· 9 years ago · Aug 08, 2016, 01:57 AM
1>I have often seen public telivision stations (the only ones who seem to have
2>enough intelligence to show Dr. Who) offering instructions to knit or otherwise
3>make a Dr. Who (Tom Baker) Scarf. These have always somehow eluded me. Does
4>anyone know where I can get them?
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7>Andrew Schmidt
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11Here's a pattern that someone gave me - my mother and sister knitted it
12for a X-mas present last year. The person who gave it to me is
13'drwho@athena.mit.edu' Hope some of you are interested in it:
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16 Here is the official BBC pattern: USe no.9 american needles, and start by
17chaining 60 stitches. Always slip the first stitch of each row. Make rows in
18the following order:
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208 purple 8 mustard 12 grey
2152 camel 18 rust 8 mustard
2216 bronze 8 purple 20 bronze
2310 mustard 38 bronze 10 purple
2422 rust 10 camel 12 camel
258 purple 8 grey 32 grey
2620 green 40 rust 10 rust
278 mustard 14 mustard 16 mustard
2828 camel 20 green
2914 rust 8 purple
308 bronze 42 camel
3110 purple 12 bronze
3242 green (where I am right now) 20 grey
338 mustard 8 rust
3416 grey 12 purple
358 rust 6 camel
3654 camel 14 mustard
3710 purple 54 green
3812 green 16 rust
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40how much you'll need: 6oz wool of camel, 4 oz of "greenish brown" (try to get
41almost an amalgam of the two colors, 4 oz of rust, 4 oz of bronze, 3 oz each of
42purple, grey and mustard.
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44afterwards: make 7 tassels of each end, each made up of 1 foot starnds of each
45of the 7 colors.
46
47I like the way mine turned out, I hope yours does as well!
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51* Richard L. Carreiro GO CELTS! * He did it! He did it! *
52* rlcarr@athena.mit.edu * Flutie did it! He did it! *
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57** SPOILERS FROM TIME AND THE RANI ** SPOILERS FROM TIME AND THE RANI **
58
59A while back, I posted a request for all those funny mis-sayings that
60Sylvester McCoy spouted forth in TIME AND THE RANI. Well, thanks to
61all of you who sent in your quotes! But the most complete version
62came from these folks, who had everything I had and more.
63
64Their info is posted below...
65
66
67"Time and the Rani" Malapropisms
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69
70Episode 1)
71~~~~~~~~~~
72Fit as a trombone.
73A bad workman always blames his fools.
74Won't be a jiffy.
75Absence makes the nose grow longer.
76
77
78Episode 2)
79~~~~~~~~~~
80More hasta less vista.
81A kangaroo never forgets.
82"Stop the Melodramatics"
83 { While not a malapropism, a truly WONDERFUL pun reminiscent
84 of Colin Baker's Doctor. }
85The proof of the pumpkin is in the squeezing.
86Where there's a will, there's a Tom, Dick and Harriot.
87
88
89Episode 3)
90~~~~~~~~~~
91All good things come to a bend.
92There's none so deaf as those that clutch at straws.
93A bird in the hand keeps the Doctor away.
94Out of the frying pan into the mire.
95
96
97Episode 4)
98~~~~~~~~~~
99A fool and his formula are soon parted. (as Brain)
100Blessed are the piemakers for they shall make light pastry. (as Brain)
101Every dogma has its day. (as Brain)
102Does that mean, the faster a fat man runs, the fatter he'll get. (as Brain)
103 { An EXCELLENT application of general relativity! }
104Two wrongs don't make a left turn... RIGHT!
105"Leave the quotes to the expert, Mel."
106He who dares, Spins. (?)
107* "That means Shakespeare, Michaelangelo, Louis Pasteur, Elvis, even Mrs.
108 Malaprop will never have existed."
109 ~~~~~~~~
110 { ...always name your sources!... }
111As you snore so shall you sleep
112Waste net, want net.
113 { hehehe! I thought of USENET when I heard this one. }
114Where there's a will, there's a ... benificiary.
115All hands to the stumps.
116A miss is as good as a smile.
117Memory like a dromedary.
118Time and tide melts the Snowman.
119
120Permission to reprint the previous drek is granted. Just be sure to
121credit "Bill Eggleston" and myself, "Chris Cooley" for our submission.
122
123
124<<Eric's note: Nah, I'll let you credit yourselves! Thanks, guys!>>
125
126- ERIC - * Another proud CoCo 3 user *
127
128
129
130Answers to frequently asked questions:
131
1321. What is the Doctor's name?
133
134The main character of "Doctor Who" has been referred to by several
135different labels. These include:
136
137Theta Sigma, used by Drax on the Planet of the Shadow (The Armageddon
138Factor). This is supposedly an old school name.
139
140Doctor Who, has been used in a couple episodes, most notably The War
141Machines, were WOTAN is calling for "Doctor Who". The role was credited
142as "Doctor Who" until Castrovalva, where the name changed to:
143
144The Doctor. This seems to be what he is called most often.
145
146Doctor van Wer, was used in The Highlanders.
147
148In Colony in Space, a name was presented, but was unreadable, on a
149Gallifreyan computer.
150
151Dr. Caligari was used in The Gunfighters.
152
153Dr. Foreman was hinted at in An Unearthly Child.
154
155Dr. John Smith was the alias the Doctor used while he was UNIT's unpaid
156scientific advisor.
157
158In The Trial of a Time Lord, one section of the matrix had the Doctor
159almost saying his name while on Revlux. He never finishes the sentence.
160
1612. Please explain Romana's regeneration.
162
163There is not good explanation, but net discussions have yielded these
164possibilities:
165
166a: Romana is wasteful
167b: Romana had achieved a higher level in the Academy, and hence the
168ability to "try-on bodies"
169c: Romana, unlike the Doctor, regenerated "Without Stress". What I
170mean by this is that the Doctor could choose and "Try-on bodies" like
171Romana did *IF* there was no stress about his regeneration.
172d: Romana used a holographic technique to present different possible
173appearances for her body before regenerating into the chosen shape.
174
1753. Will there ever be a woman Doctor?
176
177While it may be possible for a male<->female regeneration, it is
178unlikely that a woman will be cast as the Doctor in the near future.
179
180This whole controversy started with Tom Baker intentionally stirring
181up the hornets nest by saying when he left the part, "And I'd like
182to wish the new Doctor, whoever he or she may be..."
183
1844. Which story had an appearance John Cleese?
185
186John Cleese appeared with Eleanor Bron as art critics in City of Death.
187
1885. What is Temporal Grace?
189
190Temporal Grace is the quality which is alleged to prevent the use of
191weapons inside a TARDIS. It has not been working in the Doctor's
192TARDIS.
193
1946. Is David Agnew really a pseudonym for Douglas Adams?
195
196Yes, with Graham Williams. It was also used by Graham Williams and
197Anthony Read.
198
1997. Was Castrovalva the first Peter Davison story filmed?
200
201Castrovalva WAS the fourth Peter Davison story made. The others were
202made in advance to allow the Doctor character to settle (hard to do
203with three other characters to write for...). In order, they were:
204Four to Doomsday, The Visitation, and Kinda.
205
2068. Is it OK to discuss subjects other than Doctor Who in this
207newsgroup?
208
209Strictly speaking, this newsgroup has been set up for discussions
210about Doctor Who, however other topics do occasionally find their
211way into this group. Blake's 7 is the most frequent "intruder",
212and it is accepted by nearly every reader. Also appearing is
213The Prisoner, and other British television shows.
214
215There have been efforts to make a newsgroup for The Prisoner, and
216for British television, but they never received enough support
217to justify creation.
218
2199. What is the "Spoilers" list?
220
221The Spoilers list is a mailing list for discussions of upcoming events
222in Doctor Who. News of the new season, as well as discussions of
223episodes most people haven't seen yet can take place here. To join
224send your email address to terminus!spoilers, specify if you want
225back issues, please.
226
22710. What is wrong with Ressurection of the Daleks?
228
229The BBC shipped to Lionheart, the US distributor of Doctor Who, and
230unfinished copy of Ressurection. In the movie version, a large
231part of the second half of the story is completely lacking in sound
232effects and background music. In the episode version, Episode Two
233is similarly lacking. They've said they plan to fix it, but it has
234been broken for several years now...
235--
236James C. Armstrong, Jnr. (nicmad,ulysses,ihnp4)!terminus!nyssa
237
238"It was only a small explosion" Who said it, what story?
239
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243In article <8844@watdragon.waterloo.edu> kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) writes:
244>In article <940@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:
245>>One Cyberman in Attack was actually killed with an ordinary bullet.
246>Let's be fair here. That bullet was literally at point blank range.
247Yep.
248So was the pipe that decapitated a cyberman in the same story.
249Point is, in earlier stories, cybermen were not destroyed by bullets,
250even at point blank range. It took a hail of bullets or explosives
251at best to destroy one.
252--
253James C. Armstrong, Jr nyssa@terminus.UUCP
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256My favourite pointless villains are not the Cybermen, but the Silurians.
257(Purists would say that they're not villains, but given that they have
258one of the prime villain characteristics--skulking around in tunnels--they
259certainly qualify.)
260The Silurians all bear a remarkable resemblance to a former Prime Minister
261of Canada, the Right Hon. John George Diefenbaker (deceased), who ruled
262from 1958 to 1963. The jowls, the voice, even the green skin, make them
263dead ringers.
264I hope nobody is going to blame the Silurians on JN-T??
265
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284
285THE LEGACY OF GALLIFREY
286by Martin Wiggins, Gordon Blows,
287Trevor Phillips, and Stephen Payne
288
289 <* Part II *>
290 When he passed on the Presidency to Pandad, Rassilon had made it seem
291natural that the Presidency should stay in the Prydomian chapter. Not
292surprisingly, harsh voices were raised in dissent at his "accepted wisdom".
293Morbius, the Patrex Councillor, had the loudest. It was during this period of
294dissatisfaction that the next great event in Time Lord history occured -- Civil
295War (or really terribly uncivil war as many of the dormice-like Time Lords
296thought). Morbius, a very popular man amongst the Patrexes, and even the
297Arcalians, suddenly became a cul leader. He wanted a joint High Council, with
298representatives of all three castes working for the people, and a decree to
299make all Gallifreyans Time Lords (not just the descendents of Rassilon's
300aritsocrats). But he especially desired the Presidency.
301 If Pandad was considering either of the first two demands, he certainly
302didn't approve of the latter. And so he tried to exile Morbius and a few of
303his followers, in an effort to show his strength and resolve. But Morbius
304escaped, and travelled through time, amassing a huge army of evil to attack the
305Capitol. In the ensuing war, the loss of life was quite horrific -- with whole
306generations of Time Lords and ordinary Gallifreyans dying in the battle.
307Eventually Pandad drove Morbius' army to the planet Karn where, in a final
308confrontation, the two armies were destroyed, as was most of the planet's
309bystanding populace.
310 Morbius was captured and faced a trial on Karn -- much to the annoyance
311of the Sisterhood of Karn, or rather the survivors of it, who would have
312preferred the whole disastrous business to have taken place on Gallifrey.
313Pandad sent Morbius' army back from whence they came, and stated that Morbius
314would be the first Time Lord to be executed. During this announcement, Pandad
315misjudged his footing and stepped back over a precipice, falling to his death.
316Pandemonium ensued, and in the midst of the confusion an Arcalian Cardinal,
317Helron, managed to operate the disintegration chamber in which Morbius had been
318encased.
319 Having made reasonable peace with the Sisterhood Of Karn (the Time Lords
320agreed to protect them, if the Sisterhood supplied them with some of their
321life-giving Elixir, which allows Time Lords to regenerate properly in case
322something goes wrong with the process), Helron declared himself President and
323returned with an Arcalian council to Gallifrey. Although Morbius was regarded
324as evil, his claims had some effect on Time Lord society, and so Helron placed
325a Cardianl and a Councillor from each caste on the High Council. However, the
326President and his Chancellor would always be from the same chapter. As a
327result of these changes, Azmeal was out of a job. Not that he minded geatly as
328he set his mind to investigate the secret's of Rassilon's Matrix. Throughout
329these experiments, Azmeal always had a nagging feeling that he was only
330discovering those facts to which something, somewhere, was leading him.
331Rassilon was continuing to help the Time Lords.
332 All this time, Helron and his High Council grew increasingly wary of
333Azmeal, and possibly a little afraid of him as well. After the ex-Chancellor
334regenerated for the last time, many thousands of years after Morbius' crusade,
335Helron decided to remove Azmeal from Gallifrey. Needless to say, with his work
336still uncompleted, Azmeal resented this decision and spoke out against the High
337Council, declaring them as hypocrites. In fear of the Council's response, he
338fled Gallifrey only to be hunted down by alien employees of Helron. Angry at
339this transgression of the Laws Of Time, and at the destruction of the planet he
340was on by the warriors who were searching for him, Azmeal returned, now branded
341as the first rebegade Time Lord, and massacred Helron and his High Council.
342Immediately a new High Council came into power, decreed Azmeal Public Hero
343Number One, and allowed him to escape Gallifrey to complete his work on the
344Matrix.
345 It was during this time of reorganizing that the Academy of Time Lords
346was turning out some of its best students. It was also a time of strife as
347many Time Lords and Gallifreyans were remouncing their society, choosing to
348live on other planets or in the outer wastes of Gallifrey. These few realised
349that Rassilon was right and Gallifrey had fallen into decay.
350 In particular, three students at the academy, two Prydonians and one
351Arcalian, consistently conducted rebellious, anti-heirarchical activities. One
352was a thoroughly unpleasant egotist who liked to be known as the Master -- a
353titled earned through his constant bullying of other students. He was a very
354good cosmic theoretician, but not skilled in practice. His contemporary from
355the Prydonian chapter was known as the Doctor who, with a friend called Drax,
356spent most of his tme carrying out silly chemical experiments. The third
357dissenter was an Arcalian girl called Rani, who was brilliant at everything,
358and chemistry in particular.
359 As the three grew up, and apart, it became obvious to Cardianl Borusa
360that they had little future on Gallifrey. The Master was the first to escape,
361by gaining Professor Salyavin's permission to investigate the Academy library
362after hours, and thus discover a special book. Although the Master never found
363the book, he left Salyavin well and truly implicated in the affair. Salyavin
364was then to be imprisoned on a special Time Lord prison planet, because the
365theft of the book was a very special crime. Somewhat bitter for being
366imprisoned for not really committing a crime, Salyavin decided that to spite
367the High Council he would steal the book and take it with him. The High
368Council never knew this and so Slyavin vanished to Shada. About fifty years
369later the book was also discovered lost, but no one really cared; they had
370survived withtout it for a few thousand years, and probably wouldn't need it
371again in a hurry.
372 The Doctor, meanwhile, became a Councillor on the High Council, and for
373many years sat and watched the Universe and basically ensured that no
374violations of time took lace. However, he made it abundantly clear that he
375wanted more from life than to act as an intergalactic policeman. Eventually,
376he followed the Master's trail and, stealing a Type 40 TARDIS Mark I from the
377repair shop, took along his equally nosey young granddaughter with him on his
378quest. All this time, the Doctor's travels were being watched...not by the
379Time Lords or the Master, but by Rassilon. Inside the Matrix, although their
380bodies were long dead, the minds of the Time Lords carried on. Without the
381need for physical awareness, their mental powers developed, and through the use
382of the Amplified Panatropic Computation (APC) network, stretched their powers
383back into the phusical world, not only on Gallifrey but everywhere.
384 Rassilon created two forces, a force for light and good, and a force for
385dark and evil. These two entities existed on the astral plane, each needing
386the other to keep universal harmony; to prevent the Universe from sinking into
387total chaos or total docility. The power Rassilon gave these astral
388projections was a key, The Key To Time which, when assembled, could be used to
389literally stop the Universe, and if it had slipped slightly too far good, or
390too far evil, these projections could therefore control the non-physical side
391of the Universe. Rassilon and the Time Lords in the Matrix (the Matrix Lords)
392then agreed to use a physical force outside the APC Net onGallifrey, and set up
393the Celestial Intervention Agency (CIA), a flippant title, but a honest one.
394 This select group of Time Lords were able to break the Laws of Time, if
395need be, to meddle in the affairs of others. The CIA were of course not
396generally credited on Gallifrey, so very few Gallifreyans knew of it's
397existence, and frequently its operators thought they were working for the
398President when in fact they were working for Rassilon, through his CIA agents
399and the APC Net. The CIA, however, needed also needed an agent outside
400Gallifrey, and Rassilon decreed it should be the Doctor, although it wasn't
401until the incident with the Great Intelligence in London on Earth that the
402Doctor suspected he was being used.
403 When the CIA openly contacted him and involved him in an attempt by the
404Sontarans to discover time travel, the Doctor broke the Firt Law Of Time and
405met his future self. Although it was accidental, the Doctor desperately tried
406to escape the Time Lords. Eventually, however, he required the Time Lords'
407help when a massive transportation through time was neede for some human
408soldiers. The Time Lords caught the culprits (one of the High Council was
409actually involved with the project although he died during the final battle)
410and dealt out the same fate that had befallen the Fendahl eons earlier. The
411Doctor was put on trial and three members of the High Council sentenced him.
412The three were a Prydonian Councillor called Goth, Adelphi, an Arcalian
413Councillor and the new Prydonian Chancellor, Socra. Socra was also a member of
414the CIA but no one, not even the President, knew that. The Doctor was exiled
415to Earth and his features were once again altered. Socra also had orders not
416to lose contact with the Doctor. Thus it was when the Master arrived on Earth,
417seeking revenge against the Doctor for past deeds, Socra persuaded the
418President, Pandad IV, to send a member of the High Council to warn the Doctor.
419Now that they had warned the Doctor, the CIA made use of him as a free agent.
420The Doctor naturally resented this, but knew it was only a matter of time
421beofre the CIA, probably through Socra, convinced Pandad IV to release him.
422 The release came at the end of the Omega incident. The Matrix Lords
423could forsee anything, they could even implant visions inside people's minds,
424but even they were unprepared for Omega's revenge, as the one place they
425couldn't explore was anti-matter...and that was Omega's domain. Omega,
426deserted and believed long-dead, decided the time was right to strike at his
427brother Gallifreyans and receive the recognition he deserved for giving them
428time travel. Although Omega was finally defeated by the Doctor, the affair
429provided a new awareness on Gallifrey, and once it was over, Chancellor Socra
430convinced the President that the Doctor should be freed. Pandad insisted on an
431explanation, and so The Matrix Lords allowed the existence of the CIA to become
432official. Yet Pandad IV didn't, arguing that such an official recognition
433would weaken the people's belief in the High Council; appearances had to be
434maintained and so, once again, the CIA faded into myth.
435 Satisfied that things were going his way, Pandad IV became a relaxed and
436contented President, until the chemical work of an ex-student of Cardinal
437Borusa's days at the Academy got the better of him. The Rani was now a high
438ranking official at the Academy herself. She developed a way of making life
439grow from an embryo to maturity in a matter of minutes. A by-product of this
440was, however, that the animals grew somewhat larger than they should have been.
441One day a mouse she was experimenting on escaped and attacked the High Council.
442Socra died in the animal's jaws, but more importantly Pandad IV's cat was
443eaten, along with the lower half of the Preident's leg. After he had
444regenerated to save himself, an irate Pandad IV appointed Goth as his new
445Chancellor, and exiled the Rani. He never found himself another cat, and, as
446he was the last of the "normal" President's as we know it, no one has had one
447since.
448 The choice of Goth as the new Chancellor was something Pandad IV
449regretted to his dying day. This momentous occasion occurred some thiry years
450later when Pandad IV informed the Chancellor that, as he was in that office, he
451couldn't possibly become President. The position was offered to Cardinal
452Borus. By this time, Goth had met the Master, and together they planned to
453depose Pandad IV and have Goth elected President. This would be a break with
454tradition that Goth would ensure by blackmailing the CIA into helping him.
455Goth's plan failed and the Master left him to die, although Borusa changed the
456facts so that far from beings Pandad IV's assassin, Goth became a hero.
457 Although the Doctor had declared himself a candidate for the Presidency,
458he never took the post up. Whilst the Presidency was unfilled, the High
459Council ratified Borusa's promotion to Chancellor, which left him virtually in
460charge. Thus, when the Sontarans invaded Gallifrey, Time Lord was without a
461Presidency, a position the Doctor returned to assume. Borusa was reluctantly
462glad of the Doctor's help in defeating the aliens, and, after the renegade
463resigned, Borusa took charge of Gallifrey and made some sweeping changes:
464he reduced the High Council, tightened up on security and made the Time Lords a
465little more aware of the decadent lifestyle they were leading. It was a long,
466though worthwhile, struggle, and cost Borusa a regeneration lost through
467stress.
468 The CIA also seemed to vanish, but The Matrix Lords were well aware of
469Borusa's machinations. He had been Chancellor, he had known about The Great
470Key and had even worn the Sash Of Rassilon, and now he was President --
471something strictly forbidden! Accordingly, Rassilon had laid a trap to destroy
472for good someone as evil and power-hungry as Borusa. Borusa meanwhile had
473built himself a High Council of some repute. Although a Prydonian himself, he
474had an Arcalian Chancellor -- a lady called Thalia, a Prydonian Cardinal called
475Zorac and Hedin, a Councillor of the Patrex chapter, and the required ordinary
476Gallifreyan, the Castellan. Together, this Council strove to make Gallifrey a
477decent place, and for many years succeeded -- until Omega re-emerged.
478 It seemed that the CIA had been wrong all this time, and the Doctor had
479really failed to destroy Omega. Using Councillor Hedin as a link, Omega
480deceived him, playing on the old man's loyalty to "the old ways" (the reason
481Borusa had put him on the Council) to help him return for revenge. Once again,
482however, with the help of the Doctor, Omega was thwarted. Hedin died and the
483High Council was in disarray. The Matrix Lords could forsee a time when Borusa
484would lead Gallifrey into ruination and so Rassilon put into play, for only the
485fourth time since his physical death, The Game Of Rassilon.
486 Borusa finally sought immortality, genuinely believing that a Time Lord
487such as he, who had twice seen Omega defeated, seen the Master defeated after
488Pandad's assassination, and played such an active part in the repulsion of the
489Sontaran attack, should become President Eternal, and rule Gallifrey forever.
490He reactivated The Death Zone and tried to see how best to get into The Dark
491Tower. The first thing he did was to send in one of the High Council, under
492the pretence that The Death Zone was being used by an external force which had
493to be investigated. First Cardinal Zorac and then Chancellor Flavia visited
494the Zone. Neither survived the lightening bolts that seemed to come from
495nowhere -- although had anyone been able to trace them, they would have traced
496them back to the Astral plane of the Matrix, where Rassilon was transmuting
497psychis energy into elemental weaponry.
498 Eventually Borusa decided that to clear the way he would use the Doctor,
499in all his five incarnations. Borusa was aware there were still obsructions in
500the timefields from the early days, and so he needed scouts to remove the
501dangers. He used the earliest Doctor to destroy the remaining Daleks, but the
502massive force of Cybermen needed far more to bring about their destruction.
503Having rid himself of the Castellan, whom he used as a scapegoat to take the
504b;ame for reactivating The Death Zone, Borusa finally fell into Rassilon's trap
505and played The Game...and lost. Borusa received his immortality, as a living
506bust deep within The Tomb Of Rassilon. The Doctor was returned home, and left
507Chancellor Flavia, a Prydonian lady, as acting-President.
508 The first thing Flavia did was to destroy the Gaming Room and, with a new
509High Council, set about running Gallifrey along the correct lines. The latest
510order Acting-President Flavia enacted was to report that she intended to obtain
511an intelligent cat. And somehow she felt that deep from within the Matrix, The
512Matrix Lords, and Rassilon in particular, agreed wholeheartedly. She called
513the cat Doctor...
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516In your nth article, you write :
517> Hold on to your seats, everyone...the end is almost here!
518>
519> {blah, blah, blah..}
520>
521> Era review -
522> The era relies very heavily on visual items...the most since the
523> early Pertwee's. JN-T should have left when Peter Davison did. He lost
524> creativity and good writers then, and it shows very profoundly. The stories
525> are far too uniform in style. Perhaps varying story length and style would
526> help. JN-T never stuck with a winning team, as shown by the constant
527> changes in production staff and writers. Unfortunately, the series is now
528> geared for Americans.
529 =========
530Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the
531series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot. Before
532this becomes a flame that will require a UN peace-keeping force, let
533me say, as an American, that I have enjoyed DW. It is overall, the most
534enduring, and respectable shows this side of Galifrey. JN-T is, to be
535sure, less than competent. The new format of the show, and the simple-minded
536plots for the SM Dr. will never sell in America -- no matter what the
537Ad-men say. In the U.S., every devoted fan of DW that I've heard is
538getting fed up with the intellectual pablum from Lionhart these days.
539The TB Dr. (before JN-T) had character, spirit, a love for science and
540a child-like curiosity. The stories (though sometimes pat) didn't
541insult the viewer. Any PhD could be entertained without being embarrassed.
542The fluff we get these days is sickening. The writers are ignorant of the
543history and basic story-line of the show. Since Americans are largely
544paying for it, the series is being over-priced right out of the budgets
545of most PBS affiliates who carry it. If this sounds grim, that's because
546it is. If it makes you angry, it should. It would be a national shame
547to the Britons if the show dies because of petty economics, or the
548misguided plans of the producer. Bring back TB or JP for a reunion.
549Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script
550than SFX. Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more
551like American SciFi. Even if JN-T is the worst egomanic, he should
552realize that it would be better to go down as the producer who turned
553the Who-ship around, rather than the #$%!@# who sank it ! I hope this
554finds its way to you-know-who !
555
556In article <12634@ncoast.UUCP>, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
557>
558> Heisenberg still applies. Temperature, unlike position or momentum, can be
559> measured passively: simply arrange to detect any emitted radiation. So it
560> is possible to determine if a region of space is at absolute zero without
561> altering it. This means that the momentum of any particles in that region
562> must be zero -- at which point (via Heisenberg) their position must be
563> infinitely indeterminate.
564 Perhaps this is a way to travel through vast distances. Simply
565 make the <thing> exist at absolute zero, then the position,
566 being indeterminate, could be anywhere in the universe. When
567 the <thing> heats up again, it may materialize someplace else.
568 Thus, in the lab, any specimen reduced to absolute zero may
569 well disappear (at least from this portion of the universe).
570 (The car *was* frozen in _Back to the Future_)
571 mak
572
573----------------------------------------------------------------------------
574The effectiveness of bullets has varied from show to show. During
575"Revenge? of the Cybermen", When Tom Bakers' Doctor meets them, two
576soldeirs from Nova Becon try invain to kill attacking cybermen with a
577machine gun. Latter the inhabitants of Voga find out that their guns
578are useless. During this episode, the Cybermen have guns built into
579their heads that shoot some sort of spark.
580When Peter Davidsons' (sp?) Doctor meets the Cybermen, they have switched to
581hand held laser guns.
582When Colin BaKer's Doctor and Peri meet the Cybermen, one of Litton's
583men kills one with a hand gun at point blank range.
584
585Steven Widom
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595In article <9686@cup.portal.com> Armstead_Phil_Smith@cup.portal.com writes:
596>> Unfortunately, the series is now
597>> geared for Americans.
598> =========
599>Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the
600>series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot.
601I suspect you have missed the point, this is not so much America
602bashing as bashing American television SF. Even you did that later:
603> Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more
604>like American SciFi.
605I've met both Joe and Louis at conventions, and we have discussed
606Doctor Who in depth. While I may not always agree with them on
607every point, we to tend to feel that American comercial television
608and particularly American TVSF isn't worth the powder and shot to
609blow it to hell.
610Since the demise of the original Star Trek, we have been treated to
611a series of high budget SF on American television. This budget is
612used for special effects, and not for getting good scripts.
613Funny, isn't that a frequent complaint against JNT's Doctor Who?
614Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still
615worth watching because they had good stories. If you don't have a
616good story, no special effects budget will save you.
617It seems you agree with me:
618>Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script
619>than SFX.
620> I hope this
621>finds its way to you-know-who !
622If you want it to:
623John Nathan-Turner
624Doctor Who Production Office
625BBC-Television Centre
626Wood Lane
627London W12 7RJ
628--
629James C. Armstrong, Jr nyssa@terminus.UUCP
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631In article <7302@well.UUCP> ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes:
632>[ Follow the bouncing ! ]
633I shall try. Do the same for me?
634> Well, the comprehensive review of the John Nathan-Turner era was
635>most interesting, and prompted me to think about those episodes I've seen.
636I, too, will be putting out a critique shortly, but will respond with
637a couple points.
638>> A Charged Vacuum Emboitement [ ... ]
639> I thought it was Charged Vacuum Envoidment.
640Nope. Louis & Joe were correct.
641>>Four to Doomsday -
642> I don't remember this one at all. I guess I haven't seen it enough
643>times.
644Quite an indictment... It really was unmemorable!
645>>Earthshock -
646> Adric dies. Personally, I had no problem with him, but it seems he
647>was the center of much controversey (much the same as ST:TNG's Wesley
648>Crusher).
649When Adric died, the shout of joy in the David Russell Hall Commons
650Room was louder than when news of the sinking of the Belgrano arrived
651three months later.
652> I suspect the reason for the silent ending at episode 4 was because,
653>unless I've forgotten something, this was the first time a companion of The
654>Doctor had died.
655Yes, you've forgotten something: Katarina and Sarah Kingdom both
656died in The Dalek Masterplan.
657>>Resurrection of the Daleks -
658>> This is the first story shown in 45 minute episodes, [ ... ]
659> Why did they do this? It makes the "cliffhangers" on odd episodes
660>precisely that: Odd.
661The Winter Olympics were being shown at the time, so they merged the
662four episodes into two.
663--
664James C. Armstrong, Jr nyssa@terminus.UUCP
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666In article <11722@terminus.UUCP> nyssa@terminus.UUCP (The Prime Minister) writes:
667>Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still
668>worth watching because they had good stories. If you don't have a
669>good story, no special effects budget will save you.
670Of the "old Doctor Who" that I've seen, really only 50% of them at best had
671"good stories". I mean, even by the time Tom Baker came around, they were
672faced with having done everything. I would hardly call "Revenge of the
673Cybermen", "Terror of the Vogons 8-)", or "The Sontaran Experiment", from
674Tom Baker's "critically acclaimed" first season, good stories. At least not
675in the plot sense, and if it hadn't been for Sarah Jane, not in the dialogue/
676characterization sense either.
677I'd rather watch Colin Baker than "Revenge of the Cybermen" any day. In fact,
678to be frank, I've become really sick of Tom Baker's portrayal. He may be
679a good actor but he practically came out and said in public, "The character
680of the Doctor is unrealistic by default", and then gave up on realism. Look,
681here's a really dangerous alien pointing a gun up my nose, am I worried?
682Naah! "Will there be strawberry jam for tea?"
683Sheesh. Flame off. Miserable as JNT may have been as of late, he was still
684one of the best things that happened to the 4th Doctor.
685--
686Jay Hinkelman
687At Purdue: akf@k.cc.purdue.edu
688Usenet: k.cc.purdue.edu|akf
689----------------------------------------------------------------------
690But Lee, you forgot the most Earth shattering scene- a Dalek going up stairs!!
691Yup, now we know how they conquered the planet in the 23rd century. A red force
692field appears under their base and up they go.
693They also did a neat Daleks eye view just before they blasted people, with
694strange sysmbols updating beneath crosshairs ala Terminator.
695I agree with Lee's comments about the credibility of a lot of the charecters
696behaviour, it's always been an irritating aspect of Dr Who. I'm not sure if they
697are insulting our intelligence or under-estimating our age. Oh well, stick with
698it I suppose.
699
700 Nathan Brazil IS God !!!!!!!!
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710 After watching The War Games again, I have come to the conclusion that the
711Master and the War Chief were, in fact, the same person. I know this is not
712an original thought, but I used to be against it. After all, we saw him die
713at the end. However, how many times have we seen the Master "die" or left him
714in some impossible situation? If nothing else, The Planet of Fire should have
715finished him off. I even wrote a Doctor Who script for a class project based
716on the fact that the Master died there. But did he die there? Of course not!
717He's the Master and he's indestructable. Watching The War Games again with an
718open mind, I saw that the personality of the War Chief and the Master were
719extremely close. Any minor changes could easily be attributed to regeneration
720peculiarities. What do you think?
721 Gary Duzan
722 Time Lord
723 Third Regeneration
724p.s. I don't want to know what any book (official or not) thinks. I want to
725know what you, as a fan, think of the possibility.
726 GD,TL,TR
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729In article <4238@bsu-cs.UUCP> vamp@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael G. Rothermel) writes:
730>In an episode like the Five Doctors, why doesnt' #5 remember everything as
731>happening four times before?
732>
733>Someone is going to say "but he was taken out of his timeline". Well, this
734>is true, but being taken out of one's timeline is done all the time in the
735>Who universe. Any of the companions, with the exception of Jamie & Zoe,
736>remember all of their adventures with the Doctor, even though they were
737>taken out of their timelines and then put back.
738>
739
740
741In article <8844@watdragon.waterloo.edu> kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) writes:
742>In article <940@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:
743>>One Cyberman in Attack was actually killed with an ordinary bullet.
744>>
745>>To quote one DWB, "If Joe Blow can kill a Cyberman with an ordinary
746>>bullet, then who needs the Doctor?" (not really an exact quote).
747>>
748>>Gordon Hogenson @ Harvey Mudd
749>
750>Let's be fair here. That bullet was literally at point blank range.
751Yeah, but when you consider the thousands of rounds fired at the
752Cybermen previous to this, by groups like U.N.I.T. and such, with
753nary a dent, I think it's a bit too much of a change. Maybe UNIT's
754problem was that they were using blanks... hey, that would explain
755a lot.... Hmmm....
756Mark Modig
757attunix!mom
758
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760Cybermen:
761Yup. When you get REAL close to a cyberman, you can do things like stuff a gun
762into some little hole in its armor (or its chest plate), and it'll probably
763do a LOT of damage, like a bullet bounces around in a tank (or so I've heard).
764This is the problem: not many people can shoot at a near-invisible moving
765hole in armor and expect to hit it, certainly not UNIT troopers at medium rifle
766range.
767The Watcher:
768It is my understanding that the Watcher was formed from the "great forces" that
769were going on during the destruction of Logopolis and the disappearance of the
770known universe. The Doctor was affected in that one of his regenerations got
771sent backwards in time, and became The Watcher
772 Michael Lewchuk
773
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775In article <939@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:
776>Other forthcoming books are The War
777>Machines, the Wheel in Space (attention you Cyberman fans), Edge of
778> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
779I just read The Wheel in Space, and the last page announces the
7801988 Doctor Who 25 Year Bonanza Competition! 1st prize is a trip
781to the DW studios and lunch with the Doctor, 2nd prize is a complete
782set of DW novels, and 25 runners-up will receive The Commemorative
783Volume: "Doctor Who - 25 Glorious Years". Unfortunately, there is
784a disclaimer printed very small at the bottom which reads "This
785competition is open to residents of the UK only..." Damn. Contests
786can be so much fun.
787Although it doesn't really matter now, since the dealine was September
78830, the questions you had to answer on the entry form were:
7891. What date was the first episode of Doctor Who broadcast on television?
7902. Who played the first Doctor Who's assistant?
7913. I read Doctor Who books because___________________________. (no
792 more than 15 words)
793
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800In article <8844@watdragon.waterloo.edu> kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) writes:
801>In article <940@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:
802>>One Cyberman in Attack was actually killed with an ordinary bullet.
803>Let's be fair here. That bullet was literally at point blank range.
804Yep.
805So was the pipe that decapitated a cyberman in the same story.
806Point is, in earlier stories, cybermen were not destroyed by bullets,
807even at point blank range. It took a hail of bullets or explosives
808at best to destroy one.
809--
810James C. Armstrong, Jr nyssa@terminus.UUCP
811
812------------------------------------------------------------
813My favourite pointless villains are not the Cybermen, but the Silurians.
814(Purists would say that they're not villains, but given that they have
815one of the prime villain characteristics--skulking around in tunnels--they
816certainly qualify.)
817The Silurians all bear a remarkable resemblance to a former Prime Minister
818of Canada, the Right Hon. John George Diefenbaker (deceased), who ruled
819from 1958 to 1963. The jowls, the voice, even the green skin, make them
820dead ringers.
821I hope nobody is going to blame the Silurians on JN-T??
822
823
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840
841
842THE LEGACY OF GALLIFREY
843by Martin Wiggins, Gordon Blows,
844Trevor Phillips, and Stephen Payne
845
846 <* Part II *>
847 When he passed on the Presidency to Pandad, Rassilon had made it seem
848natural that the Presidency should stay in the Prydomian chapter. Not
849surprisingly, harsh voices were raised in dissent at his "accepted wisdom".
850Morbius, the Patrex Councillor, had the loudest. It was during this period of
851dissatisfaction that the next great event in Time Lord history occured -- Civil
852War (or really terribly uncivil war as many of the dormice-like Time Lords
853thought). Morbius, a very popular man amongst the Patrexes, and even the
854Arcalians, suddenly became a cul leader. He wanted a joint High Council, with
855representatives of all three castes working for the people, and a decree to
856make all Gallifreyans Time Lords (not just the descendents of Rassilon's
857aritsocrats). But he especially desired the Presidency.
858 If Pandad was considering either of the first two demands, he certainly
859didn't approve of the latter. And so he tried to exile Morbius and a few of
860his followers, in an effort to show his strength and resolve. But Morbius
861escaped, and travelled through time, amassing a huge army of evil to attack the
862Capitol. In the ensuing war, the loss of life was quite horrific -- with whole
863generations of Time Lords and ordinary Gallifreyans dying in the battle.
864Eventually Pandad drove Morbius' army to the planet Karn where, in a final
865confrontation, the two armies were destroyed, as was most of the planet's
866bystanding populace.
867 Morbius was captured and faced a trial on Karn -- much to the annoyance
868of the Sisterhood of Karn, or rather the survivors of it, who would have
869preferred the whole disastrous business to have taken place on Gallifrey.
870Pandad sent Morbius' army back from whence they came, and stated that Morbius
871would be the first Time Lord to be executed. During this announcement, Pandad
872misjudged his footing and stepped back over a precipice, falling to his death.
873Pandemonium ensued, and in the midst of the confusion an Arcalian Cardinal,
874Helron, managed to operate the disintegration chamber in which Morbius had been
875encased.
876 Having made reasonable peace with the Sisterhood Of Karn (the Time Lords
877agreed to protect them, if the Sisterhood supplied them with some of their
878life-giving Elixir, which allows Time Lords to regenerate properly in case
879something goes wrong with the process), Helron declared himself President and
880returned with an Arcalian council to Gallifrey. Although Morbius was regarded
881as evil, his claims had some effect on Time Lord society, and so Helron placed
882a Cardianl and a Councillor from each caste on the High Council. However, the
883President and his Chancellor would always be from the same chapter. As a
884result of these changes, Azmeal was out of a job. Not that he minded geatly as
885he set his mind to investigate the secret's of Rassilon's Matrix. Throughout
886these experiments, Azmeal always had a nagging feeling that he was only
887discovering those facts to which something, somewhere, was leading him.
888Rassilon was continuing to help the Time Lords.
889 All this time, Helron and his High Council grew increasingly wary of
890Azmeal, and possibly a little afraid of him as well. After the ex-Chancellor
891regenerated for the last time, many thousands of years after Morbius' crusade,
892Helron decided to remove Azmeal from Gallifrey. Needless to say, with his work
893still uncompleted, Azmeal resented this decision and spoke out against the High
894Council, declaring them as hypocrites. In fear of the Council's response, he
895fled Gallifrey only to be hunted down by alien employees of Helron. Angry at
896this transgression of the Laws Of Time, and at the destruction of the planet he
897was on by the warriors who were searching for him, Azmeal returned, now branded
898as the first rebegade Time Lord, and massacred Helron and his High Council.
899Immediately a new High Council came into power, decreed Azmeal Public Hero
900Number One, and allowed him to escape Gallifrey to complete his work on the
901Matrix.
902 It was during this time of reorganizing that the Academy of Time Lords
903was turning out some of its best students. It was also a time of strife as
904many Time Lords and Gallifreyans were remouncing their society, choosing to
905live on other planets or in the outer wastes of Gallifrey. These few realised
906that Rassilon was right and Gallifrey had fallen into decay.
907 In particular, three students at the academy, two Prydonians and one
908Arcalian, consistently conducted rebellious, anti-heirarchical activities. One
909was a thoroughly unpleasant egotist who liked to be known as the Master -- a
910titled earned through his constant bullying of other students. He was a very
911good cosmic theoretician, but not skilled in practice. His contemporary from
912the Prydonian chapter was known as the Doctor who, with a friend called Drax,
913spent most of his tme carrying out silly chemical experiments. The third
914dissenter was an Arcalian girl called Rani, who was brilliant at everything,
915and chemistry in particular.
916 As the three grew up, and apart, it became obvious to Cardianl Borusa
917that they had little future on Gallifrey. The Master was the first to escape,
918by gaining Professor Salyavin's permission to investigate the Academy library
919after hours, and thus discover a special book. Although the Master never found
920the book, he left Salyavin well and truly implicated in the affair. Salyavin
921was then to be imprisoned on a special Time Lord prison planet, because the
922theft of the book was a very special crime. Somewhat bitter for being
923imprisoned for not really committing a crime, Salyavin decided that to spite
924the High Council he would steal the book and take it with him. The High
925Council never knew this and so Slyavin vanished to Shada. About fifty years
926later the book was also discovered lost, but no one really cared; they had
927survived withtout it for a few thousand years, and probably wouldn't need it
928again in a hurry.
929 The Doctor, meanwhile, became a Councillor on the High Council, and for
930many years sat and watched the Universe and basically ensured that no
931violations of time took lace. However, he made it abundantly clear that he
932wanted more from life than to act as an intergalactic policeman. Eventually,
933he followed the Master's trail and, stealing a Type 40 TARDIS Mark I from the
934repair shop, took along his equally nosey young granddaughter with him on his
935quest. All this time, the Doctor's travels were being watched...not by the
936Time Lords or the Master, but by Rassilon. Inside the Matrix, although their
937bodies were long dead, the minds of the Time Lords carried on. Without the
938need for physical awareness, their mental powers developed, and through the use
939of the Amplified Panatropic Computation (APC) network, stretched their powers
940back into the phusical world, not only on Gallifrey but everywhere.
941 Rassilon created two forces, a force for light and good, and a force for
942dark and evil. These two entities existed on the astral plane, each needing
943the other to keep universal harmony; to prevent the Universe from sinking into
944total chaos or total docility. The power Rassilon gave these astral
945projections was a key, The Key To Time which, when assembled, could be used to
946literally stop the Universe, and if it had slipped slightly too far good, or
947too far evil, these projections could therefore control the non-physical side
948of the Universe. Rassilon and the Time Lords in the Matrix (the Matrix Lords)
949then agreed to use a physical force outside the APC Net onGallifrey, and set up
950the Celestial Intervention Agency (CIA), a flippant title, but a honest one.
951 This select group of Time Lords were able to break the Laws of Time, if
952need be, to meddle in the affairs of others. The CIA were of course not
953generally credited on Gallifrey, so very few Gallifreyans knew of it's
954existence, and frequently its operators thought they were working for the
955President when in fact they were working for Rassilon, through his CIA agents
956and the APC Net. The CIA, however, needed also needed an agent outside
957Gallifrey, and Rassilon decreed it should be the Doctor, although it wasn't
958until the incident with the Great Intelligence in London on Earth that the
959Doctor suspected he was being used.
960 When the CIA openly contacted him and involved him in an attempt by the
961Sontarans to discover time travel, the Doctor broke the Firt Law Of Time and
962met his future self. Although it was accidental, the Doctor desperately tried
963to escape the Time Lords. Eventually, however, he required the Time Lords'
964help when a massive transportation through time was neede for some human
965soldiers. The Time Lords caught the culprits (one of the High Council was
966actually involved with the project although he died during the final battle)
967and dealt out the same fate that had befallen the Fendahl eons earlier. The
968Doctor was put on trial and three members of the High Council sentenced him.
969The three were a Prydonian Councillor called Goth, Adelphi, an Arcalian
970Councillor and the new Prydonian Chancellor, Socra. Socra was also a member of
971the CIA but no one, not even the President, knew that. The Doctor was exiled
972to Earth and his features were once again altered. Socra also had orders not
973to lose contact with the Doctor. Thus it was when the Master arrived on Earth,
974seeking revenge against the Doctor for past deeds, Socra persuaded the
975President, Pandad IV, to send a member of the High Council to warn the Doctor.
976Now that they had warned the Doctor, the CIA made use of him as a free agent.
977The Doctor naturally resented this, but knew it was only a matter of time
978beofre the CIA, probably through Socra, convinced Pandad IV to release him.
979 The release came at the end of the Omega incident. The Matrix Lords
980could forsee anything, they could even implant visions inside people's minds,
981but even they were unprepared for Omega's revenge, as the one place they
982couldn't explore was anti-matter...and that was Omega's domain. Omega,
983deserted and believed long-dead, decided the time was right to strike at his
984brother Gallifreyans and receive the recognition he deserved for giving them
985time travel. Although Omega was finally defeated by the Doctor, the affair
986provided a new awareness on Gallifrey, and once it was over, Chancellor Socra
987convinced the President that the Doctor should be freed. Pandad insisted on an
988explanation, and so The Matrix Lords allowed the existence of the CIA to become
989official. Yet Pandad IV didn't, arguing that such an official recognition
990would weaken the people's belief in the High Council; appearances had to be
991maintained and so, once again, the CIA faded into myth.
992 Satisfied that things were going his way, Pandad IV became a relaxed and
993contented President, until the chemical work of an ex-student of Cardinal
994Borusa's days at the Academy got the better of him. The Rani was now a high
995ranking official at the Academy herself. She developed a way of making life
996grow from an embryo to maturity in a matter of minutes. A by-product of this
997was, however, that the animals grew somewhat larger than they should have been.
998One day a mouse she was experimenting on escaped and attacked the High Council.
999Socra died in the animal's jaws, but more importantly Pandad IV's cat was
1000eaten, along with the lower half of the Preident's leg. After he had
1001regenerated to save himself, an irate Pandad IV appointed Goth as his new
1002Chancellor, and exiled the Rani. He never found himself another cat, and, as
1003he was the last of the "normal" President's as we know it, no one has had one
1004since.
1005 The choice of Goth as the new Chancellor was something Pandad IV
1006regretted to his dying day. This momentous occasion occurred some thiry years
1007later when Pandad IV informed the Chancellor that, as he was in that office, he
1008couldn't possibly become President. The position was offered to Cardinal
1009Borus. By this time, Goth had met the Master, and together they planned to
1010depose Pandad IV and have Goth elected President. This would be a break with
1011tradition that Goth would ensure by blackmailing the CIA into helping him.
1012Goth's plan failed and the Master left him to die, although Borusa changed the
1013facts so that far from beings Pandad IV's assassin, Goth became a hero.
1014 Although the Doctor had declared himself a candidate for the Presidency,
1015he never took the post up. Whilst the Presidency was unfilled, the High
1016Council ratified Borusa's promotion to Chancellor, which left him virtually in
1017charge. Thus, when the Sontarans invaded Gallifrey, Time Lord was without a
1018Presidency, a position the Doctor returned to assume. Borusa was reluctantly
1019glad of the Doctor's help in defeating the aliens, and, after the renegade
1020resigned, Borusa took charge of Gallifrey and made some sweeping changes:
1021he reduced the High Council, tightened up on security and made the Time Lords a
1022little more aware of the decadent lifestyle they were leading. It was a long,
1023though worthwhile, struggle, and cost Borusa a regeneration lost through
1024stress.
1025 The CIA also seemed to vanish, but The Matrix Lords were well aware of
1026Borusa's machinations. He had been Chancellor, he had known about The Great
1027Key and had even worn the Sash Of Rassilon, and now he was President --
1028something strictly forbidden! Accordingly, Rassilon had laid a trap to destroy
1029for good someone as evil and power-hungry as Borusa. Borusa meanwhile had
1030built himself a High Council of some repute. Although a Prydonian himself, he
1031had an Arcalian Chancellor -- a lady called Thalia, a Prydonian Cardinal called
1032Zorac and Hedin, a Councillor of the Patrex chapter, and the required ordinary
1033Gallifreyan, the Castellan. Together, this Council strove to make Gallifrey a
1034decent place, and for many years succeeded -- until Omega re-emerged.
1035 It seemed that the CIA had been wrong all this time, and the Doctor had
1036really failed to destroy Omega. Using Councillor Hedin as a link, Omega
1037deceived him, playing on the old man's loyalty to "the old ways" (the reason
1038Borusa had put him on the Council) to help him return for revenge. Once again,
1039however, with the help of the Doctor, Omega was thwarted. Hedin died and the
1040High Council was in disarray. The Matrix Lords could forsee a time when Borusa
1041would lead Gallifrey into ruination and so Rassilon put into play, for only the
1042fourth time since his physical death, The Game Of Rassilon.
1043 Borusa finally sought immortality, genuinely believing that a Time Lord
1044such as he, who had twice seen Omega defeated, seen the Master defeated after
1045Pandad's assassination, and played such an active part in the repulsion of the
1046Sontaran attack, should become President Eternal, and rule Gallifrey forever.
1047He reactivated The Death Zone and tried to see how best to get into The Dark
1048Tower. The first thing he did was to send in one of the High Council, under
1049the pretence that The Death Zone was being used by an external force which had
1050to be investigated. First Cardinal Zorac and then Chancellor Flavia visited
1051the Zone. Neither survived the lightening bolts that seemed to come from
1052nowhere -- although had anyone been able to trace them, they would have traced
1053them back to the Astral plane of the Matrix, where Rassilon was transmuting
1054psychis energy into elemental weaponry.
1055 Eventually Borusa decided that to clear the way he would use the Doctor,
1056in all his five incarnations. Borusa was aware there were still obsructions in
1057the timefields from the early days, and so he needed scouts to remove the
1058dangers. He used the earliest Doctor to destroy the remaining Daleks, but the
1059massive force of Cybermen needed far more to bring about their destruction.
1060Having rid himself of the Castellan, whom he used as a scapegoat to take the
1061b;ame for reactivating The Death Zone, Borusa finally fell into Rassilon's trap
1062and played The Game...and lost. Borusa received his immortality, as a living
1063bust deep within The Tomb Of Rassilon. The Doctor was returned home, and left
1064Chancellor Flavia, a Prydonian lady, as acting-President.
1065 The first thing Flavia did was to destroy the Gaming Room and, with a new
1066High Council, set about running Gallifrey along the correct lines. The latest
1067order Acting-President Flavia enacted was to report that she intended to obtain
1068an intelligent cat. And somehow she felt that deep from within the Matrix, The
1069Matrix Lords, and Rassilon in particular, agreed wholeheartedly. She called
1070the cat Doctor...
1071
1072----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1073In your nth article, you write :
1074> Hold on to your seats, everyone...the end is almost here!
1075>
1076> {blah, blah, blah..}
1077>
1078> Era review -
1079> The era relies very heavily on visual items...the most since the
1080> early Pertwee's. JN-T should have left when Peter Davison did. He lost
1081> creativity and good writers then, and it shows very profoundly. The stories
1082> are far too uniform in style. Perhaps varying story length and style would
1083> help. JN-T never stuck with a winning team, as shown by the constant
1084> changes in production staff and writers. Unfortunately, the series is now
1085> geared for Americans.
1086 =========
1087Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the
1088series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot. Before
1089this becomes a flame that will require a UN peace-keeping force, let
1090me say, as an American, that I have enjoyed DW. It is overall, the most
1091enduring, and respectable shows this side of Galifrey. JN-T is, to be
1092sure, less than competent. The new format of the show, and the simple-minded
1093plots for the SM Dr. will never sell in America -- no matter what the
1094Ad-men say. In the U.S., every devoted fan of DW that I've heard is
1095getting fed up with the intellectual pablum from Lionhart these days.
1096The TB Dr. (before JN-T) had character, spirit, a love for science and
1097a child-like curiosity. The stories (though sometimes pat) didn't
1098insult the viewer. Any PhD could be entertained without being embarrassed.
1099The fluff we get these days is sickening. The writers are ignorant of the
1100history and basic story-line of the show. Since Americans are largely
1101paying for it, the series is being over-priced right out of the budgets
1102of most PBS affiliates who carry it. If this sounds grim, that's because
1103it is. If it makes you angry, it should. It would be a national shame
1104to the Britons if the show dies because of petty economics, or the
1105misguided plans of the producer. Bring back TB or JP for a reunion.
1106Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script
1107than SFX. Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more
1108like American SciFi. Even if JN-T is the worst egomanic, he should
1109realize that it would be better to go down as the producer who turned
1110the Who-ship around, rather than the #$%!@# who sank it ! I hope this
1111finds its way to you-know-who !
1112
1113In article <12634@ncoast.UUCP>, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
1114>
1115> Heisenberg still applies. Temperature, unlike position or momentum, can be
1116> measured passively: simply arrange to detect any emitted radiation. So it
1117> is possible to determine if a region of space is at absolute zero without
1118> altering it. This means that the momentum of any particles in that region
1119> must be zero -- at which point (via Heisenberg) their position must be
1120> infinitely indeterminate.
1121 Perhaps this is a way to travel through vast distances. Simply
1122 make the <thing> exist at absolute zero, then the position,
1123 being indeterminate, could be anywhere in the universe. When
1124 the <thing> heats up again, it may materialize someplace else.
1125 Thus, in the lab, any specimen reduced to absolute zero may
1126 well disappear (at least from this portion of the universe).
1127 (The car *was* frozen in _Back to the Future_)
1128 mak
1129
1130----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1131The effectiveness of bullets has varied from show to show. During
1132"Revenge? of the Cybermen", When Tom Bakers' Doctor meets them, two
1133soldeirs from Nova Becon try invain to kill attacking cybermen with a
1134machine gun. Latter the inhabitants of Voga find out that their guns
1135are useless. During this episode, the Cybermen have guns built into
1136their heads that shoot some sort of spark.
1137When Peter Davidsons' (sp?) Doctor meets the Cybermen, they have switched to
1138hand held laser guns.
1139When Colin BaKer's Doctor and Peri meet the Cybermen, one of Litton's
1140men kills one with a hand gun at point blank range.
1141
1142Steven Widom
1143ARPANET starbrd@ucscb.ucsc.edu
1144UUCP ...!ucbvax!ucscc.ucsc.edu!ucscb!starbrd
1145bitnet: starbrd@ucscg.bitnet
1146You can also try the following paths
1147
1148ARPANET starbrd@ucscg.ucsc.edu
1149UUCP ...!ucbvax!ucscc.ucsc.edu!ucscb!starbrd
1150bitnet: ucscc.bitnet!ucscb.ucsc.edu!starbrd
1151----------------------------------------------------------------
1152In article <9686@cup.portal.com> Armstead_Phil_Smith@cup.portal.com writes:
1153>> Unfortunately, the series is now
1154>> geared for Americans.
1155> =========
1156>Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the
1157>series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot.
1158I suspect you have missed the point, this is not so much America
1159bashing as bashing American television SF. Even you did that later:
1160> Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more
1161>like American SciFi.
1162I've met both Joe and Louis at conventions, and we have discussed
1163Doctor Who in depth. While I may not always agree with them on
1164every point, we to tend to feel that American comercial television
1165and particularly American TVSF isn't worth the powder and shot to
1166blow it to hell.
1167Since the demise of the original Star Trek, we have been treated to
1168a series of high budget SF on American television. This budget is
1169used for special effects, and not for getting good scripts.
1170Funny, isn't that a frequent complaint against JNT's Doctor Who?
1171Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still
1172worth watching because they had good stories. If you don't have a
1173good story, no special effects budget will save you.
1174It seems you agree with me:
1175>Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script
1176>than SFX.
1177> I hope this
1178>finds its way to you-know-who !
1179If you want it to:
1180John Nathan-Turner
1181Doctor Who Production Office
1182BBC-Television Centre
1183Wood Lane
1184London W12 7RJ
1185--
1186James C. Armstrong, Jr nyssa@terminus.UUCP
1187----------------------------------------------------------------------
1188In article <7302@well.UUCP> ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes:
1189>[ Follow the bouncing ! ]
1190I shall try. Do the same for me?
1191> Well, the comprehensive review of the John Nathan-Turner era was
1192>most interesting, and prompted me to think about those episodes I've seen.
1193I, too, will be putting out a critique shortly, but will respond with
1194a couple points.
1195>> A Charged Vacuum Emboitement [ ... ]
1196> I thought it was Charged Vacuum Envoidment.
1197Nope. Louis & Joe were correct.
1198>>Four to Doomsday -
1199> I don't remember this one at all. I guess I haven't seen it enough
1200>times.
1201Quite an indictment... It really was unmemorable!
1202>>Earthshock -
1203> Adric dies. Personally, I had no problem with him, but it seems he
1204>was the center of much controversey (much the same as ST:TNG's Wesley
1205>Crusher).
1206When Adric died, the shout of joy in the David Russell Hall Commons
1207Room was louder than when news of the sinking of the Belgrano arrived
1208three months later.
1209> I suspect the reason for the silent ending at episode 4 was because,
1210>unless I've forgotten something, this was the first time a companion of The
1211>Doctor had died.
1212Yes, you've forgotten something: Katarina and Sarah Kingdom both
1213died in The Dalek Masterplan.
1214>>Resurrection of the Daleks -
1215>> This is the first story shown in 45 minute episodes, [ ... ]
1216> Why did they do this? It makes the "cliffhangers" on odd episodes
1217>precisely that: Odd.
1218The Winter Olympics were being shown at the time, so they merged the
1219four episodes into two.
1220--
1221James C. Armstrong, Jr nyssa@terminus.UUCP
1222------------------------------------------------------
1223In article <11722@terminus.UUCP> nyssa@terminus.UUCP (The Prime Minister) writes:
1224>Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still
1225>worth watching because they had good stories. If you don't have a
1226>good story, no special effects budget will save you.
1227Of the "old Doctor Who" that I've seen, really only 50% of them at best had
1228"good stories". I mean, even by the time Tom Baker came around, they were
1229faced with having done everything. I would hardly call "Revenge of the
1230Cybermen", "Terror of the Vogons 8-)", or "The Sontaran Experiment", from
1231Tom Baker's "critically acclaimed" first season, good stories. At least not
1232in the plot sense, and if it hadn't been for Sarah Jane, not in the dialogue/
1233characterization sense either.
1234I'd rather watch Colin Baker than "Revenge of the Cybermen" any day. In fact,
1235to be frank, I've become really sick of Tom Baker's portrayal. He may be
1236a good actor but he practically came out and said in public, "The character
1237of the Doctor is unrealistic by default", and then gave up on realism. Look,
1238here's a really dangerous alien pointing a gun up my nose, am I worried?
1239Naah! "Will there be strawberry jam for tea?"
1240Sheesh. Flame off. Miserable as JNT may have been as of late, he was still
1241one of the best things that happened to the 4th Doctor.
1242--
1243Jay Hinkelman
1244At Purdue: akf@k.cc.purdue.edu
1245Usenet: k.cc.purdue.edu|akf
1246----------------------------------------------------------------------
1247But Lee, you forgot the most Earth shattering scene- a Dalek going up stairs!!
1248Yup, now we know how they conquered the planet in the 23rd century. A red force
1249field appears under their base and up they go.
1250They also did a neat Daleks eye view just before they blasted people, with
1251strange sysmbols updating beneath crosshairs ala Terminator.
1252I agree with Lee's comments about the credibility of a lot of the charecters
1253behaviour, it's always been an irritating aspect of Dr Who. I'm not sure if they
1254are insulting our intelligence or under-estimating our age. Oh well, stick with
1255it I suppose.
1256
1257 Nathan Brazil IS God !!!!!!!!
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1266
1267 After watching The War Games again, I have come to the conclusion that the
1268Master and the War Chief were, in fact, the same person. I know this is not
1269an original thought, but I used to be against it. After all, we saw him die
1270at the end. However, how many times have we seen the Master "die" or left him
1271in some impossible situation? If nothing else, The Planet of Fire should have
1272finished him off. I even wrote a Doctor Who script for a class project based
1273on the fact that the Master died there. But did he die there? Of course not!
1274He's the Master and he's indestructable. Watching The War Games again with an
1275open mind, I saw that the personality of the War Chief and the Master were
1276extremely close. Any minor changes could easily be attributed to regeneration
1277peculiarities. What do you think?
1278 Gary Duzan
1279 Time Lord
1280 Third Regeneration
1281p.s. I don't want to know what any book (official or not) thinks. I want to
1282know what you, as a fan, think of the possibility.
1283 GD,TL,TR
1284
1285--------------------------------------------------------------------
1286In article <4238@bsu-cs.UUCP> vamp@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael G. Rothermel) writes:
1287>In an episode like the Five Doctors, why doesnt' #5 remember everything as
1288>happening four times before?
1289>
1290>Someone is going to say "but he was taken out of his timeline". Well, this
1291>is true, but being taken out of one's timeline is done all the time in the
1292>Who universe. Any of the companions, with the exception of Jamie & Zoe,
1293>remember all of their adventures with the Doctor, even though they were
1294>taken out of their timelines and then put back.
1295>
1296
1297Well, maybe we should come up with some kind of distinction between
1298traveling in time (i.e., being taken out of one's TIME) and being
1299taken out of one's timeLINE. After all, the phrase "taken out of
1300one's timeline" only occurs on WHO in very specific and infrequent
1301circumstances. For instance, in "The Five Doctors", the 4 earlier
1302incarnations were removed from their timelines (or, if your prefer,
1303timestreams--the same thing). But in "The War Games", Jamie and
1304Zoe were returned to their own TIMES.
1305In case anyone wants to start a discussion, we'll start with the follow-
1306ing definition: a person's TIMELINE is the sequence of events, sometimes
1307chronologically linear, that happen to that person, from birth to death.
1308I say "chronologically linear" to signify the chronology that the person's
1309eyes see; if I hop in a time machine and travel forward to 2012, then back
1310to 1950 (before I was born), my timeline is still (new word coming 8-)
1311chronolinear. Even the Brigadier had a chronolinear timeline, despite
1312the sequence of events in "Mawdryn Undead". However, should a person
1313split into two entities in two parallel universes, or be removed like
1314the Doctors were in "The Five Doctors", his timeline is no longer
1315chronolinear. In these cases there is some kind of branching from the
1316timeline, and the things that happened off the chronolinear section cannot
1317be recalled, since the mind functions only on chronolinear lines (?)
1318remember, the Brigadier forgot what happened in the "Mawdryn" affair
1319because he had a nervous breakdown shortly after his (1977) return to
1320earth.
1321Anyone who wants to debate this defintion, or to discuss some of its
1322apparent results, please feel free to do so. Actually, a point that
1323I glossed over was the following: is their a distinction between
1324a person's timeSTREAM and his timeLINE?
1325Ooooooh, this is gonna be fun.
1326--
1327Jay Hinkelman
1328At Purdue: akf@k.cc.purdue.edu
1329Usenet: k.cc.purdue.edu|akf
1330-------------------------------------------------------------------------
1331In article <10583@reed.UUCP> odlin@reed.UUCP (Iain Odlin) writes:
1332>In article <453@husc6.harvard.edu> gallaghe@husc8.UUCP (Paul Gallagher) writes:
1333>
1334>God only knows when _Mark of the Rani_ happened in the Master's personal
1335>time-line. It may have happened long before _Planet of Fire_.
1336> -Iain Odlin
1337Nope, sorry, but the Doctor and the Rani both ask him how he survived the
1338Sarn incident. His response (at least to one of them), "I am indes-
1339tructible", shows that he already knew of the incident.
1340As for the original question, "How did he survive," it was postulated in
1341the Doctor Who Role-Playing Game (for what it's worth) that the Master
1342has a device that teleports him back to his secret base of operations
1343whenever his regeneration process is about to occur, so he can somehow
1344heal himself or whatever there, hence not losing another regeneration
1345(he is out of them). This doesn't answer, though, why he looked so
1346gosh-darned scared when the Doctor turned up the heat on him.
1347--
1348Jay Hinkelman
1349At Purdue: akf@k.cc.purdue.edu
1350Usenet: k.cc.purdue.edu|akf
1351--------------------------------------------------------
1352In article <1086@buengc.BU.EDU> bph@buengc.bu.edu (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
1353>In article <2660@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
1354>>
1355[here's where I attacked Tom Baker's Doctor for being too unrealisitic
1356 and annoyingly flippant, referring to a specific scene in his first
1357 season where an alien pointed a gun up his nose and he said, "Will
1358 there be strawberry jam for tea?"]
1359>>
1360>Wrongemboyo! The character in those scenes was brilliant. Here's a
1361>being capable of time travel, and arguably from a race that could own
1362>the universe, and showing the concomitant unflapability that comes with
1363>that sort of confidence.
1364I disagree. America is one of the most powerful nations on earth, and
1365many Americans are quite flippant about it. But if a Russian citizen
1366were to come up to one of them and point a gun up such a person's nose,
1367he'd probably be frightened nonetheless. In other words, national/racial
1368bravado does not necessarily produce personal bravado. Besides, the
1369Doctor didn't think much of Gallifreyan society, or he wouldn't have
1370left it.
1371> He understands the psychology of dangerous
1372>situations to the point where he is generally able to unnerve the
1373>terrorist (who does his work through psychology, not force) by not being
1374>predictable.
1375I have a hard time thinking of a Cyberman or a Sontaran as a terrorist,
1376especially because they DID do their work by force. Also, flippancy
1377does not equal unpredictability. If someone in a bad mood points a gun
1378up your nose, you DON'T MAKE HIM MADDER.
1379> He controlled the situation and survived, and he did it
1380>without pouting (JPertwee) or becoming nervous and deferential (CBaker or
1381>TFarnham, er, PDavisson).
1382If he controlled the situation, he did it by thinking, not by being
1383flippant. I doubt seriously that people who have their lives threatened,
1384even more than infrequently, become arrogant about it.
1385>You're right if you point out that the first TB season was lame (too much
1386>clowning, too little depth in the portrayal), but nobody else was even
1387>believable in the face of Daleks.
1388I've never accused Tom Baker (who was bloody awful 8-) of being a bad
1389actor. He wasn't. I just think that someone made a bad decision concerning
1390how the character of the Doctor would be played, and one of the persons
1391involved in that decision was Tom Baker. After all, he DID suggest to
1392the producers that he be allowed to have a talking head of cabbage as a
1393companion. I will admit that many of my gripes with his portrayal arise
1394from his first season.
1395> --Blair
1396> "And *nobody* else would have
1397> been able to say, 'drop your
1398> weapons or I'll kill him with
1399> this deadly jelly baby...'"
1400I'll give you that one. Patrick Troughton could have tried it--after all,
1401he supposedly started the jelly baby thing--but I doubt he could have
1402reached the savage's neck. 8-)
1403--
1404Jay Hinkelman
1405At Purdue: akf@k.cc.purdue.edu
1406Usenet: k.cc.purdue.edu|akf
1407--------------------------------------------------------------
1408In article <2671@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
1409[on the "unbelievability" of Tom Baker's Doctor being flip in the face of
1410danger]
1411> > He understands the psychology of dangerous
1412> >situations to the point where he is generally able to unnerve the
1413> >terrorist (who does his work through psychology, not force) by not being
1414> >predictable.
1415>
1416> I have a hard time thinking of a Cyberman or a Sontaran as a terrorist,
1417> especially because they DID do their work by force.
1418Look, if someone really wanted to use force to get you to cooperate, they'd
1419hurt you first, then ask the questions. If they're using threats to start,
1420they're using psychology, not force. TB's Doctor recognized this and acted
1421accordingly.
1422> Also, flippancy does not equal unpredictability. If someone in a bad mood
1423> points a gun up your nose, you DON'T MAKE HIM MADDER.
1424You just contradicted your self. The predictable response would be to not make
1425him madder, so being flip is being unpredictable.
1426Also, what would he be afraid of from the gun? That it might (*chuckle*) kill
1427him? Big deal, so he comes back as Peter Davison and has a messy coat.
1428--
1429Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
1430Chris Jarocha-Ernst
1431UUCP: {ames, cbosgd, harvard, moss, seismo}!rutgers!elbereth.rutgers.edu!cje
1432ARPA: JAROCHAERNST@CANCER.RUTGERS.EDU
1433------------------------------------------------------------------
1434In article <2061@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU> gdtltr@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Gary D Duzan)
1435writes:
1436> After watching The War Games again, I have come to the conclusion that the
1437> Master and the War Chief were, in fact, the same person. .... Watching The
1438> War Games again with an open mind, I saw that the personality of the War
1439> Chief and the Master were extremely close. Any minor changes could easily be
1440> attributed to regeneration peculiarities. What do you think?
1441I think any minor changes should more properly be ascribed to similar
1442personalities of different people.
1443Look, when the Master first appeared (under that name, if you will) in "Terror
1444of the Autons", the Doctor recognized his handiwork because of tissue
1445compressed bodies lying around. Where in "The War Games" are there tissue
1446compressed bodies? Where does the Doctor tell the Master something like "in
1447that 'War Games' fiasco of yours..." or the Master refer to the Doctor's
1448meddling in same?
1449There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief. True, there's
1450nothing explicitly disproving it, either, but then there's nothing disproving
1451that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.
1452--
1453Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
1454Chris Jarocha-Ernst
1455UUCP: {ames, cbosgd, harvard, moss, seismo}!rutgers!elbereth.rutgers.edu!cje
1456ARPA: JAROCHAERNST@CANCER.RUTGERS.EDU
1457------------------------------------------------------------------
1458In article <2671@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
1459>In article <1086@buengc.BU.EDU> bph@buengc.bu.edu (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
1460>>In article <2660@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
1461>> He understands the psychology of dangerous
1462>>situations to the point where he is generally able to unnerve the
1463>>terrorist (who does his work through psychology, not force) by not being
1464>>predictable.
1465>
1466>I have a hard time thinking of a Cyberman or a Sontaran as a terrorist,
1467>especially because they DID do their work by force.
1468They never forced the Doctor; they always need him for something or other,
1469and threaten the companions instead. It's his "Achilles Heel," and
1470I suspect he uses it as a tool by now. (Reality check: the writers
1471certainly use it as a tool.)
1472>> He controlled the situation and survived, and he did it
1473>>without pouting (JPertwee) or becoming nervous and deferential (CBaker or
1474>>TFarnham, er, PDavisson).
1475>
1476>If he controlled the situation, he did it by thinking, not by being
1477>flippant.
1478You try cracking a joke in a situation like that without popping a vessel
1479in your head.
1480>>You're right if you point out that the first TB season was lame (too much
1481>>clowning, too little depth in the portrayal), but nobody else was even
1482>>believable in the face of Daleks.
1483>
1484>I've never accused Tom Baker (who was bloody awful 8-) of being a bad
1485>actor. He wasn't. I just think that someone made a bad decision concerning
1486>how the character of the Doctor would be played, and one of the persons
1487>involved in that decision was Tom Baker. After all, he DID suggest to
1488>the producers that he be allowed to have a talking head of cabbage as a
1489>companion. I will admit that many of my gripes with his portrayal arise
1490>from his first season.
1491Cabbage? Adric? No, he's a turnip if ever there was one. Leela?
1492No, she's pure cheesecake, with her own knife. Sarah? No, she's
1493more mineral than vegetable. Romana II? ...
1494 --Blair
1495 "Where does the Dr. buy his
1496 jellie babies, anyway?"
1497------------------------------------------------------------------
1498I think we may be on to something here.....
1499In article <2667@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:
1500> In article <4238@bsu-cs.UUCP> vamp@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael G. Rothermel) writes:
1501> >In an episode like the Five Doctors, why doesnt' #5 remember everything as
1502> >happening four times before?
1503> >
1504> >Someone is going to say "but he was taken out of his timeline". Well, this
1505> >is true, but being taken out of one's timeline is done all the time in the
1506> >Who universe. Any of the companions, with the exception of Jamie & Zoe,
1507> >remember all of their adventures with the Doctor, even though they were
1508> >taken out of their timelines and then put back.
1509...
1510> remember, the Brigadier forgot what happened in the "Mawdryn" affair
1511> because he had a nervous breakdown shortly after his (1977) return to
1512> earth.
1513>
1514> Anyone who wants to debate this defintion, or to discuss some of its
1515> apparent results, please feel free to do so. Actually, a point that
1516> I glossed over was the following: is their a distinction between
1517> a person's timeSTREAM and his timeLINE?
1518>
1519> Ooooooh, this is gonna be fun.
1520I've GOT IT!!!!
1521
1522 The traumatization of the Brigadeer when he met himself is an
1523example of what happens when one has his time streams crossed...
1524typically. I venture a theory based on this evidence...
1525
15261) Crossing time streams is tramatic (look at Brig.)
15272) The Doctor Has crossed his own time stream (The Two Doctors).
15283) The Result is NOT traumatic.
15294) The Doctor has been pulled out of past time streams, with the
1530result being 3.
1531Timelords are biologically different. To prevent this trauma, there
1532must be some kind of defense mechanism. This defense mechanism is what
1533prevents the trauma. Part of this mechanism involves the inability to
1534remember the past experience (earlier timestream vs. later (present)
1535timestream).
1536As for the difference of being pulled out of one's timestream and
1537crossing timesreams, I tend to think it different, otherwise in The
1538Three Doctors and The Five Doctors, the earlier regeneration would be
1539sure of his survival and return since there is the later regeneration
1540present.
1541Then again, it can just be a JNT inconsistancy.....
1542 John Langbein
1543--
1544-----------------------------------------------------------------------
1545 ARPA: langbein@topaz.rutgers.edu UUCP: !rutgers!topaz!langbein
1546 QUOTE: "Holy Cow!" - The Scooter Phone: 1-<201>-932-3129 (work)
1547 DISCLAIMER: Why? I don't know, and he's on third.
1548-----------------------------------------------------------------------
1549By far the most elegant theory for the Master was that he is/was an
1550insane 12th regeneration of the Doctor. Of course, this was made impossible
1551a while ago, and even more recently, the STUPID, IDIOTIC, PURILE concept of
1552the Scrapyard came into being.
1553The Master is the Doctor theory hinged on the fact that the Master was
1554not conscious of his identity, but his subconscious was aware. This is
1555the only workable explanation for the fact that the Master is always trying
1556to humiliate and kill the Doctor in long and involved ways, but can never
1557bring himself to do it directly. He must always leave an out, and his
1558subconscious always remembers what "out" to leave.
1559The only other workable explanation is the true one -- bad melodrama.
1560But it explains so much -- and one can even say that they "were at the
1561academy together." And such a terrible and unique self-hatred psychosis
1562it would have been.
1563On the other hand, I think this "The Monk/War Chief is the Master" stuff
1564is fairly silly. There can be multiple evil Time Lords out there. We know
1565that any similarity is just coincidence. All we gain is a fairly mundane
1566explanation for the Master's vendetta.
1567--
1568Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473
1569
1570----------------------------------------------------------
1571In article <Oct.11.12.38.40.1988.8027@elbereth.rutgers.edu>, cje@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
1572> There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief. True, there's
1573> nothing explicitly disproving it, either, but then there's nothing disproving
1574> that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.
1575 The fact that it was stated, quite clearly, that the Valeyard was
1576the Doctor (a regeneration 'gone wrong', as it were), and the fact that the
1577Master is present, and gives no indication that he and the Valeyard are the
1578same person, leads me to disagree with your statement. Add to thi the
1579fact that the Valeyard was working withing the sanctioned authority of the
1580Timelords (something the Master does not do by choice, "The Five Doctors"
1581being the exception) and I think you find a pretty strong case.
1582 The Monk seems to be more along the lines of the Master's style:
1583working outside the sanctioned limits of Timelord activity; the focus
1584on the Earth as a target; the total disregard for the laws of time.
1585However, I don't recall the Monk being obsessed with power as is the
1586Master. I would say that the Master's ultimate goal is to rule the galaxy
1587(or universe or whatever). If I recall correctly, the Monk was just out
1588to mold human history in the way he thought was best, with little
1589thought to personal gain. Very different from the Master.
1590 I agree that there is no link between the War Chief and the Master,
1591though the psychology seems to be similar (plus he has a beard ;-)). I
1592think he was just another Timelord gone astray. Though the thought is
1593intriguing....
1594I'm off,
1595Dave
1596--
1597Disclaimer: The opinions expressed herein |"But a man's reach should exceed
1598are by no means those of Informix Software |his grasp or what's a heaven for ?"
1599(though they make you wonder about the |
1600strange people they hire). | -Robert Browning
1601-------------------------------------------------------------
1602In article <514@infmx.UUCP> davek@infmx.UUCP (David Kosenko) writes:
1603>
1604> The fact that it was stated, quite clearly, that the Valeyard was
1605>the Doctor (a regeneration 'gone wrong', as it were), and the fact that the
1606The key here is *who* stated the Valeyard was the Doctor. I believe the
1607master may have been lying about the link between the Doctor and the
1608Valeyard, or the writers may have been loopy. Personally, a DW show
1609where the Doctor is a villian simply wouldn't be as much fun. (It could
1610be pretty bizzare though. Picture this: The evil Doctor, aka Valeyard,
1611travels through time helping bad guys. The first episode could be
1612a story where the Valeyard travels back to the early 70's and helps
1613his 'ol buddy Pol-Pot. (sp?) Hideous, isn't it.)
1614
1615
1616--
1617Michael S. Czeiszperger | "milihelen: The amount of beauty required to sail
1618Systems Analyst | Snail: 2015 Neil Avenue (614) a single ship"
1619The Ohio State University | Columbus, OH 43210 292-
1620ARPA:czei@accelerator.eng.ohio-state.edu PAN:CZEI 0161
1621-----------------------------------------------------------------
1622In article <Oct.11.12.38.40.1988.8027@elbereth.rutgers.edu> cje@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
1623>
1624>There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief. True, there's
1625>nothing explicitly disproving it, either,
1626OK, that part I can grok.
1627
1628>but then there's nothing disproving
1629>that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.
1630The monk I can't comment on (insufficient data).
1631But, the Scrapyard is specifically referred to as a composite
1632created from the DOCTOR'S bioprint with what amounts to
1633a frontal lobotomy.
1634And, since it was the Master who pointed this out, I would tend
1635to beleive that the Backyard is NOT the Master.
1636--
1637 Ed King He may act a little erratic. Regeneration
1638 scrambles the brain cells a bit.
1639 elk@cbnews -- Cho-Gi
1640---------------------------------------------------------------------
1641Sez me:
1642=> There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief. True,
1643=> there's nothing explicitly disproving it, either, but then there's nothing
1644=> disproving that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.
1645Sez David Kosenko:
1646> The fact that it was stated, quite clearly, that the Valeyard was
1647> the Doctor (a regeneration 'gone wrong', as it were), and the fact that the
1648> Master is present, and gives no indication that he and the Valeyard are the
1649> same person, leads me to disagree with your statement.
1650Yes, but who stated it? The Master, who has been known to lie on occasion.
1651I'm not seriously proposing either Master = Valeyard or Doctor <> Valeyard.
1652I'm just pointing out the nature of a lack of evidence for someone else's
1653claim.
1654--
1655Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
1656Chris Jarocha-Ernst
1657UUCP: {ames, cbosgd, harvard, moss, seismo}!rutgers!elbereth.rutgers.edu!cje
1658ARPA: JAROCHAERNST@CANCER.RUTGERS.EDU
1659---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1660This according to the latest issue of DWB, an independent Doctor Who
1661magazine out of Adequate Britain, (Number 58, September 88) which has just
1662reached the states. Bad bad news, guys.
1663John Nathan Turner is remaining next season as producer.
1664I quote: "John Nathan-Turner, ...has been confirmed by the BBC as his
1665own successor and will oversee production of season 26 of DOCTOR WHO."
1666
1667I dunno 'bout anayone else, but I'm one pissed puppy.
1668------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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1673______________________________________________________________________________
1674"Don't touch THAT!"
1675-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1676
1677 DR. WHO DRINKING GAME
16781) Sip whenever the TARDIS goes wrong.
16792) Sip whenever an expendable character is expended.
16803) Sip whenever whenever a companion screams "Doctor!" Chug if it turns out
1681 to be no big deal.
16824) Sip whenever a companion twists an ankle.
16835) Drink the entire length of gratuitous shots of women or of Jamie's legs.
16846) Sip whenever a Dalek says "Ex-ter-mi-nate!" Chug if they repeat.
16857) Sip when they exterminate.
16868) Sip whenever a Dalek or Cyber is destroyed on screen.
16879) Sip when the alien monster is immune to bullets.
168810) Chug on any exploding ships.
168911) Sip whenever Hartnell loses his temper, Troughton pulls out the recorder,
1690 Pertwee creates a new gadget, Tom Baker's scarf gets tangled, or someone
1691 makes a comment about Colin Baker's clothes.
169212) Sip whenever Leela offers to kill someone.
169313) Chug whenever the idealist survives at the end.
169414) Sip whenever the Doctor gets preachy at the end.
169515) Chug whenever someone says "Doctor Who?".
169616) Sip whenever they slip and write "who" into the script.
169717) Sip whenever the Master announces intentions to kill the doctor.
169818) Sip on "Jellybabies?"
169919) Sip whenever the Brigadier answers the phone "Lethbridge-Stewart!"
170020) Chug whenever they reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.
170121) Sip whenever the Brigadier gets confused about time travel.
170222) Sip whenever anyone notices the size of the TARDIS.
170323) Sip whenever the major villain gets overconfident.
170424) Sip if you can see the cliffhanger between episodes in a movie format.
170525) Chug whenever the film gets reversed to illustrate some special effect.
170626) Sip if you spot the strings.
170727) Sip on bad special effects.
170828) Sip whenever K-9 gets cannibalized.
170929) Sip whenever K-9 produces a new death ray.
171030) Sip whenever the person who looks like it might be a new companion isn't.
171131) Sip whenever they offer an explanation to a historical mystery.
171232) Sip whenever you only find eight people in the huge city.
171333) Sip whenever Harry does something stupid.
171434) Sip whenever anyone gets possessed.
171535) Sip whenever a compnanion touches after the Doctor says, "Don't Touch."
171636) Chug whenever a complete stranger sacrifices themself for the Doctor.
171737) Sip whenever the Doctor or a companion is about to be executed or
1718 sacrificed.
171938) Sip whenever the sonic screwdriver is used.
172039) Sip whenever a companion outsmarts the Doctor.
172140) Sip whenever a crowd does a Heil routine.
172241) Sip at every doublecross.
172342) Sip whenever K-9 says something obvious.
172443) Sip whenever Susan calls the Doctor "Grandfather."
172544) Sip whenever you see something non-Terran written in English.
172645) Sip whenever a companion screams.
172746) Sip whenever Tom Baker gets knocked out.
172847) Sip whenever Tom Baker's eyes bulge.
172948) Sip whenever the Doctor says "We must be on Earth."
173049) Sip whenever the Doctor leaves the TARDIS to find out what year it is
1731 or where they are so he can correct the coordinates.
173250) Sip whenever the viewscreen opens or closes.
1733
1734>From wucfua!wucs1!uunet!tank!oddjob!uwvax!rutgers!bellcore!faline!thumper!ulysses!terminus!nyssa Thu Oct 20 00:02:48 CDT 1988
1735Better known as, "JNT quits and comes back, take four."
1736In article <17092@vax5.CCS.CORNELL.EDU> ut6y@vax5.ccs.cornell.edu (Uncle Mikey (Michael Scott Shappe)) writes:
1737>John Nathan Turner is remaining next season as producer.
1738>I quote: "John Nathan-Turner, ...has been confirmed by the BBC as his
1739>own successor and will oversee production of season 26 of DOCTOR WHO."
1740While I predicted when JNT resigned, that he would "re-sign" I still
1741have some doubts. I am having one of my UK contacts check on the
1742validity of the above.
1743My last report, about a month ago, was that several people didn't pan
1744out, and that they were looking at some people who have been with the
1745show in the past.
1746>I dunno 'bout anayone else, but I'm one pissed puppy.
1747Understandably. JNT, while not the epitomy of evil that some people
1748suggest that he is (Adric, who was bloody awful, was the epitomy of
1749evil...), is certainly stale in the job. Watching Sylvester in
1750Rememberance of the Daleks got me thinking that that could just as
1751easily have been Peter Davison saying those lines, and that the
1752Doctor's character really hasn't grown that much. Sad, really.
1753--
1754James C. Armstrong, Jr nyssa@terminus.UUCP
1755
1756---------------------------------------------------------------------
1757So far I have heard no consideration of the K'anpo/Cho-Je regeneration. To
1758refresh everyone's memories, K'anpo had made Cho-Je as a "projection" of
1759himself, so that when K'anpo actually regenerated, he simply assumed Cho-
1760Je's body (P/Spi).
1761Is there a parallel here to the Watcher? In both cases, an entity that is
1762a precursor to the new regeneration exists. The Watcher exists of its own
1763accord, of course, and Cho-Je does not, though this is of course because the
1764Doctor does not have much control over his regenerations.
1765There may also be a connection here with the regeneration of Romana. If
1766K'anpo could choose his next body, then why not Romana? She, of course,
1767tried on several, and it is reasonable to assume that K'anpo could have done
1768the same. Thus criticism of this scene as a total break with tradition (i.e
1769Ian Levine in "The Unfolding Text") is not necessarily justified.
1770Perhaps an ideal regeneration for a Time Lord is a careful preparation of a
1771new body, designed to maximize stability--perhaps helping to avoid the
1772deterioration that sometimes comes with later regenerations.
1773Incidentally, I think this discussion of "deterioration" after regeneration
1774is meaningless. JN-T is the cause of the Doctor's deterioration, NOT some
1775kind of cruel fate. Same goes for the Master; and as for Borusa, he was fine
1776until 5D.
1777Gordon Hogenson @ Harvey Mudd
1778-------------------------------------------------------------
1779Season 20--JN-T best? More like his worst. Season 18 was his best, for one
1780reason: Tom Baker & Lalla Ward (well, maybe Chris Bidmead, too). And "State
1781of Decay" is terribly underrated--it doesn't work for everyone, but when it
1782does, it works terribly well.
1783Gordon Hogenson @ Harvey Mudd
1784--well, okay, not his worst. I did see season 23... Terror of the Vervoids
1785if enough to drag that whole season into the sewer, despite the Valeyard
1786as a redeeming feature. Melanie is the most revolting creature
1787ever shown on Dr. Who--I know it's rude to say such a horrible thing, but
1788she makes me cringe more than "Underworld" and "The War Machines" combined.
1789I was actually glad by VCR messed up during Terror of the Vervoids. It rec-
1790orded a STAR TREK: TNG that wasn't half bad.
1791--------------------------------------------------------------
1792In article <7192@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, ins_ajpo@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Milamber) writes:
1793> >reversals/climaxes/running gags, denouement/resolution. Chopping it up
1794> >into episodes makes it harder to feel the characters in the latter
1795> >episodes. In movie format, the cliffhangers come off as act-climaxes,
1796> >something most TV fails to produce anymore (without inserting commercials,
1797> >that is).
1798I agree, although there are so many follow-ups within follow-ups here
1799that I don't know who I agree with.
1800> The arguements against the movies are manifold:
1801> 1) oftentimes, material is missing (e.g., "The Three Doctors", "The Invasion
1802> of Time", "The Ribos Operation",...), which is arguement enough.
1803probably true, but how often, and is it necessary material, orjust a
1804recap from the last episode?
1805> 3) They were (except for "The Five Doctors" and "Silver Nemesis") originally
1806> broadcast in episode form.
1807Perhaps this is because if they showed a whole movie every week, a
1808season would only last a few weeks. The first way is not always the
1809best way!
1810> 4) Most people can't sit still long enough to watch an entire movie (my upper
1811> limit is 2 episodes...)
1812I can't always set aside the same time every day to watch, I prefer
1813getting it all in one sitting, besides it helps with contunity.
1814> 6) If we didn't have movies, we'd all be able to see the entirety of "Planet
1815> of the Daleks" and "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" [in a letter to Lionhart,
1816> my friend found out that the reason they cut certain episodes from the
1817> episode package is because "...if the stations which received episodes
1818> were to get those ('Planet of the Daleks', ep 6, and 'Invasion', pt 1),
1819> then there would be a disparity between the number of episodes received
1820> by different stations receiving the same package in different formats..."]
1821This seems like an argument for my side.
1822> We'll defend our JN-T reviews at a later date...no more of this quibbling
1823> which I've been doing...be warned... >:-)
1824Quibbling about JN-T reviews or episodes vs. movies?
1825I must admit that I haven't seen many shows in episode form (mostly for
1826the reason that I dislike them). By the time I really get into the
1827characters and plot, the episode is nearly over. It is too short a dose
1828of Dr Who for one sitting.
1829 Bill Bretschneider (lafcol!bretschw)
1830"Chemists do it periodically on the table."
1831