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10:00this is the fourth dialogue between J Krishnamurti David berm and it includes
20:06dr. paurshure and brockwood park 1975 i mean i think that is conference which
30:18incidentally was very successful and all those that is really on a degree that
40:23yes several or in England there already
50:28they like that very much and I think several questions came up with an hour
60:36related to what we've been talking about and I would say that we have to get into
70:42the question of beauty and goodness and love but probably best to start with
80:51desire
90:52I thought because that practices as rude as the factor which is because of the
100:58confusion because it imitates those three
111:05why has designed have become sitting a troll important thing in life
121:15yes well perhaps if we discussed it around
131:19I looked up the word is it's based on a French word which originally meant
141:23something missing something me see yes and obviously it's basic meaning is
151:28yearning longing craving and anchoring thinking it so closely associated words
161:36are road believe and hope you see think and hope for example is it was the
171:46confident expectation that desire will be realized
181:51and I think believe is connected with it is the word believe has the word love
191:55and I believe believe you and love in a sense of desire which are discussing
201:59their for what you believe is what you desire is to believe you remembered that
212:07sorts of falseness because you accept us true just because it desired so the
222:11whole story of you say desire and Billy's and open despair are in the and
232:19desire you think now so the question is you see why do we long for what is that
242:28we want one right away long and ultimately what is the meaning of the
252:40word long pull too well that man that's very ambiguous because it made perhaps
262:47mean something genuine and I mean something for all schools quite has one
272:58does one long for anything actually
283:06or perhaps track or in general when bonds for something abstract and I don't
293:14know that one might feel that there was a real possibility i like long for that
303:21car
313:22yes but suppose we say you could want and I'm not saying for against but
323:26you've got a lot more to say to end this state of society you see which is yes
333:32yes I mean try to make it a little bit little differently is a long for the
343:39ending of this ugly state of suspect
353:45yeah i would like if I me a separate bizarre is not put easy four separate
364:02room design that's a question we have to go in to say that in general I would say
374:07that thought and desire think so . but you see you
384:13for example you frequently talk about desire arising and perception contact
394:20than a sensational desire now it seems to me that you may be right but usually
404:27were caught in a kind of desire for that which is imagined facilities these
414:35positive fold it was part of that but you've been using to be describing
424:39something else which is not part of thought you said do you start from
434:42perception i know i see that car that's perception not only perception i see the
444:55color and the shape of the car the only for the particular car and I don't want
455:01I will go get that is a perception and sensation sensation is good or bad
465:15yeah it's in chief association as the riddle desires a return flight
475:20that's what I'm trying to getting that sensation is also part of perception you
485:24can you can separate the tubing which is for sensational perception i looked at
495:35that I feel a perception is first because another if I didn't see that guy
505:40couldn't click on can't have a sense of something intelligent to be singers
515:45sense would have not meaning if we're not
525:49the word right was being sensed so I i played for men dispositive perception
536:02yes but also sound perception perception place these perceptions on touch the
546:07section that all the senses
556:10yes and then how does desired arise from perception
566:18that's it seems to me that somehow thought and imagination coming are
576:24producing two sides or director that his imagination coming to me well in the
586:31form of these are usually takes it does you see it i think most of our desires
596:35by now for things that are imagined you see other what you're saying have been
606:40the beginning for example and but I example i gave the different state of
616:47society different system is intense desire for the part of many people which
626:51drives them very hard and I think that's imagined as the state of society
636:58let's see no
647:03I want a group of us want to change the structure of society into something
657:11better something i call Mark's down marks and the design born holdup
667:18perception of this state of society which activities which is very are going
677:25to sense a chance here to the percept seen or observing more thinking for the
687:33society now Eve and King leg to imagine a better story devastate your part of
697:44deserve
707:44well it's things first time and just there are many things that there is an
717:50intense desire for that imagined state that people all all easy perception
727:56perception of ourselves
737:58mmm i put seemed the roughness of the corruption of the Malays of the society
748:08i see that the sexual growth not my desire the Kings aside my perception
758:19safe
768:20this is buggy yes and that very perception is the action of the movement
778:30ended
788:31yes but i don't i'm making yes well then there's a longing to change it all
798:39well represents desired and planning design and I'm just that scene with
808:45remember send help back to about me or something is missing and you're saying
818:49there's a longing for something that's missing on all I perceive yeah that
828:59really puts if we think is actually
839:02perception that the perception of the society as it is is the excuse that
849:11would feel more and that Reaper sip truth the moment sex
859:18yes but now we can't act immediately that's the internet but the perception
869:24thing begins to me formally what kind of action to take place at times by
879:33thinking about this
889:35yes of course the perception creates a demand either for or against yet right
899:42sensation that's East Pacific a part of these are Russians that in the beginning
909:49you see that the better soon as it reaches the sense of ugliness our Beauty
919:55you see it was impressively that of course but
9210:08so you can really see the state of society without a sense that is uglier
9310:12beauty from no no presciption eat so easy
9410:18x-rite their perception that then the other unis of society's perceived yes
9510:31and that's perceptive i won't even use the word you because then we have going
9610:39to country the separately the root of action now and that action time and all
9710:56the recipe
9810:58what is desired coming this I don't see it
9911:01well it does seem to comment doesn't it
10011:10as far as I'm concerned he doesn't want us and multi I said why do you say that
10111:18and what would you say to those people who want to change society when you said
10211:23I would seem easy to your perception exacting all your prejudice against all
10311:31you are designed to change in order to achieve something else
10411:37register desires that it is up yeah he's perception part of design
10511:43I don't think you know your frequently said that after this perception contact
10611:51and since then not become the entire yes but once that he said . right once is
10711:58perception
10811:59yes
10912:00when it's designed with in carrying on the perception
11012:06well I minute and principal if you could immediately carried out there would be
11112:12no need for a desire yeah of course that's one thing
11212:16yes but a concave do karaoke media for you think something is missing as I can
11312:22it should be this way but i would like to carry out i mean what i say and i
11412:26can't go to immediately desire is very emotive are systemic animal and we'll
11512:35text you maybe uncontaminated by huh i will get sep perception has dissolved
11612:44these are the multiple perception you perceive societies wrong you perceive
11712:59the actual replica actuality is perceived in the actuality of perception
11813:09when it is desired coming not in position that that's what happens that's
11913:16what we have to find out wire comes in is what happened to be I mean you see if
12013:20we had something very simple that i perceive some object like an apple and i
12113:26would like to eat it and I just either there's no problem with mayra now this
12213:30day now I'm smooth flow ya on the other hand if I can't get the Apple I said
12313:36then I made some of the desire a problem desire you see I'm not saying it's right
12413:41or wrong but suppose I perceive something with it I can get not
12513:46immediately released I don't know how together
12613:50yes and then desire may arise man doesn't have to hide itself may I
12713:56because i want that app because i like this until gasps this one thing
12814:05I perceive the actuality of suicide and I act when this design coming back or if
12914:17if you do act as I doesn't comment but save me but you may feel you don't know
13014:23how to act you sit in other words
13114:26ok you may not know hope where there fri i will concern talk difference because
13214:34only while you might become discouraged you see ya all right Mike pacifically
13314:38still clearly you cannot be kind well you may be that maybe sometime
13414:43describing what generally happens I yeah you see generally generally happens is
13514:49let's say I perceived falseness and redness of society and I think you know
13614:55I consider how to change it i talked with people and so on
13714:59after a while I begin to see that it doesn't change all that easily you quite
13815:05well and perhaps at some stage I may begin to feel well you know it doesn't
13915:08look possible at all but then they come along going to change it nevertheless
14015:13you know if you place see it is not possible key
14115:20yes then finish but then why is it that people don't accept get it right you see
14215:26example I'm just describing what is the general experience which is that I'm
14315:33seeing that this this thing is not possible
14415:37there is belonging for that which is not possible in order
14515:42yeah alone for that particular and that is the form desire which is always
14615:46frustrated and you know it creates all these problems
14715:49yes here now on the other hand you can't say I accept that society will go on
14815:58false forever is no question so
14916:06I don't quite you see the relationship between perception and design or perhaps
15016:13there is not just a understanding yes but why is it that there seems to be one
15116:19of these people apparently in general
15216:22easy easy specifically thats hanging them all they have never perceived and
15316:31only desire is operating well that may be no but the perception itself was a
15416:41born of desire is what they think is perception
15516:45yes but then the question is where the desire originated there too
15616:50that's a different thing I mean ever since mysterious why they should because
15716:54desire there no I see the call
15816:59yeah I think you all need to feed the cold weather but I mean that would not
15917:13only be possible to get into that at some stage perception failed i mean to
16017:18get pregnant
16117:19let's see if you're sad like the only car there's still no problem as long as
16217:28you have this intense longing which is desiring what drives around in
16317:35preserving I liked on the carpet is possible on if it's not I wanted yes no
16417:40problem let that not usually what is meant by desire no but usually means
16517:45long and winding for what you cannot get anywhere you can get an app for he had
16617:53come i don't function that I really happy with we have to understand this
16717:58session because it seems to be the general function that is young
16818:03maybe and and so first of all it's not clear why should be there i'm not going
16918:11to me anyway and design desire yeah i mean the rational there is no reason for
17018:21that you see but it as far as one can see but it's still very very powerful
17118:25you seen over the world is designed based on some position that's over
17218:32exploring you see I think it's not entirely with sensation and I might be
17318:36seen imagination it and and and then imagine if you present i'm going to be
17418:50one is going to get yes I think it's based on the imagination of but not
17518:59really a pleasure but of beauty
17619:03you know and even of but what is good to see in other words that all that is
17719:09missing person missing is imagined and this gives a tremendous energy you see
17819:15that say people generally desire things which are regarded as Beauty rule yes
17919:23and in fact so you take things like older precious stones which have very
18019:27little value in themselves but people have anything touched or because of the
18119:31eternal beauty of it before they're ready to do anything really feel is a
18219:35power flowers the same thing same thing
18319:38yeah because does it and i think it
18419:43yes how does arise and what is the meaning of you see that's yeah okay i
18519:50see you driving you the politician daily position UD you know and I want that I
18620:05like to have
18720:06yes but it's not clear why i drive myself to injure to such lengths would
18820:11you do me communication
18920:14yes but then why do I want to pleasure you see that one huh
19020:21ACH I'm in almost every to being confusing this pleasure with something
19120:27else which would be a tremendous value all and I all pleasure is the only thing
19220:41i know but what kind of the only thing of what time because i know a lot of
19320:45things you say and I know all sorts of objects no I live pretty superficial
19420:49like yeah my education superficial and pleasant superstition and so I known for
19520:58me but I mean I saying that it's not superficial wouldn't be worth living for
19621:02if it was not I said mustard-based apparent to be not superficial or it
19721:08would not be worth longing for you say i don't think anybody long for something
19821:11that he recognizes to be superficial no explanation and that's where poor baby
19921:17if I've ever device level superficial is not fun but somehow there's a feeling
20021:23the pleasure is something else something very significant are very deep breath
20121:28you pleasure deep well it may look that way I'll put me look but easy to exploit
20221:35it isn't but you see why does it look that way
20321:38this is in order why am i deceived by by thinking pleasure is very deep
20421:47yes
20522:06who do you think is more of a lasting element in later tomorrow them doesn't
20622:17understand yeah community in the sensation of we will use pleasure one of
20722:31the factors on covering my employees
20822:38yeah well it may be easier than that but i think the pleasure helps create the
20922:45impression of some sort of full harmonious beautiful life you're seeing
21022:49that covers this East pleasure associated with beautiful i think it is
21123:00that in general the way they're very fact of the word love is connected with
21223:06desire
21323:08also with Beauty would suggest that pleasure and easier somehow associated
21423:13that people expect a beautiful thing will give pleasurable experiences
21523:18defense and the ease I see something beautiful
21623:34where is personally I like 20 need I like the Pacific I'd like to have it
21723:46forever you said I'd like to experience to be repeated something
21823:49yeah i like to have you put it not necessarily on it but just so ya ready
21923:53bday yeah I do i do these because of a kind of theory that you'll be without
22024:08you see that easy
22124:14I in my sous I'm not beautiful gonna be part of the sensor not having contact
22224:22with beauty and myself and therefore wanting something is beauty
22324:28oh there and everywhere I want to
22424:33well that's rather is it's both you say even an addiction is that beauty is not
22524:39really part of the quality of the thing but the quality of the person perceived
22624:43as one of its one of the same in other words it's both the quality of the thing
22724:49and the quality of the sensation
22824:51yes and then some sense no division of the observer and the observed mean
22924:57that's marvelous and recognized in the dictionary next
23025:02that's our bad ideas recognized in the dictionary that runs both to the
23125:05observer and the observed it now but the way I look at is there suppose i say i
23225:12have no beauty in contact with building but by sitting a thing I create the
23325:17beauty and me live if yes and singing and then we say the thing is gone so i'm
23425:24back in the previous state
23525:26yes then I began to long for that experience again
23625:32so what do you do programs that well i think that the question really is to and
23725:42understand this process of desire because without understanding it with I
23825:51don't think we'll order this confusion around flat will and i'm in other words
23925:56it can be seen on one side as desire and on the other side as what we've been
24026:01discussing truth and reality and so on
24126:04yeah man desires on the side of the feeling you know in other words
24226:09something once this confusion arises in desire then it drives the whole mind
24326:14into falseness do you think design in the field of reality
24426:21yes but it seems it's in the field of reality but it's that thing which
24526:25presents itself somewhere is not a field you see gonna i edited and present
24626:34herself as apparently away too
24726:36can I deserve true thats that something is it would seem i could desire truth at
24826:42the very least like the desired beauty or good you see it's generally accepted
24926:46but you could have a desire for the good or the beautiful or the truth I mean
25026:51that our usage of line winds example think and fact most people would agree
25126:56that that's quite reasonable life now I understand you're questioning that is n
25227:03pushing there is beauty in the realm of reality as far as the good and around
25327:16reality he's moving the reality because i think i should say that good and
25427:21beauty or most people regard the most questions and they're very root of the
25527:26word Bend Ind
25627:27beauty and good and Latin related roads good yes and thank the actress awesome
25727:34and lesser not lessen it also has the same road trip to the simply disgusting
25827:45here then is in reality always include don't quite see distinct sometimes you
25927:56will because in reality not only the selectivity doomy doomy say that include
26028:06is letting your punishment is not possible
26128:12no we said beauty love and goodness is there in the field of reality created by
26228:32old and something i would I long to get back as soon as word of the fuckin I
26328:43could reasonably long to have a sexy because I could save it somewhere in the
26428:47field of reality but i don't know exactly separated right now
26528:52next let's see all right let's see and and these deck good beauty and love in
26629:05the field created know that's something we should discuss know it's along with
26729:09creation
26829:10yes so on truth now who these are easy to feel appreciated
26929:18yes what desire is a movement of the field of reality is and it projects
27029:21within that field something which should be a side of it is yes it is yes but it
27129:29becomes an impossible movement because since that witch project was not in the
27229:35field of reality desire can never
27329:36satisfied that it is predicted he's publicly and it's part of reality but I
27429:43don't get one doesn't recognize that's right but at the same time I will never
27529:48there's always the feeling that that's not all you see is I think there's
27629:53always a contradiction and desire
27729:55oh that's because you project this in the field of reality and even if you
27829:59were to achieve it you would feel this is not all that's I want tonight but he
27930:04still needs not all the end that's no one is still there
28030:08I know that's the contradiction feel reality gets broken into is the part
28130:14that you're having a part but one is having time but he's still in the field
28230:18of reality
28330:19yeah so he's good in the field of reality
28430:25no I think it's clear it's not this obviously not then what longing for
28530:35beauty es cities in the field of reality is a movement of for predicting beauty
28630:48and longing plate
28730:50yes yes artist is remembering the beauty that was expressive and allowing the
28830:56cumulative sorry little some new wire form
28930:59yeah so could we see what is duty which is not independent free anymore and yes
29031:16goodness which is not in the military attic to go there cause there's some
29131:29goodness into the flesh not the goodness which is not induced by four
29231:37I could induce myself to be good i can calculate practice good but that's not
29331:47the goodness of truth the good goodness my act in the field of reality and yes
29431:55yes yes now but I'm as a little about beauty which seems very hard and the
29532:00mysterious in some ways if we say there is an object but the tree and the field
29632:05of reality which is beautiful now but it is not doing anything
29732:10so in other words beauty is not in the field of reality it's the essence is
29832:15that the plan right
29932:17great now not i would say beauty is not in the Philippines yes but now the two
30032:21years in the field of reality so no please
30132:25Edie's the tribe and we have to get it clearly not nearly as it would have this
30232:29requires clarification because they are not use that language would say the tree
30332:33is real you see ya ya know
30432:36click click click click so now and then some
30532:41for example if you're a lumberman you were treated as a reality
30632:45I think Bobby's is beautiful
30732:49yes all right but then we're still able to politiken difficulty of language if
30832:56we say that the tree is not real but it is juicy
30933:00yes the tree is that which is but it is not real
31033:04and yet fully decrement that's such a violation of your cook or he know he
31133:16said simple yet keep the cream as we generally eclipse periodically
31233:32but the cooties we say is true and I looking at the three bring it into a
31333:50field of reality thinking about picked also acting on it as a real
31433:55hey guys it has a carpet but it is true reality depends on time and money and
31534:05have your complete truth there is no no you drop your problem is sick we
31634:14discussed it and let me let's be clear we say goodness is locked in the field
31734:27flip he's not in the field of reality is that my active and has not in essence
31834:36that is not die in essence it is not definitively and good works good
31934:48behavior changed crude hold for all their the end in the field oriented but
32035:08goodness the extra suffolk is looking
32135:18so is the they won't paper created my fault is beautiful
32235:35subscribe to the coloring this birth the shape of the limbs to hold pattern of
32335:42movement in the wall is doing is created by four different Lord of reality and
32435:55there's my review
32535:56ok many ideas on the rest of so where does desire or haven't finished the
32636:12session with Beauty there because it lets say you say the tree is that which
32736:17is this beauty right
32836:19thankies boot right as beautiful that's something we discard the wallpaper says
32936:25created by fathers also don't think eats it is that they're different
33036:31yes maybe we should get a clear be has this by different I seat
33136:35yeah but how do we get a clear because you see even that was just created by
33236:40thought maybe back which is that is what you're saying
33336:43alright noble simple flip those languages vary greatly reserve is like
33436:51and the debt cookies created by for letting power or like the wall like to
33536:58walk which may be beautiful
33637:01he's my career yes
33737:13what do you think that tastes good ideas and songs from along and this will come
33837:24to calculate in this case anybody is there as trees there
33937:32yeah is there a difference ok that's only when this Boston's between water is
34037:44on the wall created by told that is equally that's not it that's beautiful
34137:52that good idea
34237:53good food good closed book under the goodness and that we say because it's
34338:02created by for it in the field of reality but it is it is there it is
34438:16there that works difference between that those birds moment of the birds and the
34538:24movement of the tree is it and what I know that personally just go through
34638:32what is really no no no other way we sing that one paper with all the colors
34738:43change movement of it is created by home and that was in the world of reality and
34838:52yes it is beautiful and yet he teased it is hard hasn't created the tree
34939:02but it is what's the difference between that and that between that wallpaper and
35039:10the 390 talk and no no I what is the difference what I see that is an outside
35139:32say that he's boat out there for both of over the field of reality because what
35239:44you see are both other and depending on you see because another way of looking
35339:53at you can save that the wallpaper is part of reality what paper is pottery
35439:59and sort of the tree and then we see that wallpaper bees
35540:03yes well if are you saying and that is as eat destructible as the tree that is
35640:10one having a that can be destroyed the same as the tree but we see that is that
35740:18he's in the field of reality
35840:19yes and yes it is beautiful in that feet and also we see Edie's it is now when
35940:29you are tired of discussing their it's actuality here on your site is that same
36040:37old
36140:37yes it is actually I what you mean by the word it is yes both night to both
36240:42attract all yes and therefore their have their own activity act against bolton
36340:48actually yes and we see beauty is not in the field of reality
36440:55yes but is it in the field of actuality in the exact that is actually this is
36541:03actually beauty is actual is that
36641:08beauties actual yes and we see beauty is not in essence in the field of reactive
36741:16gas but it made his actual and then through that might act in the field
36841:22yeah you don't know what is the difference between electro allottees one
36941:30actuality in the field of reality one actuality which is not in the previous
37041:36reality is there electricity and discuss it in the field of truth where we sit
37141:45relax through the ex yes but I are raising the question whether there's
37241:56actuality in the essence is that your question yes anh NHO anh we both get
37342:05both of that planet yes they're different orders of actuality in some
37442:09way now in the tree last movement in different oil different kind of
37542:14actuality yes different kind of passes the wallpaper was created by the thought
37642:20of man time
37742:21yes although it has a certain actuality which wasn't so the material of which it
37842:25was made was not created by the thought of mac time right
37942:31is it was made of some material which exists in various transformations will
38042:39whatever it was nosy may have been made from paper which was made from wood
38142:43which will prove but the form put on it may as asthma kinda started man even yes
38242:53if men yet managed better
38342:55yes but in essence that and the three of this in essence
38443:02yeah therefore one do we see I think will be but do we see then truth is not
38543:15in the field of reality
38643:16well I think that went back to a way to use the word that the real needs to be a
38743:22thing which is you know what we think about into this limited and conditions
38843:27and so on . you see what would we say that citizens united states a truth is
38943:32unconditional there's no thing yet smoothie and beauty is no thing this
39043:38rank witnesses nothing significant now but they are actual that's what you're
39143:45implying
39243:46this is a little sleuthing this if its new thing huh
39343:52is the internet community
39443:55well that's the question say for example in the conference with the scientists
39543:59yeah you mentioned something which was some sort of energy gift which i can
39644:05remember self-sustaining and ordered orderly right Yes No contribute and
39744:09contradictory known liberating is unaware was substance the
39844:15self-sustaining energy which is a cosmic sort
39944:18yeah and now which we could say and some as the the energy of that which is
40044:30amazed that it was that what you meant to say it is the energy you know there's
40144:34the same as that which is it will ya easier because you see you did mention
40244:40that before and that that i did back to the original many contacts even in
40344:44physics and so i won't go into it now but rather similar idea of the resonant
40444:48physics that there's an energy and empty space
40544:51yeah exactly completely utterly ID he golden orderly and perfect all right leg
40644:58and
40745:04so three anything is a thing for its totality of all things are the entities
40845:20it think yes truth easy not think we are therefore laughing yes the King create
40945:33energy in closer kind of it other one kind of any limit of energy limited in
41045:39the be the naughty thing which is empty that easy unlimited unlimited energy and
41145:53you said that is that unlimited energy as the is what you apply a
41245:59self-sustaining it doesn't depend on some dental depends it depends the other
41346:04that ultimately even this may depend on that this is that a possibility that the
41446:08thing the thing ultimately depends on land on that juicy Apple will be and
41546:16we'll go back then coordinate trap which is God in us but you see if your energy
41646:24you prima g easing may your man depends on it
41746:32depends are you say because one doesn't depend 1b conceiving becomes one now
41846:43there's no imminent let's try to put it differently
41946:49the is it was related to the question as to whether this energy of the energy of
42046:57thought is one thing as one thing or is it just thought it's all one energy
42147:02which was being used wrong is happening is talking about i was never quite
42247:07settled and we know look now but I think it's similar to say is there one energy
42347:11which makes the emptiness and the things
42447:15yes yes or other two energies one energy of there's only one energy we are saying
42547:26discussing there's only one energy which is Miss which is used in reality and
42647:32therefore destructible and provided and deteriorating degenerating other stuff
42747:38with Andy and that same energy is nothingness
42847:44yeah
42947:57nothing this being there is that right i think because I'm just imitating the
43048:13people i think back Energy Board of nothing this is different from the other
43148:23because then our unity and get and just explores number no notion i think
43248:33there's one breaker one way connection that is from nothingness to thing but
43348:42think you're letting this is not possible
43448:44so now we describe the water is enough hasn't eat the energy of nothingness
43548:56different from the energy of
43649:15for the moment I guess it for the moment I i see that is different the fruiting
43749:26the scenes this similar or dissimilar as one meaning of different and yeah this
43849:36is similar but it still allows for a relationship allows for a one-way right
43949:40the one where relationship all all are the both the same one in the field of
44049:50reality and therefore misuse detailing all the rest of it in the other it isn't
44149:58it is in these modern well let's try to put it as one energy which is endless
44250:04which includes the finite that as the other words yes rather than saying
44350:09they're gonna see the other viewers instead of saying there too we say there
44450:12is one temperatures infinite but the infinite includes the finite does not
44550:17exclude has 10
44650:19yes that's one view unsend that's no I want that's one view I don't want to get
44750:25into view
44850:26yeah i mean that's one proposal the proposal right proposal the other
44950:31proposed least there's no relationship from the team to nowadays but now that's
45050:37the same and both proposals you see if you say it's infinite which contains the
45150:41phone i have ever the infinite as related to the finite but it doesn't
45250:46mean the finite can do anything in the entire great
45351:01i seed for the has it been different
45451:14nothingness is there we said which means total ending writer for in the world of
45551:41reality has never ending called creates its own energy and other for the same
45652:03from the same source one human beings generate that energy and the same and
45752:19the the force of water is polluted in the world of reality and it is the same
45852:31water in the world of reality in the world of truth same water and I mean the
45952:37energy is that it if today you misuse it and somebody else doesn't misuse it is
46052:54an exiting
46152:58all is that souls of energy which is of nothingness is that msu totally
46253:12different be similar
46353:17I got a question all right
46453:30but let me put this put this racer can-can from the field of reality can
46553:43condemn be a movement to true from not why well because I gather I feel the
46653:54reality is a condition that's made of things so you can as it cannot as it has
46754:02no relationship oriented to truth then through can operate in the world of
46854:12reality in digital connection there is a one-way connection when Lincoln
46954:22excellence therefore there is no it is not it
47054:32interacting the least you know it's not a mutual mutual relationship that's one
47154:39way and perhaps of the century facts and reality through death through seeing the
47254:44ending the ending the false for example
47354:49yes the ending this will go back to think thing right
47455:01short can be ended a beautiful can see that eat that ending of for the same has
47555:15the natick not nothing
47655:18I don't feel well
47755:22Nosa know this is everything that it i think this is like they're two separate
47855:32and what the energy of nothing is totally different from BIA but then you
47955:48haven't explained why that can be the relationship and which then nothing
48055:52uprights and the field of fodder reality it can operate because you said yes but
48156:01then then I've heard includes know what i mean by saying everything is and
48256:07everything since in nothingness one little kit we see nothing this means
48356:23ending ending of ending that is not a thing in the world of reality ending
48456:37means a continuation from fall
48556:46yeah
48656:54now
48756:57this has no continuing through that has a continuing yes are about that as well
48857:05mm we just this has a movement in time
48957:12this is no movement time all day the same movement is time I serve a small
49057:26movement within the DNA into is click or click because you could use the analogy
49157:34and the scientists conference of some small area and silent big spaces not
49257:39want to look at time that way you send no I steam feeling my blood yes this is
49357:50totally different totally different is that
49457:58let's put it on this mission in the field of reality love has a different
49558:03meaning anyone jealousy you know well that's why it's trapped in that but I'm
49658:12saying that love can act until reality left connect in the people of the united
49758:17airways yes i love connecting the field of reality but they love in reality it's
49858:24not last desire desire nor the rest up and we're getting slowly back here and
49958:30beauty and reality is therefore it's trapped in there slap beauty beauty so
50058:37they love the love in nothing man of sick can app connect in the world of
50158:46reality but this can never be commuted in the previous reality therefore it is
50258:55something highly original I mean I tomorrow
50359:00Group B in the other way around
50459:13we said this is ending and that quickly which has a continual t can never be
50559:24creating yes that which has a movement in the indie timely in the time since
50659:37has no ending and we said dave is inward dave is the ending of inverse if
50759:54everything everything
50860:01the two that there is no relationship between the truth i would like to think
50960:12that i can use the world of crew in reality not only been saying so far
51060:22about that truth accent reality the absolute reality now is that so
51160:28truth and reality
51260:37can nothing can not a thing you have no movement as it might not think how can
51360:53not a thing in reality reality easy thing subject hoping nothing act in ways
51461:08the side of reality as it is actually nothing you say that there's another
51561:13view to say reality the thing appears to be I cook but as I said that we're gonna
51661:20open some other quite so would you put it discreet in mind that has no mejor
51761:31I'm Justin quality that is not living in the world of measure Kandek mind operate
51861:45in the world of measure
51961:47yes well what does operate thanks here only measure measure operates in the
52061:52world and measure but this mind operates to see the falseness positive that
52161:59measure these is suppose I said make the measurement and he's wrong a nice and
52262:04all the milk melted but before i altered I have to see it that's false right
52362:08yes isn't that the operation of track and your cousin I measured the table
52462:14that i come i heard from the table and I see that doesn't fit in the room you
52562:19lose it
52662:20yes alright but now how do i see if the mind is operating clearly will see that
52762:25otherwise you know it may become your feelings and that's a yes that's clear
52862:29yes if i measure properly keep make that and strictly dominated you said he's
52962:36still in the world of man that's what measurement operates in the world of
53062:43measurements that thought itself as part of
53162:45germantown yeah yeah but it's important that thought should be clear and on free
53262:50of confusion three of falseness there a present for desire and through other
53362:55factors thought becomes false
53462:59yes get you all right now will what is the difference between the mind which
53563:06God is false and the one in which thought is not false to see Cronkite i
53663:14concur default seen be seen in the world of reality Norris that's the truth about
53763:22that same huh
53863:23the truth of the world of reality is so the cost of the truth of the of the
53963:28world of reality as its fastest yes yes yes inadvertently other top
54063:33yeah so so moment we see this week the world of the entity is measurement let's
54163:44stick to that for the moment and that measurement maybe four
54263:49yes I may not all through there or would rather not say driven right correct
54363:54letter that that measurement maybe folds alright yeah in the field of reality
54464:00ya know in nothingness this relation is no measurement now but it is noticable
54564:10now what's the relationship between different defense mission
54664:19yes because no mission yes but what is it that sees whether the measurement is
54764:25sitting here for an hour whether you see if the measurement is false
54864:29there's contradiction yes and now whatever that says the contradiction is
54964:34doing but it doesn't always work your seat in other words the mind is that
55064:38they the world of measure cannot have any criteria and it's no guarantee the
55164:44correctness is a clamping beyond is needed
55264:48but if my measurement is incorrect these disturbance and I'm i suppress awareness
55364:59about to start and years old but he's still in that area that's in that area
55465:03but what is it that says that it is disturbance in that area because then
55565:07perceive understood yes but many people don't perceive because that that
55665:13insensitive they are not aware they're not conscious
55765:16yes but then looking skills there yeah but then why not just say what you mean
55865:21. why they're not conscious of vehicles made you please neither i can give you
55965:26ten different River finally here and there my new reality becomes part of
56065:33consciousness and attachment to a person who made you strong lean and the mind
56165:39which is in emptiness has no attachment to the measurement which is that no
56265:43there is no measurement in nothing's let's do that for the moment there is no
56365:50measurement do nothing there is measurement in reality wrong Falls
56465:59measurement and correct are correct men and he blocked the bone says who
56566:08perceives the false and the and the at the falls and collect who is the entry
56666:15thinking that sees in the world of reality the false and the correct
56766:26he still the same mind which has measured yes but then there's no no
56866:35meaning to it because you know this is maybe also the next step
56966:40suppose of course but still it seems there's some meaning to think being
57066:46correct because you know if you manage it is really treated suitable it's happy
57166:51eighties and conveniently these yes but it is still there yeah have must stick
57266:58to it is still there and connect me I want that still in that field but and
57367:04that filter is no way to guarantee you'll connect correctness Abby and now
57467:15and say we noticed in some people there may be more ability or less ability look
57567:21too good
57667:22agree right now it seems to me that there must be some perception beyond
57767:29that field one motion to be some other perception except that you can only see
57867:46the sum of the perception when there is nothing
57967:48yes eat that nothing this a hypothesis clearly a world of structure or that all
58067:55truth it was able to talk to you still there actually is a natural event if
58168:04it's a verbal structure that I want to change everybody's still adhere
58268:08hypothesis a thing called out it's still there yeah here we said there is no
58368:14entrance for all right there was nothing
58468:26there and we're seeing is the relationship between the two
58568:32that's the central point we are planning to find up time I don't complain just
58668:38wait and this you can say there is no relationship and what if there's no
58768:48relationship between this and I make endeavor a struggle to reach that if I
58869:00imagine I have a relationship and interior couple system or happy with his
58969:13desire and I'm calling that these are hope imagining our relationship back I
59069:29book
59169:39cause why do i do because i want something that's something that can
59269:54never be heard something that that is not ending beginning suffering all that
59370:02so I project as an idea or in imagination or a hole boys and desire
59470:10that there is this when I project from this to this this becomes whatever the
59570:22projection is is unreal is imagine that it's not physical facts now if if
59670:31there's actually nothing that's not okay then what is the connection between the
59770:36two
59870:44in dying to the reality is sunset only then they there is nothing in dying to
59971:04reality which means dying to all the things I thought was created
60071:16she's dying to all the things of measurable movement of time
60171:29I know nothing about this later i know nothing about nothing this I can't even
60271:39imagine it
60371:40I don't know what it is that I'm not concerned with it but I'm only concerned
60471:46day I live in this and I here here i'm always caught between the falls and the
60571:55correct between the Fourth Amendment and correct and I'm adjusting myself always
60672:03between the truth all pursuing the one and rejecting the other but it's in here
60772:11and do i see this totally the desire has no end
60872:25hope has knowing struggle has no ending right here so I don't know anything
60972:40about it that's all your your invention you are you may have no important in
61072:45this I'm not shut my eyes I don't know this and my desire not to internet to
61172:59the field narrows as a desire and still the same as yeah my I think my design my
61273:08whole my longing my and all from this so I'm still exercising for if I'm caught
61373:21in the trap so used to me anything
61473:26not because you want with this
61573:31I can end it but with the piece that ending different from this is what
61673:45different i can end by persuasion that practice our that's the center of course
61773:54i can i can feel like an ending
61873:57yes I was still assume that will still be there is there an ending here without
61974:04a motive and you brought in nothingness impressive empire by saying our
62074:16motherland and if i see the think so completely that is mending then that is
62174:29this then is nothing but I think overall question my policy is the relationship
62274:41between the driver and even asked and the best like I will push side piece of
62374:56Apple task because I don't know these all the precepts all made it to accept
62475:04the piece I don't know this
62575:14as I only noticed my energy is limited to these corrupted this is diverted
62675:27distorted your pathological actually think that and then they're season up
62775:40there is a nothingness just face it he doesn't relate this leg it there is
62875:54nothing to do KQ he doesn't say oh it can't in nothingness everything is his
62976:13thing she sees the danger of that is what I wanted
63076:16there's only nothing and the man because it was the use of day it's not
63176:27marketable it doesn't relieve my pain my agony keep it to yourself
63276:39they have common reality i have you want to introduce but the man who has to say
63376:52there is nothingness
63476:53there's nothing
63576:59but are living the field of reality cuu9 ok you are you are seeing it as a
63677:08reactive has something to me I want to bring that into here and basically
63777:18you're saying that if we we've got to approach the thing with the right
63877:22question that doesn't presuppose something wrong and that you can do
63977:30whatever may be right about nothing less you can't say a die from the starting
64077:39point where your reality and therefore this is this the energy of nothing this
64177:49is something quite different . and use and he says don't bother about you can
64277:56do this and get out of your own body and ending with that and then no don't
64378:06answer questions only concern ourselves here ending if ending you ending design
64478:13i've seen seed don't will cause more side into limited but you did bring it
64578:29in during the discussions and I've got in because I wanted them to know
64678:35something existing where this plaster little stop you may reject it and you'll
64778:44come along and said look to me there is a state of nothing
64878:52you see that and remove the troop
64978:59and you means dying for all that not think in his mind i hear that cause your
65079:14city have had a feeling mr. it is true because he Liberty if he's seeing it
65179:25room not his very presence is let me see he's really world has back and I want to
65279:34pull him introduce this is called air conduit getting distracted
65379:46likewise nobody would get caught in the entrant trap God is here to pieces in
65480:06reality all the rest
65580:09does this answer that beauty duty pregnant through the purity of his East
65680:25in nothing but the truth but the good the beautiful their love wasn't ever
65780:36going to the variable and they good
65880:40and the correct correct or wall in here which is different from the other as
65980:49well I think that I mean simply that one has a general expectation that a state
66081:00of nothingness would not produce a man who acted you know you hate it don't you
66181:06see
66281:06yes I know but I'm saying that just saying this
66381:10that's wrong with that surround question but we have to look at my personal
66481:14question
66581:14yes we have to look at the question and in the sense that it's a one which is
66681:18present a nice in our background and our tradition over the whole world and it's
66781:25part of the tradition of the day man who collects from the nothingness or from
66881:30God whatever people call it would not do evil things i think i wouldn't be looked
66981:38at
67081:38there is a role in the Jewish anything do not in crystal the nameless yes
67181:49d and measure the name and I live here and name all the time and and easy and
67282:03he doesn't he doesn't even recognize that makes I think so my only concern is
67382:16here do i see the totality of this and if i see dr. time up
67482:26that's what
67582:30that holds true back to the victory
67682:38therefore this nomination
67782:56so and then who experiences death and i won't use the word experience and then
67883:08who dies not under easy operation accident or disease only nice because
67983:20he's alive dies there is a total in bed but he he he he has any the ending and
68083:37reality is quite difficult for this model under I still can't I that all the
68183:50site is not why I did all this happen love the love the love that exists in
68284:05reality is one day that same what cannot be applied here can call it compassion
68384:18and call it something else but it's not the same work not the same content of
68484:24network
68584:29well man you're discussing love as movement and relationship that that
68684:39would seem at first sight to be in reality since relationship is there in
68784:42our view only skill there
68884:45thats stolen moment and relationship about how let's get you say that however
68984:49we cannot use the same word you're saying it's not clear exactly know but i
69084:54was using the bull up for the delicious so is nothingness is something
69185:01intelligent therefore my relationship here is a movement in time including in
69285:09breaking down one ingredient introducing animation software also that's my
69385:14relationship when I see the totality of that relationship really perceive it in
69485:22the scent receiver the perceived of wine and there is no receiver but only
69585:27perception that's the ending of that the whole then you are working relationship
69685:38that
69785:41yeah I said cut through that first at the house
69885:44that's right dr. Bowman has claimed to hear the evidence and I have you can
69985:57describe to me the beauty of their flying but i'm still in the valley
70086:05and I long to have that vision of what he has seen my desire is to that my
70186:17desire is for the description not for the walk there
70286:27I have no desire that go up and a client in the time in this design but in the
70386:37descriptor to achieve the description of them of what he has seen this design
70486:44writer I think that's why I think that's called that's life
70586:53we are quoting description not in actual climbing
70687:05advanced 530 night son
70787:13whatever happens it'll shake hands in the air so we want to just guess that's
70887:27next week