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3<i> "Katharine Teresa Gun,</i>
4
52
600:00:59,091 --> 00:01:00,558
7<i>"you are charged with an offence</i>
8
93
1000:01:00,559 --> 00:01:03,030
11<i>"contrary to Section 1,
12Subsection 1</i>
13
144
1500:01:04,030 --> 00:01:08,232
16<i>"of the Official Secrets Act
17of 1989</i>
18
195
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21"and that you did knowingly
22and intentionally
23
246
2500:01:11,170 --> 00:01:13,972
26"disclose top secret
27intelligence information
28
297
3000:01:13,973 --> 00:01:15,177
31"contrary to the said act."
32
338
3400:01:18,177 --> 00:01:20,711
35How do you plead?
36
379
3800:01:20,712 --> 00:01:22,762
39Guilty or not guilty?
40
4110
4200:01:40,533 --> 00:01:43,533
43What?
44
4511
4600:01:40,533 --> 00:01:43,234
47The neighbors will hear.
48
4912
5000:01:43,235 --> 00:01:44,742
51Let's move over.
52
5313
5400:01:50,742 --> 00:01:52,742
55Better?
56
5714
5800:01:50,742 --> 00:01:52,687
59Better.
60
6115
6200:02:00,687 --> 00:02:03,367
63<i> And what about
64the situation
65of persuading the people?</i>
66
6716
6800:02:04,022 --> 00:02:05,324
69<i>Because it's very,
70to put it mildly</i>
71
7217
7300:02:05,325 --> 00:02:07,991
74<i>uncomfortable to go to war
75with 73% against.</i>
76
7718
7800:02:07,992 --> 00:02:10,895
79<i>If people are being asked
80today do you support a war,</i>
81
8219
8300:02:10,896 --> 00:02:14,198
84<i>my answer to that
85is we're not at war today.</i>
86
8720
8800:02:14,199 --> 00:02:16,435
89<i>I think especially,
90obviously, if the UN pass</i>
91
9221
9300:02:16,436 --> 00:02:18,068
94<i>the second resolution,
95as I believe they will</i>
96
9722
9800:02:18,069 --> 00:02:20,538
99<i>if the inspectors carry on
100saying he's not cooperating,</i>
101
10223
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104<i>I think public opinion
105is in a different place.</i>
106
10724
10800:02:22,474 --> 00:02:25,243
109<i>When your correspondent
110was saying</i>
111
11225
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114the war is inevitable,
115war is not inevitable.
116
11726
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119It depends on Saddam.
120
12127
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123If he cooperates
124with the inspectors,
125
12628
12700:02:32,018 --> 00:02:34,318
128if he says
129how much material he's got,
130
13129
13200:02:34,319 --> 00:02:36,254
133if he cooperates fully
134with them,
135
13630
13700:02:36,255 --> 00:02:37,356
138<i>then the issue's over.</i>
139
14031
14100:02:37,357 --> 00:02:38,990
142<i>But he's not doing that
143at the moment.</i>
144
14532
14600:02:38,991 --> 00:02:40,792
147Bloody liar.
148
14933
15000:02:40,793 --> 00:02:42,626
151They're all bloody liars.
152
15334
15400:02:42,627 --> 00:02:44,228
155You know, actually,
156I don't think they are.
157
15835
15900:02:44,229 --> 00:02:45,864
160I don't think the weapons
161inspectors are lying.
162
16336
16400:02:45,865 --> 00:02:47,232
165<i>This and international terrorism</i>
166
16737
16800:02:47,233 --> 00:02:49,067
169<i>are the two
170big security threats.</i>
171
17238
17300:02:49,068 --> 00:02:50,568
174Want coffee?
175
17639
17700:02:50,569 --> 00:02:52,037
178No, thanks.
179
18040
18100:02:52,038 --> 00:02:54,773
182<i> We were told,
183we were given to understand</i>
184
18541
18600:02:54,774 --> 00:02:57,141
187that what these inspectors
188were gonna come up with was
189
19042
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192evidence of weapons
193of mass destruction,
194
19543
19600:03:00,947 --> 00:03:02,579
197chemical,
198biological and nuclear.
199
20044
20100:03:02,580 --> 00:03:05,483
202What we know is that
203he has this material.
204
20545
20600:03:05,484 --> 00:03:07,552
207Oh, my God,
208we don't know that.
209We don't know that.
210
21146
21200:03:07,553 --> 00:03:09,113
213I mean, he just keeps
214repeating the lie.
215
21647
21700:03:10,022 --> 00:03:12,357
218You sure it's a lie?
219Saddam's a psychopath.
220
22148
22200:03:12,358 --> 00:03:13,657
223Yeah, well, just because
224you're the Prime Minister,
225
22649
22700:03:13,658 --> 00:03:15,494
228it doesn't mean you get
229to make up your own facts.
230
23150
23200:03:15,495 --> 00:03:17,294
233<i>Do you think you have
234the goods on him now?</i>
235
23651
23700:03:17,295 --> 00:03:19,897
238<i>I've got no doubt at all that
239he's developing these weapons</i>
240
24152
24200:03:19,898 --> 00:03:21,946
243<i>and that he poses a threat.</i>
244
24553
24600:03:33,946 --> 00:03:35,946
247Be at the cafe by 4:00.
248
24954
25000:03:33,946 --> 00:03:35,847
251I can fetch you at 5:00.
252
25355
25400:03:35,848 --> 00:03:38,216
255No, no, no. I was gonna
256get the bus. I love you.
257
25856
25900:03:38,217 --> 00:03:39,222
260Love you.
261
26257
26300:03:51,263 --> 00:03:52,363
264Yes.
265
26658
26700:03:52,364 --> 00:03:54,698
268You know he has a place
269in Devon.
270
27159
27200:03:54,699 --> 00:03:57,268
273He wants to
274take me surfing
275with his dog.
276
27760
27800:03:57,269 --> 00:03:59,269
279Is that a bad thing?
280
28161
28200:03:57,269 --> 00:03:59,237
283No, it's a great dog.
284
28562
28600:03:59,238 --> 00:04:00,304
287Okay.
288
28963
29000:04:00,305 --> 00:04:01,638
291When was the last time
292you got away?
293
29464
29500:04:01,639 --> 00:04:03,208
296Oh, don't know,
297three or four weeks ago.
298
29965
30000:04:03,209 --> 00:04:04,609
301We went hiking in Yorkshire.
302
30366
30400:04:04,610 --> 00:04:06,678
305Oh. Shall we all
306go hiking together?
307
30867
30900:04:06,679 --> 00:04:08,780
310Yeah, that would
311be lovely. With the dog?
312
31368
31400:04:08,781 --> 00:04:09,781
315Mmm.
316
31769
31800:04:17,589 --> 00:04:18,795
319Oh!
320
32170
32200:04:22,795 --> 00:04:25,063
323Oh, thank you.
324
32571
32600:04:25,064 --> 00:04:26,233
327I'm starving.
328
32972
33000:04:28,233 --> 00:04:30,335
331I've been here
332since 5:00,
333
33473
33500:04:30,336 --> 00:04:32,136
336listening to
337a Russian embassy staffer
338
33974
34000:04:32,137 --> 00:04:34,371
341trying to bribe
342a North Korean defector
343
34475
34500:04:34,372 --> 00:04:36,207
346who's been downloading
347some kinky shit.
348
34976
35000:04:36,208 --> 00:04:37,708
351Very arousing few hours.
352
35377
35400:04:37,709 --> 00:04:39,244
355You're disgusting.
356
35778
35800:04:39,245 --> 00:04:41,278
359It's for
360the Queen and country.
361
36279
36300:04:41,279 --> 00:04:42,946
364MI6 thought the Korean
365was one of ours.
366
36780
36800:04:42,947 --> 00:04:44,282
369I just proved he's not.
370
37181
37200:04:44,283 --> 00:04:47,417
373GCHQ, 1. MI6, 0.
374
37582
37600:04:47,418 --> 00:04:48,720
377Katharine.
378
37983
38000:04:48,721 --> 00:04:50,689
381I need your Beijing report
382for the Foreign Office.
383
38484
38500:04:50,690 --> 00:04:52,724
386They start trade talks
387next week.
388
38985
39000:04:52,725 --> 00:04:53,964
391Yeah, on it.
392
39386
39400:05:40,673 --> 00:05:42,707
395<i>"As you've likely heard by now</i>
396
39787
39800:05:42,708 --> 00:05:44,975
399<i>"the Agency is mounting a surge</i>
400
40188
40200:05:44,976 --> 00:05:48,546
403<i>"particularly directed at the
404UN Security Council members</i>
405
40689
40700:05:48,547 --> 00:05:50,915
408<i>"minus US and Great Britain,
409of course</i>
410
41190
41200:05:50,916 --> 00:05:54,118
413<i>"for insights as to how
414membership is reacting</i>
415
41691
41700:05:54,119 --> 00:05:56,453
418<i>"to the ongoing debate RE Iraq.</i>
419
42092
42100:05:56,454 --> 00:05:59,857
422<i>"That means
423a QRC surge effort to revive,</i>
424
42593
42600:05:59,858 --> 00:06:04,129
427<i>"create efforts against
428UN Security Council members,</i>
429
43094
43100:06:04,130 --> 00:06:06,033
432<i>"Angola, Cameroon,</i>
433
43495
43500:06:07,033 --> 00:06:10,747
436<i>"Chile, Bulgaria and Guinea."</i>
437
43896
43900:06:20,747 --> 00:06:21,982
440Andy.
441
44297
44300:06:22,982 --> 00:06:24,552
444Did you get this NSA e-mail?
445
44698
44700:06:26,552 --> 00:06:28,253
448Are the Yanks
449really asking us
450to dig up personal shit
451
45299
45300:06:28,254 --> 00:06:30,722
454on UN Security Council
455delegates?
456
457100
45800:06:30,723 --> 00:06:33,256
459"They want
460the whole gamut of info
461
462101
46300:06:33,257 --> 00:06:35,458
464"that could give
465US policy makers an edge
466
467102
46800:06:35,459 --> 00:06:38,429
469"in obtaining results
470favorable to US goals."
471
472103
47300:06:38,430 --> 00:06:40,799
474Christ, they wanna fix the vote.
475
476104
47700:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,600
478"This effort will probably
479peak in the middle
480of next week
481
482105
48300:06:43,601 --> 00:06:46,037
484"following the Secretary
485of State's presentation
486
487106
48800:06:46,038 --> 00:06:47,209
489"to the UN Security Council."
490
491107
49200:06:50,209 --> 00:06:52,477
493Powell's gonna argue for war.
494
495108
49600:06:52,478 --> 00:06:54,177
497And they're gonna
498blackmail
499the smaller nations
500
501109
50200:06:54,178 --> 00:06:56,914
503to make sure
504they get it. Fuck.
505
506110
50700:06:56,915 --> 00:06:59,417
508Excuse me.
509Question.
510
511111
51200:06:59,418 --> 00:07:00,484
513Yeah.
514
515112
51600:07:05,456 --> 00:07:08,559
517Uh, this NSA memo,
518our people approved it?
519
520113
52100:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,261
522Yes, that's why
523it's been forwarded.
524
525114
52600:07:10,262 --> 00:07:13,431
527The Americans want us
528to help them get
529a UN resolution for war?
530
531115
53200:07:13,432 --> 00:07:15,165
533By next week?
534
535116
53600:07:15,166 --> 00:07:17,637
537It's a joint UK/USA operation.
538
539117
54000:07:18,637 --> 00:07:20,812
541UKUSA. Right.
542Got it.
543
544118
54500:07:27,812 --> 00:07:30,750
546Hey,
547ours not to reason why.
548
549119
55000:07:31,750 --> 00:07:33,318
551Everything good today,
552Mrs. Archer?
553
554120
55500:07:33,319 --> 00:07:35,352
556Yes, thank you.
557Very good.
558Very, very good.
559
560121
56100:07:35,353 --> 00:07:36,921
562I'll see you again
563tomorrow, yes?
564
565122
56600:07:36,922 --> 00:07:37,922
567Yes.
568
569123
57000:07:39,125 --> 00:07:40,492
571Thank you, dear.
572
573124
57400:07:41,492 --> 00:07:43,492
575Hey.
576
577125
57800:07:41,492 --> 00:07:43,165
579Hey.
580
581126
58200:07:46,165 --> 00:07:47,767
583You okay?
584
585127
58600:07:48,767 --> 00:07:51,535
587Yeah, it's been a long day.
588
589128
59000:07:51,536 --> 00:07:54,873
591I need ten minutes.
592Want something to eat?
593
594129
59500:07:54,874 --> 00:07:55,875
596No.
597
598130
59900:07:56,875 --> 00:07:58,342
600You working this weekend?
601
602131
60300:07:58,343 --> 00:08:00,111
604Could we go somewhere,
605get out of town?
606
607132
60800:08:00,112 --> 00:08:03,181
609Sorry,<i> janum,</i>
610I'll get next weekend
611for sure.
612
613133
61400:08:03,182 --> 00:08:06,249
615<i> A question
616for the President if I may.</i>
617
618134
61900:08:06,250 --> 00:08:10,388
620<i>What is the status,
621in your view,
622of any second resolution?</i>
623
624135
62500:08:10,389 --> 00:08:11,989
626<i>Is it something
627that you think is worth</i>
628
629136
63000:08:11,990 --> 00:08:15,960
631<i>spending time and energy
632trying to assemble?</i>
633
634137
63500:08:15,961 --> 00:08:17,695
636<i>Just let me reiterate
637what I just said.</i>
638
639138
64000:08:17,696 --> 00:08:19,216
641<i>This is a matter of weeks,
642not months.</i>
643
644139
64500:08:21,100 --> 00:08:23,768
646<i>Any attempt to drag
647the process on for months</i>
648
649140
65000:08:23,769 --> 00:08:25,703
651<i>will be resisted
652by the United States.</i>
653
654141
65500:08:25,704 --> 00:08:28,704
656Can we watch something else?
657
658142
65900:08:25,704 --> 00:08:28,239
660No, no, this is important.
661
662143
66300:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,009
664<i>Secretary Powell
665will make a strong case</i>
666
667144
66800:08:32,009 --> 00:08:35,247
669<i>about the danger
670of an armed Saddam Hussein</i>
671
672145
67300:08:35,248 --> 00:08:38,383
674<i>and he will also talk
675about Al-Qaeda links.</i>
676
677146
67800:08:38,384 --> 00:08:40,218
679Come on, there are
680no credible links
681
682147
68300:08:40,219 --> 00:08:41,686
684between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.
685
686148
68700:08:41,687 --> 00:08:43,521
688<i>...really do portend
689a danger...</i>
690
691149
69200:08:43,522 --> 00:08:44,522
693I'll turn it off.
694
695150
69600:08:43,522 --> 00:08:44,955
697No, no, no, no, no.
698
699151
70000:08:44,956 --> 00:08:46,056
701Please, I need to watch this.
702
703152
70400:08:46,057 --> 00:08:47,425
705I need to know
706what they're saying.
707
708153
70900:08:47,426 --> 00:08:49,627
710I mean, yes.
711Yes, Saddam
712is a dictator,
713
714154
71500:08:49,628 --> 00:08:51,095
716but he is not a religious nut.
717
718155
71900:08:51,096 --> 00:08:53,431
720I mean, why would
721he risk arming Al-Qaeda
722
723156
72400:08:53,432 --> 00:08:56,367
725and have them
726turn against him?
727It doesn't make any sense!
728
729157
73000:08:56,368 --> 00:08:57,634
731Fine, but yelling at the TV
732
733158
73400:08:57,635 --> 00:08:59,470
735isn't going to make
736any difference.
737
738159
73900:08:59,471 --> 00:09:02,373
740They can't bloody hear you.
741
742160
74300:09:02,374 --> 00:09:03,374
744Where you going?
745
746161
74700:09:02,374 --> 00:09:03,907
748To read a book.
749
750162
75100:09:03,908 --> 00:09:06,210
752<i>You see, my vision
753shifted dramatically</i>
754
755163
75600:09:06,211 --> 00:09:07,711
757<i>after September 11.</i>
758
759164
76000:09:07,712 --> 00:09:09,080
761<i>I realized
762the world has changed.</i>
763
764165
76500:09:09,081 --> 00:09:11,614
766<i>My most important obligation
767is to protect</i>
768
769166
77000:09:11,615 --> 00:09:13,784
771<i>the American people
772from further harm.</i>
773
774167
77500:09:13,785 --> 00:09:15,554
776<i>And I will do that.</i>
777
778168
77900:09:16,554 --> 00:09:17,554
780<i>Thank you all very much.</i>
781
782169
78300:09:26,798 --> 00:09:29,798
784Love you.
785
786170
78700:09:26,798 --> 00:09:29,133
788Love you.
789
790171
79100:09:29,134 --> 00:09:31,336
792Don't forget
793to check in
794at the station.
795
796172
79700:09:32,336 --> 00:09:33,937
798What are you gonna do?
799
800173
80100:09:33,938 --> 00:09:37,274
802- I don't know.
803- Read a book.
804
805174
80600:09:37,275 --> 00:09:38,514
807I'll be back
808by 7:00 latest.
809
810175
81100:09:54,493 --> 00:09:55,993
812Mr. Gun. Signing in?
813
814176
81500:09:55,994 --> 00:09:57,494
816Yes, thank you.
817
818177
81900:10:02,234 --> 00:10:04,302
820When will you know
821if you can stay?
822
823178
82400:10:04,303 --> 00:10:05,637
825They don't say.
826
827179
82800:10:05,638 --> 00:10:07,205
829Could be weeks.
830Could be months.
831
832180
83300:10:07,206 --> 00:10:09,206
834You never know
835with immigration,
836do you?
837
838181
83900:10:09,207 --> 00:10:10,207
840I know.
841
842182
84300:10:10,208 --> 00:10:11,242
844Thank you.
845
846183
84700:10:11,243 --> 00:10:12,745
848Hi, Jasmine, it's Kath.
849
850184
85100:10:13,745 --> 00:10:15,014
852Uh, are you around today?
853
854185
85500:10:16,014 --> 00:10:18,621
856<i>I'd love to come and see you.</i>
857
858186
85900:10:23,621 --> 00:10:25,621
860Kath.
861
862187
86300:10:23,621 --> 00:10:25,255
864Hi.
865
866188
86700:10:25,256 --> 00:10:27,726
868Oh, come here.
869
870189
87100:10:28,726 --> 00:10:30,260
872Hello.
873
874190
87500:10:30,261 --> 00:10:32,263
876Targeting who?
877
878191
87900:10:32,264 --> 00:10:34,599
880The UN Security Council.
881
882192
88300:10:34,600 --> 00:10:35,966
884Particularly
885the non-permanent members
886
887193
88800:10:35,967 --> 00:10:38,036
889who could swing the vote
890in favor of war.
891
892194
89300:10:38,037 --> 00:10:39,340
894Jesus.
895
896195
89700:10:41,340 --> 00:10:43,641
898Maybe it's time to quit.
899
900196
90100:10:43,642 --> 00:10:45,308
902You know, they say
903if you stay at GCHQ
904
905197
90600:10:45,309 --> 00:10:47,978
907for more than five years,
908you never leave.
909
910198
91100:10:47,979 --> 00:10:49,747
912I've still got two to go then.
913
914199
91500:10:49,748 --> 00:10:51,581
916So you've still
917got a conscience.
918
919200
92000:10:53,884 --> 00:10:55,484
921Are you still organizing
922against the war?
923
924201
92500:10:59,091 --> 00:11:01,859
926Does GCHQ have a problem
927with that?
928
929202
93000:11:01,860 --> 00:11:03,360
931What? No.
932
933203
93400:11:03,361 --> 00:11:04,732
935Give me your phone.
936
937204
93800:11:07,732 --> 00:11:10,533
939I've already
940taken the battery out.
941
942205
94300:11:10,534 --> 00:11:12,034
944I called you from a payphone.
945
946206
94700:11:12,035 --> 00:11:13,176
948Sorry.
949
950207
95100:11:17,176 --> 00:11:18,179
952Go on.
953
954208
95500:11:22,179 --> 00:11:23,216
956I just thought...
957
958209
95900:11:26,216 --> 00:11:28,020
960...if I could get you
961a copy of the memo,
962
963210
96400:11:29,020 --> 00:11:31,788
965then maybe you could get
966somebody to look it over.
967
968211
96900:11:31,789 --> 00:11:33,056
970I don't know, a journalist,
971
972212
97300:11:33,057 --> 00:11:34,337
974someone
975in the anti-war movement.
976
977213
97800:11:35,027 --> 00:11:37,195
979Look, if the press think
980it's nothing, fine.
981
982214
98300:11:37,196 --> 00:11:39,231
984At least my conscience is clear.
985
986215
98700:11:40,231 --> 00:11:42,266
988Your conscience?
989
990216
99100:11:42,267 --> 00:11:44,936
992Kat, you're asking me
993to collude in a breach
994
995217
99600:11:44,937 --> 00:11:48,942
997of the Official Secrets Act.
998Some call that treason.
999
1000218
100100:11:49,942 --> 00:11:52,011
1002I am not trying to overthrow
1003my government.
1004
1005219
100600:11:53,011 --> 00:11:57,148
1007I just think if someone
1008in the press saw it,
1009
1010220
101100:11:57,149 --> 00:11:59,617
1012they might ask more questions
1013about what the Americans
1014
1015221
101600:11:59,618 --> 00:12:01,075
1017are asking this country to do.
1018
1019222
102000:12:23,075 --> 00:12:25,810
1021Hey, Kat,
1022they're sending me
1023and Dan to London
1024
1025223
102600:12:25,811 --> 00:12:27,644
1027to learn Farsi.
1028
1029224
103000:12:27,645 --> 00:12:29,846
1031Wow, Farsi. Congrats.
1032
1033225
103400:12:29,847 --> 00:12:31,847
1035How many languages now?
1036
1037226
103800:12:29,847 --> 00:12:31,015
1039Eight.
1040
1041227
104200:12:32,015 --> 00:12:33,618
1043She's a freakin' super spy.
1044
1045228
104600:12:33,619 --> 00:12:35,518
1047Andy, where's
1048my Pyongyang report?
1049
1050229
105100:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,519
1052Ah, one more hour.
1053
1054230
105500:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,657
1056Yeah, just get it done.
1057
1058231
105900:12:38,657 --> 00:12:40,657
1060When do you leave?
1061
1062232
106300:12:38,657 --> 00:12:40,624
1064Two weeks.
1065
1066233
106700:12:40,625 --> 00:12:42,859
1068You'll have to come visit me.
1069
1070234
107100:14:30,368 --> 00:14:32,436
1072Is that
1073the Foreign Office report?
1074
1075235
107600:14:32,437 --> 00:14:34,437
1077Uh, it's a rough draft.
1078
1079236
108000:14:32,437 --> 00:14:34,205
1081Well, finish it.
1082
1083237
108400:14:34,206 --> 00:14:35,840
1085Defense section
1086needs extra hands.
1087
1088238
108900:14:35,841 --> 00:14:37,774
1090I said I'd send you
1091over there this afternoon.
1092
1093239
109400:14:37,775 --> 00:14:38,775
1095Okay, will do.
1096
1097240
109800:14:54,292 --> 00:14:56,659
1099<i>What we're giving you
1100our facts and conclusions</i>
1101
1102241
110300:14:56,660 --> 00:14:59,463
1104<i>based on solid intelligence.</i>
1105
1106242
110700:14:59,464 --> 00:15:03,334
1108<i>The issue before us
1109is not how much time</i>
1110
1111243
111200:15:03,335 --> 00:15:06,303
1113<i>we are willing to give
1114the inspectors,</i>
1115
1116244
111700:15:06,304 --> 00:15:09,706
1118<i>but how much longer
1119are we willing to put up</i>
1120
1121245
112200:15:09,707 --> 00:15:14,845
1123<i>with Iraq's non-compliance
1124before we as a council,</i>
1125
1126246
112700:15:14,846 --> 00:15:18,415
1128<i>we as United Nations say enough.</i>
1129
1130247
113100:15:18,416 --> 00:15:19,452
1132<i>Enough.</i>
1133
1134248
113500:15:20,452 --> 00:15:23,186
1136<i>We have first-hand descriptions</i>
1137
1138249
113900:15:23,187 --> 00:15:27,557
1140<i>of biological weapons
1141factories on wheels
1142and on rails.</i>
1143
1144250
114500:15:27,558 --> 00:15:30,460
1146<i>The trucks and train cars
1147are easily moved</i>
1148
1149251
115000:15:30,461 --> 00:15:34,065
1151<i>and are designed to evade
1152detection by inspectors.</i>
1153
1154252
115500:15:34,066 --> 00:15:36,167
1156<i>Although Iraq's
1157mobile production program</i>
1158
1159253
116000:15:36,168 --> 00:15:38,168
1161<i>began in mid-1990s,</i>
1162
1163254
116400:15:38,169 --> 00:15:42,072
1165<i>UN inspectors at the time
1166only had vague hints</i>
1167
1168255
116900:15:42,073 --> 00:15:43,907
1170<i>of such programs.</i>
1171
1172256
117300:15:43,908 --> 00:15:47,177
1174<i>Confirmation came later
1175in the year 2000.</i>
1176
1177257
117800:15:47,178 --> 00:15:49,846
1179<i>The source was an eyewitness.</i>
1180
1181258
118200:15:49,847 --> 00:15:51,315
1183<i>An Iraqi chemical engineer</i>
1184
1185259
118600:15:51,316 --> 00:15:53,584
1187<i>who supervised
1188one of these facilities.</i>
1189
1190260
119100:15:53,585 --> 00:15:54,585
1192Hi.
1193
1194261
119500:15:55,553 --> 00:15:56,556
1196Hi.
1197
1198262
119900:15:57,556 --> 00:16:00,524
1200I'm gonna watch some football.
1201Do you mind?
1202
1203263
120400:16:00,525 --> 00:16:01,525
1205No. Go for it.
1206
1207264
120800:16:54,446 --> 00:16:58,249
1209<i> From the north,
1210the south,
1211the east and the west,</i>
1212
1213265
121400:16:58,250 --> 00:17:00,151
1215<i>from the left, the right</i>
1216
1217266
121800:17:00,152 --> 00:17:02,452
1219<i>from the radical
1220to the uncommitted</i>
1221
1222267
122300:17:02,453 --> 00:17:03,754
1224<i>they came.</i>
1225
1226268
122700:17:05,423 --> 00:17:07,791
1228<i>Well, we can argue
1229forever about the
1230validity of opinion polls,</i>
1231
1232269
123300:17:07,792 --> 00:17:10,160
1234<i>but what surely matters today</i>
1235
1236270
123700:17:10,161 --> 00:17:12,729
1238<i>is that this proposed war
1239by Britain</i>
1240
1241271
124200:17:12,730 --> 00:17:15,499
1243<i>is historically unpopular</i>
1244
1245272
124600:17:15,500 --> 00:17:17,768
1247<i>and the mother of all
1248focus groups has descended.</i>
1249
1250273
125100:17:17,769 --> 00:17:20,671
1252Hey, Martin.
1253We're now doing
1254some real reporting.
1255
1256274
125700:17:20,672 --> 00:17:23,207
1258It's huge.
1259Police are saying
1260over 500,000.
1261
1262275
126300:17:23,208 --> 00:17:25,275
1264Organizers are saying
1265over two million.
1266
1267276
126800:17:25,276 --> 00:17:26,844
1269So it will be a million then?
1270
1271277
127200:17:26,845 --> 00:17:28,545
1273Well, it's everywhere.
1274Every country.
1275
1276278
127700:17:28,546 --> 00:17:30,980
1278Biggest demonstration
1279in human history.
1280
1281279
128200:17:30,981 --> 00:17:33,584
1283Roger, I filed this story
1284seven times.
1285
1286280
128700:17:33,585 --> 00:17:36,520
1288And seven times
1289I have told you
1290I'm not going to print it.
1291
1292281
129300:17:36,521 --> 00:17:38,121
1294Ed, this paper supports the war.
1295
1296282
129700:17:38,122 --> 00:17:39,723
1298Our sources support
1299the war, Kamal.
1300
1301283
130200:17:39,724 --> 00:17:42,226
1303All I'm asking is that
1304mine be given equal time.
1305
1306284
130700:17:42,227 --> 00:17:43,227
1308Fair enough.
1309
1310285
131100:17:42,227 --> 00:17:43,326
1312Thank you.
1313
1314286
131500:17:43,327 --> 00:17:44,495
1316Well,
1317what do they say, Ed?
1318
1319287
132000:17:44,496 --> 00:17:46,396
1321That intelligence
1322is being manipulated
1323
1324288
132500:17:46,397 --> 00:17:48,900
1326to support an invasion
1327that Bush Junior's
1328been pushing for
1329
1330289
133100:17:48,901 --> 00:17:51,401
1332ever since Saddam
1333tried to kill
1334his daddy in '93.
1335
1336290
133700:17:51,402 --> 00:17:53,237
1338Oh, come on,
1339your source is retired.
1340
1341291
134200:17:53,238 --> 00:17:54,238
1343My source is ex-CIA!
1344
1345292
134600:17:55,006 --> 00:17:56,472
1347He talks to agents every day
1348
1349293
135000:17:56,473 --> 00:17:58,241
1351and he's talking to me
1352on the record!
1353
1354294
135500:17:58,242 --> 00:18:01,377
1356Named source! Christ!
1357
1358295
135900:18:01,378 --> 00:18:03,480
1360If you're gonna encourage
1361a country to go to war,
1362
1363296
136400:18:03,481 --> 00:18:05,481
1365perhaps you should spend
1366some time on
1367the front lines yourself!
1368
1369297
137000:18:05,482 --> 00:18:06,982
1371That is
1372a cheap shot, Ed.
1373
1374298
137500:18:06,983 --> 00:18:08,185
1376Is it?
1377
1378299
137900:18:08,186 --> 00:18:09,420
1380We're the press, for God's sake,
1381
1382300
138300:18:09,421 --> 00:18:11,422
1384not a fucking PR agency
1385for Tony Blair.
1386
1387301
138800:18:11,423 --> 00:18:12,423
1389That's enough!
1390
1391302
139200:18:12,424 --> 00:18:13,826
1393All right!
1394
1395303
139600:18:14,826 --> 00:18:16,360
1397You, go back to the States.
1398
1399304
140000:18:16,361 --> 00:18:17,827
1401I want you to find me
1402something from a source
1403
1404305
140500:18:17,828 --> 00:18:19,429
1406who hasn't already retired
1407
1408306
140900:18:19,430 --> 00:18:21,265
1410and then maybe I'll rethink it.
1411
1412307
141300:18:21,266 --> 00:18:22,866
1414You're doing
1415a great job of it.
1416We just need some more.
1417
1418308
141900:18:22,867 --> 00:18:25,670
1420Yes, Peter.
1421Fuck you very much.
1422
1423309
142400:18:25,671 --> 00:18:26,938
1425And fewer words!
1426
1427310
142800:18:26,939 --> 00:18:29,806
1429If I ask for 500,
1430don't send me 3,000!
1431
1432311
143300:18:29,807 --> 00:18:32,675
1434This paper needs to take
1435its finger out of its arse
1436
1437312
143800:18:32,676 --> 00:18:35,278
1439and stop taking
1440Tony Blair's press releases
1441
1442313
144300:18:35,279 --> 00:18:36,847
1444at face fucking value!
1445
1446314
144700:18:36,848 --> 00:18:38,848
1448Hear, hear.
1449
1450315
145100:18:36,848 --> 00:18:38,714
1452Abso-fucking-lutely.
1453
1454316
145500:18:38,715 --> 00:18:39,715
1456Christ!
1457
1458317
145900:18:39,716 --> 00:18:40,988
1460You're too bloody right.
1461
1462318
146300:18:43,988 --> 00:18:45,823
1464Brighty, where's my piece
1465
1466319
146700:18:45,824 --> 00:18:48,659
1468comparing Saddam
1469to Milosevic?
1470I need 400 words.
1471
1472320
147300:18:48,660 --> 00:18:50,995
1474Yeah. It's not really
1475a 400-word topic, Rog.
1476
1477321
147800:18:50,996 --> 00:18:53,236
1479Yeah, it is. We have a right
1480to intervene in the Balkans.
1481
1482322
148300:18:54,031 --> 00:18:55,164
1484We should do the same in Iraq.
1485
1486323
148700:18:55,165 --> 00:18:56,566
1488Iraq's a little
1489more complicated.
1490
1491324
149200:18:56,567 --> 00:18:58,067
1493You've got Suni and Shia...
1494
1495325
149600:18:58,068 --> 00:18:59,202
1497Oh, fuck Sonny and Cher!
1498
1499326
150000:18:59,203 --> 00:19:01,538
1501What is this?
1502"I got you babe?"
1503
1504327
150500:19:01,539 --> 00:19:03,779
1506Just give me 400 words
1507the average reader
1508will understand.
1509
1510328
151100:19:04,008 --> 00:19:05,942
1512Milosevic bad.
1513Saddam bad.
1514
1515329
151600:19:05,943 --> 00:19:09,113
1517Just write a fucking story.
1518Stop overthinking it.
1519
1520330
152100:19:09,114 --> 00:19:10,619
1522All right.
1523
1524331
152500:19:15,619 --> 00:19:16,586
1526That was helpful.
1527
1528332
152900:19:16,587 --> 00:19:18,389
1530Just write the piece
1531as you see it, Martin,
1532
1533333
153400:19:18,390 --> 00:19:20,891
1535and we'll cut it down later
1536if we need to, all right?
1537
1538334
153900:19:20,892 --> 00:19:22,826
1540Okay. Thank you, Peter.
1541
1542335
154300:19:26,897 --> 00:19:28,131
1544Sonny and Cher.
1545
1546336
154700:19:31,202 --> 00:19:32,670
1548Martin Bright.
1549
1550337
155100:19:32,671 --> 00:19:34,505
1552<i>I've got something
1553you need to see.</i>
1554
1555338
155600:19:34,506 --> 00:19:37,109
1557<i>It's big, Martin, really big.</i>
1558
1559339
156000:19:39,109 --> 00:19:40,116
1561Yvonne?
1562
1563340
156400:19:46,116 --> 00:19:47,183
1565Yvonne?
1566
1567341
156800:19:52,891 --> 00:19:55,992
1569Martin. So good to see you.
1570
1571342
157200:19:55,993 --> 00:19:58,127
1573In an underground car park?
1574
1575343
157600:19:58,128 --> 00:20:00,931
1577It's a little Deep Throat,
1578don't you think?
1579
1580344
158100:20:00,932 --> 00:20:02,932
1582There's no signal down here.
1583
1584345
158500:20:00,932 --> 00:20:02,336
1586Right.
1587
1588346
158900:20:05,336 --> 00:20:07,086
1590Wait till you see this.
1591
1592347
159300:20:21,086 --> 00:20:22,086
1594Who gave you this?
1595
1596348
159700:20:22,087 --> 00:20:23,653
1598Can't say.
1599
1600349
160100:20:23,654 --> 00:20:25,122
1602There's no info
1603saying who sent it.
1604
1605350
160600:20:25,123 --> 00:20:26,643
1607This could have been
1608written by anyone.
1609
1610351
161100:20:28,358 --> 00:20:29,358
1612That's who wrote it.
1613
1614352
161500:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,828
1616Well.
1617
1618353
161900:20:31,828 --> 00:20:33,363
1620Frank Koza.
1621
1622354
162300:20:33,364 --> 00:20:34,864
1624Who the fuck is Frank Koza?
1625
1626355
162700:20:34,865 --> 00:20:36,266
1628NSA.
1629
1630356
163100:20:36,267 --> 00:20:38,568
1632And this I know
1633because the letters NSA
1634
1635357
163600:20:38,569 --> 00:20:41,671
1637have been written on the back
1638with a leaky ballpoint.
1639
1640358
164100:20:41,672 --> 00:20:43,640
1642My source says
1643the header wasn't printed
1644
1645359
164600:20:43,641 --> 00:20:46,346
1647to protect the recipients
1648at GCHQ.
1649
1650360
165100:20:48,346 --> 00:20:49,412
1652When did you get it?
1653
1654361
165500:20:49,413 --> 00:20:50,413
1656Two weeks ago.
1657
1658362
165900:20:49,413 --> 00:20:50,815
1660Two weeks?
1661
1662363
166300:20:50,816 --> 00:20:53,216
1664I gave it to<i>
1665The Mirror</i> first.
1666Sorry.
1667
1668364
166900:20:53,217 --> 00:20:55,486
1670Jesus. Why didn't
1671they run it?
1672
1673365
167400:20:55,487 --> 00:20:56,487
1675They thought it was fake.
1676
1677366
167800:20:56,488 --> 00:20:57,721
1679No shit.
1680
1681367
168200:20:57,722 --> 00:20:59,222
1683Is your source NSA?
1684
1685368
168600:20:59,223 --> 00:21:00,757
1687No. A friend of the recipient.
1688
1689369
169000:21:00,758 --> 00:21:03,758
1691A good friend.
1692
1693370
169400:21:00,758 --> 00:21:03,160
1695A friend of a friend?
1696
1697371
169800:21:03,161 --> 00:21:06,130
1699A good friend
1700of a trusted friend.
1701
1702372
170300:21:06,131 --> 00:21:07,397
1704I'm sure it's real.
1705
1706373
170700:21:07,398 --> 00:21:09,066
1708Then why don't you
1709write the story?
1710
1711374
171200:21:09,067 --> 00:21:10,633
1713Oh, come on, Martin.
1714
1715375
171600:21:10,634 --> 00:21:13,404
1717I'm anti-war.
1718You're with<i> The Observer.</i>
1719
1720376
172100:21:14,404 --> 00:21:16,817
1722Just check it out.
1723
1724377
172500:21:31,122 --> 00:21:33,356
1726<i> NSA Press Office.
1727 How may I assist you?</i>
1728
1729378
173000:21:33,357 --> 00:21:34,624
1731Yes, hi, hello there.
1732
1733379
173400:21:34,625 --> 00:21:37,294
1735This is Martin Bright
1736from<i> The Observer</i> in London.
1737
1738380
173900:21:37,295 --> 00:21:39,063
1740Um, I'd like to arrange
1741an interview
1742
1743381
174400:21:39,064 --> 00:21:40,730
1745with Mr. Frank Koza.
1746
1747382
174800:21:40,731 --> 00:21:43,233
1749May I speak
1750to his office, please?
1751
1752383
175300:21:43,234 --> 00:21:44,734
1754<i>I'm sorry, Mr. Bright?</i>
1755
1756384
175700:21:44,735 --> 00:21:46,370
1758Martin Bright, yes.
1759
1760385
176100:21:46,371 --> 00:21:47,871
1762<i>Yes. Who did you wanna get?</i>
1763
1764386
176500:21:47,872 --> 00:21:51,607
1766Frank Koza, "Chief of Staff,
1767Regional Targets."
1768
1769387
177000:21:51,608 --> 00:21:53,477
1771<i>Mr. Bright, I'm afraid
1772we can't confirm</i>
1773
1774388
177500:21:53,478 --> 00:21:55,612
1776<i>the names of people
1777who work here.</i>
1778
1779389
178000:21:55,613 --> 00:21:57,147
1781<i>Could you give me
1782a little more detail</i>
1783
1784390
178500:21:57,148 --> 00:21:58,781
1786<i>about the story
1787you're working on?</i>
1788
1789391
179000:21:58,782 --> 00:22:02,152
1791Uh, well, no.
1792That's something I need
1793to talk to Mr. Koza
1794
1795392
179600:22:02,153 --> 00:22:03,423
1797about directly, I'm afraid.
1798
1799393
180000:22:05,423 --> 00:22:08,258
1801<i>Well, then I'm afraid
1802I'm not sure I can help you.</i>
1803
1804394
180500:22:08,259 --> 00:22:09,526
1806<i>When you have a little
1807more detail</i>
1808
1809395
181000:22:09,527 --> 00:22:11,027
1811<i>please feel free to call back.</i>
1812
1813396
181400:22:12,096 --> 00:22:13,766
1815Yeah, well...
1816
1817397
181800:22:14,766 --> 00:22:16,299
1819Hello?
1820
1821398
182200:22:16,300 --> 00:22:17,800
1823You rang the NSA Press Office?
1824
1825399
182600:22:17,801 --> 00:22:19,103
1827Yeah.
1828
1829400
183000:22:19,104 --> 00:22:20,237
1831They have a press office.
1832
1833401
183400:22:20,238 --> 00:22:21,672
1835I thought that was
1836a good place to start.
1837
1838402
183900:22:21,673 --> 00:22:22,906
1840But you didn't
1841tell them anything?
1842
1843403
184400:22:22,907 --> 00:22:25,308
1845No, Peter.
1846I just asked for Frank Koza.
1847
1848404
184900:22:25,309 --> 00:22:26,777
1850Because if this is real,
1851you could go to jail
1852
1853405
185400:22:26,778 --> 00:22:29,679
1855just for having it
1856in your possession.
1857
1858406
185900:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,515
1860- I'm not letting this go.
1861- It's too good a story.
1862
1863407
186400:22:31,516 --> 00:22:32,916
1865I agree,
1866but if you get it wrong
1867
1868408
186900:22:32,917 --> 00:22:35,118
1870it will sink you,
1871it will sink the paper.
1872
1873409
187400:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,287
1875I'd like to get
1876a credible
1877intelligence expert
1878
1879410
188000:22:37,288 --> 00:22:38,568
1881to offer a view on the language.
1882
1883411
188400:22:39,023 --> 00:22:40,023
1885Yeah.
1886
1887412
188800:22:39,023 --> 00:22:40,990
1889And I thought
1890you could run it by
1891
1892413
189300:22:40,991 --> 00:22:42,461
1894your MI6 contact?
1895
1896414
189700:22:43,461 --> 00:22:45,461
1898- I don't have a MI6 contact.
1899- Sorry.
1900
1901415
190200:22:45,464 --> 00:22:47,766
1903I meant your tennis club friend.
1904
1905416
190600:22:48,766 --> 00:22:49,666
1907Sure.
1908
1909417
191000:22:49,667 --> 00:22:51,500
1911I'll take it
1912to Admiral Wilkinson.
1913
1914418
191500:22:51,501 --> 00:22:53,335
1916Be careful.
1917Before we risk
1918
1919419
192000:22:53,336 --> 00:22:55,171
1921a D-notice against publication
1922
1923420
192400:22:55,172 --> 00:22:58,976
1925I'd actually like
1926confirmation
1927that Frank Koza exists.
1928
1929421
193000:22:58,977 --> 00:23:00,443
1931Do you think it's authentic?
1932
1933422
193400:23:00,444 --> 00:23:02,179
1935Well, certainly
1936the words he used,
1937
1938423
193900:23:02,180 --> 00:23:03,881
1940"TOPI," for example,
1941
1942424
194300:23:03,882 --> 00:23:05,682
1944few outside
1945of the security apparatus
1946
1947425
194800:23:05,683 --> 00:23:06,950
1949would know what that means.
1950
1951426
195200:23:06,951 --> 00:23:08,085
1953What does it mean?
1954
1955427
195600:23:08,086 --> 00:23:10,153
1957Target of primary interest.
1958
1959428
196000:23:10,154 --> 00:23:13,623
1961And this term,
1962"QRC surge effort,"
1963
1964429
196500:23:13,624 --> 00:23:15,158
1966that's NSA military speak
1967
1968430
196900:23:15,159 --> 00:23:18,929
1970for significant
1971intensification
1972of surveillance operations.
1973
1974431
197500:23:18,930 --> 00:23:21,897
1976And this, where they ask
1977for "valuable information
1978
1979432
198000:23:21,898 --> 00:23:25,003
1981"from accesses
1982in your product lines..."
1983
1984433
198500:23:26,003 --> 00:23:29,139
1986...product lines
1987are intelligence sources.
1988
1989434
199000:23:29,140 --> 00:23:30,440
1991So it's been written by someone
1992
1993435
199400:23:30,441 --> 00:23:32,075
1995who's familiar
1996with security speak
1997
1998436
199900:23:32,076 --> 00:23:34,110
2000but that doesn't mean
2001it's definitely NSA.
2002
2003437
200400:23:34,111 --> 00:23:36,680
2005True, but there are
2006no obvious
2007amateur mistakes.
2008
2009438
201000:23:36,681 --> 00:23:38,181
2011Have you heard of Frank Koza?
2012
2013439
201400:23:38,182 --> 00:23:39,685
2015No.
2016
2017440
201800:23:41,685 --> 00:23:45,154
2019Paul, if we, if we wanted
2020to confirm that he exists...
2021
2022441
202300:23:45,155 --> 00:23:47,490
2024Oh, sorry.
2025I couldn't help you do that.
2026
2027442
202800:23:47,491 --> 00:23:48,791
2029Yeah, but if we wanted
2030to confirm that he...
2031
2032443
203300:23:48,792 --> 00:23:51,497
2034Well, my own sources
2035wouldn't ever trust me again.
2036
2037444
203800:23:52,497 --> 00:23:53,497
2039Understood.
2040
2041445
204200:23:55,266 --> 00:23:56,366
2043Understood.
2044
2045446
204600:23:59,036 --> 00:24:00,036
2047What?
2048
2049447
205000:24:00,037 --> 00:24:01,604
2051<i>Ed, Martin Bright.</i>
2052
2053448
205400:24:01,605 --> 00:24:03,874
2055Martin, Christ,
2056I just got back to DC.
2057
2058449
205900:24:03,875 --> 00:24:05,508
2060Sorry, Peter and I
2061have something urgent
2062
2063450
206400:24:05,509 --> 00:24:06,610
2065that we'd like to run by you.
2066
2067451
206800:24:06,611 --> 00:24:08,644
2069Are you on speaker?
2070
2071452
207200:24:08,645 --> 00:24:10,113
2073We are now. Hey...
2074
2075453
207600:24:10,114 --> 00:24:13,115
2077Peter, you need to tell Roger
2078to publish what I'm filing.
2079
2080454
208100:24:13,116 --> 00:24:16,120
2082This paper can't be seen
2083to be supporting a war
2084
2085455
208600:24:16,121 --> 00:24:17,988
2087that we should be doing
2088everything in our power
2089
2090456
209100:24:17,989 --> 00:24:19,222
2092to expose as a con.
2093
2094457
209500:24:19,223 --> 00:24:21,592
2096<i>A neocon.
2097A giant fucking con!</i>
2098
2099458
210000:24:21,593 --> 00:24:23,693
2101Ed, that's why
2102we're phoning.
2103We need your help.
2104
2105459
210600:24:23,694 --> 00:24:26,130
2107We have something
2108that might corroborate
2109
2110460
211100:24:26,131 --> 00:24:27,251
2112these things, you could say.
2113
2114461
211500:24:38,209 --> 00:24:39,808
2116Hey. Sorry.
2117
2118462
211900:24:41,179 --> 00:24:42,179
2120Do you wanna get lunch?
2121
2122463
212300:24:41,179 --> 00:24:42,412
2124What?
2125
2126464
212700:24:42,413 --> 00:24:44,279
2128Lunch. Eat.
2129Now. Yes.
2130
2131465
213200:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,982
2133Oh, no, I'm fine, thanks.
2134
2135466
213600:24:46,983 --> 00:24:49,983
2137Are you all right?
2138
2139467
214000:24:46,983 --> 00:24:49,252
2141Yeah. Yeah. I'm good.
2142
2143468
214400:24:49,253 --> 00:24:50,754
2145It, um...
2146
2147469
214800:24:50,755 --> 00:24:52,999
2149This new BBC poll,
2150it says that less than
2151one in ten people
2152
2153470
215400:24:53,023 --> 00:24:56,727
2155think it's right
2156to attack Iraq
2157without a UN resolution.
2158
2159471
216000:24:56,728 --> 00:24:59,563
2161Which is why that
2162memo was sent.
2163They need to twist arms.
2164
2165472
216600:24:59,564 --> 00:25:01,007
2167I don't think
2168it will make any difference.
2169
2170473
217100:25:01,031 --> 00:25:02,351
2172Most of the world
2173is against them.
2174
2175474
217600:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,069
2177You wanna eat, eat.
2178
2179475
218000:25:08,205 --> 00:25:10,985
2181<i> National Security Agency.
2182 How may I direct your call?</i>
2183
2184476
218500:25:11,009 --> 00:25:13,677
2186Hello, I'm returning
2187Frank Koza's call.
2188
2189477
219000:25:13,678 --> 00:25:15,178
2191My secretary said it was urgent.
2192
2193478
219400:25:15,179 --> 00:25:17,314
2195<i> I'm sorry.
2196Who are you trying to reach?</i>
2197
2198479
219900:25:17,315 --> 00:25:19,716
2200Frank Koza.
2201Mr. Frank Koza.
2202
2203480
220400:25:19,717 --> 00:25:21,451
2205<i>Sir, I'm sorry, there's no one</i>
2206
2207481
220800:25:21,452 --> 00:25:23,620
2209<i>by that name
2210in the directory, sir.</i>
2211
2212482
221300:25:23,621 --> 00:25:27,056
2214Oh, well, then that's odd.
2215He called me.
2216
2217483
221800:25:27,057 --> 00:25:31,060
2219<i>I'm sorry, but I'll need
2220an extension number.</i>
2221
2222484
222300:25:31,061 --> 00:25:32,929
2224<i>Do you have an extension number?</i>
2225
2226485
222700:25:32,930 --> 00:25:34,198
2228Ah...
2229
2230486
223100:25:34,199 --> 00:25:36,066
2232Nah.
2233
2234487
223500:25:36,067 --> 00:25:38,535
2236<i>Is there anything else
2237I can do for you?</i>
2238
2239488
224000:25:38,536 --> 00:25:40,437
2241No. No.
2242
2243489
224400:25:40,438 --> 00:25:41,604
2245Thank you. Thank you.
2246
2247490
224800:25:41,605 --> 00:25:43,139
2249<i>You have a nice day, sir.</i>
2250
2251491
225200:25:43,140 --> 00:25:44,140
2253You too.
2254
2255492
225600:25:46,044 --> 00:25:47,076
2257Fuck off.
2258
2259493
226000:25:47,077 --> 00:25:50,948
2261So I read the weapons
2262inspector's report.
2263
2264494
226500:25:50,949 --> 00:25:52,816
2266Oh, congratulations.
2267
2268495
226900:25:52,817 --> 00:25:54,985
2270That's more
2271than most MP's ever done.
2272
2273496
227400:25:54,986 --> 00:25:56,486
2275Well, shit, that's depressing.
2276
2277497
227800:25:56,487 --> 00:25:57,886
2279Mmm-hmm. It is.
2280
2281498
228200:25:57,887 --> 00:26:00,123
2283Look, there are a few
2284pre-98 chemical weapons
2285
2286499
228700:26:00,124 --> 00:26:02,092
2288we have yet to be
2289accounted for
2290but inspectors said
2291
2292500
229300:26:02,093 --> 00:26:03,759
2294they found absolutely
2295no evidence
2296
2297501
229800:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,095
2299of an active chemical
2300or biological program.
2301
2302502
230300:26:06,096 --> 00:26:07,163
2304Correct.
2305
2306503
230700:26:07,164 --> 00:26:08,230
2308And yet Colin Powell presented
2309
2310504
231100:26:08,231 --> 00:26:09,865
2312clear evidence of mobile labs.
2313
2314505
231500:26:09,866 --> 00:26:13,303
2316His evidence may be based
2317on poor human intel
2318
2319506
232000:26:13,304 --> 00:26:14,938
2321from an Iraqi dissident.
2322
2323507
232400:26:14,939 --> 00:26:15,807
2325Really?
2326
2327508
232800:26:15,808 --> 00:26:16,906
2329The dissident isn't our product
2330
2331509
233200:26:16,907 --> 00:26:18,387
2333and should not be seen
2334as our product.
2335
2336510
233700:26:20,310 --> 00:26:21,948
2338Whose product is he then?
2339
2340511
234100:26:23,948 --> 00:26:27,116
2342Look, Peter, I didn't say this,
2343
2344512
234500:26:27,117 --> 00:26:29,653
2346but there is concern
2347in certain quarters
2348
2349513
235000:26:29,654 --> 00:26:32,823
2351that intelligence
2352may be being manipulated
2353
2354514
235500:26:32,824 --> 00:26:34,725
2356to take this country to war.
2357
2358515
235900:26:34,726 --> 00:26:36,660
2360So why don't you tell
2361your journalists
2362
2363516
236400:26:36,661 --> 00:26:38,862
2365to stop being so bloody loyal
2366to Downing Street
2367
2368517
236900:26:38,863 --> 00:26:40,567
2370and start doing their job?
2371
2372518
237300:26:42,567 --> 00:26:43,570
2374Okay.
2375
2376519
237700:26:47,570 --> 00:26:50,406
2378Okay, what if I had
2379evidence that the NSA
2380
2381520
238200:26:50,407 --> 00:26:53,443
2383requested GCHQ
2384to help monitor
2385private communications
2386
2387521
238800:26:53,444 --> 00:26:55,778
2389of the UN Security Council
2390delegates?
2391
2392522
239300:26:55,779 --> 00:26:57,779
2394To what end?
2395
2396523
239700:26:55,779 --> 00:26:57,581
2398Bluntly?
2399
2400524
240100:26:57,582 --> 00:26:59,783
2402To blackmail them
2403into voting for war.
2404
2405525
240600:26:59,784 --> 00:27:01,418
2407I'm not with GCHQ.
2408
2409526
241000:27:01,419 --> 00:27:03,252
2411You're MI6,
2412you're on the same team.
2413
2414527
241500:27:03,253 --> 00:27:04,319
2416How did you hear about this?
2417
2418528
241900:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,122
2420A UN resolution for war
2421
2422529
242300:27:06,123 --> 00:27:08,592
2424would cover everyone's arse,
2425wouldn't it?
2426
2427530
242800:27:08,593 --> 00:27:11,493
2429No more asking your team
2430to sex up evidence of WMDs
2431
2432531
243300:27:11,494 --> 00:27:14,631
2434or the back-dodgy claims
2435that Britain was
2436about to be attacked
2437
2438532
243900:27:14,632 --> 00:27:16,666
2440by Iraq within 45 minutes.
2441
2442533
244300:27:16,667 --> 00:27:18,768
2444And no chance of anyone
2445being charged with a war crime
2446
2447534
244800:27:18,769 --> 00:27:20,105
2449if it all goes tits up.
2450
2451535
245200:27:22,105 --> 00:27:23,539
2453What are you asking me, Peter?
2454
2455536
245600:27:23,540 --> 00:27:26,610
2457I'm asking if you can confirm
2458
2459537
246000:27:26,611 --> 00:27:30,247
2461whether the NSA instructed GCHQ
2462
2463538
246400:27:30,248 --> 00:27:33,352
2465to assist in spying
2466on Security Council
2467delegates?
2468
2469539
247000:27:34,352 --> 00:27:36,020
2471You know I can't answer that.
2472
2473540
247400:27:37,020 --> 00:27:39,655
2475To do so would put me
2476in breach of the
2477Official Secrets Act.
2478
2479541
248000:27:39,656 --> 00:27:42,028
2481To deny it would not.
2482
2483542
248400:27:44,028 --> 00:27:47,169
2485Well, I can neither confirm
2486nor deny.
2487
2488543
248900:27:52,169 --> 00:27:53,372
2490Okay.
2491
2492544
249300:27:54,372 --> 00:27:55,641
2494Let's play.
2495
2496545
249700:27:56,641 --> 00:27:57,641
2498Change ends, idiot.
2499
2500546
250100:27:57,642 --> 00:27:58,744
2502Yes.
2503
2504547
250500:28:00,744 --> 00:28:02,312
2506Your serve.
2507
2508548
250900:28:02,313 --> 00:28:05,315
2510So the head of the CIA
2511tells Bush it's a slam dunk
2512
2513549
251400:28:05,316 --> 00:28:08,483
2515that Saddam has weapons
2516of mass destruction.
2517
2518550
251900:28:08,484 --> 00:28:10,484
2520A slam dunk.
2521
2522551
252300:28:08,484 --> 00:28:10,386
2524Yes.
2525
2526552
252700:28:10,387 --> 00:28:12,387
2528And that's not true?
2529
2530553
253100:28:10,387 --> 00:28:12,355
2532No.
2533
2534554
253500:28:12,356 --> 00:28:14,990
2536Meaning Saddam definitely
2537does not have weapons
2538
2539555
254000:28:14,991 --> 00:28:17,160
2541of mass destruction
2542or he may not.
2543
2544556
254500:28:17,161 --> 00:28:20,729
2546Meaning the intelligence
2547is sketchy at best
2548
2549557
255000:28:20,730 --> 00:28:22,499
2551and manufactured at worst.
2552
2553558
255400:28:22,500 --> 00:28:24,701
2555And Tenet knows that?
2556
2557559
255800:28:24,702 --> 00:28:27,403
2559I've no doubt he knows that.
2560
2561560
256200:28:27,404 --> 00:28:29,572
2563I was with the agency 24 years.
2564
2565561
256600:28:29,573 --> 00:28:33,242
2567I can tell you,
2568folks over there
2569are really angry about this.
2570
2571562
257200:28:33,243 --> 00:28:34,978
2573Why?
2574
2575563
257600:28:34,979 --> 00:28:36,211
2577Why?
2578
2579564
258000:28:36,212 --> 00:28:38,214
2581Because the majority
2582of the analysts do not believe
2583
2584565
258500:28:38,215 --> 00:28:41,219
2586it's a slam dunk,
2587but no one wants to hear that.
2588
2589566
259000:28:42,219 --> 00:28:44,053
2591Not even the press.
2592
2593567
259400:28:44,054 --> 00:28:45,054
2595Sorry, Mel.
2596
2597568
259800:28:45,055 --> 00:28:46,789
2599I'm sorry.
2600
2601569
260200:28:46,790 --> 00:28:48,161
2603I'm just mad as hell.
2604
2605570
260600:28:50,161 --> 00:28:51,694
2607Listen, I wanted
2608to talk to you today
2609
2610571
261100:28:51,695 --> 00:28:55,598
2612because I think
2613I might finally be
2614onto something that...
2615
2616572
261700:28:55,599 --> 00:28:59,669
2618...that really support
2619what you've been
2620saying for months.
2621
2622573
262300:28:59,670 --> 00:29:02,410
2624I need to talk to a man
2625called Frank Koza.
2626
2627574
262800:29:05,410 --> 00:29:07,076
2629He's NSA.
2630
2631575
263200:29:07,077 --> 00:29:08,449
2633Head of Regional Targets.
2634
2635576
263600:29:11,449 --> 00:29:12,719
2637You know him?
2638
2639577
264000:29:14,719 --> 00:29:16,786
2641I'm sorry, Ed.
2642
2643578
264400:29:16,787 --> 00:29:19,546
2645I can't give out
2646that kind of information.
2647
2648579
264900:29:41,546 --> 00:29:43,546
2650What are you doing here?
2651
2652580
265300:29:41,546 --> 00:29:43,113
2654I'm sorry.
2655
2656581
265700:29:43,114 --> 00:29:44,114
2658I didn't wanna call.
2659
2660582
266100:29:43,114 --> 00:29:44,581
2662How long have you been here?
2663
2664583
266500:29:44,582 --> 00:29:46,249
2666We're not supposed
2667to be meeting.
2668
2669584
267000:29:46,250 --> 00:29:48,183
2671I know, I've just...
2672
2673585
267400:29:48,184 --> 00:29:50,720
2675I've been following the news
2676and I haven't seen
2677
2678586
267900:29:50,721 --> 00:29:52,389
2680or heard anything
2681for three weeks.
2682
2683587
268400:29:52,390 --> 00:29:53,856
2685Okay, well,
2686I've given it to my contact
2687
2688588
268900:29:53,857 --> 00:29:55,558
2690and apparently,
2691she's having a very hard time
2692
2693589
269400:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,130
2695getting the papers
2696to believe that
2697it's not a fake.
2698
2699590
270000:30:00,130 --> 00:30:01,666
2701Oh, uh...
2702
2703591
270400:30:02,666 --> 00:30:05,501
2705Well, maybe that's okay.
2706
2707592
270800:30:05,502 --> 00:30:06,702
2709You know, I...
2710
2711593
271200:30:06,703 --> 00:30:07,871
2713Look, I mean,
2714all of the polls said
2715
2716594
271700:30:07,872 --> 00:30:09,172
2718everyone's against
2719the war, anyway
2720
2721595
272200:30:09,173 --> 00:30:11,575
2723and I, and I've
2724just been thinking...
2725
2726596
272700:30:11,576 --> 00:30:14,810
2728Look, I think
2729that I acted too rashly
2730
2731597
273200:30:14,811 --> 00:30:16,145
2733on impulse.
2734I didn't think...
2735
2736598
273700:30:16,146 --> 00:30:17,814
2738Jesus, Katharine, is it a fake?
2739
2740599
274100:30:17,815 --> 00:30:19,316
2742Of course it's not a fake.
2743It's real.
2744
2745600
274600:30:19,317 --> 00:30:20,784
2747Well, then just go home!
2748
2749601
275000:30:20,785 --> 00:30:24,120
2751Okay, don't talk about this
2752to anyone, ever!
2753
2754602
275500:30:24,121 --> 00:30:25,124
2756Just...
2757
2758603
275900:30:27,124 --> 00:30:28,124
2760Sorry.
2761
2762604
276300:30:28,125 --> 00:30:29,828
2764It's out of our hands now.
2765
2766605
276700:30:31,828 --> 00:30:33,999
2768Sorry.
2769
2770606
277100:30:34,999 --> 00:30:38,101
2772The truth is,
2773the whole document
2774could be a fake.
2775
2776607
277700:30:38,102 --> 00:30:40,836
2778But we're satisfied
2779the language used is real.
2780
2781608
278200:30:40,837 --> 00:30:41,837
2783It's fascinating.
2784
2785609
278600:30:41,838 --> 00:30:42,942
2787Yeah.
2788
2789610
279000:30:44,942 --> 00:30:47,643
2791Is this document actually
2792in your possession?
2793
2794611
279500:30:47,644 --> 00:30:49,912
2796Well, if it were,
2797I'd be in breach of the
2798Official Secrets Act
2799
2800612
280100:30:49,913 --> 00:30:51,346
2802wouldn't I?
2803
2804613
280500:30:53,016 --> 00:30:54,750
2806So based on what might be
2807in this document...
2808
2809614
281000:30:54,751 --> 00:30:56,751
2811That you don't have.
2812
2813615
281400:30:54,751 --> 00:30:56,353
2815That I don't yet have.
2816
2817616
281800:30:56,354 --> 00:30:57,954
2819But that you want
2820to print in your paper.
2821
2822617
282300:30:58,021 --> 00:31:00,355
2824If you don't issue
2825a D-notice
2826against publication.
2827
2828618
282900:31:00,356 --> 00:31:01,857
2830Well, which I will
2831most certainly do
2832
2833619
283400:31:01,858 --> 00:31:04,093
2835if I think the publication
2836might in any way
2837
2838620
283900:31:04,094 --> 00:31:05,995
2840endanger the lives
2841of British people
2842
2843621
284400:31:05,996 --> 00:31:07,797
2845or British forces.
2846
2847622
284800:31:07,798 --> 00:31:09,798
2849Understood.
2850
2851623
285200:31:07,798 --> 00:31:09,598
2853Good.
2854
2855624
285600:31:11,402 --> 00:31:12,703
2857Go on.
2858
2859625
286000:31:13,703 --> 00:31:15,704
2861Would you say
2862it were likely real
2863
2864626
286500:31:15,705 --> 00:31:17,740
2866or a forgery?
2867
2868627
286900:31:17,741 --> 00:31:19,942
2870What do you think?
2871
2872628
287300:31:19,943 --> 00:31:21,877
2874I think it could be a fake
2875
2876629
287700:31:21,878 --> 00:31:24,382
2878put out
2879by the anti-war movement...
2880
2881630
288200:31:25,382 --> 00:31:28,285
2883...or by a foreign agency
2884to embarrass the US.
2885
2886631
288700:31:28,286 --> 00:31:29,786
2888Which agency?
2889
2890632
289100:31:29,787 --> 00:31:31,421
2892The Russians.
2893
2894633
289500:31:31,422 --> 00:31:33,056
2896I mean, the French
2897oppose the war, too,
2898
2899634
290000:31:33,057 --> 00:31:34,524
2901but I don't think
2902they'd do this.
2903
2904635
290500:31:34,525 --> 00:31:37,192
2906I think you might be
2907overthinking it as usual,
2908Martin.
2909
2910636
291100:31:37,193 --> 00:31:38,693
2912Meaning?
2913
2914637
291500:31:38,694 --> 00:31:40,699
2916You tell me.
2917
2918638
291900:31:41,699 --> 00:31:44,905
2920Well, meaning it could be
2921exactly what it says it is.
2922
2923639
292400:31:47,905 --> 00:31:50,206
2925You know, Martin,
2926I believe that all information
2927
2928640
292900:31:50,207 --> 00:31:53,112
2930collected in the name
2931of the public
2932should be made public.
2933
2934641
293500:31:55,112 --> 00:31:57,814
2936The only question is, when.
2937
2938642
293900:31:57,815 --> 00:32:01,852
2940But in this case,
2941I don't have
2942the luxury of time, Admiral.
2943
2944643
294500:32:01,853 --> 00:32:04,954
2946Powell just made
2947a very strong case for war.
2948
2949644
295000:32:04,955 --> 00:32:06,528
2951Yes, I see.
2952
2953645
295400:32:10,528 --> 00:32:13,262
2955I have also always believed
2956
2957646
295800:32:13,263 --> 00:32:16,132
2959that censorship when called for
2960
2961647
296200:32:16,133 --> 00:32:20,939
2963should be based
2964on security issues alone...
2965
2966648
296700:32:21,939 --> 00:32:23,271
2968...not on whether
2969a news report
2970
2971649
297200:32:23,272 --> 00:32:25,846
2973might embarrass a government.
2974
2975650
297600:32:29,846 --> 00:32:31,349
2977Thank you, Admiral.
2978
2979651
298000:32:32,349 --> 00:32:35,285
2981<i>Ed, it's Edie
2982from the London office.</i>
2983
2984652
298500:32:35,286 --> 00:32:37,053
2986<i>I got a weird message for you</i>
2987
2988653
298900:32:37,054 --> 00:32:38,822
2990<i>from someone
2991who wouldn't give his name.</i>
2992
2993654
299400:32:38,823 --> 00:32:42,392
2995<i>He said you should call
2996extension 6727.</i>
2997
2998655
299900:32:42,393 --> 00:32:45,460
3000<i>Makes no sense to me,
3001but maybe to you.</i>
3002
3003656
300400:32:45,461 --> 00:32:48,230
3005<i>6727. Good luck.</i>
3006
3007657
300800:32:48,231 --> 00:32:49,231
30096727.
3010
3011658
301200:32:48,231 --> 00:32:49,632
3013<i>Bye-bye.</i>
3014
3015659
301600:32:49,633 --> 00:32:53,971
30176727. 6727. 6727.
3018
3019660
302000:32:59,577 --> 00:33:00,577
30216727.
3022
3023661
302400:33:04,115 --> 00:33:06,315
3025<i> NSA.
3026How may I direct your call?</i>
3027
3028662
302900:33:06,316 --> 00:33:09,986
3030Hello.
3031Extension 6727, please.
3032
3033663
303400:33:09,987 --> 00:33:11,787
3035<i>6727?</i>
3036
3037664
303800:33:11,788 --> 00:33:13,722
30396727, yes.
3040
3041665
304200:33:13,723 --> 00:33:14,993
3043<i>One moment.</i>
3044
3045666
304600:33:16,993 --> 00:33:18,196
3047<i>Frank Koza's office.</i>
3048
3049667
305000:33:20,196 --> 00:33:22,632
3051Hello, may I speak
3052to Mr. Frank Koza, please?
3053
3054668
305500:33:22,633 --> 00:33:23,500
3056<i>Who shall I say is calling?</i>
3057
3058669
305900:33:23,501 --> 00:33:26,035
3060I can't say.
3061Just put me through.
3062
3063670
306400:33:26,036 --> 00:33:27,406
3065<i>Yes, sir.</i>
3066
3067671
306800:33:29,406 --> 00:33:30,406
3069<i> Hello?</i>
3070
3071672
307200:33:32,209 --> 00:33:34,944
3073Mr. Koza? Mr. Frank Koza?
3074
3075673
307600:33:34,945 --> 00:33:37,313
3077<i>Yes. Who's calling?</i>
3078
3079674
308000:33:37,314 --> 00:33:39,348
3081Mr. Koza,
3082my name is Ed Vulliamy.
3083
3084675
308500:33:39,349 --> 00:33:42,152
3086I work for<i> The Observer</i>
3087newspaper in London.
3088
3089676
309000:33:42,153 --> 00:33:45,625
3091I wanted to ask you
3092about a memo
3093you sent to GCHQ.
3094
3095677
309600:33:49,625 --> 00:33:50,628
3097Mr. Koza?
3098
3099678
310000:33:54,731 --> 00:33:58,731
3101Do you think this is real?
3102
3103679
310400:33:54,731 --> 00:33:58,101
3105<i>Yes, they put me through.</i>
3106
3107680
310800:33:58,102 --> 00:33:59,102
3109To Frank Koza?
3110
3111681
311200:33:58,102 --> 00:33:59,702
3113Yes.
3114
3115682
311600:33:59,703 --> 00:34:01,805
3117And you spoke
3118to him directly,
3119right, Ed?
3120
3121683
312200:34:01,806 --> 00:34:04,539
3123<i>Well, we didn't exactly
3124have a conversation.</i>
3125
3126684
312700:34:04,540 --> 00:34:06,942
3128Did you speak to him or not?
3129Yes or no, Ed? Jesus.
3130
3131685
313200:34:06,943 --> 00:34:08,143
3133<i>Yes, but he cut me off</i>
3134
3135686
313600:34:08,144 --> 00:34:09,511
3137<i>when I said I worked
3138for</i> The Observer.
3139
3140687
314100:34:09,512 --> 00:34:12,515
3142But you're sure
3143that he exists,
3144right, Ed?
3145
3146688
314700:34:12,516 --> 00:34:13,783
3148<i>Hell yes, I'm sure!</i>
3149
3150689
315100:34:13,784 --> 00:34:16,021
3152I said, "Mr. Koza?"
3153He said, "Yes, who's calling?"
3154
3155690
315600:34:17,021 --> 00:34:18,553
3157All right. Thank you, Ed.
3158
3159691
316000:34:18,554 --> 00:34:20,924
3161Try not to fuck
3162this one up, Roger.
3163
3164692
316500:34:20,925 --> 00:34:22,925
3166Fuck off.
3167
3168693
316900:34:20,925 --> 00:34:22,792
3170<i>You're welcome, anytime.</i>
3171
3172694
317300:34:24,795 --> 00:34:26,295
3174<i> Hitler Diaries.</i>
3175
3176695
317700:34:26,296 --> 00:34:27,397
3178What?
3179
3180696
318100:34:27,398 --> 00:34:29,799
3182I'm just saying
3183it smells of a forgery
3184like the<i> Hitler Diaries</i>
3185
3186697
318700:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,868
3188and, of course,
3189publishing those
3190cost people their jobs.
3191
3192698
319300:34:31,869 --> 00:34:33,335
3194Which is precisely
3195why we're doing
3196
3197699
319800:34:33,336 --> 00:34:35,904
3199rigorous checking
3200on this, Kamal.
3201
3202700
320300:34:35,905 --> 00:34:38,905
3204Who brought you this?
3205
3206701
320700:34:35,905 --> 00:34:38,040
3208Friend.
3209
3210702
321100:34:38,041 --> 00:34:39,041
3212Someone from GCHQ?
3213
3214703
321500:34:39,042 --> 00:34:40,042
3216No.
3217
3218704
321900:34:40,043 --> 00:34:41,447
3220Then who?
3221
3222705
322300:34:44,447 --> 00:34:45,947
3224Yvonne Ridley.
3225
3226706
322700:34:45,948 --> 00:34:47,250
3228Yvonne fucking Ridley!
3229
3230707
323100:34:47,251 --> 00:34:49,352
3232The woman who fell off
3233a donkey in Afghanistan
3234
3235708
323600:34:49,353 --> 00:34:50,433
3237at some Taliban checkpoint!
3238
3239709
324000:34:51,021 --> 00:34:52,821
3241Her arse over a tit
3242with a camera up her burka
3243
3244710
324500:34:52,822 --> 00:34:54,089
3246and then she converted to Islam
3247
3248711
324900:34:54,090 --> 00:34:55,524
3250after she was released
3251by her kidnapper.
3252
3253712
325400:34:55,525 --> 00:34:57,160
3255None of which means
3256she's not right!
3257
3258713
325900:34:57,161 --> 00:34:58,361
3260She's anti-war!
3261
3262714
326300:34:58,362 --> 00:35:00,863
3264She probably typed
3265the fucking thing herself.
3266
3267715
326800:35:00,864 --> 00:35:03,366
3269Martin, you realize
3270the legal risks
3271we'll be taking?
3272
3273716
327400:35:03,367 --> 00:35:04,500
3275Yes.
3276
3277717
327800:35:04,501 --> 00:35:05,667
3279The last time
3280we published
3281anything like this
3282
3283718
328400:35:05,668 --> 00:35:07,370
3285you and Roger
3286almost went to prison.
3287
3288719
328900:35:07,371 --> 00:35:08,939
3290Jan, the last time
3291our source claimed
3292
3293720
329400:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,674
3295MI6 had funded an attempted
3296assassination on Gaddafi.
3297
3298721
329900:35:11,675 --> 00:35:13,343
3300This document
3301doesn't accuse anyone
3302
3303722
330400:35:13,344 --> 00:35:15,278
3305of doing anything
3306remotely like that.
3307
3308723
330900:35:15,279 --> 00:35:18,747
3310No, it merely suggests
3311that the US government,
3312
3313724
331400:35:18,748 --> 00:35:22,317
3315with the help
3316of Great Britain,
3317might try to twist arms
3318
3319725
332000:35:22,318 --> 00:35:25,354
3321and threaten UN delegates
3322into voting for a war in Iraq.
3323
3324726
332500:35:25,355 --> 00:35:27,695
3326It's a hell of a story.
3327
3328727
332900:35:31,695 --> 00:35:33,328
3330Look, we know Koza exists.
3331
3332728
333300:35:33,329 --> 00:35:35,531
3334Beaver says the language
3335used is authentic.
3336
3337729
333800:35:35,532 --> 00:35:37,334
3339And Wilkinson says
3340that while publication
3341
3342730
334300:35:37,335 --> 00:35:38,602
3344may embarrass both governments,
3345
3346731
334700:35:38,603 --> 00:35:40,403
3348he doesn't believe
3349that it poses a security risk
3350
3351732
335200:35:40,404 --> 00:35:42,504
3353to the British people
3354or the armed forces.
3355
3356733
335700:35:42,505 --> 00:35:43,839
3358Ironically,
3359publication may actually
3360
3361734
336200:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,808
3363prevent a war and save lives.
3364
3365735
336600:35:45,809 --> 00:35:46,809
3367Well.
3368
3369736
337000:35:46,810 --> 00:35:47,877
3371MI6?
3372
3373737
337400:35:47,878 --> 00:35:49,878
3375Would not confirm
3376but did not deny.
3377
3378738
337900:35:53,050 --> 00:35:54,616
3380Jan, where are we legally?
3381
3382739
338300:35:54,617 --> 00:35:56,518
3384Wilkinson may not issue
3385a D-Notice
3386
3387740
338800:35:56,519 --> 00:35:58,921
3389but that doesn't stop Special
3390Branch from coming after us.
3391
3392741
339300:35:58,922 --> 00:36:02,922
3394Thank you.
3395
3396742
339700:35:58,922 --> 00:36:02,124
3398Legally, we have
3399a top secret document
3400
3401743
340200:36:02,125 --> 00:36:03,829
3403in our possession.
3404
3405744
340600:36:06,829 --> 00:36:09,131
3407Look, Rog, don't forget
3408
3409745
341000:36:09,132 --> 00:36:10,799
3411we're getting
3412detailed information
3413
3414746
341500:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,569
3416directly from Blair's office.
3417
3418747
341900:36:12,570 --> 00:36:14,570
3420Fuck off.
3421
3422748
342300:36:12,570 --> 00:36:14,403
3424Well, he's right.
3425
3426749
342700:36:14,404 --> 00:36:17,040
3428Printing this kind of story
3429would kill that relationship.
3430
3431750
343200:36:17,041 --> 00:36:19,676
3433Since when did this paper
3434prioritize political access
3435
3436751
343700:36:19,677 --> 00:36:21,678
3438over its own
3439investigative reporting?
3440
3441752
344200:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,679
3443Yes.
3444
3445753
344600:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,247
3447We have taken a position
3448on this, guys!
3449
3450754
345100:36:24,248 --> 00:36:25,248
3452We support the war.
3453
3454755
345500:36:28,050 --> 00:36:30,655
3456Yes. We do.
3457
3458756
345900:36:31,655 --> 00:36:32,821
3460Fuck.
3461
3462757
346300:36:32,822 --> 00:36:34,525
3464But Peter's right.
3465
3466758
346700:36:35,525 --> 00:36:37,672
3468This is a fucking good story.
3469
3470759
347100:36:48,672 --> 00:36:49,952
3472Thank you, Roger.
3473
3474760
347500:36:53,777 --> 00:36:54,777
3476Here we go.
3477
3478761
347900:37:07,023 --> 00:37:08,658
3480Wait, I'll come with you.
3481
3482762
348300:37:08,659 --> 00:37:10,091
3484I'm just going to go
3485get some milk.
3486
3487763
348800:37:10,092 --> 00:37:11,593
3489Go back to bed.
3490I'll bring you a coffee.
3491
3492764
349300:37:11,594 --> 00:37:12,940
3494Okay.
3495
3496765
349700:37:24,940 --> 00:37:26,940
3498Hi.
3499
3500766
350100:37:24,940 --> 00:37:26,693
3502Morning.
3503
3504767
350500:37:43,693 --> 00:37:44,693
3506Hey.
3507
3508768
350900:37:52,369 --> 00:37:53,507
3510What's the matter,<i> janum?</i>
3511
3512769
351300:37:59,208 --> 00:38:00,351
3514What's going on?
3515
3516770
351700:38:08,351 --> 00:38:10,351
3518Bravo, Martin.
3519
3520771
352100:38:08,351 --> 00:38:10,185
3522Ah, there he is.
3523
3524772
352500:38:10,186 --> 00:38:11,587
3526Well done.
3527
3528773
352900:38:13,490 --> 00:38:14,990
3530Here he is!
3531
3532774
353300:38:14,991 --> 00:38:16,326
3534Nice one, Martin.
3535
3536775
353700:38:22,733 --> 00:38:26,468
3538Brighty, congratulations.
3539
3540776
354100:38:26,469 --> 00:38:27,971
3542Bloody brilliant.
3543
3544777
354500:38:27,972 --> 00:38:29,972
3546Thank you.
3547
3548778
354900:38:27,972 --> 00:38:29,904
3550What have you got for me next?
3551
3552779
355300:38:29,905 --> 00:38:31,941
3554Every major
3555European paper is citing us
3556
3557780
355800:38:31,942 --> 00:38:34,511
3559and we've had calls
3560in from CNN, NBC, and Fox.
3561
3562781
356300:38:34,512 --> 00:38:36,245
3564They all want to interview you
3565for their morning shows
3566
3567782
356800:38:36,246 --> 00:38:37,647
3569when they wake up in the US.
3570
3571783
357200:38:37,648 --> 00:38:38,846
3573Any response
3574from Downing Street?
3575
3576784
357700:38:38,847 --> 00:38:41,389
3578We got a call in,
3579but they're scrambling.
3580
3581785
358200:38:45,389 --> 00:38:46,389
3583Martin, line 2.
3584
3585786
358600:38:48,224 --> 00:38:49,927
3587Martin Bright.
3588
3589787
359000:38:50,927 --> 00:38:52,762
3591Thank you. Thank you.
3592
3593788
359400:38:53,762 --> 00:38:54,762
3595No.
3596
3597789
359800:38:55,032 --> 00:38:57,202
3599Uh, no, the person
3600who leaked it
3601hasn't been identified.
3602
3603790
360400:39:00,202 --> 00:39:02,270
3605Why'd you do it?
3606
3607791
360800:39:02,271 --> 00:39:03,906
3609I just thought
3610that they'd investigate.
3611
3612792
361300:39:03,907 --> 00:39:05,941
3614I never expected them
3615to print the whole memo.
3616
3617793
361800:39:05,942 --> 00:39:07,243
3619Why didn't you tell me?
3620
3621794
362200:39:07,244 --> 00:39:09,847
3623Sorry, I didn't, I didn't, I...
3624
3625795
362600:39:10,847 --> 00:39:12,448
3627I thought that you would try
3628and talk me out of it
3629
3630796
363100:39:12,449 --> 00:39:13,515
3632and I didn't want you to.
3633
3634797
363500:39:13,516 --> 00:39:15,516
3636My God,<i> janum.</i>
3637
3638798
363900:39:13,516 --> 00:39:15,183
3640I'm so sorry.
3641
3642799
364300:39:15,184 --> 00:39:16,454
3644They don't mention your name?
3645
3646800
364700:39:18,454 --> 00:39:19,954
3648I haven't told anyone.
3649
3650801
365100:39:19,955 --> 00:39:21,860
3652Good. That's good.
3653
3654802
365500:39:23,860 --> 00:39:26,097
3656That's very kind.
3657All right, thank you.
3658
3659803
366000:39:28,097 --> 00:39:31,167
3661Why don't you get in touch
3662with your friend Tony, Kamal?
3663
3664804
366500:39:31,168 --> 00:39:33,168
3666Ask him if he has an opinion.
3667
3668805
366900:39:31,168 --> 00:39:33,770
3670That's not funny, Rog.
3671
3672806
367300:39:33,771 --> 00:39:34,771
3674- Martin?
3675- Yes?
3676
3677807
367800:39:34,772 --> 00:39:36,052
3679NBC just canceled
3680your interview.
3681
3682808
368300:39:37,007 --> 00:39:38,543
3684What?
3685
3686809
368700:39:39,543 --> 00:39:42,343
3688NBC no longer wished
3689to interview Martin.
3690
3691810
369200:39:42,344 --> 00:39:44,680
3693Did they say why?
3694
3695811
369600:39:44,681 --> 00:39:46,348
3697They just said sorry,
3698but they didn't think
3699
3700812
370100:39:46,349 --> 00:39:47,982
3702they could fit you in anymore.
3703
3704813
370500:39:47,983 --> 00:39:49,118
3706Really?
3707
3708814
370900:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,355
3710Brighty, reporter from Santiago.
3711
3712815
371300:39:52,356 --> 00:39:54,259
3714Thank you. Martin Bright.
3715
3716816
371700:39:56,259 --> 00:39:57,526
3718Ah, uh. No.
3719
3720817
372100:39:57,527 --> 00:39:59,229
3722At this stage,
3723we have no idea
3724what information
3725
3726818
372700:39:59,230 --> 00:40:00,964
3728was gathered from Chile
3729or any of the other countries.
3730
3731819
373200:40:00,965 --> 00:40:02,965
3733Peter.
3734
3735820
373600:40:00,965 --> 00:40:02,230
3737Yeah?
3738
3739821
374000:40:02,231 --> 00:40:04,433
3741Fox says that
3742they have to cancel.
3743
3744822
374500:40:04,434 --> 00:40:05,634
3746What? Why?
3747
3748823
374900:40:05,635 --> 00:40:08,303
3750Uh, yeah, Mexico is furious too.
3751
3752824
375300:40:08,304 --> 00:40:09,638
3754Okay.
3755Thank you.
3756
3757825
375800:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,639
3759Martin?
3760
3761826
376200:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,105
3763Yes?
3764
3765827
376600:40:11,106 --> 00:40:12,266
3767I've got a producer from CNN.
3768
3769828
377000:40:15,146 --> 00:40:16,949
3771Martin Bright.
3772
3773829
377400:40:18,949 --> 00:40:19,949
3775I see.
3776
3777830
377800:40:21,784 --> 00:40:24,289
3779No. No, no. No, no.
3780That's all right.
3781
3782831
378300:40:25,289 --> 00:40:26,421
3784Ah...
3785
3786832
378700:40:26,422 --> 00:40:27,422
3788May I ask why?
3789
3790833
379100:40:29,358 --> 00:40:31,429
3792Yes, I stand by it.
3793Of course I stand by it.
3794
3795834
379600:40:32,429 --> 00:40:33,429
3797<i>The Drudge Report?</i>
3798
3799835
380000:40:37,134 --> 00:40:38,134
3801Yeah.
3802
3803836
380400:40:39,101 --> 00:40:40,770
3805All right, okay.
3806
3807837
380800:40:40,771 --> 00:40:43,171
3809What the fuck is going on?
3810
3811838
381200:40:59,822 --> 00:41:00,922
3813It's fake.
3814
3815839
381600:41:00,923 --> 00:41:02,758
3817We've printed
3818a fake fucking memo
3819
3820840
382100:41:02,759 --> 00:41:04,498
3822from Yvonne fucking Ridley!
3823
3824841
382500:41:09,498 --> 00:41:13,335
3826Oh, you fucking idiot.
3827There. You see it?
3828
3829842
383000:41:13,336 --> 00:41:14,376
3831Because the Americans did.
3832
3833843
383400:41:15,005 --> 00:41:17,906
3835Favourable. F-A-V-O-U-R.
3836
3837844
383800:41:17,907 --> 00:41:22,812
3839Some English cunt has tried
3840to fake an American NSA memo
3841
3842845
384300:41:22,813 --> 00:41:25,281
3844and you fucking schmucks
3845fell for it.
3846
3847846
384800:41:25,282 --> 00:41:27,518
3849Wait. Martin,
3850where's the original?
3851
3852847
385300:41:28,518 --> 00:41:29,585
3854Where's the original document?
3855
3856848
385700:41:29,586 --> 00:41:30,800
3858Jesus.
3859
3860849
386100:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,800
3862American spelling.
3863
3864850
386500:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,165
3866What?
3867
3868851
386900:41:44,166 --> 00:41:45,971
3870The original
3871has American spelling.
3872
3873852
387400:41:47,971 --> 00:41:50,238
3875And this is what I filed, see?
3876
3877853
387800:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,874
3879Favorable. O-R.
3880
3881854
388200:41:51,875 --> 00:41:53,609
3883Just like the original.
3884Not O-U-R.
3885
3886855
388700:41:53,610 --> 00:41:56,184
3888And recognize with a Z,
3889not an S.
3890
3891856
389200:42:01,184 --> 00:42:03,456
3893Who changed what I wrote?
3894
3895857
389600:42:06,456 --> 00:42:07,756
3897Who...
3898
3899858
390000:42:07,757 --> 00:42:08,890
3901Who changed
3902what I fucking wrote?
3903
3904859
390500:42:08,891 --> 00:42:11,239
3906Come on, speak up!
3907Who did this?
3908
3909860
391000:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,976
3911Nicole, what did you do?
3912
3913861
391400:42:27,976 --> 00:42:29,246
3915I, um...
3916
3917862
391800:42:31,246 --> 00:42:33,454
3919I ran it through spell check.
3920
3921863
392200:42:37,454 --> 00:42:38,454
3923Spell check?
3924
3925864
392600:42:38,455 --> 00:42:39,990
3927Jesus.
3928
3929865
393000:42:40,990 --> 00:42:43,591
3931That's what I always do.
3932I'm so sorry.
3933
3934866
393500:42:43,592 --> 00:42:45,361
3936Do not cry, Nicole.
3937
3938867
393900:42:45,362 --> 00:42:47,835
3940Do not fucking cry.
3941
3942868
394300:42:52,835 --> 00:42:54,636
3944Okay, well, we know
3945that it's not fake.
3946
3947869
394800:42:54,637 --> 00:42:57,506
3949We go online,
3950we explain what happened,
3951we call all of the networks.
3952
3953870
395400:42:57,507 --> 00:42:58,874
3955Stop it, Martin.
3956
3957871
395800:42:58,875 --> 00:43:01,544
3959Fuck, Rog, it was
3960an honest mistake.
3961
3962872
396300:43:01,545 --> 00:43:03,712
3964Don't be so naive.
3965
3966873
396700:43:03,713 --> 00:43:06,948
3968You're an American editor.
3969What story do you put out now?
3970
3971874
397200:43:06,949 --> 00:43:10,986
3973That<i> The Observer</i>
3974is doubling down
3975on a fake memo?
3976
3977875
397800:43:10,987 --> 00:43:12,754
3979Or that the staff
3980of this newspaper
3981
3982876
398300:43:12,755 --> 00:43:16,496
3984are really so colossally stupid!
3985
3986877
398700:43:29,672 --> 00:43:32,463
3988It's all right.
3989Would you like a cup of tea?
3990
3991878
399200:43:53,463 --> 00:43:55,364
3993Someone in this building
3994
3995879
399600:43:55,365 --> 00:43:59,834
3997has betrayed their government
3998and their country.
3999
4000880
400100:43:59,835 --> 00:44:02,738
4002Now I'm sure
4003it wasn't anyone
4004in this division,
4005
4006881
400700:44:02,739 --> 00:44:04,339
4008but starting today,
4009
4010882
401100:44:04,340 --> 00:44:07,609
4012Internal Security will be
4013conducting interviews
4014
4015883
401600:44:07,610 --> 00:44:10,413
4017with each and every one of you.
4018
4019884
402000:44:10,414 --> 00:44:13,915
4021If you know anything
4022or suspect anyone,
4023
4024885
402500:44:13,916 --> 00:44:17,618
4026it is your sworn duty
4027to speak up.
4028
4029886
403000:44:17,619 --> 00:44:20,089
4031If you do not
4032and you are found to have
4033
4034887
403500:44:20,090 --> 00:44:22,491
4036withheld information
4037of any kind,
4038
4039888
404000:44:22,492 --> 00:44:24,993
4041you will be charged
4042with a breach
4043
4044889
404500:44:24,994 --> 00:44:27,300
4046of the Official Secrets Act.
4047
4048890
404900:45:16,146 --> 00:45:19,281
4050You should see the file
4051that tosser's got on me.
4052
4053891
405400:45:19,282 --> 00:45:20,282
4055What did he ask you?
4056
4057892
405800:45:20,283 --> 00:45:21,795
4059Katharine!
4060
4061893
406200:45:31,795 --> 00:45:33,900
4063Come in, Katharine.
4064
4065894
406600:45:36,900 --> 00:45:38,400
4067Katharine Gun?
4068
4069895
407000:45:38,401 --> 00:45:39,667
4071Yes?
4072
4073896
407400:45:39,668 --> 00:45:42,746
4075I'm John from
4076Internal Security. Please.
4077
4078897
407900:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,320
4080Mandarin translator.
4081
4082898
408300:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,357
4084GCHQ for two years.
4085
4086899
408700:46:01,358 --> 00:46:02,358
4088Yes.
4089
4090900
409100:46:02,359 --> 00:46:03,725
4092And before that?
4093
4094901
409500:46:03,726 --> 00:46:05,960
4096I taught English
4097to Japanese students.
4098
4099902
410000:46:05,961 --> 00:46:07,961
4101Hiroshima, right?
4102
4103903
410400:46:05,961 --> 00:46:07,797
4105Yes.
4106
4107904
410800:46:08,797 --> 00:46:10,598
4109Interesting.
4110
4111905
411200:46:10,599 --> 00:46:13,569
4113Did you visit the memorial?
4114
4115906
411600:46:13,570 --> 00:46:14,736
4117The peace memorial?
4118
4119907
412000:46:14,737 --> 00:46:16,742
4121To the people
4122killed by the atomic bomb?
4123
4124908
412500:46:18,742 --> 00:46:20,509
4126Yes, actually, I did.
4127
4128909
412900:46:20,510 --> 00:46:21,510
4130It's, uh...
4131
4132910
413300:46:23,112 --> 00:46:24,446
4134It's something
4135you really have to see.
4136
4137911
413800:46:24,447 --> 00:46:25,447
4139It's very moving.
4140
4141912
414200:46:28,150 --> 00:46:31,419
4143Compels one to think
4144about the consequences of war,
4145
4146913
414700:46:31,420 --> 00:46:33,589
4148doesn't it?
4149
4150914
415100:46:33,590 --> 00:46:35,590
4152Yes, I suppose it does.
4153
4154915
415500:46:35,591 --> 00:46:37,125
4156Are you anti-war, Katharine?
4157
4158916
415900:46:37,126 --> 00:46:38,259
4160No.
4161
4162917
416300:46:38,260 --> 00:46:41,603
4164Uh, I think
4165sometimes war is necessary.
4166
4167918
416800:46:46,603 --> 00:46:48,703
4169I see you lived in Taiwan
4170as a child?
4171
4172919
417300:46:48,704 --> 00:46:49,704
4174Yes.
4175
4176920
417700:46:49,705 --> 00:46:50,906
4178How long did you live there?
4179
4180921
418100:46:50,907 --> 00:46:52,741
4182We moved over when I was three.
4183
4184922
418500:46:52,742 --> 00:46:54,010
4186I came back to do my A-levels.
4187
4188923
418900:46:55,010 --> 00:46:56,379
4190So for most
4191of your childhood then?
4192
4193924
419400:46:56,380 --> 00:46:57,815
4195Yes.
4196
4197925
419800:46:58,815 --> 00:47:00,482
4199You had a religious upbringing?
4200
4201926
420200:47:00,483 --> 00:47:01,716
4203No, not particularly.
4204
4205927
420600:47:01,717 --> 00:47:02,850
4207But were you sent away
4208
4209928
421000:47:02,851 --> 00:47:05,087
4211to a Christian
4212missionary school
4213in Taiwan?
4214
4215929
421600:47:05,088 --> 00:47:06,120
4217Yes.
4218
4219930
422000:47:06,121 --> 00:47:08,089
4221Gave you a clear sense
4222of right and wrong, did it,
4223
4224931
422500:47:08,090 --> 00:47:09,325
4226being in a mission school?
4227
4228932
422900:47:09,326 --> 00:47:10,692
4230I think my parents gave me that.
4231
4232933
423300:47:11,827 --> 00:47:13,398
4234Did you leak the Koza e-mail?
4235
4236934
423700:47:14,398 --> 00:47:15,398
4238No.
4239
4240935
424100:47:14,398 --> 00:47:15,698
4242No?
4243
4244936
424500:47:15,699 --> 00:47:16,934
4246No.
4247
4248937
424900:47:18,934 --> 00:47:20,934
4250But you read it?
4251
4252938
425300:47:18,934 --> 00:47:20,401
4254Yes.
4255
4256939
425700:47:20,402 --> 00:47:22,971
4258I mean, it was sent to me,
4259so I read it.
4260
4261940
426200:47:22,972 --> 00:47:25,842
4263What were your immediate
4264thoughts after you read it?
4265
4266941
426700:47:26,842 --> 00:47:28,410
4268Nothing much.
4269It didn't really bother me.
4270
4271942
427200:47:28,411 --> 00:47:29,411
4273It didn't?
4274
4275943
427600:47:29,412 --> 00:47:30,949
4277No.
4278
4279944
428000:47:32,949 --> 00:47:35,521
4281Who do you think
4282might have leaked it?
4283
4284945
428500:47:39,521 --> 00:47:40,521
4286I have no idea.
4287
4288946
428900:47:40,522 --> 00:47:41,823
4290No?
4291
4292947
429300:47:41,824 --> 00:47:43,824
4294No.
4295
4296948
429700:47:41,824 --> 00:47:43,725
4298No?
4299
4300949
430100:47:43,726 --> 00:47:44,726
4302No.
4303
4304950
430500:47:47,563 --> 00:47:49,400
4306Thank you, Mrs. Gun.
4307
4308951
430900:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,608
4310That's all for now.
4311
4312952
431300:47:58,608 --> 00:48:00,575
4314Eat a little.
4315
4316953
431700:48:00,576 --> 00:48:01,576
4318Please.
4319
4320954
432100:48:04,246 --> 00:48:07,021
4322They're bringing everyone in.
4323One by one.
4324
4325955
432600:48:11,021 --> 00:48:12,789
4327You haven't said anything?
4328
4329956
433000:48:13,789 --> 00:48:15,161
4331Okay. Just eat a little.
4332
4333957
433400:48:19,161 --> 00:48:21,701
4335Everything will be all right.
4336
4337958
433800:48:25,701 --> 00:48:26,844
4339Eat.
4340
4341959
434200:48:34,844 --> 00:48:36,912
4343Hi, Fiona, it's Katharine.
4344
4345960
434600:48:36,913 --> 00:48:38,480
4347Um...
4348
4349961
435000:48:38,481 --> 00:48:39,580
4351I'm so sorry
4352
4353962
435400:48:39,581 --> 00:48:42,151
4355but I don't think I'm gonna
4356be able to come in today.
4357
4358963
435900:48:42,152 --> 00:48:45,856
4360Yeah, I think
4361I've caught a tummy bug.
4362
4363964
436400:48:46,856 --> 00:48:48,358
4365Yeah.
4366
4367965
436800:48:49,358 --> 00:48:50,859
4369Thank you.
4370
4371966
437200:48:50,860 --> 00:48:53,095
4373Thank you so much.
4374
4375967
437600:48:53,096 --> 00:48:54,766
4377What'd she say?
4378
4379968
438000:48:55,766 --> 00:48:57,466
4381She said I should get some rest.
4382
4383969
438400:48:57,467 --> 00:48:58,966
4385Good.
4386
4387970
438800:48:58,967 --> 00:49:00,467
4389She was nice.
4390
4391971
439200:49:00,468 --> 00:49:01,507
4393That's good.
4394
4395972
439600:49:03,507 --> 00:49:04,777
4397Try and sleep.
4398
4399973
440000:49:07,777 --> 00:49:09,590
4401Sorry, I have to go.
4402
4403974
440400:49:21,590 --> 00:49:24,859
4405<i>...ask you about a report
4406in</i> The Observer<i> newspaper</i>
4407
4408975
440900:49:24,860 --> 00:49:26,861
4410<i>in London, a memo</i>
4411
4412976
441300:49:26,862 --> 00:49:30,399
4414<i>reported to be from a man
4415who actually works at the NSA</i>
4416
4417977
441800:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,335
4419<i>in which he describes
4420a "surge in surveillance</i>
4421
4422978
442300:49:34,336 --> 00:49:37,071
4424<i>"of UN Security Council
4425members."</i>
4426
4427979
442800:49:37,072 --> 00:49:38,207
4429<i>What's your response?</i>
4430
4431980
443200:49:38,208 --> 00:49:40,942
4433Terry, as a matter
4434of long-standing policy
4435
4436981
443700:49:40,943 --> 00:49:43,210
4438the administration
4439never comments on anything
4440
4441982
444200:49:43,211 --> 00:49:46,582
4443involving any people
4444involved in intelligence.
4445
4446983
444700:49:46,583 --> 00:49:48,083
4448No, of course, you don't.
4449
4450984
445100:49:48,084 --> 00:49:49,283
4452What the fuck?
4453
4454985
445500:49:49,284 --> 00:49:51,352
4456<i> If you're
4457a Cameroonian diplomat</i>
4458
4459986
446000:49:51,353 --> 00:49:53,788
4461<i>or a French diplomat
4462at the United Nations</i>
4463
4464987
446500:49:53,789 --> 00:49:55,390
4466<i>then you're gonna have
4467to operate on the assumption</i>
4468
4469988
447000:49:55,391 --> 00:49:56,558
4471<i>that the United States
4472is bugging you.</i>
4473
4474989
447500:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,194
4476<i>No, it's a blanket matter
4477of policy</i>
4478
4479990
448000:49:59,195 --> 00:50:01,964
4481<i>that we do not
4482answer questions
4483of that nature...</i>
4484
4485991
448600:50:01,965 --> 00:50:03,965
4487Hi.
4488
4489992
449000:50:01,965 --> 00:50:03,564
4491Hi.
4492
4493993
449400:50:03,565 --> 00:50:05,801
4495<i>...I'm not indicating
4496to you whether
4497it's true or not true.</i>
4498
4499994
450000:50:05,802 --> 00:50:07,201
4501Have you eaten?
4502
4503995
450400:50:07,202 --> 00:50:10,671
4505<i>...of policy that predates
4506this administration.</i>
4507
4508996
450900:50:10,672 --> 00:50:12,672
4510I brought soup.
4511A bean salad.
4512
4513997
451400:50:15,110 --> 00:50:16,110
4515I'm gonna say it was me.
4516
4517998
451800:50:18,047 --> 00:50:20,883
4519The Americans
4520are refusing to admit
4521that the memo was real.
4522
4523999
452400:50:20,884 --> 00:50:21,884
4525I have to tell the truth.
4526
45271000
452800:50:21,885 --> 00:50:22,951
4529No.
4530
45311001
453200:50:22,952 --> 00:50:26,221
4533If I don't,
4534then they'll get away
4535with saying it was a fake.
4536
45371002
453800:50:26,222 --> 00:50:29,325
4539<i>Janum,</i> you did what you could.
4540Now leave it alone, please!
4541
45421003
454300:50:29,326 --> 00:50:30,392
4544What am I supposed to do?
4545
45461004
454700:50:30,393 --> 00:50:32,127
4548Am I supposed
4549to keep lying forever?
4550
45511005
455200:50:32,128 --> 00:50:33,962
4553If you say nothing,
4554they can never prove anything.
4555
45561006
455700:50:33,963 --> 00:50:35,830
4558They are questioning
4559everyone at work.
4560
45611007
456200:50:35,831 --> 00:50:36,997
4563They're interrogating
4564my friends.
4565
45661008
456700:50:36,998 --> 00:50:38,533
4568They're asking people
4569to name names.
4570
45711009
457200:50:38,534 --> 00:50:40,034
4573That will be over soon.
4574
45751010
457600:50:40,035 --> 00:50:41,903
4577And then what?
4578
45791011
458000:50:41,904 --> 00:50:43,339
4581There will be a question mark
4582
45831012
458400:50:43,340 --> 00:50:45,739
4585in hundreds of people's files
4586because of me.
4587
45881013
458900:50:45,740 --> 00:50:48,042
4590They will put you in jail!
4591
45921014
459300:50:48,043 --> 00:50:49,377
4594I have to prove it was real.
4595
45961015
459700:50:49,378 --> 00:50:50,578
4598Everyone at work knows that
4599
46001016
460100:50:50,579 --> 00:50:52,814
4602what the NSA
4603asked us to do was illegal.
4604
46051017
460600:50:52,815 --> 00:50:54,815
4607Nobody cares!
4608
46091018
461000:50:52,815 --> 00:50:54,018
4611Well, I care!
4612
46131019
461400:50:57,018 --> 00:50:58,886
4615If I don't say it was me,
4616then we'll go to war
4617
46181020
461900:50:58,887 --> 00:51:01,189
4620based on blackmail and lies.
4621
46221021
462300:51:01,190 --> 00:51:03,327
4624And I can't live
4625with that. I won't.
4626
46271022
462800:51:05,327 --> 00:51:07,664
4629<i>Janum,</i> please listen to me.
4630
46311023
463200:51:08,664 --> 00:51:09,632
4633I work at a cafe.
4634
46351024
463600:51:09,633 --> 00:51:11,533
4637I took the job
4638because I needed a job.
4639
46401025
464100:51:11,534 --> 00:51:13,368
4642But it's just a job.
4643
46441026
464500:51:13,369 --> 00:51:15,703
4646You did the same thing,
4647remember?
4648
46491027
465000:51:15,704 --> 00:51:17,805
4651When you saw the advert,
4652you said you didn't even know
4653
46541028
465500:51:17,806 --> 00:51:19,644
4656what the job really was.
4657
46581029
465900:51:21,644 --> 00:51:23,146
4660It's just a job.
4661
46621030
466300:51:24,146 --> 00:51:26,351
4664And you can get another job.
4665
46661031
466700:51:29,351 --> 00:51:31,685
4668You just need to keep
4669your head down
4670for a few more weeks
4671
46721032
467300:51:31,686 --> 00:51:33,389
4674until things calm down.
4675
46761033
467700:51:34,389 --> 00:51:36,177
4678Then you resign,
4679you can get another job.
4680
46811034
468200:51:54,177 --> 00:51:56,619
4683Hey.
4684
46851035
468600:52:03,619 --> 00:52:05,319
4687On a diet?
4688
46891036
469000:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,320
4691What?
4692
46931037
469400:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,056
4695No cinnamon bun?
4696
46971038
469800:52:10,092 --> 00:52:11,561
4699Who's in there now?
4700
47011039
470200:52:12,561 --> 00:52:15,230
4703Nuri. Second time.
4704
47051040
470600:52:15,231 --> 00:52:17,271
4707Had him take a lie detector
4708test yesterday.
4709
47101041
471100:52:22,271 --> 00:52:23,757
4712Mi-Yung!
4713
47141042
471500:53:22,465 --> 00:53:23,969
4716I did it.
4717
47181043
471900:53:25,969 --> 00:53:27,307
4720It was me.
4721
47221044
472300:53:31,307 --> 00:53:32,713
4724Oh, Katharine.
4725
47261045
472700:53:37,713 --> 00:53:38,713
4728Leave us, please.
4729
47301046
473100:54:33,168 --> 00:54:34,168
4732Handbag.
4733
47341047
473500:54:37,005 --> 00:54:38,775
4736Rings.
4737
47381048
473900:54:40,775 --> 00:54:42,346
4740Necklace.
4741
47421049
474300:54:43,346 --> 00:54:45,913
4744Watch. Belt.
4745
47461050
474700:54:45,914 --> 00:54:47,914
4748I don't have a belt.
4749
47501051
475100:54:50,585 --> 00:54:52,161
4752Take her through cell 7.
4753
47541052
475500:55:08,704 --> 00:55:11,909
4756I've found the passports
4757and a couple of foreign books.
4758
47591053
476000:55:13,909 --> 00:55:15,047
4761Who are you?
4762
47631054
476400:55:17,047 --> 00:55:18,050
4765Where's my wife?
4766
47671055
476800:55:21,050 --> 00:55:23,384
4769I want to see her.
4770Where is she?
4771
47721056
477300:55:23,385 --> 00:55:26,754
4774They can't keep me long.
4775They haven't charged me yet.
4776
47771057
477800:55:26,755 --> 00:55:28,260
4779No contact, please.
4780
47811058
478200:55:32,260 --> 00:55:33,760
4783Where are they holding you?
4784
47851059
478600:55:33,761 --> 00:55:35,132
4787Downstairs.
4788
47891060
479000:55:37,132 --> 00:55:39,177
4791I'm okay.
4792I promise I'm okay.
4793
47941061
479500:55:48,177 --> 00:55:49,581
4796I brought this.
4797
47981062
479900:55:51,581 --> 00:55:53,987
4800It will get cold tonight.
4801
48021063
480300:55:57,987 --> 00:55:58,987
4804Thank you.
4805
48061064
480700:56:14,570 --> 00:56:16,911
4808Lights out.
4809
48101065
481100:56:27,983 --> 00:56:29,483
4812Katharine Gun?
4813
48141066
481500:56:29,484 --> 00:56:30,585
4816Yes.
4817
48181067
481900:56:30,586 --> 00:56:33,856
4820We're from Scotland Yard.
4821Do you have a lawyer?
4822
48231068
482400:56:34,856 --> 00:56:35,757
4825No.
4826
48271069
482800:56:35,758 --> 00:56:38,125
4829There's a duty
4830solicitor on call.
4831
48321070
483300:56:38,126 --> 00:56:39,164
4834She'll sit in with you.
4835
48361071
483700:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,334
4838Your supervisor
4839speaks highly
4840of your integrity.
4841
48421072
484300:56:47,335 --> 00:56:51,672
4844She says this breach
4845was a foolish one-off.
4846
48471073
484800:56:51,673 --> 00:56:52,707
4849Was it?
4850
48511074
485200:56:52,708 --> 00:56:55,509
4853Do you mean if I leaked
4854anything else? No.
4855
48561075
485700:56:55,510 --> 00:56:56,510
4858Do you intend to?
4859
48601076
486100:56:56,511 --> 00:56:57,947
4862No.
4863
48641077
486500:56:58,947 --> 00:57:01,415
4866I've always been very proud
4867to work at GCHQ.
4868
48691078
487000:57:01,416 --> 00:57:02,416
4871Until now.
4872
48731079
487400:57:04,019 --> 00:57:06,287
4875Yes. Until now.
4876
48771080
487800:57:06,288 --> 00:57:08,525
4879What were you employed to do?
4880
48811081
488200:57:09,525 --> 00:57:11,896
4883Well, I can't be specific.
4884
48851082
488600:57:12,896 --> 00:57:14,264
4887Be general then.
4888
48891083
489000:57:15,264 --> 00:57:17,198
4891I translated signals
4892intelligence
4893
48941084
489500:57:17,199 --> 00:57:18,665
4896and I reported anything
4897
48981085
489900:57:18,666 --> 00:57:20,636
4900I thought
4901might be of interest
4902to my clients.
4903
49041086
490500:57:20,637 --> 00:57:22,637
4906Your clients?
4907
49081087
490900:57:20,637 --> 00:57:22,537
4910The Foreign Office.
4911
49121088
491300:57:22,538 --> 00:57:23,738
4914The Ministry of Defense.
4915
49161089
491700:57:23,739 --> 00:57:25,774
4918So, you work
4919for the British Government.
4920
49211090
492200:57:25,775 --> 00:57:27,275
4923No. Not really.
4924
49251091
492600:57:27,276 --> 00:57:28,642
4927No?
4928
49291092
493000:57:28,643 --> 00:57:30,544
4931Governments change.
4932
49331093
493400:57:30,545 --> 00:57:32,480
4935I work for the British people.
4936
49371094
493800:57:32,481 --> 00:57:33,481
4939I gather intelligence
4940
49411095
494200:57:34,016 --> 00:57:38,120
4943so that the government
4944can protect
4945the British people.
4946
49471096
494800:57:38,121 --> 00:57:41,388
4949I do not gather intelligence
4950so that the government can lie
4951
49521097
495300:57:41,389 --> 00:57:43,626
4954to the British people.
4955
49561098
495700:57:45,626 --> 00:57:48,363
4958With respect, Mrs. Gun,
4959
49601099
496100:57:48,364 --> 00:57:50,832
4962you're a spy.
4963
49641100
496500:57:50,833 --> 00:57:51,701
4966Yes.
4967
49681101
496900:57:51,702 --> 00:57:52,767
4970You gather information
4971
49721102
497300:57:52,768 --> 00:57:54,535
4974from people's phones
4975and computers
4976
49771103
497800:57:54,536 --> 00:57:56,538
4979and you feed that
4980to your clients.
4981
49821104
498300:57:56,539 --> 00:57:58,539
4984Yes.
4985
49861105
498700:57:58,540 --> 00:58:00,207
4988You eavesdrop
4989on private conversations.
4990
49911106
499200:58:00,208 --> 00:58:02,377
4993And now you're upset
4994at being asked to do that
4995
49961107
499700:58:02,378 --> 00:58:04,245
4998to members
4999of the Security Council?
5000
50011108
500200:58:04,246 --> 00:58:05,948
5003Detective...
5004
50051109
500600:58:05,949 --> 00:58:09,018
5007I don't object to being asked
5008to collect information
5009
50101110
501100:58:10,018 --> 00:58:13,187
5012that could help
5013prevent a terror attack.
5014
50151111
501600:58:13,188 --> 00:58:17,491
5017What I object to
5018is being asked
5019to gather intelligence
5020
50211112
502200:58:17,492 --> 00:58:20,595
5023to help fix a vote at the UN
5024
50251113
502600:58:20,596 --> 00:58:23,237
5027and deceive the world
5028into going to war.
5029
50301114
503100:58:27,237 --> 00:58:28,237
5032Who put you up to this?
5033
50341115
503500:58:28,238 --> 00:58:29,870
5036No one.
5037
50381116
503900:58:29,871 --> 00:58:31,506
5040But you gave the memo
5041to someone.
5042
50431117
504400:58:31,507 --> 00:58:33,942
5045Who did you give it to?
5046A journalist?
5047
50481118
504900:58:33,943 --> 00:58:36,912
5050Someone in the anti-war
5051movement?
5052
50531119
505400:58:36,913 --> 00:58:37,913
5055Your husband?
5056
50571120
505800:58:39,081 --> 00:58:40,348
5059You don't have
5060to answer that.
5061
50621121
506300:58:40,349 --> 00:58:41,649
5064No, I will answer that.
5065
50661122
506700:58:41,650 --> 00:58:43,685
5068My husband had absolutely
5069nothing to do with this.
5070
50711123
507200:58:43,686 --> 00:58:46,388
5073He was briefly detained
5074here, too, wasn't he?
5075
50761124
507700:58:46,389 --> 00:58:47,889
5078Pending deportation?
5079
50801125
508100:58:47,890 --> 00:58:49,323
5082Yes, he was.
5083
50841126
508500:58:49,324 --> 00:58:50,824
5086And then you married him.
5087
50881127
508900:58:50,825 --> 00:58:52,060
5090Yes.
5091
50921128
509300:58:52,061 --> 00:58:53,421
5094His paperwork
5095has been resubmitted.
5096
50971129
509800:58:54,028 --> 00:58:56,028
5099He signs in here once a week.
5100
51011130
510200:58:54,028 --> 00:58:56,266
5103He's a Muslim.
5104
51051131
510600:58:58,266 --> 00:58:59,334
5107I'm sorry?
5108
51091132
511000:58:59,335 --> 00:59:01,069
5111He's a Kurdish Turk
5112
51131133
511400:59:01,070 --> 00:59:04,138
5115seeking permanent residence
5116in Britain.
5117
51181134
511900:59:04,139 --> 00:59:07,841
5120And given what
5121Saddam Hussein has done
5122to the Kurdish people,
5123
51241135
512500:59:07,842 --> 00:59:12,080
5126murdering over
5127180,000 of them
5128with chemical weapons,
5129
51301136
513100:59:12,081 --> 00:59:13,515
5132I can assure you
5133
51341137
513500:59:13,516 --> 00:59:16,451
5136my husband has absolutely
5137no sympathy whatsoever
5138
51391138
514000:59:16,452 --> 00:59:17,585
5141with the Iraqi regime.
5142
51431139
514400:59:17,586 --> 00:59:18,854
5145Then why did you leak a memo
5146
51471140
514800:59:18,855 --> 00:59:22,089
5149intended to help
5150remove Saddam Hussein?
5151
51521141
515300:59:22,090 --> 00:59:23,191
5154'Cause by attacking Iraq,
5155
51561142
515700:59:23,192 --> 00:59:25,861
5158you don't simply attack
5159Saddam Hussein,
5160
51611143
516200:59:25,862 --> 00:59:29,096
5163you attack the country
5164of over 30 million people!
5165
51661144
516700:59:29,097 --> 00:59:31,665
5168And I cannot bear to think
5169of the pain and the suffering
5170
51711145
517200:59:31,666 --> 00:59:32,868
5173that that will cause.
5174
51751146
517600:59:32,869 --> 00:59:36,171
5177Frankly, I don't see
5178how anyone can bear it.
5179
51801147
518100:59:36,172 --> 00:59:38,939
5182Detective,
5183is she going to be
5184formally charged?
5185
51861148
518700:59:38,940 --> 00:59:40,942
5188That's a decision
5189for the Attorney General.
5190
51911149
519200:59:40,943 --> 00:59:45,680
5193Lord Goldsmith
5194will need time to decide
5195how to deal with you.
5196
51971150
519800:59:45,681 --> 00:59:47,482
5199The custody sergeant
5200will release you
5201
52021151
520300:59:47,483 --> 00:59:48,950
5204on police bail today.
5205
52061152
520700:59:48,951 --> 00:59:50,852
5208You'll be told
5209to return to the station
5210
52111153
521200:59:50,853 --> 00:59:52,854
5213in approximately three months,
5214
52151154
521600:59:52,855 --> 00:59:55,256
5217by which time a decision
5218on whether to charge you
5219
52201155
522100:59:55,257 --> 00:59:56,257
5222will have been made.
5223
52241156
522501:00:07,670 --> 01:00:09,373
5226Are you all right,<i> janum?</i>
5227
52281157
522901:00:10,373 --> 01:00:11,373
5230Are you all right?
5231
52321158
523301:00:11,374 --> 01:00:12,439
5234Yeah, come on.
5235
52361159
523701:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,241
5238Katharine?
5239
52401160
524101:00:14,242 --> 01:00:17,377
5242I'm sorry. I deal mostly
5243with petty criminals,
5244
52451161
524601:00:17,378 --> 01:00:19,647
5247drunks and drug addicts.
5248
52491162
525001:00:19,648 --> 01:00:21,750
5251If you're charged,
5252you're gonna need someone
5253
52541163
525501:00:21,751 --> 01:00:23,951
5256with a lot more
5257experience than me.
5258
52591164
526001:00:23,952 --> 01:00:25,452
5261I see.
5262
52631165
526401:00:25,453 --> 01:00:26,921
5265Have you heard of Liberty?
5266
52671166
526801:00:26,922 --> 01:00:28,756
5269They handle human rights cases,
5270
52711167
527201:00:28,757 --> 01:00:32,160
5273political cases, often for free.
5274
52751168
527601:00:32,161 --> 01:00:36,930
5277Well... I just wanted
5278to be sure you knew that.
5279
52801169
528101:00:36,931 --> 01:00:38,931
5282Good luck.
5283
52841170
528501:00:36,931 --> 01:00:38,399
5286Thank you.
5287
52881171
528901:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,400
5290Thank you.
5291
52921172
529301:00:42,070 --> 01:00:43,772
5294<i>George W. Bush's patience</i>
5295
52961173
529701:00:43,773 --> 01:00:45,372
5298<i>with the United Nation
5299has run out</i>
5300
53011174
530201:00:45,373 --> 01:00:48,243
5303<i>because they haven't managed
5304to get those nine votes</i>
5305
53061175
530701:00:48,244 --> 01:00:50,779
5308<i>at the Security Council
5309which would give them,</i>
5310
53111176
531201:00:50,780 --> 01:00:52,513
5313<i>what they call,
5314a moral majority.</i>
5315
53161177
531701:00:52,514 --> 01:00:56,417
5318<i>That represents a real failure
5319of American diplomacy.</i>
5320
53211178
532201:00:56,418 --> 01:00:58,718
5323<i>This is the man who's
5324advising Tony Blair</i>
5325
53261179
532701:00:58,719 --> 01:01:00,721
5328<i>on the legality of war.</i>
5329
53301180
533101:01:00,722 --> 01:01:02,189
5332<i>The Attorney General
5333Lord Goldsmith</i>
5334
53351181
533601:01:02,190 --> 01:01:04,892
5337<i>has, I understand,
5338told the Prime Minister</i>
5339
53401182
534101:01:04,893 --> 01:01:08,162
5342<i>military action would be legal
5343without a second resolution.</i>
5344
53451183
534601:01:08,163 --> 01:01:09,897
5347<i>But it's all down
5348to interpretation.</i>
5349
53501184
535101:01:09,898 --> 01:01:11,665
5352What is she saying?
5353They have not got the votes
5354
53551185
535601:01:11,666 --> 01:01:13,535
5357but they're going to war,
5358anyway?
5359
53601186
536101:01:13,536 --> 01:01:16,538
5362<i>...arguing old
5363UN resolutions don't count</i>
5364
53651187
536601:01:16,539 --> 01:01:19,573
5367<i>and war is illegal
5368without a new one</i>
5369
53701188
537101:01:19,574 --> 01:01:20,908
5372<i>or a new threat.</i>
5373
53741189
537501:01:20,909 --> 01:01:22,176
5376<i>So the troops are in place.</i>
5377
53781190
537901:01:22,177 --> 01:01:24,379
5380<i>Some UN inspectors
5381are quitting Iraq.</i>
5382
53831191
538401:01:24,380 --> 01:01:26,046
5385<i>Just how close are we to war?</i>
5386
53871192
538801:01:26,047 --> 01:01:28,716
5389<i>Fergus has been assessing
5390the evidence. Fergus?</i>
5391
53921193
539301:01:28,717 --> 01:01:30,285
5394<i> All the signs are now</i>
5395
53961194
539701:01:30,286 --> 01:01:32,422
5398<i>that war is very,
5399very close now...</i>
5400
54011195
540201:01:34,422 --> 01:01:35,858
5403Hi.
5404
54051196
540601:01:36,858 --> 01:01:38,858
5407Do you wanna come in?
5408
54091197
541001:01:36,858 --> 01:01:38,259
5411Oh, no, no, no.
5412
54131198
541401:01:38,260 --> 01:01:40,361
5415I'm all packed for London.
5416
54171199
541801:01:40,362 --> 01:01:42,495
5419I just, um...
5420
54211200
542201:01:42,496 --> 01:01:45,969
5423I just wanted to say,
5424I think that
5425what you did was amazing.
5426
54271201
542801:01:46,969 --> 01:01:48,969
5429You do?
5430
54311202
543201:01:48,970 --> 01:01:50,706
5433Yeah. A lot of us do.
5434
54351203
543601:01:51,706 --> 01:01:52,706
5437Really?
5438
54391204
544001:01:54,376 --> 01:01:56,646
5441Are they going to charge you?
5442
54431205
544401:01:57,646 --> 01:01:58,646
5445I don't know.
5446
54471206
544801:02:01,117 --> 01:02:03,984
5449God, Kat, I'm so sorry.
5450
54511207
545201:02:03,985 --> 01:02:05,720
5453Hey, you didn't do
5454anything wrong.
5455
54561208
545701:02:05,721 --> 01:02:08,998
5458I didn't do
5459anything right. I...
5460
54611209
546201:02:17,766 --> 01:02:20,641
5463I better be going. Bye.
5464
54651210
546601:02:41,824 --> 01:02:43,857
5467<i>My fellow citizens,</i>
5468
54691211
547001:02:43,858 --> 01:02:46,995
5471<i>at this hour,
5472American and coalition forces</i>
5473
54741212
547501:02:46,996 --> 01:02:49,730
5476<i>are in the early stages
5477of military operations</i>
5478
54791213
548001:02:49,731 --> 01:02:52,866
5481to disarm Iraq,
5482to free its people
5483
54841214
548501:02:52,867 --> 01:02:55,770
5486and to defend the world
5487from grave danger.
5488
54891215
549001:02:55,771 --> 01:02:59,674
5491<i>Our nation enters
5492this conflict reluctantly,</i>
5493
54941216
549501:02:59,675 --> 01:03:02,410
5496<i>yet our purpose is sure.</i>
5497
54981217
549901:03:02,411 --> 01:03:04,946
5500<i>The people
5501of the United States
5502and our friends and allies</i>
5503
55041218
550501:03:04,947 --> 01:03:08,383
5506<i>will not live at the mercy
5507of an outlaw regime</i>
5508
55091219
551001:03:08,384 --> 01:03:11,886
5511<i>that threatens the peace
5512with weapons of mass murder.</i>
5513
55141220
551501:03:16,992 --> 01:03:18,292
5516<i>We will meet that threat now.</i>
5517
55181221
551901:03:18,293 --> 01:03:21,229
5520We should have
5521got that memo out
5522sooner.
5523
55241222
552501:03:21,230 --> 01:03:22,730
5526We did what we could.
5527
55281223
552901:03:22,731 --> 01:03:24,497
5530We fucking failed.
5531
55321224
553301:03:24,498 --> 01:03:26,468
5534<i> So that we
5535do not have to meet it later</i>
5536
55371225
553801:03:26,469 --> 01:03:30,605
5539<i>with armies of firefighters
5540and police and doctors</i>
5541
55421226
554301:03:30,606 --> 01:03:33,140
5544<i>on the streets of our cities.</i>
5545
55461227
554701:03:33,141 --> 01:03:35,076
5548<i>Now that conflict has come,</i>
5549
55501228
555101:03:35,077 --> 01:03:36,944
5552<i>the only way
5553to limit its duration</i>
5554
55551229
555601:03:36,945 --> 01:03:39,413
5557<i>is to apply decisive force.</i>
5558
55591230
556001:03:39,414 --> 01:03:41,216
5561I'm so fucking naive.
5562
55631231
556401:03:41,217 --> 01:03:44,384
5565<i>This will not be a campaign
5566of half measures</i>
5567
55681232
556901:03:44,385 --> 01:03:47,721
5570<i>and we will accept
5571no outcome but victory.</i>
5572
55731233
557401:04:04,974 --> 01:04:06,945
5575I have to go.
5576
55771234
557801:04:09,945 --> 01:04:12,247
5579You want to come to the cafe?
5580
55811235
558201:04:12,248 --> 01:04:13,889
5583Work with me?
5584
55851236
558601:04:19,889 --> 01:04:21,693
5587I'll call you later.
5588
55891237
559001:04:24,693 --> 01:04:26,463
5591If we use the phones,
5592
55931238
559401:04:27,463 --> 01:04:29,431
5595they'll be listening.
5596
55971239
559801:04:30,431 --> 01:04:32,767
5599Let them listen.
5600
56011240
560201:04:32,768 --> 01:04:34,806
5603We have nothing to hide.
5604
56051241
560601:04:37,806 --> 01:04:39,943
5607You should contact
5608those lawyers...
5609
56101242
561101:04:41,943 --> 01:04:43,346
5612...today.
5613
56141243
561501:04:44,346 --> 01:04:45,804
5616Please.
5617
56181244
561901:05:11,106 --> 01:05:12,106
5620<i> Hello?</i>
5621
56221245
562301:05:12,107 --> 01:05:13,341
5624Hi. Uh, it's Katharine.
5625
56261246
562701:05:13,342 --> 01:05:14,908
5628Uh, Katharine Gun.
5629I phoned this morning.
5630
56311247
563201:05:14,909 --> 01:05:18,014
5633<i>Oh, yes, Katharine.
5634Please, um, come on up.</i>
5635
56361248
563701:05:24,985 --> 01:05:25,985
5638Katharine?
5639
56401249
564101:05:25,986 --> 01:05:26,986
5642Hello.
5643
56441250
564501:05:26,987 --> 01:05:29,156
5646James.
5647Lovely to meet you.
5648
56491251
565001:05:29,157 --> 01:05:30,157
5651Thanks for seeing me.
5652
56531252
565401:05:29,157 --> 01:05:30,924
5655Not at all.
5656
56571253
565801:05:30,925 --> 01:05:32,359
5659I'm sorry about the decor.
5660
56611254
566201:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,263
5663We like to say
5664we focus more
5665on our clients.
5666
56671255
566801:05:35,264 --> 01:05:37,430
5669This is Shami Chakrabarti,
5670our director.
5671
56721256
567301:05:37,431 --> 01:05:39,431
5674Hello, Katharine.
5675
56761257
567701:05:39,432 --> 01:05:41,435
5678And this is Ben Emmerson.
5679
56801258
568101:05:41,436 --> 01:05:42,502
5682Hi.
5683
56841259
568501:05:42,503 --> 01:05:43,770
5686Hello.
5687
56881260
568901:05:43,771 --> 01:05:46,107
5690This was the only memo you took?
5691
56921261
569301:05:46,108 --> 01:05:47,108
5694Yes.
5695
56961262
569701:05:47,109 --> 01:05:48,576
5698No one suggested you take it?
5699
57001263
570101:05:48,577 --> 01:05:50,077
5702No.
5703
57041264
570501:05:50,078 --> 01:05:51,578
5706And you've never
5707met Martin Bright?
5708
57091265
571001:05:51,579 --> 01:05:52,647
5711No.
5712
57131266
571401:05:52,648 --> 01:05:53,514
5715Martin called me last week.
5716
57171267
571801:05:53,515 --> 01:05:55,216
5719He said he didn't know
5720who you were,
5721
57221268
572301:05:55,217 --> 01:05:58,620
5724but he wanted us to be aware
5725that you might need our help.
5726
57271269
572801:05:58,621 --> 01:06:00,555
5729Well, that was very kind of him.
5730
57311270
573201:06:00,556 --> 01:06:02,957
5733He said he got the memo
5734from someone he knew
5735
57361271
573701:06:02,958 --> 01:06:04,924
5738but he wouldn't say who.
5739
57401272
574101:06:04,925 --> 01:06:07,798
5742Do you want to tell us
5743who you gave it to?
5744
57451273
574601:06:10,798 --> 01:06:12,901
5747Look,
5748
57491274
575001:06:12,902 --> 01:06:16,738
5751if you don't mind,
5752I would prefer not to say.
5753
57541275
575501:06:16,739 --> 01:06:18,939
5756I promised I wouldn't.
5757
57581276
575901:06:18,940 --> 01:06:21,076
5760Okay.
5761
57621277
576301:06:21,077 --> 01:06:23,197
5764When you met Yasar, he had
5765already applied for asylum.
5766
57671278
576801:06:24,012 --> 01:06:25,012
5769Yes.
5770
57711279
577201:06:25,013 --> 01:06:26,346
5773Which was denied.
5774
57751280
577601:06:26,347 --> 01:06:30,116
5777Yes, uh, they said
5778that there wasn't
5779a significant enough risk
5780
57811281
578201:06:30,117 --> 01:06:32,087
5783of persecution if he went back.
5784
57851282
578601:06:32,088 --> 01:06:33,788
5787And that's when you married him?
5788
57891283
579001:06:33,789 --> 01:06:34,789
5791Yes.
5792
57931284
579401:06:34,790 --> 01:06:35,890
5795And did he pay you?
5796
57971285
579801:06:35,891 --> 01:06:37,091
5799Absolutely not.
5800
58011286
580201:06:37,092 --> 01:06:38,225
5803I'm sorry,
5804I don't mean to upset you.
5805
58061287
580701:06:38,226 --> 01:06:40,060
5808It's just that
5809your husband is Muslim
5810
58111288
581201:06:40,061 --> 01:06:41,901
5813and the prosecution
5814will be looking for motive.
5815
58161289
581701:06:42,030 --> 01:06:45,232
5818My motive was to stop a war
5819
58201290
582101:06:45,233 --> 01:06:49,669
5822and save lives. I failed.
5823
58241291
582501:06:49,670 --> 01:06:52,640
5826All I've managed to do is put
5827my husband's future at risk.
5828
58291292
583001:06:52,641 --> 01:06:54,408
5831And your own.
5832
58331293
583401:06:54,409 --> 01:06:56,076
5835In fact, by leaking information
5836
58371294
583801:06:56,077 --> 01:06:57,846
5839to try and stop a war, I'd argue
5840
58411295
584201:06:57,847 --> 01:06:59,327
5843that you chose loyalty
5844to your country
5845
58461296
584701:07:00,014 --> 01:07:04,319
5848over loyalty
5849to your government,
5850your marriage and yourself.
5851
58521297
585301:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,590
5854You had nothing to gain
5855and everything to lose.
5856
58571298
585801:07:08,590 --> 01:07:11,126
5859I think that speaks
5860rather highly of you.
5861
58621299
586301:07:12,126 --> 01:07:15,296
5864He's trying
5865to give you a compliment.
5866
58671300
586801:07:15,297 --> 01:07:16,264
5869I see.
5870
58711301
587201:07:16,265 --> 01:07:18,332
5873Part of our job
5874is to try and anticipate
5875
58761302
587701:07:18,333 --> 01:07:21,535
5878what the prosecution's
5879going to throw at you.
5880
58811303
588201:07:21,536 --> 01:07:24,339
5883Some of the people we meet
5884are looking for attention,
5885
58861304
588701:07:24,340 --> 01:07:26,640
5888a way to elevate
5889their humdrum lives.
5890
58911305
589201:07:26,641 --> 01:07:28,141
5893Well, I'm not.
5894
58951306
589601:07:28,142 --> 01:07:29,382
5897No, I don't think you are.
5898
58991307
590001:07:33,382 --> 01:07:34,349
5901Sorry.
5902
59031308
590401:07:34,350 --> 01:07:36,618
5905There's nothing to be sorry for.
5906
59071309
590801:07:36,619 --> 01:07:38,486
5909We're here to help.
5910
59111310
591201:07:41,289 --> 01:07:42,890
5913And we don't have duress.
5914
59151311
591601:07:42,891 --> 01:07:46,727
5917She's adamant
5918no outside agency
5919put any pressure on her.
5920
59211312
592201:07:46,728 --> 01:07:48,462
5923Public interest?
5924
59251313
592601:07:48,463 --> 01:07:50,964
5927The public has
5928a right to know when
5929their government is lying.
5930
59311314
593201:07:50,965 --> 01:07:52,933
5933We cite the Falklands case
5934
59351315
593601:07:52,934 --> 01:07:54,602
5937when Thatcher lied
5938about why she ordered
5939
59401316
594101:07:54,603 --> 01:07:56,270
5942the sinking
5943of that Argentinian ship.
5944
59451317
594601:07:56,271 --> 01:07:57,271
5947<i>Belgrano.</i>
5948
59491318
595001:07:56,271 --> 01:07:57,571
5951Yeah.
5952
59531319
595401:07:57,572 --> 01:07:59,072
5955Who was the whistleblower?
5956
59571320
595801:07:59,073 --> 01:08:00,073
5959Clive Ponting.
5960
59611321
596201:08:00,074 --> 01:08:01,375
5963The jury acquitted him,
5964didn't they?
5965
59661322
596701:08:01,376 --> 01:08:02,643
5968Yes, and immediately afterwards,
5969
59701323
597101:08:02,644 --> 01:08:04,611
5972Thatcher had
5973the Official Secrets Act
5974amended
5975
59761324
597701:08:04,612 --> 01:08:06,446
5978to avoid being
5979caught in a lie
5980in the future.
5981
59821325
598301:08:06,447 --> 01:08:08,716
5984So since '89,
5985the public interest is
5986
59871326
598801:08:08,717 --> 01:08:11,654
5989effectively whatever
5990the government says
5991that it is.
5992
59931327
599401:08:12,654 --> 01:08:14,321
5995We've got nothing.
5996
59971328
599801:08:14,322 --> 01:08:16,224
5999I have to think about it.
6000
60011329
600201:08:16,225 --> 01:08:18,526
6003Sorry, I have to go.
6004
60051330
600601:08:18,527 --> 01:08:20,264
6007I promised Anne a weekend away.
6008
60091331
601001:08:22,264 --> 01:08:24,965
6011If they charge her,
6012we might have
6013to plead guilty
6014
60151332
601601:08:24,966 --> 01:08:26,466
6017and ask for a reduced sentence.
6018
60191333
602001:08:26,467 --> 01:08:28,736
6021But she's young and principled.
6022
60231334
602401:08:28,737 --> 01:08:31,337
6025A judge might even think
6026that what she did
6027was morally right.
6028
60291335
603001:08:31,338 --> 01:08:33,810
6031Or crucify her as a traitor.
6032
60331336
603401:08:35,810 --> 01:08:36,810
6035Bye.
6036
60371337
603801:09:04,372 --> 01:09:05,872
6039You sure he was following you?
6040
60411338
604201:09:05,873 --> 01:09:07,375
6043He was staring at me.
6044
60451339
604601:09:07,376 --> 01:09:08,442
6047Sometimes men stare...
6048
60491340
605001:09:08,443 --> 01:09:09,544
6051Yeah, it wasn't
6052that kind of a stare.
6053
60541341
605501:09:09,545 --> 01:09:10,665
6056What kind of a stare was it?
6057
60581342
605901:09:11,011 --> 01:09:14,113
6060Yas, please,
6061I'm scared. Okay?
6062
60631343
606401:09:14,114 --> 01:09:15,185
6065I'm scared.
6066
60671344
606801:09:17,185 --> 01:09:19,487
6069You know, for years,
6070I've tried to be legal here.
6071
60721345
607301:09:19,488 --> 01:09:21,488
6074I know.
6075
60761346
607701:09:19,488 --> 01:09:21,054
6078Then why'd you do it?
6079
60801347
608101:09:21,055 --> 01:09:23,291
6082These arseholes got
6083their war, anyway.
6084
60851348
608601:09:23,292 --> 01:09:25,126
6087Saddam's over.
6088And you know what?
6089
60901349
609101:09:25,127 --> 01:09:26,127
6092I'm glad he's over!
6093
60941350
609501:09:26,128 --> 01:09:27,261
6096War is not over.
6097
60981351
609901:09:27,262 --> 01:09:28,795
6100Ousting Saddam
6101is just the beginning.
6102
61031352
610401:09:28,796 --> 01:09:30,296
6105What do you know about war?
6106
61071353
610801:09:30,297 --> 01:09:31,465
6109I work at GCHQ.
6110
61111354
611201:09:31,466 --> 01:09:33,634
6113All you do is listen
6114to people talking!
6115
61161355
611701:09:33,635 --> 01:09:36,403
6118You've never seen war!
6119You've never smelled it!
6120
61211356
612201:09:36,404 --> 01:09:37,603
6123Never even come close to it!
6124
61251357
612601:09:37,604 --> 01:09:39,941
6127Yas, I understand
6128why you are angry.
6129
61301358
613101:09:39,942 --> 01:09:42,175
6132It is my fault and I'm sorry.
6133
61341359
613501:09:42,176 --> 01:09:44,077
6136I am so sorry.
6137
61381360
613901:09:44,078 --> 01:09:49,050
6140But I watched Blair
6141with his smug smile
6142
61431361
614401:09:49,051 --> 01:09:51,818
6145and his sterile speeches
6146that tell us nothing
6147
61481362
614901:09:51,819 --> 01:09:55,855
6150of what it must feel
6151like to be a child
6152in Iraq right now.
6153
61541363
615501:09:55,856 --> 01:09:58,492
6156I know I'm not sorry
6157that I tried to stop him.
6158
61591364
616001:09:58,493 --> 01:09:59,561
6161I'm not.
6162
61631365
616401:10:00,561 --> 01:10:02,830
6165I'm only sorry that I failed.
6166
61671366
616801:10:10,639 --> 01:10:13,840
6169Thank you for inviting us in.
6170
61711367
617201:10:13,841 --> 01:10:15,108
6173What is it you came to say?
6174
61751368
617601:10:15,109 --> 01:10:18,879
6177Well, there's been
6178a development.
6179
61801369
618101:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,380
6182Am I going to be charged?
6183
61841370
618501:10:20,381 --> 01:10:21,549
6186That I don't know.
6187
61881371
618901:10:21,550 --> 01:10:23,685
6190Then why are you here?
6191
61921372
619301:10:24,685 --> 01:10:27,120
6194I gather you went to see
6195a lawyer today.
6196
61971373
619801:10:27,121 --> 01:10:28,121
6199Did you follow me?
6200
62011374
620201:10:27,121 --> 01:10:28,456
6203No.
6204
62051375
620601:10:28,457 --> 01:10:29,590
6207Because somebody did.
6208
62091376
621001:10:29,591 --> 01:10:31,358
6211Well, you must know
6212that after what you did,
6213
62141377
621501:10:31,359 --> 01:10:33,193
6216GCHQ is concerned.
6217
62181378
621901:10:33,194 --> 01:10:35,763
6220I have a right to legal advice.
6221
62221379
622301:10:35,764 --> 01:10:39,666
6224Unfortunately,
6225it's not as simple as that.
6226
62271380
622801:10:39,667 --> 01:10:42,435
6229When you signed on
6230to work for GCHQ,
6231
62321381
623301:10:42,436 --> 01:10:45,438
6234you agreed to be bound
6235by the Official Secrets Act
6236
62371382
623801:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,541
6239for the rest of your life.
6240
62411383
624201:10:47,542 --> 01:10:49,510
6243I know what I signed, detective.
6244
62451384
624601:10:49,511 --> 01:10:54,247
6247Mm, then you know
6248that it says here
6249
62501385
625101:10:54,248 --> 01:10:56,649
6252in Section 1-1
6253
62541386
625501:10:56,650 --> 01:10:59,219
6256that "a person is
6257guilty of an offense
6258
62591387
626001:10:59,220 --> 01:11:02,556
6261"if he or she
6262
62631388
626401:11:02,557 --> 01:11:04,657
6265"discloses any information
6266
62671389
626801:11:04,658 --> 01:11:08,461
6269"relating to security
6270or intelligence."
6271
62721390
627301:11:08,462 --> 01:11:12,099
6274This means that you cannot
6275discuss anything
6276
62771391
627801:11:12,100 --> 01:11:15,103
6279with anyone outside of GCHQ
6280
62811392
628201:11:15,104 --> 01:11:17,373
6283relating to
6284the document you leaked.
6285
62861393
628701:11:19,373 --> 01:11:21,642
6288Are you saying
6289I can't talk to a lawyer?
6290
62911394
629201:11:21,643 --> 01:11:23,678
6293Oh, you have the right
6294to talk to a lawyer.
6295
62961395
629701:11:23,679 --> 01:11:25,612
6298It's just that
6299you cannot discuss
6300
63011396
630201:11:25,613 --> 01:11:29,149
6303anything to do with
6304your work at GCHQ,
6305
63061397
630701:11:29,150 --> 01:11:31,117
6308or the contents
6309of the memo you leaked,
6310
63111398
631201:11:31,118 --> 01:11:33,321
6313or how it came
6314into your possession
6315
63161399
631701:11:33,322 --> 01:11:34,322
6318or who wrote it.
6319
63201400
632101:11:36,190 --> 01:11:39,326
6322All of this information
6323is top secret.
6324
63251401
632601:11:39,327 --> 01:11:42,429
6327So disclosing it
6328to anyone outside of GCHQ,
6329
63301402
633101:11:42,430 --> 01:11:44,564
6332even a lawyer,
6333
63341403
633501:11:44,565 --> 01:11:48,368
6336would be a further violation
6337of the Official Secrets Act,
6338
63391404
634001:11:48,369 --> 01:11:51,671
6341which could result
6342in further prosecution
6343
63441405
634501:11:51,672 --> 01:11:54,546
6346and a much longer
6347prison sentence.
6348
63491406
635001:11:57,546 --> 01:12:00,184
6351We just wanted
6352you to be aware of that.
6353
63541407
635501:12:02,184 --> 01:12:06,519
6356So if I may not
6357talk to a lawyer,
6358who may I talk to?
6359
63601408
636101:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,288
6362You should talk to
6363your superiors at GCHQ.
6364
63651409
636601:12:09,289 --> 01:12:10,789
6367Are you fucking joking?
6368
63691410
637001:12:10,790 --> 01:12:12,859
6371Yas, please. Please.
6372
63731411
637401:12:12,860 --> 01:12:15,595
6375We should hear what
6376the detectives have to say.
6377
63781412
637901:12:15,596 --> 01:12:17,536
6380They're just doing their job.
6381
63821413
638301:12:20,536 --> 01:12:25,572
6384Simply put, if you wish
6385to tell anything to a lawyer
6386
63871414
638801:12:25,573 --> 01:12:28,409
6389or the press or anyone else...
6390
63911415
639201:12:29,409 --> 01:12:32,184
6393...you first need to
6394clear it with GCHQ.
6395
63961416
639701:12:36,184 --> 01:12:37,587
6398Detective...
6399
64001417
640101:12:38,587 --> 01:12:41,554
6402I leaked only one memo.
6403
64041418
640501:12:41,555 --> 01:12:42,889
6406I had good reason to do so
6407
64081419
640901:12:42,890 --> 01:12:46,193
6410and I intend to make
6411those reasons public
6412
64131420
641401:12:46,194 --> 01:12:48,764
6415if I am charged.
6416
64171421
641801:12:49,764 --> 01:12:51,898
6419I will not talk
6420to my lawyers again
6421
64221422
642301:12:51,899 --> 01:12:54,537
6424unless I am charged.
6425
64261423
642701:12:55,537 --> 01:12:57,545
6428Tell that to GCHQ.
6429
64301424
643101:13:03,545 --> 01:13:05,045
6432Are you grilling
6433or smoking that fish?
6434
64351425
643601:13:05,046 --> 01:13:08,148
6437I am smoking.
6438I've soaked the
6439wood chips in water.
6440
64411426
644201:13:08,149 --> 01:13:09,250
6443I've got charcoal.
6444
64451427
644601:13:09,251 --> 01:13:12,219
6447I'm... I'm trying
6448something new.
6449
64501428
645101:13:12,220 --> 01:13:13,220
6452Hi.
6453
64541429
645501:13:13,221 --> 01:13:14,889
6456Ken?
6457
64581430
645901:13:14,890 --> 01:13:16,890
6460Hi.
6461
64621431
646301:13:14,890 --> 01:13:16,322
6464Hi, Ken.
6465
64661432
646701:13:16,323 --> 01:13:19,323
6468Guess you're down here
6469for the weekend.
6470
64711433
647201:13:16,323 --> 01:13:19,292
6473Yes. Just for the night.
6474
64751434
647601:13:19,293 --> 01:13:20,827
6477Yeah, me too.
6478It's been a while.
6479
64801435
648101:13:20,828 --> 01:13:23,429
6482Mm-hmm. Would you, uh...
6483Do you want a drink?
6484
64851436
648601:13:23,430 --> 01:13:26,233
6487Uh, no, thanks.
6488Sally's cooking dinner.
6489
64901437
649101:13:26,234 --> 01:13:27,234
6492Hello, Anne.
6493
64941438
649501:13:27,235 --> 01:13:28,669
6496Hi.
6497
64981439
649901:13:28,670 --> 01:13:30,170
6500I'm so sorry to intrude.
6501
65021440
650301:13:30,171 --> 01:13:31,938
6504Oh, not at all.
6505
65061441
650701:13:31,939 --> 01:13:33,706
6508How's the new job?
6509
65101442
651101:13:33,707 --> 01:13:37,611
6512Well, it's, um, eye-opening.
6513
65141443
651501:13:37,612 --> 01:13:41,348
6516In fact, I wondered
6517if I might ask Ben's opinion
6518
65191444
652001:13:41,349 --> 01:13:44,952
6521about a new case
6522that my office has been
6523asked to prosecute.
6524
65251445
652601:13:44,953 --> 01:13:48,389
6527It won't take a minute.
6528Would you mind?
6529
65301446
653101:13:48,390 --> 01:13:50,390
6532How do you know that I met her?
6533
65341447
653501:13:50,391 --> 01:13:53,160
6536Security services
6537are all over this.
6538
65391448
654001:13:53,161 --> 01:13:54,394
6541Mm-hmm.
6542
65431449
654401:13:54,395 --> 01:13:56,296
6545And it's not just
6546a domestic embarrassment.
6547
65481450
654901:13:56,297 --> 01:13:57,665
6550The Americans are very unhappy.
6551
65521451
655301:13:57,666 --> 01:13:59,166
6554Oh, well, that is upsetting.
6555
65561452
655701:13:59,167 --> 01:14:02,437
6558Oh, come on, Ben,
6559it's not funny.
6560
65611453
656201:14:02,438 --> 01:14:05,471
6563What she did was
6564a deliberate act
6565of betrayal.
6566
65671454
656801:14:05,472 --> 01:14:07,773
6569Look, Ken, we're not
6570colleagues anymore.
6571
65721455
657301:14:07,774 --> 01:14:09,175
6574We're on different sides here.
6575
65761456
657701:14:09,176 --> 01:14:13,781
6578I think she wants
6579to be seen as some
6580sort of cause celebre.
6581
65821457
658301:14:13,782 --> 01:14:17,984
6584But she swore allegiance
6585to the intelligence services
6586
65871458
658801:14:17,985 --> 01:14:20,319
6589and when you do that
6590you don't get to
6591pick and choose
6592
65931459
659401:14:20,320 --> 01:14:21,621
6595what orders you'll follow.
6596
65971460
659801:14:21,622 --> 01:14:23,991
6599Following orders
6600is not a defense
6601to a war crime.
6602
66031461
660401:14:23,992 --> 01:14:28,228
6605Yes, but who is she
6606to undermine
6607the strategic objectives
6608
66091462
661001:14:28,229 --> 01:14:31,229
6611of a democratically-elected
6612Prime Minister.
6613
66141463
661501:14:31,198 --> 01:14:34,401
6616Oh, come on,
6617she's not selling
6618state secrets to Moscow.
6619
66201464
662101:14:34,402 --> 01:14:36,670
6622She exposed an illegal attempt
6623
66241465
662501:14:36,671 --> 01:14:38,006
6626to secure
6627a UN resolution for war
6628
66291466
663001:14:39,006 --> 01:14:40,773
6631which would have
6632given Blair perfect cover
6633
66341467
663501:14:40,774 --> 01:14:42,341
6636for the bloody mess
6637that we're in now.
6638
66391468
664001:14:42,342 --> 01:14:44,511
6641No, she should have
6642kept her mouth shut
6643
66441469
664501:14:44,512 --> 01:14:46,746
6646or complained to her superiors.
6647
66481470
664901:14:46,747 --> 01:14:48,314
6650Now I've got
6651a real problem with people
6652
66531471
665401:14:48,315 --> 01:14:50,416
6655who think that
6656from some lowly position
6657
66581472
665901:14:50,417 --> 01:14:52,086
6660they can possibly see
6661the big picture.
6662
66631473
666401:14:52,087 --> 01:14:53,886
6665So then you would
6666never question authority
6667
66681474
666901:14:53,887 --> 01:14:55,656
6670even if you knew
6671it was breaking the law.
6672
66731475
667401:14:55,657 --> 01:14:58,559
6675Ben, you can't blame me
6676for being angry with her.
6677
66781476
667901:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,926
6680We're at war.
6681
66821477
668301:14:59,927 --> 01:15:02,129
6684So, I'm going to assign
6685the best prosecutor
6686in my office
6687
66881478
668901:15:02,130 --> 01:15:04,598
6690to bring this girl down,
6691which shouldn't be difficult.
6692
66931479
669401:15:04,599 --> 01:15:05,666
6695She's already confessed.
6696
66971480
669801:15:05,667 --> 01:15:07,600
6699I appreciate your determination
6700
67011481
670201:15:07,601 --> 01:15:11,507
6703to make an example of her,
6704but you shouldn't be here.
6705
67061482
670701:15:13,507 --> 01:15:14,974
6708Oh, come on, we're friends.
6709
67101483
671101:15:14,975 --> 01:15:17,111
6712I'll make my position
6713perfectly clear.
6714
67151484
671601:15:17,112 --> 01:15:19,546
6717If you charge her,
6718then I will defend her
6719
67201485
672101:15:19,547 --> 01:15:21,751
6722to the best of my ability.
6723
67241486
672501:15:23,751 --> 01:15:24,984
6726So let's go home and pretend
6727
67281487
672901:15:24,985 --> 01:15:27,622
6730that this conversation
6731never happened.
6732
67331488
673401:16:00,622 --> 01:16:02,922
6735You're not working today?
6736
67371489
673801:16:02,923 --> 01:16:06,662
6739No. I have to sign in
6740at the station.
6741
67421490
674301:16:08,662 --> 01:16:10,662
6744Then we can go for a hike.
6745
67461491
674701:16:10,663 --> 01:16:12,644
6748I want to see the sea.
6749
67501492
675101:16:25,546 --> 01:16:26,546
6752Leave it.
6753
67541493
675501:16:33,121 --> 01:16:35,889
6756<i>Hi, we're not in.
6757Please leave a message.</i>
6758
67591494
676001:16:35,890 --> 01:16:39,526
6761<i>Katharine,
6762it's James Welch from Liberty.</i>
6763
67641495
676501:16:39,527 --> 01:16:41,295
6766<i>Uh, we should talk.</i>
6767
67681496
676901:16:41,296 --> 01:16:44,430
6770<i>Could give me a call
6771when you get the message?</i>
6772
67731497
677401:16:44,431 --> 01:16:46,133
6775Hello?
6776
67771498
677801:16:46,134 --> 01:16:48,868
6779<i>Oh, ah, Katharine.</i>
6780
67811499
678201:16:48,869 --> 01:16:51,837
6783<i>I'm afraid I have some bad news.</i>
6784
67851500
678601:16:51,838 --> 01:16:54,041
6787Uh, James, you know that
6788
67891501
679001:16:54,042 --> 01:16:56,041
6791GCHQ said I
6792couldn't talk to you.
6793
67941502
679501:16:56,042 --> 01:16:57,611
6796<i>Oh, then, well, the good news is</i>
6797
67981503
679901:16:57,612 --> 01:16:59,880
6800<i>we finally had
6801the gag order lifted.</i>
6802
68031504
680401:16:59,881 --> 01:17:01,281
6805<i>We've agreed to not
6806ask any questions</i>
6807
68081505
680901:17:01,282 --> 01:17:04,216
6810<i>about what other work
6811you did at GCHQ.</i>
6812
68131506
681401:17:04,217 --> 01:17:07,957
6815<i>But what happens going forward
6816isn't up to them.</i>
6817
68181507
681901:17:08,957 --> 01:17:10,157
6820<i>Your case is now in the hands</i>
6821
68221508
682301:17:10,158 --> 01:17:12,462
6824<i>of the Crown Prosecution
6825Service.</i>
6826
68271509
682801:17:15,462 --> 01:17:17,635
6829<i>They're going to charge you.</i>
6830
68311510
683201:17:20,635 --> 01:17:22,707
6833<i>We should meet next week.</i>
6834
68351511
683601:17:25,707 --> 01:17:27,707
6837<i>Katharine?</i>
6838
68391512
684001:17:25,707 --> 01:17:27,143
6841Yes. Uh...
6842
68431513
684401:17:29,143 --> 01:17:30,979
6845Okay. Yeah.
6846
68471514
684801:17:31,979 --> 01:17:34,413
6849<i>I know that this is
6850a lot to take in,</i>
6851
68521515
685301:17:34,414 --> 01:17:35,648
6854<i>but we will help you.</i>
6855
68561516
685701:17:35,649 --> 01:17:37,052
6858Thank you.
6859
68601517
686101:17:39,052 --> 01:17:40,052
6862<i>Okay.</i>
6863
68641518
686501:17:39,052 --> 01:17:40,720
6866Thank you very much, James.
6867
68681519
686901:17:40,721 --> 01:17:41,721
6870<i>Speak soon.</i>
6871
68721520
687301:17:47,028 --> 01:17:50,096
6874"GCHQ whistleblower charged."
6875
68761521
687701:17:50,097 --> 01:17:51,465
6878"Traitor or spy?"
6879
68801522
688101:17:51,466 --> 01:17:52,867
6882"Spy speaks out."
6883
68841523
688501:17:52,868 --> 01:17:54,734
6886"The spy who wouldn't
6887keep a secret."
6888
68891524
689001:17:54,735 --> 01:17:57,270
6891"Who is Katharine Gun?"
6892
68931525
689401:17:57,271 --> 01:17:59,872
6895"Leak against this war."
6896
68971526
689801:17:59,873 --> 01:18:01,841
6899She's everywhere.
6900
69011527
690201:18:01,842 --> 01:18:03,011
6903What's your angle?
6904
69051528
690601:18:04,011 --> 01:18:05,515
6907Look.
6908
69091529
691001:18:06,515 --> 01:18:08,247
6911"Katharine Gun faces jail
6912for exposing
6913
69141530
691501:18:08,248 --> 01:18:10,451
6916"American corruption
6917in the run-up to war.
6918
69191531
692001:18:10,452 --> 01:18:12,752
6921"Now her
6922celebrity supporters insist
6923
69241532
692501:18:12,753 --> 01:18:15,121
6926"it is Bush and Blair
6927who should be in the dock."
6928
69291533
693001:18:15,122 --> 01:18:16,122
6931Celebrity supporters?
6932
69331534
693401:18:16,123 --> 01:18:17,124
6935Mm.
6936
69371535
693801:18:17,125 --> 01:18:19,091
6939Little tabloidy,
6940don't you think?
6941
69421536
694301:18:19,092 --> 01:18:21,961
6944Hey, we're building awareness.
6945How about Daniel Ellsberg?
6946
69471537
694801:18:21,962 --> 01:18:23,831
6949He leaked the Pentagon Papers.
6950
69511538
695201:18:23,832 --> 01:18:25,465
6953I know who Ellsberg is, Martin.
6954
69551539
695601:18:25,466 --> 01:18:27,033
6957Of course you do.
6958Forgive me.
6959
69601540
696101:18:27,034 --> 01:18:30,403
6962Well, Ellsberg
6963described it as...
6964
69651541
696601:18:30,404 --> 01:18:32,524
6967"The most important
6968and courageous leak
6969I've ever seen.
6970
69711542
697201:18:33,006 --> 01:18:34,642
6973"No one else has ever done
6974what she did.
6975
69761543
697701:18:34,643 --> 01:18:36,911
6978"Tell secret truths
6979at personal risks
6980
69811544
698201:18:36,912 --> 01:18:40,813
6983"before an imminent war,
6984in time, possibly,
6985to avert it."
6986
69871545
698801:18:40,814 --> 01:18:43,425
6989Okay, that's classy.
6990
69911546
699201:18:50,425 --> 01:18:51,448
6993I'll be quick.
6994
69951547
699601:19:17,519 --> 01:19:19,051
6997Are you waiting
6998for the tall man?
6999
70001548
700101:19:19,052 --> 01:19:20,052
7002The dark-haired one?
7003
70041549
700501:19:19,052 --> 01:19:20,955
7006Yeah.
7007
70081550
700901:19:20,956 --> 01:19:23,355
7010He was shouting
7011that his wife was outside.
7012
70131551
701401:19:23,356 --> 01:19:24,356
7015They took him.
7016
70171552
701801:19:23,356 --> 01:19:24,858
7019What?
7020
70211553
702201:19:24,859 --> 01:19:26,238
7023They took him.
7024
70251554
702601:19:37,238 --> 01:19:38,105
7027Where is he?
7028
70291555
703001:19:38,106 --> 01:19:39,839
7031Sorry. Who are you?
7032
70331556
703401:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,774
7035I'm Yasar Gun's wife.
7036Where's my husband?
7037
70381557
703901:19:41,775 --> 01:19:45,081
7040I'm sorry, ma'am.
7041He's scheduled
7042for deportation.
7043
70441558
704501:19:46,081 --> 01:19:46,081
7046What?
7047
70481559
704901:19:46,947 --> 01:19:48,747
7050No. No, no. Uh, no, no.
7051
70521560
705301:19:48,748 --> 01:19:50,548
7054Look, look, there's been
7055some sort of mistake.
7056
70571561
705801:19:51,019 --> 01:19:52,986
7059I need to see my husband
7060right now.
7061
70621562
706301:19:52,987 --> 01:19:54,890
7064I'm afraid that's not possible.
7065
70661563
706701:19:55,890 --> 01:19:57,624
7068You can't go in there!
7069
70701564
707101:19:57,625 --> 01:19:59,559
7072Please. Please,
7073please, please, please.
7074
70751565
707601:19:59,560 --> 01:20:00,926
7077Let me see him, please.
7078
70791566
708001:20:00,927 --> 01:20:02,129
7081Please, he doesn't
7082have anything with him.
7083
70841567
708501:20:02,130 --> 01:20:03,429
7086He doesn't even have any money.
7087
70881568
708901:20:03,430 --> 01:20:06,398
7090I'm sorry.
7091They've already taken him.
7092
70931569
709401:20:06,399 --> 01:20:08,468
7095<i> No, no.
7096They won't say where.</i>
7097
70981570
709901:20:08,469 --> 01:20:10,569
7100I don't know. Oh, God, James,
7101I don't know what to do.
7102
71031571
710401:20:10,570 --> 01:20:13,172
7105<i> Katharine,
7106I'm so sorry.
7107I'm at the Hague.</i>
7108
71091572
711001:20:13,173 --> 01:20:14,173
7111<i>Who's your MP?</i>
7112
71131573
711401:20:13,173 --> 01:20:14,974
7115I don't know.
7116
71171574
711801:20:14,975 --> 01:20:16,975
7119<i>Is it Nigel Jones?</i>
7120
71211575
712201:20:14,975 --> 01:20:16,876
7123Nigel Jones, yes. Yeah.
7124
71251576
712601:20:16,877 --> 01:20:18,112
7127<i>Do you have
7128your marriage certificate?</i>
7129
71301577
713101:20:18,113 --> 01:20:19,113
7132Uh, yeah, yeah, somewhere.
7133
71341578
713501:20:18,113 --> 01:20:19,645
7136<i>Right.</i>
7137
71381579
713901:20:19,646 --> 01:20:22,181
7140<i>Find it and
7141I'll track Nigel down.</i>
7142
71431580
714401:20:22,182 --> 01:20:23,450
7145Of course they're
7146legally married,
7147Beverly.
7148
71491581
715001:20:23,451 --> 01:20:25,318
7151I'm holding their
7152marriage certificate.
7153
71541582
715501:20:25,319 --> 01:20:26,553
7156<i> I'm sorry,
7157but his application</i>
7158
71591583
716001:20:26,554 --> 01:20:28,554
7161<i>to remain in this country
7162has been denied.</i>
7163
71641584
716501:20:28,555 --> 01:20:29,656
7166Mistakenly.
7167
71681585
716901:20:29,657 --> 01:20:31,157
7170He's complied
7171with every directive
7172
71731586
717401:20:31,158 --> 01:20:32,259
7175your department's issued.
7176
71771587
717801:20:32,260 --> 01:20:34,193
7179<i>Nigel, your constituent
7180is accused</i>
7181
71821588
718301:20:34,194 --> 01:20:35,627
7184<i>of betraying her country.</i>
7185
71861589
718701:20:35,628 --> 01:20:37,697
7188<i>Do you really think we should
7189be helping her husband?</i>
7190
71911590
719201:20:37,698 --> 01:20:40,501
7193I think deporting her husband
7194when she's facing a trial
7195
71961591
719701:20:40,502 --> 01:20:43,073
7198looks like state bullying.
7199
72001592
720101:20:46,073 --> 01:20:48,774
7202<i>All right,
7203I'll review his paperwork.</i>
7204
72051593
720601:20:48,775 --> 01:20:50,411
7207Thank you.
7208
72091594
721001:20:50,412 --> 01:20:53,412
7211And please make sure
7212he's not flown out tonight.
7213
72141595
721501:20:55,182 --> 01:20:57,651
7216I'm sorry.
7217Best I can do for now.
7218
72191596
722001:20:57,652 --> 01:21:00,819
7221I promise I will pick this up
7222first thing tomorrow.
7223
72241597
722501:21:00,820 --> 01:21:02,456
7226Hello?
7227
72281598
722901:21:02,457 --> 01:21:04,617
7230<i> We tracked him
7231to Harmondsworth
7232Detention Center.</i>
7233
72341599
723501:21:05,025 --> 01:21:07,461
7236<i>It's a deportation center
7237at Heathrow Airport</i>
7238
72391600
724001:21:07,462 --> 01:21:09,261
7241<i>right off the M-25.</i>
7242
72431601
724401:21:09,262 --> 01:21:11,197
7245<i>Go to the main gate
7246and wait there.</i>
7247
72481602
724901:21:11,198 --> 01:21:12,599
7250<i> Uh, are they
7251gonna release him?</i>
7252
72531603
725401:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,102
7255<i> We have ministerial
7256approval but no paperwork yet.</i>
7257
72581604
725901:21:15,103 --> 01:21:16,736
7260<i>There is a possibility</i>
7261
72621605
726301:21:16,737 --> 01:21:18,938
7264<i>he's already
7265been put on a plane.</i>
7266
72671606
726801:21:18,939 --> 01:21:20,939
7269What?
7270
72711607
727201:21:18,939 --> 01:21:20,306
7273<i>Yeah, I'm checking.</i>
7274
72751608
727601:21:20,307 --> 01:21:21,974
7277<i>Just get there
7278as soon as you can.</i>
7279
72801609
728101:21:21,975 --> 01:21:25,981
7282Out you go.
7283Let's go. Move it.
7284
72851610
728601:21:27,981 --> 01:21:30,183
7287This is a mistake, sir.
7288
72891611
729001:21:30,184 --> 01:21:31,184
7291This is a mistake.
7292
72931612
729401:21:31,185 --> 01:21:32,587
7295Come on.
7296
72971613
729801:21:33,587 --> 01:21:35,589
7299Please.
7300
73011614
730201:21:35,590 --> 01:21:38,327
7303I need to call my wife.
7304I must call my wife!
7305
73061615
730701:22:04,719 --> 01:22:05,719
7308Next in line.
7309
73101616
731101:22:29,443 --> 01:22:30,814
7312Hello?
7313
73141617
731501:22:35,617 --> 01:22:36,621
7316Hello?
7317
73181618
731901:22:44,759 --> 01:22:45,860
7320Yeah?
7321
73221619
732301:22:46,860 --> 01:22:48,461
7324James, James, um,
7325
73261620
732701:22:48,462 --> 01:22:50,897
7328I don't know if I'm
7329even at the right place.
7330
73311621
733201:22:50,898 --> 01:22:52,933
7333Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know,
7334but it's 4:00 a.m.
7335
73361622
733701:22:52,934 --> 01:22:55,401
7338There's nobody to talk to.
7339
73401623
734101:22:55,402 --> 01:22:58,774
7342Wait, wait.
7343Someone's coming. Wait.
7344
73451624
734601:22:59,774 --> 01:23:01,310
7347Oh, my God.
7348Oh, my God.
7349
73501625
735101:23:03,310 --> 01:23:05,178
7352I'm so sorry.
7353I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
7354
73551626
735601:23:05,179 --> 01:23:06,179
7357It's all right.
7358
73591627
736001:23:05,179 --> 01:23:06,345
7361You okay?
7362
73631628
736401:23:06,346 --> 01:23:07,346
7365I'm okay.
7366
73671629
736801:23:06,346 --> 01:23:07,413
7369Are you okay?
7370
73711630
737201:23:07,414 --> 01:23:08,414
7373You're okay?
7374
73751631
737601:23:08,415 --> 01:23:09,457
7377Yeah, yeah.
7378
73791632
738001:23:16,457 --> 01:23:17,924
7381If they try and pull
7382anything like that again,
7383
73841633
738501:23:17,925 --> 01:23:18,925
7386then I want to go public.
7387
73881634
738901:23:19,025 --> 01:23:20,025
7390Not a good idea.
7391
73921635
739301:23:19,025 --> 01:23:20,559
7394Why not?
7395
73961636
739701:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,961
7398Because people are fickle.
7399Many will hate you.
7400
74011637
740201:23:22,962 --> 01:23:24,797
7403Your personal lives
7404will be picked apart,
7405
74061638
740701:23:24,798 --> 01:23:26,398
7408your marriage
7409will be interrogated.
7410
74111639
741201:23:26,399 --> 01:23:28,268
7413In fact, we think
7414it will be best
7415
74161640
741701:23:28,269 --> 01:23:31,203
7418if Yasar was kept
7419well out of this.
7420
74211641
742201:23:31,204 --> 01:23:33,141
7423You should probably
7424not attend the trial.
7425
74261642
742701:23:35,141 --> 01:23:36,141
7428I understand.
7429
74301643
743101:23:36,142 --> 01:23:37,977
7432What? No.
7433
74341644
743501:23:37,978 --> 01:23:40,145
7436<i>Janum,</i> we both know
7437the jury will prefer
7438
74391645
744001:23:40,146 --> 01:23:41,880
7441an English girl without
7442an immigrant husband.
7443
74441646
744501:23:41,881 --> 01:23:43,215
7446You know what?
7447That is ridiculous.
7448
74491647
745001:23:43,216 --> 01:23:45,652
7451We are married and we have
7452nothing to be ashamed of.
7453
74541648
745501:23:45,653 --> 01:23:47,420
7456The shame is on them, not you.
7457
74581649
745901:23:47,421 --> 01:23:51,325
7460You don't need to risk
7461your freedom to prove it.
7462
74631650
746401:23:51,326 --> 01:23:54,126
7465We should discuss
7466how you'll plead.
7467
74681651
746901:23:54,127 --> 01:23:55,327
7470Not guilty.
7471
74721652
747301:23:55,328 --> 01:23:57,430
7474But you understand
7475you confessed.
7476
74771653
747801:23:57,431 --> 01:24:00,901
7479I confessed that
7480I leaked a memo in order
7481to try and save lives.
7482
74831654
748401:24:00,902 --> 01:24:05,505
7485And we will use that argument
7486to ask for a reduced sentence.
7487
74881655
748901:24:05,506 --> 01:24:08,474
7490If you do plead guilty,
7491there will be no jury.
7492
74931656
749401:24:08,475 --> 01:24:10,844
7495You could be out of jail
7496in less than six months.
7497
74981657
749901:24:10,845 --> 01:24:12,478
7500Given how badly
7501the war is going,
7502
75031658
750401:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,880
7505we think a judge
7506is likely to be sympathetic.
7507
75081659
750901:24:14,881 --> 01:24:17,216
7510But I'd have a criminal record.
7511
75121660
751301:24:17,217 --> 01:24:18,550
7514That is true.
7515
75161661
751701:24:18,551 --> 01:24:21,188
7518Which I would carry with me
7519for the rest of my life
7520
75211662
752201:24:21,189 --> 01:24:22,788
7523into every job interview,
7524
75251663
752601:24:22,789 --> 01:24:23,956
7527every application for credit.
7528
75291664
753001:24:23,957 --> 01:24:25,957
7531Yes.
7532
75331665
753401:24:23,957 --> 01:24:25,858
7535And I'm sorry.
7536
75371666
753801:24:25,859 --> 01:24:28,594
7539We would be conceding
7540
75411667
754201:24:28,595 --> 01:24:31,864
7543that no one in Intelligence
7544can ever tell
7545the British people
7546
75471668
754801:24:31,865 --> 01:24:33,567
7549when their government is lying.
7550
75511669
755201:24:33,568 --> 01:24:35,035
7553Not when
7554the lies are protected
7555
75561670
755701:24:35,036 --> 01:24:37,403
7558by the Official Secrets Act, no.
7559
75601671
756101:24:37,404 --> 01:24:38,737
7562I'm sorry.
7563This is all a charade.
7564
75651672
756601:24:38,738 --> 01:24:40,573
7567I mean, if you're saying
7568that I have to plead guilty
7569
75701673
757101:24:40,574 --> 01:24:43,343
7572because the act allows
7573absolutely no defense
7574whatsoever,
7575
75761674
757701:24:43,344 --> 01:24:45,746
7578then the very idea
7579of a fair trial is a joke.
7580
75811675
758201:24:45,747 --> 01:24:47,480
7583I'm sorry, Katharine,
7584
75851676
758601:24:47,481 --> 01:24:51,484
7587but the best we can do
7588is ask a judge
7589for leniency.
7590
75911677
759201:24:51,485 --> 01:24:54,252
7593Post<i> Belgrano,</i> there
7594really is no defense
7595
75961678
759701:24:54,253 --> 01:24:55,788
7598to a breach of
7599the Official Secrets Act...
7600
76011679
760201:24:55,789 --> 01:24:57,659
7603Except perhaps one.
7604
76051680
760601:24:58,659 --> 01:25:00,294
7607Katharine said it herself.
7608
76091681
761001:25:00,295 --> 01:25:02,996
7611She leaked the memo
7612to try to save lives.
7613
76141682
761501:25:02,997 --> 01:25:04,429
7616But she still broke the law.
7617
76181683
761901:25:04,430 --> 01:25:06,733
7620Yes, but there are
7621circumstances where
7622you can break the law.
7623
76241684
762501:25:06,734 --> 01:25:09,536
7626It's only in situations
7627of absolute necessity...
7628
76291685
763001:25:09,537 --> 01:25:11,537
7631Necessity. Exactly.
7632
76331686
763401:25:09,537 --> 01:25:11,006
7635Ben, you're reaching.
7636
76371687
763801:25:12,006 --> 01:25:15,309
7639Am I? What are
7640the requirements for
7641a defense of necessity?
7642
76431688
764401:25:15,310 --> 01:25:17,344
7645Imminent threat to your life
7646or the lives of others.
7647
76481689
764901:25:17,345 --> 01:25:19,947
7650Yeah, and no other reasonable
7651way to prevent loss of life.
7652
76531690
765401:25:19,948 --> 01:25:21,514
7655Yes, right, well,
7656the invasion posed
7657
76581691
765901:25:21,515 --> 01:25:23,616
7660an imminent threat
7661to thousands of lives.
7662
76631692
766401:25:23,617 --> 01:25:25,551
7665Katharine has no right
7666to try and prevent a war
7667
76681693
766901:25:25,552 --> 01:25:26,819
7670authorized by
7671the Attorney General.
7672
76731694
767401:25:26,820 --> 01:25:28,820
7675Unless the war is illegal.
7676
76771695
767801:25:28,821 --> 01:25:30,189
7679What?
7680
76811696
768201:25:30,190 --> 01:25:33,425
7683Wait, wait, so now we're going
7684to put the war on trial?
7685
76861697
768701:25:33,426 --> 01:25:34,594
7688Yes.
7689
76901698
769101:25:34,595 --> 01:25:39,064
7692I believe that Katharine Gun
7693tried to stop an illegal war.
7694
76951699
769601:25:39,065 --> 01:25:40,767
7697What she did was necessary
7698
76991700
770001:25:40,768 --> 01:25:44,136
7701to try to save
7702thousands of British-American
7703and Iraqi lives.
7704
77051701
770601:25:44,137 --> 01:25:47,239
7707And Goldsmith
7708specifically stated
7709
77101702
771101:25:47,240 --> 01:25:48,741
7712that the invasion was legal.
7713
77141703
771501:25:48,742 --> 01:25:51,611
7716He said so only three days
7717before the invasion.
7718
77191704
772001:25:51,612 --> 01:25:52,932
7721What was his position
7722before that?
7723
77241705
772501:25:53,014 --> 01:25:55,782
7726What was his advice
7727at the time Katharine
7728leaked the memo?
7729
77301706
773101:25:55,783 --> 01:25:57,783
7732Well, we have no idea.
7733
77341707
773501:25:55,783 --> 01:25:57,649
7736Well, I'd like to find out.
7737
77381708
773901:25:57,650 --> 01:25:59,285
7740Because Blair spent
7741a lot of energy
7742
77431709
774401:25:59,286 --> 01:26:01,888
7745trying to secure
7746a new UN resolution.
7747
77481710
774901:26:01,889 --> 01:26:03,122
7750I suppose.
7751
77521711
775301:26:03,123 --> 01:26:05,291
7754When Lord Goldsmith finally said
7755
77561712
775701:26:05,292 --> 01:26:08,862
7758the war was legal,
7759his deputy legal advisor
7760resigned.
7761
77621713
776301:26:08,863 --> 01:26:10,662
7764Yes, Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
7765Yeah, that's right.
7766
77671714
776801:26:10,663 --> 01:26:12,663
7769She resigned. Yes, yes.
7770
77711715
777201:26:10,663 --> 01:26:12,197
7773But she didn't say why.
7774
77751716
777601:26:12,198 --> 01:26:13,733
7777She couldn't.
7778
77791717
778001:26:13,734 --> 01:26:15,702
7781If she did,
7782she'd be charged under
7783the Official Secrets Act.
7784
77851718
778601:26:15,703 --> 01:26:17,903
7787So I need to get a meeting
7788with Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
7789
77901719
779101:26:17,904 --> 01:26:19,904
7792She's not gonna go public.
7793
77941720
779501:26:17,904 --> 01:26:19,872
7796She doesn't have to.
7797
77981721
779901:26:19,873 --> 01:26:21,107
7800All we need is a hint
7801
78021722
780301:26:21,108 --> 01:26:23,943
7804that Goldsmith
7805changed his mind
7806about the legality of the war.
7807
78081723
780901:26:23,944 --> 01:26:27,880
7810I'm sorry, Ben.
7811There are two ways
7812they could justify war.
7813
78141724
781501:26:27,881 --> 01:26:30,881
7816We've only addressed one.
7817
78181725
781901:26:27,881 --> 01:26:30,148
7820So what am I missing?
7821
78221726
782301:26:30,149 --> 01:26:31,149
7824Self-defense.
7825
78261727
782701:26:30,149 --> 01:26:31,617
7828Oh, come on.
7829
78301728
783101:26:31,618 --> 01:26:33,553
7832Does anyone honestly believe
7833that this country
7834
78351729
783601:26:33,554 --> 01:26:35,322
7837was about to be attacked
7838by Iraq?
7839
78401730
784101:26:35,323 --> 01:26:37,624
7842I do agree, but that's why
7843they trotted out Powell.
7844
78451731
784601:26:37,625 --> 01:26:39,625
7847To make the case for WMDs.
7848
78491732
785001:26:37,625 --> 01:26:39,858
7851Oh.
7852
78531733
785401:26:39,859 --> 01:26:41,661
7855If it's true that Iraq
7856has weapons of
7857mass destruction
7858
78591734
786001:26:41,662 --> 01:26:44,296
7861that pose an imminent threat
7862to this country,
7863
78641735
786501:26:44,297 --> 01:26:48,268
7866the war is legal
7867without a UN resolution.
7868
78691736
787001:26:48,269 --> 01:26:49,602
7871How many people actually believe
7872
78731737
787401:26:49,603 --> 01:26:51,504
7875Iraq still has weapons
7876of mass destruction?
7877
78781738
787901:26:51,505 --> 01:26:52,973
7880Well,
7881they're still looking.
7882
78831739
788401:26:52,974 --> 01:26:56,613
7885If we go down this route,
7886we better pray
7887none are found.
7888
78891740
789001:26:58,613 --> 01:27:01,885
7891I'm gonna get
7892Elizabeth Wilmshurst's number.
7893
78941741
789501:27:03,885 --> 01:27:06,586
7896You've put me
7897in a rather awkward position.
7898
78991742
790001:27:06,587 --> 01:27:10,656
7901I'm sorry, but thank you
7902for seeing me.
7903
79041743
790501:27:10,657 --> 01:27:13,725
7906I think what she did
7907took great courage.
7908
79091744
791001:27:13,726 --> 01:27:17,563
7911And she was naive,
7912of course, but brave.
7913
79141745
791501:27:17,564 --> 01:27:20,170
7916And you were
7917brave enough to resign.
7918
79191746
792001:27:23,170 --> 01:27:26,339
7921But not to speak out in public.
7922
79231747
792401:27:26,340 --> 01:27:29,742
7925If I had, I might have caused
7926more of a brouhaha.
7927
79281748
792901:27:29,743 --> 01:27:31,611
7930Sparked a proper debate.
7931
79321749
793301:27:31,612 --> 01:27:35,020
7934Can I ask you, uh,
7935how did you resign?
7936
79371750
793801:27:40,020 --> 01:27:41,756
7939I wrote a letter.
7940
79411751
794201:27:42,756 --> 01:27:45,892
7943And in that letter,
7944did you give
7945a reason
7946
79471752
794801:27:45,893 --> 01:27:47,926
7949for your resignation?
7950
79511753
795201:27:47,927 --> 01:27:51,264
7953I restated my position
7954on the legality
7955of going to war.
7956
79571754
795801:27:51,265 --> 01:27:53,131
7959Which was?
7960
79611755
796201:27:53,132 --> 01:27:55,501
7963That it would
7964not be lawful to use force
7965
79661756
796701:27:55,502 --> 01:27:58,871
7968without a new
7969Security Council resolution.
7970
79711757
797201:27:58,872 --> 01:28:03,810
7973Um, did Goldsmith initially
7974support your view?
7975
79761758
797701:28:04,810 --> 01:28:06,580
7978He did.
7979
79801759
798101:28:06,581 --> 01:28:08,814
7982He told Blair that
7983if military action were taken,
7984
79851760
798601:28:08,815 --> 01:28:10,983
7987he expected
7988the government to be accused
7989
79901761
799101:28:10,984 --> 01:28:13,021
7992of acting unlawfully.
7993
79941762
799501:28:15,021 --> 01:28:17,792
7996And was that a written opinion?
7997
79981763
799901:28:18,792 --> 01:28:20,729
8000It was a detailed
8001advisory document.
8002
80031764
800401:28:22,729 --> 01:28:26,064
8005Right, so then would that
8006have been his position
8007
80081765
800901:28:26,065 --> 01:28:29,202
8010at the time that Katharine Gun
8011printed the Koza memo
8012
80131766
801401:28:29,203 --> 01:28:30,240
8015on February 3?
8016
80171767
801801:28:33,240 --> 01:28:34,676
8019Yes.
8020
80211768
802201:28:36,676 --> 01:28:38,646
8023And then he went to Washington.
8024
80251769
802601:28:39,646 --> 01:28:41,081
8027Oh, really?
8028
80291770
803001:28:41,082 --> 01:28:43,082
8031Well, who did he meet there?
8032
80331771
803401:28:43,083 --> 01:28:45,854
8035I wasn't given details.
8036
80371772
803801:28:46,854 --> 01:28:50,523
8039But after that trip,
8040his opinion changed.
8041
80421773
804301:28:50,524 --> 01:28:53,660
8044In nine short paragraphs,
8045he said that
8046
80471774
804801:28:53,661 --> 01:28:57,229
8049the UN's authorization
8050for the 1991 Gulf War
8051
80521775
805301:28:57,230 --> 01:28:59,666
8054could be reactivated
8055
80561776
805701:28:59,667 --> 01:29:02,102
8058to legitimize
8059a new war with Iraq.
8060
80611777
806201:29:02,103 --> 01:29:05,403
8063He told the Prime Minister
8064what he wanted to hear?
8065
80661778
806701:29:05,404 --> 01:29:07,540
8068At best, he was
8069persuaded to support
8070
80711779
807201:29:07,541 --> 01:29:10,175
8073a really fringe point of view.
8074
80751780
807601:29:10,176 --> 01:29:11,676
8077Oh, really fringe.
8078
80791781
808001:29:11,677 --> 01:29:13,345
8081Yeah.
8082
80831782
808401:29:19,118 --> 01:29:20,118
8085Martin Bright.
8086
80871783
808801:29:19,118 --> 01:29:20,819
8089Martin.
8090
80911784
809201:29:20,820 --> 01:29:22,820
8093Ben.
8094
80951785
809601:29:20,820 --> 01:29:22,121
8097<i>Ben.</i>
8098
80991786
810001:29:22,122 --> 01:29:23,555
8101I took
8102your whistleblower's case.
8103
81041787
810501:29:23,556 --> 01:29:25,992
8106Yes, I heard.
8107Can I meet her?
8108
81091788
811001:29:25,993 --> 01:29:28,461
8111No, not yet, Martin.
8112I don't want a media frenzy.
8113
81141789
811501:29:28,462 --> 01:29:29,763
8116Okay. When she's ready.
8117
81181790
811901:29:29,764 --> 01:29:31,997
8120Before some hack
8121tracks her down.
8122
81231791
812401:29:31,998 --> 01:29:34,233
8125Come on, Ben,
8126I broke her story.
8127I'm on her side.
8128
81291792
813001:29:34,234 --> 01:29:35,935
8131Well, you can help
8132by finding out
8133
81341793
813501:29:35,936 --> 01:29:38,504
8136why the Attorney General
8137went to Washington
8138
81391794
814001:29:38,505 --> 01:29:40,372
8141<i>just before the war started.</i>
8142
81431795
814401:29:40,373 --> 01:29:42,876
8145Wait, Goldsmith went to DC?
8146
81471796
814801:29:42,877 --> 01:29:44,577
8149<i>I'd like to know
8150who he met there.</i>
8151
81521797
815301:29:44,578 --> 01:29:45,745
8154<i>Right. I'm on it.</i>
8155
81561798
815701:29:45,746 --> 01:29:48,746
8158And how is Peter?
8159
81601799
816101:29:45,746 --> 01:29:48,180
8162Peter is in Iraq.
8163
81641800
816501:29:48,181 --> 01:29:50,483
8166Yeah, yeah, I know.
8167I've been reading
8168his articles.
8169
81701801
817101:29:50,484 --> 01:29:52,751
8172Listen, if he hears anything,
8173even a hint
8174
81751802
817601:29:52,752 --> 01:29:55,988
8177that Saddam really did have
8178weapons of mass destruction,
8179
81801803
818101:29:55,989 --> 01:29:57,157
8182<i>then please call me.</i>
8183
81841804
818501:29:57,158 --> 01:29:59,291
8186Of course. Can I ask why?
8187
81881805
818901:29:59,292 --> 01:30:01,260
8190Well, let's just say
8191that if WMD are found,
8192
81931806
819401:30:01,261 --> 01:30:04,563
8195then defending Katharine
8196will be a little more
8197complicated.
8198
81991807
820001:30:04,564 --> 01:30:06,564
8201I'll get back to you.
8202
82031808
820401:30:04,564 --> 01:30:06,398
8205<i>All right, thank you.</i>
8206
82071809
820801:30:06,399 --> 01:30:07,935
8209Okay. Thank you. Bye.
8210
82111810
821201:30:09,805 --> 01:30:11,636
8213There's thousands
8214of inspectors here
8215
82161811
821701:30:11,637 --> 01:30:13,840
8218from the US Army,
8219the British Army
8220
82211812
822201:30:13,841 --> 01:30:15,474
8223the CIA, FBI.
8224
82251813
822601:30:15,475 --> 01:30:16,876
8227<i> And still nothing?</i>
8228
82291814
823001:30:16,877 --> 01:30:20,211
8231No, no, not a fucking thing.
8232Nothing.
8233
82341815
823501:30:20,212 --> 01:30:23,081
8236Anyway, some Polish troops
8237found a cache of
8238Sarin gas warheads
8239
82401816
824101:30:23,082 --> 01:30:25,585
8242dating back
8243to the Iran-Iraq War,
8244but they were all empty.
8245
82461817
824701:30:25,586 --> 01:30:27,319
8248<i>And right now, I'm standing
8249in a glass factory</i>
8250
82511818
825201:30:27,320 --> 01:30:31,728
8253and all they've found is piles
8254of silica sand and soda ash.
8255
82561819
825701:30:33,728 --> 01:30:34,628
8258So, yeah.
8259
82601820
826101:30:34,629 --> 01:30:36,563
8262<i>Things must be getting ugly
8263in Washington.</i>
8264
82651821
826601:30:36,564 --> 01:30:38,764
8267Well, you should talk to Ed.
8268
82691822
827001:30:38,765 --> 01:30:41,166
8271Maybe we could end up doing
8272a joint piece or something.
8273
82741823
827501:30:42,869 --> 01:30:45,869
8276Peter, what was that?
8277
82781824
827901:30:42,869 --> 01:30:45,304
8280<i>No, no, no.</i>
8281
82821825
828301:30:45,305 --> 01:30:47,806
8284It's just our guys detonating
8285some conventional ordnance.
8286
82871826
828801:30:47,807 --> 01:30:49,807
8289They don't wanna have...
8290
82911827
829201:30:47,807 --> 01:30:49,408
8293<i>Jesus.</i>
8294
82951828
829601:30:49,409 --> 01:30:52,211
8297...kids finding unexploded
8298shit in the rubble.
8299
83001829
830101:30:52,212 --> 01:30:54,680
8302All right, talk soon.
8303Take care.
8304
83051830
830601:30:54,681 --> 01:30:56,181
8307Yeah, all right, mate. Bye.
8308
83091831
831001:30:57,618 --> 01:30:58,618
8311February 11.
8312
83131832
831401:30:58,619 --> 01:30:59,986
8315<i> What?</i>
8316
83171833
831801:30:59,987 --> 01:31:02,822
8319<i> Goldsmith's in DC
8320meeting with the attorneys</i>
8321
83221834
832301:31:02,823 --> 01:31:04,991
8324for Bush, Powell,
8325Rumsfeld and Rice.
8326
83271835
832801:31:04,992 --> 01:31:06,992
8329<i>Okay, hold on...</i>
8330
83311836
833201:31:04,992 --> 01:31:06,152
8333But that's not the big story.
8334
83351837
833601:31:07,027 --> 01:31:10,429
8337<i>The really big story is the OSP.</i>
8338
83391838
834001:31:10,430 --> 01:31:11,997
8341The Office of Special Plans.
8342
83431839
834401:31:11,998 --> 01:31:14,532
8345Turns out when
8346Bush wasn't getting
8347the intelligence he wanted,
8348
83491840
835001:31:14,533 --> 01:31:17,370
8351Rumsfeld bypassed the CIA
8352
83531841
835401:31:17,371 --> 01:31:19,772
8355<i>and set up his own
8356intelligence unit.</i>
8357
83581842
835901:31:19,773 --> 01:31:22,073
8360They fed
8361raw unvetted intelligence
8362
83631843
836401:31:22,074 --> 01:31:25,577
8365to Bush and Powell
8366who lied us into a war!
8367
83681844
836901:31:25,578 --> 01:31:27,279
8370Yeah. Okay, Ed.
8371I appreciate that.
8372
83731845
837401:31:27,280 --> 01:31:28,715
8375But let's, first, try and help
8376
83771846
837801:31:28,716 --> 01:31:30,549
8379a young woman
8380stay out of prison.
8381
83821847
838301:31:30,550 --> 01:31:32,751
8384Uh, you said Goldsmith
8385met Bush's lawyers
8386
83871848
838801:31:32,752 --> 01:31:34,821
8389on February 11.
8390Who were those lawyers?
8391
83921849
839301:31:34,822 --> 01:31:36,688
8394"John Ashcroft,
8395Alberto Gonzales,
8396
83971850
839801:31:36,689 --> 01:31:39,826
8399William Taft, Jim Haynes,
8400John Bellinger."
8401
84021851
840301:31:39,827 --> 01:31:42,029
8404The attorneys for Bush,
8405Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice.
8406
84071852
840801:31:43,029 --> 01:31:45,797
8409Wow. They really
8410turned up the heat.
8411
84121853
841301:31:45,798 --> 01:31:48,800
8414You know, I almost
8415feel sorry for Goldsmith.
8416
84171854
841801:31:48,801 --> 01:31:52,103
8419Don't. He fucking caved when
8420his country needed him most.
8421
84221855
842301:31:52,104 --> 01:31:54,104
8424That's a great headline, mate.
8425
84261856
842701:31:52,104 --> 01:31:54,474
8428<i>It bloody is.</i>
8429
84301857
843101:31:54,475 --> 01:31:56,475
8432All right.
8433
84341858
843501:31:54,475 --> 01:31:56,076
8436<i>Print it.</i>
8437
84381859
843901:31:56,077 --> 01:31:58,077
8440Yeah. Bye.
8441
84421860
844301:31:56,077 --> 01:31:58,044
8444<i>We'll share the byline.</i>
8445
84461861
844701:31:58,045 --> 01:31:59,478
8448Bye.
8449
84501862
845101:31:59,479 --> 01:32:00,813
8452Nutter.
8453
84541863
845501:32:00,814 --> 01:32:02,749
8456<i> Goldsmith was
8457under tremendous pressure</i>
8458
84591864
846001:32:02,750 --> 01:32:04,349
8461<i>before he went to Washington.</i>
8462
84631865
846401:32:04,350 --> 01:32:05,984
8465Our military were
8466refusing to invade
8467
84681866
846901:32:05,985 --> 01:32:07,687
8470without a clear legal opinion
8471from him
8472
84731867
847401:32:07,688 --> 01:32:09,287
8475that what they were doing
8476was legal
8477
84781868
847901:32:09,288 --> 01:32:10,857
8480<i>in case of a war crimes trial.</i>
8481
84821869
848301:32:10,858 --> 01:32:12,758
8484Thank you, Martin, very helpful.
8485
84861870
848701:32:12,759 --> 01:32:14,394
8488Well, no, hang on,
8489hang on, hang on.
8490
84911871
849201:32:14,395 --> 01:32:15,693
8493Do you think you have a defense?
8494
84951872
849601:32:15,694 --> 01:32:17,694
8497We're working on it.
8498
84991873
850001:32:15,694 --> 01:32:17,196
8501<i>Okay.</i>
8502
85031874
850401:32:17,197 --> 01:32:18,197
8505<i>Let me know when you do.</i>
8506
85071875
850801:32:17,197 --> 01:32:18,864
8509Well, you'll hear it in court.
8510
85111876
851201:32:18,865 --> 01:32:20,865
8513<i>Come on, Ben.</i>
8514
85151877
851601:32:18,865 --> 01:32:20,666
8517Bye.
8518
85191878
852001:32:20,667 --> 01:32:22,667
8521He's persistent.
8522
85231879
852401:32:20,667 --> 01:32:22,602
8525He is.
8526
85271880
852801:32:22,603 --> 01:32:23,803
8529But it's your story
8530
85311881
853201:32:23,804 --> 01:32:26,404
8533and you don't need
8534a media trial.
8535
85361882
853701:32:26,405 --> 01:32:29,442
8538We should request
8539full disclosure
8540of all legal advice
8541
85421883
854301:32:29,443 --> 01:32:32,012
8544given by Goldsmith
8545in the year leading up
8546to the invasion.
8547
85481884
854901:32:33,012 --> 01:32:34,880
8550He'll almost certainly
8551refuse to comply.
8552
85531885
855401:32:34,881 --> 01:32:36,849
8555Then we'll subpoena Wilmshurst.
8556
85571886
855801:32:36,850 --> 01:32:39,786
8559Hell, we'll subpoena
8560Goldsmith himself.
8561And Blair too.
8562
85631887
856401:32:39,787 --> 01:32:43,956
8565Ben, if we can't prove that
8566Goldsmith changed his advice,
8567
85681888
856901:32:43,957 --> 01:32:47,229
8570we can't argue that Katharine
8571tried to stop an illegal war.
8572
85731889
857401:32:48,229 --> 01:32:49,229
8575What then?
8576
85771890
857801:32:58,104 --> 01:32:59,604
8579Then I'll be found guilty.
8580
85811891
858201:32:59,605 --> 01:33:01,216
8583Almost certainly, yes.
8584
85851892
858601:33:09,216 --> 01:33:12,385
8587So, do you want to risk it all
8588
85891893
859001:33:12,386 --> 01:33:17,590
8591and ask for disclosure
8592of the government's documents,
8593
85941894
859501:33:17,591 --> 01:33:18,871
8596or would you rather plead guilty
8597
85981895
859901:33:19,025 --> 01:33:21,335
8600and hope for a reduced sentence?
8601
86021896
860301:33:30,003 --> 01:33:31,972
8604I think...
8605
86061897
860701:33:32,972 --> 01:33:36,381
8608...we were lied
8609into an illegal war.
8610
86111898
861201:33:42,381 --> 01:33:44,591
8613Let's ask for the documents.
8614
86151899
861601:33:50,591 --> 01:33:51,591
8617All right.
8618
86191900
862001:34:22,088 --> 01:34:23,689
8621You ready?
8622
86231901
862401:34:23,690 --> 01:34:25,590
8625No statements now, remember.
8626
86271902
862801:34:25,591 --> 01:34:27,735
8629Let's just get through
8630those doors.
8631
86321903
863301:34:50,350 --> 01:34:52,350
8634Katharine, you okay?
8635
86361904
863701:34:50,350 --> 01:34:52,852
8638Yeah.
8639
86401905
864101:34:52,853 --> 01:34:54,687
8642Ben's already
8643in the courtroom
8644
86451906
864601:34:54,688 --> 01:34:56,956
8647but he wanted you to
8648meet Martin Bright.
8649
86501907
865101:34:56,957 --> 01:34:59,425
8652Uh, he's covering the trial.
8653
86541908
865501:34:59,426 --> 01:35:01,227
8656Katharine, it's an honor.
8657
86581909
865901:35:01,228 --> 01:35:03,862
8660I'll be in the press gallery.
8661I hope that's all right?
8662
86631910
866401:35:03,863 --> 01:35:06,666
8665Yeah, uh, yeah. You...
8666
86671911
866801:35:06,667 --> 01:35:09,301
8669You took a real risk.
8670
86711912
867201:35:09,302 --> 01:35:11,069
8673No, you took the risk.
8674
86751913
867601:35:11,070 --> 01:35:12,639
8677I think what you did
8678was extraordinary.
8679
86801914
868101:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,374
8682I think what you exposed
8683was extraordinary.
8684
86851915
868601:35:15,375 --> 01:35:17,076
8687All our institutions failed us.
8688
86891916
869001:35:17,077 --> 01:35:18,911
8691The government,
8692the intelligence services,
8693
86941917
869501:35:18,912 --> 01:35:22,047
8696the press,
8697they failed us categorically.
8698
86991918
870001:35:22,048 --> 01:35:24,884
8701Even my own paper supported
8702the war before that memo.
8703
87041919
870501:35:24,885 --> 01:35:26,419
8706Well, thank you for being here.
8707
87081920
870901:35:26,420 --> 01:35:28,520
8710No, thank you.
8711
87121921
871301:35:28,521 --> 01:35:31,225
8714It's important what you did.
8715It matters.
8716
87171922
871801:35:33,225 --> 01:35:35,225
8719We should go in,
8720Martin.
8721
87221923
872301:35:33,225 --> 01:35:35,795
8724Yes.
8725
87261924
872701:35:35,796 --> 01:35:39,002
8728Sorry, James. Yes.
8729Uh, be strong.
8730
87311925
873201:35:42,002 --> 01:35:44,502
8733Katharine,
8734you're going that way.
8735
87361926
873701:35:44,503 --> 01:35:46,371
8738Uh, can I just have a moment?
8739
87401927
874101:35:46,372 --> 01:35:48,372
8742Of course.
8743
87441928
874501:35:46,372 --> 01:35:48,211
8746Thanks.
8747
87481929
874901:35:51,211 --> 01:35:53,278
8750You should
8751leave that behind,
8752ma'am.
8753
87541930
875501:35:53,279 --> 01:35:56,890
8756Uh, yeah, sorry,
8757can I just have
8758a second? Just...
8759
87601931
876101:36:06,626 --> 01:36:08,126
8762<i>Janum?</i>
8763
87641932
876501:36:08,127 --> 01:36:11,435
8766Hi. Um, I'm about to go in.
8767
87681933
876901:36:15,435 --> 01:36:16,435
8770I love you.
8771
87721934
877301:36:18,204 --> 01:36:20,372
8774I love you too.
8775
87761935
877701:36:20,373 --> 01:36:24,410
8778Uh, I'm gonna try
8779and call as soon as I can.
8780
87811936
878201:36:24,411 --> 01:36:26,416
8783<i>I wish I was there with you.</i>
8784
87851937
878601:36:29,416 --> 01:36:30,719
8787I know.
8788
87891938
879001:36:31,719 --> 01:36:33,352
8791I'm so sorry.
8792
87931939
879401:36:33,353 --> 01:36:35,122
8795<i>You have nothing
8796to be sorry for.</i>
8797
87981940
879901:36:37,122 --> 01:36:40,197
8800I'm so proud of you.
8801So proud of you.
8802
88031941
880401:36:43,197 --> 01:36:45,567
8805Bye.
8806
88071942
880801:36:46,567 --> 01:36:47,806
8809Bye.
8810
88111943
881201:36:53,806 --> 01:36:55,806
8813Miss?
8814
88151944
881601:36:56,643 --> 01:36:57,643
8817Sorry.
8818
88191945
882001:36:58,511 --> 01:37:00,179
8821I can take your bag.
8822
88231946
882401:37:00,180 --> 01:37:02,180
8825We'll see you in there, okay?
8826
88271947
882801:37:00,180 --> 01:37:02,079
8829Yeah.
8830
88311948
883201:37:34,079 --> 01:37:36,221
8833Your scarf and jacket, please.
8834
88351949
883601:37:42,221 --> 01:37:45,206
8837Okay, and then
8838if you'll raise your arms.
8839
88401950
884101:37:59,206 --> 01:38:00,644
8842Okay.
8843
88441951
884501:38:05,511 --> 01:38:06,581
8846She's here.
8847
88481952
884901:38:07,581 --> 01:38:09,514
8850Right. Okay.
8851
88521953
885301:38:09,515 --> 01:38:10,860
8854Judge is ready.
8855
88561954
885701:38:20,860 --> 01:38:22,118
8858Up you go.
8859
88601955
886101:38:44,118 --> 01:38:46,986
8862Are you
8863Katharine Teresa Gun?
8864
88651956
886601:38:46,987 --> 01:38:48,120
8867Yes.
8868
88691957
887001:38:48,121 --> 01:38:51,857
8871I'm sorry.
8872Can you speak up,
8873please?
8874
88751958
887601:38:51,858 --> 01:38:53,224
8877Yes, I am.
8878
88791959
888001:38:53,225 --> 01:38:55,827
8881"Katharine Teresa Gun,
8882
88831960
888401:38:55,828 --> 01:38:57,261
8885"you are charged with an offense
8886
88871961
888801:38:57,262 --> 01:39:00,399
8889"contrary to Section 1,
8890Subsection 1
8891
88921962
889301:39:00,400 --> 01:39:04,202
8894"of the Official Secrets Act
8895of 1989.
8896
88971963
889801:39:04,203 --> 01:39:08,374
8899"In that between January 30
8900and March 2 of 2003
8901
89021964
890301:39:08,375 --> 01:39:10,011
8904"you did knowingly
8905and intentionally
8906
89071965
890801:39:11,011 --> 01:39:13,946
8909"disclose top secret
8910intelligence information
8911
89121966
891301:39:13,947 --> 01:39:16,415
8914"contrary to the said act."
8915
89161967
891701:39:16,416 --> 01:39:20,689
8918How do you plead?
8919Guilty or not guilty?
8920
89211968
892201:39:22,689 --> 01:39:24,060
8923Ms. Gun?
8924
89251969
892601:39:27,060 --> 01:39:28,594
8927Not guilty.
8928
89291970
893001:39:32,733 --> 01:39:35,904
8931Yes, Mr. Ellison.
8932
89331971
893401:39:38,904 --> 01:39:41,074
8935Yes, thank you, My Lord.
8936
89371972
893801:39:42,074 --> 01:39:45,812
8939My Lord, in light of
8940recent developments,
8941
89421973
894301:39:45,813 --> 01:39:48,179
8944the prosecution
8945will offer no evidence
8946
89471974
894801:39:48,180 --> 01:39:50,916
8949against the defendant
8950on this indictment.
8951
89521975
895301:39:52,552 --> 01:39:54,523
8954I beg your pardon?
8955
89561976
895701:39:56,523 --> 01:39:59,992
8958My Lord, the prosecution will
8959not pursue the indictment.
8960
89611977
896201:39:59,993 --> 01:40:01,195
8963Today?
8964
89651978
896601:40:02,195 --> 01:40:03,195
8967No, My Lord.
8968
89691979
897001:40:03,196 --> 01:40:04,563
8971I'm sorry.
8972
89731980
897401:40:04,564 --> 01:40:08,034
8975Are you asking for
8976an adjournment, Mr. Ellison?
8977
89781981
897901:40:09,034 --> 01:40:10,402
8980No, My Lord.
8981
89821982
898301:40:10,403 --> 01:40:12,504
8984You are saying
8985that you do not wish
8986
89871983
898801:40:12,505 --> 01:40:15,608
8989to proceed at all?
8990
89911984
899201:40:15,609 --> 01:40:16,975
8993Yes, My Lord.
8994
89951985
899601:40:16,976 --> 01:40:19,581
8997But the accused confessed.
8998
89991986
900001:40:20,581 --> 01:40:21,546
9001Yes, My Lord.
9002
90031987
900401:40:21,547 --> 01:40:24,316
9005And yet you do not
9006wish to proceed?
9007
90081988
900901:40:24,317 --> 01:40:26,317
9010No, My Lord.
9011
90121989
901301:40:24,317 --> 01:40:26,117
9014I'm sorry.
9015
90161990
901701:40:26,118 --> 01:40:28,187
9018I find that extraordinary.
9019
90201991
902101:40:28,188 --> 01:40:30,725
9022Do you care to explain?
9023
90241992
902501:40:32,725 --> 01:40:36,260
9026My Lord,
9027the accused submitted
9028an unusual defense.
9029
90301993
903101:40:36,261 --> 01:40:38,863
9032Yes. The defense of necessity.
9033
90341994
903501:40:38,864 --> 01:40:40,864
9036Yes.
9037
90381995
903901:40:38,864 --> 01:40:40,499
9040And?
9041
90421996
904301:40:40,500 --> 01:40:43,868
9044And we do not believe
9045we have sufficient evidence
9046to rebut it.
9047
90481997
904901:40:43,869 --> 01:40:45,737
9050Why not? She confessed.
9051
90521998
905301:40:45,738 --> 01:40:47,340
9054Because, My Lord,
9055
90561999
905701:40:47,341 --> 01:40:50,343
9058the documents that
9059we have called for would show
9060
90612000
906201:40:50,344 --> 01:40:53,746
9063that this country was taken
9064to war illegally...
9065
90662001
906701:40:55,081 --> 01:40:57,616
9068...and may expose
9069
90702002
907101:40:57,617 --> 01:41:01,153
9072the government to
9073charges of war crimes.
9074
90752003
907601:41:01,154 --> 01:41:02,154
9077That is absurd!
9078
90792004
908001:41:02,155 --> 01:41:03,324
9081Is it?
9082
90832005
908401:41:05,324 --> 01:41:07,393
9085Then kindly hand over
9086the documents
9087
90882006
908901:41:07,394 --> 01:41:10,362
9090that we have asked to see.
9091
90922007
909301:41:10,363 --> 01:41:12,130
9094My Lord, the prosecution
9095is not obliged.
9096
90972008
909801:41:12,131 --> 01:41:15,466
9099Indeed, it is not permitted
9100to continue with a case
9101if it does not believe
9102
91032009
910401:41:15,467 --> 01:41:18,069
9105there is a realistic prospect
9106of a conviction.
9107
91082010
910901:41:18,070 --> 01:41:20,305
9110To do so would be a waste
9111of taxpayers' funds.
9112
91132011
911401:41:20,306 --> 01:41:22,174
9115My Lord, I am thankful
9116
91172012
911801:41:22,175 --> 01:41:25,344
9119that the charges against
9120Ms. Gun are being withdrawn
9121
91222013
912301:41:25,345 --> 01:41:27,978
9124and that the Crown
9125is suddenly so determined
9126
91272014
912801:41:27,979 --> 01:41:30,181
9129not to waste taxpayers' money.
9130
91312015
913201:41:30,182 --> 01:41:33,419
9133But surely,
9134after months of uncertainty
9135
91362016
913701:41:33,420 --> 01:41:37,723
9138and severe distress,
9139Ms. Gun is entitled to know
9140
91412017
914201:41:37,724 --> 01:41:40,626
9143why the government
9144is dropping this case?
9145
91462018
914701:41:40,627 --> 01:41:43,895
9148Indeed, the public
9149is entitled to know.
9150
91512019
915201:41:43,896 --> 01:41:45,896
9153Hear, hear.
9154
91552020
915601:41:43,896 --> 01:41:45,234
9157Hear.
9158
91592021
916001:41:48,234 --> 01:41:49,234
9161Mr. Ellison?
9162
91632022
916401:41:53,038 --> 01:41:54,706
9165Again, My Lord, we do not feel
9166
91672023
916801:41:54,707 --> 01:41:57,609
9169we have a realistic prospect
9170of a conviction.
9171
91722024
917301:41:57,610 --> 01:41:59,747
9174There is nothing more I can say.
9175
91762025
917701:42:00,747 --> 01:42:02,281
9178To be clear,
9179
91802026
918101:42:02,282 --> 01:42:06,451
9182you are withdrawing all charges
9183
91842027
918501:42:06,452 --> 01:42:09,225
9186against Katharine Teresa Gun?
9187
91882028
918901:42:12,225 --> 01:42:13,358
9190Yes, My Lord.
9191
91922029
919301:42:24,171 --> 01:42:25,944
9194Ms. Gun...
9195
91962030
919701:42:30,944 --> 01:42:32,947
9198...you are free to go.
9199
92002031
920101:43:07,980 --> 01:43:10,916
9202<i>In a startling about-turn,
9203the Crown Prosecution Service</i>
9204
92052032
920601:43:10,917 --> 01:43:13,051
9207<i>has dropped its case
9208against an intelligence...</i>
9209
92102033
921101:43:13,052 --> 01:43:16,455
9212<i> At 29,
9213Katharine Gun was facing jail
9214for breaking the...</i>
9215
92162034
921701:43:16,456 --> 01:43:17,755
9218<i> The last thing
9219the government wanted</i>
9220
92212035
922201:43:17,756 --> 01:43:19,224
9223<i>within months
9224of a general election</i>
9225
92262036
922701:43:19,225 --> 01:43:20,459
9228<i>was a big court case</i>
9229
92302037
923101:43:20,460 --> 01:43:22,560
9232<i>focusing on the legality
9233of that war...</i>
9234
92352038
923601:43:22,561 --> 01:43:24,496
9237<i> The lawyers wanted
9238the Attorney General's</i>
9239
92402039
924101:43:24,497 --> 01:43:26,264
9242<i>secret advice to Downing Street</i>
9243
92442040
924501:43:26,265 --> 01:43:29,167
9246<i>about whether invading Iraq
9247was or was not legal</i>
9248
92492041
925001:43:29,168 --> 01:43:31,169
9251<i>disclosed that the...</i>
9252
92532042
925401:43:31,170 --> 01:43:34,345
9255<i>And he was
9256involved in deciding
9257whether today's case...</i>
9258
92592043
926001:43:39,345 --> 01:43:42,680
9261<i> First tonight,
9262Katharine Gun walks free.</i>
9263
92642044
926501:43:42,681 --> 01:43:44,616
9266<i>In a dramatic about-turn,
9267the Crown...</i>
9268
92692045
927001:43:44,617 --> 01:43:46,385
9271<i>So did the Attorney General</i>
9272
92732046
927401:43:46,386 --> 01:43:48,219
9275<i>put pressure on to stop
9276the trial?</i>
9277
92782047
927901:43:48,220 --> 01:43:49,822
9280<i>Did GCHQ?</i>
9281
92822048
928301:43:49,823 --> 01:43:52,291
9284<i>Did the prime minister?
9285No answers.</i>
9286
92872049
928801:43:52,292 --> 01:43:53,960
9289<i>Tonight we're simply
9290asked to believe</i>
9291
92922050
929301:43:53,961 --> 01:43:56,698
9294<i>that there was no case
9295to answer.</i>
9296
92972051
929801:44:00,167 --> 01:44:02,468
9299Would you do it again?
9300
93012052
930201:44:02,469 --> 01:44:03,469
9303Would you do it again?
9304
93052053
930601:44:03,470 --> 01:44:04,502
9307I have no regrets.
9308
93092054
931001:44:04,503 --> 01:44:06,322
9311Yes, and I would
9312do it again, yes.
9313
93142055
931501:44:22,322 --> 01:44:23,957
9316Caught anything?
9317
93182056
931901:44:24,957 --> 01:44:26,640
9320Not yet.
9321
93222057
932301:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,545
9324You know, it wasn't
9325my choice to prosecute.
9326
93272058
932801:44:45,545 --> 01:44:49,448
9329I was bound by the decision
9330of the Attorney General.
9331
93322059
933301:44:50,448 --> 01:44:53,853
9334Why did you keep her
9335in a state of distress
9336
93372060
933801:44:53,854 --> 01:44:58,422
9339for a year
9340before you brought charges?
9341
93422061
934301:44:58,423 --> 01:45:02,193
9344The services wanted to make
9345an example of her.
9346
93472062
934801:45:02,194 --> 01:45:05,130
9349If we dropped the case
9350any earlier,
9351
93522063
935301:45:05,131 --> 01:45:07,838
9354what kind of message
9355would that have sent?
9356
93572064
935801:45:12,838 --> 01:45:14,375
9359Do me a favor, Ken.
9360
93612065
936201:45:15,375 --> 01:45:17,000
9363Go and fish somewhere else.