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1[2:11 PM] Djriff: So can someone give me the tldr on keira?
2[2:14 PM] Yit: i haven't dealt with her at all but
3[2:14 PM] Kyatastrophe: shes crazy and stalked caelo
4[2:14 PM] Kyatastrophe: but shes fucking everywhere
5[2:14 PM] Kyatastrophe: so proceed carefully
6[2:15 PM] Yit: she has an unpleasant history with caelo
7slight egomania
8inflates her importance
9generally disliked
10[2:15 PM] Kyatastrophe: avoid engaging if possible
11[2:15 PM] Sandy Claws: Creepy stalker who has a long history of attention-whoring throughout the WoW community and makes every effort to get her hands in anywhere that will garner that attention.
12[2:15 PM] Sandy Claws: e.g. responsibility positions in various discords
13[2:16 PM] Sandy Claws: Most of the time the owners have no clue what they're getting into and hand over a role because Keira seems motivated.
14[2:16 PM] Kyatastrophe: its easier to deal with her in power than her not in power in places where that doesn't matter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
15[2:16 PM] Kyatastrophe: but like here, oh god no
16[2:16 PM] Sandy Claws: She also tried to cause a community schism in Acherus, of all places
17[2:17 PM] Sandy Claws: by creating a "we got banned from Acherus" discord and tried to pass it off as a legit UH TCing discord for a while.
18[2:17 PM] Kyatastrophe: acherus is not some bastion of a class discord (but that doesn't make her less nuts)
19[2:17 PM] Kyatastrophe: and she did not create it
20[2:17 PM] Kyatastrophe: i swear to god
21[2:17 PM] Kyatastrophe: i dont want to defend her
22[2:17 PM] Kyatastrophe: you're just outright not informed at all
23[2:17 PM] Kyatastrophe: or willingly lying
24[2:17 PM] Sandy Claws: Ok, she got mod in it, though, right?
25[2:18 PM] Kyatastrophe: no, at the time you threw a hissy fit about me linking it, she wasnt even a mod
26[2:18 PM] Kyatastrophe: i will go look if she is now
27[2:18 PM] Sandy Claws: I know from Mag and Banter's info that The Unholiest was literally a "we got banned from Acherus" discord before it became an effort to be a UH discord.
28[2:18 PM] Kyatastrophe: nope, still not even a mod
29[2:18 PM] Sandy Claws: And that Keira jumped onboard with that plan.
30[2:18 PM] Sandy Claws: Ok
31[2:18 PM] Sandy Claws: I'm not sure what her power was with it, but I know that was the focus of the problems she had with Acherus.
32[2:19 PM] Kyatastrophe: all that she has to do with it is that she's active there, which i've said repeatedly
33[2:19 PM] Kyatastrophe: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
34[2:19 PM] Sandy Claws: And did at one point try to be some sort of liaison to get it tagged here
35[2:19 PM] Kyatastrophe: yes, its a new class discord
36[2:19 PM] Kyatastrophe: she didnt even ask i linked it before she asked
37[2:19 PM] Kyatastrophe: and when she asked about it everyone freaked
38[2:20 PM] Sandy Claws: So
39[2:20 PM] Sandy Claws: I mostly get info about 'new' discords when it's part of internal community drama
40[2:20 PM] Sandy Claws: You mostly get info about new ones somewhere else, I guess
41[2:21 PM] Sandy Claws: So we end up coming to the table here with different initial explanations for why New Thing exists
42[2:21 PM] Kyatastrophe: by being nosy everywhere mostly
43[2:21 PM] Sandy Claws: Gotcha, right on
44[2:21 PM] Sandy Claws: I'm not dogging that at all, it's good to be attentive like that
45[2:22 PM] Sandy Claws: Although I kinda get the sense that you don't put much credence in drama talk, and on the surface, I'd say that's not a bad thing either
46[2:23 PM] Kyatastrophe: i'm just going to keep pointing out that your assessment of it as drama, while it may be the way that acherus views it, because of course they would is not how they act in any way
47[2:23 PM] Kyatastrophe: any schism of the DK community is a problem for acherus
48[2:23 PM] Kyatastrophe: even a legitimate one
49[2:23 PM] Kyatastrophe: and while i'm not asserting that they're legitimate TCs
50[2:24 PM] Sandy Claws: I mean... do you want me to share with you the entire body of info I've had delivered by DM from Mag and Banter? It's not just locker room talk, it's a package of several instances of shit following a clear theme.
51[2:24 PM] Kyatastrophe: i dont care why they broke off if they're helpful
52[2:24 PM] Kyatastrophe: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
53[2:24 PM] Kyatastrophe: you did at one point, i dont need to read it again
54[2:24 PM] Sandy Claws: No, I only shared a few snippets from Mag, lol
55[2:24 PM] Sandy Claws: The whole body of it is literally several pages of shit Keira has done, screenshotted, copypasted, etc.
56[2:24 PM] Sandy Claws: directly from the horse's mouth
57[2:24 PM] Kyatastrophe: yes i know what keira has done
58[2:25 PM] Kyatastrophe: i have a problem with your assertion that keira = unholiest
59[2:25 PM] Kyatastrophe: because she exists there
60[2:25 PM] Sandy Claws: Sure, I can concede that
61[2:25 PM] Kyatastrophe: that is all i'm asserting
62[2:25 PM] Sandy Claws: It doesn't change the fact that she used it as a vehicle to try to cause a schism, though.
63[2:25 PM] Kyatastrophe: i have no problem with you holding that against her
64[2:25 PM] Sandy Claws: And that's what I'm trying to point out for Djriff's info
65[2:25 PM] Sandy Claws: It's the intent that bothers me
66[2:26 PM] Sandy Claws: The effort to divide the community out of personal spite
67[2:26 PM] Sandy Claws: That is a huge problem for any community she's in.
68[2:26 PM] Kyatastrophe: neither you know i can know the intent of anybody who didnt state it, we can only guess.
69[2:26 PM] Sandy Claws: That was a hell of a deflection, lol
70[2:26 PM] Kyatastrophe: You trust mag, so you're taking her word on things, I don't know mag, so I'm judging that community based on the way it acts in it's own discord
71[2:27 PM] Sandy Claws: I think you're drastically minimizing the extent of shit Keira has been involved in because you don't want to read it all
72[2:27 PM] Sandy Claws: which I don't blame you for not wanting to do
73[2:27 PM] Sandy Claws: but it's really unhelpful to dismiss it.
74[2:27 PM] Kyatastrophe: 1) i'm working
752) i already know keira is batshit
76[2:27 PM] Kyatastrophe: i dont need more proof keira is batshit
77[2:28 PM] Kyatastrophe: until keira is put in a position of power somewhere, i'm not going to take her actions anywhere as representative of that community(edited)
78[2:28 PM] Kyatastrophe: because i believe that is inherently fair that any community
79[2:28 PM] Sandy Claws: Sure, but you're talking about it as if it's only like 2-3 problems in the distant past with only a few individuals who don't like her
80[2:28 PM] Kyatastrophe: convincing me she is more crazy is not going to convince me she is in a position of influence in unholiest.
81[2:29 PM] Sandy Claws: I'm not trying to?
82[2:29 PM] Sandy Claws: :WaitWhat:
83[2:29 PM] Kyatastrophe: the only thing
84[2:29 PM] Kyatastrophe: i'm asserting
85[2:29 PM] Kyatastrophe: which i'm going to keep repeating
86[2:29 PM] Sandy Claws: why would you be still focusing on something we already departed from?
87[2:29 PM] Kyatastrophe: is that her actions are not representative of that community
88[2:29 PM] Sandy Claws: Okay
89[2:29 PM] Sandy Claws: Covered that
90[2:29 PM] Sandy Claws: Moving on
91[2:29 PM] Kyatastrophe: you're not internalizing it
92[2:29 PM] Kyatastrophe: i dont need to know she's more crazy
93[2:29 PM] Kyatastrophe: i accept that
94[2:30 PM] Kyatastrophe: unless you have something that convinces me she's in a position of influence there
95[2:30 PM] Sandy Claws: Jesus fuck
96[2:30 PM] Sandy Claws: Kyat
97[2:30 PM] Kyatastrophe: like recent PMs between her and their leadership
98[2:30 PM] Sandy Claws: Remove the horse blinders, fuck
99[2:30 PM] Kyatastrophe: i dont give a shit
100[2:30 PM] Kyatastrophe: what are you trying to convince me of?
101[2:30 PM] Sandy Claws: 
102
103[2:30 PM] Kyatastrophe: yes you say that
104[2:30 PM] Sandy Claws: ALREADY COVERED THAT KEIRA ISN'T = UNHOLIEST.
105[2:30 PM] Sandy Claws: MOVE. ON.
106[2:31 PM] Kyatastrophe: what are you trying to convince me of then
107[2:31 PM] Sandy Claws: I'm not
108[2:31 PM] Sandy Claws: For fuck's sake, why is it suddenly about you?
109[2:31 PM] Sandy Claws: Djriff asked what was up with Keira
110[2:31 PM] Sandy Claws: I started explaining
111[2:31 PM] Sandy Claws: You corrected an item
112[2:31 PM] Kyatastrophe: yes
113[2:31 PM] Sandy Claws: I said "Sure, I can concede that"
114[2:31 PM] Sandy Claws: And then tried to clarify what the Problem is in the situation described
115[2:31 PM] Sandy Claws: rather than the semantics
116[2:32 PM] Sandy Claws: You continue to focus on the semantics.
117[2:32 PM] Sandy Claws: I don't give a shit if she's in power or not or ever was. The point is that Unholiest was leveraged, regardless of her power, as a means to cause a divide in an estabished community, for no other reason than to cause the divide.
118[2:33 PM] Sandy Claws: And just adding context clues here, Djriff is in a position worthy of being aware of that, given his place in the Priest community, which has already had messy issues with community schisms.
119[2:35 PM] Kyatastrophe: Keira will leveraging anythiing possible to end up in a position of power, she has no problem causing community headaches to do so, yes
120[2:36 PM] Sandy Claws: That is literally the point I was making.
121[2:36 PM] Sandy Claws: :RightOn:
122[2:36 PM] Sandy Claws: And in some cases, causes those headaches deliberately out of spite.
123[2:36 PM] Sandy Claws: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
124[2:36 PM] Kyatastrophe: I misread your continued elaboration as continuing argument of the point in discussion, my bad
125[2:36 PM] Sandy Claws: Nah
126[2:36 PM] Sandy Claws: Sorry
127[2:37 PM] Kyatastrophe: WE ARE GOOD AT ARGUING CAELO
128[2:37 PM] Sandy Claws: I just don't want Dj to read that "Oh she's not in power" as a "Don't be concerned" conclusion.
129[2:37 PM] Kyatastrophe: ya i am not going to argue that point lol
130[2:37 PM] Sandy Claws: Lol
131[2:38 PM] Sandy Claws: There aren't many people I'd say are honestly, seriously worth being concerned about just for who they are.
132[2:38 PM] Sandy Claws: But knowing that I'm not the only one she's stalked
133[2:38 PM] Sandy Claws: and knowing what I do from people I know have no reason to lie
134[2:38 PM] Yit: in conclusion, Djriff, any time keira's involved, things happen
135[2:38 PM] Sandy Claws: I'd say she's worth being concerned about just for who she is.
136[2:38 PM] Djriff: Honestly thag didnt help at all lol
137[2:38 PM] Djriff: Nor was it tldr
138[2:38 PM] Sandy Claws: lol
139[2:39 PM] Djriff: I remember her from the dk drama
140[2:39 PM] Sandy Claws: Well do you have any specific questions?
141[2:39 PM] Djriff: But other than that why do we care?
142[2:40 PM] Sandy Claws: She's just tried the same shit here a few times.
143[2:40 PM] Sandy Claws: As well as tried to get us to kill our classic channels and link to her classic discord.
144[2:40 PM] Djriff: Ah ok. So shes basically like amr trying to steal the community and promote her own brand?
145[2:40 PM] Sandy Claws: Aside from that, she's mostly just annoying in chat and has personally stalked me.
146[2:40 PM] Sandy Claws: Yes
147[2:40 PM] Djriff: I remember that
148[2:40 PM] Sandy Claws: That is a very accurate comparison.
149[2:41 PM] Yit: like yit, except yit doesn't stalk anyone
150[2:41 PM] Sandy Claws: Except imagine AMR doxxing their competition's personal info in the process of trying to steal said community.
151[2:41 PM] Yit: yet
152[2:41 PM] Sandy Claws: (Did it to me, Mag, Banter, and Banter's sister)
153[2:41 PM] Djriff: Pretty surr amr would of they could lol
154[2:41 PM] Sandy Claws: (that we know of)
155[2:42 PM] Sandy Claws: I'd say they're just a thorn in the side, but when someone breaches the irl barrier, I consider it another level of problem individual.
156[2:43 PM] Sandy Claws: So be scant about any personal deets in channels she can access, if you wanna be absolutely safe.
157[2:43 PM] Sandy Claws: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
158[2:43 PM] Yit: i keep hoping she starts some trouble here so i can quarantine her and fuck with her for a while(edited)
159[2:43 PM] Sandy Claws: I'm sure you probably won't have to deal with her in a problematic situation, but just in case.
160[2:43 PM] Yit: being an outisder she doesn't know
161[2:43 PM] Sandy Claws: That's surprisingly malicious of you, Yit.
162[2:44 PM] Sandy Claws: You're becoming a real mod
163[2:44 PM] Sandy Claws: :KhadgarHarhar:
164[2:44 PM] Yit: the soul's corruption is well underway
165[2:44 PM] Djriff: Eh i try not to get involved in the drama. Lord knows h2p has enough drama at times
166[2:45 PM] Djriff: Was just more curious as to why ive seen her name multiple times
167[2:45 PM] Djriff: Also wtf is this euro discord?
168[2:47 PM] Sandy Claws: Pretty much what it sounds like
169[2:47 PM] Sandy Claws: EU version of a LFG discord
170[2:48 PM] Sandy Claws: I've heard it gets fair traffic, so
171[2:48 PM] Sandy Claws: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
172[2:48 PM] Sandy Claws: more power to them.
173[2:48 PM] Sandy Claws: But yeah, you've heard their name a lot because of 2 things: A.) they want you to know their name and think they're important, and B.) multiple community staff teams have had drama problems with her(edited)
174[2:53 PM] Djriff: Ive ever acrually heard it in this channel lol
175[2:53 PM] Djriff: And alright. Seems a little silly to have a seperate discord just for that