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3Subtitles by explosiveskull
4akumenang.com
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62
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8"Katharine Teresa Gun,
9
103
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12"you are charged
13with an offence
14
154
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17"contrary to Section 1,
18Subsection 1
19
205
2100:01:04,330 --> 00:01:08,531
22"of the Official Secrets Act
23of 1989
24
256
2600:01:08,533 --> 00:01:11,468
27"and that you did knowingly
28and intentionally
29
307
3100:01:11,470 --> 00:01:14,270
32"disclose top secret
33intelligence information
34
358
3600:01:14,272 --> 00:01:16,141
37"contrary to the said act."
38
399
4000:01:18,477 --> 00:01:21,010
41How do you plead?
42
4310
4400:01:21,012 --> 00:01:23,148
45Guilty or not guilty?
46
4711
4800:01:40,833 --> 00:01:43,532
49- What?
50- The neighbors will hear.
51
5212
5300:01:43,534 --> 00:01:45,036
54Let's move over.
55
5613
5700:01:51,042 --> 00:01:52,544
58- Better?
59- Better.
60
6114
6200:02:00,986 --> 00:02:04,320
63And what about the
64situation of persuading the people?
65
6615
6700:02:04,322 --> 00:02:05,623
68Because it's very,
69to put it mildly
70
7116
7200:02:05,625 --> 00:02:08,290
73uncomfortable to go to war
74with 73% against.
75
7617
7700:02:08,292 --> 00:02:11,194
78If people are being
79asked today do you support a war,
80
8118
8200:02:11,196 --> 00:02:14,497
83my answer to that
84is we're not at war today.
85
8619
8700:02:14,499 --> 00:02:16,734
88I think especially,
89obviously, if the UN pass
90
9120
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93the second resolution,
94as I believe they will
95
9621
9700:02:18,369 --> 00:02:20,837
98if the inspectors carry on
99saying he's not cooperating,
100
10122
10200:02:20,839 --> 00:02:22,772
103I think public opinion
104is in a different place.
105
10623
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108When your correspondent
109was saying
110
11124
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113the war is inevitable,
114war is not inevitable.
115
11625
11700:02:28,147 --> 00:02:29,913
118It depends on Saddam.
119
12026
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122If he cooperates
123with the inspectors,
124
12527
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127if he says
128how much material he's got,
129
13028
13100:02:34,619 --> 00:02:36,552
132if he cooperates fully
133with them,
134
13529
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137then the issue's over.
138
13930
14000:02:37,656 --> 00:02:39,289
141But he's not doing that
142at the moment.
143
14431
14500:02:39,291 --> 00:02:41,091
146Bloody liar.
147
14832
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150They're all
151bloody liars.
152
15333
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155You know, actually,
156I don't think they are.
157
15834
15900:02:44,529 --> 00:02:46,163
160I don't think the weapons
161inspectors are lying.
162
16335
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165This and international
166terrorism
167
16836
16900:02:47,533 --> 00:02:49,366
170are the two
171big security threats.
172
17337
17400:02:49,368 --> 00:02:52,336
175- Want coffee?
176- No, thanks.
177
17838
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180We were told,
181we were given to understand
182
18339
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185that what these inspectors
186were gonna come up with was
187
18840
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190evidence of weapons
191of mass destruction,
192
19341
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195chemical,
196biological and nuclear.
197
19842
19900:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,782
200What we know is that
201he has this material.
202
20343
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205Oh, my God, we don't know that.
206We don't know that.
207
20844
20900:03:07,852 --> 00:03:10,320
210I mean, he just keeps
211repeating the lie.
212
21345
21400:03:10,322 --> 00:03:12,656
215You sure it's a lie?
216Saddam's a psychopath.
217
21846
21900:03:12,658 --> 00:03:13,956
220Yeah, well, just because
221you're the Prime Minister,
222
22347
22400:03:13,958 --> 00:03:15,793
225it doesn't mean you get
226to make up your own facts.
227
22848
22900:03:15,795 --> 00:03:17,593
230Do you think
231you have the goods on him now?
232
23349
23400:03:17,595 --> 00:03:20,195
235I've got no doubt at all
236that he's developing these weapons
237
23850
23900:03:20,197 --> 00:03:21,500
240and that he poses a threat.
241
24251
24300:03:34,245 --> 00:03:36,146
244- Be at the cafe by 4:00.
245- I can fetch you at 5:00.
246
24752
24800:03:36,148 --> 00:03:38,515
249No, no, no. I was gonna
250get the bus. I love you.
251
25253
25300:03:38,517 --> 00:03:39,719
254Love you.
255
25654
25700:03:51,563 --> 00:03:52,662
258Yes.
259
26055
26100:03:52,664 --> 00:03:54,997
262You know he has a place
263in Devon.
264
26556
26600:03:54,999 --> 00:03:57,567
267He wants to take me
268surfing with his dog.
269
27057
27100:03:57,569 --> 00:03:59,535
272- Is that a bad thing?
273- No, it's a great dog.
274
27558
27600:03:59,537 --> 00:04:00,603
277Okay.
278
27959
28000:04:00,605 --> 00:04:01,937
281When was the last time
282you got away?
283
28460
28500:04:01,939 --> 00:04:03,507
286Oh, don't know,
287three or four weeks ago.
288
28961
29000:04:03,509 --> 00:04:04,908
291We went hiking
292in Yorkshire.
293
29462
29500:04:04,910 --> 00:04:06,977
296Oh. Shall we all
297go hiking together?
298
29963
30000:04:06,979 --> 00:04:09,079
301Yeah, that would be lovely.
302With the dog?
303
30464
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306Mmm.
307
30865
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310Oh!
311
31266
31300:04:23,095 --> 00:04:25,362
314Oh, thank you.
315
31667
31700:04:25,364 --> 00:04:26,832
318I'm starving.
319
32068
32100:04:28,533 --> 00:04:30,634
322I've been here
323since 5:00,
324
32569
32600:04:30,636 --> 00:04:32,435
327listening to
328a Russian embassy staffer
329
33070
33100:04:32,437 --> 00:04:34,670
332trying to bribe
333a North Korean defector
334
33571
33600:04:34,672 --> 00:04:36,506
337who's been downloading
338some kinky shit.
339
34072
34100:04:36,508 --> 00:04:39,543
342- Very arousing few hours.
343- You're disgusting.
344
34573
34600:04:39,545 --> 00:04:41,577
347It's for
348the Queen and country.
349
35074
35100:04:41,579 --> 00:04:43,245
352MI6 thought the Korean
353was one of ours.
354
35575
35600:04:43,247 --> 00:04:44,581
357I just proved he's not.
358
35976
36000:04:44,583 --> 00:04:47,716
361GCHQ, 1. MI6, 0.
362
36377
36400:04:47,718 --> 00:04:49,019
365Katharine.
366
36778
36800:04:49,021 --> 00:04:50,987
369I need your Beijing report
370for the Foreign Office.
371
37279
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374They start trade talks
375next week.
376
37780
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379Yeah, on it.
380
38181
38200:05:40,973 --> 00:05:43,006
383"As you've likely heard by now
384
38582
38600:05:43,008 --> 00:05:45,274
387"the Agency is mounting
388a surge
389
39083
39100:05:45,276 --> 00:05:48,845
392"particularly directed at the
393UN Security Council members
394
39584
39600:05:48,847 --> 00:05:51,213
397"minus US and Great Britain,
398of course
399
40085
40100:05:51,215 --> 00:05:54,417
402"for insights as to how
403membership is reacting
404
40586
40600:05:54,419 --> 00:05:56,752
407"to the ongoing debate
408RE Iraq.
409
41087
41100:05:56,754 --> 00:06:00,156
412"That means
413a QRC surge effort to revive,
414
41588
41600:06:00,158 --> 00:06:04,427
417"create efforts against
418UN Security Council members,
419
42089
42100:06:04,429 --> 00:06:07,331
422"Angola, Cameroon,
423
42490
42500:06:07,333 --> 00:06:10,670
426"Chile, Bulgaria and Guinea."
427
42891
42900:06:21,047 --> 00:06:22,047
430Andy.
431
43292
43300:06:23,282 --> 00:06:25,051
434Did you get this NSA e-mail?
435
43693
43700:06:26,852 --> 00:06:28,552
438Are the Yanks really asking
439us to dig up personal shit
440
44194
44200:06:28,554 --> 00:06:31,021
443on UN Security Council
444delegates?
445
44695
44700:06:31,023 --> 00:06:33,555
448"They want
449the whole gamut of info
450
45196
45200:06:33,557 --> 00:06:35,757
453"that could give
454US policy makers an edge
455
45697
45700:06:35,759 --> 00:06:38,728
458"in obtaining results
459favorable to US goals."
460
46198
46200:06:38,730 --> 00:06:41,098
463Christ, they wanna
464fix the vote.
465
46699
46700:06:41,100 --> 00:06:43,899
468"This effort will probably
469peak in the middle of next week
470
471100
47200:06:43,901 --> 00:06:46,336
473"following the Secretary
474of State's presentation
475
476101
47700:06:46,338 --> 00:06:48,273
478"to the UN Security Council."
479
480102
48100:06:50,509 --> 00:06:52,776
482Powell's gonna
483argue for war.
484
485103
48600:06:52,778 --> 00:06:54,476
487And they're gonna blackmail
488the smaller nations
489
490104
49100:06:54,478 --> 00:06:57,213
492to make sure
493they get it. Fuck.
494
495105
49600:06:57,215 --> 00:06:59,716
497Excuse me.
498Question.
499
500106
50100:06:59,718 --> 00:07:00,783
502Yeah.
503
504107
50500:07:05,756 --> 00:07:08,858
506Uh, this NSA memo,
507our people approved it?
508
509108
51000:07:08,860 --> 00:07:10,560
511Yes, that's why
512it's been forwarded.
513
514109
51500:07:10,562 --> 00:07:13,730
516The Americans want us to help
517them get a UN resolution for war?
518
519110
52000:07:13,732 --> 00:07:15,464
521By next week?
522
523111
52400:07:15,466 --> 00:07:17,736
525It's a joint
526UK/USA operation.
527
528112
52900:07:18,937 --> 00:07:21,206
530UKUSA. Right.
531Got it.
532
533113
53400:07:28,112 --> 00:07:30,949
535Hey,
536ours not to reason why.
537
538114
53900:07:32,050 --> 00:07:33,617
540Everything good today,
541Mrs. Archer?
542
543115
54400:07:33,619 --> 00:07:35,651
545Yes, thank you. Very good.
546Very, very good.
547
548116
54900:07:35,653 --> 00:07:37,220
550I'll see you again
551tomorrow, yes?
552
553117
55400:07:37,222 --> 00:07:38,224
555Yes.
556
557118
55800:07:39,425 --> 00:07:41,192
559Thank you, dear.
560
561119
56200:07:41,792 --> 00:07:44,162
563- Hey.
564- Hey.
565
566120
56700:07:46,465 --> 00:07:47,767
568You okay?
569
570121
57100:07:49,066 --> 00:07:51,834
572Yeah, it's been
573a long day.
574
575122
57600:07:51,836 --> 00:07:55,172
577I need ten minutes.
578Want something to eat?
579
580123
58100:07:55,174 --> 00:07:56,208
582No.
583
584124
58500:07:57,175 --> 00:07:58,641
586You working
587this weekend?
588
589125
59000:07:58,643 --> 00:08:00,410
591Could we go somewhere,
592get out of town?
593
594126
59500:08:00,412 --> 00:08:03,480
596Sorry, janum,
597I'll get next weekend for sure.
598
599127
60000:08:03,482 --> 00:08:06,548
601A question
602for the President if I may.
603
604128
60500:08:06,550 --> 00:08:10,687
606What is the status, in your
607view, of any second resolution?
608
609129
61000:08:10,689 --> 00:08:12,288
611Is it something
612that you think is worth
613
614130
61500:08:12,290 --> 00:08:16,259
616spending time and energy
617trying to assemble?
618
619131
62000:08:16,261 --> 00:08:17,994
621Just let me
622reiterate what I just said.
623
624132
62500:08:17,996 --> 00:08:19,865
626This is a matter of weeks,
627not months.
628
629133
63000:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,067
631Any attempt to drag
632the process on for months
633
634134
63500:08:24,069 --> 00:08:26,002
636will be resisted
637by the United States.
638
639135
64000:08:26,004 --> 00:08:28,538
641- Can we watch something else?
642- No, no, this is important.
643
644136
64500:08:28,540 --> 00:08:32,307
646Secretary
647Powell will make a strong case
648
649137
65000:08:32,309 --> 00:08:35,546
651about the danger
652of an armed Saddam Hussein
653
654138
65500:08:35,548 --> 00:08:38,682
656and he will also talk
657about Al-Qaeda links.
658
659139
66000:08:38,684 --> 00:08:40,517
661Come on, there are
662no credible links
663
664140
66500:08:40,519 --> 00:08:41,985
666between Saddam
667and Al-Qaeda.
668
669141
67000:08:41,987 --> 00:08:43,820
671...really
672do portend a danger...
673
674142
67500:08:43,822 --> 00:08:45,254
676- I'll turn it off.
677- No, no, no, no, no.
678
679143
68000:08:45,256 --> 00:08:46,355
681Please,
682I need to watch this.
683
684144
68500:08:46,357 --> 00:08:47,724
686I need to know
687what they're saying.
688
689145
69000:08:47,726 --> 00:08:49,926
691I mean, yes.
692Yes, Saddam is a dictator,
693
694146
69500:08:49,928 --> 00:08:51,394
696but he is not
697a religious nut.
698
699147
70000:08:51,396 --> 00:08:53,730
701I mean, why would
702he risk arming Al-Qaeda
703
704148
70500:08:53,732 --> 00:08:56,666
706and have them turn against him?
707It doesn't make any sense!
708
709149
71000:08:56,668 --> 00:08:57,933
711Fine, but yelling
712at the TV
713
714150
71500:08:57,935 --> 00:08:59,769
716isn't going to make
717any difference.
718
719151
72000:08:59,771 --> 00:09:02,672
721They can't bloody
722hear you.
723
724152
72500:09:02,674 --> 00:09:04,206
726- Where you going?
727- To read a book.
728
729153
73000:09:04,208 --> 00:09:06,509
731You see,
732my vision shifted dramatically
733
734154
73500:09:06,511 --> 00:09:08,010
736after September 11.
737
738155
73900:09:08,012 --> 00:09:09,379
740I realized
741the world has changed.
742
743156
74400:09:09,381 --> 00:09:11,913
745My most important obligation
746is to protect
747
748157
74900:09:11,915 --> 00:09:14,083
750the American people
751from further harm.
752
753158
75400:09:14,085 --> 00:09:16,020
755And I will do that.
756
757159
75800:09:16,854 --> 00:09:18,289
759Thank you all very much.
760
761160
76200:09:27,098 --> 00:09:29,432
763- Love you.
764- Love you.
765
766161
76700:09:29,434 --> 00:09:31,403
768Don't forget to check
769in at the station.
770
771162
77200:09:32,636 --> 00:09:34,236
773What are you gonna do?
774
775163
77600:09:34,238 --> 00:09:37,573
777- I don't know.
778- Read a book.
779
780164
78100:09:37,575 --> 00:09:39,110
782I'll be back
783by 7:00 latest.
784
785165
78600:09:54,793 --> 00:09:57,363
787- Mr. Gun. Signing in?
788- Yes, thank you.
789
790166
79100:10:02,534 --> 00:10:04,600
792When will you know
793if you can stay?
794
795167
79600:10:04,602 --> 00:10:05,936
797They don't say.
798
799168
80000:10:05,938 --> 00:10:07,504
801Could be weeks.
802Could be months.
803
804169
80500:10:07,506 --> 00:10:09,505
806You never know with
807immigration, do you?
808
809170
81000:10:09,507 --> 00:10:11,541
811- I know.
812- Thank you.
813
814171
81500:10:11,543 --> 00:10:13,178
816Hi, Jasmine, it's Kath.
817
818172
81900:10:14,045 --> 00:10:16,312
820Uh, are you around today?
821
822173
82300:10:16,314 --> 00:10:18,349
824I'd love to come and see you.
825
826174
82700:10:23,921 --> 00:10:25,554
828- Kath.
829- Hi.
830
831175
83200:10:25,556 --> 00:10:27,325
833Oh, come here.
834
835176
83600:10:29,026 --> 00:10:30,559
837Hello.
838
839177
84000:10:30,561 --> 00:10:32,562
841Targeting who?
842
843178
84400:10:32,564 --> 00:10:34,898
845The UN Security Council.
846
847179
84800:10:34,900 --> 00:10:36,265
849Particularly
850the non-permanent members
851
852180
85300:10:36,267 --> 00:10:38,335
854who could swing the vote
855in favor of war.
856
857181
85800:10:38,337 --> 00:10:39,338
859Jesus.
860
861182
86200:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,940
863Maybe it's time
864to quit.
865
866183
86700:10:43,942 --> 00:10:45,607
868You know, they say
869if you stay at GCHQ
870
871184
87200:10:45,609 --> 00:10:48,277
873for more than five years,
874you never leave.
875
876185
87700:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,046
878I've still got
879two to go then.
880
881186
88200:10:50,048 --> 00:10:51,880
883So you've still
884got a conscience.
885
886187
88700:10:54,184 --> 00:10:56,220
888Are you still organizing
889against the war?
890
891188
89200:10:59,391 --> 00:11:02,158
893Does GCHQ have a problem
894with that?
895
896189
89700:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,663
898- What? No.
899- Give me your phone.
900
901190
90200:11:08,032 --> 00:11:10,832
903I've already
904taken the battery out.
905
906191
90700:11:10,834 --> 00:11:14,073
908- I called you from a payphone.
909- Sorry.
910
911192
91200:11:17,476 --> 00:11:18,577
913Go on.
914
915193
91600:11:22,479 --> 00:11:23,748
917I just thought...
918
919194
92000:11:26,516 --> 00:11:29,318
921...if I could get you
922a copy of the memo,
923
924195
92500:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,087
926then maybe you could get
927somebody to look it over.
928
929196
93000:11:32,089 --> 00:11:33,355
931I don't know,
932a journalist,
933
934197
93500:11:33,357 --> 00:11:35,325
936someone
937in the anti-war movement.
938
939198
94000:11:35,327 --> 00:11:37,494
941Look, if the press think
942it's nothing, fine.
943
944199
94500:11:37,496 --> 00:11:39,430
946At least
947my conscience is clear.
948
949200
95000:11:40,531 --> 00:11:42,565
951Your conscience?
952
953201
95400:11:42,567 --> 00:11:45,235
955Kat, you're asking me
956to collude in a breach
957
958202
95900:11:45,237 --> 00:11:48,473
960of the Official Secrets Act.
961Some call that treason.
962
963203
96400:11:50,242 --> 00:11:53,309
965I am not trying to overthrow
966my government.
967
968204
96900:11:53,311 --> 00:11:57,447
970I just think if someone
971in the press saw it,
972
973205
97400:11:57,449 --> 00:11:59,916
975they might ask more questions
976about what the Americans
977
978206
97900:11:59,918 --> 00:12:01,754
980are asking
981this country to do.
982
983207
98400:12:23,375 --> 00:12:26,109
985Hey, Kat,
986they're sending me and Dan to London
987
988208
98900:12:26,111 --> 00:12:27,346
990to learn Farsi.
991
992209
99300:12:27,945 --> 00:12:30,145
994Wow, Farsi. Congrats.
995
996210
99700:12:30,147 --> 00:12:32,313
998- How many languages now?
999- Eight.
1000
1001211
100200:12:32,315 --> 00:12:33,917
1003She's a freakin'
1004super spy.
1005
1006212
100700:12:33,919 --> 00:12:35,817
1008Andy, where's
1009my Pyongyang report?
1010
1011213
101200:12:35,819 --> 00:12:38,122
1013- Ah, one more hour.
1014- Yeah, just get it done.
1015
1016214
101700:12:38,957 --> 00:12:40,923
1018- When do you leave?
1019- Two weeks.
1020
1021215
102200:12:40,925 --> 00:12:42,627
1023You'll have to
1024come visit me.
1025
1026216
102700:14:30,668 --> 00:14:32,735
1028Is that
1029the Foreign Office report?
1030
1031217
103200:14:32,737 --> 00:14:34,504
1033- Uh, it's a rough draft.
1034- Well, finish it.
1035
1036218
103700:14:34,506 --> 00:14:36,139
1038Defense section
1039needs extra hands.
1040
1041219
104200:14:36,141 --> 00:14:38,073
1043I said I'd send you
1044over there this afternoon.
1045
1046220
104700:14:38,075 --> 00:14:39,277
1048Okay, will do.
1049
1050221
105100:14:54,592 --> 00:14:56,958
1052What we're giving you
1053our facts and conclusions
1054
1055222
105600:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,762
1057based on solid intelligence.
1058
1059223
106000:14:59,764 --> 00:15:03,633
1061The issue before us
1062is not how much time
1063
1064224
106500:15:03,635 --> 00:15:06,602
1066we are willing to give
1067the inspectors,
1068
1069225
107000:15:06,604 --> 00:15:10,005
1071but how much longer
1072are we willing to put up
1073
1074226
107500:15:10,007 --> 00:15:15,144
1076with Iraq's non-compliance
1077before we as a council,
1078
1079227
108000:15:15,146 --> 00:15:18,714
1081we as United Nations
1082say enough.
1083
1084228
108500:15:18,716 --> 00:15:19,785
1086Enough.
1087
1088229
108900:15:20,751 --> 00:15:23,485
1090We have first-hand
1091descriptions
1092
1093230
109400:15:23,487 --> 00:15:27,856
1095of biological weapons factories
1096on wheels and on rails.
1097
1098231
109900:15:27,858 --> 00:15:30,759
1100The trucks and train cars
1101are easily moved
1102
1103232
110400:15:30,761 --> 00:15:34,364
1105and are designed to evade
1106detection by inspectors.
1107
1108233
110900:15:34,366 --> 00:15:36,466
1110Although Iraq's
1111mobile production program
1112
1113234
111400:15:36,468 --> 00:15:38,467
1115began in mid-1990s,
1116
1117235
111800:15:38,469 --> 00:15:42,371
1119UN inspectors at the time
1120only had vague hints
1121
1122236
112300:15:42,373 --> 00:15:44,206
1124of such programs.
1125
1126237
112700:15:44,208 --> 00:15:47,476
1128Confirmation came later
1129in the year 2000.
1130
1131238
113200:15:47,478 --> 00:15:50,145
1133The source was an eyewitness.
1134
1135239
113600:15:50,147 --> 00:15:51,614
1137An Iraqi chemical engineer
1138
1139240
114000:15:51,616 --> 00:15:53,883
1141who supervised
1142one of these facilities.
1143
1144241
114500:15:53,885 --> 00:15:54,886
1146Hi.
1147
1148242
114900:15:55,853 --> 00:15:56,887
1150Hi.
1151
1152243
115300:15:57,856 --> 00:16:00,823
1154I'm gonna watch some football.
1155Do you mind?
1156
1157244
115800:16:00,825 --> 00:16:01,826
1159No. Go for it.
1160
1161245
116200:16:54,746 --> 00:16:58,548
1163From the north,
1164the south, the east and the west,
1165
1166246
116700:16:58,550 --> 00:17:00,450
1168from the left, the right
1169
1170247
117100:17:00,452 --> 00:17:02,751
1172from the radical
1173to the uncommitted
1174
1175248
117600:17:02,753 --> 00:17:04,052
1177they came.
1178
1179249
118000:17:05,723 --> 00:17:08,090
1181Well, we can argue forever about
1182the validity of opinion polls,
1183
1184250
118500:17:08,092 --> 00:17:10,459
1186but what surely matters today
1187
1188251
118900:17:10,461 --> 00:17:13,028
1190is that this proposed war
1191by Britain
1192
1193252
119400:17:13,030 --> 00:17:15,798
1195is historically unpopular
1196
1197253
119800:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,067
1199and the mother of all
1200focus groups has descended.
1201
1202254
120300:17:18,069 --> 00:17:20,970
1204Hey, Martin.
1205We're now doing some real reporting.
1206
1207255
120800:17:20,972 --> 00:17:23,506
1209It's huge.
1210Police are saying over 500,000.
1211
1212256
121300:17:23,508 --> 00:17:25,574
1214Organizers are saying
1215over two million.
1216
1217257
121800:17:25,576 --> 00:17:27,143
1219So it will be
1220a million then?
1221
1222258
122300:17:27,145 --> 00:17:28,844
1224Well, it's everywhere.
1225Every country.
1226
1227259
122800:17:28,846 --> 00:17:31,279
1229Biggest demonstration
1230in human history.
1231
1232260
123300:17:31,281 --> 00:17:33,883
1234Roger, I filed this story
1235seven times.
1236
1237261
123800:17:33,885 --> 00:17:36,819
1239And seven times I have told
1240you I'm not going to print it.
1241
1242262
124300:17:36,821 --> 00:17:38,420
1244Ed, this paper
1245supports the war.
1246
1247263
124800:17:38,422 --> 00:17:40,022
1249Our sources support
1250the war, Kamal.
1251
1252264
125300:17:40,024 --> 00:17:42,525
1254All I'm asking is that
1255mine be given equal time.
1256
1257265
125800:17:42,527 --> 00:17:43,625
1259- Fair enough.
1260- Thank you.
1261
1262266
126300:17:43,627 --> 00:17:44,794
1264Well,
1265what do they say, Ed?
1266
1267267
126800:17:44,796 --> 00:17:46,695
1269That intelligence
1270is being manipulated
1271
1272268
127300:17:46,697 --> 00:17:49,199
1274to support an invasion that
1275Bush Junior's been pushing for
1276
1277269
127800:17:49,201 --> 00:17:51,700
1279ever since Saddam tried
1280to kill his daddy in '93.
1281
1282270
128300:17:51,702 --> 00:17:53,536
1284Oh, come on,
1285your source is retired.
1286
1287271
128800:17:53,538 --> 00:17:55,304
1289My source is ex-CIA!
1290
1291272
129200:17:55,306 --> 00:17:56,771
1293He talks to agents
1294every day
1295
1296273
129700:17:56,773 --> 00:17:58,540
1298and he's talking to me
1299on the record!
1300
1301274
130200:17:58,542 --> 00:18:01,676
1303Named source! Christ!
1304
1305275
130600:18:01,678 --> 00:18:03,779
1307If you're gonna encourage
1308a country to go to war,
1309
1310276
131100:18:03,781 --> 00:18:05,780
1312perhaps you should spend some
1313time on the front lines yourself!
1314
1315277
131600:18:05,782 --> 00:18:08,484
1317- That is a cheap shot, Ed.
1318- Is it?
1319
1320278
132100:18:08,486 --> 00:18:09,719
1322We're the press,
1323for God's sake,
1324
1325279
132600:18:09,721 --> 00:18:11,721
1327not a fucking PR agency
1328for Tony Blair.
1329
1330280
133100:18:11,723 --> 00:18:13,625
1332- That's enough!
1333- All right!
1334
1335281
133600:18:15,126 --> 00:18:16,659
1337You, go back
1338to the States.
1339
1340282
134100:18:16,661 --> 00:18:18,126
1342I want you to find me
1343something from a source
1344
1345283
134600:18:18,128 --> 00:18:19,728
1347who hasn't already retired
1348
1349284
135000:18:19,730 --> 00:18:21,564
1351and then maybe
1352I'll rethink it.
1353
1354285
135500:18:21,566 --> 00:18:23,165
1356You're doing a great job of it.
1357We just need some more.
1358
1359286
136000:18:23,167 --> 00:18:25,969
1361Yes, Peter.
1362Fuck you very much.
1363
1364287
136500:18:25,971 --> 00:18:27,237
1366And fewer words!
1367
1368288
136900:18:27,239 --> 00:18:30,105
1370If I ask for 500,
1371don't send me 3,000!
1372
1373289
137400:18:30,107 --> 00:18:32,974
1375This paper needs to take
1376its finger out of its arse
1377
1378290
137900:18:32,976 --> 00:18:35,577
1380and stop taking
1381Tony Blair's press releases
1382
1383291
138400:18:35,579 --> 00:18:37,146
1385at face fucking value!
1386
1387292
138800:18:37,148 --> 00:18:39,013
1389- Hear, hear.
1390- Abso-fucking-lutely.
1391
1392293
139300:18:39,015 --> 00:18:40,851
1394- Christ!
1395- You're too bloody right.
1396
1397294
139800:18:44,288 --> 00:18:46,122
1399Brighty,
1400where's my piece
1401
1402295
140300:18:46,124 --> 00:18:48,958
1404comparing Saddam to Milosevic?
1405I need 400 words.
1406
1407296
140800:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,294
1409Yeah. It's not really
1410a 400-word topic, Rog.
1411
1412297
141300:18:51,296 --> 00:18:54,329
1414Yeah, it is. We have a right
1415to intervene in the Balkans.
1416
1417298
141800:18:54,331 --> 00:18:55,463
1419We should do
1420the same in Iraq.
1421
1422299
142300:18:55,465 --> 00:18:56,865
1424Iraq's a little
1425more complicated.
1426
1427300
142800:18:56,867 --> 00:18:59,501
1429- You've got Suni and Shia...
1430- Oh, fuck Sonny and Cher!
1431
1432301
143300:18:59,503 --> 00:19:01,837
1434What is this?
1435"I got you babe?"
1436
1437302
143800:19:01,839 --> 00:19:04,306
1439Just give me 400 words the
1440average reader will understand.
1441
1442303
144300:19:04,308 --> 00:19:06,241
1444Milosevic bad.
1445Saddam bad.
1446
1447304
144800:19:06,243 --> 00:19:09,412
1449Just write a fucking story.
1450Stop overthinking it.
1451
1452305
145300:19:09,414 --> 00:19:10,615
1454All right.
1455
1456306
145700:19:15,919 --> 00:19:16,884
1458That was helpful.
1459
1460307
146100:19:16,886 --> 00:19:18,688
1462Just write the piece
1463as you see it, Martin,
1464
1465308
146600:19:18,690 --> 00:19:21,190
1467and we'll cut it down later
1468if we need to, all right?
1469
1470309
147100:19:21,192 --> 00:19:23,124
1472Okay. Thank you, Peter.
1473
1474310
147500:19:27,197 --> 00:19:28,430
1476Sonny and Cher.
1477
1478311
147900:19:31,502 --> 00:19:32,969
1480Martin Bright.
1481
1482312
148300:19:32,971 --> 00:19:34,804
1484I've got
1485something you need to see.
1486
1487313
148800:19:34,806 --> 00:19:37,675
1489It's big, Martin, really big.
1490
1491314
149200:19:39,409 --> 00:19:40,644
1493Yvonne?
1494
1495315
149600:19:46,416 --> 00:19:47,482
1497Yvonne?
1498
1499316
150000:19:53,191 --> 00:19:56,291
1501Martin. So good to see you.
1502
1503317
150400:19:56,293 --> 00:19:58,426
1505In an underground
1506car park?
1507
1508318
150900:19:58,428 --> 00:20:01,230
1510It's a little Deep Throat,
1511don't you think?
1512
1513319
151400:20:01,232 --> 00:20:03,068
1515- There's no signal down here.
1516- Right.
1517
1518320
151900:20:05,636 --> 00:20:07,571
1520Wait till you see this.
1521
1522321
152300:20:21,386 --> 00:20:23,951
1524- Who gave you this?
1525- Can't say.
1526
1527322
152800:20:23,953 --> 00:20:25,421
1529There's no info
1530saying who sent it.
1531
1532323
153300:20:25,423 --> 00:20:27,125
1534This could have been
1535written by anyone.
1536
1537324
153800:20:28,658 --> 00:20:30,928
1539- That's who wrote it.
1540- Well.
1541
1542325
154300:20:32,128 --> 00:20:33,662
1544Frank Koza.
1545
1546326
154700:20:33,664 --> 00:20:36,565
1548- Who the fuck is Frank Koza?
1549- NSA.
1550
1551327
155200:20:36,567 --> 00:20:38,867
1553And this I know
1554because the letters NSA
1555
1556328
155700:20:38,869 --> 00:20:41,970
1558have been written on the back
1559with a leaky ballpoint.
1560
1561329
156200:20:41,972 --> 00:20:43,939
1563My source says
1564the header wasn't printed
1565
1566330
156700:20:43,941 --> 00:20:46,678
1568to protect the recipients
1569at GCHQ.
1570
1571331
157200:20:48,646 --> 00:20:49,711
1573When did you get it?
1574
1575332
157600:20:49,713 --> 00:20:51,114
1577- Two weeks ago.
1578- Two weeks?
1579
1580333
158100:20:51,116 --> 00:20:53,515
1582I gave it to The Mirror first.
1583Sorry.
1584
1585334
158600:20:53,517 --> 00:20:55,785
1587Jesus. Why didn't
1588they run it?
1589
1590335
159100:20:55,787 --> 00:20:58,020
1592- They thought it was fake.
1593- No shit.
1594
1595336
159600:20:58,022 --> 00:21:01,056
1597- Is your source NSA?
1598- No. A friend of the recipient.
1599
1600337
160100:21:01,058 --> 00:21:03,459
1602- A good friend.
1603- A friend of a friend?
1604
1605338
160600:21:03,461 --> 00:21:06,429
1607A good friend
1608of a trusted friend.
1609
1610339
161100:21:06,431 --> 00:21:07,696
1612I'm sure it's real.
1613
1614340
161500:21:07,698 --> 00:21:09,365
1616Then why don't you
1617write the story?
1618
1619341
162000:21:09,367 --> 00:21:10,932
1621Oh, come on, Martin.
1622
1623342
162400:21:10,934 --> 00:21:13,905
1625I'm anti-war.
1626You're with The Observer.
1627
1628343
162900:21:14,704 --> 00:21:16,907
1630Just check it out.
1631
1632344
163300:21:31,422 --> 00:21:33,655
1634NSA Press Office.
1635How may I assist you?
1636
1637345
163800:21:33,657 --> 00:21:34,923
1639Yes, hi, hello there.
1640
1641346
164200:21:34,925 --> 00:21:37,593
1643This is Martin Bright
1644from The Observer in London.
1645
1646347
164700:21:37,595 --> 00:21:39,362
1648Um, I'd like to arrange
1649an interview
1650
1651348
165200:21:39,364 --> 00:21:41,029
1653with Mr. Frank Koza.
1654
1655349
165600:21:41,031 --> 00:21:43,532
1657May I speak
1658to his office, please?
1659
1660350
166100:21:43,534 --> 00:21:46,669
1662- I'm sorry, Mr. Bright?
1663- Martin Bright, yes.
1664
1665351
166600:21:46,671 --> 00:21:48,170
1667Yes. Who did you wanna get?
1668
1669352
167000:21:48,172 --> 00:21:51,906
1671Frank Koza, "Chief of Staff,
1672Regional Targets."
1673
1674353
167500:21:51,908 --> 00:21:53,776
1676Mr. Bright, I'm afraid
1677we can't confirm
1678
1679354
168000:21:53,778 --> 00:21:55,911
1681the names of people
1682who work here.
1683
1684355
168500:21:55,913 --> 00:21:57,446
1686Could you give me
1687a little more detail
1688
1689356
169000:21:57,448 --> 00:21:59,080
1691about the story
1692you're working on?
1693
1694357
169500:21:59,082 --> 00:22:02,451
1696Uh, well, no. That's something
1697I need to talk to Mr. Koza
1698
1699358
170000:22:02,453 --> 00:22:03,855
1701about directly, I'm afraid.
1702
1703359
170400:22:05,723 --> 00:22:08,557
1705Well, then I'm afraid
1706I'm not sure I can help you.
1707
1708360
170900:22:08,559 --> 00:22:09,825
1710When you have a little
1711more detail
1712
1713361
171400:22:09,827 --> 00:22:12,394
1715please feel free to call back.
1716
1717362
171800:22:12,396 --> 00:22:13,665
1719Yeah, well...
1720
1721363
172200:22:15,066 --> 00:22:16,598
1723Hello?
1724
1725364
172600:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,402
1727- You rang the NSA Press Office?
1728- Yeah.
1729
1730365
173100:22:19,404 --> 00:22:20,536
1732They have a press office.
1733
1734366
173500:22:20,538 --> 00:22:21,971
1736I thought that was
1737a good place to start.
1738
1739367
174000:22:21,973 --> 00:22:23,205
1741But you didn't
1742tell them anything?
1743
1744368
174500:22:23,207 --> 00:22:25,607
1746No, Peter.
1747I just asked for Frank Koza.
1748
1749369
175000:22:25,609 --> 00:22:27,076
1751Because if this is real,
1752you could go to jail
1753
1754370
175500:22:27,078 --> 00:22:29,978
1756just for having it
1757in your possession.
1758
1759371
176000:22:29,980 --> 00:22:31,814
1761I'm not letting this go.
1762It's too good a story.
1763
1764372
176500:22:31,816 --> 00:22:33,215
1766I agree,
1767but if you get it wrong
1768
1769373
177000:22:33,217 --> 00:22:35,417
1771it will sink you,
1772it will sink the paper.
1773
1774374
177500:22:35,419 --> 00:22:37,586
1776I'd like to get a credible
1777intelligence expert
1778
1779375
178000:22:37,588 --> 00:22:39,321
1781to offer a view
1782on the language.
1783
1784376
178500:22:39,323 --> 00:22:41,289
1786- Yeah.
1787- And I thought you could run it by
1788
1789377
179000:22:41,291 --> 00:22:42,793
1791your MI6 contact?
1792
1793378
179400:22:43,761 --> 00:22:45,761
1795- I don't have a MI6 contact.
1796- Sorry.
1797
1798379
179900:22:45,763 --> 00:22:47,831
1800I meant your
1801tennis club friend.
1802
1803380
180400:22:49,066 --> 00:22:49,964
1805Sure.
1806
1807381
180800:22:49,966 --> 00:22:51,799
1809I'll take it
1810to Admiral Wilkinson.
1811
1812382
181300:22:51,801 --> 00:22:53,634
1814Be careful.
1815Before we risk
1816
1817383
181800:22:53,636 --> 00:22:55,470
1819a D-notice
1820against publication
1821
1822384
182300:22:55,472 --> 00:22:59,275
1824I'd actually like confirmation
1825that Frank Koza exists.
1826
1827385
182800:22:59,277 --> 00:23:00,742
1829Do you think
1830it's authentic?
1831
1832386
183300:23:00,744 --> 00:23:02,478
1834Well, certainly
1835the words he used,
1836
1837387
183800:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,180
1839"TOPI," for example,
1840
1841388
184200:23:04,182 --> 00:23:05,981
1843few outside
1844of the security apparatus
1845
1846389
184700:23:05,983 --> 00:23:07,249
1848would know
1849what that means.
1850
1851390
185200:23:07,251 --> 00:23:08,384
1853What does it mean?
1854
1855391
185600:23:08,386 --> 00:23:10,452
1857Target of
1858primary interest.
1859
1860392
186100:23:10,454 --> 00:23:13,922
1862And this term,
1863"QRC surge effort,"
1864
1865393
186600:23:13,924 --> 00:23:15,457
1867that's NSA military speak
1868
1869394
187000:23:15,459 --> 00:23:19,228
1871for significant intensification
1872of surveillance operations.
1873
1874395
187500:23:19,230 --> 00:23:22,196
1876And this, where they ask
1877for "valuable information
1878
1879396
188000:23:22,198 --> 00:23:26,301
1881"from accesses
1882in your product lines..."
1883
1884397
188500:23:26,303 --> 00:23:29,438
1886...product lines
1887are intelligence sources.
1888
1889398
189000:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,739
1891So it's been
1892written by someone
1893
1894399
189500:23:30,741 --> 00:23:32,374
1896who's familiar
1897with security speak
1898
1899400
190000:23:32,376 --> 00:23:34,409
1901but that doesn't mean
1902it's definitely NSA.
1903
1904401
190500:23:34,411 --> 00:23:36,979
1906True, but there are no
1907obvious amateur mistakes.
1908
1909402
191000:23:36,981 --> 00:23:39,751
1911- Have you heard of Frank Koza?
1912- No.
1913
1914403
191500:23:41,985 --> 00:23:45,453
1916Paul, if we, if we wanted
1917to confirm that he exists...
1918
1919404
192000:23:45,455 --> 00:23:47,789
1921Oh, sorry.
1922I couldn't help you do that.
1923
1924405
192500:23:47,791 --> 00:23:49,090
1926Yeah, but if we wanted
1927to confirm that he...
1928
1929406
193000:23:49,092 --> 00:23:51,862
1931Well, my own sources
1932wouldn't ever trust me again.
1933
1934407
193500:23:52,797 --> 00:23:54,031
1936Understood.
1937
1938408
193900:23:55,566 --> 00:23:56,665
1940Understood.
1941
1942409
194300:23:59,336 --> 00:24:01,903
1944- What?
1945- Ed, Martin Bright.
1946
1947410
194800:24:01,905 --> 00:24:04,173
1949Martin, Christ,
1950I just got back to DC.
1951
1952411
195300:24:04,175 --> 00:24:05,807
1954Sorry, Peter and I
1955have something urgent
1956
1957412
195800:24:05,809 --> 00:24:06,909
1959that we'd like to run by you.
1960
1961413
196200:24:06,911 --> 00:24:08,943
1963Are you on speaker?
1964
1965414
196600:24:08,945 --> 00:24:10,412
1967We are now. Hey...
1968
1969415
197000:24:10,414 --> 00:24:13,414
1971Peter, you need to tell Roger
1972to publish what I'm filing.
1973
1974416
197500:24:13,416 --> 00:24:16,419
1976This paper can't be seen
1977to be supporting a war
1978
1979417
198000:24:16,421 --> 00:24:18,287
1981that we should be doing
1982everything in our power
1983
1984418
198500:24:18,289 --> 00:24:19,521
1986to expose as a con.
1987
1988419
198900:24:19,523 --> 00:24:21,891
1990A neocon.
1991A giant fucking con!
1992
1993420
199400:24:21,893 --> 00:24:23,992
1995Ed, that's why we're phoning.
1996We need your help.
1997
1998421
199900:24:23,994 --> 00:24:26,429
2000We have something
2001that might corroborate
2002
2003422
200400:24:26,431 --> 00:24:28,266
2005these things,
2006you could say.
2007
2008423
200900:24:38,509 --> 00:24:40,107
2010Hey. Sorry.
2011
2012424
201300:24:41,479 --> 00:24:42,711
2014- Do you wanna get lunch?
2015- What?
2016
2017425
201800:24:42,713 --> 00:24:44,578
2019Lunch. Eat.
2020Now. Yes.
2021
2022426
202300:24:44,580 --> 00:24:47,281
2024Oh, no,
2025I'm fine, thanks.
2026
2027427
202800:24:47,283 --> 00:24:49,551
2029- Are you all right?
2030- Yeah. Yeah. I'm good.
2031
2032428
203300:24:49,553 --> 00:24:51,053
2034It, um...
2035
2036429
203700:24:51,055 --> 00:24:53,321
2038This new BBC poll,
2039it says that less than one in ten people
2040
2041430
204200:24:53,323 --> 00:24:57,026
2043think it's right to attack
2044Iraq without a UN resolution.
2045
2046431
204700:24:57,028 --> 00:24:59,862
2048Which is why that memo was sent.
2049They need to twist arms.
2050
2051432
205200:24:59,864 --> 00:25:01,329
2053I don't think
2054it will make any difference.
2055
2056433
205700:25:01,331 --> 00:25:03,266
2058Most of the world
2059is against them.
2060
2061434
206200:25:04,299 --> 00:25:04,569
2063You wanna eat, eat.
2064
2065435
206600:25:08,505 --> 00:25:11,307
2067National Security
2068Agency. How may I direct your call?
2069
2070436
207100:25:11,309 --> 00:25:13,976
2072Hello, I'm returning
2073Frank Koza's call.
2074
2075437
207600:25:13,978 --> 00:25:15,477
2077My secretary said
2078it was urgent.
2079
2080438
208100:25:15,479 --> 00:25:17,613
2082I'm sorry.
2083Who are you trying to reach?
2084
2085439
208600:25:17,615 --> 00:25:20,015
2087Frank Koza.
2088Mr. Frank Koza.
2089
2090440
209100:25:20,017 --> 00:25:21,749
2092Sir, I'm sorry,
2093there's no one
2094
2095441
209600:25:21,751 --> 00:25:23,919
2097by that name
2098in the directory, sir.
2099
2100442
210100:25:23,921 --> 00:25:27,355
2102Oh, well, then that's odd.
2103He called me.
2104
2105443
210600:25:27,357 --> 00:25:31,359
2107I'm sorry, but I'll need
2108an extension number.
2109
2110444
211100:25:31,361 --> 00:25:33,228
2112Do you have
2113an extension number?
2114
2115445
211600:25:33,230 --> 00:25:34,497
2117Ah...
2118
2119446
212000:25:34,499 --> 00:25:36,365
2121Nah.
2122
2123447
212400:25:36,367 --> 00:25:38,834
2125Is there anything else
2126I can do for you?
2127
2128448
212900:25:38,836 --> 00:25:40,736
2130No. No.
2131
2132449
213300:25:40,738 --> 00:25:41,903
2134Thank you. Thank you.
2135
2136450
213700:25:41,905 --> 00:25:43,438
2138You have a nice day, sir.
2139
2140451
214100:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,442
2142You too.
2143
2144452
214500:25:46,344 --> 00:25:47,375
2146Fuck off.
2147
2148453
214900:25:47,377 --> 00:25:51,247
2150So I read the weapons
2151inspector's report.
2152
2153454
215400:25:51,249 --> 00:25:53,115
2155Oh, congratulations.
2156
2157455
215800:25:53,117 --> 00:25:55,284
2159That's more
2160than most MP's ever done.
2161
2162456
216300:25:55,286 --> 00:25:58,185
2164- Well, shit, that's depressing.
2165- Mmm-hmm. It is.
2166
2167457
216800:25:58,187 --> 00:26:00,422
2169Look, there are a few
2170pre-98 chemical weapons
2171
2172458
217300:26:00,424 --> 00:26:02,391
2174we have yet to be accounted
2175for but inspectors said
2176
2177459
217800:26:02,393 --> 00:26:04,058
2179they found absolutely
2180no evidence
2181
2182460
218300:26:04,060 --> 00:26:06,394
2184of an active chemical
2185or biological program.
2186
2187461
218800:26:06,396 --> 00:26:07,462
2189Correct.
2190
2191462
219200:26:07,464 --> 00:26:08,529
2193And yet Colin Powell presented
2194
2195463
219600:26:08,531 --> 00:26:10,164
2197clear evidence of mobile labs.
2198
2199464
220000:26:10,166 --> 00:26:13,602
2201His evidence may be based
2202on poor human intel
2203
2204465
220500:26:13,604 --> 00:26:15,237
2206from an Iraqi dissident.
2207
2208466
220900:26:15,239 --> 00:26:16,105
2210Really?
2211
2212467
221300:26:16,107 --> 00:26:17,205
2214The dissident
2215isn't our product
2216
2217468
221800:26:17,207 --> 00:26:19,076
2219and should not be seen
2220as our product.
2221
2222469
222300:26:20,610 --> 00:26:22,213
2224Whose product is he then?
2225
2226470
222700:26:24,248 --> 00:26:27,415
2228Look, Peter,
2229I didn't say this,
2230
2231471
223200:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,951
2233but there is concern
2234in certain quarters
2235
2236472
223700:26:29,953 --> 00:26:33,122
2238that intelligence
2239may be being manipulated
2240
2241473
224200:26:33,124 --> 00:26:35,024
2243to take this country to war.
2244
2245474
224600:26:35,026 --> 00:26:36,959
2247So why don't you tell
2248your journalists
2249
2250475
225100:26:36,961 --> 00:26:39,161
2252to stop being so bloody loyal
2253to Downing Street
2254
2255476
225600:26:39,163 --> 00:26:41,098
2257and start doing their job?
2258
2259477
226000:26:42,867 --> 00:26:44,068
2261Okay.
2262
2263478
226400:26:47,870 --> 00:26:50,705
2265Okay, what if I had
2266evidence that the NSA
2267
2268479
226900:26:50,707 --> 00:26:53,742
2270requested GCHQ to help
2271monitor private communications
2272
2273480
227400:26:53,744 --> 00:26:56,076
2275of the UN Security Council
2276delegates?
2277
2278481
227900:26:56,078 --> 00:26:57,880
2280- To what end?
2281- Bluntly?
2282
2283482
228400:26:57,882 --> 00:27:00,082
2285To blackmail them
2286into voting for war.
2287
2288483
228900:27:00,084 --> 00:27:01,717
2290I'm not with GCHQ.
2291
2292484
229300:27:01,719 --> 00:27:03,551
2294You're MI6,
2295you're on the same team.
2296
2297485
229800:27:03,553 --> 00:27:04,618
2299How did you
2300hear about this?
2301
2302486
230300:27:04,620 --> 00:27:06,421
2304A UN resolution for war
2305
2306487
230700:27:06,423 --> 00:27:08,891
2308would cover everyone's arse,
2309wouldn't it?
2310
2311488
231200:27:08,893 --> 00:27:11,792
2313No more asking your team
2314to sex up evidence of WMDs
2315
2316489
231700:27:11,794 --> 00:27:14,930
2318or the back-dodgy claims that
2319Britain was about to be attacked
2320
2321490
232200:27:14,932 --> 00:27:16,965
2323by Iraq within 45 minutes.
2324
2325491
232600:27:16,967 --> 00:27:19,067
2327And no chance of anyone
2328being charged with a war crime
2329
2330492
233100:27:19,069 --> 00:27:21,004
2332if it all goes tits up.
2333
2334493
233500:27:22,405 --> 00:27:23,838
2336What are you
2337asking me, Peter?
2338
2339494
234000:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,909
2341I'm asking
2342if you can confirm
2343
2344495
234500:27:26,911 --> 00:27:30,546
2346whether the NSA
2347instructed GCHQ
2348
2349496
235000:27:30,548 --> 00:27:33,617
2351to assist in spying on
2352Security Council delegates?
2353
2354497
235500:27:34,652 --> 00:27:37,318
2356You know I can't
2357answer that.
2358
2359498
236000:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,954
2361To do so would put me in breach
2362of the Official Secrets Act.
2363
2364499
236500:27:39,956 --> 00:27:42,459
2366To deny it would not.
2367
2368500
236900:27:44,328 --> 00:27:48,266
2370Well, I can neither confirm
2371nor deny.
2372
2373501
237400:27:52,469 --> 00:27:53,471
2375Okay.
2376
2377502
237800:27:54,672 --> 00:27:55,740
2379Let's play.
2380
2381503
238200:27:56,941 --> 00:27:59,277
2383- Change ends, idiot.
2384- Yes.
2385
2386504
238700:28:01,044 --> 00:28:02,611
2388Your serve.
2389
2390505
239100:28:02,613 --> 00:28:05,614
2392So the head of the CIA
2393tells Bush it's a slam dunk
2394
2395506
239600:28:05,616 --> 00:28:08,782
2397that Saddam has weapons
2398of mass destruction.
2399
2400507
240100:28:08,784 --> 00:28:10,685
2402- A slam dunk.
2403- Yes.
2404
2405508
240600:28:10,687 --> 00:28:12,654
2407- And that's not true?
2408- No.
2409
2410509
241100:28:12,656 --> 00:28:15,289
2412Meaning Saddam definitely
2413does not have weapons
2414
2415510
241600:28:15,291 --> 00:28:17,459
2417of mass destruction
2418or he may not.
2419
2420511
242100:28:17,461 --> 00:28:21,028
2422Meaning the intelligence
2423is sketchy at best
2424
2425512
242600:28:21,030 --> 00:28:22,798
2427and manufactured at worst.
2428
2429513
243000:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,999
2431And Tenet knows that?
2432
2433514
243400:28:25,001 --> 00:28:27,702
2435I've no doubt he knows that.
2436
2437515
243800:28:27,704 --> 00:28:29,871
2439I was with
2440the agency 24 years.
2441
2442516
244300:28:29,873 --> 00:28:33,541
2444I can tell you, folks over there
2445are really angry about this.
2446
2447517
244800:28:33,543 --> 00:28:35,277
2449Why?
2450
2451518
245200:28:35,279 --> 00:28:36,510
2453Why?
2454
2455519
245600:28:36,512 --> 00:28:38,513
2457Because the majority
2458of the analysts do not believe
2459
2460520
246100:28:38,515 --> 00:28:41,618
2462it's a slam dunk,
2463but no one wants to hear that.
2464
2465521
246600:28:42,519 --> 00:28:44,352
2467Not even the press.
2468
2469522
247000:28:44,354 --> 00:28:47,088
2471- Sorry, Mel.
2472- I'm sorry.
2473
2474523
247500:28:47,090 --> 00:28:48,658
2476I'm just mad as hell.
2477
2478524
247900:28:50,461 --> 00:28:51,993
2480Listen, I wanted
2481to talk to you today
2482
2483525
248400:28:51,995 --> 00:28:55,897
2485because I think I might finally
2486be onto something that...
2487
2488526
248900:28:55,899 --> 00:28:59,968
2490...that really support what
2491you've been saying for months.
2492
2493527
249400:28:59,970 --> 00:29:02,440
2495I need to talk to a man
2496called Frank Koza.
2497
2498528
249900:29:05,710 --> 00:29:07,375
2500He's NSA.
2501
2502529
250300:29:07,377 --> 00:29:09,280
2504Head of Regional Targets.
2505
2506530
250700:29:11,749 --> 00:29:12,817
2508You know him?
2509
2510531
251100:29:15,019 --> 00:29:17,085
2512I'm sorry, Ed.
2513
2514532
251500:29:17,087 --> 00:29:19,589
2516I can't give out
2517that kind of information.
2518
2519533
252000:29:41,846 --> 00:29:43,412
2521- What are you doing here?
2522- I'm sorry.
2523
2524534
252500:29:43,414 --> 00:29:44,880
2526- I didn't wanna call.
2527- How long have you been here?
2528
2529535
253000:29:44,882 --> 00:29:46,548
2531We're not supposed
2532to be meeting.
2533
2534536
253500:29:46,550 --> 00:29:48,482
2536I know, I've just...
2537
2538537
253900:29:48,484 --> 00:29:51,019
2540I've been following the news
2541and I haven't seen
2542
2543538
254400:29:51,021 --> 00:29:52,688
2545or heard anything
2546for three weeks.
2547
2548539
254900:29:52,690 --> 00:29:54,155
2550Okay, well,
2551I've given it to my contact
2552
2553540
255400:29:54,157 --> 00:29:55,857
2555and apparently,
2556she's having a very hard time
2557
2558541
255900:29:55,859 --> 00:29:58,463
2560getting the papers to
2561believe that it's not a fake.
2562
2563542
256400:30:00,430 --> 00:30:02,233
2565Oh, uh...
2566
2567543
256800:30:02,966 --> 00:30:05,800
2569Well, maybe that's okay.
2570
2571544
257200:30:05,802 --> 00:30:07,001
2573You know, I...
2574
2575545
257600:30:07,003 --> 00:30:08,170
2577Look, I mean,
2578all of the polls said
2579
2580546
258100:30:08,172 --> 00:30:09,471
2582everyone's against
2583the war, anyway
2584
2585547
258600:30:09,473 --> 00:30:11,874
2587and I, and I've
2588just been thinking...
2589
2590548
259100:30:11,876 --> 00:30:15,109
2592Look, I think
2593that I acted too rashly
2594
2595549
259600:30:15,111 --> 00:30:16,444
2597on impulse.
2598I didn't think...
2599
2600550
260100:30:16,446 --> 00:30:18,113
2602Jesus, Katharine,
2603is it a fake?
2604
2605551
260600:30:18,115 --> 00:30:19,615
2607Of course it's not a fake.
2608It's real.
2609
2610552
261100:30:19,617 --> 00:30:21,083
2612Well, then just go home!
2613
2614553
261500:30:21,085 --> 00:30:24,419
2616Okay, don't talk about this
2617to anyone, ever!
2618
2619554
262000:30:24,421 --> 00:30:25,490
2621Just...
2622
2623555
262400:30:27,424 --> 00:30:30,261
2625- Sorry.
2626- It's out of our hands now.
2627
2628556
262900:30:32,128 --> 00:30:33,330
2630Sorry.
2631
2632557
263300:30:35,299 --> 00:30:38,400
2634The truth is,
2635the whole document could be a fake.
2636
2637558
263800:30:38,402 --> 00:30:41,135
2639But we're satisfied
2640the language used is real.
2641
2642559
264300:30:41,137 --> 00:30:42,772
2644- It's fascinating.
2645- Yeah.
2646
2647560
264800:30:45,242 --> 00:30:47,942
2649Is this document actually
2650in your possession?
2651
2652561
265300:30:47,944 --> 00:30:50,211
2654Well, if it were, I'd be in
2655breach of the Official Secrets Act
2656
2657562
265800:30:50,213 --> 00:30:51,645
2659wouldn't I?
2660
2661563
266200:30:53,316 --> 00:30:55,049
2663So based on what might be
2664in this document...
2665
2666564
266700:30:55,051 --> 00:30:56,652
2668- That you don't have.
2669- That I don't yet have.
2670
2671565
267200:30:56,654 --> 00:30:58,319
2673But that you want
2674to print in your paper.
2675
2676566
267700:30:58,321 --> 00:31:00,654
2678If you don't issue a
2679D-notice against publication.
2680
2681567
268200:31:00,656 --> 00:31:02,156
2683Well, which I will
2684most certainly do
2685
2686568
268700:31:02,158 --> 00:31:04,392
2688if I think the publication
2689might in any way
2690
2691569
269200:31:04,394 --> 00:31:06,294
2693endanger the lives
2694of British people
2695
2696570
269700:31:06,296 --> 00:31:08,096
2698or British forces.
2699
2700571
270100:31:08,098 --> 00:31:09,897
2702- Understood.
2703- Good.
2704
2705572
270600:31:11,702 --> 00:31:12,703
2707Go on.
2708
2709573
271000:31:14,003 --> 00:31:16,003
2711Would you say
2712it were likely real
2713
2714574
271500:31:16,005 --> 00:31:18,039
2716or a forgery?
2717
2718575
271900:31:18,041 --> 00:31:20,241
2720What do you think?
2721
2722576
272300:31:20,243 --> 00:31:22,176
2724I think it could be a fake
2725
2726577
272700:31:22,178 --> 00:31:24,548
2728put out
2729by the anti-war movement...
2730
2731578
273200:31:25,682 --> 00:31:28,584
2733...or by a foreign agency
2734to embarrass the US.
2735
2736579
273700:31:28,586 --> 00:31:31,720
2738- Which agency?
2739- The Russians.
2740
2741580
274200:31:31,722 --> 00:31:33,355
2743I mean, the French
2744oppose the war, too,
2745
2746581
274700:31:33,357 --> 00:31:34,823
2748but I don't think
2749they'd do this.
2750
2751582
275200:31:34,825 --> 00:31:37,491
2753I think you might be
2754overthinking it as usual, Martin.
2755
2756583
275700:31:37,493 --> 00:31:40,530
2758- Meaning?
2759- You tell me.
2760
2761584
276200:31:41,999 --> 00:31:44,868
2763Well, meaning it could be
2764exactly what it says it is.
2765
2766585
276700:31:48,205 --> 00:31:50,505
2768You know, Martin,
2769I believe that all information
2770
2771586
277200:31:50,507 --> 00:31:53,978
2773collected in the name of the
2774public should be made public.
2775
2776587
277700:31:55,412 --> 00:31:58,113
2778The only question is, when.
2779
2780588
278100:31:58,115 --> 00:32:02,151
2782But in this case,
2783I don't have the luxury of time, Admiral.
2784
2785589
278600:32:02,153 --> 00:32:04,555
2787Powell just made
2788a very strong case for war.
2789
2790590
279100:32:05,255 --> 00:32:06,656
2792Yes, I see.
2793
2794591
279500:32:10,828 --> 00:32:13,561
2796I have also always believed
2797
2798592
279900:32:13,563 --> 00:32:16,431
2800that censorship
2801when called for
2802
2803593
280400:32:16,433 --> 00:32:20,605
2805should be based
2806on security issues alone...
2807
2808594
280900:32:22,239 --> 00:32:23,570
2810...not on whether
2811a news report
2812
2813595
281400:32:23,572 --> 00:32:25,508
2815might embarrass
2816a government.
2817
2818596
281900:32:30,146 --> 00:32:31,348
2820Thank you, Admiral.
2821
2822597
282300:32:32,649 --> 00:32:35,584
2824Ed,
2825it's Edie from the London office.
2826
2827598
282800:32:35,586 --> 00:32:37,352
2829I got a weird message for you
2830
2831599
283200:32:37,354 --> 00:32:39,121
2833from someone
2834who wouldn't give his name.
2835
2836600
283700:32:39,123 --> 00:32:42,691
2838He said you should call
2839extension 6727.
2840
2841601
284200:32:42,693 --> 00:32:45,759
2843Makes no sense to me,
2844but maybe to you.
2845
2846602
284700:32:45,761 --> 00:32:48,529
28486727. Good luck.
2849
2850603
285100:32:48,531 --> 00:32:49,931
2852- 6727.
2853- Bye-bye.
2854
2855604
285600:32:49,933 --> 00:32:53,971
28576727. 6727. 6727.
2858
2859605
286000:32:59,876 --> 00:33:01,309
28616727.
2862
2863606
286400:33:04,415 --> 00:33:06,614
2865NSA.
2866How may I direct your call?
2867
2868607
286900:33:06,616 --> 00:33:10,285
2870Hello.
2871Extension 6727, please.
2872
2873608
287400:33:10,287 --> 00:33:12,086
28756727?
2876
2877609
287800:33:12,088 --> 00:33:14,021
28796727, yes.
2880
2881610
288200:33:14,023 --> 00:33:15,025
2883One moment.
2884
2885611
288600:33:17,293 --> 00:33:18,695
2887Frank Koza's office.
2888
2889612
289000:33:20,496 --> 00:33:22,931
2891Hello, may I speak
2892to Mr. Frank Koza, please?
2893
2894613
289500:33:22,933 --> 00:33:23,798
2896Who shall I say is calling?
2897
2898614
289900:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,334
2900I can't say.
2901Just put me through.
2902
2903615
290400:33:26,336 --> 00:33:27,538
2905Yes, sir.
2906
2907616
290800:33:29,706 --> 00:33:30,840
2909Hello?
2910
2911617
291200:33:32,509 --> 00:33:35,243
2913Mr. Koza? Mr. Frank Koza?
2914
2915618
291600:33:35,245 --> 00:33:37,612
2917Yes. Who's calling?
2918
2919619
292000:33:37,614 --> 00:33:39,647
2921Mr. Koza,
2922my name is Ed Vulliamy.
2923
2924620
292500:33:39,649 --> 00:33:42,451
2926I work for The Observer
2927newspaper in London.
2928
2929621
293000:33:42,453 --> 00:33:45,990
2931I wanted to ask you about
2932a memo you sent to GCHQ.
2933
2934622
293500:33:49,925 --> 00:33:51,095
2936Mr. Koza?
2937
2938623
293900:33:55,031 --> 00:33:58,400
2940- Do you think this is real?
2941- Yes, they put me through.
2942
2943624
294400:33:58,402 --> 00:34:00,001
2945- To Frank Koza?
2946- Yes.
2947
2948625
294900:34:00,003 --> 00:34:02,104
2950And you spoke to him
2951directly, right, Ed?
2952
2953626
295400:34:02,106 --> 00:34:04,838
2955Well, we didn't exactly
2956have a conversation.
2957
2958627
295900:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,241
2960Did you speak to him or not?
2961Yes or no, Ed? Jesus.
2962
2963628
296400:34:07,243 --> 00:34:08,442
2965Yes, but he cut me off
2966
2967629
296800:34:08,444 --> 00:34:09,810
2969when I said I worked
2970for The Observer.
2971
2972630
297300:34:09,812 --> 00:34:12,814
2974But you're sure that he
2975exists, right, Ed?
2976
2977631
297800:34:12,816 --> 00:34:14,082
2979Hell yes, I'm sure!
2980
2981632
298200:34:14,084 --> 00:34:17,319
2983I said, "Mr. Koza?"
2984He said, "Yes, who's calling?"
2985
2986633
298700:34:17,321 --> 00:34:18,852
2988All right. Thank you, Ed.
2989
2990634
299100:34:18,854 --> 00:34:21,223
2992Try not to fuck
2993this one up, Roger.
2994
2995635
299600:34:21,225 --> 00:34:23,091
2997- Fuck off.
2998- You're welcome, anytime.
2999
3000636
300100:34:25,095 --> 00:34:27,696
3002- Hitler Diaries.
3003- What?
3004
3005637
300600:34:27,698 --> 00:34:30,098
3007I'm just saying it smells of a
3008forgery like the Hitler Diaries
3009
3010638
301100:34:30,100 --> 00:34:32,167
3012and, of course,
3013publishing those cost people their jobs.
3014
3015639
301600:34:32,169 --> 00:34:33,634
3017Which is precisely
3018why we're doing
3019
3020640
302100:34:33,636 --> 00:34:36,203
3022rigorous checking
3023on this, Kamal.
3024
3025641
302600:34:36,205 --> 00:34:38,339
3027- Who brought you this?
3028- Friend.
3029
3030642
303100:34:38,341 --> 00:34:40,341
3032- Someone from GCHQ?
3033- No.
3034
3035643
303600:34:40,343 --> 00:34:41,811
3037Then who?
3038
3039644
304000:34:44,747 --> 00:34:47,549
3041- Yvonne Ridley.
3042- Yvonne fucking Ridley!
3043
3044645
304500:34:47,551 --> 00:34:49,651
3046The woman who fell off
3047a donkey in Afghanistan
3048
3049646
305000:34:49,653 --> 00:34:51,319
3051at some Taliban checkpoint!
3052
3053647
305400:34:51,321 --> 00:34:53,120
3055Her arse over a tit
3056with a camera up her burka
3057
3058648
305900:34:53,122 --> 00:34:54,388
3060and then she
3061converted to Islam
3062
3063649
306400:34:54,390 --> 00:34:55,823
3065after she was released
3066by her kidnapper.
3067
3068650
306900:34:55,825 --> 00:34:57,459
3070None of which means
3071she's not right!
3072
3073651
307400:34:57,461 --> 00:34:58,660
3075She's anti-war!
3076
3077652
307800:34:58,662 --> 00:35:01,162
3079She probably typed
3080the fucking thing herself.
3081
3082653
308300:35:01,164 --> 00:35:03,665
3084Martin, you realize the
3085legal risks we'll be taking?
3086
3087654
308800:35:03,667 --> 00:35:04,799
3089Yes.
3090
3091655
309200:35:04,801 --> 00:35:05,966
3093The last time we
3094published anything like this
3095
3096656
309700:35:05,968 --> 00:35:07,669
3098you and Roger
3099almost went to prison.
3100
3101657
310200:35:07,671 --> 00:35:09,238
3103Jan, the last time
3104our source claimed
3105
3106658
310700:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,973
3108MI6 had funded an attempted
3109assassination on Gaddafi.
3110
3111659
311200:35:11,975 --> 00:35:13,642
3113This document
3114doesn't accuse anyone
3115
3116660
311700:35:13,644 --> 00:35:15,576
3118of doing anything
3119remotely like that.
3120
3121661
312200:35:15,578 --> 00:35:19,046
3123No, it merely suggests
3124that the US government,
3125
3126662
312700:35:19,048 --> 00:35:22,616
3128with the help of Great Britain,
3129might try to twist arms
3130
3131663
313200:35:22,618 --> 00:35:25,653
3133and threaten UN delegates
3134into voting for a war in Iraq.
3135
3136664
313700:35:25,655 --> 00:35:27,792
3138It's a hell
3139of a story.
3140
3141665
314200:35:31,995 --> 00:35:33,627
3143Look, we know Koza exists.
3144
3145666
314600:35:33,629 --> 00:35:35,830
3147Beaver says the language
3148used is authentic.
3149
3150667
315100:35:35,832 --> 00:35:37,633
3152And Wilkinson says
3153that while publication
3154
3155668
315600:35:37,635 --> 00:35:38,901
3157may embarrass
3158both governments,
3159
3160669
316100:35:38,903 --> 00:35:40,701
3162he doesn't believe
3163that it poses a security risk
3164
3165670
316600:35:40,703 --> 00:35:42,803
3167to the British people
3168or the armed forces.
3169
3170671
317100:35:42,805 --> 00:35:44,138
3172Ironically,
3173publication may actually
3174
3175672
317600:35:44,140 --> 00:35:46,107
3177prevent a war
3178and save lives.
3179
3180673
318100:35:46,109 --> 00:35:48,176
3182- Well.
3183- MI6?
3184
3185674
318600:35:48,178 --> 00:35:51,581
3187Would not confirm but did not deny.
3188
3189675
319000:35:53,350 --> 00:35:54,915
3191Jan, where are we legally?
3192
3193676
319400:35:54,917 --> 00:35:56,817
3195Wilkinson may not issue
3196a D-Notice
3197
3198677
319900:35:56,819 --> 00:35:59,220
3200but that doesn't stop Special
3201Branch from coming after us.
3202
3203678
320400:35:59,222 --> 00:36:02,423
3205- Thank you.
3206- Legally, we have a top secret document
3207
3208679
320900:36:02,425 --> 00:36:03,693
3210in our possession.
3211
3212680
321300:36:07,129 --> 00:36:09,430
3214Look, Rog, don't forget
3215
3216681
321700:36:09,432 --> 00:36:11,098
3218we're getting
3219detailed information
3220
3221682
322200:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,868
3223directly
3224from Blair's office.
3225
3226683
322700:36:12,870 --> 00:36:14,701
3228- Fuck off.
3229- Well, he's right.
3230
3231684
323200:36:14,703 --> 00:36:17,339
3233Printing this kind of story
3234would kill that relationship.
3235
3236685
323700:36:17,341 --> 00:36:19,975
3238Since when did this paper
3239prioritize political access
3240
3241686
324200:36:19,977 --> 00:36:21,977
3243over its own
3244investigative reporting?
3245
3246687
324700:36:21,979 --> 00:36:24,546
3248- Yes.
3249- We have taken a position on this, guys!
3250
3251688
325200:36:24,548 --> 00:36:26,183
3253We support the war.
3254
3255689
325600:36:28,350 --> 00:36:30,488
3257Yes. We do.
3258
3259690
326000:36:31,955 --> 00:36:33,120
3261Fuck.
3262
3263691
326400:36:33,122 --> 00:36:35,059
3265But Peter's right.
3266
3267692
326800:36:35,825 --> 00:36:37,995
3269This is a fucking good story.
3270
3271693
327200:36:48,972 --> 00:36:50,207
3273Thank you, Roger.
3274
3275694
327600:36:54,077 --> 00:36:55,111
3277Here we go.
3278
3279695
328000:37:07,323 --> 00:37:08,957
3281Wait, I'll come with you.
3282
3283696
328400:37:08,959 --> 00:37:10,390
3285I'm just going to go
3286get some milk.
3287
3288697
328900:37:10,392 --> 00:37:11,892
3290Go back to bed.
3291I'll bring you a coffee.
3292
3293698
329400:37:11,894 --> 00:37:12,929
3295Okay.
3296
3297699
329800:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,043
3299- Hi.
3300- Morning.
3301
3302700
330300:37:43,993 --> 00:37:45,095
3304Hey.
3305
3306701
330700:37:52,669 --> 00:37:54,138
3308What's the matter, janum?
3309
3310702
331100:37:59,508 --> 00:38:00,711
3312What's going on?
3313
3314703
331500:38:08,651 --> 00:38:10,484
3316- Bravo, Martin.
3317- Ah, there he is.
3318
3319704
332000:38:10,486 --> 00:38:11,886
3321Well done.
3322
3323705
332400:38:13,790 --> 00:38:16,625
3325- Here he is!
3326- Nice one, Martin.
3327
3328706
332900:38:23,033 --> 00:38:26,767
3330Brighty, congratulations.
3331
3332707
333300:38:26,769 --> 00:38:28,270
3334Bloody brilliant.
3335
3336708
333700:38:28,272 --> 00:38:30,203
3338- Thank you.
3339- What have you got for me next?
3340
3341709
334200:38:30,205 --> 00:38:32,240
3343Every major
3344European paper is citing us
3345
3346710
334700:38:32,242 --> 00:38:34,810
3348and we've had calls
3349in from CNN, NBC, and Fox.
3350
3351711
335200:38:34,812 --> 00:38:36,544
3353They all want to interview you
3354for their morning shows
3355
3356712
335700:38:36,546 --> 00:38:37,946
3358when they wake up in the US.
3359
3360713
336100:38:37,948 --> 00:38:39,145
3362Any response
3363from Downing Street?
3364
3365714
336600:38:39,147 --> 00:38:41,885
3367We got a call in,
3368but they're scrambling.
3369
3370715
337100:38:45,689 --> 00:38:46,957
3372Martin, line 2.
3373
3374716
337500:38:48,524 --> 00:38:49,792
3376Martin Bright.
3377
3378717
337900:38:51,227 --> 00:38:53,262
3380Thank you. Thank you.
3381
3382718
338300:38:54,062 --> 00:38:55,330
3384No.
3385
3386719
338700:38:55,332 --> 00:38:57,701
3388Uh, no, the person who leaked
3389it hasn't been identified.
3390
3391720
339200:39:00,502 --> 00:39:02,569
3393Why'd you do it?
3394
3395721
339600:39:02,571 --> 00:39:04,205
3397I just thought
3398that they'd investigate.
3399
3400722
340100:39:04,207 --> 00:39:06,240
3402I never expected them
3403to print the whole memo.
3404
3405723
340600:39:06,242 --> 00:39:07,542
3407Why didn't you tell me?
3408
3409724
341000:39:07,544 --> 00:39:10,147
3411Sorry, I didn't,
3412I didn't, I...
3413
3414725
341500:39:11,147 --> 00:39:12,747
3416I thought that you would try
3417and talk me out of it
3418
3419726
342000:39:12,749 --> 00:39:13,814
3421and I didn't want you to.
3422
3423727
342400:39:13,816 --> 00:39:15,482
3425- My God, janum.
3426- I'm so sorry.
3427
3428728
342900:39:15,484 --> 00:39:16,854
3430They don't
3431mention your name?
3432
3433729
343400:39:18,754 --> 00:39:22,126
3435- I haven't told anyone.
3436- Good. That's good.
3437
3438730
343900:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,830
3440That's very kind.
3441All right, thank you.
3442
3443731
344400:39:28,397 --> 00:39:31,466
3445Why don't you get in touch
3446with your friend Tony, Kamal?
3447
3448732
344900:39:31,468 --> 00:39:34,069
3450- Ask him if he has an opinion.
3451- That's not funny, Rog.
3452
3453733
345400:39:34,071 --> 00:39:35,069
3455- Martin?
3456- Yes?
3457
3458734
345900:39:35,071 --> 00:39:37,305
3460NBC just canceled
3461your interview.
3462
3463735
346400:39:37,307 --> 00:39:38,375
3465What?
3466
3467736
346800:39:39,843 --> 00:39:42,642
3469NBC no longer wished
3470to interview Martin.
3471
3472737
347300:39:42,644 --> 00:39:44,979
3474Did they say why?
3475
3476738
347700:39:44,981 --> 00:39:46,647
3478They just said sorry,
3479but they didn't think
3480
3481739
348200:39:46,649 --> 00:39:48,281
3483they could
3484fit you in anymore.
3485
3486740
348700:39:48,283 --> 00:39:49,417
3488Really?
3489
3490741
349100:39:49,419 --> 00:39:52,654
3492Brighty, reporter
3493from Santiago.
3494
3495742
349600:39:52,656 --> 00:39:54,692
3497Thank you. Martin Bright.
3498
3499743
350000:39:56,559 --> 00:39:57,825
3501Ah, uh. No.
3502
3503744
350400:39:57,827 --> 00:39:59,528
3505At this stage,
3506we have no idea what information
3507
3508745
350900:39:59,530 --> 00:40:01,263
3510was gathered from Chile
3511or any of the other countries.
3512
3513746
351400:40:01,265 --> 00:40:02,529
3515- Peter.
3516- Yeah?
3517
3518747
351900:40:02,531 --> 00:40:04,732
3520Fox says that
3521they have to cancel.
3522
3523748
352400:40:04,734 --> 00:40:05,933
3525What? Why?
3526
3527749
352800:40:05,935 --> 00:40:08,602
3529Uh, yeah, Mexico
3530is furious too.
3531
3532750
353300:40:08,604 --> 00:40:09,937
3534Okay.
3535Thank you.
3536
3537751
353800:40:09,939 --> 00:40:11,404
3539- Martin?
3540- Yes?
3541
3542752
354300:40:11,406 --> 00:40:13,142
3544I've got a producer
3545from CNN.
3546
3547753
354800:40:15,446 --> 00:40:16,447
3549Martin Bright.
3550
3551754
355200:40:19,249 --> 00:40:20,250
3553I see.
3554
3555755
355600:40:22,084 --> 00:40:24,454
3557No. No, no. No, no.
3558That's all right.
3559
3560756
356100:40:25,589 --> 00:40:26,720
3562Ah...
3563
3564757
356500:40:26,722 --> 00:40:28,024
3566May I ask why?
3567
3568758
356900:40:29,658 --> 00:40:31,828
3570Yes, I stand by it.
3571Of course I stand by it.
3572
3573759
357400:40:32,729 --> 00:40:34,064
3575The Drudge Report?
3576
3577760
357800:40:37,434 --> 00:40:38,435
3579Yeah.
3580
3581761
358200:40:39,401 --> 00:40:41,069
3583All right, okay.
3584
3585762
358600:40:41,071 --> 00:40:43,470
3587What the fuck is going on?
3588
3589763
359000:41:00,122 --> 00:41:01,221
3591It's fake.
3592
3593764
359400:41:01,223 --> 00:41:03,057
3595We've printed
3596a fake fucking memo
3597
3598765
359900:41:03,059 --> 00:41:05,261
3600from Yvonne
3601fucking Ridley!
3602
3603766
360400:41:09,798 --> 00:41:13,634
3605Oh, you fucking idiot.
3606There. You see it?
3607
3608767
360900:41:13,636 --> 00:41:15,303
3610Because the Americans did.
3611
3612768
361300:41:15,305 --> 00:41:18,205
3614Favourable. F-A-V-O-U-R.
3615
3616769
361700:41:18,207 --> 00:41:23,111
3618Some English cunt has tried
3619to fake an American NSA memo
3620
3621770
362200:41:23,113 --> 00:41:25,580
3623and you fucking schmucks
3624fell for it.
3625
3626771
362700:41:25,582 --> 00:41:27,818
3628Wait. Martin,
3629where's the original?
3630
3631772
363200:41:28,818 --> 00:41:29,884
3633Where's the original document?
3634
3635773
363600:41:29,886 --> 00:41:31,187
3637Jesus.
3638
3639774
364000:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,464
3641- American spelling.
3642- What?
3643
3644775
364500:41:44,466 --> 00:41:46,235
3646The original
3647has American spelling.
3648
3649776
365000:41:48,271 --> 00:41:50,537
3651And this is
3652what I filed, see?
3653
3654777
365500:41:50,539 --> 00:41:52,173
3656Favorable. O-R.
3657
3658778
365900:41:52,175 --> 00:41:53,908
3660Just like the original.
3661Not O-U-R.
3662
3663779
366400:41:53,910 --> 00:41:56,914
3665And recognize with a Z,
3666not an S.
3667
3668780
366900:42:01,484 --> 00:42:03,319
3670Who changed what I wrote?
3671
3672781
367300:42:06,756 --> 00:42:08,055
3674Who...
3675
3676782
367700:42:08,057 --> 00:42:09,189
3678Who changed
3679what I fucking wrote?
3680
3681783
368200:42:09,191 --> 00:42:11,360
3683Come on, speak up!
3684Who did this?
3685
3686784
368700:42:24,539 --> 00:42:26,309
3688Nicole,
3689what did you do?
3690
3691785
369200:42:28,276 --> 00:42:29,512
3693I, um...
3694
3695786
369600:42:31,546 --> 00:42:33,316
3697I ran it through spell check.
3698
3699787
370000:42:37,754 --> 00:42:40,057
3701- Spell check?
3702- Jesus.
3703
3704788
370500:42:41,290 --> 00:42:43,890
3706That's what I always do.
3707I'm so sorry.
3708
3709789
371000:42:43,892 --> 00:42:45,660
3711Do not cry, Nicole.
3712
3713790
371400:42:45,662 --> 00:42:48,131
3715Do not fucking cry.
3716
3717791
371800:42:53,135 --> 00:42:54,935
3719Okay, well, we know
3720that it's not fake.
3721
3722792
372300:42:54,937 --> 00:42:57,805
3724We go online, we explain what
3725happened, we call all of the networks.
3726
3727793
372800:42:57,807 --> 00:42:59,173
3729Stop it, Martin.
3730
3731794
373200:42:59,175 --> 00:43:01,843
3733Fuck, Rog, it was
3734an honest mistake.
3735
3736795
373700:43:01,845 --> 00:43:04,011
3738Don't be so naive.
3739
3740796
374100:43:04,013 --> 00:43:07,247
3742You're an American editor.
3743What story do you put out now?
3744
3745797
374600:43:07,249 --> 00:43:10,319
3747That The Observer is
3748doubling down on a fake memo?
3749
3750798
375100:43:11,287 --> 00:43:13,053
3752Or that the staff
3753of this newspaper
3754
3755799
375600:43:13,055 --> 00:43:16,492
3757are really so
3758colossally stupid!
3759
3760800
376100:43:29,972 --> 00:43:33,042
3762It's all right.
3763Would you like a cup of tea?
3764
3765801
376600:43:53,763 --> 00:43:55,663
3767Someone in this building
3768
3769802
377000:43:55,665 --> 00:44:00,133
3771has betrayed their government
3772and their country.
3773
3774803
377500:44:00,135 --> 00:44:03,037
3776Now I'm sure it wasn't
3777anyone in this division,
3778
3779804
378000:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,638
3781but starting today,
3782
3783805
378400:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,908
3785Internal Security will be
3786conducting interviews
3787
3788806
378900:44:07,910 --> 00:44:10,712
3790with each
3791and every one of you.
3792
3793807
379400:44:10,714 --> 00:44:14,214
3795If you know anything
3796or suspect anyone,
3797
3798808
379900:44:14,216 --> 00:44:17,917
3800it is your sworn duty
3801to speak up.
3802
3803809
380400:44:17,919 --> 00:44:20,388
3805If you do not
3806and you are found to have
3807
3808810
380900:44:20,390 --> 00:44:22,790
3810withheld information
3811of any kind,
3812
3813811
381400:44:22,792 --> 00:44:25,292
3815you will be charged
3816with a breach
3817
3818812
381900:44:25,294 --> 00:44:28,197
3820of the Official Secrets Act.
3821
3822813
382300:45:16,446 --> 00:45:19,580
3824You should see the file
3825that tosser's got on me.
3826
3827814
382800:45:19,582 --> 00:45:21,417
3829- What did he ask you?
3830- Katharine!
3831
3832815
383300:45:32,095 --> 00:45:33,629
3834Come in, Katharine.
3835
3836816
383700:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,966
3838- Katharine Gun?
3839- Yes?
3840
3841817
384200:45:39,968 --> 00:45:42,671
3843I'm John from
3844Internal Security. Please.
3845
3846818
384700:45:56,019 --> 00:45:58,055
3848Mandarin translator.
3849
3850819
385100:45:58,620 --> 00:46:01,656
3852GCHQ for two years.
3853
3854820
385500:46:01,658 --> 00:46:04,024
3856- Yes.
3857- And before that?
3858
3859821
386000:46:04,026 --> 00:46:06,259
3861I taught English
3862to Japanese students.
3863
3864822
386500:46:06,261 --> 00:46:08,231
3866- Hiroshima, right?
3867- Yes.
3868
3869823
387000:46:09,097 --> 00:46:10,897
3871Interesting.
3872
3873824
387400:46:10,899 --> 00:46:13,868
3875Did you visit the memorial?
3876
3877825
387800:46:13,870 --> 00:46:15,035
3879The peace memorial?
3880
3881826
388200:46:15,037 --> 00:46:17,274
3883To the people
3884killed by the atomic bomb?
3885
3886827
388700:46:19,042 --> 00:46:20,808
3888Yes, actually, I did.
3889
3890828
389100:46:20,810 --> 00:46:21,845
3892It's, uh...
3893
3894829
389500:46:23,412 --> 00:46:24,745
3896It's something
3897you really have to see.
3898
3899830
390000:46:24,747 --> 00:46:26,149
3901It's very moving.
3902
3903831
390400:46:28,450 --> 00:46:31,718
3905Compels one to think
3906about the consequences of war,
3907
3908832
390900:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,888
3910doesn't it?
3911
3912833
391300:46:33,890 --> 00:46:37,424
3914- Yes, I suppose it does.
3915- Are you anti-war, Katharine?
3916
3917834
391800:46:37,426 --> 00:46:38,558
3919No.
3920
3921835
392200:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,765
3923Uh, I think
3924sometimes war is necessary.
3925
3926836
392700:46:46,903 --> 00:46:49,002
3928I see you lived in Taiwan
3929as a child?
3930
3931837
393200:46:49,004 --> 00:46:51,205
3933- Yes.
3934- How long did you live there?
3935
3936838
393700:46:51,207 --> 00:46:53,040
3938We moved over
3939when I was three.
3940
3941839
394200:46:53,042 --> 00:46:55,308
3943I came back
3944to do my A-levels.
3945
3946840
394700:46:55,310 --> 00:46:56,678
3948So for most
3949of your childhood then?
3950
3951841
395200:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,681
3953Yes.
3954
3955842
395600:46:59,115 --> 00:47:00,781
3957You had
3958a religious upbringing?
3959
3960843
396100:47:00,783 --> 00:47:02,015
3962No, not particularly.
3963
3964844
396500:47:02,017 --> 00:47:03,149
3966But were you sent away
3967
3968845
396900:47:03,151 --> 00:47:05,386
3970to a Christian missionary
3971school in Taiwan?
3972
3973846
397400:47:05,388 --> 00:47:06,419
3975Yes.
3976
3977847
397800:47:06,421 --> 00:47:08,388
3979Gave you a clear sense
3980of right and wrong, did it,
3981
3982848
398300:47:08,390 --> 00:47:09,624
3984being in a mission school?
3985
3986849
398700:47:09,626 --> 00:47:10,991
3988I think my parents
3989gave me that.
3990
3991850
399200:47:12,127 --> 00:47:13,463
3993Did you leak
3994the Koza e-mail?
3995
3996851
399700:47:14,698 --> 00:47:15,997
3998- No.
3999- No?
4000
4001852
400200:47:15,999 --> 00:47:17,200
4003No.
4004
4005853
400600:47:19,234 --> 00:47:20,700
4007- But you read it?
4008- Yes.
4009
4010854
401100:47:20,702 --> 00:47:23,270
4012I mean, it was sent to me,
4013so I read it.
4014
4015855
401600:47:23,272 --> 00:47:25,908
4017What were your immediate
4018thoughts after you read it?
4019
4020856
402100:47:27,142 --> 00:47:28,709
4022Nothing much.
4023It didn't really bother me.
4024
4025857
402600:47:28,711 --> 00:47:30,847
4027- It didn't?
4028- No.
4029
4030858
403100:47:33,249 --> 00:47:35,651
4032Who do you think
4033might have leaked it?
4034
4035859
403600:47:39,821 --> 00:47:42,122
4037- I have no idea.
4038- No?
4039
4040860
404100:47:42,124 --> 00:47:44,024
4042- No.
4043- No?
4044
4045861
404600:47:44,026 --> 00:47:45,227
4047No.
4048
4049862
405000:47:47,863 --> 00:47:49,598
4051Thank you, Mrs. Gun.
4052
4053863
405400:47:50,700 --> 00:47:52,468
4055That's all for now.
4056
4057864
405800:47:58,908 --> 00:48:00,874
4059Eat a little.
4060
4061865
406200:48:00,876 --> 00:48:01,877
4063Please.
4064
4065866
406600:48:04,546 --> 00:48:07,716
4067They're bringing everyone in.
4068One by one.
4069
4070867
407100:48:11,321 --> 00:48:12,756
4072You haven't said anything?
4073
4074868
407500:48:14,089 --> 00:48:15,858
4076Okay. Just eat a little.
4077
4078869
407900:48:19,461 --> 00:48:21,463
4080Everything
4081will be all right.
4082
4083870
408400:48:26,001 --> 00:48:27,203
4085Eat.
4086
4087871
408800:48:35,144 --> 00:48:37,211
4089Hi, Fiona, it's Katharine.
4090
4091872
409200:48:37,213 --> 00:48:38,779
4093Um...
4094
4095873
409600:48:38,781 --> 00:48:39,879
4097I'm so sorry
4098
4099874
410000:48:39,881 --> 00:48:42,450
4101but I don't think I'm gonna
4102be able to come in today.
4103
4104875
410500:48:42,452 --> 00:48:45,354
4106Yeah, I think
4107I've caught a tummy bug.
4108
4109876
411000:48:47,156 --> 00:48:48,358
4111Yeah.
4112
4113877
411400:48:49,658 --> 00:48:51,158
4115Thank you.
4116
4117878
411800:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,394
4119Thank you so much.
4120
4121879
412200:48:53,396 --> 00:48:54,964
4123What'd she say?
4124
4125880
412600:48:56,066 --> 00:48:57,765
4127She said
4128I should get some rest.
4129
4130881
413100:48:57,767 --> 00:48:59,265
4132Good.
4133
4134882
413500:48:59,267 --> 00:49:01,370
4136- She was nice.
4137- That's good.
4138
4139883
414000:49:03,807 --> 00:49:04,874
4141Try and sleep.
4142
4143884
414400:49:08,077 --> 00:49:09,845
4145Sorry, I have to go.
4146
4147885
414800:49:21,890 --> 00:49:25,158
4149...ask you about a
4150report in The Observer newspaper
4151
4152886
415300:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,160
4154in London, a memo
4155
4156887
415700:49:27,162 --> 00:49:30,698
4158reported to be from a man
4159who actually works at the NSA
4160
4161888
416200:49:30,700 --> 00:49:34,634
4163in which he describes
4164a "surge in surveillance
4165
4166889
416700:49:34,636 --> 00:49:37,370
4168"of UN Security Council
4169members."
4170
4171890
417200:49:37,372 --> 00:49:38,506
4173What's your response?
4174
4175891
417600:49:38,508 --> 00:49:41,241
4177Terry, as a matter
4178of long-standing policy
4179
4180892
418100:49:41,243 --> 00:49:43,509
4182the administration
4183never comments on anything
4184
4185893
418600:49:43,511 --> 00:49:46,881
4187involving any people
4188involved in intelligence.
4189
4190894
419100:49:46,883 --> 00:49:49,582
4192- No, of course, you don't.
4193- What the fuck?
4194
4195895
419600:49:49,584 --> 00:49:51,651
4197If you're
4198a Cameroonian diplomat
4199
4200896
420100:49:51,653 --> 00:49:54,087
4202or a French diplomat
4203at the United Nations
4204
4205897
420600:49:54,089 --> 00:49:55,689
4207then you're gonna have
4208to operate on the assumption
4209
4210898
421100:49:55,691 --> 00:49:56,857
4212that the United States
4213is bugging you.
4214
4215899
421600:49:56,859 --> 00:49:59,493
4217No, it's a blanket matter
4218of policy
4219
4220900
422100:49:59,495 --> 00:50:02,263
4222that we do not answer
4223questions of that nature...
4224
4225901
422600:50:02,265 --> 00:50:03,863
4227- Hi.
4228- Hi.
4229
4230902
423100:50:03,865 --> 00:50:06,100
4232...I'm not indicating to you
4233whether it's true or not true.
4234
4235903
423600:50:06,102 --> 00:50:07,500
4237Have you eaten?
4238
4239904
424000:50:07,502 --> 00:50:10,970
4241...of policy that predates
4242this administration.
4243
4244905
424500:50:10,972 --> 00:50:14,410
4246I brought soup. A bean salad.
4247
4248906
424900:50:15,410 --> 00:50:16,912
4250I'm gonna say it was me.
4251
4252907
425300:50:18,347 --> 00:50:21,182
4254The Americans are refusing to
4255admit that the memo was real.
4256
4257908
425800:50:21,184 --> 00:50:23,250
4259- I have to tell the truth.
4260- No.
4261
4262909
426300:50:23,252 --> 00:50:26,520
4264If I don't, then they'll get
4265away with saying it was a fake.
4266
4267910
426800:50:26,522 --> 00:50:29,624
4269Janum, you did what you could.
4270Now leave it alone, please!
4271
4272911
427300:50:29,626 --> 00:50:30,691
4274What am I supposed to do?
4275
4276912
427700:50:30,693 --> 00:50:32,426
4278Am I supposed
4279to keep lying forever?
4280
4281913
428200:50:32,428 --> 00:50:34,261
4283If you say nothing,
4284they can never prove anything.
4285
4286914
428700:50:34,263 --> 00:50:36,129
4288They are questioning
4289everyone at work.
4290
4291915
429200:50:36,131 --> 00:50:37,296
4293They're interrogating
4294my friends.
4295
4296916
429700:50:37,298 --> 00:50:38,832
4298They're asking people
4299to name names.
4300
4301917
430200:50:38,834 --> 00:50:42,201
4303- That will be over soon.
4304- And then what?
4305
4306918
430700:50:42,203 --> 00:50:43,638
4308There will be a question mark
4309
4310919
431100:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,038
4312in hundreds of people's files
4313because of me.
4314
4315920
431600:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,341
4317They will put you in jail!
4318
4319921
432000:50:48,343 --> 00:50:49,676
4321I have to prove
4322it was real.
4323
4324922
432500:50:49,678 --> 00:50:50,877
4326Everyone at work knows that
4327
4328923
432900:50:50,879 --> 00:50:53,113
4330what the NSA
4331asked us to do was illegal.
4332
4333924
433400:50:53,115 --> 00:50:54,983
4335- Nobody cares!
4336- Well, I care!
4337
4338925
433900:50:57,318 --> 00:50:59,185
4340If I don't say it was me,
4341then we'll go to war
4342
4343926
434400:50:59,187 --> 00:51:01,488
4345based on blackmail
4346and lies.
4347
4348927
434900:51:01,490 --> 00:51:03,626
4350And I can't live
4351with that. I won't.
4352
4353928
435400:51:05,627 --> 00:51:07,629
4355Janum, please listen to me.
4356
4357929
435800:51:08,964 --> 00:51:09,930
4359I work at a cafe.
4360
4361930
436200:51:09,932 --> 00:51:11,832
4363I took the job
4364because I needed a job.
4365
4366931
436700:51:11,834 --> 00:51:13,667
4368But it's just a job.
4369
4370932
437100:51:13,669 --> 00:51:16,002
4372You did the same thing,
4373remember?
4374
4375933
437600:51:16,004 --> 00:51:18,104
4377When you saw the advert,
4378you said you didn't even know
4379
4380934
438100:51:18,106 --> 00:51:19,842
4382what the job really was.
4383
4384935
438500:51:21,944 --> 00:51:23,580
4386It's just a job.
4387
4388936
438900:51:24,446 --> 00:51:26,383
4390And you can get
4391another job.
4392
4393937
439400:51:29,651 --> 00:51:31,984
4395You just need to keep your
4396head down for a few more weeks
4397
4398938
439900:51:31,986 --> 00:51:33,455
4400until things calm down.
4401
4402939
440300:51:34,689 --> 00:51:36,892
4404Then you resign,
4405you can get another job.
4406
4407940
440800:51:54,477 --> 00:51:56,780
4409Hey.
4410
4411941
441200:52:03,919 --> 00:52:05,618
4413On a diet?
4414
4415942
441600:52:05,620 --> 00:52:07,823
4417- What?
4418- No cinnamon bun?
4419
4420943
442100:52:10,392 --> 00:52:11,827
4422Who's in there now?
4423
4424944
442500:52:12,861 --> 00:52:15,529
4426Nuri. Second time.
4427
4428945
442900:52:15,531 --> 00:52:17,767
4430Had him take a lie detector
4431test yesterday.
4432
4433946
443400:52:22,571 --> 00:52:23,772
4435Mi-Yung!
4436
4437947
443800:53:22,765 --> 00:53:23,933
4439I did it.
4440
4441948
444200:53:26,269 --> 00:53:27,736
4443It was me.
4444
4445949
444600:53:31,607 --> 00:53:32,941
4447Oh, Katharine.
4448
4449950
445000:53:38,013 --> 00:53:39,148
4451Leave us, please.
4452
4453951
445400:54:33,468 --> 00:54:34,803
4455Handbag.
4456
4457952
445800:54:37,305 --> 00:54:38,307
4459Rings.
4460
4461953
446200:54:41,075 --> 00:54:42,311
4463Necklace.
4464
4465954
446600:54:43,646 --> 00:54:46,212
4467Watch. Belt.
4468
4469955
447000:54:46,214 --> 00:54:48,084
4471I don't have a belt.
4472
4473956
447400:54:50,885 --> 00:54:52,821
4475Take her through cell 7.
4476
4477957
447800:55:09,004 --> 00:55:11,874
4479I've found the
4480passports and a couple of foreign books.
4481
4482958
448300:55:14,209 --> 00:55:15,644
4484Who are you?
4485
4486959
448700:55:17,347 --> 00:55:18,781
4488Where's my wife?
4489
4490960
449100:55:21,350 --> 00:55:23,683
4492I want to see her.
4493Where is she?
4494
4495961
449600:55:23,685 --> 00:55:27,053
4497They can't keep me long.
4498They haven't charged me yet.
4499
4500962
450100:55:27,055 --> 00:55:28,691
4502No contact, please.
4503
4504963
450500:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,330
4506- Where are they holding you?
4507- Downstairs.
4508
4509964
451000:55:37,432 --> 00:55:39,736
4511I'm okay.
4512I promise I'm okay.
4513
4514965
451500:55:48,477 --> 00:55:49,812
4516I brought this.
4517
4518966
451900:55:51,881 --> 00:55:53,816
4520It will get cold tonight.
4521
4522967
452300:55:58,287 --> 00:55:59,288
4524Thank you.
4525
4526968
452700:56:14,870 --> 00:56:16,305
4528Lights out.
4529
4530969
453100:56:28,283 --> 00:56:30,884
4532- Katharine Gun?
4533- Yes.
4534
4535970
453600:56:30,886 --> 00:56:34,057
4537We're from Scotland Yard.
4538Do you have a lawyer?
4539
4540971
454100:56:35,156 --> 00:56:36,055
4542No.
4543
4544972
454500:56:36,057 --> 00:56:38,424
4546There's a duty
4547solicitor on call.
4548
4549973
455000:56:38,426 --> 00:56:39,928
4551She'll sit in with you.
4552
4553974
455400:56:44,300 --> 00:56:47,633
4555Your supervisor speaks
4556highly of your integrity.
4557
4558975
455900:56:47,635 --> 00:56:51,971
4560She says this breach
4561was a foolish one-off.
4562
4563976
456400:56:51,973 --> 00:56:53,006
4565Was it?
4566
4567977
456800:56:53,008 --> 00:56:55,808
4569Do you mean if I leaked
4570anything else? No.
4571
4572978
457300:56:55,810 --> 00:56:57,879
4574- Do you intend to?
4575- No.
4576
4577979
457800:56:59,247 --> 00:57:01,714
4579I've always been very proud
4580to work at GCHQ.
4581
4582980
458300:57:01,716 --> 00:57:02,919
4584Until now.
4585
4586981
458700:57:04,319 --> 00:57:06,586
4588Yes. Until now.
4589
4590982
459100:57:06,588 --> 00:57:08,356
4592What were you
4593employed to do?
4594
4595983
459600:57:09,825 --> 00:57:11,761
4597Well, I can't be specific.
4598
4599984
460000:57:13,196 --> 00:57:14,330
4601Be general then.
4602
4603985
460400:57:15,564 --> 00:57:17,497
4605I translated signals
4606intelligence
4607
4608986
460900:57:17,499 --> 00:57:18,964
4610and I reported anything
4611
4612987
461300:57:18,966 --> 00:57:20,935
4614I thought might be of
4615interest to my clients.
4616
4617988
461800:57:20,937 --> 00:57:22,836
4619- Your clients?
4620- The Foreign Office.
4621
4622989
462300:57:22,838 --> 00:57:24,037
4624The Ministry of Defense.
4625
4626990
462700:57:24,039 --> 00:57:26,073
4628So, you work
4629for the British Government.
4630
4631991
463200:57:26,075 --> 00:57:28,941
4633- No. Not really.
4634- No?
4635
4636992
463700:57:28,943 --> 00:57:30,843
4638Governments change.
4639
4640993
464100:57:30,845 --> 00:57:32,779
4642I work for the British people.
4643
4644994
464500:57:32,781 --> 00:57:34,314
4646I gather intelligence
4647
4648995
464900:57:34,316 --> 00:57:38,419
4650so that the government can
4651protect the British people.
4652
4653996
465400:57:38,421 --> 00:57:41,687
4655I do not gather intelligence
4656so that the government can lie
4657
4658997
465900:57:41,689 --> 00:57:43,425
4660to the British people.
4661
4662998
466300:57:45,926 --> 00:57:48,662
4664With respect, Mrs. Gun,
4665
4666999
466700:57:48,664 --> 00:57:50,332
4668you're a spy.
4669
46701000
467100:57:51,133 --> 00:57:51,999
4672Yes.
4673
46741001
467500:57:52,001 --> 00:57:53,066
4676You gather information
4677
46781002
467900:57:53,068 --> 00:57:54,834
4680from people's phones
4681and computers
4682
46831003
468400:57:54,836 --> 00:57:56,837
4685and you feed that
4686to your clients.
4687
46881004
468900:57:56,839 --> 00:58:00,506
4690- Yes.
4691- You eavesdrop on private conversations.
4692
46931005
469400:58:00,508 --> 00:58:02,676
4695And now you're upset
4696at being asked to do that
4697
46981006
469900:58:02,678 --> 00:58:04,544
4700to members
4701of the Security Council?
4702
47031007
470400:58:04,546 --> 00:58:06,247
4705Detective...
4706
47071008
470800:58:06,249 --> 00:58:10,316
4709I don't object to being asked
4710to collect information
4711
47121009
471300:58:10,318 --> 00:58:13,486
4714that could help
4715prevent a terror attack.
4716
47171010
471800:58:13,488 --> 00:58:17,790
4719What I object to is being
4720asked to gather intelligence
4721
47221011
472300:58:17,792 --> 00:58:20,894
4724to help fix a vote at the UN
4725
47261012
472700:58:20,896 --> 00:58:23,932
4728and deceive the world
4729into going to war.
4730
47311013
473200:58:27,537 --> 00:58:30,169
4733- Who put you up to this?
4734- No one.
4735
47361014
473700:58:30,171 --> 00:58:31,805
4738But you gave the memo
4739to someone.
4740
47411015
474200:58:31,807 --> 00:58:34,241
4743Who did you give it to?
4744A journalist?
4745
47461016
474700:58:34,243 --> 00:58:37,211
4748Someone in the anti-war
4749movement?
4750
47511017
475200:58:37,213 --> 00:58:38,281
4753Your husband?
4754
47551018
475600:58:39,381 --> 00:58:40,647
4757You don't have
4758to answer that.
4759
47601019
476100:58:40,649 --> 00:58:41,948
4762No, I will answer that.
4763
47641020
476500:58:41,950 --> 00:58:43,984
4766My husband had absolutely
4767nothing to do with this.
4768
47691021
477000:58:43,986 --> 00:58:46,687
4771He was briefly detained
4772here, too, wasn't he?
4773
47741022
477500:58:46,689 --> 00:58:49,622
4776- Pending deportation?
4777- Yes, he was.
4778
47791023
478000:58:49,624 --> 00:58:52,359
4781- And then you married him.
4782- Yes.
4783
47841024
478500:58:52,361 --> 00:58:54,326
4786His paperwork
4787has been resubmitted.
4788
47891025
479000:58:54,328 --> 00:58:56,566
4791- He signs in here once a week.
4792- He's a Muslim.
4793
47941026
479500:58:58,566 --> 00:58:59,633
4796I'm sorry?
4797
47981027
479900:58:59,635 --> 00:59:01,368
4800He's a Kurdish Turk
4801
48021028
480300:59:01,370 --> 00:59:04,437
4804seeking permanent residence
4805in Britain.
4806
48071029
480800:59:04,439 --> 00:59:08,140
4809And given what Saddam Hussein
4810has done to the Kurdish people,
4811
48121030
481300:59:08,142 --> 00:59:12,379
4814murdering over 180,000 of
4815them with chemical weapons,
4816
48171031
481800:59:12,381 --> 00:59:13,814
4819I can assure you
4820
48211032
482200:59:13,816 --> 00:59:16,750
4823my husband has absolutely
4824no sympathy whatsoever
4825
48261033
482700:59:16,752 --> 00:59:17,884
4828with the Iraqi regime.
4829
48301034
483100:59:17,886 --> 00:59:19,153
4832Then why did you
4833leak a memo
4834
48351035
483600:59:19,155 --> 00:59:22,388
4837intended to help
4838remove Saddam Hussein?
4839
48401036
484100:59:22,390 --> 00:59:23,490
4842'Cause by attacking Iraq,
4843
48441037
484500:59:23,492 --> 00:59:26,160
4846you don't simply attack
4847Saddam Hussein,
4848
48491038
485000:59:26,162 --> 00:59:29,395
4851you attack the country
4852of over 30 million people!
4853
48541039
485500:59:29,397 --> 00:59:31,964
4856And I cannot bear to think
4857of the pain and the suffering
4858
48591040
486000:59:31,966 --> 00:59:33,167
4861that that will cause.
4862
48631041
486400:59:33,169 --> 00:59:36,470
4865Frankly, I don't see
4866how anyone can bear it.
4867
48681042
486900:59:36,472 --> 00:59:39,238
4870Detective,
4871is she going to be formally charged?
4872
48731043
487400:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,241
4875That's a decision
4876for the Attorney General.
4877
48781044
487900:59:41,243 --> 00:59:45,979
4880Lord Goldsmith will need time
4881to decide how to deal with you.
4882
48831045
488400:59:45,981 --> 00:59:47,781
4885The custody sergeant
4886will release you
4887
48881046
488900:59:47,783 --> 00:59:49,249
4890on police bail today.
4891
48921047
489300:59:49,251 --> 00:59:51,151
4894You'll be told
4895to return to the station
4896
48971048
489800:59:51,153 --> 00:59:53,153
4899in approximately
4900three months,
4901
49021049
490300:59:53,155 --> 00:59:55,555
4904by which time a decision
4905on whether to charge you
4906
49071050
490800:59:55,557 --> 00:59:57,126
4909will have been made.
4910
49111051
491201:00:07,970 --> 01:00:09,504
4913Are you all right,
4914janum?
4915
49161052
491701:00:10,673 --> 01:00:12,738
4918- Are you all right?
4919- Yeah, come on.
4920
49211053
492201:00:12,740 --> 01:00:14,540
4923Katharine?
4924
49251054
492601:00:14,542 --> 01:00:17,676
4927I'm sorry. I deal mostly
4928with petty criminals,
4929
49301055
493101:00:17,678 --> 01:00:19,946
4932drunks and drug addicts.
4933
49341056
493501:00:19,948 --> 01:00:22,049
4936If you're charged,
4937you're gonna need someone
4938
49391057
494001:00:22,051 --> 01:00:24,250
4941with a lot more
4942experience than me.
4943
49441058
494501:00:24,252 --> 01:00:27,220
4946- I see.
4947- Have you heard of Liberty?
4948
49491059
495001:00:27,222 --> 01:00:29,055
4951They handle
4952human rights cases,
4953
49541060
495501:00:29,057 --> 01:00:32,459
4956political cases,
4957often for free.
4958
49591061
496001:00:32,461 --> 01:00:36,531
4961Well... I just wanted
4962to be sure you knew that.
4963
49641062
496501:00:37,231 --> 01:00:38,698
4966- Good luck.
4967- Thank you.
4968
49691063
497001:00:38,700 --> 01:00:39,935
4971Thank you.
4972
49731064
497401:00:42,370 --> 01:00:44,071
4975George W. Bush's patience
4976
49771065
497801:00:44,073 --> 01:00:45,671
4979with the United Nation
4980has run out
4981
49821066
498301:00:45,673 --> 01:00:48,542
4984because they haven't managed
4985to get those nine votes
4986
49871067
498801:00:48,544 --> 01:00:51,078
4989at the Security Council
4990which would give them,
4991
49921068
499301:00:51,080 --> 01:00:52,812
4994what they call,
4995a moral majority.
4996
49971069
499801:00:52,814 --> 01:00:56,716
4999That represents a real failure
5000of American diplomacy.
5001
50021070
500301:00:56,718 --> 01:00:59,017
5004This is the man
5005who's advising Tony Blair
5006
50071071
500801:00:59,019 --> 01:01:01,020
5009on the legality of war.
5010
50111072
501201:01:01,022 --> 01:01:02,488
5013The Attorney General
5014Lord Goldsmith
5015
50161073
501701:01:02,490 --> 01:01:05,191
5018has, I understand,
5019told the Prime Minister
5020
50211074
502201:01:05,193 --> 01:01:08,461
5023military action would be legal
5024without a second resolution.
5025
50261075
502701:01:08,463 --> 01:01:10,196
5028But it's all down
5029to interpretation.
5030
50311076
503201:01:10,198 --> 01:01:11,964
5033What is she saying?
5034They have not got the votes
5035
50361077
503701:01:11,966 --> 01:01:13,834
5038but they're going to war,
5039anyway?
5040
50411078
504201:01:13,836 --> 01:01:16,837
5043...arguing old
5044UN resolutions don't count
5045
50461079
504701:01:16,839 --> 01:01:19,872
5048and war is illegal
5049without a new one
5050
50511080
505201:01:19,874 --> 01:01:21,207
5053or a new threat.
5054
50551081
505601:01:21,209 --> 01:01:22,475
5057So the troops are in place.
5058
50591082
506001:01:22,477 --> 01:01:24,678
5061Some UN inspectors
5062are quitting Iraq.
5063
50641083
506501:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,345
5066Just how close are we to war?
5067
50681084
506901:01:26,347 --> 01:01:29,015
5070Fergus has been assessing
5071the evidence. Fergus?
5072
50731085
507401:01:29,017 --> 01:01:30,584
5075All the signs are now
5076
50771086
507801:01:30,586 --> 01:01:33,122
5079that war is very,
5080very close now...
5081
50821087
508301:01:34,722 --> 01:01:35,724
5084Hi.
5085
50861088
508701:01:37,158 --> 01:01:38,558
5088- Do you wanna come in?
5089- Oh, no, no, no.
5090
50911089
509201:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,660
5093I'm all packed for London.
5094
50951090
509601:01:40,662 --> 01:01:42,794
5097I just, um...
5098
50991091
510001:01:42,796 --> 01:01:45,667
5101I just wanted to say,
5102I think that what you did was amazing.
5103
51041092
510501:01:47,269 --> 01:01:51,006
5106- You do?
5107- Yeah. A lot of us do.
5108
51091093
511001:01:52,006 --> 01:01:53,209
5111Really?
5112
51131094
511401:01:54,676 --> 01:01:56,544
5115Are they going
5116to charge you?
5117
51181095
511901:01:57,946 --> 01:01:59,148
5120I don't know.
5121
51221096
512301:02:01,417 --> 01:02:04,283
5124God, Kat,
5125I'm so sorry.
5126
51271097
512801:02:04,285 --> 01:02:06,019
5129Hey, you didn't do
5130anything wrong.
5131
51321098
513301:02:06,021 --> 01:02:09,191
5134I didn't do
5135anything right. I...
5136
51371099
513801:02:18,066 --> 01:02:20,770
5139I better be going. Bye.
5140
51411100
514201:02:42,124 --> 01:02:44,156
5143My fellow citizens,
5144
51451101
514601:02:44,158 --> 01:02:47,294
5147at this hour,
5148American and coalition forces
5149
51501102
515101:02:47,296 --> 01:02:50,029
5152are in the early stages
5153of military operations
5154
51551103
515601:02:50,031 --> 01:02:53,165
5157to disarm Iraq,
5158to free its people
5159
51601104
516101:02:53,167 --> 01:02:56,069
5162and to defend the world
5163from grave danger.
5164
51651105
516601:02:56,071 --> 01:02:59,973
5167Our nation enters
5168this conflict reluctantly,
5169
51701106
517101:02:59,975 --> 01:03:02,709
5172yet our purpose is sure.
5173
51741107
517501:03:02,711 --> 01:03:05,245
5176The people of the United States
5177and our friends and allies
5178
51791108
518001:03:05,247 --> 01:03:08,682
5181will not live at the mercy
5182of an outlaw regime
5183
51841109
518501:03:08,684 --> 01:03:12,185
5186that threatens the peace
5187with weapons of mass murder.
5188
51891110
519001:03:17,292 --> 01:03:18,591
5191We will meet that threat now.
5192
51931111
519401:03:18,593 --> 01:03:21,528
5195We should have got
5196that memo out sooner.
5197
51981112
519901:03:21,530 --> 01:03:24,796
5200- We did what we could.
5201- We fucking failed.
5202
52031113
520401:03:24,798 --> 01:03:26,767
5205So that we
5206do not have to meet it later
5207
52081114
520901:03:26,769 --> 01:03:30,904
5210with armies of firefighters
5211and police and doctors
5212
52131115
521401:03:30,906 --> 01:03:33,439
5215on the streets of our cities.
5216
52171116
521801:03:33,441 --> 01:03:35,375
5219Now that conflict has come,
5220
52211117
522201:03:35,377 --> 01:03:37,243
5223the only way
5224to limit its duration
5225
52261118
522701:03:37,245 --> 01:03:39,712
5228is to apply decisive force.
5229
52301119
523101:03:39,714 --> 01:03:41,515
5232I'm so fucking naive.
5233
52341120
523501:03:41,517 --> 01:03:44,683
5236This will not be a campaign
5237of half measures
5238
52391121
524001:03:44,685 --> 01:03:48,020
5241and we will accept
5242no outcome but victory.
5243
52441122
524501:04:05,274 --> 01:04:06,775
5246I have to go.
5247
52481123
524901:04:10,245 --> 01:04:12,546
5250You want to come
5251to the cafe?
5252
52531124
525401:04:12,548 --> 01:04:13,781
5255Work with me?
5256
52571125
525801:04:20,189 --> 01:04:21,557
5259I'll call you later.
5260
52611126
526201:04:24,993 --> 01:04:26,629
5263If we use the phones,
5264
52651127
526601:04:27,763 --> 01:04:29,431
5267they'll be listening.
5268
52691128
527001:04:30,731 --> 01:04:33,066
5271Let them listen.
5272
52731129
527401:04:33,068 --> 01:04:34,803
5275We have nothing to hide.
5276
52771130
527801:04:38,106 --> 01:04:40,242
5279You should contact
5280those lawyers...
5281
52821131
528301:04:42,243 --> 01:04:43,444
5284...today.
5285
52861132
528701:04:44,646 --> 01:04:45,647
5288Please.
5289
52901133
529101:05:11,406 --> 01:05:13,640
5292- Hello?
5293- Hi. Uh, it's Katharine.
5294
52951134
529601:05:13,642 --> 01:05:15,207
5297Uh, Katharine Gun.
5298I phoned this morning.
5299
53001135
530101:05:15,209 --> 01:05:18,479
5302Oh, yes, Katharine.
5303Please, um, come on up.
5304
53051136
530601:05:25,285 --> 01:05:27,285
5307- Katharine?
5308- Hello.
5309
53101137
531101:05:27,287 --> 01:05:29,455
5312James.
5313Lovely to meet you.
5314
53151138
531601:05:29,457 --> 01:05:31,223
5317- Thanks for seeing me.
5318- Not at all.
5319
53201139
532101:05:31,225 --> 01:05:32,658
5322I'm sorry
5323about the decor.
5324
53251140
532601:05:32,660 --> 01:05:35,562
5327We like to say we focus
5328more on our clients.
5329
53301141
533101:05:35,564 --> 01:05:37,729
5332This is Shami Chakrabarti,
5333our director.
5334
53351142
533601:05:37,731 --> 01:05:41,734
5337- Hello, Katharine.
5338- And this is Ben Emmerson.
5339
53401143
534101:05:41,736 --> 01:05:42,801
5342Hi.
5343
53441144
534501:05:42,803 --> 01:05:44,069
5346Hello.
5347
53481145
534901:05:44,071 --> 01:05:46,406
5350This was the only memo you took?
5351
53521146
535301:05:46,408 --> 01:05:48,875
5354- Yes.
5355- No one suggested you take it?
5356
53571147
535801:05:48,877 --> 01:05:51,877
5359- No.
5360- And you've never met Martin Bright?
5361
53621148
536301:05:51,879 --> 01:05:52,946
5364No.
5365
53661149
536701:05:52,948 --> 01:05:53,812
5368Martin called me
5369last week.
5370
53711150
537201:05:53,814 --> 01:05:55,515
5373He said he didn't know
5374who you were,
5375
53761151
537701:05:55,517 --> 01:05:58,919
5378but he wanted us to be aware
5379that you might need our help.
5380
53811152
538201:05:58,921 --> 01:06:00,854
5383Well, that was
5384very kind of him.
5385
53861153
538701:06:00,856 --> 01:06:03,256
5388He said he got the memo
5389from someone he knew
5390
53911154
539201:06:03,258 --> 01:06:05,223
5393but he wouldn't say who.
5394
53951155
539601:06:05,225 --> 01:06:08,263
5397Do you want to tell us
5398who you gave it to?
5399
54001156
540101:06:11,098 --> 01:06:13,200
5402Look,
5403
54041157
540501:06:13,202 --> 01:06:17,037
5406if you don't mind,
5407I would prefer not to say.
5408
54091158
541001:06:17,039 --> 01:06:18,640
5411I promised I wouldn't.
5412
54131159
541401:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,375
5415Okay.
5416
54171160
541801:06:21,377 --> 01:06:24,310
5419When you met Yasar, he had
5420already applied for asylum.
5421
54221161
542301:06:24,312 --> 01:06:26,645
5424- Yes.
5425- Which was denied.
5426
54271162
542801:06:26,647 --> 01:06:30,415
5429Yes, uh, they said that there
5430wasn't a significant enough risk
5431
54321163
543301:06:30,417 --> 01:06:32,386
5434of persecution
5435if he went back.
5436
54371164
543801:06:32,388 --> 01:06:34,087
5439And that's when
5440you married him?
5441
54421165
544301:06:34,089 --> 01:06:36,189
5444- Yes.
5445- And did he pay you?
5446
54471166
544801:06:36,191 --> 01:06:37,390
5449Absolutely not.
5450
54511167
545201:06:37,392 --> 01:06:38,524
5453I'm sorry,
5454I don't mean to upset you.
5455
54561168
545701:06:38,526 --> 01:06:40,359
5458It's just that
5459your husband is Muslim
5460
54611169
546201:06:40,361 --> 01:06:42,328
5463and the prosecution
5464will be looking for motive.
5465
54661170
546701:06:42,330 --> 01:06:45,531
5468My motive was to stop a war
5469
54701171
547101:06:45,533 --> 01:06:49,968
5472and save lives. I failed.
5473
54741172
547501:06:49,970 --> 01:06:52,939
5476All I've managed to do is put
5477my husband's future at risk.
5478
54791173
548001:06:52,941 --> 01:06:54,707
5481And your own.
5482
54831174
548401:06:54,709 --> 01:06:56,375
5485In fact,
5486by leaking information
5487
54881175
548901:06:56,377 --> 01:06:58,145
5490to try and stop a war,
5491I'd argue
5492
54931176
549401:06:58,147 --> 01:07:00,312
5495that you chose loyalty
5496to your country
5497
54981177
549901:07:00,314 --> 01:07:04,618
5500over loyalty to your government,
5501your marriage and yourself.
5502
55031178
550401:07:04,620 --> 01:07:07,489
5505You had nothing to gain
5506and everything to lose.
5507
55081179
550901:07:08,890 --> 01:07:11,460
5510I think that speaks
5511rather highly of you.
5512
55131180
551401:07:12,426 --> 01:07:15,595
5515He's trying
5516to give you a compliment.
5517
55181181
551901:07:15,597 --> 01:07:16,562
5520I see.
5521
55221182
552301:07:16,564 --> 01:07:18,631
5524Part of our job
5525is to try and anticipate
5526
55271183
552801:07:18,633 --> 01:07:21,834
5529what the prosecution's
5530going to throw at you.
5531
55321184
553301:07:21,836 --> 01:07:24,638
5534Some of the people we meet
5535are looking for attention,
5536
55371185
553801:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,939
5539a way to elevate
5540their humdrum lives.
5541
55421186
554301:07:26,941 --> 01:07:29,777
5544- Well, I'm not.
5545- No, I don't think you are.
5546
55471187
554801:07:33,682 --> 01:07:34,647
5549Sorry.
5550
55511188
555201:07:34,649 --> 01:07:36,917
5553There's nothing
5554to be sorry for.
5555
55561189
555701:07:36,919 --> 01:07:38,785
5558We're here to help.
5559
55601190
556101:07:41,589 --> 01:07:43,189
5562And we don't have duress.
5563
55641191
556501:07:43,191 --> 01:07:47,026
5566She's adamant no outside
5567agency put any pressure on her.
5568
55691192
557001:07:47,028 --> 01:07:48,761
5571Public interest?
5572
55731193
557401:07:48,763 --> 01:07:51,263
5575The public has a right to know
5576when their government is lying.
5577
55781194
557901:07:51,265 --> 01:07:53,232
5580We cite
5581the Falklands case
5582
55831195
558401:07:53,234 --> 01:07:54,901
5585when Thatcher lied
5586about why she ordered
5587
55881196
558901:07:54,903 --> 01:07:56,569
5590the sinking
5591of that Argentinian ship.
5592
55931197
559401:07:56,571 --> 01:07:57,870
5595- Belgrano.
5596- Yeah.
5597
55981198
559901:07:57,872 --> 01:08:00,372
5600- Who was the whistleblower?
5601- Clive Ponting.
5602
56031199
560401:08:00,374 --> 01:08:01,674
5605The jury acquitted him,
5606didn't they?
5607
56081200
560901:08:01,676 --> 01:08:02,942
5610Yes, and immediately
5611afterwards,
5612
56131201
561401:08:02,944 --> 01:08:04,910
5615Thatcher had the Official
5616Secrets Act amended
5617
56181202
561901:08:04,912 --> 01:08:06,745
5620to avoid being caught
5621in a lie in the future.
5622
56231203
562401:08:06,747 --> 01:08:09,015
5625So since '89,
5626the public interest is
5627
56281204
562901:08:09,017 --> 01:08:11,919
5630effectively whatever the
5631government says that it is.
5632
56331205
563401:08:12,953 --> 01:08:14,620
5635We've got nothing.
5636
56371206
563801:08:14,622 --> 01:08:16,523
5639I have to
5640think about it.
5641
56421207
564301:08:16,525 --> 01:08:18,825
5644Sorry, I have to go.
5645
56461208
564701:08:18,827 --> 01:08:21,029
5648I promised Anne
5649a weekend away.
5650
56511209
565201:08:22,564 --> 01:08:25,264
5653If they charge her,
5654we might have to plead guilty
5655
56561210
565701:08:25,266 --> 01:08:26,765
5658and ask for
5659a reduced sentence.
5660
56611211
566201:08:26,767 --> 01:08:29,035
5663But she's young
5664and principled.
5665
56661212
566701:08:29,037 --> 01:08:31,636
5668A judge might even think that
5669what she did was morally right.
5670
56711213
567201:08:31,638 --> 01:08:34,042
5673Or crucify her
5674as a traitor.
5675
56761214
567701:08:36,110 --> 01:08:37,111
5678Bye.
5679
56801215
568101:09:04,672 --> 01:09:07,674
5682- You sure he was following you?
5683- He was staring at me.
5684
56851216
568601:09:07,676 --> 01:09:08,741
5687Sometimes men stare...
5688
56891217
569001:09:08,743 --> 01:09:09,843
5691Yeah, it wasn't
5692that kind of a stare.
5693
56941218
569501:09:09,845 --> 01:09:11,309
5696What kind
5697of a stare was it?
5698
56991219
570001:09:11,311 --> 01:09:14,412
5701Yas, please,
5702I'm scared. Okay?
5703
57041220
570501:09:14,414 --> 01:09:15,751
5706I'm scared.
5707
57081221
570901:09:17,485 --> 01:09:19,786
5710You know, for years,
5711I've tried to be legal here.
5712
57131222
571401:09:19,788 --> 01:09:21,353
5715- I know.
5716- Then why'd you do it?
5717
57181223
571901:09:21,355 --> 01:09:23,590
5720These arseholes got
5721their war, anyway.
5722
57231224
572401:09:23,592 --> 01:09:25,425
5725Saddam's over.
5726And you know what?
5727
57281225
572901:09:25,427 --> 01:09:27,560
5730- I'm glad he's over!
5731- War is not over.
5732
57331226
573401:09:27,562 --> 01:09:29,094
5735Ousting Saddam
5736is just the beginning.
5737
57381227
573901:09:29,096 --> 01:09:31,764
5740- What do you know about war?
5741- I work at GCHQ.
5742
57431228
574401:09:31,766 --> 01:09:33,933
5745All you do is listen
5746to people talking!
5747
57481229
574901:09:33,935 --> 01:09:36,702
5750You've never seen war!
5751You've never smelled it!
5752
57531230
575401:09:36,704 --> 01:09:37,902
5755Never even
5756come close to it!
5757
57581231
575901:09:37,904 --> 01:09:40,240
5760Yas, I understand
5761why you are angry.
5762
57631232
576401:09:40,242 --> 01:09:42,474
5765It is my fault
5766and I'm sorry.
5767
57681233
576901:09:42,476 --> 01:09:44,376
5770I am so sorry.
5771
57721234
577301:09:44,378 --> 01:09:49,349
5774But I watched Blair
5775with his smug smile
5776
57771235
577801:09:49,351 --> 01:09:52,117
5779and his sterile speeches
5780that tell us nothing
5781
57821236
578301:09:52,119 --> 01:09:56,154
5784of what it must feel like to
5785be a child in Iraq right now.
5786
57871237
578801:09:56,156 --> 01:09:58,791
5789I know I'm not sorry
5790that I tried to stop him.
5791
57921238
579301:09:58,793 --> 01:09:59,928
5794I'm not.
5795
57961239
579701:10:00,861 --> 01:10:03,129
5798I'm only sorry
5799that I failed.
5800
58011240
580201:10:10,939 --> 01:10:14,139
5803Thank you
5804for inviting us in.
5805
58061241
580701:10:14,141 --> 01:10:15,407
5808What is it
5809you came to say?
5810
58111242
581201:10:15,409 --> 01:10:19,178
5813Well, there's been
5814a development.
5815
58161243
581701:10:19,180 --> 01:10:21,848
5818- Am I going to be charged?
5819- That I don't know.
5820
58211244
582201:10:21,850 --> 01:10:23,685
5823Then why
5824are you here?
5825
58261245
582701:10:24,985 --> 01:10:27,419
5828I gather you went to see
5829a lawyer today.
5830
58311246
583201:10:27,421 --> 01:10:28,755
5833- Did you follow me?
5834- No.
5835
58361247
583701:10:28,757 --> 01:10:29,889
5838Because somebody did.
5839
58401248
584101:10:29,891 --> 01:10:31,657
5842Well, you must know
5843that after what you did,
5844
58451249
584601:10:31,659 --> 01:10:33,492
5847GCHQ is concerned.
5848
58491250
585001:10:33,494 --> 01:10:36,062
5851I have a right
5852to legal advice.
5853
58541251
585501:10:36,064 --> 01:10:39,965
5856Unfortunately,
5857it's not as simple as that.
5858
58591252
586001:10:39,967 --> 01:10:42,734
5861When you signed on
5862to work for GCHQ,
5863
58641253
586501:10:42,736 --> 01:10:45,737
5866you agreed to be bound
5867by the Official Secrets Act
5868
58691254
587001:10:45,739 --> 01:10:47,840
5871for the rest of your life.
5872
58731255
587401:10:47,842 --> 01:10:49,809
5875I know what I signed,
5876detective.
5877
58781256
587901:10:49,811 --> 01:10:54,546
5880Mm, then you know
5881that it says here
5882
58831257
588401:10:54,548 --> 01:10:56,948
5885in Section 1-1
5886
58871258
588801:10:56,950 --> 01:10:59,518
5889that "a person is
5890guilty of an offense
5891
58921259
589301:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,855
5894"if he or she
5895
58961260
589701:11:02,857 --> 01:11:04,956
5898"discloses any information
5899
59001261
590101:11:04,958 --> 01:11:08,760
5902"relating to security
5903or intelligence."
5904
59051262
590601:11:08,762 --> 01:11:12,398
5907This means that you cannot
5908discuss anything
5909
59101263
591101:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,402
5912with anyone outside of GCHQ
5913
59141264
591501:11:15,404 --> 01:11:18,006
5916relating to
5917the document you leaked.
5918
59191265
592001:11:19,673 --> 01:11:21,941
5921Are you saying
5922I can't talk to a lawyer?
5923
59241266
592501:11:21,943 --> 01:11:23,977
5926Oh, you have the right
5927to talk to a lawyer.
5928
59291267
593001:11:23,979 --> 01:11:25,911
5931It's just that
5932you cannot discuss
5933
59341268
593501:11:25,913 --> 01:11:29,448
5936anything to do with
5937your work at GCHQ,
5938
59391269
594001:11:29,450 --> 01:11:31,416
5941or the contents
5942of the memo you leaked,
5943
59441270
594501:11:31,418 --> 01:11:33,620
5946or how it came
5947into your possession
5948
59491271
595001:11:33,622 --> 01:11:35,222
5951or who wrote it.
5952
59531272
595401:11:36,490 --> 01:11:39,625
5955All of this information
5956is top secret.
5957
59581273
595901:11:39,627 --> 01:11:42,728
5960So disclosing it
5961to anyone outside of GCHQ,
5962
59631274
596401:11:42,730 --> 01:11:44,863
5965even a lawyer,
5966
59671275
596801:11:44,865 --> 01:11:48,667
5969would be a further violation
5970of the Official Secrets Act,
5971
59721276
597301:11:48,669 --> 01:11:51,970
5974which could result
5975in further prosecution
5976
59771277
597801:11:51,972 --> 01:11:55,077
5979and a much longer
5980prison sentence.
5981
59821278
598301:11:57,846 --> 01:12:00,649
5984We just wanted
5985you to be aware of that.
5986
59871279
598801:12:02,484 --> 01:12:06,818
5989So if I may not talk to a
5990lawyer, who may I talk to?
5991
59921280
599301:12:06,820 --> 01:12:09,587
5994You should talk to
5995your superiors at GCHQ.
5996
59971281
599801:12:09,589 --> 01:12:13,158
5999- Are you fucking joking?
6000- Yas, please. Please.
6001
60021282
600301:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,894
6004We should hear what
6005the detectives have to say.
6006
60071283
600801:12:15,896 --> 01:12:17,966
6009They're just
6010doing their job.
6011
60121284
601301:12:20,836 --> 01:12:25,871
6014Simply put, if you wish
6015to tell anything to a lawyer
6016
60171285
601801:12:25,873 --> 01:12:28,744
6019or the press or anyone else...
6020
60211286
602201:12:29,709 --> 01:12:32,847
6023...you first need to
6024clear it with GCHQ.
6025
60261287
602701:12:36,484 --> 01:12:37,852
6028Detective...
6029
60301288
603101:12:38,887 --> 01:12:41,853
6032I leaked only one memo.
6033
60341289
603501:12:41,855 --> 01:12:43,188
6036I had good reason to do so
6037
60381290
603901:12:43,190 --> 01:12:46,492
6040and I intend to make
6041those reasons public
6042
60431291
604401:12:46,494 --> 01:12:48,863
6045if I am charged.
6046
60471292
604801:12:50,064 --> 01:12:52,197
6049I will not talk
6050to my lawyers again
6051
60521293
605301:12:52,199 --> 01:12:54,669
6054unless I am charged.
6055
60561294
605701:12:55,837 --> 01:12:58,106
6058Tell that to GCHQ.
6059
60601295
606101:13:03,845 --> 01:13:05,344
6062Are you grilling
6063or smoking that fish?
6064
60651296
606601:13:05,346 --> 01:13:08,447
6067I am smoking.
6068I've soaked the wood chips in water.
6069
60701297
607101:13:08,449 --> 01:13:09,549
6072I've got charcoal.
6073
60741298
607501:13:09,551 --> 01:13:12,518
6076I'm... I'm trying
6077something new.
6078
60791299
608001:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,188
6081- Hi.
6082- Ken?
6083
60841300
608501:13:15,190 --> 01:13:16,621
6086- Hi.
6087- Hi, Ken.
6088
60891301
609001:13:16,623 --> 01:13:19,591
6091- Guess you're down here for the weekend.
6092- Yes. Just for the night.
6093
60941302
609501:13:19,593 --> 01:13:21,126
6096Yeah, me too.
6097It's been a while.
6098
60991303
610001:13:21,128 --> 01:13:23,728
6101Mm-hmm. Would you, uh...
6102Do you want a drink?
6103
61041304
610501:13:23,730 --> 01:13:26,532
6106Uh, no, thanks.
6107Sally's cooking dinner.
6108
61091305
611001:13:26,534 --> 01:13:28,968
6111- Hello, Anne.
6112- Hi.
6113
61141306
611501:13:28,970 --> 01:13:32,237
6116- I'm so sorry to intrude.
6117- Oh, not at all.
6118
61191307
612001:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,005
6121How's the new job?
6122
61231308
612401:13:34,007 --> 01:13:37,910
6125Well, it's, um, eye-opening.
6126
61271309
612801:13:37,912 --> 01:13:41,647
6129In fact, I wondered
6130if I might ask Ben's opinion
6131
61321310
613301:13:41,649 --> 01:13:45,251
6134about a new case that my office
6135has been asked to prosecute.
6136
61371311
613801:13:45,253 --> 01:13:48,688
6139It won't take a minute.
6140Would you mind?
6141
61421312
614301:13:48,690 --> 01:13:50,689
6144How do you know
6145that I met her?
6146
61471313
614801:13:50,691 --> 01:13:53,459
6149Security services
6150are all over this.
6151
61521314
615301:13:53,461 --> 01:13:54,693
6154Mm-hmm.
6155
61561315
615701:13:54,695 --> 01:13:56,595
6158And it's not just
6159a domestic embarrassment.
6160
61611316
616201:13:56,597 --> 01:13:57,964
6163The Americans
6164are very unhappy.
6165
61661317
616701:13:57,966 --> 01:13:59,465
6168Oh, well,
6169that is upsetting.
6170
61711318
617201:13:59,467 --> 01:14:02,736
6173Oh, come on, Ben,
6174it's not funny.
6175
61761319
617701:14:02,738 --> 01:14:05,770
6178What she did was a
6179deliberate act of betrayal.
6180
61811320
618201:14:05,772 --> 01:14:08,072
6183Look, Ken, we're not
6184colleagues anymore.
6185
61861321
618701:14:08,074 --> 01:14:09,474
6188We're on
6189different sides here.
6190
61911322
619201:14:09,476 --> 01:14:14,080
6193I think she wants to be seen
6194as some sort of cause celebre.
6195
61961323
619701:14:14,082 --> 01:14:18,283
6198But she swore allegiance
6199to the intelligence services
6200
62011324
620201:14:18,285 --> 01:14:20,618
6203and when you do that you
6204don't get to pick and choose
6205
62061325
620701:14:20,620 --> 01:14:21,920
6208what orders
6209you'll follow.
6210
62111326
621201:14:21,922 --> 01:14:24,290
6213Following orders is not
6214a defense to a war crime.
6215
62161327
621701:14:24,292 --> 01:14:28,527
6218Yes, but who is she to undermine
6219the strategic objectives
6220
62211328
622201:14:28,529 --> 01:14:31,496
6223of a democratically-elected Prime Minister.
6224
62251329
622601:14:31,498 --> 01:14:34,700
6227Oh, come on, she's not selling
6228state secrets to Moscow.
6229
62301330
623101:14:34,702 --> 01:14:36,969
6232She exposed
6233an illegal attempt
6234
62351331
623601:14:36,971 --> 01:14:39,304
6237to secure
6238a UN resolution for war
6239
62401332
624101:14:39,306 --> 01:14:41,072
6242which would have
6243given Blair perfect cover
6244
62451333
624601:14:41,074 --> 01:14:42,640
6247for the bloody mess
6248that we're in now.
6249
62501334
625101:14:42,642 --> 01:14:44,810
6252No, she should have
6253kept her mouth shut
6254
62551335
625601:14:44,812 --> 01:14:47,045
6257or complained
6258to her superiors.
6259
62601336
626101:14:47,047 --> 01:14:48,613
6262Now I've got
6263a real problem with people
6264
62651337
626601:14:48,615 --> 01:14:50,715
6267who think that
6268from some lowly position
6269
62701338
627101:14:50,717 --> 01:14:52,385
6272they can possibly see
6273the big picture.
6274
62751339
627601:14:52,387 --> 01:14:54,185
6277So then you would
6278never question authority
6279
62801340
628101:14:54,187 --> 01:14:55,955
6282even if you knew
6283it was breaking the law.
6284
62851341
628601:14:55,957 --> 01:14:58,858
6287Ben, you can't blame me
6288for being angry with her.
6289
62901342
629101:14:58,860 --> 01:15:00,225
6292We're at war.
6293
62941343
629501:15:00,227 --> 01:15:02,428
6296So, I'm going to assign the
6297best prosecutor in my office
6298
62991344
630001:15:02,430 --> 01:15:04,897
6301to bring this girl down,
6302which shouldn't be difficult.
6303
63041345
630501:15:04,899 --> 01:15:05,965
6306She's already confessed.
6307
63081346
630901:15:05,967 --> 01:15:07,899
6310I appreciate
6311your determination
6312
63131347
631401:15:07,901 --> 01:15:11,306
6315to make an example of her,
6316but you shouldn't be here.
6317
63181348
631901:15:13,807 --> 01:15:15,273
6320Oh, come on,
6321we're friends.
6322
63231349
632401:15:15,275 --> 01:15:17,410
6325I'll make my position
6326perfectly clear.
6327
63281350
632901:15:17,412 --> 01:15:19,845
6330If you charge her,
6331then I will defend her
6332
63331351
633401:15:19,847 --> 01:15:22,050
6335to the best of my ability.
6336
63371352
633801:15:24,051 --> 01:15:25,283
6339So let's go home
6340and pretend
6341
63421353
634301:15:25,285 --> 01:15:27,823
6344that this conversation
6345never happened.
6346
63471354
634801:16:00,922 --> 01:16:03,221
6349You're not working today?
6350
63511355
635201:16:03,223 --> 01:16:06,494
6353No. I have to sign in
6354at the station.
6355
63561356
635701:16:08,962 --> 01:16:12,533
6358- Then we can go for a hike.
6359- I want to see the sea.
6360
63611357
636201:16:25,846 --> 01:16:27,114
6363Leave it.
6364
63651358
636601:16:33,421 --> 01:16:36,188
6367Hi, we're not in.
6368Please leave a message.
6369
63701359
637101:16:36,190 --> 01:16:39,825
6372Katharine,
6373it's James Welch from Liberty.
6374
63751360
637601:16:39,827 --> 01:16:41,594
6377Uh, we should talk.
6378
63791361
638001:16:41,596 --> 01:16:44,729
6381Could give me a call
6382when you get the message?
6383
63841362
638501:16:44,731 --> 01:16:46,432
6386Hello?
6387
63881363
638901:16:46,434 --> 01:16:48,302
6390Oh, ah, Katharine.
6391
63921364
639301:16:49,169 --> 01:16:52,136
6394I'm afraid I have
6395some bad news.
6396
63971365
639801:16:52,138 --> 01:16:54,340
6399Uh, James, you know that
6400
64011366
640201:16:54,342 --> 01:16:56,340
6403GCHQ said I
6404couldn't talk to you.
6405
64061367
640701:16:56,342 --> 01:16:57,910
6408Oh, then,
6409well, the good news is
6410
64111368
641201:16:57,912 --> 01:17:00,179
6413we finally had
6414the gag order lifted.
6415
64161369
641701:17:00,181 --> 01:17:01,580
6418We've agreed to not
6419ask any questions
6420
64211370
642201:17:01,582 --> 01:17:04,515
6423about what other work
6424you did at GCHQ.
6425
64261371
642701:17:04,517 --> 01:17:08,088
6428But what happens going forward
6429isn't up to them.
6430
64311372
643201:17:09,257 --> 01:17:10,456
6433Your case is now in the hands
6434
64351373
643601:17:10,458 --> 01:17:13,094
6437of the Crown Prosecution
6438Service.
6439
64401374
644101:17:15,762 --> 01:17:17,631
6442They're going to charge you.
6443
64441375
644501:17:20,935 --> 01:17:23,004
6446We should meet next week.
6447
64481376
644901:17:26,007 --> 01:17:28,043
6450- Katharine?
6451- Yes. Uh...
6452
64531377
645401:17:29,443 --> 01:17:31,178
6455Okay. Yeah.
6456
64571378
645801:17:32,279 --> 01:17:34,712
6459I know that this is
6460a lot to take in,
6461
64621379
646301:17:34,714 --> 01:17:35,947
6464but we will help you.
6465
64661380
646701:17:35,949 --> 01:17:37,385
6468Thank you.
6469
64701381
647101:17:39,352 --> 01:17:41,019
6472- Okay.
6473- Thank you very much, James.
6474
64751382
647601:17:41,021 --> 01:17:42,222
6477Speak soon.
6478
64791383
648001:17:47,328 --> 01:17:50,395
6481"GCHQ whistleblower charged."
6482
64831384
648401:17:50,397 --> 01:17:51,764
6485"Traitor or spy?"
6486
64871385
648801:17:51,766 --> 01:17:53,166
6489"Spy speaks out."
6490
64911386
649201:17:53,168 --> 01:17:55,033
6493"The spy who wouldn't
6494keep a secret."
6495
64961387
649701:17:55,035 --> 01:17:57,569
6498"Who is Katharine Gun?"
6499
65001388
650101:17:57,571 --> 01:17:59,373
6502"Leak against this war."
6503
65041389
650501:18:00,173 --> 01:18:02,140
6506She's everywhere.
6507
65081390
650901:18:02,142 --> 01:18:04,309
6510What's your angle?
6511
65121391
651301:18:04,311 --> 01:18:05,379
6514Look.
6515
65161392
651701:18:06,815 --> 01:18:08,546
6518"Katharine Gun faces jail
6519for exposing
6520
65211393
652201:18:08,548 --> 01:18:10,750
6523"American corruption
6524in the run-up to war.
6525
65261394
652701:18:10,752 --> 01:18:13,051
6528"Now her
6529celebrity supporters insist
6530
65311395
653201:18:13,053 --> 01:18:15,420
6533"it is Bush and Blair
6534who should be in the dock."
6535
65361396
653701:18:15,422 --> 01:18:17,423
6538- Celebrity supporters?
6539- Mm.
6540
65411397
654201:18:17,425 --> 01:18:19,390
6543Little tabloidy,
6544don't you think?
6545
65461398
654701:18:19,392 --> 01:18:22,260
6548Hey, we're building awareness.
6549How about Daniel Ellsberg?
6550
65511399
655201:18:22,262 --> 01:18:24,130
6553He leaked
6554the Pentagon Papers.
6555
65561400
655701:18:24,132 --> 01:18:25,764
6558I know who Ellsberg is,
6559Martin.
6560
65611401
656201:18:25,766 --> 01:18:27,332
6563Of course you do.
6564Forgive me.
6565
65661402
656701:18:27,334 --> 01:18:30,702
6568Well, Ellsberg
6569described it as...
6570
65711403
657201:18:30,704 --> 01:18:33,304
6573"The most important and
6574courageous leak I've ever seen.
6575
65761404
657701:18:33,306 --> 01:18:34,941
6578"No one else has ever done
6579what she did.
6580
65811405
658201:18:34,943 --> 01:18:37,210
6583"Tell secret truths
6584at personal risks
6585
65861406
658701:18:37,212 --> 01:18:41,112
6588"before an imminent war, in
6589time, possibly, to avert it."
6590
65911407
659201:18:41,114 --> 01:18:44,218
6593Okay, that's classy.
6594
65951408
659601:18:50,725 --> 01:18:52,060
6597I'll be quick.
6598
65991409
660001:19:17,819 --> 01:19:19,350
6601Are you waiting
6602for the tall man?
6603
66041410
660501:19:19,352 --> 01:19:21,254
6606- The dark-haired one?
6607- Yeah.
6608
66091411
661001:19:21,256 --> 01:19:23,654
6611He was shouting
6612that his wife was outside.
6613
66141412
661501:19:23,656 --> 01:19:25,157
6616- They took him.
6617- What?
6618
66191413
662001:19:25,159 --> 01:19:26,360
6621They took him.
6622
66231414
662401:19:37,538 --> 01:19:38,403
6625Where is he?
6626
66271415
662801:19:38,405 --> 01:19:40,138
6629Sorry. Who are you?
6630
66311416
663201:19:40,140 --> 01:19:42,073
6633I'm Yasar Gun's wife.
6634Where's my husband?
6635
66361417
663701:19:42,075 --> 01:19:45,712
6638I'm sorry, ma'am.
6639He's scheduled for deportation.
6640
66411418
664201:19:46,381 --> 01:19:47,245
6643What?
6644
66451419
664601:19:47,247 --> 01:19:49,046
6647No. No, no. Uh, no, no.
6648
66491420
665001:19:49,048 --> 01:19:51,317
6651Look, look, there's been
6652some sort of mistake.
6653
66541421
665501:19:51,319 --> 01:19:53,285
6656I need to see my husband
6657right now.
6658
66591422
666001:19:53,287 --> 01:19:55,289
6661I'm afraid
6662that's not possible.
6663
66641423
666501:19:56,190 --> 01:19:57,923
6666You can't go in there!
6667
66681424
666901:19:57,925 --> 01:19:59,858
6670Please. Please,
6671please, please, please.
6672
66731425
667401:19:59,860 --> 01:20:01,225
6675Let me see him, please.
6676
66771426
667801:20:01,227 --> 01:20:02,428
6679Please, he doesn't
6680have anything with him.
6681
66821427
668301:20:02,430 --> 01:20:03,728
6684He doesn't even
6685have any money.
6686
66871428
668801:20:03,730 --> 01:20:06,697
6689I'm sorry.
6690They've already taken him.
6691
66921429
669301:20:06,699 --> 01:20:08,767
6694No, no.
6695They won't say where.
6696
66971430
669801:20:08,769 --> 01:20:10,868
6699I don't know. Oh, God, James,
6700I don't know what to do.
6701
67021431
670301:20:10,870 --> 01:20:13,471
6704Katharine, I'm so sorry.
6705I'm at the Hague.
6706
67071432
670801:20:13,473 --> 01:20:15,273
6709- Who's your MP?
6710- I don't know.
6711
67121433
671301:20:15,275 --> 01:20:17,175
6714- Is it Nigel Jones?
6715- Nigel Jones, yes. Yeah.
6716
67171434
671801:20:17,177 --> 01:20:18,411
6719Do you have
6720your marriage certificate?
6721
67221435
672301:20:18,413 --> 01:20:19,944
6724- Uh, yeah, yeah, somewhere.
6725- Right.
6726
67271436
672801:20:19,946 --> 01:20:22,480
6729Find it and
6730I'll track Nigel down.
6731
67321437
673301:20:22,482 --> 01:20:23,749
6734Of course they're legally
6735married, Beverly.
6736
67371438
673801:20:23,751 --> 01:20:25,617
6739I'm holding their
6740marriage certificate.
6741
67421439
674301:20:25,619 --> 01:20:26,852
6744I'm sorry,
6745but his application
6746
67471440
674801:20:26,854 --> 01:20:28,853
6749to remain in this country
6750has been denied.
6751
67521441
675301:20:28,855 --> 01:20:29,955
6754Mistakenly.
6755
67561442
675701:20:29,957 --> 01:20:31,456
6758He's complied
6759with every directive
6760
67611443
676201:20:31,458 --> 01:20:32,558
6763your department's issued.
6764
67651444
676601:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,492
6767Nigel, your constituent
6768is accused
6769
67701445
677101:20:34,494 --> 01:20:35,926
6772of betraying her country.
6773
67741446
677501:20:35,928 --> 01:20:37,996
6776Do you really think we should
6777be helping her husband?
6778
67791447
678001:20:37,998 --> 01:20:40,800
6781I think deporting her husband
6782when she's facing a trial
6783
67841448
678501:20:40,802 --> 01:20:43,304
6786looks like state bullying.
6787
67881449
678901:20:46,373 --> 01:20:49,073
6790All right,
6791I'll review his paperwork.
6792
67931450
679401:20:49,075 --> 01:20:50,710
6795Thank you.
6796
67971451
679801:20:50,712 --> 01:20:53,548
6799And please make sure he's not flown out tonight.
6800
68011452
680201:20:55,482 --> 01:20:57,950
6803I'm sorry.
6804Best I can do for now.
6805
68061453
680701:20:57,952 --> 01:21:01,118
6808I promise I will pick this up
6809first thing tomorrow.
6810
68111454
681201:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,755
6813Hello?
6814
68151455
681601:21:02,757 --> 01:21:05,323
6817We tracked him to
6818Harmondsworth Detention Center.
6819
68201456
682101:21:05,325 --> 01:21:07,760
6822It's a deportation center
6823at Heathrow Airport
6824
68251457
682601:21:07,762 --> 01:21:09,560
6827right off the M-25.
6828
68291458
683001:21:09,562 --> 01:21:11,496
6831Go to the main gate
6832and wait there.
6833
68341459
683501:21:11,498 --> 01:21:12,898
6836Uh, are they
6837gonna release him?
6838
68391460
684001:21:12,900 --> 01:21:15,401
6841We have ministerial
6842approval but no paperwork yet.
6843
68441461
684501:21:15,403 --> 01:21:17,035
6846There is a possibility
6847
68481462
684901:21:17,037 --> 01:21:19,237
6850he's already
6851been put on a plane.
6852
68531463
685401:21:19,239 --> 01:21:20,605
6855- What?
6856- Yeah, I'm checking.
6857
68581464
685901:21:20,607 --> 01:21:22,273
6860Just get there
6861as soon as you can.
6862
68631465
686401:21:22,275 --> 01:21:25,445
6865Out you go.
6866Let's go. Move it.
6867
68681466
686901:21:28,281 --> 01:21:30,482
6870This is a mistake, sir.
6871
68721467
687301:21:30,484 --> 01:21:32,520
6874- This is a mistake.
6875- Come on.
6876
68771468
687801:21:33,887 --> 01:21:35,888
6879Please.
6880
68811469
688201:21:35,890 --> 01:21:38,760
6883I need to call my wife.
6884I must call my wife!
6885
68861470
688701:22:05,019 --> 01:22:06,221
6888Next in line.
6889
68901471
689101:22:29,743 --> 01:22:30,745
6892Hello?
6893
68941472
689501:22:35,917 --> 01:22:36,985
6896Hello?
6897
68981473
689901:22:45,059 --> 01:22:46,261
6900Yeah?
6901
69021474
690301:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,760
6904James, James, um,
6905
69061475
690701:22:48,762 --> 01:22:51,196
6908I don't know if I'm
6909even at the right place.
6910
69111476
691201:22:51,198 --> 01:22:53,232
6913Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know,
6914but it's 4:00 a.m.
6915
69161477
691701:22:53,234 --> 01:22:55,700
6918There's nobody to talk to.
6919
69201478
692101:22:55,702 --> 01:22:58,439
6922Wait, wait.
6923Someone's coming. Wait.
6924
69251479
692601:23:00,074 --> 01:23:01,576
6927Oh, my God.
6928Oh, my God.
6929
69301480
693101:23:03,610 --> 01:23:05,477
6932I'm so sorry.
6933I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
6934
69351481
693601:23:05,479 --> 01:23:06,644
6937- It's all right.
6938- You okay?
6939
69401482
694101:23:06,646 --> 01:23:07,712
6942- I'm okay.
6943- Are you okay?
6944
69451483
694601:23:07,714 --> 01:23:09,449
6947- You're okay?
6948- Yeah, yeah.
6949
69501484
695101:23:16,757 --> 01:23:18,223
6952If they try and pull
6953anything like that again,
6954
69551485
695601:23:18,225 --> 01:23:19,323
6957then I want
6958to go public.
6959
69601486
696101:23:19,325 --> 01:23:20,858
6962- Not a good idea.
6963- Why not?
6964
69651487
696601:23:20,860 --> 01:23:23,260
6967Because people are fickle.
6968Many will hate you.
6969
69701488
697101:23:23,262 --> 01:23:25,096
6972Your personal lives
6973will be picked apart,
6974
69751489
697601:23:25,098 --> 01:23:26,697
6977your marriage
6978will be interrogated.
6979
69801490
698101:23:26,699 --> 01:23:28,567
6982In fact, we think
6983it will be best
6984
69851491
698601:23:28,569 --> 01:23:31,502
6987if Yasar was kept
6988well out of this.
6989
69901492
699101:23:31,504 --> 01:23:34,007
6992You should probably
6993not attend the trial.
6994
69951493
699601:23:35,441 --> 01:23:38,276
6997- I understand.
6998- What? No.
6999
70001494
700101:23:38,278 --> 01:23:40,444
7002Janum, we both know
7003the jury will prefer
7004
70051495
700601:23:40,446 --> 01:23:42,179
7007an English girl without
7008an immigrant husband.
7009
70101496
701101:23:42,181 --> 01:23:43,514
7012You know what?
7013That is ridiculous.
7014
70151497
701601:23:43,516 --> 01:23:45,951
7017We are married and we have
7018nothing to be ashamed of.
7019
70201498
702101:23:45,953 --> 01:23:47,719
7022The shame is on them, not you.
7023
70241499
702501:23:47,721 --> 01:23:51,624
7026You don't need to risk
7027your freedom to prove it.
7028
70291500
703001:23:51,626 --> 01:23:54,425
7031We should discuss
7032how you'll plead.
7033
70341501
703501:23:54,427 --> 01:23:55,626
7036Not guilty.
7037
70381502
703901:23:55,628 --> 01:23:57,729
7040But you understand
7041you confessed.
7042
70431503
704401:23:57,731 --> 01:24:01,200
7045I confessed that I leaked a memo
7046in order to try and save lives.
7047
70481504
704901:24:01,202 --> 01:24:05,804
7050And we will use that argument
7051to ask for a reduced sentence.
7052
70531505
705401:24:05,806 --> 01:24:08,773
7055If you do plead guilty,
7056there will be no jury.
7057
70581506
705901:24:08,775 --> 01:24:11,143
7060You could be out of jail
7061in less than six months.
7062
70631507
706401:24:11,145 --> 01:24:12,777
7065Given how badly
7066the war is going,
7067
70681508
706901:24:12,779 --> 01:24:15,179
7070we think a judge
7071is likely to be sympathetic.
7072
70731509
707401:24:15,181 --> 01:24:17,515
7075But I'd have
7076a criminal record.
7077
70781510
707901:24:17,517 --> 01:24:18,849
7080That is true.
7081
70821511
708301:24:18,851 --> 01:24:21,487
7084Which I would carry with me
7085for the rest of my life
7086
70871512
708801:24:21,489 --> 01:24:23,087
7089into every job interview,
7090
70911513
709201:24:23,089 --> 01:24:24,255
7093every application for credit.
7094
70951514
709601:24:24,257 --> 01:24:26,157
7097- Yes.
7098- And I'm sorry.
7099
71001515
710101:24:26,159 --> 01:24:28,893
7102We would be conceding
7103
71041516
710501:24:28,895 --> 01:24:32,163
7106that no one in Intelligence can
7107ever tell the British people
7108
71091517
711001:24:32,165 --> 01:24:33,866
7111when their government
7112is lying.
7113
71141518
711501:24:33,868 --> 01:24:35,334
7116Not when
7117the lies are protected
7118
71191519
712001:24:35,336 --> 01:24:37,702
7121by the
7122Official Secrets Act, no.
7123
71241520
712501:24:37,704 --> 01:24:39,036
7126I'm sorry.
7127This is all a charade.
7128
71291521
713001:24:39,038 --> 01:24:40,872
7131I mean, if you're saying
7132that I have to plead guilty
7133
71341522
713501:24:40,874 --> 01:24:43,642
7136because the act allows
7137absolutely no defense whatsoever,
7138
71391523
714001:24:43,644 --> 01:24:46,045
7141then the very idea
7142of a fair trial is a joke.
7143
71441524
714501:24:46,047 --> 01:24:47,779
7146I'm sorry,
7147Katharine,
7148
71491525
715001:24:47,781 --> 01:24:51,783
7151but the best we can do is
7152ask a judge for leniency.
7153
71541526
715501:24:51,785 --> 01:24:54,551
7156Post Belgrano, there
7157really is no defense
7158
71591527
716001:24:54,553 --> 01:24:56,087
7161to a breach of
7162the Official Secrets Act...
7163
71641528
716501:24:56,089 --> 01:24:57,992
7166Except perhaps one.
7167
71681529
716901:24:58,959 --> 01:25:00,593
7170Katharine said it herself.
7171
71721530
717301:25:00,595 --> 01:25:03,295
7174She leaked the memo
7175to try to save lives.
7176
71771531
717801:25:03,297 --> 01:25:04,728
7179But she still
7180broke the law.
7181
71821532
718301:25:04,730 --> 01:25:07,032
7184Yes, but there are circumstances
7185where you can break the law.
7186
71871533
718801:25:07,034 --> 01:25:09,835
7189It's only in situations
7190of absolute necessity...
7191
71921534
719301:25:09,837 --> 01:25:12,304
7194- Necessity. Exactly.
7195- Ben, you're reaching.
7196
71971535
719801:25:12,306 --> 01:25:15,608
7199Am I? What are the requirements
7200for a defense of necessity?
7201
72021536
720301:25:15,610 --> 01:25:17,643
7204Imminent threat to your life
7205or the lives of others.
7206
72071537
720801:25:17,645 --> 01:25:20,246
7209Yeah, and no other reasonable
7210way to prevent loss of life.
7211
72121538
721301:25:20,248 --> 01:25:21,813
7214Yes, right, well,
7215the invasion posed
7216
72171539
721801:25:21,815 --> 01:25:23,915
7219an imminent threat
7220to thousands of lives.
7221
72221540
722301:25:23,917 --> 01:25:25,850
7224Katharine has no right
7225to try and prevent a war
7226
72271541
722801:25:25,852 --> 01:25:27,118
7229authorized by
7230the Attorney General.
7231
72321542
723301:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,488
7234- Unless the war is illegal.
7235- What?
7236
72371543
723801:25:30,490 --> 01:25:33,724
7239Wait, wait, so now we're going to put the war on trial?
7240
72411544
724201:25:33,726 --> 01:25:34,893
7243Yes.
7244
72451545
724601:25:34,895 --> 01:25:39,363
7247I believe that Katharine Gun
7248tried to stop an illegal war.
7249
72501546
725101:25:39,365 --> 01:25:41,066
7252What she did was necessary
7253
72541547
725501:25:41,068 --> 01:25:44,435
7256to try to save thousands of
7257British-American and Iraqi lives.
7258
72591548
726001:25:44,437 --> 01:25:47,538
7261And Goldsmith
7262specifically stated
7263
72641549
726501:25:47,540 --> 01:25:49,040
7266that the invasion was legal.
7267
72681550
726901:25:49,042 --> 01:25:51,910
7270He said so only three days
7271before the invasion.
7272
72731551
727401:25:51,912 --> 01:25:53,312
7275What was his position
7276before that?
7277
72781552
727901:25:53,314 --> 01:25:56,081
7280What was his advice at the
7281time Katharine leaked the memo?
7282
72831553
728401:25:56,083 --> 01:25:57,948
7285- Well, we have no idea.
7286- Well, I'd like to find out.
7287
72881554
728901:25:57,950 --> 01:25:59,584
7290Because Blair spent
7291a lot of energy
7292
72931555
729401:25:59,586 --> 01:26:02,187
7295trying to secure
7296a new UN resolution.
7297
72981556
729901:26:02,189 --> 01:26:03,421
7300I suppose.
7301
73021557
730301:26:03,423 --> 01:26:05,590
7304When Lord Goldsmith
7305finally said
7306
73071558
730801:26:05,592 --> 01:26:09,161
7309the war was legal,
7310his deputy legal advisor resigned.
7311
73121559
731301:26:09,163 --> 01:26:10,961
7314Yes, Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
7315Yeah, that's right.
7316
73171560
731801:26:10,963 --> 01:26:12,496
7319- She resigned. Yes, yes.
7320- But she didn't say why.
7321
73221561
732301:26:12,498 --> 01:26:14,032
7324She couldn't.
7325
73261562
732701:26:14,034 --> 01:26:16,001
7328If she did, she'd be charged
7329under the Official Secrets Act.
7330
73311563
733201:26:16,003 --> 01:26:18,202
7333So I need to get a meeting
7334with Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
7335
73361564
733701:26:18,204 --> 01:26:20,171
7338- She's not gonna go public.
7339- She doesn't have to.
7340
73411565
734201:26:20,173 --> 01:26:21,406
7343All we need is a hint
7344
73451566
734601:26:21,408 --> 01:26:24,242
7347that Goldsmith changed his mind
7348about the legality of the war.
7349
73501567
735101:26:24,244 --> 01:26:28,179
7352I'm sorry, Ben. There are two
7353ways they could justify war.
7354
73551568
735601:26:28,181 --> 01:26:30,447
7357- We've only addressed one.
7358- So what am I missing?
7359
73601569
736101:26:30,449 --> 01:26:31,916
7362- Self-defense.
7363- Oh, come on.
7364
73651570
736601:26:31,918 --> 01:26:33,852
7367Does anyone honestly believe
7368that this country
7369
73701571
737101:26:33,854 --> 01:26:35,621
7372was about to be attacked
7373by Iraq?
7374
73751572
737601:26:35,623 --> 01:26:37,923
7377I do agree, but that's why
7378they trotted out Powell.
7379
73801573
738101:26:37,925 --> 01:26:40,157
7382- To make the case for WMDs.
7383- Oh.
7384
73851574
738601:26:40,159 --> 01:26:41,960
7387If it's true that Iraq has
7388weapons of mass destruction
7389
73901575
739101:26:41,962 --> 01:26:44,595
7392that pose an imminent threat
7393to this country,
7394
73951576
739601:26:44,597 --> 01:26:48,567
7397the war is legal
7398without a UN resolution.
7399
74001577
740101:26:48,569 --> 01:26:49,901
7402How many people
7403actually believe
7404
74051578
740601:26:49,903 --> 01:26:51,803
7407Iraq still has weapons
7408of mass destruction?
7409
74101579
741101:26:51,805 --> 01:26:53,272
7412Well,
7413they're still looking.
7414
74151580
741601:26:53,274 --> 01:26:56,711
7417If we go down this route,
7418we better pray none are found.
7419
74201581
742101:26:58,913 --> 01:27:01,649
7422I'm gonna get
7423Elizabeth Wilmshurst's number.
7424
74251582
742601:27:04,185 --> 01:27:06,885
7427You've put me
7428in a rather awkward position.
7429
74301583
743101:27:06,887 --> 01:27:10,955
7432I'm sorry, but thank you
7433for seeing me.
7434
74351584
743601:27:10,957 --> 01:27:14,024
7437I think what she did
7438took great courage.
7439
74401585
744101:27:14,026 --> 01:27:17,862
7442And she was naive,
7443of course, but brave.
7444
74451586
744601:27:17,864 --> 01:27:20,935
7447And you were
7448brave enough to resign.
7449
74501587
745101:27:23,470 --> 01:27:26,638
7452But not to
7453speak out in public.
7454
74551588
745601:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,041
7457If I had, I might have caused
7458more of a brouhaha.
7459
74601589
746101:27:30,043 --> 01:27:31,910
7462Sparked a proper debate.
7463
74641590
746501:27:31,912 --> 01:27:36,083
7466Can I ask you, uh,
7467how did you resign?
7468
74691591
747001:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,756
7471I wrote a letter.
7472
74731592
747401:27:43,056 --> 01:27:46,191
7475And in that letter,
7476did you give a reason
7477
74781593
747901:27:46,193 --> 01:27:48,225
7480for your resignation?
7481
74821594
748301:27:48,227 --> 01:27:51,563
7484I restated my position on
7485the legality of going to war.
7486
74871595
748801:27:51,565 --> 01:27:53,430
7489Which was?
7490
74911596
749201:27:53,432 --> 01:27:55,800
7493That it would
7494not be lawful to use force
7495
74961597
749701:27:55,802 --> 01:27:59,170
7498without a new
7499Security Council resolution.
7500
75011598
750201:27:59,172 --> 01:28:03,910
7503Um, did Goldsmith initially
7504support your view?
7505
75061599
750701:28:05,110 --> 01:28:06,879
7508He did.
7509
75101600
751101:28:06,881 --> 01:28:09,113
7512He told Blair that
7513if military action were taken,
7514
75151601
751601:28:09,115 --> 01:28:11,282
7517he expected
7518the government to be accused
7519
75201602
752101:28:11,284 --> 01:28:13,820
7522of acting unlawfully.
7523
75241603
752501:28:15,321 --> 01:28:17,992
7526And was that
7527a written opinion?
7528
75291604
753001:28:19,092 --> 01:28:21,228
7531It was a detailed
7532advisory document.
7533
75341605
753501:28:23,029 --> 01:28:26,363
7536Right, so then would that
7537have been his position
7538
75391606
754001:28:26,365 --> 01:28:29,501
7541at the time that Katharine Gun
7542printed the Koza memo
7543
75441607
754501:28:29,503 --> 01:28:31,105
7546on February 3?
7547
75481608
754901:28:33,540 --> 01:28:34,742
7550Yes.
7551
75521609
755301:28:36,976 --> 01:28:39,046
7554And then
7555he went to Washington.
7556
75571610
755801:28:39,946 --> 01:28:41,380
7559Oh, really?
7560
75611611
756201:28:41,382 --> 01:28:46,053
7563- Well, who did he meet there?
7564- I wasn't given details.
7565
75661612
756701:28:47,154 --> 01:28:50,822
7568But after that trip,
7569his opinion changed.
7570
75711613
757201:28:50,824 --> 01:28:53,959
7573In nine short paragraphs,
7574he said that
7575
75761614
757701:28:53,961 --> 01:28:57,528
7578the UN's authorization
7579for the 1991 Gulf War
7580
75811615
758201:28:57,530 --> 01:28:59,965
7583could be reactivated
7584
75851616
758601:28:59,967 --> 01:29:02,401
7587to legitimize
7588a new war with Iraq.
7589
75901617
759101:29:02,403 --> 01:29:05,702
7592He told the Prime Minister
7593what he wanted to hear?
7594
75951618
759601:29:05,704 --> 01:29:07,839
7597At best, he was
7598persuaded to support
7599
76001619
760101:29:07,841 --> 01:29:10,474
7602a really fringe point of view.
7603
76041620
760501:29:10,476 --> 01:29:13,644
7606- Oh, really fringe.
7607- Yeah.
7608
76091621
761001:29:19,418 --> 01:29:21,118
7611- Martin Bright.
7612- Martin.
7613
76141622
761501:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,420
7616- Ben.
7617- Ben.
7618
76191623
762001:29:22,422 --> 01:29:23,854
7621I took
7622your whistleblower's case.
7623
76241624
762501:29:23,856 --> 01:29:26,291
7626Yes, I heard.
7627Can I meet her?
7628
76291625
763001:29:26,293 --> 01:29:28,760
7631No, not yet, Martin.
7632I don't want a media frenzy.
7633
76341626
763501:29:28,762 --> 01:29:30,062
7636Okay. When she's ready.
7637
76381627
763901:29:30,064 --> 01:29:32,296
7640Before some hack
7641tracks her down.
7642
76431628
764401:29:32,298 --> 01:29:34,532
7645Come on, Ben, I broke her story.
7646I'm on her side.
7647
76481629
764901:29:34,534 --> 01:29:36,234
7650Well, you can help
7651by finding out
7652
76531630
765401:29:36,236 --> 01:29:38,803
7655why the Attorney General
7656went to Washington
7657
76581631
765901:29:38,805 --> 01:29:40,671
7660just before the war started.
7661
76621632
766301:29:40,673 --> 01:29:43,175
7664Wait, Goldsmith went to DC?
7665
76661633
766701:29:43,177 --> 01:29:44,876
7668I'd like to know
7669who he met there.
7670
76711634
767201:29:44,878 --> 01:29:46,044
7673Right. I'm on it.
7674
76751635
767601:29:46,046 --> 01:29:48,479
7677- And how is Peter?
7678- Peter is in Iraq.
7679
76801636
768101:29:48,481 --> 01:29:50,782
7682Yeah, yeah, I know.
7683I've been reading his articles.
7684
76851637
768601:29:50,784 --> 01:29:53,050
7687Listen, if he hears anything,
7688even a hint
7689
76901638
769101:29:53,052 --> 01:29:56,287
7692that Saddam really did have
7693weapons of mass destruction,
7694
76951639
769601:29:56,289 --> 01:29:57,456
7697then please call me.
7698
76991640
770001:29:57,458 --> 01:29:59,590
7701Of course. Can I ask why?
7702
77031641
770401:29:59,592 --> 01:30:01,559
7705Well, let's just say
7706that if WMD are found,
7707
77081642
770901:30:01,561 --> 01:30:04,862
7710then defending Katharine will
7711be a little more complicated.
7712
77131643
771401:30:04,864 --> 01:30:06,697
7715- I'll get back to you.
7716- All right, thank you.
7717
77181644
771901:30:06,699 --> 01:30:08,135
7720Okay. Thank you. Bye.
7721
77221645
772301:30:10,104 --> 01:30:11,935
7724There's thousands
7725of inspectors here
7726
77271646
772801:30:11,937 --> 01:30:14,139
7729from the US Army,
7730the British Army
7731
77321647
773301:30:14,141 --> 01:30:15,773
7734the CIA, FBI.
7735
77361648
773701:30:15,775 --> 01:30:17,175
7738And still nothing?
7739
77401649
774101:30:17,177 --> 01:30:20,510
7742No, no, not a fucking thing.
7743Nothing.
7744
77451650
774601:30:20,512 --> 01:30:23,380
7747Anyway, some Polish troops found
7748a cache of Sarin gas warheads
7749
77501651
775101:30:23,382 --> 01:30:25,884
7752dating back to the Iran-Iraq
7753War, but they were all empty.
7754
77551652
775601:30:25,886 --> 01:30:27,618
7757And right now, I'm standing
7758in a glass factory
7759
77601653
776101:30:27,620 --> 01:30:31,792
7762and all they've found is piles
7763of silica sand and soda ash.
7764
77651654
776601:30:34,028 --> 01:30:34,926
7767So, yeah.
7768
77691655
777001:30:34,928 --> 01:30:36,862
7771Things must be getting ugly
7772in Washington.
7773
77741656
777501:30:36,864 --> 01:30:39,063
7776Well, you should talk to Ed.
7777
77781657
777901:30:39,065 --> 01:30:41,465
7780Maybe we could end up doing
7781a joint piece or something.
7782
77831658
778401:30:43,169 --> 01:30:45,603
7785- Peter, what was that?
7786- No, no, no.
7787
77881659
778901:30:45,605 --> 01:30:48,105
7790It's just our guys detonating
7791some conventional ordnance.
7792
77931660
779401:30:48,107 --> 01:30:49,707
7795- They don't wanna have...
7796- Jesus.
7797
77981661
779901:30:49,709 --> 01:30:52,510
7800...kids finding unexploded
7801shit in the rubble.
7802
78031662
780401:30:52,512 --> 01:30:54,979
7805All right, talk soon.
7806Take care.
7807
78081663
780901:30:54,981 --> 01:30:57,916
7810Yeah, all right, mate. Bye.
7811
78121664
781301:30:57,918 --> 01:31:00,285
7814- February 11.
7815- What?
7816
78171665
781801:31:00,287 --> 01:31:03,121
7819Goldsmith's in DC
7820meeting with the attorneys
7821
78221666
782301:31:03,123 --> 01:31:05,290
7824for Bush, Powell,
7825Rumsfeld and Rice.
7826
78271667
782801:31:05,292 --> 01:31:07,325
7829- Okay, hold on...
7830- But that's not the big story.
7831
78321668
783301:31:07,327 --> 01:31:10,728
7834The really big story
7835is the OSP.
7836
78371669
783801:31:10,730 --> 01:31:12,296
7839The Office of Special Plans.
7840
78411670
784201:31:12,298 --> 01:31:14,831
7843Turns out when Bush wasn't getting
7844the intelligence he wanted,
7845
78461671
784701:31:14,833 --> 01:31:17,669
7848Rumsfeld bypassed the CIA
7849
78501672
785101:31:17,671 --> 01:31:20,071
7852and set up his own
7853intelligence unit.
7854
78551673
785601:31:20,073 --> 01:31:22,372
7857They fed
7858raw unvetted intelligence
7859
78601674
786101:31:22,374 --> 01:31:25,876
7862to Bush and Powell
7863who lied us into a war!
7864
78651675
786601:31:25,878 --> 01:31:27,578
7867Yeah. Okay, Ed.
7868I appreciate that.
7869
78701676
787101:31:27,580 --> 01:31:29,014
7872But let's, first, try and help
7873
78741677
787501:31:29,016 --> 01:31:30,848
7876a young woman
7877stay out of prison.
7878
78791678
788001:31:30,850 --> 01:31:33,050
7881Uh, you said Goldsmith
7882met Bush's lawyers
7883
78841679
788501:31:33,052 --> 01:31:35,120
7886on February 11.
7887Who were those lawyers?
7888
78891680
789001:31:35,122 --> 01:31:36,987
7891"John Ashcroft,
7892Alberto Gonzales,
7893
78941681
789501:31:36,989 --> 01:31:40,125
7896William Taft, Jim Haynes,
7897John Bellinger."
7898
78991682
790001:31:40,127 --> 01:31:43,327
7901The attorneys for Bush,
7902Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice.
7903
79041683
790501:31:43,329 --> 01:31:46,096
7906Wow. They really
7907turned up the heat.
7908
79091684
791001:31:46,098 --> 01:31:49,099
7911You know, I almost
7912feel sorry for Goldsmith.
7913
79141685
791501:31:49,101 --> 01:31:52,402
7916Don't. He fucking caved when
7917his country needed him most.
7918
79191686
792001:31:52,404 --> 01:31:54,773
7921- That's a great headline, mate.
7922- It bloody is.
7923
79241687
792501:31:54,775 --> 01:31:56,375
7926- All right.
7927- Print it.
7928
79291688
793001:31:56,377 --> 01:31:58,343
7931- Yeah. Bye.
7932- We'll share the byline.
7933
79341689
793501:31:58,345 --> 01:31:59,777
7936Bye.
7937
79381690
793901:31:59,779 --> 01:32:01,112
7940Nutter.
7941
79421691
794301:32:01,114 --> 01:32:03,048
7944Goldsmith was
7945under tremendous pressure
7946
79471692
794801:32:03,050 --> 01:32:04,648
7949before he went to Washington.
7950
79511693
795201:32:04,650 --> 01:32:06,283
7953Our military were
7954refusing to invade
7955
79561694
795701:32:06,285 --> 01:32:07,986
7958without a clear legal opinion
7959from him
7960
79611695
796201:32:07,988 --> 01:32:09,586
7963that what they were doing
7964was legal
7965
79661696
796701:32:09,588 --> 01:32:11,156
7968in case of a war crimes trial.
7969
79701697
797101:32:11,158 --> 01:32:13,057
7972Thank you, Martin,
7973very helpful.
7974
79751698
797601:32:13,059 --> 01:32:14,693
7977Well, no, hang on,
7978hang on, hang on.
7979
79801699
798101:32:14,695 --> 01:32:15,992
7982Do you think
7983you have a defense?
7984
79851700
798601:32:15,994 --> 01:32:17,495
7987- We're working on it.
7988- Okay.
7989
79901701
799101:32:17,497 --> 01:32:19,163
7992- Let me know when you do.
7993- Well, you'll hear it in court.
7994
79951702
799601:32:19,165 --> 01:32:20,965
7997- Come on, Ben.
7998- Bye.
7999
80001703
800101:32:20,967 --> 01:32:22,901
8002- He's persistent.
8003- He is.
8004
80051704
800601:32:22,903 --> 01:32:24,102
8007But it's your story
8008
80091705
801001:32:24,104 --> 01:32:26,703
8011and you don't need
8012a media trial.
8013
80141706
801501:32:26,705 --> 01:32:29,741
8016We should request full
8017disclosure of all legal advice
8018
80191707
802001:32:29,743 --> 01:32:33,310
8021given by Goldsmith in the year
8022leading up to the invasion.
8023
80241708
802501:32:33,312 --> 01:32:35,179
8026He'll almost certainly
8027refuse to comply.
8028
80291709
803001:32:35,181 --> 01:32:37,148
8031Then we'll
8032subpoena Wilmshurst.
8033
80341710
803501:32:37,150 --> 01:32:40,085
8036Hell, we'll subpoena Goldsmith himself.
8037And Blair too.
8038
80391711
804001:32:40,087 --> 01:32:44,255
8041Ben, if we can't prove that
8042Goldsmith changed his advice,
8043
80441712
804501:32:44,257 --> 01:32:48,062
8046we can't argue that Katharine
8047tried to stop an illegal war.
8048
80491713
805001:32:48,529 --> 01:32:49,897
8051What then?
8052
80531714
805401:32:58,404 --> 01:33:02,275
8055- Then I'll be found guilty.
8056- Almost certainly, yes.
8057
80581715
805901:33:09,516 --> 01:33:12,684
8060So, do you want
8061to risk it all
8062
80631716
806401:33:12,686 --> 01:33:17,889
8065and ask for disclosure
8066of the government's documents,
8067
80681717
806901:33:17,891 --> 01:33:19,323
8070or would you
8071rather plead guilty
8072
80731718
807401:33:19,325 --> 01:33:22,195
8075and hope
8076for a reduced sentence?
8077
80781719
807901:33:30,303 --> 01:33:31,504
8080I think...
8081
80821720
808301:33:33,272 --> 01:33:36,644
8084...we were lied
8085into an illegal war.
8086
80871721
808801:33:42,681 --> 01:33:44,584
8089Let's ask for the documents.
8090
80911722
809201:33:50,891 --> 01:33:52,159
8093All right.
8094
80951723
809601:34:22,388 --> 01:34:23,988
8097You ready?
8098
80991724
810001:34:23,990 --> 01:34:25,889
8101No statements now,
8102remember.
8103
81041725
810501:34:25,891 --> 01:34:27,627
8106Let's just get through
8107those doors.
8108
81091726
811001:34:50,650 --> 01:34:53,151
8111- Katharine, you okay?
8112- Yeah.
8113
81141727
811501:34:53,153 --> 01:34:54,986
8116Ben's already
8117in the courtroom
8118
81191728
812001:34:54,988 --> 01:34:57,255
8121but he wanted you to
8122meet Martin Bright.
8123
81241729
812501:34:57,257 --> 01:34:59,724
8126Uh, he's covering the trial.
8127
81281730
812901:34:59,726 --> 01:35:01,526
8130Katharine, it's an honor.
8131
81321731
813301:35:01,528 --> 01:35:04,161
8134I'll be in the press gallery.
8135I hope that's all right?
8136
81371732
813801:35:04,163 --> 01:35:06,965
8139Yeah, uh, yeah. You...
8140
81411733
814201:35:06,967 --> 01:35:09,600
8143You took a real risk.
8144
81451734
814601:35:09,602 --> 01:35:11,368
8147No, you took the risk.
8148
81491735
815001:35:11,370 --> 01:35:12,938
8151I think what you did
8152was extraordinary.
8153
81541736
815501:35:12,940 --> 01:35:15,673
8156I think what you exposed
8157was extraordinary.
8158
81591737
816001:35:15,675 --> 01:35:17,375
8161All our institutions
8162failed us.
8163
81641738
816501:35:17,377 --> 01:35:19,210
8166The government,
8167the intelligence services,
8168
81691739
817001:35:19,212 --> 01:35:22,346
8171the press,
8172they failed us categorically.
8173
81741740
817501:35:22,348 --> 01:35:25,183
8176Even my own paper supported
8177the war before that memo.
8178
81791741
818001:35:25,185 --> 01:35:26,718
8181Well, thank you
8182for being here.
8183
81841742
818501:35:26,720 --> 01:35:28,819
8186No, thank you.
8187
81881743
818901:35:28,821 --> 01:35:32,159
8190It's important what you did.
8191It matters.
8192
81931744
819401:35:33,525 --> 01:35:36,094
8195- We should go in, Martin.
8196- Yes.
8197
81981745
819901:35:36,096 --> 01:35:39,700
8200Sorry, James. Yes.
8201Uh, be strong.
8202
82031746
820401:35:42,302 --> 01:35:44,801
8205Katharine,
8206you're going that way.
8207
82081747
820901:35:44,803 --> 01:35:46,670
8210Uh, can I just have a moment?
8211
82121748
821301:35:46,672 --> 01:35:48,474
8214- Of course.
8215- Thanks.
8216
82171749
821801:35:51,511 --> 01:35:53,577
8219You should leave that
8220behind, ma'am.
8221
82221750
822301:35:53,579 --> 01:35:56,315
8224Uh, yeah, sorry,
8225can I just have a second? Just...
8226
82271751
822801:36:06,926 --> 01:36:08,425
8229Janum?
8230
82311752
823201:36:08,427 --> 01:36:11,664
8233Hi. Um, I'm about to go in.
8234
82351753
823601:36:15,735 --> 01:36:17,104
8237I love you.
8238
82391754
824001:36:18,504 --> 01:36:20,671
8241I love you too.
8242
82431755
824401:36:20,673 --> 01:36:24,709
8245Uh, I'm gonna try
8246and call as soon as I can.
8247
82481756
824901:36:24,711 --> 01:36:26,579
8250I wish I was there with you.
8251
82521757
825301:36:29,716 --> 01:36:31,084
8254I know.
8255
82561758
825701:36:32,019 --> 01:36:33,651
8258I'm so sorry.
8259
82601759
826101:36:33,653 --> 01:36:36,256
8262You have nothing
8263to be sorry for.
8264
82651760
826601:36:37,422 --> 01:36:41,127
8267I'm so proud of you.
8268So proud of you.
8269
82701761
827101:36:43,497 --> 01:36:45,399
8272Bye.
8273
82741762
827501:36:46,867 --> 01:36:48,135
8276Bye.
8277
82781763
827901:36:54,106 --> 01:36:55,641
8280Miss?
8281
82821764
828301:36:56,943 --> 01:36:58,145
8284Sorry.
8285
82861765
828701:36:58,811 --> 01:37:00,478
8288I can take your bag.
8289
82901766
829101:37:00,480 --> 01:37:03,117
8292- We'll see you in there, okay?
8293- Yeah.
8294
82951767
829601:37:34,379 --> 01:37:37,217
8297Your scarf and jacket,
8298please.
8299
83001768
830101:37:42,521 --> 01:37:45,591
8302Okay, and then
8303if you'll raise your arms.
8304
83051769
830601:37:59,506 --> 01:38:00,507
8307Okay.
8308
83091770
831001:38:05,811 --> 01:38:06,946
8311She's here.
8312
83131771
831401:38:07,881 --> 01:38:09,813
8315Right. Okay.
8316
83171772
831801:38:09,815 --> 01:38:10,950
8319Judge is ready.
8320
83211773
832201:38:21,160 --> 01:38:22,428
8323Up you go.
8324
83251774
832601:38:44,418 --> 01:38:47,285
8327Are you
8328Katharine Teresa Gun?
8329
83301775
833101:38:47,287 --> 01:38:48,419
8332Yes.
8333
83341776
833501:38:48,421 --> 01:38:52,156
8336I'm sorry.
8337Can you speak up, please?
8338
83391777
834001:38:52,158 --> 01:38:53,523
8341Yes, I am.
8342
83431778
834401:38:53,525 --> 01:38:56,126
8345"Katharine Teresa Gun,
8346
83471779
834801:38:56,128 --> 01:38:57,560
8349"you are charged
8350with an offense
8351
83521780
835301:38:57,562 --> 01:39:00,698
8354"contrary to Section 1,
8355Subsection 1
8356
83571781
835801:39:00,700 --> 01:39:04,501
8359"of the Official Secrets Act
8360of 1989.
8361
83621782
836301:39:04,503 --> 01:39:08,673
8364"In that between January 30
8365and March 2 of 2003
8366
83671783
836801:39:08,675 --> 01:39:11,309
8369"you did knowingly
8370and intentionally
8371
83721784
837301:39:11,311 --> 01:39:14,245
8374"disclose top secret
8375intelligence information
8376
83771785
837801:39:14,247 --> 01:39:16,714
8379"contrary to the said act."
8380
83811786
838201:39:16,716 --> 01:39:20,654
8383How do you plead?
8384Guilty or not guilty?
8385
83861787
838701:39:22,989 --> 01:39:24,357
8388Ms. Gun?
8389
83901788
839101:39:27,360 --> 01:39:28,893
8392Not guilty.
8393
83941789
839501:39:33,033 --> 01:39:35,435
8396Yes, Mr. Ellison.
8397
83981790
839901:39:39,204 --> 01:39:41,374
8400Yes, thank you, My Lord.
8401
84021791
840301:39:42,374 --> 01:39:46,111
8404My Lord, in light of
8405recent developments,
8406
84071792
840801:39:46,113 --> 01:39:48,478
8409the prosecution
8410will offer no evidence
8411
84121793
841301:39:48,480 --> 01:39:51,215
8414against the defendant
8415on this indictment.
8416
84171794
841801:39:52,852 --> 01:39:54,520
8419I beg your pardon?
8420
84211795
842201:39:56,823 --> 01:40:00,291
8423My Lord, the prosecution will
8424not pursue the indictment.
8425
84261796
842701:40:00,293 --> 01:40:01,561
8428Today?
8429
84301797
843101:40:02,495 --> 01:40:04,862
8432- No, My Lord.
8433- I'm sorry.
8434
84351798
843601:40:04,864 --> 01:40:08,368
8437Are you asking for
8438an adjournment, Mr. Ellison?
8439
84401799
844101:40:09,334 --> 01:40:10,701
8442No, My Lord.
8443
84441800
844501:40:10,703 --> 01:40:12,803
8446You are saying
8447that you do not wish
8448
84491801
845001:40:12,805 --> 01:40:15,907
8451to proceed at all?
8452
84531802
845401:40:15,909 --> 01:40:17,274
8455Yes, My Lord.
8456
84571803
845801:40:17,276 --> 01:40:19,645
8459But the accused confessed.
8460
84611804
846201:40:20,881 --> 01:40:21,844
8463Yes, My Lord.
8464
84651805
846601:40:21,846 --> 01:40:24,615
8467And yet you do not
8468wish to proceed?
8469
84701806
847101:40:24,617 --> 01:40:26,416
8472- No, My Lord.
8473- I'm sorry.
8474
84751807
847601:40:26,418 --> 01:40:28,486
8477I find that extraordinary.
8478
84791808
848001:40:28,488 --> 01:40:30,524
8481Do you care to explain?
8482
84831809
848401:40:33,025 --> 01:40:36,559
8485My Lord, the accused
8486submitted an unusual defense.
8487
84881810
848901:40:36,561 --> 01:40:39,162
8490Yes. The defense of necessity.
8491
84921811
849301:40:39,164 --> 01:40:40,798
8494- Yes.
8495- And?
8496
84971812
849801:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,167
8499And we do not believe we have
8500sufficient evidence to rebut it.
8501
85021813
850301:40:44,169 --> 01:40:46,036
8504Why not? She confessed.
8505
85061814
850701:40:46,038 --> 01:40:47,639
8508Because, My Lord,
8509
85101815
851101:40:47,641 --> 01:40:50,642
8512the documents that
8513we have called for would show
8514
85151816
851601:40:50,644 --> 01:40:54,045
8517that this country was taken
8518to war illegally...
8519
85201817
852101:40:55,381 --> 01:40:57,915
8522...and may expose
8523
85241818
852501:40:57,917 --> 01:41:01,452
8526the government to
8527charges of war crimes.
8528
85291819
853001:41:01,454 --> 01:41:03,890
8531- That is absurd!
8532- Is it?
8533
85341820
853501:41:05,624 --> 01:41:07,692
8536Then kindly hand over
8537the documents
8538
85391821
854001:41:07,694 --> 01:41:10,661
8541that we have asked to see.
8542
85431822
854401:41:10,663 --> 01:41:12,429
8545My Lord, the prosecution
8546is not obliged.
8547
85481823
854901:41:12,431 --> 01:41:15,765
8550Indeed, it is not permitted to continue
8551with a case if it does not believe
8552
85531824
855401:41:15,767 --> 01:41:18,368
8555there is a realistic prospect
8556of a conviction.
8557
85581825
855901:41:18,370 --> 01:41:20,604
8560To do so would be a waste
8561of taxpayers' funds.
8562
85631826
856401:41:20,606 --> 01:41:22,473
8565My Lord, I am thankful
8566
85671827
856801:41:22,475 --> 01:41:25,643
8569that the charges against
8570Ms. Gun are being withdrawn
8571
85721828
857301:41:25,645 --> 01:41:28,277
8574and that the Crown
8575is suddenly so determined
8576
85771829
857801:41:28,279 --> 01:41:30,480
8579not to waste taxpayers' money.
8580
85811830
858201:41:30,482 --> 01:41:33,718
8583But surely,
8584after months of uncertainty
8585
85861831
858701:41:33,720 --> 01:41:38,022
8588and severe distress,
8589Ms. Gun is entitled to know
8590
85911832
859201:41:38,024 --> 01:41:40,925
8593why the government
8594is dropping this case?
8595
85961833
859701:41:40,927 --> 01:41:44,194
8598Indeed, the public
8599is entitled to know.
8600
86011834
860201:41:44,196 --> 01:41:45,998
8603- Hear, hear.
8604- Hear.
8605
86061835
860701:41:48,534 --> 01:41:50,069
8608Mr. Ellison?
8609
86101836
861101:41:53,338 --> 01:41:55,005
8612Again, My Lord, we do not feel
8613
86141837
861501:41:55,007 --> 01:41:57,908
8616we have a realistic prospect
8617of a conviction.
8618
86191838
862001:41:57,910 --> 01:42:00,046
8621There is nothing more
8622I can say.
8623
86241839
862501:42:01,047 --> 01:42:02,580
8626To be clear,
8627
86281840
862901:42:02,582 --> 01:42:06,750
8630you are withdrawing
8631all charges
8632
86331841
863401:42:06,752 --> 01:42:09,489
8635against
8636Katharine Teresa Gun?
8637
86381842
863901:42:12,525 --> 01:42:13,657
8640Yes, My Lord.
8641
86421843
864301:42:24,471 --> 01:42:25,872
8644Ms. Gun...
8645
86461844
864701:42:31,244 --> 01:42:32,813
8648...you are free to go.
8649
86501845
865101:43:08,280 --> 01:43:11,215
8652In a startling about-turn,
8653the Crown Prosecution Service
8654
86551846
865601:43:11,217 --> 01:43:13,350
8657has dropped its case
8658against an intelligence...
8659
86601847
866101:43:13,352 --> 01:43:16,754
8662At 29, Katharine Gun
8663was facing jail for breaking the...
8664
86651848
866601:43:16,756 --> 01:43:18,054
8667The last thing
8668the government wanted
8669
86701849
867101:43:18,056 --> 01:43:19,523
8672within months
8673of a general election
8674
86751850
867601:43:19,525 --> 01:43:20,758
8677was a big court case
8678
86791851
868001:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,859
8681focusing on the legality
8682of that war...
8683
86841852
868501:43:22,861 --> 01:43:24,795
8686The lawyers wanted
8687the Attorney General's
8688
86891853
869001:43:24,797 --> 01:43:26,563
8691secret advice
8692to Downing Street
8693
86941854
869501:43:26,565 --> 01:43:29,466
8696about whether invading Iraq
8697was or was not legal
8698
86991855
870001:43:29,468 --> 01:43:31,468
8701disclosed that the...
8702
87031856
870401:43:31,470 --> 01:43:34,507
8705And he was involved in deciding
8706whether today's case...
8707
87081857
870901:43:39,645 --> 01:43:42,979
8710First tonight,
8711Katharine Gun walks free.
8712
87131858
871401:43:42,981 --> 01:43:44,915
8715In a dramatic about-turn,
8716the Crown...
8717
87181859
871901:43:44,917 --> 01:43:46,684
8720So did the Attorney General
8721
87221860
872301:43:46,686 --> 01:43:48,518
8724put pressure on to stop
8725the trial?
8726
87271861
872801:43:48,520 --> 01:43:50,121
8729Did GCHQ?
8730
87311862
873201:43:50,123 --> 01:43:52,590
8733Did the prime minister?
8734No answers.
8735
87361863
873701:43:52,592 --> 01:43:54,259
8738Tonight we're simply
8739asked to believe
8740
87411864
874201:43:54,261 --> 01:43:56,997
8743that there was no case
8744to answer.
8745
87461865
874701:44:00,467 --> 01:44:02,767
8748Would you do it again?
8749
87501866
875101:44:02,769 --> 01:44:04,801
8752- Would you do it again?
8753- I have no regrets.
8754
87551867
875601:44:04,803 --> 01:44:07,039
8757Yes, and I would
8758do it again, yes.
8759
87601868
876101:44:22,622 --> 01:44:23,990
8762Caught anything?
8763
87641869
876501:44:25,257 --> 01:44:26,626
8766Not yet.
8767
87681870
876901:44:40,940 --> 01:44:44,010
8770You know, it wasn't
8771my choice to prosecute.
8772
87731871
877401:44:45,845 --> 01:44:49,348
8775I was bound by the decision
8776of the Attorney General.
8777
87781872
877901:44:50,748 --> 01:44:54,152
8780Why did you keep her
8781in a state of distress
8782
87831873
878401:44:54,154 --> 01:44:58,721
8785for a year
8786before you brought charges?
8787
87881874
878901:44:58,723 --> 01:45:02,492
8790The services wanted to make
8791an example of her.
8792
87931875
879401:45:02,494 --> 01:45:05,429
8795If we dropped the case
8796any earlier,
8797
87981876
879901:45:05,431 --> 01:45:08,133
8800what kind of message
8801would that have sent?
8802
88031877
880401:45:13,138 --> 01:45:15,007
8805Do me a favor, Ken.
8806
88071878
880801:45:15,675 --> 01:45:17,744
8809Go and fish somewhere else.
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88111879
881201:45:51,244 --> 01:45:56,244
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