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1 Re: "so should i staple my ball sack to my leg or what?" I'
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3 Re: "so should i staple my ball sack to my leg or what?" I'm guessing the context for this was… asking about a bicycle seat?
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5 Person 1: "This bicycle seat is horizontal, and I lack the tools necessary to adjust the angle."  Person 2: "Well, you might as well go ahead and affix your ball sack to your leg… preferably not with staples."
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7 O00000016a: as a courier, do you wear all-skin-tight (spandex, etc.), or did you go with the all-baggy aesthetic?
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9 I used to do long-distance cycling with military-style trousers: baggy, with pockets on the sides of the legs.
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11 It is very easy for me to imagine the need for "cargo shorts over it to hold all the stuff i need".
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13 Still… it wouldn't look as cool as
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15 .bis killarmy first album cover
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17 Re: "i would wear baggy military pants, but it would get caught in my chain ring".  Yeah, you get a loop (with a clasp, basically, like a tiny belt) to put around the baggy paints at the strategic point.
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19 BTW, that .bis attempt went far wrong. What I was thinking of (of course) was this: http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/00/f4/0fd3619009a06aa538526110.L.jpg\
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21 http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/00/f4/0fd3619009a06aa538526110.L.jpg
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23 O00000016a: https://youtu.be/_1nFgkmAtCI?t=7m26s
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25 "Killarmy" was part of the neoclassical Wu-Tang sound, i.e., not the absolute earliest period.  They were a big part of both "The Swarm" projects, as I recall.
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27 O00000016a: I assume you already know about "the gravediggaz" project (several albums, again Wu-Tang spin-off). DJ-Vlad mentioned them recently, in discussions of fiction-in-hip-hop (as opposed to alleged realness).
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29 It never snows in Vic city. Not really.
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31 .bis snow butchart gardens
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33 No. Not a single snowflake this year.
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35 Vic. city has a surreal climate, in many way.
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37 No, geographically, this is an extremely sheltered harbor…
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39 …the ocean is calmer than a lake here…
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41 …and that's why native people lived here, etc.
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43 (Their village was centered on what's now the lawn of the parliament building, downtown.)
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45 https://youtu.be/CrLB19DH7yI?t=1m21s
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47 This is a longstanding source of political tension in Canada, test12
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49 Teaching of "standard" (European) French, vs. Quebec French…
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51 …and, within Quebec, the language-status of First Nations people (most of whom opt for English over French)…
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53 …and then the Catholics hate the Protestants and vice-versa, etc. etc.
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55 It's just a political decision. It is what it is. Meanwhile, most of the indigenous languages face extinction, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policies_of_Canada's_provinces_and_territories#History_.28before_1982.29
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57 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTGwzVmSJU
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59 justin_timeforcake: I think you're confusing several different categories (that are, legitimately, confusing).
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61 Language education policy is different in each province.  It's part of provincial law, not Federal law.
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63 Provinces like Ontario, etc., all use European-standard French in classrooms, etc.; I'm sure a few school boards in Nova Scotia, etc., have set up their own standards for acadienne French , with involvement from the province, etc.
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65 Anglophones who grow up within Quebec are another story, etc. etc.
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67 Currently, education on First Nations reserves within Quebec = handled by the federal government (not the provinces) creating yet another peculiar set of paradoxes.
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69 test12: "quebecois isn't considered an inferior language to stnadard french there" … uh… this isn't a perfect world. People in "the real France" do openly laugh and sneer at Q. dialect french, and treat it with real derision and contempt.
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71 justin_timeforcake: Canada also makes life complicated by having multiple, overlapping "school boards" within every area… so I assume there's one school-board in Cape Breton that takes this approach, not others, etc. etc.
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73 Yep.
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75 Acadian nationalism is a real thing.  Like most forms of nationalism, it becomes pursued as an end-in-itself, and as a virtue-in-itself, for those who believe in it. Not to be confused with Akkadian Empire
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77 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadians
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79 Quote, "They deported approximately 11,500 Acadians from the maritime region. Approximately one-third perished from disease and drowning.[10] Although one historian compared this event to contemporary ethnic cleansing, other historians suggested that the event is comparable with other deportations in history."  Once again, "Not to be confused with 
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81 Akkadian Empire"
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83 justin_timeforcake: I agree, it always gets a bit absurd when you have contrasting claim between colonizing populations of this kind (a short of phony indigenism), tending to disregard ACTUAL indigenous people, etc..
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85 Quote, "The Acadians lived for almost 80 years in Acadia, prior to the British Siege of Port Royal in 1710. After the Conquest, they lived under British rule for the next forty-five years. During the French and Indian War (the North American theatre of the Seven Years' War), British colonial officers suspected they were aiding the French. The Briti
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87 sh, together with New England legislators and militia, carried out the Great Expulsion of 1755–1764 during and after the war years."
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89 BTW, justin_timeforcake, remember how the train (Vic. to Nanaimo) was supposed to been re-opened last year?  What happened to that?
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91 Still no train?
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93 Oh, you're brand new. justin_timeforcake
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95 "Service is indefinitely suspended pending repairs of the track – service had been projected to resume in 2015, however as of April 2015 repairs to the track had not commenced."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria%E2%80%93Courtenay_train
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97 Googled around.  What a joke: "Southern Railway of Vancouver Island (SVI) expects passenger train service to return to the Island by the end of next year or early 2017." :-/
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99 So, again, I'm supposed to infer that mloy is male (not female) from this banter, apparently.
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101 Can't believe they made a major motion picture out of material this obscure (wasn't well known even in the 1980s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRih_VtVAs
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103 I wouldn't say I'm a fan, it's just a significant portion of life-on-earth. morchella
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105 This time you had "omnioquotes", not omniquotes, zeroes
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107 vucket, omniquotes
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109 .wouldyou
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113 Pff.
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117 https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/584343.jpg
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119 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGth_VxbuDg
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121 Yet more news from Canada in that video… although the reporting is so vaguely worded that I can't tell what they're claiming has actually happened (legally/politically)…
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123 No, it's a creed…
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125 a creed is not a right.
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127 But the video, above, is talking about this:
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129 http://www.animaljustice.ca/blog/parliament-is-already-taking-action-to-save-animals/
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131 The story was about some new proposed bills (federally) in Canada… I'd say there's a zero percent chance to pass the "Ending the Captivity of Whales and Dolphins Act"…
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133 …not really sure how you square any of this stuff as "federal" (vs. provincial), among other questions.
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135 The whale-advocates I know here in B.C. all have to confess that the situation for preservation is so dire that they do need some (more-than-zero) capacity to keep whales in captivity.
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137 O00000016a: they're both good… I think most critics felt the second one was better than the  first. I can't remember having an opinion one way or the other.
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139 O00000016a: https://youtu.be/zY6A_6atuhI
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141 Bunch of Czarface tracks (legit) free-for-download on this mixtape, zeroes: http://www.datpiff.com/Ghostface-Killah-Dj-Phyre-Govahment-Promotions-Presents-The-Wu-Ge-mixtape.467173.html
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143 vucket, remember a-bas-le-ciel trivial witticism
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145 vucket, remember a-bas-le-ciel inconsequential wordplay
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147 Sam, it's time to come clean: Blood Wiper is a bot, isn't he?
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149 He's a bot who has developed an ego, and yet no sense of direction, purpose or motivation in life.
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151 And yet somehow I have managed to prevent myself from rapping on youtube, O00000016a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6mhVuelqo
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153 zhaey: are you ready to SELL OUT? https://www.hays.co.jp/en/jobs/index.htm
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155 O00000016a: you definitely could create a youtube channel talking about kicking drugs. You'd get viewers.
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157 Oddly, I was just reminded yesterday of the extent to which I've influenced people (who know me) to quit drugs…
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159 …sort of a field-of-gravity effect, as I don't really preach to them (etc.).
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161 O00000016a: Cheetah doesn't actually say that much about the process of quitting itself…
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163 Send him an e-mail or whatever.
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165 None of these people are hard to find.
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167 Ah, interesting.
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169 I met a guy in the golden triangle (the INFAMOUS golden triangle) who went there, as a tourist, to try to quit his drug habit (he was australian). I think cocaine (rather than heroin) was his main thing.
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171 I loved that aspect of CandidMommy's story, BTW: she didn't notice her husband's weight-loss (due to drug addiction) because he was on P90X at the time.  Tragi-comic.
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173 Yeah, he was an Australian guy who worked construction. I think he did quit successfully, i.e., short-term. Long-term you get into the "meaning of life" questions. Short-term is just overcoming the chemical compulsion/depednency; but long-term you need some set of positive motivations for what you actually ARE doing (not just what you're avoiding).
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175 You thinking about going back to school, zeroes? I don't know your age, BTW.
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177 Cheetah, also, doesn't talk about that much, be he's back in school.
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179 If you want to live in Canada, I'd say that's the way to go.
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181 One of the few options for making an arts-major employable within Canada.
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183 I knew a guy here in visual arts who was asking me about moving to Taiwan and/or Korea to get involved with illustration, animation, and art-for-video-games, etc.
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185 The reality is: all of that stuff is minimum wage or less…
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187 …TONS of talented people, willing to work for next-to-nothing.
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189 vegan_eggbeaters: for the first time, you admit that you listen to hip-hop, too! We're gonna get along just fine, doc.
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191 Ordering ANY vegan t-shirt in Canada is massively over-priced.
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193 Cam
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195 Can't you order a standard sports-jersey from mainstream companies, and just get the team-name stated as "Vegan"? Probably a good work-around, no?
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197 Can you remember the "silent disco" trend, O00000016a? Where people would show up at a party/club, and dance with headphones on?
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199 Yeah, I just did the world's least subtle video on that theme, BTW, morchella https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5S1dGEC_-U
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201 (I remember the name Kid Koala from 100 years ago.)
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203 Hey, I've lived in two different Communist countries (present tense) and at least one ex-Communist country. The long shadow of Communism is still a big part of my life today, hm, Vucket?
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205 Just so, vucket, old chap.
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207 Strange to see quotation marks added around the word "is".
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209 WTF? I just ordered $169 worth of clothes, and it says I'm gonna pay $50 in "Estimated Duty & Related Tax". ??????
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211 The exchange rate (CDN vs. USD) currently entails that even clothing that's 50% off seems "overpriced" (ordering on the internet).
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213 Man.  I really don't want to cancel the order: I need shoes that can endure a 6 km walk (on concrete).
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215 .yt Public Enemy - Can't Truss It
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217 No, Nike got their act together, and now have a world-class auditing program for labor conditions in their factories, etc., vegan_eggbeaters
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219 Nike is now given as a textbook example for corporate responsibility (and "turnaround") under that heading, believe it or not…
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221 …and you can dowload their compliance reports, etc.
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223 .8ball how much work am I going to get done before midnight?
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225 .8ball am I going to get any work done at all before midnight?
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227 I'm on the phone now about those shoes, mloy
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229 $50 cross-border fee… plus the exchange rate… grumble…
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231 It's all made in China anyway… absurd…æ
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233 For performance and design in the sole, I could never deal with any of these brands (for shoes).
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235 Most of the stuff by Nike I despise. After the last pair of Nikes I bought, they were on my "never again" list.
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237 Adidas, too, is on the never again list: I broke my rule, bought another pair of Adidas, and they're unwearable…
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239 …didn't keep the box, so couldn't return them…
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241 …they now gather dust on a shelf, and/or get worn to do push-ups indoors.
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243 There is no way tax + duty on clothing (at the U.S. border) would legit add 30% onto the price…
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245 Damn. Had to cancel the order. I really need both (1) those shoes, and (2) those clothes. I probably don't have a decent alternative.
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247 I've really run out of options for clothing myself in a remotely respectable way.
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249 (1) Need a vacation to Southeast Asia to work with a tailor, and (2) in the meantime…
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251 …I'm gonna have to order BVDs from Amazon, and look like a member of a wu-tang subsidiary from 1997.
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253 Yeah, I'm in Canada. felinebeeline & mloy
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255 Re: "just redefine respectable".  You ever go to a job interview in army surplus?
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257 Sorry: BVD was an inexplicable typo for BDU. http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dapparel&field-keywords=BDU+camo&rh=n%3A8604903011%2Ck%3ABDU+camo
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259 Note the use of the word "subdued": http://www.amazon.ca/Rothco-Subdued-Urban-Digital-Pants/dp/B00QC4YUX6/ref=sr_1_14?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1453595654&sr=1-14&keywords=urban+camo
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261 NONE OF THIS SHIT IS VEGAN. http://www.simons.ca/simons/category/6731/Jackets;jsessionid=x5RpwLYUuVgFwjfOyvyhVg__.com2?/en/
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263 "Luxurious weave in 100% Italian virgin wool"… FUCK YOU!!!
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265 Here, only the shittiest & most over-priced jacket is polyester: http://www.simons.ca/simons/product/6036-3908/Slim+Fit/Knit+houndstooth+jacket++Slim+fit?/en/&catId=6731&colourId=4#guide_tailles_6036_3908
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267 How does the price compare to a fucking BDU?
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269 Here you go! Perfect for job interviews! O00000016a http://www.amazon.ca/ATAirsoft-Outdoor-Camouflage-Military-Paintball/dp/B0183JVS8M/ref=sr_1_7?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1453596021&sr=1-7&keywords=BDU+camo+suit
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271 O00000016a: not joking, do you have experience ordering "Rothco" stuff, and with the relative sizing?
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273 I feel incapable of guessing my size from the chart (inches per inseam, etc.).
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275 Yeah, i was expecting super-baggy.
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277 I'm six-foot-three…
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279 …so I assumed I'd just roll the dice on a large.
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281 Yeah, shit… that's true…
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283 Would look like Public Enemy circa 1991.
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285 .yt public enemy 1991
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287 But if the pants are too short, I'll be pissed off.
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289 Baggy doesn't compensate for a short leg-length in trousers. :-/
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291 Ah, well. Have to roll the dice.
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293 So, like, 30 minutes later, it seems that Large is one size too  large, given that I'm six foot three, and how the inseam ration works out (in inches, etc.).
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295 Gad. That was some effort.
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297 Joining the military would be less effort. Maybe.
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299 Sam, you Canadian, too?
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301 Separate military. Technically, a separate country.
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303 bostonsonoma: Jon Snow reference.
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305 On hilarious search-result when BDU shopping, BTW: http://www.amazon.ca/Mobile-Gundam-Jikujion-shirt-jacket/dp/B00NTSO1Z0/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1453597353&sr=8-12&keywords=BDU+black+jacket O00000016a
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307 .yt nobody beats the biz remix
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309 re: ten minutes = what?
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311 And the movie is the infamous "the room"?
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313 Ag.
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315 Sorry, I would join in to be sociable, but I can't get into it.
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317 Thanks for all the help on BDU shopping this evening, BTW. Buying vegan menswear remains a nightmare (in Canada).
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319 What's the link, zeroes??
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321 This is what Al Gore invented the internet for.
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323 You call this "talking"? justin_timeforcake
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325 ;-)
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327 Which one is zeroes?
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329 I'm guessing the guy sitting completely silently is zeroes.
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331 So I infer the faceless butterfly logo = Blood Wiper.
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333 Ah, so is zeroes the guy with the moustache and the hat?
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335 Well man, in another 3 months, you'll have recovered "the vegan glow". ;-)
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337 Nothing, but you've got to compete with Freelee, Durianrider, and vegan Cheetah. ;-)
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339 Inexplicably, it says "no camera found" under settings… although my camera is plugged in and working (Mac OSX).
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341 Ah… restarting seems to have solved the problem (as usual)
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343 vegan_eggbeaters: there's a change in the turgidity of the blood-vessels (after eating a meat-intensive meal) that does indeed cause a subjectively-perceptible change in feeling.
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345 Yeah, my point is in specifying the _enhanced_ placebo effect that they are feeling _something_ (not nothing)… they're just exaggerating the significance of that feeling.
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347 Re: I agree 110%, re: but perception is subjective...e.g. vasospasm following high-fat dairy consumption is very well documented BUT some people may "feel" vasospasm
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349 I can remember peculiar subjective effects from eating meat, dairy, etc. Some of the negative effects may be perceived as positive. And, bottom line, getting a ton of protein, salt and fat (simultaneously, in a dense form) will cause people to feel "full" (thus "well").
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351 veterinary med = even worse. You deal with pet-owners' psychology.
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353 Yeah, well, I'm assuming you don't want to get involved with ape vivisection. :-/
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355 I assume you just graduated recently, and are looking for your first posting, vegan_eggbeaters ?
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357 One of the major topics of discussion (after you left the chat) was how completely useless bunniesandguac's philosophy diploma was/is, etc.
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359 So, yeah, most people in that room (incl. zeroes) were in the position of lamenting the worthlessness of their uni education.
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361 So, you're in the minority (of a minority).
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363 I already "lived my dream" in many ways, so I don't feel the same way about it. vegan_eggbeaters
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365 Most people have less than one.
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367 Correction, <a-bas-le-ciel> Most people have fewer than one.
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369 Homer: Marge, I want to be a Monorail conductor.
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371 Marge: Oh Homer, no…
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373 Homer: But it’s my life-long dream!
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375 Marge: Your dream was to run on the field during a baseball game, and you did it last year, remember?
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377 Correction: iceroll: "fewer dreams" vs. "less than one dream". Less is correct here.
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379 Correction, <a-bas-le-ciel> Correction: iceroll: "fewer dreams" vs. "less than one dream". I do not get jokes.
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381 Had conversations like that the other night (but with someone who was non-hostile), vegan_eggbeaters. "What's the optimal level of cholesterol? Zero. What's the optimal level of brain-damage (from alcohol, etc.)? Zero."
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383 And one of my professors, last year, has a lifelong disability from eating "normal" quantities of fish, with "normal" quantities of mercury.
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385 What's the optimal level of mercury in your diet? Zero.
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387 justin_timeforcake: dietary cholesterol. Your body (as a vegan) produces its own cholesterol.
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389 Yeah, eating zero cholesterol is optimal. justin_timeforcake
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391 Re: "…things that vegans are experts on."  TBH, I don't even think of it in terms of expertise, but just in terms of doing the best you can. :-/
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393 I assume you know the "plant positive" Youtube channel, vegan_eggbeaters? Unbelievably patient guy in dealing with paleo-diet mythology.
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395 It would be redundant for you, vegan_eggbeaters, but for many people (who believe in paleo diets, etc.) it would be extremely informative: https://www.youtube.com/user/PrimitiveNutrition/videos
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397 So you officially don't hate me no more? vegan_eggbeaters
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399 ;-)
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401 BTW, if you guys want a laugh / distraction, here's the contribution of the day from old man Eames: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gIprC10Yf0
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403 vegan_eggbeaters: could you please (PLEASE) replace Sam Harris, as the fucking public face of both neuroscience and veganism. Holy shit, his book is unbelievably awful.
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405 We talked about it last night (maybe after you left the room). I've got a copy of Harris's "Waking Up" on my desk.
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407 It's Sam Harris's whole philosophy of life. And it is horse-shit. It gives horse-shit a bad name. Hopefully it doesn't inspire me to make yet another video on S.H. https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=sam+harris
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409 Sam is used to it.
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411 No, he became vegan extremely recently, test12 (a few months ago?).
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413 He is, now, a public face for both veganism and neuro-… uh… neuro-opinion-making. :-/
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415 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t59W4mgg2gM
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417 Nah, you guys just happen to talk about the same things I make videos about.
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419 https://youtu.be/ZvHGVp84CAo?t=1m17s
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421 Hey zeroes. BTW, the saga continues: https://youtu.be/8gIprC10Yf0 O00000016a
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423 Even more BTW, I downloaded Whiteowl's "Classic" tapes 9 & 10… they aren't life-changing, but I can listen to them while writing an essay about Siberia. http://whiteowlmixtapes.blogspot.ca/search?updated-max=2016-01-11T06:35:00-08:00&max-results=7 O00000016a
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425 Sup GummyBear25
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427 .seen a-bas-le-ciel
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429 http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2682485972
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431 ^ The ususal.  Collapse of fisheries (due to over-fishing) has been one of the leitmotifs in Canadian politics for years beyond counting.
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433 O00000016a: not the greatest mixtape I've heard in my life, but some material on there I'd never heard of before. I'd never heard the name BBO before, not ashamed to admit it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n-dC6jApps
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435 .urban qt
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437 Who actually believes Blood-Wiper is 18?
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439 Re: "thats DOCTOR Harris to you". Did anyone even notice that Vucket had a pre-programmed catty response to the mention of Sam Harris's name? (0_0)
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441 socksy|ded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za4w_jWeZsA
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443 Yeah, and 1000 people have watched it. ;-) socksy|ded
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445 Man, I finished this essay WAY before midnight. ;-)
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447 I just looked up the "depressing" documentary you guys mentioned to me… i.e., the one that John Sakars made himself… about himself. He's really a horrendously bad film-maker.  It's impossible to imagine anyone sitting through it continuously.
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449 I know V.R. CLAIMS he learned nothing in film school… but still…
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451 I think people do learn SOMETHING in film school.
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453 https://youtu.be/XiuY6OqJuo8?t=1m30s
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455 From the old days, before copyright enforcement on Youtube, when people made "original" videos for other peoples' songs… https://youtu.be/UQakz9-kvfI?t=9s O00000016a
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457 Yeah, somehow, reading about the history of the civil war in Siberia reminded me of that link.
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459 benyqpid: I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but re: "I think there are some sort of locker/hold services at yvr?" Yes, there is indeed a service of that kind (pay a fee, check your bags, etc.).
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461 In Vancouver: http://www.edibleflours.ca/Menu.html
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463 I infer that somebody is/are visiting Vancouver.
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465 benyqpid: I'm in Vic City, a relatively short ferry-ride away: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLtwF08wvQ
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467 I don't know which one you were, benyqpid
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469 .seen a-bas-le-ciel
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471 Thank you, Youtube, for this recommended viewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNlq8xF7jHw
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473 tetsuo29: I assume that's just an excuse to try to peer-pressure people into socializing via IRC.
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475 Vegan pants are hard to find. Wish I was joking.
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477 Respectable menswear = haunted by the ghost of wool.  Wool is WAY more of a problem than leather.
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479 Wool is a powerful cultural symbol for quality / respectability, etc. It is very, very hard to find respectable vegan menswear…
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481 …and, IMO, I am too old to really get away with wearing either (1) Adidas tracksuits, or (2) army surplus BDUs. :-/
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483 What I wear to a job interview: http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-legend-of-snow-beach-raekwon.html
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485 That's my (current and ongoing) blog, BTW.
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487 Really edgy and disturbing first person accounts from my private sex-life, benyqpid: http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2015/06/last-of-the-white-elephants.html
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489 benyqpid: I assumed you already knew everything about me. Mostly non-fiction, yes, e.g., https://medium.com/@eiselmazard/latest
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491 SNOW BEACH (seems like a meaningful political statement of some kind, but it ain't): http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zVcl-6E3OLY/VWQLvHzYxNI/AAAAAAAAKN0/pjFBibnT9qg/s1600/snow-beach-20X6.jpg
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493 O00000016a: what happened on X-Files? Is it trying to make any sort of political statement in its current incarnation? (I dunno… against torture, etc.?)
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495 Whereas, in reality, the american military industrial complex now has the thankless task of trying to defang Putin's Russia without escalation into a nuclear  war, etc. etc. :-/
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497 It is depressing to live in an era when the public is indifferent to the most pressing political issues, etc. (whether or not we're talking about veganism).
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499 fear: Freedom House rating for Russia (basic human rights, voting, press-freedom, etc.) = https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2015/russia
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501 For the sake of comparison, the ratings for Turkey = https://freedomhouse.org/country/turkey
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503 Fear, I'm sure you imagine that you have a great deal to teach me. The trouble is, I don't imagine that at all.
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505 To me, the deserts of Arizona are strikingly beautiful.
506
507 Still, fear, you're a vegetarian dating a vegan (who continues to be non-vegan), therefore, we despise you, and send wave after wave of bots to express our disapproval.
508
509 .fite fear
510
511 Really, there's nothing to fear but fear itself.
512
513 "Fugging vegetarians… coming over here… stealing all our vegan women…". [Paraphrase of every 2nd-rate TV show from the 1990s… this was really an over-used trope back in the day.]
514
515 .fite fear with fear
516
517 No no, morchella, we are trying to ADAPT him, to our VOLTAGE. (TM)
518
519 I pretend that I'm doing it for ethical reasons, but really I'm just doing it so I can feel superior to Sam Harris.
520
521 Yeah, I was just going to add that I'm not the only regular on this IRC of whom it could be said. ;-) (scil., I pretend that I'm doing it for ethical reasons, but really I'm just doing it so I can feel superior to Sam Harris.)
522
523 "A Law to Ban the Slaughter of Cattle (in Sri Lanka)." (very short article, like, two paragraphs) http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/63569746187/vegan-mind-tricks-a-law-to-ban-the-slaughter-of
524
525 Hey, fear, I've heard of this really popular "theory" called evolution; according to that theory, we developed from primates so that our natural cycle of life was to exist as parasites, breast-feeding on cows from birth until death. Interesting theory, hm? We're, like, half-way between monkeys and single-species vampire bats.
526
527 Not mine! justin_timeforcake
528
529 I was vegetarian before I became vegan, but my version of "strictly vegetarian" came very close to veganism anyway (e.g., refusing to buy leather), and I was living in places like Cambodia & Yunnan, where dairy was an incidental part of the diet anyway. In principle, I always thought veganism was "correct", even when I didn't know the word "vegan".
530
531  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTA_4zDa8r0 fear
532
533 Completely off-topic, remember when Lamar Odom was handsome? Cautionary tale, O00000016a http://56.media.tumblr.com/914565ac227f78770b9eb8ad806e9294/tumblr_mse6eiKMki1s0b18to1_1280.png
534
535 All-too-real glimpse into the mind of a vegan blogger: http://theresnorevolution.tumblr.com/post/133600961172
536
537 benyqpid: what is/are "kits"? (And, yeah, reminder, I also live in B.C. …?)
538
539 Fully three people in this room right now are in B.C., hm?
540
541 Ah, yeah, Kitsilano.  I know Kitsilano. Another etymology of genocide, sadly.
542
543 We have one Japanese place here (run by a legit, elderly Japanese couple) that makes a vegan bento box…
544
545 …ONE PROBLEM…
546
547 …they use brown rice for sushi rolls (UNFORGIVABLE).
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549 The bento itself is excellent, but a bit weight-loss-inducing (just not a lot of calories in total).
550
551 BTW, gaiz, Ali Tabrizi is _en route_ to SF right now.
552
553 I assume he'll post youtube videos from there, etc.
554
555 O00000016a: Ali Tabrizi = "The Friendly [vegan] Activist" https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFriendlyActivist
556
557 benyqpid: I respect your opinion only while knowing that it is FACTUALLY WRONG.
558
559 Sushi must be made with glutinous white rice & vinegar (glutinous rice is not the same species as other varieties of rice). ??.
560
561 https://youtu.be/CWjcp2uiuFg
562
563 Gee, they put "official video" in quotation marks, as if they couldn't quite believe it themselves.
564
565 mloy: what the hell are you guys doing with your lives? (Not that I assume it's worse than writing essays about the politics of Siberia). I assume it's either (1) video-games, or (2) drug-dealing, with an elaborate The-Wire-esque code involved.
566
567 No, no, but all this crap about frame-rates and screen-rez… again, I assume it's either (1) video-games, or (2) drug-dealing, with an elaborate The-Wire-esque code involved.
568
569 Gah! An addiction scarcely worse than heroin! The opiate of the masses!
570
571 Don't you realize that you could be spending this time WORRYING, and feeling awful about yourselves?
572
573 Pfff. Nerds. You've seen the stack of books on my desk, and even I say, "nerds". Fucking Counter-Strike? Try…
574
575 .yt fletcher prouty interview
576
577 (Obviously a random link, BTW.)
578
579 You just need to have a moderately repulsive personality. (Re: "how do you make it so that people can follow you on facebook but not necessarily have to be your friend?")
580
581 WenGobou: are you also a victim of this terrible scourge of video-game addiction, that is ravaging our youth and middle-aged bike couriers?
582
583 Worrying + self-pitying >>>>>>>> addiction + happiness.
584
585 Except that I have absolutely nothing in common with henry rollins. :-/ Neither a boast nor a lament.
586
587 If I join the military, I'd still have nothing in common with henry rollins. (Wait… did he ever actually do military service?)
588
589 Strange… his whole life is sort of pseudo-militaristic, but he never joined the forces.*
590
591 * [We say "forces" here in Canada… I think Americans do not?]
592
593 More like MURDER nut Cheerios. Ha? Ha? Am I rite fellows?* *[Overcompensating vegan.]
594
595 It's not cheery, it's violence. TM
596
597 TBH, I have to live somewhere that (1) I don't despise the culture, and (2) the culture doesn't despise me, to get a religion started.
598
599 Here in Victoria… I'm basically a complete stranger / outsider / tourist.
600
601 But, otherwise, O00000016a, the honest answer to your question is, "As soon as possible".
602
603 If you can pause your opiate addiction, here's a short article I wrote about a REAL cult that re-branded themselves as a vegan animal rights charity (with photos!): http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/59907312911/how-a-satanic-cult-became-an-animal-rights-group
604
605 But it's real, all too real.  You see, kids, before the internet ruined everything with digital effects, we had something called "real life"… and people would actually, like, dress up, and sit in the same room together… and, yeah, sometimes that led to terrible, terrible things happening, that none of us want to admit that we remember… but at least
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607  it was real life… http://56.media.tumblr.com/8a2592807eca34a6e301aa5264c68f77/tumblr_mseqzrtvr61s0b18to1_1280.jpg
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609 "The black-caped, black-garbed, death-worshiping Process Church of the Final Judgment arrived on the Los Angeles scene in early 1968. They stayed in public view till a few days after Robert Kennedy's assassination in June of '68, after which they dropped from sight in Los Angeles."
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611 There are theories linking them to the death of RFK, as well as Charles Manson, etc.
612
613 But some of the "links" really are just that people involved met each-other, had conversations, etc.
614
615 Hey, L.A. in 1968… you met some strange people… especially if you were yourself a strange person… running a cape-and-candle cult. :-/
616
617 I don't think I've mentioned to you, O00000016a, that I've had various e-mails from people about the ways in which my youtube channel has changed their lives (some big, some small)… one guy recently explained (really sincerely) how he reconsidered what his reasons were for wanting to go to Thailand and join the Freelee cult. It is interesting to he
618
619 ar this stuff back…
620
621 …but the reality is that Freelee, etc., do not provide any kind of impressive "cult" experience.
622
623 You would be, really, spending thousands of dollars just to sit around with someone in a public park in Chiang Mai (as shown on video-tape), and to affirm the not-at-all surprising fact that if you quit your job and ride your bicycle 200 km per day, you'll lose weight.
624
625 I don't even think of it as "positive", you're just hearing how this stuff fits into people's lives. Another guy evidently had a real emotional breakdown after watching my videos on Buddhism, etc. It means different things to different people.
626
627 benyqpid: To their credit, they're transparent about their finances (if you wanna take the time to listen). They sell diet-books, DVDs, etc.
628
629 benyqpid: Matter of perspective. ;-) Plenty of people romanticize "the void" (life of an artist and all that).
630
631 Well, I've also had several different people say to me that I've had some kind of shocking effect on them that made them reconsider how they made Youtube videos, and that they now wanted to take a new direction with their own channel/monologues, etc.
632
633 But, seriously, my videos are pretty boring.
634
635 benyqpid: no, no, I'm here: http://youtube.com/heijinzhengzhi/videos
636
637 Well… I had been expecting more public interest (even here on campus) in the stuff on China and Chinese… but there was zero.  And that was a lot more work than spontaneous monologues (about veganism or anything else). https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=Chinese
638
639 Anyway, it is what it is: I was just telling you, O00000016a, because you'd shared your own reflections on how you saw/reacted-to the channel last night (and that, also, was interesting for me to hear).
640
641 benyqpid: I really like the one with "cocaine" in the title… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w14YA2vyHMc
642
643 Man, the level of self-parody in this IRC…
644
645 LOL  a-baseless-eel
646
647 This IRC is gradually developing into its own genre of fiction… with corresponding fan-fiction… as you've just demonstrated, Vol.
648
649 I would just note, actually, before this whole Lex Luthor thing took off, my channel already had an element of self-parody, linking me to a super-villain, etc. https://yt3.ggpht.com/-svpHayt2APQ/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/qit37msCxSs/s100-c-k-no/photo.jpg
650
651 Ask Joe Best: it cost him his soul.
652
653 .seen bunga
654
655 vucket, bunga quotes
656
657 O_O
658
659 vucket, bunga quotes crying
660
661 .seen bunga
662
663 Well, a sad end to the story, apparently.
664
665 everyone in this IRC is a male, computer-programmer, ex-junkie to me until proven otherwise
666
667 Back when I was on Tumblr, 99% of the ppl who interacted with me were female. I think I spoke to ONE heterosexual male and ONE gay male during the whole time I used that website, and everyone else was female.
668
669 Currently, I think I'm the only vegan youtuber with a majority-male viewership… but that's skewed by the Buddhists. Some of the Buddhist videos get thousands of views… and I'm guessing that's a testosterone-heavy demographic.
670
671 Ali Tabrizi, aforementioned, mentioned at some point that 70% or 80% of his viewers were female (I forget the number)…
672
673 …and I wrote to him pointing out that I still had a predominantly male viewership.
674
675 Yeah, I just checked: my viewers are currently 70% male.
676
677 Nope.
678
679 Ali = this guy. https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFriendlyActivist
680
681 bdubs: Yeah, but that covers a huge part of the world's map: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IE_expansion.png
682
683 .pp lifestyle choices based on advice I heard on youtube
684
685 .pp not voting but feeling better informed because of something I heard on youtube
686
687 bdubs: what field are you in? I wrote about Max Müller, etc., under a very different heading.
688
689 I remember two profs offered me an M.A. in linguistics, and were shocked when I said "no". :-/ Sad scene in many ways, looking back on it. It was sad at the time, too.
690
691 Most profs I've known are extremely unhappy with their own lives, and yet are shocked when you tell them that you don't want to follow in their footsteps (don't want to become a prof yourself), etc.
692
693 bdubs: just read the first paragraph here, and you'll see how crazy/hilarious it gets: https://medium.com/@eiselmazard/the-opposite-of-buddhism-9-386c78b3cf7c#.5aaofzojs
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695 Surinam brings up a number of memories for me, that I'm now tempted to mention but won't.  Anyway, yes, the languages there are their own strange province of study.
696
697 O00000016a: (1) switch to OkCupid, (2) set your location to Tel Aviv, (3) search for Jewish vegan qts who are looking to migrate to Canada.
698
699 O00000016a: Ironically, this is advice I would NEVER FOLLOW MYSELF. Still excellent advice, tho. :-/
700
701 bostonsonoma: PRESENT COMPANY EXCLUDED.
702
703 REAL TALK: not-drinking-alcohol is much more of an obstacle to dating (in the western world) than being vegan. DISCUSS.
704
705 Why the hell did straight-edge ever ban sex, as something equivalent to a drug?
706
707 .seen fear
708
709 sup
710
711 I'm learning more about the politics of Fiji and Tonga than I ever imagined I would. :-/
712
713 And now, suddenly, nobody cares in the least what Harper has to say about anything. :-/ The illusion that these people have respected views or opinions is paper-thin.
714
715 vegan_eggbeaters: No, he isn't Jewish, he's a Christian who is ultra-zionist, and therefore a bit of a Jewish-wannabe.
716
717 Believe it or not, he's not the only example of this in Canadian politics.
718
719 Hey, remember when people cared about what G.W. Bush's twin daughters were doing?  That was a LONG time ago.
720
721 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-vows-loyalty-to-israel-in-speech-to-knesset-1.2503393
722
723 Jenna Bush is old enough to run for president herself at this point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Bush_Hager
724
725 .urban daxes
726
727 I rolled out the most depressing meme going this morning: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0I8K3k12BuY/VqZUAcjX42I/AAAAAAAAKrY/oOJ-bOHbBic/s1600/pigs-never-seen.png
728
729 .urban dank
730
731 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK2DRvjBLs4
732
733 .mm vol
734
735 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuVjYoZHP4M
736
737 And now, after that performance, the conversation is dead, and the IRC looms silent. :-/
738
739 mx_missile_proof: What country is it made in, i.e., Miyoko's?
740
741 "Inclusiveness" presumes that there are people for you to include… i.e., people who are currently being excluded.
742
743 There is fragmentation and isolation within veganism, but politics and religion are the primary issues, etc.
744
745 O00000016a: It also presumes you've got something worthwhile going on that you can invite others to join. For some of the religious groups, that may be true, e.g., S.M.C.H. has their own chain of restaurants, their meditation groups, etc., so --theoretically-- there could be someone feeling excluded from that who wants to be let inside. But… uh… I 
746
747 don't think ANYONE feels excluded from DxE, to use an example that is significant in its way.
748
749 Who would you rather read a book authored by: Priya or Sam Harris? https://youtu.be/Q95_ZYK8Uu4?t=29s
750
751 fear: I assume you've seen my youtube channel? https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
752
753 "Why would you assume so?" Because you're asking how old I am.
754
755 Yeah, well, fear, you can learn a lot more from clicking around my youtube channel. Knock yourself out.
756
757 fear: You're seriously interested in discussing Russian politics with me?
758
759 That was the context for the quote you just dug up.
760
761 So: if you want to know more about me (such as my age, appearance, etc.) go ahead and have a look at my youtube channel. I was polite enough in giving you the link. Otherwise: fuck off. No, I don't think you have anything to teach me about the political history of Russia. I doubt that's a crushing blow to your ego, because I doubt you have any real
762
763  interest in Russia or emotional attachment to the issue. That's about it, man. Take it or leave it. @ fear
764
765 Fear, I'm not angry at you. Simply, you asked how old I was, so I asked if you'd seen my youtube channel. I can't imagine why you'd want to know if you hadn't seen my youtube channel. However, if you want to know more about me, as stated, click away. Yes, I think your comments on Russia (yesterday) indicate that you're a horse's ass. That's okay. P
766
767 eople are more than the sum of all their political opinions, and just one political opinion (stated in isolation) really isn't that big a deal. However, yes, I am studying Russia in a university program now, and the bloodshed of Putin's current policy (e.g., in the Ukraine, but not only the Ukraine), is indeed (simply put) "a big deal".
768
769 Detailed reporting from the Russian-Ukraine borderlands (formal lecture from a guy who had just returned from extensive field-research, etc.) https://youtu.be/8WA1rP5WGfY?t=23m18s
770
771 No, fear, that was not all that you said. Yes, you made an ass of yourself. No, it really isn't a big deal. As stated: I'm not angry at you.
772
773 Fear: you're really a glass-is-half-empty kind of guy, hm?
774
775 As I said before: No, I don't think you have anything to teach me about the political history of Russia. I doubt that's a crushing blow to your ego, because I doubt you have any real interest in Russia or emotional attachment to the issue. That's about it, man. Take it or leave it. @ fear
776
777 Really, the purpose of what I had to say was neither to start a fight, nor pick a fight. The glass is half full: "People are more than the sum of all their political opinions, and just one political opinion (stated in isolation) really isn't that big a deal. However, yes, I am studying Russia in a university program now, and the bloodshed of Putin'
778
779 s current policy (e.g., in the Ukraine, but not only the Ukraine), is indeed (simply put) "a big deal"."
780
781 http://www.thepotomacfoundation.org/why-russia-spent-2015-half-assing-it-in-ukraine/
782
783 vegan_eggbeaters: But has she seen "From Farm to Fridge" yet? ;-)
784
785 O00000016a: The show is aired on successive nights of the same week?
786
787 O00000016a: BTW, I don't remember your answer, re: ASOIAF?
788
789 O00000016a: true confessions, how many bikes do you own?
790
791 I'm saying minimum = 3/
792
793 O00000016a: "complete or frames"… YOU'RE AVOIDING THE QUESTION!
794
795 Damn… 20 frames + 7 bikes rolling stock? WTF.
796
797 O00000016a: how tall are you? Do you have trouble finding good frames because you're extremely tall or short?
798
799 Man, there's no reason to own all that steel.
800
801 Yeah, but if you need to pack up and move, what happens to your bikes?
802
803 Property = chains that hold you in one place. Esp. property of this kind.
804
805 It would be hell selling that kind of stuff. You'd feel emotionally attached to it, try to put it on ebay one at a time, etc.
806
807 Selling a bike = harder than selling a dog.
808
809 O00000016a: one of my bikes is in a warehouse in Thailand, where I'll never see it again, and one parted ways with me in Jinghong, China. :-/ I'll probably never ride a bike again, period.
810
811 If I were to buy a bike again, I'd be intentionally getting something cheap enough that I could part ways without it being a big deal. Some one-speed shit that doesn't require maintenance.
812
813 And aluminum.
814
815 One speed: http://www.rbinc-sports.com/catalog/bikes/jamis-bikes/road/2015-road-fixie
816
817 Under $1000 (barely).
818
819 If you aren't on steroids, you don't need more.
820
821 I think NOT looking like a hipster is part of my struggle in life…
822
823 …thus the agonizing over ordering clothes the other day (thanks for the BDU advice, BTW).
824
825 But Trek will never be cool because it's Trek. :-/ Nor will it ever be intentionally-uncool because it's Trek. Lose-lose situation.
826
827 And, you realize, O00000016a, that if you live in Taiwan, all of this bike stuff costs 30% of the price you pay over here, etc. etc.
828
829 Even the Italian brands now manufacture in Taiwan.
830
831 Gad, what a relapse. I can't believe I'm even talking about bicycles. Out with you, ghost of long-distance-cycling-past.
832
833 Horizontal seat. (0_o) Are you secretly female, vegan_eggbeaters?
834
835 Greg Curnoe. Live by the bike, die by the bike. :-/ Met his wife, daughter, etc., back in the day. He lived in an abandoned church, converted to be his studio. Although his life would not have been my dream, it was somebody's dream. And he died under the wheels of a truck. Yeah, I remember him having a ton of bikes hanging on racks, too. No idea wh
836
837 ere his money came from, come to think of it (inheritance?).
838
839 I have fond memories of portuguese bakeries, vegan_eggbeaters, but they were 100% roast-chicken oriented where I came from. :-/
840
841 Yeah, but cf. portuguese potato bread. I can't be the only one who knows that.
842
843 Obviously, I should have learned Portuguese instead of studying Asian languages. :-/ SIGH. Then I could enjoy 25% unemployment and third-world conditions at first-world prices.
844
845 No matter how many times I provide a similar pronunciation guide, Cheetah still can't pronounce the name of my channel. ;-) He tries a few times in his latest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzH-x0n7xU
846
847 Man, there is no portuguese cornbread in my future… not unless I stop over at Macao. :-(
848
849 vegan_eggbeaters: I used to live in Catalonia, and various web-pages of mine reflect brief attempts to study the language.
850
851 Catalonia, also: 25% unemployment, etc. etc.
852
853 http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/search?q=Catalan
854
855 http://portuguesebreads.blogspot.ca/2013/05/bolo-do-caco-recipe.html
856
857 O00000016a did you actually watch your favorite TV show, or did your attachment to this IRC ruin it for you?
858
859 bunniesandguac: have you considered switching to Reform Judaism? They have their own university, etc.
860
861 Here in Canada, tuition is cheap, but scholarships are also cheap.  It's a lower risk game, but with less to win, also. bunniesandguac
862
863 http://huc.edu/academics/become-scholar
864
865 bunniesandguac: Man, my heart breaks for you… you're in a trap I know all-too-well. There are tuition-free options in Europe (for grad school), if you can find the energy to get fluent in German, and if you really want to push on to grad school in philosophy, etc. etc. (at low-cost or zero-cost).
866
867 .yt hoodie season droog
868
869 No, no, this is what I was looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kB2AVYa1JA
870
871 ^ I already hyped this guy to you, BTW, O00000016a
872
873 That one track is, IMO, suitable for all-time-great lists. Don't know how many tracks of that quality he can produce, tho.
874
875 "You that kid who used to play barefoot in the McDonalds ball pit."
876
877 'Sup gogo.
878
879 GogoGilligan: just listening to Young Droog, getting work done for Uni, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIkHuC4qDI4
880
881 You noticed? ;-)
882
883 Don't know if I can actually provide advice that would help you get a higher grade…
884
885 …are you going to post it to a blog or equivalent? GogoGilligan
886
887 Yeah, these guys like to switch to live-chat systems…
888
889 …just so they can sit there and stare at each-other in silence.
890
891 It's cute and revolting at the same time.
892
893 Last time, you guys derailed my push-up routine, because of your long silences that I felt morally obliged to interrupt with witty banter.
894
895 Humblebrag.
896
897 No, wait: that was just regular brag.
898
899 http://utox.org/
900
901 GogoGilligan: Truth is that life hasn't really given me the luxury of focussing on anything. This semester I'm learning more about Togo and Fiji than I'd ever planned to, etc.
902
903 But yeah, cool: I'll take a look at the essay (as linked to).
904
905 Well, look, GogoGilligan, this essay is more intelligent than anything Breeze Harper has ever said or written. :-/ That's not much of a compliment, but hey: you got it.
906
907 The advice the essay offers, GogoGilligan, is not "actionable" (i.e., it isn't something that can be put into practice), but academic essays rarely offer actionable advice, so that's okay.  I think your main strength here is that you didn't phrase the matter in terms of inclusion-vs-exclusion… so, basically, the essay provides a survey of some of t
908
909 he thematic concerns, etc., and that's okay.
910
911 Ultimately, the two "intersections" you propose prioritizing here, GogoGilligan, would have to be subject to the same pragmatic scrutiny as the "single-axis approach to animal rights" that appears as the default on page one. Either an approach gets results, or it doesn't; or it gets a mix of good and bad results. You mention Dick Gregory as an exam
912
913 ple; yes, he's an interesting example, but, looking back on him (historically), is that an example you'd want to repeat? Is that a model for activism (or anything else) here and now? You can ask the same questions, perhaps more provocatively, about Jainism and vegan movements within Hinduism, too. So, yeah, questions that begin theoretically end pr
914
915 agmatically.
916
917 justin_timeforcake: the paperwork isn't as difficult as you might imagine.
918
919 You guys realize you just wasted an hour "replacing" Skype… instead of just using Skype. No offense.
920
921 Hey, Skype ensures that both the C.I.A. and Israeli intelligence have a back-up copy of all of my private communications. That's one feature I really appreciate.
922
923 .ping
924
925 .ping drgalactus
926
927 https://youtu.be/rK9CbBkGK9Q?t=1m24s
928
929 But not the rapper known as freeway.
930
931 .pp the actual freeway, not the other one.
932
933 O00000016a: yeah, but there's yet-another rapper known as "Freeway". He took that name prior to R.R., as I recall.
934
935 27 days is not all that long a time.
936
937 .g gini coefficient japan chart
938
939 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7fCQlUhj0
940
941 ^ My highly refined, intellectual contribution to the discussion.
942
943 No, I assume Nardwuar has made a tribute video. Possibly Snoop Dogg, too, hm? O00000016a
944
945 Re: "heart attack or stroke or something". I blame carnism.
946
947 You have to admit, O00000016a, Nar didn't look healthy at the best of times. :-/ That Canadian diet.
948
949 For the majority of people, the first symptom of heart failure is their last symptom, i.e., they're seemingly healthy until they're dead.
950
951 I knew a white guy in Thailand who was pretty much dying in front of my eyes, but who was genuinely thin (thinner than Nar). He ate meat three meals per day. When he collapsed, the doctors didn't want to operate because they thought it would just kill him. His circulatory system had basically stopped circulating. A million stories like that every d
952
953 ay.
954
955 Plenty of operations can kill you. Cutting through your chest to get access to your heart, etc., is a surgery that can kill you.
956
957 Could be that the surgeons were incompetent, but I doubt it. Those downtown hospitals in Bangkok handle clients from all over the world, etc. They probably just didn't feel like killing a patient that day. :-/
958
959 .g reverse plaza accord
960
961 .g "reverse plaza accord"
962
963 Ah… the indefatigable Mises Institute has a separate article on it: http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Reverse_Plaza_Accord
964
965 O00000016a: youtube videos, also, now count as "a drug"?
966
967 Ah… I still have this link open. 14 seconds of pure joy: https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0
968
969 What was the verdict on qtox, bunniesandguac? Bright future of internet telephony?
970
971 Sometimes open-source projects take over the world, but sometimes they just fizzle out…
972
973 …you'll note that Youtube itself is not open-source, and has never been threatened by an open-source competitor, etc. etc.
974
975 I remember there was supposed to be an open-source replacement for Facebook YEARS ago… and I kept checking in on its progress once in a while… it, also, advertised superior privacy, security, etc. …but it just fizzled out.
976
977 That profit motive, man. Spice of life. :-/
978
979 Oh, yeah, right and the open-source "Couchsurfing" alternative, actually a non-profit (unlike Couchsurfing's phony ass)… a complete flop: https://www.bewelcome.org/
980
981 That's the one, grisher… started in 2010… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_%28software%29
982
983 It still hasn't reached version 1.0. And they're reinventing already-obsolete technology. To me, that's a joke.
984
985 "After the project raised over $200,000 in crowdfunding via the Kickstarter website by June 1, 2010…". Imagine how you'd feel if you'd actually paid for that vaporware?
986
987 grisher: Last night, everyone aside from myself was optimistic as hell about tox, and laughing at me for suggesting that they'd end up reverting to Skype after an hour…
988
989 …and, hey, complain about Skype all you want: it works, and it works for millions of people.
990
991 dr_analog: Yes, by coincidence, I have it right here…
992
993 http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf dr_analog
994
995 dr_analog: you may also enjoy the short video on this topic posted on my own channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR0l05GsA1U
996
997 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6jfrrwR10k
998
999 elyukayee: What field are you in, that you would be considering a career in humanitarian work?
1000
1001 elyukayee: if you're not (1) born rich, or (2) have some specific skill (such as dentistry), then it's hard to argue for a job in humanitarian assistance. Plenty of cynical remarks on my experience in the humanitarian field on my Youtube channel, and on my blog. http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/No-Nostalgia-for-Laos.html
1002
1003 First few minutes of this interview entirely about becoming vegan: https://soundcloud.com/taxseason/the-russell-simmons-episode O00000016a
1004
1005 You still blocking me, fear old chap?
1006
1007 Just got back from a smashing lecture on Russian politics.
1008
1009 Really, so many of the disasters in Russian politics over a period of roughly a century have their roots in the failure to actually allow the winners of the 1917 elections to form the government.  It was just a fundamental absurdity that Lenin wanted to pretend that he'd won (when he'd lost)… and civil war (etc.) was an inevitable result. https://e
1010
1011 n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election,_1917
1012
1013 fear. re: "I wish army had a vegan option for shit". They do. There's a lot of information about that on the web; different for each nation's army, obv. You thinking about joining the forces?
1014
1015 Kind of a 3rd rate reason to join the army.
1016
1017 vegan_eggbeaters: This is weight-gain advice from a medical doctor? (O_o)
1018
1019 https://youtu.be/_rTIxcWAt_k?t=2m35s bunniesandguac
1020
1021 Unfortunately, the only aspect of 21st century Christianity I can really enjoy is the aspect devoted to the critique/excoriation of what's wrong with Christianity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdKI1wj-JpI
1022
1023 Still… bunniesandguac… you guys get all the decent music. :-/ If I start posting Buddhist rap music here, my contributions will be brief.
1024
1025 vucket, am I fat <reply> It's what's on the inside that counts.  Like, Kale. After you eat it.
1026
1027 I thought mx was a pseudonym for eggbeaters.
1028
1029 vucket, a-bas-le-ciel <reply> No no, it's pronounced like "sea-el".
1030
1031 a-bas-le-ciel
1032
1033 So I'm stuck with this shout out to the Wu Tang every time my name gets mentioned. Could be worse.
1034
1035 I never met bunga qua bunga. I have no idea why any of you guys play this game with false names, false identities, etc. My whole web-presence uses my real name, real life, etc.
1036
1037 https://youtu.be/zZq2cUud5Oo?t=1m33s
1038
1039 mloy: My real, legal name is stamped on pretty much everything I do (or linked to it somehow), and I don't wear makeup in my videos. :P
1040
1041 vegan_eggbeaters: They had animal experiments (vivisection, etc.) ongoing in in one of the Buddhist university-hospitals (all vegan food, etc.) in Taiwan. When asked what the justification was, the only thing the doctors could say was, "The guru approved it". I'm using "guru" here as shorthand for charismatic leader.
1042
1043 When I was at other universities (Oxford, etc.) I raised these issues with various Buddhist university professors, i.e., you talk about not-killing-mosquitoes, but your employing-institution tortures monkeys to death, etc.
1044
1045 vegan_eggbeaters: Actually, the "guru" being alluded to here is female.
1046
1047 vegan_eggbeaters: Yeah, I understand, I just thought it was interesting to note (in the Taiwanese, Buddhist context) that the leader was actually female (and still is).
1048
1049 https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwinkOP5l8nKAhVC4GMKHcKpBicQtwIIHDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_rTIxcWAt_k&usg=AFQjCNGj_pN5Z0aY-dG0QBhCTioV45Acdw
1050
1051 https://youtu.be/_rTIxcWAt_k?t=20s
1052
1053 I never liked ice cream.  Never. Maybe I lack the opioid response you'lre alluding to.
1054
1055 vegan_eggbeaters: not really, despite an oddly diverse and thorough "education" in cheese. I always found butter revolting, and, by the same token, any cheese that actually tasted like dairy was similarly revolting to me (whereas, e.g., hard cheese grated into pasta does not "taste like cheese" in this sense). vegan_eggbeaters
1056
1057 Even as a small child, whole milk and butter were revolting to me; the taste of any dairy product that actually tasted or smelled like dairy was revolting to me (whereas, e.g., skim milk has less of the smell/taste, etc.). Blue cheese, likewise, has a distracting scent from the blue, etc. etc.
1058
1059 vegan_eggbeaters: so I assume you just screamed at her that veganism is the moral baseline, and then held up a DxE sign, and stormed out of the restaurant chanting slogans? I've been watching youtube, and apparently that's the leading edge in vegan activism.
1060
1061 (I was joking.)
1062
1063 Are you guy already aware of this phenomenon? I think the title of the vid speaks for itself (and, NB, this is a live broadcast, right now). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox0tGIxkxn0
1064
1065 Not what you're expecting. No, seriously, not what you're expecting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdOem5tpHJc
1066
1067 WHAT?!!?!?!?!?  Are you ACTUALLY talking about VEGANISM?!?!?!?!?
1068
1069 Don't you realize this is an Arch-Linux admin chat forum, Magnanimity?
1070
1071 Exactly. ;-) @ sam
1072
1073 Hey, sy, given that you've devoted more than two minutes to this conversation, I would like to invite you (SERIOUSLY) to watch just two minutes of this video (from the point linked to, it runs 4 minutes max anyway). https://youtu.be/BtOFUuPXJqc?t=8m30s
1074
1075 'Sup.
1076
1077 Is there a command I can give to check "who is here now"?
1078
1079 .help
1080
1081 .bookpun
1082
1083 .seen anyone
1084
1085 :-/
1086
1087 I'm asking if there's a command I can type into the IRC line here that would produce a list of who is actually "present" (now using) the IRC room.
1088
1089 Just you and me, grisher. We should have a unified time-zone, for B.C., Australia & Tonga.
1090
1091 It is 8:16 PM in Tonga. :-/
1092
1093 See, it would be better if we all came to a reasonable compromise, and let it be 8:16 everywhere.
1094
1095 'Sup, O00000016a. It's 6AM on the west coast.
1096
1097 Attempting to get a workout now (rather than in the evening).
1098
1099 O00000016a: What I know about this (political) situation, I know because of the "coverage" provided by Charlamagne (the rap music critic/host/radio-personality). Not joking.
1100
1101 BTW, although I realize it's offensive to mention veganism (in a forum about veganism), this is a full hour TALKING ABOUT VEGANISM from Charlamagne's clique: https://soundcloud.com/taxseason/the-russell-simmons-episode
1102
1103 iceroll & bunniesandguac : What Kant has to say about animals/meat is a very distant memory for me … but I assume you guys all know about the "open scandal" surrounding Descartes, animals and vivisection. In terms of an undergrad paper to kick around, that one would be relatively entertaining/educational.
1104
1105 O00000016a: has your standoff-watching come to an end?
1106
1107 O00000016a: Did I show up just after the crucial moment, or are you just keeping your keyboard in motion?
1108
1109 If you're less-than-riveted, I did post a new video to my youtube channel, and, unexpectedly, it's about veganism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfGQtAr0rFA
1110
1111 I now see why you're such a fan of the x-files, BTW. :-/ O00000016a
1112
1113 This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."
1114
1115 I assume that most of the regular channels have addressed it (Bite Size, etc.)?
1116
1117 vucket, remember O00000016a omniscum
1118
1119 vucket, remember O00000016a militia
1120
1121 Grr!
1122
1123 ;-)
1124
1125 vucket, remember O00000016a sounds
1126
1127 Bah!
1128
1129 Oh, that was grisher.
1130
1131 vucket, remember O00000016a twitter
1132
1133 !
1134
1135 So now what? Vucket mentions that whenever "twitter" comes up?
1136
1137 Twitter
1138
1139 Vucket, O00000016a quotes
1140
1141 Now there's a quotation. :-/
1142
1143 .mm vucket
1144
1145 vucket, remember justin_timeforcake literally
1146
1147 .seen O00000016a
1148
1149 The last time I logged in here, O00000016a was dominating the discussion with his avid following of the minutiae of "The Oregon Standoff". I assume that's now past-tense.
1150
1151 I have to admit, this was not the interpretation of "egg vent" (adj. + noun) that I initially applied to the phrase.
1152
1153 Not so different from the comments direct at Jessica Nanners, etc.; pretty much everyone online is the recipient of unwanted sexual attention (and I presume at least SOME of it is unwanted by Sakars… well… I don't know what kind of attention he's hoping for at this point).
1154
1155 zhaey… was that an actual quotation?
1156
1157 This managed to pull 300 views in 15 hours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfGQtAr0rFA
1158
1159 I respect the hell out of the audience. There's really nothing but a raw monologue there (not even a single edit in that tape).
1160
1161 Heartborne: are you in the U.S.?  Francione's views certainly have influence _right now_ in the U.S. (demonizing single issue causes, etc.), but I'd be surprised to hear, e.g., that they made a dent in England.
1162
1163 As an example, BTW, I don't see how anyone who (really) literally opposes all single-issue causes could fell malevolence toward (e.g.) London Vegan Actions here, holding a demo against foie gras. Yes, in theory, it would be bad/absurd to be anti-foie-gras while still eating veal… but they're vegan (they're not eating veal, etc.), so, frankly, why b
1164
1165 e a killjoy (à la Gary Francione)? https://youtu.be/DwwaSpy_ZB8
1166
1167 Heartborne: I don't really understand what the formatting (in green text) here indicates, but to answer your question: yes, people send me e-mail (etc.).
1168
1169 zhaey: "never rock the mic with the pantyhose". http://genius.com/Beastie-boys-sure-shot-lyrics
1170
1171 Heartborne: ah, right, so you're the guy from Portugal (sorry, I find fake-names hard to remember)… that is rather astounding to hear that Francione has so much influence there.  In general, I wonder if Portuguese vegans are under "Californian cultural influence".
1172
1173 Politically, I would expect a lot of that Brazilian pseudo-Communist "back-to-the-land", "small-plot-farm" ideology to be circulating… but Francione is, really, a surprise. I think Francione is primarily appealing to people who are pissed off with P.E.T.A., R.S.P.C.A., etc.; and, I suppose, he appeals to people who like uncompromising and extreme s
1174
1175 tatements in general.
1176
1177 Over the next few years, I assume I'll become familiar with the ideological properties of Japanese veganism. I made a bit of a study of Taiwanese veganism while that island was part of my life, I suppose.
1178
1179 bunniesandguac: I've still never met "bunga". I'm still not sure if this is just a metaphorical concept or not (on this IRC).
1180
1181 Ping jsakars
1182
1183 Oh, yeah, Heartborne, the situation for veganism in Japan is DEPRESSINGLY bleak. I've already made at least one video talking about it.
1184
1185 .seen jsakars
1186
1187 Here, I just wrote to him (as you guys are constantly clamoring for something like this)>
1188
1189 Hi John. I'm a participant in a vegan discussion-forum (an IRC room/channel) where the question I most frequently get asked is, "Can anyone get John Sakars to come here?"
1190
1191 Apparently, you did visit the group once about four months ago (using the name "jsakars"), and they still remember that.
1192
1193 So, I just though I'd let you know, the regular users over at:
1194
1195 https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.snoonet.org/vegan/
1196
1197 Are still big fans of your work, and would be delighted to talk/interact with you.  At least three or four of the regular, also, are Canadian, I'd note.
1198
1199 Heartborne, for your amusement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1oTxFmyiw
1200
1201 BTW, directly quoting from Sakars: "It's been 17 months since I worked at a job, and I'm loving it. I have lots of time to do activism and work on my videos." Uh… so I guess that means long-term unemployment (for him). :-/
1202
1203 .pp joining the army
1204
1205 Well, SOME branches of the military require intelligence and near-zero physical strength. More and more of it just consists of looking at maps, and using computer interfaces, as you can imagine. Here's a completely unbiased view provided by a recruitment video: https://youtu.be/pfg4xDn7WPI?t=44s
1206
1207 *COMPLETELY UNBIASED AND ACCURATE*
1208
1209 Re: "join sea shepherd" One of the vegans here in Victoria joined sea-shepherd (a few months ago). I assume he's on the boat right now.
1210
1211 Well, as you know, xeLk, I'm (overtly) not-anti-capitalist (and, on the contrary, I'm overtly anti-Communist). So our perspectives differ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5S1dGEC_-U+
1212
1213 .urban tfw
1214
1215 Magnanimity: as that video remarks very briefly, the comparison is asymmetrical. Communism is a specific social system, with a specific philosophy attached to it; by contrast, Capitalism is a very broad category of practices, including places as fundamentally different as Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Sweden and China (in 2016). So, basically, my reply is 
1216
1217 to say that I don't evaluate capitalism "as a philosophy"
1218
1219 Capitalism has the significant advantage of being flexible enough to include other social systems within it: religious communities routinely do operate communes within the U.S., and political groups have done so also, etc. This flexibility, openness to diversity, and pragmatic approach to problem solving are fundamental advantages of capitalism… bu
1220
1221 t, again, Saudi Arabia is (de facto) a capitalist country, and nobody in this IRC would want to live in Saudi Arabia for any length of time (etc.).
1222
1223 .seen a-bas-le-ciel
1224
1225 O00000016a: How was x-files? (If you know what I mean, and I think that you do.)
1226
1227 s/curls/gurls
1228
1229 .yt jive turkeys Grip Grand DOOM
1230
1231 Serious question and yet really fairly silly: does anyone either (1) have a poster, or (2) have a specific suggestion for a poster I can order that would replace the poster in the background for all of my videos? Under heading 1, it would mean actually mailing me the poster or flag in question. It would need to be pretty big. https://www.youtube.co
1232
1233 m/watch?v=KfGQtAr0rFA
1234
1235 .urban cmwc
1236
1237 Sam, are you also a message-carrier (so to speak)?
1238
1239 Y'all know V. Rev. is a message carrier in London (as of the last I heard).
1240
1241 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU46nvzX5Qw
1242
1243 BTW, zeroes, you seemed to be away from the keyboard for this minor q: Serious question and yet really fairly silly: does anyone either (1) have a poster, or (2) have a specific suggestion for a poster I can order that would replace the poster in the background for all of my videos? Under heading 1, it would mean actually mailing me the poster or f
1244
1245 lag in question. It would need to be pretty big. O00000016a
1246
1247 O00000016a: dunno. I really thought about ordering a Qing dynasty flag… but the sad fact is that I'm not learning Chinese anymore. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Flag_of_the_Qing_dynasty_%281889-1912%29.svg/800px-Flag_of_the_Qing_dynasty_%281889-1912%29.svg.png
1248
1249 This room = 10 heterosexual men, two of them pretending to be women, making dick-jokes, asking for nudes, and proposing marriage to one-another (to get U.S. citizenship). IN A NUTSHELL.
1250
1251 xeLk: Nah, I get teh proposal from teh vegan single moms.
1252
1253 mloy, re: "can we talk about vegan shoes". Yes, but only if you're willing to shout over the dick-joke contest.
1254
1255 At a distance, it wouldn't look like much of anything, O00000016a. It just wouldn't turn up on camera.
1256
1257 bunniesandguac: Who are you talking to?  Apparently it isn't blood-wiper, as I currently don't have him set to "ignore".
1258
1259 bunniesandguac: Presumably, you've just been having an argument with someone who blocks me? Or else that was the world's most incoherent poem, written extempore on your part.
1260
1261 Ah, so this explains why I've never met/seen bunga.
1262
1263 Apparently he/she has been blocking me for all of this time.
1264
1265 Bunga is not even on the list of  users for me…
1266
1267 …and the name has never been highlighted for me, etc.
1268
1269 …so it is not just the usual "ignore" option.
1270
1271 So, hilariously, I guess you've been interacting with bunga "in front of me", and assuming I understood the in-jokes (or complaints, etc.), but I had no idea, all this time.
1272
1273 .seen bunga
1274
1275 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eer4jbZ6Uvk
1276
1277 O00000016a: What I am actually listening to (while doing supposedly-respectable research for the Uni): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP8kCKZVJ1U&list=PL3B6CEC8AE48D4A55
1278
1279 Their quality-of-execution (lyrically) is actually a lot more amateurish than most of the stuff I listen to… but it is sort of a refreshing change at this point.
1280
1281 .seen O00000016a
1282
1283 BTW, you may have missed this one in the shuffle (even though I know you listen to vlad's interviews, etc.). O00000016ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcJ_szc3TEA
1284
1285 Whoops. That didn't work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcJ_szc3TEA O00000016a
1286
1287 Sam, I spent enough time in the U.K. to understand the sticker-book phenomenon; I was also in Thailand during the "Jatukam" (collectible religion icon) phenomenon.
1288
1289 Here, see what I mean? Not really so different. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFrhXB6Ce_Q
1290
1291 I could actually read Pali (the ancient language on the amulets, etc.), and not only is the text generally meaningless, but they often have spelling errors for very obvious words, such as "Buddha".
1292
1293 But, yeah: very collectible, etc.
1294
1295 Sam, I think you'd look great with a Pali tattoo… but not on the face or neck (protip).
1296
1297 Sam, non-ironically, I do happen to have a Youtube video on this very topic, on my own channel (I've given advice on tattoos a few times over the years)., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4lrR6_GeZQ
1298
1299 Well… someone just complained today that I should get a pop filer, Sam. But that just would not be as real and raw as technologically possible, hm? ;-)
1300
1301 .g genius "never rock the mic with the panty hose"
1302
1303 O00000016a: "never rock the mic with the panty hose". http://genius.com/Beastie-boys-ill-communication-lyrics
1304
1305 vucket, O00000016a <reply> Too many zeroes.
1306
1307 Vucket, sous vide <reply> Y'know, like, children are starving in Africa. SOMEWHERE in Africa.
1308
1309 Are you guys debating how zeroes should "dope" for his upcoming cycling race, or what?
1310
1311 Durianrider cares so much that you avoid steroids, that he used steroids himself. True fact. Durianrider is the doping Jesus, except he's neither died for your sins, nor risen from the dead.
1312
1313 http://www.peta.org/blog/republican-vegans-eating-rogue/
1314
1315 elyukayee: You live a pretty sheltered life. If you actually talk to people of diverse backgrounds, professions, etc., you'll meet good and bad under pretty much every heading and category.
1316
1317 But, TBH, I have no idea who is 17 and who is 47 on this IRC, so I should avoid commenting.
1318
1319 http://www.vegangirl.com/vegan-republicans-unite-all-2-of-us.html
1320
1321 The tireless "journalists" at Huffington Posts were there: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rich-karlgaard/rise-up-vegan-republicans_b_485906.html
1322
1323 This one has answers written-in via the comments section, of people describing their conservative, vegan situations: https://meatyveganblog.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/right-wing-conservative-republican-vegan-wanted-govegan/comment-page-1/
1324
1325 Great, now everyone on this IRC is admitting that they're a closet Republican. ;-) See what happens when you give people a chance? Tolerance is an under-rated virtue.
1326
1327 Actual example of a vegan who is "pro" Donald Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG7eJRZmm70
1328
1329 I'm an ex-Green-Party member; a few of my Youtube videos comment on that history (and the rather pathetic history of that party in Canada).
1330
1331 Re: "on a somewhat related note, damn we've reached 7.4 billion bodies" … what is the website you're measuring, vegan_eggbeaters?
1332
1333 Oh, I see… "7.4 billion" isn't  a measurement of web-traffic… I assume this is a measure of animals consumer per day (or something of the kind). (Sorry: no context, original comment was unclear to me.)
1334
1335 .seen zhaey
1336
1337 .seen bunniesandguac
1338
1339 'Sup.
1340
1341 Any members of the usual Sam Harris fan club here tonight? (I see Bunnies is absent.)
1342
1343 Hey man, I'm vegan: sheeple have animal right, too.
1344
1345 Stop wearing clothing made out of the oppression of sheeple. (Secretly terrified this will catch on.)
1346
1347 Tried to give an honest and spontaneous review of Sam Harris's book. It isn't a masterpiece (i.e., my own video isn't a masterpiece… my opinion of S.H.'s book is in the video). https://youtu.be/h6oIf1kz-Y4
1348
1349 I just uploaded the video 5 min ago; give it a chance, you might hate it, morchella. ;-)
1350
1351 s/hole/hold
1352
1353 Rehearsing for my day job, as an MC/DJ/stand-up-comic/impressario, here at the local casino.
1354
1355 .urban impressario
1356
1357 Ha ha ha!
1358
1359 No "urbandictionary" definition of impressario!
1360
1361 He is actually named in both videos (in passing): Joseph Goldstein. O00000016
1362
1363 I don't recall how I used the word "exponentially" in the video. I mis-speak a few times in the recording. morchella
1364
1365 I generally laugh at myself when I mis-speak, etc., as you may have noticed.
1366
1367 I googled it, bostonsonoma: it turns out that the word "medism" already exists (with an unrelated meaning).
1368
1369 O00000016a: but people unsubscribe all the time, too. I don't mind (really: unsubscribing is also positive)… but you have to remember…
1370
1371 …we're still talking about a core of circa 200 people who show up, etc.
1372
1373 …and the majority of new subscribers will find my opinions either boring or repugnant.
1374
1375 Like, even you, for example, zeroes, might have become enraged and unsubscribed when you heard my views on Styles P.
1376
1377 O00000016a: Ah, so my use of "exponentially" was in the phrase, "exponentially more intelligent than Joe Rogan." ;-)
1378
1379 The laws of arithmetic may not apply precisely to Joe Rogan.
1380
1381 ^ full stop, period, drops mic.
1382
1383 Sup.
1384
1385 Re: "Ood from Doctor Who with your sphere-thing?" I have thought about that myself, although nobody has said it to me, because that is THE ONLY episode of that show I've ever seen (by strange coincidence) during my adult life (and I probably saw it in an airport or hotel room, etc.).
1386
1387 Alas, this is not the whole story; a little more reading, and you'll find that M.O.V.E. was far from blameless. They refused to pay their utility bills, and the one-and-only reason why the authorities were forced to act against them was their refusal to pay their utility bills. They also intentionally broke other laws to make everyone in the neighb
1388
1389 orhood hate and fear them, such as doing exercises with guns in public, i.e., military style exercises with (fake) rifles/machine-guns, etc. It's an interesting episode in American history.
1390
1391 Long story short: if you want to form a cult-like commune, (1) you can't expect to force city hall to pay your utility bills for you, and (2) alienating your neighbors more than is inevitable (e.g., with public display of armaments, etc.) is a terrible idea, even in the (gun-toting) U.S.A.
1392
1393 Vol, they didn't drop it over "a suburban neighborhood", they dropped it over "a fortified bunker occupied by members of MOVE".   That's a significant difference, hm?
1394
1395 Yes, but the police used force (i.e., destroying the bunker) after M.O.V.E. had already been engaging in gunfire, etc., to all reports. http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/14/us/police-drop-bomb-on-radicals-home-in-philadelphia.html?pagewanted=all
1396
1397 Yes, some people claim the police shot first, but (guess what?) that doesn't justify the fact that M.O.V.E. shot at all: they had no legitimate reason to build a fortified bunker and engage in gunplay with police… and, reciprocally, given that they did so, they can hardly be surprised at the use of the helicopter, explosives, etc.
1398
1399 Summary of the situation: group of crazed, armed radicals refuse to pay their utility bills. City eventually has to evict them or claim payment for unpaid bills. Group brandishes weapons and refuses to pay. Situation escalates, police eventually use deadly force.
1400
1401 Re: "and they got the reaction they wanted". That's part of the problem. They wanted to instigate violence, and they got what they wanted; that makes it their fault.
1402
1403 And, yeah: refusal to pay your utility bills is not a righteous cause.
1404
1405 But, yeah, the more fundamental point is what zeroes said earlier: anarcho-primitivism isn't cool anymore. ;-0
1406
1407 s/;-0/;-)
1408
1409 Correction, <a-bas-le-ciel> But, yeah, the more fundamental point is what zeroes said earlier: anarcho-primitivism isn't cool anymore. ;-)
1410
1411 Yeah, as I vaguely alluded to in the first place, the more you read non-Wikipedia sources, the worse M.O.V.E. sounds. The police did use non-lethal methods first, i.e., tear-gas, etc.
1412
1413 The essence of the police plan was to get close to the house, force an entry and fill it with tear gas to flush out the occupants.
1414
1415 From 5:50 a.m. until 11 a.m., the Fire Department had blasted the house with two water cannons, shooting 1,000 gallons a minute to disable two fortified bunkers on the roof and to knock down wooden shielding that had been placed on the home's walls.
1416
1417 Source for the quote above: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/How_the_bomb_decision_was_made.html
1418
1419 It was only after all of this, and more, that the police used the helicopter-bombardment option. Quote, "When police knocked a hole in the basement wall at 6219, they were met with a fusillade of gunfire that caused them to retreat."
1420
1421 So, yeah, it was a standoff… and not even the first standoff for M.O.V.E. (as they played out a similar scenario earlier, in the 1970s, also involving gunfire, etc.).
1422
1423 O00000016a: google has the answer. "The Ford Edge" is made exclusively in Canada. :-/ http://www.theautonet.com/en/2014/07/01/10-cars-made-only-in-canada
1424
1425 'Sup.
1426
1427 Re: "why would anyone work for a PRO vivisection group???" I have met some of those people on the internet, and I've spoken to one I.R.L. There are people who convince themselves that scientific progress requires vivisection, and anyone who (thus) opposes scientific progress is the moral equivalent of I.S.I.S.
1428
1429 iceroll: to whom (or what website) are you referring in particular here? Quote, "they keep doing these ridiculously one-sided "expert panels""
1430
1431 Ca. 10 years ago = "Oxford prepares for first pro-vivisection protest" http://www.theguardian.com/education/2006/feb/24/research.highereducation
1432
1433 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-Test
1434
1435 Quote, "In February 2011, five years after its first rally, Pro-Test wound up its activities, saying it had "successfully met its goals of defending the construction of the Oxford Lab, increasing awareness of the importance of animal research, and bringing the public on-side in support of life-saving medical research." Its US-based spin-off, Speaki
1436
1437 ng of Research, remained active in the UK and US."
1438
1439 vucket
1440
1441 .help
1442
1443 I took a look at that doc, test12, and I've decided that I'm not going to learn how to encode in Vucket-ese. :-/
1444
1445 Ha ha… someone posted by book review (of Sam Harris) to /r/samharris. Wasn't me. https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris
1446
1447 test12: We'll see. I think my earlier (long) rant about Sam Harris and Buddhism is about 50% thumbs-down votes, but, hey, the glass is half full, right? ;-)
1448
1449 test12: It really depends on what you're interested in. Not all of my videos are about veganism.
1450
1451 If you're asking for a video to share with a fellow vegan, I guess the recent one on the U.N. could be a good introduction-of-sorts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR0l05GsA1U
1452
1453 In terms of "a video I'm proud of", obviously, e.g., my relatively-unpopular videos on Chinese politics were vastly more work than my videos on veganism, e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l4kHbeRrFs
1454
1455 …and, yeah, the videos on Buddhism reflect years of work / time wasted. :-/
1456
1457 The videos made without the mic have evidently lower audio-quality, e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x-IJlJwGVI
1458
1459 (But, hey, I have the free use of both my hands in those videos… for more action-packed monologues on-screen.)
1460
1461 I have a video on that subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTA_4zDa8r0
1462
1463 Basically, it doesn't seem like a sudden change in my life, because my own version of "strictly vegetarian" (before I became vegan) was very close to vegan…
1464
1465 …and I had been living in Cambodia, etc.
1466
1467 Re: "Were you raised vegetarian?" No, I'm the only veg*n of any kind in my family.
1468
1469 bunniesandguac: remember that guy sam… sam whathisname… sam harris?
1470
1471 I managed to compel myself to… uh… make a "book review" of S.H.'s "Waking Up". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6oIf1kz-Y4 bunniesandguac
1472
1473 Henh? Re: "that must have been blood" test12
1474
1475 Oh, right. Does he steal other people's identities out of boredom?
1476
1477 vegan_eggbeaters: congratulations, you are officially racist!
1478
1479 vegan_eggbeaters: claiming that "it's not racism, it's genetics" = even more  racist!
1480
1481 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5pnDkrCsDQ
1482
1483 .pp bunniesandguac
1484
1485 Speak truth to power, bunniesandguac.
1486
1487 There's a special place in Valhalla for people who have the patience to debate scentistic racism on the internets; I ain't one of them, so I have to settle for reincarnation inside a giant lotus plant in heaven, with the other second-rate Buddhists. :-/ bunniesandguac TELL THAT TO YOUR "WORLD RELIGIONS PROFESSOR"!
1488
1489 Hey, we've all got our prejudices, I just don't pretend to justify mine with "SCIENCE". And now, for something thematically related and yet completely different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxul87j24Vg
1490
1491 bunniesandguac: I really do sympathize with your side in this, I just don't see the point in trying to "speak truth" any further to this particular (tiny) audience on the issue. There's a lot of "cargo-cult science" out there… and, TBH, if you spend time with vegans, you'll hear tons of pseudoscience. But, hey, it's better than hanging out with fan
1492
1493 s of Sam Harris. ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6oIf1kz-Y4
1494
1495 bunniesandguac: Here in Canada, people live with conviction (absolute conviction) that First Nation (i.e., local indigenous people) have a genetic lack-of-capacity to cope with alcohol, and I have met and spoken with F.N. people who really believe this themselves. However, the real science shows the exact opposite: although there's a range of level
1496
1497 s-of-tolerance within the population, they have no genetic disadvantage compared to Europeans (in 2016). Still, there is a really deep cultural conviction/prejudice that they somehow react differently to alcohol…
1498
1499 …meanwhile, from the opposite end of the earth, I met a Japanese woman who actually has zero capacity to tolerate alcohol (a very rare genetic condition), and that condition can be tested for by just spraying alcohol on the skin (i.e., the reaction is so extreme). So, it is what it is.
1500
1501 https://youtu.be/qmlYe2KS0-Y?t=1m47s
1502
1503 morchella: Re: "everybody thinks their field is a good basis for understanding all the other ones", no, on the contrary, the very essence of being a SELF-HATING INTELLECTUAL is that you're aware of how deeply flawed your own field of study is, and how absurd its assumptions, etc. ;-)
1504
1505 realworld_thursday: Have we met on this IRC before? I have trouble remembering all of these fake names.
1506
1507 bunniesandguac: you should take a look at the ancient Buddhist creation myths, etc.; sensu stricto, "Creationism" is a broader category than just Christian Creationism. All of this shit about Buddhism being "scientific" is a strange contrast to the creation myth we have in the Buddhist Canon (specifically, in the Digha Nikaya).
1508
1509 https://youtu.be/Wf3jzDb4H7o?t=22s
1510
1511 .mm vegan-eggbeaters
1512
1513 .pp mx_missile_proof
1514
1515 ^ intentional irony. ;-)
1516
1517 http://www.timescolonist.com/thug-kitchen-vegan-bloggers-storm-foodie-nation-1.2152659
1518
1519 .seen O00000016a
1520
1521 I think zeroes finally got a job.
1522
1523 vucket, go away.
1524
1525 The youtuber known as "A Privileged Vegan" explains to you why she's anti-Israel (but not anti-Semitic, she promises/swears!). https://youtu.be/Ib3cjgO9ooE?t=5m25s
1526
1527 https://youtu.be/AzR_J6Hrrr4
1528
1529 https://youtu.be/gaTsM_ytAgU?t=48s
1530
1531 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQZEnutNLpI
1532
1533 s/lightbulb/nightclub
1534
1535 s/afk/rspca
1536
1537 Q: "how do you know if somebody is rspca?" A: They're interested in the protection of _certain_ animals.
1538
1539 ^^^ Francione-esque humor.
1540
1541 dervegan: hey hey.
1542
1543 dervegan: Mekong dolphins ain't cute. Nobody cares about them. That's why they're going extinct. Same with the giant Mekong catfish, etc. The practical issues outlined in that video are different for dolphins than they would be for minnows partly due to size, habitat constraints, etc. …
1544
1545 …dolphins are not equal to minnows in the minimum requirements for them to not-go-extinct…
1546
1547 …and elephants are not equal to rats in the minimum requirements for them to not-go-extinct…
1548
1549 …meanwhile, BTW, all kinds of impossibly cute animals are going extinct, and nobody care about them in the least.
1550
1551 The arctic / northern pika is extremely photogenic. Probably already extinct in 2016.
1552
1553 .bis northern pika
1554
1555 Nope, that's a Northern PIKE, not a PIKA.
1556
1557 There we go: https://www.google.ca/search?q=Northern+Pika&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjv_vG9gtHKAhUG9mMKHbGCDRcQsAQIJg&biw=1126&bih=978
1558
1559 dervegan: What you call "Nature" doesn't exist. That's just a human-created abstraction, too.
1560
1561 dervegan: It is, in fact, profoundly nonsensical to say "to nature they are equal", and I don't mean that in a catty or mean-spirited way at all. It makes more sense to say, "To Indra they are equal", i.e., Indra being a god nobody much worships anymore.
1562
1563 Theory should begin with facts and end with facts; ideology only serves as a means to pragmatic action. And, yeah, the action needed just to keep 20 elephants alive (in a world so crowded with humans) is really profoundly different from other species. Same with monkeys even, etc. Cf. that video I made about monkeys robbing the monastery, BTW. ;-) h
1564
1565 ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2cS517x3U4
1566
1567 dr_analog: Cool, man, thanks for taking the time to write in.
1568
1569 Pfff. This channel is totally for serious discussion.
1570
1571 I post serious links to Wu-Tang songs here all the time.
1572
1573 "Like Blue Steel… in a Sold Out Concert…" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOGpYzVmMJ0
1574
1575 MeatEater: circa 4 minutes of your time = https://youtu.be/QvJ9Vs85Z7Y?t=1m40s
1576
1577 test12: Assume the best, prepare for the worst. ;-)
1578
1579 Well, TBH, MeatEater, you don't have to care: you can just make a rational decision, based on available information.
1580
1581 Nei Degrasse Tyson = same camp as Elon Musk, etc. vegan_eggbeaters
1582
1583 The U.N. standard for "sustainability" presumes that consumption of resources only needs to be slowed to the point where technological progress can render the exploitation of resources meaningless, etc.
1584
1585 test12: And yet, I think, the lessons will last a lifetime. ;-)
1586
1587 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_sunshade
1588
1589 "A sunshade is of particular interest towards mitigating global warming through solar radiation management."
1590
1591 Magnanimity: I assume he had household servants, and the servants were not vegetarian.
1592
1593 Re: "a lot of the great thinkers were".  No, really, if you're being honest with yourself, ethical veganism has been astoundingly rare in the history of the world, and ethical vegetarianism is already amazingly rare/scarce in the historical record.
1594
1595 mloy: no, Saskatchewan is the exception, re: "standard time" vs. "daylight savings".
1596
1597 (Within Canada, that is.)
1598
1599 test12: It's really simple: nobody talks to anyone else… and our train system is terrible and/or non-existent… so nobody notices all the time-zones. :-/
1600
1601 Yeah, you can read/watch many interviews with Ai Weiwei translated into English, elyukayee
1602
1603 …however, he is more famous in the western world than he is within China.
1604
1605 Even Chinese people who are interested in politics often have never heard of the guy, etc.
1606
1607 Too long. :-/ http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/No-Nostalgia-for-Laos.html
1608
1609 Me? https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
1610
1611 .urban big meat
1612
1613 .urban wap
1614
1615 .urban NSA
1616
1617 .urban OED
1618
1619 Oh, sorry, I was looking for the vegan chatroom. This is the Arch-Linux admit room, right? (Footsteps)
1620
1621 s/admit/admin
1622
1623 Correction, <a-bas-le-ciel> Oh, sorry, I was looking for the vegan chatroom. This is the Arch-Linux admin room, right? (Footsteps)
1624
1625 O00000016a: I had optimistically assumed you got a job, girlfriend, or meat-eating habit.*
1626
1627 * [Two out of three are optimistic.]
1628
1629 O00000016a: Oh, yeah, while you were lacking electricity, my youtube channel continued its downward spiral into alienating 90% of the vegans who could possibly enjoy watching it. ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQZEnutNLpI
1630
1631 kenhamlovesu: It would be too long. :-/ Did you catch my 15 minutes on Sam Harris?
1632
1633 I mean the book review, posted just yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6oIf1kz-Y4
1634
1635 The sad thing is that, fundamentally, if nobody gives a damn about Buddhism, then they sincerely see nothing wrong with Harris's misrepresentation of Buddhism (and everything else), etc.  https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/4397g0/sam_harris_waking_up_book_review_%C3%A0basleciel/
1636
1637 When I spoke directly with Sam Harris fans before (i.e., a few months ago), it seemed to be difficult to get them to admit (to themselves) that Sam Harris really is "a Buddhist", and is writing about Buddhism, making claims about Buddhism, etc.
1638
1639 Believe me, I would enjoy talking about Harris MORE if he actually were writing as a skeptic… but he isn't. He's a true believer. And he's a believer in a podunk-ignorant (debased) version of the religion.
1640
1641 That is actually a funny joke, kenhamlovesu, but 0.0001% of people could get it.
1642
1643 Nah. morchella I'm aware of it, and I've had a few conversations about it with guys who lived there, etc.
1644
1645 .bis artibonite valley
1646
1647 .g artibonite valley
1648
1649 Sam: u.k. = full of vegan females. Start hanging out with London Vegan Actions, and you'll be married in no time. https://www.youtube.com/user/veganactivistsisters/videos
1650
1651 .urban mandy
1652
1653 Sam Harris = Rick Ross of the professional Atheist game. Glamorizing drugs for the kids. And for bored housewives, I guess. :-/
1654
1655 https://youtu.be/VNYk60vA118
1656
1657 BTW, you guys already know about this? "Forest Green". http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/30/football/world-health-organization-meat-vegan-football/
1658
1659 It would be cool if you could get a reasonably-priced Forest Green shirt/jersey as an INDIRECT way of identifying as vegan…
1660
1661 …but you can't. :-(
1662
1663 Stuck with BDUs and Pumas. :-/
1664
1665 Naw, man, check the prices (plus shipping to Canada): https://shop.forestgreenroversfc.com/forestgreenrovers/asp/bookTickets.asp?dept=Shop
1666
1667 And nobody would know what the hell you were repping.
1668
1669 Anyway, they're the only vegan team out (correct me if I'm wrong).
1670
1671 Arright, this one ain't bad (assuming shipping doesn't cost a fortune): https://shop.forestgreenroversfc.com/forestgreenrovers/asp/displayProductDetail.asp?id={EF1E9CF3-1674-4BC1-9594-638233BC2E88}
1672
1673 Ah, out of stock anyway.
1674
1675 Back to Chinese foreign policy.
1676
1677 Pff.
1678
1679 I'll have to get something branded by an obscure Japanese vegan group.
1680
1681 I don't even know what "group" means in that sentence.
1682
1683 .yt rick ross black white
1684
1685 .yt NAS & RICK ROSS - ACCIDENT MURDERER
1686
1687 O00000016a: https://hangouts.google.com/call/xtdocnoq67j23a3oddod6yanhaa
1688
1689 O00000016a:
1690
1691 .seen a-bas-le-ciel
1692
1693 .seen bunga
1694
1695 socksy|ded: This is my first time "seeing" Bunga, and I just wanted to check to affirm whether or not it was really him/her. Bunga's absence has been mentioned here many times, and I don't know why.
1696
1697 .seen a-bas-le-ciel
1698
1699 Comparison is a method that presumes significant difference between the two things being compared; the same disagreement you're having is vastly less polite when people argue (e.g.) about whether or not (vegan) comparative allusions to the holocaust are permissible, etc.
1700
1701 There are social-science methods to measure the effectiveness ("outcomes") of political activism and other forms of intervention; however, most groups claiming to have effective methods are not sincerely interested in such measurements. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFFkKWzu1Go
1702
1703 Hey, there are people at P.E.T.A. who sincerely believe that having half-naked women appear in posters/photographs is effective activism; genuine disagreements about this stuff exist and persist.
1704
1705 O00000016a burned the midnight oil on google-chat/hangouts with us last night. I only know that because I'm in another time-zone.
1706
1707 socksy|ded: Well, you can take a look at the complete horse-shit on DxE's website (i.e., in essay format) and decide for  yourself if you find any of it convincing. :-/  https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=DxE
1708
1709 Meanwhile, in PETA-land… https://cryptome.org/info/nudity-protests/pict29.jpg
1710
1711 Yet more of what PETA considers "effective activism": http://proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/peta-nude-protest.jpg
1712
1713 I assume this next photograph is from somewhere in Europe where public nudity is not illegal: http://www.peta.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bare-skin-naked-demo.jpg
1714
1715 Vucket = always asking the difficult questions.
1716
1717 socksy|ded: Yeah, it was bullshit in many different ways, and that is one of them…
1718
1719 …but it also just chooses to ignore the vast majority of people who find what DxE does repugnant, stupid and laughable. And who really are laughing at them.
1720
1721 Less than one minute long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvrkmOgL09o
1722
1723 It's ALL ABOUT LENGTH, tell 'em, vucket.
1724
1725 bunniesandguac: The mysterious bunga was here.
1726
1727 How did vucket learn the word "deontological"?
1728
1729 Quote, "All of the male-identified eggs will be removed from the hatchery, leaving only the female ones to hatch. The male eggs will be used for other products, instead of being destroyed.
1730
1731 Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/24/germany-becomes-the-first-country-to-ban-disturbing-chick-shredding-practice-from-egg-industry-5459759/#ixzz3yrKgosPg
1732
1733 SnaquilleOatmeal: Where do you teach? (i.e., what continent/country.)
1734
1735 bostonsonoma: I've influenced at least one of my professors to try to become vegan.
1736
1737 It happens.
1738
1739 Not everyone is an idiot.
1740
1741 .urban li
1742
1743 .seen O00000016a
1744
1745 SnaquilleOatmeal: You have just implicitly admitted that you're single. Unless you got a new boyfriend a week later.
1746
1747 SnaquilleOatmeal: This chat-room is predominantly populated by single, male Linux administrators. Expect attention accordingly. ;-)
1748
1749 ^^ Nope. https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
1750
1751 .urban sarcasm
1752
1753 arabchic: Not everyone on the internet is anonymous. I use my real name and my real face. When people want to know more about me, I link accordingly. You should try it. Yeah, I've seen you on this IRC before. Yet I know nothing about you. You play by your rules, and I play by mine; but it's the same game.
1754
1755 socksy|ded: I think I need more of a long-term career than cult-leadership could provide.  And, of course, the job is only as interesting as the people you work with. And that can be a problem.
1756
1757 socksy|ded: If you're talking about a life cut tragically short, yes.
1758
1759 http://www.thefader.com/2009/01/12/n-o-r-e-goes-vegan --I'm not sure if N.O.R.E. is now an ex-vegan, or if he had just been part-time vegan all along.
1760
1761 Yeah, N.O.R.E. now has a new cooking show (or restaurant-review show)… it ain't vegan.
1762
1763 http://wdmv362radio.com/News/n-o-r-e-talks-new-food-show-mobb-deep-vince-staples-and-more-vide?context=tag-hip+hop
1764
1765 So I guess he counts as ex-vegan at this point. :-/ D.J. Whiteowl was also vegan for a while, but perhaps just to lose weight, etc.
1766
1767 .yt lil b evil red flame
1768
1769 However, that wasn't the song I was trying to link to, TBH. morchella
1770
1771 benyqpid: So you're another member from B.C.? We've got at least three or four people here (regularly) from B.C., I think.
1772
1773 .yt lil b turned me cold god's father
1774
1775 http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2015/10/Lil-B-on-being-vegan.html
1776
1777 https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/IlsXHm1jQo2x4KW5x2yw
1778
1779 .urban nooch
1780
1781 .urban ppk
1782
1783 .seen O00000016a
1784
1785 seen O00000016a
1786
1787 .seen O00000016a
1788
1789 Ha ha… I guess the electricity came back on in N.S.
1790
1791 Electricity is not vegan. http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/electrocuted-squirrel-blamed-for-n-s-power-outage-1.2757967
1792
1793 .seen fear
1794
1795 Vegan Ovaltine = Vega Sport + Chocolate flavor.  Only $50 per cannister. :-/
1796
1797 Yeah, I know that stuff, benyqpid (hazelnut water)… a high-fat food, to be sure.
1798
1799 O00000016a: they let you have electricity again? ;-)
1800
1801 O00000016a: Just so you know: that electricity is non-vegan. http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/electrocuted-squirrel-blamed-for-n-s-power-outage-1.2757967
1802
1803 Tudelu: 'Sup.
1804
1805 Next up: Michael Shermer (I admit, Sam Harris gets mentioned). https://youtu.be/gMz_5L0aLDk
1806
1807 Re: "people think veganism is a health fad". THE THOUSAND YEAR HEALTH FAD. LONG MAY IT REIGN.
1808
1809 Is it too soon to write a weight-look book called, "The Potato Famine Diet"?  Perhaps too late. :-/
1810
1811 http://cocainediet.com/
1812
1813 Yeah, hell… did Paltrow ever make a public statement/apology/explanation?  I can't remember one.
1814
1815 I've read a few lame excuses from actresses ("I just couldn't do it", etc.).
1816
1817 I take it there's less interest/rancor directed toward Michael Shermer than Sam Harris amongst the patrons of this IRC?
1818
1819 The Rubin Report was there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRGyvFykakI
1820
1821 My "short" video on him (i.e., against him) turned out to be 20 minutes long. :-/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMz_5L0aLDk
1822
1823 I really considered making a shorter video… but, TBH, I think the effect is more insulting/dismissive if you just sort of pop in and pop out.
1824
1825 dabiq: Any particular reason why you say he's "not a skeptic". I'm asking with genuine interest, as I feel this way about Sam Harris (i.e., S.H. is REALLY not a Skeptic in relation to Buddhism & meditation).
1826
1827 Do you want to add that to vucket's omniscum quotation list? "dolphins and whales have big brains and they're cool" (etc.)? It's a rare case of a quotation with a known source.
1828
1829 That is actually a strangely provocative quotation: "I'm pretty sure that ethics is by its very definition without facts. " (0_o)
1830
1831 mloy: I'm about that life.
1832
1833 Blood-Wiper: Black label? Gold label? Red label? ("We don't believe you, you need more people.")
1834
1835 There is no "d" in pigeon, vucket
1836
1837 omni quotes
1838
1839 .wouldyou
1840
1841 .wouldyou
1842
1843 Who programmed this bot? Programmer, this conversation isn't very good.
1844
1845 Nope.
1846
1847 Morchella, what up.
1848
1849 I have some idle curiosity as to what time-zone will be represented here when I log in at such hours.
1850
1851 In case of boredom, break glass (just filmed and uploaded this this-evening): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMz_5L0aLDk
1852
1853 Cool cool.
1854
1855 Haven't seen this particular practice before: https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10574313_544500175725985_6068170490110728520_n.jpg?oh=6173cb4950bd30912311492277b91073&oe=57265EB3
1856
1857 Doesn't make sense as a method of transporting the pigs… nor of feeding them, etc. Hard to figure out.
1858
1859 morchella: Are you referring to the photo?
1860
1861 A vegan, zhaey
1862
1863 Hi, test12.
1864
1865 I've been really exhausted lately, and (THEREFORE) recording a lot of videos. ;-) Strange but true. https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
1866
1867 Re: "you should post it to the reddit".  If you want the karma, and/or to laugh at the comments, you could post it to reddit yourself. ;-)
1868
1869 I managed to successfully draw some Sam Harris fans to my youtube channel lately, by posting to /r/atheist.
1870
1871 Cool.
1872
1873 What is this? No avalanche of hate-mail? https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/4410ic/vegans_vs_what_about_farm_workers/
1874
1875 Vol-AFK: Yeah, first diploma is in political science…
1876
1877 …read a ton of philosophy, both European and Asian, and you can find echoes of that scattered around the internet.
1878
1879 One of my undergraduate essays on Schopenahuer is still online, and I still get fan-mail about it from time to time.
1880
1881 Re: "You seem not proud of that." Correct. :-/
1882
1883 O00000016a: "the only hate you'll get will be from veganrevolution"… I don't think he actually disagrees with anything I've been saying… lately or perhaps ever.
1884
1885 Amazingly, my name still appears in the citations for the Wikipedia article on Schopenhauer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Schopenhauer Vol-AFK
1886
1887 test12: I use my real (legal) name on everything.  I thought you knew. e.g. www.eisel-mazard.com
1888
1889 It's cool.
1890
1891 Vol-AFK: No, Schopenhauer promoted his work by massively exaggerating the connection to Kant…
1892
1893 …there's basically one quotation from Kant that inspired him, but even then, Schopenhauer made something completely different out of it, etc.
1894
1895 However, yeah, Schopenhauer himself claims that his connection to Kant is of some kind of monumental importance. And that's pretty much bullshit, but hey… that's the showbusiness aspect of philosophy, I suppose.
1896
1897 Ha ha ha… what?
1898
1899 http://pali.pratyeka.org/Mazard.jpg
1900
1901 ^ That one = me in a monastery in Sri Lanka.
1902
1903 I think zeroes already noticed that I stopped wearing glasses years ago. So I'm much younger in anything with me wearing glasses, etc.
1904
1905 Ha ha ha… that's a great headline: "Straight Edge Friend Total Scumbag in Every Other Way Possible".
1906
1907 Oh, so you force her to have a HUMAN name? A name that HUMANS gave her? You are just another speciesist oppressor, vegan_eggbeaters… you should call her by her real name, which is clearly, "baaa".
1908
1909 ^ Already filled with dread that this will somehow be quoted out of context / read without humor. :-(
1910
1911 vucket, undo
1912
1913 vucket, delete
1914
1915 vucket, forget that
1916
1917 True enough. :-/
1918
1919 http://www.njwight.com/wp-content/uploads/galleries/post-1335/wight_goatseyes.jpg
1920
1921 <a-bas-le-ciel> How did vucket learn the word "deontological"?
1922
1923 <a-bas-le-ciel> This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."
1924
1925 <a-bas-le-ciel> This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."
1926
1927 a-bas-le-ciel quotes <reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> How did vucket learn the word "deontological"?|1 more
1928
1929 a-bas-le-ciel quotes <reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> How did vucket learn the word "deontological"?|1 more
1930
1931 Yeah, TBH test12, I'd prefer if that particular joke were deleted, because it makes no sense out of context anyway. (i.e., HUMAN name, etc.)
1932
1933 Sort of a shame that vegan_eggbeaters blocks me, given the efforts I made at mending fences with her (and actually addressing her complaints in one of my videos, etc.).
1934
1935 vucket, remember vegan_eggbeaters scum
1936
1937 (lol)
1938
1939 Hi. Just back from school.
1940
1941 xeLk: Any excuse to mention Sam Harris, hm? ;-)
1942
1943 Blood-Wiper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCU8gbX1Eg8
1944
1945 .whoishere
1946
1947 (Yeah, I know that isn't a real command.)
1948
1949 I'm listening to the U.S. side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UlVEDTkniA
1950
1951 Under 10 minutes long, for a change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CSW34maYbk
1952
1953 Ugh… vegan crayons. :-/ http://emilyweaverbrownphoto.com/blog/?p=1008
1954
1955 Yeah… :-( That's what I'm fretting about, comfortablytrev.
1956
1957 The mainstream brands, such as Crayola, are made of animals.
1958
1959 That's what I said. :-/
1960
1961 Sam, it isn't the same when they become vegan _FOR YOU_. :-/ It wouldn't be the same (vice-versa) if you became vegan for them, either.
1962
1963 https://youtu.be/IDWLTcc-NU4?t=1m2s
1964
1965 https://youtu.be/Su68N-Ijlrg?t=22m10s
1966
1967 https://www.youtube.com/user/coreygilshuster/videos
1968
1969 ^ relevant.
1970
1971 .seen O00000016a
1972
1973 https://youtu.be/ysotdp5TyvM?t=12s
1974
1975 .seen
1976
1977 .seen Australians
1978
1979 Exactly.
1980
1981 What time zone are you on, Blood-Wiper
1982
1983 ?
1984
1985 'Sup 'cella.
1986
1987 I'm learning Japanese, but I don't watch any of that stuff. NONE of it.
1988
1989 Ah. Shows what I know.
1990
1991 Back in the day, I had tons of respect for Korean television (KBS World), including the documentaries, political material, etc. (but not cartoons).
1992
1993 Nothing.  Fiction plays an extremely small role in my life (book, TV, movie, or otherwise).
1994
1995 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1bu9MwvTuE
1996
1997 I think being an effective activist involves asking the question, "How can I be an effective activist?", many, many times (in different situations, etc.). morchella
1998
1999 Hi.
2000
2001 Stereotypical vegan morning: drank bananas out of a blender…
2002
2003 …trying to exercise before I go to school…
2004
2005 …and watching Youtube while I do it. :-/
2006
2007 Heartborne: either you do the push-ups, or the push-ups do you.
2008
2009 Re: "Do you also go for pull-ups/chin-ups?" Sadly, that is not possible with any of the door-frames in my apartment. :-/ True story.
2010
2011 zhaey: What are you doing on Patreon? Do you have a youtube channel, etc.?
2012
2013 Relevant: https://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxlsebDRAc1qgcra2o1_500.jpg
2014
2015 I was thinking about switching to Soylent (seriously) a few days ago, when I was having a lot of trouble digesting my usual crap… but I've managed to come back from the edge.
2016
2017 Soylent is made out of oats… think I can't digest oats (some sources on the net say this is astoundingly common, i.e., a significant percentage of the population are like dis).
2018
2019 Sorry, typo: "lyk dis".
2020
2021 [The implicit point of this message has been communicated through eye-contact and gestures alone.]
2022
2023 I only now figured out that when Methodman says, "method-cal" he is actually failing to pronounce "methodical". (Circa 1993)
2024
2025 Rap music with no raps in it: https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjciqTr4N7KAhUN62MKHXu4B0UQtwIIHzAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dwgy_aXtadGU&usg=AFQjCNEJjYHH-oNyTizIKcizkU0QcmveXA
2026
2027 Apparently this is the source of the sample (thank you google): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkNa2w2Mutk
2028
2029 BTW, this is the depressing-as-hell glance at modern Russian society that Durianrider recently mentioned in his videos: https://youtube.com/user/Lomak1581?feature=watch-vrec
2030
2031 I'm learning a lot about Russia this semester.  Russian history, circa 1900 to present, I guess. It's pretty bleak. Things are bleak all over. :-/
2032
2033 No, haven't heard of it.  I'll bookmark it to google later. (chaika)
2034
2035 Looks a lot like Vice News. ;-)
2036
2037 (Not a bad thing.)
2038
2039 CSIS-DC has some solid video-lectures on that stuff (NB: not the same as "CSIS" in Canada). https://www.youtube.com/user/csisdc/search?query=russia
2040
2041 I think I heard some L.S.E. lectures on corruption under Putin, too, indicating that there is considerable dissatisfaction with corruption, but it comes and goes in waves, etc., and the current war with the Ukraine has (temporarily) silenced a lot of dissent.
2042
2043 .yt 50 cent better come on your a game
2044
2045 https://youtu.be/ZvHGVp84CAo?t=1m15s
2046
2047 bunniesandguac: What's your ratio, for hours on IRC vs. hours writing essays? I ask as a university student myself. :-/
2048
2049 Vol: touché.
2050
2051 Henh? Did I make a point?
2052
2053 https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/X4ksCFUpQPiULQei8icM
2054
2055 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
2056
2057 The educational power of the internet. :-/
2058
2059 I wonder about the missing noun: "nah mine's burmese "
2060
2061 Ah… you wear/own a longyi, I infer.
2062
2063 I just applied for a job in Myanmar, as it happens, grisher.
2064
2065 Vol: it is slightly more complex than that…
2066
2067 "Burmese" denotes a specific ethnic group, whereas "Burman" formerly referred to anyone who is a citizen of the modern country…
2068
2069 …so you now get a lot of difficulty: not all Burmese are Burman, not all Myanmarese are… etc.
2070
2071 grisher: Yep. I used to work with many of the same minorities on the Lao-Burmese border
2072
2073 …I tried to get work on the Thai-Burmese border for years.
2074
2075 is oppressed_omni a bot?
2076
2077 Too many bots already.  I just set oppressed_omni to "ignore".
2078
2079 So Nergal, also, is a bot, and needs to be separately muted. :-/
2080
2081 .yt wu-tang run magical mystery chambers
2082
2083 Blood-Wiper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex4IKMMRDWQ
2084
2085 https://youtu.be/Hcoj2v8fyf4?t=2m50s
2086
2087 mloy: behold! https://www.reddit.com/r/veganincanada
2088
2089 Let me know if you want to "recycle" your CSS masterpiece for Canada. :-/ I'm not planning to spend 5 minutes on CSS for reddit.
2090
2091 The people of Canada thank you, Mloy.
2092
2093 Yeah, that's how city-specific pages work… Canada is too large to get restaurant listings as a major focus.  I made one youtube video covering all of the restaurants in my own (current) city in Canada.
2094
2095 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLtwF08wvQ
2096
2097 We also have baby seals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuVIJSC9Dck
2098
2099 Yeah, but nobody watches those videos. ;-) My peculiar audience only wants to see agony and acrimony.
2100
2101 .seen O00000016a
2102
2103 O00000016a: Cheetah has some new material on kicking: https://youtu.be/YJFdUMeaCxA?t=1m55s
2104
2105 My song-of-the-day yesterday was the original box-in-hand (the one with a a chorus that actually contains the words "box in hand"… unlike the track on the album, etc.). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvHGVp84CAo
2106
2107 Looks like New York State has the world's greatest rehab programs, eh? O00000016a At any rate, Cheetah's videos show a very flattering side of social services there (a contrast to the usual scandals we see, etc.).
2108
2109 The whole thing (incl. his video of his college campus) makes me realize, "Not everywhere (in the U.S.) is Florida".  Not everywhere is a ghetto, etc.
2110
2111 Relevant, and under 2 minutes long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMAQWTrn_rU
2112
2113 No, I haven't, Heartborne.  You planning a trip?
2114
2115 Heartborne: I assume it was developed for tourism post-2006… Laos has quite a few different cave-attractions (strange to say), including the cave in the North-East where the political leadership survived the war, etc.
2116
2117 BTW, this shit is vegan, has a 1:1 fat to protein ratio, and exists in Canada: http://www.harvestsnaps.com/products/flavor/snapea-crisps-lightly-salted O00000016a
2118
2119 I have, just lately, looked at job-applications that ask you to disclaim that you DO NOT have any tattoos. bunniesandguac
2120
2121 grisher: I get the opposite, too, people assuming that it is impossible for me to eat bread & pasta (as they imagine all of that is impossible-to-be-vegan).
2122
2123 Heartborne: Laos is one of the last places where new species still get discovered. She could discover a new species of worm, etc., in those caves. However, yeah, the politics are what makes the caves REALLY interesting. ;-)
2124
2125 morchella: Same in Japan. They think all bread should contain butter, milk-powder, etc. (I saw plenty of that in Taiwan, too.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1oTxFmyiw
2126
2127 Vol: The whole thing with egg in Asian noodles… such a fucking barbaric, modern addition to Asian culture!  Just 100 years ago, NOBODY in China or Japan was making noodles with chicken-eggs! WTF!
2128
2129 Vol: It's just the usual thing, adapting to the sudden arrival of new technology (refrigeration itself is new technology).
2130
2131 Traditional Udon/Damien noodles should NEVER have egg in them, but they're commonly made with egg now, so they're "fluffy" or whatever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOJy7i5t0co
2132
2133 Here, see: NOTHING BUT FLOUR AND WATER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbSLCfEiZHE
2134
2135 jaybutts: The dog controls the action from behind the scenes.
2136
2137 Apparently, I killed the conversation with my dogmatic insistence on the purity of noodle-ingredients.
2138
2139 Nah, eggs would still be cheap-as-hell with modern methods.
2140
2141 The logic of mass production, as applied to avian reproduction. :-/
2142
2143 O00000016a: I don't understand why you'd take a fixie over a single-speed
2144
2145 given that single speed allows you to have all of your weight on the pedals…
2146
2147 …whereas fixed-gear forces you to take your feet (and/or weight) off of the pedals in some circumstances.
2148
2149 s/drinkd/toasters
2150
2151 s/toasters/loafers
2152
2153 Ah, yeah: stopping with your feet could be an advantage if your hands are full.
2154
2155 But I want my weight in my feet, not on the seat, so I've got to have a one-speed (rather than a fixie).
2156
2157 However, the odds are I'll never own a bike again, so it's an academic conversation for me. :-(
2158
2159 Also, when I was in Thailand, Laos, etc., I was literally prepared to be attacked by wild dogs (and/or people with machetes) at all times.  Fixie is not so great for that. O00000016a
2160
2161 Sam: don't you have the impression that my life is a disaster from my youtube channel?
2162
2163 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcoj2v8fyf4
2164
2165 O00000016a: Move to Hamilton, Ontario, or any other post-industrial slum in Southern Ontario, m'man. :-/ Hell, take a look at Thunder Bay… nothing gentrified about it.
2166
2167 O00000016a: I assume you're trying to disassociate yourself with your former crowd, inasmuch as they're linked to drugs?  Not easy, but usual requisite.
2168
2169 (BTW, I'm actually chatting with vegan Cheetah in another window right now… not that it's relevant.)
2170
2171 Re: "my roomates are junkies too". I think you have to get the hell out of there, man. Whether you move to Victoria or not, you can't have room-mates who are on the same drug you're trying to kick. O00000016a
2172
2173 Sell 87% of your bicycles and move to Victoria. :-/
2174
2175 How long have have you been vegan, O00000016a?
2176
2177 Interesting that you've had the discipline to maintain veganism… given the (obvious) difficult circumstances, etc.
2178
2179 (I realize there's discipline of more than one kind, etc., but still: interesting.)
2180
2181 <a-bas-le-ciel> This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."
2182
2183 O00000016a: That was the real Vegan Cheetah, BTW.
2184
2185 You sort of missed your chance to talk to him, tho.
2186
2187 I just pointed out to "zeroes" (a.k.a. O00000016a) that you're actually the real Cheetah, VeganCheetah. :-/
2188
2189 I've got to take a shower, etc., I.R.L., so I'm not going to say much in the next few minutes.
2190
2191 O00000016a: I should print out a giant poster of unnatural vegan, and hang it on my wall (in the background) for a few videos. ;-) It could replace my usual poster with no explanation.
2192
2193 I could use, like, a totally unappealing photo of her frowning at the camera.
2194
2195 morchella: you have to use a comma, not a colon, I think.
2196
2197 vucket, go away
2198
2199 oppressed_omni, go away
2200
2201 VeganCheetah: Some members of the list are… uh… overly-creative computer-programmers.  The bots can actually do some interesting things, like produce quotations on command, etc., but they can be annoying, too.
2202
2203 Pff. Don't let bots derail the entire conversation here, ppl.
2204
2205 I get invited to "cute" shit on campus, but the reality is that I'm too old to participate in any of it unironically.  Just got an invite to a philosophy conference… :-/
2206
2207 .yt raekwon once in a lifetime mika
2208
2209 O00000016a: I feel 100.
2210
2211 If I could digest the soymilk in Canada, I'd drink tons of it, VeganCheetah, but the quality of soymilk here (sold in cartons) is GARBAGE compared to Taiwan… and really hard to digest.
2212
2213 REALLY minor gripe: one pear in Canada is now circa $1.  A bag of 5 pears cost me $5. WTF? Pears are actually "in season", surreal as that may sound.
2214
2215 O00000016a: BTW, I've been applying for jobs. Just in the last few days, two in Japan, one in Myanmar.  All raise some REALLY strange questions about my future (short-term & long-term) if I were actually offered them / took them.
2216
2217 O00000016a: I think you absolutely cannot move back into that apartment in Toronto. If you really want to keep all your bicycles, you can bring them back-and-forth by greyhound bus, in a series of trips spaced out over a year.
2218
2219 O00000016a: I carried my fucking bike on a bus-trip from Bangkok, Thailand, to Kunming, China.  It was harder than actually RIDING the bike from Laos to Cambodia, TBH.
2220
2221 (And yeah, BTW, now I don't own a single bike, and probably never will again, etc.)
2222
2223 .wouldyou
2224
2225 ^ example of a  bot being "useful".
2226
2227 VeganCheetah: yeah, me and zeroes  (O00000016A) are both "connected" to a painter in Canada who was driven over by a truck, and left for dead…
2228
2229 …truth is, everyone who bikes knows someone dead and/or maimed by the hobby.
2230
2231 O00000016a VeganCheetah   : actual joke one of my professors told in class: "Well, I usually smoke cigarettes, but I've been thinking about switching to crack cocaine, because it's the only thing you can buy in Victoria after 7:00 PM".
2232
2233 My least popular videos actually show you what Victoria, B.C., looks like, BTW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dt0Hwr91Vs
2234
2235 Seriously: you can see wildlife (like baby seals) "downtown" (not the downtown core, but still… this aint' the suburbs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuVIJSC9Dck
2236
2237 'being vegan isn't about being perfect, it's about creating the illusion of moral superiority'
2238
2239 .yt rolling stones brown sugar cover
2240
2241 vucket, go away
2242
2243 Sam: MDMA also involves brain damage, and yet fucking SAM HARRIS endorses it as equivalent to Buddhist enlightenment. AND NOBODY SEES A PROBLEM WITH THIS. Pardon my all-caps.
2244
2245 Sam: you can locate the factories refining cocaine on the Mekong River by testing the water, i.e., the distinctive forms of pollution show up (precisely correlated to distance, etc.).
2246
2247 VeganCheetah: Also in New York state, a new vegan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE3PQ4F3TjM
2248
2249 vucket, go away
2250
2251 Hey, shit, did anyone hear back from Candidmommy? O00000016a
2252
2253 Pff!
2254
2255 O00000016a: you have to admit, Vice (corporation?) is probably the worst place on earth for a recovering addict to get a job. I'd say it's slightly worse than actually working on an opium farm (the flowers, in their natural state, are not particularly seductive).
2256
2257 Seriously, O00000016a, it's on the top ten places of worst place for an addict in recovery to get a job, along with pulling broken glass out of a barrel, being a bouncer at a cathouse, etc.
2258
2259 Contains the lyric, "I was born in a barrel of razor blades" = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAyRTLw6I-U
2260
2261 If you're famous enough to get hired by Vice, you're better off starting your own magazine / youtube-channel / whatever.  The whole of the media sector has ended up "horizontal" in this sense.
2262
2263 There's so little money in the game, that you might as well be your own boss, etc. (and that's how TYT got started, etc. etc.).
2264
2265 The whole sector is getting scattered into a million tiny fragments, each consisting of two full-time employees plus an intern.
2266
2267 The future of literacy is illiteracy. Quote me on that shit, Vucket.
2268
2269 Dude, I think I have actually talked about that on my YT at some point: if I knew 5 or even 2 honest intellectuals here in Victoria, I would have started a magazine (etc.) by now.  I don't. Campus is full of beautiful people, but people who are talented, hard-working (or both) = hard to find.
2270
2271 And nobody has any ambition in Canada: the lack of ambition at all levels (from student to professor) is astounding to me.
2272
2273 O00000016a: Currently, "the thing I do" is just applying for jobs. I don't have anything rolling now, but I have past experience in print media (listed in my C.V. as such). I was first employed by magazines in Toronto way back when I was a teenager… don't even list that stuff in my C.V. any more.
2274
2275 O00000016a: Eye & Now were also nepotistic as hell: people would get gigs/published because of who they knew, who they were sleeping with, etc. Everything in Anglo-Canada is like that: closed-loop nepotism. It is really a sick, counterproductive culture, compared to China, etc. etc. In China, there's corruption, but it exists TO GET THINGS DONE. In
2276
2277  Canada, corruption just exists as a dead-ended ego-trip.
2278
2279 Join the army, zeroes, it's honest work, and promotion is based on how many people you kill, not how many people you flatter.
2280
2281 Correction, <a-bas-le-ciel> Join ALF, zeroes, it's honest work, and promotion is based on how many people you kill, not how many people you flatter.
2282
2283 Quote, "We will not let Canada’s Armed Forces be shortchanged, and we will not lapse military spending from year to year. We will also reinvest in building a leaner, more agile, better-equipped military, including adequate support systems for military personnel and their families."
2284
2285 Sam, I have no idea of your age: over 18 but under 28, non?
2286
2287 How the hell did "death grips" come up in this conversation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DigtCrO77L8
2288
2289 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uL7Cq7SL5Y
2290
2291 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty99I71PAkI
2292
2293 .pp Anyone who does not know what "M.R.E." means.
2294
2295 BTW: SPEAKING OF REASONS TO BECOME VEGAN... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ScZO91kIk
2296
2297 Dude, O00000016a, Candidmommy has a tumor. She needs you now more than ever. Go patch up the relationship, man. ;-)
2298
2299 Rilly, that's the only track from D.G. that I dig/appreciate… and it's really just on the strength of the beat. The lyrics are somewhere between a pastiche and a parody of rap as a genre.
2300
2301 You down with rebel citrus, or what?
2302
2303 What the hell did I interrupt? (Gradually inches toward the door…)
2304
2305 Pfff. Unicorns.
2306
2307 morchella: Yep.
2308
2309 fear: Are you vegan yet?
2310
2311 I assume fear still has me blocked.  It's a sign of character. ;-)
2312
2313 https://youtu.be/x6DG9tJe7OU
2314
2315 This entire conversation is not vegan.
2316
2317 And this is when I leave the room.  Good night, everyone who is on the Australian time-zone!
2318
2319 Re: "everyone here uses wood or coal for heating" …damn, that's remote. You ride a bike to get groceries, or is it truck-only survival?
2320
2321 O00000016a: An hour each way? That's a trek.
2322
2323 "Personal growth" from Vegan Gains: https://youtu.be/WCsmD2ephcQ?t=3m4s
2324
2325 O00000016a: maybe next year VG can make a video titled, "Why I am not Belgian". :-/
2326
2327 bunniesandguac: Made my first sardonic remarks about Chomsky on my channel today. I think I'm doomed to make one more video on Chomsky in the near future.
2328
2329 bunniesandguac: Hey, he's pretty much showing you what NOT to do with your life. Quit videogames, etc.
2330
2331 See what happens to this IRC when there are no females present?
2332
2333 https://youtu.be/ha69M_utfgw?t=1m53s
2334
2335 xeLk: Just posting what I happened to be watching a the time (i.e., right now). These are basically people I "know" to some limited extent (Cheetah was here, on this IRC, last night, bc I invited him, etc.).
2336
2337 O00000016a: There are some comments about rehab (and people trash-talking about rehab) in that link that would interest you, I imagine.
2338
2339 Yeah.
2340
2341 bunniesandguac: you seem to be engaged in what they call "ergative therapy".
2342
2343 I'm about that life. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ergative
2344
2345 https://youtu.be/O8ypAmpapSs
2346
2347 No. Is it good?
2348
2349 Strange that he's still pulling such small numbers (of viewers/listeners). He'd done interviews with mainstream radio in N.Y., etc.  O00000016a
2350
2351 bunniesandguac: R.S. is honest, but he's also an idiot.
2352
2353 He (Droog) recorded that one track with Mobb Deep, too.
2354
2355 BTW, O00000016a, next season of M&V is coming "soon": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daIVuzMWVqU
2356
2357 bunniesandguac: you can hear R.S. musing on it for about an hour in this podcast interview with Taxstone: https://soundcloud.com/taxseason/the-russell-simmons-episode
2358
2359 But, look, bottom line: what R.S. has to say about veganism isn't any more convincing than what he has to say about yoga, or any of the other new-age bullshit he's been toying with (in his post-cocaine period). It's a beautiful message, but he's the wrong guy to deliver it.
2360
2361 BTW, O00000016a, obscure vegan factoid you may know: John Salley talked about veganism with Charlamagne when he did an interview there… again, very unconvincing and scattered.
2362
2363 Re: "not everyone is utilitarian", yeah, I doubt the utilitarians add up to much of a percentage of R.L. vegans. Probably the amethyst-worshipping crowd are a bigger percentage than that. Doesn't mean I'd endorse magic rock-crystal horse-shit. http://ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/amethyst.jpg
2364
2365 A lot of talented artists end up doing 100% corporate, for-profit, popcorn like this: http://erniecolonunlimited.blogspot.ca/2011/12/amethyst-princess-of-gemworld-ltd-n2.html
2366
2367 O00000016a: Naw, man, princesses are ELECTED.
2368
2369 You still draw?
2370
2371 You seem to have your talents dissipated into about ten different categories (music, writing, cycling, etc.)… just wondering if there's really room for the visual arts, also, at the same time. O00000016a
2372
2373 I forgot about this: a rare example of a video on Thailand that isn't glorifying the place. (It isn't saying anything socially incisive or interesting, either… BUT STILL, I give some credit.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd97hZX-Ymc&feature=youtu.be
2374
2375 https://youtu.be/2PCb9mnrU1g?t=9m14s
2376
2377 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiWCHzH2xEA
2378
2379 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTNOWSKMS10
2380
2381 The first time a cow was slaughtered in Japan (for meat), was apparently in 1856 or so. The meat from the cow was consumed by two Americans. An interesting reflection of how weak the culture of meat-eating was there, until recently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyokusen-ji
2382
2383 'Sup.
2384
2385 hey
2386
2387 henh? https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
2388
2389 typing with one hand
2390
2391 ;-)
2392
2393 Huge tome on the history of SIberia, TBH.
2394
2395 Yeah, you should convert to one of their religions, Blood-Wiper. Much better company. Not much vegan food, though.
2396
2397 http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-kets-of-siberia-and-canadas-first-nations.html
2398
2399 thx bw u r laik totaly fletcher l prouty
2400
2401 .yt fletcher l prouty
2402
2403 Noam Chomsky: CELEBRITY ANARCHIST. (Sounds like an SNL sketch, rilly.)
2404
2405 Yeah, TMOMOE.
2406
2407 Did you see my 60 seconds on Chomsky on youtube today, iceroll?
2408
2409 Secretly about Noam Chomsky = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6DG9tJe7OU
2410
2411 iceroll: You can fast forward to the part about Chomsky, if you own a "remote control", grandad.
2412
2413 I'm the opposite: I ONLY watch monologues.
2414
2415 .urban ea
2416
2417 Hey grisher, in theory, that hangout still "exists". https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/4b6irzbuevd6rw2qqja42jycyqa?authuser=0&hl=en
2418
2419 The last time I checked, it was just blood-wiper sitting there silently.
2420
2421 test12: signing up for gmail will do the trick, though.
2422
2423 test12: Yeah, I realize.
2424
2425 .yt missy elliot y'all don't really know my life
2426
2427 That is OBVIOUSLY the wrong video, Youtube.
2428
2429 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhoC3v_aXHQ
2430
2431 Here you go, test12, you can see the book on Siberia in the background: https://youtu.be/3HN6nPDNSwE
2432
2433 It is actually the poster for the movie Citizenfour (easily googled).
2434
2435 BTW, Citizenfour is a TERRIBLE movie. Not worth your time at all.
2436
2437 Well, I didn't think that a Catholic Saint would be appropriate, nor could I find any suitable images of minor Daoist religious figures… it's a difficult thing to decide what to hang on your wall, y'know.
2438
2439 Especially when you don't have a simple ideology to hang there, as a flag.
2440
2441 That's your perspective, test12, but I see it more as Snowden "looking down on me", as an almost angelic ("iconic") figure.
2442
2443 It's boring in the extreme, test12. It's just terrible in terms of film-making. They managed to make it EXTREMELY boring for any potential audience.
2444
2445 I learned  nothing new from the film, etc.
2446
2447 Hey, we're not talking about base-jumping here: you can risk $1.99 on it, if you're interested.
2448
2449 Yeah, it's true: knowledge = spoilers. Living in ignorance = more entertaining. ;-)
2450
2451 .mm Harry Potter
2452
2453 .mm plenty-grown adults reading Harry Potter
2454
2455 .mm academics pretending Harry Potter is more respectable than X-Men.
2456
2457 I'm not a troll, ya done know.
2458
2459 If adults want to read x-men that's fine… they just don't/can't pretend that it's something other than corporate candy-corn. H.P. is in a detestable grey-area that people create to delude themselves that it is in equal parts Mickey Mouse and Shakespeare.
2460
2461 Naw, man, not on #vegan.
2462
2463 .g grenache
2464
2465 I have experience typing in Sinhalese, Burmese, Japanese, Chinese, Laotian, Cambodian… :-/ Not a complete list.
2466
2467 The most basic "interface" for each language is problematic in its way.
2468
2469 I'd love to see English progress beyond the QWERTY era; but remarkably little progress has been made.
2470
2471 <a-bas-le-ciel> This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."
2472
2473 'Sup, zeroes.
2474
2475 Makes sense to me.
2476
2477 Believe it or not, I don't regard this IRC as a Nancy Drew mystery, as to who is pretending to be whom.
2478
2479 test12`: Same bat-time, same bat-channel.  Same desk. Same stack of books, etc. etc.
2480
2481 Different poster on the wall, though. https://youtu.be/UvzaLZTPJ1o?t=13m53s
2482
2483 O000000017a: It would take a New Orleans accent to pull that one off, I think.
2484
2485 I dunno, Vol.  What kind of beat were you imagining here?
2486
2487 @ Vol https://youtu.be/4GXdxcRTc6Q
2488
2489 Groove is in the heart, Vol, groove is in the heart.
2490
2491 'Sup.
2492
2493 I don't support marijuana because it isn't free-range. TM
2494
2495 Exactly. ;-) Ostwind
2496
2497 It probably comes up somewhere, Wen, but you can get the gist in the first few paragraphs of that interview I did with a Buddhist magazine in Hong Kong: https://medium.com/morning-light/interview-the-death-of-pali-9df3f5f826e4#.r56mqjaa5
2498
2499 ^ Few really nice photos in that version of the article, too, WenGobou
2500
2501 Ostwind: I think I gave him a "fair and balanced" edit, TBH.  That could also be interpreted as "enough rope".
2502
2503 morbidhyena: The most educational video I've ever made. ;-)
2504
2505 https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/yg8kkqI7Rh2SuWxU43TG?signature=8d4d7e205e15851e51edc618444b494dc0fd3743c948078bc2bcdb16e6d249ee&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0NTYwMTIyNTN9
2506
2507 ^ Sharing this image still comes up in my daily life.
2508
2509 Just talking to a vegetarian who only eats free-range eggs, etc.
2510
2511 Yeah, there's hope arright.
2512
2513 Yeah, true dat.
2514
2515 I mostly overhear omnis AT THE VEGAN RESTAURANT, talking about how they eat as much meat as possible.
2516
2517 iceroll: You should try /r/samharris
2518
2519 GUESS WHAT SAM HARRIS HAS TO TEACH US TODAY?????!?!?!?!? https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/meat-without-murder
2520
2521 iceroll: Could be that this is a deadly-accurate dadaist interpretation of my appearance.  I assume you know what I look like.  It ain't hard to find me. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tj-2YHh0MPo/VotSY3QLaGI/AAAAAAAAKmQ/I8cgn2C4XpU/s1600/Eisel-Mazard.jpg
2522
2523 If it's any consolation, people are paying next-to-nothing for Sam Harris via his Patreon (really, this is a searing --implicit-- condemnation of the guy's work, given how much media exposure he's had). https://www.patreon.com/samharris?ty=h
2524
2525 morbidhyena: but he's also TRYING to explain how his view as LESS EXTREME than those of his various friends/followers, and that makes it even more tragi-comic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrmojqZQhv8
2526
2527 vegan_eggbeaters: it's selenium deficiency I find scary.
2528
2529 Yeah, what morbidhyena said, except REALLY PROFOUND AND MEANINGFUL. ;-)
2530
2531 The Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF), co-founded in 1999 by Sally Fallon (Morell) and nutritionist Mary G. Enig (PhD), is a U.S. 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated to "restoring nutrient-dense foods to the American diet through education, research and activism."
2532
2533 Sadly, vegan_eggbeaters has blocked me, so she'll never know my sagacious advice on this matter.
2534
2535 bunniesandguac: did you just get here, or did you switch names?
2536
2537 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dju0yOM756Q
2538
2539 Stay tuned! ;-)
2540
2541 morbidhyena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MqSYj8iFSY
2542
2543 Why did Moses leave Egypt?
2544
2545 hanging out is a state of mind, old man.
2546
2547 Or do you mean Google Hangouts, Blood-Wiper?
2548
2549 Magnanimity: as 50 cent said, things change, they don't stay the same.
2550
2551 Arright, I'm online in one place, and going offline in another.
2552
2553 Yeah, what do you expect.  It's the middle of the night everywhere except Thailand.
2554
2555 Yep.  I'm doing those midnight push-ups right now.
2556
2557 .urban cockatrice
2558
2559 .urban nethack
2560
2561 Those who know nethack know the true meaning of cockatrice.
2562
2563 I was vegan back when Alicia Keys was on the charts.  Yeah, THAT long ago.
2564
2565 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXxr954y4l0
2566
2567 Stop spelling everything correctly, Blood-Wiper: y'all can't floss on my level.
2568
2569 I was vegan so long ago, that Donald Trump was not even considered a viable candidate for the presidency of the United States.
2570
2571 I was vegan so long ago, that three dimensional video games were played on a flat screen, and "3D" merely referred to the visual style of the images being depicted.
2572
2573 I was vegan so long ago that thong bikinis were made out of actual thongs.
2574
2575 ^ lol
2576
2577 It would be _bist du_ / _bissen Sie_, right?
2578
2579 I've got a German-language textbook for Japanese… allowing me, in theory, to study both languages at the same time.
2580
2581 Right, "Sind Sie".  Been a while.
2582
2583 I regard German and English as ALMOST the same language. :-/
2584
2585 The German explanations for Japanese grammar (in this particular textbook) are also hilariously laconic. I think they'd be incomprehensible for the majority of native German speakers.
2586
2587 There is exactly one vegan restaurant in Göttingen, and it is not really a restaurant.  The local vegans have meetings at an Indian restaurant that serves meat. :-/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62-xx8oQ5gs
2588
2589 Why did Moses leave Egypt? :-/
2590
2591 firststepforward: The activity is clustered around the evening on the East Coast of North America (i.e., in terms of time-zones).
2592
2593 Hi Vol.  You're the guy with the headphones whom I spoke to at such length last night, right?
2594
2595 (Just trying to keep the names straight.)
2596
2597 Nothing, man.  Been applying for jobs that are somewhere on the spectrum of "fate worse than death".
2598
2599 I actually wonder if some of these jobs would change me --psychologically-- if I got (and did) any of them for a year.  Probably. :-/
2600
2601 And the best part is that Google's corps of engineers will be able to review the record of what we said 100 years from now, in the future, when the meaningless summation of all our internet data is archived.
2602
2603 xeLk: That would be better, in many ways.  As stated publicly on my youtube channel, my job applications include the army.
2604
2605 arabchic: and sometimes man's need to eat involves taking a government contract to kill other men, 'na'a'meen?
2606
2607 xeLk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HN6nPDNSwE
2608
2609 I think you can skip to 9 min 30, if ya wanna.
2610
2611 Speaking calmly about these things can be counterproductive.  It gives people the illusion that you're not in a crisis situation, WHEN YOU ARE.
2612
2613 ^ That was really an impressively cryptic statement, Vol.
2614
2615 arabchic: You're THAT confident in Vol's culinary prowess?
2616
2617 Man, Edward Snowden is living the high-life, with all that Russian room-service.  No wonder he's so thin. The Moscow diet.
2618
2619 I applied for one job with an obscure animal rights organization today.  But I suspect the job doesn't really exist, so it is less than "a long shot" (discrepancy in the date of advertisement, etc.).
2620
2621 Vol: not really.  Most are, as I said before, on the spectrum of "worse than death".
2622
2623 I seriously have to ask myself about boiling cow-milk at Starbucks (but I don't think I'm cute enough to get the job, TBH).
2624
2625 Hey, Vol, use your powerful social network of connections to find me a job!  Poof!  Preferably in Japan. :-/ Guan-xi.
2626
2627 xeLk: I haven't made any effort to share the link with the people who would hate it (yet).  Presumably the fans of "the other side" will notice it at some point.
2628
2629 Blood-Wiper: the job in Malaysia (just did the interview) would be WORSE than a Pyramid scheme.
2630
2631 Vegan pyramids only, Vol. You may not realize how many pyramids are made out of suede.
2632
2633 The worst are the jobs that require you to cut-and-paste information into an interactive form, instead of providing your C.V. as a PDF.
2634
2635 oppressed_omni: Are you saying Al Gore stopped being vegan, or just that he isn't running for office?
2636
2637 What, ANOTHER bot?
2638
2639 Still, the bot should be able to answer the question.
2640
2641 Holy shit, Vol, check this:
2642
2643 "Passport size color photograph wearing formal attire and an ingratiating smile"
2644
2645 They ask for a photo with an INGRATIATING smile.
2646
2647 WTF
2648
2649 Thanks for backing me up on that one, vucket. :-/
2650
2651 EXACTLY.
2652
2653 I'm only looking at jobs that are open to foreign candidates, but they ask what your closest train station is within Tokyo.  Uh… well… from Canada… let's see. :-/
2654
2655 Vol: a 22 should be enough for everyone.
2656
2657 AR-15 should not be for civilian use. What are you gonna hunt with that?
2658
2659 Basic long rife, basic 22 handgun = all that anyone legitimately needs. Shotguns with rocksalt would probably reduce the body-count, but they're illegal, while AR-15 are mass produced.
2660
2661 Sorry, I was alluding to bans on sawed-off shotguns, etc. (I realize they aren't all illegal, just strangely regulated).
2662
2663 We have shotguns here in Canada that are illegal in the U.S., because you have insane regulations around just that one firearm, that is the most harmless (bc you can use non-lethal ammo with it).
2664
2665 I'm pretty sure oppressed_omni is a real person at this point.
2666
2667 Does this job description sound like me? "Successful candidates should be native English speakers and demonstrate a true passion for writing or blogging with an interest in fashion and eyewear."
2668
2669 Let me guess, VeganMan1101 is also a bot, right?  See, I'm getting better at this game.
2670
2671 Vucket, kicket VeganMan1101
2672
2673 .fite VeganMan1101
2674
2675 Will do.
2676
2677 arabchic: I'm primarily accustomed to Bunnies adopting a false name and pretending to be a newbie (i.e., when statements like that suddenly appear).
2678
2679 You've got to admit, it sounded like the usual post-post-modern trolling we get a lot of around here. And, yeah bunniesandguac is the usual offender.
2680
2681 VeganMan1101: Have you taken a look at an M.R.I. scan of an ant's brain?
2682
2683 You genuinely could not reproduce an ant's brain as a electronics project, etc. VeganMan1101 (pretending you're not a troll for the sake of it).
2684
2685 The whole approach, from my perspective, is horse-shit VeganMan1101.  It's a question of "doing the best you can", not of establishing mental parity between a chicken and a human…
2686
2687 …and, TBH, I have seen MRI scans of an ant's brain
2688
2689 and I have seen studies of insect language (social insects using language), etc.
2690
2691 and the idea that an animal with eyes, a heart, etc., (such as a chick) is a "simple" system (neurologically) is chortle-worthy from my perspective, so much so that I assumed you were a troll.
2692
2693 You didn't give sentient jellyfish as an example, you gave CHICKENS as an example.  Yeah, that's laughable.
2694
2695 And, again, take a long look at the neural nets in a jellyfish, and studies of the behaviors they're capable of, etc., and you may get another perspective even there.
2696
2697 ConsiderTheGraphG: I'm not condescending, I'm overtly contemptuous.
2698
2699 The insect kingdom is not a democracy, m'man. Quote me on that.
2700
2701 .urban chortle
2702
2703 Y'all eating grasshoppers. Bunch of savages.
2704
2705 I should find a REAL vegan chat room. ;-)
2706
2707 Yeah, Japan = vegan hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1oTxFmyiw
2708
2709 The medium is in the msg.
2710
2711 ConsiderTheGraphH: Who was you?
2712
2713 ^ Correct grammar, given the circumstances.
2714
2715 .seen xWEEDx
2716
2717 Yeesh. Not a great exit-quote.
2718
2719 Vol, does weed = xWEEDx ???
2720
2721 .youtube the name game
2722
2723 This is what I was looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeF7jqf0GU4
2724
2725 arabchic: Good pull, but I hate pseudo-rap music that pretends to be clever by breaking the conventions of rap music.
2726
2727 .youtube 4tet remix MF doom
2728
2729 I "knew" a group of goldfish who escaped their captivity (true story).
2730
2731 They were in a hotel lobby in Thailand.
2732
2733 When the river flooded…
2734
2735 …they rejoined the river.
2736
2737 Never to return.
2738
2739 I remember asking the hotel's manager if they were going to try to… uh… "entice" the goldfish to come home again (now that the flood was over).
2740
2741 arabchic: Good luck finding the origin for that loop… it is SOMEWHERE in a Sega game called "Quartet". (Same song I linked to before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JvVprLwZfo&feature=youtu.be )
2742
2743 I blame, you, xeLk
2744
2745 ;-)
2746
2747 Quote, "The first sign that Olivia’s Gaba lesson would be anything but ordinary came when her student insisted during the warmup that he didn’t like wearing clothes."
2748
2749 http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2014/06/16/issues/harassers-exploit-gabas-man-man-lesson-format/#.Vsu6hjXJBss
2750
2751 Cheetah now uploads daily: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHV_q-cuSUg
2752
2753 firststepfoward: This IRC is at its worst when people think they're obliged to fill the silence with noise. (No offence.)
2754
2755 I said, "NO OFFENSE". ;-)
2756
2757 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1881Jjo7g3U
2758
2759 BTW, all u guize, I signed a form today, letting the military spy on me, to decide if I'm trustworthy or not, so if you're lucking some EXTREMELY BORED military employee will read all of my IRC chatter.
2760
2761 You should feel flattered, really. ;-)
2762
2763 Sam: I assume "DV" is British terminology.
2764
2765 ?
2766
2767 The nomenclature isn't the same in Canada (as you'd expect), but we're talking about a background check of some kind.  They can read all my e-mails to my ex-wife, I guess.
2768
2769 morchella: My anti-communist credentials are impeccable. ;-)
2770
2771 Sam: yeah, but this has nothing to do with five-eyes,
2772
2773 Sam, in a word, I've applied. Cf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HN6nPDNSwE
2774
2775 I think I chatted about it (with you) in the past, Sam?
2776
2777 https://youtu.be/zxBHVZIvE_4?t=18s
2778
2779 arabchic: You really think you've got an FBI file?  I've got a security file back in the Lao People's Democratic Republic (where "public security" is job 1!). ;-)
2780
2781 morchella: "spied on" would be overstating it.  We're sharing our data with the public, liberally, and the military is one sector of the public.
2782
2783 vegan_eggbeaters blocks me, so it's a bit counterproductive for me to participate in the convo from this point on.
2784
2785 s/vise/vice
2786
2787 Oh, shit… I was supposed to buy bananas… forgot.
2788
2789 Got distracted with applying for jobs. :-/
2790
2791 Local grocery place is closed now. Meh. We'll see if I want to study more than I want to buy bananas.
2792
2793 ( Vol yeah, pretty much… but  I have low expectations.) "Why do I come here again?"
2794
2795 weed, was she vegan?
2796
2797 So did you use your imagination to convince yourself that she's more intelligent & attractive than she really is for that reason?
2798
2799 weed: just been having this same conversation with Cheetah.  I figure both of you guys will find vegan women willing to overlook your… disadvantages… on account of your veganism. Vegan females really gotta make lemons into lemonade, unless they want a man who sneaks bacon on the sides, etc.
2800
2801 That whole website Alicia Silverstone set up consisted of vegan women complaining that their husband/bf still eats meat/dairy/etc.  And they'd respond negatively to any constructive suggestions on how to improve their situation, because the point of the website was just to complain --hopelessly-- while being resigned to your fate, etc. (BTW, what h
2802
2803 appened to xweedx, weed ?)
2804
2805 Salient infographic: http://thekindlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/qHwtzP31CVHbOGjJ8ZXsbgf3.jpeg
2806
2807 ^ morchella: cf. that infographic.  You're doomed to disappointment.
2808
2809 HILARIOUSLY, the source of data for that infographic = a poll of 1000 users of Alicia Silverstone's website. (Yeah, okay: if you've got a diploma in pol. sci., it's hilarious.)
2810
2811 https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/vDmtnwyIQO6zVPaCc0Cn?signature=7879e4505604dd3062777939a88a5d99436f6e436f7414817063d7ae746a6580&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0NTYyMDQzNjZ9
2812
2813 The struggle is real.
2814
2815 There's hardly a conversation in which you CAN'T say that: "The struggle is real."
2816
2817 Checkmate, indeed. ;-)
2818
2819 Yo, stephtveg, catch the infographic ( you missed it) = https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/vDmtnwyIQO6zVPaCc0Cn?signature=7879e4505604dd3062777939a88a5d99436f6e436f7414817063d7ae746a6580&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0NTYyMDQzNjZ9
2820
2821 No, it just reflects the type of people who sign up for Alicia Silverstone's website.  Presumably that's people old enough to remember the worst Batman movie ever made (AND THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING).
2822
2823 Vol: Michael Keaton wasn't in that movie. https://youtu.be/bGU35HLo5tA?t=33m6s
2824
2825 Vol, I guarantee, you WOULD NOT BELIEVE how terrible they were. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118688/
2826
2827 No, I'm saying that you can't remember how bad it was, Vol, because it's SO TERRIBLE that it has the quality of a repressed memory, i.e., you can't possibly remember JUST HOW BAD it was.
2828
2829 See, yet another context wherein I could easily say: "The struggle is real".  A phrase for all seasons.
2830
2831 morbidhyena: "family", in a sense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JrEWVzfyWY
2832
2833 mloy: Were you trying to join an especially prestigious fan-club? (No offense.)
2834
2835 mloy: Was asking about: "buckled down and finished both online tests 15 min before midnight "
2836
2837 mloy: but… but… all the cool kids on Youtube tell me that I should just DROP OUT OF COLLEGE??!??!?!???!
2838
2839 Bios3 on THE MEANING OF LIFE, and what to do before you die: https://youtu.be/UIpOUTIpjZA?t=3m44s
2840
2841 ^ missing verb.
2842
2843 I should _________ something fulfilling.
2844
2845 ^ imagine?
2846
2847 ^ create?
2848
2849 ^ become
2850
2851 ;-)
2852
2853 Vol, on the job application, it asked how many hours I'd want to work, and the upper limits were "35 hours" and "more than 35 hours".  I decided to select the second-highest option, i.e., 35 hours, rather than in-excess-of-35-hours. I interpret this as showing a balance of ambition and realism. ;-)
2854
2855 I used THIS as  my current photo, with the caption chopped out: http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/
2856
2857 Whoops, wrong link…
2858
2859 THIS: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J6ZXxMzkLh8/VsdI1YM_xyI/AAAAAAAAKvI/J66k-OBvbbU/s1600/Thumbnail.jpg
2860
2861 :-/
2862
2863 You've got to be able to laugh at yourself.
2864
2865 morbidhyena: I thought about it, but that only captured a portion of my face. :-/
2866
2867 I would need to buy an entirely new wardrobe to be employed in Japan. :-/ That would, really, be a very difficult procedure, as a vegan over six feet tall. :-/
2868
2869 I need to get some decent-looking photos taken to send to my daughter.
2870
2871 Don't know how I'll do it.
2872
2873 I guess I'll pretend to be a tourist, and ask people to take my picture in front of various landmarks. :-/
2874
2875 mloy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mclBtU07DE
2876
2877 morbidhyena: it's a confusing situation.
2878
2879 .seen sam
2880
2881 Sam, check it: https://youtu.be/NCT4fxTb7LQ?t=3m12s
2882
2883 ????????:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTVlD28IkcU
2884
2885 *ping*
2886
2887 .seen boycottcarnistpenis (had to ask)
2888
2889 'Sup.
2890
2891 Is it an oppressive silence sort of hang out?  I'll take a look and see.  Thx for the invite.
2892
2893 Yeah, I just interrupted to make everyone feel ashamed of their Linux-admin status.
2894
2895 Holy shit, those are some eligible
2896
2897 Holy shit, those are some eligible bachelors…
2898
2899 Vegan AND Linux administrators? Double threat.
2900
2901 I thought the guy with the British accent seemed like the sort who wouldn't make a girl's parents ashamed that he'd gotten her pregnant outside of wedlock.  Aside from the fact that he's a Comp. Sci. nerd.
2902
2903 Yeah, bunga had better quit.
2904
2905 IT'S THE FOOD CHAIN, morchunga!
2906
2907 Some are predators, with near-zero income, and some are prey, who have job-security.
2908
2909 ;-) = Yes, I am joking.
2910
2911 You're somewhere in europe, morbidhyena
2912
2913 ?
2914
2915 I sold my soul to Alpro soy-yogurt.
2916
2917 THEY ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT LINUX.  It's like a strange self-parody.
2918
2919 Blood-Wiper: why would you respond to this by telling an IRC?
2920
2921 https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/hr7jhvyrqjeplatpil6ags2y6qa
2922
2923 justin_timeforcake: worst hangout EVER.
2924
2925 mloy: Don't make excuses.
2926
2927 morchunga: This is evidently the start of a flame-war.
2928
2929 morbidhyena: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/hr7jhvyrqjeplatpil6ags2y6qa
2930
2931 I share it with you as a curse. :-/
2932
2933 mloy: Speak for yourself.
2934
2935 The only meaningful topic that more than 3 people had anything to say about: socksy tells everyone to "just shut up", because there's no point in discussing it. :-/ Arright. Bye.
2936
2937 <a-bas-le-ciel> The insect kingdom is not a democracy, m'man. Quote me on that.
2938
2939 a-bas-le-ciel quotes <reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> How did vucket learn the word "deontological"?|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> The insect kingdom is not a democracy, m'man. Quote me on that.|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> The medium is in the msg.
2940
2941 a-bas-le-ciel quotes <reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> How did vucket learn the word "deontological"?|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> The insect kingdom is not a democracy, m'man. Quote me on that.|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> The medium is in the msg.
2942
2943 a-bas-le-ciel quotes <reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> How did vucket learn the word "deontological"?|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> The insect kingdom is not a democracy, m'man. Quote me on that.|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> The medium is in the msg.
2944
2945 a-bas-le-ciel quotes <reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> This is an example of a topic I've never made a youtube video about: "It is NOT easy to be vegan in a household full of omnis."|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> How did vucket learn the word "deontological"?|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> The insect kingdom is not a democracy, m'man. Quote me on that.|<reply> <a-bas-le-ciel> The medium is in the msg.
2946
2947 <a-bas-le-ciel> How did vucket learn the word "deontological"?
2948
2949 <a-bas-le-ciel> The medium is in the msg.
2950
2951	.pp snow
2952
2953	O00000016a: Wu-Tang is for the children. https://youtu.be/BS181X4F3bw?t=14s
2954
2955	1998 was a long time ago. 1993 was a long, long time ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDsW9CiF1QI
2956
2957	I used to know, yeah… can't remember now. O00000016a
2958
2959	Oh yeah, I rememebr…
2960
2961	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOTINIbXMk O00000016a
2962
2963	BOOM!
2964
2965	They sampled half a second from that, looped it, and made a 16-bar banger.
2966
2967	The current multi-vitamin I'm taking improves my memory… it is sort of creepy and disturbing to experience the change, BTW. I seriously would have gotten a higher grade in Japanese (last semester) if I'd been taking the same vitamin at the time.
2968
2969	O00000016a: I sent you an answer privately.
2970
2971	vegan_eggbeaters: I thought your "strong suit" was insulting me because (1) I've got a degree in Pol. Sci., and (2) I'm divorced. Two things that are, like, dark secrets, that I don't openly talk about on my Youtube channel all the time, rite?
2972
2973	.fite public indifference
2974
2975	.fite voter apathy
2976
2977	.fite intellectual mediocrity
2978
2979	Well said, garybot old chum, well said.
2980
2981	Re: "b) what on Earth are you talking about?" Your former strong suit was to insult me by saying, "Yeah, well, I can see why you're a political science major and have a hx of divorce". It's memorable to me because I think I've never seen "history" abbreviated as hx before. vegan_eggbeaters
2982
2983	I just looked up the "depressing" documentary you guys mentioned to me… i.e., the one that John Sakars made himself… about himself. He's really a horrendously bad film-maker.  It's impossible to imagine anyone sitting through it continuously.
2984
2985	I know V.R. CLAIMS he learned nothing in film school… but still…
2986
2987	I think people do learn SOMETHING in film school.
2988
2989	https://youtu.be/XiuY6OqJuo8?t=1m30s
2990
2991	From the old days, before copyright enforcement on Youtube, when people made "original" videos for other peoples' songs… https://youtu.be/UQakz9-kvfI?t=9s O00000016a
2992
2993	Yeah, somehow, reading about the history of the civil war in Siberia reminded me of that link.
2994
2995	benyqpid: I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but re: "I think there are some sort of locker/hold services at yvr?" Yes, there is indeed a service of that kind (pay a fee, check your bags, etc.).
2996
2997	In Vancouver: http://www.edibleflours.ca/Menu.html
2998
2999	I infer that somebody is/are visiting Vancouver.
3000
3001	benyqpid: I'm in Vic City, a relatively short ferry-ride away: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLtwF08wvQ
3002
3003	I don't know which one you were, benyqpid
3004
3005	I just wasted my time looking at that listing of "vegan jobs". :-/
3006
3007	Life of crime. Lex Luthor style.
3008
3009	I assume the point is that Sam has "inherited the mantle" of DrGalactus. https://www.reddit.com/user/drgalactus
3010
3011	This is gold, Sam. It's like self-parody that's simultaneously intentional and unintentionally hilarious. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/n0250722/Screenshot%202016-01-24%2004.09.18.png
3012
3013	Sam, but if you don't buy Soylent in liquid form, is it REALLY the REAL THING?
3014
3015	Sam, do you eat any fresh fruit, or JUST Soylent 1.5?
3016
3017	My actual diet is already depressingly close to an astronaut's regiment: as I live on bananas + a supplement powder.
3018
3019	Vol, what's the worst case scenario? What's the best case scenario?
3020
3021	Vol: It never hurts to say "sup?". Using all of the syllables of "What is up?" might be a step too far.
3022
3023	protip: don't ask for advice on this IRC.
3024
3025	O00000016a: If/when you recover and get a real job, you realize you're going to disappear like DrGalactus, hm?
3026
3027	O00000016a: true confessions, how many bikes do you own?
3028
3029	I'm saying minimum = 3/
3030
3031	O00000016a: "complete or frames"… YOU'RE AVOIDING THE QUESTION!
3032
3033	Damn… 20 frames + 7 bikes rolling stock? WTF.
3034
3035	O00000016a: how tall are you? Do you have trouble finding good frames because you're extremely tall or short?
3036
3037	Man, there's no reason to own all that steel.
3038
3039	Yeah, but if you need to pack up and move, what happens to your bikes?
3040
3041	Property = chains that hold you in one place. Esp. property of this kind.
3042
3043	It would be hell selling that kind of stuff. You'd feel emotionally attached to it, try to put it on ebay one at a time, etc.
3044
3045	Selling a bike = harder than selling a dog.
3046
3047	O00000016a: one of my bikes is in a warehouse in Thailand, where I'll never see it again, and one parted ways with me in Jinghong, China. :-/ I'll probably never ride a bike again, period.
3048
3049	If I were to buy a bike again, I'd be intentionally getting something cheap enough that I could part ways without it being a big deal. Some one-speed shit that doesn't require maintenance.
3050
3051	And aluminum.
3052
3053	One speed: http://www.rbinc-sports.com/catalog/bikes/jamis-bikes/road/2015-road-fixie
3054
3055	Under $1000 (barely).
3056
3057	If you aren't on steroids, you don't need more.
3058
3059	I think NOT looking like a hipster is part of my struggle in life…
3060
3061	…thus the agonizing over ordering clothes the other day (thanks for the BDU advice, BTW).
3062
3063	But Trek will never be cool because it's Trek. :-/ Nor will it ever be intentionally-uncool because it's Trek. Lose-lose situation.
3064
3065	And, you realize, O00000016a, that if you live in Taiwan, all of this bike stuff costs 30% of the price you pay over here, etc. etc.
3066
3067	Even the Italian brands now manufacture in Taiwan.
3068
3069	Gad, what a relapse. I can't believe I'm even talking about bicycles. Out with you, ghost of long-distance-cycling-past.
3070
3071	Horizontal seat. (0_o) Are you secretly female, vegan_eggbeaters?
3072
3073	Greg Curnoe. Live by the bike, die by the bike. :-/ Met his wife, daughter, etc., back in the day. He lived in an abandoned church, converted to be his studio. Although his life would not have been my dream, it was somebody's dream. And he died under the wheels of a truck. Yeah, I remember him having a ton of bikes hanging on racks, too. No idea wh
3074
3075	ere his money came from, come to think of it (inheritance?).
3076
3077	I have fond memories of portuguese bakeries, vegan_eggbeaters, but they were 100% roast-chicken oriented where I came from. :-/
3078
3079	Yeah, but cf. portuguese potato bread. I can't be the only one who knows that.
3080
3081	Obviously, I should have learned Portuguese instead of studying Asian languages. :-/ SIGH. Then I could enjoy 25% unemployment and third-world conditions at first-world prices.
3082
3083	No matter how many times I provide a similar pronunciation guide, Cheetah still can't pronounce the name of my channel. ;-) He tries a few times in his latest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzH-x0n7xU
3084
3085	Man, there is no portuguese cornbread in my future… not unless I stop over at Macao. :-(
3086
3087	vegan_eggbeaters: I used to live in Catalonia, and various web-pages of mine reflect brief attempts to study the language.
3088
3089	Catalonia, also: 25% unemployment, etc. etc.
3090
3091	http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/search?q=Catalan
3092
3093	http://portuguesebreads.blogspot.ca/2013/05/bolo-do-caco-recipe.html
3094
3095	O00000016a did you actually watch your favorite TV show, or did your attachment to this IRC ruin it for you?
3096
3097	bunniesandguac: have you considered switching to Reform Judaism? They have their own university, etc.
3098
3099	Here in Canada, tuition is cheap, but scholarships are also cheap.  It's a lower risk game, but with less to win, also. bunniesandguac
3100
3101	http://huc.edu/academics/become-scholar
3102
3103	bunniesandguac: Man, my heart breaks for you… you're in a trap I know all-too-well. There are tuition-free options in Europe (for grad school), if you can find the energy to get fluent in German, and if you really want to push on to grad school in philosophy, etc. etc. (at low-cost or zero-cost).
3104
3105	.yt hoodie season droog
3106
3107	No, no, this is what I was looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kB2AVYa1JA
3108
3109	^ I already hyped this guy to you, BTW, O00000016a
3110
3111	That one track is, IMO, suitable for all-time-great lists. Don't know how many tracks of that quality he can produce, tho.
3112
3113	"You that kid who used to play barefoot in the McDonalds ball pit."
3114
3115	'Sup gogo.
3116
3117	GogoGilligan: just listening to Young Droog, getting work done for Uni, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIkHuC4qDI4
3118
3119	You noticed? ;-)
3120
3121	Don't know if I can actually provide advice that would help you get a higher grade…
3122
3123	…are you going to post it to a blog or equivalent? GogoGilligan
3124
3125	Yeah, these guys like to switch to live-chat systems…
3126
3127	…just so they can sit there and stare at each-other in silence.
3128
3129	It's cute and revolting at the same time.
3130
3131	Last time, you guys derailed my push-up routine, because of your long silences that I felt morally obliged to interrupt with witty banter.
3132
3133	Humblebrag.
3134
3135	No, wait: that was just regular brag.
3136
3137	http://utox.org/
3138
3139	GogoGilligan: Truth is that life hasn't really given me the luxury of focussing on anything. This semester I'm learning more about Togo and Fiji than I'd ever planned to, etc.
3140
3141	But yeah, cool: I'll take a look at the essay (as linked to).
3142
3143	Well, look, GogoGilligan, this essay is more intelligent than anything Breeze Harper has ever said or written. :-/ That's not much of a compliment, but hey: you got it.
3144
3145	The advice the essay offers, GogoGilligan, is not "actionable" (i.e., it isn't something that can be put into practice), but academic essays rarely offer actionable advice, so that's okay.  I think your main strength here is that you didn't phrase the matter in terms of inclusion-vs-exclusion… so, basically, the essay provides a survey of some of t
3146
3147	he thematic concerns, etc., and that's okay.
3148
3149	Ultimately, the two "intersections" you propose prioritizing here, GogoGilligan, would have to be subject to the same pragmatic scrutiny as the "single-axis approach to animal rights" that appears as the default on page one. Either an approach gets results, or it doesn't; or it gets a mix of good and bad results. You mention Dick Gregory as an exam
3150
3151	ple; yes, he's an interesting example, but, looking back on him (historically), is that an example you'd want to repeat? Is that a model for activism (or anything else) here and now? You can ask the same questions, perhaps more provocatively, about Jainism and vegan movements within Hinduism, too. So, yeah, questions that begin theoretically end pr
3152
3153	agmatically.
3154
3155	justin_timeforcake: the paperwork isn't as difficult as you might imagine.
3156
3157	.seen a-bas-le-ciel
3158
3159	O00000016a: How was x-files? (If you know what I mean, and I think that you do.)
3160
3161	s/curls/gurls
3162
3163	.yt jive turkeys Grip Grand DOOM
3164
3165	Serious question and yet really fairly silly: does anyone either (1) have a poster, or (2) have a specific suggestion for a poster I can order that would replace the poster in the background for all of my videos? Under heading 1, it would mean actually mailing me the poster or flag in question. It would need to be pretty big. https://www.youtube.co
3166
3167	m/watch?v=KfGQtAr0rFA
3168
3169	.urban cmwc
3170
3171	Sam, are you also a message-carrier (so to speak)?
3172
3173	Y'all know V. Rev. is a message carrier in London (as of the last I heard).
3174
3175	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU46nvzX5Qw
3176
3177	BTW, zeroes, you seemed to be away from the keyboard for this minor q: Serious question and yet really fairly silly: does anyone either (1) have a poster, or (2) have a specific suggestion for a poster I can order that would replace the poster in the background for all of my videos? Under heading 1, it would mean actually mailing me the poster or f
3178
3179	lag in question. It would need to be pretty big. O00000016a
3180
3181	O00000016a: dunno. I really thought about ordering a Qing dynasty flag… but the sad fact is that I'm not learning Chinese anymore. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Flag_of_the_Qing_dynasty_%281889-1912%29.svg/800px-Flag_of_the_Qing_dynasty_%281889-1912%29.svg.png
3182
3183	This room = 10 heterosexual men, two of them pretending to be women, making dick-jokes, asking for nudes, and proposing marriage to one-another (to get U.S. citizenship). IN A NUTSHELL.
3184
3185	xeLk: Nah, I get teh proposal from teh vegan single moms.
3186
3187	mloy, re: "can we talk about vegan shoes". Yes, but only if you're willing to shout over the dick-joke contest.
3188
3189	At a distance, it wouldn't look like much of anything, O00000016a. It just wouldn't turn up on camera.
3190
3191	bunniesandguac: Who are you talking to?  Apparently it isn't blood-wiper, as I currently don't have him set to "ignore".
3192
3193	bunniesandguac: Presumably, you've just been having an argument with someone who blocks me? Or else that was the world's most incoherent poem, written extempore on your part.
3194
3195	Ah, so this explains why I've never met/seen bunga.
3196
3197	Apparently he/she has been blocking me for all of this time.
3198
3199	Bunga is not even on the list of  users for me…
3200
3201	…and the name has never been highlighted for me, etc.
3202
3203	…so it is not just the usual "ignore" option.
3204
3205	So, hilariously, I guess you've been interacting with bunga "in front of me", and assuming I understood the in-jokes (or complaints, etc.), but I had no idea, all this time.
3206
3207	.seen bunga
3208
3209	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eer4jbZ6Uvk
3210
3211	O00000016a: What I am actually listening to (while doing supposedly-respectable research for the Uni): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP8kCKZVJ1U&list=PL3B6CEC8AE48D4A55
3212
3213	Their quality-of-execution (lyrically) is actually a lot more amateurish than most of the stuff I listen to… but it is sort of a refreshing change at this point.
3214
3215	.seen O00000016a
3216
3217	BTW, you may have missed this one in the shuffle (even though I know you listen to vlad's interviews, etc.). O00000016ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcJ_szc3TEA
3218
3219	Whoops. That didn't work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcJ_szc3TEA O00000016a
3220
3221	Re: "on a somewhat related note, damn we've reached 7.4 billion bodies" … what is the website you're measuring, vegan_eggbeaters?
3222
3223	Oh, I see… "7.4 billion" isn't  a measurement of web-traffic… I assume this is a measure of animals consumer per day (or something of the kind). (Sorry: no context, original comment was unclear to me.)
3224
3225	.seen zhaey
3226
3227	vegan_eggbeaters: congratulations, you are officially racist!
3228
3229	vegan_eggbeaters: claiming that "it's not racism, it's genetics" = even more  racist!
3230
3231	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5pnDkrCsDQ
3232
3233	.pp bunniesandguac
3234
3235	Speak truth to power, bunniesandguac.
3236
3237	There's a special place in Valhalla for people who have the patience to debate scentistic racism on the internets; I ain't one of them, so I have to settle for reincarnation inside a giant lotus plant in heaven, with the other second-rate Buddhists. :-/ bunniesandguac TELL THAT TO YOUR "WORLD RELIGIONS PROFESSOR"!
3238
3239	Hey, we've all got our prejudices, I just don't pretend to justify mine with "SCIENCE". And now, for something thematically related and yet completely different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxul87j24Vg
3240
3241	bunniesandguac: I really do sympathize with your side in this, I just don't see the point in trying to "speak truth" any further to this particular (tiny) audience on the issue. There's a lot of "cargo-cult science" out there… and, TBH, if you spend time with vegans, you'll hear tons of pseudoscience. But, hey, it's better than hanging out with fan
3242
3243	s of Sam Harris. ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6oIf1kz-Y4
3244
3245	bunniesandguac: Here in Canada, people live with conviction (absolute conviction) that First Nation (i.e., local indigenous people) have a genetic lack-of-capacity to cope with alcohol, and I have met and spoken with F.N. people who really believe this themselves. However, the real science shows the exact opposite: although there's a range of level
3246
3247	s-of-tolerance within the population, they have no genetic disadvantage compared to Europeans (in 2016). Still, there is a really deep cultural conviction/prejudice that they somehow react differently to alcohol…
3248
3249	…meanwhile, from the opposite end of the earth, I met a Japanese woman who actually has zero capacity to tolerate alcohol (a very rare genetic condition), and that condition can be tested for by just spraying alcohol on the skin (i.e., the reaction is so extreme). So, it is what it is.
3250
3251	https://youtu.be/qmlYe2KS0-Y?t=1m47s
3252
3253	morchella: Re: "everybody thinks their field is a good basis for understanding all the other ones", no, on the contrary, the very essence of being a SELF-HATING INTELLECTUAL is that you're aware of how deeply flawed your own field of study is, and how absurd its assumptions, etc. ;-)
3254
3255	realworld_thursday: Have we met on this IRC before? I have trouble remembering all of these fake names.
3256
3257	bunniesandguac: you should take a look at the ancient Buddhist creation myths, etc.; sensu stricto, "Creationism" is a broader category than just Christian Creationism. All of this shit about Buddhism being "scientific" is a strange contrast to the creation myth we have in the Buddhist Canon (specifically, in the Digha Nikaya).
3258
3259	https://youtu.be/Wf3jzDb4H7o?t=22s
3260
3261	.mm vegan-eggbeaters
3262
3263	.pp mx_missile_proof
3264
3265	^ intentional irony. ;-)
3266
3267	http://www.timescolonist.com/thug-kitchen-vegan-bloggers-storm-foodie-nation-1.2152659
3268
3269	.seen O00000016a
3270
3271	I think zeroes finally got a job.
3272
3273	vucket, go away.
3274
3275	The youtuber known as "A Privileged Vegan" explains to you why she's anti-Israel (but not anti-Semitic, she promises/swears!). https://youtu.be/Ib3cjgO9ooE?t=5m25s
3276
3277	https://youtu.be/AzR_J6Hrrr4
3278
3279	https://youtu.be/gaTsM_ytAgU?t=48s
3280
3281	Magnanimity: I assume he had household servants, and the servants were not vegetarian.
3282
3283	Re: "a lot of the great thinkers were".  No, really, if you're being honest with yourself, ethical veganism has been astoundingly rare in the history of the world, and ethical vegetarianism is already amazingly rare/scarce in the historical record.
3284
3285	mloy: no, Saskatchewan is the exception, re: "standard time" vs. "daylight savings".
3286
3287	(Within Canada, that is.)
3288
3289	test12: It's really simple: nobody talks to anyone else… and our train system is terrible and/or non-existent… so nobody notices all the time-zones. :-/
3290
3291	Yeah, you can read/watch many interviews with Ai Weiwei translated into English, elyukayee
3292
3293	…however, he is more famous in the western world than he is within China.
3294
3295	Even Chinese people who are interested in politics often have never heard of the guy, etc.
3296
3297	Too long. :-/ http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/No-Nostalgia-for-Laos.html
3298
3299	Me? https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
3300
3301	.urban big meat
3302
3303	.urban wap
3304
3305	.urban NSA
3306
3307	.urban OED
3308
3309	Oh, sorry, I was looking for the vegan chatroom. This is the Arch-Linux admit room, right? (Footsteps)
3310
3311	s/admit/admin
3312
3313	Correction, <a-bas-le-ciel> Oh, sorry, I was looking for the vegan chatroom. This is the Arch-Linux admin room, right? (Footsteps)
3314
3315	O00000016a: I had optimistically assumed you got a job, girlfriend, or meat-eating habit.*
3316
3317	* [Two out of three are optimistic.]
3318
3319	O00000016a: Oh, yeah, while you were lacking electricity, my youtube channel continued its downward spiral into alienating 90% of the vegans who could possibly enjoy watching it. ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQZEnutNLpI
3320
3321	kenhamlovesu: It would be too long. :-/ Did you catch my 15 minutes on Sam Harris?
3322
3323	I mean the book review, posted just yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6oIf1kz-Y4
3324
3325	The sad thing is that, fundamentally, if nobody gives a damn about Buddhism, then they sincerely see nothing wrong with Harris's misrepresentation of Buddhism (and everything else), etc.  https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/4397g0/sam_harris_waking_up_book_review_%C3%A0basleciel/
3326
3327	When I spoke directly with Sam Harris fans before (i.e., a few months ago), it seemed to be difficult to get them to admit (to themselves) that Sam Harris really is "a Buddhist", and is writing about Buddhism, making claims about Buddhism, etc.
3328
3329	Believe me, I would enjoy talking about Harris MORE if he actually were writing as a skeptic… but he isn't. He's a true believer. And he's a believer in a podunk-ignorant (debased) version of the religion.
3330
3331	That is actually a funny joke, kenhamlovesu, but 0.0001% of people could get it.
3332
3333	Nah. morchella I'm aware of it, and I've had a few conversations about it with guys who lived there, etc.
3334
3335	.bis artibonite valley
3336
3337	.g artibonite valley
3338
3339	Sam: u.k. = full of vegan females. Start hanging out with London Vegan Actions, and you'll be married in no time. https://www.youtube.com/user/veganactivistsisters/videos
3340
3341	.urban mandy
3342
3343	Sam Harris = Rick Ross of the professional Atheist game. Glamorizing drugs for the kids. And for bored housewives, I guess. :-/
3344
3345	https://youtu.be/VNYk60vA118
3346
3347	BTW, you guys already know about this? "Forest Green". http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/30/football/world-health-organization-meat-vegan-football/
3348
3349	It would be cool if you could get a reasonably-priced Forest Green shirt/jersey as an INDIRECT way of identifying as vegan…
3350
3351	…but you can't. :-(
3352
3353	Stuck with BDUs and Pumas. :-/
3354
3355	Naw, man, check the prices (plus shipping to Canada): https://shop.forestgreenroversfc.com/forestgreenrovers/asp/bookTickets.asp?dept=Shop
3356
3357	And nobody would know what the hell you were repping.
3358
3359	Anyway, they're the only vegan team out (correct me if I'm wrong).
3360
3361	Arright, this one ain't bad (assuming shipping doesn't cost a fortune): https://shop.forestgreenroversfc.com/forestgreenrovers/asp/displayProductDetail.asp?id={EF1E9CF3-1674-4BC1-9594-638233BC2E88}
3362
3363	Ah, out of stock anyway.
3364
3365	Back to Chinese foreign policy.
3366
3367	Pff.
3368
3369	I'll have to get something branded by an obscure Japanese vegan group.
3370
3371	I don't even know what "group" means in that sentence.
3372
3373	.yt rick ross black white
3374
3375	.yt NAS & RICK ROSS - ACCIDENT MURDERER
3376
3377	O00000016a: https://hangouts.google.com/call/xtdocnoq67j23a3oddod6yanhaa
3378
3379	O00000016a:
3380
3381	SnaquilleOatmeal: Where do you teach? (i.e., what continent/country.)
3382
3383	bostonsonoma: I've influenced at least one of my professors to try to become vegan.
3384
3385	It happens.
3386
3387	Not everyone is an idiot.
3388
3389	.urban li
3390
3391	.seen O00000016a
3392
3393	SnaquilleOatmeal: You have just implicitly admitted that you're single. Unless you got a new boyfriend a week later.
3394
3395	SnaquilleOatmeal: This chat-room is predominantly populated by single, male Linux administrators. Expect attention accordingly. ;-)
3396
3397	^^ Nope. https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
3398
3399	.urban sarcasm
3400
3401	arabchic: Not everyone on the internet is anonymous. I use my real name and my real face. When people want to know more about me, I link accordingly. You should try it. Yeah, I've seen you on this IRC before. Yet I know nothing about you. You play by your rules, and I play by mine; but it's the same game.
3402
3403	socksy|ded: I think I need more of a long-term career than cult-leadership could provide.  And, of course, the job is only as interesting as the people you work with. And that can be a problem.
3404
3405	socksy|ded: If you're talking about a life cut tragically short, yes.
3406
3407	http://www.thefader.com/2009/01/12/n-o-r-e-goes-vegan --I'm not sure if N.O.R.E. is now an ex-vegan, or if he had just been part-time vegan all along.
3408
3409	Yeah, N.O.R.E. now has a new cooking show (or restaurant-review show)… it ain't vegan.
3410
3411	http://wdmv362radio.com/News/n-o-r-e-talks-new-food-show-mobb-deep-vince-staples-and-more-vide?context=tag-hip+hop
3412
3413	So I guess he counts as ex-vegan at this point. :-/ D.J. Whiteowl was also vegan for a while, but perhaps just to lose weight, etc.
3414
3415	.yt lil b evil red flame
3416
3417	However, that wasn't the song I was trying to link to, TBH. morchella
3418
3419	benyqpid: So you're another member from B.C.? We've got at least three or four people here (regularly) from B.C., I think.
3420
3421	.yt lil b turned me cold god's father
3422
3423	http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2015/10/Lil-B-on-being-vegan.html
3424
3425	https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/IlsXHm1jQo2x4KW5x2yw
3426
3427	.urban nooch
3428
3429	.urban ppk
3430
3431	.seen O00000016a
3432
3433	seen O00000016a
3434
3435	.seen O00000016a
3436
3437	Ha ha… I guess the electricity came back on in N.S.
3438
3439	Electricity is not vegan. http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/electrocuted-squirrel-blamed-for-n-s-power-outage-1.2757967
3440
3441	Wow, i can't believe i finally found an active vegan internet board and all you virgins talk about is information technology. You should talk about japan and communism.
3442
3443 Yeah, okay, I took the bait, too, Ostwind:
3444
3445 https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/418n5c/im_not_vegan_but_i_believe_in_mutual_respect_how/cz0gd68
3446
3447 No, I mean I "took the bait" presented by the O.P. in that discussion.
3448
3449 Yep.  That's "as good as it gets" under E.U. regulations.
3450
3451 .help
3452
3453 .8ball
3454
3455 .8ball why does this command exist?
3456
3457 .pancake
3458
3459 .metacritic
3460
3461 .seen zzqw
3462
3463 Japanese vegan walking around Vienna, Austria: https://youtu.be/S2mrgVJ5IJ0
3464
3465 It's true, in general, those giant pretzels are vegan (I had ppl check the ingredients list while I was in Germany, a few weeks ago).
3466
3467 (1) It is me, (2) I "know" the Japanese guy in the video, in as much as anyone knows anyone via the internet.
3468
3469 He starts almost every sentence with "えっと" [etto]… and my Japanese education is so lousy that I couldn't even recognize the word.
3470
3471 Oh, I interpreted, "Is that you?" as "Are you really a-bas-le-ciel?" https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
3472
3473 That's me (on youtube).
3474
3475 So you guys watch a movie simultaneously, and send messages back-and-forth while it plays?
3476
3477 test12 Some things are very simple and obvious, and yet escape the metallic-fingered grasp of Google Translate. ;-)
3478
3479 And, speaking of metal fingers… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JvVprLwZfo
3480
3481 Looks like I hit 1000 subscribers today… didn't have a plan to do/say anything.  Hm.
3482
3483 I'm not trying to stack up subscribers, but the implicitly cool thing is just that I'm aware that I have a high rate of unsubscribers…
3484
3485 …i.e., a pretty fussy and demanding audience.
3486
3487 But, really, the utility of the channel is that somebody who doesn't know me at all can meet me, and then binge-watch it. ;-)
3488
3489 pok … no, and I'm vaguely planning a future video along the lines of, "Why I am not French". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JrEWVzfyWY
3490
3491 Oh, yeah, O00000016a … that video has a Lil B soundtrack.
3492
3493 Man, I done been to Montpellier.  I ain't never going back to Montpellier. :-(
3494
3495 That's on the list of places I would avoid visiting even more than Cambodia.
3496
3497 You see the enduring salience of DMX's "Y'all don't really know" in situations like this? ;-) https://youtu.be/ITOEVDYX-ss?t=15s
3498
3499 Sorry if it's your home town, Pok.  We all got different struggles in life.
3500
3501 Totally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BNRKt3f3c
3502
3503 Anyone who gets a work-permit at Phnom Penh airport is Cambodian. http://www.pali.pratyeka.org/Map2004to2009.jpg
3504
3505 https://youtu.be/Tu31oZ6eRwk @ O00000016a Give this one a chance: I think you'll be surprised.
3506
3507 Yeah, that was a really interesting "crossroads" period in Cambodian hip-hop…
3508
3509 …basically thanks to one guy from California who got a job in a telecom company, and put effort into music part-time.
3510
3511 This one takes a while to get rolling, but you can also appreciate "the fundamentals": https://youtu.be/JxiblWH4KMo
3512
3513 Khmer (the Cambodian language) is really well-suited to rap, I.M.O.  Many other languages can't really fit the format.
3514
3515 Re: "what are you holding in your hand in the sam harris is wrong video?" The microphone. @ bunniesandguac
3516
3517 It would be more amusing if it were the oversized pommel on a walking-stick… but no, it's just a microphon @ bunniesandguac https://youtu.be/za4w_jWeZsA?t=27m21s
3518
3519 Three hours later, this debate on Reddit is still ongoing: https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/418n5c/im_not_vegan_but_i_believe_in_mutual_respect_how/cz0gry7?context=3
3520
3521 nomisaurus It's cool to disagree with me, too. ;-) I'm not starting a cult… yet.
3522
3523 xeLk This forces me to submit yet another link into the conversation (on Dawkins): http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2014/05/richard-dawkins-eats-meat-and-makes-excuses-for-it.html
3524
3525 Quote, "The objection to using humans for meat would be not just that they are human, but that they would feel fear, they would know what was coming to them,…
3526
3527 Quote, "…they would be in a position to suffer in a way that a pig or a cow, if it was well treated, would not. So my aim would always be to reduce suffering…".
3528
3529 Although you would have to listen to me laughing for ten minutes straight to hear it, one of my most-watched videos was a rant pointing out that neither Dawkins nor Harris were vegan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRrc7HXQuzA
3530
3531 "Do you have a few minutes, ma'am. I would like to tell you about Plutarch, our lord and savior.  Also a better author than most of the major religions."
3532
3533 Yeah, but, you can't choose your religion on the basis of rational evaluation; that would lead to nihilism. ;-)
3534
3535 'Sup, O00000016a
3536
3537 You guys need to broaden your religious horizons.  https://youtu.be/D0FMMlM-wos
3538
3539 I assume "SalingerFan11" is one of the members of this same chat-room, unusually bored? https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/41a6n3/are_there_any_reasons_why_a_young_earth/
3540
3541 And yet I just drank 1.89 L of soy-milk in a single sitting.
3542
3543 I can remember interacting with "Christian Vegans" online… people who want to convince themselves that Christianity is implicitly vegan and vice-versa… :-/ It's sad, but what are you going to say?  The world is full of broken-hearted people, clinging on to such things.
3544
3545 I feel the quality of discourse has declined somewhat, from the tenor that was maintained back when we were sharing links to Cambodian rap music.
3546
3547 I'm on the west coast of Canada: same time-zone as L.A. nomisaurus
3548
3549 Similar crazy history of fighting against the Spanish, too.  Spain formerly held this island, etc.
3550
3551 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrTJrq2dgzs
3552
3553 The song makes me feel really sad, TBH… reflecting on years lost studying Cambodian (as a language)… the lost potential of that whole country in general, and my own lost potential as a biped. :-/
3554
3555 Sin Sisamouth was killed by the Communists.  Like everyone else. :-/
3556
3557 The Communists didn't need a reason to kill you.  They killed huge numbers of people, including (even especially) other Communists ("purges").
3558
3559 Quote, "In the jail, we were forced to perform hard labor for 5 months, then in November, I did not remember the exact day, around 5:30 PM, it was already late when 2 to 3 Chhlobs came in with a list to call the prisoners to be taken away [to kill] as usual."
3560
3561 "On that day, Bang Samouth’s name was called among the names of 4 or 5 other prisoners. … Before he was escorted out, he hugged me but he did not leave any message for his family, he simply said: “I am leaving before you Pha-aun (younger brother), may you remain behind in peace.”"
3562
3563 Source, if you want to read the rest of the story: http://ki-media.blogspot.ca/2006/04/memories-from-khmer-rouge-era-murder.html
3564
3565 Yep.  From the C. perspective, we're all just so many servants of the feudal regime, the imperialists and capitalists… just like Wu-Tang, DMX, and everyone else. :-/
3566
3567 You probably already know, 016a, that I made videos on these sorts of themes a relatively long time ago, on my channel: https://youtu.be/0rtfadswTdw
3568
3569 Nah, I've made the decision (long ago) that Indonesia is "outside of my scope of learning", O00000016a
3570
3571 My "scope" keeps expanding, even though I'd prefer for it to remain focused/narrow:
3572
3573 Now I'm working on Japan, Tonga, Fiji, Russia… :-/  You can't know everything.
3574
3575 It also relates back to Cheetah's current controversy:
3576
3577 I don't give my opinions (e.g.) on the Palestine conflict, because I really have no salient expertise.
3578
3579 I know more-than-zero about the Israel-Palestine conflict (and I meet plenty of people who know less than I do), but still… it's just not my place to make contribution in that field/debate.
3580
3581 (Whereas I can rant about Sam Harris and Theravada Buddhism for an hour at a stretch, effortlessly.) ;-) :-/ :-|
3582
3583 Re: "does that tie into mindfulness?" Not really.  Comes out of a western philosophical tradition about having a focus on the limits of knowledge as defining knowledge: what you know is adumbrated by what you posit as unknown (what you're aware that you don't know).
3584
3585 Am I wrong in suggesting that nobody in this group could possibly be old enough to remember "Wayne's World", 1992, or its rarely-seen sequel, Wayne's World 2?
3586
3587 Are you actually old enough to remember 1992?
3588
3589 I saw Wayne's Word 3 in a hotel room in 1993, and I wasn't REALLY paying attention, but I remember it being more structured and dense than the original.
3590
3591 Sorry, typo: Wayne's Word 2 (in 1993).
3592
3593 Sharp, 016.  Very sharp.
3594
3595 Currently, most of the focus seems to be on nude performances (to convince people to go vegan)… costumes would probably be more effective than public nudity.  However, vegans generally seem to be hung up on nude performances, for the time being.
3596
3597 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/world-vegan-day-2014-naked-peta-protesters-lie-covered-in-blood-at-trafalgar-square-9833195.html
3598
3599 Correction, <a-bas-le-ciel> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/world-peta-day-2014-naked-peta-protesters-lie-covered-in-blood-at-trafalgar-square-9833195.html
3600
3601 Once again, resorting to Cambodian rap music to raise the tenor of the conversation. ;-) https://youtu.be/FmvOz4ICMgs?t=12s
3602
3603 Nah.  I used one Khmer rap DVD (with subtitles) to study/practice the language.
3604
3605 They pronounce the language very clearly in rap lyrics (not true of singing, by contrast).
3606
3607 In Cambodia, I spent all my time doing push-ups and reading books in my apartment. :-/ UNLIKE MY LIFE RIGHT NOW, hm?
3608
3609 Just a lot of hard work, suffering and sorrow, TBH. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Bv3nfgmiPhs/T7vCRtOOVNI/AAAAAAAAALc/K9k8OVrcXsM/s1600/Illustration+for+09+Modest+Proposal.jpg
3610
3611 https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics --you can try it for a change of pace.
3612
3613 Notice the subtle difference between Taiwan & China (or almost everywhere in Asia): Taiwan has elections, freedom of speech, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4PrPUNe2UY
3614
3615 Honestly, I  don't know enough to have an opinion about Al Jazeera.  I don't own a TV, and haven't watched TV for many years, etc.
3616
3617 Man, more references from 1992 or earlier (inigo montoya). 0_0
3618
3619 I don't use the term "straight edge" due to confusion that surrounds it, but you are correct in ascertaining that I don't use alcohol or drugs of any kind.
3620
3621 Somehow, absurdly, the original "straight edge" movement was also anti-sex… classifying sex as a drug… and I neither dig the logic nor the praxis behind that.
3622
3623 On the other hand, as you know, 106a, I consumed 1.89 L of soy-milk today… :-/ so I'm not  a perfect role model.
3624
3625 Caffeine is the mind-killer, man.  The effects are hard to perceive… but really pervasive.
3626
3627 Caffeine withdrawal is really fascinating / amazing… like, you get so little of a "high" out of the drug, but the withdrawal effects can be really amazing.  (I've thought about making a Youtube video on that subject in the past.)
3628
3629 Cocaine is vegan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w14YA2vyHMc
3630
3631 Yes, it's NSFW, because I'm wearing a revealing t-shirt. :-/
3632
3633 I've never heard Ken Hamm's perspective on Cocaine, come to think of it.
3634
3635 If you're really a creationist, you'd have to believe that cocaine (etc.) are "created for a reason". :-/ Man, what  a shitty philosophy.
3636
3637 On that long road to the library now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVWKPy7xugs
3638
3639 BTW, there is a really depressing /r/ at https://www.reddit.com/r/cocaine
3640
3641 If you read some of the posts there, you'll want to take a shower afterward. :-/
3642
3643 I think the question of "most depressing /r/" could be a topic that goes a long, long way down. :-/
3644
3645 You realize that you guys have been spinning these inside jokes for so long that an outsider has no idea who's kidding and who's not.
3646
3647 .mm small dairy
3648
3649 I'm vegan, but I dress up like a meat eater every day, so I can "pass" in polite society. :-/ ONLY HALF JOKING.
3650
3651 BTW, O00000016a, do you already know Droog? https://soundcloud.com/your-old-droog/hidden-persuaders-prod-by-dj-skizz
3652
3653 .seen a-bas-le-ciel
3654
3655 Nope. :-/
3656
3657 Oh yeah… I made a video on Creationism years ago, when I first started my Youtube channel.  Just glancing at it now, I think it has the highest ratio of "thumbs down" of any video I've made (?) thus far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0miZkQmF7ag
3658
3659 No no, I disable the comments because I'm a despicable human being. ;-)
3660
3661 No, TBH, I was never a fan of the Luniz.  I had a sort of room-mate from France when I lived in China for a few weeks who was a big fan of the Luniz; I think he was over 50.
3662
3663 bunniesandguac: Try to raise the issue of the ocean being above the sky (in the actual writ of the old testament). :-/
3664
3665 You mean, it's too late for me use Dong Rong as my stage-name? :-(
3666
3667 This song (along with its subtitles) provides a great illustration of just how difficult it is to even approximately insinuate the correct Cambodian pronunciation using Roman/English transcription: https://youtu.be/s5hFZeWk-fw?t=35s
3668
3669 Track in the background of the hair video reminds me of classic proto-hip-hop (i.e., not really part of rap as a genre).  You already know Icka Prick, 016a? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eavUlz7Ad_o
3670
3671 bunniesandguac …what are you looking for?  A cover version of the Al Green song?
3672
3673 At least now we're talking about music that was recorded before any of us were born. :-/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICKToz7BLLA
3674
3675 Well, that was educational.
3676
3677 Yeah, same.  You guys seem to have developed an amazingly high tolerance for irony.  Like, living in a state of being perpetually trapped in ironic sayings and doings…
3678
3679 …to the extent of pretending to do things you only pretend to consider fun, while remarking on how ironic it is, because you don't actually enjoy doing them.
3680
3681 And that's perfectly normal.  Don't get me wrong. ;-)
3682
3683 Re: "isnt that all of the internet?
3684
3685 Naw, all kinds of exceptions.
3686
3687 Here, watch this single mom break down weeping about how she figured out that her husband was a drug addict:
3688
3689 https://youtu.be/tGe4uWEvwe8
3690
3691 Zero irony. -_-
3692
3693 Sure, man, but that's what great about the internet: all kinds of real shit (that is really, REALLY real)…
3694
3695 …it isn't all bemused irony (by any means).
3696
3697 Here, jump to 19 min: real weeping. https://youtu.be/tGe4uWEvwe8?t=19m12s
3698
3699 You know it's real.  It has that ineluctable quality of the sincere, the banal and the tragic.
3700
3701 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PSLQheqOLU
3702
3703 That's what's great about the internet: real, real, real.
3704
3705 Realer than anthropology ever was. TM
3706
3707 See!  I'm converting you to post-post-irony!
3708
3709 .pancakes O00000016a
3710
3711 .pancakes
3712
3713 .help
3714
3715 .pancake O00000016a
3716
3717 There you go.  My first useless IRC command.
3718
3719 (I infer from the stunned silence that you are now all "strung out" on videos from CandidMommy).
3720
3721 (Well… this essay about Fiji & Tonga isn't going to write itself…)
3722
3723 .seen a-bas-le-ciel
3724
3725 I'
3726
3727 I'm posting a link to this IRC on my Youtube channel today (a "shout out", as they say).
3728
3729 So, you'll presumably be flooded by all 10 of my viewers. ;-) Or the few who want to ruin the exclusivity of the scene.
3730
3731 Hey, being a hipster isn't about exclusivity: it's about enjoying mainstream garbage while claiming to be too intelligent to actually enjoy it.
3732
3733 https://youtu.be/HR0l05GsA1U
3734
3735 There's a shout-out to this group in the last few minutes of that video (just posted).
3736
3737 You can jump to the 13 min mark, if you just want to see that part of it.
3738
3739 Well, you could get 10 or 15 really interesting people joining the group…
3740
3741 …and you could get a few people who hate my guts, and want to come on here to slander me, too. ;-)
3742
3743 Re: "how did your essay go?" :-/ TBH, not finished yet.
3744
3745 Hey, you'll get "quality people" who have the patience to wait through 12 minutes of me talking about the U.N. ;-)
3746
3747 Good thing it isn't at the start of the video, hm?
3748
3749 Fig-trees can be beautiful as hell, in the tropics.
3750
3751 They're teeming with life --insects, birds, monkeys, etc.
3752
3753 But in Canada… the cost-benefit ratio for figs is fairly poor.
3754
3755 You'
3756
3757 You'd have to spend a lot of money to get quality figs "here" (i.e., anywhere in Canada).
3758
3759 Figs are unique in terms of the evolution of plants: they are basically a flower that never blossoms…
3760
3761 …relying on insects to crawl inside the "blossom" (i.e., the fig itself).
3762
3763 That's why figs are full of seeds in the way that they are…
3764
3765 …however…
3766
3767 …you need a huge quantity of pesticides (under most circumstances) to produce commercial figs.
3768
3769 But, hey, more than one way to skin a cat.  A vegan cat.  A tofu cat. Whatever.
3770
3771 Calorie-Kin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR0l05GsA1U
3772
3773 Blood, what climate/continent do you live in?
3774
3775 Yeah.  Me too.
3776
3777 Well, complaining about U.N. reports is pretty boring. ;-) The videos in which I'm complaining about my ex-wife are way more entertaining.
3778
3779 But don't worry, the whole channel is gradually transforming into an advertising platform for Yoga DVDs and diet-books.
3780
3781 Don't worry about it, Calorie-Kin, I'm not fragile.
3782
3783 This is an official government promotion from Israel… advertising Tel
3784
3785 Aviv as the world's capital of veganism.
3786
3787 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWxfOGtACGY
3788
3789 Truly, a bizarre chapter in the history of cultural tourism, and the changing cultural outlook for veganism. In 2015, secular Jews are a louder voice for veganism than Buddhists. Logically, that shouldn't be true, but it is.
3790
3791 I'd recommend Taiwan, rather than Canada (having lived in both countries), Calorie-Kin.
3792
3793 But, hey, if you base your location on searching OkCupid for the word "vegan" (and looking at the results), then Israel is clearly the best place on earth to live.
3794
3795 Calorie-Kin: To answer your question, Taiwan is one of the best places in the world to be vegan. I paused for a moment, what sort of link I could provide to informally illustrate or substantiate this claim… I suppose this will do: http://www.happycow.net/asia/taiwan/taipei/
3796
3797 I won't encourage this forum's tendency to degenerate into endless complaints about how life in Canada is hell (any more than usual). ;-) 016a is also Canadian, as you probably know.
3798
3799 Yeah, the reality is that veganism is a majority-religious movement, both in terms of present-tense vegans, and those who have the potential to become vegan;
3800
3801 in places like Taiwan, India, etc.
3802
3803 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD4CdCy6KD4
3804
3805 Unemployment in Canada currently = 7.1%  Some part of Europe are around 25%.  Does anyone want to guess Taiwan's rate of unemployment?
3806
3807 It's only 3.84% in Taiwan, Calorie-Kin.
3808
3809 In many ways, economically, etc., countries like Taiwan & Japan are more advanced than Canada.  So, it is what it is: we all make difficult choices in life.
3810
3811 Incidentally, Calorie-Kin, if you can read hebrew, you can access the gov't of Israel's (real) stats on how many people are vegan: they've been collecting the stats for years, but the press relies on occasional snippets translated into English.
3812
3813 (I also tried to download the raw data, but that part of the gov't website seemed not to be working.)
3814
3815 Question 4.360 on this survey (repeated annually) is the source of the one-and-only valid stat on how many vegans there are in Israel, Calorie-Kin (and the results are available from the same website, but in Hebrew, etc.).  http://www.cbs.gov.il/www/skarim/social_surv/seker2010_e.pdf I would love to make a youtube video on that, but I don't have th
3816
3817 e data.
3818
3819 Japan = vegan hell, but I'll probably have to move there anyway. :-/ life is full of contradictions.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1oTxFmyiw
3820
3821 @ xeLk spending money. ;-)
3822
3823 Well… there's a video on my youtube channel called "What language am I learning next?", with the answer being Japanese.  You can check that out if you want to know more. xeLk
3824
3825 Calorie-Kin If you get those stats (from the Social Survey, etc.) you can find my e-mail really easily (google my name + email), and get in touch with me. Only one year's stat was put into an Eng. lang press report, so that's the stat everyone uses; but we should be able to see the year-on-year change in the stat.
3826
3827 @WenGobou, it depends on what you want out of life. :-/ But learning Japanese was not my choice. So, fundamentally, I'm learning it for the wrong reasons, and trying to make the best of a pretty terrible situation.
3828
3829 Arright.
3830
3831 Thanks for checking.  The stats exist (in Hebrew) somewhere (possibly in a PDF, etc.)…
3832
3833 …as public information, but seemingly nobody can access it (yet).
3834
3835 Yeah, Calorie-Kin, I wonder if you have to access it from within Israel, or if there's some other technical hurdle (it suggests using a really old web-browser… some old version of I.E.).
3836
3837 Anyway, thanks for trying.
3838
3839 1.7% is probably accurate.
3840
3841 1.7% is huge, compared to any other nation.
3842
3843 Ah, glad you heard it, bunniesandguac
3844
3845 …but …yeah …you see that stack of books on my desk.  It ain't getting any smaller.
3846
3847 kt-thunder Francione is  a divisive figure: however, most vegans do not want to criticize other vegans… so they will tend to just omit to mention the aspects of the guy's approach that they disagree with.
3848
3849 If you want more material on this, kt-thunder, you can cf. the critique of DxE by Francione, and (vice-versa) the responses to Francione by DxE (they "hate" each-other, in some sense).
3850
3851 Thanks very much, Kin… but this is exactly the part I can't get to work (on a Mac, in Canada).
3852
3853 Bye.
3854
3855 I get hyper-defensive responses from people online all the time, justin_timeforcake
3856
3857 I sent a completely non-specific statement of sympathy to a vegan who has her own youtube channel,
3858
3859 really vaguely saying something like, "Yeah, it's a struggle / these things are difficult, etc."
3860
3861 and I got a reply that was extremely hostile, defensive, and denying what she had directly said herself in her own videos (i.e., denying her own complaints about what makes her own life difficult)…
3862
3863 …basically just so she could write to me saying, "Who the hell do you think you are to have pity on me?"
3864
3865 It is what it is.
3866
3867 Sadly, it's really common and normal.
3868
3869 And it's why Facebook has a "block" function. :-/
3870
3871 No, Swayze has been very cool (just a few messages back-and-forth). She's given me a few shout-outs, in videos, messages, etc.
3872
3873 Meanwhile, Veg. Revolution is waging a year-long anti-Swayze campaign, as you may already know.
3874
3875 So, there's plenty of meaningless hostility in the mix.
3876
3877 Yeah, exactly: it's 50 guys all competing to be Unnatural Vegan's next boyfriend. :-/ They just have a strange way of doing it.
3878
3879 Yeah yeah, Veg. Rev. and I "know each-other" to the limited extent that people do online. He'll probably come on this forum and denounce me, sooner or later. Heartborne
3880
3881 DxE protests at restaurants… but they're simultaneously opposed to any "single issue cause" that would actually make a specific difference in a specific restaurant. :-/
3882
3883 https://youtu.be/DwwaSpy_ZB8?t=2m50s
3884
3885 Groups like "London Vegan Actions" are more down-to-earth, IMO…
3886
3887 …but both Francione & DxE would condemn them as "single issue" (vs. abolitionist), etc. etc.
3888
3889 But those were VEGAN fish, man. ;-)
3890
3891 Vegan fish is real, whether or not you believe it exists: https://www.kin-j.com/en/shop/kinj-brands/kuangtee-vegetarian-salted-fish-slices-10/
3892
3893 Yeah, and that video was seen and responded-to by "everyone" within DxE, as well as many disaffected ex-members.
3894
3895 To their credit, DxE posted a link to the video (i.e., my critique) on their Twitter account, etc.
3896
3897 Ostwind, no it is a critique of DxE proper, and the "guy" you're alluding to is the founder and "great leader" of DxE himself.
3898
3899 I made at least one other video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=DxE
3900
3901 But, yeah, DxE pretends to have "horizontal" leadership… but it is run by Wayne and his girlfriend, top-down. I don't even say that as a complaint, really, but it seems to be something they avoid admitting themselves (the hierarchical nature of the org, and who is in charge, etc.).
3902
3903 Ostwind… compared to anything else that happens on the internet, it really isn't that weird at all. :-)
3904
3905 Because I'm a despicable human being. ;-)
3906
3907 @Hendrix, yeah, and you can look through any of the "greywater" reports, as referenced in my relatively controversial "fake vegan statistics" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTFVzQniGw
3908
3909 And now you can make friends with a whole bunch of people whose names are even more difficult to spell than mine. :-/ (Seriously, who the hell can type out O00000016a?)
3910
3911 Re: "how do u not know about tab complete". Man, you know EXACTLY what I'm wasting my time learning (instead of such valuable things as how to use IRC slang, and the dot-pancakes command, etc.).
3912
3913 No, I'm sorry, Hendrix: I really do not want to sound insulting, but from your message I can tell that you haven't yet done the reading.
3914
3915 Many of the fundamental factors seem counter-intuitive at first, but you can figure it out.
3916
3917 Fundamental factors such as the number of months the animal is alive (before slaughter) skew "savings" in other areas. Hendrix
3918
3919 So, a pig that only lives for 3 months in a steel crate is more "efficient" than one that lives for 6 months outdoors, etc.
3920
3921 As I say, these things are "counter-intuitive", but seem obvious after you've done a certain amount of reading.
3922
3923 BTW, Hendrix, a famous author named Monbiot (writes for the Guardian) went over this material for YEARS before he figured out what I've just explained to you…
3924
3925 …he really wanted to believe the myth of free-range, etc., but eventually he had to concede that "the numbers don't pencil".
3926
3927 And here's a PDF full of facts nobody wants to read on the matter. :-/ http://waterfootprint.org/media/downloads/Mekonnen-Hoekstra-2012-WaterFootprintFarmAnimalProducts_1.pdf
3928
3929 Yeah, take a look at the sixth page of the document I just sent you, Hendrix (numbered as p. 406). That introduces you to the strange inversions involved.
3930
3931 Grazing beef at 21,829 (liters) vs. industrial beef at 10,224 (liters)… and farming in the Netherlands being vastly more efficient than free-range in third-world countries, etc. etc.
3932
3933 It is what it is.
3934
3935 This is probably the (indirect) source of most of the propaganda you've heard on the subject, Ostwind & Hendix http://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2014/aug/04/eat-more-meat-and-save-the-world-the-latest-implausible-farming-miracle
3936
3937 (Sorry, Hendix = Hendrix, link above)
3938
3939 Yeah, it is just one indication…
3940
3941 …you'll probably enjoy reading the survey of ecological damage caused by meat-production (i.e., not just water usage) in exactly the report mentioned in my video (link below vid, BTW).
3942
3943 No, hendrix, the report described (and linked to) in the current video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR0l05GsA1U
3944
3945 I don't think/care much about Py-Crank, but hearing that doesn't surprise me: DxE has tried to play some of the same games with being "not vegan", and attacking the definition of veganism, etc.@ Heartborne.
3946
3947 If you've got the patience, you can hear the "debate" on this issue at Vegan Radio (basically, DxE being asked, "Why the hell would you discard the word 'vegan'?", and DxE having absolutely no good answer). http://www.goveganradio.com/26-july-2015/
3948
3949 Hendrix, if you're talking about New Zealand, its status as a dairy exporter actually has a lot to do with "legal trickery" (one of the things the T.P.P. may end)…
3950
3951 and, amazingly, I have made a Youtube video on this obscure subject (how  New Zealand forced Canada to subsidize the N.Z. dairy industry)
3952
3953 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRezQK6z_6o
3954
3955 When you're talking about sectors of the economy that have extensive government intervention (such as dairy or, e.g., wine within France) you really need to look at government policy carefully, and you can't make simple inferences about "market logic".
3956
3957 Is N.Z. actually more efficient at producing milk than China?  No.
3958
3959 Can N.Z. or Australia produce milk more cheaply than China?  No chance whatsoever.
3960
3961 Look, over the years (and I do mean years) you'll gradually get familiar with this stuff: it's counter-intuitive, but you'll pick it up, piece by piece.
3962
3963 The good news is that the T.P.P. is apparently going to change the game… but nobody yet knows if that will really be for the better or worse (and, yes, I have a youtube video on THAT obscure topic as well). ;-)
3964
3965 But, yeah, tldr, it makes no sense whatsoever that Canada imports dairy from New Zealand (and not Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, etc., let alone China)… the trade agreement is 100% the result of corrupt inter-governmental arrangements…
3966
3967 …ultimately originating from legal blackmail, international agreements, etc., and the government's deep pockets for supporting the dairy industry. :-(
3968
3969 Heartborne, yeah, that's exactly what I said (I don't want to flood the IRC with links to my videos… but it's the one with TPP in the title).
3970
3971 O00000016a: we have no snow here at all (Vic, B.C.).
3972
3973 Yeah, but, conversely, I feel guilty for not going outside. :-/
3974
3975 hendrix: That is part of it… but the reality is even more confusing, because the effect of subsidies is (generally) to make milk more expensive for the consumer (but more profitable for the producer), so… http://www.americanboondoggle.com/american-boondoggle-fixing-the-2012-farm-bill/milking-consumers-and-taxpayers/
3976
3977 Yeah.
3978
3979 Hendrix: it's entirely possible that you're right. What you've just said is compatible with what I know / have-had-to-say.
3980
3981 Here, Hendrix, is a report trying to evaluate N.Z. production costs in context: http://www.ifcndairy.org/media/downloads/Press-release-IFCN-Dairy-Report-2013.pdf
3982
3983 You definitely get into a situation where countries are engaging in "competition" for who has the better system of subsidy. :-/
3984
3985 I complain about the same thing in my TPP video, Hendrix: not only our "left wing" party, but also our "Green" party wants to support dairy 110%, never enough subsidies, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS631Dq2JcQ
3986
3987 https://youtu.be/lDsW9CiF1QI?t=35s @vucket
3988
3989 You're telling me this IRC isn't NSFW?
3990
3991 Cool.  Thanks for taking the time to write in.
3992
3993 You'll never guess. ;-) https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
3994
3995 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2974439/Rare-white-elephant-symbol-royal-power-prosperity-discovered-roaming-wild-Burmese-jungle.html
3996
3997 "To the faithful, the existence of so many white elephants is a positive sign from above; others speculate it is a the product of rampant deforestation in the region…"
3998
3999 http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/07/01/why_burma_believes_in_white_elephants_the_real_ones.html
4000
4001 “The government is trying to promote itself,” the mystic says. “But the white elephants have had no effect on the country.”
4002
4003 ;-)
4004
4005 “governments have used them as portents of good things and they are regarded as signs of political legitimacy.” https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1314/1451427000_4741db3c26_b.jpg
4006
4007 I honestly didn't know there was a single Zoo in all of Laos. :-/
4008
4009 I've seen elephants in worse conditions (i.e., in China).
4010
4011 But, evidently, Laos is doomed if their last white elephant has died without a replacement. :-/
4012
4013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwFAJFjPncE
4014
4015 Man, I probably rode my bicycle past the entrance to that zoo (hwy 10, going north of Vientiane) and never noticed it, or disregarded it.
4016
4017 Europe is way ahead in the vegan yogurt race, BTW. http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2015/12/the-german-diet-vegan.html
4018
4019 The French brand Sojasun = top-tier: http://media.simplymarket.fr/PHOTO2/3273220/085370.jpg
4020
4021 O00000016a: yoso definitely does not exist here… YET.
4022
4023 ^ no.  Not yet.
4024
4025 bunniesandguac: Are they vegan? (The hosts of the pod)
4026
4027 What you're still on speaking terms with your mom?  I thought this was a VEGAN chat-room. :-|
4028
4029 I made a bet with a guy in Calif., and he agreed that if he lost the bet he'd be vegan for 30 days…
4030
4031 …but when he lost the bet, he didn't follow through. :-|
4032
4033 (I once again fail to use real emojis.)
4034
4035 His rationale was that, "I live in California, and, you know, people here are really INTO THEIR FOOD."
4036
4037 WTF.  I knew that guy from humanitarian work in Laos, etc. "Into your food", WTF kind of reason is that for anything?
4038
4039 And it's CALIFORNIA!  You have fruit and shit! In Canada we have ACTUAL Inuit/Eskimos!
4040
4041 It is way harder to be vegan in Saskatchewan than California! :-|
4042
4043 I have a cousin here in B.C. who would act the same way…
4044
4045 …as if bread, etc., were non-vegan.
4046
4047 She would also refer to me as "a picky eater"… as if she had any idea what it was like to scrape by (as all vegans have to do).
4048
4049 It's strange, though, I really don't expect anyone to RESPECT my diet… I just expect them to recognize that it is defined by what you DON'T eat, i.e., what you refuse to do (morally).
4050
4051 Like, the point isn't that I'm obsessed with Tofu (or even if I were, that's irrelevant).
4052
4053 Yeah, are you male or female, benyqpid?
4054
4055 I think that kind of face-off is very different for the (respective) genders.
4056
4057 So what happened next? benyqpid
4058
4059 I remember a Chinese-American woman asking me with real astonishment/disbelief, "But are you weak?" She was so clearly ignorant and sincere that it didn't make me angry.
4060
4061 But it is very different for males vs. females…
4062
4063 …implied issues of strength, etc., and implicit forms of intimidation.
4064
4065 .seen SnaquilleOatmeal
4066
4067 I have a frenemy trying to join this forum from a mobile phone, apparently running into technical difficulties.
4068
4069 @ GwenKatten, what I actually did was not far off of that: I flexed my muscle and remarked that I did 200 push-ups that day. (How many did you do?)
4070
4071 However, less than 100% of your problems in life can be solved by being a jerk.
4072
4073 Did jerk just choose the name jerk so that the keyword jerk would be highlighted whenever it comes up in conversation?
4074
4075 tgbtgb: No, then I wouldn't have any temptation to quit. Sets of 30, then reduced to sets of 20 once exhausted.
4076
4077 Weird: my frenemy still can't participate in the conversation from her phone.
4078
4079 She's another vegan youtuber, BTW: https://www.youtube.com/user/laurenmichelle102/videos
4080
4081 https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/FNDgLbgZSm28MEaosM1n
4082
4083 Dunno. See image.
4084
4085 ^ O00000016a
4086
4087 Yeah, but we aren't getting her messages, apparently.  I told her to check that the URL for the IRC was correct.
4088
4089 Finally!
4090
4091 Hi Lauren
4092
4093 Actually, the conversation was WAY BETTER 15 minutes ago when I invited you to join.
4094
4095 They were talking about what kind of vegan yogurt you can get in Canada… things you actually care about. ;-)
4096
4097 Yeah, so, for those who don't know, Lauren's channel is actually polite and helpful, etc., unlike mine (that consists entirely of vengeful rants about how the sky is falling, etc.). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoK-sf5kAgg
4098
4099 So, in short, Lauren and I "hate" each-other, because she's on the side of good, and I'm on the side of evil, etc. ;-)
4100
4101 At, Heartborne… you know me so well. :-)
4102
4103 Earlier today, we confirmed in this very forum that Israel is only 1.7% vegan
4104
4105 but 1.7% is a huge number
4106
4107 It's 1.7% nationally, but it'll be a much larger percentage in the cities, and when you're talking to young people, etc.
4108
4109 She's on a boat, too.
4110
4111 Boats are a part of life here in western Canada. :-/
4112
4113 O00000016a: not to be boring, but the only solid stats for Canada are for how many people are "meat avoiding", i.e., research for the food industry (by Kraft corp., etc.).
4114
4115 So, obv., "meat avoiding" does not mean vegan, etc.
4116
4117 but it indicates the size of the market for certain types of products.
4118
4119 I assume that whenever normal people take that boat, they're haunted by  memories of all the ex-boyfriends they took the voyage with, etc. :-/ Theveganbrunette
4120
4121 What is Erin Janus famous for?  No offense intended… but… she must be famous for some other reason… not just twitter, etc.?
4122
4123 O00000016a: the river Styx… a.k.a. the slow boat to Vancouver.
4124
4125 tgbtgb: the video I wanted to make today addresses this sort of situation (such as you just described)…
4126
4127 …I think people are weak on the concept of "doing the best you can".
4128
4129 Yes, e.g., children are starving in Africa…
4130
4131 …but being vegan is something you CAN do…
4132
4133 …whereas distributing sacks of rice in Africa is likely to be outside of your immediate grasp.
4134
4135 It's simple, but people seem to be trained by years of watching TV news to imagine themselves in the roles of government officials. :-/ And we're not. We really need to think about differences we can make, etc.
4136
4137 Re: "and yeah she told me "we can't be pure" and shit like that…" That's why I'm always telling people that I'm a despicable human being. :-/ Doing the best you can really is different from being pure.
4138
4139 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqy2qfLfBQ8 (12 seconds long, BTW)
4140
4141 .seen Theveganbrunette
4142
4143 Don't know if you're still here, Theveganbrunette, but I got fan-mail today from someone who I (apparently) convinced NOT to go to Thailand (i.e., with my youtube videos)
4144
4145 It was interesting: he told me about his former motivations and assumptions, etc.
4146
4147 and he said he really had to re-examine his motives after watching my videos,
4148
4149 and to reflect on his past experience of "idealizing" foreign countries, etc.
4150
4151 I think it was the more vague dream of joining the social class of Freelee-and-her-clones, Heartborne, perhaps not specifically the festival.
4152
4153 PURE EVIL. (0_0) (>_<) (0_0)
4154
4155 BTW, Theveganbrunette's theory checks out: apparently Erin Janus had a "hit" cover-version of Radiohead's "Creep" in 2011. :-/
4156
4157 Yeah, apparently, that's the origin of her fame: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JWcgSHJL4c
4158
4159 I don't see any sort of prolific music-recording/touring career following after that.
4160
4161 So, yeah, she is LARGELY famous for being famous (not hating/complaining, just observing).
4162
4163 Well, I guess it's too late to go back to the topic of attempting to convert your mom to veganism?
4164
4165 I thought it was a shame that Theveganbrunette missed that part of the conversation;
4166
4167 …you guys can guess, I rilly rilly don't play those games with my own family members… but a bunch of people here (or here 10 minutes ago) actually succeeded, it seemed.
4168
4169 I feel like I never heard the end of the anecdote from Magnanimity… ?
4170
4171 O00000016a: backyard chickens in Toronto, hm?
4172
4173 TBH, I always told myself that I'd make exceptions for medicine…
4174
4175 …but while I was in Germany, I went to the pharmacy to buy medicine…
4176
4177 …and I completely scoffed at / rejected the possibility of taking a medicine that had honey as a minor ingredient.
4178
4179 Like, 10 minutes later, I thought, "Hell… I'm actually losing touch here…"
4180
4181 But in the moment, it really seemed to me revolting / unacceptable to take medicine that contained honey.
4182
4183 (Even though, in principle, vegan rules gotta bend for medical necessity, etc. etc.)
4184
4185 At some point the principle of the thing
4186
4187 takes over. :-/
4188
4189 Shallow note, I hate Swayze's makeup in these videos (I think she improved her steez recently): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK_tZ7sTwrI
4190
4191 HexicDragon: most of the time, you can remove the gelatin "cap" and not eat it (depending on the format of the pill).
4192
4193 I think she was using some kind of lipliner (as an outline) to try to make her lips seem larger. But I know absolutely nothing about makeup (even relative to other heterosexual males). Theveganbrunette
4194
4195 The 3rd dimension is just a religious concept, O00000016a, you'll never convince me that it's real.
4196
4197 Swayze was ass-ignorant in that video, BTW (I'd never seen it before).
4198
4199 Oysters can perceive light, and have "motility" (the ability to move to avoid a predator), etc.
4200
4201 When the shadow of a bird passes overhead, the oyster snaps shut, etc.
4202
4203 And they know when to mate, etc.
4204
4205 Not really debatable that they're animals, etc.
4206
4207 Although I'm willing to admit that eating an oyster is less horrible than scooping the brains out of a cow's skull.
4208
4209 Hilariously, BTW, when Veg. Revolution read out the E.U. guidelines on vivisection,
4210
4211 it brought up the fact that various sea-slugs have been extensively proven to be sentient.
4212
4213 The lab-work on sea-slugs, etc., is cheaper than other animals, so it turns out that their intelligence has been studied extensively…
4214
4215 …same with octopuses / octopi.
4216
4217 Anyway, Magnanimity, what never heard the end of the anecdote, re: Erin Janus, etc.
4218
4219 We had a whole tangent on how Erin Janus became famous, etc., but you just sort of trailed off with the initial anecdote
4220
4221 Re: "still tried to convince me that sour cream wasn't dairy" A Chinese friend here was 100% sincere in trying to do the same thing. I asked her, "Why do you think it's white?" She had really, sincerely, never thought about it before.
4222
4223 Incidentally, O00000016a, I don't know if it is yet another inside joke for this group when people enter and declare their presence with "Wu God", but I posted this before, in response to one such declaration: https://youtu.be/lDsW9CiF1QI?t=36s
4224
4225 It's really a sad reminder of how much "lost potential" smoking weed entails.
4226
4227 All of the guys were really sharp then (1993)…
4228
4229 …and they have since, well, blunted their purpose somewhat.
4230
4231 Ghostface actually RECOVERED his ability when he quit smoking weed. (No lie.)
4232
4233 Deep cuts: he explains quitting weed in this interview somewhere (but it is way the hell more depressing than the link I posted before, from 1993): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ6Ha0p9ZUM
4234
4235 All weed causes brain-damage, m'man… and the M.R.I. proves it. :-/ http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/58138831334/brain-damage-caused-by-cannabis-adult-and-infant
4236
4237 …but, yes, I assume Wu Tang were pressing the upper limits of human tolerance. I think Ghost said he was pulling five joints per day before he quit.
4238
4239 Five of something.
4240
4241 But he probably goes on /r/cocaine to make himself feel abstemious by contrast. ;-)
4242
4243 arabchic: Yeah, I'm now "a sleep snob"… I wouldn't do anything that messes with my R.E.M. …I wouldn't eat chickpeas that mess up my sleep cycles. :-/
4244
4245 Oh, I'll get an Ins Deck track…
4246
4247 Ah, no, I misremembered…
4248
4249 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaXEGLRAWbQ
4250
4251 It's actually a Masta Killa track. :-/ Sue me.
4252
4253 I actually talked about this topic (weed = brain-damage) with Vegan Gains, before his channel became massively famous.
4254
4255 I pointed out to him that his professed love of peer-reviewed scientific facts…
4256
4257 …would tend to lead him to the conclusion that (yeah) weed  = brain-damage.
4258
4259 He wasn't very philosophical in his reply.
4260
4261 So, yeah, that boils down to making the conscious decision to inflict brain damage on oneself. :-/
4262
4263 Yeah, he smokes.
4264
4265 Oh, right, O00000016a, you could cross paths with the guy some time.
4266
4267 He smokes, he uses mushrooms, etc.
4268
4269 BTW, I assume you guys already know that Inspectah Deck is one half of "Czarface"… his strongest recording project in years (and/or of-all-time).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPRvdR1WrrU&index=2&list=PLSV7P5qr71octYxxFP8e5rtXoa46cZbZS
4270
4271 Czarface 2 was even better than the original.
4272
4273 Really a rare example of a Wu-member being reinvigorated by a collab.
4274
4275 Yeah, Rae has connections to both Toronto & Montreal.
4276
4277 "Ice Water Music", etc., although nothing much came of it.
4278
4279 Rae has the greatest stack of mixtapes of any (solo) member of Wu.
4280
4281 I count him as number 1 for that reason, although he was far from the most impressive member during the group's first decade.
4282
4283 https://youtu.be/KfUI6koLiAw?t=31s
4284
4285 Popa Wu was basically just a crazy old man whom they all knew as kids growing up, and they made a tribute album for him.
4286
4287 He describes himself as a priest or "community leader" for the 5% church.  That means jack shit (no offense).
4288
4289 Tomorrow, I'll get hate-mail for saying that on IRC, right? ;-)
4290
4291 http://www.wutang-corp.com/artists/wu-artist.php?id=62
4292
4293 We have TOO MUCH in common. I think I've heard all 37 hours of those interviews. :-/ Not a boast.
4294
4295 It's "Lord Jamar", tho. ;-)
4296
4297 It's important to face up to that, though (as with my own disillusionment with Buddhism, with academia, etc. etc.).
4298
4299 Low expectations do not render you immune to disappointment. :-/
4300
4301 It can always be worse.
4302
4303 Just ask "CandidMommy". (Cruel laughter.)  EVIL!
4304
4305 And I assume you now have a crush on her, hm O00000016a? It's really unnatural to watch someone (face-to-face) going through that kind of emotional disclosure, without building some kind of (emo) connection to them.
4306
4307 The only reason I ever saw her channel (CandidMommy) is that she had a single video with "vegan" in the title, and it showed up in a word-search (for something else) via google.
4308
4309 Yeah, she was vegan for 5 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBX1EP50SxI
4310
4311 Pfff.  Side-eye.
4312
4313 Pfff. Arms folded. Side-eye.
4314
4315 You should convert to Theravada Buddhism. That religion allows you to fuck everybody, because life is basically just meaningless suffering. But I guess if you lose your faith you've  got to go back to celibacy. :-/ It's a tightrope.
4316
4317 https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/600/1*rYRqt0pKsznJJNByeW7uIg.jpeg
4318
4319 Same as R.Z.A.: just watch a bunch of movies, and order a cheap costume on Amazon.
4320
4321 I had a different "cool" name in every country in Asia I lived in.
4322
4323 I'm currently 大影, the long shadow, in case you hadn't noticed.
4324
4325 https://youtu.be/MavHcZOOKzc?t=28s
4326
4327 At 5 minutes, his reflection that he had no other vision of history (aside from Greek Myths and Bible stories)… very real.
4328
4329 China and Japan become a sort of touchstone of cultural authenticity for a lot of westerners in this way… via movies, etc.
4330
4331 Magnanimity: yeah, I just made a video on that topic (questioning compassion) a few days ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0atXI8Po4dk
4332
4333 http://bostonreview.net/forum/paul-bloom-against-empathy
4334
4335 Bloom's argument here is, "
4336
4337 Being a good person is related to more distanced compassion, along with self-control, and a sense of justice."
4338
4339 Meh.
4340
4341 What he (Bloom) has to say about Buddhism is not worth reading.  And his argument seems to rely on self-serving distinctions, such as empathy vs. compassion, that have no function in the real world.
4342
4343 Still: not hating.
4344
4345 Here, long story short quotation:
4346
4347 This brings us to the targets of empathy. As I write this, an older relative of mine who has cancer is going back and forth to hospitals and rehabilitation centers. I’ve watched him interact with doctors and learned what he thinks of them. He values doctors who take the time to listen to him and develop an understanding of his situation; he benefit
4348
4349 s from this sort of cognitive empathy. But emotional empathy is more complicated.
4350
4351 He gets the most from doctors who don’t feel as he does, who are calm when he is anxious, confident when he is uncertain.
4352
4353 [End.]
4354
4355 Yeah, I don't think he's making a fuss for no reason.  I just say "meh".
4356
4357 Sad fact: doing the right thing works out great, especially when other people can recognize that you did the right thing for the right reasons.  In other circumstances, people use concepts like empathy to explain why they did the wrong thing (for the right reasons), etc. :-/
4358
4359 Inasmuch as empathy is an explanatory device, I just don't think there's so much to say about it.
4360
4361 But, yeah, meanwhile, there's a whole province of psychology devoted to people who (seemingly) lack empathy, etc.
4362
4363 So I confess, it's a valid area of research.
4364
4365 I'm not actually vegan.  I'm just doing this to promote my rap career.
4366
4367 Powsimian does… barely. :-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6mhVuelqo
4368
4369 That Steve-O track was pretty terrible. I realize he's making fun of himself… but it only helps to some small extent.
4370
4371 Meanwhile, in Fiji: https://youtu.be/l6AlOpAtKeE?t=15s
4372
4373 Who are you guys talking about (depressed, etc.).
4374
4375 ?
4376
4377 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUL7ca6UJgQ Blood-Wiper
4378
4379 M.R.E. = "Meal, Ready to Eat". A term we all must learn. Soon or late.
4380
4381 I got "fan mail" at my old vegan blog from a guy in Afghanistan, insisting that it was possible to stay vegan while deployed, subsisting on MREs, etc.
4382
4383 However, none of them are made for vegans: only vegetarian.
4384
4385 So you've got to trade off anything with cheese in it, etc.
4386
4387 Yeah, genetik, I'd guess they didn't appreciate the difference.
4388
4389 Canadian M.R.E.s are pretty heavy on egg & dairy, as you'd expect.
4390
4391 As are the cafeterias on army bases, in my EXTREMELY limited experience.
4392
4393 We have a base here that looks like a palace (really… they have extensive gardens, with peacocks wandering in them, etc.), but the food is still like a terrible diner from the 1930s.
4394
4395 Re: "about how much do MRE packs cost?"  They come free with devoting your life to military service.
4396
4397 Sounds like you're more interested in "Soylent 2.0" (google it), if you want a meal-replacement.
4398
4399 Not yet. ( O00000016a ) http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/No-Nostalgia-for-Laos.html
4400
4401 Genetik, the military of Taiwan may have vegan M.R.E.s; the military of Israel just started developing vegan options in 2015, as I recall. None of the western armies will have them, YET.
4402
4403 I talked to a special-forces guy in Taiwan (retired)… he insisted you could be vegan while wearing camo paint there, etc.
4404
4405 Man, you don't know the half.
4406
4407 I'm writing an essay about the politics of Fiji, RIGHT NOW. :-/
4408
4409 As long as I'm fighting against Freelee and Durian Rider, I'll know I'm on the right side.
4410
4411 It's a bad sign that I laugh at my own jokes.
4412
4413 ^ Weight-loss books.
4414
4415 Cool to meet someone who has actually tried Soylent, genetik.
4416
4417 I think my near-zero exercise lifestyle, currently, wouldn't work with it.
4418
4419 I assume the cost-benefit ratio is worse if you're getting it shipped to Canada. Sorry, a boring but honest thought.
4420
4421 Man, you have made a science of consistently false spelling, Blood-Wiper. I'm now wondering if you spell everything correctly, and have a bot reshuffle the letters for you every time. (O-O)
4422
4423 If your family name is Robertson, why would you name your son Robert?  "Robert Robertson".  Seriously.
4424
4425 Did she keep your name when you got divorce? O00000016a
4426
4427 Damn. Leonardo da Vinci isn't holding back on account of anyone's feelings. (0_0)
4428
4429 I hate the vanity of it all (seeing meat presented at Whole Foods, etc.).
4430
4431 In the absence of such vanity, meat-eating is still barbaric, but it has the redeeming quality of being MERELY barbaric.
4432
4433 The metric system was established by the French Revolution; inexplicably, the U.S. does not want to recognize the legitimacy of the French Revolution.
4434
4435 emily haines = pure natural high.
4436
4437 I know you guys will be shocked to hear this: but Fiji has complex social and political problems. Unlike everywhere else on earth that has a bottled water product named after it (Evian is paradise, I'm pretty sure).
4438
4439 Re: France, I know: it doesn't make sense.  That's why I used the word "inexplicably".
4440
4441 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bZUz5cvmQs&list=PL912FB0B574376B87
4442
4443 Meh… once you get used to listening to rap music all the time, you can never really go back.  But Metric still have a sort of place-in-my-heart, due to that one anti-war song they put out (at just the right time).
4444
4445 Cheetah came by today?
4446
4447 He only uses the net at a public library, currently.  So that makes sense (that he'd just take a look, then leave).
4448
4449 Semi.
4450
4451 I don't think rehab is 100% accurate, but he's in a half-way house of some kind.
4452
4453 and my #1 fan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV31JcOIeew
4454
4455 Cool.
4456
4457 I assume it is now late enough that people are writing in from Australia?  What time-zone is iq_32 on?
4458
4459 I just wrapped up my "masterpiece" on the politics of Fiji, and won't last much longer.  I'm on the west coast, too, BTW.
4460
4461 And on that note… good night, gentlemen.
4462
4463 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q5oEyUuNIw
4464
4465 I am vegan, but I'm also a snob.  VegAnn's jewelry is tacky as hell. https://youtu.be/kMW88XonJaw?t=5m35s
4466
4467 http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=tacky
4468
4469 Man, if you lack the motivation to get out of bed, how can you possibly have the motivation to dump these endless complaints on I.R.C.? No offense. But offensive.
4470
4471 Man, you should be like Freelee, and eat 15,000 calories of dates, then jump up and down in a state of frenetic insulin shock for the first two hours of the day. It's, like, totally normal. Duh.
4472
4473 ^ Somebody else broke into my apartment, took the keyboard away from me, and typed that snarky comment.
4474
4475 Yeah, but then I googled the meaning of "insulin shock". Learn something new every day. :-/
4476
4477 Ah, sadly, we don't have MLK day in Canada.
4478
4479 How old are you, Blood-Wiper?
4480
4481 I was assuming ca. 35.
4482
4483 Worst trolling ever award goes to...
4484
4485 Other languages (many, many other languages) have non-arbitrary (non-meaningless) alphabetical orders.  English is not one of them.
4486
4487 http://pali.pratyeka.org/PaliRosettaStone.pdf
4488
4489 Check out chapter 1 (e.g. the table on page 6) of this book. https://books.google.ca/books?id=6TfyBQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=duroiselle&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=duroiselle&f=false
4490
4491 Yeah, alphabetical order CAN be meaningful.
4492
4493 However, the most popular writing systems in the world right now are non-meaningful in this respect: Chinese is BEYOND meaningless (trying to use stroke-count and stroke-order to establish a numerical system, etc.).
4494
4495 In the past, the Japanese used a poem (on Buddhist philosophical themes) to create a non-meaningless alphabetical order, but it is no longer used (i.e., it is defunct). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroha
4496
4497 Now, the  Japanese use an imitation of the Indian sequence, although nobody in Japan knows that this system comes from ancient India. :-/
4498
4499 You'll be disappointed. ;-) It's not THAT interesting.
4500
4501 See? Non-meaningless.
4502
4503 .seen a-bas-le-ciel
4504
4505 .seen PonderingPeasant
4506
4507 For your amusement, Vegan Revolution sent me this link (presumably because they say something hilarious at some point), but it has been astoundingly boring so far: http://veganwarriorprincessesattack.com/052-hey-white-vegans-stop-it/
4508
4509 I'm at 23 minutes now, if any of you want to listen along with me.
4510
4511 I'll try to stick with it.  I don't know if they're going to "lay into" Vegan Revolution himself at some point (or if he just sent it to me because he thinks it's absurd).
4512
4513 No, I'd assume the opposite: aggressive aggressiveness.
4514
4515 O00000016a: how is it possible for you to be "here" at all times, if you're working as a bike-courier?
4516
4517 I mean… I've just got to read a stack of books about Fiji and Samoa, etc., so my presence is less surprising.
4518
4519 Ah.  Thus your profound  connection to CandidMommy.
4520
4521 It's not too late for her, you know: you could be the one who turns her (back) to veganism. ;-)
4522
4523 (Sorry: unintentionally cruel.)
4524
4525 Hi nika.
4526
4527 We were just starting a letter-writing campaign to get CandidMommy to go (back to being) vegan.
4528
4529 Bah!  Nika again disappears.  I've seen that name before, and wondered if it indicated a real person.
4530
4531 http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/63071354331/vegan-mind-tricks-the-hierarchy-of-vegans-if
4532
4533 Does ex-vegan count as "level 0", better or worse, in your opinion?
4534
4535 So that includes CandidMommy, hm? (She's ex-vegan… even if you've lost all sense of objectivity in her case.)
4536
4537 I'm actually doing it, BTW. I'm drafting a letter to CandidMommy. Can I post it here (as "wall of text") when I'm done?
4538
4539 Yeah… but I'm not sure where on the net I can post it (to my blog? not really).
4540
4541 Ah, why thank you, oddly-shaped dragon.
4542
4543 Here you go: an open letter to "CandidMommy": http://pastebin.com/4m47E21W
4544
4545 I already sent it to her (directly) as an e-mail.
4546
4547 Man, I take my eyes off this IRC for 5 seconds, and you guys are talking about joining the Air Force. (again)
4548
4549 Anyway, O00000016a, my letter to Candid is linked to up above, in case you missed it.
4550
4551 @ morchella … you're talking about Chinese "Bao Zi"?
4552
4553 It's a mainstream thing in Taiwan, and "The Sinosphere"/
4554
4555 Maybe you're talking about Mian Bao?  That's a broader category.
4556
4557 The island of Taiwan has the world's most organized and powerful vegan minority.
4558
4559 NOT joking.
4560
4561 You can get vegan steez at 7-11 there…
4562
4563 …and it is backed up by government regulations that guarantee it isn't even on the same conveyor belt as any meat or dairy.
4564
4565 (O-O)
4566
4567 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baozi
4568
4569 Vegan Bao-zi is a mainstream thing.
4570
4571 Taiwan = vegan food so good, it ALMOST justifies death by lung-cancer due to air pollution, BUT NOT QUITE.  http://aqicn.org/map/taiwan/
4572
4573 The higher art-form is really (vegan) 餃子 / 餃子.
4574
4575 Here, feel the burn: https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1142&bih=978&q=%E7%B4%A0%E9%A3%9F%E9%A4%83%E5%AD%90&oq=%E7%B4%A0%E9%A3%9F%E9%A4%83%E5%AD%90&gs_l=img.1.0.0i24l2.664.664.0.1443.1.1.0.0.0.0.51.51.1.1.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.1.51.S6oDIcgjgyk#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=%E7%B4%A0%E9%A3%9F+%E9%A4%83%E5%AD%90
4576
4577 Yeah, 餃子 = Jaio-zi in Chinese, but Gyouzi in Japanese.  Same concept.
4578
4579 I don't know where you guys are living, but this stuff is attainable in the western world. (O_o)
4580
4581 These are not delicacies in the Sinosphere: they're every-day foods, comparable to bagels (not comparable to caviar).
4582
4583 Even in Montana.
4584
4585 I could buy sacks of frozen Jiao-zi in Saskatchewan…
4586
4587 …imported from Taiwan, etc.
4588
4589 And, TRUST ME, Saskatchewan is more bleak than Montana.
4590
4591 There are homesick Chinese people in Montana who are importing all of that stuff.
4592
4593 Obviously, if you mail-order, the sky's the limit, etc., but I never did that (until very recently, I'd never owned a credit card).
4594
4595 .mm saskatchewan .pp ODB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70jKrouSxGk
4596
4597 O00000016a:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70jKrouSxGk
4598
4599 You'll dig it.  Echoes of ODB.
4600
4601 . topten
4602
4603 .topten
4604
4605 Sea vegetables don't rank.
4606
4607 Just got some really interesting fan-mail from an employee at a U.N. agency (in response to my recent video).
4608
4609 I get some quality fan-mail.
4610
4611 Yeah, he evidently wants me to make a follow-up video with more facts…
4612
4613 …and he provided me with more facts…
4614
4615 …but, like, I reach an audience of only 200 people. :-/
4616
4617 His heart is completely in the right place, but geez.
4618
4619 I reach a tiny audience of people who already agree with me (plus Durianrider).
4620
4621 Yeah, but I think that's how you identify my regular viewers: the 200 who watched the video on Cocaine & the Philosophy of Science = my regulars.
4622
4623 I'm not aiming for a large audience, Blood: I'm aware that a very small number of people will find this stuff interesting.
4624
4625 The forums of "The Kind Life" website are full of vegan housewives married to meat-eating men… complaining about their daily routine of cooking meat for others (while refusing to eat it themselves), etc.
4626
4627 Really a creepy and depressing demographic (within veganism) you don't otherwise see/hear much of.
4628
4629 @ grisher, yeah, sure, but I'm a despicable human being: refusing things comes easily to me.
4630
4631 @ grisher, some people are actually loving/caring/nurturing types, who wouldn't want to "let somebody down", etc.  You have to meet them to know what I'm talking about.,
4632
4633 * Seal tries to guess the syntax for giving Zork-esque descriptive commands.
4634
4635 Nope.
4636
4637 That wasn't it.
4638
4639 How do you guys get the green-text in italics?
4640
4641 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azgZBEHxcHQ
4642
4643 @ grisher, Let's pen a script, shall we? "I didn't marry you to eat Tofu every night".  "You've changed". "I don't know who you are anymore". etc. Yeah, sure: you marry someone, and they expect you to cook bacon-and-eggs "forever and ever" (until death do us part)… and then you disappoint them by deciding the most basic assumptions they have about 
4644
4645 their daily life are evil. #teamevil
4646
4647 Sam, we've already had to stop using the word jerk, for similar reasons (note highlighting of "jerk").
4648
4649 .seen jerk
4650
4651 Ah, so we can use the word jerk again, safely, without summoning your presence?
4652
4653 Nope. It's still highlighted.
4654
4655 "Hoist with your own petard". = First and last time I use that phrase in 2016.
4656
4657 .urban vegan
4658
4659 PWNED.
4660
4661 Tetsuo29, are you Japanese? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTPp0zj9qgU
4662
4663 Re: "Hard for me to learn a language that I have no incentive to know".  Tell me about it. :-( This is my situation in life exactly, hexicdragon
4664
4665 .urban bw
4666
4667 .urban japan
4668
4669 This conversation is getting TOO educational.  And I'm only talking to Urban Dictionary.
4670
4671 .urban fyu
4672
4673 And yet you are not so lazy that you would omit to describe this complex arrangement to an IRC, hexicdragon
4674
4675 .urban slc
4676
4677 Salt Lake City, tetsuo29 ?
4678
4679 @ tetsuo29, I think we all think about that ("vegan separatism") to some extent… but in practice, it would be problematic… and entails various risks, questions of leadership & hierarchy, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qibyKm7Y9c
4680
4681 I'm really happy for you --genuinely-- if you know 6 vegans who don't hate each-other…
4682
4683 but vegans are so diverse, and internally-divided…
4684
4685 …that it's rare to even hit a total of 6.
4686
4687 "In 2013, veganism isn’t merely diverse, it’s internally fractious and fragmentary.  If you get 100 vegans together in a room, they have less in common than (e.g.) a conference of 100 linguists"…  http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/63569907783/veganism-fractious-and-fragmentary
4688
4689 Tolerance is an under-rated virtue.  Learning from the experience of others is an under-rated virtue. Learning from the MISTAKES of others is an under-rated virtue.
4690
4691 :-/
4692
4693 Not wanting to break the flow of the conversation, tetsuo29, but I've posted a lot of thoughts about DxE, and you might want to take a glance later: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=DxE
4694
4695 DxE has some cult-like tendencies. :-/
4696
4697 BTW, gaiz: http://www.chompingclimatechange.org/
4698
4699 Apparently it's a major, famous, well-funded, pro-vegan agency… and I've never heard of it before O00000016a
4700
4701 So WHAT IS "vucket"?
4702
4703 .urban fucket
4704
4705 Always educational.  Rarely unexpected or surprising.
4706
4707 If we switched the topic to vegan podcasts/stuff that you HATE, we'd all have way more to say. ;-)
4708
4709 I normally never post images of food, but HOLY SHIT: "
4710
4711 Vegan White Pizza with Grilled Squash and Roasted Potatoes from Vegans Café and Restaurant (100% vegan restaurant and grocery store) in Kyoto, Japan. I don't know why we have chopsticks and spoons in this pic...we ate this pizza with our hands as pizza should be eaten!
4712
4713 "
4714
4715 http://static1.squarespace.com/static/525f0d13e4b09f9731f530a2/t/53d2dcd4e4b02158d29b2d45/1406328047930/?format=1000w
4716
4717 That food-photo was from Kyoto, Japan.  Sorry to derail the conversation. You know how it is with rails.
4718
4719 My taste in Youtube channels isn't (probably) what you guys are expecting it to be…
4720
4721 I like this kind of really honest, unpretentious stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjU2ENxl_Rs
4722
4723 Honest + speaking from real-world experience, etc.
4724
4725 Knowing what you're talking about helps, too, but… honesty is the fundamental virtue of youtube.
4726
4727 .time chiang mai
4728
4729 Hi Wen
4730
4731 It's 7:00 AM here.  Just turned on my computer. ;-)
4732
4733 Even Canadians (apparently) can't pronounce a-bas-le-ciel: https://youtu.be/HN5235ieGiI
4734
4735 Sorry, the link should have been to 32 seconds: https://youtu.be/HN5235ieGiI?t=32s
4736
4737 .b12 b612
4738
4739 .fite garybot
4740
4741 Is there a .vegan command?
4742
4743 Apparently not yet.
4744
4745 .fite public indifference
4746
4747 There you go!  You can use "fite" with abstract concepts.
4748
4749 Starting your day with e-mail to your lawyer and chocolate soymilk. It is what it is, man.
4750
4751 Sure.  Could be non-vegan soymilk. http://www.thaimartaustralia.com.au/img/p/15-367-thickbox.jpg
4752
4753 They used to have a solid glass bottle (recyclable)… don't know if they still do. It's a Thai brand made of soymilk + powdered cow-milk (for extra fat!). Revolting. But it was, back in the day, the most widely-available soymilk there.
4754
4755 Barabarism. 野蛮.
4756
4757 .seen spacebicycle
4758
4759 .seen spacehammock
4760
4761 Sup.
4762
4763 Nah, vegans peaked in 2015.  They're old and out of style now.
4764
4765 Like, remember when "Iron Man" was an obscure cultural reference, so Ghostface named his album after it, etc.  Veganism will soon go back to that level of obscurity: being "cool" because nobody knows what you're talking about. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Ironman.jpg
4766
4767 Today, nobody would name their album "Iron Man", because that would be mainstream, and therefore lame.
4768
4769 .facts
4770
4771 ^  That is totally going to happen. Matter of time.
4772
4773 Lil B will finally become vegan, only after it's old and lame, and no longer trendy. Face it: anything Al Gore has done is old and lame and not trendy.
4774
4775 Quitting smoking used to be cool.  Used to be that 40% of stand-up comedy was about quitting smoking (pre-1995?). At some point, it just becomes lame, and nobody wants to talk about it any more. Like Transformers, Batman, and everything else.
4776
4777 I sort of wonder if the Veganosphere will get taken over by religious fundamentalists of various kinds.  They've got more staying-power than "we" do (no idea who "we" is, TBH).
4778
4779 Yeah, well, if you're attacked by a bear on your own property in Canada, you're legally allowed to kill and eat it, etc. In fact, in most provinces, they want you to dispose of the corpse yourself (to save the government money), etc. :-/
4780
4781 In France, they have these anti-smoking laws that exist IN THEORY, but the world would collapse if they were enforced.
4782
4783 You're not allowed to smoke in a train-station… EVERY TRAIN STATION has people huddled over cigarettes, even during a five minute stop (bc people can't smoke on the train), etc.
4784
4785 Yeah, but Ching Hai is "small potatoes" compared to mainstream Hinduism, mainstream Buddhism, etc.
4786
4787 The Daoists would be vegan if they could give up eating eggs. One of them could have a fucking revelation that eggs are disgusting, and take over the game. I mean… Freelee just can't offer the sort of funeral services, daycare, hospitals and retirement homes that an organized religion can… although, admittedly, Freelee will save your soul.
4788
4789 * ["Soul" in this context means, "Crop Tee Midriff".]
4790
4791 (0_0) (>_<) (o_0) https://www.youtube.com/user/SupremeMasterTV/search?query=breatharianism
4792
4793 Yeah, I just don't expect much action out of the Jains, TBH. They don't seem to have the incentive to promulgate their tradition internationally.
4794
4795 Really, it's amazing how far the Ching Hai group has taken it, given where they started from, etc.
4796
4797 Shows what lazy assholes "we" secular vegans are, TBH.
4798
4799 Yep. I hear that.
4800
4801 I guess I have no choice but to start my own "new religious movement" in Japan. :-/ Build one of those 200 m tall monuments by the side of the road, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL_Kyodan
4802
4803 You can laugh, but, hey, vegans ain't built a tower to compete (yet)… https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Torre_da_Paz.jpg
4804
4805 Word of the day is: kyou-dan 教団
4806
4807 You've heard of this stuff, Heartborne? Are you just astoundingly cosmopolitan, or do you have some research-interest in the field?
4808
4809 パーフェクト リバティー教団 Pāfekuto Ribatī Kyōdan
4810
4811 Heartborne: what's your background, in terms of Asian languages / religions / Asia-in-general?
4812
4813 (I assume you already know my story.) http://www.pali.pratyeka.org/Map2004to2009.jpg
4814
4815 My former background is in Theravada Buddhism (Pali, etc.); there are various videos about it on my channel. Obviously, I know "the rest" of Asian Buddhism (and Asian religion) to some extent, branching out from that basis.
4816
4817 Japan is unusually prolific in the production of "new religions"… none of them vegan (yet), so far as I know.
4818
4819 https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=Buddhism
4820
4821 (This IRC doesn't seem to actually require a password to use a reserved name… ?)
4822
4823 Yeah, Kiwi.
4824
4825 So-called "interpenetration" ("dependent origination", etc.) is a bit of a laughable misinterpretation of a mistranslation (in the history of Buddhism). Heartborne http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2011/01/27/unpopular-facts-about-one-of-buddhist-philosophys-most-popular-doctrines/
4826
4827 The next step is to buy the collectible action-figures, DoctorEbil
4828
4829 O00000016a: I think you're being optimistic about the nick/password system.  Here's the message I received:
4830
4831 This nickname is registered and protected.  If it is your 
4832
4833 nick, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password.  Otherwise, 
4834
4835 please choose a different nick.
4836
4837 .seen fr00tcrunch
4838
4839 .seen zhaey
4840
4841 .fite DoctorEbil
4842
4843 .fite public indifference
4844
4845 So you're saying "someone with more foresight" is available "to replace humanity"? Please. Either DoctorEbil is 13 years old, or he's indulging in thinking like a 13 year old for the sake of entertainment.
4846
4847 Yeah, exactly, (1) what is "the other way", and (2) what is "someone with more foresight" taking over supposed to be?
4848
4849 Re:  "Mostly eating cooked meat." Pfff.   This is where I check out. Trolling or not, this does not seem to me like a credible/honest participant in the conversation.
4850
4851 Quote, "…it´s better to let it all fall apart so that there is room for someone with more foresight to replace humanity." = http://jmason.org/slack/S-or-D.gif
4852
4853 ^ Yeah, I should keep a copy of that image on my desktop for emergencies.
4854
4855 Dude, if DoctorEbil wants to know, the world's most thorough (and patient) refutation of the pseudo-scientific claims behind high-meat diets has been presented here, by "Plant Positive" (all with copious, well-explained links to scientific sources, etc.). https://www.youtube.com/user/PrimitiveNutrition/videos
4856
4857 However, again, this seems like trolling to me: DoctorEbil watches Cowspiracy, and his conclusion is, "Maybe eating meat will be better anyway, because it will result in the mass-extinction of humanity, and then racoons or cockroaches can take over". Yeahrite.
4858
4859 So how old are you, DoctorEbil.  Again, my guess here is that your real age is inversely related to your level of boredom: if you're 25, you're extremely bored, and acting like a 13 year old.  If you're actually 13… okay, fine, I admit, coming to this IRC is a more productive use of your time than playing Bonk the Caveman.
4860
4861 More intellectual substance than DoctorEbil = https://youtu.be/Z24EQIXl3Mo?t=1m18s
4862
4863 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frz_Q69UBCc1
4864
4865 Link ^ = Cowspiracy, a Vegan Perspective (for DoctorEbil).  Normally garybot gives a summary for the link.
4866
4867 .fite garbybot
4868
4869 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf05bueTYmo
4870
4871 http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=7389&catId=1
4872
4873 Cool.  That's reassuring.
4874
4875 Heartborne: hard to know what will happen next.  The effect will be only "passive", i.e., in setting a precedent for lawsuits…
4876
4877 …you would need an active law or program to make anything happen.
4878
4879 In Canada, the provinces have all the power (to make pragmatic changes in your daily life, such as creating a new bus-route, etc.), although people presume the Federal government does.
4880
4881 Man, so much time wasted with paperwork/bureaucracy. :-/
4882
4883 It is also interesting to note, e.g., that veganism's status as a creed could exclude it in some contexts, in the same way that religions would be excluded (e.g. excluded from interference with a political party, etc.). :-/ Interesting to think about, in any case. Could be interesting in divorce-court, etc. etc. Heartborne
4884
4885 I suppose, also, that if veganism is legally defined as a creed, then we would be guilty of prejudice (against other creeds) in excluding non-vegans in some contexts, etc. Heartborne
4886
4887 I would be completely comfortable with the registration of a vegan religion, in Canada, but then the majority of vegans would not be members of this (legal) religion (it's their choice to join the particular org. or not). The declared creed status would seem to include us all in one pseudo-religion that we never chose to join; so, again, the implic
4888
4889 ations are interesting.
4890
4891 Yeah, exactly, Heartborne
4892
4893 I had to deal with hospitals during my daughter's birth… horrendous.
4894
4895 DickFields: it's alluded to in this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvnSIOmIiJ4
4896
4897 …but my struggles were in a hospital _in France_ …probably not applicable to your situation (I don't know where you are at, geographically).
4898
4899 This is not to say that my experience with medical professionals in Canada was _good_ (by contrast); but France was really horrendous.
4900
4901 I actually have the delusion that Portuguese culture is relatively positive; grew up around some European Portuguese in downtown Toronto.
4902
4903 France… the authoritarian attitudes are part of the problem.
4904
4905 DickFields: choosing WHERE your son/daughter is born is itself a big deal, with legal implications, etc. I looked at a huge range of options before settling on France.
4906
4907 If my daughter had been born in the U.S.A., she'd be an American citizen, as you know, etc.
4908
4909 "Birth-tourism" is a big deal in the 21st century.
4910
4911 Obviously, Mexico and Canada would both be very easy for you, etc., but the whole world is an option (Thailand, etc. etc.).
4912
4913 U.S. cost of medical care is so high that you generally save money going anywhere else.
4914
4915 Hey, with only 12% unemployment… what could go wrong? ;-) http://www.tradingeconomics.com/portugal/unemployment-rate
4916
4917 It's amazing that Portugal didn't descend into outright revolution in the last few years, TBH.
4918
4919 In Taiwan, radicals take over the parliament over a minor trade dispute, and if unemployment is above 4%.  This proves, once again, that the Taiwanese imitation of European parliamentary democracy is superior to the real thing.
4920
4921 What I am actually listening to right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DinTKHIRIbo
4922
4923 The only reason why Portugal is discussed "here" (where I'm at) is that they now sell citizenship to anyone in China with enough money to buy it (basically, enough money to buy an apartment in Portugal).
4924
4925 I don't think the 2015 elections were mentioned here even once: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_legislative_election,_2015
4926
4927 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8I1uLk1GcM
4928
4929 Look, if I had the money to burn, I'd consider it myself ("Golden Visas", etc.).
4930
4931 Portuguese would be a relatively easy language to learn, etc.
4932
4933 And I could join the ranks of the self-pitying intelligentsia.
4934
4935 But, admittedly, I don't dig the Catholic thing.
4936
4937 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26636829
4938
4939 "It gives foreign investors who spend 500,000 euros on a property here the right to live in Portugal."
4940
4941 Don't know if it requires 500,000 up front, or 500,000 backed by a mortgage/banking-arrangement.  Either way, an attainable goal, if you really want it.
4942
4943 But, of course, just 50,000 would go a long way in Asia… practically ANYWHERE in Asia… compared to Portugal.  Start a new life in Myanmar, etc.
4944
4945 Man, you don't know the half, Blood-Wiper
4946
4947 You should read: http://www.themontrealreview.com/2009/Last-of-the-White-Elephants.php
4948
4949 Re: "white colonizer living in luxury while indigenous population lives in squalid poverty" … and you say this as if it isn't already an accurate description of my situation here in Canada. :-/ (I'm a former student of indigenous languages here, BTW.)
4950
4951 Yes, Cree especially. Watch my youtube channel.  It's a kick.
4952
4953 My blog is more depressing, TBH. ;-0
4954
4955 i. Investment in real estate with a minimum investment of €500,000 or
4956
4957 ii. A cash deposit or Financial Investment through bonds or stocks with a minimum value of €1,000,000 or
4958
4959 iii. Through the creation of a new company with at least 10 employment positions based in Portugal.
4960
4961 The above was about Portugal, not Cree.
4962
4963 THIS is about Cree: http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/on-learning-cree-and-not-learning-cree.html
4964
4965 "Creek" is a different language.
4966
4967 Heartborne: incidentally, those are either-or requirements.  You can EITHER provide for x employees, OR pay the half million, etc.
4968
4969 You realize that Portugal will not be attracting China's wistful intellecutals.  There are REAL intellectuals in China, and all kinds of wonderful people. But they won't be the people taking advantage of this program.
4970
4971 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l4kHbeRrFs
4972
4973 O00000016a: https://youtu.be/b6R1Tx8NOx4?t=14s
4974
4975 .mm metroid
4976
4977 lol
4978
4979 Quote: "With Mother Brain destroyed by this beam, which was amazingly satisfying with each head-whipping blast, the whole planet is set to blow and Samus has a very short time to escape. It's a mad rush to her ship, with the planet exploding around her."
4980
4981 "Once off the planet, it explodes, then the game ranks players, and depending on how well you did, you'd see a slightly different ending, with the best rating showing Samus in a bathing suit." Close quote.
4982
4983 tetsuo29 these are some of the issues that I discuss in my critique of DxE (the first one, as I recall). Indeed, the asymmetry (in comparing the U.S. Civil war to veganism) is striking… and DxE misrepresents their case by pretending the two examples have more in common than they do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YAomSw09E
4984
4985 DoctorEbil = most self-disciplined anti-vegan troll ever.  However, talking to him is still a waste of time relative to, say, playing Bonk's adventure. The latter can actually teach you something about life.
4986
4987 Anyway, tetsuo29, part of the problem is precisely the misrepresentation of the abolition movement AS IF the civil war itself didn't happen… as if it were comparable to holding a placard in front of a fur-farm (etc.).
4988
4989 Ppl allude to Gary Yourofsky's experience, but they tend to omit the fact that at the end of that experience (and after serving a stint in jail, etc.) his conclusion was that all forms of activism are a waste of time relative to public education, i.e., that public education is the prime/only mode of activism.
4990
4991 bostonsonoma: How did I miss the discussion of Maoism?
4992
4993 * (Secretly suspects that he missed nothing at all.)
4994
4995 Magnanimity: sadly, yeah, eating meat is pretty much "the meaning of life" for a lot of people (as balefully shallow as that may sound). And, yeah, justifications for meat-agriculture follows not far behind. Judaism/Chr./Isl. all get tied up in knots over the same thing: all three religions were based on animal-sacrifice rituals, sharing meat with 
4996
4997 "god" (and the priestly caste),etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korban
4998
4999 Magnanimity: no, I'm sorry to tell you, that's 100% bullshit. No offense. Well… uh… offense with no malice, I guess.
5000
5001 .mm sakars https://youtu.be/wNFUQcebgOo?t=44s
5002
5003 Well… he's not famous for his (anti-free-will) philosophy.
5004
5005 WHY WOULD YOU UPDATE AN IRC EVERY TIME YOU TAKE A NAP??!?!?!?
5006
5007 (not yet)
5008
5009 .fite vucket
5010
5011 vegan_eggbeaters: clearly a Catfish.
5012
5013 vucket, detect Catfish.
5014
5015 .catfish
5016
5017 vucket, do my homework for me.
5018
5019 Real talk from vucket there. :-/
5020
5021 Henh?
5022
5023 ##vegan
5024
5025 Great.  So now I can sit in a "serious" room and be entirely alone. ;-)
5026
5027 Can I ask you, seriously, what is the point of even being in an IRC if you aren't going to message continuously while you're in the shower?
5028
5029 ^ vegan_eggbeaters
5030
5031 Vucket, your opinion?
5032
5033 See?
5034
5035 You say that as if it means vucket would somehow be biased in the matter.
5036
5037 Vucket, can you have opinions?
5038
5039 I, also, do not know if I can have opinions. Real recognize real.*
5040
5041 * [This is the closest to a non-ironic use of the phrase as I'm ever going to come.]
5042
5043 .b12 vucket
5044
5045 There you are, vucket!  I missed you while I was in the sauna.
5046
5047 vucket, O00000016a quotes
5048
5049 Ye gods, that was a disturbing and off-color contribution to the conversation, vucket.
5050
5051 O00000016a: I hate to ask, but was that before or after you decided to quit drugs?
5052
5053 No, it isn't that I hate to ask, it's that I suspect I'll hate the answer.
5054
5055 Vucket, censor me!
5056
5057 Bah! Good help is so hard to find.
5058
5059 Middle age in coming, O00000016a. It's coming to get you. Next, you'll quit video-games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2y3yFSJXIc
5060
5061 And you know why!
5062
5063 Tell him, Vucket!
5064
5065 Exactly!
5066
5067 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAo-OF1_bfM
5068
5069 Are they… random?  ARE THEY?
5070
5071 I believe the last time I tasted alcohol was when a good-looking young Chinese woman climbed onto my lap, put one arm around my neck, and while smiling at me, and staring me directly in the eyes, forced  a bottle of beer into my mouth.
5072
5073 I could remember what beer tasted like, so I was partly astonished at how low the alcohol content was:
5074
5075 The Chinese (at that particular locale) were drinking nearly-alcohol-free-beer.
5076
5077 Later, there was a newspaper headline / scandal:
5078
5079 A local company had been "stealing" beer-bottles from prestigious brands, filling them with "fake beer", and selling them to nightclubs in that area.
5080
5081 China: one of the few countries where "fake beer" could possibly exist.  They have "fake eggs", too, etc.
5082
5083 The answer is pretty scary / surreal.
5084
5085 Say hello to WenGobou, Vucket.
5086
5087 Vucket, where are your manners?
5088
5089 WenGobou: are you thinking of the new video from VegBrunette?
5090
5091 https://youtu.be/HN5235ieGiI?t=32s
5092
5093 Anyway, WenGobou, if you know of other examples of people struggling to pronounce my name, let me know: I could use clips in an intro (as I did in the first 3seconds of the "Cocaine" video). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w14YA2vyHMc
5094
5095 WenGobou: yeah, I was just explaining to O00000016a that he next, inevitably, will have to quit playing video games.
5096
5097 Hey! It's the most hated vegan of all time ever! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQqegFEf99I
5098
5099 DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO HIS CHANNEL. Look at it, laugh at it, learn from his mistakes… but don't set foot on a sinking ship, man!
5100
5101 You know what I'm insinuating here, Vucket?
5102
5103 Damn you, Vucket, now isn't the time for that!
5104
5105 How should I break the news to them, Vucket?
5106
5107 It wouldn't be fair to keep them in the dark forever.
5108
5109 .8ball
5110
5111 .ball How should I break the news to them?
5112
5113 .8ball well?
5114
5115 *Sigh*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9aNdveldkc
5116
5117 Yep. Blood-Wiper presaged my link by half a second.
5118
5119 He ["T.G.O."] is one of those Neo-Nazis who insists that he is not quite technically a neo-nazi (but the technicality reassures no-one).
5120
5121 bostonsonoma: We've started a letter-writing campaign to get CandidMommy to go back to being vegan. Then she can (60-40 odds) become O00000016a's girlfriend.
5122
5123 bostonsonoma: You think I'm joking? [I'm only HALF joking.] http://pastebin.com/4m47E21W
5124
5125 The scary thing: this video currently has 720 thumbs up, and 85 thumbs down. https://youtu.be/dn-vlDNZFhw
5126
5127 These are your fellow vegans. :-( In case you wanted to imagine you had anything in common with your fellow vegans. :-( http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/63569907783/veganism-fractious-and-fragmentary
5128
5129 Should I tell him, Vucket?
5130
5131 Apropos the topic of thinking that you have anything in common with your fellow vegans: https://youtu.be/1L4euwyRgrs
5132
5133 I was talking about the amethyst crystals, Blood-Wiper.
5134
5135 What, the first thing you noticed wasn't the amethyst crystals? Placed in the sunlight? Pfff.
5136
5137 Sort of a big deal. https://youtu.be/8jQiOofNvFY?t=1m38s
5138
5139 .yt kosher nori japan
5140
5141 Yes! ;-)
5142
5143 .seen vucket
5144
5145 vucket socksy|ded quotes
5146
5147 vucket, socksy|ded quotes
5148
5149 vucket, socksy|ded quotes
5150
5151 .seen spacebicycle
5152
5153 What time-zone are you on, spacebicycle ?
5154
5155 I don't think there's a single Brit or Australian who uses this IRC
5156
5157 zhaey: what's your major?
5158
5159 Are you British? "Enrolled for Maths [plural]", sounds like British usage to me, zhaey
5160
5161 I've been told the university system in the Netherlands is going through some sort of short-term bankruptcy crisis…
5162
5163 …some people encouraged me to study there for that reason, i.e., indicating that the Dutch were desperate for international students, etc.
5164
5165 Nah, universities here are drowning in money, spacebicycle
5166
5167 It's really different from one place to the next.
5168
5169 The British generally use "maths" (in the plural) when they refer to the subject.
5170
5171 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVLu035adr0
5172
5173 I'm in a strange situation at Uni. No matter how much I do, I'm under-achieving. :-/
5174
5175 I'm not talking about my own expectations, socksy|ded
5176
5177 vucket, Magnanimity quotes
5178
5179 Exactly.
5180
5181 If you're suffocating on fumes in an enclosed attic, Sam, now would not be the best time  to IRC.
5182
5183 Did you guys watch that video from Den Haag & Rotterdam? Looks like the Netherlands is beating Tel Aviv on vegan steez.
5184
5185 When you're talking about city-folk, Magnanimity, yeah, I have complete contempt for that excuse-making mentality…
5186
5187 …but things get interesting when you talk to (e.g.) indigenous people who actually know what it is like to hunt a large mammal.
5188
5189 You know, butchering a bear looks remarkably similar to a human corpse: they both stand upright, have an a spine, etc. etc.
5190
5191 To me, "spirituality" is basically meaningless / a dead-end.
5192
5193 But it is interesting to talk to people who have experience with hunting and slaughtering who really do regard it without such excsues…
5194
5195 …a lot of people who know what it is like to spend 12 hours hunting, hauling and slaughtering a bear (1) know that it is (to be blunt), "fucked up", and, (2) know that it is something they don't really want their own children to do / perhaps only to experience once, etc.
5196
5197 In other words, when the convenience is taken out of the equation,
5198
5199 and people really deal with the brutality and gore, etc.
5200
5201 their perspective on these things may change.
5202
5203 May.
5204
5205 Sometimes.
5206
5207 Oh, strange, one word disappeared from one of my former lines of text: "You know, butchering a bear looks remarkably similar to a human corpse: they both stand upright, have an  aesophagous and a spine, etc. etc
5208
5209 I guess "aesophagous" is a spelling error (these days).
5210
5211 There is a book-length treatment on this exact issue, titled "Grateful Prey"
5212
5213 http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft0f59n6tb&brand=ucpress
5214
5215 Long story short: the whole "grateful prey" thing is bullshit…
5216
5217 …and doesn't even really make sense with a direct reading of Cree legends, etc.
5218
5219 But, hey, you can download the book for free (as I recall) if you want a ton of hard-earned Anthropological information on the subject.
5220
5221 Yeah, but there's also individual idiosyncrasy and stupidity to be considered: in a group of 50 men, at least one will basically be stupid and blood-thirsty enough to enjoy killing animals and think nothing of it (just in terms of character traits). You don't wanna be that guy, but he exists (more often than 1/50, TBH).
5222
5223 People who can kill and torture animals and/or people while feeling nothing (etc.) aren't really so uncommon: they exist in every society and culture. The question becomes whether or not this pattern of behavior is glorified or normalized (or if it is treated as something to be ashamed of).
5224
5225 . mic drop
5226
5227 Man, low expectations are no defense against disappointment.
5228
5229 Job-application for a job I _did not_ want…
5230
5231 …but apparently I'm not even going to get to the interview stage.
5232
5233 https://youtu.be/GoMawwQuCNk?t=6s
5234
5235 The fact that I didn't want the job basically meant that I was going to have to consider whether or not I was really willing to do it after the interview, but I just got an e-mail telling me that I've been eliminated prior to the interview. Thus: disappointment despite low expectations.
5236
5237 I'm guessing you guys are talking about the "Creed" ruling in Ontario: http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=7389&catId=1
5238
5239 Talked about that a lot last night (on this IRC and on Facebook, etc.).
5240
5241 justin_timeforcake: without active legislation, the effect of the ruling will remain passive. It will shape the outcome of civil lawsuits, but that's about it.
5242
5243 So, e.g., a prisoner could sue the prison for failing to provide vegan meals.
5244
5245 Yeah, but that's a barrier requiring tens of thousands of dollars in most cases (i.e., lawsuits ain't free).
5246
5247 No, xeLk, without further legislation, it will really just passively shape lawsuits in the manner described. I assume it will very gradually result in vegan options being offered by the military, but, again, without active legislation, they have no reason to do so (and the military is federal, of course).
5248
5249 It basically means, "vegans fit into this categoy, as 'a creed', for future legal cases". That's about it.  In a divorce case, also, it could have interesting implications.
5250
5251 Yeah, but Justin, hospitals, etc., don't have an obligation to provide meals for every creed and religion: they really don't.
5252
5253 Yeah, the implications are interesting…
5254
5255 …but unlike a religion, nobody "joins" this creed: it doesn't have a church or denominations. It is closer to the old-fashioned definition of "pacifist" (as a creed) allowing people to refuse military service (without actually being a member of a pacifist church/organization).
5256
5257 "Stuff like that" has happened to me in hospitals in France, i.e., hospitals that are direct government agencies…
5258
5259 …whereas, in Ontario, hospitals are "scheduled corporations" (not part of the government at all, although people imagine they are).
5260
5261 Yeah, I'm actually going to take some B12 now.  Could cheer me up a bit.
5262
5263 Neither, I'm just over-educated and unemployed, TBH, zhaey. http://youtube.com/heijinzhengzhi/videos
5264
5265 justin_timeforcake: I just got back from Germany (flew back New Year's eve).
5266
5267 You tell me why this video has two thumbs-down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62-xx8oQ5gs
5268
5269 justin_timeforcake: if you're vegan and you live in B.C., HMU on Facebook.
5270
5271 Yeah, I've posted a youtube video reviewing the various vegan restaurants here, including "Green Something".
5272
5273 Here's the restaurant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLtwF08wvQ
5274
5275 .seen O00000016a
5276
5277 I actually do feel better after taking that does of B12. Probably some kind of illusory/psychological effect.
5278
5279 Man, WTF happened to this conversation?
5280
5281 (Actually doing push-ups)
5282
5283 Vucket, raise the moral tone for us, will you?
5284
5285 .bis justin trudeau boxing match
5286
5287 "
5288
5289 "Party for the Animals"
5290
5291 Here she is: http://www.adventistreview.org/assets/public/news/2014-20/rsz_mariannethiememetmees.jpg
5292
5293 ^ justin_timeforcake, she is considered "good looking for a politician".
5294
5295 Quote, “When asked in interviews in newspapers and on radio and TV about her membership in the Seventh-day Adventist Church, she is always very clear and to the point about her religious convictions.”
5296
5297 Real question: would you marry a religious person, if they were vegan? (e.g. Catholic, 7th day Adventist, etc.)
5298
5299 Vegans are a minority within a minority within a minority. :-/ Thinking about these things becomes inevitable.
5300
5301 Re: "what if you married a straight guy".  That would work out fine. We could go cruising together, etc.
5302
5303 And we'd have joint custody of any kids, etc. ;-)
5304
5305 WARNING: THIS IS THE FUTURE. http://catholicveganmom.com/about/
5306
5307 That's a real fucking question, justin_timeforcake
5308
5309 http://www.all-creatures.org/cva/vegbenefits.htm
5310
5311 WARNING: THIS IS REALITY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3y2Dy3f5Ik
5312
5313 Freelee vs. Catholic Vegan Mom. You know who outnumbers who.
5314
5315 Well… I don't play video games. :-/
5316
5317 .b12 vucket
5318
5319 Heartborne: you asking me?
5320
5321 Yeah, I lived there for a significant length of time.
5322
5323 I've written about it on my vegan blog, but there's no point in digging up the links.
5324
5325 Israel's current interest in veganism is a phenom, but it may be short-lived, because it doesn't really have roots.
5326
5327 Taiwan's engagement with veganism calls on a million years of past Chinese heritage…
5328
5329 …and it is partly "strong" because so many other aspects of that heritage are being discarded as worthless…
5330
5331 …whereas the veg*n thing is simultaneously modern and ancient: local and yet cool-in-California.
5332
5333 Unfortunately, though, most of Taiwan is industrialized to the point of being unfit for human habitation.
5334
5335 I formerly lived in the last corner of the island that's still beautiful (not horrendously polluted): the South-East.
5336
5337 I made a facebook group full of photographs of all the vegan restaurants there.
5338
5339 It's nuts: I was within walking distance of 8 different vegan restaurants at all times (and Taidong is a SMALL city!).
5340
5341 Re: "i.e., you can't really escape pollution."  No no, you can. http://aqicn.org/map/taiwan/
5342
5343 I talk about Taiwan for a few minutes in this video (starting circa 14 minutes). https://youtu.be/fWoVTYaAPw4?t=14m15s
5344
5345 Kaohsiung is hell itself.  Are you thinking about moving there?
5346
5347 Taiwan's vegan scene is massive and intense, it just isn't translated into English: at the huge annual vegetarian festival in Taipei, pretty much nobody and nothing is in English. This is a sign of cultural strength, not weakness; but, obviously, it is not likely to play on Youtube as well as what Israel's go going on.
5348
5349 And, yeah, meat-eaters there have contempt for vegans, because they assume you're afraid of ghosts, worship demons, etc.; probably better than people assuming you're an ex-crackhead bicycle athlete.
5350
5351 xeLk: yes, basically, if you move past all of the B.S. misinformation, Taiwan has the strongest vegan culture in the world…
5352
5353 …and it is backed up with legislation.
5354
5355 http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/57790237292/taiwan-korea-and-japan-paradise-for-some-the
5356
5357 http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/56711668399/the-other-side-of-taiwan-dog-meat-and-god-pigs
5358
5359 http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/54864944818/taiwan-raises-the-standard-for-fake-meat
5360
5361 http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/50564144897/taiwan-the-easiest-place-in-the-world-to-be
5362
5363 .seen O00000016a
5364
5365 Probably of some mild interest to you, O00000016a, the links above.
5366
5367 Coming back to the original question, however: neither Taiwan nor Israel are in a good position to be "leaders" of veganism… not in any sense… not even in terms of vegan tourism. :-/ As you're all aware, Chiang Mai, Thailand, is now a sort of leader in that respect, even though vegans are a tiny percentage of the local population.
5368
5369 Portland is about a 10 minute walk away from Victoria, but I've never been there.  Seattle is a 5 minute swim, but I've never been there, either.
5370
5371 I'm wasting my life writing essays on the politics of Asia at this university, instead. :-/
5372
5373 You noticed that hm, O00000016a?
5374
5375 I'm told it is especially painful if you're going back-and-forth to Japan lately.
5376
5377 It is 2016: people still say "mosh" in Toronto. (0_0)
5378
5379 Youtube.
5380
5381 ^ Honest answer.
5382
5383 .seen vucket
5384
5385 "All Men Are Brothers" = alternate title for, "The Water Margin". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Margin
5386
5387 .bis water margin
5388
5389 'Sup.
5390
5391 Just editing a new video for youtube here.
5392
5393 I walked 5 or 6 km today. 3 miles? A real privilege to be able to do that in Canada without wearing a balaclava.
5394
5395 But, meanwhile, .mm global warning, I guess.
5396
5397 WTF? 60 F = +15 C. That's HOT.
5398
5399 Unless you live in Florida, I guess.
5400
5401 In Sask it is -16 C = 3 F.
5402
5403 Poll: ASOIAF. (1) Yeah. (2) Don't know what you're talking about. (3) Watch Game of Thrones, but still don't know what you're talking about.
5404
5405 .pancake bostonsonoma
5406
5407 mloy: I posted Lupe's "Animal Pharm" here a few days ago.
5408
5409 .yt Lupe Fiasco Animal Pharm Lyrics
5410
5411 Yeah, I'm 100 years old. 2011 = yesterday to me.
5412
5413 The age game only ends when you're in the grave. You, along with your enormous collection of defunct fruit-blenders and worn-out bicycle tyres.
5414
5415 .pp mloy (for A1 flirting game)
5416
5417 There was a time when I thought Linux (e.g., Ubuntu) would replace Mac in my life within the next few years. More than a few years went past. Stopped expecting it.
5418
5419 Yeah, but, mloy, you're in the tiny minority of people whose "work" is done in Terminal (i.e., I assume you're a professional in the computer field, given this statement).
5420
5421 What I need computers to be able to do has changed to a shockingly small extent in 20 years: word-processing is still the core function, etc.
5422
5423 mloy: Have you ever tried typing in Burmese? Sinhalese? Laotian? etc. There are reasons why some of us lean on the O.S.
5424
5425 Yeah, I understand: I'm not making an argument either…
5426
5427 …I'm just saying that I'm disappointed that I remain dependent on Mac (and don't really have an alternative) in 2016.
5428
5429 There was a time when I read OSnews (the website) because it seemed like Linux (or something) was soon going to turn the corner, and really present an OSX alternative (for someone like myself). As I said, I eventually gave up looking.
5430
5431 Obviously, in the last 10 years, innovation has been focused on mobile phones, video game consoles, etc.
5432
5433 Core functions (like word processing) have been stagnant at best.
5434
5435 I can't believe the keyboard itself hasn't evolved in 20 years. It's really pathetic, as a method of forming words: lousy for English, even worse for languages from India, China, etc.
5436
5437 .seen vucket
5438
5439 Evidently, Blood-Wiper killed vucket.
5440
5441 In case of boredom, break glass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX7ElJEFytk
5442
5443 mloy: pretty much all of the chocolate + marzipan options made in germany are vegan (i.e., vegan by default).
5444
5445 Marzipan has an astounding ability to make you gain weight: world's most concentrated form of fat + sugar.
5446
5447 Yeah, I'm just saying: the total package as made in Germany (marzipan + chocolate + all additives, etc.) is generally vegan by default.
5448
5449 (They pair it with bitter chocolate, etc., I guess.)
5450
5451 At this point, the Netherlands is so densely populated that it could be declared one giant city. Perhaps "Mega City One".
5452
5453 http://www.niederegger.de/Sortiment-Shop mloy
5454
5455 Klassiker Zartbitter, etc., will  be vegan.
5456
5457 A lot of people in Europe are lactose intolerant.
5458
5459 iceroll, what country are you from/in?
5460
5461 Vegan foxhunting, man. I'm bringing it back. Bunch of guys on bicycles, beating the hell out of a tofurky with golf clubs. Pure natural high.
5462
5463 iceroll, make a youtube channel talking about democracy in Switzerland: I used to talk about Switzerland all the fucking time with Communist Government Officials in Laos. Seriously, seriously, they need to look at examples of democracy other than Australia and China (WTF?).
5464
5465 I'm telling you: vegan equestrianism exists. Vegan foxhunting exists.  If you can make a vegan croissant, you can make vegan anything.
5466
5467 Everyone who says they'll never fall in love with a meat eater is doomed (and fated) to fall in love with a meat eater. The statistics are as powerful as the dead gods on this one.
5468
5469 .bis amalgam dark claw batman
5470
5471 11:35 PM: when this IRC suddenly gets personal, profound and disturbing.
5472
5473 (Pacific Time)
5474
5475 I notice that BW completely derailed the soul-searching conversation about lost-love and abusive ex-girlfriends there.
5476
5477 mm. Blood-Wiper
5478
5479 Hey, I narrate my own heart-break on Youtube.  And I use my real name, etc. (not anonymous posting) for that kind of autobiographical material (in both written and video form).
5480
5481 Real people do real things.
5482
5483 iceroll: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
5484
5485 .seen vucket
5486
5487 Hi.
5488
5489 Apparently (in terms of the current ratio of thumbs-down) my newest Youtube video is… uh… more controversial than I had thought it was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX7ElJEFytk
5490
5491 33 up, 9 down (currently). Not a big deal, just surprising to me, as (from my perspective) it has an entirely-positive message…
5492
5493 …and is (let's face it) preaching to the converted.
5494
5495 Oh, right… the comments about religious groups… yeah, yeah, that completely explains the thumbs-down ratio. Yeah, I forgot about that. WenGobou
5496
5497 Smoking tobacco is a social construct; still addictive; not easily explained in terms of the (supposed) logic of evolution, etc. etc. Things don't make sense. Why would they?
5498
5499 .vucket DoctorEville quotes
5500
5501 vucket DoctorEville quotes
5502
5503 vucket, DoctorEville quotes
5504
5505 Hm!
5506
5507 The concept "social construct" is a social construct: in Cambridge's dept. of Anthropology, they hang a sign saying, "Gender is a Social Construct" on the bathroom doors (i.e., instead of male & female).  It's a fad.
5508
5509 Exactly.
5510
5511 There is an "ignore" button, grisher. I mention this as you may genuinely not be aware of it.
5512
5513 Oh… you're the first Australian I've seen/met/spoken-to here. I'd wondered why there weren't more (yet).
5514
5515 Man, I legit have no idea what "the t word" is. )_0
5516
5517 o_0
5518
5519 vucket, forget that
5520
5521 I wonder what vucket's perspective on the matter is. Perhaps he considers his own "life" meaningful in ways we can't imagine. :-/ Acting out a script of random cues, again and again.
5522
5523 +help
5524
5525 +chat
5526
5527 +chat testing 1223
5528
5529 vegblocks, chat
5530
5531 Hm.
5532
5533 sup
5534
5535 Sup, O00000016a
5536
5537 I managed to upload a new video last night.  Despite the "impending doom" foretold by that stack of books at the end of my desk.
5538
5539 Thanks, man.
5540
5541 Still waiting for that reply from CandidMommy. ;-)
5542
5543 I hate to be the one to say this: but the change in the shape, size and color of the nipples is visible in pregnancy (from day 1 in my experience). The hormone changes associated with 1st trimester pregnancy are, thus, readily visible in the breast (if you have a solid idea of what's normal and what's not, etc.).
5544
5545 realworld_thursday: I would take that as a significant indication.  #notadoctorbut
5546
5547 Your body goes through HUGE hormonal changes from day 1 in pregnancy; the fact that some people are able to become pregnant and remain pregnant without noticing is an astounding testimony to the human powers of distraction.
5548
5549 You guys should think about becoming vegan. All of these minor health problems disappear.*
5550
5551 BTW, vegan_eggbeaters, I responded to our prior discussion in the video I posted last night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX7ElJEFytk
5552
5553 Quote, "Anxiety refers to multiple mental and physiological phenomena, including a person's conscious state of worry over a future unwanted event, or fear of an actual situation. Anxiety and fear are closely related. Some scholars view anxiety as a uniquely human emotion and fear as common to nonhuman species. Another distinction often made between
5554
5555  fear and anxiety is that fear is an adaptive response to realistic threat, whereas anxiety is a diffuse emotion, sometimes an unreasonable or excessive reaction to current or future perceived threat."
5556
5557 Vucket, vegan_eggbeaters quotes
5558
5559 .8ball Is Vucket a trustworthy character-witness?
5560
5561 Because I'm a despicable human being, vegan_eggbeaters.
5562
5563 .wouldyou
5564
5565 tetsuo29: I assume there are geographical constraints involved.
5566
5567 You guys have a really low opinion of clowns.
5568
5569 Clowns are people too.
5570
5571 Just because they went to performing art school… seriously.
5572
5573 I think it would be more interesting if you interpreted the premise in another way: these people are clowns, exhausted from a long day's work, but at the end of the day, the make-up comes off… and they reflect on how different their lives are from what they'd expected when they were in performing arts school, etc.
5574
5575 Again: c'mon, clowns are people too.
5576
5577 Eros without pathos would be meaningless, people.
5578
5579 Vucket, quote me on that.
5580
5581 Touché, vucket old pal.
5582
5583 "Eros without pathos would be meaningless" —E.M., 5 minutes ago.
5584
5585 .seen vegan_eggbeaters
5586
5587 Just wondering if you had any comment after seeing the vide.
5588
5589 Presumably you're not fuming with barely-repressed rage. Presumably.
5590
5591 Well, the question I'm raising (in a sustained way, throughout the whole length of the video) is, "Why would you characterize this as a 'call-out'?". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX7ElJEFytk
5592
5593 These are substantive discussions of substantive issues (various examples, etc.).
5594
5595 Yeah, but my point is: I'm not one of them.
5596
5597 My video responding to (and offering critique of) Privileged Vegan is NOT "bashing"; nor are any of the other examples here.
5598
5599 My various videos on Thailand reflect real life-experience, real concerns, and sharing real facts, etc. --and largely in a very constructive way.
5600
5601 However, yes, I'm aware that some other people on Youtube are basically just hurling insults around, etc. (and I've discussed that on  my channel, too… e.g., people throwing around accusations of racism, apparently just to get attention, etc.).
5602
5603 I already made at least one video on that, I think, vegan_eggbeaters, although perhaps not exactly what you're looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvq35KgWRNE
5604
5605 Here in Canada, we have the "civilized"
5606
5607 system of paying $800+ for health insurance…
5608
5609 …and then spending more than a year doing paperwork to try to get the $800 paid back.
5610
5611 And we boast that this is vastly better than the American system.
5612
5613 I think my total cost of health insurance (year one) in Canada was circa $1,400.  And this is promoted as "free" health-care.
5614
5615 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-07-28/heart-surgery-in-india-for-1-583-costs-106-385-in-u-s-
5616
5617 "he has cut the price of artery-clearing coronary bypass surgery to 95,000 rupees ($1,583), half of what it was 20 years ago, and wants to get the price down to $800 within a decade. The same procedure costs $106,385 at Ohio’s Cleveland Clinic, according to data from the U.S. Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services."
5618
5619 tetsuo29: My income is "zero". The rate I paid is the same as what a homeless person would be expected to pay to get "free" health insurance in this province in Canada… although "basic" health would just be the $800… the rest was extracted from me in payments demanded by my university, for "extended" insurance. I'll never use any of it.
5620
5621 There are countries with better systems, there are countries with worse systems, no doubt.
5622
5623 I think I got about $600 back from the $800, based on my ability to do paperwork, and hold a fixed address, etc.
5624
5625 vegan_eggbeaters: Do you have experience with the French or Cuban systems, or have you done research on either one? The French system in my experience is pretty terrible, and I met and spoke with a medical doctor who had extensive experience with Cuban doctors, and related horror-stories, etc.
5626
5627 The formal research I've done on the health-sector was in "Cambodia, etc.".
5628
5629 Yeah, but I'm talking about _the system_, not anecdotes…
5630
5631 …such as the cubans producing doctors who have less education than what we consider nurses, etc.
5632
5633 Re:
5634
5635 Re: "France has the lowest costs…", again, my diploma is in political science and I have direct experience, etc. You didn't answer my question:
5636
5637 Do you have direct experience, or have you done research?
5638
5639 It sounds like you're reporting stories that people tell about French & Cuban health-care, without having looked into it (no offense).
5640
5641 You really get defensive quick, hm?
5642
5643 WHen/
5644
5645 ?
5646
5647 Where was the insult?
5648
5649 I asked you a question, and then I pointed out that you hadn't answered the question:
5650
5651 When I was in Laos, I talked to many health-care professionals about the system within Laos…
5652
5653 …but the reality is you could talk to a surgeon who is an expert in surgery, who has not done reading on how "the system" works (in terms of payment, insurance, politics, etc.).
5654
5655 Yes, someone from political science who has experience researching how contrasting systems work has a different perspective than someone who may have extensive and/or deep knowledge in any given medical field.
5656
5657 vegan_eggbeaters: You're asking the wrong question…
5658
5659 …I asked you, completely reasonably, how you formed your opinion of the French system…
5660
5661 …it COULD be based on experience…
5662
5663 …it COULD be based on reading studies…
5664
5665 etc.
5666
5667 You're invited to remark on how you've formed your opinion.
5668
5669 It isn't a right/wrong answer I'm looking for.
5670
5671 It isn't irrelevant: I'm interested in knowing how you (an American doctor) formed a positive opinion of the French system. It's entirely possible that you're right, or that you have a lot to tell me, etc.
5672
5673 You could have just said, "Yeah, I've read about it for ____ reason" or "with _____ interest", etc.; you could have made any statement whatsoever on how you became interested in France and/or Cuba, and there was absolutely no reason for this hyper-defensive reaction on your part.
5674
5675 Re: "I would not trust a single isolated experience over a peer reviewed journal any day."
5676
5677 This is the internet: people talk about their isolated experiences…
5678
5679 …and I would be totally open to hearing about YOUR isolated experiences, too.
5680
5681 I wasn't "insulting" you (as you complained).  I wasn't shutting you down, either.
5682
5683 I asked a totally appropriate, open-ended question.
5684
5685 Oh yeah. Me am so impressed.
5686
5687 Guess what?  If you wanted to tell me about how your grandfather got his leg amputated, I would be interested: because I'm a human being having a conversation.
5688
5689 I wouldn't say, "That's just an anecdote".
5690
5691 What horse-shit.
5692
5693 Yeah, right: five different people listed (anecdotally) their costs of health-care…
5694
5695 …and their experience with health-insurance, debt, etc.
5696
5697 at NO POINT did you say, "I'm not interested in anecdotes"
5698
5699 at NO POINT did you say, "I'm a scientist: I disregard your merely-human stories of your own experience".
5700
5701 Get real.
5702
5703 You complained that I had insulted you, vegan_eggbeaters, and then you write to me: "I can see why you're in poly sci and have a hx of divorce." Gee, not insulting at all?
5704
5705 Yeah, but this isn't about diagnosis of anything: I would have been genuinely interested to hear (e.g.) how you became interested in the Cuban health-care system.
5706
5707 Re: "I'm feisty. You want to play rough? I'm game."
5708
5709 Let's be clear: you said I insulted you, and I never did.
5710
5711 On the contrary: you insulted me, and never apologized.
5712
5713 When I asked when I had insulted you, you had no answer.
5714
5715 Look, I took the time to give her a very reasonable reply (to a totally unreasonable and hostile set of comments) in my most  recent Youtube video. Most of you have already seen it (she's referred to as the medical professional, etc.). It was obviously a wasted effort to try to be reasonable with her (or, conversely, this is just her idea of "fun" 
5716
5717 on IRC). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX7ElJEFytk
5718
5719 .8ball why bother?
5720
5721 justin_timeforcake: you'll find the flow of the conversation much easier to follow if you just mute/ignore Blood-Wiper. :-/ One of those "old fashioned" feature of IRC.
5722
5723 Man, and people get angry at me for wanting to talk about the comparative merits of the French health-insurance system.
5724
5725 You know what I'm saying, vucket?
5726
5727 .b12 vucket
5728
5729 .b12 vegan_eggbeaters
5730
5731 I stand in mute awe at what became of this conversation.
5732
5733 Here, apparently "the saga continues", O00000016a: http://youtu.be/zsOK18hRa4k I haven't watched this, and I'm not going to; a friend sent me the link for obvious reasons, and I checked the description-text (as my name was in it), but beyond that, I've really said all I could possibly say on this. V.R. imagines this is going to snowball into some k
5734
5735 ind of controversy, but there is just (fundamentally) no snow to make a ball out of here. It's the same when V.R. tries to start a fight with Unnatural Vegan, etc.
5736
5737 This is the thing I don't get about (e.g.) unreasonable criticism from vegan_eggbeaters: it can't really be that hard to see the difference between someone making a sincere contribution vs. trolling (and/or just causing drama to get attention, etc.).
5738
5739 Anyway, as stated, I think I said all I could possibly say about this _before_ the video from V.R.  So I leave it at that.
5740
5741 O00000016a: I'm not surprised to hear it.  As I say, V.R. is trying to make a snowball without any snow. The bottom line is that none of these people hate each-other, none of us are even angry at each-other. Both V.R. and Cheetah are (basically and simply) fans of my channel. I think Cheetah could be fairly described as a fan of both V.R. and me, e
5742
5743 tc., so there is just no basis for trying to create a controversy here.
5744
5745 Anyway, ironically, I guess the video I made yesterday is even more salient now. :-/
5746
5747 .seen drgalactus
5748
5749 vucket, drgalactus quotes
5750
5751 Truly, words to be remembered by.
5752
5753 vucket, drgalactus quotes
5754
5755 vucket, drgalactus quotes
5756
5757 Well, I never met you, drgalactus, but you've given me words that shall never be forgotten.
5758
5759 Thanks.  I liked the recent "cocaine" video, too, but it seems to be less popular than everything else.
5760
5761 Needless to say, it somehow drags the issue of cocaine back to the philosophy of veganism. I seem to be suffering from a mild monomania… at least in terms of what I say on Youtube, lately.
5762
5763 Meanwhile… gad… I'm researching so many unrelated things this semester at Uni.
5764
5765 Usually comes up in the context of women who are trying to sleep with me. Not really a question of "rude", but… I don't understand how they can possibly think they're getting closer to me (in any sense: friend, lover or one-night-stand) if they're going to attempt to eat meat at the same table with me.
5766
5767 .seen justin_timeforcake
5768
5769 Is justin here under another name?
5770
5771 Hi Justin, just saw your comments on reddit, etc.
5772
5773 mloy: I'm basically not dating anyone in the shadow of my divorce, but the truth is I'd be closer to the "stereotype.
5774
5775 Meh. I'm happy I'm divorced. Everything else is a problem.
5776
5777 justin_timeforcake: I just meant I'd seen your comments leading up to this masterpiece: "Let's say you go to a friend's house and said friend has a family that doesn't like shoes to be worn inside of the house. You would feel it is customary to take off your shoes, right? Would you throw a hissy fit if at your home---where in this hypothetical you 
5778
5779 don't mind shoes being worn in the house--- if your friend took off their shoes when entering your home?"
5780
5781 BOOM!  I'm now completely convinced that being vegan is the same as asking someone to take their shoes off.
5782
5783 vucket, stop it
5784
5785 I should form a political party to try to force EVERYONE to take their shoes off. [New frontiers in mixed metaphors.]
5786
5787 Salingerfan clearly = bunniesandguac.  The constant references to creationism, etc.
5788
5789 How did the bot assign a female gender to Justin in that sentence?
5790
5791 I don't know anyone's gender on this forum anyway.  I refer to you all as genderless 人。
5792
5793 The point being that Justin is, in fact, tacitly female? Arright.
5794
5795 Pff. Searching for "vegan" on Craigslist turns up all kinds of useless stuff.
5796
5797 http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/roo/5412481752.html
5798
5799 http://buffalo.craigslist.org/mis/5410430300.html
5800
5801 Seriously… this one is a sobering reminder of where your life could be headed: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/w4m/5413560375.html
5802
5803 You see, it's hard to keep track of genders in this forum.
5804
5805 justin_timeforcake: you're extremely open-minded heterosexual male, as you're planning to marry O00000016a
5806
5807 .yt it's getting hot in here nelly
5808
5809 Sam, could you fill in the gaps a bit (so far as the implied plot of that screen-shot with salingerfan)?
5810
5811 That's enough, vucket. Settle down.
5812
5813 Joe Rogan = not worth it.  Not worth 5 minutes of your time.
5814
5815 Seriously: "The Rubin Report" is profound compared to Joe Rogan.
5816
5817 Joe Rogan is openly on testosterone; perhaps less-openly on other steroids.
5818
5819 Yeah, hell… HGH… what a scumbag ""Now, I take human growth hormone and testosterone." http://www.mmanews.com/joe-rogan-details-testosterone-hgh-other-drug-use-in-interview/
5820
5821 .help
5822
5823 .brainfuck
5824
5825 .keto
5826
5827 .wrainbow
5828
5829 .wordusage
5830
5831 .wordusage fug
5832
5833 ???
5834
5835 .yomomma
5836
5837 .yomomma jaybutts
5838
5839 .wouldyou
5840
5841 Man, that came a little bit too close to home there, garybot
5842
5843 .wordusage vegan
5844
5845 I warned you, Cake: Joe Rogan's steez is so terrible that it makes "The Rubin Report" seem like a profound and worthwhile use of your time.
5846
5847 Fine, I'll join ing:
5848
5849 .mm joe rogan
5850
5851 Is vucket expected to "keep score" for the ".mm" command?
5852
5853 He has a HUGE audience. Youtube views are only a fraction of his total broadcast range.
5854
5855 But the things is, that's exactly what I'm going for with my own channel: "he just embodies every douchey, loud-mouth, ignorant, bully, typical alpha male wannabe "
5856
5857 I just target a tiny audience of 200 self-loathing vegan intellectuals.
5858
5859 World's most indirect insult: (1) you look like Joe Rogan, (2) Joe Rogan is ugly/revolting. ;-)
5860
5861 lol
5862
5863 Exactly, vucket. Preach.
5864
5865 Human Growth Hormone (HGH) also makes you look weird.  Same issue with Rich Piana's face (although that isn't the only drug Rich uses). Rogan's drug habits have definitely had a cumulative effect on his appearance.
5866
5867 However, HGH is one of the only drugs that changes the look of your nose, eyes, bone-structure, skull, etc.
5868
5869 .urban joe rogan
5870
5871 You're all talk, justin_timeforcake. I don't think you've got what it takes to be a Cowspiracy groupie.
5872
5873 Me ranting about cowspiracy still has more views than anything else I ever uploaded. They (the Cowspiracy guys) posted a link to it at some point, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frz_Q69UBCc
5874
5875 Re: "oh man the sun just came out".  Here too. Must be the same sun.
5876
5877 justin_timeforcake: I'm in Vic. City, B.C. Nobody likes this video, but it gives a really useful overview of every vegan restaurant here, and, also, provides a stunning Joe Rogan impersonation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLtwF08wvQ
5878
5879 Re: "is there any good vegan pizza in victoria?"  IMO, no, not at all. However, I'm an unusually cosmopolitan and well-traveled person.
5880
5881 Went to a pizza restaurant with a bunch of vegans here (a vegan meeting/event), and I rated that pizza a zero out of ten, but everyone else at the table thought it was fine/good. I'd had better pizza in Vientiane, Laos (not to mention Europe).
5882
5883 You know, justin, you're really a very close-minded and judgemental person, when it comes to pizza.
5884
5885 In Italy, the south of France, etc. they have traditional pizza that never was made with cheese, etc. I cannot believe I'm put in the position of giving voice to traditional culture. I kick myself before posting this comment.
5886
5887 justin_timeforcake: Nice has a traditional pizza made with onions and black olives, but it never was made with cheese, etc. Similar story province-by-province throughout Italy, etc. https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1047&bih=955&q=http%3A%2F%2Fifood.tv%2Fitalian%2F339779-pizzaladiere-nicoise&oq=http%3A%2F%2Fifood.t
5888
5889 v%2Fitalian%2F339779-pizzaladiere-nicoise&gs_l=img.3...1368.1368.0.1618.1.1.0.0.0.0.64.64.1.1.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.0.0.G66zjHFYOSc#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=pizzaladiere+nicoise
5890
5891 True enough.
5892
5893 Exactly.
5894
5895 Just resign yourself to the cultural superiority of Naples, already.
5896
5897 Tucson, AZ, can't be the world leader in everything.
5898
5899 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmBn4ynpA9o
5900
5901 .bis moosonee
5902
5903 Plural of moose is mooswak. It is a Cree / Algonquian word.
5904
5905 http://www.creedictionary.com/search/?q=Moose&scope=0
5906
5907 Thus, e.g., the toponym moosonee is a corruption of the locative form.
5908
5909 .seen O00000016a
5910
5911 Hi
5912
5913 Sorry, just writing a reply.
5914
5915 Just got some more interesting fan-mail from people who can be bothered to read everything Vegan Revolution has been writing.
5916
5917 The fan-mail I received contained the following: "And was compelled to contact you after reading a comment on VR channel under his latest video stating you had tweeted him that you were going to do a response video with some "truth bombs"."
5918
5919 I haven't seen this comment (alluded-to) from VR, and it may be harmless enough… but still… it's a lie.  VR hasn't had any such conversation with me.
5920
5921 I've also gotten fan-mail from people who are (apparently-sincerely) offended by some of V.R.'s comments linked to race, etc.
5922
5923 (WTF?  Is the name nofap314159 a joke?)
5924
5925 (I'm just somewhat astounded that someone would use "nofap" as the label for their public identity.)
5926
5927 .pp snow
5928
5929 O00000016a: Wu-Tang is for the children. https://youtu.be/BS181X4F3bw?t=14s
5930
5931 1998 was a long time ago. 1993 was a long, long time ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDsW9CiF1QI
5932
5933 I used to know, yeah… can't remember now. O00000016a
5934
5935 Oh yeah, I rememebr…
5936
5937 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOTINIbXMk O00000016a
5938
5939 BOOM!
5940
5941 They sampled half a second from that, looped it, and made a 16-bar banger.
5942
5943 The current multi-vitamin I'm taking improves my memory… it is sort of creepy and disturbing to experience the change, BTW. I seriously would have gotten a higher grade in Japanese (last semester) if I'd been taking the same vitamin at the time.
5944
5945 O00000016a: I sent you an answer privately.
5946
5947 vegan_eggbeaters: I thought your "strong suit" was insulting me because (1) I've got a degree in Pol. Sci., and (2) I'm divorced. Two things that are, like, dark secrets, that I don't openly talk about on my Youtube channel all the time, rite?
5948
5949 .fite public indifference
5950
5951 .fite voter apathy
5952
5953 .fite intellectual mediocrity
5954
5955 Well said, garybot old chum, well said.
5956
5957 Re: "b) what on Earth are you talking about?" Your former strong suit was to insult me by saying, "Yeah, well, I can see why you're a political science major and have a hx of divorce". It's memorable to me because I think I've never seen "history" abbreviated as hx before. vegan_eggbeaters
5958
5959 Re: "so should i staple my ball sack to my leg or what?" I'
5960
5961 Re: "so should i staple my ball sack to my leg or what?" I'm guessing the context for this was… asking about a bicycle seat?
5962
5963 Person 1: "This bicycle seat is horizontal, and I lack the tools necessary to adjust the angle."  Person 2: "Well, you might as well go ahead and affix your ball sack to your leg… preferably not with staples."
5964
5965 O00000016a: as a courier, do you wear all-skin-tight (spandex, etc.), or did you go with the all-baggy aesthetic?
5966
5967 I used to do long-distance cycling with military-style trousers: baggy, with pockets on the sides of the legs.
5968
5969 It is very easy for me to imagine the need for "cargo shorts over it to hold all the stuff i need".
5970
5971 Still… it wouldn't look as cool as
5972
5973 .bis killarmy first album cover
5974
5975 Re: "i would wear baggy military pants, but it would get caught in my chain ring".  Yeah, you get a loop (with a clasp, basically, like a tiny belt) to put around the baggy paints at the strategic point.
5976
5977 BTW, that .bis attempt went far wrong. What I was thinking of (of course) was this: http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/00/f4/0fd3619009a06aa538526110.L.jpg\
5978
5979 http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/00/f4/0fd3619009a06aa538526110.L.jpg
5980
5981 O00000016a: https://youtu.be/_1nFgkmAtCI?t=7m26s
5982
5983 "Killarmy" was part of the neoclassical Wu-Tang sound, i.e., not the absolute earliest period.  They were a big part of both "The Swarm" projects, as I recall.
5984
5985 O00000016a: I assume you already know about "the gravediggaz" project (several albums, again Wu-Tang spin-off). DJ-Vlad mentioned them recently, in discussions of fiction-in-hip-hop (as opposed to alleged realness).
5986
5987 'Sup.
5988
5989 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Y0zuPN30I
5990
5991 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEjgLqXQ04E
5992
5993 I don't believe he's a psychopath.
5994
5995 How bout you?
5996
5997 I had a few messages back and forth with him when his channel was new (didn't yet have a million followers), and I said to him bluntly that I wouldn't even joke about violence (threats of violence, etc.) in the way that he does, i.e., that I found that side of what he was doing despicable, although obviously there's a lot of value in other aspects 
5998
5999 of his project (quoting scientific articles in a comprehensible way, etc.).
6000
6001 Re: "how did you get into this youtube stuff?" I think you can see the answer to that just by clicking around my youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvnSIOmIiJ4
6002
6003 Not much.
6004
6005 No, it's not a secret. I've been planning to make a video for a while with a title along the lines of, "Why I'm not French."
6006
6007 test12: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IE_expansion.png
6008
6009 test12: http://pali.pratyeka.org/Map2004to2009.jpg
6010
6011 It never snows in Vic city. Not really.
6012
6013 .bis snow butchart gardens
6014
6015 No. Not a single snowflake this year.
6016
6017 Vic. city has a surreal climate, in many way.
6018
6019 No, geographically, this is an extremely sheltered harbor…
6020
6021 …the ocean is calmer than a lake here…
6022
6023 …and that's why native people lived here, etc.
6024
6025 (Their village was centered on what's now the lawn of the parliament building, downtown.)
6026
6027 Re: "patch of grass in the middle of an intersection that was full of bunnies". Improbable but not impossible.  We have wild rabbit and/or hare around. justin_timeforcake
6028
6029 WTF? "a plan to trap the rabbits, spay and neuter them, and send them to a sanctuary in Texas."  As if we lack empty space in B.C. to serve as rabbit-habitat.
6030
6031 Even the outermost western edge of this province is vastly under-populated, in terms of bipeds; plenty of space for rabbits, not to mention apex predators.
6032
6033 https://youtu.be/CrLB19DH7yI?t=1m21s
6034
6035 This is a longstanding source of political tension in Canada, test12
6036
6037 Teaching of "standard" (European) French, vs. Quebec French…
6038
6039 …and, within Quebec, the language-status of First Nations people (most of whom opt for English over French)…
6040
6041 …and then the Catholics hate the Protestants and vice-versa, etc. etc.
6042
6043 It's just a political decision. It is what it is. Meanwhile, most of the indigenous languages face extinction, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policies_of_Canada's_provinces_and_territories#History_.28before_1982.29
6044
6045 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTGwzVmSJU
6046
6047 justin_timeforcake: I think you're confusing several different categories (that are, legitimately, confusing).
6048
6049 Language education policy is different in each province.  It's part of provincial law, not Federal law.
6050
6051 Provinces like Ontario, etc., all use European-standard French in classrooms, etc.; I'm sure a few school boards in Nova Scotia, etc., have set up their own standards for acadienne French , with involvement from the province, etc.
6052
6053 Anglophones who grow up within Quebec are another story, etc. etc.
6054
6055 Currently, education on First Nations reserves within Quebec = handled by the federal government (not the provinces) creating yet another peculiar set of paradoxes.
6056
6057 test12: "quebecois isn't considered an inferior language to stnadard french there" … uh… this isn't a perfect world. People in "the real France" do openly laugh and sneer at Q. dialect french, and treat it with real derision and contempt.
6058
6059 justin_timeforcake: Canada also makes life complicated by having multiple, overlapping "school boards" within every area… so I assume there's one school-board in Cape Breton that takes this approach, not others, etc. etc.
6060
6061 Yep.
6062
6063 Acadian nationalism is a real thing.  Like most forms of nationalism, it becomes pursued as an end-in-itself, and as a virtue-in-itself, for those who believe in it. Not to be confused with Akkadian Empire
6064
6065 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadians
6066
6067 Quote, "They deported approximately 11,500 Acadians from the maritime region. Approximately one-third perished from disease and drowning.[10] Although one historian compared this event to contemporary ethnic cleansing, other historians suggested that the event is comparable with other deportations in history."  Once again, "Not to be confused with 
6068
6069 Akkadian Empire"
6070
6071 justin_timeforcake: I agree, it always gets a bit absurd when you have contrasting claim between colonizing populations of this kind (a short of phony indigenism), tending to disregard ACTUAL indigenous people, etc..
6072
6073 Quote, "The Acadians lived for almost 80 years in Acadia, prior to the British Siege of Port Royal in 1710. After the Conquest, they lived under British rule for the next forty-five years. During the French and Indian War (the North American theatre of the Seven Years' War), British colonial officers suspected they were aiding the French. The Briti
6074
6075 sh, together with New England legislators and militia, carried out the Great Expulsion of 1755–1764 during and after the war years."
6076
6077 BTW, justin_timeforcake, remember how the train (Vic. to Nanaimo) was supposed to been re-opened last year?  What happened to that?
6078
6079 Still no train?
6080
6081 Oh, you're brand new. justin_timeforcake
6082
6083 "Service is indefinitely suspended pending repairs of the track – service had been projected to resume in 2015, however as of April 2015 repairs to the track had not commenced."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria%E2%80%93Courtenay_train
6084
6085 Googled around.  What a joke: "Southern Railway of Vancouver Island (SVI) expects passenger train service to return to the Island by the end of next year or early 2017." :-/
6086
6087 So, again, I'm supposed to infer that mloy is male (not female) from this banter, apparently.
6088
6089 Can't believe they made a major motion picture out of material this obscure (wasn't well known even in the 1980s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRih_VtVAs
6090
6091 I wouldn't say I'm a fan, it's just a significant portion of life-on-earth. morchella
6092
6093 This time you had "omnioquotes", not omniquotes, zeroes
6094
6095 vucket, omniquotes
6096
6097 .wouldyou
6098
6099 .wouldyou
6100
6101 Pff.
6102
6103 .wouldyou
6104
6105 https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/584343.jpg
6106
6107 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGth_VxbuDg
6108
6109 Yet more news from Canada in that video… although the reporting is so vaguely worded that I can't tell what they're claiming has actually happened (legally/politically)…
6110
6111 No, it's a creed…
6112
6113 a creed is not a right.
6114
6115 But the video, above, is talking about this:
6116
6117 http://www.animaljustice.ca/blog/parliament-is-already-taking-action-to-save-animals/
6118
6119 The story was about some new proposed bills (federally) in Canada… I'd say there's a zero percent chance to pass the "Ending the Captivity of Whales and Dolphins Act"…
6120
6121 …not really sure how you square any of this stuff as "federal" (vs. provincial), among other questions.
6122
6123 The whale-advocates I know here in B.C. all have to confess that the situation for preservation is so dire that they do need some (more-than-zero) capacity to keep whales in captivity.
6124
6125 O00000016a: they're both good… I think most critics felt the second one was better than the  first. I can't remember having an opinion one way or the other.
6126
6127 O00000016a: https://youtu.be/zY6A_6atuhI
6128
6129 Bunch of Czarface tracks (legit) free-for-download on this mixtape, zeroes: http://www.datpiff.com/Ghostface-Killah-Dj-Phyre-Govahment-Promotions-Presents-The-Wu-Ge-mixtape.467173.html
6130
6131 vucket, remember a-bas-le-ciel trivial witticism
6132
6133 vucket, remember a-bas-le-ciel inconsequential wordplay
6134
6135 Sam, it's time to come clean: Blood Wiper is a bot, isn't he?
6136
6137 He's a bot who has developed an ego, and yet no sense of direction, purpose or motivation in life.
6138
6139 And yet somehow I have managed to prevent myself from rapping on youtube, O00000016a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF6mhVuelqo
6140
6141 zhaey: are you ready to SELL OUT? https://www.hays.co.jp/en/jobs/index.htm
6142
6143 O00000016a: you definitely could create a youtube channel talking about kicking drugs. You'd get viewers.
6144
6145 Oddly, I was just reminded yesterday of the extent to which I've influenced people (who know me) to quit drugs…
6146
6147 …sort of a field-of-gravity effect, as I don't really preach to them (etc.).
6148
6149 O00000016a: Cheetah doesn't actually say that much about the process of quitting itself…
6150
6151 Send him an e-mail or whatever.
6152
6153 None of these people are hard to find.
6154
6155 Ah, interesting.
6156
6157 I met a guy in the golden triangle (the INFAMOUS golden triangle) who went there, as a tourist, to try to quit his drug habit (he was australian). I think cocaine (rather than heroin) was his main thing.
6158
6159 I loved that aspect of CandidMommy's story, BTW: she didn't notice her husband's weight-loss (due to drug addiction) because he was on P90X at the time.  Tragi-comic.
6160
6161 Yeah, he was an Australian guy who worked construction. I think he did quit successfully, i.e., short-term. Long-term you get into the "meaning of life" questions. Short-term is just overcoming the chemical compulsion/depednency; but long-term you need some set of positive motivations for what you actually ARE doing (not just what you're avoiding).
6162
6163 You thinking about going back to school, zeroes? I don't know your age, BTW.
6164
6165 Cheetah, also, doesn't talk about that much, be he's back in school.
6166
6167 If you want to live in Canada, I'd say that's the way to go.
6168
6169 One of the few options for making an arts-major employable within Canada.
6170
6171 I knew a guy here in visual arts who was asking me about moving to Taiwan and/or Korea to get involved with illustration, animation, and art-for-video-games, etc.
6172
6173 The reality is: all of that stuff is minimum wage or less…
6174
6175 …TONS of talented people, willing to work for next-to-nothing.
6176
6177 vegan_eggbeaters: for the first time, you admit that you listen to hip-hop, too! We're gonna get along just fine, doc.
6178
6179 Ordering ANY vegan t-shirt in Canada is massively over-priced.
6180
6181 Cam
6182
6183 Can't you order a standard sports-jersey from mainstream companies, and just get the team-name stated as "Vegan"? Probably a good work-around, no?
6184
6185 Can you remember the "silent disco" trend, O00000016a? Where people would show up at a party/club, and dance with headphones on?
6186
6187 Yeah, I just did the world's least subtle video on that theme, BTW, morchella https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5S1dGEC_-U
6188
6189 (I remember the name Kid Koala from 100 years ago.)
6190
6191 Hey, I've lived in two different Communist countries (present tense) and at least one ex-Communist country. The long shadow of Communism is still a big part of my life today, hm, Vucket?
6192
6193 Just so, vucket, old chap.
6194
6195 Strange to see quotation marks added around the word "is".
6196
6197 WTF? I just ordered $169 worth of clothes, and it says I'm gonna pay $50 in "Estimated Duty & Related Tax". ??????
6198
6199 The exchange rate (CDN vs. USD) currently entails that even clothing that's 50% off seems "overpriced" (ordering on the internet).
6200
6201 Man.  I really don't want to cancel the order: I need shoes that can endure a 6 km walk (on concrete).
6202
6203 .yt Public Enemy - Can't Truss It
6204
6205 No, Nike got their act together, and now have a world-class auditing program for labor conditions in their factories, etc., vegan_eggbeaters
6206
6207 Nike is now given as a textbook example for corporate responsibility (and "turnaround") under that heading, believe it or not…
6208
6209 …and you can dowload their compliance reports, etc.
6210
6211 .8ball how much work am I going to get done before midnight?
6212
6213 .8ball am I going to get any work done at all before midnight?
6214
6215 I'm on the phone now about those shoes, mloy
6216
6217 $50 cross-border fee… plus the exchange rate… grumble…
6218
6219 It's all made in China anyway… absurd…æ
6220
6221 For performance and design in the sole, I could never deal with any of these brands (for shoes).
6222
6223 Most of the stuff by Nike I despise. After the last pair of Nikes I bought, they were on my "never again" list.
6224
6225 Adidas, too, is on the never again list: I broke my rule, bought another pair of Adidas, and they're unwearable…
6226
6227 …didn't keep the box, so couldn't return them…
6228
6229 …they now gather dust on a shelf, and/or get worn to do push-ups indoors.
6230
6231 There is no way tax + duty on clothing (at the U.S. border) would legit add 30% onto the price…
6232
6233 Damn. Had to cancel the order. I really need both (1) those shoes, and (2) those clothes. I probably don't have a decent alternative.
6234
6235 I've really run out of options for clothing myself in a remotely respectable way.
6236
6237 (1) Need a vacation to Southeast Asia to work with a tailor, and (2) in the meantime…
6238
6239 …I'm gonna have to order BVDs from Amazon, and look like a member of a wu-tang subsidiary from 1997.
6240
6241 Yeah, I'm in Canada. felinebeeline & mloy
6242
6243 Re: "just redefine respectable".  You ever go to a job interview in army surplus?
6244
6245 Sorry: BVD was an inexplicable typo for BDU. http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dapparel&field-keywords=BDU+camo&rh=n%3A8604903011%2Ck%3ABDU+camo
6246
6247 Note the use of the word "subdued": http://www.amazon.ca/Rothco-Subdued-Urban-Digital-Pants/dp/B00QC4YUX6/ref=sr_1_14?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1453595654&sr=1-14&keywords=urban+camo
6248
6249 NONE OF THIS SHIT IS VEGAN. http://www.simons.ca/simons/category/6731/Jackets;jsessionid=x5RpwLYUuVgFwjfOyvyhVg__.com2?/en/
6250
6251 "Luxurious weave in 100% Italian virgin wool"… FUCK YOU!!!
6252
6253 Here, only the shittiest & most over-priced jacket is polyester: http://www.simons.ca/simons/product/6036-3908/Slim+Fit/Knit+houndstooth+jacket++Slim+fit?/en/&catId=6731&colourId=4#guide_tailles_6036_3908
6254
6255 How does the price compare to a fucking BDU?
6256
6257 Here you go! Perfect for job interviews! O00000016a http://www.amazon.ca/ATAirsoft-Outdoor-Camouflage-Military-Paintball/dp/B0183JVS8M/ref=sr_1_7?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1453596021&sr=1-7&keywords=BDU+camo+suit
6258
6259 O00000016a: not joking, do you have experience ordering "Rothco" stuff, and with the relative sizing?
6260
6261 I feel incapable of guessing my size from the chart (inches per inseam, etc.).
6262
6263 Yeah, i was expecting super-baggy.
6264
6265 I'm six-foot-three…
6266
6267 …so I assumed I'd just roll the dice on a large.
6268
6269 Yeah, shit… that's true…
6270
6271 Would look like Public Enemy circa 1991.
6272
6273 .yt public enemy 1991
6274
6275 But if the pants are too short, I'll be pissed off.
6276
6277 Baggy doesn't compensate for a short leg-length in trousers. :-/
6278
6279 Ah, well. Have to roll the dice.
6280
6281 So, like, 30 minutes later, it seems that Large is one size too  large, given that I'm six foot three, and how the inseam ration works out (in inches, etc.).
6282
6283 Gad. That was some effort.
6284
6285 Joining the military would be less effort. Maybe.
6286
6287 Sam, you Canadian, too?
6288
6289 Separate military. Technically, a separate country.
6290
6291 bostonsonoma: Jon Snow reference.
6292
6293 On hilarious search-result when BDU shopping, BTW: http://www.amazon.ca/Mobile-Gundam-Jikujion-shirt-jacket/dp/B00NTSO1Z0/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1453597353&sr=8-12&keywords=BDU+black+jacket O00000016a
6294
6295 .yt nobody beats the biz remix
6296
6297 re: ten minutes = what?
6298
6299 And the movie is the infamous "the room"?
6300
6301 Ag.
6302
6303 Sorry, I would join in to be sociable, but I can't get into it.
6304
6305 Thanks for all the help on BDU shopping this evening, BTW. Buying vegan menswear remains a nightmare (in Canada).
6306
6307 Oh no, now it'
6308
6309 Oh no, now it's officially a thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gIprC10Yf0
6310
6311 Not bragging, but my own video on the message gives a 30 second summary, and then moves on to discuss matters of substance for 8 min or so. For once in my life, I was relatively succinct (as Jake, above, takes 33 min.). Basically, the question is, "Can we talk about matters of substance?" And, yeah, that manages to be controversial. https://l.faceb
6312
6313 ook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DuX7ElJEFytk&h=LAQEuZ0be
6314
6315 For many people, the answer is "No! Solidarity means we can't discuss anything of substance! Because then you would be criticizing meeeeeee…". And then they gradually descend into a vat of acid like an old-fashioned cartoon.
6316
6317 Yeah, wrong link.
6318
6319 https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DuX7ElJEFytk&h=LAQEuZ0be
6320
6321 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX7ElJEFytk
6322
6323 I can't delete the old links, hm?
6324
6325 (The bad links work for me, because they're linking to youtube via facebook… whereas the good link is direct to youtube. Never seen that happen before.)
6326
6327 bunniesandguac: Too many levels of irony, BTW. Are you actually the guy with the philosophy book on his couch who I met last night?
6328
6329 grisher: My goal isn't to capture superman, my goal is to be the most powerful man in Metropolis. Therefore, I've already won.
6330
6331 John Byrne's rendering of Lex Luthor (redefined the character for a generation): http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ndMhsNIci6A/TT9OMpidHpI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/JGSfKBlG7TU/s1600/2011-01-25.3.jpg
6332
6333 I don't know who you're asking about what right now.  On the other hand, I've got Blood-Wiper muted, so the odds are you aren't talking to me. https://nothingbutcomics.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/lois-lane-man-of-steel.jpg
6334
6335 No, I can see his reply: "seral".
6336
6337 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seral_community
6338
6339 John Byrne changed the game just be re-imagining Lois Lane as a "normal" New-Yorker. The quality of pencil-work is still striking today: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e4/a1/63/e4a163dae39db8d4f5b06b579e0a4830.jpg
6340
6341 test12: THERE ARE SHOPS AT THE TRAIN-STATION THAT ARE OPEN ON SUNDAY, IT'S BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS!
6342
6343 justin_timeforcake: I infer, BTW, that you were NOT in the video-conference-call last night (although you had impersonators).
6344
6345 Eh, I can't get autocomplete for zeroes (his name): https://soundcloud.com/vladtv/judge-joe-brown-episode-41
6346
6347 bunniesandguac: I would have fallen for it, but you lacked dedication, hard work and consistency. Living a double life ain't easy. ;-)
6348
6349 grisher: Where I come from, having a beard is not such a big deal. Admittedly, in Laos, Cambodia, etc., having a beard is a big deal.
6350
6351 Yeah, it's just unbelievable that I actually sit at THE SAME DESK in front of THAT SAME POSTER. ;-)
6352
6353 Why the hell is vucket posting youtube links?
6354
6355 Vucket, stop that.
6356
6357 Curren$sy, still recording new music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6sD8t6a83s
6358
6359 Yeah, he never retired.
6360
6361 .yt curren$y lil wayne cash at
6362
6363 Green_Ape1 Curren$y broke away from Lil Wayne and went 100% independent / underground. More recent legal problems have shown this to have been wise, but it was shocking at the time (and Wayne said so, on his mixtapes).
6364
6365 Re: "what do you guys think of these people who INSIST they need meat to "feel healthy"?" It's the enhanced placebo effect. I talked about that in my cocaine video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w14YA2vyHMc
6366
6367 vegan_eggbeaters: there's a change in the turgidity of the blood-vessels (after eating a meat-intensive meal) that does indeed cause a subjectively-perceptible change in feeling.
6368
6369 Yeah, my point is in specifying the _enhanced_ placebo effect that they are feeling _something_ (not nothing)… they're just exaggerating the significance of that feeling.
6370
6371 Re: I agree 110%, re: but perception is subjective...e.g. vasospasm following high-fat dairy consumption is very well documented BUT some people may "feel" vasospasm
6372
6373 I can remember peculiar subjective effects from eating meat, dairy, etc. Some of the negative effects may be perceived as positive. And, bottom line, getting a ton of protein, salt and fat (simultaneously, in a dense form) will cause people to feel "full" (thus "well").
6374
6375 veterinary med = even worse. You deal with pet-owners' psychology.
6376
6377 Yeah, well, I'm assuming you don't want to get involved with ape vivisection. :-/
6378
6379 I assume you just graduated recently, and are looking for your first posting, vegan_eggbeaters ?
6380
6381 One of the major topics of discussion (after you left the chat) was how completely useless bunniesandguac's philosophy diploma was/is, etc.
6382
6383 So, yeah, most people in that room (incl. zeroes) were in the position of lamenting the worthlessness of their uni education.
6384
6385 So, you're in the minority (of a minority).
6386
6387 I already "lived my dream" in many ways, so I don't feel the same way about it. vegan_eggbeaters
6388
6389 Most people have less than one.
6390
6391 Correction, <a-bas-le-ciel> Most people have fewer than one.
6392
6393 Homer: Marge, I want to be a Monorail conductor.
6394
6395 Marge: Oh Homer, no…
6396
6397 Homer: But it’s my life-long dream!
6398
6399 Marge: Your dream was to run on the field during a baseball game, and you did it last year, remember?
6400
6401 Correction: iceroll: "fewer dreams" vs. "less than one dream". Less is correct here.
6402
6403 Correction, <a-bas-le-ciel> Correction: iceroll: "fewer dreams" vs. "less than one dream". I do not get jokes.
6404
6405 Had conversations like that the other night (but with someone who was non-hostile), vegan_eggbeaters. "What's the optimal level of cholesterol? Zero. What's the optimal level of brain-damage (from alcohol, etc.)? Zero."
6406
6407 And one of my professors, last year, has a lifelong disability from eating "normal" quantities of fish, with "normal" quantities of mercury.
6408
6409 What's the optimal level of mercury in your diet? Zero.
6410
6411 justin_timeforcake: dietary cholesterol. Your body (as a vegan) produces its own cholesterol.
6412
6413 Yeah, eating zero cholesterol is optimal. justin_timeforcake
6414
6415 Re: "…things that vegans are experts on."  TBH, I don't even think of it in terms of expertise, but just in terms of doing the best you can. :-/
6416
6417 I assume you know the "plant positive" Youtube channel, vegan_eggbeaters? Unbelievably patient guy in dealing with paleo-diet mythology.
6418
6419 It would be redundant for you, vegan_eggbeaters, but for many people (who believe in paleo diets, etc.) it would be extremely informative: https://www.youtube.com/user/PrimitiveNutrition/videos
6420
6421 So you officially don't hate me no more? vegan_eggbeaters
6422
6423 ;-)
6424
6425 BTW, if you guys want a laugh / distraction, here's the contribution of the day from old man Eames: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gIprC10Yf0
6426
6427 vegan_eggbeaters: could you please (PLEASE) replace Sam Harris, as the fucking public face of both neuroscience and veganism. Holy shit, his book is unbelievably awful.
6428
6429 We talked about it last night (maybe after you left the room). I've got a copy of Harris's "Waking Up" on my desk.
6430
6431 It's Sam Harris's whole philosophy of life. And it is horse-shit. It gives horse-shit a bad name. Hopefully it doesn't inspire me to make yet another video on S.H. https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=sam+harris
6432
6433 Sam is used to it.
6434
6435 No, he became vegan extremely recently, test12 (a few months ago?).
6436
6437 He is, now, a public face for both veganism and neuro-… uh… neuro-opinion-making. :-/
6438
6439 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t59W4mgg2gM
6440
6441 Nah, you guys just happen to talk about the same things I make videos about.
6442
6443 https://youtu.be/ZvHGVp84CAo?t=1m17s
6444
6445 .seen a-bas-le-ciel
6446
6447 http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2682485972
6448
6449 ^ The ususal.  Collapse of fisheries (due to over-fishing) has been one of the leitmotifs in Canadian politics for years beyond counting.
6450
6451 O00000016a: not the greatest mixtape I've heard in my life, but some material on there I'd never heard of before. I'd never heard the name BBO before, not ashamed to admit it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n-dC6jApps
6452
6453 .urban qt
6454
6455 Who actually believes Blood-Wiper is 18?
6456
6457 Re: "thats DOCTOR Harris to you". Did anyone even notice that Vucket had a pre-programmed catty response to the mention of Sam Harris's name? (0_0)
6458
6459 socksy|ded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za4w_jWeZsA
6460
6461 Yeah, and 1000 people have watched it. ;-) socksy|ded
6462
6463 Man, I finished this essay WAY before midnight. ;-)
6464
6465 I just looked up the "depressing" documentary you guys mentioned to me… i.e., the one that John Sakars made himself… about himself. He's really a horrendously bad film-maker.  It's impossible to imagine anyone sitting through it continuously.
6466
6467 I know V.R. CLAIMS he learned nothing in film school… but still…
6468
6469 I think people do learn SOMETHING in film school.
6470
6471 https://youtu.be/XiuY6OqJuo8?t=1m30s
6472
6473 From the old days, before copyright enforcement on Youtube, when people made "original" videos for other peoples' songs… https://youtu.be/UQakz9-kvfI?t=9s O00000016a
6474
6475 Yeah, somehow, reading about the history of the civil war in Siberia reminded me of that link.
6476
6477 benyqpid: I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but re: "I think there are some sort of locker/hold services at yvr?" Yes, there is indeed a service of that kind (pay a fee, check your bags, etc.).
6478
6479 In Vancouver: http://www.edibleflours.ca/Menu.html
6480
6481 I infer that somebody is/are visiting Vancouver.
6482
6483 benyqpid: I'm in Vic City, a relatively short ferry-ride away: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLtwF08wvQ
6484
6485 I don't know which one you were, benyqpid
6486
6487 I just wasted my time looking at that listing of "vegan jobs". :-/
6488
6489 Life of crime. Lex Luthor style.
6490
6491 I assume the point is that Sam has "inherited the mantle" of DrGalactus. https://www.reddit.com/user/drgalactus
6492
6493 This is gold, Sam. It's like self-parody that's simultaneously intentional and unintentionally hilarious. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/n0250722/Screenshot%202016-01-24%2004.09.18.png
6494
6495 Sam, but if you don't buy Soylent in liquid form, is it REALLY the REAL THING?
6496
6497 Sam, do you eat any fresh fruit, or JUST Soylent 1.5?
6498
6499 My actual diet is already depressingly close to an astronaut's regiment: as I live on bananas + a supplement powder.
6500
6501 Vol, what's the worst case scenario? What's the best case scenario?
6502
6503 Vol: It never hurts to say "sup?". Using all of the syllables of "What is up?" might be a step too far.
6504
6505 protip: don't ask for advice on this IRC.
6506
6507 O00000016a: If/when you recover and get a real job, you realize you're going to disappear like DrGalactus, hm?
6508
6509 .seen a-bas-le-ciel
6510
6511 Thank you, Youtube, for this recommended viewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNlq8xF7jHw
6512
6513 tetsuo29: I assume that's just an excuse to try to peer-pressure people into socializing via IRC.
6514
6515 Vegan pants are hard to find. Wish I was joking.
6516
6517 Respectable menswear = haunted by the ghost of wool.  Wool is WAY more of a problem than leather.
6518
6519 Wool is a powerful cultural symbol for quality / respectability, etc. It is very, very hard to find respectable vegan menswear…
6520
6521 …and, IMO, I am too old to really get away with wearing either (1) Adidas tracksuits, or (2) army surplus BDUs. :-/
6522
6523 What I wear to a job interview: http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-legend-of-snow-beach-raekwon.html
6524
6525 That's my (current and ongoing) blog, BTW.
6526
6527 Really edgy and disturbing first person accounts from my private sex-life, benyqpid: http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2015/06/last-of-the-white-elephants.html
6528
6529 benyqpid: I assumed you already knew everything about me. Mostly non-fiction, yes, e.g., https://medium.com/@eiselmazard/latest
6530
6531 SNOW BEACH (seems like a meaningful political statement of some kind, but it ain't): http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zVcl-6E3OLY/VWQLvHzYxNI/AAAAAAAAKN0/pjFBibnT9qg/s1600/snow-beach-20X6.jpg
6532
6533 O00000016a: what happened on X-Files? Is it trying to make any sort of political statement in its current incarnation? (I dunno… against torture, etc.?)
6534
6535 Whereas, in reality, the american military industrial complex now has the thankless task of trying to defang Putin's Russia without escalation into a nuclear  war, etc. etc. :-/
6536
6537 It is depressing to live in an era when the public is indifferent to the most pressing political issues, etc. (whether or not we're talking about veganism).
6538
6539 fear: Freedom House rating for Russia (basic human rights, voting, press-freedom, etc.) = https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2015/russia
6540
6541 For the sake of comparison, the ratings for Turkey = https://freedomhouse.org/country/turkey
6542
6543 Fear, I'm sure you imagine that you have a great deal to teach me. The trouble is, I don't imagine that at all.
6544
6545 To me, the deserts of Arizona are strikingly beautiful.
6546
6547 Still, fear, you're a vegetarian dating a vegan (who continues to be non-vegan), therefore, we despise you, and send wave after wave of bots to express our disapproval.
6548
6549 .fite fear
6550
6551 Really, there's nothing to fear but fear itself.
6552
6553 "Fugging vegetarians… coming over here… stealing all our vegan women…". [Paraphrase of every 2nd-rate TV show from the 1990s… this was really an over-used trope back in the day.]
6554
6555 .fite fear with fear
6556
6557 No no, morchella, we are trying to ADAPT him, to our VOLTAGE. (TM)
6558
6559 I pretend that I'm doing it for ethical reasons, but really I'm just doing it so I can feel superior to Sam Harris.
6560
6561 Yeah, I was just going to add that I'm not the only regular on this IRC of whom it could be said. ;-) (scil., I pretend that I'm doing it for ethical reasons, but really I'm just doing it so I can feel superior to Sam Harris.)
6562
6563 "A Law to Ban the Slaughter of Cattle (in Sri Lanka)." (very short article, like, two paragraphs) http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/63569746187/vegan-mind-tricks-a-law-to-ban-the-slaughter-of
6564
6565 Hey, fear, I've heard of this really popular "theory" called evolution; according to that theory, we developed from primates so that our natural cycle of life was to exist as parasites, breast-feeding on cows from birth until death. Interesting theory, hm? We're, like, half-way between monkeys and single-species vampire bats.
6566
6567 Not mine! justin_timeforcake
6568
6569 I was vegetarian before I became vegan, but my version of "strictly vegetarian" came very close to veganism anyway (e.g., refusing to buy leather), and I was living in places like Cambodia & Yunnan, where dairy was an incidental part of the diet anyway. In principle, I always thought veganism was "correct", even when I didn't know the word "vegan".
6570
6571  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTA_4zDa8r0 fear
6572
6573 Completely off-topic, remember when Lamar Odom was handsome? Cautionary tale, O00000016a http://56.media.tumblr.com/914565ac227f78770b9eb8ad806e9294/tumblr_mse6eiKMki1s0b18to1_1280.png
6574
6575 All-too-real glimpse into the mind of a vegan blogger: http://theresnorevolution.tumblr.com/post/133600961172
6576
6577 benyqpid: what is/are "kits"? (And, yeah, reminder, I also live in B.C. …?)
6578
6579 Fully three people in this room right now are in B.C., hm?
6580
6581 Ah, yeah, Kitsilano.  I know Kitsilano. Another etymology of genocide, sadly.
6582
6583 We have one Japanese place here (run by a legit, elderly Japanese couple) that makes a vegan bento box…
6584
6585 …ONE PROBLEM…
6586
6587 …they use brown rice for sushi rolls (UNFORGIVABLE).
6588
6589 The bento itself is excellent, but a bit weight-loss-inducing (just not a lot of calories in total).
6590
6591 BTW, gaiz, Ali Tabrizi is _en route_ to SF right now.
6592
6593 I assume he'll post youtube videos from there, etc.
6594
6595 O00000016a: Ali Tabrizi = "The Friendly [vegan] Activist" https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFriendlyActivist
6596
6597 benyqpid: I respect your opinion only while knowing that it is FACTUALLY WRONG.
6598
6599 Sushi must be made with glutinous white rice & vinegar (glutinous rice is not the same species as other varieties of rice). 寿司.
6600
6601 https://youtu.be/CWjcp2uiuFg
6602
6603 Gee, they put "official video" in quotation marks, as if they couldn't quite believe it themselves.
6604
6605 mloy: what the hell are you guys doing with your lives? (Not that I assume it's worse than writing essays about the politics of Siberia). I assume it's either (1) video-games, or (2) drug-dealing, with an elaborate The-Wire-esque code involved.
6606
6607 No, no, but all this crap about frame-rates and screen-rez… again, I assume it's either (1) video-games, or (2) drug-dealing, with an elaborate The-Wire-esque code involved.
6608
6609 Gah! An addiction scarcely worse than heroin! The opiate of the masses!
6610
6611 Don't you realize that you could be spending this time WORRYING, and feeling awful about yourselves?
6612
6613 Pfff. Nerds. You've seen the stack of books on my desk, and even I say, "nerds". Fucking Counter-Strike? Try…
6614
6615 .yt fletcher prouty interview
6616
6617 (Obviously a random link, BTW.)
6618
6619 You just need to have a moderately repulsive personality. (Re: "how do you make it so that people can follow you on facebook but not necessarily have to be your friend?")
6620
6621 WenGobou: are you also a victim of this terrible scourge of video-game addiction, that is ravaging our youth and middle-aged bike couriers?
6622
6623 Worrying + self-pitying >>>>>>>> addiction + happiness.
6624
6625 Except that I have absolutely nothing in common with henry rollins. :-/ Neither a boast nor a lament.
6626
6627 If I join the military, I'd still have nothing in common with henry rollins. (Wait… did he ever actually do military service?)
6628
6629 Strange… his whole life is sort of pseudo-militaristic, but he never joined the forces.*
6630
6631 * [We say "forces" here in Canada… I think Americans do not?]
6632
6633 More like MURDER nut Cheerios. Ha? Ha? Am I rite fellows?* *[Overcompensating vegan.]
6634
6635 It's not cheery, it's violence. TM
6636
6637 TBH, I have to live somewhere that (1) I don't despise the culture, and (2) the culture doesn't despise me, to get a religion started.
6638
6639 Here in Victoria… I'm basically a complete stranger / outsider / tourist.
6640
6641 But, otherwise, O00000016a, the honest answer to your question is, "As soon as possible".
6642
6643 If you can pause your opiate addiction, here's a short article I wrote about a REAL cult that re-branded themselves as a vegan animal rights charity (with photos!): http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/post/59907312911/how-a-satanic-cult-became-an-animal-rights-group
6644
6645 But it's real, all too real.  You see, kids, before the internet ruined everything with digital effects, we had something called "real life"… and people would actually, like, dress up, and sit in the same room together… and, yeah, sometimes that led to terrible, terrible things happening, that none of us want to admit that we remember… but at least
6646
6647  it was real life… http://56.media.tumblr.com/8a2592807eca34a6e301aa5264c68f77/tumblr_mseqzrtvr61s0b18to1_1280.jpg
6648
6649 "The black-caped, black-garbed, death-worshiping Process Church of the Final Judgment arrived on the Los Angeles scene in early 1968. They stayed in public view till a few days after Robert Kennedy's assassination in June of '68, after which they dropped from sight in Los Angeles."
6650
6651 There are theories linking them to the death of RFK, as well as Charles Manson, etc.
6652
6653 But some of the "links" really are just that people involved met each-other, had conversations, etc.
6654
6655 Hey, L.A. in 1968… you met some strange people… especially if you were yourself a strange person… running a cape-and-candle cult. :-/
6656
6657 I don't think I've mentioned to you, O00000016a, that I've had various e-mails from people about the ways in which my youtube channel has changed their lives (some big, some small)… one guy recently explained (really sincerely) how he reconsidered what his reasons were for wanting to go to Thailand and join the Freelee cult. It is interesting to he
6658
6659 ar this stuff back…
6660
6661 …but the reality is that Freelee, etc., do not provide any kind of impressive "cult" experience.
6662
6663 You would be, really, spending thousands of dollars just to sit around with someone in a public park in Chiang Mai (as shown on video-tape), and to affirm the not-at-all surprising fact that if you quit your job and ride your bicycle 200 km per day, you'll lose weight.
6664
6665 I don't even think of it as "positive", you're just hearing how this stuff fits into people's lives. Another guy evidently had a real emotional breakdown after watching my videos on Buddhism, etc. It means different things to different people.
6666
6667 benyqpid: To their credit, they're transparent about their finances (if you wanna take the time to listen). They sell diet-books, DVDs, etc.
6668
6669 benyqpid: Matter of perspective. ;-) Plenty of people romanticize "the void" (life of an artist and all that).
6670
6671 Well, I've also had several different people say to me that I've had some kind of shocking effect on them that made them reconsider how they made Youtube videos, and that they now wanted to take a new direction with their own channel/monologues, etc.
6672
6673 But, seriously, my videos are pretty boring.
6674
6675 benyqpid: no, no, I'm here: http://youtube.com/heijinzhengzhi/videos
6676
6677 Well… I had been expecting more public interest (even here on campus) in the stuff on China and Chinese… but there was zero.  And that was a lot more work than spontaneous monologues (about veganism or anything else). https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=Chinese
6678
6679 Anyway, it is what it is: I was just telling you, O00000016a, because you'd shared your own reflections on how you saw/reacted-to the channel last night (and that, also, was interesting for me to hear).
6680
6681 benyqpid: I really like the one with "cocaine" in the title… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w14YA2vyHMc
6682
6683 Man, the level of self-parody in this IRC…
6684
6685 LOL  a-baseless-eel
6686
6687 This IRC is gradually developing into its own genre of fiction… with corresponding fan-fiction… as you've just demonstrated, Vol.
6688
6689 I would just note, actually, before this whole Lex Luthor thing took off, my channel already had an element of self-parody, linking me to a super-villain, etc. https://yt3.ggpht.com/-svpHayt2APQ/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/qit37msCxSs/s100-c-k-no/photo.jpg
6690
6691 Ask Joe Best: it cost him his soul.
6692
6693 .seen bunga
6694
6695 vucket, bunga quotes
6696
6697 O_O
6698
6699 vucket, bunga quotes crying
6700
6701 .seen bunga
6702
6703 Well, a sad end to the story, apparently.
6704
6705 everyone in this IRC is a male, computer-programmer, ex-junkie to me until proven otherwise
6706
6707 Back when I was on Tumblr, 99% of the ppl who interacted with me were female. I think I spoke to ONE heterosexual male and ONE gay male during the whole time I used that website, and everyone else was female.
6708
6709 Currently, I think I'm the only vegan youtuber with a majority-male viewership… but that's skewed by the Buddhists. Some of the Buddhist videos get thousands of views… and I'm guessing that's a testosterone-heavy demographic.
6710
6711 Ali Tabrizi, aforementioned, mentioned at some point that 70% or 80% of his viewers were female (I forget the number)…
6712
6713 …and I wrote to him pointing out that I still had a predominantly male viewership.
6714
6715 Yeah, I just checked: my viewers are currently 70% male.
6716
6717 Nope.
6718
6719 Ali = this guy. https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFriendlyActivist
6720
6721 bdubs: Yeah, but that covers a huge part of the world's map: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IE_expansion.png
6722
6723 .pp lifestyle choices based on advice I heard on youtube
6724
6725 .pp not voting but feeling better informed because of something I heard on youtube
6726
6727 bdubs: what field are you in? I wrote about Max Müller, etc., under a very different heading.
6728
6729 I remember two profs offered me an M.A. in linguistics, and were shocked when I said "no". :-/ Sad scene in many ways, looking back on it. It was sad at the time, too.
6730
6731 Most profs I've known are extremely unhappy with their own lives, and yet are shocked when you tell them that you don't want to follow in their footsteps (don't want to become a prof yourself), etc.
6732
6733 bdubs: just read the first paragraph here, and you'll see how crazy/hilarious it gets: https://medium.com/@eiselmazard/the-opposite-of-buddhism-9-386c78b3cf7c#.5aaofzojs
6734
6735 Surinam brings up a number of memories for me, that I'm now tempted to mention but won't.  Anyway, yes, the languages there are their own strange province of study.
6736
6737 .seen vol
6738
6739 Grisher, what do you use if you want to post a picture here…
6740
6741 …something that exists on your hard-drive, but not on the net, yet?
6742
6743 I guess I could use my own blog…
6744
6745 Posted it to my blog after all: http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2016/01/farm-photo-with-slogan-my-old-steez.html
6746
6747 'sup
6748
6749 In terms of time-zones, this isn't when the channel is normally hopping.
6750
6751 Varies with day-of-the-week and hour-of-the-day. As you'd expect.
6752
6753 You vegan, svenicorn?
6754
6755 And, for obvious reasons, Friday night, Saturday and Sunday.
6756
6757 Yeah, well, clearly you aren't vegan.
6758
6759 This will cheer you right up, svenicorn: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0I8K3k12BuY/VqZUAcjX42I/AAAAAAAAKrY/oOJ-bOHbBic/s1600/pigs-never-seen.png
6760
6761 Other than that, the chat room largely consists of complaints about the intellectual inferiority of Sam Harris… and of a whole list of people who are vegan, and whom the members probably agree with 90% of the time, but nevertheless MUST heap scorn on. That's the best part, actually.
6762
6763 You changed your mind, eh mloy?
6764
6765 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRrc7HXQuzA
6766
6767 You changed your mind about "pp" vs. "mm" Sam Harris. ;-)
6768
6769 .mm sam harris
6770
6771 .mm elon musk
6772
6773 What's the book about, iceroll
6774
6775 Typical IRC boasting.
6776
6777 Apparently Vucket is programmed to say "Wu God" every time someone mentions my name?
6778
6779 a-bas-le-ciel
6780
6781 :-/
6782
6783 https://youtu.be/jZtyN1iNTRE?t=33s
6784
6785 Oh, man… the saga continues… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzH-x0n7xU O00000016a
6786
6787 O00000016a: (1) switch to OkCupid, (2) set your location to Tel Aviv, (3) search for Jewish vegan qts who are looking to migrate to Canada.
6788
6789 O00000016a: Ironically, this is advice I would NEVER FOLLOW MYSELF. Still excellent advice, tho. :-/
6790
6791 bostonsonoma: PRESENT COMPANY EXCLUDED.
6792
6793 REAL TALK: not-drinking-alcohol is much more of an obstacle to dating (in the western world) than being vegan. DISCUSS.
6794
6795 Why the hell did straight-edge ever ban sex, as something equivalent to a drug?
6796
6797 .seen fear
6798
6799 sup
6800
6801 I'm learning more about the politics of Fiji and Tonga than I ever imagined I would. :-/
6802
6803 And now, suddenly, nobody cares in the least what Harper has to say about anything. :-/ The illusion that these people have respected views or opinions is paper-thin.
6804
6805 vegan_eggbeaters: No, he isn't Jewish, he's a Christian who is ultra-zionist, and therefore a bit of a Jewish-wannabe.
6806
6807 Believe it or not, he's not the only example of this in Canadian politics.
6808
6809 Hey, remember when people cared about what G.W. Bush's twin daughters were doing?  That was a LONG time ago.
6810
6811 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-vows-loyalty-to-israel-in-speech-to-knesset-1.2503393
6812
6813 Jenna Bush is old enough to run for president herself at this point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Bush_Hager
6814
6815 .urban daxes
6816
6817 I rolled out the most depressing meme going this morning: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0I8K3k12BuY/VqZUAcjX42I/AAAAAAAAKrY/oOJ-bOHbBic/s1600/pigs-never-seen.png
6818
6819 .urban dank
6820
6821 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK2DRvjBLs4
6822
6823 .mm vol
6824
6825 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuVjYoZHP4M
6826
6827 And now, after that performance, the conversation is dead, and the IRC looms silent. :-/
6828
6829 mx_missile_proof: What country is it made in, i.e., Miyoko's?
6830
6831 "Inclusiveness" presumes that there are people for you to include… i.e., people who are currently being excluded.
6832
6833 There is fragmentation and isolation within veganism, but politics and religion are the primary issues, etc.
6834
6835 O00000016a: It also presumes you've got something worthwhile going on that you can invite others to join. For some of the religious groups, that may be true, e.g., S.M.C.H. has their own chain of restaurants, their meditation groups, etc., so --theoretically-- there could be someone feeling excluded from that who wants to be let inside. But… uh… I 
6836
6837 don't think ANYONE feels excluded from DxE, to use an example that is significant in its way.
6838
6839 Who would you rather read a book authored by: Priya or Sam Harris? https://youtu.be/Q95_ZYK8Uu4?t=29s
6840
6841 fear: I assume you've seen my youtube channel? https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos
6842
6843 "Why would you assume so?" Because you're asking how old I am.
6844
6845 Yeah, well, fear, you can learn a lot more from clicking around my youtube channel. Knock yourself out.
6846
6847 fear: You're seriously interested in discussing Russian politics with me?
6848
6849 That was the context for the quote you just dug up.
6850
6851 So: if you want to know more about me (such as my age, appearance, etc.) go ahead and have a look at my youtube channel. I was polite enough in giving you the link. Otherwise: fuck off. No, I don't think you have anything to teach me about the political history of Russia. I doubt that's a crushing blow to your ego, because I doubt you have any real
6852
6853  interest in Russia or emotional attachment to the issue. That's about it, man. Take it or leave it. @ fear
6854
6855 Fear, I'm not angry at you. Simply, you asked how old I was, so I asked if you'd seen my youtube channel. I can't imagine why you'd want to know if you hadn't seen my youtube channel. However, if you want to know more about me, as stated, click away. Yes, I think your comments on Russia (yesterday) indicate that you're a horse's ass. That's okay. P
6856
6857 eople are more than the sum of all their political opinions, and just one political opinion (stated in isolation) really isn't that big a deal. However, yes, I am studying Russia in a university program now, and the bloodshed of Putin's current policy (e.g., in the Ukraine, but not only the Ukraine), is indeed (simply put) "a big deal".
6858
6859 Detailed reporting from the Russian-Ukraine borderlands (formal lecture from a guy who had just returned from extensive field-research, etc.) https://youtu.be/8WA1rP5WGfY?t=23m18s
6860
6861 No, fear, that was not all that you said. Yes, you made an ass of yourself. No, it really isn't a big deal. As stated: I'm not angry at you.
6862
6863 Fear: you're really a glass-is-half-empty kind of guy, hm?
6864
6865 As I said before: No, I don't think you have anything to teach me about the political history of Russia. I doubt that's a crushing blow to your ego, because I doubt you have any real interest in Russia or emotional attachment to the issue. That's about it, man. Take it or leave it. @ fear
6866
6867 Really, the purpose of what I had to say was neither to start a fight, nor pick a fight. The glass is half full: "People are more than the sum of all their political opinions, and just one political opinion (stated in isolation) really isn't that big a deal. However, yes, I am studying Russia in a university program now, and the bloodshed of Putin'
6868
6869 s current policy (e.g., in the Ukraine, but not only the Ukraine), is indeed (simply put) "a big deal"."
6870
6871 http://www.thepotomacfoundation.org/why-russia-spent-2015-half-assing-it-in-ukraine/
6872
6873 vegan_eggbeaters: But has she seen "From Farm to Fridge" yet? ;-)
6874
6875 O00000016a: The show is aired on successive nights of the same week?
6876
6877 O00000016a: BTW, I don't remember your answer, re: ASOIAF?
6878
6879 O00000016a: true confessions, how many bikes do you own?
6880
6881 I'm saying minimum = 3/
6882
6883 O00000016a: "complete or frames"… YOU'RE AVOIDING THE QUESTION!
6884
6885 Damn… 20 frames + 7 bikes rolling stock? WTF.
6886
6887 O00000016a: how tall are you? Do you have trouble finding good frames because you're extremely tall or short?
6888
6889 Man, there's no reason to own all that steel.
6890
6891 Yeah, but if you need to pack up and move, what happens to your bikes?
6892
6893 Property = chains that hold you in one place. Esp. property of this kind.
6894
6895 It would be hell selling that kind of stuff. You'd feel emotionally attached to it, try to put it on ebay one at a time, etc.
6896
6897 Selling a bike = harder than selling a dog.
6898
6899 O00000016a: one of my bikes is in a warehouse in Thailand, where I'll never see it again, and one parted ways with me in Jinghong, China. :-/ I'll probably never ride a bike again, period.
6900
6901 If I were to buy a bike again, I'd be intentionally getting something cheap enough that I could part ways without it being a big deal. Some one-speed shit that doesn't require maintenance.
6902
6903 And aluminum.
6904
6905 One speed: http://www.rbinc-sports.com/catalog/bikes/jamis-bikes/road/2015-road-fixie
6906
6907 Under $1000 (barely).
6908
6909 If you aren't on steroids, you don't need more.
6910
6911 I think NOT looking like a hipster is part of my struggle in life…
6912
6913 …thus the agonizing over ordering clothes the other day (thanks for the BDU advice, BTW).
6914
6915 But Trek will never be cool because it's Trek. :-/ Nor will it ever be intentionally-uncool because it's Trek. Lose-lose situation.
6916
6917 And, you realize, O00000016a, that if you live in Taiwan, all of this bike stuff costs 30% of the price you pay over here, etc. etc.
6918
6919 Even the Italian brands now manufacture in Taiwan.
6920
6921 Gad, what a relapse. I can't believe I'm even talking about bicycles. Out with you, ghost of long-distance-cycling-past.
6922
6923 Horizontal seat. (0_o) Are you secretly female, vegan_eggbeaters?
6924
6925 Greg Curnoe. Live by the bike, die by the bike. :-/ Met his wife, daughter, etc., back in the day. He lived in an abandoned church, converted to be his studio. Although his life would not have been my dream, it was somebody's dream. And he died under the wheels of a truck. Yeah, I remember him having a ton of bikes hanging on racks, too. No idea wh
6926
6927 ere his money came from, come to think of it (inheritance?).
6928
6929 I have fond memories of portuguese bakeries, vegan_eggbeaters, but they were 100% roast-chicken oriented where I came from. :-/
6930
6931 Yeah, but cf. portuguese potato bread. I can't be the only one who knows that.
6932
6933 Obviously, I should have learned Portuguese instead of studying Asian languages. :-/ SIGH. Then I could enjoy 25% unemployment and third-world conditions at first-world prices.
6934
6935 No matter how many times I provide a similar pronunciation guide, Cheetah still can't pronounce the name of my channel. ;-) He tries a few times in his latest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFzH-x0n7xU
6936
6937 Man, there is no portuguese cornbread in my future… not unless I stop over at Macao. :-(
6938
6939 vegan_eggbeaters: I used to live in Catalonia, and various web-pages of mine reflect brief attempts to study the language.
6940
6941 Catalonia, also: 25% unemployment, etc. etc.
6942
6943 http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/search?q=Catalan
6944
6945 http://portuguesebreads.blogspot.ca/2013/05/bolo-do-caco-recipe.html
6946
6947 O00000016a did you actually watch your favorite TV show, or did your attachment to this IRC ruin it for you?
6948
6949 bunniesandguac: have you considered switching to Reform Judaism? They have their own university, etc.
6950
6951 Here in Canada, tuition is cheap, but scholarships are also cheap.  It's a lower risk game, but with less to win, also. bunniesandguac
6952
6953 http://huc.edu/academics/become-scholar
6954
6955 bunniesandguac: Man, my heart breaks for you… you're in a trap I know all-too-well. There are tuition-free options in Europe (for grad school), if you can find the energy to get fluent in German, and if you really want to push on to grad school in philosophy, etc. etc. (at low-cost or zero-cost).
6956
6957 .yt hoodie season droog
6958
6959 No, no, this is what I was looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kB2AVYa1JA
6960
6961 ^ I already hyped this guy to you, BTW, O00000016a
6962
6963 That one track is, IMO, suitable for all-time-great lists. Don't know how many tracks of that quality he can produce, tho.
6964
6965 "You that kid who used to play barefoot in the McDonalds ball pit."
6966
6967 'Sup gogo.
6968
6969 GogoGilligan: just listening to Young Droog, getting work done for Uni, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIkHuC4qDI4
6970
6971 You noticed? ;-)
6972
6973 Don't know if I can actually provide advice that would help you get a higher grade…
6974
6975 …are you going to post it to a blog or equivalent? GogoGilligan
6976
6977 Yeah, these guys like to switch to live-chat systems…
6978
6979 …just so they can sit there and stare at each-other in silence.
6980
6981 It's cute and revolting at the same time.
6982
6983 Last time, you guys derailed my push-up routine, because of your long silences that I felt morally obliged to interrupt with witty banter.
6984
6985 Humblebrag.
6986
6987 No, wait: that was just regular brag.
6988
6989 http://utox.org/
6990
6991 GogoGilligan: Truth is that life hasn't really given me the luxury of focussing on anything. This semester I'm learning more about Togo and Fiji than I'd ever planned to, etc.
6992
6993 But yeah, cool: I'll take a look at the essay (as linked to).
6994
6995 Well, look, GogoGilligan, this essay is more intelligent than anything Breeze Harper has ever said or written. :-/ That's not much of a compliment, but hey: you got it.
6996
6997 The advice the essay offers, GogoGilligan, is not "actionable" (i.e., it isn't something that can be put into practice), but academic essays rarely offer actionable advice, so that's okay.  I think your main strength here is that you didn't phrase the matter in terms of inclusion-vs-exclusion… so, basically, the essay provides a survey of some of t
6998
6999 he thematic concerns, etc., and that's okay.
7000
7001 Ultimately, the two "intersections" you propose prioritizing here, GogoGilligan, would have to be subject to the same pragmatic scrutiny as the "single-axis approach to animal rights" that appears as the default on page one. Either an approach gets results, or it doesn't; or it gets a mix of good and bad results. You mention Dick Gregory as an exam
7002
7003 ple; yes, he's an interesting example, but, looking back on him (historically), is that an example you'd want to repeat? Is that a model for activism (or anything else) here and now? You can ask the same questions, perhaps more provocatively, about Jainism and vegan movements within Hinduism, too. So, yeah, questions that begin theoretically end pr
7004
7005 agmatically.
7006
7007 justin_timeforcake: the paperwork isn't as difficult as you might imagine.
7008
7009 You guys realize you just wasted an hour "replacing" Skype… instead of just using Skype. No offense.
7010
7011 Hey, Skype ensures that both the C.I.A. and Israeli intelligence have a back-up copy of all of my private communications. That's one feature I really appreciate.
7012
7013 .ping
7014
7015 .ping drgalactus
7016
7017 https://youtu.be/rK9CbBkGK9Q?t=1m24s
7018
7019 But not the rapper known as freeway.
7020
7021 .pp the actual freeway, not the other one.
7022
7023 O00000016a: yeah, but there's yet-another rapper known as "Freeway". He took that name prior to R.R., as I recall.
7024
7025 27 days is not all that long a time.
7026
7027 .g gini coefficient japan chart
7028
7029 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7fCQlUhj0
7030
7031 ^ My highly refined, intellectual contribution to the discussion.
7032
7033 No, I assume Nardwuar has made a tribute video. Possibly Snoop Dogg, too, hm? O00000016a
7034
7035 Re: "heart attack or stroke or something". I blame carnism.
7036
7037 You have to admit, O00000016a, Nar didn't look healthy at the best of times. :-/ That Canadian diet.
7038
7039 For the majority of people, the first symptom of heart failure is their last symptom, i.e., they're seemingly healthy until they're dead.
7040
7041 I knew a white guy in Thailand who was pretty much dying in front of my eyes, but who was genuinely thin (thinner than Nar). He ate meat three meals per day. When he collapsed, the doctors didn't want to operate because they thought it would just kill him. His circulatory system had basically stopped circulating. A million stories like that every d
7042
7043 ay.
7044
7045 Plenty of operations can kill you. Cutting through your chest to get access to your heart, etc., is a surgery that can kill you.
7046
7047 Could be that the surgeons were incompetent, but I doubt it. Those downtown hospitals in Bangkok handle clients from all over the world, etc. They probably just didn't feel like killing a patient that day. :-/
7048
7049 .g reverse plaza accord
7050
7051 .g "reverse plaza accord"
7052
7053 Ah… the indefatigable Mises Institute has a separate article on it: http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Reverse_Plaza_Accord
7054
7055 O00000016a: youtube videos, also, now count as "a drug"?
7056
7057 Ah… I still have this link open. 14 seconds of pure joy: https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0
7058
7059 What was the verdict on qtox, bunniesandguac? Bright future of internet telephony?
7060
7061 Sometimes open-source projects take over the world, but sometimes they just fizzle out…
7062
7063 …you'll note that Youtube itself is not open-source, and has never been threatened by an open-source competitor, etc. etc.
7064
7065 I remember there was supposed to be an open-source replacement for Facebook YEARS ago… and I kept checking in on its progress once in a while… it, also, advertised superior privacy, security, etc. …but it just fizzled out.
7066
7067 That profit motive, man. Spice of life. :-/
7068
7069 Oh, yeah, right and the open-source "Couchsurfing" alternative, actually a non-profit (unlike Couchsurfing's phony ass)… a complete flop: https://www.bewelcome.org/
7070
7071 That's the one, grisher… started in 2010… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_%28software%29
7072
7073 It still hasn't reached version 1.0. And they're reinventing already-obsolete technology. To me, that's a joke.
7074
7075 "After the project raised over $200,000 in crowdfunding via the Kickstarter website by June 1, 2010…". Imagine how you'd feel if you'd actually paid for that vaporware?
7076
7077 grisher: Last night, everyone aside from myself was optimistic as hell about tox, and laughing at me for suggesting that they'd end up reverting to Skype after an hour…
7078
7079 …and, hey, complain about Skype all you want: it works, and it works for millions of people.
7080
7081 dr_analog: Yes, by coincidence, I have it right here…
7082
7083 http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf dr_analog
7084
7085 dr_analog: you may also enjoy the short video on this topic posted on my own channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR0l05GsA1U
7086
7087 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6jfrrwR10k
7088
7089 elyukayee: What field are you in, that you would be considering a career in humanitarian work?
7090
7091 elyukayee: if you're not (1) born rich, or (2) have some specific skill (such as dentistry), then it's hard to argue for a job in humanitarian assistance. Plenty of cynical remarks on my experience in the humanitarian field on my Youtube channel, and on my blog. http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/No-Nostalgia-for-Laos.html
7092
7093 First few minutes of this interview entirely about becoming vegan: https://soundcloud.com/taxseason/the-russell-simmons-episode O00000016a
7094
7095 You still blocking me, fear old chap?
7096
7097 Just got back from a smashing lecture on Russian politics.
7098
7099 Really, so many of the disasters in Russian politics over a period of roughly a century have their roots in the failure to actually allow the winners of the 1917 elections to form the government.  It was just a fundamental absurdity that Lenin wanted to pretend that he'd won (when he'd lost)… and civil war (etc.) was an inevitable result. https://e
7100
7101 n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election,_1917
7102
7103 fear. re: "I wish army had a vegan option for shit". They do. There's a lot of information about that on the web; different for each nation's army, obv. You thinking about joining the forces?
7104
7105 Kind of a 3rd rate reason to join the army.
7106
7107 vegan_eggbeaters: This is weight-gain advice from a medical doctor? (O_o)
7108
7109 https://youtu.be/_rTIxcWAt_k?t=2m35s bunniesandguac
7110
7111 Unfortunately, the only aspect of 21st century Christianity I can really enjoy is the aspect devoted to the critique/excoriation of what's wrong with Christianity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdKI1wj-JpI
7112
7113 Still… bunniesandguac… you guys get all the decent music. :-/ If I start posting Buddhist rap music here, my contributions will be brief.
7114
7115 vucket, am I fat <reply> It's what's on the inside that counts.  Like, Kale. After you eat it.
7116
7117 I thought mx was a pseudonym for eggbeaters.
7118
7119 vucket, a-bas-le-ciel <reply> No no, it's pronounced like "sea-el".
7120
7121 a-bas-le-ciel
7122
7123 So I'm stuck with this shout out to the Wu Tang every time my name gets mentioned. Could be worse.
7124
7125 I never met bunga qua bunga. I have no idea why any of you guys play this game with false names, false identities, etc. My whole web-presence uses my real name, real life, etc.
7126
7127 https://youtu.be/zZq2cUud5Oo?t=1m33s
7128
7129 mloy: My real, legal name is stamped on pretty much everything I do (or linked to it somehow), and I don't wear makeup in my videos. :P