd finished</i>
6216<i>the renovations.</i>
6217
62181268
621901:01:51,300 --> 01:01:53,600
6220<i>Every auditing room</i>
6221<i>had two cameras--</i>
6222
62231269
622401:01:53,630 --> 01:01:56,920
6225<i>One on the meter,</i>
6226<i>and one on the guy</i>
6227<i>getting auditing.</i>
6228
62291270
623001:01:56,930 --> 01:02:00,100
6231<i>Miscavige would sit</i>
6232<i>in this 15x15 room,</i>
6233
62341271
623501:02:00,140 --> 01:02:02,100
6236<i>Cameras of every session.</i>
6237
62381272
623901:02:02,140 --> 01:02:03,590
6240<i>You can flip in between 'em,</i>
6241
62421273
624301:02:03,610 --> 01:02:05,560
6244And he was watching
6245these things.
6246
62471274
624801:02:05,610 --> 01:02:07,110
6249And it was
6250for "training purposes."
6251
62521275
625301:02:07,140 --> 01:02:08,590
6254Well, travolta saw that,
6255
62561276
625701:02:08,610 --> 01:02:11,530
6258And he said,
6259"i will not be videoed."
6260
62611277
626201:02:11,570 --> 01:02:14,530
6263So i was there when
6264they were setting it up,
6265
62661278
626701:02:14,570 --> 01:02:16,400
6268And miscavige
6269was directing it.
6270
62711279
627201:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,240
6273"get him
6274into a hotel room,
6275
62761280
627701:02:18,270 --> 01:02:21,870
6278"hook up secret,
6279private videos."
6280
62811281
628201:02:22,940 --> 01:02:25,110
6283<i>There were rumors</i>
6284
62851282
628601:02:25,130 --> 01:02:27,130
6287<i>That he was</i>
6288<i>threatening to leave,</i>
6289
62901283
629101:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,050
6292<i>And another scientologist</i>
6293<i>told me that he was delegated</i>
6294
62951284
629601:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,500
6297To create a black pr package--
6298all the damaging material
6299
63001285
630101:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,840
6302They could use
6303against travolta,
6304
63051286
630601:02:36,890 --> 01:02:39,140
6307Which came
6308from his auditing sessions.
6309
63101287
631101:02:39,180 --> 01:02:41,840
6312I know this
6313because i used to do it
6314
63151288
631601:02:41,900 --> 01:02:45,730
6317<i>When i was the head</i>
6318<i>of the office of</i>
6319<i>special affairs.</i>
6320
63211289
632201:02:45,770 --> 01:02:47,520
6323We would
6324put a team of people
6325
63261290
632701:02:47,570 --> 01:02:50,770
6328<i>Onto going through</i>
6329<i>all of these pc folders</i>
6330
63311291
633201:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,520
6333<i>And finding things</i>
6334<i>that they believe.</i>
6335
63361292
633701:02:54,580 --> 01:02:57,610
6338<i>By exposing them</i>
6339<i>or threatening to expose them,</i>
6340
63411293
634201:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,250
6343<i>They will cower the person</i>
6344
63451294
634601:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,780
6347<i>That they're worried about</i>
6348<i>into silence.</i>
6349
63501295
635101:03:06,150 --> 01:03:07,620
6352<i>There is a particular writing</i>
6353
63541296
635501:03:07,650 --> 01:03:12,260
6356<i>Where hubbard</i>
6357<i>is training these office</i>
6358<i>of special affairs people</i>
6359
63601297
636101:03:12,290 --> 01:03:16,460
6362On how, when you use
6363private information
6364
63651298
636601:03:16,500 --> 01:03:19,850
6367To control somebody
6368to do what you want them
6369to do,
6370
63711299
637201:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,630
6373And to silence them
6374from speaking out
6375against scientology,
6376
63771300
637801:03:22,670 --> 01:03:26,020
6379It's really not blackmail,
6380because you're not
6381asking for money.
6382
63831301
638401:03:26,060 --> 01:03:27,970
6385But you're holding
6386this secret information
6387
63881302
638901:03:28,010 --> 01:03:30,310
6390Over the person's head
6391to silence them.
6392
63931303
639401:03:30,340 --> 01:03:32,510
6395<i>As far as travolta</i>
6396<i>is concerned,</i>
6397
63981304
639901:03:32,530 --> 01:03:35,850
6400<i>People say, well, he--</i>
6401<i>there's all these things</i>
6402<i>that we know about</i>
6403
64041305
640501:03:35,870 --> 01:03:37,700
6406<i>That have been rumored</i>
6407<i>in the tabloids.</i>
6408
64091306
641001:03:37,730 --> 01:03:40,540
6411<i>But in fact,</i>
6412<i>it's more of</i>
6413<i>a two-way street.</i>
6414
64151307
641601:03:40,570 --> 01:03:42,290
6417You know, he's provided
6418with an auditor
6419
64201308
642101:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,710
6422Whose shoulder
6423he can cry on,
6424
64251309
642601:03:43,740 --> 01:03:46,710
6427But he's also
6428provided with the muscle
6429of the church,
6430
64311310
643201:03:46,740 --> 01:03:49,290
6433<i>In the form of myself</i>
6434<i>and mike rinder.</i>
6435
64361311
643701:03:49,330 --> 01:03:50,500
6438<i>On many occasions,</i>
6439
64401312
644101:03:50,530 --> 01:03:52,630
6442<i>We were sent out</i>
6443<i>to get with his publicist,</i>
6444
64451313
644601:03:52,670 --> 01:03:53,830
6447<i>To get with his lawyer,</i>
6448
64491314
645001:03:53,870 --> 01:03:56,670
6451And to help squash
6452or intimidate these people
6453
64541315
645501:03:56,700 --> 01:03:58,970
6456That are making accusations
6457against him.
6458
64591316
646001:03:59,010 --> 01:04:00,470
6461Once that happened,
6462
64631317
646401:04:00,510 --> 01:04:03,640
6465I think he was really
6466the church's captive.
6467
64681318
646901:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,430
6470Mr. John travolta!
6471
64721319
647301:04:25,170 --> 01:04:27,730
6474<i>When they were facing lawsuits</i>
6475<i>and stuff like that,</i>
6476
64771320
647801:04:27,750 --> 01:04:29,030
6479<i>He'd be brought forward,</i>
6480
64811321
648201:04:29,070 --> 01:04:31,870
6483<i>And make his testimony</i>
6484<i>about how great</i>
6485<i>scientology is.</i>
6486
64871322
648801:04:31,910 --> 01:04:33,540
6489<i>He had the opportunity</i>
6490
64911323
649201:04:33,570 --> 01:04:37,410
6493To affect
6494the behavior of the church,
6495and he chose not to.
6496
64971324
649801:04:39,180 --> 01:04:41,850
6499<i>Now i've been a scientologist</i>
6500<i>for 23 years.</i>
6501
65021325
650301:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,220
6504I've felt like a pioneer
6505in many-- in many ways,
6506
65071326
650801:04:44,270 --> 01:04:47,770
6509And i've--
6510i've seen my efforts
6511come to fruition...
6512
65131327
651401:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,750
6515In various ways.
6516
65171328
651801:04:49,770 --> 01:04:52,720
6519I think very few people
6520can say that.
6521
65221329
652301:04:52,780 --> 01:04:55,440
6524I've-- i'm part of a--
6525of a frontier in a way,
6526
65271330
652801:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,760
6529You know, that,
6530that very few people
6531ever get to be part of.
6532
65331331
653401:05:33,070 --> 01:05:35,520
6535Thank you.
6536
65371332
653801:05:35,570 --> 01:05:38,100
6539Welcome to church!
6540
65411333
654201:05:38,140 --> 01:05:41,740
6543<i>It was the biggest event</i>
6544<i>in scientology history,</i>
6545
65461334
654701:05:41,780 --> 01:05:45,190
6548<i>And of course,</i>
6549<i>miscavige wanted to milk it</i>
6550<i>for everything he had.</i>
6551
65521335
655301:05:45,250 --> 01:05:47,200
6554<i>It's this</i>
6555<i>grand, produced thing,</i>
6556
65571336
655801:05:47,250 --> 01:05:51,670
6559<i>Where it's all</i>
6560<i>a single person</i>
6561<i>on a gigantic stage,</i>
6562
65631337
656401:05:51,700 --> 01:05:54,990
6565<i>All this sort of</i>
6566<i>nazi symbolism.</i>
6567
65681338
656901:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,820
6570<i>I clearly recall</i>
6571<i>getting prepared</i>
6572<i>for the event</i>
6573
65741339
657501:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,630
6576<i>And miscavige</i>
6577<i>up in that office,</i>
6578
65791340
658001:06:00,660 --> 01:06:03,290
6581<i>You know,</i>
6582<i>going 18-20 hours a day</i>
6583
65841341
658501:06:03,330 --> 01:06:06,300
6586Writing this speech,
6587and thinking to myself,
6588
65891342
659001:06:06,330 --> 01:06:09,220
6591"my god, you know?
6592This is not just
6593
65941343
659501:06:09,270 --> 01:06:11,890
6596"a victory celebration,
6597
65981344
659901:06:11,940 --> 01:06:14,270
6600"this is a--
6601this is a coup."
6602
66031345
660401:06:14,310 --> 01:06:16,810
6605What we are going
6606to talk about
6607
66081346
660901:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,650
6610Is the war
6611to end all wars.
6612
66131347
661401:06:20,700 --> 01:06:23,150
6615When you are in scientology,
6616you are in all the way.
6617
66181348
661901:06:23,180 --> 01:06:25,570
6620There's no half in
6621and half out.
6622
66231349
662401:06:25,620 --> 01:06:28,620
6625<i>A decade into</i>
6626<i>miscavige's leadership,</i>
6627
66281350
662901:06:28,660 --> 01:06:30,910
6630<i>A simmering crisis</i>
6631<i>finally came to a boil.</i>
6632
66331351
663401:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,380
6635<i>For years hubbard had</i>
6636<i>insisted that scientology</i>
6637<i>was a religion</i>
6638
66391352
664001:06:35,410 --> 01:06:37,460
6641<i>And should be tax-exempt,</i>
6642
66431353
664401:06:37,500 --> 01:06:41,200
6645<i>So he had refused</i>
6646<i>to pay any taxes.</i>
6647
66481354
664901:06:41,220 --> 01:06:43,750
6650We were facing a tax bill
6651
66521355
665301:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,340
6654Of over a billion dollars,
6655and the total assets,
6656
66571356
665801:06:47,370 --> 01:06:50,930
6659Liquid and material,
6660and property of the church
6661
66621357
666301:06:50,980 --> 01:06:54,010
6664Was about a quarter of that
6665at the time, in the '80s.
6666
66671358
666801:06:54,060 --> 01:06:58,320
6669And so just
6670from a real simple
6671accounting basis,
6672
66731359
667401:06:58,350 --> 01:06:59,680
6675It was life and death.
6676
66771360
667801:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,270
6679If we don't
6680get exemption, we die.
6681
66821361
668301:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,220
6684If we get it, we survive.
6685
66861362
668701:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,110
6688As lrh said,
6689
66901363
669101:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,780
6692"one certainly
6693couldn't contest anyone
6694
66951364
669601:07:07,830 --> 01:07:10,560
6697"as holy as the commissioner
6698of the irs,
6699
67001365
670101:07:10,580 --> 01:07:15,120
6702"whom i believe gives god
6703his orders." lrh.
6704
67051366
670601:07:15,170 --> 01:07:17,120
6707<i>Faced with this crisis,</i>
6708
67091367
671001:07:17,170 --> 01:07:19,900
6711<i>David miscavige</i>
6712<i>formulated a strategy.</i>
6713
67141368
671501:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,960
6716<i>Think of the nerve</i>
6717<i>that it takes</i>
6718
67191369
672001:07:23,010 --> 01:07:25,760
6721To decide to take on a war
6722with the irs.
6723
67241370
672501:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,630
6726The church of scientology
6727
67281371
672901:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,080
6730Has been crucifying
6731the federal agency
6732
67331372
673401:07:30,100 --> 01:07:32,470
6735For its sins
6736on a regular basis,
6737
67381373
673901:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,550
6740Both in and out of courts.
6741
67421374
674301:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,220
6744<i>Thousands of scientologists</i>
6745<i>all filed lawsuits,</i>
6746
67471375
674801:07:38,260 --> 01:07:39,420
6749<i>Not just against the irs,</i>
6750
67511376
675201:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,310
6753<i>But against</i>
6754<i>individual irs employees.</i>
6755
67561377
675701:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,260
6758<i>2400 total lawsuits,</i>
6759
67601378
676101:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,150
6762<i>All going at the irs</i>
6763<i>at one time.</i>
6764
67651379
676601:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,900
6767It was
6768a litigation nightmare.
6769
67701380
677101:07:48,940 --> 01:07:51,620
6772<i>Being miscavige's</i>
6773<i>right-hand man,</i>
6774
67751381
677601:07:51,660 --> 01:07:53,570
6777<i>I was in charge</i>
6778<i>of all those efforts.</i>
6779
67801382
678101:07:53,610 --> 01:07:56,820
6782<i>We were not only</i>
6783<i>suing them in every possible</i>
6784<i>jurisdiction there was,</i>
6785
67861383
678701:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,740
6788We were investigating
6789the irs for crimes generally,
6790
67911384
679201:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,330
6793Or things that would
6794offend the public.
6795
67961385
679701:08:01,380 --> 01:08:03,380
6798...These hearings
6799into irs integrity...
6800
68011386
680201:08:03,420 --> 01:08:04,720
6803<i>In the late '80s,</i>
6804
68051387
680601:08:04,750 --> 01:08:06,470
6807<i>There were hearings</i>
6808<i>about irs abuses</i>
6809
68101388
681101:08:06,500 --> 01:08:07,750
6812<i>That had nothing to do</i>
6813<i>with scientology,</i>
6814
68151389
681601:08:07,790 --> 01:08:08,920
6817<i>Had nothing to do</i>
6818<i>with nonprofits,</i>
6819
68201390
682101:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,340
6822<i>Had nothing</i>
6823<i>to do with churches.</i>
6824
68251391
682601:08:10,390 --> 01:08:12,470
6827<i>They had to do</i>
6828<i>with joe taxpayer.</i>
6829
68301392
683101:08:12,510 --> 01:08:15,460
6832<i>And they we were publishing</i>
6833<i>these glossy,</i>
6834
68351393
683601:08:15,480 --> 01:08:16,900
6837<i>Expensive magazines.</i>
6838
68391394
684001:08:16,930 --> 01:08:19,980
6841<i>In fact, the exposés</i>
6842<i>of irs crimes</i>
6843
68441395
684501:08:20,020 --> 01:08:22,900
6846Were so hated
6847that possession
6848of "freedom" magazine
6849
68501396
685101:08:22,940 --> 01:08:25,850
6852Was banned by irs officials
6853in the irs building.
6854
68551397
685601:08:28,020 --> 01:08:32,910
6857There is going to be
6858a irs conference
6859in the catskills.
6860
68611398
686201:08:32,950 --> 01:08:36,030
6863Right?
6864And so we would send a pi,
6865
68661399
686701:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,080
6868<i>Find out which hotel</i>
6869<i>it's gonna be at,</i>
6870
68711400
687201:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,320
6873<i>Get down there</i>
6874<i>during happy hour,</i>
6875<i>socialize.</i>
6876
68771401
687801:08:41,340 --> 01:08:44,510
6879<i>And this guy's tallying</i>
6880<i>who's drinkin' what.</i>
6881
68821402
688301:08:44,540 --> 01:08:46,420
6884And so we go through
6885freedom of information act
6886
68871403
688801:08:46,460 --> 01:08:49,710
6889To find out
6890that the taxpayers
6891are paying the bar bill,
6892
68931404
689401:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,550
6895And it's so much money.
6896
68971405
689801:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,800
6899And of course, you know,
6900
69011406
690201:08:52,830 --> 01:08:54,670
6903In the scheme of things,
6904it's nothing.
6905
69061407
690701:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,550
6908But from a pr perspective,
6909it's everything.
6910
69111408
691201:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,640
6913Irs officials told me
6914to my face
6915
69161409
691701:09:00,670 --> 01:09:03,110
6918They weren't interested
6919in hearing anything
6920
69211410
692201:09:03,140 --> 01:09:07,030
6923I had to say
6924because, and i quote,
6925
69261411
692701:09:07,060 --> 01:09:09,180
6928"you are a scientologist.
6929
69301412
693101:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,400
6932"you are a mindless robot."
6933
69341413
693501:09:12,450 --> 01:09:16,200
6936Well, those who know me
6937can imagine my response.
6938
69391414
694001:09:18,580 --> 01:09:22,410
6941It was short,
6942but certainly made the point.
6943
69441415
694501:09:24,300 --> 01:09:28,130
6946<i>A negotiation</i>
6947<i>began to take place</i>
6948
69491416
695001:09:28,170 --> 01:09:32,420
6951<i>Between the irs</i>
6952<i>and the church</i>
6953<i>of scientology.</i>
6954
69551417
695601:09:32,470 --> 01:09:34,390
6957How do you define
6958a religion?
6959
69601418
696101:09:34,420 --> 01:09:36,010
6962It's not so easy.
6963
69641419
696501:09:36,040 --> 01:09:40,140
6966Why is one body
6967of thinking a religion
6968
69691420
697001:09:40,180 --> 01:09:42,650
6971<i>And another body not?</i>
6972
69731421
697401:09:42,680 --> 01:09:47,490
6975<i>The only organization</i>
6976<i>entitled to make</i>
6977<i>those distinctions</i>
6978
69791422
698001:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,520
6981<i>Is the irs as an agency--</i>
6982
69831423
698401:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,820
6985<i>Very poorly equipped</i>
6986<i>to do that.</i>
6987
69881424
698901:09:51,860 --> 01:09:53,610
6990<i>I mean, they're mainly</i>
6991<i>accountants and lawyers,</i>
6992
69931425
699401:09:53,660 --> 01:09:55,410
6995<i>They're not theologians.</i>
6996
69971426
699801:09:55,450 --> 01:09:58,080
6999<i>But it's the only opinion</i>
7000<i>that matters.</i>
7001
70021427
700301:09:58,110 --> 01:10:01,370
7004<i>Once the irs has decided</i>
7005<i>that you are a religion,</i>
7006
70071428
700801:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,540
7009<i>Then you are protected</i>
7010<i>by the vast protections</i>
7011
70121429
701301:10:05,590 --> 01:10:08,210
7014<i>Of the first amendment.</i>
7015
70161430
701701:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,090
7018<i>And, as the saying goes,</i>
7019
70201431
702101:10:11,130 --> 01:10:14,750
7022The rest is history.
7023On october the first, 1993,
7024
70251432
702601:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,850
7027At 8:37 pm
7028eastern standard time,
7029
70301433
703101:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,100
7032The irs issued letters
7033recognizing scientology
7034
70351434
703601:10:21,140 --> 01:10:23,220
7037And every one
7038of its organizations
7039
70401435
704101:10:23,260 --> 01:10:26,440
7042As fully tax-exempt!
7043The war is over!
7044
70451436
704601:10:33,370 --> 01:10:35,230
7047<i>The war ended</i>
7048
70491437
705001:10:35,270 --> 01:10:37,200
7051<i>Because the irs surrendered.</i>
7052
70531438
705401:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,400
7055<i>It forgave</i>
7056<i>the billion-dollar tax bill</i>
7057
70581439
705901:10:39,440 --> 01:10:43,070
7060<i>And granted scientology</i>
7061<i>its tax exemption.</i>
7062
70631440
706401:10:43,110 --> 01:10:45,880
7065<i>Even hubbard's novels</i>
7066<i>were declared religious texts,</i>
7067
70681441
706901:10:45,910 --> 01:10:49,080
7070<i>Their sales</i>
7071<i>exempt from taxes.</i>
7072
70731442
707401:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,500
7075What happened
7076is that fred goldberg,
7077
70781443
707901:10:51,550 --> 01:10:54,340
7080Who was the irs commissioner
7081at that time--
7082
70831444
708401:10:54,390 --> 01:10:57,220
7085<i>Miscavige let goldberg know</i>
7086<i>that if we could find a way</i>
7087
70881445
708901:10:57,260 --> 01:10:58,760
7090<i>To get tax-exempt status,</i>
7091
70921446
709301:10:58,790 --> 01:11:00,620
7094<i>All those lawsuits</i>
7095<i>will go away overnight.</i>
7096
70971447
709801:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,090
7099<i>And as we were going</i>
7100<i>out the door,</i>
7101
71021448
710301:11:02,130 --> 01:11:04,460
7104<i>Fred goldberg goes,</i>
7105<i>"is he serious?"</i>
7106
71071449
710801:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,100
7109<i>And i said, "yeah."</i>
7110
71111450
711201:11:06,130 --> 01:11:08,300
7113And he sort of breathed
7114this sigh of relief,
7115
71161451
711701:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,490
7118Kind of nodded,
7119and smiled.
7120
71211452
712201:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,270
7123<i>At the church's</i>
7124<i>victory party,</i>
7125
71261453
712701:11:13,310 --> 01:11:16,070
7128<i>Miscavige projected photos</i>
7129<i>of the church's executives</i>
7130
71311454
713201:11:16,110 --> 01:11:19,660
7133<i>Celebrating</i>
7134<i>with irs officials.</i>
7135
71361455
713701:11:19,700 --> 01:11:22,750
7138<i>It created</i>
7139<i>this tremendous juggernaut</i>
7140
71411456
714201:11:22,780 --> 01:11:27,370
7143<i>Of tight conspiracy</i>
7144<i>of the membership</i>
7145<i>that then existed,</i>
7146
71471457
714801:11:27,420 --> 01:11:30,760
7149<i>But what it really did</i>
7150<i>was enable miscavige</i>
7151
71521458
715301:11:30,790 --> 01:11:34,040
7154To milk every last dime
7155
71561459
715701:11:34,090 --> 01:11:35,880
7158Out of that core membership.
7159
71601460
716101:11:35,930 --> 01:11:40,010
7162I am proud to announce
7163the discrimination is over.
7164
71651461
716601:11:40,050 --> 01:11:41,930
7167Your tax dona--
7168
71691462
717001:11:41,970 --> 01:11:44,000
7171Deductions on donations
7172to scientology
7173
71741463
717501:11:44,020 --> 01:11:47,560
7176Will no longer be disallowed
7177by the internal revenue service.
7178
71791464
718001:11:50,440 --> 01:11:52,890
7181<i>In the '80s,</i>
7182<i>while hubbard was in hiding,</i>
7183
71841465
718501:11:52,950 --> 01:11:56,530
7186<i>Scientology was going through</i>
7187<i>some very severe litigation,</i>
7188
71891466
719001:11:56,570 --> 01:11:58,400
7191<i>In particular,</i>
7192<i>a lawsuit in oregon,</i>
7193
71941467
719501:11:58,450 --> 01:11:59,980
7196<i>And one in los angeles.</i>
7197
71981468
719901:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,540
7200<i>One of them did produce</i>
7201<i>a $30 million judgment.</i>
7202
72031469
720401:12:02,570 --> 01:12:04,370
7205<i>This scared scientology.</i>
7206
72071470
720801:12:04,410 --> 01:12:06,290
7209<i>They realized</i>
7210<i>they were vulnerable.</i>
7211
72121471
721301:12:06,330 --> 01:12:07,740
7214And so they
7215asked scientologists,
7216
72171472
721801:12:07,790 --> 01:12:09,990
7219"okay, give us
7220a few thousand dollars.
7221
72221473
722301:12:10,030 --> 01:12:12,250
7224<i>"you'll get a nice ribbon</i>
7225<i>or something.</i>
7226
72271474
722801:12:12,300 --> 01:12:14,370
7229<i>"you're not gonna get</i>
7230<i>any courses from it."</i>
7231<i>and this was new,</i>
7232
72331475
723401:12:14,380 --> 01:12:16,370
7235<i>The idea that you would</i>
7236<i>give them money</i>
7237
72381476
723901:12:16,390 --> 01:12:18,550
7240<i>Just to defend</i>
7241<i>against lawsuits.</i>
7242
72431477
724401:12:18,590 --> 01:12:19,890
7245<i>And that grew and grew.</i>
7246
72471478
724801:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,720
7249Now scientologists
7250are constantly
7251
72521479
725301:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,060
7254Under intense pressure
7255just to hand money over.
7256
72571480
725801:12:26,100 --> 01:12:28,650
7259They pitch themselves
7260as being the underdog,
7261
72621481
726301:12:28,680 --> 01:12:33,270
7264As being the victim.
7265And you identify with that.
7266
72671482
726801:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,890
7269But then they start
7270hitting you up
7271
72721483
727301:12:34,900 --> 01:12:37,020
7274For bigger donations,
7275and bigger-- and i got
7276a lot of pressure.
7277
72781484
727901:12:37,060 --> 01:12:40,270
7280And i think
7281i donated another $250,000
7282to them under pressure.
7283
72841485
728501:12:40,330 --> 01:12:41,890
7286They really know
7287how to do it.
7288
72891486
729001:12:41,910 --> 01:12:44,280
7291They really know how to do it,
7292and he just was after me
7293and after me.
7294
72951487
729601:12:44,330 --> 01:12:46,530
7297And they said,
7298"we're under attack, paul."
7299
73001488
730101:12:46,570 --> 01:12:48,670
7302This one guy who donated
7303$25 million,
7304
73051489
730601:12:48,700 --> 01:12:51,070
7307For no-- you know,
7308just straight donation,
7309
73101490
731101:12:51,090 --> 01:12:53,500
7312To this--
7313to the scientology war chest.
7314
73151491
731601:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,010
7317<i>Churches are tax-exempt</i>
7318
73191492
732001:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,100
7321<i>Because they're supposed</i>
7322<i>to provide a public good.</i>
7323
73241493
732501:13:01,130 --> 01:13:03,260
7326<i>To prove that good</i>
7327<i>to the irs,</i>
7328
73291494
733001:13:03,300 --> 01:13:05,720
7331<i>Churches aren't supposed</i>
7332<i>to hoard their money.</i>
7333
73341495
733501:13:05,750 --> 01:13:09,720
7336<i>They're supposed to spend it</i>
7337<i>on services for the faithful.</i>
7338
73391496
734001:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,890
7341<i>Under this pretense,</i>
7342<i>the church had made</i>
7343<i>massive investments</i>
7344
73451497
734601:13:12,940 --> 01:13:14,980
7347<i>In tax-free real estate</i>
7348<i>all over the world.</i>
7349
73501498
735101:13:15,030 --> 01:13:17,700
7352<i>And when it comes</i>
7353<i>to labor costs,</i>
7354
73551499
735601:13:17,730 --> 01:13:21,400
7357<i>They are almost free.</i>
7358
73591500
736001:13:21,430 --> 01:13:23,480
7361The max i got paid,
7362you know,
7363
73641501
736501:13:23,540 --> 01:13:26,270
7366On a weekly basis
7367was 50 bucks,
7368
73691502
737001:13:26,290 --> 01:13:28,240
7371Um, for 28 years.
7372
73731503
737401:13:28,290 --> 01:13:31,610
7375Sea org workers
7376take home something
7377
73781504
737901:13:31,630 --> 01:13:35,210
7380Between six and 40 cents
7381an hour.
7382
73831505
738401:13:35,250 --> 01:13:38,950
7385So if you've got
7386very low labor costs,
7387
73881506
738901:13:38,970 --> 01:13:43,140
7390No taxes to pay,
7391and wealthy people
7392giving you donations,
7393
73941507
739501:13:43,170 --> 01:13:47,810
7396<i>You can see why</i>
7397<i>scientology has amassed</i>
7398<i>huge piles of money.</i>
7399
74001508
740101:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,290
7402<i>How much are they worth?</i>
7403
74041509
740501:13:49,310 --> 01:13:51,650
7406<i>This was a bit of a mystery,</i>
7407<i>but just recently,</i>
7408
74091510
741001:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,960
7411<i>I obtained tax records</i>
7412<i>that scientology</i>
7413
74141511
741501:13:53,980 --> 01:13:55,800
7416<i>Does have to turn in.</i>
7417
74181512
741901:13:55,820 --> 01:13:58,300
7420<i>Three of the main entities</i>
7421<i>of scientology--</i>
7422
74231513
742401:13:58,320 --> 01:13:59,990
7425<i>And there are 20</i>
7426<i>or 30 of them--</i>
7427
74281514
742901:14:00,020 --> 01:14:02,470
7430<i>But the top three,</i>
7431<i>just on their own,</i>
7432
74331515
743401:14:02,490 --> 01:14:06,160
7435<i>Have a book value</i>
7436<i>of $1.5 billion.</i>
7437
74381516
743901:14:07,450 --> 01:14:10,620
7440It's stunning how much money
7441a nonprofit
7442
74431517
744401:14:10,650 --> 01:14:12,200
7445Has been able to amass.
7446
74471518
744801:14:22,830 --> 01:14:26,800
7449It is a crime
7450that we've given them
7451religious recognition
7452
74531519
745401:14:26,830 --> 01:14:28,500
7455And that
7456they can hide behind it.
7457
74581520
745901:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,690
7460<i>Meanwhile, you got</i>
7461<i>very good people in there,</i>
7462
74631521
746401:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,170
7465<i>And their lives</i>
7466<i>are being destroyed.</i>
7467
74681522
746901:14:33,190 --> 01:14:35,110
7470<i>When i started</i>
7471<i>this story,</i>
7472
74731523
747401:14:35,140 --> 01:14:38,480
7475<i>I stumbled across</i>
7476<i>an fbi investigation</i>
7477<i>of the church.</i>
7478
74791524
748001:14:38,510 --> 01:14:41,350
7481<i>They were investigating</i>
7482<i>human trafficking.</i>
7483
74841525
748501:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,450
7486<i>It seemed that people</i>
7487<i>were being confined</i>
7488<i>against their will.</i>
7489
74901526
749101:14:44,480 --> 01:14:47,990
7492<i>There were lots</i>
7493<i>of reports of people</i>
7494<i>being physically abused,</i>
7495
74961527
749701:14:48,020 --> 01:14:51,160
7498And the exploitation
7499of labor and child labor.
7500
75011528
750201:14:51,190 --> 01:14:55,240
7503All of these things
7504were questions that
7505the fbi had.
7506
75071529
750801:14:55,300 --> 01:14:57,910
7509<i>While that investigation</i>
7510<i>was going on,</i>
7511
75121530
751301:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,080
7514<i>A case was being heard</i>
7515<i>in colorado--</i>
7516
75171531
751801:15:01,130 --> 01:15:04,000
7519<i>The headleys,</i>
7520<i>who were suing the church</i>
7521
75221532
752301:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,720
7524<i>For many</i>
7525<i>of these same violations.</i>
7526
75271533
752801:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,390
7529<i>And the court</i>
7530<i>ruled in that case</i>
7531
75321534
753301:15:10,430 --> 01:15:13,010
7534<i>That these are all</i>
7535<i>essentially practices</i>
7536
75371535
753801:15:13,050 --> 01:15:16,180
7539<i>That are protected</i>
7540<i>by the religious clause</i>
7541
75421536
754301:15:16,220 --> 01:15:18,880
7544<i>Of the first amendment.</i>
7545
75461537
754701:15:18,900 --> 01:15:20,400
7548Once that ruling came out,
7549
75501538
755101:15:20,440 --> 01:15:22,690
7552The fbi dropped
7553its investigation.
7554
75551539
755601:15:22,720 --> 01:15:27,190
7557I think it was an indication
7558that the church is protected.
7559
75601540
756101:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,580
7562Before ending cycle
7563completely on the irs,
7564
75651541
756601:15:30,610 --> 01:15:33,250
7567There is one thing
7568i do wish to do.
7569
75701542
757101:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,400
7572Sir. Done.
7573
75741543
757501:16:33,260 --> 01:16:34,980
7576<i>The "we stand tall" thing--</i>
7577
75781544
757901:16:35,010 --> 01:16:37,760
7580<i>This again was part</i>
7581<i>of this whole irs thing.</i>
7582
75831545
758401:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,260
7585<i>And miscavige kind of</i>
7586<i>had this song composed</i>
7587
75881546
758901:16:40,300 --> 01:16:42,570
7590<i>By the musician group</i>
7591<i>they had up at the studio.</i>
7592
75931547
759401:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,520
7595<i>He was trying</i>
7596<i>to turn this into--</i>
7597
75981548
759901:16:44,570 --> 01:16:47,410
7600This was a result of the power
7601of this movement...
7602
76031549
760401:16:56,620 --> 01:16:58,620
7605...Which was such bullshit,
7606
76071550
760801:16:58,650 --> 01:17:01,340
7609<i>Because it was</i>
7610<i>all about control.</i>
7611
76121551
761301:17:01,370 --> 01:17:05,320
7614<i>When he got absolute control,</i>
7615<i>he went absolutely bonkers.</i>
7616
76171552
761801:17:18,220 --> 01:17:20,020
7619<i>You know, most religions</i>
7620<i>are tax-exempt</i>
7621
76221553
762301:17:20,060 --> 01:17:22,020
7624<i>And many have beliefs</i>
7625<i>and practices</i>
7626
76271554
762801:17:22,060 --> 01:17:25,280
7629<i>That in the modern context</i>
7630<i>would be considered strange.</i>
7631
76321555
763301:17:25,310 --> 01:17:26,890
7634Is scientology any different?
7635
76361556
763701:17:26,950 --> 01:17:28,230
7638I mean,
7639if you go to a christian
7640
76411557
764201:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,150
7643Or a jew or a muslim,
7644and ask them,
7645
76461558
764701:17:31,180 --> 01:17:32,680
7648"what do you believe?",
7649
76501559
765101:17:32,700 --> 01:17:34,320
7652They can basically describe
7653
76541560
765501:17:34,350 --> 01:17:37,370
7656The most important parts
7657of their religion
7658
76591561
766001:17:37,410 --> 01:17:38,990
7661In a minute or two.
7662
76631562
766401:17:39,020 --> 01:17:40,690
7665Well, what does
7666a scientologist believe?
7667
76681563
766901:17:40,710 --> 01:17:43,460
7670You need to be in scientology
7671for seven or eight years,
7672
76731564
767401:17:43,500 --> 01:17:45,860
7675And in for a couple hundred
7676thousand dollars,
7677
76781565
767901:17:45,880 --> 01:17:47,920
7680Before you finally
7681learn this backstory
7682
76831566
768401:17:47,970 --> 01:17:49,830
7685Of xenu
7686the galactic overlord.
7687
76881567
768901:17:49,870 --> 01:17:51,750
7690Now, if you were told that
7691on day one,
7692
76931568
769401:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,750
7695How many people would join?
7696
76971569
769801:17:53,810 --> 01:17:55,470
7699But if they were
7700upfront about it,
7701
77021570
770301:17:55,510 --> 01:17:57,090
7704I'd have more respect
7705for them.
7706
77071571
770801:17:57,140 --> 01:17:58,840
7709But it's that sort of
7710bait and switch
7711
77121572
771301:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,980
7714That people are told,
7715"oh, it's an applied philosophy
7716
77171573
771801:18:01,010 --> 01:18:03,050
7719"to help you
7720with your communication."
7721
77221574
772301:18:03,070 --> 01:18:04,730
7724Oh, yeah?
7725
77261575
772701:18:04,770 --> 01:18:07,050
7728So why is tom cruise
7729paying 1,000 bucks
7730
77311576
773201:18:07,070 --> 01:18:10,220
7733To have invisible aliens
7734pulled out of his body?
7735
77361577
773701:18:18,700 --> 01:18:20,500
7738<i>What happens when</i>
7739<i>your zone of influence</i>
7740
77411578
774201:18:20,530 --> 01:18:22,030
7743<i>Is the global stage?</i>
7744
77451579
774601:18:22,070 --> 01:18:26,500
7747<i>How much must one do</i>
7748<i>to call themselves</i>
7749<i>a scientologist?</i>
7750
77511580
775201:18:26,540 --> 01:18:29,570
7753<i>How much so that</i>
7754<i>when their head</i>
7755<i>hits the pillow,</i>
7756
77571581
775801:18:29,590 --> 01:18:31,710
7759They can live
7760with themselves,
7761
77621582
776301:18:31,740 --> 01:18:34,460
7764Knowing they did
7765all they could do?
7766
77671583
776801:18:34,510 --> 01:18:36,800
7769That is our final story
7770this evening.
7771
77721584
777301:18:36,850 --> 01:18:40,470
7774It's a story that affects
7775every scientologist,
7776
77771585
777801:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,690
7779For all of us
7780are the beneficiaries
7781of what he presents.
7782
77831586
778401:18:46,610 --> 01:18:49,310
7785<i>Tom cruise was the guy.</i>
7786
77871587
778801:18:49,360 --> 01:18:53,530
7789<i>Miscavige and cruise</i>
7790<i>had been pretty buddy-buddy,</i>
7791
77921588
779301:18:53,570 --> 01:18:56,650
7794Way back
7795to "days of thunder."
7796
77971589
779801:18:56,700 --> 01:19:00,700
7799<i>He was on the set with him,</i>
7800<i>he went skydiving with him,</i>
7801
78021590
780301:19:00,740 --> 01:19:04,070
7804<i>Was hangin' out with him</i>
7805<i>all the time.</i>
7806
78071591
780801:19:04,130 --> 01:19:06,780
7809<i>And that was when</i>
7810<i>tom first met nicole.</i>
7811
78121592
781301:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,250
7814<i>He had really fallen for her.</i>
7815
78161593
781701:19:09,280 --> 01:19:10,580
7818<i>They got married,</i>
7819
78201594
782101:19:10,620 --> 01:19:13,670
7822<i>And this posed</i>
7823<i>a dilemma for the church,</i>
7824
78251595
782601:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,170
7827<i>Because her father</i>
7828
78291596
783001:19:15,220 --> 01:19:19,390
7831<i>Is a well-known psychologist</i>
7832<i>in australia.</i>
7833
78341597
783501:19:19,430 --> 01:19:21,680
7836From the church's perspective,
7837he's the enemy.
7838
78391598
784001:19:21,730 --> 01:19:23,640
7841He's a suppressive person.
7842
78431599
784401:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,310
7845How could you ignore me
7846like this?
7847
78481600
784901:19:25,350 --> 01:19:27,060
7850<i>Because nicole is still</i>
7851
78521601
785301:19:27,100 --> 01:19:29,650
7854<i>In a relationship</i>
7855<i>with her father,</i>
7856
78571602
785801:19:29,690 --> 01:19:31,970
7859<i>That makes her dangerous.</i>
7860
78611603
786201:19:31,990 --> 01:19:35,520
7863<i>She's a potential</i>
7864<i>trouble source, pts.</i>
7865
78661604
786701:19:35,580 --> 01:19:39,330
7868<i>And because tom</i>
7869<i>is related to her,</i>
7870
78711605
787201:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,780
7873<i>This all causes trouble</i>
7874<i>from the church's perspective.</i>
7875
78761606
787701:19:42,830 --> 01:19:44,700
7878You have to
7879break that dynamic.
7880
78811607
788201:19:44,750 --> 01:19:47,820
7883<i>Nicole-- her biggest beef</i>
7884
78851608
788601:19:47,840 --> 01:19:52,540
7887<i>Was that tom was becoming</i>
7888<i>increasingly like dave.</i>
7889
78901609
789101:19:52,590 --> 01:19:55,330
7892<i>She really got him</i>
7893<i>to drift away from the church,</i>
7894
78951610
789601:19:55,340 --> 01:19:59,210
7897And tom was not
7898really actively involved
7899in scientology
7900
79011611
790201:19:59,270 --> 01:20:02,970
7903Between '92-ish
7904all the way up until 2001.
7905
79061612
790701:20:04,350 --> 01:20:08,110
7908<i>They were away</i>
7909<i>for more than a year</i>
7910
79111613
791201:20:08,140 --> 01:20:10,940
7913<i>Shooting "eyes wide shut"</i>
7914<i>in the uk.</i>
7915
79161614
791701:20:10,980 --> 01:20:14,900
7918And cruise was not in touch
7919with miscavige,
7920
79211615
792201:20:14,950 --> 01:20:17,280
7923And this
7924drove miscavige crazy.
7925
79261616
792701:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,020
7928I was assigned to, um,
7929get him back in.
7930
79311617
793201:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,320
7933And that was coincident with,
7934and-- and i was to facilitate
7935
79361618
793701:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,660
7938The breakup
7939with nicole kidman.
7940
79411619
794201:20:25,690 --> 01:20:27,570
7943And how'd you do that?
7944
79451620
794601:20:27,630 --> 01:20:30,210
7947Uh, well,
7948through a lot of auditing.
7949
79501621
795101:20:30,250 --> 01:20:33,830
7952<i>And every session</i>
7953<i>i ever gave to tom cruise--</i>
7954
79551622
795601:20:33,870 --> 01:20:37,920
7957<i>And there was dozens</i>
7958<i>upon dozens of them</i>
7959<i>over a three-year period--</i>
7960
79611623
796201:20:37,970 --> 01:20:39,700
7963<i>I had to write</i>
7964<i>detailed reports</i>
7965
79661624
796701:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,220
7968<i>And send them directly</i>
7969<i>to david miscavige.</i>
7970
79711625
797201:20:42,260 --> 01:20:44,640
7973<i>I would sit there every night</i>
7974<i>with our scotch</i>
7975
79761626
797701:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,980
7978And watch and listen
7979to miscavige comment
7980
79811627
798201:20:47,010 --> 01:20:50,680
7983About cruise's sex life,
7984and what-- yeah,
7985
79861628
798701:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,520
7988How perverted he was.
7989
79901629
799101:20:52,550 --> 01:20:56,220
7992<i>Why is he gettin'</i>
7993<i>daily reports on cruise?</i>
7994
79951630
799601:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,740
7997<i>Miscavige really wanted</i>
7998<i>to get him back</i>
7999
80001631
800101:20:58,770 --> 01:21:00,410
8002<i>Into being somebody</i>
8003<i>that he could use</i>
8004
80051632
800601:21:00,440 --> 01:21:04,280
8007To lure people
8008into scientology
8009and increase his own status.
8010
80111633
801201:21:04,330 --> 01:21:07,110
8013<i>And i was also involved</i>
8014<i>in the legal team</i>
8015
80161634
801701:21:07,170 --> 01:21:12,090
8018<i>And actually</i>
8019<i>hiring investigators</i>
8020<i>to investigate nicole.</i>
8021
80221635
802301:21:12,120 --> 01:21:13,750
8024Men have to stick it in
8025every place they can,
8026
80271636
802801:21:13,790 --> 01:21:15,790
8029But for women--
8030women, it is just about
8031
80321637
803301:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,710
8034Security and commitment--
8035
80361638
803701:21:17,740 --> 01:21:20,010
8038<i>Tom wanted to know exactly</i>
8039<i>who she was talking to,</i>
8040
80411639
804201:21:20,050 --> 01:21:22,850
8043<i>And so he wanted</i>
8044<i>to tap her phone.</i>
8045
80461640
804701:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,770
8048If you men only knew.
8049
80501641
805101:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,270
8052When i reported that day
8053to miscavige,
8054
80551642
805601:21:28,300 --> 01:21:31,590
8057I reported it,
8058like, "i mean, he wants
8059to tap her phone."
8060
80611643
806201:21:31,610 --> 01:21:33,890
8063He said,
8064"god damn it, get it done."
8065
80661644
806701:21:33,930 --> 01:21:37,730
8068<i>And so i arranged,</i>
8069<i>through the scientology's</i>
8070<i>consigliere,</i>
8071
80721645
807301:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,360
8074<i>To get</i>
8075<i>a private investigator</i>
8076
80771646
807801:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,950
8079Who physically installed
8080a wiretap on her home.
8081
80821647
808301:21:42,990 --> 01:21:44,940
8084And those tapes
8085would come in,
8086
80871648
808801:21:44,950 --> 01:21:48,410
8089<i>And i forwarded them</i>
8090<i>to dave miscavige.</i>
8091
80921649
809301:21:48,460 --> 01:21:50,910
8094<i>The church then turned</i>
8095<i>its attention</i>
8096
80971650
809801:21:50,940 --> 01:21:55,210
8099To their adopted children,
8100to turn them against
8101their mother
8102
81031651
810401:21:55,250 --> 01:21:58,300
8105<i>And make sure</i>
8106<i>that the custody went to tom.</i>
8107
81081652
810901:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,470
8110<i> Tommy davis,</i>
8111<i>he was my liaison</i>
8112
81131653
811401:22:04,510 --> 01:22:07,810
8115Who had to do all the things
8116that are required
8117
81181654
811901:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,230
8120To please tom cruise
8121
81221655
812301:22:09,260 --> 01:22:11,980
8124While he was being put through
8125the scientology hoops by me.
8126
81271656
812801:22:12,010 --> 01:22:16,520
8129<i>He also was</i>
8130<i>part of this whole</i>
8131<i>reeducation program,</i>
8132
81331657
813401:22:16,570 --> 01:22:19,690
8135<i>So that they would conclude</i>
8136<i>that their mother</i>
8137
81381658
813901:22:19,740 --> 01:22:22,190
8140<i>Was a suppressive person.</i>
8141
81421659
814301:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,410
8144<i>And that was successful.</i>
8145
81461660
814701:22:24,440 --> 01:22:26,330
8148<i>It was all going</i>
8149<i>according to plan.</i>
8150
81511661
815201:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,080
8153And of course,
8154miscavige would really
8155
81561662
815701:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,870
8158Pump the oxygen
8159into that little fire,
8160you know.
8161
81621663
816301:22:31,920 --> 01:22:36,320
8164<i>Miscavige was brilliant</i>
8165<i>at flaming people's fears,</i>
8166
81671664
816801:22:36,340 --> 01:22:38,460
8169<i>And building up their egos.</i>
8170
81711665
817201:22:40,540 --> 01:22:43,210
8173<i>So you were</i>
8174<i>being audited by marty</i>
8175
81761666
817701:22:43,260 --> 01:22:45,350
8178<i>At the same time</i>
8179<i>he was auditing cruise?</i>
8180
81811667
818201:22:45,380 --> 01:22:47,660
8183Oh, yeah, yeah, i was--
8184yeah, tom cruise.
8185
81861668
818701:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,180
8188Tom would go in,
8189and i would go in,
8190and tom would go in,
8191
81921669
819301:22:50,220 --> 01:22:52,850
8194And i would go in,
8195and so, you know...
8196
81971670
819801:22:52,890 --> 01:22:55,860
8199And i had been audited
8200by the best auditors
8201on the planet.
8202
82031671
820401:22:55,890 --> 01:22:58,140
8205The best auditor,
8206hands down,
8207
82081672
820901:22:58,180 --> 01:23:00,730
8210I mean, like--
8211like kinda michael jordan,
8212
82131673
821401:23:00,780 --> 01:23:03,400
8215Wayne gretsky,
8216kinda auditor is marty.
8217
82181674
821901:23:03,450 --> 01:23:06,030
8220<i></i>
8221
82221675
822301:23:07,070 --> 01:23:09,040
8224<i>They stole him,</i>
8225<i>you know?</i>
8226
82271676
822801:23:09,070 --> 01:23:12,190
8229<i>Tom thinks he's supposed</i>
8230<i>to be david miscavige.</i>
8231
82321677
823301:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,540
8234By 2004, tom cruise
8235was the most gung-ho
8236scientologist in the world,
8237
82381678
823901:23:16,580 --> 01:23:18,750
8240And miscavige wanted
8241to recognize him for it.
8242
82431679
824401:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,530
8245<i>He called it</i>
8246<i>the freedom medal of valor</i>
8247
82481680
824901:23:21,550 --> 01:23:25,090
8250<i>And they put together</i>
8251<i>this 35-minute video.</i>
8252
82531681
825401:23:25,140 --> 01:23:30,010
8255<i>Ias freedom medal</i>
8256<i>of valor winner, tom cruise!</i>
8257
82581682
825901:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,380
8260<i> In it, they just</i>
8261<i>pump up this idea</i>
8262
82631683
826401:23:32,390 --> 01:23:37,060
8265<i>That tom cruise</i>
8266<i>is the ambassador</i>
8267<i>of scientology to the world.</i>
8268
82691684
827001:23:37,100 --> 01:23:39,770
8271<i>He's known as</i>
8272<i>the biggest movie star ever.</i>
8273
82741685
827501:23:39,820 --> 01:23:41,550
8276Tom cruise
8277travels this world,
8278
82791686
828001:23:41,570 --> 01:23:43,720
8281<i>Meeting with ministers,</i>
8282<i>ambassadors,</i>
8283
82841687
828501:23:43,740 --> 01:23:45,320
8286<i>And the american</i>
8287<i>state department,</i>
8288
82891688
829001:23:45,360 --> 01:23:50,360
8291<i>Advancing lrh technology</i>
8292<i>straight into the corridors</i>
8293<i>of power.</i>
8294
82951689
829601:23:50,410 --> 01:23:52,030
8297It's about
8298improving conditions.
8299
83001690
830101:23:52,060 --> 01:23:54,200
8302It allows you to find out
8303for yourself.
8304
83051691
830601:23:54,230 --> 01:23:55,700
8307There's things
8308that we can do to help.
8309
83101692
831101:23:55,750 --> 01:23:57,500
8312They even did
8313a calculation,
8314
83151693
831601:23:57,540 --> 01:23:59,670
8317Where they figured
8318between his films
8319
83201694
832101:23:59,710 --> 01:24:01,740
8322And all the "opinion leaders"
8323that he had met
8324
83251695
832601:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,370
8327And all the travel
8328he had done...
8329
83301696
833101:24:03,410 --> 01:24:06,260
8332<i>Tom cruise has introduced</i>
8333<i>lrh technology</i>
8334
83351697
833601:24:06,300 --> 01:24:09,910
8337To over one billion people
8338of earth.
8339
83401698
834101:24:09,930 --> 01:24:13,220
8342<i> No question,</i>
8343<i>he has been a huge asset</i>
8344<i>to them.</i>
8345
83461699
834701:24:13,270 --> 01:24:15,920
8348<i>Which is why the story</i>
8349<i>of tom cruise,</i>
8350
83511700
835201:24:15,940 --> 01:24:21,060
8353<i>Scientologist,</i>
8354<i>has only just begun.</i>
8355
83561701
835701:24:21,090 --> 01:24:23,090
8358I think it's a privilege
8359to call yourself
8360a scientologist,
8361
83621702
836301:24:23,110 --> 01:24:24,950
8364And it's something
8365that you have to earn.
8366
83671703
836801:24:24,980 --> 01:24:26,900
8369Scientology loves to use
8370this word "end phenomena."
8371
83721704
837301:24:26,930 --> 01:24:29,780
8374Every level
8375has an end phenomena,
8376
83771705
837801:24:29,820 --> 01:24:31,120
8379You know, that you attain,
8380
83811706
838201:24:31,200 --> 01:24:34,150
8383<i>And tom cruise shows that.</i>
8384
83851707
838601:24:34,210 --> 01:24:36,660
8387<i>That video</i>
8388<i>with him in the black</i>
8389<i>turtleneck sweater?</i>
8390
83911708
839201:24:36,710 --> 01:24:38,460
8393A scientologist is someone
8394who can look at the world
8395
83961709
839701:24:38,490 --> 01:24:40,610
8398And really see what it is.
8399
84001710
840101:24:40,630 --> 01:24:43,750
8402Not only
8403look at it and see it,
8404but be able to go,
8405
84061711
840701:24:43,780 --> 01:24:47,000
8408Poof, and be effective,
8409and do something about it.
8410
84111712
841201:24:47,090 --> 01:24:49,920
8413<i>And he's as arrogant</i>
8414<i>and as untouchable</i>
8415
84161713
841701:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,340
8418<i>As could possibly be.</i>
8419
84201714
842101:24:51,390 --> 01:24:54,470
8422At the same time,
8423he looks like an utter
8424crazy paranoiac.
8425
84261715
842701:24:56,630 --> 01:25:01,270
8428And, uh...
8429I know-- you know, she...
8430
84311716
843201:25:01,300 --> 01:25:04,940
8433They, said, "so, like
8434have you met an sp?"
8435
84361717
843701:25:09,310 --> 01:25:12,110
8438And i looked at her,
8439
84401718
844101:25:12,140 --> 01:25:15,080
8442And i thought, "oh,
8443what a beautiful thing,"
8444
84451719
844601:25:15,110 --> 01:25:17,780
8447Because maybe one day,
8448it'll be like that.
8449
84501720
845101:25:17,820 --> 01:25:19,920
8452You know what i'm saying?
8453Maybe one day,
8454
84551721
845601:25:19,950 --> 01:25:22,790
8457It will be that--
8458"wow. Sp's?"
8459
84601722
846101:25:22,820 --> 01:25:24,370
8462Like, they'll just
8463read about those
8464
84651723
846601:25:24,420 --> 01:25:26,320
8467In the history books,
8468you know?
8469
84701724
847101:25:26,340 --> 01:25:28,210
8472That's where it takes you.
8473
84741725
847501:25:28,260 --> 01:25:31,850
8476That's the end phenomena
8477of the scientology bridge.
8478
84791726
848001:25:31,880 --> 01:25:33,960
8481All scientologists
8482are full of shit.
8483
84841727
848501:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,130
8486You know, they lie.
8487"aw, i'm doing great!
8488
84891728
849001:25:36,170 --> 01:25:38,020
8491"you gotta get on seven."
8492
84931729
849401:25:38,050 --> 01:25:40,020
8495You know,
8496and they're fucking--
8497
84981730
849901:25:40,060 --> 01:25:42,440
8500"i've got a fucking migraine
8501right now,
8502
85031731
850401:25:42,470 --> 01:25:45,280
8505"and i've never
8506felt so shitty!"
8507
85081732
850901:25:45,310 --> 01:25:47,680
8510You know,
8511that's the fucking life.
8512
85131733
851401:25:50,030 --> 01:25:53,020
8515There's nothing
8516part of the way for me!
8517
85181734
851901:25:55,190 --> 01:25:56,790
8520It's just-- whoo!
8521
85221735
852301:25:56,820 --> 01:25:58,620
8524<i>He drank the kool-aid.</i>
8525
85261736
852701:25:58,660 --> 01:26:01,120
8528<i>And in the eyes of miscavige,</i>
8529
85301737
853101:26:01,160 --> 01:26:05,710
8532Tom cruise is the perfect
8533scientology celebrity.
8534
85351738
853601:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,580
8537And nobody's benefited more
8538from his membership.
8539
85401739
854101:26:08,630 --> 01:26:11,250
8542I mean, the amount
8543of free sea org labor.
8544
85451740
854601:26:11,300 --> 01:26:14,700
8547<i>Sea org members make</i>
8548<i>40 cents an hour,</i>
8549
85501741
855101:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,510
8552<i>And i don't think</i>
8553<i>there's any way</i>
8554
85551742
855601:26:16,540 --> 01:26:18,310
8557Tom cruise
8558is not aware of that.
8559
85601743
856101:26:18,340 --> 01:26:19,680
8562The church
8563has done so much for him.
8564
85651744
856601:26:19,710 --> 01:26:21,900
8567They tricked out all his cars
8568and his motorcycles.
8569
85701745
857101:26:21,930 --> 01:26:25,350
8572"oh, i want a new limo."
8573"we'll build it for you."
8574
85751746
857601:26:25,380 --> 01:26:28,490
8577<i>Decked out tom cruise's hangar</i>
8578<i>in santa monica.</i>
8579
85801747
858101:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,570
8582<i>Installed all</i>
8583<i>the audiovisual stuff</i>
8584<i>in cruise's home.</i>
8585
85861748
858701:26:32,610 --> 01:26:34,910
8588<i>Tom cruise had expressed</i>
8589<i>this fantasy</i>
8590
85911749
859201:26:34,940 --> 01:26:38,250
8593<i>Of wanting</i>
8594<i>to run through a meadow</i>
8595<i>with nicole kidman.</i>
8596
85971750
859801:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,580
8599<i>And so everybody had to work,</i>
8600<i>and till the soil.</i>
8601
86021751
860301:26:40,620 --> 01:26:42,870
8604And then david miscavige
8605didn't like it,
8606
86071752
860801:26:42,950 --> 01:26:45,440
8609And so the whole thing
8610had to be ripped up again.
8611
86121753
861301:26:45,470 --> 01:26:47,750
8614<i>This was at the gold facility,</i>
8615
86161754
861701:26:47,790 --> 01:26:49,420
8618<i>Which is this desert facility,</i>
8619
86201755
862101:26:49,460 --> 01:26:51,840
8622<i>Where this is all kinds</i>
8623<i>of great stuff,</i>
8624
86251756
862601:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,430
8627<i>If you're tom cruise,</i>
8628<i>you know?</i>
8629
86301757
863101:26:53,550 --> 01:26:55,130
8632<i>Wonderful living quarters</i>
8633<i>and a gym.</i>
8634
86351758
863601:26:55,180 --> 01:26:57,800
8637When cruise comes up,
8638everyone's told in advance,
8639
86401759
864101:26:57,850 --> 01:26:59,750
8642"you better have
8643a fucking smile on your face."
8644
86451760
864601:26:59,770 --> 01:27:01,850
8647<i>Everyone had to</i>
8648<i>call cruise "sir."</i>
8649
86501761
865101:27:01,890 --> 01:27:05,860
8652<i></i>
8653<i></i>
8654
86551762
865601:27:24,710 --> 01:27:27,660
8657Thank you.
8658
86591763
866001:27:27,710 --> 01:27:29,630
8661<i> It's this</i>
8662<i>side-by-side world.</i>
8663
86641764
866501:27:29,670 --> 01:27:31,830
8666<i>There are celebrities</i>
8667<i>like cruise and travolta,</i>
8668
86691765
867001:27:31,880 --> 01:27:33,330
8671<i>And then, you know,</i>
8672<i>there are people</i>
8673
86741766
867501:27:33,390 --> 01:27:36,640
8676<i>Who tell terrible tales</i>
8677<i>of what happened to them</i>
8678<i>in the church--</i>
8679
86801767
868101:27:36,670 --> 01:27:41,170
8682Being imprisoned
8683and really horrible
8684psychological games.
8685
86861768
868701:27:43,460 --> 01:27:45,760
8688<i>Tom was in spain.</i>
8689
86901769
869101:27:45,800 --> 01:27:50,020
8692<i>They were opening up</i>
8693<i>a new scientology church</i>
8694<i>in madrid.</i>
8695
86961770
869701:27:50,070 --> 01:27:52,690
8698<i>And he was overheard</i>
8699<i>to complain</i>
8700
87011771
870201:27:52,740 --> 01:27:54,650
8703That he needed
8704a new girlfriend.
8705
87061772
870701:27:54,690 --> 01:27:58,660
8708<i>Soon after that,</i>
8709<i>a young scientologist</i>
8710<i>premed student</i>
8711
87121773
871301:27:58,690 --> 01:28:01,750
8714<i>Named nazanin boniadi--</i>
8715<i>she was told</i>
8716
87171774
871801:28:01,780 --> 01:28:04,410
8719That she was going to get
8720a special assignment.
8721
87221775
872301:28:04,450 --> 01:28:06,150
8724...Number of transactions
8725increase...
8726
87271776
872801:28:06,170 --> 01:28:09,090
8729<i>Years later, nazanin became</i>
8730<i>a successful tv actress</i>
8731
87321777
873301:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,510
8734<i>And she would</i>
8735<i>have a small part</i>
8736<i>in a paul haggis film.</i>
8737
87381778
873901:28:12,540 --> 01:28:15,430
8740<i>But at the time,</i>
8741<i>she was a dedicated</i>
8742<i>young scientologist</i>
8743
87441779
874501:28:15,460 --> 01:28:17,490
8746<i>Who believed</i>
8747<i>in the church's claims</i>
8748
87491780
875001:28:17,510 --> 01:28:19,460
8751<i>For its humanitarian</i>
8752<i>mission.</i>
8753
87541781
875501:28:19,500 --> 01:28:21,770
8756<i>In fact,</i>
8757<i>she set a monthly record</i>
8758
87591782
876001:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,020
8761<i>For selling books</i>
8762<i>for the church.</i>
8763
87641783
876501:28:25,050 --> 01:28:28,510
8766<i>Nazanin may not</i>
8767<i>speak publicly</i>
8768<i>about her experiences</i>
8769
87701784
877101:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,530
8772<i>Because of an nda</i>
8773<i>the church pressured her</i>
8774<i>to sign,</i>
8775
87761785
877701:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,840
8778<i>But i discovered details</i>
8779<i>from fbi testimony</i>
8780
87811786
878201:28:34,860 --> 01:28:37,110
8783<i>Regarding her ordeal.</i>
8784
87851787
878601:28:37,150 --> 01:28:39,650
8787<i>David miscavige</i>
8788<i>assigned nazanin's case</i>
8789
87901788
879101:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,290
8792<i>To a key church official,</i>
8793<i>greg wilhere.</i>
8794
87951789
879601:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,450
8797<i>He put her through</i>
8798<i>a one-month program</i>
8799
88001790
880101:28:44,490 --> 01:28:49,330
8802<i>Of on-camera interviews,</i>
8803<i>intensive auditing,</i>
8804<i>and security checks.</i>
8805
88061791
880701:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,550
8808She was moved
8809into the celebrity center,
8810
88111792
881201:28:51,580 --> 01:28:55,030
8813<i>Separated from her family,</i>
8814<i>and certain problems</i>
8815<i>were addressed</i>
8816
88171793
881801:28:55,050 --> 01:28:56,630
8819<i>During this period of time.</i>
8820
88211794
882201:28:56,670 --> 01:28:58,970
8823<i>One was,</i>
8824<i>she had a boyfriend.</i>
8825
88261795
882701:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,920
8828<i>She is handed a transcript</i>
8829<i>of his auditing session,</i>
8830
88311796
883201:29:02,980 --> 01:29:05,380
8833<i>In which he admitted</i>
8834<i>that he had an affair.</i>
8835
88361797
883701:29:05,390 --> 01:29:07,430
8838<i>And so she broke up</i>
8839<i>with him.</i>
8840
88411798
884201:29:07,480 --> 01:29:09,760
8843<i>Then wilhere took her</i>
8844<i>to an orthodontist</i>
8845
88461799
884701:29:09,820 --> 01:29:11,010
8848<i>To have her braces removed.</i>
8849
88501800
885101:29:11,050 --> 01:29:13,180
8852<i>At burberry and other stores</i>
8853<i>in beverly hills,</i>
8854
88551801
885601:29:13,220 --> 01:29:16,890
8857<i>He bought her $20,000</i>
8858<i>worth of clothes.</i>
8859
88601802
886101:29:16,910 --> 01:29:19,240
8862<i>At the celebrity centre,</i>
8863<i>a man who worked</i>
8864
88651803
886601:29:19,270 --> 01:29:20,820
8867<i>For cruise's hair stylist</i>
8868
88691804
887001:29:20,860 --> 01:29:23,890
8871<i>Colored nazanin's hair</i>
8872<i>to cruise's liking.</i>
8873
88741805
887501:29:23,910 --> 01:29:25,910
8876<i>Nazanin was told</i>
8877<i>that her makeover</i>
8878
88791806
888001:29:25,950 --> 01:29:28,780
8881<i>Was a part</i>
8882<i>of the church's</i>
8883<i>humanitarian mission.</i>
8884
88851807
888601:29:28,830 --> 01:29:33,240
8887<i>She had to look</i>
8888<i>her best for conferences</i>
8889<i>with world leaders.</i>
8890
88911808
889201:29:35,620 --> 01:29:38,910
8893<i>Only after she was flown</i>
8894<i>first class to new york</i>
8895
88961809
889701:29:38,930 --> 01:29:40,790
8898<i>Did she discover</i>
8899<i>the actual role</i>
8900
89011810
890201:29:40,850 --> 01:29:43,130
8903<i>That the church</i>
8904<i>wanted her to play.</i>
8905
89061811
890701:29:43,180 --> 01:29:47,880
8908<i>She was to be the girlfriend</i>
8909<i>of scientology's biggest star.</i>
8910
89111812
891201:29:49,390 --> 01:29:52,610
8913<i>Within a month,</i>
8914<i>nazanin was living</i>
8915<i>with cruise.</i>
8916
89171813
891801:29:52,640 --> 01:29:54,560
8919<i>While at his house</i>
8920<i>in telluride,</i>
8921
89221814
892301:29:54,590 --> 01:29:56,030
8924<i>Miscavige came to visit.</i>
8925
89261815
892701:29:56,060 --> 01:29:58,200
8928<i>Overcome</i>
8929<i>by a severe headache,</i>
8930
89311816
893201:29:58,230 --> 01:30:01,100
8933<i>Nazanin had a hard time</i>
8934<i>understanding miscavige,</i>
8935
89361817
893701:30:01,130 --> 01:30:02,630
8938<i>Which infuriated him.</i>
8939
89401818
894101:30:02,670 --> 01:30:05,100
8942<i>The next day, cruise,</i>
8943<i>inches from her face,</i>
8944
89451819
894601:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,950
8947<i>Pounded his fist on the table</i>
8948<i>and screamed at her</i>
8949
89501820
895101:30:07,990 --> 01:30:10,240
8952<i>For insulting the head</i>
8953<i>of the church.</i>
8954
89551821
895601:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,610
8957<i>Two weeks later,</i>
8958<i>church henchman tommy davis</i>
8959
89601822
896101:30:12,630 --> 01:30:15,160
8962<i>Delivered</i>
8963<i>the news to nazanin--</i>
8964
89651823
896601:30:15,210 --> 01:30:17,660
8967<i>The relationship with cruise</i>
8968<i>was over.</i>
8969
89701824
897101:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,000
8972And they, according to her,
8973
89741825
897501:30:19,050 --> 01:30:21,220
8976Came to her apartment
8977with her mom
8978
89791826
898001:30:21,250 --> 01:30:24,090
8981And found every photograph
8982of the two of them together,
8983
89841827
898501:30:24,120 --> 01:30:27,060
8986And took them away.
8987Every scrap, every letter,
8988everything,
8989
89901828
899101:30:27,090 --> 01:30:29,840
8992They...
8993As if it never existed.
8994
89951829
899601:30:29,900 --> 01:30:31,850
8997<i>And she was really upset,</i>
8998
89991830
900001:30:31,900 --> 01:30:34,560
9001<i>Because she</i>
9002<i>had been really hurt</i>
9003<i>by the whole thing.</i>
9004
90051831
900601:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,130
9007<i>And she made the mistake</i>
9008<i>of telling her friend,</i>
9009
90101832
901101:30:37,150 --> 01:30:40,490
9012<i>Who immediately went to tell</i>
9013<i>someone in the church.</i>
9014
90151833
901601:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,970
9017<i>She agreed</i>
9018<i>to do punishments,</i>
9019
90201834
902101:30:42,990 --> 01:30:45,190
9022<i>Like cleaning out</i>
9023<i>the public bathrooms</i>
9024
90251835
902601:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,280
9027<i>On her hands and knees</i>
9028<i>with a toothbrush,</i>
9029
90301836
903101:30:48,310 --> 01:30:53,030
9032<i>While other people she knew</i>
9033<i>were stepping over her.</i>
9034
90351837
903601:30:53,090 --> 01:30:55,040
9037She did nothing wrong,
9038other than tell her friend
9039
90401838
904101:30:55,090 --> 01:30:57,590
9042That she was heartbroken,
9043and this is the way
9044she was treated?
9045
90461839
904701:30:57,620 --> 01:30:59,510
9048<i></i>
9049
90501840
905101:30:59,540 --> 01:31:02,490
9052<i>The church claims that</i>
9053<i>miscavige has no involvement</i>
9054
90551841
905601:31:02,510 --> 01:31:04,490
9057<i>In cruise's personal life</i>
9058
90591842
906001:31:04,510 --> 01:31:08,550
9061<i>And that the search</i>
9062<i>for cruise's girlfriend</i>
9063<i>never existed.</i>
9064
90651843
906601:31:11,440 --> 01:31:15,360
9067I wanna tell you something.
9068
90691844
907001:31:15,390 --> 01:31:19,030
9071I have never met
9072a more competent,
9073
90741845
907501:31:19,060 --> 01:31:22,060
9076A more intelligent,
9077a more tolerant,
9078
90791846
908001:31:22,110 --> 01:31:24,350
9081A more compassionate being,
9082
90831847
908401:31:24,370 --> 01:31:29,570
9085Outside of what
9086i've experienced from lrh.
9087
90881848
908901:31:29,620 --> 01:31:32,660
9090And i've met the leaders
9091of leaders.
9092
90931849
909401:31:32,690 --> 01:31:34,740
9095Okay? I've met them all.
9096
90971850
909801:31:34,790 --> 01:31:36,190
9099And so i say to you,
9100sir, cob,
9101
91021851
910301:31:36,210 --> 01:31:39,030
9104We are lucky to have you
9105and thank you very much.
9106
91071852
910801:31:40,370 --> 01:31:42,330
9109<i>While miscavige</i>
9110<i>would do anything</i>
9111
91121853
911301:31:42,380 --> 01:31:44,500
9114<i>For the church's</i>
9115<i>most famous celebrity,</i>
9116
91171854
911801:31:44,550 --> 01:31:46,420
9119<i>Miscavige began</i>
9120<i>to turn against</i>
9121
91221855
912301:31:46,470 --> 01:31:49,420
9124<i>The sea org's</i>
9125<i>highest-ranking executives.</i>
9126
91271856
912801:31:49,470 --> 01:31:53,060
9129<i> He pretty much</i>
9130<i>had international management</i>
9131<i>shut down.</i>
9132
91331857
913401:31:53,100 --> 01:31:55,350
9135He was into
9136this deep paranoia thing
9137
91381858
913901:31:55,380 --> 01:31:56,900
9140About everybody is
9141out to get him.
9142
91431859
914401:31:56,930 --> 01:31:59,930
9145He very definitely
9146
91471860
914801:31:59,990 --> 01:32:02,550
9149Wiped out
9150that organizational pattern
9151
91521861
915301:32:02,570 --> 01:32:04,900
9154In order to be able
9155to have ultimate power.
9156
91571862
915801:32:04,940 --> 01:32:07,190
9159<i>In 2004,</i>
9160
91611863
916201:32:07,230 --> 01:32:10,240
9163<i>Miscavige ordered</i>
9164<i>the top officers</i>
9165<i>of the sea org</i>
9166
91671864
916801:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,530
9169<i>To the scientology's</i>
9170<i>gold base</i>
9171
91721865
917301:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,080
9174<i>In southern california.</i>
9175
91761866
917701:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,170
9178<i>He forced them</i>
9179<i>to live in a pair</i>
9180<i>of double-wide trailers</i>
9181
91821867
918301:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,590
9184<i>That came to be called</i>
9185<i>"the hole."</i>
9186
91871868
918801:32:19,620 --> 01:32:21,590
9189<i>The doors had bars</i>
9190<i>put on them,</i>
9191
91921869
919301:32:21,620 --> 01:32:23,920
9194<i>The windows all had bars</i>
9195<i>put on them,</i>
9196
91971870
919801:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,340
9199<i>And there was</i>
9200<i>one entrance door</i>
9201
92021871
920301:32:26,380 --> 01:32:29,510
9204<i>That a security guard</i>
9205<i>sat at 24 hours a day.</i>
9206
92071872
920801:32:29,550 --> 01:32:31,600
9209<i>They had to stay there,</i>
9210<i>sleep there.</i>
9211
92121873
921301:32:31,630 --> 01:32:35,020
9214<i>It stunk and,</i>
9215<i>you know, there were ants</i>
9216<i>crawling around.</i>
9217
92181874
921901:32:35,050 --> 01:32:37,300
9220You'd sleep about an hour
9221or two hours a night.
9222
92231875
922401:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,640
9225Um, you were
9226in such a mental state
9227
92281876
922901:32:39,690 --> 01:32:42,360
9230That you're very controllable,
9231very suggestible.
9232
92331877
923401:32:42,390 --> 01:32:44,930
9235<i>We were told</i>
9236<i>we needed to come up</i>
9237
92381878
923901:32:44,950 --> 01:32:47,310
9240<i>With what</i>
9241<i>each other's crimes were</i>
9242
92431879
924401:32:47,370 --> 01:32:49,150
9245<i>Against miscavige and hubbard,</i>
9246
92471880
924801:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,150
9249<i>So that we could eventually</i>
9250<i>get out of the hole.</i>
9251
92521881
925301:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,570
9254<i>Scientology is really good</i>
9255
92561882
925701:32:53,610 --> 01:32:55,960
9258At making you think
9259that you are a scoundrel.
9260
92611883
926201:32:55,990 --> 01:32:59,380
9263"confess your crimes!
9264Confess your crimes!
9265What have you done?"
9266
92671884
926801:32:59,410 --> 01:33:00,490
9269<i>Fights would break out.</i>
9270
92711885
927201:33:00,550 --> 01:33:03,330
9273Miscavige would get me
9274all riled up.
9275
92761886
927701:33:03,380 --> 01:33:05,450
9278And i remember one time,
9279mike had done something,
9280
92811887
928201:33:05,470 --> 01:33:07,300
9283<i>Or not done something,</i>
9284<i>i don't remember,</i>
9285
92861888
928701:33:07,340 --> 01:33:09,250
9288<i>And i was supposed to</i>
9289<i>go beat him up.</i>
9290
92911889
929201:33:09,290 --> 01:33:11,500
9293<i>One executive was made</i>
9294<i>to mop up</i>
9295
92961890
929701:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,420
9298<i>The bathroom floor</i>
9299<i>with his tongue.</i>
9300
93011891
930201:33:13,460 --> 01:33:16,290
9303<i>Another was put</i>
9304<i>into a bucket,</i>
9305
93061892
930701:33:16,310 --> 01:33:19,260
9308And pummeled
9309by some of the women,
9310and called a lesbian.
9311
93121893
931301:33:19,300 --> 01:33:22,320
9314<i>There was a very powerful</i>
9315<i>air conditioner,</i>
9316
93171894
931801:33:22,350 --> 01:33:23,800
9319<i>Which blew straight down,</i>
9320
93211895
932201:33:23,820 --> 01:33:25,900
9323<i>It was set</i>
9324<i>on maximum cold,</i>
9325
93261896
932701:33:25,940 --> 01:33:28,070
9328<i>And a guy was</i>
9329<i>made to sit in a chair,</i>
9330
93311897
933201:33:28,110 --> 01:33:29,740
9333<i>And had water</i>
9334<i>poured on his head</i>
9335
93361898
933701:33:29,780 --> 01:33:33,030
9338<i>Until he literally</i>
9339<i>turned blue.</i>
9340
93411899
934201:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,200
9343Miscavige slapped me
9344across the face,
9345
93461900
934701:33:35,250 --> 01:33:36,980
9348Knocked me on the ground,
9349kicked me a couple times.
9350
93511901
935201:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,250
9353Flailing fists,
9354kneeing him in the stomach,
9355
93561902
935701:33:39,280 --> 01:33:40,750
9358Getting him on the floor.
9359
93601903
936101:33:40,790 --> 01:33:45,320
9362And you think,
9363you want to get up
9364and retaliate,
9365
93661904
936701:33:45,340 --> 01:33:48,340
9368But you also think,
9369"i got 75 other people
9370
93711905
937201:33:48,380 --> 01:33:52,680
9373"who are all likely
9374to tackle me if i did"...
9375
93761906
937701:33:52,710 --> 01:33:56,430
9378And then you got
9379the sheer shock of it.
9380
93811907
938201:33:56,470 --> 01:33:58,270
9383Here's the equivalent
9384of the pope
9385
93861908
938701:33:58,300 --> 01:34:00,670
9388Suddenly knocking you
9389on the ground,
9390
93911909
939201:34:00,690 --> 01:34:02,270
9393And you're thinking,
9394
93951910
939601:34:02,310 --> 01:34:06,030
9397"i must have
9398really screwed up."
9399
94001911
940101:34:07,980 --> 01:34:09,950
9402<i> It was</i>
9403<i>a poisonous environment.</i>
9404
94051912
940601:34:09,980 --> 01:34:12,150
9407<i>People were</i>
9408<i>really frightened.</i>
9409
94101913
941101:34:12,200 --> 01:34:14,650
9412<i>And this went on for years.</i>
9413
94141914
941501:34:14,690 --> 01:34:16,820
9416This isn't a couple of days.
9417
94181915
941901:34:16,870 --> 01:34:19,360
9420<i>The nominal president</i>
9421<i>of the church,</i>
9422
94231916
942401:34:19,370 --> 01:34:20,710
9425<i>This man</i>
9426<i>named heber jentszch,</i>
9427
94281917
942901:34:20,740 --> 01:34:22,380
9430<i>He was in there</i>
9431<i>for seven years.</i>
9432
94331918
943401:34:22,410 --> 01:34:23,960
9435<i>What is the statement?</i>
9436
94371919
943801:34:24,000 --> 01:34:25,860
9439<i>"god helps those</i>
9440<i>who help themselves."</i>
9441
94421920
944301:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,410
9444Well, in scientology,
9445we're engaged
9446
94471921
944801:34:27,470 --> 01:34:29,130
9449In helping people
9450help themselves,
9451
94521922
945301:34:29,170 --> 01:34:33,220
9454So they can
9455fully comprehend
9456and understand god.
9457
94581923
945901:34:40,060 --> 01:34:41,900
9460<i>One night,</i>
9461
94621924
946301:34:41,930 --> 01:34:44,810
9464<i>Miscavige comes</i>
9465<i>into the hole with a boom box.</i>
9466
94671925
946801:34:44,850 --> 01:34:48,320
9469<i>He said, "i'm gonna</i>
9470<i>teach you all a lesson.</i>
9471
94721926
947301:34:48,350 --> 01:34:50,850
9474"we're all gonna play
9475musical chairs."
9476
94771927
947801:34:50,890 --> 01:34:52,490
9479And musical chairs
9480is a scientology
9481
94821928
948301:34:52,520 --> 01:34:54,360
9484Administrative term
9485for when you move people
9486
94871929
948801:34:54,390 --> 01:34:57,780
9489From different posts rapidly,
9490and you create instability.
9491
94921930
949301:34:57,830 --> 01:34:59,110
9494They played
9495the damned music.
9496
94971931
949801:35:04,290 --> 01:35:05,740
9499<i> He said,</i>
9500<i>"we're gonna play it</i>
9501
95021932
950301:35:05,750 --> 01:35:07,920
9504<i>To 'bohemian rhapsody'</i>
9505<i>by queen."</i>
9506
95071933
950801:35:07,960 --> 01:35:09,510
9509<i>And he emphasized the line...</i>
9510
95111934
951201:35:11,540 --> 01:35:13,960
9513..."nothing matters anymore."
9514and that's your whole attitude,
9515
95161935
951701:35:14,010 --> 01:35:15,680
9518That's where you live,
9519that's who you are.
9520
95211936
952201:35:15,710 --> 01:35:16,960
9523Playing that music,
9524and stop it,
9525
95261937
952701:35:17,020 --> 01:35:18,550
9528And everyone would
9529have to grab a chair.
9530
95311938
953201:35:18,580 --> 01:35:20,580
9533And there's one person
9534left standing.
9535
95361939
953701:35:28,190 --> 01:35:30,140
9538<i>What miscavige</i>
9539<i>has warned them</i>
9540
95411940
954201:35:30,200 --> 01:35:33,400
9543Is that the last person
9544who remains gets to stay.
9545
95461941
954701:35:33,430 --> 01:35:34,760
9548"everybody else,
9549you're expelled.
9550
95511942
955201:35:34,780 --> 01:35:36,480
9553<i>"you're going to be thrown out</i>
9554<i>of the sea org."</i>
9555
95561943
955701:35:36,540 --> 01:35:41,070
9558These people were fighting
9559to stay in the hole.
9560
95611944
956201:35:41,110 --> 01:35:44,110
9563<i>Throwing people around,</i>
9564<i>scratching, kicking.</i>
9565
95661945
956701:35:44,130 --> 01:35:47,080
9568<i>They're tearing chairs apart,</i>
9569<i>they're ripping clothing.</i>
9570
95711946
957201:35:47,110 --> 01:35:48,380
9573<i>And whatever it took.</i>
9574
95751947
957601:35:54,340 --> 01:35:57,720
9577But then nothing happens.
9578
95791948
958001:36:02,790 --> 01:36:06,060
9581"out of the goodness
9582of my heart, you can stay.
9583
95841949
958501:36:06,100 --> 01:36:08,260
9586"but you better come clean.
9587You better--
9588
95891950
959001:36:08,300 --> 01:36:10,480
9591"i better have some good
9592confessions out of you."
9593
95941951
959501:36:10,520 --> 01:36:14,150
9596I-- i mean, you--
9597you know...
9598
95991952
960001:36:14,190 --> 01:36:17,360
9601As much as they
9602get into everything
9603that you ever think or do,
9604
96051953
960601:36:17,410 --> 01:36:19,910
9607They never got into my think
9608on this score,
9609
96101954
961101:36:19,950 --> 01:36:22,330
9612That i would never
9613go to prison.
9614
96151955
961601:36:22,360 --> 01:36:25,500
9617And so it was inevitable,
9618when i got-- when i--
9619
96201956
962101:36:25,530 --> 01:36:28,080
9622He literally created
9623this prison camp.
9624
96251957
962601:36:28,120 --> 01:36:32,120
9627Um, it was inevitable
9628that i wasn't gonna
9629last there.
9630
96311958
963201:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,380
9633It's embarrassing to have
9634ever been involved with,
9635
96361959
963701:36:40,430 --> 01:36:41,970
9638To think about it.
9639
96401960
964101:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,050
9642"god, i can't even believe
9643i'm talkin' about it."
9644
96451961
964601:36:44,100 --> 01:36:45,640
9647But it was bad.
9648
96491962
965001:36:48,360 --> 01:36:50,710
9651<i>Let's say the fbi</i>
9652<i>showed up at the hole,</i>
9653
96541963
965501:36:50,740 --> 01:36:53,110
9656And said, "this is the fbi.
9657We're lettin' everyone out."
9658
96591964
966001:36:53,140 --> 01:36:55,780
9661Do you think everyone
9662would have said, "oh,
9663thank god, the fbi's here"?
9664
96651965
966601:36:55,810 --> 01:36:58,530
9667No. I think that everybody,
9668one for one,
9669
96701966
967101:36:58,570 --> 01:37:00,650
9672Would have gone,
9673"what do you mean?
9674
96751967
967601:37:00,690 --> 01:37:02,870
9677"we-- we're doing this
9678voluntarily.
9679
96801968
968101:37:02,900 --> 01:37:05,370
9682"we like living
9683in these conditions."
9684
96851969
968601:37:05,410 --> 01:37:06,790
9687Over the past week,
9688
96891970
969001:37:06,830 --> 01:37:08,570
9691We've been reporting on
9692allegations of physical abuse
9693
96941971
969501:37:08,630 --> 01:37:09,990
9696Inside
9697the church of scientology.
9698
96991972
970001:37:10,050 --> 01:37:12,130
9701We spoke with the ex-wives
9702of some of the men
9703
97041973
970501:37:12,160 --> 01:37:13,580
9706Making the claims of abuse.
9707
97081974
970901:37:13,630 --> 01:37:15,300
9710<i>I read all of your affidavits.</i>
9711
97121975
971301:37:15,330 --> 01:37:17,330
9714Obviously, your ex-husbands
9715have made charges
9716
97171976
971801:37:17,370 --> 01:37:18,800
9719Against david miscavige,
9720
97211977
972201:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,550
9723Saying that
9724they have seen repeated acts
9725of physical violence
9726
97271978
972801:37:21,590 --> 01:37:22,840
9729Perpetrated by mr. Miscavige.
9730
97311979
973201:37:22,870 --> 01:37:24,970
9733Is-- is any of that true?
9734
97351980
973601:37:25,010 --> 01:37:27,510
9737No. No.
9738Not one ounce of it.
9739
97401981
974101:37:27,550 --> 01:37:30,180
9742That's not the character
9743of mr. David miscavige.
9744
97451982
974601:37:30,210 --> 01:37:33,520
9747<i> My ex-wife,</i>
9748<i>marty rathbun's ex-wife,</i>
9749
97501983
975101:37:33,550 --> 01:37:37,240
9752<i>Tom de vocht's ex-wife,</i>
9753<i>that were on "anderson cooper,"</i>
9754
97551984
975601:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,570
9757They all came out of the hole!
9758
97591985
976001:37:39,610 --> 01:37:42,160
9761They were all sent there
9762to do that.
9763
97641986
976501:37:42,190 --> 01:37:44,410
9766They went back to the hole!
9767
97681987
976901:37:44,450 --> 01:37:46,200
9770<i>It's just ridiculous.</i>
9771
97721988
977301:37:46,230 --> 01:37:48,700
9774<i>This line</i>
9775<i>that my ex-wife said...</i>
9776
97771989
977801:37:48,730 --> 01:37:51,750
9779I lived with mike rinder
9780for over 35 years.
9781
97821990
978301:37:51,790 --> 01:37:54,040
9784I know every square inch
9785of mike rinder's body.
9786
97871991
978801:37:54,070 --> 01:37:56,870
9789She said it
9790because she was told
9791to say it by miscavige.
9792
97931992
979401:37:56,910 --> 01:38:00,010
9795And the proof of that is,
9796when tom de vocht's ex-wife
9797
97981993
979901:38:00,050 --> 01:38:03,880
9800<i>Then repeated the same thing</i>
9801<i>over again...</i>
9802
98031994
980401:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,930
9805I know every inch of him.
9806
98071995
980801:38:05,970 --> 01:38:07,720
9809<i>You gotta be kidding me!</i>
9810
98111996
981201:38:07,750 --> 01:38:08,850
9813Everything that happens
9814
98151997
981601:38:08,890 --> 01:38:10,720
9817From the church of scientology
9818is scripted.
9819
98201998
982101:38:10,760 --> 01:38:12,770
9822Don't ever turn
9823the other cheek and acquiesce,
9824
98251999
982601:38:12,810 --> 01:38:14,560
9827Hit 'em back.
9828
98292000
983001:38:14,590 --> 01:38:18,780
9831Marty rathbun
9832suddenly went and leapt
9833on top of mike rinder
9834
98352001
983601:38:18,810 --> 01:38:20,560
9837And fought him to the ground
9838
98392002
984001:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,120
9841And started choking him
9842and beating him.
9843
98442003
984501:38:23,150 --> 01:38:25,120
9846And nothing seems
9847to have been done about it.
9848
98492004
985001:38:25,150 --> 01:38:27,040
9851Mr. Miscavige was not
9852at the property at the time.
9853
98542005
985501:38:27,070 --> 01:38:28,540
9856Do you not have telephones?
9857
98582006
985901:38:28,570 --> 01:38:30,070
9860Of course we have telephones.
9861
98622007
986301:38:30,110 --> 01:38:32,410
9864I think
9865you're being quite rude
9866and quite insulting.
9867
98682008
986901:38:32,440 --> 01:38:34,610
9870Here's the bottom line.
9871Here's the bottom line--
9872
98732009
987401:38:34,630 --> 01:38:37,160
9875There is no history
9876of violence in the church.
9877
98782010
987901:38:37,220 --> 01:38:40,080
9880As somebody who ran pr
9881for the church for a long time,
9882
98832011
988401:38:40,120 --> 01:38:43,720
9885Do you have any regret
9886for anything that you did
9887in that capacity?
9888
98892012
989001:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,170
9891Well,
9892i think the biggest regret
9893
98942013
989501:38:46,220 --> 01:38:50,640
9896<i>Is when john sweeney</i>
9897<i>at "panorama" was doing</i>
9898<i>his program,</i>
9899
99002014
990101:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,010
9902<i>It was the culmination</i>
9903<i>of a lot--</i>
9904
99052015
990601:38:53,060 --> 01:38:55,430
9907<i>I mean, i'd been</i>
9908<i>in the hole for a year.</i>
9909
99102016
991101:38:55,470 --> 01:38:58,520
9912<i>And i ended up</i>
9913<i>being sent to england.</i>
9914
99152017
991601:38:58,570 --> 01:39:01,100
9917Hi, mike.
9918<i> He was</i>
9919<i>constantly going,</i>
9920
99212018
992201:39:01,140 --> 01:39:04,610
9923"well, why do you
9924have private investigators
9925following me?"
9926
99272019
992801:39:04,640 --> 01:39:06,740
9929I'm like...
9930That never happened!
9931
99322020
993301:39:06,780 --> 01:39:08,310
9934Ever, ever happened!
9935
99362021
993701:39:08,330 --> 01:39:09,860
9938And of course there were.
9939
99402022
994101:39:09,910 --> 01:39:11,660
9942I was following john sweeney.
9943
99442023
994501:39:11,700 --> 01:39:14,370
9946Oh, there it is.
9947
99482024
994901:39:14,420 --> 01:39:17,340
9950Okay, there we are.
9951
99522025
995301:39:17,370 --> 01:39:19,040
9954<i>He's got his camera,</i>
9955
99562026
995701:39:19,090 --> 01:39:20,840
9958<i>He's standing there</i>
9959<i>and he's saying,</i>
9960
99612027
996201:39:20,880 --> 01:39:24,290
9963<i>"i want a response.</i>
9964<i>I have credible witnesses.</i>
9965
99662028
996701:39:24,330 --> 01:39:28,600
9968"did david miscavige
9969physically assault you?"
9970
99712029
997201:39:28,630 --> 01:39:29,850
9973And i said...
9974
99752030
997601:39:29,880 --> 01:39:34,350
9977Those allegations
9978are absolute, utter rubbish.
9979
99802031
998101:39:34,440 --> 01:39:37,140
9982Absolute, utter rubbish.
9983
99842032
998501:39:37,180 --> 01:39:39,030
9986You have been assaulted
9987by miscavige?
9988
99892033
999001:39:39,060 --> 01:39:41,440
9991Many times, many times.
9992
99932034
999401:39:41,480 --> 01:39:44,480
9995Perhaps more
9996than anybody else.
9997
99982035
999901:39:44,520 --> 01:39:48,700
10000I was now sort of
10001
100022036
1000301:39:48,740 --> 01:39:51,700
10004At the end of my rope.
10005
100062037
1000701:39:53,160 --> 01:39:56,490
10008<i>It was a real moment</i>
10009<i>of clarity for me--</i>
10010
100112038
1001201:39:56,530 --> 01:39:58,860
10013<i>"i don't want</i>
10014<i>to be doing this anymore.</i>
10015
100162039
1001701:39:58,880 --> 01:40:00,910
10018<i>"this is nuts!"</i>
10019
100202040
1002101:40:00,970 --> 01:40:05,640
10022<i>That was actually</i>
10023<i>the last thing that i did</i>
10024<i>before i left.</i>
10025
100262041
1002701:40:15,710 --> 01:40:19,770
10028<i>So i'd been in scientology</i>
10029<i>about two and a half years.</i>
10030
100312042
1003201:40:19,820 --> 01:40:22,020
10033<i>I am kickin' ass.</i>
10034
100352043
1003601:40:22,050 --> 01:40:25,660
10037I felt like i had gotten out
10038of the fuckin' trap.
10039
100402044
1004101:40:25,690 --> 01:40:28,360
10042I didn't have to
10043have a problem.
10044
100452045
1004601:40:28,410 --> 01:40:30,690
10047<i>I said,</i>
10048<i>"i'm done with auditing."</i>
10049
100502046
1005101:40:30,730 --> 01:40:33,660
10052<i>But they insisted</i>
10053<i>on gettin' me back,</i>
10054
100552047
1005601:40:33,700 --> 01:40:36,420
10057<i>And said just,</i>
10058<i>"believe us, believe us,</i>
10059<i>believe us."</i>
10060
100612048
1006201:40:36,450 --> 01:40:39,170
10063I got so fucked up.
10064
100652049
1006601:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,070
10067I mean, they-- they--
10068i went insane.
10069
100702050
1007101:40:42,090 --> 01:40:45,120
10072I was, like,
10073stuck somewhere
10074
100752051
1007601:40:45,180 --> 01:40:47,930
10077In a tiny spot
10078behind my eyeballs,
10079
100802052
1008101:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,800
10082Looking this way.
10083
100842053
1008501:40:50,850 --> 01:40:54,300
10086I mean, i--
10087i'd never experienced
10088anything like it.
10089
100902054
1009101:40:54,350 --> 01:40:57,190
1009210 fuckin' years!
10093
100942055
1009501:40:58,110 --> 01:41:01,690
10096<i>I was worse than the day</i>
10097<i>that i walked in.</i>
10098
100992056
1010001:41:01,730 --> 01:41:04,530
10101It was by design,
10102'cause they needed to--
10103
101042057
1010501:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,530
10106To keep me in there.
10107
101082058
1010901:41:06,560 --> 01:41:08,230
10110So basically, they had to
10111
101122059
1011301:41:08,270 --> 01:41:10,900
10114Put a whole new case on me,
10115so they could run it.
10116
101172060
1011801:41:10,940 --> 01:41:14,450
10119And they just kept tryin'
10120to fuckin' keep me stuck in.
10121
101222061
1012301:41:14,490 --> 01:41:15,940
10124It was crazy!
10125
101262062
1012701:41:15,970 --> 01:41:21,080
10128<i>So i finally said,</i>
10129<i>"i'm going my way.</i>
10130<i>You guys go yours."</i>
10131
101322063
1013301:41:21,110 --> 01:41:24,960
10134I was pissed. I was sad.
10135I was disillusioned.
10136
101372064
1013801:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,220
10139<i>And i thought,</i>
10140<i>"maybe somebody</i>
10141<i>could interview me,</i>
10142
101432065
1014401:41:28,250 --> 01:41:30,950
10145<i>"ask me some questions</i>
10146<i>about scientology."</i>
10147
101482066
1014901:41:30,970 --> 01:41:35,120
10150How i got into scientology,
10151and why i got out.
10152
101532067
1015401:41:35,140 --> 01:41:36,930
10155Post this two-hour thing,
10156
101572068
1015801:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,760
10159And it was the #1 thing
10160on youtube for two days
10161
101622069
1016301:41:39,810 --> 01:41:41,800
10164Before
10165it "mysteriously" disappeared.
10166
101672070
1016801:41:41,820 --> 01:41:43,020
10169The best traps--
10170
101712071
1017201:41:43,070 --> 01:41:45,600
10173You get a guy to just
10174keep himself in jail.
10175
101762072
1017701:41:45,640 --> 01:41:48,770
10178Right? And that's
10179what scientology does.
10180
101812073
1018201:41:48,810 --> 01:41:51,270
10183<i>I started getting</i>
10184<i>all this communication</i>
10185
101862074
1018701:41:51,310 --> 01:41:52,910
10188<i>Because of that video.</i>
10189
101902075
1019101:41:52,940 --> 01:41:55,980
10192You know,
10193"you saved my family."
10194
101952076
1019601:41:56,000 --> 01:41:57,950
10197You know, "you've--
10198i finally had the courage
10199
102002077
1020101:41:57,980 --> 01:42:00,150
10202"to leave
10203after i watched your thing."
10204
102052078
1020601:42:00,170 --> 01:42:04,790
10207You know?
10208I mean, like,
10209there's blood and tears.
10210
102112079
1021201:42:04,840 --> 01:42:06,840
10213And then
10214i started to find out,
10215
102162080
1021701:42:06,870 --> 01:42:09,160
10218You know, all the stuff
10219that was really happening.
10220
102212081
1022201:42:09,180 --> 01:42:11,290
10223You know, i lost money,
10224i got fucked,
10225
102262082
1022701:42:11,330 --> 01:42:14,660
10228But then i found out
10229about the abuse
10230in the sea org.
10231
102322083
1023301:42:14,680 --> 01:42:17,670
10234And i felt like, "fuck me,
10235i gotta do somethin' about it."
10236
102372084
1023801:42:17,690 --> 01:42:20,440
10239<i>And i finally</i>
10240<i>tracked down marty rathbun.</i>
10241
102422085
1024301:42:20,470 --> 01:42:22,170
10244<i>Everybody thought</i>
10245<i>he was dead.</i>
10246
102472086
1024801:42:22,190 --> 01:42:24,640
10249<i>He was in fuckin' mexico.</i>
10250<i>And i went down there,</i>
10251
102522087
1025301:42:24,680 --> 01:42:26,680
10254<i>And i basically</i>
10255<i>convinced him to talk.</i>
10256
102572088
1025801:42:26,690 --> 01:42:28,510
10259<i>And, like,</i>
10260<i>"we gotta do somethin'."</i>
10261
102622089
1026301:42:28,530 --> 01:42:30,150
10264<i>And then he started his blog.</i>
10265
102662090
1026701:42:34,190 --> 01:42:36,120
10268<i> There was</i>
10269<i>a beating every day.</i>
10270
102712091
1027201:42:36,150 --> 01:42:37,450
10273<i>And if it wasn't him doin' it,</i>
10274
102752092
1027601:42:37,490 --> 01:42:41,370
10277It was from him inciting others
10278to do it to others.
10279
102802093
1028101:42:41,410 --> 01:42:43,210
10282I think that it's a cult.
10283
102842094
1028501:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,630
10286I'm doin' my own thing,
10287i want to get on with my life.
10288
102892095
1029001:42:45,660 --> 01:42:47,500
10291I am telling the truth.
10292
102932096
1029401:42:47,530 --> 01:42:49,750
10295<i> Suddenly i heard</i>
10296<i>senior members of the church</i>
10297
102982097
1029901:42:49,800 --> 01:42:51,370
10300<i>Were speaking out,</i>
10301
103022098
1030301:42:51,390 --> 01:42:55,000
10304So i started to look,
10305and i started to read.
10306
103072099
1030801:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,010
10309And then i started
10310to reach out to people.
10311
103122100
1031301:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,180
10314<i>Two of my daughters are gay,</i>
10315<i>and told me</i>
10316
103172101
1031801:43:00,210 --> 01:43:03,560
10319<i>How they'd been treated</i>
10320<i>within the church.</i>
10321<i>I didn't know.</i>
10322
103232102
1032401:43:03,650 --> 01:43:06,400
10325<i>Paul haggis's daughters</i>
10326<i>were openly harassed</i>
10327
103282103
1032901:43:06,480 --> 01:43:08,480
10330<i>By church members</i>
10331<i>for being gay.</i>
10332
103332104
1033401:43:08,520 --> 01:43:10,690
10335<i>Investigating further,</i>
10336<i>haggis discovered</i>
10337
103382105
1033901:43:10,720 --> 01:43:13,820
10340<i>That church doctrine</i>
10341<i>viewed homosexuality</i>
10342<i>as a disease</i>
10343
103442106
1034501:43:13,860 --> 01:43:16,490
10346<i>That only hubbard's teachings</i>
10347<i>could cure.</i>
10348
103492107
1035001:43:16,530 --> 01:43:18,660
10351<i>And a california</i>
10352<i>chapter of scientology</i>
10353
103542108
1035501:43:18,700 --> 01:43:21,830
10356<i>Had supported a ban</i>
10357<i>on gay marriage.</i>
10358
103592109
1036001:43:21,870 --> 01:43:24,030
10361I can't be part
10362of an organization
10363
103642110
1036501:43:24,070 --> 01:43:27,340
10366That doesn't support
10367
103682111
1036901:43:27,370 --> 01:43:29,590
10370Human rights for everyone.
10371
103722112
1037301:43:31,930 --> 01:43:35,260
10374<i>So i sent a letter</i>
10375<i>to 25 friends in the church</i>
10376
103772113
1037801:43:35,300 --> 01:43:37,010
10379<i>That i was resigning.</i>
10380
103812114
1038201:43:37,050 --> 01:43:39,470
10383<i>And i'd hoped</i>
10384<i>they'd read this letter</i>
10385
103862115
1038701:43:39,520 --> 01:43:43,890
10388<i>And be horrified</i>
10389<i>by the things i'd found out.</i>
10390
103912116
1039201:43:47,940 --> 01:43:50,390
10393<i>A few days later,</i>
10394<i>i drive home.</i>
10395
103962117
1039701:43:50,430 --> 01:43:52,650
10398<i>There have to be 10 people</i>
10399<i>standing in my front yard.</i>
10400
104012118
1040201:43:52,700 --> 01:43:55,030
10403<i>I recognize them.</i>
10404<i>They're my friends.</i>
10405
104062119
1040701:43:55,070 --> 01:43:57,930
10408They said, "paul,
10409we need you to tear up
10410this letter.
10411
104122120
1041301:43:57,950 --> 01:44:00,150
10414"and we need you
10415to get all the copies
10416and tear them up,
10417
104182121
1041901:44:00,200 --> 01:44:02,120
10420"and resign quietly."
10421
104222122
1042301:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,240
10424I said, "i don't do that."
10425you know?
10426
104272123
1042801:44:04,280 --> 01:44:05,770
10429"i'm sorry.
10430I don't do that."
10431
104322124
1043301:44:05,790 --> 01:44:08,540
10434<i>I sent a copy</i>
10435<i>to marty rathbun.</i>
10436
104372125
1043801:44:08,580 --> 01:44:11,160
10439<i>He put it on his blog,</i>
10440<i>one page on a day,</i>
10441
104422126
1044301:44:11,220 --> 01:44:14,330
10444<i>And didn't reveal my name</i>
10445<i>until the friday.</i>
10446
104472127
1044801:44:14,390 --> 01:44:16,390
10449<i>Monday morning, i woke up.</i>
10450
104512128
1045201:44:16,420 --> 01:44:20,460
10453600 of the top newspapers
10454of the world had it.
10455
104562129
1045701:44:20,480 --> 01:44:22,640
10458<i>You know,</i>
10459<i>it was in bulgaria.</i>
10460
104612130
1046201:44:22,680 --> 01:44:26,600
10463<i></i>
10464<i>i mean, it was reprinted</i>
10465<i>in seven languages.</i>
10466
104672131
1046801:44:26,630 --> 01:44:29,100
10469I went, "oh my god,
10470what have i done?"
10471
104722132
1047301:44:29,130 --> 01:44:32,570
10474I mean-- it did garner
10475a lot of interest.
10476
104772133
1047801:44:32,600 --> 01:44:34,190
10479People will judge you,
10480one way or the other.
10481
104822134
1048301:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,640
10484I figured
10485people would judge me
10486as really stupid.
10487
104882135
1048901:44:37,660 --> 01:44:39,980
10490But then,
10491i was really stupid.
10492
104932136
1049401:44:39,990 --> 01:44:44,650
10495I was a part of this
10496for 30 years before
10497i spoke out.
10498
104992137
1050001:44:44,680 --> 01:44:48,330
10501<i>I felt deeply ashamed.</i>
10502
105032138
1050401:44:48,370 --> 01:44:52,290
10505<i>Why didn't i do it earlier?</i>
10506<i>Why didn't i look earlier?</i>
10507
105082139
1050901:44:55,210 --> 01:44:58,460
10510<i>People are so indoctrinated,</i>
10511
105122140
1051301:44:58,500 --> 01:45:01,960
10514And have been in scientology
10515a really long, long time.
10516
105172141
1051801:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,970
10519Or they've grown up in it,
10520and they don't know
10521anything else.
10522
105232142
1052401:45:05,000 --> 01:45:09,970
10525It's so scary to them
10526to have to start all over,
10527
105282143
1052901:45:10,010 --> 01:45:12,510
10530And it takes
10531a really strong person
10532
105332144
1053401:45:12,530 --> 01:45:14,690
10535To stand up to them
10536and say no.
10537
105382145
1053901:45:16,360 --> 01:45:18,350
10540<i>In 2009,</i>
10541
105422146
1054301:45:18,370 --> 01:45:22,030
10544<i>My son was on staff</i>
10545<i>at the church.</i>
10546
105472147
1054801:45:22,070 --> 01:45:24,790
10549<i>And "the truth rundown"</i>
10550<i>came out in the</i>
10551<i>"st. Pete times,"</i>
10552
105532148
1055401:45:24,820 --> 01:45:27,360
10555<i>Exposing what was going on</i>
10556
105572149
1055801:45:27,380 --> 01:45:31,380
10559<i>With the beatings,</i>
10560<i>people in the hole.</i>
10561
105622150
1056301:45:31,410 --> 01:45:32,910
10564The church was very mad
10565at my son,
10566
105672151
1056801:45:32,960 --> 01:45:34,750
10569Because he knew
10570it was going to happen,
10571
105722152
1057301:45:34,800 --> 01:45:36,670
10574And he didn't tell them.
10575
105762153
1057701:45:36,700 --> 01:45:39,300
10578And he didn't tell them
10579because he had a good friend
10580
105812154
1058201:45:39,340 --> 01:45:41,640
10583<i>That became friends</i>
10584<i>with mike rinder</i>
10585
105862155
1058701:45:41,670 --> 01:45:43,560
10588<i>And marty rathbun,</i>
10589
105902156
1059101:45:43,590 --> 01:45:46,930
10592<i>And he believed</i>
10593<i>what they were saying</i>
10594<i>in "the truth rundown."</i>
10595
105962157
1059701:45:49,230 --> 01:45:51,350
10598<i>The church was threatening,</i>
10599
106002158
1060101:45:51,380 --> 01:45:54,180
10602<i>That he was gonna get declared</i>
10603<i>a suppressive person</i>
10604
106052159
1060601:45:54,220 --> 01:45:57,600
10607<i>If he didn't disconnect</i>
10608<i>from his friend.</i>
10609
106102160
1061101:45:57,660 --> 01:46:00,190
10612<i>My son, he was raised</i>
10613<i>a scientologist,</i>
10614
106152161
1061601:46:00,220 --> 01:46:02,580
10617<i>You know,</i>
10618<i>and he'd been on staff.</i>
10619
106202162
1062101:46:02,610 --> 01:46:04,440
10622<i>He made 30 bucks a week.</i>
10623
106242163
1062501:46:04,500 --> 01:46:06,280
10626<i>He headed up</i>
10627<i>their boy scout troop.</i>
10628
106292164
1063001:46:06,330 --> 01:46:10,030
10631He was like
10632this consummate youth
10633of scientology.
10634
106352165
1063601:46:10,070 --> 01:46:14,120
10637<i>The continental justice chief</i>
10638<i>called him on the phone.</i>
10639
106402166
1064101:46:14,170 --> 01:46:16,570
10642<i>And it was after that</i>
10643<i>the declare came down,</i>
10644
106452167
1064601:46:16,590 --> 01:46:19,260
10647<i>And he was just devastated.</i>
10648
106492168
1065001:46:19,290 --> 01:46:23,180
10651<i>The church told his friends</i>
10652<i>everything they could find</i>
10653
106542169
1065501:46:23,210 --> 01:46:27,300
10656<i>In his pc folder</i>
10657<i>to ruin his reputation.</i>
10658
106592170
1066001:46:27,350 --> 01:46:30,050
10661<i>I wrote this petition.</i>
10662
106632171
1066401:46:30,090 --> 01:46:34,860
10665<i>I tried to put in everything</i>
10666<i>good that my son had done.</i>
10667
106682172
1066901:46:34,890 --> 01:46:36,440
10670"dear sarah,
10671thank you for the letter
10672
106732173
1067401:46:36,480 --> 01:46:39,560
10675"that you sent
10676regarding the situation
10677with nick lister.
10678
106792174
1068001:46:39,600 --> 01:46:44,600
10681"i cannot approve
10682that you continue
10683your connection with nick."
10684
106852175
1068601:46:44,620 --> 01:46:47,570
10687No one's gonna tell me
10688when i can and can't
10689speak to him.
10690
106912176
1069201:46:47,610 --> 01:46:50,710
10693No one, but me.
10694
106952177
1069601:46:50,740 --> 01:46:53,880
10697"your committee
10698of evidence findings
10699and recommendations
10700
107012178
1070201:46:53,910 --> 01:46:56,710
10703"recommended you
10704be labeled suppressive,
10705
107062179
1070701:46:56,750 --> 01:46:59,500
10708"engaging in malicious
10709rumor mongering
10710
107112180
1071201:46:59,550 --> 01:47:03,140
10713"to destroy the authority
10714or repute of higher officers
10715
107162181
1071701:47:03,170 --> 01:47:06,470
10718"or the leading names
10719of scientology."
10720
107212182
1072201:47:06,510 --> 01:47:08,640
10723My husband
10724was charged with that one,
10725
107262183
1072701:47:08,680 --> 01:47:10,260
10728Because he was telling me
10729
107302184
1073101:47:10,290 --> 01:47:13,300
10732What he read on the internet
10733about david miscavige.
10734
107352185
1073601:47:13,310 --> 01:47:15,680
10737They say,
10738"don't go on the internet,
10739don't read.
10740
107412186
1074201:47:15,730 --> 01:47:17,100
10743"don't go to these sites."
10744
107452187
1074601:47:17,130 --> 01:47:20,640
10747From the time
10748that i got in,
10749
107502188
1075101:47:20,660 --> 01:47:24,360
10752For 30 years, i never read
10753one critical thing
10754about scientology.
10755
107562189
1075701:47:24,410 --> 01:47:27,080
10758<i>When i finally decided</i>
10759<i>to open my eyes and look,</i>
10760
107612190
1076201:47:27,110 --> 01:47:29,360
10763<i>I was shocked,</i>
10764<i>just shocked.</i>
10765
107662191
1076701:47:29,410 --> 01:47:31,480
10768But if you're a member
10769of the church of scientology,
10770
107712192
1077201:47:31,500 --> 01:47:35,330
10773And someone in your family,
10774or a friend, or your spouse,
10775
107762193
1077701:47:35,370 --> 01:47:38,920
10778Is skeptical or critical
10779of the church of scientology,
10780
107812194
1078201:47:38,960 --> 01:47:42,040
10783You are supposed to disconnect
10784yourself from that person...
10785
107862195
1078701:47:42,090 --> 01:47:45,680
10788<i> Tommy davis,</i>
10789<i>who was the spokesperson</i>
10790<i>for the church,</i>
10791
107922196
1079301:47:45,710 --> 01:47:49,720
10794He's being asked about
10795the policy of disconnection.
10796
107972197
1079801:47:49,770 --> 01:47:52,380
10799Anything that's characterized
10800as disconnection
10801
108022198
1080301:47:52,440 --> 01:47:54,550
10804Or this kinda thing,
10805it's just-- it's just not true.
10806
108072199
1080801:47:54,610 --> 01:47:57,140
10809There isn't...
10810<i> I confronted him</i>
10811<i>about this.</i>
10812
108132200
1081401:47:57,170 --> 01:48:00,190
10815And i said,
10816"tommy, i don't need
10817to search outside to ask for--
10818
108192201
1082001:48:00,230 --> 01:48:02,530
10821"to check research
10822and see if other--
10823
108242202
1082501:48:02,560 --> 01:48:04,730
10826"this has happened
10827to other people.
10828This happened to my wife.
10829
108302203
1083101:48:04,780 --> 01:48:07,650
10832"you asked her and me
10833to disconnect from her parents
10834
108352204
1083601:48:07,690 --> 01:48:10,120
10837"because of something trivial
10838they did years ago."
10839
108402205
1084101:48:10,150 --> 01:48:12,120
10842My wife disconnected from me,
10843
108442206
1084501:48:12,160 --> 01:48:15,210
10846My daughter,
10847my son, my brother,
10848
108492207
1085001:48:15,240 --> 01:48:17,210
10851My sister, my mother,
10852
108532208
1085401:48:17,240 --> 01:48:19,040
10855All of my nieces
10856and nephews.
10857
108582209
1085901:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,550
10860And that is the only family
10861that i have.
10862
108632210
1086401:48:21,580 --> 01:48:23,720
10865You know, you label
10866these people suppressive
10867
108682211
1086901:48:23,750 --> 01:48:25,830
10870So that, you know,
10871everybody automatically--
10872
108732212
1087401:48:25,870 --> 01:48:28,170
10875They're discredited,
10876and they must disconnect
10877from them.
10878
108792213
1088001:48:28,210 --> 01:48:30,640
10881And that's how you keep
10882people in a bubble.
10883
108842214
1088501:48:30,680 --> 01:48:33,140
10886And that's what they do.
10887I mean, my son was declared
10888
108892215
1089001:48:33,180 --> 01:48:34,590
10891Because he wouldn't disconnect
10892from his friend.
10893
108942216
1089501:48:34,650 --> 01:48:36,650
10896I was declared,
10897and my husband was declared
10898
108992217
1090001:48:36,680 --> 01:48:38,600
10901Because we wouldn't
10902disconnect from my son.
10903
109042218
1090501:48:38,650 --> 01:48:40,350
10906And now guess what happened?
10907
109082219
1090901:48:40,380 --> 01:48:44,190
10910Everyone connected to us
10911just scatters to the wind.
10912
109132220
1091401:48:44,220 --> 01:48:46,360
10915<i>Through all of this time,</i>
10916
109172221
1091801:48:46,390 --> 01:48:49,660
10919<i>I have a daughter</i>
10920<i>who's very much</i>
10921<i>into the church.</i>
10922
109232222
1092401:48:49,690 --> 01:48:52,730
10925<i>I have a granddaughter</i>
10926
109272223
1092801:48:52,760 --> 01:48:56,200
10929<i>Who's the love of my life,</i>
10930<i>and who loves her nana.</i>
10931
109322224
1093301:48:56,230 --> 01:48:59,070
10934<i>I was planning on talking</i>
10935<i>to my daughter,</i>
10936
109372225
1093801:48:59,100 --> 01:49:02,170
10939<i>And trying to tell her</i>
10940<i>what was really happening.</i>
10941
109422226
1094301:49:02,210 --> 01:49:05,720
10944She hugged me,
10945she told me she loved me.
10946
109472227
1094801:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,810
10949She said, "i have to
10950disconnect from you."
10951
109522228
1095301:49:14,190 --> 01:49:17,320
10954So, um...
10955
109562229
1095701:49:23,160 --> 01:49:26,860
10958I just was concentrating
10959on smelling her hair
10960
109612230
1096201:49:26,900 --> 01:49:29,670
10963And seeing the way she felt,
10964
109652231
1096601:49:29,700 --> 01:49:32,330
10967Touching her skin
10968on my face.
10969
109702232
1097101:49:35,120 --> 01:49:38,010
10972<i>That's the last time</i>
10973<i>i saw them.</i>
10974
109752233
1097601:49:42,680 --> 01:49:44,680
10977<i>It really is the crux</i>
10978
109792234
1098001:49:44,720 --> 01:49:48,800
10981<i>Of how controlling</i>
10982<i>is any religion</i>
10983
109842235
1098501:49:48,850 --> 01:49:51,140
10986<i>Over its adherents,</i>
10987
109882236
1098901:49:51,190 --> 01:49:54,060
10990<i>And scientology</i>
10991<i>has perfected</i>
10992
109932237
1099401:49:54,090 --> 01:49:57,440
10995<i>A lot of</i>
10996<i>techniques of control.</i>
10997
109982238
1099901:49:57,480 --> 01:50:01,100
11000There is
11001no logical explanation
11002
110032239
1100401:50:01,120 --> 01:50:04,730
11005As to why,
11006other than faith.
11007
110082240
1100901:50:04,790 --> 01:50:07,100
11010<i>Your future, your eternity,</i>
11011
110122241
1101301:50:07,120 --> 01:50:10,290
11014<i>All depends on</i>
11015<i>you going up the bridge.</i>
11016
110172242
1101801:50:10,320 --> 01:50:14,330
11019<i>It's scary.</i>
11020<i>It's kinda like</i>
11021<i>christianity with hell.</i>
11022
110232243
1102401:50:14,380 --> 01:50:16,330
11025<i>If they don't have the bridge,</i>
11026<i>they can't go free.</i>
11027
110282244
1102901:50:16,380 --> 01:50:20,280
11030<i>They don't believe</i>
11031<i>they can get it anywhere else.</i>
11032
110332245
1103401:50:20,300 --> 01:50:22,330
11035It's like brainwashing.
11036Really simple.
11037
110382246
1103901:50:22,390 --> 01:50:24,640
11040I mean,
11041that's a scary word,
11042
110432247
1104401:50:24,670 --> 01:50:27,560
11045And it took me a long time
11046
110472248
1104801:50:27,590 --> 01:50:30,640
11049To come to that conclusion,
11050that that's what's occurred.
11051
110522249
1105301:50:30,680 --> 01:50:33,150
11054You take on
11055
110562250
1105701:50:33,180 --> 01:50:36,630
11058A kind of a--
11059a matrix of thought
11060
110612251
1106201:50:36,650 --> 01:50:41,150
11063That is not your own.
11064
110652252
1106601:50:41,190 --> 01:50:44,140
11067I think that's how i
11068and other people got involved
11069
110702253
1107101:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,190
11072And stuck through it
11073for so long.
11074
110752254
1107601:50:46,240 --> 01:50:48,280
11077Because when you're out,
11078you look at it,
11079
110802255
1108101:50:48,310 --> 01:50:51,860
11082And you go,
11083"what the crap
11084was i thinking," you know?
11085
110862256
1108701:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,670
11088It's such a hard thing
11089when you do wake up.
11090
110912257
1109201:50:53,700 --> 01:50:55,580
11093You go, "oh my god."
11094
110952258
1109601:50:55,620 --> 01:50:58,090
11097Because you have this wave
11098of regrets.
11099
111002259
1110101:50:58,120 --> 01:51:02,210
11102<i>I just started to think</i>
11103<i>that maybe my entire life</i>
11104
111052260
1110601:51:02,260 --> 01:51:04,130
11107<i>Has been a lie.</i>
11108
111092261
1111001:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,630
11111<i>You just don't see it</i>
11112<i>happening to you.</i>
11113
111142262
1111501:51:06,660 --> 01:51:09,630
11116<i>You justify so much.</i>
11117
111182263
1111901:51:09,670 --> 01:51:13,500
11120Cults, they prey on people,
11121suggesting that, you know,
11122
111232264
1112401:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,440
11125You should be able
11126to think for yourself
11127
111282265
1112901:51:15,470 --> 01:51:19,220
11130And then tell you exactly
11131how you have to think,
11132or get out.
11133
111342266
1113501:51:19,280 --> 01:51:22,900
11136And if you get out,
11137there will be consequences.
11138
111392267
1114001:51:22,950 --> 01:51:24,650
11141Come on, marty.
11142Got anything to say?
11143
111442268
1114501:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,570
11146What's your name?
11147Why don't you answer
11148his question?
11149
111502269
1115101:51:26,620 --> 01:51:30,320
11152Beat it. I said get off
11153my property, boy.
11154
111552270
1115601:51:30,350 --> 01:51:33,240
11157The real sustained campaign
11158
111592271
1116001:51:33,290 --> 01:51:35,520
11161Began in early 2009
11162
111632272
1116401:51:35,540 --> 01:51:39,240
11165<i>When i spoke to</i>
11166<i>the "st. Petersburg times."</i>
11167
111682273
1116901:51:39,300 --> 01:51:42,460
11170<i>And i'd been hounded</i>
11171<i>and hunted like wild prey.</i>
11172
111732274
1117401:51:42,500 --> 01:51:46,300
11175<i>It's a policy of</i>
11176<i>the office of special affairs</i>
11177
111782275
1117901:51:46,340 --> 01:51:48,220
11180<i>Authored by l. Ron hubbard.</i>
11181
111822276
1118301:51:48,260 --> 01:51:50,260
11184<i>When somebody's speaking out</i>
11185<i>against scientology,</i>
11186
111872277
1118801:51:50,310 --> 01:51:52,870
11189<i>Investigate to find out</i>
11190<i>who the instigator is.</i>
11191
111922278
1119301:51:52,890 --> 01:51:54,590
11194I started getting calls
11195from the church,
11196
111972279
1119801:51:54,650 --> 01:51:59,150
11199And they're-- they're really,
11200uh, comin' after me.
11201
112022280
1120301:51:59,180 --> 01:52:01,150
11204They showed up
11205at my mother's house.
11206
112072281
1120801:52:01,190 --> 01:52:03,070
11209The feeling in the pit
11210of your stomach
11211
112122282
1121301:52:03,100 --> 01:52:05,220
11214Knowing that scientology's
11215chief dirty-tricks pi
11216
112172283
1121801:52:05,240 --> 01:52:07,560
11219Was just
11220on my mother's front step.
11221
112222284
1122301:52:07,580 --> 01:52:10,330
11224<i>They've tried to destroy me,</i>
11225<i>there's no question.</i>
11226
112272285
1122801:52:10,360 --> 01:52:12,610
11229<i>They create</i>
11230<i>anonymous websites about me,</i>
11231
112322286
1123301:52:12,660 --> 01:52:15,160
11234<i>And smear me</i>
11235<i>with a lot of garbage.</i>
11236
112372287
1123801:52:15,200 --> 01:52:17,580
11239Www.Whoistomdevocht.Com.
11240
112412288
1124201:52:17,620 --> 01:52:19,400
11243<i>Whoispaulhaggis.Com.</i>
11244
112452289
1124601:52:19,420 --> 01:52:21,790
11247"paul haggis,
11248the hypocrite of hollywood."
11249
112502290
1125101:52:21,840 --> 01:52:25,510
11252"this guy is a sex pervert,"
11253or "this guy's a drug dealer."
11254
112552291
1125601:52:25,540 --> 01:52:27,260
11257<i>In the meantime,</i>
11258
112592292
1126001:52:27,290 --> 01:52:31,300
11261<i>Survey carefully</i>
11262<i>to find out what</i>
11263<i>he most values and protects.</i>
11264
112652293
1126601:52:31,350 --> 01:52:33,520
11267<i>Immediately draw up</i>
11268<i>a three-prong program</i>
11269
112702294
1127101:52:33,550 --> 01:52:36,250
11272<i>To threaten it effectively.</i>
11273
112742295
1127501:52:36,270 --> 01:52:40,610
11276I don't value anything
11277more than monique.
11278
112792296
1128001:52:40,640 --> 01:52:44,610
11281<i>That's why this campaign</i>
11282<i>ended up on our doorstep.</i>
11283
112842297
1128501:52:44,650 --> 01:52:46,450
11286Was she there?
11287
112882298
1128901:52:46,480 --> 01:52:50,450
11290<i>I knew they had</i>
11291<i>their goons around.</i>
11292
112932299
1129401:52:50,480 --> 01:52:55,540
11295<i>And then the guy</i>
11296<i>rolls down in window</i>
11297<i>and i saw the truck.</i>
11298
112992300
1130001:52:55,570 --> 01:52:57,910
11301And he starts filming,
11302and i go,
11303
113042301
1130501:52:57,940 --> 01:53:00,110
11306"okay, this is not good."
11307
113082302
1130901:53:00,130 --> 01:53:01,610
11310What's goin' on?
11311
113122303
1131301:53:01,630 --> 01:53:03,500
11314Oh, we're just doing
11315a documentary.
11316
113172304
1131801:53:03,550 --> 01:53:04,750
11319A documentary?
11320
113212305
1132201:53:04,780 --> 01:53:07,000
11323Oh, a former
11324scientology deal.
11325
113262306
1132701:53:07,050 --> 01:53:09,170
11328But it would
11329probably be a good idea
11330if y'all went ahead--
11331
113322307
1133301:53:09,220 --> 01:53:10,720
11334Now that you've gotten
11335what you need,
11336
113372308
1133801:53:10,750 --> 01:53:12,300
11339Go ahead and leave the area.
11340Sure.
11341
113422309
1134301:53:12,340 --> 01:53:14,060
11344Okay?
11345
113462310
1134701:53:14,090 --> 01:53:15,290
11348<i>I don't know</i>
11349<i>who these people are.</i>
11350
113512311
1135201:53:15,310 --> 01:53:17,290
11353<i>I don't know</i>
11354<i>what they're capable of.</i>
11355
113562312
1135701:53:17,310 --> 01:53:20,630
11358And now that i have my son...
11359
113602313
1136101:53:20,650 --> 01:53:24,850
11362<i>I have</i>
11363<i>a little louisville slugger</i>
11364<i>i keep next to me.</i>
11365
113662314
1136701:53:24,900 --> 01:53:29,270
11368<i>It's been a nonstop onslaught,</i>
11369<i>for five years.</i>
11370
113712315
1137201:53:29,320 --> 01:53:30,770
11373I told you to leave.
11374Get out of here.
11375
113762316
1137701:53:30,810 --> 01:53:32,320
11378Oh no, i'm leaving.
11379
113802317
1138101:53:32,360 --> 01:53:33,780
11382You can't even
11383defend yourself
11384on this can you?
11385
113862318
1138701:53:33,810 --> 01:53:35,310
11388What's your name?
11389
113902319
1139101:53:35,330 --> 01:53:36,780
11392I gave you my name, marty.
11393What's your name?
11394
113952320
1139601:53:36,830 --> 01:53:38,500
11397Marty, i gave you my name.
11398
113992321
1140001:53:38,530 --> 01:53:41,620
11401<i>The people on marty's doorstep</i>
11402<i>were sent by scientology</i>
11403
114042322
1140501:53:41,650 --> 01:53:44,150
11406<i>Because the church</i>
11407<i>had branded marty a "squirrel,"</i>
11408
114092323
1141001:53:44,170 --> 01:53:46,670
11411<i>A term invented by hubbard</i>
11412<i>for former members</i>
11413
114142324
1141501:53:46,710 --> 01:53:48,490
11416<i>Who threatened</i>
11417<i>church teachings.</i>
11418
114192325
1142001:53:48,510 --> 01:53:50,160
11421David miscavige had you
11422come all the way from...
11423
114242326
1142501:53:50,180 --> 01:53:51,460
11426Marty.
11427...San jose.
11428
114292327
1143001:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,300
11431Marty!
11432Man #2: You can't do that.
11433
114342328
1143501:53:54,330 --> 01:53:55,710
11436You can't do that, marty!
11437I just did it.
11438
114392329
1144001:53:55,770 --> 01:53:56,830
11441No, that's my
11442personal property, marty.
11443
114442330
1144501:53:56,850 --> 01:53:58,680
11446Yeah, that's right.
11447
114482331
1144901:53:58,720 --> 01:54:00,520
11450I got arrested, man.
11451
114522332
1145301:54:00,550 --> 01:54:03,360
11454I got arrested for grabbing
11455this guy's glasses.
11456
114572333
1145801:54:03,390 --> 01:54:05,170
11459I said, "don't look at her."
11460you understand that?
11461
114622334
1146301:54:05,190 --> 01:54:07,230
11464Yeah.
11465I heard her.
11466
114672335
1146801:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,730
11469<i>Of course, the guy had been</i>
11470<i>stalking monique for two years.</i>
11471
114722336
1147301:54:09,780 --> 01:54:11,980
11474<i>He looks</i>
11475<i>like a leering pervert,</i>
11476
114772337
1147801:54:12,020 --> 01:54:14,650
11479<i>Like norman bates</i>
11480<i>from "psycho."</i>
11481
114822338
1148301:54:14,690 --> 01:54:17,450
11484<i>I didn't break his glasses.</i>
11485
114862339
1148701:54:17,490 --> 01:54:21,290
11488I just removed them
11489from his-- from his face.
11490
114912340
1149201:54:25,380 --> 01:54:29,130
11493<i>They got it all on videotape</i>
11494<i>from their surveillance house</i>
11495
114962341
1149701:54:29,170 --> 01:54:32,050
11498<i>That was filming 24/7, 365,</i>
11499
115002342
1150101:54:32,090 --> 01:54:34,840
11502<i>For five years,</i>
11503<i>across the street from us.</i>
11504
115052343
1150601:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,440
11507<i>This lawsuit</i>
11508<i>with monique rathbun--</i>
11509
115102344
1151101:54:42,480 --> 01:54:44,810
11512<i>It's a brilliant</i>
11513<i>legal strategy.</i>
11514
115152345
1151601:54:44,850 --> 01:54:46,880
11517If marty sues,
11518the church just says,
11519
115202346
1152101:54:46,900 --> 01:54:48,270
11522"this is
11523a first amendment fight.
11524
115252347
1152601:54:48,320 --> 01:54:49,740
11527"this should not be
11528in a court of law."
11529
115302348
1153101:54:49,770 --> 01:54:51,320
11532But monique
11533was never in scientology.
11534
115352349
1153601:54:51,360 --> 01:54:56,110
11537<i>She's suing david miscavige</i>
11538<i>and asking to depose him.</i>
11539
115402350
1154101:54:56,160 --> 01:54:59,330
11542<i>And scientology</i>
11543<i>will do anything to keep him</i>
11544<i>out of that situation.</i>
11545
115462351
1154701:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,080
11548And the point is, judge,
11549
115502352
1155101:55:01,120 --> 01:55:03,280
11552If you let me
11553make my presentation,
11554
115552353
1155601:55:03,330 --> 01:55:05,170
11557On first amendment law
11558
115592354
1156001:55:05,200 --> 01:55:07,740
11561That comes from
11562the united states
11563supreme court...
11564
115652355
1156601:55:07,760 --> 01:55:09,540
11567<i>For every court date,</i>
11568
115692356
1157001:55:09,570 --> 01:55:12,370
11571<i>The church hires a bevy</i>
11572<i>of high-priced lawyers.</i>
11573
115742357
1157501:55:12,410 --> 01:55:15,380
11576<i>They are determined</i>
11577<i>to use every legal trick</i>
11578<i>in the book</i>
11579
115802358
1158101:55:15,410 --> 01:55:17,630
11582<i>To keep miscavige</i>
11583<i>from having to testify</i>
11584
115852359
1158601:55:17,680 --> 01:55:21,300
11587<i>About church abuses</i>
11588<i>or whether the religion</i>
11589<i>of scientology</i>
11590
115912360
1159201:55:21,350 --> 01:55:23,550
11593<i>Is actually operated</i>
11594<i>like a business,</i>
11595
115962361
1159701:55:23,590 --> 01:55:27,470
11598<i>Controlled by the whims</i>
11599<i>of a single individual.</i>
11600
116012362
1160201:55:29,390 --> 01:55:32,280
11603<i>In 2014,</i>
11604<i>miscavige celebrated</i>
11605
116062363
1160701:55:32,310 --> 01:55:34,450
11608<i>The ongoing expansion</i>
11609<i>of the church,</i>
11610
116112364
1161201:55:34,480 --> 01:55:36,700
11613<i>But he was hiding</i>
11614<i>a terrible secret.</i>
11615
116162365
1161701:55:36,730 --> 01:55:38,270
11618Good evening!
11619
116202366
1162101:55:38,290 --> 01:55:40,320
11622<i> The church's</i>
11623<i>active membership</i>
11624<i>has dropped</i>
11625
116262367
1162701:55:40,370 --> 01:55:42,070
11628<i>To fewer</i>
11629<i>than 50,000 people,</i>
11630
116312368
1163201:55:42,110 --> 01:55:46,270
11633<i>Yet the financial value</i>
11634<i>of scientology is soaring.</i>
11635
116362369
1163701:55:46,290 --> 01:55:48,130
11638How about we just say,
11639
116402370
1164101:55:48,160 --> 01:55:53,170
116422013 is the year
11643we went stratospheric?
11644
116452371
1164601:55:56,120 --> 01:55:58,170
11647<i>The church</i>
11648<i>is making investments</i>
11649
116502372
1165101:55:58,220 --> 01:56:00,170
11652<i>And buying</i>
11653<i>valuable real estate</i>
11654<i>all over the world.</i>
11655
116562373
1165701:56:00,220 --> 01:56:04,140
11658<i>That financial clout</i>
11659<i>gives scientology</i>
11660<i>enormous power.</i>
11661
116622374
1166301:56:04,180 --> 01:56:06,460
11664<i>It's a kind of</i>
11665<i>tax-free shell company</i>
11666
116672375
1166801:56:06,480 --> 01:56:11,350
11669<i>Growing past $3 billion</i>
11670<i>in assets.</i>
11671
116722376
1167301:56:18,480 --> 01:56:21,810
11674The church now
11675no longer has a public face.
11676
116772377
1167801:56:21,830 --> 01:56:24,110
11679<i>There's no spokespeople,</i>
11680
116812378
1168201:56:24,150 --> 01:56:26,280
11683<i>They don't do</i>
11684<i>media interviews,</i>
11685
116862379
1168701:56:26,320 --> 01:56:29,030
11688<i>And that suits miscavige.</i>
11689
116902380
1169101:56:29,090 --> 01:56:31,290
11692There is nobody
11693that he is willing
11694
116952381
1169601:56:31,320 --> 01:56:34,160
11697To have be
11698the face of scientology
11699other than himself,
11700
117012382
1170201:56:34,170 --> 01:56:37,680
11703But he's afraid to
11704be interviewed by anybody
11705
117062383
1170701:56:37,710 --> 01:56:40,380
11708For fear that they're
11709gonna ask him questions
11710
117112384
1171201:56:40,430 --> 01:56:42,800
11713That he can't answer,
11714or doesn't want to answer.
11715
117162385
1171701:56:44,670 --> 01:56:47,220
11718<i>Where are the checks</i>
11719<i>and balances on his power?</i>
11720
117212386
1172201:56:47,270 --> 01:56:48,550
11723<i>There is none.</i>
11724
117252387
1172601:56:48,610 --> 01:56:50,340
11727So there are two things
11728that could happen.
11729
117302388
1173101:56:50,360 --> 01:56:54,390
11732One is, the irs
11733would reconsider
11734its tax exemption.
11735
117362389
1173701:56:54,450 --> 01:56:58,730
11738<i>The only other thing</i>
11739<i>is that some of these</i>
11740<i>celebrity megaphones</i>
11741
117422390
1174301:56:58,780 --> 01:57:00,980
11744<i>Could turn</i>
11745<i>against the church.</i>
11746
117472391
1174801:57:01,020 --> 01:57:04,320
11749<i>And tom cruise</i>
11750<i>should be leading</i>
11751<i>that chorus.</i>
11752
117532392
1175401:57:08,290 --> 01:57:11,290
11755<i>Is there anything</i>
11756<i>that you look back on,</i>
11757
117582393
1175901:57:11,330 --> 01:57:13,700
11760<i>In terms of your own career</i>
11761<i>in the church,</i>
11762
117632394
1176401:57:13,710 --> 01:57:16,530
11765<i>And think, "wow,</i>
11766<i>i wish i hadn't done that?"</i>
11767
117682395
1176901:57:16,550 --> 01:57:19,720
11770You know, we talked
11771about karma earlier.
11772
117732396
1177401:57:19,750 --> 01:57:24,340
11775And, you know,
11776it still happens that
11777it's like it's just this--
11778
117792397
1178001:57:24,370 --> 01:57:28,380
11781I constantly get presented
11782with who i was,
11783
117842398
1178501:57:28,400 --> 01:57:31,100
11786And, you know,
11787and i constantly
11788don't like what i see,
11789
117902399
1179101:57:31,150 --> 01:57:33,680
11792And i sort of constantly
11793keep dying deaths.
11794
117952400
1179601:57:33,720 --> 01:57:35,600
11797Um, and--
11798
117992401
1180001:57:37,550 --> 01:57:39,720
11801I don't know how many
11802more deaths i have left,
11803
118042402
1180501:57:39,740 --> 01:57:42,560
11806But i-- but i--
11807
118082403
1180901:57:42,580 --> 01:57:45,490
11810But i regret
11811
118122404
1181301:57:45,530 --> 01:57:48,910
11814And i'm ashamed of, uh...
11815
118162405
1181701:57:50,330 --> 01:57:53,200
11818The entire experience,
11819you know?
11820
118212406
1182201:57:53,240 --> 01:57:55,420
11823What i take away from it
11824is that we--
11825
118262407
1182701:57:55,460 --> 01:57:58,370
11828We lock up a portion
11829of our own mind.
11830
118312408
1183201:57:58,410 --> 01:58:02,680
11833We-- we willingly
11834put cuffs on.
11835
118362409
1183701:58:02,710 --> 01:58:06,260
11838We willingly avoid things
11839
118402410
1184101:58:06,300 --> 01:58:09,270
11842That will--
11843could cause us pain,
11844
118452411
1184601:58:09,300 --> 01:58:12,050
11847If we just--
11848if we looked.
11849
118502412
1185101:58:12,110 --> 01:58:14,470
11852If we can just
11853believe something,
11854
118552413
1185601:58:14,530 --> 01:58:17,110
11857Then we don't have to really
11858think for ourselves, do we?
11859
118602414
1186101:58:17,140 --> 01:58:20,600
11862And so i can't
11863damn these people
11864who aren't coming out,
11865
118662415
1186701:58:20,610 --> 01:58:24,780
11868Or who are hiding
11869once they come out
11870because they're ashamed.
11871
118722416
1187301:58:24,820 --> 01:58:26,790
11874You know, i--
11875
118762417
1187701:58:26,820 --> 01:58:29,740
11878I-- i feel the same shame.
11879
118802418
1188101:58:29,770 --> 01:58:33,160
11882And i just--
11883i'm fighting back
11884
118852419
1188601:58:33,210 --> 01:58:37,580
11887By communicating, you know?
11888It's a peaceful protest.
11889
118902420
1189101:58:37,610 --> 01:58:41,500
11892I want the truth to be known,
11893
118942421
1189501:58:41,550 --> 01:58:43,500
11896And...
11897
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1189901:58:45,340 --> 01:58:46,760
11900Thank you.
11901
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1190301:58:46,790 --> 01:58:48,490
11904You're welcome.