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3roguephenon
4yo!
5planetarydecom
6yo x2!
7how's it goin
8roguephenon
9it's goin good, you?
10planetarydecom
11good! I have the day off so naturally I'm spending it geeking on KND stuff since it's my current fandom of choice
12roguephenon
13i get that and same here. also I just wanted to say I've read your CoYs and I LOVE it!
14planetarydecom
15!!!!!!
16roguephenon
17i'm just sorry for not leaving an actual review cause I've been hella tired lately and i don't like leaving half-assed reviews y'know?
18planetarydecom
19thank you so much oh my gosh that's really flattering to hear
20don't worry about reviewing I've only been reviewing like every once in a while and I usually…review stories I like rather than ones I really love
21roguephenon
22no problem, it's really great and how you write everything from the general prose and characters is sooo amazing, I love reading it
23planetarydecom
24because lol what else can I write but "THIS IS GREAT KEEP ON"
25roguephenon
26haha yeah I get that
27planetarydecom
28Σ(ノ°▽°)ノ that is like the nicest thing I've heard omg
29I'm glad you enjoy it, it's been a trip
30planetarydecom
31(sorry you've been hella tired I was there for like a really long time it still happens)
32roguephenon
33well it's been a fun trip to be on and I look forward to future updates :D
34and thanks. been going through some rough jazz, but I'm still kicking so yeah haha
35planetarydecom
36Thanks! I've got like 2-4 ideas for what file happens next
37And I hear ya, best of wishes on it
38roguephenon
39thanks, and that's good about having ideas. those are fun to have.
40sometimes i feel like i have too many tho lol
41planetarydecom
42same tho!?
43roguephenon
44what are some you have in mind? (or any topic you feel like talking about in general)
45planetarydecom
46there's so much
47planetarydecom
48I was about to ask you the same thing haha. Right now I'm all Moonbase all the time + various minor characters
49I need to write a few files with Numbuh 1 or at least characters talking about him to set up some future stuff but he's so hard to focus on compared to the side characters
50roguephenon
51ah I feel the same way right now. the minor characters are so great. I also understand about Nigel, he's real tricky to "get" sometimes.
52planetarydecom
53I want to write about all the g:KND characters EXCEPT him it's so silly
54roguephenon
55tho i generally like writing sector V cause they're fun and provide great gateway into the minor charatcers themselves
56planetarydecom
57I'm so Sector V'd out, I don't know how it happened
58there's like a part of my brain that insists I focus on the characters that get sidelined just because there's more to flesh out
59but I'll probably get started on the setup for post-series files next update, since the one I'm working on now is Chad and Numbuh 12
60roguephenon
61ahhh I'm excited. I love stuff about Numbuh 12. Anything, really.
62planetarydecom
63I love Sector V and I can write them in stories and stuff when they appear, they're just never my first impulse
64planetarydecom
65you might be the first I've met who agrees (*~â–½~)
66*on numbuh 12
67roguephenon
68really? I thought people liked talking about her
69or maybe they do, just not in the way I think lol
70roguephenon
71but like, she's super interesting.  yeah, it sucked how she betrayed them and all that, but that opens up a lot of talk and discussion and exploration into what makes her tick
72roguephenon
73especially her whole "why not sooner" approach to it all
74planetarydecom
75Possibly an unreliable source but the one person who mentioned her said she was universally reviled. I mean, I take that with a grain of salt but I haven't met a lot of ppl :')
76and yeah I love characters like that. and I write her in CYoS based on headcanon stuff that's rather different from what all we get in SLUMBER but either way, just the glimpse we get of her is great.
77I have her as a g:KND operative gone traitor since the website lists her differently from the other "fugitives"
78roguephenon
79same here actually. I mean, I know people here on tumblr and in the fandom, but I'm horrible at interacting with it. if there are characters universally revlied, id be the last to know
80roguephenon
81and yeah that's really interesting. like, in trying to define the difference between fugitive and traitor. or at least, why she got that disctinction
82planetarydecom
83I'm in the 'adores numbuh 65.3 / 363 / lizzie / pretty much everyone tbh' boat so. I can't revile too much
84roguephenon
85same here
86planetarydecom
87It was a thought I had so I ran with it. Also because Guy Moore made a comment on Warburtonlabs how the number 12 was an extremely important number in KND mythos so it seemed a waste to not do anything else with THAT character
88I thought if 12 was important, then Numbuh 12 ought to be important. so she has a bigger role in much the same vein among the g:KND (old enough to be in a tough spot, meek, and underestimated)
89roguephenon
9012 being the last year of "kid" maybe? at least as far as the KND sees it probably
91roguephenon
92there's probably a lot more reverence around the number/age 12 than what's explictly stated. I'd like to think so anyway
93planetarydecom
94"We went around and around on whether the system should be Base 10 or Base 12. (Mr. Warburton started bleeding from his nose, and possibly his eyes, 
95after the third hour of listening to me rant about it.) We knew the fans were smart, and would be doing everything in their power to crack whatever we put in front of them, and I thought using Base 12 instead of Base 10 would slow them down a little."
96"There was also the important fact that the number 12 was intensely significant to the Kids Next Door mythology, because 13 marked the advent of Teen status and Decommissioning."
97so that was interesting and kind of a glimpse of something never outright stated that I think is pretty important
98roguephenon
99yes! that!
100planetarydecom
101well good news, Numbuh D-20 himself wrote that so it's effectively canon
102(bless you warburtonlabs)
103http://warburtonlabs.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-gknd-experiment-part-4.html
104roguephenon
105all the blessings
106planetarydecom
107so with that in mind I decided numbuh 12 was going to be a traitor both to earth KND and g:KND because, well, she's numbuh 12
108planetarydecom
109and she thinks she can save her own planet and future Earth's KND using a bargaining chip that requires basically chancing the current KND get destroyed like Father wants
110because, well, a lot of people are gonna get destroyed either way. why not on Earth instead of home?
111roguephenon
112I really like that concept. It's like, her trying to rig the system because she's from a position to do so where she might actually net favorable results.
113dealing with the hand she was dealt and such
114planetarydecom
115Yeah
116She knows what happens when operatives from Class G planets turn 13
117(i.e., The Trial)
118she'd really like to have something to fight back with when it's her turn
119besides she'd be doing Earth a favor, destroying the KND is better than a whole planet! there's always the chance for an Eighth Age
120and that'll hold off the g:KND while they put their plans for one planetary operative on hold
121roguephenon
122yeah, and that totally makes sense depending on how long Eras and stuff in the KND last. at this point, she could just see it as necessary
123planetarydecom
124My headcanon is time isn't sensitive for g:KND operatives that don't age the way it is for aging operatives, and she's counting on that
125roguephenon
126i have a vague theory that's how it goes anyway. like, an Era is ended by some sort of big event or tradgey, and a new one is started when kids find hope again
127planetarydecom
128they already had Earth scoped out (I'm assuming) for however long it took between the KND beginning and their reaching out to Numbuh 274
129planetarydecom
130yeah, same!
131and I'm wondering if the g:KND didn't intentionally pull out last time when Grandfather took over and the KND was destroyed
132roguephenon
133I think it would make snese. Like, a massively bad adult took over, so they booked a full retreat and left Earth on its own
134roguephenon
135it's really confusing actually? I mean in terms of how that all works. there's so many unknowns about the g:KND that I'm hesitant to go speculate too much about it and their past involvement on Earth (if any at all)
136planetarydecom
137I can see them doing that.
138I like speculating so long as I keep it in line with what little we do know, if only because there's just just just enough to build straw houses to play around in
139and taking every scrap of production material and analyzing it 100 times over
140I'm…like that
141So I know any of these ideas could be nulled at any time but I'm prepared for that, it's better than twiddling my thumbs and wishing g:KND could happen :(
142roguephenon
143nah I get that! that's exactly how I feel about it.
144roguephenon
145I guess I just try and be extra prepared for it all to get voided out? lol
146planetarydecom
147lol I am prepared, if that happens I'll just stop CYoS dead and start over
148I mean that's not a happy prospect but since we're getting new g:KND at the rate of roughly one new piece of information per year, it doesn't feel pressing
149roguephenon
150yeah, I get that too. I was actually working on something really heavy g:KND related but then he revealed Numbuh 9L and I was like "SCRAP IT BACK TO THE TOP"
151planetarydecom
152NUMBUH 9L WHAT A GOOD KITTY
153roguephenon
154but I wasn't frustrated? I mainly did it because I thought Numbuh 9L was really cool and it felt like such a shame not to include her in the project?
155EXACTLY
156planetarydecom
157my current mystery obsession is figuring out who the last silhouette is on the gKND website
158http://kndfanforum.freeforums.net/thread/1130/silhouettes-rainbowmonkeys-site-who-last
159if I had THAT piece of information I feel like I could write a g:KND solid timeline to work with full-stop. just curious, are you still kicking around any of those ideas you had? or what were a few of 'em?
160roguephenon
161same about the last figure, and ideas that were g:KND related or anything in general?
162planetarydecom
163anything, really
164I'm here to canonjam
165roguephenon
166well as far g:KND, there's a looot of undeveloped stuff, but one thing I just thought of and still use cause I think it's hilarious is that its leadership refers to themselves as "The Important Ones"
167because of course alien kids with their big, you-can't-know-this-yet secrets would call themselves that
168it's more a personal concept lol
169roguephenon
170and there are a lot of other ideas that are more or less just concepts for pontential fics.
171planetarydecom
172no I was telling someone the other day like, you know what the g:KND actually is
173it's 14 billion Chads.
174that's it. that them
175roguephenon
17614 billion Chads
177i'm totally behind this
178planetarydecom
179which is a terrifying prospect but at the same time
180how well would 14 billion Chads work together
181cohesively
182as a team
183of everyone used to being the very best
184roguephenon
185"I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was. Oh wait, I already am."
186planetarydecom
187I don't think teamwork / loyalty / friendship is the g:KND's strong suit
188which gives Earth one advantage in the planetary decom, at least
189roguephenon
190definitely
191planetarydecom
192even Chad is scared of how Chad these guys are
193roguephenon
194as for others things, like I said, they're mostly just concepts for possible fics. the DC going to Steve to learn to be "cool". finding holy apples to ward off bad doctors. don't let go of your balloon or you lose your soul, those kinds of things
195planetarydecom
196oh my god hold up DC going to Steve to learn to be "cool" hold the phone
197that is the best
198thing
199i've
200ever
201read
202YOU HAVE JUST DESCRIBED MY FAVORITE STORY THAT HASN'T BEEN WRITTEN YET
203roguephenon
204haha I'm trying to get it off the ground actually
205planetarydecom
206well I'll be so happy if you end up writing it
207I love DCFDTL fic they're probably my favorite characters
208roguephenon
209they're really complex and interesting, i really love them and writing for them.
210planetarydecom
211same! I have ideas for them but none solid enough to start something, or else I would
212roguephenon
213one bit I really want to write for that fic tho is some rant the DC go on about getting tried of every variation of "dork" sector v has ever called them
214planetarydecom
215and have been called in turn
216I have a list of them that I update sometimes when I review eps haha
217"Delightful Deviants" is my favorite, "K-N-Doofuses" is last place
218roguephenon
219those are so great haha. i love that about them
220planetarydecom
221have you read the KND vs DCFDTL minis? they sound like something you'd really enjoy
222just goofy shenanigans in one-page comics
223roguephenon
224I have and THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FINDING THOSE COMICS
225planetarydecom
226hjaflkds omg you're welcome I didn't think anybody knew it was me who posted that
227I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO READ THEM I'M SO HAPPY THEY ARE
228(because I consider the comic stories canon and it's easier to use material from them if everyone else does too, dammit)
229roguephenon
230ah man, same. reading those is like watching lost episodes
231planetarydecom
232right?
233it was like suddenly having a new season to watch after ten years
234roguephenon
235I mean, everyone knows about the more well known ones like Toiletnator's backstory, but these bring in so much more canon goodness
236planetarydecom
237also fun things to make icons with, but my mouse is broken so I can't crop properly
238yes!! ppl need to read about stuff like Mushi and Sandy's final revenge scheme
239and the tricycle backstory
240basically like half the issues are Mr. Warburton finally having a place to put all the Numbuh 2 standalone stories he couldn't get greenlighted for episodes lol
241roguephenon
242funny enough, those were I managed to find a few years ago. I actually use BOUNCE as a reference for how old sector V is and try to gauge youngest from oldest
243at least when I care about actual ages. the timeline is so weird that I try to be more lax about it lol.
244planetarydecom
245BOUNCE is great, I'm almost positive it takes place post-canon so we know what Sector V is up to
246i'm running in circles trying to pin down the ages, the best I can do is place WHITEHOUSE around the start of Season 2 since Mr. W already said that Nigel's birthday episode was chronologically before Kuki's and threw the season structure out the window
247but at the very least Mushi and Sandy go from kindergarten to first grade by the time Numbuh 2 is twelve, so maybe he finally was allowed to enter fifth grade
248(or not, since I suspect that may be a side effect of electing a Fourth Grade President for Life--it's FOR LIFE)
249roguephenon
250I used to base the timeline around the CAKED episodes and assumed a year had past by SIX
251planetarydecom
252Same, but I think they have additional birthdays we don't see and they might not even be in order
253roguephenon
254Like, Nigel's birthday was before Kuki's, but the time was structured differently
255planetarydecom
256yeah
257roguephenon
258yeah, the comics can definitely attest to that.
259at this point, I try to categorize things that happened before ZERO and after ZERO
260planetarydecom
261the only thing throwing a wrench in it really is Numbuh 1 being 10 years old in WHITEHOUSE
262roguephenon
263cause trying to figure a solid timeline for this show is FRUSTRATINGLY HARD
264exactly
265planetarydecom
266I may make a list of episodes that definitely take place in relation to one another, at least, and ones that are during a specific time of year
267planetarydecom
268because like six episodes happen between the first snowfall and Cree's prom I CALL BS
269roguephenon
270what really gets me is in END Chad goes all like "I'VE BEEN RUNNING THIS SHOW FOR FIVE YEARS!"
271planetarydecom
272LOL you know what I headcanonned to make up for that
2731. he's a liar, because we saw you three years ago NUMBUH 100 WAS THERE
274roguephenon
275do tell!
276haha exactly
277planetarydecom
2782. he had a lot of different positions in the KND, like, a LOT
279head of Med Team, Drill Sergeant Supreme, Global Officer, diplomat, everything
280roguephenon
281there's actually a headcanon I recently came up with someone as a joke but I totally am going to use seriously from now on
282planetarydecom
283because the KND of that time was short on people to competently fill positions and he was capable of doing everything
284planetarydecom
285i.e., running the show
286over the years of course, but he did do everything at some point
287and do tell yourself!
288roguephenon
289my headcanon is that Numbuh 100 was supreme leader for a good bit and Chad worked under him a lot (probably as Global Tactical Officier at one point)
2905 years from the day Chad flipped, he and 100 were at a soda bar and 100 "tagged" him as a joke between friends.
291and Chad thought he was 100% serious
292planetarydecom
293…oh my god
294roguephenon
295and thought that 100 always stuck around to "show him the ropes"
296planetarydecom
297sCREAMS
298that's amazing, I love that headcanon too
299planetarydecom
300it's so Chad
301roguephenon
302and he was ALWAYS around 100 so when someone addressed 100 as Supreme Leader, Chad assumed they were talking to him.
303planetarydecom
304I need an excuse to write him soda-runk at some point in CYoS
305roguephenon
306100 just always assumed Chad was trying to help ease his workload so no one was ever in a position to correct Chad
307i would love to see that
308planetarydecom
309that's amazingly in character
310on that note I also have them as being very close during 100's tenure!! Because my headcanon is Numbuh 100 was actually just a normal joe operative who went from grunt to Supreme Leader in one day when he lost at tag and basically had to flounder his way to the role
311and he did rise to the occasion spectacularly to everyone's suprise but he went to Chad and Cree and other elite operatives for advisement
312thereby inflating Chad's 10-year-old ego by 1000%
313roguephenon
314I have similar headcanon too! Like, him kind of just ending up in the role, but rising to the occasion.
315planetarydecom
316it feels fitting, considering the other Supreme Leaders we saw would be exceptions to the rule we're given and it'd be weird to have three in a row
317roguephenon
318A lot of it though ties into probably overly complicated stuff I want to make into fic one day.
319planetarydecom
320I really hope you do, I was planning to incorporate my ideas into mine at some point and I'd love to read your angle on that
321(I'm very into flashbacks I have to restrain myself from making every file just Global Command Babies)
322roguephenon
323it has a lot to do with him and sector Z, and probably an eventual "dealing" with that story.
324planetarydecom
325I would read the hell outta that
326roguephenon
327haha, I understand. flashbacks are super fun tho
328planetarydecom
329I love Chad and DCFDTL
330I have at least two files outlined that basically come down to "Adventures in Chad Babysitting" and one of them is DCFDTL
331And I also have him old enough to remember Sector Z, just barely
332roguephenon
333I would read that in a heartbeat, you have no idea
334planetarydecom
335basically Father needs a babysitter to watch his seven-year-olds because it's apparently 'illegal' and 'bad parenting' to leave them alone
336they had a governess, but oddly DCFDTL lost her
337(and no one will ever, ever find her)
338so they go through a string of babysitters who vow never to return and Chad's the latest victim.
339roguephenon
340"She's lost. Forever."
341planetarydecom
342THEY ARE GROWN-UP ENOUGH TO WATCH THEMSELVES THANK YOU THEY DO NOT REQUIRE A BABYSITTER, WHICH IMPLIES THEY ARE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE BABIES
343roguephenon
344but that is soooo them tho :D
345planetarydecom
346I love writing DCFDTL as themselves, I'd honestly be disappointed to see them permanently recommissioned
347roguephenon
348Same here. I think they work much better as they are
349planetarydecom
350…Though that said, the only story idea I have rn that can't be filed into CYoS has them as the main characters. But it's still comedy, because they need shenanigans
351Basically, they get restored but since they're all runaways in the first place they don't have a place to go right away. And Father has a moment of petulance about having to live in his big empty mansion alone so he blurts out an offer that they can stay
352And they do. And they make his life domcom hell
353roguephenon
354I actually think that how goes down as well, honestly.
355planetarydecom
356I mean, there's so much room for angst, but…………
357but what if they just stayed in Father's mansion and ate his food
358built a hideous treehouse coming out of the roof
359roguephenon
360Saaaaame.
361planetarydecom
362hogged the remote
363it'd be so good
364planetarydecom
365mutual headcanon accepted. (except for CYoS because I need DCFDTL as themselves for g:KND era stuff)
366but that's the kind of Sector Z fic the world needs tbh
367roguephenon
368i get'chu
369roguephenon
370i honestly can't fully commit to the idea of them being actually kidnapped and them having families who are forever wondering what happened to them
371planetarydecom
372Right? It's too much
373roguephenon
374just from the prespective that seems a bit MUCH-exactly
375planetarydecom
376right????
377Actually another headcanon I was discussing the other day with someone, I think that's probably not uncommon in the KND if you really think about it
378even some of the side characters I write as runaways and it's not a huge thing
379roguephenon
380I don't think it is either, considering the world they live in
381planetarydecom
382yup! If five-year-olds can go to space and it's nbd then surely some of those Moonbase and Arctic Base operatives just live there because, well, that's home
383(The KND has a huge stash of these sweaters / pants / boots that they just kind of hand out as needed: http://planetarydecom.tumblr.com/post/152333076661/welcome-to-moonbase-here-is-your-sweater)
384roguephenon
385SO MANY SWEATERS
386planetarydecom
387it's wonderful I've actually combed through and matched all the designs so I know who all the background characters are both in and out of uniform)
388the decom squad is the same six kids repeated into an oblivion and I would do anything to know their names
389roguephenon
390Same here
391ahhh that's always so frustrating. putting a name to a background character
392or a chracter that's only been referred to by their codenumbuh
393planetarydecom
394the only credit I've got for any of them is one kid who tom kenny voiced listed as "operative c"
395so
396planetarydecom
397I'm heavily considering writing them into the files anyway and just having them be operatives a-f
398roguephenon
399i say if it works than it works
400planetarydecom
401yup. it sounds JUST enough like a numbuh-sounding thing to scrape plausibility
402and technically isn't against canon
403which is something that cripples me in fics like I can't write a name if it Isn't Confirmed
404roguephenon
405yeah, that's a thing I struggle with big time.
406planetarydecom
407(which if I ever write my Sector Z fic would be an issue because I don't even know if the codenames people use for them are canon, I can't find them named as that anywhere official)
408roguephenon
409someone: who come you don't write more sector Z?
410me outside: oh, just don't have too many ideas for them, y'know?
411planetarydecom
412BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT AS SOLID AS A SPONGE
413roguephenon
414me inside: AIN'T NO WAY I'M WRITING SIX CHAPTERS WITH UNCOMFIRMED NAMES
415lol
416planetarydecom
417I'd love to have a running gag where Father calls the dirty-blonde-haired girl by her Numbuh only because he never actually learned her name
418but I don't even know if Numbuh 0.3 IS her numbuh, I don't know which one it belongs to
419roguephenon
420...oh god
421I NEVER thought about that...
422and now I'm never going to not think about it...
423planetarydecom
424LOL which one, the Father thing or the number assignments
425roguephenon
426...ALL
427planetarydecom
428HAHA
429planetarydecom
430WELCOME TO MY PERMANENT HELL
431for all I know she could be Constance
432I'm pretty sure the codenames are correct but just, WHERE CAN I CONFIRM??
433roguephenon
434I thought the dirty blonde girl was the only one who didn't have confirmed name yet?
435planetarydecom
436I know Constance = Numbuh .5 from g:KND but
437it's not like there was a picture
438roguephenon
439true. ugh
440planetarydecom
441it was just the codename people were already using for the one with pigtails
442like I don't think mr. w's so removed / mean enough to let people assume it was the wrong girl, but. it's just an example of how little is really just fanon when it boils down to it
443maybe in another two years we'll get the last one…!
444roguephenon
445it would make our hobby a HELL of a lot less stressful
446planetarydecom
447haha I know
448roguephenon
449someone: it's not that big of deal
450planetarydecom
451I'd kill a man for access to the animation bible with the background character models
452roguephenon
453us as writers: you...don't...understnad
454planetarydecom
455THANK YOU SOMEONE GETS IT
456or rather, someone HAS NO IDEA
457but I get it
458roguephenon
459haha
460planetarydecom
461maybe that's why I like playing around with the Season 3 minor characters, because they actually have names but slight enough screentime to build a backstory that works
462roguephenon
463yeah, that makes sense. they have juuust enough to make it okay
464planetarydecom
465I have to make stuff up for them of course but at least it's not stuff I KNOW could at some point be unwritten as easily as a name
466roguephenon
467characters like Numbuh 10 tho keep me up at night.
468at least in the reasoning that she's a well-known minor character, but has no set name
469planetarydecom
470I'm positive she's Muffy Jenkins. She has to be.
471roguephenon
472The ONLY thing that makes me weary of that is MESSAGE
473planetarydecom
474that's actually the reason why I think it's her
475someone had to tell Global Command about the Splinter Cell
476and they let all the sector leaders know afterward, no one else
477so if she was the one getting information from Eggboy then that'd lead to the events in SCIENCE and AMISH into HOLIDAY
478roguephenon
479ahhh that makes so much sense too.
480planetarydecom
481Plus she's the prettiest girl in the KND and popular in school
482roguephenon
483and like, I was instantly making those kinds of connections when you mentioned it
484planetarydecom
485I.e., the kind of stuff that would help immensely in an election PR campaign
486They have the same voice actor (using the same voice, I checked) and they're the only female characters I've been able to find with that skin tone
487kinda orangey
488I mean of course it's all still just a theory but I can back it up well enough to use it in my story and feel justified
489KND spies are very very rarely shown so I think it's supposed to be a thing where you hide in plain sight
490roguephenon
491totally. I'm actually really wanting to adopt this too because it makes SO MUCH SENSE
492planetarydecom
493I'd be delighted if you did, or even just kept it as one possible idea
494planetarydecom
495The last bit of evidence I have is like the most absolutely petty thing to base a theory on, but
496in the comic version of MESSAGE that was written before it became an actual episode, the girl in the same place at the table as the one from the episode is only seen by an arm, and it has that skin tone
497and the same style of white shirt sleeve that Numbuh 10 wears in her civilian outfit
498roguephenon
499aaaaahhhhhh
500roguephenon
501yeah, I totally CANNOT see them as two different girls now
502planetarydecom
503hang on I'll post the pictures, I've devoted entirely too much thought to this but it's such a fun theory
504roguephenon
505I guess I just had this disconnect between them? Like, it would seem weird for them not to acknowledge that in the show. MESSAGE definitely came near the end of the show well after Numbuh 10 had been established.
506roguephenon
507And with all the reveals made and how casual operatives can sometimes be when referring to each other by name, it wouldn't take much for them to just admit that, like pan to her face and we got "oh hey, it's Numbuh 10"
508roguephenon
509I'm sorry if that like sounds if I'm stomping over the theory. I agree that it is super fun and one I want to adopt now. But I guess that's just how I think with things like that?
510planetarydecom
511no, I get it! like even with all I have it's still definitely a stretch
512planetarydecom
513http://imgur.com/a/al7sb
514but again, it's a fun theory and there's enough evidence for vs. against that I don't feel too out of bounds for using it
515it would be weird, I agree. I think they didn't want to drop the running gag so likely they'd never have confirmed one way or another who or what muffy was supposed to be
516roguephenon
517I totally think you should use it regardless! I think it's very cool you actually made a connection/
518planetarydecom
519that's how desperately I read into episodes sob
520I WANT ALL THE MINUTE CONNECTIONS
521roguephenon
522I don't think that's a problem, and I actually admire it a lot!
523Like, it's obvious I NEVER made that connection but purely because of the fact there was no clear connection at all like I explained? But like, you didn't let that stop you, and I think that's really, really awesome
524planetarydecom
525ahh, thank you. the nitpicking is so much sometimes I'm glad it's got some pluses and it does help flesh out stuff that gives me new material to work with
526I have a lot of headcanons for characters that aren't so much theories (like the Numbuh 10 thing) but I still use them, I posted a few of them from a chat with a friend http://planetarydecom.tumblr.com/tagged/unsubstantiated-theory-time
527planetarydecom
528I love playing with minor characters and timeline micromanaging is basically my pastime
529roguephenon
530I think it's really cool!
531planetarydecom
532thanks ^^ again, that's really really lovely to hear
533roguephenon
534No prob. Like, I hope that doesn't sound repetitive (me just saying it's cool lol) but I really am wow'd by it and want to give you ALL THE PROPS because you deserve it and it's rad.
535planetarydecom
536（；へ：）
537all the warm fuzzies
538i'd love to hear your thoughts on anything similar, like the characters in the posts I have so far, or any other minor characters because they're all so gooood
539roguephenon
540besides the subject of her name, I mostly see Numbuh 10 as this sort of leader who demands attention, wants to get the scoop on every major story, and can be a bit of a camera hog. (a lot of this comes from pitches Mr .W had that he released a while back and one of them was that Numbuh 10's team HATES her)
541like, she's a good person, but not a nice person, if that makes sense
542roguephenon
543and I continue to mention her because I tie her in with Patton a lot. A total thing I have that has no basis is that they know each other way back from pre-K and have this odd sort of friendship/rivialry
544planetarydecom
545YEP I'm 100% on board with Numbuh 10's squad hating her, that's perfect
546if you have links to the pitches that'd be amazing, or at least keywords to search. I love stuff like that
547and Patton & Numbuh 10 would be cute! there's nothing contradicting it and I'm all about relationships between operatives we don't explore that much
548roguephenon
549I don't have the links on hand, but I know someone who does and will make sure you see it/
550planetarydecom
551because we do see a lot of them together in crowd scenes and implying they're friends; it's just part of a story we don't see in Sector V land
552!! I would love that, thanks
553BIT CHARACTER THEATRE IS KIND OF MY JAM in case it wasn't obvious
554roguephenon
555and yeah 10/60 relationship has been a favorite pet project of mine recently
556like you said, developing relationship between characters that were never explored/thought of etc
557planetarydecom
558I'd read the hell out of it, which should come as no surprise to you haha.
559planetarydecom
560I love doing stuff like that and again, flashbacks. Like Numbuh 274 & DCFDTL, and also him and Fanny in the same vein
561Numbuh 44 and Patton
562All the sector leaders really now that I think of it
563roguephenon
564The only story I have so far with them in it is LEMON. It's mostly centered around 10 herself and Numbuh 80 (ANOTHER FAV) but Patton is there too.
565They've been together in other fics, and I headcanon all in the same verse, and I try to subtle develop their relationship and interactions throughout them
566planetarydecom
567speaking of 90 SCIENCE IS SUCH A GOOD EPISODE
568*80
569roguephenon
570IT IS!
571planetarydecom
572and I haven't read LEMON yet I think the last story of yours was TEA, idk how I missed it in the update page if it was there :O
573roguephenon
574I love it for sooo many reason. (one of which being Numbuh 80 lol)
575roguephenon
576Well it was written months after TEA so it doesn't surprise me lol. There's a bit of stretch between fics because I try and develop the concepts as much as I can
577planetarydecom
578I have only half the episode really watched, confession time, because i spent like half an hour in the first five minutes screenshotting every pavilian / sector / named 2x4 guy)
579I make lists of details of stuff so it's like Immensely Important who's in the (main?) Chinese sector and what sector Numbuh 202 is actually from
580roguephenon
581The villains of TEA were actually originally the villains of LEMON (just to showcase plot development and whatnot)
582planetarydecom
583That makes sense! Both beverage-themed
584but they are pretty seamless for KND-verse so you did a great job with them
585they feel like villains that could show up as recurring baddies
586roguephenon
587ah thanks :3
588planetarydecom
589I'll read LEMON probably tonight, I don't want to do it now because my attention's divided on three different things and I can't. read things casually
590But you had me at "Sector A"
591roguephenon
592I'd like to maybe use them again but it really depends. I try and not make OCs recurring characters because I don't want readers feeling like they HAVE to go back and read another fanfic for characters that aren't actually in the show
593I do have running gag OCs tho. Numbuh 9-2-5 is one of them and is mentioned every now and again lol
594planetarydecom
595that's also true. but if you ever wrote another sequel to TEA at least, I think you could put them in quite seamlessly
596I don't want to make OCs even though it's inevitable at times but not even because I don't like them, I just have so much compulsion to use characters that do appear in the tiniest capacity and turn them into whatever I need for a story (so long as it doesn't go against what we know)
597i.e., instead of making a new traitor/villain for future files that'd be in an unfilled age gap, I used Lee
598roguephenon
599I totally get that! I'm kind of the same mindset these. There's a lot of characters, minor and major, that have so much potential, that it's more fun and engaging to use them and expand on them more.
600planetarydecom
601there are a lot of kid / younger characters that I have earmarked in case I need to mention future KND operatives & recruits
602and older operatives for traitors or teen ninjas or just witless teenagers
603roguephenon
604Creating OCs is fun, but  I don't like creating them JUST to fill a role that can easily go to someone already established/
605planetarydecom
606yeah, exactly!
607planetarydecom
608we have the names of even just gallagher kids and I know Jessica from Op: RABBIT could hold her own in cadet training
609roguephenon
610ah I love that idea, that's so cute
611planetarydecom
612yes! unfortunately she goes to Sector W, so she's probably doomed
613roguephenon
614poor Sector W
615planetarydecom
616I have everyone from Sector W either decommissioned or out of the KND by age 10
617the current trio (/quartet), anyway.
618roguephenon
619I think it's great. I've already read what happens in CoYS, and I read your post on Lee, and I think it's very interesting.
620planetarydecom
621Yeah. Mostly it's because I absurdly love Harvey in all his smarmy glory, but all of those kids are fun to play with
622roguephenon
623It's a shame because I actually don't have too much on them myself, even though I love the characters (Harvey is great for reasons you already know)
624planetarydecom
625they're kind of a headcanon parallel to my other headcanon of Sector Z, the wiz-kids who were gonna be the Future of the KNDâ„¢ except then they failed
626roguephenon
627I really like that concept
628planetarydecom
629Yeah I like writing Harvey for all his quirks, I'm using the idea that he fights adults but what he really hates / is shown to fear is older kids
630roguephenon
631Yeah there's definitely a lot of resentment there.
632planetarydecom
633Poor Paddy couldn't take the torment after his haircut and took a dishonorable discharge to sit in the corner at home with a paper bag over his head
634And so Sonia (and Lee to an extent) were more than usually protective of Harvey when he was assigned to them
635And I think they're aware of his…issues and sensitive to them so they try to be accomodating until he just goes too far being the wacko he is
636and, again, he breaks Kuki's arm when she has to make contact to save his life and Wally just goes ballistic
637roguephenon
638Very true, and I think it makes a lot of sense too
639planetarydecom
640I thought it was interesting Harvey only freaked about Nigel (and Wally) touching him but he was fine smacking villains around and he didn't get thrown into a fit when Sonia shoved him
641roguephenon
642I've always wondered what exactly is was that made Abby finally decommission him.
643roguephenon
644Like, the event itself.
645planetarydecom
646Me too. I think it must have been something serious even if she was probably glad to be rid of him
647And it's one of the reasons I write Abby and Rachel as…not exactly friendly, at all
648roguephenon
649Haha, I liked that too.
650I've done something similar (in a fic I REALLY need to finish someday)
651planetarydecom
652Idk what exactly the event was yet for my fics, though I'm leaning toward the Arctic Base losing power during a KND mission and Harvey refusing his life-saving Rainbow Monkey hug
653Oooh I'd love to read that. I love writing Abby and Rachel (and others) with their more combative traits in mind
654because Rachel is a good person but people forget how bad her temper is and how she does have an ego as leader, and Abby can be very unkind
655like, we all know the good parts of those characters, there's a million fics of them as great Greats
656roguephenon
657It's mostly contained within the fic itself, and has to do more beyond just stuff with Abby and Rachel, but the stuff between them is there and something I liked writing.
658planetarydecom
659so I'll write the other stuff
660Abby is so difficult to write but writing her with Rachel is fun~
661roguephenon
662The fic I'm talking about is Cold Reception (and to an extent, it's companion Reassignment) and yeah it's...something
663I'll warn you now that fic is a REALLY INTERESTING MESS I MADE
664It's also unfinished so there's that lol
665planetarydecom
666I remember seeing that one, because I remember it was a really long one and I decided to skip it for others
667I had a feeling it was going to be 1/362 as at least a part of the focus and that's one of my few 'eh' pairings
668But I'll probably go for it at some point now if there's Abby and Rachel stuff, and Sector V
669roguephenon
670Haha, it does. At least in the first part. The latter half was meant to deconstruct it, but I've only recently gotten to that stuff, and who knows if I'll finish it
671planetarydecom
672(I LOVE Reassignment that was actually my inspiration for File V)
673planetarydecom
674If you do, I'm sure you'll do a good job with it. And if not you've got other fics to keep the people entertained
675The idea of Rachel kind of throwing the KND into a frenzy in a tag game to make her exit is pretty much the headcanon I adopted
676roguephenon
677Ah, then you've read where most of the Abby/Rachel stuff comes from in CR lol
678planetarydecom
679yup
680roguephenon
681In short, Rachel is bitter about "not getting her way" takes it out on Abby, and it all goes downhill between them from there.
682planetarydecom
683yes!! yes this is good
684roguephenon
685Abby sees signs of her losing in teen ops, but decides to let it happen because she wants nothing to do with her.
686planetarydecom
687Rachel McKenzie is very much the type to hold a grudge by my estimate
688I have some fun stuff planned for Rachel (and Harvey, since she ends up bringing him along when it becomes obvious he can't stay at home in his condition) and they basically just roadtrip for vengeance
689under the guise of roadtripping for information
690roguephenon
691But Rachel goes nuts, it ends up bringing Nigel back, and that complicates things so much.
692planetarydecom
693IT REALLY WOULD
694and Rachel going nuts is something I'm here for, I like the idea of 'best' operatives maybe not being so best when pushed too the wall
695roguephenon
696I shipped 1/362 a lot back then (still do, but am more tame/take it or leave it about) but the 1/362 in that fic was never meant to be good news or end happily.
697planetarydecom
698And I can absolutely picture her as being furious how the scientists (and other infiltrated branches) pulled the wool over her eyes and smuggled Nigel Uno out of existence without her having a clue
699I wouldn't mind even if it was! Though the idea of deconstructing it is so so good
700I think Rachel did like him and we see that she had her opportunity to make a play. And he passed
701And I think he always would have, because he's Nigel.
702roguephenon
703Yeah. And that's something she's very on about in CR. In fact, her plans go even more unhinged and becomes more about just messing with Nigel.
704planetarydecom
705Yes! I have /parts/ of that for my timeline
706roguephenon
707She toys with him HEAVILY and he is very distraught about it, and this only intensifies things between her and Abby
708planetarydecom
709The difference is, the part with Nigel is what people assume she's after since we see it from the KND's point of view. but when confronted about it she just slams them and says she doesn't care about Nigel anymore, he's dead to her. She wants to know who manipulated her and stole the KND out from under her for an entire year as Supreme Leader
710roguephenon
711Abby has her own problems with Rachel, but it comes to raging point, and Abby sees it as something she could've stopped and spared him of and it makes things very personal
712planetarydecom
713she wants 74.239
714and yes. yes good shit check mark emojis I'm gonna read
715roguephenon
716fair warning, it reflects a LOT of how much I was still learning as a writer, and a lot of this doesn't come together until the later chapters.
717like I said, the fic is a MESS, but I still like if only I can see how much I've improved. and I'm determined to finish it one day to prove it can't "beat me" lol
718planetarydecom
719I wouldn't worry I've read like a LOT of your old fics because you were the only one who wrote for certain characters, and even the oldest ones are fantastic
720roguephenon
721ahh thanks
722planetarydecom
723I have fics like that, or at least one for KND. It was under a different pen name but I made a switch and decided to leave that one where it was
724planetarydecom
725and maybe i'll go back to it someday but for now I'm just 'ehhhhh' because I have new ideas for DCFDTL
726roguephenon
727i totally understand that. tbh I thought of doing the same thing when I started writing KND again
728like, making a new profile and such. I was actually going to call it Rogue Phenon too lol
729planetarydecom
730I'm glad you kept them in the same place even though I was too chicken to do the same, even if the bigger motivation was I wanted at least a semi-SFW account and the other one wasn't
731That way they're all in one place
732('The Black Sheep' is probably my favorite out of all your fics just fyi)
733roguephenon
734THAT ONE I STILL LOVE AND AM SO GLAD SOMEONE REMEMBERS IT
735planetarydecom
736SO GOOD
737HARVEY AND RACHEL FAMILY INTERACTION
738NUMBUH 13
739planetarydecom
740THREADING CANON RELATIONSHIPS
741VERY GOOD
742roguephenon
743That's STILL a headcanon I use, btw
744planetarydecom
745so ic
746I LOVE IT
747I rarely laugh out loud reading fics but that one did it for me
748roguephenon
749That fic is still canon in terms of my "timeline" in my fics (minus the part that alluded to Nigel and Rachel dating)
750planetarydecom
751I want to write about Numbuh 13 being decommissioned and I have two very different ideas for how it could go
752option 1, upon being decommission his curse on the KND is…not broken, exactly, so much as modified so that he becomes the MOST TERRIFYING TEEN NINJA WHO IS SUDDENLY COMPETENT just to make their lives hell
753roguephenon
754I'd love to hear them!
755planetarydecom
756option 2. is he's born on February 29 and the computer does not acknowledge he's 13 until he's had 13 birthdays. on that date.
757roguephenon
758both sound sooo good
759planetarydecom
760Minor character theater is wonderful
761I need to find an excuse to write Sector N, I know at least 3-4 of their members and there are 7 in total
762it takes 7 people to contain numbuh 13
763roguephenon
764I also headcanon that the only reason he's a field operative is because he used his birthday wish on Rachel when she was made Supreme Leader and she granted him field operative status
765planetarydecom
766I can see that. I can also see her sticking him ANYWHERE just to get him out of her freaking Moonbase and out of her hair
767like she did 411 that one time
768………and Tommy
769roguephenon
770Partly because she respected tradition, but mainly because he used to work in Moonbase Analytics and she did not want someone piecing the truth together
771planetarydecom
772Oooh yes good, connecting threads
773roguephenon
774He's actually been transferred to numerous sectors, and sector N is the only that's put up with him this long
775planetarydecom
776that's wonderful
777he thinks of himself as a world-traveler like Numbuh 274 was. the others see him as the plague that comes and must be cleansed
778roguephenon
779I know, I love it
780roguephenon
781but I love headcanons like that, mostly because of what it can indirectly say about Rachel.
782I love Rachel, I do. I do believe she really cares and tries her best...
783...but the girl has some flaws.
784planetarydecom
785She does! Fandom really forgets about them which is why I like to dwell on them more, even though I do honestly think she's a great operative
786planetarydecom
787But stuff like her and 86 being besties and her being automatically the greatest teen operative when she gets the job--I like breaking that down with stuff we have that'd contradict it
788roguephenon
789Same.
790And I don't think anything's wrong with that, it's just that it's kind of accepted so nothing else really gets explored.
791planetarydecom
792And exploring is half the fun of writing
793and her being a fugitive is sooooo interesting and wonderful canon info because it almost certainly implies she had some separation from the KND whereas teen ops like Maurice didn't
794because of the different labeling
795[doglover502]
7962
797
798roguephenon
799yeah exactly.
800planetarydecom
801I'm trying to think of exactly what ahppens with Patton in that scenario and I'm guessing she gets some intelligence from one of the scientists / operatives she shakes down that'd implicate him in something dangerous
802So she gets him on her side, which takes place after he's 13 and a teen op (since…Rachel was the first choice from her grade but that didn't work out)
803roguephenon
804It really is hard to pinpoint to a concrete reason. And I doubt they would both be marked as fugitives yet have little to nothing to do with each other.
805planetarydecom
806Yeah, I think they're definitely working together.
807planetarydecom
808My very rough idea so far is that Rachel desperately needs help and goes to Patton because he's the only one she knows for certain was never in on the plotting behind her back
809roguephenon
810That makes the most sense to me.
811planetarydecom
812also: Numbuh 362 + 60 + 363 roadtrip
813I want some hijinks and ridiculousness and domesticity during the apocolypse thank you
814roguephenon
815Going back to what were we talking about not to long ago, it almost makes me wonder if it was one of those "ascended fanon" things since Patton/Rachel/Fanny are seen as a trio in fandom and a lot of people's OT3. Fanny's status contridicts tho
816and I am so down for 362+60+363 roadtrip
817planetarydecom
818Fanny is my favorite because I think she's in this very strange in-between place concerning all the conspiracy
819I have her as knowing about teen operatives even though canon could really go either way
820so she's a better actress than she appears but she's also more out of the loop than Rachel thinks, and Rachel even suspects she may've been aware of some of the Splinter Cell stuff when in reality Fanny didn't even know Chad's plan to sabotage his decommissioning until it was over with
821Numbuh 86 has to make a lot of judgement calls and a lot of that comes from cues she has to get from Chad and Numbuh Infinity. Which makes Rachel very suspicious in hindsight
822roguephenon
823Yeah, I agree. It's all very confusing. But any level of information she had or didn't have would make things between her and Rachel either way.
824planetarydecom
825Exactly!
826One bit I had a lot of interest in was in the almost-final scene of INTERVIEWS when Nigel was meeting the g:KND ops, and some of the kids present were Fanny's Doh-Doh troopers
827so the Splinter Cell really did infiltrate all branches of the KND, and we have no idea how or in what capacity
828but I very much doubt they were all aliens and I don't think they vanished at the same time as Nigel did
829roguephenon
830I still like how that all fell into place, tho. The concept of the Splinter Cell at least.
831planetarydecom
832Me too. I just wish I knew more about the logistics!
833roguephenon
834It was built up to be this extremist KND that wanted to get rid of ALL adults, but then we're told it's a cover for the g:KND
835planetarydecom
836…which is in turn this extremist KND that wanted to get rid of ALL adults
837it comes full circle
838roguephenon
839Exactly!
840planetarydecom
841It's so good.
842I plan on using the Splinter Cell concept again in CYoS, but this time in the context of within the g:KND
843There was no Splinter Cell? Then they'll make one
844Recommission everyone
845roguephenon
846I actually have this vague theory that maybe the Splinter Cell cover was supposed to be a different story, but someone who did know what the g:KND was and stood for tried to tell someone, but the stories got mixed and to cover that up, they had to act like that was the original cover story all along.
847planetarydecom
848I think something similar
849I think the 'Splinter Cell' term was just a name the first person to overhear them talking made up and then the g:KND adopted it out of convenience
850roguephenon
851Thank goodness, because looking back on that, i realize that was written in a very confusing manner lol
852planetarydecom
853I get where you're coming from! We're on the same level of canon analytics lol
854roguephenon
855yeah, that's a much better way of saying it
856planetarydecom
857I'm so curious whether the scientists just regular Deep Sea Lab guys who got the secret out of 74.239 because he's a nerd who likes to brag. And how they picked other operatives who'd get to be in on the conspiracy who weren't scientists, if those operatives were human--again not even a guarantee
858There are 100 billion planets in the Milky way and 2 out of 8 in Earth's solar system alone were g:KND members at one point. That's soooo many operatives
859There could have been a LOT of aliens on earth for all we know even if it's more convenient to have them as humans
860roguephenon
861I have an idea that there's some sort of MIB like cell of the Earth KND lead by Infinity that keeps track of this and tries to appease everyone so no one blows up someone else's planet, but it's not developed that well yet.
862Plus it just adds another pile of confusion into all this speculation lol
863planetarydecom
864I know Infinity was in charge of SOMETHING even if he was apparently under 74.239
865…and so were a few infantry and, again, decommisisoning
866I'm positive Fanny didn't know about the Splinter Cell / g:KND even though she knew about teen ops. So were her subordinates that were part of the conspiracy manipulating her?
867And same for Rachel, for that matter?
868roguephenon
869There's DEFINITELY a lot of manipulation going on here. Only when we try and narrow it down to someone, there's evidence that THEY were being manipulated too
870planetarydecom
871exactly!
872I feel like even Infinity was out of the loop for a lot of stuff
873roguephenon
874I do too, actually.
875planetarydecom
876I have a feeling that Rachel's lack of involvement in the scavenger hunt while the scientists basically manipulated EVERYONE wasn't an accident
877And I think that Harvey's sector got the cake mission because Someone decided it'd be the best test for Numbuh 1
878And she realizes that in hindsight when the same Someone is suddenly off the radar
879roguephenon
880There's so much intrigue in all this that it's facsinating.
881planetarydecom
882Yeah. And it gives Rachel all the more fuel to hold a grudge and go rogue
883Because how can she be a teen reporting to Global Command when she doesn't even know WHO Global Command really is anymore?
884roguephenon
885"WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!?"
886planetarydecom
887AND HOW MUCH OF MY CAREER DID YOU DETERMINE
888Because remember, Rachel does NOT appreciate being made a monkey out of
889roguephenon
890i see what you did there
891i like it haha
892planetarydecom
893I WAS COUNTING ON IT so thank you
894And I think Rachel's got a slipping reputation by the time she leaves and she resents that because she is just now realizing how much stuff doesn't add up
895and when she tries to put her foot down she gets turned around by g:KND people to make it look like she's just being overly strict or demanding and not rightly paranoid
896roguephenon
897It's almost sad, because if you look back, you can find so many things where her reputation takes hits and she just tries to push on through it.
898planetarydecom
899Exactly!
900Because--and this is what really hits her nerves the hardest--the world has to revolve around Nigel Uno, even when it just isn't sensible
901planetarydecom
902(And speaking of hits to her reputation, I have a headcanon related to that during Chad's tenure as Supreme Leader when she was presumably second-in-command)
903
904planetarydecom
905(And speaking of hits to her reputation, I have a headcanon related to that during Chad's tenure as Supreme Leader when she was presumably second-in-command)
906roguephenon
907do tell!
908planetarydecom
909So Chad was basically The Shit as Supreme Leader (and before that, probably) and everyone /adored/ him
910But he ran a really tight ship. He had himself to give orders, Herbie and Bartie to relay them, Numbuh 86 to enforce them
911And Numbuh 362 got to be The Enforcer who giveth promotions and taketh promotions away
912Numbuh 86 in particular seems terrified of her, I kind of picture Numbuh 362 as Chad's right-hand man / attack dog
913She got to be the bad guy so he could be everyone's hero, and then she had to work on herself to turn that around after becoming leader
914planetarydecom
915Because it was no longer good or encouraged to be extremely harsh and critical since kids are sensitive little things
916roguephenon
917Yeah, I can imagine her having to pull a complete 180 on her command style and dealing with things.
918Especially if you want to consider how, according to Nigel in IT at anyway rate. she wanted the job.
919A job that apparently no one else wants.
920planetarydecom
921She wanted to be in charge or thought it was her right
922I definitely see a 180 happening, and that's the idea I use when writing her in flashbacks when she's younger
923Hence her being extremely hard on her brother and Numbuh 86 (we get the impression in her first appearance that she share's Fanny's prejudice against boys)
924roguephenon
925I think being in charge was a humbling experience for her, and it probably did her some good. But I think there's a sense of entitlement there that always lingered and she just had this sort of relaspe when things unraveled in the end
926
927planetarydecom
928Yessss
929it's like you're reading the KND files in my brain, good, good
930roguephenon
931That's how I approach writing her. Rachel's a good kid and good leader. But she WANTS things, and is not above using her status to get them (it's little things tho, like getting first in line, cheesecake, etc)
932planetarydecom
933Yes!
934"MY Moonbase, etc."
935roguephenon
936But things get really stressed and the pressure comes down, she suddenly wants a LOT of things, and that is make or break for her.
937:D
938planetarydecom
939Yyyep.
940She and Chad are more alike than she cares to admit
941I don't have any ideas for them to interact yet and now that I'm saying that it feels very wrong and should be corrected
942roguephenon
943For me, it depends on whether she knows he's a spy or not. In either case, i feel she wouldn't like dealing with him too much because she just sees the worst in herself in him.
944Like, looking into a mirror or something.
945planetarydecom
946I think she knows, because Maurice says teen operatives report to Global Command.
947Now, I do not believe they ANSWER to Global Command, and that's something that very much wouldn't sit well with Rachel
948planetarydecom
949And yeah Chad's devolution from the most effortless hero to a bitterly depressed antihero is something I want to explore a lot, and I think it ties into Rachel's arc
950roguephenon
951I'd love to see how you explore it, given what we've geeked out about already haha
952planetarydecom
953Chad is my other favorite (all of Global Command are my favorites, but I really really love him and Fanny)
954I feel like I can understand his mindset very well because he is the guy that does EVERYTHING and that's just how it is and he's used to that, so why is he suddenly not feeling amazing about it anymore
955He's just so isolated and coming to the realization that all the friends he had in the KND maybe weren't his friends after all because he barely knew any of them with any depth
956planetarydecom
957I have one idea for a file that's just Chad at band practice with the ScumBucketPunks and it's set up as funny hijinks with The Steve but in the end it's just Chad fantasizing about violently beating the other band members with his bass while acknowledging they are, frankly, the best friends he has
958planetarydecom
959He has no connections to anyone that are meaningful so his mission becomes everything. And when that mission gets pulled out from under it that whole year of torturous effort just explodes him past the brink and into straight-up berserk territory
960roguephenon
961ahhh man, that's good stuff. turn arounds like that are really interesting to look into.
962roguephenon
963But yeah, that's like the tradgey of Chad. Despite it all, he can rationalize losing everything else because it's for the mission and the mission will pay off. But then it doesn't.
964roguephenon
965Then he's just left there with nothing.
966planetarydecom
967Exactly.
968roguephenon
969And he has NO idea how to deal with that
970planetarydecom
971Nothing. Just a family that he's desperate to escape from and then he's threatened to lose them later as well and it's too much, because they're still his parents and they love him
972One other big concept I use (that's mostly self-indulgent) is him having a bigger relationship / interaction with Numbuh 86
973roguephenon
974This makes his appearance in the g:KND teaser more touching I think.
975Like you said, g:KND is basically 14 billion Chads.
976planetarydecom
977Yeah! Because, like, his parents are embarrassing freaks who put him through every extracurricular activity in existence and he's ditching them for space at first opportunity but
978Please don't kill them
979roguephenon
980And there is Chad, who is sick of himself
981planetarydecom
982So sick of himself
983And not sick of Nigel, but sick AT him, because how could he?
984roguephenon
985And there is Nigel, who is about to turn about Chad number 14 billioan and one.
986planetarydecom
987How?
988Yes.
989roguephenon
990And Chad is trying so hard to tell him to not be like him.
991planetarydecom
992Nigel by all appearances is too far gone and thinks Chad's beneath him
993And I have more on Nigel. Soo much. but one last thing
994One big concept I use that's mostly self-indulgent is Chad having a more explored dynamic with Numbuh 86
995Because two of his feature episodes feature her prominently and other minor interactions make it clear they worked together closely at the very least
996planetarydecom
997Also, they're cute, and I like Chad having someone in the KND that he can antagonize without actively resenting them
998roguephenon
999ah I get'chu. It's sounds really interesting and I get where you're coming from.
1000planetarydecom
1001…Remember what i said about Chad babysitting adventures
1002roguephenon
1003y'know, from exploring two characters and how they interact haha
1004Yup
1005planetarydecom
1006He babysits for the Fulbrights. That's how he knew how to impersonate Fanny's mother convincingly enough to fool her (not that it's hard, but).
1007planetarydecom
1008However when he pulls stuff like that, Fanny never knows in advance, so he's just constantly giving her doubt and heart attacks while for him it's just nice to be able to mess with an old friend even if they're supposed to be enemies now
1009
1010roguephenon
1011That really fits in well!
1012planetarydecom
1013Mostly that stems from my timeline of Fanny joining the KND in kindergarten, when she was 5. So she was The Baby
1014and that impacted a lot of her ego and throwing her weight around later
1015planetarydecom
1016Precocious little brat.
1017roguephenon
1018haha, yeah, i totally see that
1019planetarydecom
1020So one file is a flashback to when she was recruited and we get glimpses of what babby Sector V is up to but none of them are quite material yet to be on the KND radar
1021(except Abby, but she's busy candy hunting and can't be bothered. Cree is So Indignant)
1022roguephenon
1023Cree forever salty about that, haha
1024planetarydecom
1025Cree spends her whole life trying to recruit Abby, just never for the same cause
1026It's the worst
1027So yeah I think Numbuh 86 having so much seniority over Sector V even though they're the same age influences her treatment of them a lot, because of course she's going to rub it in for all it's worth
1028And Chad's used to her brattiness and mannerisms but is patient enough to try and keep her from getting on the wrong side of Numbuh 362
1029roguephenon
1030oh yeah. As we've seen, she is not above bragging right in someone's face
1031roguephenon
1032most of the time anyway
1033planetarydecom
1034I LOVE how rude she is and how it's just universally accepted that she's the most hated KND member
1035Rachel looks down on her, Abby straight-up hates her
1036Even the neutral operatives like Bartie and Virginia would sooner gnaw off their own legs than try to befriend her
1037And most of the time Fanny is very happy with this! It means she's respected and powerful.
1038
1039And most of the time Fanny is very happy with this! It means she's respected and powerful.
1040Except then sometimes it hits her that she's lonely and hey, Chad can relate
1041roguephenon
1042Fanny is such an interesting character in that regard
1043planetarydecom
1044Again, playing up the bad qualities because how else do we find out what makes them tick?
1045also if I'm rambling feel free to direct me to another topic or character you're more interested in, because I probably am too
1046I'm curious if you have other pet characters you enjoy writing besides 10 / 60 / 80 et. al
1047roguephenon
1048oh no you're cool! I enjoy listening to rambling. I also fear I do it too much myself haha
1049roguephenon
1050as for other pet characters? hm
1051planetarydecom
1052nahhhh I can talk KND all day man
1053roguephenon
1054it really depends, actually. sector v is a favorite default, because they're fun to write and it's easy to use them as a gateway to other characters.
1055I recent fic I did was one where they had to deal witha bunch of coupon obsessed ghosts and I used them to segway into writing Numbuh 23
1056
1057
1058
1059
1060
1061
1062
1063
1064
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1066planetarydecom
1067Virginiaaa
1068I love her, she's so harsh
1069And I read that story! Mr. Boss is such a fun villain
1070roguephenon
1071I've wanted to write her for a long time, but didn't know how to do it or what her character should be expanded to, so I used sector V to sort of introduce her because they're easy to bounce off of
1072planetarydecom
1073Yeah, that's kinda how it went in canon too!
1074She seems like kind of a bro and rambunctious
1075roguephenon
1076Yeah. I envisioned her having a laid back personanlity in some regards, and after bouncing around that what came out.
1077The Steve is another character I'm really interested in right now.
1078He was very fun to write, and I'm trying to formulate some concepts to put him in a more "proper" villain role.
1079I really love writing for villains
1080planetarydecom
1081Yes! The Steeeve
1082I don't think he's Numbuh 100 but either way I like what we know about him
1083Airheaded and cunning in the span of the same conversation
1084roguephenon
1085Oh yes, and I LOVE coming up with stuff like that. He reminds of Kuki, in that his airheaded might sometimes be intentional, but he plays with it to his own advantage (there are moments where he's genuine tho and that's fun too)
1086And yeah, Steve/100. I personally like the idea, wouldn't mind doing something more serious beyond alluding to it.
1087roguephenon
1088Like, I have plans and concepts I'd like to try with that, but for now, I write them as if they're two separate people in case I don't end up developing other tangents and people are left wondering "hey, where were you going with that?"
1089planetarydecom
1090I literally barely stopped myself from typing he was like an evil Kuki
1091And it's the kind of headcanon I would LOVE to believe, it's just they don't really look like each other and there's no hints to it
1092Different voice actors, design, no hint that anyone from KND recognizes him
1093I want to know ALL the teenagers who were former KND ops though this is very pertinent information to me
1094roguephenon
1095I think I MAY be the one who started that trend of headcanon with him because of a fic I did years ago (as joke tbh but the fic was sort of serious) I think it was literally fueled by the fact their hair color, and shirt colors were the same lol
1096planetarydecom
1097…omg did you really THAT'S AMAZING
1098way to go you literally revolutionized a fandom's perception of two characters I one day dream of being that kind of writer
1099roguephenon
1100I guess haha. I get told things like that a lot.
1101planetarydecom
1102It must be weird
1103roguephenon
1104it really is tbh
1105planetarydecom
1106It's something else to be like a well-regarded writer in KND fandom because let's face it there aren't many authors that meet the prolific AND quality merit checks
1107roguephenon
1108yeah, it's usually one or the other in most cases.
1109planetarydecom
1110I want more exploratory fic about how the universe is composed
1111I've started screenshotting the teens as well for comparison of which ones are used consistently and what their B.R.A. versions match up
1112planetarydecom
1113I'm really in need of characters for flashback events, because there's a large lack of operatives in Chad's age range we ever meet and it's enough that I plan to use it as a plot point
1114roguephenon
1115Now that's really cool. And you're right. The only whom comes close is Maurice, but he's still Chad's junior.
1116planetarydecom
1117Yup. In Chad's grade (or at least in the middle school) there's Stacey and the red-haired undercover agent that Abby spots in MAURICE
1118Aside from them, we know of Cavallero and not much else. "Piggy" is presumably in the same range because he's a contact of Chad's as far back as Season 1 and in Steve's band
1119So, yeah, they're all operatives now. Or were operatives now.
1120roguephenon
1121Maybe that's a reason I like The Steve being 100? He would be around Chad's age, and in that case, I usually headcanon him as being honorably decommissioned and not selected for teen ops.
1122I don't think the KND like thinking about decommissioned allies who went to the other side, and it's a reason why I headcanon no one mentions Steve was 100 out loud.
1123planetarydecom
1124Yeah, it's implied he wasn't. And Warburton confirmed not every Supreme Leader gets it automatically, which makes me reason out that the teen ops pick their own members and Global Command isn't given any sway in it
1125I can see that too, if only because man, it never seems to happen, right?
1126You'd think aside from Cree at least a few former KND would come up as being teens now besides Maurice!
1127roguephenon
1128I think it's interesting to play with the idea that he was a good leader to them, and they have a hard time accepting the fact he went willingly on all terms. He faced his decommissioned on his own, and he ultimately became one of their greatest enemies on his own.
1129planetarydecom
1130So i'm using the 'Junior High Rebellion of 1999' cliche to kind of give a basis for why there are no 12-year-olds in the KND in seasons 1-2 besides Chad and 206
1131roguephenon
1132haha, yeah. it's really weird
1133planetarydecom
1134And why in Maurice a bunch of 7- and 8-year-olds are taking up all the officer positions and they're tiny
1135roguephenon
1136They're sooo tiny.
1137Even Chad.
1138planetarydecom
1139I think at that time it's implied that teenagers were the biggest enemies of the KND, not adults
1140roguephenon
1141That boy hit some growspurt tho
1142planetarydecom
1143Father hadn't gone public against kids yet
1144And YEAH CHAD WHAT you are the tiniest 10-year-old he even has his little Moonbase sweater with the chips on the shoulders
1145roguephenon
1146I like that implication because it makes the Junior High Rebellion of '99 seem more than some throwaway line/event to explain a thing
1147planetarydecom
1148yeah! and the only clue of what happened was that the recommissioning module was wrecked. so maybe they needed to recommission someone, or multiple someones, and then lost the ability to
1149OR the teens wanted it to boost their and the KND couldn't let it happen. but the thing with that is Junior HIgh implies 11-13, 14 at most.
1150So I'm thinking there was some big push where the teens swayed a lot of older operatives to their side, and then struck when they had enough of the older / veteran operatives on the inside that it was essentially the new graduates getting the initiation of their lives
1151roguephenon
1152I imagine there was some peace between the pre-teen ages during that time because it's ultimately one of transition. But something happened that caused a rebellion.
1153planetarydecom
1154Yeah. It's an interesting dynamic because there's so much at play with teenagers.
1155Heck, only one grade in Chad's school would even HAVE teenagers, yet it's the 6th-8th grade declaring war as a unit
1156How many of them are 6th graders who are perhaps in the KND? Or does the middle school only take teen ninjas?
1157roguephenon
1158As we discuss it, I think it could even be tied back to Grandfather's downfall and the KND's rise int he 7th Era
1159planetarydecom
1160ooh tell me more
1161roguephenon
1162Rachel said in ZERO that the attack on the moonbase was the first time (in her time as an operative anyway) that all their majors enemies coordinated a single unfied attack
1163planetarydecom
1164She did!
1165Took Father long enough, if you think about it
1166roguephenon
1167The heavily implies while they meet and sometimes coordinate with each other (like Mr. Boss and his lot) the villains probably don't work together too much.
1168You even have villains like Stickybeard and Knightbrace who probably HATE each other because their theme contrast so much.
1169planetarydecom
1170yeah. they have villain meetings, but no one's really coordinated enough to take command--even Mr. Boss keeps his focus too small
1171they all want to nullify the KND in different ways
1172roguephenon
1173Father's been biding his time, but he's only gone public by the end of season 1 and by the fact he had to coordinate an attack just to bring Grandfather back says he doesn't have nearly a good of a handle of things
1174planetarydecom
1175no, he really doesn't
1176roguephenon
1177That's when we enter Grandfather himself, whom once actually ruled the world.
1178planetarydecom
1179related to the above--do we know for certain Father only went public at the end of Season 1?
1180roguephenon
1181possibly not? I mostly said that because that's when he first majorly appeared. I'm not quite when he actually made himself known/
1182planetarydecom
1183I /think/ he may have faced the KND before or at least they were investigating him
1184Because Evil Adult Industries fought the KND in HISTORIE and that took place before Season 1
1185roguephenon
1186But Grandfather, obviously, had a tight grip on things and ruled the world, so it's safe to say most adult villainy at the operated under him to some extent.
1187planetarydecom
1188And Patton and Fanny both have a few throwaway cues that might suggest they've got a grudge that's personal in some way
1189Certainly, Grandfather ran a tight ship. He decided not to repeat the mistake of giving anyone else ANY power or freedom the second time around
1190roguephenon
1191Then Monty brought the  KND and brought Grandfather down, which probably threw the adult villains of the time for a loop and into retreat.
1192So I think it safe to say there was some "Golden Age" after Grandfather defeat where the KND had things on lock where adults were concern.
1193planetarydecom
1194Yeah, you don't get the sense there was a lot of 'organized' villainy before Season 1?
1195roguephenon
1196It certainly doesn't feel like it.
1197planetarydecom
1198Villains, yes, but all with personal agendas and faced by sectors individually
1199Chad's parents are the closest we have to an organization-wide threat. And Chad takes them down
1200(Apparently he also took down the 'Gorilla'/'Guerilla' gang of adults single-handed at some point in his career? Which is shown as a huge achievement)
1201roguephenon
1202Eventually, I think teenagers filled the void Grandfather left, because Monty's fight probably brought in an influx of new operatives and the fact he left behind the recommissioning module caused some tempers to flare.
1203planetarydecom
1204Yesss, that's so interesting
1205Teenagers are seen as natural predators for the KND
1206I headcanon that Monty invented the recommissioning module, but he was not Supreme Leader or not JUST Supreme Leader in his day--he was Head of Decommissioning
1207roguephenon
1208I think the age old rule of being decommissioned to protect secrets when you're 13 lost a little value with organized adult villainy on the delcine, and the presence of a recommissioning module, made in spite of that rule apparently, made it worse.
1209planetarydecom
1210Yeah. I think Monty wanted to be decommissioned, but he knew it was also a very double-edged sword
1211planetarydecom
1212Because when you obliterate any memories of your old operatives and let them loose with their reputations and no awareness, you're essentially breeding your own defectors
1213And I think he was just old enough to cotton on to this before his 13th
1214roguephenon
1215I headcanon him as an unofficial Supreme Leader whom was never fully recognized because he went off to do other things (personally, I think he wanted to try and go off and find Nigel's mom's lost brother due to a promise he made and the search threw him under the radar until he quitely returned to be decommissioned)
1216planetarydecom
1217Oh!! You know regarding Numbuh 999's brother / Numbuh 10's dad, I don't think they were 'long lost' until after she was decommissioned
1218There are a number of cases of 'long lost close relative [x]' with close enough ties to the KND that I suspect decommissioning may just have played a factor
1219roguephenon
1220Ah cool! I never thought of it that way.
1221planetarydecom
1222Monty seemed to have no idea his brother was the guy living down the lane until he was recommissioned
1223planetarydecom
1224But I think Monty definitely spent time doing his own thing. He may have even done it longer than 13, because the Fountain of Youth is one of the flashback images we see him cycling through during the scene where Nigel brings him back
1225He knows about the Fourth Flavor and there's a LOT of stuff / locations the KND has dealt with in his memories. He was an explorer
1226planetarydecom
1227I like the idea of him never officially being supreme leader
1228roguephenon
1229Definitely. While the idea of him being the first Supreme Leader oft he 7th age is cool, it really doesn't make sense for him to be that AND be regarded as a myth. There would have been some record of that.
1230planetarydecom
1231The KND is so garbage at record-keeping it's kind of impossible without factoring in some kind of conspiracy or gross incompetency
1232roguephenon
1233I've always labelled it as "kids have short attention spans" but thought of other headcanons like the one above to give it more meat lol
1234planetarydecom
1235Yeah, it's probably canon that they're just kids who don't like writing history for homework so why would they do it during free time
1236But this is all happening not like, centuries ago, just decades
1237roguephenon
1238Yeah.
1239And don't even get me started on the 19th Century KND
1240planetarydecom
1241ughhhhhhhhhhhh
1242roguephenon
1243I have documents of stuff trying to make sense of how THAT fits in here
1244planetarydecom
1245Why them
1246planetarydecom
1247WHY IS THE TRIPLETS' MOTHER FATHER'S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER IF SHE'S ALIVE THAT LONG AGO
1248WHAT ARE THE TRIPLETS EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE, WHERE DO DELIGHTFULIZATION CHAMBERS COME FROM
1249roguephenon
1250I DEFINITELY think delightfulization is a byproduct of whatever powers Father/Grandfather has
1251planetarydecom
1252Yeah, I don't believe it's a coincidence
1253roguephenon
1254Grandfather turns anyone he touches into his ideal of a person whom behaves and obeys his orders.
1255My theory is Father hasn't figured out how to do that, and delightfulization and chambers is a way to compensate.
1256roguephenon
1257And I figure their entire family line probably found ways to make up for that power until they could do it themselves.
1258planetarydecom
1259It's strange Grandfather didn't do that in the first place when he ruled the world? Maybe he enjoyed the suffering so much he didn't think it might be better to just have loyal slaves
1260roguephenon
1261Or maybe he wasn't old or "Adult" enough?
1262Part of my theory is that people like him and Father's powers grow stronger the older they get.
1263roguephenon
1264Probably.
1265Cause as the show went on, Father got "older" and his powers got more and more insane to the point he could transform into a dragon by INTERVIEWS
1266roguephenon
1267And in season 1 & 2 he sent the Delightfuls to do his fighting and relied on his technology and resources to transform kids into animals.
1268planetarydecom
1269sorry gimme a sec my mom wants to talk
1270roguephenon
1271ahh sorry, no prob
1272planetarydecom
1273okay back! and you're fine I just felt bad to leave you typing into a void
1274roguephenon
1275no worries haha
1276planetarydecom
1277Those are interesting ideas to play around with, one thing I wonder about Grandfather /really/ is--was he never a kid?
1278He genuinely acts like he was never a child and that is like the KND version of the most evil abomination
1279maybe he just kind of got…created instead of being born a kid. not given any indication but we just have nothing on his background, nothing
1280roguephenon
1281I like this if just for the concept alone
1282planetarydecom
1283and he had two ten-year-olds at the same as uh
1284he appeared to be when those kids were…40 years older
1285it could easily be the silhouette suit I guess but I think it's bizarre that recommissioning made him into the exact same old person he was back in the day when he was ALREADY an old person
1286roguephenon
1287Certainly would give some more credit to ARCHIVE
1288planetarydecom
1289I'm just so full of contradicting things I've noticed I wanna explode
1290roguephenon
1291Like they ending when the guy says "They know"
1292Haha, no it' cool! It's really fun to think about.
1293planetarydecom
1294YUP. even if Warburton said that ep was not really canon, we know that parts of it are
1295that's where Benedict's unshadowed design and (adoptive?) last name came from
1296roguephenon
1297And given the nature of the show and Warburton himself, I wouldn't be surprised if this was an actual thing.
1298planetarydecom
1299or even, just enough of it.
1300I'm also curious that there was at least one historical human operative in the g:KND. but Monty says Nigel's gonna be the first from Earth
1301so either Monty lied, or…humans were once inhabiting some other planet
1302roguephenon
1303I'm imagining the KND accidentialy creating Grandfather as their version of the "Manahatten Project"
1304planetarydecom
1305OOOOOOOOOHHHH
1306oh my gosh that is a great idea
1307that's something to think about
1308roguephenon
1309then just running around screaming "WE SCREWED UP! WE SCREWED UP BIG!"
1310planetarydecom
1311WOW.
1312planetarydecom
1313Yeah that's. that's something to consider man I need to sit down
1314I want to do something with that if you don't mind me adopting it in some form in CYoS
1315roguephenon
1316"We aimed to create the world's most adulty adult...and we succeded."
1317planetarydecom
1318LOL
1319roguephenon
1320"Now WHY would we do that? Easy, Kevin dared me."
1321planetarydecom
1322ash ketchum KND kid is the One
1323roguephenon
1324And I don't mind you using that for CoYS! I actually really like this idea
1325planetarydecom
1326maybe they wanted to see if it was possible to affect the aging process permanently and screwed up so the settings skewed old instead of young
1327Me too
1328Now we need a way for him to be related to the Triplets, but that could be as easy as their kids (or nieces / nephews) being in the KND
1329planetarydecom
1330or their parent 'helping' with the project
1331IDEAS RACING
1332roguephenon
1333old g:KND scientists coming down to earth being all like "hey, we got this cool idea, wanna help?"
1334Earth KND says "sure!"
1335they do the thing
1336create Grandfather by accident.
1337g:KND is all like "yeah, about this? you're on your own"
1338planetarydecom
1339ehiasdjkgl
1340THAT'S NUMBUH 74.239 TO A T
1341roguephenon
1342they NOPE the heck out of there and just hope the problem will go away if that swipe it under the rug.
1343planetarydecom
1344they don't send in the g:KND to eradicate the threat because for once they're legitimately afraid grandfather could take over more planets than just his own
1345it's dangerous to let that threat to the universe go unopposed but it's even more dangerous to alert him to how many kids there are to oppress
1346roguephenon
1347Well Father's status on the site is "DANGER! DANGER" so if they're afraid of HIM...
1348planetarydecom
1349YEP
1350They probably think if he has even a fraction of Grandfather's power he's extremely dangerous, and he's got ways of finding out that the g:KND exists because that conspiracy got out of hand
1351roguephenon
1352lol they come back decades later
1353planetarydecom
1354YEP
1355roguephenon
1356"Heeeeeey, guys? You fixed that thing? Great! We had total and complete confidence in-"
1357planetarydecom
1358Speaking of, what do you make of Numbuh 0 / Numbuh 999 being 'Unknown' on the rainbowmonkeys site?
1359roguephenon
1360they see Father
1361roguephenon
1362"...BLOW THEM UP!"
1363I for real actually see that as Mr. W saying "yeah, I don't know what i'm doing with them either"
1364planetarydecom
1365Numbuh 74.239 intervenes, says, THAT'S CRAZY--CLEARLY, they should investigate all the potential resources on that planet and salvage any good science it can provide before they blow it up
1366roguephenon
1367but still acknowledging them
1368planetarydecom
1369I think it's indicative of something, I just don't know what. It depends really on who is running the g:KND site in the first place
1370roguephenon
1371"WAIT! We need to take back samples for science!"
1372they take Nigel
1373"That'll do it. BLOW 'EM UP!"
1374planetarydecom
1375Because ostensibly it's an Earth site that's a front for the g:KND. but then THAT'S a front that once hacked reveals confidential intel on the g:KND with the intention of saving Earth, including at least one site contributor who's conspiring with earth operatives
1376and LOL yes that's 74.239. he's an interesting one, I like how Warburton sets him up as an alien savior guy but at the same time drops some really sinister hints for later g:KND revelations
1377roguephenon
1378totally
1379planetarydecom
1380I want to know if Infinity and Numbuh 74.239 had any role on that website at all
1381roguephenon
1382I like his character and part of me wants to believe he really does mean well...he just happens to be on the side that wants to blow earth up, unfortunately.
1383It's possible?
1384planetarydecom
1385Because the latter at least ABSOLUTELY knows where Nigel's parents are…or he did at the end of INTERVIEWS.
1386Unless they disappeared in the interim, either the Earth mission operatives are keeping secrets, some of them are and some of them aren't, or some of them legitimately don't know or look into that website
1387roguephenon
1388I mean, in the follow-up they made where they revealed Lizzie was fine and was trying to help earth thru Wally and Kuki, he chimes in when she talks about Numbuh Moron, and she doesn't seem phased by it
1389planetarydecom
1390I could see Numbuh 74.239 tasking other operatives to maintain a database with really detailed notes on everyone and Lizzie is like "lol no' so she writes one-liners and he puts up with it because lizzie is a force of nature
1391True! So, I think he could well be in on the plan to save Earth (if there is one)
1392roguephenon
1393She's later attacked, yeah, but she hears 74.239 she gives no "oh shit, I've been caught" reaction
1394roguephenon
1395right away, at least
1396planetarydecom
1397If only because he thinks infested planets are quaint and in desperate need of investigation
1398Yeah I did notice that, it does imply they're working together which is good. But then it could also imply that he was the one who alerted the troops
1399and double-crossed
1400roguephenon
1401...or he's somehow related to the giant treehouses
1402planetarydecom
1403("Ah, yes. Earth. A third-world, if you will")
1404roguephenon
1405that's also a thought
1406planetarydecom
1407they're both plant based I do not think that's a coincidence
1408Maybe Earth is a more hospitable environment for them than space
1409Numbuh 74.239 is the head of the Deep Sea Lab too
1410roguephenon
1411Indeed.There's just so much about him that lets him go either way
1412planetarydecom
1413Yeah. He could be maybe an in-between figure which hasn't really happened in KND, where you just don't KNOW where his allegience is
1414instead of being presented as consistently one thing or revealed as another
1415there's an element of mystery
1416roguephenon
1417where isn't there an element of mystery in this show? haha
1418planetarydecom
1419however, I do think it's telling enough that he's not on the g:KND site that I wouldn't write him fully in the "Splinter Cell" in the g:KND outright who tries to give Earth a fighting chance
1420well, there's never a question of whether chad is good or evil--just he's good, then he's a traitor, then no he's good
1421there's no hint to it, no buildup or questioning. same with cree: she's evil
1422there aren't many villains that they have to question, and if they do it's not longer than one episode (Father in IT, etc)
1423so there's mystery just not about who sides where, if that makes sense? that I can think of off the top of my head
1424roguephenon
1425i getcha. same here now that i ponder it
1426planetarydecom
1427Infinity's also a fun to play with. My ridiculous but also serious headcanon is that he can see into the future of certain timelines
1428And the treaty in TREATY was absolutely supposed to go through without incident, but something about the g:KND's interference split it from the projected reality
1429roguephenon
1430I love Infinity, and that's a neat headcanon
1431planetarydecom
1432I kind of first thought about it because of WHITEHOUSE, it seemed really specific to one event for just a projection
1433so I wondered, maybe it was actually a future timeline that would have happened to Earth had Nigel not lost his hair
1434roguephenon
1435I personally headcanon that he's actually human. But like, I guess I see him, 74.239, and Lizzie in a weird trio and idk I just love the idea of there being one human watching the other two aliens "try to human"
1436planetarydecom
1437FFFT I think he's an alien but I am so on board with them 'trying to human.' trying so hard
1438roguephenon
1439That would be really cool. Him just staring for a second, then going "I know what alternate future to use, get this..."
1440planetarydecom
1441Lizzie needs a large human disguise to conceal all her vine appendages
1442planetarydecom
1443or maybe a test that this timeline's Nigel was loyal to the KND or at least not loyal to adults
1444even if he came from an infected planet
1445Mr. Warburton said once in an interview something that fascinated me, that Nigel's baldness had a whole plot behind it that had to do with the "galactic children" that he wanted to make into a movie or a special
1446roguephenon
1447Whoa really? That's wild.
1448planetarydecom
1449Let me dig it up, it was like the most casual of interviews with a student from his alma mater for an assignment so he was a little looser than he might have been for an official channel
1450roguephenon
1451I'm all for this.
1452Him being looser means more stuff to overanalyze for *laughs evily*
1453planetarydecom
1454RIGHT
1455http://mayshing.deviantart.com/journal/Interview-with-Tom-Warburton-of-The-Kids-Next-Door-214208059
1456roguephenon
1457He sits at home a night going "calm down, no one is going to find that interview"
1458roguephenon
1459*interview is found
1460planetarydecom
1461It's not a transcript so we can only go on the person's word, and they only posted the stuff from questions they collected from people on Deviantart (they hadn't watched KND I think so they were looking for relevant stuff to ask aside from the usual production trivia)
1462I wish so much there was a phone call recording, but alas.
1463http://mayshing.deviantart.com/journal/Interview-with-Tom-Warburton-of-The-Kids-Next-Door-214208059
1464oop I already posted that
1465also THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE ASKED SUCKED AND I RESENT THIS SO MUCH
1466roguephenon
1467SAME
1468planetarydecom
1469ASK FOR NAMES AND NUMBUHS FIRST ALWAYS ASK FOR THAT
1470THEN TIMELINES
1471roguephenon
1472it's a lose-lose situation either way. more casual people will ask things fans already know, and fans asks questions he can't answer
1473planetarydecom
1474but yeah someone did ask that and he answered with "Galactic Children" assuming there's no error in the reporting
1475he DOES answer questions about canon details sometimes, even if in a silly or thumb-nosed way. or he used to. he just hasn't for g:KND
1476roguephenon
1477Part of me believes that's a mistake and meant to read "Delightful Children" (since they are confirmed to have been behind that) but you never know
1478planetarydecom
1479he'd look for typos and stuff to focus on if they made errors
1480That's also a thought I had. I wondered if it was an error.
1481But since…well, Galactic KND is a thing he'd be talking about
1482I'm inclined to think that's the real quote
1483roguephenon
1484Same.
1485And yeah, he does do that interviews.
1486planetarydecom
1487I'm sure the Delightful Children are behind it, I'm just hung up on the detail that the "galactic" characters may have played a role. And if so, WHAT
1488planetarydecom
1489hence, headcanons about Timelines and Time Travel
1490roguephenon
1491He actually did an interview for something called cartoons against cancer a while back? that was pretty interesting.
1492lol someone actually DID ask if The Steve was Numbuh 100, I remember this now.
1493planetarydecom
1494I've heard about it, not sure if I watched! I need to get scripts for all of these I did listen to the Frederator one but it was all stuff I knew
1495LOL what did he say did he answer ong
1496roguephenon
1497He said no, but admitted it was a cool theory and seemed to think about for a second
1498planetarydecom
1499I don't think he was intended to be, but maybe it's an idea he'd adopt
1500that'd be cool. I wonder if he's legally allowed to do stuff like that
1501roguephenon
1502Yeah, that's what it felt like
1503Beats me
1504roguephenon
1505I remember he said a while back he legally can't comment on fanfic or something like that.
1506planetarydecom
1507I know he's not allowed to read fanfiction (or thinks he isn't) or hear about 'fan characters' even though of course kids would send in art and he's even posted some
1508roguephenon
1509which makes me forever sad
1510he had a tumblr (he just posts lunchbag art) and he even likes fanart from time to time
1511*has
1512planetarydecom
1513he loves tKg's stuff
1514roguephenon
1515He never reblogs anything, but he likes stuff.
1516planetarydecom
1517Yeah I think he has or SHOULD have more freedom now that he's not under any production for Cartoon Network, but he's also super super busy with other work
1518roguephenon
1519Oh yeah
1520planetarydecom
1521Like I think maybe he'd like to be active with the fandom again or at least his blog followers, but he just doesn't have the resources
1522
1523Yesterday at 10:58 PM
1524planetarydecom
1525He mentioned that he reads all the KND related emails but doesn't answer them anymore because he can't
1526or he's too busy
1527roguephenon
1528True. I mean, he's going to be an executive producer for the new muppet babies, so he's gotta be hella busy
1529planetarydecom
1530yeah. I don't think he can be developing a sunk g:KND concept while he's trying to manage a show because that process is all-consuming
1531and stuff he posts will probably relate more to that
1532so. Just working with every tidbit that can be read into
1533ergo, there was some axis in the timeline from an event that happened or didn't that determined the course of earth's future
1534and that was Nigel Uno having hair.
1535roguephenon
1536yeah, and with him working on this new show, there's definitely no chance of g:KND happening in the near future even he was still seriously considering
1537at least, it wouldn't happen with him behind the wheel
1538planetarydecom
1539I think it'll happen but it'll be another ten years and it probably won't be a cartoon
1540roguephenon
1541I feel like by then it might just get rebooted but who really knows.
1542I just think of it in terms of CN and them ultimately being a business and they aim stuff at kids.
1543planetarydecom
1544Well, I think Mr. Warburton will still do something with the characters because I /think/ he still has creative rights to the series in some capacity
1545roguephenon
1546And how most kids by then will probably be all like "what's a kid next door?" lol
1547planetarydecom
1548So it's not necessarily Cartoon Network behind the wheel, even if it's just him releasing an almanac for what the series would've been
1549roguephenon
1550I think owns creative rights as far as being acknowledged as the character, but right now, CN owns the rights to the show and whether a g:KND happens or not is entirely up to them
1551planetarydecom
1552It'd be a labor of love, not a merchandising series like KND
1553roguephenon
1554he could definitely do something like an almanac tho
1555planetarydecom
1556Oh, I see. It seemed like he did a LOT with the concept up to creating a stealth pilot vid without consulting which I don't think a series like…say Ben 10 could do on the creators' part
1557roguephenon
1558I mean, he did the g:KND experiment to drum up interest for him, and he didn't need their premission to do that
1559planetarydecom
1560because the last showrunner now doesn't even discuss it
1561yeah he didn't need permission, that's what makes me wonder tbh because I was thinking that he would
1562he has only mentioned cartoon network tho of course
1563but yeah even just material on his blog. I'd kill for that
1564roguephenon
1565well if this year was any indication, we'll hopefully get some more info around April this upcoming year
1566planetarydecom
1567YUP.
1568just keep trailing the breadcrumbs!!
1569even if it's one update per year, I'll take it. it's been 10
1570roguephenon
1571maybe he'll even give an actual slice of bread
1572planetarydecom
1573one can only hope (and hope, and hope, and hope)
1574even something to revitalize the fandom again
1575roguephenon
1576It definitely gave the fandom a generous kickstart
1577planetarydecom
1578yep, I wish it was still going but there's definitely more than there was and I'm grateful
1579roguephenon
1580yep yep
1581planetarydecom
1582even though I actually missed the hype train by a year and now am just following the tracks
1583in fact I'm almost happier that way because now that it's mostly at a stop I can take everything we know and work with it without stressing so much that it'll be unravelled in a month
1584roguephenon
1585same here. I actually left the fandom for a while in 2012 and didn't even start being active (writing fic) until this year, about half a year after the teaser happen
1586planetarydecom
1587yeah. I am garbage at code-cracking so I'm glad I didn't end up going nuts during the buildup trying
1588roguephenon
1589oooh yeah. really glad to have avoided that.
1590roguephenon
1591like, I was AWARE and didn't like, find out after the fact, I just didn't try and involve myself.
1592planetarydecom
1593although we did find out from that the detail about saturn being "decom past"
1594so now I am left to wonder whether humans used to live there, or rainbow monkeys, or perhaps 9L or one of the plant guys' species
1595roguephenon
1596It's hard to say, really
1597planetarydecom
1598I'm inclined to think rainbow monkeys have /something/ to do with it because the planet is currently a plushie graveyard
1599roguephenon
1600KND is one of those shows that, while it has it rules on how things, logics, and pyshics work, it seems literally ANYTHING can happen
1601planetarydecom
1602yes! so you can go wild and you can be wildly correct or wildly out in left field, and it's hard to find a balance
1603roguephenon
1604yeah, it's just a good show in that regard.
1605like, yeah, it has it's flaws and problems, but we're still here years later nerding out about it lol
1606planetarydecom
1607yeah. I wish there was less…spontaneity in introducing elements that are immediately given to us as A HUGE DEAL AND EVERYONE KNEW THIS
1608planetarydecom
1609right? I love shows that have that much effort put into the world and continuity
1610I spent a good two years in Young Justice hell and the better part of a year in Code Lyoko
1611roguephenon
1612Young Justice skipped me over, but I remember Code Lyoko
1613That wild in a different way
1614planetarydecom
1615there's so much backstory it's insane and Code Lyoko: evolution was like adding an entire new half to it
1616But ultimately KND is so charming because you can play around in that universe and be detail-oriented or just random and it's still probably believable
1617roguephenon
1618That's why i really like writing for it. I don't know, that sort of freedom it gives challenges me in a way.
1619planetarydecom
1620yeah
1621it's a different sort of challenge too, coming up with serious stuff because you need something linear to tie the world together
1622but then executing it in the most kiddie way possible
1623planetarydecom
1624if that makes any sense
1625roguephenon
1626it does
1627there's a short idea i want to try and get up with halloween and revolves around kids losing their balloons
1628need to flesh it out, but the idea is when a kids loses grip of their balloon, the KND either retrieves it, or pops before it floats away
1629or else the kid who let go lets go of their soul
1630roguephenon
1631and as weird and out there as that is, it still feel like it would work in this world
1632at least I HOPE it does...
1633planetarydecom
1634that's a really cute idea and I support it
1635that's exactly the kind of horrifying yet casual thing you'd find in KND, yanno?
1636like sure, send all the little girls to Pluto, who cares
1637roguephenon
1638or stuff 'em into soda bottles, cause that totally works
1639planetarydecom
1640yup!!
1641like the backstories I have for Numbuh 60 and Numbuh 44 kind of feel excessively / needlessly complicated or melodramatic but
1642none of it actually is a super-huge deal for them
1643because it's KND and sure you can take care of yourself at 7-8 years old, kids do it all the time
1644roguephenon
1645exactly, it may be melodramatic, but it won't get treated that way. Or at least in the way one would expect someone to treat it.
1646roguephenon
1647Like, KND at heart is a very, very silly show. But it treats serious stuff with just the right touch of respect that it blends well into the style of the show
1648planetarydecom
1649Exactly
1650The scenes with the tapioca factories were really impactful because, on the one hand, the premise is kids slaving in an 1800s-style factory to make silly pudding
1651but on the other hand it's set up exactly like child labor that actually exists / has existed and it's not played either for full realistic effect or full realistic ridiculousness
1652roguephenon
1653It shows it for what it is, gives a respectful pause for you to digest, then moves on with what's it's trying to do
1654planetarydecom
1655yeah, exactly. they touch on that stuff in exactly the right manner.
1656stuff like Harvey and the DCFDTL being brainwashed kids is kind of where the borderline hits and you just have to move forward with it
1657roguephenon
1658KND
1659just. KND haha
1660yeah
1661planetarydecom
1662http://planetarydecom.tumblr.com/post/152366336571/knd
1663yeah
1664I've got a playlist on my junk laptop to play KND episodes in a loop on Youtube. It's operation HOSPITAL
1665Cree literally is about to stick a drill into someone's ear to scrambify their brain
1666this has happened to operatives, it's a thing
1667planetarydecom
1668KND
1669roguephenon
1670...yeah, you're definitely going to scramble something with that Cree.
1671planetarydecom
1672THEY NEVER SHOW BLOOD
1673like they can say 'die' and 'killed' and 'suicide' but never show blood
1674roguephenon
1675probably what Mr. W screams at the censors when they question things like that
1676planetarydecom
1677that's kind of the line, I guess, though the g:KND would be darker in tone
1678lol I think he was just very very good at being able to write just enough to not be questioned
1679except Pottymouth, who for some reason the censors left with the worst option possible for his dialogue
1680roguephenon
1681I love Pottymouth just for what he tried to do with him.
1682planetarydecom
1683I wish his script had been bleeped
1684roguephenon
1685Saaaaaame
1686planetarydecom
1687I love that the character designers just adamantly fell in love with that one character
1688and tried so hard to get him in things
1689they latched onto the OTHER toilet guy
1690roguephenon
1691Yet for some reason, they kept the "Drop-a-Log" ride
1692planetarydecom
1693YUP
1694what a way to go
1695roguephenon
1696proof some days network censors just go "put it in, I'm ready to go home."
1697planetarydecom
1698LOL
1699I thought it was just like the most undignified thing especially since the DCFDTL's loss was actually kind of a poignant moment and felt really final
1700planetarydecom
1701then they got flushed in a callback to FOUNTAIN and met their inglorious end
1702roguephenon
1703Their last line tho...
1704just some broken "no
1705planetarydecom
1706YES
1707that 'no' just
1708kills me
1709because they scream and then they just…realize
1710they knew this was the end you could kind of tell
1711I wonder if it wasn't their first thirteenth birthday
1712roguephenon
1713yeah. it's like they intentionally put it against the backdrop of this ridiculious theme park to try and lessen the impact on purpose.
1714planetarydecom
1715I mean, that's the essence of the KND spirit, too
1716It's real drama and a battle and there's real stakes, but they're still kids and kids like poop jokes
1717roguephenon
1718true. cause I'm sure seeing it against anything else would've made it ten times more worse
1719"I always wondered how they went to the bathroom together."
1720TOO SOON NIGEL
1721planetarydecom
1722MR. WARBURTON MUST HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THAT ONE-LINER FOR YEARS. /YEARS/
1723I pity the Delightfuls so much by the end of the series, they're just unhinged because their brains aren't designed for constantly losing
1724roguephenon
1725"Cry. Cry. CRY! CRY ALL YOU WANT! I DON'T CARE! Six seasons. I've held in that gold for Six. SEASONS."
1726planetarydecom
1727WE CRIED.
1728roguephenon
1729so hard
1730roguephenon
1731there was a lot of surprising finality to those last couple of episodes.
1732planetarydecom
1733yep.
1734it felt like about three seasons' worth of development crammed into one at a breakneck pace once ZERO was done
1735warburton was already planning g:KND so he spent the last of it finally having mercy and giving us a few more codenames, sector leaders, characters, etc.
1736roguephenon
1737in least how it was handled? yeah, they were building up to a conclusion, but you would almost expect a show like KND to end with "yeah, they won this last epic adventure. they'll have more, but that's just all you get to see"
1738planetarydecom
1739it was extremely linear and EXTREMELY final. like, fandom-breakingly so
1740because now all those TND / high school headcanons were in dire jeopardy
1741roguephenon
1742exactly
1743like, it felt like the ending in ZERO was the sort of ending the show would have.
1744planetarydecom
1745still the case
1746roguephenon
1747but it kept going after that.
1748planetarydecom
1749yeah some fans thought ZERO should've been the ending and I can see where they're coming from but
1750I love Season 6 in all its insane glory
1751roguephenon
1752and then it stopped in a way no one expected.
1753Same here.
1754planetarydecom
1755yeah. g:KND got planned fast and it got foreshadowed hard
1756I love seeing more of the global KND, I love it
1757roguephenon
1758Like, I'm probably in the camp that wouldn't have minded if it ended at ZERO, but I love season 6 too much to say it, y'know?
1759there was a lot of good stuff in that season
1760planetarydecom
1761Same. ZERO /feels/ like the finale, season 6 feels like…
1762planetarydecom
1763you know I hontestly think if ZERO had been the penultimate and season 6 had been like, divided maybe 2 episodes apiece to earlier seasons
1764it would have been more coherent for the series
1765roguephenon
1766Tbh? Looking at it now, season 6 felt like they thought they were going to get a season 7, but the network decided season 6 would be it.
1767planetarydecom
1768with INTERVIEWS being the end end
1769I think they knew and tried to fit everything in at once. (Luckily it worked out better than Young Justice.)
1770Season 6 felt like fanservice and sequel plugging and I'm cool with that
1771roguephenon
1772so he had to give an "ending" in INTERVIEWS but still leave it open for the things he had plans for.
1773planetarydecom
1774tie up some loose ends
1775roguephenon
1776yeah, that exactly sums it up
1777planetarydecom
1778which again, that's why I move the chronology of like 3-4 episodes alone just to place WHITEHOUSE a lot earlier in the series than Season 5
1779planetarydecom
1780because I think that's when Nigel started being evaluated, not when he was given his final test
1781roguephenon
1782I see where you're coming from, and it honestly makes a lot more sense that way
1783planetarydecom
1784I know it's a stretch and we're probably supposed to accept at face value that Sector V is eternally ten, just
1785we /know/ that isn't true. and I make myself feel better about the switch by the fact that there are only Season 1-2 villains in Nigel & Chester's hallucinations
1786roguephenon
1787I feel you. And there's nothing to say that actually isn't the case either.
1788planetarydecom
1789and with the 'but Cavallero was in it' WELL LET'S SAY THAT BACK IN SEASON 2 HE WAS A KND OPERATIVE AND NIGEL KNEW HIM
1790roguephenon
1791It had continuity, but only when it really wanted it.
1792planetarydecom
1793yeah. and warburton seemed to have no qualms being like 'oh that was actually earlier even though it aired the season after'
1794so I figured that's permission enough to do the same
1795roguephenon
1796yeah. like I said, to me there's really only before and after ZERO.
1797roguephenon
1798beyond episodes that do have obvious continutity and ties to certain things, the timeline is up for grabs.
1799planetarydecom
1800I'll always be unable to feel at ease until I have something worked out that feels, if not canonical, than /fitting/ in canon
1801this is because I hate myself.
1802roguephenon
1803no worries, i understand the feeling completely.
1804again, I still sob at "RUNNING THIS SHOW FOR FIVE YEARS!"
1805five years
1806planetarydecom
1807chad is so full of himself oh my god
1808roguephenon
1809endless echo
1810endless tears
1811planetarydecom
1812LIES
1813roguephenon
1814it gets worse if you imagine tiny Chad screaming it
1815planetarydecom
1816like the rational part of my brain says "just write tiny Global Command babies that's what you wanted" and then the anal part says NO WE HAVE TO FIGURE EVERYTHING OUT FIRST
1817tiny chad
1818god
1819just him surrounded by these other kids who are, astoundingly, even tinier
1820he is their god
1821roguephenon
1822"Five years, my tiny brethen. FIVE YEARS!"
1823planetarydecom
1824Fanny nods and continues sucking her thumb. Rachel scowls but does not disagree
1825Numbuh 100 gives Chad a medal or something and the cycle goes on
1826planetarydecom
1827I have a very vague file idea for around 3-4 years ago with Chad basically his tinyself and having to defend one of the KND bases with little!Fanny and Rachel and Patton inside and a bunch of other babbies
1828planetarydecom
1829from hideous scary teenagers
1830(for FIVE YEARS-)
1831roguephenon
1832Going off the headcanon of 100 tagging him as a joke, not only does Chad ever not figure it out, 100 for some reason forgets to tag someone before he is decommissioned.
1833planetarydecom
1834I'm sure he had other things on his mind
1835roguephenon
1836operatives start freaking out only for Chad to go, what are you talking about, I'm Supreme Leader
1837planetarydecom
1838Or he'd assume that the last person to touch him when it's time to decide a leader is IT
1839the operatives accept this. they are fine with this.
1840roguephenon
1841they just assume 100 tagged him before he left, and he assumes they were caught up in missing 100
1842planetarydecom
1843(Chad insists we have always been at war with Eastasia, and also he has been Supreme Leader for two years already)
1844roguephenon
1845so Chad goes on Supreme Leader
1846planetarydecom
1847that's just. it's such a fantastic headcanon, I'm
1848roguephenon
1849...without ever figuring out he was never officially the Supreme Leader
1850planetarydecom
1851it warms my heart with how arrogant and perfect it is
1852roguephenon
1853i will stick to this unless mr. w says otherwise
1854planetarydecom
1855I am glad of this. Don't ever change
1856like if it worked for CYoS in the outline I have I'd adopt it in a heartbeat
1857I may in the future for unrelated / humor fics or maybe a shared universe for those like the Sector Z domcom
1858roguephenon
1859haha that's be awesome and I'd be extremely flattered
1860planetarydecom
1861It's just too good
1862roguephenon
1863:D
1864planetarydecom
1865Soda-runk headcanons are the best
1866roguephenon
1867they truly are
1868planetarydecom
1869I mean, aside from horribly sad things because I like to rip out hearts
1870roguephenon
1871i've been told I do that, but I swear it's all unintentional lol
1872except when it ISN'T I supposed, but then it's rather obvious I think
1873planetarydecom
1874I really don't know where I fall on the scale, I just get a lot of WHAT NO [X] CHARACTER ISN'T SUPPOSED TO END UP LIKE THIS RATTLES ME which is 100% the intention
1875roguephenon
1876I dig it!
1877roguephenon
1878I just remembered something that ties back to minor character theatre
1879planetarydecom
1880MINOR CHARACTER THEATRE
1881zooms back in at the speed of light
1882roguephenon
1883but have you ever had moments where you write your fav minor character, and you're reminded they're a minor character because someone thinks that minor character is an OC?
1884i ask cause that happened once and it was an experience lol
1885planetarydecom
1886oh god I haven't had that happen, but
1887I'm afraid of someone making that assumption with Numbuh 44 or 35/23
1888and those are the relatively well-known ones. for fandom members at least
1889just wait until I have a chapter with the future cadets who're all 5-7 aged one-timers from other episodes
1890(Numbuh 4 is a rather terrible Drill Sergeant Supreme left to his own devices)
1891Which operative, if I may ask?
1892roguephenon
1893that will be interesting to see, you'll have to tell me how it goes.
1894Numbuh 80, funny enough
1895planetarydecom
1896YUP. Am I remembering correctly he was a one-timer? From Season 6 no less?
1897He's like, fandom doomed
1898roguephenon
1899YUP
1900planetarydecom
1901it's like HOW DARE YOU THIS CHARACTER IS SO IMPORTANT and then omit the (to me) at the end
1902roguephenon
1903I just found it funny. On one, I felt like I probably should've made a note of that.
1904planetarydecom
1905on the other HE HAS A WIKI PAGE and unlike many of them, it isn't just something someone made up and has sources
1906roguephenon
1907On other, yeah, exactly that
1908planetarydecom
1909it's so satisfying to do stuff with minor operatives I know from other series it's devastating when you do and LOL NO ONE CARES
1910roguephenon
1911And after I'm just like "oh my god, he actually had a codenumbuh, talked and everything. I don't know what's gonna happen if I bring out a nameless background character that appeared twice."
1912haha, yuuuup
1913planetarydecom
1914what was his other episode, if you don't mind me asking?
1915I haven't watched Season 6 as closely as other episodes because there's so MUCH that I can only process a bit at a time
1916and I missed it on the first airing
1917roguephenon
1918oh no, Numbuh 80 only appears in SCIENCE. I referring to other background characters. my bad
1919roguephenon
1920tho I also could be wrong, as I havent watched season 6 too closely either and for all I know he appeared in the background for one more episode after that
1921planetarydecom
1922he might've showed in Interviews or Moonbase crowd scenes. they used a lot of operatives
1923obviously some got repeated but the international ones were more prominent after Season 4
1924and Sector N, even though I don't know all of them
1925roguephenon
1926very true
1927planetarydecom
1928I'm glad for that because it gives me a few older kids I can write as new Teenz by the time g:KND era rolls around or even before
1929roguephenon
1930I hear that.
1931planetarydecom
1932I am just sorely lacking in teens for flashbacks because there are no college-age students in the KND universe. none
1933I have like, the golf villain who's maybe 20 and living with his Mom I could use, and…
1934That's it.
1935roguephenon
1936I can't think of anyone else that can fit the bill either, sadly
1937And the concept of college itself was only messed around with in one episode
1938planetarydecom
1939IT HAD NO STUDENTS  LOL
1940there is only high school -> MIDDLE AGE
1941roguephenon
1942College is just a different plane of existence
1943planetarydecom
1944that may just be a chapter where I throw up my hands and use generic teen goons who don't address each other by name or have defining characteristics
1945roguephenon
1946what about King Sandy's cousins?
1947planetarydecom
1948I think they're teenagers now? Although he did mention they go to "knight school" which could be a play on night school
1949I'm inclined to think he programmed whatever the heck technology goes into their helmets himself, since they seem too harmless to be teenz or former teenz when not in-character
1950but that is an idea.
1951( I love King Sandy if the icon didn't give it away. The little creep.)
1952roguephenon
1953I always just saw them as guys heavy into LARPing and they got their fix by playing with the cousin which doubled as babysitting
1954rock on
1955planetarydecom
1956I can see that side too. Like maybe Sandy is just super spoiled and they are unreasonably indulgent with him, maybe he was a sickly kid so they treat him special
1957but then there seems to be very much a break in reality between when they have their helmets and not
1958so maybe knight school is something Sandy made up to help them be better…uh, knights
1959roguephenon
1960either way is valid, I think. Tho the idea of helmets that influence them sounds pretty sweet
1961and "knight school" HA
1962planetarydecom
1963Nothing as dramatic as the Boyfriend Helmets either, and they actually have a vague idea (or think they do) what it is but they're cool with it because it's like a game for them
1964Also I think Sandy is somehow collecting taxes from people who hang out on his beach or doing something else to get money because he can get anything he needs without much trouble
1965roguephenon
1966"He's a king."
1967"How can you tell?"
1968"He ain't got sand all over 'im."
1969planetarydecom
1970I headcanon that his name is legit Sandy King
1971he believes this makes him a king.
1972maybe there's even some weird beach ritual in his backstory that involves the supernatural and absurdly specific beach-themed title and power bestowment a la Guatemala
1973planetarydecom
1974I mean there's no reason I couldn't write him as the weird Toiletnator of the beach
1975roguephenon
1976Something with merminds and plastic beach toys and pails I bet
1977planetarydecom
1978YUP.
1979the ancient bucket of power
1980the discarded band-aids of prosperity
1981the broken shell of glory
1982only he who can assemble all three in the right spot at the time between tides is worthy of being king of the beach
1983roguephenon
1984"Strange mermaids lying in the shallows distrubuting buckets is no basis for a system of government."
1985planetarydecom
1986like, I half-assed that so bad and it sounds like something that could be in an episode with some flourishes added on
1987roguephenon
1988"Maybe...but this is Florida."
1989planetarydecom
1990mermaids would be great
1991Sandy's cousins try to point out that the country they live in is a democracy
1992Sandy tells him to SILENCE
1993this isn't that country, this is the beach and he is king :|
1994roguephenon
1995I love it
1996planetarydecom
1997silly stuff like that
1998roguephenon
1999I can't help but see it all go down is some fashion in a Monty Python like homage.
2000planetarydecom
2001I adore Sandy and Mushi, I don't care if they're five I'm going to write them as being a couple when they're teenagers
2002roguephenon
2003King Sandy and the Holy Pail
2004planetarydecom
2005trioauehs;jk;f
2006planetarydecom
2007YOU GO TO PUN JAIL
2008roguephenon
2009JOKES ON YOU I'M ALREADY THERE
2010planetarydecom
2011that may have to be a separate story if I'm allowed to steal the title and you're not gonna do it
2012roguephenon
2013go for it!
2014planetarydecom
2015SANDY IS THE BEST SILLY VILLAIN
2016and Mushi is completely berserk and they are perfect
2017roguephenon
2018it's one of those things I would like to to, but think I would have much more fun reading :D
2019and I agree
2020planetarydecom
2021she has more 2x4 and combat experience at 5 than her sister and Hoagie did at 8
2022she's probably got investments in the stock market
2023planetarydecom
2024by the time she's seven or eight I imagine she has 11ty billion lifetime groundings
2025roguephenon
2026"Dearest, aren't you grounded?"
2027"Yes. Water is also wet. Fascinating stuff, right?"
2028planetarydecom
2029she goes more unhinged with each grounding. at a certain number, she becomes a supernatural force that must be dealt with by the KND before she explodes the neighborhood
2030planetarydecom
2031maybe grounding makes you more grounded, literally. at a point past the ordinary human limit of grounding, she sinks to the center of the earth
2032roguephenon
2033She creates her own gravitational pull that's slowly sucking in and grounding all those around her
2034planetarydecom
2035yes
2036yes, this
2037that's the perfect extrapolation
2038sandy tries to help his queen and ends up grounded himself. his knights carry a message to the KND offering a royal pardon if they get mushi back before she grounds herself and him for the entirety of time and space
2039planetarydecom
2040also, like, money, because money talks.
2041roguephenon
2042"Are you serious? You expect me to put my childhood on the line and risk being grounded forever to help-"
2043"His most royal majesty has also agreed to pay bank."
2044"-I would not be able to sleep at night if I didn't help a lady in weighting."
2045Y'know
2046weighting
2047planetarydecom
2048yep
2049roguephenon
2050because it sounds like waiting
2051planetarydecom
2052Wally is predictable and I love him
2053roguephenon
2054because, with the gravity and...
2055roguephenon
2056...yeah.
2057planetarydecom
2058Wally is also terribly stupid
2059and I love him
2060roguephenon
2061I do as well.
2062planetarydecom
2063I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE I'M TRYING TO BLAME IT ON NUMBUH 4
2064because he or Hoagie would say that
2065roguephenon
2066*laughs from the safety of pun jail*
2067planetarydecom
2068more likely Hoagie, I guess
2069okay but imagine you have to share that cell with The Tommy, is that the life you want to live
2070they unground Mushi. she almost forgives them. then hoagie says something innocuous at the very end that gets her another grounding and all is unforgiven
2071planetarydecom
2072Sandy pays his reward in Sea Glass because that's like the coolest thing you can find in the ocean, it counts as currency
2073Sea glass or seashells
2074roguephenon
2075"Aw, it's okay Mushi. We all go a little bonkers and level the entire neighborhood with our on sheer gravitational force sometimes."
2076Genki walks in.
2077"She did WHAT!?"
2078Instant re-grounding
2079planetarydecom
2080LEVELING THE NEIGHORHOOD IS ONE THING, BUT I TOLD YOU NOT TO MESS WITH THE GRAVITY IN THIS HOUSE
2081GROUNDED
2082she snarls that she'll be out by the end of her naptime
2083by the time she's Kuki's age I imagine that she's really not at home much anymore and she and Sandy are holed up in some (sand) castle of doom
2084roguephenon
2085The sand ALWAYS gives it awat
2086planetarydecom
2087YEP.
2088roguephenon
2089I'm wondering how they would unground her without parental involvement.
2090planetarydecom
2091he's so angry when the planetary decom nonsense starts because the moon gets knocked out of orbit and the new tide wrecks his best castle
2092roguephenon
2093Either Kani gets roped into this, or they ended up forced to use an enchanted "get out of jail free card"
2094planetarydecom
2095she's still grounded. so she's decided that rather than living life in the slammer she'd rather lope
2096or did you mean for the ultimate grounding plot
2097I think they get Genki to do it, or maybe her grandparent(s)
2098or they get Numbuh 3 left in charge with enough authority to authorize ungroundings
2099I do love the enchanted get out of grounding card, though
2100roguephenon
2101Kuki being left in charge gives the idea of using Numbuh 10-to-Midnight
2102He invokes a dark, forbidden ritual that grants a child the parental authority of an adult
2103But the power is very corruptive.
2104planetarydecom
2105and we know exactly what happens when Numbuh 3 gets too much power
2106she probably remembers her fallen rainbow monkeys and wants to ground mushi to the center of the world, thereby creating a gravitational vortex great enough to simultaneously ground all other children on earth
2107roguephenon
2108haha yes
2109planetarydecom
2110idk if wally talks her down or mushi herself, or maybe sandy risks tripling his own grounding by sneaking out
2111there's probably an appeal to the power of love, numbuh 2 reminds her that she's becoming the perp
2112roguephenon
2113yeah, so much going down and things are just crumbling around them
2114I'm also just a sucker for an excuse to make a dark ritual
2115planetarydecom
2116it all comes down to rainbow monkey morals in the end
2117yes exactly
2118more dark rituals with terrifying power and based on something absolutely trite
2119roguephenon
2120I almost want it to be Rachel. Like, Supreme Leaders granting adult authority is a dark secret and burden they must bear
2121But 10-to-Midnight was so good from the comic
2122planetarydecom
2123I like the idea of Supreme Leaderness being its own thing, but. I do think 10-to-Midnight is more fitting
2124do we know what sector he's from?
2125(joe balooka also makes an obligatory cameo. of course)
2126roguephenon
2127I don't think so
2128unless I missed it
2129planetarydecom
2130I'm trying to think of Spoopy sectors he might have fit into
2131Sector X comes to mind but there's only supernatural there in the form of nerds
2132planetarydecom
2133…on second thought wow he has a lot of the check barks under 'nerd' KND design ticked from the braces and overbite alone, maybe he's from the bayou
2134roguephenon
2135That makes a scary amount of sense
2136planetarydecom
2137Numbuh 78's life is misery.
2138headcanon accepted
2139roguephenon
2140Poor child
2141planetarydecom
2142Man these episodes I'm playing in the background just fill me with affection for all these minor characters
2143I bet I could come up with a history for the Six-Gum Gang
2144roguephenon
2145I'd Love to here that
2146roguephenon
2147They are another minor set I love but haven't gotten around to
2148planetarydecom
2149I'll bet Runt was Wally's fault. Because honestly what non-President gallagher villain isn't eventually wally's fault
2150HE WEDGIE'D THE WRONG PERSON
2151HE STUCK GUM IN THE WRONG HAIR
2152roguephenon
2153...again
2154planetarydecom
2155again.
2156Like I imagine an alternate universe for Sector V sometimes where Nigel was never recruited and yeah all of them probably go evil or insane,
2157it's probably similar to DNK but without the Negative Numbuh 1 and Eizel
2158roguephenon
2159I would imagine so. Wally is really interesting to think about if he was never recruited
2160And to large extent, what sector v might be like if they didn't meet each other period
2161roguephenon
2162Sorry for the pauses, I'm at dinner
2163planetarydecom
2164oh no it's fine I'm writing too!
2165I think wally would have been like possibly the worst bully in gallagher history.
2166abigail would have given up hope and joined her sister long ago, though it never felt right
2167numbuh 3 was a sweet nice girl and then like one thing happened to unleash her evil side but she had no friends to bring it back so she is just bringing fear into the hearts of anyone who risk making her mad. Hoagie is a crooked hall monitor with a bleak outlook
2168planetarydecom
2169the tommy is forever bored, and whines about how boring everything is
2170roguephenon
2171I love these, they sound spot on.
2172roguephenon
2173also in regards to writing, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind if I took a shot at the Mushi grounding thing, unless you're already writing it/plan on writing it
2174planetarydecom
2175!!!!
2176no that would be so great!!
2177planetarydecom
2178please by all means go for it, all the best workable parts were your ideas (and god knows I have enough on my plate, even for mushi/sandy alone)
2179I still will consider it my personal headcanon for a future timeline event, if not a mentioned one :|a
2180roguephenon
2181haha thank you. but you got the ball rolling and gave a lot to it too
2182planetarydecom
2183if i can bring any fics with tiny tots into the world, or even potential fics, I am pleased
2184roguephenon
2185i shall not let you down then :D
2186but the gravitational grounding thing really got me inspired, so I had to ask
2187planetarydecom
2188it's such a KND concept
2189like, truly
2190roguephenon
2191It's concepts like that I just really LOVE
2192planetarydecom
2193there's not enough fic like that. i feel like I should write more of that even in the short snippets I post
2194roguephenon
2195I'm always down for more jazz like that.
2196Plus seeing more of it in your snippets would be awesome.
2197It makes me think of the short with Patton and 44 twins. The entire chapter felt like a slice of life concept for KND
2198Patton barricading himself to extreme measures only to find out it's only for tutoring.
2199I really enjoyed that one :D
2200planetarydecom
2201yeah, I knew it really needed something lighter after three drama-ish chapters in a row, even if most of them are drama just because it's easier to write
2202but it still needs to feel like KND
2203and I'm so glad you liked it ugh, I am in love with writtng all of those three
2204roguephenon
2205it really shows!
2206planetarydecom
2207and I think Patton gets a bad rep in fic as being somehow sensible and reasonable mainly because if you're shipping him with 86 of course anyone will look that way by comparison. but he is not calm or the comedy straight man. he is the opposite of that
2208roguephenon
2209I agree. He's written as senisble a little too often. He's loud, over the top, and is not afraid of showing it.
2210roguephenon
2211That being said, I CAN understand how easy it is to fall into writing him the straight man trope.  I actually wrote him a bit like one in LEMON.
2212planetarydecom
2213he eats ice cream for every meal and he lives in antarctica
2214so sensible
2215I mean, that's the thing, comparatively speaking he usually is!
2216That just…doesn't mean he actually is
2217roguephenon
2218Yeah! It really depends on who he's standing against, and so far, he stands against extremes like 86. And in my case, 10 recently.
2219Though I try and write that as more of commentary on how their relationship works rather than say that's how he is.
2220roguephenon
2221In LEMON 10 became a bit more unhinged, and Patton was played as more a straight man for the dynamic in that story to work.
2222But I guess I'm trying to show that the reverse happens a lot too? I have idea where Patton becomes his unhinges self, and 10 seems the more rational of the two.
2223planetarydecom
2224yeah, like, they're not static. they change depending on the situation
2225planetarydecom
2226that's part of writing
2227roguephenon
2228in a previous fic, CAPER, I had it where their dynamic was played against them, and someone wanted Patton to lose it and go off on 10.
2229yeah, and that's why I like writing them so much right now. they have this one-up kind of relationship with one another, but sometimes one of them goes too far and the other has to reign it in.
2230and I suddenly don't know why i'm sounding defensive about this now haha wow. sorry about that
2231planetarydecom
2232it's okay! I do the same thing but tbh I love reading the take on the characters, especially how they might interact
2233(I wrote like an essay pointing out all the things that I don't enjoy about Numbuh 2 the other day and, here's the thing, I don't even dislike him it's more that I don't love him quite as fanatically if even that)
2234roguephenon
2235Ah really? How did it come to that?
2236I mean, I get not loving a character and of course there are going to be things people don't like about him, he's got flaws, but I guess like how did it come where you needed to explain why?
2237roguephenon
2238I guess like I'm of the mindset you don't need to have some essay ready to justify why you don't like character so and so at all times lol
2239planetarydecom
2240it was a thing where we were on the topic already of disliked characters and both agreeing that was fine, because I like Harvey and 65.3 and Ebony didn't
2241planetarydecom
2242and I mentioned I didn't like Numbuh 2 as much for certain reasons and then she wanted to know what they were, and basically it boils down to 'i didn't watch those movies so all I get is the literal archetype he's acting from and sometimes it's outdated enough values to be skeevy'
2243roguephenon
2244Oh like his weird James Bond/smooth detective guy thing?
2245planetarydecom
2246yes
2247roguephenon
2248ah I get where you're coming from now
2249planetarydecom
2250the detective one isn't bad but I hate his james bond stuff because it mostly boils down to "harass cree" -> "actually is lame and has no chance with cree" -> "keeps trying" and that's hilarious I guess
2251roguephenon
2252yeah. that really never...set too right with me.
2253like his whole thing with Cree in general
2254planetarydecom
2255I know what they were going for and it's meant to put Hoagie as a butt of a joke, but. it's uncomfortable because, like, the character isn't the real butt of the joke if he's walking away with the impression that he's still very much standing a chance
2256roguephenon
2257I GET it and UNDERSTOOD what it was trying to do/what the joke was, but I never found it funny. more just like, uncomfortable.
2258planetarydecom
2259exactly!
2260planetarydecom
2261I have some of that with the Western episodes that get too specific with it in making parallels, like the kindergarten "tribes" that are bad mockeries of stereotypes that were already bad mockeries, and also racist
2262which like. yes that's exactly what you'd put in a western film
2263but a western film doesn't translate to Y2K without some discrepancy because it's not that era anymore and uh, it's outdated
2264roguephenon
2265yeah! it's like, you can have your western, but if you think can't have your western without all that outdated/racist parallels and such, then no. you shouldn't have your western.
2266roguephenon
2267the train robbery episode was a much better example, i think.
2268planetarydecom
2269A+. you nailed it. gold star
2270tip for referencing old and sometimes archaic media without making it equally anachronistic to any modern sense of societal values
2271and yes I love that episode. Six-Gum gang!
2272roguephenon
2273Exactly!
2274roguephenon
2275had your western theme, cheesy western line, and riff of the old western train robbery plot with original characters who also totally fit the western theme
2276planetarydecom
2277And we got some glimpses into school society, since I believe this was S3 when all that was just starting to become a fixture
2278roguephenon
2279yeah. A really, really good episode
2280planetarydecom
2281exactly
2282roguephenon
2283that DIDN'T need to use all that other...stuff as a crutch.
2284planetarydecom
2285and then we got that awful episode of Tommy taking a bath of William Shatner in the same season, what the hell
2286roguephenon
2287because, surprise, you don't need to
2288planetarydecom
2289*featuring Willam Shatner
2290roguephenon
2291OH GOD I FORGOT ABOUT THAT
2292planetarydecom
2293and no you don't!
2294I WISH I COULD
2295planetarydecom
2296IT WAS THE MOST POINTLESS EPISODE I DIDN'T THINK I COULD HATE AN EP FOR ITS POINTLESSNESS MORE THAN SHOGUN BUT THEN THIS HAPPENED
2297roguephenon
2298knd part of my brain is like "there's got to be SOME sense behind this episode"
2299then it looks into the hole and says "No sense here!"
2300and you don't understand how much I FORGOT this episode.
2301planetarydecom
2302I mean, sure, there was the fascinating twist at the end where it maybe WASN'T a dream and the ducky WAS evil and oh my god no one cares it's not coming up again
2303roguephenon
2304a few years ago, I was trying to put together a fic dealing with the subjects of kids and baths because I thought there wasn't an episode about kids and bath.
2305THAT'S HOW MUCH I FORGOT THIS EPISODE
2306planetarydecom
2307I know Mr. W was probably dying to to a Star Trek episode and I know he loves the Gilligan boys and I know he thinks it's hilarious when Tommy's naked but
2308I AM HUMAN AND I HAVE LIMITS
2309GUH, that fic would've been 10x better than DUCKY
2310roguephenon
2311"I am The Tommy!"
2312tries to get invested
2313remember we've seen him naked.
2314planetarydecom
2315MULTIPLE EPISODES
2316roguephenon
2317"I'm sorry. I'm sorry I can't do this."
2318planetarydecom
2319MULTIPLE
2320roguephenon
2321leaves
2322planetarydecom
2323OCCASIONS
2324roguephenon
2325why did you do this to me???
2326i somehow managed to actually forget about one of those occasions!
2327planetarydecom
2328no. you suffer with me
2329you suffer
2330roguephenon
2331cuuuuuuuurse you
2332planetarydecom
2333that's for the puns
2334roguephenon
2335WORSE THAN PUN JAIL
2336i hope you are satisfied
2337planetarydecom
2338I told you to imagine you were stuck there with Tommy.
2339Now you are. My revenge is complete
2340roguephenon
2341...
2342OH GOD YOU MADE IT FULL CIRCLE
2343roguephenon
2344*cries*
2345planetarydecom
2346that brick joke probably just caved your head in
2347roguephenon
2348I blinked then saw NOTHING but bricks
2349planetarydecom
2350You gave me the perfect setup. PERFECT
2351roguephenon
2352I did indeed.
2353And as much as I am suffering
2354I do not blame you at all for snatching it
2355planetarydecom
2356Opportunities like that don't happen more than once in a great many conversations
2357Maybe it's a sign. Friendship sanctioned
2358roguephenon
2359I accept this.
2360planetarydecom
2361It's canon
2362roguephenon
2363...despite it coming at the expense of me having to imagine myself stuck in pun jail with a naked Tommy.
2364planetarydecom
2365LMAO yea okay maybe there are unthought of consequences
2366roguephenon
2367That there's a sentence I just wrote
2368planetarydecom
2369if Rachel can survive it once you probably can
2370roguephenon
2371I will be strong
2372planetarydecom
2373Yeah that's a sentence on par or worse than "Imagine 14 billion Chads" which I didn't think I could ever surpass or see surpassed
2374roguephenon
2375I'll take sadistic comfort in that I somehow managed to rise to the occasion and surpass it
2376planetarydecom
2377I'll take sadistic comfort either way
2378God, am I glad Tommy was never kept around as an operative
2379planetarydecom
2380He has his moments, but then he has. THOSE moments
2381roguephenon
2382You and Rachel both, I'm sure
2383planetarydecom
2384Hey, she said she was sorry. Never said she was sad.
2385roguephenon
2386"I'm sorry, Tommy."
2387"You're don't sound to broken up about it."
2388"You've made me look forward to my decommissioning, Tommy. Be glad my apology is at least sincere."
2389planetarydecom
2390It says something that he can save the entire KND singlehanded and still be one of their most resented persons of interest
2391roguephenon
2392Makes me wonder how Rachel reacted when she found out he was involved in the TRICYCLE disaster.
2393planetarydecom
2394She groans and asks Fanny and whichever Decommissioning member is stuck patrolling with her that day if it might be worth it to try and bring him in again.
2395Fanny says she'd sooner kill him
2396Than deal with his stoopid whining and crying a second time
2397roguephenon
2398"Who in the name of gum brought that thing up to spec!?"
2399"Reports are saying Tommy Gilligan, sir."
2400Rachel goes quiet and just stares out the mirror. "I'm about to authorize a K-strike because him. I can believe this, sadly."
2401planetarydecom
2402It's amazing she still has any suspension of disbelief left by the end of the series
2403roguephenon
2404"I think it's safe to say nothing can phase me anymore."
2405"Sir, got an update from operation: MOON. NASA just fired 11ty hundred missiles at us."
2406"...I just going to crawl back into bed and stay there. That's it."
2407planetarydecom
2408Yeah like I'm confused on the Moon stuff
2409I know that the USA…believes they destroyed the Moon?
2410When they did not destroy the Moon, unless I'm mistaken??
2411I was distracted all three times I've seen that episode but it's like right at the end and concludes with the government agreeing that they must destroy the moon
2412roguephenon
2413No, you're right. By the end, they believe they've destroyed the moon
2414And I did not realize the implications of this now.
2415Because the government believes they've destroyed the moon.
2416planetarydecom
2417Do…do the KND paint the real Moon black to hide it
2418planetarydecom
2419the exposed half, anyway
2420or do they MOVE the moon
2421roguephenon
2422No wonder Rachel went fugitive. Imagine that call.
2423planetarydecom
2424IMAGINE.
2425Like people think it's unreasonable of her to be pissed at Nigel by INTERVIEWS no I think she's pretty justified
2426That boy and his stupid impulse decisions made her MOVE the MOON.
2427Or even just turn it around 180 degrees. Because in KND universal logic, the dark side of the moon is dark because that's it's color, not any reflected light nonsense
2428roguephenon
2429"THEY THINK THEY DESTROYED THE MOON!? WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO NOW!? AT SUNDOWN THEY'LL JUST NEED TO LOOK UP!"
2430"Uh, why not take the moon aaaaaaand push it somewhere else?"
2431"..."
2432planetarydecom
2433Rachel is so angry she cannot even speak. The scientists take this as her being blown away by their brilliance, and begin formulating a plan
2434planetarydecom
2435this is probably the cue 74.239 probably read as time to gtfo dodge
2436roguephenon
2437ten minutes later
2438"PUSH!"
2439planetarydecom
2440Pushing pushes her over the edge
2441planetarydecom
2442I imagine that's a good excuse for the scientists to all be running around on Earth by the time INTERVIEWS rolls around
2443roguephenon
2444"Rachel, how could you do this!?"
2445"SIMPLE. FIRST I PUSHED THE MOON-"
2446planetarydecom
2447the Deep Sea Lab is basically toast the second all the Earth's oceans get wind of the fact that the Moon has up and moved on them
2448planetarydecom
2449hell I know the implication of the Rainbow Monkey toilet park was decay from disuse but maybe a hurricane totaled it
2450roguephenon
2451Hurricane Rachel
2452planetarydecom
2453omg
2454She's so done
2455planetarydecom
2456She's
2457so done
2458roguephenon
2459"...did it at least destroy anything cool?"
2460"Uh, well it destroyed that one gross rainbow monkey theme park no one liked."
2461planetarydecom
2462…that actually has amazing implications that give me ideas for my fic because for my writing the whole process of planetary decommissioning is called, in true KND spirit, "flushing"
2463planetarydecom
2464and the earth's oceans / major bodies of water being out of sync with the g:KND's failsafe or endgame holdouts could hinder their plans
2465roguephenon
2466I'm glad I could provide useful implications!
2467planetarydecom
2468I just. How could they just tack in on at the end
2469The government sent missiles to blow up the Moon
2470nbd, next episode
2471I'm using this that is now going into CYoS I'm very excited over it
2472roguephenon
2473"How is this possible!?"
2474"Because you forgot to account for one thing...an angry little girl pushing the moon out of orbit!"
2475Gknd just sits wondering how they could've accounted for that
2476planetarydecom
247774.239 huffs, "Okay, maybe we should have accounted for that, but one kind of backwards planet only has one Moon and no oceanic inhibitor technology to account for a disaster!"
2478"Are we sure this isn't where Numbuh Moron is actually from?"
2479roguephenon
2480Earth saved due to series of odd circumstances that end with moon being literally pushed out of orbit
2481Sounds about right
2482planetarydecom
2483And so once again the day is saved, thanks to:
24841. the power of friendship, loyalty, teamwork, and the spirit of youth
24852. you fucked the ocean
2486Numbuh 20,000 in the aftermath of this though I have to jot down a file idea of him basically just losing his sanity for good because this is the last straw (Rachel can relate)
2487roguephenon
2488I feel
2489planetarydecom
2490but what. what do you feel
2491roguephenon
2492Whatever the feel that is "it just now hit me that for last 10 years, as far as the US government knows in KND, they've successfully blown up the moon and no one has noticed the implications of it" then that's the feeling I'm feeling
2493planetarydecom
2494KND
2495Sometimes it's so KND that fandom cannot even percieve it
2496roguephenon
2497I want to get a chance for me or someone to ask Warburton if he was aware of this.
2498All my other questions mean nothing now
2499planetarydecom
2500I'm pretty sure he had to be because g:KND was so foreshadowed by that point
2501that like. it's the penultimate episode
2502it's something big and space-related
2503it had to mean something. right?????
2504planetarydecom
2505WAS IT A PLAN
2506TELL ME THEY DIDN'T BLOW UP THE MOON FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES
2507roguephenon
2508...I think they just blew up the moon for shits and giggles.
2509planetarydecom
2510Like. a part of me knows you are so probably right
2511But I won't let that stop me from applying the necessary logic and writing it anyway
2512until someone can finally ask mr. warburton if like, the moon is just no longer a thing to the world in KND
2513roguephenon
2514Please do
2515This needs to mean SOMETHING
2516planetarydecom
2517In CYoS, it absolutely will
2518It will mean a horrible final stretch for Rachel's KND days, a LOT of interesting things going on at remote bases like Arctic Base or coastal ones, and at least one more King Sandy story
2519planetarydecom
2520because now that the weather is making the waves colossal he no longer can build a castle fit to house his kingliness
2521roguephenon
2522It must
2523planetarydecom
2524His solution: flood Sector V's neighborhood with sand and conquer their treehouse for a castle
2525roguephenon
2526The burden of knowing this is too great
2527planetarydecom
2528someone
2529tell the people
2530roguephenon
2531but all that sounds amazing
2532planetarydecom
2533Also GOOD GOD that'd even be a good tie-in to why he's in a bouncy castle instead of a sand castle in BOUNCE
2534roguephenon
2535It really says something when we can use what is mostly likely an oversight to make sense of things in this world
2536planetarydecom
2537That is the power of EXTREME CANON ANALYTIC FORCE
2538roguephenon
2539Or maybe he knows and this is the piece of the puzzle we've all been missing
2540planetarydecom
2541You can make walkable bridges out of nothing. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
2542roguephenon
2543ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
2544planetarydecom
2545God. EARTH TO NORMAL PEOPLE HAS NO MOON
2546roguephenon
2547THE PUBLIC OF THIS WORLD JUST WOKE UP TO THE NEWS THE WORLD IS GONE
2548planetarydecom
2549THEY WATCHED IT HAPPEN ON LIVE TELEVISION
2550AND THE US DECIDED IT EXCLUSIVELY NO LESS
2551roguephenon
2552Good morning, I'm Joe Newsperson. Today is the day annual Gallagher spelling bee. In other news, the moon is gone. Now let's go to Chuck for the weather.
2553planetarydecom
2554"Oh-ho, Joe, that footage of the Moon being destroyed is just good television, no questions asked. In unrelated news, this week's forecast is exclusively natural disasters."
2555planetarydecom
2556You know
2557planetarydecom
2558if the government thinks aliens are attacking earth and declares war
2559and then the aliens destroy the moon, and possibly also Hollywood (aka the heart of Americans everywhere)
2560maybe they have some anti-alien legislation being proposed to go get aliens in space
2561maybe that's why the g:KND decide to have a trial
2562I mean, just. Bridges out of nothing.
2563But in hindsight it seems VERY RELEVANT that the series ends with the government officially believing that aliens have attacked the Earth and forced them to blow up the moon
2564roguephenon
2565Warburton is either a fucking mastermind or we're giving him too much credit
2566planetarydecom
2567Like I'm just
2568roguephenon
2569With what we have uncovered, there is no longer no in-between
2570planetarydecom
2571THIS IS A THING THAT'S CANON AND THE IMPLICATIONS ARE EVEN BIGGER THAN A GALAXY FULL OF KND OPERATIVES
2572planetarydecom
2573EVEN IF IT WAS JUST A JOKE
2574IT'S A JOKE THAT'D BE 100% JUSTIFIED IN CREATING SO MANY CONSEQUENCES YOU HAVE TO WONDER
2575planetarydecom
2576Just this one thing that could either be as innocuous as "they painted the moon black and no one ever found out it was still there"
2577Or it could be the harbinger of doomsday
2578No in-between
2579roguephenon
2580I'm torn between making a post about this
2581planetarydecom
2582Like are you okay dude I'm beginning to think I may have broken you finally
2583roguephenon
2584Or from now on, whenever the fandom talks about the moonbase I just go "what moon?"
2585Oh yeah, this definitely broke me
2586planetarydecom
2587I would make a post but like. a stealth bomb
2588planetarydecom
2589something flip about Rachel going fugitive because she had to get rid of the moon like you said
2590or some equally trivial consequence of this thing that has incredible implications of consequences
2591I'M GLAD I COULD INTRODUCE YOU TO NEW INSIGHTS INTO KND AFTER 10 YEARS
2592roguephenon
2593I'M EQUALLY GLAD!
2594planetarydecom
2595Moonbase Zero RIP
2596roguephenon
2597RIP me after this lol
2598planetarydecom
2599We've been working our way up to this canon detail
2600That's what all that other stuff was prepping for
2601Earth officially Has No Moon
2602roguephenon
2603I'm with Rachel at this point lol
2604roguephenon
2605PHENON HAS OFFICIALLY GONE ROGUE. SIGN ME UP FOR THE REVENGE ROADTRIP
2606planetarydecom
2607I feel so honored to have made this happen
2608YEP. JOIN THE CAST OF RACHEL, PATTON, AND HARVEY AS THEY GO ON A QUEST TO FORGET ABOUT FINDING THE SCIENTISTS AND JUST CUT SECTOR V OUT TO MAKE UP FOR THEM DOING THIS
2609roguephenon
2610SIGN ME THE HELL UP
2611planetarydecom
2612Numbuh Phenon has joined the group
2613roguephenon
2614*laughs evilly*
2615planetarydecom
2616Meanwhile, Numbuh 23 Skidoo continues to scour the world (of KND) to find more secrets that will upend the people's whole perception of reality (in KND)
2617(I would have used 616 since that's my preferred handle but it's not a prime number)
2618roguephenon
2619haha no worries, mines not even a number
2620or a real word for that matter
2621planetarydecom
2622it's ok the g:KND is already in first place for most ridiculous numbuhs
2623"Beth Numbuh" is my fave
2624roguephenon
2625omg
2626planetarydecom
2627because it's based on a real mathematical theorem but I bet my last quarter it's just her name
2628roguephenon
2629That's great
2630planetarydecom
2631Numbuh Ordinal
2632Numbuh Nominal
2633Numbuh Negative Umpteen
2634Possibly Numbuh Aleph Zero
2635g:KND thinks they are above actual numbers
2636roguephenon
2637They are definitely in first place
2638planetarydecom
2639Numbuh T has nothing on this
2640roguephenon
2641I still can't get over Beth Numbuh
2642planetarydecom
2643I think it's a male voice, too
2644planetarydecom
2645http://i.imgur.com/jbDoRbN.png Beth Numbuh
2646roguephenon
2647BETH NUMBUH
2648I just love it
2649planetarydecom
2650I've destroyed you
2651It's official
2652roguephenon
2653My eyes have been open to new truths
2654roguephenon
2655And I may have signed up for the road trip
2656BUT I SHALL LIVE
2657planetarydecom
2658GOOD
2659I need someone out in the field while I sit here quietly throwing revelation bombs on it
2660roguephenon
2661I mean, not to get your hopes up, but my icon pretty much sums me up as an operative and what I mostly do
2662So congrats! You've gained a hamster lol
2663My master plan is complete
2664planetarydecom
2665Oh good I have a fuzzy thing to keep me company while I sit at my computer.
2666anyway I wonder how the effects of destroying or moving the moon would…translate in KND universe
2667because like I can look up stuff for what'd happen if our moon disappeared and it's a bunch of stuff about night / day cycles getting shorter and the oceans going flat and weather getting extreme but not with oceanic storms
2668planetarydecom
2669but I think it'd be a little different going by the…known established space rules
2670roguephenon
2671Indeed
2672If it were actually destroyed, I can see it raining down cheese chunks on the planet for a week
2673Because of course it would be made of cheese in KND
2674Moving it would probably do things like annoy King Sandy as we mentioned above
2675planetarydecom
2676irl if it blew up there'd be a ring of its fragments around the Earth
2677which is a fun concept but we don't see a ring in g:KND so
2678…speaking of which do we see the MOON in that shot of earth
2679roguephenon
2680I want to say no
2681But I haven't watched the teaser in a while
2682planetarydecom
2683…
2684let…let me check
2685roguephenon
2686Nope
2687No moon in that shot
2688planetarydecom
2689that may not mean anything. it's pretty zoomed in
2690…but
2691it doesn't hurt the moon being gone idea
2692roguephenon
2693hahaha very true
2694like does the new solar system end up looking like this diorama where we have the moon kind of just dangling like a kite from someplace
2695planetarydecom
2696http://oi63.tinypic.com/zlvsaq.jpg
2697roguephenon
2698I'd say so. But less dangling and more just hiding behind the apple
2699I mean Mars
2700planetarydecom
2701lmao what if they just
2702decide that if they have to move the Moon, they should put it in a place no one will look anyway
2703roguephenon
2704Florida?
2705planetarydecom
2706so they tie a rope around the moon and the other end around the tree trunk of the Arctic Base
2707and now the Moon is always over antarctica
2708I'm just. there are so many ways this could go
2709roguephenon
2710"There! No one will ever find us."
2711"Sir, it's literally a celestial body-"
2712"No one. Will ever. Find. US."
2713planetarydecom
2714I mean
2715stranger things are afoot when no one notices the giant tree sticking up out of it
2716roguephenon
2717this is true
2718And this is also where I'll have to peace out. It's getting late and I unfortunately need to rise early
2719roguephenon
2720It was super great to talk with you! I had a lot of fun bouncing around ideas and just overall geeking out over knd
2721planetarydecom
2722oh yea! i figured, it must be hella late it's been like
2723…………
272412 hours
2725but g'night! send me a ping if you see me around (not that you have to like, tomorrow or anything; holy shit we got through a lot tonight)
2726roguephenon
2727Indeed we did, and I shall! Same goes for you but it's all cool. Night!
2728[doglover502]
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