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3WES BALL: And here we are,
4the final journey.
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8T.S. NOWLIN: Indeed.
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12Hello, everybody. This is Wes Ball.
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16Sitting next to me
17is T.S. Nowlin, writer.
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21NOWLIN: Hello.
22JOE HARTWICK JR.: Hmm. T.S.
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26BALL: And producer, Joe Hartwick Jr.
27HARTWICK JR.: Hmm.
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31BALL: I think I've never said
32"Junior" before.
33
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36NOWLIN: Yeah, it's weird.
37BALL: It's true.
38
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41BALL: I just have
42your email in my head.
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46(HARTWICK JR. CHUCKLES)
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50NOWLIN: So, here we are,
51doing the last movie...
52
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55Commentary for the last movie.
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59BALL: The opening.
60You should talk about that.
61
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64NOWLIN: We had a different opening,
65I think, at first, right?
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69- It was the...
70- BALL: There's different versions
71
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74but it always centered around a train.
75(LAUGHING) Remember?
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79NOWLIN: No, no, yeah,
80but I mean like the very beginning,
81
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84there was the idea of opening
85on a microscopic view of the virus,
86
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89it was a title card sort of thing.
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93BALL: Yeah, sure.
94No, actually originally,
95
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98I wanted to open up
99on a solar flare, remember?
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103- That was...
104- NOWLIN: Well, that was before we had...
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108BALL: That was the original version.
109
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112That I wanted to open up
113on the title on a solar flare.
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117I had this really cool design
118and set it up and it just didn't work,
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122and then I started doing
123this virus thing.
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127It was about the virus,
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131and at one of our test screenings,
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135someone complained
136about how silly it looked.
137
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140And so I lost my nerve and we cut it out
141and just went straight into this,
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145which is cool, opening up on the ruins.
146
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149But this basic opening
150was, I think, always kind of the idea.
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154NOWLIN: It was always the idea.
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158BALL: We were gonna just be thrown into
159this sort of rescue attempt.
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163NOWLIN: Yeah, I think, as soon as we
164knew the ending of the second movie,
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168that it was gonna end with
169Minho getting taken
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173and the group deciding
174that they were gonna stop running
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178and fight back against WICKED.
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182It was always the idea
183that we would be...
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187With the time jump opening up
188with a mission already in progress.
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192BALL: Yeah, I had two things in my mind.
193It was Return of the Jedi
194
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197- and Last Crusade. (LAUGHS)
198- NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm. Right.
199
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202BALL: Last Crusade,
203obviously the train thing,
204
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207but Return of the Jedi was that whole...
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211That first little chunk of the movie
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215really isn't connected
216to the rest of the story.
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220It's just it's own thing.
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224And it is about rescuing.
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228In that case Han Solo
229and here it was ours about Minho.
230
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233And I thought it was cool
234
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237'cause that
238right in the very first three minutes
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242you knew what this movie was about,
243which was about rescuing Minho.
244
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247Of course, it evolves
248into being much more than that,
249
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252but it was just
253a good, simple, I think, device.
254
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257And I think fans were always
258ticked off with us on the last movie
259
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262for stealing Minho,
263
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266but I think we felt like we needed it,
267even in the second one,
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271to give this movie stakes.
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275NOWLIN: Right. Well, there was a point
276before the second movie came out
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280where we had
281a couple of drafts of the script
282
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285where we actually did rescue Minho
286earlier in the story
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290and he rejoined the group.
291
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294And it was like an early instinct
295I think you had
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299that they can't get Minho.
300
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303They can succeed in the mission
304and get a bunch of kids
305
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308and there are gonna be familiar faces
309like Aris and Sonya,
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313but if they don't have Minho,
314if he's in the city,
315
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318that's the emotional hook.
319
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322That's what's driving them together.
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326BALL: It's a very powerful carrot
327to dangle in front of our characters.
328
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331NOWLIN: Right.
332BALL: Yeah.
333
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336BALL: Nothing will stop them
337until that happens.
338
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341And after that happens
342you feel like everything's over
343
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346and I think we do a good job of,
347as soon as they get him, it's not over.
348
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351There's something else that comes next.
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355NOWLIN: Right. And there was
356a question, too, of like,
357
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360"Well, what are we gonna do with Minho
361
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364"if he's gonna be in captivity
365for a lot of the movie?"
366
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369And we started talking
370about Teresa's storyline
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374and the idea
375that she's not just experimenting
376
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379on nameless, faceless kids
380that we've never met,
381
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384but someone that we know and love
385and someone that arguably she knows.
386
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389And how does she justify that to herself
390and how does she justify that to him?
391
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394And it just started creating
395all these little opportunities
396
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399that felt like
400a lot of fun to play with.
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404HARTWICK JR.: Mmm-hmm.
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408BALL: So, the movie was all shot
409in South Africa.
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413HARTWICK JR.: Mmm-hmm.
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417BALL: This is in the Kalahari Desert.
418
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421Looks very much like an old Western.
422
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425I don't know,
426there's something cool about it.
427
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430I think early on, I don't know why
431a train always popped in my head.
432
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435It's just
436some kind of a cool vehicular...
437
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440Like an old Western,
441
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444except with horses, they have
445old beat-up trucks and vehicles,
446
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449as they attempt
450to basically steal a train car.
451
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454And this also came about partly from
455in The Death Cure when they're escaping.
456
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459I think one of the differences is
460
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463they wind up back with WICKED
464in the second book,
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468at the end of the second book.
469
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472And in the third book
473
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476they have this escape
477from WICKED headquarters or something.
478
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481And they steal a Berg,
482Jorge steals a Berg
483
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486and we still incorporated that
487into this sequence. But...
488
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491NOWLIN: We also felt
492like we did that sequence
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496at the beginning of Scorch Trials.
497
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500That was how we launched
501into that journey.
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505BALL: Something else worth mentioning
506here, and just on a technical level,
507
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510this stuff is... Almost every one
511of these moving vehicle shots is CG.
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515That's all CG.
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519Every one of these shots with the train,
520
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523except for some of the second-unit stuff
524is a CG environment,
525
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528which Weta did a good job on.
529
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532NOWLIN: Looks good.
533
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536(GRUNTING)
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540Shit!
541
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544Let's go!
545
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548Hey! Berg!
549
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552PILOT: Zero-one-niner, be advised.
553You've taken on boarders at the rear.
554
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557We're engaging the truck now.
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561BALL: There's only one shot,
562or two shots in here I think
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566that we actually used from Vancouver
567
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570when we first started
571and the rest of it's all re-shot.
572
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575Like all that, all those explosions,
576those are all CG.
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580That wasn't really there.
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584Weta did a good job with that, too,
585I thought.
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589HARTWICK JR.: Yeah,
590they did do a really good job.
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594NOWLIN: But remember, you did...
595Some of those were practical, right?
596
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599BALL: That's real.
600Yeah, only that one's real,
601
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604but you can tell
605it doesn't look quite the same.
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609NOWLIN: It doesn't
610look as good as the CG?
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614BALL: Not as big. (LAUGHS)
615NOWLIN: Yeah. Bigger.
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619BALL: But it was a good sequence.
620It's long.
621
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624It's a super long cold open basically.
625
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628It's a 10-minute-long open of...
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632Thrown in the middle of a rescue attempt
633
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636and you get to meet
637all the characters again,
638
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641and it was kinda fun
642to come up with this thing.
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646NOWLIN: I think it's all little...
647It's all fun I think.
648
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651I think what's interesting, too,
652is comparing it
653
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656to the way the first two movies opened,
657
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660because the first two movies
661are really about
662
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665putting the audience
666in Thomas' point of view,
667
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670putting them in his shoes.
671
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674He's completely disoriented, thrown into
675a world he doesn't understand
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679and here you see that they've...
680They know their place in the world.
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684They've evolved
685into this kind of tactical position.
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689BALL: Yeah, exactly. I think
690
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693it's really setting up
694the rest of the movie, I thought,
695
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698was like all these characters
699are capable but limited.
700
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703You know what I mean?
704They work together as a team,
705
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708they can do pretty accomplished things
709
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712and you saw some of these things
713
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716being set up in the earlier movies
717is their capabilities,
718
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721but now they're working
722as a unit together.
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726I thought it was cool.
727
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730Get down! Get down!
731
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734Vince?
735
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738We're set! Cover your ass!
739
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742GUARD: Go, go, go!
743
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746VINCE: Take cover!
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750BALL: And they steal a train.
751
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754So like all these shots,
755they're all on a green screen,
756
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759you know, parking lot basically.
760
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763We shot it in daylight cause
764that was very important VFX wise.
765
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768A lot of the big problems...
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772Like Dylan there is on green screen
773
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776and the other train was shot
777for real actually in the background.
778
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781That's a real train obviously.
782
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785And we actually really did separate
786the trains while it was moving.
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790That was our train we had
791for what, like a week?
792
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795NOWLIN: A week, yeah.
796
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799BALL: It was our train
800and our tracks to use for
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804however long we wanted.
805
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808And it was cool.
809
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812We had our own train to run around on.
813
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816NOWLIN: And that was the difference
817
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820between Vancouver
821and South Africa, right?
822
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825Like, you didn't have tracks
826in Vancouver.
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830BALL: Yeah, we didn't have tracks.
831HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
832
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835BALL: We had to build 200 freight tracks
836and tried to make them work.
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840HARTWICK JR.: Yeah,
841this wound up being better.
842
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845BALL: This stuff, we did shoot all this.
846
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849This whole sequence here,
850we actually did shoot this in Vancouver,
851
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854but we couldn't use it
855because it was so different,
856
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859so we had to reshoot it all.
860
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863So all this is still...
864All this is new stuff,
865
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868but it's all pretty close.
869
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872If I were to compare frames
873from Vancouver to this stuff,
874
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877it's pretty close.
878
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881It's maybe a little bit more
882efficient I guess
883
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886- in terms of what we got.
887- HARTWICK JR.: Hmm.
888
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891But still... I could have spent another
892two days on this stuff out here,
893
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896but we ended up cutting up
897a lot of stuff in this,
898
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901in this sequence.
902
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905But I think at one point
906it was 18 minutes long
907
908197
90900:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,715
910and now it's 11 minutes
911or something like that.
912
913198
91400:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,274
915So this stuff, like here,
916more technical stuff I guess,
917
918199
91900:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,472
920but there it is being towed on a truck.
921
922200
92300:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,312
924And the guys aren't really driving,
925
926201
92700:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,233
928but that is real backgrounds and stuff.
929
930202
93100:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,352
932And all of this stuff here
933
934203
93500:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,910
936is all one little ranch basically
937in the desert,
938
939204
94000:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,158
941we found all these different locations
942for this opening sequence.
943
944205
94500:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,390
946So it was right on the corner,
947so right around that little ridge
948
949206
95000:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,359
951was where we'd do
952some of the train tracks stuff
953
954207
95500:08:08,440 --> 00:08:14,152
956and bouncing around for five days
957shooting all this stuff basically.
958
959208
96000:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,877
961Stop right there. Don't move.
962
963209
96400:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,390
965I said freeze, asshole!
966
967210
96800:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,039
969Whatever you say, hermano.
970
971211
97200:08:33,320 --> 00:08:34,958
973NOWLIN: I just
974like watching Giancarlo here.
975
976212
97700:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,437
978BALL: Yeah, Giancarlo's fun.
979
980213
98100:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,034
982Yeah, it was fun to come back
983and do all this stuff,
984
985214
98600:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,713
987and the locations were cool.
988
989215
99000:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,757
991Probably cooler than
992what we had in Vancouver actually.
993
994216
99500:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,878
996Just the look and feel of it
997is very desert, you know?
998
999217
100000:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,350
1001- Old West.
1002- NOWLIN: It's kinda good that
1003
1004218
100500:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,158
1006you're opening with the environment
1007of the second movie
1008
1009219
101000:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,791
1011before we start venturing out into
1012a completely new terrain.
1013
1014220
101500:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,314
1016BALL: It's pretty much
1017like we did in the second one, too.
1018
1019221
102000:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,277
1021I think end of the first one
1022
1023222
102400:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,829
1025we opened up into the Scorch,
1026and you kinda tease that world.
1027
1028223
102900:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,949
1030And then we start right back
1031where we left off in the second one
1032
1033224
103400:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,758
1035and kind of pull back further
1036
1037225
103800:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,799
1039on that world of the Scorch
1040and the desert and all that stuff.
1041
1042226
104300:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,678
1044And then we kinda finish it here
1045
1046227
104700:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,718
1048and then start setting off
1049towards the city,
1050
1051228
105200:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,758
1053which is like a big player in the books.
1054
1055229
105600:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,833
1057NOWLIN: I think that was one of the
1058first things we talked about in the book
1059
1060230
106100:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,116
1062is the idea that a lot of the action
1063was centered around a city
1064
1065231
106600:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,396
1067and that's something that
1068we haven't seen in the movies.
1069
1070232
107100:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,515
1072BALL: Yeah, a new stage.
1073
1074233
107500:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,557
1076NOWLIN: And you had an instinct early on
1077that it had to be a discovery.
1078
1079234
108000:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,835
1081It couldn't be something
1082that we just cut to
1083
1084235
108500:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,115
1086- as if it was no big deal.
1087- BALL: Yeah.
1088
1089236
109000:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,271
1091NOWLIN: It was
1092so different from the ruins
1093
1094237
109500:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,714
1096that we had seen in the Scorch.
1097
1098238
109900:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,269
1100It's a reveal to the audience
1101and it should be the characters as well,
1102
1103239
110400:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,112
1105but there is a place like this
1106
1107240
110800:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,952
1109that is protected
1110and that exists in the world.
1111
1112241
111300:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,670
1114BALL: Yeah, hopefully it just kind of
1115expands on the universe of these movies
1116
1117242
111800:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,513
1119where you've got these giant mazes
1120with robot spiders and...
1121
1122243
112300:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,590
1124NOWLIN: Right.
1125
1126244
112700:09:50,680 --> 00:09:51,750
1128BALL: You know, destroyed civilization
1129
1130245
113100:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,071
1132and you got one last city
1133that's kind of...
1134
1135246
113600:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,234
1137I think that the big design thing there
1138was trying to make sure that that city
1139
1140247
114100:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,231
1142still felt like
1143it belonged in our world,
1144
1145248
114600:10:01,320 --> 00:10:02,594
1147so that's why we kind of designed it
1148
1149249
115000:10:02,680 --> 00:10:04,318
1151very much like the maze
1152in the first movie.
1153
1154250
115500:10:04,400 --> 00:10:05,674
1156NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
1157
1158251
115900:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,478
1160Yeah, it needs to feel
1161a little bit like a homecoming.
1162
1163252
116400:10:07,560 --> 00:10:09,471
1165It needs to feel like
1166you're going back to
1167
1168253
116900:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,758
1170where it started,
1171to the same sort of environment.
1172
1173254
117400:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,553
1175But at the same time
1176I think it's fun that...
1177
1178255
117900:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,519
1180It's a hard thing with a story
1181that's so interconnected and serialized,
1182
1183256
118400:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,319
1185that builds off each other
1186from 1 into 2, and 2 into 3,
1187
1188257
118900:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,155
1190that the movies are also distinct
1191and that they have their own identity
1192
1193258
119400:10:23,600 --> 00:10:24,590
1195and their own palette.
1196
1197259
119800:10:24,680 --> 00:10:25,875
1199- Like we always talked about looking...
1200- BALL: I always liked that...
1201
1202260
120300:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,234
1204NOWLIN: The box...
1205BALL: Yeah, the posters, you know?
1206
1207261
120800:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,799
1209NOWLIN: Like the boxed set, yeah.
1210BALL: Each one's so different.
1211
1212262
121300:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,951
1214NOWLIN: Like the green and the concrete
1215of Maze Runner
1216
1217263
121800:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,599
1219and the orange and the desert of Scorch,
1220
1221264
122200:10:32,680 --> 00:10:36,116
1223and then the kind of Blade Runner
1224sort of world of Death Cure.
1225
1226265
122700:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,998
1228BALL: Yeah, it's cool.
1229
1230266
123100:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,673
1232And I don't know,
1233
1234267
123500:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,352
1236I'm really happy we got to do that
1237
1238268
123900:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,317
1240because I just don't know if
1241I could just keep doing the same thing
1242
1243269
124400:10:46,400 --> 00:10:47,674
1245over and over again for each movie.
1246
1247270
124800:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,079
1249It's fun that we got to explore
1250different things in all these movies.
1251
1252271
125300:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,071
1254NOWLIN: Well, it's funny, people say
1255"Oh, I like the maze in the first one.
1256
1257272
125800:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,150
1259"Bring the maze back."
1260
1261273
126200:10:54,240 --> 00:10:55,560
1263I'm like, "All right, well,
1264what do you want us to do in here?"
1265
1266274
126700:10:55,640 --> 00:10:56,630
1268BALL: Yeah, what do you do differently?
1269
1270275
127100:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,512
1272- Well then, you get silence because...
1273- BALL: Yeah.
1274
1275276
127600:10:58,600 --> 00:10:59,590
1277NOWLIN: There's nothing else to do.
1278
1279277
128000:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,233
1281And it wasn't just about the maze.
1282
1283278
128400:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,197
1285It was about the mystery of
1286who gets to go back to what's outside.
1287
1288279
128900:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,918
1290BALL: You don't go back to the maze
1291in the books either really, except...
1292
1293280
129400:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,354
1295- They kinda do at the end, but...
1296- BALL: Yeah.
1297
1298281
129900:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,149
1300BALL: But it's...
1301
1302282
130300:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,039
1304The maze only is effective
1305as long as there's mystery around it.
1306
1307283
130800:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,158
1309And as soon as
1310you pull that out, it's...
1311
1312284
131300:11:16,520 --> 00:11:17,794
1314- NOWLIN: You can't rebottle the ketchup.
1315- Exactly.
1316
1317285
131800:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,076
1319BALL: It's not very interesting anymore.
1320
1321286
132200:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,274
1323Like it's another thing here, too.
1324
1325287
132600:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,395
1327That's a giant drone shot.
1328
1329288
133000:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,791
1331I do a ton of drone footage
1332or drone shots in this movie this time.
1333
1334289
133500:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,110
1336It's the first time
1337we actually used that.
1338
1339290
134000:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,316
1341HARTWICK JR.: Yeah, that's true.
1342BALL: It's a really cool tool,
1343
1344291
134500:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,960
1346where it's not really a helicopter shot,
1347not really a crane shot.
1348
1349292
135000:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,030
1351It's kind of in between.
1352
1353293
135400:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,349
1355And that wasn't always the case, too,
1356
1357294
135800:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,954
1359putting the title
1360in the middle after that.
1361
1362295
136300:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,236
1364Originally we had it in the beginning,
1365
1366296
136700:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,312
1368but it just felt like it
1369separated that opening
1370
1371297
137200:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,279
1373from the rest of the movie
1374in a cool way.
1375
1376298
137700:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,239
1378And also it followed
1379what we've done in the previous movies
1380
1381299
138200:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,030
1383where we have this little
1384throw-the-audience-in cold open,
1385
1386300
138700:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,916
1388and then, the movie begins
1389after that opening.
1390
1391301
139200:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,673
1393Same thing with
1394Thomas coming up in the box
1395
1396302
139700:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,549
1398and then Thomas and the group
1399being brought into that
1400
1401303
140200:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,473
1403in the second movie,
1404into the bunker, you know?
1405
1406304
140700:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,633
1408So it kinda fit with us I guess.
1409
1410305
141100:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,317
1412Just in this case it's a 10-minute
1413little cold open that we have to watch.
1414
1415306
141600:12:14,760 --> 00:12:15,750
1417Hopefully you enjoy it.
1418
1419307
142000:12:15,880 --> 00:12:16,995
1421NOWLIN: People might not realize
1422it's 10 minutes watching it.
1423
1424308
142500:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,835
1426BALL: It's a very fast scene.
1427HARTWICK JR.: Yeah, for sure it's fast.
1428
1429309
143000:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,673
1431BALL: And I remember John's score,
1432
1433310
143400:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,434
1435that was a really tough one to get
1436'cause it's a solid score.
1437
1438311
143900:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,193
1440It's a real battle between
1441sound and music there.
1442
1443312
144400:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,315
1445I think they did a good job.
1446
1447313
144800:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,152
1449HARTWICK JR.: That was a cool location.
1450
1451314
145200:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,153
1453BALL: Yeah, another cool little spot
1454in South Africa.
1455
1456315
145700:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,958
1458- Saint Helen's Bay?
1459- HARTWICK JR.: Look at the... Yeah...
1460
1461316
146200:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,030
1463BALL: Was it Helena's Bay?
1464
1465317
146600:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,157
1467HARTWICK JR.: Yeah,
1468it was like an old lobster thing?
1469
1470318
147100:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,435
1472BALL: Yeah.
1473HARTWICK JR.: An old fish...
1474
1475319
147600:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,394
1477BALL: It was basically
1478in the middle of nowhere.
1479
1480320
148100:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,632
1482And it was just this building
1483that was just falling into the sea
1484
1485321
148600:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,360
1487and we obviously put all the boats in
1488
1489322
149000:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,670
1491but like that boat
1492behind Barry was not really there.
1493
1494323
149500:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,038
1496Surprisingly being in Cape Town
1497on the ocean,
1498
1499324
150000:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,670
1501there was no boats for us to use,
1502at least that we liked.
1503
1504325
150500:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,990
1506And so we had to just do it all CG.
1507
1508326
150900:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,070
1510Thought it worked out really well.
1511
1512327
151300:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,151
1514I think it's for the most part
1515pretty seamless.
1516
1517328
151800:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,834
1519Like you'd ever know that
1520that boat behind him is full CG.
1521
1522329
152300:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,036
1524He's actually just standing on
1525blue sky there.
1526
1527330
152800:13:09,480 --> 00:13:10,800
1529Well, I don't.
1530
1531331
153200:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,349
1533So in two days...
1534
1535332
153600:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,514
1537when we get
1538this tub of rust seaworthy...
1539
1540333
154100:13:16,680 --> 00:13:18,159
1542we're getting the hell outta here.
1543
1544334
154500:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,834
1546We're gonna go to a place
1547where WICKED will never find you.
1548
1549335
155000:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,911
1551BALL: And this is also kinda
1552bringing back the second movie, too.
1553
1554336
155500:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,915
1556You know, the idea of the safe haven
1557and that there is a place for them to go
1558
1559337
156000:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,152
1561and they have this chance to
1562basically be done with it all.
1563
1564338
156500:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,277
1566You could literally end the movie
1567right there if you want to.
1568
1569339
157000:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,919
1571If they all just got on that boat
1572and left.
1573
1574340
157500:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,519
1576They'd never have to
1577deal with this ever again,
1578
1579341
158000:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,274
1581but of course Thomas' character
1582and his friends,
1583
1584342
158500:13:40,320 --> 00:13:41,833
1586- they aren't done yet, you know?
1587- NOWLIN: Right.
1588
1589343
159000:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,115
1591NOWLIN: There was a little work
1592that kinda had to be done
1593
1594344
159500:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,909
1596because they had joined up essentially
1597with an army at end of the second movie.
1598
1599345
160000:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,229
1601But what you really want is to get to
1602
1603346
160400:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,197
1605your core group of characters
1606on a mission,
1607
1608347
160900:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,874
1610so the idea they've succeeded,
1611the mission is over,
1612
1613348
161400:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,759
1615but not for Thomas
1616because he doesn't have Minho yet.
1617
1618349
161900:13:55,840 --> 00:13:56,830
1620BALL: Yeah, and it centers it,
1621
1622350
162300:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,831
1624which I think this movie's
1625much more centered around character
1626
1627351
162800:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,515
1629and the emotional track of this movie
1630
1631352
163200:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,433
1633is stronger I think than
1634the last one for sure.
1635
1636353
163700:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,431
1638NOWLIN: Well, it's not as driven by
1639the question of
1640
1641354
164200:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,318
1643- what is this world?
1644- BALL: Plot.
1645
1646355
164700:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,515
1648NOWLIN: And why are they important?
1649
1650356
165100:14:10,600 --> 00:14:11,954
1652What Vince does in that previous scene
1653
1654357
165500:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,639
1656is pretty much a scene that we
1657
1658358
165900:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,518
1660never really let ourselves have
1661in the other movies,
1662
1663359
166400:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,830
1665which is laying out very clearly
1666
1667360
166800:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,520
1669the essential conflict
1670of the two different sides and...
1671
1672361
167300:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,399
1674BALL: And how like Thomas in particular
1675is kinda caught in the middle.
1676
1677362
167800:14:23,480 --> 00:14:24,834
1679NOWLIN: Yeah.
1680
1681363
168200:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,513
1683BALL: I always liked
1684how this stuff looked here.
1685
1686364
168700:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,273
1688It's really good-looking stuff.
1689
1690365
169100:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,431
1692Again, it's not a set,
1693we like locations,
1694
1695366
169600:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,194
1697so this is just one of those buildings
1698in that location
1699
1700367
170100:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,669
1702that we were shooting in and it just
1703has a great feel.
1704
1705368
170600:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,034
1707We did knock out some walls.
1708
1709369
171000:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,236
1711All that brick stuff back there,
1712but that texture was really there.
1713
1714370
171500:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,072
1716It was really a great place to be.
1717
1718371
171900:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,309
1720All I know is...
1721
1722372
172300:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,758
1724they kept talking about a city.
1725
1726373
172700:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,158
1728BALL: And we had
1729Nathalie and Kat come back.
1730
1731374
173200:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,230
1733HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
1734
1735375
173600:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,834
1737Well, it was a shame
1738we weren't able to get more of them in,
1739
1740376
174100:14:57,920 --> 00:14:58,990
1742- but it's just...
1743- BALL: Yeah, there's two things.
1744
1745377
174600:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,798
1747BALL: Remember
1748when we were in Vancouver,
1749
1750378
175100:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,115
1752someone wasn't available.
1753
1754379
175500:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,395
1756- It was like two days.
1757- NOWLIN: It was Nathalie, yeah.
1758
1759380
176000:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,470
1761BALL: We had two days with her,
1762
1763381
176400:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,550
1765so we had to kinda figure out
1766that in the script.
1767
1768382
176900:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,200
1770And then when we got back,
1771Kat was on another shoot.
1772
1773383
177400:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,475
1775- She was doing her TV show.
1776- HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
1777
1778384
177900:15:09,560 --> 00:15:10,595
1780BALL: So we had to really...
1781
1782385
178300:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,279
1784I think we had
1785a couple of days with them,
1786
1787386
178800:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,034
1789so we had to just make
1790what we had with them work.
1791
1792387
179300:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,269
1794HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
1795
1796388
179700:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,954
1798BALL: But I think they did a good job
1799and they went back.
1800
1801389
180200:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,599
1803NOWLIN: They at least have
1804a clear role in the story,
1805
1806390
180700:15:20,680 --> 00:15:21,670
1808but, I mean, I think when you get...
1809
1810391
181100:15:21,760 --> 00:15:22,909
1812BALL: That was the main thing I think.
1813NOWLIN: Yeah.
1814
1815392
181600:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,274
1817BALL: We didn't wanna find ourselves,
1818
1819393
182000:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,357
1821you know, I felt that a little bit
1822in the second movie
1823
1824394
182500:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,716
1826where we have so many characters
1827standing around that
1828
1829395
183000:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,677
1831it's all they're doing
1832is standing around.
1833
1834396
183500:15:30,760 --> 00:15:36,676
1836And it's hard to give everyone
1837some kind of dramatic, you know...
1838
1839397
184000:15:38,680 --> 00:15:39,829
1841- Agency in the story.
1842- NOWLIN: Right.
1843
1844398
184500:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,072
1846BALL: But this, we just wanted
1847to keep this very simple and focus on
1848
1849399
185000:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,073
1851rescuing Minho, and Thomas,
1852and the gang, you know?
1853
1854400
185500:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,435
1856So it works out, but...
1857
1858401
185900:15:47,520 --> 00:15:48,510
1860NOWLIN: It's also
1861a different type of movie,
1862
1863402
186400:15:48,600 --> 00:15:49,590
1865like in The Scorch Trials
1866
1867403
186800:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,239
1869it was a fugitive story,
1870they were on the run.
1871
1872404
187300:15:51,320 --> 00:15:52,390
1874And so we've talked about this,
1875
1876405
187700:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,118
1878the idea that is a shape for a story
1879
1880406
188100:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,430
1882where it's hard to explore the dynamics
1883
1884407
188500:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,591
1886of an ensemble of
1887seven or eight main characters
1888
1889408
189000:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,876
1891'cause the situations
1892just aren't varied enough.
1893
1894409
189500:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,314
1896But in a mission movie,
1897
1898410
189900:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,158
1900it's easy enough to
1901split them off and say that
1902
1903411
190400:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,959
1905everybody kinda has
1906their role in the mission.
1907
1908412
190900:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,997
1910With Nathalie and Kat,
1911
1912413
191300:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,072
1914and Jacob, who was I think a really
1915good addition in the second movie,
1916
1917414
191800:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,875
1919I think as soon as we decided that
1920Minho was not going to be on the train,
1921
1922415
192300:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,349
1924that he was gonna be in the city,
1925you wanted familiar faces,
1926
1927416
192800:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,511
1929which is Aris and Sonya on the train.
1930
1931417
193200:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,591
1933And that would have been
1934Nathalie's reason or Harriet's reason
1935
1936418
193700:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,877
1938forgoing on the mission with them,
1939as if her friends were in the city.
1940
1941419
194200:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,473
1943Otherwise she would just be in the shot.
1944
1945420
194600:16:27,560 --> 00:16:28,994
1947BALL: Right.
1948
1949421
195000:16:31,520 --> 00:16:32,749
1951HARTWICK JR.: It was a good scene.
1952
1953422
195400:16:33,800 --> 00:16:34,790
1955NOWLIN: But, yeah, I mean,
1956that's the hard thing.
1957
1958423
195900:16:34,880 --> 00:16:35,950
1960You get three movies deep here.
1961
1962424
196300:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,633
1964You got all this big ensemble
1965from the first movie.
1966
1967425
196800:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,119
1969BALL: It's a lot to wrap up.
1970HARTWICK JR.: Yeah, it is.
1971
1972426
197300:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,599
1974NOWLIN: You have all the new characters
1975in the second movie.
1976
1977427
197800:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,239
1979And I think if you just make a list
1980at the start of this
1981
1982428
198300:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,038
1984of all the characters we have
1985and the plot threads we have...
1986
1987429
198800:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,110
1989BALL: And service, yeah.
1990
1991430
199200:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,077
1993NOWLIN: And that's where it can
1994get away from you, you know?
1995
1996431
199700:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,117
1998Because you have all this business
1999you have to attend to,
2000
2001432
200200:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,350
2003questions that have to be answered,
2004threads that have to be addressed.
2005
2006433
200700:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,636
2008There was an earlier scene
2009with Jorge and Brenda
2010
2011434
201200:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,518
2013that's basically just to
2014remind the audience
2015
2016435
201700:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,513
2018that she got infected and that
2019she's living on borrowed time.
2020
2021436
202200:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,511
2023And there was an idea that
2024we sort of removed from there,
2025
2026437
202700:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,319
2028that because of that she's not planning
2029to go to the safe haven.
2030
2031438
203200:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,109
2033But you just have to find opportunities
2034to weave that into something like this.
2035
2036439
203700:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,077
2038'Cause we just wanna
2039tell a story, you know?
2040
2041440
204200:17:09,160 --> 00:17:10,912
2043You're not trying to do
2044franchise homework.
2045
2046441
204700:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,513
2048HARTWICK JR.: Right, right.
2049BALL: Right.
2050
2051442
205200:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,319
2053NOWLIN: But it was good
2054to make that list early on
2055
2056443
205700:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,118
2058of every question we wanted to answer
2059
2060444
206100:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,793
2062and every beat we wanted to hit
2063
2064445
206500:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,917
2066to really make sure that
2067we're wrapping up the story
2068
2069446
207000:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,071
2071because this is the finale,
2072the conclusion.
2073
2074447
207500:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,232
2076And then put that aside,
2077just try to tell a good story,
2078
2079448
208000:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,598
2081and then realize there's an opportunity
2082to tie that up or, you know?
2083
2084449
208500:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,669
2086BALL: I also think we probably said
2087
2088450
208900:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,912
2090we had at least a rough idea of
2091what we wanted this third one to be.
2092
2093451
209400:17:36,120 --> 00:17:37,440
2095- NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
2096- On the second one, we didn't,
2097
2098452
209900:17:37,520 --> 00:17:38,590
2100- on the first one...
2101- NOWLIN: No.
2102
2103453
210400:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,000
2105BALL: I mean,
2106we assumed there would be more,
2107
2108454
210900:17:40,120 --> 00:17:42,873
2110but had we known,
2111if we put a little bit more thought
2112
2113455
211400:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,874
2115into the second and third movie
2116during the first one,
2117
2118456
211900:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,477
2120we probably would have done this
2121a little differently
2122
2123457
212400:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,550
2125just to set ourselves up.
2126
2127458
212800:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,630
2129NOWLIN: Yeah, definitely.
2130We definitely...
2131
2132459
213300:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,472
2134BALL: And that would probably, honestly,
2135it would have been going
2136
2137460
213800:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,359
2139a little further away from the book
2140just because it...
2141
2142461
214300:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,919
2144And it's not to speak negatively
2145about the book at all,
2146
2147462
214800:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,832
2149but it's just difficult sometimes,
2150these books,
2151
2152463
215300:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,596
2154there's so much in them that
2155it's hard to put that all into a movie.
2156
2157464
215800:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,878
2159So you end up putting the narrative
2160in this kind of pretzel shape
2161
2162465
216300:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,758
2164to try to hit all the beats,
2165
2166466
216700:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,071
2168and it makes things kind of complicated
2169in terms of movie viewing.
2170
2171467
217200:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,629
2173NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
2174
2175468
217600:18:19,800 --> 00:18:20,870
2177BALL: But we always spent a lot of time
2178
2179469
218000:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,792
2181trying to keep as much
2182from the books as we can,
2183
2184470
218500:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,553
2186even in some form or fashion.
2187
2188471
218900:18:25,360 --> 00:18:27,670
2190Even if we changed something,
2191we tried to keep something in like that,
2192
2193472
219400:18:27,760 --> 00:18:28,830
2195for instance, stealing the Berg,
2196
2197473
219800:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,713
2199we still tried to keep that idea
2200and make it a part of the story.
2201
2202474
220300:18:31,800 --> 00:18:32,949
2204NOWLIN: Right.
2205
2206475
220700:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,998
2208BALL: Same thing with drones
2209and all these different little things
2210
2211476
221200:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,436
2213and the idea of guns
2214and the WICKED defenses
2215
2216477
221700:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,158
2218and things like that we'll see later.
2219
2220478
222100:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,117
2222We take it very seriously.
2223
2224479
222500:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,111
2226The book fans
2227are really important to us.
2228
2229480
223000:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,114
2231But sometimes we just have to focus
2232on the movie experience.
2233
2234481
223500:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,039
2236Again, CG boat back there.
2237
2238482
223900:18:54,120 --> 00:18:55,554
2240Obviously, all that stuff back there.
2241
2242483
224300:18:56,680 --> 00:18:57,715
2244I always liked this scene, too.
2245
2246484
224700:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,871
2248This is kinda to me like what...
2249
2250485
225100:18:59,960 --> 00:19:02,076
2252It's really the heart of the movie
2253in a way.
2254
2255486
225600:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,557
2257It's about these friends that are
2258willing to do anything for each other.
2259
2260487
226100:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,355
2262And that gets to the core
2263
2264488
226500:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,999
2266of what that first movie
2267I think it was all about,
2268
2269489
227000:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,675
2271that family coming together
2272and willing to die together
2273
2274490
227500:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,120
2276and that's this, you know?
2277
2278491
227900:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,074
2280And it's kinda fun that Newt gets to
2281have the surprises.
2282
2283492
228400:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,238
2285He knows Thomas so well,
2286he's waiting for them.
2287
2288493
228900:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,231
2290And then this little cool surprise,
2291which was I think...
2292
2293494
229400:19:21,320 --> 00:19:22,390
2295I think it was actually Gyula's idea,
2296
2297495
229800:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,077
2299the idea of Frypan sitting in there
2300and just opening the door for him.
2301
2302496
230300:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,231
2304I remember in Vancouver
2305we talked about this idea,
2306
2307497
230800:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,598
2309like, we had some other version
2310that revealed Frypan
2311
2312498
231300:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,637
2314and then he gave me that idea of
2315
2316499
231700:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,040
2318opening the door
2319and he's already sitting there.
2320
2321500
232200:19:38,120 --> 00:19:40,316
2323NOWLIN: Yeah, I think it was Frypan kind
2324of announcing himself into the scene
2325
2326501
232700:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,317
2328- or walking up like, "I'm here, too."
2329- BALL: Yeah, something like that.
2330
2331502
233200:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,437
2333BALL: It thought that was a funny.
2334It was a good visual gag though.
2335
2336503
233700:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,590
2338It's like, "Yeah, I'm gonna steal that."
2339
2340504
234100:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,796
2342It's something a little different
2343and then we ended up doing that...
2344
2345505
234600:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,359
2347NOWLIN: Well, what's nice about him
2348being motionless and just sitting there
2349
2350506
235100:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,589
2352already behind the wheel.
2353
2354507
235500:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,398
2356The tone of it is like,
2357"Of course I'm coming.
2358
2359508
236000:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,312
2361"Of course I'm coming.
2362You don't need to say anything."
2363
2364509
236500:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,549
2366BALL: You don't need to sit there,
2367have a big discussion.
2368
2369510
237000:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,630
2371NOWLIN: Right.
2372
2373511
237400:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,552
2375HARTWICK JR.: Our cow pasture.
2376BALL: So, yeah, this scene
2377
2378512
237900:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,119
2380I don't know, this scene actually
2381
2382513
238300:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,477
2384more or less came together
2385after Vancouver I think.
2386
2387514
238800:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,034
2389I remember we had some version of this,
2390
2391515
239200:20:07,120 --> 00:20:09,430
2393but it was after Vancouver
2394when we went to...
2395
2396516
239700:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,358
2398NOWLIN: I think you had a problem
2399finding a Glade in Vancouver.
2400
2401517
240200:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,232
2403BALL: Yeah, exactly,
2404so we were doing something else.
2405
2406518
240700:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,960
2408But in here, we went twice as big
2409
2410519
241100:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,553
2412- I think than we originally planned.
2413- NOWLIN: There were so many options.
2414
2415520
241600:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,789
2417NOWLIN: I remember location scouting
2418with you guys.
2419
2420521
242100:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,473
2422- There were so many Glade options.
2423- BALL: Yeah.
2424
2425522
242600:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,358
2427BALL: But no matter what, we felt...
2428
2429523
243000:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,398
2431I felt it was really important to
2432see this image again of
2433
2434524
243500:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,198
2436someone in the maze with the walls.
2437
2438525
243900:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,750
2440I thought that was
2441a really cool kinda throwback.
2442
2443526
244400:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,354
2445I always felt like
2446they would put this in the teaser
2447
2448527
244900:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,192
2450and people would say, "Oh, my gosh,
2451we're going back to the maze," but...
2452
2453528
245400:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,634
2455NOWLIN: No, they did.
2456It's in the trailer.
2457
2458529
245900:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,074
2460BALL: Yeah, part of it.
2461
2462530
246300:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,433
2464Not the good part of it. (LAUGHS)
2465
2466531
246700:20:42,360 --> 00:20:43,555
2468But it was interesting.
2469
2470532
247100:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,439
2472This was the very first day
2473of shooting actually.
2474
2475533
247600:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,160
2477It was actually considered a pre-shoot,
2478which is not really an official shoot,
2479
2480534
248100:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,676
2482but we steal time and we shoot
2483two days early basically.
2484
2485535
248600:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,635
2487NOWLIN: You just did all the key...
2488
2489536
249000:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,280
2491You did like this, and then
2492the Griever stuff the first two days.
2493
2494537
249500:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,390
2496BALL: Yeah, those are the first two days
2497
2498538
249900:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,391
2500so all this stuff here
2501was done in a day.
2502
2503539
250400:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,590
2505Actually, about seven hours
2506or something.
2507
2508540
250900:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,079
2510We didn't really spend all day.
2511
2512541
251300:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,031
2514But it was fun to kind of revisit
2515
2516542
251700:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,119
2518the textures and aesthetic
2519of the first movie again, you know?
2520
2521543
252200:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,237
2523It was a weird feeling.
2524
2525544
252600:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,278
2527I remember Wyck called me,
2528'cause he didn't come to South Africa,
2529
2530545
253100:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,159
2532but he called
2533and he had watched the dailies,
2534
2535546
253600:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,677
2537and he said he felt this weird feeling
2538of seeing that imagery again, you know?
2539
2540547
254100:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,518
2542NOWLIN: Right.
2543BALL: It's cool. It's fun.
2544
2545548
254600:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,557
2547NOWLIN: Now, this actually,
2548I'm gonna tell a story about this.
2549
2550549
255100:21:27,680 --> 00:21:28,715
2552So we actually had...
2553
2554550
255500:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,518
2556And there was a part of
2557the opening dream sequence,
2558
2559551
256000:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,233
2561the memory in the beginning
2562of Scorch Trials.
2563
2564552
256500:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,072
2566We start with Thomas a young man.
2567
2568553
256900:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,037
2570As a little boy
2571getting handed over to WICKED,
2572
2573554
257400:21:36,120 --> 00:21:37,269
2575and then suddenly he's in the box.
2576
2577555
257800:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,038
2579And then we were gonna have
2580another little section...
2581
2582556
258300:21:39,120 --> 00:21:40,155
2584BALL: Yeah, him up top.
2585
2586557
258700:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,550
2588NOWLIN: He was gonna be in the Glade,
2589and that shot of Alby and Chuck
2590
2591558
259200:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,792
2593turning to him from the walls
2594was always a part of that script.
2595
2596559
259700:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,030
2598I think it was the same thing of
2599no Glade in Albuquerque.
2600
2601560
260200:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,195
2603BALL: Yeah.
2604
2605561
260600:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,953
2607NOWLIN: And so we finally got that.
2608BALL: And also it was a time thing,
2609
2610562
261100:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,070
2612we abandoned it.
2613
2614563
261500:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,754
2616NOWLIN: Actually, yeah, the pace of it
2617works better without it.
2618
2619564
262000:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,831
2621BALL: Yeah.
2622NOWLIN: That single rising crescendo.
2623
2624565
262500:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,191
2626BALL: That shot was really cool, too,
2627going into the hut
2628
2629566
263000:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,635
2631and it just kinda seamlessly transitions
2632into this tunnel.
2633
2634567
263500:22:03,120 --> 00:22:04,110
2636That was fun to do.
2637
2638568
263900:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,349
2640NOWLIN: This was something
2641you discovered later
2642
2643569
264400:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,475
2645was the idea of the doors,
2646
2647570
264800:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,757
2649almost like the doors of the maze
2650opening in the hallway.
2651
2652571
265300:22:09,840 --> 00:22:10,989
2654That wasn't in the script.
2655
2656572
265700:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,151
2658BALL: Yeah, originally,
2659it was just a long hallway
2660
2661573
266200:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,311
2663and it felt like we needed something.
2664
2665574
266600:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,960
2667And that imagery of the maze,
2668
2669575
267000:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,554
2671of those walls, those doors
2672were so iconic
2673
2674576
267500:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,075
2676that it'd be nice to include
2677that kind of concept.
2678
2679577
268000:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,150
2681NOWLIN: Yeah.
2682
2683578
268400:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,790
2685This feels like the first night
2686in the maze with Thomas.
2687
2688579
268900:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,791
2690BALL: It was different
2691'cause we never had fluorescent lights.
2692
2693580
269400:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,393
2695Again, we're starting to bring in
2696some of the world.
2697
2698581
269900:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,269
2700If you notice, the color schemes of this
2701are the same color schemes of the world
2702
2703582
270400:22:34,360 --> 00:22:38,319
2705that we're gonna see him in
2706when he's dreaming in that lab set.
2707
2708583
270900:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,598
2710So, there's super bright greens
2711and these cool blues.
2712
2713584
271400:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,871
2715It was cool to... It's the maze,
2716
2717585
271800:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,716
2719but it's more tech-based.
2720
2721586
272200:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,034
2723It was just a way to...
2724
2725587
272600:22:51,120 --> 00:22:54,272
2727Obviously, what we're getting
2728at here is that
2729
2730588
273100:22:54,360 --> 00:22:59,275
2732his dream is starting to fall apart
2733and become more his actual...
2734
2735589
273600:22:59,680 --> 00:23:05,631
2737Circumstances of being tied up
2738and tested on in this lab setting.
2739
2740590
274100:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,393
2742This was a cool shoot, too.
2743I love this shot.
2744
2745591
274600:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,470
2747We actually really did hang him up.
2748
2749592
275000:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,550
2751HARTWICK JR.:
2752We did that for real, yeah.
2753
2754593
275500:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,030
2756BALL: He was on a wire, basically,
2757and we just yanked him up.
2758
2759594
276000:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,279
2761He's using his strength to keep his arms
2762attached to the ceiling.
2763
2764595
276500:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,591
2766But he has a couple of wires there,
2767
2768596
276900:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,752
2770just yanked him up to the ceiling
2771and he really did it.
2772
2773597
277400:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,393
2775Gyula was up on an apple box
2776walking around up there.
2777
2778598
277900:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,749
2780(HARTWICK JR. CHUCKLES)
2781
2782599
278300:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,399
2784NOWLIN: Something I hope
2785you can clarify here.
2786
2787600
278800:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,391
2789- This is not a simulation.
2790- BALL: Yeah.
2791
2792601
279300:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,914
2794NOWLIN: This is an induced nightmare.
2795
2796602
279700:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,834
2798BALL: It's for whatever people want,
2799but I always thought, yeah,
2800
2801603
280200:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,799
2803it's not like they're projecting images
2804into his brain.
2805
2806604
280700:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,154
2808It's actually just
2809
2810605
281100:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,517
2812they're stimulating some part of
2813his brain that they needed to stimulate
2814
2815606
281600:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,671
2817which is kind of the mythology, I guess,
2818
2819607
282000:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,072
2821is that the brain is the important part
2822of finding a cure here.
2823
2824608
282500:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,399
2826That might be his own invention
2827in his mind, that world.
2828
2829609
283000:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,517
2831NOWLIN: But the idea is, yeah, you're
2832stimulating something in the brain
2833
2834610
283500:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,749
2836that produces the antibodies
2837
2838611
283900:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,831
2840that are separated from the blood,
2841which we thought we...
2842
2843612
284400:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,110
2845We had tried to be a little more subtle
2846in communicating that
2847
2848613
284900:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,111
2850in the second movie
2851with the hanging bodies.
2852
2853614
285400:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,431
2855Here now, we realized
2856you need to see it happen,
2857
2858615
285900:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,954
2860- that someone needs to say...
2861- BALL: Say it.
2862
2863616
286400:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,235
2865NOWLIN: "Not as effective as the maze,
2866
2867617
286800:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,469
2869"but it seems to be working."
2870
2871618
287200:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,959
2873BALL: Hit it on the nose
2874and be done with it.
2875
2876619
287700:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,350
2878- It is what it is, but...
2879- NOWLIN: It is what it is, but yeah.
2880
2881620
288200:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,317
2883BALL: I think people can go back
2884and look at the second movie
2885
2886621
288700:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,073
2888and they'll see, "Oh, this all lines up.
2889
2890622
289100:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,673
2892- "It still is the same stuff."
2893- NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
2894
2895623
289600:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,037
2897BALL: It might be more clear now
2898when they watch that movie,
2899
2900624
290100:24:25,120 --> 00:24:26,872
2902that we don't really
2903hold your hand as much.
2904
2905625
290600:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,951
2907'Cause maybe we should have,
2908but, you know...
2909
2910626
291100:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,475
2912NOWLIN: Something that's really
2913satisfying for me watching this movie
2914
2915627
291600:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,597
2917is the kind of organic way
2918you get to re-introduce
2919
2920628
292100:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,239
2922all of these characters
2923throughout the story,
2924
2925629
292600:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,197
2927like the way Teresa comes in,
2928the way Ava comes in.
2929
2930630
293100:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,270
2932BALL: Without dialogue,
2933which I think is fun.
2934
2935631
293600:24:38,360 --> 00:24:39,395
2937NOWLIN: Without dialogue.
2938
2939632
294000:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,709
2941- Yeah. It's the storytelling.
2942- BALL: Visual storytelling.
2943
2944633
294500:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,790
2946NOWLIN: And we've never
2947done this before.
2948
2949634
295000:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,951
2951We've never really cut away
2952from Thomas in these movies.
2953
2954635
295500:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,917
2956We've never shown
2957multiple points of view.
2958
2959636
296000:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,719
2961Even just the way you open
2962with these big overview shots
2963
2964637
296500:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,956
2966of the Scorch and the ruins,
2967
2968638
296900:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,433
2970it was much more, it's subjective,
2971the word I guess.
2972
2973639
297400:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,191
2975Just subtly preparing the audience
2976for something
2977
2978640
297900:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,750
2980that feels very structurally, tonally
2981different from the other two movies.
2982
2983641
298400:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,470
2985BALL: It also comes
2986to just being a bigger movie.
2987
2988642
298900:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,759
2990It's like, part of that first movie
2991was all a singular point of view.
2992
2993643
299400:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,910
2995I liked that.
2996
2997644
299800:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,877
2999I liked the intimacy of that movie,
3000
3001645
300200:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,598
3003but we just couldn't
3004do that again this time.
3005
3006646
300700:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,036
3008So it needed to be bigger
3009and finish off in a big way.
3010
3011647
301200:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,514
3013- This was a cool location, too.
3014- HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
3015
3016648
301700:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,195
3018BALL: There was a ton of great locations
3019in this country.
3020
3021649
302200:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,795
3023Right to the right of that building,
3024
3025650
302600:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,669
3027there is actually a freeway or a highway
3028that goes underneath the mountain.
3029
3030651
303100:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,277
3032This is a giant seven-kilometer long
3033service tunnel
3034
3035652
303600:25:33,360 --> 00:25:37,194
3037that goes along for emergency access
3038to the main highway in there.
3039
3040653
304100:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,751
3042I had Weta go and create
3043in that wide shot
3044
3045654
304600:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,150
3047a lot of destruction and stuff
3048on the building itself,
3049
3050655
305100:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,594
3052but that building was really there.
3053
3054656
305500:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,559
3056It's a good example of real footage
3057
3058657
305900:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,439
3060that's been extended
3061and enhanced digitally
3062
3063658
306400:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,591
3065instead of just being a full CG thing.
3066
3067659
306800:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,950
3069But it was cool. It was fun.
3070
3071660
307200:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,192
3073This was our first five days
3074of shooting,
3075
3076661
307700:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,759
3078or I think first three days,
3079
3080662
308100:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,797
3082and then we had
3083a couple of days on the weekend
3084
3085663
308600:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,200
3087to clean up some of the stuff.
3088
3089664
309000:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,315
3091HARTWICK JR.: That was a tough location.
3092
3093665
309400:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,515
3095It was so dusty in there.
3096
3097666
309800:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,034
3099It would really mess with your lights.
3100
3101667
310200:26:08,120 --> 00:26:09,952
3103BALL: Yeah, all the crews
3104would just suddenly drive in
3105
3106668
310700:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,395
3108and then, we'd be sitting there
3109for 10, 20 minutes
3110
3111669
311200:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,199
3113just waiting for the dust
3114to clear out of the tunnel.
3115
3116670
311700:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,834
3118NOWLIN: This was another scene
3119that I think changed
3120
3121671
312200:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,797
3123when we changed
3124from Vancouver to Cape Town.
3125
3126672
312700:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,553
3128BALL: Yeah. It got way bigger.
3129NOWLIN: It got way bigger,
3130
3131673
313200:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,909
3133but also, there were
3134no tunnels like this.
3135
3136674
313700:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,718
3138I think we had a sequence
3139that was more on a bridge.
3140
3141675
314200:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,711
3143HARTWICK JR.: Yeah, it was on a bridge
3144with some stalled-out cars and stuff.
3145
3146676
314700:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,279
3148BALL: Honestly, it was kinda weak.
3149
3150677
315100:26:27,360 --> 00:26:28,350
3152It wasn't very interesting,
3153
3154678
315500:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,550
3156but that's when we found this location.
3157
3158679
315900:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,200
3160We just, "Okay, yeah,
3161we have to do something here."
3162
3163680
316400:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,478
3165We wrote this scene
3166to take place in here,
3167
3168681
316900:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,039
3170just come up with a cool little...
3171
3172682
317300:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,509
3174We needed to, again,
3175remind people of the Cranks.
3176
3177683
317800:26:40,600 --> 00:26:41,920
3179There was a conscious effort this time
3180
3181684
318200:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,718
3183for us to not make Cranks
3184just monsters this time.
3185
3186685
318700:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,837
3188They were actually human beings
3189that were infected.
3190
3191686
319200:26:45,920 --> 00:26:46,910
3193NOWLIN: It was always the plan, right?
3194
3195687
319600:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,758
3197It was always the plan
3198that we would see them as monsters
3199
3200688
320100:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,956
3202and then we would see them
3203as infected patients.
3204
3205689
320600:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,839
3207BALL: Then we started to see...
3208And that ties us into Teresa's story
3209
3210690
321100:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,480
3212and how she views the Cranks,
3213these monsters,
3214
3215691
321600:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,278
3217that we witnessed in the second movie.
3218
3219692
322000:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,510
3221The whole goal is to set up
3222why WICKED's doing this
3223
3224693
322500:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,395
3226and blur that line
3227between good and evil again, right?
3228
3229694
323000:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,638
3231Make it gray, that maybe
3232you would agree with the fact
3233
3234695
323500:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,916
3236that maybe it's worth
3237breaking a few eggs
3238
3239696
324000:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,798
3241to make an omelet kinda thing.
3242(CHUCKLES)
3243
3244697
324500:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,996
3246NOWLIN: Yeah. That ties into the...
3247
3248698
324900:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,354
3250- (EXHALES SHARPLY) That's good.
3251- (BALL LAUGHS)
3252
3253699
325400:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,437
3255NOWLIN: That ties into
3256what we were talking about,
3257
3258700
325900:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,875
3260the structure of incorporating
3261multiple points of view.
3262
3263701
326400:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,315
3265It actually works thematically
3266to what this movie's about,
3267
3268702
326900:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,550
3270which is that it's not all
3271black and white, good and evil.
3272
3273703
327400:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,916
3275BALL: Which was honestly why we changed,
3276a little bit, Teresa's betrayal.
3277
3278704
327900:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,158
3280We made it have real teeth,
3281like she really did do something bad,
3282
3283705
328400:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,355
3285because of her views.
3286
3287706
328800:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,310
3289NOWLIN: Dashner's books are all about
3290that kind of ambiguity,
3291
3292707
329300:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,950
3294and that's why he keeps repeating,
3295"WICKED is good, WICKED is good."
3296
3297708
329800:27:40,120 --> 00:27:44,273
3299And so, you know you need to give
3300a voice to WICKED's side of the story,
3301
3302709
330300:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,590
3304and it's easier to do that
3305through a character like Teresa.
3306
3307710
330800:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,909
3309BALL: That you know.
3310NOWLIN: That you know,
3311
3312711
331300:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,274
3314as opposed to
3315a remote authority figure...
3316
3317712
331800:27:49,360 --> 00:27:50,953
3319BALL: And hopefully care about.
3320
3321713
332200:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,553
3323NOWLIN: ...like an Ava or a Janson.
3324
3325714
332600:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,789
3327Like it wouldn't work as well.
3328
3329715
333000:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,598
3331It was also important to see the Cranks
3332
3333716
333400:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,910
3335the way we saw them
3336in Scorch Trials here
3337
3338717
333900:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,991
3340before we get to the stuff
3341with Teresa later
3342
3343718
334400:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,277
3345where we see them a little earlier
3346and it's a little girl and she's scared.
3347
3348719
334900:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,271
3350BALL: But even here,
3351they're not quite as far gone
3352
3353720
335400:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,839
3355as we saw in the second movie,
3356
3357721
335800:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,194
3359- which was straight-up horror.
3360- NOWLIN: Right.
3361
3362722
336300:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,315
3364BALL: This is more like...
3365
3366723
336700:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,913
3368That lady that bangs on the door
3369was a great actress.
3370
3371724
337200:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,030
3373NOWLIN: She's desperate.
3374
3375725
337600:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,795
3377BALL: She's a real person who's scared,
3378but, in fact, that's scary.
3379
3380726
338100:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,513
3382NOWLIN: This might be
3383my favorite shot in the movie.
3384
3385727
338600:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,719
3387BALL: So this shot was actually
3388an accident, which is fantastic.
3389
3390728
339100:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,395
3392Originally, the plan was for the car
3393just to flip over on its side
3394
3395729
339600:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,676
3397and I had this whole thing
3398about how they were gonna
3399
3400730
340100:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,354
3402crawl, punch out,
3403or kick out the sunroof and climb out.
3404
3405731
340600:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,956
3407So, we did a couple of practice takes
3408and got close
3409
3410732
341100:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,030
3412and we did this take,
3413
3414733
341500:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,350
3416we had to leave,
3417it was almost time to go.
3418
3419734
342000:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,030
3421The cargoes.
3422
3423735
342400:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,509
3425We set up the shot
3426and the car flips over
3427
3428736
342900:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,194
3430and it rolls over
3431and everyone held their breath.
3432
3433737
343400:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,157
3435"Oh, my gosh."
3436Someone was about to call, "Cut."
3437
3438738
343900:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,117
3440I said, "Don't! Don't call cut!"
3441
3442739
344300:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,679
3444I said, "Is everyone okay?
3445
3446740
344700:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,319
3448"Move your flashlights around.
3449
3450741
345100:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,755
3452"Take the camera, start pushing in.
3453Slow, slow, slow.
3454
3455742
345600:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,558
3457"Okay, go in. Okay, now, cut."
3458
3459743
346000:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,870
3461It was this great little happy accident
3462
3463744
346400:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,840
3465that turned into a great, great shot
3466that's all in-camera.
3467
3468745
346900:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,957
3470There's nothing CG about it.
3471
3472746
347300:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,190
3474You'll see that there's a person
3475in there that you see...
3476
3477747
347800:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,032
3479If you turn the frame upside down,
3480it's actually the stunt double.
3481
3482748
348300:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,155
3484It's not Dylan.
3485
3486749
348700:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,310
3488NOWLIN: That's my favorite part
3489of the shot.
3490
3491750
349200:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,118
3493- You see the truck roll over.
3494- BALL: Yeah, you see people in there.
3495
3496751
349700:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,874
3498NOWLIN: The pull back becomes a push in
3499and there's someone in there,
3500
3501752
350200:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,473
3503- and they're acting!
3504- BALL: Right.
3505
3506753
350700:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,153
3508NOWLIN: It's pretty horrific.
3509I don't know.
3510
3511754
351200:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,514
3513(ALL CHUCKLE)
3514
3515755
351600:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,198
3517- Come on!
3518- Hold on!
3519
3520756
352100:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,399
3522- Frypan gotta go! Come on!
3523- Wait!
3524
3525757
352600:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,470
3527Come on!
3528
3529758
353000:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,314
3531BALL: This is the most Scorch Trials-y
3532scene in the movie, I think really.
3533
3534759
353500:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,677
3536NOWLIN: But we get it out of the way in
3537the first half hour or wherever we are.
3538
3539760
354000:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,239
3541BALL: It also serves the story.
3542
3543761
354400:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,712
3545It's setting up the issue that we're
3546about to be faced with, of the infected.
3547
3548762
354900:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,912
3550Also, it brings Jorge and Brenda
3551back into the scene.
3552
3553763
355400:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,719
3555NOWLIN: You need them to bail them out.
3556I like the idea, yeah, it's...
3557
3558764
355900:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,915
3560There's something a little cavalier.
3561
3562765
356300:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,150
3564"The three of us, we're gonna go
3565and take on WICKED."
3566
3567766
356800:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,913
3569BALL: Let them get in over their heads
3570a little bit.
3571
3572767
357300:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,559
3574NOWLIN: Giancarlo has this...
3575BALL: You're lucky to have friends...
3576
3577768
357800:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,837
3579NOWLIN: "I'm impressed you made it
3580a day," and it's kind of a funny line.
3581
3582769
358300:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,073
3584But yeah, so there's more to...
3585
3586770
358700:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,350
3588(SIGHS) I remember... We tried to do
3589so much with Brenda,
3590
3591771
359200:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,115
3593the idea that because she's infected,
3594and she's gonna turn eventually
3595
3596772
359700:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,560
3598if she's not going to the safe haven,
3599
3600773
360100:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,109
3602we had an idea in the script
3603that Thomas didn't know that.
3604
3605774
360600:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,953
3607So when Thomas leaves Brenda,
3608he's not just abandoning her.
3609
3610775
361100:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,354
3612He's leaving because he assumes
3613
3614776
361500:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,829
3616that she's gonna go to the safe haven
3617with everyone else.
3618
3619777
362000:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,519
3621That part, I think, would've worked.
3622
3623778
362400:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,796
3625The problem is then you have to do...
3626
3627779
362800:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,072
3629Thomas has to find out
3630and then he has to confront her.
3631
3632780
363300:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,639
3634You don't really feel
3635a ticking clock here.
3636
3637781
363800:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,149
3639You don't really feel like
3640they're trying to get Minho back
3641
3642782
364300:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,709
3644with enough time to get back to the boat
3645and get to the safe haven.
3646
3647783
364800:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,791
3649They're just trying to get Minho back.
3650
3651784
365200:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,793
3653That's why it's such a decision
3654for them to leave earlier.
3655
3656785
365700:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,712
3658They're walking away from paradise.
3659
3660786
366100:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,632
3662BALL: Those hills back there are all CG.
3663
3664787
366500:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,600
3666It's actually the same entrance
3667they went into the first time.
3668
3669788
367000:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,671
3671They just replaced the background.
3672
3673789
367400:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,229
3675This was the only entrance
3676or exit we had.
3677
3678790
367900:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,469
3680NOWLIN: This was day one, wasn't it?
3681
3682791
368300:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,312
3684BALL: This was official day one.
3685HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
3686
3687792
368800:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,593
3689BALL: Ugh, I hate shooting...
3690
3691793
369200:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,992
3693I mean, I certainly love
3694the look of real car stuff,
3695
3696794
369700:31:02,040 --> 00:31:08,355
3698but it's so hellish shooting this stuff
3699on a real moving car,
3700
3701795
370200:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,635
3703and it's just slow, so slow.
3704
3705796
370600:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,353
3707It's painful, but it's worth it,
3708I think, visually.
3709
3710797
371100:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,230
3712You've always seen
3713those fake process shots,
3714
3715798
371600:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,958
3717they're on green screen.
3718
3719799
372000:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,314
3721It just never works.
3722
3723800
372400:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,434
3725That's actually Jorge.
3726He really did drive that.
3727
3728801
372900:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,751
3730That rock, if you see there,
3731it's actually his mark to try to hit.
3732
3733802
373400:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,719
3735He really did all that several times.
3736
3737803
373800:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,318
3739You've probably seen
3740a couple of times now
3741
3742804
374300:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,189
3744where I do a lot of
3745long shots this time.
3746
3747805
374800:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,675
3749I wanted to...
3750
3751806
375200:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,235
3753Something... As a filmmaker,
3754I hate being forced into coverage.
3755
3756807
375700:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,190
3758It feels like almost like
3759a TV show where it's like
3760
3761808
376200:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,716
3763close-up, close-up, wide master,
3764you know, that kind of stuff.
3765
3766809
376700:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,193
3768I like letting an audience sink in
3769
3770810
377100:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,239
3772and see the close-ups
3773when it really, really mattered.
3774
3775811
377600:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,510
3777It's hard to do sometimes
3778when you're shooting a movie
3779
3780812
378100:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,479
3782because you're looking at
3783a little tiny monitor on set
3784
3785813
378600:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,278
3787and so you wanna get closer.
3788
3789814
379000:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,115
3791But on a big giant screen,
3792that is a close-up right there.
3793
3794815
379500:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,114
3796You can read everything on his face
3797that you need to read.
3798
3799816
380000:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,237
3801So, I tried to make it
3802a conscious effort this time
3803
3804817
380500:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,640
3806to just be a little more cinematic
3807
3808818
380900:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,953
3810and a little bit bigger
3811aesthetically this time,
3812
3813819
381400:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,269
3815which I like personally.
3816
3817820
381800:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,389
3819I think it has a good flow to it.
3820
3821821
382200:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,630
3823It's really simple shots.
3824There's nothing crazy.
3825
3826822
382700:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,471
3828Everyone doesn't need their own shot,
3829
3830823
383100:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,318
3832their own coverage,
3833you know what I mean?
3834
3835824
383600:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,993
3837NOWLIN: I like that.
3838You write in the script
3839
3840825
384100:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,354
3842these little moments between characters
3843
3844826
384500:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,993
3846and you just let it play out
3847in the frame
3848
3849827
385000:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,675
3851rather than like rack focus to Brenda,
3852then reaction, then close-up.
3853
3854828
385500:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,750
3856BALL: Right.
3857
3858829
385900:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,393
3860We still shoot lot of that stuff.
3861
3862830
386300:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,039
3864I just don't end up using it.
3865
3866831
386700:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,639
3868Here, you can see
3869the design of the city.
3870
3871832
387200:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,475
3873It was very much, if you saw
3874the last shot of The Maze Runner,
3875
3876833
387700:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,073
3878it's very similar in design
3879
3880834
388100:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,913
3882in terms of the walls
3883and the structure of it.
3884
3885835
388600:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,994
3887So, it has that echo of the first movie.
3888
3889836
389000:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,239
3891I think it was cool to meet Teresa
3892in this new world,
3893
3894837
389500:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,436
3896a way we've never really
3897seen her before.
3898
3899838
390000:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,150
3901I think that first scene also
3902with her and Minho being tested on,
3903
3904839
390500:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,031
3906I think it was a great little thing
3907where you see her having...
3908
3909840
391000:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,035
3911Maybe it's regret? Maybe it's doubts?
3912
3913841
391400:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,760
3915It's like she's not just,
3916"I'm evil now,"
3917
3918842
391900:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,433
3920or, "I'm with the bad guys now."
3921
3922843
392300:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,718
3924She's still doing what she believes
3925is right, but it does affect her.
3926
3927844
392800:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,110
3929It's this little look right here
3930when she sees his picture,
3931
3932845
393300:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,989
3934she's obviously
3935reflecting on what she's done.
3936
3937846
393800:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,913
3939I think that's the cool thing about
3940her character is that she did it anyway.
3941
3942847
394300:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,990
3944NOWLIN: Yeah, she's torn, but...
3945
3946848
394700:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,400
3948BALL: She did
3949what she thought was right.
3950
3951849
395200:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,518
3953Whether we agree with that or not,
3954I think there's something that...
3955
3956850
395700:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,953
3958Something cool about that.
3959
3960851
396100:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,038
3962NOWLIN: That's why it was important
3963that she had this scene,
3964
3965852
396600:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,952
3967that she had a mission-statement moment.
3968
3969853
397000:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,316
3971Like, this is why
3972we're doing what we're doing.
3973
3974854
397500:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,109
3976Oh, there's James by the way.
3977
3978855
397900:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,510
3980BALL: There's James Dashner, author.
3981
3982856
398300:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,994
3984NOWLIN: Actually, there's consistency.
3985
3986857
398700:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,195
3988He played the board member
3989in the first movie.
3990
3991858
399200:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,112
3993BALL: He was in the first movie
3994in the boardroom, yeah.
3995
3996859
399700:34:15,240 --> 00:34:16,469
3998- Here he is again.
3999- NOWLIN: Yeah.
4000
4001860
400200:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,709
4003NOWLIN: Now there's many less.
4004
4005861
400600:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,757
4007so we assume that
4008it's gotten worse out in the world.
4009
4010862
401100:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,353
4012We're gonna put a skeleton
4013in one of the chairs.
4014
4015863
401600:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,555
4017- BALL: Only three board members remain.
4018- (ALL LAUGHING)
4019
4020864
402100:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,439
4022NOWLIN: Just a skeleton
4023in one of the board chairs.
4024
4025865
402600:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,200
4027That was Harold.
4028
4029866
403000:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,315
4031He didn't make it.
4032
4033867
403400:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,795
4035Two thousand?
4036
4037868
403800:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,037
4039And that's assuming
4040your protected areas...
4041
4042869
404300:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,395
4044stay protected...
4045
4046870
404700:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,514
4048which we know they won't.
4049
4050871
405100:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,160
4052BALL: Yeah, it was good
4053to give Kaya a scene.
4054
4055872
405600:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,995
4057Like you said, a statement of
4058what she believes essentially.
4059
4060873
406100:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,798
4062Again, it's also setting up
4063
4064874
406500:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,998
4066what we tried to start telling
4067in the second movie,
4068
4069875
407000:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,789
4071was the story of WICKED's search
4072for a cure to the virus.
4073
4074876
407500:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,759
4076And that's why the maze,
4077why the kids have been rounded up,
4078
4079877
408000:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,751
4081why the immunes, all that stuff.
4082
4083878
408400:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,229
4085And hopefully now, we're just
4086giving clarity out to all that,
4087
4088879
408900:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,355
4090that if it wasn't there,
4091
4092880
409300:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,354
4094hopefully it's concrete enough now
4095to let go of that
4096
4097881
409800:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,477
4099and just enjoy the experience
4100and the ride of this adventure.
4101
4102882
410300:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,880
4104NOWLIN: I'll admit,
4105I was a little surprised
4106
4107883
410800:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,229
4109when the second movie came out
4110
4111884
411200:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,756
4113that people, even fans, weren't
4114a little bit more understanding
4115
4116885
411700:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,359
4118of Teresa and why she did what she did
4119
4120886
412100:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,909
4122'cause I thought Kaya was so good
4123in the betrayal scene.
4124
4125887
412600:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,152
4127She tells the story about her mother
4128who died of this virus.
4129
4130888
413100:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,670
4132But it's a generational thing,
4133where the younger audiences,
4134
4135889
413600:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,274
4137they're... I don't know what's the word.
4138
4139890
414000:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,792
4141Tribalists. They're about their squad,
4142their group.
4143
4144891
414500:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,033
4146The worst crime you can commit
4147is to betray your group, your friends.
4148
4149892
415000:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,671
4151I think what this movie's about,
4152it's kind of...
4153
4154893
415500:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,909
4156That's part of the appeal of the series.
4157
4158894
415900:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,516
4160It's not about just a Katniss
4161or a single hero raising the army.
4162
4163895
416400:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,590
4165It's about a group.
4166
4167896
416800:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,159
4169This movie's an argument against that
4170
4171897
417200:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,913
4173saying that you also
4174have to think for yourself
4175
4176898
417700:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,599
4178and make your own decisions.
4179
4180899
418100:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,394
4182BALL: And also it's like...
4183HARTWICK JR.: That's all CG.
4184
4185900
418600:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,153
4187BALL: Yeah, all the city's CG, yeah.
4188
4189901
419000:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,994
4191Again, one long shot here. (CHUCKLES)
4192
4193902
419400:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,469
4195It's the only way
4196to really shoot this scene to be honest.
4197
4198903
419900:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,996
4200But also it's, I think,
4201along the lines of Teresa.
4202
4203904
420400:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,912
4205It's like there's nothing much...
4206
4207905
420800:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,797
4209Redemption stories are really fun.
4210
4211906
421200:36:10,880 --> 00:36:11,995
4213(CHUCKLES) They're fun to watch.
4214
4215907
421600:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,514
4217And hopefully... We have no idea
4218
4219908
422000:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,114
4221because the movie hasn't come out yet
4222while we're recording this.
4223
4224909
422500:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,354
4226Hopefully, the people that maybe
4227were against Teresa vehemently
4228
4229910
423000:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,430
4231in the start of this movie,
4232
4233911
423400:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,319
4235hopefully they're won over
4236a little bit by the end.
4237
4238912
423900:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,758
4240I mean, at least if nothing else,
4241even if they don't agree with her,
4242
4243913
424400:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,835
4245can appreciate her stance on it,
4246and, obviously, her sacrifice,
4247
4248914
424900:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,157
4250which I think was necessary narratively,
4251
4252915
425300:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,354
4254but hopefully earned it.
4255
4256916
425700:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,955
4258HARTWICK JR.: The abattoir.
4259
4260917
426100:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,589
4262BALL: Yeah, this was a really cool
4263abandoned meatpacking area or something.
4264
4265918
426600:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,159
4267HARTWICK JR.: Slaughterhouse.
4268BALL: Yeah, slaughterhouse.
4269
4270919
427100:36:48,240 --> 00:36:49,230
4272HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
4273
4274920
427500:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,554
4276BALL: This is the most extras
4277I've ever had,
4278
4279921
428000:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,710
4281like 400 extras or something.
4282
4283922
428400:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,790
4285It's huge.
4286
4287923
428800:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,310
4289NOWLIN: I always like that throw from,
4290"I hope you're right,"
4291
4292924
429300:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,152
4294down to, "What's outside the walls?"
4295
4296925
429700:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,714
4298BALL: Yeah, again, that's
4299what was fun about this stuff, too,
4300
4301926
430200:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,074
4303- is the transitions.
4304- NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
4305
4306927
430700:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,434
4308It's like she's talking about Thomas.
4309
4310928
431100:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,229
4312She's looking out at the world
4313and what they're fighting against.
4314
4315929
431600:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,676
4317And then you cut down to it,
4318body bags of infected people,
4319
4320930
432100:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,277
4322and you also see this intro
4323of the group that are...
4324
4325931
432600:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,352
4327They're not a Right Arm Glader group.
4328They're not WICKED.
4329
4330932
433100:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,193
4332They're someone else on the other side,
4333the far extreme.
4334
4335933
433600:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,873
4337So it's interesting that our characters
4338
4339934
434000:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,997
4341are caught in the middle
4342of these two forces,
4343
4344935
434500:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,199
4346the people outside
4347that are just angry and scared,
4348
4349936
435000:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,033
4351and then WICKED on the inside
4352that are just probably as scared, too.
4353
4354937
435500:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,599
4356NOWLIN: There's no bad guys
4357in the story, really.
4358
4359938
436000:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,909
4361Other than Janson, speaking of which...
4362
4363939
436400:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,911
4365BALL: Janson's the true villain,
4366which is fun.
4367
4368940
436900:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,435
4370NOWLIN: But what makes him
4371the villain honestly, this is a spoiler,
4372
4373941
437400:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,796
4375but he's a sick guy
4376who wants to make sure
4377
4378942
437900:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,279
4380he always has his medicine.
4381
4382943
438300:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,350
4384That's not all that evil.
4385
4386944
438700:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,875
4388BALL: I always thought that boils down
4389to selfless versus selfish,
4390
4391945
439200:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,950
4393- you know what I mean?
4394- NOWLIN: Yeah.
4395
4396946
439700:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,038
4398BALL: That's really what
4399this movie stems from.
4400
4401947
440200:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,350
4403NOWLIN: And Janson, I think,
4404
4405948
440600:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,590
4407he fundamentally
4408just misunderstands Teresa,
4409
4410949
441100:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,796
4412- like, he thinks that she is like him.
4413- BALL: Right.
4414
4415950
441600:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,911
4417NOWLIN: That she made a decision
4418for her own survival.
4419
4420951
442100:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,753
4422She was joining the winning side
4423of a conflict.
4424
4425952
442600:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,798
4427But she was thinking about the world.
4428
4429953
443000:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,389
4431She was putting the needs of others
4432over her own desires, I guess.
4433
4434954
443500:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,751
4436HARTWICK JR.:
4437Which is why you see her turn later
4438
4439955
444000:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,195
4441when he's talking about,
4442"Tough choices will have to be made."
4443
4444956
444500:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,429
4446NOWLIN: He misjudges her.
4447
4448957
444900:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,113
4450I think that moment in the elevator.
4451
4452958
445300:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,270
4454We're getting ahead of it now.
4455
4456959
445700:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,954
4458BALL: Another one of the biggest
4459green screens we've ever had.
4460
4461960
446200:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,316
4463- We had this huge, really cool location.
4464- HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
4465
4466961
446700:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,390
4468BALL: That's real,
4469
4470962
447100:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,915
4472except for on the left,
4473those buildings are CG,
4474
4475963
447600:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,917
4477but that main structure is real.
4478
4479964
448000:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,236
4481We had this gigantic green screen
4482in front of them.
4483
4484965
448500:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,473
4486So, the background's all real,
4487and the foreground stuff is all CG.
4488
4489966
449000:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,756
4491Set up those gates and the wall.
4492
4493967
449400:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,312
4495I asked Aidan once,
4496"It's fun playing a villain, right?"
4497
4498968
449900:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,630
4500He just smiled at me
4501and he said, "Of course, it is."
4502
4503969
450400:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,909
4505(ALL CHUCKLE)
4506
4507970
450800:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,630
4509It is fun though to watch him
4510'cause he does do it well.
4511
4512971
451300:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,155
4514We needed someone good to root against,
4515you know what I mean?
4516
4517972
451800:39:01,240 --> 00:39:03,993
4519'Cause so much of the movie,
4520Ava, Teresa,
4521
4522973
452300:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,596
4524they're painted in a way that
4525it's not easy to hate them.
4526
4527974
452800:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,114
4529NOWLIN: Right.
4530BALL: You disagree with them possibly.
4531
4532975
453300:39:09,240 --> 00:39:13,711
4534BALL: We needed someone to really just
4535wanna and get what's coming to them.
4536
4537976
453800:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,790
4539NOWLIN: I think
4540that's something we knew,
4541
4542977
454300:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,837
4544you mentioned this before,
4545the idea of planning ahead.
4546
4547978
454800:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,309
4549I think we knew in the second movie
4550with introducing Janson
4551
4552979
455300:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,720
4554that he was gonna be the main villain,
4555
4556980
455700:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,952
4558and that ultimately, we had with Ava
4559this character that we...
4560
4561981
456200:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,075
4563BALL: An adversary.
4564
4565982
456600:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,232
4567NOWLIN: We had... We would hold her up
4568as the typical corporate,
4569
4570983
457100:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,596
4572- ice-queen kind of villain...
4573- BALL: Yeah.
4574
4575984
457600:39:30,720 --> 00:39:32,791
4577NOWLIN: ...but always with the intention
4578of eventually subverting her.
4579
4580985
458100:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,757
4582BALL: Yeah, we were gonna let her hair
4583down, which you see in this movie.
4584
4585986
458600:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,035
4587BALL: Her hair's down this time.
4588NOWLIN: Right.
4589
4590987
459100:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,190
4592BALL: We meet her first
4593with her hair up...
4594
4595988
459600:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,270
4597NOWLIN: Right.
4598
4599989
460000:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,873
4601BALL: ...but it's fun to...
4602
4603990
460400:39:39,960 --> 00:39:40,950
4605She's not the person you think she is.
4606
4607991
460800:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,269
4609NOWLIN: Peel back
4610the layers a little. Yeah.
4611
4612992
461300:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,073
4614We had a great scene at one point.
4615
4616993
461700:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,549
4618It was when the board meeting
4619was a different kind of moment.
4620
4621994
462200:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,630
4623It was later in the story.
4624
4625995
462600:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,189
4627but the idea of her
4628putting her armor on,
4629
4630996
463100:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,509
4632pulling the hair back,
4633
4634997
463500:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,559
4636becoming the Ava Paige that we know
4637from the first two movies.
4638
4639998
464000:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,356
4641Oh, that's cool,
4642that little body in there.
4643
4644999
464500:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,431
4646BALL: Yeah, that body's
4647actually a CG double.
4648
46491000
465000:40:00,520 --> 00:40:01,590
4651- It's not even there.
4652- NOWLIN: Of course it is.
4653
46541001
465500:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,717
4656BALL: Well, actually, in that shot
4657there, with the wide shot,
4658
46591002
466000:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,110
4661there's a lot of CG people
4662that you can't tell.
4663
46641003
466500:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,397
4666We did a lot of that in this movie.
4667I'll try and point them out as we go.
4668
46691004
467000:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,792
4671NOWLIN: "Gee, I wonder
4672why they're so upset."
4673
46741005
467500:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,870
4676- BALL: Yeah.
4677- (LAUGHTER)
4678
46791006
468000:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,315
4681That's the thing. He obviously
4682did something not good.
4683
46841007
468500:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,631
4686He's just stoking the fire
4687of the rebellion outside.
4688
46891008
469000:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,199
4691NOWLIN: But it was also
4692important to understand
4693
46941009
469500:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,317
4696why they couldn't go through there.
4697
46981010
469900:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,390
4700BALL: Right.
4701
47021011
470300:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,959
4704- Yeah, it's super important.
4705- NOWLIN: There's nothing we can do.
4706
47071012
470800:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,030
4709NOWLIN: Gally says it.
4710
47111013
471200:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,714
4713"There's nothing we can do
4714against those guns," which means
4715
47161014
471700:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,519
4718they need a way to get inside WICKED
4719and turn the guns off.
4720
47211015
472200:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,954
4723And Thomas can do that for them.
4724
47251016
472600:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,233
4727BALL: Yeah, I'm curious, when the shots
4728that we have of Gally and the mask,
4729
47301017
473100:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,550
4732- I'm curious how many people...
4733- NOWLIN: Yeah. "How obvious is it?"
4734
47351018
473600:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,517
4737BALL: I don't know.
4738I have a theory on it.
4739
47401019
474100:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,318
4742I think some people won't remember it.
4743
47441020
474500:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,595
4746I think some people, the big
4747die-hard fans, they know it's him.
4748
47491021
475000:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,836
4751And they actually enjoy
4752knowing that it's him
4753
47541022
475500:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,673
4756and waiting slowly for the...
4757This is a great shot.
4758
47591023
476000:40:58,760 --> 00:40:59,909
4761NOWLIN: Whoa! Where'd that come from?
4762
47631024
476400:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,718
4765BALL: This shot's really great.
4766
47671025
476800:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,991
4769It's full CG, which was great.
4770
47711026
477200:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,551
4773And it sets up that world
4774of these migrants essentially
4775
47761027
477700:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,632
4778that have come
4779to the outside of these walls
4780
47811028
478200:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,996
4783begging for mercy or for help.
4784
47851029
478600:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,190
4787They set up basically a shanty town
4788essentially on the outside.
4789
47901030
479100:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,794
4792They're just camped out
4793in a city that's been cut off,
4794
47951031
479600:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,393
4797which is really cool, that...
4798
47991032
480000:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,156
4801I was looking images of Brazil
4802going from rich city to just a line.
4803
48041033
480500:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,470
4806And suddenly,
4807it's just poor in the favelas.
4808
48091034
481000:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,439
4811I thought it was a cool contrast
4812of the state of the world.
4813
48141035
481500:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,511
4816NOWLIN: Driving around Cape Town
4817tells that story, too.
4818
48191036
482000:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,193
4821BALL: In terms
4822of my thing with Gally though
4823
48241037
482500:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,078
4826on our first test screening we did,
4827
48281038
482900:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,356
4830Gally got a huge reveal,
4831
48321039
483300:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,796
4834- I mean, a response to his reveal here.
4835- NOWLIN: Response. Yeah.
4836
48371040
483800:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,759
4839BALL: I think it's because
4840they were just waiting for it.
4841
48421041
484300:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,276
4844It's that famous definition of suspense
4845of knowing what's gonna happen
4846
48471042
484800:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,998
4849and waiting for it to happen, right?
4850
48511043
485200:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,400
4853You tell them the bomb's on the table...
4854
48551044
485600:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,790
4857You show them the bomb on the table
4858and they wait for it to go off.
4859
48601045
486100:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,440
4862So, I think there's this feeling of,
4863"When is he gonna show himself?
4864
48651046
486600:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,590
4867"When is he gonna show himself?"
4868
48691047
487000:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,149
4871So, when he finally does,
4872it's this big thing
4873
48741048
487500:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,311
4876- rather than it being just a surprise.
4877- NOWLIN: Right.
4878
48791049
488000:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,471
4881BALL: I think
4882it might work in our favor.
4883
48841050
488500:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,551
4886NOWLIN: I think you get away with it,
4887too, in terms of who remembers
4888
48891051
489000:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,869
4891because at this point,
4892
48931052
489400:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,634
4895your audience are people
4896who have followed you to this point.
4897
48981053
489900:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,400
4900- They've seen the first movie at least.
4901- BALL: Yeah, exactly.
4902
49031054
490400:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,914
4905BALL: At some level though,
4906
49071055
490800:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,640
4909this can't be a movie
4910that stands completely on its own.
4911
49121056
491300:42:21,720 --> 00:42:24,155
4914I mean, I think it still does.
4915You can still enjoy it and go with it,
4916
49171057
491800:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,995
4919but it does require a bit of knowledge
4920of the previous movies
4921
49221058
492300:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,673
4924to really fully enjoy it,
4925
49261059
492700:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,558
4928- to really appreciate it.
4929- NOWLIN: It's a different experience,
4930
49311060
493200:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,393
4933but I think we worked as hard
4934as we could to make the movie work,
4935
49361061
493700:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,517
4938especially knowing there'd be a big gap
4939between 2 and 3.
4940
49411062
494200:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,273
4943We did as much as we could, I think.
4944
49451063
494600:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,590
4947BALL: Yeah. And I think
4948if you'd never seen any of the movies,
4949
49501064
495100:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,751
4952we did do in our test screenings,
4953
49541065
495500:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,353
4956there were people
4957that had never seen the movies,
4958
49591066
496000:42:44,440 --> 00:42:45,839
4961and they fully enjoyed the movie.
4962
49631067
496400:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,639
4965In fact, some of them
4966rated it higher than the others.
4967
49681068
496900:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,033
4970So, I think going in knowing
4971that it's the third one
4972
49731069
497400:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,110
4975and you have to go with it,
4976
49771070
497800:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,793
4979but if you never knew anything,
4980
49811071
498200:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,633
4983"Oh, that's a guy that I guess
4984did them wrong somehow.
4985
49861072
498700:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,319
4988"They thought he was dead
4989and he's not. Okay."
4990
49911073
499200:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,357
4993That's all everybody
4994needs to know really.
4995
49961074
499700:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,710
4998- He's an old foe.
4999- NOWLIN: Right from the beginning,
5000
50011075
500200:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,438
5003like, "Okay, there's some...
5004They're trying to rob a train.
5005
50061076
500700:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,630
5008"Why? There're kids on the train.
5009
50101077
501100:43:05,720 --> 00:43:07,472
5012"They're chained up.
5013Oh, that's their friend.
5014
50151078
501600:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,278
5017"They're trying to save their friend
5018
50191079
502000:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,034
5021"because you're immune to a plague
5022wiping out the human race."
5023
50241080
502500:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,078
5026BALL: Yeah. You get the pieces you need
5027if you've never seen them before.
5028
50291081
503000:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,800
5031HARTWICK JR.: This Werdmuller building
5032was a tough place to shoot
5033
50341082
503500:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,915
5036'cause of sound.
5037
50381083
503900:43:19,000 --> 00:43:19,990
5040BALL: Yeah,
5041it's another cool location, too.
5042
50431084
504400:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,674
5045There's a giant street right outside.
5046
50471085
504800:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,871
5049It's just a ton of noise,
5050but the location is fantastic.
5051
50521086
505300:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,038
5054A lot of really good locations
5055in Cape Town we looked at.
5056
50571087
505800:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,110
5059It's good stuff.
5060
50611088
506200:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,998
5063NOWLIN: It's a good-looking movie.
5064BALL: Yeah, Gyula.
5065
50661089
506700:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,391
5068BALL: Gyula came back
5069to DP the third one again.
5070
50711090
507200:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,879
5073He did the second one.
5074
50751091
507600:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,798
5077He's kind of become my DP man.
5078
50791092
508000:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,194
5081We have very similar aesthetics,
5082
50831093
508400:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,875
5085and we really get each other really,
5086really well in terms of our style.
5087
50881094
508900:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,032
5090We both really like to sink into shots.
5091
50921095
509300:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,278
5094He's really good
5095at lighting, I think, too.
5096
50971096
509800:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,799
5099I think it really shows.
5100
51011097
510200:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,157
5103It is probably the best-looking movie,
5104I think, of the three.
5105
51061098
510700:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,269
5108After the maze, I got picked up
5109by a group headed to the city.
5110
51111099
511200:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,120
5113They realized I was immune,
5114patched me up...
5115
51161100
511700:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,510
5118and they brought me here to Lawrence.
5119
51201101
512100:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,035
5122This group's been at war with WICKED
5123
51241102
512500:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,555
5126ever since they
5127took control of the city.
5128
51291103
513000:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,790
5131BALL: This is, again,
5132setting up the idea that
5133
51341104
513500:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,918
5136there is another group
5137that we're introducing
5138
51391105
514000:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,312
5141in this universe of Maze Runner,
5142which is the angry mob, essentially,
5143
51441106
514500:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,320
5146- the have-nots, that we're setting up.
5147- NOWLIN: Right.
5148
51491107
515000:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,670
5151BALL: And Gally
5152has somehow fallen into them.
5153
51541108
515500:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,354
5156We try to fill in the blanks
5157a little bit with what Gally says,
5158
51591109
516000:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,195
5161but for the most part, it's for people
5162to make up for themselves,
5163
51641110
516500:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,954
5166but he obviously
5167found his way into this group.
5168
51691111
517000:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,275
5171NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
5172
51731112
517400:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,634
5175Well, it makes sense if he was immune.
5176
51771113
517800:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,473
5179I like the idea that he was
5180brought here as a commodity,
5181
51821114
518300:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,676
5184but instead, he was taken
5185under the wing of these people
5186
51871115
518800:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,239
5189because he was a fighter.
5190
51911116
519200:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,798
5193BALL: There's an element
5194of being exploited
5195
51961117
519700:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,917
5198the same way WICKED exploits the others.
5199
52001118
520100:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,598
5202Lawrence uses him to go
5203get inside the city to do his spying,
5204
52051119
520600:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,354
5207and as they figure out a way
5208to storm the castle,
5209
52101120
521100:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,232
5212look for their opportunity in.
5213
52141121
521500:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,469
5216Like here, he talks about the walls.
5217
52181122
521900:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,790
5220There's no way to get past those walls
5221with those guns,
5222
52231123
522400:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,359
5225but they're looking for an opportunity.
5226
52271124
522800:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,238
5229Thomas ended up being that thing.
5230
52311125
523200:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,072
5233- This is a cool thing.
5234- NOWLIN: Yeah.
5235
52361126
523700:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,355
5238NOWLIN: Rose took his nose?
5239
52401127
524100:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,512
5242BALL: My original concept
5243for him was gonna be
5244
52451128
524600:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,159
5247the Rose-took-my-nose character
5248in the second,
5249
52501129
525100:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,119
5252but everyone was mad
5253that I didn't incorporate...
5254
52551130
525600:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,998
5257I always had this idea
5258in the back of my mind
5259
52601131
526100:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,718
5262that we would do it in the third movie.
5263
52641132
526500:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,392
5266It would make him
5267a really cool character.
5268
52691133
527000:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,038
5271So, we got Walton Goggins to play it
5272and I was really worried about R.
5273
52741134
527500:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,838
5276So I actually didn't...
5277
52781135
527900:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,315
5280When we were shooting this,
5281
52821136
528300:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,438
5284I didn't think we were going to
5285be able to take off his nose.
5286
52871137
528800:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,869
5289But as we were going,
5290
52911138
529200:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,873
5293I had concept art drawn out
5294with him without a nose,
5295
52961139
529700:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,633
5298and he just looked so cool.
5299
53001140
530100:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,912
5302And so, we shot it as is
5303
53041141
530500:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,039
5306and we had all the makeup on the
5307right side of his face and everything.
5308
53091142
531000:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,310
5311I asked Weta, I said,
5312"Guys, what could you do?"
5313
53141143
531500:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,710
5316We didn't do any tracking markers,
5317no nothing.
5318
53191144
532000:46:15,120 --> 00:46:20,274
5321And they came back and showed me
5322what they would do to take off his nose,
5323
53241145
532500:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,510
5326- and it's fantastic work.
5327- NOWLIN: Yeah.
5328
53291146
533000:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,552
5331BALL: I mean, it looks totally real.
5332
53331147
533400:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,792
5335And the fact that
5336we didn't really shoot it safely,
5337
53381148
533900:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,713
5340thinking about markers and,
5341"We can't do that shot,"
5342
53431149
534400:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,713
5345it just has this feel
5346like we're shooting it
5347
53481150
534900:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,870
5350as if the character has no nose.
5351
53521151
535300:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,793
5354So, it has this really great
5355natural approach, I thought.
5356
53571152
535800:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,315
5359And the fact that Weta didn't have
5360any tracking markers or anything,
5361
53621153
536300:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,637
5364and they had to
5365rebuild his face practically
5366
53671154
536800:46:43,720 --> 00:46:47,634
5369and seamlessly take off his nose,
5370it was really, really great work.
5371
53721155
537300:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,599
5374And it looks really cool, too.
5375
53761156
537700:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,511
5378Obviously, it's a little throwback
5379to a character,
5380
53811157
538200:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,069
5383that for people that don't know,
5384
53851158
538600:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,312
5387Mr. Nose is from the second movie
5388who's gone a little bit crazy,
5389
53901159
539100:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,515
5392he's a little nuts,
5393
53941160
539500:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,989
5396and he keeps repeating,
5397"Rose got my nose, Rose got my nose."
5398
53991161
540000:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,071
5401That's why there's roses
5402in the background.
5403
54041162
540500:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,473
5406In the very beginning of the scene,
5407you can hear these little whisperings,
5408
54091163
541000:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,073
5411- these little mutterings of...
5412- NOWLIN: He's whispering it, yeah.
5413
54141164
541500:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,275
5416BALL: "Rose took my nose I suppose."
5417
54181165
541900:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,509
5420He's just gone a little crazy.
5421
54221166
542300:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,994
5424NOWLIN: That was always the fun idea
5425of this character,
5426
54271167
542800:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,640
5429- someone who's half mad, but half sharp.
5430- BALL: Yeah.
5431
54321168
543300:47:15,720 --> 00:47:17,518
5434NOWLIN: His eyes are different.
5435
54361169
543700:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,833
5438BALL: Yeah, he was that idea
5439we wanted in this movie.
5440
54411170
544200:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,797
5443We wanted to show a Crank
5444that's not monstrous this time
5445
54461171
544700:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,791
5448but is a real human being
5449that is suffering.
5450
54511172
545200:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,075
5453He was very much that.
5454
54551173
545600:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,150
5457He's the guy right in the middle.
5458
54591174
546000:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,714
5461He's half Crank, half human.
5462
54631175
546400:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,030
5465NOWLIN: Right. In the books,
5466they call it "you go past the gone."
5467
54681176
546900:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,310
5470There's a point
5471where you become more monstrous.
5472
54731177
547400:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,993
5475BALL: Yeah, and we see that
5476with Newt and all that stuff.
5477
54781178
547900:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,191
5480NOWLIN: Yeah, and I think
5481it was interesting to say
5482
54831179
548400:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,671
5485if there's a character
5486that is straddling that line.
5487
54881180
548900:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,398
5490But we couldn't do that
5491with the second movie
5492
54931181
549400:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,030
5495'cause, I think, we purposefully wanted
5496that to be a reveal in movie three,
5497
54981182
549900:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,839
5500- that they're not just monstrous.
5501- BALL: The different shades, yeah.
5502
55031183
550400:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,753
5505BALL: To keep
5506expanding on the depth of the...
5507
55081184
550900:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,672
5510NOWLIN: There's a lot of criticism
5511in the second movie,
5512
55131185
551400:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,795
5515like "They just turned them
5516into zombies."
5517
55181186
551900:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,349
5520I kept wanting to say,
5521"Wait, we're not done!
5522
55231187
552400:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,192
5525"The movie's... You're in the middle."
5526
55271188
552800:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,750
5529BALL: That is one thing
5530that's for right or wrong,
5531
55321189
553300:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,353
5534I don't see these movies as sequels.
5535
55361190
553700:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,671
5538I see them all as one story,
5539which I think is...
5540
55411191
554200:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,639
5543For the fans that have stuck with us
5544
55451192
554600:48:11,720 --> 00:48:14,109
5547and will continue
5548to revisit these movies,
5549
55501193
555100:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,909
5552it's gonna feel interesting to watch
5553all three movies as one saga
5554
55551194
555600:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,554
5557instead of just, "And another one,
5558and another one."
5559
55601195
556100:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,278
5562There are things
5563that are set up in the first movie
5564
55651196
556600:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,478
5567that aren't paid off until this movie,
5568or vice versa.
5569
55701197
557100:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,836
5572It's cool that we get to do
5573that kind of stuff.
5574
55751198
557600:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,149
5577For some ambitious people out there
5578that are gonna have a marathon,
5579
55801199
558100:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,359
5582it'll be a cool experience, I think,
5583to watch six hours of a story.
5584
55851200
558600:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,159
5587We're ready.
5588
55891201
559000:48:49,600 --> 00:48:50,749
5591BALL: Now, the virus.
5592
55931202
559400:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,839
5595It's probably one of our first views.
5596
55971203
559800:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,149
5599There's another scene we cut out
5600
56011204
560200:48:54,240 --> 00:48:58,473
5603where we really get to see
5604the hallways and the lab setting
5605
56061205
560700:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,119
5608that we have in this movie.
5609
56101206
561100:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,950
5612Which is cool.
5613It's a big giant set we built.
5614
56151207
561600:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,075
5617Dan Dorrance again returning
5618as a production designer
5619
56201208
562100:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,719
5622from the second movie.
5623
56241209
562500:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,591
5626Again, this was obviously
5627the thing of showing the...
5628
56291210
563000:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,154
5631NOWLIN: The humans side.
5632HARTWICK JR.: The state of the world.
5633
56341211
563500:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,311
5636NOWLIN: The face like a little girl
5637who's scared.
5638
56391212
564000:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,835
5641- And also for Teresa to be...
5642- BALL: The caretaker.
5643
56441213
564500:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,471
5646NOWLIN: To have a good bedside manner,
5647to be affectionate and caring.
5648
56491214
565000:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,757
5651BALL: This little girl,
5652we found her in South Africa.
5653
56541215
565500:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,035
5656HARTWICK JR.: Mmm-hmm.
5657
56581216
565900:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,316
5660Remember how we couldn't find
5661anybody in Vancouver?
5662
56631217
566400:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,438
5665BALL: She'd never acted
5666in anything before.
5667
56681218
566900:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,239
5670This was the first thing
5671she'd ever done.
5672
56731219
567400:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,392
5675NOWLIN: So, this was one of the big
5676steps forward we made with the script
5677
56781220
567900:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,437
5680between Vancouver and Cape Town
5681because in Vancouver,
5682
56831221
568400:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,272
5685we were asking too much
5686of this little girl.
5687
56881222
568900:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,757
5690We were asking her to get the injection,
5691
56921223
569300:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,310
5694to start to feel better,
5695and then to crank out, all in one scene.
5696
56971224
569800:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,390
5699I think we realized,
5700
57011225
570200:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,993
5703- "It'd be so much more effective..."
5704- BALL: Yeah, wait.
5705
57061226
570700:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,878
5708"...to let Teresa live
5709in that hope for a little bit."
5710
57111227
571200:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,394
5713When she goes to see Minho,
5714
57151228
571600:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,517
5717she's thinking they might have
5718found something.
5719
57201229
572100:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,951
5722And then, right when he attacks her,
5723you see this girl deteriorate.
5724
57251230
572600:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,314
5727The audience needs to feel that.
5728
57291231
573000:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,789
5731It can't just be,
5732"Oh, I guess they don't have a cure."
5733
57341232
573500:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,030
5736BALL: We need to let Teresa
5737live in the moment of,
5738
57391233
574000:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,190
5741"We've won" for a little bit.
5742
57431234
574400:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,396
5745- "We've found a cure."
5746- NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
5747
57481235
574900:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,637
5750BALL: Obviously,
5751all her eyes are made red.
5752
57531236
575400:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,311
5755Another thing you notice
5756is that when she opens her eyes,
5757
57581237
575900:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,710
5760you see the red slowly just disappear.
5761
57621238
576300:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,995
5764NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
5765
57661239
576700:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,998
5768BALL: The midpoint is basically
5769
57701240
577100:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,872
5772- when Thomas finally meets Teresa.
5773- NOWLIN: Kidnapped, yeah.
5774
57751241
577600:50:24,640 --> 00:50:25,869
5777BALL: Which is cool.
5778
57791242
578000:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,118
5781It's these two collision points
5782of the story, these narratives.
5783
57841243
578500:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,192
5786They're both talking about, or at least,
5787
57881244
578900:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,796
5790on different ends
5791of the spectrum of this one story,
5792
57931245
579400:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,678
5795and then they collide in the middle,
5796
57971246
579800:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,752
5799and then,
5800the story really jumps forward.
5801
58021247
580300:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,234
5804And missed, apparently.
5805
58061248
580700:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,231
5808The patrols never found a body.
5809
58101249
581100:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,552
5812Thomas is still out there.
5813
58141250
581500:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,512
5816What about her?
5817
58181251
581900:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,954
5820Does she know?
5821
58221252
582300:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,873
5824NOWLIN: It's fun to do scenes like this.
5825
58261253
582700:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,552
5828So many scenes in this movie that we
5829just couldn't have done in 1 or2.
5830
58311254
583200:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,029
5833BALL: Mmm-hmm. Yeah, it's a full movie,
5834that's for sure.
5835
58361255
583700:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,077
5838I mean, we went in going in
5839
58401256
584100:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,199
5842we were never gonna split the movie
5843into two parts like it's the trend.
5844
58451257
584600:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,191
5847We wanted it to have a good trilogy.
5848
58491258
585000:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,793
5851Beginning, middle, and end.
5852
58531259
585400:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,917
5855And that meant that
5856this movie had to be packed,
5857
58581260
585900:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,150
5860and there are a ton of scenes
5861that we cut out.
5862
58631261
586400:51:21,240 --> 00:51:26,314
5865There's actually a scene right before
5866this one of Gally and Thomas and Newt
5867
58681262
586900:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,073
5870breaking into an underground subway
5871
58721263
587300:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,959
5874and basically racing a train
5875that almost hits them,
5876
58771264
587800:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,155
5879a subway train.
5880
58811265
588200:51:32,240 --> 00:51:35,073
5883That was their first little adventure
5884before they got into the city.
5885
58861266
588700:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,151
5888NOWLIN: Which we had so many...
5889
58901267
589100:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,840
5892There were people who told us
5893that we were gonna cut it,
5894
58951268
589600:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,638
5897and I think
5898where we justified it was that
5899
59001269
590100:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,358
5902it had to be hard to get into the city.
5903
59041270
590500:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,794
5906BALL: I miss it still, for sure.
5907
59081271
590900:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,190
5910It's just, a two and a half hour movie,
5911
59121272
591300:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,590
5914we had to find time somewhere,
5915and it was a five-minute chunk.
5916
59171273
591800:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,194
5919And, and for the most part,
5920you don't question it too much,
5921
59221274
592300:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,600
5924but it is something I miss.
5925
59261275
592700:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,638
5928Hopefully, people will get to watch
5929either in deleted scenes
5930
59311276
593200:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,358
5933or hopefully as an extended movie.
5934
59351277
593600:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,078
5937I think that would be really fun
5938
59391278
594000:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,757
5941to really experience it
5942in its full, uncut form.
5943
59441279
594500:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,191
5946NOWLIN: I think it makes sense though,
5947too, the challenges of just
5948
59491280
595000:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,270
5951- getting into the city.
5952- HARTWICK JR.: Cool sets here.
5953
59541281
595500:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,318
5956NOWLIN: The challenge is getting
5957into WICKED and turning off those guns.
5958
59591282
596000:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,511
5961That's what Lawrence has to do.
5962
59631283
596400:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,671
5965BALL: That was Cape Town.
5966So a lot of those buildings are CG.
5967
59681284
596900:52:22,120 --> 00:52:27,194
5970But it's good work by Weta again
5971transforming this...
5972
59731285
597400:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,317
5975I don't know,
5976I wouldn't call it a modern city,
5977
59781286
597900:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,873
5980but a city into a real modern future.
5981
59821287
598300:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,155
5984NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
5985
59861288
598700:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,197
5988It's like, you've seen
5989the outside, you've seen the squalor
5990
59911289
599200:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,669
5993and the tightly-packed people
5994and the desperation,
5995
59961290
599700:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,559
5998and now, you come into this place
5999that's beautiful.
6000
60011291
600200:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,631
6003BALL: I just love
6004the color palette, too.
6005
60061292
600700:52:49,720 --> 00:52:54,191
6008This fluorescent, harsh, sodium vapor.
6009
60101293
601100:52:54,600 --> 00:52:55,590
6012It's a real city.
6013
60141294
601500:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,079
6016An urban adventure.
6017
60181295
601900:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,356
6020It's very similar to, think,
6021in the first movie,
6022
60231296
602400:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,229
6025to where Minho is taking Thomas
6026on a journey to the maze.
6027
60281297
602900:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,756
6030Here, Gally's doing the same thing
6031through a new kind of maze,
6032
60331298
603400:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,274
6035which I thought was a really cool thing,
6036
60371299
603800:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,830
6039and it happens right around
6040the same time in the first movie.
6041
60421300
604300:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,274
6044There's another scene
6045that was cut out here
6046
60471301
604800:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,430
6049where they actually end up on a freeway.
6050
60511302
605200:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,715
6053NOWLIN: Yeah,
6054it was a really good scene.
6055
60561303
605700:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,835
6058BALL: And they make a jump
6059
60601304
606100:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,991
6062from the freeway onto the wall,
6063which was cool,
6064
60651305
606600:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,354
6067but it was cut for time.
6068
60691306
607000:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,115
6071They're really giant shots.
6072
60731307
607400:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,759
6075This is another drone shot
6076
60771308
607800:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,277
6079we shot in a shipping yard
6080where boats are repaired.
6081
60821309
608300:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,431
6084So, that's a real wall there,
6085
60861310
608700:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,791
6088but obviously,
6089it's hugely extended by Weta.
6090
60911311
609200:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,430
6093That's really our guys
6094running along the concrete wall.
6095
60961312
609700:53:38,520 --> 00:53:39,749
6098NOWLIN: That's a great-looking shot.
6099
61001313
610100:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,309
6102BALL: Yeah, and replaced
6103and extended by Weta,
6104
61051314
610600:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,473
6107which really did a good job
6108setting up this world, making it real.
6109
61101315
611100:53:46,560 --> 00:53:47,914
6112NOWLIN: I remember that dry dock.
6113
61141316
611500:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,798
6116- It was so cool.
6117- BALL: It was cool.
6118
61191317
612000:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,759
6121HARTWICK JR.: That was another
6122hard night of shooting, remember?
6123
61241318
612500:53:55,840 --> 00:53:56,830
6126We had the gas leak,
6127
61281319
612900:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,997
6130and then all the noise
6131from the boat being worked on.
6132
61331320
613400:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,954
6135BALL: I was up there in this...
6136Two stories up with the guys,
6137
61381321
613900:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,633
6140and all of a sudden,
6141we smell something funny.
6142
61431322
614400:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,080
6145Our nose starts burning.
6146
61471323
614800:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,674
6149I'm like, "What is that?
6150That's strange."
6151
61521324
615300:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,956
6154And all of a sudden,
6155we hear over the PA,
6156
61571325
615800:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,351
6159"Everyone, get to the stairs
6160and get to the surface immediately.
6161
61621326
616300:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,714
6164"Don't panic. Just go."
6165
61661327
616700:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,269
6168- I'm like, "What's going on?"
6169- (ALL LAUGHING)
6170
61711328
617200:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,874
6173Turned out,
6174it was some kind of ammonia leak.
6175
61761329
617700:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,473
6178And because we were shooting at night,
6179
61801330
618100:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,871
6182ammonia's heavier than air, so it sunk
6183into this pit that we're in.
6184
61851331
618600:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,713
6187And ammonia can be really dangerous.
6188
61891332
619000:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,519
6191Eventually, it cleared out
6192and we went back to shooting.
6193
61941333
619500:54:30,200 --> 00:54:35,149
6196Not only that, but we had a gigantic,
6197huge shipping vessel, I guess,
6198
61991334
620000:54:35,240 --> 00:54:37,993
6201parked right next to where we are here,
6202being worked on.
6203
62041335
620500:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,798
6206And the crew had to work 24 hours a day,
6207
62081336
620900:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,311
6210so they're just sawing and welding
6211right next to us
6212
62131337
621400:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,789
6215during all these scenes,
6216and we couldn't ask them to stop.
6217
62181338
621900:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,759
6220So, a lot of this dialogue is all ADR.
6221
62221339
622300:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,035
6224It's never preferable,
6225but they did a good job.
6226
62271340
622800:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,717
6229This is a cool moment where, finally,
6230the two stories connect I think.
6231
62321341
623300:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,594
6234Like what? You've seen the building.
6235She is our only way in.
6236
62371342
623800:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,033
6239NOWLIN: The fun thing, I think,
6240of telling a story,
6241
62421343
624300:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,031
6244where there's all these different
6245points of views and threads,
6246
62471344
624800:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,595
6249is the anticipation for them
6250to tie together and collide
6251
62521345
625300:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,878
6254into one propulsive track.
6255
62561346
625700:55:18,400 --> 00:55:24,351
6258BALL: This is more necessary work
6259of exposing Newt
6260
62611347
626200:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,272
6263as something's wrong with Newt.
6264
62651348
626600:55:28,920 --> 00:55:29,910
6267Yeah.
6268
62691349
627000:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,229
6271I still wonder sometimes.
6272
62731350
627400:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,596
6275We experimented with actually
6276cutting this scene once.
6277
62781351
627900:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,558
6280NOWLIN: Yeah, it was the idea of,
6281
62821352
628300:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,553
6284"Are we revealing
6285Newt's infection too soon?"
6286
62871353
628800:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,075
6289BALL: I always thought it would be cool
6290to save it for later,
6291
62921354
629300:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,798
6294like, hint at it and save it for later,
6295
62961355
629700:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,599
6298but we just didn't have time
6299to reshoot anything.
6300
63011356
630200:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,075
6303It is what it is.
6304
63051357
630600:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,431
6307It is a cool scene
6308to see the two guys...
6309
63101358
631100:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,113
6312See a side of Newt
6313we've never seen before.
6314
63151359
631600:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,679
6317"What's going on here?"
6318
63191360
632000:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,559
6321You see he's slipping,
6322he's losing himself a little bit,
6323
63241361
632500:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,554
6326which is a tragic thing for him.
6327
63281362
632900:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,276
6330NOWLIN: I feel like the movie
6331wants this type of a scene here,
6332
63331363
633400:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,920
6335which is the interaction of the group
6336and conflict between the group,
6337
63381364
633900:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,914
6340which we haven't really had
6341since they left the base.
6342
63431365
634400:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,230
6345There's been a lot of plot.
6346
63471366
634800:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,559
6349BALL: It was a good throw going from
6350Thomas looking at Teresa
6351
63521367
635300:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,278
6354- to Minho going to talk to Teresa.
6355- NOWLIN: It was really good, yeah.
6356
63571368
635800:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,674
6359BALL: It was nice.
6360NOWLIN: That was really nice.
6361
63621369
636300:56:24,760 --> 00:56:25,989
6364BALL: It was the momentum
6365that was really nice.
6366
63671370
636800:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,229
6369You missed all this stuff.
6370
63711371
637200:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,199
6373And there's one scene I miss here.
6374
63751372
637600:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,231
6377We had Newt talking about...
6378
63791373
638000:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,754
6381NOWLIN: The story
6382of how we got his limp.
6383
63841374
638500:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,912
6386BALL: The story about how we jumped
6387from the wall and tried to kill himself.
6388
63891375
639000:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,320
6391It was good. It was just long.
6392
63931376
639400:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,073
6395NOWLIN: It was Minho who found him.
6396The point of the story is that
6397
63981377
639900:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,198
6400it was Minho who saved him
6401and gave him another chance.
6402
64031378
640400:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,191
6405The point of the story is that,
6406
64071379
640800:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,191
6409if there's anything we can do
6410to get him out, we have to do it.
6411
64121380
641300:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,270
6414That's more important.
6415
64161381
641700:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,680
6418BALL: It's already a three-minute scene,
6419
64201382
642100:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,757
6422- then it was a seven-minute scene.
6423- NOWLIN: Right.
6424
64251383
642600:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,353
6427BALL: It just had to go, unfortunately.
6428
64291384
643000:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,558
6431Being in the middle of the movie,
6432it's where most movies sag,
6433
64341385
643500:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,671
6436and you have to do everything you can
6437to keep it moving.
6438
64391386
644000:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,991
6441You got the information you needed here
6442and you got the kind of connection,
6443
64441387
644500:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,673
6446but it is one of those scenes
6447that I think
6448
64491388
645000:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,479
6451people, fans,
6452will really like to watch again,
6453
64541389
645500:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,631
6456either as its own deleted thing
6457
64581390
645900:57:07,720 --> 00:57:12,032
6460or hopefully as an extended experience
6461to the movie
6462
64631391
646400:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,270
6465because I always loved it.
6466
64671392
646800:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,270
6469Newt did a great job
6470with that reading and that story,
6471
64721393
647300:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,078
6474and it naturally flows in.
6475
64761394
647700:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,434
6478Get a little bit more to it.
6479
64801395
648100:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,434
6482As an extended thing... In the theater,
6483I think it's right to be gone,
6484
64851396
648600:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,990
6487but when you're in the comfort
6488of your own home and stuff,
6489
64901397
649100:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,356
6492the real fans who wanna enjoy
6493that kind of thing,
6494
64951398
649600:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,149
6497they would enjoy
6498a 15-minute longer version of the movie.
6499
65001399
650100:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,472
6502NOWLIN: This is our campfire scene
6503from Scorch Trials.
6504
65051400
650600:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,670
6507BALL: Yeah. Yeah.
6508HARTWICK JR.: That's right.
6509
65101401
651100:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,319
6512BALL: Unfortunately,
6513another one of those.
6514
65151402
651600:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,674
6517It's still a regret for me.
6518I still regret cutting that scene.
6519
65201403
652100:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,833
6522NOWLIN: I think we regret not figuring
6523out a way to protect it in the story.
6524
65251404
652600:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,674
6527- BALL: I know what I would've done now.
6528- I know. Yeah, we've talked about it.
6529
65301405
653100:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,479
6532BALL: We might have talked about it
6533on the commentary of the last one.
6534
65351406
653600:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,393
6537NOWLIN: But this throw works,
6538too, though,
6539
65401407
654100:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,154
6542the idea that we have to
6543get Minho out, cut to Minho.
6544
65451408
654600:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,472
6547BALL: Yeah, it just doesn't have
6548quite the momentum,
6549
65501409
655100:58:09,560 --> 00:58:10,595
6552but it is still good.
6553
65541410
655500:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,320
6556(LAUGHING) Then we see poor Minho
6557being just totally...
6558
65591411
656000:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,959
6561He's gone through hell.
6562
65631412
656400:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,190
6565Hopefully, it's just
6566reinforcing the idea of like,
6567
65681413
656900:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,237
6570"Oh, man, get in there and save him!"
6571
65721414
657300:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,719
6574- So, you're just really...
6575- NOWLIN: Yeah.
6576
65771415
657800:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,359
6579BALL: You're really
6580waiting for that chance.
6581
65821416
658300:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,078
6584"Are they gonna get him in time?"
6585
65861417
658700:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,834
6588NOWLIN: Can I say, whoever made him
6589wear that shirt is a jerk.
6590
65911418
659200:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,274
6593(LAUGHTER)
6594
65951419
659600:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,390
6597BALL: It's funny.
6598
65991420
660000:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,834
6601NOWLIN: Poor kid.
6602He's been through enough.
6603
66041421
660500:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,638
6606BALL: We have a sense of humor
6607in this movie. It's good.
6608
66091422
661000:58:32,720 --> 00:58:33,710
6611NOWLIN: Right.
6612
66131423
661400:58:35,840 --> 00:58:36,875
6615BALL: It's a good scene to have.
6616
66171424
661800:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,874
6619I told Teresa, "This is the first time
6620you've talked to him."
6621
66221425
662300:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,720
6624NOWLIN: I think she's been
6625waiting for good news.
6626
66271426
662800:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,713
6629She's been waiting to be able
6630to tell him that we're making progress.
6631
66321427
663300:58:46,800 --> 00:58:47,915
6634This is why we're here.
6635
66361428
663700:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,229
6638HARTWICK JR.:
6639To allay some of her own guilt.
6640
66411429
664200:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,200
6643BALL: A thing we kept talking about
6644in the script is this idea of the cost.
6645
66461430
664700:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,394
6648She kept saying it's worth it,
6649which is cool.
6650
66511431
665200:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,515
6653NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
6654
66551432
665600:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,076
6657BALL: Kaya does a really good job
6658in the movie in general, I think.
6659
66601433
666100:59:04,600 --> 00:59:05,590
6662She's really good.
6663
66641434
666500:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,239
6666NOWLIN: So much of her character
6667in the first two
6668
66691435
667000:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,994
6671- has been building up to this movie.
6672- BALL: This. Yeah.
6673
66741436
667500:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,631
6676NOWLIN: I'm excited
6677for people to see the movie
6678
66791437
668000:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,030
6681for what she does,
6682and for Teresa's arc as a character.
6683
66841438
668500:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,193
6686BALL: There'll still be plenty of people
6687who will not like her and just say that.
6688
66891439
669000:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,956
6691But I think there'll be some people
6692who genuinely find an interesting depth.
6693
66941440
669500:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,398
6696NOWLIN: As long as there's one person in
6697your opening weekend group of friends
6698
66991441
670000:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,074
6701- that is making the case for her...
6702- BALL: Yeah.
6703
67041442
670500:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,355
6706NOWLIN: ...then you're arguing
6707in the parking lot.
6708
67091443
671000:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,080
6711- That's all we want, is the discussion.
6712- BALL: Yeah. (LAUGHS)
6713
67141444
671500:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,514
6716NOWLIN: This isn't about
6717how she's the best.
6718
67191445
672000:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,432
6721BALL: Yeah, we're not saying
6722that she's right or wrong.
6723
67241446
672500:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,273
6726It's just that she's complicated,
6727and they're all complicated.
6728
67291447
673000:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,671
6731I think even Dylan, he might...
6732
67331448
673400:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,593
6735Or the character of Thomas,
6736
67371449
673800:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,512
6739he might be doing things wrong actually.
6740
67411450
674200:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,718
6743He might be putting his friends
6744in jeopardy coming here,
6745
67461451
674700:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,711
6748but he's doing what he feels is right.
6749
67501452
675100:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,790
6752NOWLIN: We ended the second movie with,
6753"I'm gonna kill Ava Paige.
6754
67551453
675600:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,554
6757"We're gonna take on WICKED
6758and I think..." (LAUGHS)
6759
67601454
676101:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,670
6762This is fun.
6763
67641455
676501:00:03,680 --> 01:00:04,670
6766BALL: A little sneaky thing.
6767
67681456
676901:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,159
6770I don't know if people
6771are gonna catch this or not,
6772
67731457
677401:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,595
6775but he actually steals the hairpin
6776that was in her hair.
6777
67781458
677901:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,034
6780NOWLIN: If you look it at.
6781It's a chestnut.
6782
67831459
678401:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,440
6785(BOTH LAUGH)
6786
67871460
678801:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,232
6789The idea that Thomas
6790ends the second movie,
6791
67921461
679301:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,550
6794his growth, I guess, is figuring out
6795what his purpose is
6796
67971462
679801:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,677
6799and what he's gonna do
6800now that he's out of the maze.
6801
68021463
680301:00:18,800 --> 01:00:19,870
6804He's gonna fight WICKED,
6805
68061464
680701:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,314
6808but he has a very
6809black-and-white understanding
6810
68111465
681201:00:21,400 --> 01:00:22,754
6813of who's right and who's wrong.
6814
68151466
681601:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,037
6817A lot of this movie
6818is challenging that certainty,
6819
68201467
682101:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,953
6822whether it's having to work with Gally
6823who killed Chuck,
6824
68251468
682601:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,270
6827or having to confront Teresa
6828
68291469
683001:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,556
6831and then trust Teresa
6832and then go back to WICKED.
6833
68341470
683501:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,110
6836It's just about chipping away at that,
6837and it's all a coming-of-age story.
6838
68391471
684001:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,272
6841Starting from the blank slate that he is
6842at the beginning of movie one
6843
68441472
684501:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,795
6846to becoming a leader,
6847getting out of the maze,
6848
68491473
685001:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,076
6851and then that final step of maturity,
6852
68531474
685401:00:44,200 --> 01:00:49,195
6855of seeing the world from someone else's
6856point of view other than your own.
6857
68581475
685901:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,635
6860BALL: This just turned into
6861Teresa's worst day ever.
6862
68631476
686401:00:51,720 --> 01:00:52,790
6865HARTWICK JR.: (LAUGHS) Yeah.
6866NOWLIN: (LAUGHS) Right.
6867
68681477
686901:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,109
6870HARTWICK JR.: Yeah,
6871she gets like triple punched.
6872
68731478
687401:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,760
6875BALL: Originally, it was just,
6876Minho attacked her and she walked off.
6877
68781479
687901:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,077
6880And here, the fact that we put
6881that little... That thing broke down,
6882
68831480
688401:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,391
6885it really helped to...
6886You really felt her...
6887
68881481
688901:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,154
6890Everything she's done,
6891everything she had to go through,
6892
68931482
689401:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,153
6895betrayal, everything she's
6896done it for is wasted.
6897
68981483
689901:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,514
6900NOWLIN: It's a dead-end, yeah.
6901BALL: Yeah.
6902
69031484
690401:01:10,600 --> 01:01:11,670
6905BALL: She's lost.
6906NOWLIN: It was for nothing.
6907
69081485
690901:01:11,760 --> 01:01:12,909
6910BALL: Then, of course,
6911opportunity shows.
6912
69131486
691401:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,195
6915NOWLIN: That's what she says
6916in the boardroom.
6917
69181487
691901:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,839
6920"Please don't let
6921those sacrifices be for nothing."
6922
69231488
692401:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,150
6925She's talking about
6926her sacrifices as well.
6927
69281489
692901:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,912
6930We talked about this,
6931how important it was,
6932
69331490
693401:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,799
6935the first time Thomas and Teresa
6936see each other in this moment.
6937
69381491
693901:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,598
6940We're in her point of view, not his.
6941
69421492
694301:01:25,680 --> 01:01:26,909
6944He's not stalking her.
6945
69461493
694701:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,718
6948BALL: Originally, it was
6949not that way, remember?
6950
69511494
695201:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,359
6953It was in Vancouver
6954we came up with that idea.
6955
69561495
695701:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,317
6958We were struggling with it
6959for a bit, I remember.
6960
69611496
696201:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,391
6963And it was Thomas...
6964
69651497
696601:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,110
6967It was seeing from Thomas' point of view
6968going after her, I remember.
6969
69701498
697101:01:39,240 --> 01:01:40,435
6972We went out to location one day,
6973
69741499
697501:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,990
6976and I remember having this idea that
6977it'd be nice to follow her for a bit.
6978
69791500
698001:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,912
6981NOWLIN: We're chasing him.
6982BALL: And then she sees him.
6983
69841501
698501:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,958
6986BALL: Suddenly, the scene, for me,
6987clicked into place I think,
6988
69891502
699001:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,030
6991you know what I mean?
6992
69931503
699401:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,077
6995NOWLIN: Yeah, I don't remember that
6996other version, but it's possible.
6997
69981504
699901:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,639
7000We went through,
7001that's something to say...
7002
70031505
700401:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,155
7005We went through
7006so many iterations of the story.
7007
70081506
700901:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,799
7010More than the second movie.
7011
70121507
701301:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,919
7014I think the reason why we didn't think
7015as much about 2 writing 1
7016
70171508
701801:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,320
7019is 'cause one was so contained.
7020
70211509
702201:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,993
7023It was about getting out of the maze.
7024
70251510
702601:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,673
7027And the big reveal
7028we were planning is that
7029
70301511
703101:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,673
7032the world outside the maze is a ruin.
7033It's a bigger world.
7034
70351512
703601:02:08,760 --> 01:02:09,989
7037BALL: By the way,
7038that movie could be the end.
7039
70401513
704101:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,918
7042- For all we knew, that was the end.
7043- NOWLIN: That could be the end. Right.
7044
70451514
704601:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,316
7047BALL: But when the second one came out,
7048we didn't know there'd be a third one.
7049
70501515
705101:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,834
7052HARTWICK JR.:
7053We didn't have as much time, too.
7054
70551516
705601:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,473
7057Our second movie
7058started shooting a month...
7059
70601517
706101:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,550
7062After the first one came out.
7063
70641518
706501:02:18,640 --> 01:02:19,755
7066NOWLIN: A month
7067after the first one came out.
7068
70691519
707001:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,632
7071But also with the decision
7072to open the second one
7073
70741520
707501:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,155
7076right where the first one ended,
7077we're immediately...
7078
70791521
708001:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,275
7081You have that great opening,
7082
70831522
708401:02:25,360 --> 01:02:26,430
7085and now we're in a corner
7086
70871523
708801:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,796
7089that we have to wiggle our way
7090out of a little bit.
7091
70921524
709301:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,951
7094BALL: We had to explain that,
7095"Wait, so she's not dead?"
7096
70971525
709801:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,749
7099It's just this weird thing
7100that we have to tie up unfortunately.
7101
71021526
710301:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,751
7104NOWLIN: The hardest scene
7105to write in that movie, frankly,
7106
71071527
710801:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,753
7109was Thomas spying on that conversation
7110between Ava and Janson.
7111
71121528
711301:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,751
7114That was such nightmare.
7115
71161529
711701:02:42,360 --> 01:02:43,430
7118They did it well.
7119
71201530
712101:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,078
7122Here, there were so many possibilities.
7123
71241531
712501:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,432
7126We did a draft, I swear to God,
7127where the solar flares came back.
7128
71291532
713001:02:50,520 --> 01:02:51,590
7131BALL: Yeah, right,
7132I remember that, yeah.
7133
71341533
713501:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,557
7136NOWLIN: We did a draft where
7137they leave the city at one point,
7138
71391534
714001:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,916
7141where WICKED had another...
7142Closer to the book.
7143
71441535
714501:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,792
7146They had another, like,
7147their version of a safe haven.
7148
71491536
715001:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,200
7151HARTWICK JR.:
7152Like an underground vault thing.
7153
71541537
715501:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,600
7156BALL: It just felt like every time...
7157
71581538
715901:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,000
7160NOWLIN: You want it to end at the city.
7161
71621539
716301:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,309
7164BALL: It was just too much.
7165NOWLIN: Right.
7166
71671540
716801:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,869
7169BALL: It was like you felt you wanted
7170to split off and do another movie,
7171
71721541
717301:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,839
7174and it's like it's better
7175to make the city the stage
7176
71771542
717801:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,319
7179and make WICKED's headquarter
7180in the city.
7181
71821543
718301:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,199
7184NOWLIN: And if it's the last city,
7185this is the last stand of civilization,
7186
71871544
718801:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,715
7189- when WICKED falls, it's over.
7190- BALL: Yeah. "There's another place."
7191
71921545
719301:03:15,800 --> 01:03:16,995
7194BALL: And you have to go there.
7195
71961546
719701:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,275
7198And then you have to
7199spend time doing that.
7200
72011547
720201:03:18,360 --> 01:03:19,350
7203NOWLIN: I thought about that watching...
7204
72051548
720601:03:19,480 --> 01:03:20,754
7207I shouldn't say this,
7208
72091549
721001:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,194
7211- but we'll talk later.
7212- BALL: Okay.
7213
72141550
721501:03:22,280 --> 01:03:23,998
7216I think I know
7217what you're talking about.
7218
72191551
722001:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,631
7221I always remember
7222loving the idea of this scene, too,
7223
72241552
722501:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,234
7226just the two people coming together.
7227
72281553
722901:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,039
7230And the trick, essentially,
7231of him kidnapping her.
7232
72331554
723401:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,553
7235It's like, they get to actually meet
7236and talk to each other for a moment.
7237
72381555
723901:03:38,640 --> 01:03:39,755
7240This quiet...
7241
72421556
724301:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,753
7244Originally, in Vancouver,
7245it was gonna be an alleyway.
7246
72471557
724801:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,871
7249But we found this little spot.
7250
72511558
725201:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,792
7253NOWLIN: Something else,
7254if we had been able to reshoot
7255
72561559
725701:03:46,880 --> 01:03:47,870
7258the Newt infection reveal,
7259
72601560
726101:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,394
7262which, let's talk through that,
7263
72641561
726501:03:49,480 --> 01:03:50,993
7266because if you would cut
7267right from seeing Teresa
7268
72691562
727001:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,070
7271to her point of view.
7272
72731563
727401:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,195
7275BALL: You wouldn't know what's going on.
7276
72771564
727801:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,953
7279NOWLIN: What's going on here?
7280This isn't part of the plan.
7281
72821565
728301:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,111
7284He could just be
7285genuinely concerned like,
7286
72871566
728801:03:57,200 --> 01:03:58,838
7289"You gotta get out of here.
7290They're gonna come and get you."
7291
72921567
729301:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,194
7294BALL: Yeah, there's a lot of
7295good mystery there.
7296
72971568
729801:04:00,280 --> 01:04:01,270
7299NOWLIN: A lot of good... Yeah.
7300
73011569
730201:04:01,440 --> 01:04:02,510
7303BALL: But even there,
7304there's still a surprise
7305
73061570
730701:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,477
7308that Gally comes around and takes her.
7309
73101571
731101:04:04,560 --> 01:04:05,755
7312NOWLIN: Yeah, that's cool.
7313
73141572
731501:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,717
7316This is a little structural change
7317you did.
7318
73191573
732001:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,632
7321Originally, we go from
7322the bag over her head
7323
73241574
732501:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,631
7326- to the scene with them at the church.
7327- BALL: Yeah, the church scene.
7328
73291575
733001:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,836
7331NOWLIN: This would've come right before
7332the heist, but it works well here.
7333
73341576
733501:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,800
7336BALL: Yeah, we did this in editing,
7337'cause you wanted to...
7338
73391577
734001:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,998
7341Again, the off-screen movie
7342is transporting her to somewhere secret.
7343
73441578
734501:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,310
7346So, we get to go away somewhere,
7347a different point of view.
7348
73491579
735001:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,994
7351NOWLIN: This is also one of
7352the slower moments in the movie
7353
73541580
735501:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,559
7356where it's good to have that,
7357
73581581
735901:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,393
7360"What's going on with Teresa
7361in the back of the..."
7362
73631582
736401:04:30,480 --> 01:04:31,879
7365But I love this scene.
7366
73671583
736801:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,514
7369BALL: It's another one
7370where they really talk about
7371
73721584
737301:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,438
7374the state of the affairs of the movie.
7375
73761585
737701:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,120
7378NOWLIN: But the fact that Ava's done,
7379that that was her last chance,
7380
73811586
738201:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,989
7383and really clarifying the fact
7384that they're on their last leg,
7385
73861587
738701:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,912
7388that the virus is inside the city,
7389
73901588
739101:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,550
7392and this is the kind of split moment
7393between Ava and Janson.
7394
73951589
739601:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,753
7397I think going into the heist
7398from this scene,
7399
74001590
740101:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,595
7402I don't know what's gonna happen.
7403I don't know what I want to happen.
7404
74051591
740601:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,630
7407BALL: Yeah, you get that idea that,
7408"No, not this time."
7409
74101592
741101:05:02,400 --> 01:05:03,390
7412The virus is airborne.
7413
74141593
741501:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,073
7416There's a little reaction to Janson,
7417
74181594
741901:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,073
7420it's because he knows he's infected,
7421that's how he got sick.
7422
74231595
742401:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,355
7425NOWLIN: Yeah, he's ahead of her on that.
7426
74271596
742801:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,919
7429There was a lot more about that, too,
7430like little setups that Janson...
7431
74321597
743301:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,832
7434BALL: Yeah, I cut those out,
7435some of them unfortunately.
7436
74371598
743801:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,479
7439- Mainly just for time.
7440- NOWLIN: I think all of them, right?
7441
74421599
744301:05:16,600 --> 01:05:17,920
7444BALL: Yeah,
7445there was a scene we had earlier
7446
74471600
744801:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,038
7449right before Teresa was testing a little
7450girl where Janson steals some serum,
7451
74521601
745301:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,110
7454and you're not quite sure why.
7455
74561602
745701:05:22,200 --> 01:05:23,190
7458I think you get it.
7459
74601603
746101:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,430
7462There was a scene early on
7463between the two characters here
7464
74651604
746601:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,955
7467talking about Thomas
7468after they rob the train
7469
74701605
747101:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,360
7472where Janson's hand is shaking.
7473
74741606
747501:05:29,440 --> 01:05:30,714
7476We're obviously just setting it up.
7477
74781607
747901:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,920
7480I think pretty much any audience member
7481would know what we're doing there.
7482
74831608
748401:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,992
7485It's another little thing that I miss
7486
74871609
748801:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,272
7489that I think actually would be good
7490in a longer version,
7491
74921610
749301:05:42,360 --> 01:05:43,430
7494'cause he was really good.
7495
74961611
749701:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,670
7498He made a lot more of a character
7499in the beginning.
7500
75011612
750201:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,270
7503But even this line here,
7504maybe it won't mean much to people,
7505
75061613
750701:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,079
7508but the fact that she says,
7509"Everything we put them through,
7510
75111614
751201:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,151
7513"at least we gave them the tools
7514they'll need to survive."
7515
75161615
751701:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,230
7518What she's talking about is
7519
75201616
752101:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,994
7522everything they've put them through
7523in the maze and in the Glades.
7524
75251617
752601:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,832
7527These kids know
7528how to fend for themselves.
7529
75301618
753101:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,991
7532They know how to grow food.
7533They know how to build shelter.
7534
75351619
753601:06:02,080 --> 01:06:03,798
7537They know how to have democracy.
7538
75391620
754001:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,554
7541They know how to start
7542a new world together, which is cool.
7543
75441621
754501:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,551
7546NOWLIN: We've had that
7547in the back of our minds for so long.
7548
75491622
755001:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,234
7551It was always, for me,
7552the most satisfying explanation
7553
75541623
755501:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,953
7556for why they're in the maze beyond...
7557
75581624
755901:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,519
7560- 'Cause the problem is the experience...
7561- BALL: They trained them
7562
75631625
756401:06:14,600 --> 01:06:15,590
7565for a world on their own.
7566
75671626
756801:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,240
7569NOWLIN: Right. And for the eventuality
7570for their own failure,
7571
75721627
757301:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,516
7574that they're gonna have to carry on
7575and rebuild civilization.
7576
75771628
757801:06:20,600 --> 01:06:25,071
7579So, whatever they needed to do to them
7580to get to test them for the cure,
7581
75821629
758301:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,278
7584they also had to prepare them
7585for starting over.
7586
75871630
758801:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,518
7589BALL: Which I thought
7590is the cool concept to me, really.
7591
75921631
759301:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,875
7594The concept of the movies
7595we always said,
7596
75971632
759801:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,031
7599the first movie's like being in school,
7600
76011633
760201:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,430
7603and then the second movie's graduating.
7604
76051634
760601:06:39,520 --> 01:06:40,510
7607NOWLIN: Into the big world
7608and to college.
7609
76101635
761101:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,830
7612BALL: And then the third movie's
7613finally, "You're on your own."
7614
76151636
761601:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,638
7617And that first thing in the Glades,
7618
76191637
762001:06:44,720 --> 01:06:49,317
7621it's really about preparing them
7622for the state of the world out there.
7623
76241638
762501:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,991
7626These young people have to start
7627a world together in some way or another.
7628
76291639
763001:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,070
7631NOWLIN: Right.
7632
76331640
763401:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,831
7635There's a little bit
7636of a disconnect, I think,
7637
76381641
763901:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,036
7640between, when people
7641watch the first movie,
7642
76431642
764401:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,390
7645the explanation feels disconnected
7646
76471643
764801:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,757
7649from the experience that these kids
7650actually went through
7651
76521644
765301:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,514
7654of working together and building
7655the food and the shelter.
7656
76571645
765801:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,714
7659I think that's why
7660it took a little while
7661
76621646
766301:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,270
7664to get into the world of the movie
7665in Scorch Trials.
7666
76671647
766801:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,555
7669BALL: There's definitely those...
7670
76711648
767201:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,711
7673There's one great critique.
7674
76751649
767601:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,950
7677"It's a great movie
7678with a terrible ending."
7679
76801650
768101:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,111
7682I think for a lot of people,
7683or some people anyway,
7684
76851651
768601:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,989
7687we still, I think, are pretty successful
7688as a movie series.
7689
76901652
769101:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,989
7692The people that we lost, we probably
7693lost them at end of the first movie
7694
76951653
769601:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,469
7697where the answer
7698wasn't satisfying for them.
7699
77001654
770101:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,395
7702They wanted it to be aliens or they
7703wanted it to be some other explanation
7704
77051655
770601:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,756
7707to where they were
7708and why they were there.
7709
77101656
771101:07:41,400 --> 01:07:42,470
7712It is what it is.
7713
77141657
771501:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,029
7716NOWLIN: It wasn't an answer
7717to the questions they were asking.
7718
77191658
772001:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,236
7721- It was just new information.
7722- BALL: Mmm-hmm.
7723
77241659
772501:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,350
7726NOWLIN: And it wasn't always that way.
7727
77281660
772901:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,954
7730We originally had an ending
7731where we didn't talk about the Flare...
7732
77331661
773401:07:54,040 --> 01:07:55,599
7735BALL: Yeah,
7736we didn't go into that stuff.
7737
77381662
773901:07:55,680 --> 01:07:56,670
7740NOWLIN: ...or the Cranks.
7741
77421663
774301:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,473
7744The whole device
7745
77461664
774701:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,471
7748- of rushing them out that door.
7749- BALL: But at the same time,
7750
77511665
775201:08:00,560 --> 01:08:01,959
7753we have two more books
7754that we have to follow.
7755
77561666
775701:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,078
7758So we have to hit that stuff,
7759and hopefully by this movie,
7760
77611667
776201:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,039
7763that it just becomes
7764a part of the universe
7765
77661668
776701:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,589
7768and a full experience of not just mazes,
7769
77701669
777101:08:10,680 --> 01:08:17,154
7772but a world of destruction and infection
7773and the ultimate cure here.
7774
77751670
777601:08:17,280 --> 01:08:18,679
7777NOWLIN: It's the idea that
7778the future belongs to these kids.
7779
77801671
778101:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,752
7782You're either going to support them
7783or you're going to exploit them.
7784
77851672
778601:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,192
7787They're ultimately gonna decide
7788their own path.
7789
77901673
779101:08:26,280 --> 01:08:27,600
7792BALL: This scene worked out
7793really well, too.
7794
77951674
779601:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,469
7797Just in general,
7798I'm kinda proud of the way it flows
7799
78001675
780101:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,916
7802from point of view to point of view
7803throughout.
7804
78051676
780601:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,158
7807Just the way it's cut and everything,
7808
78091677
781001:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,151
7811I thought it came together
7812really, really well.
7813
78141678
781501:08:41,320 --> 01:08:42,390
7816NOWLIN: All this stuff from...
7817
78181679
781901:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,396
7820BALL: Yeah, just like that one shot,
7821it goes from his...
7822
78231680
782401:08:45,480 --> 01:08:46,834
7825He's been worked on, too.
7826
78271681
782801:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,833
7829NOWLIN: And now they're watching him
7830and then she walks over.
7831
78321682
783301:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,958
7834BALL: They have all their...
7835And then this little shot becomes...
7836
78371683
783801:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,077
7839It's all one shot, too,
7840which I always love, too.
7841
78421684
784301:08:55,160 --> 01:08:56,753
7844NOWLIN: This is one
7845of my favorite shots in the movie.
7846
78471685
784801:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,514
7849It's also because of their performances
7850in the scene and...
7851
78521686
785301:08:59,600 --> 01:09:00,590
7854BALL: Yeah.
7855
78561687
785701:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,033
7858NOWLIN: I just like watching.
7859I'm just gonna watch this.
7860
78611688
786201:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,270
7863(BOTH CHUCKLE)
7864
78651689
786601:09:05,240 --> 01:09:06,310
7867BALL: Yeah, it was good.
7868
78691690
787001:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,552
7871It was a pretty fun day.
7872
78731691
787401:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,157
7875It was a cool real church
7876that we shot in Cape Town.
7877
78781692
787901:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,749
7880We had to clean it up every day,
7881didn't we, or something?
7882
78831693
788401:09:17,880 --> 01:09:18,870
7885I forget.
7886
78871694
788801:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,913
7889- To get access to it, it wasn't easy.
7890- NOWLIN: Uh...
7891
78921695
789301:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,229
7894BALL: We weren't sure if we were gonna
7895shoot there for a while.
7896
78971696
789801:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,479
7899They were doing
7900services and stuff, yeah.
7901
79021697
790301:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,471
7904HARTWICK JR.: Yeah, in the front corner,
7905they were still doing services.
7906
79071698
790801:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,353
7909BALL: They let us keep parts of it
7910still messed up, there's churchgoers,
7911
79121699
791301:09:31,440 --> 01:09:33,397
7914- "What's going on over there?"
7915- (LAUGHTER)
7916
79171700
791801:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,158
7919HARTWICK JR.:
7920It was hard for Gyula to light.
7921
79221701
792301:09:36,240 --> 01:09:37,833
7924BALL: Yeah,
7925but it turned out good I thought.
7926
79271702
792801:09:37,920 --> 01:09:38,910
7929HARTWICK JR.: It was good.
7930
79311703
793201:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,438
7933NOWLIN: We struggled with, "Where
7934are they laying low before the heist?"
7935
79361704
793701:09:42,520 --> 01:09:43,669
7938There were different ideas.
7939
79401705
794101:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,757
7942BALL: I always like the idea,
7943it's very subtle,
7944
79451706
794601:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,831
7947but the idea that people
7948have given up on religion
7949
79501707
795101:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,513
7952- in a way in this world.
7953- NOWLIN: Exactly.
7954
79551708
795601:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,274
7957BALL: That people don't go to church
7958anymore, so that it's safe to go there.
7959
79601709
796101:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,271
7962NOWLIN: It's a world that's lost faith.
7963BALL: Yeah.
7964
79651710
796601:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,192
7967BALL: I thought there was
7968something cool about that.
7969
79701711
797101:09:56,480 --> 01:09:57,550
7972Brenda.
7973
79741712
797501:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,837
7976I didn't think she'd still be alive.
7977
79781713
797901:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,838
7980BALL: Kaya did a really good job here.
7981
79821714
798301:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,231
7984This is a really tricky
7985story moment to have here.
7986
79871715
798801:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,799
7989NOWLIN: Because it's such
7990important information,
7991
79921716
799301:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,598
7994but she also needs to be clever.
7995
79961717
799701:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,557
7998She's fishing for information, too.
7999
80001718
800101:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,275
8002HARTWICK JR.: She did a good job.
8003
80041719
800501:10:16,360 --> 01:10:17,953
8006BALL: That realization there, too.
8007
80081720
800901:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,316
8010I think she did a really good job
8011with a scene
8012
80131721
801401:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,550
8015that could have been...
8016
80171722
801801:10:22,640 --> 01:10:23,835
8019It could have not worked very well.
8020
80211723
802201:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,070
8023NOWLIN: This is the other reason why
8024it was a big step forward
8025
80261724
802701:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,670
8028to show the limit of the serum
8029that they're getting from the kids,
8030
80311725
803201:10:29,760 --> 01:10:30,750
8033seeing them turn.
8034
80351726
803601:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,070
8037- This is such big news for her.
8038- BALL: We know what she's talking about.
8039
80401727
804101:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,639
8042NOWLIN: It's big news for us, too.
8043
80441728
804501:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,314
8046BALL: The real challenge here
8047is that you have to remember
8048
80491729
805001:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,392
8051that Thomas gave Brenda his blood.
8052
80531730
805401:10:40,680 --> 01:10:41,715
8055NOWLIN: Or even if you don't,
8056
80571731
805801:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,559
8059the way she chips away at him
8060through the rest of the movie,
8061
80621732
806301:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,153
8064- you start to figure out.
8065- BALL: You at least connect it,
8066
80671733
806801:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,072
8069but the people that remember that scene
8070
80711734
807201:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,912
8073between him giving his blood
8074and saving Brenda
8075
80761735
807701:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,196
8078for two, maybe three months.
8079
80801736
808101:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,033
8082Then that scene with Jorge and Brenda
8083saying, "How's it looking?
8084
80851737
808601:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,110
8087"You're looking pretty good."
8088
80891738
809001:10:56,200 --> 01:10:57,759
8091She's like, "I'm gonna turn eventually."
8092
80931739
809401:10:59,520 --> 01:11:00,840
8095The pieces are there.
8096
80971740
809801:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,518
8099If they're strong enough,
8100we'll find out, I guess.
8101
81021741
810301:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,594
8104But it all does all
8105start to come together now.
8106
81071742
810801:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,433
8109A perfect example of where something
8110that's set up in the second movie
8111
81121743
811301:11:11,520 --> 01:11:12,669
8114that pays off in the third.
8115
81161744
811701:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,912
8118NOWLIN: I wonder if people notice her
8119taking the blood sample there.
8120
81211745
812201:11:16,040 --> 01:11:17,235
8123BALL: Yeah.
8124NOWLIN: They do?
8125
81261746
812701:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,152
8128NOWLIN: So, was that
8129a misinterpretation on Gally's part?
8130
81311747
813201:11:19,240 --> 01:11:20,639
8133He thought she was
8134reaching for the knife,
8135
81361748
813701:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,438
8138- but was really reaching for the...
8139- BALL: That's the idea.
8140
81411749
814201:11:22,520 --> 01:11:23,555
8143NOWLIN: Yeah, okay, that's cool.
8144
81451750
814601:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,790
8147BALL: The idea is, yeah,
8148he's like, "Nice try."
8149
81501751
815101:11:25,880 --> 01:11:26,870
8152He always gets a laugh, too.
8153
81541752
815501:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,837
8156I've been surprised
8157in all of our test screenings
8158
81591753
816001:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,514
8161that people love
8162Gally's character in this movie.
8163
81641754
816501:11:31,640 --> 01:11:32,755
8166I think Will did a good job.
8167
81681755
816901:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,274
8170HARTWICK JR.: This is a good scene, too.
8171
81721756
817301:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,150
8174You can't save everyone, Thomas.
8175
81761757
817701:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,199
8178BALL: I don't remember
8179why we came up with this line.
8180
81811758
818201:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,032
8183I'm still on the fence about it, but...
8184
81851759
818601:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,999
8187NOWLIN: It was part of another arc
8188for her where she was talking about...
8189
81901760
819101:11:45,080 --> 01:11:46,878
8192She was supposed to be
8193talking about herself.
8194
81951761
819601:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,918
8197BALL: Every time we went into it,
8198it's like we stopped the scene again,
8199
82001762
820101:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,277
8202the momentum of the scene
8203to talk about their relationship.
8204
82051763
820601:11:53,360 --> 01:11:54,350
8207And it's just, ugh...
8208
82091764
821001:11:54,440 --> 01:11:56,113
8211It's just like you hit the brakes again.
8212
82131765
821401:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,191
8215NOWLIN: It's not where you are.
8216
82171766
821801:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,956
8219BALL: And I love how it's after these
822015 minutes of slow pace.
8221
82221767
822301:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,553
8224NOWLIN: Yeah, here we go.
8225BALL: Boom! Here we go.
8226
82271768
822801:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,392
8229BALL: It's like we're going in.
8230The heist is beginning.
8231
82321769
823301:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,596
8234It's like, "I'm just ready for it."
8235
82361770
823701:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,315
8238So, from here on,
8239the movie basically doesn't stop.
8240
82411771
824201:12:12,400 --> 01:12:13,720
8243It just goes.
8244
82451772
824601:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,552
8247NOWLIN: But I will say,
8248just to go back to that earlier point,
8249
82501773
825101:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,677
8252the idea of Brenda's relationship
8253with Thomas
8254
82551774
825601:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,319
8257and the fact that
8258she's gonna turn eventually,
8259
82601775
826101:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,279
8262it was supposed to be our vessel
8263of reminding the audience
8264
82651776
826601:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,472
8267that it was his blood that saved her,
8268that gave her this time.
8269
82701777
827101:12:25,560 --> 01:12:26,550
8272BALL: I think you get it.
8273
82741778
827501:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,836
8276This is another one of those cases
8277
82781779
827901:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,991
8280where it's like less is more, I think,
8281in this case.
8282
82831780
828401:12:31,960 --> 01:12:33,030
8285But this is a cool thing, too.
8286
82871781
828801:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,515
8289Again, no dialogue. Just, you get it.
8290
82911782
829201:12:35,600 --> 01:12:36,590
8293They all got in.
8294
82951783
829601:12:36,680 --> 01:12:42,039
8297They're just slowly meeting up
8298in one little smooth kind of way.
8299
83001784
830101:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,396
8302HARTWICK JR.: This is a cool location,
8303the convention center.
8304
83051785
830601:12:44,480 --> 01:12:45,914
8307We shot all over this place.
8308
83091786
831001:12:48,000 --> 01:12:48,990
8311NOWLIN: This is great.
8312
83131787
831401:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,799
8315Just one by one
8316they're all trickling in...
8317
83181788
831901:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,113
8320BALL: None of the lights matched.
8321(LAUGHS)
8322
83231789
832401:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,438
8325Gyula really had a tough time
8326lighting this one.
8327
83281790
832901:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,149
8330If you notice, our go-to trick
8331to make something look sci-fi
8332
83331791
833401:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,516
8335is we put fluorescent lights
8336in the background.
8337
83381792
833901:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,238
8340- Everywhere we go, that's what we do.
8341- (LAUGHTER)
8342
83431793
834401:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,550
8345NOWLIN: Her little ID badge
8346that just says "Teresa"
8347
83481794
834901:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,472
8350Does she not have a last name? (LAUGHS)
8351
83521795
835301:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,432
8354BALL: I think it says
8355"Teresa A," doesn't it?
8356
83571796
835801:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,113
8359NOWLIN: Oh, it does? Okay.
8360BALL: Yeah, I think so.
8361
83621797
836301:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,960
8364NOWLIN: "T," Agnes?
8365BALL: Agnes, or whatever her name is?
8366
83671798
836801:13:16,360 --> 01:13:17,839
8369BALL: Which, I guess,
8370we don't do that,
8371
83721799
837301:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,149
8374but in the books, you find out
8375
83761800
837701:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,356
8378that all these characters' names
8379are not their real names.
8380
83811801
838201:13:21,880 --> 01:13:22,870
8383HARTWICK JR.: Can't do it.
8384
83851802
838601:13:23,000 --> 01:13:23,990
8387NOWLIN: You just can't do it. Like...
8388BALL: Yeah, we just couldn't do it.
8389
83901803
839101:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,593
8392NOWLIN: You fall in love
8393with Newt as Newt.
8394
83951804
839601:13:25,680 --> 01:13:26,875
8397BALL: Yeah.
8398NOWLIN: Thomas is Thomas.
8399
84001805
840101:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,030
8402BALL: Yeah, but this...
8403
84041806
840501:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,190
8406HARTWICK JR.: She notices
8407he's sick here.
8408
84091807
841001:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,032
8411NOWLIN: I think maybe in the book
8412that's easier. You just read, you know?
8413
84141808
841501:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,190
8416BALL: Yeah, exactly it is.
8417
84181809
841901:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,352
8420It's just one of those things where
8421in a movie it just kind of spoils it.
8422
84231810
842401:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,360
8425You know, it's like,
8426"I don't want that."
8427
84281811
842901:13:37,440 --> 01:13:38,475
8430HARTWICK JR.: That was good.
8431
84321812
843301:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,838
8434NOWLIN: This is good. We're kind of
8435back to the opening train now,
8436
84371813
843801:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,069
8439- except you know, we're, we don't...
8440- BALL: Yeah, exactly.
8441
84421814
844301:13:43,160 --> 01:13:44,594
8444NOWLIN: We know
8445there's something unfolding.
8446
84471815
844801:13:44,680 --> 01:13:45,795
8449We don't know exactly what the plan is.
8450
84511816
845201:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,200
8453BALL: Yeah, which is cool I think,
8454you know?
8455
84561817
845701:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,032
8458It's unlike a typical heist movie.
8459
84601818
846101:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,351
8462It's just a heist movie where they get
8463to really lay out all the problems
8464
84651819
846601:13:52,440 --> 01:13:54,238
8467and how they cleverly get around them.
8468
84691820
847001:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,755
8471We're not so much of a heist movie,
8472you know,
8473
84741821
847501:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,239
8476as we are just a mission movie.
8477
84781822
847901:13:58,320 --> 01:13:59,355
8480NOWLIN: It's a rescue mission.
8481BALL: Yeah.
8482
84831823
848401:13:59,440 --> 01:14:03,832
8485And it is fun to be
8486a little behind the characters in a way
8487
84881824
848901:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,997
8490and we're kind of piecing together
8491what's happening here.
8492
84931825
849401:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,115
8495NOWLIN: Yeah.
8496
84971826
849801:14:08,480 --> 01:14:09,914
8499BALL: Now there is a scene
8500that we cut out
8501
85021827
850301:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,118
8504in that scene where Newt flips out
8505where Lawrence
8506
85071828
850801:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,953
8509offers them this little device
8510to get them in.
8511
85121829
851301:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,919
8514If they can get inside, he can help them
8515get past the security.
8516
85171830
851801:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,196
8519But I felt like we just didn't need it.
8520
85211831
852201:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,079
8523And like you kind of, you've seen
8524enough of these kinds of things before
8525
85261832
852701:14:24,160 --> 01:14:25,514
8528and this is kind of stems of the book
8529
85301833
853101:14:25,600 --> 01:14:26,920
8532where Thomas' thumb drive, I think,
8533
85341834
853501:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,560
8536that he plants into the WICKED system
8537and disables their...
8538
85391835
854001:14:29,640 --> 01:14:30,630
8541NOWLIN: Their weapons, yeah.
8542
85431836
854401:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,835
8545BALL: Their weapons or something.
8546
85471837
854801:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,957
8549So that's where this came from.
8550But yeah.
8551
85521838
855301:14:34,040 --> 01:14:35,030
8554NOWLIN: Well, you need to know, like,
8555
85561839
855701:14:35,120 --> 01:14:36,758
8558they can't just be walking around
8559to the point where...
8560
85611840
856201:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,239
8563BALL: That's my voice there saying
8564"Check it out." (LAUGHS)
8565
85661841
856701:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,314
8568NOWLIN: Oh, really? I could tell.
8569BALL: I'll check it out.
8570
85711842
857201:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,038
8573NOWLIN: But I also like
8574that moment of where
8575
85761843
857701:14:44,200 --> 01:14:45,793
8578with Lawrence not giving them the device
8579
85801844
858101:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,234
8582it's like... Oh, yeah, he's a part
8583of this, too, yeah.
8584
85851845
858601:14:47,320 --> 01:14:48,435
8587He'll know what's going on.
8588
85891846
859001:14:48,520 --> 01:14:49,715
8591NOWLIN: Yeah, but it's good
8592that he's a part of it.
8593
85941847
859501:14:53,480 --> 01:14:55,551
8596NOWLIN: Keystone Kops here.
8597BALL: Yeah.
8598
85991848
860001:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,960
8601BALL: But I love
8602this little off-stage sound.
8603
86041849
860501:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,839
8606- (BALL IMITATING GUNFIRE)
8607- NOWLIN: Yeah. (LAUGHS)
8608
86091850
861001:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,234
8611BALL: It's pretty silly.
8612
86131851
861401:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,671
8615I don't know why,
8616but I always loved the shot of Newt.
8617
86181852
861901:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,512
8620- I just like how he looked.
8621- HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
8622
86231853
862401:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,150
8625NOWLIN: Let's go.
8626
86271854
862801:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,436
8629BALL: You can see his veins
8630just starting to show a little bit.
8631
86321855
863301:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,238
8634- He's getting sicker, you know?
8635- NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
8636
86371856
863801:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,911
8639BALL: Trying to track
8640all that was crazy.
8641
86421857
864301:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,310
8644NOWLIN: That's something else, that if
8645we had waited to reveal his infection
8646
86471858
864801:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,550
8649that moment in the stairwell of Teresa
8650noticing that he's sick.
8651
86521859
865301:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,074
8654- That's important either way.
8655- BALL: Yeah.
8656
86571860
865801:15:28,160 --> 01:15:29,912
8659- But it did work really well actually.
8660- NOWLIN: Yeah.
8661
86621861
866301:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,798
8664BALL: We didn't know,
8665but we kind of, like,
8666
86671862
866801:15:31,920 --> 01:15:33,718
8669something's going on there
8670and she knows.
8671
86721863
867301:15:34,360 --> 01:15:35,589
8674It did work really well.
8675
86761864
867701:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,992
8678Next time. (LAUGHS)
8679
86801865
868101:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,549
8682NOWLIN: So you know, there's always one
8683or two of those things when you're...
8684
86851866
868601:15:45,640 --> 01:15:46,994
8687You get later into the process.
8688
86891867
869001:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,594
8691BALL: Yeah, you know, someone said it.
8692"Movies are abandoned, not finished."
8693
86941868
869501:15:49,680 --> 01:15:50,670
8696NOWLIN: Right.
8697
86981869
869901:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,673
8700BALL: We basically ran out of the clock
8701on this one. Beyond, I think.
8702
87031870
870401:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,831
8705NOWLIN: Well, I think we learned
8706a lot of lessons on 1 and 2
8707
87081871
870901:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,594
8710that I think we incorporated really well
8711in writing this.
8712
87131872
871401:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,114
8715And then we learned still more lessons
8716
87171873
871801:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,197
8719in this one that we'll incorporate
8720into Maze Runner 4.
8721
87221874
872301:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,351
8724- BALL: Yeah, you never differ.
8725- (NOWLIN CHUCKLES)
8726
87271875
872801:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,033
8729BALL: Yeah, good luck with that.
8730
87311876
873201:16:06,120 --> 01:16:07,315
8733NOWLIN: Yup.
8734
87351877
873601:16:07,400 --> 01:16:08,879
8737BALL: Tell me how it goes.
8738NOWLIN: Yup.
8739
87401878
874101:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,673
8742BALL: I'll be there, opening day.
8743
87441879
874501:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,631
8746NOWLIN: Probably paying matinee price,
8747you jerk.
8748
87491880
875001:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,279
8751BALL: Yes. (CHUCKLES)
8752
87531881
875401:16:16,440 --> 01:16:19,034
8755Thomas, that's on the other side
8756of the building.
8757
87581882
875901:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,150
8760NOWLIN: So yeah,
8761here things start going wrong.
8762
87631883
876401:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,629
8765BALL: Yeah, the little issue in the plan
8766
87671884
876801:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,711
8769where it wasn't
8770supposed to go this way...
8771
87721885
877301:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,633
8774It was important to get Newt to go
8775with them, too, you know?
8776
87771886
877801:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,553
8779Yeah, the group
8780slowly starts splitting up.
8781
87821887
878301:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,029
8784Like Return of the Jedi, you know?
8785All these different characters,
8786
87871888
878801:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,475
8789they kind of start splitting up,
8790and are they gonna come back together?
8791
87921889
879301:16:40,560 --> 01:16:41,959
8794Are they gonna see each other again,
8795
87961890
879701:16:42,040 --> 01:16:43,519
8798like that scene with Jorge and Brenda,
8799you know?
8800
88011891
880201:16:43,600 --> 01:16:44,635
8803I'm worried I'm never gonna
8804see you again.
8805
88061892
880701:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,393
8808Hopefully you're thinking "Oh, my gosh,
8809
88101893
881101:16:46,480 --> 01:16:48,153
8812"something's going to happen here
8813that..." You know.
8814
88151894
881601:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,030
8817NOWLIN: They're about to do
8818something stupid.
8819
88201895
882101:16:51,120 --> 01:16:52,110
8822BALL: Yeah.
8823
88241896
882501:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,633
8826NOWLIN: So, I wonder if the audience
8827is wondering what's in that vault.
8828
88291897
883001:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,599
8831'Cause earlier, when we see Janson
8832stealing the serum from the vault,
8833
88341898
883501:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,751
8836that's kind of when you reveal
8837what's in there.
8838
88391899
884001:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,511
8841BALL: Mmm-hmm. I don't know,
8842it says "serum vault." (LAUGHS)
8843
88441900
884501:17:05,640 --> 01:17:06,675
8846NOWLIN: Does it?
8847BALL: I think so.
8848
88491901
885001:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,353
8851NOWLIN: Why would you
8852put the sign up? (LAUGHS)
8853
88541902
885501:17:08,440 --> 01:17:10,158
8856BALL: It's for your question
8857right there.
8858
88591903
886001:17:10,240 --> 01:17:11,639
8861NOWLIN: Yeah, okay.
8862
88631904
886401:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,030
8865BALL: But again, I think people
8866just kind of go with it.
8867
88681905
886901:17:14,120 --> 01:17:15,155
8870I don't think...
8871
88721906
887301:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,073
8874HARTWICK JR.: Well, and Thomas also
8875has a line about the serum, so...
8876
88771907
887801:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,474
8879BALL: I think Gally even says so.
8880Yeah.
8881
88821908
888301:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,756
8884HARTWICK JR.: Yeah, "I'll get the serum
8885and meet you guys out back." Yeah.
8886
88871909
888801:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,790
8889BALL: I think you just go with it.
8890
88911910
889201:17:27,880 --> 01:17:29,359
8893HARTWICK JR.: This is a good scene.
8894
88951911
889601:17:29,440 --> 01:17:30,760
8897BALL: Yeah, this is a cool scene.
8898
88991912
890001:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,400
8901NOWLIN: So this was something...
8902We had outlined the heist,
8903
89041913
890501:17:33,480 --> 01:17:35,756
8906the major beats of the heist.
8907
89081914
890901:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,359
8910And this was one
8911that was kind of missing.
8912
89131915
891401:17:37,440 --> 01:17:38,669
8915And it was like
8916you were just riding through...
8917
89181916
891901:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,673
8920They get in the elevator. All right,
8921what if Janson walks in the elevator?
8922
89231917
892401:17:41,800 --> 01:17:43,916
8925And then the scene
8926just kind of writes itself.
8927
89281918
892901:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,911
8930BALL: Yeah, this is one of those cases
8931where it works
8932
89331919
893401:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,718
8935because of what's come before.
8936
89371920
893801:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,837
8939Like, on its own, this is one
8940of the longest shots in the movie.
8941
89421921
894301:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,118
8944I just sit here in one shot, you know,
8945and just watch them,
8946
89471922
894801:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,430
8949you know, be uncomfortable. (CHUCKLES)
8950
89511923
895201:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,558
8953Our sound designer Ai-Ling
8954did a good job on the movie, too.
8955
89561924
895701:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,039
8958She'd been on all three movies.
8959
89601925
896101:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,556
8962You know, actually mixed
8963the movie, too, this time.
8964
89651926
896601:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,235
8967She had this really subtle,
8968kind of like a high-pitched whine
8969
89701927
897101:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,436
8972that's getting louder and louder
8973over the entire scene
8974
89751928
897601:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,158
8977so it adds to this
8978kind of level of tension.
8979
89801929
898101:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,277
8982As the floors go.
8983
89841930
898501:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,920
8986It is the longest elevator in history,
8987but who cares. You go with it.
8988
89891931
899001:18:17,000 --> 01:18:17,990
8991NOWLIN: Yeah. 'Cause it's also Janson...
8992BALL: But what was so funny
8993
89941932
899501:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,514
8996- is right here...
8997- NOWLIN: The little look? Yeah.
8998
89991933
900001:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,398
9001BALL: When he says, you know,
9002"Thomas is here."
9003
90041934
900501:18:21,480 --> 01:18:24,279
9006And then in the background you see
9007the two guys look at each other.
9008
90091935
901001:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,193
9011I put a little squeak
9012of a sound effect, you know?
9013
90141936
901501:18:27,280 --> 01:18:28,918
9016- (LAUGHTER)
9017- It's just funny.
9018
90191937
902001:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,673
9021And I remember
9022in our last test screening
9023
90241938
902501:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,195
9026people just kept laughing through
9027the entire scene, in a good way.
9028
90291939
903001:18:33,280 --> 01:18:34,953
9031NOWLIN: You're supposed to, yeah.
9032It's that type of scene.
9033
90341940
903501:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,360
9036BALL: An uncomfortable laughter thing,
9037you know?
9038
90391941
904001:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,153
9041NOWLIN: There's also Janson there
9042at his most Littlefinger.
9043
90441942
904501:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,355
9046BALL: Yeah.
9047HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
9048
90491943
905001:18:39,440 --> 01:18:40,874
9051BALL: We give him a better death though.
9052
90531944
905401:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,520
9055NOWLIN: I liked his death.
9056BALL: I said we give him a better death.
9057
90581945
905901:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,159
9060NOWLIN: I said I liked
9061his death in Game of Thrones.
9062
90631946
906401:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,032
9065BALL: It was okay.
9066I thought they shortchanged him.
9067
90681947
906901:18:47,120 --> 01:18:48,349
9070(HARTWICK JR. CHUCKLES)
9071
90721948
907301:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,314
9074Are you going to kill him?
9075
90761949
907701:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,478
9078Would that be a problem?
9079
90801950
908101:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,193
9082(ELEVATOR DOOR OPENS)
9083
90841951
908501:19:01,160 --> 01:19:02,150
9086This is me.
9087
90881952
908901:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,119
9090BALL: Yeah, it's a good little
9091fun scene.
9092
90931953
909401:19:05,200 --> 01:19:06,759
9095NOWLIN: Also, that little moment,
9096this is a little subtle thing,
9097
90981954
909901:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,717
9100but when she says,
9101"Are you going to kill him?"
9102
91031955
910401:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,074
9105She's obviously thinking
9106about the situation. She...
9107
91081956
910901:19:10,160 --> 01:19:11,150
9110BALL: Thinking about the size
9111there in a way. Yeah.
9112
91131957
911401:19:11,240 --> 01:19:12,230
9115NOWLIN: Well, she's...
9116It's setting up...
9117
91181958
911901:19:12,360 --> 01:19:13,395
9120BALL: She's starting to.
9121
91221959
912301:19:13,480 --> 01:19:14,834
9124NOWLIN: It's setting up a decision
9125she makes later,
9126
91271960
912801:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,436
9129she's not willing to let Thomas go,
9130but she needs to protect him.
9131
91321961
913301:19:18,520 --> 01:19:19,919
9134She needs to make sure
9135he doesn't get himself killed.
9136
91371962
913801:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,115
9139BALL: There's a line...
9140
91411963
914201:19:21,200 --> 01:19:22,952
9143Even in the second movie,
9144she says, "I can't...
9145
91461964
914701:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,872
9148"I made a deal with them
9149to protect you guys."
9150
91511965
915201:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,519
9153NOWLIN: Well, no, now that
9154she's suspecting
9155
91561966
915701:19:26,600 --> 01:19:27,829
9158that he's the cure
9159is kind of what I mean,
9160
91611967
916201:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,117
9163is the idea that she needs to make sure
9164that he doesn't get himself killed.
9165
91661968
916701:19:31,200 --> 01:19:32,713
9168BALL: What I'm saying also
9169there's a line for her.
9170
91711969
917201:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,314
9173There's a line she won't cross,
9174that she won't betray.
9175
91761970
917701:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,198
9178You know, at some level,
9179I know that they're...
9180
91811971
918201:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,079
9183That's the start of it, she's starting
9184to kind of feel that out I think.
9185
91861972
918701:19:40,160 --> 01:19:45,075
9188And us as an audience, that there is,
9189regardless of what she believes in,
9190
91911973
919201:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,117
9193there is... She won't...
9194
91951974
919601:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,272
9197NOWLIN: Kill him.
9198BALL: Yeah. She won't kill Thomas.
9199
92001975
920101:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,237
9202NOWLIN: She'll just put them
9203through hell.
9204
92051976
920601:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,390
9207BALL: Mmm-hmm.
9208
92091977
921001:19:55,480 --> 01:19:56,515
9211NOWLIN: But you'll live.
9212
92131978
921401:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,477
9215BALL: We even had a thing though,
9216that was her design
9217
92181979
921901:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,278
9220of the new procedure on Minho.
9221
92221980
922301:20:00,360 --> 01:20:01,794
9224Instead of putting him
9225in the maze again...
9226
92271981
922801:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,235
9229It was her more humane way of...
9230
92311982
923201:20:04,360 --> 01:20:05,430
9233You know, extracting the serum.
9234
92351983
923601:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,511
9237NOWLIN: It's just a little hard
9238to swallow. It's like, who is this girl?
9239
92401984
924101:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,079
9242- (NOWLIN LAUGHS)
9243- BALL: Yeah, right, exactly.
9244
92451985
924601:20:09,680 --> 01:20:10,670
9247It's a little silly, but...
9248
92491986
925001:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,274
9251NOWLIN: How many PhDs
9252does this 22-year-old girl have?
9253
92541987
925501:20:13,360 --> 01:20:14,350
9256BALL: Yeah, right.
9257
92581988
925901:20:14,440 --> 01:20:16,875
9260Well, in the books,
9261they all designed the maze, you know?
9262
92631989
926401:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,429
9265When they're 14 or something.
9266
92671990
926801:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,833
9269I think the movie's always been a little
9270bit more grown-up than the books.
9271
92721991
927301:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,877
9274We've tried. And that's been
9275the challenge, and I think it's fine.
9276
92771992
927801:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,395
9279That line, you know, of believability.
9280
92811993
928201:20:29,480 --> 01:20:32,632
9283So I think we take
9284the movies fairly seriously.
9285
92861994
928701:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,950
9288There's not as much fantasy
9289as maybe the books were. So I...
9290
92911995
929201:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,152
9293NOWLIN: I think it came
9294to the first movie...
9295
92961996
929701:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,197
9298BALL: We make it very real,
9299and especially the first movie. And...
9300
93011997
930201:20:39,280 --> 01:20:40,600
9303NOWLIN: Well, you had this vision,
9304I think,
9305
93061998
930701:20:40,680 --> 01:20:42,432
9308of this rustic kind of handmade world.
9309
93101999
931101:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,592
9312There weren't pre-existing structures
9313in the Glade, and so it kind of put...
9314
93152000
931601:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,159
9317BALL: Yeah, there's no holograms.
9318There's no underground maze.
9319
93202001
932101:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,277
9322NOWLIN: Yeah, so ideas of like
9323the Flat Trans and the telepathy...
9324
93252002
932601:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,874
9327BALL: Trying to make it
9328as believable as possible.
9329
93302003
933101:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,633
9332And that kind of echoes
9333throughout all the movies.
9334
93352004
933601:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,314
9337And sometimes it's hard
9338where some of the concepts
9339
93402005
934101:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,438
9342are difficult to portray
9343in such a realistic light, you know?
9344
93452006
934601:20:59,520 --> 01:21:00,840
9347But we do our best.
9348
93492007
935001:21:03,040 --> 01:21:04,758
9351NOWLIN: It's a nice moment.
9352It's kind of, "Why did you do that?"
9353
93542008
935501:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,951
9356BALL: Again, there's something
9357nice about, in this movie,
9358
93592009
936001:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,317
9361it has a lot of unspoken moments
9362between the characters, you know?
9363
93642010
936501:21:10,400 --> 01:21:11,435
9366Which is nice.
9367
93682011
936901:21:11,520 --> 01:21:12,510
9370NOWLIN: Well, it's something
9371we learned, too,
9372
93732012
937401:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,113
9375on the second movie
9376that it's not always about scenes.
9377
93782013
937901:21:14,200 --> 01:21:15,554
9380It's about moments within scenes.
9381
93822014
938301:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,629
9384Janson, I need them alive.
9385
93862015
938701:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,517
9388- Come on. Come on!
9389- GUARD: All right, let's move!
9390
93912016
939201:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,671
9393GUARD 2: Yes, sir! Level three, now!
9394
93952017
939601:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,554
9397NOWLIN: He should have told the soldier,
9398"She doesn't tell me what to do."
9399
94002018
940101:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,552
9402BALL: (LAUGHS) Who is she?
9403
94042019
940501:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,236
9406NOWLIN: This is one of my favorite
9407little Gally moments. (CHUCKLES)
9408
94092020
941001:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,431
9411BALL: Yeah, he gets a laugh.
9412This always gets a laugh here.
9413
94142021
941501:21:37,520 --> 01:21:38,749
9416And that kid was really good.
9417
94182022
941901:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,798
9420This whole group here of these extras,
9421they were fantastic.
9422
94232023
942401:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,109
9425They were really...
9426Hats off to them all.
9427
94282024
942901:21:43,200 --> 01:21:44,190
9430They were really fantastic.
9431
94322025
943301:21:44,280 --> 01:21:45,793
9434They sat in the train with us,
9435on the bus with us.
9436
94372026
943801:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,513
9439Hung off the bus upside down with them.
9440
94412027
944201:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,398
9443They were great. They never complained.
9444
94452028
944601:21:49,480 --> 01:21:50,800
9447They just had a great time.
9448
94492029
945001:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,272
9451It was one of my best experiences
9452with extras I've had on a movie.
9453
94542030
945501:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,550
9456The score here I love, too. This is like
9457one of John's early scores.
9458
94592031
946001:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,200
9461He just kind of like...
9462Just whipped it out one day real quick.
9463
94642032
946501:22:04,280 --> 01:22:08,035
9466It was just like,
9467"Try this out. See how it feels."
9468
94692033
947001:22:08,120 --> 01:22:09,952
9471And I said "This is great."
9472
94732034
947401:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,792
9475And I put it all over this scene,
9476
94772035
947801:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,430
9479this whole reel, reel five, that's
9480just basically the building heist.
9481
94822036
948301:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,591
9484And then he started
9485kind of going and tinkering with it
9486
94872037
948801:22:17,680 --> 01:22:18,670
9489and adding more stuff to it.
9490
94912038
949201:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,639
9493I said, "No, no, no." Just go back to...
9494Just something very simple.
9495
94962039
949701:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,358
9498And there's like a beat to it.
9499
95002040
950101:22:23,440 --> 01:22:24,794
9502It has, like, a rhythm to it.
9503
95042041
950501:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,791
9506It kind of reminds me of Heat
9507or something in a way, you know?
9508
95092042
951001:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,035
9511NOWLIN: Sure.
9512
95132043
951401:22:28,120 --> 01:22:29,269
9515Yeah, yeah, yeah, the bank heist.
9516
95172044
951801:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,237
9519It's more of a pulse
9520and a kind of tone...
9521
95222045
952301:22:31,320 --> 01:22:32,390
9524BALL: Yeah.
9525NOWLIN: Like a pace.
9526
95272046
952801:22:32,480 --> 01:22:34,118
9529BALL: See, even the way it's shot
9530though, the movie isn't...
9531
95322047
953301:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,714
9534it's shot very real.
9535It's not super slick.
9536
95372048
953801:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,199
9539It's very handheld and, you know...
9540
95412049
954201:22:38,280 --> 01:22:39,759
9543The wandering cameras, you know?
9544
95452050
954601:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,478
9547It's not like...
9548
95492051
955001:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,353
9551It's got its own kind of energy
9552and tension to it,
9553
95542052
955501:22:44,480 --> 01:22:45,515
9556you know what I mean?
9557
95582053
955901:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,631
9560Which was fun to do. I really liked this
9561little section of the movie, really.
9562
95632054
956401:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,592
9565NOWLIN: But how are they gonna
9566get out of this, you know?
9567
95682055
956901:22:53,680 --> 01:22:54,750
9570BALL: Yeah.
9571
95722056
957301:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,638
9574That was another thing. That little shot
9575of them hiding in the closet...
9576
95772057
957801:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,711
9579NOWLIN: That was new.
9580That wasn't in the script, yeah.
9581
95822058
958301:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,553
9584BALL: I just felt like when we were
9585shooting it, I needed an out.
9586
95872059
958801:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,596
9589If we weren't gonna... I didn't know
9590if I was gonna use it or not,
9591
95922060
959301:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,273
9594but I needed like some way to say
9595
95962061
959701:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,954
9598for the time I was gonna be down here
9599with them, where were they?
9600
96012062
960201:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,157
9603And if I just left them in a place,
9604
96052063
960601:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,198
9607I feel like it gave us a little bit
9608of license to just, you know...
9609
96102064
961101:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,790
9612Not just have them walking the halls for
9613five minutes, you know what I mean?
9614
96152065
961601:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,399
9617GUARD: Got someone here.
9618
96192066
962001:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,756
9621BALL: I always saw this scene
9622this way, too,
9623
96242067
962501:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,433
9626where it's like you see it
9627from her point of view
9628
96292068
963001:23:37,520 --> 01:23:41,036
9631and then you know, don't really go
9632into a close-up of the guys
9633
96342069
963501:23:41,160 --> 01:23:42,639
9636walking closer.
9637
96382070
963901:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,633
9640There's something scary about it
9641from her world.
9642
96432071
964401:23:46,400 --> 01:23:47,959
9645Except this shot. It's a funny shot.
9646
96472072
964801:23:48,080 --> 01:23:49,070
9649Hold on!
9650
96512073
965201:23:50,680 --> 01:23:54,560
9653BALL: And so there's a driver,
9654a stunt driver right behind Brenda here.
9655
96562074
965701:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,470
9658And that's who's driving,
9659looking over her shoulder.
9660
96612075
966201:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,791
9663And so that bus is really moving
9664and that guy really almost got hit.
9665
96662076
966701:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,837
9668It was fun. It was fun to do.
9669
96702077
967101:24:05,120 --> 01:24:06,190
9672GUARD: Load up! Load up!
9673
96742078
967501:24:06,360 --> 01:24:07,873
9676Let's go! Move it!
9677
96782079
967901:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,439
9680Move! Move!
9681
96822080
968301:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,196
9684ANNOUNCER: All R-16 personnel,
9685report to their assigned stations.
9686
96872081
968801:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,154
9689BALL: Yeah, I thought
9690we needed this moment, too,
9691
96922082
969301:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,749
9694just, like, Thomas finally coming
9695face-to-face with Ava,
9696
96972083
969801:24:18,840 --> 01:24:22,435
9699that idea of "I'm gonna kill Ava Paige"
9700and he has the chance here in a way.
9701
97022084
970301:24:22,520 --> 01:24:23,919
9704And I think it's still ambiguous
9705
97062085
970701:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,436
9708whether or not he does take a shot
9709or not, you know, is the question.
9710
97112086
971201:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,796
9713Before Janson starts shooting.
9714
97152087
971601:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,234
9717And this is really where everything
9718just spirals out of control and...
9719
97202088
972101:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,233
9722I mean, the bus is gone.
9723The way out is gone.
9724
97252089
972601:24:38,320 --> 01:24:39,469
9727They haven't gotten Minho yet.
9728
97292090
973001:24:39,560 --> 01:24:40,789
9731We don't know where he is, you know?
9732
97332091
973401:24:40,880 --> 01:24:41,915
9735How are they gonna...
9736
97372092
973801:24:42,000 --> 01:24:42,990
9739NOWLIN: Now they're just
9740shooting their way through. Right.
9741
97422093
974301:24:43,080 --> 01:24:44,115
9744BALL: Yeah, and now they just...
9745It's just crazy.
9746
97472094
974801:24:44,200 --> 01:24:45,235
9749Now they're running in the maze
9750
97512095
975201:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,311
9753instead of the Grievers chasing,
9754it's Janson with his army.
9755
97562096
975701:24:48,520 --> 01:24:49,510
9758And it's just fun.
9759
97602097
976101:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,557
9762The walls are kind of closing in
9763around them, you know?
9764
97652098
976601:24:51,640 --> 01:24:52,755
9767And then...
9768
97692099
977001:24:52,840 --> 01:24:53,830
9771NOWLIN: This was always one of my...
9772
97732100
977401:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,309
9775I thought would be one of
9776the coolest moments of them just...
9777
97782101
977901:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,437
9780They lose control and they're
9781just screaming for Minho
9782
97832102
978401:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,033
9785and then him hearing them, you know?
9786
97872103
978801:25:00,120 --> 01:25:01,110
9789It was cool.
9790
97912104
979201:25:03,800 --> 01:25:04,870
9793BALL: Yeah, and building that tension of
9794
97952105
979601:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,315
9797What's gonna happen to Minho?
9798And then you kind of call back.
9799
98002106
980101:25:07,400 --> 01:25:09,198
9802That thing he did with Teresa.
9803
98042107
980501:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,271
9806He's still got it, and you know...
9807
98082108
980901:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,273
9810Kind of a little bit of a Sarah Connor
9811thing from Terminator 2.
9812
98132109
981401:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,317
9815NOWLIN: It's also, for Minho,
9816it's the moment we've been waiting for.
9817
98182110
981901:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,311
9820Where the Minho we know and love
9821comes back.
9822
98232111
982401:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,994
9825BALL: Yeah, right. It'd be a shame if it
9826was just the guys come in and free him.
9827
98282112
982901:25:21,080 --> 01:25:22,832
9830NOWLIN: Yeah. He can't be
9831a damsel, yeah.
9832
98332113
983401:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,116
9835BALL: Yeah, he's gotta do his part,
9836too, in a way,
9837
98382114
983901:25:25,200 --> 01:25:26,599
9840which I thought was cool.
9841
98422115
984301:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,911
9844- And I always love this.
9845- NOWLIN: Oof!
9846
98472116
984801:25:31,040 --> 01:25:32,360
9849BALL: (LAUGHS) I think you don't
9850know it, but it's cool.
9851
98522117
985301:25:32,480 --> 01:25:33,595
9854NOWLIN: Sure seems like he shot him.
9855
98562118
985701:25:33,680 --> 01:25:34,829
9858BALL: Well, that's what
9859it's supposed to... (LAUGHS)
9860
98612119
986201:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,115
9863But Minho's fast, so.
9864
98652120
986601:25:36,200 --> 01:25:37,429
9867NOWLIN: Yeah.
9868BALL: He ducked.
9869
98702121
987101:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,269
9872BALL: And pay attention to the next time
9873you see that guard.
9874
98752122
987601:25:42,360 --> 01:25:43,589
9877Yeah. That's Jake,
9878the actor Jake, and...
9879
98802123
988101:25:43,680 --> 01:25:44,909
9882You see he's all beat up,
9883
98842124
988501:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,911
9886so there's a little off-screen story
9887that took place there.
9888
98892125
989001:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,593
9891NOWLIN: Minho just gave him a little...
9892
98932126
989401:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,515
9895BALL: So this is kind of calling back,
9896sort of those things from the book
9897
98982127
989901:25:51,600 --> 01:25:52,590
9900and the second movie.
9901
99022128
990301:25:52,680 --> 01:25:53,795
9904There's kind of, you know...
9905
99062129
990701:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,598
9908James described these
9909kind of electrical grenades.
9910
99112130
991201:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,591
9913You know, that we tried to keep.
9914
99152131
991601:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,718
9917These are non-lethal kind of weapons
9918that they would use.
9919
99202132
992101:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,194
9922NOWLIN: But it's also
9923this is how WICKED captured...
9924
99252133
992601:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,749
9927BALL: That was a real shot by the way.
9928He, Newt... That was the third take.
9929
99302134
993101:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,276
9932Newt really threw that thing and it just
9933perfectly spun out right in that spot.
9934
99352135
993601:26:08,360 --> 01:26:09,589
9937It was just awesome.
9938
99392136
994001:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,796
9941- And this moment is...
9942- NOWLIN: But that's the same weapon...
9943
99442137
994501:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,034
9946BALL: In one of our
9947test screenings anyway,
9948
99492138
995001:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,839
9951was the biggest,
9952"took the house down" reaction.
9953
99542139
995501:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,399
9956It was amazing, you know?
9957
99582140
995901:26:18,480 --> 01:26:21,518
9960Like when he just, you know,
9961Minho hulks out,
9962
99632141
996401:26:21,600 --> 01:26:22,874
9965just there they are.
9966
99672142
996801:26:22,960 --> 01:26:24,109
9969They just screamed.
9970
99712143
997201:26:24,240 --> 01:26:25,878
9973They were screaming
9974over this entire moment here.
9975
99762144
997701:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,553
9978They couldn't even hear
9979what he said there.
9980
99812145
998201:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,553
9983Hopefully we'll get that in the wild,
9984out in the wild.
9985
99862146
998701:26:30,640 --> 01:26:31,675
9988A little lighting stuff.
9989
99902147
999101:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,479
9992This little moment here
9993was actually meant for earlier,
9994
99952148
999601:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,154
9997but I put it later so that it felt like
9998Janson's closing in.
9999
100002149
1000101:26:37,240 --> 01:26:38,719
10002Which I thought worked really well.
10003
100042150
1000501:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,120
10006And if you actually look
10007what Janson's seeing,
10008
100092151
1001001:26:40,200 --> 01:26:41,679
10011there's actually
10012only two guys running away.
10013
100142152
1001501:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,950
10016It's not all three of them
10017'cause it was from earlier.
10018
100192153
1002001:26:44,040 --> 01:26:45,792
10021But I don't think anyone notices.
10022
100232154
1002401:26:46,120 --> 01:26:47,155
10025In here, in here.
10026
100272155
1002801:26:52,040 --> 01:26:53,360
10029(GRUNTS)
10030
100312156
1003201:26:54,360 --> 01:26:55,714
10033Newt, come on.
10034
100352157
1003601:27:01,440 --> 01:27:02,839
10037BALL: Let's see. We had another version.
10038
100392158
1004001:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,070
10041- It wasn't them jumping out, right?
10042- NOWLIN: Sliding, yeah.
10043
100442159
1004501:27:05,160 --> 01:27:06,798
10046BALL: Yeah.
10047I had this version in Vancouver
10048
100492160
1005001:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,874
10051where it was gonna be they were gonna
10052jump out of the window onto a sloped...
10053
100542161
1005501:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,873
10056The design of the building was gonna be
10057kind of angled, sloped.
10058
100592162
1006001:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,157
10061They were gonna slide down
10062this gigantic huge glass slide.
10063
100642163
1006501:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,517
10066And it just turned out to be
10067a really complicated thing to pull off.
10068
100692164
1007001:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,194
10071And so when we went to Cape Town
10072and we had that year off,
10073
100742165
1007501:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,716
10076I found this pond outside
10077of the convention center.
10078
100792166
1008001:27:26,800 --> 01:27:27,949
10081I was like what if they did like
10082
100832167
1008401:27:28,040 --> 01:27:29,394
10085a Butch Cassidy
10086and the Sundance Kid-style thing
10087
100882168
1008901:27:29,480 --> 01:27:30,675
10090and jumped out of the place?
10091
100922169
1009301:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,037
10094And then we started slowly working
10095our way into this one shot,
10096
100972170
1009801:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,873
10099you know, of just them falling
10100out the window and into the pond.
10101
101022171
1010301:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,871
10104And I think it turned out really cool.
10105It was fun.
10106
101072172
1010801:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,519
10109NOWLIN: There was a moment
10110in the test screening
10111
101122173
1011301:27:40,600 --> 01:27:41,749
10114where this shot hadn't been done,
10115
101162174
1011701:27:41,840 --> 01:27:43,513
10118so they turned into naked
10119white mannequins,
10120
101212175
1012201:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,193
10123- just motionless dropping and...
10124- BALL: Hmm... (LAUGHS)
10125
101262176
1012701:27:45,640 --> 01:27:46,869
10128NOWLIN: You know,
10129it's one of the hard things
10130
101312177
1013201:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,315
10133about testing a movie
10134with so many visual effects, right?
10135
101362178
1013701:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,152
10138BALL: That's why every time
10139you get your scores,
10140
101412179
1014201:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,119
10143you always think about, you know,
10144you'll go up a bit
10145
101462180
1014701:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,033
10148when your VFX and your mixes and your
10149sound and everything's done.
10150
101512181
1015201:27:57,120 --> 01:27:58,269
10153You know, so...
10154
101552182
1015601:27:58,360 --> 01:27:59,794
10157But the fact that we got
10158such high scores, you know...
10159
101602183
1016101:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,070
10162NOWLIN: Yeah, it's worth pointing out.
10163We scored well with no effects.
10164
101652184
1016601:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,195
10167BALL: Yeah.
10168
101692185
1017001:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,590
10171Actually we had probably
10172a rougher test screening
10173
101742186
1017501:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,194
10176than we had in the previous two
10177because it was...
10178
101792187
1018001:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,875
10181Our post window on this was so much
10182shorter than our other movies.
10183
101842188
1018501:28:11,960 --> 01:28:13,314
10186NOWLIN: There you go, book fans.
10187
101882189
1018901:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,596
10190BALL: Yeah, that's right. We added
10191those lines in there for them.
10192
101932190
1019401:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,876
10195I know they're out of order. They're not
10196exactly like it was in the movie...
10197
101982191
1019901:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,474
10200in the books, but they're the best
10201we could come up with.
10202
102032192
1020401:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,471
10205NOWLIN: Well, when you grow up
10206you can make your own movies.
10207
102082193
1020901:28:22,560 --> 01:28:23,914
10210BALL: And that's the shot.
10211
102122194
1021301:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,320
10214So the guys really did jump out
10215
102162195
1021701:28:25,400 --> 01:28:28,313
10218of something onto a 20-foot little pad.
10219
102202196
1022101:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,277
10222And the camera
10223really did jump out with them.
10224
102252197
1022601:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,000
10227And then WETA took over in CG
10228
102292198
1023001:28:33,120 --> 01:28:37,114
10231and kind of went CG doubles
10232and went into the water.
10233
102342199
1023501:28:38,440 --> 01:28:40,670
10236And this night, man,
10237it was freezing cold.
10238
102392200
1024001:28:40,760 --> 01:28:41,830
10241It was winter when we shot this.
10242
102432201
1024401:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,759
10245It was summer in the United States,
10246
102472202
1024801:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,316
10249but being on the other hemisphere,
10250it was winter in Cape Town.
10251
102522203
1025301:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,314
10254And it was freezing cold in this water,
10255and they kind of...
10256
102572204
1025801:28:52,400 --> 01:28:53,629
10259They suffered through it.
10260
102612205
1026201:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,597
10263And we had just off camera a Jacuzzi
10264
102652206
1026601:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,830
10267that in between takes they
10268would jump into to get warm.
10269
102702207
1027101:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,309
10272NOWLIN: That's a good idea.
10273'Cause they stay wet, you know?
10274
102752208
1027601:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,357
10277BALL: But, you know,
10278tensions always run high on these days
10279
102802209
1028101:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,073
10282and there were a lot of, you know...
10283
102842210
1028501:29:04,160 --> 01:29:05,195
10286NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm. Yeah.
10287HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
10288
102892211
1029001:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,510
10291BALL: People yelling sometimes,
10292including myself saying,
10293
102942212
1029501:29:07,600 --> 01:29:08,829
10296"Let's go faster. Come on."
10297
102982213
1029901:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,150
10300But another good little moment
10301just to bring Gally back into the fold.
10302
103032214
1030401:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,030
10305Here.
10306
103072215
1030801:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,997
10309Uh-uh-uh! Don't even think about it.
10310
103112216
1031201:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,033
10313Get on your knees
10314with your hands in the air.
10315
103162217
1031701:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,512
10318You son of a bitch. (SCREAMING)
10319
103202218
1032101:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,591
10322NOWLIN: That's good, the...
10323BALL: That little voice there.
10324
103252219
1032601:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,040
10327NOWLIN: Yeah.
10328BALL: You son of a...
10329
103302220
1033101:29:34,120 --> 01:29:35,633
10332- That's our editor Dan doing that.
10333- NOWLIN: That was great.
10334
103352221
1033601:29:35,720 --> 01:29:36,949
10337BALL: He did a really good job in temp.
10338
103392222
1034001:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,394
10341And we just ended up
10342using it in the movie.
10343
103442223
1034501:29:38,480 --> 01:29:40,630
10346Too bad he didn't have
10347long locks of hair
10348
103492224
1035001:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,393
10351that just flew as he pulls his mask off.
10352
103532225
1035401:29:42,520 --> 01:29:43,874
10355NOWLIN: Sure, it would have been nice.
10356BALL: It would have been amazing.
10357
103582226
1035901:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,156
10360NOWLIN: Unfortunately Will couldn't
10361grow the hair out.
10362
103632227
1036401:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,115
10365BALL: This is a funny moment, too.
10366
103672228
1036801:29:48,200 --> 01:29:49,235
10369It's just, you know, "What!"
10370
103712229
1037201:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,751
10373We could sit there and explain
10374everything to him, but it's better...
10375
103762230
1037701:29:52,840 --> 01:29:54,399
10378- To just let's leave it and move on.
10379- NOWLIN: Explain later.
10380
103812231
1038201:29:54,480 --> 01:29:55,754
10383Well, of course we're not going to.
10384
103852232
1038601:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,239
10387- But that's something we kept realizing.
10388- BALL: See, there you can see, Jake.
10389
103902233
1039101:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,550
10392He's all beat up to hell,
10393like you can imagine.
10394
103952234
1039601:29:59,640 --> 01:30:01,677
10397Minho did a number on this guy.
10398
103992235
1040001:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,398
10401NOWLIN: If we get so caught up
10402in the story,
10403
104042236
1040501:30:03,480 --> 01:30:05,994
10406like even in the script, we're like
10407"Oh, yeah, shit, you know, we have..."
10408
104092237
1041001:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,515
10411People have to keep reacting to the fact
10412that Gally's alive.
10413
104142238
1041501:30:09,480 --> 01:30:10,470
10416BALL: Right.
10417
104182239
1041901:30:11,840 --> 01:30:12,955
10420NOWLIN: Meanwhile...
10421
104222240
1042301:30:16,000 --> 01:30:20,358
10424BALL: Yeah, and that little fun
10425little side set piece thing.
10426
104272241
1042801:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,913
10429NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm. Now, in terms of
10430run time, this was the one thing
10431
104322242
1043301:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,038
10434that was kind of potentially
10435on the chopping block, you know?
10436
104372243
1043801:30:27,120 --> 01:30:28,155
10439BALL: Yeah.
10440
104412244
1044201:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,470
10443Who knows, maybe in a couple of years
10444I'll look back and regret not cutting it
10445
104462245
1044701:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,518
10448but it is a fun sequence
10449and it's fun to know what happened,
10450
104512246
1045201:30:33,600 --> 01:30:38,356
10453what was Brenda and Frypan's
10454contribution to this heist, you know?
10455
104562247
1045701:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,077
10458NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm. Yeah. Without this,
10459you lose Frypan completely.
10460
104612248
1046201:30:42,160 --> 01:30:43,309
10463BALL: Yeah.
10464
104652249
1046601:30:43,400 --> 01:30:44,720
10467NOWLIN: And it's also the idea that...
10468
104692250
1047001:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,110
10471Yeah, we leave her getting chased
10472by a bunch of vehicles.
10473
104742251
1047501:30:47,200 --> 01:30:48,270
10476BALL: That I don't question.
10477
104782252
1047901:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,556
10480You know, you imagine they went
10481off-screen and went into the tunnels.
10482
104832253
1048401:30:50,640 --> 01:30:51,630
10485NOWLIN: Sure.
10486BALL: Its fine, but...
10487
104882254
1048901:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,472
10490NOWLIN: We set up the problem
10491of these walls.
10492
104932255
1049401:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,278
10495You're now escaping
10496within a walled-off city.
10497
104982256
1049901:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,590
10500BALL: Yeah, but you saw him
10501easily walk into the city... (LAUGHS)
10502
105032257
1050401:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,518
10505So I just feel like you go with it.
10506
105072258
1050801:30:59,640 --> 01:31:03,031
10509But it is a nice little bit of fun
10510
105112259
1051201:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,554
10513before the movie gets really heavy
10514
105152260
1051601:31:04,640 --> 01:31:08,599
10517with a lot of emotional stuff
10518with Newt and Teresa.
10519
105202261
1052101:31:08,680 --> 01:31:12,560
10522So it's nice to just have
10523one last little shot in the arm
10524
105252262
1052601:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,792
10527of fun adrenaline victory,
10528you know what I mean?
10529
105302263
1053101:31:15,880 --> 01:31:17,598
10532A complete victory, you know?
10533
105342264
1053501:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,830
10536You actually...
10537Thomas and the gang got out
10538
105392265
1054001:31:19,920 --> 01:31:24,312
10541and Brenda and the kids got out in this
10542kind of spectacular way, you know?
10543
105442266
1054501:31:24,400 --> 01:31:27,518
10546NOWLIN: It's also one of those really
10547sticky, memorable kind of scenes...
10548
105492267
1055001:31:27,600 --> 01:31:28,635
10551BALL: Yeah, and the idea was...
10552
105532268
1055401:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,154
10555NOWLIN: You're not just shooting.
10556You're fighting, you know?
10557
105582269
1055901:31:30,240 --> 01:31:34,074
10560BALL: And the idea was that we
10561originally were gonna have Brenda say,
10562
105632270
1056401:31:34,160 --> 01:31:35,639
10565"Don't worry, we do this all the time."
10566
105672271
1056801:31:35,760 --> 01:31:37,956
10569Which is kind of the callback to...
10570We did something similar
10571
105722272
1057301:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,270
10574with the Berg lifting the train
10575off the things.
10576
105772273
1057801:31:40,360 --> 01:31:41,350
10579NOWLIN: Yeah. It didn't really land.
10580
105812274
1058201:31:41,440 --> 01:31:42,475
10583BALL: Yeah, it didn't really work,
10584
105852275
1058601:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,591
10587but hopefully it comes across
10588that it's very...
10589
105902276
1059101:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,469
10592It's somewhat similar to what we set up
10593in the opening sequence with the train.
10594
105952277
1059601:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,153
10597- And if you look closely, there's an X.
10598- NOWLIN: Or we're just out of ideas.
10599
106002278
1060101:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,197
10602- BALL: Maybe.
10603- (NOWLIN CHUCKLES)
10604
106052279
1060601:31:56,440 --> 01:31:57,953
10607There's an X on the ground.
10608
106092280
1061001:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,678
10611Only I regret calling it out,
10612but whatever...
10613
106142281
1061501:32:02,280 --> 01:32:06,478
10616Is that when Brenda stopped the bus,
10617I wish I had the cars pulling up
10618
106192282
1062001:32:06,840 --> 01:32:07,875
10621and not already sitting there.
10622
106232283
1062401:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,752
10625- So, this is kind of convenient.
10626- NOWLIN: Yeah.
10627
106282284
1062901:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,195
10630BALL: (LAUGHING) They're sitting
10631right where the X is.
10632
106332285
1063401:32:13,000 --> 01:32:14,434
10635I don't know, we just ran out of time.
10636
106372286
1063801:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,033
10639NOWLIN: No. I wouldn't have
10640noticed that if you didn't.
10641
106422287
1064301:32:17,120 --> 01:32:18,110
10644BALL: Yeah, you kind of go with it,
10645
106462288
1064701:32:18,200 --> 01:32:19,998
10648but if you really think about it,
10649it's a little convenient.
10650
106512289
1065201:32:20,960 --> 01:32:22,712
10653NOWLIN: It is like
10654where they hijack the Berg.
10655
106562290
1065701:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,270
10658You're going to one point where
10659you know that you have an advantage.
10660
106612291
1066201:32:27,400 --> 01:32:28,470
10663That's fun.
10664
106652292
1066601:32:28,560 --> 01:32:29,959
10667BALL: So, we really did
10668hang the kids up.
10669
106702293
1067101:32:30,040 --> 01:32:32,236
10672We didn't do this.
10673That's obviously a CG bus up there,
10674
106752294
1067601:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,994
10677but we actually did
10678hang the bus up 90 degrees,
10679
106802295
1068101:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,515
10682and all these kids were in there,
10683for real.
10684
106852296
1068601:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,194
10687Very uncomfortable, but they're wired in
10688
106892297
1069001:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,033
10691and we just shot this sequence.
10692
106932298
1069401:32:46,680 --> 01:32:47,829
10695Shit.
10696
106972299
1069801:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,918
10699BALL: A lot of the city, it should
10700be known, that's all CG behind 'em.
10701
107022300
1070301:32:53,400 --> 01:32:54,595
10704Obviously, this is CG.
10705
107062301
1070701:32:54,680 --> 01:32:56,717
10708NOWLIN: (CHUCKLES) These poor kids.
10709
107102302
1071101:32:56,840 --> 01:32:58,831
10712BALL: You see their hair
10713and all that stuff. It's really real.
10714
107152303
1071601:32:58,920 --> 01:33:02,470
10717Some people think we're just cheating.
10718We actually really did it.
10719
107202304
1072101:33:02,560 --> 01:33:03,994
10722It's only five feet off the ground,
10723
107242305
1072501:33:04,080 --> 01:33:08,278
10726but they've been hanging up
10727for 10 minutes at a time.
10728
107292306
1073001:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,920
10731And you say,
10732"Okay, guys, just one more time!"
10733
107342307
1073501:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,194
10736And then we do,
10737"One more take! One more take!
10738
107392308
1074001:33:13,280 --> 01:33:14,270
10741"Just keep the camera rolling!
10742
107432309
1074401:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,391
10745"Okay, let him down!"
10746And they all have to get off
10747
107482310
1074901:33:16,480 --> 01:33:18,676
10750and let the blood rush
10751back to their head.
10752
107532311
1075401:33:18,760 --> 01:33:20,751
10755NOWLIN: Hurry, Frypan. (CHUCKLES)
10756
107572312
1075801:33:20,880 --> 01:33:22,678
10759BALL: Yeah, it's just a fun sequence,
10760I think.
10761
107622313
1076301:33:23,640 --> 01:33:25,392
10764Hold on to something!
10765
107662314
1076701:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,999
10768(ALL SCREAMING)
10769
107702315
1077101:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,276
10772(SCREAMING CONTINUES)
10773
107742316
1077501:33:37,040 --> 01:33:38,235
10776(THUDS)
10777
107782317
1077901:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,793
10780BALL: And we really dropped the bus.
10781We really did drop this thing.
10782
107832318
1078401:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,712
10785And this is actually
10786the same wall that we used.
10787
107882319
1078901:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,314
10790We shot Thomas and them
10791when they're on the wall.
10792
107932320
1079401:33:47,400 --> 01:33:51,519
10795And we really towed a bus in there
10796and hung it upside down.
10797
107982321
1079901:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,513
10800And hung it up 90 degrees
10801and actually dropped it.
10802
108032322
1080401:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,592
10805No one was in it, of course.
10806But yeah, it was fun.
10807
108082323
1080901:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,320
10810And that was an accident.
10811That out-of-service sign. (LAUGHS)
10812
108132324
1081401:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,914
10815It was not planned. It just worked out.
10816
108172325
1081801:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,479
10819I had it planned to come on in this shot
10820where I had control over it.
10821
108222326
1082301:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,790
10824So, while the bus
10825was hanging 90 degrees...
10826
108272327
1082801:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,029
10829It's too hard to get to it.
10830
108312328
1083201:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,430
10833No one was allowed to go near the bus
10834in case something happens or falls.
10835
108362329
1083701:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,033
10838So, we had to go
10839and pre-program the sign.
10840
108412330
1084201:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,236
10843Of course, we turned off all the lights
10844and all that stuff.
10845
108462331
1084701:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,197
10848And we dropped the bus
10849and something shorted out,
10850
108512332
1085201:34:19,280 --> 01:34:20,714
10853- and the light turned on.
10854- (LAUGHTER)
10855
108562333
1085701:34:20,840 --> 01:34:22,239
10858And that was one of those perfect little
10859
108602334
1086101:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,153
10862serendipitous things
10863that was meant to be.
10864
108652335
1086601:34:31,440 --> 01:34:35,354
10867And that's our first real view
10868of the vault room now.
10869
108702336
1087101:34:35,480 --> 01:34:39,030
10872But we have some other scenes
10873where we got to see it in there.
10874
108752337
1087601:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,880
10877And this is cool, too,
10878just seeing him and her.
10879
108802338
1088101:34:43,880 --> 01:34:45,075
10882They don't like each other.
10883
108842339
1088501:34:45,640 --> 01:34:50,635
10886He obviously already decided
10887he's not with her anymore.
10888
108892340
1089001:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,394
10891She's given up and he's not going to.
10892
108932341
1089401:34:54,120 --> 01:34:55,315
10895NOWLIN: I couldn't hear.
10896Did he still say his line?
10897
108982342
1089901:34:55,400 --> 01:34:56,595
10900- "They're not out yet?"
10901- BALL: Yeah.
10902
109032343
1090401:34:56,680 --> 01:34:57,715
10905NOWLIN: Okay, cool.
10906
109072344
1090801:34:58,160 --> 01:34:59,309
10909That's another good throw though.
10910
109112345
1091201:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,110
10913HARTWICK JR.: This is the last location
10914we ever found, I think.
10915
109162346
1091701:35:03,200 --> 01:35:05,555
10918BALL: Yeah, it was a tough one.
10919HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
10920
109212347
1092201:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,916
10923BALL: It turned out okay.
10924HARTWICK JR.: Yeah, it's cool-looking.
10925
109262348
1092701:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,516
10928BALL: Just looking for that place
10929where they're hiding.
10930
109312349
1093201:35:11,640 --> 01:35:13,517
10933HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
10934BALL: On the run still.
10935
109362350
1093701:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,550
10938BALL: Anywhere we could go
10939that kind of suggests that...
10940
109412351
1094201:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,475
10943They weren't outside the walls,
10944they're still inside.
10945
109462352
1094701:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,757
10948We had to do something that was bright,
10949but still secretive somehow.
10950
109512353
1095201:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,351
10953And it's nice to...
10954We actually struggled...
10955
109562354
1095701:35:26,440 --> 01:35:28,317
10958Talked about cutting this scene, too,
10959
109602355
1096101:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,313
10962but it's nice to have Minho and Newt
10963
109642356
1096501:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,789
10966actually have a moment together,
10967you know?
10968
109692357
1097001:35:33,880 --> 01:35:34,870
10971NOWLIN: Yeah. And Minho and Gally,
10972
109732358
1097401:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,713
10975it's like you gotta appreciate Minho
10976back with his friends, you know?
10977
109782359
1097901:35:37,800 --> 01:35:39,234
10980BALL: Mmm-hmm. Yeah, it's good.
10981
109822360
1098301:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,672
10984How long has he been like this?
10985
109862361
1098701:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,555
10988He'll be okay.
10989We just gotta get to Brenda.
10990
109912362
1099201:35:48,040 --> 01:35:49,917
10993She's got the serum.
10994
109952363
1099601:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,559
10997Come on, let's go.
10998
109992364
1100001:35:51,760 --> 01:35:53,159
11001Hey, Newt.
11002
110032365
1100401:35:53,320 --> 01:35:54,879
11005Come on, bud.
11006We gotta get you up. Let's go.
11007
110082366
1100901:35:55,040 --> 01:35:56,269
11010- (NEWT GRUNTS)
11011- Whoa, whoa, whoa!
11012
110132367
1101401:35:56,400 --> 01:35:57,879
11015- You okay?
11016- NEWT: Yeah.
11017
110182368
1101901:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,790
11020NOWLIN: But this would have been
11021where we would have revealed
11022
110232369
1102401:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,439
11025the infection if we had held it off.
11026
110272370
1102801:36:02,520 --> 01:36:03,794
11029BALL: Yeah, right.
11030We would have shot this scene here
11031
110322371
1103301:36:03,880 --> 01:36:05,029
11034where he's like,
11035"What's going on, Newt?"
11036
110372372
1103801:36:05,120 --> 01:36:06,190
11039And then he would have shown it.
11040
110412373
1104201:36:06,320 --> 01:36:07,993
11043And then all three of them
11044would find out here,
11045
110462374
1104701:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,356
11048and then suddenly
11049after having that victory we get,
11050
110512375
1105201:36:10,440 --> 01:36:11,714
11053oh, my gosh, a new development,
11054
110552376
1105601:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,394
11057which could have been really good,
11058but at the same time, who knows?
11059
110602377
1106101:36:14,480 --> 01:36:17,518
11062It might have been maybe the fact
11063that knowing Newt's sick earlier
11064
110652378
1106601:36:17,600 --> 01:36:19,159
11067- helps people go with it.
11068- NOWLIN: Yeah, maybe it's too late.
11069
110702379
1107101:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,072
11072Maybe people don't want
11073a new development, you know?
11074
110752380
1107601:36:21,160 --> 01:36:25,233
11077BALL: We never got really a chance
11078to test it, so we'll never know.
11079
110802381
1108101:36:25,320 --> 01:36:28,278
11082Yeah, the moment where she...
11083
110842382
1108501:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,317
11086I actually like that
11087we don't see it at first.
11088
110892383
1109001:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,710
11091We just see her reaction.
11092
110932384
1109401:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,394
11095And let's just prolong this,
11096the moment later.
11097
110982385
1109901:36:37,280 --> 01:36:38,509
11100BRENDA: Lawrence!
11101
111022386
1110301:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,234
11104BALL: Hopefully this reads. I do miss...
11105
111062387
1110701:36:40,320 --> 01:36:41,993
11108There's one scene that
11109I miss that we cut,
11110
111112388
1111201:36:42,080 --> 01:36:46,790
11113and it was Brenda calling Thomas
11114on the walkies and seeing,
11115
111162389
1111701:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,837
11118and basically explaining
11119that Lawrence is gone
11120
111212390
1112201:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,389
11123and going into detail
11124about what's going on
11125
111262391
1112701:36:51,480 --> 01:36:53,357
11128and Gally being surprised by that.
11129
111302392
1113101:36:53,440 --> 01:36:57,070
11132We cut it out here and just says
11133Lawrence is gone, that no one's here.
11134
111352393
1113601:36:57,160 --> 01:36:58,639
11137And we just cut to where Lawrence is.
11138
111392394
1114001:36:58,720 --> 01:37:00,393
11141I think people go with it,
11142but it isn't...
11143
111442395
1114501:37:00,480 --> 01:37:02,756
11146It certainly isn't as good of a throw
11147as the other one, but...
11148
111492396
1115001:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,912
11151Again, it was just,
11152unfortunately it was a...
11153
111542397
1115501:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,630
11156a pretty big pressure
11157to cut the movie down.
11158
111592398
1116001:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,876
11161And it's already
11162two hours and 21 minutes
11163
111642399
1116501:37:11,960 --> 01:37:13,678
11166so it's the longest movie
11167of all of them.
11168
111692400
1117001:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,115
11171NOWLIN: It's the same sort of transition
11172that's basically question/answer.
11173
111742401
1117501:37:16,200 --> 01:37:17,349
11176Where's Lawrence? Here he is.
11177
111782402
1117901:37:17,440 --> 01:37:19,078
11180What's he doing?
11181We're about to find out.
11182
111832403
1118401:37:19,160 --> 01:37:20,230
11185BALL: It works.
11186
111872404
1118801:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,631
11189If you ask the question,
11190it's just it'd be nice to see
11191
111922405
1119301:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,429
11194I think Gally's reaction saying,
11195"What do you mean he's gone?"
11196
111972406
1119801:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,114
11199There's something cool about that,
11200this wasn't quite...
11201
112022407
1120301:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,470
11204NOWLIN: Gally's not in on it,
11205I think, is important.
11206
112072408
1120801:37:32,560 --> 01:37:36,315
11209BALL: Which I think still comes across,
11210but it's not as effective.
11211
112122409
1121301:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,232
11214NOWLIN: But Walton's so much fun.
11215
112162410
1121701:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,756
11218BALL: Yeah, Walton, man. He is awesome.
11219
112202411
1122101:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,274
11222He is so great to work with.
11223
112242412
1122501:37:43,360 --> 01:37:45,112
11226He just really throws himself
11227into this stuff.
11228
112292413
1123001:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,113
11231And actually the first night...
11232
112332414
1123401:37:48,200 --> 01:37:50,874
11235'Cause he had that hood on his head
11236and he was walking through that tunnel.
11237
112382415
1123901:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,520
11240When he's first walking through.
11241
112422416
1124301:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,750
11244And there was a really low beam
11245and he couldn't see it
11246
112472417
1124801:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,956
11249and he smacked himself
11250right in the forehead.
11251
112522418
1125301:37:58,040 --> 01:37:59,314
11254You know, gashed his head.
11255
112562419
1125701:37:59,400 --> 01:38:00,834
11258It was bleeding and he was like, "Ah!"
11259
112602420
1126101:38:00,920 --> 01:38:02,877
11262We're like, "Oh, no, what happened?"
11263
112642421
1126501:38:02,960 --> 01:38:04,473
11266And we didn't know what we're gonna do
11267
112682422
1126901:38:04,560 --> 01:38:05,959
11270and he says,
11271"All right, let's go again, come on."
11272
112732423
1127401:38:06,040 --> 01:38:12,355
11275And so for all these scenes, basically,
11276there's this welt on Walton's forehead,
11277
112782424
1127901:38:12,440 --> 01:38:14,590
11280- which kind of blends into the makeup.
11281- NOWLIN: It works, yeah...
11282
112832425
1128401:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,079
11285BALL: But he just acted through it, man.
11286
112872426
1128801:38:16,200 --> 01:38:18,794
11289He's a trooper, man.
11290He's just fantastic.
11291
112922427
1129301:38:18,880 --> 01:38:22,839
11294And he just really commits and he got
11295this whole crowd wound up.
11296
112972428
1129801:38:22,920 --> 01:38:24,115
11299And he was like in between takes
11300
113012429
1130201:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,510
11303and he was just keeping them,
11304kind of, you know... He was just great.
11305
113062430
1130701:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,353
11308He's an awesome guy to work with.
11309
113102431
1131101:38:29,440 --> 01:38:31,636
11312- Everybody, actually.
11313- NOWLIN: Just in general, actually.
11314
113152432
1131601:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,199
11317I think he played it
11318a little differently.
11319
113202433
1132101:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,032
11322Remember when we first cast him...
11323
113242434
1132501:38:35,120 --> 01:38:38,272
11326We were watching The Hateful Eight
11327and I think it was just...
11328
113292435
1133001:38:38,360 --> 01:38:39,919
11331- We're writing dialogue.
11332- BALL: Yeah.
11333
113342436
1133501:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,673
11336NOWLIN: It was a really big performance
11337and he came in
11338
113392437
1134001:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,956
11341- and did it really kind of quiet and...
11342- BALL: Differently, yeah.
11343
113442438
1134501:38:47,240 --> 01:38:48,514
11346Determined.
11347
113482439
1134901:38:50,400 --> 01:38:51,879
11350But it's cool.
11351It's draws attention to it
11352
113532440
1135401:38:51,960 --> 01:38:54,474
11355and it's kind of sets up
11356what his real plan was.
11357
113582441
1135901:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,234
11360His ultimate agenda
11361was just to, you know,
11362
113632442
1136401:38:57,320 --> 01:39:01,109
11365his time is up, but he's gonna
11366go out with a bang.
11367
113682443
1136901:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,790
11370That's all CG behind him, everything.
11371It's kind of crazy.
11372
113732444
1137401:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,151
11375It's a cool little music cue, too,
11376from John.
11377
113782445
1137901:39:11,240 --> 01:39:13,470
11380Has a good, building tension
11381
113822446
1138301:39:13,560 --> 01:39:16,791
11384that's just like, oh, my God,
11385something huge is about to happen.
11386
113872447
1138801:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,234
11389And I love that he's just kind of...
11390
113912448
1139201:39:18,320 --> 01:39:19,469
11393NOWLIN: But this is the payoff of,
11394
113952449
1139601:39:19,560 --> 01:39:21,312
11397"I'll help you get past the cameras
11398and the security.
11399
114002450
1140101:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,232
11402- "You put this device in... "
11403- BALL: Right.
11404
114052451
1140601:39:23,320 --> 01:39:24,799
11407NOWLIN: But it also gives him
11408control of their guns.
11409
114102452
1141101:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,156
11412BALL: Right, which I think comes across.
11413NOWLIN: So now he can do what he wanted.
11414
114152453
1141601:39:27,240 --> 01:39:28,230
11417Yeah, it does, but I mean...
11418
114192454
1142001:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,357
11421BALL: That was the intent,
11422that he was looking for an opportunity.
11423
114242455
1142501:39:30,440 --> 01:39:31,635
11426Thomas presented him an opportunity.
11427
114282456
1142901:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,075
11430He used Thomas to get access to the guns
11431
114322457
1143301:39:34,160 --> 01:39:38,631
11434and now he's gonna blow everything up
11435with this huge gigantic explosion.
11436
114372458
1143801:39:39,040 --> 01:39:40,269
11439(LAUGHS)
11440
114412459
1144201:39:42,680 --> 01:39:43,829
11443- (EXPLOSIONS)
11444- (ALL SCREAMING)
11445
114462460
1144701:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,160
11448NOWLIN: This was kind of
11449Gally's moment of...
11450
114512461
1145201:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,800
11453BALL: And the sirens go on.
11454
114552462
1145601:40:01,880 --> 01:40:03,359
11457NOWLIN: This is kind of
11458the culmination here.
11459
114602463
1146101:40:03,440 --> 01:40:04,760
11462It's the idea that he had a new family.
11463
114642464
1146501:40:04,840 --> 01:40:05,830
11466BALL: Yeah, yeah.
11467
114682465
1146901:40:05,920 --> 01:40:07,240
11470NOWLIN: But they weren't
11471what he thought he was.
11472
114732466
1147401:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,960
11475HARTWICK JR.: I miss the line though,
11476you know, "Gally, come with us."
11477
114782467
1147901:40:10,040 --> 01:40:11,917
11480NOWLIN: It was a blocking thing, right?
11481But I mean, it was the...
11482
114832468
1148401:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,832
11485At the end of the first movie,
11486Thomas says, "Gally, come with us,"
11487
114882469
1148901:40:13,920 --> 01:40:14,910
11490and Gally refuses.
11491
114922470
1149301:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,594
11494And now he goes with his friends and...
11495
114962471
1149701:40:17,680 --> 01:40:22,151
11498By this point in the story,
11499he's kind of proven himself and...
11500
115012472
1150201:40:22,240 --> 01:40:23,275
11503He gets to go with them.
11504
115052473
1150601:40:25,440 --> 01:40:27,909
11507BALL: Yeah, I mean, now basically,
11508Dylan says, "Gally, come on."
11509
115102474
1151101:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,156
11512It's kinda much more subtle,
11513
115142475
1151501:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,959
11516but it is the idea
11517of Thomas telling him "Let's go."
11518
115192476
1152001:40:33,040 --> 01:40:34,917
11521NOWLIN: I think maybe
11522what doesn't work about "come with us"
11523
115242477
1152501:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,354
11526is it doesn't feel like
11527as big of a decision.
11528
115292478
1153001:40:36,440 --> 01:40:38,795
11531Like, of course he would go with them.
11532I think we're there already.
11533
115342479
1153501:40:38,880 --> 01:40:39,870
11536BALL: That's the problem, yeah.
11537
115382480
1153901:40:39,960 --> 01:40:42,634
11540We didn't come up to a place
11541where we never had a scene
11542
115432481
1154401:40:42,720 --> 01:40:44,154
11545where he says,
11546"Well, we'll go our separate ways."
11547
115482482
1154901:40:44,240 --> 01:40:45,355
11550NOWLIN: Whereas in the Maze Runner,
11551we literally
11552
115532483
1155401:40:45,440 --> 01:40:48,512
11555had the line that people crossed
11556to stand with Thomas, you know?
11557
115582484
1155901:40:48,600 --> 01:40:50,193
11560BALL: That's why it didn't work
11561on the day.
11562
115632485
1156401:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,669
11565It just felt unearned or something.
11566
115672486
1156801:40:54,920 --> 01:40:56,991
11569And this is the culmination.
11570Thomas is the cure.
11571
115722487
1157301:40:57,080 --> 01:40:58,070
11574NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
11575
115762488
1157701:40:59,920 --> 01:41:00,910
11578BALL: Which is a tricky thing to do.
11579
115802489
1158101:41:01,000 --> 01:41:05,153
11582NOWLIN: It's the one idea that really
11583stinks of "YA." The one, you know?
11584
115852490
1158601:41:05,240 --> 01:41:08,392
11587But it also gives us so much.
11588It gives us so much.
11589
115902491
1159101:41:08,480 --> 01:41:10,198
11592- It's the answer.
11593- BALL: It's the books, too, yeah.
11594
115952492
1159601:41:10,280 --> 01:41:12,590
11597NOWLIN: It is the books, but it's...
11598It's also very different though.
11599
116002493
1160101:41:12,680 --> 01:41:14,273
11602In the book, the idea that Thomas is...
11603
116042494
1160501:41:14,360 --> 01:41:15,919
11606BALL: They had to dissect his brain
11607or something like that.
11608
116092495
1161001:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,435
11611NOWLIN: Well, yeah, they need to kill
11612and it's still the idea of sacrifice.
11613
116142496
1161501:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,433
11616But I didn't feel in the books that
11617there was as much of Thomas wrestling
11618
116192497
1162001:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,079
11621with the implications of that.
11622
116232498
1162401:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,276
11625Basically, that means that
11626they can use him as bait
11627
116282499
1162901:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,715
11630to get him in, so he can plant
11631the device and turn on the gun,
11632
116332500
1163401:41:27,800 --> 01:41:29,916
11635- so they can attack WICKED.
11636- BALL: Right.
11637
116382501
1163901:41:30,000 --> 01:41:30,990
11640NOWLIN: And in this case,
11641I think it's interesting that
11642
116432502
1164401:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,117
11645when he does find out
11646right when he's losing Newt,
11647
116482503
1164901:41:33,200 --> 01:41:34,599
11650which is also from the books,
11651
116522504
1165301:41:34,680 --> 01:41:37,035
11654that it creates this implication of
11655what is my responsibility, you know?
11656
116572505
1165801:41:37,120 --> 01:41:38,599
11659BALL: Yeah, right.
11660I can actually save...
11661
116622506
1166301:41:38,680 --> 01:41:40,671
11664And he starts to come over
11665and see Teresa's side.
11666
116672507
1166801:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,320
11669If you can save the world,
11670do you, you know?
11671
116722508
1167301:41:44,240 --> 01:41:45,594
11674NOWLIN: Teresa's story at
11675the end of the second movie...
11676
116772509
1167801:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,114
11679BALL: He needed his version of that.
11680
116812510
1168201:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,039
11683NOWLIN: He needs to lose
11684someone close to him.
11685
116862511
1168701:41:49,120 --> 01:41:50,679
11688BALL: He needed to lose someone
11689to the virus that he could've helped.
11690
116912512
1169201:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,878
11693As a movie,
11694it was a more efficient way to get...
11695
116962513
1169701:41:55,960 --> 01:41:58,554
11698NOWLIN: Did you put a Wilhelm in there?
11699BALL: Yeah, I put a Wilhelm in there.
11700
117012514
1170201:41:58,640 --> 01:41:59,630
11703I love that.
11704
117052515
1170601:41:59,720 --> 01:42:02,758
11707And there's a CG guy flying off
11708with the smoke on him and everything.
11709
117102516
1171101:42:02,840 --> 01:42:03,830
11712It's awesome.
11713
117142517
1171501:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,355
11716But this stuff, we shot it
11717in four hours. It was crazy.
11718
117192518
1172001:42:06,440 --> 01:42:07,919
11721We took over the street
11722and just went crazy.
11723
117242519
1172501:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,320
11726NOWLIN: This was something
11727you couldn't have done in Vancouver.
11728
117292520
1173001:42:09,400 --> 01:42:11,960
11731BALL: No. And there's another
11732big giant drone shot I just love.
11733
117342521
1173501:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,077
11736Everything's in CG
11737except the buildings, basically.
11738
117392522
1174001:42:14,160 --> 01:42:15,480
11741So, it was a clean plate.
11742
117432523
1174401:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,598
11745So, all the crowds, all the smoke,
11746all the explosions, it's all CG.
11747
117482524
1174901:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,320
11750NOWLIN: Maybe it's because
11751drones are kind of still somewhat new.
11752
117532525
1175401:42:21,400 --> 01:42:24,074
11755I'm still trying to
11756get used to drone shots in movies.
11757
117582526
1175901:42:24,200 --> 01:42:26,589
11760I get used to
11761the movement of a crane, you know,
11762
117632527
1176401:42:26,680 --> 01:42:28,353
11765and what you can do with a crane.
11766
117672528
1176801:42:28,440 --> 01:42:31,159
11769Suddenly, the camera's doing things
11770that seem impossible, you know?
11771
117722529
1177301:42:31,240 --> 01:42:32,913
11774We're not gonna make it.
11775
117762530
1177701:42:34,480 --> 01:42:36,357
11778Wait, what are you talking about?
11779
117802531
1178101:42:36,520 --> 01:42:38,033
11782- Don't let them get away!
11783- (GUNFIRE)
11784
117852532
1178601:42:38,200 --> 01:42:40,271
11787Just take the others.
11788Get everybody out...
11789
117902533
1179101:42:40,440 --> 01:42:41,839
11792while you still can.
11793
117942534
1179501:42:42,520 --> 01:42:43,590
11796No.
11797
117982535
1179901:42:44,880 --> 01:42:46,109
11800Brenda.
11801
118022536
1180301:42:47,400 --> 01:42:48,959
11804I'm not leaving you.
11805
118062537
1180701:42:49,720 --> 01:42:50,755
11808Okay?
11809
118102538
1181101:42:51,560 --> 01:42:53,278
11812So forget it.
11813
118142539
1181501:42:55,720 --> 01:42:56,710
11816BALL: I thought it was interesting.
11817
118182540
1181901:42:56,800 --> 01:43:00,430
11820We shot this in one take, basically,
11821one shot, you know?
11822
118232541
1182401:43:00,520 --> 01:43:02,397
11825Again, not doing much coverage and stuff
11826
118272542
1182801:43:02,480 --> 01:43:05,040
11829and just letting it play
11830kind of in silhouette, you know?
11831
118322543
1183301:43:05,120 --> 01:43:07,714
11834With the war raging out behind them.
11835I thought it was cool.
11836
118372544
1183801:43:08,720 --> 01:43:10,279
11839NOWLIN: And it helps
11840Giancarlo's moment here.
11841
118422545
1184301:43:10,360 --> 01:43:11,998
11844You need that "all is lost."
11845
118462546
1184701:43:12,120 --> 01:43:14,111
11848He's coming in at just the right moment
11849to give the right...
11850
118512547
1185201:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,555
11853BALL: If they don't have a way out,
11854they're not gonna make it.
11855
118562548
1185701:43:16,640 --> 01:43:20,634
11858Then that thing that we set up earlier.
11859You got a long way to go, you know?
11860
118612549
1186201:43:20,720 --> 01:43:21,710
11863A long road ahead of you.
11864
118652550
1186601:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,035
11867NOWLIN: And hopefully,
11868if the audience tracks
11869
118702551
1187101:43:23,120 --> 01:43:24,440
11872before things go wrong in the heist,
11873
118742552
1187501:43:24,520 --> 01:43:25,999
11876they all should've been on that bus.
11877
118782553
1187901:43:26,080 --> 01:43:27,354
11880You know, they should all be there,
11881
118822554
1188301:43:27,440 --> 01:43:29,397
11884get on the Berg,
11885fly away and everything's fine.
11886
118872555
1188801:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,709
11889The fact that Minho wasn't where
11890they thought he would be
11891
118922556
1189301:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,758
11894is what separated them
11895and now they gotta go back for him.
11896
118972557
1189801:43:38,320 --> 01:43:40,470
11899BALL: Yeah, and then
11900we got to bring back Barry.
11901
119022558
1190301:43:41,200 --> 01:43:42,315
11904It was just a scheduling thing.
11905
119062559
1190701:43:42,400 --> 01:43:46,678
11908I couldn't get Harriet and...
11909
119102560
1191101:43:46,760 --> 01:43:48,239
11912Or Kat and Nathalie back.
11913
119142561
1191501:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,436
11916For some reason,
11917they weren't available this day.
11918
119192562
1192001:43:50,520 --> 01:43:53,558
11921And I wanted them to be in there, too.
11922
119232563
1192401:43:53,640 --> 01:43:56,837
11925So, the group that we left behind
11926comes back to help, too, you know?
11927
119282564
1192901:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,309
11930I think it is powerful to have Barry,
11931
119322565
1193301:43:59,400 --> 01:44:01,914
11934who was against this suicide mission.
11935
119362566
1193701:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,514
11938He comes back and sees that, you know,
11939they needed my help.
11940
119412567
1194201:44:04,600 --> 01:44:05,920
11943I'm gonna do it, you know?
11944
119452568
1194601:44:06,520 --> 01:44:07,590
11947NOWLIN: Look at what Thomas did.
11948
119492569
1195001:44:07,720 --> 01:44:09,233
11951BALL: Yeah,
11952it's not just one man anymore.
11953
119542570
1195501:44:09,320 --> 01:44:10,469
11956It's a bunch of people.
11957
119582571
1195901:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,870
11960It's the thing he fights and dies for,
11961you know?
11962
119632572
1196401:44:12,960 --> 01:44:14,678
11965NOWLIN: In fact, these kids
11966would've been lost
11967
119682573
1196901:44:14,760 --> 01:44:16,353
11970no matter what if Thomas hadn't come
11971
119722574
1197301:44:16,440 --> 01:44:17,999
11974and now he's stuck in there.
11975
119762575
1197701:44:18,080 --> 01:44:20,435
11978We owe it to him to do what we can
11979to get him out.
11980
119812576
1198201:44:22,440 --> 01:44:24,909
11983BALL: I love Barry, too.
11984He's great to work with.
11985
119862577
1198701:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,071
11988Actually Giancarlo,
11989all of them, everybody.
11990
119912578
1199201:44:27,160 --> 01:44:30,198
11993I'm really lucky to have
11994such great actors that
11995
119962579
1199701:44:30,280 --> 01:44:34,877
11998give everything
11999and do such a good job with everything.
12000
120012580
1200201:44:34,960 --> 01:44:36,519
12003NOWLIN: Really hard to give
12004everyone their due.
12005
120062581
1200701:44:38,160 --> 01:44:39,833
12008So many characters.
12009
120102582
1201101:44:39,960 --> 01:44:42,190
12012BALL: We do it as well as we can though
12013within the time we have though.
12014
120152583
1201601:44:42,280 --> 01:44:45,272
12017NOWLIN: While focusing and making sure
12018that the priority is the story.
12019
120202584
1202101:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,271
12022BALL: It's really Thomas
12023and Teresa's story with Newt.
12024
120252585
1202601:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,920
12027NOWLIN: Really, yeah.
12028BALL: Really, that's the story.
12029
120302586
1203101:44:51,760 --> 01:44:52,750
12032BALL: This time.
12033
120342587
1203501:44:53,320 --> 01:44:56,278
12036But, fortunately, every movie has
12037their own little feature, I think.
12038
120392588
1204001:44:56,360 --> 01:45:00,035
12041It's like Minho is kinda featured
12042in the first and second movie
12043
120442589
1204501:45:00,120 --> 01:45:02,191
12046and he gets to...
12047
120482590
1204901:45:02,280 --> 01:45:04,430
12050He comes back in the story of course
12051in this one in a big way,
12052
120532591
1205401:45:04,520 --> 01:45:05,669
12055and I think he makes a big impact.
12056
120572592
1205801:45:05,760 --> 01:45:09,799
12059But, this Gally guy has a nice role
12060in this movie and then...
12061
120622593
1206301:45:12,520 --> 01:45:13,919
12064Hopefully, it'll be
12065one of those movie series
12066
120672594
1206801:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,276
12069that everyone has their favorites.
12070
120712595
1207201:45:16,360 --> 01:45:17,509
12073I'm a Temple of Doom guy.
12074
120752596
1207601:45:19,200 --> 01:45:20,998
12077NOWLIN: Like you said,
12078when you put all three together,
12079
120802597
1208101:45:21,080 --> 01:45:23,799
12082everybody has their arc
12083and their moment.
12084
120852598
1208601:45:25,040 --> 01:45:26,030
12087This is an important moment.
12088
120892599
1209001:45:28,160 --> 01:45:30,356
12091We get a lot of tweets about this,
12092about the fact that Minho and Newt
12093
120942600
1209501:45:30,440 --> 01:45:32,158
12096would've known each other longer
12097
120982601
1209901:45:32,240 --> 01:45:35,790
12100than pretty much
12101any other relationship in the story.
12102
121032602
1210401:45:35,880 --> 01:45:36,870
12105HARTWICK JR.: That's the shame about
12106
121072603
1210801:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,030
12109having to cut out
12110that other scene though
12111
121122604
1211301:45:38,120 --> 01:45:40,509
12114when he says about how Minho saved him.
12115
121162605
1211701:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,919
12118That "Thank you, Minho"
12119would've meant so much more.
12120
121212606
1212201:45:47,880 --> 01:45:50,190
12123NOWLIN: Yeah, I would've liked to have
12124given Minho one more line there, but...
12125
121262607
1212701:45:52,120 --> 01:45:54,919
12128BALL: I think it works. Simple. Clean.
12129
121302608
1213101:45:55,000 --> 01:45:56,229
12132Not a lot needs to be said.
12133
121342609
1213501:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,391
12136And I always
12137like this moment of him drifting off.
12138
121392610
1214001:45:58,480 --> 01:46:01,472
12141I like this idea that, you know,
12142something about lights
12143
121442611
1214501:46:01,560 --> 01:46:05,076
12146to infected people, as they're turning,
12147the sun starts to hurt or something.
12148
121492612
1215001:46:05,160 --> 01:46:06,753
12151They kinda get mesmerized by lights
12152or something.
12153
121542613
1215501:46:06,880 --> 01:46:07,870
12156Thought it was cool.
12157
121582614
1215901:46:07,960 --> 01:46:09,234
12160NOWLIN: Thomas is really,
12161really good in this, this scene.
12162
121632615
1216401:46:09,320 --> 01:46:10,390
12165BALL: Yeah, he did a really good job.
12166
121672616
1216801:46:10,480 --> 01:46:12,471
12169We'll see what happens
12170to some of the book fans.
12171
121722617
1217301:46:12,560 --> 01:46:13,630
12174I know I changed Newt's death,
12175
121762618
1217701:46:13,760 --> 01:46:17,913
12178but I think for the better,
12179for in terms of movies.
12180
121812619
1218201:46:18,600 --> 01:46:22,195
12183This is where the "Tell me, please"
12184fit in, was here.
12185
121862620
1218701:46:22,280 --> 01:46:25,352
12188NOWLIN: We've introduced this idea
12189that WICKED has been
12190
121912621
1219201:46:25,480 --> 01:46:28,393
12193harvesting these kids for serum
12194that can buy you time.
12195
121962622
1219701:46:28,480 --> 01:46:30,039
12198And they're looking for a cure.
12199
122002623
1220101:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,709
12202We have to do something with that.
12203
122042624
1220501:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,030
12206There is a way to save Newt.
12207
122082625
1220901:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,836
12210If you're just inches away,
12211it's more tragic.
12212
122132626
1221401:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,753
12215You were minutes away
12216from being able to save him,
12217
122182627
1221901:46:41,840 --> 01:46:43,592
12220which means that Thomas would never...
12221
122222628
1222301:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,115
12224It would never make sense for him
12225to intentionally shoot him.
12226
122272629
1222801:46:46,200 --> 01:46:47,918
12229BALL: Yeah, it just would have
12230never worked
12231
122322630
1223301:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,195
12234to just say, "Okay, I'll shoot you."
12235
122362631
1223701:46:50,040 --> 01:46:51,678
12238There's just no way to make it work.
12239
122402632
1224101:46:51,800 --> 01:46:52,995
12242NOWLIN: There's something
12243more interesting
12244
122452633
1224601:46:53,080 --> 01:46:54,195
12247about, like, Newt makes his own choice.
12248
122492634
1225001:46:54,280 --> 01:46:55,270
12251BALL: Yes, right.
12252
122532635
1225401:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,112
12255Newt sacrifices himself
12256to help the group
12257
122582636
1225901:46:57,200 --> 01:46:59,191
12260and help get Minho out
12261and all that stuff.
12262
122632637
1226401:46:59,680 --> 01:47:04,356
12265And Thomas also learns a valuable lesson
12266from his friend's sacrifice.
12267
122682638
1226901:47:04,480 --> 01:47:06,039
12270And that's what
12271kind of changes him as a person.
12272
122732639
1227401:47:06,120 --> 01:47:08,589
12275NOWLIN: Exactly, yeah. And he did
12276what he came here to do and...
12277
122782640
1227901:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,832
12280BALL: I think we milk it
12281as much as we can, this...
12282
122832641
1228401:47:13,480 --> 01:47:15,949
12285Also the love the two...
12286That he has for each other.
12287
122882642
1228901:47:16,040 --> 01:47:17,235
12290They have for each other, you know?
12291
122922643
1229301:47:20,720 --> 01:47:21,915
12294They'll do anything.
12295
122962644
1229701:47:22,000 --> 01:47:23,832
12298In fact, I always kinda felt that
12299even reading the book.
12300
123012645
1230201:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,309
12303I just never saw Thomas' character,
12304
123052646
1230601:47:26,400 --> 01:47:31,713
12307no matter what,
12308he would never shoot his friend, period.
12309
123102647
1231101:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,879
12312Even if he was chained up attacking him,
12313I say he wouldn't do it.
12314
123152648
1231601:47:34,960 --> 01:47:36,473
12317I just couldn't see it happening.
12318
123192649
1232001:47:38,080 --> 01:47:39,832
12321NOWLIN: It comes
12322from a completely hopeless place.
12323
123242650
1232501:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,833
12326But if the movie and the books are,
12327they're about a search for a cure.
12328
123292651
1233001:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,275
12331You wanna collapse those threads,
12332you know?
12333
123342652
1233501:47:46,200 --> 01:47:47,554
12336BALL: So hopefully, the fans
12337will somewhat
12338
123392653
1234001:47:47,640 --> 01:47:48,710
12341at least forgive us and hopefully we...
12342
123432654
1234401:47:49,480 --> 01:47:52,871
12345While different,
12346it's still just as effective for them.
12347
123482655
1234901:47:52,960 --> 01:47:56,032
12350NOWLIN: I just hope they, I don't know,
12351think critically about it.
12352
123532656
1235401:47:58,320 --> 01:47:59,515
12355TERESA: (ON PA, ECHOING)
12356Can you hear me?
12357
123582657
1235901:48:01,160 --> 01:48:02,514
12360BALL: And this was
12361kind of an interesting idea.
12362
123632658
1236401:48:04,360 --> 01:48:07,318
12365NOWLIN: This was another
12366post-Vancouver idea, I think.
12367
123682659
1236901:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,437
12370- Was it?
12371- BALL: Uh... No, no, definitely not.
12372
123732660
1237401:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,080
12375I remember we were all very worried
12376about this scene actually, 'cause...
12377
123782661
1237901:48:12,160 --> 01:48:15,232
12380It's on the edge of being cheesy,
12381but I think it works okay.
12382
123832662
1238401:48:16,040 --> 01:48:17,553
12385Any kind of "You are the one" is...
12386
123872663
1238801:48:17,640 --> 01:48:20,871
12389But also we're kind of the idea that
12390in the books...
12391
123922664
1239301:48:20,960 --> 01:48:25,193
12394Teresa can talk to Thomas in his head.
12395They have telepathic kinda talking.
12396
123972665
1239801:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,112
12399We obviously
12400weren't gonna do that in the movies.
12401
124022666
1240301:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,999
12404But this kind of feels like that
12405in a weird way.
12406
124072667
1240801:48:30,080 --> 01:48:31,639
12409NOWLIN: Well, that's why
12410I pushed the idea, originally.
12411
124122668
1241301:48:31,720 --> 01:48:34,155
12414It was just the moment of like...
12415You're totally in that moment.
12416
124172669
1241801:48:34,240 --> 01:48:36,038
12419And suddenly out of nowhere,
12420Thomas can hear me.
12421
124222670
1242301:48:36,800 --> 01:48:37,790
12424BALL: In some of these places,
12425
124262671
1242701:48:37,880 --> 01:48:40,076
12428we used some of the Thomasses
12429from the first movie
12430
124312672
1243201:48:40,200 --> 01:48:42,396
12433where, when he goes into his dreams
12434and he hears Teresa's voice.
12435
124362673
1243701:48:42,480 --> 01:48:43,550
12438NOWLIN: Really?
12439BALL: Yeah.
12440
124412674
1244201:48:43,640 --> 01:48:44,675
12443BALL: So, some of that stuff is in here.
12444
124452675
1244601:48:44,760 --> 01:48:46,080
12447That "Thomas, Thomas, can you hear me?
12448Can you hear me?"
12449
124502676
1245101:48:46,160 --> 01:48:47,150
12452NOWLIN: That's cool.
12453
124542677
1245501:48:47,240 --> 01:48:50,358
12456BALL: So, we're trying our best
12457to bring all that stuff back.
12458
124592678
1246001:48:51,280 --> 01:48:52,759
12461But being subtle about it.
12462
124632679
1246401:48:52,880 --> 01:48:54,473
12465And this day, for whatever reason,
12466
124672680
1246801:48:54,560 --> 01:48:58,474
12469we had this huge wind,
12470like 70-mile an hour gust, or something.
12471
124722681
1247301:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,757
12474So, this whole scene
12475with all this wind and fire and smoke,
12476
124772682
1247801:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,274
12479it just is.
12480
124812683
1248201:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,431
12483And it just was fantastic.
12484
124852684
1248601:49:05,520 --> 01:49:07,636
12487- It looks really great.
12488- NOWLIN: Fortuitous.
12489
124902685
1249101:49:07,720 --> 01:49:08,755
12492BALL: Yeah.
12493
124942686
1249501:49:08,840 --> 01:49:11,195
12496NOWLIN: I think Dylan
12497did a good job just listening
12498
124992687
1250001:49:11,280 --> 01:49:12,634
12501and taking in what she's saying.
12502
125032688
1250401:49:13,800 --> 01:49:15,996
12505I wanna hear this.
12506Let me try to turn up my volume.
12507
125082689
1250901:49:21,520 --> 01:49:22,510
12510Newt?
12511
125122690
1251301:49:23,680 --> 01:49:27,071
12514BALL: Obviously we get into Newt
12515that's not Newt anymore.
12516
125172691
1251801:49:27,160 --> 01:49:30,676
12519And this was take one of this moment
12520that I never got back to.
12521
125222692
1252301:49:30,760 --> 01:49:32,910
12524I kept shooting more takes and...
12525This is the one.
12526
125272693
1252801:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,834
12529And he actually doesn't have
12530the right contact lenses in actually.
12531
125322694
1253301:49:36,920 --> 01:49:38,115
12534But I just didn't care.
12535
125362695
1253701:49:38,200 --> 01:49:40,396
12538'Cause we had
12539different stages of contact lenses.
12540
125412696
1254201:49:40,480 --> 01:49:42,676
12543But just his look on his face
12544and everything,
12545
125462697
1254701:49:42,760 --> 01:49:44,558
12548it was just so chilling.
12549
125502698
1255101:49:44,680 --> 01:49:45,829
12552I thought it was great.
12553
125542699
1255501:49:45,920 --> 01:49:49,072
12556NOWLIN: Just kind of unaware, you know?
12557Oblivious.
12558
125592700
1256001:49:49,160 --> 01:49:52,391
12561BALL: It's not him, you know?
12562It just so felt like someone else.
12563
125642701
1256501:49:52,520 --> 01:49:55,831
12566And then this line, originally,
12567he said, "Tommy, help me."
12568
125692702
1257001:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,912
12571But I put in "Tommy, kill me,"
12572which was from the books.
12573
125742703
1257501:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,389
12576I'm trying to help
12577keep the fan thing down, you know?
12578
125792704
1258001:50:02,800 --> 01:50:03,870
12581I think it works still.
12582
125832705
1258401:50:06,520 --> 01:50:08,796
12585NOWLIN: There's something just brutal
12586about a gun.
12587
125882706
1258901:50:08,880 --> 01:50:10,154
12590I think it feels like an execution.
12591
125922707
1259301:50:12,280 --> 01:50:15,033
12594BALL: I am teasing a little bit
12595with the audience here.
12596
125972708
1259801:50:15,120 --> 01:50:16,474
12599The gun comes out and I think
12600
126012709
1260201:50:16,560 --> 01:50:18,471
12603maybe that's gonna happen
12604and I knock it away.
12605
126062710
1260701:50:20,640 --> 01:50:25,237
12608I like the idea that even the book fans
12609don't know what's gonna happen.
12610
126112711
1261201:50:25,320 --> 01:50:28,438
12613And, you know, it might be to...
12614
126152712
1261601:50:28,520 --> 01:50:31,990
12617Sometimes they'll be mad at me
12618for not going the same way.
12619
126202713
1262101:50:32,080 --> 01:50:33,912
12622They don't know what's gonna happen,
12623but that's the fun of movies.
12624
126252714
1262601:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,560
12627It's like why would you wanna go into
12628a movie knowing what's gonna happen?
12629
126302715
1263101:50:36,640 --> 01:50:39,200
12632Part of it's being swept up in it
12633and enjoying the ride and...
12634
126352716
1263601:50:39,320 --> 01:50:41,436
12637NOWLIN: I think this is great.
12638This, I don't know.
12639
126402717
1264101:50:41,520 --> 01:50:42,669
12642BALL: Yeah, it's good stuff I think.
12643
126442718
1264501:50:42,760 --> 01:50:45,115
12646I think it'll just be judged against
12647what they're expecting, you know?
12648
126492719
1265001:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,880
12651So we'll see how it goes.
12652Hopefully it'll be okay.
12653
126542720
1265501:50:48,000 --> 01:50:49,274
12656NOWLIN: Oof!
12657
126582721
1265901:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,431
12660BALL: And this was...
12661Basically we shot Chuck
12662
126632722
1266401:50:51,520 --> 01:50:53,272
12665in the first movie when he got stabbed.
12666
126672723
1266801:50:53,360 --> 01:50:56,318
12669And in this movie we, instead of
12670shooting Newt, we stab him, you know?
12671
126722724
1267301:50:56,400 --> 01:50:58,118
12674That's how we kinda went with it.
12675
126762725
1267701:50:58,200 --> 01:50:59,679
12678NOWLIN: (LAUGHS)
12679That's a good way to, yeah.
12680
126812726
1268201:50:59,760 --> 01:51:01,717
12683We used that card and now we have to...
12684
126852727
1268601:51:01,840 --> 01:51:03,638
12687BALL: Yeah, put it elsewhere.
12688NOWLIN: Yeah.
12689
126902728
1269101:51:03,760 --> 01:51:05,273
12692We did though.
12693That was kind of our strategy
12694
126952729
1269601:51:05,360 --> 01:51:06,839
12697of just, tell the three stories.
12698
126992730
1270001:51:06,920 --> 01:51:08,513
12701Then we had all these ideas
12702from the books,
12703
127042731
1270501:51:08,640 --> 01:51:09,914
12706like where can we fit stuff in?
12707
127082732
1270901:51:10,000 --> 01:51:10,990
12710HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
12711
127122733
1271301:51:11,400 --> 01:51:12,720
12714NOWLIN: Oh!
12715
127162734
1271701:51:12,800 --> 01:51:14,552
12718BALL: Yeah,
12719it's definitely an adaptation.
12720
127212735
1272201:51:14,640 --> 01:51:17,280
12723It's not a... Whatever.
12724
127252736
1272601:51:17,360 --> 01:51:18,714
12727NOWLIN: Think of it
12728more of an interpretation.
12729
127302737
1273101:51:18,800 --> 01:51:20,916
12732BALL: Yeah, an interpretation
12733I guess would be a good way to put it.
12734
127352738
1273601:51:21,000 --> 01:51:21,990
12737NOWLIN: Inspiration.
12738BALL: Yeah.
12739
127402739
1274101:51:22,080 --> 01:51:24,515
12742NOWLIN: Yeah, the truth is
12743we do start with the books.
12744
127452740
1274601:51:24,600 --> 01:51:26,432
12747I mean, every time we start
12748with what's there
12749
127502741
1275101:51:26,520 --> 01:51:27,874
12752and what opportunities.
12753
127542742
1275501:51:27,960 --> 01:51:29,871
12756BALL: And the books still exist.
12757We're not overriding the books.
12758
127592743
1276001:51:29,960 --> 01:51:31,837
12761It's just, for a movie
12762we wanna make sure
12763
127642744
1276501:51:31,920 --> 01:51:33,274
12766that people that haven't read the books,
12767
127682745
1276901:51:33,360 --> 01:51:37,149
12770that it makes sense and tracks well
12771for them, too, as an experience.
12772
127732746
1277401:51:39,000 --> 01:51:41,150
12775But, yeah, poor Newt.
12776
127772747
1277801:51:41,240 --> 01:51:45,393
12779And if you look there closely on his
12780side of his face, a little tear drops.
12781
127822748
1278301:51:45,480 --> 01:51:47,551
12784Newt played a good, good, good...
12785
127862749
1278701:51:47,640 --> 01:51:49,631
12788It's a good death there I thought.
12789
127902750
1279101:51:49,720 --> 01:51:50,710
12792NOWLIN: That's a real tear?
12793
127942751
1279501:51:50,800 --> 01:51:51,995
12796BALL: Yeah.
12797NOWLIN: Okay.
12798
127992752
1280001:51:54,080 --> 01:51:57,710
12801BALL: A lot of people
12802crying in this movie. (LAUGHS)
12803
128042753
1280501:51:57,800 --> 01:52:00,599
12806- It's like they're crying everywhere.
12807- NOWLIN: It's just so sad.
12808
128092754
1281001:52:00,680 --> 01:52:02,591
12811BALL: Yeah, to me that was the
12812money shot. I told Dylan right there.
12813
128142755
1281501:52:02,680 --> 01:52:06,435
12816I'm right next to him and I'm like,
12817okay, that's the money, dude. Cut.
12818
128192756
1282001:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,273
12821(LAUGHS) You know, and I'm thinking
12822I'm actually in the take there.
12823
128242757
1282501:52:09,360 --> 01:52:12,113
12826It was just that look on his face,
12827it was so good.
12828
128292758
1283001:52:12,200 --> 01:52:13,190
12831And he was exhausted.
12832
128332759
1283401:52:13,280 --> 01:52:14,793
12835I mean,
12836they were fighting the whole time
12837
128382760
1283901:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,473
12840and we're running out of time
12841I remember and he...
12842
128432761
1284401:52:16,560 --> 01:52:18,756
12845Dylan was actually getting
12846a little frustrated with things,
12847
128482762
1284901:52:18,840 --> 01:52:20,114
12850but, you know,
12851it gets that way sometimes,
12852
128532763
1285401:52:20,200 --> 01:52:22,476
12855but it's cool 'cause that's what we do.
12856
128572764
1285801:52:22,560 --> 01:52:27,157
12859We push things and hopefully get to
12860places that are unexpected.
12861
128622765
1286301:52:27,240 --> 01:52:29,151
12864NOWLIN: So this is so interesting
12865for Rosa because she's telling him,
12866
128672766
1286801:52:29,240 --> 01:52:30,310
12869you know, you can't save everyone.
12870
128712767
1287201:52:30,400 --> 01:52:33,313
12873I think the audience knows
12874she's thinking about herself and now...
12875
128762768
1287701:52:33,400 --> 01:52:35,755
12878She's cured and Newt's gone.
12879
128802769
1288101:52:35,840 --> 01:52:37,831
12882This is not what she meant,
12883but, you know?
12884
128852770
1288601:52:37,920 --> 01:52:38,990
12887BALL: Yeah...
12888
128892771
1289001:52:39,080 --> 01:52:41,230
12891No dialogue. Nothing needs to be said.
12892
128932772
1289401:52:41,320 --> 01:52:44,711
12895You know, I think we did that early on.
12896It was gonna be this...
12897
128982773
1289901:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,871
12900I always had this image in my head
12901
129022774
1290301:52:46,960 --> 01:52:49,156
12904of them being separated
12905for some reason, like...
12906
129072775
1290801:52:49,280 --> 01:52:52,875
12909The equivalent of being
12910on the edge of a canyon, you know?
12911
129122776
1291301:52:52,960 --> 01:52:54,189
12914- And I liked...
12915- NOWLIN: Yeah.
12916
129172777
1291801:52:54,280 --> 01:52:56,794
12919BALL: That, you know,
12920you can still be there with him.
12921
129222778
1292301:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,190
12924NOWLIN: She knows. He knows.
12925They all know why he can't.
12926
129272779
1292801:52:59,280 --> 01:53:02,159
12929That's the other good thing about
12930Teresa with the big broadcast message.
12931
129322780
1293301:53:02,240 --> 01:53:03,913
12934Everyone needed to hear it.
12935
129362781
1293701:53:04,000 --> 01:53:04,990
12938BALL: Yeah, it was the best way to...
12939
129402782
1294101:53:05,080 --> 01:53:06,195
12942NOWLIN: Did you cut
12943all your close-up of the...
12944
129452783
1294601:53:06,280 --> 01:53:07,998
12947BALL: No, not anymore.
12948NOWLIN: Bastard.
12949
129502784
1295101:53:08,080 --> 01:53:11,198
12952BALL: She has it in her hand.
12953NOWLIN: Yeah.
12954
129552785
1295601:53:23,080 --> 01:53:24,639
12957(GUNFIRE CONTINUES)
12958
129592786
1296001:53:32,280 --> 01:53:35,591
12961BALL: Originally we had Teresa
12962sitting here waiting,
12963
129642787
1296501:53:35,680 --> 01:53:36,750
12966and then Ava walks up.
12967
129682788
1296901:53:36,840 --> 01:53:38,114
12970And then Ava says you gotta leave.
12971
129722789
1297301:53:38,200 --> 01:53:41,511
12974And then a guy comes up
12975and says, "Last transport's leaving."
12976
129772790
1297801:53:41,600 --> 01:53:43,830
12979- And Ava says, "Teresa, go."
12980- NOWLIN: Yeah.
12981
129822791
1298301:53:43,960 --> 01:53:46,236
12984BALL: So originally we had Teresa
12985waiting for him, but...
12986
129872792
1298801:53:46,320 --> 01:53:47,390
12989NOWLIN: She also said,
12990"Meet me on the roof."
12991
129922793
1299301:53:47,480 --> 01:53:50,313
12994It was the idea that there's transport
12995leaving from the roof.
12996
129972794
1299801:53:50,400 --> 01:53:51,834
12999'Cause Teresa takes him there later...
13000
130012795
1300201:53:51,920 --> 01:53:54,753
13003BALL: But I think,
13004to really get it over with...
13005
130062796
1300701:53:54,840 --> 01:53:56,353
13008NOWLIN: Move it, yeah.
13009BALL: Yeah, exactly.
13010
130112797
1301201:53:56,440 --> 01:54:01,150
13013It did feel like unfortunately
13014you didn't want to stop again.
13015
130162798
1301701:54:01,240 --> 01:54:05,234
13018You know, you wanted to keep it going,
13019but I do miss seeing Teresa waiting.
13020
130212799
1302201:54:05,320 --> 01:54:06,674
13023NOWLIN: Yeah, this is a moment
13024where I think
13025
130262800
1302701:54:06,760 --> 01:54:08,080
13028he might actually pull the trigger,
13029
130302801
1303101:54:08,160 --> 01:54:09,958
13032more so than with Newt.
13033
130342802
1303501:54:10,920 --> 01:54:13,355
13036This is one of, I think,
13037Dylan's best scene.
13038
130392803
1304001:54:13,440 --> 01:54:14,953
13041BALL: Yeah.
13042I don't know how Dylan does it,
13043
130442804
1304501:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,600
13046but basically for the eight hours
13047that we were shooting this scene...
13048
130492805
1305001:54:17,680 --> 01:54:20,274
13051HARTWICK JR.: Yeah.
13052BALL: He was crying the entire time.
13053
130542806
1305501:54:20,360 --> 01:54:22,351
13056And just as an actor
13057he's gotta be there, you know?
13058
130592807
1306001:54:22,440 --> 01:54:25,000
13061He's gotta get himself in that place,
13062and he can't leave,
13063
130642808
1306501:54:25,080 --> 01:54:26,673
13066so it's kind of exhausting for him.
13067
130682809
1306901:54:26,760 --> 01:54:28,751
13070NOWLIN: There was like some kind of
13071construction or noise happening, too?
13072
130732810
1307401:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,076
13075BALL: Yeah, there was like construction
13076stuff happening in the background
13077
130782811
1307901:54:31,160 --> 01:54:32,992
13080'cause this is a convention center.
13081
130822812
1308301:54:33,080 --> 01:54:34,593
13084(LAUGHING) There was some kind of
13085a convention thing
13086
130872813
1308801:54:34,720 --> 01:54:36,313
13089setting up in the background.
13090
130912814
1309201:54:36,400 --> 01:54:37,993
13093But anyway, yeah, it's interesting,
13094
130952815
1309601:54:38,080 --> 01:54:40,310
13097working with actors that,
13098you know, they really commit.
13099
131002816
1310101:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,596
13102And I'm talking to Dylan, like,
13103
131042817
1310501:54:42,680 --> 01:54:45,911
13106I'm giving him direction and stuff
13107and his face is just puffy and...
13108
131092818
1311001:54:46,000 --> 01:54:47,434
13111HARTWICK JR.: Yeah, swollen.
13112BALL: And swollen...
13113
131142819
1311501:54:47,520 --> 01:54:48,874
13116And he has tears
13117and he's like, "Okay, yeah, sure."
13118
131192820
1312001:54:48,960 --> 01:54:50,792
13121And it's still Dylan.
13122
131232821
1312401:54:50,880 --> 01:54:54,794
13125But he's just in this place
13126that he's gotta stay to be authentic.
13127
131282822
1312901:54:54,880 --> 01:55:01,399
13130And you just love working with people
13131that commit so much.
13132
131332823
1313401:55:01,480 --> 01:55:02,993
13135NOWLIN: I mean,
13136for everything he went through
13137
131382824
1313901:55:03,080 --> 01:55:06,436
13140and then to come back
13141and do a great job.
13142
131432825
1314401:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,909
13145HARTWICK JR.: Wow.
13146NOWLIN: So, what my hope
13147
131482826
1314901:55:09,000 --> 01:55:11,116
13150is that people
13151have kind of forgotten about Janson.
13152
131532827
1315401:55:11,200 --> 01:55:12,349
13155BALL: No, it always works.
13156
131572828
1315801:55:12,440 --> 01:55:17,071
13159I remember in the test screenings,
13160there's always a big groan of... "Oh!"
13161
131622829
1316301:55:17,160 --> 01:55:21,358
13164You know, Janson. And hopefully
13165we set up that he hates her now.
13166
131672830
1316801:55:21,440 --> 01:55:22,589
13169With two scenes of that now.
13170
131712831
1317201:55:22,680 --> 01:55:25,069
13173NOWLIN: Well, it makes enough sense
13174that he would wanna control Thomas
13175
131762832
1317701:55:25,160 --> 01:55:26,275
13178and control the cure on its own.
13179
131802833
1318101:55:26,360 --> 01:55:29,990
13182This next reveal of he's infected.
13183
131842834
1318501:55:31,640 --> 01:55:32,675
13186BALL: I think it works fine.
13187
131882835
1318901:55:32,760 --> 01:55:33,795
13190NOWLIN: That's a nice little, yeah.
13191
131922836
1319301:55:33,880 --> 01:55:35,871
13194It's actually kinda nice
13195not teasing it throughout.
13196
131972837
1319801:55:35,960 --> 01:55:37,633
13199- 'Cause you do that with Newt anyway.
13200- BALL: Mmm-hmm.
13201
132022838
1320301:55:39,440 --> 01:55:42,319
13204NOWLIN: But it sucks Newt dies,
13205and he's gonna get the cure.
13206
132072839
1320801:55:42,400 --> 01:55:44,198
13209- That sucks.
13210- BALL: Right.
13211
132122840
1321301:55:44,280 --> 01:55:45,270
13214BALL: It's tricky though.
13215
132162841
1321701:55:45,360 --> 01:55:48,079
13218It's like, in 30 minutes,
13219we kill four people in this movie.
13220
132212842
1322201:55:48,160 --> 01:55:49,389
13223NOWLIN: Yeah, that's a blood bath.
13224
132252843
1322601:55:49,480 --> 01:55:51,073
13227BALL: I mean,
13228it's called The Death Cure.
13229
132302844
1323101:55:51,160 --> 01:55:53,071
13232NOWLIN: But I mean Ava,
13233Janson, you know...
13234
132352845
1323601:55:54,280 --> 01:55:55,873
13237Teresa and Newt
13238I think are the big ones.
13239
132402846
1324101:55:55,960 --> 01:55:56,950
13242BALL: Yeah.
13243
132442847
1324501:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,715
13246Hopefully we've earned it.
13247That's the question, you know?
13248
132492848
1325001:56:01,800 --> 01:56:02,949
13251NOWLIN: Yeah. Boy.
13252
132532849
1325401:56:04,840 --> 01:56:06,069
13255BALL: This was cool, too. I like just...
13256
132572850
1325801:56:06,160 --> 01:56:08,356
13259NOWLIN: That's freaking crazy.
13260They're taking buildings down?
13261
132622851
1326301:56:08,480 --> 01:56:09,800
13264Are those buildings up to code?
13265
132662852
1326701:56:09,880 --> 01:56:11,439
13268- BALL: No.
13269- (HARTWICK JR. LAUGHS)
13270
132712853
1327201:56:13,760 --> 01:56:15,558
13273NOWLIN: The sound transition there
13274was really cool.
13275
132762854
1327701:56:15,640 --> 01:56:16,630
13278BALL: Yeah.
13279NOWLIN: That was a nice...
13280
132812855
1328201:56:16,720 --> 01:56:18,313
13283BALL: That's where I use
13284a lot of that stuff in the first movie.
13285
132862856
1328701:56:18,400 --> 01:56:19,959
13288"Thomas, Thomas, Thomas,
13289can you hear me, hear me?"
13290
132912857
1329201:56:20,040 --> 01:56:21,872
13293- It's that kind of stuff from his dream.
13294- NOWLIN: Right.
13295
132962858
1329701:56:23,640 --> 01:56:26,234
13298NOWLIN: Yeah, so structurally
13299between Newt's death...
13300
133012859
1330201:56:26,320 --> 01:56:29,119
13303BALL: And this moment, by the way,
13304we do it in every single movie.
13305
133062860
1330701:56:29,200 --> 01:56:30,190
13308Thomas passes out
13309
133102861
1331101:56:30,280 --> 01:56:31,793
13312- and wakes up to find Teresa over him.
13313- NOWLIN: And Teresa's over him.
13314
133152862
1331601:56:31,920 --> 01:56:33,069
13317- That's interesting.
13318- BALL: Every single movie we've done it.
13319
133202863
1332101:56:33,160 --> 01:56:34,833
13322NOWLIN: Yeah, I think even in
13323the second movie she even points out
13324
133252864
1332601:56:34,920 --> 01:56:35,910
13327we have to stop meeting like this.
13328
133292865
1333001:56:36,000 --> 01:56:37,274
13331BALL: Yeah, right.
13332
133332866
1333401:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,113
13335NOWLIN: What if Thomas said that here?
13336No, it's too jokey.
13337
133382867
1333901:56:40,200 --> 01:56:41,998
13340BALL: Yeah, at this moment,
13341yeah, unfortunately.
13342
133432868
1334401:56:43,960 --> 01:56:45,678
13345NOWLIN: But the hard thing,
13346you talked about this a lot
13347
133482869
1334901:56:45,760 --> 01:56:48,070
13350is going from Newt's death
13351and then to Ava waiting,
13352
133532870
1335401:56:48,160 --> 01:56:50,310
13355Thomas shows up. Then Ava gets killed.
13356
133572871
1335801:56:50,440 --> 01:56:51,635
13359Thomas gets knocked out, wakes up.
13360
133612872
1336201:56:51,720 --> 01:56:53,677
13363There's a lot of stop and start,
13364stop and start.
13365
133662873
1336701:56:53,760 --> 01:56:54,909
13368I think you did a really good job
13369
133702874
1337101:56:55,000 --> 01:56:57,879
13372just making it feel like
13373a continuous movement.
13374
133752875
1337601:56:57,960 --> 01:57:00,395
13377BALL: Yeah. I mean the issues
13378are still the issues.
13379
133802876
1338101:57:03,200 --> 01:57:04,838
13382But hopefully we did
13383as deft a job as we could
13384
133852877
1338601:57:04,920 --> 01:57:07,150
13387to keep it flowing interestingly.
13388
133892878
1339001:57:08,920 --> 01:57:10,558
13391We'll keep you alive.
13392
133932879
1339401:57:11,400 --> 01:57:12,549
13395- Just.
13396- (GRUNTS)
13397
133982880
1339901:57:15,280 --> 01:57:16,634
13400And in return...
13401
134022881
1340301:57:17,480 --> 01:57:19,756
13404you will give life to the rest of us.
13405
134062882
1340701:57:20,360 --> 01:57:22,920
13408The ones we choose to save, anyway.
13409
134102883
1341101:57:27,400 --> 01:57:30,552
13412NOWLIN: As far as monologuing goes,
13413this is pretty good.
13414
134152884
1341601:57:30,640 --> 01:57:32,711
13417BALL: We cut a little bit
13418of his monologue,
13419
134202885
1342101:57:32,800 --> 01:57:35,155
13422but, you know, you gotta do it. (LAUGHS)
13423
134242886
1342501:57:35,240 --> 01:57:38,517
13426There's a reason it's a cliché is
13427because it's necessary sometimes.
13428
134292887
1343001:57:38,600 --> 01:57:41,877
13431NOWLIN: But the cliché for me is he's
13432got the gun on him and he chooses
13433
134342888
1343501:57:41,960 --> 01:57:43,234
13436when he could be pulling the trigger.
13437
134382889
1343901:57:43,320 --> 01:57:46,153
13440What he's talking about is
13441why he's not killing him.
13442
134432890
1344401:57:46,240 --> 01:57:48,675
13445Why it doesn't make sense
13446for him to kill him.
13447
134482891
1344901:57:48,760 --> 01:57:51,673
13450I always like that line of
13451the Flare burning itself out.
13452
134532892
1345401:57:51,760 --> 01:57:53,831
13455BALL: Yeah, which is there is an end
13456to this at some point, you know?
13457
134582893
1345901:57:53,960 --> 01:57:55,997
13460Who's left standing?
13461
134622894
1346301:57:56,080 --> 01:57:57,718
13464And that's what
13465gets into this character.
13466
134672895
1346801:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,593
13469That's what separates I think WICKED
13470from say, Janson. Janson's selfish.
13471
134722896
1347301:58:00,680 --> 01:58:03,194
13474He's thinking about himself,
13475his survival.
13476
134772897
1347801:58:03,280 --> 01:58:04,793
13479Teresa's thinking
13480about others' survival,
13481
134822898
1348301:58:04,880 --> 01:58:05,870
13484you know what I mean?
13485
134862899
1348701:58:05,960 --> 01:58:07,314
13488NOWLIN: That's also just very human.
13489
134902900
1349101:58:07,400 --> 01:58:09,710
13492BALL: She represents the good of WICKED,
13493you know what I mean?
13494
134952901
1349601:58:09,800 --> 01:58:11,757
13497NOWLIN: Yeah, WICKED is good,
13498but Janson is bad.
13499
135002902
1350101:58:11,840 --> 01:58:12,830
13502BALL: Yeah.
13503
135042903
1350501:58:13,760 --> 01:58:15,273
13506NOWLIN: But this idea,
13507I think, from Janson's point of view,
13508
135092904
1351001:58:15,400 --> 01:58:18,870
13511in his mind, it's almost like he's
13512more deserving of survival because...
13513
135142905
1351501:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,519
13516BALL: He's fought for it, yeah.
13517NOWLIN: He is willing to do
13518
135192906
1352001:58:20,600 --> 01:58:22,159
13521what is necessary, you know?
13522
135232907
1352401:58:23,280 --> 01:58:24,953
13525It's not the people
13526who were born with a gift.
13527
135282908
1352901:58:25,040 --> 01:58:26,838
13530It's the people
13531who do what they have to do to make...
13532
135332909
1353401:58:26,920 --> 01:58:28,752
13535BALL: Yeah, hopefully, this is where
13536people start turning around on Teresa,
13537
135382910
1353901:58:28,840 --> 01:58:31,434
13540and like, you know,
13541are cheering her on now.
13542
135432911
1354401:58:31,520 --> 01:58:33,113
13545She's come to the light side.
13546
135472912
1354801:58:35,440 --> 01:58:37,590
13549Some of this is stunt double.
13550Some of this is Kaya.
13551
135522913
1355301:58:37,720 --> 01:58:39,518
13554NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm. That's Kaya.
13555
135562914
1355701:58:39,600 --> 01:58:41,193
13558- BALL: But this is stunt double.
13559- (ALL LAUGHING)
13560
135612915
1356201:58:41,320 --> 01:58:42,355
13563THOMAS: Teresa!
13564
135652916
1356601:58:42,520 --> 01:58:43,510
13567NOWLIN: Yeah, good.
13568
135692917
1357001:58:43,600 --> 01:58:44,590
13571BALL: Now the reality, though,
13572
135732918
1357401:58:44,720 --> 01:58:45,790
13575is Janson's not doing
13576any of the work there.
13577
135782919
1357901:58:46,160 --> 01:58:49,630
13580The stunt girl's doing it and he's just
13581got his hand on her, but it looks
13582
135832920
1358401:58:49,720 --> 01:58:51,916
13585really convincing.
13586
135872921
1358801:58:52,520 --> 01:58:55,717
13589This was fun, too.
13590I've never done a fight scene.
13591
135922922
1359301:58:56,240 --> 01:58:58,231
13594If you notice,
13595there's not a lot of cuts.
13596
135972923
1359801:59:00,440 --> 01:59:03,273
13599Like Asian fight movies,
13600they don't cut a lot.
13601
136022924
1360301:59:03,360 --> 01:59:04,759
13604So, it feels authentic and real.
13605
136062925
1360701:59:04,840 --> 01:59:06,911
13608And so, we tried to do that
13609as much as we could
13610
136112926
1361201:59:07,000 --> 01:59:10,789
13613to do long takes for all these fights
13614to make them just as real as possible.
13615
136162927
1361701:59:10,880 --> 01:59:12,439
13618And it means
13619you have to do a lot of takes.
13620
136212928
1362201:59:12,520 --> 01:59:14,477
13623It means they actually
13624end up hitting each other sometimes.
13625
136262929
1362701:59:14,560 --> 01:59:15,755
13628It's exhausting.
13629
136302930
1363101:59:16,200 --> 01:59:18,999
13632But it's fun to do.
13633
136342931
1363501:59:19,080 --> 01:59:21,674
13636I'd like to do more one day.
13637
136382932
1363901:59:23,120 --> 01:59:24,440
13640NOWLIN: There was a moment
13641at the end of Scorch Trials
13642
136432933
1364401:59:24,520 --> 01:59:26,716
13645where it felt like they could have
13646had more of an altercation.
13647
136482934
1364901:59:26,800 --> 01:59:28,279
13650I remember even
13651talking like we saved that.
13652
136532935
1365401:59:28,360 --> 01:59:30,237
13655Like, they're gonna have a big fight
13656at the end of the third movie.
13657
136582936
1365901:59:30,320 --> 01:59:31,833
13660BALL: They do it here.
13661
136622937
1366301:59:33,120 --> 01:59:35,191
13664And it goes for a while.
13665It's not just this fight.
13666
136672938
1366801:59:35,280 --> 01:59:40,912
13669It's like they still gotta go into
13670the Crank lab and see to his demise.
13671
136722939
1367301:59:41,720 --> 01:59:43,757
13674NOWLIN: Ooh.
13675BALL: And hopefully we've
13676
136772940
1367801:59:43,840 --> 01:59:46,275
13679set up this whole thing with these guys.
13680They've arrived.
13681
136822941
1368301:59:46,360 --> 01:59:47,350
13684NOWLIN: They've showed up, yeah.
13685
136862942
1368701:59:47,440 --> 01:59:48,714
13688BALL: You've seen
13689out the window, hopefully,
13690
136912943
1369201:59:48,800 --> 01:59:51,314
13693that wave of destruction
13694is getting closer and closer.
13695
136962944
1369701:59:51,400 --> 01:59:53,471
13698And we've set up that the buildings are
13699coming down around them, blah, blah...
13700
137012945
1370201:59:53,560 --> 01:59:55,597
13703NOWLIN: But also,
13704this is their real target anyway.
13705
137062946
1370701:59:57,880 --> 02:00:00,998
13708- Oh. Are they using the guns from the...
13709- BALL: Well, that's the idea.
13710
137112947
1371202:00:01,080 --> 02:00:02,673
13713You don't realize
13714is that gun that they have
13715
137162948
1371702:00:02,760 --> 02:00:04,433
13718was repurposed
13719with some other WICKED thing.
13720
137212949
1372202:00:04,520 --> 02:00:05,999
13723It has like a WICKED symbol on it.
13724
137252950
1372602:00:06,080 --> 02:00:07,878
13727They kinda repurposed it and...
13728
137292951
1373002:00:07,960 --> 02:00:11,749
13731It's just a little side detail thing
13732that, you know, these guys have been...
13733
137342952
1373502:00:11,840 --> 02:00:13,353
13736And that's why they have the masks.
13737
137382953
1373902:00:13,440 --> 02:00:14,760
13740They've been fighting WICKED
13741for a while.
13742
137432954
1374402:00:14,840 --> 02:00:15,989
13745NOWLIN: So, this hopefully comes across.
13746
137472955
1374802:00:16,080 --> 02:00:17,559
13749Janson would not
13750intentionally shoot Thomas.
13751
137522956
1375302:00:17,640 --> 02:00:19,756
13754BALL: Yeah, he tried to shoot Teresa.
13755NOWLIN: He's trying to shoot Teresa.
13756
137572957
1375802:00:19,840 --> 02:00:20,910
13759BALL: And Thomas got in the way of her.
13760
137612958
1376202:00:21,000 --> 02:00:22,832
13763NOWLIN: Thomas does for her
13764what Chuck did for him
13765
137662959
1376702:00:22,920 --> 02:00:24,991
13768- at the end of the first movie.
13769- BALL: That's the idea.
13770
137712960
1377202:00:25,080 --> 02:00:26,639
13773BALL: Hopefully, that's obvious.
13774
137752961
1377602:00:26,720 --> 02:00:27,710
13777NOWLIN: Yeah, it's hard.
13778
137792962
1378002:00:27,800 --> 02:00:29,313
13781Blocking-wise,
13782I could see it was a challenge.
13783
137842963
1378502:00:29,400 --> 02:00:30,390
13786BALL: Yeah, it's tricky.
13787
137882964
1378902:00:30,960 --> 02:00:34,078
13790He says, "Teresa," gets in front of her
13791and pulls it out and he shoots.
13792
137932965
1379402:00:35,960 --> 02:00:38,713
13795NOWLIN: It's also like...
13796It's not great. (LAUGHS)
13797
137982966
1379902:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,389
13800Find something.
13801Here. Here!
13802
138032967
1380402:00:42,720 --> 02:00:45,189
13805Just put pressure on it. Hold it.
13806
138072968
1380802:00:45,320 --> 02:00:46,640
13809(LABORED BREATHING)
13810
138112969
1381202:00:46,800 --> 02:00:48,074
13813You gotta go.
13814
138152970
1381602:00:49,240 --> 02:00:50,958
13817You gotta go.
13818
138192971
1382002:00:52,120 --> 02:00:55,556
13821BALL: Yeah, it's just ultimately
13822the culmination of their story, really.
13823
138242972
1382502:00:55,640 --> 02:00:59,838
13826It's like they're back together again
13827essentially, you know, on the same side.
13828
138292973
1383002:00:59,920 --> 02:01:02,036
13831But is Thomas gonna make it now?
13832
138332974
1383402:01:02,120 --> 02:01:04,031
13835But she does have the cure.
13836
138372975
1383802:01:04,120 --> 02:01:07,511
13839I always liked this stuff, too.
13840I like the feel of it.
13841
138422976
1384302:01:08,680 --> 02:01:11,559
13844NOWLIN: Teresa hasn't
13845necessarily changed her mind
13846
138472977
1384802:01:11,640 --> 02:01:13,313
13849from where she was
13850at the end of the second movie.
13851
138522978
1385302:01:13,400 --> 02:01:15,437
13854She's still protecting the cure,
13855
138562979
1385702:01:15,520 --> 02:01:18,239
13858except now that means protecting Thomas
13859rather than betraying him.
13860
138612980
1386202:01:18,320 --> 02:01:19,469
13863BALL: But I think there is...
13864
138652981
1386602:01:21,000 --> 02:01:24,311
13867She came closer to Thomas
13868a little bit, too.
13869
138702982
1387102:01:24,400 --> 02:01:26,198
13872You know, he went the other way,
13873she went the other way.
13874
138752983
1387602:01:26,280 --> 02:01:28,635
13877And then here they kinda
13878come back to the middle a little bit.
13879
138802984
1388102:01:28,760 --> 02:01:30,637
13882They both changed each other
13883a little bit, I think.
13884
138852985
1388602:01:30,760 --> 02:01:33,354
13887NOWLIN: But I think through Janson,
13888she sees kind of a darker reality.
13889
138902986
1389102:01:33,440 --> 02:01:35,829
13892BALL: Like, do you regret it?
13893Sometimes, but I'd do it again.
13894
138952987
1389602:01:35,920 --> 02:01:37,797
13897NOWLIN: I think that's where she was,
13898so I think she...
13899
139002988
1390102:01:38,560 --> 02:01:39,914
13902There was a part of her that regretted.
13903
139042989
1390502:01:40,000 --> 02:01:42,071
13906BALL: But maybe there's a different way,
13907you know?
13908
139092990
1391002:01:42,840 --> 02:01:44,274
13911NOWLIN: Yeah, of course, yeah.
13912
139132991
1391402:01:45,400 --> 02:01:46,515
13915BALL: Yeah, but I always liked this.
13916
139172992
1391802:01:46,600 --> 02:01:49,991
13919I think we came up with this basic scene
13920pretty late in the game.
13921
139222993
1392302:01:50,120 --> 02:01:51,713
13924HARTWICK JR.: Yeah. Yeah.
13925NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
13926
139272994
1392802:01:51,840 --> 02:01:53,069
13929NOWLIN: Well,
13930it was always the question.
13931
139322995
1393302:01:53,200 --> 02:01:54,315
13934We knew we would kill him with Cranks.
13935
139362996
1393702:01:54,400 --> 02:01:55,435
13938HARTWICK JR.: 'Cause it was a button
13939for her to press.
13940
139412997
1394202:01:55,520 --> 02:01:56,510
13943NOWLIN: Or something, yeah.
13944
139452998
1394602:01:56,600 --> 02:01:58,159
13947BALL: And it just wasn't
13948very interesting.
13949
139502999
1395102:01:58,240 --> 02:01:59,230
13952NOWLIN: Well, there were two things.
13953
139543000
1395502:01:59,320 --> 02:02:00,913
13956Which is one,
13957we wanted to give it to Thomas.
13958
139593001
1396002:02:01,360 --> 02:02:02,350
13961The actual killing.
13962
139633002
1396402:02:02,440 --> 02:02:03,919
13965Teresa has so much to do here.
13966
139673003
1396802:02:06,080 --> 02:02:08,151
13969BALL: Which came from Dylan,
13970I remember.
13971
139723004
1397302:02:08,240 --> 02:02:10,038
13974Dylan has good insights, too.
13975
139763005
1397702:02:10,120 --> 02:02:11,997
13978And he's like, "I feel like
13979I'm not doing anything in this scene."
13980
139813006
1398202:02:12,080 --> 02:02:13,434
13983And we kinda looked at it
13984and said you're right.
13985
139863007
1398702:02:13,520 --> 02:02:15,875
13988And so we started thinking about
13989how do we give it to Thomas?
13990
139913008
1399202:02:15,960 --> 02:02:17,473
13993Which is right.
13994
139953009
1399602:02:19,320 --> 02:02:22,073
13997And then it was about pushing a button,
13998and it just wasn't very interesting.
13999
140003010
1400102:02:22,160 --> 02:02:24,595
14002Let the Cranks loose,
14003so he came up with this gag of like...
14004
140053011
1400602:02:24,680 --> 02:02:26,557
14007NOWLIN: So, he wouldn't know
14008what button does what.
14009
140103012
1401102:02:27,200 --> 02:02:28,520
14012BALL: And it's a little bit
14013of a stretch,
14014
140153013
1401602:02:28,600 --> 02:02:30,432
14017the breaking the window thing,
14018but I think it works.
14019
140203014
1402102:02:30,520 --> 02:02:33,558
14022If the audience is with us here,
14023they're gonna go with it.
14024
140253015
1402602:02:34,360 --> 02:02:37,398
14027I think you have something of mine.
14028
140293016
1403002:02:42,400 --> 02:02:44,038
14031BALL: (CHUCKLES)
14032Look how crazy he is in this one.
14033
140343017
1403502:02:44,120 --> 02:02:46,714
14036I told him.
14037He's like he's a little off now.
14038
140393018
1404002:02:46,800 --> 02:02:49,553
14041He's a little bit further along
14042in his like deterioration.
14043
140443019
1404502:02:49,640 --> 02:02:52,598
14046Maybe in another couple of hours,
14047he'll be where Newt was, you know?
14048
140493020
1405002:02:53,600 --> 02:02:54,715
14051But he's just a little crazy.
14052
140533021
1405402:02:56,720 --> 02:02:57,994
14055He enjoyed it.
14056
140573022
1405802:02:58,080 --> 02:02:59,593
14059NOWLIN: If you watch the movie
14060the second time,
14061
140623023
1406302:02:59,680 --> 02:03:01,398
14064knowing that he's sick
14065throughout everything else,
14066
140673024
1406802:03:01,480 --> 02:03:03,869
14069the moment when he goes in
14070and sees the serum is gone
14071
140723025
1407302:03:03,960 --> 02:03:06,873
14074has kind of a different meaning.
14075There's a different desperation there.
14076
140773026
1407802:03:06,960 --> 02:03:07,950
14079He's good here, too.
14080
140813027
1408202:03:08,040 --> 02:03:10,793
14083He's a little, you know, off.
14084
140853028
1408602:03:12,080 --> 02:03:14,640
14087There's no character who can't
14088justify their actions in this movie.
14089
140903029
1409102:03:17,160 --> 02:03:18,275
14092That's a good look.
14093
140943030
1409502:03:19,240 --> 02:03:21,231
14096He just kind of like
14097disengages with her.
14098
140993031
1410002:03:21,320 --> 02:03:25,075
14101BALL: Yeah, he's like, "Okay.
14102I know what I have to do now."
14103
141043032
1410502:03:26,560 --> 02:03:27,550
14106Like this shot, too.
14107
141083033
1410902:03:28,760 --> 02:03:30,876
14110The choice. What's he gonna do?
14111
141123034
1411302:03:32,120 --> 02:03:33,872
14114And, hopefully, you think
14115he's really gonna shoot her.
14116
141173035
1411802:03:34,680 --> 02:03:36,796
14119Okay. Fine.
14120
141213036
1412202:03:37,240 --> 02:03:38,230
14123Have it your way.
14124
141253037
1412602:03:38,400 --> 02:03:39,390
14127(GUN COCKS)
14128
141293038
1413002:03:39,920 --> 02:03:40,990
14131THOMAS: Janson.
14132
141333039
1413402:03:41,120 --> 02:03:42,235
14135(GRUNTS)
14136
141373040
1413802:03:46,800 --> 02:03:48,234
14139Missed, you little shit.
14140
141413041
1414202:03:49,200 --> 02:03:50,190
14143Did I?
14144
141453042
1414602:03:50,360 --> 02:03:51,873
14147(GLASS CRACKING)
14148
141493043
1415002:03:56,160 --> 02:03:59,630
14151BALL: And it's all part of the plan.
14152(SCATTING DRAMATIC MUSIC)
14153
141543044
1415502:04:00,920 --> 02:04:03,150
14156And Janson gets his demise.
14157
141583045
1415902:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,079
14160NOWLIN: It's the right death for him,
14161I think.
14162
141633046
1416402:04:06,280 --> 02:04:08,510
14165BALL: It's that, or he pops up
14166in the end when the building collapses.
14167
141683047
1416902:04:08,600 --> 02:04:10,511
14170(ALL LAUGHING)
14171
141723048
1417302:04:10,640 --> 02:04:11,835
14174(BALL MIMICS JANSON YELLING)
14175
141763049
1417702:04:14,000 --> 02:04:15,752
14178BALL: It wouldn't work.
14179NOWLIN: Are you kidding?
14180
141813050
1418202:04:15,840 --> 02:04:17,911
14183BALL: We want it to be
14184emotional with Teresa.
14185
141863051
1418702:04:18,000 --> 02:04:18,990
14188No, he won't do that.
14189
141903052
1419102:04:19,720 --> 02:04:20,949
14192There's a larger scene here.
14193
141943053
1419502:04:21,040 --> 02:04:22,599
14196They originally were
14197gonna go to the elevator
14198
141993054
1420002:04:22,680 --> 02:04:24,079
14201and it was gonna fall.
14202
142033055
1420402:04:24,160 --> 02:04:26,595
14205I always liked it,
14206but anyway, it got cut.
14207
142083056
1420902:04:27,600 --> 02:04:31,992
14210This is the first shot
14211that ever basically came to me
14212
142133057
1421402:04:32,080 --> 02:04:33,912
14215when we were
14216talking about this third movie
14217
142183058
1421902:04:34,000 --> 02:04:37,595
14220was Teresa carrying a wounded Thomas
14221through chaos.
14222
142233059
1422402:04:37,680 --> 02:04:39,910
14225At the time for me,
14226it was an underground
14227
142283060
1422902:04:40,000 --> 02:04:44,198
14230lab thing or something.
14231It was this big kind of place.
14232
142333061
1423402:04:44,280 --> 02:04:46,396
14235But we ended up
14236winding up on the roof here.
14237
142383062
1423902:04:46,480 --> 02:04:48,198
14240But like that was the shot for me,
14241
142423063
1424302:04:48,280 --> 02:04:50,351
14244and it's coming up here in a second,
14245the actual shot.
14246
142473064
1424802:04:50,440 --> 02:04:53,717
14249I mean, it was pretty much right out
14250of my freaking brain,
14251
142523065
1425302:04:53,840 --> 02:04:55,478
14254what I kind of imagined.
14255
142563066
1425702:04:55,560 --> 02:04:57,790
14258It's like
14259her on a walkway and everything.
14260
142613067
1426202:04:57,880 --> 02:05:01,157
14263It's like fire bursting all around them.
14264
142653068
1426602:05:04,160 --> 02:05:05,753
14267Always building up to. It's coming up.
14268
142693069
1427002:05:05,840 --> 02:05:06,830
14271NOWLIN: Let's see if I can guess it.
14272
142733070
1427402:05:07,880 --> 02:05:09,757
14275BALL: And it's like
14276they're racing towards us.
14277
142783071
1427902:05:09,840 --> 02:05:12,229
14280It's like if we could
14281get to that place in the movie
14282
142833072
1428402:05:12,320 --> 02:05:15,233
14285where Teresa's trying to save Thomas,
14286
142873073
1428802:05:15,360 --> 02:05:19,513
14289I feel like that would be
14290a good close to this movie.
14291
142923074
1429302:05:19,600 --> 02:05:22,877
14294If we wind up there, along with
14295everything else we had to do...
14296
142973075
1429802:05:23,440 --> 02:05:27,673
14299If we could earn that, it would be
14300a satisfying kind of...
14301
143023076
1430302:05:28,640 --> 02:05:31,075
14304Close to all the drama of the series.
14305
143063077
1430702:05:31,280 --> 02:05:32,475
14308NOWLIN: Mmm-hmm.
14309
143103078
1431102:05:37,400 --> 02:05:39,357
14312BALL: It's interesting,
14313we did have a set here
14314
143153079
1431602:05:39,440 --> 02:05:41,875
14317and we had a lot of fire
14318all around them.
14319
143203080
1432102:05:41,960 --> 02:05:42,950
14322That wasn't all the fire.
14323
143243081
1432502:05:43,040 --> 02:05:46,431
14326We had some of the fire CG,
14327but all the embers and stuff are CG.
14328
143293082
1433002:05:46,520 --> 02:05:48,557
14331There's kind of a beauty to it
14332in a weird way.
14333
143343083
1433502:05:48,640 --> 02:05:50,870
14336That's kinda cool.
14337
143383084
1433902:05:51,520 --> 02:05:55,195
14340NOWLIN: I've never seen it
14341with all that fire and embers.
14342
143433085
1434402:05:55,280 --> 02:05:56,998
14345BALL: Yeah, it's pretty, you know?
14346
143473086
1434802:05:57,080 --> 02:05:58,514
14349It wasn't planned.
14350
143513087
1435202:05:58,600 --> 02:06:01,319
14353- We'll see how people react to it. Yeah.
14354- NOWLIN: A kiss?
14355
143563088
1435702:06:02,880 --> 02:06:06,794
14358BALL: We were doing a couple of takes
14359where they just said their lines.
14360
143613089
1436202:06:06,920 --> 02:06:08,752
14363Smiled and hugged or whatever.
14364
143653090
1436602:06:08,840 --> 02:06:10,513
14367And we had somewhere,
14368I was like, "Let's just kiss."
14369
143703091
1437102:06:11,320 --> 02:06:14,915
14372Finally, these characters deserve it.
14373After all this.
14374
143753092
1437602:06:16,000 --> 02:06:19,436
14377These movies,
14378they deserve one last kiss goodbye.
14379
143803093
1438102:06:19,520 --> 02:06:21,557
14382It's not like a super romantic...
14383
143843094
1438502:06:23,720 --> 02:06:24,710
14386NOWLIN: Ooh, that looks great.
14387
143883095
1438902:06:25,480 --> 02:06:26,515
14390BALL: Yeah.
14391
143923096
1439302:06:32,480 --> 02:06:33,709
14394It's pretty cool.
14395
143963097
1439702:06:34,560 --> 02:06:35,550
14398HARTWICK JR.: Good score here.
14399
144003098
1440102:06:35,640 --> 02:06:36,960
14402BALL: Yeah, this is a really tricky cue.
14403
144043099
1440502:06:37,040 --> 02:06:38,838
14406NOWLIN: One of the big
14407music moments for John, really.
14408
144093100
1441002:06:40,520 --> 02:06:43,478
14411BALL: And well, the trick was
14412our first cue, which wasn't working,
14413
144143101
1441502:06:43,560 --> 02:06:46,518
14416and me and John
14417would argue about it a lot.
14418
144193102
1442002:06:46,600 --> 02:06:48,511
14421He wasn't playing Teresa.
14422He was playing the situation.
14423
144243103
1442502:06:48,600 --> 02:06:49,874
14426NOWLIN: Was it that shot, Wes?
14427BALL: No.
14428
144293104
1443002:06:49,960 --> 02:06:52,349
14431BALL: It's this one.
14432This one right here.
14433
144343105
1443502:06:52,440 --> 02:06:54,875
14436Right there. (EXCLAIMS)
14437
144383106
1443902:06:55,840 --> 02:06:59,834
14440I swear like right out of my mind
14441from all in Vancouver time.
14442
144433107
1444402:07:01,640 --> 02:07:03,199
14445But anyway, John, it was like, you know,
14446
144473108
1444802:07:03,280 --> 02:07:08,559
14449it was when he started to play Teresa,
14450the girl who's trying to save the boy.
14451
144523109
1445302:07:08,680 --> 02:07:11,638
14454You know, that's when it suddenly
14455started to work emotionally.
14456
144573110
1445802:07:11,720 --> 02:07:13,279
14459And it wasn't just about the danger.
14460
144613111
1446202:07:13,360 --> 02:07:17,035
14463It's about, she's doing everything
14464she can to save him and he's gonna...
14465
144663112
1446702:07:17,120 --> 02:07:18,519
14468Or he's gonna die.
14469
144703113
1447102:07:18,600 --> 02:07:20,477
14472NOWLIN: It's also the moment that...
14473It's people that she betrayed.
14474
144753114
1447602:07:20,560 --> 02:07:22,392
14477It's a moment
14478where they're rooting for her.
14479
144803115
1448102:07:23,160 --> 02:07:26,232
14482You know, they're, "Come on, Teresa."
14483That's really just satisfying.
14484
144853116
1448602:07:28,920 --> 02:07:30,558
14487BALL: And the kind of
14488desperation of it all.
14489
144903117
1449102:07:30,640 --> 02:07:32,631
14492This is my favorite shot
14493in the movie actually.
14494
144953118
1449602:07:32,720 --> 02:07:34,757
14497NOWLIN: Really? Oof.
14498
144993119
1450002:07:34,840 --> 02:07:37,719
14501BALL: That's great.
14502NOWLIN: (LAUGHS) Oh, that's cool. Damn.
14503
145043120
1450502:07:38,960 --> 02:07:40,359
14506BALL: Dylan's doing a great...
14507Everyone's doing a great job,
14508
145093121
1451002:07:40,440 --> 02:07:43,751
14511but Kaya just did
14512fantastic on this scene.
14513
145143122
1451502:07:43,840 --> 02:07:45,558
14516I mean, you just feel it in her face.
14517
145183123
1451902:07:47,680 --> 02:07:50,149
14520NOWLIN: There's a way to look at this
14521movie where she is the protagonist.
14522
145233124
1452402:07:50,240 --> 02:07:53,039
14525BALL: Yeah, absolutely.
14526Absolutely. And then poor Teresa.
14527
145283125
1452902:07:54,160 --> 02:07:55,230
14530NOWLIN: It's gonna crush her.
14531
145323126
1453302:07:55,680 --> 02:07:57,034
14534Oh, I always think
14535it's gonna land on her.
14536
145373127
1453802:07:57,600 --> 02:07:58,954
14539Teresa!
14540
145413128
1454202:08:06,320 --> 02:08:08,391
14543BALL: Yeah, and then, you know,
14544time sort of slows.
14545
145463129
1454702:08:08,480 --> 02:08:11,552
14548All the sound goes away
14549and it's just the two of them, you know?
14550
145513130
1455202:08:11,640 --> 02:08:13,278
14553NOWLIN: I'm very curious
14554about this shot coming up.
14555
145563131
1455702:08:13,360 --> 02:08:15,510
14558BALL: But yeah, her demise.
14559And this is like in the book.
14560
145613132
1456202:08:15,600 --> 02:08:17,796
14563Basically she pushes him out of the way
14564and a boulder drops on her.
14565
145663133
1456702:08:17,880 --> 02:08:19,837
14568But we wanted to do something
14569that was a little bit more...
14570
145713134
1457202:08:19,960 --> 02:08:21,155
14573NOWLIN: Less arbitrary, you know.
14574Like she needs to...
14575
145763135
1457702:08:22,320 --> 02:08:23,515
14578Oh, man, that's so sad.
14579
145803136
1458102:08:25,240 --> 02:08:28,153
14582BALL: Yeah, something neat about that
14583is that her arms were CG there,
14584
145853137
1458602:08:28,760 --> 02:08:31,434
14587'cause her arms
14588didn't do something right in the take.
14589
145903138
1459102:08:31,520 --> 02:08:33,955
14592So we had them replace
14593her whole arms and everything.
14594
145953139
1459602:08:36,080 --> 02:08:38,037
14597I guess the idea here was always to go
14598
145993140
1460002:08:38,120 --> 02:08:40,839
14601a little bit more of
14602this kind of ethereal, beautiful thing.
14603
146043141
1460502:08:41,520 --> 02:08:45,479
14606Celebrate the sacrifice of it all,
14607the loss of it all, rather than like...
14608
146093142
1461002:08:46,520 --> 02:08:50,309
14611Being too...
14612I don't know what the word is.
14613
146143143
1461502:08:50,400 --> 02:08:51,993
14616I mean, it is still sentimental.
14617
146183144
1461902:08:52,120 --> 02:08:54,157
14620HARTWICK JR.: Too sappy.
14621
146223145
1462302:08:54,240 --> 02:08:57,870
14624BALL: I don't know if audiences
14625are gonna accept this ending or not.
14626
146273146
1462802:09:02,160 --> 02:09:06,472
14629It's nice to see all our friends
14630back together and worried about him.
14631
146323147
1463302:09:06,560 --> 02:09:09,200
14634And it's also kinda cool that
14635the protagonist of our movie,
14636
146373148
1463802:09:09,280 --> 02:09:12,318
14639the main hero
14640isn't actually doing the saving
14641
146423149
1464302:09:12,400 --> 02:09:15,233
14644at the end of the movie,
14645which I think is a bold but cool choice.
14646
146473150
1464802:09:15,320 --> 02:09:16,879
14649NOWLIN: It's like he spent two movies
14650saving everyone.
14651
146523151
1465302:09:16,960 --> 02:09:18,394
14654This moment it's their turn to save him.
14655
146563152
1465702:09:18,520 --> 02:09:19,590
14658BALL: Which I think is a cool thing.
14659
146603153
1466102:09:19,680 --> 02:09:25,153
14662It's not typical, but I think that's
14663actually great that we get to do that,
14664
146653154
1466602:09:25,240 --> 02:09:26,878
14667that he had an impact on them,
14668
146693155
1467002:09:26,960 --> 02:09:29,839
14671enough that they're willing to
14672sacrifice themselves for him, too.
14673
146743156
1467502:09:29,920 --> 02:09:31,877
14676Yeah, and then the question here,
14677"Did he die"?
14678
146793157
1468002:09:33,400 --> 02:09:35,869
14681And you see what's left of that city,
14682
146833158
1468402:09:35,960 --> 02:09:39,669
14685the last city, it's gone,
14686so the world now really is
14687
146883159
1468902:09:39,760 --> 02:09:42,195
14690gonna have to rise from the ashes,
14691which is kind of cool.
14692
146933160
1469402:09:42,720 --> 02:09:46,111
14695Now it's up to these kids
14696to create a new world, which is cool.
14697
146983161
1469902:09:55,880 --> 02:09:57,632
14700NOWLIN: Hey, good commentary, guys,
14701that was a good movie.
14702
147033162
1470402:09:57,720 --> 02:10:00,360
14705BALL: Oh, wait! (CHUCKLES)
14706NOWLIN: Wait a minute, it's not over.
14707
147083163
1470902:10:00,520 --> 02:10:02,955
14710BALL: Which is cool,
14711I hope we trick people out. (LAUGHS)
14712
147133164
1471402:10:03,240 --> 02:10:05,629
14715NOWLIN: Oh, what a horrible ending.
14716BALL: I love it.
14717
147183165
1471902:10:05,840 --> 02:10:08,514
14720I heard at one of the screenings,
14721someone started clapping there.
14722
147233166
1472402:10:09,040 --> 02:10:12,032
14725NOWLIN: 'Cause they saw a good movie.
14726BALL: Right. And then, "Wait..."
14727
147283167
1472902:10:12,640 --> 02:10:13,914
14730BALL: I love how it's so quiet,
14731
147323168
1473302:10:14,000 --> 02:10:17,277
14734and this is very much like
14735Thomas waking up in the box.
14736
147373169
1473802:10:17,360 --> 02:10:18,350
14739NOWLIN: Yeah.
14740
147413170
1474202:10:18,480 --> 02:10:20,073
14743It's like he's coming into
14744another Glade.
14745
147463171
1474702:10:20,160 --> 02:10:22,276
14748BALL: We always talked about this
14749as Glade 2.0.
14750
147513172
1475202:10:22,360 --> 02:10:24,317
14753It's the same kind of material,
14754just a little bit cleaner,
14755
147563173
1475702:10:24,400 --> 02:10:27,870
14758a little bit more materials this time
14759and a little bit more open.
14760
147613174
1476202:10:27,960 --> 02:10:29,678
14763NOWLIN: And the opposite of walls.
14764BALL: Yeah.
14765
147663175
1476702:10:31,200 --> 02:10:33,635
14768BALL: Although, in a way, they're
14769still trapped, but trapped on an island.
14770
147713176
1477202:10:33,760 --> 02:10:35,398
14773They're still surrounded by water.
14774
147753177
1477602:10:36,400 --> 02:10:37,470
14777But they have a boat.
14778
147793178
1478002:10:39,120 --> 02:10:40,952
14781NOWLIN: I always thought that was fun,
14782especially after the Scorch.
14783
147843179
1478502:10:41,040 --> 02:10:43,714
14786We have these scorched-out, empty areas.
14787
147883180
1478902:10:43,800 --> 02:10:45,359
14790BALL: Because you see
14791a beautiful landscape.
14792
147933181
1479402:10:45,480 --> 02:10:46,800
14795NOWLIN: To see the ocean is nice.
14796
147973182
1479802:10:47,040 --> 02:10:48,678
14799BALL: This was a really cool
14800national park
14801
148023183
1480302:10:48,760 --> 02:10:51,274
14804or some kind of park in Cape Town.
14805
148063184
1480702:10:51,800 --> 02:10:54,952
14808And this shot.
14809This shot was always the plan,
14810
148113185
1481202:10:55,040 --> 02:10:57,680
14813a 360 that takes you all the way
14814from Thomas coming out,
14815
148163186
1481702:10:57,760 --> 02:10:59,433
14818all the way coming around
14819to reveal this.
14820
148213187
1482202:10:59,520 --> 02:11:01,477
14823This is real.
14824We built all this for real.
14825
148263188
1482702:11:01,560 --> 02:11:03,153
14828HARTWICK JR.:
14829Yeah, that's a pretty shot.
14830
148313189
1483202:11:03,240 --> 02:11:04,389
14833BALL: Mmm-hmm.
14834
148353190
1483602:11:05,920 --> 02:11:07,069
14837HARTWICK JR.:
14838What was that area called again?
14839
148403191
1484102:11:07,160 --> 02:11:08,559
14842BALL: It's another really... I forget.
14843
148443192
1484502:11:08,640 --> 02:11:10,916
14846But it's another really beautiful score
14847from John.
14848
148493193
1485002:11:11,000 --> 02:11:13,594
14851It's an eight-minute cue basically.
14852
148533194
1485402:11:13,680 --> 02:11:14,875
14855It doesn't let up.
14856
148573195
1485802:11:14,960 --> 02:11:15,950
14859This is basically the end.
14860
148613196
1486202:11:16,040 --> 02:11:20,238
14863This is the farewell to the series,
14864the characters, the fans,
14865
148663197
1486702:11:20,320 --> 02:11:21,469
14868the crew, even.
14869
148703198
1487102:11:22,160 --> 02:11:24,151
14872I think it wasn't
14873the very last thing we shot,
14874
148753199
1487602:11:24,240 --> 02:11:27,676
14877but it was almost the very last thing
14878we shot in the movie.
14879
148803200
1488102:11:29,480 --> 02:11:31,471
14882I think like a day or two,
14883clean-up stuff after this,
14884
148853201
1488602:11:31,560 --> 02:11:34,837
14887but there was this kind of weight here
14888
148893202
1489002:11:34,920 --> 02:11:37,434
14891- where everyone knew this was it.
14892- HARTWICK JR.: Yeah, for sure.
14893
148943203
1489502:11:37,520 --> 02:11:38,555
14896BALL: This is all over.
14897
148983204
1489902:11:38,640 --> 02:11:40,756
14900I think we shot our crew photo here
14901and all that stuff.
14902
149033205
1490402:11:40,840 --> 02:11:42,319
14905HARTWICK JR.: Remember
14906the bioluminescent water?
14907
149083206
1490902:11:42,400 --> 02:11:43,595
14910BALL: Oh, that was crazy. Yeah.
14911
149123207
1491302:11:44,360 --> 02:11:47,478
14914The waves were glowing
14915while Thomas was reading Newt's letter.
14916
149173208
1491802:11:49,160 --> 02:11:51,310
14919This is cool, too. Another moment where
14920there's no dialogue.
14921
149223209
1492302:11:51,400 --> 02:11:52,470
14924Nothing needs to be said.
14925
149263210
1492702:11:53,240 --> 02:11:55,550
14928It's this moment where Minho,
14929
149303211
1493102:11:55,640 --> 02:11:56,960
14932he doesn't know what to say.
14933
149343212
1493502:11:57,200 --> 02:11:58,349
14936You see it on his face.
14937
149383213
1493902:11:58,440 --> 02:11:59,999
14940"I don't know what to tell you."
14941
149423214
1494302:12:00,080 --> 02:12:03,391
14944And then, they just hug each other
14945and you realize that's all they need.
14946
149473215
1494802:12:07,240 --> 02:12:10,153
14949I think this is a nice end
14950
149513216
1495202:12:10,240 --> 02:12:13,676
14953for Barry's contribution
14954to how they all got here, too.
14955
149563217
1495702:12:13,760 --> 02:12:16,832
14958'cause he's the person,
14959the custodian of this effort to
14960
149613218
1496202:12:16,920 --> 02:12:18,593
14963- to save the immunes.
14964- NOWLIN: This is his dream.
14965
149663219
1496702:12:18,680 --> 02:12:20,751
14968BALL: He's the opposite of Ava.
14969NOWLIN: Yeah.
14970
149713220
1497202:12:21,440 --> 02:12:22,589
14973BALL: He wants to save all the immunes,
14974
149753221
1497602:12:22,680 --> 02:12:26,071
14977not just experiment on them
14978and find a cure from them.
14979
149803222
1498102:12:26,160 --> 02:12:27,639
14982He wants to let...
14983
149843223
1498502:12:27,720 --> 02:12:30,553
14986His view of the world
14987is to let the world burn out
14988
149893224
1499002:12:30,640 --> 02:12:32,392
14991and save what's left.
14992
149933225
1499402:12:32,480 --> 02:12:35,598
14995Save what's worth saving,
14996these immunes kids, the future.
14997
149983226
1499902:12:35,680 --> 02:12:37,717
15000Maybe that's a little dark, too.
15001
150023227
1500302:12:37,800 --> 02:12:38,949
15004NOWLIN: Or if there's
15005a cure to be found,
15006
150073228
1500802:12:39,040 --> 02:12:41,759
15009but if it comes at the cost
15010of exploiting these kids
15011
150123229
1501302:12:41,840 --> 02:12:45,071
15014who have been chosen, in a way,
15015by nature to carry on.
15016
150173230
1501802:12:45,160 --> 02:12:46,559
15019BALL: I also think
15020it's really important,
15021
150223231
1502302:12:46,640 --> 02:12:49,314
15024'cause we actually experimented with
15025cutting this speech out once.
15026
150273232
1502802:12:50,240 --> 02:12:52,231
15029What it did was,
15030it made it all really heavy.
15031
150323233
1503302:12:52,360 --> 02:12:54,636
15034And what's nice is that
15035you get this moment of celebration.
15036
150373234
1503802:12:54,720 --> 02:12:56,677
15039NOWLIN: "We did it. We're here."
15040BALL: Everyone's happy.
15041
150423235
1504302:12:56,760 --> 02:12:58,034
15044BALL: Everyone's excited,
15045
150463236
1504702:12:58,120 --> 02:13:02,034
15048but Thomas still has one last thing
15049to deal with, and that's Newt.
15050
150513237
1505202:13:02,600 --> 02:13:05,479
15053And so, that's why it works so well,
15054I think, to keep that scene in there.
15055
150563238
1505702:13:05,560 --> 02:13:08,473
15058It was a longer scene originally,
15059but we cut it down
15060
150613239
1506202:13:08,560 --> 02:13:10,392
15063to just bare essentials I think.
15064
150653240
1506602:13:12,360 --> 02:13:13,714
15067I like this shot in particular.
15068
150693241
1507002:13:13,800 --> 02:13:16,076
15071It's just good. It's just one long shot.
15072
150733242
1507402:13:16,560 --> 02:13:20,997
15075It's the two guys that, arguably,
15076we care about most now.
15077
150783243
1507902:13:21,520 --> 02:13:23,113
15080NOWLIN: Two people who need a moment.
15081
150823244
1508302:13:23,200 --> 02:13:26,079
15084It was all about rescuing Minho
15085and it came at a horrible cost,
15086
150873245
1508802:13:26,160 --> 02:13:28,993
15089- but they're together now.
15090- BALL: And in the books,
15091
150923246
1509302:13:29,080 --> 02:13:31,594
15094Newt's letter was a thing,
15095but it wasn't like this.
15096
150973247
1509802:13:31,680 --> 02:13:33,193
15099NOWLIN: Newt's letter was what was
15100
151013248
1510202:13:33,280 --> 02:13:35,078
15103urging him to pull the trigger
15104and kill him.
15105
151063249
1510702:13:35,160 --> 02:13:36,514
15108Newt was upset with him because he...
15109
151103250
1511102:13:36,600 --> 02:13:37,670
15112BALL: Because he didn't read it
15113or something like that.
15114
151153251
1511602:13:37,760 --> 02:13:38,830
15117He didn't read his letter.
15118
151193252
1512002:13:38,920 --> 02:13:39,910
15121NOWLIN: He didn't read it
15122at the right moment.
15123
151243253
1512502:13:40,000 --> 02:13:40,990
15126BALL: Yeah, or something like that.
15127
151283254
1512902:13:41,080 --> 02:13:42,639
15130It never really quite worked for me,
15131
151323255
1513302:13:42,720 --> 02:13:45,234
15134but this was our way
15135of bringing that letter back
15136
151373256
1513802:13:45,320 --> 02:13:49,109
15139and doing it in a way that it gave you
15140something to leave the theater with.
15141
151423257
1514302:13:49,200 --> 02:13:50,713
15144NOWLIN: It gives Newt
15145a presence in paradise.
15146
151473258
1514802:13:50,800 --> 02:13:52,234
15149BALL: Words of hope and a future.
15150
151513259
1515202:13:53,360 --> 02:13:58,389
15153And promise, which I think was a strong,
15154
151553260
1515602:13:58,480 --> 02:14:02,030
15157again, interpretation of the idea
15158of the letter in the books.
15159
151603261
1516102:14:02,120 --> 02:14:03,554
15162NOWLIN: What was hard
15163about writing this,
15164
151653262
1516602:14:03,680 --> 02:14:06,513
15167we went through, even just up to
15168about a month ago,
15169
151703263
1517102:14:06,640 --> 02:14:07,755
15172a couple of extra little lines,
15173
151743264
1517502:14:07,840 --> 02:14:11,720
15176'cause it also has to resonate with the
15177choice that Teresa has left Thomas with.
15178
151793265
1518002:14:11,800 --> 02:14:13,711
15181- Which Newt wouldn't have known about.
15182- BALL: Right.
15183
151843266
1518502:14:13,800 --> 02:14:14,870
15186NOWLIN: So it has to play
15187a double meaning.
15188
151893267
1519002:14:14,960 --> 02:14:15,950
15191BALL: He doesn't know that they're safe,
15192
151933268
1519402:14:16,040 --> 02:14:17,713
15195but he knows if he's reading it,
15196that he's probably safe.
15197
151983269
1519902:14:17,800 --> 02:14:19,199
15200NOWLIN: I think he's writing
15201from the point that he's safe,
15202
152033270
1520402:14:19,320 --> 02:14:20,594
15205but he doesn't know
15206that Thomas is the cure
15207
152083271
1520902:14:20,680 --> 02:14:22,034
15210and that he's wrestling
15211with what to do there.
15212
152133272
1521402:14:22,120 --> 02:14:25,636
15215So the idea of talking about,
15216"The future's up to you now,
15217
152183273
1521902:14:25,720 --> 02:14:26,949
15220"and I know you're gonna do
15221what's right."
15222
152233274
1522402:14:27,040 --> 02:14:28,075
15225BALL: "Whatever the choices
15226ahead of you,
15227
152283275
1522902:14:28,160 --> 02:14:29,753
15230"I know you're gonna
15231choose the right way."
15232
152333276
1523402:14:29,840 --> 02:14:33,595
15235NOWLIN: 'Cause it also needs to work for
15236Thomas putting Teresa's name on the...
15237
152383277
1523902:14:33,680 --> 02:14:34,829
15240HARTWICK JR.: Right. On the wall?
15241
152423278
1524302:14:34,960 --> 02:14:37,110
15244NOWLIN: That's another reason
15245why we can't cut the Vince speech.
15246
152473279
1524802:14:37,400 --> 02:14:38,549
15249BALL: You can. You just assume it,
15250
152513280
1525202:14:38,640 --> 02:14:41,439
15253but it does have a lot more power
15254when he says, "This is for them."
15255
152563281
1525702:14:41,520 --> 02:14:42,954
15258There's something nice about that.
15259
152603282
1526102:14:43,040 --> 02:14:46,078
15262You kinda know what they're doing
15263when they're doing it.
15264
152653283
1526602:14:47,360 --> 02:14:50,671
15267That's really Thomas',
15268or Thomas Brodie-Sangster's handwriting.
15269
152703284
1527102:14:50,760 --> 02:14:52,080
15272He really wrote the letter out.
15273
152743285
1527502:14:52,160 --> 02:14:53,958
15276- I have it. I stole it. (LAUGHS)
15277- NOWLIN: Oh, good.
15278
152793286
1528002:14:54,040 --> 02:14:55,439
15281BALL: I have it at home.
15282
152833287
1528402:14:56,880 --> 02:14:59,156
15285I have Chuck's little totem, too.
15286
152873288
1528802:14:59,240 --> 02:15:01,880
15289I don't have anything
15290from the second movie.
15291
152923289
1529302:15:01,960 --> 02:15:03,917
15294NOWLIN: Don't you have one of those
15295little baby Grievers?
15296
152973290
1529802:15:04,000 --> 02:15:05,195
15299BALL: Yeah, I have one of those,
15300
153013291
1530202:15:05,280 --> 02:15:07,715
15303but it's not something you can hold
15304or put on a wall. (LAUGHS)
15305
153063292
1530702:15:07,800 --> 02:15:09,996
15308NOWLIN: They're incredibly heavy.
15309BALL: Yeah, they are.
15310
153113293
1531202:15:10,880 --> 02:15:15,113
15313Another thing here is, John's score here
15314is freaking amazing.
15315
153163294
1531702:15:15,680 --> 02:15:17,318
15318But like no sound.
15319It's just very simple.
15320
153213295
1532202:15:17,400 --> 02:15:19,835
15323It's like there's something about
15324leaving the audience
15325
153263296
1532702:15:19,920 --> 02:15:23,390
15328with basically just Newt's voice,
15329and music
15330
153313297
1533202:15:23,480 --> 02:15:27,269
15333and the subtlest of waves
15334crashing on the shore,
15335
153363298
1533702:15:27,360 --> 02:15:31,831
15338these kind of waves of
15339everything washing away, essentially,
15340
153413299
1534202:15:31,920 --> 02:15:32,990
15343of the past movies.
15344
153453300
1534602:15:33,080 --> 02:15:35,469
15347There was something
15348really nice about it all.
15349
153503301
1535102:15:36,000 --> 02:15:38,037
15352It was necessary for Thomas.
15353
153543302
1535502:15:38,120 --> 02:15:43,513
15356He needed that last thing
15357that lets him let go and move on.
15358
153593303
1536002:15:44,880 --> 02:15:47,269
15361That's why it was an important line
15362that we all have.
15363
153643304
1536502:15:47,360 --> 02:15:49,715
15366And then he looks up
15367and he joins the group.
15368
153693305
1537002:15:50,600 --> 02:15:51,795
15371NOWLIN: He's been given permission.
15372
153733306
1537402:15:51,880 --> 02:15:54,076
15375BALL: Yeah, he's being given permission
15376to be happy
15377
153783307
1537902:15:54,160 --> 02:15:56,356
15380and move on, and look to the future.
15381
153823308
1538302:15:56,440 --> 02:16:00,559
15384NOWLIN: Can I say how sad it is that
15385Gally puts Chuck's name on the wall?
15386
153873309
1538802:16:00,640 --> 02:16:02,438
15389By the way, the name "Mary"
15390that Vince puts on there
15391
153923310
1539302:16:02,520 --> 02:16:05,478
15394is Lili Taylor's character
15395from the end of the second movie.
15396
153973311
1539802:16:05,560 --> 02:16:06,550
15399BALL: Yeah, just a little touch.
15400
154013312
1540202:16:06,640 --> 02:16:09,519
15403I mean, who knows what
15404their full story is, but we all know.
15405
154063313
1540702:16:09,640 --> 02:16:10,994
15408NOWLIN: Well, they're obviously
15409working together.
15410
154113314
1541202:16:11,080 --> 02:16:14,391
15413BALL: Yeah, but it's up for people to
15414make up their own minds on that stuff.
15415
154163315
1541702:16:14,520 --> 02:16:17,717
15418NOWLIN: I think she shows up in one of
15419the little prequel comics that they did.
15420
154213316
1542202:16:18,760 --> 02:16:19,955
15423BALL: This is all cool stuff though.
15424
154253317
1542602:16:20,040 --> 02:16:21,633
15427Just to see the group,
15428
154293318
1543002:16:21,720 --> 02:16:25,156
15431it's very reminiscent of
15432that first scene or that first...
15433
154343319
1543502:16:25,280 --> 02:16:26,395
15436NOWLIN: Night of the maze.
15437Night of the Glade.
15438
154393320
1544002:16:26,480 --> 02:16:27,470
15441BALL: Night of the maze or the Glade,
15442
154433321
1544402:16:27,560 --> 02:16:29,870
15445just happy and communal.
15446
154473322
1544802:16:30,520 --> 02:16:32,670
15449And it's all their friends,
15450and just laughing and having fun.
15451
154523323
1545302:16:32,760 --> 02:16:35,639
15454It's like we haven't had this
15455in the entire movie,
15456
154573324
1545802:16:35,720 --> 02:16:37,597
15459so it's a nice breath of fresh air.
15460
154613325
1546202:16:38,400 --> 02:16:40,676
15463You get to see this beautiful landscape,
15464
154653326
1546602:16:40,760 --> 02:16:44,469
15467and it feels like the world
15468is full of possibility now.
15469
154703327
1547102:16:44,960 --> 02:16:47,236
15472The two people that we set up
15473in the second movie
15474
154753328
1547602:16:47,320 --> 02:16:50,517
15477about this mythical safe haven
15478and wanting to get there,
15479
154803329
1548102:16:51,560 --> 02:16:55,713
15482and Jorge talking about, "We're gonna
15483use these kids to get there."
15484
154853330
1548602:16:55,800 --> 02:16:57,757
15487And he became a part of the group now.
15488
154893331
1549002:16:57,840 --> 02:16:58,875
15491They've wound up here, too.
15492
154933332
1549402:16:58,960 --> 02:17:00,837
15495It's all coming full circle.
15496
154973333
1549802:17:01,640 --> 02:17:06,874
15499This was obviously a big idea here with
15500Teresa's name symbolizing that...
15501
155023334
1550302:17:06,960 --> 02:17:08,280
15504NOWLIN: Growth.
15505BALL: ...full closure,
15506
155073335
1550802:17:08,360 --> 02:17:11,193
15509and yeah, the growth of,
15510I think, again...
15511
155123336
1551302:17:11,280 --> 02:17:12,679
15514She gave him something, too.
15515
155163337
1551702:17:12,760 --> 02:17:15,195
15518Just as much as Newt did
15519and the rest of the guys.
15520
155213338
1552202:17:15,920 --> 02:17:17,558
15523NOWLIN: Well, she earned her place
15524on that wall,
15525
155263339
1552702:17:17,640 --> 02:17:20,712
15528and Thomas has grown
15529to be willing to acknowledge that
15530
155313340
1553202:17:20,800 --> 02:17:22,438
15533- and put her up there.
15534- BALL: Right.
15535
155363341
1553702:17:22,520 --> 02:17:25,273
15538Yeah, and a lot of
15539our crew's names are there.
15540
155413342
1554202:17:30,360 --> 02:17:32,431
15543- I think it's a good ending.
15544- NOWLIN: It's a good movie.
15545
155463343
1554702:17:32,520 --> 02:17:35,160
15548BALL: It's a small ending,
15549which I think is cool.
15550
155513344
1555202:17:35,240 --> 02:17:37,959
15553We've always done
15554the big, giant endings.
15555
155563345
1555702:17:38,400 --> 02:17:39,799
15558NOWLIN: Yeah, "Tune in next year."
15559
155603346
1556102:17:39,880 --> 02:17:43,316
15562BALL: But I think it's so cool
15563that we end on... (LAUGHS)
15564
155653347
1556602:17:43,440 --> 02:17:44,714
15567NOWLIN: "What's the choice?"
15568
155693348
1557002:17:44,800 --> 02:17:45,790
15571BALL: Okay, I'm not even
15572gonna answer it,
15573
155743349
1557502:17:45,880 --> 02:17:46,950
15576but people can make their own choice up.
15577
155783350
1557902:17:47,040 --> 02:17:49,554
15580But he's looking at the boat
15581and he's got the cure in his hands.
15582
155833351
1558402:17:49,640 --> 02:17:51,631
15585You tell me what he's thinking.
15586
155873352
1558802:17:51,960 --> 02:17:53,280
15589There's always some question about that.
15590
155913353
1559202:17:53,360 --> 02:17:55,112
15593NOWLIN: What's more interesting to me
15594is, "What would you do?"
15595
155963354
1559702:17:55,200 --> 02:17:56,429
15598- Ask yourself that.
15599- BALL: That's the question.
15600
156013355
1560202:17:56,520 --> 02:17:57,510
15603NOWLIN: That's where you end.
15604
156053356
1560602:17:57,600 --> 02:17:58,920
15607BALL: We're not gonna answer it.
15608
156093357
1561002:17:59,040 --> 02:18:01,509
15611It's something cool about
15612the choices ahead of him
15613
156143358
1561502:18:01,600 --> 02:18:05,275
15616and then that's for you to talk about
15617in the parking lot. (LAUGHING)
15618
156193359
1562002:18:06,480 --> 02:18:07,993
15621NOWLIN: Good job, Wes.
15622It's a good movie.
15623
156243360
1562502:18:08,080 --> 02:18:09,878
15626BALL: Yeah, good job, everybody.
15627HARTWICK JR.: Well done.
15628
156293361
1563002:18:09,960 --> 02:18:11,439
15631BALL: It's been four,
15632five years I guess.
15633
156343362
1563502:18:11,520 --> 02:18:14,114
15636- That's the end of that little journey.
15637- HARTWICK JR.: Yeah. Five years.
15638
156393363
1564002:18:14,200 --> 02:18:18,717
15641BALL: So, I think this movie's
15642a farewell for all of us
15643
156443364
1564502:18:18,800 --> 02:18:21,360
15646as much as it is
15647for the characters I think.
15648
156493365
1565002:18:23,040 --> 02:18:25,429
15651It's been a fun ride,
15652
156533366
1565402:18:25,520 --> 02:18:28,990
15655but I think we're all excited to get out
15656into the world and move on, too.
15657
156583367
1565902:18:29,080 --> 02:18:30,798
15660NOWLIN: It feels like
15661graduating from college, in a sense.
15662
156633368
1566402:18:30,880 --> 02:18:34,350
15665You're sad to see it end,
15666you're saying goodbye,
15667
156683369
1566902:18:34,440 --> 02:18:37,193
15670but you're also excited
15671about what's next.
15672
156733370
1567402:18:37,280 --> 02:18:40,750
15675BALL: Yeah, but I hope everyone enjoyed.
15676
156773371
1567802:18:41,240 --> 02:18:42,355
15679Thanks to everybody.
15680
156813372
1568202:18:42,440 --> 02:18:43,669
15683Watch all the credits.
15684
156853373
1568602:18:43,760 --> 02:18:45,239
15687Appreciate everyone's work there.
15688
156893374
1569002:18:45,320 --> 02:18:48,278
15691A lot of the people in this crew
15692worked really, really hard
15693
156943375
1569502:18:48,360 --> 02:18:49,475
15696for all the movies actually.
15697
156983376
1569902:18:49,560 --> 02:18:51,278
15700Some of these people worked on
15701every single one of the movies.
15702
157033377
1570402:18:51,360 --> 02:18:52,998
15705Some people worked on
15706just this one movie,
15707
157083378
1570902:18:53,080 --> 02:18:54,912
15710and some people worked on
15711just two movies,
15712
157133379
1571402:18:55,000 --> 02:18:56,718
15715but appreciate everyone's effort
15716
157173380
1571802:18:56,800 --> 02:18:59,997
15719'cause it certainly can't happen
15720without everyone's contribution.
15721
157223381
1572302:19:00,080 --> 02:19:02,879
15724It's been fun to be a part of.
15725
157263382
1572702:19:02,960 --> 02:19:07,397
15728So, hope you all enjoy,
15729and thanks for listening.