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115Hands of Hope Mission - Kitchen(#5902RM)
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117 Quite large, the cafeteria has four primary regions; there is a kitchen area fronted by steam tables and a cold table. There is a vending machine area with a pop machine, snacks, and even a cigarrette machine as well. There is the dining area, long tables with bench seating sufficient to seat fifty. The final area is for recreation. Available there are a foos-ball table, a small pool table donated by a local bar (whose logo appears on the felt), as well as a large TV/VCR combo with several couches around it, as well as folding chairs by the wall. There are several bookshelves along the wall, full of a wide assortment of books from trashy romance novels, classics, sci-fi, to self-help books (There are LOTS of self-help books!). By the TV is also a Playstation game console with two controllers (One of which is taped.), and a box with several games.
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119 Three meals and one childrens snack are served daily, and though the fare is simple, it is decent. Special meals are available from time to time, generally for the holidays. Anyone registered at the shelter can eat free of charge, employees included. Note that one needn't /live/ at the shelter to take advantage of the eats, one must simply register with the receptionist for assistance.
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123Lobby <Lo>
124Cornerstone Villas - 609 Living Room(#7250RA)
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126 The walls of this large space are off-white, keeping the room bright except for the rear accent wall which is painted sandstone with white stippling. The kitchen features sealed hardwood floors stained to resemble mahogany, a stainless steel sink, a gas range inside a kitchen island, and modern appliances designed to resemble those of an older generation. The living room has thick, white, padded carpet and in the corner a small quarter circle table forms a breakfast nook. Sliding doors lead to the cement balcony, which is textured and painted to resemble southwestern stucco and features spaces to accomodate long flower planters. To the right of the living room is a full bathroom and washer-dryer. To the left a small hallway leads to the bedroom.
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128 Use +rent/desc to set a new @desc. See +help +rent.
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130Contents:
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132Cedric
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136Bedroom <BR> Out <O>
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138Cedric invited Constance over to his place to have a talk. He opens the door for her, "Thank you for meeting with me Constance. I had sent word to Guivre a while ago I wished to meet with him. He has not answered me back, which has me questioning why I can't come to you, when it comes to Harpy issues."
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140Constance shakes her head, "I cannot speak for Guy. But for the most part because I don't wish to appear as biased, Cedric. And there are plenty who know that I hold you in high regard." She takes off her coat and moves to find a place to sit. But I'm still happy to make housecalls and chat. How are you?"
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146Cedric seems a little confused, "So when it comes to me, you censored yourself? You have to hold other people in just as a high a regard, like Vegard for example. As for how I am doing, I have been better. Allies and associates who I have counted on, are no longer present or as active. JD, Brice, Jax and other then Brittney there are very few active Tremere. So when Madeline starts telling lies about me in Court, I have far less options as to what I can do about it."
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148Constance chuckles. "I hold him to a higher standard as he is Prince, Cedric. There's a difference between regard and standards." She sits with her ankles together. "As for those that left the Praxis, I would say that they weren't so much your allies. If they were they'd have stuck around and supported you." She smooths her fingers over her skirt. "If Madeline is telling untruths or acting in a manner unbefitting her station you should put forth a Harpy Inquery. Like anyone else."
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150Cedric shakes his head, "This is Madeline we are talking about, even when she was not Primogen she was always in control of the Toreador. One thing I try not to do is start a war I can't finish. Even if I hit her status, she can encourage other Toreador to talk up for her, which they would. Then she would have them talk against me, because of a lack of numbers and allies, I would lose. I am thinking it might be better to take an action against her instead." He then smiles, "Oh yes I know the differnce, I just thought you had a friendship with Vegard as well for him to ask you to be a harpy." Cedric sits down next to Constance.
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152You say, ???He trusts my judgement and morality, Cedric. As he suspected many might as I try not to let my own personal feelings interfere. Which is exactly why I cannot take hand in case where it might appear otherwise." Her brow lifts when he mentions Maddie's been in charge and she lifts a shoulder. "Madeline has always played the long game, Cedric. You've been in this city long enough to know that. I've no quarrel with either of you currently so if you must.. you must. Just be craftier than she is and don't get caught." She advises quietly.???
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154Cedric sighs, "Well if I set a circle ward around her home, I would want her to know it was me." He shakes his head, "The long game would mean just swallowing the dirt she dishes out, and do nothing till I can get enough allies. It is the smarter thing to do, but it just feel so wrong given how much damage she has done to House Tremere."
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156Constance gives Cedric a long look. "I cannot advise you in manners in which to conflict within the Praxis, Cedric. Save to tell you to be civil and -sure- when you do it. You've never been impulsive in the time I've known you. Your actions always well thought out and in the best interest of your clan. I can -hope- that you will stay that course and not do anything that would lead to your own final death or further damage to House Tremere."
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158Cedric shrugs, "I do appreciate the advice I will take it and not do anything drastic to Madeline for now, seeing how there is nothing lasting I can do to her."
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160Cedric has voted for you.
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162Cedric has voted for you.
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164You say, ???There is plently lasting you can do to everyone, Cedric. That is not to say you -should-. I imagine you've lived long enough to know that there are many, many ways to make someone suffer without lifting a finger."???
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166You have voted for Cedric
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168You have voted for Cedric
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170Cedric nods "There is something I can do to normal people. But this is Madeline we are talking about the most connected kindred in the sphere. Power ranking would probably put her fourth, after Vegard, Arya and Agate. I do not see myself doing anything as of now, seeing how my approach has always been direct rather than subtle. The only thing I guess I can do is try and make new allies, which is never an easy thing."
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172You say, ???No." She agrees shaking her head her lip twitching softly almost sadly. "Not in our life. But old dogs can learn new tricks, Cedric. Don't put yourself by the wayside and you'll find Maddy has her weakness. Like anyone else." She laughs quietly. "You just have to find them and maybe blood magic and a good punch to the nose isn't in your best interest this time around. But you can watch..and wait.???
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174Cedric shrugs "Watching is kind of hard for me to do, but I have done the long waiting game before. I do thank you for talking reason to me. Sometimes it is good to have a person to chat with and in a way vent."
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176Constance inclines her head. "Of course, Cedric. You've done much for me and I'm happy to return it. I hear there's thing's to do while you wait. Social functions and the like keeping the Praxis busy."
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178Cedric nods, "I am not really a social guy am more behind the scenes, but as the saying goes begger can't be picky. I might involve myself in the socially. Perhaps starting with Silvana's Halloween party, I do miss her."
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180Constance smiles, "Then do and go." She bobs her head, "Consider, if you've the funds, buying up some land or the like." She suggests, "Hold parties if you can. Even if you don't perhaps if you've a tremere who does? Or provide Silvana the funds for some thrown in your stead." She offers. "Social is the name of the game after all. Isnt it?"
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186Cedric shrugs, "While it is the name of the game. Silvana is with the Giovanni now. So anything done to aid the Giovanni, Vegard is not going to like. I can't see myself using up resources to buy land, only for someone else to be able to claim it as their domain. I guess I could have a chat with Vegard about such, but also will need to see if Brittany is interested in this option as well."
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188Constance blinks, "I wasn't suggesting aiding the Giovanni, Cedric, I was suggesting helping yourself." She chides. "But yes, talk with Prince Torvik and Brittany."
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190Cedric nods "Yeah but providing funds for Silvana even if she throws them in my stead would not be looked upon as well. However enough about me. How have things been with you anything I should know about?"
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194Constance shakes her head, "I'm much the same as I always am. Tending the Mission and the flock. My work is never done. As for Silvana, you could always look on it as trying to restore the former Princess to her glory. She might enjoy that too."
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196Cedric grins "Well if you want, I could try and have Bianca take you out hunting again. A little added spice in one life can never hurt I am thinking."
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198Constance laughs quietly and shakes her head. "Absolutely not." She laughs, "I botched everything so badly. But thank you, Cedric. Your concern is generous."
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200Cedric grins as he shakes his head, "Your being too hard on yourself. It is not like you drank a girl dry or even got us kicked out of the club. You did just fine, and as they say practice makes perfect. However you seem comfortable with your life and with your position. So I will not look to take you out hunting any time soon."
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208There are 89 players connected Tue Jan 23 23:13:43 2018 PST
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214Cornerstone Villas - 609 Living Room(#7250RA)
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216 The walls of this large space are off-white, keeping the room bright except for the rear accent wall which is painted sandstone with white stippling. The kitchen features sealed hardwood floors stained to resemble mahogany, a stainless steel sink, a gas range inside a kitchen island, and modern appliances designed to resemble those of an older generation. The living room has thick, white, padded carpet and in the corner a small quarter circle table forms a breakfast nook. Sliding doors lead to the cement balcony, which is textured and painted to resemble southwestern stucco and features spaces to accomodate long flower planters. To the right of the living room is a full bathroom and washer-dryer. To the left a small hallway leads to the bedroom.
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218 Use +rent/desc to set a new @desc. See +help +rent.
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220Contents:
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222Brittney
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224Cedric
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228Bedroom <BR> Out <O>
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230Cedric had called/text Constance to come see him seeing how they are friends. Brittney told Cedric a little about what she did and he knows there will be consequences. He feels it best to talk to a harpy to sort of get ahead of the situation.
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232Constance arrives, knocking on the door politely and smiles at Cedric when he lets her in. "A blessed evening to you, Cedric." She says warmly as she shrugs out of her battered peacoat and reshoulders her satchel. "It's great to see you. I'm glad you had some time to see me. Tell me, how have things been"
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234Vote XP Received: 253.39 (38.1%) Vote XP Given: 203.31
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236IC Time XP Received: 368.57 (55.5%)
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238Nom XP Received: 41.99 (6.3%) XP Spent: 654.00
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240Total Lifetime XP: 663.95 (100.0%) Current XP: 9.95
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242Brittney smiles as she walks into the room, and looks over to Constance, "Good evening, I hope you are doing well today?"
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244Cedric opens the door for Constance, "Thank you Constance for visiting me, as always things are a mixture." He closes the door, "I have come across a new ghoul and she is putting a little pep in my step. Sadly I did not call you hear to talk about my ghoul. I came to talk to you about the Tremere Primogen Brittney, she has my support, but the tactics she uses are not the ones I would. I am not going to order her not to do it because she is not my puppet but I fear there are going to be consequences and white lies told about what she did and more importantly why she did it."
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246Constance's blue eyes gaze drifts to Brittney and she incles her head, "And to you, I'm just fine and yourself?" She moves over and takes a seat. She's familiar enough with these talks with Cedric she feels fairly comfortable doing so. She blinks for a moment her brows lifting and she gestures for them to sit down. "Well, there's no need to jump to conclussions on anyone's part. So, why don't you just tell me what you know?"
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248Brittney smiles as she looks over to Cedric and nods, "There is definitely some people who are trying to take things to absurd lengths. Then again, our kind does love their drama at times." She smiles as she looks to Constance for a moment as she ponders that, "Well since it involve the Primogen Council and the Prince, I am not sure how much to share. Some amount of discretion is needed."
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250You say, ???If I'm ehre as Harpy, the Drama doesn't interest me. Civility does." She turns her eyes towards Cedric as Birttney advises discretion and her brows creep up. "Would you feel more comfortable discussing this with Arianne, Cedric? If you feel you cannot be honest with me then you know I'll take no quarter to someone else offering you an ear."???
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252Cedric shrugs, "I am not sure there is a great need for secrets here. Nothing of what we are talking about involved Camarilla security matters." He looks to Constance, "Basically this is the situation, Vegard is comming to Pirmogen meetings bullying people around and giviing orders. From what Brittany has told he feels that bullying is spurning people to do things. Brittany disagrees she believes the bullying is hurting the confidence of the Primogen making them weaker. Worst he is now trying to water down the court even further having even more of his people in charge. Brittney stood up to him, he in front of the others gave her a vieled threat. I know they are going to be attacking her status, and I believe what they will be stating to attack it will be false."
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254You say, ???All right, well the Prince has leave to do as the Prince wishes in his Domain unless someone is willing to overthrow him. But I am assuming you did not call me to attempt to lower the Princes status without several more people backing you. So you're here to discuss Brittney's.." She gestures to the young woman, "Potential hit in status. So far I haven't heard of any requests for her to be shamed for her behavior. You just want to ensure that it in no way gets to the point that she does. For that I will need to know what was done, and how much support your clan is giving to back her in this."???
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260Brittney looks to Cedric and nods slightly as she listens, "Well the vieled threats was against everyone in the council, threating to remove their seats from the council and such, I would say his threat against me was far more direct." She then looks to Constance, "Any way, I felt his breech of etiquette was a bit much. Sure he is the prince he can basically do whatever he wants, but some civility is called for when dealing with the Clans of the Camarilla. So I put forth the topic that at our next coming meeting we will dicuss some form of Sancation against him, such as barring him from entering within the middle of a meeting without asking. An entirely symbolic gesture to show outrage over the disrespect shown us. Mind you this is the Primogen Council, so it was a private issue between the Prince and his advsiors, I didn't call for any public outrage."
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262Cedric shakes his head, "We do not want the Prince to take a status hit. And there are no plans to over throw him. If he was that would mean Madeline would most likely take over as Prince." Cedric shivers for effect, "Constance we both know how manipulating Madeline can be, I believe Brittney is starting to find out. House Tremere was the first clan to support Vegard for Prince when everyone else voted for Shane. As for the clan, House Tremere as you know can be one house one voice, I am pretty sure I can get the clan to back the defense of Brittney's status."
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264Constance looks towards Brittney listening and she nods, "You must have really ruffled his feathers then if he was more direct with you." She says with a little knit in her brow thoughtfully. But the young nun's expression remains openly curious and unjudgemental. She makes no comment on the Prince's actions but her lips do press together into a thin line. Cedric's words draw Connie's attention and she takes a breath and looks towards Brittney. "That's not what I asked. I asked if your whole clan supports the letter she wrote."
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270Cedric seems a little confused, "A letter? I am not aware of any letter. So I can't say what we are or are not supporting."
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272Brittney nods to Cedric, then glances over to Constance. "I was just explaining the situation to him, but I feel he was in a pretty bad mood. I was just in his office a few hours ago and he sort of apologised for it. Kind of." She laughs slightly as she shakes her then, but then has a bit more serious expression. "Anyway I heard from him that someone had mentioned the idea that what I did was high treason. Which is absurd, and shows how fast some people will jump to creating drama."
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274You say, ???I'm not going to use anything on you to tell if you're lying or not. The other Harpy's might so as long as you're positive, Cedric that you've no idea about the letter.." She chews her lip before turning her long-lashed gaze to Brittney. She takes a deep breath and says very carefully, "The Camarilla is full if angry, testy, egotistical beasts who cling to the shreds of humanity that they can. Civility is how we maintain a world that does not devolve into the chaos that was before, the witch hunts and the diablerie and the insanity of anarchy. Therefore everyone you're dealing with has alliances, territory and tribe and every action you take. Every. Single. One. Invites scrutiny and action, if you do not know that you should not be primogen." She looks towards Cedric. Her voice as always is sweet, full of human concern and metered. "I suggest you read the letter and have a word with your Primogen about your clan's support of it. If there's even an ounce of concern over how your Primogen got her position or intends to maintain it your clan does -not- have the clout needed to survive this. Not survive it and make a difference in how the Prince treats the Council." She looks at them both her epression open but serious.???
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276Cedric shrugs, "I give you permission to use any power you want to see if I am lying. Is there any chance you have a copy of this letter? As for Brittney, she is working out her issues with the Prince. Unless she has called for the Prince to be overthrown in this letter then I think any threat to her life is just being over done. Myself and Brittney do have things to talk about, if you do hear anything could you give me a heads up?"
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278Brittney doesn't seems very concerned about the issue. "I know that, and I do not regret my choices and I got no problem with them. That is exactly why I did everything out in the open, and even spoke to the Prince about it. If I spoke to someone about this in some shady corner some where, by the time it go through the rumor mill and to the Prince he really might have thought I was plotting something evil. Now that would be real trouble. Instead he knows full well this was a symbolic gesture to show outrage over what he did. Obviously I shouldn't call him an asshole, even if it is just in front of the other primogen. So instead of doing something so tactless, we are going through this. It is politics, I am not worried about my self or the clan falling apart. Though I am worried about some random person trying to create drama out of it."
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280You say, ???Remember, a loss of Status is far preferable to a loss of one's head." She stands up an inclines her head to Brittney. "Good. I'm glad to hear you're unconcerned. Confidence is key in taking action. Good evening.???
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282You have voted for Brittney
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284You have voted for Cedric
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288You have voted for Cedric
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290Cedric has voted for you.
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292Cedric has voted for you.
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294Brittney has voted for you.
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296Brittney has voted for you.
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309???Logfile from CoH (Constance)
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311Log opened 05/03/2018 - 22:34:00
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313Connecting to game.cityofhopemush.net:8888...
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315Connected - 216.136.9.8 (portent.digital-genesis.com) - 05/03/2018 - 22:33:58
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318It is early in the evening when Constance gets a call from Cedrid, he asked to meet her in the chuch some where private. She told him to meet her at the chapel. When Cedric arrives he walks inside, "Greeting Constance wish I could say this was a social call. Afterwards if your bored I could see about bringing Bianca about."
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320Constance has been watering plants wiating for Cedric but when he arrives she sets the watering can aside and moves over to a set of chairs. "I see. Well, let's have a seat. I unfourtunately do not have a lot of time this evening but perhaps another day we can go and enjoy an evening t Bedlam and Burboun or Secrets. What can I do for you this evening?"
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322Cedric takes a seat in one of the chairs, he waits for Constance to sit down before he tell her his reason for being there, "Some one attacked Brittney status, we of course have no idea who. All she could get was a reason, and half that reason is a lie. While she said she was going to boycott a Primogen meeting she did attend that meeting. No clan has a better attendence record of attending meeting than House Tremere. Would you be able to tell me who attacked her status? Seeing how Martino status went up by the same amount, I am guessing it was Nino that attacked her status."
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324Cedric has a lot of think about, "So basically the status hit could have been worst?" He shakes his head, "Brittney was brought in for the sole purpose of being our Primogen. I do not see her position changing, I guess the only question is it worth it for my clan to repair her status. I would hate for this to start some type of status war."
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326Constance shakes her head, "That is not up to me. I warn you, there is a push for clans as a whole to start feeling the reprocussions of their Primogen's actions. I cannot stress enough that I don't wish this for you or Clan Tremere.." She touches Cedric's arm lightly. "So whatever it that the Chantry chooses to do, remember to do what is best for them. And wether Brittney's ..ah.. offensive nature is something you want being representative of you and yours. I normally try not to pry into what Arianna, Galdys and Jane are thinking unless they are completely out of line and being petty but in this case I think the public outlook has been changed too drastically for Brittneys status to be saved without a .. lot of real work."
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332Cedric nods, "Well you have given me a lot to think about. Speaking of Arianna and the others, how are you holding out. Are the Toreador still looking to remove you as Harpy? Are you still not going to call upon aide from the Prince?"
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334Constance shakes her head, "I do not know. I suspect you'd have a better knowledge of such than I would. I imagine it will come as quite a surprise to me when and if I hear anything about it. For now though it seems as if Arianna's plans are still being made and built up." She muses and then cants her head a bit. "And I will not. The Price doesn't need to rescue me, I am hardly a damsel."
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336Cedric phone buzzes a little. He looks at it, "Oh got a text from Brittney." He then shakes his head to Constance, "Maybe not not a damsel in distriss but it was the Prince that recruited you to the position so it is not like he does not have a role in all of this."
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338You say, ???I could have fought him.???
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340You say, ???I could have fought him." She seems oddly positive in that, "If I had found the position terribly offensive. My goal has been to help out when and where I can and I feel that I've done so here. Hopefully. How is she?" She nods to the text, "I know it's rough when everything seems to happen all at once.???
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342Cedric text Brittney back, then looks to Constance, "Oh she is telling me she is just arrived home from the Primogen meeting. I know she feels that her efforts to bring sanity to the meetings are blount, when she uses nice words to explain why what they are trying to do is wrong they just ignore her."
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344Constance frowns a bit, "That is unfourunate. But not unexpected given that her status has been in steady decline." Her brows draw in with concern over her wide blue eyes. "What did they have to say?"
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346Cedric shakes his head, "I believe this is the first time her status has been hit. She did gain additional status from a boon she had from Prince Shane, but it seems that boon has been voided I guess sense he has been away for so long. As for the Primogen meetings, I am not sure what was said. I could tell Brittney to come here, she was actually at the meeting."
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348Constance nods, "If she'd feel comfortable, Cedic. Certainly. If she has a concern with how the Primogen Council is acting I see no harm in her voicing it. Though I daresay she might want to start doing favors for people to bring her status up some if she wants them to listen.."
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350Cedric nods to Constance, "Well she is in the area." Cedric text Brittney to come by, "She shall be here soon."
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352Constance nods and looks to Francis, "Would you mind seeing that Brinnety's led to the chapel?" She asks the Father who inclines his head and heads out to make sure that the Tremere Primogen is lead into the Chapel proper.
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354Brittney arrives a short time later, and smiles as she walks in. She looks to Cedric then to Constance and gives a slight nod of her head, "Good evening. I hope you are both doing well tonight?"
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356Cedric looks to Brittney, "Greetings Brittney, thank you for joining us after your Primogen meeting. I was meeting with Constance to talk about the status hit you suffered. While I was not given names, it appears it was not from one person but several powerful people."
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358Constance lifts a hand, "I'm dong wonderfully. Good evening, Brittney and Cedric is right. Unfourtunately the status combined of those who took offense at your actions were considerable." She says sympathetically. "It may be why you're experiencing such difficulties in your position. Please, have a seat and join us."
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360Brittney smiles as she takes a seat and looks over to Constance, "I have been a Primogen for a long time, before I came back to the city from being away for a while I was primogen then as well. From my perspective the Primogen council seems to be spiralling out of control. I am experiencing trouble because I am trying to bring sanity to the council, and they resist the very idea. You know what we were speaking about today?"
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362Cedric shakes his head but shall let Brittney now do most of the talking.
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364You say, ???No, I am not appraised of the minutes before most meetings and rarely am informed until everyone else is. I believe it seems fairer, as for the Primogen Council, I have heard whispers of some rocky intrigue but unless someone takes terrible offense I'm not usually drawn in. Please, feel free to speak your mind.???
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370Brittney nods slightly, "Well there is actually several things, but lets start with this. They want to hold court meetings outside of Elysium so they can attack and hurt people during court. Seriously. You might know about what happened since you are a Harpy, but I am just going by what people said at the meeting. Apparently a harpy told the Prince he can't commit violance inside Elysium, so he came up with a solution. We will just hold weekly court in other locations outside of Elysium so they can use as much violance as they want against people. When I mentioned how that might make some people uncomfortable the general attitude seemed to be screw those people, they don't have to come. Am I missing something here? Doesn't that seem rather strange, to start holding weekly court outside Elysium so you can beat people up or kill them while they are attending court?"
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372Constance's brows lift and she shakes her head a little. But after taking some time to consider she replies carefully, "Well the Harpy in this case is correct, even Prince's are beholden to the rules of Elysium. But so is the Praxis beholden to the choices of the Prince. If he desires to have Open Courts in a place not Declared Elysium incase he may have to dispose of those he considered a threat to the Praxis then that is his, moderately unorthodox, perogative. Closed Courts being held in places not Elysium might raise an eyebrow more but I've heard no one come to the Harpies as a whole that has an issue with it and if the Primogen back him - what can be done? Has anyone else voiced concerns?"
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374Brittney shakes her head slightly, "This should be kept private, as I don't want rumors to be spreading around about specific people on the council but no, they don't see to care. Or perhaps they don't think it is wise to say anything against the prince? Some might say I am a crazy rebel who is overstepping my position, but all I said was this seemed very shady and that we should advise the prince to have court within Elysium. There is definitely acceptable ways for the Prince to enforce punishments within Elysium, and things of that nature. Going out of your way to hold court outside Elysium for the sole reason of being able to use violance against people attending court is very suspicious. Not that I think anyone is up to anything, however apperances should be upheld. It isn't uncommon for punishments to happen in Elysium, nor for the Sheriff and Keeper to have weapons and enforce security there. There is a proper way to do things but this seems very odd. People don't seem to take stances like that favorably. I didn't say the prince couldn't do it, but if we don't mention the possibile negative side effects of it, we wouldn't be doing our job would be?"
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376You say, ???It seems that that would be the bes way to get what you want out; unfourunately rumors are sort of my business. But as always, everything is kept private as it's discussed with me unless it's brought to the Harpy group as a whole." She demures. "Prospect is a unique city and it brings with it unique and interesting challenges when it comes to compensating for the Praxis as a whole. Were this place to be run as Traditional.. Well. I think we would see a lot of angry kindred. So some accomidations must be accepted and made. That said I have always prefered a more traditional approach and I can say that I know that Prince Torvik would prefer that too. And that a productive discussion with him on it might not be in your best interest - state your case to him since ultimately it's his choice. Or.. make your protestations by not attending Court, and send your Whip in your place. It's obvious that the Council has already made their choices, right?"???
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378Brittney shrugs slightly, "I think holding court outside Elysium so you can kill people is more than a little unorthodox. Though to be honest, I am not entirely sure how the council feels. While they were very stern on the idea that we can't even suggest there is a problem with this issue, last week when the question was asked if each clan should create a location to hold court, they nearly unanimously voted against. Many of which I believe was due to them not wanting to hold court that was not consider elyisum and was assoicated with their clans. Though can you blame them? You wouldn't want to have people beat up or even killed in your clan's private establishment. Anyway, that is why I need to speak out on these issues, because while many seem to agree, they are not willing to say anything. The same thing happened last time as well. Nearly everyone agreed that the prince shouldn't interrupt the meeting and insult everyone, but everyone said that asking him not to do it was slanderous. Despite the fact, that the Prince has specifically told us to give him advise on these type of things."
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384You say, ???We all have our limits. I believe the Torviks may have met theirs given some of the pushback they've gotten from other powerful clans, perhaps less dutiful than your own, I can completely understand why. I might suggest making an effort to advise him about it and if the Council wont do it then do so on your own. You may need to excuse yourself and beg his pardon but in the end having -him- hear your words is obviously important. I personally do not disagree with your assessment but I am not on his Inner Council and I am also notoriously pacifistic. I also find stating your case without offering alternatives but letting him know you've considered some tends to warm him. That way it will not come off as dictation /or/ complaint without forthought. I am privvy to that much at least. People who complain lately do so without any sort of alternative or simply make demands. Neither are appropriate."???
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386Brittney sits back and shrugs slightly "I tried speaking with him privately once, and I got the impression that he didn't care in the slightest in anything I had to say. He seems like a person who once he had made up his mind, will never change. He has made up his mind and decided he is going to do this, he decided he was going to do this a long time ago and wasn't going to even tell the council his plan. I highly doubt me coming to him alone would do a single thing. Which is why I thought it was important to speak out as a council. Of course that is another issue, that the council is a bit of a joke these day. In just the meeting tonight, this wasn't the only issue, there was another that in my opinion seems like nothing but rampant corruption."
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388Constance's hands are offered out, wrists up and a small smile on her face, "I could attempt to broach it with him but you've asked I discuss nothing with him. If you change your mind I can talk to him." Her brows draw together and her lips press together. "What other issues do you feel failed to be in the Prais' best interest?"
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390Brittney shakes her head slightly, "I have nothing against Amelie, but the council made up a seat so she can be primogen. Literally, they voted on if she should be a primogen and then made up the seat afterwards. They decided she would be primogen for the unaligned people in the city. Yet the unaligned people are not allowed to vote who their primogen is, and are not allowed to have any say in the matter. If she ever steps down the position is gone, because the seat it tied to her, not the people she represents. It doesn't exists unless she holds it. One person went so far as to say that the unaligned people are all worthless thinbloods and should have no say in any matter at all, and then voted for Amelie to be primogen because she is their friend." She shakes her head slightly, "I am not opposed to unaligned people having someone to represent them, but what is this that they have no say what so ever in who it is, and can never change it or they automatically lose it?"
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392You say, ???Yes, I had heard about that." She lifts her shoulder, "There was a time Madeline was our Primogen when she was Keeper. Not long before Amelie took over as Keeper and Madeline changed positions. I don't believe it was 'made up' so much as they decided to shuffle all of us 'Not Proper' clans." She wrinkles her nose a bit. "I don't disbelieve that it's a position that's given. But we, I believe, a few months ago were asked to decide. Personally I abstained due to.. well.. my position. You'd have to ask the other underrepresented clans if they spoke aye or nay about it.???
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394Brittney shakes her head, "No, it was made up just for her. The idea of clanless people having a primogen and getting a say has been around for a long time, so it isn't like that part came out of no where. However, they were very specific that the position was for her to become primogen and that the unaligned people were just an excuse to give her a reason to stay on the council." She pauses for a moment as she lets out a sigh, "I would understand it they pretended to make a seat for the unaligned people and then gave it to her. That is politics, it is how things work. But no. They came right out and said specifically this isn't a seat for the unaligned at the table, it was because they missed her and wanted her to come to the meetings again and were going to make up the seat as an excuse."
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396Constance's brows lift and she makes a little noise in the back of her throat. "How interesting. Again, there's very little I can do if you want me to keep this quiet, Brittney. I agree that all seems very.. Questionable. But it's not atypical for that to be the case. I can investigate it for you but someone's going to get suspicious. Still, if you feel the Prince finds them useless and you believe they've become the same It seems to me you have common ground."
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402Brittney smiles slightly, "I actually created an extremely detailed plan on how to restructure the council and resolve all the issues it has been having and all the issues the prince is having with it as well. It was originally my intent to share it with him but I realized it was a hopeless goal. There is absolutely no way he would have even considered a single part of it."
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404Constance looks between Cedric who's been quiet and Brittney. "You've got a long, long time on this earth in front of your Brittney. The 'why bother' outlook might work for making it a boring safe exsistance but alternately, if you're going to take chances that lower your status in the eyes of the praxis why not take risks that might raise them? Fatalism really gets us no where.
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406Cedric chimes in, "Part of the plan was for him to share some of his Princely powers, no way that was going to happen."
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408Brittney shakes her head slightly, "Except in this case I know what one hundred percent certainty, that he would have outright rejected the idea, and perhaps even tried to kill me for even suggesting it. I do have sense not to wander into a lion's den with straps of meat hanging off of me. It isn't fatalism but reality here."
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410Brittney smiles as she looks over to Cedric, "It is call delegating, and it works. Though yes, that is how he would see it and he would not take kindly to it at all."
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412Constance holds up her hands, "I cannot speak for the Prince or anyone else. Regardless this would be the time for you to decide - are you going to do something about it or are you not? And if you are, you will have to accept that there are people who will contest you. I've given you what advice I can and that is the help I can offer you both save for listening when you need it." She offers sincerely. "Also, I offered to go into the Lions Den for you, do not forget that."
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414You say, ???Also I believe Vegard does deligate.. Just perhaps not how everyone might wish him to.???
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416Cedric shakes his head to Brittney, "I am not going to tell Constance the details of your plan. If I did I think she would find some of the aspects of them extreme."
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418Brittney nods her head, "I appricate that, but if you go to talk to him, he is going to know you talked to me and will likely come after me next." She gives a slight shrug, "I am really do not think the Prince has any intention of harming me, but then he does want to hold court outside Elysium for the sole purpose killing people and he threatens me every time I see him." She nods to Cedric, "Perhaps, but there is a lot of problems, so they are needed. Though I know some might think they are extreme, which is why I have not shared it with anyone else." She looks to Constance, "When you are living in a city that is hostile as this one is, some caution is required."
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420Constance snorts and exhales. "You'd be surprised at the things I've heard, Cedric." She laughs again. "But it comes down to the question of how can I help? I'd like to ensure that this decline doesn't continue but I am only one voice in Chorus of Harpies and though I am the most temprant one I am not the majority."
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422She shakes her head at Brittney. "I wish I had more comfort to offer you. If you wish, offer your opinions to the Harpies. I o not give my sources as it's considered bad manners. I don't think the other Elder harpies would either and I'm certain you could persuade Arianna to keep her mouth shut as long as she thought you were going against my wishes."
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424Cedric looks to Brittney, "I believe I told you before, Madeline and Arianna are trying to push Constance out as harpy."
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426Brittney laughs slightly, "They are not extreme as in weird or anything, they were all things you may see in a normal Camarilla city, just not in this city. The Prince wants an extremely weak council that he can easily control however, and my suggestions would create a stronger council. The goal is not to take away his power, but to put the council in a position where it can actually have an impact on the city and improve things. He would most certainly take it as an attack on himself. After all, he has taken all of my more subtle approaches to increasing the strength of the council as an attack on him self, so a more extreme method is out of the question." She looks to Cedric and nods. "Yeah you did."
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428You say, ???I disagree with you a little in that regard. The Prince id want a strong Council. Perhaps it was while you were away but all he got was Courts where no one brought anything up. Primogen who did nothing. The only people who reported to him about his city were Me, his Sherriff and Madeline when she was Seneschel and that was not much. So before you get all upset with him keep in mind that the Primogen have been etrodinarily neglegent for some time.???
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430Cedric waves a finger, "As much as I hate to disagree with you Constance, that is not one hundred percent true. When I was Primogen and Whip I would often bring up topics. Some of there were so good the chair person at the time tried to take credit for the subjects I brought up. When Madeline became chair person she changed the days of the meeting to the nights I could not attend and now Whips are not even allowed to talk at the Primogen meeting, so I could not come in to help even if I wanted to. I do believe the Prince wants a strong Primogen, but the system he put in place make it weaker."
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432Brittney shakes her head slightly, "I have heard that many times before, however his words and actions do not match up." She looks to Cedric and nods, then looks back to Constance. "I explained him the flaws in the system, which is making the council weak and he flipped out. He insulted me, my clan and even threaten me. The idea that one of his actions may have been the cause of the council weakening was something he would absolutely not hear."
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434You say, ???I said for a time, Cedric, I can only speak from when I returned to the Tower and the words that were given to me. If you feel otherwise then I'll take your word for it but perception is more often the key to how things are done than pure truth as regretable as that may be." She bobs her head, "You may feel he's making the Council weak Brittney but the Council, if what you say is correct, are the ones allowing it. If that is the case then the Council may well not be long for this city. It is not unheard of for a Prince to decide that a Council does not benefit the city in any way and again, from what you're telling me, they arent. You might consider preparing ways to keep your clan useful or on top of things."???
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440Brittney shakes her head slightly, "The Prince stacked the council with yes men and sycophants and ruthlessly goes after any who disagrees with him. Yes the council allows this, but it is because they can't say anything otherwise. They are either too afraid of punishment or too indebted to the prince to point out the problems. As you can see the moment I stood up for the council I was attacked and I lost status, and now the Prince picks a fight with me every time he sees me as if to warn others 'disagree with me and this is what you will get.' There was actually a vote by the primogen council itself to disband the council. That is how bad things had gotten. That is when I stood up and told the Prince straight to his face what the real problem was, because no else would. I thought we hit the bottom then, but things have not gotten any better."
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442Constance presses her lips together listening quietly and then looks to Cedric and her brows lift. "And do you feel the same way?"
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444Cedric shrugs, "I do believe that the Prince has stacked the Primogen council. Look at who is on it. His wife, his mother in law, his sheriff, his pupil and deputy. And most importatly outside of Madeline all of them have other duties. This is a large praxis, yet all the power and positions are held by a few. I do disagree with Brittney in that if she really wanted to make an effort, I believe she could get along with the Prince. Yes it might involve kissing up some, but this is politics people give out compliments and flattery all the time to help them look better in the Prince's eye. Britney is just too proud to do such."
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446Constance bobs her head and smiles at Cedric before looking back to Brittney. "In the end it is your position and your choice. Your actions reflect on the entirety of your clan and being Primogen means that soemtimes you have to play ball when you don't really want too. Otherwise; you have to look very carefully at your options because thus far your actions have only damaged yourself and shed no light on the issues you are speaking of. If anything it's helped to shuffle them away based simply on how that much status has stacked against you. And trust me when I say, if Vegard wanted people dead? He wouldn't have to close Elysium to do it. He has an Assamite in his hand.."
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448Brittney frowns slightly as she looks to Cedric and then back to Constance, "You know I genuinely wanted to help the Prince. He was asking for the council to do something, anything to improve the situation, he was practically begging for it. I knew I should of just kept silent like the yes men and let it pass, but I really felt for him in that moment, so I told him the truth and how to fix the situation, and I have been paying for it ever since. How do you help someone who holds no interest in being help?"
449
450Constance smiles warmly answering in earnest, "You'd be surprised at all the opportuitie that can begin witha simple Hello." She says gently. "You take the chance, or you don't. But I do suggest a change in your tactics. As frustrating and even annoying as it's going to be."
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453Cedric shrugs, "You help them in two ways, stop appearing as the opposition which puts a target on your back and instead start looking like a friend to them. One is is more likely to take bad advice from a friend than to listen to good advice from an enemy. As Constance suggested earlier have alternatives. Don't have something as if you don't do what I say then you are wrong, give them options." Cedric looks to the time, "Sadly I do need to be leaving soon."
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455Brittney shrugs slightly, "In the end, isn't that House Tremere's fate? Being disliked but being far to useful to get rid of? I am not entirely opposed to that path. I would rather give good advance and be ignored, than give bad advise and be listed to, because eventually that bad advise will blow up in their face, and they will come around to the good advise."
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457Constance bobs her head and smiles at Cedric. "Thank you for dropping by, it's always nice to talk." She tells Cedric with a little wiggle of her fingers in farewell. She glances to Brittney, "If that's the fate you wish them to have, believe them to have, then that is the fate they will have."
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459Cedric has voted for you.
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461Cedric has voted for you.
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463Cedric goes home.
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465You have voted for Cedric
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467You have voted for Cedric
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469You have voted for Brittney
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471You have voted for Brittney
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473Brittney waves to Cedric then smiles as she looks to Constance, "You say that, but I have always been civil to them, and treated them with respect. I have never stopped cooperating with them. The only thing I have done is pointed out when they come up with really bad ideas, such as killing people in court, which should be a place of peace if you actually want people to attend."
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475Brittney has voted for you.
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477Brittney has voted for you.
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479You say, ???I do say that all while understanding that that is what you believe to be the truth." She shakes her head and offers gently, "But what you desire is going to take mroe than that and only you can decide if you want to put forth the effort.???
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481Brittney nods slightly, "And I do have plans to try other things as well. With the other Primogen members. When it comes to the Prince himself however, I know he has no interesting in anything I have to say, so it is a waste of time."
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483Constance sighs, "Pardon me for being blunt, Brittney, I know you don't know me as well as Cedric but I will extend you the same courtsey I do him. I am more liable to know Prince Torviks mind than you are, and you speak in broad sweeps of impossibilities. Show him you're worth it and you may find yourself pleasently surprised and wrong."
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485Brittney shrugs slightly, "That is easy for you to say, he wasn't threatening and insulting you. Every time I try to help him, he attacks me. Literally, every issue came from me doing what he wanted. He wanted to fix the council so I told him how, he threaten me. He said if we have a problem we should go meet him one on one to work things out, I went to meet him one on one and he insulted me again. He said he would like it if I went to court more often, so I go to court and he goes out of his way to hassle me over it. Seriously, what do I do if trying to cooperate with him and doing what he wants only pisses him off?"
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487You say, ???I cannot say and I'm not in a position to find out." She says and shakes her head, "But I suggest being dillegent in your work n continuing to make yourself indespenable to the Praxis. It's really the best advice I can give, that or letting someone take your place as Primogen for a while so you are less distressed and can focus more on the Chantry itself." She looks up and towards the door as the Father pokes his head in then looks to Brittney. "Morning services start soon which means we should no doubt had to our respective dens before the sun rises. If you do need me, please don't hesitte to come. I will keep your confidence."???
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493Brittney shakes her head slightly, "Cedric is in charge of the chantry and he can take care of those issues. I have no plans of stepping down from Primogen. Nor do I think things are as bad as some may try to make it sound. After all, I bring a lot to the table at the meetings as far as insight and differing opinions go." She nods her head, "Have a good evening."
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495Constance nods, "And you as well." She says lifting a hand before taking her watering can and broom to head out of the chapel and dissapear before morning services can start.
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499ERROR: You have too many recent votes for Brittney
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501There???s no place like home...
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508Log 4
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510???Logfile from CoH (Constance)
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512Log opened 09/02/2018 - 01:03:08
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516Connected - 216.136.9.8 (portent.digital-genesis.com) - 08/02/2018 - 22:24:50
517
518Hands of Hope Mission - Chapel(#7489R)
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520 Here there is a simple Chapel. It looks like it was an atrium or green house room before it was made into a chapel. The workings are simple. A wooden framework made carefully to contain the panes so carefully held in their gentle grasp. The side panels have been replaced with stained glass windows. These show pictures of places rather than people. The scenes seem to depict gardens, forests, mountains and seaside. Above the skylights can be closed off if needed but usually they are open to show the sky above no matter the weather. The pews are mismatched and the coushions are clearly home-made. The hymn books seem to be donations. Despite this having been converted from a greehouse there are plants that hang and are placed among the room to brighten it's severety and on the dias there are the chairs for the preciding ministers to sit. These are simple high backed affairs and not lavish at all; there is no podium and the backdrop of the dias is a massive arched trellace that has ivy winding around it offering a backdrop. Most noticeably there is no singular religion symbolised here and there's a lot of room not taken up by the meager collection of pews.
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522Obvious Exits:
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524Out <O>
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526[Camarilla] Devious Shutterbug Violet says, ???oooh slick???
527
528Caerus comes into the Chapel.
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530Caerus follows in and looks about. He nods softly. "A place of peace and hope." He looks at her, "It is a reflection on you." He purses his lips a little and then says, "I will be opening a new church soon, not one to any of the gods but more as ancestor worship. It will be called the House of Memory, or Home. There we will be offering free services for burial, honoring family and heros, celebrations of life and remeberance. We will be offering free burial services for all that are in need, creamation when needed as well."
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533Constance laughs and shakes her head her nose wrinkling. "It's a reflection of my faith perhaps." She murmurs before turning to face Caerus with a curious expression. She listens for a moment and smiles warmly, "That sounds lovely. Greif counceiling and bereviment support is hard to find these days. People are too busy or too attatched." She nods, "It's a good service you're doing. How can I help?"
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535Caerus says, "Direct people my way that are in need, and in return when I find those that have spiritual need, I will direct them to you. I am also a GateKeeper and help spirits that remain here finish what they need to do to be able to let go and enter into their next life. If may help is needed at all in that regard, let me know as well. I do not fear to travel where others will not go."
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537Constance smiles, "I dont think I've many of the restles dead here but there are sometimes those in need and occasinally we have an old soul who passes on in these walls. I'll be certain to keep in touch with you and thank you, so much, for the offer. It's not something we've really ever had support with before."
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539Caerus nods a little and says, "How are you doing? How is your balance your unlife with all you are?" He seems like he is conflicted over something.
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541Constance turns and gestures for Caerus to follow her over towards some of the chairs that have already been set out for the weekend Masses. "Peaceful. Comfortable. I have no qualms with how I live my life and if I did I would change it. You seem concerned or unsettled. I am a surprisingly good listener."
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543Caerus sits and runs his fingers though his hair, "I haven't spoken of this with anyone but the more I help the dead, the more I have concerns over how the protect the mortals that are under our protection. I find myself not wanting to do the things I glady accepted as necessay all my long years."
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545Constance's head tilts as she considers Caerus and her bright blue eyes glimmer lightly. "Well. There are several ways you can go about soothing your conscience, Caerus. Protecting mortals is a mindset. First, you must realize, if we're starving? We cannot protect Mortals. We are a danger to them. Second, if we wish not to victimize people, there are ways to feed without making people victims. There are those who enjoy it. Those who seek pleasures of the flesh to share it. There are those who seek out a group of people who enjoy keeping a group of mortals under their protection. I take my blood from donations, bags that are being discarded not because they're unhealthy but because of an unfourtuntely lucky loophole that homosexuals cannot donate." She smiles sadly.
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547Caerus nods softly at that, "I have a group that I use almost selectively now. Long ago I hunted for pleasure, now I find I don't desire that anymore. I need the blood, so must take it. I have tried animal blood, but it is too weak to sustain my age. I wonder if our protection of other Kindred is right when they are allowed to kill for pleasure. That had never bothered me before."
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549Caerus says, "I find myself wanting to take action against them."
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555You say, ???Most of the Tower do not kill for pleasure or even for food." She reaches out to touch Caerus' arm. "We cannot be the Keepers of our brothers. Judgement and Wrath are reserved for Heaven and it's Hosts. We, instead, must lead our best lives. And when we choose to, dedicate our lives and our time instead to what can be done. We could dwell a million years on fault and pain, on who's a monster and who's not and we would waste a million years. We could waste a millon years on ervenge, or waiting for tose who commited the wrongs to fix them.. Or instead we can do this.." She looks around and back to Caerus. "We can take responsibility for ourselves and we can lend ourselves to making our world a better place."???
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557Caerus nods and stands, "I'll think on what you have said. If there is anything you need here, anyone that comes to bother you, I am but a phone call away."
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559Constance blinks and takes her hand away looking concerned suddenly. "I'm sorry if I offended. Thank you, we always need volunteers. Even if it's justto do dishes. Have a good night, Caerus and thank you for visiting with me. Though, later, I'd like to hear more about wht happened at the Crown."
560
561Caerus nods, "Ok. Ok. We can do that. I'll come back in a few days and check on you." He offers a small smile and then turns and heads out.
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563Constance continues to look confused but smiles and nods. "Goodnight."
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572Constance is at the Mission. It's late so it's dead silent, everyones asleep at this time of the evening. The Sister is sitting at the front desk finishing up the daily reports as she hums to herself softly with the music coming from the radio. it's odd seeing the usually busy place so quiet, so.. dead. Especially with only a few lights on.
573
574Cedric takes a look around as he walks inside. He walks over to Constance, "Hey there Constance how have you been doing. I am glad that I met with you last time. Your reaction to me and more importantly to what Brittney wrote gave me me a heads up that something was wrong."
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580You enter the Chapel.
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582Hands of Hope Mission - Chapel(#7489R)
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584 Here there is a simple Chapel. It looks like it was an atrium or green house room before it was made into a chapel. The workings are simple. A wooden framework made carefully to contain the panes so carefully held in their gentle grasp. The side panels have been replaced with stained glass windows. These show pictures of places rather than people. The scenes seem to depict gardens, forests, mountains and seaside. Above the skylights can be closed off if needed but usually they are open to show the sky above no matter the weather. The pews are mismatched and the coushions are clearly home-made. The hymn books seem to be donations. Despite this having been converted from a greehouse there are plants that hang and are placed among the room to brighten it's severety and on the dias there are the chairs for the preciding ministers to sit. These are simple high backed affairs and not lavish at all; there is no podium and the backdrop of the dias is a massive arched trellace that has ivy winding around it offering a backdrop. Most noticeably there is no singular religion symbolised here and there's a lot of room not taken up by the meager collection of pews.
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591Cedric comes into the Chapel.
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593Cedric shrugs, "I wish I could go into detail, but some things have been happening involving House Tremere. Things House Tremere would rather or not be involved in. We are finally getting on track again, having clan meetings as well as having ghouls join us. We don't need these distraction."
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595You say, ???Given what's happening in the city I'd wager the Praxis as a whole does not." She shakes her head, "But I'm not the type of person to tell people how to tend their homes only offer them comfort when they need. Was there anything I could help you with????
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597Cedric shrugs, "If by the city you mean Alejandro then yes I understand. If there is something more happening with in the city do let me know. There are something things you could help with but I do not want to involve you because you would not want to be involved. The Toreador are dominating the rumors eliminating the negative rumors about them and what Madeline did to House Tremere they then put in their version of what happened. I doubt House Tremere will be able to counter till perhaps we get our own harpy."
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600You say, ???Alejandro and the Giovanni should not be a shock to anyone who's studied recent Kindred affairs outside the Tower." She lifts a shoulder. "But it is part of what I speak of, the rest, I don't know. Rumors mostly and to speak them without confirmation would be reckless on my part. As for helping, you're a friend, Cedric. I would offer what help I could if you felt it would allieviate any of your stress.." When he talks about getting a Harpy for Clan Tremere she arches an eyebrow. "I believe Arianna has less influence as Harpy than you might consider. She has not been making the bet of impressions lately. Something she blames me for I'm afraid."???
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602Cedric shrugs, "With Guivre becoming Primogen, you are the most experienced Harpy, perhaps even the head Harpy, isn't that how this works? As I understand it only a Harpy can remove a rumor. There are several rumors that I would like removed. Even if Arianna does not have much influence, she has her clan backing her. You do not have a clan backing you, so I would not want to put you in the middle of issues that I have with Madeline. While her clan would back her, I know my clan would back me."
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604You say, ???Oh no, not here. I have as much say as Arianna or the others." She rattles off the NPC Harpy names. "Generally whatever the median of our choices are is what happens. A harpy cannot really remove rumors, but we can arrange Prestation so that any bad behavior can be repaid in kind and someone can regain the status they lost when they lost face. But for that there has to be a willingness to comprimise and I've not seena whole lot of that lately. As for a clan backing me, no, I do not Cedric. I have my faith and my friends and that is all. I am well aware of where I stand and I am not afraid.???
605
606Cedric rubs his chin, "What about the opposite, could you raise the status of others. Plus you did not sound too pleased when I suggestt hat House Tremere try to get it own Harpy. Do you feel that there are too many Harpies as it is, or would you be against such for another reason?"
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608Constance's teeth find her lip, "I've always been honest with you Cedric, I don't know why this is something that is hard for me to say. But I do not believe a Tremere Harpy is in your or this Praxis' best interest. It would look like exactly what it is and you know Madeline and Arianna wouldn't stand for it and it would just clinch any ideas they might have. I feel you would be better suited to doing what Tremere do best.. and letting other Kindred squabble. Remanding and reproaching those in the Chantry who need it - and some do, Cedric, your bloodline does not make your House infallable - and letting other people build their pillow forts and play war. As for raising status, yes, I can and I have done what I can. But Arianna is going to oppose me on everything I do because I have shone a light on her ineptitudes so .. I dont thikn I can do you any favors there."
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610Cedric shrugs, "Well if you are against the idea of us having one, I guess it would not happen. I am pretty sure having a Tremere Harpy would need your blessing. I am getting the feeling that Guivre was not much of an ally to House Tremere in Harpy matters so I guess that it is good he is now a Primogen. House Tremere does what it needs to do, if we needed to invest time in having status to compete with the Toreador we would. I feel it is better to fight on many levels then to concede anything to them so they can just look to dominate us in another area."
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613You say, ???Don't attribute me more power than I have. If you put one forth and the Praxis accepted them then they would be Harpy." She chides gently. "All I said is I think it's .. a bad idea. Guivre however was often and in many cases quite neutral in his judgements from what I have witnessed, but the majority has always been with Gladys and the others. Temperance is nothing if it is outweighed by the public opinion. And if public opinion is steered by the Toerador and the Chantry can't compete it seems more logical to divert your efforts to wher they -can- excel.???
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615Cedric grins, "House Tremere can excel at what ever House Tremere wants to do. It is one of the reasons why so many of the other clans hate us. Rome was not built in a day, there is no need to have a Tremere Harpy tonight or tomorrow. I am just glad to hear that while you think it is not a good idea, it is not something you would look to stop. If you do not mind could you get to know Sybil? I have no problems introducing you two in the future if need be."
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617Constance lifts her fingers to her lip to attempt to dampen an amused smile. It's not cruel but it definately is amused by something Cedric says, "No one argues that Clan Tremere has been able to pull of nigh impossible feats." She says quietly, "But I will say this one last thing to you on the matter and I implore you do not mishear me or let my ears fall on deaf ears. You will -not- out social a Rose garden. You cannot. You and your clan are not sharming enough." Oh so blunt. "What your clan is /good/ at is being indispencable to a power that is -not- a Democracy." She nods a few times her brows knitting before smiling again. "I will, of course, meet Sybil. I'm happy to help your clan whne and where I can."
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623Cedric chuckles, "House Tremere is what ever it needs to be. Though perhaps we should throw a party or something similar to show you and others who doubt us just what we are capable of when it social dealing. I am not saying we can out social the Toreador, I am saying we can give them competition." He shrugs, "Though I do admit thier great numbers do not give us much leeway." He smiles to Constance, "Any way, I am thinking more mid terms, like around June. I will heed your advice and will not be depressed if it does not work, but to not try would almost be a crime."
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625You say, ???Mid terms?" She blinks slowly and her head tilts a bit. "I am afraid I've forgotten when that is as I've not been to school in some time. I do hope it fares better for you than I suspect. As Arianna and the Toreaddor are set though I will not be in the position I am now, I'm sure, to aid you." She seems oddly calm about the whole affair. "And when and where would you like me to meet Sybil????
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627Cedric shakes his head, "No not mid terms as in the grading period. I mean there are short range plans, there are long range plans I consider the Tremere Harpy attempt to be in the range of of mid range, in between short and long. How active are the Toreador in trying to push you out, I assume you have Vegard support for you to stay where you are. Plus preparing for the worst if you are pushed out then what would you do?"
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629Constance puts a hand to her chest and oh's blushing slightly, "I'm sorry." She nods at the explination. "I have asked Vegard not to concern himself with my position or lack thereof at the time, Cedric. There are bigger things to worry about than the temperments of the Harpies. That's the Praxis' worry, not his. Because the Harpies they pick, inevitable, will be the people who hold their status in their hands. For good or ill. If I were pushed out, I would have my reputation shredded like any Harpy would. I have been told Arianna would like to see me dead or out of the city but .. that would be an incredibly foolish move on her part. I would stay and focus on my Mission as I've always done. I just would not have the clout to have anyone's ear. I suspect I would be less distressed than others considering I was hoping that if Arianna had turned out to be reasonable that I could take a step back anyway."
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631Cedric rubs his chin thinking, "Do you need people of status backing you if you are to stay where you are. With out Vegard support how do you think you can hold on? Plus you do know my offer and plans for you still stand. House Tremere would be very pleased to have you, not to mention I am pretty sure the Toreador would rather have you with any clan but the Tremere, in a way it would be fitting if they pushed you to us."
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633Constance laughs, "Madeline might have wanted me for her Garden at one point. But I think that's changed some when she knows that I'm not entirely sure what to think of her. As for people backing me, if people -want- me here they need to decide if they want to back me. That is how Hapridom works; we rest on the laurels of our favor as much as anyone else. If those in high regard hold me above it then I will remain as I am. If not then I will fall like many before me who were not ...savvy enough to keep hold. Though yes, I imagine it would be a little irksome for Madeline for me to join Clan Tremere." She chuckles quietly.
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635Cedric smiles "That would be poetic justice. As I said earlier House Tremere is just starting to get on track again. I can't put us in position to help anyone till I feel we have a strong foundation. We are getting there slowly but surely, I just hope we can get that foundation fortified in enough time to help you. As for meeting with Sybil, there is no rush, any time you are free. Plus our ghoul Morgan is always looking to make more friends. I am sure she would love to spend time with you."
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637Constance nods, "I look foreward to meeting them both as you seem to have a good opinion of them." She says brightly. She smooths her fingers through her hair, "I imagine that after the last few hiccups the Chantry is eager to get on with solidifying themselves and their positions in the Tower once more. I sincerely hope they do. I recently met Caerus."
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639"Really?" Cedric seems surprised, "He and Sybil are two of our most social Tremere. I would have thought you met Caerus several times by now. I am sure that meeting went well you two. If you want some advice, even though I have not yet met her just yet I think Lillian would be a good ally to try and gain. She is a recent Primogen and so far has not been corrupted by Madeline just yet." Cedric think for a second, "You know what, my advice is so good I should take it myself. I should meet with her myself before Madeline does corrupt her. Sadly I do need to leave it was great talking with you again Constance, I do hope everything works out."
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641Cedric has voted for you.
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643Cedric has voted for you.
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645You have voted for Cedric
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647You have voted for Cedric
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649Constance smiles. "It will, one way or another. My world will not end just because I don't have to hear people complain about eachother anymore." She winks at Cedric and stands. "Thank you for coming, I always enjoy talking. "I'll try and meet with Lillian and thre others.
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651Cedric goes home.