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· 9 years ago · Nov 03, 2016, 01:00 PM
1É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
2[uspol] aaaand the KKK just endorsed trump officially
3
4gentle jim 	
5
6É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
7this following a poll that 60% of clinton supporters don't respect trump supporters
8É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
9this figure seems a bit low
10É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
11this is why...
12Youko 	
13I should not be laughing at this
14Youko 	
15ok Trump supporters, tell me more about EMAILS
16É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
17the funny thing is that trump has private servers, he ordered people to delete stuff when he was being audited or something
18É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
19like
20É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
21? ? ? ? ? ? unless hillary admitted to actual murder in a fucking email i do NOT want to know anymore about hillary's emails
22Rá´É¢á´‡Ê€ Dá´€á´ Éªs 	
23
24koâ™ix 	
25but she MUST have because BENGAZI!
26koâ™ix 	
27...seriously I work with people who believe this
28Já´á´€É´É´á´€ Wá´‡ÊŸÊŸÉªá´„á´‹ 	
29trump's father was arrested at a klan rally when he was in his 20s, i suppose it runs in the family
30brojan horse 	
31
32ÐºÎ±Ð²ÏƒÏƒÊ€Î±gÎ¹ 	
33lies down on the floor
34á´¡á´‡Ê€á´‡á´‹á´€Éªá´Šá´œ 	
35Trump deletes his TWEETS and claims he "never said that" when people have screencapped evidence. I have no doubt he's deleting emails right and left
36É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
37he's not even deleting tweets
38É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
39he keeps the tweets up lmao
40É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
41but yeah my dad does this exact thing
42É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
43i try to cite articles and it's like "LIBERAL BIAS"
44koâ™ix 	
45yep
46É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
47i try to quote trump and it's like "DIDN'T MEAN IT"
48É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
49i try to bring up clinton's good policies and it's like "EMAILS"
50É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
51"YOU'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY THE MEDIA"
52É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
53s2g like he's my dad, i love him, but i can't stand him
54É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
55and i hate all this anti-intellectual shit he's bought into 'cause like
56koâ™ix 	
57Yep
58É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
59he used to not be this way, idk what happened
60É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
61suddenly bigots
62koâ™ix 	
63I have a nurse I work with and she's like "My little brother just joined the Marines, I have to think of who is going to keep him safe!"
64É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
65she thinks trump is going to keep him safe??
66koâ™ix 	
67I cite EVERYTHING Trump has said about various countries and wars he'd start and HOW
68É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
69i mean trump is 3 tweets away from starting a nuclear war
70koâ™ix 	
71"BUT BENGAZI!"
72koâ™ix 	
73"Trump is just all talk!"
74É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
75? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
76koâ™ix 	
77She REALLY BELIEVES Trump will keep the military safe
78É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
79i mean one of the duties of the president is to be
80É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
81diplomatic
82koâ™ix 	
83"um what about what he said about POWs?"
84É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
85soooooooooo
86koâ™ix 	
87EMAILS
88É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
89if i have to hear that exact pivot ONE MORE TIME
90koâ™ix 	
91"What about how he thinks he knows more than the generals and NONE of them support him?"
92koâ™ix 	
93BENGAZI
94É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
95i want him to demonstrate how he knows more than the generals
96É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
97honestly
98koâ™ix 	
99"What about how he can't be a diplomat and is going to get us into fifty wars at once?"
100É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
101i want him to demonstrate that he knows what's on the bill of rights
102koâ™ix 	
103No he won't!
104É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
105like just the bill of rights
106koâ™ix 	
107THEN
108koâ™ix 	
109THEN
110Immortal Canvas 	
111Trump is going to go to war with Canada if he gets in office.
112koâ™ix 	
113THESE FUCKING CIVILIANS
114É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
115i'd join this war.... as a canadian... can i get a visa
116koâ™ix 	
117Tried to tell me the military wasn't homophobic and transphobic
118Immortal Canvas 	
119Me too. I would fight for the cold north motherland.
120É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
121rly...
122koâ™ix 	
123Because "I don't believe that"
124É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
125wait you don't believe that
126É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
127or she doesn't believe that
128koâ™ix 	
129Despite me saying that while I was in ROTC I hear jokes about letting gay men get shot in the back because "he might be looking at my dick!"
130koâ™ix 	
131But "Nah I don't believe that!" was the fucking answer
132É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
133i just can't deal with all this plugging in the ears nonsense
134É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
135like f trump supporters actually had any arguments worth having then i'd be like
136É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
137ah yes i do not agree with you
138É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
139but i understand what you are saying
140É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
141but i am like I LITERLALY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
142koâ™ix 	
143I told them to ask the actual active duty nursing staff we have who they are voting for
144koâ™ix 	
145SPOILER IT IS CLINTON
146TÊœá´‡ IÉ´á´›á´‡Ê€sá´‡á´„á´›. 	
147Fuckin
148koâ™ix 	
149But no, let's tell the person who head daily homophobic and transphobic bullshit that CLEARLY I am wrong because they don't believe that happens
150É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
151ftr here is the list of official publications that have endorsed trump
152tÑ’Ñ”É¹Çso×ŸÉ” 	
153Promoted this plurk to Plurk Frontpage
154É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
155ok plurk won't let me plurk paste
156É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
157including this one it's 7
158koâ™ix 	
159use pastebin?
160koâ™ix 	
161...there was also bullshit about how over 20 years some 30 people who know the Clintons who have died "suspiciously" and how CLEARLY they must be doing SOMETHING
162É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
163nah i just linked the section in wiki instead
164É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
165but like... he also got 3 anti-endorsements
166É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
167like "do NOT vote for trump" so it's more like 4 net endorsements
168koâ™ix 	
169And I was like "...a good friend of mine has had nearly fifty people die by homicide or suicide in four years, what does that prove about him?"
170koâ™ix 	
171(spoiler: they were clients. numbers without facts mean NOTHING)
172koâ™ix 	
173I'm still so pissed about work, sorry
174É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
175it's cool
176É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
177i'm still disappointed in my dad, so...
178koâ™ix 	
179I just can't believe these people work in a science field and have swallowed this bullshit
180koâ™ix 	
181like. y'all how how to research and cite papers and shit. DO SOME OF IT
182FishMomJenn 	
183Fake News Archives | Snopes.com also the amount of lies that Snopes keeps on having to debunk
184koâ™ix 	
185I had one nurse flat out tell me - mind, she's a lesbian - that she isn't going to vote, because she "doesn't know who to vote for" because "it's just so much DRAMA and I hate drama!" so she does ZERO research
186koâ™ix 	
187I brought up SCOTUS and they were like "pffffff who CARES."
188koâ™ix 	
189I swear I want to strip them ALL of citizenship and ship them somewhere ELSE
190É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
191also it's worth pointing out that one of the publications that endorses him, the new york observer, is owned by his son in law
192É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
193should we even count that one
194É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
195that feels like a net of 3 honestly
196É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
197that's still 3 too many
198É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
199well if one of them is the kkk
200É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
2012 too many
202koâ™ix 	
203...kinda surprised it's ONLY the KKK
204É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
205what do you mean?
206FishMomJenn 	
207White Nationalists love him, too
208É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
209Yeah it's not really just the KKK but this is news because this is their official newspaper
210É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
211Andrew Anglin, Publisher of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer
212É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
213Rocky J. Suhayda, chair of the American Nazi Party
214koâ™ix 	
215Well I mean officially endorsing.
216É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
217John Friend, far right radio show host, Holocaust denier.
218É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
219Don Black: Former KKK grand dragon and founder of the white supremacist website Stormfront
220É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
221i'd say that technically means stormfront and the daily stormer endorse him but they're websites
222koâ™ix 	
223Like I knew different members where, but I didn't think other groups had given him the official seal of approval.
224koâ™ix 	
225Yeah
226Supporting Me 	
227My mom is one of those supporters, albeit more because "Team R" than Trump
228É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
229ah i'm not sure other groups did
230É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
231besides the neo-nazis
232SEAMONSTER HYPE 	
233I also have to say. People are screaming about how Clinton should be disqualified or in prison because of her emails
234koâ™ix 	
235Yeah I know people who are like "well I'm ALWAYS voting Republican!" Dudes some of your own PEOPLE aren't voting for him
236SEAMONSTER HYPE 	
237and yet nobody is talking about how Trump has at least two different court cases before the year is out :V
238Supporting Me 	
239Most of those in the Team R camp are kinda in denial about crazed bigotry that Trump's louder supporters have
240koâ™ix 	
241No one said that about Bush and his 200,000+ emails either
242É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
243one of his court cases is a civil case so there is no jailtime involved
244koâ™ix 	
245OH
246koâ™ix 	
247and
248koâ™ix 	
249AND
250É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
251i'm not defending him i'm just saying this is why people are like ok but it's excusable because he won't be in jail
252É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
253LIKE CLINTON!!!111 11 11 !!!
254É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
255even though it's for RAPING A TWELVE YEAR OLD
256koâ™ix 	
257I got to listen to the WONDERFUL tirade about how "all these WOMEN who are now SUDDENLY COMING FORWARD are only doing so because SOMEONE is PAYING THEM!"
258É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
259i don't really want to get into that though because i am extremely disheartened by the whole response to this
260A MISTAKE 	
261Christina Ailsworth on Twitter YOOOOOOOOOO
262koâ™ix 	
263Because "COME ON, if they were REALLY victims, they would have said something BEFORE! They just aren't ACTING like victims!"
264É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
265...why did they even start that flyer with BLM in big font
266koâ™ix 	
267I was like "...wow you all SUCK"
268É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
269i know if i was a white supremacist i'd be like EW and throw it out
270A MISTAKE 	
271it
272A MISTAKE 	
273it's making the point of THOSE ARE ALL FAKES
274A MISTAKE 	
275JOIN US
276A MISTAKE 	
277THE KU KLUX KLAN WHO HAVE NEVER DONE WRONG
278A MISTAKE 	
279
280É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
281yeah but a poor decision on the marketing front
282É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
283also women have actually tried o sue trump before this all...
284É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
285his case that is being seen in december was actually filed before his announcement to run in the primary so
286koâ™ix 	
287they don't believe that.
288É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
289and most of them didn't bring it up because they didn't think anyone would believe them...?!?!?!?!?!?! until pussygate?!
290koâ™ix 	
291that's where I'm like ....WHAT. Facts > your beliefs? YOU WORK IN SCIENCE YOU KNOW THIS
292koâ™ix 	
293pssh that's not victims act! that is LITERALLY what I was told.
294koâ™ix 	
295by nurses. by women.
296É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
297that's actually really scary
298koâ™ix 	
299these "victims" have to be LYING for money because "they aren't acting like victims!"
300koâ™ix 	
301IT IS
302É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
303also (cw for misogynistic language) https://i.imgur.com/6x7cKHl.jpg
304É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
305he claimed his twitter was hacked after the fallout of this tweet
306É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
307this man has also posted (cw for... just cw)
308CaptainAkaRed 	
309no
310CaptainAkaRed 	
311just...NO
312É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
313i mean tbf the kkk has endorsed the republican president for the last few elections but also like
314É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
315obama is black so
316É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
317can't imagine he got a ringing endorsement from them
318CaptainAkaRed 	
319oh, I know that
320CaptainAkaRed 	
321my no was to that last pic
322koâ™ix 	
323I'm not even shocked
324É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
325oh ok
326É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
327lol sorry i'm just all over the place in this plurk
328É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
329so glad GOP is being taken to court for voter intimidation on friday
330É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
331jesus christ
332É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
333did she just say "you want to separate the people with your trojan horse"?
334É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
335i'm not really sure how this horse does that
336É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
337tbh
338nipple dippers 	
339maybe she got confused with trojan condoms and is using dick metaphors
340nipple dippers 	
341separating the people with your dick.
342Exacerangutan 	
343I think the best rule of thumb is that if Trump accuses someone of doing something they shouldn't do, he's probably done it ten times harder
344ÐºÎ±Ð²ÏƒÏƒÊ€Î±gÎ¹ 	
345that fucking picture
346É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
347yeah it's what's the word i'm looking for
348É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
349starts with a d i think, rhymes with adorable....
350midterms 	
351frankly I'm only surprised it took them this long
352Exacerangutan 	
353I mean they've unofficially endorsed him through certain famous representatives and associates for at least like 7 or 8 months?
354Exacerangutan 	
355and it took Trump basically a full day to realize that not disavowing those associates wasn't a great idea (I guess it should be a pleasant surprise that it was just a day, idk)
356FOOD DEMON 	
357i think the worst thing about this election is that trump is seen as anti-establishment by his supporters
358FOOD DEMON 	
359and it's like
360FOOD DEMON 	
361"you're gonna get screwed over too my dudes"
362FOOD DEMON 	
363well one of the worst things, not THE worst thing
364stillagentskye 	
365Can ge get any more disgusting if he tries? I think not
366Exacerangutan 	
367these are too many worst things to keep track of
368Exacerangutan 	
369but yes the persistent delusion among his supporters that his half-assed rejection of/by the political establishment makes him actually anti-establishment
370æœªç†Ÿâˆ‚ÑÑ”Î±Ð¼Ñ”Ñ 	
371my mom tried to counter my disagreements about emails being useless with 'do you know what hilary did to the women who would report bills scandals'
372Exacerangutan 	
373I've been saying for awhile that one of the main problems with the DNC having picked Clinton is that it let Trump cast his campaign as Establishment vs. Anti-Establishment
374midterms 	
375ah yes, the rich old white dude
376midterms 	
377so edgy
378midterms 	
379so antiestablishment
380Exacerangutan 	
381...probably protected her political career by avoiding/minimizing their importance?
382É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
383you mean the rich old white dude who was given a small loan by his father to the tune of $40 million
384É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
385writes my papa for a small loan
386Exacerangutan 	
387........compared with Trump doing the same, and worse, except he's the one actually accused, by a larger number of women last I checked, and he has the gall to cast aspersions at Hillary by way of Bill?
388æœªç†Ÿâˆ‚ÑÑ”Î±Ð¼Ñ”Ñ 	
389yeah.
390Exacerangutan 	
391...like yes I 100% agree Hillary's feminism track record is spotty and marred with self-interest but are you seriously raising this as a point of comparison?
392FOOD DEMON 	
393hillary can't win, she'd be blasted for divorcing bill, meanwhile trump remarries and that's fine bc mans
394Exacerangutan 	
395oh look it's just like every other comparison in this campaign, someone not-great versus someone actively horrible
396midterms 	
397you know I have never seen a reliable source about what she supposedly said about those women
398midterms 	
399outside of like, one comment made in private or something
400Exacerangutan 	
401Oh, yeah, of course. ...I mean she has a long history of being weirdly tone-deaf or making bizarrely Stereotypical Politician Choices about how to handle things, but yeah the double-standard is gross, too.
402Exacerangutan 	
403...but that's the whole election cycle, Trump accusing people of things he's doing even worse and his supporters somehow finding ways to overlook that because.........??????
404Exacerangutan 	
405Idunno. People have an amazing capacity for self-deception when they want badly enough to believe something.
406midterms 	
407which granted is still not great but at the same time, expecting someone who has been betrayed in a very public, humiliating way to respond rationally
408midterms 	
409it's reaching and most people I saw making it went dead silent when women came forward to accuse trump
410Exacerangutan 	
411I have a lot of "ugh I really wish she'd <X>" about Clinton, but I also wish I could make a living on RP and eating chili fries, so.
412Noodle Emperor 	
413omg so much shock. a group that KNOWS it isn't popular endorses a candidate to manipulate people
414Noodle Emperor 	
415Who would IMAGINE SUCH A THING
416Noodle Emperor 	
417this didn't literally happen last three elections too
418Noodle Emperor 	
419holy f Trump has private emails he deleted. I bet they were super above top secret classified too and it was literally treason that he sent those emails in the first place, let alone
420Noodle Emperor 	
421tried to hide from the FBI (sorry, IRS! Totally the same thing) that he did it, and even tried to bribe them into declassifying it so it wouldn't be a crime he sent it.
422Noodle Emperor 	
423it's so totally the same thing that it's blowin' my mind right now
424âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
425the "anti-establishment" gibberish re: Trump is the most hilarious thing to me
426âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
427WHOA HE'S TOTALLY GOING TO CHANGE THINGS IN WASHINGTON AND KICK THE POLITICIANS IN THE NUTS
428âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
429u mean those same guys he was making donations to?
430âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
431OH WELL BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT B/C HE'S A BUSINESSMAN
432âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
433he's had multiple bankruptcies...
434âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
435WELL HAVE U BEEN PERFECT IN UR LIFE??
436Sharkleberry 	
437But but but... He's a successful businessman! He has a TV show!!
438Matt 	
439/just curls up in a corner over here, has tried to convince his dad Trump is trash, it does not compute
440Sharkleberry 	
441FTR, I'm being sarcastic.
442âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
443also his new "drain the swamp" hashtag is the funniest thing ever
444âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
445b/c i'm like
446âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
447you supporters of his realizes that he can;t
448âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
449actually
450âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
451do that right
452Sharkleberry 	
453No, they don't realize that. They don't realize what a president's actual powers are and how bills are made and passed.
454âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
455i mean the president doesn't yell YOU'RE FIRED at congressman or senators
456âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
457the whole thing is hysterical stupid
458Matt 	
459...drain WHAT swamp, exactly?
460âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
461hysterically*
462Noodle Emperor 	
463Oh come on. The bankruptcies are the least legitimate complaint you could possibly have toward Trump. He has a 96% success rate. That's insanely good.
464Matt 	
465cause I'm pretty sure that has proven, historically, to not be a good idea.
466Matt 	
467/glances at Florida's growing sinkhole problem
468âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
469bankruptcies
470âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
471trump steaks
472âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
473trump water
474âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
475trump airlines!
476Noodle Emperor 	
477Like, at least most of the issues people raise with Trump have some basis in reality, even if they're wrong. The bankruptcies thing and "he sucks as a businessman" requires blatantly ignoring facts
478âˆž Ê™ÊŸá´€á´…á´‡á´¡á´Ê€á´‹s 	
479trump vodka!
480Noodle Emperor 	
481You want me to list his successes?
482Noodle Emperor 	
483because I'll have to dig up more than 200
484á´˜aÊ€á´‹eÊ€. 	
485wHAT i just saw this plurk??? omg????
486Gavitron 	
487"The least legitimate complaint". Well, god knows, there are plenty. He's pretty much proven himself to be, over and over again, to be completely incapable of the requirements of president.
488Noodle Emperor 	
489Except he hasn't at all
490Sharkleberry 	
491Noodle Emperor: WHat fucking planet are you from?
492Noodle Emperor 	
493Especially if we're pretending third party votes don't count
494Noodle Emperor 	
495The fact that he wasn
496Gavitron 	
497You're right. He totally released his tax returns. He's never insulted anyone. He's never been a walking scandal every fucking second of his whole campaign. OH WAIT.
498Matt 	
499The president is, first and foremost, a diplomatic position. You're talking about a person here who has stated flat out that he will declare war on our actual next-door neighbors.
500Sharkleberry 	
501Like seriously, I want to know where it's considered presidential to get into a twitter war? Where it's appropriate to make fun of disabled people?
502Noodle Emperor 	
503Oh man. Tax returns are super important to presidency
504Sharkleberry 	
505Yes, actually.
506sÊœÉªá´›á´˜á´sá´›ÉªÉ´É¢!â„¢ 	
507oh hey guys what's going on in h
508Fucking demons 	
509Noodle Emperor: Oh honey.
510sÊœÉªá´›á´˜á´sá´›ÉªÉ´É¢!â„¢ 	
511...is someone whiteknighting trump in here
512sÊœÉªá´›á´˜á´sá´›ÉªÉ´É¢!â„¢ 	
513jesus
514Sharkleberry 	
515Yes.
516Matt 	
517...it would appear, yes
518Noodle Emperor 	
519When is it considered presidential to refer to women who are assaulted by your husband as 'bimbo eruptions'? IDK man.
520É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
521guys just ignore them please
522Matt 	
523When is it considered presidential to refer to women period in the ways he has?
524Gavitron 	
525Alright, OP. I'll not respond to them further.
526Noodle Emperor 	
527Who knows? People are voting for Hillary so they must think it's okay.
528É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
529i'm asking as a favor just because i can tell this is going to get ugly
530Noodle Emperor 	
531Yes. It must be that I'm just some white knight. Because I am annoyed right now and sick of listening to false information circulate
532Matt 	
533...yeah, Noodle Emperor , that's a block from me.
534Noodle Emperor 	
535I mean, I get it. Election year, he's an R. Crazy things get said about him. But it's so excessive it's just
536Noodle Emperor 	
537annoying.
538Sharkleberry 	
539You really are something else. It's not false information when he's on record saying/doing it. Bless your little heart.
540sÊœÉªá´›á´˜á´sá´›ÉªÉ´É¢!â„¢ 	
541you're trying to preach to a community of people by and large that hates trump that hey trump isn't that bad I swear
542sÊœÉªá´›á´˜á´sá´›ÉªÉ´É¢!â„¢ 	
543how did you really think that was going to go
544Noodle Emperor 	
545Dude. The whole "He's a failed businessman" is patently false
546É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
547omg...
548Matt 	
549Guys, let us ignore the troll. OP has requested this.
550á´˜aÊ€á´‹eÊ€. 	
551omg ...
552Sharkleberry 	
553Okay. I'm done.
554Noodle Emperor 	
555I honestly don't care? I was already angry about something and saw this. So, yeah, I realize people are just going to get angry about it
556É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
557i mean i encourage discussion but
558Noodle Emperor 	
559but I'm fine with that.
560É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
561i honelsty don't think anything good can come from this discussion
562Noodle Emperor 	
563If people want to discuss it civilly that's fine too
564Crysiana 	
565Honestly, though, I think that it's kind of a pity that Clinton isn't facing a decentish candidate.
566Noodle Emperor 	
567Normally I just ignore it and let it go because it's election year and this happens
568Noodle Emperor 	
569just already irritable so I didn't feel like doing that this tim
570Noodle Emperor 	
571e
572Matt 	
573I'd prefer an actual brick to either of them.
574Crysiana 	
575Because if she's elected, then people will say "sure a woman got into the oval office, but look at the comparison"
576Crysiana 	
577OTOH I also wish there were some kind of limit on when campaigning will start, which won't happen but I can dream.
578Noodle Emperor 	
579I really don't think that's what would happen if she's elected.
580Crysiana 	
581I think a big problem with this election cycle has just been that everyone is so damned tired of it.
582Noodle Emperor 	
583I mean, some people will say that, but there's a lot of people who like Trump, Jill, or Johnson
584Crysiana 	
585Well and that the Republican field was huge to begin with so it's been a bit of a clusterfuck from the word go.
586Noodle Emperor 	
587I lean toward Castle myself. I just don't hate Trump and refuse to believe the crazy lies that get spread
588Crysiana 	
589Though I'm still amused that this past year of political chaos started off with John Boehner meeting with the Pope and immediately getting the fuck out of dodge.
590Yá´ÊŸá´ á´…á´‡ Rá´ÊŸá´ 	
591
592Crysiana 	
593(That happened last September)
594É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
595anyway i really wish pa had early voting
596Crysiana 	
597Oof I moved from PA last year so I feel you.
598É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
599and yes reports of early (read: absentee) voting in PA are currently leaning red but don't worry guys there's no early voting unless you can prove you can't make it to the polls
600Crysiana 	
601also
602É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
603and anything that reports it as "early polling" is misleading af
604É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
605early voting*
606Crysiana 	
607Note that most of the absentee voting in PA will be people who have gone south for the winter IE retirees.
608É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
609yeah our absentee voters are generally retirees, military, and college students
610É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
611and typically hard lead republican
612É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
613also cool where in PA were you
614Supporting Me 	
615I did my civic duty earlier, I was surprised on how painless it was given that my state attempted to run some bigot laws. They got shot down though
616Crysiana 	
617Near Wallenpaupack. Far northeast corner.
618Murder Duck 	
619/lonely in central pa
620É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
621oh wow i don't think i've ever been there
622É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
623yea i'm out in the burbs of philly so like
624thanks obooma 	
625after official KKK endorsement of trump: democrats' enthusiasm goes up 50%
626É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
627few weeks ago people started taking down their trump signs
628Gavitron 	
629I love it here in Washington. ALL absentee ballots. No polling places on Election Day.
630É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
631they are back :-(
632Crysiana 	
633ah, so three or so hours north of you
634É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
635guh i wish it worked like that
636É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
637that's why i'm going early
638Crysiana 	
639man like
640Crysiana 	
641I feel like mandadory voting would be nice
642É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
643i mean trump actually called out philly as a place to "poll watch" so
644Crysiana 	
645*mandatory
646thanks obooma 	
647or just make election day a holiday like bernie wants to do
648Crysiana 	
649even on a national holiday things are open
650Crysiana 	
651But yeah that would go a long way to making it easier
652É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
653i'd rather vote early, that way i don't have to go in in person
654Noodle Emperor 	
655Are you sure they took them down and weren't just straight up stolen? That does tend to happen to Trump signs.
656É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
657i really don't like crowds
658Murder Duck 	
659we only have three holidays closed at Pizza Hut...
660Crysiana 	
661/nodnod
662Murder Duck 	
663and we have it easier than, like, walmart or Sheetz
664Crysiana 	
665Well, and in some places you can vote by mail but need to put a stamp on it.
666Noodle Emperor 	
667Though I do believe he did get a surge of renewed interest when the FBI renewed their investigation into Hillary so that could have been the thing that happened, too.
668Crysiana 	
669And it's like...well, okay that's great but some people can't afford that payout
670É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
671yeah i think they should mail out prepaid envelopes
672É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
673that way they can also hit the areas that aren't quite as well-populated
674Noodle Emperor 	
675I think you can take your envelope and drop it off at certain places.
676É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
677i know this woman had to prove she was who she said she was under the voter id laws and she's older so she can't drive
678É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
679so she had to get her daughter to drive her like 3 hours to the nearest dmv idk that sounds crazy to me
680É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
681like it shouldn't be this difficult to get to a place like the dmv, or the sueprmarket, or your polling place
682Crysiana 	
683/nodnod Making it easier for everyone to vote should be a priority.
684É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
685yeah i think when you become a citizen or turn 18 reistering to vote should be opt-out, not opt-in
686É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
687they asked me if i wanted to, when i became a citizen, i was like
688É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
689do people say no to that????
690É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
691apparently they do
692É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
693that just makes me so sad, you've made a decision to become a citizen! you're granted these privileges and duties!
694Noodle Emperor 	
695It's easier to be opt-in than opt-out.
696Noodle Emperor 	
697Keeps track of the people who make it to voting age and are eligible and helps keep people from sneaking through the cracks with say
698Noodle Emperor 	
699dead people or people who've renounced citizenship or felons
700Noodle Emperor 	
701where correct paperwork wasn't filed and now someone who shouldn't vote, can.
702smol datachild 	
703it also allows for a chance to confirm that the voter-to-be understands what's expected of them and what the processes are and what they need to do if they move or change their name or the like
704Noodle Emperor 	
705('Shouldn't' in the eyes of the law, at least.)
706Noodle Emperor 	
707That too.
708Noodle Emperor 	
709It ensures they're in the correct place to be making the votes at a local level
710Noodle Emperor 	
711rather than still voting for someone in Cali while living in Idaho because their information hasn't updated but they've moved.
712Crysiana 	
713Yeah like. I know that felons don't have the right to vote in a lot of states and that is legal by the current interpretation of the 14th amendment but I have personal objections that.
714smol datachild 	
715I can personally see some people choosing to opt out of registering to vote if they plan on moving out of the country before voting would actually be something they have a chance to do
716É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
717i mean, you don't have to vote after you register!
718Crysiana 	
719Well and this kind of goes back to the idea of voting as a national holiday, which would at least enable some people to vote who aren't really getting the chance to do so now.
720smol datachild 	
721you don't, but I understand the logic behind choosing not to
722Noodle Emperor 	
723Well, if they don't plan to vote because, say, they feel they shouldn't because they lack the information about a certain cycle (not necessarily the presidential one)
724Noodle Emperor 	
725they can always register on another voting cycle
726Noodle Emperor 	
727The issue I would point out about a national holiday for election day is that the lowest rung of employment will have even less chance to be off that day
728Noodle Emperor 	
729National holiday = most people home = more people going shopping and other things besides voting
730Noodle Emperor 	
731which means that retail employees are almost guaranteed not to get it off
732Noodle Emperor 	
733or fast food workers or etc
734Noodle Emperor 	
735A workaround might just be to have election 'day' be more than one day, so if one day people don't have it off, another day they might
736smol datachild 	
737having more options for early and/or remote voting is the better option than making it a holiday, I think, at least at this current point in time
738smol datachild 	
739spreading it over multiple days would be better, too, though offhand I'm not sure how common that is?
740É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
741what do you mean?
742É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
743like states that allow... early voting?
744Noodle Emperor 	
745An election 'week' would be ideal, because that way, no matter what if you have even one day off a week (and you're supposed to) you can go vote.
746Noodle Emperor 	
747and doesn't provide the same issue as things that can get lost in the mail or around the house or require stamps/etc
748koâ™ix 	
749...or we just allow at will absentee voting
750FreebieDinersays	
751"Trump is going to go to war with Canada if he gets in office." Wouldn't surprise me, scary. I'm Canadian, really hoping he doesn't get in!
752Exacerangutan 	
753I've heard in some places it's done entirely by absentee, with no polling places
754Exacerangutan 	
755...which I imagine has its own ups and downs, but.
756nipple dippers 	
757tbh i'm just glad the uk have had petitions not to allow trump in the country xD
758nipple dippers 	
759i've not met a single person from the uk who likes him, which is vaguely reassuring
760Cyborg Waifu 	
761Sid Miller. Agriculture Commissioner for Texas. If you know anything about the fucks that he works around, this is sadly not uncommon or surprising. I hate this state.
762nipple dippers 	
763i'm still amazed they can say shit like that. over here, if anyone involved in politics/government used that kind of language or glorified atomic bombs, they'd be forced to step down in seconds
764Cyborg Waifu 	
765This is Texas where the most vocal are the small town Repubs, unfortunately.
766Depravity Ocean 	
767i have a coworker who said she couldn't because she had been a felon. I told her that if she was through with her parole, she could. She said 'oh well i don't really want to vote anyway'
768Depravity Ocean 	
769then again she seemed to be for Trump so i'm kind of glad...
770Crysiana 	
771IIRC snopes said the war with Canada thing is fake news.
772koâ™ix 	
773I imagine all absentee votes nigh but man does it sound nice
774Murder Duck 	
775Canada would be a little hard to justify
776thirstbeast 	
777god as someone in Alabama I can't even read the summary of this without feeling nauseous blegh
778koâ™ix 	
779i don't blame you
780midterms 	
781it used to be like that here too, honestly. part of trump's appeal to his base is he "says what's on his mind" and isn't pc
782midterms 	
783it's not exactly new what he's saying but he isn't bothering with the coded language politicians used so their racism didn't sound like racism
784É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
785What worries me about that is what happened in places like Greenville today where they burned down that church and graffitied "vote trump" on the side
786koâ™ix 	
787yeah "isn't PC" = i can be an open fuckwit
788É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
789Or that a sixth grade teacher told one of her students "can't wait for trump to deport you "
790É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
791At least there used to be some semblance that this kind of shit was intolerable
792midterms 	
793the sad thing is that shit's still gonna be there if/when he loses
794koâ™ix 	
795yep
796koâ™ix 	
797he's opened a celler door
798midterms 	
799that ugliness is not going away
800midterms 	
801I suppose now we can confront it instead of being gaslighted about its existence but it's worrying
802a nasty woman 	
803I laugh when people are like "voter fraud, dead people are still on the voter rolls!" Like
804a nasty woman 	
805Dead people can't vote fam. They can't walk. Can't hold a pen. Very few transportation options.
806a nasty woman 	
807Honestly more concerned about trump supporters, since the first case of legit voter fraud in like ever was one of them
808a nasty woman 	
809But white people, as always, are an outlier and shouldn't be counted?
810Depravity Ocean 	
811of course only the black people commit real voter fraud
812Depravity Ocean 	
813...i just threw up a little in my mouth
814Not A Gobbler 	
815So did the Las Vegas Review Journal... which is a big deal, because their owner owns a lot of other media outlets, donated a ton of money to Trump... This man also owns The Bellagio
816É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
817slightly offtopic the woman who accused trump of raping her at age 13 is about to give a statement and cnn just announced they're not airing it real time, does anyone know who is?
818É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
819also while no one should be happy about this i am hoping this gives her some peace
820É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
821...wow i can't find a stream and i think it's pretty reprehensible none of the networks are covering this
822É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
823nvm apparently she backed out of giving it... i guess she must really be conflicted to have made the announcement and then taken it back within about 8 hours
824É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
825poor woman :-(
826Depravity Ocean 	
827ah man... yeah, i can't even imagine being in her shoes
828Depravity Ocean 	
829i hope that this election is over soon so we can get down to prosecuting this asswipe properly
830Yurick 	
831My father is Jewish and he's voting for Trump. Not because of Trump but he's "voting Republican."
832Yurick 	
833Because "the Democrats give everything away, socialism is killing the country...."
834Yurick 	
835And I said to him "You don't like Trump but you're voting Republican. Which means you are voting for Trump."
836É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
837"Jane Doe has received numerous threats today... She has decided she is too afraid to show her face."
838É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
839wow
840É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
841fuck these people
842Depravity Ocean 	
843oh no that's the worst reason to not speak out
844Depravity Ocean 	
845disgusting
846Yurick 	
847This whole thing is terrifying if you're not Christian, not white, not male, not straight...
848É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
849yeah this thing is pretty damn scary
850Depravity Ocean 	
851it's terrifying
852midterms 	
853ugh
854É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
855aaaand of course now reddit is like trying to impugn the alleged victim
856É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
857trying to say the story is made up, etc
858midterms 	
859the girl weiner abused went all in on comey too
860É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
861yeah because there's no way that trump supporters would threaten her hahaha why would anyone think that
862É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
863yeah and most people support her but there are the odd straggler comments that are like
864É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
865she's not a victim and/or america is too pc or whatever
866midterms 	
867for thrusting her case into the spotlight for political gain
868É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
869i mean honestly it's so absurd that people think this way
870É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
871like
872É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
873what did we do wrong, as a nation, to have people talk like this about a sixteen year old girl
874midterms 	
875many things
876midterms 	
877I really can't wrap my head around the comey thing, like
878midterms 	
879what is he even trying to accomplish
880É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
881getting fired
882É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
883that's what
884midterms 	
885lol maybe
886koâ™ix 	
887God, poor girl
888É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
889in related election news
890É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
891i hope they release all of hillary's emails
892É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
893https://i.imgur.com/z6OvGI9.png
894É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
895they're great
896É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
897https://i.imgur.com/AMTt9Zq.png "please wear socks to bed to keep your feet warm"
898Depravity Ocean 	
899those are amazing
900É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
901ugh apparently a supporter put up a trump/pence sign where poll workers would have to remove it for electioneering, and they hid box cutter blades inside and someone got cut
902É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
903disgusting
904Depravity Ocean 	
905oh that's horrifying
906koâ™ix 	
907YIKES
908koâ™ix 	
909the fuck man
910Depravity Ocean 	
911like... that's the scariest thing about this election, to me
912Depravity Ocean 	
913the lengths Trump supporters will go to
914É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
915here
916koâ™ix 	
917yeah it is
918É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
919yeah it's like... wtf? don't resort to violence
920Depravity Ocean 	
921Trump has singlehandedly set us up for revolution, and the haters are the ones doing the revolting
922Depravity Ocean 	
923on many levels
924É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
925i hope these people get arrested
926É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
927them, the people who burned down the church
928É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
929whoever firebombed the republican office
930É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
931seriously, anyone who wants to destroy property or hurt people
932É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
933this is not ok
934koâ™ix 	
935Seriously
936koâ™ix 	
937none of this is ok
938midterms 	
939"where are we on this" fldjdofjsn
940midterms 	
941I, too, think gefilte fish are a pressing matter
942É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
943I just want to know what the context is
944É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
945And also does she like gefilte fish? Does she hate it? Inquiring minds may know
946É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
947Must
948midterms 	
949apparently she's not sure
950midterms 	
951although maybe she does, the only people I've ever known who like gefilte fish are goyim
952koâ™ix 	
953...I've had people SWEAR if you get it homemade it's good. But I'm not sure I believe that
954Depravity Ocean 	
955i just looked up what that was and wow. all of the (unsure) in the world
956É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
957I mean I've never had it
958Depravity Ocean 	
959must be one of those things you like if you grow up eating it
960É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
961But I generally like pickled fish so
962Depravity Ocean 	
963like i adore pickled herring
964É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
965You may have a point
966É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
967Yeah pickled herring with onions plz
968Depravity Ocean 	
969now i want some... but the store is closed
970Depravity Ocean 	
971sadness
972midterms 	
973I have never tried it, it always looks like a science experiment in the jar
974midterms 	
975pass
976midterms 	
977<- bad jew, probably
978Noodle Emperor 	
979...the fear mongering in this plurk is out of this world, good lord. I thought it'd calmed down some last I looked.
980Noodle Emperor 	
981Like, seriously now. It's excessive even for a handful of days away from the election.
982É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
983yeah i know
984É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
985gefilte fish can't be that bad
986Noodle Emperor 	
987It could be like natto, you don't know.
988É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
989natto's not that bad either :-)
990É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
991gets a bad rap for having a weird texture
992Noodle Emperor 	
993You're wrong on an atomic level.
994Noodle Emperor 	
995I'm offended by how wrong the wrongness is that you just stated.
996É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
997meanwhile trump troll twitter account suspended for trying to get clinton voters to cast their vote 'via tweet'
998É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
999i feel like this should be actually persecuted as voter intimidation
1000É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1001meaaaaanwhile someone on 4chan is claiming responsibility for possibly hacking the website of lisa bloom and stealing data + emails in regards to jane doe making an unanonymous statement
1002É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1003no idea whether the site was actually hacked or if it's just more trolling
1004É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1005but ok when are laws going to catch up to social media
1006É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1007this is ridiculous
1008Noodle Emperor 	
1009If that's going to be persecuted, then we'd have to persecute the dems who claim republicans should vote on the 9th. That's just normal election year shenanigans
1010Noodle Emperor 	
1011I recall all the stuff that flooded FB during the UK vote about how people voting for "leave" would get a second day, and the people who wanted "stay" encouraged spreading the word
1012É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1013they sure should!
1014É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1015voter intimidation is a crime
1016É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1017i'm not really sure where you're trying to go with this
1018Noodle Emperor 	
1019Nowhere specific? Just that it's hard to deal with when it's on that level, because it's just rampant.
1020Noodle Emperor 	
1021The best that could be done is to make more people aware it's not just some harmless thing like getting involved in a sport, but an actual crime.
1022É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1023and the best way to do that is to treat it like a crime!
1024Noodle Emperor 	
1025Ideally? But a PR campaign first would be better.
1026Noodle Emperor 	
1027Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse, but it's goes down better when efforts are made to ensure that the people doing it aren't ignorant first
1028daughter ghoul. 	
1029every time says this country needs to be run like a business i want to point out that business typically only give a shit about those at the top and the ones at the bottom are expendable and easily crushed
1030Noodle Emperor 	
1031The business allegory is usually regarding economically.
1032ÆœÎ±Ñ‚Ñ”Ê€ ÆœÎ¹Ñ‚cÐ½ 	
1033Harper did something similar a few elections back. It didn't come out until after the election, and it wasn't on twitter or aimed at any particular ethnic group.
1034ÆœÎ±Ñ‚Ñ”Ê€ ÆœÎ¹Ñ‚cÐ½ 	
1035but robocalls that polled you for your intended vote, and if you weren't voting conservative, informed you of your local polling station at (fake place)
1036É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1037actually there is a specific law put in place against (specifically the repblicans) rigging and intimidating the vote against minorities
1038É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1039i believe it was actually put in place because of the kkk or something
1040ÆœÎ±Ñ‚Ñ”Ê€ ÆœÎ¹Ñ‚cÐ½ 	
1041definitely linked to Harper. Never prosecuted, as far as I can remember. Absolute horsecrap.
1042É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1043it was supposed to be lifted in like 8 years.... but somehow i think it won't be lifted
1044ÆœÎ±Ñ‚Ñ”Ê€ ÆœÎ¹Ñ‚cÐ½ 	
1045this is the same horsecrap but also racist.
1046ÆœÎ±Ñ‚Ñ”Ê€ ÆœÎ¹Ñ‚cÐ½ 	
1047awesome.
1048Noodle Emperor 	
1049I mean, people have been beaten so badly they ended up in the hospital because they're voting repub, so let's not try to pretend only the republicans try to do it.
1050É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1051and i did look it up, not only will it not be lifted but they do have the rights to amend the law to be stricter
1052Noodle Emperor 	
1053There's laws in place because every party will do its best to try to be the 'winner' and people need reminders/restrainers to keep them from trying to force that
1054É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1055here is the anti voter indimidation agreement i'm talking about
1056CaptainAkaRed 	
1057É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs: That's actually two separate things
1058CaptainAkaRed 	
1059there is a Consent Decree banning the RNC from poll watching
1060CaptainAkaRed 	
1061and there is a law called the KKK Act banning hate crime related electioneering
1062CaptainAkaRed 	
1063the first one is due to expire one year from now if
1064É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1065...so what i'm getting is that they're adhering to neither of these
1066É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1067great
1068CaptainAkaRed 	
1069and only if
1070É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1071...yeah this is worse than i thought it was
1072É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1073LMAO
1074CaptainAkaRed 	
1075the RNC fail to get a NJ court to agree that the RNC is in contempt
1076CaptainAkaRed 	
1077DNC on the first initial
1078É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1079ah i guess that's why they're taking it to court
1080É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1081i do hope they amend it though because like, clearly it's not doing anything to deter people
1082Noodle Emperor 	
1083But it can be hard to track down some forms of intimidation, too. How do you catch the dude who slashes the tires of the guy with a trump sticker? Or keys 'Trump sucks' in the paint?
1084Noodle Emperor 	
1085I haven't even heard anything yet dealing with the people who steal the Trump signs aside from I think? One or two who escalated?
1086Noodle Emperor 	
1087So laws are good, but more information needs to be out there to make it clear it's not okay to do
1088CaptainAkaRed 	
1089actually, we are seeing the opposite effect. A historically black church was torched, and the words "Vote Trump" spray painted on the side
1090CaptainAkaRed 	
1091but yeah, the laws need to be updated nation wide
1092Noodle Emperor 	
1093We're actually seeing both, though
1094Murder Duck 	
1095well I mean tbf people are defacing/stealing political signs both ways around, at the very least
1096Noodle Emperor 	
1097Look at the homeless woman who was bullied for protecting the Trump star. Both sides are just
1098Noodle Emperor 	
1099they need to step back and stop attacking each other
1100É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1101CaptainAkaRed: i'm happy to let u know btw that the gofundme for that church has raised 12x the amount asked
1102daughter ghoul. 	
1103i don't understand why this election is so vitrolic
1104É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1105in 12 hours
1106daughter ghoul. 	
1107unless it's like this every time and i never noticed before
1108Murder Duck 	
1109I mean I sorta... do get it
1110CaptainAkaRed 	
1111yeah, I saw that on MSNBC
1112É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1113no it's... definitely this election
1114Noodle Emperor 	
1115It's always harsh, but it's insane this election
1116CaptainAkaRed 	
1117definitely this election
1118Noodle Emperor 	
1119partly because the arguments at least in part on both sides are
1120Noodle Emperor 	
1121"That person is literally the worst person"
1122CaptainAkaRed 	
1123last election was far less toxic
1124Noodle Emperor 	
1125rather than "I am literally the best person"
1126É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1127as a personal anecdote i actually like hillary clinton
1128Noodle Emperor 	
1129And when your supporters think "That guy is THE WORST" then it translates to "You literally have to be the worst to support that guy"
1130É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1131both as a person and as a politician
1132É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1133i'm not voting "against trump" i'm voting for hillary
1134Murder Duck 	
1135Yeah, the hate is making people defensive
1136Murder Duck 	
1137but yeah same
1138Noodle Emperor 	
1139I actually like Trump, but I haven't voted yet because I'm not sure if I'm voting for him or Constitutionalist.
1140É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1141to be ABSOLUTELY fair though
1142Noodle Emperor 	
1143(Like =/= support, I like him, I wouldn't call myself a supporter)
1144É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1145if instead of hillary some asshole was running in her place (assuming i didn't like the dem nominee or w/e, i would have happily voted bernie too)
1146É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1147i would definitely be voting against trump
1148Noodle Emperor 	
1149I would have considered Bernie because he seems like a stand up guy, but never Hillary for me.
1150Murder Duck 	
1151yeah Stein is more like a candidate I'd have to hold my nose for probably
1152Noodle Emperor 	
1153I'm not against her supporters, though.
1154Noodle Emperor 	
1155I'll argue with them but I'm not going to charge and attack.
1156Noodle Emperor 	
1157I respect that Stein supports NoDapl. I don't agree with almost any of her policies.
1158daughter ghoul. 	
1159the worst part for me has been that it's...difficult sometimes to sort through what we can really expect in the aftermath fo the electiona nd what is fearmongering/hyperbole
1160É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1161i mean....
1162É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1163my coworkers have said "you're overreacting to this" but then... next day in the news you know
1164Noodle Emperor 	
1165In truth, I expect that when elected, both presidents are going to be very similar and end up doing mostly what their previous parties have done
1166É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1167people are spray painting "kkk" over campaign ads so
1168Noodle Emperor 	
1169Presidents can't act alone. No matter what they want to do
1170Noodle Emperor 	
1171they'll be fairly restrained.
1172daughter ghoul. 	
1173like half the people i know are telling me trump is going to turn us into nazi germany and the other half are telling me clinton is going to turn us into russia or smth
1174Murder Duck 	
1175Fuse the two and get Nazummnist Russany
1176Murder Duck 	
1177The best(?) of both worlds
1178Murder Duck 	
1179clearly
1180Noodle Emperor 	
1181Anyone who compares Trump to Hitler should take a look at the Filipino president. That dude is a mini Hitler. Trump can't do the Hitler thing because the country is too divided
1182Murder Duck 	
1183and every Duterte article's comment section is just flooded with supporters
1184Noodle Emperor 	
1185I doubt that Hillary would turn us into Russia, either. I do think that there's an increased chance of war against Russia though, because she's VERY aggressively anti-Russia right now
1186Murder Duck 	
1187that's scary af
1188Noodle Emperor 	
1189Yep, exactly
1190Noodle Emperor 	
1191Duterte is a horrifying monster and he has the support
1192Noodle Emperor 	
1193Trump is extremely controversial, but not nearly on Duterte's level, and he has half the country up in arms against him
1194sá´€á´‡Ê€Éªá´€ÊŸ á´‹ÉªÊŸÊŸá´‡Ê€ 	
1195/walks into this plurk
1196Noodle Emperor 	
1197Also, from what I can tell, Trump is still pro 2nd amendment, so transforming the country would much harder for him to do unless he suddenly flipped and then succeeded in removing it.
1198sá´€á´‡Ê€Éªá´€ÊŸ á´‹ÉªÊŸÊŸá´‡Ê€ 	
1199/immediately wildly backpeddles away
1200É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1201...
1202É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1203just because duterte is bad
1204É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1205doesn't mean trump is not bad though like
1206É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1207im' not understanding this logic
1208É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1209"he wouldn't literally be hitler"
1210Noodle Emperor 	
1211I'm not even saying he isn't bad, though I could probably have that argument
1212Noodle Emperor 	
1213I'm saying that people constantly calling him Hitler are totally wrong.
1214Noodle Emperor 	
1215I am arguing, though, that he won't be able to do a lot of what he wants to do - just as HIllary won't - because presidents are not kings.
1216Noodle Emperor 	
1217So the panic that gets circulated about the end of the world/etc is unwarranted.
1218É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1219um
1220Sharkleberry 	
1221É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs: Noodle Emperor is a Trump stan.
1222É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1223he said he'd force the military to carry out war crimes
1224Murder Duck 	
1225even if it's just a normal continuation of Republican policy that's bad enough imo
1226Noodle Emperor 	
1227...Do I need to get a debunking link?
1228É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1229he said he'd shoot down russian war plans
1230É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1231he said he'd shoot iranian ships
1232É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1233he said he might use nuclear weapons in europe
1234Noodle Emperor 	
1235Should I also get the statements of Hillary saying she'd use executive orders to take away guns? C'mon man.
1236É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1237he said he'd seize oil fields in libya and iraq
1238geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
1239Just kiss. I donâ€™t even wait. And when youâ€™re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
1240geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
1241Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.
1242É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1243he wants to send 30,000 troops to syria that's his big plan to defeat isis
1244Noodle Emperor 	
1245You really don't want to bring assaulting women into a Hillary vs Trump debate
1246geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
1247you're aware if she didn't defend the rapist in the case you're talking about, he would have been automatically freed, yes?
1248geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
1249she was public defender, she literally had no choice
1250É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1251wait did someone bring that up
1252Noodle Emperor 	
1253And she was totally required to smear the girl and laugh right?
1254É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1255am i missing plurks
1256É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1257because i really love to debunk that one
1258É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1259she was laughing at the fact that he passed the polygraph
1260É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1261so
1262É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1263nope, no laughing at victims
1264geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
1265yeah, she was laughing in disbelief
1266Noodle Emperor 	
1267Yeah. that's super hilarious.
1268Noodle Emperor 	
1269Trump Reverses His Stance on Torture
1270Noodle Emperor 	
1271...riiight.
1272geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
1273you're aware that people laugh when they're uncomfortable aren't you?
1274Murder Duck 	
1275second amendment is worst amendment
1276É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1277trump wants to pass the death penalty for anyone who kills police officers
1278Noodle Emperor 	
1279And smearing the victim? Claiming she fantasized about older men, that was required?
1280É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1281displaying that he doens't understand how the executive branch works
1282Noodle Emperor 	
1283you're joking right
1284É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1285the victim had made claims like that about other men, if she hadn't argued it then she wouldn't be "doing her job"
1286É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1287also it's worth noting that she asked for a plea deal because the mother had asked for them to cut a deal because there were no rape shield laws at the time
1288Noodle Emperor 	
1289That's absurd, you realize that?
1290É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1291and they didn't want to subject the girl to court
1292É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1293you're going to have to be more specific on what "that" is
1294Noodle Emperor 	
1295What...
1296Noodle Emperor 	
1297That's amazing gymnastics
1298Noodle Emperor 	
1299The idea that Hillary HAD to defend the rapist to the best of her abilities. That's absurd.
1300geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
1301well, she could have refused the case. he would have walked, though
1302Noodle Emperor 	
1303Or she could have taken the case and not done much with it.
1304É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1305are you unaware of the 6th amendment
1306Murder Duck 	
1307or thrown the case and been disbarred
1308geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
1309....which would have been illegal
1310Noodle Emperor 	
1311I just...I'm kind of amazed. I've never seen anyone try to spin Hillary's actions as 'pro' toward the victim. Particularly since the victim disagrees.
1312Noodle Emperor 	
1313Prove she threw the case??
1314Murder Duck 	
1315I
1316Noodle Emperor 	
1317She went above and beyond to win the case, she did not do 'minimally required by law'. She is not innocent of blame in that situation, man.
1318Murder Duck 	
1319Nnnno i mean if Hillary hadn't defended him to the best of her ability she'd have been disbarred that is how the legal system functions
1320RÏ…Ð²Ñƒ Æ˜Î·Î¹gÐ½Ñ‚ 	
1321You don't have to like Hillary, but the shit trump has done is utterly reprehensible.
1322É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1323if you want someone to blame, blame the lab
1324Noodle Emperor 	
1325....riiight.
1326É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1327they threw away the only physical evidence
1328Noodle Emperor 	
1329That's totally how public defenders work. They don't make deals with prosecution and throw caes.
1330É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1331also i know that i told people in this plurk earlier to ignore you
1332RÏ…Ð²Ñƒ Æ˜Î·Î¹gÐ½Ñ‚ 	
1333and frankly yeah, most progressive, modern individuals are not going to support trump's policies.
1334É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1335but i was trying to stop a fight from happening in my plurk
1336Noodle Emperor 	
1337I didn't bring up the sexual abuse thing to be fair.
1338Noodle Emperor 	
1339There's a lot of horrible things that can be said about Hillary's treatment of women, but I am primarily interested in clearing up lies about Trump because I've been hearing them for a while
1340Noodle Emperor 	
1341it's old and tired, and frankly now that election is almost here
1342É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1343right but throughout this whole plurk i've tried to civilly ignore where you say things and then don't back them up with sources so
1344Noodle Emperor 	
1345people are super worried over it
1346Noodle Emperor 	
1347so it seems like a good time to lay them to rest, on the chance he does get elected
1348Murder Duck 	
1349well this was briefly civil anyways
1350Noodle Emperor 	
1351...What have I said that requires sources that I didn't provide?
1352É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1353i feel like if nobody's attacking each other i'm taking back my earlier statement
1354Noodle Emperor 	
1355The one thing I said that needed a source (Trump reversed what he said and worded it better) I provided immediately
1356RÏ…Ð²Ñƒ Æ˜Î·Î¹gÐ½Ñ‚ 	
1357He has publicly stated racist views and plans for racist policies on live TV
1358Noodle Emperor 	
1359Which ones?
1360É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1361Noodle Emperor Yesterday
1362Oh come on. The bankruptcies are the least legitimate complaint you could possibly have toward Trump. He has a 96% success rate. That's insanely good.
1363É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1364Noodle Emperor Yesterday
1365Oh man. Tax returns are super important to presidency
1366Noodle Emperor 	
1367You want me to source that? I can if you want, I guess.
1368É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1369Noodle Emperor Yesterday
1370Are you sure they took them down and weren't just straight up stolen? That does tend to happen to Trump signs.
1371É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1372Noodle Emperor Yesterday
1373Though I do believe he did get a surge of renewed interest when the FBI renewed their investigation into Hillary so that could have been the thing that happened, too.
1374É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1375Noodle Emperor an hour ago
1376...the fear mongering in this plurk is out of this world, good lord. I thought it'd calmed down some last I looked.
1377É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1378Noodle Emperor 41 minutes ago
1379I mean, people have been beaten so badly they ended up in the hospital because they're voting repub, so let's not try to pretend only the republicans try to do it.
1380É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1381Noodle Emperor
1382But it can be hard to track down some forms of intimidation, too. How do you catch the dude who slashes the tires of the guy with a trump sticker? Or keys 'Trump sucks' in the paint?
1383É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1384Noodle Emperor 34 minutes ago
1385I haven't even heard anything yet dealing with the people who steal the Trump signs aside from I think? One or two who escalated?
1386É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1387Noodle Emperor 32 minutes ago
1388Look at the homeless woman who was bullied for protecting the Trump star. Both sides are just
1389Noodle Emperor 	
1390...Do you seriously not know about this stuff?
1391Noodle Emperor 	
1392I just assumed some of that stuff was well known.
1393É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1394Noodle Emperor
1395I doubt that Hillary would turn us into Russia, either. I do think that there's an increased chance of war against Russia though, because she's VERY aggressively anti-Russia right now
1396Noodle Emperor 	
1397Did you not see that one either?
1398Noodle Emperor 	
1399Like, if you don't know this stuff I can 100% go track it down if you want.
1400Noodle Emperor 	
1401I just assumed people were keeping track.
1402Ash!!1 	
1403even putting aside the blatant horrible stuff that's been done, I just don't see how anyone can think a businessman--just that, a businessman, no prior experience what so fucking ever
1404Ash!!1 	
1405would be a better president than someone with actual experience in the white house and a lawyer to boot
1406Ash!!1 	
1407like
1408Ash!!1 	
1409??????????????????????????
1410Noodle Emperor 	
1411You want sources for all those statements, or are you just...quoting everything I said, though?
1412Murder Duck 	
1413...I'll grant that Hillary's probably harder on Russia than Obama but if Reagan's inflammatory rhetoric didn't start WWIII then idk if she can do more than make things vaguely tense
1414É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1415i'm just answering this query
1416É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1417"Noodle Emperor 
1418...What have I said that requires sources that I didn't provide?"
1419Noodle Emperor 	
1420Dude. Reagan was an actor. You don't need to be a career politician to be a good president.
1421É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1422i stated that you did not source many of the things you have claimed in this plurk
1423É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1424and you asked which ones
1425É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1426so i found those
1427Noodle Emperor 	
1428Then I'll source the things.
1429Murder Duck 	
1430I mean he was basically a charming muppet who occasionally yelled at the Soviets while other people did policy so he wasn't the worst
1431Ash!!1 	
1432dude reagan was also a governor. he had at least a little experience.
1433Noodle Emperor 	
1434I didn't realize some of those things required sources.
1435Matt 	
1436Noodle, you have no friends here. Go elsewhere. Please.
1437Matt 	
1438(yes, I did block you, and you are still blocked.)
1439Murder Duck 	
1440...also that yeah Reagan at least had practice governoring
1441É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1442i never said they did
1443É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1444i said that you keep saying things and not backing them up with sources
1445É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1446so i don't see why i should be disallowing people from arguing with you
1447Noodle Emperor 	
1448https://i.imgur.com/SHxla1R.jpg This picture is kind of rude but it's the easiest thing I can find that succinctly lists his successful businesses compared to his failed ones.
1449Noodle Emperor 	
1450I've been told there's lots more without his name, but I can't find a source on those and it's not relevant, because it still computes to 97% success rate
1451Noodle Emperor 	
1452I really don't mind if people argue with me. I don't want things to get super rude or hostile, but I am fine with arguments.
1453É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1454...one of the first things on that list is the trump foundation...
1455geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
1456it's more like 42%, which is still respectable
1457Noodle Emperor 	
1458That is an interesting pictograph.
1459Noodle Emperor 	
1460The point is, the argument that he's a business failure is easily proven wrong and should have gone away a long time ago. He has failures, he isn't as a whole a failure.
1461É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1462in either case i disagree that being a good businessman is an indicator that he would be good for the economy
1463Noodle Emperor 	
1464That's a fair argument. I'm merely dismissing the fact that he is a failure as a businessman.
1465Ash!!1 	
1466last thing I'm going to say but no matter what arguement is provided, unless Hillary has personally shown up to punch a child in the face in front of you she's done nothing worse than like
1467Ash!!1 	
1468any other politician ever
1469Ash!!1 	
1470and is stil 10000000% more qualified than trump will ever be
1471Ash!!1 	
1472it's like passing over a qualified candidate in a job interview and going WELL I LIKE THE LOOK OF THIS FRAT BOY
1473Noodle Emperor 	
1474...that's...patently wrong.
1475Ash!!1 	
1476SURELY NOTHING WILL PROBABLY GO WRONG, WHY NOT
1477Ash!!1 	
1478okay but in simple terms
1479Ash!!1 	
1480are you gonna say trump is more qualified
1481Ash!!1 	
1482y / n
1483Ash!!1 	
1484simple as that
1485Noodle Emperor 	
1486I mean, the quality of her experience is questionable. Yes, she's had it, but she was forced to resign because she failed.
1487Noodle Emperor 	
1488So I really don't think that's a good argument to make re: here's their resume
1489Ash!!1 	
1490yes or no bruh
1491Ash!!1 	
1492and he's failed a few businesses
1493Ash!!1 	
1494but you don't say that makes him a bad businessman
1495Ash!!1 	
1496?????
1497Noodle Emperor 	
1498You're asking me a purposefully loaded question stripped of context, bro.
1499Ash!!1 	
1500nah when it comes down to it, trump is just plain not fit to be put in a position of political power
1501Noodle Emperor 	
1502It's like saying you have two resumes. One has experience but was fired for something very bad and one has no experience at the job previously. Which one is more qualified?
1503Ash!!1 	
1504that's just plain common sense
1505Noodle Emperor 	
1506That's cool, because I feel the same about Hillary.
1507Ash!!1 	
1508you do you bruh, you're obv at a wall so \(unsure)/
1509Ash!!1 	
1510night folks, yall rock on
1511Noodle Emperor 	
1512What you're discussing is basically opinion, it's not fact.
1513É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1514hillary's resignation is speculative
1515Noodle Emperor 	
1516And that's a fine reason to vote for someone
1517É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1518i mean
1519É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1520so is that she was forced to resign because of her failures
1521Noodle Emperor 	
1522That's politics though. There was a very bad scandal that involved multiple deaths, lots of people got booted for it and Hillary also resigned during that time.
1523Murder Duck 	
1524if I want heart surgery I'll take a doctor with a malpractice suit over a Wendy's manager tyvm
1525Noodle Emperor 	
1526Dude, that's your choice, but that's still a matter of opinion.
1527Murder Duck 	
1528some ppl just like a heart fulla chili
1529Noodle Emperor 	
1530You can't say they absolutely are the better choice
1531Noodle Emperor 	
1532Some people just don't trust the doctor who dropped the heart on the floor and stomped on it on accident last time he tried it.
1533Noodle Emperor 	
1534I'm not saying either one is more legitimate. It's just something that's going to influence people
1535Noodle Emperor 	
1536You're right to trust the surgeon given their training, and you're right not to trust the surgeon given their history
1537Noodle Emperor 	
1538so it's a moot point overall
1539É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1540i think this is a bad analogy for you
1541É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1542because even if the doctor accidentally steps on the heart
1543É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1544even if the doctor has shaky hands
1545É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1546the doctor has training...
1547É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1548like even if the doctor is out of practice, out of work, has malpractice suits, idk fucking put a pipe bomb in somene's chest cavity on purpose
1549É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1550you have a chance of survival
1551Noodle Emperor 	
1552I think it's a really good analogy, because many people are going to press for a third option, which is exactly what's happening re: the election
1553É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1554with the other guy, joe schmoe, you and me
1555É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1556you have zero chance of survival
1557É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1558like if you handed me a scalpel and said go at it
1559É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1560you'd die
1561Noodle Emperor 	
1562...I am not choosing the doctor who put a pipe bomb into a patient. I'll take my chances with the guy who can read up on it first. At least it'll be an accident if I die.
1563Murder Duck 	
1564shame the two most popular 'third options' make me roll my eyes out of my skull and all the way to the moon
1565Noodle Emperor 	
1566Though mind you, I'm leaning toward the 'third' choice, which is a doctor who isn't as renowned but doesn't have a malpractice suit either
1567Noodle Emperor 	
1568Understandable. I'm not a big fan of the top third options either.
1569Noodle Emperor 	
1570Castle is the one I'm looking at
1571seaking 	
1572and is gonna get elbowed out of the way by one of the other two
1573É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1574yeah i also can't get on board with johnson or stein
1575É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1576anyway
1577É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1578you're assuming that the other doctor WOULDN't put a pipe bomb in your chest either
1579É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1580i mean the other guy* he is not a doctor
1581Noodle Emperor 	
1582He doesn't have a history of it, so I feel safer about it, y'know?
1583seaking 	
1584if you want to really make this analogy, you are in a locked room in antarctica during a blizzard
1585seaking 	
1586the "third option" is still in america and will never get through that blizzard in time, since it won't let up for weeks
1587Noodle Emperor 	
1588Similar to retail. Two dudes, one has a history of stealing from the company, the other its their first job. Which one is more likely to steal?
1589Noodle Emperor 	
1590That's a pretty fair way of framing it
1591seaking 	
1592you have a trained doctor with a malpractice suit on one end, and the actual burger king on the other
1593É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1594this is a wrong analogy because you're comparing apples to oranges
1595É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1596it should be
1597Noodle Emperor 	
1598And seriously. I'm not arguing which is right, because there isn't a correct answer. It's legitimately down to which one you trust more.
1599É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1600"two dudes, one that has a history of stealing, and one where it's their first job, who do you think would do a better job"
1601É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1602not who do you think will steal
1603É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1604that makes no sense
1605seaking 	
1606there is exactly one thing you can trust about trump, and it's that he is out for what's best for trump and no one else
1607Noodle Emperor 	
1608Well, that was in response to "The other guy might put a bomb in you too"
1609Noodle Emperor 	
1610That's a straight up lie.
1611seaking 	
1612imagine he already has a bomb in his hands though
1613Noodle Emperor 	
1614I mean, yes, I'm sure he's out for himself, but he's done plenty of selfless things too. He's not inhuman.
1615seaking 	
1616because like, that seems fitting to the analogy
1617seaking 	
1618that bomb is going in you
1619É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1620wait
1621É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1622can i get a source on the selfless things
1623É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1624for real this time
1625Noodle Emperor 	
1626Sure
1627Noodle Emperor 	
1628Just a moment, I'll dig em up
1629Murder Duck 	
1630tl;dr Castle is calling the a U.N. Satanic, Mother Earth worshiping pagan cult
1631Murder Duck 	
1632fucking lol
1633Noodle Emperor 	
1634https://archive.is/cJ44t Trump flies a critically ill child to doctors on his private jet.
1635Noodle Emperor 	
1636https://archive.is/SjChh Trump flies 200 marines home in a private jet
1637Noodle Emperor 	
1638https://archive.is/Yqjgv Trump pays off old lady's farm/mortgage for her
1639É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1640well it's nice that he's done these things
1641Noodle Emperor 	
1642https://archive.is/XA3qk Trump dismantles racism in Palm Beach
1643É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1644but he's also lied about his charitable donations
1645Noodle Emperor 	
1646I can stop if you like, though there's plenty more.
1647É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1648including money he promised for 9/11
1649Noodle Emperor 	
1650Man, I ain't calling him a saint. I'm saying he's definitely not only out or himself. He is genuinely selfless and does really, really good deeds at times too.
1651geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
1652he also tried to take credit for someone else's donations to children with AIDs
1653Noodle Emperor 	
1654Not even a 'compared to Clinton' thing
1655Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1656"look at all these nice things trump did bc they totally excuse his disgusting misogynistic behavior" yeah no
1657Noodle Emperor 	
1658just refuting the statement that he's totally out for just himself
1659Noodle Emperor 	
1660That's not relevant to my point?
1661É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1662" Mr. Trump then approached the town council about lifting the restrictions that had been placed on the club."
1663É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1664so
1665Noodle Emperor 	
1666I can go for pro feminist behavior if you want, but I was dealing with his generosity/kindness compared to the blanket statement that he's a snake
1667É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1668he approached them about lifting restrictions on... his own... club?
1669seaking 	
1670that doesn't really refute it though?
1671seaking 	
1672it just means that, like most rich dudes, he makes nice gestures every now and then to look like less of a scumbag
1673Noodle Emperor 	
1674A lot of his gestures aren't highly public though?
1675Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1676lmfao where do you get your news from. cosmo?
1677Noodle Emperor 	
1678Like the dude that he paid the mortgage for because he helped change his tire
1679seaking 	
1680if they aren't "highly public" then how are you sharing them now
1681É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1682wait i'm still having trouble with this mar a lago thing
1683Noodle Emperor 	
1684Because they got out to the news anyway
1685Murder Duck 	
1686I mean my dad has black friends, who he's done nice things for. He also has said he doesn't want me or my sisters to marry a black person. So. Y'know.
1687É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1688it looks like the only thing he really did was let jewish people and black people attend his club ??
1689Noodle Emperor 	
1690He didn't jump out onto TV like "HEY LOOK WHAT I DID" people involved said things
1691seaking 	
1692they "got out to the news"
1693seaking 	
1694just somehow
1695É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1696ok fine let's walk back the statemet that
1697Noodle Emperor 	
1698He also sent out 'Guess who's coming to dinner' to the people involved in blocking jewish and black people from going to the clubs and such
1699É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1700trump is literally the devil and has only done terrible things
1701É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1702he's done some nice things
1703É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1704he's done a lot of really not nice things
1705Noodle Emperor 	
1706...really, man
1707seaking 	
1708like how do you not know that the people involved who said things weren't people paid to say things?
1709É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1710and can we please remove the mar a lago thing as a "good thing" about trump regarding racism
1711É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1712letting a race and a religious group pay to attend your club is not an act of kindless
1713É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1714kindness*
1715É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1716and shouldn't be treated as such
1717É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1718that's dangerous
1719É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1720it's like saying racism is over because we have a black president
1721Noodle Emperor 	
1722I realize that it's no selfless in that case. However, the people who COULDN'T attend clubs likely appreciated having one that they could
1723Noodle Emperor 	
1724And doesn't invalidate the other things linked
1725É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1726you did the bare bones to be not racist, you don't get a trophy for that
1727Noodle Emperor 	
1728I meant to include (if I didn't) that it wasn't a selfless act in that case
1729É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1730no but again i'm not arguing that trump has literally never done a nice thing
1731É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1732yeah but you kind of stuck it into an argument about donald trump being a nice guy like
1733É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1734idk
1735É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1736i guess? if the bar is so low that we're counting basic decency
1737Noodle Emperor 	
1738I dunno, under the circumstances of it, it counts. Just because the people around weren't even exercising that.
1739Noodle Emperor 	
1740But that said
1741É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1742ok
1743Noodle Emperor 	
1744No point in continuing it, since we've established that he can indeed be a nice dude
1745Noodle Emperor 	
1746Whether he's always nice wasn't my point.
1747seaking 	
1748the idea that he's mostly out for himself doesn't rule out the possibility of him ever having done a nice thing, either
1749É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1750nope, go back
1751Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1752sure and fox news is a reliable news source too
1753É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1754if you're going to continue pretending like it counts as a NICE thing to ALLOW black people in your club
1755Noodle Emperor 	
1756...what
1757É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1758Noodle Emperor 
1759I dunno, under the circumstances of it, it counts
1760É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1761this does NOT count
1762Noodle Emperor 	
1763...okay then. I already discounted it because he got benefit out of it anyway
1764Noodle Emperor 	
1765It was something I was on the fence about including
1766Noodle Emperor 	
1767(Like Trump jumping out to scare off the mugger. There's multiple accounts that he did, and ones that he didn't, so bringing it into the situation is pointless)
1768seaking 	
1769even beyond that, the problem is you took a thing i said and blew it out to hyperbolic proportions ("it isn't like he's inhuman!"), so that you could prove it wrong by producing one nice thing he did
1770Noodle Emperor 	
1771But you STARTED with a hyperbole
1772seaking 	
1773he has done nice things, but that doesn't really refute what i said
1774Noodle Emperor 	
1775He does things for other people too. Is he chiefly out for his own gain? Totally a possibility despite how much he's been smeared and attacked for this, but that doesn't negate
1776Noodle Emperor 	
1777that he'd also be out for other people's good as well.
1778hanamaru. 	
1779> wow this plurk is long i wonder what it's--
1780hanamaru. 	
1781
1782Noodle Emperor 	
1783because he does indeed help others
1784hanamaru. 	
1785oh.
1786seaking 	
1787i didn't? not as extreme as you're talking
1788Noodle Emperor 	
1789Oh, well that's the impression I got
1790Noodle Emperor 	
1791I apologize if that's not what you meant
1792seaking 	
1793the main point is, without any hyperbole, is that he's more interested in what's best for trump than what's best for america
1794seaking 	
1795like he's had former campaign managers testify to that
1796Noodle Emperor 	
1797I know there's a lot of people out there who think Trump is an amazing and good dude, but I'm only interested in arguing against wrong or extreme portrayal of negativity
1798Noodle Emperor 	
1799not trying to argue that he is a super good dude. He's a billionare. The man is not a religious figure of goodness.
1800seaking 	
1801you're not really doing that though
1802É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1803no, they are doing that, they're just kind of attacking a strawman of it
1804Noodle Emperor 	
1805To be fair, Hillary is also out for herself (and probably certain others), not America. That doesn't really decide who you should vote for unless you firmly believe one or the other IS being selfless.
1806É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1807like they managed to prove earlier that trump is not literally hitler
1808É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1809and that he isn't a cartoon villain
1810É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1811so
1812É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1813shrugs
1814É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1815like, nboody said trump was literally hitler or a cartoon villain though
1816Noodle Emperor 	
1817(Well, they did and do, just not in this plurk specifically.)
1818seaking 	
1819i mean you're calling him "genuinely selfless" as if that's a defining quality of the man, rather than an occasional one when it suits his purposes
1820Noodle Emperor 	
1821Oh, yeah, I realized that was a way that could come off like that
1822Noodle Emperor 	
1823but I was hoping the 'at times' was the qualifier
1824É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1825also i'm going to bed because it's late but i think it's very clear from clinton's record of public service that she is chiefly concerned with healthcare and with children
1826É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1827so...
1828Noodle Emperor 	
1829In that he can be genuinely selfless. Not that he is at all times
1830Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1831"at times" doesn't 100% excuse a person's shitty behavior
1832seaking 	
1833and many of the "refutations" you've given throughout this plurk haven't been actually discussing what someone is saying about trump, but digging out some case where you think hilary's been worse
1834É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1835^and again, refuting strawmen of people's ideas of trump that you've even admitted that aren't being discussed in this plurk
1836seaking 	
1837and most of them have been cases of calling out the speck when others are discussing a plank
1838Noodle Emperor 	
1839Er...well sometimes but not always? And in a A vs B situation, it is relevant if "I'm not voting for B because they did x" if A did it worse.
1840Noodle Emperor 	
1841an*
1842É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1843but when have you actually proven that hillary was worse in any of these cases
1844seaking 	
1845well, usually the things being said about b are worse than the things you're bringing up about a
1846Noodle Emperor 	
1847To be fair, I'm not often bringing up vs Hillary so I can't remember what I didn't source regarding that.
1848Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1849no matter how much u try to argue hilary is the Literal Devil, i'm still not voting for donald "grab 'em by the pussy" trump
1850Noodle Emperor 	
1851Oh, the Russia thing, right?
1852seaking 	
1853you have though?
1854Noodle Emperor 	
1855You can vote for literally whoever you want to
1856Noodle Emperor 	
1857I never intended to convince anyone to change their vote
1858seaking 	
1859the russia thing, trying to brush off all the talk of trump's sexual assaults with the case hillary took as a public defender
1860É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1861whoa there
1862Noodle Emperor 	
1863My primary concern is clearing up some of the worst thoughts about Trump partly because I'm tired of seeing them, and partly because
1864É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1865Noodle Emperor 
1866To be fair, Hillary is also out for herself (and probably certain others), not America.
1867Noodle Emperor 	
1868should he win, it seems like it's better to ensure people aren't super distraught about it?
1869É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1870seaking: to be absolutely fair i'm not sure who brought up hillary's past as a public defender
1871É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1872i think i missed that part
1873É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1874but i think they said they didn't
1875Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1876then what ARE you doing other than yelling about what a great, kind, selfless guy trump is who is absolutely 100% looking out for america and most definitely not himself
1877Noodle Emperor 	
1878I don't remember who brought it up
1879seaking 	
1880okay that's a fair point, now that you mention it
1881Noodle Emperor 	
1882it was a quick discussion
1883Noodle Emperor 	
1884That's not what I'm saying though.
1885seaking 	
1886that one did seem to just pop up out of nowhere
1887É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1888i think maybe i have blocked whoever did bring it up
1889É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1890because i do remember it just started out of left field
1891É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
1892anyway... i'm going to bed so... night guys,!
1893Noodle Emperor 	
1894goodnight!
1895Noodle Emperor 	
1896But seriously, aside from just arguing points I've ignored all year about it, my chief concern is just to...help prevent people from getting too anxious about the election?
1897seaking 	
1898i don't think you've really achieved that though
1899Noodle Emperor 	
1900No matter who wins, and as much as I extremely dislike Hillary, neither one is as devilish and capable of destruction as the opposing party says
1901Noodle Emperor 	
1902Well, I'm trying.
1903seaking 	
1904you pretty much just burst in guns blazing and started picking fights
1905Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1906if anything you've only made it worse
1907Noodle Emperor 	
1908Oh, well, I did burst in initially because irritation and such
1909Noodle Emperor 	
1910but today it was primarily the "stop fear-mongering it's not going to be that bad" intent
1911seaking 	
1912no one said anything in response because xy asked everyone not to start a fight here, but it really feels like you kind of didn't read the room and just saw people being "wrong" on the internet
1913Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1914so tbqh i don't know what you're hoping to accomplish through "educating" us about your viewpoint. we're not voting trump. that won't change.
1915Noodle Emperor 	
1916As I said, I'm not trying to convince you to change. I'd be surprised if you did.
1917Noodle Emperor 	
1918(Politics is so very, very charged that basically never happens)
1919seaking 	
1920you're making people feel more talked down to than assured about the future
1921Noodle Emperor 	
1922Well I certainly apologize for that tone.
1923Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1924well you ARE trying real hard. super hard. in a medium where almost literally no one likes trump or anyone from team r
1925Noodle Emperor 	
1926If it's any help, I argue with myself also not to worry should Hillary win because she's not going to get to do much that she wants to do, either.
1927Noodle Emperor 	
1928It's not an attempt to change votes, just to clear up "Yeah this is biased/a misconception, and it's probably not going to matter much"
1929Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1930that's... nice....? i guess? good for you?
1931seaking 	
1932it's an anti-trump plurk, of course it's going to be biased
1933seaking 	
1934i'm pretty okay with being biased against the dude
1935seaking 	
1936he gives plenty of reason to be
1937Noodle Emperor 	
1938Yeah, I know. But it's like I said? The worrying.
1939Noodle Emperor 	
1940If it were just the biased nature I'd have just argued early on when I was already irritable and ignored it from then on because obviously I'm not going to change any mind.
1941Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1942if it's just general worrying, i'm pretty sure you have your own plurk for that kind of thing? if you're looking for someone to validate them, uh.
1943Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1944you're...... kind of...... in the wrong place..............
1945Noodle Emperor 	
1946I mean...yes, I can do that? I have done that. I just kind of...
1947baeyonetta.  	
1948i don't really understand what you're trying to argue here, exactly
1949Noodle Emperor 	
1950I really don't see the issue?
1951seaking 	
1952people are going to be worried until friday, anyway, and nothing you're saying here is going to douse those flames so much as fan them
1953baeyonetta.  	
1954it's a stupid place to put your "well trump isn't so bad bc he did this one decent thing in a slew of shitty things" sentiment
1955Noodle Emperor 	
1956Friday? Isn't it tuesday?
1957baeyonetta.  	
1958nobody cares and nobody wants to hear it
1959baeyonetta. is	
1960the issue
1961seaking 	
1962i don't know what i was thinking, i mean next wednesday
1963Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
1964if you're looking to put out a fire, adding oil isn't the solution
1965Noodle Emperor 	
1966Hey man, you can't really say "Yeah, everyone's anti, so don't say anything contrary to that here"
1967seaking 	
1968but we kind of are?
1969baeyonetta.  	
1970but literally nobody cares
1971seaking 	
1972it's a definite "read the room" situation
1973baeyonetta.  	
1974you're not going to change anyone's opinion here
1975Noodle Emperor 	
1976I realize argument is going to happen, and that doesn't bother me. No one's gotten nasty about it?
1977baeyonetta.  	
1978right
1979Noodle Emperor 	
1980Yeah, sorry. I just don't adhere to that belief. I don't always just speak up if I disagree with a group of people, but I won't just refuse to do it either.
1981baeyonetta.  	
1982why start it? why is expressing this opinion in this place so important to you?
1983Noodle Emperor 	
1984It's really not?
1985Noodle Emperor 	
1986I mean, the overall concept is important, sure
1987ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
1988this is not the hill to die on, dude
1989baeyonetta.  	
1990then why are you doing it?
1991baeyonetta.  	
1992if it's not important why mention it dude
1993Noodle Emperor 	
1994but not in this thread itself
1995Noodle Emperor 	
1996Because it IS important, it's just like...at the same time I'm not going "EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD MUST BELIEVE ME"
1997baeyonetta.  	
1998jesus christ lmao
1999baeyonetta.  	
2000it's not though
2001Noodle Emperor 	
2002and also I just don't see arguing as an innately negative or hostile thing?
2003baeyonetta.  	
2004it doesn't negate him being a horrible person
2005baeyonetta.  	
2006it's not important at all, whatsoever
2007Noodle Emperor 	
2008We disagree on that matter
2009Noodle Emperor 	
2010I think it's important people not be too worried about the election because it's been SO pitched this year.
2011Noodle Emperor 	
2012Neither opinion on the matter is correct, that's just how I feel and so that's why I responded.
2013Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2014sure, but i'm still not going to walk into a cubs game arguing the cardinals or the yankees are totes awesome and the cubs suck.
2015seaking 	
2016but you starting an argument about it isn't going to make it less pitched or people less worried
2017Noodle Emperor 	
2018I feel like Plurk is more of a neutral ground though? I'm not going to the Hillary reddit and arguing it.
2019baeyonetta.  	
2020and it's also really dismissive to say that people shouldn't be worried
2021Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2022likewise i'm not going to walk into a sox game and put up a lecture detailing the history of every yankees win ever
2023seaking 	
2024plurk in general? maybe!
2025baeyonetta.  	
2026literally this plurk is an anti trump plurk though
2027Noodle Emperor 	
2028The ideal was that perhaps people could be convinced, not to change their vote, but that Trump isn't gonna put a bomb in their chest.
2029seaking 	
2030this plurk in particular, nah
2031baeyonetta.  	
2032there's no neutrality at all
2033baeyonetta.  	
2034in this particular plurk
2035baeyonetta.  	
2036nobody thinks that trump is going to put a bomb in their chest; they are concerned about the wide reaching ramifications of his possible presidency, which is a valid concern and one that anyone
2037seaking 	
2038no one thinks trump is going to literally put a bomb in their chest
2039baeyonetta.  	
2040who has ever voted in any election has had
2041Noodle Emperor 	
2042I know, I know. I'm just referencing that analogy.
2043seaking 	
2044but in the terms of that weak metaphor, i would consider trump more likely to put a bomb in a person's chest
2045Noodle Emperor 	
2046In terms of that metaphor, my argument is that there's a slew of nurses nearby and no matter who operates on you, they're not going to let the person put a bomb in you.
2047seaking 	
2048that person i guess being metaphorically america
2049Noodle Emperor 	
2050Right
2051MAGEARNA 	
2052forget metaphors metaphors
2053seaking 	
2054well trump also uses a lot of fascist rhetoric, so him gunning down the nurses first is not a concern that hasn't crossed people's minds
2055Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2056that wasn't the point of that metaphor? like at all? again, no one is saying trump's going to literally plant explosives in all of us
2057MAGEARNA 	
2058clinton wants rigged elections TPP and war in syria, trump is an absolute shitheel raping racist fuck, killer meteor for president
2059seaking 	
2060the whole rigged elections concern reeks of fascist concerns tbh
2061Noodle Emperor 	
2062Neither one of them is going to get most of what they want, therefore, you're probably going to be fine no matter what. One may be better at it than the other, but in the end you'll survive
2063baeyonetta.  	
2064so like, what's your end goal here exactly. do you not think there's anything especially worrying about a white supremacist group endorsing a potential president
2065seaking 	
2066like "we cannot trust the ballots or accept the outcome, if we lose it's time to get our guns ready"
2067Noodle Emperor 	
2068Not at all, considering they're not stupid enough to think "Oh, yeah, the population of the country LOVES us! If we want our way, let's endorse our favorite candidate!"
2069seaking 	
2070that's not a minor worry!
2071MAGEARNA 	
2072ok but the democratic primary was rigged to hell
2073Noodle Emperor 	
2074Controversial figures endorsing candidates don't mean much, because they often do that
2075MAGEARNA 	
2076that's not a minor worry either
2077seaking 	
2078barely anyone voted for bernie, dude
2079seaking 	
2080s2s
2081MAGEARNA 	
2082:^)
2083Greedbaby 	
2084> looks at Donald Trump
2085> looks at fucking Mike Pence 
2086> looks at all the bullshit GoP has been pulling against Obama because they refuse to cooperate
2087Noodle Emperor 	
2088That's not what people say though.
2089Greedbaby 	
2090yeah, sorry, no
2091Greedbaby 	
2092as a queer person, I'm absolutely concerned about them planting a metaphorical bomb in my chest
2093MAGEARNA 	
2094let's ignore the voter registration scrubs, federal financing violations, caucus state victories, open primary victories, consistently superior polling, massive exit polling discrepancy
2095seaking 	
2096like do you really think that the kkk has the self-awareness to think that their endorsement is going to kill someone's candidacy
2097MAGEARNA 	
2098ur right it was totally legit there's not even emails sayin the DNC favored hillary
2099Noodle Emperor 	
2100Yes, I really do. Being racist psychopaths doesn't make them stupid.
2101ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2102it....kinda does, tbh
2103baeyonetta.  	
2104lmfao
2105MAGEARNA 	
2106no, it makes them psychoti
2107MAGEARNA 	
2108c
2109ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2110like that's literally what it means
2111Greedbaby 	
2112buddy, the thing about bigots is that they secretly think everyone agrees with them
2113Greedbaby 	
2114deep down in their heart
2115seaking 	
2116especially when that candidate's platform is built on shit that they're all about
2117Greedbaby 	
2118I mean- /gestures at trump and "he's just saying it like it is!"
2119Noodle Emperor 	
2120So the Nazis were super stupid, huh?
2121Exacerangutan 	
2122oh good is it already time to field the "don't worry nothing really bad could ever actually happen" argument for why Trump is really totally OK...?
2123ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2124yeah kinda
2125Noodle Emperor 	
2126You can't just discount hyper racists as stupid. They can be evil and smart.
2127MAGEARNA 	
2128the kkk is also an organization, like any org it has heads, who are required to finance and organize and do lots of things that intelligent people need to do
2129geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2130......yes?
2131MAGEARNA 	
2132just because they're intelligent doesn't mean they're not super fucking wrong
2133ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2134like what the fuck you expect me to say, godwin ol' pal
2135Noodle Emperor 	
2136Dude. We're literally talking about the KKK
2137Noodle Emperor 	
2138is there a more appropriate group to compare to Nazis?
2139Exacerangutan 	
2140...they functionally declared war on literally everyone, and anyone who thought they didn't wasn't paying attention to their message, so, yeah the Nazis were pretty stupid.
2141Greedbaby 	
2142So
2143MAGEARNA 	
2144yes
2145Noodle Emperor 	
2146especially in the context of 'psychopathic, organized, racist'
2147ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2148okay like
2149Greedbaby 	
2150Are you trying to tell me that the KKK don't actually support Trump?
2151Greedbaby 	
2152because, like
2153Exacerangutan 	
2154We can talk about how stupid they were in practical engineering and strategy and other areas, too, if you like, but
2155Greedbaby 	
2156that's kind of what it's starting to sound like
2157ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2158so if the nazis endorsed trump which they effectively have...youuuuuu're fine with that?
2159MAGEARNA 	
2160a lot of groups in africa, ISIL, the KKK is more comparable to westboro baptist
2161ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2162like. tat's kinda a literal red flag
2163ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2164that's*
2165MAGEARNA 	
2166what if the nazis, in an evil nazi scheme, backed hillary?
2167Noodle Emperor 	
2168I'm saying that it doesn't matter if they endorse him. It isn't a sign that they approve of him or not
2169ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2170....
2171ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2172YES IT IS
2173geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2174it sort of is by definition?
2175ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2176THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS
2177MAGEARNA 	
2178if the company you keep reflects on you, why not worry about hillary's massive saudi donations?
2179baeyonetta.  	
2180unbelievable
2181Noodle Emperor 	
2182Not arguing whether or not the KKK approves of him. Just that the endorsement itself isn't important
2183ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2184WORDS MEAN THINGS
2185MAGEARNA 	
2186... ok fam yes their endorsement is approva
2187MAGEARNA 	
2188l
2189Noodle Emperor 	
2190Dude, do you remember when Iran endorsed W?
2191Exacerangutan 	
2192
2193Exacerangutan 	
2194are
2195Exacerangutan 	
2196are we trying out-surreal the actual election
2197ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2198what the everloving fuck are you talking about
2199Exacerangutanis	
2200that what we're doing now
2201Greedbaby 	
2202> Donald Trump: is a huge racist who has publicly said racist things
2203> A huge racist terrorist group: endorses him
2204> Noodle: I mean, why would they ever approve of him?
2205Noodle Emperor 	
2206Do you...not know that happened?
2207Greedbaby 	
2208that's essentially what I'm getting at here
2209Noodle Emperor 	
2210This was for his second term
2211ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2212no i'm still stuck on you not knowing what 'endorsed' means
2213Noodle Emperor 	
2214If you thought the KKK supported him before, then them endorsing him should mean nothing though
2215ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2216yeah actually it does kinda, sry2say
2217seaking 	
2218it makes it more official
2219Noodle Emperor 	
2220That's all I'm saying. The official endorsement doesn't mean anything, because it's blatantly political. Whether it's to get him in office or Hillary or just to incite riots or something
2221ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2222we can think they support him all we like, endorsing him is them fucking PROVING IT
2223seaking 	
2224like the difference between low-key support and outright support
2225Noodle Emperor 	
2226Yeah, no, we're gonna disagree on this for eternity.
2227ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2228IT MEANS HE IS LITERALLY ACTUALLY SUPPORTED MY WHITE SUPREMACISTS
2229ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2230THAT IS THE ACTUAL FACT OF WHAT THIS WORD MEANS
2231Noodle Emperor 	
2232You think they're stupid, I think they're wily.
2233ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2234BY*
2235seaking 	
2236i think you give them too much credit
2237MAGEARNA 	
2238endorsement implies at least partial approval - endorsement of any party unless it is accepted does not reflect on the party being endorsed. there are definitely criminals who endorse both candidates
2239Noodle Emperor 	
2240It means the group made an official statement that they support him, knowing exactly how people would respond to that
2241Exacerangutan 	
2242It sounds like iran's support for Bush Jr was essentially "well he talks big but he's actually been totally ineffective at doing anything annoying to us at all."
2243seaking 	
2244and ignore how their policies vastly overlap
2245Exacerangutan 	
2246Which is probably comparable to Putin's praise for Trump.
2247geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2248How are they wily? By supporting someone they agree with politically?
2249ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2250you know what fine, not everyone endorsing either candidate is perfect, and that's true
2251MAGEARNA 	
2252like what would be the end goal
2253MAGEARNA 	
2254in that situation
2255ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2256YOU COMPARED THE KKK TO NAZIS YOURSELF
2257ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2258HOW IS THIS NOT THE BOTTOM OF THE SHIT BARREL
2259Noodle Emperor 	
2260And I don't think the Nazis were stupid. I think they were evil and terrifyingly competent.
2261seaking 	
2262do you think the kk would somehow prefer to have hilary as president
2263Exacerangutan 	
2264(also, contrastingly, Bush's campaign explicitly did not accept that endorsement, which is part of the issue)
2265geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2266if they were competent they wouldn't have attacked russian without equipment in winter
2267Noodle Emperor 	
2268Just because they lost doesn't mean they weren't smart
2269geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2270*russia
2271seaking 	
2272would they somehow thrive under those circumstances
2273ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2274yeah dude the nazis were not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer
2275Exacerangutan 	
2276...they were moderately competent and picked a good time when most of Europe was absurdly unprepared and didn't think it could really happen.
2277ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2278like straight up don't even bother
2279Exacerangutan 	
2280A lot of Jews also got on trains to death camps because they didn't believe it could really happen.
2281Noodle Emperor 	
2282I'm not calling the KKK super geniuses, I'm saying for them to do what you're saying is underestimating them and personally I feel it's dangerous to do that.
2283MAGEARNA 	
2284ok not that i endorse trump but you could use that argument for literally anything
2285Exacerangutan 	
2286People's confidence that bad things can't really be happening is easy to harness without a lot of actual competence.
2287Noodle Emperor 	
2288Also, I don't think Trump's gone and accepted the endorsement either, right?
2289MAGEARNA 	
2290a lot of people voted for hillary cuz they didn't believe she supported TPP, a lot of people voted for the iraq war cuz they thought it could be won, and so on
2291MAGEARNA 	
2292of course he hasn't
2293geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2294accepting the endorsement would be political suicide, of course he wouldn't do that
2295Noodle Emperor 	
2296The KKK are pretty private, right? If they wanted to endorse him, why not do it secretly?
2297Exacerangutan 	
2298I know back in March he refused to reject it until he'd been coached, and then made up a bullshit story about how he couldn't hear the interviewer.
2299ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2300because hey guess what, they're not smart
2301Noodle Emperor 	
2302I know, I can't win this argument. It's literally just a matter of "Are the KKK super idiots"
2303geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2304....why would they secretly endorse him
2305Exacerangutan 	
2306...........wat
2307Noodle Emperor 	
2308With their own people....?
2309ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2310you can't win because you're basically wrong, dude
2311ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2312i'm telling you do not die on this hill and walk away
2313seaking 	
2314wouldn't that defeat the purpose of an endorsement
2315Exacerangutan 	
2316..........................because they expect racist assholes to come out of the woodwork and rally to their call?
2317Exacerangutan 	
2318because most people think other people think the way they do?
2319ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2320^
2321Noodle Emperor 	
2322No, it's because the argument is literally "They're too stupid to realize endorsing him actually damages his chances to win"
2323Exacerangutan 	
2324and are puzzled and frustrated and alarmed whenever that expectation is contradicted?
2325ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2326okay
2327ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2328prove me wrong.
2329Exacerangutan 	
2330//waves around at this plurk//
2331Noodle Emperor 	
2332prove you wrong about...what...?
2333seaking 	
2334okay but all the facts point to that being the case
2335seaking 	
2336whereas you are only speculating otherwise
2337ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2338what makes you think this endorsement isn;t effectively 'he's saying what we all think'
2339Noodle Emperor 	
2340Again, I'm not saying the KKK doesn't support him. All I'm saying is the endorsement is nothing more than election week nonsense.
2341ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2342and believing it'll rally similarly bigoted garbage to the cause
2343Greedbaby 	
2344....Isn't that exactly what you said tho?
2345ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2346what the fuck does that mean
2347Greedbaby 	
2348like, "an endorsement doesn't mean approval" or something?
2349seaking 	
2350what they're trying to do is secure the racist vote, they genuinely believe that is high enough to get a winner
2351Noodle Emperor 	
2352The fact that bad people endorse politicians all the time when they KNOW they're not well liked?
2353ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2354that's exactly what you said
2355ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2356this is a little higher grade than general 'bad people'
2357ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2358just a little
2359seaking 	
2360the kkk don't think of themselves as bad
2361Noodle Emperor 	
2362What what?
2363seaking 	
2364they think everyone else is
2365seaking 	
2366that's the point of them
2367ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2368^
2369Noodle Emperor 	
2370Imma just sit here and disagree with the fact that they're oblivious to the fact that people hate them.
2371Exacerangutan 	
2372...most of the people who think of themselves as not-well-liked are depressives, not loud racists.
2373geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2374most "bad" people think they are doing the right thing, they're not cartoon villains laughing upon high about how evil they are
2375seaking 	
2376they think all the "good" people who agree with them will rally to the call
2377Exacerangutan 	
2378that's what the "silent majority" is all about
2379ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2380the kkk are the kind of bigoted garbage that think their cause is right and everyone else is wrong, it is pretty much textbook martyr complex bullshit
2381Exacerangutan 	
2382that the Liberal Media doesn't like you but they don't speak for the Real People
2383seaking 	
2384i'm pretty sure that they consider the people who don't like them the villains, and those are the people they want to keep out of office
2385Exacerangutan 	
2386and the Real People will rise up if you just shout your message loud enough and lead the charge
2387ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2388so endorsing trump means hey, guess what, they think (probably correctly) that he's in line with their ideals
2389ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2390it literally does not matter if you disagree or not because that's a fact at this point in time
2391Noodle Emperor 	
2392mmkay. In the end it doesn't matter. KKK endorsing or not endorsing Trump wouldn't change how anyone here votes anyway.
2393Noodle Emperor 	
2394so it's not relevant anyway
2395ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2396then why did you even fucking speak up, dude
2397ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2398put down the megaphone and walk. away.
2399Noodle Emperor 	
2400Someone literally said something to me about it???
2401seaking 	
2402if you think it isn't relevant then mute and move on
2403seaking 	
2404it's literally the topic that started this plurk
2405seaking 	
2406people are talking about it in this plurk because we think it's relevant
2407Noodle Emperor 	
2408I realize that. I addressed it initially and then I moved on from it because the plurk did
2409seaking 	
2410so if you don't think it's relevant, why are you here
2411ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2412you didn't tho
2413ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2414here you are
2415ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2416you're right here
2417ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2418inserting your foot into your mouth
2419Noodle Emperor 	
2420Because when I initially started talking in the plurk I was irritable and totally up for a fight?
2421Noodle Emperor 	
2422Oh piss off
2423seaking 	
2424we don;t want to fight you
2425ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2426oh gosh i'm sorry i guess i'm ~irritable and up for a fight~
2427seaking 	
2428if you want a fight, seriously go somewhere else
2429ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2430seriously, this was civil until you started showing your ass
2431Noodle Emperor 	
2432Tell that to the person that literally asked me
2433Exacerangutan 	
2434...yeah there are certain circumstances where unsolicited Devil's Advocacy goes over well, but.......
2435ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2436literally no one did until you busted in with your devil's advocate megaphone
2437Noodle Emperor 	
2438I was being perfectly civil and then someone brought up the KKK thing again directly asking my opinion
2439Noodle Emperor 	
2440and I gave it and you've all been angry since.
2441Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2442no one forced you to look brah. no one forced you to comment either.
2443Greedbaby 	
2444Buddy I'm gonna be honest with you here
2445seaking 	
2446people asking "why are you here' aren't looking for a sincere answer
2447seaking 	
2448more like "why haven't you left yet"
2449Greedbaby 	
2450I think you walked in here from the start with your ass to us and your fingers spreading your asshole
2451Noodle Emperor 	
2452Yes, INITIALLY I appeared in the plurk about it, that was days ago
2453Greedbaby 	
2454because that's how you've been acting
2455Exacerangutan 	
2456pretty sure a lot of people were cheesed off as soon as the False Flag argument dropped
2457ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2458'why are you here' is a rhetorical question
2459Greedbaby 	
2460"initially" implies you ever stopped
2461ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2462it means 'your contrary opinion is not one we wish to address'
2463Greedbaby 	
2464because tbh, I don't think you did
2465Noodle Emperor 	
2466" baeyonetta. 25 minutes ago
2467so like, what's your end goal here exactly. do you not think there's anything especially worrying about a white supremacist group endorsing a potential president "
2468Noodle Emperor 	
2469that is not "go away I don't like you"
2470seaking 	
2471it is though?
2472ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2473that kind of is tho
2474geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2475it very clearly is
2476Noodle Emperor 	
2477It shouldn't be
2478Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2479I genuinely have NO respect for people who vote Trump, and as a lesbian I am terrified for all this shit. His running mate supports conversion camps. You do not choose a partner like that if you have problems
2480seaking 	
2481it's asking why you are still here doing the thing that you're doing
2482Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2483uh yeah it.......... kind of is......... do you... not read between the lines or something........
2484Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2485with that. source, since yusagi seems to have reality check issues
2486Noodle Emperor 	
2487Then I guess the people that started being assholes here are you guys? Because I assumed it was just a legitimate question.
2488ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2489that's pretty much a 'you should probably stop'
2490seaking 	
2491when i've said that you aren't reading the room, that's what i mean
2492ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2493look i have trouble reading sarcasm over text myself but that's. pretty clear.
2494Noodle Emperor 	
2495I'd already established very, VERY clearly the only reason I was currently present was to help assuage fears about the potential election
2496Noodle Emperor 	
2497It was pretty much done and over with
2498ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2499yeah you didn't
2500ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2501at all
2502Exacerangutan 	
2503If you find yourself in a situation where you're saying unironically "clearly everyone here except me is an asshole" you might want to take a step back. As a rule of thumb.
2504seaking 	
2505and we've established very, VERY clearly that you have achieved the opposite
2506Noodle Emperor 	
2507No
2508Noodle Emperor 	
2509I was being civil. And as I said, I assumed that the discussion was about over
2510Noodle Emperor 	
2511and was about to leave because it wasn't relevant to me
2512Noodle Emperor 	
2513and then someone asked me a question
2514Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2515Then why are you continuing? Just bow out.
2516ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2517^
2518Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2519if it gets to "everyone else is an asshole and doesn't Get Itâ„¢" when we pointed out multiple times you're preaching to the wrong choir... yeah.... it's time to step back.
2520ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2521it literally does not matter at this point
2522ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2523just remove yourself from the situation
2524Exacerangutan 	
2525oh well if someone talked to you then clearly everything you have said is right and it doesn't seem at all like you're just trolling for kicks
2526Exacerangutan 	
2527
2528Noodle Emperor 	
2529Because I'm not going to be bullied for no reason?
2530Noodle Emperor 	
2531They asked me a question. I literally just answered it.
2532seaking 	
2533i honestly don't think they're trolling
2534Exacerangutan 	
2535
2536Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2537bullied.
2538Noodle Emperor 	
2539Sorry that it was actually someone being a giant turd and not a genuine one?
2540Greedbaby 	
2541....buddy. it was pretty obvious that there's a reason, and it's not bullying.
2542seaking 	
2543dude this isn't you being bullied, fuck off with that
2544Exacerangutan 	
2545I really don't know any more
2546Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2547like.... really.............
2548Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2549really
2550Exacerangutan 	
2551like I said this plurk is getting as surreal as the election
2552ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2553yeah this iiiisn't bullying
2554ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2555at all
2556stay fresh! 	
2557... are you serious rn
2558ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2559nah
2560Greedbaby 	
2561People tried debating with you, man, that's not bullying.
2562Noodle Emperor 	
2563And I was fine with that
2564seaking 	
2565this is someone who's been pretty combative being unwelcome in a discussion of people who aren;t into fighting them
2566Noodle Emperor 	
2567I'm fine with debating. It's when things have gotten just
2568Greedbaby 	
2569And when people got tired because some of your logic didn't make sense and told you to leave?
2570Noodle Emperor 	
2571insulting for no reason
2572Greedbaby 	
2573Still not bullying.
2574Exacerangutan 	
2575but yeah bullying is not what it's called when you deliberately piss a lot of people off and then they act like angry people afterward...
2576seaking 	
2577we haven't really even insulted you, we just told you we don;t want to keep having this conversation in circles
2578Noodle Emperor 	
2579I didn't deliberately piss anyone off.
2580Greedbaby 	
2581To be fair, your dismissive attitude was kind of insulting, and even when you were told that, it seems like you still didn't really... take it in
2582Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2583There were so many times you could have just bowed out. Like, said what you wanted, then get out. It's not that difficult.
2584geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2585if you didn't, then you should excuse yourself from the conversation now before things get even more heated
2586Noodle Emperor 	
2587Like I was about to? Because everything was said??
2588seaking 	
2589really and seriously, it would be best if you muted this plurk
2590Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2591No one is forcing you to come back to this plurk.
2592ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2593let's use another metaphor: you walked into the pepsi room at a soda convention and started shouting PEPSI IS GARBAGE and then continued to argue your point even though the open door is directly behind you
2594ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2595the door is open
2596Noodle Emperor 	
2597I didn't, though
2598Exacerangutan 	
2599I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt. You've been kicking the hornets' nest since 8am PST, either you're doing it deliberately or you're completely out of touch with everything happening in this plurk.
2600Exacerangutan 	
2601I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt. You've been kicking the hornets' nest since 8am PST, either you're doing it deliberately or you're completely out of touch with everything happening in this plurk.
2602Noodle Emperor 	
2603I walked into a coke conference where people were shouting "Pepsi is garbage and it's going to kill us all!" and said "It's really not going to kill you."
2604Exacerangutan 	
2605
2606ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2607the semantics do not improve your stance
2608Noodle Emperoris	
2609it different from the mentality of the room? Sure. But I'm not stirring things up. I've even apologized multiple times for when I did come off incorrectly
2610Noodle Emperor 	
2611or rudely
2612ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2613i was trying to toss you an assist here as to why this is asinine, aguing phrasing was the wrong move.
2614Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2615more like you walked into an anti pepsi con and told people they're wrong. is closer to it.
2616ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2617arguing*
2618ÐºÎ±Ð²ÏƒÏƒÊ€Î±gÎ¹ 	
2619well, on the plus side this plurk sure has taught me who to avoid forever
2620geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2621just because you didn't mean to stir things up doesn't mean you didn't
2622seaking 	
2623you have stirred things up like
2624seaking 	
2625constantly
2626Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2627same, i have a feeling a looooot of people will be avoiding you from hereon out
2628Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2629seriously. it's like you keep sticking your hand into a hornet's nest and immediately after the fact you wonder why you got stung in the first place
2630Greedbaby 	
2631Funnily enough, I just scrolled up to the top of the plurk
2632Noodle Emperor 	
2633The last thing I said before someone asked me things was just agreeing with everyone in the plurk, though.
2634Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2635so good thing the avoiding will be mutual
2636Greedbaby 	
2637and at the point you jumped in, Noodle
2638Greedbaby 	
2639people weren't really going on about trump killing them all
2640Noodle Emperor 	
2641I care literally 0% that strangers will avoid me, man.
2642Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2643wow.
2644Greedbaby 	
2645So your analogy there doesn't fit
2646Noodle Emperor 	
2647Yep, because when I first jumped in I was cruising for an argument. It didn't happen, I calmed down, I left.
2648Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2649i didn't say you cared. i said it was mutual.
2650Noodle Emperor 	
2651When I came back later it was re: the worrying. I already said I would have left things be otherwise
2652Exacerangutan 	
2653...but you're... still here.. having the same conversation........
2654Greedbaby 	
2655Also nope
2656Greedbaby 	
2657People had moved on by then
2658Noodle Emperor 	
2659Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ okay...?
2660seaking 	
2661okay, so why are you still trying to justify why you are here
2662ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2663dude. disengage
2664Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2665you clearly care to some percentage about what we think about you arguing in circles about this
2666Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2667people were "fear mongering" because the actual thought of trump as a president is terrifying to a lot of people
2668ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2669d i s e n g a g e
2670Exacerangutan 	
2671if you're done
2672seaking 	
2673like you have said it over and over again, it is not new information
2674Exacerangutan 	
2675why are you not done
2676Noodle Emperor 	
2677Yeah, actually, I noticed that after I made the comment, I thought it was scrolled down all the way and it wasn't
2678seaking 	
2679but why are you still here now?
2680Noodle Emperor 	
2681which is why I just responded to the natto thing instead once I realized it
2682seaking 	
2683(THIS IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION)
2684Exacerangutan 	
2685//stares into the void//
2686ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2687
2688Greedbaby 	
2689And you didn't disengage then and mute the plurk because....?
2690Greedbaby 	
2691Like, you obviously didn't need to come back, since people were calming down perfectly fine on their own, so....
2692Noodle Emperor 	
2693Because...why should I...? I thought the natto comment WAS disengaging.
2694Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2695if you don't care about what we think then.... what.... are you even doing..... here. why..... are...... you here then........
2696ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2697disengaging would be leaving, muting the plurk, and not coming back to it
2698seaking 	
2699we are't talking about then, we are talking about now
2700Exacerangutan 	
2701if you are still commenting you are by definition not disengaging
2702seaking 	
2703right this moment
2704seaking 	
2705when you are refusing to disengage
2706Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2707but it's in a plurk about NOT liking trump. it's not like the plurk was going to stay on nattoo
2708Noodle Emperor 	
2709Because I really don't see why I should when people are being extremely rude.
2710Exacerangutan 	
2711......so you're sticking around
2712Exacerangutan 	
2713...................because you feel people are being rude
2714Noodle Emperor 	
2715If it had been left at "Yeah, we don't agree" that would be fine. I'm not convincing anyone so there's no issue
2716seaking 	
2717because whatever discussion had been going on before has been totally derailed because you want to be contrarian
2718Exacerangutan 	
2719.....................................by telling you that you seemed to just be picking a fight and they don't want that sort of thing polluting the conversation
2720Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2721walks into an anti-trump plurk trying to "educate" people about personal opinions. people understandably get riled up.
2722Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2723oh my god, i can't deal with people like you right now, how. HOW. HOW. This is why the rest of the world thinks america is out of its mind right now.
2724Karthik1516says	
2725Check out my Plurks also
2726Exacerangutan 	
2727........meaning that you literally are just here to pick a fight because seriously why the hell else
2728Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2729gets told to disengage bc this probably isn't a hill u wanna die on "weh, you're being rude to me!"
2730seaking 	
2731thank you spambot i think i'll decline tho
2732Exacerangutan 	
2733//boggles//
2734ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2735this is not a hard concept
2736Exacerangutan 	
2737the spambot is a comforting touch of normalcy at this point
2738ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2739'this really isn't an argument you should be having in this space'
2740'o ok /leaves and doesn't return'
2741ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2742simple
2743Õ–â™¡Õ¸ïê’žâ™¡ 	
2744jÃ¤vlarns, this is giving me a headache, i'm going to bed.
2745Exacerangutan 	
2746good luck!
2747Greedbaby 	
2748 may you rest well friend
2749Noodle Emperor 	
2750Dude, yes, there's been some civil comments about it, but there's also been much rudeness about it. Why would you think being rude = getting people to listen?
2751Noodle Emperor 	
2752and then I was informed that what I thought was previously civil was also just someone being rude.
2753ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2754people were being blunt and rude because this is not the pace for the opinions you are spouting
2755Exacerangutan 	
2756I think I need to mute this though, this monster plurk of madness is killing my firefox
2757ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2758place*
2759Exacerangutan 	
2760
2761ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2762'[expresses sentiment of legitimate fear trump might get elected]'
2763'it's not that bad guys look he allegedly pet a puppy or something once'
2764ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2765this is not helping, not welcome, and not wanted
2766ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2767i can not spell this out more clearly
2768Exacerangutan 	
2769as much as the urge to resolve misunderstandings burns hot and bright
2770Greedbaby 	
2771Sigh. Listen. Buddy. Whatever you thought you would accomplish by first coming into this plurk- it's not working. You're failing. Whether you meant to or not, all you are doing is starting fights.
2772Noodle Emperor 	
2773You know, the actual plurk creator talked with me on the matter? They could have told me to just leave instead?
2774seaking 	
2775she went to bed
2776Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2777they... kind of did?
2778seaking 	
2779to disengage from the conversation
2780Noodle Emperor 	
2781They went to bed to...go to bed...
2782Exacerangutan 	
2783I think I need to admit that this is just too much, and hand it over to the rest of you
2784Exacerangutan 	
2785good luck
2786seaking 	
2787i mean she started out from your original response asking people not to reply so it wouldn't start a fight?
2788Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2789are you really this bad about reading between the lines
2790seaking 	
2791how does that tell you "this is a good place to continue talking"
2792Noodle Emperor 	
2793Because I expect people to be adults, and just ask me to do something if they want me to do it. I didn't pursue any arguments when they were like "Hey don't respond to them"
2794seaking 	
2795but you came in at that time looking for a fight
2796Greedbaby 	
2797People are trying to be adults
2798Greedbaby 	
2799right now
2800seaking 	
2801like every comment you made was combative
2802Êá´‡á´É´Êœá´ 	
2803like the many many times you were asked to leave bc this isn't the hill u prob wanna die on. ok then.
2804Greedbaby 	
2805by telling you to just disengage
2806Greedbaby 	
2807because it's doing literally no one favors
2808Greedbaby 	
2809but you're refusing to listen because.... people.... are being rude to you....
2810Noodle Emperor 	
2811If she'd come over to me and been like "Hey, you know, could you not?" or any form of that, that would be a thing.
2812seaking 	
2813i think the person refusing to leave because they aren't welcome in a place is the one whose adulthood is dubious
2814Noodle Emperor 	
2815Random people in the plurk are not going to count the same.
2816ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2817literally everyone else is saying effectively that
2818ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜ is	
2819that not enough
2820geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2821....but it's obvious from the "don't engage with them" that that was her intention?
2822Exacerangutan 	
2823if i'm needed i'll be on the bottom of the ocean 
2824Greedbaby 	
2825/pats
2826Greedbaby 	
2827Say hi to the deep sea creatures for me.
2828ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2829ia ia cthulhu ftaghn
2830seaking 	
2831how does "don't engage with them" not express the idea that it would be better if you leave
2832Noodle Emperor 	
2833They continued to converse though? It was clearly a "I don't want this to devolve into a fight"
2834seaking 	
2835they conversed with each other
2836ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2837implying your presence and opinion would start a fight
2838Noodle Emperor 	
2839ie "this is controversial and I don't want everyone to derail this into a bunch of fighting"
2840geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2841....when you, as you admitted, came into the plurk looking for a fight?
2842ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2843ergo, 'this is not a welcome thing in this space'
2844Noodle Emperor 	
2845Yes?
2846Noodle Emperor 	
2847So?
2848ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2849that's not
2850Noodle Emperor 	
2851And then I left the plurk alone until such a point when I was NOT looking for a fight.
2852Greedbaby 	
2853Okay, Noodle, simple yes/no question:
2854ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2855why the fuck would you come into a civil conversation looking for a fight
2856ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2857what's wrong with you
2858Greedbaby 	
2859Are you feeling happy and/or accomplished continuing this conversation?
2860seaking 	
2861it's more like "no one acknowledge that happened, because doing so will only result in a fight"
2862ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2863yes seaking that's more what i was going for, thanks
2864Noodle Emperor 	
2865Greedbaby Frankly I was feeling pretty decent having communicated with people without it turning into a fight
2866Noodle Emperor 	
2867Even though we vastly disagreed
2868Greedbaby 	
2869Yes/No question
2870Greedbaby 	
2871Yes or no
2872Greedbaby 	
2873One word.
2874Noodle Emperor 	
2875and pretty much had come to a compromise
2876seaking 	
2877because most anti-trump people don;t really trust trump supporters not to start a fight when directly engaged
2878Noodle Emperor 	
2879I am not a robot, sorry.
2880ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2881oh my fucking god
2882seaking 	
2883especially when the plurk had become "ways trump supporters are trying to start fights outside polling places"
2884Noodle Emperor 	
2885I'm not a Trump supporter, but I understand that wasn't necessarily clear to start with.
2886Greedbaby 	
2887You don't have to be a robot to answer a yes/no question, my dude
2888Noodle Emperor 	
2889That said, I appreciate people just being straight and clear. Having been told civilly not to continue by the one who made the plurk, I would have.
2890Noodle Emperor 	
2891I do apologize if that did happen at some point in the convo and I missed it
2892ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2893instead you got told exactly that by upwards of five people
2894ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2895and continued to shove your foot in your mouth
2896Noodle Emperor 	
2897But I'm not going to listen to a random person asking me to leave, because I could say the same? Are you going to?
2898ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2899i don't know how much more clear you really need it
2900geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2901the OP of the plurk did tell you to leave, they just didn't use those exact words
2902geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2903if you need to be told things in absolutely literal terms, I don't know what to tell you
2904Noodle Emperor 	
2905They...didn't. And if that's what they meant I didn't realize that.
2906ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2907iunno, is everyone in this plurk telling me to disengage and walk away
2908geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2909it is what they meant
2910ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2911'cause i gotta tell you i'm not the one getting that message right now
2912Noodle Emperor 	
2913I mean are you them? Like I said.
2914geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2915...no, but I know how to read meaning in words
2916ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2917dude
2918ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2919like i said
2920ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2921words mean things
2922Noodle Emperor 	
2923I will apologize if I've distressed them or misunderstood them. The implication I got was that fighting wasn't welcome but the opinion didn't matter
2924ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2925intent is relevant
2926Noodle Emperor 	
2927Dude, I'm not arguing about what the OP said.
2928Noodle Emperor 	
2929It feels very pretentious
2930ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2931you were tossing around an opinion tailor-made to start a fight and confessed to wanting to start a fight
2932Greedbaby 	
2933Okay, everyone- i mean, everyone besides Noodle- it's obvious that this conversation is going nowhere
2934Greedbaby 	
2935So I think what the mature thing to do at this point is just going to block Noodle
2936Noodle Emperor 	
2937Yes, and I stopped doing that.
2938Greedbaby 	
2939because this plurk is starting to hit 1500 and holy shit
2940ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2941it is 230 am and i have work in the morning i am too old for this nonsense
2942ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2943@ OP i'm genuinely sorry your plurk became a shitfest  
2944geÑ•Ñ‚alÑ‚Â° 	
2945same here, I'm sorry to have had a part in it
2946seaking 	
2947i'm definitely going to disengage myself because this is going in circles and jesus it went bad
2948seaking 	
2949apologies all around
2950Noodle Emperor 	
2951I apologize for any fighting, as well.
2952Noodle Emperor 	
2953For what that is worth, aside from a brief and initial venture days(? what is time?) ago, it wasn't actually my intent.
2954Noodle Emperor 	
2955and certainly may have been riled up, but it was indeed my intent - upon returning later - to be nothing but civil and attempt to assuage fears, not pick fights or change anyone.
2956Noodle Emperor 	
2957Also to the OP, I do apologize for messing up the plurk. Aside from an initially rash urge, it wasn't my intention.
2958Murder Duck 	
2959also Castle is totally cray /mutes
2960Noodle Emperor 	
2961rude sir
2962koâ™ix 	
2963Noodle Emperor: back up, did you say the man who ignored the AIDS crisis leading to a fuck epidemic was a good president?
2964Noodle Emperor 	
2965Why are you picking a fight with me again...?
2966Noodle Emperor 	
2967I'm not going to fight you about Reagan in a plurk about Trump.
2968koâ™ix 	
2969All I see from Noodle is whining that they wanted to pick a fight and got it and OH NOES PEOPLE BEING MEAN TO ME BECAUSE I WANTED A FIGHT
2970koâ™ix 	
2971That question wasn't picking a fight, it was asking if you were serious.
2972koâ™ix 	
2973There is a very strong factor of PR when it comes to Reagan that doesn't hold water when looked at at all, and his presidency is what kinda started the GOP PR that we have to deal with today
2974koâ™ix 	
2975But if Reagan is how you judge, that explains a lot
2976koâ™ix 	
2977(also, as many people have said - we aren't going to be calm about the possibility of Trump being president, not because he'd Literally Satan, but because for most of us personally what he has said is a
2978koâ™ix 	
2979threat. Not to mention the whole SCotUS thing, since the next president will be appointing people, if congress would do their damned job)
2980koâ™ix 	
2981Republicans have proven with Trump that even if they don't like him and don't want him, they will bow to party line. That's what makes this dangerous. Trump's "just saying it like i think it" speech has also
2982koâ™ix 	
2983legitimized a lot of very racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, islamphobic, xenophobic thoughts. Yes people already had them, but he is really helping to make them OK to say and act on
2984koâ™ix 	
2985That is a thing that is frightening and should be frightening. No amount of "don't worry he probably can't become dictator" is going to make that a less legitimate fear.
2986seaking 	
2987okay but also, after all that work to finally put it to rest, can we not start that fight again
2988koâ™ix 	
2989Ok
2990É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
2991Yeah sorry guys lol like I didn't want a fight and I thought things would calm down but then it seemed like noodle kept trying to instigate one but
2992É¢Ê€á´€á´›Ê€á´á´„ÊŸá´œs 	
2993I'm also not sorry I decided you know what, go for it
2994nipple dippers 	
2995this plurk is fascinating
2996ÐºÎ¹â„“â„“Ñ”Ñ qÏ…Ñ”Ñ”Î· â˜  	
2997yeah sorry i started shit, that's on me