· 10 years ago · Sep 09, 2016, 09:04 PM
1doesn't mean /d isn't less garbage ;D
2hell, the roleplaying issues the wiki had with special:forum are tame compared to the rubbish on /d
3The Aspect of Akatosh - Today at 3:03 PM
4It got rid of a good bit of spammers.
5Sajuuk - Today at 3:08 PM
6tbh TES Wiki still has the problem of just one person administrating the whole place lol
7because there's no good candidates to become sysop lol
8Speedit - Today at 3:09 PM
9I want staff to admit that the desktop view is the limiting factor.
10Sajuuk - Today at 3:13 PM
11that's gonna be impossible lol
12they're not going to admit that they don't care about desktop xD
13Speedit - Today at 3:16 PM
14I thought Discussions looked familiar. Its based on the Ember framework.
15The same framework behind the Mercury skin.
16So staff are both rebuilding from scratch...
17and forced to recode each and every Forum feature on desktop.
18https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ember.js
19Sajuuk - Today at 3:17 PM
20lol
21why can't they just make a mobile version of forum ?
22I don't buy their claims that they could not make special:forum support mobile
23Speedit - Today at 3:17 PM
24technical failure
25Sajuuk - Today at 3:17 PM
26don't buy it
27because it's not a reason
28just develop a separate system that only exists for mobile that just pulls the data in a different manner
29Bunny - Today at 3:19 PM
30How don't they care about desktop?
31Sajuuk - Today at 3:19 PM
32PI's and /d
33'nuff said
34Bunny - Today at 3:20 PM
35So, having infoboxes that look good on all platforms and a feature where users can freely discuss whatever about a wiki means Wikia doesn't care about desktop?
36Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:23 PM
37👆
38It's just better to develop features that are based on mobile and ported to desktop than the other way around.
39(philoso)slay - Today at 3:23 PM
40>hell, the roleplaying issues the wiki had with special:forum are tame compared to the rubbish on /d
41Exfuckingscuse you
42Just because you don't roleplay on forums, does not make it an issue.
43@Sajuuk do you even know what PI is for?
44PI =/= mobile
45Bunny - Today at 3:24 PM
46"portable" in PI does not mean mobile
47(philoso)slay - Today at 3:24 PM
48PI == SEO buff
49Upon learning more about how it's coded
50it actually has pseudo meta names in the code
51Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:25 PM
52Exactly Bunny, portability goes both (or actually all) ways. That's the spirit. ðŸ‘
53(philoso)slay - Today at 3:26 PM
54which means google is going to pick up better on information that's in templates
55Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:26 PM
56Yea, SEOs don't like to analyze tables too much.
57Bunny - Today at 3:28 PM
58You can hate PIs all you want, but please provide a valid reason as to why you hate them.
59cause I haven't seen any 😛
60Kocka - Today at 3:29 PM
61The way Staff enforce them
62Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:30 PM
63That's not part of the concept of PIs.
64Kocka - Today at 3:30 PM
65Well yeah, but that's one of the reasons people hate them
66Bunny - Today at 3:31 PM
67But that isn't about PIs. You can believe that Staff forces PIs on communities, but I don't see how that relates to the PIs themselves.
68Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:32 PM
69Many users tend to associate PIs with the ways they are spread.
70Iiii_I_I_I - Today at 3:32 PM
71PIs cannot handle complex things
72Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:32 PM
73Oh trust me, I've done some way too sick shit with PIs.
74Sajuuk - Today at 3:33 PM
75@(philoso)slay yes, I know exactly what it's for. an infobox made by Wikia that is designed solely for looking good on mobiles, which implies real infoboxes are shit on mobile (which is nonsense)
76Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:33 PM
77But even then: Complex things are bad for mobile. Too much complexity is straight unportable.
78Bunny - Today at 3:33 PM
79Portable means looking good on all platforms, not just mobile
80Speedit - Today at 3:33 PM
81PIs are real infoboxes. With real structured markup and identifiable classes.
82(philoso)slay - Today at 3:33 PM
83>The way Staff enforce them
84THey're not enforced
85Sajuuk - Today at 3:33 PM
86....
87Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:34 PM
88@Sajuuk You entirely missed out the SEO aspect, aside from 75% of your statement is not or partly true.
89(philoso)slay - Today at 3:34 PM
90The only time they're put on a wiki, is when no-one responds, or is active to respond.
91Speedit - Today at 3:34 PM
92They are actually readable in the element inspector.
93Sajuuk - Today at 3:34 PM
94lol
95(philoso)slay - Today at 3:34 PM
96@Sajuuk you got 10% right
97it looks good on mobile
98everything else, you're wrong about.
99Sajuuk - Today at 3:34 PM
100lol
101Speedit - Today at 3:34 PM
102let's keep civil @(philoso)slay
103(philoso)slay - Today at 3:34 PM
104the other 90% are opinions, and not fact based(edited)
105Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:34 PM
106lol
107Best argument 2k16
108Sajuuk - Today at 3:35 PM
109did everyone here just join Vanguard without asking or something? XD
110/sarcasm
111Bunny - Today at 3:35 PM
112Can you provide a real argument besides "lol"?
113Sajuuk - Today at 3:35 PM
114why should I?
115you aren't going to listen to it.
116(philoso)slay - Today at 3:35 PM
117Because it shows incompetency.
118Speedit - Today at 3:35 PM
119we can
120Sajuuk - Today at 3:35 PM
121did this server just become a hate sajuuk server overnight?
122Bunny - Today at 3:35 PM
123You haven't provided a valid argument yet though?
124Speedit - Today at 3:35 PM
125let's keep calm shall we?(edited)
126Bunny - Today at 3:35 PM
127Okay
128(philoso)slay - Today at 3:36 PM
129When Sajuuk provides valid argument, it can stop being "hate Sajuuk Server"
130Speedit - Today at 3:36 PM
131hating is not a good response tho.
132(philoso)slay - Today at 3:36 PM
133Until then, you got the hotseat, bud.
134Sajuuk - Today at 3:36 PM
135....
136Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:36 PM
137bunny, have a read of http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Nerfmaster8/Wikitext_vs_Portable_templates
138perhaps you will get a better understanding
139Fishtank joined and "claimed" he would respect wikis but so far has not
140(philoso)slay - Today at 3:37 PM
141You can resize images
142Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:37 PM
143silence is not agreement nor is ignoring a discussion
144slay i already updated that
145(philoso)slay - Today at 3:37 PM
146And inline css is simply because you can't use CSS yourself
147Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:38 PM
148but at the time, Alex from Disney was annoyed at CzechOut for practically waving him off
149both of them have been doing that
150Sajuuk - Today at 3:38 PM
151um wtf? using inline css does not imply you can't use CSS.
152I use inline css a bit, but that does not mean I have no idea what CSS is.
153(philoso)slay - Today at 3:38 PM
154Inline >CSS<
155Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:38 PM
156the most minor things are being waved off and ignored
157Speedit - Today at 3:38 PM
158I think this is more on the topic of what is wrong with PI's proponents.
159Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:38 PM
160^
161(philoso)slay - Today at 3:39 PM
162If you're using rich text editor, should you be editing templates?
163Speedit - Today at 3:39 PM
164Rather than the PI product.
165comparing {| class="infobox" & {{!}}- width="50%"
166to <aside class="portable-infobox"> and <div class="pi-data"> is just not on.(edited)
167(philoso)slay - Today at 3:39 PM
168You can use <format> for complex parts in PI
169Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:39 PM
170If CSS is only used as inline-CSS it is basically S for Style. Little fun fact besides.
171(philoso)slay - Today at 3:39 PM
172I can link you to a template where #IFEQ is used
173Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:39 PM
174the answer to that slay, is no
175(philoso)slay - Today at 3:39 PM
176if you'd like
177Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:39 PM
178see what happened at Disney
179(philoso)slay - Today at 3:40 PM
180Then it's not a con, you need to inform people to switch to a real editor :^)
181Sajuuk - Today at 3:40 PM
182@Wowa (Trollocool) why does that matter in any way at all?
183(philoso)slay - Today at 3:40 PM
184Becasuse it's a key point in Nerf's Blog
185Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:40 PM
186perhaps i'll gladly delete the blog once staff fixes all the problems minor or major listed on the blog
187Sajuuk - Today at 3:40 PM
188there are plenty of instances where CSS will only be used in one place, why does it need to become "globally available" in a CSS file when it has no use outside of singular templates?
189Wowa (Trollocool) - Today at 3:40 PM
190@Sajuuk Just keep that in mind. Understanding the C of CSS is really 5 miles away from inline.
191(philoso)slay - Today at 3:40 PM
192They'll never know if you don't S:C/feedback, with constructive criticism.
193Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:40 PM
194new editors generally use the visual editor, i force a redirect to action=edit
195Bunny - Today at 3:41 PM
196@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 How is this a con for PIs? CSS styling doesn't even show on mobile skin Inline styling does not show up on the mobile skin
197(philoso)slay - Today at 3:41 PM
198^ @Wowa (Trollocool)
199Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:41 PM
200bunny continuing this is pointless
201Sajuuk - Today at 3:41 PM
202^
203Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:41 PM
204js and css don't show on mobile
205(philoso)slay - Today at 3:41 PM
206THen answer him and prove him wrong, if it's pointless.
207My B, lag
208Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:41 PM
209thus still left with a bland theme on mobile. this doesn't fix a damn thing
210(philoso)slay - Today at 3:42 PM
211loading JS on mobile is a device security issue
212Sajuuk - Today at 3:42 PM
213creating infoboxes that are meant to be "nice looking" on mobile, while the said stylations to make it look nice don't even load on the device you are targeting, is utterly ridiculous
214Speedit - Today at 3:42 PM
215and a compatibility issue(edited)
216(philoso)slay - Today at 3:42 PM
217JS load on mobile means HIGH chance for identity and CC theft
218Not all mobile devices run JS
219not all mobile devices run CSS
220Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:42 PM
221they have added so much garbage to the codebase, they finally bothered to start trimming it down
222Sajuuk - Today at 3:42 PM
223I'd rather just make tabular infoboxes that look good on desktop and not waste my time trying to mobilise my wiki.
224Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:42 PM
225^
226Sajuuk - Today at 3:42 PM
227no, css does not work on mobiles whatsoever.
228because wikia made it so that css doesn't load there
229Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:43 PM
230neither does js
231(philoso)slay - Today at 3:43 PM
232yes, because it saves you data bytes
233Sajuuk - Today at 3:43 PM
234show me an example where a Wikia wiki loads CSS and I'll retract my point
235(philoso)slay - Today at 3:43 PM
236Costs you less to browse wikia on mobile(edited)
237Speedit - Today at 3:43 PM
238You would need to stop imports
239and stop people from copying desktop CSS to it en masse.(edited)
240Sajuuk - Today at 3:43 PM
241which means making infoboxes just for mobile reasons is a waste of people's time.
242Speedit - Today at 3:43 PM
243A pro for PI is compatibility with Mercury. So the opposite point made by Nerfy is a satellite opinion, but I think its relevant.
244However, I think the lack of CSS on Mercury is overall a positive.(edited)
245(philoso)slay - Today at 3:43 PM
246Then write a JS code to put both on the page
247Sajuuk - Today at 3:43 PM
248you can't
249because Wikia does not load any js or css on any mobile page
250(philoso)slay - Today at 3:43 PM
251the PI will still show up on mobile
252and you'll have your pretty template on Desktop
253Bunny - Today at 3:44 PM
254@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 Most of your pros for wikitext and cons for PIs are either false, biased, or not justifiable enough to hate an entire feature. I would respond to your blog with specifics, but commenting is disabled.
255Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:44 PM
256how many times do we need to state straight from staff that neither js or css load on mobile
257(philoso)slay - Today at 3:44 PM
258You don't need it toload on mobile
259just on desktop
260desktop.js if PI = hide
261Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:44 PM
262bunny i disabled commenting due to the comments alone
263and have not since activated comments on any of my recent blogs
264(philoso)slay - Today at 3:45 PM
265And ya'll are smart, I'm sure you can figure some extension or thing to tag to hide the templates on mobile
266Annabeth - Today at 3:45 PM
267I'm surprised your blog hasn't been removed, then.
268Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:45 PM
269fishtank literally sent vanguard to defend pi
270what's sannse actually gonna do?
271Bunny - Today at 3:45 PM
272No, I call out bs when I see it.
273just saying
274Speedit - Today at 3:45 PM
275he needs to send people to stop people from hating on a superior product.
276and inform them
277Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:45 PM
278i can easily see past bs, especally regarding politics
279Sajuuk - Today at 3:45 PM
280does anyone here honestly think Narutopedia is going to be using portable infoboxes?
281Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:46 PM
282nope
283Speedit - Today at 3:46 PM
284Too many switches for the local mods to do the porting.
285Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:46 PM
286i doubt vanguard members decided to randomly out of free will to respond rather than be ordered too
287penguinstyles - Today at 3:46 PM
288Discord needs to work on their notifications
289Bunny - Today at 3:46 PM
290I'm not Vanguard
291Speedit - Today at 3:46 PM
292Someone would have to build themesource+CSS for w:c:naruto(edited)
293Sajuuk - Today at 3:46 PM
294@penguinstyles notifications on mobile are a bit icky
295Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:46 PM
296i'm well aware of that bunny
297penguinstyles - Today at 3:46 PM
298@Kocka did you ping me on something
299Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:47 PM
300if you check the comments, at least 3 vanguard members responded
301and only technoblitzer was understanding
302(philoso)slay - Today at 3:47 PM
303They have a right to respond
304you realize that, right?
305
306Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:47 PM
307that wasn't the point
308Speedit - Today at 3:48 PM
309Just one thing. Vanguard members are Wikians too.
310not just Fish's army
311(philoso)slay - Today at 3:48 PM
312^
313Speedit - Today at 3:48 PM
314hope we clear
315(philoso)slay - Today at 3:48 PM
316You're hating your fellow wikians
317Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:48 PM
318depending on how you view it
319(philoso)slay - Today at 3:48 PM
320No
321they aren't staff
322They're wiki users, just like you.
323They're volunteering
324They aren't paid to do that.
325Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:48 PM
326am i convinced that fish sent them and told how to respond? yes
327Speedit - Today at 3:48 PM
328hate the institution, but not the people you already knew who joined
329(philoso)slay - Today at 3:48 PM
330@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 that's an opinion, zero facts there.
331When there is "pudding in the cake" you can make that statement.
332Bunny - Today at 3:49 PM
333Whatever, there are professional Wikia haters, you can't do anything to change their mind @Speedit @(philoso)slay
334Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:49 PM
335that's based on the forum threads tried prior to me posting
336Sajuuk - Today at 3:49 PM
337....
338(philoso)slay - Today at 3:49 PM
339@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 link them then.
340Speedit - Today at 3:49 PM
341please remain civil tho
342Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:49 PM
343read the blog then, references are at the end
344(philoso)slay - Today at 3:49 PM
345link the specific ones
346I'm not going to dig through them for abscure information.
347Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:50 PM
348its obvious how czech and fish operate
349Bunny - Today at 3:50 PM
350Why ... Sajuuk? Every time you mention Wikia it's always negative.
351Sajuuk - Today at 3:50 PM
352So what?
353(philoso)slay - Today at 3:50 PM
354Are you sure it's not just inferred? @Nerfmaster8 🉠👻
355@Sajuuk then why not move to curse?
356Sajuuk - Today at 3:50 PM
357am I supposed to just sit here and not be negative?
358Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:50 PM
359are you serious?
360Speedit - Today at 3:50 PM
361all
362(philoso)slay - Today at 3:50 PM
363@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 it's the internet.
364Sajuuk - Today at 3:50 PM
365this is pathetic.
366Speedit - Today at 3:50 PM
367if staff did give us mobile CSS, they would probably limit it to a review system.
368Sajuuk - Today at 3:50 PM
369jesus fucking christ.
370(philoso)slay - Today at 3:50 PM
371There's 0 inflection of voice.
372Sajuuk - Today at 3:50 PM
373not allowed to have opinions that are not positive here any more.
374ban everyone who posts negative things.
375>_>
376(philoso)slay - Today at 3:50 PM
377Not without being construtive.
378😉
379Sajuuk - Today at 3:51 PM
380I'm sure that will go down well /sarcasm
381Speedit - Today at 3:51 PM
382@(philoso)slay its understood.
383Sajuuk - Today at 3:51 PM
384all of my comments are constructive.
385Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:51 PM
386if you bother to read how either fish or czech respond to negative feedback of "no interest" and compare to when admins simply accept it
387Sajuuk - Today at 3:51 PM
388so to say otherwise is just insulting.
389Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:51 PM
390they are not respecting decisions that they otherwise claim
391(philoso)slay - Today at 3:51 PM
392I didn't say they weren't.
393Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:51 PM
394fish lied in general
395Sajuuk - Today at 3:51 PM
396I didn't direct that comment at any particular person.
397(philoso)slay - Today at 3:51 PM
398@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 you do realize that's there job
399Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:51 PM
400yes
401Speedit - Today at 3:51 PM
402@Sajuuk until staff see the feedback, its not yet to be constructive
403(philoso)slay - Today at 3:51 PM
404Them putting food on the table depends on their product working
405Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:52 PM
406and i find enjoyment in calling them out
407Sajuuk - Today at 3:52 PM
408@Speedit really? you think staff care about how our feedback?
409(philoso)slay - Today at 3:52 PM
410Why not work towards helping them find a better solution?
411@Sajuuk let me go get a picture
412Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:52 PM
413honestly very close to having either mime or noreplyz nuke all my blogs just out of spite
414(philoso)slay - Today at 3:52 PM
415where I had 7-10 email chain correspondence with a single staff
416Speedit - Today at 3:52 PM
417I think staff do care. I think size is the limiting factor.
418Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:52 PM
419i care very less about cc
420Sajuuk - Today at 3:52 PM
421no they don't speedit
422(philoso)slay - Today at 3:52 PM
423If that's not proof enough for you, I don't know what is.
424Sajuuk - Today at 3:52 PM
425Wikia is a corporate company that cares only for money
426it has never once cared for people's opinions.
427there are many things they've introduced that people have disliked heavily and they've never backed down
428Speedit - Today at 3:53 PM
429if they cared about money, they'd make the ad programme Acceptable
430Sajuuk - Today at 3:53 PM
431the only time they did was with Venus and the global nav.
432Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:53 PM
4331. i don't see how wasting the time to recode templates is beneficial
4342. you can't even code PI to be a near exact with less or equal code
4353. running to bot to do a replacement may be possible dependent on the new pi template
436ha what a joke
437Bunny - Today at 3:53 PM
438Wikia doesn't care about user feedback, yet they pulled back xyz when people didn't want them.
439Speedit - Today at 3:53 PM
440^
441(philoso)slay - Today at 3:54 PM
442@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 by that logic, you would never rebuild a site to keep up with current HTML/JS/CSS standards
443Speedit - Today at 3:54 PM
444lel
445(philoso)slay - Today at 3:54 PM
446your website looks like shit because it's coded on old langauges
447Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:54 PM
448they only backed down after an outrage over obvious crap
449Speedit - Today at 3:54 PM
450unreadable source
451Sajuuk - Today at 3:54 PM
452what @Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 said.
453(philoso)slay - Today at 3:54 PM
454>2. you can't even code PI to be a near exact with less or equal code
455Near exact to what? Precisely? :^)
456Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:55 PM
457obviously functionality and asthetics to original wikitext template, what else?
458(philoso)slay - Today at 3:55 PM
459>3. running to bot to do a replacement may be possible dependent on the new pi template
460You're smart, you could figure it out, or ask staff for help figuring out how to do so.
461Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:55 PM
462are we like lacking common sense in here?
463Sajuuk - Today at 3:55 PM
464@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 apparently this is just a "don't give negative feedback about Wikia" server now.
465Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:55 PM
466oh sure like staff or vanguard would run a bot to do such replacement? where have they done that
467(philoso)slay - Today at 3:55 PM
468I don't know, are we?
469Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:55 PM
470sajuuk i already have a backup server to jump too
471i can easily mute this channel and stay in technical
472Speedit - Today at 3:56 PM
473Define common sense.
474Bunny - Today at 3:56 PM
475@Sajuuk That is not what we're saying. You make snark comments about Wikia and their features daily. That is not feedback, that is just negativity.
476(philoso)slay - Today at 3:56 PM
477I'm finding a lack in commen sense.
478As well as in the ability to funnel commen sense in paths of change.
479Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:56 PM
480i'm not going to fall into that trap
481Sajuuk - Today at 3:56 PM
482then if you don't like it @Bunny you can either just leave or block me so you don't have to read my posts
483Speedit - Today at 3:56 PM
484Its not nice to force an outrage about a product in order to get more staff-user dissent.
485not at least until the beta and feedback fail and things still roll out.
486If that happens, I will join you steadfastedly with pitchfork in hand.
487(philoso)slay - Today at 3:56 PM
488If we're debating, then you'd better
489or common sense is a meaningless term.
490Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:57 PM
491staff change features only b/c of outrage to change to something more acceptable
492(philoso)slay - Today at 3:57 PM
493@Sajuuk then everyone ought to block you.
494Sajuuk - Today at 3:57 PM
495so basically, I'm not allowed to explain reality.
496(philoso)slay - Today at 3:57 PM
497>reality(edited)
498is relative to the person who percieves it
499Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:57 PM
500global nav was released in beta yet was so intrusive i was tempted to disabled the entire thing initally
501kocka even killed the entire thing and replaced
502(philoso)slay - Today at 3:58 PM
503And?
504If you can personally replace it, why not do so, and be happy with that?
505Sajuuk - Today at 3:58 PM
506I find it funny how @Bunny is hounding me about "making comments" when I don't see them complaining or hounding @Rick Sanchez for similar comments.
507Speedit - Today at 3:58 PM
508He's a squid. Power balance.
509(philoso)slay - Today at 3:58 PM
510@Sajuuk because that user has yet to speak?
511Sajuuk - Today at 3:58 PM
512lol
513@Speedit that has absolutely no bearing on anything.
514(philoso)slay - Today at 3:59 PM
515Besides he simply "ends the conversation" when he gets flustered
516Sajuuk - Today at 3:59 PM
517@(philoso)slay um, Joey has spoken quite a lot on things like this.
518(philoso)slay - Today at 3:59 PM
519There's no debate when someone "ends it on basis of flustering"
520Sajuuk - Today at 3:59 PM
521yet nobody has told him to stop making comments.
522Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:59 PM
523why the hell should users be forced to replace existing features?
524Sajuuk - Today at 3:59 PM
525^
526I guess everyone likes vendor locking.
527(philoso)slay - Today at 3:59 PM
528@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻#6379 don't ever use the privacy feature on facebook then(edited)
529Speedit - Today at 3:59 PM
530to make them better. if they don't improve, then they die.
531Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 3:59 PM
532staff could easily create acceptable features yet decline too
533(philoso)slay - Today at 3:59 PM
534That was not an innitial feature.
535You can't use it.
536Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:00 PM
537i have extensions that do that for me
538Speedit - Today at 4:00 PM
539Vendor locking is not relevant between Forums & Discussions. Or with PI.
540Sajuuk - Today at 4:00 PM
541oh it is @Speedit
542Speedit - Today at 4:00 PM
543I dumped the PI Github link a while back.
544Sajuuk - Today at 4:00 PM
545PI only works on Wikia. can't use it elsewhere. That is the very definition of vendor locking
546(philoso)slay - Today at 4:00 PM
547@Sajuuk and?
548if wikia built it
549Speedit - Today at 4:00 PM
550Fish is gone, ffs. Can't scroll up to retrieve it.
551(philoso)slay - Today at 4:00 PM
552they can do that
553Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:00 PM
554the next person that claims PI is not vendor lockin, i suggest looking up the definition
555Bunny - Today at 4:00 PM
556Rick Sanchez couldn't care less about Wikia. He does not use it daily and complain constantly that Wikia is shit all around. At least he had the balls to leave, while people are still here complaining and expecting something to change even though they are literally doing nothing themselves.
557Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:00 PM
558fish is still here
559Sajuuk - Today at 4:00 PM
560lol
561(philoso)slay - Today at 4:01 PM
562"Don't ping users who aren't online"
563- Ransom
564Speedit - Today at 4:01 PM
565Fish is gone, ffs. Can't scroll up to retrieve it.
566Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:01 PM
567that was proving a point and its doubtful fish will return
568you can scroll up, it just takes a while since no search
569Sajuuk - Today at 4:01 PM
570@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 hilariously he just appeared in the server when you pinged xD
571Speedit - Today at 4:01 PM
572thanks for clearing that, @Bunny
573(philoso)slay - Today at 4:01 PM
574He's been here for a while
575You guys just didn't notice.
576Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:02 PM
577oh cool
578Sajuuk - Today at 4:02 PM
579@Bunny lol dismissing opinions now? 😄
580Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:02 PM
581kocka also does that i ping him
582(philoso)slay - Today at 4:02 PM
583@Sajuuk you appear to be
584Sajuuk - Today at 4:02 PM
585lol
586I'm actually not
587(philoso)slay - Today at 4:02 PM
588"PI is bad no-one should use it"
589"why should staff force this on us"
590Sajuuk - Today at 4:02 PM
591....
592(philoso)slay - Today at 4:02 PM
593">US<"
594and yes
595nerf is mixed in there
596Sajuuk - Today at 4:02 PM
597I have never once said either of those things
598Speedit - Today at 4:02 PM
599@(philoso)slay stay civil
600Sajuuk - Today at 4:02 PM
601do not misquote me.
602I have simply said that PI sucks and that it does not match the power of wikitable infoboxes.
603(philoso)slay - Today at 4:03 PM
604Then quote where I misquoted
605Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:03 PM
606if you have a wiki with templates already done, why would you want to bother coding new ones to conform to some new standard and then to mass replace the templates?
607Sajuuk - Today at 4:03 PM
608^
609(philoso)slay - Today at 4:03 PM
610@Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 you're still on vanilla HTML
611you can't use HTML2-5
612Sajuuk - Today at 4:03 PM
613...
614Speedit - Today at 4:03 PM
615Because they are more structured.
616(philoso)slay - Today at 4:03 PM
617you can't use CSS2-3
618you're stuck on CSS
619Sajuuk - Today at 4:03 PM
620why is HTML being considered a bad thing?
621Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:03 PM
622what the hell does vanilla html to do with anything?
623Sajuuk - Today at 4:03 PM
624the whole. fucking. internet. is. based. on. H.T.M.L
625(philoso)slay - Today at 4:03 PM
626it's an analogy, you're just too dense to realize it.
627Sajuuk - Today at 4:03 PM
628like
629yeah, that's not called for.
630(philoso)slay - Today at 4:04 PM
631Yah, it's the point, you keep missing it
632Sajuuk - Today at 4:04 PM
633if you want to null your opinion, calling others dense is a sure way of doing it.
634Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:04 PM
635i've already said, i'll just use html table tags
636(philoso)slay - Today at 4:04 PM
637An analogy is not an opinion.(edited)
638Speedit - Today at 4:04 PM
639tables should not be used for design
640Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:04 PM
641that was a joke
642Speedit - Today at 4:04 PM
643good
644Sajuuk - Today at 4:04 PM
645and vendor locking should be @Speedit
646Speedit - Today at 4:04 PM
647ðŸ‘
648Sajuuk - Today at 4:04 PM
649yeah, really, vendor locking is great. /sarcasm
650Wikia is forcing PI to PREVENT PEOPLE EXPORTING WIKI'S
651They don't WANT people to leave their service.
652Speedit - Today at 4:05 PM
653https://github.com/Wikia/app/tree/55bf64574969b65d9040e5eb4c408900c97347b2/extensions/wikia/PortableInfobox
654fite me
655GitHub
656Wikia/app
657app - Wikia Application Code
658
659😄
660(philoso)slay - Today at 4:05 PM
661You can leave with your shit, but you can't remove it from wikia.
662en circa CC-SY-BA
663Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:05 PM
664that's not to mention, the database dump has multiple backlinks to wikia
665Sajuuk - Today at 4:05 PM
666and spend ages trying to remove the vendor locking bullshit.
667Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:06 PM
668that was a while ago, who knows if its still there
669Sajuuk - Today at 4:06 PM
670yeah, with that in mind, nobody is going to fork a wikia wiki.
671Bunny - Today at 4:06 PM
672If wikiext is soooo good and easy, why not just export the content and convert the PIs to normal infoboxes?
673Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:06 PM
674sure you can hide it
675Sajuuk - Today at 4:06 PM
676wikitext is the basis of MediaWiki.
677Speedit - Today at 4:06 PM
678cos SEO penalty/deindexing as well, obviously.
679Sajuuk - Today at 4:06 PM
680Why should it be replaced in any way?
681Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:06 PM
682if i wanted to export, i'd just leave...
683why would i convert then leave and change back?
684Sajuuk - Today at 4:06 PM
685^
686Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:06 PM
687its like let's replace all the templates, fork then reverse? what a waste of time
688Sajuuk - Today at 4:07 PM
689^
690Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:07 PM
691nobody's dumb enough to do that
692they'd just fork
693Speedit - Today at 4:07 PM
694If you believe you are going to leave, then feel free not to take advantage of PI.
695Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:07 PM
696i'm already practically gone
697TK-999 - Today at 4:07 PM
698you'd just have to create a template that takes the same parameters, it's not like you'd have to modify the template calls if you just wanted to leave wikia - so it's kind of ridiculous to frame PI as a service to prevent forking
699Sajuuk - Today at 4:07 PM
700because it is
701Speedit - Today at 4:08 PM
702The Github is right there
703go fork it
704Bunny - Today at 4:08 PM
705Yeah, that's a lackluster reason lol
706Speedit - Today at 4:08 PM
707._.
708Sajuuk - Today at 4:08 PM
709No, thank you.
710Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:08 PM
711In economics, vendor lock-in, also known as proprietary lock-in or customer lock-in, makes a customer dependent on a vendor for products and services, unable to use another vendor without substantial switching costs. Lock-in costs which create barriers to market entry may result in antitrust action against a monopoly.
712Speedit - Today at 4:08 PM
713kden
714Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:08 PM
715https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in
716Sajuuk - Today at 4:08 PM
717stop dismissing opinions for stupid reasons. PI's is the very definition of vendor lock in.
718Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:08 PM
719same concept here
720Sajuuk - Today at 4:09 PM
721if you use PI formatting outside of Wikia, nothing will happen whatsoever.
722Speedit - Today at 4:09 PM
723topkek. A GNU Github extension is a stupid reason 🤦
724TK-999 - Today at 4:09 PM
725"substantial switching cost" - yup it's totally difficult to save the old non-portable revision and recreate the infobox template
726it's sooo hard vendor lock-in much
727Bunny - Today at 4:09 PM
728Then convert PIs to regular infoboxes. The markup is so simple.
729Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:09 PM
730reversing the template history is easy, what about template replacement in articles?
731how are you going to prevent loss of new edits?
732TK-999 - Today at 4:09 PM
733just make it compatible with the template call format
734Bunny - Today at 4:09 PM
735Huh? You'd still be using the same base template?
736TK-999 - Today at 4:10 PM
737ideally the call format does not even change
738why would it even change?
739Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:10 PM
740wait are you people joking or serious?
741TK-999 - Today at 4:10 PM
742i portabilized SWFanon infoboxes and did not have to touch the article pages
743Speedit - Today at 4:10 PM
744I dunno, @TK-999. PIs are sooo different
745TK-999 - Today at 4:10 PM
746100% backwards compatible
747so I could just revert anytime
748or export the whole wiki and recreate it with the old syntax
749Speedit - Today at 4:11 PM
750Its literally a div infobox with proper structured markup and Mercury hooks.(edited)
751Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:11 PM
752converting templates to PI then doing mass replacement of templates and then having non template edits later
753that depends on if the wikitext -> PI had any major parameter changes
754TK-999 - Today at 4:11 PM
755why would you have to do "mass replacement of templates"? just do the conversion with backwards compatibility in mind
756Nerfmaster8 🉠👻 - Today at 4:11 PM
757see the second line
758if you start from scratch, it makes it worse
759TK-999 - Today at 4:12 PM
760yes, and who makes the major parameter changes? definitely not wikia