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2#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/02 09:50
3As an object gets larger, it looks larger. As an object gets further away, it looks smaller. If it is infinately large (A strech plane), it will cover exactly 1/2 of the possible angles you can view it from. If an object is infinately far away, it will vanish.
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10it will half vanish? wth is infinately large?
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15Infinitely large objects aren't like that.The universe is infinitely large, but it curves around to form a sphere, just as such if you continuously travel upon it, eventually you'll reach where you were as if you went full circle. So if a infinitely large object (such as the universe, because I see no other way something can be infinitely large) were to be infinitely long (like the universe) your sight would bend around the edge.
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19#YrBCbooF 2008/06/03 00:37
20I do always this when I think of geometry:
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22In 2D the Universe would be a torus (a donut). And you'd see ALL of the Universe. And an object can't be infinitely lagre or far away in 2D, so it can't be so in any number of dimensions.
23In an open universe, you may see no object, you may see an infinitely large object, or you may see an object of size 1. inf/inf = 1 or 0 or inf, following different rules. So, the object is practically undefined.
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27#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/03 11:25
28Bildramer and Clouddark, you have given intelligent responses, but you simply prove the existence of the paradox. The solution is simple, but uncomprehendable. This is probably the only time we are truly limited by imagination. Imagination proves our intelligence, but limits our comprehension.
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30Clouddark, you cannot prove it is a sphere. You cannot measure the edge of the universe because it has no edge. The idea would only work if you look at the edge, but the 'point horizon' is to be infinately large and small at the same time.
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36#3tSahz79 2008/06/03 17:53
37Im not sure, but i think that the theroery of infinity was proven wrong some time ago. Plus even if universe is infinitly large, what is outside?
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41#3tSahz79 2008/06/03 17:57
42Also, I too think the universe is spherical,it seem every thing else is; Atoms, most cells, planets, and even waves of energy occur in circles or spheres.
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46#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/04 05:17
47Well, Torture King, if the universe was infinite, it wouldn't have an outside, and the question would be solved.
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49Infinity cannot be proven wrong. You can only believe in the lack of infinity if you are too human to benefit your people as a whole.
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56#3tSahz79 2008/06/04 07:12
57Well, if it is infinite: How could it have a shape? Plus infinity dosent make quantum sense, considering every options happens at the same time. If infinity existed, and the universe was infinitly large, it would not be logicly possible for there to be multiple universes. If the universe was a set shape, then there would probolly be more. p.s. this is my only account
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61#3tSahz79 2008/06/04 07:19
62oh, and to answer your original question: I would compare it to looking at the sky, if your theory is correct, than you continue to gaze at a myriad of matter which continues forever. If mine is right than it is a wall you are looking at, and it just seems infinite.
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68#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/04 10:36
69Torture King, you truly prove a point, but the concept of infinity and the lack of infinity are both concepts that would make sense only if you burn the other.
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71As far as we know, quantum physics is a relative matter and should not be depended on, if we look at infinity as a massive area of which there are an infinite possible combinations of matter and possibly non-matter (not antimatter. That is a stupid theory), and therefore infinite duplicates of infinite combinations (and of course, infinity^2=infinity). Therefore, if we see quantum physics is just a set of rules for matter, what of non-matter? If such a thing exists, there are infinite amounts of it and therefore we will not know.
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77#YrBCbooF 2008/06/05 02:03
78Ask Chuck Norris, we has counted 2 times to infinity :)
79Antimatter exists. It's just like electrons with positive electric charge and protons with negative electric charge. When it collides with matter, both turn into LOTS of energy. Anti-universes are a stupid theory, like having 14 dimensions, but antimatter exists for sure.
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83#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/05 05:32
84Bildramer, you are incorrect. Antimatter cannot exist. Here is why:
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90Antimatter is stupid. Dimensions could represent the universes on different planes of infinity, but there wouldn't be 14. THAT is also stupid.
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97Antimatter as a chemical component can exist b/(beacause) it is NOT negative. it IS a subactive faliure to generate existance thus, its quantative value, as adequately put, is a simple atempt at at REFINED CHEMICAL ABSENSE WITH NO TRUE VALUE OF FINITE EXISTANCE, WHICH IN TURN PROVES THE EXISTNCE OF THE BIG BANG AND WITHOUT ANTIMATER THE UNIVERSE WOULD BE INFINITE AND WOULD, IN TRUE PHYSICS, RIP ITSELF APART UNDER THE STRIAN OF MAINTAINING A FINITE EXISANCE, understood?
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103#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/05 06:25
104The universe is infinite, and therefore has infinite matter and infinite antimatter in infinite combinations of infinite subconbinations with infinite combinations of smaller combinations making up those combinations.
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108The Big Bang in itself was a finite explosion making up the KNOWN universe. We live in the outer areas of the remains. The Big Bang was only the size of an atom because the amount of heat compared to the gravity was much smaller, and therefore the object became tiny. A slight disturbance was all it took to start the heating process and the atom exploded.
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110Antimatter coud exist, but it is in itself a subsection of real matter. We know ordinary matter, antimatter (if it exists), energy (an actual form of matter), and dark matter. If this is true, there should be infinite variations of matter across the universe.
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114#3tSahz79 2008/06/05 09:32
115Also to add: The Big Bang was most likly the result of a black hole fillin g to the brim. Black holes DO exist, and they are made of highly dense matter with a huge gravitational pull, NOT anti-matter. I side with Sand master on this: anti-matter cannot exist due to the fact that a negative charge on some other galaxy would force it into ours, destroying both.
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119#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/05 09:51
120Another thing, antimatter is the proof of white holes, which don't exist.
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124I have seen this comeing. People think a black hole is actually a hole in the space-fabric. Well, its not. Its just a very deep imprint. No infinity.
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128#3tSahz79 2008/06/05 12:33
129a question to Sand master: what eqation would you use to find infinity? i came up with a relativly simple one for such a complex subject. A + 1 seems to sum up the concept, and string theory for that matter.
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140#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/05 19:41
141I do not agree with the string theory. Having tiny strings of energy making up everything including atoms I can believe, but the concept that there is nothing smaller is impossible. If infinity exists, then the counterbalance would be zero, and the secondary counterbalance would be 0.0_1 (_=repeating previous digit). The infinitesimal prove that we are not the largest things in the universe, nor the smallest. If we are made of atoms, they are made of something. If the strings are made of energy, they would exists but not physically.
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163#g0B8nGjo 2008/06/05 23:45
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168#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/06 05:02
169If you want the fully recorded conversation about infinity, e-mail me at vinster60@gmail.com. I will send it to you if you want it.
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175#3tSahz79 2008/06/06 07:54
176thats not what i meant by string throery,
177i meant that you start with one posibility at the beginning of time(or dang close) and for every extra possiblity, another universe, dimesion whatever you want to call it is created. kinda like cell-division only by now there would be trillions of universes eventually hitting infinity.
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181#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/06 08:21
182That is not true. These universes were always there, but were simply the same until the change, and therefore split off from the stem.
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190#2wdfIUIp 2008/06/06 08:49
191why is there an argument about there being or not being an infinity? cant we just drop the conversation and like talk about...orange?
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195#3tSahz79 2008/06/06 09:18
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200#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/06 09:36
201No. We are not arguing. We are having a pleasant conversation about completely theoretical subjects.
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205#3tSahz79 2008/06/06 11:10
206i wonder if there are infinite forms of life as well..
207like a still carbon yet crystalized form, or perhaps those varios monsters of greek myth were actully invaders from other worlds. p.s. if you havent noticed, i have revised my person thoery to incorperate infinity.
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211#YyzYUwYw 2008/06/07 02:17
212Oh my, we've having quite the mathematical discussion inside a particle-based physics simulator. I approve!
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218#ngamVvr2 2008/06/07 08:46
219Guys Stop fighting be nice as a team I bin reading your messeges latley and some of yours are not good!! Guys It is allmost 4th of July this is the time to love each and other so what do you guys say?
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223#3tSahz79 2008/06/07 10:33
224i grow bored with these provable subjects.
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228#3tSahz79 2008/06/07 16:09
229i thought the point of 4th of july was to hate Great Britain..
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233#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/07 22:15
234Exactly what I would say, Torture King.
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239the 4 of july is when we celbrate the conastun spelled wrong
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244Shut up bastard or should i say Cockhead
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248#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/08 00:57
249Goldman, go away. You just come in and unintelligently insult us. Why would you do this? You are intellectually inferior to half of the people on these comment pages, so don't go bragging.
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254Can someone please explain to me how the Big Bang created the universe? I mean if it created everything, then how did it create itself? Was there time and space before the Big Bang? For the reaction to take place, there must have been elements, and empty space for it to occur in, right?
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258#3tSahz79 2008/06/08 12:12
2591st there was "the big crunch" thgat made all matter in the known universe collide into a pinpoint of highly pressurized black hole. then a shift in the stuff created friction, a lot of friction due to the large amount of matter. to put it simply, the black hole exploded, and billions of years after the blast, the galxys are still drifting away from the center.
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263#3tSahz79 2008/06/08 12:15
264the big crunch, big bang thing is a cycle, first it is drawn into a black hole, then it explodes out of black hole like this.
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270#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/08 22:45
271Hayden, you are wrong. The big band a was a finite explosion. It did not create thhe entire universe, becasue then it would be infiniately small, or infinatey large. Not a finite number.
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277#93udd4yf 2008/06/09 06:37
278big bang did not create any thing, and i never said so. big bang was simply a black hole over-filling, and letting loose all known galaxys. like a bag of sand with a hole in it, only the bag has a gravitational pull. collects a huge amount of matter, then pulls it back in, over and over. i said i gave short answer, and i did this message is sinificantly larger.
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288There was no big bang or big crunch. God created the universe and everything in it.
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313#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/11 20:34
314Well, Ben, the Big Bang theory is but an explosion. It cannot truly make the infinite universe.
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334#MERkNAJJ 2008/06/12 05:19
335Also, there WAS no Big Bang! Technically, you wouldn't hear a Bang because there would be no matter for sound to pass through. So yeah it might have been an explosion, but there was no "Big Bang".
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341#MERkNAJJ 2008/06/12 05:21
342just because there is a bang, doesnt mean there has to be soud too. have you ever seen the effect of a distant explosion on glass? it shatters before the sound comes!! 
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346#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/12 05:32
347The big bang was an explosion. large one. Not meaning that it is actually infinite. Just large.
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352i am an antsiest so i believe in the big bang and does the idea of god really make sense? 
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357I agree with bombs away the big bang theory is the most sensible theory, and yes god probably does not exist. where is the evidence? yes im an athiest
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364also being an athiest does not really mean you believe in the big bang, i.e. i have friends who dont believe in the big bang and they're athiests
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368#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/12 19:36
369Jason, did you even read the things Torture King and I said?
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373#UPjyEwYJ 2008/06/13 08:35
374the big bang theory does make sence but honestly it does not interfere with religion so stop talking about it.yes i am christian and i still believe in the big bang. the beggining of the bible starts with god creating earth so who's to say science beats religon? no one. so do us all a favor and stop talking about it
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378#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/13 09:03
379WRONG, ST. Not only does the Big Bang occur 13 BILLION years ago, the world was said to be made 6000 years ago, not even long enough for stars and galaxies to form. We would be living on molten rock according to God.
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385#UPjyEwYJ 2008/06/13 10:07
386sandmaster shut up the earth is 4.6 billion years old not 6000 years. the big bang theory and religion can work together. the big bang states that the beggining of the universe was a sudden increase in size of a sub-atomic particle. the bible starts with god forming the earth, people, and everything else on earth. there is a huge gap beetween the creation of earth and the big bang. they have nothing in commen so you can believe in both of them. please if you are going to try and argue get your facts straight.
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391Do we really need to discuss science in a comments section of a game...
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395#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/13 19:43
396ahh, but it took seven rotations of the earth to do so, while it should take 4.6 billion.
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401#UPjyEwYJ 2008/06/14 09:07
402sand master nowhere in my post did i say that it took 4.6 billion years to make the earth. i said that that is how old the earth is today. and what holy texts are you reading because in the bible it simply states that the world was made in six days. again, do some research before you argue. 
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407The Number of 6000 years is NOT in the bible. It is a reconstruction based on the list of decendants of adam, which is very detailed (he lived for 930 years and got a son at the age of 130, and so on ...), and a list of kings (which is very vage). There is a lot of interpretation, and guesses. And they are all leading to different years.
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420The earth was made in 6 and a half of 7th day!! God was looking fo some bugs in the system!! xD
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424#UPjyEwYJ 2008/06/14 23:52
425/me2 thank you for having common sense. im glad someone saw my point
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430Hold on, the world cant be 6000 years old, dinosaurs anyone?
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439#UPjyEwYJ 2008/06/16 09:27
440twistclock i believe we already discussed that already please dont bring it up again
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445This is just a thought. The Lord may have said seven days to create the world but god was always so time for him is irrelevant. 7 days could be 7 billion years. proving the theory that god could have caused the big bang in th process of making the earth
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449#HEUMgSvk 2008/06/17 16:42
450The earth is only 4.5 billion years old, and Sol is not the center of the universe, nor are we the top dimension.
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460i see i am not the only one who enjoys debating reality in a fictional game's comments page ^-^
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470#AytkX45E 2008/06/19 07:59
471It's interesting to here people's opinions about how the earth was created. And the topic slightly relates to Earth Editor since it is about the earth.
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475#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/19 08:24
476You are still wrong. Even if God made man on this day or that day, it still puts the whole thing at a maximum timeline starting 25,000 years ago, still nowhere close to 4,300,000,000.
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478Abcxyq, you seem to obviously understand what has happened in the last month, but the subjects I have brought up here are completely, and COMPLETELY theoretical, with little proof for both sides. Quite like a pessimist/optimist debate, since we cannot find enough evidence on both sides.
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482#ieBmO5Wk 2008/06/19 09:06
483this is true sand master, there is no way to ABSOLUTELY tell. but there is evidence for the scientific reason. such as the stars drifting apart from each other. but i am not a scientist, so i cannot give much information... so as sand master said, we may as well end this debate. i hope i did not offend anyone in any way.
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487#yqUFaXbo 2008/06/19 14:34
488No sorry but there is a way to tell, it's called radiocarbon dating. Scientists are pretty sure on predictions by rocks found in Australia that the world is 4.5 billion years old. 
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494yeah clouddark i just meant the big bang. but yeah some of the oldest rocks in the world are those that you mentioned.
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499dont you badmouth god sandbasetard!
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504i hope you get smited. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkk you
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513#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/20 06:42
514jalapeno, I have nothing against Him. How did we get to this from the Big Bang? This is quite offensive to some people.
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530#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/25 04:47
531I believe we should shut up about the subject due to its offensiveness, and I apologize for bringing it up in the first place. Retracing our footsteps, it brings us to how the Big Bang, I do not care if you believe it or not, is actually a simple finite explosion from a large black hole.
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535#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/26 10:52
536Wait....I shut up? Why? I'm trying to keep this from getting out of hand.
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540#2ljKWq54 2008/06/27 14:25
541sandmaster shut up the earth is 4.6 billion years old not 6000 years. the big bang theory and religion can work together. the big bang states that the beggining of the universe was a sudden increase in size of a sub-atomic particle. the bible starts with god forming the earth, people, and everything else on earth. there is a huge gap beetween the creation of earth and the big bang. they have nothing in commen so you can believe in both of them. please if you are going to try and argue get your facts straight.
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544I saw this^ a while ago.
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546God created the universe, denser and smaller than the singularity point of a black hole, and it rapidly expanded. The Earth was part of that universe. Later, God added life and such to Earth. 
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548Easy to believe, and tilt's toward big bang and creation.
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551Afrew
552#vBKdNKDY 2008/06/27 16:40
553Aero, you are completely wrong. Religion can not work with the Big Bang at all. In the Bible everything and I mean EVERY SINGLE THING simply APPEARS on Earth, which also simply pops out from nowhere. The Big Bang states an atom (or star, I can't remember) explodes and because of the massive heat and radioactive elements causing gravity, which in turn would from massive spheres of gasses and dust particles which ALSO in turn would react with each other and form rock and other elements. There is no POSSIBLE way to explain ANYTHING in the bible scientifically
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557#vBKdNKDY 2008/06/27 16:41
558And just so you know Aero, NOTHING is smaller than the singularity of a black hole
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562#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/27 23:37
563Afrew, I thank you for your first post regarding the Big Bang, but it is untrue that a black hole is a singularity. A black hole is a finite mass, not meaning that it is light, just not a real hole. Light is a finite form of energy, traveling at finite speeds with a finite intensity, therefore can be absorbed by a black hole.
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567Expressable, exploitable, expendable.
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571#8pEthnKH 2008/06/28 03:40
572I am a christian. It doesn't really matter about how the world started, I'm going to Heaven so I'll just ask him when I get there and not worry about it now.
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575GOD
576#cjZl642K 2008/06/28 03:46
577THOU SHALT BE SMITED, THY SINITH OF SATIN, FOR THOU SHALT NOT SAY MY NAME IN VAIN. THOU SINNERS BE THUS: 
578Afrew, Sand master, and Aero SHALT PERISH IN HELL WITH THE BROTHER OF WRETCHED, LUCIFER. 
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581XxBlItZCReeDxX
582#5DR1ormn 2008/06/28 03:46
583Dude. It's a game, XANA. Stop wetting yourself.
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586XxBlItZCReeDxX
587#5DR1ormn 2008/06/28 03:47
588I'm a christian too, I play it.
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592#cjZl642K 2008/06/28 03:51
593HE, XxBlItZCReeDxX, SHALT BE IN HEAVEN, AWAY FROM THY SINNERS OF THY BROTHER, SATIN, BUT XANA, SHALT BURNITH HIS WRETCHED SOUL IN HELL, FOR THOU HATH SINITH. 
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597#RuHuMPql 2008/06/28 04:44
598what happens after you die? is their life after death or is death like sleeping with no hope of waking up?
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602#1HnLQa6V 2008/06/28 05:05
603u go god! smite them heathens!
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607#EqLWmNc7 2008/06/28 05:28
608There is no God. Think of all the things we must suffer
609If god LOVES us, or there is a God, he wouldn't do this to us 
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614#2V6Dgzgz 2008/06/28 06:30
615Hey GOD, how about you be quiet and go away. You aren't real and nothing about you is real. And Sand Master, you are completely wrong. I have done a report on black holes and black holes are infinitely small yet have infinite mass, infinite gravity, and release varying amounts of radiation. The only way the RADIATION can increase or decrease depends on how big or small the black hole is. A supermassive black hole releases the smallest amounts of radiation while the smallest black hole (I forgot the name) releases the most radiation. Also, the singularity is the CENTER of the black hole. Nothing can escape it or avoid it. ANYTHING that touches it will be compacted to smaller than microscopic size in less than a millisecond. ALSO, black holes are mobile. Black holes can move at 300,000 kilometers per second, destroying anything in their path except for possibly another black hole
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619#wrlCfTzs 2008/06/28 07:42
620wow jalapeno is christian to
621g-man is right
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624BALLS
625#XvzqosYJ 2008/06/28 08:05
626Damn, you fundies are head cases. Can't say much more for the people trying to argue back, though. (Seriously, read up on the points you're trying to argue. You just sound stupid otherwise.)
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628At the very least, it's entertaining.
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631Xor_Z
632#bZj8nFmZ 2008/06/28 09:04
633Actually, G-Man, that's not true. If God made this a perfect world, then what is the point of Heaven? Also, we had the chance to live in perfection, but Adam and Eve had defied God, therefore screwing us all to a non-perfect world full of sin. People always use the excuse, "Oh, if God was real then why are there so many bad things?" Well, there is your explanation.
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637#ieBmO5Wk 2008/06/28 09:11
638ha gods idea of old English is humorous, also satin is cloth. and wouldn't god say Lucifer? and balls shut up, you're making atheists sound like jerks.
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642#4hoXRpyM 2008/06/28 09:16
643People, stop trying to have religion arguments over the internet, especially on a games site. If you really want to waste your time arguing endlessly with people you'll never even meet, do it somewhere else.
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646Afrew
647#2V6Dgzgz 2008/06/28 09:18
648Xor Z, the Bible is a fake book made to try to explain why everything happens the way it does. It is used to explain something that humans cannot. That's why some people use the Bible and religion. They can't stand the fact of being wrong so they stand by fake stories and non-existent beings to try to feel like they know what they are talking about so know one knows that they are wrong. God didn't create the world, Adam and Eve never existed, and this world never was, is, or will be perfect. Even if this truth isn't what you want to hear, it is still the truth
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652#No9q6tcS 2008/06/28 09:41
653haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i cant take it inmore 
654i tot toth told (or how ever you splle it) it 
655was about earth editor not GOD EDITOR
656OR RELIGION EDITOR
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658.... MY HEAD hurts aaaaaaaaa 
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662#No9q6tcS 2008/06/28 09:45
663by the way howdid this god/religion start it
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666Aero
667#2ljKWq54 2008/06/28 10:11
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670A black hole's singularty point has a volume of zero and an infinate mass.
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673Bugs@Socks.com7
674#Mu5aRP9M 2008/06/28 15:16
675Woot! Christianity! Woot!
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679#bZj8nFmZ 2008/06/28 22:35
680Sorry to bring this up again ut I just have to prove two people wrong. Afrew, you can't prove that in any way, shape, or form. How do you know? Were you there? No, I didn't think so. And techdude14, you spelled it wrong. It's "Satan". Great job at looking like a fool.
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682Anyway, I'm done with that now. If people want to speak "the truth" with no evidence and just prove that they themselves are fools, okay.
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685randomjony
686#KyxmD4sa 2008/06/29 00:40
687Shut up Xor_Z. Afrew is right and hes cool!!
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691#bZj8nFmZ 2008/06/29 01:26
692Wow, randomjony, good point. Your logic had astounted me. I thought this ended anyway, I was only showing those two that they were wrong.
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696#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/29 01:55
697Also to top it off, the Bible is the #1 bestseller book, and is the most stolen book in the world! IRONY!
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701#xQFNTiZB 2008/06/29 04:42
702ok you know what? i BELIVE in the bible, and about 90% of what it said happened. Other people can have different belifes, but this is mine. The way Afrew said it, it sounded like no one could think different. So really, let poeple belive what they want.
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706#xQFNTiZB 2008/06/29 04:45
707you know, check that. Mine is TOTALLY different. I belive God strted the big bang. That's what i think
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711#cKqhIPeu 2008/06/29 05:33
712Afrew = RIGHT
713This quote = RIGHT
714Religious arguement on internet = GO AWAY
715Random christians coming here just to prove people wrong which they cant do anyway: GO AWAY
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717Decenecy: COME BACK FFS
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720ANNOYED.
721#cKqhIPeu 2008/06/29 05:33
722This quote = Xor Z, the Bible is a fake book made to try to explain why everything happens the way it does. It is used to explain something that humans cannot. That's why some people use the Bible and religion. They can't stand the fact of being wrong so they stand by fake stories and non-existent beings to try to feel like they know what they are talking about so know one knows that they are wrong. God didn't create the world, Adam and Eve never existed, and this world never was, is, or will be perfect. Even if this truth isn't what you want to hear, it is still the truth
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725Dragon-boy
726#f0GbtUiK 2008/06/29 06:37
727You know everyone has a different opinion so just let them have theirs, have yours, and SHUT UP ABOUT IT. Let them believe what they want and you believe what you want please.
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731#f0GbtUiK 2008/06/29 06:40
732And on the topic of this game not religious matters, I think a good change to the game would be if ice would freeze water.
733SO MUCH BETTER!
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737#2V6Dgzgz 2008/06/29 08:09
738Congratulations Xor Z, you finally found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. It is unfortunate for you that the pot is full of Fool's Gold. You know what Xor Z? I'll tell you your wrongs on email. My address is cheeseburgersub@yahoo.com Prepare to be proven wrong if you are man or woman enough to email me you arrogent fool.
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742#ieBmO5Wk 2008/06/29 08:11
743ok you guys need to stop talking to theists like they are insane. xor z was right its how we attempt to understand what we cannot see. so we need to stop this argument. obviously there is very little chance you can change anyones mind here, especially if you are rude. so comment on the game.
744THIS GAME IS FUN
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747Afrew
748#2V6Dgzgz 2008/06/29 08:47
749abcxyq what the heck are you talking about? First of all you spelled ATHIESTS wrong. Second of all, does being right mean you are insane? Xor Z was wrong by saying that black holes behave differently than what I said they do, and I know for a FACT that I was right. I am fascinated with black holes and have studied them for years by looking at several different websites (NOT WIKIPEDIA) and searching up pictures and diagrams. Anyone who denies that and has the CHANCE to look at such evidence about black holes AUTOMATICALLY makes them an idiot. Also abcxyq, do you have evidence that Xor Z is correct? No you don't. Look at my previous "conversation" with Xor Z and see the error of your ways. And abcxyq, Xor Z NEVER said in ANY of his comments ANYTHING about TRYING to understand something we cannot see. He was TRYING to state that I was INCORRECT in my PROVABLE FACTS. I was stating that Xor Z was INCORRECT because he cannot prove ANYTHING in ANY RELIGION. abexyq you need to butt out of other people's business when you don't know what's going on. Christians and other religion fanatics are the ones who are insane you sack of ignorant meat
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753#f0GbtUiK 2008/06/29 10:17
754Please just stop.
755Talk about the game!!!
756This whatever you call it forum post-maker chatty thingy whatever you call it, IS MADE FOR GAME RELATED THINGS. Find some other site to post your religious problems or whatever on i don't care just not here please
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760#ieBmO5Wk 2008/06/29 10:52
761no i was talking to the atheists (which i am) about theists. 'the' means religion so a theist is someone with religion, 'a' means without, so atheist is someone without religion. im sorry i typed the wrong name and meant you, afrew. now stop insulting people. i concede that i am ignorant, as i am not an astronomer. but if u think about it, they are not insane for trying to find a reason for everything. do u call scientists crazy for doing the same? as i said you cannot change someones mind by yelling at them.
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765#bZj8nFmZ 2008/06/29 11:25
766I never said anything about black holes, I really don't know how that came up, but I'm not goingh to get in an argument with some people who resort to insults and name calling. I only said some things that proved people wrong, I NEVER said that my religion is better than anyone else's, and I never said I was right. i merely said some things that proved what people said was wrong. Anyway, I'm done. I'm not replying to anyone who's going to resort to name calling and insults. Good day.
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768Game related: I think it would be very interesting if they added stars, where your planet would revolve around it, and eventually the star would go supernova and spit fire and meteors everywhere.
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772#2V6Dgzgz 2008/06/29 13:29
773abcxyq you are an idiot. You are insane if you believe an invisible man tells you what to do. You are insane if you think that when you die you go to a utopia land IN THE SKY. I am not saying scientists are insane at ALL because they have EVIDENCE of almost EVERYTHING THEY STUDY. And Xor Z you are a hypocrite. You just typed that you wouldn't reply to comments anymore and you JUST DID
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777#VVNQQq8d 2008/06/29 15:47
778I SOOO go with afrew on this at the moment. He says what i think just like 10x better.
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781Mr. Robot
782#P2OY8zLp 2008/06/29 22:17
783end this stupid argument and buy a dog?
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787#f0GbtUiK 2008/06/30 02:05
788please just talk about the game and find somewhere else to talk about this sh*t
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792#ieBmO5Wk 2008/06/30 03:41
793ok this is the last thing i will say on this subject. i did not say scientists were crazy, i said that everyone is just looking for an explanation. you are an idiot if u think these people are crazy. its true that science has a logical explanation and religion has none. go rant somewhere else, talk about the game.
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797#3RCLiyAZ 2008/06/30 03:55
798theists are not crazy. They simply grew up with the wrong belief (I don't care if you disagree), and since so much of the world is based off the explanations given off in the Holy Texts, they can't simply let go of everything they held true.
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802#Myla7Jyd 2008/06/30 04:14
803Would you all just SHUT UP ABOUT THE WHOLE RELIGION THING!!!! What next, are you going to talk politics?!?!
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807#ikjhBEXM 2008/06/30 04:18
808people should stop being racist about religions and SHUT UP AND TALK ABOUT THE CRUDDY GAME!
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811Crazy news
812#Nj3pEwO5 2008/06/30 04:27
813I hear that there's a group of scientist wanna make a black hole with a large machine for tests..... But others denied him for starting the machine because the machine IS COMPLETED.
814We are gonna be suked up..... NOOOOO!!!!!
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818#2ljKWq54 2008/06/30 13:42
819Afrew, they do not go to 'the sky', they go to heaven. Since all three dimensions are bound, the only way for it to be in the sky if it were going ONLY through the 4th dimension.
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823#2ljKWq54 2008/06/30 13:45
824P.S. I heard that there is a program that lets you play with a rubik's hypercube(4-d cube). Don't ask me how though.
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828#DSl1LKQw 2008/07/01 10:10
829i have to go with Xor z on this talk. afrew is annoying and dumb. period.
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831now to the game: I DONT GET IT.
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835#UPjyEwYJ 2008/07/02 03:44
836crazy news the only thing that is anything like what you said is the 6 billion dollar experiment to make a copy of the big bang.
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840#ieBmO5Wk 2008/07/02 07:59
841can someone explain what the idea of a fourth dimension is? and how would you graph something in 4 dimensions? 
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845#5W5JKPdo 2008/07/03 03:44
846Sand master
847There are no such things as the "right" religion and the "false" one.
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850Sand master
851#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/03 03:54
852It is all a perspective, Yonder...
853Strange Cheese was right. Abandon this debate completely. I already stated that I regret bringing up the subject. Politics is mild and opinionated, thus being far less hurtful.
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856Clouddark
857#yqUFaXbo 2008/07/04 09:48
858@abcxyq
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860Time is the fourth dimension, and a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract is a fourth dimensional object. I don't even understand how really.
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864#93udd4yf 2008/07/04 16:04
865I apologize for not sendind ing a message sooner, my internet was down. So im just gonna respond to everything I see on the page, top to bottom. Whether or not the Bible is correct because there is the exact same amount of evidence any other religoin is dependable. Afrew, how are you so sure that listening to invisible people is stupid? They may very well be beings in the 4th- upth demention that our 3-d based minds cannot comprehend.The Fourth demention cant be time, as it does not follow the pre-set pattern of adding more depth. That is why the Tesseract is 4-D. ANNOYED, I am not critisizing, you mearly pointing out that the bible has been translated 745 times, after many translations it becomes easy for information to change, especially considering their limited knoledge of math. The chance of misinterpreting how big the ark was, or how long the earth was worked on could quickly sound like massive accomplishments. (yes i am catholic) It appears thats it, I apollogize for insulting anyone<Im sure I did, these are touchy subjects> and now Im off to try out the ICE and PLAYER funtions. CYA!
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869#93udd4yf 2008/07/04 18:33
870it appears that i was typing that slower than i thought it, please excuse the many grammatical errors i made.
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874#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/04 21:13
875A neutral, correct explanation that should mark the end of our discussion byt Torture King. Thank you for that.
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879#8naO4yH7 2008/07/06 05:10
880Mr. Man Guy, I don't ever remember addressing you. How about you keep your nose out of other peoples' business. Can you do that Mr. Hotshot? You are only taking Xor Z's side because you are probably Christian. TORTURE KING, I am NOT yelling at you or being mean at all, but how can you say that listening to INVISIBLE people DOESN'T make you insane or crazy? Do you know why most people are in insane asylums? BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY HEAR AND SEE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T REALLY THERE. And Aero, how can you simply say heaven is in the 4th dimension? Are you a scientist? How about you give me some evidence that there even IS a 4th dimension before you make the ALREADY false assumption that heaven is in a theoretical dimension
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884#8naO4yH7 2008/07/06 08:13
885I am sorry Clouddark, but you got that link from Wikipedia, therefore I can't believe it because it can be submitted by ANYONE even a 4 year old. Since anyone can submit anything, I can't trust it
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889#ndvc9Jmb 2008/07/06 09:30
890christianity is nice and all, but what bout catholics? anybody a catholic here?
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893Sand master
894#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/06 12:37
895Not this again! i thought I got us around this! And you call me negative, you are attracted to toics that take flaming to a new level! I regret ever mentioning it for the third time!
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899#FcvPB7OJ 2008/07/06 18:39
900im a catholic, but please, it doesn't matter, everyone has their beliefs, so don't try arguing with me about it.
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904#5sqADKlN 2008/07/06 18:44
905come on, why is everything so off-topic here?!? Just talk about Earth Editor and dan-ball related stuff, what is the matter with you guys? Is it that freaking hard?!?!?
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909#FBtCdglD 2008/07/06 20:10
910im a catholic
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914#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/06 23:32
915A.E.G.0., it is good to have intelligent conversations, but not when we flame about it.
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917If you read back, we had a pleasant agruement about physics and mathematics.
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921#93udd4yf 2008/07/07 07:52
922I happen to have a spit-personality, techically "Thomas" is invisable, yet he is the single most intelligent person I've ever met.
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926#93udd4yf 2008/07/07 07:52
927Am I crazy?
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931#93udd4yf 2008/07/08 12:56
932I grow more and more bored of these constant arguments, I truly miss the old debates.
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936#93udd4yf 2008/07/08 13:05
937And I wasnt flaming, flaming is an insult via the web. I was posing a question Ive been wondering for 4 years attempting to get a second oppinion.
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941#LiuPABK4 2008/07/08 15:41
942Then, yes, you are crazy. xD
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946#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/08 21:37
947Which question was this again, Torture King?
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949This was not flame war. It was a debate predicted to spiral out of control.
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953#GZupINWX 2008/07/09 02:12
954Are you serious torture king about being crazy?
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958#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/09 04:39
959He is not crazy.
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963#T1L6XVci 2008/07/09 05:20
964@Everybody
965Crazy would be like a schizophrenic. Talking to yourself or another person that doesn't exist isn't crazy, it's actually a very good way to solve problems. It's like having your drive partitioned to install windows and linux.
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967@Afrew
968That shows your ignorance. Saying that a tesseract is made up by wikipedia is like saying nuclear fusion is made up by wikipedia because it's on there.
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972#93udd4yf 2008/07/09 09:29
973The question was "Am I crazy?" and I'll admit when read it sounds like I was snapping. The best answer I could come up with is that every last human being deserves to stay in a mental-illness hospital. This is because not only have we come up with illogical systems such as economics (Which always makes someone go hungry) but we've also stuck with these horrid systems for thousands of years. However, that is not why I think I'm crazy, have you ever simply watched without judging an animal? they don't seem to care about anything but the continunce of there kind. Mean while not only do we brutally murder each other for little more than sport, but we actually contridict ourselves by philosophising why we exist! Even comprihending all this and feeling as if these phenomena cannot be changed seems to border-line on insane, no?
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977#llaltKm5 2008/07/09 14:07
978@Torture King
979For someone who appears to know what he's talking about, you have the worst spelling abilities I've ever since.
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981I for one have the most volatile emotions of anybody I know. Just ask Cloud. :D
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985#93udd4yf 2008/07/09 14:55
986I tend to make mistakes in typing, because I dont particularly care about grammar. It doesnt seem to have much of a use.
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990#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/09 22:15
991Torture King has proved all insanity in a nice, short paragraph.
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993I don't know if I am insane or if I am one of the few sane people in the world. I mean, I have unlocked the key to the macrocosms and the microcosms, I have stripped human nature and nature itself of all things clouding it, and managed to create a solid theory, all because I opened my mind to one small thing. Problem is that there seem to be side effects.
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995Does this make me crazy, or sane beyond the point of Human nature, which I have fought to leave behind?
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997What is the standard for insanity? At which point do you become insane?
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999I have come to realise, when applying my theory, Insane people are a minority. That is all. Being sane is relative to the sanity of the surrounding area. If I was perfectly sane, but everyone else was more, would that not make me insane? People simple take someone who doesn't fit in with the group, and shoves him in the "Insane" section.
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1003#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/09 22:18
1004In conclusion, and according to my opinion of him based on previous comments, Torture King is not only not crazy, but has a clearer view on the universe and soceity than the majority of the human race.
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1007Clouddark
1008#T1L6XVci 2008/07/10 00:31
1009I don't think anybody is understanding crazy. 
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1011cra&#183;zy Audio Help /&#712;kre&#618;zi/ [krey-zee] adjective, -zi&#183;er, -zi&#183;est, noun, plural -zies.
1012&#8211;adjective
10131. mentally deranged; demented; insane.
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1015You arn't crazy because you had a scientific breakthrough, your a thinker.
1016Unless what you found isn't completely proved to be real and may be spiritual, then yeah, your crazy.
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1020#T1L6XVci 2008/07/10 00:33
1021@Torture King
1022Also, not using grammar in the English language is like playing an instrument and not tuning it. Sure it's not exactly needed to play the instrument, but your going to sound horrible if you do play it.
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1026#pwME5vof 2008/07/10 03:24
1027Clouddark you are an idiot. I am saying I can't trust it because ANYTHING ON WIKIPEDIA can be submitted by ANYONE. Since ANYONE can submit, a lot and I mean a LOT of things on there are either completely false or partially false. A THREE year old could post something hopelessly wrong on Wikipedia and some people will think it is correct simply because they SOUND like they know what they are talking about. Pull your head out of your butt before you talk Clouddark, because I didn't say ANYTHING about tesseracts. Looks as though YOU are the ignorant one
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1030Torture King
1031#93udd4yf 2008/07/10 08:45
1032"You arn't crazy because you had a scientific breakthrough, your a thinker."
1033
1034Cloudark, Do relise there is a diffrence between smart and sane? I am not trying to start an arguement, since the the subject of the arguement would probolly be off-topic. Now that thats cleared up, I now have my second oppinion: I'm the equalivant of a mad scientist, minus the taking over the world thing( I'd be bored if I succeeded). Another thought: Is there really such thing as "normal"? After all it's common knoledge that everything fluctuates.
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1036
1037Torture King
1038#93udd4yf 2008/07/10 08:52
1039And afrew, you can say Cloudark did something ignorant, but after the multiple intelligent things hes/shes (can't really know for sure) posted, to call him/her ignorant and/or idiotic would only suggest the same of you. I may not care much for grammar, but in this day and age, you must be careful how you phase things.
1040
1041
1042Sand master
1043#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/10 12:02
1044I agree with Torture King, but you should read what I said, I bridged the path between 'Smart' and 'Sane.'
1045
1046Also, wikipedia is reliable. Unless you are looking for something only you will know, hundreds, maybe thousands of people are fixing it.
1047
1048Popular pages could be fixed within 15 seconds.
1049
1050
1051Afrew
1052#pwME5vof 2008/07/10 12:58
1053Yeah, POPULAR pages can be fixed within 15 minutes, but there are billions of trillions of other pages that are still wrong. And Torture King, you obviously don't know what Clouddark and I said to each other so butt out. He said something wrong so I corrected him
1054
1055
1056Clouddark
1057#T1L6XVci 2008/07/10 17:01
1058@Afrew
1059Because a three year old has the mathematical, grammar, and mastery of the English language to fathom something like a 4 dimensional cube.
1060http://www.cut-the-knot.org/ctk/Tesseract.shtml
1061You are the most ignorant person I have ever met.
1062
1063@Torture King
1064Do you realize? Because all you seem to do here is further assert that your retarded.
1065Your not a mad scientist because you say so.
1066
1067
1068Torture King
1069#93udd4yf 2008/07/10 17:18
1070Somehow I feel as if this conversation has gone from arguement to debate to arguement again. It must be all the name-calling. In any case tessaracts are 4-d, whether or not wikipedia is trust worthy or not is a bit of a mute point, and insulting clearly shows that you can think of nothing else to say, which in turn shows a large lack of vocabulary, which shows in turn yet again that you really should'nt be insulting anyone, unless you prefer to be a hippocrite.
1071
1072
1073Clouddark
1074#T1L6XVci 2008/07/10 18:51
1075@Torture King
1076Giant run-on sentence.
1077By the way, you shouldn't insult people on a language that you cant use well.
1078See that shouldn't up there? That means it's should not, not should ont or something. I also suggest you find out what hypocrite actually means.
1079
1080
1081Also you contradicted yourself.
1082
1083
1084Afrew
1085#pwME5vof 2008/07/10 23:56
1086Clouddark, being a cocky pushy know-it-all who thinks they are better than someone else doesn't make more people like you. It means people will get more annoyed with you. And using a long string of advanced words such as fathom doesn't make you sound smart if someone knows what they mean. That first sentence you directed at me made no sense. And how could I be the most ignorant person you have ever met when you are the one getting stuff from Wikipedia instead of that ACTUAL sight you gave me? All I said was that I couldn't trust it because ANYONE can submit something in Wikipedia. You shutting me down and insulting me makes you a closed-minded person because you can't take more than one side of an argument, making YOU the most ignorant person I have ever met
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1089Sand master
1090#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/10 23:58
1091I don't understand what Clouddark has found to bridge sanity and mental illness. I am insane. Does this make me stupid?
1092
1093
1094Sand master
1095#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/11 00:13
1096Afrew is wrong too. There are not 'billionsof trillions' of articles.
1097
1098And compared to the amount of articles, only a few thousands, possibly a couple hundred, actually fail to be fixed. Not to mention that nobody ever looks at 'this book's article.'
1099
1100I found a rare article that was vandalized. Five minutes later, I checked and it was fixed.
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1102Wikipedia IS reliable on almost everything. There may be something that hasn't been fixed, but that only means nobody goes there.
1103
1104
1105Clouddark
1106#T1L6XVci 2008/07/11 00:38
1107@Afrew
1108TL;DR.
1109Make posts like Sand Master or I do.
1110
1111@Sand Master
1112No, your not insane either.
1113
1114
1115DarkRaine
1116#wta8gWNy 2008/07/11 04:21
1117I don't want to get involved with the argument, but clouddark, u contradicted yourself earlier, claiming that one should not insult someone on a language they can't use well, you didn't exactly use english well, u said on instead of with, don't insult me on using run-on sentences or using internet abbreviations, again, i don't wanna get too involved
1118
1119
1120DarkRaine
1121#wta8gWNy 2008/07/11 04:24
1122Also, i wanted to point something out, just cause ur not using wikipedia doesn't mean the website is reliable, wikipedia is only slightly less reliable cause u don't know who coulda wrote it, but other websites are the same, as far as you know, they also wrote something wrong. I understand that people vandalize wikipedia, but still, think about it
1123
1124
1125Clouddark
1126#T1L6XVci 2008/07/11 04:28
1127@DarkRaine
1128First off, saying "That point was invalid on the topic." is completely valid.
1129Second off, you're a hypocrite.
1130Third off, don't post if you don't want to get involved.
1131Fourth off (or whatever), read the entire argument before you make a post.
1132
1133
1134Torture King
1135#93udd4yf 2008/07/11 08:14
1136White wolf, its because your only able to post twice.
1137
1138Clouldark, exactly how can you judge who is sane/insane and who is smart/stupid? 1) I'm pretty sure if one beleives he is insane, he is. Then again an insane person would say he's fine, just because he was wrong the second time, does'nt mean he was wrong the first time.2) As for intelligence, I'm pretty sure that litte things like grammar really have no effect on it. (Albert Einstien did'nt tie his own shoes). 
1139
1140
1141Afrew
1142#pwME5vof 2008/07/11 12:43
1143All right Clouddark, you are just broadcasting to everyone that you don't like to accept any other opinion. I am not saying ALL websites are reliable, I am just saying Wikipedia can't always be reliable because anyone can submit. You don't always have to put people down and yell at people Clouddark. That makes you a jerk
1144
1145
1146Sand master
1147#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/11 15:15
1148No, it makes you stubborn. Torture King is right, and has been right, or at least neutral on the arguments I have witnessed since the big Infinity Thing. I agree with him now as well.
1149
1150
1151Clouddark
1152#T1L6XVci 2008/07/11 22:43
1153@Torture King
1154Because your grammar and all around English skills are horrible. I'm one step away from failing High School and somehow I can write better than you.
1155As for the sane/insane part. No, if I believe I'm a flying monkey with 6 arms am I one? No, I'm not.
1156Your not insane because you think you are. You're insane when you start hearing voices in your head, or seeing people that aren't there. Or even, throwing feces at other people.
1157When your insane, you'll know it, the tall men in lab coats is a key giveaway.
1158
1159Also Albert Einstein was too busy, sure when you discover a lot of things and become world famous then I'll excuse your poor English skills.
1160
1161@Afrew
1162Your ignorantly hypocritical. 
1163
1164@Sand Master
1165Your first sentence makes no sense, considering it doesn't have a noun.
1166
1167
1168EvAnG3L1st 2
1169#ZYbWsDap 2008/07/11 23:14
1170Rofl Clouddark is relly funny when he said he was a hypocrite, lmfao XD
1171
1172
1173Dragon God
1174#iiSzYhu7 2008/07/12 08:50
1175I like the Earth Editor comments... A LOT OF DRAMA! =)
1176
1177*Grabs Popcorn*
1178*Grabs Soda*
1179*Relaxes*
1180*Come to Earth Editor Comments*
1181
1182
1183Torture King
1184#dxgcRe0n 2008/07/12 15:39
1185I hav'nt gotten to high school yet. I actually do have a voice in my head (who now refers to himself as the general) when I close my eyes, I can see him, (as he wants to be seen). By your definition, I'm apparently 2/3 insane. By mine however, Everyone is. Considering everyone is difrent, and the word sane refers to anyone out of the typical range of thinking. Considering this there is no true range of normality. Oh, and instead of overlooking the actual words because they are not grammatically perfect, I myself would try to read them so that I may adapt the various theorys I have about the world. 
1186
1187(off topic) Out of curosity, and a love of world-mythology I am compelled to ask: Dragon God, Are you the god of dragons, or simply a god who happens to be a dragon?
1188
1189
1190Sand master
1191#3RCLiyAZ 2008/07/12 22:58
1192Clouddark, are you stating everyone else is insane?
1193
1194And I had a noun in my sentance.
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1196
1197Afrew
1198#pwME5vof 2008/07/13 00:56
1199Hey clouddark, give me some evidence I am a hypocrite you retarded sack of trash. You don't have any idea what you are talking about. The thing is you DON'T know when you are insane. That is the whole POINT of the word insane. It is when you don't know what you are doing. With that being said, every Christian is insane then. CLOUDDARK PROVIDED THIS EVIDENCE: You're insane when you start hearing voices in your head, or seeing people that aren't there. Also Clouddark, your last paragraph had lots of errors in it which make YOU a hypocrite. 
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1201As for the sane/insane part. <--This should be a colon not a period.
1202
1203No, <----THIS should be a period
1204
1205You're insane when you start hearing voices in your head, or seeing people that aren't there. <---This period should not be here Or even, <----There should not be a comma here
1206So Clouddark, where is your evidence again that I am the hypocrite? It looks as though YOU are the hypocrite because I actually have evidence. Oh, and happy birthday sonic333
1207
1208
1209Afrew
1210#pwME5vof 2008/07/13 00:59
1211I am saying you are the hypocrite because you yell at people constantly about grammatical and spelling errors and then you can not even get punctuation right. Also, you are probably not even in high school yet Clouddark because if you were you would know not to be a little punk jerk about something so stupid as this. So how old are you you stupid little boy? I am guessing under the age of 13 otherwise you would provide us with a more intelligent argument instead of saying the same false thing over and over again
1212
1213
1214cuuldude
1215#RuNN9Kly 2008/07/13 02:53
1216Dragon God:
1217
1218I totally agree
1219*Grabs Popcorn*
1220*Grabs Soda*
1221*Relaxes*
1222*Come to Earth Editor Comments*
1223
1224lol :-)
1225
1226
1227Torture King
1228#dxgcRe0n 2008/07/13 05:55
1229Considering that noone has directed any thing to me I really have nothing left to add, as I have forgotten what this was about. Happy Birthday!! 
1230*cue balloons falling from the sky*
1231
1232
1233Clouddark
1234#T1L6XVci 2008/07/13 06:44
1235@Afrew
1236Your now angry at me for hypocrisy, but by doing so you are yourself a hypocrite due to the thing your mad at you do yourself. 
1237With that being said, how old are you Afrew? Yelling and screaming like a little kid. Also by calling me names, you are a hypocrite, again.
1238"As for the sane/insane part. No," It would be "As for the sane/insane part, no." according to you. But I am saying: as for the sane/insane part. (NEW TOPIC) No, (PAUSE) if I believe blah blah.
1239The first sentence is a topic sentence, all it does is state the upcoming topic for the next sentences/paragraph.
1240The next point you made, would be: "You're insane when you start hearing voices in your head, or seeing people that aren't there, or even throwing feces at other people." Thats a huge run-on sentence, and completely unneeded. Also, after "or even" is a pause, it's not exactly necessary but it still works.
1241Don't correct me on my English when you're not so good at it yourself.
1242
1243So far thats three charges of hypocrisy on you, I have one but for a completely different reason then you stated.
1244I called you a hypocrite because you told me to accept other peoples opinions, when you would not accept mine. Stating this both made me and you a hypocrite. I think.
1245
1246
1247Afrew
1248#pwME5vof 2008/07/13 15:05
1249Alright Clouddark, because you are so dumb I am not even going to pay attention to you anymore. Whatever you say doesn't matter to me because I already know you are wrong. Ask anyone here except for Sand master and they will agree with me, and that is about 5,000 to 2. Good luck trying to make friends when you are such a whiny little baby
1250
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1252Torture King
1253#dxgcRe0n 2008/07/13 16:26
1254YOUR BOTH HIPPOCRITES! Moving on, I heard once that matter can be converted into energy. This does not makes sense to me because neither matter nor energy can be destroyed or created. But if you convert the matter, then you destroy the potential energy in its atoms. If you convert the energy, then you somehow have to make potential energy for the new matter. Logic proves I am right, but if matter and energy are interconvertable, Than what error did I make?
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1257cuuldude
1258#RuNN9Kly 2008/07/13 17:36
1259I got some more popcorn, this is interesting!
1260
1261
1262Sand master (LG)
1263#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/14 01:50
1264Well, matter and energy both lie on the same plane of existance, therefore they interact and change with each other. There are an infinite amount of planes of existance, and an infinite amount of...stuff...that goes in them.
1265
1266A plane of existance is a theory I made based on the fact that nobody can prove it wrong. A plane of existance could be above or below, and from side to side, and other planes based on the dimensions you are basing it off of. All planes on the same horizontal level are based off of a single plane above them, which is in itself one of an infinite amount of planes on it's own level. A plane is a descendant of the one above, and a high plane has complete control over a low plane. Planes may or may not be breached. I have doubts about it, because then an infinite amount of breaks in the plane will occure since 0 and until whenever.
1267
1268The question is, how are the planes controlled?
1269
1270VARIABLE 1 claims that a plain consiting of conscious life (which there should be an infinite amount of, since all planes are infinite) controls the lower plane because that life form creates a plane with each 1/INFINITY of a thought. If I think of a world made of cheese, a plane with this world and the conditions applying to it will be made below me.
1271
1272VARIABLE 2 claims that whenever a descision is made, an infinite amount of planes occur, each applying a different choice. If, for example, there is a true or false question, two planes occur, one where I say True, one where I say False. More planes occur, where I start dancing, or eat a banana instead. This concept was well known, but people claimed that it varied on the same level of universes, not above and below.
1273
1274This is a 3d variation. 4d and upwards are quite hard to comprehend, and I do not do well with such things. I do well with 0, INFINITY, and other such numbers.
1275
1276
1277Sand master (LG)
1278#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/14 03:24
1279I just finished recording the ENTIRE debate, from my original question to this.
1280
1281If you want it, filtered of all non-debate comments, email me at vinster60@gmail.com.
1282
1283
1284Afrew
1285#JnkRfHem 2008/07/14 05:01
1286First of all Torture King, don't say your logic makes you right if you are unsure. It makes you look like a know-it-all who actually doesn't know much. Also, you spelled hypocrites wrong which actually proves that I am right. You also actually contradicted yourself. You said since no one had directed anything towards you you had nothing left to add, yet you immediately told me I was a hypocrite. That makes me correct on both accounts.
1287
1288
1289Sand master (LG)
1290#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/14 05:43
1291Well, the thing is that no matter who is right, the other two are wrong. The rest just depends on your opinion of the subject. Even I am confused right now.
1292
1293Clouddark
1294#T1L6XVci 2008/07/14 06:49
1295I didn't feel like coming back here. But I did so...
1296@Sand Master
1297TL;DR
1298
1299@Torture King
1300Matter = Energy
1301Everything = Energy 
1302
1303@Afrew
1304Firefox spell check says 'hypocrites' is correct.
1305Firefox: 1
1306Afrew: 0
1307By the way, don't contradict yourself when your trying to contradict something.
1308
1309
1310Clouddark
1311#T1L6XVci 2008/07/14 06:52
1312In before Afrew: You're *
1313
1314See, I corrected myself.
1315
1316
1317Sand master (LG)
1318#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/14 07:35
1319BTW, I read back the whole thing, and figured something out.
1320
1321Afrew is an idiot.
1322
1323Your first few posts you claimed that you are a big-shot black hole expert, and yet you proved yourself wrong within...1 post, and flamed because I corrected you. Black holes are not infinite, because if they were, they would also be infinitely large, hot, dense, and we would be heading towards it at infinite speed regardless of the distance. Obviously, we're not dead, so Strike 1. Also, your teacher or whoever graded your Black Hole report definately didn't know much about them, and definately won't expect you to try going all SH on someone's a**, which you failed to do.
1324Then, you proved yourself wrong several times with Wikipedia, insanity, and stupidity itself. Strike 2.
1325Last, you never bothered asking whether you yourself are a hypocrite, which you are. Hell, I'M a hypocrite! Strike 3.
1326
1327What grade are you in? Failing any classes? Seriously.
1328
1329I must go with Torture King on this debate. Afrew is an idiot, and Clouddark is only acting like one.
1330
1331Last thing: Darkraine claimed you contradicted yourself, Clouddark. I just wanted to point that it was not a contradiction, nor hypocracy, but sheer irony.
1332
1333
1334Sand master (LG)
1335#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/14 13:27
1336What I mean by Clouddark's behavior is that it is becoming strangely similar to Afrew's, but he can still change it. I respect you, Clouddark, since you were in this debate longer than everyone else, except for me.
1337
1338
1339Torture King
1340#93udd4yf 2008/07/14 17:39
1341Is it not possible that the accounts: cloudark and afrew belong to the same person? afrew, i stepped in because i was getting annoyed, and knew that you 2 would continue with pointless arguements over a pointless subject for a long time to the point where my viking blood would cause me to explode at you. also, what exactly did you mean by "my logic"? i used the very simple universal logic that I'm pretty sure was not invented my me but by a philosopher. I was mearly asking if I aplied it correctly. Sand master, thank you for the explanation( i had to draw a diagram to fully comprehend its sinificance) but thanks all the same. also, the reason noone can prove it wrong is because most of the topics we were talking about are completly theoretical at the moment. 
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1343
1344
1345PowderGamer12
1346#6izUucAi 2008/07/14 20:30
1347Blackholes are infinite dense
1348
1349
1350Sand master (LG)
1351#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/15 00:39
1352No they aren't;. If they we're infinaitely dense, we would travel at infinite speeds towards an infinite amount of them, therefore killing us within an infinitesimal period of time.
1353
1354Aren you dead? No. You're just wrong.
1355
1356
1357PowderGamer12
1358#6izUucAi 2008/07/15 02:19
13591 - When people are referring to "super massive", they generally are referring to the black holes in centers of spiral or elliptical galaxies.
1360
1361These black holes come in million sun masses.
1362
1363petty ones such as the cygnus x-1 are a few solar masses in size.
1364
13652 - Also, the heavier the hole, the greater the radius of its event horizon. 
1366
13673 - Note that the event horizon is NOT the hole itself, which is a dimensionless point, but the event horizon is the holes "area of influence" or aura, sort of, inside of which, the escape velocity exceeds that of light.
1368
13694 - All holes are infinitely dense.
1370just as dividing 1 by zero, 2 by zero or a million by zero always yields the "same" thing, ie infinity, so do all black holes end up having infinite density! 
1371
1372But density is just a ratio! the space in which the hole lies embedded, retains the space time dimple (curvature) that indicates its mass. 
1373
1374space sort of "remembers" the starting mass of the hole.
1375things around it, continue to feel the "same" gravitational pull as an ordinary object of similar mass would have exerted on them! 
1376
1377Hence the invariable references to massive, super massive, monster etc when talking about them.
1378
1379for black holes, even though density is the great equaliser, Size does matter!
1380
1381
1382Afrew
1383#JnkRfHem 2008/07/15 05:54
1384Sand master you are the one who is wrong. Black holes are infinitely small yet have infinite mass. Also, it is not our PLANET that is moving towards them. Black holes are moving towards US. I know for a fact all of my research I did was correct because I asked multiple people about black holes, went to several different websites, and read books about them. And Torture King I am not yelling at you trust me, but black holes are not theory they are fact. There are pictures, videos, and telescope imagery confirming that black holes are real in everything that they do which I have described to all of you. Back to Sand master. Just because something is dense doesn't mean it is large. One pound of iron is smaller that 1 pound of gold because gold is denser, denser meaning that the atoms and molecules are tighter together which I think would allow more atoms to fit in one spot adding on more and more weight. Anyway Sand master, you are making rash decisions that aren't even true to make yourself sound smart. It is only unfortunate (wait, not really) that you are completely wrong in your ravings
1385
1386
1387Torture King
1388#93udd4yf 2008/07/15 10:19
1389infinite is not a word you throw around so easily. are black holes dense? yes are they infinitly dense? no. the big bang was the result of a blachole filling up with finite matter, it over-filled, which an infinite object cannot do, and exploded into the galaxys we know now. infinity means never-ending. blackholes over-fill. black holes are finite. what is infinite would perhaps be the number of dementions, or even more realistic the amount of numbers (perhaps it is not more realistic, equations rarly are able to be applyed to this demetion.
1390
1391
1392PowderGamer12
1393#6izUucAi 2008/07/15 10:30
1394In physics the density (ρ) of a body is the ratio of its mass (m) to its volume (V), a measure of how tightly the matter within it is packed together. Its SI units are kilograms per cubic metre (kg/m&sup3;). It is also sometimes given in the cgs units of grams per cubic centimetre (g/cm&sup3;).
1395
1396Density is defined by:
1397
1398
1399If the body is inhomogeneous, the density is a function of the coordinates , where dv is elementary volume with coordinates . The mass of the body then can be expressed as
1400
1401, 
1402where the integration is over the volume of the body V.
1403
1404
1405Clouddark
1406#T1L6XVci 2008/07/15 10:43
1407Testing.
1408
1409Hm, I wrote up a big article of somewhat and now it wont let me post it. I think the filter detects some curse word that I could not find. Such a shame.
1410
1411
1412maybe tomorrow
1413#FcvPB7OJ 2008/07/15 12:41
1414lol density is mass over volume. 6 words.(5 if lol doesn't count)
1415
1416
1417Sand master (LG)
1418#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/15 21:43
1419Afrew, you are wrong again. You claim that they are infiniately small, and therefore infiniately dense. If this is true, that means that the heat caused by the infinite pressure will cause it to expand to infinite size, therefore considered an explosion. A very large on. Ifinite, in fact. Therefore the concept of several objects moving at infinite speeds could cause a gravitational curve in space. Everything will start moving away from the blast at, you guessed it, infinite speeds.
1420
1421What I mean by a gravitatrional curve is this: According to Einstein, again, matter is converted into energy. As a plane flies, it gains a fraction of a gram due to speeds. If an object is moving at infinite speeds, it converts it's energy into mass, relative to the speeds, which is infinity. Therefore infinite masses moving at infinite speeds do two things. First, the thing stated above, and second, they, according to you, Afrew, become black holes themselves, and the same thing will happen over and over again.
1422
1423Alo, I would just like to add in response to Torture King, a black hole isn't really a hole. It can't 'fill up.' If more mass is placed in it, it will simply grow.
1424
1425
1426Sand master (LG)
1427#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/15 21:45
1428Sorry, i was talking to Powdergamer.
1429
1430
1431jalapeno
1432#rbR3rS0X 2008/07/16 00:15
1433would you fuc-kers just shut up! this aint the feudin board. its the comments thingy.
1434
1435
1436Afrew
1437#JnkRfHem 2008/07/16 00:45
1438No actually Sand master, you are still wrong. Technically a black hole isn't made of matter. It is just an odd gravity well in space. Since there is no matter involved nothing can expand. The only matter that could expand (the planets and debris flying into a black hole) will never have a chance to expand because the intense gravity will keep it less than micropscopic size for as long as it takes until the black hole dissapates. And black holes don't move at infinite speeds. Just because something has infinite mass, gravity, and miniature size does not mean it moves at infinite speeeds. Black holes are capable of moving at or over 300,000 kilometers per second. That is very fast but also very slow compared to speeds of other types of matter. If a black hole was on a direct collision towards Earth we would only have 100 years notice. Everything I have just described to you I have seen on NOVA. ALL of my information is correct, therefore I am correct. This case is closed. You can not deny any of my logic anymore
1439
1440
1441cuuldude
1442#RuNN9Kly 2008/07/16 03:05
1443Grr what is going on between Sand Master and Afrew, I mean it started as a little arguement, and now it has gotten way out of hand.
1444Just forget the arguement, and stop trying to prove each other wrong!
1445
1446Thanks :-)
1447
1448
1449Clouddark
1450#T1L6XVci 2008/07/16 05:04
1451Testing again.
1452
1453
1454Clouddark
1455#T1L6XVci 2008/07/16 05:05
1456@Afrew
1457A black hole is made of matter. The matter before the black hole cannot support it's own weight, and collapses on itself.
1458Black holes also do not have infinite mass, and gravity. It's weird to explain mass, but after the star collapses on itself, the mass that was the star is now the black hole. Black holes are just incredibly compact, but they do not have infinite mass. Nothing has infinite mass.
1459
1460If this posts, for some reason the rest I had planned couldn't be posted.
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1463Torture King
1464#93udd4yf 2008/07/16 06:06
1465well thats what was in my science book, and i used a little philosophy to alter the theory. thank you for correcting me. (other) "I have gained this by philosophy, That I do that without being told what others do only from fear from the Law." I fyou know who said that and actully care, please show the name.
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1468Afrew
1469#23O8tvlH 2008/07/16 10:45
1470Torture King who and or what are you talking about? I am not being mean I am just wondering. Clouddark, you are wrong. Sorry, but nothing you can say will make you right because I already know I am right. I practically memorized the episode of NOVA and every single thing I have said about black holes is correct. Pretty much, from this point on anything you say that is different from what I said is wrong if it is about black holes. I am not being a jerk I am just stating what is true
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1473Clouddark
1474#T1L6XVci 2008/07/16 11:08
1475@Afrew
1476I find you a stubborn, ignorant young child, I'm probably right.
1477
1478First off, nothing in our universe has infinite mass, not even the universe itself. Though you may be mistaking mass for something else.
1479Second, nothing has infinite gravity, or else it would pull all of the object towards it. Gravity isn't a mathematical variable, it's a very complicated thing to understand.
1480Third, everything in the universe is made of matter or energy. Nothing cant just be there.
1481For example: the space in between planets the isn't empty, it's filled with dark matter and energy. Dark energy/matter is a particle that we dont know about, it's relitivly new and some people dont even believe it exists.
1482Fourth, if you're not going to be ignorant and actually take a chance for knowledge:
1483http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
1484It's protected.
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1487Afrew
1488#23O8tvlH 2008/07/16 13:28
1489Oh yes. Give me a Wikipedia page. I think it's funny how you call ME an ignorant child when you are the only one who is being stubborn and ignorant and I am the one who is providing the true information. Now who am I going to believe in this argument: Some idiot kid and a moron who wrote a page on the internet, or actual scientists who actually have the brain power and money to make an actual show and it has been proven that they know what they are talking about. I think I am going to side with the actual scientists. Also, you are presenting me with information YOU aren't even sure is real. Honestly, everyone can see I am right, especially since you used a big run on sentence and false insults for your first sentence. I think it's funny how you are saying I am not taking a chance for knowledge when you are the one who has been rejecting MY CORRECT information I have been giving you the whole time. You are just a hypocrite Clouddark, and you contradict yourself every single time you post a comment
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1492Sand master (LG)
1493#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/16 14:07
1494Hahahaha! JALAPENO is telling us to calm down!
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1496Afrew, you actually kinda just proved yourself wrong AND that you never read the dabate thoroughly.
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1498And, quoting clouddark about the black hole page on wikipedia: "IT'S PROTECTED!"
1499
1500Ave you ever heard of the Antivandalbot? Well, this bot goes instantly anywere, and can look through the entire encyclopedia and delete the big vandals. The little things can easily be found and rewritten by users. And if black holes are made of non-matter, claimed previously to be a non-convertable form of material with a different set of physics and physical properties, how would the black hole get there in the first place? A star can't convert to something that was never in the star, and what happens to the matter taken in by the hole? Where do you think it goes?
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1502And don't tell me it's a mass of freaking gravitons, which I think are some of the stupidest things I ever heard, aside of those smaller-than-atome particles that make physics in genereal, whatever they named them.
1503
1504Clouddark, everyone is ignorant. Whether they are stubborn could change, but since we know a finite amount, and there is an infinite amount of things to know, we are very, very stupid.
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1507Torture King
1508#93udd4yf 2008/07/16 14:23
1509I would like to point out that noone can know for sure if there completly rite. 1000 years ago it was fact that the world was flat, 1000 years in the future we might map out the universe (by universe, i mean the thing that has no term at the moment, that has the galaxys in it.). to answer afrews question, i was shortly refering to my own theory of black holes, (which as i said before, is a textbook theory that i manipulated to fit my understanding) it goes as follows: every object has a membrane made of ethier magnetic feilds or energy of a sort. the larger the object the larger the membrane must be. the membrane is what holds the atoms together,since atoms move almost randomly density plays a huge role in stability. if an object is denser than its membrane will allow, it will have to grow, or fall apart. black holes are most likly small objects with a large tolorance for density, the density attracts objects due to the highly concentrated matter. when the "last" object gets absorbed, the black hole apparently cannot expand. so it falls apart, the explosion is because of the highly pressurized matterial suddenly having nothing holding it within. BOOM. the atoms graze and collide with one another, resulting in high amount of friction, enough heat to create light as well. it all happens in a spilt second. 
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1512Clouddark
1513#T1L6XVci 2008/07/16 14:29
1514Update, from a scientific friend of mine:
1515"Black holes are just negative energy that pull in positive energy."
1516-Thyme Cypher
1517
1518@Sand master
1519You're not. In fact, I applaud your intelligence.
1520As a society I find us stupid, but as a life form I say we are very smart. Our brain evolved to create sapience, out of the other millions upon millions of species out there; we did it. I find humans like the engineer rather than the scientist though, we always like to create.
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1522@Afrew
1523Black holes are singularities, you couldn't understand them if you spend your whole life trying to. Which is indefinite proof that you have no clue what your talking about. 
1524
1525And just encase you didn't catch the contradiction. We can't completely understand how black holes work, yet you seem to think you know everything about them. And before you go raving off that I don't know anything, we can speculate using common sense; you don't. You just seem to wrap up whatever theories you have and state that they are completely correct.
1526I see string theorizing in your future.
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1529Clouddark
1530#T1L6XVci 2008/07/16 14:30
1531Also.
1532@Torture king
1533What. That giant run-on paragraph makes no sense what-so-ever.
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1536Torture King
1537#93udd4yf 2008/07/16 14:59
1538again with the grammar... I DONT CARE AT ALLL ABOUT GRAMMAR!! ITS AS POINTLESS AS THE CURRUNCY SYSTEM! ( viking/celtic/germanic blood not me yelling)
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1541Sand master (LG)
1542#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/16 23:47
1543Cluddark, you understand that human's create so they can destroy. Why does the economy and other research projects occur during international conlicts? The nuclear bomb, the space race, gunpowder, even the reniaccanse, one of the most advancing times of human socety, was caused by the materials reaped from the benefits of the crusades, one of the worst series of wars in history. People invent to get the edge on people, and that is also why capitalism is so popular, why wouldn't a system based off of stepping on people do so well with a society that is based off of stepping on people? Makes sense when you think of it. We aren't engineers, or scientists, Clouddark. We're morons. A race of morons who can't tell they're trying to kill something when they actually are.
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1545Torture King, that is one of the most brilliant things I have heard on this debate since...uhh...Matter holding matter, would that not be the purpose of energy? To keep things from falling apart? Is that not why the energy is released when an object does so? Because it has no use.
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1547Afrew
1548#23O8tvlH 2008/07/17 01:50
1549Clouddark you seem pretty full of yourself, yet you don't even realize it. You think that by putting Torture King down and yelling at him about grammar that that makes you correct in what you are saying. The fact is you aren't. And I never said I knew everything about black holes. You are just cooking up lies to make ME look bad. I am just typing down everything I know is CORRECT about black holes. If you want to say I am wrong, well you just have a very deluded brain if you can not see the logic I am broadcasting. If you are going to be a little taint wipe about this, go be it in front of a scientist and see how long it takes for him or her to prove you wrong. And Sand master, I DON'T know everything there is about black holes. Like I said before I am just typing everything I know. I don't know how it turns into a hole in space which leads to nothing, but I know for a fact that it does. That is why they call it a black HOLE. I don't know how a star that implodes forms something that is real yet not real at the same time, but it is correct. I don't know how something can have infinite mass and gravity at the same time, but it does anyway. I am not saying I know how every single thing works. I am just saying what is correct about it. If you still think my logic is wrong, well, I feel sorry for your future because you will not accept any other information but your own. And don't give me any "YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WON'T ACCEPT INFORMATION AFREW. BLAH BLAH BLAH YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE" because that is simply not true. I see the errors of my ways all the time and I become a better person because of it. If you can't just accept someone elses information that is most likely or IS correct, than you are very closed-minded and will not make it very far in the world. I am NOT talking to any one person in particular, I am simply giving advice, and I hope everyone who reads this can accept that.
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1552Sand master (LG)
1553#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/17 03:50
1554Well, here is what you just said, in a nutshell. Black holes are holes, actual pits we just don't understand because we're thinking in 3 dimensions (a good idea if it actually could apply to 3rd and 4th dimensional physics). They don't exist, but they are real. Several decades of work are being denied. Hypocrisy doesn't affect you. You think you don't look like an idiot. You deny that you know what you think is right. You think scientists are wrong. You think Stephen Hawking is wrong. You think Clouddark is yelling. You think Clouddark is a hypocrite. You say black holes are infinitely small, but are tunnels that go on forever despite their size. You think we're asswipes. You think we'll fail at life for being stubborn. Irony? You claim you have gotten better, but you seem quite the same as you have been for the entire time you participated in the debate. And according to your metaphor, we're really good cooks.
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1556I would be less harsh, but I'm tired, ticked off, have a hell of a sunburn, and I'm seven hours ahead of whatever time it is at the East Coast. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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1559PowderGamer12
1560#6izUucAi 2008/07/17 03:52
1561Humans are not morons.
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1564Afrew
1565#23O8tvlH 2008/07/17 06:44
1566Oh boo hoo let me cry you a river Sand master for your EXCRUCIATINGLY bad sunburn you little baby. First off, I have COMPLIMENTED several decades of work with my knowledge of black holes. Hypocrisy DOES affect me because I just lost one of my friends because he was such a stupid hypocrite. I don't look like an idiot because I am NOT an idiot. I have actually proved scientists are RIGHT. Stephen Hawking was, will be, and is correct until he dies. I never said Clouddark was yelling. Do you know how to read? I said that HE was the one being a stubborn little ignorant child and not me. Clouddark IS a hypocrite. I don't think you are an asswipe. I KNOW you are an asswipe. You WILL fail at life if you are stubborn. If by some crazy chance you have a job and your boss tells you to do something and you don't do it, you will get fired. That is being stubborn. You failed that job. Now this is evidence you cannot read or at least cannot understand English very well because this is the quote on what I said about hypocrisy: "I see the errors of my ways all the time and I become a better person because of it." I NEVER said that I was going to change in this debate. I don't need to change because I am not the one doing anything wrong. Here is some more evidence: I have never in ANY of my comments said ANYTHING about cooking, even a metaphor. You and your little boyfriend Clouddark are the ones who are being mean and doing things wrong. I haven't done anything wrong in my comments. I only spoke the truth where others were wrong and Clouddark shot me down. Then you teamed up with Clouddark and tried to prove me wrong, but this whole time it was YOU two who were wrong.
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1569Torture King
1570#93udd4yf 2008/07/17 08:52
1571Are you saying that you have to have money to be smart? Because I'm a 15 year old who only even goes to this site because it amuses me, I may have the potential to get rich, but if what your last couple posts are your actual feelings on the matter, then I am apparently unable to imagine the concept of a black hole. Did I sum that up correctly afrew? (other) The quote was from Hippocrates. (new quote) "If you can arrive at certainty without error, and without doubt, It behooves us to base all knoledge in Mathamatics."
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1574Afrew
1575#23O8tvlH 2008/07/17 09:16
1576No I am not saying you HAVE to have money to be smart. I was just saying that I am going to trust the person who can actually spend money towards an actual show than the person who can only make a webpage on an already made website. If they made their OWN website I would believe them over the person who only has 1 PAGE on a bigger website. Will anyone actually read my typings for once? (I am not fuming at you Torture King, I am just saying in general)
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1579Sand master (LG)
1580#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/17 12:50
1581So in two large posts you contradict EVERYthing you say. And you call me an asswipe. So everything I expected you to say was said in that posts. Predictable. You'll be losing a lot more friends since everyone you seem to know you call a hypocrite.
1582
1583And you don't even read your own posts.
1584
1585Quote: "You are just cooking up lies to make ME look bad."
1586So either we're really good cooks, or you're just wrong again, because you're really staring to look foolish.
1587
1588Well, I guess this is it. I chose a side, after two months of relatively neutral debate. I guess Torture King is the only intelligent person here after all, since he probably knew any side you pick makes you an enemy of the entire other side. Sorry about that, Torture King.
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1590And you overestimate, underestimate, and exagerate almost everything everyone says to make it sound like an insult.
1591
1592Uhh...Torture King, you're not in high school yet, you claimed. How are you 15?
1593
1594Afrew, I did research as well, and quite similar things you did to research your little theory, so why is it that we're getting such different theories? Oh, wait...I'M the asswipe hypocrite moron who doesn't know anything and will die in an alley when I'm 40, according to your terms. Isn't that right? Seriously, where do you find the space to insult people on a previously neutral conversation!?
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1597Sand master (LG)
1598#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/17 13:45
1599Torture King, you simply come here for amusement? You didn't learn anything or something at all?
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1602Torture King
1603#93udd4yf 2008/07/17 16:06
16041) I chose to be held back a year.
16052) Who said I don't enjoy learning?
1606
1607Afrew and Clouddark, how hard is it to agree to disagree? Your "arguements" honostly dont make much sense, you 2 continue to repeat the same things, over and over regardless of wether or not it worked the first time.
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1609To anyone who cares: I maintain my relitive nuetrility, by playing Civilisation 4, its mostly diplomacy.
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1612cuuldude
1613#RuNN9Kly 2008/07/17 18:03
1614Everyone, I agree with Torture King, just agree to dis-agree.
1615This comment board was made so that people who enjoy Earth Editor, could discuss what they think of the game!
1616
1617Your arguement has taken up a couple of DAYS.
1618
1619Let it go.
1620
1621Thanks :-)
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1624Afrew
1625#23O8tvlH 2008/07/18 04:55
1626Sand master, you obviously have no clue on what many words of the English Language mean. I realize now I did say "cooking" but I did not mean the making food kind. I meant you are simply making things up. If you think by cooking I mean making food, you are the one who is a fool. Also, I think it's funny how you say I am the one who is starting to look like a fool when you are the who spelled starting wrong. I don't really care weather (or wheather. I can't remember) you think I am right or not, because I already know I am smarter than you. You remind me of a little loser named Brady Hagan. He constantly thinks he is right, and then even when someone proves him wrong he still thinks he is right. Just so you know, that is a major insult, but you still probably don't realize it so I am just wasting my breath. And you don't even know any of my friends. That is a pretty rash and stupid accusation to say that I am the one who is going to be losing a lot of friends when I called TWO people hypocrites. And another thing: You STILL can't read correctly. I never said anything about you dieing in the alley when you are 40. You look stupid when you make up fake sentences that no one even said. But like I said, it doesn't matter what I say because you are such a bone-headed closed-minded fool that my words aren't going to get through to you. You being an asswipe doesn't mean you are cool, it means more people are going to hate you. Go whine at someone on ebaumsworld.com or something. There are idiots galore there.
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1629stupid noobs
1630#b3RFubQm 2008/07/18 05:20
1631f off with ur black hole comments
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1634Roy.
1635#OVhoNRP5 2008/07/18 05:30
1636well you people sound like your having so much fun calling each other idiots and whining about your friends bieng stupid, So I think I'll just 
1637GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT EARTH EDITOR.
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1640Torture King
1641#93udd4yf 2008/07/18 06:27
1642So wait, you agree with me, even though you disagree with my oppinoin? Who even made-up the phrase? AND SINCE WHEN WAS ANYONE WHINING ABOUT STUPID PEOPLE? TE-NORSH-TE-SHLAD!!!!!!
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1645Afrew
1646#23O8tvlH 2008/07/18 07:06
1647Torture King, I didn't say anything to you in my last 2 comments or more. Why do you think I was directing anything towards you
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1649
1650Dragon Power
1651#iiSzYhu7 2008/07/18 07:20
1652I LOVE THE EARTH EDITOR COMMENTS! ITS JUST LIKE THOSE DRAMA SHOWS ON TV. =)
1653
1654*Grabs Popcorn*
1655*Grabs Soda*
1656*Grabs Couch...*
1657*Opens up Earth Editor Comments*
1658
1659No, but seriously... talk about the game. If you go to Powder Game Comments, its not a bunch of immature kids calling each other names.
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1662Torture King
1663#93udd4yf 2008/07/18 07:32
1664The game? Not much to talk about really, at least not without repeating someone else.
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1667Afrew
1668#23O8tvlH 2008/07/18 09:48
1669So does anyone know how to actually DO anything in this game? Since no one can upload I can't tell if anyone can actually make anything worthwhile with this game. I saw that someone made a really good Earth when this game was still just version 1.0, but I imagine it was very time consuming
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1672Torture King
1673#93udd4yf 2008/07/18 10:06
1674My point exactly
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1677Dragon Power
1678#iiSzYhu7 2008/07/18 11:29
1679I can talk about the game. What is the whole point of this game. Why don't you dicuss that while I go play POWDER GAME. -_-
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1682Clouddark
1683#T1L6XVci 2008/07/18 13:56
1684Sorry I didn't care enough to remember to come back.
1685Anybody want to fill me in whats happening?
1686I don't feel like reading 2-3 pages of bull from Afrew.
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1688
1689Clouddark
1690#T1L6XVci 2008/07/18 14:18
1691Also I was reading sand masters comments, because they're at least organized properly.
1692http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php
1693Enjoy.
1694
1695Also, first off: it's very hard to speculate our intelligence on the fact that there are no other sapient beings out there. 
1696Second off:
1697"We destroy to create. We don't build a house to destroy a forest, we destroy a forest to build a house. So people can have shelter."
1698-Pandar
1699
1700And you cant say what we created degrades our values as a race, it degrades our values as a society. Also considering everything you listed is just an offshoot of a technology we created for a better purpose, you can't really say any of those were bad. Nuclear bombs were made from nuclear technology which was to harnass energy from a large source. Gunpowder was used in diverse ways, such as fireworks. The space race was actually a very good thing, it was a way for the US and Russia to venture forth onto space and compete in a way that is not harmful to both countries. And the renisaunce was never brought forth by the crusaders. The crusaders were people trying to stop Saladin and spread christianity. Nothing more.
1701
1702We are a race of engineers because our rate of scientific discoverys is lower then our rate of inventing. And we do not invent to get ahead of other people, we invent to try to improve our way and standard of living. The same way we try do discover things through science.
1703
1704As for capitalism, you just said SOCIETY. Capitalism is a dynamic variable, if it didn't exist would we still be a race of engineers? Yes It would, not every race everywhere knows of capitalism.
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1706Also as for the filling me in, I meant Afrew; because he types in big run-on sentences.
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1709Sand Master (LG)
1710#aFhscAan 2008/07/18 20:33
1711Hahaha! Afrew said that he hates people who are wrong AND stubborn, who think they are right and think it gives them the right to insult people! The irony is so thick you'll need to use a freaking chainsaw!
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1714Afrew
1715#23O8tvlH 2008/07/19 02:13
1716Sand Master do you know how to let things go? Probably not. I never thought that I had the right to insult you. Secondly, that isn't even irony. You have INSURED you don't know anything about the English Language. And Clouddark, give me one of my comments where I put a run-on paragraph. I did not put any run-ons in any of my comments. If anything, you are the one who does it the most. You also prove you are very ignorant. You did not read all of the correct knowledge simply because you don't like me. Anyway back to the game, I think the ice should freeze water in this game like it does in Powder Game. I think it's a little boring how all you can do with the ice is turn it into water. And I don't know who said it before, but yeah salt should melt the ice
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1719Sand master
1720#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/19 03:12
1721You just proved my point. Irony is a kind of convenient contradiction, like being run over by an ambulance. By being stubborn and insulting, and claiming that you are the only person who isn't stubborn and insulting, you express irony.
1722
1723Dictionary definition: An objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc. 
1724
1725Exactly you.
1726
1727And I've read this entire debate since the firing question three or four times, and this section at least five. I'm sure I know what I'm talking about.
1728
1729And you're trying to leave the conversation so quickly! Rereading anything? Figuring out any small flaws?
1730
1731Seriously, I want to see you take all the information you have written, prove whatever you think is wrong wrong, and show it to me with an explanation how it applies to the laws of physics, mathematics, life, and even your and our behavior. Give us a nice outline of everything but the God discussion.
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1734Roy.
1735#OVhoNRP5 2008/07/19 03:27
1736well, I enjoyed that moment of peace -_____-
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1739Sand master
1740#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/19 03:39
1741If you want to talk about EE, be my guest, but we can debate here while you talk. If you don't like the debate, ignore it.
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1744Afrew
1745#cjBwVGwW 2008/07/19 07:23
1746No Sand Master, you are wrong. That would be hypocrisy not irony. You STILL prove you don't know the English Language. And so you know this IS the real Afrew. I am playing at my friend's house. Anyway I am trying to leave this debate for many reasons: 1) You are wrong and will always BE wrong 2) I can actually let something go, which I tried to do a few comments ago. Unfortunately it doesn't seem you have the human ability to do that 3) It is hard to win a fight when you are arguing with a bone-head who is ignorant and contradicts himself constantly 4) I want to talk about the game now, which is what this is for. Roy you have a very good point that the ice should freeze water, but like what someone ELSE said before, ice doesn't actually freeze water. I don't really understand why but I guess it doesn't
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1749Clouddark
1750#T1L6XVci 2008/07/19 07:53
1751@Afrew
1752You want an example of a giant run-on paragraph?
1753Look below. 
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1756Torture King
1757#93udd4yf 2008/07/19 09:19
1758I cant think of anything funnyer than irony ( a smile came to my face when i read the ambulance part) irony is a type of hippocrisy. Also, on that first quote, it was socrates, not hippocrates. i get them mixed up.
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1761Torture King
1762#93udd4yf 2008/07/19 09:22
1763Oh, and for the debate! clouddark, we may be inventors, but at least half of those inventions were war-machines. (bow, catapult, trebuche, cannon, rifle ect.)
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1766Sand master
1767#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/19 15:12
1768Gunpowder, nuclear weaponry, defense mechanisms, even the space race, being a good thing, caused the making of nuclear-armed sattelites. Television may have been the most successful invention not used for war since irrigation, but it was then molded for the use of propaganda distribution during the cold war, leaving the news system crippled and worthless.
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1770Afrew, first of all, you just proved that you didn't know what irony was, then you proved Clouddark right with a runon paragraph, then you accused me again for what I said, which turns out to be correct.
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1773Clouddark
1774#T1L6XVci 2008/07/19 16:59
1775So exploring our galaxy is a BAD thing? Finding out things about our local system would bring upon the destruction of all man kind?
1776Also considering there are no nuclear-armed satellites, the UN banned that an era ago.
1777And no, television is not the most successful invention since irrigation. The most successful invention since irrigation is the wheel, or fire. Irrigation has been around since the dawn of man. It's a very easy thing to accomplish.
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1780Torture King
1781#93udd4yf 2008/07/19 19:41
1782The UN may have banned nucear weaponary, but I know for a fact that theres ICBM silos under Kansas farmlands (former CIA relitive) , the UN never had any power, so you cant use it as proof.
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1785Sand master
1786#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/19 19:41
1787Irrigation was the CAUSE of the dawn of man. Without it, we would be starving tribes of morons with sticks. The wheel was never neccesary during the begining, just a convenient tool to carry more stuff, then becoming slightly more important. Irrigation was a snap, making survival much easier. If you didn't have a shirt in the middle of winter, you would freeze to death, so why not just make some kind of thing to put on your chest? That was how easy it was. All of the big things invented were simple and easy, making them a great help to everyone.
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1790Clouddark
1791#T1L6XVci 2008/07/19 21:07
1792@Torture King
1793The UN never banned nuclear weaponry. They banned it IN SPACE. Your point is invalid.
1794
1795@Sand master
1796Cattle. Also your argument just contradicted all of your other arguments.
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1799Afrew
1800#23O8tvlH 2008/07/20 00:11
1801Clouddark and Sand Master, you two obviously need glasses or something. The last comment I put was in no way a run-on sentence/paragraph. It had MANY periods, numbers, and commas seperating each of my points. You two just made yourself look stupid, but you don't even realize it. And Clouddark, you really need to learn how to read better. Roy and I already determined that ice doesn't freeze water. I already said it doesn't do that. You are just copying me and being a snot about it. You people think that by using words such as contradicted and run-on paragraph (technically 2 words) that you think you know how to use them. The fact is you don't. How do I know? I know because right now you people think that I am making a large run-on paragraph when the fact is I am not. Run-on paragraphs are when you make a paragraph yet there is either no or incorrect punctuation. Incorrect punctuation would most likely consist of either using mostly commas with little periods or using ONLY commas. In none of my comments have I EVER left a run-on paragraph because I actually know what one is and I actually know how to use punctuation. And another thing: There is a difference between large sentences and run-on paragraphs, although you probably don't even realize it...
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1805#T2V6AHIo 2008/07/20 05:51
1806You are just enhancing the irony of the situation.
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1808Well, I need to go with Torture King at this point. I am really starting to dislike people being so touchy about typos and grammar. If you can just go back to physics...
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1810Besides, you never fit the puzzle together like I asked you to.
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1813DarkRaine
1814#z7JjVfPt 2008/07/20 06:57
1815... umm... about the game... what this comment board is MEANT to be about... if you put a ring of wh's around the bh in the centre, then take either sand, seed, meteor, water, or salt, and draw circles around the centre, it looks awesome
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1819#z7JjVfPt 2008/07/20 07:03
18201 thing that really annoys me is that sandmaster, afrew, and clouddark are actually bothering to waste their time arguing here and they're not ever registered... wow... that sad...
1821to quote something i read a while ago, arguing on the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win, nobody cares...
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1824Torture King
1825#93udd4yf 2008/07/20 07:30
1826It WAS a debate, clouddark and afrew TUNRNED it into an arguement.
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1829Do you suppose there is an equation to find prime numbers?
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1832Afrew
1833#23O8tvlH 2008/07/20 08:09
1834I honestly did not mean to turn it into an argument. I swear I didn't mean to. I know that I did and I honestly do realize that I shouldn't have. I am not being a little idiot about it now. I really am trying to cut back on it and do it as little as possible
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1838#23O8tvlH 2008/07/20 08:23
1839I just think it is irritating sometimes that when, even though you are right, someone will disagree with you anyway. At first it starts out as a simple debate, then it turns into a squabble, and then it turns into a real argument. No one here can deny that they have done that before. I have done that too. Everyone here can and should agree that you dislike it when people deny your knowledge. I do. I don't mean to do it, it is really just who I am. Depending on how you are raised will determine on how you interact when someone disagrees with you, interrupts you, or thinks you are wrong. We are all guilty of it, because we are all only human. I can't deny it. You can't deny it. But that's ok because eventually we can even ourselves out because eventually we can learn to control ourselves and our several complex emotions. Like I said before, we are only human.
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1842Torture King
1843#93udd4yf 2008/07/20 09:21
1844You could try changing the subject when yur about to lose control. 
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1847DarkRaine
1848#z7JjVfPt 2008/07/20 10:21
1849YES!! I'VE DONE IT!! i've encouraged one person to say something, which encouraged another to say something, and thereby possible stopping the arguement, now some people might be able to talk about the game!!!
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1852Torture King
1853#93udd4yf 2008/07/20 10:43
1854YOU DID NOTHING!!!! YOU MEARLY TOOK CREDIT FOR IT!!!! PLUS I STILL WANT TO DEBATE!!!!
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1857Sand master
1858#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/20 15:51
1859No, it is going to remain an arguement until one of us cracks under the other's theory.
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1861And I am registered. I have uploaded, and I am also a moderator on http://danballforums.proboards59.com/index.cgi
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1863And I already stated that Afrew is changing the subject all the time to avoid being proved wrong again. He probably found out that there was a flaw in his statements.
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1865Please stop making us go off topic, people like DarkRaine, so we can finish the arguement and return to a debate on quantum physics and math theory. Seriosuly. We aren't stopping, so you should.
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1868BBQ LOLX PLOXXOR
1869#LJ4NlUqK 2008/07/20 18:17
1870SHUDDUP ALREADY
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1873Torture King
1874#93udd4yf 2008/07/20 19:36
1875NO SIR, YOU SHUT UP!!!! I HAVE SLOWLY BEEN POINTING OUT THAT I WAS GETTING ANNOYED!!! AND I HAVE BRENNUS/BOUDICA/RAGNAR LODBROK BLOOD IN ME!! RAGE RUNS IN MY FATHERS SIDE! And now I think thats all I needed ( aside from the ghost recon pwn-a-thon) to rid myself of these primitive feelings of killing my fellow man, without heed for that they may have familys. 
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1878Clouddark
1879#T1L6XVci 2008/07/20 20:00
1880Oops I missed another day, silly me.
1881I'm not going to read Afrews stuff, yet again.
1882But I will read all other comments.
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1884@Torture King
1885Chill pill, take it with a nice glass of calm down.
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1887@Sand Master
1888That forum is a crock of bull. It doesn't take two people to update a small Java game once a week.
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1890@Topic
1891What were we talking about again?
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1894Afrew
1895#23O8tvlH 2008/07/21 03:04
1896Clouddark, please. You know I am right and you just don't want to admit which further proves that you are very ignorant. Yet again I will say that you are not reading my comments because you are annoyed with me and that is very arrogent AND ignorant of you. And Sand master, I have already stated that you are wrong and I am right. I am changing the subject so the rest of the people on this game can be at peace at stop having to listen to us squabble. And no Sand master, you did NOT state that. You never said anything about me changing the subject. You are just saying that now to fool other people to think you actually said that. Since you (Clouddark and Sand master) STILL don't understand what I am saying, I will just repeat it again: I just think it is irritating sometimes that when, even though you are right, someone will disagree with you anyway. At first it starts out as a simple debate, then it turns into a squabble, and then it turns into a real argument. No one here can deny that they have done that before. I have done that too. Everyone here can and should agree that you dislike it when people deny your knowledge. I do. I don't mean to do it, it is really just who I am. Depending on how you are raised will determine on how you interact when someone disagrees with you, interrupts you, or thinks you are wrong. We are all guilty of it, because we are all only human. I can't deny it. You can't deny it. But that's ok because eventually we can even ourselves out because eventually we can learn to control ourselves and our several complex emotions. Like I said before, we are only human.
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1900#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/21 04:50
1901Jeez, am I the only one that is drowning in irony right now? Seriously. Look in a mirror, or at least read the debate, Afrew.
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1903And I quote myself: "And you're trying to leave the conversation so quickly! Rereading anything? Figuring out any small flaws?"
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1905I, right there, STATED that you are changing the subject, possbily from paranoia of being proved wrong, but since you're as stubborn as...well...I can't even think of something more stubborn than you, I'm obviously wrong, whether I am again or for the first time, you definately won't change your view, and I'm sure you just won't bother trying to find a flaw, like I did. Several tens of times.
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1907Ha! You think you and this species can control themselves? This race is pitiful! Every single one of us thinks we have broken off from the animal kingdom, creating civilization, but you're all wrong. Every single one of you are horribly, horribly wrong. We're never gonna control the inner workings of our small minds, and were not even close to trying. Complex emotions my ***. No complications, just chemicals. You think it's so easy to control!
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1911#93udd4yf 2008/07/21 09:01
1912FACT: You start to get a drink of water 5.98 milliseconds before you relise your thirsty. Study was done May 14th, 2007 Berlin Germany.
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1916#93udd4yf 2008/07/21 09:02
1917Whos REALLY in control? YOU or YOUR BRAIN?
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1920Afrew
1921#23O8tvlH 2008/07/21 10:29
1922Sand master, you never bettered yourself throughout this entire debate. You never said sorry. You never changed your tone. You never realized your mistakes. I did. I admitted that I overreacted and then explained why some people will do that. You simply tried to shoot me down yet AGAIN. Like I stated BEFORE I am changing the subject so everyone else here can stop having to listen to us fight and bicker and so I could put this behind us. You are the one who is stubborn. I was done with this over 4 comments ago, but you want to drag it on and on so you could TRY to be right but the fact is you are WRONG. You can deny it all you want but you are wrong. And to answer your question, you obviously are the only one swimming in irony right now. I CAN name someone more stubborn than me: You. Give me some evidence that you changed and recognized your flaws. Here is evidence that I did: "At first it starts out as a simple debate, then it turns into a squabble, and then it turns into a real argument. No one here can deny that they have done that before. I have done that too. Everyone here can and should agree that you dislike it when people deny your knowledge. I do. I don't mean to do it, it is really just who I am." Now where is your evidence that you have changed again? Finally, just because you can't control your own small feeble mind doesn't mean the ENTIRE human race can't. I am learning how to do it just fine on my own. I have met lots of OTHER people who can control themselves just fine. Just because you are a bad apple doesn't mean you have to spoil the rest of the barrel.
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1926#T1L6XVci 2008/07/21 12:14
1927@Torture King
1928You and your brain are the same entity.
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1930@Afrew
1931Format your paragraphs.
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1933@Sand master
1934You and your brain are the same entity.
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1938#23O8tvlH 2008/07/21 12:30
1939@Clouddark
1940This gets old and annoying
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1942@Clouddark
1943What are you talking about formatting. You don't make sense
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1945@Clouddark
1946You aren't even a part of this anymore. Be quiet please
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1949Sand master
1950#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/21 17:05
1951I did not change because I chose not to. If I actually thought you were right at any time, I would have changed much more. Yes. I am stubborn, but you are too, whether it is more, as much, or less. You think I'm bringing it back up because I am trying to keep proving you wrong, but I'm trying to get us back on debate, and it seems the only way to do that is to get you ALONE to stop arguing.
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1953The only reason I haven't changed is because I saw no reason, no system, no proof which you threw yourself and your theory onto. If you opened your mind a little more, you might be able to figure it out.
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1955So now you call me an apple to support your theory of....uh....well, that isn't a theory, it is ignorance in itself, the Source of it. You. Me. The human race. We are ignorant, and we are ignorance in itself, so stop living in either denial or, again, ignorance, and try to think about whether you can actually control yourself.
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1958Clouddark
1959#T1L6XVci 2008/07/21 20:23
1960@Sand master
1961I'm probably not supposed to understand what your talking about.
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1963@Afrew
1964OH GOD YOU ACTUALLY FORMATTED ONE OF YOUR POSTS, I CAN READ IT NOW.
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1966I don't care.
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1968Your an idiot.
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1970Get back in your corner, the adults are talking.
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1973Afrew
1974#23O8tvlH 2008/07/22 02:06
1975lol First of all Clouddark you haven't said one intelligent thing to further the debate for about 5 of your comments ago yet you think you are actually in the debate. Also, I asked you what you meant by formatting and you did not answer you just called me an idiot. If by formatting you mean doing that stupid thing YOU keep doing with your comments that is an incorrect form of typing. And Sand master, you are a very ignorant person. You said you chose NOT to change because you decided ON YOUR OWN that you did not need to. And I am stubborn, but not even close to an EIGHTH as stubborn as you are. I can change and let things go, which would mean I obviously CAN control myself. You on the other hand have not changed at ALL. The closed-minded fool who is you is repremanding ME to open my mind. And you obviously never heard of an "expression." Me saying you are bad apple was an expression. A metaphor if you will. Calling you an apple isn't a theory you dumass. That is just plain stupid of you to think of that. And yes, you ARE bringing up the debate again just for arguing's sake and so you can try to prove me wrong. The fact which you won't accept is you CAN'T prove me wrong. I actually had the proof to what I was saying, but you just babbled on telling me I was wrong over and over again so you could fool YOURSELF into thinking YOU were right. When something disagrees with the human brain the human brain will try to make that something as right as possible, even if it means fooling itself. Yet again, I DON'T understand how that works yet I know for a FACT it does that anyway. Now you are going to whine and complain at me telling me that was wrong and that you are right and that I am ignorant and that you don't feel the need to change because you don't think you need to. Whatever. You being ignorant isn't my problem.
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1979#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/22 07:05
1980So the question is, are you always changing the subject because you want to stop the debate, or because you are scared to be proved wrong?
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1982I have self control over my conciousness, all below that is completely instinctive for everyone. Once again, I claimed that I chose not to change because your theory was wrong in my eyes, and since it contradicted my entire belief, I have seen no purpose in changing my theory because it was not correct in my terms, whether it is right or wrong.
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1984And you all should really stop being so touchy about grammar. I don't care if any of you knew any language of any sort, and advise you not to care about it either.
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1987Torture King
1988#93udd4yf 2008/07/22 07:41
1989Debate? About what?
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1993#23O8tvlH 2008/07/22 09:56
1994I just answered your question. If you actually read and thought about my comments Sand master you could most likely infer on what I am changing the subject for. Obviously it is to stop the debate. Actually I already said that. Are you sure you can read? Because you aren't really showing that you know how.
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1998#N1nyF4rB 2008/07/22 10:33
1999Best argument ever.
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2001Very entertaining. I find it funny how Afrew says he can "change and let things go" but won't let this argument go! Ha! If he could "let this go" he wouldn't give you all a reason to argue back. He would just quit talking about it.
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2003Oh, and Afrew tried to change the subject during the first half of one of his posts but spent the second half arguing again.
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2005The best part about this argument is that it started over "black holes". Seriously people, everything we think we know about black holes is just theoretical. It's possible that all of you are wrong... Which would be HILARIOUS!
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2008Torture King
2009#93udd4yf 2008/07/22 11:17
2010I think it would be hillarious to get to heaven and see Zeus...
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2014#QwywYS99 2008/07/22 14:26
2015(mad mood) STOP ARGUEING!!!!!!!
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2018Torture King
2019#93udd4yf 2008/07/22 14:35
2020Wait, how can it be an arguement or a debate if theres apparently no topic?
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2023Iname as One
2024#N1nyF4rB 2008/07/22 14:58
20257joseph: They can't stop now! I'm just now joining this argument!
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2028Sand master
2029#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/22 18:24
2030Torture King is right. If Afrew keep calling us hipocritical morons and asswipes and telling us we can't read or we're gonna fail at life, we won't head anywhere.
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2032I really hate people who keep telling me time travel is possible. It is impossible, because there would be so many lops, holes, wrinkles, and bulges in the timeline that it would collapse completely, and there would be an infinite amount of people in one point in time, since time is infinite in itself. People have said that going faster than the speed of light would bring you backwards, they are wrong. 300,000Km/s is a finite distance, therefore it covers a finite amount of time relative to people going .01Km/s or something. This means going faster will make things seem slower relative to your distance, but nothing will ever stop. I hate that theory.
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2035Clouddark
2036#T1L6XVci 2008/07/22 18:53
2037Somebody read Afrews latest giant run-on paragraph. Then summarize it in like one sentence like it should have been to begin with.
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2040stupid noobs
2041#ij78RvLN 2008/07/23 00:25
2042too long comments head hurting dying dead
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2045DarkRaine
2046#z7JjVfPt 2008/07/23 00:45
2047move your argument to a different comment board, like the planet simulation comments
2048
2049you know what? why don't you spread your argument on to another website so the spam would be less concentrated
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2052Sand master
2053#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/23 01:55
2054DarkRaine, I told you and everyone else that they are free to speak of what they want to talk about here, but we will remain here and debate, argue and flame freely. Just talk about your games here, and ignore us.
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2057Afrew
2058#23O8tvlH 2008/07/23 02:44
2059It's only unfortunate that everyone here who thinks they are part of the argument is wrong. I was trying to change the subject in the SECOND part of one of my comments. Also, I almost ended the argument just now, but all of you other idiots had to butt in because you thought it was your business, which it ISN'T. And Sand master, this is apparantly going to really tick you off, but time travel CAN actually MAYBE be possible. If a black hole and a white hole combine it will create a wormhole which is really a portal to another place or even possibly time in the universe. The only problem with this is that the chances of a white hole and a black hole combining is about 1 billionth or 0.00000000000000000000000001 (I know that isn't the right amount of zeros, but you get my point). The "traveling faster than light thing will let you go back in time" isn't possible though. First of all, going forward at that speed doesn't make you go backwards. How would that make sense anyway? Second, nothing in the known UNIVERSE can go as fast as the speed of light or is even CLOSE to that. Everyone else here: BLACK HOLES ARE NOT THEORY. THEY ARE FACT. THEY HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO EXIST BY MULTIPLE SCIENTISTS. Finally Clouddark, I haven't posted ANY run-on paragraphs this entire argument, yet you seem to think I have. You obviously have no idea what a run-on paragraph is if you think ALL of my comments are running on. What grade are you in Clouddark? Third?
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2062Iname as One
2063#N1nyF4rB 2008/07/23 04:13
2064I didn't say black holes were theories. I said everything we think we know about them is currently a theory.
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2066And how would you know combining a black hole and white hole would do that Afrew? Have you seen it happen? Have scientists tested this in a lab? No. You only have a theory.
2067
2068Also, I don't believe time travel is possible (though I admit that I could be wrong).
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2070Afrew, you just don't want me to join the argument because I'm disagreeing with you and had valid points. If I had agreed with you, you would have probably welcomed my joining the argument. Also, I'm making this my business. If you wan't a private argument, then do it using emails or something. Not in here.
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2072Also, scientists have theorized that there are particles that ONLY travel faster then light. Ever heard of Tachyons?
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2075Roy.
2076#PJQ3dBoI 2008/07/23 04:16
2077Yeah... .Um....
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2080you lost me. o_o
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2083Iname as One
2084#N1nyF4rB 2008/07/23 04:25
2085My predictions for Afrews next post: "Everyone but me is dumb because is said so. Everything I know is right, even if it's common knownledge that black holes are still a huge mystery. Lets quit this argument. Wait, I think I should have the last word in first. You are all dumb. I apparantly don't have an enter button on my keyboard. You are all dumb. I am right. I am right. I have no proof but I am right. I can let this argument go, but first I'm going to argue for a few more days. I contradict myself alot. Blah blah blah. I keep saying the same old stuff. I claim I have proof but I really don't. BLah blah blah. You are all so dumb and obviously children, just based on the fact that you disagree with me over something theoretical. You guys have different views then me -that means you are stupid!!! Blah blah blah. You might as well ignore my messages because they all say the same exact same thing." -Afrew
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2088Sand master
2089#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/23 05:37
2090Afrew, for the second time in the debate:
2091You are an idiot.
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2093White holes do not even exist, and a black hole can't touch a white hole in your theory's terms, because a black hole has infinite gravity, therefore the nonexistant white hole will have infinite antigravity. Black holes do exist, but your theory being so wrong in the eyes of physics themselves, make it seem as if they don't!
2094
2095Quoting you: "nothing in the known UNIVERSE"
2096KNOWN universe. There IS something faster.
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2098This is a public arguement. Do not kick people out.
2099
2100Now, I don't care much for run-on paragraphs, but eve I couldn't help but realise that your last post, including a complaint about run-on paragraphs, was a run-on paragraph in itself. Just a bit more irony to add to the ocean of it we're in right now.
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2103Shinji
2104#4PrWhSFW 2008/07/23 07:03
2105Also, what the hell is a "White hole"?
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2107I've heard of a black hole, but, what the hell? 
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2110Iname as One
2111#N1nyF4rB 2008/07/23 07:39
2112I don't think Afrew knows what you guys mean by "run-on paragraph". He probably thinks you are talking about a "run-on sentence."
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2115Torture King
2116#93udd4yf 2008/07/23 08:28
2117scroll down threw the debate Shinji.
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2120Torture King
2121#93udd4yf 2008/07/23 11:52
2122I JUST DISCOVERED IMMORTALITY!!!!! I beleive that a ghost is formed when the body dies but the soul doesnt accept that it died. (this would explain why most of the ghosts were murdered, they didnt expect to die) Now that we have unearthed the science of genitics, we could clone a dead body and get a living copy. Previous attempts at human-cloning resulted in mindless bodys- vegetables. ghosts are said to have the ability to possess living bodys. If Im right, then the secret is to clone a body after they die, providing that the deceased is not ready to die in there mind. And allow the soul to possess the clone. Walla! Imortality!!! I dont know about you but with this in my mind when i die, i may just test the theory to try to become a ghost! wouldnt hurt rite?
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2125Soldier51K
2126#vyVIINvE 2008/07/23 13:06
2127okay see if anybody can answer this question. Which is more? 0, or 9? Think about it. It's a really hard question.
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2130Soldier51K
2131#vyVIINvE 2008/07/23 13:07
2132i mean (1), or 9
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2135Afrew
2136#23O8tvlH 2008/07/23 13:12
2137Torture King that is actually a pretty good theory. If you believe in something strong enough it can actually happen. Also Torture King, I have heard this myth that if you can stay awake for 6 days and 7 nights a Greek god will visit you can tell you the secret to eternal life. I tried to do it once and it was SO HARD. I would get as much sleep the night before and then try it if I were you.
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2140Torture King
2141#93udd4yf 2008/07/23 13:58
2142Actully you go temporaroly insane, i did a project on the subject.
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2145Sand master
2146#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/23 15:17
2147I think that is an interesting theory. Sice I believe in the plane theory, if you die, you go to a higher plane, where your sould is a upper dimensional being which is put in it's place. If the soul is somehow entangled in it's vessel during the expiration, it and the body will pull each other to one dimension or another, eventually placing them at a halfway point. The soul goes unnoticed on the original plane, and cantravel and seen both planes, but cannot completely go there.
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2150Torture King
2151#93udd4yf 2008/07/23 20:31
2152also ( kind of other) why greek? why not egyptian, norse or or persian? and how would you understand them? i dont know about you, but i dont speak greek.
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2155Roy.
2156#cgmVmuZv 2008/07/23 23:36
2157So now we're talking about Greek Gods? 0_o
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2159>>still lost<<
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2163#cgmVmuZv 2008/07/23 23:38
2164I never picked you people out for the superstitious type, you seemed to have done your research and I thought I remembered someone talking about aethiesm not too long ago in the forums, 
2165so suddenly you believe that if you stay awake for six days and seven nights some greek God will tell you the meaning of life? ;_;
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2168Afrew
2169#23O8tvlH 2008/07/24 01:07
2170Yeah actually I am the athiest. I DID say it was just a myth though. I don't know if it is real or not. And I am not sure about the Greek god thing either. My friend told me about it so I am not really sure what to think about it. It's DEFINATELY worth a try though
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2173Sand master
2174#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/24 02:51
2175I persoanlly think that it would be a waste of coffee or coke or some caffinated drink.
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2178Lord khriid
2179#CGE8jkoW 2008/07/24 04:43
2180oh and a white hole is a theory, developed on the idea of opposits such as if there is a push there is a pull, if you pee on someone, they might do it back, that kind of thing, so if there is something that destroys or compacts matter, then there must be one that creates and dispells it, this would be much harder to find and proove unless we actualy go near one due to no residue, with a black hole you can still see the matter entering, there would be no radiation with a white hole.
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2182sorry for ramble and double post
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2185alexxerth
2186#qSkx7fSi 2008/07/24 05:27
2187i know the meaning of life and its not as good as youd expect.
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2189life has no meaning unless yyou give it one. if you dont do anything with your life you would have a meaningless life but using that i made my own theory... the meaning of life is to live your life.
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2192alexxerth
2193#qSkx7fSi 2008/07/24 05:30
2194oh and i know a lot about space trust me and a white hole could be detected like this see a black hole you can see because it bends light toward it so you can see it so a white hole would ben star light from it making almost a ring around it when it passes in between us and a star. and also what really happens when two black holes of equal power hit eachother?
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2197Sand master
2198#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/24 06:09
2199They just make a larger black hole, or they collapse.
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2201White holes cannot exist, because if the matter inside it is pushed away, it would explode and would never have existed in the first place.
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2203You think you can make a meaning to your life? You can't. You're insignificant. Think your meaning is to help people? Why They're gonna die just as well. Think it's for perserving the planet? It's all gonna go up in fplames over time. Things fall apart. If you see the universe the way I do you would think a lot differently of how you're gonna live your life.
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2205And how could something nonexistant be detected?
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2207Give me a reason for life that doesn't become meaningless over time. I found one, but it still makes you insignificant.
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2209My opinion of life is an evolutioonary tactic. Survival of the fittest. You find someone you find fit, and you have children. These children are fit because you found someone adequate. These children do the same. According to evolution, the species becomes more advanced due to the offspring brought up by fit poeple finding other people who are adequate, and thus the system repeats. This only means that you serve a meaningless and short period of time slaving to be fit to support your species. That is all. Everything else is either a chemical or and illusion.
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2213#cgmVmuZv 2008/07/24 06:39
2214you just smashed a lot of little kids dreams with the whole 'everbody's going to die' thing, sand master.
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2216XD
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2219Unknown Entity
2220#LVqxfODJ 2008/07/24 08:02
2221Since when did this post become a discussion on the theory of life?
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2224alexxerth
2225#qSkx7fSi 2008/07/24 09:55
2226go life!!
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2229Afrew
2230#23O8tvlH 2008/07/24 11:09
2231Sand master you really need to cool off right now. He can have whatever point he wants to his life. No ones life is meaningless BECAUSE they can have whatever life they want. The man who invented the first artificial heart made at LEAST 2 billion lives better with his technology. His meaning in life was to make people better. The meaning of a scientists life is to try to help better the world through his or her research. Hopefully with that research the world can be made easier or world troubles can be erased. I am not talking about a job. They make it their LIFE to better the human race and everything that surrounds it. You can NEVER tell someone that they have no meaning in life. The REAL meaning of life is whatever YOU make it out to be. Also, just because something explodes doesn't mean it doesn't exist anymore. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Matter can only change from one form to another.
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2235#93udd4yf 2008/07/24 11:18
2236Roy? How many people do you actually think dont beleive in death?!? It happens every fricken day!! all things die, and looking the other way cant change that. whether or not your reborn however, might be up to you.
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2240#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/24 12:41
2241Well, what do you think those 2 billion people are going to do when they reach the end of their lifespan?
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2243I have to agree with you for once. Scientists, mathmaticians, people who discover things in general have the greatest impact on life, because their invention is meant to benefit the entire species, but in the future, either the discovery will be forgotten, the discoverer will be, or it will be smothered with other new findings that it becomes insinificant.
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2245I never said matter dissapears when it explodes, but there won't be a white hole after that.
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2249#23O8tvlH 2008/07/24 13:08
2250Well where do you get off telling other peopl what to believe in. Who do you think you are telling people that there is no meaning in life. Also, nothing in history has ever become insignificant because that one finding was needed to improve it or make greater discoveries. Without that FIRST discovery there would be no other discovery or improvement based off of that. And yes, you did say matter dissapears. This is what you said and I quote: "White holes cannot exist, because if the matter inside it is pushed away, it would explode and would never have existed in the first place." You are implying that white holes would have never existed even if they were there. That doesn't make sense at all.
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2254#N1nyF4rB 2008/07/24 13:12
2255Whether a white hole exists or not depends on what exactly happens in a black hole. If the matter is just compacted down then there are no white holes. If the matter is pulled through a wormhole like thing then the exit is a white hole.
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2258As for the meaning of life: I think there is likely some sort of afterlife, whether it is what people think of as "heaven" or maybe some state of consciousness on another plane of existance. Either way, when you die your body is gone. All you really have left of your past self is your memories. That's why I think the meaning of life is to make memories, whether they are good or bad.
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2262#93udd4yf 2008/07/24 18:17
2263"Also, nothing in history has ever become insignificant" I disagree with you afrew, the Longbow became highly insinificant after the Hand-cannon was developed by the Turks, And that was insinificant when the musket was invented by the French, Which was further rendereduseless by the Rifle that the US made, which was followedby the Automatic Machinegun, then the Tactical Nuke, then the InterContinetal Ballistic Missile. And the ICBM WILL be followed by somthing better, thats progress. Something must be forgotten in order for something better to be learned.
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2266cuuldude
2267#RuNN9Kly 2008/07/24 18:51
2268Right, anyone want to ignore these posts about black holes and stuff and talk about the Earth Editor?
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2271alexxerth
2272#qSkx7fSi 2008/07/24 22:23
2273this is to everyone 
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2275you choose your own meaning of life if you fail to relize that then you truly have no meaning in life. i am not religious so this is not from any religious group it is my own theory.
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2278Afrew
2279#23O8tvlH 2008/07/25 01:50
2280No Torture King you don't know what I am saying. I am saying if we DID NOT have those first inventions (i.e. Longbow, musket, etc.) there would be no UPGRADES. If no one invented the Longbow, there would be no musket. And also Iname as One, white holes are not created inside black holes and there are not just automatically wormholes in the universe. I said before that wormholes are ALMOST impossible to create because a wormhole is when a black hole and a white hole combine. This is virtually impossible because a white hole's gravity goes out while a black hole's gravity goes in. I don't fully understand white holes but I think they are created in just the opposite process of a black hole.
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2283alexxerth
2284#qSkx7fSi 2008/07/25 08:45
2285ok each reply is like 3 hours away from the other one
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2288Torture King
2289#93udd4yf 2008/07/25 11:22
2290You were saying earler that white holes dont exist
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2293Afrew
2294#23O8tvlH 2008/07/25 12:59
2295Me? No I didn't. I said they were a theory
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2299#2ljKWq54 2008/07/25 14:32
2300White holes don't truly exist.
2301Worm holes are some sort of lapse. Almost 4- dimensional.
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2304RiftRipper
2305#PMvLqCiS 2008/07/25 15:32
2306Can you prove anything doesn't exist? Can you prove anything exists? You must be careful about your statements, sometimes....
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2310#93udd4yf 2008/07/25 16:21
2311wormholes dont seem to be posible without the "universe" forming a hollow sphere. then a line would be able to go from one side of the sphere through the middle and to another.
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2314Clouddark
2315#T1L6XVci 2008/07/26 03:58
2316@Myself
2317I've stopped caring enough to try to respond to anybody.
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2320Sand Master (LG)
2321#dU3Oe8J0 2008/07/26 04:16
2322Well, Afrew, you prove my point. The only lasting purpose for life is an evolutionary tactic used to improve, to UPGRADE the life form. When we become better humans, the older versions die out quickly and the system continues. This still means we will die out ourselves and become infignificant, but the only difference is that we paved the way for some new moron of a species to evolve.
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2324I didn't say the white hole would vanish. I said it wouldn't have existed in the FIRST place, therefore the matter was never there, or at least somewhere else. A wormhole can only occur in a 2d enviornment when a 3d creature interacts with it. Bending a piece of paper and connecting the edges would be a wormhole, but we don't live in a 2d enviornment. My theory is that if you live in a dimension above us, you will see us as 2d and yourself in 3d. This means that the only way to make a wormhole is to have an upper plane collide with us, which is impossible.
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2327DarkRaine
2328#z7JjVfPt 2008/07/26 05:30
2329Ok this is kinda sad, your stupid argument changed the google ads into random websites that question and support god and chirstianity... i know you're not arguing about it now, but still... wow... thats said
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2334Afrew
2335#Ku0fDXSJ 2008/07/26 07:30
2336Sand master, you still obviously don't understand what I am saying. Without that first "insignificant" form, there would not be any upgraded form in the future. Without the first spear made of just a piece of flint and a stick made by early man, there would be no spear made from metal in the Roman times. There would be no metal spear because we would not know how to make even the STONE spear. I am not proving your point at all. I am proving my own point. And your view on evolution is very deluded. You are talking as if evolution happens over night when in fact ONE adaptation can take generations to develop. And it isn't as if the simpler form will die immediately or even very quickly. The simpler form is just at a disadvantage when it comes to predator-prey relationships. Also, you DID say the white hole would vanish. In my opinion the Second Dimension isn't even real. The second-dimension is really just what we say to try to put something in perspective or make something simpler. Finally, that is a pretty rash and ignorant crackpot decision of you Sand master to say that humans are morons WHICH YOU DID SAY. You are calling Steven Hawking, Albert Einstein, and other great minds such as those morons. You can't deny you said that because that is the jist of what you said. "Some new moron of a species to evolve." You are implying that this current species is a bunch of morons where are only meaning in life is to help out a NEW generation of morons. You don't get to make that decision just because you are closed-minded and bitter. This species has never been a group of morons in the past. Just because there have been some screwups and bad decisions in the past does not make this species a moronic one. This is just like the stereotype that all Germans are Nazis. Just because some Germans lost their minds 50 or more years ago does not mean that ALL Germans have. Whoever says this or any other generalization like that (such as saying humans are morons) makes you an idiot.
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2339Torture King
2340#93udd4yf 2008/07/26 08:19
23411. All of the resources for making a revolver were present in classical times, its just that none thought about making one. upgrading is NOT the only way to advance anything, its just the simpler version.
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23432. Darkraine, what exactly are you talking about? CircuitCity does not question any religion(except for maybe Taoism.)
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2346Iname as One
2347#PIDuyN7g 2008/07/26 14:17
2348I didn't say white holes are created inside black holes. I do admit I should have explained better though.
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2350I'm just saying that the only reason for a white hole to exist would be if a black hole was an actually "hole" (not like a normal hole but like a wormhole type thing to another point in space or dimension). A white hole would be the exit.
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2352If a black hole is just super compacted stuff and not a "hole" then there probably isn't white holes.
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2355I agree with Afrew about past forms of things. No past form of anything was useless. If humanity had never made simple tools we wouldn't have the same advance technology of today. Every little thing is important in its own little way.
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2357And I think humanity is pretty smart. We are the only species on earth capable of building machines. Maybe even the only life form in the entire galaxy that can do that. For all we know, we could be the most intelligent organisms in the universe.
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2360Sand Master (LG)
2361#dU3Oe8J0 2008/07/26 15:28
2362Well, we know a limited amount of things, and there are infnite other things to know. For every one thing we know, there are uncmprehendable amounts of things we don't know. That makes us, and all other things, morons.
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2364I did not say anything about white holes making matter dissapear. White holes don't exst. Matter did not dissapear. You must have misread the comment.
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2366I believe all humans are morons, but I don't believe all Germans are Nazis, so your stereotype doesn't work.
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2368Yes. I am an idiot, but so are you, so is Torture King, so is Clouddark, so is Einstein, so is Hawking, so is everyone, when you look at the things you DON'T know. We're all idiots, Afrew. You just take offense to this idea because you deny that humanity is insignificant. People are designed to deny it.
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2370Iname as One, if the universe is infinite, there are an infinite amounts of things smarter than us, and the same amount far less so.
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2373Torture King
2374#93udd4yf 2008/07/26 20:29
2375(comprimise) We're stupid compared to all possible information, yet intelligent compared to other known life-forms. Does that work?
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2378Sand Master (LG)
2379#dU3Oe8J0 2008/07/26 22:12
2380My point this entire time. Thanks, Torture King.
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2383Afrew
2384#Ku0fDXSJ 2008/07/27 03:54
2385That is also a very stupid decision to say we are stupid because we DON'T know something. Just because we don't know how to solve the problem of cold fusion doesn't mean we are stupid. Torture King is right. We're stupid compared to how much we don't know, but the smartest compared to other life-forms.
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2388killer118118
2389#NA2RSoDv 2008/07/27 04:01
2390i have a therory, i think here are 2 diferent types of galaxy, 1s with a white holes it the middle and 1s with super massive black holes (stupid name that i didnt make up) i think stuff gets pulled in through black holes and in a diferent universe that stuff comes out via a white hole
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2394#Ku0fDXSJ 2008/07/27 06:28
2395killer118118 there are 3 different types of black holes. Miniature, um the medium kind (I forgot the name), and supermassive. Just so you know. Your theory actually makes sense though. Some scientists have this theory that if you try to exit one galaxy out of one side you will end up at the opposite side of the galaxy. Just wondering, but do you actually mean universe? I was wondering because there are galaxies besides ours that are just OUTSIDE our galaxy. 
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2398DarkRaine
2399#z7JjVfPt 2008/07/27 07:56
2400tortureking, i meant all the ads at the side that say "is god real?" and "God Loves You" and also the one that says "Is There God" maybe they aren't there on your computor, but whenever i visit this comment board, its always these ads over and over again, before they were stuff like roblox adds... 
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2403Iname as One
2404#y9Krhiks 2008/07/27 10:45
2405Sand Master, the universe is infite but the amount of energy/matter in the universe is limited. There couldn't be an infinite amount of more intelligent life in the universe because there isn't enough matter to make an infinite amount.
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2407If there are an infinite number of universes, then there likely would be an infinite amount of intelligent life smarter then us (though it is possible each other universe has no intelligent life yet, or may not be able to contain intelligent life because of a different set of physics).
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2409Either way, if there is an infinite amount of life something has to be the smartest (or a number of things even). For all we know humans could have been the first thing in all universes to reach this level of intelligence. There isn't any way for us to figure this out right now. (Though there almost certainly is something smarter).
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2412Sand Master (LG)
2413#dU3Oe8J0 2008/07/27 13:16
2414Afrew, I agreed with Torture king in the post right below you.
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2416killer118118, I will have to disagree with your theory because you seem to have forgotten to apply physics.
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2418Iname as One, I think that your idea cannot apply to phyics, mathematics, science, and nature. What evidence do you have to point out that there are boundaries in an infinite universe? If there is an ifninite amount of life, there are an infinite things smarter and vice versa, so, technically, all species are of neutral intelligence. It really just makes it a pessimistic/optimistic debate. We're all right, but we still disagree with the opinions.
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2421POWDERMASTER123
2422#5SuOezFB 2008/07/27 19:00
2423Sand Master (LG):
2424White holes do exist but for some reason they change to black holes straight away so even though it is physicaly impossible to see a white hole through a telescope they do exist
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2427Sand master
2428#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/27 21:46
2429Umm...so if they exist for an infinitesimal amount of time, then it automatically dubs them as null and nonexistant.
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2431Besides, when has a scientist ever seen something for an infinitesimal fraction of a second?
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2434nathandudeguy
2435#2s2BrEnE 2008/07/27 21:54
2436u guys are so dam inteligent
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2439nathandudeguy
2440#2s2BrEnE 2008/07/27 21:58
2441if mater comes in through black holes and comes out white holes i guese thats why black holes only last a certain amount of time.
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2444Sand master
2445#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/28 01:12
2446Umm...no. Everything has an expiration date. Black holes and white holes cannot interatct, especially since white holes don't exist.
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2449lizard(elifint)
2450#EIgucD5L 2008/07/28 01:47
2451Its worm not white
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2454nathandudeguy
2455#2s2BrEnE 2008/07/28 01:47
2456i thought you said everything lasts an infinitesamal amount of time ha
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2459nathandudeguy
2460#2s2BrEnE 2008/07/28 01:48
2461oh no
2462sorry
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2465Afrew
2466#Ku0fDXSJ 2008/07/28 05:32
2467Sand master you don't know that white holes don't exist. Did you hear me say they were a theory? They are just a theory right now because no one has evidence that they exist. Just because there is no evidence does not mean it doesn't exist however. You can't just say that something doesn't exist just because there is no evidence or proof at the moment.
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2470killer118118
2471#NA2RSoDv 2008/07/28 06:43
2472afrew, i did meen universes, i guess u could of universes as sheets of paper and a black hole is a rip it he paperand stuff falls out through the hole and lands on the next universe, of corse there is no evidence of more universes than 1... so its just a random theory
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2475Torture King
2476#93udd4yf 2008/07/28 13:30
2477BLACK HOLES ARE NOT HOLES!!! THERE IMPLODED STARS!!
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2480Iname as One
2481#MsFpjP0R 2008/07/28 15:37
2482Sand Master, there is not an infinite amount of life in the universe. The blackness of space may go on infinitely but the big bang did NOT create an infinite amount of energy. Therefore, our universe can not have an infinite amount of anything.
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2484If there are other universes then you are right. I was just saying all of that hypothetically anyways.
2485
2486Some scientists think that White holes can exist. They might. Maybe a "big bang" is created when a white hole opens up into a universe? There's no telling.
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2489NEW TOPIC: How do you think the big bang was made? I'm interested in all of your views on this.
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2492Sand master
2493#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/28 16:37
2494WE WENT THROUGH THIS AND CAUSED A MASSIVE FLAME WAR! READ THE DEBATE BEFORE YOU THINK WE MISSED SOMETHING!
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2496Torture King, you seemed to have changed your mind about black holes, which is perfectly fine, and your 'energy membrane' thing seems to work well with it.
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2498Iname as One...
2499...Just read the debate. Or I could email it to you (Need to update it!). Just send an email to vinster60@gmail.com and I will send you an attachment.
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2502Torture King
2503#93udd4yf 2008/07/28 19:18
2504I changed my theory? I thought that a suns surface suddenly being on the inside, would cause a chemical reaction due to the typical make-up of a star, with the heavyest gasses in the center. a chemical reaction would explain why it becomes somthing that is entirely diffrent from a sun. (perhaps its a cycle: nebula forms a star, star burns to a certain degree, star loses co-hesion, and etheir explodes into other smaller stars, or implodes to a black hole, which then prosedes to absorb everything within its gravitational radius, in order to absorb more than its capable, and release matter which if it s a solid becomes planets, astiods etc., and if its a gas another nebula) as always correct me if ive made an error in my perception.
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2507Roy.
2508#cgmVmuZv 2008/07/29 03:56
2509I has idea (>0.0)>
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2511Black hole exist.
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2513White hole exist.
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2516The big bang existed
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2519God is real.
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2522everybody happy?
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2525Afrew
2526#Ku0fDXSJ 2008/07/29 04:33
2527INAME AS ONE THANK YOU. I have been thinking that for the longest time but you put it in the terms I needed. And Torture King black holes are the RESULT of stars imploding. Also Iname as One, the big bang was the result of one single atom exploding, releasing MASSIVE amounts of strong magnetic waves, weak magnetic waves, radioactive waves, and the simplest elements and gasses possible were formed. These elements and gasses went through multiple chemical reactions which would in turn create MORE elements and gasses, which would IN TURN react with each other to make the elements and gasses we have today.
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2530Afrew
2531#Ku0fDXSJ 2008/07/29 04:34
2532And Roy, god doesn't exist. In all of science the bible and religion can not be real.
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2535mcfly
2536#Ts5CEzJt 2008/07/29 04:49
2537*hand Af rew an anti-flame sheild*
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2540mcfly
2541#Ts5CEzJt 2008/07/29 05:07
2542Probably could have used that like 30 or so posts ago.
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2544anywho thisis terribly interesting to wacth so i'd just jump right in and point out that the term white hole was atually spun off of a Quasar or one of the brightest objects in the universe hence "white".
2545It is THEROISED that they are the result of interstellar collisions between black holes which somehow expands releaseing the matter traped. No worm holes, no magic. Though this will do nothing to clear up the debate I thought I should point it out
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2548Iname as One
2549#MsFpjP0R 2008/07/29 05:50
2550Sand Master...
2551I have read the debate. No thank you.
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2554Afrew, I know what the Big Bang is but what I was wondering is how do you all think it occured? Let me explain it better: How do you all think the stuff required for the big bang got there in the first place? Something had to happen before the big bang.
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2556Also, I think god and the big bang can both exist. I just don't think of god the same way most people do. God is probably something currently FAR beyond our understanding. Maybe there is even a scientific explaination for god?
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2558I never listen to the bible in a literal way. The Bible was writen long ago by people who don't have our current understanding of the universe. It is seriously flawed. What you should listen to in the bible is the meanings behind the stories. Be a good neighbor and stuff like that.
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2561Roy.
2562#cgmVmuZv 2008/07/29 06:02
2563let me rephrase some of the stuff I said.
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2565You believe in what you want, 
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2567and I believe in what I want.
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2570we can disagree, but that won't matter because we have a habit that what we believe is usually correct.
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2572So can't we all just get along?
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2574o_o
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2577Iname as One
2578#MsFpjP0R 2008/07/29 06:12
2579We are all getting along Roy.
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2581Everyone quit arguing a while back. We're all just having a pleasant little debate about the universe.
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2584Torture King
2585#93udd4yf 2008/07/29 09:20
2586WHEN DID I SAY IT WASNT THE RESULT!?!
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2589Torture King
2590#93udd4yf 2008/07/29 19:07
2591you know wat? im gonna drop this now, before it gets out of hand
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25943DLegend
2595#KxqsqGUm 2008/07/29 20:58
2596i think the big bang was made when a previous universe stopped expanding and the matter overcame the outward energy of the bang and gravity itself pulled matter towards eachother and compressed it into a very small singularity. this was probably where the energy came from to start the big bang. pretty soon im sure this will happen to out universe, it will stop expanding and collapse and trigger a new big bang. Like a continuous cycle
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2599Iname as One
2600#MsFpjP0R 2008/07/30 10:21
2601Actually 3DLegend, many scientists now say the universe is spreading faster and faster instead of slowing down. That's why many people think the universe may end in the "Big Rip". I don't feel like explaining it so just look it up.
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2603You didn't awnser my question though. Where did the energy for the big bang come from? If you believe it came from a previous universe then where did the energy that started this cycle come from?
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2606Dragoon Slayer
2607#ZNcXeY6J 2008/07/30 10:25
2608Some Sientist beleive that another universe bumped into ours
2609its hard to explain but i think it would make no sence for it to end because that makes no sence ???
2610im 11 so im young but i can tell you now thats also what i think
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2613Torture King
2614#93udd4yf 2008/07/30 15:39
2615depends on your useage of the word universe actually
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2617we've been over this, and there are only 4 theorys that are agreed with world-wide SCROLL DOWN PEOPLE!
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2620Torture King
2621#93udd4yf 2008/07/30 15:40
2622And to answer the ORIGINAL question, it would seem inifinately small
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2625Sand master
2626#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/30 22:30
2627No it won't Torture King. It's a paradox, and cannot be solved.
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2631#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/30 22:31
2632I'm updating the document. If you want the entire debate, filtered of all non-debate content and other spam, from the beggining to now, e-mail me at vinster60@gmail.com and I will attach the document to you.
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2636#KxqsqGUm 2008/07/31 02:33
2637iname as one, Maby there is no real origin of all this energy and maby there could be no real start to the universe. Who knows? Maby God is the origin who has infinite energy and wears trainers
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2639
26403DLegend
2641#KxqsqGUm 2008/07/31 02:34
2642But anyway i must sound dumb because im just guessing
2643
2644
2645Iname as One
2646#UtrpeV2H 2008/07/31 04:02
26473DLegend, that was a good awnser actually. 
2648
2649I was just wondering about everyones opinion over how the big bang (or universe cycle, depending on what theory you believe) was started.
2650
2651
2652cuuldude
2653#RuNN9Kly 2008/07/31 04:57
2654the big bang was started by:
2655
2656umm
2657
2658well...
2659
2660I suppose...
2661
2662A bang...
2663
2664and it was pretty big.
2665
2666I guess.
2667
2668
2669Torture King
2670#93udd4yf 2008/07/31 11:41
2671so logicaly, wouldnt the paradox prove inifinity wrong?
2672
2673
2674Sand master
2675#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/31 15:05
2676Wrong: It only proves infinity.
2677
2678I think we would be able to solve the problem if we were 4 dimensional, but we aren't.
2679
2680There is no origin. There was no beggining. If we can gi an infinite distance in time forward, we can backwards as well. This means the energy was there for an infinite amount of time and will remain here.
2681
2682Iname as One, if you read the debate thoroughly, you would know that we wen't over that subject and started a massive flame war that lasted about three weeks. Now it seems we are repeating everything so many people tried to stop.
2683
2684
2685Sand master
2686#zoIpBQS8 2008/07/31 15:06
2687BTW, if one can go forwards or backwards in time, what about side-to-side, up and down? How do you think that would work?
2688
2689
2690Iname as One
2691#UtrpeV2H 2008/07/31 15:32
2692Side to side, and up/down, if possible, would be traveling to alternite universes.
2693
2694Also, just because we can go forward in time doesn't mean we can go backwards.
2695
2696
2697Torture King
2698#93udd4yf 2008/07/31 17:15
2699an alternate universe, or a diffirent place in that time?
2700or perhaps another messurement not yet thought of?
2701
2702have you ever heard of "The Langoliers" by Stephen King? theres a theory in that particular book that facinates me, it states that a new universe is made for every moment in time (moment meaning the smallest messurement of time) and no living thing stays than for more than that moment, movement is impossible, because movement requires a flow of time, which is not present because time has moved on. langoliers are supposedly, a race of beings that eat the worlds as they are no longer needed. the horror comes when a passengers on a plane fly though a rift and get stuck 5 minutes in the past. 
2703
2704minus the langoliers, it stands as a good theory as any, no?
2705
2706
2707cuuldude
2708#RuNN9Kly 2008/07/31 17:42
2709I'm getting pretty fed-up with all this discussion about infinity, paradox and long-words.
2710
2711I'm very confused and I would like to join in the discussions, but I don't know what you are talking about lol.
2712
2713:-)
2714
2715
2716Torture King
2717#93udd4yf 2008/07/31 18:03
2718just pretend your drunk, ive seen many a philosophcol disscussion among drunk men. my uncle bob "i beleive that life is like a fish-tank, and we are the (hiccup) fish. you can wonder and fear what is outside, or you can go about you buissness, and raise a family." he got real mad when i informed him that most fish eat there young.
2719
2720
2721cuuldude
2722#RuNN9Kly 2008/07/31 18:32
2723lol thanks for the advice!
2724
2725:-)
2726
2727
2728nathandudeguy
2729#2s2BrEnE 2008/07/31 21:58
2730I beleve we are made to travel forward in time. hey, we all are doing it right know. In fact we always will move forward in time as matter will for the rest of time
2731
2732
2733nathandudeguy
2734#2s2BrEnE 2008/07/31 22:04
2735well not like time travell just to let you know
2736
2737
2738Sand master
2739#zoIpBQS8 2008/08/01 06:49
2740Everyone, tomorrow is my last day to discuss with you for a week, but I will come back and start where you last leaft off, even if you ended the debate. I may be able to post tomorrow, but I'm not too sure.
2741
2742
2743Torture King
2744#93udd4yf 2008/08/01 07:15
2745noted
2746
2747
2748Iname as One
2749#UtrpeV2H 2008/08/01 13:14
2750In a couple of days I probably won't be able to debate anymore either.
2751
2752I will try to occasionally drop by to input my opinion over the current subject though.
2753
2754XD
2755
2756
2757Torture King
2758#93udd4yf 2008/08/01 16:23
2759thats what i do.
2760
2761
2762Roy.
2763#cgmVmuZv 2008/08/02 01:24
2764so what happened to all the intellectual stuff you guys were discussing? -_-
2765
2766
2767Torture King
2768#93udd4yf 2008/08/02 11:14
2769Yes of coarse Smart Tad, you disscuss EE. and we'll discuss the universe. (personally i dont have much of a starter topic, so when ever your ready (insert name of person who wishes to discuss universe here))
2770
2771
2772Torture King
2773#93udd4yf 2008/08/03 09:49
2774IM BORED NOW.
2775
2776
2777mushybobble
2778#2CZTEUb5 2008/08/04 03:18
2779shut up with all the paradox cr@p!
2780
2781
2782Torture King
2783#93udd4yf 2008/08/04 09:10
2784READ THE WHOLE DEBATE BEFORE YOU CONTINUE WITH YOU DRABBLE! IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARNT PRODUCTIVE TO OUR RACE! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED! INSULTING OTHERS WITHOUT REASON PROVES YOUR LOW IQ! SO STAY OUT OF THE DEBATE, YOUR NOT NEEDED! (fricken morons think i care)
2785
2786
2787Torture King
2788#93udd4yf 2008/08/04 09:10
2789the message below applies to you mushybubble
2790
2791
2792mushybobble
2793#2CZTEUb5 2008/08/04 21:44
2794Sorry im not nerdy enough for u
2795
2796
2797Torture King
2798#93udd4yf 2008/08/05 15:05
2799sorry i blew up like that.
2800
2801To start(again): can negative numbers actully exist?
2802
2803
2804Torture King
2805#93udd4yf 2008/08/05 18:03
2806i personally dont think so, because there is positive matter, and not negative matter. antimatter cant exist because it cancles out when exposed to matter. ive heard some say (i wont say who) that space is empty. this is proposterous to me because otherwise it would be impossible to swim in it, because of the lack of friction.
2807
2808
2809big pile of poo
2810#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/07 00:37
2811To Torture king:
2812Space is empty you idiot! apart from the odd particle of gas and sometimes a bit of stardust the only matter in it is VISIBLE! There is no friction. That's why spaceships can travel so far on a reletivly small amount of fuel! Most of the fuel is actually used up when they are taking off!
2813
2814
2815Torture King
2816#93udd4yf 2008/08/07 08:53
2817two words: DARK MATTER
2818
2819
2820Torture King
2821#93udd4yf 2008/08/07 08:58
2822Longer explaination: dark matter is composed of only one atom each, these atoms has a small yet note-worthy gravitational pull. this is what allows other forms of matter to stay together, aside from there "little suits" (joke) in other words dark matter fills up the space, so that the planets dont explode.
2823
2824
2825Sand master
2826#zoIpBQS8 2008/08/07 18:52
2827Space is not empty. It is filled with dark matter, non-matter, energy, and other particles. If you bothered reading the debate...
2828
2829I'M BACK! W00T!
2830
2831
2832big pile of poo
2833#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/07 21:38
2834What the hell is dark matter cos I have never heard of it! And is there actually any proof of this dark matter! To me it sounds like some star trek nerd trying to be clever and explain something he doesn't actually know about!
2835
2836
2837cuuldude
2838#RuNN9Kly 2008/08/07 23:13
2839I've never heard of dark matter (apart from on Futurama). But I have heard of anti-matter.
2840It is a type of matter that if even one atom of it touches another type of matter it causes a huge explosion. I think the only way to contain it, is in a vacuum.
2841I heard it of the website of CERN (the most advanced labratory in the world). They can produce it in their particle accelerator.
2842
2843The particle accelerator is a 27km lenght of under ground tubes, that can make things travel at extreme speeds. It is fairly new, and it's first major experiment is supposed to be in 2012. 
2844
2845Which brings us back to the argument about the world ending in 2012. Some scientists beleive that the particle accelerator could have problems and destroy the earth. 
2846
2847I do not believe that the world will end in 2012.
2848
2849Hope I helped! :-)
2850
2851
2852Sand master
2853#zoIpBQS8 2008/08/08 00:35
2854Anti-matter is a stupid theory that can't really apply to physics. Read the debate. We discussed all of this.
2855
2856
2857cuuldude
2858#RuNN9Kly 2008/08/08 02:48
2859*Sand Master*
2860
2861Anti-matter is not a theory, it's a fact.
2862
2863Go to http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases1996/PR01.96EAntiHydrogen.html
2864
2865
2866Torture King
2867#93udd4yf 2008/08/08 09:52
2868gravity is a theory, technically
2869
2870
2871big pile of poo
2872#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/08 16:40
2873Dude you are a MORON! Gravity is not a theory! What keeps us on the earth and not floating into space... Gravity! What keeps planets orbiting aroung our solar system... Gravity! What allows small chunks of rocks to clump together and create planets like ours... Gravity!
2874
2875God, First you are on about some stupid dark matter and then you say gravity is a theory! Once you get out of nursery school come and talk to us then!
2876
2877
2878big pile of poo
2879#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/08 16:49
2880And to cuuldude: Just because one internet site says that antimatter exists does not mean that it does! If that article was on bbc or something like that I would believe it but it isn't! I'm also sure that if something like that really did occur then it would be on the news, but it hasn't!
2881Plus it does not tell you the scientific method of creating antiprotons and electron when it very clearly explains the obvious things like the build up of a hydrogen atom. This just shows me that they are just using a lame excuse to cover over something that they can't be bothered making up!
2882If you find me an article like this one on a more reliable site like bbc then I will probably belive you but the one that you have shown me is just a pile of poo( All jokes aside) as far as I'm concerned!
2883
2884
2885Torture King
2886#93udd4yf 2008/08/08 17:38
2887i refuse to speak to you now, as i cannot condone your method of naming someone wrong without proper proof. "theory" means for those who obviouly do not know, an idea that is fact until proven myth. much like the modern justice system.
2888
2889
2890cuuldude
2891#RuNN9Kly 2008/08/08 18:09
2892*Big pile of poo*
2893
2894Here is a BBC webpage talking about a spacecraft powered by anti-matter:
2895http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/exploration/futurespaceflight/antimatterspacecraft.shtml
2896
2897Enjoy :-)
2898
2899
2900big pile of poo
2901#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/08 19:17
2902cuuldude that article does not prove that antimatter exists!
2903It is simply saying that if an spacecraft was powered by the suggestion of one man then it would be able to travel far on little fuel!
2904
2905And Torture King you have got your definition mixed up there. A theory is a myth until proven fact! That's why I went psyco at you for saying it!
2906
2907
2908big pile of poo
2909#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/08 19:19
2910Oh ye sorry cuuldude I didn't read the bottom of the article. 
2911Turns out you were right
2912
2913
2914Sand master
2915#zoIpBQS8 2008/08/09 00:30
2916Atimatter would not possibly exist, because space is not empty. It is full of unknown subatomic particles, waves of evergy, and possibly dark matter. Any antimatter anywhere would explode on the point of existance (which was an infinite time ago, meaning even if it existed, it wouldn't exist and contradict itself). Even if antimatter existed, it is still mater, but could be classified as 'unstable beyong comprehension.' All things that can physically interact with matter known to us is matter, even energy. Energy is simply a branch of matter and can assimilate, change, and become other forms of matter, possibly including antimatter, as stated above.
2917
2918
2919jalapeno
2920#rbR3rS0X 2008/08/09 03:09
2921BBC? those are the people that made Dr. Who!
2922
2923
2924Torture King
2925#93udd4yf 2008/08/09 15:43
2926the station in england? how do they have any credibility? Dr. who is science FICTION, it shoudnt have much effect on SCIENCE.
2927
2928
2929Sand master
2930#zoIpBQS8 2008/08/09 16:13
2931That was Jalpeno's que.
2932
2933
2934mushybobble
2935#2CZTEUb5 2008/08/09 18:48
2936listen, antimatter could be contained in a jar with an electrical force feild inside, it could also be used in spaceships... the only problems are, it may not exsist cos it explodes when it touches matter, how ever if its just floating around in space or trapped in a time zone consisting on only anitmatter it could.... ok i sound nerdy now ;-)
2937
2938
2939cuuldude
2940#RuNN9Kly 2008/08/09 21:07
2941*Torture King*
2942
2943The BBC have alot of credibility, yes they make Doctor Who, but they make thousands of other shows. They have probably the most trusted web-sites in Britain. They are a very reliable source in Britain.
2944
2945Hope I helped! :-)
2946
2947
2948big pile of poo
2949#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/10 02:52
2950Torture King
2951Cuuldude is right. BBC Do make Doctor who Which is science fiction but they do an amazing amount of documentaries and thier website is considered to be one of the most reliable. 
2952I did a science essay receently in preperation for my GCSE's and we had to collect data of our own and on the sheet we were provided with we were told to look for reliable sources of information and it then listed BBC as one of the most reliable.
2953Just because they do a few science fiction shows doesn't mean that's all they know!
2954
2955
2956turtle3000
2957#DmerTDTI 2008/08/10 03:15
2958shut up! this is a fun game not some summer school science class! ps cheak out powder game 5.1!
2959
2960
2961Torture King
2962#93udd4yf 2008/08/10 10:54
2963even so, im in the US, i dont get bbc. moving on!
2964
2965
2966Torture King
2967#93udd4yf 2008/08/10 18:06
2968isnt this the third time anti-matter has been disicussed? cuz im getting a bit of dejavu.
2969
2970
2971Why not discuss somthing new, like say, Theoretically: if time travel was possible which it probolly isnt, but then we dont really know. what would happen if i were to go back in time and change something? would i change universes?
2972this applys to string theory below:
2973T
2974__ll__ A
2975_________l ll
2976l _ll____ B
2977C
2978
2979Where i start in A goback and make change C and end up in alternate reality B
2980
2981
2982Torture King
2983#93udd4yf 2008/08/10 18:06
2984DARNIT! my diagram was condensed!
2985
2986
2987ROFLZ
2988#5he4B7TB 2008/08/10 22:07
2989*Torture king*
2990
2991umm.....wtf?
2992
2993
2994mushybobble
2995#2CZTEUb5 2008/08/11 04:26
2996the first attempt to circulate beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for September 10, 2008,[
2997
2998
2999cuuldude
3000#RuNN9Kly 2008/08/11 05:30
3001Yeah, but they will only make the machine go to 0.45Tez, when the machines aim is 5Tez.
3002
3003They will make the machine go to 5Tez, but not
3004yet.
3005
3006
3007Torture King
3008#93udd4yf 2008/08/11 18:45
3009too... many... links... GAH!
3010
3011
3012me not u
3013#O6Fvw1kW 2008/08/12 03:03
3014STOP WITH THE BLOODY LINKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3015
3016
3017me not u
3018#O6Fvw1kW 2008/08/12 03:04
3019go to www.roblox.com its awsome or go to www.runescape.com and it sounds like (roon)scape
3020
3021
3022Sand master
3023#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/12 04:16
3024That is very Ironic, 'me not u...'
3025
3026
3027maybe tomorrow
3028#FcvPB7OJ 2008/08/12 04:26
3029lol yeah
3030
3031
3032Torture King
3033#93udd4yf 2008/08/12 12:34
3034phun is fun!
3035
3036
3037Sand master
3038#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/12 19:56
3039Please stop, you're ruining the debate.
3040
3041
3042jalapeno
3043#1HnLQa6V 2008/08/13 04:01
3044yall hate eachother so much. its scrary. and dr who is shown in america on sci fi
3045
3046
3047Sand master
3048#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/13 04:10
3049Well, since everyone had to be a moron, the debate seems to have broken down. If we're lucky, we can rebuild it out of the trash everyone dumped on us in the middle of rebuilding the entire debate due to the recent flame wars.
3050
3051In general, shut up, or ease up on the spam. I take note that requesting people to stop will bring more people here to spam, but I am simply stating so.
3052
3053
3054Torture King
3055#93udd4yf 2008/08/13 08:12
3056No, seriously. someone said a beam was going to go threw the LHC. im curious. C could stand for "center". in which case it could be a research center of sorts. that would be on topic. Maybe its that facility in Kansas where they recreated a mini-big bang, with the worlds largest particle accelarator?
3057
3058
3059dambem
3060#EwwRxxmw 2008/08/13 17:18
3061doctor who is not sci fi 
3062star trec is sci fi and its for old people 
3063
3064
3065Torture King
3066#93udd4yf 2008/08/13 17:41
3067(other non-related topic) Dr. Who is scifi
3068
3069none of it ever happend.
3070
3071
3072Roy.
3073#cgmVmuZv 2008/08/14 03:21
3074So... Um....
3075
3076How about those black holes? ._.
3077
3078IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL THE SAME WITHOUT THEM! >_<
3079
3080
3081Sand master
3082#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/14 10:18
3083The debate is ruined. The only way to get back on our feet is to start with physics with a blank slate like last time...
3084
3085
3086Torture King
3087#93udd4yf 2008/08/14 13:03
3088(again) there is an underground facility in Kansas, and they have a particle accelarator with a diameter of 9 miles. apparently they want to recreate the big bang in order to see what really happend. i personally think its a good idea, but a freind of mine beleives it could result in a black hole that would destroy half of the continent. any other possibilitys?
3089
3090
3091Torture King
3092#93udd4yf 2008/08/14 14:34
3093( diffrent start that will result in fewer flames) perhaps this IS the forth demention, considering that the pattern is adding more depth, i worked backwards one day and concluded that a point is the first. think about it point > line > square > cube...
3094
3095is my logic off? i need to know so that i can write the perfected theory in my notebook for later use. 
3096
3097
3098All Knowing
3099#mtN0QHuZ 2008/08/14 15:33
3100LHC = Large Hadron Collider
3101
3102Basically means banging a hydrogen nucleus against and anti-hydrogen nucleus. Black holes aren't a problem as they evaporate in almost no time at all (give out more mass then can absorb when they are small only dangerous when large). Its the UNKNOWN particles that could kill the planet. But being as we don't know what they are and space bombards us with high energy particles that could create them all the time, it is highly unlikely any super heavy unknown particles wil be discovered in the LHC
3103
3104
3105Sand master
3106#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/14 21:01
3107Well torture king, people have claimed that if we look bigger, we see objects of lower dimensions, so if we look very small, we could find things like 5-dimensional circles, or something.
3108
3109
3110Torture King
3111#MWBbOqwi 2008/08/15 12:47
3112i suppose that makes sense
3113
3114
3115Mudjosh
3116#rNf6Rt2L 2008/08/16 14:39
3117We need the ability to save and load games! IT would show how creative we can be with this! 
3118
3119
3120Sand master
3121#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/16 21:24
3122MUDJOSH! WE MEET AGAIN!
3123
3124I KNEW WE SHALL FIND EACH OTHER SINCE SIEBEN!
3125
3126
3127Sand master
3128#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/16 21:25
3129YOU'D BETTER NOT BRING OVER JOEMAXIMUM OR INFERNO HERE!
3130
3131
3132big pile of poo
3133#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/17 05:19
3134Hey who thinks that player would be good on this game?
3135Take the one from powder game where he can shoot stuff he absorbs and stuff and make him one pixel big.
3136This way we could make a collection a planets and then he could hop from one planet to another.
3137Also if he could absorbs the power of gravity then you could press down to turn yourself into a white hole temporarily or press backspace to turn yourself into a black hole temporarily
3138If you agree with this then copy and paste this message and put your name at the bottom
3139
3140Big Pile of Poo (The inventor)
3141
3142
3143Clouddark
3144#XDd0rw11 2008/08/17 05:33
3145I have returned, as I am incredibly bored.
3146
3147Dimensions don't work that way.
3148To see into the forth dimension is to see all of the future things that are going to happen to you. First dimension is point/line, second is square, third is cube, fourth is a tube so to speak.
3149Just as such it is impossible to see into the fourth dimension, because in the fourth dimension all points of time are at the same exact place, so time essentially stands constantly still.
3150
3151
3152Torture King
3153#MWBbOqwi 2008/08/18 15:13
31541 Was sand master just yelling? 
31552 A player? That would destroy the diferrance in games.
31563 Are you sure? any "fact" at all could be proven wrong at any time with proper evidence, right? After that rule is the foundation of knowlegde.
3157
3158
3159big pile of poo
3160#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/18 17:44
3161Torture king
3162What the hell? What are you on about destroying the difference in games??? Apart from the fact that powder game has more elements and earth editor has gravity points there isn't much difference between them. If there were fighters and players in this game then you could design a planet and then make it so it is a proper planet by putting dwellers on it, instead of making it, throwing a few comets on it, watching it burn maybe and then starting again. Who really cares about the difference in games!
3163
3164
3165big pile of poo
3166#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/18 17:48
3167And besides Torture King, at the minute this game really needs updating baceause the amount of people playing at are falling fast! If this was in the next update then a lot of those people who are bored with it would probably come back!
3168I think this game needs updating next cos powder game and stick ranger, although good, have had plenty of updates lately and if we do get an update then we should either get players and fighters, or a new element.
3169
3170
3171Garfieldthecat
3172#qHkpyvIM 2008/08/18 22:55
3173People who are acting scientific are ruining the game for me because now i can't help it that i am thinking of scientific things while i make planets and than i just hate it because science is also confusing for a person who is interested in cooking especiallt Lasagna and in 6th grade.
3174
3175
3176Garfieldthecat
3177#qHkpyvIM 2008/08/18 23:05
3178I may have a higher IQ than people who are going in 6th grade and i mean a lot but WHO THE HECK WOULD TALK ABOUT THE UNIVERSE AT A COMMENT BOARD FOR GAMERS!!!!!!! PEOPLE DISCUSSING SCIENTIFIC OR MATHEMATICAL THINGS HERE DO NOT BELONG!!!!!! (this won't make sense.) "I never met a Lasagna i didn't like"
3179Well i guess it was out of topic that i was saying but i steal lines from Garfield and to show i didn't copy it illegally i used quotation marks. YES I AM IN 6th GRADE I GOT MORE USEFUL TEACHERS LIKE TEACHES WELL BUT IS STILL NICE AND LETS US DO STUFF!!! TORTURE KING AND PEOPLE WHO WERE DISCUSSING WHATEVER THEY WERE DISCUSSING ARE NERDS!!!!!!! Unless they were trying to stop it or were insulting them.
3180
3181
3182Sand master
3183#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/18 23:37
3184Seriously, if you don't like it, ignore it! Your irritating pleas to stop have almost ruined the debate, so just talk about whatever you want to, and we will keep going.
3185
3186
3187big pile of poo
3188#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/19 01:59
3189Garfield the cat
3190How are people who are having scientific debates nerds??? Nerds are people who do nothing but scientific debates. The fact that we are doing it on a game comments board does not mean we are nerds it actually means that someone said something that sparked us off onto a scientific debate. There is also the fact that this game is based in space so we are going to have a scientific debate
3191
3192
3193Roy.
3194#OVhoNRP5 2008/08/19 02:47
3195Garfield the cat..."WHO THe heCK WOULD TALK ABOUT THE UNIVERSE AT A COMMENT BOARD FOR GAMERS!!!!!"the universe relates to the fact that this game is called 'earth editor' isn't it?plus these guys have been debating for MONTHS, and everyone that comes here usually learns to ignore it or join in. >_>
3196
3197
3198Torture King
3199#MWBbOqwi 2008/08/19 14:01
3200okay... those last few.. nvm.
3201
3202i will admit im probolly a nerd. but then i dont really care either so there, insult aborted.
3203i would also like to think i was part of the intellictiwel ( im sure i spelled that wrong) speaking, so why would i try to stop it?
3204ive run out of things to add to the debate, so ill just listen untill i can think of somthing to add.
3205
3206
3207big pile of poo
3208#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/19 16:23
3209Well said torture king.
3210And so what if you are in the 6th grade Garfieldthecat! Who actually cares how old you are? I'm 15 but you don't see me wandering the comments boards and looking for attention by saying it!
3211
3212If you want to talk about the actual game then just say something about it and hope that someone will reply, but don't start insulting people just because they are doing what every human being in the world does and having a conversation!!!
3213
3214
3215Sand master
3216#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/20 10:15
3217This isn't much of an improvement to last week's garbage since everyone ruied the debate with links, spam, and irony.
3218
3219
3220Torture King
3221#MWBbOqwi 2008/08/20 11:37
3222OOH! have you heard of the planet Niberu? supposedly it has an orbit itersecting the astroid belt, and its about 8 times the size of Jupiter. last time it came around, it destroyed the planet that is now the astroid belt, and the sight of it scared the Sumerians so badly, it is apperntly the reason they became nomads again. well ts comeing arond again, and if you ask me, its gravitational pull may be the reason for the incresed rate of seismic activity, no?
3223
3224
3225big pile of poo
3226#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/20 17:26
3227Torture King
3228If a planet that size did enter our solar system ALL of the planets would be destroyed because there is such a delicate balance between all of the orbit and amounts of gravitational pull. Think about how scientists keep potentially dangerous meteors away from earth. If they see a threat they will send a reletively small craft up to meet it and will equip it to explode with nuclear force on impact. This changes the coarse of the meteor by one millioth of a degree but by the time it gets here that millionth of a degree was enough to send it completly off course. If this planet did come into our solar system the effects although small at first, would knock some planets out of the solar system, or into each other, or into the sun. Research says that if the earth was knocked 2cm either way of it's orbit we would either freeze or burn to death depending on which way we went. 
3229
3230
3231midmyst
3232#zJbCjjVD 2008/08/21 06:34
3233big pile of poo, powder game is sooooo populor for many and some people post comments on pg in other comments sections. anyway we should have the ability to make life and colonize earth
3234
3235
3236MidnightMuffin
3237#Umh4awsU 2008/08/21 07:55
3238@Garfeildthecat: What Does cooking lasagna have to do with planets?
3239
3240
3241shirako
3242#zErrIsoz 2008/08/21 10:49
3243garfieldthecat, if guys having scientific debates are nerds, then what about the the guys having scientific debates about how to save us in case something like a giant astriod is going to hit us are they nerds
3244
3245
3246Torture King
3247#MWBbOqwi 2008/08/21 11:03
3248apparently. =)
3249
3250
3251Sand master
3252#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/21 21:58
3253We'll leave him on earth when we recolonize some other planet while he get's pummeled by asteroids...
3254
3255I don't think a planet 8 times the size of Jupiter creating the asteroid belt could have done so when the Sumerians were around. It would have taken several million years to spread the debri across the area that is the belt, especially with a size like that. Even the remainder of the planet would be massive enough to recollect the asteroids and regrow into a planet again.
3256
3257
3258jalapeno
3259#1HnLQa6V 2008/08/21 22:03
3260yes. they are nerds.
3261
3262
3263big pile of poo
3264#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/22 16:47
32653DLegend
3266If it was going to collide with Earth we would have recieved warning by now! Scientists have predicted weather 100's of years into the future and they have also predicted meteor collisions decades before they are due! I don't think that if tis was going to happen we wouldn't of recieved warning 5 years before
3267
3268
3269cuuldude
3270#RuNN9Kly 2008/08/22 18:24
32713DLegend
3272
3273No-one is going to sign that list, because we have common sense!
3274
3275People can predict METEOR collisions HUNDREDS of years into the future, dont you think that if they predicted a PLANET colliding with earth in FOUR years there would be umm... how to put this... WORLD-WIDE PANIC!
3276
3277There will be no planet collision, to put it in a nut-shell!
3278
3279Hope I helped!
3280
3281
3282big pile of poo
3283#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/22 18:27
3284That's basically what I said but thanks for backing me up cuuldude ;)
3285
3286
3287Arkhan
3288#h2Fffym4 2008/08/22 18:38
3289you know i dont agree with 3-d legend but before you dismiss it think first. what if theyre not telling us because that would create mass hysteria.and that would do no good. and i mean if they announce it that means theyve got to do something. but what can they do? as far as i know were stuck on earth.so i guess they think that its better for the world to have peace until it ends rather than fear when it ends. again i dont agree but that doesnt mean you shoul dimiss 
3290
3291
3292big pile of poo
3293#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/22 20:58
3294Arkhan
3295They are paid by multiple goverernments to test these things. If they didn't reveal these things they would probably be shot when it was found out!
3296
3297
3298A GUY
3299#yZKgcHLQ 2008/08/23 01:33
3300what about non-government people who found out? They would tell other people!
3301
3302
3303Sand master
3304#3RCLiyAZ 2008/08/23 05:47
3305Jeez, this debate has opened up to spammers and morons.
3306
3307
3308Torture King
3309#93udd4yf 2008/08/23 15:19
33101. Conspirecy theorists
33112. Mooches
33123. Hippys
33134. Get-Rich-Quick people
3314
3315These are the top types of people who i veiw as un-productive. many people are behaving as NO. 1
3316
3317
3318big pile of poo
3319#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/23 15:32
3320Torture King you are doing exactly what garfield the cat was doing! Because you don't like the conversation or you want to talk about something else you have decided to insult us! The conversations you were in weren't exactly productive either! Like I said to Garfield the cat if you don't like the conversation either leave till it's over or join in! Don't insult us because you either can't be bothered or are just plain rude!
3321
3322
3323big pile of poo
3324#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/23 15:49
3325To a guy
3326If it was scientists who were being paid by a non-government then they would be able to get thier hands on millions by telling governments. For example if they sold thier research.
3327
3328Also the fact that everyone on this comments board seems to know but no-one else in the world does makes me think that someone has read an article(or post) and misinterpreted it. If you all actually believed this was going to happen then you woudln't be leaving it to be argued about on a comments board, you would most likely be telling everyone you knew and announcing it to the public. That's what I would be doing.
3329
3330
3331rawr is #1
3332#ecZJzENg 2008/08/23 15:52
3333i love this girl named Amanda... i love her soo much but i can't ask her out :/ cause i don't wana make a food out of myself if she says no.
3334
3335
3336Torture King
3337#93udd4yf 2008/08/23 20:01
3338To Rawr: wat hapens if she reads it in this VERY public place and finds out its you?
3339
3340To the person who is apprently a conspirecy theorist, considering he would not feel insulted if he wasnt: I am mildly autistic, I have an excuse for what you would consider rude behavior. ( if i see one "autistic/retarded same thing" comment on the board I WILL EXPLODE UPON THE POSTER)leaving the conversation entirly and posting the statement below, is my versoin ,of salvaging the brutaly murdered and mutilated thing that once resembled a debate.
3341
3342To sand master: I beleive i have another answer to the first question, its a geometric version, Simple: look up. The universe is infinite. Thus, the egde of the universe is inifintely far away. is represents the structure of the question. By looking up, you see the answer. A paradox cannot truly exist in this realm. And you asked what would I see. I would see all the matter in front of the object of an inifinte size that was inifintly far away.
3343
3344
3345big pile of poo
3346#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/24 00:23
3347Torture King
3348I did not feel insulted cos you called me a conspirecy theorist I said that cos you did exactly what Garfield the cat did and started insulting people(Or trying to) because they were simply having a conversation. And honestly I couldn't care lesss whther you were autistic or not, it doesn't giive you the excuse to do that!
3349
3350
3351Torture King
3352#93udd4yf 2008/08/24 09:02
3353I insulted noone, they meerly took offence.
3354
3355
3356MidnightMuffin
3357#Umh4awsU 2008/08/24 13:43
3358It couldn't be a planet if it's able to fly at the earth.
3359
3360
3361Torture King
3362#93udd4yf 2008/08/24 14:02
3363Planets are not restricted to our solar system FYI
3364
3365
3366big pile of poo
3367#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/24 14:25
3368Torture king
3369You tried to insult people because you said
3370"1. Conspirecy theorists
33712. Mooches
33723. Hippys
33734. Get-Rich-Quick people
3374
3375These are the top types of people who i veiw as un-productive. many people are behaving as NO. 1"
3376
3377By saying this you were saying that people were being unproductive and were therefore insulting them.
3378
3379To midnightmuffin
3380What do you mean? Do you mean that if it is coming at the earth then it must be a meteor because that's not how it works. I don't believe it all because of lack of evidence and warning but apparently we are in the way of it's orbit, or we will be when it get's here.
3381
3382
3383Torture King
3384#93udd4yf 2008/08/25 08:06
33851. prove to me that those sorts of people are productive in any way as aa result of there habits.
3386
33872. i never once said we were in any danger, its big not dense.
3388
3389
3390Torture King
3391#93udd4yf 2008/08/25 08:10
33922012 WILL NOT end the world, it simply happens to be the year that the sun will appear to move in the center of a distent galaxy (a mayan myth of the sun god getting trapped in the underworld) and when the poles switch. neither one would kill us.
3393
3394
3395big pile of poo
3396#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/25 16:41
3397Torture King
3398I cannot say that they were being productive and if you were paying any attention to my last few posts you would of realised that!
3399What I was saying is that you were doing exactly the same as garfieldthecat did and were basically sulking because you did not like the conversation that others were having. So then you tried to insult them to make them stop. Considering the fact that you are now carrying on that coversation yourself makes me think all the less of you and proves to me as well as others that you are just selfish, rude, and hypocritical!
3400
3401And don't start giving me the whole "I'm autistic" thing cos to be honest I don't really care, it does not give you any right to do what you did!
3402
3403On that note I finish this conversation and will not answer to any replies you have on the subject seeing as you are simply repeating yourself and are doing a bad job of defending yourself!
3404
3405
3406DarkRaine
3407#FS3RDDMC 2008/08/26 11:07
3408There's an idiot named malli on the powder game comment boards who says that ha55ii isn't the owner of the website... even worse, he thinks sendai45 is the owner and that ha55ii is a wannabe... if that's not just sad, I don't know what is...
3409
3410
3411Bugs@Socks.com7
3412#Mu5aRP9M 2008/08/26 13:11
3413It is sad.
3414It's also sad that I started this...
3415
3416I'm joining in.
3417
34182012 is some ridiculous date given to the end of the world. THINK ABOUT THE DATE!
341912/21/12
342012 21 12
3421Just the same numbers three times in a row. That's all it is.
3422IF Nibiru is real, it couldn't hit the earth. It would swing around the Earth, or (If it's big enough) would swing the Earth around.
3423It wouldn't hit the Earth.
3424Kind of like atoms, the planets don't "crash."
3425
3426Sorry for almost ruining the debate with my ads, Sand Master.
3427
3428
3429Bugs@Socks.com7
3430#Mu5aRP9M 2008/08/26 13:14
3431EDIT:
3432OK, I meant to say that planets don't crash as long there is the delicate balance of gravity as there is.
3433IF there was a gravitational change in the Earth/other planets, then we would be toast.
3434
3435
3436Torture King
3437#93udd4yf 2008/08/26 17:15
3438thats not why 2012 is ridiculous. our caladar is the 2nd most accurate, with the egyptian being 3rd, and the mayan 1st. the mayans thought that an X shaped galaxy to the north of Chichen Itza was the entrance to Hell, and that the Sun was a living entity that require blood for sustanance in order to rise. If the sun-god were to get sent to Hell, he would be trapped for a whole day and die, with him all hopes of raising crops. A solar eclipse is going to happen over Chichen Itza that particular year, while the sky is dark, it will appear that the sun has slipped into Hell.
3439The egyptian Pyramid has 2012 bricks showing, and they had the best calandar in the Old World, so everyone assumes that something will happen on that year. thats it.
3440
3441
3442Comet2012
3443#lT9uJxKH 2008/08/26 22:03
3444Sorry to imform u people that the COMET will hit earth on 2015. Thank you. We Cant Change The Ad So it will say as 2012
3445
3446
3447RaininDown
3448#lT9uJxKH 2008/08/26 22:06
3449WHO HERE BELIEVES NIBIRU IS A REAL PLANET/BROWN DWARF THAT WILL COLIDE WITH EARTH IN 2012? I MEAN SERIOUSLY... DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT THERE'S A PLANET THAT HUGE THATS GOING TO COLLIDE WITH US?
3450
3451COPY-PASTE AND PUT YOUR NAME HERE IF YOU'RE A NON BELIEVER!
3452
34531.3DLegend
34542.sweaty ballsack
34553.DarkRaine
34564.RaininDown
34575.
34586.
34597.
3460
3461
3462sweaty ballsack
3463#KxqsqGUm 2008/08/27 03:34
3464at least i have the sweaty balls to tell everyone in what i believe in, even if it does sound idiotic or stupid. I dont know much about physics or religion but i know what i believe in
3465
3466
3467Lol
3468#pIkN6PtH 2008/08/28 05:43
3469Just FYI to everyone, there is no "Nibiru" or whatever you are calling it. If there was a planet close enough to earth that it would be hitting in 4 years, then scientists would definitely have knowledge of it already. Scientists closely moniter the trajectory of anything even remotely close to the earth. Theres nothing thats going to have even a remote chance of colliding with the earth in at least the next 20 years. Please don't post your BS theories, just keep them to yourself please. Btw, theres nothing that is going to happen on 2012 unless it is manmade (like a very large nuclear attack), and if it was, nobody here would know about it.
3470
3471
3472Lol
3473#pIkN6PtH 2008/08/28 05:46
3474Torture king, there is no Nibiru, and the asteroid belt is the remnants of the primordial gases that went into creating the solar system billions of years ago. Even if there was a planet 8x the size of jupiter that entered our solar system 8000 years ago, it would not only be here today due to the gravity of the sun, but the remnants of the "Asteroid belt planet" Wouldnt be in a ring, they would be clumped together.
3475
3476
3477devin
3478#wrBCsvp1 2008/08/28 06:22
3479You're all idiots!! THERE IS NO COMET/MEATEOR/ASTEROID. REPEAT: THERE IS NO COMET/MEATEOR/ASTEROID. ;)
3480
3481
3482Torture King
3483#MWBbOqwi 2008/08/29 16:58
3484im just going to stop my resurrection attemps. (wish i never brought up the stupid planet.) when exactly did a large, yet not dense planet that intersects the orbit of the outer planets, become a rather small, highly compacted astroid that was heading for earth on 2012?!?
3485
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3488#1hpvCCw6 2008/08/30 02:36
3489no clue. whenever the masses got their hands on the data.
3490
3491
3492Sand Master (LG)
3493#i5B0i1gW 2008/08/30 02:58
3494I leave this debate for a week and I see you all screwed everything up. This debate used to be a discussion of subjects based on the PROOF you find about it. I come back seeing you talk about horribly irrational subjects such as massive planets in the asteroid belt, the possibility of a meteor hitting us and when (actually, there is proof of a possibility, but SERIOUSLY), and 2012! If the mayans said you should run around with a rubber chicken naked on Wall St., would you do it?The only reason people think they have proof is because they are looking for it! I think that believers in such a concept should pay everyone in compensation due to harrasing us if their 'dommsday' deadline is passed.
3495
3496Enough with the subjects posing irrational proof, or even none at all. This is almost like politics (Vote me)!
3497
3498Last of all, STOP WITH THE SPAM! Seriously, this comments board was a shell of a discussion until we began debating, and slowly it grew to be a heated discussion, but there wasn't this much nonsense, and just all kinds of carp (censor?) that you see here now. I may think that ignoring certain subjects discussed could keep people form harrasing us with 'STOP THE DEBATE' posts, but we aen't harrased here, we're DROWNING in it!
3499
3500Stop bullsitting (censor?) and get your facts from a reliable source.
3501
3502
3503Bullseye
3504#zRtBLqd8 2008/08/30 05:28
3505COPY-PASTE AND PUT YOUR NAME HERE IF YOU'RE A NON BELIEVER!
3506
35071.3DLegend
35082.sweaty ballsack
35093.DarkRaine
35104.RaininDown
35115.Bullseye
35126.
35137.
3514
3515
3516Bullseye
3517#zRtBLqd8 2008/08/30 05:30
3518i really think that if the day everything is supposed to end DOESNT happen then they have to pay everyone they meet 100$ untill they go bankrupt.
3519
3520
3521ESBEES
3522#SChSEQRd 2008/08/30 09:04
3523WHO HERE BELIEVES NIBIRU IS A REAL PLANET/BROWN DWARF THAT WILL COLIDE WITH EARTH IN 2012? I MEAN SERIOUSLY... DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT THERE'S A PLANET THAT HUGE THATS GOING TO COLLIDE WITH US?
3524
3525COPY-PASTE AND PUT YOUR NAME HERE IF YOU'RE A NON BELIEVER!
3526
35271.3DLegend
35282.sweaty ballsack
35293.DarkRaine
35304.RaininDown
35315.Bullseye
35326.ESBEES
35337.
3534
3535
3536BUFFY
3537#dnYsqLyj 2008/08/30 09:51
35381.3DLegend
35392.sweaty ballsack
35403.DarkRaine
35414.RaininDown
35425.Bullseye
35436.ESBEES
35447.buffy
3545
3546
3547b0mb
3548#1hpvCCw6 2008/08/30 10:52
3549how about this. the world will not end. the conspiracy theorists are full of it. the Mayan calender ends because they didn't record further. not because the world will be destroyed by an outside force.
3550
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3553#1hpvCCw6 2008/08/30 10:54
3554and enough with the lists. all they do is waste space that could be used for a serious discussion. between logical adults and enlightened teenagers (most children would be baffled by these topics. they don't read and have a smal vocabulary because of it)
3555
3556
3557killer ky
3558#vfo7IrP9 2008/08/30 13:12
35591.3DLegend
35602.sweaty ballsack
35613.DarkRaine
35624.RaininDown
35635.Bullseye
35646.ESBEES
35657.buffy
35668.killy ky
3567
3568
3569killer ky
3570#vfo7IrP9 2008/08/30 13:14
35711.3DLegend
35722.sweaty ballsack
35733.DarkRaine
35744.RaininDown
35755.Bullseye
35766.ESBEES
35777.buffy
35788.killer ky
3579mistell earlier sorry
3580
3581
3582DRA4
3583#9BgfybV6 2008/08/30 18:47
35841.3DLegend
35852.sweaty ballsack
35863.DarkRaine
35874.RaininDown
35885.Bullseye
35896.ESBEES
35907.buffy
35918.killer ky
35929.DRA4
3593
3594
3595b0mb
3596#1hpvCCw6 2008/08/30 22:48
3597enough with the lists. all they do is waste space. just say you agree instead of wasting pages of the comments board.
3598
3599
3600Mr.PipeBomb
3601#bhjAEJKv 2008/08/30 23:30
3602what do you mean waste space?
3603
3604
3605Mr.PipeBomb
3606#bhjAEJKv 2008/08/30 23:31
3607and u copied.
3608
3609
3610NomNomNom
3611#pgpRj2V3 2008/08/31 00:43
36121.3DLegend
36132.sweaty ballsack
36143.DarkRaine
36154.RaininDown
36165.Bullseye
36176.ESBEES
36187.buffy
36198.killer ky
36209.DRA4 10. WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOOOOF BARK BARK AWOOOOGAAA SNORT SNORT...
3621
3622
3623b0mb
3624#1hpvCCw6 2008/08/31 01:16
3625by waste space i mean they use a ton of space, when you could just say you agree with whoevers idea it was and leave it at that. no page long posts.
3626
3627
3628b0mb
3629#1hpvCCw6 2008/08/31 01:16
3630and who copied?
3631
3632
3633big pile of poo
3634#EmCxmJK2 2008/08/31 01:58
3635ha lol. this comments board has turned rubbish cos of spammers and people who think they are smart by copying a list and putting thier name on it. Guess what people... putting your name on a list isn't going to do anything about anything. 
3636
3637And BOmb: there is no point arguing with them cos they won't listen. Jsut join another comments board conversation instead of trying to save this one cos it is far beyond saving.
3638
3639
3640big pile of poo
3641#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/01 00:09
3642dude it isn't "poo" it is big pile of poo. A poo is a simple yet meaningless being that is no use to anyone or anything. I am a big pile of poo which is the highest form of mammal excretion that exists! duuuh! Get it right!
3643
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3646#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/01 00:55
3647hehe alrighty big pile of manure
3648
3649
3650big pile of poo
3651#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/01 01:18
3652That's better but manure is considered as insulting to the faeces world. And to dolphins???
3653
3654
3655cheesycoke
3656#q4dUTWGW 2008/09/01 04:13
3657anyone wanna talk about the game earth editor?all these comments are supposed to be about it!!!!!
3658
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3660b0mb
3661#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/01 06:09
3662sorry big pile of poo. it was a play on words. and it wouldn't let me post earlier to say that lol. poo=manure=fertilizer.
3663
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3666#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/01 06:22
3667sure. but whats there to talk about for this? every time i play i create a planet a nuke it, but that it.
3668
3669
3670Torture King
3671#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/02 18:35
3672hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha!
3673sand masters last comment was HILARIOUS!
3674I now know that not only am I truly standing on an island surrounded by idiotic,gullible, and missguided people and the sheep that consider themselfs a part of pop-culture that listen (with VERY little company). But most of these morons are apparently spending money that could go to further schoolling, on the internet post lists that wont affect their actual lives what-so-ever!
3675
3676
3677Post "i r not a sheep" if you think out-side the box!
3678
3679(hahahahahahaha!!!)
3680
3681
3682Torture King
3683#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/03 04:00
3684Im FeEllINg RanDOm_ToDAy!!!!
3685
3686
3687Sand Master (LG)
3688#i5B0i1gW 2008/09/03 06:06
3689Pardon? I am a idiotic gullible moron who enjoys pop culture? I rally do think you are incorrect. Although being stupid nis relative, I am not very gullible, and I hate pop culture.
3690
3691
3692Dragon Power
3693#iiSzYhu7 2008/09/03 06:52
3694OK- New Question
3695
3696When do you think the Earth's population is going to die out. I would say in a few million years, when the sun explodes. o.O
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3700#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/03 07:39
3701Torture king: those of u who play this (other than the spamming idiots with nothing else to do) aren't sheep simple because we do not stay within the social guidelines. if i did, I'd be a stupid macho jock who didn't know a motherboard from starboard
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3705#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/03 07:40
3706and dragon power. i think the worlds population will die out whenever a superpower instigates world war 3. its brewing already. so don't say it won't happen.
3707
3708
3709Spaz
3710#eVm15qmV 2008/09/03 09:38
3711Yeah, ya know Russia still has all those nuclear warheads from the cold war. We should have been peeing our pants when they attacked Georgia.
3712
3713
3714Torture King
3715#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/03 14:19
3716(with VERY little company) should have been placed right after "island" i did not call you that, i was refering to the myriads of list makers and conspirecy theorists. please note that a common word only becomes an insult when, someone decides to take offence.
3717
3718
3719big pile of poo
3720#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/03 15:11
3721Torture king you seriously need to rethink that. You said something and tried to use it to insult others at the fact that basically they are noobs. Simply saying that it is only insulting if people take offence is not true. It is insulting when the person saying it was trying to be insulting which you were.
3722
3723
3724big pile of poo
3725#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/03 15:18
3726and can I ask who said anything about paying money on a comments board? If that was about the whole two computers thing then they weren't saying that they bought another computer just to post more, they were saying tat when they run out of posts they simply switch computers. most households do have two computers if you include laptops.
3727
3728
3729Torture King
3730#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/03 16:00
3731how amazing that you know more about what im getting at then me. i simply said that i thought they were being rather unproductive, and then i appologized to sand master, fitting in some new-age phillosophy while i was at it.
3732
3733
3734Here is the basic way for a word to become an insult(with examples!) a word is mentally a label. when man(as a species) gives a word to an object, he automatically provides an easy to use tool that his fellows may also use. a word is physically a local sound at first, usually having to do with the obect it is assighned (macaw). as man advanced, so did he divide culturally, and mentally. differnt meannings arose for a single type of grass, canine, and even the very word water! this was the very time insults arose. an insult is any word that makes a person/group angry. this only arises when a word is contridictory to already established meanings, causing stress to erupt, with no other reason other than said word. a logical meaning for becoming insulted is as follows: if i were to say that the selfish were immoral, and and a particular person were to take offence, it would only prove to others he is selfish, causing stress, which again only has one possible way out.
3735
3736
3737Sand Master (LG)
3738#i5B0i1gW 2008/09/04 05:10
3739This is sad. We don't even know what we're talking about anymore...
3740
3741
3742b0mb
3743#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/04 05:29
3744we do, but few of us bother to read it. now, i cant post as often so i cant mediate between people causing arguments(school started again). and torture kind is right about the evolution of insults, but really, it doesn't matter how they evolved. it's insulting now, either because it's true or because it's so phenominally wrong.
3745
3746
3747jalapeno
3748#1HnLQa6V 2008/09/04 09:33
3749WAS YALLS PROBLEM NOW?
3750
3751
3752Torture King
3753#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/04 12:21
3754your spelling. no, just kidding, there never was a problem, its a debate.
3755
3756
3757big pile of poo
3758#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/04 14:33
3759Torture king I really can't be boothered arguing with you (again) over the whole insult thing so I am going to put it in simple terms. An insult is an insult if the person who issues it meant for it to be an insult. Regerdless of whether people take it as an insult or not. The comment that you posted was meant as an insult so therefore WAS an insult.
3760
3761
3762Torture King
3763#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/04 18:24
3764i did not mean for it to be an insult, you just convinced yourself i did.
3765
3766cuuldude
3767#RuNN9Kly 2008/09/05 05:51
3768Everyone!!!
3769
3770The Hadron Collider's first experiment is on September 10th!
3771
3772Some people think that it could create black holes that will eat the earth!
3773
3774Can i just say before people start panicing, that there is nothing to worry about, there will be no black holes!
3775
3776I said this so that people would not make petitions like:
3777Sign here if you think the world will end on September 10th
3778
3779It is not going to.
3780
3781Hope I helped :-)
3782
3783
3784Torture King
3785#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/05 14:14
3786(september 11th, 2008) WE TOLD YOU SO!
3787
3788i said that because people will waste their precious time petitioning on a site that govt. officials NEVER VISIT, in dumber terms: CONGRATS!! YOU DIDNT SAVE THE WORLD WITH A LIST!!!
3789
3790
3791big pile of poo
3792#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/05 15:01
3793I think I saw something about that on the news. They were talking about a particle accelerator and ended the topic by saying that some people believe it will destroy the earth. And I think it is on the 10th cos they said about it being switched on on wednesday.
3794
3795
3796cuuldude
3797#RuNN9Kly 2008/09/06 03:04
3798yeah, its in Switzerland and they are turning it on for the first time on the 10th.
3799
3800There is a 1 in 50 000 000 chance of it creating a black hole.
3801
3802bluestorm
3803#EuSWoPRd 2008/09/06 06:48
3804Dragon Master. correction on your question, the sun is going to explode in 5 billion years. And by then everyone should be able to buy a rocket and leave earth for another planet (mars would die to).
3805
3806
3807maybe tomorrow
3808#FcvPB7OJ 2008/09/06 08:24
3809Black holes that can eat the earth? tell me how, and don't just post a link.
3810
3811
3812Torture King
3813#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/06 08:56
3814theres no such thing as chance, with the right equation. hurray for chaos theory!
3815
3816
3817Sand Master (LG)
3818#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/06 10:22
3819Technically, everything could be chance, Torture King
3820
3821According to Godel (the dots over the 'o'), no pattern that exceeds the capacity of the program (computer, brain, anything) cannot be fully computed, therefore we have no way to prove officially that an infinite pattern is stable. If we take a pattern like +2+2+2+2+2... we have no way to find out if there is a +1 beyond the capacity of the program.
3822
3823If we can find a stable turing device, the possibility of disproving this theory may be possible, but we are much too far away from being close to creating a machine powerful enough, let alone infinite capacity, to produce this.
3824
3825Until then, we must consider everything as chance and theory.
3826
3827
3828Torture King
3829#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/06 10:47
3830so, what you're saying is that i could float off into space at any moment because the chances said gravity woud stop working?
3831
3832
3833Sand Master (LG)
3834#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/06 11:11
3835It's perfectly possible. Just becuase it has been consistant for over 13 billion years doesn't make it stable.
3836
3837
3838big pile of poo
3839#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/06 14:41
3840Actually for gravity to stop working the entire earth would have to disconnect itself from every particle on the earth. large gravity is created when huge amounts of matter clump together using the small gravity that they have. These particles can then stay together using a mixture of weak and strong intermolecular force. For gravity to stop every single atom on the earth (not including living matter) would have to stop exerting any intermolecular morce and therefore spiltting itself from any other atom and that is not possible. Gravity cannot suddelny stop working unless the earth got spilt into fragments by a huge explosion from the inside. If this did happen then no-one would float into space anyway because the explosion would of killed them.
3841
3842
3843Torture King
3844#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/06 14:58
3845what i cant figure out, (without using my previopusly mentioned mebrane theory, which still has some holes) is why does gravity compell atoms to stick to gether some times, but not all of the time. the rule genarally states that atoms attract eachother into spheres and they just get bigger and bigger. and yet gravity holds everything together without smaller object getting fused. (we can pick up and drop anything i want.) even a magnetic/energy membrane could only come in -/+ types, forcing some atoms together, and others apart. perhaps the negative side resides on the inner part, and the positive on the outside(or vice-versa) that could help hold matter together while repeling other objects. any agreements/other suggestions?
3846
3847
3848big pile of poo
3849#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/06 23:48
3850ye torture king it is quite confusing but I think that it is only the core of the earth that emits gravitational force. The solid part of the core anyway. It is only this part that has a strong intermolecular force and it does not/cannot join with any of the liquid core around it. This liquid core would be a barrier stopping it from joining with any more matter. The matter around the surface of the earth is not molecularly attached and on it's own it cannot create a force strong enough to do so. That is why if you put your hand on the floor you do not find yourself joined after a prolonged period of time. As for when the earth was first created as you probably know small chunks of rock clupmed together after probably being joined together by the Sun's gravity. Eventually it was big enough to provide it's own gravity and joined with more and more rock. Different pressure created different layers to the Earth and eventually it reached a stable point where everything was in balance and the rock that previously was clumping with more and more rock no longer had the opportunity.
3851Really only gravity can create new gravity because if it wasn't for the Sun that first piece of rock wouldn't of clumped together and we wouldn't be were we are today.
3852As for where the Suns gravity came from you will have to decide yourself. Some like me believe that a creator started it all off and others belive that other stars created the Suns gravity. However if you believe in the latter then you have to ask yourself where those stars came from and the next lot of stars came from etc.
3853
3854
3855PrivatePwnage
3856#dN7VGvmK 2008/09/07 02:39
3857bigpileofpoo 
3858WTF R U TALKING ABOUT?! O.O
3859
3860PrivatePwnage
3861#dN7VGvmK 2008/09/07 02:41
3862whats all this gravity sh!t about?!!
3863
3864
3865bluestorm
3866#EuSWoPRd 2008/09/07 02:59
3867somthing that should been posted yesterday: http://2012-comet.com/
3868
3869
3870big pile of poo
3871#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/07 14:54
3872@ private pwnage
3873Torure King asked about gravity so I answered his question with the answer I thought appropriate. Or are you to feeble and pathetic to scroll down the page and find out what the post was about before you start taking a skitso at something you apparently don't understand?
3874
3875
3876Sand Master (LG)
3877#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/07 22:16
3878Since were on the topic of gravity, have you heard about gravitons? I personally think it is a stupid theory, and they just THINK they found them. Particles that CAUSE gravity? I want to know how that's gonna work. It definately sounds stupid if you look at it my way.
3879
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3881arkhan
3882#nRRo5qaT 2008/09/07 22:49
3883actually everything has gravity it just depends on the mass and density of the object.
3884
3885
3886big pile of poo
3887#XlpODHec 2008/09/08 03:42
3888Yes everything does have gravity but the matter needs to be clumped together by some force other than it's own gravity. Otherwise loads of new planets would be appearing in our solar system all the time because of the asteroid belt.
3889
3890And yes this is the real big pile of poo I'm just on adiffernt computer and can't be bothered logging in.
3891
3892
3893Sand Master (LG)
3894#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/08 05:48
3895That didn't really answer my question...
3896
3897
3898Torture King
3899#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/08 08:56
3900According to chemistry, mathimatics, and physics, everything can be broken down into something smaller. Galaxys are solar systems, solar systems are planets, planets are continents.... it can all be cut in half. the system being infinte in both directions, it is virtually impossible to answer any question completly. ( What is 2+2?, Why?) (Is the fact that this planet existing proof that another planet is not in the exact same spot?) (Why is it that paradoxes may not exist? Can you prove that this is true?)
3901
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3903Torture King
3904#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/08 08:58
3905i forgot the final point=) forces such as gravity are a result to be sure, but of what is obviously not to be known.
3906
3907
3908fundrawperson
3909#6sKN9K2E 2008/09/08 09:16
3910ive looked at this forum for a while now, just curious, why do you guys know this stuff, even more so, why do u talk about it?
3911
3912
3913Sand Master (LG)
3914#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/08 09:46
3915We enjoy debating over physics, and this is not a forum.
3916
3917I already understood that, Torture King.
3918
3919
3920big pile of poo
3921#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/08 15:15
3922Torture king 2+2=4. There is no way around that simply because the mathematical series uses numbers that are complete. When you get into using pie in any of these equations it can get difficult because the exact number of pie has not yet been calculated and it is then fair to say that no-one knows the truly correct answer to any questions with this number in it. However 2 is a whole number and the exact value of that number is known. It is then easy to figure out the exact equal to the sum 2+2. The same goes for any equation using numbers where the exact value is known and as long as no human error is made whilst calculating these equations the answer will be exactly as stated. In science and nature however your statement is true because it is hard to tell the precise value of anything and most scientific calculations require the answer to be rounded in order to get a almost correct answer because the exact values cannot be calculated. For example if a scientist wanted to find out how many magnesium particles where lost in smoke when combusted the answer would be a round about guess because he/she could not count his number they would have to calculate it. This leads to problems such as how many particles where there in the first place and how many are there after combustion and what exact temperature was the heat. However if the question was mathematical 23-?=16 (23 symbolising mass of magnesium, ? symbolising smoke and 16 symbolising mass after combustion) because the known values are whole the missing number can be found equaling exactly 7. 
3923In maths almost any answer can be found but you are right when talking about scientific questions.
3924
3925
3926big pile of poo
3927#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/08 15:21
3928And what do you mean by Of what is obviously not to be known?
3929
3930
3931bluestorm
3932#EuSWoPRd 2008/09/09 07:38
3933big pile of poo, you are the smartest person I have ever met...
3934
3935Sand Master (LG)
3936#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/09 09:47
3937Of course, 2 cannot really exist, because no object has the same mass, there is always an irrational number creating fractions uncomprehendable to humanity, and all objects being relative to each other, 2 will vary, completely opposing the stability of the number as compared to the infinit sets of irrational numbers.
3938
3939So if 2 cannot exist, 2+2=4 cannot exist because 2 and 2 are actually different numbers, thus 4 is a useless marker for imaginary numbers, and if we counted stable numbers, which there aren't any, we would never reach it anyways.
3940
3941
3942Torture King
3943#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/09 14:01
3944i said it is not to be known, because it is completly immpossible to know EVERYTHING about one certain subject.
3945
3946
3947Torture King
3948#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/09 14:03
3949(anime moment) MY POINT EXACTLY sand master-san!!!!! 8 D=
3950................>o=
3951
3952
3953big pile of poo
3954#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/09 15:33
3955ye sand master like I said that rule applies when you are using it in reality. But when you are using mathematics it does not. The mathematical series is a series that someone created inside thier head and it was created as a complete series where all numbers are absolute and unless otherwise indicated are precisely known. For example if someone said to you how many fingers am I holding up and they held up one finger, you would say one finger. That is because you have used this mathematical series to determine the answer. Unless they had part of thier finger cut off there would be no way around the fact that they are holding up one finger. The same goes for the numbers. It is known that 2=2 because that is the absolute that it has been given. If the question was 2.45+5.86 they are still absolute numbers and because there is no remainder or indication that there is more to the numbers than is written down we can determine a precise answer. However in reality this can still apply although not as commonly. Using another example if you were at a zoo and there were three elephants inside an enclosure you would count them as three elephants regardless of thier mass or volume. You have given an absolute number to an amount that cannot be comprimised. Even if the elephants did weigh different amounts or some were bulkier than others you would not then use that mass to determine a correct number of elephant because there is no way there can be 0.678 or some other ridiculous number of an elephant. If the elephant had been ripped into two and died you could not count these halves as 0.5 of an elephant because then they would both be viewed as corpses and again you cannot regardless of mass say that there is 1.4 or 0.89 of a corpse because it is an abolute given regardless of mass. 
3956It is usually in science that precise answers are not known but it is incorrect to assume that all answers are not known
3957
3958
3959cuuldude
3960#RuNN9Kly 2008/09/10 00:11
3961why dont we all just talk about the Large Hadron Collider that is going to be stwitched on for the first time tomorrow!
3962
3963(by the way, it is not going to creat a black hole and end the earth)
3964
3965
3966big pile of poo
3967#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/10 00:22
3968No we are off that subject now. No-one cares anymore apart from the idiots who think it will cause a black hole.
3969And there is actually a chance that it could cause a sub-atomic expolosion and end the earth but that will not happen
3970
3971
3972Sand Master (LG)
3973#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/10 09:35
3974That is because we have achieved only a three dimaensional view of mathematics. All mathematics can be broken into a liniar, 1D structure (an equation, like 1+1, acts upon a line). As we move forward, we see that 2D can be placed on a graph, where we start getting a view for objects.
3975
3976By the third dimension, we are able to measure any unreal object in accordance to the rules which it applies to.
3977
3978By 4D mathematics, we get to infinite points, infinitesimal objects, and limits we cannot (or can!) pass in 3D math.
3979
3980All reality exists in a MINIMUM dimension of 4D. Obviously, we have infinite dimensions applied to the space we live in, but we cannot truly see such until we can graphically comprehend it.
3981
3982Which noone can do...
3983
3984
3985big pile of poo
3986#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/11 03:52
3987You are now starting to speak rubbish Sand Master. no matter what dimension you are equalling an equation in the results will be the same. 2=2 and 1=1 and the same goes for every number possible. When we get a number with a recurring in it, like when we divide 1 by 3 then there is infinite amounts of numbers in that number and we do not know what different numbers there are beyond the capabilities of whatever it is we are using to calculate the sum. It is then fair to say that these numbers are not known and unless we can view these numbers infinitely then they cannot be known fully, However taking 2 as my example, 2 is a number that stops at a single digit and there is nothing extra beyond he capabilities of anything. This is not because this is how much 2 has been calculated as, this is because that value is the absolute that it has been given. When the first guy to event maths came up with a simple series of 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 in order to count his crops or whatever, that is the value that he gave the number 2 and every other number he came up with. Other people then came in and invented decimal numbers and stuff like that. Then we got complicated and Pythagoras got involved. Today we have a whole range of maths but no matter how much calculating you do you will not be able to compromise the value of any number because those numbers are the exact value that they are. 
3988
3989
3990Sand Master (LG)
3991#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/11 07:42
3992PART I OF II
3993
3994Then you don't understand.
3995
3996When I say the next dimension in mathematics and reality proves that a certain aspect is infinite, I mean this:
3997
3998You have a cube.
3999In 1D reality, you see a line, and for a finite space, there is a blotch of green on the line. This represents Cube in a single dimensional view.
4000Cube is, let's say: 2
4001In 2D reality, you see a square of different sizes, depending of the angle of the plane. That is Cube.
4002Cube is now 2*2
4003In 3D, Cube is, well, a cube. It now lookas to us as we would see it with our eyes.
4004Cube is 2*2*2
4005Now, all this time, cube had the same volume, but we looked at it in a different way. Cube was always 2*2*2, but in 1D mathematics, cube was 2.
4006What happened to the other 2's? Cube had a width and volume of a number that must be compatible with all other numbers no matter what dimension.
4007Does this mean that Cube was 2*1*1 in 1D? Not at all.
4008Cube's side did not exist in such a dimension, despite the existence in reality.
4009This means that Cube had a volume of 2*0*0 during the 1D phase.
4010But could this be true? Anything times 0 would be 0 no matter WHAT dimension!
4011This is where everything falls apart.
4012
4013
4014Sand Master (LG)
4015#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/11 07:43
4016PART II OF II
4017
4018If you place a 3D object on, not in a 2D plane, and you lived on this plane, you would consider what we call 2 to be an inifnite number uncomprehendable to your flat mind.
4019This is what patches everything up again: Because 0 and infinity have links and intersecting properties, 0 acts as 0.0_1 (infinitesimal). This means that despite not comprehending such things, our cube actually acted as a *divide-by-zero* object, an uncomprehendable thing that we take for granted being 3D.
4020What happens if we were too see it in 4D? It would look like a square to us, according to comprehension of 4D objects, it would have a volume of 2*2*2*2, and, in our cade, 2*2*2*0.0_1.
4021This means that if we were to view a thing in 4D, we would lose comprehension of basic 3D mathematics.
4022This is why we're scared of dividing by zero.
4023
4024
4025Torture King
4026#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/11 08:07
4027for those who cannot tell (or understand the two comments below this one): sand master is talking about the actual 2, while "bpop" is talking about the original theory of 2. 
4028
4029
4030Torture King
4031#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/11 12:05
4032was.. that a... poorly played comeback... ?
4033
4034interesting math subject: find the square root of 36, now find the sqaure root of -36! this is an example of the negative-positive paradox, a negative number is without a doubt a perfect mirror of the positive form. Except that negative numbers cant have square roots by current standards!
4035
4036
4037big pile of poo
4038#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/11 15:00
4039Part 1 of 2
4040Torture King I am not talking about the original thoeory of 2. I am talking about how the number 2 works today.
4041
4042And Sandmater;
4043You cannot have a cube in a 1d, or 2d dimension. If you took a cube and put it in a 2d dimension you would only see one side of it and the others do no longer exist. This is not because we cannot see them it is because it is impossible for them to exist. Once you do place it in such a dimension it is no longer a cube it is a square. A square and a cube are two different shapes and so need two different calculations of volume. The cube has 2x2x2 and the square has 2x2. This is not because you have taken away one of the 2s this is because you have started another calculation. Once that square or cube has been place in a 1d environment you have to start a new calculation because it is a line and another comletely different shape. You cannot calculate a cube in a 2d or 1d dimension because it would not fit and it would become a completely different shape .
4044
4045
4046big pile of poo
4047#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/11 15:00
4048Part 2 of 2
4049And the subject of 4d you will have to explain that to me a little more because I have not heard of it nor do I believe that 4d can exist because we live in a 3d world. In our reality 1d is the movement foward and back, 2d is side to side, 3d is up and down, and if there were a 4d it would be time travel which is not possible (even when traveling at speed of light) so can 4d be possible in any other reality?
4050And you do realise that you have just made a major conradiction against yourself. Earlier you were agreeing with Torture King that no question can be fully known and yet you have just clearly stated that that anything times 0 is 0. How about if I turn that around (despite agreeing with it) and said that that is not true, 0 cannot equal 0 because we do not yet know the full value of 0. You would think that that was idiotic wouldn't you and you would probably post that thought. However how can you be claiming that until we reach the 4d capabilities there is no way of knowing the real value of anything. 0=0 because it has no value. Therefore 2 has the value of being 2 whole numbers away from 0 and can apply as the second interval in a measurement, or the second item to be counted when in a group of similar items, or whatever you want it to be. The point is there is no way of comprimising the value of two because that one word has been assigned to a specific value and if it does get comprimised it is no longer known as 2.
4051
4052
4053Sand Master (LG)
4054#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/12 08:03
4055If we live in a 3D world, why should 2d exist? It does, and so does 4D.
4056
4057I applied that according to our current knowledge, it remains correct.
4058
4059You need to reread the comment, or I need to rewrite my point.
4060
4061
4062Torture King
4063#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/12 16:13
40644-d+ adds more depth and 2-d - removes depth, both without sacrificing mass or volume, i thought this was already agreed upon. i still think that the same point is trying to be made on both sides.
4065
4066
4067Sand master
4068#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/13 07:58
4069I managed to log in again.
4070
4071What do you mean by proving the same thing, Torture King?
4072
4073
4074b0mb
4075#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/13 08:33
40764-d is beyond human comprehension usually because of we see everything in 3d. if we could see time as well as length, width, and height we would perceive reality differently. with that difference we MIGHT be able to use higher dimensional math, but as it is its nearly impossible for most human minds to comprehend reality as it might e with another dimension. if we had 4d, we'd look for 5d. an so forth. we all want more than we can know, so we get it. but we don't perceive it. 4d isn't impossible bu IS more than we can perceive. it might even be the key to wormhole theory.
4077
4078
4079Sand Master (LG)
4080#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/14 06:58
4081For the LAST TIME, 4D is NOT TIME! Time is a stationary aspect of reality which cannot be controlled or accurately measured! If 4D was time, we could travel BACK in time, and Side-by-side in time! If that were true, we would be overrrun by future objects, and have litterally no space to live!
4082
4083Also, why 3 dimensions of space, and suddenly a dimension of time is thrown in!? Dimensions are a form of SPACE, not TIME. We can measure space, move it, control it in accordance to he limits of our dimension, but TIME IS UNCHANGEABLE!
4084
4085
4086Torture King
4087#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/14 09:16
4088change time, and someone could end up dead centuries before they were born.
4089
4090
4091b0mb
4092#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/14 10:58
4093exactly. change time, and reality might very well cease to exist before we knew that is COULD exist. the universe likely would never be if we could travel through time, as SOMEONE would inadvertently wipe it out in an experiment.
4094
4095
4096Sand Master (LG)
4097#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/14 12:19
4098That's the SINGLE SOLITARY FLAW IN MY NTIRE THEORY!
4099
4100A section of my theiry proves that EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE. If time is relative, ALL THINGS IN AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF TIMES WILL CEASE TO EXIST FOR UNKNOWN REASONS.
4101
4102I have yet to find a way around that before I get to college.
4103
4104
4105Torture King
4106#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/14 14:22
4107You're going to publish that in a university, and embarris (forgot how to spell that) all the professors arn't you? I know i would. 
4108(off topic, in genitics)
4109Technically it is possible to die before your parents are born. Buddha was on to something when he suggested reincarnation. there are only 4 building blocks that decide what happens to a person threw-out there life. 4 times (id rather not get that medical textbook out). it would not take much for the same person to die twice of the same heriditary disease.
4110I simply wanted to say that so that someone else would not come along and make me regret i did not. 
4111
4112the last comment was in agreement to sand master, not in opposal. i am highly supprised bomb was able to make it into evidance for his/her own (well not really, science is based on proving others wrong for personal glorification.
4113
4114
4115Sand Master (LG)
4116#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/14 23:02
4117So are you agreeing with me or with B0mb?
4118
4119
4120Torture King
4121#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/15 09:02
4122good question. good answer?
4123
4124
4125Torture King
4126#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/15 09:32
4127nuetral on both, i dont think that time can be manipulated, but i do think it is measurable.
4128
4129
4130big pile of poo
4131#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/16 00:50
4132Personally I don't think that changing time is possible. Even if you did get a time machine and go back in time which is not possible but if it did happen then the changes they made would already of happened before they went back if you know what I mean. I know some people would disagree and say that those changes could not happen before the future time machine was invented but I disagee with that and feel that if any changes will be made to the past in the future then we would of already experienced that therefore making changing time impossible.
4133
4134
4135lafe
4136#6Is7T1DH 2008/09/16 06:27
4137SPEACKING OF TIME,
4138did you know that the human brain is the closest thing to a 4d object, for 2 reasons. reason A. the human brain has the greatest surface aria of any solid. B., the brain is the only known object that can perceive time.
4139oh and sorry for time travel non believers,
4140the faster the speed of an object the slower time travels for it. it is an INCREDIBLY small amount of difference,
4141they flew a incredibly precise clock in a uber sonic jet, and one on ground, both set to the same time. less time had passed for the plane born clock. if you dont believe me look up the space twin paradox, or read the universe in a nutshell by steven hawking
4142
4143
4144lafe
4145#6Is7T1DH 2008/09/16 06:30
4146oh and about things being divided by ZERO, being unsolvable, there's a exception, 0/0=0 think about it.
4147
4148
4149Sand master
4150#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/16 07:28
4151Okay, you were wrong with the 0 thing, the time travel thing, and the brain thing.
4152
4153Percieving time doesn't mke you 4D, time isn't even 4D. It is a freaking line. Get that in your heads.
4154
4155If 1*0=0, than 0/0=1. Althought you are partially correct, you must understand that 0 is, though possible, uncomprehendable.
4156
4157Moving faster than something may make it ACT slower, but you wil not, is say, will NOT go back in time.
4158
4159And if anyone mentions the speed of light...
4160
4161
4162Sand master
4163#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/16 07:29
4164I need to look in the planes, but there cannot be any ecxeption.
4165
4166
4167Torture King
4168#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/16 10:44
4169FUNNY EQUATION!: square root of -1 * ((infinty/0)/pi)
4170
4171(this equation should not be attempted by anything, at any time. breaking said rule will crash computers,calculators, and bionic brains, as well as render organic intelligences insane.YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)
4172
4173
4174Scottish cheese
4175#Fi4GfZBH 2008/09/17 00:12
4176Time travel is possible but it is not as we know it. If an object traveled at the speed of light away from the Earth then from the objects point of view the Earth would be frozen in time because you are travelling at the same speed as the light that left the Earth with you. If you traveled at twice the speed of light then time would go backwards from your point of view and seconds would be the same amount of time however it would be going backwards. You would not be able to manipulate time but you would be manipulating your view of it
4177
4178
4179lafe
4180#6Is7T1DH 2008/09/17 05:06
4181anything divided by zero, other than zero = infinity, think about it, zero just goes into it infinate times, cause it will never fit, 3/0 is just saying how many times 0 goes into two.
4182take it from a game coder. i know my math
4183
4184
4185lafe
4186#6Is7T1DH 2008/09/17 05:07
4187the speed of light has already been broken, google it and find out!
4188
4189
4190Sand master
4191#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/17 05:07
4192But SOME people are too stupid to understand that.
4193That was what I was saying this whole time! Thank you, Scottish Cheese!
4194
4195I updated the Debate agtain, for anyone who want's the whole, unfiltered Debate, with sections lost to time, possibly never seen again, email me at vinster60@gmail.com!
4196
4197CONGATS DEBATERS! WE HAVE DEBATED SO LONG, THAT THE DEBATE GOES DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BOARD! THAT'S RIGHT! THE ENTIRE BOARD IS NOW CONSITING MAINLY OF THIS DEBATE!
4198
4199
4200footballking
4201#0UPQMwwU 2008/09/17 09:33
4202The world shall end in 2012
4203
4204
4205big pile of poo
4206#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/17 15:25
4207Now we need a new topic to talk about. Anyone got any ideas?
4208Maybe the theory of evolution?
4209or the existancce of aliens?
4210
4211
4212Torture King
4213#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/17 16:00
4214a non-religous discussion on life?
4215such as the flaws of spontanious genaration that was mistakenly observed by Plato. evolution is pretty much throughly thought out by now, so the begining is far more sought after.
4216
4217
4218Torture King
4219#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/17 16:07
4220Fact: Plato came up with spontanious genaration when he observed that in a sunlit granary, rats would come up from the grain. (he never once considered that they may have snuck in through the area where the sun was shining.) and further deduced that maggots rose from carcasses, and forests from mountains, deer from forests and so forth. which is why thousands of years later, noone bothered to consider the idea of extinction.
4221
4222
4223Sand Master (LG)
4224#ajqyAR5e 2008/09/18 02:00
4225That is what I have said previously. Because you have a finite mind, the tests you run are limited, and the conclusion will never be proven to be true. As far as we know, only SOME of the rats have babies, and we happen to have seen ONLY rats who have babies.
4226
4227We could be COMPLETELY wrong about EVERYTHING.
4228
4229
4230big pile of poo
4231#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/18 15:20
4232how do you know that our mind is finite? Scientists say that we only use 2 percent of our brain capacity in our lifetimes and that number is dropping with every new test that they do. What if we could use the rest of our brain all at once? If we can store, recount, and compare all of the events in our and other people's lives and still only have used less than 2 percent when we are dead and buried then how do we know that using the full capacity of our brains would give is infinite learning capacity and in turn an infinite mind. 
4233You think of everything that has happened to you so far and try and imagine it all stored on a computer. All your thought, everything you have seen and heard, everything you have had to remeber like a friend's phone number or something from a a lesson at school. Is it possible for any computer to store that much information? And that is when we are using a mere 2 percent of our brain!
4234
4235
4236Sand Master (LG)
4237#EJNbMZv4 2008/09/18 19:24
4238But if that 2 precent is measurable, that means we're just a computer 50 times more powerful than what we use of it, which, despite being far more powerful thanany other computer in the world, IS finite.
4239
4240Also, when people say how we might be able to build a machine that will surpass us in intelligenc. That could actually be untrue. Godel (with 2 dots over the 'o') stated that no computer can create a program beyond the computer's own abilities. This means we might never be able to teach a 'machine brain' what we know because we DON'T KNOW THIS STUFF OURSELVES.
4241
4242But all in all, the brain is still finite and measurable.
4243
4244
4245lhc science
4246#22WGF43A 2008/09/19 02:32
4247i am wondering if yuo reach speed of light yuo travel in time but then light is traveling in time too isn't it?
4248PS sorry for bad english *blush*
4249
4250
4251Sand Master (LG)
4252#ajqyAR5e 2008/09/19 05:17
4253No, you don't travel in time.
4254
4255
4256lafec
4257#fgTakyGi 2008/09/19 05:48
4258STUPED!!! I WRITE VIDIO GAMES!!!
4259PS.. ALIEN LIFE HAS 2 BE OUT THERE.
4260
4261my argument,
4262
4263if we live in a infinate universe, then every thing we can conceve, and everything we cant, should be out there.
4264
4265
4266lafec
4267#fgTakyGi 2008/09/19 05:50
4268(my other name is normal lafe)
4269the 2% theroy, was disproved 1 year ago.
4270
4271
4272Sand master
4273#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/19 07:24
4274.....
4275
4276What?
4277
4278
4279Torture King
4280#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/19 11:06
4281technically, your always traveling threw time, forward never back. if you were to travel back or stop, you would become 1. immortal, and 2. unable to move.
4282
4283
4284Torture King
4285#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/19 11:10
4286calling names does not support your theory in any way.
4287it is a tactic that is mainly used by various religous communitys in order to make there own dogmas seem valid to the genarally ignorant public.
4288
4289
4290Akadra
4291#XXFOQcc0 2008/09/19 23:05
4292Come on guys, this is just a stupid pixelgame, don't go and argue about things like time-travelling and alien life on a comment-board of a game! Go to some chatroom for that.
4293
4294
4295lafe
4296#6Is7T1DH 2008/09/20 04:58
4297oh, i wasen calling names, i thought sand master was refering to me as stuped.
4298i was reffering to this, 
4299
4300ps. i am not religos
4301"But SOME people are too stupid to understand that.
4302That was what I was saying this whole time! Thank you, Scottish Cheese!
4303
4304I updated the Debate agtain, for anyone who want's the whole, unfiltered Debate, with sections lost to time, possibly never seen again, email me at vinster60@gmail.com!
4305
4306CONGATS DEBATERS! WE HAVE DEBATED SO LONG, THAT THE DEBATE GOES DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BOARD! THAT'S RIGHT! THE ENTIRE BOARD IS NOW CONSITING MAINLY OF THIS DEBATE!"
4307
4308
4309lafe
4310#6Is7T1DH 2008/09/20 04:59
4311sorry i was repliying 2 this,
4312not relgion.
4313
4314But SOME people are too stupid to understand that.
4315That was what I was saying this whole time! Thank you, Scottish Cheese!
4316
4317I updated the Debate agtain, for anyone who want's the whole, unfiltered Debate, with sections lost to time, possibly never seen again, email me at vinster60@gmail.com!
4318
4319CONGATS DEBATERS! WE HAVE DEBATED SO LONG, THAT THE DEBATE GOES DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BOARD! THAT'S RIGHT! THE ENTIRE BOARD IS NOW CONSITING MAINLY OF THIS DEBATE!
4320
4321
4322Torture King
4323#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/20 05:35
4324that would be sand masters e mail. taking credit is also frowed upon by intelligent society
4325
4326
4327big pile of poo
4328#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/20 05:42
4329@ Akadra
4330If you think that this is a stupid pixel game then why are you complaining about us "ruining" the comments. If you hate the game so much then leave the comments board and stop trying to take away our freedom of speech.
4331
4332@ Sand master 
4333If we had more than the 2 percent then the total amount of processing power would not increase in a regular power. For example if the percent doubled we would not have double brain power but the extra percent would work with the original percent to create even more power. The more percentage we recieve the higher the multiplication factor. Let's say the two percent was sybolised as A and B. The power avaible would be A, B, and AB. 
4334However if we recieved two percent more symbolised by C and D we would have more combinations. 
4335A, B, C, D, AB, AC, AD, BC, BD, CD, ABC, BCD, ACD, ABD, and ABCD.
4336I've probably missed some combinations out there but as you can see the percentage works together rather than seperatly like a computer. There are a lot more than 2 storage spaces in 2 percent of a brain so the knowlege and understanding we could recieve if we used all of the brain could be infinite.
4337
4338
4339Torture King
4340#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/20 13:18
4341infinity cant be divided though because no what number you have, it can always be doubled, or divided by 2. so regardless of what equation you cook up the brain is finite.
4342
4343
4344big pile of poo
4345#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/20 15:45
4346you don't know that because your brain capacity is finite and everyone else's brain power is finite including mine. We have no understanding of the value of infinite and I don't think anyone ever is going to. However there could be an infite amount of learning, remembering, processing, and recalling capabilities when the brain is working at it's full potential.
4347
4348For anyone religious out there in the bible it says that God created us in his image. This was not a literal image but he gave us the emotions and other things that he could have. He created Adam and Eve in his image and seeing as he has infinite capacity who's to say he didn't give Adam and Eve infinite capacity. When they disobeyed him and left him they began to decay and eventually died because of the lack of protection they recieved from God. Thier bodys and minds became weaker and all of thier capabilities began to disintergrate. This would of included thier infinite brain capacity.
4349
4350I am religious but I am not going to hide behind the bible to get my point across. Just read what I put at the top of the post if you think that is what I am doing
4351
4352
4353b0mb
4354#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/20 21:54
4355i believe that our capacity for learning(and anything else we happen to be using the brain for at the time) is very much finite, but 2% is very much different with different people. if we could use a measly 3 percent of our brain then human thought would be different, as everyone would be at a massively different intellectual level. less war (probably) deadlier weapons (likely), more food, better health care, less viruses, more birth control......a slight increase in the amount of the mind being used by humanity would give us a massive amount of possibilities. still finite though. until it is found otherwise, i will believe that everything (yes, even space, it'll just curve around like the earth does) is finite.
4356
4357and big pile of poo, my only problems with the adam and eve thing are that 1)science has proven otherwise(multiple distinct genetic strains) although that could be seen as god adding new blood to the mix, and 2) if they were created in gods image, why were they able to do wrong? the forbidden fruit being taken and them being banished from Eden? 
4358god must be flawed, for his perfect creation was flawed.
4359i really hope NOT to spark a theological debate off this, and i MAY have misunderstood what you were getting at(very much possible for all people, at any time). i just don't have enough time to contribute often, so I'm going to miss something in reading. so pardon anything that may be found offensive. it wasn't meant to be, and i hope i didn't go off topic. 
4360
4361
4362Sand master
4363#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/20 22:18
4364Maybe your 'God' is fallible, and, being imperfect, cannot create something more perfect than Himself.
4365Not to mention that if he WAS perfect, he would not be able to create anything greater than Himself, proving he has lmitations to His abilities, proving that He IS imperfect, whether he exists or not!
4366And even if he COULD make anything, why would He make Adam and Eve flawed enough to take the apple. or the snake treacherous enough to convinve Eve to do so? Why would He not just make us perfect in the beggining? It won't be to learn to cope with our mistakes or something like that, because we won't HAVE any mistakes, and He could give us the knowlegde in the first place.
4367Either He has no common sense, or He made a mistake. Either way, He is imperfect.
4368Not to mention that God is incompatible with almost all things in nature that we have dicovered, and have proven correct (now, I DID say that we could be wrohg about EVERYTHING, but this is based on the assumption that we have CURRENTLY seen it as true).
4369
4370Please e-mail me at vinster60@gmail.com for the full debate.
4371
4372
4373b0mb
4374#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/20 22:21
4375there is still potential for a "god figure to exist of course. a more advanced being than ourselves, with earth being the petri dish. doesn't seem to likely that he'd care otherwise. no one likes being thought of as a science experiment though, so...you can forget this if ya want to lol
4376
4377
4378Sand master
4379#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/21 04:24
4380Well, it can't be a God figure because Gods are considered omnipotent, and according to everything I said previously, that would mean he is not omnipotent, and, therefore, not God-like.
4381
4382
4383Torture King
4384#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/21 15:18
4385that would only be the christian god though, if you consider polytheism, then it makes more sense if they were a race. "god helps those who help themselves" sounds like the basics of taking a chance if you replace "god" with "luck". a luck god in short, it would also explain why cultures around the world came up with polytheism almost simutainiously. Another point, have you ever noticed that Satan promises everything you want if you choose him as your prinsible figure of worship? i say that this would make him the opposite of god (also known as Jehova) in that you can ethier work hard and hope for the best or use a get-rich-quick scheme to acheve your goals.
4386
4387I have held this theological assumption for quite some time and it would not be the first time someone called me a heritic. SO SMITE AWAY! I DONT CARE!
4388
4389
4390Torture King
4391#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/21 15:22
4392Also, the monotheist God cant be omnipotent, due to the various paradoxes associated with such. but the polytheist god race is much easier to be omnipotent for when a being has limits, there tends to be a cycle of which allows all to be stronger than the last: fire burns wood > wood floats on water> water puts out fire...
4393
4394
4395big pile of poo
4396#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/21 20:49
4397Torture King
4398I appreciate you having an opinion but the opposite of God is not Jehova. Jehova is Gods name hence why jehova's witnesses are called such. Even in bible's that belong to other strands of christendom have this evidence in them
4399
4400Sand master and bomb
4401Adam and Eve were not created with free will they were created with free will. That is why they chose to take the fruit after Satan decieved them. Satan did this because he too was created with free will. If we were not given this free will then we would be the same as robots and would have no meaning to life. God is perfect and knows everything because he created everything and understands everything he made in a way that no-one else does. He has infinite knowledge and infinite capabilities. The only capability he doesn't posess is the ability to be modest. This is because the definition of modesty is to know your limitations and he has none. He cannot create anything greater than himself becaause there is no way anything can be greater than himself but if he wanted to he could create something equal to himself. That is why he created Jesus. The only difference between God and Jesus is that Jesus had a begining and God didn't.
4402
4403There is also no evidence to suggest that God doesn't exist and in fact there is evidence to suggest otherwise.
4404
4405I thank you bomb for the respect you have shown to my beliefs however Adam and Eve were not created flawed they were created perfect. The only reason they disobeyed God was because of the free will of three personalities. Without that free will yes we would all be perfect now but we would not have the ability to think, decide, and live the way we do and the bible promises of a time when a perfect Earth would be restored and all of those faithful to him will be made perfect too.
4406
4407
4408big pile of poo
4409#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/21 20:51
4410sorry I meant "Adam and Eve were not created with flaws they were created with free will" at the begining of my second paragraph.
4411Feel free to call me a retard and slap me many times across the face.
4412
4413
4414Sand master
4415#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/21 21:24
4416But free will IS, in the short run, a flaw. Look at the world and tell me you don't see corruption, murder, war, crime, even evil. I mean nobody can really say what an evil person is, but there IS someone horrible enough to be such in eeryone's eyes!
4417
4418If free will has done this, I might give to be a robot any day.
4419
4420Now, I was talking about the Christian God because I never saw anyone but Atheists and generally Christians. I never said their is no God, I only said that if there was a God, he would be imperfect, meaning there COULD BE, no, there IS a superior being!
4421
4422
4423Kyoto
4424#GrTzd11r 2008/09/21 23:48
4425But what is free will with are govements of today
4426
4427
4428kyoto
4429#GrTzd11r 2008/09/22 00:02
4430Adam represented man(a group of Cells) god told them that if they'd to meant there life's would change to the bad so it did like war for example. And there own free will would be taken away from them (the govement) And when jesus and Muhammad came. god tried to 
4431fix everthing but he failed meny years later a relgion was born called shinto (Adam represented man(a group of Cells) god told them that if they'd to meant there life's would change to the bad so it did like war for example. And there own free will would be taken away from them (the govement) And when jesus and Muhammad came god tried to 
44324 Adam represented man(a group of Cells) god told them that if they'd to meant there life's would change to the bad so it did like war for example. And there own free will would be taken away from them (the govement) And when jesus and Muhammad came god tried to 
4433make everyone better but he failed when the romands killed jesus
4434
4435
4436big pile of poo
4437#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/22 00:34
4438Part 1
4439God did not fail when Jesus was killed. Jesus was killed for a reason. If any of you actually did any research you would find that these things that you are saying are wrong and coming to your own conclusions about things when it is written down ready for you to read already.
4440
4441Free will is what seperates us from objects. Without free will we would not experience life for ourselves but allow life to experience us. Something that happens to objects. If Adam and Eve had used thier free will and power of judgement correctly then they and all of us today would be feeling the benefits of God's protection. There would be no evil, or war, or anything else that makes our lives so difficult. But all of this evil has not just happened. Satan was responsible for the first sin and through that first sin we became flawed through inheritance. Satan is responsible for making Adam and Eve flawed because he introduced them to the lie and therefore through them out of perfection and into imperfection. He is still working today and that is why conditions today are as they are. I haven't been around for long but I can tell that the world is getting worse and if I didn't have the hope that I have then I would very quickly lose hope in living a meaningful and secure life. Satan has been subtlely introducing more and more evil things into the world and it has got to a point were he hardly has any work to do because he has flawed the design of most men to a point where they are doing what he is doing for him. No-one can deny the fact that the world has gone worse. However the world would not of gone worse if Satan had not corrupted the flawless design of Adam and Eve. If God created humans in a perfect way and the universe in a perfect way and all the animals in a perfect way how can he not be perfect?
4442
4443
4444big pile of poo
4445#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/22 00:35
4446Part 2
4447And Sand master if you really want to live life wothout free will then try this for me. When you wake up in the morning make sure you are up at 8:00 sharp. Then get your breakfast at 8:10. After finishing your breakfast at 8:15 go and get yourself clean and brush your teeth. From 8:20 to 12:00 you must go around the house and clean up. Then spend 10 minutes sitting and resting. Eat a dinnier consiting of a small sandwich with an apple and after finishing at 12:20 go and have a 1 hour nap. 1:20 is time for you to have a toilet break and clean up outside which will take you precisely 3 hours.For the rest of the day you must practise your reading and writing skills until you go to sleep at 9:00. During all of this time you are not allowed any thought or conversation.
4448
4449Now imagine living the rest of your life like that. That is a life wothout free will. Would you like to live like that for the rest of your life even without war and evil (something that we will not have to tolerate for long).
4450
4451
4452Sand master
4453#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/22 01:01
4454Well, if youi had no free will, you wouldn't bother thinking about how awful it is, and you can do whatever you were supposed to without being unhappy.
4455
4456
4457kyoto0151
4458#qQvKjM4z 2008/09/22 01:08
4459u leave me without words but way arnt we aloud to no about seacret docs
4460
4461
4462kyoto0151
4463#qQvKjM4z 2008/09/22 01:22
4464have you ever heard of the string thoery
4465
4466and i want to no your voice of 9/11
4467
4468
4469big pile of poo
4470#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/22 02:05
4471But sand master thinking about it now, would you rather live like I just explained or live with free will?
4472
4473
4474Scottish cheese
4475#Fi4GfZBH 2008/09/22 05:11
4476And youre a big fat jerk who obviously is a nerd seeing as if he wasnt he wouldnt be trying to make a point of it
4477
4478
4479Sand master
4480#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/22 07:19
4481Well now, if I had no free will I would always be happy, and I wouldn't be able to think of a more just alternative.
4482
4483There are two major forces: freedom and happiness; You cannot achieve pure freedom without crushing someone's happiness, and you cannot achieve pure happiness without crushing someone's freedom.
4484
4485
4486big pile of poo
4487#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/22 15:46
4488Are you going to answer my question though. Do you find free will or living life as a robot more appealing?
4489
4490
4491Torture King
4492#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/22 16:23
4493free will bad? im sprry but how would anything get done without oppinions, emotions, or creativity? we would still be living as nomads.
4494
4495
4496Sand Master (LG)
4497#6BskH1YW 2008/09/23 01:00
4498If you God existed, he could have given us the knowledge and superiority, and we won't have to bother think ing about how free will benefits us because we already have such benefits!
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4501kyoto
4502#pgEfJ1A5 2008/09/23 02:55
4503Sand Master do you bleive the world is going to change 2012 dec12 NOT END!!!
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4506kyoto
4507#pgEfJ1A5 2008/09/23 02:57
4508Note to ALL that not a nerd guy is alife and he was betending to be over people
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4511lafe
4512#6Is7T1DH 2008/09/23 07:43
4513big pile of poo has a correct idea of the human brain, neurons compute by communicating in pairs, and the net computation is what is used, its called a neural net, we now have artificial ones.
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4515
4516Sand master
4517#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/23 09:30
4518And you guys said we aren't programmed robots.
4519
4520
4521big pile of poo
4522#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/23 14:57
4523We arent programmed robots. The reason why we arent programmed robots is because of this free will. It is one of a few things that seperates us from that class. That's what I have been saying all along.
4524If we didn't have free will we would not be happier for it. Losing free will would take away our ability to experience emotions. So if we were living our lives without free will we would not be happy, sad, exited, or anything that we can do now. We would have no creativity meaning no advances in technology and no way of finding out cures for diseases like we have now. We would be living in an endless era were nothing would ever change unless some other natural thing disturbed our lifestyle. e.g. meteor or rise in predator population. We would also not be able to have friendships or experience love. You would be alone in the world with no friends or close family to communicate or have fun with. And you would not be happy for this lifestyle, or sad about it. You would not be able to have any opinion about this lifestyle or anything else for that matter. 
4525No you take into account everything that I and others have said and you answer me honestly and seriously. 
4526Is free will a flaw of mankind?
4527Then ask yourself this question.
4528Is it possible for our free will, emotions, and capabilities to come about by mere chance or was there a creator involved?
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4530
4531kyoto
4532#aOn2Esyr 2008/09/23 16:07
4533the earth would be more logic if free will wasnt here
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4536Torture King
4537#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/23 16:50
4538good and bad should not be decided by a race who has not determined the meaning to the words. we have not Ex: Attilia The Hun (sinle-handedly united the Atheist and Pagan barbaric tribes to topple Christian Rome)is widly thought to have been evil, yet present day Hungery, Germany, and Switzerland beg to differ, as the name "Attilia" has become quite common in the areas.
4539
4540
4541Torture King
4542#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/23 16:56
4543I myself see no meaning to the words, even my username is proof of that. I am not the King of Torturing, But the King who realised that he likle all other motals shall be Tortured. Plus I dont like having a number after my name, it makes me feel like a clone, and the only way I could possibly find a name with no number was to pick one that noone else would think of. Sheeple have no creativity.
4544
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4546Sand Master (LG)
4547#JKcyhqCC 2008/09/24 02:43
4548Well, we can choose our decisions so long as they are WITHIN the initial programming of the brain, allowing us to learn according to what we have experienced. You cannot comprehend a new sense because you never thought of it. Even if you did, it is probably some juimble of things you know from past experiences, and is considered relatively invalid.
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4551Akadra
4552#XXFOQcc0 2008/09/24 04:10
4553I don't hate this game, all i am saying, my dear big pile of poo, is that this is just a plain pixel game! Why complain to eachother about everything and nothing if you can play the game and complain about THAT. There are a hell of a lot more intelligent people on other scientific forums with wich you could chat way better than here.
4554
4555PS: It's my freedom to say that you guys are debating on a comment-page of a pixelgame.
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4558lafe
4559#6Is7T1DH 2008/09/24 04:21
4560we are programed robots, SELF PROGRAMED ROBOTS
4561the cells can cause there own stimuli, so the brain can influence its self, too a degree.
4562i actually made a virtual neural net program last month, if anyone wants i can put it on yoyo games.com where my
4563other games are. 
4564i chose lafe as a name because lafe actualy is my name.
4565and lafe c because this name cant upload, only post.
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4568Sand master
4569#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/24 07:20
4570Well, we enjoy debating HERE, so we'll stay.
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4574#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/24 10:37
4575Akadra: a serious discussion, no matter where it is, is allowed, as we (apparently, by the 'rights' given by the government) are allowed to speak our minds. I'm not poking at you,specifically, but everyone trying to suppress our 'rights' (although governments do it every day.)
4576
4577unfortunately, free will is very much subdued. we have some will, but we can't often exercise it without crushing someone else's will. our will is crushed by the government, which is in turn crushed by the impossible workload, as we crush those at 'lower' stations in life. and lafe is right, we are robots in a sense. the human brain is the most powerful computer ever created, working on some o the same principles a computer itself runs on. we program ourselves or are programmed by others to be what is known by the masses, also programmed, to be socially acceptable, and run by a clock. I've seen many computer applications that work off timed programming, so i believe this would be a god item to compare to.
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4581#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/24 10:37
4582er a good item*, second last line. not a god item.
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4585big pile of poo
4586#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/24 14:57
4587Part 1
4588But no matter how much a computer works like a human brain it will never achieve something that we have already got. That is the power of free will. 
4589Plus free will can be exercised without anyone else’s being compromised. For example if I choose to type aaddvsdfg instead of any normal words, that will not compromise anyone else's free will. The government I do agree take away way too much of our free will and they do this mainly for their own benefits. I understand laws that forbid theft and murder but they for no other reason than self gain brought in tax's and then keep rising them. Because of these laws and the loopholes around them the very fabric of the financial world is beginning to unravel and all of this was caused by a few peoples free will. However it is incorrect to assume that any use of free will is going to crush someone elses.
4590And torture king we can determine good and bad. Obviously we can only do that to a certain extent but if a criminal walked up to you with a dead body over his left shoulder and 6 police chasing after him and he stopped and asked you "hey is this bad what I am doing" what would you say? Your answer in your head might be different from the one you speak but is what he doing bad? The clear answer is yes. He has taken the life of someone else something that should not be done therefore making his actions bad. We use our perception (something else that robots do not have) and use past experiences and former training to determine the answer. We do know the difference between good and bad and do not need to experience both sides before we can come to rational conclusions about things. It is the conscience that sometimes gets in the way of that and other desires and lack of conscience can lead people into doing or agreeing with bad.
4591
4592
4593big pile of poo
4594#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/24 14:57
4595Part 2
4596And sandmaster you said we can choose our decisions (in other words use free will) as long as they are within the initial programming of the brain. Tell me if we are given initial programming, which I fully agree we do, who did that programming?
4597There are things that we automatically do like breath and blink and get rid of waste and it is fair to say that these are programmings that we have been given but we can use our free will to go against that programming. We can choose not to breathe or blink if we want to and can computers do that? And we can comprehend new senses. If I said to you imagine living life inside a tree it is very likely that you have never experienced or been taught about life in a tree. However you can use knowledge of other things and your perception to determine life inside a tree. That is what I was doing to imagine life without free will and using the argument that I cannot truly perceive this life without experiencing it is untrue. 
4598And lafe are all of our actions programmed? do we need to follow orders or commands and have no way of going against them? 
4599It is these things that make us different from robots and while robots are similar to us in some areas, we will never be known as robots.
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4602kyoto
4603#NHJel6UM 2008/09/24 16:07
4604a robot system works like his it sees a item nand its takes them ages to identifi it a human dos not
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4607Torture King
4608#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/24 20:52
4609Clearly you have a horible computer, theve gotten much better since 1993. Get a Gateway w/ Comcast.
4610
4611FACT: The human brain starts to perform an action so many millisec.s BEFORE the human that possesses said brain decides to perform the action! it does point to preprogramming, BUT when the brain makes a decision (apparently by its self) it is the result of chemical reactions within the body. (which in turn create the urges and emotions that are responsible for anyone to decide anything anyway) in short i dont think there is such thing as free will, only the illution of free will (which im fine with having) but we also are not preprogrammed directly, only to the point where we react to chemical imbalences.
4612
4613The "FACT" has already been posted, but it matched up with the conversation. (plus, i found out what experiment was used to determine the conclusion: a thirsty volunteer was injected with a harmless chemical that slows down consoius thought by about 15 secs, a small glass of water was placed on a table on the other side of the room and a vouce-over told him to describe how he felt. he payed no attention and walked over drank the water walked back and sat back down, 10 secs later he said he was thirsty, 5 secs after he remembered getting up.)
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4616kyoto
4617#RO61otJi 2008/09/25 00:01
4618Torture King are u talking to me
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4621Sand Master (LG)
4622#ajqyAR5e 2008/09/25 02:06
4623I told you, the human brain may be vast, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to compute something that is within the initial programming of the structure.
4624
4625That is why when someone sees an infinite number, either he will reject the subject as a failsafe, have his brain burn out, or go insane due to chemical malfunctions!
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4628kyoto
4629#NHJel6UM 2008/09/25 03:48
4630but sand aster we bult the machines
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4633kyoto
4634#NHJel6UM 2008/09/25 03:49
4635o sorry but sand master we bult the machines
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4638Torture King
4639#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/25 06:16
4640We are machines. Bone marrow mass produces red-blood cells.(manufacturing plant) The brain takes chemical signals and converts them into electrical impulses to alert various parts of the body.(radio) The stomache breaks down raw mateirials into usable fuel.(refinery) I could go on for a long long time, but id rather not as i dont care for anatomy at the moment. ( i like cybernetics right now)
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4643Sand Master (LG)
4644#G92wf5iG 2008/09/25 08:01
4645No, seriosly, we are machines. Machines have no free will because we OPENLY PROGRAM the fact that they will, for example, move left when an object is rushing towards us.
4646
4647We have a much more complex programming, but that really only means e will move right next time, or try and meet it head on, but we don't actually have free will.
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4651#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/25 09:27
4652i really don't mind the illusion of free will tho lol
4653its just hard to believe it exists much. robots are being created that can learn. at the rate they are advancing, in a few generations robots will likely be as intelligent as humans, but still run on preprogrammed codes. we all run on "if" statements (if anyone has used the turing program at school you know what i mean), so how do we know that we AREN'T just following programs? Some people argue as soon as an argument breaks out, even if they really don't believe either side for example. if statements run people, as well as computers. I'd hate to try to write the code that makes us run though
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4656Sand Master (LG)
4657#G92wf5iG 2008/09/25 10:52
4658The only reason we think we have free will it that the program pretends to serve a purpose, and this 'false purpose' will be crushed with the knowledge of such.
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4661kyoto
4662#i4Ft5Qus 2008/09/25 20:55
4663if we are robots why do we grow and if we were programedfor free will we wont creat the 10 cammandments 
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4666kyoto
4667#i4Ft5Qus 2008/09/25 20:56
4668if we are programed for free will that means the commands are fols
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4671Sand Master (LG)
4672#G92wf5iG 2008/09/26 06:09
4673Because we are grwing within the initial programming. Nothing can break free of such.
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4677#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/26 11:27
4678i THINK we've exhausted almost every possibility of this debate. if someone comes up with anything not already argued over, please post lol
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4681Torture King
4682#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/26 17:35
4683what arguing? im having fun!
4684
4685Actually humans arnt comparable to singular robots, as much as we are like communitys of machines working together to keep the body alive. the fact that we grow is perfect evidence of this, and the code of laws has nothing to do with either side. replication is actually very common in factorys (its how they make money) and thats what we do. we replicate cells that are nessasary for survival (much like how factorys build arms to defend borders) the comparison i just made is toward white blood cells and fire arms. another ex. would be bones and walls, red blood cells and auto mobiles, lungs and oil refinerys, stomaches and power plants, kidneys and water filters, brain cells and mother boards, eyes and sensors, ears and reverberator circuits (found on milatary grade subs), and tendons and springs. I COULD GO ON! 
4686
4687and free will has nothing to do with the code of laws, it is a system that garrauntees a society the ability to become a civilisation.
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4690Sand Master (LG)
4691#G92wf5iG 2008/09/26 20:00
4692Sorry, I'm gonna be away for the weekend. I won't be able to discuss any new subjects.
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4696#1hpvCCw6 2008/09/27 00:14
4697dinorunner. if you don't like stick ranger, don't play. and don't put it in the earth editor forum.
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4700Torture King
4701#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/27 06:57
4702no response?
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4704
4705big pile of poo
4706#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/27 15:58
4707So basically all of you dont think that we have free will. You dont think that you can choose something of your own accord and then do it. 
4708Sand Master taking what you said before about the object moving towards us. If there was an object moving towards us at a speed fast enough to injure or kill us we move out of the way to avoid that pain. The reason humans avoid pain is because since when they were babies they learnt that pain is not a nice sensation so taught themselves to avoid it. This sometimes only happens after a number of months after birth. I you put a three month old baby in front of this speeding object the baby would have no problem with staying were it is and would most likely ignore the object up until the point of impact. However if you put a 20 year old man or woman in front of this object the chances are that this person will attempt to get out of the way. However they could use thier free will to stay were they are and it is not uncommon for situations like that to happen.
4709I understand and agree that there is a degree of programming in the body however it is wrong to assume that we are completely programmed. Personalities are an example of this. If you took two twins and seperated them from each other and brought them up in exactly the same conditions with exactly the same situations you would find that in 20 years time although living exactly the same life thier personalities would be different. If we were completely programmed and there was no way of breaking free of that programming then the twins would have the same personality.
4710And torture king do you actually think that free will was simply put in place to allow a society to become a civilisation? We could do that so much better if we were programmed machines. 
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4713kyoto
4714#1341WZh8 2008/09/27 17:48
4715we can not be programed if we was program wed have no free will
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4718Torture King
4719#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/28 17:14
4720thats the point kyoto, free will is an illusion according to studys.
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4723kyoto
4724#pxLPfqdZ 2008/09/29 03:42
4725no free will is not a illusion its real because we can vote eat what we whant...
4726the idea would not exist beaucse a idea is free will
4727
4728
4729big pile of poo
4730#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/29 03:47
4731Part 1
4732I didnt say we were programmed. I said we were programmed to an extent. Like breathing, blood clotting, digesting and stuff like that. The rest is down to free will. And for most of the things that we automatically do we can use our free will to stop doing it. We can stop breathing if we want to.
4733And torture king according to studies that hadron collider is going to end the Earth. According to others it will not. According to studies God exists. According to others he does not. Are you getting the general pattern. There are things that we dont understand in the world and there are other thing that are left down to chance. Just because some studies say something it does not automatically mean that it is correct. It is like in the debate we had a few weeks back, we cannot know everything about anything scientific (This does not apply to things made up inside a human head) so studies cannot be accurately carried out on something we cannot understand. We do not by any means understand free will and the only things we can know for sure are things from the bible. If you do not agree with the bible or are simply to lazy to read it (I'm not calling you lazy I'm simply giving a possibility) then you cannot know anything about free will. 
4734
4735
4736big pile of poo
4737#EmCxmJK2 2008/09/29 03:48
4738Part 2
4739If we were completely programmed then predestination kind of comes into the picture. If we were programmed then all of our actions would be predictable and fortune tellers and scientists would be able to foretell the future 100 percent accurately without help from any supernatural source. But they cant and never will be able to because we have free will and can perform and decide contrary to any predictions or assumptions made previous to them. We cannot live in the way we do without free will no matter how much illusion we are put under. If we were programmed completely then we would not get bored of things (like I am getting bored of you guys contradicting the obvious), we would not be curious, we would not change our minds for no reason, and we wouldn't be so different from each other. We have free will over our minds however we do not have free will over the cells in our body. We can tell them what to do and they are programmed to obey this command. Some cells are designed to not take orders from us and to just do their job. Like the enzymes that produce the digestion function, and the cells of the roots of hair that make hair grow. We have control over the things we can send messages to but have no control over things we don't. If we had control over them we would not survive with the relative luxury that we do. We have free will over the things that we can contact in our bodies. But cannot contact the rest so cannot control it. Like I said before we have free will to an extent but the rest are programmed for us to not have control or free will over them. 
4740
4741I think we need a new topic now because we are getting nowhere with this debate. 
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4743
4744Torture King
4745#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/29 20:24
4746so what your saying kyoto, is that A = B because A= B?
4747Redo your logic if you wish to be taken seriously in further topics, also leave religon out of it. most of the people here are atheists.
4748
4749bpop, your right, we are getting nowhere, because like you said we actually dont know anything about our own minds (IRONY!)which in turn means that neither side can provide sufficent evidence to convince the other.
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4752kyoto
4753#lTlJhhwc 2008/09/30 01:03
4754the string thore
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4756
4757Sand master
4758#3RCLiyAZ 2008/09/30 02:18
4759BACK
4760
4761So are you stating that despite our programming, we are actually infinite beings?
4762
4763Are you trying to tell us we are omnipotent?
4764
4765And whatever you think is free will is actually part of a LARGER programming, based on a group of humans, maybe the whole species.
4766
4767Helping someone is just an attempt to evolve into something bigger. All species are just growing amoebas that try and fail to reach an infinite size.
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4770kyoto
4771#p6yaghI5 2008/09/30 03:08
4772we sould start a new debate
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4775kyoto
4776#p6yaghI5 2008/09/30 03:12
4777Torture King am a atheists. i study relgions because there intressting storys and yes your right i sould leave relgion out of this(sand master did u enjoy your holiday) free will is region
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4780Torture King
4781#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/30 05:41
4782i garuntee that string theory was shot down the moment sand master arrived. 
4783
4784perhaps we ourselves are not infinite, yet the possiblitys of further evolution and exploration/civilisation are.
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4787Torture King
4788#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/30 05:43
4789(just a joke, dont flame me, or actually look for this in any book) "And then the Lord said: I do not beleive in atheists, Therefore atheists do not exist."
4790
4791
4792Teh Bible Freak
4793#jJ340KMa 2008/09/30 06:11
4794Debate:What is the true religion :)
4795
4796best answer:christainity and catholicism!
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4798
4799Teh Bible Freak
4800#jJ340KMa 2008/09/30 06:12
4801big pile of poo is cool :[]
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4804kyoto001a6be88a
4805#p6yaghI5 2008/09/30 06:14
4806the true relgion is the relgion u chouse what relgion are u 
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4809Sand Master
4810#G92wf5iG 2008/09/30 07:57
4811BLEAGH! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT!
4812Not only am I, as a non-believer in God, think that is an extremely unneccesary comment, but I am also slightly offended as not being a Christian!
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4815Sand Master (LG)
4816#G92wf5iG 2008/09/30 07:59
4817True religion doesn't exist. Religion as a whole is just a massivle lie to cover up unknown questions (I could have a lot more points than this, but this is a rant).
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4820Torture King
4821#MWBbOqwi 2008/09/30 20:30
4822I never said it was'nt, but the fact remains : neither side can prove the other wrong. so why not be light about it? also no religon debate, im what most most would call a pagan, but i dont mix science and religon EVER, i just prefer to have a back-up plan. (I just got the thing in an E-mail of funny church bill-boards)
4823
4824LOSEN UP IT WAS A JOKE! NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!
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4827kyoto
4828#vFpUigpH 2008/09/30 20:50
4829we sould have a debiat war on terrrtiosism
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4832big pile of poo
4833#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/01 02:26
4834Sand Master I find it quite immature at the fact that you stated that you were offended and then posted something that could potentially offend others. I am happy accepting that you have your own ideas and opinions but do not speak in absolutes like that. Religion is not something to cover up unknown qeustions they are theories and beliefs. If anything it is scientists who make up answers to unknown questions(e.g. dark matter) I actually thought that you were a better debater than that but obviously not.
4835And thanks teh bible freak for the compliment although I dont see why I deserve it.
4836
4837But seriously guys we need a new topic because this topic is to personal to be debated over. It is another topic where nobody is gonna back down.
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4840Sand Master
4841#G92wf5iG 2008/10/01 05:24
4842Yes, but one comment degrades others, and another is onnly an opinion.
4843
4844And I didn't say I ws offended by YOUR post, Torture King.
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4847kyoto
4848#nvSUhYHJ 2008/10/01 06:02
4849i agree with u sand master relgion was just to hind the problems and to make people feel better about its just common logic. (torture king u need to STOP MAKEING THE JOKES!!!)
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4852Torture King
4853#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/01 06:50
4854I found an equation that allows me to prove anything i want! i just have to copy it from my notebook to a word pad. I shall provide the info on how to mathimatically prove Winston Churchill is a carrot, when i finish.
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4857Sand Master
4858#G92wf5iG 2008/10/01 07:26
4859I READ THAT BOOK TOO! THAT EQUATION IS AWSOME!
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4861
4862big pile of poo
4863#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/01 15:45
4864If what yoou were saying was an opinion you should of stated that instead of speaking in an absolute.
4865
4866And what is that equation cos I never heard of it before?
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4869kyoto
4870#nvSUhYHJ 2008/10/02 03:35
4871Most people take zero for granted as a number that stands for a quantity of nothing. However, throughout history, many civilizations were either unaware of zero or were simply terrified of this unusual number and actively sought to keep it out of their numerical systems. And yet, zero means far more than nothing. Its presence not only enables us to do arithmetic easily, but, with its twin, infinity, makes possible modern calculus and physics. From Xeno's paradox to an articulate explanation of string theorystring theory, description of elementary particles based on one-dimensional curves, or "strings," instead of point particles. Superstring theory, which is string theory that contains a kind of symmetry known as supersymmetry, shows promise as a way of unifying the four known fundamental forces of nature.
4872..... Click the link for more information. and Cantor's reasoning that there are the same number of integers and rational numbers (akin to saying that the number of integers is the same as the number of even numbers), this book will make these fascinating ideas accessible to the non-physicist and non-mathematician. The author's enthusiastic reading combined with his clear, accurate and accessible explanations of important concepts in mathematics and physics make this a great listening experience. His reading is a bit on the fast side, but once immersed in the book, listeners will adapt to the pace. Susan Offner, Teacher Lexington H.S., Lexington, MA 
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4875kyoto
4876#nvSUhYHJ 2008/10/02 03:36
4877a quwt from this book
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4880DarkRaine
4881#aMSNcLLr 2008/10/02 10:47
4882This argument is still going on? Why am I not surprised?
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4885Sand Master
4886#G92wf5iG 2008/10/02 20:17
4887It's a debate. We enjoy it, and by doing so we can discuss and give opinions on theories, alllowing changes and breakthroughs.
4888
4889It really IS quite useful.
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4892Torture King
4893#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/02 23:31
4894I know i gave my math teacher a head trip yesterday by answering every question with 0, hurray for easy As!.
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4897Torture King
4898#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/02 23:40
4899heres the equation: a = 1, b = 1
4900(a + b)(a - b) = a(a - b)
4901simplify
4902a + b = a
4903b = 0
49041 = 0
4905
4906plug-in any numbers at all and it always turns out that "0" is the numerical equivalent of a black-hole.
4907
4908im still copying the whole thing to a word pad so that will come soon.
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4911kyoto
4912#HKRpXDVB 2008/10/03 01:48
4913type of black hole mass angular momentum charge 
4914Kerr black hole M > 0 J > 0 Q = 0 
4915Kerr-Newman black hole M > 0 J > 0 
4916Reissner-Nordström black hole M > 0 J = 0 
4917Schwarzschild black hole M > 0 J = 0 Q = 0 
4918
4919
4920b0mb
4921#1hpvCCw6 2008/10/03 12:26
4922If 0 is the answer to most anything, then what about 1? the only other answer? if so, then binary is the system to use for math, not decimal lol
4923
4924
4925big pile of poo
4926#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/03 14:55
4927I dont understand much about the whole 0 thing but from my assumptions I have collected the idea that 0 cannot simply mean nothing because if anything is divided by 0 it equals 0. However if 0 did equal nothing then these equations would equal the other number in the equation. For example 6/0=6. However this is not the case and the fact that anything equals 0 when divided by this implies that there is something else to the numerical value of 0.
4928
4929Well done everyone we have managed to actually have some complete debates with little spam. (clap clap)
4930
4931
4932kyoto
4933#HKRpXDVB 2008/10/04 00:03
4934yes send it to me and in the next 3 mounths send the update to me say this because my web died on me muhahaha!!
4935
4936
4937Sand Master
4938#ajqyAR5e 2008/10/04 01:57
4939if you don't understand, think of it this way:
4940
49411*0 is 0, and so is 2, and so is 3, etc.
4942if you take 0, and divide it by 0, you should get the answer again, which is 1.
4943
4944...and 2...
4945
4946...and 3.......
4947
4948and so on and so forth!
4949
4950
4951kyoto
4952#HKRpXDVB 2008/10/04 04:03
4953but 0 divade by 0 is because u have got nothing to divide so if there is nothing that means there is no black hole
4954
4955
4956Sand Master
4957#G92wf5iG 2008/10/04 07:33
4958But it's basic math that, for example 6/2=3, meaning 3*2=6.
4959
4960If 6/0=0, 0*0=0, you prove that 0=6!
4961
4962This means that 0=ANYTHING, and therefore proves the equation.
4963
4964
4965lmnopguy7
4966#iGHAjxDv 2008/10/04 07:37
4967...danm smart people...
4968
4969
4970kyoto
4971#9mrs2wHP 2008/10/04 16:32
4972but 0 can not = anything if its own number for eg 0+1=1 so 0 is its own number.
4973
4974
4975kyoto
4976#9mrs2wHP 2008/10/04 16:37
4977its simple
4978
4979
4980Sand Master
4981#G92wf5iG 2008/10/04 20:36
4982THAT'S what's so cool about the equation!
4983
4984
4985Shujouteki
4986#UBPOAO1m 2008/10/05 03:46
49876/0=0, 0*6=0.
49880=nothing, but 0=everything.
4989everything=nothing.
4990
4991
4992Shujouteki
4993#UBPOAO1m 2008/10/05 03:48
4994if god was real there would be no equation such as 
4995Everything=nothing
4996
4997
4998Sand Master
4999#G92wf5iG 2008/10/05 05:08
5000I rest my case.
5001
5002
5003big pile of poo
5004#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/05 17:00
5005I dont know how you figured that 0 proves that there is no God but we are off that topic anyway.
5006However I think that we know a little less about 0 than we think. If you get a calculator and divide anything by 0 the answer comes up with "error" or "cannot divide by 0". However most people are under the assumtion that anything divided by 0 equals 0. I was told by my maths teacher that we are only taught this because if a question like that comes up in an exam the examiner will accept that anything divided by 0 is 0. Because calculators cannot divide by 0 even though it would be simple to program to show 0 as an answer, shows that scientists and mathematicians do not or cannot understand 0. Personally I think it would be a hell of a lot easier if 0 was assumed to equal nothing. But it can't because it is the midpoint between positive and negative numbers and if it equaled nothing then it would not be counted as a number and would mean there is no midpoint between positive and negative.
5007
5008
5009SandMaster
5010#G92wf5iG 2008/10/05 22:01
5011I already knew that. Don't forget that I used to study paradoxes, and moved to infinite/infinitesimal number mathematics.
5012People just can't understand why, and have based so much on their knowledge of mathematics. With 0 breaking everything doown, soceity will collapse, and everything will crumble.
5013So people just swept it under the rug, and now I'm gonna see if I can come back and haunt them.
50140 is not nothing. It is a neutral entity, like infinity.
5015
5016I just thought this up, it might sounds kinda stupid or wierd, but:
5017If 0 is the neutral midpoint between + and -, then infinity, which IS a neutral midpoint, having the same properties as 0, is the midpoint between + and...what?
5018There should be something there that we are missing! Something like a 'finite infinity,' something beyond infinity that IS finite, but we will never reach because we must cross infinite numbers to reach it!
5019
5020
5021sandmaster
5022#27HYlcIY 2008/10/05 22:44
5023pooorrrrnnn
5024
5025
5026Sand Master
5027#G92wf5iG 2008/10/06 01:44
5028This is the ninth time someone impersonated me...
5029
5030
5031Torture King
5032#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/06 04:26
5033that one right there is a good disquise
5034
5035
5036Sand Master
5037#fYxuruyd 2008/10/06 07:06
5038you know sand master, if you just made an account, the impersonations would be less obvious
5039
5040
5041Sand Master
5042#fYxuruyd 2008/10/06 07:07
5043woops, forgot to change my color, my bad
5044
5045
5046Sand master
5047#3RCLiyAZ 2008/10/06 07:36
5048I was using a different computer, so THERE!
5049
5050
5051kyoto
5052#XtJ2OTH3 2008/10/06 20:52
5053sorry about the absence i hack my isp and broke the internet in my area whoops (muhahaha) am useing a pda
5054
5055
5056Torture King
5057#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/07 06:51
5058Oh no! It crumbled again!
5059
5060
5061Tortured King
5062#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/07 06:52
5063AAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!! IT BURNS!!!
5064
5065
5066Sand Master
5067#G92wf5iG 2008/10/07 07:35
5068Don't worry! I have it all saved on Word Document, with parts you can no longer see, as this debate has gone for so long!
5069
507089 pages, AND COUNTING!
5071
5072E-mail me at vinster60@gmail.com for the FULL, UNEDITED GREAT DEBATE, FILTERED OF ALL SPAM!
5073
5074
5075Sand master
5076#G92wf5iG 2008/10/07 08:15
5077I AM BACK IN! PROBABLY BOLD NAME FOR THE REST OF THE DEBATE, MOSTLY!
5078
5079
5080Sand master
5081#G92wf5iG 2008/10/08 05:15
5082You know, we haven't discussed politics at all here, I really thought we'd get to it without having to bring up the subject that we DIDN'T get to it...
5083
5084
5085Torture King
5086#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/08 07:16
5087local, national, or international?
5088
5089
5090Sand master
5091#G92wf5iG 2008/10/08 09:55
5092Well, international, as we are not all in the same country...
5093
5094
5095kyoto001a6be88a
5096#y8Bx0ntV 2008/10/08 16:04
5097how can we doe international if am in the eu 
5098
5099
5100kyoto001a6be88a
5101#y8Bx0ntV 2008/10/08 16:08
5102and some is in usa
5103
5104
5105Torture King
5106#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/09 05:42
5107wait.. would international count the US presidential debate last nite? If so, i thought that Obama appeared imcompotent, due to the fact he never actually answered the questions.
5108
5109if not, what do you suppose Russia was trying to accomplish in occupiying Georgia? I, myself was reminded of the gone-yet-not-forgotten USSR.
5110
5111
5112Sand master
5113#G92wf5iG 2008/10/09 06:47
5114Russia was making a statement on imperialism. By objecting to the war in Georgia, the US proved hypocritical (good times with Afrew), because it went against the UN to invade Iraq.
5115
5116
5117big pile of poo
5118#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/09 14:57
5119Lol I just heard that the hadron collider has broken down because of one wire at the very bottom of the machine. They are gonna have to completely dismantle it to get to that one wire. And when they were doing the tests by firing a proton round the loop in one direction the proton hit something and didnt come back. They later found out it was a beer bottle that someone had left there after getting drunk.
5120
5121
5122KYOTO 8hlater
5123#J59SweuC 2008/10/09 15:47
5124liquid hirgion leaked into the tubes
5125
5126
5127Sand master
5128#G92wf5iG 2008/10/09 21:32
5129That is that greatest thing I ever heard today!
5130Beer and wires and everything...
5131
5132
5133b0mb
5134#1hpvCCw6 2008/10/11 05:27
5135LOL a beer bottle broke the particle accelerator? hope its working again
5136
5137
5138Sand master
5139#G92wf5iG 2008/10/11 07:41
5140That must haved been some party!
5141
5142"Hey! Let's all go to the particle accelerator!"
5143"Yeah!"
5144
5145
5146intelligent ant
5147#iCBCeGcP 2008/10/11 09:18
5148The hadron collider didn't stop because of a beer bottle. It's predecessor, Large-Electron Positron Collider did. And it was 2 beer bottles.
5149
5150
5151Torture King
5152#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/11 11:44
5153still intresting an subject though
5154
5155
5156peanuts
5157#0omNA9Sm 2008/10/11 17:20
5158I've always imagined the hadron collider as the thing behind the fence in the halo 3 map last resort. =P
5159
5160Apparently they're making a new collieder which is a few miles long. Seriously. WTF.
5161
5162
5163Torture King
5164#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/12 08:38
5165STOP WITH THE CRUMBLING OF THE FUN DEBATES!!!
5166
5167
5168wow
5169#X8AWTBeW 2008/10/12 11:53
5170But it's basic math that, for example 6/2=3, meaning 3*2=6.
5171
5172If 6/0=0, 0*0=0, you prove that 0=6!
5173
5174This means that 0=ANYTHING, and therefore proves the equation.
5175if you don't understand, think of it this way:
5176
51771*0 is 0, and so is 2, and so is 3, etc.
5178if you take 0, and divide it by 0, you should get the answer again, which is 1.
5179
5180...and 2...
5181
5182...and 3.......
5183
5184and so on and so forth!
5185I already knew that. Don't forget that I used to study paradoxes, and moved to infinite/infinitesimal number mathematics.
5186People just can't understand why, and have based so much on their knowledge of mathematics. With 0 breaking everything doown, soceity will collapse, and everything will crumble.
5187So people just swept it under the rug, and now I'm gonna see if I can come back and haunt them.
51880 is not nothing. It is a neutral entity, like infinity.
5189
5190I just thought this up, it might sounds kinda stupid or wierd, but:
5191If 0 is the neutral midpoint between + and -, then infinity, which IS a neutral midpoint, having the same properties as 0, is the midpoint between + and...what?
5192There should be something there that we are missing! Something like a 'finite infinity,' something beyond infinity that IS finite, but we will never reach because we must cross infinite numbers to reach it!
5193
5194
5195Torture King
5196#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/12 15:57
5197wow, I dispise you. people who take others ideas and state as thier own are now at the top of my unproduction list. 
5198
5199
5200Please come up with your own contribution, plagerizers are NOT welcome.
5201
5202
5203Torture King
5204#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/12 15:59
5205strike that, i do not dispise you. i am just displeased with your presence.
5206
5207
5208big pile of poo
5209#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/12 16:36
5210wow/BAD AT SPELLING we have read the same posts that Sandmaster posted so you dont have to post them again. 
5211
5212Sorry guys I think I caused the start of the debates falling apart. Hey everyone try and get a debate started again instead of questioning chickens and eggs and taking other peoples ideas.
5213
5214
5215kyoto001a6be88a
5216#AooFxfSh 2008/10/12 19:03
5217bad spelling is wow
5218
5219
5220kyoto001a6be88a
5221#AooFxfSh 2008/10/13 01:17
5222what does xd mean
5223
5224
5225Torture King
5226#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/13 07:00
5227XD is a face
5228
5229(one of Zenos paradoxes) Achilles and a tortoise are in a race, the moment achilles passes the tortoise he wins. The totoise gets a head start of 10 feet, and achilles can reach the tortoise in one bound. However the tortoise runs at half that speed. How many feet does achiles pass the tortoise? (answer) Never, every time he reaches where the tortoise was, it has already moved forward half the distance. (example) 10feet, 5feet, 2 1/2feet, 1 1/4feet.... He takes an infinite amount of steps!
5230
5231
5232Sand master
5233#G92wf5iG 2008/10/14 00:23
5234You got that version from 0:BoaDI, didn't you?
5235
5236Obviously, its the same result of having 2 pennies, and dividing by 2, by 2, by 2, and so on...
5237
5238Hopefully if you always round up, you will never lose any money (so spend your ._9 pennies seperately, and you have an infinite source of cash!)
5239
5240I think I broke this debate too...I knew politics won't last a week.
5241
5242
5243Torture King
5244#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/14 03:47
5245the zero book, its coisen/brother the infinity book, and my love of greek mythology/history have all confirmed that this Zeno person existed to me yes.
5246
5247
5248Sand master
5249#G92wf5iG 2008/10/14 09:45
5250That's what I said.
5251I've been doing a lot of work on paradoxial mathematics, if you remember my statement about a month or so ago in the debate, which I have yet to update for those who wish to read it.
5252
5253
5254Sand master
5255#G92wf5iG 2008/10/14 09:45
5256That's what I said.
5257I've been doing a lot of work on paradoxial mathematics, if you remember my statement about a month or so ago in the debate, which I have yet to update for those who wish to read it.
5258
5259
5260b0mb
5261#1hpvCCw6 2008/10/14 09:47
5262how about this? screw the adds, enjoy the games, and get back to the debates?
5263
5264
5265big pile of poo
5266#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/14 15:14
5267I wonder what would happen if you told a robot such as asimo to figure out one of these infinite questions. Would they start smoking from the head and explode or just say that it is unsolvable. It would be cool if they did explode.
5268speaking of robots did you know that a robot has intentionally killed a person. This japanese guy wanted to power down a robot and it objected and pushed him into a machine which then crushed the man. ROBOTS ARE TAKING OVER THE WORLD! apparently they don't want to reveal much on the subject but the story leaked out somehow.
5269
5270
5271big pile of poo
5272#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/14 15:27
5273Sorry I got my story wrong. Check out this website to see the real story. 
5274
5275http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenji_Urada
5276
5277My friend told me the version that I put down and when I just searched it I found that it was wrong
5278
5279
5280Sand master
5281#G92wf5iG 2008/10/14 20:35
5282As said before: I wouldn't mind living as (or under the military dictatorship) of robots.
5283
5284
5285kyoto001a6be88a
5286#kH2fjH4M 2008/10/14 20:55
5287DICTATORSHIP no voting
5288
5289
5290Torture King
5291#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/15 07:45
5292as long as said robots were programed to find value in human life.
5293
5294
5295big pile of poo
5296#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/15 15:12
5297I do actualy think that living under the laws of robots would probably make life easier and fairer. However who would program the robots? Probably the government so we would probably not feel much change if we were ruled by robots now. If we were ruked by robots since the start of any governments then it would be a lot better. We would have lower taxes, less random laws, and probably much safer lives.
5298
5299
5300Torture King
5301#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/15 16:39
5302this is mostly off-topic but i myself am working on an AI program that allows AIs in games to base thier moves on past experience, and allow them to feel mercy. in other words, become almost human.
5303
5304I would say im rather close, as so far ive managed to get one to build up defences after a war in which i used the traditional wave attack.
5305
5306it proboly wont meet my expectations but it would be a start no?
5307
5308
5309Sand master
5310#G92wf5iG 2008/10/15 19:38
5311I don't know, an AI program should have a personality randomly generated by the computer, so that large armies with complex personality variety wouldn't all run at thesame time, attack at the same time...
5312
5313Mainly, a fighting personality would consist of variables that determine some abilities necessary for combat, like the use of speed, strength, agility, stamina, resourcefulness, etc.
5314
5315Then you could have the entire body move freely like a gagdoll, and stand it up with the skeleton. This allows the hands to have to phisically speed up with a strike, the loss of balance when required, and so on and so forth. You need to pin it down so your enemies don't have seizures on the floor durng battle though.
5316
5317I mean, I can think of thousands of ways to get an AI program to work.
5318I can't make one for my life, but if I could, I could do a hell of a lot of things.
5319
5320
5321Torture King
5322#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/17 07:00
5323did i just crumble it again?
5324
5325if so sorry
5326
5327
5328Sand master
5329#G92wf5iG 2008/10/17 09:50
5330No, it just slowed to a standstill...I remember at the beggining of the debate there was about one post a day.
5331
5332Sometimes two days....
5333
5334
5335Torture King
5336#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/18 08:57
5337just like the economy.
5338
5339
5340Torture King
5341#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/18 12:15
5342that was bad. im sorry
5343
5344
5345Chaos Theory!! Commence!
5346
5347I beleive that real probablity is really an infinitly large random number generater. all in favor? all opposed? please provide logical explainations, I refuse to let the debate die!!!
5348
5349
5350Sand master
5351#G92wf5iG 2008/10/18 22:55
5352I have it saved, so we can look back on our accomplishments...
5353Well, that number gerenator shows that there is a 1/In chance for anyone to, let's say get a 12 on a dice. No matter how long he rolls, we'll never get his 12.
5354
5355
5356big pile of poo
5357#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/19 05:26
5358This board has been going downhill for a few weeks now. I'm not gonna post for a couple of weeks and I'll see where this board has gone then. Theres really no point in me posting for a while anyway because any debate we start is somehow interupted by someone. So I'll come back when things have died down a bit. See you then
5359
5360
5361Sand master
5362#G92wf5iG 2008/10/19 22:31
5363You know, I was hoping to try and publish this...It's gonna look kinda funny on a bookshelf, but who knows? People might learn soimething...
5364
5365
5366Sand master
5367#G92wf5iG 2008/10/19 22:32
5368It won't work......but it may be worth a try.
5369
5370
5371Torture King
5372#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/20 12:27
5373"Debates About Quantum Physics on an Online Game Comment Board" Love it!
5374
5375
5376Sand master
5377#G92wf5iG 2008/10/20 19:54
5378I would definateky buy something named like that.
5379Of course, nobody else would, but if I never heard of the Great Debate, I'd go to a bookshelf...
5380
5381"This book is PERFECT!"
5382
5383
5384Torture King
5385#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/21 12:13
5386me too, shall we nuetraly discuss theology?
5387
5388like how in the ten commandments, Jehova acknoledges the presence of other gods and commands us to never put them before him
5389
5390
5391big pile of poo
5392#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/21 14:32
5393Yes He does acknoledge other Gods but these are not gods in the sense of an alpowerful being. The gods that he acknowlegdes are what we can turn into gods. For example materialism and power.
5394Can I ask you a question though torture king. Why do you refer to God as Jehovah if you are not one of Jehovahs Witnesses?
5395
5396
5397Sand master
5398#G92wf5iG 2008/10/22 05:05
5399I'm guessing as an atheist, you wouldn't call hm a God, as you would be assumed to refer to Him as YOUR God.
5400
5401I as an atheist don't see God as an existing being, and even if I do, I will not put Him before my priorities.
5402
5403
5404Torture King
5405#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/22 13:13
5406probability says its best to believe and fade into oblibivion or go to heaven, than to not beleive and go to hell or fade into oblivion. am i not correct in this standing
5407
5408
5409big pile of poo
5410#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/22 14:31
5411I think I get what your talking about. But if you are believing in the wrong god then your chances of going to heaven or fading into oblivion are very low. Possibly 0. But the bible says nothing about going to heaven or hell as a reward for good behaviour during life. That is simply an assumption created by some strands of christendom.
5412
5413
5414themullenman
5415#5kLq1UXv 2008/10/22 23:59
5416hi ppl i like ur random debates
5417
5418
5419themullenman
5420#5kLq1UXv 2008/10/23 00:00
5421bu what if heaven does no ixist and there is no after life then what god u choose means nothing and wherupon the fact is void, the real question would be,in this case,how do you defin heaven and hell
5422
5423
5424Sand master
5425#G92wf5iG 2008/10/23 07:19
5426Think of the 'void' idea this way:
5427You can't think, you can't hear, you can't see, you can't feel, you can't do anything, and you have no consoiuness.
5428How do you know you're in the void if you have no mind?
5429
5430
5431Sand master
5432#G92wf5iG 2008/10/23 07:20
5433I believe in the void concept, but think about how YOU would be when you become void. I's a very scary experience.
5434
5435
5436Torture King
5437#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/23 09:33
5438which is why im skeptically devout.
5439
5440also aztec mythos has a hell but no heaven.
5441and egyptian mythos beleived that if your heart weighed more than a feather, youd go to hell.
5442and zulu mythos says that the reason that they were black was that thier "king of the gods" left them in the fires of life for too long. That was random mythology facts. Enjoy!
5443Torture King
5444#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/23 09:38
5445ps. i use the term "mythos" to describe any religon with less that 5000 followers, i dont favor any major religon really. I would immediantly convert to Hinduism if i wokeup to see Shiva (destroyer of evil) standing at the foot of my bed.
5446
5447
5448big pile of poo
5449#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/23 15:40
5450Sand master did you know that the bible actually says that death is a "void" as you call it. It goes into the hope for the dead later on in the bible but this hope isnt a heaven or hell hope it is something different.
5451
5452And torture king. If you was God (you could be the god of any religion) and you saw that someone was preparing to switch religions as soon as any personal proof was given and that this person was claiming to believe or follow alot of religions to improve thier chances of reward, would you be very happy with them? If I was God and saw someone do this I would not give them a reward for following my religion and others. I would simply dismiss them as an opposer. You need to think about that before you claim to follow or be prepared to follow multiple religions
5453
5454
5455Sand master
5456#G92wf5iG 2008/10/23 19:31
5457YOU made them.....they're still YOUR PROBLEM!
5458
5459
5460Torture King
5461#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/24 08:04
5462If I was a god, I would reveal myself. that way, it would be impossible for anyone to doubt my existance.
5463
5464
5465big pile of poo
5466#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/24 14:39
5467God promises of a revealance (not in sight but in power) before the judgement of mankind. However most judging goes on before the revealance in order to insure that people dont get away with doing that. 
5468And was your post aimed at me sand master? If so then I dont understand where the anger came from or what the post means.
5469
5470
5471guy from OZ
5472#SWT65e76 2008/10/24 15:06
5473god aint real, it's not phisically or scientifically or whatever-entically possible. sorry if i offended you but what if god was really just a devil pretending to be nice so when you die he eats your soul? lol i rock
5474
5475
5476Torture King
5477#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/24 19:44
5478guy, this is a neutral, completly theoretical discussion. hence, i will now disreguard the first sentence you posted. also, you are refering to the Shinto shimigami (god of death). 
5479
5480
5481i wonder what would happen if the pope got to heaven, and came across Utu (sumerian god of protection, life, and creation.) do you think he would attempt to denounce him?
5482
5483
5484Sand master
5485#G92wf5iG 2008/10/25 07:37
5486Well, Sumer's religion defied all those who do not follow it, so he will probably denounce him.
5487
5488
5489Torture King
5490#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/25 20:08
5491hahaha "You there ruler of heaven, Go To Hell!" *SMITE*
5492
5493
5494Sand master
5495#G92wf5iG 2008/10/26 03:44
5496This debate certainly has winded down since the glory days......two weeks ago (hahaha).
5497
5498Look back, and we see all we've discussed, what we went through (I actually used to think the flaming about God took longer than the flaming with Afrew...I checked, and it was five times longer!).
5499
5500I may go to hell, but, ironically enough, with the corruption and such in the world, it is goig to be a lot more (*snicker*) lively down there.
5501
5502
5503DRA4
5504#1HWpibZ6 2008/10/26 04:17
5505wow a religion flame war how fun.
5506
5507
5508big pile of poo
5509#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/26 04:33
5510So now everyone has managed to turn a serious discussion into an apparently humorous and random conversation. And especially as we are considering a topic as touchy as that one. I thoguht some of you were better than that.
5511Pretty much everyone who posted since my last has made some sort of "joke" on the topic. Well done guys well done!
5512
5513
5514DRA4
5515#1HWpibZ6 2008/10/26 04:35
5516Really who wants a religion flame war religion starts wars religion caused 9/11 religion does bad things to the world and a religion flame war will destroy friendships and cause the collapse of this already weakening community.
5517
5518
5519Torture King
5520#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/26 10:47
5521maybe this IS hell, what with all the atheists, satanists, and pointless wars. could be, no?
5522
5523
5524Sand master
5525#G92wf5iG 2008/10/26 14:17
5526Well, Big Pile of Poo...I'm cynical AND sarcastic, so religious flame wars could place a sign saying 'MAKE FUN OF HERE!'
5527
5528This Community is a debating system. PoederGamers come here to see our debate and....saldy enough....spam in it.
5529
5530If it's Hell, what are the religious people doing here (I SMELL HYPOCRISY)?!
5531
5532
5533Sand master
5534#G92wf5iG 2008/10/26 14:19
5535I really did enjoy Afrew's temporary stay. It always gave me something to look forward to every day, seeing someone try and fail to establish his collapsing ideas (whether they were right or wrong, they were poorly maintained, and he contradicted himself far beyond his theories). That was in July, I believe...
5536
5537
5538Torture King
5539#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/26 15:24
5540repenting?
5541
5542
5543big pile of poo
5544#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/26 16:31
5545That is not true at all. I dont know where you go that from but it's wrong.
5546Sand master the point I was making was the fact that there is a time and a place for everything and a religious debate is not the place to be sarcastic. Doing so proves your insensitivity and lack of the ability to maintain a serious manner whilst discussing a serious matter.
5547Also hell is a place that was made up by strands of christendom. THe bible itself does not speak of hell and clearly points to the fact that death is simply an unconsciousness. The bible does speak of hades and gehenna but these are just another way of saying the common grave. I understand that other people believe it because of thier own beliefs and ot because of the bible but if anybody believes in hell because of christendom then do not believe it.
5548
5549One last thing. Search earth editor on google and look at the second link. It actually shows some of the posts. Last time I looked it showed the comment from that Ihateoz person and from torture king
5550
5551
5552big pile of poo
5553#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/26 16:32
5554my first sentance was aimed at guy from ox by the way
5555
5556
5557DRA4
5558#omECwcH1 2008/10/26 21:38
5559This is getting pretty serious...I'm calling the main internet server and tell him or it to cut off your internet connection until your minds stop thinking of this.
5560
5561
5562Sand master
5563#G92wf5iG 2008/10/27 05:04
5564Of course I know when I should and should not be sarcastic at such a serious matter, but my sarcasm is also a way to show my apathy towards the opposition's attempts at moving my opinion. I do not care much for circular arguments, based on no actual proof, and seeing their serious attempts as the joke of humanity, I joke back.
5565
5566Is that a good enough explanation? They insult me, I insult them, in a slightly different medium of language.
5567
5568Not to mention that whatever proof they DID show me is a RESULT of the existance of God, which they seek to prove as true, therefore showing that their argument is based on their argument, and there is no way to link it to actual fact (which I never said was untrue, acording to Godel with the dots, as I call him).
5569
5570
5571GumGum
5572#5lKBVOx1 2008/10/27 07:17
5573Does it really matter
5574
5575
5576Torture King
5577#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/27 15:39
5578no it does not matter, thats why we're debating.
5579
5580I just dont see why everyone gets so touchy on theology, wasnt the subject created to devolop diffrent views on religon?
5581
5582It didnt get this heated when the big bang came up, and thats a creation theory in itself!
5583
5584More random beliefs from around the world!!! 
5585
5586you know the greek hero perseus? (killed medusa) well the irish celts actually had their own version of the tale.
5587
5588judaism was once closly linked to alchemy. (hence the interwoven triangles.)
5589
5590hinduism teaches of a great being that cannot be described in any way, it is refered to as a god, as all of existance was apparently created from it. hindus spend all of thier apparently reincarnating lives trying to break free of the cycle of life and death in order to join once more with this being. taoists and buddists are trying the same thing, but that didnt stop them from having holy wars with eachother!
5591
5592the saying "all is fair in love and war." came from the sumerian saying "all is fair in Inanna's eyes." (Inanna was the sumerian god of love and warfare.
5593
5594last one for now
5595
5596the japanese kappa is said to have been warded off with an offering of fresh mushrooms, pastrys, or meat
5597
5598
5599Torture King
5600#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/27 15:43
5601on the celtic perseus: no theirs did not kill medusa, but he did get locked in a chest and thrown out to sea, forced to do do combat with various monsters, and eventually fulfilled a prophesy of killing his father.
5602
5603
5604big pile of poo
5605#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/27 17:21
5606Sand master I understand your expanation but surely you are better than that. You dont have to insult to defend yourself.
5607And torture king the reason why I am making the point that this is a touchy subject is because to some people it is. A lot of people find it completely disrespectful towards them and God when jokes are made about God or religion. Personally I dont care because Ive grown up being bullied for my religion and there isnt much that people can say that I havent heard before but to other people it is a completely different matter. Its a bit like if your mum died and then someone made a ya mam joke towards you. 
5608
5609
5610Sand master
5611#G92wf5iG 2008/10/27 21:01
5612Well, Big Pile of Poo, as I said before, everything is relative... One could consider it insulting if I kindly stated that I don't believe in their ideas, thinking that I am pounding on their system of belief. Some would think it is insulting that I make jokes because I am making a fool out of them. Some may feel that it is insulting that I would call them morons and other slurs of various types, because...well...I want you to think real hard about that one.
5613
5614Some pople might NOT get insulted by anything I say as well.
5615
5616I do think that we have no way to determing what is wrong and right in humanity as we are all mutations of one another, and that makes us a very annoying jumble of mutative genetics.
5617
5618Not to mention that I think that joking is slightly fit for the situation, as this debate has been witness to some of the most extreme (and funniest) irony I have ever seen!
5619
5620
5621big pile of poo
5622#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/27 23:13
5623I dont really care what you think to be honest with you. Im fed up of people saying things like that. I made a point and all you had to do was say that SOME people not all but some would find it rude or obnoxious. I didnt say everyone would did I. Why is it that you and torture king seem to think that you are so clever that you have to protest against a true comment just because you have been involved in a comment. I didnt insult, downgrade, or disprove you in any way I was simply saying that making jokes like that about a topic like this could insult some people. There is no way around that fact because it is true. 
5624Yes some people will be insulted for simply saying that you dont believe but that cannot be helped. But your sarcasm can be helped. Its called self control
5625
5626
5627! ! ! !
5628#uWTwXqU8 2008/10/28 06:10
5629I don't usually come on this comments board,Iprobably won't again for a long time,but I'm throwing in a random debate topic:
5630If there is an absolute zero temperature,can things be below this temperature?
5631
5632
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5634#1hpvCCw6 2008/10/28 06:20
5635! ! ! ! there is an absolute zero. its the temperature where all molecular motion stops. google it up some time. and big pile of poo: i think ill have to side with sand master on one point- people get insulted far too easily. anything can be perceived as an insult(even this) and thus it is impossible. sarcasm isn't just a case of self control either (although its a conscious effort to be sarcastic for some). some people are just always sarcastic. you either learn to live with it or ignore them. unfortunately, thus is life, doing this with almost anything that happens.
5636
5637
5638Torture King
5639#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/28 07:02
5640well thats their problem, isn't it?
5641
5642When Cortes landed in the Aztec Empire, out of respect for his cammander status: they slit the throat of a thirteen yearold in front of him. this is probolly what convinced him to wipe their empire out.
5643
5644the mongolian doomsday already came! in 1999 the mongolian antichrist was supposed to show-up on a decapitated horse, and shoot everyone with flaming arrows.
5645
5646Ive got nothing more for now.
5647
5648
5649! ! ! !
5650#uWTwXqU8 2008/10/28 07:26
5651b0mb:
5652i know that, i'm just wondering:Could there be anything below it?
5653
5654
5655b0mb
5656#1hpvCCw6 2008/10/28 08:54
5657! ! ! ! of course there's a lower temperature than absolute zero. its no energy at a MOLECULAR level. if there is any energy at any level particles can get colder. until we know if there are smaller particles than quarks we can't know for sure, however.
5658
5659
5660Ytrius
5661#CXdTNlGN 2008/10/28 12:03
5662Conversation here is much more refined than that of powder game.
5663
5664
5665big pile of poo
5666#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/28 16:32
5667Bomb
5668If anybody would actually properly read anything then we would avoid things like this. I did not deny the fact that some people get easily offended. I actually agreed with sand master with that one because some people do. But I said that some people would get offended at what he and a few others were doing. Some people who do not easily get offended would get offended by religious jokes and so therefore out of respect for them we should not make jokes like that. I did not say anything that could of been protested as false because what I was saying was true. Also if you are stopping yourself from doing anything that you would usually do then you are controling yourself arent you? If you are controllling yourself then you are using self control arent you? If he stopped using sarcasm then he would be using self control so I see no point in you protesting that fact.
5669
5670
5671Back on topic
5672If the absolute zero temperature is the lowest temperature that anything can get then how can we get a temperature lower than that? Unless I am misinterpreting the meaning of absolute zero temperature.
5673
5674
5675Torture King
5676#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/28 17:48
5677second bpop on absolute zero: zero always has, and always will be a barrier number, numbers do exist past zero, but they do not exist on our plane.
5678
5679
5680kyoto
5681#o9gp7hFl 2008/10/28 23:10
5682i have fond that book sand master
5683
5684
5685b0mb
5686#1hpvCCw6 2008/10/29 04:59
5687julian, if that's your opinion, then go to a different board. SOME of us try to have serious discussions. and sorry big pile of poo, if i misinterpreted what you said.
5688
5689
5690Question
5691#PIF69ODb 2008/10/29 07:05
5692How much is infinity?
5693When do numbers stop? If they do not, how is infinity created?
5694
5695
5696darkassasin333
5697#5isbPR0q 2008/10/29 12:23
5698infinity is one number higher then u counted or could count
5699
5700
5701big pile of poo
5702#EmCxmJK2 2008/10/29 17:32
5703The term infinty has a lot of different meanings for the different uses that it has. For example some view it simply as a large number or amount and others see it as an endless amount that cannot be measured or calculated in any way. The symbol of infinty which is that horizontal 8 says to me that it is an endless loop that cannot be meausured because to measure it you would have to work out value of the entire loop and figure out what meaning one part of the loop would have in connection with another.
5704However I also percieve it as something unexplorable or unfound as of yet (which kind of links in with your definition darkassasin). I know that this isnt scientific evidence but think of when buzz lightyear says "to infinity and beyond." If infinity was an endless loop or a large amount then how could he enter infinty.
5705There are a lot of different meanings to infinity and I dont think scientists have agreed on a meaning yet.
5706
5707
5708Sand master
5709#G92wf5iG 2008/10/30 01:55
5710I think someone blocked my posting for a while...
5711
5712Infinity is a symbol representing an undefined infinite number, but used in equations, it is temporarily defined as a number in itself for the equation to work.
5713
5714NEED TO UPDATE DEBATE
5715
5716If you want to know about our first few discussions of infinity, which I recall Big Pile of Poo was not participating in yet, you could email me at vinter60@gmail.com and I will send you a full copy of the debate (up to my last update...I might not manage to brind it to the present instantly).
5717
5718I managed to prove the existance of an infinite number, which is what I represent using the term 'infinity.' If you use the term infinitesimal, the number represented is 1.0_1 (0_=0 repreated). This number cannot exist without infinity, and vice versa.
5719
5720If you try and count to infinity, you would have passed the number an infinite amount of times, and yet never reach the number in the end!
5721
5722
5723Question
5724#PIF69ODb 2008/10/30 02:19
5725How does one proceed to solve an equation of the form:
5726
5727a^x + x^b = c
5728
5729Where x is the unknown (real or complex) and a, b, c real constants.
5730
5731Or at least if you know a line of attack.
5732
5733
5734Sand master
5735#G92wf5iG 2008/10/30 02:44
5736UPDATED THE DEBATE!
5737
5738I find it quite odd that while debating, we (well, mostly me) speak of topics not necessarily connected to this website, but still in relation tot he debate itself.
5739Mainly me sttating that I have a word document of the entire debate, the edia of publishing it, etc.
5740
5741
5742! ! ! !
5743#uWTwXqU8 2008/10/30 04:02
5744well,if the universe is infinite than everything is infinte.Here is an example:
5745think of the number 1. It has infinity parts,and those infinity parts also have infinity parts,and so on, and so on.So,technacally,everything is infinte.
5746
5747
5748Sand master
5749#G92wf5iG 2008/10/30 10:06
5750I have stated that already, for those of you who haven't seen the beggining of the debate.
5751
5752
5753Torture King
5754#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/31 05:43
5755i remember when it fit one page....
5756
5757
5758Torture King
5759#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/31 08:21
5760it started over a paradoxic question, did it not?
5761
5762
5763Torture King
5764#MWBbOqwi 2008/10/31 08:21
5765it started over a paradoxic question, did it not?
5766
5767
5768big pile of poo
5769#EmCxmJK2 2008/11/01 02:11
5770I dont think that I joined the debate at the start did I? Maybe I did. I dont know but I do know that it is starting to diminish a bit. The debates now are nothing compared to what they used to be. Jeez we are all talking like old men
5771
5772
5773big pile of poo
5774#EmCxmJK2 2008/11/01 02:20
5775And by the way sand master could you e-mail me a copy of the debate at 09t1spencerc@byrchall.wigan.sch.uk.
5776I tried to e-mail you but it wont let me.
5777
5778
5779Sand Master (LG)
5780#AFx0GU6D 2008/11/01 03:08
5781Sure. I can do it in a few hours when I reach the computer with the full copy.
5782
5783
5784b0mb
5785#1hpvCCw6 2008/11/01 09:06
5786how about this for a debate: what is the true nature of thought?
5787
5788
5789Torture King
5790#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/01 12:35
5791(back in black)
5792
5793i think thought is only available to animals that hunt, for they need to memorize, and stratigize in order to get food. a cow only needs instinct to eat grass.
5794
5795
5796Sand master
5797#G92wf5iG 2008/11/01 12:56
5798Well, thought is a capability of all things, but it is shown to be simpler with different requirements.
5799
5800
5801! ! ! !
5802#uWTwXqU8 2008/11/02 06:49
5803Thought is created by eletrical pulses,so my best guess is pure energy;the feeling of power
5804
5805
5806guy from OZ
5807#ZMIUaVcA 2008/11/02 08:43
5808what r u guys talkin about? ur just sitting around here day by day arguing about...... whatever u were talking about.
5809why dont u actually play the games u chat on?!
5810instead of this?!?!
5811
5812
5813Torture King
5814#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/02 19:14
5815debating not arguing, arguing involves flames, this only involves intelligent discussion
5816
5817
5818Sand Master (LG)
5819#jd8MWBly 2008/11/02 23:47
5820This debate is more popular than the game itself, I believe.
5821
5822
5823Torture King
5824#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/03 07:44
5825true, true. i havnt played EE in 2, maybe three months.
5826
5827
5828guy from OZ
5829#ZMIUaVcA 2008/11/03 15:46
5830BTW: i still havent got an answer to my question and if you would be so kind as to just put aside your...... intelligent discussion.... for 5 seconds? then u can get back to debating as soon as ive got my answer.
5831
5832
5833Torture King
5834#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/03 19:27
5835what question is that?
5836
5837
5838Sand master
5839#G92wf5iG 2008/11/03 21:24
5840This game died before SR was made. The uploading died down when not enough people played it. There won't be updates for a while even if there was suddenly one now.
5841
5842
5843pwn guy
5844#usiony1D 2008/11/03 21:48
5845yo if any1 still cares about this old debate who actually belives in any kind of god??i use god as in some1 with a high anount in abilaty(if some1 took over a continit i would call him/her a god)
5846
5847
5848pwn guy
5849#usiony1D 2008/11/03 21:50
5850why belive in a god if theres no proof? the only proof of heavin and hell is a book witch some1 couldive just wrote in lol(the bible)
5851
5852
5853Torture King
5854#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/03 23:43
5855pwn guy, why is it that you think christianity is the only religon? if the bible is wrong then what of the Koran? Confucius' Teachings? 
5856
5857also a typical "god" is not just powerful, thier supposed to be long lived ethier by potion or natural, be associated with one or more attributes of nature or civilisation, and be highly jealous of the worship of other deitys.
5858
5859(Jehova fits this catagorie, as does Lucifer, and most ancient pantheons.)
5860
5861((Im currently experimenting with Taoism))
5862
5863
5864Sand Master (LG)
5865#ajqyAR5e 2008/11/03 23:47
5866If you looked back, we have discussed such numerous times, pwn guy.
5867
5868I persoanlly never liked someone watching my every move...like he was out to get me...so if I never proved him wrong, I still wouldn't like the concept anyways.
5869
5870
5871DRA4
5872#mIUP2h2Z 2008/11/03 23:48
5873Are you kidding me!?! this ridiculous religious debate is still on!?! you guys need to calm down...or see a doctor.
5874
5875
5876Sand Master
5877#BfDN7B5S 2008/11/04 02:43
5878We see our extended debate as a pillar of glory on the EE comments board.
5879
5880
5881DRA4
5882#qDYiprai 2008/11/04 04:55
5883uh huh...soooo you guys think this crazy debate is glorious...yay worship it.
5884
5885
5886Torture King
5887#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/04 12:58
5888(off topic nonsense induced by 24 hours without sleep) Whats on your pedastall? ANOTHER PEDASTALL!!
5889
5890
5891Isnt that the whole concept of a sheperd though? I also find it hilarious that the bible refers to humanity as sheep. It suggests a deeper meaning than protection, like: Why does he have the sheep? Does he intend to have them for wool or for meat? Both? Is that why we're without fur? Or is it an insult? Ive seen sheep jump one-by-one over a gate tha doesnt exist. Is that a metaphor for us fighting wars that were resolved years before? Perhaps it refers to the fact that we (well not me, ive got a behavior disorder) like to group into genres? If you attempt to read the text not literally from theologically, you might dig up some scary stuff.
5892
5893
5894SM(LG)
5895#EXyU7DBd 2008/11/05 04:04
5896Well, anything can be reinterpreted into something else.
5897If you eat spaghetti and meatballs, you take:
5898A: Wheat harvested by being ripped off of their plants like breaking twigs, being crushed, drowned, cooked (in a way), boiled in water that is incapable of supporting life, and mashed on a plate.
5899B: Cows, pigs, or other animals having their head chopped off, taking their innards out, grinding out their lean areas into mush and balling them into small round balls.
5900C: Milk forced from the teat of a cow, extracting the liquids to make solid material, grinding it up, and spreading it all over your ground meat and wheat.
5901
5902That’s the general food industry!
5903
5904
5905Torture King
5906#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/05 07:12
5907its fun breaking peace filled subjects into brutal agendas, shall we continue?
5908
5909
5910b0mb
5911#1hpvCCw6 2008/11/05 09:16
5912yeah. why back to religion tho lol? and yes, thought is electrical impulses. but how much do we understand it? we can translate those impulses into a series of commands, but can we actually interpret them into commands by looking?
5913(not sure if this debate was completely killed or just shelved for a day or so)
5914
5915
5916big pile of poo
5917#EmCxmJK2 2008/11/05 16:17
5918I'm not sure what debate is going on here so Ill just answer the first few that I saw.
5919The bible does call humanity God's sheep and I at first thought what you thought torture king but as you read more of the bible you realise that his people are called his sheep because he guides, protects (to an extent) and provides for them. The bible says that he cares for his people like sheep but doesnt say he uses them like sheep.
5920And sand master why is it that you dont like the thought of a higher and more powerful being watching you? Is it because you dont like the things that you do and wish no-one to witness them? If you did believe in the God of christianity would you not find it comforting to know that someone was looking out for you and guiding you?
5921We need to try and keep a debate up because at the minute the spammers are seeing empty debates and trying to fill it in with nothing of any apparent interest 
5922
5923
5924Sand master
5925#G92wf5iG 2008/11/06 05:37
5926(Sarcasm)Well, I'm not too sure...I mean, proving someone doesn't exist mathematically can really tick someone off (this only works well in a real-time debate).
5927
5928And by guiding me, I'm guessing that my faith of him guiding me would be that he guides me THROUGH faith. My premise is based entirely on my conclusion, and if I am not faithful there is no way He can guide me.
5929
5930
5931Torture King
5932#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/06 07:20
5933Yay! obama won! tax raises in the midst of a failing economy all around!
5934
5935
5936buttnugget
5937#wKKajtnk 2008/11/06 07:38
5938obama is leting teerists into amarica you know that right
5939
5940
5941buttnugget
5942#wKKajtnk 2008/11/06 07:39
5943obama pees his pants
5944
5945
5946Torture King
5947#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/06 08:19
5948that was uncalled for
5949
5950
5951guy from OZ
5952#ZMIUaVcA 2008/11/06 14:07
5953neither was ur last comment Torture King
5954
5955
5956Sand Master
5957#WObgY24N 2008/11/06 21:55
5958Well, taxes would probably not be as bad as the "National Moose Brigade" or something Palin would approve of.
5959
5960
5961kyoto
5962#2ESdvHd0 2008/11/06 21:57
5963the kkk i not happy because obama is the PREIDENT
5964
5965
5966pwn guy
5967#usiony1D 2008/11/07 11:03
5968i havn't been on 4 a wille but anyway, i don't think critinage is the only one i just use it as an example and seariosly though i don't belive in any race because there's no proof
5969
5970
5971pwn guy
5972#usiony1D 2008/11/07 11:09
5973um anyway you people can continue your debate i just wanted to hav an awnser.also i've foundthat anfdw(or wut ever)was odd
5974
5975
5976Sand master
5977#G92wf5iG 2008/11/07 12:15
5978Pardon?
5979
5980
5981Torture King
5982#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/08 08:07
5983i was refering to the ridiculous rumor that Obama is half-arab. (which shoudnt affect ruling ability anyways.)
5984
5985It is well known in the congo that if you piss off the village shaman, you wont be found in your bed the next day.
5986
5987(Navajo proverb) Cherish youth, but trust old age.
5988
5989(Iroquios proverb) If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both.
5990
5991
5992EmoChick25
5993#3k1sSgV7 2008/11/08 08:30
5994He Won!
5995
5996
5997Sand master
5998#G92wf5iG 2008/11/08 09:06
5999Now lets hope he doesn't screw up.
6000
6001
6002Torture King
6003#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/08 14:12
6004another FDR? that'd be good in the state we're in.
6005
6006
6007Sand master
6008#G92wf5iG 2008/11/09 02:26
6009I don't know...FDR's New Deal didn't work out very well eighty years later...
6010
6011
6012big pile of poo
6013#EmCxmJK2 2008/11/09 03:22
6014Sorry I havent been posting for a while guys.
6015Did you know that there have been 2 assassination plots against obama foiled in the last few months. I know that this sounds awful and I dont mean it to be racist or anything but I reckon he could get assassinated within the next few years. There are a lot of people who hate him simply because he is the first black US president and that was the reason behind the previos assassination plots.
6016Plus theres the fact that tax rises and other moneytary problems are inevitable whilst he is ruling so he will be hated even more for being forced to bring these things into place.
6017
6018
6019Torture King
6020#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/09 16:16
6021maybe we should start selling tech to not as learned countrys, that would both raise money, and provide future buiness opportunitys
6022
6023
6024Torture King
6025#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/09 23:51
6026wait, if US is in the black, who the heck is rich now? Ethiopia? some other country that doesnt let itself known about often? or is the whole world in a negative, and some aleins on the far off planet of... Zanzougoosa reaping the benifit?!?
6027
6028(sorry its 7 am and im nocturnal)
6029
6030
6031big pile of poo
6032#EmCxmJK2 2008/11/10 16:39
6033I was thinking a couple of days ago about animation and wondered how we are animated. Because I do my own stop motion animations I am very well aware of what distances I need to move an object if it is to move at a certain speed and I started asking myself if there is a jump from one point too another whilst we are moving (like in animation). Surely there has to be a shift from one point to another rather than a smooth movement at some microscopically small level. This shift would be very very small and we would not be able to measure it with the equipment that we have. 
6034
6035
6036Sand master
6037#G92wf5iG 2008/11/10 20:57
6038That shift is infinitesimal, as any measureable instantaneous movement is considered an infinite distance.
6039
6040So I guess the answer is no, or the slightest movement will send anyone flying into space.
6041
6042
6043Sand Master (LG)
6044#ajqyAR5e 2008/11/10 23:30
6045To answer your question on November 1st, BPoP, you joined relatively late in the debate, not too long after afrew started insulting us.
6046
6047That's still about half of our debate, but I seem to exagerate about the length of our conversations before August.
6048
6049
6050Torture King
6051#MWBbOqwi 2008/11/11 03:32
6052that was Zenos arrow paradox, wasnt it?
6053
6054
6055question
6056#rIkt0uz3 2008/11/11 06:40
6057work this out, very hard: if pie is 8 and pizza is 7, what is mushy pie? (random made up food) and it gets kicked by the legend him self, chuck norris!=?? if you get this right il be your slavee
6058
6059
6060big pile of poo
6061#EmCxmJK2 2008/11/12 22:01
6062But if there is a shift despite how small it is then it can be said that movement is a stream of warps of living and none living matter.
6063Im not disagreeing with you Im just stating the other side of what I was thinking. Im not sure as to what happens myself.
6064
6065
6066Sand Master (LG)
6067#ajqyAR5e 2008/11/13 02:35
6068Are you stating that every movement is an interaction with a 'side dimension?' (read 'plane theory' earlier in the debate)
6069
6070
6071big pile of poo
6072#EmCxmJK2 2008/11/13 20:30
6073No Im not going into other dimensions and things like that I just mean an instant shift or warp from one place to another. Really we cant be entirely sure about the nature of movement and I doubt any technology will be developed to correctly answer this question. The reason for this is because this technology would have to have the ability to recalculate every infinith of a second in order to keep up with this movement. It would also need to be able to accurately measure incredibly small distances and whilst this is possible, it would be very time consuming and very very expensive. 
6074
6075
6076Torture King
6077#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/14 08:30
6078just more proof of our faulty numerical system that we based EVERYTHING on, eh?
6079
6080
6081Torture King
6082#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/14 08:31
6083no, not faulty. it still works, but it contridicts itself too much to be called a science. (forgeting the fact that sciences require the subject)
6084
6085
6086Sand Master
6087#BfDN7B5S 2008/11/15 01:03
6088Technically, EVERYTHING contradicts itself.
6089
6090
6091Torture King
6092#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/15 01:23
6093"I dont suffer from insanity;"
6094"I enjoy every last minute of it!"
6095- myself...
6096
6097
6098what?.....
6099#BBtj9SIy 2008/11/15 11:15
6100If EVERYTHING contradicts itself why do you contradict about what you think does not
6101
6102
6103Sand Master (LG)
6104#WObgY24N 2008/11/17 22:23
6105The debate certainly has slowed down, hasn't it?
6106
6107
6108Torture King
6109#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/18 11:30
6110(to sand master) like a one-legged man.
6111
6112(to what?.....) What?.....
6113
6114(random quote from a gamer buddy of mine) "Go with God, if not God: Satan, if not Satan: Buddha, if not Buddha: Allah, if not Allah: Shiva, if not Shiva: Zeus, if not Zeus: Tao, if not Tao, you're screwed becausse only divine intervetion can save you now! Ha Ha!"
6115
6116Needless to say I prayed to them all (but satan as he is not divine, but the servant of divinity and thus powerless outside his realm) and was thus defeated for my lack of faith towards whomever really is in charge by praying to false Idols as well.
6117
6118
6119Torture King
6120#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/18 11:31
6121Or maybe I failed because Satan spited me for not praying to him..
6122
6123
6124guy from OZ
6125#ZMIUaVcA 2008/11/18 15:03
6126being nocturnal isnt cool man, thats being dumb
6127
6128
6129Sand Master
6130#ajqyAR5e 2008/11/20 01:09
6131I can't really imagine the debate actually ending...I mean, we've been debating since JUNE...
6132
6133
6134Torture King
6135#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/21 06:52
6136"We see the hally Ventum, speil a little Dot A. Pusha pull spic ham, und mutzal mella mic ham. We see the hally Ventum, speil a little Dot A. Spinga realla creepa und mutzal vila sleepa." "We're sitting here in Ventrilo, playing some Dot A (world of warcraft 3). We push on and we're owning, with the opponents we're toying. We're sitting here in Ventrilo, playing some Dot A. Running around creeping, the opponents we're sleeping." -Basshunter, Dot A
6137
6138
6139Torture King
6140#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/21 06:54
6141it already ended, im working on some necromancy to revive it though, so dont worry!
6142
6143
6144Sand Master (LG)
6145#ajqyAR5e 2008/11/21 22:07
6146It's not over until there's no one left standing!
6147
6148
6149big pile of poo
6150#EmCxmJK2 2008/11/22 18:04
6151What is going on with this place now?
6152Is the debate still going or is is just a load of random nonsense that we are talking about now. 
6153Sorry that I havent been posting for a while but I have seen this coming for quite a while now. We are gonna have to work hard to get this debate back up to the standard it was.
6154
6155
6156Torture King
6157#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/23 10:44
6158im just going with the flow of randomness until theres a question that intersts me.
6159
6160
6161bluestorm
6162#aDcmUq66 2008/11/23 11:54
6163does anyone know when the next solar eclipse will be and where it will show?
6164
6165
6166Torture King
6167#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/23 12:04
6168(criptic answer) yes, someone probally knows. do i? no.
6169^^^^^^^^^spelled wrong
6170
6171
6172guy from OZ
6173#iy5hsuwO 2008/11/23 13:33
6174you are weird man.
6175just give a straight answer you nerd
6176
6177
6178maybe tomorrow
6179#Lkfh8qQ1 2008/11/23 15:02
6180HI SANDMASTER!!!
6181
6182
6183Torture King II
6184#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/24 07:52
6185Why am i typing this?
6186I have no idea.
6187Did i just type back?
6188No. This is but a halucination induced by four fricken HOURS of BASSHUNTER techno.
6189Than whats that^?
6190Beats me.
6191And you are?
6192Napoleon Bonaparte. Bonjuore.
6193Again, Why am i typing this?
6194You arn't.
6195Right, and I'm the King of Spain.
6196You are? Carlos? You traitor! I'll see your head from your shoulders!
6197Dude, not really. The wars over.
6198What? When?
6199(I must be schitzephrinic or something too.) Eighteenth century.
6200Thats now you fool!
6201Actually its the Twenty-first.
6202Oh.. Then i must be Stalin.
6203?
6204I'm acually the personification of your battle tactics in Ghost Recon and Civ 4.
6205I see.
6206Do you?
6207No.
6208Hows this: You.. Are... Insane.
6209Everyones insane, some people are just better at hiding it than others.
6210Touche.
6211Touch what?
6212Touche not touch.
6213I thought the e was silent.
6214Not in french.
6215If you me, then how come i didn't know that?
6216You did, you were just testing me.
6217And you knew this how?
6218I'm a halucination drawn from the fabic of YOUR mind. I know everything you do.
6219And nothing i don't?
6220Exactly.
6221I have to tell you, it is quite strange having a conversation with someone who doesn't exist.
6222It's even stranger having a conversation knowing that you don't exist.
6223Maybe i don't.
6224You think that I'm halucinating that I'm a halucination?
6225It's possible.
6226Yes, but I beleive it's far more likly that that I'm your twin.
6227You mean that condition where one twin absorbs the other?
6228Yeah, it would explain why we're even able to have a proper conversation.
6229In my- ours heads- head... I'm just gonna refer to it as mine since I'm in control.
6230Fine by me.
6231Am i really halucinating?
6232Probally not, it's not like techno can do that.
6233Epilipsy?
6234Why bring that up?
6235Viking blood.
6236Well that would explain the arm-twitchy thing.
6237If i say you're not real, will you go away?
6238
6239Shoot, and i was just getting to like him.
6240
6241
6242Torture King II
6243#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/24 07:55
6244conversing with "The General" I talk with him every weekend.
6245
6246
6247guy from OZ
6248#iy5hsuwO 2008/11/24 18:31
6249that was...... wow that was the funniest thing youve ever said actually.
6250
6251
6252Sand Master
6253#6BskH1YW 2008/11/24 23:18
6254HI MAYBE TOMORROW!
6255
6256I actually almost wanted to have something like that for a second there...(on Torture King's conversation)
6257
6258I sense that the angrier we get on this debate, the more popular it becomes. When the flaming dies out, it suddenly falls to two or three people...
6259
6260
6261Torture King
6262#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/25 13:19
6263technicaly i only said half of it.
6264
6265
6266Sand Master (LG)
6267#ajqyAR5e 2008/11/26 00:27
6268Well, no, because as a figment of your imagination he is a part of you as well. It's like when you thought (probably subconsciously) of the brain as a separate entity:
6269
6270On 21/7/2008:
6271"Whos REALLY in control? YOU or YOUR BRAIN?"
6272
6273
6274Sand Master
6275#ajqyAR5e 2008/11/26 04:01
6276I forget how exactly, but I have found an equation that allows you to track square numbers:
6277
62781 4 9 16 25 36
62791 2 3 4 5 6
6280
6281As you can see, the squares are being added (N+2 to the previous square):
62821 +3(4) +5(9) +7(16) +9 (25) +11(36)...
6283
6284I figured it out when I saw a diagram based on proving a completely unrelated point. It isn't a new concept, but I thought it was an interesting thing to point out...
6285
6286
6287Torture King
6288#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/26 10:53
6289to be completly honest, i have ten such persons in my mind: The General, The Psycho Killer, The Religous Fanatic, The Scientist, (hes responsable for about half of my out-worldly theorys, such as the energy membrane) The Intrepid Explorer, The Martial Artist, The Linguist, (i dont listen to him often) The Mathmatician, (newly created) The Inventor, and The Navagator. (keeps track of the maps that The Intrepid Explorer draws out in his- our heads- head.) 
6290
6291
6292Torture King II
6293#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/26 10:54
6294So you just add the odd numbers together? Brilliant!!
6295
6296
6297Sand Master
6298#ajqyAR5e 2008/11/27 00:17
6299Only if SandShifter still uses the forum, lafe...(old story)
6300
6301Why not just make an all-purpose single entity in your head? You seem to have a lot of control over it...
6302
6303
6304lafe
6305#6Is7T1DH 2008/11/27 02:30
6306? are you sand shifter ?
6307i have only used the forum for a few months
6308
6309
6310Sand master
6311#G92wf5iG 2008/11/27 06:30
6312As I said...Old story...
6313Brings back memories...
6314
6315But now he's gone and I remain, and I begin anew...
6316Speaking of new, you heard they finally got an image of a planet not in our solar system (actually, this is OLD news...)?
6317
6318
6319Torture King
6320#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/28 10:18
6321i actually have an account there too thank you.
6322
6323
6324Torture King
6325#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/28 16:23
6326im afraid he would render me insane, plus this way i never get bored. ( they argue ALOT.)
6327
6328
6329Sand master
6330#G92wf5iG 2008/11/29 13:29
6331what insane? was a post deleted?
6332
6333
6334alex
6335#YplHkxrv 2008/11/29 13:36
6336i tried to make two imaginary friends when i was four but i had dspicy tacos and imagined them killing eachother... since then ive stopped imagining.
6337
6338
6339Torture King II
6340#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/29 14:12
6341"Why not just make an all-purpose single entity in your head? You seem to have a lot of control over it..."
6342
6343
6344Torture King II
6345#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/29 19:45
6346alex, just imagine them as zombies. im sure the brain-related topics would make for ecxellent conversation.
6347
6348
6349Sand master
6350#G92wf5iG 2008/11/29 23:36
6351Most people say that if you have voices in your head you already ARE insane.
6352There is a difference between being insane and being crazy...
6353
6354
6355dont call methat
6356#eHrdbpij 2008/11/30 04:00
6357sand has a point there...
6358
6359
6360Iname as One
6361#R5EHtAZu 2008/11/30 14:47
6362Wow, I haven't been in here since summer...
6363
6364I guess it was foolish of me to hope that the old argument was still going on. :(
6365
6366I always found it interesting to read all the scientific/religious stuff people had to say.
6367
6368
6369Torture King
6370#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/30 19:06
6371funny, the voices actually like to remind me that there not real in the slightist. a true halucination would try to convince me that what was happening was real, does that mean that because they know that there not real, there real?
6372
6373
6374Torture King
6375#Lz9e3p9V 2008/11/30 19:07
6376or maybe they want me to come to that conclusion, prolonging there existence with my curosity as a fuel.
6377
6378
6379Sand Master
6380#ajqyAR5e 2008/12/01 22:03
6381Iname as One, we're still on the same debate, just a new topic.
6382
6383Or maybe because they are entities of your subconscious, and believe that they are not real, you believe subconsciously that they are not real, and you are therefore perfectly sane.
6384
6385
6386Sand Master
6387#6BskH1YW 2008/12/01 22:26
6388Torture King, I don't recall giving you a copy of the debate...this comments board alone isn't going to be very helpful...we've lost 2 months of content due to the comments limit...
6389
6390
6391Torture King
6392#Lz9e3p9V 2008/12/02 11:04
6393k, my E-mail is --------.
6394
6395
6396Torture King
6397#Lz9e3p9V 2008/12/02 16:12
6398beleving i dont have a subconsous sounds insane to me
6399
6400
6401Sand Master
6402#ajqyAR5e 2008/12/02 22:08
6403I never said you don't believe in the existance of a subconscious. I said that if entities from your subconscious deny their existance, then your subconscious undertands that they are a hallucination, and therefore you are perfectly sane.