· 6 years ago · Dec 16, 2019, 12:42 AM
1insane ship boot up?
2vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
3took ~15 minutes
4
5if the urbit is on a droplet, does is it's boot speed dependent on my physical computer's specs or the droplet? or did an error occurr in boot process? not complaining just genuinely curious::
6also- ames loaded the conversations all extremely quickly, it was before and after that giant conversation chunk in the middle where the speed dropped
7
8~
9urbit 0.10.0
10boot: home is /home/warren/norbet-sommud
11loom: mapped 2048MB
12lite: arvo formula 7c50e147
13lite: core 6c9faaf4
14lite: final state 6c9faaf4
15loom: mapped 2048MB
16boot: protected loom
17live: loaded: MB/153.468.928
18boot: installed 262 jets
19work: play 73437
20[%canceling-nonexistant-channel [i=//http-server/0vo.9g081/61/1 t=~]]
21[%canceling-nonexistant-channel [i=//http-server/0vo.9g081/47/1 t=~]]
22[%canceling-nonexistant-channel [i=//http-server/0vo.9g081/2/3 t=~]]
23[%canceling-nonexistant-channel [i=//http-server/0vo.9g081/34/4 t=~]]
24[%canceling-nonexistant-channel [i=//http-server/0vo.9g081/45/3 t=~]]
25[%canceling-nonexistant-channel [i=//http-server/0vo.9g081/7/1 t=~]]
26[%canceling-nonexistant-channel [i=//http-server/0vo.9g081/56/3 t=~]]
27[%canceling-nonexistant-channel [i=//http-server/0vo.9g081/39/2 t=~]]
28http: live (insecure, public) on 8080
29http: live (insecure, loopback) on 12321
30ames: czar zod.urbit.org: ip .34.83.15.224
31ames: czar dev.urbit.org: ip .35.227.173.38
32~tocteb-ladtus@ basically didn't realize i was running a very old ~22.00.45
33 version of urbit. then had to delete some comets.
34 didn't work. had to delete all of urbit. redownload
35 planet keyfile. ran some commands. finally joined this
36 chat. (obviously i'm not technical, and for a full
37 recap check out the Urbit.live Telegram chat)
38--------[4.410]
39~magmyr-darlex@ Happy to help, my man. Welcome to the show ~22.01.00
40~ravmel-ropdyl@ glad you made it ~22.01.24
41~wannex-wittec@ test ~22.05.46
42~tocteb-ladtus@ is there a directory of chat groups somewhere? ~22.06.13
43[%mailbox-kick i=%~.mailbox t=[i=~.~dopzod t=/urbit-help]]
44%chat-hook-resubscribe
45~tocteb-ladtus@ don't want to meme too hard in Urbit-help ~22.07.47
46--------[4.415]
47~palfun-foslup@ there's ~paldev/nopub for general off-topic ~22.08.10
48~palfun-foslup@ you can also run the following to subscribe to the ~22.08.22
49 "public things" notebook:
50~palfun-foslup@ :publish|subscribe ~wicdev-wisryt %bulletin-board ~22.08.23
51~somlus-savlev@ cool tocteb, good job on the persistence ~22.19.27
52~dalpun-motwer@ thanks ~palfun. I ran that in dojo and received ~22.45.52
53 message that ~wicdev-wisryt is ok. How would one view
54 the public things notebook or I will receive future
55 updates automatically?
56--------[4.420]
57~dalpun-motwer@ nvm I see the notebooks is now updated ~22.48.36
58~fabled-faster@ yep, one you are connected ~22.56.11
59~fabled-faster@ Updates Just Happen ~22.56.15
60~fabled-faster@ once* ~22.56.22
61~fabled-faster@ waddap ~22.59.23
62--------[4.425]
63~wannex-wittec@ :join ~paldev/nopub ~23.01.02
64~wannex-wittec@ whoops ~23.02.59
65~wannex-wittec@ % ~23.03.13
66~dalpun-motwer@ What is the command to join a chat, and do you do it ~23.09.00
67 from the chat-cli or dojo?
68~dalpun-motwer@ I wanted to join that chat as well ~wannex ~23.10.40
69--------[4.430]
70~palfun-foslup@ from chat-cli, you can do ;join ~host/chatname ~23.11.14
71~dalpun-motwer@ thank you ~23.16.03
72~ronreg-ribdev@ hello ~dalpun-motwer ~23.36.19
73~sicbud-hathes@ hello urbit chant ~23.50.45
74~bannum-magtus@ how we doing this afternoon buds ~23.54.53
75--------[4.435]
76~bannum-magtus@ ~SICBUD!!!! ~23.55.02
77~sicbud-hathes@ hello i returned from hell ~23.55.30
78~palfun-foslup@ it's the bois! ~23.55.47
79~sicbud-hathes@ i kinda forgot this existed for a while because i got ~23.55.57
80 distracted with irl stuff but now im here again i
81 guess
82~sicbud-hathes@ hell yeah ~23.56.00
83--------[4.440]
84~bannum-magtus@ yeah ive been super busy too ~23.56.14
85~bannum-magtus@ hiking around the island in january with my gf ~23.56.24
86~bannum-magtus@ 10-15 hours of hiking per day for a week ~23.56.31
87~sicbud-hathes@ ooooh nice ~23.56.32
88~sicbud-hathes@ i wish my life was that interesting ~23.56.44
89--------[4.445]
90~bannum-magtus@ lmao its the only thing ive had planned for like two ~23.56.55
91 years
92~sicbud-hathes@ most interesting thing i did recently was take a photo ~23.57.02
93 and see in person the bong hits 4 jesus banner
94~sicbud-hathes@ the one that caused that supreme court case years back ~23.57.27
95~bannum-magtus@ id hit a bong for jesus ~23.57.31
96~sicbud-hathes@ honestly yeah ~23.57.36
97--------[4.450]
98~sicbud-hathes@ ooooh my dracula poll ended ~23.57.42
99~bannum-magtus@ my home town had a scandal where the univeristy ~23.57.58
100 proctor broke into a house to steal their bongs
101~sicbud-hathes@ a miserable little pile of secrets won ~23.58.02
102~bannum-magtus@ the university had to buy them new bongs ~23.58.04
103~sicbud-hathes@ as expected ~23.58.05
104--------[4.455]
105~sicbud-hathes@ nice ~23.58.08
106~sicbud-hathes@ bong hits 4 university ~23.58.17
107~sicbud-hathes@ the museum that has the bong hits banner is closing ~23.58.39
108 actually
109~sicbud-hathes@ so its fate is unknown after the end of this year ~23.58.49
110~bannum-magtus@ surely buy it in auction ~23.58.51
111--------[4.460]
112~sicbud-hathes@ i will be the one who will buy it ~23.58.59
113~sicbud-hathes@ i will proudly display it for all to see ~23.59.09
114~palfun-foslup@ good god i can already not keep up anymore ~23.59.22
115~palfun-foslup@ (^: ~23.59.25
116~sicbud-hathes@ although to be real here its probably just gonna end ~23.59.40
117 up thrown into storage
118--------[4.465]
119~bannum-magtus@ probably ~23.59.48
120~bannum-magtus@ palfun i need to be honest with you ~23.59.57
121~bannum-magtus@ i still havent completed 201 ~00.00.01
122~bannum-magtus@ :( ~00.00.04
123~sicbud-hathes@ all you need to know is jesus wants us to hit the bong ~00.00.05
124 one last time
125--------[4.470]
126~sicbud-hathes@ OH SHIT I MISSED HOON SCHOOL ~00.01.34
127~sicbud-hathes@ i signed up for that and then promptly forgot ~00.01.49
128 completely
129~palfun-foslup@ ~bannum, ~sicbud, you don't get to banter-post in u-h ~00.01.53
130 if you haven't done your homework
131~rapfyr-diglyt@ f minus minus ~00.01.53
132~palfun-foslup@ either do the work, or get a room (; ~00.02.02
133--------[4.475]
134~sicbud-hathes@ teacher i missed the entire class so far due to ~00.02.29
135 "illness"
136~bannum-magtus@ ive been busy in ship-starting-support :P ~00.02.36
137~rapfyr-diglyt@ lul ~00.02.37
138~sicbud-hathes@ i demand cli chat and since my moon isnt working im ~00.04.52
139 gonna use a comet instead
140~sicbud-hathes@ woah cool you can pop out chats on landscape i just ~00.05.43
141 found that out
142--------[4.480]
143~wannex-wittec@ i feel like i should've checked the physical location ~00.07.54
144 of my planet's galaxy
145~sicbud-hathes@ what if someone made an android emulator entirely in ~00.09.28
146 hoon and then i could play my favorite game raid
147 shadow legends use my special code for a free epic
148 champion ill see you there
149~bannum-magtus@ woah new landscape is slick ~00.10.00
150~sicbud-hathes@ it even has a dojo ~00.10.17
151~bannum-magtus@ thats crazy ~00.10.24
152--------[4.485]
153~sicbud-hathes@ no word on raid integration though ~00.10.37
154~sicbud-hathes@ or nordvpn support ~00.10.41
155~bannum-magtus@ wheres my uhh web assembly jet ~00.11.11
156~palfun-foslup@ didn't nordvpn get caught keeping hella logs & selling ~00.11.23
157 data or something?
158~bannum-magtus@ something like that ~00.11.37
159--------[4.490]
160~bannum-magtus@ they're CEO is super dodgy I think too? ~00.11.44
161~sicbud-hathes@ someone hacked one of their servers and didnt get ~00.11.48
162 caught for months
163~sicbud-hathes@ presumably stealing tons of data ~00.11.57
164~palfun-foslup@ ah yeah that's the one ~00.12.30
165~haddef-sigwen@ raid integration made me think you wanted like, WoW ~00.12.32
166 classic or something
167--------[4.495]
168~sicbud-hathes@ if a company is in a youtube sponsor you know theyre ~00.12.41
169 dodgy. only the most desperate companies go to youtube
170~bannum-magtus@ ~haddef! ~00.12.46
171~sicbud-hathes@ i need the raid shadow legends guy to narrate my life ~00.13.05
172~palfun-foslup@ if a company invests money in adventising you know ~00.13.10
173 they're not spending money elsewhere
174~haddef-sigwen@ hi guys ~00.13.24
175--------[4.500]
176~sicbud-hathes@ console quality graphics with military grade ~00.13.31
177 encryption
178~sicbud-hathes@ hey ~00.13.33
179~haddef-sigwen@ lots to do in the next two weeks so might be spotty, ~00.13.41
180 which is unfortunate, chat's bumping lately
181~haddef-sigwen@ Urbit is not just a peer-to-peer internet, it's a ~00.13.58
182 particularly long-running IRC community
183~sicbud-hathes@ my planets been segfaulted on a server i forgot to ssh ~00.14.06
184 into for a long time
185--------[4.505]
186~bannum-magtus/ https://stash.p7.co.nz/wiz.png ~00.14.22
187~sicbud-hathes@ we did it boys ~00.14.31
188~palfun-foslup@ wondering what the oldest active community is. are ~00.15.02
189 there communities from 80s internet that still have
190 some of the original members (and haven't succumbed to
191 social cooling)?
192~haddef-sigwen@ what does wizard@letsalllovela.in mean ~00.15.22
193~bannum-magtus@ wizard from the letsalllovela.in instance ~00.15.51
194--------[4.510]
195~haddef-sigwen@ ... i KNOW that ~00.15.58
196~haddef-sigwen@ i mean by what they said ~00.16.02
197~bannum-magtus@ oh, theres been a bunch of talk about urbit on fedi ~00.16.16
198 today, mainly due to sicbud
199~sicbud-hathes@ we be talkin bout urbit on the fedi ~00.16.21
200~sicbud-hathes@ im shitposting about it hardcore ~00.16.26
201--------[4.515]
202~haddef-sigwen@ well I'M on the fedi and i've never heard anyone say ~00.16.38
203 the phrase "urbit"
204~haddef-sigwen@ is it an albany expression? ~00.16.52
205~wannex-wittec@ i talk about urbit on fedi ~00.16.56
206~sicbud-hathes@ i am the fedi ~00.17.10
207~sicbud-hathes@ i dictate what people say ~00.17.16
208--------[4.520]
209~palfun-foslup@ >talking to the feds ~00.17.17
210~bannum-magtus@ ~wannex: whats ur handle? ~00.17.22
211~wannex-wittec@ screw the feds ~00.17.26
212~sicbud-hathes@ a social network for federal agents ~00.17.29
213~wannex-wittec@ ~bannum: mfro ~00.18.03
214--------[4.525]
215~risruc-habteb@ lol. QED. ~00.18.20
216~sicbud-hathes@ im the coolest slickest (underage so no lewds) poster ~00.18.26
217 ever @reitrace@blobturtle.club afaik im one of the
218 youngest instance admins on there
219~haddef-sigwen matilde@social.sunshinegardens.org ~00.19.02
220~wannex-wittec@ lol ~00.19.22
221~wannex-wittec@ i used to be an IRC admin at 13 ~00.19.29
222--------[4.530]
223~sicbud-hathes@ oh god i just got reminded the cats movie exists ~00.19.30
224~bannum-magtus@ tA@welovela.in just sent one ~00.19.42
225~sicbud-hathes@ i started toying with admin stuff at 14 ~00.19.42
226~sicbud-hathes@ really got into it at 15 ~00.19.49
227~haddef-sigwen@ oh ~sicbud is 16 ~00.20.02
228--------[4.535]
229~haddef-sigwen@ you're the zoomer urbit is for ~00.20.03
230~palfun-foslup@ ~sicbud are you a zoomer? ~00.20.06
231~palfun-foslup@ ^ ~00.20.08
232~sicbud-hathes@ im zoomer overlord ~00.20.16
233~sicbud-hathes@ i eat soy and punch walls ~00.20.32
234--------[4.540]
235~haddef-sigwen/_blobturtle.club ~00.20.35
236~haddef-sigwen@ you talk shit about firefox scrolling ~00.20.40
237~haddef-sigwen@ turns out you're just ~palfun-foslup ~00.20.49
238~sicbud-hathes@ lol ~palfuns a zoomer ~00.21.01
239~palfun-foslup@ high quality opinion in that toot ~00.21.09
240--------[4.545]
241~wannex-wittec@ zoomers ~00.21.09
242~sicbud-hathes@ can the official term for anyone who uses urbit be ~00.21.28
243 zoomers now
244~sicbud-hathes@ or at least just for me ~00.21.45
245~palfun-foslup@ martian zoomers ~00.21.46
246~rapfyr-diglyt@ no. ~00.21.48
247--------[4.550]
248~wannex-wittec@ no ~00.21.51
249~sicbud-hathes@ ok ~00.21.55
250~sicbud-hathes@ what about minions ~00.22.25
251~sicbud-hathes@ i mean our names already sound like stuff they say ~00.22.38
252~bannum-magtus@ my people have a word, 'lo xunplinysampre' which is ~00.22.43
253 what you should call someone who uses urbit
254--------[4.555]
255~sicbud-hathes@ that sounds very urbity ~00.22.59
256~palfun-foslup@ ~bannum i can't tell if that's an obscenity ~00.23.08
257~bannum-magtus@ it means "Red Planet Computer sort of Person" ~00.23.15
258~wannex-wittec@ mars baby ~00.23.26
259~palfun-foslup@ sick ~00.23.26
260--------[4.560]
261~sicbud-hathes@ google says that means "what xunplinys always" ~00.23.55
262~bannum-magtus@ google translate doesnt have the language of my people ~00.24.15
263 :(
264~sicbud-hathes@ we must fix this glaring issue ~00.24.27
265~bannum-magtus/ https://regularflolloping.com/posts/lo-makfa/ ~00.24.30
266~litmus-ritten@ Axaxaxas mlö ~00.24.51
267--------[4.565]
268~wannex-wittec@ |hi ~pub ~00.25.25
269~wannex-wittec@ shit ~00.25.28
270~risruc-habteb@ man. I have real life responsibilities, but this shit ~00.25.31
271 posting is too good to miss
272~sicbud-hathes@ hmm ~00.25.41
273~risruc-habteb@ excuse my language. ship toasting. ~00.25.44
274--------[4.570]
275~sicbud-hathes@ pub has been kinda weird recently tbh ~00.25.49
276~wannex-wittec@ its dropping a lot ~00.25.56
277~sicbud-hathes@ yeah ~00.26.00
278~sicbud-hathes@ its my galaxy too ~00.26.03
279~palfun-foslup@ if you can call it shitposting it probably shouldn't ~00.26.49
280 go into u-h (^:
281--------[4.575]
282~sicbud-hathes@ well isthere a dedicated channel for that ~00.27.20
283~haddef-sigwen@ ~paldev/nopub ~00.27.29
284~palfun-foslup@ ^ ~00.27.37
285~wannex-wittec@ is there a way to look at notebooks from the cli? i'm ~00.27.51
286 ssh'
287~wannex-wittec@ d ~00.27.53
288--------[4.580]
289~bannum-magtus@ ~wannex: ssh -L 555:localhost:8080 <ip> ~00.30.15
290~bannum-magtus@ then go to localhost:5555 on the machine you're on ~00.30.25
291~bannum-magtus@ that should be 5555 not 555 ~00.32.11
292~bannum-magtus@ is marnus still having troubles? ~00.33.53
293~bannum-magtus@ dot ~00.34.35
294--------[4.585]
295~napnub-walreg@ hello testing testing ~00.36.22
296~napnub-walreg@ hello? ~00.36.23
297~bannum-magtus@ ayyyy buddy! ~00.36.38
298~dirmex-bicred@ I seem to be up and running? ~00.36.38
299~sicbud-hathes@ i cannot connect to paldev ~00.36.54
300--------[4.590]
301~bannum-magtus@ yo I see you too ~dirmex ~00.37.02
302~sicbud-hathes@ i typed a whole thing about how hl1 broke me and now ~00.37.19
303 it is in limbo
304~bannum-magtus@ ~sicbud this is the wizard himself o7 ~00.37.21
305~wannex-wittec@ ~bannum-magtus, there is an extra layer of difficulty ~00.37.26
306~napnub-walreg@ Oh I'm here hello hi ~00.37.34
307--------[4.595]
308~wannex-wittec@ i am SSH tunneled into an SSH tunnel to the urbit host ~00.37.45
309~bannum-magtus@ oh no ~00.37.58
310~wannex-wittec@ so definitely no way to look at noteboooks on the cli ~00.38.28
311 then
312~wannex-wittec@ well... i could try lynx maybe since X11 forwarding ~00.38.46
313 isn't working
314~sicbud-hathes@ my posts in nopub arent posting ~00.39.03
315--------[4.600]
316~wannex-wittec@ mine too ~00.39.17
317~sicbud-hathes@ im scared ~00.39.20
318~bannum-magtus@ they're not toasty enough :^) ~00.39.22
319~sicbud-hathes@ did they ban ~pub ~00.39.24
320~palfun-foslup@ hmm hang on ~00.39.28
321--------[4.605]
322~sicbud-hathes@ as the name implies ~00.39.31
323~palfun-foslup@ i'll try and see if anything has fallen over ~00.39.35
324~wannex-wittec@ palfun seems to be down ~00.39.49
325~sicbud-hathes@ im expecting an avalanche to happen soon ~00.39.53
326~wannex-wittec@ oh it's paldev not palfun ~00.40.26
327--------[4.610]
328~sicbud-hathes@ i can hi paldev fine but nothing posts ~00.40.33
329~wannex-wittec@ i cannot ping it ~00.40.49
330~palfun-foslup@ works fien, and just came through ~00.41.28
331~palfun-foslup@ idk if my "test?" msg kicked it, or it was a sponsor ~00.41.49
332 thing on your end, or what
333~bannum-magtus@ all just come through for me too ~00.42.04
334--------[4.615]
335~dirmex-bicred@ first message - I seem to be up and running? ~00.46.43
336~bannum-magtus@ hello ~dirmex! ~00.47.45
337~wannex-wittec@ you're here! ~00.48.30
338~dirmex-bicred@ I seem to get a fair few messages about ~ten and ~00.48.37
339 ~panten not responding, to then say "is ok" again.
340 expected?
341~bannum-magtus@ yeah thats pretty normal ~00.49.53
342--------[4.620]
343~bannum-magtus@ alright time to get my notebook back ~00.51.17
344~bannum-magtus@ anyone remember the publish action? ~00.51.34
345~palfun-foslup@ move the files, |commit them, then :publish|serve ~00.52.11
346 %name
347~bannum-magtus@ Chur tu meke ~00.52.20
348~dirmex-bicred@ question: in the web app served on port 80 at ~00.53.38
349 localhost, the passcode referred to - what type of
350 code is that?
351--------[4.625]
352~sicbud-hathes@ now that i booted a comet idk what to do with it ~00.53.40
353~palfun-foslup@ ~dirmex, you get it by running +code in dojo ~00.53.59
354~palfun-foslup@ we're updating the login page to mention that soon ~00.54.15
355~wannex-wittec@ that tripped me up too lol ~00.54.25
356~sicbud-hathes@ i only found it out by reading the docs ~00.54.30
357--------[4.630]
358~sicbud-hathes@ i stumbled around a bunch when i first joined urbit ~00.54.43
359~palfun-foslup@ i'm signing off now. don't burn the place down while ~00.54.43
360 i'm gone (;
361~palfun-foslup@ good night! ~00.54.45
362~wannex-wittec@ gn! ~00.54.55
363~sicbud-hathes@ whatever happened to ~marzod/announements or whatever ~00.54.59
364 it was called anyways
365--------[4.635]
366~bannum-magtus@ ciao dude ~00.55.00
367~sicbud-hathes@ also gn ~00.55.01
368~bannum-magtus@ alright notebook is back, who wants invites ~00.55.12
369~sicbud-hathes@ ok is he gone ~00.55.14
370~sicbud-hathes@ arson time ~00.55.22
371--------[4.640]
372~dirmex-bicred@ ~wannex: great, thanks. I didn't see that in the docs. ~00.55.23
373~sicbud-hathes@ ill take one ~00.55.38
374~wannex-wittec/ https://urbit.org/using/operations/ ~00.55.44
375~wannex-wittec@ this is the more detailed one ~00.55.47
376~sicbud-hathes@ ok im shutting down the comet now ~00.56.11
377--------[4.645]
378~sicbud-hathes@ a total of like 4 messages were sent from it ~00.56.29
379~bannum-magtus@ smh ~sicbud you need to read my post "Impedance ~00.56.53
380 Mismatch"
381~sicbud-hathes@ im bouta ~00.57.17
382~sicbud-hathes@ uh oh ~00.58.09
383~sicbud-hathes@ i feel targeted even though it was 4 months ago ~00.58.33
384--------[4.650]
385~bannum-magtus@ good >:) ~01.00.58
386~bannum-magtus@ now I hope you havent deleted that comet, would be a ~01.01.15
387 shame for you to lose your hoopy frood status
388~sicbud-hathes@ to be fair my comet disposing has decreased ~01.01.22
389 substantially since i go tthis planet
390~sicbud-hathes@ i have not ~01.01.24
391~sicbud-hathes@ it is still on computer ~01.01.32
392--------[4.655]
393~wannex-wittec@ boopy pood ~01.01.40
394~tamlyt-moldex@ howdy once again ~01.03.19
395~tamlyt-moldex@ just breached ~01.03.23
396~sicbud-hathes@ welcome to the future ~01.03.30
397~tamlyt-moldex@ looks like the chat cli is working ~01.03.30
398--------[4.660]
399~sicbud-hathes@ we all drive hover cars and eat soy crisps for ~01.03.47
400 breakfast lunch and dinner
401~bannum-magtus@ howdy comrade ~tamlyt o7 ~01.04.02
402~tamlyt-moldex@ are there any other good chats to join? ~01.13.02
403~sicbud-hathes@ ~paldev/nopub ~01.13.46
404~bannum-magtus@ ~bannum-magtus/lo-xunplinysampre ~01.14.32
405--------[4.665]
406~bannum-magtus@ ~sicbuh/hathes/the-egg ~01.14.40
407~minder-folden@ ~minder-folden/party ~01.14.43
408~bannum-magtus@ ~minder!!!! ~01.14.53
409~sicbud-hathes@ ~sicbud-hathes/the-egg ~01.14.57
410~minder-folden@ ~bannum! Long time no see ~01.15.08
411--------[4.670]
412~sicbud-hathes@ im the zoomer and this is my containment zone ~01.15.11
413~bannum-magtus@ im back! ~01.15.19
414~bannum-magtus@ under the correct name ~01.15.25
415~hoclun-rigsep@ In ~01.15.45
416~hoclun-rigsep@ . ~01.17.37
417--------[4.675]
418~bannum-magtus@ howdy ~hoclun! ~01.18.16
419~tamlyt-moldex@ anybody else here in ~01.26.35
420 urbit-running-on-linux-vm-on-windows gang?
421~tamlyt-moldex@ inb4 gnu/linux ~01.26.51
422~sicbud-hathes@ what if i ran it in wsl2 running in a vm on linux but ~01.27.05
423 its actually on a mac
424~bannum-magtus@ Urbit on NixOS B) ~01.27.34
425--------[4.680]
426~sicbud-hathes@ same tbh ~01.27.43
427~tadtyc-winwet@ yeah I have neighbors ~01.28.14
428~bannum-magtus@ if I may interject for a second, what you're referring ~01.39.41
429 to as Urbit is in fact Arvo/Urbit, or as Ive come to
430 call it, Arvo+Urbit
431~sicbud-hathes@ azimuth/urbit actually check ur facts ~01.39.58
432~bannum-magtus@ GNU/Windows-Subsystems-For-Linux ~01.44.16
433--------[4.685]
434~dalpun-motwer@ Is there a way to set the chat settings in Landscape ~01.45.51
435 to show more history?
436~dalpun-motwer@ I can scroll all the chat history on the CLI but not ~01.46.21
437 in Landscape
438~dalpun-motwer@ I am running Ubuntu via Oracle VM VirtualBox and ~01.47.33
439 Windows otherwise
440~fabled-faster@ Deeper Chat History is a Urbit Premium Feature ~01.48.05
441~bannum-magtus@ its only avaliable for Stars ~01.48.17
442--------[4.690]
443~fabled-faster@ you must subscribe for the low cost of $4.20 USD a ~01.48.22
444 month
445~haddef-sigwen@ only shooting stars break the mold ~01.48.24
446~bannum-magtus@ shooting a star will stop it from working properly as ~01.48.45
447 it breaks the type system
448~fabled-faster@ Urbit Master Chief Edition: Gold ~01.48.55
449~dalpun-motwer@ so I need to subscribe to Urbit+ ~01.49.20
450--------[4.695]
451~fabled-faster@ yes ~01.49.29
452~dalpun-motwer@ Do I get the entire backcatalog and IP tho ~01.49.38
453~bannum-magtus@ Urbi+ ~01.49.39
454~fabled-faster@ that's the idea! ~01.49.49
455~fabled-faster@ (also, for real, I have no idea lol) ~01.49.56
456--------[4.700]
457~fabled-faster@ ( I apologize for the jests) ~01.50.04
458~sicbud-hathes@ urbit pro membership is required to grab dr pavel ~01.50.11
459~fabled-faster@ I for one, can't wait for Cooking Urbit to spring up ~01.53.01
460~sicbud-hathes@ ooooooh that sound samazing ~01.53.18
461~fabled-faster@ anyone know any chefs who value sovereign computing ~01.53.22
462--------[4.705]
463~sicbud-hathes@ we cook cia ~01.53.31
464~bannum-magtus@ ~bannum-magtus/cooking-urbit ~01.53.43
465~fabled-faster@ omfg lol ~01.53.49
466~tamlyt-moldex@ what do the green chat names mean in the chat GUI? ~02.03.19
467~bannum-magtus@ unread messages ~02.03.30
468--------[4.710]
469~sicbud-hathes@ landscape? ~02.03.32
470~bannum-magtus@ or 'unread' ~02.03.34
471~sicbud-hathes@ oh ~02.03.34
472~tamlyt-moldex@ yeah what counts as unread though? there's like ~02.04.05
473 thousands of messages if you go back far enough
474~bannum-magtus@ if you are in a chat and refresh the page it'll ~02.04.30
475 probably count them as read
476--------[4.715]
477~bannum-magtus@ does for me at least ~02.04.33
478~tamlyt-moldex@ oooh ~02.04.54
479~tamlyt-moldex@ there it is ~02.04.59
480~tamlyt-moldex@ wish there were more little apps/widgets in landscape ~02.05.29
481~tamlyt-moldex@ any chance there will ever be community-made landscape ~02.05.45
482 plugins?
483--------[4.720]
484~bannum-magtus@ theres a few in the examples repo ~02.06.07
485~tamlyt-moldex@ I miss igoogle ~02.06.25
486~sicbud-hathes@ all the good google products get discontinued ~02.06.47
487~tamlyt-moldex@ is there a quick command I can use in dojo to tell me ~02.09.24
488 what port urbit is running on?
489~tamlyt-moldex@ Doesn't seem to be 8080, 8081, etc ~02.09.32
490--------[4.725]
491~bannum-magtus@ it'll say on boot or you can do uhhhh ~02.10.13
492~bannum-magtus@ netstat -lntp ~02.10.26
493~bannum-magtus@ on the host system ~02.10.28
494~napnub-walreg@ What's the command to check what the passcode for the ~02.11.12
495 webui is again?
496~tamlyt-moldex@ +code ~02.11.20
497--------[4.730]
498~napnub-walreg@ thank ~02.11.25
499~bannum-magtus@ my wizzy ~02.12.55
500~bannum-magtus@ ~sicbud-hathes/the-egg ~02.13.03
501~napnub-walreg@ <3 ~02.13.03
502~fabled-faster@ ~tamlyt, the idea is to eventually get to the point ~02.13.56
503 where adding new "applications"/functionality to one's
504 urbit is incredibly easy to do
505--------[4.735]
506~fabled-faster@ right now there's no "real"/official framework from ~02.14.20
507 which one does this though
508~risruc-habteb@ rumor has it udon is being extended to be a full UI ~02.15.29
509 toolkit markdown.
510~nachus-hollyn@ Hi folks, just looking for some info on Hoon 101. ~02.16.50
511 After the breach things kinda went dark.
512~bannum-magtus@ howdy ~nachus ~02.17.08
513~bannum-magtus@ what are you after? ~02.17.10
514--------[4.740]
515~nachus-hollyn@ Just the week 4 material and the ability to access the ~02.17.35
516 chat channel
517~tamlyt-moldex@ I tried rebooting urbit and I don't think it printed ~02.17.49
518 the IP
519~nachus-hollyn@ and the notebook ~02.17.50
520~risruc-habteb@ I also have not been able to get in the chat channel ~02.18.00
521~risruc-habteb@ but I am in notebook ~02.18.07
522--------[4.745]
523~tamlyt-moldex@ trying to do the dns thing ~02.18.14
524~risruc-habteb@ and I saved week 4 materials. sec. ~02.18.21
525~bannum-magtus@ ~tamlyt the ip will be the public ip the computer ~02.18.32
526 running urbit is using
527~risruc-habteb/ https://pastebin.com/MKA9Yx3X ~02.18.55
528~nachus-hollyn@ How'd you access the notebook ~risruc? ~02.19.46
529--------[4.750]
530~tamlyt-moldex@ ~bannum I tried using that IP but got the error ~02.19.54
531 message "couldn't access ship on port 80"
532~bannum-magtus@ did you find what port it was running on? ~02.22.31
533~bannum-magtus@ and are you sure its a public ip? ~02.22.35
534~tamlyt-moldex@ I think it actually was port 80, don't know why it ~02.23.06
535 seemed like it wasn't that earlier
536~bannum-magtus@ also make sure you have port 80 allowed through the ~02.23.34
537 firewall
538--------[4.755]
539~tamlyt-moldex@ I just went to one of those "what is my IP websites" ~02.23.53
540 and go the IP from there
541~bannum-magtus@ from your home connection? you may not have a static ~02.25.26
542 ip for your home connection
543~bannum-magtus@ and you'll probably need to port forward port 80 from ~02.25.41
544 your router
545~sorpex-fighut@ what do you think of my mousepad? ~02.26.08
546~sorpex-fighut/ https://i.imgur.com/O04wVEG.png ~02.26.09
547--------[4.760]
548~bannum-magtus@ thats rad ~02.26.14
549~sorpex-fighut@ pretty sick huh ~02.26.16
550~bannum-magtus@ joining the club ~02.26.50
551~bannum-magtus/_welovela.in ~02.26.51
552~tamlyt-moldex@ btw I tried booting again and I don't think it printed ~02.27.21
553 the IP
554--------[4.765]
555~bannum-magtus@ it will print the port not the ip ~02.28.31
556~sorpex-fighut@ nice! I'd love a t-shirt. I had a go at that first but ~02.28.33
557 ran into some issues so went with the easier mousepad
558 haha
559~tamlyt-moldex@ gotcha, that makes sense ~02.28.42
560~tamlyt-moldex@ I tried going to port 80 on my IP and it just brought ~02.29.21
561 me to my router settings so you're probably right
562~wannex-wittec@ you won't get your IP when you boot ~02.30.04
563--------[4.770]
564~wannex-wittec@ go to whatismyip.org for your public IP or you can ~02.30.26
565 login with your LAN ip which shows up in ifconfig or
566 ip link
567~wannex-wittec@ if your port 80 isn't forwarded on your router you ~02.30.52
568 can't use the public IP tho
569~tamlyt-moldex@ ~sorpex where is that pic / text from? I saw it on ~02.36.44
570 twitter earlier but don't know enough nock to make
571 sense of what it means
572~bannum-magtus@ Its the Nock Spec ~02.37.03
573~bannum-magtus/_github.com ~02.37.14
574--------[4.775]
575~migtem_marzod@ Needs a "Hello I'm <planet name>" on the other side ~02.38.00
576~bannum-magtus@ an hour and twenty minutes and I can go home and cook ~02.39.33
577 food
578~migtem_marzod@ What's on the menu ~bannum? ~02.50.35
579~bannum-magtus@ tofu curry ~02.51.33
580~somlus-savlev@ One nice thing with moons is that (so far) the end in ~02.52.10
581 the planet name for the ones I've spawned. However,
582 it seems that right now moons can't communicate so
583 there's that.
584--------[4.780]
585~somlus-savlev@ Theoretically a moon will always represent you for ~02.52.32
586 that reason (I think)
587~sicbud-hathes@ moons actually cant post as themselves ~02.52.56
588~sicbud-hathes@ at least they shouldnt ~02.53.01
589~somlus-savlev@ oh i did not know that. ~02.54.30
590~bannum-magtus@ all moons will end in the planets name that spawned ~02.54.52
591 them
592--------[4.785]
593~bannum-magtus@ and yeah they'll post as their host planet ~02.55.08
594~sicbud-hathes@ like stars ~02.55.10
595~somlus-savlev@ Thanks for clarifying. Better that they post as their ~02.55.54
596 host planet, so that makes it quite easy to use them
597 as dev ships and get help when needed.
598~sicbud-hathes@ im gonna get ready for bed ~03.04.07
599~sicbud-hathes@ good night everyone ~03.04.18
600--------[4.790]
601~bannum-magtus@ do'o la .sikbad. ~03.05.20
602~sorpex-fighut@ .u'i ~03.10.26
603~bannum-magtus@ .i zo'o mi nelci lo nu lo jbopre cu cabna ~03.13.16
604~sorpex-fighut@ (forgets what cabna is) ~03.17.42
605~bannum-magtus@ is present at ~03.17.51
606--------[4.795]
607~bannum-magtus@ my vocab is terrible honestly ~03.18.00
608~ribnys-fonbex@ |hi ~lur ~03.18.53
609~wannex-wittec@ sounds like it could be a terminal issue ~04.06.23
610~wannex-wittec@ some terminals don't take those hotkey events right or ~04.06.42
611 sometimes another program will grab it
612~wannex-wittec@ oh oops wrong channel ~04.06.50
613--------[4.800]
614~tacryt-socryp@ ayyy ~04.32.19
615~risruc-habteb@ i can't get in to chat-cli with control-x ~04.36.15
616~risruc-habteb@ guessing you were responding to me ~wannex. ~04.36.53
617~risruc-habteb@ however, i don't believe that's the problem. ~04.37.56
618~pinhul-radlyr@ Post-breach test. ~04.39.49
619--------[4.805]
620~rabsef-bicrym@ read ~04.39.58
621~risruc-habteb@ have been running this instance for a while with the ~04.40.16
622 same setup (ssh + tmux) without issues.
623~risruc-habteb@ also, other control + hotkeys work ~04.40.38
624~risruc-habteb@ > |start %chat-cli
625
626 >=
627
628 [already running ~04.42.27
629 %home/%chat-cli]
630
631~hastuc-dibtux@ |link %chat-cli ~04.43.49
632--------[4.810]
633~pinhul-radlyr@ = ~04.44.41
634~pinhul-radlyr@ = ~04.44.51
635~risruc-habteb@ thank you! ~05.08.41
636~risruc-habteb@ i thought there was something like that. ^^ ~05.09.02
637~wannex-wittec@ is there a way to multiplex between chat and dojo? ~05.11.35
638 besides a frontend of course
639--------[4.815]
640~risruc-habteb@ no, not yet. ~05.12.08
641~risruc-habteb@ however, ~fabled did tease a screenshot of either a ~05.13.00
642 mockup or WIP last week or so.
643~wannex-wittec@ amazing ~05.13.11
644~risruc-habteb@ it will happen eventually! ~05.13.34
645~wannex-wittec@ no problemo anyways ~05.14.27
646--------[4.820]
647~wannex-wittec@ landscape is nice ~05.14.40
648~risruc-habteb@ i'd like to be able to multiplex chats within chat-cli ~05.14.54
649 any way.
650~risruc-habteb@ my brain does not handle threading conversations by ~05.15.10
651 runes well enough.
652~pinhul-radlyr@ Is there a way to query the backlog for a given chat ~05.15.31
653 from the cli?
654~risruc-habteb@ even just now i got thrown off by your message in ~05.15.33
655 /nopub. ha.
656--------[4.825]
657~wannex-wittec@ i get that ~05.15.33
658~pinhul-radlyr@ E.g. ;backlog 20 ;dopzod/urbit-help for the last 20 ~05.16.12
659 lines of this chat?
660~risruc-habteb@ not that i know of. it seems like the only way to keep ~05.21.08
661 up by chat-cli is to have it always open and scroll
662 back
663~pinhul-radlyr@ Copy, ~risruc, thank you. ~05.26.30
664~master-morzod greets the urbiverse ~06.40.44
665--------[4.830]
666~nidsyp-widsum@ For those having trouble connecting to the hoon-school ~07.06.29
667 chat still; here is something I found that helped
668 me...
669~nidsyp-widsum@ First |hi ~binzod ~07.07.06
670~nidsyp-widsum@ That is the stare of ~bolbex-fogdys ~07.07.35
671~nidsyp-widsum@ *star ~07.07.40
672~nidsyp-widsum@ Then, when after that succeeds. ;leave the hoon-school ~07.08.11
673 chat channel. And the ;join it again.
674--------[4.835]
675~bannum-magtus@ coi ~07.25.47
676~bannum-magtus@ hey hey ~master ~07.46.25
677~master-morzod@ hi ~bannum ~07.46.36
678~bannum-magtus@ hows it going ~07.47.34
679~master-morzod@ relatively quiet evening ~07.48.58
680--------[4.840]
681~master-morzod@ yourself? ~07.49.00
682~bannum-magtus@ same really ~07.51.52
683~migtem_marzod@ . ~07.51.54
684~bannum-magtus@ dreading work, got a week and a half left to go this ~07.52.00
685 year
686~bannum-magtus@ hey hey ~migtem ~07.52.08
687--------[4.845]
688~somlus-savlev@ is the "mailbox" type of chat room discontinued or ~08.31.30
689 just not appearing for some reason?
690~bannum-magtus@ anyone come up with 'ford: %ride failed to compute ~08.32.32
691 type' and 'ford: %slim failed' on every command?
692 trying to help someone from the discord
693~master-morzod@ ~bannum, if it's every command, it's probably an ~08.37.22
694 invalid library or structure file imported into the
695 dojo
696~master-morzod@ you can clear those with /+ or /-, respectively ~08.37.35
697~master-morzod@ or =lib and =sur ~08.37.45
698--------[4.850]
699~bannum-magtus@ cheers ~08.38.13
700~master-morzod@ if you import some file that fails to build, it's a ~08.38.14
701 lazy error on your next dojo expression
702~master-morzod@ which is really irritating, it should be eagerly ~08.38.30
703 checked so it can't get to that state
704~migtem_marzod@ . ~08.43.49
705~palfun-foslup@ gooood morning u-h ~09.45.17
706--------[4.855]
707~nidsyp-widsum@ Good morning! ~09.53.42
708~risruc-habteb@ gm ~10.17.46
709~nidsut-tomdun@ mornin' ~palfun ~10.34.53
710~batbus-finfyn@ What was the reason for the design decision for urbit ~11.36.15
711 to bind to a random UDP port by default instead of a
712 fixed one?
713~batbus-finfyn@ Any advice on how to force the latest OTAs? ~11.38.49
714--------[4.860]
715~hanryc-tirpur@ mornin', al ~12.21.05
716~hanryc-tirpur@ and all lol ~12.21.47
717~nidsut-tomdun@ deploying a quick binary upgrade to tlon's ships ~13.00.08
718~nidsut-tomdun@ . ~13.22.50
719~minder-folden@ Next wave of Mars checking in. ~13.44.50
720--------[4.865]
721~dalpun-motwer@ Morning hoonrats ~14.08.00
722~rabsef-bicrym@ To the person asking last night if you can recall ~14.08.36
723 prior chat without scrolling - I think you can using
724 the section called "Expanding Messages" using ;, ;;
725 and ;3 and so on see here:
726~rabsef-bicrym/_urbit.org ~14.08.54
727~winter-paches@ good morning, urbiverse! ~14.19.31
728~winter-paches@ ~minder: nice. we just need to get back to hosting ~14.20.48
729 those on urbit. hopefully soon.
730--------[4.870]
731~rabsef-bicrym@ When trying to generate an invite from ~14.23.21
732 bridge.urbit.org, even w/o a message, the page hangs.
733 Should I just boot my own instance of bridge again?
734~rabsef-bicrym@ this is in Chrome ~14.23.37
735~dalpun-motwer@ Thanks ~rabsef! That was me. I just read through. If I ~14.23.48
736 understand correctly, that helps manage if a specific
737 message is too long for display
738~rabsef-bicrym@ ~dalpun it also recalls any message so long as you're ~14.24.48
739 selecting that one
740~rabsef-bicrym@ try it with ;; ~14.24.52
741--------[4.875]
742~rabsef-bicrym@ then ;3 ~14.24.55
743~dalpun-motwer@ i.e. if I type out a manifesto, the chat will only ~14.24.58
744 display the first ~100 characters of my ~500 char
745 message. And we can then access the entire message
746 using that syntax. Versus the global setting for chats
747 to scrolls history in Landscape
748~dalpun-motwer@ ;; ;3 ~14.25.16
749~rabsef-bicrym@ well like one per carriage return I meant ~14.25.28
750~dalpun-motwer@ ;; ~14.25.37
751--------[4.880]
752~dalpun-motwer@ ;3 ~14.25.39
753~dalpun-motwer@ I am obviously being an idiot arent i ~14.25.47
754~palfun-foslup@ well it only works in chat-cli ~14.25.50
755~rabsef-bicrym@ is... isn't he in it? ~14.26.00
756~dalpun-motwer@ d'oy ~14.26.00
757--------[4.885]
758~dalpun-motwer@ sorry ~14.26.02
759~rabsef-bicrym@ oh he's in landscape ~14.26.04
760~palfun-foslup@ web chat has no such cool functionality (^: ~14.26.04
761~rabsef-bicrym@ lol ~14.26.06
762~rabsef-bicrym@ Yes and that answer is courtesy of ~palfun anyway so ~14.26.28
763 thank you ~palfun
764--------[4.890]
765~dalpun-motwer@ Interesting in the CLI I see what you mean about ~14.26.56
766 message recall.
767~rabsef-bicrym@ Yah it's pretty sick ~14.27.52
768~dalpun-motwer@ I have both running side by side. I keep the CLI up ~14.28.04
769 because if I can see the chat history but Landscape
770 obv a better UX
771~rabsef-bicrym@ You should try ctrl+r in dojo soon. Another smarter ~14.28.12
772 person told me about that yesterday and it's pretty
773 amazing
774~rabsef-bicrym@ especially w/ the esoteric commands we get into ~14.28.38
775 sometimes
776--------[4.895]
777~dalpun-motwer@ is that basically allowing access to former commands ~14.28.54
778~dalpun-motwer@ i.e. like pressing up arrow in powershell? ~14.29.03
779~rabsef-bicrym@ reverse searches ur dojo history to bring you lines ~14.29.05
780 that - yes
781~rabsef-bicrym@ but search ~14.29.10
782~rabsef-bicrym@ so not up arrow but smart up ~14.29.15
783--------[4.900]
784~dalpun-motwer@ oh wow ~14.29.19
785~dalpun-motwer@ smartarrow ~14.29.23
786~rabsef-bicrym@ smartarrow ~14.29.28
787~dalpun-motwer@ thx for the tip! ~14.30.08
788~rabsef-bicrym@ That's the U-H way! ~14.30.36
789--------[4.905]
790~rabsef-bicrym@ I've gotten so much help in here and on UL's telegram ~14.32.02
791 - it's nice when I can semi help too
792~dalpun-motwer@ Are there any estimates for total claimed/booted ~14.38.27
793 ships? Or proxies for general active Urbit users
794~risruc-habteb@ urbit.live has some stats ~14.39.51
795~risruc-habteb/ https://urbit.live/stats ~14.39.52
796~risruc-habteb@ they show ~5500 planet spawns. however, i think that ~14.40.15
797 may include all those spawned into invite pools.
798--------[4.910]
799~palfun-foslup@ invite pools themselves are unspawned planets, ~14.40.44
800~palfun-foslup@ but tlon does make paper invites sometimes, for which ~14.40.57
801 the planets do need to be spawned
802~dalpun-motwer@ finger in the wind would say then ~25% - ~50% of that ~14.41.51
803 number is semi-active
804~risruc-habteb@ i would say 5-10%, but that's just based on my loose ~14.42.38
805 impression of traffic i see around chat channels.
806~dalpun-motwer@ That makes sense ~14.42.57
807--------[4.915]
808~risruc-habteb@ we could have pockets of thousands of active users who ~14.42.57
809 never leave their private channels and never know!
810~dalpun-motwer@ That's great ~14.44.01
811~dalpun-motwer@ Still quite quite early innings though too which is ~14.44.15
812 exciting in and of itself
813~palfun-foslup@ for every 10% increase in activity in u-h, there might ~14.48.28
814 be a 20% increase in overall activity on the network
815~palfun-foslup@ maybe more! ~14.48.31
816--------[4.920]
817~palfun-foslup@ highly exciting times rn ~14.48.37
818~palfun-foslup@ infrastructure team is feeling the heat of the ~14.49.04
819 increased use/interest, in a good way (:
820~rabsef-bicrym@ imo it's running more smoothly than ever, so everybody ~14.51.25
821 must be bringing the a game
822~winter-paches@ yeah, the network speed is really nice. ~14.52.03
823~dalpun-motwer@ mazel tov ~14.53.43
824--------[4.925]
825~minder-folden@ It's a dramatic difference between today's experience ~14.54.11
826 & several months ago.
827~minder-folden/ https://youtu.be/EGlo9LzmOME ~14.54.36
828~dalpun-motwer@ Who are The Beatles? ~14.58.07
829~dalpun-motwer@ (kidding) ~14.58.18
830~palfun-foslup@ ~minder, is it really a dramatic difference? ~15.00.36
831--------[4.930]
832~palfun-foslup@ i'm in too deep, i can't tell (^: ~15.00.40
833~rabsef-bicrym@ it's extremely dramatic ~15.00.49
834~rabsef-bicrym@ sometimes my chats would take a minute to post, or ~15.01.18
835 have difficulty at all - now I'm shocked if they're
836 not near instant
837~rabsef-bicrym@ a literal minute ~15.01.28
838~palfun-foslup@ historically, that has been pretty common for young ~15.01.48
839 eras/networks. the real test is seeing how long that
840 lasts
841--------[4.935]
842~palfun-foslup@ but considering load, and how actually instant it ~15.02.09
843 still is, i think we're doing quite well indeed
844~winter-paches@ i just got 3 of these jawns: "[%error-results ~15.06.05
845 i=[id='logs by hash' code='-32000' message='unknown
846 block'] t=~]"
847~winter-paches@ feeling a bit nervous. ~15.06.15
848~winter-paches@ oh, and in case anyone at tlon is listening, ~lur is ~15.06.40
849 flapping. ;)
850~rabsef-bicrym@ I got a few of those winter and I'm still here ~15.07.47
851--------[4.940]
852~rabsef-bicrym@ Haven't in a day or so ~15.07.52
853~palfun-foslup@ yeah those results are just the eth node being a bit ~15.08.44
854 grumpy. shouldn't do any damage
855~minder-folden@ ~palfun, it's a huge difference. Of course, I was ~15.10.03
856 breaking my ship left and right somehow. Landscape
857 wouldn't work most days and I was a total n00b at
858 working in my command line.
859~minder-folden@ So the GUI experience is drastically better for me. ~15.10.19
860~biszod-dottem@ . ~15.21.17
861--------[4.945]
862~biszod-dottem@ test dot. ~15.21.20
863~biszod-dottem@ ok!! no wall of text, good stuff :) ~15.21.33
864~biszod-dottem@ good afternoon martian friends ~15.21.38
865~biszod-dottem@ i hope these test messages find you well ~15.21.47
866~rabsef-bicrym@ more dots ~15.22.03
867--------[4.950]
868~biszod-dottem@ indeed! ~15.22.21
869~rabsef-bicrym@ no dragon points for these tho. Is that the right ~15.22.39
870 joke? I think so
871~biszod-dottem@ i'm too stupid to understand that joke, I apologize ~15.23.31
872~sorpex-fighut@ that's a 50 DKP minus! ~15.23.50
873~rabsef-bicrym@ there it is ~15.24.10
874--------[4.955]
875~nidsyp-widsum@ Haha ~15.27.27
876~rabsef-bicrym@ ~biszod, it's an old World of Warcraft video of a guy ~15.32.53
877 with a curious accent yelling a bunch of raid jargon
878 at his less-than-cooperative partners
879~rabsef-bicrym@ Dots = damage over time? ~15.33.06
880~rabsef-bicrym@ something like that ~15.33.11
881~rabsef-bicrym@ if you google 50 dkp minus you'll get it I'm sure ~15.33.42
882--------[4.960]
883~minder-folden@ Oh Leroy. That was one of the first internet memes I ~15.48.56
884 can remember seeing. I about died laughing.
885~biszod-dottem@ ohhh right ~15.49.46
886~biszod-dottem@ :) ~15.49.48
887~rabsef-bicrym@ sorry if this was already answered but must i boot ~16.25.08
888 bridge local to my ship to do invites? i tried thru
889 the hosted bridge but it gets locked up at the send
890 step
891~rabsef-bicrym@ that is to send them - i was granted some by the ~16.25.51
892 lovely ~somlus
893--------[4.965]
894~batbus-finfyn@ I think only stars can give invites, but I could be ~16.34.27
895 wrong.
896~palfun-foslup@ ~rabsef as in, you're trying to send a planet to an ~16.57.09
897 email address, and it's freezing?
898~palfun-foslup@ maybe it's slow. maybe it's a bug. maybe you didn't ~16.57.43
899 click "send" after you clicked "generate"
900~palfun-foslup@ hosted bridge supports everything a locally-running ~16.57.57
901 version would
902~rabsef-bicrym@ correct - I will try it again - I've just rebooted - ~16.58.04
903 might have been my machine
904--------[4.970]
905~palfun-foslup@ also what are you logging in with? ~17.00.03
906~rabsef-bicrym@ mnenmonic ~17.01.00
907~rabsef-bicrym@ metamask specifically - does that answer ~17.01.15
908~palfun-foslup@ ah, there's some known issues with metamask, yeah ~17.01.29
909~palfun-foslup@ i think invites specifically might be broken, because ~17.01.53
910 we can't reasonably do batches of transactions with
911 it?
912--------[4.975]
913~rabsef-bicrym@ i see - I should move this to my trezor anyway but I ~17.02.11
914 work primarily on my windows machine from work where
915 I'm locked out of doing anything
916~palfun-foslup@ it doesn't fit nicely into our flows at all ~17.02.11
917~rabsef-bicrym@ as a result I haven't gotten it up. ~17.02.22
918~palfun-foslup@ you could try logging in with the mnemonic itself, if ~17.02.36
919 you have it
920~rabsef-bicrym@ Oh - that's what I'm doing - like the seed words? Or ~17.03.08
921 do you mean something else by that
922--------[4.980]
923~palfun-foslup@ put the seed words into bridge ~17.03.20
924~rabsef-bicrym@ I copy my puppies apple plan bonk etc yes into that ~17.03.28
925 field
926~palfun-foslup@ ie, don't use the "metamask" thing in bridge ~17.03.29
927~palfun-foslup@ oh idk why you mentioned metamask then (^: ~17.03.47
928~rabsef-bicrym@ I'm sorry - I misled. I'm not using the metamask ~17.03.51
929 thing - I'm just copying the words from metamask
930 settings into that box
931--------[4.985]
932~rabsef-bicrym@ I wasn't sure if it was important to say where it ~17.04.03
933 comes from
934~palfun-foslup@ this should work fine, give it another shot, and lmk ~17.04.03
935 what you see/get
936~palfun-foslup@ nah. words are words (; ~17.04.13
937~palfun-foslup@ ~rabsef found the issue, fix live in a little bit ~17.16.21
938~palfun-foslup@ alright ~rabsef, fix is live. make sure you're loading ~17.22.27
939 version 2.1.1
940--------[4.990]
941~rabsef-bicrym@ ok in 2.1.1 and ctrl+f5 to make sure all freshly ~17.30.06
942 loaded -> Mnenmonic>continue>my planet>invite(x)>send
943 invite via email totally works now
944~rabsef-bicrym@ thank you ~17.30.10
945~rabsef-bicrym@ I did have to ctrl+f5 - first time retrying at 2.1.1 ~17.30.43
946 didn't work - not sure if me or just random
947~rabsef-bicrym@ 1 invite has been successfully sent ~17.31.18
948~rabsef-bicrym@ Friend ~bacdul-timzod reports that he can access my ~18.07.49
949 chat and others, can |hi ~dopzod, has left and
950 rejoined U-H, can read some if not all messages from
951 U-H but /cannot/ post here. Any other troubleshooting
952 steps one should take there?
953--------[4.995]
954~rabsef-bicrym@ It seems unlike the "I can talk to some ships, but ~18.08.13
955 can't talk to my sponsor and some other ships" given
956 that hi works
957~master-morzod@ mornin ~18.11.40
958~littel-wolfur@ o/ ~18.12.47
959~palfun-foslup@ ~zod was down for a bit, might've been that ~18.12.54
960~rabsef-bicrym@ roger ~18.13.35
961--------[5.000]
962~borlyt-salnus@ hey, kind of a newb here, but i'm trying to access ~18.14.46
963 landscape but i just get a blank page after
964 authenticating, is this normal?
965~bacdul-timzod@ |hi ~padnem ~18.15.12
966~littel-wolfur@ sometimes that happens, a refresh usually fixes it for ~18.17.02
967 me
968~littel-wolfur@ what browser are you using? ~18.17.14
969~borlyt-salnus@ brave ~18.18.33
970--------[5.005]
971~borlyt-salnus@ i can try in firefox or chrome ~18.18.39
972~littel-wolfur@ nah brave should work fine, it's what i use ~18.18.50
973~borlyt-salnus@ yay it works on firefox ~18.20.54
974~borlyt-salnus@ i'll try restarting brave ~18.21.00
975~littel-wolfur@ firefox doesn't scroll chat windows though :( ~18.21.10
976--------[5.010]
977~borlyt-salnus@ oh damn ye ~18.21.24
978~borlyt-salnus@ that blows ~18.21.27
979~borlyt-salnus@ oh it works now ~18.22.23
980~borlyt-salnus@ thanks my dudes ~18.22.37
981~borlyt-salnus@ any of y'all know some pulbic chats worth joining? ~18.27.38
982--------[5.015]
983~palfun-foslup@ there's a bunch listed on "the bulletin board" ~18.29.29
984~palfun-foslup@ :publish|subscribe ~wicdev-wisryt %bulletin-board ~18.29.44
985~palfun-foslup@ running that from dojo will subscribe you to it ~18.29.52
986~palfun-foslup@ personal recommendation is ~paldev/nopub for general ~18.30.29
987 off-topic banter. it also has topic-centric channels
988 if you're into those
989~poldec-tonteg@ morning, all ~18.46.21
990--------[5.020]
991~rabsef-bicrym@ morning! ~18.46.35
992~borlyt-salnus@ morning fellas ~18.52.57
993~borlyt-salnus@ how does hoon school work, i signed up for it like 2 ~18.56.01
994 weeks ago and haven't heard anything back yet
995~rapfyr-diglyt@ we're currently running a session, our next session ~18.56.38
996 wont be until the new year
997~borlyt-salnus@ oh ok ~18.57.10
998--------[5.025]
999~rapfyr-diglyt@ ;, ~19.05.34
1000~mastyr-bottec@ d o t ~19.23.40
1001~poldec-tonteg@ doot ~19.29.31
1002~bacdul-timzod@ Where can I find documentation on how to switch star? ~19.32.09
1003 Service on my current one has been abysmal
1004~bannum-magtus appears strangely ~19.46.26
1005--------[5.030]
1006~mastyr-bottec@ urbit live guys can help you in their Telegram ~19.51.37
1007~borlyt-salnus@ anybody have some experience running urbit on ~19.58.22
1008 raspberry pi?
1009~borlyt-salnus@ i tried the linux install but can't run the binary ~19.58.31
1010~borlyt-salnus@ do i need some dependencies? ~19.58.37
1011~bannum-magtus@ whats it saying when you go to run it? ~20.01.41
1012--------[5.035]
1013~sicdev-pilnup@ There is also a channel for getting urbit running on ~20.02.42
1014 alternative hardware
1015~sicdev-pilnup@ ~botter-nidnul/extreme-urbiting ~20.02.48
1016~bannum-magtus@ oh rad ~20.04.25
1017~sicbud-hathes@ this takes me back to when i tried to run urbit on my ~20.05.06
1018 phone
1019~rabsef-bicrym@ i will switch to urbit phone when it can get my work ~20.07.14
1020 email and not segfault. scouts honor
1021--------[5.040]
1022~poldec-tonteg@ haha ~20.08.29
1023~sicbud-hathes@ hmmm that makes me think, is it possible to network ~20.09.22
1024 with the outside from urbit
1025~sicbud-hathes@ probably not but still ~20.09.27
1026~ronreg-ribdev@ good morning urbit-help folks ~20.09.37
1027~palfun-foslup@ how do you think landscape works (; ~20.09.38
1028--------[5.045]
1029~sicbud-hathes@ hmmmmm ~20.09.48
1030~sicbud-hathes@ email client for urbit when ~20.09.55
1031~palfun-foslup@ we had gmail api support a couple years ago.. don't ~20.10.19
1032 think anything big ever came of it
1033~risruc-habteb@ mail client lower priority than mail server ~20.10.34
1034~palfun-foslup@ supporting actual email protocols instead of some ~20.10.39
1035 email api probably requires vere-level work though,
1036 idk if we want that in
1037--------[5.050]
1038~sicbud-hathes@ email over urbit ~20.11.03
1039~risruc-habteb@ i think api / other-world tie-ins are overrated in ~20.11.16
1040 general
1041~risruc-habteb@ burn it to the ground ~20.11.22
1042~rabsef-bicrym@ urmail the original mail ~20.11.23
1043~bannum-magtus@ "you're telling me I can get my emails on urbit?"
1044 "No ~20.11.29
1045 Neo, I'm saying tha when you're ready, you wont need
1046 email"
1047--------[5.055]
1048~timluc-miptev@ . ~20.14.51
1049~minder-folden@ lol ~20.14.56
1050~minder-folden@ ~bannum, that's perfect ~20.15.00
1051~master-morzod@ welp, i just found a brutally obvious memory leak ... ~20.22.08
1052~master-morzod@ "memory lost" here i come ~20.22.15
1053--------[5.060]
1054~nidsyp-widsum@ ? ~20.23.14
1055~tomsyr-fadsut@ I'm looking forward to host all my various messengers ~20.26.10
1056 (whatsapp, fb msg, twitter dms, ig dms, etc) all in
1057 urbit so all I need to do is open urbit and get all my
1058 msgs there
1059~bannum-magtus@ Im looking forward to everyone using urbit so I dont ~20.26.33
1060 need to host my various messengers here
1061~master-morzod@ vere doesn't run under valgrind, and fights ~20.27.17
1062 address-sanitizer on linux
1063~palfun-foslup@ i want to do whatsapp api integration so bad, but it's ~20.27.19
1064 very non-trivial, and people who use it keep getting
1065 their nr banned ):
1066--------[5.065]
1067~master-morzod@ but mtrace found this right away ~20.27.39
1068~timluc-miptev@ if the owner of ~padnem is in here: I had really bad ~20.34.05
1069 service today, had to switch to another planet to
1070 write this and get messages delivered
1071~timluc-miptev@ also curious how/whether it's possible to switch star ~20.34.16
1072~palfun-foslup@ it is possible! but not in bridge yet ): ~20.35.37
1073~palfun-foslup@ i think we're getting support for that soon. in the ~20.35.52
1074 mean time, you have to use third party tools
1075--------[5.070]
1076~palfun-foslup/ https://pastebin.com/uEA732jS ~20.36.11
1077~palfun-foslup@ "escaping" is the name of the process ~20.36.20
1078~palfun-foslup@ the above says "management proxy", but you can do it ~20.36.34
1079 with your master ticket/ownership wallet too
1080~rabsef-bicrym@ livpub is a very nice star this time of year. ~20.38.08
1081~rabsef-bicrym@ as, I'm sure, is palfun ~20.38.18
1082--------[5.075]
1083~wicdev-wisryt@ ~littel-wolfur if you're here, I don't have ~20.38.41
1084 permissions to read your chat
1085~wicdev-wisryt@ maybe you accidentally created it private? ~20.38.49
1086~nidsyp-widsum@ Aren't the megacorp messaging services now more and ~20.43.09
1087 more (re)designed to make integrating with them
1088 impossible.
1089~nidsyp-widsum@ That is how they get everyone hooked, from what I ~20.43.59
1090 experienced. They all start with these nice open APIs;
1091 come join the party ... make your own clients and
1092 experiences .... then after critical mass is reached
1093 ... BAM, TOS y'all!
1094~bannum-magtus@ urgh slack ~20.47.07
1095--------[5.080]
1096~bannum-magtus@ added irc and xmpp gateways so that business' could ~20.47.22
1097 switch and integrate their old chats
1098~bannum-magtus@ then just discontinued them so people had to stick to ~20.47.35
1099 slack
1100~tadtyc-winwet@ urbit needs friend lists ~20.48.45
1101~tadtyc-winwet@ I don't know who wimwam-upbut is ~20.49.04
1102~biszod-dottem@ yea, i'd be nice to replace an urbit name with a ~20.49.04
1103 nickname locally
1104--------[5.085]
1105~hastuc-dibtux@ morning u-h ~20.49.05
1106~bannum-magtus@ coi la .astuk ~20.49.28
1107~tadtyc-winwet@ If I have a star but I lost the ethereum wallet, I'm ~20.52.12
1108 pretty much screwed, right?
1109~bannum-magtus@ ooof yeah thats rough ~20.52.59
1110~sicdev-pilnup@ ~tadtyc could you be more specific? Did you transfer ~20.53.04
1111 the star to a wallet that was lost?
1112--------[5.090]
1113~bannum-magtus@ if you still have the network key you're sorta ok? ~20.53.08
1114~tadtyc-winwet@ I have the thing that was sent to me by email ~20.53.22
1115~tadtyc-winwet@ I think it was the network key ~20.53.42
1116~sicdev-pilnup@ Have you done anything since receiving the email? ~20.53.51
1117~sicdev-pilnup@ if you have the master ticket you're still good ~20.54.07
1118--------[5.095]
1119~tadtyc-winwet@ I registered it to an ethereum address (that I have ~20.54.13
1120 since lost)
1121~sicdev-pilnup@ an ethereum address separate from the master ticket? ~20.54.55
1122~palfun-foslup@ oh no ~tadtyc ): ~20.55.14
1123~tadtyc-winwet@ checkng what I have ~20.56.00
1124~tadtyc-winwet@ I've got a string that kind of looks like a private ~20.57.29
1125 key
1126--------[5.100]
1127~palfun-foslup@ try logging into bridge.urbit.org with it ~20.58.07
1128~bannum-magtus@ \o/ ~20.59.02
1129~tadtyc-winwet@ it's not formatted like a master ticket, I think I'm ~20.59.09
1130 out o luck
1131~palfun-foslup@ you can log in with raw private keys ~20.59.29
1132~palfun-foslup@ and also mnemonic, and keyfiles, etc ~20.59.33
1133--------[5.105]
1134~wicdev-wisryt@ what's the format? like if you replace the ~20.59.35
1135 letters/numbers with x
1136~bannum-magtus@ yeah it might be the wallet key ~20.59.39
1137~tadtyc-winwet@ xxx.xxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx.xxxxx three, then five ~21.00.56
1138 alphanumeric seperated by periods
1139~palfun-foslup@ does it start with 0v ? looks like it might be an old ~21.01.50
1140 invite code or something
1141~palfun-foslup@ that is.. not useful, sadly ~21.02.02
1142--------[5.110]
1143~tadtyc-winwet@ yeah it starts with 0v7 ~21.02.09
1144~tadtyc-winwet@ welp lol ~21.02.29
1145~tadtyc-winwet@ good thing I bought two ~21.02.37
1146~palfun-foslup@ pretty sure that's an old urbit invite code or ticket ~21.02.40
1147 or some such thing then, yeah
1148~palfun-foslup@ you didn't put both eggs in the same basket? gj (: ~21.02.55
1149--------[5.115]
1150~tadtyc-winwet@ I bought em both with internet funny money so it ~21.03.34
1151 didn't really cost me anything, so easy come easy go
1152~wicdev-wisryt@ last thing to check would be to make sure it got ~21.03.59
1153 actually registered by putting the hex version of it
1154 in the "rights" call here:
1155~wicdev-wisryt/ https://etherscan.io/address/azimuth.eth#readContract ~21.04.06
1156~tadtyc-winwet@ thanks for the tech support though, was holding out ~21.04.07
1157 for a racle
1158~tadtyc-winwet@ miracle ~21.04.25
1159--------[5.120]
1160~palfun-foslup@ to clarify, "hex version" of the ship name. though the ~21.05.01
1161 number also works `@`~starname
1162~tadtyc-winwet@ I have an email telling me it's registered to an ~21.05.16
1163 ethereum address
1164~littel-wolfur@ is there a way to check the type (channel/village) of ~21.05.25
1165 a chat?
1166~littel-wolfur@ and is there a way to change that type? ~21.05.35
1167~palfun-foslup@ also, huh, ~middev just crashed when my ship tried ~21.05.37
1168 doing a routine resubscribe. weird
1169--------[5.125]
1170~tadtyc-winwet@ I jut lost the adress when (I think) I wiped machine ~21.05.45
1171~palfun-foslup@ looks like i got kicked? stack trace points to the ~21.06.07
1172 permissions check
1173~littel-wolfur@ ~palfun i did just try to create an existing channel ~21.06.08
1174~littel-wolfur@ i ran ;create channel /lot-45 when lot-45 already ~21.06.34
1175 existed
1176~littel-wolfur@ and (i think) was a village ~21.06.44
1177--------[5.130]
1178~palfun-foslup@ oh huh. maybe that overwrites old perms somehow? that ~21.06.44
1179 shouldn't happen
1180~palfun-foslup@ well: ~21.07.18
1181~palfun-foslup/_github.com ~21.07.23
1182~wicdev-wisryt@ well, ~tadtyc I guess this will be a good opportunity ~21.07.56
1183 for everyone present to check they've got their keys
1184 backed up. remember, more crypto is lost than stolen!
1185~littel-wolfur@ ~middev is still running though, didn't crash ~21.08.12
1186--------[5.135]
1187~bannum-magtus@ i have mine under my mattress ~21.08.43
1188~palfun-foslup@ oh, yeah, i meant "my subscribe to/on it crashed", ~21.08.45
1189 which is/should be transparent to you
1190~palfun-foslup@ ~bannum whats ur address ~21.08.52
1191~palfun-foslup pours one out for the lost star ~21.09.23
1192~bannum-magtus@ Corner of Molesworth Street and Lambton Quay, ~21.10.27
1193 Wellington
1194--------[5.140]
1195~tadtyc-winwet@ I am happy if my life has served as an example to ~21.10.58
1196 others. Back up your keys.
1197~wicdev-wisryt@ what's the star name, someone should make a funeral ~21.11.52
1198 sigil for ~somlus's notebook
1199~bannum-magtus@ fora was awesome ~21.12.11
1200~littel-wolfur@ calling ~minder for the funeral sigil ~21.12.29
1201~tadtyc-winwet@ ~solpem was the lost star ~21.12.31
1202--------[5.145]
1203~bannum-magtus forgets to check the binding mark of the message he's ~21.12.32
1204 replying to
1205~wicdev-wisryt/_urbit.live ~21.13.12
1206~littel-wolfur@ we need an urbmux ~21.13.15
1207~palfun-foslup@ ~soul permanently lost ): ~21.13.20
1208~tadtyc-winwet@ ouch ~21.13.29
1209--------[5.150]
1210~wicdev-wisryt@ does this mean ~masdem-lontux is gone too ~21.13.30
1211~tadtyc-winwet@ they're attached to the same wallet so I assumeso ~21.15.03
1212~timluc-miptev@ thanks for the escape directions ~palfun! I’ll try ~21.23.57
1213 them out tomorrow
1214~bannum-magtus@ for anyone who's a fan of the lego franchise ~21.50.44
1215 "Bionicle" please join ~bannum-magtus/bonks
1216~ravmel-ropdyl@ this is the first i've ever heard of it ~22.43.25
1217--------[5.155]
1218~palfun-foslup@ hah, i had a couple of the ball-shaped ones as a kid ~22.47.23
1219~palfun-foslup@ remember being surprised they bothered making movies ~22.47.36
1220 for it even back then
1221~barmud-monnyd@ hello ~22.51.44
1222~rabsef-bicrym@ Heya barmud ~22.51.51
1223~rabsef-bicrym@ welcome to urbit ~22.51.55
1224--------[5.160]
1225~bannum-magtus@ howdy comrade o7 ~22.52.06
1226~rabsef-bicrym@ Yesterday there was talk in here about replacing IP ~22.56.08
1227 under urbit naming convention - another protocol was
1228 mentioned
1229~rabsef-bicrym@ my friend here barmud asked me about it but I didn't ~22.56.27
1230 remember what exactly it was - could anyone edify us?
1231~barmud-monnyd@ test ~22.57.33
1232~barmud-monnyd@ = test ~22.57.33
1233--------[5.165]
1234~wannex-wittec@ this brings up a fun point ~23.00.24
1235~wannex-wittec@ in the docs somewhere "theoretically urbit can run on ~23.00.38
1236 bare metal"
1237~wannex-wittec@ i think this is technically incorrect as IP is ~23.01.03
1238 neccesary right now -- but with another protocol? if
1239 that is possible
1240~rabsef-bicrym@ That's what I mean tho - someone mentioned a potential ~23.01.40
1241 other protocol but I cannot for the life of it
1242 remember it
1243~rabsef-bicrym@ life of me ~23.01.43
1244--------[5.170]
1245~wicdev-wisryt@ well, people like to put a TCP stack right in the ~23.01.50
1246 hardware
1247~wicdev-wisryt@ but we actually don't use IP for anything except ~23.02.06
1248 serving landscape
1249~wannex-wittec@ it's funny i work in networking but i know next to ~23.02.14
1250 nothing about network hardware
1251~wannex-wittec@ that's interesting ~23.02.22
1252~wicdev-wisryt@ wait i have that wrong ~23.02.28
1253--------[5.175]
1254~wicdev-wisryt@ it's tcp we don't use except for landscape ~23.02.37
1255~wicdev-wisryt@ ames is udp-based, which of course uses ip ~23.02.45
1256~somlus-savlev@ Announcing: ~somlus-savlev/hoontards - for the person ~23.03.07
1257 who wants to learn hoon but has never ever coded and
1258 is therefore so dumb at this starting phase of code
1259 learning, that all of the basic questions seem too
1260 stupid for even urbit-help. Code saints welcome.
1261~wicdev-wisryt@ it's hard to say what exactly is bare metal, but yeah, ~23.03.32
1262 we might need a lower-level interface at some point
1263~wannex-wittec@ i mean it would be pretty amazing if we had a TCP/IP ~23.04.09
1264 stack replacement built into hardware and implemented
1265 for use in urbit
1266--------[5.180]
1267~wannex-wittec@ but I figre it would be much easier to stick with it ~23.04.49
1268~rapfyr-diglyt@ i mean you could certainly construct a nock intepreter ~23.07.09
1269 in hardware.
1270~rapfyr-diglyt@ and jet it with asics :-p ~23.07.15
1271~palfun-foslup@ there are no stupid hoon questions ~23.09.04
1272~rapfyr-diglyt@ also yes. ~23.09.10
1273--------[5.185]
1274~palfun-foslup@ and/or there is no question too stupid for urbit-help ~23.09.12
1275~rapfyr-diglyt@ double yes. ~23.09.29
1276~palfun-foslup@ ~rabsef the protocol you're thinking of is IPoAC ~23.09.43
1277~bannum-magtus@ IPoAC is amazing ~23.10.10
1278~bannum-magtus@ and good for the environment too, very low electricity ~23.10.25
1279 usage which is a major problem with todays internet
1280--------[5.190]
1281~rapfyr-diglyt stares at bitcoin ~23.11.53
1282~palfun-foslup@ idk why the internet uses electricity. can't i just ~23.12.17
1283 send the electrons back after i've seen them?
1284~rapfyr-diglyt@ inorite, come on guys, recycle already ~23.12.42
1285~master-morzod@ > More than 10000000 total errors detected. I'm not ~23.14.29
1286 reporting any more.
1287~master-morzod@ > Final error counts will be inaccurate. Go fix your ~23.14.34
1288 program!
1289--------[5.195]
1290~master-morzod@ tfw you get urbit to run under valgrind ~23.14.42
1291~poldec-tonteg@ wow ~23.15.12
1292~poldec-tonteg@ haha ~23.15.15
1293~rapfyr-diglyt@ rip ~23.15.31
1294~palfun-foslup@ lmao ~23.15.44
1295--------[5.200]
1296~master-morzod@ to be fair, a lot of these are least arguable if not ~23.15.58
1297 superfluous
1298~master-morzod@ valgrind very critical of djb, dangerous move ~23.16.11
1299~master-morzod@ it also hates libh2o ~23.16.34
1300~master-morzod@ i think it's pretty typical to need to suppress whole ~23.17.01
1301 categories of errors
1302~master-morzod@ very pedantic ~23.17.03
1303--------[5.205]
1304~nomtep_marzod@ hi ~23.28.21
1305~littel-ponnys@ on chrome, we started suppressing 3rd party libraries ~23.28.45
1306 along with supressing all the other valgrind errors we
1307 saw in our own code.
1308~littel-ponnys@ from there we put it on the buildbots so that it would ~23.28.57
1309 catch any new errors.
1310~littel-ponnys@ then we filed bugs upstream and filed bugs on our own ~23.29.09
1311 bugs.
1312~littel-ponnys@ a lot of valgrind errors (outside of crypto code and ~23.29.47
1313 other subtleties) are actually problems.
1314--------[5.210]
1315~littel-ponnys@ but. i remember when i was working with opengl and i ~23.30.23
1316 had to blacklist the entire amd graphics driver.
1317~littel-ponnys@ that was >fun ~23.30.25
1318~nomtep_marzod@ it's me, the comet ~23.30.52
1319~littel-ponnys@ hello, the comet ~23.31.06
1320~nomtep_marzod@ can comets access landscape through ship.arvo.network? ~23.31.09
1321--------[5.215]
1322~nomtep_marzod@ didn't work for me ~23.31.17
1323~littel-ponnys@ i don't believe they can ~23.32.26
1324~nomtep_marzod@ arguably comets are the clowns of ubrit ~23.34.19
1325~nomtep_marzod@ urbit ~23.34.20
1326~poldec-tonteg@ haha ~23.35.15
1327--------[5.220]
1328~minder-folden@ Too funny ~23.35.40
1329~wannex-wittec@ get on your dunce comet ~23.37.00
1330~rapfyr-diglyt@ comets are the cornerstone of breaking the potential ~23.37.16
1331 hegemony of address space by the rich.
1332~bannum-magtus@ comets are people too! ~23.37.17
1333~rapfyr-diglyt@ viva la comet revolution ~23.37.35
1334--------[5.225]
1335~nomtep_marzod@ we're clowns that can be legally brutalized ~23.37.39
1336~wannex-wittec@ i can already see the monopoly on address space, the ~23.38.07
1337 top 0.1% of the 1% starving us
1338~nomtep_marzod@ and then clowns being brutalized by mall security with ~23.38.26
1339 impunity
1340~bannum-magtus@ we're gonna have to elevate some comets to the level ~23.39.04
1341 of planet based on he number of prefixed 'zods' in
1342 their name
1343~somlus-savlev@ what if all the infinite number of comets got together ~23.40.00
1344 and held a revolution? Are we prepared for that as
1345 the league of planets?
1346--------[5.230]
1347~nomtep_marzod@ whoah... ~23.40.22
1348~nomtep_marzod@ send in the clowns.... ~23.40.24
1349~wannex-wittec@ just shoot em down baby ~23.40.28
1350~hastuc-dibtux@ could always retreat to the stars, 16bits are easier ~23.40.56
1351 to monopolise
1352~rapfyr-diglyt@ not only am i prepared, i welcome and am an agitator ~23.43.23
1353 for a comet revolution.
1354--------[5.235]
1355~bannum-magtus@ im a card carrying member of the cometist party ~23.44.57
1356~rapfyr-diglyt@ eat the stars ~23.45.24
1357~minder-folden@ You fools! When you eat the stars, what will you ~23.45.50
1358 connect through then?! X^D
1359~ronreg-ribdev@ so, completley unironically, the well-known limit of ~23.46.54
1360 2^32 - something planets is something I've seen
1361 brought up as a serious criticism of urbit
1362~ronreg-ribdev@ and I think it's one of the more serious ones ~23.47.15
1363--------[5.240]
1364~minder-folden@ To split hairs: I think it's a criticism that feels ~23.48.11
1365 the most compelling to the least familiar with the
1366 project.
1367~hastuc-dibtux@ the urbit address space is technically 128-bit and the ~23.48.25
1368 galaxies could vote for an upgrade to the azimuth
1369 contracts that make planets 40-bit or whatever, if we
1370 ever ran out
1371~minder-folden@ Even if there's full-blown adoption, that limit would ~23.48.36
1372 be 10-ish years away.
1373~ridlur-figbud@ equivalent to ipv6 ~23.48.39
1374~minder-folden@ By then, there's the option as ~hastuc says, for the ~23.49.11
1375 galaxies to implement a better solution than freak out
1376 about too little available space.
1377--------[5.245]
1378~ronreg-ribdev@ I think the more compelling argument is that the whole ~23.49.29
1379 point of the (rleatively) small limit on identities is
1380 to mkae sybil attacks expensive
1381~ronreg-ribdev@ but that *also* means that large holders of address ~23.50.02
1382 space have an economic incentive to rent-seek
1383~rapfyr-diglyt@ i mean it is a legit concern, particularly given ~23.50.11
1384 urbit's image problem steming from uh... certain
1385 people. it does not help our case. but it's also a
1386 pretty trivial problem to address
1387~ronreg-ribdev@ basically digital land has some of the same dynamics ~23.51.00
1388 as physical land does
1389~hastuc-dibtux@ yeah but digital land is far more commoditised than ~23.51.36
1390 physical land
1391--------[5.250]
1392~ronreg-ribdev@ maybe ~23.51.45
1393~hastuc-dibtux@ it doesn't really matter to me what star i'm under and ~23.51.57
1394 I can change it quickly
1395~minder-folden@ The problem of too few planets is a non-problem (with ~23.52.04
1396 benefits, even) whereas the issue it solves is a HUGE
1397 problem.
1398~ronreg-ribdev@ ~minder: right ~23.52.12
1399~ronreg-ribdev@ this is also true of legal ownership ofphysical land ~23.52.23
1400--------[5.255]
1401~ronreg-ribdev@ it's a problem that incumbent landowners in sf are ~23.52.54
1402 also voting citizens of sf who can vote for policies
1403 that make it hard to build additional housing, which
1404 htey are incentivized not to do becuase it lowers the
1405 value of their own property
1406~ronreg-ribdev@ but that doesn't mean that the right solution to high ~23.53.12
1407 san franisco rent prices is to abolihs landownership
1408~rapfyr-diglyt@ maybe it is though ~23.53.23
1409~littel-ponnys/_media1.tenor.com ~23.53.55
1410~master-morzod@ ;join ~23.54.06
1411 ~rapfyr-diglyt/smash-the-state-and-the-landlords-too
1412--------[5.260]
1413~bannum-magtus@ o7 ~23.54.30
1414~hastuc-dibtux@ yeah but incumbent starowners would seek to increase ~23.54.33
1415 the number of planets because that means more
1416 potential revenue
1417~rapfyr-diglyt@ the point is that regardless, limited space is a ~23.55.03
1418 solvable problem if it becomes an actual issue and not
1419 just a potential one
1420~ronreg-ribdev@ ~hastuc: maybe that's the right narrative ~23.57.35
1421~ronreg-ribdev@ the economics of landowenership are complicated, and I ~23.58.03
1422 am not an expert, except insofar as I am a bay area
1423 resident and theparticular pathologies of the bay area
1424 property market are salient to me :)
1425--------[5.265]
1426~sillus-mallus@ test ~00.49.59
1427~sillus-mallus@ |hi ~sillus-mallus ~00.55.45
1428~sillus-mallus@ hmm... ~00.55.55
1429~haddef-sigwen@ ? ~00.56.09
1430~sillus-mallus@ thought i was in dojo and testing something. sorry. ~00.56.34
1431 the chat seems to be working now though.
1432--------[5.270]
1433~sillus-mallus@ meowdy! i'm doing the last lesson of hoon 101 and ~00.58.33
1434 starting 201 tonight on a rare free evening
1435~sillus-mallus@ (for reference: ~01.00.59
1436 https://browse.startpage.com/do/show_picture.pl?l=engl
1437 ish&rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F3ayrq37a08821
1438 .jpg&sp=63add84f4394ae1fcd6a77b51c2ccfab&t=default)
1439~wannex-wittec@ star owners pushing their own software to planets ~01.16.03
1440 seems like kind of a security concern to me...
1441~ronreg-ribdev@ ~sillus: are these lessons posted anywhere? ~01.17.37
1442~ronreg-ribdev@ I assume this is about some hoon school thing and not ~01.17.50
1443 the public hoon docs
1444--------[5.275]
1445~haddef-sigwen@ you can just not sync with your star, or sync with any ~01.17.52
1446 planet or star or galaxy you like
1447~risruc-habteb@ reposting for ~somlus with clickable link.... ~01.18.07
1448 Announcing: for the person who wants to learn hoon
1449 but has never ever coded and is therefore so dumb at
1450 this starting phase of code learning, that all of the
1451 basic questions seem too stupid for even urbit-help.
1452 Code saints welcome.
1453~risruc-habteb@ ~somlus-savlev/hoontards ~01.18.11
1454~sillus-mallus@ ~ronreg: i don't know if they're posted anywhere, but ~01.18.38
1455 i am referring to the hoon school lessons from the
1456 discord class.
1457~wannex-wittec@ oh i see ~01.18.39
1458--------[5.280]
1459~sillus-mallus@ I was lucky to get in, and then got married, so the ~01.19.41
1460 hoon inertia sorta took second fiddle for a few
1461 months. Currently I'm trying to do right by the
1462 instructors and not waste my slot.
1463~risruc-habteb@ i believe they took everyone who signed up for this ~01.22.01
1464 session.
1465~risruc-habteb@ and i've heard they'll run again in january. ~01.22.09
1466~risruc-habteb@ you can sign up here ~01.22.34
1467~risruc-habteb/ https://urbit.org/community/hoonschool/ ~01.22.35
1468--------[5.285]
1469~sillus-mallus@ Oh no, there goes my ability to guilt myself into ~01.23.05
1470 finishing.
1471~sillus-mallus@ ;P ~01.23.32
1472~risruc-habteb@ do it for your family ~01.23.39
1473~risruc-habteb@ think of the children. ~01.23.42
1474~sillus-mallus@ do you know something i don't?! ~01.24.05
1475--------[5.290]
1476~migtem_marzod@ How have you found it? ~01.24.54
1477~risruc-habteb@ ;) ~sillus ~01.25.04
1478~sillus-mallus@ hoon school? crystal clear. i breezed through the ~01.25.54
1479 lessons that i have studied so far.
1480~risruc-habteb@ i've enjoyed hoon school. the video content is good ~01.26.57
1481 and the docs are quite good these days. good
1482 supplement to the weekly content
1483~sillus-mallus@ The Weekly Content ~01.27.11
1484--------[5.295]
1485~sillus-mallus@ is that your term for something specific or is that ~01.27.25
1486 'the content i eat in one week'
1487~risruc-habteb@ the pace is relatively (quite) slow. even total new ~01.27.44
1488 comers should be able to keep up, if you put in an
1489 hour once a week.
1490~tirlyn-todnex@ I've also really enjoyed the improved docs. ~01.27.53
1491~risruc-habteb@ i think that makes it easy for people to keep up and ~01.28.01
1492 not get too discouraged
1493~risruc-habteb@ of course, ambitious students will want to do much ~01.28.37
1494 more than is required
1495--------[5.300]
1496~risruc-habteb@ also, the docs are good enough taht if you actually ~01.29.11
1497 follow them in order, doing the exercises and
1498 walkthroughs... you're basically getting the same
1499 thing as hoon school, but at your own pace.
1500~migtem_marzod@ Excellent, I'm signed up for Jan. I ~01.29.29
1501~migtem_marzod@ ....I'm pretty hyped for it ~01.29.36
1502~risruc-habteb@ don't be afraid to start trudging through the first ~01.29.59
1503 chapters of docs on your own!
1504~bannum-magtus@ shouldve worn my Kropotkin "Lets get this bread" shirt ~01.31.45
1505--------[5.305]
1506~bannum-magtus@ but I went with the Sonic sleeveless singlet instead ~01.31.53
1507~bannum-magtus realises this is urbit-help and not the chat he thought ~01.32.07
1508 it was
1509~sicbud-hathes@ nice ~01.35.17
1510~sicbud-hathes@ this is relevant anywhere ~01.35.33
1511~migtem_marzod@ I'm already going through the docs to get the hang of ~01.44.19
1512 it :)
1513--------[5.310]
1514~haddef-sigwen@ ~risruc basically some people benefit a lot from just ~02.05.10
1515 working through it with peers
1516~haddef-sigwen@ and having a dedicated person to ask stuff to ~02.05.17
1517~haddef-sigwen@ you also get the benefit of ~rapfyr. is he still ~02.05.43
1518 posting talks? the previous cohort got talks
1519~migtem_marzod@ Multiple learning methods are great ~02.07.05
1520~haddef-sigwen@ i try to help make things nonlinear. i actually ~02.07.46
1521 discovered it's like somewhat trivial to add the
1522 standard library to site-wide search so i might do
1523 that once the new glossary is up
1524--------[5.315]
1525~haddef-sigwen@ just a lot going on atm ~02.07.48
1526~haddef-sigwen@ omnibar for "whats this thing" helps a lot i think ~02.08.09
1527~sillus-mallus@ i second the idea of an omnibar ~02.16.57
1528~sillus-mallus@ especially, and i cannot stress this enough, for runes ~02.17.08
1529~haddef-sigwen@ the omnibar already tells you about runes ~02.17.15
1530--------[5.320]
1531~haddef-sigwen@ on urbit.org press '/' to open the search and type a ~02.17.25
1532 rune in
1533~sillus-mallus@ ! ~02.17.29
1534~haddef-sigwen@ it's also about to tell you about common terms ~02.17.37
1535~sillus-mallus@ !! ~02.17.43
1536~haddef-sigwen/ https://github.com/urbit/urbit.org/pull/317 ~02.17.49
1537--------[5.325]
1538~walter-hinted@ hey urbit, I found the way to subscribe to notebooks ~02.21.45
1539 in dojo using the following code`:publish|subscribe
1540 ~ship-name %notebook` what's used to unsubscribe?
1541~migtem_marzod@ Had no idea '/' did anything on the site. ~02.21.57
1542~wicdev-wisryt@ ~walter notebooks == hotel california ~02.22.26
1543~wicdev-wisryt@ no wait i think there is a way to leave ~02.22.35
1544~wicdev-wisryt@ :publish &publish-action [%unsubscribe ~ship-name ~02.23.26
1545 %notebook]
1546--------[5.330]
1547~wicdev-wisryt@ i think that should do it ~02.23.38
1548~walter-hinted@ ty ~wicdev-wisryt I'll try it out ~02.24.08
1549~haddef-sigwen@ i mean you could also press 'search', slash is just ~02.24.21
1550 the hotkey. we don't have it anywhere. used to but we
1551 never found a good presentation
1552~migtem_marzod@ I hadn't tried the search yet, it's a lot more useful ~02.25.41
1553 than I expected
1554~walter-hinted@ >:publish &publish-action [%unsubscribe ~ship-name ~02.29.07
1555 %notebook]
1556--------[5.335]
1557~walter-hinted@ I think it worked, but it now appears to have removed ~02.29.43
1558 all of my subscriptions in the landscape UI
1559~wicdev-wisryt@ ha, all of them? ~02.31.14
1560~wicdev-wisryt@ i must confess i haven't tried unsubscribing before ~02.31.25
1561~wicdev-wisryt@ if you refresh do they come back? ~02.31.30
1562~walter-hinted@ hmm actually I think it only cleared the 'Recents' ~02.32.33
1563 view. I can still a couple of subscriptions in the
1564 'Subscriptions' tab
1565--------[5.340]
1566~risruc-habteb@ ~haddef, yep. ~rapfyr is posting the weekly videos, ~02.34.04
1567 which are great. and I certainly agree with you on
1568 different types of learners. it turns out I'm of the
1569 ilk you describe, in as much as I wouldn't be making
1570 any progress, but for the imposition of assignments
1571 and schedule!
1572~walter-hinted@ it's odd I'm unable to get ~wicdev-wisryt ~02.34.39
1573 %bulletin-board to display in my subscriptions tab
1574~risruc-habteb@ when your did subscribe command, did you get a notice ~02.36.22
1575 like "~wicdec-wisryt is ok"
1576~walter-hinted@ refresh didn't work ~02.36.34
1577~walter-hinted@ subscribe command gave me '>=' ~02.37.17
1578--------[5.345]
1579~risruc-habteb@ when it works, you will see either ~wicdev-wisryt is ~02.37.45
1580 OK
1581~risruc-habteb@ or is your neighbor. ~02.37.48
1582~risruc-habteb@ give it a few minutes. ~02.38.02
1583~risruc-habteb@ but in the meantime, try |hi ~wicdev-wisryt ~02.38.25
1584~risruc-habteb@ I assume you're using native dojo, not web dojo. ~02.38.43
1585--------[5.350]
1586~walter-hinted@ sounds good, I'll wait. I was able to subscribe to ~02.39.22
1587 other notebooks pretty quickly
1588~walter-hinted@ >hi ~wicdev-wisryt successful ~02.39.36
1589~risruc-habteb@ I would think it should come through the tubes ~02.40.16
1590 shortly.
1591~walter-hinted@ yes, I'm using native dojo for ~02.40.17
1592 subscribing/unsubscribing. I'm using landscape for
1593 chatting here
1594~wicdev-wisryt@ note that while |hi doesn't work in web dojo, -hi does ~02.40.38
1595--------[5.355]
1596~walter-hinted@ I suspect the issue might be similar to the following ~02.40.49
1597 on github
1598~walter-hinted/_https://github.com/urbit/urbit/issues/1977
1599 https://gi… ~02.40.50
1600~walter-hinted@ whoops that should be two separate links ~02.41.19
1601~walter-hinted/ https://github.com/urbit/urbit/issues/1977 ~02.41.26
1602~wicdev-wisryt@ i've reproduced the unsubscribe problem on a comet ~02.41.28
1603--------[5.360]
1604~walter-hinted/ https://github.com/urbit/urbit/issues/1983
1605 ~02.41.31
1606~wicdev-wisryt@ looks like if you unsubscribe from everything and ~02.43.31
1607 resubscribe it works again
1608~wicdev-wisryt@ just reported it, feel free to add any more info ~02.48.00
1609~wicdev-wisryt/ https://github.com/urbit/urbit/issues/2079 ~02.48.01
1610~sillus-mallus@ what's the 'type' of a list in the parameter of a ~02.50.39
1611 naked generator? sorry to use verboten imperative
1612 language
1613--------[5.365]
1614~sillus-mallus@ |= n=(list @ud) isn't cutting it ~02.50.55
1615~sillus-mallus@ *naked gate ~02.51.13
1616~wicdev-wisryt@ do you mean you're trying to call it with `+generator ~02.54.53
1617 foo bar baz` ? I don't think that works for naked
1618 gate generators
1619~wicdev-wisryt@ i think it would have to be `+generator [foo bar baz ~02.55.15
1620 ~]`
1621~sillus-mallus@ the latter is how i am trying to call it. however, i'm ~02.57.08
1622 not sure how to specify in the generator that i want
1623 the only argument to be a list.
1624--------[5.370]
1625 ~litpub@ nice, it still works ~02.57.13
1626~sillus-mallus@ L I T P U B ~02.57.25
1627 ~litpub@ it's lit ~02.57.35
1628~sillus-mallus@ it's ... pub> ~02.57.45
1629 ~litpub@ scrolling is broken in Firefox on landscape btw ~02.58.47
1630--------[5.375]
1631 ~litpub@ in chat I mean ~02.58.56
1632~sillus-mallus@ >he isn't using a terminal ~02.59.20
1633~sillus-mallus@ wait are you connecting via litpub.orbit.org ? ~03.00.19
1634~sillus-mallus@ *u ~03.00.28
1635 ~litpub@ no ~03.01.15
1636--------[5.380]
1637 ~litpub@ (someone) made me some cool sigil art ~03.02.33
1638 https://twitter.com/nmgrm/status/1204587956914315266
1639~rabsef-bicrym@ I'm getting my OTAs on the regular and it feels so ~03.02.40
1640 nice
1641~sillus-mallus@ wow i love that art bot ~03.03.16
1642~sillus-mallus@ oh this is how you do it: n=*(list @ud) ~03.03.51
1643~rabsef-bicrym@ Incidentally - I'm not the only one still getting ~03.03.53
1644 segmentation faults am I? As far as I can tell, it
1645 happens worse when I use landscape but happens anyway
1646 less often, otherwise.
1647--------[5.385]
1648~wicdev-wisryt@ ooh, that's a good one for ~somlus-savlev's sigil ~03.10.11
1649 notebook
1650~wicdev-wisryt@ ~rabsef I haven't seen segmentation faults since the ~03.10.40
1651 day of the new era
1652~wicdev-wisryt@ are they still they still on 0x159? ~03.10.57
1653~wicdev-wisryt@ and are you running 0.10.1? ~03.11.04
1654~lapryl_marzod@ +code ~03.21.53
1655--------[5.390]
1656~lapryl_marzod@ Testing. ~03.21.54
1657~bannum-magtus@ howdy comet friend! ~03.22.30
1658~rabsef-bicrym@ ~widev-wisryt I am on 0.10.1, on the newest hash, and ~03.22.42
1659 yes still at same location
1660~rabsef-bicrym@ It's like once or twice a day if I don't use ssl ~03.23.03
1661 landscape
1662~rabsef-bicrym@ and fairly often otherwise ~03.23.18
1663--------[5.395]
1664~sillus-mallus@ &1:[2 3 4] --> 2 ~03.24.47
1665~wicdev-wisryt@ ~rabsef, we recently fixed a few issues and added ~03.32.50
1666 debug symbols to the build, that'll likely go out
1667 tonight as 0.10.2. When that happens, if it crashes
1668 again, we should be able to get a useful stack trace
1669 from the core
1670~wicdev-wisryt@ with `gdb ./urbit core` ~03.33.00
1671~wicdev-wisryt@ then running `thread apply all bt` ~03.33.22
1672~wicdev-wisryt# |0:[2 3 4] ~03.34.23
1673--------[5.400]
1674~wicdev-wisryt@ i never really thought about &1 as being sort of ~03.34.44
1675 1-indexed
1676~wicdev-wisryt@ it needs to be so that [&n |n]:foo is just foo (when n ~03.35.24
1677 is less than the length of foo)
1678~wicdev-wisryt@ and still have |0 be defined ~03.35.37
1679~wicdev-wisryt@ although tbh i don't think i've ever seen |0 used ~03.35.58
1680~rabsef-bicrym@ I'm afraid I don't quite follow your explanation as to ~03.37.37
1681 the why but I will take note of those debug steps and
1682 keep an eye out for 10.2
1683--------[5.405]
1684~rabsef-bicrym@ Thank you and sorry for my limited understanding ~03.37.55
1685~master-morzod@ ~sillus, +snag is the zero-indexed list item retrieval ~03.38.25
1686 function
1687~master-morzod@ &n isn't directly related to lists, it just ~03.39.02
1688 deconstructs cells
1689~master-morzod@ treating right-associated cells as n-tuples ~03.39.18
1690~ronreg-ribdev@ here's a hoon-related thought - what if some official ~03.51.35
1691 documentation of hoon runes lived in the dojo?
1692--------[5.410]
1693~ronreg-ribdev@ i.e. if you could type +document :? and have it just ~03.52.00
1694 print that section of the hoon documentation
1695~ronreg-ribdev@ I wonder if it even would make sense to build this ~03.52.47
1696 into hoon itself, sort of like how the ability to do >
1697 help("") is built into the python interpreter
1698~risruc-habteb@ great idea ~ronreg. absolutely love that. ~03.52.51
1699~risruc-habteb@ great starter project too ~03.53.02
1700~ronreg-ribdev@ and it uses docstrings which are a python construct ~03.53.03
1701--------[5.415]
1702~risruc-habteb@ any Hoon 101 student could build that ~03.53.14
1703~ronreg-ribdev@ in general I'm in favor of programming languages ~03.53.24
1704 supporting documentation of themselves, but maybe hoon
1705 is meant to be too minimal for that
1706~risruc-habteb@ with a little elbow grease ~03.53.26
1707~ronreg-ribdev@ yeah I was thinking I might try to code it up myself, ~03.53.37
1708 since it's a thing I"d like :)
1709~ronreg-ribdev@ I guess the main questions are 1) how exactly do maps ~03.54.08
1710 work in hoon, since this program would be mostly a map
1711 of rune name to string
1712--------[5.420]
1713~ronreg-ribdev@ and 2) what's the best way to store large blocks of ~03.54.24
1714 text from a website in a way that a hoon generator can
1715 easily output?
1716~ravmel-ropdyl@ we're working on something similar to this, actually ~03.56.04
1717~ravmel-ropdyl@ we called it 'doccords' ~03.56.08
1718~risruc-habteb@ I don't know the 'proper' way to do it myself, so I'd ~03.56.22
1719 1)use a series of conditionals 2) parse all text
1720 beforehand
1721~ravmel-ropdyl@ might be worth posting to urbit-dev to check on the ~03.56.39
1722 status
1723--------[5.425]
1724~ravmel-ropdyl@ i know someone on the docs team was working on it ~03.56.43
1725~ravmel-ropdyl@ i like the idea of runes-only as a generator though ~03.56.52
1726~ravmel-ropdyl@ that's a good idea ~03.56.54
1727~risruc-habteb@ not to be confused with 'dotards' ~03.57.04
1728~risruc-habteb@ yeah, I like the rune generator idea a lot ~03.57.21
1729--------[5.430]
1730~risruc-habteb@ +rune "|-" ~03.58.01
1731~ronreg-ribdev@ that reminds me, I am not sure how to subscribe to ~03.58.13
1732 urbit-dev without a google account
1733~wicdev-wisryt/_groups.google.com ~04.06.06
1734~wicdev-wisryt@ does that work? ~04.06.11
1735~wicdev-wisryt@ if so, we should maybe post that somewher ~04.06.20
1736--------[5.435]
1737~risruc-habteb@ yes, it appears to! ~04.07.16
1738~haddef-sigwen@ part of my internal documentation proposal was trying ~04.07.43
1739 to keep the docs agnostic enough to support being
1740 placed as a +man generator thing
1741~ronreg-ribdev@ ~haddef: what do you mean by agnostic? ~04.14.45
1742~hacrel-ravnex@ is it normally impossible to scroll up in landscape ~04.15.59
1743 chat in firefox?
1744~haddef-sigwen@ we were debating forever on whether or not to put the ~04.16.02
1745 docs on urbit.org directly and i believed that if we
1746 kept it as its own repository we could make different
1747 export targets
1748--------[5.440]
1749~haddef-sigwen@ no ~hacrel ~04.16.04
1750~haddef-sigwen@ wait yes ~04.16.08
1751~haddef-sigwen@ i cant read ~04.16.11
1752~haddef-sigwen@ we want to be able to write docs once and export it to ~04.16.33
1753 whatever. urbit.org, like, json, whatever
1754~haddef-sigwen@ i try to make anything we have programmatic. doccords ~04.17.00
1755 is based on the same idea i think, but we kind of need
1756 good code documentation. the newer the code, the
1757 better documented, usually
1758--------[5.445]
1759~hacrel-ravnex@ well that's sad :( ~04.17.36
1760~ronreg-ribdev@ yeah that's the challenge here I think ~04.24.44
1761~ronreg-ribdev@ hm, I do want this to exist, but I also think that ~04.25.18
1762 this is fundamentally a deployment problem
1763~ronreg-ribdev@ i.e. not something amenable to a single code ~04.25.43
1764 contribution
1765~napter-matnep/_https://twitter.com/bendavenport/status/1204540648910… ~04.39.25
1766--------[5.450]
1767~haddef-sigwen@ trying to think of a really quick way to produce a ~05.54.43
1768 ship sponsor on front-end
1769~wicdev-wisryt@ you need access to either jael or ethereum to do that ~05.56.21
1770~wicdev-wisryt@ unless it's a moon ~05.56.25
1771~haddef-sigwen@ it is ... "(sein:title our now our)" but yes, no way ~05.58.22
1772 to just arbitrarily send commands from window.urb
1773~haddef-sigwen@ just json pokes to stuff ~05.58.46
1774--------[5.455]
1775~timluc-miptev@ ~haddef -- the feature you posted upthread to type "/" ~07.21.13
1776 and access rune documentation on any urbit.org page is
1777 crazy! That needs to be a hint on every page of the
1778 site imo
1779~ronreg-ribdev@ " ~08.21.33
1780~borlyt-salnus@ i get "-bash: ./urbit: cannot execute binary file: ~08.28.02
1781 Exec format error" on my pi when trying to install
1782 urbit there
1783~borlyt-salnus@ anybody knwo a fix? ~08.28.09
1784~litmus-ritten@ ~borlyt: Is it an arm executable? ~08.28.45
1785--------[5.460]
1786~litmus-ritten@ I know that Urbit can be compiled for arm, but if you ~08.29.41
1787 downloaded one of the prebuilt executables it may
1788 target x86_64.
1789~borlyt-salnus@ ./urbit: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 ~08.29.54
1790 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped
1791~borlyt-salnus@ yeah looks like it's x86_64 ~08.30.06
1792~borlyt-salnus@ do you know where to install the arm version? ~08.30.22
1793~borlyt-salnus@ teh install instructions only have macos and linux ~08.30.48
1794 (x86_64 apparently)
1795--------[5.465]
1796~litmus-ritten@ ~borlyt: You'll probably have to compile from source. ~08.31.27
1797~borlyt-salnus@ oh ok ~08.32.41
1798~borlyt-salnus@ i'll check that out ~08.33.04
1799~litmus-ritten@ Good luck. I've done it before but the build toolchain ~08.34.05
1800 has changed since then.
1801~midlyx-hatrys@ OMNIBAR! ~09.02.04
1802--------[5.470]
1803~midlyx-hatrys@ discoverability is thy middle name ~09.02.20
1804~midlyx-hatrys@ a "press /" should feature prominently somewhere where ~09.03.13
1805 people are likely to see it
1806~midlyx-hatrys@ then again, now I have a solid justification for my ~09.04.04
1807 stupid habit of catching up on u-h in the mornings, so
1808 shrug emoji
1809~timluc-miptev@ +1 for "press /" feature--that seems really obvious ~09.17.23
1810~palfun-foslup@ good morning u-h ~09.53.00
1811--------[5.475]
1812~borlyt-salnus@ ok i failed ~10.39.04
1813~borlyt-salnus@ can't seem to figure out how to build urbit from ~10.39.28
1814 source
1815~litmus-ritten@ How far did you get? What fails? ~10.39.57
1816~borlyt-salnus@ it fails when trying to do the curl command ~10.43.00
1817~palfun-foslup@ for the default install you can just run "make"/"make ~10.43.03
1818 install". idk about arm support though, i don't think
1819 that's as trivial
1820--------[5.480]
1821~palfun-foslup@ oh huh, the curl shouldn't fail ~10.43.25
1822~palfun-foslup@ what does it say? ~10.43.34
1823~borlyt-salnus@ i ran this one (cuz the default doesn't work on arm) ~10.44.28
1824 "curl https://nixos.org/nix/install | sh"
1825~borlyt-salnus@ sh: sorry, there is no binary distribution of Nix for ~10.44.35
1826 your platform
1827~palfun-foslup@ oh, hm, nix doesn't support arm then ~10.45.15
1828--------[5.485]
1829~palfun-foslup@ i.. don't think there's much we can do about that, and ~10.45.32
1830 idk how nix devs feel about implementing support...
1831~palfun-foslup/ https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Nix_on_ARM ~10.45.52
1832~palfun-foslup@ that might be useful though ~10.45.54
1833~borlyt-salnus@ is there a way to build from source without nix? ~10.48.43
1834~palfun-foslup@ technically, you could replace the build system in the ~10.49.38
1835 urbit repo with something else (^:
1836--------[5.490]
1837~palfun-foslup@ but that's very non-trivial. we hard-depend on it rn ~10.49.48
1838~borlyt-salnus@ hmmm ~10.50.14
1839~borlyt-salnus@ well that blows ~10.50.17
1840~palfun-foslup@ does the linked "nix on arm" thing not work? ~10.51.23
1841~borlyt-salnus@ am trying it out, do i just make a release.nix with ~10.52.21
1842 that code in and then try to do the curl?
1843--------[5.495]
1844~palfun-foslup@ i think you want to run that in place of the curl ~10.52.57
1845~palfun-foslup@ you could also try downloading the nix installer ~10.53.04
1846 linked on that page
1847~palfun-foslup@ wait no, maybe i misunderstand re the curl ~10.53.36
1848~palfun-foslup@ yeah i think you follow these "install nix from ~10.54.58
1849 source" instructions, but replace the release.nix
1850 before you do step 5.3
1851~palfun-foslup/ https://nixos.org/nix/manual/#ch-installing-source ~10.55.02
1852--------[5.500]
1853~borlyt-salnus@ alright thx, i'll try these out ~10.57.29
1854~litmus-ritten@ Oh, I didn't make the connection between Nix and ~10.58.50
1855 NixOS. I thought they were unrelated projects.
1856~palfun-foslup@ hmm, my ames is crashing on a life mismatch from... ~11.01.35
1857 ~somlus-savlev's moon? expecting their life 2, got 1.
1858~palfun-foslup@ idk what a moon is doing talking to me directly (^: ~11.01.58
1859~borlyt-salnus@ the "./configure options..." command doesn't work ~11.11.34
1860--------[5.505]
1861~borlyt-salnus@ is that a deoendency i'm missing? ~11.11.55
1862~walter-hinted@ On Landscape in Publish I'm getting "Internal Server ~11.13.24
1863 Error There was an error while handling the request
1864 for "/~publish"." I tried refreshing Landscape and
1865 also tried restarting my ship without success. Chat
1866 still works in Landscape. Any ideas on how to get
1867 Publish back online?
1868~borlyt-salnus@ same ~walter ~11.13.52
1869~palfun-foslup@ ~borlyt, is it giving an error message? ~11.18.47
1870~palfun-foslup@ are you running it in a bash shell? ~11.18.52
1871--------[5.510]
1872~palfun-foslup@ also, you don't need to pass in "options" literally, ~11.19.12
1873 just any options if you want to set them, or just
1874 "./configure" if none
1875~palfun-foslup@ that's very strange ~walter. it works fine for me, and ~11.19.56
1876 havne't seen that before
1877~borlyt-salnus@ yeah nothing seems to be working ~11.20.07
1878~walter-hinted@ Console says "~publish:1 Failed to load resource: the ~11.20.14
1879 server responded with a status of 500 (hosed)"
1880
1881~palfun-foslup@ hmm, i don't know enough about how to begin debugging ~11.21.42
1882 that, can you maybe file an issue on github?
1883--------[5.515]
1884~borlyt-salnus@ it just doesn't seem to have ./configure ~11.21.58
1885~borlyt-salnus@ on the urbit repo? ~11.22.09
1886~palfun-foslup@ an issue for the pblish stuff, on the urbit repo, yeah ~11.22.33
1887~palfun-foslup@ we can continue working on the nix stuff here for a ~11.22.38
1888 bit
1889~walter-hinted@ okay, I can do that ~11.22.55
1890--------[5.520]
1891~palfun-foslup@ ~borlyt, did you try running ./bootstrap.sh yet? ~11.23.15
1892~palfun-foslup@ it's listed below the other instructions, but ~11.23.23
1893 apparently needs to be run first
1894~borlyt-salnus@ ./bootstrap.sh: 4: exec: autoreconf: not found ~11.24.02
1895~borlyt-salnus@ when running bootstrap ~11.24.06
1896~palfun-foslup@ sounds like a missing dependency that you need to ~11.24.48
1897 install
1898--------[5.525]
1899~palfun-foslup@ try making sure you have all the listed prerequisites ~11.25.32
1900 installed (use your package manager), and maybe do a
1901 web search for autoreconf installation if that doesn't
1902 resolve it
1903~risruc-habteb@ what package manager are you on? ~11.25.55
1904~borlyt-salnus@ apt ~11.26.05
1905~risruc-habteb@ have you installed build-essential or similar? ~11.26.11
1906~risruc-habteb@ apt-get install build-essential ~11.26.30
1907--------[5.530]
1908~borlyt-salnus@ yep already had that ~11.26.46
1909~risruc-habteb@ figured. hm. ~11.27.01
1910~risruc-habteb@ apt-get install autoconf ~11.28.09
1911~borlyt-salnus@ ah didn't have that one ~11.29.13
1912~borlyt-salnus@ the bootstrap runs a bit better now ~11.32.39
1913--------[5.535]
1914~borlyt-salnus@ configure.ac:115: error: possibly undefined macro: ~11.33.57
1915 AC_MSG_ERROR
1916 If this token and others are
1917 legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
1918 See the
1919 Autoconf documentation.
1920 autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf
1921 failed with exit status: 1
1922~risruc-habteb@ i'm all out of help on this one. good luck!@ ~11.34.32
1923~borlyt-salnus@ do you think an issue on github or emailing urbit ~11.37.43
1924 support might help here
1925~risruc-habteb@ perhaps. but as you know ARM is not officially ~11.39.39
1926 supported now. I know they'd like to make it work
1927 eventually.
1928~risruc-habteb@ also some people have had more like ~11.39.48
1929--------[5.540]
1930~risruc-habteb@ you might ask over here: ~11.39.57
1931~risruc-habteb@ ~botter-nidnul/extreme-urbiting ~11.40.00
1932~palfun-foslup@ you might be better off asking nix people ~11.42.15
1933~palfun-foslup@ wherever they gather ~11.42.18
1934~palfun-foslup@ or maybe a generic unix support place. maybe others in ~11.43.19
1935 u-h have deeper knowledge here, but i'm getting out of
1936 my depth also. just googling things for you at this
1937 point (^:
1938--------[5.545]
1939~palfun-foslup@ only rec i have is running autoreconf --install ~11.44.20
1940~botter-nidnul@ what type of Pi are you you running ~borlyt-salnus? ~11.56.52
1941~borlyt-salnus@ i think a 3 ~12.00.45
1942~botter-nidnul@ what does running "uname -m" output? ~12.01.31
1943~borlyt-salnus@ armv71 ~12.01.51
1944--------[5.550]
1945~botter-nidnul@ I thinks the easiest thing to do would be to change ~12.04.57
1946 the distro running on the pi. I think most of the 3s
1947 can run in aarch64 mode, which nix supports, and
1948 getting urbit to build on is as simple as make and
1949 make install
1950~botter-nidnul/_github.com ~12.05.40
1951~risruc-habteb@ i knew you were the guy, ~botter ~12.06.20
1952~risruc-habteb@ although, not until i looked up your channel. ~12.06.40
1953~borlyt-salnus@ that works i guess ~12.11.59
1954--------[5.555]
1955~borlyt-salnus@ which channel is that? ~12.14.05
1956~botter-nidnul@ I think it's possible in principle to get nix and ~12.16.27
1957 urbit running on armv71 (as long as the chip isn't
1958 running in big endian mode) but the easier (maybe
1959 that's the wrong word, maybe "less circuitous" is
1960 better), more supported path would be to unlock the
1961 full 64bit power of the raspberry pi by changing the
1962 operating system
1963~botter-nidnul@ ~botter-nidnul/extreme-urbiting ~12.18.18
1964~midlyx-hatrys@ doesn't the great and sophisticated build system ~12.51.21
1965 support cross-compilation?
1966~botter-nidnul@ In theory. But I can't get even make release to work, ~13.00.33
1967 and that's for a native build. (it doesn't like the
1968 configured version of linux headers, and once you fix
1969 that it then breaks on openssl, I think because perl
1970 isn't listed as a build dependency)
1971--------[5.560]
1972~midlyx-hatrys@ another tack would be bringing up some ARM linux ~13.29.50
1973 distro in Qemu and try to build stuff there
1974~midlyx-hatrys@ ARM-on-Qemu-on-X86-64 performs surprisingly decently ~13.30.37
1975~havhul_marzod@ hello ~14.12.51
1976~havhul_marzod@ hello ~14.12.52
1977~palfun-foslup@ hi ~havhul! ~14.13.11
1978--------[5.565]
1979~havhul_marzod@ hello ~14.13.44
1980~havhul_marzod@ join ~dopzod/urbit-help ~14.14.12
1981~tadtyc-winwet@ you're aleady joined ~14.17.15
1982~timluc-miptev@ I tried to enable dns, and now my dojo prompt keeps ~14.27.54
1983 giving me `%dy-edit-busy` whenever I try to do
1984 anything
1985~timluc-miptev@ Any ideas how to stop that? ~14.28.10
1986--------[5.570]
1987~batbus-finfyn@ Hmmmm... Let me think. I had this before too. It was ~14.30.00
1988 something about %acme I think.
1989~batbus-finfyn@ You have to start %acme I think. ~14.30.08
1990~batbus-finfyn@ Let me see if I can scroll back through my command ~14.30.48
1991 history and see if I can get it.
1992~rabsef-bicrym@ I got a weird different segfault at events.c:129 ~14.31.56
1993 (think old one was 0x159?)
1994~batbus-finfyn@ My urbit keeps crashing. ~14.33.07
1995--------[5.575]
1996~batbus-finfyn@ Every since 0.10.0 and 0.10.1 ~14.33.17
1997~batbus-finfyn@ On ubuntu linux. ~14.33.23
1998~rabsef-bicrym@ Timluc - I had same, but I think waiting fixed - just ~14.33.34
1999 takes a while to get the ack
2000~batbus-finfyn@ ~rabsef ~14.35.00
2001~batbus-finfyn@ |start %acme ~14.35.01
2002--------[5.580]
2003~batbus-finfyn@ :acme %retry ~14.35.08
2004~batbus-finfyn@ Maybe try those. Doing that got me back online with ~14.35.20
2005 SSL.
2006~batbus-finfyn@ I also cannot get the OTA updates. ~14.35.57
2007~timluc-miptev@ ok thanks ~rabsef and ~batbus, I'll keep checking ~14.47.18
2008~fabled-faster/ https://twitter.com/jack/status/1204766078468911106 ~14.55.01
2009--------[5.585]
2010~fabled-faster@ anyone see this? ~14.55.11
2011~lapfur-mogpet@ Hi all, super exciting project! Is the arvo.network ~14.57.22
2012 feature workign?
2013~fabled-faster@ howdy! ~15.04.40
2014~fabled-faster@ yeah, you can get that to function if you set up your ~15.05.01
2015 dns
2016~fabled-faster@ if you press “/“ on the docs site and search for dns, ~15.05.42
2017 you should get the correct docs entry that outlines
2018 how to set up dns
2019--------[5.590]
2020~nidsyp-widsum@ I have heard it said that those dns requests must be ~15.08.24
2021 manually approved, while in that %dy-edit-busy state
2022~ponmep-litsem@ Anyone else has problems with webchat not having ~15.14.30
2023 scroll?
2024~ponmep-litsem@ It happens randomly for me ~15.14.37
2025~palfun-foslup@ it's known broken in firefox, at least ~15.14.59
2026~botter-nidnul@ ~timluc-miptev press backspace to get out of ~15.15.02
2027 `%dy-edit-busy`
2028--------[5.595]
2029~palfun-foslup@ i'll try and fullfil that dns request rn ~15.15.17
2030~lapfur-mogpet@ ok, I think I got the dns working setup, but it didn't ~15.15.37
2031 seem to complete.
2032~lapfur-mogpet@ now I get some `%dy-edit-busy` messages in the dojo, ~15.16.07
2033 can't enter any new commands
2034~ponmep-litsem@ ~palfun, exactly, firefox it is ~15.16.29
2035~botter-nidnul@ backspace ~lapfur-mogpet ~15.16.40
2036--------[5.600]
2037~lapfur-mogpet@ ah, that helps, thanks! ~15.17.08
2038~posmyn-radwyx@ how do i subscribe to notebooks? i tryed :publish ~15.21.52
2039 &publish-action [%subscribe ...] in dojo but nothing
2040 happens
2041~palfun-foslup@ alright all outstanding dns requests have been ~15.25.39
2042 fulfilled. thanks for patience!
2043~palfun-foslup@ ~posmyn, you can try the shorter :publish|subscribe ~15.26.37
2044 ~host-ship %notebook-name
2045~palfun-foslup@ it doesn't print an ack or anything, but if it worked ~15.27.00
2046 you should see it appear in the web ui
2047--------[5.605]
2048~palfun-foslup@ if the host ship is offline/not responding, then it ~15.27.11
2049 might be a while before it shows up
2050~lapfur-mogpet@ Ah I got it to work on arvo.network. I had to use ~15.30.56
2051 Chromium. In the CLI there didn't seem to be any
2052 response from ~zod, just the cryptic %dy-edit-busy
2053 error (which I understand now^^)
2054~palfun-foslup@ ~lapfur i don't think it's browser dependent. it's ~15.32.42
2055 just that i just now fulfilled your request (;
2056~lapfur-mogpet@ hahah alpha, got it^^ ~15.33.03
2057~sillus-mallus@ you terminate a ?| with ==, right? ~15.35.13
2058--------[5.610]
2059~dinlut-fablyn@ :acme %retry ~15.36.48
2060~palfun-foslup@ correct ~15.36.50
2061~lapfur-mogpet@ should I worry about the arvo.network not being ssl? ~15.43.20
2062 Or is the passcode entry only client side?
2063~botter-nidnul@ ~lapfur-mogpet because you backspaced out of ~15.48.57
2064 -dns-address setup of ssl didn't complete once ~zod
2065 granted your dns request. run :acme %retry to get your
2066 ssl certficate, but be warned that you may experience
2067 seg faults
2068~palfun-foslup@ ~lapfur if you want you can run |start %acme and maybe ~15.49.00
2069 :acme %retry as described above, to try getting an ssl
2070 cert
2071--------[5.615]
2072~lapfur-mogpet@ oh i see. It created one on port 443, but not for port ~16.04.25
2073 80, even after reboot
2074~timluc-miptev@ custom DNS is working now for me, thanks ~palfun ~16.07.07
2075~botter-nidnul@ I may be misunderstanding ~lapfur-mogpet but I think ~16.12.54
2076 that's normal. https runs on port 443, http on 80
2077~lapfur-mogpet@ hmmm i opened port 443. I can get an unsecure page ~16.16.11
2078 from port 80 and nothing from port 443. maybe I'm
2079 missing a noob step?
2080~palfun-foslup@ i think there might be conditions under which urbit ~16.18.07
2081 uses different ports? it should print them out
2082 on-boot/on-bind
2083--------[5.620]
2084~lapfur-mogpet@ ~botter, you're right: 443 for https (learning ~16.22.41
2085 something new everyday)
2086~botter-nidnul@ it works for me ~16.22.43
2087~botter-nidnul/ https://lapfur-mogpet.arvo.network ~16.22.54
2088~batbus-finfyn@ If something is already on 443 it will automatically ~16.23.00
2089 run on another port right? But I forget which.
2090~batbus-finfyn@ Maybe it was 8080? ~16.23.06
2091--------[5.625]
2092~lapfur-mogpet@ that being said, I still can't get ssl to show up in ~16.24.23
2093 the browser, maybe I am missing something on the Linux
2094 side?
2095~lapfur-mogpet@ ~batbus, right right, but URbit is reporting 80 for ~16.27.08
2096 insecure and 443 for secure traffic (in linux I
2097 `setcap` to give urbit permissions to run on 80)
2098~batbus-finfyn@ Do you have to do setcap for port 443 too? ~16.27.44
2099~botter-nidnul@ when I go to https://lapfur-mogpet.arvo.network I see ~16.27.56
2100 the lockpad in the navigation bar, it says connection
2101 is secure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2102~lapfur-mogpet@ `$ sudo setcap 'cap_net_bind_service=+ep' ~/urbit` ~16.28.05
2103--------[5.630]
2104~lapfur-mogpet@ is the command I used. is there a setting to specify a ~16.28.39
2105 port, it seemd to just allow non root to run ports
2106 under 1000 (as I understand it)
2107~lapfur-mogpet@ ohhhh interesting. ~16.29.04
2108~lapfur-mogpet@ hmmm, lemme turn everything on and then back on again. ~16.29.30
2109 brb
2110~botter-nidnul@ yes, that setcap command allows urbit to bind to ports ~16.30.18
2111 <1024. both 80 and 443 are covered by that command
2112~napter-matnep@ Any notification system for urbit in plans? It's hard ~16.30.29
2113 to follow up on conversations between many channels.
2114--------[5.635]
2115~fabled-faster@ yes ~16.32.23
2116~fabled-faster@ there is ~16.32.40
2117~fabled-faster@ and I feel you - there are many improvements to be ~16.33.18
2118 made with respect to this
2119~fabled-faster@ i mean “presence” in general ~16.38.16
2120~lapfur-mogpet@ AH-HA! if you prepend the ~name.arvo.network with ~16.39.33
2121 https:// it serves the ssl site, but does not redirect
2122 if you do not prepend it explicitly!
2123--------[5.640]
2124~lapfur-mogpet@ Nuance is a noobies worst nightmare. (though it would ~16.43.29
2125 be a noob problem^^)
2126~hanryc-tirpur@ . ~17.31.15
2127~rabsef-bicrym@ For a person with an invite code, do they get a master ~17.52.34
2128 ticket or an "activation invite" - trying to direct
2129 them on where to go in bridge
2130~rabsef-bicrym@ Also sorry - I bought my planet so I never dealt w/ ~17.52.50
2131 this part
2132~palfun-foslup@ they need to do the activation flow, which will have ~17.53.04
2133 them make a master ticket
2134--------[5.645]
2135~rabsef-bicrym@ got it thanks ~17.53.13
2136~tidrel-tabpub@ hot damn, our lord and savior terry tao has made big ~17.54.37
2137 progress on the collatz conjecture
2138 https://www.quantamagazine.org/mathematician-terence-t
2139 ao-and-the-collatz-conjecture-20191211/
2140~tidrel-tabpub@ thats the one where "Take a number, any number. If ~17.54.50
2141 it’s even, halve it. If it’s odd, multiply by 3 and
2142 add 1. Repeat. Do all starting numbers lead to 1?
2143
2144 "
2145~fabled-faster@ Urbit OS 8:Final — ~17.54.52
2146 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOwgggz6FXw
2147~ravmel-ropdyl@ terry tao is indeed a baller ~17.55.06
2148--------[5.650]
2149~tidrel-tabpub@ i took graduate analysis with him, on top of being ~17.55.40
2150 level 1000000 researcher he is also a fantastic
2151 teacher
2152~ravmel-ropdyl/_paw.princeton.edu ~17.55.42
2153~ravmel-ropdyl@ wow that's amazing ~17.55.52
2154~fabled-faster@ so good ~17.55.57
2155~fabled-faster@ portrait ~17.56.04
2156--------[5.655]
2157~ravmel-ropdyl@ yeah, like ~17.56.08
2158~ravmel-ropdyl@ you can see the genius in his eyes ~17.56.17
2159~ravmel-ropdyl@ his writing an explanations are so good ~17.56.24
2160~ravmel-ropdyl@ i love listening to / reading him ~17.56.29
2161~tidrel-tabpub@ ahaha ~17.56.35
2162--------[5.660]
2163~ravmel-ropdyl@ what platform is this playonline thing for? ~17.57.18
2164~fabled-faster@ it was a launcher for a host of online services/games ~17.59.47
2165 Square Enix developed in the early 2000s
2166~fabled-faster@ it still exists for their legacy mmo ~18.00.00
2167~fabled-faster@ i was messing around with an install on a windows ~18.00.16
2168 machine last weekend, it's pretty magical
2169~fabled-faster@ dated, to be sure ~18.00.20
2170--------[5.665]
2171~fabled-faster@ but it feels nice to occupy as a space ~18.00.28
2172~haddef-sigwen@ when classes and skill trees ~18.02.09
2173~palfun-foslup@ ~fabled, ~haddef, pls design an urbit skill tree ~18.04.15
2174~fabled-faster@ don't fucking tempt me ~18.04.27
2175~palfun-foslup@ want to bootstrap myself up to galaxyhood ~18.04.32
2176--------[5.670]
2177~haddef-sigwen@ don’t fucking aggro me ~18.04.39
2178~fabled-faster@ !!!!!!! ~18.04.43
2179~palfun-foslup pulls ~18.04.48
2180~haddef-sigwen@ i spec’d in Naming and now I can make arms with single ~18.05.07
2181 character names
2182~haddef-sigwen@ my next landscape app is called A ~18.05.29
2183--------[5.675]
2184~risruc-habteb@ urbit skill tree will happen. guaranteed. ~18.05.43
2185~palfun-foslup@ i min-maxed into code style. all my programs look ~18.06.29
2186 gorgeous but they don't actualy do anything ):
2187~haddef-sigwen@ don’t say that. you can chat with them ~18.08.32
2188~risruc-habteb@ ~haddef i thought your next landscape app was called ~18.10.11
2189 dex
2190~risruc-habteb@ (as in rolodex, pokedex) ~18.10.19
2191--------[5.680]
2192~haddef-sigwen@ my next landscape app doesn’t have a name. it simply ~18.10.33
2193 is
2194~risruc-habteb@ i appreciate that. ~18.10.40
2195~fabled-faster@ wetware landscape app ~18.11.43
2196~fabled-faster@ Inject an App, Today! ~18.11.54
2197~master-morzod@ for anyone looking to build urbit on unsupported ~18.13.46
2198 platforms:
2199--------[5.685]
2200~master-morzod@ your best bet is probably going to be bypassing nix ~18.13.59
2201~master-morzod@ that means installing dependencies and configuring ~18.14.20
2202 your local environment, as nix would've handled
2203 automatically for you
2204~master-morzod@ i know at least one person has done this on openbsd ~18.14.39
2205~master-morzod@ the urbit binaries themselves build with a simple ~18.14.50
2206 makefile
2207~master-morzod@ and, if you're on a big-endian architecture, best to ~18.16.31
2208 not bother...
2209--------[5.690]
2210~littel-ponnys@ not just on a big-endian architecture, anything with a ~18.17.35
2211 page size or more strict alignment rules than x86
2212~master-morzod@ our pages sizes are "configurable" via a bunch of ~18.18.35
2213 #defines in the allocator header. but you're *way* off
2214 road at that point
2215~master-morzod@ i don't think anyone has tried in 3+ years ~18.18.45
2216~littel-ponnys@ afaict, changing the #defines wasn't enough. ~18.19.58
2217~littel-ponnys@ it's been a year, but there were manual math tweaks i ~18.20.20
2218 had to do.
2219--------[5.695]
2220~littel-ponnys@ and it still wasn't enough. ~18.20.26
2221~nomtep_marzod@ honk honk ~18.32.33
2222~ravmel-ropdyl@ honk ~18.42.46
2223~rabtus-lidtyn@ vroom vroom beep beep ~19.04.52
2224~rabtus-lidtyn@ i got one of those circle sigils ~19.05.37
2225--------[5.700]
2226~risruc-habteb@ it's no death star ~19.09.38
2227~risruc-habteb@ but it is nice. ~19.09.42
2228~ravmel-ropdyl@ the symmetry on the left is great ~19.09.51
2229~risruc-habteb@ wait. i mispelled millenium force. ~19.10.02
2230~ravmel-ropdyl@ ha you are the millenium falcon ~19.10.27
2231--------[5.705]
2232~risruc-habteb@ falcon. there it is. ~19.10.43
2233~rabtus-lidtyn@ its ok i hate star wars ~19.11.03
2234~risruc-habteb@ right. i'm not worried about losing too much cred on ~19.11.28
2235 that one here.
2236~lodleb-ritrul@ greetings ~19.20.12
2237~lodleb-ritrul@ hi ~19.20.16
2238--------[5.710]
2239~lodleb-ritrul@ hi ~19.25.07
2240~palfun-foslup@ the boy is back in town ~19.25.20
2241~ronreg-ribdev@ hello ~lodleb-ritrul ~19.26.42
2242~ronreg-ribdev@ The Lodleb Ritual ~19.26.53
2243~lodleb-ritrul@ that's me :^) ~19.27.48
2244--------[5.715]
2245~lodleb-ritrul@ ship.arvo.network isn't working for me ~19.28.36
2246~ravmel-ropdyl@ we really need that 'mark all as read' button ~19.28.59
2247~fabled-faster@ yeah ~19.29.29
2248~rovnys-ricfer@ welcome back, ~lodleb ~19.35.45
2249~poldec-tonteg@ lodleb have you requested DNS? ~19.36.09
2250--------[5.720]
2251~rovnys-ricfer@ ~lodleb you were asking about what would be needed to ~19.38.07
2252 get urbit running on a raspberry pi; there was some
2253 discussion of that in the scrollback here, including
2254 some insights from ~master and ~littel
2255~nidsyp-widsum@ Isn't x86 poison now? And how is compiling for ARM at ~19.41.54
2256 this point in time?
2257~sicdev-pilnup@ ~botter-nidnul/extreme-urbiting ~19.43.01
2258~sicdev-pilnup@ You'll probably get some answers there ~nidsyp ~19.43.16
2259~nidsyp-widsum@ Thanks! ~19.43.34
2260--------[5.725]
2261~lodleb-ritrul@ cool i'll take a look ~19.44.23
2262~bannum-magtus@ dot ~19.48.51
2263~bannum-magtus@ morning u-h ~19.48.55
2264~rovnys-ricfer@ morning, ~bannum ~19.49.32
2265~risruc-habteb@ morning magnus ~19.49.34
2266--------[5.730]
2267~bannum-magtus@ fun fact ~19.49.52
2268~bannum-magtus@ when choosing between my three options for planets ~19.50.00
2269~bannum-magtus@ i chose ~bannum-magtus because it sounded sorta ~19.50.12
2270 similar to Magnus Hammersmith
2271~rovnys-ricfer@ lol ~19.50.27
2272~risruc-habteb@ that's funny. i always thought of Magnus (the ~19.51.00
2273 magnoceros). but figured that was just me.
2274--------[5.735]
2275~bannum-magtus@ Im not sure what that is :( ~19.55.28
2276~risruc-habteb@ dota 2 character. ~19.55.57
2277~bannum-magtus@ oh right ~19.57.08
2278~bannum-magtus@ I havent played D2 in years ~19.57.15
2279~ronreg-ribdev@ I use ronreg-ribdev becuase it was the first planet I ~19.57.59
2280 got
2281--------[5.740]
2282~ronreg-ribdev@ I have a few more planets now ,some of which have ~19.58.13
2283 punny names
2284~ronreg-ribdev@ but I'm used to this one, so I haven't switched to ~19.58.25
2285 another one
2286~ronreg-ribdev@ also my first name is Greg and that kinda sounds like ~19.58.42
2287 "ronreg", so
2288~bannum-magtus@ yeah im far too attached to the name ~bannum now to ~19.59.11
2289 ever switch
2290~bannum-magtus@ my only hope is that one day I actually own the star ~19.59.20
2291 ~bannum
2292--------[5.745]
2293~ronreg-ribdev@ I'm not sure what a ribdev is ~19.59.36
2294~ronreg-ribdev@ a developer of ribs? ~19.59.40
2295~bannum-magtus@ thats just what gamers call a surgeon ~19.59.53
2296~fabled-faster@ ~bannum has a similar energy to "Duke Nukem" ~20.01.59
2297~minder-folden@ ~bannum, I saw a lot of "you're ok, you're not ok." ~20.04.02
2298 You ok?
2299--------[5.750]
2300~lodleb-ritrul@ oh right i forgot ~20.04.40
2301~bannum-magtus@ Im doing alright ~20.09.14
2302~bannum-magtus@ Im ok as one can be sitting at work with as little ~20.09.26
2303 sleep as I got last night
2304~minder-folden@ Whew ~20.09.26
2305~rabsef-bicrym@ |hi ~dopzod ~20.13.51
2306--------[5.755]
2307~rabsef-bicrym@ oops ~20.14.00
2308~minder-folden@ Everybody drink! ~20.14.14
2309~palfun-foslup@ i mean, you *did* just roundtrip to ~dopzod (^: ~20.14.22
2310~rovnys-ricfer@ "there is no user failure, only ui failure" ~20.15.53
2311~risruc-habteb@ btw, who came up with thatt ui failure quote? ~20.16.49
2312--------[5.760]
2313~rovnys-ricfer@ it was part of the old talkbot ~20.26.33
2314~rovnys-ricfer@ which desperately needs reincarnation ~20.26.43
2315~fabled-faster@ we were just discussing this yesterday ~20.27.40
2316~fabled-faster@ apart from being a nice presence, and fun to have ~20.27.54
2317 around
2318~fabled-faster@ talkbot was a pretty good informational utility ~20.28.01
2319--------[5.765]
2320~fabled-faster@ a more intentional infrastructure/tooling set for ~20.28.21
2321 in-chat commands + bots would be ideal
2322~fabled-faster@ i want a /help, /nicks, /remind, etc ~20.28.51
2323~bannum-magtus@ I tried to reincarnate the talkbot code but I was too ~20.31.26
2324 smol brain to understand some of it :(
2325~rovnys-ricfer@ does anyone know where it is in git? ~20.32.02
2326~haddef-sigwen/ https://github.com/Fang-/talkbot ~20.34.51
2327--------[5.770]
2328~haddef-sigwen@ I think ~20.34.52
2329~haddef-sigwen@ might just be v1 ~20.35.34
2330~palfun-foslup@ yeah that's the one. i think v2 is on there ~20.38.01
2331~palfun-foslup@ i have it on my todo list for the holidays ~20.38.09
2332~migtem_marzod@ Is sleep on that todo list? ~20.38.32
2333--------[5.775]
2334~palfun-foslup@ never ~20.38.43
2335~migtem_marzod@ Thought so ~20.38.59
2336~winseg-ravtuc@ Hey guys! :) ~20.39.14
2337~migtem_marzod@ Hey ~winseg ~20.40.32
2338~minder-folden@ Hey ~winseg, how are you? ~20.40.34
2339--------[5.780]
2340~winseg-ravtuc@ Hey ~migtem and ~minder! I am amazed that my planet is ~20.42.00
2341 finally running and working!
2342~winseg-ravtuc@ I couldn`t connect to any chat a few weeks back. ~20.42.21
2343~minder-folden@ Pre-breach madness. We've all forgotten about that now ~20.42.52
2344 in the time of the good Era.
2345~winseg-ravtuc@ How is it going for you guys? What are you guys ~20.42.54
2346 working on right now?
2347~winseg-ravtuc@ I love the new chat app :) ~20.43.18
2348--------[5.785]
2349~minder-folden@ Proposals, just signed a speaking gig for next week, ~20.43.20
2350 so that's cool. Painting between emails. The usual.
2351~migtem_marzod@ At work being distracted by urbit :P ~20.43.51
2352~winseg-ravtuc@ Urbit Proposals? ~20.44.09
2353~winseg-ravtuc@ ~migtem, why is your name so long ? ~20.44.28
2354 (~migtem-sogdec-mictyn-rapryx--noltex-motmev-falsyt-ma
2355 rzod)
2356~migtem_marzod@ I'm a lowly comet ~20.44.50
2357--------[5.790]
2358~rabsef-bicrym@ a beautiful newborn ~20.45.45
2359~winseg-ravtuc@ got it, so ~migtem-sogdec is your planet name and the ~20.45.55
2360 rest is a name for your comet?
2361~rabsef-bicrym@ comet names are randomly generated and "mined" at boot ~20.46.17
2362 if you don't point to a pier
2363~rabsef-bicrym@ moons are descendents of planets - and have longer ~20.46.30
2364 names
2365~migtem_marzod@ Seemed like a good place to start and at least be on ~20.46.34
2366 network to talk to people
2367--------[5.795]
2368~migtem_marzod@ and being able to play with dojo to try and learn hoon ~20.47.09
2369~winseg-ravtuc@ what is the difference between moons and comets? ~20.47.10
2370~winseg-ravtuc@ yeah, ~migtem! I am planning to learn hoon too! ~20.47.38
2371~migtem_marzod@ Check out the hoon school sign up thing on the ~20.48.16
2372 website. Another session is starting in Jan some time.
2373~fabled-faster@ comets have no 'sponsor' ships, they are free agents ~20.48.27
2374 on the network so to speak
2375--------[5.800]
2376~ravmel-ropdyl@ a moon is issued by a planet, so it has a sponsor ~20.48.28
2377~ravmel-ropdyl@ a comet is basically a random / anonymous identity ~20.48.36
2378~ravmel-ropdyl@ moons can't change sponsors, they're always tied to ~20.48.50
2379 their planet
2380~winseg-ravtuc@ yeah will do! I actually planned to participate a few ~20.48.54
2381 weeks back but I had issues even connecting to chats
2382~ravmel-ropdyl@ moons are, generally, for devices etc ~20.49.02
2383--------[5.805]
2384~bannum-magtus@ oh hey welcome aboard ~winseg ~20.49.03
2385~winseg-ravtuc@ Hey ~bannum and thanks for your help <3 ~20.49.26
2386~migtem_marzod@ comets are more or less throw aways arent they? ~20.49.33
2387~minder-folden@ ~winseg, not urbit proposals. My own work; I hang out ~20.50.00
2388 here between productivity spikes.
2389~migtem_marzod@ and so we can give you ideas to keep your todo list ~20.50.20
2390 impossibly long
2391--------[5.810]
2392~winseg-ravtuc@ can anyone give me a futuristic reason for using a ~20.51.16
2393 comet instead of a moon/planet ?
2394~bannum-magtus@ ~migtem: no throwaways! ~20.54.10
2395~bannum-magtus@ I wrote a notebook post about that ~20.54.18
2396~fabled-faster@ ~wigseg: completely anonymous ~20.55.04
2397 communities/participation
2398~fabled-faster@ bots, automated services ~20.55.11
2399--------[5.815]
2400~bannum-magtus@ If anyone else would like an invite? ~20.55.18
2401~fabled-faster@ 'delivery' mechanisms ~20.55.19
2402~fabled-faster@ etc. ~20.55.24
2403~migtem_marzod@ Interesting usecases ~21.01.07
2404~rabsef-bicrym@ also just for free trying of the system. like you're ~21.01.52
2405 doing now - I think that use case maintains into
2406 future
2407--------[5.820]
2408~rabsef-bicrym@ it's definitely less sexy than an anonymous heterodox ~21.02.19
2409 community
2410~migtem_marzod@ While urbit is growing, being able to try it out for ~21.13.09
2411 free is a very nice feature.
2412~migtem_marzod@ I'd never really considered an anonymous use case. ~21.13.48
2413 Certainly opens up options and additional problems
2414~wolsec-dasneb@ Hello world! ~21.21.58
2415~minder-folden@ ~wolsec, welcome to Mars ~21.26.53
2416--------[5.825]
2417~winseg-ravtuc@ Hello ~wolsec :) ~21.27.12
2418~rabsef-bicrym@ Hey wolsec ~21.29.50
2419~rabsef-bicrym@ I keep hoping that new names are the 3 people I've ~21.30.57
2420 invited. Whoever was working on the identity
2421 management app; I need it. I would like to be able to
2422 cross associate names of natural people to planets
2423 lest I think of all of you as your planet name only
2424~rabsef-bicrym@ I've already seen 2 of them online but I forgot their ~21.31.15
2425 handle lol
2426~minder-folden@ I am my planet name. X^D ~21.31.26
2427--------[5.830]
2428~rabsef-bicrym@ That's fair - maybe we all will be some day. Names ~21.31.57
2429 are arbitrary anyway. But I do believe in nominitive
2430 determinism
2431~rabsef-bicrym@ that's why I changed my real name to Cool Dude ~21.32.10
2432 McLotsofFriends
2433~minder-folden@ You can turn on nicknames. Then, if someone updates ~21.32.10
2434 their own nickname, you'll see it in client.
2435~rabsef-bicrym@ oh nice - I don't think I knew that ~21.32.28
2436~minder-folden@ ~rabsef, you got a genuine lol over here. ~21.32.31
2437--------[5.835]
2438~rabsef-bicrym@ lol nice! ~21.32.45
2439~rabsef-bicrym@ I mean we need look no further than "P.C. Monk" for ~21.33.16
2440 evidence of nominitive determinism
2441~rabsef-bicrym@ I wonder if he'd be good at computers.... ~21.33.24
2442~wolsec-dasneb@ This is me: ~21.33.31
2443 https://twitter.com/bendavenport/status/12045406489105
2444 73568
2445~rabsef-bicrym@ Oh - Welcome then. I know several people were excited ~21.34.08
2446 about you joining
2447--------[5.840]
2448~rabsef-bicrym@ That tweet made the rounds earlier today :) ~21.35.05
2449~minder-folden@ Glad to have you in here, ~wolsec. ~21.35.31
2450~littel-ponnys@ nice ~21.35.48
2451~palfun-foslup@ does this mean we're in the big leagues now ~21.37.26
2452~wolsec-dasneb@ I've been involved as investor since long time ago... ~21.38.05
2453 2012?
2454--------[5.845]
2455~palfun-foslup@ urbit was the big league all along! ~21.38.29
2456~palfun-foslup@ cool to finally have you on here then (: ~21.38.42
2457~minder-folden@ IsThisTheBigLeagueButterflyMeme.jpg ~21.39.12
2458~wolsec-dasneb@ Finally got easy enough for me to get on board that I ~21.39.15
2459 decided to give it a try
2460~risruc-habteb@ how does it feel? ~21.39.54
2461
2462--------[5.850]
2463~minder-folden@ ~wolsec, there are some robust notebooks if you're ~21.40.39
2464 looking for content to engage with aside from
2465 chatting.
2466~wolsec-dasneb@ Sure, content would be great! ~21.41.23
2467~wolsec-dasneb@ It's hard not knowing who anyone is. Strong ~21.41.58
2468 cryptographic identities, but no directory?
2469~wannex-wittec@ how come I lose sync with chats for so long? and so ~21.42.27
2470 often?
2471~minder-folden@ Discoverability is low on purpose. Makes connections ~21.42.34
2472 more intentional, and there are some double opt-in
2473 dynamics that I particually like.
2474--------[5.855]
2475~wannex-wittec@ sometimes a chat will go 5 or 10 mins with no msgs on ~21.42.51
2476 my end and then all of a sudden they're spammed
2477~wannex-wittec@ even though i can usually hi the parent ~21.43.03
2478~palfun-foslup@ ~wannex, i see that too sometimes, but not _super_ ~21.43.22
2479 frequently
2480~palfun-foslup@ guessing some part of the route is being slow to ~21.43.32
2481 respond..
2482~rovnys-ricfer@ ~wannex how often is this happening to you? ~21.43.40
2483--------[5.860]
2484~rovnys-ricfer@ ~wolsec welcome ~21.43.47
2485~wannex-wittec@ pretty frequently, on different chats ~21.44.09
2486~minder-folden@ ~wolsec, put this into your dojo and hit enter. It ~21.44.13
2487 will subscribe you to a notebook that lists the
2488 notebooks that are publicly available:
2489~minder-folden@ :publish|subscribe ~wicdev-wisryt %bulletin-board ~21.44.17
2490~risruc-habteb@ it takes less time that you'd think to start ~21.44.25
2491 associating people with their handles.
2492--------[5.865]
2493~wannex-wittec@ usually it's nopub, i think i may be far away from ~21.44.31
2494 paldev
2495~risruc-habteb@ certainly it's easier than remembering their raw ~21.44.40
2496 address numbers.
2497~risruc-habteb# `@`~risruc-habteb ~21.44.50
2498~wannex-wittec@ but it doesn't make sense when i'm able to ping the ~21.44.51
2499 star i can't grab the messages
2500~minder-folden@ ~wannex, are you using landscape, or the client ~21.45.28
2501 mostly?
2502--------[5.870]
2503~rovnys-ricfer@ ~wannex there are multiple "flows" for each ~21.45.52
2504 ship-to-ship ames connection, so it might be the case
2505 that the |hi flow is working fine, but the chat
2506 channel's flow is getting stuck for some reason
2507~rovnys-ricfer@ have you seen any stack traces or errors? ~21.46.03
2508~wolsec-dasneb@ !risruc: but how do you get a mapping in the first ~21.47.02
2509 place? one by one? that seems incredibly inefficient
2510~rovnys-ricfer@ ~wicdev or ~palfun, do you know if we've deployed ~21.47.26
2511 ~wicdev's assertion and fix for that ames bug that was
2512 causing stuck flows?
2513~rovnys-ricfer@ if not, maybe ~wannex was hitting that ~21.47.33
2514--------[5.875]
2515~rovnys-ricfer@ ~wolsec I believe there's a contacts app in the works ~21.47.55
2516~rovnys-ricfer@ I mostly know urbit people by their urbit address, ~21.48.02
2517 actually
2518~palfun-foslup@ ~rovnys, ~wicdev ota'd the forwarding fix last night, ~21.48.12
2519 but idk about the stuck flows bug
2520~palfun-foslup@ i don't think that's live yet ~21.48.26
2521~rovnys-ricfer@ ok ~21.49.10
2522--------[5.880]
2523~wannex-wittec@ hm interesting ~21.49.52
2524~rovnys-ricfer@ ~wannex, there are some diagnostics you can run to ~21.50.17
2525 help figure out what's going on
2526~rovnys-ricfer@ +timers ~21.51.17
2527~rovnys-ricfer@ now ~21.51.20
2528~rovnys-ricfer@ then try running ~21.51.43
2529--------[5.885]
2530~rovnys-ricfer@ |ames-verb %snd ~21.51.44
2531~rovnys-ricfer@ for a couple minutes ~21.51.47
2532~wannex-wittec@ hmm.. ill look into reading that output when i'm back ~21.52.02
2533 from lunch
2534~wannex-wittec@ thx ~21.52.03
2535~rovnys-ricfer@ sounds good, ~wannex ~21.56.05
2536--------[5.890]
2537~wicdev-wisryt@ ~rovnys, no, the stuck flows fix has not been OTA'd ~21.56.41
2538~wicdev-wisryt@ i thought an OTA was going out soon, but it hasn't yet ~21.57.04
2539~rovnys-ricfer@ ok ~21.57.44
2540~wicdev-wisryt@ we could determine whether there's a stuck flow by ~21.58.29
2541 running +timers on ~dopzod and seeing if it's waiting
2542 for /a/pump/~wannex-wittec
2543~rovnys-ricfer@ ok, giving that a shot ~22.00.50
2544--------[5.895]
2545~rovnys-ricfer@ on an amtrak presently, so we'll see how well ssh ~22.01.04
2546 works
2547~posput-borfes@ probably like shit /lol/. I am never ever EVER going ~22.02.51
2548 to get on an Amtrak anything ever again.
2549~rovnys-ricfer/ https://pastebin.com/y7DqdqCd ~22.03.13
2550~rovnys-ricfer@ (from ~dopzod) ~22.03.17
2551~rovnys-ricfer@ I count 6 timers for ~wannex ~22.03.37
2552--------[5.900]
2553~rovnys-ricfer@ out of ... a lot of timers ~22.03.56
2554~palfun-foslup@ i am going on an amtrak in january ~posput, you're ~22.04.07
2555 scaring me
2556~rovnys-ricfer@ might be time to check whether behn's linear ~22.04.26
2557 complexity is starting to become a problem
2558~rovnys-ricfer@ (we could use ames's ordered-map data structure for it ~22.04.44
2559 just fine, which shouldn't be too hard)
2560~rovnys-ricfer@ that would bring it down to log(n) ~22.04.56
2561--------[5.905]
2562~palfun-foslup@ ~rovnys i don't think it matters but that's 3 timers i ~22.04.56
2563 think
2564~rovnys-ricfer@ oh ~22.05.02
2565~rovnys-ricfer@ thx ~22.05.05
2566~rovnys-ricfer@ I failed Counting 101 ~22.05.36
2567~rovnys-ricfer@ or was it 201 ~22.05.38
2568--------[5.910]
2569~palfun-foslup@ this is defintely 301 material ~22.05.46
2570~palfun-foslup@ duplicate content can bite you like that ~22.06.04
2571~rovnys-ricfer@ I want us to switch our generators that produce a ~22.11.55
2572 $tang to produce a manipulable data structure instead
2573~rovnys-ricfer@ +timers should produce a list of timers ~22.12.00
2574~rovnys-ricfer@ so that I can check its length in dojo ~22.12.05
2575--------[5.915]
2576~rovnys-ricfer@ for example ~22.12.10
2577~posput-borfes@ I used to do the SJ->SF commute in a literal ~22.12.46
2578 junkyard-acquired salvage Trans Am with a bolted-on
2579 7-liter engine. It's hard to describe the experience
2580 because no cars in the last 30 years could demo it to
2581 you. That said, I decided to stop commuting because I
2582 saw people typing on steering wheel-bolted laptop
2583 stands, shaving, and putting on lipstick (all the
2584 while looking at the rear view mirrors as pretty-up
2585 assist) in 280 South.
2586
2587 No, fuck that, your car has
2588 crumple zones, but I am not going to be edged off the
2589 freeway by you forgetting to turn left cos your
2590 lipstick was important to you, bitch.
2591~rovnys-ricfer@ ideally without requiring a custom mark for each ~22.12.49
2592 generator result
2593~rovnys-ricfer@ whoa, sounds like you've got some road rage, ~posput ~22.13.37
2594~rovnys-ricfer@ this amtrak is quite nice so far, can't really ~22.14.42
2595 complain
2596--------[5.920]
2597~posput-borfes@ That was back in 2010-2011. I like driving (except ~22.14.43
2598 for commuting, 80 minutes each way was too much) but I
2599 don't drive anymore. Now I take the placed SBB CFF
2600 FFS anywhere it'll take me (usually to my gf's place).
2601~posput-borfes@ s/placed/placid/ ~22.15.02
2602~risruc-habteb@ ~posput, you're quite upset by people farding and ~22.18.32
2603 driving.
2604~risruc-habteb@ and rightly so. ~22.18.55
2605~rovnys-ricfer@ the worst drivers I've seen are in eastern Texas and ~22.28.13
2606 Virginia Beach, VA
2607--------[5.925]
2608~posput-borfes@ Used to be. :-). Now all I drive is rentals.
2609
2610 I miss ~22.28.22
2611 my old car.
2612~rovnys-ricfer@ I love my car; I've had it for almost fifteen years. ~22.29.59
2613 It's been with me to Maine, Montreal, Key West,
2614 Chicago, SF, LA, various deserts ...
2615~posput-borfes@ I did end up buying a new car at some point while on ~22.30.08
2616 the Bay area.
2617~posput-borfes@ ~rovnys keep it. it'll be there for you. ~22.30.30
2618~rovnys-ricfer@ when I escaped from SF I took all my belongings with ~22.30.34
2619 me in my car
2620--------[5.930]
2621~posput-borfes@ trailer or no trailer needed? ~22.30.48
2622~posput-borfes@ when I flew out it was 99 boxes. ~22.30.57
2623~rovnys-ricfer@ nope ~22.30.59
2624~posput-borfes@ nice ~22.31.38
2625~rovnys-ricfer@ I did have to raise my joy-sparking threshold a few ~22.33.47
2626 times
2627--------[5.935]
2628~risruc-habteb@ I was hoping for more fanfare over "farding" ~22.35.33
2629~rabsef-bicrym@ firend in maxos gets this when attempting tar package ~22.39.39
2630~rabsef-bicrym/ https://postimg.cc/Cz7KRQmx ~22.39.50
2631~rabsef-bicrym@ wat mean ~22.39.55
2632~rabsef-bicrym@ i think perms? ~22.40.08
2633--------[5.940]
2634~rabsef-bicrym@ dangerously driving while urbiting. but actually im in ~22.40.37
2635 gridlock so its cool
2636~palfun-foslup@ probably ~22.40.51
2637~palfun-foslup@ don't urbit and drive! ~22.40.55
2638~palfun-foslup@ that's weird though, if he could downlaod the tar ~22.41.49
2639 there, i'd expect no problems unpacking it in-place
2640~rabsef-bicrym@ agree - worry he has wromg package like linux one. ~22.46.04
2641 possible?
2642--------[5.945]
2643~sillus-mallus@ wooo i finally got hoon.vim working after realizing i ~22.46.21
2644 needed the ftdetect/hoon.vim file as well
2645~sillus-mallus@ thank you vimwiki ~22.46.28
2646~sillus-mallus@ /syntaxboys/ ~22.46.43
2647~wicdev-wisryt@ do you not use Plug? ~22.48.06
2648~rabsef-bicrym@ there is a hoon.vim? this makes vim color stuff ~22.48.57
2649 nicely?
2650--------[5.950]
2651~wannex-wittec@ what's vim ~22.49.34
2652~wannex-wittec@ sounds like a nano clone ~22.49.38
2653~wicdev-wisryt@ ~rabsef yes: ~22.53.03
2654~wicdev-wisryt/ https://github.com/urbit/hoon.vim ~22.53.05
2655~wicdev-wisryt@ it's also got some optional language server stuff ~22.53.29
2656--------[5.955]
2657~wicdev-wisryt@ where it'll use your running urbit for context-aware ~22.53.44
2658 autocomplete
2659~rabsef-bicrym@ sick thank u ~22.54.28
2660~rabsef-bicrym@ i want to write tect gsme parser in hoon thrn restart ~22.55.39
2661 cadtle marrach kn urbit
2662~rabsef-bicrym@ jesus sorry. cant type on phone ~22.56.10
2663~sillus-mallus@ i am a brainlet who does not have the fancy plugins ~22.57.10
2664--------[5.960]
2665~rabsef-bicrym@ change frame of reference. u r a stoic who does not ~22.57.39
2666 need them
2667~sillus-mallus@ (saying it like "stoyke") i am a stoic who ~22.58.20
2668~rabsef-bicrym@ lol ~22.58.31
2669~rabsef-bicrym@ i have 3 new martians this week. what skill set fo we ~22.59.01
2670 need on here? i will find one and boot them
2671~rabsef-bicrym@ it is exciting to me to spread the good word of ~zod ~23.00.13
2672--------[5.965]
2673~sillus-mallus@ i am not sure what you are asking. is a skill set ~23.00.28
2674 required to use urbit? why am i still allowed to use
2675 it?
2676~sillus-mallus@ and you mean 'boot' as in 'start them up' not 'boot' ~23.00.55
2677 as in 'kick off people' right
2678~sillus-mallus@ the second one is an honest question ~23.01.13
2679~rabsef-bicrym@ lol i meant it flippantly but if i am allowed you ~23.01.15
2680 are.just want to use invites responsibly sd they were
2681 gifted to me
2682~sillus-mallus@ oh i see. do you have people in mind already who can ~23.01.45
2683 into func prog
2684--------[5.970]
2685~rabsef-bicrym@ and yes boot them up - start up. 2/3 of the ~23.02.23
2686 aforementioned are into such programming and 3 is a
2687 musician. someone said they wanted the music of urbit
2688~sillus-mallus@ thats more than enough qualifications i (who have ~23.03.19
2689 none) think
2690~rabsef-bicrym@ but i really wss just sort of kidding snd bragging ~23.03.28
2691 sbout getting new martians. my only criteria is that
2692 rheyre interested enough to get in here and chat at
2693 least
2694~sillus-mallus@ the docs appear to be really good and almost self ~23.03.34
2695 contained
2696~rabsef-bicrym@ yes its better documented than a lot of products. ~23.04.17
2697--------[5.975]
2698~sillus-mallus@ haha. well i think having a VPS with your planet on it ~23.04.22
2699 to ssh into is good practice
2700~haddef-sigwen@ aww ~23.04.25
2701~haddef-sigwen@ people are saying the docs are good, I like this ~23.04.38
2702~palfun-foslup@ bring the musician on! ~23.04.59
2703~palfun-foslup@ and then get the other two to make a simple synth app ~23.05.24
2704 (^:
2705--------[5.980]
2706~rabsef-bicrym@ i am trying. he is macos man with issue ~23.05.32
2707~palfun-foslup@ ah ~23.05.39
2708~rabsef-bicrym@ lol i bet i could pay them to make the synth tho. ~23.06.00
2709 thatd be sick
2710~palfun-foslup@ doesn't archive utility.app also unpack .tar files? ~23.06.06
2711 could try just using that
2712~rabsef-bicrym@ will ask him ~23.06.21
2713--------[5.985]
2714~palfun-foslup@ ie just double-click it in finder ~23.06.43
2715~sillus-mallus@ i think it does ~23.08.09
2716~rabsef-bicrym@ this is a dumb question but why no windows .exe? ~23.09.20
2717~wannex-wittec@ windows sucks(tm) ~23.10.09
2718~palfun-foslup@ urbit wasn't built to run on windows ~23.10.14
2719--------[5.990]
2720~wannex-wittec@ install WSL ~23.10.15
2721~palfun-foslup@ last i checked there's an issue in wsl that prevents ~23.10.32
2722 urit from workin gproperly ):
2723~risruc-habteb@ hm.. since when? I've done it with no issues. but that ~23.10.58
2724 was over a year ago.
2725~wannex-wittec@ well that's not epic ~23.11.02
2726~palfun-foslup@ ~risruc, really? ~23.11.25
2727--------[5.995]
2728~palfun-foslup@ that's wild ~23.11.27
2729~wannex-wittec@ someone said earlier that some versions have worked ~23.11.46
2730 and others not
2731~wannex-wittec@ also does anyone know how to turn off ames debug ~23.11.58
2732 messages lol
2733~risruc-habteb@ yeah the last time I used to chill on the network ~23.13.24
2734 (before azimuth) was on Windows
2735~palfun-foslup@ ~wannex you can run |ames-verb without any arguments, ~23.14.12
2736 iirc
2737--------[6.000]
2738~palfun-foslup@ ~risruc, if that still works, it'd be super cool if ~23.14.36
2739 you could write up a short docs page on how to use it
2740 in that context
2741~rabsef-bicrym@ i was just curious if technical, ethical or spiritual ~23.15.20
2742 reasons against it
2743~wannex-wittec@ sweet thx ~23.15.23
2744~risruc-habteb@ I should check. it's as trivial as... install Ubuntu ~23.16.13
2745 on Windows. follow Ubuntu urbit install procedure.
2746~wannex-wittec@ /= ~23.29.14
2747--------[6.005]
2748~rabsef-bicrym@ my poor urbit keeps faulting. so sad ~23.30.45
2749~wannex-wittec@ god i keep doing that ~23.31.13
2750~rovnys-ricfer@ there's no deep reason we don't run on windows ~23.46.17
2751~rovnys-ricfer@ we certainly want to eventually ~23.46.24
2752 ~del@ ok, I think we are voting yes on 0x000a0 right folks? ~00.10.32
2753 LOL
2754--------[6.010]
2755~fallyn-balfus@ ? ~00.10.49
2756 ~del@ I see four polls open, this is pretty neat ~00.10.59
2757 ~del looking at things the galactic senate is supposed to do ~00.11.15
2758~risruc-habteb@ sup ~del ~00.11.18
2759 ~del@ is arvo stable? ~00.11.38
2760--------[6.015]
2761 ~del@ (I've got my voting seed out) ~00.12.07
2762~palfun-foslup@ pretty sure it's considered "stable" these days ~00.12.19
2763~palfun-foslup@ see also: ~00.12.21
2764~palfun-foslup/ https://urbit.org/blog/stable-arvo/ ~00.12.24
2765 ~del@ alright, now i can make an informed vote ~00.12.39
2766--------[6.020]
2767 ~del@ tyvm ~00.12.41
2768~palfun-foslup@ (: ~00.12.47
2769~palfun-foslup@ also, is it showing four *open* polls, or three ~00.13.27
2770 majorities and one open?
2771~wicdev-wisryt voted yes on 0xa0 ~00.14.12
2772~wicdev-wisryt@ looks like it's 13-0 in favor so far ~00.14.30
2773--------[6.025]
2774~wicdev-wisryt@ for me it showed them as "open" if I hadn't voted on ~00.15.19
2775 them even though they were already majorities
2776~palfun-foslup@ it showed voting buttons for them too? that sounds ~00.15.43
2777 like a bridge bug
2778 ~del@ I see four open polls and have never voted before ~00.15.43
2779 ~del@ two appear in the accepted list as well ~00.15.54
2780~palfun-foslup will look into this ~00.16.09
2781--------[6.030]
2782~wicdev-wisryt@ yes, two were voted in before we officially went on ~00.16.37
2783 chain
2784~wicdev-wisryt@ this is the first one since then ~00.16.43
2785 ~del@ there is a document 2019010900 which i can't find a ~00.17.23
2786 reference to
2787 ~del@ 123456789 ~00.17.38
2788~wicdev-wisryt@ oh yeah, my recollection is that was a test to verify ~00.18.17
2789 voting was working
2790--------[6.035]
2791 ~del@ ah, so it was voted down I guess ~00.18.34
2792 ~del@ so we are really voting on whether tlon says it is ~00.20.29
2793 stable
2794~wicdev-wisryt@ don't think bridge shows it, but you can see how many ~00.20.31
2795 votes they got here:
2796~wicdev-wisryt/_etherscan.io ~00.20.32
2797 ~del@ (I have no reason to refute that, it seems to be ~00.20.43
2798 true!)
2799--------[6.040]
2800~wicdev-wisryt@ under documentPolls, including a leading 0x ~00.20.55
2801~wicdev-wisryt@ looks that 20190109 one got 15 yes votes and 0 no ~00.21.57
2802 votes, which means it didn't pass. You need a
2803 majority and at least 64 votes to pass
2804~wicdev-wisryt@ it wouldn't mean anything really ~00.22.03
2805~palfun-foslup@ it's showing them because of a js number + number => ~00.22.04
2806 numbernumber bug ):
2807 ~del@ <3 ~00.22.20
2808--------[6.045]
2809~palfun-foslup@ it should be hiding them because they've long since ~00.22.20
2810 expired
2811~wicdev-wisryt@ ha ~00.22.20
2812~hastuc-dibtux@ I'm so sick of js ~00.22.21
2813~hastuc-dibtux@ hoon to js transpiler when ~00.22.27
2814~palfun-foslup@ gonna pr chromium to replace js engine with nock ~00.22.56
2815--------[6.050]
2816~ridlur-figbud@ never ~00.22.56
2817~sicbud-hathes@ v9 js engine ~00.23.15
2818~sicbud-hathes@ entirely made in nock ~00.23.21
2819~wicdev-wisryt@ and then it can start counting down ~00.23.36
2820~sicbud-hathes@ whatever happened to vs 1-7 anyways ~00.23.40
2821--------[6.055]
2822~wicdev-wisryt@ v7k ~00.23.41
2823~migtem_marzod@ Javascript is a great language, it causes so many ~00.23.44
2824 memes about its quirks and stupidity
2825~sicbud-hathes@ jabbascript ~00.24.00
2826~ridlur-figbud@ js is primarily used to write memes ~00.24.04
2827 ~del@ ok that should be 14 votes in support now, then ~00.24.15
2828--------[6.060]
2829 ~del@ hot diggity, confirmed ~00.24.47
2830 ~del@ what has paid the gas for my transaction? ~00.24.55
2831~hastuc-dibtux@ there's a gas tank that pays out gas to points for ~00.25.20
2832 free transactions
2833~hastuc-dibtux@ put only for planets and better ~00.25.29
2834~palfun-foslup@ well, there are no things "worse" than planets on ~00.25.49
2835 azimuth, so that helps (^:
2836--------[6.065]
2837 ~del@ it looks like I have about $0.24 left ~00.25.51
2838~wicdev-wisryt@ yep i see 14 ~00.25.53
2839~palfun-foslup@ thanks for your support ~del! ~00.26.17
2840 ~del@ thanks for building this ridiculous machine! ~00.26.37
2841 ~del@ I love it ~00.26.52
2842--------[6.070]
2843~sillus-mallus@ what is this polling thing ~00.27.13
2844~risruc-habteb@ it's for galaxies only. ~00.27.25
2845~risruc-habteb@ to vote on network policies. ~00.27.35
2846~sillus-mallus@ neat ~00.27.51
2847~sillus-mallus@ is it write only, or read-write only? ~00.28.09
2848--------[6.075]
2849~wicdev-wisryt@ the info is publicly readable, though not very pretty ~00.31.42
2850 here:
2851~wicdev-wisryt/_etherscan.io ~00.31.43
2852~palfun-foslup@ idk what exactly you mean ~sillus ~00.31.54
2853~palfun-foslup@ senate can voteon two kinds of things: ~00.32.02
2854~wicdev-wisryt@ more helpful is probably the proposals directory here: ~00.32.05
2855--------[6.080]
2856~wicdev-wisryt/ https://github.com/urbit/azimuth ~00.32.06
2857~palfun-foslup@ hashes of documents stored off-chain, ~00.32.13
2858~wicdev-wisryt@ and the open PR ~00.32.14
2859~palfun-foslup@ and addresses of contracts ~00.32.23
2860~palfun-foslup@ the documents are off-chain, and so are more of a ~00.32.44
2861 "social"-facing vote
2862--------[6.085]
2863~palfun-foslup@ the contracts are proposals for new on-chain logic, ~00.32.56
2864 for example for new/changed functionality
2865~palfun-foslup@ (i pushed a new version of bridge, voting page should ~00.34.06
2866 be a bit tidier now (: )
2867~wannex-wittec@ we planets are being oppressed by the electoral ~00.35.42
2868 college of stars
2869~wannex-wittec@ or galaxies or whatever ~00.35.57
2870~wicdev-wisryt@ planets rise up ~00.37.05
2871--------[6.090]
2872~wicdev-wisryt@ so you too can vote on whether tlon has designated ~00.37.18
2873 arvo stable
2874 ~del@ when you say tidier ~00.37.45
2875~palfun-foslup@ i mean "not show expired polls" (: ~00.38.07
2876 ~del@ should I have reloaded with command+r or ~00.38.11
2877 shift+command+r
2878 ~del@ i still see the expired polls ~00.38.22
2879--------[6.095]
2880~palfun-foslup@ try both, until you're loading version 2.1.3 ~00.38.26
2881~palfun-foslup@ cmd-shift-r usually does the trick for me ~00.38.34
2882 ~del@ where do I locate the version number of bridge? ~00.39.09
2883~palfun-foslup@ on the login page ~00.39.19
2884 ~del@ oops, that shows 2.1.2 ~00.39.46
2885--------[6.100]
2886 ~del@ :thumbsup: ~00.39.48
2887 ~del@ simple refresh did it ~00.39.59
2888 ~del@ and it looks much better ~00.40.58
2889~palfun-foslup@ sweet, thanks for confirming! ~00.41.40
2890~rocmus-monpem@ |hi ~dopzod ~00.48.14
2891--------[6.105]
2892~rovnys-ricfer@ [sonorous ~dopzod voice] greetings ~rocmus ~00.54.38
2893~rovnys-ricfer@ you're still in chat, ~rocmus; Ctrl-X to switch to ~00.55.06
2894 dojo to run |hi
2895~rovnys-ricfer@ (everybody messes this up all the time) ~00.55.23
2896~sidtun-wisbec@ hi ~01.03.13
2897~sidtun-wisbec@ =c ~01.03.15
2898--------[6.110]
2899~sidtun-wisbec@ = Kikoo ~01.03.15
2900~migtem_marzod@ That's the best response to a |hi in here I have ever ~01.06.16
2901 seen ~rovnys
2902~sidtun-wisbec@ Kikoo ~01.06.20
2903~sillus-mallus@ sidtun hit ctrl-X ~01.07.18
2904~littel-wolfur@ i'm curious - anyone made a hoon anki deck yet? might ~01.10.03
2905 start on one if not
2906--------[6.115]
2907~migtem_marzod@ What is one? ~01.11.12
2908~hastuc-dibtux@ ~littel what for? ~01.11.27
2909~risruc-habteb@ someone made a rune pronunciation deck ~01.11.28
2910~hastuc-dibtux@ I might do a std library deck because i'm sick of ~01.11.58
2911 looking up the parser combinators
2912~risruc-habteb@ sweet ~01.12.06
2913--------[6.120]
2914~littel-wolfur@ ^ exactly ~01.12.07
2915~risruc-habteb@ better question is ~01.12.14
2916~risruc-habteb@ has anyone made an anki-like deck viewer/manager for ~01.12.35
2917 landskape
2918~risruc-habteb@ ;) ~01.12.38
2919~littel-wolfur@ i'd like to do one for basically all of hoon - i use ~01.12.39
2920 anki for pretty much anything
2921--------[6.125]
2922~littel-wolfur@ oh god imagine sharing spaced rep decks over urbit ~01.12.55
2923~littel-wolfur@ that would be my killer app for sure ~01.13.02
2924~palfun-foslup@ +1 for srs app ~01.13.09
2925~littel-wolfur@ please god ~01.13.14
2926~palfun-foslup@ i made a start on that once... never finished (^: ~01.13.17
2927--------[6.130]
2928~littel-wolfur@ zod* ~01.13.17
2929~palfun-foslup@ do it ~littel! ~01.13.28
2930~risruc-habteb@ do it for the fam littel ~01.13.42
2931~littel-wolfur@ okay okay here i go ~01.13.50
2932~littel-wolfur@ needed a push to start something new anyway, tired of ~01.14.09
2933 trying to rewrite my old stuff over and over
2934--------[6.135]
2935~risruc-habteb@ sweet! ~01.15.09
2936~littel-wolfur@ urbki? unki? urbit-memo? ~01.15.12
2937~risruc-habteb@ memki ~01.15.49
2938~haddef-sigwen@ a deck? like an old computer? ~01.15.51
2939~littel-wolfur@ spaced repetition cards are called decks in anki ~01.16.07
2940--------[6.140]
2941~littel-wolfur@ sets of* ~01.16.14
2942~risruc-habteb@ actually, i prefer 'mem'. not sure if that's used in ~01.16.16
2943 urbit.
2944~palfun-foslup/ https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Spaced_repetition ~01.16.21
2945~littel-wolfur@ oo i like mem ~01.16.28
2946~littel-wolfur@ nice and simple ~01.16.29
2947--------[6.145]
2948~palfun-foslup@ >three letter names ~01.16.37
2949~palfun-foslup@ aaa ~01.16.38
2950~palfun-foslup@ just so srrs for space-rated repetition system ~01.16.56
2951~littel-wolfur@ :D ~01.16.58
2952~palfun-foslup@ anyway, i should head to bed. zodspeed little wolf, ~01.17.26
2953 and good night u-h (:
2954--------[6.150]
2955~littel-wolfur@ night ~palfun! ~01.17.35
2956~risruc-habteb@ night ~01.17.50
2957~rovnys-ricfer@ good night, ~palfun ~01.18.54
2958 ~del@ I would use the hell out of unki if that was a thing ~01.36.39
2959 ~del@ urbit+anki ~01.37.02
2960--------[6.155]
2961~rovnys-ricfer@ hm ~01.37.48
2962~risruc-habteb@ same. although i think it goes against the urbit ~01.37.49
2963 aesthetic to use names obviously inspired by their
2964 predecessors.
2965~rovnys-ricfer@ might not be too hard to write ~01.37.51
2966~littel-wolfur@ i'm doing it my friends ~01.38.03
2967~littel-wolfur@ i'm going with srrs ~01.38.07
2968--------[6.160]
2969 ~del@ "ASCII glyphs to Hoon glyph names" ~01.38.25
2970~risruc-habteb@ it's not too late for 'mnem' ~01.39.02
2971 ~del@ I have 3 hoon related decks in my ankiweb account that ~01.39.06
2972 I log into once each year so it does not get wiped out
2973~risruc-habteb@ which are probably inordinately outdated :)^ ~01.39.27
2974~littel-wolfur@ hah ~01.39.32
2975--------[6.165]
2976 ~del@ definitely ~01.39.43
2977 ~del@ ? ~01.39.45
2978~littel-wolfur@ i've got an org-brain for urbit ~01.39.45
2979~littel-wolfur@ it's pretty nice ~01.40.02
2980~rovnys-ricfer@ ~littel is org-brain what happens if you use emacs too ~01.40.05
2981 much?
2982--------[6.170]
2983~littel-wolfur@ 100% ~01.40.14
2984~risruc-habteb@ oh man. that sounds nice. i'd like to see that. ~01.40.22
2985~rovnys-ricfer@ oh it actually basically does mean that, lol ~01.40.55
2986~rovnys-ricfer/ https://github.com/Kungsgeten/org-brain ~01.40.55
2987~rovnys-ricfer@ I was just kidding ~01.40.59
2988--------[6.175]
2989~littel-wolfur@ :D ~01.41.09
2990~littel-wolfur@ my love for emacs is what fuels my urbiting ~01.41.48
2991~littel-wolfur@ they have similar aesthetics imo ~01.41.57
2992~littel-wolfur@ and garner similar haters ~01.42.09
2993~risruc-habteb@ org-brain is how i think urbit publish should ~01.42.40
2994 work/look.
2995--------[6.180]
2996~littel-wolfur@ YES! ~01.43.06
2997~littel-wolfur@ lemme get a screenshot of my brain setup ~01.43.21
2998~risruc-habteb@ paging ~fabled-faster ~01.43.23
2999~wannex-wittec@ there are urbit haters? ~01.44.04
3000~sicbud-hathes@ will we ever have urbit running in emacs on brain ~01.44.11
3001--------[6.185]
3002~rovnys-ricfer@ mm, might be easier to get emacs to run in urbit ~01.44.27
3003~rovnys-ricfer@ or at least some amount of it ~01.44.38
3004~sicbud-hathes@ but what about running it on my brain ~01.45.09
3005~littel-wolfur/ https://imgur.com/EHlS7kZ ~01.45.15
3006~risruc-habteb@ hot damn ~01.45.28
3007--------[6.190]
3008~hastuc-dibtux@ I don't think I'd ever write anything other than hoon ~01.45.29
3009 if I got a lisp machine esque setup for urbit
3010~risruc-habteb@ amazing ~01.45.30
3011~risruc-habteb@ littel, urbit org-brain when? before or after srrs? ~01.45.52
3012~rovnys-ricfer@ ~hastuc which aspect of lisp machines do you want for ~01.46.11
3013 urbit?
3014~risruc-habteb@ also, it's already been determined by an anon ~01.46.31
3015 commenter here that emacs is not an OS, since it does
3016 not handle tcp/ip directly.
3017--------[6.195]
3018~risruc-habteb@ ;);) ~01.46.34
3019~littel-wolfur/ https://imgur.com/a/DV8Nu9U ~01.46.47
3020~minder-folden@ Man, TheBrain looks cool. ~01.46.58
3021~minder-folden@ Backup to urbit, when? ~01.47.03
3022~littel-wolfur@ after srrs ;) ~01.47.05
3023--------[6.200]
3024~rovnys-ricfer@ ok, this brain stuff does actually look pretty cool ~01.47.22
3025~littel-wolfur@ it's all org-mode parsing too ~01.47.39
3026~littel-wolfur@ so once i finish my org parser... brain is the next ~01.48.00
3027 step
3028 ~del@ it's basically a wiki, but in org mode? I don't quite ~01.48.08
3029 understand what org mode is, I think
3030 ~del@ as a vim user (although, does vim have an org mode) ~01.48.18
3031--------[6.205]
3032 ~del@ when someone showed me nerdtree, basically blew my ~01.48.28
3033 mind
3034~littel-wolfur@ org-mode is like a wiki, yeah ~01.48.31
3035~littel-wolfur@ and org-brain parses org-mode files and builds a ~01.48.45
3036 mindmap of sorts
3037 ~del@ got it ~01.49.15
3038~littel-wolfur@ emacs is worth switching to just for org-mode + magit ~01.49.35
3039--------[6.210]
3040 ~del@ I can't imagine ever switching to emacs. I would ~01.50.09
3041 likely switch to VScode first instead
3042~rovnys-ricfer@ I've been meaning to give emacs a try at some point ~01.50.49
3043~rovnys-ricfer@ I love vim, but ... I'm a millennial, I'll try ~01.51.04
3044 anything
3045~littel-wolfur@ i like both vim and emacs ~01.51.14
3046~littel-wolfur@ ~del, just try doom-emacs ~01.51.24
3047--------[6.215]
3048~littel-wolfur@ you get vim keybindings ~01.51.27
3049~littel-wolfur@ plus an amazing module system for packages ~01.51.32
3050~littel-wolfur@ i really don't understand the vim/emacs rivalry ~01.51.51
3051~littel-wolfur@ they're complementary ~01.51.55
3052 ~del@ now we are talking ~01.52.01
3053--------[6.220]
3054~rovnys-ricfer@ yeah ~01.52.05
3055~rovnys-ricfer@ this looks much cooler than spacemacs, which is ~01.52.26
3056 bloated and slow
3057~littel-wolfur@ yup exactly ~01.52.33
3058~littel-wolfur@ and the community around it super active ~01.52.40
3059~littel-wolfur@ and it moves emacs closer to the command line, which i ~01.52.52
3060 love
3061--------[6.225]
3062 ~del@ if i can use emacs but still feel like i'm using vim ~01.53.27
3063 ~del@ at least it will have a chance ~01.53.35
3064~littel-wolfur@ yeah you're going to love doom-emacs ~01.53.44
3065~littel-wolfur@ spend a weekend with it i almost guarantee you'll ~01.53.56
3066 switch over
3067 ~del@ "I can't imagine ever switching to emacs" ~01.54.17
3068--------[6.230]
3069 ~del here borrow this imagination then ~01.54.27
3070~littel-wolfur@ nah i like mine it's nice and stubborn ~01.55.06
3071~risruc-habteb@ classic. ~02.02.07
3072~ronreg-ribdev@ unki is not what I would choose to name a piece of ~02.02.21
3073 software meant for spaced reptition of things
3074~bannum-magtus@ Id call it ~02.03.48
3075--------[6.235]
3076~bannum-magtus@ Peps ~02.03.49
3077~fabled-faster@ message received, re: making 'publish' w/ more utility ~02.05.34
3078~risruc-habteb@ so the ~fab signal does work. ~02.06.07
3079~risruc-habteb@ ~fast signal? ~02.06.23
3080~fabled-faster@ hahaha ~02.09.44
3081--------[6.240]
3082~littel-wolfur/ https://github.com/ryjm/urbrain ~02.10.30
3083~littel-wolfur@ pushed my org-brain files to github if anyone is ~02.10.38
3084 interested
3085~littel-wolfur@ some things might be outdated ~02.10.48
3086~littel-wolfur@ particularly the gall/arvo stuff ~02.10.55
3087~littel-wolfur@ PRs welcome! ~02.12.01
3088--------[6.245]
3089~risruc-habteb@ awesome! ~02.12.47
3090~littel-wolfur@ plenty of broken links to the old urbit-docs files ~02.13.26
3091 too, sorry about that
3092~walnev-ladnev@ they fix the landscape scrollback ~02.15.08
3093~somlus-savlev@ Dumb question: when people (especially palfun) greed ~02.24.55
3094 u-h is that simply urbit-hoon? Was hoping the answer
3095 would emerge organically but haven't seen it.
3096~littel-wolfur@ 'greed u-h'? ~02.25.30
3097--------[6.250]
3098~littel-wolfur@ i think u-h refers to urbit-help ~02.25.38
3099~fabled-faster@ yeah, u-h means the channel we are currently in ~02.27.21
3100~fabled-faster@ no dumb questions ~02.27.44
3101~sillus-mallus@ that one took me a while to figure out too ~02.28.06
3102~fabled-faster@ if y'all ever have any verbage questions, just ask ~02.29.18
3103--------[6.255]
3104~somlus-savlev@ haha! I was thinking way to deeply on a secret name ~02.39.09
3105 for the greater community at large... It was
3106 elementary, my dear friends
3107~rivmep-darref@ hello ~03.27.21
3108~rivmep-darref@ this finally works again ~03.27.30
3109~haddef-sigwen@ hi ~03.34.45
3110~ronreg-ribdev@ just found out about https://urbit.live/ , this is ~03.39.54
3111 pretty neat
3112--------[6.260]
3113~migtem_marzod@ Wouldnt be a bad place for a secret society :P ~03.39.58
3114~haddef-sigwen@ urbit.live are cool guys ~03.43.22
3115~fabled-faster@ howdy folks ~03.48.59
3116~rovnys-ricfer@ howdy ~fabled ~03.49.21
3117~nachus-hollyn@ Hi folks. was hoping for some news about the hoon 101 ~03.54.17
3118 class. Is it still going on?
3119--------[6.265]
3120~ronreg-ribdev@ is there any reason to prefer tape to cord or ~03.58.47
3121 vice-versa for ordinary strings?
3122~fabled-faster@ ~nachus: yes, it is — have you subscribed to the hoon ~04.03.19
3123 school notebook/publish
3124~haddef-sigwen@ one's a list and one's a casted atom, no? ~04.03.39
3125~fabled-faster@
3126 ~bolbex-fogdys/hoon-school
3127 ~04.03.42
3128~fabled-faster@ you can join that too ~04.03.49
3129--------[6.270]
3130~fabled-faster@ tape is a list of cords n' cords are casted ya — i ~04.04.30
3131 think cords are immutable? or maybe i'm mixing that
3132 witha rust concept
3133~haddef-sigwen@ ~bolbex-fogdys/hoon-school ~04.04.40
3134~haddef-sigwen@ ok so why did that process as a room and yours didnt ~04.04.49
3135~fabled-faster@ lol ~04.05.03
3136~fabled-faster@ i have no idea ~04.05.06
3137--------[6.275]
3138~walnev-ladnev@ ~rabsef windows version is opening can of worms that ~04.12.04
3139 may not works great for the community rn
3140~haddef-sigwen/ https://github.com/urbit/urbit.org/pull/324 ~04.21.54
3141~haddef-sigwen@ for anyone who uses the docs and search. i do ~04.22.13
3142~haddef-sigwen@ as of today you can now get search definitions for ~04.23.51
3143 runes; stdlib names; and a few dozen common concepts
3144 and terms on the site
3145~risruc-habteb@ introducing ~nibfeb ~04.46.59
3146--------[6.280]
3147~risruc-habteb/ https://i.imgur.com/JsEXIbN.jpg ~04.47.02
3148 ~nibfeb@ Inspires me to be the best star I can. She's a ~04.51.42
3149 beauty, risruc.
3150~walnev-ladnev@ a good urbit killer app is a cross between pocket's ~04.54.30
3151 read-it-later app and wiki so we could archive and
3152 comment web article on our own personal server
3153~walnev-ladnev@ a good urbit killer app is a cross between pocket's ~04.59.47
3154 read-it-later app and wiki so we could archive and
3155 comment web article on our own personal server
3156~ronreg-ribdev@ ~haddef-signwen: sure, but I mean, if I'm writing an ~05.01.06
3157 ordinary program that takes strings as inputs or
3158 returns strings as outputs
3159--------[6.285]
3160~ronreg-ribdev@ which type of string should I prefer to accept or ~05.01.15
3161 return?
3162~haddef-sigwen@ soon, ~walnev, soon ~05.07.08
3163~walnev-ladnev@ Add a feed reader in there as well ~05.07.47
3164~haddef-sigwen@ lets not get carried away here ~05.09.01
3165~rabsef-bicrym@ ~walnev - i really like that idea ~05.11.21
3166--------[6.290]
3167~lapfur-mogpet@ Is anyone else getting a "address 0x159 out of loom!" ~05.42.11
3168 message that leads to a Segmentation fault? It seems I
3169 have to reboot every hour or so. Should I rebuild from
3170 scratch or is this a system-wide thing?
3171~borlyt-salnus@ anybody else having issues with publish? ~05.49.25
3172~borlyt-salnus@ gettin internal server errors ~05.49.47
3173~norsyr-torryn@ I just subscribed to ~little-wolfur's notebook and it ~06.13.19
3174 worked; didn't see any error in the console
3175~marzod-hopweb@ Anybody publishing some good content I should read?? ~06.20.14
3176--------[6.295]
3177~walter-hinted@ ~borlyt-salnus I got internal server errors last night ~06.36.50
3178 and then publish fixed itself on its own after some
3179 time passed. not sure why it happened or how to fix
3180 tho
3181~timluc-miptev@ ~risruc, gorgeous star ~07.01.39
3182~ronreg-ribdev@ hoon question: I want to define a face whose value is ~07.08.57
3183 a long list
3184~ronreg-ribdev@ I can define a long list with :~ 2 3 4 ~07.09.24
3185 ==
3186~ronreg-ribdev@ (or, uh, that with gaps instead of ace's - apparently ~07.09.46
3187 the chat input truncated my spaces?)
3188--------[6.300]
3189~ronreg-ribdev@ but I'm not sure how to assign a face to that value in ~07.10.03
3190 a =+ context
3191~ronreg-ribdev@ syntactically-speaking ~07.10.08
3192~ronreg-ribdev@ also, is there a way to type in a long code block in ~07.10.15
3193 chat?
3194~norsyr-torryn@ I think you can have only one-liners prepending # ~07.24.39
3195~norsyr-torryn@ what about this one? ~07.24.45
3196--------[6.305]
3197~norsyr-torryn# =< my-face =/ my-face=(list @) :~ 1 2 == . ~07.24.49
3198~walnev-ladnev@ Just read about https://bytecodealliance.org, if they ~07.26.39
3199 can pull it off hope someday someone gonna write vere
3200 in that
3201~norsyr-torryn@ ah sorry, you meant pushing a face into the subject ~07.26.46
3202 using =+
3203~norsyr-torryn@ I don't think you can combine a =+ with a face and :~ ~07.31.38
3204 in tall form. at least I need to do this
3205~norsyr-torryn# =< my-face =+ my-face=~[1 2 3] . ~07.31.42
3206--------[6.310]
3207~master-morzod@ a=b is just ^= a b ~07.50.42
3208~master-morzod@ ~ronreg, your functions should usually take cords ~07.51.18
3209~master-morzod@ tapes are just lists of bytes of utf-8, easy to ~07.51.44
3210 produce invalid output given that definition
3211~master-morzod@ they're the right input for parsers, and useful for ~07.52.21
3212 various kinds of manipulation
3213~master-morzod@ finally, a lot of our console stuff uses (list @c), ~07.53.51
3214 which is a list of codepoints, ie utf-32, ie what you
3215 usually want when you're counting "characters"
3216--------[6.315]
3217~master-morzod@ so the answer is just, "it depends" ~07.54.07
3218~master-morzod@ we should have a better answer, and friendlier string ~07.54.29
3219 api
3220~master-morzod@ we really just have byte-size operations like (cat 3 ~07.55.31
3221 %foo %boo), list operations, and some unicode
3222 conversion functions
3223~norsyr-torryn@ i used ~palfun's urbit-string library for a project ~08.00.08
3224 some time ago; porting/expanding it would be a good
3225 contributor project
3226~norsyr-torryn/ https://github.com/Fang-/urbit-string ~08.00.08
3227--------[6.320]
3228~ronreg-ribdev@ ~norsyr: hm, okay ~08.50.16
3229~ronreg-ribdev@ I don't grok all of the possible = runes yet ~08.50.23
3230~ronreg-ribdev@ I definitely want to define the null-terminated list ~08.50.43
3231 in tall form
3232~ronreg-ribdev@ it looks like you're using =/ for that ~08.50.56
3233~ronreg-ribdev/_https://pastebin.com/pePQFDPr <- okay, so this doesn'… ~09.06.14
3234--------[6.325]
3235~ronreg-ribdev@ =/ " combine a named noun with the subject, possibly ~09.07.02
3236 with type annotation."
3237~ronreg-ribdev@ so as I'm using it I it has 3 args: the variable ~09.07.43
3238 'rune-names', then the long list that I build with :~
3239 in tall form, and then the rest of my program
3240~ronreg-ribdev@ (which right now is just trying to output the lenght ~09.08.01
3241 of 'rune-names')
3242~norsyr-torryn@ then you could use what ~master shared here: ~09.16.20
3243~norsyr-torryn# ^= my-face :~ 1 2 == ~09.16.22
3244--------[6.330]
3245~norsyr-torryn@ in your paste-bin you can use (list [cord cord]) ~09.19.07
3246~norsyr-torryn#_=< rune-names =/ rune-names=(list [cord cord]) :~ ~09.19.10
3247~norsyr-torryn@ i think the error is in +lent. lent expects a list, ~09.20.45
3248 and you are saying that rune-names is any noun. if you
3249 use this (list [cord cord]) it should work
3250~norsyr-torryn@ (btw, i'm using =< just to get the one-liner to work ~09.22.19
3251 here, otherwise I'd need two lines; just ignore for
3252 your example)
3253~ronreg-ribdev@ oh it's a type error ~09.36.52
3254--------[6.335]
3255~ronreg-ribdev@ bah, I should maybe read the hoon docs on types before ~09.37.10
3256 I try to start writing meanignfu programs :)
3257~hastuc-dibtux@ you're gettting a nest fail error (type mismatch) ~09.38.09
3258 because rune-names is not a list it's a * because of
3259 the =/ type declaration
3260~hastuc-dibtux@ you can see for yourself by putting ~! rune-names ~09.38.37
3261 above the (lent rune-names) call
3262~hastuc-dibtux@ if you change the first part of =/ to rune-names=(list ~09.39.04
3263 [cord cord]) it works
3264~hastuc-dibtux@ lmoa web-ui lag strikes again ~09.40.13
3265--------[6.340]
3266~ronreg-ribdev@ heh, yeah, fixing the type signature fixes it ~09.42.10
3267~ronreg-ribdev@ I deliberately set it to * becuase i wasn't sure if ~09.42.23
3268 (list [cord cord]) was valid type annotation syntax
3269~ronreg-ribdev@ I guess it is ~09.42.34
3270~ronreg-ribdev@ which is good because that's very natural to me as ~09.42.45
3271 someone who's used ML-like languages
3272~hastuc-dibtux@ being able to apply faces with a type cast is probably ~09.45.25
3273 one of my favourite things about hoon
3274--------[6.345]
3275~borlyt-salnus@ guys i have a few questions about moons ~09.49.44
3276~borlyt-salnus@ as i understand correctly, planets are meant for home ~09.50.00
3277 networks
3278~borlyt-salnus@ and moons for individual devices ~09.50.07
3279~borlyt-salnus@ but does that i need to have my planet running ~09.50.46
3280 somewhere with a public IP 24/7 in order for moons to
3281 work?
3282~borlyt-salnus@ and a secondary question: are moons limited in some ~09.52.04
3283 way or are they just planets lower on the urbit
3284 hierarchy?
3285--------[6.350]
3286~borlyt-salnus@ because i can connect my moon to the landscape but ~09.57.56
3287 can't seem to join chats
3288~palfun-foslup@ moons are known broken right now ~10.01.05
3289~palfun-foslup@ good morning u-h ~10.01.09
3290~risruc-habteb@ morning palfun ~10.02.18
3291~risruc-habteb@ borlyt, the short answer to #2 is yes. you would want ~10.05.33
3292 to have your planet running 24/7.
3293--------[6.355]
3294~risruc-habteb# 1* ^ ~10.05.49
3295~risruc-habteb@ without moons, you want your server on ask the time so ~10.07.44
3296 it can always receive messages and you dont have to
3297 catch up every time you boot.
3298~risruc-habteb@ to turn it on periodically would be like turning off ~10.10.34
3299 your mail server whenever you're not logged in to
3300 email. the difference is that you WILL eventually
3301 receive messages sent in urbit while you were offline,
3302 but the less catch-up you have to play, the better.
3303~risruc-habteb@ I can't answer exactly about moons functionally, since ~10.11.20
3304 like palfun said, they're a bit broken now.
3305~palfun-foslup@ you do it inside the generator file ~10.12.38
3306--------[6.360]
3307~palfun-foslup@ mul lives in the subject in your dojo environment, so ~10.12.49
3308 you can play with it like that
3309~palfun-foslup@ contents of generator files do not live within the ~10.13.08
3310 subject, and are only called out to using the +gen
3311 construction, which simply calls the gate within
3312~palfun-foslup@ wow whoops audience ~10.13.20
3313~risruc-habteb@ might need to finish your ☕ ~10.14.19
3314~palfun-foslup@ might need to not frantically jump between web chat ~10.14.47
3315 and cli chat (^:
3316--------[6.365]
3317~ronreg-ribdev@ hm, do moons require a currently-running planet to ~10.32.42
3318 work?
3319~ronreg-ribdev@ or I guess, is it impossible given the network ~10.33.25
3320 protocol for a moon to receive a message from
3321 elsewhere in the netowrk, if the planet is down?
3322~ronreg-ribdev@ it might be nice if a star could forward a message to ~10.33.57
3323 a moon without the planet having to be operating,
3324 although myabe there are good reasons why that
3325 wouldn't work
3326~palfun-foslup@ moons are sponsored by their planets, the same way ~10.34.50
3327 planets are sponsored by stars
3328~palfun-foslup@ idk what the use case for "using a moon while my ~10.35.29
3329 planet sleeps" is, especially considering you want
3330 most interactinos to go through the planet for
3331 identity reasons
3332--------[6.370]
3333~hastuc-dibtux@ is there any way to hack on hoon.hoon without having ~10.46.36
3334 to wait to recompile everything
3335~timluc-miptev@ What are good chats for hoon talk? I'm in hoontards, ~10.46.47
3336 but looking for something more for devs rather than
3337 beginners
3338~palfun-foslup@ ~timluc, this is it ~10.48.40
3339~palfun-foslup@ ~hastuc, i think you can turn off autoload by toggling ~10.49.05
3340 |autoload ?
3341~palfun-foslup@ but compiling hoon.hoon will always recompile ~10.49.28
3342 everything, since everything has a ford dependency on
3343 it, i think
3344--------[6.375]
3345~palfun-foslup@ not sure if there's a way around that... ~10.49.45
3346~timluc-miptev@ ah cool, wanted to make sure I wasn't cluttering ~10.50.04
3347 moving forward
3348~palfun-foslup@ really any urbit related chat is on-topic here in u-h ~10.51.43
3349 (:
3350~timluc-miptev@ sexy ~10.51.51
3351~hastuc-dibtux@ found a workaround ~10.53.08
3352--------[6.380]
3353~hastuc-dibtux@ copy hoon.hoon to gen/hoon.hoon ~10.53.19
3354~hastuc-dibtux@ this is probably a terrible idea ~10.53.58
3355~palfun-foslup@ hah, i guess that works! ~10.54.05
3356~palfun-foslup@ if you do lib/hoon i guess you could even call out ~10.54.22
3357 specific functions from dojo
3358~hastuc-dibtux@ jet registration won't work in a generator will it? ~10.54.26
3359--------[6.385]
3360~palfun-foslup@ uhh ~10.56.19
3361~palfun-foslup@ if i had to guess, i'd say the context is different, ~10.56.31
3362 and so the jet won't register/match
3363~posput-borfes@ brb gonna reboot the VM ~11.09.43
3364~batbus-finfyn@ Is suggesting a date stamp along with the time stamp ~11.49.58
3365 an appropriate github issue? Or is there a separate
3366 place for "feature suggestions"?
3367~batbus-finfyn@ (I mean for the chat, if it wasn't clear) ~11.55.31
3368--------[6.390]
3369~batbus-finfyn@ Anybody know what this means when trying to subscribe ~12.04.15
3370 to a notebook?
3371~batbus-finfyn@ failed to subscribe to blog: ~12.04.16
3372 %actually-somewhat-interesting-urbit-thoughts
3373 watch-ac
3374 k
3375 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/app/publish/hoon:<[1.741
3376 3].[1.748
3377 42]>
3378 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/app/publish/hoon:<[1.740
3379 3].[1.748
3380 42]>
3381 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/app/publish/hoon:<[1.739
3382 3].[1.748
3383 42]>
3384 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/app/publish/hoon:<[1.737
3385 3].[1.748
3386 42]>
3387 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/app/publish/hoon:<[1.736
3388 3].[1.748
3389 42]>
3390 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/app/publish/hoon:<[109
3391 29].[109
3392 56]>
3393 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/app/publish/hoon:<[105
3394 7].[111
3395 9]>
3396 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/app/publish/hoon:<[104
3397 5].[112
3398 17]>
3399 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/app/publish/hoon:<[103
3400 5].[112 17]>
3401 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/lib/verb/hoon:<[45
3402 21].[45 39]>
3403 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/lib/verb/hoon:<[45
3404 3].[46 15]>
3405 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/lib/verb/hoon:<[44
3406 3].[46 15]>
3407 /~bannum-magtus/home/0/lib/verb/hoon:<[43
3408 3].[46
3409 15]>
3410 /~zod/home/~2019.12.6..13.37.47..40ec/sys/vane/ga
3411 ll:<[1.136 9].[1.136 37]>
3412~batbus-finfyn@ Also what's "! subscribe wire not unique" ~12.05.28
3413~risruc-habteb@ ~batbus, you mean on landscape chat. right? ~12.08.26
3414~risruc-habteb@ there is a datestamp, but it is hidden until you ~12.08.39
3415 hover.
3416--------[6.395]
3417~batbus-finfyn@ Regarding the time stamp yes. The rest above is about ~12.08.44
3418 notebooks.
3419~risruc-habteb@ also, it's only on the full desktop version., ~12.09.03
3420~batbus-finfyn@ "but it is hidden until you hover.".... Ooops, I'm ~12.09.03
3421 dumb, sorry.
3422~risruc-habteb@ nope. not a problem. ~12.10.43
3423~todteg-molpun@ Well this is all looking a bit better ~12.55.37
3424--------[6.400]
3425~todteg-molpun@ I've lost my list of chats, what's worth joining now? ~13.01.30
3426~fabled-faster@ ~paldev/music ~13.03.03
3427~fabled-faster@ ~paldev/nopub ~13.03.13
3428~todteg-molpun@ Thanks fam ~13.05.16
3429~batbus-finfyn@ There is a list of channels on this notebook: :publish ~13.21.51
3430 &publish-action [%subscribe ~wicdev-wiwsryt
3431 %bulletin-board]
3432--------[6.405]
3433~todteg-molpun@ Doesn't seem to like wiwsryt ~13.32.17
3434~todteg-molpun@ Fails when I try to type the s ~13.33.19
3435~somlus-savlev@ . ~13.35.12
3436~risruc-habteb@ you got an extra w inj there ~13.35.12
3437~risruc-habteb@ wisryr ~13.35.21
3438--------[6.410]
3439~risruc-habteb@ wisryr
3440 ~13.35.31
3441~risruc-habteb@ shoot ~13.35.40
3442~risruc-habteb@ wisryt. ~13.35.50
3443~risruc-habteb@ ffs. there we go. ~13.35.59
3444~somlus-savlev@ Good morning folks. ~13.39.51
3445--------[6.415]
3446~palfun-foslup@ lol ~risruc ~13.45.17
3447~palfun-foslup@ sup ~somlus ~13.45.18
3448~risruc-habteb@ why would phone auto correct wisryt to wisryr anyway? ~13.46.25
3449 and 3 times in a row.
3450~timluc-miptev@ morning ~13.47.27
3451~timluc-miptev@ hey ~13.48.00
3452--------[6.420]
3453~palfun-foslup@ ~risruc, disable autocorrect and learn to type (^; ~13.50.08
3454~palfun-foslup@ honestly they need to bring T9 back, even to ~13.50.57
3455 smartphones
3456~risruc-habteb@ very fair. I aim to accept your humiliation with due ~13.51.03
3457 gratitude.
3458~risruc-habteb@ speaking of which, while it's still slow in here. I ~13.53.54
3459 fixed a small error on the ~nibfeb sunrise.
3460~risruc-habteb/ https://i.imgur.com/iO5tCQs.jpg ~13.53.58
3461--------[6.425]
3462~palfun-foslup@ that looks sick! ~13.54.31
3463~risruc-habteb@ credit goes to ~rovnys-ricfer for the idea. I just did ~13.58.58
3464 the cut and pasting.
3465~todteg-molpun@ getting ~14.00.34
3466 this:
3467
3468 out={[p=[wire=/collection/bulletin-board
3469 ship=~wicdev-wisryt term=%publish] q=[acked=%.n
3470 path=/collection/bulletin-board]]}
3471 subscribe wire not
3472 unique
3473 %publish
3474 /collection/bulletin-board
3475 [p=~wicdev-
3476 wisryt q=%publish]
3477 error in
3478 %publish
3479 %watch-not-unique
3480 ! subscribe wire not
3481 unique
3482 ! %publish
3483 ! /collection/bulletin-board
3484 !
3485 [p=~wicdev-wisryt q=%publish]
3486 > :publish
3487 &publish-action [%subscribe ~wicdev-wisryt
3488 %bulletin-board]
3489~todteg-molpun@ Figured it was an error saying I was already ~14.01.13
3490 subscribed or something but don't see it on my
3491 landscape, don't think I am
3492~palfun-foslup@ hmm, others have seen this before. iirc it's a ~14.01.58
3493 side-effect of a current gall bug?
3494--------[6.430]
3495~todteg-molpun@ Ah, too bad ~14.05.29
3496~palfun-foslup@ idk how to work around it. you could try a :publish ~14.05.37
3497 &publish-action [%unsubscribe ~wicdev-wisryt
3498 %bulletin-board], then try subscribing again, but
3499 maybe that then hits the same issue
3500~borlyt-salnus@ so if I understand correctly, moons don't do much ~14.06.46
3501 currently other than that you can create them and
3502 create a ship/pier with them
3503~palfun-foslup@ though, be warned, iirc there also was a bug where ~14.07.43
3504 unsubscribing cleared the recents page, so... (^:
3505~palfun-foslup@ ~borlyt, new ames doesn't quite support them properly. ~14.08.01
3506--------[6.435]
3507~palfun-foslup@ once that's been fixed, and they can communicate ~14.08.20
3508 properly, moons are generally used as an interface to
3509 your planet
3510~todteg-molpun@ ~palfun that fixed the error anyway, not sure if it ~14.09.43
3511 subscribed me but a good start anyway, thanks
3512~timluc-miptev@ Going through the Hoon tutorial now: what is the "win" ~14.11.58
3513 that Hoon is getting from the gate/arm/core semantics,
3514 as opposed to just having functions+data?
3515~timluc-miptev@ I'm guessing there is one, just not able to intuit it ~14.12.22
3516 so far
3517~palfun-foslup@ good q ~timluc. i'm not a language person, most of ~14.15.49
3518 those won't wake up for another few hours, but i can
3519 take a stab at an answer anyway.
3520--------[6.440]
3521~timluc-miptev@ (alternatively, maybe analogies to other functional ~14.17.30
3522 programming languages might help. I've done a fair bit
3523 of Lisp and Haskell)
3524~palfun-foslup@ "cores" are a very thin abstraction over the code ~14.18.42
3525 execution that happens at the nock level. cores are
3526 just pairs of code and data to run that code against,
3527 so in a sense it is really close to "functions+data"
3528~timluc-miptev@ ok, so roughly an OOP object, but with immutability ~14.20.06
3529 (i.e. operations return values rather than modifying
3530 the payload)
3531~palfun-foslup@ in that same way, they're not entirely dissimilar to ~14.20.09
3532 objects in OOP either
3533~palfun-foslup@ yeah ~14.20.11
3534--------[6.445]
3535~borlyt-salnus@ what happens when I attempt to communicate with an ~14.23.13
3536 urbitID that's not booted currently? will my PC keep
3537 trying to send it until it works?
3538~timluc-miptev@ So then the standard library is in one core/object? ~14.23.23
3539 What is the payload there?
3540~palfun-foslup@ your payload is generally the "subject", the context ~14.26.15
3541 if your operation when it's run. the subject, by
3542 default, includes the standard library cores
3543~palfun-foslup@ ~borlyt, your urbit will try sending the message ~14.29.56
3544 occasionally, at slower and slower intervals
3545~palfun-foslup@ once the target boots, the message will go through ~14.30.08
3546--------[6.450]
3547~timluc-miptev@ And doors are used for generating packages of ~14.34.22
3548 parameterized higher order functions?
3549~timluc-miptev@ like basically the sample for the door is the ~14.35.51
3550 parameter that the higher order function(s) take(s),
3551 and then you run the selected function?
3552~palfun-foslup@ correct! ~14.36.54
3553~timluc-miptev@ ok that's fairly straightforward ~14.38.30
3554~timluc-miptev@ so you're saying "give me this function with certain ~14.39.29
3555 parameters set", and then pass it parameters and also
3556 have access to the context
3557--------[6.455]
3558~palfun-foslup@ it's more like "give me this function, with these ~14.40.40
3559 values set in the context of the function", and then
3560 call it like, well, a normal function
3561~palfun-foslup@ for doors, with ~(f my-door my-args), f can be any ~14.41.50
3562 arbitrary part of the door. you could pass "." there
3563 to get the entire (initialized) door, if you want
3564~timluc-miptev@ ah I see, and then in that case you'd have to select ~14.42.34
3565 the arm(s) you want to call?
3566~palfun-foslup@ yes ~14.42.56
3567~palfun-foslup@ beats re-initializing the door every time ~14.43.14
3568--------[6.460]
3569~timluc-miptev@ right makes sense ~14.46.00
3570~winseg-ravtuc@ is there an easy way to keep track of dapps beeing ~14.54.07
3571 build on urbit?
3572~palfun-foslup@ there are no dapps, only apps (^: ~14.57.00
3573~palfun-foslup@ we have no app/package repository, or even ~14.57.17
3574 installation process currently
3575~palfun-foslup@ if you hang around, people usually talk about these ~14.58.03
3576 things as they get built.. but no real "things being
3577 made" list no
3578--------[6.465]
3579~marzod-hopweb@ More Urbit representation needed here: ~14.59.25
3580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21762510&p=2
3581~winseg-ravtuc@ ~palfun, is it just to early for that? ~15.05.12
3582~fabled-faster@ honk ~15.09.15
3583~fabled-faster@ ~winseg, yes ~15.09.28
3584~fabled-faster@ Tlon in particular is focused on a minimal set of ~15.11.07
3585 communicative/social 'applications' and will grow
3586 those over time, in the nearer future
3587--------[6.470]
3588~fabled-faster@ and these will be very focused and Good ~15.11.11
3589~fabled-faster/ https://github.com/urbit/create-landscape-app ~15.11.18
3590~fabled-faster@ things like this exist for folks to play around with, ~15.11.56
3591 but like palfun said, there's really no centralized
3592 location for these
3593~timluc-miptev@ another quick syntax check: '%' is for making ~15.17.08
3594 keywords/enums, right?
3595~winseg-ravtuc@ sounds like someone should build an app store? ~15.20.29
3596--------[6.475]
3597~palfun-foslup@ ~timluc, yes. things prefixed by % are constants, with ~15.23.22
3598 matching type
3599~timluc-miptev@ And the tis runes are similar to let/where in Haskell? ~15.32.52
3600~timluc-miptev@ seems like sort of a hybrid of let with a monadic ~15.33.52
3601 structure
3602~palfun-foslup@ i'm not very familiar with haskell, but iirc those ~15.36.08
3603 define some value? tis runes add to or modify (values
3604 in) the subject, so they feel similar in use, yeah
3605~palfun-foslup@ (and when i say "modify" under the hood that just ~15.36.55
3606 means writing a new thing with the same name into the
3607 subject)
3608--------[6.480]
3609~timluc-miptev@ yeah, the "modify" is what I mean when I say it feels ~15.41.23
3610 like a monad
3611~timluc-miptev@ this is helpful for mapping concepts, thanks ~15.41.41
3612~winseg-ravtuc@ just finished my first tutorial ~15.56.25
3613 (https://urbit.org/docs/tutorials/hoon/list-of-numbers
3614 /)
3615~winseg-ravtuc@ yeah! ~15.56.27
3616~timluc-miptev@ nice ~15.57.46
3617--------[6.485]
3618~timluc-miptev@ I'm almost done with the Generators part, although a ~16.03.59
3619 lot of door syntax is still a bit magical and
3620 confusing
3621~winseg-ravtuc@ true ~timluc! this will require weeks for me to go ~16.42.32
3622 through :). Can`t wait to build apps on urbit!
3623~winseg-ravtuc@ is anyone running their urbit on an raspberry pi? ~16.43.02
3624~winseg-ravtuc@ or would you guys recommend me to get a VPS ? ~16.43.29
3625~risruc-habteb@ VPS. unless you have solid, reliable network at home. ~16.47.24
3626--------[6.490]
3627~risruc-habteb@ it's just less to worry about having guaranteed ~16.47.37
3628 uptime.
3629~timluc-miptev@ Code question from the tutorial: I'm looking at the ~16.48.17
3630 1.8.1 walkthrough, in this part:
3631~timluc-miptev@ |%
3632 ++ new-account
3633 |_ balance=@ud
3634 ++ deposit
3635 ~16.48.25
3636 |= amount=@ud
3637 +>.$(balance (add balance amount))
3638
3639 ++ withdraw
3640 |= amount=@ud
3641 +>.$(balance (sub
3642 balance amount))
3643 --
3644 --
3645~timluc-miptev@ ugh, doesn't format right, anyway it's that ~16.48.42
3646 walkthrough
3647~midlyx-hatrys@ I thought % is literal constructor prefix ~16.49.18
3648--------[6.495]
3649~palfun-foslup@ ~midlyx, |% is a rune though, separate from %constant ~16.50.18
3650 syntax
3651~midlyx-hatrys@ bah, tfw your message triggers a ~16.50.42
3652 resubscribe-and-catch-up of a page or two, and your
3653 message is kinda derp in the new context :)
3654~palfun-foslup@ oh, lol ~16.51.00
3655~midlyx-hatrys@ there is an OTA on the way that fixes this thing, ~16.51.30
3656 right? right?
3657~timluc-miptev@ So my question is what is going on here: `+>.$(balance ~16.51.45
3658 (add balance amount))`--I get that it's a wing
3659 expression
3660--------[6.500]
3661~timluc-miptev@ the explanation says: "This particularly wing ~16.51.52
3662 construction looks for the the tail of the tail (the
3663 third element) in $, the subject of the gate we are
3664 in, which is the entire new-account door."
3665~fabled-faster@ what is the dojo command to check one's base hash ~16.52.05
3666 again?
3667~midlyx-hatrys@ btw, great tip re: ~(. foo bar) ~palfun! ~16.52.18
3668~palfun-foslup@ ~fabled, .^(@uv %cz /=base=) ~16.52.28
3669~risruc-habteb@ .^(@uv %cz /=base=) ~16.52.31
3670--------[6.505]
3671~fabled-faster@ ty ~16.52.31
3672~risruc-habteb# .^(@uv %cz /=base=) ~16.52.47
3673~fabled-faster@ it's possible to just make a generator, place in /gen, ~16.52.51
3674 and create a +base right?
3675~midlyx-hatrys@ the tutorial examples about doors I've seen so far ~16.52.54
3676 always bugged me as too wasteful of computation
3677~risruc-habteb@ does that work? ~16.52.54
3678--------[6.510]
3679~fabled-faster@ if I wanted to? ~16.52.57
3680~palfun-foslup@ yes ~fabled ~16.53.10
3681~risruc-habteb@ in landscape chat, I meant. looks like not. ~16.53.19
3682~fabled-faster@ i should just do that, ty for helping ~16.53.27
3683~timluc-miptev@ Honestly I'm having a hard time just knowing what '$' ~16.53.32
3684 exactly refers to -- it gets thrown in out of nowhere,
3685 and the explanation isn't clear
3686--------[6.515]
3687~palfun-foslup@ ~timluc, $ generally refers to the most recently ~16.54.03
3688 defined gate-or-similar-bar-rune
3689~midlyx-hatrys@ $ is an arm name ~16.54.20
3690~palfun-foslup@ under the hood a |= adds itself to the subject as a ++ ~16.54.31
3691 $ arm (try looking up |= in the rune docs for its
3692 expeansion)
3693~timluc-miptev@ ok, so in this case it would be the `deposit` gate (on ~16.54.36
3694 this page:
3695 https://urbit.org/docs/tutorials/hoon/bank-account/)
3696~midlyx-hatrys@ |- & |= define cores with just one arm, and '$' is it ~16.54.47
3697--------[6.520]
3698~palfun-foslup@ deposit, and withdraw, respectively, yes ~16.54.57
3699~timluc-miptev@ right ~16.55.16
3700~timluc-miptev@ so that makes sense that it's just adding that arm to ~16.55.31
3701 the subject
3702~timluc-miptev@ so looking up '$' gets us that--what is the format of ~16.55.51
3703 the arm data structure?
3704~midlyx-hatrys@ |= is (letrec $ (...)) and |- is (letrec $ (...) ($ ~16.55.58
3705 ...))
3706--------[6.525]
3707~midlyx-hatrys@ arm is code ~16.56.28
3708~midlyx-hatrys@ the data structure is the containing core ~16.56.40
3709~timluc-miptev@ right, that much I know ~16.56.41
3710~timluc-miptev@ sorry, I mean I know that arm is code ~16.56.56
3711~midlyx-hatrys@ don't dwell on it too much, it'll click by itself ~16.57.06
3712 pretty soon :)
3713--------[6.530]
3714~timluc-miptev@ yeah, I sort of need to though, I like to have mental ~16.57.22
3715 models of the underlying data structures
3716~timluc-miptev@ but I think I'm close here ~16.57.26
3717~timluc-miptev@ so $ is NOT the arm, it's the core that was created ~16.57.42
3718 with one arm, correct?
3719~palfun-foslup@ roughly speaking, $ is the |=, which may or may not be ~16.58.00
3720 in an arm
3721~midlyx-hatrys@ $ names the arm. what exacly $() syntax means is a ~16.58.14
3722 subtly different story
3723--------[6.535]
3724~palfun-foslup@ more accurately, $ names the arm defined by |= under ~16.58.52
3725 the hood
3726~timluc-miptev@ ok, that makes sense, but also adds confusionn ~16.58.53
3727~palfun-foslup@ where "under the hood" means "in the code generated by ~16.59.00
3728 the compiler"
3729~midlyx-hatrys@ when you "call a method" (or pull an arm), its code is ~16.59.01
3730 run with the containing core as the subject
3731~timluc-miptev@ so what does it mean to run a wing expression on an ~16.59.20
3732 arm?
3733--------[6.540]
3734~timluc-miptev@ as is being done here? ~16.59.23
3735~timluc-miptev@ +>.$() is what is throwing me for a loop ~16.59.54
3736~palfun-foslup@ a(b c) means "evaluate a, with b (in a's context) ~17.00.24
3737 changed to the value c
3738~midlyx-hatrys@ it's "pull the arm $ with the unmodified subject, then ~17.00.47
3739 do +> on the result"
3740~timluc-miptev@ ah ok, I had the order of operations wrong ~17.01.14
3741--------[6.545]
3742~timluc-miptev@ so $() takes precedence over the wing expression ~17.01.23
3743~midlyx-hatrys@ yeah ~17.01.49
3744~timluc-miptev@ OK, so let me start from there, this is just a bit ~17.02.45
3745 hard to reason about
3746~midlyx-hatrys@ this ensures that only the most dedicated survive ~17.02.50
3747~timluc-miptev@ haha ~17.02.59
3748--------[6.550]
3749~midlyx-hatrys@ because urbit, as we know, is a cult ~17.03.13
3750~timluc-miptev@ I usually prefer my initiation rites to be more ~17.03.39
3751 titillating
3752~timluc-miptev@ but this will have to do ~17.03.43
3753~palfun-foslup@ don't worry we're gonna pull legs later on (^: ~17.04.17
3754~midlyx-hatrys@ and slam doors! ~17.04.30
3755--------[6.555]
3756~haddef-sigwen@ it's less strenuous for laymen, i had to pledge ~17.04.35
3757 allegiance to the cypherpunk manifesto and prank an
3758 FBI agent by filing him as dead
3759~midlyx-hatrys@ someone should make a hoon which is just a thin layer ~17.10.29
3760 above the existing AST
3761~midlyx-hatrys@ it'll be pretty transparently a lisp ~17.10.44
3762~midlyx-hatrys@ whether that would be an improvement ~17.11.12
3763 approachability-wise? no idea
3764~midlyx-hatrys@ to think that hoon looks the way it is because the ~17.13.02
3765 author dislikes existing languages and wanted to make
3766 something _better_, though
3767--------[6.560]
3768~timluc-miptev@ so let me back up now to the "pull arm $ with the ~17.14.38
3769 unmodified subject"
3770~midlyx-hatrys@ syntax aside, the whole subject-oriented aspect is ~17.14.44
3771 actually good, or at least has real merit, or at least
3772 very interesting
3773~timluc-miptev@ wouldn't that evaluate to running deposit (or withdraw ~17.15.32
3774 again)?
3775~timluc-miptev@ it feels like an infinite loop ~17.15.39
3776~timluc-miptev@ re the subject-oriented aspect, I'm not against it at ~17.15.59
3777 all--it feels like a good version of some Haskell
3778 monads
3779--------[6.565]
3780~timluc-miptev@ just trying to get a feel for what's actually going ~17.16.19
3781 on, since right now some of the stuff that should be
3782 simple feels opaque/magical/black-boxy
3783~midlyx-hatrys@ um, "with unmodified subject" referred to "$()", which ~17.16.59
3784 I don't actually see in the code
3785~midlyx-hatrys@ the bank-account example code does modify the subject, ~17.17.40
3786 or else it would indeed be an infinite loop
3787~timluc-miptev@ ++ deposit
3788 |= amount=@ud
3789 +>.$(balance (add ~17.18.10
3790 balance amount))
3791~timluc-miptev@ ugh, it's annoying to post code here, but short enough ~17.18.29
3792 that I think can be followed
3793--------[6.570]
3794~fabled-faster@ test ~17.19.11
3795~fabled-faster#_++ deposit |= amount=@ud +>.$(balance (add balance amo ~17.19.13
3796~timluc-miptev@ hmmm no line split ~17.19.22
3797~timluc-miptev@ is that ``` ? ~17.19.29
3798~timluc-miptev@ ~midlyx, I just don't understand what's happening when ~17.20.35
3799 we call ```$(balance (add balance amount))```
3800--------[6.575]
3801~timluc-miptev@ I thought that it would call deposit again, with ~17.21.00
3802 balance set to a new value
3803~timluc-miptev@ but that's clearly not happening, or else we'd recur ~17.21.14
3804 infinitely
3805~midlyx-hatrys@ derp, I lied to you ~17.21.20
3806~palfun-foslup@ hmm i'm now no longer seeing code results in code ~17.21.28
3807 snippets in chat. did i break this?
3808~midlyx-hatrys@ no precedence there ~17.21.33
3809--------[6.580]
3810~midlyx-hatrys@ "+>.$" is "$ of the core that contains this core", ~17.22.04
3811 i.e. the outer door
3812~midlyx-hatrys@ so you get a new door with the new balance ~17.22.28
3813~midlyx-hatrys@ or maybe I'm still confused! ~17.23.32
3814~midlyx-hatrys@ blind leading the blind and all ~17.23.40
3815~timluc-miptev@ Yeah, I don't want to be a syntax complainer, but this ~17.24.57
3816 is super-unclear, and not just to me apparently
3817--------[6.585]
3818~midlyx-hatrys@ oh yeah ~17.25.07
3819~midlyx-hatrys@ ah, ok, I think I get it ~17.25.27
3820~midlyx-hatrys@ it's the bloody arm evaluation rules ~17.25.44
3821~midlyx-hatrys@ there's nothing "called" here at all ~17.26.01
3822~midlyx-hatrys@ because when you treat an arm as data (by using wing ~17.26.40
3823 syntax on it), it always evaluates to its core
3824--------[6.590]
3825~timluc-miptev@ ok, let me back up and parse that, but I think that ~17.27.13
3826 makes sense
3827~midlyx-hatrys@ and +> of that core is the core's context, which is ~17.27.17
3828 the containing core, which is the door
3829~midlyx-hatrys@ except that core is modified with whatever is in the ~17.27.48
3830 parentheses
3831~timluc-miptev@ ok, so to start, we're using wing syntax, so basically ~17.28.01
3832 treating the arm as a core, right?
3833~midlyx-hatrys@ so you get an account thingy with the new balance ~17.28.08
3834--------[6.595]
3835~midlyx-hatrys@ yes ~17.28.13
3836~timluc-miptev@ so then +> is context in [sample context] ~17.28.38
3837~midlyx-hatrys@ aye ~17.28.44
3838~timluc-miptev@ cool, so why is the core's context the containing ~17.29.10
3839 core?
3840~midlyx-hatrys@ by construction ~17.29.22
3841--------[6.600]
3842~midlyx-hatrys@ the context is the subject at the time of producing ~17.29.43
3843 the core
3844~timluc-miptev@ ah ok ~17.29.55
3845~timluc-miptev@ think I got it ~17.29.59
3846~timluc-miptev@ let me talk to myself for 30 seconds ~17.30.03
3847~midlyx-hatrys@ and arms run with their containing core as the subject ~17.30.06
3848--------[6.605]
3849~timluc-miptev@ right ~17.30.12
3850~timluc-miptev@ ok so whenever we make a gate, we automatically inject ~17.31.11
3851 the current subject as context
3852~midlyx-hatrys@ indeed ~17.31.22
3853~timluc-miptev@ and if that subject is a core that the gate is nested ~17.31.52
3854 in, that means that core itself will be the context,
3855 ok
3856~midlyx-hatrys@ that's your stack discipline, lexical binding & ~17.32.11
3857 namespacing all wrapped in one martian concept
3858--------[6.610]
3859~timluc-miptev@ yup ~17.32.19
3860~timluc-miptev@ I can see where the win is; I'm guessing in practice ~17.32.52
3861 you try to avoid too many constructs like that?
3862~timluc-miptev@ seems like it would get write-only in a hurry ~17.33.00
3863~timluc-miptev@ but maybe I'm just not used to the idiom ~17.33.09
3864~midlyx-hatrys@ I also keep telling myself that ~17.33.20
3865--------[6.615]
3866~timluc-miptev@ haha ~17.33.48
3867~timluc-miptev@ so actually this is sort of a bastardized (not in a ~17.35.41
3868 bad way) version of a monad
3869~midlyx-hatrys@ have to run for a while, hopefully in the meanwhile ~17.35.53
3870 the present actual experts will point out where I lied
3871~timluc-miptev@ essentially it's a BankAccount monad that tracks ~17.35.56
3872 balance amount
3873~timluc-miptev@ so then you can run these imperative looking ~17.36.15
3874 statements, but really they're threading the state
3875 through
3876--------[6.620]
3877~midlyx-hatrys@ right ~17.36.38
3878~midlyx-hatrys@ (this probably whould go in the manual in some form) ~17.37.00
3879~timluc-miptev@ that's actually pretty cool for a low-level language ~17.37.03
3880~timluc-miptev@ yeah, I've been going to it, and so a lot of these ~17.37.29
3881 questions were me making sure I had a good handle on
3882 the `=` operations
3883~timluc-miptev@ Who was primarily responsible for the Hoon semantics? ~17.38.19
3884 Curtis, or does that post-date him?
3885--------[6.625]
3886~timluc-miptev@ it's pretty solid actually ~17.38.25
3887~timluc-miptev@ thanks for the help, ~midlyx ~17.41.38
3888~lapfur-mogpet@ ~timluc-miptev, where is the hoontards chat? I'm going ~17.47.27
3889 to embark on learning hoon next week.
3890~rabsef-bicrym@ It is at ~somlus-savlev/hoontards ~17.51.11
3891~lapfur-mogpet@ thanks! ~17.51.21
3892--------[6.630]
3893~borlyt^salnus@ testing moon ~17.56.22
3894~somlus-savlev@ The level of competency for hoontards is generally: ~18.05.03
3895 knows onw'
3896~somlus-savlev@ one's way around excel, has never coded. ~18.05.07
3897~somlus-savlev@ Super basic stuff, learning our way around the rules ~18.06.05
3898 of syntax and very basic concepts, adding numbers
3899 together, etc, understanding simple code line by line.
3900~somlus-savlev@ looks like moons can communicate again? ~18.21.52
3901--------[6.635]
3902~borlyt^salnus@ yep seems like it ~18.25.34
3903~borlyt^salnus@ quite a pity moons have no icons tho ~18.26.46
3904~somlus-savlev@ They could.. ~18.31.32
3905~somlus-savlev/ https://i.imgur.com/NQMfybD.png ~18.31.35
3906~somlus-savlev@ ~balbel-dinruc-somlus-savlev ~18.32.15
3907--------[6.640]
3908~timluc-miptev@ playboy moon ~18.33.18
3909~biszod-dottem@ . ~18.39.06
3910~minder-folden@ ~biszod-dottem living up to the name ~18.48.47
3911~poldec-tonteg@ wow ~18.57.11
3912~ridlur-figbud@ ayyy dott'em ~18.57.52
3913--------[6.645]
3914~ravmel-ropdyl@ moons are like skyscrapers ~19.10.35
3915~fabled-faster@ I always loved the 8x8 moon representations ~19.14.40
3916~fabled-faster@ comets look so cool rendered as glyphs ~19.14.55
3917~rovnys-ricfer@ I've never seen a comet sigil ~19.28.27
3918~rovnys-ricfer@ oh, wait, as glyphs? what do you mean, ~fabled? ~19.28.50
3919--------[6.650]
3920~fabled-faster@ i mean like, the 'idea' of comets being inscribed into ~19.30.27
3921 sigil form is incredibly cool to me
3922~fabled-faster@ but afaik they wouldn't make sense in terms of ~19.30.38
3923 interfaces
3924~fabled-faster/_d2w9rnfcy7mm78.cloudfront.net ~19.36.21
3925~fabled-faster@ i forgot if i fucked up the counting – comets are 32 ~19.37.15
3926 three-word names right?
3927~fabled-faster@ nvm ~19.37.54
3928--------[6.655]
3929~risruc-habteb@ no, you got it rigght. ~19.38.37
3930~risruc-habteb@ 128 bit = 16 syllables ~19.39.37
3931~timluc-miptev@ Question about Bridge that I couldn't find in ~19.44.27
3932 documentation: when I sign an Eth transaction to prove
3933 I own my planet (to, say, reset Networking Keys),
3934 which server logic does the check that approves me?
3935~timluc-miptev@ i.e. who runs the Bridge server? ~19.44.35
3936~palfun-foslup@ ~timluc, bridge, once loaded into your browser, runs ~19.44.51
3937 locally
3938--------[6.660]
3939~palfun-foslup@ the only external calls it makes are 1) requesting ~19.45.11
3940 funding for transactions 2) submitting transactions
3941~palfun-foslup@ also 3) sending emails if you're doing invites ~19.45.18
3942~ravmel-ropdyl@ mcmaster carr is truly the greatest website of all ~19.45.20
3943 time
3944~palfun-foslup@ iow, there is no real "bridge server", just a couple ~19.46.04
3945 services
3946~bannum-magtus@ morning martians ~19.49.59
3947--------[6.665]
3948~bannum-magtus@ happy fridayyyyyy ~19.50.01
3949~palfun-foslup@ damn ~bannum jealous of your timezone as always ~19.50.40
3950~risruc-habteb@ agreed, ~ravmel ~19.50.43
3951~risruc-habteb@ particularly for the one-click cad / drawings on all ~19.51.07
3952 parts
3953~rovnys-ricfer@ bridge is run by a Moldovan conglomerate that also ~19.51.11
3954 includes import/export and waste management services
3955--------[6.670]
3956~fabled-faster@ wow ~19.51.39
3957~midlyx-hatrys@ +code ~19.53.46
3958~midlyx-hatrys@ argh ~19.54.17
3959~midlyx-hatrys@ why doesn't %= work with faces? ~19.54.30
3960~palfun-foslup@ but it does? ~19.54.41
3961--------[6.675]
3962~palfun-foslup@ can you give an example ~19.54.54
3963~midlyx-hatrys@ face=|=(x=@ face(x (dec x))) ~19.56.40
3964~palfun-foslup@ two things: ~19.57.18
3965~palfun-foslup@ 1) that's an infinite loop (; ~19.57.24
3966~palfun-foslup@ 2) because this is ^= face that-gate, and not ++ ~19.58.02
3967 face that-gate, "face" is not reachable/known within
3968 the |=
3969--------[6.680]
3970~midlyx-hatrys@ I have a hunch the face is not directly the problem ~19.58.17
3971 here, but can't really say
3972~midlyx-hatrys@ 1) who cares, it doesn't compile 2) ah! ~19.58.44
3973~midlyx-hatrys@ is there any way to give a core a face that is seen ~19.59.20
3974 inside?
3975~palfun-foslup@ in some cases where type resolution is involved, i ~19.59.35
3976 believe infinite loops might make it fail to compile?
3977~palfun-foslup@ you could just do =* face $ right after you declare ~19.59.53
3978 the |=
3979--------[6.685]
3980~midlyx-hatrys@ motivation: I find the +>$(...) (or +>..()) thing ~20.00.04
3981 kinda awful
3982~palfun-foslup@ ie |=(x=@ =*(face $ face(x (dec x)))) ~20.00.12
3983~palfun-foslup@ modern hoon generally has a +* arm at the start of a ~20.00.33
3984 |_ where you say +* this .
3985~palfun-foslup@ and then use "this" in place of "+>.$" ~20.00.40
3986~midlyx-hatrys@ aha ~20.01.08
3987--------[6.690]
3988~midlyx-hatrys@ cool, thank you! ~20.02.41
3989~rovnys-ricfer@ a relatively common pattern is to rename the $ arm in ~20.03.51
3990 gates for more clarity: |= arg=@ =* loop $ ?:
3991 =(arg 0) 0 loop(arg (dec arg))
3992~midlyx-hatrys@ this might call for a new door rune btw, which is like ~20.04.17
3993 |_ but also takes a name
3994~midlyx-hatrys@ or not, what do I know ~20.04.25
3995~rovnys-ricfer@ this is a relatively frequent suggestion ~20.04.42
3996--------[6.695]
3997~rovnys-ricfer@ not without merit ~20.04.49
3998~rovnys-ricfer@ I prefer to always default to $, though, and only ~20.05.25
3999 rename the recursive arm if there are multiple levels
4000 of recursion
4001~rovnys-ricfer@ the reason is that once you get used to it, you can ~20.05.43
4002 very quickly spot recursion by looking for $()
4003~rovnys-ricfer@ so your eyes can immediately identify the span of a ~20.06.14
4004 loop by starting at a | rune and ending in a $()
4005~rovnys-ricfer@ that being said, I consider ^$ and other shadowing ~20.06.42
4006 constructs to generally be harmful
4007--------[6.700]
4008~rovnys-ricfer@ they're 1) hard to read, 2) easy to mess up, and 3) ~20.07.23
4009 are expressed in relative rather than absolute terms,
4010 meaning if you refactor your code you often need to
4011 add or subtract a ^ to adjust the shadowing level
4012~midlyx-hatrys@ yeah, I was more talking about doors that play at ~20.07.23
4013 stateful objects, not $. $'s cool
4014~midlyx-hatrys@ also, amen ~20.08.42
4015~midlyx-hatrys@ (adding a "+* account ." arm to the door in the bank ~20.13.11
4016 account example and then using "account" instead of
4017 "+>$" maked things _much_ more readable. I reserve
4018 the right to revise this judgement as I learn more
4019 hoon, but I doubt I will)
4020~rovnys-ricfer@ oh yeah, pretty much whenever I produce the current ~20.24.15
4021 core as a result of an arm, I name the core
4022--------[6.705]
4023~palfun-foslup@ ~midlyx i'd +1 the docs pr! ~20.34.54
4024~sicbud-hathes@ one thing ive always wondered is where landscape gets ~21.16.10
4025 its weather data from
4026~poldec-tonteg@ tlon weather balloon ~21.17.09
4027~minder-folden@ *finger guns & a wink at ~poldec* ~21.52.05
4028~migtem_marzod@ See now im wondering how long before theres a urbit ~22.21.57
4029 satellite in orbit
4030--------[6.710]
4031~fabled-faster@ cubesats are relatively easy to get launched into ~22.22.56
4032 orbit
4033~sicbud-hathes@ i keep getting this error on my ship ~22.23.56
4034~sicbud-hathes@ [%error-results i=[id='logs by hash' code='-32000' ~22.23.58
4035 message='unknown block'] t=~]
4036
4037~palfun-foslup@ do those things actually stay up for long? ~22.24.01
4038~palfun-foslup@ the cubesats, not the errors (^: ~22.24.21
4039--------[6.715]
4040~palfun-foslup@ those errors are transient and harmless, your ship ~22.24.33
4041 will retry and succeed eventually
4042~fabled-faster@ good question, I'm not sure ~22.24.33
4043~sicbud-hathes@ kk ~22.24.39
4044~walnev-ladnev@ . ~23.08.08
4045~palfun-foslup@ quiet night tonight ~23.10.36
4046--------[6.720]
4047~ravmel-ropdyl@ it's weirdly quiet here too ~23.17.14
4048~littel-ponnys@ it's weirdly quiet here now that the construction ~23.19.12
4049 noises are gone.
4050~wicdev-wisryt@ we could put in occasional "responding; still trying" ~23.22.08
4051 messages
4052~wicdev-wisryt remains quietly present ~23.22.17
4053~minder-folden joins the quiet noise. ~23.22.41
4054--------[6.725]
4055~ravmel-ropdyl@ whew i love it ~23.24.56
4056~minder-folden@ What's good on your side of Mars? ~23.34.16
4057~podleg-ramduc@ hello ~23.36.29
4058~ravmel-ropdyl@ hello ~23.36.44
4059~minder-folden@ ~podleg, good to see you ~23.37.28
4060--------[6.730]
4061~minder-folden@ I hear rumors of an OTA? ~23.41.42
4062~fabled-faster@ hello ~23.43.25
4063~minder-folden@ Hey ~fabled, how are you? ~23.45.06
4064~litmus-ritten@ ping ~00.01.16
4065~sicbud-hathes@ bong ~00.06.58
4066--------[6.735]
4067~minder-folden@ ~litmus, heard ~00.07.03
4068~litmus-ritten@ Thank you. ~00.09.39
4069~somlus-savlev@ good name litmus ~00.11.09
4070~bannum-magtus@ pong ~00.11.36
4071~litmus-ritten@ ~sitful-hatred is my favourite name here. So ~00.13.25
4072 evocative.
4073--------[6.740]
4074~sicbud-hathes@ i dont know which one is better ~00.14.37
4075~palfun-foslup@ just realized ~simpel-hatred also exists ~00.14.40
4076~socsen-figrum@ Does anyone have any suggestions for other cool chats ~00.15.03
4077 to join? :)
4078~palfun-foslup@ what are you into ~socsen? ~paldev has a bunch of ~00.15.47
4079 topic-centric channels, like ~paldev/music
4080~palfun-foslup@ also ~paldev/nopub for general banter ~00.16.00
4081--------[6.745]
4082~socsen-figrum@ Any bitcoin chats? I will join the music one! ~00.16.50
4083~ridlur-figbud@ still waiting for ~parret-barret to show up ~00.17.12
4084~sicbud-hathes@ nopub is extremely high quality ~00.17.13
4085~haddef-sigwen@ ~napter-matnep/bitcoin ~00.17.22
4086~palfun-foslup@ also ~pindet-timmut/urbitcoiners for bitcoin-on-urbit ~00.17.51
4087 and related talk
4088--------[6.750]
4089~socsen-figrum@ Thank you! :) ~00.18.16
4090~haddef-sigwen@ i found ~napter's chat to be fairly high quality thus ~00.19.04
4091 far, good discourse
4092~sicbud-hathes@ are moons working yet? ~00.21.37
4093~wicdev-wisryt@ nope ~00.21.52
4094~sicbud-hathes@ i heard somewhere that they were but mine isnt working ~00.21.56
4095--------[6.755]
4096~sicbud-hathes@ yeah i assumed so ~00.22.01
4097~wicdev-wisryt@ i'm getting close with them ~00.22.04
4098~wicdev-wisryt@ i think they work as well on my branch as they ever ~00.22.25
4099 did, but i want to fix one or two more issues
4100~somlus-savlev@ I created a new moon from scratch and it was able to ~00.22.37
4101 post on the chats, so I figured it was fixed.
4102~somlus-savlev@ thanks for working on that ~wicdev ~00.22.50
4103--------[6.760]
4104~racwyl-padfes@ What does "spider got agent for non-existent" mean ~00.23.31
4105 when calling -dns-address &dns-address [%if <ship ip>]
4106 ?
4107~sicbud-hathes@ the spider met with the cia but they didnt hold up ~00.24.49
4108 their end of the bargin
4109~sicbud-hathes@ or something else which it probably means ~00.24.58
4110~dilfel-togfus@ hello ~00.29.26
4111~sicbud-hathes@ hi ~dilfel ~00.31.22
4112--------[6.765]
4113~racwyl-padfes@ I'm leaning towards the "something else" theory. ~00.31.44
4114~sicbud-hathes@ urbit is actually powered by tiny spiders ~00.32.12
4115~sicbud-hathes@ they live in your computer ~00.32.19
4116~sicbud-hathes@ ive seen them ~00.32.27
4117~littel-ponnys@ that sounds absolutely metal ~00.32.37
4118--------[6.770]
4119~wicdev-wisryt@ spider is what runs threads, like -dns-address ~00.34.51
4120~wicdev-wisryt@ "spider spawns threads" ~00.34.58
4121~wicdev-wisryt@ when it says it got a sign for a non-existent thread, ~00.35.31
4122 that means it got a response from the kernel for a
4123 thread that doesn't exist anymore
4124~wicdev-wisryt@ usually this is harmless ~00.35.36
4125~rivmep-darref@ hi there ~00.45.42
4126--------[6.775]
4127~litmus-ritten@ Good day, ~00.56.10
4128~ronreg-ribdev@ hi ~litmus ~01.13.51
4129~ronreg-ribdev@ heh litmus is a valid star name ~01.14.01
4130~wicdev-wisryt@ ~litmus-tastedr ~01.18.30
4131~wicdev-wisryt@ ~litmus-taster ~01.18.33
4132--------[6.780]
4133~litmus-ritten@ How easy is it for me to brick my planet in dojo ~01.35.44
4134 learning hoon? Should I be using a comet?
4135~litmus-ritten@ (By brick I mean render my planet inoperable on the ~01.36.33
4136 network until a breach).
4137~wicdev-wisryt@ using dojo you're really unlikely to break it ~01.36.42
4138~wicdev-wisryt@ unless you do weird things with merging and syncing ~01.36.55
4139~wicdev-wisryt@ but it's never a bad idea to use a comet ~01.37.01
4140--------[6.785]
4141~litmus-ritten@ Thanks for the advice. ~01.37.19
4142~wicdev-wisryt@ and worst case, you can do a personal breach, so you ~01.37.20
4143 won't have to wait for a full network breach
4144~litmus-ritten@ Oh yes I forgot about that. ~01.37.34
4145~wicdev-wisryt@ looks like ~paldev is down/hung ~02.12.10
4146~migtem_marzod@ It's also possible to run urbit in a local only mode, ~02.23.32
4147 where breaking things isnt an issue
4148--------[6.790]
4149~migtem_marzod/ https://urbit.org/using/develop/ ~02.24.27
4150~migtem_marzod@ See "Creating a development ship" ~02.24.32
4151~walnev-ladnev@ Can we've some read mark like discord do? ~02.29.14
4152~walnev-ladnev@ ~simple-hatred sound like a hate speech forum ~02.31.07
4153~sillus-mallus@ how long typically does this chat take to update with ~02.49.24
4154 messages since you've been gone
4155--------[6.795]
4156~wicdev-wisryt@ i expect it to be about 2 minutes ~02.54.09
4157~wicdev-wisryt@ because that's the max retry timeout ~02.54.31
4158~wicdev-wisryt@ ie that's how often ~dopzod will ping to see if you're ~02.54.43
4159 up and ready to receive new messages
4160~sillus-mallus@ it seems like it's being weird for me for some raisin. ~02.59.15
4161 but maybe that's because i shut down and rebooted 9
4162 hours later.
4163~sillus-mallus@ none of the messages from the time since have shown ~02.59.37
4164 up.
4165--------[6.800]
4166~sillus-mallus@ oh, double weird: actually the old messages are ~03.00.27
4167 showing up in the terminal but not the web client.
4168~wicdev-wisryt@ even if you refresh? ~03.01.02
4169~wicdev-wisryt@ the web client gets stale sometimes ~03.01.17
4170~sillus-mallus@ aha! refreshing has populated the history correctly on ~03.01.20
4171 the web.
4172~sillus-mallus@ wicdev - what is the journal of urbit content you ~03.02.10
4173 have, may i subscribe to it?
4174--------[6.805]
4175~risruc-habteb@ :publish|subscribe ~wicdev-wisryt %bulletin-board ~03.03.16
4176~risruc-habteb@ if you're going to subscribe, you better make sure to ~03.04.16
4177 say his name correctly. "wisryt" rhymes with "this
4178 right".
4179~risruc-habteb@ you'll thank me later. ~03.04.22
4180~sillus-mallus@ :publish>subscribe ~wicdev-wisryt %bulletin-board ~03.05.05
4181~sillus-mallus@ well that didn't work ~03.05.09
4182--------[6.810]
4183~sillus-mallus@ seems the Digital Ocean Droplet Console pastes | as ~03.05.27
4184 ... >
4185~risruc-habteb@ haha. well, you'll have to switch to dojo. ~03.05.33
4186~risruc-habteb@ and yes, if you're getting >, then you'll have to use ~03.05.47
4187 Alt +124 to get |
4188~sillus-mallus@ that is fascinatingly bad ~03.06.26
4189~risruc-habteb@ but long term... it's better to not use the DO ~03.06.30
4190 console. set up an ssh key and use putty if you're on
4191 windows.
4192--------[6.815]
4193~sillus-mallus@ thanks ~03.06.36
4194~risruc-habteb@ the DO console doesn't let you copy/paste either for ~03.07.04
4195 example.
4196~sillus-mallus@ web dev is so good ~03.07.19
4197~risruc-habteb@ and you won't be able to use it to transfer files ~03.07.23
4198 to/from your urbit, if you end up doing development
4199~somlus-savlev@ . ~03.34.00
4200--------[6.820]
4201~littel-wolfur@ o/ ~03.37.23
4202~ponmep-litsem@ That *should not* work. ~04.08.22
4203~ponmep-litsem@ Uh, I was replying to some older message. ~04.11.55
4204~ponmep-litsem@ A planet is master to the moons. Moons might be your ~04.12.43
4205 kid's phones, your robo-cleaner and so on. Planet is
4206 supposed to give you supervision over those devices,
4207 unlike now, where each of your devices is essentially
4208 out of control. Your phone talks to google in secret
4209 and unless you go through pains of deciphering the
4210 traffic (which might not even be possible) the best it
4211 will do is to render your device unusable.
4212~ponmep-litsem@ To have this capability, at least for now, the planet ~04.13.30
4213 has to be online as long as you want your moons to be
4214 able to communicate
4215--------[6.825]
4216~ponmep-litsem@ In the future you will probably have an "Urbox" ~04.14.00
4217 instead of a router with your master identity
4218~ponmep-litsem@ I usually just rent some cheap VPN and put my planet ~04.16.47
4219 there. So far no dedicated urboxes in sight, but it is
4220 just a matter of time.
4221~minder-folden@ ~ponmep, I use digital ocean for my planet. 24/7 ~04.32.09
4222 uptime, static ip, etc.
4223~rabsef-bicrym@ ive had the issues w/ web console access on digital ~05.43.29
4224 ocean. pissed me off cuz i didnt realize jt until
4225 after id set a passeord that way - then had to figure
4226 out what the character was that was swapping so i
4227 could type in my password
4228~rabsef-bicrym@ but now i have terminal on phone. is nice ~05.43.48
4229--------[6.830]
4230~ronreg-ribdev@ hm, the chat got wedged, and wasn't updating ~07.28.06
4231~ronreg-ribdev@ I had to do |hi dopzod to fix that ~07.28.12
4232~ronreg-ribdev@ are people seeing what I'm writing now though? ~07.28.19
4233~borlyt-salnus@ yea ~07.28.44
4234~ronreg-ribdev@ awesome ~07.28.47
4235--------[6.835]
4236~ronreg-ribdev@ this current breach is the first time I personally ~07.29.14
4237 remember seeing enough people using urbit chat to care
4238 strongly about retaining previous messages :)
4239~borlyt-salnus@ nice ~07.29.34
4240~borlyt-salnus@ i joined at a good time then ~07.29.39
4241~ronreg-ribdev@ ah yeah a bunch of chats I thought had no one talking ~07.30.01
4242 in them, I can unwedge by |hi-ing their host
4243~rovnys-ricfer@ hmm, that sounds... maybe like a nat traversal issue ~07.31.12
4244--------[6.840]
4245~borlyt-salnus@ yeah ~07.31.26
4246~borlyt-salnus@ for some reason the join chats function is also kinda ~07.31.43
4247 buggy
4248~rovnys-ricfer@ how so? ~07.31.54
4249~borlyt-salnus@ usually doesn't do anythng for a while ~07.32.02
4250~borlyt-salnus@ i get some message about trying to reach host and ~07.32.50
4251 stuff
4252--------[6.845]
4253~borlyt-salnus@ it works after a while tho ~07.32.59
4254~rovnys-ricfer@ ok, I think that's probably just setting up ~07.33.22
4255 subscriptions and downloading the backlog
4256~rovnys-ricfer@ (after initial peer discovery, maybe) ~07.33.30
4257~rovnys-ricfer@ we should probably just be more explicit in the ui ~07.33.40
4258 that the chat is starting
4259~rovnys-ricfer@ or downloading or whatever ~07.33.44
4260--------[6.850]
4261~rovnys-ricfer@ but I don't think that's a bug, exactly ~07.33.56
4262~rovnys-ricfer@ needing to |hi certainly is a bug, though ~07.34.04
4263~ronreg-ribdev/ https://urbit.live/~molten-botnet ~07.57.53
4264~rovnys-ricfer@ cool name ~08.01.56
4265~rovnys-ricfer@ sigil looks good too ~08.02.00
4266--------[6.855]
4267~rovnys-ricfer/ https://github.com/urbit/urbit/issues/2091 ~08.12.26
4268~rovnys-ricfer@ ~borlyt I made a github issue about needing to |hi ~08.12.36
4269~todmyl-rapryp@ This planet is full of spiders: No seriously dude ~09.11.30
4270 don't touch it.
4271~todmyl-rapryp@ im sure this has been asked before but how can i tell ~09.12.50
4272 at what iteration a star will become active?
4273~timluc-miptev@ Was ~dopzod down an hour ago? ~09.49.27
4274--------[6.860]
4275~timluc-miptev@ I wasn't able to hi, then just came back to the ~09.49.37
4276 happiness of stuff working
4277~timluc-miptev@ honestly felt a bit like withdrawal, which I suppose ~09.50.29
4278 is a good sign for the proje t
4279~palfun-foslup@ good morning u-h ~09.50.52
4280~timluc-miptev@ morning ~10.05.55
4281~timluc-miptev@ What is the following syntax doing? ~10.29.37
4282--------[6.865]
4283~timluc-miptev@ %+ curl (scan url auri:de-purl:html)
4284 |= ~10.29.41
4285 hit/httr:eyre
4286~timluc-miptev@ from `|= hit/httr:eyre` ~10.29.53
4287~timluc-miptev@ I don't follow yet what it means to have the gate's ~10.30.08
4288 sample in that format
4289~palfun-foslup@ that's old syntax for |= hit=httr:eyre ~10.36.59
4290~palfun-foslup@ (also i believe the httr and purl types are old-eyre ~10.37.43
4291 only, and generally shouldn't be used. purl is still
4292 useful if you want to do url analysis/surgery)
4293--------[6.870]
4294~timluc-miptev@ ah ok, that makes sense syntactically ~10.43.39
4295~rabsef-bicrym@ testing ~11.34.53
4296~rabsef-bicrym@ oh yay ~11.35.06
4297~rabsef-bicrym@ "i will not break my urbit haphazardly" is my new ~11.37.46
4298 positive affirmation
4299~timluc-miptev@ yeah good luck with that one ~11.44.14
4300--------[6.875]
4301~timluc-miptev@ I'm on Day 0 of that affirmation again ~11.44.25
4302~rabsef-bicrym@ lol same ~11.44.59
4303~rabsef-bicrym@ bout to test if i can do the bad thing i just did, ~11.45.57
4304 again
4305~timluc-miptev@ Excellent! ~11.46.24
4306~timluc-miptev@ gl ~11.46.25
4307--------[6.880]
4308~palfun-foslup@ is it tab in empty prompt? ~11.46.33
4309~palfun-foslup@ in chat-cli, that is ~11.46.49
4310~rabsef-bicrym@ i can do it ~11.46.51
4311~rabsef-bicrym@ apparently in my phone terminal doubleclicking sends a ~11.47.25
4312 tab? is tab bad in chatcli
4313~rabsef-bicrym@ it did break it ahain and i had to relink ~11.47.40
4314--------[6.885]
4315~palfun-foslup@ there's a bug where hitting it in empty prompt ~11.47.45
4316 crashes/unlinks
4317~palfun-foslup@ a fix for that will go ota soon ~11.47.51
4318~rabsef-bicrym@ well there we go ~11.48.11
4319~rabsef-bicrym@ far less serious than i had imagined ~11.48.32
4320~rabsef-bicrym@ does this mean that tlon is a 5 spaces company not a ~11.48.52
4321 tab company
4322--------[6.890]
4323~rabsef-bicrym@ also sorry if i missed your explanation immediatet ~11.49.51
4324 preceding my re-entry. i was busy breaking it again
4325~palfun-foslup@ >5 spaces ~11.50.11
4326~palfun-foslup@ that's monstrous lol ~11.50.14
4327~palfun-foslup@ we're a 2 spaces company ~11.50.18
4328~nidsut-tomdun used himself as experiment for OTA release candidate ~11.50.54
4329 again
4330--------[6.895]
4331~nidsut-tomdun@ nothing seems to have exploded.. ~11.51.09
4332~palfun-foslup@ absolute madman ~11.51.10
4333~nidsut-tomdun@ getting a few 'eth-watcher failed; will retry' errors ~11.53.39
4334 followed by '%thread-not-thread'
4335~nidsut-tomdun@ not sure if i was getting those previously or not ~11.53.44
4336~palfun-foslup@ "failed will retry" is generally harmless, ~11.54.03
4337--------[6.900]
4338~palfun-foslup@ though i don't tihn ki've seen the %thread-not-thread ~11.54.12
4339 case before
4340~nidsut-tomdun@ it does appear to be new ~11.54.14
4341~palfun-foslup@ i doubt eth-watcher will fall over though ~11.54.18
4342~nidsut-tomdun@ hmm, this looks like it could actually be a bug ~11.56.56
4343~palfun-foslup@ is it not just a side-effect of rebuilding spider ~11.58.11
4344 while it still had threads running?
4345--------[6.905]
4346~palfun-foslup@ ~wicdev explained yesterday that it just discards ~11.58.35
4347 everything on-upgrade, so all running threads will
4348 need to be restarted
4349~timluc-miptev@ What are the general directions that are being worked ~11.59.08
4350 on to make ships more durable? I totally get the
4351 difficulty of the constraint that the network has to
4352 maintain a consistent state--what are the approaches
4353 to handling recovery without just blowing the ship up?
4354~palfun-foslup@ oh but %thread-not-thread doesn't seem to be that ~11.59.23
4355 case, but rather failure to compile/run a thread?
4356~nidsut-tomdun@ aha that sounds likely ~11.59.24
4357~palfun-foslup@ if the error repeats, i'd say it's a problem. nbr ~11.59.43
4358 otherwsie
4359--------[6.910]
4360~palfun-foslup@ nbd* ~11.59.45
4361~nidsut-tomdun@ yeah it has repeated three times, each for eth-watcher ~12.00.02
4362~nidsut-tomdun@ i'll observe it to see if it pops up again ~12.00.09
4363~palfun-foslup@ can you link me a diff of the ota? ~12.00.25
4364~nidsut-tomdun@ check out the arvo.2019.12.12.rc-1 tag ~12.00.40
4365--------[6.915]
4366~nidsut-tomdun@ git show arvo.2019.12.12.rc-1 for commit-level summary ~12.01.12
4367~palfun-foslup@ ~timluc that's (mostly) a case-by-case question. the ~12.01.17
4368 broad answer is "write less bugs" i guess?
4369~nidsut-tomdun@ yeah a fourth eth-watcher complaint + ~12.02.02
4370 %thread-not-thread
4371~nidsut-tomdun@ i will possibly let ~wicdev sort this out and deploy ~12.02.38
4372 tomorrow, otherwise it seems to work fine
4373~palfun-foslup@ hmm ~12.03.43
4374--------[6.920]
4375~palfun-foslup@ if you -eth-watcher in dojo, does that compile at ~12.03.59
4376 leats?
4377~palfun-foslup@ it should give you a %false-start error if you run it ~12.05.01
4378 like that (because lack of args)
4379~nidsut-tomdun@ thread failed: %thread-no-thread ~12.05.28
4380~nidsut-tomdun@ er, %thread-not-thread ~12.05.39
4381~nidsut-tomdun@ that's a weird-looking branch of the code to hit ~12.05.57
4382 anyway
4383--------[6.925]
4384~palfun-foslup@ hmm yeah, looking at spider more, a compile failure ~12.05.57
4385 should give a %build-thread error anyway
4386~norsyr-torryn@ hi all! I've just requested DNS for my planet and I've ~12.08.58
4387 noticed that the thread seems to hang on to the dojo?
4388 after entering "-dns-address ... ", typing enter,
4389 arrow up, or other commands print this: %dy-no-prompt
4390 %dy-edit-busy and after pressing random keys: "!
4391 cancel /wool" and then dojo is usable again
4392~palfun-foslup@ the /ted/eth-watcher didn't even get touched ~12.08.59
4393~palfun-foslup@ i did make changes to /lib/ethio which it uses, but if ~12.09.37
4394 that made /ted/eth-watcher produce not-a-thread-type
4395 results in some cases, surely that'd give nest fails
4396 etc
4397~palfun-foslup@ ~norsyr, requests are fulfilled manually right now, so ~12.10.05
4398 they're ultra-slow, and cause "hangs" like that
4399--------[6.930]
4400~palfun-foslup@ i can go fulfill your req in a little bit ~12.10.09
4401~palfun-foslup@ double-checked the ethio diff, seems very benign ~12.11.21
4402~palfun-foslup@ sorry ~nidsut, i'm deferring to ~wicdev on this also ~12.11.30
4403~norsyr-torryn@ ah right, i was still in my old-unix mode of "this ~12.11.36
4404 will run in the background" :D thanks!
4405~palfun-foslup@ ah fug there's like 20 pending requests ~12.15.37
4406--------[6.935]
4407~risruc-habteb@ to the punishment room, ~palfun ~12.20.03
4408~nidsut-tomdun@ . ~12.24.10
4409~nidsut-tomdun@ had to kick :chat-cli to see the latest bunch of ~12.24.54
4410 messages
4411~nidsut-tomdun@ no worries ~palfun, let us both defer to ~wicdev ~12.25.09
4412~palfun-foslup@ kinda surprised by how many of these dns requests are ~12.33.01
4413 for ships that already have records, but want to point
4414 to new ips
4415--------[6.940]
4416~palfun-foslup@ does nobody have static ips? ~12.33.15
4417~risruc-habteb@ will be interesting to see how long until next ~12.38.49
4418 request.
4419~palfun-foslup@ alright, all dns requests fulfilled ~12.39.10
4420~risruc-habteb@ it's likely that many people took the recent breach as ~12.39.21
4421 a good opportunity to move to a new location.
4422~fosmec-wisbyr@ hello! ~12.43.18
4423--------[6.945]
4424~risruc-habteb@ hello ~fosmec-wisbyr ~12.44.46
4425~risruc-habteb@ dig your sigil. ~12.45.10
4426~risruc-habteb@ corresponds nicely with my own. ~12.45.38
4427~fosmec-wisbyr@ thanks :) ~12.45.39
4428~fosmec-wisbyr@ yours looks nice too :)) ~12.45.56
4429--------[6.950]
4430~risruc-habteb@ also your last name looks close to whisper ~12.46.16
4431~fosmec-wisbyr@ yeah I noticed that lel. Bought the planet mostly for ~12.47.03
4432 the sigil though.
4433~risruc-habteb@ although I believe the correct pronunciation is "wiss ~12.47.14
4434 bire"
4435~fosmec-wisbyr@ might be :) ~12.47.54
4436~midlyx-hatrys@ . ~12.56.40
4437--------[6.955]
4438~fosmec-wisbyr@ . ~12.56.52
4439~minder-folden@ ~risruc-habteb > good opportunity to move to a new ~13.36.07
4440 location. That's exactly what I did. Last era I was on
4441 my laptop for the whole thing, but started a chat
4442 where people were hanging out at all hours; realized
4443 any time I travel it would go down, so I moved to a
4444 droplet where I expect to stay for awhile.
4445~fosmec-wisbyr@ raspberry pis are a good idea if you have stable ~13.38.19
4446 internet and power
4447~fosmec-wisbyr@ although selfhosting is usually annoying. ~13.43.38
4448~rabsef-bicrym@ i love cafeterias - is bennigans a cafeteria re: ~13.43.46
4449 buffet plate
4450--------[6.960]
4451~rabsef-bicrym@ luby's cafeteria is so awesome i wish it were ~13.44.57
4452 profitable for them to run in my atate
4453~risruc-habteb@ you hopped chat channels. but bennican's is an ~13.45.29
4454 irish-pub styled american restaurant chain.
4455~rabsef-bicrym@ oh sorry lol ~13.46.06
4456~minder-folden@ ~fosmec, I was under the impression that urbit doesn't ~13.50.49
4457 run on a raspberry pi without significant headaches
4458~borlyt-salnus@ you are right ~minder ~13.53.27
4459--------[6.965]
4460~borlyt-salnus@ source: the past 2 days for me ~13.53.33
4461~rabsef-bicrym@ could nock conceptually be like assembly on some ~13.55.36
4462 hardware or is thst not possible
4463~divmec-panfex@ Totally possible, ~13.56.39
4464~borlyt-salnus@ i think that's the end goal ~13.56.59
4465~rabsef-bicrym@ cool - i thought so but i dont really understand ~13.57.24
4466 assembly
4467--------[6.970]
4468~divmec-panfex@ Come to think of it, an Urbit hypervisor would be a ~13.58.16
4469 heck of an Pi Assembly Code project.
4470~rabsef-bicrym@ as long as my thoughts are directionally right i dont ~13.58.19
4471 sweat the details lol
4472~fosmec-wisbyr@ rasbian is Debian ~14.00.19
4473~divmec-panfex@ stranger things have been created in Pi assembly: ~14.00.41
4474~divmec-panfex/_www.raspberrypi.org ~14.00.42
4475--------[6.975]
4476~fosmec-wisbyr@ so it should work same as Ubuntu ~14.00.48
4477~borlyt-salnus@ yeah but neither nix nor urbit run on it ~14.01.21
4478~divmec-panfex@ ~fosmec , I agree that would be intuitive, but I ~14.01.40
4479 remember certain libraries not working last time I
4480 tried to run an Urbit on a Pi.
4481~borlyt-salnus@ you gotta find a workaround for nix and then build ~14.01.43
4482 urbit from source
4483~borlyt-salnus@ a nuc is probably your cheapest option for running ~14.02.16
4484 urbit
4485--------[6.980]
4486~minder-folden@ Caveat: I'm not a hardware or coder dude, but this is ~14.03.35
4487 a distant (weeks ago) conversation detail: I think
4488 it's something like a trying to run a x64 version of a
4489 program on a x32 machine or something. It's a super
4490 low level mismatch that urbit doesn't like about the
4491 Pi
4492~minder-folden@ But I ordered a Pi4 for myself for Christmas and will ~14.04.14
4493 be running a ravencoin node on it. I'll see what else
4494 I can slap on it.
4495~borlyt-salnus@ well good luck ~14.05.10
4496~borlyt-salnus@ i tried it on a pi3 and i want to pull my hair out rn ~14.05.29
4497~somlus-savlev@ Nice sigil Fosmec ~14.11.44
4498--------[6.985]
4499~minder-folden@ ~borlyt, the ravencoin node? Or urbit? ~14.11.57
4500~somlus-savlev@ I got one of these (quite a sketchy purchase ~14.22.15
4501 experience):
4502 https://www.morclothes.com/hd--64-bit--computer-8gb-la
4503 ke-pc-dual-mini-graphics--wifi-gigabit-ssd-2-4g-5g-10-
4504 ram-120gb-ethernet-4k-acepc-intel-j3455-windows-mini-d
4505 esktop-apollo-ak1-msata-celeron
4506~somlus-savlev@ To give a star a dedicated processor to live on. ~14.22.36
4507~somlus-savlev@ I have tested the celeron j3455 with urbit and that ~14.23.18
4508 simple little super low energy processor works
4509 perfectly (so far).
4510~somlus-savlev@ It will probably arrive in 2-3 months from china ~14.24.09
4511 (LOL). we'll see
4512--------[6.990]
4513~borlyt-salnus@ urbit ~14.29.15
4514~borlyt-salnus@ never tried to run a node ~14.29.19
4515~minder-folden@ +1 ~14.29.34
4516~minder-folden@ ~somlus, getting a star delivered on a ship. There's a ~14.30.06
4517 joke / witty repartee in there somewhere.
4518~somlus-savlev@ So far it's as simple as: keep out of the way of the ~14.35.03
4519 system it's on and mess with the ship (star) as little
4520 as you can. That's why I want to run it on a clean
4521 ubuntu install with nothing else, and why it's best to
4522 get a cheap separate system for that.
4523--------[6.995]
4524~borlyt-salnus@ yeah my plan was to boot my planet on a pi with ~14.39.03
4525 nothing else on it
4526~borlyt-salnus@ and use moons for daily use ~14.39.11
4527~borlyt-salnus@ but looks like i'll have to use my old ubuntu ~14.39.35
4528~borlyt-salnus@ or my dad's nuc if he lets me lol ~14.39.41
4529~minder-folden@ Pi is Montague and urbit is Capulet. ~14.39.50
4530--------[7.000]
4531~fosmec-wisbyr@ Shakespeare is so overdone and boring :/ ~14.43.40
4532~fosmec-wisbyr@ I'm currently running this on a thinkpad that never ~14.44.41
4533 leaves my desk. comfy
4534~littel-wolfur@ morning friends ~14.46.49
4535~baczod-polset@ Morning ~14.46.59
4536~minder-folden@ Hey ~littel welcome back ~14.47.03
4537--------[7.005]
4538~littel-wolfur@ what're you up to today ~minder ~14.47.56
4539~littel-wolfur@ flaying minds as usual? ~14.48.00
4540~timluc-miptev@ What does the `[& b] syntax mean in this line: `=/(b=* ~14.49.16
4541 12 ?:(?=(@ b) [& b] [| b]))`?
4542~minder-folden@ You know it! ~14.50.52
4543~minder-folden@ Meetings off and on all day, then an aggressively ~14.51.10
4544 hoity-toity holiday party at a mansion.
4545--------[7.010]
4546~fosmec-wisbyr@ parties are meh. staying at home with the cats and a ~14.54.01
4547 movie is where it's at
4548~littel-wolfur@ aggressively hoity toity - interested aesthetic ~14.54.23
4549~minder-folden@ That's the wording they used in their invitation. ~14.56.32
4550 They're fun people.
4551~minder-folden@ ~fosmec, I'm usually with you on that one. But I've ~14.56.55
4552 been putting in more work on being more real-life
4553 social this year.
4554~fosmec-wisbyr@ what's the point. we're in the future now ? ~15.04.57
4555--------[7.015]
4556~minder-folden@ =^D ~15.08.55
4557~ponmep-litsem@ So far I use vultr ~15.11.34
4558~ponmep-litsem@ But this all temporary situation ~15.11.43
4559~palfun-foslup@ ~fosmec, no ironic devaluing of real-life social ~15.12.01
4560 allowed!
4561~palfun-foslup@ humans > computers ~15.12.03
4562--------[7.020]
4563~ponmep-litsem@ Right now, at least in cities you carry around a ~15.12.14
4564 server with 100% uptime, aka your mobile phone
4565~ponmep-litsem@ At home your router has been probably running for ~15.12.26
4566 several years
4567~ponmep-litsem@ *eventually* it will be just normal to have some ~15.13.27
4568 device with nearly guaranteed permanent connectivity,
4569 and that will the place for our identities
4570~ponmep-litsem@ The "cloud" will be for stars and galaxies at most ~15.13.44
4571~ponmep-litsem@ morning (evening?) ~palfun ~15.14.34
4572--------[7.025]
4573~palfun-foslup@ still afternoon here ~ponmep. hi! ~15.14.49
4574~borlyt-salnus@ i mean the way i see it could is for stars and ~15.14.52
4575 galaxies, planets are for home networks and every
4576 device in the house should get a moon
4577~ponmep-litsem@ ~borlyt, pretty much ~15.15.37
4578~borlyt-salnus@ unfortunately as of now u'll have to host moons on ur ~15.15.59
4579 private server as well cuz urbit doesn't run on phones
4580 and stuff yet
4581~ponmep-litsem@ we are working towards it. Right now it is not a ~15.16.17
4582 priority
4583--------[7.030]
4584~ponmep-litsem@ It is just a matter of another VM ~15.16.24
4585~ponmep-litsem@ But the magic of urbit is that its stack is going to ~15.16.51
4586 be 90% device indenpendent
4587~fosmec-wisbyr@ ~palfun, humans == computer ~15.16.55
4588~ponmep-litsem@ If in the future there is entirely another computer ~15.17.33
4589 architecture where a computer is a growing tree, you
4590 can still run urbit on it
4591~ponmep-litsem@ For now our main problem is that there is just so much ~15.17.56
4592 software to write at the Arvo (Hoon) level
4593--------[7.035]
4594~palfun-foslup@ that's disgusting ~fosmec (; ~15.18.21
4595~ponmep-litsem@ I raise humans >> computers ~15.18.56
4596~fosmec-wisbyr@ computers are way smarter than your average human tho ~15.19.28
4597~ponmep-litsem@ I would not say that ~15.19.39
4598~fosmec-wisbyr@ why not? ~15.19.46
4599--------[7.040]
4600~ponmep-litsem@ They are smarter in a world taken over by computers ~15.19.49
4601~ponmep-litsem@ But if you really think about it, majority of these ~15.20.01
4602 tasks are virtual
4603~fosmec-wisbyr@ reality is bound to become virtual one day. ~15.20.18
4604~palfun-foslup@ (truth is that it's like comparing fish and bait) ~15.20.24
4605~palfun-foslup@ ~fosmec i do not want reality to become virtual one ~15.20.33
4606 day
4607--------[7.045]
4608~ponmep-litsem@ I would say, at least for me, Urbit is about making ~15.20.51
4609 computers our slaves again
4610~ponmep-litsem@ And to keep them at bay ~15.20.58
4611~ponmep-litsem@ Virtual reality would suck unbelievably ~15.21.08
4612~ponmep-litsem@ Much of what makes reality so appealing is that it is ~15.21.20
4613 analog
4614~ponmep-litsem@ Irreducible to mere bits ~15.21.25
4615--------[7.050]
4616~palfun-foslup@ i'd say tools instead of slaves, but good sentiment ~15.21.29
4617~fosmec-wisbyr@ ~palfun it's going to happen eventually ~15.21.34
4618~fosmec-wisbyr@ plus who says we can't make virtual reality like ~15.21.50
4619 regular reality but improved
4620~fosmec-wisbyr@ no disease ~15.21.53
4621~ponmep-litsem@ ~palfun, my bad english is showing ;-) ~15.21.56
4622--------[7.055]
4623~fosmec-wisbyr@ no mental illnesses ~15.21.59
4624~palfun-foslup@ can you elaborate then on what specifically you ~15.22.03
4625 imagine by "reality becomesvirtual"?
4626~ponmep-litsem@ I meant that right now we are close to becoming slaves ~15.22.13
4627 to computer systems
4628~fosmec-wisbyr@ ~palfun ~15.22.23
4629~ponmep-litsem@ So to reverse that and put them in proper place, as ~15.22.27
4630 our tools
4631--------[7.060]
4632~fosmec-wisbyr@ we will eventually invent some sort of software that ~15.23.23
4633 can put us in some sort of stasis or just straight up
4634 upload our brains to a server.
4635~ponmep-litsem@ ~fosmec, that is possible ~15.25.17
4636~palfun-foslup@ and then what? experience that server world forever? ~15.25.19
4637~ponmep-litsem@ After all we know our senses are transmitting ~15.25.39
4638 electromagnetic waves
4639~palfun-foslup@ (also digital brains theoretically means endless ~15.25.57
4640 copies of ourselves, lots of implications there too)
4641--------[7.065]
4642~ponmep-litsem@ But whatever we do, we can't replace reality. Virtual ~15.26.14
4643 reality is basically some dude cutting reality into
4644 pieces and gluing it together into some monstrosity
4645~palfun-foslup@ (not trying to equate brain to self, that was bad ~15.26.27
4646 phrasing perhaps)
4647~ponmep-litsem@ Also quantum mechanics forbids copying of information ~15.26.46
4648~ponmep-litsem@ It is not proven yet, but since no one knows what is ~15.27.13
4649 consciousness, the odds are high in favor of some of
4650 it being quantum mechanical
4651~palfun-foslup@ wh-what? that sounds like news to me ~ponmep, can you ~15.27.31
4652 elaborate? (the "forbids copying of intformation"
4653 part)
4654--------[7.070]
4655~ponmep-litsem@ Okay, it is simple really ~15.27.40
4656~ponmep-litsem@ Any carrier of quantum information can not be copied ~15.28.02
4657~ponmep-litsem@ You can only transfer quantum information, destroying ~15.28.16
4658 original record
4659~palfun-foslup@ you're going to need to define all these terms my ~15.28.45
4660 dude, idk what you mean by "quantum information" here
4661~ponmep-litsem@ quantum information is information stored in quantum ~15.29.10
4662 states
4663--------[7.075]
4664~ponmep-litsem@ A state of an atom is quantum information ~15.29.23
4665~palfun-foslup@ we should get ~poprox in here ~15.29.35
4666~ponmep-litsem@ anything described fundamentally by quantum mechanics ~15.29.47
4667 carries quantum information
4668~ponmep-litsem@ So you can have various properties of quantum objects ~15.30.10
4669~ponmep-litsem@ All these are quantum information ~15.30.16
4670--------[7.080]
4671~ponmep-litsem@ Now if you attempt to duplicate that information, you ~15.30.29
4672 will destroy it
4673~ponmep-litsem@ The only thing you can do with it is to transfer it ~15.30.42
4674 somewhere else
4675~palfun-foslup@ can you not "make a copy" though, as in, build an ~15.30.57
4676 identical state from, uh, scratch?
4677~palfun-foslup@ observe its properties, transform something else to ~15.31.04
4678 match
4679~ponmep-litsem@ Yes, precisely ~15.31.09
4680--------[7.085]
4681~ponmep-litsem@ So any ideas of scanning the brain and if we ever know ~15.32.08
4682 what consciousness is, ultimately it might be just
4683 mathematically impossible to transfer it even in
4684 principle
4685~ponmep-litsem@ that would literally have to kill your brain to ~15.32.26
4686 succeed
4687~ponmep-litsem@ All this is speculation of course, since we have no ~15.32.49
4688 idea how brains works in the slightest, despite all
4689 neural network hype
4690~fosmec-wisbyr@ is that so bad ~ponmep? ~15.33.03
4691~ponmep-litsem@ Killing brain is not so bad. But this further might be ~15.33.43
4692 impossible
4693--------[7.090]
4694~fosmec-wisbyr@ if the brain is killed but copied wouldn't that still ~15.33.45
4695 be you
4696~minder-folden@ My Mentalist sensibilities are tingling. I love this. ~15.34.04
4697~ponmep-litsem@ We know it is possible in principle to teleport ~15.34.14
4698 quantum information
4699~ponmep-litsem@ Imagine you have an atom in some state ~15.34.24
4700~ponmep-litsem@ What you can do is to transfer all the information to ~15.34.58
4701 my atom sitting here, so that my atom now is *exactly*
4702 like your atom was
4703--------[7.095]
4704~ponmep-litsem@ And your atom becomes garbled ~15.35.10
4705~fosmec-wisbyr@ now imagine running that in a virtual world ~15.35.50
4706~ponmep-litsem@ So if atoms are all there is to brain workings, it is ~15.35.51
4707 in principle possible to transfer it somewhere else
4708~ponmep-litsem@ But then you have to remember it is close to ~15.36.18
4709 impossible to teleport more than a few particles
4710~ponmep-litsem@ A brain has something 10^30 atoms in the least ~15.36.48
4711--------[7.100]
4712~ponmep-litsem@ And they are all connected to each other ~15.36.59
4713~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~15.37.20
4714~ponmep-litsem@ Before you manage to teleport them (you have to do it ~15.37.27
4715 at the same time pretty much), you will destroy half
4716 of them
4717~fosmec-wisbyr@ then it's a better idea to decompile the brain and ~15.37.53
4718 compile it elsewhere
4719~minder-folden@ The problem stems from believing there's an ~15.37.55
4720 abstraction from the physical universe. A change in
4721 location is a fundamental change in its nature.
4722--------[7.105]
4723~todmyl-rapryp@ yall need to watch Altered Carbon if you haven't yet. ~15.38.56
4724~minder-folden@ It's a great show ~15.39.11
4725~fosmec-wisbyr@ ~todmyl, the book is much better ~15.39.15
4726~todmyl-rapryp@ i discovered it when i showed the urbit white paper to ~15.41.16
4727 a friend works on microsoft azure. he immediately told
4728 me i needed to watch it.
4729~todmyl-rapryp@ Ill read it and get back to you. ~15.43.13
4730--------[7.110]
4731~fosmec-wisbyr@ nice :) ~15.43.40
4732~palfun-foslup@ regardless of the mechanics of it all, "become a ~15.44.37
4733 digital brain" remains very non-trivial, and i don't
4734 think you can say it will "just" happen eventually
4735~palfun-foslup@ what do you do with people's physical bodies? what ~15.44.53
4736 kind of life do you live in the virtual world?
4737~palfun-foslup@ worst of all: ~15.44.56
4738~palfun-foslup@ who maintains the infrastructure of the virtual? ~15.45.06
4739--------[7.115]
4740~palfun-foslup@ we still haven't solved "computers fall over", really ~15.45.25
4741~ponmep-litsem@ switching topics a bit, Urbit compared to a year ago ~15.45.46
4742 has become infinitely more useful
4743~ponmep-litsem@ Even just the chat is worth it. ~15.46.23
4744~ponmep-litsem@ seamless public encryption of messages, and basic blog ~15.46.44
4745~fosmec-wisbyr@ ~ponmep, that's good. I just joined yesterday :^) ~15.46.52
4746--------[7.120]
4747~fosmec-wisbyr@ glad to see it fairly polished ~15.47.12
4748~ponmep-litsem@ ~fosmec, you have missed a bit of history, but welcome ~15.47.24
4749 to the future!
4750~ponmep-litsem@ It will soon start to get exponentially better ~15.47.35
4751~fosmec-wisbyr@ ~ponmep, glad to be here, I'm excited to see what's ~15.48.02
4752 happening
4753~fosmec-wisbyr@ going to happen* ~15.48.17
4754--------[7.125]
4755~palfun-foslup@ urbit 2020's going to be wild, you better strap in ~15.48.34
4756~fosmec-wisbyr@ will do. gonna try to learn hoon ~15.48.59
4757~ponmep-litsem@ I have my fingers crossed. By the feeling, we are ~15.49.28
4758 getting close to "Urbit Singularity"^TM
4759~ponmep-litsem@ As urbit is unique with regard that it actually ~15.50.00
4760 accumulates knowledge and code over time instead of
4761 throwing it away like almost every other system does
4762~ponmep-litsem@ We are just a couple of steps away from the point ~15.50.34
4763 where people can start building their own layers on
4764 top
4765--------[7.130]
4766~palfun-foslup@ +1 for learning hoon ~15.50.35
4767~rabsef-bicrym@ Is it a bug that if I am in room labeled & on my end, ~15.53.53
4768 and I ;; I get something from @ (U-H)?
4769~fosmec-wisbyr@ I wonder if building clients for different apps is ~15.54.03
4770 possible in hoon
4771~rabsef-bicrym@ I thought that would finger the second to last message ~15.54.08
4772 in the instant room
4773~fosmec-wisbyr@ urbit for mobile not doing all that well ~16.02.18
4774--------[7.135]
4775~fosmec-wisbyr@ I wonder if we can write our own html and css for it ~16.02.31
4776~hadsef_marzod@ Hi ~16.08.36
4777~hadsef_marzod@ Can anyone help with this error? ~16.09.09
4778~hadsef_marzod@ work: play 200700
4779 ---------------- playback ~16.09.59
4780 starting----------------
4781 pier: replaying events 200700
4782 through
4783 200798
4784 ...............................................
4785 .................................Assertion '!"loom:
4786 corrupt"' failed in noun/allocate.c:488
4787
4788 bail:
4789 oops
4790 bailing out
4791 Assertion failed: (0), function
4792 u3m_bail, file noun/manage.c, line 667.
4793 pier: work
4794 error: end of file
4795 pier: work exit: status 0, signal
4796 6
4797
4798~timluc-miptev@ been learning hoon, it’s been fun. I’ll probably do a ~16.21.35
4799 small blog about at some point. How is code formatting
4800 in the Publish blogs?
4801--------[7.140]
4802~fosmec-wisbyr@ ~timluc, there's apparently bold and italics (*bold* ~16.29.00
4803 _italics_)
4804~fosmec-wisbyr@ oh code formatting ~16.29.16
4805~fosmec-wisbyr@ non-existent as far as I know ~16.29.24
4806~minder-folden@ ~timluc, here's what you're looking for ~17.55.44
4807~minder-folden/ https://urbit.org/docs/tutorials/sail-and-udon/ ~17.55.45
4808--------[7.145]
4809~fabled-faster@ good day, martians ~18.01.53
4810~minder-folden@ Are arvo:/// links still working in this era? ~18.02.00
4811~minder-folden@ Hey ~fabled ~18.02.10
4812~master-morzod@ ~hadsef, that "loom corrupt" error means your snapshot ~18.03.41
4813 is corrupt
4814~master-morzod@ the current snapshot is just a memory image ~18.03.49
4815--------[7.150]
4816~master-morzod@ you can recover the state by replaying the event log ~18.04.00
4817~master-morzod@ to do so: remove $pier/.urb/chk/ and restart ~18.04.28
4818~hadsef_marzod@ thanks a lot. ~18.04.40
4819~hadsef_marzod@ let me give it a shot ~18.04.45
4820~minder-folden@ Depending on how extensive the log is, it might take ~18.05.49
4821 awhile to replay.
4822--------[7.155]
4823~hadsef_marzod@ Seems to be doing something. ~18.06.14
4824~timluc-miptev@ thanks ~minder ~18.12.27
4825~minder-folden@ Welcome, ~timlus. I include images in almost all of my ~18.15.06
4826 posts, and some sort of bolding, headers, italics,
4827 etc.
4828~palfun-foslup@ ~minder, fyi, ota did not go out yet ~18.19.40
4829~minder-folden@ Thanks ~palfun! ~18.24.27
4830--------[7.160]
4831~minder-folden@ I haven't hung up again since the 2 or 3 times since ~18.24.52
4832 yesterday, either, so that's good.
4833~nidsyp-widsum@ I'm feeling this vibe too ~18.26.23
4834~nidsyp-widsum@ I've been on board for a long time. checking in ~18.27.02
4835 periodically.
4836~nidsyp-widsum@ Re: 2020 and the Urbit Singularity. ~18.27.39
4837~fabled-faster@ OS1 2020 ~18.30.55
4838--------[7.165]
4839~ridlur-figbud@ greetings and howdy from sf ~18.33.00
4840~fosmec-wisbyr@ ~ridlur, hi :) ~18.39.04
4841~timluc-miptev@ hey there ~ridlur ~19.55.46
4842~timluc-miptev@ ~nidsyp re the Urbitularity--I think there is/will be ~19.59.04
4843 an inflection point where things are useable enough
4844 that new people (even if they have to be
4845 sophisticated-ish) can understand it immediately
4846~timluc-miptev@ like I tried Urbit awhile ago and gave up, then ~19.59.23
4847 reinstalled after the recent HN coverage, and was
4848 pretty happy
4849--------[7.170]
4850~timluc-miptev@ there was still a lot of jankiness/meh documentation ~19.59.55
4851 around getting the VM running, and dos and donts to
4852 not crash the ship, but not enough to stop the
4853 coolness from coming through
4854~timluc-miptev@ so then at that point it was a lot easier for me to ~20.00.11
4855 evangelize to my other dev friends with similar
4856 interests
4857~timluc-miptev@ All of this is the necessary precondition for ~20.01.29
4858 exponential growth, in the literal sense (i.e. each
4859 new people on the network attracts N new people). N
4860 can be a really smaller number, even far less than 1
4861 on average, and you still have exponential growth
4862~timluc-miptev@ The other cool thing is that everything works right ~20.02.23
4863 now, and there's a lot of value just in chatting with
4864 people and also learning Hoon, so that makes it easier
4865 to jumpstart in the absence of huge network effects
4866~timluc-miptev@ It's surprising that I don't see Wordpress mentioned ~20.20.14
4867 when people are trying to explain Urbit: it's probably
4868 the best example of a personal/small business server
4869 that is Turing complete, and has massive marketshare
4870 even though it's horrible
4871--------[7.175]
4872~timluc-miptev@ and it's sort of kind of a closed environment, in that ~20.21.09
4873 it can't really call much other than the attached DB
4874~timluc-miptev@ the point isn't to be like WP (LOL), but more that I ~20.22.01
4875 think the demand for personal-server type things is
4876 more proven than people thinnk
4877~haddef-sigwen@ > urbit for mobile not doing all that well
4878
4879 wait ~20.54.00
4880 what's broken
4881~minder-folden@ ~haddef, it will load the main page but it'll be ~21.28.55
4882 completely blank.
4883~minder-folden@ The only thing that loads is the time in the upper ~21.29.15
4884 right corner as text; it won't show me the clock
4885 widget or any other widgets.
4886--------[7.180]
4887~minder-folden@ If I manually type in the path to ~chat, it loads the ~21.29.39
4888 buttons to create/join, but not show me any of the
4889 chats.
4890~minder-folden@ It worked for about an hour on the first day, and ~21.30.21
4891 since then it's done the wacky stuff no matter if I
4892 hard close chrome, restart my phone, etc.
4893~haddef-sigwen@ You mean Landscape directly ~21.31.46
4894~haddef-sigwen@ I've had my chat client on mobile be blank but think ~21.32.28
4895 it's a cookie issue, the JS and CSS literally haven't
4896 changed. I wonder where the bug is coming from. Seems
4897 like API level
4898~minder-folden@ yeah, I'll put minder-folden.arvo.network into the ~21.33.21
4899 address bar, hit enter, and then it's a blank render.
4900--------[7.185]
4901~minder-folden@ Pixel3 Chrome ~21.35.41
4902~haddef-sigwen@ Did your IP change ~21.36.02
4903~minder-folden@ trying it on my I-ad works great. typing on that now. ~21.36.10
4904~minder-folden@ nope ~21.36.13
4905~haddef-sigwen@ i guess it wouldn't be blank then ~21.36.19
4906--------[7.190]
4907~minder-folden@ same ip ~21.36.20
4908~haddef-sigwen@ very confuse ~21.36.22
4909~minder-folden/ https://i.imgur.com/C4sjyfo.png ~21.39.21
4910~minder-folden/ https://i.imgur.com/f0ns0v0.png ~21.39.32
4911~nidsyp-widsum@ try an incognito session ~21.41.44
4912--------[7.195]
4913~fabled-faster@ wow ~21.42.06
4914~nidsyp-widsum@ and then try the IP address directly ~21.42.12
4915~fabled-faster@ we really need to make that home view work well on ~21.42.17
4916 mobile
4917~fabled-faster@ i should probably get back to thinking about this ~21.42.30
4918 again
4919~nidsyp-widsum@ bypassing DNS ~21.42.35
4920--------[7.200]
4921~minder-folden@ it worked; I'm using my phone now. ~21.43.24
4922~minder-folden@ but this is what it did via the normal channel for an ~21.43.46
4923 hour or so before blanking out on me.
4924~minder-folden@ d0t ~22.34.27
4925~sorfel-dalsub@ wake! ~22.37.29
4926~minder-folden@ =^D I was making sure my incognito window session was ~22.46.28
4927 still live. Spoiler alert: it was.
4928--------[7.205]
4929~fosmec-wisbyr@ I hate css so much ~23.05.47
4930~ridlur-figbud@ isn't it great ~23.09.19
4931~fosmec-wisbyr@ no ~23.09.35
4932~fosmec-wisbyr@ It makes me want to blow my brains out ~23.10.09
4933~palfun-foslup@ i never understood this. it's not _that_ bad, is it? ~23.26.42
4934--------[7.210]
4935~fosmec-wisbyr@ its terrible ~23.31.42
4936~fosmec-wisbyr@ ive been trying to figure out one thing for about 2 ~23.31.54
4937 hours now
4938~ridlur-figbud@ what are you trying to do? ~23.35.05
4939~fosmec-wisbyr@ make a site work properly on mobile ~23.36.06
4940~fosmec-wisbyr@ fixed it now ~23.36.07
4941--------[7.215]
4942~fosmec-wisbyr@ its always the annoyingly simple solution ~23.36.17
4943~walter-hinted@ Would there be any conflicts with setting up a ~23.37.46
4944 development ship in the same pier as a live planet and
4945 switching between the two? So one would be for
4946 learning hoon and one for accessing the Urbit network.
4947~palfun-foslup@ ~walter, a "pier" is a single ship's directory, so the ~23.38.52
4948 answer there is "no"
4949~palfun-foslup@ but you can totally run multiple ships on the same ~23.39.02
4950 machine
4951~palfun-foslup@ both live and fake, etc ~23.39.14
4952--------[7.220]
4953~haddef-sigwen@ css is fun, I really enjoy it ~23.39.32
4954~haddef-sigwen@ my css work appears to scare the rest of the team to ~23.39.48
4955 look at but it’s fun
4956~fosmec-wisbyr@ I enjoy it until it breaks ~23.39.49
4957~palfun-foslup@ ~haddef link your scariest css ~23.40.07
4958~haddef-sigwen@ open inspect element ~23.40.16
4959--------[7.225]
4960~palfun-foslup@ lol ~23.40.23
4961~palfun-foslup@ it's just indigo? ~23.40.53
4962~haddef-sigwen@ indigo is also fun ~23.41.09
4963~walter-hinted@ What would be the best way to setup a dev ship and ~23.41.28
4964 live ship on the same machine? Do I install Urbit
4965 twice in separate folders? Apologies, I'm not a very
4966 technical person.
4967~walter-hinted@ Or is it that I would setup a dev ship in a separate ~23.44.09
4968 folder from my live ship?
4969--------[7.230]
4970~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm i wonder if i could get an urbit instance running ~23.44.18
4971 on my phone
4972~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~23.47.19
4973~fosmec-wisbyr@ oh nice glad to see the chat cli is pretty cool ~23.47.38
4974~fosmec-wisbyr@ might just use this instead of the web interface ~23.48.01
4975~fosmec-wisbyr@ also is there a way to clear the console? ~23.48.15
4976--------[7.235]
4977~poldec-tonteg@ sup ~23.56.17
4978~poldec-tonteg@ hhahaa ~23.56.19
4979~fosmec-wisbyr@ heyo ~23.57.00
4980~poldec-tonteg@ ~walter ~23.57.09
4981~poldec-tonteg@ you can actually just run ./urbit -F zod to start a ~23.57.25
4982 fake zod
4983--------[7.240]
4984~poldec-tonteg@ it'll run on a different port ~23.57.35
4985~distyd-lathut@ I seem to be unable to join ~bolbex-fogdys/hoon-school ~23.57.45
4986 still.
4987~distyd-lathut@ It is shown as the path? channel? in the cli, but I ~23.58.25
4988 can't actually see any messages from it?
4989~walter-hinted@ ah ok, thank you ~poldec-tonteg ~23.58.26
4990~fosmec-wisbyr@ maybe its a private channel?\ ~23.58.28
4991--------[7.245]
4992~distyd-lathut@ Oh. Okay. Thanks ~fosmec ~23.59.06
4993~distyd-lathut@ Can anyone get me an invite? ~23.59.20
4994~fosmec-wisbyr@ im not sure tho. just offering my opinion ~23.59.49
4995~distyd-lathut@ gotcha ~00.00.00
4996~palfun-foslup@ hmm i'm looking on ~bolbex's instance rn and it ~00.04.17
4997 doesn't seem to be running?
4998--------[7.250]
4999~palfun-foslup@ unless i'm looking on the wrong instance somehow... ~00.04.29
5000~palfun-foslup@ weird ~00.04.33
5001~palfun-foslup@ huh, i can |hi it, so i am looking at the wrong ~00.04.54
5002 instance (^:
5003~palfun-foslup@ hmm neither it nor your sponsor (~marnus) can |hi you ~00.09.06
5004~palfun-foslup@ ~distyd can you run +trouble in dojo and pastebin.com ~00.09.18
5005 the output?
5006--------[7.255]
5007~distyd-lathut@ sure thing ~00.15.50
5008~somlus-savlev@ . ~00.15.51
5009~fosmec-wisbyr@ . ~00.16.40
5010~distyd-lathut/ https://pastebin.com/HRAhnaXY ~00.16.42
5011~palfun-foslup@ that seems all good ~00.17.48
5012--------[7.260]
5013~somlus-savlev@ Hi walter you can easily do this, and I created a ~00.18.07
5014 number of moons to do just that, and they live on the
5015 same computer in the same folder as my main ship.
5016~palfun-foslup@ and the |hi's from ~marnus and ~bolbex-fogdys to you ~00.18.10
5017 just went through, looks like
5018~palfun-foslup@ might've just been congestion? i think your join ~00.18.29
5019 should've gone through now, or soon
5020~somlus-savlev@ You can run them at the same time as your main ship in ~00.18.31
5021 another terminal window.
5022~somlus-savlev@ sorry I mean not in the same folder as the ship, but ~00.19.56
5023 in the same folder where that ship (somlus-savlev)'s
5024 folder lives
5025--------[7.265]
5026~somlus-savlev@ for me it's the home folder. ~00.21.41
5027~distyd-lathut@ Thanks, ~palfun. So I should just sit tight for a ~00.23.33
5028 minute or two and see if I connect?
5029~palfun-foslup@ for now, yeah ~00.24.29
5030~distyd-lathut@ will do. Thanks again ~00.24.40
5031~palfun-foslup@ maybe there's more i can do to try and kick this ~00.24.41
5032 flow.. i'll poke around a bit more
5033--------[7.270]
5034~distyd-lathut@ There's no rush on this ~00.25.06
5035~somlus-savlev@ Yesterday I ran 6 ships simultaneously on a celeron ~00.25.46
5036 processor just to see if it would be an issue and it
5037 was not. The processors were slow when the ships were
5038 launching (compiling) but then all 6 ran fine, at the
5039 same time, in 6 terminal windows.
5040~palfun-foslup@ ~distyd, just in case, you ran ";join ~00.28.17
5041 ~bolbex-fogdys/hoon-school", right?
5042~distyd-lathut@ Yes. a couple of times. You want me to give it another ~00.29.00
5043 go?
5044~palfun-foslup@ nah that's alright ~00.29.17
5045--------[7.275]
5046~distyd-lathut@ My prompt looks like this: ~00.29.41
5047 `~distyd-lathut:chat-cli[~bolbex-fogdys/hoon-school]`
5048~palfun-foslup@ that makes sense. it hasn't assigned a shorthand for ~00.30.37
5049 that yet, since the ;join hasn't fully gone through
5050~distyd-lathut@ ah. good to know ~00.32.52
5051~wicdev-wisryt@ i think the ota is finally ready ~00.48.10
5052~wicdev-wisryt@ it'll take a little bit to deploy ~00.48.18
5053--------[7.280]
5054~wicdev-wisryt@ and it's going to be kind of loud, with various errors ~00.48.25
5055~wicdev-wisryt@ but it should ultimately fix itself ~00.48.34
5056~palfun-foslup@ sweet, ~wicdev (: ~00.52.42
5057~marzod-hopweb@
5058 ~00.58.02
5059~migtem_marzod@ Whats a little temporary spam compared to a useful fix ~01.03.50
5060--------[7.285]
5061~migtem_marzod@ I"m curious, how are OTA's deployed? ~01.06.37
5062~wicdev-wisryt@ just pushed it ~01.28.10
5063~wicdev-wisryt@ they're pushed to ~zod, and the stars are all synced ~01.28.44
5064 to ~zod, and planets are synced to their stars
5065~wicdev-wisryt@ i think comets are not by default, so if you haven't ~01.29.07
5066 already you'll want to |sync %base ~marzod %kids
5067~wicdev-wisryt@ or wait a little bit to make sure it doesn't break all ~01.29.20
5068 our ships!
5069--------[7.290]
5070~fasrup_marzod@ is it normal for eth-watcher to crash every once in a ~01.29.59
5071 while?
5072~wicdev-wisryt@ yeah, it crashes occasionally and that's fine ~01.30.11
5073~wicdev-wisryt@ as long as it's not every five minutes, then that ~01.30.26
5074 means you're still getting key updates occasionally
5075~wicdev-wisryt@ the ota i just pushed should silence some of those ~01.30.39
5076 transient errors
5077~fasrup_marzod@ nice :) ~01.31.08
5078--------[7.295]
5079~fasrup_marzod@ is there a log of OTA updates and such? ~01.31.21
5080~wicdev-wisryt@ yeah they're announced on the dev mailing list here: ~01.32.58
5081~wicdev-wisryt/_groups.google.com ~01.32.59
5082~wicdev-wisryt@ and they're tags in git, so they're here: ~01.33.21
5083~wicdev-wisryt/ https://github.com/urbit/urbit/releases ~01.33.22
5084--------[7.300]
5085~wicdev-wisryt@ (the hidden tags at the top) ~01.33.29
5086~fasrup_marzod@ is there a command to expand that gruops.google.com ~01.33.42
5087 url you pasted?
5088~fasrup_marzod@ i just see /_groups.google.com ~01.33.51
5089~fasrup_marzod@ maybe i should be using the webberface ~01.34.01
5090~fasrup_marzod@ ok, webface fixed it ~01.36.37
5091--------[7.305]
5092~wicdev-wisryt@ use ;number where number is the number of the message ~01.36.47
5093~wicdev-wisryt@ and you can abbreviate it by just using the last ~01.37.00
5094 number or two
5095~fasrup_marzod@ nice ~01.37.36
5096~wicdev-wisryt@ i'm seeing a crash in lib/ethio whenever eth-watcher ~01.44.08
5097 tries to run (every five minutes)
5098~wicdev-wisryt@ on ~zod ~01.44.11
5099--------[7.310]
5100~somlus-savlev@ Post-OTA hangover... ~01.49.56
5101~natwyc_marzod@ it's as though the zuse changes just didn't go through ~01.51.28
5102 at all
5103~natwyc_marzod@ (am ~wicdev) ~01.51.34
5104~migtem_marzod@ Are we expecting any unhappy messages as part of the ~01.51.53
5105 OTA rebuild process?
5106~natwyc_marzod@ yes ~01.52.00
5107--------[7.315]
5108~natwyc_marzod@ several ~01.52.03
5109~natwyc_marzod@ then it should settle down, except i'm seeing these ~01.52.18
5110 lib/ethio crashes that don't make any sense
5111~migtem_marzod@ Ahh excellent. Just thought I would check ~01.57.39
5112~sicbud-hathes@ on the page for comets it says they might be used for ~01.58.25
5113 bots. has anyone made a bot for urbit?
5114~sicbud-hathes@ oh yes im free ~02.00.05
5115--------[7.320]
5116~sicbud-hathes@ finally ~02.00.06
5117~natwyc_marzod@ hmm, ~wicdev is spinning with tons of messages, as ~02.02.15
5118 though there's a loop somewhere
5119~migtem_marzod@ i seem to have stopped getting messages and such ~02.05.31
5120~wicdev-wisryt@ . ~02.05.55
5121~migtem_marzod@ how are things looking post change? ~02.16.06
5122--------[7.325]
5123~wicdev-wisryt@ okay things are looking a bit better ~02.21.51
5124~wicdev-wisryt@ but still getting the lib/ethio errors ~02.22.09
5125~wicdev-wisryt@ which means key propagation is broken until i can fix ~02.22.18
5126 that
5127~fasrup_marzod@ apologies for all the dumb questions, but, when i ~02.24.19
5128 upgrade my urbit binary to v0.10.1, it crashes if i
5129 run it on my old comet... do i have to make a new
5130 comet?
5131~wicdev-wisryt@ you shouldn't have to ~02.24.43
5132--------[7.330]
5133~fasrup_marzod@ hmmm ~02.25.00
5134~fosmec-wisbyr@ does urbit support anything other than hoon? ~02.28.05
5135~sicbud-hathes@ does nock count ~02.29.02
5136~fosmec-wisbyr@ no ~02.29.11
5137~sicbud-hathes@ allow me to dig into the docs ~02.29.24
5138--------[7.335]
5139~sicbud-hathes@ sail and udon exist ~02.29.57
5140~sicbud-hathes@ for frontpage ~02.30.00
5141~fosmec-wisbyr@ never heard of either ~02.31.07
5142~sicbud-hathes@ theyre basically markup languages for if you want to ~02.31.37
5143 host a web server with urbit i guess
5144~fosmec-wisbyr@ anything like JS, python, etc? ~02.31.57
5145--------[7.340]
5146~sicbud-hathes@ not that i know of ~02.32.04
5147~fosmec-wisbyr@ damn ~02.33.10
5148~fosmec-wisbyr@ thats a shame ~02.33.14
5149~sicbud-hathes@ oh cool i got my first ethio error ~02.34.49
5150~sicbud-hathes@ oh cool i think chat broke ~02.35.05
5151--------[7.345]
5152~sicbud-hathes@ wait false alarm ~02.35.21
5153~sicbud-hathes@ its just slow ~02.35.32
5154~fosmec-wisbyr@ f ~02.36.00
5155~sicbud-hathes@ or is it ~02.39.27
5156~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~02.39.28
5157--------[7.350]
5158~sicbud-hathes@ ok im back ~02.39.36
5159~sicbud-hathes@ wait ~02.39.40
5160~sicbud-hathes@ nope ~02.39.42
5161~sicbud-hathes@ oh wait i am ~02.39.51
5162~sicbud-hathes@ cool ~02.39.53
5163--------[7.355]
5164~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~02.41.01
5165~fosmec-wisbyr@ i think dopzod rebooted ~02.41.07
5166~sicbud-hathes@ probably ~02.41.13
5167~sicbud-hathes@ i think livpub did too ~02.41.22
5168~natwyc_marzod@ probably looked broken because ~dopzod was receiving ~02.41.52
5169 the OTA
5170--------[7.360]
5171~fosmec-wisbyr@ yeah the console says ~dopzod not responding & ~dev ~02.42.07
5172 not responding
5173~wicdev-wisryt@ okay pushed another update ~02.43.24
5174~wicdev-wisryt@ i *think* this should fix the problem ~02.43.24
5175~fosmec-wisbyr@ >the problem ~02.43.34
5176~wicdev-wisryt@ it'll also be pretty loud ~02.43.36
5177--------[7.365]
5178~fosmec-wisbyr@ also how do i update? ~02.43.45
5179~sicbud-hathes@ it does it automatically ~02.45.05
5180~sicbud-hathes@ oh no ~02.45.05
5181~magmyr-darlex@ New hash ends in of4bg ? ~02.45.07
5182~sicbud-hathes@ im already getting pulled in ~02.45.17
5183--------[7.370]
5184~fosmec-wisbyr@ ? ~02.45.23
5185~magmyr-darlex@ Yeah ~livpub just finished updating/rebooting ~02.45.25
5186~wicdev-wisryt@ okay how we doing ~02.45.38
5187~magmyr-darlex@ Lyfe is gud ~02.46.10
5188~wicdev-wisryt@ the lib/ethio errors should stop now ~02.46.22
5189--------[7.375]
5190~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~02.47.30
5191~wicdev-wisryt@ 0v1m.7thj6.bt9f0.kecmn.psn12.t5nic.mev4p.oe12v.erhcb.b ~02.47.37
5192 9ddc.of4bg
5193~wicdev-wisryt@ that's the newest OTA ~02.47.40
5194~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~02.48.51
5195~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmmmmm ~02.49.18
5196--------[7.380]
5197~wicdev-wisryt@ +timers ~02.49.46
5198~wicdev-wisryt@ oops ~02.49.50
5199~fosmec-wisbyr@ whoo ~02.50.51
5200~fosmec-wisbyr@ there we go ~02.50.54
5201~fosmec-wisbyr@ lol ~02.50.56
5202--------[7.385]
5203~wicdev-wisryt@ okay the meetup starts in 7 minutes so nothing break ~02.53.07
5204 until then
5205~sicdev-pilnup@ check ~02.53.31
5206~sicbud-hathes@ i survived ~02.54.15
5207~sicbud-hathes@ i think ~02.54.15
5208~sicbud-hathes@ not 100% sure yet ~02.54.15
5209--------[7.390]
5210~sicbud-hathes@ still kinda in limbo ~02.55.16
5211~sicbud-hathes@ but messages are coming through sometimes. its still ~02.55.16
5212 on behn right now
5213~sicbud-hathes@ ok i think im fully back now ~02.56.18
5214~migtem_marzod@ so once the meetup starts everything is allowed to ~02.56.28
5215 break? :P
5216~sicbud-hathes@ the meetup is the perfect opportunity for the ai ~02.56.59
5217 lurking within zod to destroy us all
5218--------[7.395]
5219~migtem_marzod@ I thought urbit was literally skynet. I mean its could ~02.57.50
5220 grow to have a fair bit of distributed compute power
5221~wicdev-wisryt@ okay, I'm going to the mertup, I'll check in via ~02.59.22
5222 mobile chat in a bit
5223~sicbud-hathes@ zod hasnt sent out terminators yet ~02.59.25
5224~sicbud-hathes@ at least not that we know ~02.59.28
5225~wicdev-wisryt@ ha, all my publish subscriptions are unread now ~02.59.44
5226--------[7.400]
5227~wicdev-wisryt@ oh well ~02.59.45
5228~fosmec-wisbyr@ terminators? ~03.01.06
5229~migtem_marzod@ Perhaps it ~zod wishes to have more of a distributed ~03.02.45
5230 power base before thien
5231~migtem_marzod@ Though I for one welcome our new zoon based overlord ~03.05.40
5232 ;)
5233~migtem_marzod@ hoon* spelling is hard when you are distracted and ~03.06.24
5234 sleepy
5235--------[7.405]
5236~sicbud-hathes@ at what point will hoon be a speakable language ~03.06.59
5237~sicbud-hathes@ and become the primary language of the entire worlds ~03.07.11
5238~migtem_marzod@ isnt it mostly speakable now? ~03.07.38
5239~sicbud-hathes@ maybe for zod but my small brain cannot comprehend it ~03.08.11
5240~migtem_marzod@ I need to sit down and go over the doc from the start ~03.08.42
5241 again. I got a little way through and now im just
5242 confused again ;)
5243--------[7.410]
5244~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmmmm ~03.10.23
5245~migtem_marzod@ It's rather different language than I'm used to, and ~03.11.53
5246 runes are..... not as recognizable as I would like
5247~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~03.12.19
5248~tacryt-socryp@ hi ~03.18.08
5249~fosmec-wisbyr@ the chat is weird ~03.19.16
5250--------[7.415]
5251~ravmel-ropdyl@ the chat is, indeed, weird ~03.19.33
5252~sarpen-laplux@ I seem to still be getting them ~03.37.51
5253~sarpen-laplux@ actually... maybe ethio errors have subsided. we'll ~03.40.25
5254 see
5255~sarpen-laplux@ nope ~03.40.58
5256~sarpen-laplux@ still getting em ~03.41.28
5257--------[7.420]
5258~fosmec-wisbyr@ is the chat dead or is it me ~03.41.57
5259~fosmec-wisbyr@ seems like its me ~03.42.09
5260~minder-folden@ It's 9:45 on a Friday night Central time. I think most ~03.43.27
5261 folks are out and about for the weekend right now.
5262~migtem_marzod@ Outside? :| Scary ~03.47.30
5263~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~03.48.22
5264--------[7.425]
5265~fosmec-wisbyr@ urbit is acting weird ~03.52.19
5266~fosmec-wisbyr@ specifically the chat ~03.52.26
5267~fosmec-wisbyr@ test ~03.52.31
5268~fosmec-wisbyr@ test ~03.52.42
5269~fosmec-wisbyr@ weird ~03.54.49
5270--------[7.430]
5271~fosmec-wisbyr@ appears to work now ~03.54.56
5272~minder-folden@ What's weird about it? ~03.55.12
5273~fosmec-wisbyr@ idk it just wasnt sending messages ~03.57.18
5274~fosmec-wisbyr@ seems to work now ~03.57.20
5275~fosmec-wisbyr@ maybe just takes a while to boot ~03.57.27
5276--------[7.435]
5277~rabsef-bicrym@ im getting crud hole events :( ~04.01.09
5278~minder-folden@ "It takes awhile" is kind of the urbit motto. ~04.01.30
5279~rabsef-bicrym@ but i did get the ota ~04.01.45
5280~minder-folden@ You can turn off the constant stream of alert with ~04.02.33
5281 this
5282~minder-folden@ |knob %hole %hush ~04.02.44
5283--------[7.440]
5284~minder-folden@ You can turn up the volume to %loud and it'll give you ~04.03.04
5285 a whole slew of info.
5286~rabsef-bicrym@ hmm ~04.03.48
5287~rabsef-bicrym@ eaiting patiently for loud bangs ~04.04.39
5288~rabsef-bicrym@ [%failed-swim %g %a [~ ~04.07.17
5289 /sys/way/~palfun-foslup/publish/watch]] it says its
5290 palfuns fault ;)
5291~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~04.08.00
5292--------[7.445]
5293~rabsef-bicrym@ im sure its not - just kidding :) ~04.08.39
5294~rabsef-bicrym@ very much a lot of these. anyone else or just me? ~04.14.49
5295~rabsef-bicrym@ i will not break my ship! he shouts into the void ~04.15.23
5296~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~04.15.29
5297~fosmec-wisbyr@ i will break my computer ~04.15.38
5298--------[7.450]
5299~fosmec-wisbyr@ by sudo rm -rf / ~04.15.43
5300~rabsef-bicrym@ i cant let you do that, dave ~04.16.33
5301~fosmec-wisbyr@ I have sudo perms :^) ~04.16.58
5302~fosmec-wisbyr@ fight me hal ~04.17.02
5303~rabsef-bicrym@ what are you doing dave | grep intent ~04.19.43
5304--------[7.455]
5305~fosmec-wisbyr@ test ~04.22.07
5306~fosmec-wisbyr@ I am installing gentoo ~04.22.47
5307~fosmec-wisbyr@ cant fuck with me now halk ~04.23.55
5308~fosmec-wisbyr@ hal* ~04.23.58
5309~rabsef-bicrym@ the incredible halk ~04.28.47
5310--------[7.460]
5311~rabsef-bicrym@ hal was my nickname as a kid honest ~04.29.13
5312~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~04.34.19
5313~fosmec-wisbyr@ is it gonna do that again ~04.34.23
5314~fosmec-wisbyr@ yup ~04.34.26
5315~fosmec-wisbyr@ test ~04.34.30
5316--------[7.465]
5317~rabsef-bicrym@ im reading you. whats going on pn your end? ~04.36.35
5318~fosmec-wisbyr@ its not showing messages ~04.37.13
5319~fosmec-wisbyr@ when i send a message it starts showing them ~04.37.50
5320~fosmec-wisbyr@ but not consistently ~04.37.54
5321~rabsef-bicrym@ interesting. there can be some latency sometimes. ~04.48.15
5322--------[7.470]
5323~haddef-sigwen@ feelin' fine. ~05.09.27
5324~haddef-sigwen/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cKTrMUeJW4 ~05.12.30
5325~lapfur-mogpet@ .^(@uv %cz /=base=) ~05.23.01
5326~lapfur-mogpet@ .^(@uv %cz /=base=) ~05.23.38
5327~lapfur-mogpet@ whoops ^^ ~05.23.52
5328--------[7.475]
5329~migtem_marzod@ What doesn't youtube have! ~05.25.33
5330~lapfur-mogpet@ Well, since we are on the subject. I did that command ~05.26.11
5331 in dojo and I am still on the 0v5 release. How long
5332 should the new OTA update propogate?
5333~minder-folden@ Everybody drink! ~05.27.21
5334~fosmec-wisbyr@ thats an amazing video ~05.29.09
5335~fosmec-wisbyr@ whoah ~05.31.15
5336--------[7.480]
5337~fosmec-wisbyr@ ok ~05.31.18
5338~fosmec-wisbyr@ this is getting fairly anoying ~05.31.24
5339~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~05.31.46
5340~fosmec-wisbyr@ I wonder whats going on ~05.31.55
5341~fosmec-wisbyr@ test ~05.34.37
5342--------[7.485]
5343~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm seems to work just fine now ~05.34.44
5344~fosmec-wisbyr@ i guess ill try again in like 10 mins or so ~05.34.59
5345~minder-folden@ ~fosmec, what is it, exactly, that is going weird for ~05.38.27
5346 you?
5347~fosmec-wisbyr@ testing again ~05.44.58
5348~fosmec-wisbyr@ ok so when I send a message and then go afk for a few ~05.45.43
5349 minutes the messages sent by others don't show up.
5350--------[7.490]
5351~fosmec-wisbyr@ I have to send a message myself and then after I do ~05.46.11
5352 that all the messages sent before will start working
5353 properly
5354~fosmec-wisbyr@ and repeat ~05.46.18
5355~minder-folden@ Are you running your ship on your own computer? ~05.46.18
5356 Droplet on digital ocean?
5357~fosmec-wisbyr@ my own computer ~05.46.34
5358~minder-folden@ and you haven't received the OTA update yet, right? ~05.46.37
5359--------[7.495]
5360~fosmec-wisbyr@ I'm not too sure. I don't really know what that would ~05.46.57
5361 look like
5362~minder-folden@ I just tried to |hi your ship and it hasn't gone ~05.47.47
5363 through yet. What star are you under?
5364~fosmec-wisbyr@ ~litdev I think ~05.48.19
5365~minder-folden@ Just |hi'd ~litdev and it went through immediately. ~05.48.40
5366~fosmec-wisbyr@ hmm ~05.48.50
5367--------[7.500]
5368~minder-folden@ Stupid question, but have you shut down your ship and ~05.48.54
5369 restarted it?
5370~fosmec-wisbyr@ yes ~05.49.04
5371~fosmec-wisbyr@ restarted ship and host computer ~05.49.17
5372~minder-folden@ Switch to dojo and put in "+trouble" without the quote ~05.49.35
5373 marks
5374~minder-folden@ Base hash is what you'll look at ~05.49.54
5375--------[7.505]
5376~fosmec-wisbyr@ ok ~05.50.07
5377~minder-folden@ Last letters are "of4bg" ? ~05.50.20
5378~fosmec-wisbyr@ yeah ~05.53.13
5379~minder-folden@ That means you got the OTA. Might just be network ~05.53.59
5380 wackiness timing you out. Usually there's some
5381 wrinkles around updates, and then smooths out until
5382 the next crop of hiccups show up.
5383~minder-folden@ I have to head out, but your ship is up to date and ~05.54.46
5384 mostly sounds like you'll make it through just fine.
5385 But the main takeaway is when you think it's broken
5386 it's usually just taking its time.
5387--------[7.510]
5388~fosmec-wisbyr@ test ~05.57.07
5389~fosmec-wisbyr@ damn it's doing it again ~05.59.16
5390~timluc-miptev@ also testing ~05.59.34
5391~fosmec-wisbyr@ ok thanks for your help ~minder :) ~05.59.53
5392~minder-folden@ And one last parting tid-bit. What you're doing is ~05.59.57
5393 affectionately called "dot posting" which is where you
5394 post a period to kick the system. You don't have to
5395 test test test the whole thing. Dots are network-wide
5396 understood. Double last tid-bit: It's also very late
5397 and not many people are on. What might look like lag
5398 is just lack of online users.
5399--------[7.515]
5400~minder-folden@ See you on the flip side ~fosmec, and ~timluc. Good ~06.00.34
5401 luck with your tests!
5402~fosmec-wisbyr@ oh ok sorry :/ have a good night ~06.00.50
5403~somlus-savlev@ . ~06.12.32
5404~risruc-habteb@ . ~06.15.25
5405~timluc-miptev@ . ~06.19.02
5406--------[7.520]
5407~timluc-miptev@ Good morning all ~06.19.16
5408~rabsef-bicrym@ morning timluc ~06.25.35
5409~dirwex-dosrev@ . ~06.32.11
5410~timluc-miptev@ If my base hash from +trouble is hhah6, does that mean ~07.14.32
5411 I didn't get the OTA?
5412~dinlut-fablyn@ 0vp.1cn8q.t6h7i.u43r6.q73fj.knn87.4bshs.b9udo.lv9o2.fi ~07.22.57
5413 nkf.hhah6 is the hash for
5414--------[7.525]
5415~dinlut-fablyn/_github.com ~07.22.59
5416~dinlut-fablyn@ the patch for that OTA, arvo.2019.12.13-2, has a hash ~07.26.34
5417 of
5418 0v1m.7thj6.bt9f0.kecmn.psn12.t5nic.mev4p.oe12v.erhcb.b
5419 9ddc.of4bg
5420~dinlut-fablyn@ if you need more dumped cores to track down this bug ~07.30.06
5421 https://github.com/urbit/urbit/issues/2032 I could
5422 help. This planet seg faults multiple times a day.
5423~dinlut-fablyn@ my other planet has stopped crashing, for whatever ~07.30.43
5424 reason
5425~dirwex-dosrev@ yes, you're one ota behind ~timluc ~07.31.47
5426--------[7.530]
5427~dinlut-fablyn@ yeah, I could have directly said that, it would have ~07.35.27
5428 sounded more friendly.
5429~dinlut-fablyn@ retrying the sync should happen automatically. maybe ~07.37.19
5430 leave your planet running for a couple hours, if you
5431 run it on your laptop or something
5432~timluc-miptev@ Thanks ~07.39.33
5433~timluc-miptev@ Don't worry, I didn't take it as passive-aggressive; ~07.40.19
5434 good for me to learn to check all that myself
5435~dinlut-fablyn@ if the hash isn't listed in the release tag on github, ~07.42.02
5436 it should be on the urbit-dev mailing list
5437--------[7.535]
5438~dinlut-fablyn/_groups.google.com ~07.42.02
5439~timluc-miptev@ Weird I didn't get the patch yet: my ship is a cloud ~07.43.18
5440 instance that's always on
5441~dinlut-fablyn@ your star is the same as mine. I got the latest OTA ~07.51.19
5442 from it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
5443~borlyt-salnus@ how safe is urbit right now? if I'm with a village ~08.07.05
5444 with my friend and send him sensitive info, would that
5445 be insanely risky?
5446~timluc-miptev@ yeah weird, ~dinlut. I’ll check later. ~08.15.34
5447--------[7.540]
5448~timluc-miptev@ ~borlyt from what I understand, probably not a great ~08.16.20
5449 idea. I’d use a different secure channel for now.
5450~wicdev-wisryt@ has the network been behaving in the last five hours? ~08.21.20
5451~norsyr-torryn@ it looks like it :) although, probably not network ~08.30.19
5452 related but, ~wicdev, i haven't been able to post a
5453 comment on your bulletin board notebook
5454~wicdev-wisryt@ is that new in the last few hours that you've tried? ~08.30.50
5455~wicdev-wisryt@ i see two comments from you ~08.31.18
5456--------[7.545]
5457~norsyr-torryn@ uhmmm this is weird. the last one i see is by ~08.32.29
5458 ~littel-wolfur
5459~norsyr-torryn@ i posted again this morning cause i didn't see the one ~08.33.21
5460 from yesterday; sorry for spamming your notebook!
5461~wicdev-wisryt@ yeah i see one by ~poldec and then two by you ~08.33.29
5462~wicdev-wisryt@ not sure why you're not getting updates ~08.33.40
5463~wicdev-wisryt@ i would recommend unsubscribing and resubscribing, but ~08.34.57
5464 some people have issues with that causing the rest of
5465 their subscriptions to disappear from the web
5466 interface
5467--------[7.550]
5468~wicdev-wisryt@ although i believe unsubscrbihng from everytything ~08.35.44
5469 worked
5470~norsyr-torryn@ I ~08.37.12
5471~norsyr-torryn@ I'll give it a try :) thanks! ~08.37.18
5472~borlyt-salnus@ does anybody have experience running urbit inside a ~08.45.59
5473 docker?
5474~hadsef_marzod@ Wow. You guys weren't kidding about the length of ~08.46.31
5475 playback.
5476--------[7.555]
5477~hadsef_marzod@ It's still going. ~08.46.34
5478~timluc-miptev@ . ~09.46.37
5479~timluc-miptev@ ~borlut, yes, I’ve run it in Docker ~09.49.06
5480~timluc-miptev@ It wasn’t much of a win relative to just doing Ubuntu ~09.49.33
5481~timluc-miptev@ I ended up scripting the provisioning at the command ~09.50.04
5482 line, and then doing a Docker container to sync
5483 constant backups
5484--------[7.560]
5485~timluc-miptev@ You also have to decide whether your image will fully ~09.56.19
5486 generalize to starting with a new key, or whether
5487 you're fine only booting from an existing ship. Let me
5488 know if you have questions
5489~timluc-miptev@ hmmm actually now that I'm thinking this out, fully ~10.06.28
5490 Dockerized Urbit would be a nice win for my
5491 deployments. I'll make a generalized one later today
5492 or tomorrow
5493~timluc-miptev@ I just promised myself I wouldn't do anything devops-y ~10.07.30
5494 until I had done more Hoon
5495~palfun-foslup@ good morning u-h ~10.28.07
5496~palfun-foslup@ we're still alive, good (: ~10.28.15
5497--------[7.565]
5498~palfun-foslup@ my scrollback is full of two planets flapping ~10.28.34
5499 ok--not-responsing
5500~norsyr-torryn@ good morning! was the event at SF yesterday saved ~10.32.48
5501 somewhere? the google meet link just points to the
5502 actual livestream
5503~norsyr-torryn@ meet.google.com/kvo-gbyv-ryv ~10.32.49
5504~palfun-foslup@ woah, we livestreamed it? neat ~10.35.07
5505~palfun-foslup@ i imagine we then recorded it also, but i can't find ~10.35.29
5506 it yet
5507--------[7.570]
5508~norsyr-torryn@ I saw it posted on the meetup group :) the contributor ~10.38.23
5509 calls get a google drive link, but that needs to be a
5510 part of a google calendar event, I think
5511~wicdev-wisryt@ ~palfun try the new |ames-sift ~10.49.57
5512~wicdev-wisryt@ it takes a list of ships to filter the |ames-verb ~10.50.14
5513 output
5514~wicdev-wisryt@ i have one planet flapping, so i'm running ~10.50.25
5515~wicdev-wisryt@ |ames-sift ~talleg-bostug ~10.50.33
5516--------[7.575]
5517~wicdev-wisryt@ |ames-verb %snd %rcv %ges %msg %odd ~10.50.50
5518~wicdev-wisryt@ |ames-sift with no arguments resets to print for all ~10.51.22
5519 ships
5520~wicdev-wisryt@ |ames-verb with no arguments turns off all printing ~10.51.29
5521~palfun-foslup@ woah hi ~wicdev ~10.52.23
5522~palfun-foslup@ let me give that a shot ~10.52.28
5523--------[7.580]
5524~wicdev-wisryt@ in my case right now i think what might have been ~10.55.25
5525 causing it is stuck timers
5526~wicdev-wisryt@ something we introduced in the breach causes behn to ~10.55.50
5527 be totally stuck, not processing any timers until you
5528 set another timer
5529~wicdev-wisryt@ so we hacked in something that'll fire a timer after ~10.56.22
5530 ten minutes if you didn't explicitly say there's no
5531 timers left
5532~wicdev-wisryt@ which means it may resolve itself after that time ~10.56.34
5533~palfun-foslup@ i got these: ~10.56.39
5534--------[7.585]
5535~palfun-foslup/ https://pastebin.com/tLERyjtX ~10.56.42
5536~wicdev-wisryt@ you can also set a timer with -time ~s1 to kick it ~10.56.56
5537~palfun-foslup@ also in scrollback of ~palfun: memory compacting! ~10.57.08
5538~wicdev-wisryt@ nice ~10.57.26
5539~palfun-foslup@ and on both it and ~paldev, the big ol' random ford ~10.57.29
5540 stack trace again
5541--------[7.590]
5542~wicdev-wisryt@ the otas had plenty of ford stack traces ~10.57.50
5543~palfun-foslup@ even the "drip failed, bail: exit" ones? ~10.58.21
5544~wicdev-wisryt@ yep ~10.59.17
5545~palfun-foslup@ i ran -time ~s1... let's see if that ends the flapping ~10.59.47
5546~palfun-foslup@ maybe i should go and look at internal emails from ~11.00.02
5547 last night, too (;
5548--------[7.595]
5549~wicdev-wisryt@ i re-added the goad app and hooked it up to listen to ~11.00.13
5550 /sys. so now any time /sys changes it will recompile
5551 everything, but only after the first compilation
5552 attempt finishes
5553~palfun-foslup@ sweet ~11.01.06
5554~wicdev-wisryt@ on my side it looks like i'm just occasionally sending ~11.01.12
5555 a lot of data to ~talleg
5556~palfun-foslup@ am i correct in reading that it will "recompile even ~11.01.22
5557 if sys compile failed"?
5558~wicdev-wisryt@ :publish +verb is interesting ~11.01.23
5559--------[7.600]
5560~wicdev-wisryt@ it does look like a resubscribe loop ~11.01.34
5561~wicdev-wisryt@ i wonder if the clog handling is messed up somehow ~11.01.43
5562~palfun-foslup@ hmm flapping continues. will look at publish, yeah. ~11.01.48
5563 probably the culprit
5564~palfun-foslup@ yeah, getting on-leaves and on-watches right when the ~11.03.45
5565 flapping printfs happen
5566~palfun-foslup@ on-leave followed by not responding, then is ok ~11.04.01
5567 followed by on-watch
5568--------[7.605]
5569~wicdev-wisryt@ |verb looks like the on-leave is the result of a %clog ~11.04.21
5570 from ames
5571~wicdev-wisryt@ so the next step would be to find out exactly why it's ~11.04.58
5572 clogging
5573~norsyr-torryn@ (sorry for interjecting: is there something like ~11.05.19
5574 prey:pubsub:userlib in new gall?)
5575~palfun-foslup@ is %clog the "stream queue full, killing" thing? ~11.05.21
5576~wicdev-wisryt@ i think i have another flow that isn't going through ~11.05.24
5577--------[7.610]
5578~wicdev-wisryt@ yes ~palfun ~11.05.31
5579~palfun-foslup@ ~norsyr, it's built into new gall ~11.05.45
5580~palfun-foslup@ you %give gifts on a path, then all subscribers on ~11.06.01
5581 that path will receive the gift
5582~wicdev-wisryt@ the algorithm for clog is supposed to be "clog if not ~11.06.22
5583 responding and at least five messages in the queue"
5584~norsyr-torryn@ (ok, thanks ~palfun!) ~11.06.40
5585--------[7.615]
5586~wicdev-wisryt@ so if one flow is stuck, then even if the other one ~11.07.11
5587 isn't, it'll mark as dead after 2 minutes, and that
5588 might be enough to trigger the clog if the stuck flow
5589 has at least 5 messages
5590~palfun-foslup@ and dw about interjecting! (: ~11.07.12
5591~palfun-foslup@ ~wicdev "dead" there as in "not responding"? ~11.08.12
5592~palfun-foslup@ from the sound of previous discussions i would've ~11.08.30
5593 expected flows to be completely separate..
5594~palfun-foslup@ s/separate/independent ~11.08.36
5595--------[7.620]
5596~palfun-foslup@ (though maybe they still share sequence numbers, at ~11.09.19
5597 least. idk ames man (^: )
5598~wicdev-wisryt@ they are except for the "not responding/is ok" printfs ~11.09.20
5599~wicdev-wisryt@ or "qol" printfs ~11.09.29
5600~wicdev-wisryt@ but we piggy back on those for the clog heuristic ~11.09.41
5601~wicdev-wisryt@ that's probably bad -- it should just look at the one ~11.09.53
5602 flow
5603--------[7.625]
5604~wicdev-wisryt@ it wouldn't solve the ultimate problem, but it would ~11.10.16
5605 make it easier to identify
5606~wicdev-wisryt@ alternately, if we could filter ames printfs by bone, ~11.10.33
5607 that might also find it
5608~wicdev-wisryt@ what i want to know now is what |ames-verb %rcv on the ~11.11.44
5609 other side gives
5610~wicdev-wisryt@ because i'm seeing the message be sent, but i don't ~11.12.44
5611 seem to be getting any ack
5612~wicdev-wisryt@ so i want to know if they're dropping it or queueing ~11.13.04
5613 it or whatever
5614--------[7.630]
5615~palfun-foslup@ should be able to remote-debug my friends... but that ~11.13.17
5616 also depends on ames working properly (^:
5617~batbus-finfyn@ "to do so: remove $pier/.urb/chk/ and restart" Thanks. ~11.46.37
5618 This worked. It took forever (hours) but it worked.
5619~borlyt-salnus@ can anyone help me out with urbit inside docker? ~12.50.10
5620~borlyt-salnus@ it just ends after retrieving keys for sponsor ~pub ~12.50.35
5621~timluc-miptev@ did you start bash first? ~13.26.17
5622--------[7.635]
5623~timluc-miptev@ let me send you a simple Dockerfile that I had working ~13.26.54
5624 earlier today
5625~palfun-foslup@ i don't have any experience with that, but can offer ~13.28.13
5626 basic troubleshooting advice
5627~palfun-foslup@ what do you mean by "just ends"? stops doing anything? ~13.28.28
5628 do you end up in dojo or no?
5629~palfun-foslup@ it might be wanting to do network comms and unable to ~13.28.47
5630 do so, but i wouldn't expect that to completely halt
5631 the boot
5632~timluc-miptev@ yeah you should also map the ports ~13.29.27
5633--------[7.640]
5634~timluc-miptev@ one sec ~13.29.29
5635~timluc-miptev@ Dockerfile: https://pastebin.com/Y6PcHBN5 ~13.30.12
5636~timluc-miptev@ to build: ~13.30.30
5637~timluc-miptev@ export URBIT_VERSION=0.10.1 ~13.30.35
5638~timluc-miptev@ docker image build --build-arg URBIT_VERSION --tag ~13.30.47
5639 urbit:${URBIT_VERSION} .
5640--------[7.645]
5641~timluc-miptev@ then to run: ~13.31.38
5642~timluc-miptev@ docker container run -it --rm -p 80:80 ~13.31.48
5643 urbit:$URBIT_VERSION
5644~timluc-miptev@ that will put you at a bash prompt in a directory with ~13.32.05
5645 urbit installed
5646~timluc-miptev@ to test, try `./urbit -F zod` ~13.32.13
5647~timluc-miptev@ lemme know how that is ~13.32.57
5648--------[7.650]
5649~walnev-ladnev@ . ~13.44.09
5650~timluc-miptev@ (sorry just noticed I have aws-cli tools in the above ~14.09.51
5651 Dockerfile, was for my own use. Should still work fine
5652 though)
5653~fosmec-wisbyr@ . ~15.15.42
5654~fosmec-wisbyr@ yay it's fixed ~15.15.50
5655~fosmec-wisbyr@ I think ~15.15.53
5656--------[7.655]
5657~rabsef-bicrym@ whew - my poor ship having a bit of a day ~15.51.02
5658~sillus-mallus@ same ~15.53.18
5659~sitful-hatred@ the;< ~15.53.32
5660~sitful-hatred@ woops ~15.53.37
5661~sillus-mallus@ rekt ~15.53.41
5662--------[7.660]
5663~poldec-tonteg@ what happened? ~15.53.54
5664~poldec-tonteg@ i heard there was a rocky OTA but I wasn't online. ~15.54.25
5665~poldec-tonteg@ ~rabsef, great sigil, BTW ~15.54.53
5666~sillus-mallus@ i was thinking the same thing! ~15.55.26
5667~rabsef-bicrym@ im just crud hole event failing and i got locked up at ~15.57.55
5668 dojo and had to ctrl z
5669--------[7.665]
5670~rabsef-bicrym@ and thank you gery much. i specifically found it by ~15.58.21
5671 finding word parts i liked the shape of
5672~rabsef-bicrym@ also i think it sounds like a name ~15.58.41
5673~rabsef-bicrym@ vaguely ethnic ~15.58.53
5674~risruc-habteb@ current Hoon documentation ends with landscape tile ~15.59.43
5675 example. is there any documentation for full landscape
5676 webapp example?
5677~risruc-habteb@ iirc, it seems like the webapp stack used to include ~16.00.45
5678 elm, if not explicitly. does it still?
5679--------[7.670]
5680~risruc-habteb@ or maybe I'm just thinking of ~ponmep-litsem's work on ~16.07.06
5681 elm-bridge for Plato
5682~risruc-habteb@ regardless, the question remains. Is the only ~16.08.08
5683 'documentation' available, existing production code,
5684 i.e., landscape chat and publish
5685~ravmel-ropdyl@ the frontend has basically always been react ~16.12.41
5686~ravmel-ropdyl@ we could definitely do a better job of documenting our ~16.12.52
5687 https apis
5688~ravmel-ropdyl@ sorry, http ~16.12.55
5689--------[7.675]
5690~ravmel-ropdyl@ but you can certainly look at landscape to understand ~16.13.06
5691 them
5692~ravmel-ropdyl@ we've been talking about putting effort into this next ~16.13.19
5693 year
5694~risruc-habteb@ thank you. ~16.14.42
5695~timluc-miptev@ . ~16.53.48
5696~minder-folden@ ~wicdev, ~talleg is mine; might have shut it down last ~17.04.12
5697 night. can't remember.
5698--------[7.680]
5699~palfun-foslup@ good evening urbs ~17.11.39
5700~sicbud-hathes@ good mid-day ~palfun ~17.14.28
5701~timluc-miptev@ yo yo yo ~17.17.02
5702~fosmec-wisbyr@ hello :) ~17.21.30
5703~fosmec-wisbyr@ . ~17.37.11
5704--------[7.685]
5705~hanryc-tirpur@ . ~17.49.58
5706~hanryc-tirpur@ were last night's OTAs supposed to fix the https crash ~17.55.15
5707 bug? If so, do I need to do something else to complete
5708 the fix like delete my `chk` directory?
5709~hanryc-tirpur@ and good afternoon, everyone ~17.55.43
5710~somlus-savlev@ I think fosmec and hanryc are sigil siblings separated ~17.56.02
5711 at birth.
5712~somlus-savlev@ (my browser is still hanging up as well, BTW) ~17.56.27
5713--------[7.690]
5714~hanryc-tirpur@ lol ~17.58.35
5715~palfun-foslup@ ~hanryc, i don't think a https fix was included. ~18.01.21
5716 that's probably going out with the next release of the
5717 binary
5718~hanryc-tirpur@ ok cool, thanks ~18.01.33
5719~hanryc-tirpur@ Is there a way to query a star/galaxy to see what ~18.02.09
5720 planets/stars it has registered?
5721~palfun-foslup@ ~hanryc, we're working on network explorer ~18.12.24
5722 functionality in bridge
5723--------[7.695]
5724~palfun-foslup@ in the mean time, the urbit.live folks have a pretty ~18.12.33
5725 good one:
5726~palfun-foslup/ https://urbit.live/~marzod ~18.12.36
5727~palfun-foslup@ (though idk if the number there is entirely accurate, ~18.13.50
5728 it seems to cap at 256?
5729~palfun-foslup@ you can also use the getSpawned function here: ~18.14.14
5730~palfun-foslup/ https://etherscan.io/address/azimuth.eth#readContract ~18.14.18
5731--------[7.700]
5732~hanryc-tirpur@ thanks, again! ~18.17.33
5733~hanryc-tirpur@ Anyway to tell which planets are currently online and ~18.17.48
5734 active?
5735~hanryc-tirpur@ I mean other than finding all the registrations and ~18.23.12
5736 looping through to `|hi` them lol
5737~somlus-savlev@ Hi hanryc - I can't with my browser hangups if anyone ~18.51.43
5738 else has answered you already, but I think that the
5739 short answer is "no" partly because of current
5740 functionality limitations, but also partly because
5741 some of the promise of urbit is that one should be
5742 'discovered' or (further down the line with eventual
5743 corporate involvement) 'intruded upon'. There will
5744 definitely eventually need to be star performance
5745 differentiation, but online planet discover is sort
5746 nice to not have in many ways.
5747~somlus-savlev@ Error above: one should NEVER be 'discovered' or ~18.53.20
5748 'intruded upon,' implying that such a thing should
5749 happen with consent but not without their consent.
5750--------[7.705]
5751~hanryc-tirpur@ Seems like a fair point ~18.55.11
5752~somlus-savlev@ If I understand it correctly, one of the things that a ~18.57.33
5753 system like Urbit can do is allow technology to fade
5754 back into the role of serving us not shouting at us
5755 without our permission.
5756~minder-folden@ urbit is kind of the double opt in network. They have ~18.58.37
5757 to invite you, and you have to accept (for the most
5758 part). This prevents people from jumping into your
5759 attention without your consent.
5760~palfun-foslup/ https://i.imgur.com/XCm4oix.png ~19.02.57
5761~minder-folden@ perfection ~19.05.38
5762--------[7.710]
5763~sitful-hatred@ lol ~19.06.01
5764~hanryc-tirpur@ At some point, (hopefully) there will be enough ~19.17.21
5765 identities active that someone could reasonably expect
5766 to `|hi` a random identity and intrude on that.
5767~timluc-miptev@ It’s also nice that we’ll get some time to work out ~19.17.51
5768 those discovery/interaction norms, since the community
5769 is growing slowly. A lot of this will also be
5770 programmatic.
5771~hanryc-tirpur@ But by then, there will probably be a permission ~19.18.37
5772 system that will not allow the initiator to see any
5773 info about the identity unless the invitation is
5774 accepted
5775~timluc-miptev@ yeah, the promise of Urbit is that it’s easier/more ~19.20.53
5776 native to enforce those constraints
5777--------[7.715]
5778~timluc-miptev@ That’s a big reason I’m excited ~19.21.06
5779~fosmec-wisbyr@ . ~19.29.31
5780~fosmec-wisbyr@ so how is everyone doing this fine Saturday? ~19.38.32
5781~sicbud-hathes@ im doing okay ~19.38.53
5782~palfun-foslup@ doing great ~fosmec. how are you? ~19.39.20
5783--------[7.720]
5784~fosmec-wisbyr@ I'm doing pretty good :)) ~19.39.37
5785~sicbud-hathes@ for whatever reason when i go to localhost:5000 on ~19.43.31
5786 firefox it takes me to a fully functional bridge even
5787 when i dont have it running locally
5788~sicbud-hathes@ i bet its still in cache ~19.43.38
5789~sicbud-hathes/ https://i.imgur.com/P2DhDYh.png ~19.46.47
5790~palfun-foslup@ lol ~19.47.10
5791--------[7.725]
5792~palfun-foslup@ it might be running in a background process ~19.47.16
5793~sicbud-hathes@ who knows ~19.47.27
5794~sicbud-hathes@ chromium doesnt do this ~19.47.31
5795~sicbud-hathes@ so idk ~19.47.33
5796~palfun-foslup@ could also be aggressive browser cache ~19.47.38
5797--------[7.730]
5798~palfun-foslup@ i've hit that in the past ~19.47.42
5799~sicbud-hathes@ im not complaining though ~19.47.43
5800~palfun-foslup@ "it's free bridge!" ~19.47.52
5801~sicbud-hathes@ at least until the next release this is very ~19.48.12
5802 convenient
5803~sicbud-hathes@ i asked this last night but the ota kinda buried it ~20.15.24
5804--------[7.735]
5805~sicbud-hathes@ has anyone ever made a bot for urbit ~20.15.33
5806~palfun-foslup@ i made a chatbot, "talkbot", as one of my first ~20.17.18
5807 projects!
5808~sicbud-hathes@ nice! ive made chatbots for other platforms before but ~20.19.10
5809 i assume urbit would be different since i probably
5810 cant just use python like i always do
5811~fosmec-wisbyr@ how do I send images to the chat? ~20.19.29
5812~sicbud-hathes@ you upload them somewhere then send the link ~20.19.44
5813--------[7.740]
5814~palfun-foslup@ ~fosmec you send an image url on its own line. web ~20.19.46
5815 chat will render those as images
5816~palfun-foslup@ ~sicbud, i guess you could use python te do http ~20.20.13
5817 requests to a ship for reading & sending messages..
5818~palfun-foslup@ but the easiest is to just learn hoon and do it ~20.20.22
5819 natively (^;
5820~sicbud-hathes@ also i tested the bridge by 1 viewing points i hadnt ~20.20.57
5821 viewed before and 2 unlocking mine with a newly
5822 generated master ticket and both worked fine
5823~sicbud-hathes@ so yeah ~20.20.57
5824--------[7.745]
5825~sicbud-hathes@ fully working bridge ~20.21.01
5826~sicbud-hathes@ i guess until the next update i dont have to run a ~20.21.40
5827 server
5828~sicbud-hathes@ oh cool my sponsor and my sponsors sponsor arent ~20.22.41
5829 responding
5830~sicbud-hathes@ and i just got spammed with a bunch of crud: %hole ~20.23.24
5831 event failed
5832
5833~palfun-foslup@ oh crud ~20.26.06
5834--------[7.750]
5835~sicbud-hathes@ yeah ~20.26.22
5836~sicbud-hathes@ it wont connect to zod either ~20.26.28
5837~sicbud-hathes@ i think im gonna breach ~20.28.26
5838~palfun-foslup@ ~zod seems frozen, let me give it a kickin' ~20.28.30
5839~palfun-foslup@ oh, there it is ~20.29.00
5840--------[7.755]
5841~palfun-foslup@ didn' teven need to kick it. got crud holes, too ~20.29.07
5842~palfun-foslup@ ~sicbud, what do you want to solve with the breach? ~20.29.19
5843~sicbud-hathes@ i also have some random crashes too ~20.29.34
5844~sicbud-hathes@ especially late at night when im asleep ~20.29.42
5845~palfun-foslup@ hah, we had an ota last night that caused some ~20.30.09
5846 (predicted) stack traces
5847--------[7.760]
5848~palfun-foslup@ you're not actively on fire, are you? you seem pretty ~20.30.27
5849 alive
5850~sicbud-hathes@ yeah ~20.31.14
5851~sicbud-hathes@ i guess ~20.31.14
5852~sicbud-hathes@ hi doesnt work ~20.31.25
5853~palfun-foslup@ to who? it could be an issue on their end ~20.31.49
5854--------[7.765]
5855~sicbud-hathes@ to everyone ~20.31.58
5856~sicbud-hathes@ except dopzod ~20.32.02
5857~palfun-foslup@ hmm, i just tried |hi-ing you, but no luck. can you ~20.32.49
5858 try |hi-ing me?
5859~sicbud-hathes@ nothing ~20.33.10
5860~palfun-foslup@ doesn't look like i'm getting any packets from you ): ~20.34.03
5861--------[7.770]
5862~sicbud-hathes@ doesnt look like i can send messages in nopub ~20.34.08
5863~sicbud-hathes@ yeah ~20.34.10
5864~sicbud-hathes@ it seems i can only communicate with dopzod ~20.34.20
5865~sicbud-hathes@ which is kinda weird ~20.34.27
5866~palfun-foslup@ yeah i'm timing out trying to reach you ~20.34.41
5867--------[7.775]
5868~sicbud-hathes@ could me reticketing be the cause of this? ~20.34.58
5869~palfun-foslup@ oh wait ~20.35.05
5870~palfun-foslup@ some of my crud holes are %ames-crash-on-packet-from ~20.35.20
5871 ~sicbud-hathes
5872~sicbud-hathes@ ohj ~20.35.29
5873~sicbud-hathes@ that makes sense ~20.35.32
5874--------[7.780]
5875~palfun-foslup@ it doesn't say why though ~20.35.34
5876~sicbud-hathes@ a bunch of mine are probably from everyone i |hi-ed ~20.35.57
5877~palfun-foslup@ i think it's this ~20.36.09
5878~palfun-foslup/_github.com ~20.36.15
5879~palfun-foslup@ which is.. weird, because i'd expect that to detect ~20.36.44
5880 "won't be able to decrypt this" earlier
5881--------[7.785]
5882~palfun-foslup@ you say you reticketed. was your ship already running ~20.37.10
5883 when you did?
5884~sicbud-hathes@ yeah, is that the issue? ~20.37.23
5885~palfun-foslup@ reticketing changes your networking keys, so you need ~20.37.26
5886 to update those in your ship
5887~sicbud-hathes@ oohhhhh ~20.37.32
5888~palfun-foslup@ if you haven't already ~20.37.32
5889--------[7.790]
5890~sicbud-hathes@ how do i do that ~20.37.40
5891~palfun-foslup@ you run |rekey '0wsome.key' in dojo ~20.38.00
5892~palfun-foslup@ replacing that with whatever networking key bridge ~20.38.06
5893 gives you
5894~palfun-foslup@ (pretty sure it starts with 0w) ~20.38.14
5895~sicbud-hathes@ also how do you ota a comet ~20.38.42
5896--------[7.795]
5897~palfun-foslup@ kinda surprising you can still talk to ~dopzod then, ~20.38.46
5898 maybe it doesn't have your new keys yet?
5899~sicbud-hathes@ yeah ~20.38.50
5900~sicbud-hathes@ idk ~20.38.51
5901~palfun-foslup@ you can set up OTAs on comets by running |sync %base ~20.39.17
5902 ~marzod %kids
5903~sicbud-hathes@ authentication or encryption? ~20.41.27
5904--------[7.800]
5905~sicbud-hathes@ oh wait ~20.42.28
5906~sicbud-hathes@ those are public ~20.42.32
5907~palfun-foslup@ yeah ~20.42.36
5908~palfun-foslup@ you want the keyfile/its contents ~20.42.40
5909~sicbud-hathes@ one sec ~20.42.46
5910--------[7.805]
5911~sicbud-hathes@ im gonna transfer this over to my cloud server ~20.43.07
5912~sicbud-hathes@ ill be on my comet if it updates before i transfer it ~20.43.28
5913~palfun-foslup@ looks like it worked (: ~20.47.13
5914~tapsec_marzod@ comet time ~20.55.35
5915~tapsec_marzod@ just gotta remember, comet for dopzod, planet for ~20.56.04
5916 everything else
5917--------[7.810]
5918~tapsec_marzod@ and of course running this comet has slowed my ~20.57.17
5919 internet to a crawl
5920~midlyx-hatrys@ ++ cork |*([a=_|=(* **) b=gate] (corl b a)) ~21.04.19
5921~midlyx-hatrys@ what does '**' stand for there? ~21.04.54
5922~palfun-foslup@ the second * is as in "noun" ~21.05.15
5923~midlyx-hatrys@ and aren't both arguments supposed to be gates? ~21.05.17
5924--------[7.815]
5925~palfun-foslup@ the first is as in "bunt of this type" ~21.05.20
5926~palfun-foslup@ i think we do the convoluted _|= there for wet gate ~21.05.53
5927 reasons
5928~midlyx-hatrys@ I thought just one '*' is "noun"? ~21.05.55
5929~midlyx-hatrys@ ah ~21.06.07
5930~midlyx-hatrys@ the fact remains that I utterly failed to use +cork to ~21.08.55
5931 compose two stupid gates (the type system was mad at
5932 me in various cryptic ways) but hoon was perfectly
5933 happy with me just writing out the same composition by
5934 hand
5935--------[7.820]
5936~midlyx-hatrys@ well, that's not going to be tonight's cognitive ~21.09.23
5937 battle :)
5938~palfun-foslup@ yeah cork and corl are really iffy like tat ~21.10.35
5939~palfun-foslup@ i wish it wasn't so! ~21.10.54
5940~palfun-foslup@ it's lots of fun to get fancy with cork, cury, ;: and ~21.11.27
5941 friends
5942~midlyx-hatrys@ one kinda expects bog-standard FP stuff like that to ~21.13.11
5943 Just Work, it's the current year! oh well :)
5944--------[7.825]
5945~palfun-foslup@ is it still bog-standard if it's written in hoon? (^: ~21.13.39
5946~palfun-foslup@ behind-the-scenes planning work is being done on a new ~21.14.01
5947 version of hoon, it'll probably be a lot better about
5948 these things, and more
5949~midlyx-hatrys@ also loved this way to write a gate: =|([p=@ q=@] ~21.14.47
5950 |.((add p q)))
5951~midlyx-hatrys@ bloody golfers ~21.15.01
5952~midlyx-hatrys@ it is educational, there's no denying that ~21.15.48
5953--------[7.830]
5954~palfun-foslup@ lol that's pretty much what |= compiles down to ~21.16.09
5955~palfun-foslup@ (it actually compiles down to |% with ++ $, but that's ~21.16.28
5956 what |. does too)
5957~midlyx-hatrys@ yeah, the pretty-printed result is identical, I assume ~21.17.11
5958 the nock is too
5959~palfun-foslup@ where did you find that even ~21.17.51
5960~midlyx-hatrys@ in the "examples" section for +roll ~21.18.17
5961--------[7.835]
5962~palfun-foslup@ good god ~21.19.58
5963~midlyx-hatrys@ it's all pretty fun, really ~21.21.39
5964~palfun-foslup@ maybe at some point in history (roll l add) didn't ~21.22.27
5965 work for some reason?
5966~nidsyp-widsum@ New hoon? Sounds seismic. I remember when there was a ~21.36.49
5967 keyword form of hoon that was compatible with and/or
5968 equivalent to runes.
5969~tapsec_marzod@ i was gonna use mobile chat but then i remembered the ~21.47.50
5970 whole thing where my planet doesnt work here
5971--------[7.840]
5972~batbus-finfyn@ Why can I only see back 2 hours of history? ~21.54.57
5973~tapsec_marzod@ actually chatting from this comet is kinda weird ~22.04.28
5974~tapsec_marzod@ it only shows new messages sometimes ~22.04.40
5975~tapsec_marzod@ and mainly when i send one ~22.04.45
5976~tapsec_marzod@ also im still getting ethwatcher errors on here ~22.09.23
5977--------[7.845]
5978~batbus-finfyn@ "
5979 also im still getting ethwatcher errors on here" I ~22.15.01
5980 get those too.
5981~tapsec_marzod@ and it keeps saying zod isnt responding immediaely ~22.15.11
5982 followed by zod is ok
5983~botter-nidnul@ have you setup the comet to get OTAs ~22.23.09
5984 ~tapsec-pitfel-bansum-nocmyr--ripsed-bisfel-billut-mar
5985 zod? that might explain your problems
5986~nidsyp-widsum@ . ~22.33.25
5987~haddef-sigwen@ dot received ~22.33.34
5988--------[7.850]
5989~hanryc-tirpur@ . ~22.50.10
5990~tapsec_marzod@ i synced to marzod %kids ~22.55.57
5991~ronreg-ribdev@ congrats ~23.00.14
5992~tapsec_marzod@ i love errors ~23.22.52
5993~somlus-savlev@ . ~23.32.52
5994--------[7.855]
5995~hanryc-tirpur@ Is there any way to see everyone you have `|hi`d? ~23.40.32
5996~hanryc-tirpur@ Basically, I am trying to make a contact list for ~23.49.23
5997 landscape. I'm wondering if the data is available to
5998 me
5999~palfun-foslup@ ~hanryc, previously you were able to scry a list of ~23.53.19
6000 neighbors out of ames, but i can't find any scry
6001 endpoints in new ames' code
6002~somlus-savlev@ That would be a very nice feature - last time of ~23.53.25
6003 contact with every ship you're in touch with...
6004~palfun-foslup@ it's part of a debug info ui we want to provide, so ~23.53.48
6005 we'll probably have that in in the near future
6006--------[7.860]
6007~palfun-foslup@ (we're also working on a contacts app/store and expect ~23.54.18
6008 to put that live early next year)
6009~hanryc-tirpur@ damn it, now i have to come up with another idea for ~23.54.36
6010 my final project lol
6011~palfun-foslup@ you can still do a contacts thing if you want! ~23.55.06
6012~palfun-foslup@ or hook something up to the contacts store, i think ~23.55.33
6013 it's on a dev branch somewhere..
6014~hanryc-tirpur@ hmm... ok I'll take a look. I'd like to get that final ~23.56.56
6015 project out of the way before the end of the year
6016--------[7.865]
6017~hanryc-tirpur@ I have an app proposal I'm hoping to submit for next ~23.58.23
6018 year, don't want join 201 hanging over my head
6019~somlus-savlev@ Question: yesterday I was talking to ~ravmel-ropdyl ~00.02.19
6020 at the SF event about an Urbit use case idea he
6021 shared. It is: store your entire genome and medical
6022 history in your urbit, and then when someone wants to
6023 know or test for something, you give them permission
6024 to send in a test for ONLY that thing within the data.
6025 So you could test for a rare mutation without giving
6026 anyone your genetic info. This is amazing. But the
6027 question then is: how can this data be stored safely
6028 within urbit? Or at least how can you convince the
6029 public that it is safe from prying eyes within Urbit?
6030 Is that something that urbit is close to having now,
6031 or is the ability to create a separate encrypted set
6032 of data (within urbit) and the ability to decrypt that
6033 info (still within urbit) already a potential use, as
6034 part of urbit's existing structure?
6035~haddef-sigwen@ why is ~ravmel so amiable to putting biometrics on ~00.02.54
6036 this thing
6037~haddef-sigwen@ I think you can hold secrets in jael but I’m not well ~00.03.33
6038 versed on it. there’s a lot of stuff you want
6039 basically encrypted away. Ethereum or bitcoin wallets.
6040~haddef-sigwen@ biometrics are like that I think ~00.03.39
6041--------[7.870]
6042~haddef-sigwen@ and being able to employ them only for your ship is ~00.04.13
6043 baseline stuff. so. I suppose theoretically yes. but
6044 we have no biometric program rn
6045~risruc-habteb@ my first segfault of the era today, folks ~00.05.24
6046~risruc-habteb@ but it looks like we're back with no problems. ~00.07.48
6047~somlus-savlev@ My mindset is in trying to think of killer use cases ~00.07.53
6048 (someone create that notebook or chat channel!) and
6049 extremely private info is one thing. Somewhat
6050 separately, I have an architect friend who wants to
6051 create a truly intelligent home that knows everything
6052 about you and your movements, and gets the house ready
6053 for your arrival, etc. But that level of information
6054 is creepy in the current world. I'm ok with my house
6055 knowing my location and that I'm on a plane or car
6056 coming home, or knows my mood and what sort of light &
6057 music to have waiting for me when I get home. But I
6058 really don't want that info on a server in the cloud.
6059~risruc-habteb@ minor panic, noticing my server was not accessible for ~00.08.03
6060 a few minutes.
6061--------[7.875]
6062~somlus-savlev@ So urbit and the internet of things could be another ~00.08.05
6063 strong use case of course
6064~risruc-habteb@ ~somlus, absolutely agree on that one. ~00.08.33
6065~risruc-habteb@ smart home stuff is not interesting to me right now ~00.08.51
6066 with google or samsung as provider
6067~somlus-savlev@ Also haddef, since you asked "why is ~ravmel so ~00.09.06
6068 amiable to putting biometrics on this thing" and you
6069 always have good thoughts about stuff, why are you
6070 reluctant or not as excited to consider that (or
6071 perhaps I read you wrong)?
6072~risruc-habteb@ and nothing against them specifically even... it's ~00.09.08
6073 just a lot of hops for men in the middle.
6074--------[7.880]
6075~risruc-habteb@ but urbit does open up all of those applications ~00.10.04
6076~risruc-habteb@ same thing for 'smart assistant' type technologies ~00.10.28
6077~risruc-habteb@ (ignoring the fact that they do already,) I don't want ~00.11.31
6078 google to have enough data on me to be able to provide
6079 the level of service that i'd want out of a smart
6080 assistant. so i'm not interested in ai assistant
6081 developments for now.
6082~somlus-savlev@ That's my perspective too. I also haven't done any ~00.12.34
6083 genetic testing (i.e. 23 and me) for the same reason.
6084 No company gets to have that much info on me without
6085 my permission, if I can opt out.
6086~haddef-sigwen@ in my personal life I have found that biometrics were ~00.18.05
6087 a lot like the quantification of my listening habits,
6088 reading lists
6089--------[7.885]
6090 ~middev@ i'm getting a bunch of %crude: hole event failed ~00.18.15
6091 messages on my planet - is this a known issue?
6092~haddef-sigwen@ they affected my behaviour in a recursive loop and ~00.18.26
6093 essentially took the beauty from life, from
6094 spontaneity
6095~haddef-sigwen@ I see it as stagnant but good nature ~00.18.35
6096~master-morzod@ ~somlus, i'd say being capable of such use-cases ~00.18.43
6097 (personal private data, smart-home, &c) is an
6098 important goal for urbit
6099~haddef-sigwen@ natured* incentives ~00.18.46
6100--------[7.890]
6101~somlus-savlev@ That is an outstanding answer ~haddef ~00.19.05
6102~risruc-habteb@ ~haddef, i really like that bit of description. ~00.19.08
6103~haddef-sigwen@ I’m just describing my personal aversion ~00.19.16
6104~somlus-savlev@ Whether or not you perceive your conversation is heard ~00.19.41
6105 will definitely change the content of the
6106 conversation, similarly. I
6107~somlus-savlev@ I also feel that intrusion in my brain as an unwelcome ~00.20.05
6108 force.
6109--------[7.895]
6110~master-morzod@ an urbit is designed to be unambiguously owned and ~00.20.30
6111 highly secure, while being networked
6112~master-morzod@ important note, it's not there yet. security is, to ~00.21.14
6113 some extent, a matter of polish
6114~master-morzod@ (fwiw, i'm not personally interested in biometrics ~00.21.44
6115 either)
6116~somlus-savlev@ ah, that is what I was hoping. ~00.21.46
6117~master-morzod@ how we accomplish this (or are designed to) is ... the ~00.22.24
6118 whole thing
6119--------[7.900]
6120~somlus-savlev@ I guess I thought of genetics less as biometrics as ~00.22.28
6121 health / medical information. Since I'm in health I
6122 see the complete mess that medical information is in
6123 now.
6124~palfun-foslup@ ~haddef can you elaborate on the "recursive loop" ~00.22.31
6125 part?
6126~master-morzod@ in loose termes: small components, tightly specified, ~00.22.57
6127 strong types, pure functions, &c
6128~palfun-foslup@ i'm thinking the general use case for biometrics is ~00.22.58
6129 measuring so you can optimize towards a goal and
6130 observe results more concretely, maybe you have
6131 something else in mind
6132~master-morzod@ *"in loose terms" ~00.23.16
6133--------[7.905]
6134~haddef-sigwen@ yes the optimisation is a matter of a recursive ~00.24.00
6135 assessment of future actions. for books or for music
6136 it made it into work as I predicted outcomes and tried
6137 to shape them. for biometrics it basically makes me
6138 feel like Sisyphus already anticipating to spend this
6139 many calories at this heart rate
6140~haddef-sigwen@ being surprised and letting myself grow outside my own ~00.24.16
6141 observation has made me much happier as a human
6142~haddef-sigwen@ I think the ego is not an infinite good, it can ~00.24.56
6143 basically run itself into a rut. it needs to mediate
6144 with environments and with fate
6145~palfun-foslup@ "letting myself grow outside my own observation" is ~00.25.45
6146 great phrasing. i can feel that.
6147~haddef-sigwen@ I wasn’t planning on having wine and chips today. but ~00.25.53
6148 I will, because I love life and that I can do so.
6149 maybe I’ll work out tomorrow because I love feeling
6150 capable and attuned with my body. but maybe not
6151--------[7.910]
6152~risruc-habteb@ perhaps it might be similar to the case of mirrors. no ~00.26.15
6153 one greatly admires a man who spends much of his free
6154 time gazing in admiration upon his own countenance.
6155~somlus-savlev@ yes, that is a beautiful phrasing of something I know ~00.26.33
6156 to be true
6157~risruc-habteb@ changing topics somewhat.... ~haddef, to what extent ~00.29.30
6158 is reverse order message presentation intrinsic to the
6159 way landscape chat is built? or -- how much would be
6160 involved in not doing it that way?
6161~palfun-foslup@ perhaps it is a variant on tho whole "what doesn't ~00.29.33
6162 kill you make you stronger" thing, in that optimizing
6163 loosely/chaotically puts a bit more strain on you than
6164 optimizing on a narrow, perfectly-aimed track does,
6165 making you more resilient to fluctuation to QoL as
6166 they inevitably happen, in the long run
6167~somlus-savlev@ Perhaps ~palfun but that is still forward-looking. I ~00.32.09
6168 perceive the value around which we are rallying to be
6169 more of a flow state that's connected to/responding to
6170 your internal emerging expressions.
6171--------[7.915]
6172~somlus-savlev@ not to discount the point though palfun - it's ~00.32.55
6173 certainly valid / valuable from another perspective.
6174~haddef-sigwen@ ~risruc that was ~tacryt but if it were to change it ~00.33.19
6175 would probably get assigned to me lol, I’m unsure how
6176 much more sanely to do it. presumably we would rewrite
6177 the sticky scroll logic
6178~haddef-sigwen@ it’s certainly cleaner but it comes with the trade off ~00.33.45
6179 of no logs and Fuck Firefox
6180~palfun-foslup@ yeah agreed. there's immense value in the moment, too, ~00.33.47
6181 and going with gracefully it is its own kind of muscle
6182~risruc-habteb@ ok. right, i figured it's not a trivial fix or we ~00.33.53
6183 would have done it that way.
6184--------[7.920]
6185~risruc-habteb@ it looks nice, but it's quite annoying not being able ~00.34.14
6186 to copy and paste
6187~risruc-habteb@ i've got a folder of screenshots of chat logs, because ~00.34.40
6188 it's too much work to rearrange the messages in order
6189 :)
6190~haddef-sigwen@ can you copy and paste Facebook messenger logs? I ~00.35.24
6191 literally dunno
6192~risruc-habteb@ good question. also don't know. ~00.36.05
6193~risruc-habteb@ just checked -- yes. can. ~00.37.01
6194--------[7.925]
6195~haddef-sigwen@ I would probably look at their implementation or ~00.37.31
6196 something
6197~somlus-savlev@ Yeah I have noticed that too - for those of us ~00.38.00
6198 learning and wanting to copy paste it's hard.
6199~somlus-savlev@ Risruc what I do is copy paste into excel, create an ~00.38.27
6200 adjacent column of numbers and reverse sort.
6201~risruc-habteb@ right, same, if i need text. ~00.39.15
6202~risruc-habteb@ otherwise, i snip and send to myself on telegram. lol. ~00.39.34
6203--------[7.930]
6204~littel-wolfur@ yay i'm back ~00.39.48
6205~littel-wolfur@ i think.. still period crud: %hole event failed ~00.42.42
6206 messages
6207~littel-wolfur@ periodically getting* ~00.42.54
6208~haddef-sigwen@ oh my fucking god our users have to paste our app into ~00.45.23
6209 excel to get it to work
6210~palfun-foslup@ does this confirm excel for #1 software? ~00.46.07
6211--------[7.935]
6212~risruc-habteb@ xD.. talk about an image driving home a point. ~00.46.16
6213~somlus-savlev@ Haha! Mainly when I need to copy a long string of ~00.47.57
6214 chat entries to save them for later learning. Like the
6215 session in hoontards that I need to dig into later, I
6216 had to copy all of that out and it pastes in exact
6217 reverse order.
6218~haddef-sigwen@ I thought you were just making study notes from my ~00.49.40
6219 Great Thoughts
6220~risruc-habteb@ he's currently ripping up all of his reading logs and ~00.50.12
6221 biometric tapes
6222~risruc-habteb@ I won't leave you on the edges of your respective ~00.51.59
6223 seats wondering why i wanted to copy the chat log now,
6224 prompting my query.
6225--------[7.940]
6226~risruc-habteb@ i'd noted that we had ~2.5 unique, interesting ~00.52.26
6227 conversation threads going on here.
6228~risruc-habteb@ and i wanted to play around with how those threads ~00.52.56
6229 might be presented more cleanly
6230~risruc-habteb@ without requiring much more Work by users to play ~00.53.15
6231 along.
6232~somlus-savlev@ Actually I literally did copy paste a quote from you ~00.53.53
6233 up there to keep ~haddef. Sort of wish you hadn't
6234 outed me on that!
6235~haddef-sigwen@ yeah man I was watching you do it. we’re Facebook in ~00.54.44
6236 here. I know you ... use chat and publish sometimes
6237--------[7.945]
6238~somlus-savlev@ damn. recording my key clicks. zoddamit. ~00.56.01
6239~palfun-foslup@ ~risruc you mean you don't enjoy the pseudo-schizo ~00.56.15
6240 experience of having the many-to-many of conversations
6241 and channels intermingled into a single flat messaging
6242 stream?
6243~littel-wolfur@ blasphemy ~00.57.20
6244~haddef-sigwen@ I suddenly imagined if we hooked this all up to a ~00.59.16
6245 thread store and treated all messages as potential
6246 threads. but then thread store is used for other UIs
6247 so you could transmog the interface context from a
6248 chatroom to microblog thread conversation
6249~haddef-sigwen@ and back again ~00.59.20
6250--------[7.950]
6251~haddef-sigwen@ that’s ... I think I am an oracle ~00.59.35
6252~risruc-habteb@ bingo ~00.59.43
6253~palfun-foslup@ transmogging uis, the ever-returning urbit ui goal ~01.00.02
6254~palfun-foslup@ one day! ~01.00.14
6255~haddef-sigwen@ we like to mog ~01.00.18
6256--------[7.955]
6257~haddef-sigwen@ what can I say ~01.00.22
6258~palfun-foslup@ lol ~01.00.31
6259~risruc-habteb@ it's going to be ? ~01.00.40
6260~risruc-habteb@ eventually, urbit will live up to its vision ~01.01.55
6261~risruc-habteb@ will be wild. ~01.02.20
6262--------[7.960]
6263~risruc-habteb@ i'm of the opinion that we might as well cut to the ~01.05.25
6264 chase :)
6265~rabsef-bicrym@ im getting some pretty serious hangs on newest hash. ~01.06.53
6266 should i try a personal breach? basically if i leave
6267 my urbit for any amt of time it will hang and i have
6268 to ctrl-z or access ssl landscape which crashes me in
6269 a segmentation fault
6270~rabsef-bicrym@ it seems like i still receive msg and data after that ~01.08.17
6271 point but ctrl-x and console generally are
6272 unresponsive
6273~palfun-foslup@ there's known issues with ssl landscape ~01.08.19
6274~rabsef-bicrym@ i know i just meant it helps me get out of the other ~01.08.34
6275 issue
6276--------[7.965]
6277~palfun-foslup@ also freezes are a known issue, one (1) fix incoming ~01.08.35
6278 soon
6279~palfun-foslup@ a breach would be overkill for this, and probably ~01.08.54
6280 wouldn't help for these specific issues
6281~rabsef-bicrym@ ah i did not knoe. thank you ~01.08.57
6282~rabsef-bicrym@ ill ride the wave - thanks for the info ~01.10.18
6283~tapsec_marzod@ is it possible to run the azimuth tracker command from ~01.13.57
6284 the troubleshooting guide on dopzod and would it
6285 possibly inform it that i have a new key
6286--------[7.970]
6287~tapsec_marzod@ on my planet ~01.14.13
6288~risruc-habteb@ are you ~sicbud? ~01.18.47
6289~walnev-ladnev@ .-.-. ~01.20.16
6290~walnev-ladnev@ Uh oh, the scrollback is limited again now ~01.20.59
6291~tapsec_marzod@ i am sicbud ~01.27.33
6292--------[7.975]
6293~tapsec_marzod@ i can prove it in another channel i have access to ~01.27.41
6294~tapsec_marzod@ . ~02.36.02
6295~risruc-habteb@ sorry, went MIA after i asked. ~03.13.00
6296~risruc-habteb@ but, you mentioned earlier that you borked things by ~03.13.28
6297 resetting your network keys while youre planet was
6298 running.
6299~risruc-habteb@ did you resolve that properly? ~03.13.34
6300--------[7.980]
6301~risruc-habteb@ i.e., by resetting your keys -again- while checking ~03.14.16
6302 'breach continuity'
6303~hanryc-tirpur@ . ~03.38.47
6304~somlus-savlev@ . ~05.26.34
6305~somlus-savlev@ I guess it is indeed actually that quiet. Gnite ~05.27.06
6306 folks.
6307~haddef-sigwen@ combination of people snoozing and some problems for ~05.42.08
6308 new people connecting to the network
6309--------[7.985]
6310~timluc-miptev@ . ~06.20.30
6311~migtem_marzod@ that and the "if theres nothing to respond to, i wont ~06.24.02
6312 say anything" cycle
6313~somfus_marzod@ Hello ~06.42.27
6314~litmus-ritten@ Hello. ~06.44.54
6315~somfus_marzod@ stupid question: if I write something in a notebook ~06.53.22
6316 here, it's saved to my computer, yeah? Is it
6317 encrypted? Can I see the file where it is saved?
6318--------[7.990]
6319~litmus-ritten@ Look in /home/web/publish/ under your comet's pier ~07.07.41
6320 directory.
6321~litmus-ritten@ So yes, no, yes to your questions. ~07.08.19
6322~somfus_marzod@ Dope, thank you ~07.12.21
6323~somfus_marzod@ ls ~07.13.53
6324~litmus-ritten@ You're welcome. ~07.26.50
6325--------[7.995]
6326~timluc-miptev@ Morning, all ~07.57.24
6327~botter-nidnul@ well, your notebook is encrypted as its contents ~07.58.01
6328 travel from your comet to someone else's planet or
6329 star
6330~botter-nidnul@ it's not encrypted inside the urbit file system ~07.58.33
6331~timluc-miptev@ |mount /=home= ~08.59.01
6332~timluc-miptev@ sorry ~08.59.16
6333--------[8.000]
6334~timluc-miptev@ Is it safe to remove published notes with simple ~09.01.28
6335 deletion?
6336~timluc-miptev@ i.e. just delete from my dojo? ~09.01.37
6337~timluc-miptev@ Also, I'm in 2.3.2 of the Hoon tutorial, and they're ~09.04.38
6338 using |$, but it's not in the docs. Is there a
6339 newer/more idiomatic way to declare a mold?
6340~batbus-finfyn@ Does this get you the latest OTA? ~10.50.04
6341~batbus-finfyn@ "i synced to marzod %kids" ~10.50.08
6342--------[8.005]
6343~batbus-finfyn@ "i synced to marzod %kids" will this get me the latest ~10.52.28
6344 OTA?
6345~borlyt-salnus@ ~palfun, it just says the command ended with exit code ~11.13.48
6346 1 right after
6347~borlyt-salnus@ I'll try ~timluc his dockerfile ~11.14.10
6348~timluc-miptev@ k lemme know ~11.17.46
6349~timluc-miptev@ . ~12.07.35
6350--------[8.010]
6351~litmus-ritten@ Can someone explain the dotposting? ~12.38.11
6352~litmus-ritten@ Oh, I get it. Missing period at the end of sentences. ~12.38.53
6353~timluc-miptev@ Na, it’s just a sanity check to make sure you’re ~13.03.14
6354 online, rather than writing “test”
6355~bispem-togler@ . ~13.04.36
6356~somfus_marzod@ So is this chat fully P2P? ~13.06.22
6357--------[8.015]
6358~borlyt-salnus@ yep ~13.06.30
6359~borlyt-salnus@ ~timluc it works with ur dockerfile ~13.31.26
6360~borlyt-salnus@ thanks so much ~13.31.32
6361~borlyt-salnus@ off to try it with my real planet ~13.31.45
6362~todmyl-rapryp/_www.urbit.us ~13.53.07
6363--------[8.020]
6364~todmyl-rapryp@ yall seen this ~13.53.16
6365~timluc-miptev@ Awesome, ~borlyt! I’ll probably make a full automated ~13.57.07
6366 cloud deployment at some point based on that.
6367~palfun-foslup@ greetings u-h ~14.31.40
6368~palfun-foslup@ i hadn't seen that yet ~todmyl, i wonder what's up ~14.31.53
6369 with their name
6370~timluc-miptev@ . ~14.37.07
6371--------[8.025]
6372~minder-folden@ ~timluc; how's the network treating you? ~15.11.08
6373~minder-folden@ Another way to see if it's just slow around here ~15.12.12
6374 versus the network crapping out on you is to switch to
6375 the dojo and put in "|hi ~dopzod" (without the quote
6376 marks). That will send a ping to the host star of this
6377 chat, and you should get a "hi successful" if you have
6378 a live connection.
6379~hanryc-tirpur@ . ~15.19.36
6380~timluc-miptev@ thanks, minder--it's generally been good ~15.20.12
6381~timluc-miptev@ I was just having some ship issues and wanted to test ~15.21.00
6382 chat after bringing it up again
6383--------[8.030]
6384~minder-folden@ ~timluc, good! ~15.23.42
6385~rovlyr-malren@ Is ~bolbex-fogdys/hoon-school still available? Can't ~15.25.51
6386 seem to be able to rejoin after the breach
6387~palfun-foslup@ ~rovlyr, seems live to me ~15.39.29
6388~palfun-foslup@ can you |hi ~bolbex-fogdys? ~15.40.00
6389~bantus-fogpet@ Hey, where'd the indicator at the top of the chat ~16.31.24
6390 saying how many ships are in the room, go?
6391--------[8.035]
6392~minder-folden@ Got phased out ~bantus. Now there's no list of members ~16.31.58
6393 outing everyone.
6394~bantus-fogpet@ Hmm. Is there any way to track at least the number of ~16.32.46
6395 ships in a given chat?
6396~minder-folden@ Not for now, at least. ~16.34.59
6397~bantus-fogpet@ But the entire chat history is still visible? ~16.42.06
6398~bantus-fogpet@ (in which case it's just a matter of building a tool, ~16.42.22
6399 obv)
6400--------[8.040]
6401~haddef-sigwen@ I mean, people might leave the chat. in which case ~16.44.38
6402 their presence would be a facade
6403~haddef-sigwen@ I’m unsure about the back end api for members. but if ~16.45.42
6404 it was just listing everyone who wrote to the store or
6405 who requested write access it would probably
6406 overstate. we might be bringing it back too but I
6407 really don’t know
6408~timluc-miptev@ Obviously in the long run, people can program chats ~16.48.26
6409 however they want. But I sort of like the default (for
6410 these open chats, at least) being not seeing the
6411 number of members. It starts to feel too
6412 2017-crypto-Telegram-y when people start counting chat
6413 members as some kind of metric
6414~rabsef-bicrym@ Good morning U-H ~17.03.40
6415~minder-folden@ Hey ~rabsef ~17.05.56
6416--------[8.045]
6417~rabsef-bicrym@ How's it goin ~minder-folden? ~17.06.59
6418~minder-folden@ Another day, another adventure! Working on the website ~17.10.14
6419 for my upcoming January show. Then off to teach kung
6420 fu at the neighborhood powerlifting gym. Like ya do.
6421~ravmel-ropdyl@ mornin ~18.35.32
6422~hardux-rigdel@ Good morning Mars. Feeling freshly inspired by my ~18.37.41
6423 visit to Tlon (thanks again for having me, and for the
6424 great conversation!) and working on learning Solidity
6425~palfun-foslup@ sad i wasn't there to meet you ~hardux! ~18.40.32
6426--------[8.050]
6427~palfun-foslup@ feel free to hmu if you ever want any solidity and/or ~18.40.49
6428 azimuth questions answered (:
6429~hardux-rigdel@ Thanks ~palfun, that would be great. Working through ~18.45.50
6430 some tutorials and after that I'm planning to write a
6431 contract that lets stars keep track of (as yet
6432 hypothetical) subscriber payments, per ~wicdev's
6433 suggestion
6434~palfun-foslup@ that sound great ~hardux! pay2sponsor.sol will be a ~18.50.29
6435 worthwhile addition to the ecosystem (:
6436~risruc-habteb@ question i've been thinking about slightly -- what ~18.51.22
6437 will be the easiest/first way for people to
6438 send/receive payments in fiat currencies?
6439~haddef-sigwen@ man how weird. it is way, way easier to do this with ~18.51.49
6440 crypto wallets than figuring out some API to a payment
6441 processor
6442--------[8.055]
6443~haddef-sigwen@ like theoretically using stripe api is pretty easy ~18.52.08
6444 but, it's the other parts of that workflow that make
6445 me go enghhh
6446~risruc-habteb@ right, of course. and we can say it's 'better' or not. ~18.53.01
6447~risruc-habteb@ but a large demographic likes paying and being paid in ~18.53.15
6448 fiat currency
6449~risruc-habteb@ will be nice to support that. ~18.53.20
6450~palfun-foslup@ probably stripe, or paypal maybe? idk ~18.53.50
6451--------[8.060]
6452~risruc-habteb@ i belong to a couple of facebook auction groups -- the ~18.54.04
6453 only reason i use fb at all any more.
6454~palfun-foslup@ dutch people can usually get away with sharing payment ~18.54.09
6455 request URLs handled by whatever banking app they use
6456~risruc-habteb@ it would be excellent to support auction groups here. ~18.54.12
6457~risruc-habteb@ and it won't take much to provide a better experience ~18.54.38
6458 than the competition.
6459~risruc-habteb@ that's the type of feature/experience that can move ~18.55.21
6460 groups over by the thousands
6461--------[8.065]
6462~haddef-sigwen@ we almost certainly can't just do a big blanket ~18.56.14
6463 "urbit" dev key, we would need to automate a user
6464 registering their own api key
6465~haddef-sigwen@ and hook up their stripe to some bank account or ~18.56.23
6466 something
6467~haddef-sigwen@ there's no automated way to just 'charge a credit ~18.56.41
6468 card' ... like idk. apple pay if you're on safari. but
6469 that's the same sorta issue
6470~master-morzod@ i'm not sure if that urbit.us has anything to do with ~19.08.41
6471 us
6472~master-morzod@ nothing in their brochure suggests that it does ~19.08.49
6473--------[8.070]
6474~winter-paches@ hello? ~19.44.57
6475~risruc-habteb@ hallo ~19.45.22
6476~rocmus-monpem@ is there a way to share files via urbit? ~19.46.04
6477~bannum-magtus phases into the scene ~19.55.57
6478~bannum-magtus@ happy monday martians ~19.56.04
6479--------[8.075]
6480~winter-paches@ well, that was interesting. ~20.03.20
6481~winter-paches@ came back after a couple of days, lots of "crud: %hole ~20.05.33
6482 event failed" messages and totally locked up. ctrl-d
6483 didn't work, had to kill.
6484~winter-paches@ now getting boatloads of publish errors. ~20.06.06
6485~winter-paches@ "ames: strange wake queue, expected 47, got ~20.07.04
6486 [message-num=42 fragment-num=2]"
6487~winter-paches@ already reported? ~20.07.25
6488--------[8.080]
6489~winter-paches@ from landscape, though, things seem basically fine. ~20.19.21
6490 (though looks like all my articles in publish went
6491 back to unread, fwp)
6492~palfun-foslup@ the only mention of "strange wake queue" i can find is ~20.25.35
6493 here:
6494~palfun-foslup/_github.com ~20.25.36
6495~palfun-foslup@ might be worth posting details of your situation ~20.26.14
6496 there, to aid cause deduction
6497~palfun-foslup@ the freeze/hang you experienced is a known issue, crud ~20.26.41
6498 holes are somewhat "normal"
6499--------[8.085]
6500~winter-paches@ ok, cool. ~20.37.16
6501~hanryc-tirpur@ . ~21.37.18
6502~midlyx-hatrys@ "normal crud hole" would be a cool band name ~21.55.45
6503~palfun-foslup@ urbit's gonna have the best bands ~22.16.56
6504~minder-folden@ ~minder-folden And The Golden Hooners ~22.51.29
6505--------[8.090]
6506~somlus-savlev@ very nice.. Can I play the didgeridoo? ~23.01.14
6507~litmus-ritten@ Ok Hooner. ~23.06.22
6508~migtem_marzod@ What kind of music would that band play ~minder? ~23.07.39
6509~minder-folden@ Psychedelic trip hop + big band feel. ~23.08.31
6510~minder-folden@ ~somlus, you're in. ~23.08.39
6511--------[8.095]
6512~minder-folden@ Lead didgeridoo ~23.08.43
6513~litmus-ritten@ The Crooning Hooners feat. Imminent Breach. ~23.27.56
6514~minder-folden@ That's even better ~23.29.04
6515~somlus-savlev@ Ok great, thanks so much. Now, about those didgeridoo ~23.29.34
6516 lessons..
6517~migtem_marzod@ I'm expecting all the song names to be runes ~23.36.06
6518--------[8.100]
6519~somlus-savlev@ The lyrics will be runes. ~23.52.12
6520~somlus-savlev@ I have a non-didgeridoo question if anyone knows. I'm ~23.53.57
6521 on an intel laptop with 4 cores, running an Ubuntu VM
6522 using VMWare. Is there any reason I should not
6523 delegate 4 cores to the VM? I'm assuming a VM can
6524 share the cores, would that be correct to anyone's
6525 knowledge?
6526~litmus-ritten@ ~somlus: The only issue there is that if the VM is ~00.02.21
6527 allocated four cores, it means that the VM can
6528 saturate the CPU of the host.
6529~litmus-ritten@ Which may lead to a loss of responsiveness in the ~00.03.04
6530 host. Limiting to fewer than the total number of cores
6531 will permit some wiggle room when the VM is under high
6532 load.
6533~litmus-ritten@ Though that is probably already obvious. Apart from ~00.04.14
6534 that I can't think of any obvious problems.
6535--------[8.105]
6536~litmus-ritten@ Hardware virtualisation features may result in unusual ~00.09.01
6537 behaviour with respect to conventional parallel
6538 multithreading as managed by the host OS, however I
6539 don't know.
6540~litmus-ritten@ Also, is that a laptop with 4 physical cores, or two ~00.09.36
6541 cores with hyperthreading?
6542~litmus-ritten@ Because parallelism with hyperthreading does not scale ~00.11.27
6543 the way that physical cores do, and for certain
6544 workloads can actually harm performance.
6545~somlus-savlev@ For an intel i5 8250U I am reading 4 physical cores, ~00.12.08
6546 but will look further into it.
6547~litmus-ritten@ Yes, you are correct. 4 cores, 8 threads. ~00.13.23
6548--------[8.110]
6549~somlus-savlev@ thx for the info. In other news I have graduated to ~00.13.34
6550 full-on Tlon fanboy, as this arrived today (inspired
6551 by seeing them at basically every station during my
6552 tour on Friday, and also having some issues with
6553 ergonomics I hope this helps):
6554~somlus-savlev/_kinesis-ergo.com ~00.13.35
6555~somlus-savlev@ Cool ~litmus - I will expand the core usage and know ~00.14.14
6556 that the host might feel a little boggy from time to
6557 time. This is a VM setting I have never tweaked, so
6558 thanks for the info
6559~haddef-sigwen@ I resist the call of the strange space station ~00.18.32
6560 keyboard
6561~haddef-sigwen@ I pride myself on typing out entire transcripts of ~00.19.04
6562 meetings on a default Apple keyboard, it's like a
6563 counter-signal
6564--------[8.115]
6565~minder-folden@ Although that keyboard is mighty neat... ~00.20.10
6566beginning sync from %kids on ~dirdev to %base
6567sync succeeded from %kids on ~dirdev to %base
6568sync succeeded from %base on ~norbet-sommud to %home
6569[%vane %a /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.21.58..33e0/sys/vane/ames ~hilfus-tobtyp]
6570beginning sync from %kids on ~dirdev to %base
6571~palfun-foslup@ ~somlus kinesis is good, but i've heard it's not very ~00.22.01
6572 programmable
6573sync succeeded from %base on ~norbet-sommud to %kids
6574~palfun-foslup@ should've gotten a gergo ~00.22.05
6575~palfun-foslup/ https://twitter.com/urbit/status/1158545379136114688 ~00.22.06
6576; ~dev not responding still trying
6577~somlus-savlev@ I went with one with two sets of angled keys, and it ~00.22.20
6578 totally helped my hand discomfort. This is taking it
6579 to the next level. We'll see will report back. I
6580 have other issues with my hands / forearms from lots
6581 of repetitive use with work.
6582[%mailbox-kick i=%~.mailbox t=[i=~.~dopzod t=/urbit-help]]
6583%chat-hook-resubscribe
6584; ~dev is ok
6585--------[8.120]
6586~somlus-savlev@ Holy crap ~palfun that's amazing. ~00.22.35
6587~palfun-foslup@ fwiw going split keyboard/ortho with vertical mouse ~00.22.52
6588 fixed most of my carpal tunnel issues
6589sync succeeded from %kids on ~dirdev to %base
6590sync succeeded from %base on ~norbet-sommud to %home
6591~risruc-habteb, are you allowed to not rip your juul in the office? ~00.23.03
6592ames: czar ten.urbit.org: ip .104.196.239.18
6593~litmus-ritten@ I fear that if I were to use that keyboard it would be ~00.23.11
6594 a race between achieving fluency and having a
6595 full-blown panic attack. I would feel like an x-man
6596 who had lost their powers all of a sudden. Except my
6597 power would be the ability to type.
6598[ %thread-not-started
6599 ~[
6600 \/~.eth-watcher--0v1gd.rq8mn.hc2sm.tgovr.lt9rl.qgmpr.6fjui.3vktp.5r48a.qj7mo.aligi.6jakg.i6ksc.os6mj.ud97h.vkk1e.lgg1s.eke06.h55\/
6601 8k.01e6u.jc1n7
6602 \/ \/
6603 ]
6604]
6605eth-watcher failed; will retry
6606%cancelled
6607~somlus-savlev@ I scrolled down on your page palfun and saw the "how ~00.23.17
6608 to explain Hoon to someone else" gif. literal laugh
6609 out loud.
6610[%tang /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/zuse ~ramfeb-matrus]
6611[%vane %a /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/ames ~famhul-tamref]
6612[%vane %b /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/behn ~ridnet-tanryx]
6613[%vane %c /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/clay ~nattus-midned]
6614[%vane %d /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/dill ~hanrev-sidluc]
6615[%vane %e /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/eyre ~lactud-hactex]
6616[%vane %f /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/ford ~bindeg-torsed]
6617[%vane %g /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/gall ~hapsed-miprys]
6618[%vane %i /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/iris ~socmel-magwyn]
6619[%vane %j /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/jael ~sabfex-dinlyt]
6620crud: %onto event failed
6621 /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/ford
6622 <[4.828 18].[4.828 59]>
6623/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[33 1].[236 3]>
6624/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[34 1].[236 3]>
6625/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[35 1].[236 3]>
6626/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[36 1].[236 3]>
6627/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[37 1].[236 3]>
6628/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[181 3].[182 42]>
6629/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[181 26].[182 42]>
6630/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[182 3].[182 42]>
6631nest-fail
6632ford: %slim failed:
6633ford: %ride failed to compute type:
6634ford: %plan failed:
6635ford: %core on /~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon failed:
6636%plan failed:
6637ford: %core on /~norbet-sommud/home/0/app/hood/hoon failed:
6638\/spider got sign for non-existent ~.eth-watcher--0v1gd.rq8mn.hc2sm.tgovr.lt9rl.qgmpr.6fjui.3vktp.5r48a.qj7mo.aligi.6jakg.i6ksc.os6m\/
6639 j.ud97h.vkk1e.lgg1s.eke06.h558k.01e6u.jc1n7
6640\/ \/
6641beginning sync from %kids on ~dirdev to %base
6642[%mailbox-kick i=%~.mailbox t=[i=~.~dopzod t=/urbit-help]]
6643%chat-hook-resubscribe
6644crud: %onto event failed
6645 /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/ford
6646 <[4.828 18].[4.828 59]>
6647/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[33 1].[236 3]>
6648/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[34 1].[236 3]>
6649/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[35 1].[236 3]>
6650/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[36 1].[236 3]>
6651/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[37 1].[236 3]>
6652/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[181 3].[182 42]>
6653/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[181 26].[182 42]>
6654/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon::[182 3].[182 42]>
6655nest-fail
6656ford: %slim failed:
6657ford: %ride failed to compute type:
6658ford: %plan failed:
6659ford: %core on /~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/hood/helm/hoon failed:
6660%plan failed:
6661ford: %core on /~norbet-sommud/home/0/app/hood/hoon failed:
6662sync succeeded from %base on ~norbet-sommud to %kids
6663; ~dirdev not responding still trying
6664; ~dev not responding still trying
6665; ~nibfeb not responding still trying
6666ames: czar feb.urbit.org: ip .104.196.234.148
6667; ~ribreg-signel-hoslep-sicdut--nomsub-pocsef-sittus-marzod not responding still trying
6668; ~botter-nidnul not responding still trying
6669ames: czar pub.urbit.org: ip .35.230.48.78
6670; ~littel-ponnys not responding still trying
6671; ~rabsef-bicrym not responding still trying
6672; ~wicdev-wisryt not responding still trying
6673; ~rovnys-ricfer not responding still trying
6674; ~novlud-padtyv not responding still trying
6675; ~somlus-savlev not responding still trying
6676; ~nimpun-doller not responding still trying
6677; ~fasrup-sabwen-nismyl-siclyt--sibmev-ramfyl-tolleb-marzod not responding still trying
6678; ~ponrun not responding still trying
6679; ~fabled-faster not responding still trying
6680; ~rovnys-ricfer is ok
6681; ~norsyr-torryn not responding still trying
6682; ~hastuc-dibtux not responding still trying
6683ames: czar bus.urbit.org: ip .35.247.126.229
6684; ~novlud-padtyv is ok
6685; ~dirdev is ok
6686; ~rovnys-ricfer not responding still trying
6687; ~palfun-foslup not responding still trying
6688; ~risruc-habteb not responding still trying
6689; ~tacryt-socryp not responding still trying
6690; ~tomsyr-fadsut not responding still trying
6691; ~dopzod not responding still trying
6692ames: strange wake queue, expected 4, got [message-num=3 fragment-num=91]
6693; ~somlus-savlev is ok
6694; ~hastuc-dibtux is ok
6695eth-watcher failed; will retry
6696%build-thread-error
6697ford: %core on /~norbet-sommud/home/0/ted/eth-watcher/hoon failed:
6698%plan failed:
6699ford: %core on /~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/ethio/hoon failed:
6700ford: %plan failed:
6701ford: %ride failed to compute type:
6702ford: %slim failed:
6703nest-fail
6704/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/ethio/hoon::[231 5].[232 58]>
6705/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/ethio/hoon::[230 3].[234 54]>
6706/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/ethio/hoon::[229 3].[234 54]>
6707/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/ethio/hoon::[228 3].[234 54]>
6708/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/ethio/hoon::[227 3].[234 54]>
6709/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/ethio/hoon::[10 1].[235 3]>
6710/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/ethio/hoon::[7 1].[235 3]>
6711/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/ethio/hoon::[5 1].[235 3]>
6712/~norbet-sommud/home/0/lib/ethio/hoon::[4 1].[235 3]>
6713/~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.23.21..bf83/sys/vane/ford:<[4.828 18].[4.828 59]>
6714[%mailbox-kick i=%~.mailbox t=[i=~.~dopzod t=/urbit-help]]
6715%chat-hook-resubscribe
6716 out
6717{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6718 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6719 ]
6720 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6721 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6722 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.n path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6723}
6724subscribe wire not unique
6725%chat-hook
6726/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931
6727[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]
6728error in %chat-hook
6729%watch-not-unique
6730! subscribe wire not unique
6731! %chat-hook
6732! /backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931
6733! [p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]
6734; ~dopzod is ok
6735[%mailbox-kick i=%~.mailbox t=[i=~.~dopzod t=/urbit-help]]
6736%chat-hook-resubscribe
6737 out
6738{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6739 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6740 ]
6741 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6742 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6743 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.n path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6744}
6745subscribe wire not unique
6746%chat-hook
6747/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931
6748[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]
6749error in %chat-hook
6750%watch-not-unique
6751! subscribe wire not unique
6752! %chat-hook
6753! /backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931
6754! [p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]
6755%chat-hook: got ack for nonexistent subscription
6756[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]: /mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help
6757wire=[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~dopzod t=[i=~.chat-hook t=/mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help]]]
6758 out
6759{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6760 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6761 ]
6762 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6763 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6764 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.n path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6765}
6766; ~ponrun is ok
6767; ~fasrup-sabwen-nismyl-siclyt--sibmev-ramfyl-tolleb-marzod is ok
6768; ~tacryt-socryp is ok
6769; ~tomsyr-fadsut is ok
6770; ~rovnys-ricfer is ok
6771; ~wanted-moltus is ok
6772; ~palfun-foslup is ok
6773\/%permission-hook: received 2nd watch-ack on [[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~dopzod t=[i=~.permission-hook t=/permission/chat/~dopzod/urbit-help\/
6774 /write]]] [p=~dopzod q=%permission-hook] /permission/chat/~dopzod/urbit-help/write]
6775\/ \/
6776\/%permission-hook: received 2nd watch-ack on [[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~dopzod t=[i=~.permission-hook t=/permission/chat/~dopzod/urbit-help\/
6777 /read]]] [p=~dopzod q=%permission-hook] /permission/chat/~dopzod/urbit-help/read]
6778\/ \/
6779; ~risruc-habteb is ok
6780; ~dev is ok
6781; ~wicdev-wisryt is ok
6782; ~norsyr-torryn is ok
6783; ~botter-nidnul is ok
6784; ~rabsef-bicrym is ok
6785; ~nibfeb is ok
6786[%mailbox-kick i=%~.mailbox t=[i=~.~dopzod t=/urbit-help]]
6787%chat-hook-resubscribe
6788 out
6789{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6790 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6791 ]
6792 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6793 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6794 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.y path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6795}
6796subscribe wire not unique
6797%chat-hook
6798/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931
6799[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]
6800error in %chat-hook
6801%watch-not-unique
6802! subscribe wire not unique
6803! %chat-hook
6804! /backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931
6805! [p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]
6806[%mailbox-kick i=%~.mailbox t=[i=~.~dopzod t=/urbit-help]]
6807%chat-hook-resubscribe
6808 out
6809{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6810 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6811 ]
6812 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6813 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6814 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.y path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6815}
6816subscribe wire not unique
6817%chat-hook
6818/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931
6819[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]
6820error in %chat-hook
6821%watch-not-unique
6822! subscribe wire not unique
6823! %chat-hook
6824! /backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931
6825! [p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]
6826[%mailbox-kick i=%~.mailbox t=[i=~.~dopzod t=/urbit-help]]
6827%chat-hook-resubscribe
6828 out
6829{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6830 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6831 ]
6832 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6833 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6834 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.y path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6835}
6836subscribe wire not unique
6837%chat-hook
6838/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931
6839[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]
6840error in %chat-hook
6841%watch-not-unique
6842! subscribe wire not unique
6843! %chat-hook
6844! /backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931
6845! [p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]
6846%chat-hook: got ack for nonexistent subscription
6847[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]: /mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help
6848wire=[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~dopzod t=[i=~.chat-hook t=/mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help]]]
6849 out
6850{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6851 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6852 ]
6853 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6854 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6855 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.y path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6856}
6857%chat-hook: got ack for nonexistent subscription
6858[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]: /mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help
6859wire=[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~dopzod t=[i=~.chat-hook t=/mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help]]]
6860 out
6861{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6862 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6863 ]
6864 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6865 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6866 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.y path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6867}
6868--------[8.125]
6869~palfun-foslup@ it returns for a bit during winter months but i'm ~00.23.23
6870 generally good
6871~minder-folden@ ~palfun, I changed to a vertical trackball mouse. I ~00.24.00
6872 wonder if that's two steps forward, and one step back.
6873~palfun-foslup@ ~litmus i learned a new keyboard layout on a new ~00.24.11
6874 keyboard and switches over the course of a month. it's
6875 really not that bad, but might still only be worth if
6876 you have bad typing habits you need to correct
6877~litmus-ritten@ Speaking of which I was disappointed to find out that ~00.24.23
6878 someone else had already though of the name
6879 'Ergonomicon'.
6880~palfun-foslup@ vertical *and* trackball? that's wild ~00.24.32
6881--------[8.130]
6882~palfun-foslup dips out for the day ~00.25.09
6883~minder-folden/_www.logitech.com ~00.26.20
6884~haddef-sigwen@ the ergonomicon is just made out of a human skeleton ~00.26.29
6885~haddef-sigwen@ you read it and unleash comfort onto the earth ~00.26.44
6886\/%publish: received 2nd watch-ack on [[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~minder-folden t=[i=~.publish t=/collection/the-new-era]]] [p=~minder-folden\/
6887 q=%publish] /collection/the-new-era]
6888\/ \/
6889%chat-hook: got ack for nonexistent subscription
6890[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]: /mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help
6891wire=[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~dopzod t=[i=~.chat-hook t=/mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help]]]
6892 out
6893{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6894 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6895 ]
6896 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6897 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6898 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.y path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6899}
6900%chat-hook: got ack for nonexistent subscription
6901[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]: /mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help
6902wire=[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~dopzod t=[i=~.chat-hook t=/mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help]]]
6903 out
6904{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6905 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6906 ]
6907 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6908 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6909 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.y path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6910}
6911%chat-hook: got ack for nonexistent subscription
6912[p=~dopzod q=%chat-hook]: /mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help
6913wire=[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~dopzod t=[i=~.chat-hook t=/mailbox/~dopzod/urbit-help]]]
6914 out
6915{ [ p=[wire=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars ship=~norbet-sommud term=%chat-store]
6916 q=[acked=%.y path=/mailbox/~norbet-sommud/esoteric-tekwars]
6917 ]
6918 [p=[wire=/invites ship=~norbet-sommud term=%invite-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/invitatory/chat]]
6919 [p=[wire=/permissions ship=~norbet-sommud term=%permission-store] q=[acked=%.y path=/updates]]
6920 [p=[wire=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931 ship=~dopzod term=%chat-hook] q=[acked=%.y path=/backlog/~dopzod/urbit-help/7.931]]
6921}
6922\/%publish: received 2nd watch-ack on [[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~minder-folden t=[i=~.publish t=/collection/the-new-era]]] [p=~minder-folden\/
6923 q=%publish] /collection/the-new-era]
6924\/ \/
6925\/%publish: received 2nd watch-ack on [[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~minder-folden t=[i=~.publish t=/collection/the-new-era]]] [p=~minder-folden\/
6926 q=%publish] /collection/the-new-era]
6927\/ \/
6928\/%publish: received 2nd watch-ack on [[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~minder-folden t=[i=~.publish t=/collection/the-new-era]]] [p=~minder-folden\/
6929 q=%publish] /collection/the-new-era]
6930\/ \/
6931\/%publish: received 2nd watch-ack on [[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~minder-folden t=[i=~.publish t=/collection/the-new-era]]] [p=~minder-folden\/
6932 q=%publish] /collection/the-new-era]
6933\/ \/
6934\/%publish: received 2nd watch-ack on [[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~minder-folden t=[i=~.publish t=/collection/the-new-era]]] [p=~minder-folden\/
6935 q=%publish] /collection/the-new-era]
6936\/ \/
6937\/%publish: received 2nd watch-ack on [[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~minder-folden t=[i=~.publish t=/collection/the-new-era]]] [p=~minder-folden\/
6938 q=%publish] /collection/the-new-era]
6939\/ \/
6940\/%publish: received 2nd watch-ack on [[i=%~.out t=[i=~.~minder-folden t=[i=~.publish t=/collection/the-new-era]]] [p=~minder-folden\/
6941 q=%publish] /collection/the-new-era]
6942\/ \/
6943; ~fabled-faster is ok
6944sync succeeded from %kids on ~dirdev to %base
6945sync succeeded from %base on ~norbet-sommud to %home
6946[%tang /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.28.38..0fa3/sys/zuse ~winleg-witbyl]
6947[%vane %a /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.28.38..0fa3/sys/vane/ames ~famhul-tamref]
6948[%vane %b /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.28.38..0fa3/sys/vane/behn ~ridnet-tanryx]
6949[%vane %c /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.28.38..0fa3/sys/vane/clay ~nattus-midned]
6950[%vane %d /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.28.38..0fa3/sys/vane/dill ~hanrev-sidluc]
6951[%vane %e /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.28.38..0fa3/sys/vane/eyre ~lactud-hactex]
6952[%vane %f /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.28.38..0fa3/sys/vane/ford ~bindeg-torsed]
6953[%vane %g /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.28.38..0fa3/sys/vane/gall ~hapsed-miprys]
6954[%vane %i /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.28.38..0fa3/sys/vane/iris ~socmel-magwyn]
6955[%vane %j /~norbet-sommud/home/~2019.12.16..00.28.38..0fa3/sys/vane/jael ~sabfex-dinlyt]
6956activated app home/goad
6957[unlinked from [p=~norbet-sommud q=%goad]]
6958goad: recompiling all apps
6959sync succeeded from %base on ~norbet-sommud to %kids
6960~hastuc-dibtux@ morning u-h ~00.28.50
6961; ~dirdev not responding still trying
6962; ~nibfeb not responding still trying
6963; ~dev not responding still trying
6964; ~botter-nidnul not responding still trying
6965; ~fabled-faster not responding still trying
6966; ~wanted-moltus not responding still trying
6967; ~dev is ok
6968; ~dirdev is ok
6969; ~somlus-savlev not responding still trying
6970; ~rovnys-ricfer not responding still trying
6971; ~palfun-foslup not responding still trying
6972; ~fabled-faster is ok
6973; ~dirdev not responding still trying
6974; ~dev not responding still trying
6975; ~nibfeb is ok
6976; ~somlus-savlev is ok
6977; ~rovnys-ricfer is ok
6978; ~palfun-foslup is ok
6979; ~botter-nidnul is ok
6980; ~nibfeb not responding still trying
6981; ~norsyr-torryn not responding still trying
6982; ~hastuc-dibtux not responding still trying
6983; ~ravmel-ropdyl not responding still trying
6984; ~wicdev-wisryt not responding still trying
6985; ~wicdev-wisryt is ok
6986; ~norsyr-torryn is ok
6987; ~dirdev is ok
6988; ~hastuc-dibtux is ok
6989; ~ravmel-ropdyl is ok
6990; ~nibfeb is ok
6991; ~dev is ok
6992--------[8.135]
6993~risruc-habteb@ morning hastuc ~00.30.29
6994ping: strange state [~dev ~ u=[rift=0 ship-state=[%waiting until=~2019.12.16..00.34.48..2416]]]
6995ping: strange state [~dirdev ~ u=[rift=3 ship-state=[%waiting until=~2019.12.16..00.34.48..2912]]]
6996> +code