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6Beta is the guy who just goes to school and does his homework etc.- the good boy who spectates on the sigmas and alphas. The beta secretly wishes he were either one.
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10Instead of trying to be the Alpha leader of society, might it not be better to just embrace the more mysterious Sigma/solo side?
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12Personally, I've always felt a greater affinity for the outsider. I think my heart is more the loner's. So far, I've done my best best rolling solo.
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20 a real “Sigma” would be introverted guy who doesn’t want to lead but resists those who try to lead him. Typical “Lone wolf” in pack animal terms. Leaves the pack because it get’s fed up with the politics of the pack. Mates with the females of other packs while the alpha/betas are fighting over it. Takes over the pack when necessary, otherwise doesn’t care. follows the pack when it’s wiser than going alone due to food shortages but leaves again when it get’s fed up with the pack politics again.
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24 The reason why there is so much PUA butthurt around these comments is not because there are some gammas/betas who think they are sigmas, but because alphas/betas just take exception to the idea of sigmas.
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26Why? Because sigmas don’t give 2 shits about social hierarchies, group approval, etc. It’s just instinctive (in genuine sigmas). They still want and can get poon, can attract women etc – but they don’t go in for social rituals. The other thing is the resistance to being led or leading – they just don’t go into it. This is fundamental to sigmas. just zero urge to lead, but extremely strong reaction to being led. Willingness to be led is virtually what defines betas and omegas, which is why you find so many betas and omegas looking for leadership on PUA sites.
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28 As a sigma I have encountered this IRL. I have had serious confrontations with alphas who just couldn’t handle the fact that I wouldn’t play their games. At first they were annoyed, then suspicious, and eventually hostile. Some of these guys eventually became friends and allies. One told me that what he hated about me was that I didn’t make sense to him – he couldn’t read my motives at all.
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32 I think it’s much more useful to classify behaviors, or patterns of behaviors, than people. People are all over the place.
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36 Like autism, most of what we are is on a spectrum so while being a little bit Alpha (and increasing), mostly sigma, I’ve got at least 25% Beta and I’m trying to eliminate that. Avoid the tendency to simplify yourself – you’re probably a lot of things. Just like one might be a ‘great’ athlete, you might have a body that looks like shit but maybe you move with the coordination and grace of a pro baller when your’e at speed – you may lack strength and endurance but you can work on and develop those – they might not shine as brightly as what you’ve been gifted (or they might) but they can be highly developed. So it is with personalites – at least that’s the analogy I just made up as I typed this.
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40 It’s harder to find alpha movie characters because sigma is waaaaaay cooler. Whereas an alpha goes into a social situation expecting to dominate it, like an irresistable force, the sigma resists being drawn into any situations, like an immovable object. He is transient and self-absorbed.
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42Lately I’ve been thinking sigma and alpha are really just the introversion and extraversion ends of the same spectrum. The sigma mostly wants to be left alone to forge his own path and is troubled by society’s constant attempted to draw him back in, imposing restrictions and demands on his time and freedom. The alpha actively engages in society to create or subvert these restrictions for his own gratification. Considered another way, the sigma is channelling Warrior energy and the alpha is channelling King energy.
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48 When a sigma learns of Game, they don’t go through any “phases” or may pass through them quickly. They will compare what they read & hear to their direct experience of reality and quickly accept much of it as truth.
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50But sigmas will eventually reject the tenet of Game that pussy rules the universe. This is not hamstering or snowflaking on the sigma’s part but again comes from direct experience that pussy is not the center of their universe. Sigmas are used to being told by people who ought to keep their mouth shut how the world really is. A sigma fully trusts himself as the ultimate source of truth in his universe and requires no outward validation of that truth.
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52Alphas need pussy to be the fullest expressions of themselves. They may want and lust after knowledge but can live without it. Sigmas need knowledge to be the fullest expression of themselves. They may want and lust after pussy but can live without it.
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54A public-facing sigma is going to present a crafted persona to the world and only does so to achieve his ends. An alpha presents his whole self to the world uncensored and with a big shit-eating grin.
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56Like an alpha, a sigma generally won’t be found bitching about women & hypergamy & the collapse of society & all the other wankery betas love to jerk to. Have fun going down that rabbit hole but you’re not going to come back up with anything a sigma would value with the exception that a sigma might explore, catalog & use those fears towards their ends.
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58Until I found the sigma concept, I had trouble understanding why the alpha-centric focus of Game struck me as somehow lacking and inauthentic to who I am. Recently a voice I perceive as both a source of wisdom and a kindred mind mentioned that he was sigma. From reading several lines of his description of a sigma my understanding of my place in the universe instantly became clearer. From his brief description I was able to intuit many qualities of the sigma that Googling verified to be dead-on.
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60For example this heuristic helped explain to me why behind closed doors alphas who trust me will seek counsel from me, divulge their deepest fears, even submit to my will once they see how it benefit’s them. Yes they still publicly shit-test me. It helps relieve some of the ongoing tension arising from the fact that I am smarter and the alpha knows it. Alphas are used to ruling everything but really they only rule the material world. Sigmas rule the mind.
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62It also helped explain why even as an undeveloped outwardly-beta schlub, the wives and girlfriends of alphas would turn their attention to me anytime the alpha wasn’t around. Most women ultimately prefer alphas, let’s be clear, but the sigma can give what the orbiting friend-zoned beta tries to give without the sycophancy & neediness that poisons the beta’s efforts. We are more naturally talented at mentally fucking women because we can listen to them without tripping their sensor that we are only doing so to physically fuck them.
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64Perhaps sigma/alpha are two sides of the same coin or forks from the same road. Maybe an alpha would do well to emulate the sigma and vice versa to achieve true mastery of their reality. Failing that I think sigma/alpha partnerships are the most powerful forces in society, so it behooves wise alphas/sigmas to seek out and enlist each other for their mutual benefit.
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70So if we start overcomplicating things by introducing this sigma character, what do we stand to learn from it? I feel like this would be the beginning of the building of an ivory tower where game is killed in the name of academic categories.
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75 The reason I'm bringing it up is that I think that Sigma is probably more relevant to guys who have "taken the red pill."
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77Almost everything we talk about here is about recognizing the "pretty lies" that hold us back, and figuring out ways to overcome them.
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83 When there is a war, the betas are the grunts, and the alphas are the officers. The sigmas avoid the draft and go to a neutral country where they drink booze and make money in the black market. Probably cuckolding the alphas in the process.
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85In some discussions, people have said that a lot of us in the manosphere are actually omegas (losers) who want to be seen as the cool outsider because we fail at being alphas. While there might be an element of truth in this for some people, I think the sigma archetype is genuine and some of us are wired that way. If you're doing what you want, independent in your work life, and getting laid, you're not omega.
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90After learning game, and reading about social dinamics/status wars i decided i wasnt going to play that game. Once you understand why your "friend" is trying to amog you in front of the whole group or why the prettiest girl is looking down on you because you dont have enough "social proof" it just becomes stupid, i personally sometimes see this people like poor animals that dont understand their primal instincts so they live their lives trying to rationalize their shitty actions in behave of the almighty status.
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96Peoples personalities change according to the situation, as do their physical phenotypes.
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116None of this is set in stone. We are all evolving everyday. We can study and practice game to go from beta to alpha. We can learn new skills, increase our income, change our look and then go from beta to alpha. We are not animals who are stuck in their pecking order. We don't have to fight for access to females (though we often do). We can simply change our situation and easily change our status.
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118Don't put yourself in a box. Don't limit yourself. If you consider yourself beta, it will likely become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Strive to improve and max out your situation. If you can't get anything else out of your current situation, consider moving or changing fishbowls.
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122Throughout my life, I have played all of these roles. I have always been sigma and luckily for me I had many years of alpha, I can't say I was ever really beta but some years were definitely better then others. I would never consider myself beta because that is just bad personal psychology. Its more productive to be positive with yourself and love yourself at all times.
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124Don't ever consider yourself beta, instead just say I need to change my situation. Some guys are born into good situations and some guys are born into bad situations. Don't let that define you. Learn, grow, work, evolve, change.
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126If worst comes to worst, you can always move to the Philippines and become an alpha. It can be a simple as that.
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136 Nomadic introverts who are successful with women would be sigma, then. Acquiring a reputation and high social status is a hell of a lot of work. If you don't spent too much time in the same city, why bother acquiring status if you can't use it when you move to the next city? Local status is not a liquid asset, you can't trade it for money, you can't even trade it for high status in a new city. When you move, you start from zero.
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140 Sigma: The outsider who doesn’t play the social game and manage to win at it anyhow. The sigma is hated by alphas because sigmas are the only men who don’t accept or at least acknowledge, however grudgingly, their social dominance. (NB: Alphas absolutely hate to be laughed at and a sigma can often enrage an alpha by doing nothing more than smiling at him.) Everyone else is vaguely confused by them. In a social situation, the sigma is the man who stops in briefly to say hello to a few friends accompanied by a Tier 1 girl that no one has ever seen before. Sigmas like women, but tend to be contemptuous of them. They are usually considered to be strange. Gammas often like to think they are sigmas, failing to understand that sigmas are not social rejects, they are at the top of the social hierarchy despite their refusal to play by its rules.
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147 So the Renegade Alpha, or Sigma Male in Vox’s terminology, excels at exploiting cratering cultures and the tender, psychologically scarred minds that inhabit them. Societal collapse is his serendipity. The cri de coeur of broken souls his symphony.
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149When the actual collapse comes, delivering real pain to the old order and its pathetic servants, the Renegade Alpha will retreat from the scene, his services no longer needed by sufficient numbers to warrant his active, daily participation in the hunt. Post-collapse, the weepy, suddenly straight-thinking women will crave the firm footing of authorial alpha males and predictable beta males. The female desire for romantic excitement will be quenched by the real excitement of destitution, decay and doom.
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151Oh, he’ll always have a place at the pussy table. When the Leader of Men alpha males rule, the Renegade Alpha finds niches within which he can profitably work his magic, posing as the “outsider” who provides subversive entertainment in times of mundane prosperity and social comity. But under those conditions his numbers are necessarily inhibited by the checks and balances that are naturally emergent in a strong, high trust culture that believes in itself.
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157Alternatively (and read carefully) he knows that when he plays that game he will lose. So he is just doing what’s optimal for him. You beta in alpha clothing will hurl forth an existentialist scream and complain and cry that he isn’t playing your game, or he is a loser for not ‘knuckling down and acquiring alpha’, or that he shouldn’t have the temerity to get laid just because it doesn’t fit your pre-conceived notion of game via social proof.
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169He’s just going to strip everything down into isolation, getting your hamster going, having sex with you, and then seeing if HE wants an LTR with you.
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171The sigma is actually more masculine than the alpha because he isn’t playing by women’s rules so much.
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201But even just that sentiment, in and of itself, is totally Alpha.
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210Socio economic hierarchy is dependent upon a million factors which vary from culture to culture and person to person. The state of mind of the person in question is just one such factor.
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212Is a loser who says “i don’t give a fuck Im whatever I say I am” “Alpha” because he said something or believes something that is deemed ‘Alpha’? While bedding land whales , combing his neck beard, ignored by every girl he fantasizes about? Absolutely not. This loser would never get the girl of his dreams. She would be too busy shifting her gaze so as to never meet his before she could get to know this Apparently Alpha fellow."
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