· 9 years ago · Nov 30, 2016, 05:22 AM
120:45:06] <D> i was reading this in the perspective of uploaders
2[20:45:28] <D> I was not yelling at us, but people that make reports and just file it under "other"
3[20:45:51] <Mirai> lol
4[20:45:54] <D> Mirai
5[20:45:58] <D> under Lineage 2.
6[20:46:08] <D> How do you feel about leaving those reports
7[20:46:21] <D> It lets people with large libraries know quickly that something can be trumped
8[20:46:25] <D> promotes torrent competition
9[20:46:35] <Mirai> D Shit, I forgot people can actually _see_ reports.
10[20:46:50] <D> Instead, I suggest this
11[20:46:50] <Mirai> D Good idea actually let's do that.
12[20:46:59] <D> When you happen upon Lineage 2.
13[20:47:44] <Rise> that's a good point
14[20:47:50] <D> Edit the report info to say this: "There may not be anything inherently wrong with this torrent. The report will remain as a flag for individuals seeking to upload this file with the lineage reports."
15[20:48:25] <D> That way uploaders of those non-lineage things will feel a little more comfrtable that people arent just hiding from their upload because of the report
16[20:49:08] <D> Somebody asked a question that I dont have the knowledge to answer in #apollo.rip
17[20:49:21] <D> can anybody help?
18[20:49:34] <Mirai> share question here
19[20:49:55] <D> casual_pleb h-hi I have a question about multiple IPs: Is the gazelle 2 IPS rule about having 2 IPS at once or total logins from? 19:47 casual_pleb Like by at once I mean being logged in on say 3 devices
20[20:50:28] <Mirai> Yea I don't know the specifics enough for that either.
21[20:50:32] <Mirai> :(
22[20:51:01] <Soop> In my experience 2 IPs is interpreted as for example, your home and your seedbox
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25[20:52:08] <D> said this
26[20:52:09] <D> "t's meant for simultaneous interpretation. Essentially were protecting people that browse, but also have a seedbox while also preventing IP... "abuse" if you will."
27[20:53:06] <Mirai> so who want's to tell him? https://xanax.rip/forums.php?action=viewthread&threadid=949
28[20:53:08] <D> Mirai, I'm gonna make a reply to your thread
29[20:53:12] <D> essentially copying it
30[20:53:13] <Mirai> Feel free.
31[20:53:24] <D> but for the users
32[20:53:32] <D> like - this is how you should report
33[20:54:03] <Mirai> Feel free mate. Anything that can help users stop making problems. :)
34[20:54:12] <D> Mirai - what did u mean by that link
35[20:54:29] <Mirai> It's spam promoting their upload.
36[20:54:59] <D> hahahhahaahahhaah
37[20:55:07] <D> i got it
38[20:56:08] <D> oh
39[20:56:08] <D> wtf
40[20:56:17] <D> I tried Warning the user and it said this
41[20:56:22] <D> " Something was wrong with the input provided with your request, and the server is refusing to fulfill it."
42[20:56:57] <Mirai> Did you leave Reason/PM fields blank?
43[20:57:10] <D> PM field
44[20:57:15] <D> i just deleted and will warn manually and PM
45[20:57:29] <Mirai> If you leave any required fields empty ever the server will throw that error.
46[20:57:45] <D> good to know
47[20:57:45] <Mirai> Just an FYI, applies for other things like moving torrent categories and such too.
48[21:00:58] <D> Gonna edit your lineage 2 to include telling staff to change the report info so that users see that they dont have to avoid downloading the torrent just cuz it has a report
49[21:02:03] <Mirai> Go ahead and add that.
50[21:02:11] <Mirai> Should be on internal half not user half. Staff should just know to do that. :)
51[21:07:11] <Rise> Btw, claiming a report just reserves it so another mod doesn't start on it halfway through, correct?
52[21:07:18] <Soop> Yeah ^
53[21:07:19] <Mirai> Yes.
54[21:07:31] <D> yeah
55[21:07:32] <Rise> ok cool cool, thanks
56[21:07:35] <D> i actually added that in ur pos
57[21:07:42] <D> check ur post mirai - i think im done with it
58[21:07:44] <D> looks really good
59[21:07:46] <Rise> ahh okay
60[21:07:53] <Mirai> I wasn't really doing it before because it was literally just me and Soop and Soop wasn't around at the time. lol
61[21:08:03] <D> called out soop
62[21:08:05] <D> lol
63[21:09:20] <D> Mirai - I dont see Excalibur or E on the staff list - is he still working?
64[21:09:55] <Mirai> Ah, perhaps not. I guess then.
65[21:09:57] <Rise> I just saw his profile and he was listed a user. I actually saw because one of his torrents was reported and the named looked familiar heh
66[21:10:06] <Mirai> That was a bug hence the 6 class changes by the system.
67[21:10:19] <Mirai> For example, look at my classes. lol
68[21:10:57] <Rise> haha ok I see now
69[21:11:09] <Mirai> Demoted to "" (nothing). Then "demoted" from nothing to Elite. Then demoted to PU, Member, User, then manually made a Mod.
70[21:11:17] <Mirai> Torrent Moderator is buggy in the auto-system stuff
71[21:11:43] <Mirai> He may still manually have moderator permissions but hasn't had his class fixed yet (mine only got fixed today, I was working all last night)
72[21:12:42] <Rise> interestin. And yeah you guys have been plowing through these I'm impressed, hoping to catch up aha
73[21:12:59] <Soop> By all means Rise, knock yourself out :D
74[21:13:36] <D> Also - on the staff announce thread
75[21:13:46] <D> I made a post for recommendations for more staff
76[21:13:56] <D> if you spot users you like on the forums or that make super solid reports
77[21:14:01] <D> edit my post
78[21:14:31] <Mirai> I deleted my post to avoid clutter. :^)
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82[21:16:13] <Mirai> </3
83[21:16:53] <Soop_> And now nobody can see my comcast ip lol
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85[21:17:22] <D> lolz
86[21:17:24] You're now known as Soop
87[21:18:31] <D> Okay reporting guide is pretty solid
88[21:20:58] <D> Shit
89[21:21:06] <D> I assumed we could add forum sections in toolbox
90[21:21:09] <D> i dont see the ability
91[21:22:54] <Mirai> lol
92[21:31:04] <Soop> We need the ability to add wiki articles to the table of contents
93[21:31:45] <Soop> I just realized we have 5 different EAC wiki articles because nobody knows they are there unless they hunt for em
94[21:32:18] <Mirai> lol
95[21:32:35] <D> Agreed
96[21:32:51] <D> Alright, let's keep a running things to PM X hahaha
97[21:32:58] <D> cuz X, O, and A are in Europe I think
98[21:33:37] <Soop> Better idea, we can make a topic in the staff forum
99[21:33:47] <D> Does he read that hahaha
100[21:33:59] <D> Okay - ill make a post
101[21:35:10] <Mirai> D we can't edit the report comment. We have two options, I prefer the latter.
102[21:35:18] <Soop> Worst part about dealing with reports, isnt actually the reports. Its the PMs from users regarding a torrent you trumped hours/days ago
103[21:35:26] <Mirai> 1) Solve the report and create it with our note.
104[21:35:34] <Mirai> 2) Leave the report but add a Release Description with our note.
105[21:35:57] <D> Wait a minute - theres gotta be a way to edit a report
106[21:36:01] <D> it happened all the time on what
107[21:36:03] <Mirai> Soop heh. I've had a pleasant experience with most of my users.
108[21:36:07] <Mirai> Except the one time I personally fucked up
109[21:36:28] <Mirai> and deleted the older torrent instead of the newer one during a Trump that was miresported that I had -caught- being misreported but fucked up anyways...
110[21:36:37] <Mirai> luckily both were only the uploader seeding and no swarm was lost.
111[21:36:51] <Mirai> I've been doubly triply extra careful since then for trump reports.
112[21:37:02] <Mirai> D if you can find it let me know because I can't.
113[21:37:53] <D> I need a torrent to test out on
114[21:38:07] <D> If any of you find a torrent that's easy to manually resolve, link me the torrent and report
115[21:38:18] <D> and leave it alone for a sec, but save the relevant tabs
116[21:38:39] <Soop> https://xanax.rip/torrents.php?id=34599&torrentid=51429#torrent51429
117[21:40:51] <D> welp
118[21:40:54] <D> fucked that report
119[21:40:57] <D> gimme another one to test
120[21:40:58] <D> hahaha
121[21:41:28] <Soop> https://xanax.rip/torrents.php?id=4112
122[21:43:43] <D> WELL SHIT
123[21:43:49] <Mirai> lol
124[21:43:52] <D> I think it's possible to do but it's disabled rn
125[21:43:59] <D> Cuz i've definitely seen staff edit reports
126[21:44:36] <Mirai> Note that the Gazelle Github may not have been 100% Up-To-Date.
127[21:44:48] <D> no, but it was only a year old
128[21:44:53] <D> ive seen edited reports for YEARS
129[21:45:03] <Mirai> hm
130[21:45:08] <D> oh wait.
131[21:45:09] <D> idea
132[21:45:22] <D> what if we invalidate report and make our own report
133[21:45:38] <Mirai> that was option #1 I listed.
134[21:45:42] <D> oh
135[21:45:44] <D> well ur a genius
136[21:45:51] <Mirai> and is how I've fixed the 3 I fucked up trying to add a note to the existing report.
137[21:46:06] <D> ill adjust the report handling thread
138[21:46:08] <D> u keep going
139[21:46:13] <Mirai> I'm not sure if that is better or if adding it to the torrent description is better.
140[21:46:34] <D> I think it's better because it serves as a flag
141[21:47:03] <D> nobody can get flagged by torrent descriptions - people have to hunt them down just as hard as when they're looking for lineage reports - right?
142[21:47:54] <Mirai> not sure I follow. I meant that often times the lineage is added in the torrent description. Adding the note there when it is missing serves the same purpose of letting people know
143[21:48:02] <Mirai> but ig some people won't expand the torrent and will just expand the report
144[21:48:24] <D> Exactly what i meant
145[21:48:34] <Mirai> hm, I believe resolve report manually removes it from the queue - leaves the original reporter's report there
146[21:48:35] <D> You can immediately see a report
147[21:48:42] <Mirai> then we can report it ourselves in addition with the note
148[21:48:58] <D> Then that makes 2 reports - doesnt it?
149[21:49:13] <Mirai> Yes but if you resolve manually it removes the 1st from the queue just leaving your new one.
150[21:49:24] <Mirai> and we can resolve that manually, it leaves the report but gets it the fuck out of our queue
151[21:49:51] <D> Hmmmm
152[21:49:56] <D> I still think the original idea is better
153[21:49:59] <Mirai> Result: 0 reports in queue , 2 reports on client, original reporter still gets credit for reporting.
154[21:50:04] <D> invalidating the report removes it from the queue to
155[21:50:12] <Mirai> but also removes credit from the original reporter.
156[21:50:15] <Mirai> which was my concern
157[21:50:17] <D> Is there a report credit system?
158[21:50:28] <Mirai> Mental notes. :D
159[21:50:33] <D> Like it's already a thankless job hahhah
160[21:50:44] <Soop> lol
161[21:50:46] <D> Im gonna leave that to you
162[21:50:47] <Mirai> Helps me keep better tabs than just guessing I've seen the same name 300 times.
163[21:50:53] <D> as a downloader - i hate seeing multiple reports
164[21:51:10] <Mirai> given like 90% of the reports are from 2 people
165[21:51:11] <D> as a moderator - the users original report may be messy or difficult to read
166[21:51:23] <Rise> all i know is that the dark side of the moon is a report nightmare
167[21:51:29] <Mirai> pfft. fine. we'll invalidate the original and make our own.
168[21:51:34] <Mirai> Rise Yes. Yes it fucking is. Holy shit.
169[21:51:37] <Mirai> It's a spaghetti mess
170[21:51:46] <D> Im not trying to shut you down
171[21:51:47] <Mirai> I refused to touch it until I had some time to dedicate solely on untangling all the problems it has.
172[21:51:49] <Rise> lmao i'm terrified of it, keep backing away from it and then something leads back to it
173[21:51:49] <D> youre handling the reports
174[21:51:50] <D> sooooo
175[21:51:54] <Rise> exactly
176[21:52:27] <D> So...
177[21:52:31] <D> invalidate and report
178[21:53:00] <Mirai> Invalide, re-report, and when you get to one with our note resolve manually to get it out of the queue but leave the report.
179[21:53:20] <Mirai> (Let me double test that resolving it manually removes it from queue while leaving the report on torrent brb)
180[21:53:59] <D> Ohhhhh
181[21:53:59] <D> No
182[21:54:05] <D> I see the issue with my idea
183[21:54:31] <D> Yeah, no I still think that's better.
184[21:54:33] <Mirai> not sure how I got the report to stay up last time.. I must've been looking at the wrong torrent
185[21:54:38] <D> Just resolve your own report immediately
186[21:54:40] <Mirai> resolving manually removes the Report can't do that
187[21:54:53] <D> so our choice is made for us
188[21:55:05] <Mirai> Yep. Invalidate and re-report... then ignore.
189[21:56:01] <Mirai> actually
190[21:56:10] <D> ?
191[21:56:13] <Mirai> Going to put these off again until O gets back. Maybe there is a way to leave staff notes.
192[21:56:26] <Mirai> Rather do it that way than any other way if it exists.
193[21:56:35] <Mirai> Since it is easily the best way hands down
194[21:56:47] <Mirai> blegh. was hoping I'd be able to handle these tonight... oh well
195[21:58:03] <Mirai> Soop I agree with that only if there is no swarm
196[21:58:10] <D> Okay errr
197[21:58:50] <D> So include that question in the thread that kind of acts as mail for X, O, and A?
198[22:00:35] <D> Mirai - I'm looking at rules and this Lineage rule is getting more complex
199[22:00:53] <D> 2.3.9. All lossless analog rips should include clear information about source lineage. - CAN BE TRUMPED
200[22:01:07] <D> 2.3.10. All lossless soundboard recordings must include clear information about source lineage. - WILL BE DELETED IF NOT
201[22:01:51] <Mirai> Analog = Vinyl ; Soundboard = live recording of a concert on professional equipment
202[22:01:55] <D> 2.5.1. Essentially states that downsampled, analog rips need lineage - WILL BE DELETD IF NOT
203[22:02:08] <D> im just trying to point out it's not as easy as
204[22:02:15] <D> Delete is lossless, Trump if lossy
205[22:02:56] <Mirai> I'm not sure there is a single soundboard recording. I can change it to "Trump if VInyl, delete if lossy". Keep in mind "delete on lossy" already only applies if it doesn't have lineage...
206[22:03:24] <D> There will be though - there were a lot of soundboard recordings at what
207[22:05:00] <D> then there is SACD lineage and Blu-Ray lineage
208[22:05:23] <Mirai> Refresh thread.
209[22:06:03] <Mirai> Uh... would SACD or Blu-Ray even be considered Analog rips?
210[22:06:12] <Mirai> :P
211[22:07:25] <Mirai> https://xanax.rip/forums.php?action=viewthread&threadid=953
212[22:11:06] <D> That's honestly tough to say
213[22:11:29] <D> I vote to make a poll
214[22:11:34] <D> but that may prove moot
215[22:11:51] <D> I feel like a minority of people will be upset about forcing just numbers
216[22:13:25] <D> Okay, I've gotta prioritize things
217[22:13:37] <D> Announcement post on what work weve been doing is gonna be first
218[22:13:50] <D> damn except I cant cuz I've gotta get it approved
219[22:30:34] <D> damn
220[22:30:42] <D> Im writing this post in a format that's like
221[22:30:44] <D> here's what weve done
222[22:30:49] <D> here's what were immediately working on
223[22:30:57] <D> and here's what's planned in the future
224[22:31:06] <D> but... I dont have much to say for what weve done
225[22:31:53] <Soop> We've been working around the clock bringing quality control to the site
226[22:32:05] <D> I think IRC opens tomorrow, so I'll put that there, but I'll only be able to write that weve been handling reports
227[22:32:50] <Soop> Also https://xanax.rip/torrents.php?id=2222&torrentid=87860 - Fuck people who report artist / album tags. Thats the down vote button... lol
228[22:33:02] <Rise> quality control is definitely a big mention. And yeah.
229[22:33:05] <Rise> and lmao
230[22:33:15] <D> I'm gonna do this
231[22:33:45] <D> each of these topics with some expanding statements... IRC Opening, Reports dominated, Backend Improvement, and Brand Migration
232[22:33:50] <Mirai> literally around the clock. I put in like 20 hours straight the other day. :P
233[22:33:53] <D> X can approve/disapprove
234[22:34:03] <D> were nearing 100 reports cleared
235[22:34:25] <Rise> Sounds good to me. And yeah, a true inspiration tbh
236[22:43:26] <D> 1000*
237[22:43:40] <Rise> important distinction
238[23:03:23] <Mirai> When I finish eating I'm going to go through the Bugs forum.
239[23:03:37] <Mirai> Mark duplicate issues as [DUP] and close them with a redirect to a main discussion for that specific bug.
240[23:03:54] <Mirai> (I'll move Dup to trash after a period of time)
241[23:05:24] <Rise> admirable busybee
242[23:06:05] <Mirai> always better to do sooner than later.
243[23:07:07] <D> btw mirai
244[23:07:19] <D> We don't really need a Dealing with FAQs thread
245[23:07:26] <D> cuz you can click a button and see saved responses
246[23:08:09] <Mirai> where
247[23:12:46] <D> So, if you click on a staff mail
248[23:13:49] <D> You see the selectable box under the typing area, and then you see buttons for assign, resolve, common answers
249[23:13:53] <D> click common answers
250[23:13:56] <Mirai> Oh, neat.
251[23:14:42] <Mirai> there are no security benefits to changing usernames btw.
252[23:14:55] <Mirai> also grammar is important. should be "except in". but the whole phrase should be scrapped.
253[23:16:26] <D> actually there are
254[23:16:41] <D> i know this cuz... i kinda had to deal with it and you pmed me about it hahaha
255[23:16:48] <D> some guy used his real name as his username
256[23:16:57] <D> which... he's dumb, but we should still change his username
257[23:17:10] <Mirai> People scrape for name changes which is how all staff prev. names were leaked on 4chan.
258[23:17:30] <Mirai> We can change it in cases like that but it doesn't really provide any real security benefit.
259[23:17:49] <D> There has to be a way to prevent scraping that kind of information.
260[23:23:56] <D> What do y'all think: https://xanax.rip/forums.php?action=viewthread&threadid=957
261[23:25:10] <Soop> Looking good!
262[23:26:24] <Mirai> >We're getting very close to having reports and forum moderation only handled by our moderators.
263[23:26:26] <Mirai> Awkward phrasing
264[23:27:06] <Mirai> >As a side note, we've banned a few annoying trolls... Enjoy your new, clean community!
265[23:27:23] <Mirai> Better to keep quiet on this in nearly every case. It is obvious when trolls are banned - and they stay out of news.
266[23:27:42] <D> Agreed
267[23:27:43] <D> fixed
268[23:27:44] <D> also
269[23:27:54] <D> change: Soon, we'll have enough staff so that admin can focus on only the most important aspects of the website and tracker.
270[23:27:58] <D> good?
271[23:28:16] <D> im just gonna remove that line
272[23:28:20] <D> very unnecessary
273[23:28:55] <Mirai> Username FAQ answer is same as Cloudfare answer.
274[23:29:19] <D> oh awk
275[23:29:50] <Mirai> As for what is going on next - 10 should be 2 and everything else pushed down. Webmail server is also necessary to allow Invites, not just password resets.
276[23:30:19] <Mirai> AFAIK users do not yet know user classes are broken. No need to mention. Unless PU didn't have a time limit requirement on it? Could have sworn it required a week or two...
277[23:30:33] <Rise> I think it did
278[23:30:40] <D> Right, but I dont think we intend on inviting people for a few weeks
279[23:30:54] <D> and Im also not the one that prioritizes that - I fully expect X to reorg those posts
280[23:30:57] <D> brb
281[23:31:04] <Mirai> :P fair enough.
282[23:31:14] <Rise> yeah on what it was ratio of 1.05, at least 5 torrents uploaded with 25gb, and then 2 weeks of membership
283[23:31:31] <Mirai> I couldn't remember the length of time, just that it existed.
284[23:31:39] <Mirai> I was Elite within a week but had to wait for rank ups....
285[23:32:54] <Mirai> BBS. Bugs calling me
286[23:42:55] <D> Read my updated FAQ
287[23:42:59] <D> im gonna post that and pin it in X
288[23:44:04] <Soop> Are you all dead? Why aren't you getting any work done? Great question
289[23:45:00] <D> lol
290[23:45:09] <D> Ive gotten that a few times in the forums and on staff
291[23:45:15] <D> like differently worded
292[23:45:26] <D> "I might just leave Xanax - nothing is getting done."
293[23:46:10] <Mirai> heh. If only they knew. :^)
294[23:46:53] <D> Look good to y'all?
295[23:47:01] <Soop> Yep
296[23:48:08] <Soop> Im taking off for the night see you all tomorrow
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299[21:50:46] <Soop> Yo
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