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1[2019/06/27 17:31]  JohnXi: Hey man.  How you feel about the idea of me adding "Krafties co-founder, but no longer affiliated" to my profile.  I think it would push this Limbo game out there because I'm requesting money permissions but I understand if you're not comfortable with it, I ain't been here for many years?
2[2019/06/27 17:34]  JohnXi: I know it's awkward, I'd make it very clear I'm nothing to do with it
3[2019/06/27 17:34]  JohnXi: And if people asked anything, idk
4[2019/06/27 17:35]  JohnXi: It's gonna be tough asking these people for money permissions others
5[2019/06/27 17:36]  JohnXi: otherwise
6[2019/07/04 15:54]  JohnXi: I've been researching alot about all this gaming in SL now.  It's changed alot..
7[2019/07/04 15:55]  JohnXi: Only authorized creators can make skill games now if they pay out L$ and only authorized operators can run them, also it costs a fortune in attorneys.  Then LL take a % of your revenue per quarter.  It's shocking lol
8[2019/07/04 15:56]  JohnXi: Also these states are banned completely from dealing with any of it: Arizona
9 Arkansas
10 Delaware
11 Florida
12 Kentucky
13 Louisiana
14 Maryland
15 Nevada
16 South Carolina
17 South Dakota
18 Tennessee
19[2019/07/04 15:56]  JohnXi: I remember you was from Arizona
20[2019/07/04 15:58]  JohnXi: I've found an SL attorney who does it for L$180k per title for creator, but then it's L$120k per 5 titles for operating.  Then it's $350/mth to LL for gaming sim rental.  It's crazy.
21[2019/07/04 16:09]  JohnXi: Think is, it clearly says in law reverse auction is perfectly legal, so I'm going to run with it.  If there's any discrepancy then I will worry about attorneys
22[2019/07/04 17:11]  JohnXi: From what I've learned.  It's borderline for L$ to L$ payout.  A reverse auction for L$ to L$ has never been done.  I think an attorney could validate it legal, or even become an authorized games creator with an attorney approval, which I found does all the currrent game creators and operators.  But it's a massive headache.  If energy was the payout then it would be perfectly legal.  I'm probably going to scrap the idea lol
23[2019/07/04 19:07]  JohnXi: Hey, you around?
24[2019/07/04 19:09]  JohnXi: We'll have to try and find a time we're both around.  Wanna hear your thoughts on this game I'm working on.
25[2019/07/04 19:09]  JohnXi: Didn't realize how much the gaming thing changed in SL since I was last here, seems nuts now
26[2019/07/11 16:31]  JohnXi: Hey, I'm around.. Hit me up if you're around today, had a few ideas I've been juggling
27[2019/07/11 16:34]  JohnXi: along with limbo, i've been thinking about making a few contest things and energy pools.  i know you're busy lol if you get time, let me know
28[2019/07/11 16:36]  JohnXi: im interested in making a bunch of stuff as third party, and I think it can help us both.  been thinking about some ideas and wanna pass them by you.  dont really wanna spend time making these things if you're not comfortable with any of em
29[2019/07/11 16:54]  JohnXi: with the energy API is there anyway to give energy to a player key?  if not is that safe and easy to add?
30[2019/07/11 16:55]  JohnXi: or would there be a reason you haven't added it?
31[2019/07/11 17:02]  JohnXi: I think I'll just release Limbo this weekend using capsules and go from there.  If you want to try work something out or you're not comfortable with limbo using energy then just hit me up
32[2019/07/11 17:04]  JohnXi: I'll send you a capsule with all my energy from dev, and start fresh 0E
33[2019/07/11 17:04]  Second Life: Inventory item 'Krafties Energy Capsule v4.0 - 1079E' offered
34[2019/07/11 20:55]  Krafties Resident: (Saved Fri Jul 12 04:25:15 2019)Hey man, was afk most of the day. I'm open to expanding the API, but I've thought about it and I think we need to make some separations very clear and lay them out in a way that will protect Krafties. I want to help you out with this, and I think it could be beneficial for Krafties as well, but I really don't want your prior relationship with Krafties to cause any issues down the road. It's a tricky situation but I think that some sort of contract, or maybe even an email exchange, will make me feel better about an arrangement. If you're not comfortable with that you're still free to use the APIs, and I can give you an API key (not sure if the Energy API requires one yet), but I wouldn't be comfortable tailoring things to suit your use cases.
35[2019/07/11 20:55]  Krafties Resident: (Saved Fri Jul 12 04:26:27 2019)I think the reason I haven't added in the ability to send energy from the API is because it would require some sort of permissions system, otherwise people could pass objects out to people that depleted their energy without them knowing. It was beyond the scope of work I wanted to put in, and wasn't sure if it would get much use
36[2019/07/11 21:01]  JohnXi: Yeah i gathered that, I think it would be cool if you either gave us a unique token
37[2019/07/11 21:02]  JohnXi: i dont want special treatment kris
38[2019/07/11 21:06]  JohnXi: I feel awkward as hell coming back after these years, people know me
39[2019/07/11 21:06]  JohnXi: but i want to do this kris
40[2019/07/11 21:07]  JohnXi: krafties players try to tell me and i support you
41[2019/07/11 21:08]  JohnXi: we should talk, because im doing this anyway with capsules or api
42[2019/07/11 21:08]  JohnXi: i think it would be so cool and im a 3rd party
43[2019/07/11 21:09]  JohnXi: you should come and look at this limbo man
44[2019/07/11 21:12]  JohnXi: the way i see it now kris, we have 2 different roles
45[2019/07/11 21:12]  JohnXi: my job is to sell energy, your job is to maintain the market
46[2019/07/11 21:12]  JohnXi: i aint gonna sell energy until it's worth nothing here
47[2019/07/11 21:13]  JohnXi: id rather freeplay my machines
48[2019/07/11 21:13]  JohnXi: we can do this
49[2019/07/11 21:14]  JohnXi: we need to work together, end of story
50[2019/07/11 21:14]  JohnXi: theres no way im gonna be responsible for making krafties energy worth nothing
51[2019/07/11 21:15]  JohnXi: i think with your api you should make a token or or you choose who you want on board
52[2019/07/11 21:16]  JohnXi: and if you choose me on board, it's gonna look so shifty
53[2019/07/11 21:16]  JohnXi: and in future who do you choose to give a token
54[2019/07/11 21:17]  JohnXi: i think keep it how it is, let me be a 3rd party and see where it goes
55[2019/07/11 21:17]  JohnXi: you get energy regardless
56[2019/07/11 21:18]  JohnXi: all the old kraftie contacts want something new, i think keep it like that
57[2019/07/11 21:19]  JohnXi: unless you got any better ideas
58[2019/07/11 21:20]  JohnXi: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Mount%20Olympus/160/179/599
59[2019/07/11 21:20]  JohnXi: come see man
60[2019/07/11 21:21]  JohnXi: i started this shit with you remember, im not them
61[2019/07/11 21:22]  JohnXi: come see
62[2019/07/11 21:24]  JohnXi: lets do an email contract, lets do something
63[2019/07/11 21:26]  JohnXi: I'm doing this with or without your help Kris, I'd prefer we work with each other man
64[2019/07/11 21:27]  JohnXi: it'll be like 2 tides colliding when we meet, we both get nowhere
65[2019/07/11 22:16]  JohnXi: do you speak to celeste much?
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67[2019/07/11 22:23]  Krafties Resident: The other APIs we have right now already require an API key from us, we just give them out to whoever but it gives the ability to deactivate third party items by creator from the database
68[2019/07/11 22:23]  Krafties Resident: I think the energy API is older though, and it hasn't gotten the API key integration if I remember correctly
69[2019/07/11 22:24]  Krafties Resident: I don't  talk to Celeste much, pretty sure she and someone from her crew left some really shitty reviews on some business website tied to Krafties, with my personal info attached
70[2019/07/11 22:25]  Krafties Resident: Between that and you attacking me within the same time frame I almost quit Krafties altogether
71[2019/07/11 22:25]  Krafties Resident: Came down with some serious health issues due to stress
72[2019/07/11 22:26]  Krafties Resident: Which is why I'd like to manage this properly and take it slowly, I just can't deal with the stress of half solid deals and unknowns anymore
73[2019/07/11 22:39]  Krafties Resident: Gonna eat something small and lay down, time for bed here
74[2019/07/11 22:44]  JohnXi: I think an md5 hash 2 way krafties energy api would be badass
75[2019/07/11 22:45]  JohnXi: it could go either way, but it would be damn interesting to see where it would go
76[2019/07/11 22:45]  JohnXi: end of the day they gotta buy the energy from you
77[2019/07/11 22:46]  JohnXi: i even thought about with limbo, making a bot that comes to your sim buys a capsule, buys energy, tops it up, drop the capsule in the delivery server
78[2019/07/11 22:47]  JohnXi: why should i have to watch 24/7 man
79[2019/07/11 22:47]  JohnXi: its so simple to for you to do it
80[2019/07/11 22:49]  JohnXi: i cant watch limbo 24/7 and as soon as the integrity is gone, ill end up losing money
81[2019/07/11 22:49]  JohnXi: i want to to do this man, i have so many fresh ideas
82[2019/07/11 22:53]  JohnXi: celeste has nothing but shit to say about you, im on the outside i think she was always the shit
83[2019/07/11 22:53]  JohnXi: she was the first person to try and hack us, she was booshies number 1 sponsor
84[2019/07/11 22:54]  JohnXi: cant believe she stuck around this long.
85[2019/07/11 22:54]  Krafties Resident: Yeah, it seems like you've gotten a lot done quickly. I just can't move as fast as you, I have  7 years of old luggage I'm tied to now.
86[2019/07/11 22:54]  Krafties Resident: What's Celeste saying now?
87[2019/07/11 22:55]  JohnXi: same crap different day, that's what's shes saying
88[2019/07/11 22:55]  JohnXi: she hates your fishing
89[2019/07/11 22:56]  JohnXi: so gay
90[2019/07/11 22:56]  JohnXi: she hates anything new that dont make make the old folk richer
91[2019/07/11 22:56]  JohnXi: typical celeste
92[2019/07/11 22:57]  Krafties Resident: Yeah... honestly they're wearing me down
93[2019/07/11 22:57]  JohnXi: i think i found the middle ground here
94[2019/07/11 22:57]  JohnXi: im the outsider
95[2019/07/11 22:58]  Krafties Resident: I've spent the last 7 years feeling obligated to them
96[2019/07/11 22:58]  JohnXi: f that
97[2019/07/11 22:58]  JohnXi: ive gone and conquered google play mate
98[2019/07/11 22:58]  JohnXi: look at me
99[2019/07/11 22:58]  JohnXi: so easy
100[2019/07/11 22:59]  JohnXi: i dont feel obligated to anyone
101[2019/07/11 22:59]  JohnXi: this is life man
102[2019/07/11 23:00]  JohnXi: i left my mrs for krafties, this is life
103[2019/07/11 23:00]  JohnXi: funny looking back, when she tried to screw me
104[2019/07/11 23:01]  JohnXi: so cool
105[2019/07/11 23:01]  JohnXi: our community looked after me that day
106[2019/07/11 23:02]  JohnXi: i just shrugged it off lol
107[2019/07/11 23:03]  JohnXi: i think if the the krafties community wouldve jumped ship, i wouldnt be here today lol
108[2019/07/11 23:04]  JohnXi: man, krafties made so many people get married,  thats worth something
109[2019/07/11 23:05]  JohnXi: we the secret cupids lol
110[2019/07/11 23:06]  JohnXi: i spose thats life as a game designer eh
111[2019/07/11 23:07]  Krafties Resident: It's a weird life for sure
112[2019/07/11 23:07]  JohnXi: yeah
113[2019/07/11 23:07]  JohnXi: i think it would be great you endorse me
114[2019/07/11 23:08]  JohnXi: nothing to be ashamed of, players will trust me
115[2019/07/11 23:08]  JohnXi: we aint trusting no one else
116[2019/07/11 23:08]  Krafties Resident: Give me some time to really consider it please
117[2019/07/11 23:09]  JohnXi: yeah
118[2019/07/11 23:09]  JohnXi: sleep on it it
119[2019/07/11 23:10]  Krafties Resident: I've been working on this for 7 years now, and I can't tell exactly why but it feels off
120[2019/07/11 23:10]  JohnXi: hey
121[2019/07/11 23:11]  Krafties Resident: I want to help you out since the skill gaming thing doesn't look good
122[2019/07/11 23:11]  JohnXi: i would not fuck this us, you best believe this
123[2019/07/11 23:11]  JohnXi: to me, it feels like when we released
124[2019/07/11 23:12]  Krafties Resident: But I really just have to think about it from every angle. I said we might be able to do something but wasn't sure what, and was definitely thinking something small
125[2019/07/11 23:12]  JohnXi: same shitty feeling, borrowing money for sims
126[2019/07/11 23:12]  JohnXi: you've got alot more to lose than me
127[2019/07/11 23:13]  JohnXi: but man my legacy is on the line here
128[2019/07/11 23:13]  JohnXi: if we get over the the drift, and accept we're the best
129[2019/07/11 23:13]  JohnXi: then we can talk technically
130[2019/07/11 23:14]  JohnXi: it's that simple
131[2019/07/11 23:14]  Krafties Resident: It's not that simple
132[2019/07/11 23:14]  JohnXi: why not?
133[2019/07/11 23:14]  Krafties Resident: It won't be that simple for a long time, maybe never
134[2019/07/11 23:14]  JohnXi: ok
135[2019/07/11 23:14]  JohnXi: well then I've gotta do capsules
136[2019/07/11 23:15]  Krafties Resident: I like you, and I respect you, but this past year definitely gave me some trust issues
137[2019/07/11 23:15]  JohnXi: bs
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139[2019/07/11 23:17]  Krafties Resident: What if you add a credit system into limbo, so people are playing for limbo credits which they accumulate in their avatar accounts. Then you'll have the option to exchange them for whatever in some sort of gift shop
140[2019/07/11 23:17]  Krafties Resident: That would open the door for capsule exchanges, or a 1 to 1 conversion to energy if we can work something out
141[2019/07/11 23:17]  Krafties Resident: and also make it so you can approach other creators in SL, or other game systems
142[2019/07/11 23:18]  Krafties Resident: It would be a layer that lets you expand and integrate easily with other systems as well as Krafties, and would make me a bit more comfortable since it's not a 1 to 1 direct link to Krafties energy
143[2019/07/11 23:19]  JohnXi: wouldnt i have done that with krafties already?
144[2019/07/11 23:20]  JohnXi: i fucking would if i wanted to..
145[2019/07/11 23:20]  Krafties Resident: Done what with Krafties?
146[2019/07/11 23:20]  JohnXi: a door to open limbo to some next guy
147[2019/07/11 23:21]  Krafties Resident: I'm confused, what do you mean?
148[2019/07/11 23:21]  JohnXi: im running of 50/50 steam with krafties addons i fully understand this
149[2019/07/11 23:22]  JohnXi: if i fuck this up then krafties gone, regardless of my profile
150[2019/07/11 23:22]  JohnXi: but i think this is worth it man
151[2019/07/11 23:22]  Krafties Resident: Why is krafties gone if you fuck it up?
152[2019/07/11 23:22]  JohnXi: trillion percent
153[2019/07/11 23:23]  Krafties Resident: That kind of talk is definitely scaring me
154[2019/07/11 23:23]  JohnXi: krafties aint gonna fuck me up, i got nothing to lose
155[2019/07/11 23:23]  JohnXi: i already smashed middle america
156[2019/07/11 23:24]  Krafties Resident: I offered to work with you to be nice and try to mend the relationship man, but please be conscious of that
157[2019/07/11 23:24]  JohnXi: hey
158[2019/07/11 23:24]  JohnXi: cmon
159[2019/07/11 23:24]  JohnXi: i aint here for money kris, i'm sorted
160[2019/07/11 23:24]  Krafties Resident: You keep saying things like how you have nothing to lose and Krafties will be gone
161[2019/07/11 23:25]  Krafties Resident: It's making me uncomfortable
162[2019/07/11 23:25]  JohnXi: ok
163[2019/07/11 23:25]  JohnXi: how do we strap a deal here
164[2019/07/11 23:26]  JohnXi: i think if we dont do a deal we both win regardless
165[2019/07/11 23:26]  JohnXi: you get energy i get 10%, 100%
166[2019/07/11 23:26]  Krafties Resident: I asked for time, and the credit system which I think will benefit you as well
167[2019/07/11 23:27]  Krafties Resident: This month is incredibly stressful for me
168[2019/07/11 23:27]  JohnXi: would you promote limbo for 33% + full energy sales?
169[2019/07/11 23:27]  JohnXi: i think you should man
170[2019/07/11 23:27]  Krafties Resident: And I really just can't move as fast as you can with limbo right now
171[2019/07/11 23:27]  JohnXi: its 100% fair
172[2019/07/11 23:27]  Krafties Resident: I know you think I should lol
173[2019/07/11 23:28]  JohnXi: you get all the energy
174[2019/07/11 23:28]  JohnXi: i get 10%
175[2019/07/11 23:28]  JohnXi: i gotta work harder than you
176[2019/07/11 23:29]  Krafties Resident: But I really do have to think on it, if something goes wrong or if you get upset again...
177[2019/07/11 23:29]  Krafties Resident: It's risky man
178[2019/07/11 23:29]  JohnXi: ok
179[2019/07/11 23:29]  JohnXi: yeah it's tough
180[2019/07/11 23:29]  JohnXi: just remember, i left my 50%
181[2019/07/11 23:29]  Krafties Resident: Just let me think, and please don't make this your only option
182[2019/07/11 23:29]  JohnXi: it's not
183[2019/07/11 23:29]  JohnXi: im doing this with or without krafties
184[2019/07/11 23:30]  Krafties Resident: Yeah, I think doing limbo credits would let you expand to wherever you want
185[2019/07/11 23:30]  JohnXi: we'll see where it goes
186[2019/07/11 23:30]  Krafties Resident: Or something similar
187[2019/07/11 23:31]  JohnXi: i hope it goes krafties, that's the least i deserve
188[2019/07/11 23:31]  Krafties Resident: The least you deserve?
189[2019/07/11 23:31]  Krafties Resident: Come on man...
190[2019/07/11 23:31]  JohnXi: think about it man
191[2019/07/11 23:32]  Krafties Resident: Are we really going to do this again? I thought we had mended this, or were at least trying to
192[2019/07/11 23:32]  JohnXi: tuesday im releasing
193[2019/07/11 23:32]  Krafties Resident: I wanted to have at least a good personal relationship with you
194[2019/07/11 23:32]  JohnXi: we do man
195[2019/07/11 23:32]  Krafties Resident: I shouldn't have even said anything
196[2019/07/11 23:33]  JohnXi: ah i guess they got the best of me in the end
197[2019/07/11 23:33]  JohnXi: hey man, listen i swear
198[2019/07/11 23:34]  JohnXi: the limbo im about to release is so lightyears ahead of what is in sl
199[2019/07/11 23:34]  JohnXi: its crazy
200[2019/07/11 23:35]  JohnXi: wait until you see it
201[2019/07/11 23:35]  Krafties Resident: This entire time, I haven't once even asked about quality, asked to see pictures or even try it. That's not what's important to me in this deal
202[2019/07/11 23:35]  Krafties Resident: Not even close
203[2019/07/11 23:35]  JohnXi: ya
204[2019/07/11 23:36]  JohnXi: you know me by now, i fkin made krafties
205[2019/07/11 23:36]  JohnXi: i brought you off the god god damn street when you got a hernia
206[2019/07/11 23:36]  JohnXi: i remember
207[2019/07/11 23:36]  JohnXi: happy?
208[2019/07/11 23:37]  JohnXi: forget that shit
209[2019/07/11 23:39]  Krafties Resident: The most important thing I care about in any potential deal we could potentially have is a solid understanding of our relationship
210[2019/07/11 23:39]  JohnXi: the one thing that stuck with me was when we was working to the same common common goal and we both saw the moon
211[2019/07/11 23:40]  JohnXi: regardless of whether you was in AZ and im in UK
212[2019/07/11 23:40]  Krafties Resident: We had good times man, I remember them fondly
213[2019/07/11 23:40]  JohnXi: thats what i remember
214[2019/07/11 23:40]  JohnXi: 2012 olympics uk
215[2019/07/11 23:40]  Krafties Resident: But there's a lot more that happened as well
216[2019/07/11 23:40]  JohnXi: so what
217[2019/07/11 23:41]  Krafties Resident: I just need to know that you understand that
218[2019/07/11 23:41]  JohnXi: you're telling me like i aint conquered middle america in the meantime
219[2019/07/11 23:42]  JohnXi: same shit, different day
220[2019/07/11 23:42]  Krafties Resident: If you really think you deserve this, like I owe a debt to you, then we're not on the same page. I was trying to do something nice for you because of the fond memories I have, not because I feel bad or obligated
221[2019/07/11 23:42]  JohnXi: no
222[2019/07/11 23:42]  Krafties Resident: I'm proud of what you did with thrive island, and I know it wasn't easy
223[2019/07/11 23:42]  JohnXi: gah
224[2019/07/11 23:42]  JohnXi: this is crazy
225[2019/07/11 23:42]  JohnXi: serious
226[2019/07/11 23:43]  JohnXi: i think what you should do
227[2019/07/11 23:43]  JohnXi: dont give out md5 free willy nilly
228[2019/07/11 23:44]  JohnXi: endorsed keys
229[2019/07/11 23:44]  JohnXi: i dont endorse anyone who aint worthy of it
230[2019/07/11 23:44]  JohnXi: lets see who asks
231[2019/07/11 23:45]  JohnXi: i bet no one
232[2019/07/11 23:45]  Krafties Resident: I already give out API keys, that's not an issue
233[2019/07/11 23:45]  JohnXi: kris, i tell you a secret
234[2019/07/11 23:45]  JohnXi: you know that first API  i made with the healing thing
235[2019/07/11 23:46]  JohnXi: i paid bar barfella out my out pocket to get that going
236[2019/07/11 23:46]  JohnXi: im sure you knew lol
237[2019/07/11 23:47]  Krafties Resident: name sounds familiar, not sure if I knew that or not
238[2019/07/11 23:48]  JohnXi: after he made a hud, they all did
239[2019/07/11 23:48]  Krafties Resident: Anyway, do you at least kind of see where I'm coming from?
240[2019/07/11 23:48]  JohnXi: top 3 krafties huds were lazy
241[2019/07/11 23:48]  JohnXi: yes i do
242[2019/07/11 23:49]  Krafties Resident: I'm not talking about products or deals, I'm talking about you and me
243[2019/07/11 23:49]  Krafties Resident: If someone else approached me with this, it would be a very different conversation
244[2019/07/11 23:49]  JohnXi: but do you see where im coming from?
245[2019/07/11 23:49]  JohnXi: same here
246[2019/07/11 23:50]  Krafties Resident: I see that you've come back after being away for years and are trying to make a new product
247[2019/07/11 23:50]  JohnXi: ive got nothing to prove at this point
248[2019/07/11 23:50]  Krafties Resident: One that I'm excited for and hope it goes well
249[2019/07/11 23:51]  JohnXi: ive accomplished my dreams
250[2019/07/11 23:51]  Krafties Resident: Good :)
251[2019/07/11 23:51]  JohnXi: ty
252[2019/07/11 23:52]  JohnXi: i think i got an idea to turn krafties on its head
253[2019/07/11 23:52]  Krafties Resident: So then if I'm not comfortable with this it will be alright with you? It's not going to set you back financially if limbo doesn't work out?
254[2019/07/11 23:52]  Krafties Resident: I'm not saying I'm not, but hypothetically
255[2019/07/11 23:53]  JohnXi: well i think you can help me promote this deal
256[2019/07/11 23:53]  JohnXi: i really think so
257[2019/07/11 23:53]  Krafties Resident: That's not what I'm asking though
258[2019/07/11 23:53]  Krafties Resident: I have to assess the risk
259[2019/07/11 23:53]  JohnXi: yeah
260[2019/07/11 23:54]  JohnXi: assess this risk
261[2019/07/11 23:54]  JohnXi: have i let you down in 7 years?
262[2019/07/11 23:54]  Krafties Resident: I don't want to get your hoes up and then back out, and have you hate me for it
263[2019/07/11 23:54]  Krafties Resident: hopes*
264[2019/07/11 23:54]  Krafties Resident: yes... you did
265[2019/07/11 23:54]  JohnXi: when i left you?
266[2019/07/11 23:55]  JohnXi: i learned from that
267[2019/07/11 23:55]  Krafties Resident: No, when you messaged me out of the blue and made me question everything I'd done for the past 6 years
268[2019/07/11 23:55]  JohnXi: ah yeah
269[2019/07/11 23:55]  JohnXi: well then thats the risk you're gonna have to take
270[2019/07/11 23:56]  Krafties Resident: If that's your response then I don't think I want to take that risk
271[2019/07/11 23:56]  Krafties Resident: sorry man
272[2019/07/11 23:56]  JohnXi: i dunno what to say to that
273[2019/07/11 23:57]  JohnXi: i know in my heart whats right and people ask me why i bother with you
274[2019/07/11 23:57]  JohnXi: but its in my heart
275[2019/07/11 23:57]  Krafties Resident: Why you bother with me?
276[2019/07/11 23:58]  JohnXi: yeah people ask me why i should bother with krafties
277[2019/07/11 23:58]  JohnXi: i just love it, its hard to explain
278[2019/07/11 23:58]  Krafties Resident: Who are these people? And why are they talking about this in the firsts place?
279[2019/07/11 23:58]  Krafties Resident: first*
280[2019/07/11 23:59]  JohnXi: the same people who saw me make micropetz, brightets, krafties, thrive island
281[2019/07/12 00:00]  JohnXi: they say to me, why you care about krafties, you just clapped 20m downloads
282[2019/07/12 00:00]  JohnXi: just care
283[2019/07/12 00:00]  Krafties Resident: Well, if you think that you're doing this to help me then that's actually good.I thought I was doing this to help you, so we're even lol. Hopefully those can cancel each other out and we can move on
284[2019/07/12 00:01]  JohnXi: im doing this for me now
285[2019/07/12 00:01]  JohnXi: you get the 1000L, i get 10%
286[2019/07/12 00:02]  JohnXi: if anything, im doing this for krafties
287[2019/07/12 00:02]  JohnXi: lets make this clear
288[2019/07/12 00:02]  JohnXi: im not doing this for you lol
289[2019/07/12 00:03]  JohnXi: thats the deal
290[2019/07/12 00:04]  Krafties Resident: Sorry man, I wasn't in it for the business deal to begin with. Just brought it up to try and see if I could help out a friend
291[2019/07/12 00:04]  JohnXi: you get the energy, i get the 10%, but im not doing this for you. understood?
292[2019/07/12 00:05]  Krafties Resident: But it's looking too risky right now with how you're communicating
293[2019/07/12 00:05]  JohnXi: u reckon?
294[2019/07/12 00:05]  Krafties Resident: Yes
295[2019/07/12 00:05]  Krafties Resident: The deal isn't the risk, the system or the integration isn't the risk
296[2019/07/12 00:05]  JohnXi: its me, yeah
297[2019/07/12 00:05]  Krafties Resident: You're the risk I would be taking
298[2019/07/12 00:05]  JohnXi: ofc
299[2019/07/12 00:06]  JohnXi: mn
300[2019/07/12 00:06]  JohnXi: man
301[2019/07/12 00:07]  Krafties Resident: It's not an outright no, but I need certain things to protect this
302[2019/07/12 00:07]  JohnXi: you should try me kris
303[2019/07/12 00:08]  JohnXi: have i ever let you down?
304[2019/07/12 00:08]  JohnXi: never
305[2019/07/12 00:08]  Krafties Resident: You implementing a gift shop with the possibility of other items being exchanged for as well would ease my mind, because then it's not a 100% L$ to krafties energy
306[2019/07/12 00:08]  Krafties Resident: It's L$ to a variety of products, including krafties energy
307[2019/07/12 00:08]  Krafties Resident: You DID John
308[2019/07/12 00:08]  JohnXi: u pissed me off kris
309[2019/07/12 00:08]  Krafties Resident: You fucking stressed me out so much my immune system shut down
310[2019/07/12 00:09]  JohnXi: id sold my game, i proved i was the best and i thought fuck it
311[2019/07/12 00:09]  JohnXi: lets crack at krafties
312[2019/07/12 00:09]  JohnXi: thats what happened
313[2019/07/12 00:10]  Krafties Resident: And you don't see why I would be extremely worried about working with you after that?
314[2019/07/12 00:10]  JohnXi: if i wanted to fuck krafties under the bus, i wouldve done it years ago
315[2019/07/12 00:11]  JohnXi: im here to save the day now
316[2019/07/12 00:11]  Krafties Resident: When you say things like that, it makes me want to do it less and less
317[2019/07/12 00:11]  JohnXi: ah fack
318[2019/07/12 00:11]  JohnXi: but it's true
319[2019/07/12 00:12]  JohnXi: well heres the deal krafties
320[2019/07/12 00:13]  JohnXi: i think you promote me on your sim L$1499
321[2019/07/12 00:13]  JohnXi: 33% to you, + 10%
322[2019/07/12 00:13]  JohnXi: i think krafties deserves 44%
323[2019/07/12 00:14]  JohnXi: after that, i cba
324[2019/07/12 00:14]  JohnXi: 500 you, 1000 me
325[2019/07/12 00:14]  JohnXi: and you get 10% + 100% energy
326[2019/07/12 00:15]  Krafties Resident: The numbers are solid John
327[2019/07/12 00:15]  JohnXi: such a click deal
328[2019/07/12 00:15]  Krafties Resident: But you're kind of ignoring what I'm trying to say
329[2019/07/12 00:15]  JohnXi: u gotta place it at the spinner for then numbers though
330[2019/07/12 00:16]  JohnXi: i aint paying 33% to be at the back of the sim
331[2019/07/12 00:16]  Krafties Resident: Here's the deal
332[2019/07/12 00:16]  Krafties Resident: Think about what I've said
333[2019/07/12 00:16]  JohnXi: i did
334[2019/07/12 00:16]  Krafties Resident: Think more
335[2019/07/12 00:16]  Krafties Resident: and then please
336[2019/07/12 00:16]  JohnXi: ok ill think more
337[2019/07/12 00:16]  Krafties Resident: Talk to me like there's some sort of mutual respect here
338[2019/07/12 00:17]  JohnXi: its right there kris
339[2019/07/12 00:17]  Krafties Resident: And try to alleviate the worries I have
340[2019/07/12 00:17]  Krafties Resident: With the issues I've brought up
341[2019/07/12 00:17]  Krafties Resident: I can't tell you how to do it
342[2019/07/12 00:17]  Krafties Resident: But I've told you what they arer
343[2019/07/12 00:18]  Krafties Resident: It's not about the product, or the numbers
344[2019/07/12 00:18]  Krafties Resident: Human to human first
345[2019/07/12 00:18]  Krafties Resident: then business after
346[2019/07/12 00:18]  JohnXi: you cant believe im giving you 100% energy, thats your problem
347[2019/07/12 00:18]  JohnXi: its so simple
348[2019/07/12 00:18]  Krafties Resident: No lol
349[2019/07/12 00:18]  JohnXi: yes
350[2019/07/12 00:18]  Krafties Resident: It's really not
351[2019/07/12 00:18]  JohnXi: what then?
352[2019/07/12 00:19]  Krafties Resident: Dude
353[2019/07/12 00:19]  Krafties Resident: I'm barely even registering what the deal you're making is
354[2019/07/12 00:19]  Krafties Resident: Because of what happened last year
355[2019/07/12 00:19]  JohnXi: you get 100% energy
356[2019/07/12 00:20]  JohnXi: i add 20% on top of it
357[2019/07/12 00:20]  JohnXi: 10% for me, 10% for the market
358[2019/07/12 00:20]  Krafties Resident: How many times can I say  I don't care about the numbers right now?
359[2019/07/12 00:20]  JohnXi: celeste 10%
360[2019/07/12 00:20]  Krafties Resident: That does nothing to change the risk profile
361[2019/07/12 00:20]  JohnXi: well like i said
362[2019/07/12 00:20]  Krafties Resident: Celeste 10%??
363[2019/07/12 00:21]  Krafties Resident: Back up there
364[2019/07/12 00:21]  JohnXi: im doing this with the capsule regardless
365[2019/07/12 00:21]  Krafties Resident: That's really not an ideal way to get buy in...
366[2019/07/12 00:21]  JohnXi: it's so easy man
367[2019/07/12 00:21]  Krafties Resident: Lol, it should be easy for you
368[2019/07/12 00:22]  JohnXi: do you want me to vacate for another 5 years
369[2019/07/12 00:22]  JohnXi: cause i cba
370[2019/07/12 00:22]  Krafties Resident: Back up to the celeste 10% first of all
371[2019/07/12 00:23]  JohnXi: 10% me, 10% celese (market)
372[2019/07/12 00:23]  JohnXi: 100% you
373[2019/07/12 00:23]  JohnXi: we buy energy from you
374[2019/07/12 00:23]  Krafties Resident: I'm confused what you mean, you have a deal with celeste or are you making a celeste joke?
375[2019/07/12 00:23]  JohnXi: no
376[2019/07/12 00:24]  JohnXi: i fkin made krafties u fool
377[2019/07/12 00:24]  JohnXi: 10% me 10% player, 120% player
378[2019/07/12 00:24]  JohnXi: wait
379[2019/07/12 00:24]  Krafties Resident: Why do you keep saying you made Krafties?
380[2019/07/12 00:25]  Krafties Resident: And calling me a fool...
381[2019/07/12 00:25]  Krafties Resident: are you ok?
382[2019/07/12 00:25]  JohnXi: 10% me, 10% market, player wins 80% pot
383[2019/07/12 00:25]  JohnXi: you gain 100% energy
384[2019/07/12 00:25]  JohnXi: L$ for Energy man
385[2019/07/12 00:25]  Krafties Resident: I understand that John
386[2019/07/12 00:25]  JohnXi: same as spinner..
387[2019/07/12 00:26]  Krafties Resident: You've said it enough times that even my tiny, simple fool brain can grasp it
388[2019/07/12 00:26]  JohnXi: gah
389[2019/07/12 00:26]  JohnXi: you cant lose kris
390[2019/07/12 00:26]  Krafties Resident: But you don't seem to be grasping what I'm telling you
391[2019/07/12 00:26]  Krafties Resident: I won't do a deal with someone I can't trust
392[2019/07/12 00:26]  JohnXi: explain it again
393[2019/07/12 00:26]  Krafties Resident: And you're doing nothing to make me trust you
394[2019/07/12 00:26]  Krafties Resident: calling me a fool
395[2019/07/12 00:27]  Krafties Resident: Telling me you deserve it
396[2019/07/12 00:27]  JohnXi: how can you not trust me?
397[2019/07/12 00:27]  Krafties Resident: sliding in what I think is a deal you made with celeste randomly at the end of the conversation?
398[2019/07/12 00:27]  JohnXi: i aint made no deal with celeste!!!!
399[2019/07/12 00:27]  JohnXi: this is crazy
400[2019/07/12 00:28]  Krafties Resident: Thank you for clarifying that
401[2019/07/12 00:28]  JohnXi: i should go back to google
402[2019/07/12 00:28]  JohnXi: xD
403[2019/07/12 00:28]  Krafties Resident: I honestly don't know why you left if you were doing so well
404[2019/07/12 00:28]  JohnXi: forget that
405[2019/07/12 00:29]  JohnXi: ok here
406[2019/07/12 00:29]  JohnXi: yo
407[2019/07/12 00:30]  JohnXi: i think if you made a island on krafties sim i can sell energy so fast
408[2019/07/12 00:30]  JohnXi: put a little island and and i can sell energy soooo fast
409[2019/07/12 00:30]  Krafties Resident: Maybe we can work up to that
410[2019/07/12 00:30]  Krafties Resident: But there's a firsts step
411[2019/07/12 00:31]  Krafties Resident: first*
412[2019/07/12 00:31]  JohnXi: but you need to consume it twice as fast
413[2019/07/12 00:31]  JohnXi: something like levels
414[2019/07/12 00:31]  Krafties Resident: Please think about the things I've said
415[2019/07/12 00:31]  Krafties Resident: reread them if you need to
416[2019/07/12 00:32]  Krafties Resident: I can't type them anymore
417[2019/07/12 00:32]  JohnXi: say them again please
418[2019/07/12 00:32]  Krafties Resident: Just like I don't want you to spend time typing the same numbers to me over and over again
419[2019/07/12 00:32]  JohnXi: yes
420[2019/07/12 00:32]  Krafties Resident: The information is there
421[2019/07/12 00:32]  JohnXi: i know m8
422[2019/07/12 00:32]  JohnXi: i fricken was here before
423[2019/07/12 00:33]  JohnXi: i practically got phillip rosedendale in skype begging me how to make his new platorm great
424[2019/07/12 00:33]  JohnXi: so shit
425[2019/07/12 00:34]  Krafties Resident: You could be making a lot of money consulting then
426[2019/07/12 00:34]  JohnXi: f that
427[2019/07/12 00:34]  JohnXi: i could make ever more consulting intel and google
428[2019/07/12 00:34]  JohnXi: im not in this for the money
429[2019/07/12 00:35]  Krafties Resident: Well, I'm very tired
430[2019/07/12 00:35]  JohnXi: listen
431[2019/07/12 00:35]  Krafties Resident: But like I said, please think about what I've said
432[2019/07/12 00:36]  Krafties Resident: If we continue talking about this, please don't call me a fool or be quite as condescending. It's kind of mean man
433[2019/07/12 00:36]  JohnXi: i think if you let limbo on your sim, 10% profit plus per machine sale 500L
434[2019/07/12 00:36]  JohnXi: we'd smash this out the park
435[2019/07/12 00:36]  JohnXi: plus you get 100% energy
436[2019/07/12 00:36]  JohnXi: 1000% we would smash this
437[2019/07/12 00:36]  JohnXi: sleep on it
438[2019/07/12 00:37]  Krafties Resident: You know that's not what I care about right now
439[2019/07/12 00:37]  JohnXi: it's so easy
440[2019/07/12 00:37]  Krafties Resident: I've said it so many times
441[2019/07/12 00:37]  JohnXi: what do you care about?
442[2019/07/12 00:37]  Krafties Resident: You could be trying to sell girl scout cookies on the sim and I'd be having the same conversation
443[2019/07/12 00:38]  JohnXi: whats the problem?
444[2019/07/12 00:38]  Krafties Resident: [00:18] Krafties: It's not about the product, or the numbers
445 [00:18] Krafties: Human to human first
446 [00:18] Krafties: then business after
447[2019/07/12 00:38]  JohnXi: if i mess up krafties?
448[2019/07/12 00:38]  Krafties Resident: Are you reading what I'm typing?
449[2019/07/12 00:39]  JohnXi: say it again
450[2019/07/12 00:39]  Krafties Resident: Do you have some weird filter that garbles sentences or something lol
451[2019/07/12 00:39]  JohnXi: yeah
452[2019/07/12 00:39]  JohnXi: say it again, im listening
453[2019/07/12 00:39]  Krafties Resident: You've gotta be messing with me at this point
454[2019/07/12 00:39]  JohnXi: nope
455[2019/07/12 00:40]  Krafties Resident: Ok, then maybe we can continue this when you have that filter turned off
456[2019/07/12 00:40]  JohnXi: krafties do me a deal
457[2019/07/12 00:40]  Krafties Resident: Or you can go back and read what I've said
458[2019/07/12 00:40]  JohnXi: 33% you on machine sales
459[2019/07/12 00:40]  JohnXi: 1499 i sell
460[2019/07/12 00:40]  Krafties Resident: You want this deal, make me feel safe in doing a deal with  YOU
461[2019/07/12 00:41]  Krafties Resident: After that, I'm good to go
462[2019/07/12 00:41]  Krafties Resident: anyway, heading to bed
463[2019/07/12 00:41]  Krafties Resident: Night man
464[2019/07/12 00:41]  JohnXi: the numbers are solid man, what more can i do
465[2019/07/12 00:41]  JohnXi: cya
466[2019/07/12 00:41]  JohnXi: 33% on sales, + 10% plays to you
467[2019/07/12 00:42]  Krafties Resident: lol
468[2019/07/12 00:42]  JohnXi: rest to me and i pay you energy
469[2019/07/12 00:42]  JohnXi: do the maths
470[2019/07/12 00:42]  Krafties Resident: man, I've said it so many times
471[2019/07/12 00:42]  Krafties Resident: numbers mean nothing to me right now
472[2019/07/12 00:42]  JohnXi: L$1499 Im selling limbo
473[2019/07/12 00:42]  Krafties Resident: I want to feel safe and secure in doing a deal with you
474[2019/07/12 00:42]  Krafties Resident: everything else will follow
475[2019/07/12 00:43]  Krafties Resident: This is a human thing, not a system or numbers
476[2019/07/12 00:43]  Krafties Resident: You hurt me last year
477[2019/07/12 00:43]  JohnXi: if you try and trike a deal once its established, thats the deal
478[2019/07/12 00:43]  JohnXi: i think with krafties we can do this man!
479[2019/07/12 00:43]  JohnXi: so obvious
480[2019/07/12 00:44]  Krafties Resident: [00:42] Krafties: I want to feel safe and secure in doing a deal with you
481 [00:42] Krafties: everything else will follow
482 [00:43] Krafties: This is a human thing, not a system or numbers
483 [00:43] Krafties: You hurt me last year
484[2019/07/12 00:44]  JohnXi: sorry for that
485[2019/07/12 00:44]  JohnXi: you hurt me when i keft krafties
486[2019/07/12 00:44]  JohnXi: karma
487[2019/07/12 00:44]  Krafties Resident: Alright
488[2019/07/12 00:45]  Krafties Resident: If you truly believe I deserved that, we're done here
489[2019/07/12 00:45]  JohnXi: i dont need you
490[2019/07/12 00:45]  Krafties Resident: Alright, I'm glad to hear that
491[2019/07/12 00:45]  JohnXi: if you want to see me overshadow you the fuck it
492[2019/07/12 00:45]  JohnXi: we should work together, end of story
493[2019/07/12 00:46]  JohnXi: message me when we can
494[2019/07/12 00:46]  JohnXi: this is so gay
495[2019/07/12 00:46]  JohnXi: why cant we strike a deal
496[2019/07/12 00:46]  JohnXi: ffs
497[2019/07/12 00:51]  JohnXi: ok i thought about it
498[2019/07/12 00:52]  JohnXi: its so clear to me
499[2019/07/12 00:53]  JohnXi: not once have i let you down in 6 years
500[2019/07/12 00:54]  JohnXi: [2019/07/11 18:18] JohnXi: lol
501 [2019/07/11 18:18] Celeste Auer: when he  knowsit he does
502 [2019/07/11 18:18] JohnXi: whats wys fullname
503 [2019/07/11 18:19] Celeste Auer: but it thing he is so  tired up with other  things he does not see what  a lot of his older players do
504 [2019/07/11 18:19] JohnXi: i understand
505 [2019/07/11 18:20] Celeste Auer: he is   banned on his   main name Wy Senheimer (wyiwndr.hotshot)
506 [2019/07/11 18:21] JohnXi: i remember
507 [2019/07/11 18:21] JohnXi: oh well, i want to focus on fun stuff for krafties
508 [2019/07/11 18:21] Celeste Auer: he is play now  and has been since he was  banned on the  WY at  as Harry Rainier
509 [2019/07/11 18:21] JohnXi: its not my job to worry about that any more
510 [2019/07/11 18:21] JohnXi: i think i can add alot of fun to krafties now, im refreshed
511 [2019/07/11 18:22] Celeste Auer: good luck
512 [2019/07/11 18:22] JohnXi: hope you can support the things i release because i think it will benefit everyone
513 [2019/07/11 18:22] JohnXi: but i mainly need support from old players to get it off the ground lol
514 [2019/07/11 18:23] JohnXi: players trust you, and i hope they trust me as one of the co founders of krafties
515 [2019/07/11 18:23] Celeste Auer: i will support  anything that does not cute them  back or take away what they already had  accomplished and  does not  cater to  new players   so they can do  a   6 months what took us  3 years
516 [2019/07/11 18:24] JohnXi: yeah
517 [2019/07/11 18:24] Celeste Auer: well i look forward to it,  as i like   alot of others  right now  are  planning on phasing out
518 [2019/07/11 18:27] JohnXi: well get ready for some fun stuff :D
519 [2019/07/11 18:27] JohnXi: i think your market will love it
520 [2019/07/11 18:46] Second Life: You have offered friendship to Celeste Auer
521 [2019/07/11 18:46] Second Life: Celeste Auer accepted your friendship offer.
522 [2019/07/11 18:46] Second Life: Celeste Auer is online.
523 [2019/07/11 23:08] Second Life: Celeste Auer is online.
524[2019/07/12 00:55]  JohnXi: i reasured her, kris knows what he's doing
525[2019/07/12 00:55]  JohnXi: she dont like fishing and i dont know it
526[2019/07/12 00:55]  JohnXi: that simple
527[2019/07/12 00:58]  JohnXi: you should check out our limbo, its so cool you aint seen nothing like it
528[2019/07/12 00:58]  JohnXi: i swear
529[2019/07/12 01:03]  Krafties Resident: Heading to bed
530[2019/07/12 01:03]  Krafties Resident: This conversation has worn me out
531[2019/07/12 01:03]  Krafties Resident: I hope that one day we can actually be cool again. I thought that us talking about our issues would help, but it doesn't seem like you're ready for that yet. Let me know if you ever want to chat, I'll gladly have THAT conversation.
532[2019/07/12 01:08]  Krafties Resident: Night man
533[2019/07/13 12:11]  Second Life: Inventory item 'Celeste Convo' offered
534[2019/07/13 12:12]  JohnXi: thats the full convo we had, nothing in detail about krafties, nothing detrimental and nothing but good things to say about you
535[2019/07/13 12:12]  JohnXi: if you can think of any reasurances i can give I'd really appreciate it, if not I will just scrap it, cause I'm not just gonna release krafties shit if you're unhappy with it.  But man I think this can get ironed out easy if we just try find some confidence for you
536[2019/07/13 12:15]  JohnXi: I really shouldnt have to feel uncomfortable doing anything on this account because I once worked on it man.  I gave everything up to give you confidence and feel like it's got nowhere.  Try think of reassurance I can give, if not then dont worry about it.  I'll just move on and do something else, but this is so stupid man.  Anyone else can do it, just not me
537[2019/07/14 10:54]  JohnXi: Man I wish you would've been comfortable with Limbo, was such a badass game and I was so excited about it.  I understand I didn't help any situation by saying some stupid shit, just wished you'd base your trust on my actions, but yeah..
538[2019/07/14 10:56]  JohnXi: Had 2 other badass games I was planning on releasing from when I used to make these types of games.  Had a game called Gelliz, like a candy crush type of game that would of been amazing using Souls as colors, even had a good name, Elementz lol
539[2019/07/14 11:03]  JohnXi: Hope the convo with Celeste at least put you at ease a bit, I wouldn't say anything bad about you or krafties, or even tried to claim any credit for being back or whatever.
540[2019/07/14 12:07]  JohnXi: When you have a moment, I'd like to talk if we can without you getting anxious or having a panic attack lol.  I have no power at all in this negotiation, you're running the show and there's nothing to think there's grief about.  I honestly think we can work this out to a point where you're 100% confident and in control of the destiny of krafties.  I just want to put everything on the table and see if we can work something out where you can help me and I can help you.  I understand it's gotta work both ways man, and I'm SO confident we can figure this out and it will be amazing if we do.  We just have to put everything on the table and explain what we want from each other.  If we can at least do that and we still don't agree then at least we've tried.  It would be shitty if we just agree to disagree and forget it ever happened for another 5 years man
541[2019/07/14 12:08]  JohnXi: I'm not enjoying this stress as much as you, and no way am I just gonna use your game to profit against your wishes.  But I'm telling you man theres something here if we can just fucking make it clear where we both stand and then we're off into the wind
542[2019/07/14 12:10]  JohnXi: Please Kris, I'm begging you man
543[2019/07/14 12:10]  JohnXi: I'll be back later
544[2019/07/14 13:54]  JohnXi: is Linden realms still going?
545[2019/07/14 14:07]  Krafties Resident: Not sure on Linden Realms
546[2019/07/14 14:08]  JohnXi: back in the day, personally... I had the the feeling they was doing that to trump us
547[2019/07/14 14:08]  Krafties Resident: Feeling kinda shitty today, been thinking about this a lot
548[2019/07/14 14:08]  JohnXi: Anshe tried to hire me for linden realms
549[2019/07/14 14:08]  Krafties Resident: Definitely not enjoying the stress
550[2019/07/14 14:08]  JohnXi: There's nothing to stress about seriously
551[2019/07/14 14:09]  JohnXi: I'm stressing because you're stressing because you're stressing over what?
552[2019/07/14 14:10]  Krafties Resident: Because of you and the unknowns that lie there. You've been back and forth on this like 6 times now
553[2019/07/14 14:10]  JohnXi: thats the beauty of it man
554[2019/07/14 14:10]  Krafties Resident: And it goes from aggressive and negative to pleasant quickly
555[2019/07/14 14:10]  JohnXi: but I'm 3rd party this time, I get to go full ham with my creative freedom and I'm just a 3rd party creator
556[2019/07/14 14:11]  Krafties Resident: So, here's my solution. You seem to have some resentment from me taking over the game when we made our deal, you say snide things or imply that you're owed something
557[2019/07/14 14:11]  JohnXi: right, whats the solution?
558[2019/07/14 14:11]  Krafties Resident: I can't deal with that, so I'll offer you Krafties. Don't want to deal with this stress and unknown anymore
559[2019/07/14 14:12]  JohnXi: Ok here's my deal
560[2019/07/14 14:12]  JohnXi: We can fine middle ground
561[2019/07/14 14:14]  JohnXi: I think I can be the perfect middle ground where we both gain. When I was working in krafties we never had the opportunity to explore these ideas
562[2019/07/14 14:15]  JohnXi: Together we couldn't do crazy shit like this because they thought we was milking them
563[2019/07/14 14:15]  JohnXi: I made it perfectly clear to Celeste, I'm a 3rd party guy and we don't work for free
564[2019/07/14 14:16]  JohnXi: I'd love it if you focused on what you think's best for krafties and let me work around you and your API's
565[2019/07/14 14:16]  Krafties Resident: There's nothing there for me man, you're too much for me to handle right now. You seed my transition like we did for you back in the day, I'm good to go. Pay what Krafties paid out while you weren't working, and that brings us even. Then that same amount and you'll own it. That's a deal, and all I ask is that I maintain rights to code and tools created. You would own art and ed assets, be able to do whatever you want with the code base including release it all of you want. I just want to be able to work on new projects without worrying about code usage rights
566[2019/07/14 14:17]  Krafties Resident: That's more than fair
567[2019/07/14 14:17]  JohnXi: Man
568[2019/07/14 14:17]  JohnXi: We can do this man
569[2019/07/14 14:18]  JohnXi: I swear we can, I wouldnt nag you otherwise
570[2019/07/14 14:18]  Krafties Resident: I think I've always been fair to you
571[2019/07/14 14:18]  JohnXi: Why cant I just be a third party creator like everyone
572[2019/07/14 14:18]  JohnXi: Why are we even discussing this?
573[2019/07/14 14:18]  JohnXi: Everyone else can do what I want to do.
574[2019/07/14 14:19]  Krafties Resident: Everyone else didn't get a payout
575[2019/07/14 14:19]  JohnXi: Relatively my payout was insignificant from krafties man
576[2019/07/14 14:19]  JohnXi: I got more players in my first week in thrive than krafties ever did
577[2019/07/14 14:19]  Krafties Resident: Then it will be insignificant to me as well
578[2019/07/14 14:20]  Krafties Resident: That's why I structured it like this
579[2019/07/14 14:20]  Krafties Resident: you can't complain about the payout then
580[2019/07/14 14:20]  JohnXi: I'm not
581[2019/07/14 14:20]  JohnXi: I swear on my own heart Kris, im not doing this for revenge
582[2019/07/14 14:21]  JohnXi: or any agenda
583[2019/07/14 14:21]  JohnXi: I swear
584[2019/07/14 14:21]  Krafties Resident: John, you realize that once you sent those messages to me it messed up this relationship right?
585[2019/07/14 14:22]  Krafties Resident: I've tried to be cool
586[2019/07/14 14:22]  Krafties Resident: I've tried to be as fair as I humanly can be
587[2019/07/14 14:22]  Krafties Resident: And I still am
588[2019/07/14 14:22]  Krafties Resident: I don't think it's fair to me to have to worry about this right now
589[2019/07/14 14:22]  Krafties Resident: And so I'm trying to rectify that
590[2019/07/14 14:22]  Krafties Resident: In a way that makes everyone hapy
591[2019/07/14 14:22]  JohnXi: what is stopping you from letting me make third party games like anyone else could?
592[2019/07/14 14:23]  JohnXi: anyone else could do exactly the same thing I am doing
593[2019/07/14 14:23]  Krafties Resident: Because it increases the risk profile significantly, and deters me from investing more time or money in Krafties
594[2019/07/14 14:23]  Krafties Resident: I'm feeling drained man
595[2019/07/14 14:23]  JohnXi: I really want you to let me do limbo man
596[2019/07/14 14:24]  Krafties Resident: I know you do
597[2019/07/14 14:24]  JohnXi: we have a diamond man
598[2019/07/14 14:24]  JohnXi: why wont you let me?
599[2019/07/14 14:24]  JohnXi: incase i fuck up and abandon ship again?
600[2019/07/14 14:24]  Krafties Resident: If you take my offer, I'll help you with the transition as best I can
601[2019/07/14 14:24]  Krafties Resident: and you can keep me on salary for a time
602[2019/07/14 14:24]  JohnXi: whats your offer?
603[2019/07/14 14:24]  Krafties Resident: So I can continue to produce content until you find a relpacement
604[2019/07/14 14:24]  JohnXi: you want me to take over krafties?
605[2019/07/14 14:24]  JohnXi: im not gonna do it kris
606[2019/07/14 14:25]  Krafties Resident: [14:16] Krafties: There's nothing there for me man, you're too much for me to handle right now. You seed my transition like we did for you back in the day, I'm good to go. Pay what Krafties paid out while you weren't working, and that brings us even. Then that same amount and you'll own it. That's a deal, and all I ask is that I maintain rights to code and tools created. You would own art and ed assets, be able to do whatever you want with the code base including release it all of you want. I just want to be able to work on new projects without worrying about code usage rights
607[2019/07/14 14:25]  JohnXi: i aint doing this every 5 years about who can sail the ship
608[2019/07/14 14:25]  Krafties Resident: So you understand that this sucks then?
609[2019/07/14 14:26]  JohnXi: yes
610[2019/07/14 14:26]  Krafties Resident: The difference now is that Krafties is incorporated
611[2019/07/14 14:26]  Krafties Resident: I own the trademark
612[2019/07/14 14:26]  JohnXi: doesn't matter...
613[2019/07/14 14:26]  Krafties Resident: There's been a lot of time and money put into those things alone
614[2019/07/14 14:26]  JohnXi: you are krafties, everyone knows it
615[2019/07/14 14:27]  Krafties Resident: And I fucking love Krafties man
616[2019/07/14 14:27]  JohnXi: all im asking is for you to let me be a 3rd party creator without feeling guilty
617[2019/07/14 14:27]  JohnXi: thats all i want man
618[2019/07/14 14:27]  Krafties Resident: But between you and players like Celeste, it's not worth it annymore
619[2019/07/14 14:28]  JohnXi: i dunno
620[2019/07/14 14:28]  Krafties Resident: I've learned a lot
621[2019/07/14 14:28]  Krafties Resident: this was my tuition
622[2019/07/14 14:28]  JohnXi: i had my own feelings back then, thats why i left
623[2019/07/14 14:28]  JohnXi: i couldnt be arsed chasing cheaters around
624[2019/07/14 14:28]  JohnXi: so i left
625[2019/07/14 14:28]  Krafties Resident: Yeah, I offered for you to have Krafties
626[2019/07/14 14:29]  Krafties Resident: I would have taken the same deal
627[2019/07/14 14:29]  JohnXi: and i told you the same back then
628[2019/07/14 14:29]  JohnXi: i'd of left it to plod along
629[2019/07/14 14:29]  JohnXi: all im asking for man, is to let me explorer being a third party without asking for permissio
630[2019/07/14 14:30]  JohnXi: if i feel i can exploit some shit, ill be the first to tell you
631[2019/07/14 14:30]  Krafties Resident: I just don't understand why out of everything you could possibly be doing right now, it has to be this...
632[2019/07/14 14:30]  Krafties Resident: This makes no sense to me
633[2019/07/14 14:30]  JohnXi: this is what keeps me going man
634[2019/07/14 14:30]  JohnXi: i doing the 15 million crap
635[2019/07/14 14:31]  JohnXi: i wanna see what i can contribute to krafties now
636[2019/07/14 14:31]  Krafties Resident: Then take my offer man
637[2019/07/14 14:31]  JohnXi: i cant do it man
638[2019/07/14 14:31]  JohnXi: you've changed everything
639[2019/07/14 14:32]  JohnXi: here
640[2019/07/14 14:32]  Krafties Resident: Yeah, that's why part of the deal is keeping me on retainer for a while to help with content and tooling, and help with the code base
641[2019/07/14 14:32]  Krafties Resident: It's a pretty standard practice
642[2019/07/14 14:32]  JohnXi: it'll take me 10 years to learn javascript kris, you know me man
643[2019/07/14 14:32]  JohnXi: i hate the shit
644[2019/07/14 14:33]  Krafties Resident: It's all I can think of right now
645[2019/07/14 14:33]  JohnXi: the structure is there
646[2019/07/14 14:33]  JohnXi: krafties is there
647[2019/07/14 14:34]  JohnXi: the best thing i can think of is just takes a couple weeks off
648[2019/07/14 14:34]  JohnXi: then come back fresh as a fiddle if you can be arsed and make some lsl shit
649[2019/07/14 14:34]  JohnXi: cmon man
650[2019/07/14 14:35]  JohnXi: 3rd party is the way man
651[2019/07/14 14:35]  JohnXi: as long as the servers paid for, we can actually focus on creativity
652[2019/07/14 14:36]  JohnXi: please man
653[2019/07/14 14:36]  JohnXi: i know you man and you know me, we made this baby
654[2019/07/14 14:37]  JohnXi: krafties can be so massive if we changed this mindframe man
655[2019/07/14 14:38]  JohnXi: cmon man
656[2019/07/14 14:38]  JohnXi: well hey, i look at it like this
657[2019/07/14 14:39]  JohnXi: if you're willing to just hand krafties over to me, then you may aswell let me release limbo.  what we got to lose
658[2019/07/14 14:39]  Krafties Resident: Because I'm not just handing it over to you
659[2019/07/14 14:39]  Krafties Resident: I'm handing it over to you in exchange for enough money to fund my next project
660[2019/07/14 14:40]  JohnXi: you'll get enough money from limbo
661[2019/07/14 14:40]  Krafties Resident: Just like we did years ago for you
662[2019/07/14 14:40]  Krafties Resident: The difference there is that without you and limbo I can keep going on with Krafties
663[2019/07/14 14:40]  Krafties Resident: with you, I have non idea
664[2019/07/14 14:40]  Krafties Resident: no*
665[2019/07/14 14:41]  JohnXi: thats the magic of it man, neither do the players
666[2019/07/14 14:42]  Krafties Resident: That's the unknown. It's why I feel like investing anymore into Krafties with this tenuous relationship here and in the forefront of my mind, and possibly players' minds, 24/7 isn't worth it
667[2019/07/14 14:42]  Krafties Resident: But there's a solution
668[2019/07/14 14:42]  Krafties Resident: The one I outlined
669[2019/07/14 14:43]  Krafties Resident: You really believe you can spice up Krafties and do better than I have, then it's a chance for you to do so
670[2019/07/14 14:43]  JohnXi: I think as a proxy team, you do you and I do me
671[2019/07/14 14:43]  JohnXi: it would turn into something unreal
672[2019/07/14 14:44]  JohnXi: I cant do better than you man
673[2019/07/14 14:44]  JohnXi: No way
674[2019/07/14 14:44]  JohnXi: and i'd never claim that
675[2019/07/14 14:44]  Krafties Resident: You're a scary teammate man, I can't predict what you're going to be feeling or how you're going to act
676[2019/07/14 14:44]  JohnXi: I told you what I what i was gonna do with krafties if i stayed
677[2019/07/14 14:45]  JohnXi: this is how krafties started man
678[2019/07/14 14:45]  JohnXi: we took a gamble
679[2019/07/14 14:45]  Krafties Resident: Yes, and if we were starting a new project maybe it would be different
680[2019/07/14 14:45]  JohnXi: i took a gamble leaving krafties, this is what im like
681[2019/07/14 14:45]  JohnXi: i bet you thought i was crazy
682[2019/07/14 14:45]  Krafties Resident: Not the baby I've poured my heart and soul into over the past  years
683[2019/07/14 14:46]  JohnXi: did you read the convo with celeste and me?
684[2019/07/14 14:46]  JohnXi: id love to know your thoughts on it
685[2019/07/14 14:46]  Krafties Resident: No, I was ready to leave and start something new if I would have had the cushion and known Krafties was in good hands
686[2019/07/14 14:46]  Krafties Resident: That time fuckking sucked
687[2019/07/14 14:46]  Krafties Resident: all items were copyable
688[2019/07/14 14:46]  Krafties Resident: had to shit all overr players
689[2019/07/14 14:46]  JohnXi: what you on about?
690[2019/07/14 14:47]  Krafties Resident: When you left, people could dupe any and all items
691[2019/07/14 14:47]  Krafties Resident: I believe you almost shut the game down fully on a whim one time because of it
692[2019/07/14 14:47]  JohnXi: they did that before i left
693[2019/07/14 14:47]  JohnXi: do you think I gave them copy items?
694[2019/07/14 14:48]  Krafties Resident: No, that's not what I'm saying
695[2019/07/14 14:48]  Krafties Resident: I know how they copied
696[2019/07/14 14:48]  Krafties Resident: sim rollbacks
697[2019/07/14 14:48]  JohnXi: ye
698[2019/07/14 14:48]  Krafties Resident: But there was no way to fight it without an entire recode and blocking item usage based on statistics
699[2019/07/14 14:48]  Krafties Resident: Which punished fair players
700[2019/07/14 14:48]  JohnXi: them plus my ex mrs coming on our shit is the reason I left
701[2019/07/14 14:48]  Krafties Resident: I'm saying, that time sucked
702[2019/07/14 14:48]  Krafties Resident: And I would have loved to jump ship
703[2019/07/14 14:48]  JohnXi: I felt like a liability
704[2019/07/14 14:49]  JohnXi: 2 years of solid work, poofed
705[2019/07/14 14:49]  Krafties Resident: So I don't think you were crazy for doing it, I would have if things were slightly different
706[2019/07/14 14:49]  JohnXi: So i left, cause i cared
707[2019/07/14 14:49]  Krafties Resident: But you wanted the deal more than I did
708[2019/07/14 14:50]  JohnXi: back when i left?
709[2019/07/14 14:50]  Krafties Resident: So I stayed and put 5 more years into it
710[2019/07/14 14:50]  JohnXi: i made it clear back then
711[2019/07/14 14:50]  JohnXi: i said we come this far and so many people depend on us
712[2019/07/14 14:50]  JohnXi: and we're not getting along
713[2019/07/14 14:51]  JohnXi: someone gotta go
714[2019/07/14 14:51]  JohnXi: i werent gonna let krafties end up like brightpets and micropetz
715[2019/07/14 14:51]  JohnXi: people are married cause of krafties lol
716[2019/07/14 14:52]  Krafties Resident: Krafties is special
717[2019/07/14 14:52]  JohnXi: 1000%
718[2019/07/14 14:52]  Krafties Resident: But last year man
719[2019/07/14 14:52]  JohnXi: more than thrive island
720[2019/07/14 14:52]  Krafties Resident: It showed me how stupid I was for spending this much time here
721[2019/07/14 14:53]  Krafties Resident: A volatile ex partner that can thrash any social capital isn't investable
722[2019/07/14 14:54]  JohnXi: honestly man i cant give excuses but last year was hell for me too
723[2019/07/14 14:54]  Krafties Resident: That's the difference though man
724[2019/07/14 14:54]  JohnXi: the day i released mp thrive, what i was telling you about
725[2019/07/14 14:54]  Krafties Resident: If, in the future I go through hell, I won't take it out on anyone else
726[2019/07/14 14:54]  JohnXi: i know
727[2019/07/14 14:55]  JohnXi: the day i released that thrive island multiplayer man, same day
728[2019/07/14 14:55]  JohnXi: my mom got cancer
729[2019/07/14 14:56]  JohnXi: next day google intel fb steam, all of em trying to outbid each other to get me
730[2019/07/14 14:56]  JohnXi: i thought to myself, fuck these peasants, no one getting get and i turned angry for a year
731[2019/07/14 14:57]  JohnXi: i sold the game to india and thought to hell with it
732[2019/07/14 14:58]  JohnXi: im gonna do what i want now
733[2019/07/14 14:58]  JohnXi: i don't need to prove anything anymore, just have fun
734[2019/07/14 14:59]  JohnXi: theres no excuse, but thats exactly how i felt
735[2019/07/14 14:59]  JohnXi: to hell with it all
736[2019/07/14 15:00]  JohnXi: i'd love to just make shit on my terms without worrying about someone else
737[2019/07/14 15:00]  Krafties Resident: Truly sorry to hear about your mom
738[2019/07/14 15:00]  JohnXi: just average third party shit
739[2019/07/14 15:00]  Krafties Resident: But don't you see that's what you're doing to me right now? Now I'm having to worry about you
740[2019/07/14 15:00]  JohnXi: she's still alive man, i had to keep her going lol
741[2019/07/14 15:01]  JohnXi: man we can do this, i swear to god we can
742[2019/07/14 15:01]  JohnXi: the problem with us is emotion, it's not a technical issue
743[2019/07/14 15:01]  Krafties Resident: I thought that maybe eventually we could work our way up to something, but that trust timeline is years not days
744[2019/07/14 15:01]  Krafties Resident: Human emotion is one of the biggest risk factors
745[2019/07/14 15:01]  JohnXi: how long you gonna wait?
746[2019/07/14 15:01]  JohnXi: until one of us are dead?
747[2019/07/14 15:02]  Krafties Resident: Until we're on great terms
748[2019/07/14 15:02]  JohnXi: im not stopping this progress, it's you man
749[2019/07/14 15:02]  JohnXi: this past week i've
750[2019/07/14 15:02]  Krafties Resident: I don't want this "progress" man you're the only one who does
751[2019/07/14 15:02]  Krafties Resident: I wanted to talk with you again
752[2019/07/14 15:02]  Krafties Resident: I didn't want to get married
753[2019/07/14 15:02]  JohnXi: been thinking at work, shall i just release it anyway to show him it's not really a big deal
754[2019/07/14 15:03]  JohnXi: but it's your game man, i cant use your currrency when you're so against it
755[2019/07/14 15:03]  JohnXi: i didnt want to get married too, but i feel like i am
756[2019/07/14 15:03]  Krafties Resident: Because working together in any capacity is like marriage
757[2019/07/14 15:04]  JohnXi: yeah
758[2019/07/14 15:04]  JohnXi: i left my ex wife cause of this lol
759[2019/07/14 15:04]  JohnXi: spending too much time with you x~D
760[2019/07/14 15:04]  JohnXi: i'd like to think you knew me more than her, at least.
761[2019/07/14 15:05]  Krafties Resident: Yeah, we were definitely married for a time
762[2019/07/14 15:05]  Krafties Resident: But that's the problem
763[2019/07/14 15:05]  JohnXi: still are by the fkin looks of it
764[2019/07/14 15:05]  JohnXi: should've signed a prenuptial
765[2019/07/14 15:05]  Krafties Resident: You think any investor would like the prospect of a company run by a bickering divorced couple?
766[2019/07/14 15:06]  JohnXi: nope
767[2019/07/14 15:06]  JohnXi: hey let me ask you something
768[2019/07/14 15:06]  Krafties Resident: That involvement is just potentially toxic
769[2019/07/14 15:06]  JohnXi: do you enjoy krafties, regardless of me intervening?
770[2019/07/14 15:07]  JohnXi: do you enjoy it when I'm not here?
771[2019/07/14 15:07]  Krafties Resident: most days, yes
772[2019/07/14 15:07]  Krafties Resident: Still have mods and Rain
773[2019/07/14 15:07]  JohnXi: ok so why you worry when I am here?
774[2019/07/14 15:07]  Krafties Resident: Because you're potentially a time bomb
775[2019/07/14 15:07]  JohnXi: be honest, what's the worst that I can do?
776[2019/07/14 15:07]  Krafties Resident: That appeared out of nowhere
777[2019/07/14 15:08]  Krafties Resident: I'd rather not give you ideas lol
778[2019/07/14 15:08]  JohnXi: lol
779[2019/07/14 15:08]  JohnXi: Well here's my word, the worst that that I would is pack up and leave again
780[2019/07/14 15:09]  JohnXi: and if I did do that, every player would know I'm an asshole cause I just stole their energy pool
781[2019/07/14 15:09]  JohnXi: and you win
782[2019/07/14 15:09]  JohnXi: win/win for you
783[2019/07/14 15:10]  Krafties Resident: It's not though man...
784[2019/07/14 15:10]  JohnXi: doesn't reflect on you, it reflects on me
785[2019/07/14 15:10]  Krafties Resident: I still work over 40 hour weeks
786[2019/07/14 15:10]  JohnXi: I know and i said that to celeste in one word or another
787[2019/07/14 15:10]  Krafties Resident: I invest a lot into this, in hopes that it will have some sort of future
788[2019/07/14 15:11]  JohnXi: you should ban her, not me
789[2019/07/14 15:11]  JohnXi: now i've given her he idea
790[2019/07/14 15:11]  Krafties Resident: It's the future that is inn jeopardy here, not the present
791[2019/07/14 15:11]  Krafties Resident: Imagine this
792[2019/07/14 15:11]  Second Life: Inventory item 'Celeste Convo' offered
793[2019/07/14 15:11]  JohnXi: you should read that convo
794[2019/07/14 15:11]  JohnXi: i reread it thinking i was out of line
795[2019/07/14 15:11]  JohnXi: and im not
796[2019/07/14 15:12]  Krafties Resident: I've had a pretty clear and crisp picture of moves and steps needed and what happens in future scenarios for Kkrafties
797[2019/07/14 15:12]  Krafties Resident: Now, I don't have that image anymore
798[2019/07/14 15:12]  Krafties Resident: Because there's a big unknown
799[2019/07/14 15:12]  JohnXi: this is the magic of it kris
800[2019/07/14 15:12]  JohnXi: look how the flipping shadow stared
801[2019/07/14 15:12]  JohnXi: you still got the shadow?
802[2019/07/14 15:12]  Krafties Resident: There's non magic there John, I had a 10 year plan
803[2019/07/14 15:12]  Krafties Resident: That's how I want to work
804[2019/07/14 15:13]  Krafties Resident: I don't want to gamble
805[2019/07/14 15:13]  JohnXi: you can still do that man
806[2019/07/14 15:13]  JohnXi: im gonna work around you
807[2019/07/14 15:13]  JohnXi: seriously kris
808[2019/07/14 15:13]  Krafties Resident: That's how you are, you like the gamble. I don't
809[2019/07/14 15:13]  JohnXi: if you disable capsules tomorrow and i got an idea in mind then ill do it
810[2019/07/14 15:14]  Krafties Resident: If I have to take a big gamble, then I don't think it's worth my time
811[2019/07/14 15:14]  JohnXi: if i cant think around it, it's your game, you're the boss
812[2019/07/14 15:14]  JohnXi: i move on
813[2019/07/14 15:14]  Krafties Resident: Right now, at this stage, working with you is a big gamble
814[2019/07/14 15:14]  Krafties Resident: And that's why I've made these decisions
815[2019/07/14 15:14]  Krafties Resident: I read your convo with Celeste btw
816[2019/07/14 15:14]  Krafties Resident: You were very positive, she's a real Celestet
817[2019/07/14 15:14]  JohnXi: im gambling it my own integrity too kris
818[2019/07/14 15:15]  Krafties Resident: That's not enough
819[2019/07/14 15:15]  Krafties Resident: Your integrity?
820[2019/07/14 15:15]  JohnXi: yeah..
821[2019/07/14 15:15]  Krafties Resident: Vs 7 years of work and money and time?
822[2019/07/14 15:15]  JohnXi: for what it's worth
823[2019/07/14 15:15]  Krafties Resident: It's not the same man
824[2019/07/14 15:15]  Krafties Resident: I've dedicated a huge chunk of my life to this at this point
825[2019/07/14 15:16]  JohnXi: all im asking is you to let me develop a third party game like everyone else is welcome to
826[2019/07/14 15:16]  JohnXi: thats all i ask man
827[2019/07/14 15:16]  JohnXi: i truly believe in this, like i did with krafties before we started
828[2019/07/14 15:16]  JohnXi: its a good decision
829[2019/07/14 15:17]  Krafties Resident: And I told you that I won't stop you, because I want to uphold the integrity of those systems and not cherrypick creators
830[2019/07/14 15:17]  JohnXi: i wouldnt do it if there was doubt
831[2019/07/14 15:17]  JohnXi: ok lets do that then
832[2019/07/14 15:17]  Krafties Resident: But that it increases my risk profile, turns Krafties development into a gamble, and deters me from doing it
833[2019/07/14 15:17]  JohnXi: and me too
834[2019/07/14 15:17]  Krafties Resident: So you can make your quick buck
835[2019/07/14 15:17]  JohnXi: you'll see
836[2019/07/14 15:17]  Krafties Resident: I think I'll just do the b day and the fishing release I promised
837[2019/07/14 15:17]  Krafties Resident: and start working on a resume
838[2019/07/14 15:18]  JohnXi: you just do you and dont worry about me
839[2019/07/14 15:18]  JohnXi: i dont have no agenda
840[2019/07/14 15:18]  Krafties Resident: That's not how this works
841[2019/07/14 15:18]  Krafties Resident: You're too unpredictable
842[2019/07/14 15:18]  JohnXi: well i guess ill have to earn your trust
843[2019/07/14 15:18]  Krafties Resident: I wish you would just take the offer I gave you
844[2019/07/14 15:18]  Krafties Resident: Now I'm just leaving Krafties with nothing
845[2019/07/14 15:18]  JohnXi: for what?
846[2019/07/14 15:19]  JohnXi: because a third party creator come along and made limbo?
847[2019/07/14 15:19]  Krafties Resident: A third party?
848[2019/07/14 15:19]  Krafties Resident: You're not a third party
849[2019/07/14 15:19]  JohnXi: im a third party, i know zero of your code
850[2019/07/14 15:19]  JohnXi: ive been away for 5 years
851[2019/07/14 15:20]  JohnXi: if i know more than any regular krafties player, then wtf
852[2019/07/14 15:20]  Krafties Resident: I don't know how many different ways I can try to explain this to you
853[2019/07/14 15:20]  Krafties Resident: I'm running out
854[2019/07/14 15:20]  JohnXi: same
855[2019/07/14 15:21]  Krafties Resident: Look man, you know I'm not comfortable with this
856[2019/07/14 15:21]  Krafties Resident: that's where it is
857[2019/07/14 15:21]  Krafties Resident: I tried to make you a fair offer
858[2019/07/14 15:21]  Krafties Resident: You didn't want it
859[2019/07/14 15:21]  JohnXi: and im not comfortable doing it either, really not
860[2019/07/14 15:21]  JohnXi: im digging deep to do this
861[2019/07/14 15:22]  JohnXi: just let me take the gamble
862[2019/07/14 15:22]  JohnXi: if it flops, you'll never see me again
863[2019/07/14 15:22]  Krafties Resident: You're gambling my 7 years of time as well
864[2019/07/14 15:22]  Krafties Resident: I can't deal with this man
865[2019/07/14 15:22]  JohnXi: I'm not kris
866[2019/07/14 15:23]  Krafties Resident: If you wanna do it, then do it. But you're screwing me over
867[2019/07/14 15:23]  Krafties Resident: I'll start a post mortem and do something for Krafties
868[2019/07/14 15:23]  JohnXi: total bs man
869[2019/07/14 15:23]  Krafties Resident: And then get a dev job while I work part time on another project.I'll keep Krafties going, but just keep the servers running
870[2019/07/14 15:23]  JohnXi: 7 years of hard work, and 1 man can sink your ship?
871[2019/07/14 15:23]  JohnXi: really?
872[2019/07/14 15:23]  Krafties Resident: YES
873[2019/07/14 15:24]  JohnXi: im flattered
874[2019/07/14 15:24]  Krafties Resident: And I'm not going to make it fucking 15 years of hard work to have you get angry over something and fuck up relationships with players
875[2019/07/14 15:24]  Krafties Resident: Or users, or investors or whatever other stakeholders are involved at that point
876[2019/07/14 15:25]  JohnXi: ok give it me if it makes you feel better
877[2019/07/14 15:25]  Krafties Resident: It's time Iearn my lessons and grow the fuck up
878[2019/07/14 15:25]  Krafties Resident: You want to take the deal?
879[2019/07/14 15:25]  JohnXi: one sec
880[2019/07/14 15:26]  JohnXi: i aint doing this every 5 years, if i take it and it sinks then i take full responsibility
881[2019/07/14 15:27]  JohnXi: i aint gonna blame you in 5 years because you come back and wanna make 3rd party addons
882[2019/07/14 15:27]  Krafties Resident: The difference is, I won't
883[2019/07/14 15:27]  Krafties Resident: I'll respect our boundaries
884[2019/07/14 15:27]  JohnXi: wtf am i gonna do with your code
885[2019/07/14 15:27]  Krafties Resident: And you cacn count on that reliably
886[2019/07/14 15:28]  Krafties Resident: You keep me on salary for a time, and I help with the transition
887[2019/07/14 15:28]  JohnXi: i aint doing this shit man, you know the code man
888[2019/07/14 15:28]  JohnXi: it's your fucking baby
889[2019/07/14 15:28]  JohnXi: not mine, please man
890[2019/07/14 15:28]  Krafties Resident: Dude
891[2019/07/14 15:29]  JohnXi: i wouldnt know where to start if you passed it to me
892[2019/07/14 15:29]  Krafties Resident: Well I would help you with that
893[2019/07/14 15:29]  JohnXi: ffs kris
894[2019/07/14 15:29]  Krafties Resident: 20 hours a week
895[2019/07/14 15:29]  JohnXi: you really want rid that much?
896[2019/07/14 15:29]  Krafties Resident: I want this stress gone
897[2019/07/14 15:30]  Krafties Resident: I want this unccertainty gone
898[2019/07/14 15:30]  Krafties Resident: I don't want to have to worry about you showing up drunk and trying to burn the place down
899[2019/07/14 15:30]  Krafties Resident: So yeah
900[2019/07/14 15:30]  Krafties Resident: I do
901[2019/07/14 15:34]  JohnXi: You're making this difficult man
902[2019/07/14 15:34]  JohnXi: You truly are
903[2019/07/14 15:34]  Krafties Resident: Dude
904[2019/07/14 15:34]  Krafties Resident: You truly have
905[2019/07/14 15:34]  Krafties Resident: you've made this difficult
906[2019/07/14 15:35]  Krafties Resident: You've added such a gigantic complicaction intto my life
907[2019/07/14 15:35]  JohnXi: I am doing nothing that no one else can't do
908[2019/07/14 15:35]  Krafties Resident: that now I want to get rid of the only thing I had going for me for 7 years
909[2019/07/14 15:35]  Krafties Resident: So don't tell me I'm making your life difficult
910[2019/07/14 15:35]  JohnXi: Celeste can do it now, I've given her the idea if I don't
911[2019/07/14 15:35]  Krafties Resident: You apparently have a fuckload of other options
912[2019/07/14 15:35]  Krafties Resident: And you just HAVE to do this
913[2019/07/14 15:35]  Krafties Resident: So yeah
914[2019/07/14 15:35]  Krafties Resident: don't put this on me
915[2019/07/14 15:37]  JohnXi: Well if you're prepared to just hand over krafties like that, I may aswell just release Limbo and put us both out our misery
916[2019/07/14 15:37]  JohnXi: My minds made up dude
917[2019/07/14 15:37]  Krafties Resident: I'm SELLING it
918[2019/07/14 15:37]  Krafties Resident: I'm not giving it
919[2019/07/14 15:38]  JohnXi: Limbo coming tomorrow, just sit back and enjoy the show
920[2019/07/14 15:38]  Krafties Resident: You truly are one of a kind
921[2019/07/14 15:38]  Krafties Resident: Thanks
922[2019/07/14 15:38]  JohnXi: Thanks
923[2019/07/14 15:39]  JohnXi: Ban me from buying energy and I'll never come back again
924[2019/07/14 15:39]  JohnXi: That's all you have to do
925[2019/07/14 15:39]  Krafties Resident: And then you'll spread that around, slander me
926[2019/07/14 15:40]  Krafties Resident: It will spread like a cancer
927[2019/07/14 15:40]  Krafties Resident: There's nothing I can do
928[2019/07/14 15:40]  Krafties Resident: Fucking 7 years
929[2019/07/14 15:42]  JohnXi: I will never slander you, you seen the convo with celeste
930[2019/07/14 15:42]  JohnXi: I have never slandered you
931[2019/07/14 15:42]  JohnXi: ever
932[2019/07/14 15:42]  Krafties Resident: Because you have no reason to
933[2019/07/14 15:42]  Krafties Resident: Because I've always tried to be fair to you
934[2019/07/14 15:42]  Krafties Resident: because I've wanted to take your feelings into consideration
935[2019/07/14 15:42]  JohnXi: we have always been fair to each other
936[2019/07/14 15:42]  Krafties Resident: I just couldn't expect the same it turns out
937[2019/07/14 15:43]  JohnXi: what goes on in our convos, i have never told anyone else
938[2019/07/14 15:43]  JohnXi: ever
939[2019/07/14 15:43]  JohnXi: celestes convo was just 1 example, she tried her best to lure information out of me
940[2019/07/14 15:43]  JohnXi: i know this
941[2019/07/14 15:44]  Krafties Resident: whatever man
942[2019/07/14 15:44]  JohnXi: remember when krafties first released
943[2019/07/14 15:45]  Krafties Resident: thanks for strangling the joy and security out of what I've been trying to build for  years
944[2019/07/14 15:45]  JohnXi: the whole of SL tried to throw me under the bus and you was the only one who stood by me
945[2019/07/14 15:45]  Krafties Resident: I'll remember it
946[2019/07/14 15:45]  JohnXi: eventually even that crumbled
947[2019/07/14 15:46]  JohnXi: i'm past all that now, i really think you should carry on doing what you do
948[2019/07/14 15:46]  JohnXi: and let me expand on it as a third party, just like the whole system was designed to do man
949[2019/07/14 15:46]  Krafties Resident: You seem to think that because you think something, everyone should
950[2019/07/14 15:46]  Krafties Resident: And because you feel a certain way, everyone should
951[2019/07/14 15:46]  JohnXi: you released a fishing API, i wanted to make contests with that shit
952[2019/07/14 15:47]  JohnXi: you're pushing me away from your own god damn api
953[2019/07/14 15:47]  Krafties Resident: You have ignored and disregarded all of my feelings
954[2019/07/14 15:47]  Krafties Resident: So I don't know why you bothered asking
955[2019/07/14 15:47]  JohnXi: i understand your feelings
956[2019/07/14 15:47]  Krafties Resident: You only hear what you want yo
957[2019/07/14 15:47]  Krafties Resident: to*
958[2019/07/14 15:47]  JohnXi: but you're disregarding mine
959[2019/07/14 15:47]  Krafties Resident: You have options dude
960[2019/07/14 15:47]  Krafties Resident: you're leaving me with very fefw
961[2019/07/14 15:48]  JohnXi: ffs
962[2019/07/14 15:48]  JohnXi: just keep doing what you're doing kris i swear man
963[2019/07/14 15:48]  Krafties Resident: It's not worth investing any more energy
964[2019/07/14 15:48]  JohnXi: i aint trying to take your fucking shine away
965[2019/07/14 15:48]  Krafties Resident: It's just not worth it
966[2019/07/14 15:49]  JohnXi: listen, you make API's then you cry when someone uses them
967[2019/07/14 15:49]  Krafties Resident: No
968[2019/07/14 15:49]  JohnXi: not my problem kris,
969[2019/07/14 15:49]  JohnXi: what then?
970[2019/07/14 15:49]  Krafties Resident: I make a deal with an partner to carry on a product, then cry when that partner comes back after a huge amount of time and money has been invested and threatens all of that
971[2019/07/14 15:50]  JohnXi: this is total bs kris
972[2019/07/14 15:50]  Krafties Resident: You don't see that, whatever man
973[2019/07/14 15:50]  JohnXi: trust me man
974[2019/07/14 15:50]  Krafties Resident: I DONT
975[2019/07/14 15:50]  Krafties Resident: Especially not now
976[2019/07/14 15:50]  JohnXi: i do see your point of view
977[2019/07/14 15:50]  Krafties Resident: especially after you "made up your mind"
978[2019/07/14 15:50]  Krafties Resident: You don't give a shit
979[2019/07/14 15:51]  JohnXi: im sick of feeling guilty for nothing kris
980[2019/07/14 15:51]  Krafties Resident: Then DONT
981[2019/07/14 15:51]  JohnXi: i left krafties and felt the need to delete my account for years, for what?
982[2019/07/14 15:51]  JohnXi: why should i feel guilty
983[2019/07/14 15:51]  JohnXi: it was only cause LL undeleted my account i came back
984[2019/07/14 15:52]  Krafties Resident: So it makes sense that you can get a payout, and then come back whenever you feel like it?
985[2019/07/14 15:52]  Krafties Resident: I was happy to see you back on SL
986[2019/07/14 15:52]  Krafties Resident: I was happy we were talking
987[2019/07/14 15:52]  JohnXi: i only came back because LL undeleted me
988[2019/07/14 15:52]  Krafties Resident: I'm not happy that you are disregarding my risk analysis here
989[2019/07/14 15:53]  JohnXi: well here's the deal kris
990[2019/07/14 15:53]  JohnXi: im releasing limbo
991[2019/07/14 15:53]  JohnXi: you have the leverage to throw me under the bus, cause you're the creator
992[2019/07/14 15:54]  Krafties Resident: You know I'm not that kind of person
993[2019/07/14 15:54]  Krafties Resident: We're very different people
994[2019/07/14 15:54]  JohnXi: well i don't care, because i think this is the right thing to do
995[2019/07/14 15:54]  JohnXi: same feeling i had when i started krafties againsts breedables
996[2019/07/14 15:54]  Krafties Resident: Yes, it's right for you
997[2019/07/14 15:54]  Krafties Resident: Only thing you care about
998[2019/07/14 15:54]  JohnXi: if you wanna fuck me, go for it
999[2019/07/14 15:55]  Krafties Resident: You're fucking me dude
1000[2019/07/14 15:55]  Krafties Resident: This is the nail
1001[2019/07/14 15:55]  JohnXi: limbo coming dude
1002[2019/07/14 15:55]  Krafties Resident: Alright, thanks for the heads up
1003[2019/07/14 15:55]  JohnXi: if energy worth nothing next week, easy to blame John
1004[2019/07/14 15:55]  JohnXi: i get it
1005[2019/07/14 15:56]  Krafties Resident: Our personal relationship ends here
1006[2019/07/14 15:56]  Krafties Resident: I wish you luck in all your future endeavors
1007[2019/07/14 15:56]  JohnXi: 5 years ive given you free money. For what?
1008[2019/07/14 15:56]  JohnXi: nothing
1009[2019/07/14 15:56]  Krafties Resident: Free money?
1010[2019/07/14 15:56]  Krafties Resident: Whatever man
1011[2019/07/14 15:56]  Krafties Resident: you had a comprable offer
1012[2019/07/14 15:56]  Krafties Resident: twice now
1013[2019/07/14 15:57]  JohnXi: No deal.
1014[2019/07/14 15:57]  Krafties Resident: You're kidding yourself if you keep blaming anything negative in your life on me
1015[2019/07/14 15:57]  Krafties Resident: It's all you
1016[2019/07/14 15:57]  JohnXi: You're not making me feel guilty any more kris
1017[2019/07/14 15:57]  JohnXi: Limbo might flop, you made this a big deal
1018[2019/07/14 15:58]  Krafties Resident: It's not about Limbo and you know it
1019[2019/07/14 15:58]  JohnXi: ok
1020[2019/07/14 15:58]  Krafties Resident: But whatever man, you don't care
1021[2019/07/14 15:58]  Krafties Resident: so I'm wasting my time here
1022[2019/07/14 15:58]  JohnXi: if i wanted krafties, id of took your deal
1023[2019/07/14 15:58]  JohnXi: sit back and enjoy the show
1024[2019/07/14 15:59]  JohnXi: im only doing what any thing party creator can do you insecure maniac
1025[2019/07/14 15:59]  Krafties Resident: Lol, I'm a maniac... that's funny
1026[2019/07/14 15:59]  JohnXi: watch and learn
1027[2019/07/14 15:59]  JohnXi: one of us is a crazy
1028[2019/07/14 16:00]  JohnXi: hope it's not me
1029[2019/07/14 16:00]  Krafties Resident: I would say statistically, based on number of accusers, it's probably you
1030[2019/07/14 16:00]  JohnXi: lol
1031[2019/07/14 16:00]  Krafties Resident: But you definitely have a way of using it to your advantage
1032[2019/07/14 16:00]  JohnXi: /me bows
1033[2019/07/14 16:57]  JohnXi: i hope you help me with limbo, i dont want your endorsement at this point. Just let me do what I do man
1034[2019/07/14 16:57]  JohnXi: If i fuck it it up, just met me fuck up and don't take responsibility
1035[2019/07/14 16:58]  JohnXi: thats all i want Kris
1036[2019/07/14 16:59]  JohnXi: just let me fuck it up for myself if i do kris
1037[2019/07/14 17:00]  JohnXi: but man if if i pull this off, you're crazy not me
1038[2019/07/16 13:44]  Krafties Resident: Sorry man, I tried to word things in a way that framed it as a tentative situation, but I guess it wasn't made as clear as it should have been. If this input doesn't help you then feel free to disregard it, but the biggest turn off for me was the way in which everything was communicated. That's not meant as a criticism, and I don't want to get into some sort of argument again, but maybe it will help in some way. Like I said before, I would be open to chatting as parties with mutual interests and projects, but getting back in bed together at this stage scares the hell out of me.
1039[2019/07/16 13:45]  JohnXi: it's all good man, i shouldn't of put the pressure on you really
1040[2019/07/16 13:46]  JohnXi: im gonna make runescape in SL now, i really wanna do this for fun man
1041[2019/07/16 13:47]  JohnXi: im not doing this to screw krafties or anything
1042[2019/07/16 13:47]  JohnXi: i should really be allowed to say im the co founder of krafties and im entitled to do what i like
1043[2019/07/16 13:48]  JohnXi: why am i ashamed to tell anyone i helped make krafties?
1044[2019/07/16 13:48]  Krafties Resident: You can say you're the co creator, no issues there
1045[2019/07/16 13:48]  JohnXi: yeah man
1046[2019/07/16 13:49]  JohnXi: gonna make RS in SL and release limbo for that instead
1047[2019/07/16 13:49]  Krafties Resident: It's just trying to promote things through krafties that's kinda weird
1048[2019/07/16 13:49]  JohnXi: yeah it is a bit
1049[2019/07/16 13:50]  JohnXi: but when you think about it, it's not really
1050[2019/07/16 13:50]  JohnXi: see with this runescape game im gonna make, i've gotta use attack, strength and defense
1051[2019/07/16 13:50]  JohnXi: people will naturally think i copied krafties
1052[2019/07/16 13:51]  JohnXi: but you have to ignore them man, this is nothing like krafties
1053[2019/07/16 13:51]  Krafties Resident: Not something we need to get into again. Just find a new experience and level system internally and we should be fine
1054[2019/07/16 13:51]  Krafties Resident: though I really don't know why you want to spend time and energy here
1055[2019/07/16 13:51]  JohnXi: it's hard when people associate you with 1 thing
1056[2019/07/16 13:51]  Krafties Resident: If I were you I'd be taking advantage of the freedom and be working on a bigger platform
1057[2019/07/16 13:51]  JohnXi: but thats my problem not yours
1058[2019/07/16 13:52]  JohnXi: i conquered the big platforms kris, i want to have fun for once
1059[2019/07/16 13:52]  Krafties Resident: There's still so much more to conquer
1060[2019/07/16 13:52]  JohnXi: sick of conquering bigger and better just to make everyone else happy
1061[2019/07/16 13:52]  Krafties Resident: but, that's your choice
1062[2019/07/16 13:53]  JohnXi: i wanna make another mmorpg in SL
1063[2019/07/16 13:53]  JohnXi: thats how i feel kris
1064[2019/07/16 13:53]  JohnXi: it would be a childhood dream to bring RS he
1065[2019/07/16 13:53]  JohnXi: here
1066[2019/07/16 13:53]  JohnXi: and i shouldnt feel guilty about it
1067[2019/07/16 13:54]  JohnXi: the only person who can make me feel guilty, is you
1068[2019/07/16 13:54]  Krafties Resident: Well, just play fair and don't do anything weird, everything will be fine
1069[2019/07/16 13:54]  JohnXi: yeah
1070[2019/07/16 13:54]  JohnXi: was i unfair with krafties?
1071[2019/07/16 13:55]  JohnXi: id love to steal your idea with mental in krafties
1072[2019/07/16 13:55]  JohnXi: that was genius
1073[2019/07/16 13:56]  JohnXi: but i dont work like that
1074[2019/07/16 13:56]  JohnXi: god knows where you got the idea for 3 mental skills from, but it was genius
1075[2019/07/16 13:57]  JohnXi: probably from the same place as the shadow
1076[2019/07/16 13:59]  Krafties Resident: I'm sure you know you're taking on risk just from your history with Krafties and that association. If there's anything amiss I'll have to do something about it, I just can't not if I'm here in SL. Not meant as a threat, but something you should keep in mind. All around, it's going to be hard for you to make this look good from the outside. Even talking with you about it has triggered quite a few questions on my side
1077[2019/07/16 13:59]  Krafties Resident: But if you play fair then there shouldn't be any problems, I'd say you're taking on the brunt of the risk with this endeavor
1078[2019/07/16 14:00]  JohnXi: yeah i understand what you're saying
1079[2019/07/16 14:00]  JohnXi: the same reason they tried to throw me under the bus when we released krafties
1080[2019/07/16 14:00]  JohnXi: LL endorsed us and then booshies sank
1081[2019/07/16 14:01]  JohnXi: there was a few angry peeps back then, and I just kept riding the storm and now look
1082[2019/07/16 14:02]  JohnXi: i asked booshies creator if she wanted to design for us back then, probably a 3 sentence convo
1083[2019/07/16 14:02]  JohnXi: and she spun it like we fucked them over
1084[2019/07/16 14:02]  JohnXi: all hell broke loose cause of that
1085[2019/07/16 14:03]  JohnXi: she spun it like i wanted to forget krafties and work for them instead
1086[2019/07/16 14:04]  JohnXi: i remember that like it was yesterday
1087[2019/07/16 14:05]  JohnXi: i remember emailing the new LL CEO back then saying wtf
1088[2019/07/16 14:05]  JohnXi: you promoting booshies to the clouds, what about krafties
1089[2019/07/16 14:05]  JohnXi: in the end LL succumbed and they promoted us to the moon and back
1090[2019/07/16 14:05]  JohnXi: then everyone was angry
1091[2019/07/16 14:06]  JohnXi: the rest was history
1092[2019/07/16 14:06]  JohnXi: we wasnt in the destination guide for weeks, i think we had 5000 players before LL put us in the guide
1093[2019/07/16 14:07]  JohnXi: 7 years later, i look in whats hot guide and krafties there everytime
1094[2019/07/16 14:07]  JohnXi: krafties never once made it in editors picks, so shit
1095[2019/07/16 14:08]  JohnXi: at least torley came and visited
1096[2019/07/16 14:08]  JohnXi: i should show you the email i send the new CEO back then
1097[2019/07/16 14:09]  JohnXi: cause I sorta did it behind your back
1098[2019/07/16 14:10]  JohnXi: sec
1099[2019/07/16 14:19]  JohnXi: i cant find the email, i seen it the other week though
1100[2019/07/16 14:20]  JohnXi: it was an interesting email to Ebbe on his first day, the very next day we was the new hot topic in destinations
1101[2019/07/16 14:27]  Krafties Resident: He respond?
1102[2019/07/16 14:37]  JohnXi: found the email, this is what i said verbatim
1103[2019/07/16 14:38]  JohnXi: wth man, its gone again
1104[2019/07/16 14:39]  JohnXi: i definitely look crazy now
1105[2019/07/16 14:42]  JohnXi: Welcome to Second Life Ebbe.
1106 John Wright
1107 Fri 07/03/2014 00:25
1108 Hi Ebbe.
1109 
1110 Welcome to Second Life.  I haven't been this impressed by a new Linden Lab CEO for a long time.
1111 
1112 I am one of the 2 creators of Krafties in Second Life and I am asking for your help.  Due to the popularity of Krafties we have attracted many cheaters and exploiters.  The biggest issue we face is Illegal Item Duplication.  I am not entirely sure of the process at which these people are duplicating items but it is a known fact. I submitted a JIRA on 9th October 2013 and we are still seeing people exploit these issues.  We are developing our own licensing system to prevent this but it has been very demotivating to know that Linden Lab are aware and seem to be doing nothing.  Intellectual property protection should be number 1 priority and I hope that you can resolve this.
1113 
1114 Krafties is a completely free game in Second Life, which alot of people seem to enjoy and many new residents play.  It would be great for everyone all round, if Krafties had access to the starting islands where new residents land.  Not only is Krafties a popular social game, it is a perfect gateway for new Residents to learn Second Life, meet new friends and get help from fellow experienced residents and explore.  We feel that exposing Krafties to new residents will offer them an adventure in which they can instantly be immersed into Second Life activities, and offer people a level of investment for coming back to Second Life.
1115 
1116 Regards
1117 John Wright / JohnXi Resident
1118[2019/07/16 14:45]  JohnXi: if i told you at the time i was emailing LL, you would've thought I'm even dodgier
1119[2019/07/16 14:45]  JohnXi: but who cares now
1120[2019/07/16 14:54]  JohnXi: the very next day after that email, we was headline news in SL, believe that
1121[2019/07/16 14:55]  JohnXi: torley was taking pics, we was in the destination guide, we was in some blog where they was all saying johnxi was a scammer
1122[2019/07/16 14:55]  JohnXi: shit hit the fan when i sent that email
1123[2019/07/16 14:56]  JohnXi: even the breedable blogs started blogging about us heh
1124[2019/07/16 15:03]  JohnXi: i checked on linden realms today, they have over 200 sims
1125[2019/07/16 15:03]  JohnXi: fucking ludicrous
1126[2019/07/16 15:04]  JohnXi: and you're worried about limbo!
1127[2019/07/16 15:34]  JohnXi: [15:33] JohnXi: hey celeste be honest
1128 [15:33] JohnXi: did you want booshies to beat krafties?
1129 [15:34] Celeste Auer: yes,  very much so, it was   am impressive  game,   bu tthe management  killed it
1130 [15:34] Celeste Auer: not that i wanted it  specificallly to   beat  Krafties, but i  wanted  another  game  besides  Kraftiess
1131[2019/07/16 15:35]  JohnXi: thank me later
1132[2019/07/16 15:39]  JohnXi: [15:38] JohnXi: why do you still play krafties
1133 [15:38] JohnXi: cause booshies dead?
1134 [15:38] JohnXi: be honest
1135[2019/07/16 15:40]  JohnXi: [15:39] Celeste Auer: cause  there is nothuing else in SL  really  that interest me here, i have been with sl from a  few  weeks  after they  released
1136 [15:40] JohnXi: yeah
1137 [15:40] Celeste Auer: several  reasons, beside nothing  else   like it
1138[2019/07/16 15:40]  JohnXi: so leave me the f alone
1139[2019/07/16 15:49]  JohnXi: [15:44] Celeste Auer: wb
1140 [15:44] JohnXi: how did you feel when you realized krafties was better than booshies?
1141 [15:45] JohnXi: it hurt me
1142 [15:47] Celeste Auer: John,  Krafties was not better than  Booshies as  a   game,   it was the management and  not being able  to  get  coders.... remember   Krafties had  a   6 months  head  start on  Booshies  and it cost up   front unlike  Booshies
1143 [15:48] JohnXi: nope
1144 [15:48] JohnXi: they had a 6 month head start on us
1145 [15:48] Celeste Auer: planning, not releasing
1146 [15:49] JohnXi: they had 6 months on us, they had all the ingredients
1147 [15:49] JohnXi: krafties came out of nowhere
1148[2019/07/16 15:49]  JohnXi: this is true right?
1149[2019/07/16 15:58]  JohnXi: [15:56] JohnXi: anyway im gonna make a new game for this SL biz
1150 [15:56] JohnXi: and this time im gonna own it
1151 [15:56] JohnXi: do you believe me?
1152 [15:57] Celeste Auer: I think if anyone  can do it, you  can
1153 [15:57] Celeste Auer: I do beleive that
1154 [15:57] JohnXi: thankyou
1155 [15:57] JohnXi: i believe it too
1156 [15:58] JohnXi: just trust me man
1157 [15:58] Celeste Auer: its  a lot to pul  together, but   right now, is the  best time  thats been in   years for it to happen
1158 [15:58] JohnXi: ye
1159[2019/07/16 16:05]  JohnXi: [16:01] JohnXi: when did i leave
1160 [16:02] JohnXi: 4-5 years ago
1161 [16:02] Celeste Auer: march 2014
1162 [16:02] JohnXi: 5+
1163 [16:04] JohnXi: i aint gonna lie to ya luv, it's so hard to win your respect until we leave
1164 [16:04] JohnXi: kris sacrificed his like for 5 years, for what?
1165 [16:05] JohnXi: for him to make you a decent living lol?
1166[2019/07/16 16:08]  Krafties Resident: Yikes lol...
1167[2019/07/16 16:08]  JohnXi: [16:07] Celeste Auer: Kris and you  were   an unknown   situation and Kris  did something  in the   beginning of the  game, that made me  leery of   trust
1168[2019/07/16 16:08]  JohnXi: getting to the juicy shit here
1169[2019/07/16 16:09]  JohnXi: dont IM her whatever you do
1170[2019/07/16 16:09]  Krafties Resident: As far as I remember, I didn't know about booshies until we were far into development
1171[2019/07/16 16:09]  Krafties Resident: Not sure how long they had been working on it
1172[2019/07/16 16:10]  Krafties Resident: Not gonna IM her lol, don't have to worry about that
1173[2019/07/16 16:10]  JohnXi: getting into the nitty gritty here
1174[2019/07/16 16:10]  Krafties Resident: I've learned to steer clear of unnecessary drama and just focus on what needs to be done
1175[2019/07/16 16:10]  JohnXi: why she so mad at krafties
1176[2019/07/16 16:11]  Krafties Resident: But am interested what I could have done in the beginning of the game... I feel like I was straightforward with everything
1177[2019/07/16 16:14]  Krafties Resident: Why am I in a conference with  Celeste?
1178[2019/07/16 16:15]  Krafties Resident: Got a lot on my plate right now man... really not looking to rock the boat like this
1179[2019/07/16 16:15]  JohnXi: creators
1180 [16:13] Celeste Auer: when you left, i did  not know why.. i  still  do not know why
1181 [16:14] JohnXi: i cant tell you why but you wont listen
1182 [16:14] Celeste Auer: but it  does not  really  matter.....    something  replacing Krafties, that  is   dying and  so many have left and looking for  something else
1183 [16:14] JohnXi: youll think ive got some crazy agenda
1184 [16:14] JohnXi: like you did when we released krafties
1185[2019/07/16 16:15]  JohnXi: fuck this crao
1186[2019/07/16 16:15]  JohnXi: seriously
1187[2019/07/16 16:16]  Krafties Resident: Um
1188[2019/07/16 16:16]  Krafties Resident: I'm a little lost...
1189[2019/07/16 16:16]  JohnXi: she thinks i know something you dont
1190[2019/07/16 16:16]  JohnXi: you think i know something she dont
1191[2019/07/16 16:17]  JohnXi: fuck this
1192[2019/07/16 16:17]  JohnXi: all i wanted to do was release limbo
1193[2019/07/16 16:17]  Krafties Resident: I really wanted nothing to do with this lol
1194[2019/07/16 16:17]  JohnXi: thats all.
1195[2019/07/16 16:17]  Krafties Resident: This just kinda popped up out of the blue
1196[2019/07/16 16:17]  Krafties Resident: Your conversation with celeste
1197[2019/07/16 16:18]  JohnXi: cba mate
1198[2019/07/16 16:18]  JohnXi: it was nice for her to admit she wanted booshies to win over us
1199[2019/07/16 16:18]  JohnXi: did you recognize that at the time?
1200[2019/07/16 16:19]  JohnXi: i did
1201[2019/07/16 16:19]  JohnXi: ye u was probably oblivious
1202[2019/07/16 16:19]  Krafties Resident: Just didn't really care
1203[2019/07/16 16:19]  Krafties Resident: Sort of like with this, more trouble than it's worth
1204[2019/07/16 16:20]  JohnXi: good job i cared
1205[2019/07/16 16:20]  Krafties Resident: Not much to be gained from this, and can jeep making stuff people like
1206[2019/07/16 16:20]  JohnXi: cause we was doomed
1207[2019/07/16 16:20]  Krafties Resident: keep
1208[2019/07/16 16:20]  JohnXi: easy to say we won now
1209[2019/07/16 16:20]  Krafties Resident: Did she say what it was I did?
1210[2019/07/16 16:20]  Krafties Resident: Thats something I'd be interested in
1211[2019/07/16 16:20]  JohnXi: i just told you
1212[2019/07/16 16:20]  JohnXi: they tried to screw us
1213[2019/07/16 16:21]  JohnXi: they gave their best shot
1214[2019/07/16 16:22]  JohnXi: she wanted booshies to win, she admitted it
1215[2019/07/16 16:22]  Krafties Resident: [16:08] JohnXi: [16:07] Celeste Auer: Kris and you  were   an unknown   situation and Kris  did something  in the   beginning of the  game, that made me  leery of   trust
1216[2019/07/16 16:23]  JohnXi: u missed the bit before that
1217[2019/07/16 16:23]  JohnXi: u coherent now?
1218[2019/07/16 16:24]  JohnXi: [15:49] JohnXi: this is true right?
1219 [15:58] JohnXi: [15:56] JohnXi: anyway im gonna make a new game for this SL biz
1220 [15:56] JohnXi: and this time im gonna own it
1221 [15:56] JohnXi: do you believe me?
1222 [15:57] Celeste Auer: I think if anyone  can do it, you  can
1223 [15:57] Celeste Auer: I do beleive that
1224[2019/07/16 16:25]  JohnXi: how in the world am i gonna fix this mess
1225[2019/07/16 16:25]  Krafties Resident: I'm pretty lost to be honest man
1226[2019/07/16 16:25]  JohnXi: catch up
1227[2019/07/16 16:25]  JohnXi: she wanted booshies to win
1228[2019/07/16 16:26]  Krafties Resident: I'm getting snippets of conversation and not sure we're talking about the same things
1229[2019/07/16 16:26]  Krafties Resident: I mean, I'm fine with that. It's in the past
1230[2019/07/16 16:26]  Krafties Resident: Both Krafties and Booshies were unknowns
1231[2019/07/16 16:26]  JohnXi: ye
1232[2019/07/16 16:26]  Krafties Resident: To her we were just 2 competing products
1233[2019/07/16 16:27]  JohnXi: she tried to hack us
1234[2019/07/16 16:27]  JohnXi: you're an idiot if you dont remember this
1235[2019/07/16 16:27]  Krafties Resident: You're getting kind of aggressive again man..
1236[2019/07/16 16:27]  JohnXi: the only reason we disabled energy was for that reason
1237[2019/07/16 16:28]  Krafties Resident: Everything alright? You were good like an hour ago
1238[2019/07/16 16:28]  JohnXi: its so stupid
1239[2019/07/16 16:29]  JohnXi: if you're gonna blame me for you're problems, i got limbo ace in my sleeve
1240[2019/07/16 16:29]  JohnXi: dont try and me me look silly
1241[2019/07/16 16:29]  Krafties Resident: How am I blaming you for any problems?
1242[2019/07/16 16:29]  JohnXi: im not saying that
1243[2019/07/16 16:29]  Krafties Resident: This is a serious question, are you drinking?
1244[2019/07/16 16:30]  JohnXi: serious answer, no
1245[2019/07/16 16:30]  JohnXi: are you?
1246[2019/07/16 16:30]  Krafties Resident: No man...
1247[2019/07/16 16:30]  JohnXi: so why...
1248[2019/07/16 16:30]  Krafties Resident: Why what?
1249[2019/07/16 16:30]  JohnXi: why this even an issue
1250[2019/07/16 16:30]  JohnXi: why cant i release limbo
1251[2019/07/16 16:31]  Krafties Resident: I don't know what issue you're talking about at this point
1252[2019/07/16 16:31]  JohnXi: i just asked you
1253[2019/07/16 16:31]  JohnXi: why are you stopping me from releasing limbo?
1254[2019/07/16 16:31]  Krafties Resident: Well, I've outlined everything with you multiple times. I'm not sure why you're pushing for this so hard
1255[2019/07/16 16:31]  JohnXi: you havent
1256[2019/07/16 16:32]  Krafties Resident: I specifically asked you to not make Krafties your only option there
1257[2019/07/16 16:32]  Krafties Resident: To try and prevent this situation
1258[2019/07/16 16:32]  JohnXi: give me 1 reason why you dont want me releasing limbo?
1259[2019/07/16 16:32]  JohnXi: because i might sink your ship?
1260[2019/07/16 16:33]  Krafties Resident: Your previous association with the game and the risk associated with you flip flopping emotionally, a lot like what seems to be happening right now
1261[2019/07/16 16:33]  JohnXi: tell you what kris, im gonna call yor bluff
1262[2019/07/16 16:33]  JohnXi: gimme krafties, i accept your deal
1263[2019/07/16 16:33]  Krafties Resident: You understand the deal fully?
1264[2019/07/16 16:34]  JohnXi: yes
1265[2019/07/16 16:34]  Krafties Resident: Could you outline it for me so I know there's an understanding
1266[2019/07/16 16:34]  JohnXi: i accept your deal
1267[2019/07/16 16:34]  JohnXi: first things first
1268[2019/07/16 16:34]  JohnXi: im scrapping your hud
1269[2019/07/16 16:34]  JohnXi: next im release limbo
1270[2019/07/16 16:35]  JohnXi: you wanted a salary right?
1271[2019/07/16 16:35]  JohnXi: put your money where your mouth is
1272[2019/07/16 16:35]  Krafties Resident: Don't need it, but if you want help transitioning and releasing content I'll help while you look for a replacement
1273[2019/07/16 16:35]  Krafties Resident: that hinges on you being civil
1274[2019/07/16 16:35]  JohnXi: you aint got the balls
1275[2019/07/16 16:35]  JohnXi: i called your bluff
1276[2019/07/16 16:36]  Krafties Resident: Dude, you know how difficult you've made  the past week?
1277[2019/07/16 16:36]  Krafties Resident: Just outline the deal fully so I know you unnderstand
1278[2019/07/16 16:36]  JohnXi: you should let me release limbo
1279[2019/07/16 16:36]  Krafties Resident: I'm not giving you anything, but you can buy back in
1280[2019/07/16 16:36]  JohnXi: you really should, ive done so much for you
1281[2019/07/16 16:36]  Krafties Resident: I'll help with the transition, with the understanding that you remain civil during the process
1282[2019/07/16 16:37]  Krafties Resident: If you want that deal, then I'll dicuss it further with you
1283[2019/07/16 16:37]  Krafties Resident: discuss*
1284[2019/07/16 16:37]  JohnXi: if i take over krafties kris
1285[2019/07/16 16:37]  JohnXi: im scrapping that dodgy hud
1286[2019/07/16 16:38]  JohnXi: lemme make this clear
1287[2019/07/16 16:38]  Krafties Resident: It'll be your decision to make at that point
1288[2019/07/16 16:38]  JohnXi: i left for that fucking reason
1289[2019/07/16 16:38]  Krafties Resident: You should be warned that it will take significant work to do so
1290[2019/07/16 16:38]  JohnXi: not 5 years
1291[2019/07/16 16:39]  Krafties Resident: Yes, I have cleaned up a lot of issues
1292[2019/07/16 16:39]  Krafties Resident: Should be a pretty simple transition
1293[2019/07/16 16:39]  JohnXi: probably fucking will actually, now that you turned it around
1294[2019/07/16 16:39]  JohnXi: well here
1295[2019/07/16 16:39]  Krafties Resident: Lots of asset protection built in
1296[2019/07/16 16:39]  Krafties Resident: And abuse detection
1297[2019/07/16 16:39]  JohnXi: ill try and hold the fort
1298[2019/07/16 16:40]  JohnXi: so you can do what i did
1299[2019/07/16 16:40]  Krafties Resident: Before we discuss any details further, you understand that this wouldn't be me "giving" Krafties to you, right?
1300[2019/07/16 16:42]  JohnXi: no its gonna me holding the fort for you
1301[2019/07/16 16:42]  Krafties Resident: And I would like some assurances that you'll at least try to protect the current players interests
1302[2019/07/16 16:42]  JohnXi: i feel so crap
1303[2019/07/16 16:43]  JohnXi: im doing this for you, like you did for me
1304[2019/07/16 16:43]  Krafties Resident: Dude, you don't have to do this
1305[2019/07/16 16:43]  JohnXi: god knows how im gonna do this
1306[2019/07/16 16:43]  JohnXi: nah i gotta call your bluff
1307[2019/07/16 16:43]  Krafties Resident: But you also don't have to be here making things more difficult
1308[2019/07/16 16:43]  JohnXi: see if you the real deal
1309[2019/07/16 16:44]  Krafties Resident: It's not a bluff, I have other projects to invest in
1310[2019/07/16 16:44]  JohnXi: nah, im willing to take this challenge kris
1311[2019/07/16 16:44]  Krafties Resident: I'll be sad to see Kraffties go, but with you being back there's no security here
1312[2019/07/16 16:44]  JohnXi: i can do this
1313[2019/07/16 16:44]  JohnXi: i think i can hold it down
1314[2019/07/16 16:45]  Krafties Resident: So with what Krafties paid out, you're looking at about ~24kUSD
1315[2019/07/16 16:45]  JohnXi: your turn to have 5 years without krafties
1316[2019/07/16 16:45]  JohnXi: its not about the money bro
1317[2019/07/16 16:45]  JohnXi: i did that on a daily
1318[2019/07/16 16:45]  Krafties Resident: Ok, I want to make sure this is as clear as possible though
1319[2019/07/16 16:45]  JohnXi: im calling your bluff
1320[2019/07/16 16:46]  Krafties Resident: It's really not a bluff man
1321[2019/07/16 16:46]  Krafties Resident: don't know why you think it is
1322[2019/07/16 16:46]  JohnXi: limbo is there, if you dont like it, what?
1323[2019/07/16 16:46]  Krafties Resident: Let's just table the limbo talk
1324[2019/07/16 16:46]  Krafties Resident: if you wanna talk deal, lets talk deal
1325[2019/07/16 16:46]  JohnXi: i really dont want to make another mmo for what
1326[2019/07/16 16:46]  JohnXi: but i will
1327[2019/07/16 16:47]  Krafties Resident: Ok, well it seems like you're back and forth on a lot of things right now
1328[2019/07/16 16:47]  JohnXi: if you wanna gimme krafties, put your money where your mouth is
1329[2019/07/16 16:47]  JohnXi: i think you're scared to lose credit for krafties
1330[2019/07/16 16:48]  Krafties Resident: I'll always be a cofounder, and was with it for 7 years
1331[2019/07/16 16:48]  JohnXi: if i release limbo and it blows up, you're gonna look gay in your eyes
1332[2019/07/16 16:48]  Krafties Resident: I'm fine with looking gay lol
1333[2019/07/16 16:48]  Krafties Resident: Nothing wrong with being gay
1334[2019/07/16 16:48]  JohnXi: so then gime krafties
1335[2019/07/16 16:48]  Krafties Resident: And if you're serious bout this deal, then we can start talks
1336[2019/07/16 16:48]  JohnXi: i understand what im getting myself into
1337[2019/07/16 16:48]  JohnXi: i made this shit remember
1338[2019/07/16 16:49]  JohnXi: upto you
1339[2019/07/16 16:49]  Krafties Resident: We need to have a real conversation about numbers though, because again I'm not "giving" anything to you
1340[2019/07/16 16:49]  JohnXi: what do you want if i take over?
1341[2019/07/16 16:49]  Krafties Resident: Let me find my previous IM
1342[2019/07/16 16:50]  JohnXi: i would never cut you off after 6 months
1343[2019/07/16 16:51]  Krafties Resident: [2019/07/14 14:16]  Krafties: There's nothing there for me man, you're too much for me to handle right now. You seed my transition like we did for you back in the day, I'm good to go. Pay what Krafties paid out while you weren't working, and that brings us even. Then that same amount and you'll own it. That's a deal, and all I ask is that I maintain rights to code and tools created. You would own art and ed assets, be able to do whatever you want with the code base including release it all of you want. I just want to be able to work on new projects without worrying about code usage rights
1344[2019/07/16 16:51]  Krafties Resident: This is intended to be an up front payment from you to me
1345[2019/07/16 16:51]  JohnXi: look hers the deal
1346[2019/07/16 16:51]  JohnXi: you offered me krafties
1347[2019/07/16 16:51]  JohnXi: give it me
1348[2019/07/16 16:51]  Krafties Resident: We can do 2 installments if you like
1349[2019/07/16 16:51]  JohnXi: how much?
1350[2019/07/16 16:52]  Krafties Resident: ~12kUSD each installment
1351[2019/07/16 16:52]  Krafties Resident: The firsts would cancel out what Krafties paid to you
1352[2019/07/16 16:52]  JohnXi: 24k
1353[2019/07/16 16:52]  JohnXi: cant afford it kris
1354[2019/07/16 16:52]  Krafties Resident: Second would be what Krafties paid you for ownership
1355[2019/07/16 16:52]  JohnXi: since when has krafties did 24 grant
1356[2019/07/16 16:53]  Krafties Resident: I went back and looked at the numbers before I sent you this offer
1357[2019/07/16 16:53]  Krafties Resident: It's structured fairly
1358[2019/07/16 16:53]  Krafties Resident: Way more than fair for you
1359[2019/07/16 16:53]  JohnXi: itll take me years to get 24 grand back, even if i milked it
1360[2019/07/16 16:54]  Krafties Resident: You'd get that back within 6 months
1361[2019/07/16 16:54]  JohnXi: not worth 24k man
1362[2019/07/16 16:54]  JohnXi: 50/50 for 6 months, same deal you give me
1363[2019/07/16 16:54]  JohnXi: thats fair
1364[2019/07/16 16:55]  Krafties Resident: Ececpt that I've put 5 years of development work and asset creation into the business without you
1365[2019/07/16 16:55]  Krafties Resident: So really, my offer to you was low
1366[2019/07/16 16:55]  Krafties Resident: based only on me wanting to make a fair offer, so you couldn't accuse me of being unfair
1367[2019/07/16 16:55]  JohnXi: 50/50 is my offer dude
1368[2019/07/16 16:55]  Krafties Resident: Then there's no deal
1369[2019/07/16 16:56]  Krafties Resident: You were paid out, I hope that you can respect that
1370[2019/07/16 16:56]  JohnXi: ok i make my game, goodluck
1371[2019/07/16 16:56]  JohnXi: yeah
1372[2019/07/16 16:57]  Krafties Resident: Alright man
1373[2019/07/16 16:58]  JohnXi: 24k your price?
1374[2019/07/16 16:58]  Krafties Resident: I just hope that whatever decision you make right now you stick with, The back and forth is a nightmare
1375[2019/07/16 16:58]  Krafties Resident: It's my offer for you, and you alone
1376[2019/07/16 16:58]  JohnXi: i might take you on it it for sentimental value
1377[2019/07/16 16:58]  JohnXi: 24 grand, zero %
1378[2019/07/16 16:59]  JohnXi: and i do wtf i want with krafties
1379[2019/07/16 16:59]  Krafties Resident: Yes
1380[2019/07/16 16:59]  Krafties Resident: that is not including the salaried time I would spend helping you with the transition or creating content
1381[2019/07/16 16:59]  JohnXi: 5 years and your price is 24k, you're a joke
1382[2019/07/16 17:00]  JohnXi: 24k no catch, thats my deal
1383[2019/07/16 17:00]  Krafties Resident: Honestly man, it's because you're pushing me to just give up entirely
1384[2019/07/16 17:00]  JohnXi: so im to blame for your price
1385[2019/07/16 17:00]  Krafties Resident: at least I'll get something this way
1386[2019/07/16 17:00]  Krafties Resident: You're back why exactly?/
1387[2019/07/16 17:00]  Krafties Resident: Because right now, it feels like it's just to mess with me
1388[2019/07/16 17:00]  JohnXi: no
1389[2019/07/16 17:01]  Krafties Resident: Whatever your vendetta is, I just want to be done with it
1390[2019/07/16 17:01]  Krafties Resident: Players will be alright with this shift, if I sold to something else Krafties would probably die
1391[2019/07/16 17:01]  Krafties Resident: So I donn't feel like I have many other options
1392[2019/07/16 17:02]  Krafties Resident: Yes, it is extremely low. But I'm young enough I can use the money to fund another project
1393[2019/07/16 17:02]  Krafties Resident: Of which I have many in mind
1394[2019/07/16 17:03]  JohnXi: its so stupid you dont even see
1395[2019/07/16 17:03]  Krafties Resident: Tired of the stress man
1396[2019/07/16 17:03]  JohnXi: you're fucking causing it kris
1397[2019/07/16 17:03]  Krafties Resident: after I've finished my obligations here, I'll walk away and you'll probably never hear from me
1398[2019/07/16 17:04]  JohnXi: i just wanted to come back and make a new game
1399[2019/07/16 17:04]  JohnXi: well hey
1400[2019/07/16 17:04]  JohnXi: i called your bluff, you flopped
1401[2019/07/16 17:05]  JohnXi: now im making RS for S
1402[2019/07/16 17:05]  Krafties Resident: I thought you were interested...
1403[2019/07/16 17:05]  Krafties Resident: Very hard to communicate with you right now for some reason
1404[2019/07/16 17:05]  Krafties Resident: Lots of mixed signals
1405[2019/07/16 17:05]  JohnXi: 24k makes me so sad
1406[2019/07/16 17:05]  JohnXi: why did i even leave to begin with
1407[2019/07/16 17:06]  JohnXi: feel like i wasted 2 years for fuck all
1408[2019/07/16 17:06]  Krafties Resident: You see why I structured the deal that way, right?
1409[2019/07/16 17:06]  JohnXi: no
1410[2019/07/16 17:06]  Krafties Resident: Well, it was for your benefit
1411[2019/07/16 17:07]  JohnXi: i understand the motivational aspect
1412[2019/07/16 17:07]  JohnXi: i had 6 months to do something or die
1413[2019/07/16 17:07]  Krafties Resident: It squares you up numbers wise with Krafties and with me
1414[2019/07/16 17:07]  JohnXi: yeah fuck knows
1415[2019/07/16 17:08]  Krafties Resident: Based on a time when you seem to feel you were unfairly treated?
1416[2019/07/16 17:08]  JohnXi: nope
1417[2019/07/16 17:08]  Krafties Resident: Essentially, I don't want you to ever be able to say I was unfair to you
1418[2019/07/16 17:09]  JohnXi: i guess we'll find out when we're dead
1419[2019/07/16 17:09]  JohnXi: only god knows this stuff
1420[2019/07/16 17:09]  JohnXi: i think you was fair but i think i was the better partner
1421[2019/07/16 17:10]  JohnXi: and you think the same
1422[2019/07/16 17:10]  JohnXi: only god knows who was the best partner
1423[2019/07/16 17:10]  Krafties Resident: I guess so
1424[2019/07/16 17:10]  JohnXi: maybe we was the same
1425[2019/07/16 17:11]  Krafties Resident: Dunno man, just don't know
1426[2019/07/16 17:11]  JohnXi: well if you find out, lemme know
1427[2019/07/16 17:11]  JohnXi: xD
1428[2019/07/16 17:12]  Krafties Resident: Yeah
1429[2019/07/16 17:13]  JohnXi: this is what happens when you create something beautiful multiple times
1430[2019/07/16 17:13]  JohnXi: people want credit
1431[2019/07/16 17:13]  Krafties Resident: Not sure what you're implying, but all good
1432[2019/07/16 17:14]  JohnXi: i cant take credit for krafites, brightpets or micropetz or thrive island
1433[2019/07/16 17:14]  JohnXi: im just a cog in the gears
1434[2019/07/16 17:14]  Krafties Resident: You can take half credit for starting Krafties
1435[2019/07/16 17:14]  Krafties Resident: Don't know about the others
1436[2019/07/16 17:15]  JohnXi: i can take half the credit for them too hopefully
1437[2019/07/16 17:15]  JohnXi: thats the least i deserve
1438[2019/07/16 17:16]  Krafties Resident: So I take it you've made your decision then?
1439[2019/07/16 17:16]  JohnXi: be honest to me
1440[2019/07/16 17:16]  Krafties Resident: You going back and forth is really hard man, maybe take some time to think
1441[2019/07/16 17:16]  JohnXi: do you think i can do a better job at krafties than you?
1442[2019/07/16 17:17]  JohnXi: if you think that, then i suppose its a deal
1443[2019/07/16 17:17]  Krafties Resident: It depends what you mean by better
1444[2019/07/16 17:17]  JohnXi: what i just said
1445[2019/07/16 17:17]  Krafties Resident: We operate differently, and your goals and my goals are different
1446[2019/07/16 17:18]  JohnXi: if i take over krafties, i dunno how im gonna do it but im gonna have to turn it into an empire aint i
1447[2019/07/16 17:18]  JohnXi: otherwise i look stupid
1448[2019/07/16 17:19]  JohnXi: i dont want krafties, but i want you to have the same break i did
1449[2019/07/16 17:19]  Krafties Resident: My agenda has always been to try and build something solid and lasting, so I don't take quick risks or gambles. Instead I send a bit more time planning. You are great at making fast deals and taking gambles that sometimes pan out in amazing ways, but other times expose more risk than I'm comfortable with
1450[2019/07/16 17:20]  Krafties Resident: That's a fundamental difference in how we operate as creators
1451[2019/07/16 17:20]  JohnXi: we got sucked into this didnt we
1452[2019/07/16 17:20]  JohnXi: i think we did
1453[2019/07/16 17:20]  Krafties Resident: I don't think you'll do better or worse, just differently
1454[2019/07/16 17:20]  Krafties Resident: I think that you'll probably make more profit when you firsts start off
1455[2019/07/16 17:20]  JohnXi: ye then you come along in 5 years and take over again
1456[2019/07/16 17:20]  JohnXi: its so crazy
1457[2019/07/16 17:21]  Krafties Resident: Naw man, I really won't
1458[2019/07/16 17:21]  JohnXi: man its so not so unimportant
1459[2019/07/16 17:21]  Krafties Resident: I can promise you that if I would have taken the deal 5 years ago I would never have come back like this
1460[2019/07/16 17:21]  JohnXi: you would though
1461[2019/07/16 17:21]  JohnXi: i know you
1462[2019/07/16 17:22]  JohnXi: its like saying to me, why bother with SL when you got more players than SL
1463[2019/07/16 17:22]  JohnXi: its nice to visit back
1464[2019/07/16 17:22]  Krafties Resident: If you don't want Krafties, don't take the deal
1465[2019/07/16 17:22]  JohnXi: i told ya, i want krafties
1466[2019/07/16 17:22]  Krafties Resident: But then all I ask is that you respect our previous deal
1467[2019/07/16 17:22]  JohnXi: im calling your bluff
1468[2019/07/16 17:22]  Krafties Resident: You just said you don't
1469[2019/07/16 17:23]  JohnXi: i want krafties, i give you 50/50 for 6 months
1470[2019/07/16 17:23]  Krafties Resident: That's not the deal lol
1471[2019/07/16 17:23]  Krafties Resident: You know the deal
1472[2019/07/16 17:23]  JohnXi: not depreciating value to motivate you
1473[2019/07/16 17:23]  JohnXi: 50/50 6 months then you're gone
1474[2019/07/16 17:23]  Krafties Resident: You don't come back after 5 years with the same offer
1475[2019/07/16 17:23]  JohnXi: thats my deal
1476[2019/07/16 17:23]  Krafties Resident: Not how this works at all
1477[2019/07/16 17:23]  Krafties Resident: Then there's no deal, like I said
1478[2019/07/16 17:24]  Krafties Resident: I'd love to keep working on Krafties
1479[2019/07/16 17:24]  JohnXi: good
1480[2019/07/16 17:24]  Krafties Resident: I love what I'm doing
1481[2019/07/16 17:24]  Krafties Resident: there was a future I saw clearly
1482[2019/07/16 17:24]  JohnXi: and me
1483[2019/07/16 17:24]  JohnXi: i threw a spanner in the the works
1484[2019/07/16 17:24]  Krafties Resident: But I can't have you hanging around and potentially causing problems
1485[2019/07/16 17:24]  Krafties Resident: That kills it all for me
1486[2019/07/16 17:25]  JohnXi: theres no way im leaving now kris
1487[2019/07/16 17:25]  JohnXi: ive given you 5 years
1488[2019/07/16 17:25]  Krafties Resident: You didn't give me anything...
1489[2019/07/16 17:25]  JohnXi: i should not feel ashamed
1490[2019/07/16 17:25]  Krafties Resident: And I'm not asking you to leave SL, do your own thing. whatever
1491[2019/07/16 17:25]  Krafties Resident: Just please man
1492[2019/07/16 17:25]  JohnXi: well im here to stay, maybe you'll understand how booshies felt now
1493[2019/07/16 17:26]  Krafties Resident: Respect the deal we made
1494[2019/07/16 17:26]  JohnXi: i should not feel ashamed just do you can do you
1495[2019/07/16 17:26]  JohnXi: i just feel proud i helped make krafties and i should wear it like a badge of honour
1496[2019/07/16 17:26]  Krafties Resident: Man, I don't want you to feel ashamed. I just want the same respect I've been trying to give you
1497[2019/07/16 17:27]  JohnXi: like i said man
1498[2019/07/16 17:27]  JohnXi: if you was having panic attacks with limbo
1499[2019/07/16 17:27]  JohnXi: imagine this new mmo
1500[2019/07/16 17:27]  JohnXi: to hell with it man
1501[2019/07/16 17:28]  Krafties Resident: Just keep it separate from Krafties, we're all good
1502[2019/07/16 17:28]  JohnXi: 24 is your price, and krafties aint worth 24k
1503[2019/07/16 17:28]  JohnXi: so whatever.
1504[2019/07/16 17:28]  Krafties Resident: It's worth more than that lol
1505[2019/07/16 17:29]  JohnXi: worth a million at least
1506[2019/07/16 17:29]  JohnXi: just gotta find the right buyer
1507[2019/07/16 17:30]  Krafties Resident: Anyway, I hope you can respect what I'm trying to do and why I'm doing it even if it's not exactly what you want
1508[2019/07/16 17:30]  JohnXi: i dont respect you when you try and call my bluff and you trump me
1509[2019/07/16 17:31]  JohnXi: i can tell you that much
1510[2019/07/16 17:31]  Krafties Resident: What is the bluff you keep talking about?
1511[2019/07/16 17:31]  Krafties Resident: I told you man, I don't like gambling
1512[2019/07/16 17:31]  Krafties Resident: I don't do it in RL either
1513[2019/07/16 17:31]  JohnXi: so why you trying to offer me krafties?
1514[2019/07/16 17:32]  Krafties Resident: So that you can buy it?
1515[2019/07/16 17:32]  Krafties Resident: lol
1516[2019/07/16 17:32]  JohnXi: bit risky
1517[2019/07/16 17:32]  JohnXi: are you in debt?
1518[2019/07/16 17:32]  JohnXi: why 24k?
1519[2019/07/16 17:33]  Krafties Resident: [16:50] Krafties: [2019/07/14 14:16]  Krafties: There's nothing there for me man, you're too much for me to handle right now. You seed my transition like we did for you back in the day, I'm good to go. Pay what Krafties paid out while you weren't working, and that brings us even. Then that same amount and you'll own it. That's a deal, and all I ask is that I maintain rights to code and tools created. You would own art and ed assets, be able to do whatever you want with the code base including release it all of you want. I just want to be able to work on new projects without worrying about code usage rights
1520[2019/07/16 17:34]  JohnXi: it'd take me years on that deal
1521[2019/07/16 17:34]  JohnXi: untless i pull a miracle out my ass
1522[2019/07/16 17:34]  JohnXi: but i dont think i could anyway
1523[2019/07/16 17:34]  JohnXi: krafties is old now
1524[2019/07/16 17:34]  JohnXi: depreciated man
1525[2019/07/16 17:35]  JohnXi: honestly if i didnt like krafties, i'd probably pay 500 usd for it
1526[2019/07/16 17:35]  JohnXi: and you're asking for 24,000!!!
1527[2019/07/16 17:35]  Krafties Resident: Lol
1528[2019/07/16 17:35]  Krafties Resident: just lol
1529[2019/07/16 17:36]  JohnXi: real talk
1530[2019/07/16 17:36]  Krafties Resident: It sounds like we don't have a deal, which is totally fine
1531[2019/07/16 17:36]  JohnXi: yeah
1532[2019/07/16 17:36]  JohnXi: blame me
1533[2019/07/16 17:36]  Krafties Resident: Please remember you passed on the opportunity though, and have had 2 chances here
1534[2019/07/16 17:36]  JohnXi: piss off
1535[2019/07/16 17:37]  Krafties Resident: I don't know how I can make you see this man
1536[2019/07/16 17:37]  JohnXi: i understand
1537[2019/07/16 17:38]  JohnXi: ive seen all the LE's
1538[2019/07/16 17:38]  JohnXi: but man, 24k is rough
1539[2019/07/16 17:38]  JohnXi: lets look at it like this
1540[2019/07/16 17:38]  Krafties Resident: There's no way it goes lower than that
1541[2019/07/16 17:38]  Krafties Resident: Maybe higher
1542[2019/07/16 17:38]  JohnXi: 24000/2
1543[2019/07/16 17:38]  JohnXi: 12000
1544[2019/07/16 17:39]  JohnXi: theres now way you're selling 12k LE a year
1545[2019/07/16 17:39]  JohnXi: no way
1546[2019/07/16 17:39]  Krafties Resident: Well, you'd be pretty wrong there
1547[2019/07/16 17:39]  JohnXi: thats alot of eggsies
1548[2019/07/16 17:40]  Krafties Resident: I will tell you that the offer is very good
1549[2019/07/16 17:40]  JohnXi: just imagine how many gameplays you would have if i released limbo
1550[2019/07/16 17:40]  Krafties Resident: ridiculously good
1551[2019/07/16 17:40]  JohnXi: i reckon
1552[2019/07/16 17:40]  Krafties Resident: literally only because I want to be done with this phase of my life and want to walk away not feeling guilty
1553[2019/07/16 17:41]  JohnXi: and im really being honest here kris
1554[2019/07/16 17:41]  JohnXi: i think limbo would outshadow all of your energy sales combined
1555[2019/07/16 17:41]  JohnXi: i know this shit, im a fkin expert by now
1556[2019/07/16 17:42]  JohnXi: and you're too scared.
1557[2019/07/16 17:42]  Krafties Resident: Yes, of you not of limbo
1558[2019/07/16 17:42]  Krafties Resident: I don't care about limbo
1559[2019/07/16 17:42]  Krafties Resident: like, at all
1560[2019/07/16 17:42]  Krafties Resident: you do
1561[2019/07/16 17:42]  Krafties Resident: very obviously
1562[2019/07/16 17:42]  Krafties Resident: But I just care that you're here making my life harder than it needs to be
1563[2019/07/16 17:42]  JohnXi: i care about limbo as much as i do krafties
1564[2019/07/16 17:43]  JohnXi: theyre both nothing to me, plenty more where that come from
1565[2019/07/16 17:43]  Krafties Resident: Then why are you so intent on this exactly?
1566[2019/07/16 17:43]  Krafties Resident: Why are you badgering me?
1567[2019/07/16 17:43]  JohnXi: hey
1568[2019/07/16 17:43]  Krafties Resident: Seems crazy to be torching this relationship over something you don't carer about
1569[2019/07/16 17:43]  Krafties Resident: care*
1570[2019/07/16 17:43]  JohnXi: if i release this against your wishes
1571[2019/07/16 17:44]  JohnXi: you wont ban me and you'll see what happens?
1572[2019/07/16 17:44]  JohnXi: thats all i fucking ask man
1573[2019/07/16 17:44]  Krafties Resident: I won't act against the Krafties TOS
1574[2019/07/16 17:44]  Krafties Resident: I may change the terms though
1575[2019/07/16 17:44]  Krafties Resident: And there are no promises there
1576[2019/07/16 17:44]  JohnXi: wtf is krafties TOS
1577[2019/07/16 17:44]  JohnXi: ye i get it
1578[2019/07/16 17:44]  JohnXi: but man kris
1579[2019/07/16 17:45]  JohnXi: if i pull this off, you off me a fucking sorry
1580[2019/07/16 17:45]  Krafties Resident: No man
1581[2019/07/16 17:45]  Krafties Resident: I really think you owe me a sorry
1582[2019/07/16 17:45]  JohnXi: you made it extra hard for me to do this
1583[2019/07/16 17:45]  Krafties Resident: But i definitely won't be expecting one
1584[2019/07/16 17:46]  Krafties Resident: I don't know how you can act like a victim when you can be literally anywhere else doing anything else lol
1585[2019/07/16 17:46]  JohnXi: ill apologize if i fail kris
1586[2019/07/16 17:46]  JohnXi: but man if i succeed, you better get on your knees
1587[2019/07/16 17:46]  Krafties Resident: Why would I exactly?
1588[2019/07/16 17:46]  JohnXi: because you're getting 100% of the energy sales
1589[2019/07/16 17:47]  Krafties Resident: Because you took a payout for a system with the agreed upon terms of us parting ways, then you ignoring that and using the system to try and profit?
1590[2019/07/16 17:47]  Krafties Resident: Is that why I should apologize?
1591[2019/07/16 17:47]  JohnXi: well you're doubting me
1592[2019/07/16 17:47]  JohnXi: and im doubting you
1593[2019/07/16 17:48]  JohnXi: 1 of us is wrong
1594[2019/07/16 17:48]  JohnXi: i think it's you
1595[2019/07/16 17:48]  Krafties Resident: I don't care about limbo
1596[2019/07/16 17:48]  Krafties Resident: this has nothing to do with limbo man
1597[2019/07/16 17:48]  Krafties Resident: Don't know how many times I can say it
1598[2019/07/16 17:48]  JohnXi: ok man
1599[2019/07/16 17:48]  JohnXi: tp me
1600[2019/07/16 17:49]  JohnXi: lemme so you how badass this limbo is man
1601[2019/07/16 17:49]  JohnXi: its so amazing, i aint even bullshitting ya
1602[2019/07/16 18:47]  JohnXi: ive just tried to do the deal with my accountant. i tried everything i could, he aint buying it
1603[2019/07/16 18:52]  JohnXi: 50/50 for 12 months, thats all i can do
1604[2019/07/16 19:12]  JohnXi: i think he would of let me if i nagged him more
1605[2019/07/16 19:12]  JohnXi: but i really cba
1606[2019/07/16 19:13]  JohnXi: 24k is alot of tax
1607[2019/08/01 16:29]  JohnXi: man celeste mentioned you was getting rl shit from krafties players, i didnt think you was serious.  ignore them man, sorry to hear it
1608[2019/09/06 20:26]  JohnXi: how are you?
1609[2019/09/12 17:17]  JohnXi: feeling a craft for old times sake?
1610[2019/09/12 17:17]  JohnXi: crafting on the main sim
1611[2019/09/12 17:20]  JohnXi: love the new crafting
1612[2019/09/12 17:23]  JohnXi: bought a net the other day to catch a hopster, zee talked me through it, when i attached the net from the browser i was like wow
1613[2019/09/12 17:23]  JohnXi: badass
1614[2019/09/12 17:24]  JohnXi: was attached before i even switched back to sl lol
1615[2019/09/12 17:26]  JohnXi: for the record, i stopped making enchantia.  cba with the hassle
1616[2019/09/12 17:26]  JohnXi: if i end up making it, they'll spin it into me vs you
1617[2019/09/12 17:26]  JohnXi: thats shitty
1618[2019/09/12 19:55]  JohnXi: [19:52] JohnXi: Nothing can be crafted!
1619 
1620 Possible causes: level not high enough, incorrect items placed, improper elements linked, or not enough energy.
1621[2019/09/12 19:55]  JohnXi: man
1622[2019/09/12 19:56]  JohnXi: why even do that
1623[2019/09/12 20:19]  JohnXi: hostgator been pissing me off
1624[2019/09/12 20:21]  JohnXi: im not paying for the domain again, ill sell it for 20k, thats my price
1625[2019/09/13 12:35]  JohnXi: wtf
1626[2019/09/13 12:35]  JohnXi: [12:33] Krafties Energy Capsule v4.0 - 0E: Capsule loaded successfully!
1627 [12:33] Krafties Energy Capsule v4.0 - 1000E: Energy extracted successfully
1628[2019/09/13 12:36]  JohnXi: celeste just give me 1k energy for free?
1629[2019/11/05 16:53]  JohnXi: hows it going man
1630[2019/11/05 16:57]  JohnXi: not going to make any SL stuff anymore, been working on a new project out of SL.. just came to return all my stuff off celeste land she let me use.. hope all is well with you. how is the stuff going with teaching the kids?
1631[2019/11/05 16:59]  JohnXi: i'd love to talk to you about the hud i started in SL though.  it was amazing AF
1632[2019/11/05 16:59]  JohnXi: maybe it would help you with krafties
1633[2019/11/05 17:08]  JohnXi: can i have a halloween pumpkie please lol, he looks badass
1634[2019/11/05 17:21]  JohnXi: can you lend me 2k to get this pumpkie dude, i do really like it