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16:40:40 PM <@DrGustave> Hi
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36:40:44 PM <NotSurprised> Hi.
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56:40:59 PM <NotSurprised> We b wading through worldbuilds today?
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76:41:11 PM <@DrGustave> Bergenstahl 2 was posted
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96:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:47:09 PM <@DrGustave> Hey Funky
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116:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:47:28 PM <@DrGustave> Remember how we said to shave it 
12down because we aren't reviewing a 64 page document?
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146:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:47:36 PM <@DrGustave> And how it's still a 64 page 
15document?
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176:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:48:15 PM <+FunkyMonkey4> Actually Gus, it’s 66 now
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196:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:48:24 PM <@DrGustave> I fuckin.
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216:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:48:33 PM <@DrGustave> I'm not reviewing this as is
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236:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:49:15 PM <+FunkyMonkey4> I included a TLDR, because 
24http://e.lvme.me/28hlutd.jpg
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266:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:49:57 PM <@DrGustave> Yeah
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286:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:49:59 PM <@DrGustave> I saw
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306:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:50:06 PM <@DrGustave> But the devil is always in the details
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326:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:50:22 PM <@DrGustave> And I'm not slowly making may way 
33through 64 fucking pages to make sure you aren't breaking anything
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356:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:50:43 PM <+FunkyMonkey4> do I look like the kind of guy 
36that would stick devil in the details
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386:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:50:44 PM <+Kellenredx> Hidden in there is probably "Has 
39millions of nuclear weapons to use"
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416:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:50:47 PM <+FunkyMonkey4> do I look like a Vox to you
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436:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:50:54 PM <@DrGustave> Yes.
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456:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:50:57 PM <+FunkyMonkey4> *pay no attention to my 
46profession*
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486:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:50:57 PM <@DrGustave> You do.
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506:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:51:08 PM <@DrGustave> Even if you DIDN'T, I'd still need to
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526:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:51:35 PM <+FunkyMonkey4> literally how am I going to slim it 
53down
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556:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:52:10 PM <+FunkyMonkey4> because really, the amount of 
56detail that is in it is no different from the other fully-developed WBs out there, the only 
57difference is that I bothered to write it down
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596:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:52:57 PM <@DrGustave> There is no physical way you need 
60each and ever detail in a 64 page document for a small settlment in the middle of a fucked 
61up wasteland
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636:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:53:44 PM <@DrGustave> Look
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656:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:53:53 PM <@DrGustave> I'll bring it up with the others in WB 
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686:41:40 PM <@DrGustave> 5:54:00 PM <@DrGustave> But there's no way I'm doing that
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796:42:20 PM <NotSurprised> LMAO
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816:42:23 PM <DrGustave> That wasn't the smartest way to do that
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836:42:33 PM <DrGustave> ANYWAY
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856:42:41 PM <DrGustave> He made it even longer
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876:42:42 PM <DrGustave> Also
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896:43:09 PM <NotSurprised> Oh boy.
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916:43:26 PM <DrGustave> 5:55:50 PM <@Vox> Gus.
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936:43:26 PM <DrGustave> 5:55:55 PM <@Vox> I'm going to review Burgerstand.
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956:43:26 PM <DrGustave> 5:56:19 PM <@DrGustave> I don't believe you're telling the truth
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976:43:26 PM <DrGustave> 5:56:25 PM <@Vox> I'm going to Voxreview it. Not because it's 
98stupid enough for a Voxreview. Because I'm going to make you READ the Voxreview, 
99which will only point out potential problems.
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1016:43:26 PM <DrGustave> 5:56:39 PM <@Vox> And hopefully there will be enough pictures 
102for your short attention span.
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1046:43:26 PM <DrGustave> 5:56:47 PM <@DrGustave> I don't believe that will come to 
105fruition
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1076:43:26 PM <DrGustave> 5:56:59 PM <@Vox> And also,  because I'm not going to do it 
108until Funky approves Carmine.
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1106:43:26 PM <DrGustave> 5:58:31 PM <@Vox> Aaaaand first point found.
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1126:43:26 PM <DrGustave> 6:01:57 PM <@Vox> Confirmed with stuff from further down.
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1146:43:55 PM <DrGustave> 6:04:29 PM <Vox> TL;DR: Nuclear weaponry.
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1166:43:55 PM <DrGustave> 6:04:41 PM <DrGustave> 
117FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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1196:43:55 PM <DrGustave> 6:04:46 PM <DrGustave> Whyyyyy?
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1216:43:57 PM <NotSurprised> Yeah, I just noticed it.
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1236:44:35 PM <DrGustave> Loooooooooooooooooooooooooong story short
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1256:45:04 PM <NotSurprised> Well
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1276:45:14 PM <NotSurprised> I'll let you know my perspective on this:
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1296:45:25 PM <NotSurprised> I'm not touching it.
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1316:45:30 PM <NotSurprised> On the other hand,
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1336:45:39 PM <NotSurprised> I'll gladly wade through some of the other worldbuilds instead.
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1356:45:39 PM <DrGustave> I'm not reviewing a 64 page document
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1376:46:05 PM <NotSurprised> Glad we share the same perspective.
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1396:46:32 PM Vox_[Castlevania] → @Vox_
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1416:46:50 PM <DrGustave> Because
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1436:46:58 PM <DrGustave> Even before Vox said nuclear
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1456:47:18 PM <DrGustave> I fucking KNEW there was some shiesty ass shit
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1476:48:12 PM <DrGustave> But the thing that I hate most
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1496:48:21 PM <DrGustave> The thing that makes the least amount of sense to me
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1516:48:37 PM <DrGustave> They're obviously the remnants of the regime, and even follow 
152suit in many ways to the regime
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1546:48:58 PM <DrGustave> BUT MAGICALLY, THEY CAN USE LEVERAGE AGAINST 
155FUCKING ATLAS AND ARE A TRADING POWERHOUSE
156
1576:49:07 PM <DrGustave> WHO WOULD ASSOCIATE WITH THEM!?
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1596:49:36 PM <NotSurprised> I'd say lesser worldbuilds
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1616:49:43 PM <NotSurprised> but they already have kingdoms for that.
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1636:50:05 PM <NotSurprised> They'd have to specifically in a location where trading with 
164Burgerstand is the only reliable option
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1666:50:07 PM <@Vox_> Even fucking PILUM hates the old regime, and Pilum is literally 
167modeled after two versions of Hell.
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1696:50:31 PM <DrGustave> NO ONE LIKES THE REGIME
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1716:51:32 PM <DrGustave> But they've got perfect humans and no one ever revolts and can 
172sustain a huge city despite being in a literally otherwise uninhabitable area
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1746:52:39 PM <@Vox_> Because magick drugs!
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1766:58:00 PM <NotSurprised> Gus.
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1786:58:03 PM <NotSurprised> If we work together
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1806:58:06 PM <NotSurprised> we can split it up
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1826:58:12 PM <NotSurprised> 33 page equally
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1846:58:24 PM <NotSurprised> I got your back
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1866:58:25 PM <DrGustave> Fuck that
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1886:58:52 PM <DrGustave> I'm tempted to actually write out the entirety of Alapelagias so I 
189could show him you DON'T NEED 64 PAGES
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1916:59:10 PM <@Vox_> FFS, I could fit ALL OF LACANSIA in with less than 66 pages.
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1937:13:10 PM <DrGustave> 7:09:41 PM <+FunkyMonkey4> Alright, I have a question  are 
194miniature, mortar-sized dirty bombs not allowed then
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1967:13:23 PM <@Vox_> Deny.
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1987:13:35 PM <DrGustave> My gut says no, but I have no idea how powerful those are 
199compared to Dust bombs
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2017:13:48 PM <@Vox_> Incredibly.
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2037:14:03 PM <@Vox_> Namely because they can permanently poison vast areas.
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2057:16:54 PM <@Vox_> [06:16:04] <+FunkyMonkey4> hmm ok.  Well, poisoning the earth 
206one tiny bit at a time definitely was my intention behind it, so i guess that’s that
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2087:17:14 PM — DrGustave sighs
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2107:17:40 PM <NotSurprised> Gus
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2127:17:49 PM <NotSurprised> You can't sigh
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2147:17:58 PM <NotSurprised> You're not the fragile moderator / minion
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2167:18:09 PM <DrGustave> I'm the fragile admin
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2187:18:09 PM <NotSurprised> That's my job.
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2207:18:16 PM <NotSurprised> True.
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2227:25:39 PM <AzureAzure> I fucking told Funky in my previous review that it needed to 
223change.
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2257:26:07 PM <AzureAzure> If he didn't change it from pre-board switch, just outright deny it 
226for the reasons I pointed out previously.
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2287:26:13 PM <DrGustave> He didn't change much, Azure
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2307:26:26 PM <AzureAzure> Then it's open and closed. No Burgerstand.
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2327:27:09 PM <AzureAzure> Not gonna waste my time with 66 pages of over explained 
233bullshit.
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2357:28:11 PM <AzureAzure> [19:28:07] <FunkyMonkey4> I made a number of changes that 
236were addressed by Azuzu in the pre-reboot profile, yes
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2387:28:32 PM <AzureAzure> If the trade issues are still apparent, nothing changed.
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2407:28:56 PM <AzureAzure> I also said it needed to be cut down from 64 pages.
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2437:29:11 PM <DrGustave> I'll glance over trade
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2457:30:08 PM <NotSurprised> I'll uh, take a look too I guess.
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2477:30:09 PM <AzureAzure> I don't think he understands the bigger issue though; this is way 
248too big to police. A lot of this can be omitted and still not change the bullshit power that 
249radiates from this whole thing.
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2517:30:56 PM <DrGustave> HAH
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2537:30:58 PM <DrGustave> HAHAH
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2557:31:01 PM <DrGustave> http://puu.sh/rwQem.png
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2577:31:03 PM <AzureAzure> Putting 66 pages of circle talking about a trade power made from 
258expelled scientists and engineers on mood dampeners was already struck down.
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2607:31:29 PM <AzureAzure> *64 pages.
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2627:32:03 PM <DrGustave> I might waste some time and remove everything but the text and 
263see how much is actually different between the two versions
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2657:32:47 PM <AzureAzure> I mean, so far it's showing nothing from the snippet you grabbed. 
266Why should we deal with this if he refused to change anything previously mentioned?
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2687:33:07 PM <DrGustave> That's just trade
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2707:33:13 PM <DrGustave> I hate this
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2727:33:16 PM <DrGustave> I really do
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2747:33:30 PM <DrGustave> It's 66 pages of over explained "drugs and power"
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2767:33:36 PM <DrGustave> THAT BEING SAID
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2787:34:00 PM <DrGustave> It's 66 fucking pages, and he put a lot of work into that. I'm going 
279to at LEAST do the minimal amount of work I can to see if he's trying to fuck us
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2817:34:12 PM <AzureAzure> He just got caught in a lie here, though. We brought up the issue 
282with him on having the fucking means of surviving on a volcanic surface and NOTHING 
283HAS CHANGED. It's still the Mary Sue capital on the map because "my nazim8s".
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2857:35:02 PM <AzureAzure> This fucking bioshelter workaround still exists because "OH WE 
286CONVENIENTLY POPULATED THIS WITH SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS AND BROUGHT DRUGS"
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2887:35:10 PM <AzureAzure> Fuck that.
289
2907:35:56 PM <AzureAzure> I don't want to deal with people who have to fucking power play a 
291Worldbuild and bend canon without any regard to the story.
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2937:36:08 PM <AzureAzure> It's a fucking slap in the face to the source material.
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2957:37:00 PM <@Vox_> Even Pilum at least is designed to hold a mirror up to the Huntsmen 
296and Huntresses. All of its bullshit is taking their tools, and twisting them around.
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2987:37:14 PM <@Vox_> No sudden "NOOKULAR WEPONZ!"
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3007:37:32 PM <AzureAzure> Ctrl+F 'Atlas' and if it still mentions holding power over Atlas in 
301terms of trade and existence, tell him to unMary Sue his nazi boner.
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3037:37:55 PM <NotSurprised> Fuuuu-
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3057:38:50 PM <AzureAzure> He's attempting to walk away with the idea that Burger's can 
306influence/have influenced the way Atlas is, so any work made with Atlas will directly affect 
307any progressions made on your end of the project there.
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3097:39:37 PM <NotSurprised> Also, fuck how Burgerstand can deal with Grimm.
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3117:39:49 PM <AzureAzure> Drugs.
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3137:39:52 PM <AzureAzure> That's it.
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3157:39:59 PM <AzureAzure> No risks because drugs.
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3177:40:15 PM <@Vox_> The defenders offered to surrender to Atlas’s forces if Bereich 
318Siebenundvierzig could remain an independent polity and Atlas could successfully lobby 
319the other kingdoms to condone this arrangement.  Otherwise, the defenders vowed to 
320irrevocably taint the land and destroy the installation, ruining whatever value it had.  At first, 
321the Atlesians were shocked and offended by the brazenness of the terms.  After all, they 
322were in the
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3247:40:15 PM <@Vox_> position of power.  Who were the conformists to offer such terms?  
325Nonetheless, the defenders stuck to their terms.  Understanding the enormous value of 
326Bereich Siebenundvierzig, particularly its industrial manufacturing and mining value to 
327whoever could control its intact facilities, the defenders reasoned to the Atlesians that with 
328the spoils of war and division of conquered lands already hammered out in a tense series 
329of negotiations
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3317:40:15 PM <@Vox_> and with the Four Kingdoms already looking forwards to vie for 
332post-war supremacy among one another, Atlas could not possibly expect to conquer 
333Bereich Siebenundvierzig and believe that the other kingdoms would not object to this 
334tipping of the scales of balance.
335
3367:40:51 PM <@Vox_> ...
337
3387:40:51 PM <@Vox_> The defenders offered the Atlesians a choice: arrange for the 
339conformist survivor’s guaranteed independence and in exchange enjoy a special, secret 
340relationship with the conformists in the form of preferential economic and industrial 
341cooperation, or attempt to conquer Bereich Siebenundvierzig and be left to dig out the 
342defenders from the mountain installation in a drawn-out war of attrition that would only 
343result in the defenders
344
3457:40:51 PM <@Vox_> destroying the location’s value and the Atlesians disrupting the fragile 
346balance of post-war power among the Four Kingdoms.
347
3487:40:53 PM <AzureAzure> Trivialize the whole concept of a global threat because they are 
349on drugs.
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3517:41:19 PM <AzureAzure> That's exactly the point I made last board iteration.
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3537:41:29 PM <AzureAzure> And it has not changed one word from the looks of it.
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3557:41:30 PM <@Vox_>  Bereich Siebenundvierzig was presented to the allied individualists 
356and the other three kingdoms, but as a settlement of purely industrial value to hide the 
357technological and scientific value Atlas had absconded with beforehand.
358
3597:41:41 PM <AzureAzure> So it's still the fucking same.
360
3617:42:09 PM <@Vox_> Terminating its furtive Greyed War surrender agreement with Atlas, 
362Bergenstahl cut off the lion’s share of its resource exports to the kingdom.  As expected, 
363Atlesian politicians were furious, as the termination noticeably slowed the kingdom’s 
364military buildup as well as its ambitions.
365
3667:42:17 PM <AzureAzure> Fuck, I'm salty enough to check the Docs for my posts now. 
367Hang on.
368
3697:43:17 PM <@Vox_> So... "ATLAS IS SO STRONG CUZ OF BURGERSTAND"
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3717:44:14 PM <@Vox_> Though Bergenstahl’s dust output could not match Atlas’s, particular 
372the Schnee Dust Company’s dust output, by any stretch of the imagination, such drastic 
373price undercutting nonetheless noticeably affected dust prices in Remnant’s commodities 
374markets.  This undercutting severely affected the Schnee Dust Company’s bottom line, 
375prompting outrage from Atlas as the kingdom’s politicians rhetorically condemned 
376Bergenstahl and
377
3787:44:14 PM <@Vox_> tried to get the other kingdoms to join in placing sanctions.  
379However, with Atlas’s near-absolute hold on the dust commodity market threatened, at 
380least temporarily, the other kingdoms stood to profit and were disinclined to join Atlas in 
381levelling sanctions against Bergenstahl.
382
3837:44:40 PM <@Vox_> "WE IZ GOING TO SIDE WITH THE OLD ENEMY OVER OUR ALLY 
384BECUZ BURGERSTANDS IS RIGHT"
385
3867:44:45 PM <AzureAzure> Yep. I pointed the same exact comments out from the same 
387paragraph posted.
388
3897:45:07 PM <@Vox_> "As a result, with Atlas becoming increasingly belligerent in its rhetoric 
390and threatening punitive action against Bergenstahl, the other three kingdoms intervened 
391and decided that the surrender terms of the Greyed War would no longer be valid and that 
392a new status quo had been formed."
393
3947:45:15 PM <AzureAzure> Should be no 'deal' between them at all. This is essentially 
395saying, "Oh, we beat Nazi Germany, and will annex all this land they took, but let the Nazi 
396Regime exist in a slice of East Germany and secretly have all this knowledge and tech 
397they have."
398
3997:45:30 PM <AzureAzure> Was my previous comment in the document.
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4017:48:02 PM <AzureAzure> NO!!
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4037:48:02 PM <AzureAzure> I'm sorry, but this is a VERY huge liberty on the canon of RWBY. 
404Bereich Siebenwhatever has bargaining influence over a super power because they put 
405PEOPLE ON A VOLCANO and mined it first, so the ATLAS KINGDOM doesn't want to wipe 
406them out and claim it because they don't want them poisoning an already poisoned 
407biome???
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4097:48:11 PM <AzureAzure> Was also another point made from the same paragraph
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4117:48:21 PM <DrGustave> Please keep talking
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4137:48:25 PM <DrGustave> I'm quoting all of this
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4157:49:15 PM <AzureAzure> Nothing has changed from the original posted in the review Doc.
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4177:49:32 PM <AzureAzure> Literally fucking nothing.
418
4197:49:51 PM <AzureAzure> He removed the titles that were never explained.
420
4217:50:01 PM <AzureAzure> That's about it.
422
4237:50:51 PM <AzureAzure> Don't fucking lie and say "Oh, I made the changes Azure brought 
424up" when the document grows by two pages.
425
4267:51:37 PM <AzureAzure> No one wants to fucking read 66 pages, and it's evident he 
427wants to use that to get away with everything.
428
4298:00:34 PM <DrGustave> After standardizing all of Bergenstahl 2, making paragraphs 
430actual paragraphs and not walls of text with indentations, and getting rid of titles, it's 54 
431pages of JUST information
432
4338:08:27 PM <@Vox_> Gus. Standardize the two documents in format and everything, then 
434run it through diff checker.
435
4368:10:18 PM <DrGustave> That's what I'm doing
437
4388:10:28 PM <DrGustave> Halfway through the original
439
4408:10:37 PM <DrGustave> Wait no, I'm like at the end
441
4428:12:32 PM <DrGustave> Bergenstahl 1 is 67 pages of pure info
443
4448:12:57 PM <DrGustave> Both including the explanations of some of the phrases at the 
445bottom
446
4478:17:03 PM <DrGustave> Hm
448
4498:17:42 PM <DrGustave> Original is 67 pages but 395 lines and the new one is 54 pages 
450but 359 lines
451
4528:19:23 PM <DrGustave> https://www.diffchecker.com/nymhfDS5
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4548:28:43 PM <@Vox_> I still "like" how all the kingdoms side with Burgerstand over Atlas. 
455Because it's not like Vale and Atlas are close enough in the post-war era to not THROW A 
456FUCKING FIT OVER AN ATLESIAN WAR FLEET OVER THEIR CAPITAL.
457
4588:29:24 PM <@Vox_> "Yeah, fuck you guys, who are one of our brother nations after the 
459world war. We're gonna side with Hitler!"
460
4618:30:40 PM <DrGustave> It seems like a lot of stuff was just moved around
462
4638:40:43 PM <AzureAzure> No real changes are very apparent. My original post brought up 
464all the previous issues we had in the original document, and low-to-no effort has been 
465made to change this projects tacked-on nature with the canon of the story. The rules 
466clearly state that Worldbuilding projects are not canon players; they don't equal Kingdoms, 
467and cannot be immune to the threat of Grimm. Berghenstal doesn't just get to sit at the big 
468kids
469
4708:40:44 PM <AzureAzure> table "just because I wrote 50 pages". They also fail to convince 
471me why a volcano is so fucking important, nonetheless get to create all this super 
472technology on the fucking fly because the means are all conveniently there. It's a bad 
473case of "Look at my Huxley dystopia", that would instead make Huxley retch, then roll in 
474his fucking grave twice.
475
4768:43:18 PM <AzureAzure> I really wouldn't have this much of a problem if technology didn't 
477make it as easy to catch someone lying just to powerplay a location and population.
478
4798:57:21 PM <DrGustave> Anything to add, Vox?
480
4819:02:10 PM <@Vox_> Vox just got sideswiped by vertigo, so not at the moment. But I 
482probably would otherwise.
483
4849:04:17 PM <DrGustave> That's fine
485
4869:04:20 PM <DrGustave> I mean
487
4889:04:25 PM <DrGustave> It's not, feel better
489
4909:04:29 PM <DrGustave> You know what I meant.