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1Randy Credico Interviews Roger Stone, on "Live on the Fly", part of the "Countdown to Freedom for Julian Assange" series. This was the first episode. Broadcast date: April 18, 2017. Excerpt runs from to 43:13 to 50:16.
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3File link: http://www.mediafire.com/file/7dergl42dlvcxys/wbai_170418_170001randyCrelof+-+Lionel+Binney+Stone.mp3
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5[audio excerpt plays of a speech by Julian Assange]
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7RANDY CREDICO
8That's Julian Assange. I think it's six years ago. And it's in London somewhere. And I didn't really- I have too much on my plate right now. And so, he's talking about, where's the Rachel Maddows, where's the Christopher Hayes, where's the- uh, Howard Finemans, and all of these others, at CNN, sticking up for a fellow journalist? I don't know. We have someone here, on the show, who has spoken out in favor, in no uncertain terms, and, you know, he and I don't agree on a lot of things, but certainly...here's someone that, you know, is a Trump supporter, but is a Julian Assange supporter and it's- Roger- why do they always call you a trickster, rather than say, a political consultant?
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10ROGER STONE
11Well, I think maybe that's a title the Democrats hung on me over the years...at a certain point, it became easier to just go with it, than dispute it. But I'll tell you one thing, Randy, there's one trick that is not in my bag, and that is treason.
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13CREDICO
14Right.
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16STONE
17The whole notion that I have colluded with the Russians, and, more specifically, the notion that Julian Assange is a Russian asset, and that Wikileaks is a Russian asset, is completely, totally false. There's no evidence whatsoever.
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19CREDICO
20Right.
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22STONE
23Assange is a hero - yes, he's breaking the law, but he is-
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25CREDICO
26WHAT LAW IS HE BREAKING? What law is he breaking?
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28STONE
29Well- I think hacking is illegal, but-
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31CREDICO
32He doesn't hack, though.
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34STONE
35Well, somebody hacks, and he publishes.
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37CREDICO
38Right.
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40STONE
41The point I'm making is, even if he is breaking the law - Martin Luther King broke the law too. Because he had too. Because there are larger, more important laws being broken. Julian Assange has exposed corruption, and self-dealing at the highest levels of government. So, I- Yes, I think that sometimes whistleblowers have to break the law. For the greater good.
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43CREDICO
44Well, I-
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46STONE
47Sometimes those laws are designed to keep the American people in the dark.
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49CREDICO
50Well, I get arrested at times through protesting police brutality, or protesting stop and frisk, so I understand. People do break the law. Whatever, if it really is a- If there's a law here that he broke, I'm not aware of it. That's not the point. I wanted to ask you, because you, and I saw this, only because I was looking at the Wikileaks feed, on the twitter account, and they tweeted out that Roger Stone has condemned Mike Pompeo the CIA Director and said he should resign. Could you elaborate on that?
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52STONE
53Yes. I was very disturbed last week, when I saw that the new CIA Director came out and flatly said that Wikileaks was a Russian asset, and that Julian Assange was essentially a handmaiden for the Russian government. That is false. And, of all people, Mr. Pompeo should know it's false, but unfortunately, what this tells me is, he's buying whatever steaming plate of B.S. the bureaucrats and neo-cons at the CIA are dishing up to him. We need somebody who'll clean house at the CIA, where violation of our civil rights and civil liberties have been outrageous. They lied about Benghazi, they lied about rendition, they lied about whether there was torture at Abu Gharib prison, they have a long legacy of lies.
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55CREDICO
56Going way back. About the Iraq war. The Iraq war.
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58STONE
59Vietnam. The Kennedy assassination. Guatemala. You can go as far back as the beginning. It's interesting that even President Harry Truman, who signed legislation that formed and authorized the CIA, by 1963, he had concluded it was the biggest mistake of his presidency. That they were a rogue agency. And now they are out to smear Julian Assange, to smear Wikileaks, and it is an outrage. Here's what I propose, Randy: Director Pompeo has five days to produce for the American people, proof, indisputable proof, that Wikileaks is a Russian asset, or that Asange is working with the Russians. And if he cannot do so, he must resign. And if he does not resign, the president should fire him.
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61CREDICO
62-should fire him.
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64STONE
65It was Donald Trump who said, "I love Wikileaks!"
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67CREDICO
68Alright. Yes.
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70STONE
71The president knows they're not-
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73CREDICO
74[doing a Trump impression that sounds nothing like him, first part is Don Corleone, second part is an anglo Ren, from "Ren & Stimpy"] It's a great outfit, it's a great- WIKILEAKS! I LOVE WIKILEAKS! I LOVE WIKILEAKS! [out of mercy, drops the impression] Now let me, Roger...this investigation in the House, it seems like it's fading away, because the president has done what they've wanted, which is the saber rattling with Russia, and going into Syria, but is still in the back burner? Are you still uh you know in line to testify before this Schiff Committee, shifty Schiff Intelligence Committee of the House?
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76STONE
77Yes. I mean, Adam Schiff is the Sammy Glick of the U.S. House [CREDICO laughs loudly] I mean, the man's so desperate to get to the U.S. Senate, that he thinks he's going to do so by stepping over _my_ body, has maligned me in public, basically said I knew about the hacking of John Podesta's emails, that were later published by Wikileaks - that's a lie. I never said anything of the kind, nor is there any evidence of that claim that I knew in advance about the scope and timing and content of Wikileaks disclosures in October of last year...you know, Wikileaks themselves, Randy, tweeted on July 31st of last year, that they had an enormous amount of material on Hillary Clinton and they would release it in October.
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79CREDICO
80Yes, I know.
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82STONE
83So, I'm not sure what the big state secret was here. But-
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85CREDICO
86He's [Schiff is] throwing hail marys. He's throwing hail marys.
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88STONE
89And in the American system, you know we have a right to examine the evidence against us, and to face our accusers. And I think I should have a right to appear before the House Intelligence Committee, and tell them the truth. But I don't think they can handle the truth.
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91CREDICO
92[does the Jack Nicholson impression you heard too often in elementary school] Hey, they can't handle the truth. It's Nicholson's line. [goes out of impression] Listen, Roger, I got just a few seconds left, I'm looking forward to you going before the Adam Schiff Committee, because I know you'll bury them, and I got a feeling they're gonna back off. We have to run, Roger, we're gonna play "Brother, Can You Spare A Dime" by Yip Harburg for you, but it's not by Jolson, it's by Bing Crosby. Can we get you back, in a couple of weeks, Roger?
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94STONE
95You can, but you got to promise to play the version by Jolson.
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97CREDICO
98You got it. You got it.
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100STONE
101So much better. Alright, here we go. We're only going to play a few seconds of it. And we're back with, Sergio Kiernan, from Argentina.