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2[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "anyone awake?" [03:56]
3[DRPrime]-DR:Greyhallow: "Mostly awake" [03:56]
4[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "drat. carry on." [03:57]
5[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "also hello." [03:57]
6[DRPrime]-DR:Greyhallow: "Hello!" [03:57]
7[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "everything in order?" [03:57]
8[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "Galli was about to embark on his early morning ramblings :)" [03:59]
9[DRPrime]-DR:Greyhallow: "Testing for minimum viable audience?" [04:00]
10[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "what? that's shuffles cards a complete and total lie, and you should feel ashamed." [04:00]
11[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "it is evening in Australia and I have become accustomed to "Evenings with Galli" as I like to call them..." [04:01]
12[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "coffee.. watch scroll fly by.. and delight in the mind behind Gallifreius" [04:01]
13[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I would love to take credit for this, but truth be told - I've always just chosen a topic and rambled on. I can't even tell you the last thing I ranted about." [04:02]
14[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "like there's no show, here. I just sort of. abuse the silence." [04:02]
15[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "like graffiti. without the artistic merritt. =p" [04:03]
16[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "alright. here's what I'm going to do. given nobody is speaking;" [04:05]
17[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I'm going to take a hefty drink, and hit a random word generator until something springs up." [04:05]
18[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "then I'm going to sit here, and speak in an authoritative voice." [04:06]
19[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "whilst also pretending as though my humility, allows me to make such claims." [04:06]
20[DRPrime]-DR:Greyhallow: "I'm enthralled already. Can't wait for the elaboration :p" [04:07]
21[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "this is going very poorly. I don't think a random word generator is the way to go." [04:11]
22[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: ""mom" "juicy" "spicy". yeah, this isn't exactly working so far." [04:11]
23[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "topics, then. headlines. meditation. there's something in here." [04:12]
24[DRPrime]-DR:Middler: "I'd like to see where meditation goes if you please sir." [04:12]
25[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "damn. because I just got like four paragraphs worth of insight when I considered "death stranding"" [04:13]
26[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "like there's a whole essay in here, very in line with contemporary critique." [04:13]
27[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "hey. wait a minute. you can't just go and ask me to do stuff D:" [04:14]
28[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "the whole idea is to spout nonesense into the void. the second people start taking requests it's a show." [04:14]
29[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "at what point do I cease to be revelatory, and begin to pander?" [04:14]
30[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "how's that for your meditation. =/" [04:14]
31[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you know what? fine. let me blow up. let me self immolate." [04:16]
32[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "let me both trust that I'm speaking to a dead room, and also fear that I'm being heard and ignored." [04:17]
33[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "in turn, I'll give you a deep dive on what it means to meditate, in my experience." [04:17]
34[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "with respect to the understandings, benefits, and caveats such behaviour brings." [04:17]
35[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "fuck." [04:18]
36[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "so, the trick is simple. when one is meditating, the idea is to sort of parse the information, but not react in any sort of causual way." [04:19]
37[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "what this really means, it's the same sort of thing you're doing when you're dreaming. some element of some concept may present itself. say strawberry jam." [04:19]
38[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "but if I were to bring up strawberry jam in normal conversation, you would both consider the jam, remember your experiences with it (or other fruit substances), or otherwise draw some sort of link." [04:20]
39[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "this would be, a causal interaction. I say a thing, you respond. I think a thing, I think further." [04:20]
40[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "to meditate is to simply see the background noise, and not engage." [04:21]
41[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "we can understand this super clearly as we're falling asleep, in the case of dialog." [04:21]
42[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "someone might ask "what are you doing", to which you would respond "X", where "x". is anything. perhaps you'd spent the real day tracking down a person in the accounting division." [04:22]
43[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you'd respond "I'm hunting down travis", and thus the dream would continue. from chaos, to order, based upon your deliberate response." [04:23]
44[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "to meditate is to simply ignore the prompt, yet still, in a third person sort of sense measure the response. you hear both "what are you doing" and "I'm hunting down travis" as interal urges. as noise, in the static." [04:24]
45[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "or rather signal, in the noise. fantastic." [04:25]
46[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "so let's take it back down to a sort of common understanding." [04:25]
47[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "to meditate means to let any thought pass through your head, without further understanding. it's the very state of not caring, but not asleep. if an urge pops up, it simply exists. it isn't followed." [04:26]
48[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "so, we've established that we can see our own thoughts, yes? we can pick up on our own instincts, and even observe (to some degree) our own internal problem solving mechanisms." [04:26]
49[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "what then, is meditation in a religious sense. and why is this such a big deal." [04:27]
50[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "it's a simple way of training someone to brainwash themselves. full stop." [04:27]
51[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yes, welcome to the real galli hour. meditation is a sick form of psychotherapy, self imposed, as directed by those who might wish to keep you tending the fields all day." [04:28]
52[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "ooh what was the first part of the conversation?" [04:28]
53[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "oh. fuck." [04:28]
54[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I was really building up to something, there." [04:28]
55[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I disagree wholeheartedly. Meditation is a path to peace" [04:28]
56[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Yea you know I'll rip that argument to shreds :D" [04:28]
57[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yes, and yet you cannot deny that one can entirely trick someone into using this technique towards the end of subjugating their free will." [04:29]
58[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "What's the context?" [04:29]
59[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "existence is pain. to meditate is peace. to serve the body is sin, yet we must live. serve the body by tending to these fields and keeping this monastery going." [04:29]
60[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "ta-da. instant slaves." [04:30]
61[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "though, that's simply the historical context. that's not to say we couldn't create a similar allegory in the here and now." [04:30]
62[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "wait. metaphor? analogy?" [04:30]
63[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I disagree that existence is pain. I'd offer the thought of resistance being suffering" [04:30]
64[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "see, this is what happens when you've gone and stopped the thing." [04:31]
65[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I swear he was on to something." [04:31]
66[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I was. I was on to something." [04:31]
67[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Haha" [04:31]
68[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "if you think of life as one collective wave of consciousness. And within that wave there is movement (evolution through the intermingling play of 'light' and 'dark' energy) - to resist that movement is what causes 'fixation' within perception. (fixation is a whole other topic), yet surrendering into the flow of life and releasing your fixation actually leads to sublime states of peace only understood through practice" [04:33]
69[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "we have a difference in audience. my audience is "people who either went to college, or did well enough in college to understand and value an empirical worldview". your audience is "hold on, let me grab my healing crystal real fast"" [04:34]
70[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "sorry, well enough in highschool =p" [04:34]
71[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "but also, same difference. in a sense." [04:34]
72[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "And actually, meditation leads someone into their own 'personal power' - a state which, of the many benefits: nobody can do anything to you, unless you allow it. So it kinda negates the idea that meditation is forced on someone and negates their free will" [04:35]
73[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I haven't taken offense, but know that your comment was meant to be derogatory" [04:35]
74[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "are you telling me that I can't strike a person, who is meditating, and they will not feel pain?" [04:35]
75[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "oh, it was certainly meant as a challenge." [04:35]
76[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Depends on the meditator. Kung Fu is actually meditation in movement.. If you were to strike a kung fu master then no, they would not feel pain" [04:36]
77[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "You can't bait me like that ;)" [04:36]
78[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "I was keen to hear where Galli was going too.." [04:36]
79[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you're mistaken, and mixing your eastern mysticism." [04:36]
80[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you're thinking tai-chi." [04:36]
81[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "kungfu is all about control over exertion, towards varying ends with varying degrees. taichi is the one that's all about meditation of movement, flow. and perception." [04:37]
82[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "No, I'm not. When Boddhidharma visited the Shaolin temple, the monks were keen to learn of meditation that didn't leave them stationary for several days because of the impact oon their physical body" [04:37]
83[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Thus, Kung Fu became 'meditation in movement'" [04:38]
84[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "this, (your perception) flies directly in the face of pretty much every first hand account I've ever read." [04:39]
85[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "or seen, for that matter." [04:39]
86[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "No. Kung Fu is a spiritual path. It's not just about the physical. Largely it blends internal energy arts with the 'external' physical arts. There are some styles within kung fu that lean towards either in varying degrees. Tai Chi is an entirely 'soft' martial art (internal)" [04:39]
87[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Ever trained in Kung Fu?" [04:39]
88[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I mean, you've 'read about it'...." [04:40]
89[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "can we get some ice in here please :p" [04:40]
90[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Anyway finish your point. Your audience awaits" [04:41]
91[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "right then." [04:42]
92[DRPrime]-DR:Greyhallow: "Ah man, my bad. Galli, I wasnt paying attention. Can you start over?" [04:42]
93[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "well, no, now I'm over here trying to figure out shy's odd interpretation of martial arts, as they tie into woo." [04:43]
94[DRPrime]-DR:Rikkon: "I like long walks on the beach and candle lit dinners, what about you?" [04:43]
95[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I think you should stick to physics and numbers Gall" [04:43]
96[DRPrime]-DR:Rikkon: "damn! sorry wrong chat!" [04:43]
97[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I'm fond of a good sit down, after a good meal." [04:44]
98[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "and I think you should stick to psychics and hungers." [04:44]
99[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Anyway. It's good of you to share an opinion about meditation - potentially swaying people's opinion on it - and thus potentially inhibiting their practice, if they felt drawn to it. It can range from fulfilling to yielding altered states of reality, to states of ecstatic bliss. But whatever, you  know best ;)" [04:46]
100[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I'll totally grant that both kung fu, and tai chi, involve in the traditional sense - the utilization of meditation." [04:46]
101[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "In serious practice, it's a pre-requisit" [04:46]
102[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "absolutely." [04:46]
103[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "insofar as it's the easiest way to brainwash a convent" [04:47]
104[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "strip agency. strip will. replace it with simple conditionals." [04:47]
105[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "that's not to say that the meditating agent will not feel bliss. of course they will! in the same way that a fully brainwashed person will." [04:48]
106[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "LOL okay" [04:48]
107[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "(As an observer you seemed brainwashed by your cultural paradigm. but whatever)" [04:48]
108[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "unfortunately, the evidence is on my side of the table, on this one." [04:48]
109[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "it's not my culture, it's my measuring stick. the same one that everyone else, everywhere else, uses." [04:49]
110[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you'd be better of arguing with the damned sun." [04:49]
111[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "And you've been conditioned into your way of thinking. But whatever on that too ;)" [04:49]
112[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yes. we've been conditioned, as a species, to see empirical data as sound - and non empirical claims, as suspect." [04:49]
113[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Within the Western Paradigm" [04:50]
114[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "this is why I care more for the doctor, than the shaman." [04:50]
115[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: ":)" [04:50]
116[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "=p" [04:50]
117[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I care more for the shaman than the doctor. Because the shaman looks at the holistic system whereas the western doctor looks at individual systems" [04:51]
118[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "here's the issue with that, though." [04:51]
119[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Okay, cause you know.. lol" [04:51]
120[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "even one demonstable benefit, yeah? it would cease being holistic. it would become medicine." [04:52]
121[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "demonstrable =p" [04:52]
122[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I don't get the point you're trying to make" [04:52]
123[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "the second you can prove something. you can repeat it. it becomes empirical." [04:52]
124[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: ""holistic" healing methods are entirely the same as any other made up nonesense. they've got no more validity than placebo." [04:53]
125[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Okay. Tell that to all the people whose lives I've transformed ;)" [04:53]
126[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yes, and I've got a long string of girlfriends I've lied to." [04:53]
127[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "does that mean my lies were true?" [04:53]
128[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Just because you don't believe something, doesn't invalidate it" [04:54]
129[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "that's the difference between you, and I. you're okay with living your lie. you don't grow, you dig in. you turn it into an act." [04:54]
130[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "a lifestyle." [04:54]
131[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "LOL okay dude." [04:54]
132[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "My views are built upon first hand experienc" [04:54]
133[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "did you transform there lives or did they transform them? Because if you transformed them, then they didn't really transform.." [04:54]
134[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Well I'll give you an example" [04:54]
135[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "One of my healing techniques can fully resolve heartbreak, loss, or grief. So if you've experienced a horrible breakup or can't get over betrayal, e.g.. Anyway, this healing technique fully removes that energy (everything is energy, including emotions, Gall) and every. single. one. of. my. clients. report that the very next day their grief is gone. Things just shift back into neutral." [04:56]
136[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Anyway a really good book for you to read Gall, is Hands of Light, by Barbara Ann Brennan - She was a NASA physicist but she'd always been able to see energy from a young child. She's probably done the most amount of scientific research on the human energy field than anyone else" [04:58]
137[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "So she blends science with 'woo' (or whatever derogatory thing you want to call something that doesn't agree with you)" [04:58]
138[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Then she crossed over into healing full time" [04:59]
139[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: """ [05:00]
140[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: """ [05:00]
141[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "lol" [05:00]
142[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "one last try, here." [05:00]
143[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "test" [05:01]
144[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/04/522-barbara-brennan.html" [05:01]
145americanloons.blogspot.comamericanloons.blogspot.com
146#522: Barbara Brennan
147Barbara Ann Brennan is an author and intuitive healer  who works in the field of “energy healing” . According to the Watkins R...(8 kB)
148http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-r-IYBEEt6Ac/UXgmLIJ7fYI/AAAAAAAAAoQ/xggmrr8lL7w/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/220px-Barbarabrennan2010.jpg
149[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "OMG..lol" [05:01]
150[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "So? Just because someone uploaded it to that website (which by the way the domain name totally invalidates any credibility it may have)" [05:02]
151[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "damn internet spills everyones secrets" [05:02]
152[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Maybe I'll make a profile for you ;)" [05:02]
153[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "I'm sure there's one out there already...lol" [05:03]
154[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I can help you out. I have a fragile ego and an inferiority complex. =p" [05:03]
155[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "FOR REAL" [05:03]
156[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "We know" [05:03]
157[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "that's why you vehmently defend your limited perception of the world" [05:03]
158[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "well, no. it's why I'll stand up for people like you looking to exploit those who are a click more vulnerable than I am." [05:04]
159[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "For all your science, how much peace do you experience in your life?" [05:04]
160[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "c'mon Shy you can't call someone elses perception of the world limited" [05:04]
161[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: ""for all my science"? I mean. a lot." [05:04]
162[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Okay. You think you're doing the right thing and that I applaud you for. I just disagree with you, that's all." [05:04]
163[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I don't really have any big questions, that don't boil down to "this is the way humans act under certain conditions"" [05:04]
164[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I feel he has a fixed perception. I'm entitled to that opinion." [05:05]
165[DRPrime]-DR:Sanctim: "true" [05:05]
166[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "fixation = resistance = suffering" [05:05]
167[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "well, yes. just as much as you're entitled to read nothing but quack science and present it as a viable alternative to objective reality." [05:05]
168[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "see, above. your last statement." [05:05]
169[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Okay :)" [05:05]
170[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Science is limited and is constantly evolving. One day it'll catch up ;)" [05:06]
171[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "to what. healing crystals? magical vibrations which have literally no basis in reality?" [05:06]
172[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "or do you mean your specific brand of perception, and the cult of personality you wish to grow?" [05:06]
173[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Well first of all, I  don't use crystals. The 'magical healing vibrations' you talk about are simply frequencies of energy (to which we are ALL subject to, because everything is energy)" [05:07]
174[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "right. so, magic. vibrations." [05:07]
175[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Oh dear Gall, why do you resort to insults? (I mean, you can't insult me because.... You don't have that kind of influence over how I feel, but whatever ;) )" [05:08]
176[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "This is hilarious" [05:08]
177[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "from where I'm standing, you've lost a significant amount of ground." [05:08]
178[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "lol how?" [05:08]
179[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Seriously, I don't actually care about you or what you have to say.  There's absolutely nothing you can do to me" [05:09]
180[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "well, for once you haven't addressed a claim in any sort of empirical fashion =p" [05:09]
181[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: ""la la la I can't hear you"" [05:09]
182[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "isn't a valid rebuttal." [05:09]
183[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "lol whatever dude. Go to sleep. Or drink some coffee. Or something" [05:09]
184[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "What a dickhead" [05:09]
185[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "again, still, not a rebuttal." [05:09]
186[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I question whether or not you can provide evidence, you attack. I point out the attack, you attack again." [05:09]
187[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "brilliant." [05:09]
188[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "this is how you get kicked off the debate team =p" [05:10]
189[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Look, if you were actually open to an honest debate, then I'd perhaps be more inclined - But in the way you're framing your answers, you've already made your mind up. So  there is absolutely no point" [05:10]
190[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Or framing your questions, rather" [05:10]
191[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "fantastic, let's go back to a base state, then. I have a very neutral question. entirely within the realm of reason. no emotion whatsoever." [05:11]
192[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "are you willing and able?" [05:11]
193[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "lol dude, I am SOOOOO detached from this right now. You've no idea. So yes, willing and able ;)" [05:11]
194[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "This is just funny to me" [05:11]
195[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "fantastic. you've speaked of frequencies, which I've so cruely referred to as vibrations. you say that these affect us all, yes?" [05:12]
196[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Yes" [05:12]
197[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "and there is a very particular frequency, which might lead towards healing?" [05:12]
198[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "There are many, but yes" [05:12]
199[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "understood. can you clarify such a frequency, and explain why it hasn't been used in modern medicine?" [05:12]
200[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I'd like to be able to answer that question more fully, but I lack enough understanding of the formation of Western medicine (or the collective paradigm of 'thought' that lead to a) it's formation, and b) it's denial of frequency. I can only comment on my direct experience" [05:14]
201[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "let me take a different approach." [05:14]
202[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "What I do know, is that across the UK there are many 'alternative medicine' centres within our NHS hospitals, that actually use reiki healers etc" [05:15]
203[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "your method, it exists, yes? to heal?" [05:15]
204[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "why has this method not been reproduced, and incorporated into the body of modern medicine. we understand that applying this drug, or this movement, and this time, or to that particular place - results in a positive change." [05:15]
205[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "My question for you is, are you actually interested in an open debate or are these loaded questions? Don't care either way, just curious" [05:15]
206[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "why is your method, this frequency system, not applicable to reproduction?" [05:15]
207[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "these aren't the loaded ones. the loaded ones were from before, when I was going after your intent =p" [05:16]
208[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "these are the shrewd, logical, empirical questions." [05:16]
209[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Well it's the basis of Eastern medicine - which is holistic and looks at the whole. Western medicine favours cutting pieces away or medicating. which don't address the root cause of the issue - merely cover it up" [05:16]
210[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "and the pharmacuetical industry is a whole other matter" [05:16]
211[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "how many people would you say, have access to your particular method. who practice?" [05:17]
212[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Google might be a better bet for that question" [05:17]
213[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "understood. if I may, then." [05:17]
214[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "why is it that we see the same rates of disease, malady, and malcontent, across both eastern and western medicine?" [05:18]
215[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "if this were a case of "eastern" medicine being superior, would that not show up, in the data?" [05:18]
216[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "why are the rates the same, why are the treatments, given the same efficacy requirements - the same?" [05:19]
217[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Because humans are not immortal and at some point we all fall victim to disease and death. My understanding of the eastern paradigm (incorporating 'internal energy arts') is that generally the populace who practice live much longer, healthier lives" [05:19]
218[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "and yet, this doesn't show up in the worldwide health data. at all. modern medicine knows no cultural bounds." [05:20]
219[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "which is, again, why I would ask how many people are aware of your secret methods." [05:20]
220[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "because clearly, the billions of us, are not. we're making due with medical practice." [05:21]
221[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Look. I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. I'm merely offering an alternate view. I don't care about people prescribing to my way of thinking. What I do care about is spreading views that are potentially damaging (that meditation is bad and is a form of brain washing)" [05:21]
222[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I see. so you fully admit to peddling woo, then." [05:22]
223[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you don't want to convince, because you can't convince." [05:22]
224[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Omg you're a moron" [05:22]
225[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you feel threatened, because I chose to attack one particular form of woo you think is vague enough to imbue with your personal ideology." [05:22]
226[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "that's the only way I can put it" [05:22]
227[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yes. the feeling is mutual." [05:22]
228[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "although I wouldn't say a moron." [05:22]
229[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I'd say, a third-rate charlaton." [05:23]
230[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Really? Cause I feel that you've been faaaaar more offensive, but okay my dear" [05:23]
231[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "sorry. charlatan =p" [05:23]
232[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Ooh look at all the raw nerves" [05:23]
233[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Someone's clearly irrate. Glad it's  not me ;)" [05:23]
234[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "again, the debate isn't measured in feelings, remember?" [05:23]
235[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "GUESS IT'S ALL THAT  MEDITATION I DO. LOl" [05:23]
236[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "=p" [05:24]
237[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "I missed the substance of this discussion, could you all please reenact it for me?" [05:25]
238[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "My feelings have never come into it. Seems yours have. Otherwise you wouldn't be so quick to 'name call'. :P" [05:25]
239[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "HAHA" [05:25]
240[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "shyduska is a modern day crystal faith psychic. and took issue with me pointing out that meditation is a form of easy conditioning for ascetic communities." [05:26]
241[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "that's about it, gar =p" [05:26]
242[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "I guess it depends on what you mean by easy conditioning?" [05:26]
243[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I didn't take issue to anything. I was merely responding to you. But again, there's nothing you can say that will remotely upset me, even your attempt at discrediting me. KISSES" [05:26]
244[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "thank you." [05:26]
245[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "we didn't even get into that, I'm afraid. it wasn't how easy it was to utilize meditation." [05:27]
246[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "it went straight to woo." [05:27]
247[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "God, you're boring" [05:27]
248[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I wanted to bring up meditation as a sort of self conditioning thing. as a form of self therapy, but also point to it's historic use as a method of control." [05:27]
249[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "shy went off on a personal rant." [05:27]
250[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Omg lol" [05:28]
251[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you literally brought up magical frequencies for healing. and how meditation results in some sort of extra dimensional framework for wellbeing." [05:28]
252[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "like I'm sorry, but that's what happened." [05:28]
253[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "well, if you're referring to methods of control, there are for more traditional methods than something as benign as meditation" [05:28]
254[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "oh for sure! right?" [05:29]
255[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "well, it's more likely that meditation influences the release of certain hormones" [05:29]
256[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "that was the whole meta joke =/" [05:29]
257[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "You're just making yourself look silly, Gall" [05:29]
258[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "shy took it as an attack on. something." [05:29]
259[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "hold on, let me get you the full log. one moment." [05:29]
260[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Not in the slightest" [05:29]
261[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "there was an interesting study on the placebo affect, among a long line of them, that showed how the thought process and mentality of the person effects the type and amount of hormone release." [05:29]
262[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I can say this with absolute certainty - There was no emotion involved on my part whatsoever - so how could I have taken it as an attack?" [05:30]
263[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "long story short, meditation can likely have a real physical increase in well being" [05:30]
264[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Probably all that meditation I do ;)" [05:30]
265[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "https://pastebin.com/raw/17NAxsB8" [05:30]
266[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "there it is =p" [05:30]
267[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "oh it totally can. agreed there, gar." [05:30]
268[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I know what I said and the intent I said it with. Anything else is mere judgement on your part" [05:31]
269[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "that's what I wanted to get into, in my little mock monologue." [05:31]
270[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "the whole "it can be used for evil thing" was the tongue in cheek bit. I had a lot to say about meditation as a form of self therapy/medication. I didn't get that far." [05:31]
271[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I entered the conversation at the part you said it was used as a form of control" [05:32]
272[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yep." [05:32]
273[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "before I was able to flesh out the whole bit." [05:32]
274[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I missed your theatrical pre-presentation" [05:32]
275[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "because again, I was building up a bit." [05:32]
276[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Okay dude, whatever. I've got better things to do. LIKE USE MY HEALING CRYSTALS AND MAGICAL HEALING FREQUENCIES. I digress" [05:33]
277[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "meditation isn't a form of control.  Governments and societies use compulsory social behaviour as a form of control, regardless of the form it takes.  This is particularly true in non-democratic regimes." [05:33]
278[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "totally, but enforcing meditation towards the end of eliminating urges that don't fit within the group - is definitely a form of control." [05:34]
279[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "sit here for a number of hours, don't listen to any urges to leave. when you're done, you get to eat." [05:34]
280[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "in the famous words of Ruby Rap. BZZZZZZZT" [05:34]
281[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "it's definitely something that can be used to condition -" [05:34]
282[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "but I wouldn't say that's the point at all" [05:35]
283[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "yes it could be, though I haven't read any literature that reinforces that, though it may exist.  What I'm pointing out is that inherently, any forced behaviour can be a form of control." [05:35]
284[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "absolutely. yep yep." [05:35]
285[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "hence the whole shtick. here's all the stuff about meditation, and here's why I've got a tinfoil hat on about it." [05:35]
286[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "you might enjoy a certain book by Tilly, called coercion, captial, and european states." [05:36]
287[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I would also suggest that meditation brings about a greater sense of awareness of internal urges. The purpose is  not  to deny an aspect  of yourself, but to integratei t" [05:36]
288[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "there is also a far more boring book called non-democratic regimes..." [05:36]
289[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: ""Tilly writes about the complex history of European state formation from the Middle Ages to the 1990s - a thousand-year time span."" [05:37]
290[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "for real?" [05:37]
291[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "in only 300 pages?" [05:37]
292[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "fairly considered though, there are many forms of meditations with a multitude of purported goals" [05:37]
293[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "but, on to something we all probably like, the witcher is coming out next month" [05:39]
294[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "the witcher?" [05:40]
295[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "oh! you mean the television series?" [05:41]
296[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "is it really that close?" [05:41]
297[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "dec 20" [05:41]
298[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "wow, that really flew by." [05:41]
299[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "his dark materials started up, too." [05:41]
300[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "dollars to donuts though, it probably opens with the char saving somebody, in an effort to stir up some feeling of righteous indignation..." [05:41]
301[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "that would track." [05:42]
302[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I hadn't read the books, but the first game had a long sort of lull wherin geralt was anything but amazing." [05:43]
303[DRPrime]-DR:Garnn: "books are supposed to be excellent.  Haven't read them either though" [05:43]
304[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I worry that the translation might not work. kind of a bummer." [05:46]
305[DRPrime]-DR:Soryan: "translation for the book?" [05:46]
306[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I do enjoy the writing in the games, though. from what i've seen." [05:46]
307[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yep yep." [05:46]
308[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I feel like if the translation isn't up to par, it may totally ruin the source material for me. it might not be a fair shake, you know?" [05:47]
309[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "like I can read murakami, for example. it's not perfect, but I can totally get it, as I have some understanding of the language, and the way it's used and why." [05:48]
310[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I know nothing of polish." [05:48]
311[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "like full on, I'd be missing all of the nuance between the lines, mistaking it for something else." [05:49]
312[DRPrime]-DR:Soryan: "well, different cultural frames of reference consistently cause different impressions, regardless of how well translated. There is a lot of historical context that influences consideration of what happens within books, realized or not." [05:51]
313[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yep yep. which is why I'm both hesitant, and kind of jealous." [05:52]
314[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Gall, here's some papers for you: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4654789/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4654788/" [05:55]
315PubMed Central (PMC)PubMed Central (PMC)
316Biofield Science and Healing: History, Terminology, and Concepts
317Biofield science is an emerging field of study that aims to provide a scientific foundation for understanding the complex homeodynamic regulation of living systems. By furthering our scientific knowledge of the biofield, we arrive at a better understanding ...
318PubMed Central (PMC)PubMed Central (PMC)
319Clinical Studies of Biofield Therapies: Summary, Methodological Challenges, and Recommendations
320Biofield therapies are noninvasive therapies in which the practitioner explicitly works with a client's biofield (interacting fields of energy and information that surround living systems) to stimulate healing responses in patients. While the practice ...
321[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "well, I mean. good show. I'm reading as we speak =)" [05:56]
322[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "oh, wait." [05:56]
323[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4654779/" [05:57]
324PubMed Central (PMC)PubMed Central (PMC)
325Biofield Science: Current Physics Perspectives
326This article briefly reviews the biofield hypothesis and its scientific literature. Evidence for the existence of the biofield now exists, and current theoretical foundations are now being developed. A review of the biofield and related topics from the ...
327[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "there's literally no data here. no research." [05:57]
328[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Is it by region? It shows the entire paper for me. I'm in the  UK" [05:57]
329[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "all the references are cited at the end, as in all papers" [05:57]
330[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I've got the whole papers. checking the third link, now." [05:57]
331[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yes, but there's no data. no research." [05:57]
332[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I'll repeat. All the data and research is cited in the references" [05:58]
333[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "sorry, we have different definitions. I'm looking for data driven analysis. not reporting on prior claims." [05:58]
334[DRPrime]-DR:Soryan: "he's just pointing out it's kind've a summary piece.  I noticed at least one reference that appeared to be research considering oscillation and coupling of chromatin" [05:58]
335[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "and the references are  all medical or science papers" [05:58]
336[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I'm looking for empirical studies. graphs." [05:59]
337[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "thank you, soryan" [05:59]
338[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Omg. View it as a collated index then. Better than me pasting 50 reference links, which you can easily find by scrolling down" [05:59]
339[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "And all of those were published on US National Library of Medicine" [06:00]
340[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "the links, that  is" [06:00]
341[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "your third link is citing verifiable psedoscience." [06:00]
342[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "one moment" [06:00]
343[DRPrime]-DR:Soryan: "https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25181286/" [06:00]
344ncbi.nlm.nih.govncbi.nlm.nih.gov
345Nontouch biofield therapy: a systematic review of human randomized controlled trials reporting use of only nonphysical contact treatment.  - PubMed - NCBI
346J Altern Complement Med. 2014 Dec;20(12):881-92. doi: 10.1089/acm.2014.0017. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't; Review; Systematic Review(13 kB)
347http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/coreutils/img/pubmed256blue.png
348[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "here we go, took a bit. "phantom leaf" has been debunked since it's inception." [06:02]
349[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography" [06:02]
350WikipediaWikipedia
351Kirlian photography
352Kirlian photography is a collection of photographic techniques used to capture the phenomenon of electrical coronal discharges. It is named after Semyon Kirlian, who, in 1939, accidentally discovered that if an object on a photographic plate is connected to a high-voltage source, an image is produced on the photographic plate.
353The technique has been variously known as
354"electrography",
355"electrophotography",
356"corona discharge photography" (CDP),
357 Show more(723 kB)
358https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Kirl66_g.png
359[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "it's also a funny story, when you get down to it." [06:02]
360[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Okay whatever. lol... I just can't be bothered anymore" [06:02]
361[DRPrime]-DR:Soryan: "lol, to be fair, wikipedia isn't taken too seriously either.  I dive for the references sources are nothing." [06:02]
362[DRPrime]-DR:Soryan: "no, staring at goats is funny....." [06:02]
363[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "hah." [06:03]
364[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "take a look at the physics cited. it's known phenomina that they purport as spooky." [06:03]
365[DRPrime]-DR:Soryan: "referencing the government program of telepathy during the cold war..." [06:03]
366[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yep. the one that was declassified as a massive waste of funding." [06:03]
367[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "something something star. or sun. I forget the codename." [06:04]
368[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "it was for remote viewing." [06:04]
369[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "they basically got cold reading as a trainable course, and fell for it =p" [06:04]
370[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I was looking more  for something that would provide basis for what I would term the human energy field and science terms, the biofield. Here's one on the heart: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16012615" [06:05]
371ncbi.nlm.nih.govncbi.nlm.nih.gov
372Spatial distribution of cardiac magnetic vector fields acquired from 3120 SQUID positions.  - PubMed - NCBI
373Neurol Clin Neurophysiol. 2004 Nov 30;2004:59. Comparative Study(13 kB)
374http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/coreutils/img/pubmed256blue.png
375[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "organs have fields. tissues have fields." [06:05]
376[DRPrime]-DR:Soryan: "no one, or at least not me, is arguing against chemistry, which is biofields at its basic level" [06:05]
377[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "the very act of diversion requires something called a morphogenetic field." [06:05]
378[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "fields are not a new thing." [06:05]
379[DRPrime]-DR:Soryan: "and many studies have pointed out the very postive role on health and longevity that wellness and positive type mindsets and mentalities have." [06:06]
380[DRPrime]-DR:Soryan: "time to get ready for work for me however..." [06:06]
381[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "And that's my point. An electromagnetic field or nonelectrocmagnetic field is basically what 'woo' calls the aura. And those are what I work directly with" [06:06]
382[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I'm sorry, but no." [06:07]
383[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: ""field" here, doesn't mean some magic thing you can tap into." [06:07]
384[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "it's a selection, a grouping, or a force." [06:07]
385[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "your hands, your body, your mind. they lack the ability to do such a thing. you'd have to be literally superhuman." [06:07]
386[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "and if you were, again, this would be verifiable. provable. you'd get a damned nobel prize." [06:07]
387[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Yep. The human energy field is a force. And I don't use my 'hands, body or mind' to alter said force. I use energy" [06:08]
388[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "great, the point still stands" [06:08]
389[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "if you could reproduce this magic superhuman ability, you would have all of the funding and attention in the world." [06:08]
390[DRPrime]-DR:Majorly: "Mornin' folks!!!" [06:08]
391[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "morning major =p" [06:08]
392[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I already told you. I'll do a healing on you and you can monitor any changes for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Thing is, you're so boxed into a particular view that you'd probably dismiss anything that may arise from i t" [06:09]
393[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Morning Major <3" [06:09]
394[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "great, I don't care about me though. I care about you. and your amazing ability." [06:09]
395[DRPrime]-DR:Amala: "Darkbox: 10425" [06:09]
396[DRPrime]-DR:Majorly: "Sounds kinky. What did I walk into?" [06:09]
397[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "why can't you go to a hospital, right now, and heal everyone?" [06:09]
398[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Just Gall being his usual s elf" [06:10]
399[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "shy is trying to push woo =/" [06:10]
400[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "frequency healing. extra dimensional states of being. full on. no irony." [06:10]
401[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "There are NHS (National Health Service) hospitals across the UK that do" [06:10]
402[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "no, we just covered that." [06:10]
403[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Omg I'm so done. You're a waste of energy" [06:10]
404[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you're conflating "field" in a technical sense. with "field" as your magic energy healing powers." [06:10]
405[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "uhoh, does that mean you can heal less people today?!" [06:11]
406[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I'm sorry for taking up your energy!" [06:11]
407[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "My articulation of abstract concepts is difficult to present, in relation to your entirely mental-logical-analytical approach" [06:12]
408[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: ""I speak in magic that can't be proven, so don't even try. nobody can try. no human on this planet can prove it"" [06:12]
409[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "All you're do is make yourself look like a fool" [06:12]
410[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Doing, even" [06:12]
411[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: ""all you do is prove you don't believe me"" [06:12]
412[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "great. so, charlatan, then." [06:12]
413[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "got it. had it, hours ago." [06:12]
414[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "You're  ike a belligerant child" [06:12]
415[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "wouldn't a child believe your woo more easily?" [06:12]
416[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "know your audience." [06:13]
417[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "lol. Here we go again. Childish" [06:13]
418[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "=p" [06:13]
419[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yes. I'm the childish one. for getting frustrated after all of the gaslighting, pseudoscience, and personal attacks." [06:13]
420[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "forgive me for stooping to your level of confidence trick." [06:14]
421[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I'm not  getting frustrated. I'm laughing at you. I simply can't be bothered with you anymore" [06:14]
422[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "great! then stop." [06:14]
423[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "let it go." [06:14]
424[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Easily done ;)" [06:14]
425[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "nobody in here is going to believe you have magic healing powers." [06:14]
426[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "fantastic =p" [06:14]
427[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "lol okay" [06:14]
428[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "the sick thing is, I'm actually going to have to read these damn papers now. due dilligence and all." [06:15]
429[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I was thrown a gish gallop." [06:15]
430statusmonAPP 6:32 AM
431[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "That comment only reinforces my view of you being a nasty person. There are good people in the world - I am one of them - And those good people try to do everything they can to help people. I'm sorry for you" [06:32]
432[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you're literally a pseudoscience peddling faith healer, who's blowing up my private messages towards the end of getting the last word. over. and over. and over." [06:33]
433[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "you've said you were done like six times, now." [06:33]
434[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "like seriously, I can't do this anymore. I read your papers, by the way." [06:33]
435[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "it all points back to the same font, the same source. take a look." [06:33]
436[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "All I said was this: x[PrivateTo]-DR:Gallifreius: "I'm really sorry you have that perception of people you define as 'woo' - I do what I do because all I want is to help people. To enact change and help with personal transformation. Nothing I do is to deceive, trick or control others. That's incompatible with who I am. I'm sorry you feel that way." -- then you gave me your usual tirade" [06:33]
437[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine" [06:33]
438WikipediaWikipedia
439Energy medicine
440Energy medicine, energy therapy, energy healing, vibrational medicine, psychic healing, spiritual medicine or spiritual healing are branches of alternative medicine based on a pseudo-scientific belief that healers can channel healing energy into a patient and effect positive results. This idea itself contains several methods:  hands-on, hands-off, and distant (or absent) where the patient and healer are in different locations.
441Many schools of energy healing exist using many names: for example, biofield energy healing, spiritual healing, contact healing, distant healing, Qi Do, therapeutic touch, Reiki or Qigong. Spiritual healing occurs largely in non-denominational and ecumenical contexts, in… Show more(563 kB)
442https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Reiki-Treatment.jpg
443[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "it's woo" [06:34]
444[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but damn near  impossible to win with a stupid person -- Bill Murray" [06:34]
445[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "https://pastebin.com/raw/BkR7hkmK" [06:35]
446[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "there's the entire private chat" [06:35]
447[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I'm going to ignore you - Will be best for the lich community :)" [06:35]
448[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "since we're going that route. =/" [06:35]
449[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "thank you" [06:35]
450[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "please, seriously." [06:35]
451[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "go and be an energy healer in peace. stop trying to convince me." [06:35]
452[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "I'M NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU OF ANYTHING. I'm simply pointing out that your behaviour has been rudimental" [06:36]
453[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "okay, great. rudimental. yes. I agree." [06:37]
454[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "please. stop." [06:37]
455[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "ignore me. move on." [06:37]
456[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Oh fuck off Gall. What an idiot." [06:37]
457[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "I'm not a proper mark." [06:37]
458[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yes, an idiot. I am ignorant of the world of energy fields. and healing. and eastern mysticism." [06:37]
459[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "and I will always come at you in an oppositional manner." [06:38]
460[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: ";ignore galli" [06:38]
461[DRPrime]-DR:Shyduska: "Ignorant" [06:38]
462[DRPrime]-DR:Gallifreius: "yes. entirely." [06:38]