· 9 years ago · Oct 26, 2016, 11:40 AM
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2ohhhhh okies
3Kairos
42 hours ago
5\\ Burmice I didn't realise you were a god
6Kairos
72 hours ago
8but i can't say i'm surprised
9Kairos
102 hours ago
11that is where I will leave this, you are not worth the breath, thought or time of effort...good day
12Graye a
132 hours ago
14What's the matter?
15Kairos
162 hours ago
17her post is no better then my original post of the helms hold siege that khorak brought me up on
18Graye a
192 hours ago
20I'm reading it right now. I'm not all the way through but I don't see anything wrong with it so far
21Kairos
222 hours ago
23that is what is up Graye, countless time's has burmice pulled this stunt out of her hat, everytime something start going south with her character or she feels victimized in an instance, and quiet frankly you can not disclose information that has not been presented additionally she failed to allow the HARPERS or real investigation to take place
24Kairos
252 hours ago
26and effectivly ruined several rp's that were lined up to take place
27Kairos
282 hours ago
29example, the harpers were to talk to Cauri, and Bhael but that can't happen now because she's trotted off her whole trial
30Graye a
312 hours ago
32I don't get it. She's providing information to a courtroom. Much of this stuff I've heard talk of myself, it's been mentioned in game on several occasions. I see what you mean with the Harpers, Cauri and Bhael thing, but those conversations could still have happened and be retconned into events prior to the trial
33Kairos
342 hours ago
35She has gone over the heads of those who tried to be make this as 'real' as possible, the two people controlling the overall trial and detainment, I would have expected her to have the deceny to consult her idea's with I don't know say "Those involved"
36Kairos
372 hours ago
38She progressed with the trial before Lyv and I were ready to go ahead with it
39Graye a
402 hours ago
41Yeah I can see that being problematic for consistency
42Kairos
432 hours ago
44Problematic for consistency, Graye that's like looking at your DM and saying "I want to find a treasure chest full of loot" and not giving the GM time to respond
45Kairos
462 hours ago
47The siege of helms hold, was a colaberated effort, planned out carefully between the parties involved which we wanted to do with this, but clearly that is not the intention burmice had in mind.
48Graye a
492 hours ago
50I could be tired but I don't think I'm seeing what you're seeing. I agree the trial is rushed, but there's no taking control of reactions or opposing agents in the post, it's all one long rant of information from Burmice. Conversations with the Harpers, Cauri and Bhael and other things still have room to take place
51Kairos
522 hours ago
53How can investigation take place if the Accused has given her testimony to the court
54Kairos
552 hours ago
56it can't
57Graye a
582 hours ago
59retconning. This whole trial doesn't have to have taken place in the ingame timeline yet
60Kairos
612 hours ago
62Okay this is where forum RP is irritating
63Kairos
642 hours ago
65and i'll point out why
66Kairos
672 hours ago
68I have litened to conversation on Mumble, in game and on Discord, and It appears that these "Timelines" are all whitewash
69Kairos
702 hours ago
71People making "Future posts" and having players in game, bring it up as fact, and vice versa
72Kairos
732 hours ago
74before events are even able to happen
75Kairos
762 hours ago
77without producing a clean line as to when things are said / presented, from Forum RP to the IC RP, you get the mash of jumbled inconsistancy that does nothing but create headaches
78Kairos
792 hours ago
80The problem is, Lyv and I are the effect DM's of this arrest, and to have put forth a testimony without first consulting us on how it would happen, she ran ahead and "Assumed" that's how it would go.
81Graye a
822 hours ago
83You are? I was under the impression this was still under Bhael's plot, since it's all tied to that really.
84Kairos
852 hours ago
86It isn't
87Kairos
882 hours ago
89It has nothing to do with Bhael
90Kairos
912 hours ago
92but everyone think it does
93Graye a
942 hours ago
95The only reason she's in jail is because Elspeth captured her quasit, which was spying on Graye, who was helping Thia attack Bhael. From where I stand it's almost literally connected
96Kairos
972 hours ago
98It all stems to two points, 1) Burmice is being tried for her crimes of necromancy, murder, break in enter There is no interest in Bhael from the Tormites or Harpers, The harpers wanted to talk to bhael and ask why the Lord Regent, is associating with a necromancer or known demonoligist,
99Kairos
1002 hours ago
101the second part is 2) She was to be tried for the kidnap of Anora
102Kairos
1032 hours ago
104who is a harper
105Kairos
1062 hours ago
107but I wasn't given the time to consult with the parties i needed to before she went to trial, and began to dictate the judge.
108Kairos
1092 hours ago
110IT was never about bhael
111Kairos
1122 hours ago
113ever
114Graye a
1152 hours ago
116I mean, Burmice herself, the character, is directly connected to the Bhael plot to begin with. She's not even in the guild IC, but has been included because of her involvement with the Bhael plot.
117Kairos
1182 hours ago
119Yes but Bhael isn't the reason she is being investigated
120Kairos
1212 hours ago
122we all know she's associated
123Kairos
1242 hours ago
125This is what happens when everyone "assumes"
126Kairos
1272 hours ago
128and when you rush on ahead you don't leave time for teh actual fact to come into play.
129Kairos
1302 hours ago
131but hey what do I know, i've only been pulled up on it a couple times;
132Kairos
1332 hours ago
134And I know there are going to be people out there who go "Oh your over-reacting" , Am I? Really? am I not allowed to be irritated, agitated or aggrivated over this action? am I not permitted this?
135Graye a
1362 hours ago
137Bhael isn't the purpose of her investigation, true. But her investigation is an extension of events that transpired within the Bhael plot.
138Kairos
1392 hours ago
140That's your stance?
141Kairos
1422 hours ago
143Volkswagen motorgroup owns, Porsche and Lamborghini but those companies are allowed to make their own decisions.
144Kairos
1452 hours ago
146they may be an extension but they are their own entities
147Graye a
1482 hours ago
149There are arguments for both sides. Of course you're allowed to be agitated, but can you really blame Burmice's player for wanting to have a say in 'his own' RP so to speak? So far Burmice has been allowed very little agency in the matter. I know she's a prisoner, but still.
150Graye a
1512 hours ago
152And I don't think you can compare storylines to car companies :p
153Kairos
1542 hours ago
155Actually you can compare anything if you make the right links
156Kairos
1572 hours ago
158Burmice is more then permitted, but if your going to make a Trial post, Collaberate, When I got corrected on that horrid helms hold post, Khorak and I sat down and discussed the events, it was all pre-planned the outcome of events the overall goal, everything
159Graye a
1602 hours ago
161Which is great. And while I still agree the trial post came out of nowhere, Burmice never includes a conclusion or outcome to it. There's only a delivery of information and an open ending allowing for reactions
162Kairos
1632 hours ago
164Which is what I wanted to do with the Trial, I wanted Lyv, Burmice and I to sit down and work out the trial write it out together and then post it all up at once. but Burmice is so adamant on pushing buttons to cause irriation... At what point, Avery would be at the trial for burmices confession or whatever you wish to call it, but icly she's suppose to be consulting with Cauri, this is where timelines get whitewashed
165Graye a
1662 hours ago
167Yeah that is a bit of a shame. Maybe talk to him and ask if you could sit down for such a talk to get a more interactive trial scene out of it?
168Khorak
1692 hours ago
170why is there talk of a trial going on? I don't see anything in Burmy's post casting it as anything other than stuff she wants to say to the Lord Protector. And I also don't see that Burmy is out to cause 'irritation' with the info dump; it strikes me more as someone with no other options simply putting all her cards on the table.
171Graye a
1722 hours ago
173Now that you mention it, that also makes sense. I made the assumption of trial because it's described "For the second time now, she stood before the court of the Lord Protector"
174Khorak
1752 hours ago
176Right; but 'court' in this sense is the ruling court, not a trial cout.
177Luciifer
1782 hours ago
179\o/ YAAAAYYYY!!!!!!
180Khorak
1812 hours ago
182yay indeed
183Graye a
1842 hours ago
185In that case, it's not really out of place at all then.
186Graye a
1872 hours ago
188Heheh :p
189Luciifer
1902 hours ago
1913-4 new posts on page 2 and all of page 3 of Tezras thread posted
192Khorak
1932 hours ago
194yep, just a kind of desperation move
195Khorak
1962 hours ago
197yay Tez!
198Graye a
1992 hours ago
200Jesus fuck Luci
201Luciifer
2022 hours ago
203SHES SURFACE SIDE AGAIN YO
204Luciifer
2052 hours ago
206literally i have done nothing but write all day today haha
207Khorak
2081 hour ago
209good!
210Luciifer
2111 hour ago
212so burmy is gettin outta jail?
213Khorak
2141 hour ago
215no she just got an audience with Lord Protector to tell all
216Graye a
2171 hour ago
218Not necessarily
219Luciifer
2201 hour ago
221Whatever happened to hold for 24 hours then charge her for something if you have proof or release her?
222Khorak
2231 hour ago
224that may be what it comes to anyway
225Luciifer
2261 hour ago
227Awww i was gonna sexy time with Bhael...but now i'm so exhausted creatively...
228Luciifer
2291 hour ago
230haha
231Khorak
2321 hour ago
233aaaww
234Luciifer
2351 hour ago
236yer goin to bed soon anyway silly
237Khorak
2381 hour ago
239yeah true
240Luciifer
2411 hour ago
242thank you for all your help !!
243Luciifer
2441 hour ago
245Tez will repay Bhael for your help. *eyebrow waggle*
246Luciifer
2471 hour ago
248in cookies!
249Khorak
2501 hour ago
251yay!
252Luciifer
2531 hour ago
254oh that reminds me Tez is gonna be SOO hungry haha
255Khorak
2561 hour ago
257lol
258Luciifer
2591 hour ago
260alright i'm gonna go to bed i'm spent!
261Graye a
2621 hour ago
263Sleep well o/
264Luciifer
2651 hour ago
266nighty !
267Khorak
2681 hour ago
269yeah me too, g'nite
270Graye a
2711 hour ago
272Night night!
273Inquisitor_Rotafer o
2741 hour ago
275I see I missed a shitstorm
276Inquisitor_Rotafer o
2771 hour ago
278I will say this much
279Inquisitor_Rotafer o
2801 hour ago
281All this is information burmy was meticulously collecting while she was Maddie's ally, just in case and even passively
282Inquisitor_Rotafer o
2831 hour ago
284There's tons of mention of it in her diaries
285Inquisitor_Rotafer o
2861 hour ago
287she cringed IC at some of the things being told ,plainly
288Inquisitor_Rotafer o
2891 hour ago
290she does have shit on Bhael too, less of it but fairly marked
291Inquisitor_Rotafer o
2921 hour ago
293But hey
294Inquisitor_Rotafer o
2951 hour ago
296He's not the one she wants to take revenge on
297Inquisitor_Rotafer o
2981 hour ago
299I mean, hell, she gloated to Elspeth that maybe she should go to Knox as she'd have interesting things to tell
300Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3011 hour ago
302I mean, I'm sorry, but there's such things as mutual ties. I presume this kind of thing is part of the reason why noone got he arrested yet, and conversely , a part of the reason she hasn't gone to the authorities herself - she didn't want to risk dipping herself in
303Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3041 hour ago
305and Kairos, unlike you I passed this by the GM, and hell, I have pages of paper notes from conversations where things are detailed out
306Kairos
3071 hour ago
308You passed it by Lyv, Elspeth and myself really? I dont recall getting a memo
309Kairos
3101 hour ago
311because this trial wasn't to do with the bhael plot inf act
312Kairos
3131 hour ago
314but hey that's what assuming gets ya right
315Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3161 hour ago
317And for the second time
318Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3191 hour ago
320The first time was Thia's arrest
321Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3221 hour ago
323Hahahah
324Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3251 hour ago
326It hasn't? In what damned sense? I asked Khorak whether it's reasonable she'd rant her way to an audience
327Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3281 hour ago
329he said yes
330Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3311 hour ago
332hence my rply
333Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3341 hour ago
335and now,when you're coming to parallel timelines being frustrating ,I agreee
336Kairos
3371 hour ago
338this trial wasn't to do with the bhael plot in fact, which doesn't make KHORAK the GM
339Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3401 hour ago
341I had a host of my plans boil to nothing because by the time things happened in forums far too slowly for them to be of usewhen they concluded
342Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3431 hour ago
344so welcome to my life
345Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3461 hour ago
347... what how
348Kairos
3491 hour ago
350how many times do we have to say this
351Kairos
3521 hour ago
353Elspeth detained her, but the investigation on her necromancy and various crimes, the kidnapping of anora was what this had to do with
354Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3551 hour ago
356So Elspeth trying to get rid of a soft target that's Bhael's ally and dip him in shit as a result is unrelated to Bhael
357Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3581 hour ago
359yes very much
360Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3611 hour ago
362Read her speech
363Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3641 hour ago
365She mentioned that, then mentioned her unlawful detainment (even though it produced evidence) and reasons for it
366Inquisitor_Rotafer o
3671 hour ago
368Besides, nothing happens /instantly/
369Inquisitor_Rotafer o
37060 mins ago
371Harpers are still free to act
372Kairos
37360 mins ago
374I live with Elspeth, I know everything she posts and clear everything with her. "Unlawful detainment" Seriously unlawful? The Use of demon's to break and enter and spy, is not grounds for detainment?
375Inquisitor_Rotafer o
37660 mins ago
377as is anyone eslse
378Inquisitor_Rotafer o
37959 mins ago
380The mansion Graye lives in is notably abandoned
381Inquisitor_Rotafer o
38259 mins ago
383and as far as I know, she came in with her own personal guard
384Inquisitor_Rotafer o
38559 mins ago
386it had nothing to do with city authorities
387Inquisitor_Rotafer o
38859 mins ago
389those joined in /later/
390Kairos
39159 mins ago
392Right but do you forget Elspeth is apart of shadow, and the shadow stones netowrk, Do you forget SHADOW the organization exists?
393Inquisitor_Rotafer o
39459 mins ago
395Burmy IC isn't entirely aware of it
396Kairos
39759 mins ago
398Your right she isn't
399Inquisitor_Rotafer o
40058 mins ago
401though she has a stone that's currently being analyzed
402Inquisitor_Rotafer o
40358 mins ago
404again, I presume Neverember isn't a Shadow member
405Kairos
40658 mins ago
407but a smart girl like burmice
408Kairos
40958 mins ago
410come on nothing gets by you
411Inquisitor_Rotafer o
41258 mins ago
413Thinks to herself that hell, maybe she can talk her life out of it, and if not, at least she'll drag everyone else down to hell with her.
414Inquisitor_Rotafer o
41555 mins ago
416I mean, hell
417Inquisitor_Rotafer o
41855 mins ago
419There might even be SHADOW spies listening to her testimony
420Inquisitor_Rotafer o
42155 mins ago
422probably warning people down the line that "OH SHIT"
423Inquisitor_Rotafer o
42454 mins ago
425And asides from consulting with the GM here's the difference between this and the thing with Helm's Hold.
426Inquisitor_Rotafer o
42754 mins ago
428I played my character as far as I could stretch it.
429Inquisitor_Rotafer o
43054 mins ago
431You wrote the action and the outcome
432Inquisitor_Rotafer o
43354 mins ago
434not allowing Khorak ...well, nothing to act on, really.
435Inquisitor_Rotafer o
43653 mins ago
437/that/ is what was the big problem. Well, that and that the outcome was hideously implausible
438Kairos
43953 mins ago
440Your right and I was pulled up on it, and "Discussed it with Khorak"
441Inquisitor_Rotafer o
44253 mins ago
443Guess what
444Inquisitor_Rotafer o
44553 mins ago
446I discussed with Khorak
447Kairos
44853 mins ago
449get over it burmice, The trial and your detainment are NOT apart of the bhael story line
450Inquisitor_Rotafer o
45153 mins ago
452and had to remove a bit of information (the bit about speak with dead) that was apparently retconned
453Inquisitor_Rotafer o
45453 mins ago
455... how
456Kairos
45753 mins ago
458Elspeth made the arrest on her own
459Inquisitor_Rotafer o
46053 mins ago
461...and?
462Kairos
46352 mins ago
464Making that event Hers
465Kairos
46652 mins ago
467She hands you to The tormites and harpers
468Kairos
46951 mins ago
470Making you Ours
471Kairos
47251 mins ago
473Hadning the reigns of the event over to us, or was lyv setting the rules of engagment with your character not clear enough
474Kairos
47550 mins ago
476Then making it noted that they were investigating your 'necromancy' and 'kidnapping'
477Kairos
47850 mins ago
479noto association with bhael
480Inquisitor_Rotafer o
48150 mins ago
482... hahaha. Right , because suddenly you have run over every single NPC out there
483Kairos
48450 mins ago
485Right and Bhael controlls all the npc's in helms hold
486Inquisitor_Rotafer o
48750 mins ago
488uh, the last I heard
489Inquisitor_Rotafer o
49050 mins ago
491Will had spies there
492Kairos
49350 mins ago
494no
495Kairos
49650 mins ago
497he doesn't
498Inquisitor_Rotafer o
49950 mins ago
500and whatnot
501Kairos
50249 mins ago
503You are grasping at straws
504Inquisitor_Rotafer o
50549 mins ago
506No, I'm standing on a turf
507Kairos
50849 mins ago
509and your good at that, get overyourself
510Kairos
51149 mins ago
512Your not standing on anything but your own ego
513Kairos
51448 mins ago
515I'm done speaking with you...you are hardly worth the time of day, or waste of any further thought ta ta
516Inquisitor_Rotafer o
51748 mins ago
518Because apparently this is a setting where someone fairly liked at court, and who has suddenly been arrested under odd cicumstances and been accused of capital crimes
519Inquisitor_Rotafer o
52048 mins ago
521doesn't get to set testimony before the ruler
522Inquisitor_Rotafer o
52348 mins ago
524but where a sought-after assassin can waltz in front of paladins
525Kairos
52647 mins ago
527Welcome to an IMAGINARY world of Imaginary make believe things, where unicorns exist and fairys dance on mushrooms..
528Inquisitor_Rotafer o
52947 mins ago
530and where you can pry a barbarian army from the sack of a city without the use of a nuke
531Inquisitor_Rotafer o
53247 mins ago
533Yes , an imaginary world
534Inquisitor_Rotafer o
53547 mins ago
536which sitll has to make sense
537Kairos
53847 mins ago
539not getting baited
540Kairos
54146 mins ago
542I refuse to allow you to have any further ongoings within my life, hense forth.... cheers please do the kind thing and leave me be.
543Inquisitor_Rotafer o
54446 mins ago
545Chesterton's Observation: "It really is more natural to believe a preternatural story, that deals with things we don't understand, than a natural story that contradicts things we do understand. Tell me that the great Mr. Gladstone, in his last hours, was haunted by the ghost of Parnell, and I will be agnostic about it. But tell me that Mr. Gladstone, when first presented to Queen Victoria, wore his hat in her drawingroom and slapped her on the back and offered her a cigar, and I am not agnostic at all. That is not impossible, it's only incredible. But I'm much more certain it didn't happen than that Parnell's ghost didn't appear; because it violates the laws of the world I do understand."
546Inquisitor_Rotafer o
54746 mins ago
548I'll rest you with this
549Inquisitor_Rotafer o
55045 mins ago
551it is the crux of what we're talking about here
552Kairos
55345 mins ago
554I repeat "I refuse to allow you to have any further ongoings within my life, hense forth.... cheers please do the kind thing and leave me be."
555Inquisitor_Rotafer o
55645 mins ago
557and what honestly had me upset throughout yesterday. And get over yourself, you aren't the sole person present