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1[15:11:19:11:05] <NonSecwitter> Dogmatic Marxists are interesting to me
2[15:11:19:11:05] <NonSecwitter> Like a puffer fish
3[15:11:19:11:06] <+elricsfate> I'm debating if I should create a "journalism@" address for my domain or just use my regular email
4[15:11:19:11:06] <+elricsfate> Might do that later and just use a regular one for now
5[15:11:19:11:06] <NonSecwitter> elricsfate: I recommend an alternate e-mail
6[15:11:19:11:06] <+elricsfate> NonSecwitter, Why so?
7[15:11:19:11:06] <+elricsfate> Clever name btw
8[15:11:19:11:06] <NonSecwitter> Because we crawlers are _going_ to get your address
9[15:11:19:11:06] <NonSecwitter> THanks ;)
10[15:11:19:11:06] <Samian> mrdata_ can you tell me what you think of the passage I quoted?
11[15:11:19:11:06] <NonSecwitter> web crawlers
12[15:11:19:11:07] <+elricsfate> Yep, I dig NonSecwitter
13[15:11:19:11:08] <OMDPrebel> Just whitelist people you want to receive email from or use a listserv list
14[15:11:19:11:08] <+humbot> good advice Samian
15[15:11:19:11:08] <+justanotheruser> Is dr who good
16[15:11:19:11:08] <+mrdata_> Samian: it is refreshingly clear
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18[15:11:19:11:08] <+mrdata_> not super-concise, but okay
19[15:11:19:11:08] <OMDPrebel> Which Doctor?
20[15:11:19:11:09] <OMDPrebel> Whovian's know their first doctor
21[15:11:19:11:09] <+Taev> holy shit, a soviet scientist got hit by a particle accelerator right in the face
22[15:11:19:11:09] <OMDPrebel> This Scotish guy stinks but meh... might appeal to some.
23[15:11:19:11:09] <+Taev> went through his face and out the back of his head at near c
24[15:11:19:11:10] <+Taev> and he s fine
25[15:11:19:11:10] <NonSecwitter> Taev: Pics or it didn't happen
26[15:11:19:11:10] <+mrdata_> Taev: yes
27[15:11:19:11:10] <+mrdata_> Taev: this was decades ago
28[15:11:19:11:10] <+Taev> http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_640x430/public/beam.png
29[15:11:19:11:10] <+mrdata_> and he was damaged but not killed
30[15:11:19:11:10] <+mrdata_> so "fine" is relative
31[15:11:19:11:11] <NonSecwitter> Interesting... is there a news article to go with it?
32[15:11:19:11:11] <+mrdata_> NonSecwitter: soviet era, go figure
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34[15:11:19:11:11] <raylankester> shalom
35[15:11:19:11:12] <+Taev> well he finished his PhD
36[15:11:19:11:12] <+Taev> and he s still alive
37[15:11:19:11:12] <+Taev> soo
38[15:11:19:11:12] <+Taev> lot better than Phineas Gage
39[15:11:19:11:12] <NonSecwitter> Taev: That's who I thought of immediately
40[15:11:19:11:12] <+elricsfate> Anyone want to help me search through a non searchable document?
41[15:11:19:11:13] <+elricsfate> http://www.holaw.net/Documents/Paper%20-%20Texas%20Open%20Records%20Act.pdf
42[15:11:19:11:13] <+elricsfate> http://www.nfoic.org/texas-sample-foia-request
43[15:11:19:11:13] <gol> ^ Texas Sample FOIA Request | Texas FOIA Request | NFOIC
44[15:11:19:11:13] <+elricsfate> The example here mentions a waiver if you're part of the media or if it's for public internet
45[15:11:19:11:13] <NonSecwitter> OCR that shit
46[15:11:19:11:13] <OMDPrebel> Would have expected Phineas to get his PhD in Railroad Engineering
47[15:11:19:11:13] <+elricsfate> Trying to find that information in the document and if it's not mentioned, I don't intend to mention that it's for media use if it's not required.
48[15:11:19:11:14] <OMDPrebel> Plus Dr. Phineas Gage has a ring to it.
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50[15:11:19:11:15] <+mrdata_> he wasnt a doctor
51[15:11:19:11:15] <OMDPrebel> Just saying he should have been
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53[15:11:19:11:16] <OMDPrebel> Even if just an honoryary degree
54[15:11:19:11:16] <+mrdata_> ok we'll give him an honorary phd in abnormal psychology
55[15:11:19:11:16] <OMDPrebel> deal
56[15:11:19:11:16] <+mrdata_> justified by the fact that he did influence a lot of discourse on the suject
57[15:11:19:11:17] <+mrdata_> *subject
58[15:11:19:11:19] <+elricsfate> Nevermind, found the full document http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/GV/htm/GV.552.htm
59[15:11:19:11:19] <gol> ^ GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 552. PUBLIC INFORMATION
60[15:11:19:11:21] <+mrdata_> good
61[15:11:19:11:21] <+elricsfate> BAM
62[15:11:19:11:21] <+elricsfate> Found it
63[15:11:19:11:21] <+elricsfate> "Sec. 552.267.  WAIVER OR REDUCTION OF CHARGE FOR PROVIDING COPY OF PUBLIC INFORMATION.  "
64[15:11:19:11:22] <+mrdata_> deliberate obfuscation of this provision might be a tactic that texas would use
65[15:11:19:11:22] <+mrdata_> so it's good to find it
66[15:11:19:11:22] <+elricsfate> " A governmental body shall provide a copy of public information without charge or at a reduced charge if the governmental body determines that waiver or reduction of the charge is in the public interest because providing the copy of the information primarily benefits the general public."
67[15:11:19:11:22] <+mrdata_> good
68[15:11:19:11:22] <+MikeSeth> I've experienced gender discrimination today
69[15:11:19:11:22] <+mrdata_> so you wont have to pay thousands for it?
70[15:11:19:11:23] <+elricsfate> mrdata_, They limit how much they can charge
71[15:11:19:11:23] <+elricsfate> so it wouldn't be thousands
72[15:11:19:11:23] <+MikeSeth> I really needed to take a dump so I walked out into an unused ladies room in an office building
73[15:11:19:11:23] <+MikeSeth> and it had THREE toilets
74[15:11:19:11:23] <+elricsfate> but it could be a decent amount.
75[15:11:19:11:23] <+MikeSeth> instead of the two the mens rooms have
76[15:11:19:11:23] <OMDPrebel> Libraries used to charge too but then someone put a camera in a cell phone.
77[15:11:19:11:23] <+elricsfate> mrdata_, The act outlines limits on how much they can charge for things like copies. Like .10 a sheet for apper.
78[15:11:19:11:23] <+mrdata_> MikeSeth: the mens room has urinals, doesnt it?
79[15:11:19:11:23] <+humbot> men should not be allowed to poo at work ffs
80[15:11:19:11:24] <+elricsfate> MikeSeth, LOL
81[15:11:19:11:24] <+MikeSeth> mrdata_: yes, and they're disgusting
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83[15:11:19:11:24] <+mrdata_> MikeSeth: the use of urinals allows men to finish faster
84[15:11:19:11:24] <+mrdata_> it's just queueing theory at play
85[15:11:19:11:25] <+MikeSeth> queueing theory my ass, I want to relax and play with my phone
86[15:11:19:11:25] <+mrdata_> mhm
87[15:11:19:11:25] <+MikeSeth> y u no unisex toilets
88[15:11:19:11:26] <+elricsfate> Can't candy crush standing up
89[15:11:19:11:26] <+mrdata_> lol
90[15:11:19:11:26] <+elricsfate> For you Candy Crush fans, try Mean Bean Machine on Sega Genesis
91[15:11:19:11:26] <+elricsfate> It's better
92[15:11:19:11:27] <+coffeeguy> is sega even...?
93[15:11:19:11:27] <+elricsfate> There is a virtually identical game for the SNES as well that's Kirby based
94[15:11:19:11:27] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, Bro, do you even emulate?
95[15:11:19:11:27] <OMDPrebel> sure pulling Sega Genisis out of the closet. :P
96[15:11:19:11:27] <+coffeeguy> why would i .. fallout 4 star wars battlefront
97[15:11:19:11:27] <+MikeSeth> gtfo
98[15:11:19:11:27] <+MikeSeth> rimworld
99[15:11:19:11:28] <OMDPrebel> PS4 is a terrorist tool for world domination. Go figure.
100[15:11:19:11:28] <+MikeSeth> PS4 has no gaems
101[15:11:19:11:28] <+elricsfate> People still console game?
102[15:11:19:11:28] <+elricsfate> https://soundcloud.com/heroicrecordings/ark-patrol-escape-ft-dooqu
103[15:11:19:11:28] <gol> ^ Ark Patrol - Escape (ft. Dooqu) // [NestHQ Premiere] by Heroic Recordings. | Free Listening on SoundCloud
104[15:11:19:11:28] <OMDPrebel> elricsfate those with kids. They get a PS4 before a MBP
105[15:11:19:11:28] <+elricsfate> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Robotnik%27s_Mean_Bean_Machine
106[15:11:19:11:28] <gol> ^ Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, known as Dr. Robotnik and His Mean Bean Machine in Europe, is a puzzle game developed by Compile and released by Sega for the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive, Sega Game Gear and Sega Master System.
107[15:11:19:11:28] <+coffeeguy> pc pasty race
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109[15:11:19:11:29] <+CosmicWitch> MikeSeth, I hope you experience more gender discrimination :3
110[15:11:19:11:29] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, I let my neckbeard shine gloriously in the light as I boot up my Windows 7 based Super Computer
111[15:11:19:11:29] <+coffeeguy> lol
112[15:11:19:11:29] <+coffeeguy> pc! neckbeard race
113[15:11:19:11:29] <OMDPrebel> 6.22 was the last real OS from Microsoft
114[15:11:19:11:30] <+coffeeguy> dos?
115[15:11:19:11:30] <OMDPrebel> yep
116[15:11:19:11:30] <+elricsfate> OMDPrebel, I imagine you're going to tell me to get off your lawn shortly
117[15:11:19:11:30] <OMDPrebel> not if your cutting it
118[15:11:19:11:30] <+coffeeguy> wtf i just mowed that
119[15:11:19:11:30] <+coffeeguy> lol
120[15:11:19:11:30] <+MikeSeth> CosmicWitch: I'm already paid more than most women, what else is there to discover
121[15:11:19:11:31] <+CosmicWitch> why am I not suprised that the guy who complains about being oppressed by women has a neckbeard
122[15:11:19:11:31] <+CosmicWitch> heh
123[15:11:19:11:31] <+MikeSeth> I don't have a neckbeard
124[15:11:19:11:31] <+elricsfate> MikeSeth, Sir, have you considered that you're part of THE PATRIARCHY
125[15:11:19:11:31] <+MikeSeth> and that's because I shave with a straight razor
126[15:11:19:11:31] <+MikeSeth> and that's because I'm a man
127[15:11:19:11:31] <+coffeeguy> manly
128[15:11:19:11:31] <+MikeSeth> and men are better
129[15:11:19:11:31] <+elricsfate> MikeSeth, 10/10, I have one but just use my DE now.
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131[15:11:19:11:31] <+CosmicWitch> lol
132[15:11:19:11:31] <+CosmicWitch> MikeSeth, im talking about the guy who just said that he had a neckbeard
133[15:11:19:11:32] <+CosmicWitch> I appreciate your self centered approach to conversations though ;)
134[15:11:19:11:32] <+MikeSeth> oh so you want me more than I thought then
135[15:11:19:11:32] <+Taev> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugnMq1DXbLo
136[15:11:19:11:32] <gol> ^ Greg Giraldo / Roasting William Shatner [05:39]
137[15:11:19:11:32] <+justanotheruser> http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Texas-man-accused-of-assaulting-girlfriend-after-she-wouldnt-smell-his-armpit-351581051.html
138[15:11:19:11:32] <+Taev> omg
139[15:11:19:11:32] <gol> ^ Texas man accused of assaulting girlfriend after she wouldn't smell his armpit
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142[15:11:19:11:32] <+MikeSeth> Taev: uh what
143[15:11:19:11:32] <+CosmicWitch> hehe
144[15:11:19:11:32] <+Taev> Betty White: We all know William Shatner is nuts, but George Takei has actually tasted them!
145[15:11:19:11:32] <+Taev> LOL
146[15:11:19:11:32] <+coffeeguy> lol
147[15:11:19:11:33] <+MikeSeth> Shatner is my hero officially since Boston Legal
148[15:11:19:11:33] <+coffeeguy> da shat
149[15:11:19:11:33] <+MikeSeth> now if you excuse me, I need to get drunk
150[15:11:19:11:33] <+coffeeguy> why not get drunk and chat?
151[15:11:19:11:34] <+elricsfate> Taev, 10/10
152[15:11:19:11:34] <+CosmicWitch> MikeSeth, is gonna get shatfaced
153[15:11:19:11:34] <+CosmicWitch> :D
154[15:11:19:11:35] <+MikeSeth> i have a bottle of arak
155[15:11:19:11:35] <+MikeSeth> it pleads to be finished
156[15:11:19:11:35] <+MikeSeth> btw rumours are abound that Gorbachev has just died
157[15:11:19:11:36] <OMDPrebel> ah... So? Reagan died too.
158[15:11:19:11:36] <+coffeeguy> Detante'!
159[15:11:19:11:36] <+MikeSeth> but Gorbachev wasn't US' greatest president since Eisenhower was he
160[15:11:19:11:36] <+coffeeguy> aah the 80's and 90's what a crazy time
161[15:11:19:11:37] <+coffeeguy> i remember all the  christains saying he was the omen cause of that mark on his head
162[15:11:19:11:37] <+coffeeguy> ugh
163[15:11:19:11:37] <+mrdata_> goofy xtians
164[15:11:19:11:37] <+coffeeguy> he was a visionary
165[15:11:19:11:37] <+MikeSeth> trickle down beats planned every time
166[15:11:19:11:38] <+coffeeguy> i bet reagan and gorby got snookered together
167[15:11:19:11:38] <+coffeeguy> everyone drank back then tip o'neil, ted, regean etc...
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169[15:11:19:11:39] <OMDPrebel> I hear Gorby lost at
170[15:11:19:11:39] <+CosmicWitch> reagan was a bad president though
171[15:11:19:11:39] <OMDPrebel> Beer Pong and had to take down the wall
172[15:11:19:11:39] <+coffeeguy> everyone too uptight now to get along unless something disasterous happens, all hyped up on cocaine
173[15:11:19:11:39] <+CosmicWitch> he started the deficits don't matter dogma
174[15:11:19:11:40] <+coffeeguy> oh when he was gov. of cali he stopped funding of mental health to cut taxes and literarly threw 1000's of mentally ill on the L.A. streets
175[15:11:19:11:40] <+CosmicWitch> starve the beast is a federal failure that has put us very far into debt
176[15:11:19:11:40] <+coffeeguy> onto
177[15:11:19:11:40] <OMDPrebel> CosmicWitch Deficits start in the 70's in fact for 200 years they were linear until the 70's and they went progressive (statistically progressive)
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179[15:11:19:11:41] <OMDPrebel> Only corelation that makes sense is the Gold Standard
180[15:11:19:11:41] <OMDPrebel> No restriction on printing
181[15:11:19:11:41] <+coffeeguy> so all politicians even the ones we think are heros are ruthless cutthroats
182[15:11:19:11:41] <+Taev> Arak?
183[15:11:19:11:41] <+CosmicWitch> at the end of reagan's presidency we were a few trillion in debt
184[15:11:19:11:41] <+elricsfate> Should I make a separate request for the training manuals and one about how internal investigations are covered?
185[15:11:19:11:42] <+coffeeguy> MikeSeth: you weren't in the kgb were you?
186[15:11:19:11:42] <+CosmicWitch> reagan was a terrible president
187[15:11:19:11:42] <DrSheep> dont be silly, MikeSeth is in mossad
188[15:11:19:11:42] <+coffeeguy> he got shit down but many people who couldn't fight back were devestated
189[15:11:19:11:43] <+coffeeguy> done*
190[15:11:19:11:43] <+coffeeguy> CosmicWitch: that whole 80's young republican era was weird growing up in after living in the 70's as a kid
191[15:11:19:11:44] <+coffeeguy> greed, cocaine, hostile take overs etc...
192[15:11:19:11:44] <OMDPrebel> Well Mom and Dad were high all day, the kids had to take care of them.
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194[15:11:19:11:44] <+coffeeguy> DrSheep: actually he's not but i suspect he was a ranking person when he lived in russia
195[15:11:19:11:45] <+elricsfate> Anyone think this part is specific enough or am I being too vague?
196[15:11:19:11:45] <+elricsfate> http://fpaste.org/292429/79550341/
197[15:11:19:11:45] <gol> ^ #292429 • Fedora Project Pastebin
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199[15:11:19:11:46] <+coffeeguy> should you use the nomenclature of the exact documents you want?
200[15:11:19:11:46] <+coffeeguy> like s.o.p. operating porcedures 10-302 ( ie )
201[15:11:19:11:46] <gelibhas> the terrorists were communicating in ClubPenguin chat rooms?
202[15:11:19:11:46] <OMDPrebel> Isn't a Fedora a funny looking hat? SO a Fedora Pastebin is a funny
203[15:11:19:11:46] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, Ah, no way to know the exact section but I should mention SOP
204[15:11:19:11:46] <+coffeeguy> better togo in person to the records office if you don't know
205[15:11:19:11:47] <+elricsfate> No office per say coffeeguy
206[15:11:19:11:47] <+elricsfate> They provide a fax, email, and contact form.
207[15:11:19:11:47] <+coffeeguy> oh hmm
208[15:11:19:11:47] <+elricsfate> From what I'm reading, it's important to request the information I want but it doesn't have to be exact
209[15:11:19:11:47] <+coffeeguy> ok sounds cool, fax is fun :)
210[15:11:19:11:47] <+elricsfate> "[Describe the records or information sought with enough detail for the public agency to respond.  Be as specific as your knowledge of the available records will allow. But it is more important to describe the information you are seeking.]"
211[15:11:19:11:48] <+coffeeguy> oh ok well that's great
212[15:11:19:11:48] <+coffeeguy> might want to use the term 'current' too
213[15:11:19:11:49] <+coffeeguy> interesting stuff public records, are you collecting for a case or school?
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215[15:11:19:11:50] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, Journalism
216[15:11:19:11:50] <+coffeeguy> oh neat
217[15:11:19:11:50] <+coffeeguy> can i read the article when you're done?
218[15:11:19:11:50] <+elricsfate> Did you see what I posted a few weeks ago?
219[15:11:19:11:50] <+elricsfate> Sure coffeeguy
220[15:11:19:11:50] <+coffeeguy> no i didn't
221[15:11:19:11:50] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, https://www.rt.com/usa/321125-austin-police-violent-arrest-jaywalking/
222[15:11:19:11:50] <gol> ^ ‘What did I do?’ Austin police brutally arrest two African-American men for jaywalking (VIDEO) — RT USA
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224[15:11:19:11:51] <+elricsfate> I can explain, but I'll let you watch the video
225[15:11:19:11:51] <OMDPrebel> Considering the advent of the internet, public records should be public but they still try to keep the information to themselves unless you jump through hoops and wait years.
226[15:11:19:11:51] <+elricsfate> All charges were dropped against them
227[15:11:19:11:51] <Copter> The muslims strike again in Israel
228[15:11:19:11:51] <+elricsfate> OMDPrebel, Nope, not years.
229[15:11:19:11:51] <+elricsfate> In TX they have 10 days to respond
230[15:11:19:11:51] <+elricsfate> Unless the AG says there is a reason the record should be denied
231[15:11:19:11:51] <OMDPrebel> ACLU just received records it requested throught FOIA two years ago. And they are an entire law agency
232[15:11:19:11:52] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, This will be one of the first articles I've ever written and certainly the first journalistic article
233[15:11:19:11:52] <+mrdata_> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34868651
234[15:11:19:11:52] <gol> ^ Palestinian attacks in Israel and W Bank kill five - BBC News
235[15:11:19:11:52] <NonSecwitter> In Chicago there is a big legal debate over some dashcam footage of a teenager who was shot 16 times
236[15:11:19:11:52] <NonSecwitter> by police
237[15:11:19:11:52] <OMDPrebel> elricsfate feds are similar but if they don't there is no teeth for them not providing in a timely manner
238[15:11:19:11:52] <+elricsfate> OMDPrebel, Interesting
239[15:11:19:11:52] <+elricsfate> Seems almost pointless then
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241[15:11:19:11:53] <Copter> Palestinian attacks, not terrorist attacks
242[15:11:19:11:53] <Copter> gj bbc
243[15:11:19:11:53] <+coffeeguy> hmm Austin police seem to have a rep
244[15:11:19:11:53] <NonSecwitter> You'd probably blow people up, too, if they stole your homeland
245[15:11:19:11:53] <+coffeeguy> now
246[15:11:19:11:54] <NonSecwitter> All police seem to have a rep now
247[15:11:19:11:54] <raylankester> CosmicWitch, shake dat
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249[15:11:19:11:54] <+coffeeguy> excessive force is what it is unnessecary
250[15:11:19:11:54] <+MikeSeth> o/~ from the river to the sea
251[15:11:19:11:54] <+MikeSeth> o/~ palestine will be free*
252[15:11:19:11:54] <+MikeSeth> -
253[15:11:19:11:54] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, Yep
254[15:11:19:11:54] <+MikeSeth> * - from arabs
255[15:11:19:11:54] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, As the article mentions, similar thing happened last year to a female jogger
256[15:11:19:11:54] <+coffeeguy>  nice article elricsfate , well written
257[15:11:19:11:54] <+elricsfate> That one wasn't me btw
258[15:11:19:11:55] <+elricsfate> But it does explain what mine will be about
259[15:11:19:11:55] <+coffeeguy> yes i read that one too
260[15:11:19:11:55] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, APD said they were investigating this issue
261[15:11:19:11:55] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, That's why I'm curious about how these investigations occur and if there is any public oversight
262[15:11:19:11:55] <+coffeeguy> good something needs to be done
263[15:11:19:11:55] <+elricsfate> I'm also wondering if I can find evidence of them breaking their own guidelines within the video (with no consequences)
264[15:11:19:11:56] <+coffeeguy> oh that would be interesting if the actual hearing would be open to the public
265[15:11:19:11:56] <+elricsfate> LOL "Hearing"
266[15:11:19:11:57] <+coffeeguy> hmm with no consequences
267[15:11:19:11:57] <+elricsfate> I highly doubt there is any hearing
268[15:11:19:11:57] <+coffeeguy> heh probably not no doubt wishfull thinkinng
269[15:11:19:11:57] <+elricsfate> "Hey Bob, how does this look?" "Looks fine to me Jim"
270[15:11:19:11:57] <NonSecwitter> Chicago paid $5Mil because of the cop who shot the teenager in Chicago, and the officer is on desk duty
271[15:11:19:11:57] <NonSecwitter> being paid
272[15:11:19:11:57] <NonSecwitter> and working
273[15:11:19:11:57] <+elricsfate> ^^^
274[15:11:19:11:58] <+coffeeguy> well this sucks irccloud is lagging like crazy now :(
275[15:11:19:11:59] <+c|oe> Isis has infiltrated the cloud.
276[15:11:19:11:59] <NonSecwitter> @_@
277[15:11:19:11:59] <+c|oe> U heard it hear first.
278[15:11:19:11:59] <+c|oe> Here too.
279[15:11:19:11:59] <NonSecwitter> lol
280[15:11:19:11:59] <+c|oe> :p
281[15:11:19:11:59] <NonSecwitter> I almosted snorted coffee out my nose because of you
282[15:11:19:11:59] <+c|oe> p:D
283[15:11:19:11:59] <+ron_o> ooo)(OOO)))))00000  < the cloud
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285[15:11:19:11:59] <+coffeeguy> lol elricsfate
286[15:11:19:11:59] <+coffeeguy> i'm paying 5 bucks a month for this :(
287[15:11:19:11:59] <Samian> Hi
288[15:11:19:12:00] <Samian> I have pasted what a friend of mine wrote here: http://pastebin.com/nnxSmFMH
289[15:11:19:12:00] <gol> ^ What happened in Paris is an opportunity for greater empathy and unity.The knee- - Pastebin.com
290[15:11:19:12:00] <OMDPrebel> They're setting up a Shamir _TimeLock Bomb
291[15:11:19:12:00] <NonSecwitter> coffeeguy: Why not just use the freenode site?
292[15:11:19:12:00] <Samian> can someone tell me if my friend used the word "counterintuitive" correct?
293[15:11:19:12:00] <Samian> It's used in the first sentence in hte pastbin link: "What happened in Paris is an opportunity for greater empathy and unity.The knee-jerk reaction is usually outrage toward Muslims (and now, probably refugees), but nothing could be more counterintuitive."
294[15:11:19:12:00] <NonSecwitter> No.
295[15:11:19:12:00] <Samian> Isn't she using counterintuitive incorrectly?
296[15:11:19:12:00] <NonSecwitter> I think (s)he meant counterproductive
297[15:11:19:12:00] <Samian> yeah
298[15:11:19:12:01] <NonSecwitter> it is intuitive to hate all Muslims and refugees, just not smart or productive.
299[15:11:19:12:01] <+modulus> lol the cloud
300[15:11:19:12:01] <OMDPrebel> couldn't careless example example
301[15:11:19:12:01] <+modulus> it's raining daesh
302[15:11:19:12:01] <Samian> something can't be a "knee-jerk" reaction and "counterintuitive" at the same time
303[15:11:19:12:01] <+Taev> i want to lol when ISIS suicide bombers get to "heaven" and find out their 72 virgins are 70 year old catholic nun school teachers with giant rulers
304[15:11:19:12:01] <Samian> a "knee-jerk reaction" implies an intuitive reaction that has effects that make things worse
305[15:11:19:12:02] <NonSecwitter> Eh, we're not even really using intuitive right. WE're talking about instinct
306[15:11:19:12:02] <Samian> yeah exactly
307[15:11:19:12:02] <Samian> intuitive is like "an intuitive way of solving a problem"
308[15:11:19:12:02] <OMDPrebel> knee jerk reaction doesn't mean it's a wrong action but just an immediate action
309[15:11:19:12:02] <NonSecwitter> brb, jumper cables to the rescue
310[15:11:19:12:03] <Samian> meaning that the way to solve it is easily seen by the human mind
311[15:11:19:12:03] <+elricsfate> I'm nervous and accidentally sent it in with the wrong email
312[15:11:19:12:03] <+elricsfate> 1/10
313[15:11:19:12:04] <Samian> Like cooking a particular dish can be intuitive in that what ingredients seem to work well together is instinctive. Is that right?
314[15:11:19:12:04] <Copter> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/muslims-murder-1-israeli-wound-9-others-in-shooting-and-run-over-attack
315[15:11:19:12:04] <gol> ^ Muslims murder 1 Israeli, wound 9 others in shooting and run-over attack
316[15:11:19:12:05] <+coffeeguy> http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/19/world/paris-attacks/
317[15:11:19:12:05] <gol> ^ Abdelhamid Abaaoud killed, prosecutor's office says - CNN.com
318[15:11:19:12:05] <+coffeeguy> whoa
319[15:11:19:12:05] <OMDPrebel> Cookies and Milk is intuitive, eating them is instinctive
320[15:11:19:12:06] <Samian> so should I reply to my friend saying she isn't using the word "counterintuitive" correctly?
321[15:11:19:12:06] <+modulus> https://w00tsec.blogspot.com.es/2015/11/arris-cable-modem-has-backdoor-in.html
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323[15:11:19:12:06] <Copter> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/12249591_1123375764346994_2796193759484540415_n.jpg?oh=449e671edae366ddd64ba2dc088f29d8&oe=56F106E9&__gda__=1454158925_65a6fcc5915bbb04916b349d6383f01c
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325[15:11:19:12:09] <+modulus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmKd69-KyhQ
326[15:11:19:12:09] <gol> ^ ARRIS Cable Modem - Serial Backdoor [02:16]
327[15:11:19:12:09] <+modulus> trololol
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329[15:11:19:12:10] <+modulus> nice tune for the keygen
330[15:11:19:12:10] <+kish> morning
331[15:11:19:12:10] <+modulus> Eve.
332[15:11:19:12:10] <+kish> evening*
333[15:11:19:12:10] <+elricsfate> Samian, I would say yes
334[15:11:19:12:10] <+elricsfate> but I'm an asshole
335[15:11:19:12:10] <+kish> keygen sounds like a crack
336[15:11:19:12:10] <+elricsfate> (if it was actually incorrect, I didn't check it)
337[15:11:19:12:10] <+kish> like you got something for free
338[15:11:19:12:10] <+kish> software that is
339[15:11:19:12:10] <+modulus> this  is a crack for cablemodems
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341[15:11:19:12:11] <+kish> i used to love running keygens
342[15:11:19:12:11] <+modulus> you can pwn from the outside because lulz
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344[15:11:19:12:11] <Samian> modulus all cable modems?
345[15:11:19:12:11] <+ron_o> no, Arris
346[15:11:19:12:11] <+kish> poor arris
347[15:11:19:12:11] <NonSecwitter> Samian: She is not. Instinctive is a reflexive reaction to a stimulus. Intuition is a conclusion reached quickly and unintentionally based on your collective experience.
348[15:11:19:12:12] <+ron_o> I bet a lot of these cable modems have back doors. At least you could create one that's long enough it can't be guessed.
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350[15:11:19:12:12] <+kish> what a bunch of idiots
351[15:11:19:12:12] <+ron_o> or reverse engineered*
352[15:11:19:12:12] <+kish> thsoe are engineers?
353[15:11:19:12:12] <+modulus> i love it
354[15:11:19:12:13] <raylankester> kish, hello
355[15:11:19:12:13] <+kish> i love it myself
356[15:11:19:12:13] <+kish> hi ray
357[15:11:19:12:13] <+modulus> they have a backdoor, and backdoor in the backdoor
358[15:11:19:12:13] <+kish> ltns
359[15:11:19:12:13] <+modulus> and then another backdoor
360[15:11:19:12:13] <+modulus> because fuck it why not what could possibly go wrong
361[15:11:19:12:13] <+kish> can you fdo this from the web
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363[15:11:19:12:13] <+kish> from the outside
364[15:11:19:12:13] <+BlueLobster> modulus
365[15:11:19:12:13] <+modulus> yes
366[15:11:19:12:13] <+kish> or is the http service off
367[15:11:19:12:13] <+BlueLobster> what's for dinner
368[15:11:19:12:13] <+kish> what!!
369[15:11:19:12:13] <+kish> BlueLobster, meat
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372[15:11:19:12:13] <+ron_o> Toe jam
373[15:11:19:12:13] <+BlueLobster> kish: fish!
374[15:11:19:12:13] <+kish> why is the webserver accessible from the outside
375[15:11:19:12:14] <+modulus> it's not a webserver
376[15:11:19:12:14] <+modulus> it's an ssh server because, again, lulz
377[15:11:19:12:14] <+kish> it's a 192.168.100.1 address
378[15:11:19:12:14] <+kish> that's not from the outside
379[15:11:19:12:14] <+kish> by which i mean the internet
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381[15:11:19:12:14] <+modulus> yeah but you can pwn them from the outside
382[15:11:19:12:14] <+modulus> as well
383[15:11:19:12:14] <+modulus> at least that's what i seem to be seeing on the article
384[15:11:19:12:14] <+kish> who uses arris
385[15:11:19:12:14] <+modulus> BlueLobster: probably bread and hummus and maybe a meat pie if i feel enough hunger
386[15:11:19:12:14] <NonSecwitter> Comcast
387[15:11:19:12:15] <NonSecwitter> kish: like 80% of Comcast subscribers
388[15:11:19:12:15] <+kish> hahhahahaa
389[15:11:19:12:15] <+modulus> i was going to say my cablemdoem's brand but i don't want to give anyone ideas
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391[15:11:19:12:15] <+modulus> let's jsut say it's not arris
392[15:11:19:12:15] <NonSecwitter> modulus: I think we can all imply from that sentence that it's arris
393[15:11:19:12:15] <+modulus> haha fortunately not
394[15:11:19:12:15] <+coffeeguy> i should check mine too modulus thanks for that
395[15:11:19:12:15] <NonSecwitter> Motorola all the way baby
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397[15:11:19:12:16] <+modulus> i suspect 99% of cablemodems (number pulled right of out the arse) are 1) vulnerable, 2) misconfigured, 3) have default passwords, 4) all of the above.
398[15:11:19:12:16] <+coffeeguy> cisco is king
399[15:11:19:12:17] <+coffeeguy> i wish i had a surfboard
400[15:11:19:12:17] <+modulus> Christopher Toth RT @Tod Beardsley : How to buy a new cable modem:
401[15:11:19:12:17] <+modulus> 1) Look up ISP provider compat list.
402[15:11:19:12:17] <+modulus> 2) Search model names on @metasploit .
403[15:11:19:12:17] <+modulus> 3) Cancel cable. 2 hours ago from Chicken Nugget
404[15:11:19:12:17] <NonSecwitter> Surfboard was designed by Motorola
405[15:11:19:12:18] <NonSecwitter> Cisco bought it, so I don't give them credit for the inner workings
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409[15:11:19:12:20] <+coffeeguy> WHY DOES EVERYTHING SMELL LIKE COCAINE???
410[15:11:19:12:20] <+coffeeguy> opps wrong channel
411[15:11:19:12:20] <OMDPrebel> Private Radio Networks utilizing Radio Modems, No Cables required... and it's global
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413[15:11:19:12:21] <Samian> I hate it when people use abstract words maliciously to try to win in an argument by means other than exploring truth
414[15:11:19:12:21] <+modulus> http://www.theladbible.com/articles/bbc-accidentally-broadcasts-giant-vagina-during-interview
415[15:11:19:12:21] <gol> ^ BBC Accidentally Broadcasts Giant Vagina During Interview | The LAD Bible
416[15:11:19:12:21] <Samian> for example "Obamacare is destroying our country." Well it depends on what you mean by destroying!
417[15:11:19:12:22] <Samian> maybe what you call "destroying" is what I call "improving"
418[15:11:19:12:22] <OMDPrebel> Semantics is a problem.
419[15:11:19:12:22] <Samian> What's your criteria for "destroying"
420[15:11:19:12:22] <OMDPrebel> Making worse
421[15:11:19:12:22] <Samian> BUt nooo. THe counter arguer falls for the trap and says "Obamacare isn't destroying our country"
422[15:11:19:12:22] <OMDPrebel> With all thing being equal, are you better off or worse
423[15:11:19:12:22] <+elricsfate> Obamacare is shit
424[15:11:19:12:23] <+modulus> true, its shit
425[15:11:19:12:23] <+elricsfate> it may not be "Destroying it" but it's shit
426[15:11:19:12:23] <Samian> In argument, it's best first to start by asking about the words, instead of assuming to know how the other person uses the words
427[15:11:19:12:23] <+elricsfate> It did not accomplish what it intended to do
428[15:11:19:12:23] <+modulus> it's marginally less shit than what precededit arguably
429[15:11:19:12:23] <+modulus> but still shit
430[15:11:19:12:23] <NonSecwitter> UnitedHealth is about to leave the ACA marker
431[15:11:19:12:23] <NonSecwitter> market
432[15:11:19:12:23] <+rplasmid> ^
433[15:11:19:12:23] <+coffeeguy> they just raised the rates in medicare for my mom so i don't know what's going on
434[15:11:19:12:23] <+elricsfate> We go "look at all these people with insurance now". Yeh, with gigantic ass deductibles and copays
435[15:11:19:12:23] <OMDPrebel> You know it's bad when the people that wrote the law exempt themselves from using it.
436[15:11:19:12:23] <+elricsfate> OMDPrebel, That's a good first sign
437[15:11:19:12:23] <+rplasmid> If Obama care is the best your country can do what does that say about your country
438[15:11:19:12:23] <Samian> in most cases, the arguer wants to stall on what his words mean so he can gain leverage by later saying that he's being misunderstood
439[15:11:19:12:24] <+elricsfate> rplasmid, That it's led by self serving assholes?
440[15:11:19:12:24] <+coffeeguy> raised the rates for medicine*
441[15:11:19:12:24] <Samian> good example is "I did not have sexual relations with that somen"
442[15:11:19:12:24] <Samian> *women
443[15:11:19:12:24] <Samian> well how do you define sexual relations Mr CLintoN!
444[15:11:19:12:24] <Samian> "ehhh, I don't want to tell you how I'm defining that term!"
445[15:11:19:12:25] <+coffeeguy> erm pulling it out and having stuff done to it?
446[15:11:19:12:25] <+modulus> what if you don't have PIV
447[15:11:19:12:25] <+modulus> PIV is for perverts really
448[15:11:19:12:25] <+coffeeguy> PIV?
449[15:11:19:12:25] <+coffeeguy> oh piv
450[15:11:19:12:25] <+modulus> pens in vagina
451[15:11:19:12:25] <+coffeeguy> kk
452[15:11:19:12:26] <+coffeeguy> like some machismo man saying hey it's a bj it anin't sex
453[15:11:19:12:26] <OMDPrebel> I prefer VOP
454[15:11:19:12:26] <+modulus> https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/
455[15:11:19:12:26] <gol> ^ PIV is always rape, ok? | radical wind
456[15:11:19:12:27] <+coffeeguy> well anyhoo back to medicare *caid and the ACA, you guys do realize we paid for the viet war with that healthcare bill nixion instituted
457[15:11:19:12:27] <+CosmicWitch> I think that if consent isn't reestablished every 3 minutes it could be rape
458[15:11:19:12:27] <+kunwon1> !vote list
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460[15:11:19:12:27] <+coffeeguy> i'm thinking if the republicans get in the potus seat they'll pivot all that aca stuff to make them a ton of capital
461[15:11:19:12:28] <Samian> do any of you have kids?
462[15:11:19:12:28] <OMDPrebel> Forced purchase of a commercial product is just wrong.
463[15:11:19:12:28] <+kunwon1> y'all !v y 724 for bougyman enfranchisement
464[15:11:19:12:28] <+kunwon1> and 719 for rayk if anyone knows who that is
465[15:11:19:12:28] <+CosmicWitch> Samian, YES
466[15:11:19:12:28] <+CosmicWitch> would you like to see a pic?
467[15:11:19:12:28] <OMDPrebel> Obamacare is like paying taxes for your toll roads.
468[15:11:19:12:28] <+modulus> i started the vote for 719 and i regret it now
469[15:11:19:12:28] <Samian> when I have kids, I predict one day my son or daughter coming home with a paper containing comments from a teacher giving my child bad advice
470[15:11:19:12:28] <+CosmicWitch> here are my babies http://i.imgur.com/dgaCZdo.jpg
471[15:11:19:12:29] <+modulus> he got quieted and came back flooding
472[15:11:19:12:29] <+kunwon1> !v n 719
47302[15:11:19:12:29] * +CosmicWitch smiles a bit too intensely and stares vacantly forward
474[15:11:19:12:29] <+coffeeguy> LOL CosmicWitch
475[15:11:19:12:29] <Samian> I will have helped my child write a well written paper, and the teacher gives a B saying that if the paper had been what I consider worse, it would have received an A
476[15:11:19:12:29] <+justanotheruser> !vote list
477[15:11:19:12:29] <+modulus> the quiet was proably arbitrary but flooding as a response is just not an acceptable response.
478[15:11:19:12:29] <+justanotheruser> !vote list
479[15:11:19:12:29] <+justanotheruser> !v n 719
480[15:11:19:12:30] <+justanotheruser> !v y 724
481[15:11:19:12:30] <+elricsfate> Samian, I dealt with some stupid shit in school
482[15:11:19:12:30] <+kunwon1> anyone who floods should be permanently banned
483[15:11:19:12:30] <+coffeeguy> aah "Long Live the Expirement"
484[15:11:19:12:31] <Samian> It is like some teacher actually prefer highflown pretentious writing to writing that uses simple words and is easy to follow
485[15:11:19:12:31] <+elricsfate> Samian, I remember having a concept of negative numbers in kindergarten, but my teacher would just mark my answers wrong instead of rewarding me for understanding a subject that she hadn't evne taught me
486[15:11:19:12:31] <OMDPrebel> Some flooding is unintentional
487[15:11:19:12:31] <+elricsfate> ^^
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489[15:11:19:12:31] <+kunwon1> right, and if you're that incompetent, you should be permanently banned
490[15:11:19:12:31] <OMDPrebel> Still banned from books because of a weird netsplit that kept be logging in
491[15:11:19:12:31] <Samian> Writing in a manner that is easily to follow and that does not require pulling out the dictionary requires MORE EFFORT than writing in a pretentious unclear manner!!!
492[15:11:19:12:31] <+justanotheruser> everyone should get 25 lines of ascii for free
493[15:11:19:12:31] <+elricsfate> kunwon1, Yep, because mistakes never happen
494[15:11:19:12:31] <+kunwon1> exactly
495[15:11:19:12:32] <+elricsfate> My point is that you're being unreasonable
496[15:11:19:12:32] <+kunwon1> at least, not with sane irc software
497[15:11:19:12:32] <+elricsfate> If it wasn't clear, I was being sarcastic
498[15:11:19:12:32] <+kunwon1> i know, my point is that you're wrong
499[15:11:19:12:32] <+coffeeguy> i accident paste copy spam into channel hurr durr
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501[15:11:19:12:32] <+elricsfate> My point is that your rule will capture people who haven't done anything particularly wrong.
502[15:11:19:12:32] <+kunwon1> yes, that's intentional
503[15:11:19:12:33] <+elricsfate> I sometimes have stuff in my copy buffer that I'm not expecting
504[15:11:19:12:33] <+elricsfate> Generally console output or similar
505[15:11:19:12:33] <+kunwon1> me too
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507[15:11:19:12:33] <+kunwon1> my irc client won't let me paste it
508[15:11:19:12:33] <+modulus> !v 724
509[15:11:19:12:33] <+kunwon1> because it's sane
510[15:11:19:12:33] <+modulus> jesus shit the presentation of voting info is horrible
511[15:11:19:12:33] <+coffeeguy> someone really doesn't like irccloud ddos'd again
512[15:11:19:12:33] <+justanotheruser> pa pa l' americano
513[15:11:19:12:33] <+modulus> it's presented on a ridiculous number of notices
514[15:11:19:12:34] <+kunwon1> modulus: it's nicely tabulated in my opinion, but i can see how it could present issues for some
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517[15:11:19:12:35] <+modulus> i'd much rather get it all squirted on one notice, or at most two.
518[15:11:19:12:35] <+coffeeguy> i hate botnets and they could be totally done away with if 13yo jimmy would have some parental supervision keeping him fro d/l 0day warez piratebay lolwtfbbq
519[15:11:19:12:35] <+lupine> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/19/population-crisis-farm-animals-laying-waste-to-planet
520[15:11:19:12:35] <gol> ^ There’s a population crisis all right. But probably not the one you think | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian
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522[15:11:19:12:36] <+justanotheruser> coffeeguy: I think most botnets are run by 14 year olds
523[15:11:19:12:36] <+coffeeguy> that too
524[15:11:19:12:36] <+justanotheruser> not that those are the big ones
525[15:11:19:12:36] <+modulus> coffeeguy - this is in the parallel world where people know how to computers and the 13-year-old child is the only thing standing between complete spyware and tr0janing annihilation followed by throwing the computer away because what is reinstalling.
526[15:11:19:12:36] <+justanotheruser> when I was 14, all my 1337 internet friends had their own botnet3
527[15:11:19:12:36] <TimDix> Hello, I'm trying to determine the legality of political contributions made by minors, anyone know a definitive source of information?
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529[15:11:19:12:36] <+elricsfate> I doubt it's 14 year olds
530[15:11:19:12:36] <BigRonnieRon> botnets are runs by the Russian online organized crime
531[15:11:19:12:36] <+modulus> TimDix - jurisdiction?
532[15:11:19:12:36] <BigRonnieRon> I forget what it's called, someone around here knows I'm sure
533[15:11:19:12:36] <TimDix> modulus: Maryland, USA
534[15:11:19:12:36] <+elricsfate> More likely Mom and Pop who think they know more about computers than their child (Hint: They probably dont')
535[15:11:19:12:37] <+justanotheruser> TimDix: tried googling? http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/limitations-on-political-contributions-by-minors.aspx
536[15:11:19:12:37] <gol> ^ Limitations on Political Contributions by Minors in Selected States
537[15:11:19:12:37] <+modulus> ah, that's outside my knowledge.
538[15:11:19:12:37] <+elricsfate> See the infamous " Your video games gave us viruses" argument
539[15:11:19:12:37] <BigRonnieRon> hey modulus
540[15:11:19:12:37] <+kunwon1> BigRonnieRon: possibly some of them
541[15:11:19:12:37] <+lupine> the main problem with soya, of course, is that it tastes like shit
542[15:11:19:12:37] <TimDix> justanotheruser: My state was specifically not on that list.
543[15:11:19:12:37] <+modulus> hello, BigRonnieRon
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546[15:11:19:12:37] <TimDix> justanotheruser: (I found that one, and the FEC one)
547[15:11:19:12:37] <+junka> justanotheruser: pls
548[15:11:19:12:37] <+modulus> lupine: you mean the milk or different forms of it?
549[15:11:19:12:37] <+justanotheruser> TimDix: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/23/AR2007102301882.html
550[15:11:19:12:37] <gol> ^ As Campaigns Chafe at Limits, Donors Might Be in Diapers
551[15:11:19:12:37] <+coffeeguy> well all the infections to add members to the botnet come from infected d/ls
552[15:11:19:12:37] <+modulus> i don't mind soy in some forms
553[15:11:19:12:37] <+junka> justanotheruser: I was unbanned as expected
554[15:11:19:12:37] <+justanotheruser> it looks like their 7 and 8 year olds donated $2300 to obama each
555[15:11:19:12:38] <+kunwon1> edamame is great
556[15:11:19:12:38] <+modulus> 8-year-olds are in nappies?
557[15:11:19:12:38] <+justanotheruser> obviously it was a proxy
558[15:11:19:12:38] <+junka> justanotheruser: our evil plan is going according to plan
559[15:11:19:12:38] <+modulus> your toilet training regime is lacking.
560[15:11:19:12:38] <TimDix> justanotheruser: Yeah, I don't see that as definitive, but yeah, that's kinda what I'm getting at.
561[15:11:19:12:38] <+justanotheruser> modulus: the article also mentions a 2 year old donating
562[15:11:19:12:38] <+justanotheruser> :D
563[15:11:19:12:38] <+modulus> hmm 2 is borderline i guess
564[15:11:19:12:39] <+justanotheruser> tbh, I don't know when diapers end
565[15:11:19:12:39] <TimDix> Now, I can't afford 2,300 for my kids to donate... but I'd like to start instilling a sense of politics.
566[15:11:19:12:39] <+kunwon1> !v flags --duration=86400 junka -V
567[15:11:19:12:39] <+justanotheruser> TimDix: oh, you're not a kid, you're trying to use them as a proxy? :P
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569[15:11:19:12:39] <@kunwon1> !v flags --duration=86400 junka -V
57005[15:11:19:12:39] -SPQF:##politics- Voting has started! Issue #726: flags: junka -V. You have 86400 seconds to vote! Type or PM: !vote y 726 or !vote n 726
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572[15:11:19:12:39] <+modulus> TimDix - no offence but donating is one of the worst ways to engage in politics.
573[15:11:19:12:39] <+justanotheruser> !v n 726
574[15:11:19:12:39] <+modulus> why not discuss, or participate in movements or whatever
575[15:11:19:12:39] <OMDPrebel> !list
576[15:11:19:12:39] <+junka> kunwon1: why are you so butthurt all of a sudden
577[15:11:19:12:39] <+justanotheruser> better yet, why not pay people to start a movement!
578[15:11:19:12:40] <+kunwon1> this guy has never once talked about politics and only seems concerned with interpersonal irc bullshit, don't know how he got enfranchised
579[15:11:19:12:40] <+kunwon1> i suspect sockpuppetry
580[15:11:19:12:40] <+justanotheruser> no
581[15:11:19:12:40] <+modulus> !v y 726
582[15:11:19:12:40] <+justanotheruser> you can check his registration
583[15:11:19:12:40] <+junka> !v n 726
584[15:11:19:12:40] <TimDix> modulus: Yes, absolutely, and I do discuss politics with my daughter (7). But the conversation moved onto donations because, and she wanted to know if she could donate.
585[15:11:19:12:40] <+modulus> kunwon1: balls why did you make the vote so long?
586[15:11:19:12:40] <+justanotheruser> he is just a friend from another channel
587[15:11:19:12:40] <+modulus> one hour and we'd be done
588[15:11:19:12:40] <+kunwon1> unsure modulus
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590[15:11:19:12:40] <+kunwon1> i have it copy and pasted
591[15:11:19:12:40] <+rplasmid> junka: what's your opinion on science
592[15:11:19:12:40] <+kunwon1> maybe i added a zero
593[15:11:19:12:40] <+junka> rplasmid: which sciencr
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595[15:11:19:12:41] <+rplasmid> The scientific method
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598[15:11:19:12:41] <+modulus> kunwon1: that's a whole fucking day
599[15:11:19:12:41] <+kunwon1> justanotheruser: i no longer have any frame of reference to tell whether you're serious or just trolling with some made up crap, so i tend to disbelieve everything you say
600[15:11:19:12:41] <+rplasmid> All disciplines of double blind replicated falsifiable independent large sample size science
601[15:11:19:12:41] <+MikeSeth> ok im now buzzy
602[15:11:19:12:41] <+MikeSeth> CosmicWitch: lets make out
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604[15:11:19:12:41] <+kunwon1> modulus: i can handle that
605[15:11:19:12:41] <OMDPrebel> The import funtion seems intersting and dangerous for voting... !v import #bitcoin-otc could be problematic
606[15:11:19:12:41] <+CosmicWitch> from what I've seen justanotheruser trolls most of the time
607[15:11:19:12:41] <+kunwon1> at least it's not a month
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609[15:11:19:12:42] <+junka> justanotheruser: let's make our own channel
610[15:11:19:12:42] <+rplasmid> Lol so much balkanization
611[15:11:19:12:42] <bugoff> Is the controversy about Israel generally about the entire Israel or just the Jerusalem part?
612[15:11:19:12:42] <+rplasmid> junka: you still haven't replied
613[15:11:19:12:42] <+kunwon1> rplasmid: it happens every month or so
614[15:11:19:12:42] <+justanotheruser> junka: will CosmicWitch vote for you?
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616[15:11:19:12:43] <+modulus> bugoff - depends, it can be about 1) 1967 borders, 2) jerusalem east, 3) the rest of jerusalem, 4) the occupied territories, or 5) the whole regime of zionist occupation.
617[15:11:19:12:43] <+modulus> depends who's talking and what degree of position they take.
618[15:11:19:12:43] <+humbot> what is this other channel?
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621[15:11:19:12:43] <+junka> rplasmid: I cant
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624[15:11:19:12:43] <+kunwon1> fuck
625[15:11:19:12:43] <+junka> right now
626[15:11:19:12:43] <+modulus> humbot: it's another channel i'm not joining
627[15:11:19:12:43] <+MikeSeth> it's about jews putting their dirty feet on the sacred ground of the superior arab race
628[15:11:19:12:43] <+kunwon1> oh, it came back
629[15:11:19:12:43] <+rplasmid> junka: its a simple question
630[15:11:19:12:44] <+junka> justanotheruser: she can do whatever she wants
631[15:11:19:12:44] <+justanotheruser> !vote list
632[15:11:19:12:44] <+rplasmid> !vote list
63302[15:11:19:12:44] * +MikeSeth is making foods
634[15:11:19:12:44] <+justanotheruser> !vote list
635[15:11:19:12:44] <+modulus> MikeSeth: 'cept there were continual settlements of jews in palestine without it becoming an issue.
636[15:11:19:12:44] <+junka> rplasmid: I'm with science
637[15:11:19:12:44] <+rplasmid> Fully?
638[15:11:19:12:45] <+junka> for the most part
639[15:11:19:12:45] <+MikeSeth> modulus: yes it's only when arabs realized they can't get away with stealing jewish sheep anymore that it took the shape of organized racist-motivated violence
640[15:11:19:12:45] <+humbot> we can't reject people just because their justanotheruser's friend
641[15:11:19:12:45] <+humbot> can we?
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643[15:11:19:12:46] <+kunwon1> we can reject them for any reason
644[15:11:19:12:46] <+rplasmid> justanotheruser: what's the other channel
645[15:11:19:12:46] <+rplasmid> Is it any good
646[15:11:19:12:46] <+kunwon1> i called the vote though because i suspect sockpuppetry
647[15:11:19:12:46] <+justanotheruser> rplasmid: I don't have one
648[15:11:19:12:46] <+justanotheruser> well, I have #cultofbluelobster
649[15:11:19:12:46] <+humbot> you're obviously not the only one kunwon1
650[15:11:19:12:46] <+rplasmid> I am staying very far away from there
651[15:11:19:12:46] <+justanotheruser> MikeSeth: are they really that desparate for sex?
652[15:11:19:12:46] <+modulus> MikeSeth: that's trolly enough i don't feel the duty to respond.
653[15:11:19:12:46] <+elricsfate> Oh wait, I remember who you are now kunwon1
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656[15:11:19:12:47] <+kunwon1> elricsfate: wonderful, i suspect a passive aggressive insult is forthcoming?
657[15:11:19:12:47] <xormor> now the terrorist mastermind is dead. his name was Abaaoud.
658[15:11:19:12:47] <OMDPrebel> Suspect sockpuppetry? In an IRC channel it is practically guranteed.
659[15:11:19:12:47] <+MikeSeth> in other news
660[15:11:19:12:47] <+MikeSeth> mein shrimp is growing
661[15:11:19:12:47] <+MikeSeth> almost as fast as my white male privilege
662[15:11:19:12:47] <+MikeSeth> niiiice
663[15:11:19:12:47] <bugoff> Just keeping all these terms in my head is difficult.
664[15:11:19:12:47] <+kunwon1> lol
665[15:11:19:12:47] <+elricsfate> kunwon1, No, you constantly seem to abuse or otherwise overstep your bounds frequently
666[15:11:19:12:47] <+kunwon1> which bounds are those
667[15:11:19:12:48] <+elricsfate> No need for passive aggression, we can use real words
668[15:11:19:12:48] <+humbot> oh this should be boring
669[15:11:19:12:48] <+modulus> i'm going to make a prediction
670[15:11:19:12:48] <+modulus> elricsfate is going to get itself quieted or banned.
671[15:11:19:12:48] <+modulus> any takers?
672[15:11:19:12:48] <+CosmicWitch> god that fucking bot stirs up so much drama
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674[15:11:19:12:48] <+elricsfate> He has done it before
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676[15:11:19:12:48] <OMDPrebel> can you use shakespearean words, they're better with popcorn
677[15:11:19:12:48] <+elricsfate> For very minor stuff
678[15:11:19:12:48] <+elricsfate> Which is my point
679[15:11:19:12:48] <+MikeSeth> i see your prediction and raise my one that in 10 minutes i will have a plate full of pasta and chopped pastrami
680[15:11:19:12:48] <+rplasmid> OMDPrebel: seconded
681[15:11:19:12:48] <+coffeeguy> i think elricsfate you should drop it
682[15:11:19:12:48] <+humbot> constantly frequently what is your point?
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684[15:11:19:12:48] <+MikeSeth> hot pasta, that
685[15:11:19:12:48] <+Shentino> !vote list
686[15:11:19:12:49] <+elricsfate> That explains why he was also arguing that accidental copy pastes should be insta-banned
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688[15:11:19:12:49] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, Yeh, I plan too. I'm just putting two and two together.
689[15:11:19:12:49] <+kunwon1> not instabanned
690[15:11:19:12:49] <+kunwon1> permanently banned
691[15:11:19:12:49] <+Shentino> !vote y 726
692[15:11:19:12:49] <+MikeSeth> from the solar system
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694[15:11:19:12:49] <+elricsfate> Thanks for clarifying
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698[15:11:19:12:49] <+MikeSeth> dying light is on sale for $30
699[15:11:19:12:49] <+MikeSeth> will I buy it?
700[15:11:19:12:49] <+MikeSeth> fuck no
701[15:11:19:12:50] <+elricsfate> MikeSeth, It was kind of meh for me
702[15:11:19:12:50] <+kunwon1> i'm still interested in finding out which bounds i've overstepped but i'm guessing that information won't be forthcoming either
703[15:11:19:12:50] <+coffeeguy> i think it's pretty clear that  you don't goto city hall and bitch at  the mayor for doing his job unless you are on equal footing
704[15:11:19:12:50] <+elricsfate> Might just be because I don't like those sort of games anymore.
705[15:11:19:12:50] <+MikeSeth> SEXUAL HARASSMENT
706[15:11:19:12:50] <bugoff> "Doing his job"?
707[15:11:19:12:50] <+Shentino> seconded coffeeguy
708[15:11:19:12:50] <+MikeSeth> PANDA
709[15:11:19:12:50] <+Shentino> besides, you already have the ballot box
710[15:11:19:12:50] <+modulus> i'm already getting banny urges and it hasn't been 5 mins
711[15:11:19:12:50] <+elricsfate> kunwon1, Again, you've quieted people in the past for the most assinine of shit, generally not agreeing with whatever political dogma you're pushing at the time
712[15:11:19:12:50] <+kunwon1> MikeSeth: RIMWORLD
713[15:11:19:12:50] <bugoff> So if I pay somebody $10,000 to kill somebody, that's alright, because the murderer will be "doing his job"?
714[15:11:19:12:50] <+elricsfate> I forget your particular flavor
715[15:11:19:12:50] <+kunwon1> elricsfate: no i haven't
716[15:11:19:12:51] <+modulus> bugoff - it's not alright if they don't do it, is it?
717[15:11:19:12:51] <+MikeSeth> kunwon1: just got my early colony wiped by a bunch of mad boars
718[15:11:19:12:51] <bugoff> modulus: ?
719[15:11:19:12:51] <Dyanisus> test
720[15:11:19:12:51] <+Shentino> bugoff:  that...
721[15:11:19:12:51] <+kunwon1> MikeSeth: that'll do it
722[15:11:19:12:51] <Dyanisus> everybudeeh merican here?
723[15:11:19:12:51] <+Shentino> ...seriously?
724[15:11:19:12:51] <+MikeSeth> kunwon1: it needs moar research
725[15:11:19:12:51] <+kunwon1> Dyanisus: not even close
726[15:11:19:12:51] <+MikeSeth> and moar items
727[15:11:19:12:51] <+modulus> bugoff - never mind, it was a bad joke.
728[15:11:19:12:51] <Dyanisus> any europeans?
729[15:11:19:12:51] <bugoff> I strongly dislike the expression: "They are just doing their job!"
730[15:11:19:12:51] <+kunwon1> MikeSeth: i think it's created entirely by one buy
731[15:11:19:12:51] <+justanotheruser> "NASA discovers evidence of water in california"
732[15:11:19:12:51] <+kunwon1> guy
733[15:11:19:12:51] <+modulus> EU citizen.
734[15:11:19:12:51] <+kunwon1> and he goes a little slow
735[15:11:19:12:51] <bugoff> As if "doing your job" somehow excuses any action for some unknown reason.
736[15:11:19:12:52] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, For someone who was just telling me how investigative journalism is a good thing, it's interesting that you would have that viewpoint
737[15:11:19:12:52] <+coffeeguy> it is isn't it
738[15:11:19:12:52] <+MikeSeth> kunwon1: seems so, but on top of a stock enginge
739[15:11:19:12:52] <+kunwon1> orly
740[15:11:19:12:52] <+kunwon1> i didn't know there was a cots engine under there
741[15:11:19:12:52] <+elricsfate> Because in many cases that's what investigative journalism is used for.
742[15:11:19:12:52] <+MikeSeth> kunwon1: it's Unity
743[15:11:19:12:52] <+CosmicWitch> can we all stop it with the problematic triggering microaggressions
744[15:11:19:12:52] <+kunwon1> i see
745[15:11:19:12:52] <+MikeSeth> kunwon1: I'm pondering writing a cat mod for it
746[15:11:19:12:52] <+modulus> i agree, we should start banning people more.
747[15:11:19:12:52] <+kunwon1> CATS
748[15:11:19:12:53] <+coffeeguy> maybe my metaphore for what you're doing isn't good but you should stop it elricsfate
749[15:11:19:12:53] <OMDPrebel> justanotheruser Last year NASA discovered alien life on Earth in a pond in Nevada. They're good
750[15:11:19:12:53] <+MikeSeth> kunwon1: there's already one, but it's not what i had in mind
751[15:11:19:12:53] <Dyanisus> where is obama?
752[15:11:19:12:53] <+elricsfate> coffeeguy, I've already stopped, it's everyone else that has still continued talking about it.
753[15:11:19:12:53] <+kunwon1> Dyanisus: he's afk
754[15:11:19:12:53] <+modulus> in turkey i think
755[15:11:19:12:53] <Dyanisus> why he sayin no shit...
756[15:11:19:12:53] <+modulus> or maybe he left .tr already
757[15:11:19:12:53] <+elricsfate> He asked how he over stepped his bounds, so I alerted him to it
758[15:11:19:12:53] <+MikeSeth> if i get around to figuring out unity API, the mod will be something like this
759[15:11:19:12:53] <+MikeSeth> cats are only visible at 30% zoom
760[15:11:19:12:54] <+kunwon1> as with most people who accuse me of abuse, all he said was 'you ban people for disagreeing with you' - which i don't - and he doesn't have any examples
761[15:11:19:12:54] <Dyanisus> hasn't he gone to philipenes or something modulus?
762[15:11:19:12:54] <+elricsfate> I've seen him do this to myself and at least a few others in the past. It was pretty clearly being done to quiet someone whose views he didn't agree with (We were in the middle of a political discussion)
763[15:11:19:12:54] <+modulus> oh i think you're right
764[15:11:19:12:54] <Dyanisus> isn't there.... like... some sort of crisis
765[15:11:19:12:54] <+modulus> there was a summit or some shite in manila
766[15:11:19:12:54] <+MikeSeth> if the cat isn't visible or is out of the screen area, it doesn't have to obey pathing and laws of physics
767[15:11:19:12:54] <Dyanisus> with republicans revolting or something
768[15:11:19:12:54] <+elricsfate> kunwon1, You're right, this happened weeks and possibly months ago
769[15:11:19:12:54] <+rplasmid> elricsfate: kunwon has saved this channel from many an idiot
770[15:11:19:12:54] <+elricsfate> My give a fucks do not stretch back that far.
771[15:11:19:12:54] <+rplasmid> In my experience
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773[15:11:19:12:54] <+elricsfate> rplasmid, I do not doubt that
774[15:11:19:12:54] <+coffeeguy> i think views and generally trolling are two different things
775[15:11:19:12:54] <+kunwon1> elricsfate: i know exactly when it happened and i know exactly why it happened, and it was for being a disruptive twat
776[15:11:19:12:55] <+kunwon1> so you can rewrite history as you see fit and i don't care much until you present evidence
777[15:11:19:12:55] <+MikeSeth> coffeeguy: you must be new here
778[15:11:19:12:55] <+rplasmid> ^
779[15:11:19:12:55] <+rplasmid> Good enuf
780[15:11:19:12:55] <OMDPrebel> put it to a vote; Opine has kunwon1 over stepped his bounds. :P
781[15:11:19:12:55] <+rplasmid> Fair enuf
782[15:11:19:12:55] <+coffeeguy> lol MikeSeth
783[15:11:19:12:55] <+CosmicWitch> maybe we should quiet elricsfate
78402[15:11:19:12:55] * +elricsfate shrugs 
785[15:11:19:12:55] <+modulus> disruptive twatness does seem to fit with elricsfate's general behavioural profile.
786[15:11:19:12:55] <+junka> justanotheruser: new song pls
787[15:11:19:12:55] <+modulus> on the whole i find this a likely state of affairs.
788[15:11:19:12:55] <+justanotheruser> junka: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4QGPWLY-EM
789[15:11:19:12:55] <gol> ^ Eiffel 65 - I'm blue with lyrics [03:43]
790[15:11:19:12:55] <+elricsfate> As an authoritarian, I can see why you might feel that way
791[15:11:19:12:56] <+kunwon1> and there are the passive aggressive insults, as predicted
792[15:11:19:12:56] <+CosmicWitch> oh snap!
793[15:11:19:12:56] <+rplasmid> If we didn't go around banning ppl what else would we do?
794[15:11:19:12:56] <+kunwon1> !vote quiet elricsfate
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796[15:11:19:12:56] <+elricsfate> kunwon1, that had nothing to do with you
79715[15:11:19:12:56] * ChanServ sets mode: +o kunwon1
798[15:11:19:12:56] <+elricsfate> That was in reference to modulus
799[15:11:19:12:56] <+coffeeguy> channel policy is never up for debate but with the people who run it , i accept that and discuss current events and oh yah politics lol
800[15:11:19:12:56] <@kunwon1> !vote quiet elricsfate
80115[15:11:19:12:56] * Grallae (~cc1337@104.238.195.66) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
802[15:11:19:12:56] <+CosmicWitch> wat
803[15:11:19:12:56] <+rplasmid> I am in favor of secret ballots
804[15:11:19:12:56] <+CosmicWitch> why aint it workin
805[15:11:19:12:56] <+MikeSeth> here's a non-trolling one
806[15:11:19:12:56] <Dyanisus> aaaaaaaaaaa
807[15:11:19:12:56] <+elricsfate> rplasmid, You can have secret ballots
808[15:11:19:12:56] <@kunwon1> jzk: SPQF (~SPQF@unaffiliated/jzk/bot/spqf): Failed: Vote is not valid: Too many active votes started by you on this channel.
809[15:11:19:12:56] <+elricsfate> I believe you simply message the bot directly
810[15:11:19:12:56] <@kunwon1> this should be bypassed by channel ops
811[15:11:19:12:56] <+rplasmid> I know this
812[15:11:19:12:56] <+CosmicWitch> I will start a vote!
813[15:11:19:12:56] <+modulus> !v quiet elricsfate
81405[15:11:19:12:56] -SPQF:##politics- Voting has started! Issue #727: quiet: elricsfate. You have 120 seconds to vote! Type or PM: !vote y 727 or !vote n 727
815[15:11:19:12:56] <+MikeSeth> the current society is so fucked up I am thinking maybe we should do a total rewrite
81615[15:11:19:12:56] * Cosmicjoker (~Cosmicjok@trivialand/master/cosmicjoker) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
817[15:11:19:12:57] <@kunwon1> !v y 727
818[15:11:19:12:57] <+CosmicWitch> nuuuuuu modulus
81915[15:11:19:12:57] * Voortrekker (~Voor@unaffiliated/voortrekker) Quit (Quit: Bye)
820[15:11:19:12:57] <+CosmicWitch> I wanted to do it :(
82115[15:11:19:12:57] * kunwon1 sets mode: -o kunwon1
822[15:11:19:12:57] <+CosmicWitch> now im sad :c
823[15:11:19:12:57] <+justanotheruser> why quiet now?
824[15:11:19:12:57] <+kunwon1> for being a disruptive twat
825[15:11:19:12:57] <+CosmicWitch> he needs his lumps
826[15:11:19:12:57] <+modulus> CosmicWitch: you get to do it next time
827[15:11:19:12:57] <+CosmicWitch> for disruptive twatiness :D
828[15:11:19:12:57] <+CosmicWitch> okay!!!
829[15:11:19:12:57] <+CosmicWitch> :3
830[15:11:19:12:57] <+justanotheruser> all I see is him saying you are an authoritarian
831[15:11:19:12:57] <OMDPrebel> hmm a quarum of 1
832[15:11:19:12:57] <+coffeeguy> like posting poo links?
833[15:11:19:12:57] <+kunwon1> twattiness or twattishness?
834[15:11:19:12:57] <+MikeSeth> CosmicWitch: you can shout at my balls
835[15:11:19:12:57] <+justanotheruser> !v n 727
836[15:11:19:12:57] <+modulus> twatdom
837[15:11:19:12:57] <+CosmicWitch> I dont like to vote right away
83815[15:11:19:12:57] * LmaoZedong (~LmaoZedon@204.Red-176-86-117.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) Quit
839[15:11:19:12:57] <+kunwon1> lol
840[15:11:19:12:57] <+c|oe> !vote n
841[15:11:19:12:57] <+CosmicWitch> I like to let it linger
842[15:11:19:12:57] <+CosmicWitch> and just take it in
843[15:11:19:12:58] <+MikeSeth> I'll show you testicular manslaughter
844[15:11:19:12:58] <+CosmicWitch> and let the person process some emotions and shit
845[15:11:19:12:58] <OMDPrebel> 119.999 sec and hit enter
846[15:11:19:12:58] <+c|oe> !vote n 727
847[15:11:19:12:58] <+CosmicWitch> !vote y 727
848[15:11:19:12:58] <+CosmicWitch> lots of people seem to be fans of disruptive twats
849[15:11:19:12:58] <+coffeeguy> !vote n 727
85002[15:11:19:12:58] * +modulus takes note of names
851[15:11:19:12:58] <+coffeeguy> !vote y 727
852[15:11:19:12:58] <+kunwon1> jzk: also, the !vote <votenumber> command doesn't work in PM
853[15:11:19:12:58] <+modulus> :-)
854[15:11:19:12:58] <+coffeeguy> lol
855[15:11:19:12:58] <+c|oe> bomb Spain.
85605[15:11:19:12:58] -SPQF:##politics- #727: The yeas have it. Yeas: 6. Nays: 2.
85715[15:11:19:12:58] * ChanServ sets mode: +q *!*@nat/hp/x-kzvkmxfgkejrbrty
85815[15:11:19:12:58] * ChanServ sets mode: +q-v $a:elricsfate elricsfate
859[15:11:19:12:58] <OMDPrebel> Not a fan but hardly ever agree with censoring
860[15:11:19:12:59] <+CosmicWitch> its always the same couple of people that are disruptive themselves
861[15:11:19:12:59] <+rplasmid> Secret ballot ftw
862[15:11:19:12:59] <+CosmicWitch> isn't that funny how they stick together
863[15:11:19:12:59] <+CosmicWitch> haha damn dude
864[15:11:19:12:59] <+MikeSeth> dat's right
865[15:11:19:12:59] <+MikeSeth> I have a disruptor ray
866[15:11:19:12:59] <+kunwon1> there's no secret ballot: type !vote 727
867[15:11:19:12:59] <+CosmicWitch> like 2-3 people voted in secret to shut him up
868[15:11:19:12:59] <+modulus> accountability 4eva
869[15:11:19:12:59] <Dyanisus> !vote 727
870[15:11:19:12:59] <+rplasmid> !vote 727
871[15:11:19:12:59] <+CosmicWitch> I want him to know to his face that I voted to silence him :3
872[15:11:19:12:59] <Dyanisus> everybuddy can vote?
873[15:11:19:12:59] <+rplasmid> Hahahaha
874[15:11:19:12:59] <+kunwon1> Dyanisus: no
875[15:11:19:12:59] <Dyanisus> that would actoually be cool
876[15:11:19:12:59] <+CosmicWitch> !vote 727
877[15:11:19:12:59] <+kunwon1> Dyanisus: only voiced people
878[15:11:19:12:59] <Dyanisus> why only mods vote?
879[15:11:19:12:59] <+kunwon1> !vote 727
880[15:11:19:12:59] <+lupine> fite me bro
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882[15:11:19:12:59] <Dyanisus> EVERYBUDDEEE VOTE
883[15:11:19:13:00] <Dyanisus> democracy innit
884[15:11:19:13:00] <+CosmicWitch> good god the bot spams ur ass
885[15:11:19:13:00] <Dyanisus> we didnt elect the mods.........
886[15:11:19:13:00] <+humbot> !vote 727
887[15:11:19:13:00] <+modulus> CosmicWitch: i was just commenting on that
888[15:11:19:13:00] <+rplasmid> Lol speaker of the house
889[15:11:19:13:00] <+coffeeguy> you have a mean streak
890[15:11:19:13:00] <+coffeeguy> !vote 727
891[15:11:19:13:00] <+modulus> it presents the info on 7 trillion notices
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893[15:11:19:13:00] <+kunwon1> Dyanisus: you don't need to be a mod, you need to be voiced
894[15:11:19:13:00] <OMDPrebel> Dyanisus it's a Dictatorship Democracy Oligarchy for intellectual elitists with egos
895[15:11:19:13:00] <+kunwon1> aka enfranchised
896[15:11:19:13:00] <+c|oe> And u have to get in good with right ppl to get voice.  Because contrary to what the sign says...this is -not- a democracy.
897[15:11:19:13:00] <Dyanisus> lol
898[15:11:19:13:00] <+CosmicWitch> you need to own digital property
899[15:11:19:13:00] <Dyanisus> can I be a landowner with voting rits here pls?
900[15:11:19:13:00] <+kunwon1> c|oe: incorrect
901[15:11:19:13:00] <+CosmicWitch> to have voting rights here
902[15:11:19:13:00] <+MikeSeth> it's a "top kek" democracy
90302[15:11:19:13:01] * +MikeSeth pets c|oe 
904[15:11:19:13:01] <+kunwon1> all you need to get voice is votes
905[15:11:19:13:01] <+MikeSeth> i'm so bored
906[15:11:19:13:01] <Dyanisus> !votes to give meeeh voice
907[15:11:19:13:01] <+c|oe> purrr.
908[15:11:19:13:01] <+rplasmid> Its like a cabal
909[15:11:19:13:01] <+lupine> it is like the worst of everything
910[15:11:19:13:01] <+modulus> MikeSeth: try cawk
911[15:11:19:13:01] <+kunwon1> and i'll start a vote to enfranchise anyone as long as i'm convinced they aren't a sockpuppet
912[15:11:19:13:01] <+CosmicWitch> you just need like 4 people to vote yes for you
913[15:11:19:13:01] <+CosmicWitch> to get voice
914[15:11:19:13:01] <Dyanisus> ! people vote yes for me voice
915[15:11:19:13:01] <+MikeSeth> modulus: but then it's cock all the way all day every day
916[15:11:19:13:01] <+CosmicWitch> no dramatics about beingt in with the right people are required
917[15:11:19:13:01] <+rplasmid> Also no ppl to say no
918[15:11:19:13:01] <Dyanisus> I promise ima do everything u want
919[15:11:19:13:01] <+kunwon1> Dyanisus: give it a week or two so more people know who you are
920[15:11:19:13:01] <+modulus> MikeSeth: yeah but cawk is pretty nice
921[15:11:19:13:02] <+modulus> go for it man
922[15:11:19:13:02] <+CosmicWitch> yeah participate a bit and you will probably get it
923[15:11:19:13:02] <+CosmicWitch> !vote list
924[15:11:19:13:02] <+CosmicWitch> !v y 724
925[15:11:19:13:02] <Dyanisus> I, was, like sorta joking
926[15:11:19:13:02] <+CosmicWitch> :D
927[15:11:19:13:02] <+MikeSeth> okay okay
928[15:11:19:13:02] <+lupine> modulus: speaking of, did you hear that yubico have a PIV tool?
929[15:11:19:13:02] <Dyanisus> why isn't the vote open to all?
93002[15:11:19:13:02] * +MikeSeth looks around for homos
931[15:11:19:13:02] <Dyanisus> i really like the voting tho
932[15:11:19:13:02] <+kunwon1> Dyanisus: because sockpuppets
933[15:11:19:13:02] <+modulus> lupine: a ... PIV ... tool?
934[15:11:19:13:02] <Dyanisus> its pretty novel
935[15:11:19:13:02] <+humbot> !list
936[15:11:19:13:02] <+modulus> do i want to know this?
937[15:11:19:13:02] <+CosmicWitch> you could just bring bots in here
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939[15:11:19:13:03] <+MikeSeth> lupine: do you know if it requires a particular firmware #?
940[15:11:19:13:03] <+MikeSeth> it's kind of nice
941[15:11:19:13:03] <+CosmicWitch> if they opened it to everyone I bet like 20 bots would join
942[15:11:19:13:03] <+CosmicWitch> and all of a sudden people that never talk would be voting
943[15:11:19:13:03] <+kunwon1> we already have more than 20 bots in here
944[15:11:19:13:03] <Dyanisus> but isnt that same as foting fraud?
945[15:11:19:13:03] <Dyanisus> voting*
946[15:11:19:13:03] <+kunwon1> Dyanisus: yes, that's the point
947[15:11:19:13:03] <+modulus> yeah and that's why we keep it this way
948[15:11:19:13:03] <+modulus> to avoid fraud
949[15:11:19:13:03] <Dyanisus> you dont deny real humans a vote cus others may defraud it
950[15:11:19:13:03] <+kunwon1> prevention is better than reaction
951[15:11:19:13:03] <+modulus> we do
952[15:11:19:13:03] <+kunwon1> yes we do
953[15:11:19:13:03] <+modulus> because we're like that
954[15:11:19:13:04] <+lupine> yeah, it helps out with PIV
955[15:11:19:13:04] <Dyanisus> well, I'm speaking from principles
956[15:11:19:13:04] <+coffeeguy> and this is irc which is the wildwest of the interwebs
957[15:11:19:13:04] <+kunwon1> and part of the enfranchisement process is establishing that you're a real human
958[15:11:19:13:04] <+modulus> lupine: unicode helps out with PIV
959[15:11:19:13:04] <+modulus> this sounds very strange
960[15:11:19:13:04] <Dyanisus> like, its like gov saying only those we approve can vote cus otherwise voting fraud
961[15:11:19:13:04] <+lupine> yubico != unicode
962[15:11:19:13:04] <+CosmicWitch> Point In View
963[15:11:19:13:04] <+CosmicWitch> is that what PIV means?
964[15:11:19:13:04] <+CosmicWitch> or liek a Pentium IV?
965[15:11:19:13:04] <+kunwon1> penis in vagina
966[15:11:19:13:04] <+lupine> yubico make yubikeys
967[15:11:19:13:04] <+coffeeguy> lol sure
968[15:11:19:13:04] <+CosmicWitch> x3
969[15:11:19:13:04] <+modulus> penis in vagina
970[15:11:19:13:04] <+coffeeguy> oh heheeh
971[15:11:19:13:05] <+modulus> lupine: oh misheard - thought you were saying unicode
972[15:11:19:13:05] <jiggawattz> kunwon1 ➤ sup bro
973[15:11:19:13:05] <jiggawattz> P in the V
974[15:11:19:13:05] <Dyanisus> well, does anybudee deny I'm a real human?
975[15:11:19:13:05] <jiggawattz> w0000000
976[15:11:19:13:05] <+kunwon1> speaking of sockpuppets
977[15:11:19:13:05] <Dyanisus> I mean can a bot speak like diz?
978[15:11:19:13:05] <+kunwon1> Dyanisus: yes
979[15:11:19:13:05] <+CosmicWitch> PIV VIPs
980[15:11:19:13:05] <+modulus> you're a real human but who knows if you're a real human that already ahs a nick
981[15:11:19:13:05] <+CosmicWitch> :D
982[15:11:19:13:05] <+coffeeguy> speak of the sockpuppet and the sockpuppet appears
983[15:11:19:13:05] <Dyanisus> course I hve a nick
984[15:11:19:13:05] <Dyanisus> see
985[15:11:19:13:05] <Dyanisus> I even do typoos
98602[15:11:19:13:06] * +kunwon1 afk
987[15:11:19:13:06] <Dyanisus> can a bot do that?
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989[15:11:19:13:06] <Dyanisus> so if you gone ave a vot do it properly
990[15:11:19:13:06] <+humbot> this is something justanotheruser might find funny
991[15:11:19:13:06] <+coffeeguy> i shouldn't say but i use socks for tasks related to my libido
992[15:11:19:13:06] <Dyanisus> give it to everyone who seems like a human....
993[15:11:19:13:06] <+rplasmid> No
994[15:11:19:13:06] <+modulus> http://mashable.com/2015/11/19/asda-whisky-substituted-order/#cDTxUXckk05T
995[15:11:19:13:06] <+CosmicWitch> growing the voting pool slowly is a better idea
996[15:11:19:13:06] <+CosmicWitch> so if problems come up you dont have 100 new suspects
997[15:11:19:13:07] <gol> ^ British shop runs out of baby wipes, delivers wildly inappropriate replacement
998[15:11:19:13:07] <+rplasmid> I disagree
999[15:11:19:13:07] <Dyanisus> CosmicWitch: honestly I really like the voting
1000[15:11:19:13:07] <+kish> did they deliver
1001[15:11:19:13:07] <+mrdata_> Dyanisus: bots might try to convince us theyre human
1002[15:11:19:13:07] <+kish> cum wipes?
1003[15:11:19:13:07] <OMDPrebel> better yet, create a poll tax in btc to vote. All problems solved.
1004[15:11:19:13:07] <Dyanisus> but truly, there is no real reason to not extend it to everyone
1005[15:11:19:13:07] <+rplasmid> When is jzk putting the op powers up to vote
1006[15:11:19:13:07] <Dyanisus> everyone who seems human
1007[15:11:19:13:07] <+mrdata_> no
1008[15:11:19:13:07] <+rplasmid> Dyanisus: you must be new
1009[15:11:19:13:08] <Dyanisus> obviously not every nick who comes in the room needs to be entitled to vote
1010[15:11:19:13:08] <+rplasmid> Irc is full of crazy people
1011[15:11:19:13:08] <+modulus> rplasmid: probably never
1012[15:11:19:13:08] <+kish> rioght
1013[15:11:19:13:08] <Dyanisus> but as soon as they show themself to be human voting rights should be extended to them no?
1014[15:11:19:13:08] <+rplasmid> Figures
1015[15:11:19:13:08] <+kish> it's not even neded
1016[15:11:19:13:08] <Dyanisus> and if no, why not?
1017[15:11:19:13:08] <+kish> that everyone needs a +v
1018[15:11:19:13:08] <+kish> why the fuck they need it for
1019[15:11:19:13:08] <+kish> we have enough
1020[15:11:19:13:08] <+mrdata_> Dyanisus: if you can show you are not disruptive and make good comments, ontopic, referenced, then there is no reason you will be denied enfranchisement;
1021[15:11:19:13:08] <+mrdata_> after about 40 hours
1022[15:11:19:13:09] <Dyanisus> mrdata_: that's like an IQ test to vote in real life
1023[15:11:19:13:09] <+rplasmid> mrdata_: that's the less cynical view of the criteria
1024[15:11:19:13:09] <Dyanisus> ebery human has a right to a vote
1025[15:11:19:13:09] <Dyanisus> however dum
1026[15:11:19:13:09] <Dyanisus> or disrputive etc
1027[15:11:19:13:09] <Dyanisus> even prisoners have the right
1028[15:11:19:13:09] <+lupine> variable
1029[15:11:19:13:10] <+lupine> communities make their own rules. this community has made its
1030[15:11:19:13:10] <+rplasmid> Democracy doesn't work well without an educated polity
1031[15:11:19:13:10] <+coffeeguy> http://mashable.com/2015/11/18/donald-trump-adele/#8XKIcMoWfmqJ  and in the lighter side of wtf
1032[15:11:19:13:10] <gol> ^ People booed when Donald Trump arrived at the Adele concert
1033[15:11:19:13:10] <Dyanisus> sure, but presumably we can improve them?
1034[15:11:19:13:10] <Dyanisus> personally I would love it
1035[15:11:19:13:10] <+lupine> as a non-member in any sense, why would you expect to be listened to?
1036[15:11:19:13:10] <Dyanisus> if some irc channel had some real voting democracy in mod actions
1037[15:11:19:13:10] <Dyanisus> that would be brand new stuff
1038[15:11:19:13:10] <Dyanisus> and totes awsome
1039[15:11:19:13:11] <+coffeeguy> impratical
1040[15:11:19:13:11] <Dyanisus> why?
1041[15:11:19:13:11] <+modulus> i should go do stuff
1042[15:11:19:13:11] <+rplasmid> Liable to takeover
1043[15:11:19:13:11] <+humbot> it's been done
104402[15:11:19:13:11] * +modulus disappears in a puff of dialectical materialism
1045[15:11:19:13:11] <+rplasmid> Unstable
1046[15:11:19:13:11] <+coffeeguy> cause irc is too anyomous too many loopholes to disrupt debate
1047[15:11:19:13:11] <Dyanisus> rplasmid: only if the takeoverers have more real humans than the rest
1048[15:11:19:13:11] <OMDPrebel> Dyanisus because only one can get the +F, there can only be one.
1049[15:11:19:13:11] <+rplasmid> modulus: haven't you read enough of that
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1051[15:11:19:13:11] <+modulus> never
1052[15:11:19:13:12] <+mrdata_> Dyanisus: no not every human has the right to vote. you have to be an adult, and you  have to have a stake in the jurisdiction where you are voting, to be eligible: ie you must be a resident
1053[15:11:19:13:12] <Dyanisus> it's been tried before?
105402[15:11:19:13:12] * +rplasmid closes eyes
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1056[15:11:19:13:12] <+mrdata_> Dyanisus: so sit back and relax because excessive compaigning might hurt your chances
1057[15:11:19:13:12] <OMDPrebel> You have a right to vote. You don't have a right to have your vote counted.
1058[15:11:19:13:13] <Dyanisus> I'm not campagning, don't really care
1059[15:11:19:13:13] <Dyanisus> just, like, chatting....
1060[15:11:19:13:13] <Dyanisus> cus it seems reasonable to me, I mean obviously maybe it aint...
1061[15:11:19:13:13] <+lupine> all this meta stuff is just dull
106202[15:11:19:13:13] * +xeno went out his door this morning, and ran into ~20 police cars/buses, ambulances and fire trucks, a bunch of police and a full swat team about to storm a building
1063[15:11:19:13:13] <+xeno> turned out to be an exercise
1064[15:11:19:13:13] <+mrdata_> nice
1065[15:11:19:13:13] <+xeno> (was about 100 meters from my door)
1066[15:11:19:13:14] <Dyanisus> I'd rather chat about obama and how he comes across as weak
1067[15:11:19:13:14] <Dyanisus> like... compared to putin
1068[15:11:19:13:14] <+xeno> the signs stating it was an exercise was on the other side of the mess though, so didn't know it before I'd passed through it
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1070[15:11:19:13:14] <+lupine> marginally less dull, but in the end it's just personality shit
1071[15:11:19:13:14] <+xeno> Dyanisus: they have different goals
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1073[15:11:19:13:15] <+lupine> they're not actually going to have to fight it out
1074[15:11:19:13:15] <+mrdata_> xeno: i might tend to avoid the area, just in case
1075[15:11:19:13:15] <Dyanisus> obama, just, they were right about him at the begining, he dont ave any experience
1076[15:11:19:13:15] <+lupine> woo, coffee
1077[15:11:19:13:15] <+xeno> Dyanisus: for Putin, getting stability and having an ally in Syria is imperative for their trade routes
1078[15:11:19:13:15] <Samian> I hate it when someone tries to diminish the difference between two very different statements by saying that the symbols do not differ much
1079[15:11:19:13:15] <+xeno> Dyanisus: for the US, the current mess is reasonably good
1080[15:11:19:13:15] <Dyanisus> it's their aim no?
1081[15:11:19:13:16] <OMDPrebel> I just want to know how he got his Nobel Peace Prize. Can I order one too?
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1083[15:11:19:13:16] <Dyanisus> duno why they let it be a mess
1084[15:11:19:13:16] <Dyanisus> rather than colonise the stuff...
1085[15:11:19:13:16] <Samian> as though the proposition that the sentences look similar is proof that they stand for similar ideas
1086[15:11:19:13:16] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it's good for them that it is a mess
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1088[15:11:19:13:16] <Samian> yeah $1000.00 isn't much different from $100000.00
1089[15:11:19:13:16] <Dyanisus> it's not good for them when civil war is provoked in their own nations
1090[15:11:19:13:16] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it's not worth colonizing, by leaving it a mess they keep everyone around it occupied, and they prevent the area to support large scale world trade
1091[15:11:19:13:16] <Dyanisus> thats... like.... existentially threatening
1092[15:11:19:13:17] <+xeno> Dyanisus: not good for Syria, but good for the US
1093[15:11:19:13:17] <+Caelum> uh oh, wikipedia is asking for money again, and I just gave them money like a month ago
1094[15:11:19:13:17] <+justanotheruser> they do that
1095[15:11:19:13:17] <Dyanisus> xeno, france is on martial law
1096[15:11:19:13:17] <Dyanisus> how is that good?
1097[15:11:19:13:17] <Dyanisus> 5k bullets shot in their streets
1098[15:11:19:13:17] <Dyanisus> that's existential stuff
1099[15:11:19:13:17] <Dyanisus> in my view
1100[15:11:19:13:17] <+xeno> Dyanisus: the main goal of US is to maintain world trade dominance, and the main way to do that (except for handling the actual trading) is to prevent any competition from building up
1101[15:11:19:13:17] <Dyanisus> obama is just weak
1102[15:11:19:13:17] <m4221|phone> Dyanisus: just now?
1103[15:11:19:13:18] <OMDPrebel> Nah just bad aiming. They don't have a lot of practicd.
1104[15:11:19:13:18] <Dyanisus> m4221|phone: yesterday I think
1105[15:11:19:13:18] <Dyanisus> when they killed the ringleader or something
1106[15:11:19:13:18] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it's not existential stuff
1107[15:11:19:13:18] <Dyanisus> xeno: it is in europe
1108[15:11:19:13:18] <+lupine> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/19/moment-changed-me-nhs-bone-marrow-transplant-sheffield
1109[15:11:19:13:18] <gol> ^ A moment that changed me – when I decided to repay the NHS | Andrew Davies | Comment is free | The Guardian
1110[15:11:19:13:18] <Dyanisus> the extrimists are trying to provoke a civil war
1111[15:11:19:13:18] <+xeno> Dyanisus: 5000 bullets are not gonna kill France, and if it did, it would not harm the US
1112[15:11:19:13:18] <+lupine> this little shit-for-brains
1113[15:11:19:13:18] <+xeno> Dyanisus: there's not gonna be a French civil war
1114[15:11:19:13:18] <m4221|phone> Dyanisus: I just saw something about that on CNN
1115[15:11:19:13:18] <Dyanisus> well...
1116[15:11:19:13:19] <Dyanisus> the french parliament sang... wake up young men, form your battalion, march on march on
1117[15:11:19:13:19] <Dyanisus> thats.........
1118[15:11:19:13:19] <Dyanisus> another attack and....
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1120[15:11:19:13:19] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it's not a foreign thought that WW2 was in the US' best interest
1121[15:11:19:13:19] <Dyanisus> plus french politicians have said they trying to provoke a civil war
1122[15:11:19:13:19] <+justanotheruser> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/12003798/Woman-named-Isis-has-Facebook-account-suspended.html
1123[15:11:19:13:19] <gol> ^ Woman named Isis has Facebook account suspended - Telegraph
1124[15:11:19:13:19] <+xeno> Dyanisus: politicians say whatever can further their career
1125[15:11:19:13:20] <Dyanisus> xeno the mood in europe is dangerous in my view
1126[15:11:19:13:20] <+xeno> or whatever they feel their people need (so that the people will like them and further their career)
1127[15:11:19:13:20] <Dyanisus> and obama comes accross as weak
1128[15:11:19:13:20] <Dyanisus> I supported him when he got elected
1129[15:11:19:13:20] <+xeno> Dyanisus: well, Obama is the president of the US, not the EU
1130[15:11:19:13:20] <Dyanisus> was against the iraq war
1131[15:11:19:13:20] <Dyanisus> but right now I want some real action to protect liberty because I can see the nativs being dangerously radicalised
1132[15:11:19:13:21] <OMDPrebel> Civil War is an unusaly phrase implying a non-violent war. Propose to rename it to something cool depending on country: Pastry War for France
1133[15:11:19:13:21] <Dyanisus> you guys think trump might win? :P
1134[15:11:19:13:22] <+Caelum> Dyanisus: I doubt it, but it would be some hilarious if he did
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1136[15:11:19:13:22] <Dyanisus> I feel he only one who can stand up to putin and show some resolve, but I aint in merica, don't really know
1137[15:11:19:13:22] <m4221|phone> Trump scares me
1138[15:11:19:13:22] <+Caelum> putin is not seeking a confrontation with the US
1139[15:11:19:13:22] <m4221|phone> He says stuff another world leader said in history
1140[15:11:19:13:22] <Dyanisus> well, trump is obviously smart, I mean he made billions
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1142[15:11:19:13:23] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it's hard to say - he's completely unsuitable, to the evil clown villain level - but then again, GWB got re-elected, so there's no bottom of the barrel...
1143[15:11:19:13:23] <uberdub> trump is my lord and saviour
1144[15:11:19:13:23] <m4221|phone> You all can guess which 20th century European leader
1145[15:11:19:13:23] <+Caelum> I will vote for rubber ducky
1146[15:11:19:13:23] <OMDPrebel> Well getting a Million Dollar loan from Daddy and then inheriting millions doesn't hurt to start a sucessful business. Carson at least worked his ass off for his 25 million
1147[15:11:19:13:23] <+justanotheruser> trump is everyones lord, it is only a matter of whether or not they will acknowledge it
1148[15:11:19:13:24] <+xeno> Trump is like, every time you think "what's the stupidest crappiest thing anyone could possibly say in this situation", and then Trump says something worse
1149[15:11:19:13:24] <BigRonnieRon> Obama wasn't suited to be president either. I think PPACA was good, but let's not kid ourselves he was about on par with Carter
115002[15:11:19:13:24] * m4221|phone puts on tinfoil hat
1151[15:11:19:13:25] <BigRonnieRon> The last President that was moderately intelligent and knew what WTF was going on was probably Nixon.
1152[15:11:19:13:25] <+Caelum> yeah obama is not going to be in the history books as greatest president
1153[15:11:19:13:25] <+xeno> and his political vision seems to be non-existing. He has no answers to anything, the only vision he can give is "I will make America great again, cause I'm smart and everyone else are stupid"
1154[15:11:19:13:25] <m4221|phone> I think Trump says stuff analogous to Hitler
1155[15:11:19:13:25] <BigRonnieRon> Not really.
1156[15:11:19:13:25] <Dyanisus> well I'd hate it if merica chose jed bush
1157[15:11:19:13:25] <+xeno> more analogues to Charlie Sheen than Hitler
1158[15:11:19:13:25] <OMDPrebel> HIs community organizing skills are lacking too judging from the looks of Chicago
1159[15:11:19:13:25] <Dyanisus> everytime I hear bush I wanna throw up
1160[15:11:19:13:25] <+xeno> or Cartman
1161[15:11:19:13:25] <BigRonnieRon> Hitler was economically speaking, far more liberal, and had good healthcare policies.
1162[15:11:19:13:25] <m4221|phone> National pride can be dangerous
1163[15:11:19:13:26] <+Caelum> BigRonnieRon: lol
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1165[15:11:19:13:26] <BigRonnieRon> Trump et al, are planning to let wolves eat the weak outside hospital facilities in low income neighborhoods
1166[15:11:19:13:26] <Dyanisus> so that only leaves clinton
1167[15:11:19:13:26] <Dyanisus> some robot woman...
1168[15:11:19:13:26] <m4221|phone> Dyanisus: nuckular :P
1169[15:11:19:13:26] <BigRonnieRon> Clinton's awful
1170[15:11:19:13:26] <Dyanisus> and I can't see clinton standing up to putin
1171[15:11:19:13:26] <OMDPrebel> But hey, he speaks well and rationalizes his way to paying for refrigerators in the antartic
1172[15:11:19:13:26] <Dyanisus> or the terrists
1173[15:11:19:13:26] <+MikeSeth> that was a good plate of pasta
1174[15:11:19:13:26] <Dyanisus> she'd break up in tears and surrender or something
1175[15:11:19:13:26] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: he's not planning that, he just says so because he think he will get votes from anything... it doesn't seem that he has more plans than to try and get elected
1176[15:11:19:13:26] <+Caelum> Dyanisus: nah she is a tough bitch
1177[15:11:19:13:27] <m4221|phone> Hey, don't blame me, I voted for Gary Johnson
1178[15:11:19:13:27] <+Caelum> Dyanisus: she's kinda like merkel in that sense
1179[15:11:19:13:27] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: ...or at least enjoy the spotlight on his way
1180[15:11:19:13:27] <m4221|phone> Trump just wants camera time
1181[15:11:19:13:27] <BigRonnieRon> xeno: practically everyone the GOP is running now are Laissez faire capitalists
1182[15:11:19:13:27] <Dyanisus> Caelum: didnt she resign from secretary of state cus she couldnt handle it?
1183[15:11:19:13:27] <Dyanisus> she can't resign from president.....
1184[15:11:19:13:27] <+junka> justanotheruser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y33FzCXxq_c
1185[15:11:19:13:27] <gol> ^ Ellie Goulding - On My Mind (Jax Jones Remix / Audio) [03:49]
1186[15:11:19:13:27] <Pazooza> You can't stump the Trump.
1187[15:11:19:13:27] <+Caelum> Dyanisus: she resigned so she could run for president really
1188[15:11:19:13:28] <+Hoffman> hi
1189[15:11:19:13:28] <+Hoffman> hihi
1190[15:11:19:13:28] <Dyanisus> well, Caelum, what's her solution to these terrists?
1191[15:11:19:13:28] <BigRonnieRon> I give it about 10 years until they advocate making the bottom 10% into Soylent Green
1192[15:11:19:13:28] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: yah, and Trump operates like that too, but he's probably just a psychopathic clown hunting attention
1193[15:11:19:13:28] <Dyanisus> I hear her say she gone do what obama...
1194[15:11:19:13:28] <OMDPrebel> "Tom Brady says: Trump knows how to win." ~ Trump
1195[15:11:19:13:28] <OMDPrebel> He's good at advertising.
1196[15:11:19:13:28] <Dyanisus> which means... appeasing
1197[15:11:19:13:28] <BigRonnieRon> They're all terrible, tbf
1198[15:11:19:13:28] <Dyanisus> we want peace why cant you terrists just peace us waaaaa
1199[15:11:19:13:29] <+Caelum> BigRonnieRon: they have already found human DNA in hot dogs
1200[15:11:19:13:29] <+Caelum> BigRonnieRon: we are well on our way
1201[15:11:19:13:29] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: I wouldn't be sure he even know what laissez faire capitalism is, and if he does it's not because he actually care
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1203[15:11:19:13:29] <+mrdata_> Dyanisus: i'm sure the terrorists will shower you with kittens
1204[15:11:19:13:29] <+mrdata_> who will have murder in their eyes
1205[15:11:19:13:29] <Dyanisus> you guys know owen?
1206[15:11:19:13:29] <+Hoffman> the bottom 10% should be happy to be made into soylent green
1207[15:11:19:13:29] <+Hoffman> its a democracy
1208[15:11:19:13:30] <Dyanisus> some leftist guy here in UK
1209[15:11:19:13:30] <+Hoffman> and they have the lowest economic value
1210[15:11:19:13:30] <+Hoffman> so of course, they'd just volunteer for it
1211[15:11:19:13:30] <Dyanisus> we gotta show humanity to the bullets these guys are showering us with lol
1212[15:11:19:13:30] <+Hoffman> being smart economists
1213[15:11:19:13:30] <BigRonnieRon> Sanders is weak and ineffectual. Clinton just wants to get elected despite doing a terrible job at everything and committing about a felony a week. Trump and Carson are both nutballs and America hates the establishment GOP so they're all out.
1214[15:11:19:13:30] <OMDPrebel> No worries Rainbow brdiges and moats of chocolate will keep the barbarians at the gate.
1215[15:11:19:13:30] <Dyanisus> if we could only show sum luuuveeee
1216[15:11:19:13:30] <BigRonnieRon> I mean they're politicians, nothing new.
1217[15:11:19:13:30] <uberdub> hard to peace someone who is killing your women, and children, and bombing your homelands.
1218[15:11:19:13:30] <Dyanisus> dai wouldnt want a caliphate anymore
1219[15:11:19:13:30] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: I'm not being showered with bullts
1220[15:11:19:13:30] <+Hoffman> bullets
1221[15:11:19:13:30] <+lupine> I'll take a guess on baroness howe
1222[15:11:19:13:30] <Dyanisus> well, the parisians are
1223[15:11:19:13:30] <+Hoffman> so let paris take care of it
1224[15:11:19:13:30] <uberdub> one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
1225[15:11:19:13:30] <Dyanisus> and we stood by you when your towers came down!
1226[15:11:19:13:31] <+Hoffman> we stand by you too
1227[15:11:19:13:31] <+Caelum> Dyanisus: hillary is actually very anti-putin, and that worries me
1228[15:11:19:13:31] <+Hoffman> but, you know
1229[15:11:19:13:31] <+Hoffman> you do the killing
1230[15:11:19:13:31] <+Hoffman> and bombin
1231[15:11:19:13:31] <+Hoffman> we'll be there for moral support
1232[15:11:19:13:31] <+mrdata_> uberdub: i tend to think there is a distinction
1233[15:11:19:13:31] <Dyanisus> Hoffman: we might
1234[15:11:19:13:31] <+Hoffman> and hey
1235[15:11:19:13:31] <Dyanisus> but then your power would go down down down
1236[15:11:19:13:31] <uberdub> distinction?
1237[15:11:19:13:31] <+mrdata_> uberdub: it is asymmetric warfare tho
1238[15:11:19:13:31] <+Hoffman> we have col boms you can buy
1239[15:11:19:13:31] <BigRonnieRon> She should be. We're in another cold war
1240[15:11:19:13:31] <+Hoffman> cool bombs*
1241[15:11:19:13:31] <Dyanisus> as we become equals
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1243[15:11:19:13:31] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: yawn
1244[15:11:19:13:31] <Dyanisus> and maybe think of turning around and making you our bitch as you do us right now
1245[15:11:19:13:31] <+Hoffman> yeah okay
1246[15:11:19:13:32] <Dyanisus> we are, afterall, as a union, the richest
1247[15:11:19:13:32] <+Hoffman> you do that
1248[15:11:19:13:32] <+mrdata_> uberdub: rebels attack military targets; terrorists attack civilians
1249[15:11:19:13:32] <uberdub> lol
1250[15:11:19:13:32] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: idgaf
1251[15:11:19:13:32] <uberdub> lol
1252[15:11:19:13:32] <uberdub> lol
1253[15:11:19:13:32] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: just fix the problem
1254[15:11:19:13:32] <uberdub> so american military are terrorists then?
1255[15:11:19:13:32] <Dyanisus> problem you caused
1256[15:11:19:13:32] <Dyanisus> with your iraq rubish
1257[15:11:19:13:32] <+Hoffman> negatory
1258[15:11:19:13:32] <+Hoffman> assad caused it
1259[15:11:19:13:32] <Levite> sanders demonizing yacht owners right now, isis threatening to blow up white house
1260[15:11:19:13:32] <Levite> interesting times
1261[15:11:19:13:32] <uberdub> cause we killed more civilian than all of them combined
1262[15:11:19:13:32] <Dyanisus> we stand united Hoffman
1263[15:11:19:13:32] <+lupine> yeah. that's pretty hilarious
1264[15:11:19:13:33] <Dyanisus> this is the western alliance
1265[15:11:19:13:33] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: yep
1266[15:11:19:13:33] <+Hoffman> we will stand with you
1267[15:11:19:13:33] <Dyanisus> the freedum lovin ppl
1268[15:11:19:13:33] <+Hoffman> but, you know
1269[15:11:19:13:33] <+Hoffman> you do the work
1270[15:11:19:13:33] <+mrdata_> uberdub: our targets are not the civilians
1271[15:11:19:13:33] <+Hoffman> its your turn
1272[15:11:19:13:33] <Dyanisus> that's obama
1273[15:11:19:13:33] <Dyanisus> WEAK
1274[15:11:19:13:33] <+Hoffman> yawn
1275[15:11:19:13:33] <Dyanisus> appeaser
1276[15:11:19:13:33] <Dyanisus> with your paper
1277[15:11:19:13:33] <+Hoffman> not my problem
1278[15:11:19:13:33] <Dyanisus> we secured freedum
1279[15:11:19:13:33] <Dyanisus> just show em some luvvv lol
1280[15:11:19:13:33] <+Hoffman> I'd rather my money be spent on domestic issues
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1282[15:11:19:13:34] <+Hoffman> ISIS is a bigger threat to you than me
1283[15:11:19:13:34] <Dyanisus> the terrorists would rather not
1284[15:11:19:13:34] <+Hoffman> that makes it your problem
1285[15:11:19:13:34] <Dyanisus> what you gone do about it?
1286[15:11:19:13:34] <+Hoffman> wait for you to fix it
1287[15:11:19:13:34] <Dyanisus> no it aint
1288[15:11:19:13:34] <uberdub> please
1289[15:11:19:13:34] <Dyanisus> the terrists blew up your towers
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1291[15:11:19:13:34] <+lupine> (actually a rope loop, like a lasso, mostly used for hanging people)
1292[15:11:19:13:34] <Dyanisus> how can you say its an EU problem?
1293[15:11:19:13:34] <+lupine> fuck's sake
1294[15:11:19:13:34] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: and theyre dead
1295[15:11:19:13:34] <Dyanisus> the biggest terrists attack in eruope is 129 ppl ded
1296[15:11:19:13:34] <uberdub> "our target"
1297[15:11:19:13:34] <+mrdata_> uberdub: tho i acknowledge justification for drone strikes is on thin ice due to collatoral damage, the civilians are not the targets
1298[15:11:19:13:34] <uberdub> lol
1299[15:11:19:13:34] <Dyanisus> thats, like, insignifacnt almost to 2k ded in US
1300[15:11:19:13:35] <Dyanisus> 3k*
1301[15:11:19:13:35] <+Hoffman> ok
1302[15:11:19:13:35] <+Hoffman> so we got attacked
1303[15:11:19:13:35] <+Hoffman> we had a war
1304[15:11:19:13:35] <+Hoffman> war endd
1305[15:11:19:13:35] <+Hoffman> your turn
1306[15:11:19:13:35] <uberdub> I dont think we have much clue who the targets are, nor do we care much
1307[15:11:19:13:35] <+Hoffman> ready go
1308[15:11:19:13:35] <+xeno> Dyanisus: well, first of all, it's the biggest in... 10'ish years, the Spanish train bombing was worse
1309[15:11:19:13:35] <Dyanisus> Hoffman: we stood by you
1310[15:11:19:13:35] <Dyanisus> how can you even say that stuff?
1311[15:11:19:13:35] <uberdub> long as haliburton keeps manufacturing products.
1312[15:11:19:13:35] <uberdub> :)
1313[15:11:19:13:35] <Dyanisus> we fucking, especially the britts......
1314[15:11:19:13:35] <uberdub> gotta stimulate the market some how
1315[15:11:19:13:36] <+xeno> Dyanisus: and while the Russian plane bombing was not technically in Europe, Russia is partially part of Europe - anyway, that was almost twice as big
1316[15:11:19:13:36] <Dyanisus> russia aint streets of paris
1317[15:11:19:13:36] <+xeno> total number of people dead from terrorist attacks this year: approximately 30.000
1318[15:11:19:13:36] <Dyanisus> or tubes of london
1319[15:11:19:13:36] <Dyanisus> or towers of ny
1320[15:11:19:13:36] <Dyanisus> common, obama is just weak
1321[15:11:19:13:36] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: we stand by you too
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1323[15:11:19:13:36] <+Hoffman> didnt you see the gogle logo
1324[15:11:19:13:36] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it's not *that* far away
1325[15:11:19:13:36] <+Hoffman> its french
1326[15:11:19:13:36] <Dyanisus> and the left is waving the white flag
1327[15:11:19:13:36] <+xeno> Dyanisus: lol
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1329[15:11:19:13:37] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it's actually the opposite, going all in is the weak thing to do right now
1330[15:11:19:13:37] <Dyanisus> cus thats what they want right? lolol
1331[15:11:19:13:37] <+Hoffman> because that would be a decision based on feelings
1332[15:11:19:13:37] <Dyanisus> they want us to kill em
1333[15:11:19:13:37] <Dyanisus> dont do it guys
1334[15:11:19:13:37] <DrSheep> its mens day!
1335[15:11:19:13:37] <uberdub> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogFZlRiTHuw
1336[15:11:19:13:37] <+Hoffman> I feel angry!
1337[15:11:19:13:37] <gol> ^ Wikileaks - Collateral murder in Iraq by US helicopter (short video) [01:41]
1338[15:11:19:13:37] <+Hoffman> lets attack!
1339[15:11:19:13:37] <OMDPrebel> You know how the EU saved all that money by not developing a military. It's coming home to roost. We can't afford to defend Europe anymore.
1340[15:11:19:13:37] <+Hoffman> fuck yo feelings
1341[15:11:19:13:37] <+Hoffman> fuck yo fear
1342[15:11:19:13:37] <DrSheep> 'collateral murder' hahah RT is such a comedian
1343[15:11:19:13:38] <uberdub> looks like the target was civilians there...so this is how you justify murder?
1344[15:11:19:13:38] <Dyanisus> Hoffman: they provoking a civil war
1345[15:11:19:13:38] <+Hoffman> deal with it
1346[15:11:19:13:38] <uberdub> "terrorists"?
1347[15:11:19:13:38] <Dyanisus> does the left even get that?
1348[15:11:19:13:38] <DrSheep> arent we over that yet?
1349[15:11:19:13:38] <Dyanisus> does the left know what they even doin?
1350[15:11:19:13:38] <DrSheep> i mean how long are  we going to hear about this bullshit?
1351[15:11:19:13:38] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: I thought you were french
1352[15:11:19:13:38] <Dyanisus> dude it aint even been 3 days
1353[15:11:19:13:38] <DrSheep> oh i was talking about the iraq helo attack
1354[15:11:19:13:39] <Dyanisus> no, but I can see same thing happening in covent garden here in london
1355[15:11:19:13:39] <Dyanisus> or soho in ny if thats the ny's equivalent of covent garden
1356[15:11:19:13:39] <+Hoffman> You guys should really take care of that
1357[15:11:19:13:39] <DrSheep> whos civil war?
1358[15:11:19:13:39] <OMDPrebel> The left polls its interest groups and come up with completely nonsensical positions that people vote for.
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1360[15:11:19:13:39] <Dyanisus> actually they apparently threatened washington this time
1361[15:11:19:13:40] <Dyanisus> the left is dumb
1362[15:11:19:13:40] <Dyanisus> here, you guys know corbin?
1363[15:11:19:13:40] <OMDPrebel> Like Defend us but don't kill anyone. Or promote Free Speech but don't offend anyone.
1364[15:11:19:13:40] <Dyanisus> corbyn*
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1367[15:11:19:13:40] <Dyanisus> he called for MI5 to be disbanded
1368[15:11:19:13:40] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: the left doesnt say that
1369[15:11:19:13:40] <Dyanisus> the police to be disbanded lmao
1370[15:11:19:13:40] <uberdub> over it?
1371[15:11:19:13:40] <uberdub> ha
1372[15:11:19:13:40] <Dyanisus> they appeasers
1373[15:11:19:13:40] <uberdub> you wish
1374[15:11:19:13:40] <Dyanisus> if not sympathisers tbh
1375[15:11:19:13:40] <uberdub> just sweep it under the rug, right?
1376[15:11:19:13:40] <+xeno> Dyanisus: I dare to argue, the right - through their ideology - doesn't even work for the best possible outcome, and they don't work in a way where different people won't automatically come into conflict - how can that be smarter?
1377[15:11:19:13:41] <uberdub> its the american way
1378[15:11:19:13:41] <OMDPrebel> Hoffman They won't even say Radical Islam to say they don't want to say Radical Islam
1379[15:11:19:13:41] <Dyanisus> xeno, it isn't about right or left
1380[15:11:19:13:41] <Dyanisus> it's about the centre ground
1381[15:11:19:13:41] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: which major left politician as said, "defend us but don't kill anyone"
1382[15:11:19:13:41] <Levite> "Islamic State" has nothing to do with Islam
1383[15:11:19:13:41] <Dyanisus> and the centre feels extremley threatened right now
1384[15:11:19:13:41] <Dyanisus> in an existential way in my view
1385[15:11:19:13:41] <+humbot> bah
1386[15:11:19:13:41] <+xeno> Dyanisus: well, IMO the US doesn't have much of a centre ground, they have right wing and extreme right wing
1387[15:11:19:13:42] <OMDPrebel> Obama, The rules of engagement won't let an attack happen if ONE civilian would get hurt.
1388[15:11:19:13:42] <Dyanisus> xeno I think one step ahead
1389[15:11:19:13:42] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: no, specifically what you said
1390[15:11:19:13:42] <OMDPrebel> Russian and France just bombed the HQ without concern for the cvilians.
1391[15:11:19:13:42] <+xeno> which step?
1392[15:11:19:13:42] <Dyanisus> lets suppose our politicians or the terrorists want this... by this meaning provoking civil war
1393[15:11:19:13:42] <Dyanisus> how you stop it?
1394[15:11:19:13:42] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: not civilians
1395[15:11:19:13:42] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: people
1396[15:11:19:13:42] <Dyanisus> well you stop it by placing pressure right now for it to end
1397[15:11:19:13:42] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: which major left politician has said, "defend us but don't kill anyone"
1398[15:11:19:13:43] <Dyanisus> Hoffman: corbyn said that
1399[15:11:19:13:43] <Dyanisus> effectivley
1400[15:11:19:13:43] <+xeno> btw, it's kinda interesting when Hollande says "This is a declaration of war" followed by "now we will bomb you even more"
1401[15:11:19:13:43] <+Hoffman> did he say it, or did he EFFECTIVELY say it?
1402[15:11:19:13:43] <Dyanisus> he said.... dont shoot to kill a terrist lmao
1403[15:11:19:13:43] <OMDPrebel> Don't recal me quoting anybody in particular, so idk... I do believe I summarized it well tho
1404[15:11:19:13:43] <Dyanisus> the left has lost it seriously
1405[15:11:19:13:43] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: Im gonna ask you a question, and I want you to think hard before you answer
1406[15:11:19:13:43] <OMDPrebel> k
1407[15:11:19:13:43] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: did you maybe exaggerate the truth a bit to make a point?
1408[15:11:19:13:43] <Dyanisus> blaming us for everything, justifying their actions, sympathising with them
1409[15:11:19:13:44] <+c|oe> More drones.  No boots.
1410[15:11:19:13:44] <Dyanisus> and any action we wanna take is EXACTLY what they want
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1412[15:11:19:13:44] <OMDPrebel> exaggerate yes, exaggerate the truth? don't know
1413[15:11:19:13:44] <+Hoffman> k
1414[15:11:19:13:44] <+Hoffman> ty for being honest
1415[15:11:19:13:44] <uberdub> clearly the people in that video werent terrorists. there were visibly chldren in the passenger seat of the van.
1416[15:11:19:13:44] <+xeno> Dyanisus: there's good reason to blame the US for a lot... they took over after the British in abusing the world... but anyways, that's of no interest
1417[15:11:19:13:45] <+Hoffman> IMO, theres plenty in this world to dislike or get mad at, without having to exaggerate
1418[15:11:19:13:45] <+xeno> Dyanisus: blame doesn't matter - what's done is done - it's actions and results that matter
1419[15:11:19:13:45] <Dyanisus> xeno, fact is, I don't care
1420[15:11:19:13:45] <uberdub> anyone who tries to justify our attrocities is a low life shithead
1421[15:11:19:13:45] <+Hoffman> and it usually makes an argument weaker
1422[15:11:19:13:45] <Dyanisus> the centre ground dont care
1423[15:11:19:13:45] <Dyanisus> and with every passing attack I and the centre ground cares even less
1424[15:11:19:13:45] <OMDPrebel> Hoffman I'm watching, everone exagerates to make a point, they even create parables and clichés
1425[15:11:19:13:45] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: moderates dont want another war
1426[15:11:19:13:45] <Dyanisus> that is what they want perhaps, but that doesn't mean their tactics are not effective in getting it
1427[15:11:19:13:45] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus:  if you want another war, thats fine
1428[15:11:19:13:45] <+xeno> Dyanisus: there's no reason to care, we should only act in a way that will lead to a better result
1429[15:11:19:13:45] <+c|oe> the centre ground r your diplomats
1430[15:11:19:13:46] <Dyanisus> I can see where this is going
1431[15:11:19:13:46] <+Hoffman> oure free to have that opinion, Dyanisus
1432[15:11:19:13:46] <Dyanisus> more and more radicalisation for the natives
1433[15:11:19:13:46] <+Hoffman> but dont pretend like you speak for moderates when you say you want war
1434[15:11:19:13:46] <Dyanisus> we stop it....... or well, we surrender right now
1435[15:11:19:13:46] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: yes, I am disappointed in it
1436[15:11:19:13:46] <+Hoffman> it takes a polarized discussion and makes it venomous
1437[15:11:19:13:47] <+justanotheruser> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/11/12/smoking-among-u-s-adults-has-fallen-to-historic-lows-these-7-charts-show-who-still-lights-up-the-most/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_2_na
1438[15:11:19:13:47] <gol> ^ Who still smokes in the United States — in seven simple charts - The Washington Post
1439[15:11:19:13:47] <+Hoffman> hey cool, justanotheruser
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1441[15:11:19:13:47] <+Hoffman> I think I participated in this study
1442[15:11:19:13:47] <+Hoffman> a few days back
1443[15:11:19:13:47] <+Hoffman> maybe a week back
1444[15:11:19:13:48] <+Hoffman> I am an interesting case
1445[15:11:19:13:48] <+Hoffman> non-cig smoker who has a personal vape that I dont use a lot
1446[15:11:19:13:48] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it's possible to go full in ground war in Syria - the problem is a) there's not political will in the people to do so, b) it's not in the US best interest, c) it will likely not solve the problem, since the fight is not against a state
1447[15:11:19:13:48] <+justanotheruser> nicotine use tripled among middle schoolers
1448[15:11:19:13:48] <+Hoffman> but a humidor full of cigars
1449[15:11:19:13:48] <+justanotheruser> but it has halved over all
1450[15:11:19:13:48] <+Hoffman> gotta be $2000 worth of cigars in there
1451[15:11:19:13:48] <Dyanisus> xeno, read the public places........
1452[15:11:19:13:48] <Dyanisus> when before it was unthinkable and aborent
1453[15:11:19:13:49] <Dyanisus> now some calls to nuke are actually upvoted
1454[15:11:19:13:49] <Dyanisus> what you think gone appen after next "real" attack?
1455[15:11:19:13:49] <+xeno> I walked outside in the public 30 minutes ago, the places were not very readable... but it's possible that I just don't know pavement
1456[15:11:19:13:49] <+Hoffman> some randos on reddit make a comment saying that
1457[15:11:19:13:49] <+Hoffman> and it gets upvoted?
1458[15:11:19:13:49] <+Hoffman> shit, thats a winning political strategy right there
1459[15:11:19:13:49] <+xeno> Dyanisus: not much
1460[15:11:19:13:49] <Dyanisus> you guys forget the people actually voted the nazis in power?
1461[15:11:19:13:49] <Dyanisus> like, voluntarily
1462[15:11:19:13:50] <+xeno> Dyanisus: there's always a bunch of emo people who just react based on the latest headline
1463[15:11:19:13:50] <Dyanisus> they, like, chose them
1464[15:11:19:13:50] <Dyanisus> freely
1465[15:11:19:13:50] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: you said "some calls to nuke are actually upvoted"
1466[15:11:19:13:50] <+Hoffman> problem is
1467[15:11:19:13:50] <+xeno> Dyanisus: yes, and the whole rest of the europe at that time was equally pretty shitty
1468[15:11:19:13:50] <+Hoffman> nobody cares
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1471[15:11:19:13:50] <+Hoffman> they arent IMPORTANT people saying that
1472[15:11:19:13:50] <+xeno> Dyanisus: and the US was an apartheid state until the 70ies
1473[15:11:19:13:50] <Dyanisus> I don't know why the left doesn't see that scenario as far more scary, that is, that things get so bad people voluntarily give up their freedoms
1474[15:11:19:13:51] <+xeno> Dyanisus: that is a valid problem
1475[15:11:19:13:51] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: the left champions that
1476[15:11:19:13:51] <Dyanisus> maybe in some conpiracy nonsense way thats what the politicians are working on, maybe it is in reality the terrists provoking it, dont matter
1477[15:11:19:13:51] <+Hoffman> the right wants people to give up freedom
1478[15:11:19:13:51] <+Hoffman> for fear
1479[15:11:19:13:51] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it's a general problem with people - we're way too protective of what we have :/
1480[15:11:19:13:51] <+Hoffman> the left defends privacy
1481[15:11:19:13:51] <+Hoffman> the right attacks it
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1483[15:11:19:13:51] <Dyanisus> whichever, it is a mortal danger to freedom and the nation
1484[15:11:19:13:52] <+xeno> the right was never much interested in freedom to begin with... they're mainly interested in freedom to maintain their totalitarian vision
1485[15:11:19:13:52] <Dyanisus> Hoffman: I am/was a leftist, but honestly, right now I see the left as waving the white flag
1486[15:11:19:13:52] <Dyanisus> maybe I'm wrong, but I can see where this is going, perhaps
1487[15:11:19:13:52] <OMDPrebel> Privacy is easy, the expectation of privacy when you put things on the air waves is just foolish.
1488[15:11:19:13:52] <+coffeeguy> ww3
1489[15:11:19:13:52] <Dyanisus> we have a window here to push for accountability in solving the problem
1490[15:11:19:13:53] <Dyanisus> otherwise we just surrendering
1491[15:11:19:13:53] <+xeno> ww3 won't be the same as ww2
1492[15:11:19:13:53] <+Hoffman> [13:52:41] Dyanisus  Hoffman: I am/was a leftist, but honestly, right now I see the left as waving the white flag
1493[15:11:19:13:53] <+Hoffman> you think the left shouldnt be waving a white flag
1494[15:11:19:13:53] <Dyanisus> yes, I do
1495[15:11:19:13:53] <+Hoffman> you think the left should be giving up freedoms instead
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1497[15:11:19:13:53] <+Hoffman> to support a war
1498[15:11:19:13:53] <+Hoffman> like the right
1499[15:11:19:13:53] <Dyanisus> surrendering now is just allowing the worst, the full surrender of our liberties
1500[15:11:19:13:53] <Dyanisus> and the election of a hitler, in london of all places
1501[15:11:19:13:53] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: why are you in favor of surrendering liberties?
1502[15:11:19:13:53] <+xeno> surrendering?!
1503[15:11:19:13:54] <+xeno> Dyanisus: we're not surrendering, and Syria/ISIS is not a serious world threat
1504[15:11:19:13:54] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: why are you in favor of surrendering liberties?
1505[15:11:19:13:54] <OMDPrebel> Hollande was/is left and got elected. Didn't he just say they're at war and they will wage a pityless war
1506[15:11:19:13:54] <Dyanisus> xeno, the left here is saying we should not shoot to kill the terrists
1507[15:11:19:13:54] <+xeno> Dyanisus: pretty much half of ISIS have already died
1508[15:11:19:13:54] <+justanotheruser> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXiknUGa314
1509[15:11:19:13:54] <gol> ^ 7-Year-Old Boy Donates All the Money in His Piggy Bank to Mosque Vandalized in Texas [01:51]
1510[15:11:19:13:54] <Dyanisus> they calling for the police to be dismantled
1511[15:11:19:13:54] <Dyanisus> for the mi5 to be dismantled
1512[15:11:19:13:54] <Dyanisus> that's their thinking...
1513[15:11:19:13:54] <Dyanisus> ohh show understanding
1514[15:11:19:13:54] <+Hoffman> thats your thinking
1515[15:11:19:13:54] <+Hoffman> not theirs
1516[15:11:19:13:55] <Dyanisus> give em sum love, show em some humanity lol
1517[15:11:19:13:55] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it's ok to shoot to kill the terrorists if it is e.g. to prevent further damage
1518[15:11:19:13:55] <+Hoffman> geez
1519[15:11:19:13:55] <+xeno> Dyanisus: but it's no point in shooting the terrorists if it is for revenge at the cost of intelligence
1520[15:11:19:13:55] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus is just making sit up wholsale now
1521[15:11:19:13:55] <+Hoffman> shit up*
1522[15:11:19:13:55] <+xeno> Dyanisus: I don't know anything more pointless than revenge
1523[15:11:19:13:55] <Dyanisus> I'm not
1524[15:11:19:13:55] <+Hoffman> fabricating fantasies from whole cloth
1525[15:11:19:13:55] <Dyanisus> just google corbyn
1526[15:11:19:13:55] <+Hoffman> no
1527[15:11:19:13:55] <Dyanisus> he is the leader of the opposition here
1528[15:11:19:13:55] <+Hoffman> your job is to present evidence
1529[15:11:19:13:55] <Dyanisus> in UK
1530[15:11:19:13:55] <+Hoffman> my job is not
1531[15:11:19:13:56] <Dyanisus> well, bury your head in the sand then
1532[15:11:19:13:56] <Dyanisus> the left is brilliant at that
1533[15:11:19:13:56] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: you assert that 100% of the left wants to dismantle the police
1534[15:11:19:13:56] <+Hoffman> prove it
1535[15:11:19:13:56] <Dyanisus> ergo hitler and the peace paper
1536[15:11:19:13:56] <Dyanisus> and chamberlain
1537[15:11:19:13:56] <+Hoffman> prove it
1538[15:11:19:13:57] <+Hoffman> show me a survey which concludes that, with 95% certainty, 100% of people who lean left want to have no police force
1539[15:11:19:13:57] <+xeno> Dyanisus: anyway, viewing IS as the main threat is pretty short sighted
1540[15:11:19:13:57] <Dyanisus> xeno, I do view them as a mortal threat to our liberties
1541[15:11:19:13:57] <+xeno> Dyanisus: 10 years from now, ISIS will probably have caused more issues, but still less than car accidents, and they will probably be finished
1542[15:11:19:13:57] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: stop being a pussy
1543[15:11:19:13:57] <Dyanisus> not because they have bullet power
1544[15:11:19:13:57] <+Hoffman> You dont need to be afraid
1545[15:11:19:13:57] <+Hoffman> Its ok
1546[15:11:19:13:58] <OMDPrebel> Hoffman You're being a little anal. Generalizations obviously don't apply to all but to most. You'd be better served to ask for a majority or super majority.
1547[15:11:19:13:58] <Dyanisus> but because I fear our people will vote freedom away with each provocation
1548[15:11:19:13:58] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: so, what
1549[15:11:19:13:58] <+Hoffman> 51%?
1550[15:11:19:13:58] <OMDPrebel> ok
1551[15:11:19:13:58] <+Hoffman> thats most right?
1552[15:11:19:13:58] <+Hoffman> show me a survey which concludes that, with 95% certainty, 51% of people who lean left want to have no police force
1553[15:11:19:13:58] <OMDPrebel> Less anal for sure
1554[15:11:19:13:58] <+Hoffman> ^ to Dyanisus
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1556[15:11:19:13:59] <Dyanisus> Hoffman: it speaks of an attitude
1557[15:11:19:13:59] <Dyanisus> an attitude of justification
1558[15:11:19:13:59] <Dyanisus> of sympathy and empathy
1559[15:11:19:13:59] <+Hoffman> what part of what I said sounds like
1560[15:11:19:13:59] <+Hoffman> pontificate more
1561[15:11:19:13:59] <+Hoffman> talk to me about attitudes
1562[15:11:19:13:59] <+Hoffman> FYI I dont care and I didnt ask
1563[15:11:19:13:59] <+Hoffman> Just show me the study
1564[15:11:19:13:59] <OMDPrebel> Hoffman is the GOP the 'enemies' of the Left?
1565[15:11:19:13:59] <Dyanisus> which basically says if we hug them a bit more they would not attack us
1566[15:11:19:14:00] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: no
1567[15:11:19:14:00] <Dyanisus> were we not huging them prior to 2001?
1568[15:11:19:14:00] <Dyanisus> were we not leaving iraq?
1569[15:11:19:14:00] <Dyanisus> and aphganistan
1570[15:11:19:14:00] <OMDPrebel> Ok your at least sane
1571[15:11:19:14:00] <Dyanisus> we were withdrawing
1572[15:11:19:14:00] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: just cause two people disagree on some issues doesnt make them enemies
1573[15:11:19:14:00] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: who are you talking to
1574[15:11:19:14:00] <Dyanisus> the left
1575[15:11:19:14:00] <+xeno> Dyanisus: you know why you were withdrawing, right? it's because it's a democracy, and people wanted the war to end
1576[15:11:19:14:00] <+Hoffman> ^
1577[15:11:19:14:00] <+Hoffman> 'murica
1578[15:11:19:14:01] <Dyanisus> they wanted it so much
1579[15:11:19:14:01] <OMDPrebel> Good, I understand disagrements, not the right is evil bible toting evil doers
1580[15:11:19:14:01] <Dyanisus> the created isis
1581[15:11:19:14:01] <+Hoffman> so?
1582[15:11:19:14:01] <Dyanisus> which controls a territory bigger than iraq
1583[15:11:19:14:01] <+Hoffman> so?
1584[15:11:19:14:01] <Dyanisus> so? they came and killed us in our streets!
1585[15:11:19:14:01] <+xeno> Dyanisus: and of course, there's no tactical reasons to have peace in the middle east
1586[15:11:19:14:01] <+Hoffman> yawn
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1588[15:11:19:14:01] <Dyanisus> those streets could be as much ny's as paris's
1589[15:11:19:14:01] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: do you have that study yet, or were you exaggerating the truth to prove a point?
1590[15:11:19:14:02] <+xeno> Dyanisus: imagine full peace in the middle east, and friendliness between all nations, and a nice democracy in north korea... what would the position of the US be then compared to now?
1591[15:11:19:14:02] <Dyanisus> google it
1592[15:11:19:14:02] <+Hoffman> No?
1593[15:11:19:14:02] <+Hoffman> You dont?
1594[15:11:19:14:02] <Dyanisus> im not your secretary Hoffman
1595[15:11:19:14:02] <Samian> k-12 was a waste of my time!
1596[15:11:19:14:02] <+Hoffman> You were lying?
1597[15:11:19:14:02] <Samian> dumb teachers
1598[15:11:19:14:02] <+Hoffman> hmm ok
1599[15:11:19:14:02] <Samian> dumb classmates
1600[15:11:19:14:02] <Samian> they all dumbed me down!
1601[15:11:19:14:02] <Samian> sorry I'm ranting again.
1602[15:11:19:14:02] <+Hoffman> Samian: sorry to hear that
1603[15:11:19:14:02] <Dyanisus> xeno: US was fine before the terrists came along
1604[15:11:19:14:03] <Dyanisus> like in the 90s, US was fine
1605[15:11:19:14:03] <Dyanisus> it don't need terrists
1606[15:11:19:14:03] <OMDPrebel> Samian so you're the guy talking to the Ant colony trying to make them understand you? Psst... Just give up.
1607[15:11:19:14:03] <Dyanisus> the terrists came for US cus omg merican bases in arabia.....
1608[15:11:19:14:03] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: honestly I'm not leftist or GOPist
1609[15:11:19:14:04] <Dyanisus> Brittain ruled india for years..... they never killed ppl in the streets of London
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1612[15:11:19:14:04] <Dyanisus> its a facist cult which wants you to be muslim or ded
1613[15:11:19:14:04] <Dyanisus> like the nazis...........
1614[15:11:19:14:04] <OMDPrebel> Me neither, I'm fiscally conservative, socially moderate, and have libertarian leanings.
1615[15:11:19:14:04] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: Im just tired of seeing folks like Dyanisus lie
1616[15:11:19:14:04] <+Hoffman> to prove whatever nutso point he has
1617[15:11:19:14:04] <+Hoffman> they have
1618[15:11:19:14:05] <+Hoffman> and further poison the well of rational discussion
1619[15:11:19:14:05] <+Hoffman> Ive build my own evil black rifle and bought a shotgun and a sniper rifle and I'm getting a pistol soon
1620[15:11:19:14:05] <Dyanisus> lol, you call a lie a fact not given to you?
1621[15:11:19:14:05] <Dyanisus> get off your ass bro
1622[15:11:19:14:05] <Dyanisus> do your own research
1623[15:11:19:14:05] <+xeno> Dyanisus: are you kidding?
1624[15:11:19:14:05] <+Hoffman> Yet I also think the government's job is to take care of its citizens
1625[15:11:19:14:05] <Dyanisus> do you even know who corbyn is Hoffman ?
1626[15:11:19:14:05] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: you made a claim
1627[15:11:19:14:05] <+Hoffman> I asked you to support it
1628[15:11:19:14:05] <+Hoffman> you said,
1629[15:11:19:14:05] <+Hoffman> google it
1630[15:11:19:14:05] <+Hoffman> you fail
1631[15:11:19:14:05] <Dyanisus> do you know who corbyn is Hoffman ?
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1633[15:11:19:14:05] <+justanotheruser> is Dyanisus ih20?
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1635[15:11:19:14:06] <Dyanisus> if you don't, what, you expect me to explain who he is
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1637[15:11:19:14:06] <OMDPrebel> Dyanisus I don't always ask for exact quotes and references but you should come to a debate with apropos retorts that make sense and have some point of reference
1638[15:11:19:14:06] <Dyanisus> what he said
1639[15:11:19:14:06] <Dyanisus> what his second in charge said
1640[15:11:19:14:06] <+xeno> Dyanisus: 1990 was the "first" iraq war
1641[15:11:19:14:06] <Dyanisus> what's this, a lecture theatre?
1642[15:11:19:14:06] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus: you said "the left" says X
1643[15:11:19:14:06] <+Hoffman> not some random dude
1644[15:11:19:14:06] <Dyanisus> just google.......... lazy stuff
1645[15:11:19:14:06] <+xeno> Dyanisus: and the relationship to Iran was crap
1646[15:11:19:14:06] <Dyanisus> Hoffman: he is left, in fact he is the leader of the labour party in UK
1647[15:11:19:14:06] <+Hoffman> he is not the left
1648[15:11:19:14:06] <+Hoffman> I am the left
1649[15:11:19:14:06] <Dyanisus> some important country still I think
1650[15:11:19:14:07] <+Hoffman> Im in the US
1651[15:11:19:14:07] <+Hoffman> some of my friends are the left
1652[15:11:19:14:07] <+xeno> Dyanisus: and with regards to Russia, the US was busy playing nice and eat up the spoils
1653[15:11:19:14:07] <+Hoffman> none of us believe what you claim the left believes
1654[15:11:19:14:07] <Dyanisus> UK isn't some alien to US left
1655[15:11:19:14:07] <OMDPrebel> I'm not a fan of surveys as a point of reference because I could get a survey to show anything I want.
1656[15:11:19:14:07] <Dyanisus> we speak same language!
1657[15:11:19:14:07] <+Hoffman> therefore your claim that "the left" believes there should be no police is wrong
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1659[15:11:19:14:07] <+Hoffman> it is a lie
1660[15:11:19:14:07] <+Hoffman> take a sample of people in "the left"
1661[15:11:19:14:07] <+Hoffman> see who believes what you claim they believe:  that there should be no police
1662[15:11:19:14:07] <Dyanisus> yeh
1663[15:11:19:14:07] <Dyanisus> semantic works........
1664[15:11:19:14:08] <Dyanisus> try splitting hairs
1665[15:11:19:14:08] <+Hoffman> you lying isnt semantics
1666[15:11:19:14:08] <Dyanisus> that works
1667[15:11:19:14:08] <Dyanisus> the left is surrendering
1668[15:11:19:14:08] <+Hoffman> its just you poisoning the well
1669[15:11:19:14:08] <+Hoffman> of rational discussion
1670[15:11:19:14:08] <Dyanisus> its justifying, empathysing and sympathising
1671[15:11:19:14:08] <+Hoffman> of civil discourse
1672[15:11:19:14:08] <OMDPrebel> Anarchists are on the left, go take a survey of them, they don't want police because they want to self police themselves.
1673[15:11:19:14:08] <+xeno> Hoffman: you will find some - mostly extreme right wing anarchists / religious nuts... "We don't need no police, stay away from our god fearing ways and my lawn or we'll shoot you"
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1675[15:11:19:14:08] <Dyanisus> because the left cares more about the radicalisation of these terrists
1676[15:11:19:14:09] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: I disagree that anarchists are the left
1677[15:11:19:14:09] <Dyanisus> and forgets completley about the radicalisation of the natives
1678[15:11:19:14:09] <+Hoffman> but hell
1679[15:11:19:14:09] <+Hoffman> include them in the sample!
1680[15:11:19:14:09] <Dyanisus> forgets completley that hitler was elected
1681[15:11:19:14:09] <Dyanisus> by popular consent
1682[15:11:19:14:09] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: let the statistics speak for themselves!
1683[15:11:19:14:09] <+Hoffman> Dyanisus:  go have a vitriolic argument with someone else
1684[15:11:19:14:09] <+Hoffman> I have no intention of feeding your hate
1685[15:11:19:14:09] <+xeno> Dyanisus: there's IMO disturbing similarities between nazism/fascism and the libertarian right
1686[15:11:19:14:10] <OMDPrebel> not quite sure how anarchists would fit in... You're probably correct, they'd be extreme right as they won't pay any taxes
1687[15:11:19:14:10] <Dyanisus> xeno the libertarian right is a fringe movement for some good reasons
1688[15:11:19:14:10] <Dyanisus> the left however is giving them the power
1689[15:11:19:14:10] <Dyanisus> voluntarily
1690[15:11:19:14:10] <Dyanisus> by appeasing
1691[15:11:19:14:10] <Dyanisus> we have a window right now
1692[15:11:19:14:10] <Dyanisus> we take advantage or we fucked in my view
1693[15:11:19:14:10] <+c|oe> Obama-2016
1694[15:11:19:14:11] <+c|oe> yeah
1695[15:11:19:14:11] <+c|oe> U read that right
1696[15:11:19:14:11] <Dyanisus> these terrorists
1697[15:11:19:14:11] <+justanotheruser> Obama or three-commas
1698[15:11:19:14:11] <Dyanisus> they not freedom fighters
1699[15:11:19:14:11] <Dyanisus> thats what the left is saying in their coloured language
1700[15:11:19:14:11] <+xeno> Dyanisus: anyway, given that you can't shake that IS is the new Nazi Germany and will take over the world, I don't see any point in continuing the discussion... I'll just end it by saying that you're wrong, and that IS is a small but terrifying disturbance
1701[15:11:19:14:11] <+justanotheruser> trump 2016 ,,,
1702[15:11:19:14:11] <Dyanisus> that's what the left is implying their huging for luv
1703[15:11:19:14:11] <Dyanisus> they implying they freedom fighters
1704[15:11:19:14:11] <Dyanisus> we ruled india for centuries
1705[15:11:19:14:12] <OMDPrebel> We need a sliding scale for left and right. 0%(Anarchy)<---------------------*---------------------------->(Slavery)100% taxes and see where you fit. I'm about a 35
1706[15:11:19:14:12] <Dyanisus> no freedom fighter came to shed blood in the streets of covent garden
1707[15:11:19:14:12] <Dyanisus> they what a caliphate
1708[15:11:19:14:12] <+xeno> left/right is a broken scale btw
1709[15:11:19:14:12] <Dyanisus> like the muhamed's army which invaded spain
1710[15:11:19:14:12] <Dyanisus> like the ottomans which came all the way to austira
1711[15:11:19:14:12] <Dyanisus> they speak of crusade but forget their own transgressions
1712[15:11:19:14:13] <OMDPrebel> xeno I know it will confuse everyone, the rigtht is on the left and the left is on the right
1713[15:11:19:14:13] <Dyanisus> their jizia.... making non believers pay an unbearable tax so they converted
1714[15:11:19:14:13] <Dyanisus> taking the children away to fight in their armies
1715[15:11:19:14:13] <+xeno> there's plenty of scales that makes more sense combined: utilitarianism vs naturalism, freedom vs totalitarianism, equalitarianism vs diversity, ...
1716[15:11:19:14:14] <Dyanisus> they want a caliphate, they want to rule over you....
1717[15:11:19:14:14] <Dyanisus> it's that simple in my view
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1719[15:11:19:14:14] <Dyanisus> we did nothing to them prior to 2001....
1720[15:11:19:14:14] <Dyanisus> yet they killed 3k ppl and stole our peace away
1721[15:11:19:14:14] <+justanotheruser> Which party is supposed to control the house and senate after this election?
1722[15:11:19:14:15] <+Hoffman> the keg party
1723[15:11:19:14:15] <+xeno> Dyanisus: "they"
1724[15:11:19:14:15] <+MikeSeth> OH NO
1725[15:11:19:14:15] <+MikeSeth> I SMELL ANARCHISM
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1727[15:11:19:14:15] <+Hoffman> but can you smell why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?
1728[15:11:19:14:15] <Dyanisus> xeno, I'd never see ISIS as us
1729[15:11:19:14:15] <Dyanisus> they are a they
1730[15:11:19:14:15] <Dyanisus> they are a people who have no.....
1731[15:11:19:14:16] <+Hoffman> isis didnt attack the wtc
1732[15:11:19:14:16] <Dyanisus> anyway, it's not about them
1733[15:11:19:14:16] <+Hoffman> al quaida did
1734[15:11:19:14:16] <OMDPrebel> They are lying. A Caliphate would be a theocracy. A theocracy has no need of money but they sell their oil to buy things. Shouldn't they go goat farming.
1735[15:11:19:14:16] <+MikeSeth> Hoffman: because kids aren't anarchists
1736[15:11:19:14:16] <Dyanisus> i'm more worried about us
1737[15:11:19:14:16] <+Hoffman> isis hates al quaida
1738[15:11:19:14:16] <+Hoffman> and the feeling is mutual
1739[15:11:19:14:16] <Dyanisus> about the actions of our own people
1740[15:11:19:14:16] <Dyanisus> if this continues.....
1741[15:11:19:14:16] <+xeno> Dyanisus: I'll say, however, that if all the current ISIS fighters just right now just happened to trip and fall on their own bayonets and die, I wouldn't morn them one bit... but it's a matter of the best tactical action, not about what it feels like one should do
1742[15:11:19:14:16] <Dyanisus> the centre ground is already hugely agrieved
1743[15:11:19:14:16] <+justanotheruser> isis and al qaida have the same beliefs except for a disagreement of who should run it
1744[15:11:19:14:16] <Dyanisus> another attack and a civil war COULD happen
1745[15:11:19:14:16] <+justanotheruser> it is internal politics, not a difference in philosophy
1746[15:11:19:14:16] <+MikeSeth> ISIS needs to be wiped regardless of what caused it
1747[15:11:19:14:17] <Dyanisus> I'd rather avoid it
1748[15:11:19:14:17] <+MikeSeth> and regardless of the cost to the countries in which it operates
1749[15:11:19:14:17] <Dyanisus> xeno, best tactic is occupy them, invade them
1750[15:11:19:14:18] <Dyanisus> brainwash their kids and the new generation
1751[15:11:19:14:18] <OMDPrebel> Refugee Bill gets enough votes to overide a veto
1752[15:11:19:14:18] <Dyanisus> instill our values
1753[15:11:19:14:18] <Dyanisus> like with germany
1754[15:11:19:14:18] <+MikeSeth> yeah Jersey Shore 24x7
1755[15:11:19:14:18] <Levite> immigrate and swamp them demographically
1756[15:11:19:14:18] <Dyanisus> like with japan
1757[15:11:19:14:18] <Dyanisus> we best budies now
1758[15:11:19:14:19] <+MikeSeth> yeah except japan still has shellfish porn and farting shows
1759[15:11:19:14:19] <OMDPrebel> Yea that funny, the best thing to happen was to lose a war to us.
1760[15:11:19:14:19] <+MikeSeth> I know being nuked fucks you up
1761[15:11:19:14:19] <Dyanisus> understanding is nonsense when they attacked us in 2001, while we were doing nothing to them
1762[15:11:19:14:19] <OMDPrebel> Japan and Germany kicking it now
1763[15:11:19:14:19] <+MikeSeth> but damm Japan
1764[15:11:19:14:19] <+Hoffman> OMDPrebel: yeah
1765[15:11:19:14:19] <+xeno> Dyanisus: anyway, I sense that you're still living in the illusion that governments care about world peace
1766[15:11:19:14:19] <+Hoffman> look at david hasslehoff
1767[15:11:19:14:19] <+Hoffman> :P
1768[15:11:19:14:20] <+justanotheruser> http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v11/n3/fig_tab/nrd3681_F1.html
1769[15:11:19:14:20] <gol> ^ Figure 1 : Diagnosing the decline in pharmaceutical R&D efficiency : Nature Reviews Drug Discovery
1770[15:11:19:14:20] <Dyanisus> xeno: it's our job to put pressure on gov
1771[15:11:19:14:20] <Dyanisus> and with the left all sympathising and excusing
1772[15:11:19:14:20] <Dyanisus> we not doing a good job of it
1773[15:11:19:14:20] <Dyanisus> in fat the opposite
1774[15:11:19:14:20] <+Hoffman> thats what your country wants
1775[15:11:19:14:20] <+Hoffman> want something different?
1776[15:11:19:14:20] <+Hoffman> go to a different country
1777[15:11:19:14:21] <+Hoffman> democracy FTW
1778[15:11:19:14:21] <Dyanisus> like look at these arguments: meh you just changed a profile pic.......... dumbas that act is meant to show unity why you seed division
1779[15:11:19:14:21] <+xeno> Dyanisus: sympathy doesn't have to conflict with action
1780[15:11:19:14:21] <Dyanisus> or why you no care about kenya bombing........ dumbass unity....
1781[15:11:19:14:21] <Dyanisus> action can not be taken while divided
1782[15:11:19:14:21] <Dyanisus> we must unite first
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1784[15:11:19:14:22] <+Hoffman> we ARE united
1785[15:11:19:14:22] <+justanotheruser> in 1950, there was a new drug on market for every 30 million dollars spent, now it costs about 2 billion
1786[15:11:19:14:22] <+Hoffman> just not behind what YOU want
1787[15:11:19:14:22] <Dyanisus> switch the attitude from oh yeah reasons to holding our leaders to account
1788[15:11:19:14:22] <Dyanisus> to criticisng our leaders for not providing an end to this
1789[15:11:19:14:22] <Dyanisus> in fact
1790[15:11:19:14:22] <Dyanisus> who right now is criticising our leaders?
1791[15:11:19:14:22] <Dyanisus> no one
1792[15:11:19:14:22] <Dyanisus> we bikering between ourselves
1793[15:11:19:14:22] <OMDPrebel> Amreica is like an Irish Family, we hate and fist fight each other, but don't dare get between us.
1794[15:11:19:14:22] <+xeno> Dyanisus: I sympathize with IS recruits, but I still think they're better dead on average
1795[15:11:19:14:22] <+jzk> House overwhelmingly approves bill to suspend program that allows Syrian and Iraqi refugees into U.S.
1796[15:11:19:14:23] <Levite> brilliant tactical move by GOP
1797[15:11:19:14:23] <Dyanisus> xeno you sympathise with IS recruits?
1798[15:11:19:14:23] <+xeno> Dyanisus: but then again, I'm not a strong believer in the concept of free will, we are who we are and that's a punishment in itself
1799[15:11:19:14:23] <+jzk> i'm just not a sympathizer of muslim refugees, sorry
1800[15:11:19:14:24] <Dyanisus> how can you sympathise with someone who joins ISIS?
1801[15:11:19:14:24] <+jzk> they bring islam and consciously fail to integrate
1802[15:11:19:14:24] <+xeno> Dyanisus: I feel sorry for them, and think they're bad people and should be killed at the same time
1803[15:11:19:14:24] <+jzk> no it's not even about ISIS
1804[15:11:19:14:24] <Dyanisus> and you feel they justified too right xeno
1805[15:11:19:14:24] <+humbot> integration is a two-way street
1806[15:11:19:14:24] <+jzk> they're fleeing the problems of islam and yet they bring islam and those problems with them
1807[15:11:19:14:24] <Levite> US is not the world's police or relief agency
1808[15:11:19:14:24] <Dyanisus> cus they freedum fighters right
1809[15:11:19:14:24] <Dyanisus> what justification did bin laden have?
1810[15:11:19:14:24] <+jzk> i saw this from the b-roll of migrants entering europe for weeks now
1811[15:11:19:14:24] <Dyanisus> were we occupying the middle east in 2001 xeno?
1812[15:11:19:14:25] <+xeno> Dyanisus: that's a question of definition
1813[15:11:19:14:25] <+humbot> they're fleeing a civil war jzk
1814[15:11:19:14:25] <Dyanisus> no
1815[15:11:19:14:25] <Dyanisus> its an objective question
1816[15:11:19:14:25] <Levite> the left is all "muh 18-24 month process"
1817[15:11:19:14:25] <+jzk> humbot: and they're bringing the civil war with them while their women are forced to wear burqas on the migration route
1818[15:11:19:14:25] <Dyanisus> we were not occupying middle east
1819[15:11:19:14:25] <+jzk> humbot: it's not fixing anything
1820[15:11:19:14:25] <Dyanisus> so what justification did he have?
1821[15:11:19:14:25] <+Hoffman> [14:24:41] Levite  US is not the world's police or relief agency
1822[15:11:19:14:25] <+Hoffman> agreed
1823[15:11:19:14:25] <+Hoffman> stop being all like
1824[15:11:19:14:25] <OMDPrebel> Hell France and Britain set up the boarders of the Middle East, they mucked that up a long time ago.
1825[15:11:19:14:25] <+Hoffman> US should save syria!
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1827[15:11:19:14:25] <Dyanisus> and if he had nay why wouldnt he take it against the middle eastern govs?
1828[15:11:19:14:25] <+Hoffman> US should save iraq!
1829[15:11:19:14:25] <+xeno> Dyanisus: the middle east is full of dictatorships, mostly instated with support of one the world powers because it's easy to get deals with dictators who just need to give away some oil and influence for help with staying in power
1830[15:11:19:14:25] <+Hoffman> US should stop ISIS!
1831[15:11:19:14:26] <+humbot> it's not helpful to mischaracterise the situation jzk
1832[15:11:19:14:26] <+macrobat> the swedes just caught a terrist. "Mutar Muthanna Majid"
1833[15:11:19:14:26] <Dyanisus> xeno, and what did bin laden want?
1834[15:11:19:14:26] <Dyanisus> what was his solution?
1835[15:11:19:14:26] <Dyanisus> was he fighting fur freedum?
1836[15:11:19:14:26] <Dyanisus> did he want democracy?
1837[15:11:19:14:26] <Dyanisus> what did he want xeno?
1838[15:11:19:14:26] <OMDPrebel> Perhaps it's time for imperailism to show its head again.
1839[15:11:19:14:27] <+jzk> humbot: if they want to come to the west, they have to ditch islam
1840[15:11:19:14:27] <Dyanisus> he wanted a fucking caliphate
1841[15:11:19:14:27] <+macrobat> didn't he want death to america?
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1843[15:11:19:14:27] <+xeno> Dyanisus: I don't know and I don't care - he was a piece of shit, but still it wasn't good for him to suffer either
1844[15:11:19:14:27] <Dyanisus> a rule of sharia more stringet than arabia
1845[15:11:19:14:27] <Dyanisus> and from there go on to invade the rest of the world
1846[15:11:19:14:27] <Dyanisus> subdue all the people
1847[15:11:19:14:27] <Dyanisus> like muhamed tried in his time
1848[15:11:19:14:27] <+humbot> end Abrahamisms now
1849[15:11:19:14:27] <Dyanisus> like his followers who came all the way to spain
1850[15:11:19:14:27] <+xeno> Dyanisus: I guess you would need to be a pretty good psychiatrist to even try to understand what he really wanted
1851[15:11:19:14:28] <Dyanisus> or the ottomans all the way to austria
1852[15:11:19:14:28] <Dyanisus> look
1853[15:11:19:14:28] <BigRonnieRon> Religion is dumb. I don't know why we have so many people who are like oh let's not say anything bad about the Islam.
1854[15:11:19:14:28] <Dyanisus> things are still rational right now
1855[15:11:19:14:28] <Dyanisus> but this shit continues
1856[15:11:19:14:28] <Dyanisus> these attacks continue
1857[15:11:19:14:28] <BigRonnieRon> Atheism ftw
1858[15:11:19:14:28] <Dyanisus> and you will be called a terrorist sympathiser
1859[15:11:19:14:28] <Dyanisus> and the muslims here and there..... you don't know horror
1860[15:11:19:14:28] <Dyanisus> ask germans who elected, voluntarily, hitler
1861[15:11:19:14:29] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: I guess for religious people, it's probably because anything they say about Islam can so easily be said about themselves
1862[15:11:19:14:29] <+humbot> they didn't elect hitler to be a dictator
1863[15:11:19:14:29] <OMDPrebel> If they're profit didn't say 'Death to America'? Who started it?  I think Muhammed predated the U.S.
1864[15:11:19:14:29] <+jzk> !vote list
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1867[15:11:19:14:30] <+macrobat> http://www.faisalalmutar.com/2015/11/16/i-am-a-jihadist-and-i-am-tired-of-not-being-given-credit/
1868[15:11:19:14:30] <gol> ^ I am a jihadist and I am tired of not being given credit. - REAL PROBLEMS REQUIRE REAL SOLUTIONS | REAL PROBLEMS REQUIRE REAL SOLUTIONS
1869[15:11:19:14:30] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: I just try to keep a balance - if the situation dictates that one doesn't talk badly about christianity, then I maintain the same level on Islam - but both are so shitty that they alone makes one give up on humanity
1870[15:11:19:14:30] <+xeno> Dyanisus: Hitler was just a sympthom
1871[15:11:19:14:30] <Dyanisus> they are not BOTH as shity
1872[15:11:19:14:30] <+xeno> Dyanisus: he was not even the worst nazi
1873[15:11:19:14:31] <Dyanisus> we didnt invade muslim lands
1874[15:11:19:14:31] <Dyanisus> the crusades were what, just israel
1875[15:11:19:14:31] <OMDPrebel> I'm a religious Pantheist, I say Islam is misguided destructive human behavoir. Pantheism the only true religion that combines science and belief. We don't convert or ask for money.
1876[15:11:19:14:31] <BigRonnieRon> Christianity hasn't been engaged in large scale terrorism for at least a couple of hundred years
1877[15:11:19:14:31] <Dyanisus> the muslims invaded spain
1878[15:11:19:14:31] <BigRonnieRon> Let's not kid ourselves
1879[15:11:19:14:31] <Dyanisus> the ottomans sacked constantinople
1880[15:11:19:14:31] <BigRonnieRon> Fundamentalist Islam is medieval
1881[15:11:19:14:31] <Dyanisus> came all the way to austria
1882[15:11:19:14:31] <Dyanisus> you speak of their freedom
1883[15:11:19:14:31] <Dyanisus> yet totally ignore ours
1884[15:11:19:14:31] <+xeno> Dyanisus: I happened to read or fantastic original constitution from 1814 - and it was a totalitarian protestant crap piece of paper
1885[15:11:19:14:32] <Dyanisus> xeno, what did the japanese do to them?
1886[15:11:19:14:32] <Dyanisus> these freedom fighters
1887[15:11:19:14:32] <Dyanisus> why did they kill japanese hostages?
1888[15:11:19:14:32] <Dyanisus> is  japan invading them?
1889[15:11:19:14:33] <+xeno> Dyanisus: who? what?
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1891[15:11:19:14:33] <Dyanisus> you know they killed some japenese nationals right?
1892[15:11:19:14:33] <girardux> guess they can't all be bad, but a large contingent of islam is such a bad influence
1893[15:11:19:14:33] <+xeno> Dyanisus: ISIS?
1894[15:11:19:14:33] <Dyanisus> yes
1895[15:11:19:14:33] <Dyanisus> there was some public frenzy about it
1896[15:11:19:14:33] <girardux> on the others
1897[15:11:19:14:33] <Dyanisus> japan held some day of mourning or something
1898[15:11:19:14:34] <+xeno> Dyanisus: yesterday they also informed the world that they had killed a chinese and a norwegian hostage
1899[15:11:19:14:34] <Dyanisus> http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/02/middleeast/isis-hostage/
1900[15:11:19:14:34] <gol> ^ Video: ISIS purportedly beheads Japanese hostage - CNN.com
1901[15:11:19:14:34] <+xeno> Dyanisus: Norway performed some training of anti-ISIS troups in Iraq, but that's not the reason
1902[15:11:19:14:34] <Levite> and they published a white house attack video today
1903[15:11:19:14:34] <+xeno> Dyanisus: it was blackmail - they wanted money
1904[15:11:19:14:35] <Dyanisus> lmao
1905[15:11:19:14:35] <Dyanisus> thats.............
1906[15:11:19:14:35] <Dyanisus> what
1907[15:11:19:14:35] <Dyanisus> STOP JUSTIFYING THEIR SHIT
1908[15:11:19:14:35] <Dyanisus> stop empathising with those scums
1909[15:11:19:14:35] <Dyanisus> stop sympathising and excusing those animals
1910[15:11:19:14:35] <Dyanisus> a lion at least at some point gets full
1911[15:11:19:14:35] <+xeno> Dyanisus: with the Norwegian guy, they dismembered him multiple times before, taped it and sent the tapes to the government together with info on how to pay for his release
1912[15:11:19:14:35] <Dyanisus> but these guys........
1913[15:11:19:14:36] <+xeno> Dyanisus: I'm not excusing one bit
1914[15:11:19:14:36] <Dyanisus> you are
1915[15:11:19:14:36] <Dyanisus> the left is
1916[15:11:19:14:36] <BigRonnieRon> They should make being ISIS/Wahhabism/Jihadism/Salafism criminal
1917[15:11:19:14:36] <OMDPrebel> Levite Once they get past the drunk sleeping secret service that aren't with the prostitutes in Lincoln's bedroom they're home free.
1918[15:11:19:14:36] <Dyanisus> with your justifications and excuses of ohh but only if we could hug em and gib em sum luve
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1920[15:11:19:14:36] <girardux> heard one western isis guy say we will not stop until we lay the black flag on desk at oval office at white house
1921[15:11:19:14:36] <+xeno> Dyanisus: not wanting revenge and having sympathy with the people (not their actions) is not the same as supporting their actions
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1923[15:11:19:14:37] <Dyanisus> lmao
1924[15:11:19:14:37] <girardux> good luck w/ that
1925[15:11:19:14:37] <+xeno> Dyanisus: if dropping a nuke on them would actually work and give the best outcome, I would support it
1926[15:11:19:14:37] <Dyanisus> how can you differentiate between the people and their actions?
1927[15:11:19:14:37] <+xeno> Dyanisus: but it wouldn't work
1928[15:11:19:14:37] <BigRonnieRon> xeno: Why not?
1929[15:11:19:14:37] <Dyanisus> how can you judge ppl but by their actions?
1930[15:11:19:14:37] <BigRonnieRon> I think it would work.
1931[15:11:19:14:37] <BigRonnieRon> But collateral damage would probably be high.
1932[15:11:19:14:38] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: ISIS is a focal point for a fascist subculture within the middle east originated world population
1933[15:11:19:14:38] <BigRonnieRon> At least according to what I know of Nucleur Weapons based on the Fallout video games, which are likely true
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1935[15:11:19:14:38] <OMDPrebel> If you're drink coffee and donuts in ISIS HQ you should expect a high probability of gettng your ass blown off.
1936[15:11:19:14:38] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: it would have insane collateral damage, and would actually manage to result in something like WW3
1937[15:11:19:14:38] <BigRonnieRon> xeno: I'm actually reasonably familiar with them and their history. They want to set up a pan-Arabic caliphate/theocracy
1938[15:11:19:14:39] <BigRonnieRon> xeno: It would work though.
1939[15:11:19:14:39] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: heh, have you gotten the fat boy gun too? The one you need to fire nukes with a catapult system?
1940[15:11:19:14:39] <BigRonnieRon> xeno: lolyes
1941[15:11:19:14:39] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: it would work, as in, it would explode
1942[15:11:19:14:39] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: and it would help people who want revenge to actually get it
1943[15:11:19:14:40] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: but it would make the whole world worse off than we didn't drop the nuke
1944[15:11:19:14:40] <BigRonnieRon> Well, I'm just saying it would work. I'm not saying I necessarily favor nuking the middle east, but turning it to ash would solve many of the problems over there. It's dishonest to think otherwise.
1945[15:11:19:14:41] <+xeno> BigRonnieRon: well, you know what my view is on existence in general, ...
1946[15:11:19:14:41] <Dyanisus> xeno
1947[15:11:19:14:41] <Dyanisus> what's your solution/
1948[15:11:19:14:41] <Dyanisus> besides waving the white flag?
1949[15:11:19:14:41] <Dyanisus> what do you, what does the left think we should do?
1950[15:11:19:14:41] <+xeno> Dyanisus: we're not waving the white flag
1951[15:11:19:14:42] <+modulus> Evening, cdes.
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1953[15:11:19:14:42] <BigRonnieRon> I think we should probably hold off on Syrian refugees until this ISIS thing blows over personally
1954[15:11:19:14:42] <girardux> they would have to have their memory wiped
1955[15:11:19:14:42] <Dyanisus> xeno, you do realise we can't survive without oil don't you?
1956[15:11:19:14:42] <Dyanisus> and even if oil was not involved
1957[15:11:19:14:43] <+xeno> Dyanisus: but I think that John Oliver actually had the right focus recently, when he joked about the Syria peace conference where everyone were so happy that all stakeholders were present - and it didn't have a single person from Syria
1958[15:11:19:14:43] <Dyanisus> those guys occupied spain......... hence the crusades
1959[15:11:19:14:43] <BigRonnieRon> Dyanisus: US is overproducing oil right now
1960[15:11:19:14:43] <Dyanisus> they sacked the christian constantinople
1961[15:11:19:14:43] <Dyanisus> came all the way up to austria........
1962[15:11:19:14:43] <BigRonnieRon> Hence the rock bottom oil/barrel prices
1963[15:11:19:14:43] <+xeno> Dyanisus: of course we can survive without oil... if we drink oil, we will die...
1964[15:11:19:14:43] <+modulus> not olive oil
1965[15:11:19:14:43] <+modulus> we'll just get the shits
1966[15:11:19:14:44] <BigRonnieRon> I better start getting dinner ready, bbl
1967[15:11:19:14:44] <+xeno> modulus: well, the strategic interest in the middle east is not over olive oil...
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1969[15:11:19:14:44] <+modulus> xeno - pretty sure it's not over oil drinking either
1970[15:11:19:14:44] <+xeno> modulus: true
1971[15:11:19:14:45] <+modulus> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/vagina-gun-woman-is-prison-bound-638295
1972[15:11:19:14:45] <gol> ^ Prison Ahead For Woman In Vagina Gun Case | The Smoking Gun
1973[15:11:19:14:45] <+xeno> bigbadjudas: so, have you reached the HQ of the Brotherhood of Steel yet?
1974[15:11:19:14:45] <+xeno> oh he left
1975[15:11:19:14:45] <+xeno> and my autocomplete failed
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1977[15:11:19:14:46] <+c|oe> Jared got 15 yrs and 8 months
1978[15:11:19:14:46] <+c|oe> hope the food is better in prison
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1980[15:11:19:14:46] <+c|oe> not.
1981[15:11:19:14:46] <+xeno> that was the Batman killer?
1982[15:11:19:14:47] <+c|oe> nope the subway guy
1983[15:11:19:14:47] <+xeno> damn, I don't remember him
1984[15:11:19:14:47] <+c|oe> child porn charges
1985[15:11:19:14:47] <+xeno> ah
1986[15:11:19:14:48] <_B_A_T_M_A_N_> xeno: yes
1987[15:11:19:14:48] <+xeno> since it was an american name,  I just figured it was likely one of the countless people stress testing guns
1988[15:11:19:14:50] <OMDPrebel> What's an American name?
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1990[15:11:19:14:50] <+xeno> good question
1991[15:11:19:14:51] <+justanotheruser> jared sentenced to 15 years
1992[15:11:19:14:51] <+justanotheruser> say bye to the jar bear
1993[15:11:19:14:51] <+justanotheruser> "Prosecutors laid out why his child porn conviction is so heinous ... there was an enormous amount of child porn in the various devices of Fogle and Russell Taylor, including 5.6 terabytes of data. There were 16 smart phones, 6 laptops, 22 DVDs, 159,634 text messages, 3,394 videos and 47,623 pictures."
1994[15:11:19:14:51] <NonSecwitter> Subway guy
1995[15:11:19:14:51] <NonSecwitter> ?
1996[15:11:19:14:52] <nullified> that is a fuck ton of porn
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1998[15:11:19:14:52] <girardux> wow 15 years, won't be getting anything under 18 for a while
1999[15:11:19:14:52] <+justanotheruser> yeah
2000[15:11:19:14:52] <nullified> even non-child nature standards, that is a fucking ton of porn
2001[15:11:19:14:52] <+justanotheruser> "I didn't think there was enough children in the world to make that much porn
2002[15:11:19:14:52] <+modulus> 16, SMSs? who the fuck is that, the Bank of England?
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2005[15:11:19:14:52] <+modulus> *160k
2006[15:11:19:14:52] <+elricsfate> There we are
2007[15:11:19:14:52] <+justanotheruser> yes
2008[15:11:19:14:52] <nullified> i bet he had it in 4k
2009[15:11:19:14:53] <nullified> purely the best for the man from subway
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2012[15:11:19:14:53] <+CosmicWitch> elricsfate is still quieted
2013[15:11:19:14:53] <+modulus> honestly i can't imagine how much dough 160k SMSs must cost
2014[15:11:19:14:53] <+justanotheruser> I can't imagine any reason for having that much porn unless they were distributing it
2015[15:11:19:14:53] <+modulus> but it must be *a lot*
2016[15:11:19:14:53] <nullified> justanotheruser^
2017[15:11:19:14:53] <+justanotheruser> in the land of the free you can get unlimited plans
2018[15:11:19:14:54] <+modulus> hmm
2019[15:11:19:14:54] <+justanotheruser> 5tb
2020[15:11:19:14:54] <nullified> well, idk, i know people on /r/datahoarders that just scrape all of the images from the various gone wild subreddits
2021[15:11:19:14:54] <nullified> i doubt they even view it
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2024[15:11:19:14:54] <+modulus> over the course of a year that would be 435 SMSs per DAY
2025[15:11:19:14:54] <+justanotheruser> I wonder how pornhubs dataset compares
2026[15:11:19:14:54] <+justanotheruser> jesus, wtf
2027[15:11:19:14:54] <OMDPrebel> disagree with quieting elricsfate but i'm disenfranchised. You know eventually the enfranchised end up all alone here agree with each other.
2028[15:11:19:14:54] <+justanotheruser> perhaps he was coordinating it?
2029[15:11:19:14:54] <+modulus> so approximately an SMS every 3 minutes, for a fucking year
2030[15:11:19:14:55] <nullified> unless they were automated*
2031[15:11:19:14:55] <+elricsfate> OMDPrebel, Did someone else suggest quieting me again?
2032[15:11:19:14:55] <nullified> maybe he had a decent 2 part auth setup
2033[15:11:19:14:55] <+elricsfate> I have a few people ignored
2034[15:11:19:14:55] <girardux> maybe they examined all that, 6 tb of porn too much for even pedos
2035[15:11:19:14:55] <+elricsfate> If not, I wouldn't worry about it
2036[15:11:19:14:55] <OMDPrebel> no,
2037[15:11:19:14:55] <+modulus> why do i see elricsfate
2038[15:11:19:14:55] <+modulus> aren't they supposed to be quieted?
2039[15:11:19:14:55] <+elricsfate> modulus, Because quiets last an hour, not a lifetime like you might hope
2040[15:11:19:14:55] <+justanotheruser> --fuor
2041[15:11:19:14:55] <+justanotheruser> --for
2042[15:11:19:14:56] <+CosmicWitch> yes modulus
2043[15:11:19:14:56] <+CosmicWitch> he parted and rejoined
2044[15:11:19:14:56] <+CosmicWitch> to get voice back and evade his quiet
2045[15:11:19:14:56] <+modulus> ahh
2046[15:11:19:14:56] <+modulus> !v unvoice elricsfate
2047[15:11:19:14:56] <+elricsfate> LOL
2048[15:11:19:14:56] <+modulus> !v devoice elricsfate
204905[15:11:19:14:56] -SPQF:##politics- Voting has started! Issue #728: devoice: elricsfate. You have 120 seconds to vote! Type or PM: !vote y 728 or !vote n 728
2050[15:11:19:14:56] <+justanotheruser> that doesn't do anything
2051[15:11:19:14:56] <+CosmicWitch> we could just do it manually
2052[15:11:19:14:56] <+justanotheruser> they can just leave and rejoin
2053[15:11:19:14:56] <+CosmicWitch> hes evading
2054[15:11:19:14:56] <+elricsfate> That's a lot of salt modulus
2055[15:11:19:14:56] <+CosmicWitch> !v y
2056[15:11:19:14:56] <+modulus> why, they have +V?
2057[15:11:19:14:57] <+CosmicWitch> yes they have +V
2058[15:11:19:14:57] <+justanotheruser> oh, maybe not
2059[15:11:19:14:57] <+CosmicWitch> !v y 728
2060[15:11:19:14:57] <nullified> !v y 728
2061[15:11:19:14:57] <+justanotheruser> yes, he does
2062[15:11:19:14:57] <+CosmicWitch> since hes abusing his privilege, maybe he shouldnt have +V
2063[15:11:19:14:57] <nullified> lol enfranchised
2064[15:11:19:14:57] <+modulus> this is the secondary problem of using +v for voting rights
2065[15:11:19:14:57] <+modulus> during a quiet the bot should remove +v
2066[15:11:19:14:57] <+elricsfate> modulus, They did
2067[15:11:19:14:57] <+elricsfate> The quiet is over
2068[15:11:19:14:57] <+elricsfate> It's been over an hour
2069[15:11:19:14:58] <+CosmicWitch> its not over
2070[15:11:19:14:58] <+CosmicWitch> its still active
2071[15:11:19:14:58] <+modulus> it's not over, elricsfate
2072[15:11:19:14:58] <+CosmicWitch> when its over it gets removed
2073[15:11:19:14:58] <+CosmicWitch> you need to learn your lesson
2074[15:11:19:14:58] <+elricsfate> Uh, did it happen over an hour ago? The rules dictate that a vote quiet lasts for an hour
2075[15:11:19:14:58] <+modulus> they do not
2076[15:11:19:14:58] <+CosmicWitch> no they dont
207705[15:11:19:14:58] -SPQF:##politics- #728: Failed to reach a quorum: 2 of 3 required.
2078[15:11:19:14:58] <+justanotheruser> 15:55 -!- ##politics q $a:elricsfate ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 1447959550
2079[15:11:19:14:58] <+CosmicWitch> im going to devoice you to bring you into compliance elricsfate
208002[15:11:19:14:59] * +modulus supports
208115[15:11:19:14:59] * ChanServ sets mode: +o CosmicWitch
208215[15:11:19:14:59] * CosmicWitch sets mode: -v elricsfate
2083[15:11:19:14:59] <+modulus> proceduralism must triumph
2084[15:11:19:14:59] <@CosmicWitch> thank you for chosing politics, this has been a compliance action request
208502[15:11:19:14:59] * +modulus bows to CosmicWitch 
208602[15:11:19:14:59] * @CosmicWitch respectfully titters @ modulus 
208715[15:11:19:14:59] * CosmicWitch sets mode: -o CosmicWitch
2088[15:11:19:14:59] <+modulus> justanotheruser: it's pretty senseless for bot to not remove +V on quieted people
2089[15:11:19:15:00] <+modulus> not necessarily forever but at least during the quiet
2090[15:11:19:15:00] <+justanotheruser> edge case
2091[15:11:19:15:00] <+justanotheruser> jzk: todo
2092[15:11:19:15:00] <+CosmicWitch> elricsfate, if you have questions please go to ##politics-appeal
2093[15:11:19:15:00] <+CosmicWitch> thanks for your concern
2094[15:11:19:15:00] <+CosmicWitch> :)
2095[15:11:19:15:01] <+justanotheruser> https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/home
2096[15:11:19:15:01] <+justanotheruser> $60/year for unlimited storage
2097[15:11:19:15:01] <gol> ^ Amazon Cloud Drive: Cloud Storage - Online Backup
209802[15:11:19:15:01] * +justanotheruser uploads petabites of noise
2099[15:11:19:15:01] <+justanotheruser> bytes
2100[15:11:19:15:01] <+modulus> how unlimited is unlimited?
2101[15:11:19:15:01] <+justanotheruser> tough to tell!
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2103[15:11:19:15:02] <+modulus> 5 USDper month seems pretty cheap
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210515[15:11:19:15:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +v elricsfate
2106[15:11:19:15:02] <+CosmicWitch> wow dude
2107[15:11:19:15:02] <+modulus> oh ffs
210815[15:11:19:15:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +o modulus
2109[15:11:19:15:02] <+CosmicWitch> ooooo snap
2110[15:11:19:15:02] <+elricsfate> modulus, My quiet was over an hour ago
2111[15:11:19:15:02] <+elricsfate> Why are you trying to quiet me again?
211215[15:11:19:15:02] * modulus sets mode: +b $a:elricsfate
211315[15:11:19:15:02] * elricsfate was kicked by modulus (learn to comply with procedure)
211415[15:11:19:15:03] * modulus sets mode: -o modulus
2115[15:11:19:15:03] <+modulus> so yeah where were we
2116[15:11:19:15:04] <+CosmicWitch> I really hope he goes to the appeal channel, I have a routine I wanna try on him
2117[15:11:19:15:05] <+CosmicWitch> hes in there btw modulus :o
2118[15:11:19:15:06] <+modulus> https://theintercept.com/2015/11/19/former-drone-operators-say-they-were-horrified-by-cruelty-of-assassination-program/
2119[15:11:19:15:06] <+modulus> CosmicWitch: lol
2120[15:11:19:15:06] <+modulus> don't you know you shouldn't play with your food? ;-)
2121[15:11:19:15:06] <+CosmicWitch> x3
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2123[15:11:19:15:07] <+justanotheruser> https://imgur.com/a/3aTvj
2124[15:11:19:15:07] <+pnint2> kish?
2125[15:11:19:15:07] <gol> ^ Home Server with 20 Hot Swap Bays - Album on Imgur
2126[15:11:19:15:09] <+modulus> kish was around earlier
2127[15:11:19:15:09] <+modulus> how goes, pnint2 ?
2128[15:11:19:15:11] <+pnint2> fine, just annoyed with people
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2130[15:11:19:15:12] <+pnint2> wbu modulus