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1[15:55.00] <NiceLurk> and now in 2015 you were told to post "7 / 7 = ?" in #solvers and you got banned?
2[15:55.32] <|343373|> 7 / 7 = ? and few other things
3[15:55.36] <|343373|> yes
4[15:55.46] <|343373|> not told
5[15:56.35] <|343373|> but its in the rules on the page/address i have from LP
6[15:58.45] <NiceLurk> so you solved 17-74 also? and that sontains the same onion address you have from 2012 and 2013?
7[15:5*.11] <|343373|> no
8[15:5*.23] <|343373|> after LP its different link
9[15:5*.55] <|343373|> the onion address i had gave me the 0-74
10[16:02.20] <NiceLurk> and you got onion that contained 0-74 from onion you have from 2012 and 2013?
11[16:02.46] <NiceLurk> and that contact you have is just one way communication, so you cant say anything, all you can do is read the message?
12[16:03.15] <|343373|> yes, the onion page was blank page until some month in 2014 (i didint check all the time)
13[16:04.53] <|343373|> correct, not a message but a page full of rules of what im not allowed to do. and stupid sentense saying that if i keep giving the hints im allowed they will find and conact me
14[16:05.17] <|343373|> contact*
15[16:08.01] <NiceLurk> strange, i never heard story like yours
16[16:08.5*] <NiceLurk> so onion you got in 2012 and 2013 was emty until 2014? and then in 2014 they uploaded LP and now those rules?
17[16:0*.10] <NiceLurk> empty*
18[16:0*.14] <|343373|> when they finished making the LP
19[16:0*.46] <|343373|> those rules are on other onion page
20[16:10.08] <|343373|> I had to do the 0-74 myself to get to that rules page
21[16:11.31] <|343373|> before the rules said I was allowed to talk only about 7 / 7 = ?, and only in person, this year the rules changed a bit
22[16:13.28] <NiceLurk> so you solved 0-74 alone, and got to the onion link with this new rules, that changed a bit recently
23[16:13.4*] <NiceLurk> what is now on old onion you have? still 0-74?
24[16:14.11] <|343373|> let me check, brb
25[16:15.08] <|343373|> no its still down since 2015
26[16:15.47] <NiceLurk> so you have no contact other than new onion with rules that you got from LP?
27[16:16.25] <|343373|> Yeah, sux and 3301 are being bullshit, arent they? :/
28[16:16.53] <|343373|> logically i shouldve been contacted by now but I still havent... or I think I havent... idk.. Last time I seen Rain/Wind they told me to wait and keep seeking them..
29[16:16.56] <|343373|> :/
30[16:17.22] <|343373|> was over a year ago
31[16:17.50] <NiceLurk> and you decoded LP by yourself?
32[16:21.23] <|343373|> Honestly your(not personal) approach is wrong... they gave all you need to solve it, it just requires the right approach to numbers and understanding of how numbers work
33[16:22.17] <|343373|> 7 / 7 = ? is a huge hint to that too if not the key
34[16:23.01] <NiceLurk> you are too vague to spark any new idea in my head
35[16:23.16] <NiceLurk> 7/7 is 1 what is that supposed to do
36[16:23.2*] <|343373|> its not just 1
37[16:23.44] <|343373|> its not 1 when only 1 prime is present
38[16:23.5*] <|343373|> i mean
39[16:24.16] <|343373|> its not 1 when a prime is present*
40[16:25.32] <NiceLurk> present? its equation there are two 7s present and you have uniform solution as 1 or 0.***repeating if you want that
41[16:25.45] <|343373|> you were taught to believe 7/7=1 but thats only true when it is "counting" complete whole "1"s
42[16:26.55] <|343373|> its 1, 0.(*) and something else...
43[16:28.17] <|343373|> when you multiply by 7 you divide by the nature of another number. (theres a pattern there)
44[16:28.30] <|343373|> the magic squares follow the same kinds of patterns
45[16:28.32] <NiceLurk> as long as both sevens are in same base and they are the same result should be only 1 or maybe -sqr(i) if you go to complex numbers
46[16:2*.44] <|343373|> kk, ill try to push as much as I can on the borderline of teh rules.. keep this to yourself though.. kk?
47[16:2*.50] <|343373|> the*
48[16:30.48] <NiceLurk> right
49[16:31.2*] <|343373|> I need your word that you wont say/explain the following to anyone unless you get to the full understanding of how it works or to the rules page
50[16:32.15] <NiceLurk> you have my word
51[16:32.44] <|343373|> How can you find a nature of a number? (the most simple way to express a number, and its behavior in a base10 numeral system)
52[16:34.12] <NiceLurk> you count its units?
53[16:34.25] <|343373|> without counting
54[16:34.30] <|343373|> the nature of the number
55[16:34.31] <NiceLurk> or yopu find its dividers?
56[16:34.44] <NiceLurk> you*
57[16:35.02] <|343373|> what is base10 numeral system?
58[16:35.53] <NiceLurk> a*10^0 + b*10^1 + c*10^2
59[16:36.04] <NiceLurk> for cba
60[16:36.11] <|343373|> nono, in the most simple way
61[16:36.15] <|343373|> MOST simple
62[16:36.33] <|343373|> dont complicate anything, simplify it
63[16:36.35] <NiceLurk> ten different charaters to represent numbers
64[16:36.54] <|343373|> 0, 1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5 ,6 ,7 , 8, *
65[16:37.01] <NiceLurk> from 0 to * yes
66[16:37.35] <|343373|> mhm, now how do you simplify any number to that most simple form?
67[16:38.00] <|343373|> the "nature" of the number (that word is important here)
68[16:38.43] <|343373|> dont think about anything complicated, think about the most simple thing you can do
69[16:38.58] <NiceLurk> you keep adding one unit to previous value  to get next value
70[16:3*.08] <NiceLurk> isnt nature of any number its value?
71[16:3*.15] <|343373|> for example 11 whats the most simple form of the number
72[16:3*.45] <NiceLurk> 10+1 ?
73[16:40.00] <|343373|> MOST simple
74[16:40.06] <NiceLurk> or do you want to change base system? that isnt most simple way
75[16:40.3*] <|343373|> most simple will be going back to 1 digit
76[16:40.51] <NiceLurk> 11111111111
77[16:40.53] <|343373|> whats the most simple way to express "11"
78[16:40.54] <|343373|> ?
79[16:41.31] <NiceLurk> but that string of 1s is counting, you said earlied that it should be done without counting
80[16:42.10] <NiceLurk> how to present 11 with one character? you have to go to base 11 and assign special charater to that value, like "a"
81[16:43.36] <|343373|> to express a number in the most simple way(digit) in base10 system is mod*
82[16:44.02] <|343373|> you take away all the full/complete(*) digits away
83[16:44.26] <|343373|> or combine all the digits of the number together into 1
84[16:44.36] <|343373|> 11 > 1+1 > 2
85[16:45.04] <NiceLurk> oh adding integers? that isnt most simple and it is not unique
86[16:45.16] <|343373|> not adding
87[16:45.26] <|343373|> there are few ways to simplyfy into 1 digit
88[16:45.36] <|343373|> simplify*
89[16:45.45] <|343373|> now, do the following, 2
90[16:46.00] <|343373|> typo sec i pressed enter by mistake
91[16:47.01] <|343373|> now, do the following, 2 * 1-*, write them in a line, simplify all the results to their nature
92[16:47.23] <|343373|> 2 4 6....
93[16:47.57] <NiceLurk> 11 mod* is 2 yes, but so is 20 mod*
94[16:48.0*] <|343373|> correct
95[16:48.42] <|343373|> nature of 2, 11, 20, ... is the same
96[16:48.51] <|343373|> (in the base10 system)
97[16:48.52] <NiceLurk> 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 simplified -> 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 * 11
98[16:4*.27] <NiceLurk> 11 can be again simplified in 2
99[16:4*.30] <|343373|> why *10?
100[16:4*.37] <|343373|> 10 is not part of base10
101[16:4*.44] <NiceLurk> ok my mistake
102[16:4*.51] <NiceLurk> 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18  simplified -> 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 * 
103[16:4*.52] <|343373|> 24681357*
104[16:50.03] <|343373|> now, do the same to 5
105[16:50.08] <|343373|> 5* 1-*
106[16:52.1*] <NiceLurk> 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 -> 5 1 6 2 7 3 8 4 0
107[16:53.28] <|343373|> it cant be 0 when theres a number, 0 means theres nothing so everything that mod* =0 in base 10 is = *
108[16:53.34] <|343373|> 24681357* [Pattern of *2]
109[16:53.36] <|343373|> 51627384* [Pattern of *5]
110[16:53.38] <|343373|> so far
111[16:53.51] <|343373|> now do 1-* /2
112[16:54.14] <|343373|> use a visual digital root not "mod*"
113[16:54.34] <|343373|> (with your own eyes)
114[16:57.11] <NiceLurk> 0.5 1 1.5 2 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5  -> 81/
115[16:57.44] <|343373|> > 5 1 6 2 7 3 8 4 *
116[16:58.31] <|343373|> what conclusion do you have of it so far?
117[16:58.33] <NiceLurk> not sur ewhat you mean with visual digital root? like you mean 2^(-1/2)= distance in rectangular triangle with hipotenuses of 1 unit?
118[16:58.47] <|343373|> i mean simplify it
119[16:58.56] <|343373|> just combine all the digit of a number
120[16:5*.3*] <|343373|> or any other meathod that does the same(going to the nature of the number)
121[16:5*.44] <|343373|> method*
122[17:00.10] <|343373|> 0 and 5 is 5
123[17:00.12] <|343373|> 1 is 1
124[17:00.28] <NiceLurk> 1.5 is 6 ?
125[17:00.33] <|343373|> yup
126[17:00.41] <|343373|> keep going
127[17:01.00] <NiceLurk> so 5 1 6 2 7 3 8 4 *
128[17:01.14] <|343373|> mhm where did you see that already?
129[17:01.16] <NiceLurk> same as with *5
130[17:01.45] <NiceLurk> but 0,5*10 is 5 so this is not so surprizing
131[17:01.51] <|343373|> correct
132[17:01.52] <|343373|> 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2]
133[17:02.07] <|343373|> now do 1-* /5
134[17:02.14] <NiceLurk> and 50 and 1/20
135[17:02.34] <|343373|> its not suppposed to be surprizing
136[17:02.43] <NiceLurk> ok 1-*/5 is 
137[17:03.26] <|343373|> remember test and confirm everything yourself, dont trust me if ill suddenly tell you something = something
138[17:03.28] <NiceLurk> 0.25 0.5 0.75 1 1.25 1.5 1.75 2 2.15
139[17:05.34] <|343373|> 1/5 = 0.2, 2/5 = 0.4 ....
140[17:05.51] <NiceLurk> simplified 7 5 12 1 8 3 13 2 8 more simplified 7 5 3 1 8 3 4 2 8
141[17:06.00] <|343373|> ....
142[17:06.12] <NiceLurk> oh i fucked up you are correct i did it for 1-* /4
143[17:06.23] <|343373|> keep that one though
144[17:06.42] <|343373|> write them all down in a txt
145[17:08.27] <NiceLurk> 0.2 0.4 0.6 0.8 1 1.2 1.4 1.6 1.8   simplified 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 *  same as for *2
146[17:08.38] <|343373|> you have a typo btw, */4 = *
147[17:08.56] <|343373|> good
148[17:0*.02] <|343373|> so
149[17:0*.04] <|343373|> so far
150[17:0*.07] <|343373|> 24681357* [Pattern of *2 AND /5]
151[17:0*.0*] <|343373|> 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2]
152[17:0*.15] <|343373|> do you see a pattern there?
153[17:10.04] <|343373|> now do *4
154[17:10.58] <NiceLurk> yeah because 5 and 2 are primes of 10 ?
155[17:11.04] <NiceLurk> ok now 4
156[17:13.20] <NiceLurk> 4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 36 -> 4 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 *
157[17:14.21] <|343373|> 48372615* [Pattern of *4]
158[17:14.25] <|343373|> now do *7
159[17:16.3*] <NiceLurk> 7 14 21 28 35 42 4* 56 63 -> 7 5 3 1 8 6 4 2 *
160[17:17.04] <|343373|> 75318642* [Pattern of *7]
161[17:17.12] <|343373|> now what was the /4
162[17:1*.53] <NiceLurk> 0,25 0,5 0,75 1 1,25 1,5 1,75 2 2,25 -> 7 5 3 1 8 6 4 2 *
163[17:20.20] <|343373|> where have you seen the same pattern?
164[17:20.31] <NiceLurk> at *7
165[17:20.48] <|343373|> 75318642* [Pattern of *7 AND /4]
166[17:21.04] <|343373|> now stop. dont try /7 yet
167[17:21.28] <|343373|> confirm what you have so far with any number of the same nature
168[17:21.31] <|343373|> for example
169[17:22.32] <|343373|> 4638752438 / 2  (4638752438 = 5, BUT CONFIRM IT TOO)
170[17:22.44] <|343373|> (that was a random number)
171[17:24.33] <|343373|> wait sec
172[17:24.4*] <|343373|> i think i derped something
173[17:25.04] <NiceLurk> i dont understand what you want me to confirm, calculate mod* of 4638752438 ?
174[17:26.22] <|343373|> I think i derped something 1 moment
175[17:28.4*] <|343373|> yeah i derped with the amount of numbers I didnt count the extra cycle
176[17:28.5*] <|343373|> any number with * or less digits
177[17:2*.24] <|343373|> 463875243 instead of 4638752438
178[17:2*.35] <|343373|> 463875243 -> 6
179[17:30.17] <NiceLurk> 463875243 -> 42 -> 6
180[17:30.58] <|343373|> now 463875243 /2 = 3 (obviously, but confirm so you know for sure)
181[17:32.45] <|343373|> then try same with other random numbers just to be sure. (dont go over * digits per number though)
182[17:33.11] <NiceLurk> 231*37621,5 -> 35 -> 8 hm this doesnt work but i went over * digits
183[17:33.52] <|343373|> nono dont go over with the number you divide
184[17:34.04] <|343373|> the result is okay
185[17:34.42] <|343373|> 231*376215 Mod *
186[17:34.57] <|343373|> ignore the ,
187[17:36.00] <NiceLurk> 231*376215 Mod * -> 3
188[17:36.12] <|343373|> mhm
189[17:36.26] <|343373|> The rule stays consistent.
190[17:36.32] <NiceLurk> digital root works only on les than * digits? for more you have to use mod * ?
191[17:37.21] <|343373|> no it works with more than * too, its just theres another cycle added, you wont need it for LP so you can figure it out yourself later im not going to explain that part
192[17:40.08] <|343373|> tell me when youre done confirming using random numbers.. you can do *2 *5 *4 *7 /2 /4 /5
193[17:44.37] <|343373|> 46387121 -> 5, 22 -> 4
194[17:44.3*] <|343373|> 46387121 / 22
195[17:44.5*] <|343373|> 2108505.5 -> 8
196[17:45.35] <NiceLurk> 46387121 / 22 would be 5/4
197[17:45.53] <|343373|> mhm
198[17:46.18] <|343373|> 7531[8]642* (fifth of /4)
199[17:47.2*] <|343373|> rule is consistent, when theres no 3, 6, * and 7 involved.
200[17:48.18] <NiceLurk> 111111 -> 6   111111/2 -> 3   although if you check with mod* you have to multiply 10*111111/2
201[17:4*.14] <|343373|> correct, as long as 3,6,*,and 7 dont play a role in the division
202[17:50.02] <NiceLurk> what did  you mean by 7531[8]642* (fifth of /4) ?
203[17:50.2*] <NiceLurk> 8 is fifth digit?
204[17:50.32] <|343373|> 5/4 = 5th digit in the pattern of /4
205[17:51.27] <|343373|> Do you get the approach to numbers I showed you so far?
206[17:53.07] <NiceLurk> mostly, i still dont know why 5th digit ni pattern of /4 is important
207[17:53.32] <|343373|> its not, whats important is to understand how numbers work
208[17:53.51] <|343373|> (the right approach)
209[17:54.12] <|343373|> now the harder part. 
210[17:54.22] <NiceLurk> yes i understand that, you add all digits or you do mod(*) after you get rid of decimals
211[17:54.41] <|343373|> did you understand why it works like that? why the patterns happen?
212[17:55.14] <NiceLurk> just a minut, phone
213[17:55.43] <|343373|> *2 <----->/5 is movement along one axis, *5 <------>/2 is movement along another axis
214[17:58.33] <NiceLurk> i am back, yes i think i know why mor* is the same as digital root
215[17:58.38] <|343373|> (these axes are infinitely looped)
216[17:5*.26] <|343373|> remember in base10 its mod*, in base 2* its mod28
217[18:00.1*] <|343373|> just remember that part, it'll be useful later
218[18:01.12] <NiceLurk> yeah, whats with the axis? one axis is 24681357* and second is 51627384*
219[18:01.34] <|343373|> yes
220[18:01.40] <NiceLurk> or you didnt mean that sequences with *2 <----->/5 
221[18:01.53] <NiceLurk> ok so *2 <----->/5   is   24681357*
222[18:02.02] <|343373|> its movement along 1 axis
223[18:02.35] <|343373|> *2 is one end of it, /5 is other end of it
224[18:02.54] <NiceLurk> on thing i dont get... why 3 6 * and 7 shouldnt have role in the division
225[18:03.0*] <|343373|> they do
226[18:03.25] <|343373|> but they are complicated i didint get to them in my explanation yet
227[18:03.2*] <|343373|> didnt*
228[18:04.43] <|343373|> later youll get to having to spin those axes but nvm it for now, first try to understand how the most basic part works :o
229[18:05.10] <|343373|> once you get the approach fully the rest will become easy
230[18:05.46] <|343373|> Now any questions before I get to "7"?
231[18:06.10] <|343373|> any questions about what I have explained so far
232[18:07.22] <NiceLurk> yeah those two axes, they are divided on units or on indefinatelly small pieces?
233[18:08.2*] <|343373|> they are axes metaphorically, they are 4 dimentional axes
234[18:08.34] <|343373|> so they can be both
235[18:10.0*] <|343373|> 2nd axis can be anywhere on the first axis and they can overlay, overlap and so on too... 
236[18:10.12] <NiceLurk> ok, i guess ill get what you mean by 4 dimensonal when we came to that
237[18:10.51] <NiceLurk> its a grid with those two axes
238[18:10.5*] <|343373|> in a way
239[18:11.35] <|343373|> its an infinitely dimentional matrix of numbers
240[18:12.17] <|343373|> with axes anywhere on it
241[18:13.24] <|343373|> heres an example:
242[18:16.32] <|343373|> a=1 -> [(a *2)= a mod*]looped
243[18:17.33] <|343373|> (2 4 8 7 5 1) ....
244[18:18.06] <|343373|> a=1 -> [(a *5)= a mod*]looped
245[18:18.31] <|343373|> (5 7 8 4 2 1) ....
246[18:1*.01] <|343373|> a=1 -> [(a /2)= a mod*]looped
247[18:1*.10] <|343373|> (5 7 8 4 2 1) ....
248[18:1*.31] <|343373|> a=1 -> [(a /5)= a mod*]looped
249[18:1*.37] <|343373|> (2 4 8 7 5 1) ....
250[18:21.14] <|343373|> 2 and 5 change places, 4 and 7 change places
251[18:21.34] <NiceLurk> you have squares in brackets like (a a^2 a^3 a^4) ?
252[18:21.5*] <|343373|> that too
253[18:22.20] <|343373|> ^ works abit differently though
254[18:22.40] <NiceLurk> yeah 8 and 1 stays on same place
255[18:22.43] <|343373|> ^x
256[18:22.48] <|343373|> yes
257[18:23.50] <|343373|> 1 and 8 are the main axis for 2, 5 | 4, 7 | 3, 6
258[18:24.11] <|343373|> 3 and 6 are going crazy though
259[18:24.18] <|343373|> and * is in the very center
260[18:24.38] <|343373|> because all th other digits come from * (in base10)
261[18:26.06] <|343373|> nvm that though... im going into too complicated stuff that you dont even need that much for LP (maybe later)
262[18:27.00] <|343373|> unless youre very interested, ill try to keep pushing along the borderline of the rules... lol ;-;
263[18:27.47] <NiceLurk> sure, try to explain as much as possible, so far i am somehow following
264[18:27.56] <|343373|> but I rather not right now because idk how much I can reveal about it, because I have a feeling next puzzle will have something to do with it
265[18:2*.01] <|343373|> try to comprehend the basic important stuff first...
266[18:2*.48] <|343373|> okay anything you didnt understand about things i explained about * / of 2,4,5,7(excluding /7)
267[18:2*.53] <|343373|> ?
268[18:31.27] <|343373|> the basic stuff, not going into axis and all the ^x and a(*x or /x)=a/mod*
269[18:31.31] <NiceLurk> i get it
270[18:31.58] <|343373|> kk now /7. do a 1-* / 16 first
271[18:35.25] <NiceLurk> i fucked up restarting
272[18:35.34] <NiceLurk> 0.625
273[18:41.45] <NiceLurk> 0.0625 0.125 0.1875 0.25 0.3125 0.375 0.4375 0.5 0.5625 -> 4 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 *
274[18:41.58] <NiceLurk> i got a bit distracted
275[18:42.03] <|343373|> which is the pattern of ?
276[18:42.16] <NiceLurk> same as *4
277[18:42.31] <NiceLurk> so *4 is same as /16
278[18:42.5*] <|343373|> so you think its same as *4? just like logic says it is looking at how the other 3 numbers (2, 5, 4) worked?
279[18:43.0*] <|343373|> 7 laughs at it
280[18:43.22] <|343373|> try to do the same with 1-* /7
281[18:44.18] <|343373|> (find the right place to cut the pattern after the , )
282[18:45.12] <|343373|> and the instinct is right, 1/7 = *
283[18:45.36] <|343373|> go on from there, 2-* /7
284[18:46.48] <NiceLurk> why should instinct suggests that 1/7 -> *
285[18:47.20] <NiceLurk> * was so far laways last digit in all sequences
286[18:47.30] <|343373|> 0.(142857) 142857142857142857142857... keeps repeating endlessly. 
287[18:47.44] <|343373|> 142857 = *
288[18:47.51] <NiceLurk> oh i see
289[18:48.26] <NiceLurk> ok lets try this
290[18:4*.15] <|343373|> good luck, it was hell to figure it out from nothing without any hints. and thats the minimum requirement. I was lucky to know it even before trying to solve the puzzles
291[18:50.45] <|343373|> after you understand this one, alot of older 3301 puzzle hints will become clear
292[18:54.20] <NiceLurk> * 7 * * 7 * 1 1 1
293[18:54.42] <|343373|> nope
294[18:54.50] <|343373|> try again
295[18:54.55] <|343373|> :/
296[18:55.06] <NiceLurk> wrong? ok
297[18:55.43] <NiceLurk> 0.142857....     ->  27  ->  *
298[18:56.05] <|343373|> mhm I can only say if its wrong or not, not allowed to give obvious hints to this one, I gave all the hints you need for that one
299[18:56.26] <|343373|> 1/7 = *, find 2-* /7
300[18:57.21] <NiceLurk> 2/7=0.285714....   -> 27 -> * 
301[18:57.41] <|343373|> find the right place to cut the tail
302[18:5*.04] <NiceLurk> 3/7=0.428571....   -> 27 -> *
303[18:5*.21] <NiceLurk> ok i will try lokking for other place to cut the tail
304[18:5*.43] <|343373|> remember, when you get the right answer it will make perfect sense
305[1*:00.02] <|343373|> you will know for sure yourself that you found the right one
306[1*:06.24] <|343373|> btw dont stress yourself, do it in a relaxed manner
307[1*:07.06] <NiceLurk> i am doning it slowly, adding every digit to notice the pattern
308[1*:08.40] <|343373|> relaxed manner, dont cut the tail randomly, find the pattern to it... what keeps moving according to a pattern what what doesnt. and youll know where you can cut the tail
309[1*:0*.32] <|343373|> its simple. dont complicate the problem in your mind.
310[1*:12.02] <NiceLurk> i am making whole table, not loosing any tails, it looks promising so far
311[1*:12.43] <|343373|> it is one of the right approaches to it when you have no idea what to do :)
312[1*:13.32] <|343373|> but dont forget, this one is simple. so simple it could be called stupidly simple. but its hard to notice at first.
313[1*:1*.13] <|343373|> only 7/7 wont make sense in the pattern that you will find
314[1*:20.08] <NiceLurk> yeah its gonna be 1, i am not there yet i fucked up at 5
315[1*:20.37] <|343373|> what did you get at 2-4 /7?
316[1*:22.2*] <NiceLurk> 1 5 7 6 2 * 1 5 7
317[1*:22.2*] <NiceLurk> 2 1 6 4 5 * 2 1 7
318[1*:22.2*] <NiceLurk> 4 6 5 1 8 * 4 6 5 
319[1*:22.2*] <NiceLurk> 5 3 4 8 1 * 5 3 4
320[1*:23.11] <|343373|> huh
321[1*:23.28] <|343373|> -facepalm-
322[1*:24.17] <|343373|> calm down with this. its simple. do the most supid, unreasonable and simple thing you can do. 1/7 was an example to hwo it works.
323[1*:24.34] <|343373|> how*
324[1*:25.01] <NiceLurk> 1/7 you cut at 6th digit after ,
325[1*:25.25] <|343373|> why did i cut it at that spot?.
326[1*:25.54] <NiceLurk> so 2/7 you cut either at 5th or 7th
327[1*:25.55] <|343373|> I predict a facepalm when youll realize...
328[1*:26.10] <NiceLurk> you cut it at 6th spot becasue it startss repeating itself after that
329[1*:26.18] <|343373|> -thumbs up-
330[1*:26.28] <|343373|> what starts repeating after?
331[1*:26.33] <|343373|> what number?
332[1*:26.55] <NiceLurk> 15762*
333[1*:27.0*] <|343373|> .........
334[1*:27.12] <|343373|> 1/7
335[1*:27.40] <|343373|> 0.142857 14285714285714285714285714........
336[1*:27.45] <|343373|> why did i cut it there?
337[1*:28.00] <|343373|> what starts repeating after the cut?
338[1*:28.11] <|343373|> 0.142857 142857 142857 142857 142857 14
339[1*:28.30] <NiceLurk> i mean 142857 yes, i was looking at my  table intead of calc
340[1*:2*.0*] <|343373|> -facedesk- if youre 3301 testing me right now then i failed so badly with the rules just now, I was to apologize but this is stupid
341[1*:2*.24] <NiceLurk> but sums of digits are also repeating itself after 6th charaacter
342[1*:2*.27] <|343373|> want*
343[1*:2*.42] <NiceLurk> i sm not testing you, well i am, but i am not 3301
344[1*:2*.43] <|343373|> exactly, what starts repeating after?
345[1*:30.17] <|343373|> I lit. messaged it up there ;=;
346[1*:31.21] <|343373|> Im sorry, but its just something thats extremely easy but hard to realize
347[1*:31.3*] <NiceLurk> whole 6 digit sequence strats repeating itself
348[1*:31.44] <|343373|> and what do you mean by testing me but not being 3301?
349[1*:31.52] <NiceLurk> and it happens at every 1-* /7
350[1*:32.21] <|343373|> yes what does that sequance equal to and repeating endlessly that you can cut it?
351[1*:32.2*] <NiceLurk> i am testing you to see if your path really goes somewhere
352[1*:33.36] <NiceLurk> sequence equals to 1/7 *10? 
353[1*:33.57] <NiceLurk> 10^6 *
354[1*:34.03] <|343373|> What does 142857 equal to?
355[1*:35.40] <NiceLurk> it is divisable by * so it equals to *
356[1*:35.50] <|343373|> -thumbs up-
357[1*:36.14] <NiceLurk> you already said that 1/7  equals to *
358[1*:36.23] <|343373|> 2/7 = 0.2857142857142857......... where do you cut the tail?
359[1*:36.50] <NiceLurk> probbably at 5th character, or maybe at 7th
360[1*:37.0*] <|343373|> where the pattern is broken and where does it start complete?
361[1*:37.26] <NiceLurk> i dont know yet that is why i want to create whole table and see which diagonal will it be
362[1*:37.45] <NiceLurk> patterns falls apart at 7/7
363[1*:38.07] <|343373|> do you want a giving away hint or find it yourself?
364[1*:38.11] <|343373|> sigh
365[1*:38.17] <NiceLurk> but i have to figure out what to do with 8/7 since its first one bigger than one
366[1*:38.47] <NiceLurk> give me the hint then, to speed up the process
367[1*:38.50] <|343373|> youre overcomplicating the problem
368[1*:3*.23] <|343373|>  0.2857 <incomplete | complete > 142857 142857....
369[1*:3*.37] <NiceLurk> if i cut every sequnce at 6th character i get series of *s and 1 at 7/7
370[1*:41.07] <NiceLurk> hmm
371[1*:41.14] <|343373|> are you facepalming yet?
372[1*:41.24] <NiceLurk> nope
373[1*:42.02] <|343373|> 0.42857 <incomplete | complete> 142857142857142857142857143.....
374[1*:42.20] <|343373|> clear enough?
375[1*:42.22] <|343373|> o.o
376[1*:42.23] <NiceLurk> you are cutting  them from front  towards the back?
377[1*:42.51] <|343373|> "142857" = *
378[1*:43.06] <|343373|> you can remove all "*"s in the tail
379[1*:43.10] <|343373|> 142857 is 1 unit
380[1*:43.13] <|343373|> of *
381[1*:43.2*] <NiceLurk> so
382[1*:43.5*] <NiceLurk> 42857 -> 8
383[1*:44.06] <|343373|> yes
384[1*:44.18] <NiceLurk> 2857 -> 4
385[1*:44.21] <|343373|> yes
386[1*:44.37] <NiceLurk> 857 -> 2
387[1*:44.4*] <|343373|> yes
388[1*:44.53] <NiceLurk> 57 -> 3
389[1*:44.58] <|343373|> yes
390[1*:45.03] <NiceLurk> and 7 -> 7
391[1*:45.13] <|343373|> yes
392[1*:45.31] <|343373|> facepalm yet?
393[1*:45.33] <NiceLurk> so *84237 but we dont have * digits
394[1*:45.53] <|343373|> use 16 instead of 7 when you do 7/7
395[1*:46.42] <NiceLurk> 1/16=0,0625
396[1*:46.57] <|343373|> no
397[1*:47.01] <|343373|> 16/7
398[1*:47.12] <NiceLurk> ah ok
399[1*:47.2*] <|343373|> *48372?15
400[1*:47.55] <NiceLurk> 16/7=2.2857142857...
401[1*:4*.16] <|343373|> 7 / 7 = ?
402[1*:52.02] <|343373|> after you do that,
403[1*:52.18] <|343373|> Do you remember PARABLE 1,5*5,277,641, and the 2 most important numbers of 3301(other than 3301, 1033)?
404[1*:52.54] <NiceLurk> so for 16/7 we get 2 4 3...             
405[1*:53.16] <NiceLurk> an 761 and 167?     and parable needs to be factorized
406[1*:53.34] <|343373|> 16/7
407[1*:53.51] <|343373|> 7 / 7 = 1, and ?
408[1*:55.35] <|343373|> 1/7 = *, 2/7=4, 3/7=8, 4/7=3 .....
409[1*:55.45] <|343373|> finish the whole pattern
410[1*:57.34] <|343373|> 1-* /7 
411[1*:58.05] <NiceLurk> 1/7 -> *
412[1*:58.14] <|343373|> yes
413[1*:58.2*] <NiceLurk> 2/7 -> 42857 -> 8 ?
414[1*:58.34] <|343373|> yes
415[1*:5*.04] <NiceLurk> 3/7 -> 4
416[1*:5*.20] <NiceLurk> 4/7 -> 2
417[1*:5*.22] <|343373|> no
418[1*:5*.28] <|343373|> 3/7 is not 4
419[20:00.06] <|343373|> i mean
420[20:00.26] <|343373|> sec wat
421[20:00.33] <NiceLurk> isnt it from 2857
422[20:01.02] <|343373|> what are you doing?...
423[20:01.31] <|343373|> 0.142857 14285714285714285714285714 1/7
424[20:01.32] <|343373|> 0.2857 142857142857142857142857142* 2/7
425[20:01.32] <|343373|> 0.42857 142857142857142857142857143 3/7
426[20:01.32] <|343373|> 0.57 142857142857142857142857142857 4/7
427[20:01.32] <|343373|> 0.7 1428571428571428571428571428571 5/7
428[20:01.58] <NiceLurk> earlier you were saying yes when i was cutting off leading digits of 142857
429[20:02.08] <NiceLurk> yeah it was a bit strange
430[20:03.14] <|343373|> 0.142857 14285714285714285714285714 1/7 ->*
431[20:03.15] <|343373|> 0.2857 142857142857142857142857142* 2/7 ->4
432[20:03.15] <|343373|> 0.42857 142857142857142857142857143 3/7 ->8
433[20:03.15] <|343373|> 0.57 142857142857142857142857142857 4/7 ->3
434[20:03.15] <|343373|> 0.7 1428571428571428571428571428571 5/7 ->7
435[20:04.58] <NiceLurk> 0,8571428571428571 6/7
436[20:05.07] <|343373|> mhm
437[20:05.25] <|343373|> 0.857 14285714285714285714285714286....
438[20:05.45] <NiceLurk> 0,857 1428571428571  6/7  -> 2
439[20:06.00] <|343373|> yes
440[20:06.1*] <NiceLurk> 1.0000000 7/7  -> 1
441[20:06.2*] <|343373|> 16/7 to find 7/7
442[20:06.42] <NiceLurk> ok
443[20:06.54] <|343373|> i will explain why it shifts after
444[20:07.08] <|343373|> its related to prime numbers
445[20:07.33] <NiceLurk> 2,2857 14285714286  16/7 -> 6
446[20:07.43] <|343373|> bravo
447[20:08.10] <|343373|> kk do the rest of /7 first
448[20:08.33] <NiceLurk> ok but later tell me why out of nowhere 16?
449[20:0*.18] <|343373|> mhm
450[20:0*.48] <NiceLurk> 1,142857 142857143 8/7 -> 1
451[20:10.04] <|343373|> yes
452[20:10.30] <NiceLurk> 1,2857 14285714286 */7 -> 5
453[20:10.35] <|343373|> yes
454[20:10.57] <|343373|> what did you get? write the result in a line
455[20:11.00] <NiceLurk> os whole sequence is *48372615
456[20:11.33] <NiceLurk> *5 and /2 backwards
457[20:11.51] <|343373|> 24681357* [Pattern of *2 AND /5]
458[20:11.51] <|343373|> 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2]
459[20:11.51] <|343373|> 48372615* [Pattern of *4 AND /16]
460[20:11.51] <|343373|> 75318642* [Pattern of *7 AND /4]
461[20:11.51] <|343373|> *48372615 [Pattern of /7]
462[20:14.26] <|343373|> it happens because the effect of dividing by a prime 7 shifts the cycle by +1 infinity
463[20:14.47] <|343373|> the * from the end goes to the beginning
464[20:15.37] <NiceLurk> yeah its *5 and /2 backwards
465[20:16.13] <|343373|> -thumbs up- you get why i said axis?
466[20:16.23] <|343373|> that you can move along
467[20:17.03] <NiceLurk> also 7/7 could be deducted if you calculate all others and only 6 stays unused
468[20:18.10] <|343373|> or by understanding that dividing prime 7 by prime 7 cancels the shift by 1 infinity
469[20:1*.02] <|343373|> 16/7 = 6, 7/61 = 1
470[20:20.48] <|343373|> "also 7/7 could be deducted if you calculate all others and only 6 stays unused" is more likely of a meathod to find it for the first time though
471[20:20.55] <|343373|> method*
472[20:21.46] <|343373|> do you understand the 167, 761, and 7 / 7 = ? now?
473[20:23.0*] <|343373|> wait i think i typod again
474[20:23.20] <NiceLurk> sorry i got distracted a bit
475[20:23.26] <|343373|> sorry extremely tired atm
476[20:23.46] <|343373|> anyway ill shorten the explanation abit atm, later ill explain more if you need
477[20:23.56] <NiceLurk> yeah i get 16/7=6 not sure where you got 7/61
478[20:24.17] <|343373|> yeah sec im not sure its 6 too i think
479[20:24.31] <|343373|> when you divide by non prime 7 you get 1
480[20:24.43] <|343373|> when you divide by prime 7 you get 6
481[20:24.57] <|343373|> i need to recheck
482[20:25.02] <NiceLurk> and i dont get this shift by infinity, if it reverses it doesnt shift by +infinity but -
483[20:25.03] <|343373|> i done this in 2014
484[20:25.56] <|343373|> no its by + it starts cycle from the next cycle -1 yes
485[20:26.04] <|343373|> but it moves 1 cycle up still
486[20:2*.07] <|343373|> the same approach to numeral system is used in LP
487[20:2*.18] <|343373|> but using a base2* system
488[20:2*.4*] <|343373|> using magic square to find the patter the next few pages will follow
489[20:2*.56] <|343373|> pattern*
490[20:30.58] <|343373|> original 17 pictures, pic on the 4th page is example used to understand hwo to use the magic square
491[20:31.11] <|343373|> how*
492[20:32.20] <|343373|> the magic square on page 17 is used as a tool to find the pattern pages 00-14 of the 00-57 will follow
493[20:34.15] <|343373|> square on page 15 is incomplete, after completeing it and using the pattern theer you can solve up to page 22
494[20:35.04] <NiceLurk> http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/6/62/Onion_3_v3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=2014011511402*
495[20:35.31] <NiceLurk> so this square from page 4 is example to solve page 4?
496[20:36.53] <NiceLurk> that page was solved by reversing runes or "atbash" cipher; which is similar to what happened with sequnce form *5 /2 to /7
497[20:37.40] <NiceLurk>  this one http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/6/66/Runes-warning.jpg/revision/latest?cb=2014010816315*
498[20:38.10] <|343373|> the image on page 22 and the top of 23 are used to 26, page 27 for up to 32, 32 for 33. and so on... its going back and forth at somepoint
499[20:3*.10] <|343373|> yes thats part of the example
500[20:3*.32] <|343373|> but it keeps moving acording to the pattern til page 17
501[20:3*.52] <|343373|> the pattern keeps changing according to a pattern in the magic square
502[20:41.27] <|343373|> square from page 4 is example to solve WHOLE 1-17
503[20:41.37] <|343373|> well 3-17*
504[20:42.0*] <|343373|> using the Gematria Primus as base-2* numeral system
505[20:43.54] <|343373|> page 2 and 4-17
506[20:46.55] <|343373|> sorry i might typo page numbers tiny bit im really tired atm
507[20:47.3*] <NiceLurk> yeah you mean  pages 3-17, first two were Liber Primus and Intus
508[20:47.42] <|343373|> btw any chance you can help me get unbanned on cicadasolvers? lol
509[20:47.54] <NiceLurk> yeah i forgot
510[20:47.55] <|343373|> they werent first 2
511[20:4*.36] <|343373|> 00 is Liber Primus, 01 is warning, 02 is Intus, 03 is first wisdom
512[20:4*.50] <|343373|> then the welcome starts
513[20:52.1*] <NiceLurk> yeah you are right, i forgot about that, we changed order in wikia for some reason
514[20:52.57] <|343373|> From what I understand about 3301s knowledge so far is that they are trying to build something amazing... using the true nature laws... But I still have no idea since I never got in contact with them directly so far (as far as i know)
515[20:55.33] <|343373|> still have no idea for sure*
516[20:56.24] <NiceLurk> so this square reverses the runes
517[20:56.27] <NiceLurk> 272     138     341     131     151
518[20:56.27] <NiceLurk> 366     1**     130     320     18
519[20:56.27] <NiceLurk> 226     245     *1      245     226
520[20:56.27] <NiceLurk> 18      320     130     1**     366
521[20:56.27] <NiceLurk> 151     131     341     138     272
522[20:57.06] <|343373|> yes the first 17 pages (not 00-57)
523[20:58.36] <|343373|> You know what yin yang is right?
524[20:5*.13] <NiceLurk> but on two pages we used also DIUINITY key, so it wasnt simple atbash ciphere but it was vigenere
525[20:5*.24] <NiceLurk> yeah i am familiar with yin yang
526[20:5*.3*] <|343373|> this is the first "magic square" simplified:
527[20:5*.3*] <|343373|> 2 3 8 5 6
528[20:5*.3*] <|343373|> 6 1 4 5 *
529[20:5*.3*] <|343373|> 1 2 1 2 1
530[20:5*.3*] <|343373|> * 5 4 1 5
531[20:5*.40] <|343373|> 6 5 8 3 2
532[20:5*.5*] <|343373|> the way they chose the numbers is very importrant in the hint too
533[21:00.07] <|343373|> look at the "1"s
534[21:01.15] <|343373|> also notice what number its missing
535[21:01.35] <|343373|> all of it plays a role in the encryption pattern
536[21:04.14] <NiceLurk> some pages were not encrypted at all
537[21:04.2*] <|343373|> its all part of the pattern
538[21:04.37] <|343373|> the first one is very simple
539[21:04.43] <|343373|> its just the example
540[21:06.17] <|343373|> if you find the connection between the pattern between the encryptions on what page number and the maic square youll understand how it works
541[21:07.07] <NiceLurk> so second page used atbash cipher, no running key just simple fixed runes substitution 2* -> 1, 28 -> 2, 27 -> 3
542[21:07.10] <|343373|> Im sorry but im already pushing on the line too much... Im trying to give as much as I can within the rules :s
543[21:07.46] <|343373|> oh crap I forgot to explain to you about cycles
544[21:08.42] <NiceLurk> are those 256 char hex strings involved in it?
545[21:08.44] <|343373|> 1 is first cycle of 1, 10 is 2nd cycle of 1, 1* is 3rd and so on
546[21:08.53] <|343373|> but thats in 10 base system
547[21:0*.35] <|343373|> look at everything in both base10 for numbers and in a base2* for letters
548[21:11.10] <NiceLurk> also cycles and i still dont visualize those axes with infinity shifts when you divide with prime number
549[21:11.17] <|343373|> you can have 1 cycles of a number in 1 digit, 11 in 2 digits, 111 in 3 digits
550[21:11.57] <NiceLurk> cycles... first one has * "steps", while 2nd, 3rd... has 10 "steps"
551[21:12.01] <|343373|> those are for after page 15 of 00-57
552[21:12.1*] <|343373|> first 15 pages will be slightly more simple
553[21:12.56] <|343373|> the dificulty does up slowly then cancels itself in the end reaching the end of the higher pattern
554[21:13.02] <|343373|> goes up*
555[21:15.07] <|343373|> thats why the last page wasnt really encrypted
556[21:15.46] <NiceLurk> btw you are unbanned in #cicadasolvers, try not to tease brother and iIIustrious too much, seems to me they are quite trigger happy, yesterday iii kicked complexsystems and later her friend for no real reason
557[21:16.1*] <NiceLurk> yeah but second to last page is also simple cipher, just totient of primes or primes-1 as a key
558[21:16.22] <|343373|> just this account or Fu-Xi too? :o
559[21:17.22] <NiceLurk> hmm * 367 #cicadasolvers Fu-Xi!*@* iIIusionaliII!~iIIustrio@unaffiliated/iiiustrious 1462753501
560[21:18.02] <|343373|> yeah that one
561[21:1*.15] <|343373|> before last page is the end of the higher pattern and last page is no pattern at all, its plain gematria primus
562[21:1*.58] <|343373|> because all of the patterns are cancelled by that point
563[21:20.1*] <|343373|> and thanks
564[21:20.34] <NiceLurk> <brotherBox> you have never talked to fu-xi and he is a giant idiot
565[21:21.26] <|343373|> ... sigh, they never even listened to the explanation, simply banned me
566[21:21.46] <|343373|> youre one of the only few who have
567[21:21.53] <NiceLurk> was fu-xi your acount or somebody elses?
568[21:21.54] <|343373|> does it make sense now though?
569[21:22.53] <NiceLurk> well i still dont really know how to put those squares in the ciphers and keys, but i am a bit to tired right now to think about it anyways
570[21:23.02] <|343373|> umm I cant answer this one, but its not just myself who has access to it, but its not 3301, im not in contact and never directly was with them
571[21:23.31] <NiceLurk> still trying to wrap my head around those axes shifting to infinity
572[21:24.05] <|343373|> they dont have to shift to infinity they will shift as much as you want them to
573[21:24.48] <|343373|> the /7, /3, /6  and /* will keep shifting the higher number you divide
574[21:25.18] <|343373|> thats part of the encryption too so i cant talk too much in detail about it :/
575[21:26.40] <NiceLurk> so fu-xi is your friend who also solved LP and has access to those directions from onion or what?
576[21:26.55] <|343373|> you could say that
577[21:27.37] <NiceLurk> complexsystems and her aliases are also part of your clan?
578[21:27.52] <|343373|> no
579[21:28.18] <|343373|> and its not a clan lol
580[21:28.25] <NiceLurk> there is shit load of peolpe claiming all sorts of things without much proof, that is why iII and brother are banning and kicking people all over the place
581[21:2*.32] <|343373|> Fu-Xi is just a friend I promised to keep his privacy and I have access to his account because of the meaning of that nickname
582[21:2*.53] <NiceLurk> i came back to channels a week ago, i wasnt on irc for almost two years, and i noticed that alot of things have changed, its just getting worse
583[21:30.28] <|343373|> ik
584[21:30.41] <NiceLurk> but when fu-xi was banned, was it you using his nick?
585[21:31.42] <|343373|> uhhh one of the 2 times. he was banned.. lol from what I know
586[21:32.24] <|343373|> my friend ragequited trying to follow the rules after the ban
587[21:32.46] <NiceLurk> so was he unbanned before
588[21:33.13] <|343373|> i mean ragequited irc
589[21:33.2*] <|343373|> idk I managed to go on it even though he said he was banned but then i got banned
590[21:33.41] <|343373|> i mean i managed to join the channel
591[21:33.54] <NiceLurk> trying to follow rules in solvers? there arent any rules besides dont get brother and iii angry
592[21:35.17] <|343373|> he and I were just trying to explain and hint with 7/7=?, but then got attacked and sort of cried about the rules from the onion page
593[21:35.25] <|343373|> sigh
594[21:3*.01] <NiceLurk> apparently you posted this https://i.imgur.com/LzNz6Eq.png
595[21:3*.1*] <NiceLurk> wich actually really looks unconvincing
596[21:3*.27] <NiceLurk> which*
597[21:41.33] <|343373|> Jpg from an onion address from a hex string going from page 70 to page 03 (4 of the original) backwards
598[21:43.35] <|343373|> that 3301.jpg if changed to .mp3, will play the 761 (The Instar Emergence)
599[21:48.24] <NiceLurk> " from a hex string going from page 70 to page 03 (4 of the original) backwards" i dont get it
600[21:51.06] <|343373|> in the jpg theres a hex string that goes 3 characters at a time.. like abc, bcd, cde .... .on, oni, nio, ion, on/ ..... spelled backwards, starting page 70
601[21:52.03] <|343373|> ends at page 03
602[21:55.3*] <|343373|> then in the page directory theres a fake 3301.jpg, which is a gif, you use the word "gif" with gematria and something related to primes to find the extra directory that has the real 3301.jpg
603[21:56.38] <NiceLurk> hex string is outguessed in pages from 3 to 70?
604[21:56.4*] <|343373|> no
605[21:56.55] <|343373|> you need to find it manually
606[21:57.21] <NiceLurk> by opening those pages in hex editor?
607[21:57.31] <|343373|> you could.. yes
608[21:57.46] <|343373|> but its hell if you dont know what youre doing and what youre looking for
609[21:57.58] <|343373|> so wait with that till you get to page 70
610[21:58.33] <NiceLurk> didnt we already sniff those pages through and not found any redundant data
611[21:5*.24] <NiceLurk> you have to decrypt pages to fing hex orwhat? why i need to wait before I get to page 70
612[22:00.35] <|343373|> its a slightly altered hex string in the same(in a way) spot.. it follows a pattern too
613[22:00.36] <|343373|> yes you need to be up to page 70 to find how to locate the hex string
614[22:01.18] <|343373|> there was 1 week this month we were allowed to give out the 3301.jpg itself because it also related to 761 as a hint
615[22:02.42] <NiceLurk> and that 3301 has outguessed message with PGP signatue? and it somehow contain jpg picture of cicada in the middle of ascii text
616[22:03.44] <|343373|> it didnt outguess at first, there a black box in the file, once you use the right key with the right command you can outguess the encrypted data
617[22:05.47] <|343373|> oh thats a program my friend made it outguesses everything in the file in the correct order that its in inside, because the comment of that jpg has a hint to do that
618[22:06.52] <NiceLurk> but outguess outputs only ascii, it doesnt render jpegs like you have on that picture https://i.imgur.com/LzNz6Eq.png
619[22:08.10] <|343373|> yeah, thats why i said, its a modified one
620[22:08.11] <|343373|> it outguessed, then opened the next string that has the picture then the next text in the right order
621[22:0*.21] <|343373|> otherwise outguess wouldve crashed even if it was decrtpyed blackbox by then
622[22:0*.42] <|343373|> decrypted*
623[22:11.13] <NiceLurk> http://www.download3k.com/Security/Encrypting-Tools/Download-Outguess-Rebirth-steganography.html this one?
624[22:35.20] <|343373|> welp, someone spiked my vpn and the vpn started going crazy
625[22:35.26] <|343373|> gg :|
626[22:40.27] <NiceLurk> it wasnt me
627[22:41.56] <NiceLurk> i dont even have a cloak, since my nick expired and  i had to register it agin few days ago, now i am uncloaked few days so that old frined can confirm geolocation 
628[22:45.58] <|343373|> did you say anything after I said "decrypted*"?
629[22:58.2*] <|343373|> YOU
630[22:58.44] <|343373|> DID YOU TELL SAGE?
631[23:01.26] <NiceLurk> ill tell sage
632[23:01.41] <|343373|> tell him what?
633[23:02.02] <NiceLurk> yeah after you timed out i asked you if this is the outguess you were using http://www.download3k.com/Security/Encrypting-Tools/Download-Outguess-Rebirth-steganography.html this one?
634[23:02.26] <|343373|> you told him about the thing I asked you not to tell anyone... didnt you? i mean the 7/7=?
635[23:04.23] <NiceLurk> no
636[23:04.48] <NiceLurk> we were talking about that jpg you posted with 7 / 7 = ?
637[23:05.08] <|343373|> "<NiceLurk> you have my word"
638[23:05.35] <NiceLurk> everybody think tha this is lame clue, as i did before you started to explain all the mod* things
639[23:06.27] <NiceLurk> brother asked why i unbanned fu xi, i said that you asked to unban you and him
640[23:06.48] <|343373|> how come he knows what 7/7=? is then? either you told him or he solved that far or he is with 3301...
641[23:06.55] <NiceLurk> then brother posted that jpg and people started commenting it
642[23:07.32] <|343373|> <lardbucket> 7 / 7. <lardbucket> 6.
643[23:07.37] <NiceLurk> yeah i told them that 7/ 7 = 6 based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_root
644[23:07.4*] <|343373|> =.="""""""
645[23:08.05] <NiceLurk> to prove that there is something behind your seemingly mad claims
646[23:08.48] <|343373|> you know how hard it is to get to that point? and the rules say clearly to not say it directly
647[23:0*.10] <|343373|> great... just great :/
648[23:0*.24] <|343373|> thanks... :/
649[23:0*.30] <NiceLurk> you didnt say anything directly, i still dont have a clue about solution
650[23:10.52] <|343373|> well now it wont matter anymore.. I know I fucked up badly now... 7/7=? is the password to get recognized so that they will contact you
651[23:11.37] <|343373|> knowing what 7/7=6 is the password in a way
652[23:12.56] <NiceLurk> you have been posting that in channel in that jpg earlier and we are gonna solve the LP that would some out anyways
653[23:13.21] <NiceLurk> that was first thing brother mentioned to "prove" you are a troll
654[23:15.13] <|343373|> k I guess ive done my part, did you make it clear that i didnt just say 7/7=6 in digital root directly? :/
655[23:16.00] <|343373|> also how much did you explain?
656[23:16.37] <NiceLurk> not much i just posted  this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_root
657[23:16.57] <|343373|> and said 7/7=6?
658[23:17.33] <|343373|> and that it has something to do with the encryption pattern without going too much into details oh how the patterns and numbers work?
659[23:17.45] <NiceLurk> [22:16:16] <NiceLurk> it is supposed to be 6, and there is some sort of logic bahind it, i have to admit
660[23:18.20] <NiceLurk> [22:17:33] <NiceLurk> its based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_root or simply adding diggits of number togather, like those numeorogical nuts do
661[23:1*.25] <NiceLurk> and still brother didnt believe
662[23:1*.45] <NiceLurk> [22:1*:05] <brotherBox> NiceLurk: that is not division though
663[23:1*.45] <NiceLurk> [22:1*:26] <brotherBox> and it is entirely misleading to use that operator in that sense. he confirmed to me that / is meant as divisio
664[23:1*.45] <NiceLurk> [22:1*:28] <brotherBox> n
665[23:20.58] <NiceLurk> lardbucket isnt as opposing so he saw posibility of something there
666[23:21.08] <NiceLurk> also i see that you figured out who is sage
667[23:21.56] <|343373|> kk, you didnt explain too much in detail though like 2 5, 4 7 16, 7 5 2 are flipped?
668[23:22.54] <|343373|> and the 4 +1cycle-1 part
669[23:23.21] <NiceLurk> no i would need weeks to get that into brothers head
670[23:23.36] <|343373|> i mean to no one else...
671[23:24.24] <|343373|> dont explain in detail unless you finish comprehending how it works fully(or get to the rules page)
672[23:24.41] <NiceLurk> no only brother and sage were talking about it
673[23:25.0*] <|343373|> kk
674[23:25.13] <NiceLurk> although if i figure out LP i will help them solve it, that is how we work in solvers from the beginning
675[23:25.52] <NiceLurk> marcus has seen your 7 / 7 clue, when you were posting  outguessed jpg?
676[23:26.04] <|343373|> thats your choice, as long as its something you get to yourself then its not my fault
677[23:26.05] <NiceLurk> i wonder what would he have to say about it
678[23:26.36] <NiceLurk> he had contact to 3301 for the longest from all the popel in solvers
679[23:26.50] <|343373|> idk
680[23:27.01] <NiceLurk> does he knows you?
681[23:28.22] <NiceLurk> i sure dont remember you nick, although i remember most people that publicly collaborated in previous years
682[23:2*.07] <|343373|> maybe, maybe not, I used other nick but i was more of a solo till I met the person i share the "fuxi" name with
683[23:31.17] <NiceLurk> you didnt answer earlier, did fuxi guy compiled this outguess?
684[23:31.35] <NiceLurk> http://www.download3k.com/Security/Encrypting-Tools/Download-Outguess-Rebirth-steganography.html
685[23:32.05] <|343373|> no he used something else
686[23:33.5*] <NiceLurk> " thats a program my friend made it outguesses everything in the file in the correct order that its in inside, because the comment of that jpg has a hint to do that"
687[23:34.21] <NiceLurk> where was that comment
688[23:35.03] <|343373|> we were stuck at the 3301.jpg for so long.. even after decrypting it kept crashing when we tried to outguess and gave only the first text line, then he got the idea modify the original outguess program in a way it will run virtually and not outguess in a file but as raw data, its hard to explain
689[23:35.41] <NiceLurk> and how did you know that 3301.gif is fake so you somehow decrypted gif to folder on server to found real one
690[23:35.58] <|343373|> it didnt have any blackbox in the file
691[23:36.02] <|343373|> there was nothing there
692[23:36.03] <|343373|> at all
693[23:36.1*] <|343373|> other than the demo text and the music
694[23:36.36] <|343373|> took a while to figure it out
695[23:36.4*] <|343373|> then why is it a gif when its called a .jpg?
696[23:37.28] <NiceLurk> what sort of blackbox do you mean?
697[23:38.07] <|343373|> a whole section of the file encrypted and by passed
698[23:3*.1*] <NiceLurk> but openpuff and outguess dont put any blackboxes in the file
699[23:3*.47] <NiceLurk> not sure about openpuff but outguess changes normal pixels to encrypt data
700[23:40.00] <NiceLurk> there is nothing to detect in the file
701[23:40.33] <|343373|> yeah first you decrypt the black box then you can access the outguess area
702[23:42.17] <NiceLurk> if you put some randomly encrypted block in jpg file file is corrupted behind that block of text, you can add bytes only in header and at the end of the file to keep file readable
703[23:42.20] <|343373|> anyway, about the gif file, so we were confused and at some point though what if we change "gif" to gematria and see if there are any primes (3301 love primes..)
704[23:43.20] <|343373|> it was somewhere inside the sound file as far as i know
705[23:43.37] <|343373|> inside the soundfile that was inside the jpg
706[23:44.27] <|343373|> Gif -> 17 31 2
707[23:44.28] <NiceLurk> and file was redable as mp3 then?
708[23:45.10] <|343373|> yes if you change the file from "3301.jpg" into "3301.mp3" it plays the 761.mp3 file
709[23:45.21] <|343373|> idk if its the same mp3 file or not
710[23:45.35] <|343373|> but it sound the same
711[23:45.41] <NiceLurk> and you had to manually extract the hex string of jpg then
712[23:45.5*] <NiceLurk> or did it open the gif file if you changed extension to jpg?
713[23:46.06] <|343373|> decrypt it and set the offset of the outguess
714[23:46.37] <|343373|> umm the gif done the same
715[23:46.53] <|343373|> but gif didint have the black box
716[23:47.06] <|343373|> gif has could change to mp3 to play the music too
717[23:47.14] <|343373|> gif too*
718[23:47.54] <|343373|> anyway back to the story about the gif, we almost gave up but then thought what if we change the "gif" letters into gematria and look for primes
719[23:48.02] <|343373|> Gif -> 17 31 2
720[23:48.21] <|343373|> the only prime was 17231
721[23:48.3*] <|343373|> gfi
722[23:48.5*] <NiceLurk> yeah
723[23:4*.26] <|343373|> so we added /17231/ to the directory address on the onion page that had the gif file
724[23:4*.40] <|343373|> and suddenly we see the same page
725[23:50.00] <|343373|> with other 3301.jpg that was abit different in its size
726[23:50.08] <NiceLurk> with jpg intead of gif, and "blackbox"
727[23:50.15] <|343373|> yes
728[23:51.38] <|343373|> then took a while to decode it as i already said
729[23:52.22] <NiceLurk> then you used those manually compiled outguess to get message from that new jpg
730[23:53.0*] <|343373|> yes after decrypting the message section inside the file and setting the outguess offset to the right starting address
731[23:53.18] <NiceLurk> and outguessed mesage contained another string that was jpg of cicada on white background, or what is that picture doing in the middle of your screenshot?
732[23:54.02] <|343373|> there was a string in the middle that was the picture, it was blocking the outguess from giving the whole text
733[23:55.01] <NiceLurk> that picture was blocking outguess? https://i.imgur.com/LzNz6Eq.png
734[23:55.12] <|343373|> the cicada inside the outguess has transparent background while the 3301.jpg has white background
735[23:55.53] <|343373|> so i guess they were making a challenge and a joke about the gif at the same time... :/
736[23:56.35] <|343373|> yes
737[23:56.54] <NiceLurk> jpg doesnt have transparent color
738[23:57.00] <|343373|> i know
739[23:57.26] <|343373|> so there was another pic inside the pic or inside the mp3 that was inside the pic
740[23:57.3*] <|343373|> inside the text
741[23:57.46] <|343373|> that was encrypted
742[23:58.20] <|343373|> and that was encrypted again inside a blackbox that was ignored by both files unless you found it almost manually
743[23:58.23] <NiceLurk> yeah but i dont understand how  that picture was able to be outguessed out somehow and being placed in the middle of outguesses output
744[23:58.47] <|343373|> that pic was blocking, the outguess crashed everytime it tried to continue the not finished outguess
745[23:5*.46] <|343373|> its like heres an outguess, now semi fuse it with a hexsring of a pic and try to outguess it... you dont know where to cut it, what part of the hex strong to remove
746[00:00.22] <|343373|> the only way is to allow the pic to display to let the rest of the outguess be read in a way
747[00:01.15] <|343373|> so the only was was to allow it to show up and to keep it raw display not outguess the way outguess works
748[00:01.22] <|343373|> only way was*
749[00:02.58] <NiceLurk> so you had message that was outguessed into the picture by cicada, and then they "cut" hex of that jpg with another gif/png since it had transparent background
750[00:03.31] <NiceLurk> so would have to remove it manually or tell outguess to ignore those bytes
751[00:04.0*] <|343373|> im not sure how theyve done it exactly
752[00:04.16] <NiceLurk> but what bothers me is that if you put some string in the middle of jpg file then jpg gets heavily corrupted
753[00:04.2*] <|343373|> we were experimenting and got lucky making it show up
754[00:05.23] <NiceLurk> anyway this super buil of outguess you have detects picture in the middle of the string and renders it somewhere in the message
755[00:05.25] <|343373|> well... tell that to a jpg that has 167 seconds of music inside of it...
756[00:05.3*] <|343373|> that plays when you change the file name into mp3
757[00:05.41] <|343373|> :/
758[00:05.51] <|343373|> while pic looks perfectly fine
759[00:06.16] <NiceLurk> yeah but that is possible since there are indentifying start and ending bits
760[00:06.24] <|343373|> we has to set the offset outself, it didint detect
761[00:06.2*] <|343373|> didnt*
762[00:06.50] <|343373|> it just read/'displayed' the whole area
763[00:07.33] <NiceLurk> .jpg and picture viewer starts looking for jpg start bytes, while if you put .mp3 mediaplayer starts reading at ID3 tag 
764[00:08.13] <NiceLurk> but that only works if you dont cut the file between starting and ending bits of certain format
765[00:08.14] <|343373|> welp
766[00:08.56] <NiceLurk> anyways that message, when you removed that png/gif was validated with legit PGP?
767[00:0*.24] <NiceLurk> and if yes why didnt you show that to brother when you posted that in channel?
768[00:10.03] <NiceLurk> legit PGP and all solvers would instantly believe you whatever you would said :-)
769[00:10.18] <|343373|> yes, we had to write it all down though there were few random alt 255 in there that looked like space, which was hell, because we couldnt copy paste from taht screen
770[00:11.10] <|343373|> because the rule was to not show the lower part of the message
771[00:11.15] <NiceLurk> since we were warned multiple times to beware of false paths, all that solvers have trust on is PGP
772[00:11.20] <|343373|> there was something else there
773[00:11.2*] <NiceLurk> oh, cicada doesnt want to be verified
774[00:12.00] <NiceLurk> something else?
775[00:12.24] <NiceLurk> looks like PGP signature made with Perl to me, based on header
776[00:12.34] <|343373|> under the RSA
777[00:13.4*] <NiceLurk> but if it was under RSA it wasnt signed, so you would be able to cut it away and post only part that was signed
778[00:13.58] <|343373|> there was something under the RSA that was stated to not show(in the rules)
779[00:14.57] <|343373|> there was though
780[00:15.01] <NiceLurk> yeah you can cut that away and message  on top of RSA would still validate
781[00:15.11] <|343373|> under it
782[00:15.17] <|343373|> it was part of the pgp
783[00:16.27] <NiceLurk> you cant add things in PGP signature and keep it working
784[00:16.38] <|343373|> K ill check tomorrow it can be verified without that part
785[00:16.43] <|343373|> if it*
786[00:18.08] <|343373|> if it can then ill have a 100% proof screenshot to show in brotherBoxs face.. lol
787[00:18.51] <NiceLurk> verified mesage is on top of ==========then you have PGP version then signature (containing public key ID, date, checksum...) and then another line of ============== 
788[00:21.06] <NiceLurk> uh i see now
789[00:21.12] <NiceLurk> now i derped
790[00:21.27] <|343373|> ....
791[00:21.3*] <NiceLurk> its not signature  but another encrypted message
792[00:21.51] <|343373|> yeah
793[00:22.01] <NiceLurk> -----BEGIN COMPRESSED RSA ENCRYPTED MESSAGE-----   !=  
794[00:22.01] <NiceLurk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
795[00:22.34] <NiceLurk> you cant validate signature without exposing RSA ENCRYPTED MESSAGE
796[00:22.40] <|343373|> i know
797[00:22.41] <|343373|> ....
798[00:22.56] <|343373|> :/
799[00:23.02] <NiceLurk> it was similar format than this in 2012
800[00:23.03] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/What_Happened_Part_2_%282012%2*
801[00:23.20] <|343373|> theres something else under the RSA though
802[00:23.23] <NiceLurk> but did you decrypt it?
803[00:23.32] <|343373|> same key
804[00:24.46] <NiceLurk> same as what? same as used in puzzle in 2012 or in puzzle in 2014? or your public key?
805[00:26.34] <NiceLurk> also those spaces/alt 255 you mentioned that were in message, they are put there intentionally, cicada is doind this all the time, look at them in latest messages
806[00:27.06] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/What_Happened_Liber_Primus_%28Post_2014%2*#.22message.txt.asc.22_.28Spaces_Replaced_and_Counted.2*:
807[00:27.1*] <NiceLurk> its always prime number of spaces
808[00:27.54] <|343373|> 167 and 761 cookies
809[00:28.3*] <NiceLurk> yeah i rememer them, they were on test page in 2013 iirc
810[00:28.56] <NiceLurk> whats about them?
811[00:28.56] <|343373|> yeah, but we couldnt copy paste from that thing... so we had to figureout where they were
812[00:28.58] <|343373|> .....
813[00:2*.18] <|343373|> do you know what those cookies for?
814[00:2*.50] <NiceLurk> i dont know the details anymore, but i think we never figured out what they were for
815[00:30.00] <NiceLurk> they werent identifying cookies though
816[00:30.48] <NiceLurk>     167=6*41f707ff3*d25*ff71657a7*cb6b54c184d2f045581010*c1a*60860bde0e6;
817[00:30.48] <NiceLurk>     761=7bc1e7805ccfa518*20f0d*4fc4e8f7dbd83287a03b337b8*10*cd2287befae5; 
818[00:30.55] <NiceLurk> found them in wikia
819[00:30.58] <NiceLurk> we all got the same
820[00:31.43] <|343373|> they are the RSA key for that msg in a way apparently
821[00:31.57] <|343373|> it was abit tricky
822[00:32.58] <NiceLurk> did you figure out what were 3 256 char hex strings for
823[00:34.06] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/Loose_ends#Open_Lead_1
824[00:34.07] <|343373|> the LP ones?
825[00:34.14] <NiceLurk> these strings
826[00:34.21] <NiceLurk> not LP
827[00:34.2*] <|343373|> OHH those
828[00:34.44] <NiceLurk> those strings were slowlly adding up on onions before they displayed LP jpgs
829[00:37.18] <|343373|> Cant tell you about that sorry, its only for those who finished 2012 in time
830[00:40.57] <NiceLurk> and you solved it for yourself?
831[00:41.12] <NiceLurk> anyways
832[00:41.15] <|343373|> as in?
833[00:41.5*] <NiceLurk> i mean you figured out what 256 strings are for by yourself, or did you get instructions from cicada conecction from 2012 how to use them
834[00:42.36] <NiceLurk> although you said your 2012 and 2013 connection is same onion link
835[00:42.40] <|343373|> there were instructions on how to use them
836[00:42.58] <NiceLurk> ok plausable
837[00:43.0*] <NiceLurk> i was wanting to ask another thing
838[00:43.3*] <NiceLurk> you mentioned briefly earlier that parable is somehow important along with 761 and 167 to solve LP pages
839[00:43.40] <|343373|> yes I was skeptical about the links there so i ended up solving that, then page went blank again till the whole LP appeared there lated
840[00:45.01] <|343373|> 167 761 16, 7, 61, 7/7 and the axes play a huge role at some point
841[00:45.17] <|343373|> 1033 and 3301 are important too
842[00:45.22] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/Instar_emergence_%28mp3_and_hidden_poem%2*#Meaning_of_Parable_1.2C5*5.2C277.2C641
843[00:45.23] <|343373|> btw if you havent noiced
844[00:45.27] <|343373|> 33 01
845[00:45.3*] <|343373|> noticed*
846[00:46.05] <NiceLurk> i was asking about thast "parable# number 125**1031*1226 = 1,5*5,277,641
847[00:46.35] <NiceLurk> also what i should notice in 33 01?
848[00:46.38] <|343373|> oh sorry i missed that part
849[00:46.40] <|343373|> uhh
850[00:47.3*] <|343373|> the way you count to find the parable, partly related to magic squares too
851[00:48.15] <NiceLurk> >partly
852[00:48.25] <|343373|> party.
853[00:48.2*] <|343373|> partly*
854[00:48.4*] <NiceLurk> so all the lines need to add to certain number also
855[00:4*.02] <|343373|> meaning it plays a role in how to find the pattern
856[00:4*.34] <|343373|> look at it more like a matrix than just lines
857[00:4*.35] <NiceLurk> yeah i guess not every line adds to number from square or even to prime
858[00:4*.52] <NiceLurk> they just cramed as many runes in one line as tey could
859[00:50.54] <NiceLurk> cramped*
860[00:51.02] <|343373|> sometimes the counting does matter
861[00:52.0*] <NiceLurk> also clarify this again, in 2012 you solved the game before whole CAKES group and got onion link that only displayed various messages to whoever visits it
862[00:52.23] <NiceLurk> and you have no idea how many people has access to it
863[00:52.46] <NiceLurk> then in 2013 you  finished and got link to the same onion
864[00:53.18] <|343373|> yes no idea. but i believe there were quite a few considering the person i solved the jpg and few other stuff with was one of them too
865[00:55.02] <NiceLurk> that later went blank and then in 2014 displayed LP in 0-74
866[00:55.12] <|343373|> yes
867[00:55.24] <|343373|> and gone down sometime in 2015
868[00:56.01] <NiceLurk> and now it went back up and it displayed instrutions to post clues that you cant prove are legit
869[00:56.31] <|343373|> no, thats another page, this one is from after LP already
870[00:57.22] <NiceLurk> aha in LP there is new onion
871[00:57.41] <|343373|> I told you that in the beginning when I was explaining
872[00:57.43] <|343373|> o.o
873[00:58.11] <NiceLurk> but what was happening on old one before it went down in 2012 and 2013
874[00:58.43] <NiceLurk> did you gont information that CAKES group was for people who came too late on that onion?
875[00:5*.11] <NiceLurk> or did you have two way communication channel with 3301 back then?
876[00:5*.35] <|343373|> the page from 2012-2013 gave full LP in 2014 then shutdown in 2015. now page from after LP has lots of rules of what to NOT do, and a stupid msg that sums up to something along the words of keep seeking, and giving hints and we will find and contact you
877[01:00.40] <|343373|> which I find as bullshit after being told to wait ever since 2012 and not getting in actual contact this whole time =__="
878[01:01.02] <NiceLurk> i am asking about 2012 and 2013, after CAKES onion went down in 2013 i think almost all of us lost any communication with 3301
879[01:01.14] <|343373|> only close contact I had with them is chating with Rain/Wind
880[01:01.48] <NiceLurk> only marcus as far i know still have some links and got few instructions in 3013 and 2014
881[01:02.41] <NiceLurk> they told us to creat wikipedia page and not much else
882[01:03.11] <|343373|> The board was a decoy to monitor and filter ppl, instruction from 2012-2013 said that since you got to this page do not go to the boards those are a decoy
883[01:03.20] <NiceLurk> and marcus was alowed to participate in 2013 puzzle if  he didnt reveal to solvers that he had contact with 3301
884[01:03.48] <|343373|> where is marcus?
885[01:04.33] <NiceLurk> in solvers but using differnet nick just for fun
886[01:04.42] <NiceLurk> blingbat
887[01:04.42] <|343373|> what nick?
888[01:05.50] <NiceLurk> well he was apparently contacted by another guy from 2012, that claimed that he got task from 3301 to creat "cult" around cicada, but he didnt believe him
889[01:06.33] <NiceLurk> and out of that cult project https://cicada3301.org/ was born
890[01:07.36] <NiceLurk> which is another lame webpage with lots of bald claims but no proof of having any connection with cicada
891[01:0*.01] <NiceLurk> only thing all the messagers that claim to have contact with 3301 have in common is that they cant proof shit, so they get laughed at alot
892[01:0*.08] <|343373|> from what I know, my assumption is,  3301 are trying to build something crazy... (technologically crazy)
893[01:0*.40] <NiceLurk> and then we hve those fake bbc news, and pi.mobi that lots of people believe is legit
894[01:11.30] <|343373|> The thing I explained to you about numbers, it doesnt just apply to the puzzle or number games.. its the patterns nature actually follows.. patterns natural phenomena follow...
895[01:11.30] <NiceLurk> check crazy clues Joel is getting http://www.clevcode.org/cicada-3301/
896[01:13.00] <NiceLurk> before your explanation i never hear of digital root, we never mentioned it on college
897[01:13.51] <NiceLurk> i was thinking about it sort of like about astronomy, didnt know that it has all those dope properties listed in wiki article
898[01:13.52] <|343373|> because traditional mathematics and science see numbers as something that can grow into infinity
899[01:14.10] <|343373|> while in reality its a cycle
900[01:14.5*] <|343373|> base10 can be also written as -4 -3 -2 -1 (*) +1 +2 +3 +4
901[01:16.05] <|343373|>  5  6  7  8 *|0  1  2  3  4
902[01:16.05] <|343373|> -4 -3 -2 -1 (*) +1 +2 +3 +4
903[01:16.27] <|343373|> 0 being nothing
904[01:16.46] <|343373|> * being complete, balanced state
905[01:18.36] <|343373|> -8<(*)>1+, -2<(-3)>4+, -5<(+6)>7+
906[01:20.20] <|343373|> you wont learn it in college because it changes the whole approach to mathematics and science and they wouldnt wasnt that ofcourse, so they dont research it much
907[01:20.32] <|343373|> they just call it math tricks
908[01:21.21] <NiceLurk> -8<(*)>1+, -2<(-3)>4+, -5<(+6)>7+  what are those
909[01:22.5*] <|343373|> while when its applied to electrical engineering or electronics they cant explain why it does so well, but reject it because its not traditional approach and hard to implement into what we have so far
910[01:23.48] <|343373|> in base10, * is the most stable state its more complete and most neutral, it doesnt need anything and it doesnt want anything
911[01:23.5*] <|343373|> it has everything it needs inside it
912[01:24.22] <|343373|> 8 is a - charge force
913[01:25.0*] <|343373|> it has a + and a neutral by lacks stability so it attracts
914[01:27.07] <|343373|> while 1 is the first of the next stable (its not full), it has no stability and needs a - or 2(is a - too) to become a first stable
915[01:27.15] <|343373|> hard to explain sorry =.=
916[01:27.1*] <|343373|> im too tired for this
917[01:28.27] <|343373|> 1 4 7 are positive(+) charge and 6 is a stable with a positive charge
918[01:2*.01] <|343373|> 8 5 2 are negative(-) charge and 3 is a stable with a negative charge
919[01:2*.15] <|343373|> * is completely stable with neutral charge
920[01:2*.48] <|343373|> last 3 messages are the simplified version
921[01:30.08] <|343373|> without going into complicated details
922[01:30.23] <NiceLurk> last 3 messages?
923[01:31.2*] <|343373|> <|343373|> 1 4 7 are positive(+) charge and 6 is a stable with a positive charge
924[01:31.2*] <|343373|> <|343373|> 8 5 2 are negative(-) charge and 3 is a stable with a negative charge
925[01:31.2*] <|343373|> <|343373|> * is completely stable with neutral charge
926[01:31.48] <|343373|> keep all of that to yourself btw kk? :/
927[01:33.02] <|343373|> idk how much of it I can really talk about, theres not much about it in the rules, but probably because they didnt make a puzzle to teach it yet.. idk
928[01:34.24] <NiceLurk> how did you come across that number theory? did you got that from 3301 or were you learning that before by yourself
929[01:34.25] <|343373|> there are only few hints about this part so idk if its about this or if its okay
930[01:35.44] <|343373|> I got to understand it slowly back in 2008-200* because I was curious about the rules of the nature and what kind of patterns nature follows
931[01:38.48] <NiceLurk> isnt everything in nature based on fibonachi sequence and golden ratio?
932[01:3*.00] <|343373|> Later in 2012 on a board I was suprized someone used 3301 which I already knew by then meant 33_01, 7 with 6 and 1 in a prime, so I got curious, and the more I solved the more I noticed that they follow the same approach
933[01:3*.03] <NiceLurk> also i didnt get what you meant by  "cycles"
934[01:3*.20] <|343373|> fibonachi sequence and golden ratio come from those patterns
935[01:40.2*] <NiceLurk>  33_01, 7 with 6 and 1 in a prime  i dont see the connection there either
936[01:41.24] <NiceLurk> 33 is 7 with six  and 01 is in prime?
937[01:42.21] <|343373|> 33 -> 6, 01 -> 1, 3301 is a 7 and and is a perfect prime
938[01:42.27] <|343373|> so I got curious
939[01:43.52] <|343373|> btw totient function is displaying one of the axis patterns.
940[01:44.56] <NiceLurk>  axis patterns
941[01:45.2*] <NiceLurk> you mean that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EulerPhi.svg ?
942[01:46.08] <|343373|> I got curious and the more I solved the more I noticed they follow the same approach... to the point I couldnt deny that they understand how it works and do it on purpose
943[01:46.50] <|343373|> yup that one
944[01:47.14] <|343373|> you need to understand how it really works though
945[01:48.32] <NiceLurk> 3301 in octal is 172* in decimal which is also famous number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/172*_%28number%2*
946[01:4*.35] <|343373|> wanna see something creepy?
947[01:4*.3*] <NiceLurk> i get totient and i got why there is that evident line at primes diagonal, i dont know why there forms other  visible lines below that one
948[01:4*.53] <|343373|> 3301 mod28
949[01:50.42] <NiceLurk> 25?
950[01:51.15] <NiceLurk> 2+5 = 7 ?
951[01:52.32] <|343373|> 3301 is axis of 25 or of 2<---->5 in mod28
952[01:53.08] <|343373|> how they fit it... I ave no idea but they somehow found the most perfect numbers for those things
953[01:54.45] <NiceLurk> why is that spooky?
954[01:54.46] <|343373|> and 3301*25 ... sigh
955[01:56.2*] <|343373|> and if you add the missing * again, it becomes a prime again
956[01:57.08] <|343373|> im rambling at this point sorry
957[01:57.13] <|343373|> really tired xD
958[01:57.43] <|343373|> those things are not impotrant
959[01:57.47] <|343373|> important*
960[01:58.23] <NiceLurk> 3301*25 + * is not prime though
961[01:58.26] <|343373|> just focus on the things I explained earlier and try to find the pattern then use it to decrypt/read the LP
962[01:58.47] <|343373|> add digit *
963[01:58.5*] <|343373|> after the 5
964[02:00.23] <NiceLurk>  82525*
965[02:00.30] <|343373|> prime
966[02:01.17] <NiceLurk> hey tell me what did you mean by cycles
967[02:01.36] <|343373|> each * is a cycle
968[02:01.55] <|343373|> 1 is begining of a new cycle
969[02:01.56] <NiceLurk> first one is from 1-*, second from 20-2*,  third 30-3* and so on
970[02:02.02] <NiceLurk> why isnt first one from 0-*
971[02:02.18] <|343373|> 0 is nothing
972[02:02.35] <|343373|> you have the cycle from before as a counted unit
973[02:02.42] <|343373|> but nothing of the new cycle
974[02:02.58] <NiceLurk> but on second cycle you start with 10-1* not 11-1*, so there is inconsistency
975[02:03.0*] <|343373|> 10 -> 1 of older cycle, 0 of new
976[02:03.43] <|343373|> yes you start with
977[02:03.51] <|343373|> 1 and nothing to 1 and *
978[02:04.23] <|343373|> can you count nothing as something?
979[02:05.07] <NiceLurk> well depends you can start counting with 0 if you want
980[02:05.46] <NiceLurk> if 10 -> 1 of older cycle, 0 of new
981[02:05.57] <NiceLurk> then first cycle is from 1-10
982[02:06.10] <NiceLurk> and then second from 11-20
983[02:06.17] <NiceLurk> third 21-30
984[02:06.1*] <NiceLurk> and so on
985[02:06.20] <|343373|> no
986[02:06.55] <|343373|> 1 of old = * of new you just convert the complete * into a 1
987[02:08.12] <|343373|> ill say this again, we are not counting whole '1's
988[02:08.38] <|343373|> if you count whole '1's then 10 is more than *
989[02:0*.05] <|343373|> because you have '1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'
990[02:10.03] <|343373|> not a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, *, or a 0
991[02:10.23] <NiceLurk> 10 is when first cycle already starts repeating  and it becomes 1 again, then at 11 second cycle starts and goes to 1* 
992[02:12.31] <|343373|> '1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1' = 10, but not what whole "10" is.
993[02:12.31] <|343373|> while 10 = what whole of '1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1'+'1' is
994[02:15.00] <|343373|> theres an equal sign but its not really equal, its equal only in the correct situation. thats why im talking about and why 3301 refering to the nature of numbers. those are always equal fully in any situation, only 7 makes problems but it still follows its own pattern
995[02:18.08] <|343373|> the * of 0* are counted as 1 of the 10
996[02:18.37] <|343373|> so the pattern starts with 1 of the higher cycle and 0 of the lower
997[02:20.13] <|343373|> 1 of the higher and 1 of the lower is same as being "2" in the nature of their existence
998[02:20.36] <|343373|> 1 higher and 2 lower same as having 3 in the nature of it
999[02:20.51] <|343373|> and so on
1000[02:21.01] <NiceLurk> i still dont get is :-/
1001[02:21.17] <NiceLurk> <|343373|> the * of 0* are counted as 1 of the 10
1002[02:21.27] <|343373|> but cycles go from 1 something that exists to * complete existence
1003[02:22.08] <|343373|> each digit has a cycle
1004[02:22.35] <|343373|> you can combine them though, as long as they are connected
1005[02:22.43] <NiceLurk> so first cycle 1 up to *
1006[02:23.08] <|343373|> 0 nothing inside the digit, then 1-* something inside the digit
1007[02:23.10] <|343373|> yes
1008[02:23.45] <NiceLurk> second one cant start with * since is already used so we chiise next one 
1009[02:23.5*] <NiceLurk> so second starts with 10 and foes to 1*
1010[02:25.04] <NiceLurk> or now 10 doesnts count and you start with 11 wich is 4
1011[02:25.10] <|343373|> to 18 because thats a * already too
1012[02:27.31] <|343373|> (0)(18) -> (0)(*)
1013[02:28.52] <|343373|> thats why I said up to * digits because after * digits starts another * digit cycle, which makes it abit confusing if you dont understand it
1014[02:28.53] <NiceLurk> yeah so third one is from 1* (*+1= 1+0=1) to the 27 2+7=*
1015[02:2*.28] <|343373|> 1-*, 10-18, 1*-27, and so on
1016[02:2*.41] <|343373|> total of 11 cycles in 2 digits
1017[02:2*.54] <|343373|> 111 cycles in 3 digits
1018[02:30.07] <|343373|> 1 cycle in 1 digit
1019[02:30.30] <|343373|> 1111 cycles in 4 digits
1020[02:30.40] <NiceLurk> yeah 10th cycle is from 82-*0 and then 11th from *1-**
1021[02:30.50] <|343373|> yes
1022[02:31.22] <NiceLurk> so in 1-** there are 11 equal cycles
1023[02:31.27] <NiceLurk> that makes sense now
1024[02:31.27] <|343373|> yes
1025[02:31.42] <|343373|> sorry too tired to explain properly
1026[02:32.5*] <NiceLurk> me too ill go to sleep now
1027[02:33.08] <NiceLurk> 2:30 PM at my place
1028[02:33.13] <NiceLurk> AM*
1029[02:33.33] <|343373|> kk good night
1030[02:33.4*] <|343373|> ttyl
1031[02:34.48] <|343373|> try to keep this to yourself as much as you can for now
1032[02:35.06] <|343373|> and try to figure out how it works
1033[02:35.43] <|343373|> (especially with the magicsquares and the LP)
1034[23:5*.0*] <|343373|> iIIustrious seems to really hate me.. lol sigh
1035[00:00.14] <Lurker6*> lol yeah i see, i cant push him to unban you again, ask him for yourself
1036[00:00.38] <Lurker6*> they just dont believe you since you didnt provide any verifiable proof
1037[00:00.48] <Lurker6*> wait ill link you the log
1038[00:03.43] <Lurker6*> http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?ee4a2bbb0c2356*2#XxqQB2Nqubt/kaDjvnVs5SdKIEUr/SXmdoJ/Gl*1OJY=
1039[00:04.31] <Lurker6*> i will try to explain your theory to them, although i still dont really coprehend why Dr 7/7 should be Dr 16/7
1040[00:04.4*] <|343373|> dont
1041[00:05.30] <|343373|> Dont explain anything its okay
1042[00:06.17] <Lurker6*> no? ok
1043[00:06.28] <|343373|> me explaining it to you was already pushing he rules
1044[00:06.31] <|343373|> the*
1045[00:06.52] <Lurker6*>  <|343373|> or by understanding that dividing prime 7 by prime 7 cancels the shift by 1 infinity
1046[00:06.52] <Lurker6*>  <|343373|> 16/7 = 6, 7/61 = 1
1047[00:06.5*] <Lurker6*>  î dont get that
1048[00:07.20] <|343373|> 7/61 = 0.**************....
1049[00:07.41] <Lurker6*> 7/61=0,1147540*83606557
1050[00:08.20] <Lurker6*> its not repeating as frations of 7 were, so where do you cut it?
1051[00:08.2*] <|343373|> 0.1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213....
1052[00:08.44] <|343373|> 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213 -> *
1053[00:0*.00] <Lurker6*> oh it is repeating, my calc doesnt have enough decimals
1054[00:0*.36] <|343373|> its repeating after 60 digits
1055[00:13.46] <Lurker6*> but... then it should be Dr 7/61=*    not   7/61 = 1 as you said
1056[00:16.01] <|343373|> infinite * behind a , can be counted as a 1...
1057[00:16.36] <|343373|> we've been through this yesterday when I was explaining cycles
1058[00:17.02] <Lurker6*> oh yes thats true
1059[00:27.27] <Lurker6*> what does that has to do with cycles? we only talked about number of cycles in n-digit number (11 cycles in 2 digit, 111 cycles in 3digit...)
1060[00:2*.5*] <|343373|> 61 is 6 cycles and 7, 60 digits after the , would count as 1 digit in that case
1061[00:31.11] <|343373|> the way cycles work
1062[00:34.31] <|343373|> when a cycle of any kind is complete(base n-1) then you can turn it into another higher cycle
1063[00:35.48] <|343373|> 0.*0000.... is not complete, 0.******.... is complete in relation to fraction.
1064[00:36.50] <|343373|> 0.*0 =/= 1.0, 0.(*) = 1.0
1065[00:37.21] <Lurker6*> yeah i get that
1066[00:44.36] <|343373|> >just read the log... 
1067[00:44.40] <|343373|> sigh =.=
1068[00:44.46] <|343373|> Im done.
1069[00:46.5*] <|343373|> btw last thing, 0.******.... can be counted as both * and a 1
1070[00:48.37] <Lurker6*> yeah i was wondering that
1071[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> i am rechecking everything and noticed some discrepancy
1072[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> 1/7=0,142857 142857 ...
1073[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> Dr 142857 -> *
1074[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> 7/61=0.1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213....
1075[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> Dr 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213 -> *
1076[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> Now for Dr 1/7 you said it is *; but for 7/61 -> 1
1077[00:48.58] <Lurker6*> and they both have "form" digital roots of 0.*****...
1078[00:4*.27] <Lurker6*> so Dr 1/7 can be 1 or * ?
1079[00:4*.45] <Lurker6*> same goes for 7/61
1080[00:50.17] <|343373|> yes.
1081[00:50.58] <|343373|> I limited it just to * earlier so that you notice that its 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2] backwards
1082[00:51.28] <Lurker6*> ok
1083[00:52.21] <Lurker6*> and Dr 7/7 that changes to 16/7 is becasue you have to cycle it once to another cycle so 7 becomes 7+*=16
1084[00:53.3*] <|343373|> no its because you deal with 2 primes of 7
1085[00:54.3*] <|343373|> Btw may I have the updated chat log please?. I want to know what else you told them.
1086[00:58.10] <Lurker6*> yes, not much more http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?2e5de*274df8263b#FRg5F3ZJemX3IAEtvlCbIDJiFv/vbFVPJEuyv4G1mco= 
1087[00:5*.26] <Lurker6*> [23:26:45] <Lurker6*> but i dont know since 1/7 is irrational number, it has unlimited digits so i am not sure if you can just cut repeating part like he did
1088[01:00.30] <|343373|> you understand why now though right?
1089[01:00.44] <|343373|> after i explained about cycles again?
1090[01:01.27] <Lurker6*> so when you have n repeating digits you can cut after the n-th digit, so in 1/7 you have 6 repeating digits and you cut after 6th, in 1/61 you have 60 repeating digits so you sut after 60th
1091[01:02.06] <Lurker6*> so for example 1/57 would start repeating itself after 56-th digit
1092[01:02.15] <|343373|> mod base n-1 will get rid of all the ..*****.....
1093[01:02.30] <|343373|> its just * infinitely in the tail
1094[01:02.51] <|343373|> so you can discard it to find the number that isnt *
1095[01:03.10] <|343373|> (thats only if its infinitely repeating though)
1096[01:03.16] <|343373|> (and only if its dr *)
1097[01:03.26] <|343373|> (in a base10)
1098[01:03.50] <|343373|> no
1099[01:05.57] <|343373|> first of all 57 is a 3. 3 and 6 have their own way of acting, its slightly different
1100[01:06.20] <Lurker6*> no? ok; so it is coincidance that 7 and  61 both starts repeating after 7-1th and 61-1th digit
1101[01:06.36] <|343373|> and 1/57 would be
1102[01:06.45] <Lurker6*> ah it because Dr of is same as Dr of 6
1103[01:06.46] <|343373|> 0.01754385*64*122807 01754385*64*122807 01754385*64*122807
1104[01:07.04] <Lurker6*> ah it because Dr of is same as Dr of 61 *
1105[01:08.53] <|343373|> kind of, im not sure if you got it right, but 7 had its own behavior, its cycles and prime numbers affect it
1106[01:08.56] <Lurker6*> i thought that its universal when digits after , starts repeating
1107[01:0*.56] <Lurker6*> but 43 or 34 since the both Dr to 7 should behave similarly 
1108[01:0*.58] <|343373|> not always, sometimes other numbers' rule comes into play and changes the way the number you are using acts
1109[01:10.31] <Lurker6*> alright so its a bit more complicated as it looks on first sight
1110[01:10.58] <|343373|> 34 and 43 even though they are 7 they have 3 and a 4 in them
1111[01:11.12] <|343373|> also the position plays a role too
1112[01:12.02] <|343373|> which one is the first and which one is the 2nd digit and so on. (digits should be read from right to left when you look at the nature of the numbers)
1113[01:13.30] <Lurker6*> when you said <|343373|> 61 is 6 cycles and 7, 60 digits after the , would count as 1 digit in that case
1114[01:14.45] <Lurker6*> youu mean that there is no coleration betwqeen number of digits after , where it starts repeating AND number of cycles (6 in this  case)
1115[01:15.13] <Lurker6*> it is not 60 digits becasue it is 6th cycle
1116[01:16.53] <|343373|> because its 6th cycle of 7 and ends with a 1 making it 60 digit
1117[01:18.55] <|343373|> kk sec ill make things abit easier for you to understand if youre interested (this part wont play much role in decrypting lp though, just letting you know so dont waste time if youre not interested)
1118[01:1*.44] <Lurker6*> do tell
1119[01:21.22] <Lurker6*> 6th cycle in base 10 is from 45-54, so 61 is 6th cycle and 7; thats what i get
1120[01:21.36] <|343373|> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1/61
1121[01:21.40] <|343373|> for example
1122[01:24.20] <|343373|> but dont pay attention to where the cut the repeating part
1123[01:24.31] <|343373|> just the amount of digits repeating
1124[01:25.4*] <|343373|> also click more digits to find the cut manually (if you deal with huge numbers or with square roots)
1125[01:26.04] <Lurker6*> 0.0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*1?
1126[01:26.41] <|343373|> squareroots follow a pattern tail though. not ****************** tail
1127[01:26.53] <Lurker6*> 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* is the repeating part
1128[01:27.33] <|343373|> 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*
1129[01:27.4*] <Lurker6*> yeah my mistake, its 60 digits
1130[01:2*.05] <Lurker6*> <|343373|> because its 6th cycle of 7 and ends with a 1 making it 60 digit
1131[01:2*.1*] <Lurker6*> ^what did you mean by "it ends with 1"
1132[01:35.05] <Lurker6*> looking at number of repeating digits for 1/n where n=1,2,3....   http://oeis.org/A051626/list
1133[01:35.06] <|343373|> Sorry I dont think Im allowed to explain how to determine the amount of repeating digits in the tail. :/
1134[01:35.28] <Lurker6*> it happens alot that number of repeating digits is n-1
1135[01:36.27] <Lurker6*> 17 1* 23 2* 47 61 ...
1136[01:38.07] <Lurker6*> actuall without ... it ends at 61 o nthat list
1137[01:45.25] <Lurker6*> why would you not be allowed to tel me how to determine number of repeated primes? that is general math problem it has nothing o do with 3301
1138[01:46.01] <Lurker6*> also those numbers with n-1 repeating digits are called Full Reptend Primes
1139[01:46.04] <Lurker6*> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FullReptendPrime.html
1140[01:50.55] <|343373|> no comment
1141[02:00.22] <Lurker6*> ok so you cant explain what is coleration between 61 being cycle of 7 AND ending with 1 AND having 60 digit "tail"
1142[02:00.40] <Lurker6*> or better you arent allowed to
1143[02:05.01] <|343373|> That exact question does play some part in the decryption of a few pages so I cant, sorry. (I cant answer that one directly, I already told you what I can about it, Im pushing the rules but not going over the line)
1144[02:21.47] <Lurker6*> hmm, i am a bit to tired right now but it seems i need to study Full Reptend Primes, Primitive Root, Multiplicative Order, Totient Function and few other things 
1145[02:25.56] <|343373|> you could say they are a requirement. yes.
1146[02:27.47] <Lurker6*> fun fact i just learned 65537 that is used in RSA as e is full reptend prime
1147[02:30.46] <Lurker6*> ah i see becasue it is also fermat prime, and apparently al fermat primes are also full reptend primes
1148[02:31.41] <Lurker6*> wait a minute that doesnt appear to be tru
1149[02:31.44] <Lurker6*> e
1150[02:32.34] <Lurker6*> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FermatPrime.html  >Fermat primes are full reptend primes. 
1151[02:32.51] <Lurker6*> but 3 and 5 are fermat primes but they arent fully reptend primes
1152[02:37.13] <Lurker6*> https://oeis.org/A236184/internal "Being a Fermat prime > 5, 65537 is a full reptend prime." seems that there is condizion > 5, but i cant find any other notation of that on google
1153[02:56.01] <Lurker6*> I am adding mobius function to the list since mobius was mentioned once in magic square
1154[02:56.12] <Lurker6*> going to bed now
1155[02:56.26] <Lurker6*> thx for tutoring
1156[02:57.05] <|343373|> youre welcome, good night and good luck
1157[03:00.33] <Lurker6*> yeah I still dont have any reason to believe you are really as connected to 3301 as you claim to be, but your math seems intriguing to me, so I'll look a bit more into it tomorrow
1158[03:00.47] <Lurker6*> trust but verify :-)
1159[03:01.57] <Lurker6*> btw if you need more logs from solvers i can give them to you, we should actually put public logging bot in that channel, I dont remmeber if we everh had one there
1160[10:0*.18] <|343373|> You can explain about how numbers and their patterns work to sage
1161[10:10.38] <|343373|> Dont just drop the information, explain it slowly and let him figure it out and confirm himself though
1162[21:27.23] <Lurker6*> one question
1163[21:27.4*] <|343373|> ?
1164[21:27.50] <Lurker6*> in base n=10  we use mod n-1=*
1165[21:28.15] <|343373|> gematria primus is 30base
1166[21:28.23] <Lurker6*> and  every cycle goes through all different digits 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 *=0
1167[21:28.24] <|343373|> base30 *
1168[21:28.34] <Lurker6*> yeah thats what i wanted to ask
1169[21:28.34] <|343373|> yes
1170[21:28.38] <|343373|> ^^
1171[21:28.5*] <|343373|> 0 = nothing
1172[21:2*.10] <Lurker6*> you said earlier that i need to use base2*, but thats not correct, i have to se base30 and mod2*
1173[21:2*.34] <Lurker6*> so every cyyle goes through every rune
1174[21:2*.51] <|343373|> yeah that was a tricky hint, i can correct it only if you figure it out and ask about it
1175[21:30.12] <Lurker6*> if we would use base2* mod28 for every cycle we would "shift" for one rune
1176[21:32.04] <|343373|> its abit different, but pretty much (it gets slightly more complicated to you need to understand the patterns in base30 as there are more patterns than in base10. (as base n goes up, amount of axes of patterns goes up too.
1177[21:33.28] <|343373|> (it gets slightly more complicated too*, you need to understand the patterns in base30 as there are more patterns than in base10. (as base number goes up, amount of axes of patterns goes up too.)
1178[21:33.31] <|343373|> **
1179[21:34.43] <|343373|> But gotta use base10 for numbers and base30 for runes.
1180[21:37.35] <|343373|> I hope that answered your question fully :)
1181[21:37.45] <Lurker6*>  yeah I thought so its based on number of different non zero characters, although I still dont know what to do with those cycles then
1182[21:3*.03] <Lurker6*> Ill have one more question later, have some work to do, then I have to test it before I ask you
1183[21:3*.30] <|343373|> Try to find a relation/connection with the magic square(/matrix) and understand what happend in the original 17 pages (a connection to the magicsquare of the 4th page)
1184[21:40.25] <|343373|> Theres a pattern to the changes in encryption in the first 17 pages
1185[21:43.15] <Lurker6*> first i want to become natural with sequences, to visualize  why /7 behave so diferently than *2 *5 *7 /2 /5 /16 /4 patterns
1186[21:43.31] <|343373|> After you find it, use the same approach using the square on the 17th page to find the pattern logic for the first 15 pages of 00-57
1187[21:43.43] <Lurker6*> i sort of understand why *3 *6 and ** have repeating strings in patens
1188[21:43.5*] <Lurker6*> patterns*
1189[21:44.10] <|343373|> :)
1190[01:22.28] <|343373|> Hi
1191[01:32.22] <|343373|> Here is another hint, but I can't hint more than this about it, only allowed to say twice if wrong and confirm that you got it right only if 2nd attempt isnt wrong. (so basically only 2 chances of guessing/confirming)
1192[01:32.22] <|343373|> There is a 3rd type number base in gematria primus.
1193[01:32.22] <|343373|> 1st: base10, 2nd:  base30, 3rd: ?
1194[02:25.47] <Lurker6*> base60 because cuneiform (17 13 55 1)
1195[02:25.47] <Lurker6*>  - it's just 1033; 3301 
1196[02:25.47] <Lurker6*> 17*60+13=1033 
1197[02:25.47] <Lurker6*> 55*60+1=3301 
1198[02:31.21] <|343373|> Wrong.
1199[02:31.31] <|343373|> 1 left. Use it wisely.
1200[03:04.34] <|343373|> >remember what I said the base10 and base30 were for
1201[03:08.30] <Lurker6*> base10 for numbers base30 for runes, what is left is that 3N 3p 2L 36 1b 3v 26 33... string on 3 pages
1202[03:10.26] <|343373|> Dont make your guess yet
1203[03:10.36] <|343373|> reread this "There is a 3rd type number base in gematria primus."
1204[03:12.52] <|343373|> (and remember the answer should be number base, not the mod)
1205[03:21.54] <Lurker6*> that string has 26 lowercase letters + 26 uppercase letter + * digits -> to cycle through all of them we need mod 61 -> so we add 0 and we get base 62
1206[03:23.02] <|343373|> what?
1207[03:23.16] <|343373|> ...............
1208[03:23.46] <|343373|> "a 3rd type number base in gematria primus"
1209[03:23.51] <|343373|> "in gematria primus."
1210[03:24.05] <|343373|> "gematria primus."
1211[03:24.43] <|343373|> Ill count the 2nd attempt as a misunderstanding of the question in the hint.
1212[03:24.5*] <Lurker6*> gematria, not liber primus, i was looking at LP
1213[03:26.20] <|343373|> Think carefully before trying to answer it, you can take your time and answer another day too
1214[21:57.3*] <|343373|> Btw I told you that you should test and verify everything I say, so far it doesnt seem like you really confirmed 7/61.
1215[21:58.31] <|343373|> (just pointing this out to you since I was expecting a question about it by now)
1216[03:30.43] <Lurker6*> you there?
1217[03:30.54] <|343373|> ?
1218[03:31.02] <Lurker6*> i have questions dont worry, i am just a bit bussy
1219[03:31.24] <|343373|> ?
1220[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 1/61=0.0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*
1221[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*...
1222[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*= *
1223[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 2/61=0.032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18 032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*8360655737704*18...
1224[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 032786885245* = 4 
1225[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 3/61=0.04*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*83606557377 04*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*83606557377...
1226[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 04*18032786885245* = 8
1227[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 4/61=0.0655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*836
1228[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 0655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131147540*836
1229[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 0655737704*18032786885245* = 3
1230[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 5/61=0.081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5
1231[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5
1232[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 081*672131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*= 7
1233[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 6/61=0.0*8360655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*67213114754 0*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213114754
1234[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 0*8360655737704*18032786885245* = 2
1235[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 7/61=0.1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*67213 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*67213
1236[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 1147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* = 6
1237[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> 8/61=0.131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*672 131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672
1238[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 131147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* = 1
1239[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> */61=0.147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* 0163*3442622*5081*672131 147540*8360655737704*18032786885245*0163*3442622*5081*672131
1240[03:32.1*] <Lurker6*> Dr 147540*8360655737704*18032786885245* = 5
1241[03:32.44] <|343373|> gj
1242[03:32.45] <Lurker6*> Pattern of /61 is * 4 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 <--same as /7
1243[03:32.45] <Lurker6*> *48372615 [Pattern of /7]
1244[03:33.01] <|343373|> did you understand why?
1245[03:33.54] <Lurker6*> Dr 61 =7, its in 7th cycle
1246[03:34.43] <|343373|> thats not the main reason
1247[03:34.48] <|343373|> Did you understand why?
1248[03:35.31] <Lurker6*> and because both 7 and 61 are Full REptend PRimes
1249[03:36.01] <|343373|> You should try /47
1250[03:36.18] <Lurker6*> i will
1251[03:36.41] <|343373|> It should make things more clear
1252[03:37.05] <Lurker6*> i tried 1/43 since Dr 43=7, but it behaved very differently
1253[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> 1/43=0.023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3... -> repeating after 21 decimals
1254[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> Dr 023255813*534883720*3 = * (and 1?)
1255[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> 2/43=0.046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186... -> repeating after 21 decimals
1256[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> Dr 046511627*06*76744186 = * (and 1?)
1257[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> 3/43=0.06*767441860 46511627*06*767441860 46511627*06*767441860 465... -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43
1258[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> Dr 06*767441860 = 4
1259[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> 4/43=0.0*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*53... -> repeating decimals same as in 1/43
1260[03:37.42] <Lurker6*> Dr 0*3 = 3
1261[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> 5/43=0.11627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*7674418... -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43
1262[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> Dr 11627*06*76744186 = 3
1263[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> 6/43=0.13*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 0232558... -> repeating decimals same as in 1/43
1264[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> Dr 13*534883720*3 = 2 
1265[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> 7/43=0.1627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*7674418... -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43 
1266[03:37.43] <Lurker6*> Dr 1627*06*76744186 = 2
1267[03:37.44] <Lurker6*> 8/43=0.186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06...  -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43
1268[03:37.44] <Lurker6*> Dr 0.186 = 6
1269[03:37.44] <Lurker6*> */43=0.20*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*5... -> repeating decimals same as in 1/43
1270[03:37.44] <Lurker6*> Dr 0.20*3 = 5
1271[03:37.5*] <Lurker6*> So it would be **4332265 [Pattern of /43]
1272[03:38.34] <|343373|> no
1273[03:38.43] <Lurker6*> Its just crazy, since it 1/43 and 2/42 has different repeating digits (after 21th decimal)
1274[03:3*.25] <|343373|> notice how I said /47 not 43
1275[03:3*.45] <Lurker6*> But I thiunk you said that behaving changes becasue its 3 and 4 and they ahve different properties
1276[03:3*.57] <Lurker6*> yeah i know you said 47
1277[03:40.33] <Lurker6*> I tried 43 to see if every cycle of 7 hase same pattern and it doesnt
1278[03:41.03] <|343373|> you cant do 43 atm, but it will be same as /7
1279[03:42.44] <|343373|> first do /47 to understand something.
1280[03:43.02] <Lurker6*> since Dr 7/7 is 6, i thought that 7/43 should be the same, and i got this
1281[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 7/43=0.1627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*7674418... -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43 
1282[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> Dr 1627*06*76744186 = 2
1283[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	second cycle of 7
1284[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	16/43=0.3720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813...  -> repeating decimals same as in 1/43
1285[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	Dr 3720*3 = 6
1286[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	sixth cycle of 7
1287[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	52/43=1.20*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 023255813*5...  -> repeating decimals same as in 1/43
1288[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	Dr 1.20*3 = 6
1289[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	seventh cycle of 7
1290[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	61/43=1.4186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*06*76744186 046511627*0...  -> repeating decimals same as in 2/43 
1291[03:43.14] <Lurker6*> 	Dr 1.4186 = 2
1292[03:43.35] <Lurker6*> with 7/43 16/43 /52/43 and 61/43 we can see that Dr values doesnt stay consistent in each cycle, Dr fluctuates between 6 and 2, depending if it is from odd or even cycle
1293[03:44.07] <Lurker6*> so i guess i am doing truncation wrong
1294[03:44.37] <|343373|> Yes you are doing it wrong ^^ but only because 3 is playing its role there.
1295[03:44.42] <Lurker6*> since i am getting correct value 6 in every other cycle of 7
1296[03:45.12] <Lurker6*> thrn i looke into truncation a bit...
1297[03:45.5*] <Lurker6*> According to wikipedia Universal rules: Dr (a*b) = Dr a * Dr b       and     Dr (a+b) = Dr a + Dr b   
1298[03:46.52] <Lurker6*> it works for *5 /2 *2 /5 *4 /16 *7 /4 
1299[03:47.11] <Lurker6*> but this rule doesnt work for 1/7
1300[03:47.11] <|343373|> wikipedia doesnt have any of the more complex rules
1301[03:47.16] <|343373|> it does
1302[03:47.23] <|343373|> you really should try /47 ^^
1303[03:47.51] <Lurker6*> Dr (3/7) = Dr 3 * Dr 1/7 = 3**=27=* wrong
1304[03:47.51] <Lurker6*> If I go 1 cycle up:
1305[03:47.51] <Lurker6*> Dr (3/7) = Dr (*+3)/7 = Dr 3 * Dr 1/7 =3**=* wrong
1306[03:48.34] <Lurker6*> Then I tried to move to Base7 and Base 14 number system and in those /7 works fine
1307[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Pattern for /7 in base 14
1308[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> values in cycle  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   *   A   B   C   D  14
1309[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> value base 14    0.2 0,4 0,6 0,8 0,A 0,C 1   1,2 1,4 1,6 1,8 1,A 1,C 2
1310[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Dr in base 14    2   4   6   8   A   C   1   3   5   7   *   B   C     
1311[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Pattern for /7 in base 2468AC1357*BC
1312[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Dr A/7 = Dr A * Dr 1/7 = A*2=16=7
1313[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Dr A/7 = Dr 3/7 + Dr 7/7 = 6+1=7
1314[03:48.53] <Lurker6*> Dr A/7 = 2468AC135[7]*BC = 7
1315[03:48.53] <|343373|> Dont use wikipedia, learn the rules to dr yourself.
1316[03:51.53] <Lurker6*> Ill do /47 later, 47 is sixth cycle of two so i would expect came pattern than *5 /2
1317[03:52.25] <|343373|> You will understand /7 when you do it
1318[03:55.07] <|343373|> Also have you checked *1 /1, *8 /8 yet?
1319[04:03.18] <Lurker6*> not yet i will do those too
1320[04:07.54] <Lurker6*> check log from #solvers  http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?f2cfb80bc6a*be5b#lAYdPk+RrKXxDCLaocEeChvCqhfMKddMfO64u5EaGd0=
1321[04:13.13] <|343373|> Dont explain to them. sigh
1322[04:16.43] <Lurker6*> oh when i was thinking about that trunction... since you said that Dr 1/7 can be 0.*** or 1
1323[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> 1. case
1324[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> 1/7=0.142857 142857 142857 142857 ...  Dr 142857 = *
1325[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> Dr 1/7 = 0.* * * * *... = *  (and can also be 1)
1326[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> 2. case
1327[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> what if we divide decimals in different groups
1328[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> 1/7=0.142857 142857 142857 142857 ...
1329[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> 1/7=0.14 285714 285714 285714 285714 ...  Dr 285714 = *
1330[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> Dr 1/7 = 0.14 * * * *... = 0.5 * * * *... = 5
1331[04:16.56] <Lurker6*> what is wrong with second case?
1332[04:18.05] <|343373|> (142857) is a (*) unit in a sense
1333[04:18.1*] <Lurker6*> I guessed that it has to be something with cutting after cyclic numbers only
1334[04:20.12] <Lurker6*> yeah and  285714 is *2  permutation of that unit
1335[04:22.15] <|343373|> 1/7 being 'something' allows you to find the actual (*) unit of the /7(divisor).
1336[04:24.32] <|343373|> (I will use the right words instead of 'something' when you figure out the reason for /7 pattern fully)
1337[04:30.33] * Lurker6* is eager to find out about "something"
1338[04:31.38] <|343373|> btw, if you cut at the 2nd number then you move another infinity unit backwards
1339[04:33.24] <|343373|> 5*4837261 if you cut at 285714
1340[04:37.31] <Lurker6*>  *48372615 if you cut at 142857
1341[04:37.43] <Lurker6*> ^i typed that just to compare patterns
1342[04:38.04] <|343373|> But 285714 can be used due to other rules, its not a random cut.
1343[04:44.20] <|343373|> 72615*483 if you cut at 857142
1344[04:44.45] <|343373|> and so on.
1345[04:44.55] <|343373|> But as I said, thats due to other rules.
1346[04:47.10] <|343373|> Which are related to what you said: "yeah and  285714 is *2  permutation of that unit"
1347[04:48.15] <|343373|> The actual original/true pattern of it is the *1 though.
1348[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> yeah i was looking at cyclic numbers properties
1349[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 1 = 142857
1350[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 2 = 285714
1351[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 3 = 428571
1352[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 4 = 571428
1353[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 5 = 714285
1354[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 6 = 857142 
1355[04:51.55] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 7 = ******
1356[04:51.56] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 8 = 1 142856
1357[04:51.56] <Lurker6*> 142857 × * = 1 285713
1358[04:51.56] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 10 = 1 428570
1359[04:51.56] <Lurker6*> 142857 × 11 = 1 571427
1360[04:51.56] <Lurker6*> interesting Dr stays the same, after *7 last digit is reduced by one and that one is added to the front
1361[04:53.04] <|343373|> Because youre dealing with *
1362[04:53.22] <|343373|> **any number = *
1363[04:55.10] <|343373|> * 8 and * mess with the pattern though
1364[04:56.34] <|343373|> once you add number from behind the , you take that number away from infinity *
1365[04:56.58] <|343373|> (or from the pattern)
1366[04:57.58] <|343373|> example, 1= 0,*****...*, 2=1,*****...8, 3=2,***...7 and so on
1367[05:00.57] <|343373|> When you get more in the front you always take away from the end of the infinity of (*)
1368[05:03.33] <|343373|> +n digit in the front = -n compensating digit from the back of the infinity
1369[05:04.16] <Lurker6*> interesting, what you wrote there seems to collide with proof that 0.***..=1  http://www.mathsisfun.com/*recurring.html
1370[05:04.17] <|343373|> > 18 = 17,****...82
1371[05:05.28] <|343373|> oops
1372[05:05.31] <|343373|> i meant
1373[05:05.34] <|343373|> i typo
1374[05:05.4*] <|343373|> nvm i didnt typo
1375[05:06.01] <|343373|> derp :o
1376[05:06.08] <Lurker6*> yeah 18 = 17,****...82 seems ok followingthat logic
1377[05:06.52] <|343373|> but remember its at the very back of infinity, its not part of the infinity the moment you take away that digit
1378[05:07.45] <|343373|> it dedicated n digits for the ones in the front, the 82 are the unused numbers of 18
1379[05:0*.31] <|343373|> Their 0.***... = 1 logic is flawed
1380[05:10.1*] <|343373|> its 1 because it can be when you want to count perfect fullness as a unit.
1381[05:20.32] <Lurker6*> so at  18 = 17,****...82   82 part is unused becasue you added 2 digits in front of decimal, you have to keep same number of digits, if you add two infront you remove two in the back (of infinity)
1382[05:21.38] <|343373|> unused as in
1383[05:21.53] <|343373|> its reserved for the 2 digits infront
1384[05:23.38] <Lurker6*> so 111 = 110.****...888   and becasue 3 digits infront of , last three ...111 digits of infinity are  unused (cut away, truncated)
1385[05:24.02] <|343373|> no
1386[05:24.24] <|343373|> 110.****...88*
1387[05:26.18] <|343373|> its not cut away, but detached from infinity (88* is part of the 110, that is still unused)
1388[05:2*.32] <|343373|> Does it make more sense now?
1389[05:43.24] <|343373|> Also you still havent answered about trying /47, why 7/7=6 and 7/61=6 (why /7 -> *48372615), you did answer it almost correctly earlier though.
1390[05:50.21] <Lurker6*> ill do /47 
1391[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Pattern for 1/47
1392[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 1/47=0.0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106
1393[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr = * 
1394[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 2/47=0.0425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212
1395[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr = 5
1396[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 3/47=0.06382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*
1397[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =1
1398[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 4/47=0.085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*7872340425
1399[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =6
1400[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 5/47=0.106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*7872340425531
1401[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =2
1402[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 6/47=0.12765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*57446808510638
1403[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =7
1404[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 7/47=0.148*36170212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*5744
1405[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =3
1406[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> 8/47=0.170212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*5744680851
1407[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr =8
1408[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> */47=0.1*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617 0212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*57
1409[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Dr=4
1410[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> Again pattern starts repeating after n-1 = 46 digit
1411[10:23.01] <Lurker6*> *51627384 [Pattern of /47]
1412[10:23.54] <Lurker6*> *51627384 [Pattern of /47]         same as 48372615* [*4 and /16] reverse
1413[10:24.24] <Lurker6*> If we  move * to the back 51627384* [/47] is reverse of *48372615 [/7 and /61]
1414[10:26.26] <Lurker6*> so...
1415[10:28.41] <Lurker6*> *48372615 [/7 /61]  is same as 48372615* [*4 AND /16], with * moved to the back
1416[10:35.03] <Lurker6*> and in this pattern consecutive digits are 7 spaces apart   
1417[10:3*.16] <Lurker6*> meaning that if first is *, 1 will be 7 places apart on 8th position, 2 will be on 14 places from * (15th position= 6th position), 3 will be 21 places from * (22th position = 4th position)...
1418[10:48.42] <Lurker6*> so /7 /16 and /61 all have same order because they are all cycles of 7 (1st, 2nd, 7th), digits in pattern will be in same position relative to each other, they will only cycle so that first digit would fit
1419[10:51.47] <Lurker6*> following this rule /2 and /47 are both cycles of 2 (1th and 6th cycle), so they should have pattern in same order, just cycled so that they start with correct value for  1/2 or 1/47
1420[10:53.00] <Lurker6*> 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2]    *51627384 [Pattern of /47]
1421[10:54.44] <Lurker6*> ^ they do! they are just switched for one place meaning that  Dr1/2=Dr2/47 and Dr2/2=Dr3/47 ....
1422[11:00.40] <|343373|> You had almost the right idea when you tried to explain it earlier.. (the "and because")
1423[11:02.38] <|343373|> try /1*, /71 too if you need
1424[11:08.41] <Lurker6*> /1* should be same as /1 but starting with * so *12345678   and  /71 same as /8 starting with * so *87654321
1425[11:0*.23] <|343373|> yes but why?
1426[11:10.31] <Lurker6*> because 1 and 1* are in same position in cycle       and because 8 and 71 are on same position in same cycle
1427[11:10.35] <Lurker6*> in base 10
1428[11:11.32] <Lurker6*> and Dr1=Dr1*=1    and  Dr8=Dr71=8
1429[11:11.46] <|343373|> whats so special about 7, 61, 47, 1*?
1430[11:12.11] <Lurker6*> they have repeating decimals (unit) with value *
1431[11:12.23] <Lurker6*> if you 1/x them
1432[11:12.54] <|343373|> stop, calm down. whats special about 7, 61, 47, 1*?
1433[11:12.57] <Lurker6*> and they are primes
1434[11:13.25] <Lurker6*> but that doesnt work for every prime, for example 2
1435[11:14.30] <|343373|> With what primes does it work "more"?
1436[11:17.26] <|343373|> ... 3 words
1437[11:17.38] <Lurker6*> it works for all primes except 2, and 5
1438[11:17.5*] <Lurker6*> and 2 and 5 are divisors of 10 in base 10
1439[11:1*.03] <Lurker6*> if you 1/x you always get repeating decimals with value *, if x doesnt have common divisors with 10 (in base 10)
1440[11:1*.2*] <|343373|> what are "7, 61, 47, 1*" othe rthan just normal primes
1441[11:20.21] <Lurker6*> full reptend primes
1442[11:21.18] <Lurker6*> so repeating unit is prime-1 digits long
1443[11:21.42] <|343373|> Correct somewhat(but its not the whole reason of course as you should notice with /71, Division by a Full Reptend Prime allows you to find the right truncation point of a Prime Division more easily, for the other primes you need to do something else to find it, Egyptian fraction are the key to it though)
1444[11:22.05] <|343373|> Some Primes follow Prime division and some follow normal division.
1445[11:22.18] <|343373|> But most of Prime divisions are by Full Reptend Primes.
1446[11:22.26] <Lurker6*> at other primes i noticed that unit is often long (prime-1)/2
1447[11:22.43] <|343373|> 167, 761, 1033, 3301 are Full Reptend Emirps.
1448[11:23.1*] <Lurker6*> facepalm, didnt know that :-)
1449[11:23.51] <Lurker6*> havent looked at big enough list of Full Reptend Primes yet
1450[11:26.00] <|343373|> "at other primes i noticed that unit is often long (prime-1)/2" Yes most Half-Full Reptend Primes and Full Reptend Primes result in a Prime Division.
1451[11:28.01] <Lurker6*> and Prime Divison means?
1452[11:2*.50] <|343373|> that it will start with a 0.(*) when 1/n(prime) and follow its pattern moved by 1 infinity
1453[11:33.32] <Lurker6*> I noticed that you get that repeating unit with values 0.****... even with other noprime numbers, like
1454[11:34.21] <Lurker6*> 1/14=0.0714285 714285 7142857   and Dr 714285 = *
1455[11:35.04] <Lurker6*> each time that decimals are repeating, digital root of repeating part is *
1456[11:36.04] <Lurker6*> Do sequensec 1/n 2/n 3/n ... */n for all those numbers start with *?
1457[11:36.08] <|343373|> 14 is 7*2
1458[11:36.36] <Lurker6*> makes sense
1459[11:38.23] <|343373|> So it plays a role in that. But it happens with only primes and multiples of 7
1460[11:41.56] <Lurker6*> So not every sequence if 1/n 2/n 3/n ... */n where 1/n have repeated digits start with *?
1461[11:42.31] <Lurker6*> like example i tried with 1/43, does that starts with *?
1462[11:44.12] <Lurker6*> it must have same order in pattern than /7, but problem is that 1/43 and 2/43 doesnt have same digits in repeating part (unit)
1463[11:44.41] <Lurker6*> so i cant decide which one is nine, first one or second one
1464[11:48.08] <|343373|> is 43 multiple of 7? Full Reptend Prime? Half-Full Reptend Prime? or none of those?.
1465[11:54.03] <Lurker6*> If half full reptend primes definition is that they have (prime-1)/2 long unit; then it is Half-Full Reptend Prime
1466[11:54.26] <Lurker6*> since decimals starts to repeat after 21th digit
1467[12:06.16] <|343373|> 2/43 = same as 1/22 + 1/*46(same as 5/473) -> 7+(1) -> 1/43 -> [1/22 + 1/*46(same as 5/473)]/2 -> 7+(1)/2  (dont count primes when using the egyptian fraction)
1468[12:10.10] <|343373|> 4/43 = same as 1/11 + 1/473 -> 5 + 2 -> 7
1469[12:13.4*] <|343373|> (try to avoid /3 /6 /* for now, they change their pattern according to the situation they are in)
1470[12:14.58] <|343373|> 48?7?????
1471[12:14.58] <|343373|> 48372615* (Normal divison of 7) so far
1472[12:15.10] <|343373|> division*
1473[12:16.28] <Lurker6*> yeah i see, so for primes that are not full reptend primes or half reptend primes you need to do egyptian fraction
1474[12:18.07] <|343373|> its abit tricky because of /3 /6 /* though, just avoid those. you dont really need to learn those for LP, but you can ofcourse try if youre curious.
1475[12:18.30] <|343373|> by those I mean /3, /6 and /*
1476[12:1*.0*] <Lurker6*> for half reptend primes, do you need to do egyptian fraction? since you calculated 4 as first in sequence
1477[12:1*.41] <|343373|> in Egyptain fraction you can use 1/11 + 1/473 -> 1/2 + 1/5 (always normal division type)
1478[12:20.50] <|343373|> when its a complete half reptend prime then no. if its not a complete oen then yes
1479[12:22.14] <Lurker6*> So only for full reptend primes you can be sure they start with )?
1480[12:22.32] <|343373|> 43 is period 21 (*2 =42 not 43) theres no half digit there...
1481[12:23.08] <|343373|> You could make up for the missing digit with some method but its easier not to.
1482[12:25.55] <Lurker6*> But 43 is half full reptend prime right?
1483[12:26.0*] <Lurker6*> Also what is complete/incomplete reptend prime
1484[12:26.32] <|343373|> You can almost safely assume it works for almost all full reptend primes, but its always nice to check before using the full reptend prime.. (there might be an anomaly sometimes due to the numbers in play)
1485[12:26.55] <|343373|> I mean repeat,
1486[12:27.01] <|343373|> 43 is period 21
1487[12:28.00] <|343373|> wait i think im tired derping at this point
1488[12:28.10] <|343373|> 1 sec
1489[12:28.25] <Lurker6*> 21= (43-1)/2     Isnt that definition of Half full reptend prime?
1490[12:28.51] <Lurker6*> So egyptian fraction is safe method that always work?
1491[12:28.56] <|343373|> yeah i derped sorry im too tired I was talking about something else
1492[12:2*.22] <|343373|> 43 is half full reptend prime but it doesnt follow the prime division
1493[12:32.0*] <Lurker6*> You said that prime division means  it will start with a 0.(*) when 1/n(prime) and follow its pattern moved by 1 infinity
1494[12:32.31] <|343373|> yes
1495[12:32.34] <Lurker6*> 1/43=0.023255813*534883720*3 023255813*534883720*3 ....
1496[12:32.50] <Lurker6*> and Dr 023255813*534883720*3 = *
1497[12:32.53] <|343373|> theres a stupid "3" in play there though
1498[12:33.05] <|343373|> it messes up the whole fraction
1499[12:33.08] <Lurker6*> so it starts with 0.(*)***...
1500[12:33.32] <|343373|> no it doesnt, it will keep (*) the whole time
1501[12:33.54] <|343373|> because of that 3
1502[12:35.4*] <Lurker6*> I think i dont gegt what you mean by that (*), do you have any example of prime division?
1503[12:36.44] <|343373|> 1/43, 2/43, 3/43, ...will keep 0.(*) up to 43/43  unless you find what it really is using another method like egyptian fraction
1504[12:38.12] <|343373|> theres no fixed 1/43 pattern that follows through out the whole division to find the correct division pattern
1505[12:38.51] <|343373|> there are methods to find it without egyptian fraction, but they much more vexing than egyptian fraction.
1506[12:40.02] <Lurker6*> yeah i noticed that there is no fixed pattern through whole pattern (ther are two different ones)
1507[12:40.22] <Lurker6*> but i still dont understand what youe mean with 0.(*)
1508[12:41.35] <|343373|> 0.(*) as in 0.***..., 1/43 is a (*) that will keep multiplyying. **any number = *
1509[12:42.58] <|343373|> Prime division doesnt allow that endless multiplication to happen
1510[12:47.45] <|343373|> Actually nevermind egyptian fraction, its not always working for it ...
1511[12:47.53] <|343373|> You dont need this for LP
1512[12:47.55] <Lurker6*> So this 1/x -> Dr 0.****... = * works only if x if Full Reptend Prime, because in further multiplication you can truncate digits to avoid endless multiplying of * 
1513[12:48.31] <|343373|> yes pretty much
1514[12:50.07] <|343373|> LP works mostly with Full Reptend Primes when they appear there... only few that arent, which you can go around quite easily by trying both patterns, dont spread any of this information though
1515[12:52.07] <|343373|> That should be enough for now, try to look for patterns in the magic square and LP encryption/cypher pattern. (also try to find the 3rd number base in Gematria Primus)
1516[12:54.10] <Lurker6*> will do, I have some idea for third base in Gematria Primus, but I am not sure enough yet to burn last try.
1517[12:54.13] <|343373|> "works only if x if Full Reptend Prime" some Half Reptend Primes work too. 71 for example
1518[12:54.13] <Lurker6*> see ya
1519[12:55.50] <|343373|> kk good luck.. Im not leaving I just said it before I forget.. (unless the see ya because youre leaving atm)
1520[13:02.50] <|343373|> Hint: remember what I said/hinted.. 167, 761, 1033, 3301 are "Full Reptend Emirps". It should help you understand what Half Reptend Primes you can 'trust'.
1521[13:06.47] <Lurker6*> 71 is half reptend prime that can be "trusted" and its emirp 17 is also a prime  and full reptend one
1522[13:07.20] <|343373|> -thumbs up-
1523[13:52.21] <|343373|> btw Division by a multiplication of 7 cannot be trusted without testing. 
1524[13:52.22] <|343373|> (It can start with +n OR -n infinity digit shift pattern)
1525[13:58.02] <Lurker6*> by "Division by a multiplication of 7" you mean 1/7...*/7  1/14...*/14   1/21....*/21 ...  ? 
1526[13:5*.12] <|343373|> yup, other than 7(Full Reptend Prime), they cant be trusted blindly.
1527[14:00.12] <|343373|> Full Reptend Prime multiplication of 7 can be trusted.
1528[14:08.27] <|343373|> Theres only one though, unless you count by 7 *1(0n..)
1529[14:10.53] <|343373|> which is same as just 7, because 0 with nothing behind it is nothing, and just a unit(142857) digit shift.
1530[14:35.24] <Lurker6*> When you were showing example of egyptian fraction, what did you mean by:  (dont count primes when using the egyptian fraction)?
1531[1*:18.24] <|343373|> Nevermind just to find the pattern, be it the normal or prime division(since you already know how it changes if its a prime division). in Egyptain fraction you can use for example: 1/11 + 1/473 -> 1/2 + 1/5 (normal division type), time times it will be able to give you the prime division answer but most times it will give you normal division pattern. (doing Egyptain fraction with prime division while 
1532[1*:18.25] <|343373|> solving can be tricky, so just simplyfy it to normal)
1533[1*:20.13] <|343373|> .. division type), sometimes* it will be able ..
1534[1*:23.56] <|343373|> (use it only when you are unable to find the main pattern)
1535[1*:30.02] <|343373|> Btw have they talked about me or about 7/7=6 in solvers since the last log?
1536[1*:40.18] <Lurker6*> nope, nothing important  happened since that log
1537[1*:42.14] <Lurker6*> there is also channel #cicadian, but mostly consist of few people visiting every day asking what cicada is, link to that channel is on cicada3301.org
1538[1*:46.2*] <|343373|> hmm kk, I dont want to pressure you, but Ive decided ill continue giving hints publicly after you or sage find how the first 15pages of 00-57 are encryted so that they have the undeniable proof which they rage about me not giving them... sigh
1539[1*:48.38] <Lurker6*> sounds reasonable, maybe it would be enough if we figure out connection between magic square and decryprion of first 17 pages
1540[1*:50.42] <|343373|> What you know so far should be enough if you find the right approach to it
1541[1*:52.4*] <Lurker6*> i have to play with concepts you showed me a bit, to visualize how it all works and how it can be used in different base systems and mainly how  magic square determines cipher/key on each page
1542[1*:55.31] <|343373|> mhm
1543[1*:38.3*] <Lurker6*> "rain" is online
1544[1*:38.42] <Lurker6*> Information on rain (account rainvt):
1545[1*:38.42] <Lurker6*> Registered : Aug 22 20:40:21 2013 (2y 40w 4d ago)
1546[1*:38.42] <Lurker6*> User reg.  : Apr 24 1*:52:34 2013 (3y 5w 4d ago)
1547[1*:38.42] <Lurker6*> Last addr  : ~Adium@1*2.1*5.83.10
1548[1*:38.42] <Lurker6*> Last seen  : now
1549[1*:48.17] <|343373|> Hopefully its the rain I know
1550[1*:48.3*] <|343373|> How did you find them?
1551[1*:4*.12] <Lurker6*> i just did /msg nickserv info
1552[1*:4*.24] <Lurker6*> i noticed adium joining cicadasolvers
1553[1*:4*.41] <Lurker6*> and learned that adium is irc client, not nick
1554[1*:4*.55] <|343373|> yeah i know now, did he join though?
1555[1*:50.06] <Lurker6*> so many people that keep default username have adium attached at the beginning of hostmask
1556[1*:50.21] <Lurker6*> no rain didnt join solvers
1557[1*:50.28] <|343373|> Im not sure if its the rain I know
1558[1*:50.4*] <Lurker6*> --> Dethmasque (~Adium@2620:15c:6:fd00:d861:c1eb:fe3f:cca2) has joined #cicadasolvers
1559[1*:50.58] <Lurker6*> /query and ask
1560[1*:51.18] <|343373|> I was talking to rain on another place back then so im not sure
1561[1*:51.40] <|343373|> who is Dethmasque btw?
1562[1*:51.44] <Lurker6*> idk
1563[1*:52.20] <|343373|> Ive seen that nickname before.. like in 2014
1564[1*:53.55] <Lurker6*> i dont remeber it, IP shows Mountain View California
1565[20:08.26] <|343373|> Any progress yet btw?
1566[20:0*.20] <Lurker6*>  i was doing some digging, but havent found much
1567[20:0*.26] <|343373|> kk
1568[20:11.23] <Lurker6*> found this japanese proffesor Kardi Teknomo
1569[20:11.25] <Lurker6*> http://people.revoledu.com/kardi/tutorial/DigitSum/Arithmetic.html
1570[20:11.38] <Lurker6*> but he thinks that Dr 1/7 = 4
1571[20:13.42] <|343373|> yeah his table is not complete
1572[20:13.58] <Lurker6*> and then this article form some journal saying that 1/7=*
1573[20:14.16] <Lurker6*> http://imgur.com/h3MVlRR
1574[20:14.50] <Lurker6*> but this one tihinks that  Dr 1/2 and Dr 1/5 = 0
1575[20:14.53] <|343373|> how did you find these things? lol
1576[20:15.1*] <Lurker6*> deep googling :-)
1577[20:16.18] <Lurker6*> this second guy has some sort of proof that all primes larger than 5  have Dr 1/x = *
1578[20:17.1*] <|343373|> the japanese PhD. has a better table to its very incomplete
1579[20:17.3*] <|343373|> but its very*
1580[20:1*.13] <Lurker6*> also here in comments there is one guy explaining how he does Dr of fractions http://blogannath.blogspot.si/200*/0*/vedic-mathematics-lesson-1*-digital.html
1581[20:21.31] <Lurker6*> i have to go now, ill be back later
1582[20:22.04] <|343373|> kk cya
1583[21:03.33] <|343373|> Btw /343 is 7 cubed, not a prime yet it follows a full pattern like a Full Reptend Prime. /373 is a Half Reptend Prime that doesnt follow a full pattern. /343373 is a Quarter Reptend Prime, while /373343 is Full Reptend Prime.
1584[02:25.40] <|343373|> Also '376's pattern starts 5678*1234 in not prime /7 pattern. (5678*1234 as in 5/7, 6/7 .... 3/7, 4/7)
1585[02:54.41] <Lurker6*> *48372615 Pattern of /7  -> 72615*483 is pattern of /376 correct?
1586[02:55.46] <Lurker6*> also you said
1587[02:55.48] <Lurker6*> <|343373|> btw Division by a multiplication of 7 cannot be trusted without testing. 
1588[02:56.06] <|343373|> Yes I have.
1589[02:56.58] <Lurker6*> i tried to figure out /14 pattern, using different techniques and got very different results
1590[02:57.18] <Lurker6*> how do you know wich one is true
1591[02:57.34] <Lurker6*> can you trust that Dr 2/14 = Dr 1/7 = 6
1592[02:57.56] <Lurker6*> or Dr 2/15 = Dr2/Dr14=2/5=4
1593[02:58.42] <Lurker6*> or Dr 2/14* = Dr2/Dr14=2/5=4
1594[02:58.43] <|343373|> basic 1/14 = 7*2468135
1595[02:5*.12] <|343373|> which is /5 shifted by 2 digits
1596[03:00.41] <|343373|> i mean
1597[03:00.45] <Lurker6*> yeah so you can trust that 2/14=1/7=6
1598[03:01.07] <|343373|> no
1599[03:01.35] <Lurker6*> i made mistake
1600[03:01.47] <|343373|> by 1/14 i mean /14 = 7*2468135
1601[03:01.47] <Lurker6*> yeah so you can trust that 2/14=1/7=*
1602[03:01.58] <|343373|> hmm
1603[03:02.05] <|343373|> not always
1604[03:02.38] <Lurker6*> so second number in series is * and you arrange others with /5 order
1605[03:04.52] <|343373|> 1/14 = 0.07 142857142857, 2/14 0. 142857142857, 3/14 0.2 142857142857, 4/14 0.2857 142857142857
1606[03:05.21] <|343373|> Always check when you deal with multiplication of 7
1607[03:05.52] <Lurker6*> yeah makes sense 2/14=1/7 
1608[03:05.56] <|343373|> there are moments where it starts jumping from pattern to pattern due to other numbers being involved
1609[03:06.06] <Lurker6*> what was bothering me was why you cant just  Dr 7/14=1/2=5, i guess reason is that 14 is " Division by a multiplication of 7 cannot be trusted without testing"
1610[03:07.27] <|343373|> Oh thats the egyptian method. you can.
1611[03:07.47] <|343373|> but always check the whole pattern when theres a multiplication of 7 involved.
1612[03:0*.2*] <Lurker6*> but in that case you get different sequence 24681357* which is not the same as previous one  7*2468135
1613[03:10.0*] <|343373|> Thats why never trust it :)
1614[03:10.14] <Lurker6*> so  2/14 0. 142857142857 methoh prevails
1615[03:12.31] <|343373|> there are few methods to use *7
1616[03:12.48] <|343373|> you can shift the digits more easily with it
1617[03:13.04] <|343373|> depends what digit you start counting from
1618[03:16.13] <|343373|> 1/14 0.0714 285714285714 3, 2/14 0.14 285714285714 5, 3/14 0.214 285714 7 -> 357*24681
1619[03:18.41] <|343373|> 1/14 0.0714285714285 *, 0.14285 714285 2, ... -> *24681357
1620[03:1*.00] <Lurker6*> are all those tree correct? or only first one? arent you allowed to start counting only from 142857?
1621[03:1*.13] <|343373|> all of those are correct
1622[03:1*.23] <|343373|> the question is from what digit you start the count
1623[03:1*.48] <|343373|> thats why never trust a n*7
1624[03:20.06] <|343373|> also it doesnt have to stick to just 1 pattern
1625[03:20.31] <Lurker6*> but you cant choose where to start counting at /7, or does /7 also have multiple correct results
1626[03:20.40] <|343373|> with higher numbers it can start moving from pattern to pattern in the middle of the pattern
1627[03:22.17] <|343373|> the important part about it is, /14 gives you the *2 /5 pattern. it doesnt matter what digit it starts from, you can always try all * and find the right one
1628[03:22.51] <Lurker6*> so far i thought that for every digit there is exactly one correct pattern that is universal, ok so higher numbers can have multiple equally correct patterns; noted
1629[03:22.52] <|343373|> some multiples of 7 dont give you just 1 single pattern. that why dont trust it without testing.
1630[03:24.00] <|343373|> 7 breaks that idea. its true for all other numbers other than 3, 6, * and 7
1631[03:26.04] <|343373|> Note how the effect of prime numbers starts only after number 7 (if you exclude 3 which has its own rules)
1632[03:33.17] <Lurker6*> ?
1633[03:33.34] <Lurker6*> how did you determine that /376 starts with 5/7? and does this one also have miltipple solution or only  72615*483 ?
1634[03:33.37] <|343373|> "every digit there is exactly one correct pattern" yes, other than for 3, 6, * and 7. Also notice how in /14 it still give you the /5 pattern. when it comes to a multiple of 7, it doesnt matter what digit the pattern starts with, it still keeps that same pattern going(because the whole unit of 1/7 = * which make the whole patten cyclical)
1635[03:35.18] <|343373|> Dont trust a multiple of 7 to give you just 1 pattern though. (it can betray)
1636[03:35.18] <Lurker6*> yeah i get that its always /5 pattern with /14, but i though that starting point is determined to have exact value, now i understand that starting point can shift while order stays
1637[03:36.10] <Lurker6*> what about /376, i can see that it will have /7 pattern, but how you determined that it will start with 5/7
1638[03:37.37] <|343373|> 1/376 0.002 65*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*361702127 65*57446? first repeating pattern
1639[03:38.18] <Lurker6*> so Dr=2
1640[03:3*.22] <|343373|> 2/376 0.00531*148*361702127 65*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3? (cut tthere because you must stay consistent)
1641[03:40.46] <|343373|> 3/376 0.007*7872340425531*148*361702127 65*574468085106382*7872340?
1642[03:41.15] <Lurker6*> Dr  00531*148*361702127 =6
1643[03:41.42] <Lurker6*> Dr 007*7872340425531*148*361702127 = 1
1644[03:41.4*] <|343373|> 2615*4837
1645[03:42.01] <Lurker6*> so pattern would be 2615*4837 yes
1646[03:42.27] <Lurker6*> *48372615 [Pattern of /7
1647[03:42.45] <|343373|> yup
1648[03:42.51] <Lurker6*> 2 is on 6th place, wouldnt that mean that it starts with 6/7
1649[03:43.26] <|343373|> 2 is 6th on the prime division
1650[03:43.38] <|343373|> is 376 a prime?
1651[03:44.14] <Lurker6*> no
1652[03:44.3*] <|343373|> is 376 a multiple of 7?
1653[03:44.50] <Lurker6*> no
1654[03:45.05] <|343373|> then you use normal pattern for it
1655[03:45.13] <Lurker6*> ah /7 also has non prime division with different starting point?
1656[03:45.33] <Lurker6*> 48372615* that one ?
1657[03:45.44] <|343373|> 1/16
1658[03:47.47] <Lurker6*> i get it now /7 has two patterns prime and non prime
1659[03:48.16] <Lurker6*> in prime one 7/7=6 and in nonprime one 16/16 or 52/52=1
1660[03:48.53] <|343373|> yes
1661[03:4*.11] <|343373|> but still depends on the number you are using....
1662[03:4*.20] <|343373|> so careful, always check
1663[03:4*.43] <Lurker6*> 52 can be suspitious 
1664[03:52.0*] <|343373|> 52 is one of the ones you need to be a bit sneaky about, 2/52 = 1/26
1665[03:52.20] <Lurker6*> 1/52=0.01 *23076 *23076 *23076*23 1, 2/52=0.0 384615 38461538???
1666[03:52.41] <Lurker6*> aha so egyptian fraction
1667[03:52.47] <|343373|> yup
1668[03:53.26] <|343373|> unless youll learn how 3, 6 and * work, then youll be able to solve it without that, but its hard and you can just go aroujd it when it comes to LP
1669[03:53.41] <|343373|> around*
1670[03:54.23] <|343373|> egyptian fraction is the easy way, you just need the main pattern anyway, not the digit that pattern starts at
1671[03:54.32] <Lurker6*> 1/2[6] <-that six is making problems right?
1672[03:55.16] <|343373|> (the part of what digit is first is easy to figure out by testing all * digits at the first)
1673[03:55.5*] <|343373|> pretty much
1674[03:56.00] <|343373|> yes
1675[03:57.41] <Lurker6*> so you have to Dr 1/26= Dr 1/Dr 26= 1/8 = 0.125 = 8 
1676[03:57.57] <|343373|> mhm
1677[03:5*.08] <Lurker6*> so 1/52 cant be 1, only sollution is ?8?????? -> 48372615*
1678[03:5*.31] <|343373|> 4/52 = 1/13 ->1/4
1679[04:00.04] <|343373|> ?8?7????
1680[04:00.41] <Lurker6*> yeah fits the pattern
1681[04:01.12] <|343373|> 8/52 = 2/13 ->2/4
1682[04:01.28] <|343373|> ?8?7??5?
1683[04:01.36] <|343373|> always confirm atleast 3 digits
1684[04:01.52] <|343373|> like that
1685[04:02.14] <Lurker6*> ok, what if two fit and one doesnt, whole solution is wrong?
1686[04:02.31] <|343373|> then check what went wrong
1687[04:04.08] <|343373|> if its while dealing with multiple of 7 then try to understand what patterns it has in it and in what order they are displayed. (the patterns, not digits of a pattern)
1688[04:07.32] <Lurker6*> so like 
1689[04:08.08] <Lurker6*> for example /14 that hase multiple patterns... what order patterns are displayed?
1690[04:08.13] <Lurker6*> has*
1691[04:08.50] <Lurker6*> does one solution has preference against others?
1692[04:11.27] <|343373|> it can be 4581367227631854** for example which is 4 (5) 8 (1) 3 (6) 7 (2) 2 (7) 6 (3) 1 (8) 5 (4) * (*), or 48372615* and 51627384* combined
1693[04:11.46] <|343373|> in any order(starting with any digit, both patterns)
1694[04:12.0*] <|343373|> but staying consistent
1695[04:12.57] <|343373|> the 48372615* doesnt have to start with a 4 and 51627384* doesnt have to start with a 5 in it
1696[04:14.00] <|343373|> That mostly happens at a complex multiple of 7 though
1697[04:16.30] <|343373|> (can be a combination of 3 patterns too -cries- theres something like that at the later part of LP, the struggles... you have no idea...))
1698[04:16.47] <Lurker6*> you combined one pattern of /7 and one of /2
1699[04:17.02] <Lurker6*> becasue 1/7 * 1/2 = 1/14
1700[04:17.13] <Lurker6*> or why?
1701[04:17.37] <|343373|> you cant really see it much in /14 but it will show up at higher multiples of 7
1702[04:18.03] <|343373|> thats why I say dot trust multiples of 7
1703[04:18.06] <|343373|> dont*
1704[04:20.15] <Lurker6*> but if there is /56 you have t ocombine /7 and /8 patterns?
1705[04:20.32] <Lurker6*> and for /112 you need to combine /7 /8 and /2
1706[04:21.5*] <|343373|> no it doesnt show up in 2 digit multiples of 7
1707[04:22.32] <|343373|> and 112 is a simple number
1708[04:23.02] <|343373|> im talking about quite complex ones
1709[04:23.44] <|343373|> I cant give an example here because I dont remember any other than the ones i encoutered in LP atm
1710[04:27.52] <|343373|> also something interesting you might want to know.. about approaches
1711[04:31.07] <|343373|> heres pattern of *7 filled diagonally then filled with *1 pattern horizontally
1712[04:31.17] <|343373|> [012345678*] 7
1713[04:31.18] <|343373|> [678*123456]
1714[04:31.18] <|343373|> [345678*123]
1715[04:31.18] <|343373|> [*12345678*]
1716[04:31.18] <|343373|> [678*123456]
1717[04:31.18] <|343373|> [345678*123]
1718[04:31.20] <|343373|> [*12345678*]
1719[04:31.22] <|343373|> [678*123456]
1720[04:31.24] <|343373|> [345678*123]
1721[04:31.26] <|343373|> [*12345678*]
1722[04:31.42] <|343373|> now look at this
1723[04:33.53] <|343373|> oops sec
1724[04:34.17] <|343373|> k
1725[04:34.32] <|343373|> 1 / 1.618 -> 0.618 046*7156*83*3077873*184177**8 (cut after the 3 digits all the time, because of a rule I cant explain to you)
1726[04:34.5*] <|343373|> 2 / 1.618 -> 1.236 0*3*4313*67861557478368356
1727[04:35.23] <|343373|> 3 / 1.618 -> 1.854 140*1470*517*2336217552533**
1728[04:35.52] <|343373|> 4 / 1.618  2.472 18788627*35723114*56736711**
1729[04:36.14] <|343373|> 5 / 1.618  3.0*023485784*1*6538*36*5*2088***
1730[04:36.28] <|343373|> 3.0*0 23485784*1*6538*36*5*2088***
1731[04:36.50] <|343373|> 6 / 1.618  3.708 28182*41*03584672435105067**
1732[04:37.35] <|343373|> 7 / 1.618  4.326 328800*888751545117428*245*8
1733[04:38.00] <|343373|> 8 / 1.618  4.*44 3757725587144622**13473423*8
1734[04:38.21] <|343373|> ...
1735[04:38.32] <|343373|> 20 / 1.618  12.360 *3*4313*67861557478368356
1736[04:38.53] <|343373|> 21 / 1.618  12.*78 *86402*6662546353522867737*
1737[04:3*.08] <|343373|> suddenly
1738[04:3*.16] <|343373|> 22 / 1.618  13.5*7 03337453646477132262051*15*
1739[04:3*.41] <|343373|> 23 / 1.618  14.215 08034610630407*110012360*3*
1740[04:40.14] <|343373|> 24 / 1.618  14.833 1273176761433868*740420271*
1741[04:40.41] <|343373|> ...
1742[04:41.07] <|343373|> 41 / 1.618  25.33* *2583436341161*283065512*7*
1743[04:41.30] <|343373|> 42 / 1.618  25.*57 *72805*33250*2707045735475*
1744[04:42.01] <|343373|> suddenly
1745[04:42.17] <|343373|> 43 / 1.618  26.576 01*7775030*023485784*1*653*
1746[04:42.3*] <|343373|> 44 / 1.618  27.1*4 06674*072*2*54264524103831*
1747[04:43.00] <|343373|> 45 / 1.618  27.812 1137206427688504326328800**
1748[04:45.38] <|343373|> it keeps repeating the vertical pattern of 63*, 741, 852 for 21 times every 3 digits of the pattern (7 times each digit)
1749[04:50.57] <|343373|> and it will keep following that vertical pattern 
1750[04:55.20] <Lurker6*> interesting but i am too tired for so many decimals right now, ill check that tommorow
1751[04:55.34] <|343373|> that was an addition table of *7 btw (its an addition table regardless of the *7 down left to top right diagonal, its just an addition table that was constructed around that pattern)
1752[04:55.5*] <|343373|> kk
1753[04:56.37] <|343373|> bottom left*
1754[04:58.51] <Lurker6*> i noticed those patterns in tables of that japanese prof. Teknomo
1755[04:5*.44] <Lurker6*> i am curious why all the sudden you can cut after third digit in every multiplication
1756[05:06.32] <|343373|> time to blow your mind i guess
1757[05:1*.40] <|343373|> 1/376 0.002 65* 574 468 085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*57446 
1758[05:1*.41] <|343373|> 2/376 0.005 31* 148 *36 170212765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3 
1759[05:1*.41] <|343373|> 3/376 0.007 *78 723 404 25531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*7872340 
1760[05:1*.41] <|343373|> 4/376 0.010 638 2*7 872 340425531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*787 
1761[05:1*.41] <|343373|> 5/376 0.013 2*7 872 340 425531*148*36170212765*574468085106382*787234 
1762[05:1*.41] <|343373|> 6/376 0.015 *57 446 808 5106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*5744680 
1763[05:1*.43] <|343373|> 7/376 0.018 617 021 276 5*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*361702127 
1764[05:1*.45] <|343373|> 8/376 0.021 276 5*5 744 68085106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*574 
1765[05:1*.4*] <|343373|> */376 0.023 *36 170 212 765*574468085106382*7872340425531*148*3617021 
1766[05:1*.51] <|343373|> */376 0.026 5*5 744 680 85106382*7872340425531*148*36170212765*574468 
1767[05:1*.53] <|343373|> DR: 
1768[05:1*.55] <|343373|> 2 2 7 * 
1769[05:1*.57] <|343373|> 5 4 4 * 
1770[05:1*.5*] <|343373|> 7 6 3 8 
1771[05:20.01] <|343373|> 1 8 * 8 
1772[05:20.03] <|343373|> 4 * 8 7 
1773[05:20.05] <|343373|> 6 3 5 7 
1774[05:20.07] <|343373|> * 5 3 6 
1775[05:20.0*] <|343373|> 3 6 1 6 
1776[05:20.11] <|343373|> 5 * 8 5 
1777[05:20.13] <|343373|> 8 1 6 5 
1778[05:20.15] <|343373|> . . . . 
1779[05:20.1*] <|343373|> . . . . 
1780[05:20.21] <|343373|> . . . . 
1781[05:23.24] <|343373|> I meant
1782[05:23.25] <|343373|> DR: 
1783[05:23.25] <|343373|> 2 2 7 * . . .
1784[05:23.25] <|343373|> 5 4 4 * . . .
1785[05:23.25] <|343373|> 7 6 3 8 . . .
1786[05:23.25] <|343373|> 1 8 * 8 . . .
1787[05:23.26] <|343373|> 4 * 8 7 . . .
1788[05:23.28] <|343373|> 6 3 5 7 . . .
1789[05:23.30] <|343373|> * 5 3 6 . . .
1790[05:23.32] <|343373|> 3 6 1 6 . . .
1791[05:23.34] <|343373|> 5 * 8 5 . . .
1792[05:23.36] <|343373|> 8 1 6 5 . . .
1793[05:23.38] <|343373|> . . . . 
1794[05:23.40] <|343373|> . . . . 
1795[05:23.42] <|343373|> . . . . 
1796[05:27.4*] <|343373|> (when you thought it couldnt get any worse right?)
1797[05:27.58] <|343373|> sigh
1798[05:35.11] <|343373|> ttyl, try to figure out what that hint is about later, dont sit on it, but do keep such approach in mind(for magic square related).
1799[05:52.33] <|343373|> Btw, rules now allow to say that "four" in "Do four unreasonable things each day." is a hint to the right approach (7/7=?)
1800[21:04.26] <|343373|> Dont post the fu-xi logs. just 7/7=? is enough
1801[21:04.28] <|343373|> lol
1802[22:46.28] <|343373|> any news?
1803[22:47.53] <NiceLurk> hi, not much, havent had much time to figure out magic square and encryption on first pages yet
1804[22:48.06] <|343373|> kk
1805[22:48.30] <NiceLurk> also i have no idea what would be third base system on Gematria Primus
1806[22:48.53] <NiceLurk> base 30 for runes, base 10 for primes and ???
1807[22:4*.27] <NiceLurk> middle column is in latin letters but those are just translated runes, you cant count them as seperate base 28 system
1808[22:4*.28] <|343373|> What else is there other than runes and numbers?
1809[22:50.33] <|343373|> Look more carefully how many 'options' for those letters you have there...
1810[22:51.08] <NiceLurk> even when password for cipher is word, it is "spelled" in runes, and runes position in gematria counts as shift value
1811[22:54.35] <|343373|> Sorry.. last hint on this, after that ill start counting it as the last 2nd attempt.. There are more 'letters' than runes.
1812[22:55.25] <|343373|> and that number of letters makes sense when you think about 3301
1813[22:58.34] <NiceLurk> yeah some runes can be different letters C/K S/Z NG/ING and IA/IO, but i understood that this is just depending on interpretation, i mean, you just put in the latin letters that fit the correct grammar
1814[22:5*.46] <NiceLurk> COCK KOKK KOCK COCC are all the same word in runes, arent they?
1815[23:03.15] <NiceLurk> hmmm, you are right, they are same word when we are decrypting them, but they werent same words when cicada was encrypting them
1816[23:03.16] <|343373|> Im just giving you a hint of an approach to one of the encyptions.. Where a part of the text itself is used to decrypt the next few pages...
1817[23:03.47] <|343373|> and its used in another way too
1818[23:05.26] <|343373|> You should be able to guess the 3rd number base pretty easily after the last 'hint' about it
1819[23:06.20] <NiceLurk> when you are doing encryption from latin to runes, C and K arent same letter, so you have 33 different possible inputs that can be projected to 2* possible outputs
1820[23:06.40] <|343373|> number base
1821[23:06.52] <NiceLurk> base would be 34 in that case
1822[23:06.57] <|343373|> correct
1823[23:07.24] <NiceLurk> but what i am vondering is if difference between C and K in latin matters at encryption alghoritm
1824[23:07.48] <|343373|> mostly yes
1825[23:07.51] <NiceLurk> does C get encrypted differently as K, although they are the same rune wehn unencrypted
1826[23:08.21] <NiceLurk> in first 17 pages that didnt matter iirc
1827[23:08.31] <|343373|> yup, but it comes from a different number, like the difference between full reptend prime and normal number
1828[23:08.58] <|343373|> shift by 1
1829[23:14.31] <|343373|> They were sneaky about the 3rd number base on purpose, they didnt have to include NG/ING, IA/IO in the primus liber, you already have the letters for those same with the other 2letter runes..
1830[23:15.45] <|343373|> 3301 -> 33 01 -> 
1831[23:15.45] <|343373|> 33
1832[23:15.45] <|343373|> 01
1833[23:15.45] <|343373|> 34
1834[23:15.50] <|343373|> lol
1835[23:16.47] <|343373|> They are bullying the mind... lol
1836[23:17.03] <NiceLurk> > but it comes from a different number, you are implying that original latin letter of plain text influences encryption right?
1837[23:17.41] <NiceLurk> but in all LP ciphers we have seen so far this didnt happen, key was just applied in succession to appropriate rune
1838[23:17.54] <|343373|> 34 base doesnt have to go from 0-33
1839[23:18.25] <NiceLurk> either it was FIRFUMFENCES repeating or it was prime(n)-1
1840[23:1*.27] <NiceLurk> also i dont understand why Fs from plaintext were not encrypted, and they rest key in vigenre password ciphers
1841[23:1*.45] <|343373|> No it spells Circumferences perfectly
1842[23:20.51] <NiceLurk> no it doesnt, correct key was firfumferefes, i checked that few days ago
1843[23:22.0*] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/CICADA_3301_2014_PUZZLE_FACTS_PART_8#Page_1_.26_2
1844[23:22.14] <|343373|> The Fs are encrypted too they sare shifted by 1 cycle and *2
1845[23:22.14] <NiceLurk> let me check that again
1846[23:22.22] <|343373|> they are*
1847[23:23.41] <|343373|> *2 and 1 cycle typo'd the order
1848[23:38.56] <NiceLurk> key was FIRFUMFERENFE it equals number key 1 11 5 1 2 20 1 1* ...
1849[23:38.56] <NiceLurk> A S/Z W A I: P  U OE...          ciphertext
1850[23:38.56] <NiceLurk> 1  11 5 1 2  20 1 1*...            key
1851[23:38.56] <NiceLurk> A   K  O A N: D  U  R..ing..     plain text
1852[23:38.56] <NiceLurk> check it out http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/1/1a/Testout.jpg
1853[23:44.34] <NiceLurk> and on this screenshot you can see that both Fs in plaintext were also Fs in ciphertext http://prntscr.com/bd73ed
1854[23:44.37] <|343373|> Thats the way you solved the cipher for the 2 pages?.... =__="
1855[23:44.41] <|343373|> sigh
1856[23:45.38] <NiceLurk> we observed same unencrypted Fs in other solved pages, not sure if all of them bust most
1857[23:46.41] <|343373|> Youre supposed to all of solve those using a mathematical pattern
1858[23:47.26] <NiceLurk> yeah that is how we solved two pages with FIRFUMFERENFE and one with DIUINITY
1859[23:48.14] <|343373|> The last page is not encrypted because its a * pattern (end of a pattern)
1860[23:48.26] <NiceLurk> we solved them without any mathematical patterns but as vigenere with password, we were guessing correct passwords from previous mentioned words
1861[23:4*.21] <|343373|> Well good luck with that bruteforce appoach then :/
1862[23:50.13] <NiceLurk> yeah, we kinda figgured out that same approach doesnt work on the rest of LP pages
1863[23:50.30] <|343373|> because the pattern gets way more complicated lol
1864[23:52.47] <|343373|> What 3301 are trying to show you is not how to make an extremely complicated encryption, but that almost any encryption that has a logical pattern to it of any kind(be it a words of a language or repeating logic) it can be broken if you understand the approach.
1865[23:52.56] <|343373|> (well thats part of it...)
1866[23:54.3*] <|343373|> The text you find wont give you anything other than 'ethics' if you dont understand how it really work..
1867[23:55.20] <|343373|> Try to find the pattern of the first 1-17 pages first then start working on the 0-57
1868[23:55.51] <NiceLurk> sure, every encrypted text can be broken if you figure out what mechanism determined key values during encryption
1869[23:55.53] <|343373|> have the magic square with you on the screen while you look for the pattern, itll help
1870[23:56.28] <|343373|> Numbers are perfectly reptend...
1871[23:56.55] <|343373|> kk look at this:
1872[23:57.12] <NiceLurk> yeah i will try to find pattern for first 17 pages, without any bruteforce techniques, just plain shift values
1873[23:58.58] <|343373|> *2: 24681357* -> 2>6<4>1<6>5<8>*<1>4<3>8<5>3<7>7<*>2<2 -> 24681357*
1874[23:58.58] <|343373|> 615*48372 (48372615*)
1875[23:5*.53] <|343373|> thats how reptend numbers and patterns are, no matter what number you use, the digit order will repeat
1876[00:00.48] <|343373|> all you need are the correct number bases and a logic in the end result so that you know you decrypted it right
1877[00:02.07] <|343373|> the rest you work out with the correct approach to it
1878[00:05.28] <|343373|> kk good luck, sorry for losing my cool a little lol
1879[00:07.1*] <NiceLurk> its ok, i am learning totally differnet approach from you
1880[00:0*.12] <NiceLurk> >thats how reptend numbers and patterns are, no matter what number you use, the digit order will repeat
1881[00:0*.25] <|343373|> I said too much...
1882[00:0*.38] <NiceLurk> that is true only for full reptend primes that have Dr 7 right?
1883[00:0*.4*] <|343373|> No comment
1884[00:0*.56] <NiceLurk> 7, 61, and 167
1885[00:10.20] <NiceLurk> 167 doesnt... i have to recheck that
1886[00:12.30] <NiceLurk> but according to my observations so far distance between consecutive numbers in pattern depends on Dr of divisor, at /2 1 and 2 are two places apart, at /5 they are 5 places apart
1887[00:14.53] <NiceLurk> so for 167 they should be 5 places apart, ill try lower reptend prime, /23 should also have /5 pattern order
1888[00:15.05] <NiceLurk> i just dont have time for that right now
1889[00:15.37] <NiceLurk> thxfor now, will send you few PMs later
1890[00:17.01] <|343373|> I said this before already, some primes, mostly full reptend primes begin as +1infinity(or -1shift), full pattern numbers and multiples of 7, allow you to find the right truncation point more easily and dont require going "deeper", others numbers like not full pattern repeating primes, require something else to fully read
1891[00:18.44] <|343373|> and yes you still shift the same amounts *5 and /5 on a >12345678*< cyclical pattern
1892[00:20.42] <|343373|> *5 = *14 = *23 ....., /5 = /14 = /23 ....
1893[00:20.55] <|343373|> but thats pattern-wise, not position on the pattern.
1894[00:21.31] <|343373|> yw
1895[00:2*.28] <NiceLurk> unrelated but since you are not in #cicadsolvers you probbaly missed latest drama around pi.mobi, its all here in this video and in comments if that kind of stuff amuses you
1896[00:2*.2*] <NiceLurk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYrHj7S44QE
1897[00:2*.41] <|343373|>  /5 = shift(-7)
1898[00:30.45] <NiceLurk> i dont get those shifts(-#) yet
1899[00:30.57] <NiceLurk> 24681357* [Pattern of /5]
1900[00:31.56] <NiceLurk> starts with 2, does it mean it is "shift(-7)" becasue *-2=7 ?
1901[00:35.46] <|343373|> 12345678* start at * -7 shift > 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 * (-7 is same as +2)
1902[00:3*.14] <|343373|> 12345678*
1903[00:3*.24] <|343373|> oops it didnt copy
1904[00:3*.34] <|343373|>         v
1905[00:3*.34] <|343373|> 12345678*
1906[00:3*.34] <|343373|>  v------o
1907[00:3*.34] <|343373|> 12345678*
1908[00:3*.36] <|343373|> -o v-----
1909[00:3*.38] <|343373|> 12345678*
1910[00:3*.40] <|343373|> ---o v---
1911[00:3*.42] <|343373|> 12345678*
1912[00:3*.44] <|343373|> -----o v-
1913[00:3*.48] <|343373|> 12345678*
1914[00:51.53] <NiceLurk> hmm
1915[00:53.5*] <|343373|> That website doesnt follow the rules 3301 always do, so im **.*********...% sure its not 3301
1916[00:56.38] <NiceLurk> yeah pi.mobi is probably same guy that did fake bbc, Thomas Schoenberger, owner of Sophia Musik channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnouYyjQ*5buGKVs0-RbdgQ
1917[00:57.50] <|343373|> He is slightly related, he is not part of 3301 though
1918[00:58.18] <|343373|> he was kicked out before he was fully accepted from what I know.. lol
1919[00:58.46] <NiceLurk> and he uses different tricks, he is using pngs with text attached to the end, he never makes his own onions but uses already established uploading services, all his puzzles end with mp3s, and he posts new puzzles every 2 months
1920[01:00.21] <NiceLurk> i dont believe he was ever close to being accepted, he doesnt seem the type to be able to solve cicadas puzzles, but he was abple to get his QR posters posted all around the world from mexico to italy, there was alot of locations
1921[01:01.11] <NiceLurk> anyways he is diversion
1922[01:03.04] <NiceLurk> back to "shift" thingy, i dont get what you mean by v------o, do you just want to point on the starting position and show how pattern continues from start after it reaches the end at *?
1923[01:03.16] <NiceLurk> so  87654321* [Pattern for *8 and /8] is * -1 shift or +8 shift?
1924[01:03.51] <NiceLurk> and 75318642* [Pattern of *7 AND /4] is shift(-2) or Shift(+7)
1925[01:06.01] <|343373|> yup
1926[01:06.44] <|343373|> I said it just for better understanding(point of view on this)
1927[01:08.44] <|343373|> the pattern will stay the same no matter what number you divide by as long as its the same one in mod(same base n-1), the number you start at can be different due to few rules bbut the patten itself as a whole will always be the same
1928[01:10.07] <NiceLurk> yeah i understand that
1929[01:10.08] <|343373|> It might start with another pattern that if you combine the first digits of it, you will get the right one
1930[01:15.13] <|343373|> like combination of the patterns you get from /2 /5, will give you *7 pattern
1931[01:16.06] <|343373|> 51627384*
1932[01:16.06] <|343373|> vvvvvvvvv
1933[01:16.07] <|343373|> 75318642*
1934[01:16.07] <|343373|> ^^^^^^^^^
1935[01:16.07] <|343373|> 24681357*
1936[01:18.27] <|343373|> same with for digits of the tail if you know every how many digits is a pattern digit.
1937[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 1 <-> 8
1938[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 2 <-> 5
1939[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 3 <?> 6
1940[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 4 <-> 7
1941[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 5 <-> 2
1942[01:1*.24] <|343373|> 6 <?> 3
1943[01:1*.26] <|343373|> 7 <-> 4
1944[01:1*.28] <|343373|> 8 <-> 1
1945[01:1*.30] <|343373|> 875 124 -> 142857 (1/7)
1946[01:22.14] <|343373|> Now I gave you all you need for the LP lol
1947[01:28.27] <NiceLurk> this is also new, so [pattern /2] + [pattern /5] = [pattern *7]
1948[01:31.5*] <NiceLurk> i knew so far that pattern of /2 is reversed as pattern of /7 with different shift
1949[01:33.3*] <NiceLurk> btw unrelated but I might found a trace of Wind or Winds imposter, I am not sure yet, Iam zero claims in comments of this video that he has contact with wind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2_tLs*Dw8c
1950[01:34.24] <NiceLurk> in one of his videos he claims he was able to interview the cicada, i guess he was inteviewing same person
1951[01:35.08] <NiceLurk> to figure out if zeros Wind is same as old Wind i have to get contact from him
1952[01:35.18] <|343373|> he claims alot of things
1953[01:35.40] <NiceLurk> that Rain account on freenode was not wind, at least he sadi so when i asked him
1954[01:35.57] <NiceLurk> i have easy test to test winds identity
1955[01:36.33] <NiceLurk> he/she was posting that sweedish military multiplayer flash game in irc channels, only she knows how it was called
1956[01:37.06] <|343373|> I talked to rain on another place, not here, so i wasnt sure if its him
1957[01:37.21] <|343373|> the date of reg made me think it was the same rain
1958[01:38.35] <NiceLurk> then go look for him/her there, was it Rizon IRC btw? in old days she was joining us in smart_people channel on rizon
1959[01:38.37] <|343373|> wind and rain are different ppl who has access to eachothers acc and logs, like me and my friend who uses just fu-xi
1960[01:3*.15] <NiceLurk> in 2012 wind and mahisha (mahi) were using same account(IP)
1961[01:3*.37] <|343373|> mahisha mightve been rain then
1962[01:3*.3*] <|343373|> idk
1963[01:40.15] <|343373|> also you can check if its the same wind by asking them whats 7/7=? (if its wind, then he/she will know the answer and will know how to explain it too)
1964[01:43.34] <NiceLurk> you said you lost contact with wind in 2013, was 7/7=? a thing even before 2014 and Liber Primus?
1965[01:47.38] <|343373|> 7/7=? was in 2013 already O.o (in the end of 2012 too) but mainly in 2013 as a code for 761 and 167 and understanding how numbers work
1966[01:50.03] <NiceLurk> we never figured much more about 167 and 761 than that they are emirps, and all ciphers were solved without this patterns of digital rooots
1967[01:50.44] <|343373|> Now you understand a bit more about those 2 numbers :)
1968[01:51.33] <|343373|> also that number is screaming "7" "6" and "1" at you :)
1969[01:54.26] <|343373|> And the 761.mp3 pretty much gave you the gematria for LP, I dont understand how you guys didnt link it all together... O.o
1970[01:54.56] <NiceLurk> So they mean that  Dr 16/7 =  Dr 7/61    
1971[01:55.48] <NiceLurk> We never considered digital roots, we considered mod 26 at alphabet but we were never adding digits together
1972[01:56.05] <|343373|> that and Full Reptend Primes
1973[01:56.40] <|343373|> and Half Reptend Prime
1974[01:56.50] <|343373|> Emirps
1975[01:57.08] <NiceLurk> we mainly used gematria for counting values of words and sentences, but appart for noticing that most prases count to prime number nothing more was mentioned
1976[01:57.48] <NiceLurk> we knew about emirps, but i havent heard about full reptend primes until you started to talk about pattern of /7
1977[01:57.53] <|343373|> They were hinting to digital root
1978[01:58.35] <|343373|> The way the parable works hints to digital root
1979[02:04.51] <NiceLurk> Line 1 184+72+280+33*+66+72+246 = 125*
1980[02:04.51] <NiceLurk> Line 2 86+186+232+21+55+451          = 1031
1981[02:04.51] <NiceLurk> Line 3 151+72+363+115+215+300      = 122*
1982[02:04.51] <NiceLurk>                  125**1031*1226 = 1,5*5,277,641
1983[02:05.22] <NiceLurk> how does it hint to digital root? except that it came from 761.mp3
1984[02:05.24] <|343373|> adding of units/letters into 1 value
1985[02:06.34] <NiceLurk> yeah, but that is just a property of digital roots Dr A + Dr B = Dr A+B    and Dr A * Dr B = Dr A*B
1986[02:07.08] <NiceLurk> when we figured out that we get parable number by multiplying all three lines we thought that this is all the magic
1987[02:07.53] <|343373|> 1 + 5*5 + 277 + 641 > 15+14 > mod(2*) to the runes.
1988[02:11.08] <|343373|> Did I just blow your mind there?.... O.o
1989[02:11.45] <NiceLurk> not yet, i am still figuring where you got 15 and 14 from
1990[02:12.06] <|343373|> 1 + 5*5 + 277 + 641 = 1514
1991[02:12.38] <NiceLurk> ah ok, this time it is normal addition not digital root
1992[02:13.32] <|343373|> You can figure it out only after you have the gematria primus already though
1993[02:13.53] <NiceLurk> i dont recall if anyone tried replacing , with +
1994[02:16.18] <NiceLurk> and there was 167 also: The length of the clip, 2:47 (2 minutes, 47 seconds), if converted to all seconds equals 167 seconds.
1995[02:16.34] <|343373|> yes
1996[02:16.47] <|343373|> The hints are all over the place..
1997[02:17.28] <|343373|> also if you ask why 15+14 from 1514
1998[02:17.36] <|343373|> look at the Gematria primus.
1999[02:18.01] <|343373|> | 15 | 14 |
2000[02:20.43] <NiceLurk> XP?
2001[02:21.11] <NiceLurk> 47 43 ?
2002[02:22.0*] <|343373|> amount of runes
2003[02:22.10] <|343373|> ...
2004[02:22.35] <NiceLurk> you mean first and second column
2005[02:22.54] <|343373|> well pretty much
2006[02:23.06] <|343373|> it was abit different originally but still was 1514
2007[02:23.21] <|343373|> (i mean in the raw data)
2008[02:24.44] <|343373|> But yeah it goes 15 left and 14 right
2009[02:25.12] <NiceLurk> raw data? as far as i know we got only one version in that png, that we got from hex
2010[02:25.47] <|343373|> But the way they arranged that hex originally
2011[02:26.35] <|343373|> well nvm it though, it doesnt matter since you got or 125**1031*122* > 1 + 5*5 + 277 + 641 > 1514(15left column+14right column) > mod(2*)
2012[02:27.20] <|343373|> got it already*
2013[02:28.22] <|343373|> mod(2*) to the runes = digital root.
2014[02:32.21] <|343373|> And then another hint. which Im not sure myself if it was intentional or not, 1514 mod(2*) = 6
2015[02:36.1*] <|343373|> I gonna be slightly scared(in a way) if it was intentional..
2016[02:40.20] <NiceLurk> i just checked how we got Gematria. It was 761.mp3 XOR Twitter feed. And it was jpg not png, and contained outguessed that  tab/space signed message, that could be falsified and PGP still validates.
2017[02:41.07] <NiceLurk> not sure what you mean by "different originally" and "the way they arranged hex"
2018[02:41.30] <NiceLurk> its just a stream of hex
2019[02:42.46] <|343373|> I know, nvm what I said about that part, it doesnt matter
2020[02:47.05] <NiceLurk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runes#/media/File:Anglosaxonrunes.svg  gematria order is almost the same as one from wiki, so they didnt reinvent their own order
2021[02:47.38] <|343373|> Thats not what I was talking about
2022[02:47.42] <|343373|> Just nvm it
2023[02:4*.33] <NiceLurk> they just had to do some try and error to figure out all those phrases that count to prime numbers and quite alot of try and error to write parable poem that fits all the criteria
2024[02:4*.58] <|343373|> Btw the original amout of runes is the number base for the letters
2025[02:52.14] <|343373|> Also something for you:
2026[02:52.15] <|343373|> Anglo-Saxon runes (5th to 11th centuries)
2027[02:52.15] <|343373|> The futhorc are an extended alphabet, consisting of 2*, and later, even 33 characters. 
2028[02:52.15] <|343373|> It probably was used from the 5th century onward. 
2029[02:52.31] <|343373|> I gtg atm, Ill be back in few hours.
2030[02:53.21] <NiceLurk> we said that number base of the letters is base 34, original number of runes is 35 on link i posted
2031[02:53.23] <NiceLurk> k bye
2032[02:55.12] <|343373|> I wasnt talking about the base of the pic you sent lol
2033[02:55.54] <|343373|> and its not related, what matters in that part is the Also something for you:
2034[02:55.54] <|343373|> Anglo-Saxon runes (5th to 11th centuries)
2035[02:55.54] <|343373|> The futhorc are an extended alphabet, consisting of 2*, and later, even 33 characters. 
2036[02:55.54] <|343373|> It probably was used from the 5th century onward. 
2037[02:56.07] <|343373|> it does play a role in the LP slightly
2038[02:57.25] <NiceLurk> that is exactly where my link of runes was from
2039[02:57.28] <|343373|> They chose 2* and 33 in GP on purpose
2040[02:58.45] <|343373|> I know, I remembered about it when you sent the link.
2041[02:58.50] <|343373|> k I gtg ttyl
2042[02:5*.01] <NiceLurk> enjoy
2043[07:24.03] <|343373|> back
2044[07:24.23] <|343373|> (incase you waited to say something)
2045[08:42.46] <|343373|> wait a sec... Back then when I was first explaining to you...(or few days later) did you tell marcus that "7/7=6"? he said it(and that its not related) in solvers back then and I just assumed you mightve told him so I didnt question it...
2046[08:42.4*] <|343373|> O.o
2047[0*:51.13] <Lurker6*>  i had a feeling that he have heard it before
2048[0*:54.37] <|343373|> But you told him that it equals 6?
2049[0*:56.14] <Lurker6*> yeah i said in cicadasolvers that 7/7 is apprently 6, not to him specifficly since he said it was crap, iirc
2050[0*:57.40] <|343373|> kk
2051[0*:5*.58] <|343373|> "[2016-05-28] <blingbat> 7/7=6 bitches
2052[0*:5*.5*] <|343373|> [2016-05-28] <blingbat> and this has nothing to do with the puzzle" Thinking back on it I got a bit confused if it was from you or if he did know of it being 6 before...
2053[10:04.32] <Lurker6*> i think he knew/heard about that before
2054[10:08.08] <|343373|> To me he said that he didnt, a bit before saying in solvers "7/7=6 bitches" But I havent told him that its 6 O.o I just said that its related to 761
2055[10:16.50] <Lurker6*> then he might have believed me, without me giving any explanation where it came from, or he heard it from me and from sage at the same time so he assumed that it might be correct, he and sage/lardbucket are very close
2056[10:20.42] <|343373|> sage didnt know why it was 6... I almost assumed he knew because of the direction of his logic on it, but then I realized he didnt(and I almost crossed the line cause of it..) understand it til talking you to you about it and about full reptend primes... lol
2057[10:22.25] <|343373|> And I dont think sage talked about it to marcus.. :o
2058[10:24.07] <|343373|> btw "beads" called themselve "wind", is it wind? (they havent replied to me yet)
2059[10:28.20] <Lurker6*> no he was just fooling around, wind nick is registered by doodlenija, since dec 2015, i dont know why
2060[10:2*.0*] <|343373|> kk
2061[11:12.50] <Lurker6*> i checked logs
2062[11:12.52] <Lurker6*> [20:24.02] <lardbucket> How does 7/7=6?
2063[11:12.52] <Lurker6*> [20:24.10] <blingbat> wait
2064[11:12.52] <Lurker6*> [20:24.12] <blingbat> wtf
2065[11:12.52] <Lurker6*> [20:24.17] <blingbat> how did you hear about that?
2066[11:12.52] <Lurker6*> [20:24.34] <lardbucket> Oh, so you do know.
2067[11:13.41] <Lurker6*> they didnt talk about "how did you hear that" and "so you do know" anymore in channel
2068[11:15.26] <Lurker6*> i am pretty sure that marcus knew about 7/7=6 before I did
2069[11:17.52] <Lurker6*> also few days ago sage told me jokingly that he thought he had been trolled by me and marcusw:
2070[11:17.53] <Lurker6*> Because of yours (lurker)study on digital roots and primes on stackexchange (http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1335344/digital-root-of-twin-prime-semiprimes), and (http://www.teachingideas.co.uk/number-patterns/digital-root-patterns) which shows these same groupings easily. "By Mark Warner"¸
2071[11:1*.57] <|343373|> I see...
2072[11:21.30] <Lurker6*> i havent been talking to marcus in PMs at al, so he didnt get that from me
2073[11:24.02] <|343373|> wait.... WTF
2074[11:26.15] <|343373|> The 2nd one is by Mark Warner and the first one is "asked Jun 22 2015 at 1*:33
2075[11:26.16] <|343373|>  
2076[11:26.16] <|343373|> lurker"
2077[11:26.23] <|343373|> WTF
2078[11:26.51] <Lurker6*> coincindence
2079[11:27.07] <|343373|> WTF.... lurker seriously... is there something you arent telling me?... be honest please...
2080[11:27.43] <Lurker6*> if you click onm both users you can see that lurker is not me and mark warner is nor marcus warnner
2081[11:28.23] <|343373|> That coincindence is crazy then though....
2082[11:28.31] <|343373|> o___o
2083[11:28.43] <Lurker6*> yeah, sage was amazed too
2084[11:30.42] <|343373|> ........
2085[11:32.52] <Lurker6*> he said that this coincindences are happening to him alot last few days, and i commented that it might be that he switched to another cycle and things are starting to repeat
2086[11:34.14] <|343373|> o.o
2087[11:34.56] <Lurker6*> we didnt talk about that anymore then, but i have noticed a lot of times that if you look at certain thing deep enough you always find such funny coincindaces, and then your brain start to see connections that arent really there
2088[11:3*.04] <|343373|> But wait... where did marcus know about 7/7=6 is the question now... (if its from 3301 then theres a chance I would be able to get in contact with them through him)
2089[11:3*.27] <|343373|> where did he learn about it*
2090[11:42.16] <Lurker6*> i dont know, where he heard it from, i assumed he heard it from you
2091[11:42.35] <Lurker6*> based on this
2092[11:42.36] <Lurker6*> [23:14:33] <blingbat> 7/7=6 bitches [23:14:38] <blingbat> and this has nothing to do with the puzzle [23:14:47] <brotherBox> blingbat: 7 / 7 = 1 [23:14:51] <brotherBox> lrn2naturalnumbers [23:15:04] <dude12312414> 6=1 [23:15:05] <blingbat> brotherBox: clearly you need to talk to |343373| more
2093[11:43.11] <Lurker6*> i didnt asked him about it though, i can PM him about it if you want
2094[11:45.37] <|343373|> Yeah ask him about where and when he learned about 7/7=6, he might lie(or tell the truth) about it and just say it was from the solvers channel or from me, but try to ask him plainly, nothing related to me nor the channel in your qquestion, try to get it out of him without directing it in my direction to give him an excuse :o
2095[11:4*.17] <Lurker6*> ok, ill tell you when he answers
2096[11:53.05] <|343373|> May 28 12:31:25 <|343373|>	Idk how deep you were in it then but "7/7=?" should be enough proof, wind/rain answered it(what it equals to) and confirmed that the understanding of what it means is enough proof
2097[11:53.05] <|343373|> May 28 12:32:10 <blingbat>	you know wind was a troll right?
2098[11:53.05] <|343373|> May 28 12:40:07 <|343373|>	wind and rain were not trolls, and they suddenly talked to me in private(not at the same time there were years between) and actually answered that question correctly both of them when they seen me type it randomly. (long ago)
2099[11:53.07] <|343373|> May 28 12:40:46 <blingbat>	I've never seen "7/7=?" before
2100[11:53.0*] <|343373|> May 28 12:40:5* <blingbat>	or heard of something like this from anyone
2101[11:53.11] <|343373|> May 28 12:42:46 <|343373|>	its related to 761
2102[11:53.12] <|343373|> May 28 22:26:30 *	Disconnected ()
2103[11:53.54] <|343373|> O____o
2104[11:54.30] <|343373|> That was abit before the log from solvers O___o
2105[11:54.5*] <|343373|> (time zones dif.)
2106[11:55.03] <Lurker6*> strange yes, ill see what he will say
2107[12:00.14] <|343373|> also wait....
2108[12:00.16] <|343373|> about sage...
2109[12:00.56] <|343373|> **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 27 0*:47:11 2016
2110[12:00.57] <|343373|> [lardbucket has address uid165212@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eeetcixttdkfbnoo]
2111[12:00.57] <|343373|> May 27 0*:47:11 <lardbucket>	Hi. This is sage. Do you have a wickr?
2112[12:00.57] <|343373|> May 27 0*:4*:44 <|343373|>	I dont use it, why?
2113[12:00.57] <|343373|> May 27 0*:50:52 <lardbucket>	Likely more secure than irc.
2114[12:00.57] <|343373|> May 27 0*:51:06 <|343373|>	Why do you ask though?
2115[12:00.58] <|343373|> May 27 0*:58:22 <|343373|>	should I get wickr?
2116[12:01.01] <|343373|> May 27 10:00:14 <lardbucket>	That's up to you.
2117[12:01.02] <|343373|> May 27 10:01:12 <|343373|>	why have you asked me though? lol
2118[12:01.04] <|343373|> May 27 10:02:01 <lardbucket>	Would be interesting to compare experiences with 3301.
2119[12:01.08] <|343373|> May 27 10:02:33 <|343373|>	As in?
2120[12:01.10] <|343373|> May 27 10:07:14 <lardbucket>	Eh, I miss chatting with my handler. Don't worry about it.
2121[12:01.12] <|343373|> some talk... then:
2122[12:01.14] <|343373|> May 27 16:57:05 <|343373|>	now srsly
2123[12:01.16] <|343373|> May 27 16:57:22 <|343373|>	why did you ask me if I have wickr?
2124[12:01.18] <|343373|> May 27 16:57:38 <lardbucket>	7 / 7.
2125[12:01.21] <|343373|> May 27 16:57:45 <|343373|>	what about it?
2126[12:01.22] <|343373|> May 27 16:58:57 <lardbucket>	6.
2127[12:01.30] <|343373|> You told him back then, didnt you? ....
2128[12:02.53] <|343373|> Im very confused right now..
2129[12:03.01] <Lurker6*> yeah i told sage
2130[12:03.14] <|343373|> Okay... :o
2131[12:03.40] <|343373|> You told him on 27th yes?
2132[12:04.35] <Lurker6*> yes i think so, i dont have logs of that
2133[12:06.02] <|343373|> Okay... because there were moments of sage and his "coincidences" that got me feeling a bit weird about it o.o
2134[12:07.07] <Lurker6*> i was talking to sage on 27th, since he got me to join wickr, which doesnt keep logs
2135[12:07.4*] <|343373|> kk whats your wickr btw?
2136[12:17.18] <|343373|> o.o
2137[12:17.37] <Lurker6*> i am Lurker6* on wickr
2138[12:17.52] <Lurker6*> i asked sage: 343373 asked me to ask marcus where he found out about 7/7=6, did marcus told you why he knew about that before i (or you) made that public?
2139[12:18.05] <Lurker6*> and he said: No he didnt, I'm not actually sure if he knew.
2140[12:20.53] <|343373|> Then its extremely strange
2141[12:23.16] <Lurker6*> yeah maybe he just reacted with  "<blingbat> wait <blingbat> wtf <blingbat> how did you hear about that?" becasue answer surprized him, not becasue he already heard that before
2142[12:23.40] <|343373|> yeah...
2143[12:23.56] <Lurker6*> i will tell you when he answers on my PM
2144[12:24.02] <Lurker6*> got to go now, ill be back later
2145[12:26.30] <|343373|> kk thanks ttyl
2146[12:30.42] <|343373|> but the most weird part of it is the
2147[12:30.48] <|343373|> May 28 12:40:46 <blingbat>	I've never seen "7/7=?" before
2148[12:30.48] <|343373|> May 28 12:40:5* <blingbat>	or heard of something like this from anyone
2149[12:30.48] <|343373|> May 28 12:42:46 <|343373|>	its related to 761
2150[12:30.50] <|343373|> then
2151[12:33.2*] <|343373|> "I've never seen "7/7=?" before" a bit later says "7/7=6 bitches"
2152[12:4*.01] <|343373|> Oh according to sages logs it seems sage said "how does 7/7=6?" to marcus few hours before marcus said "7/7=6 bitches"
2153[12:54.22] <Lurker6*> yeah i have this in logs 
2154[12:54.23] <Lurker6*> [20:24.02] <lardbucket> How does 7/7=6?
2155[12:54.23] <Lurker6*> [20:24.10] <blingbat> wait
2156[12:54.23] <Lurker6*> [23:14.33] <blingbat> 7/7=6 bitches
2157[12:54.55] <|343373|> yup
2158[12:55.16] <|343373|> oops u didnt notice you replied here and sent you on wickr
2159[13:00.42] <Lurker6*> anyways 7/7=? isnt ever gonna be good enough clue to anybody to solve LP, you told me and sage more about digital roots than we can find anywhere on internet, and we still dont know how to decrypt LP
2160[13:01.36] <|343373|> Its the beginning of the approach
2161[13:02.13] <|343373|> with what you know about it so far you should be able to solve about half of 0-57
2162[13:02.43] <|343373|> just gotta find the pattern in the encryption and the magic square to understand their approach fully
2163[13:03.2*] <|343373|> Btw I said I share the name 'Fu Xi" here with my friend but the wickr one is just mine.. (or atleast for now, unless they get wickr too...)
2164[13:03.34] <Lurker6*> i started to setup the things to figure out first 17 pages, with this new approach, but havent have time to actually figure aout connection to magic square
2165[13:04.17] <|343373|> kk, its quite simple really, just takes a little bit to notice the relation
2166[13:04.46] <Lurker6*> i need to start looking at keys in different ways than "reverse runes" and DIUINITY and FIRFUMFERENFE
2167[13:05.24] <Lurker6*> so i need to go through all encryption and pages once again... which takes some time i dont have atm
2168[13:06.15] <|343373|> yup, also best idea is to start from the parable itself... (thats where the first pattern starts)
2169[13:0*.00] <Lurker6*> parable? parable is not in first 17 pages, parable is on last 0-57 page and it was in mp3 from 2013, in both cases unencrypted
2170[13:0*.23] <|343373|> theres a slight value difference
2171[13:0*.4*] <|343373|> in the parable, which is the begginning of the pattern
2172[13:13.13] <|343373|> after the parable it continues in the first 17 pages
2173[13:13.58] <|343373|> Thats the most I can say about it atm till you find the pattern itself...
2174[13:23.04] <|343373|> Actually the parable might complicate things
2175[13:23.50] <Lurker6*> >slight value difference  I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you are not talking about value difference between parable in 2013 and 2014 since they were identical, apart from different formatting
2176[13:24.45] <|343373|> Just start with the 17 pages. (and remember there could be relation between number bases involved too)
2177[13:25.27] <|343373|> (>not pointing to where)
2178[13:25.4*] <|343373|> (>im still within the lines)
2179[13:27.14] <Lurker6*> i suspect that key is somehow related to "value" (value as in prime number asigned to every rune),but it bothers me since  in "reverse geamtria" key is clearly related to position of rune in gematria, and at DIUINITY and FIRFUMFERENCE key is determined by position of the rune in the text
2180[13:28.04] <Lurker6*> and yeah i figured out that pattern should be in base30, so it would be longer than what we were doing at /7, /2, /8... patterns in base 10
2181[13:2*.13] <|343373|> mostly yes, but you need both patterns to understand something there and the patterns do repeat(in logic) even if they are in different base
2182[13:2*.53] <Lurker6*> althoug in every base system it should start with same value and it should continue with same number of steps between consequtive numbers, so  pattern of /7 should always start with * and and have 1 seven places forward of it then 2 seven more places forward and so on
2183[13:31.28] <|343373|> :)
2184[21:34.44] <Lurker6*> <Lurker6*> hey
2185[21:34.44] <Lurker6*> <Lurker6*> where did you hear about 7/7 being 6, for the first time?
2186[21:34.44] <Lurker6*> <blingbat> the numbers nick randomly pm'd me a few weeks ago
2187[21:34.44] <Lurker6*> <blingbat> he was rping so hard lmao
2188[21:35.04] <Lurker6*> he doesnt even remember where and when he found out about 7/7=6
2189[21:35.18] <Lurker6*> also i was looking at logs and found this:
2190[21:35.24] <Lurker6*> <Dethmasque> did anyone else here get messages from |343373|?
2191[21:35.24] <Lurker6*> <Dethmasque> i have no idea who that is but i was assuming they came from this room
2192[21:35.40] <Lurker6*> where did you found Dethmasque?
2193[21:35.5*] <Lurker6*> brb
2194[05:05.06] <|343373|> idk
2195[05:06.32] <|343373|> I just asked Dethmasque something because I remember him from ~2014
2196[12:15.38] <|343373|> Actually ive rechecked the whole 314 and pi website thing and Im very sure its not 3301, but something about it is still bugging me somehow...
2197[12:32.34] <Lurker6*> "Seek and you will be found" quote?
2198[12:33.10] <|343373|> No, actually the "Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
2199[12:33.25] <Lurker6*> apparently pi.mobi used this quote few hours before cicada used same quote in 2016 twitter message
2200[12:34.14] <Lurker6*> bible references? as far i know cicada doesnt use bible references
2201[12:34.27] <|343373|> 3301 always says "Seek and you will be found" so was just a coincidence
2202[12:36.02] <|343373|> But the "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" is not just from the bible, and it is sightly related to 3301..(to a hint from them) so I feel slightly uneasy about it, the rest feels 100% fake. so I think its fake, but why would they use the "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." quote there...
2203[12:3*.15] <Lurker6*> always? have you seen quote "seek and you will be found" before 2016?
2204[12:3*.44] <|343373|> at the end of the puzzle since 2012 lol
2205[12:41.1*] <|343373|> 2013*
2206[12:41.44] <|343373|> they didnt say it in 2012 yet if I remember correctly
2207[12:42.20] <|343373|> it was at the end of 2013 100% (from what I remember)
2208[12:52.37] <Lurker6*> i dont remeber it, in 2013 game ended with tcp servers, and I didnt get my server pinged, or it wasnt working at the time
2209[13:00.46] <|343373|> I just confirmed that the pi website and 314 are fake 100%, but it was made by someone who probably solved quite a bit of lp though
2210[11:36.10] <|343373|> Theres a count down on the rules page now, idk for what but theres about 21 days left o.o
2211[11:36.28] <|343373|> Just letting you know, I have no idea what that count down is for
2212[13:20.4*] <Lurker6*> i will figure out the magic square connection in 21 days
2213[1*:46.14] <Lurker6*> i started to see some patterns in atbash gematria cipher, shift values for letters from gematria from first F to last EA are: 2* 27 25 23 ... 1  28 26 ... 4 2 
2214[1*:46.25] <Lurker6*> that looks similar to 75318642* [Pattern of *7 AND /4] or 24681357* [Pattern of *2 AND /5] reversed in base 10
2215[1*:47.14] <Lurker6*> so it should be pattern of /14 in base 30, or reverse of pattern /15 in base 30
2216[1*:47.21] <Lurker6*> but then i was looking at Fu-Xi logs where he says that first pattern starts with  1 5 7 4 4 3 4 6 ......
2217[1*:47.33] <Lurker6*> 1 5/ 7 4 4 3 4 6 4 3 4 2 2 4 4 2 * 4 4 4 10 4 3 2 3 4 2 5 3 4 2 2 7 * 5 5 2 5 2 4 7 /3 3 2 6 is the number of runes in each word on page 2
2218[1*:48.15] <Lurker6*> i dont get how thatmatters at encryption of that page at all
2219[02:11.55] <|343373|> never mind the "1 5 7 4 4 3 4 6" keep doing what you were doiung
2220[02:12.02] <|343373|> doing*
2221[02:12.2*] <|343373|> youre getting closer to how it works in LP
2222[02:16.33] <|343373|> (you will understand how it matters after you find the first whole pattern, starting with "1 5 7 4 4 3 4 6 ......" is another first approach if you dont understad how numbers work yet)
2223[02:16.51] <|343373|> understand*
2224[04:53.48] <|343373|> did you get the messages? (just making sure because you havent replied to it)
2225[04:55.15] <Lurker6*> yeah, i will figure out where number of runes in words is important when i will find the full pattern
2226[04:55.33] <Lurker6*> whole pattern*
2227[04:55.35] <|343373|> kk
2228[04:56.06] <Lurker6*> also btw, sage thinks that countdown means End Game.
2229[04:56.2*] <|343373|> I dont think so... Its still early probably
2230[04:57.01] <Lurker6*> maybe we will all "lost the game" on that date
2231[04:57.1*] <Lurker6*> as a meme
2232[05:04.32] <|343373|> count down might be before some major hint or before the next puzzle... idk
2233[06:08.44] <Lurker6*> i can give you logs of #solvers if you want
2234[06:0*.30] <Lurker6*> if you want to get in just create new account, get a claok and join, use different client if one you are using doesnt allow you to join same network twice
2235[06:11.26] <|343373|> ... iIIustrious hates me that much?
2236[06:12.26] <|343373|> Also just tell me was there anything new in solvers the past few days?
2237[06:12.32] <Lurker6*> seems so, he is banning  and kicking people alot, he lost his patience
2238[06:12.33] <|343373|> other than the fake pi
2239[06:13.00] <Lurker6*> not much new, few days ago there was ComplexSystems girl that had few fresh ideas
2240[06:13.13] <|343373|> what ideas?
2241[06:13.2*] <Lurker6*> And then guy Zhvago from same VPN
2242[06:13.50] <Lurker6*> they claimed that they didnt find the puzzle but that puzzle find them
2243[06:14.00] <|343373|> O.o
2244[06:14.10] <Lurker6*> but iiiustrious kicked them before they explained how puzzle found them
2245[06:14.15] <|343373|> LOL
2246[06:14.44] <Lurker6*> complex asked among other ihngs if anybody was vetting the idea that magic squares are the key
2247[06:14.56] <|343373|> oh
2248[06:15.01] <Lurker6*> ill get you logs
2249[06:15.06] <|343373|> kk thanks
2250[06:2*.15] <Lurker6*> [23:28.46] <ComplexSystems> This is not going anywhere. Do we know whats up with this magic square theory? [23:28.5*] <brotherBox> which magic square theory [23:2*.3*] <ComplexSystems> The one about their talking to each other and revealing a patter that decrypts the pages until the sexond magic square
2251[06:2*.34] <Lurker6*> [00:28.13] <ComplexSystems_> I think there is a fair chance that its a book code, wherein the LP itself is the book. The pattern of the book being revealed through the magic squares or combinations of prime sewuences 
2252[06:2*.47] <Lurker6*> http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?b1f3350f8d6d34e1#QvqAA8rD7pu8081eAbBZy2fJQZh6/L+InEG8hwFvDwo=
2253[06:30.00] <|343373|> thanks
2254[06:30.1*] <Lurker6*> i wasnt exactly present while she was there, i noticed later reading backlog that she had some very good ideas
2255[06:31.10] <Lurker6*> later iiustrious registered nick ComplexSystems :-/ so she uses Complexity_ now i think
2256[06:31.47] <Lurker6*> also because she revealed her gender discussion derailed to feminism and escalated quickly 
2257[06:32.15] <Lurker6*> i suggest you disregard that part
2258[06:32.30] <|343373|> wow... iIIustrious is such a bully LOL
2259[06:33.01] <Lurker6*> yeah, he wasnt used to be like that, he is loosing patince and i think he was drung at the time
2260[06:3*.41] <Lurker6*> I know him for long time, from UMBRA arg almost 5 years ago. Looks like he is sick of roleplaying and gamejacking, I dont care about that so much, it doesnt bother me if people are making and following fake puzzles, that is just a part of ARGs. Every inexperienced player wants to become puppetmaster at some point, until he tries it and finds out how hard it is actually to put togather interesting game.
2261[08:11.16] <Lurker6*> http://calypne.boards.net/post/347/thread
2262[23:13.42] <Lurker6*> i unbanned you in #solvers again
2263[23:13.50] <Lurker6*> fu-xi is also unbanned
2264[05:03.45] <|343373|> Thanks, what happened though?
2265[06:16.32] <|343373|> Thanks, what happened though?
2266[12:25.45] <Lurker6*> nothing, i think, i saw brotherbox asking for your unban in channel the other day so i asked someone to op me and unbanned sou
2267[12:28.15] <Lurker6*> i dont know if anything important happened and wasnt reading logs, here is th elog form yesterday http://pastebin.com/4NGZvX0L
2268[10:14.1*] <|343373|> "patterns 24681357* and 615*48372 combined  -> 2>6<4>1<6>5<8>*<1>4<3>8<5>3<7>7<*>2<" that wont make sense to them what so ever since they dont know where both patterns come from.. lol
2269[10:17.07] <Lurker6*> i just wanted to show them how you can combine multiple patterns
2270[10:17.55] <Lurker6*> btw, i am working on magic square->pattern->cipher connection
2271[10:18.11] <Lurker6*> you said that first magic square simplified is:
2272[10:18.2*] <|343373|> just like at first, 2(8)6(1)4(1)6(2)5(4)8(8)*(1)1(5)4(7)3(2)8(4)5(8)3(1)7(5)7(7)*(2)2 -> 8 1 1 2 4 8 1 5 7 2 4 8 1 5 7 2 wont make sense to you
2273[10:20.04] <Lurker6*> yeah it doesnt so far
2274[10:20.18] <Lurker6*> anyways you said that first magic square somplified is:
2275[10:20.20] <Lurker6*> 2 3 8 5 6
2276[10:20.20] <Lurker6*> 6 1 4 5 *
2277[10:20.20] <Lurker6*> 1 2 1 2 1
2278[10:20.20] <Lurker6*> * 5 4 1 5
2279[10:20.20] <Lurker6*> 6 5 8 3 2
2280[10:20.35] <Lurker6*> and then you said me to notice which number is missing
2281[10:21.00] <Lurker6*> i thought that 7 is missing, but thats becasue your  simplified version is not correct
2282[10:21.31] <Lurker6*> it should be 2 3 8 5 7 in first line (and same mirrored in last line)
2283[10:21.43] <Lurker6*> so no digit is missing in simplified version
2284[10:44.47] <|343373|> <|343373|> oh wow... I typo'd LOL
2285[10:44.48] <|343373|> <|343373|> :)
2286[10:44.48] <|343373|> <|343373|> "Test the knowledge. Find your 
2287[10:44.48] <|343373|> <|343373|> truth.", "Question all things. 
2288[10:44.48] <|343373|> <|343373|> Discover truth inside yourself." :) Always verify what I say, dont trust it.
2289[10:44.48] <|343373|> <|343373|> you should question that 6 or 7 :o (or atleast pay more attention to it though)
2290[10:44.50] <|343373|> <|343373|> as well as that "5" at * 5 4 1 5
2291[10:46.56] <NiceLurk> yeah i checked my notes, its * 5 4 1 6
2292[10:48.25] <|343373|> yup its 6, its 366 if i rememember correctly..
2293[10:48.36] <NiceLurk> yeah
2294[10:50.08] <|343373|> with all the numbers there it simplifies the way to find the connection of the patterns and the magic square by a lot...
2295[10:50.38] <|343373|> Sorry for the intentional typos :)
2296[10:52.56] <NiceLurk> i know by now not to trust anyone regarding 3301, i learned to always double check everything by myself, it doesnt even make any difference to me anymore if people are making mistakes in logic, making typos or misleading me intentionally
2297[10:54.51] <|343373|> Thats good :o Follow your truth.
2298[10:56.15] <|343373|> Sorry I cant help much with the magic square at this point as youre very close to the answer already with everything I hinted and explained so far...
2299[10:57.47] <|343373|> It should come to you quite easily now(youll notice it easily) though, since you know that the first magic square has all numbers...
2300[11:01.2*] <NiceLurk> i am going through first pages slowly, trying to look at ciphers more closely than we did before, before we just stopped thinking about ciphers when we found the correct key
2301[11:01.42] <|343373|> Pattern in the magic square that happens in the cipher/encryption
2302[11:02.28] <|343373|> mhm, good luck :)
2303[11:03.31] <NiceLurk> i am having problems with two vigenere ciphers, with keys DIUINITY and FIRFUMFERENFE 
2304[11:05.0*] <NiceLurk> DIUINITY shifts runes for 7 20 2* 20 21 20 14 4  7 20 2* 20 21 ... and this key runs over runes in ciphertext
2305[11:05.51] <NiceLurk> while the 2* 27 25 ... 1 28 26 ...2 key runs over runes in gematria
2306[11:06.51] <NiceLurk> those are two quite different concepts, and i havent yet figured out how to put them in same system
2307[11:10.04] <|343373|> (thats what you have the magic square for)
2308[11:10.23] <|343373|> (no more hints about it)
2309[11:13.55] <NiceLurk> yeah i know it must be something apparent, that will jump at me from the dark when i will look at it for long enough
2310[11:14.32] <|343373|> Try to find the whole first cipher pattern/encription first, then use magic square to make sense of it all
2311[11:15.32] <|343373|> by whole I mean from the first page to the last page of the original 17
2312[11:16.23] <NiceLurk> yeah that about 4 ciphers also counting unciphered runes
2313[11:17.04] <|343373|> find a mathematical logic which connects all 4 and makes sense why they happen in the order that they do.
2314[11:17.41] <|343373|> dont look at the bruteforced way. look for a pattern in the way the letters shift
2315[11:17.43] <NiceLurk> another thing that bother me slightly are pages 1 and 3, Liber Primus and Chapter 1 Intus, pages; but i am just ignoring them 
2316[11:18.36] <|343373|> page number plays some role in the pattern logic
2317[11:21.15] <NiceLurk> yeah what i am doing is looking at each chapter and trying to rewrite it with as many different number strings as possible, sooner or later i will find correct approach
2318[11:21.41] <|343373|> Cover > Liber Primus 0.jpg > A Warning > Chapter 1 Intus > [Some Wisdom] first magic square > [Welcome]
2319[11:24.13] <|343373|> Dont do it machanically though... always look for a logic, dont try to advance too much unless the logic make perfect sense.
2320[11:2*.0*] <NiceLurk> Cover! I forgot about that page
2321[11:3*.58] <|343373|> Do you have the cover page? or do you need it?
2322[11:40.14] <|343373|> I mean cover img
2323[11:40.20] <|343373|> 1033.jpg
2324[11:41.15] <NiceLurk> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/File:1033.jpg
2325[11:43.34] <|343373|> Yup its the original
2326[11:43.41] <NiceLurk> but as far as i remmebr we didnt find much mor ethan outguess with RSA to break in it
2327[11:44.20] <NiceLurk> there were some anomalies near pointing finger, iirc, but nothing conclusive was discovered
2328[11:44.26] <|343373|> well it doesnt have much more to it than a clue to the approach
2329[11:45.55] <NiceLurk> http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/f/f3/MIXXXX1000.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140118134058
2330[11:46.27] <NiceLurk> this is waht we found, and i was never sure if it was mistake done while editing or it was intentional
2331[11:47.17] <NiceLurk> difference between original painting and cover cversion looks like this http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/1/11/15*kitn.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140106234411
2332[11:50.26] <NiceLurk> lol, this is what happens if you look at random things for too long, you start to notice imaginary patterns
2333[11:50.2*] <NiceLurk> http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncovering-cicada/images/1/1*/1033artefacts100pxwidth.jpg/revision/latest?cb=2014011814113*
2334[11:51.15] <NiceLurk> here you can see that that smudge can be roman numerals for 1033 or it can also be very small logo of cicada :-)
2335[11:51.22] <NiceLurk> both
2336[11:51.25] <NiceLurk> so probably nothing
2337[11:54.38] <|343373|> ....
2338[11:54.41] <|343373|> sigh
2339[11:54.48] <|343373|> Do you know what Sierpinski triangle is? lol
2340[11:55.16] <NiceLurk> never heard of it
2341[11:55.31] <|343373|> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle
2342[11:55.44] <NiceLurk> oh yeah, when i saw it, i know it
2343[11:56.35] <NiceLurk> http://www.asawicki.info/files/PascalTriangle_Numbers.png
2344[11:57.03] <|343373|> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle#/media/File:Multigrade_operator_AND.svg
2345[11:57.08] <|343373|> might make some sense
2346[12:03.10] <|343373|> Btw Francisco de Goya image is important... or atleast the numbers in it..
2347[12:06.23] <|343373|> (but its not important atm)
2348[12:07.25] <NiceLurk> numbers are 181 7 15 16 456 351 7 ; *66 1071 626 204 434
2349[12:07.25] <NiceLurk> they adds up to 1033 and 3301
2350[12:08.04] <NiceLurk> werent they first columns of 2 of 3 magic squares that were in mp3
2351[12:10.22] <NiceLurk> yeah, more precisely last column or first one in reverse order
2352[12:10.34] <|343373|> Theres another use for them
2353[12:12.25] <|343373|> as for why I pointed to "Sierpinski triangle", look at the cover, the bottom middle where the finger is touching.
2354[12:16.26] <NiceLurk> yeah there is faint line, dividing triangle in "serpinski" manner
2355[12:18.46] <NiceLurk> thats there in original also, meanning that William Blake knew that Newton new about serpinski triangle
2356[12:18.48] <|343373|> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle#/media/File:Multigrade_operator_AND.svg Helps you tounderstand the idea of how the approach works in a way... its not the approach but it opens your mind to be able to understand something
2357[12:1*.00] <|343373|> mhm
2358[12:24.15] <|343373|> The approach is a secret knowledge passed from ancient times... For example The Freemasons symbol, its a Sierpinski triangle figure too...
2359[12:2*.13] <|343373|> 3301 are using(or trying to teach) that approach for something... (Im not really sure for what my self)
2360[12:30.33] <|343373|> serpinski triangle are only a hint to the approach as they follow the approach and those patterns...
2361[12:30.45] <|343373|> So it should be okay telling you this much :o
2362[12:30.5*] <NiceLurk> you are talking about the square and compasses symbol right, not he pyramid eye?
2363[12:31.01] <NiceLurk> http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/images/SquareandCompassesEmbroideredGraphic1.gif
2364[12:33.30] <|343373|> yes
2365[12:38.58] <|343373|> The eye is about The Eyes of Horus -> 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16(7) 1/32(5) 1/64(1) -> 5 7 8 4 2 1 or The Eye of Ra -> 1*2, 1*4 1*8 1*16(7) 1*32(5) 1*64(1) -> 2 4 8 7 5 1
2366[12:40.34] <NiceLurk> yeah i knew ybout those fractions in eye of the horus
2367[12:42.17] <NiceLurk> also sierpentinski triangle is hidden in flower of life symbol http://blog.world-mysteries.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/triangularnumbers.png
2368[12:43.24] <|343373|> Its the other way around
2369[12:46.00] <|343373|> 6 flipped interlinked serpinski triangles form the flower of life
2370[12:46.14] <NiceLurk> you are right, flower of life is limited on the outside, sierpentinski triangle is not limited on the inside
2371[12:46.20] <|343373|> center point creating the seed of life
2372[12:47.28] <|343373|> btw at this point this has nothing to do with LP atm, just letting you know to not mislead you
2373[12:52.16] <|343373|> "serpinski triangle" can help in understanding the cipher/encryption. but beyond that is something that you dont really need for LP, it is very interesting and helps you to understand the approach better but in no way does it help solve LP directly, the method of solving it stays the same. there are many directions to using and understanding the approach. the one used in LP is just 1 of them.
2374[12:53.55] <NiceLurk> i understand
2375[18:45.08] <|343373|> Im not sure if I said this or if you figured it out already, but it could be said that all mathematical patterns are interlinked(/"Interconnected").
2376[18:50.01] <Lurker6*> yeah that mp3 is also polyphonic, which could be seen as two interlinked melodies, and partly palindromic
2377[18:54.15] <|343373|> the Interconnectedness mp3 is showing the that patterns are in Interconnected. same pattern on a higher and lower note interconnect creating an other pattern, which interconnected with it created anotehr and then they start repeating then all 3-4 combined into one and interconnected on different scales creates a bent pattern. (eventually creating the pattern which is hidden in Pi.)
2378[18:55.10] <|343373|> thats why I said I think the person who made the pi website understands the approach somewhat or possibly solved quite abit of LP pages
2379[1*:04.45] <|343373|> ~**% of the whole Interconnectedness mp3 was mathematically written/composed.
2380[1*:08.4*] <|343373|> The bent pattern begins after 167 seconds in
2381[1*:11.15] <Lurker6*> iirc nobody propperly transcribed that mp3, and i am not enough musically inclined to do it,  i think somebody said that it seems to be in base 10
2382[1*:14.37] <|343373|> Yeah, but you can skip it with what you already have in understanding the approach to numbers so far... and I explained to you what happens in the mp3 :o (but then again.. its better to always test and confirm...)
2383[1*:15.42] <Lurker6*> lol
2384[1*:30.15] <|343373|> after 167 seconds, the bent pattern begins and stays for 60 seconds(until its completed ~360 degrees turn) and then the curve repeats in its basic form for 34 seconds, after that cicadas start singing for 27 seconds(and combined with the * seconds of the cicadas in the begining of the mp3 making it 36 seconds)
2385[1*:54.55] <|343373|> oops I meant after that cicadas start singing for 17 seconds(and combined with the *-10 seconds of the cicadas in the begining of the mp3 making it 26-27 seconds) typo
2386[1*:58.11] <|343373|> The whole Interconnectedness mp3 pattern starts at page 27 of the 00-57 so dont bother with it for now until you get there
2387[1*:58.54] <|343373|> And Im drunk... I probably shouldve have told you that one... LOL...
2388[1*:5*.05] <|343373|> shouldnt have*
2389[1*:5*.57] <Lurker6*> i am not mad at all
2390[20:00.06] <|343373|> ?
2391[20:00.34] <Lurker6*> not mad that you are giving me more tips that you should :)
2392[20:02.37] <|343373|> .... Better keep what just happened to yourself... Idk if I could get in trouble for this... (i dont want to suddenly lose the chance of them contacting me just cause of a stupid mistake like this lol(
2393[20:04.02] <|343373|> I've waited this long already.... fml if they drop me from the list just cause of this
2394[20:05.52] <Lurker6*> ok, i wont share that one with anybody, i dont have the transcribed notes from mp3 anways, and i dont have any idea how to do that for myself
2395[20:06.24] <Lurker6*> i am alone currently anyways, sage is off the grid for past few days, not sure when he will come back
2396[20:07.20] <|343373|> You should be able to do it yourself without the notes by the time you get to that page, it starts with a simple factorization function......
2397[20:14.21] <|343373|> its the page with the wing 27.jpg(if 00-57.jpg) or 44.jpg(if 00-74.jpg)
2398[20:15.2*] <|343373|> I dont remember if I told you or sage about that wing and the tree being(or pointing to) the same pattern/function/way of using the approach
2399[20:15.55] <|343373|> I just hinted, didnt plainly say that though...
2400[20:16.06] <|343373|> FFS I should stop talking atm, sorry
2401[20:17.54] <Lurker6*> you didnt told us that, but i noticed that branches and roots on the tree are multiplying in similar fasshion than veins on cicadas wing
2402[20:1*.23] <|343373|> I remembered now.. it was to sage, he was asking about the tree because the tree was bugging him a lot
2403[20:1*.58] <Lurker6*> i was trying to brute force that page alot, assummed first three runes would be THE and key would start with 4 6 * ...
2404[20:22.24] <Lurker6*> now you pointed out at another possible connection of wing being on 17th page and duration of cicadas noise in mp3 being cca 27 sec
2405[20:22.27] <|343373|> you mean 3 5 8
2406[20:23.05] <|343373|> - 3 5 8 .....
2407[20:23.07] <Lurker6*> yeah 358 or 46* depends if you cont shift for 0 or you dont
2408[20:24.18] <Lurker6*> or 5 7 10 on the cicadas wing if you count outter border and not only veins on each branching step
2409[20:25.02] <Lurker6*> but i am pretty sure that 3 5 8 is correct beginning of the key, I just didnt find any logical continuation that would produce redable plain text
2410[20:27.35] <|343373|> - 3 5 8  the next one is -'7' in a way... I wont explain more than that, but it will make sense to you later and confirm that you found the right approach to it
2411[20:36.44] <|343373|> its not -7 but my statement of -'7' will make sense
2412[20:37.11] <|343373|> to confirm after you find how the function works
2413[20:3*.00] <Lurker6*> your '-' before 3 doesnt mean minus sign there right?
2414[20:40.04] <|343373|> movement backwards or subtraction
2415[20:40.17] <|343373|> (direction)
2416[20:43.4*] <|343373|> - 3 5 8 = + 26 24 21
2417[20:44.31] <|343373|> (for gematria primus)
2418[20:44.47] <|343373|> (2* runes..)
2419[20:45.26] <Lurker6*> ah ok, its - onfront of all three numbers, that makes sense now
2420[20:45.3*] <|343373|> yes
2421[20:46.46] <Lurker6*> i was using opposite direction in my notes, moving up on gematria was negative and moving down was positive
2422[20:47.13] <Lurker6*> but it is exactly opposite while you are encrypting
2423[20:47.50] <|343373|> yes thats correct
2424[20:48.4*] <Lurker6*> i was using opposite direction in my notes, moving up on gematria was *positive and moving down was *negative *( is what i meant)
2425[20:48.5*] <|343373|> moving upwards on gematria is negative is minus because to go from 2* to 1 and moving downwards is positive because you go from 1 to 2*
2426[20:4*.08] <Lurker6*> but that shouldnt matter anyways as long as i use same notation consistently
2427[20:4*.08] <|343373|> i get what you mean
2428[20:4*.0*] <|343373|> lol
2429[20:4*.13] <|343373|> yes
2430[20:4*.28] <|343373|> the idea is the same
2431[21:2*.15] <Lurker6*> oh i forgot one little detail with that 3 5 8 key, it produces THE but in first solved 17 pages TH E was always written in two runes version, never three runes version
2432[21:2*.48] <Lurker6*> so i wont take 3 5 8 '7' as sacred truth for now
2433[21:31.00] <|343373|> its not 7
2434[21:31.11] <|343373|> but -7 will make sense to confirm
2435[21:33.28] <|343373|> And you are somewhat correct :) deal with that page when you get to it lol
2436[21:33.38] <Lurker6*>  yeah i get that, i dont want to guess what would next shift be just based on that
2437[21:35.02] <Lurker6*> and as i said, i dont even trust you completely that first three shifts are 3 5 8
2438[21:36.16] <|343373|> (its not 3 5 8, the idea of it shifting by 3 then 5 then 8 is somehow correct though..)
2439[21:36.51] <|343373|> (its shifting by 3 then by 5 then by 8 on a pattern though... not the gematria primus rune set... lol
2440[21:38.33] <|343373|> heck I can just say this probably... by 3 then 5 then 8 then 2 then 6
2441[21:40.34] <|343373|> not actual 2 (its other umber but dr 2) and not actual 6 but dr 6
2442[21:43.36] <Lurker6*> ok if your previous -'7' is now 2 then we are talking about base 10 not base30 as i was assuming earlier
2443[21:44.07] <Lurker6*> so maybe 3 5 8 11 15 or 3 5 8 20 24... eh i dont wanna guess 
2444[21:45.11] <|343373|> dont try to guess atm, you dont get the approach fully yet nor their way of using it... trying to guess things you didnt get to yet will only confuse you
2445[20:11.37] <|343373|> Someone of the ppl related to the pi mobi probably either finished the previous puzzles in time, or have access to the rules page(from after LP)...
2446[20:13.24] <|343373|> Thats how they knew about the "seek and you will be found", it was always "Seek and you will be found." exact same wording every time at the end of the puzzle
2447[20:14.54] <|343373|> They probably wanted to make a sensation by using part of that sentense in their own words knowing 3301 will use it for the puzzle sooner or later...
2448[20:15.10] <|343373|> sentence*
2449[20:17.28] <Lurker6*> what do you mean by "at the end of the puzzle" you mean that they used this wording at end of puzzles in 2012 2013 and 2014 on "rules onion page"?
2450[20:18.05] <|343373|> starting 2013 form what i remmeber yes.. i told you before already
2451[20:18.08] <|343373|> from*
2452[20:18.15] <|343373|> remember*
2453[20:18.34] <|343373|> argh sorry typo so much atm lol
2454[20:1*.02] <Lurker6*> i dont get why pi.mobi guys never use outguess, that would make them look even more like real 3301
2455[20:1*.35] <Lurker6*> and if anyone of them would have solved Lp, they would be dropping clues about LP solution to rpove they are legit
2456[20:1*.54] <|343373|> I dont think they are trying to pose as 3301 for real.. more like trying to give hints to the approach in their own way probably
2457[20:20.15] <|343373|> and have fun playing around with the players by trolling them in the meanwhile
2458[20:21.40] <|343373|> Remember what I said about interconnectedness mp3? it has the same bent pattern that keeps repeating in Pi
2459[20:21.56] <|343373|> and they had few other hints....
2460[20:22.53] <|343373|> thats why I said they are probably someone or people who either solved LP or atleast half of LP already
2461[20:26.1*] <Lurker6*> i though that pi decimal sequnce might be coincindencal, pi is often used in math puzzles, but you might be right
2462[20:28.16] <|343373|> every x fixed amount of digits of pi give you a number of a pattern that keeps going and repeating over and over in the tail
2463[20:30.2*] <Lurker6*> are you sure about that, i think that most mathematicians think that digits in pi never repeat
2464[20:30.40] <|343373|> number is in like *2 being 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 *.............. or 2^x being 2 4 8 7 5 1......... something like that keeps repeating in the tail
2465[20:30.51] <|343373|> as in like*
2466[20:31.23] <|343373|> these patterns happen in square root of 2 too
2467[20:32.26] <|343373|> it can be called a Root Pattern
2468[20:33.11] <|343373|> its a little more complicated than the normal patterns
2469[20:34.24] <|343373|> and slightly longer but the pattern from them does start repeating the exact same sequence after a while
2470[20:35.04] <Lurker6*> I was about to ask about square rot of two, root of two and pi are known irrational numbers that shlould have non repeatable decimal part, and that was proven in many  ways
2471[20:35.24] <|343373|> theres no such thing as "irrational numbers"
2472[20:36.15] <Lurker6*> but you said "pattern keeps repeating" and not "digits keep repeating", digits should not start to repeat
2473[20:36.31] <|343373|> It only means they cant(couldnt) find the rationality. It must be rational for the constant to work
2474[20:36.5*] <|343373|> the digits of the patterns repeat in the same order
2475[20:37.1*] <|343373|> the patterns repeat in dif order with same digit order
2476[20:38.1*] <|343373|> like you could have 12345678* 24681357* 36*36*36* then 24681357* 12345678* 36*36*36* ......
2477[20:3*.0*] <|343373|> Root Pattern consist of more than 1 pattern inside itself
2478[20:41.01] <|343373|> (each digit of a pattern being digital root of a fixed set of digits in the tail
2479[20:43.14] <|343373|> You dont need this atm, just do the basic stuff first to get the hang of how they use the approach first
2480[20:44.35] <|343373|> (youll need to look into it a bit only starting page ~27.jpg of 00-57.jpg)
2481[20:50.32] <Lurker6*> hmm, makes sense if you are taling about digital roots of fixed set of digits in the root, but as i understood math that i have been taught: digits in the tail in irrational numbers like pi or sq root of two never start to repeat 
2482[20:50.48] <Lurker6*> pi is not 3.(1415*26....n)(1415*26....n)(1415*26....n)....
2483[20:51.17] <Lurker6*> hmm, makes sense if you are taling about digital roots of fixed set of digits in the *tail*, but as i understood math that i have been taught: digits in the tail in irrational numbers like pi or sq root of two never start to repeat 
2484[20:52.25] <|343373|> The digits dont repeat because they are different configurations of a digit of a pattern
2485[20:52.56] <|343373|> there are more than 1 pattern and huge amount of possible configurations
2486[20:54.10] <|343373|> making the digits never repeat in the same manner almost infinitely.
2487[20:54.40] <Lurker6*> yeah that is possible in my logic, i just had to make sure that you dont claim that "irrational" numbers have repeating digits in tail
2488[20:54.58] <Lurker6*> but yeah there is that "almost infinatelly" paradox
2489[20:55.0*] <|343373|> but if you find the amount of digits each pattern of the root has you will notice how numbers start repeating themselves perfectly in the same sequences
2490[20:58.38] <|343373|> thats like(just random number for example)... 2.17, 551, 831, .... in the tail. 217 being '1', 551 being '2', 831 being '3' of 12345678* pattern
2491[21:01.10] <|343373|> in Root Pattern the amount of digits to find the fixed pattern is very likely to be more than just 3 digits. and you have few patterns switching places with one another during the root patten, but they do repeat the same exact pattern after a while
2492[21:01.24] <|343373|> (same exact Root Pattern*)
2493[21:02.00] <Lurker6*> and the lenght of the selected set of digits stays constant right?
2494[21:02.10] <|343373|> for each pattern.
2495[21:02.52] <|343373|> a set amount for each pattern of 1 pattern of 2 and pattern of 3
2496[21:04.50] <|343373|> like 3 for 1st, 6 for 2nd, * for 3rd, every xxx till first pattern finishes, then every xxxxxx till 2nd pattern finishes, then every xxxxxxxxx till 3rd pattern finishes, and so on
2497[21:05.4*] <|343373|> when 1st pattern happens again its still xxx (3digits), when 2nd pattern happens again its still xxxxxx(6 digits), and when 3rd pattern happens again its still xxxxxxxxx(* digits)
2498[21:07.40] <|343373|> 3, 6, * amount of digits is just an example though.. but the amounts will follow a pattern too
2499[21:12.12] <Lurker6*> ok, there might be few patterns that can be switching places at first (but each pattern always contain same digit order and starts with same digit), and after a while even how patterns switch places starts to repeat 
2500[21:12.43] <|343373|> yes
2501[21:15.10] <|343373|> Is this too shocking of a news? lol
2502[21:17.00] <|343373|> Dont talk about this to anyone, from my understanding on how things work, this leads to something amazing... (and very dangerous if it were to fall into the wrong hands)
2503[21:17.31] <Lurker6*> no its not shocking, i am just repeating it so it gets embeded into my logic
2504[21:17.3*] <|343373|> 3301 probably understand what the approach leads to, thats why they work the way they do..
2505[21:18.10] <|343373|> (as in filtering ppl very carefully)
2506[21:1*.5*] <|343373|> Dont think about the Root Patterns atm, just copy what i said and what you repeated about it into your notes for later(when you get to something related to it)
2507[21:20.37] <Lurker6*> lol dangerous yes, we were talking with sage that this patterns might be dangerous regarding breaking not just LP encryption 
2508[21:21.30] <|343373|> Yeah he probably talked to you a bit about what I talked to him about...
2509[21:25.46] <Lurker6*> he didnt say it came from you, he mentioned his theory that 3301 wants to leak information on possible attack vector on RSA keys by factorizing large numbers based on repeating patterns in them
2510[21:26.34] <|343373|> Just copy the thing about Root Patterns into you private notes... if you start working on it atm it might mislead you about the approach(use of the approach) in the original 17 and in the first ~20 pages of the 00-58
2511[21:27.20] <Lurker6*> right
2512[21:27.31] <|343373|> Well we talked about it, and he said that what I explained to him confirmed it for him..
2513[21:28.13] <|343373|> (explained as in about numbers, you know a lot more so far btw)
2514[21:28.22] <|343373|> I havent talked to him in a while
2515[21:2*.57] <Lurker6*> yeah he believes, since i know him, that there are publicly unknown ways to break private keys
2516[21:30.36] <Lurker6*> and i also havent talked to him for a bout a week, i think he is busy with some private projects, he will be back, he always returns
2517[21:34.3*] <|343373|> The 'approach' is not just about encryptions though... Think about it... It happens all over in nature and in our universe. Anything that is a natural process, not something artificial created by our(humans) current wrong approach(in mathematics and science as well as the view on how everything works) atm.
2518[21:36.16] <|343373|> Laws of nature follow the exact same rules as what numbers/digits (math) do. They are all expression of the same something/system.
2519[21:36.55] <|343373|> They all follow the same Patterns.
2520[21:37.42] <|343373|> So yup, keep this completely to yourself please.
2521[21:42.22] <Lurker6*> Patterns appearing in nature are not dangerous they are beautiful. We have always been noticing them. All the different number sequences and fractal structures. They are occuring on all scales from micro to macro world. 
2522[21:42.25] <|343373|> I dont know whats 3301s intentions in using the approach but based on how careful they are, its more likely that its not just about encryptions.
2523[21:43.42] <|343373|> Not dangerous? if you understand the patterns by which something is created, then you can manipulate the process to result in anything you wish it to be usig the approach.
2524[21:44.51] <Lurker6*> And whole space is just a play of energies following same mathematical principles as life on earth. In a way even our "artifical creations" are completelly natural.
2525[21:44.53] <|343373|> Understanding the approach, building a device/system would enable manipulating the laws of nature.
2526[21:45.15] <|343373|> a device/system using it*
2527[21:47.07] <|343373|> In a way anything becomes possible, as well as creating a black hole the size of the planet using things you can buy in a mall. Tell me that wont be dangerous in the wrong hands.
2528[21:47.35] <Lurker6*> bad people using laws of nature to do bad things isnt anything new, good example are atomic weapons
2529[21:48.07] <|343373|> atomic weapons is a misdirection from the correct approach to avoid something worse
2530[21:50.12] <|343373|> because we(the world) werent ready to keep everything in control if the understanding of the approach got leaked before they complete creating a safety switch to this whole thing.
2531[21:53.25] <|343373|> Nikola Tesla was one of the few people who understood the approach somewhat and tried to use it for people..
2532[21:54.30] <Lurker6*> you think that atomic bomb was invented intentionally just to misdirect other nations from this "pattern approach"?
2533[21:54.47] <|343373|> not intentionally
2534[21:55.1*] <|343373|> but it was a result of an attempt to misdirect
2535[21:56.06] <Lurker6*> and yes we have to thank Tesla for most of todays technology
2536[21:56.36] <|343373|> Originally the approach was lost since ancient times, and only few knew/understood it. Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein and few other understood it a little bit(/its potential) too and tried to misdirect.
2537[21:57.2*] <|343373|> (there were many before them too of course)
2538[21:58.20] <|343373|> But now its even more dangerous due to the amount of information available we have atm.
2539[22:00.55] <|343373|> Tesla wanted to do what ancients done before using the pyramids(allow inifite, free supply of pure bio electricity anywhere and everywhere on the planet)
2540[22:02.02] <Lurker6*> Wasnt american nuclear program fueled by fear that Germans might build bomb before them? But yeah Einstein was trying to prevent atomic bomb from happening since the beginnig, but there was no way to prevent invention of it during 2WW, since basic nuclear phisycs principles were already known. 
2541[22:02.04] <|343373|> bio electricity/energy*
2542[22:02.5*] <Lurker6*> Yeah I think that teslas free enrgy plan had something to do with  schumann resonance
2543[22:04.12] <|343373|> all of the current physics, maths, chems, bios, etc.. approach is wrong atm, it all leads to a dead-end.
2544[22:04.57] <|343373|> Yes it works, but so are numbers repeating abit in a not complete pattern when the approach is wrong
2545[22:10.2*] <Lurker6*> newtons equations still work eventhough they were based on incorrect assumptions as it was proven later by theory of relativity
2546[22:10.31] <|343373|> Also the earth/plane is not bent/spheroid, its actually a flat plane with the space around it bent in a spherical manner, believe it or not.
2547[22:11.27] <|343373|> it(the plane) has an infinite continuation of it.
2548[22:11.53] <Lurker6*> now we have string theory that is offering new foundation to understand relativity theory concepts even loser to their essence
2549[22:13.17] <|343373|> Theres no "gravity" nor "space" as we know it. it exists but it works differently than we are being told. Just look at nasa's photos... LOL...
2550[22:15.31] <Lurker6*> what nasas photos? i hope you dont mean those that prove that earth is flat by showing suns high light intensity spot on clouds
2551[22:15.45] <|343373|> The continuation of the plane should be at the very center of the magnetic poles. (if you were to pass through it, it should look as if the horizon collapses into a singularity then expands back to how it was, but at that point you should be on another different "earth" already.
2552[22:16.42] <Lurker6*> i was talking about that thing http://geoshifter.com/images/sun-hotspot-on-clouds.jpg
2553[22:17.17] <|343373|> hmm interesting
2554[22:17.28] <|343373|> I cant explain that one atm
2555[22:17.35] <|343373|> (idk how it works yet)
2556[22:1*.03] <|343373|> Horizon always stays on eye level and always stays flat. And you can use a telescope on a good day to see over ~180 miles in the distance just fine.
2557[22:1*.27] <|343373|> space itself around the earth is bent though.
2558[22:22.26] <|343373|> Well the most I managed to see using a telescope was ~2*0-300km in a flat line into the horizon.
2559[22:24.33] <|343373|> But thats because the air is not fully transparent(there are particle, especially of water in it) which blurs(effect gets multiplied with the distance)
2560[22:27.33] <Lurker6*> but curvature of the earth is blocking your sight, you cant see your own back sitting on a spere even with perfect transparent athmosphere
2561[22:27.52] <|343373|> Theres no curvature to the earth.
2562[22:28.00] <|343373|> only to the space around it.
2563[22:2*.00] <Lurker6*> gravity bends light rays but not to the extent they would to come to the full circle, at leat not earth scale gravity
2564[22:2*.10] <|343373|> The space over the earth is bending the earth into a sphere
2565[22:2*.37] <Lurker6*> ships do go below the horizont as they go further away
2566[22:2*.38] <|343373|> Theres no gravity O.o
2567[22:30.23] <Lurker6*> well earth being flat with space being bend around it is the same as earth being a spere in flat planes 3d space
2568[22:30.26] <|343373|> Its all magnetic, frequency synchronized effect.
2569[22:31.03] <|343373|> its bent but stays perfectly flat
2570[22:32.23] <|343373|> ... wait lol I hope theres a video on the internet about this... I regret not making a video of the experiment ive done
2571[22:32.36] <Lurker6*> yeah, mass is bending (pulling together) on empty space, making effect that we call gravity
2572[22:33.08] <Lurker6*> there is a video showing that ships do go under horizont https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nUFLLUahSI
2573[22:33.12] <|343373|> nono theres no gravity
2574[22:33.22] <|343373|> youre not being pulled to the center
2575[22:34.04] <|343373|> you are being pulled parallel to the plane
2576[22:36.4*] <|343373|> LOl k found something close to what ive done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_TTguKxnE
2577[22:37.14] <|343373|> I done it with a telescope though so it was way more far than that.
2578[22:38.57] <Lurker6*> there is an illusion called looming that happens beacuse of different temperatue air creating lens effect, that couls make you see ships over the horizont or further away than it would be possible if light would travel in staight line
2579[22:38.5*] <Lurker6*> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-21305*8/False-wall-water-created-Fata-Morgana-mirage-hidden-iceberg-Titanic-late.html
2580[22:3*.41] <|343373|> thats a lie, mirages dont work that way :)
2581[22:41.12] <|343373|> The humidity in the air may work as a lens though.
2582[22:41.33] <|343373|> magnifying lens
2583[22:42.51] <Lurker6*> http://images-cdn.*gag.com/photo/aWZKeP6_700b_v1.jpg thats the image that made me read about looming
2584[22:44.01] <|343373|> Its magnifying lens, in the distance still at horizon level
2585[22:46.28] <|343373|> Sorry to break it to you
2586[22:4*.11] <Lurker6*> temparature of the air influnces density of the air which creates lens effect, humidity might also play a role in it
2587[22:4*.24] <|343373|> But it doesnt bend.
2588[22:4*.57] <|343373|> Its a completely straight line forward.
2589[22:52.02] <|343373|> There can be a mirage, which is a reflection. but those ones arent.
2590[22:53.12] <Lurker6*> https://deadconfederates.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hull-down-03.png here is nice picture proving that ships do go under horizont
2591[22:53.45] <Lurker6*> as far as i understand looming is not the same as mirage
2592[22:54.03] <|343373|> no thats sea level + not enough zoom
2593[22:54.51] <|343373|> its farther than it seems
2594[22:55.36] <|343373|> it seems closer due to the humidity magnifying it
2595[22:56.04] <|343373|> if you keep zooming on it more and more youll see the whole ship
2596[22:57.43] <|343373|> Mirages are always flipped. (because they are a reflection)
2597[22:58.35] <Lurker6*> yeah looming doesnt flip image, its not mirage, lomming only makes image appear higher or lower or streched in one way
2598[22:5*.45] <|343373|> no like I said, it just magnifies the view in a straight line.
2599[23:00.27] <|343373|> Stright line as in infront of you
2600[23:00.45] <|343373|> from your side, not from the objects side
2601[23:03.23] <Lurker6*> looming is becasue of different density of air, light travels with different speeds in different density materials, so at looming light keepss turning towards lower density part of air slighty, which makes light rays to bend
2602[23:03.38] <Lurker6*> it can also magnify/make things appear bigger or smaller
2603[23:04.43] <|343373|> its due to the humidity, not pure density of air.
2604[23:04.43] <Lurker6*> and as i read effect  can be opposite, it can also make objects appear lower bellow the horizon
2605[23:05.57] <|343373|> you know how water can be used as a magnifying glass? its almost same idea but the difference is, its straight, not a bent lens
2606[23:13.46] <Lurker6*> it seems to me that there arw two effects in play, one is magnification caused by humidity, other one is shifting image higher or lower that is casued by density, both effects seem to be called looming
2607[23:14.36] <Lurker6*> this is the looming i was talking about http://www.historyinsidepictures.com/siteimages/LOOMING%201.JPG
2608[23:15.31] <|343373|> no shifting and no looming, those are theories that are used to take away the idea of why you are able to see flat in the distance
2609[23:1*.26] <Lurker6*> so you claim that if you would keep zooming on this ship http://prntscr.com/bi27qy you would see more and more of it?
2610[23:1*.41] <Lurker6*> what is preventing you to see whole ship with this lense then?
2611[23:21.51] <|343373|> Eventually if you keep zooming in(it will appear as if the ship is actually getting smaller) until you zoom in enough to start seeing its real size(and the whole ship ofcourse)
2612[23:22.22] <|343373|> if the humidity isnt too dense ofcouse... if it is then itll just keep getting more and more blurry
2613[23:24.11] <|343373|> there are ways to counter the blur though
2614[23:25.58] <Lurker6*> but sailors are using those equations for centuries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#/media/File:HorizonDistance.png
2615[23:27.05] <Lurker6*> and we know for sure that you could actually tie a rope around the earth, and both ends meet just as expectd, horizont doesent colapse in singularity for either end, and on end doesnt end on another earth 
2616[23:27.11] <Lurker6*> brb
2617[23:27.11] <|343373|> How is it any different if it was flat? LOL
2618[23:28.01] <|343373|> By a rope you mean around the north pole.
2619[23:28.14] <|343373|> lol
2620[23:2*.38] <|343373|> south pole gets tricky as the bent space is acting up there. the distences around cannot be calculated.
2621[23:32.43] <|343373|> distances*
2622[23:36.47] <|343373|> from pole +*0 degree radius to pole -*0 degree radius in a straight line can be calculated.
2623[23:40.2*] <|343373|> The closer you get to south pole the harder it becomes to calculate the distance around it because the space is bent there the most up to the very center of the south pole radius.
2624[23:42.1*] <|343373|> while the space is bent less up to the north pole. (only the north pole magnetic -*0 degree radius is bent there)
2625[23:48.32] <|343373|> Imagine a flat square 'cut off', with a square of nothing inside the 'cut off' square too (not really cut, its still there, so is the square thats suposed to be inside too and still the same) and turned into now turned into a flat donat, then bent into a sphere.
2626[23:50.32] <|343373|> ..same) and turned into a flat donat... *
2627[23:54.20] <|343373|> >Imagine a flat square 'cut off' AS IN from an infinite plane
2628[23:55.33] <|343373|> Does that make more sense?
2629[23:57.15] <Lurker6*> amm i get lost at turning flat square (with another square inside of it) in flat donat
2630[23:57.55] <Lurker6*> and i dont get your problem with distances around north and south pole, and why conditions on south pole are more complicated than on north pole
2631[23:58.1*] <Lurker6*> but you can select your pole on every point on the sphere, and draw your meridians and paralles from there, then space would be bending around that new pole; magnetic and geographical poles are where they are just because earth is moving in solar system the way it is, otherwise you can select your top and bottom point of sphere wherever you want
2632[23:58.22] <|343373|> sec ill draw it quick for you
2633[00:04.54] <Lurker6*> i see all this as just transformation from carthesian to polar coordinate system in 3d
2634[00:07.30] <Lurker6*> also if earth is not shere but flat plane bent by bent space around it, what are other spheres in our space, the ones that look like spheres if observed from our point? would a ball on flat earth observe itself as flat and saw earth as a sphere? while third oserver see both of them as spheres from his point of view?
2635[00:0*.11] <|343373|> http://oi67.tinypic.com/1zfmn37.jpg
2636[00:10.03] <|343373|> then bent into a sphere
2637[00:10.28] <|343373|> N = north, S= south
2638[00:11.02] <|343373|> thats the bending of space
2639[00:12.42] <|343373|> nothing of the square(as well as inside and outside the square) is lost, nothing is lost while the square becomes a circle
2640[00:13.17] <|343373|> and nothing is lost while that flat donat becomes a sphere.
2641[00:13.27] <|343373|> The plane stays the same
2642[00:13.36] <|343373|> only the space is bent
2643[00:1*.47] <Lurker6*> yeah i can imagine those transforamtions, and i can see the difference between N and S pole, N is inner one and S is outer one on original flat plane
2644[00:1*.5*] <|343373|> Perimeters into Circumferences into a sphere with only abit of north circumference collapsed towards a singularity, and a lot of south circumference collapsed towards a singularity.
2645[00:21.26] <|343373|> Thats also the reason for the auroras, because of the bent space.
2646[00:23.02] <|343373|> (concentration of light in a bent space)
2647[00:24.3*] <|343373|> (light as in energy)
2648[00:26.10] <|343373|> (the discharge of it)
2649[00:27.03] <Lurker6*> but if you do same transformation from sphere to square in opposite way, and you start from different N pole you get same plane that is slightly shifted horizontally and vertically, and inner N square and outter S square cross different points (relative to original position) on same surface   
2650[00:28.06] <Lurker6*> and if you chose to make plane from sphere starting with what used to ne S pole, then you get same plane, its just "incerted" what was N on old one is S on new one and opposite
2651[00:28.20] <Lurker6*> "inverted"*
2652[00:2*.31] <Lurker6*> that proves that both N and S  (or any other point on sphere) have exactlly same conditions, difference can be detected only on plane that you get from transformation
2653[00:30.41] <Lurker6*> on the sphere N and S points have same "propperties", differetn circumferences appear only on plane becasue transformation was not uniform
2654[00:31.27] <Lurker6*> N pole gets streched and flattened into inner square and S oule gets stretched more into outter square
2655[00:33.24] <|343373|> why complicate it though?... plane cant be spherical, theres no such thing as what you call "gravity" water always tries to reach a flat surface. if you notice we **% of the time fly towards the north pole even while in the south pole
2656[00:34.12] <|343373|> thats used to fly in straight line and shorten the distance
2657[00:43.02] <Lurker6*> on southern hemisphere planes trajectory goes towards south pole, compared to the straight line on flat map, if they would go north of straight line path would be longer  
2658[00:43.53] <|343373|> they dont fly towards the south pole, those who do have a crazy flight time, or have no GPS on the plane.
2659[00:4*.37] <|343373|> the planet is not flat, the surface is.
2660[00:57.16] <Lurker6*> do you siggest that on GPS, closest route between south america and australia doesnt go through south pole?
2661[00:58.07] <Lurker6*> did people who designed GPS network knew about "problem of bent space" on south pole and programmed in corrections that show paths avoiding south pole?
2662[00:5*.30] <|343373|> Not sure about if they programmed in corrections... but the base systems were originally by nasa apparently.. lol...
2663[01:00.40] <|343373|> The closer you move to the surface the less bent space will affect you
2664[01:01.38] <|343373|> so the higher you fly over the southern hemisphere, the more distance you pass under yourself.
2665[01:02.25] <|343373|> (while bending your flight toward the south pole)
2666[01:15.23] <Lurker6*> googling a little bit it really appears as that airplanes are avoiding south pole, although most sites claiming that are flat earth conspiracysites but i think reason is becasue there arent many airports for emergency landings near pole, I will look a bit further into it 
2667[01:15.26] <Lurker6*> i have to go now, i am back in couple of hours; but i am keen to understand your perception of 3d space
2668[01:16.32] <|343373|> kk ttyl
2669[01:16.38] <|343373|> its 4d space btw
2670[01:16.42] <|343373|> not 3d
2671[01:18.08] <|343373|> 4th-d is the space itself, within which there can exist an unlimited amount of 3d.
2672[01:20.16] <|343373|> just like theres unlimited amount of 2d in 3d and unlimited amount of 1d in 2d (-> same goes of unlimited amount of nothing inside a 1d)
2673[15:2*.26] <Lurker6*> i hope you dont mind if i share some of your knwoledge with those who are prepared to listen to it?
2674[15:32.52] <|343373|> I rather you do so in private, im as the one who gave you the hinted and slightly explained how the approach works... kind of responsible for it... 7/7=6 isnt supposed to be told directly, nor about how numbers create patterns there, giving the pattern directly... (only hinting to it)
2675[15:33.07] <|343373|> the hints*
2676[15:34.31] <Lurker6*> but i am not as patient as you are, i rather explain it directly, i dont have time for them to figure it out for themselves
2677[15:34.51] <Lurker6*> i know you have rules to follow, and you do follow them as far as i am concerned
2678[15:36.38] <|343373|> Patience is a virtue. And if you dont have the patience then dont tell nor hint them about it.
2679[15:37.42] <|343373|> Or when you do then still hint, dont give them the whoe patterns directly
2680[15:37.47] <|343373|> whole*
2681[15:37.50] <Lurker6*> alright, ill do it more patiently in future without skipping steps
2682[15:3*.14] <|343373|> you can give them more direct hints, and can in channel.. idc tbh because its your mostly your responsibility, but the main rule was that they cant be told the answers directly...
2683[15:3*.4*] <|343373|> if they cant find the next step themselves then they wont be able to find the step after by themselves either
2684[15:40.57] <Lurker6*> i didnt want to complicate things with desprit, he is new and it seems to me that his interest is more in philosophical stuff than math
2685[15:41.07] <|343373|> being given the answer without enough fundamental understanding on the approach will lead to not being able to understand the way the approach works.
2686[15:41.46] <Lurker6*> but i get the importance of understanding of each step
2687[15:42.01] <|343373|> sure it will make sense and youll understand but you wont be able to find the things you cant see yet
2688[15:42.47] <|343373|> I am/was able to tell you more because you got enough understanding of the approach so far
2689[15:42.47] <Lurker6*> and even if LP text gets eventually publicly solved, **% of people will not be interested in decryption anyways, everybody cares only about final solution not how we came to it
2690[15:43.12] <|343373|> the whole point of LP is the decryption though... lol
2691[15:44.02] <Lurker6*> for example all the articles (apart from some blogs) on the web only focus on content of decrypted text, no journalist writes about encryption or keys
2692[15:44.30] <|343373|> <Lurker6*> it comes from sequence of Digital roots of 1/7 2/7 3/7 4/7 5/7....*/7
2693[15:44.30] <|343373|> <Lurker6*> Dr 1/7=*,  Dr 2/7=4, Dr 3/7=8...  Dr 7/7=6... and Dr */7=5        Full patern of Dr n/7 is *48372615  and it repeats when n goes over *
2694[15:44.41] <|343373|> you can say these things but avoid talking about /7
2695[15:44.51] <|343373|> just hint that /7 follows the same idea
2696[15:46.06] <Lurker6*> yeah i get that content of LP is kind of distraction, while point of what 3301 want to show us is in understanding principles of encryption/decryption, text can change, ciphers are universal
2697[15:46.15] <|343373|> giving them the pattern of 7 is skipping a whole lot, including how /7 tail works and how full reptend primes work
2698[15:46.54] <Lurker6*> about /7 and its prime division, I know its skipping much steps, you need to start with *1 /1 and *2 /2... to understand how patterns work
2699[15:48.17] <|343373|> The content of LP serves its purpose. It filters people by 'morals', higher understanding and gives hints to the wise.
2700[15:48.40] <|343373|> indeed
2701[15:48.55] <|343373|> so try to avoid giving them the whole thing please.. lol
2702[15:4*.3*] <|343373|> Idk if you telling them can affect me or not... (the rules page isnt too clear about it)
2703[15:52.37] <Lurker6*> and yeah content of LP is beautifully written, but nothing shockingly new, its just cicadas summary of already known philosophical texts
2704[15:52.48] <|343373|> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_square
2705[15:52.51] <|343373|> mhm
2706[15:53.03] <|343373|> btw look at that
2707[15:54.54] <|343373|> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_square
2708[15:54.58] <Lurker6*> i hope my leaks wont affect you negatively, you should keep your online nicks and identities you use with 3301 separate, compartmentalizing you handlers is good for opsec
2709[15:55.22] <|343373|> they are related to the "magic square" you should find a connection more easily after see these 2
2710[15:56.55] <|343373|> Idk, for all I know they might release these hints in 11 days idk
2711[15:57.28] <|343373|> my these I mean how numbers work
2712[15:58.04] <Lurker6*> yeah they are interesting, all this square things are remionding me on matrices, that are fundamental for most phisics equations
2713[16:04.25] <Lurker6*> http://pubs.sciepub.com/ijp/2/6/1/image/equ5.png that thing is from quantum theory and it partly connects quantum theory with theory of relativity
2714[16:05.52] <|343373|> both quantum theory and theory of relativity are wrong approaches though.. so they will have a deadend in the end
2715[16:06.3*] <|343373|> By wrong I mean flawed.
2716[16:11.17] <Lurker6*> http://m75*.net/wordpress/?tag=dirac-and-geometry Pual Dirac, he was first one who found connection between Quantum Theory and Relativity
2717[16:12.26] <Lurker6*> Yeah those theories are "flawed", like newtons mechanics was also "flawed", those theories are just approximation of real reasons behind natural laws
2718[16:12.53] <Lurker6*> next step is string theory, but i dont really understand that yet
2719[16:14.30] <Lurker6*> i thnk that with every new theory concept we are getting closer and closer to true nature of things, but we will probbably never be able to understand the "essence" of everything
2720[16:15.04] <|343373|> They are all going around it but not touching it...
2721[16:17.43] <|343373|> The "approach" follows the nature(/laws) fully, as its a pure manifistation of them through numbers and mathematical operations. 3301 uses 1 of the many ways in which the approach can be used.
2722[16:18.51] <Lurker6*> our brains being made of matter following nature prinicples doesnt allow us to see outside of "it", or understand how things really work, even our imagination and mental constructs ares still just product of chemical and electrical processes in our brain, we cant escape our own reality
2723[16:20.07] <Lurker6*> we can use proven math laws to explain and predict nature, but that works only in one way, sort of like hash functions, you cant go back to see real reason why things work the way they work, but newtons and relativity equations produce correct results
2724[16:20.43] <|343373|> we are that reality though. and that reality follows the exact same rules. is made of exact same rules. the patterns repeat the same way on every possible level.
2725[16:23.18] <|343373|> if you understand your self, you will understand the universe and its rules. The approach is one of the ways to do so. Remember the Koan on page ~07.jpg
2726[16:25.11] <Lurker6*> so we can say that there is force called gravity, and that gravity is bending of space, and that gravity is whatever string theory says it is... all those claims are correct in limitation of our own brain or existance, we just use aparatus we have to oserve tru word, but our aparatus will always lie about true basis of things 
2727[16:26.30] <Lurker6*> sort of like sight, we see colours, that are beautifull and follow some rules and everything, but true nature behind them is electromagnetic radiation 
2728[16:27.20] <Lurker6*> or if we use some aparatus to measure nature like thermometer, we can se the temperature that follows thermodinamical laws, but true nature of thing is vibration of atoms in matter
2729[16:27.23] <|343373|> no, true nature behind them is the patterns and configurations by which they form and which they follow
2730[16:28.14] <|343373|> the true nature behind the patterns are the rule of their existence. and the rules of their existence is "The ALL"
2731[16:2*.10] <Lurker6*> yeah, you can alwas go one step further, to find more truie nature, if you can find real essence idk, maybe that is your approach of patterns maybe not, i am not sure about that yet
2732[16:30.57] <Lurker6*> maybe patterns are last step, idk, but i believe that we cant really grasp the final step, so that would make me think that there might be something even beyond patterns
2733[16:31.52] <Lurker6*> randomness and infinity are two things that doesnt fit patterns well, but we dont know if they can exist outside of conceptual thought
2734[16:33.53] <|343373|> the patterns and their rules are the last step possible in our 4d universe. everything that is, and that is possible in this universe is only a miniscule part of "The ALL" which is behind the patterns and their rules.
2735[16:38.37] <|343373|> Last step as in, in comprehension.
2736[16:3*.51] <|343373|> The most basic fundamental step in our universe.
2737[16:41.42] <Lurker6*> i assume that your 4d universe predates our known universe that exists since big bang, that would make patterns exist before big bang and before start of our space and our time
2738[16:42.18] <Lurker6*> also 4d univers explains how "almost infinity" can exist in 3d space
2739[16:42.25] <|343373|> For something to be possible, the most important thing is the approach, if the approach is following the purest form possible in our universe then with that approach anything that is possible in our universe becomes possible.
2740[16:42.41] <Lurker6*> by almost infinity i think about never stop expanding
2741[16:43.4*] <|343373|> 4d universe, the 4th-d is space and infinity of 3d in it
2742[16:44.44] <Lurker6*> but there is always posibility that you can see space as 5d, and then your approach that explains everything in 4d would not work anyomore, you would need additional step 
2743[16:44.51] <|343373|> if looking from 5d universe. our 1 4d universe is one of many which we would call parallel universes
2744[16:46.08] <|343373|> does it make more sense now?
2745[16:46.41] <|343373|> 5d has infinity of 4d in it.
2746[16:48.17] <Lurker6*> yeah i understand infinity how in n dimmension could exist if observed from n+1 dimmension
2747[16:48.55] <|343373|> everything in our space can be broken into infinity of 3d you will always find another smaller 3d form. this univrse from inside is expressed purely as 3d. inside 3d there can be infinity of 2d and in 2d infinity of 1d, in 1d infinity of nothing
2748[16:50.22] <|343373|> our mind, thoughts and other things are still electrons(as a standing wave in a unique configuration). which is still 3d form inside a 4d space.
2749[16:52.10] <Lurker6*> it think its called, shore lenght paradox, if you measure a shore of an island very preciselly, so you go around all the bays and peninsulas, then you can go around smaller crevices, then around each grain of sand, then around each atom...; circumference would be approaching infinity in lenght (1d) while surface of island stays constant (2d) 
2750[16:52.48] <|343373|> no it is still 3d
2751[16:53.00] <|343373|> everything in existence inthis universe is 3d
2752[16:53.36] <|343373|> inside the 3d you can have infinity of 2d. but everything that exists in this space has to be 3d
2753[16:54.26] <Lurker6*> shore lenght paradox jsut shows how infinite 1d can exist in 2d, you can extrapolate that to infinate 2d in 3d, or infinate nd in (n+1)d
2754[16:54.28] <|343373|> for existence of 2d there must be a 3d inside which the 2d is
2755[16:55.30] <|343373|> so everything 3d is inside a 4d (we are 3d so our space is 4d)
2756[16:58.53] <|343373|> looking at something in a different dimmension, isnt showing a true dimmension. it just adds same dimmension configuration in a more complex way.
2757[17:00.01] <Lurker6*> in reality you need one more dimmension to fit previous dimmension onto yes, like dot (0d) needs line(1d) to put it on, line(1d) needs surface(2d) to put it on, surface(2d) needs 3d space to put it in ...  
2758[17:00.03] <|343373|> circumference of 3d is in 3d, the circumference of 2d is in 2d.
2759[17:00.20] <|343373|> yes
2760[17:00.34] <|343373|> not a 3d space
2761[17:00.38] <|343373|> a 3d form.
2762[17:00.47] <|343373|> surface needs a form
2763[17:02.00] <|343373|> 3d = form, inside 4d(space, 1 higher level than a form)
2764[17:02.13] <|343373|> (1 higher level than a 3d form*)
2765[17:02.43] <Lurker6*> but in math it works without that one higher dimmension, surface of 2 dimmensional object is 2 dimmensional number, by multiplying two one dimmensional sides of square you get its surface without any need for for including 3d in equation
2766[17:04.04] <|343373|> no you do it in 2d aleady. theres no 2d object. only 3d can be object
2767[17:04.41] <Lurker6*> well its surface not object,  shape is correct term
2768[17:04.55] <|343373|> surface can only be of a form
2769[17:05.05] <|343373|> shape is 3d
2770[17:05.2*] <|343373|> 2d shape is a 2d surface on a 3d shape.
2771[17:08.45] <Lurker6*> yeah but you are materializing it, by putting shape of square on something, if you take only idea of square you can calculate what would its surface be (if it would exist in 3d form)
2772[17:08.4*] <|343373|> "two one dimmensional sides of square" meaning its already 2d on a 3d before you look at the 1d in it.
2773[17:0*.11] <|343373|> figurative terms are 3d too.
2774[17:0*.47] <|343373|> everything in existence is 3d just on a different scale/frequency.
2775[17:10.15] <|343373|> (in existence as in, inside our universe)
2776[17:11.23] <|343373|> "Idea" is a 3d form too.
2777[17:11.46] <|343373|> "understanding", "information"  etc... are all 3d.
2778[17:12.15] <|343373|> "feeling" is 3d too in its nature.
2779[17:13.58] <|343373|> even "posibility" itself is 3d too.
2780[17:14.16] <Lurker6*> "in existance" yes, but math can deal with concepts that dont exist, equation for surface a*a=a^2 doesnt have any 3d part, until you actually try to build material object to represent that surface, then yes you need 3d space to place 2d shape in it
2781[17:14.24] <|343373|> its hard to understand but once you understand the approach it will start to make sense
2782[17:15.52] <|343373|> okay let me correct my self. Anything in existence and not in existence(but is possibility in our universe, including every possible idea) is 3D.
2783[17:16.40] <|343373|> Every possible(if its not possible you wouldnt be able to think of it) concepts is 3d.
2784[17:17.01] <|343373|> concept*
2785[17:18.25] <Lurker6*> if idea and understandin are 3d, is "idea of understanding" 4d form then?
2786[17:18.42] <|343373|> the thing on which the idea/concept exists, be it mind or expression, is the 3d for the idea/concept.
2787[17:1*.13] <|343373|> no
2788[17:1*.1*] <|343373|> its just naother 3d
2789[17:1*.23] <|343373|> another*
2790[17:1*.36] <Lurker6*> i was joking
2791[17:1*.58] <Lurker6*> but dot by itself, as only concept or idea of dot, disregarding its position in space, is 0d
2792[17:1*.58] <|343373|> 3d can infinitly combine and infinitely divide inside a 4d(space)
2793[17:21.05] <|343373|> no, dot is 1d
2794[17:21.22] <|343373|> as a concept
2795[17:21.35] <|343373|> but a 3d in reality.
2796[17:21.52] <|343373|> you look at the 3d dot as 1d
2797[17:21.55] <|343373|> but its still a 3d
2798[17:24.46] <|343373|> but I agree... but a concept must also have a dimension to exist in. just like number base. digits can exist only inside the numeral system base, to up base n-1
2799[17:26.31] <Lurker6*> i agree that dot is 3d in reality, but fundamentally it should be 0d not 1d, at least according to this math theorem:
2800[17:26.32] <|343373|> 1-* are forms inside a space limited to base10. (0 being nothing within the space, the matter of space itself in a fully passive mode)
2801[17:26.47] <Lurker6*> One Dimension: Once you connect two points, you get a one-dimensional object ? a line segment. A line segment has one dimension: length. Two Dimensions: A flat plane or shape is two-dimensional. Its two dimensions are length and width.
2802[17:27.1*] <|343373|> you have 2 dimentions in - aready though
2803[17:27.55] <|343373|> A line must be 2 dimensional.
2804[17:28.30] <Lurker6*> well its just a matter of how you formulate things, but commonly accepted rule in math is that dot is 0d, line 2d, and so on
2805[17:28.41] <|343373|> A dot within the line, must be 1d. and as the dot being the most basic form, theres nothing inside the dot.
2806[17:28.44] <Lurker6*> line 1d*
2807[17:2*.31] <|343373|> most basic something* not form
2808[17:2*.57] <|343373|> That why they hit so many walls and deadends all the time
2809[17:30.04] <|343373|> because their approach is wrong :)
2810[17:30.2*] <Lurker6*> yeah your dimmensinal naming includes condition that observed object must exist, while in mathematical notation that isnt necessary
2811[17:31.18] <|343373|> but it does... it exists in their math...
2812[17:31.26] <|343373|> thats the point of it...
2813[17:31.41] <|343373|> no matter if it exists in physical form or not
2814[17:31.46] <|343373|> it follows the same rules
2815[17:31.57] <|343373|> non physical is just as 3d as physical
2816[17:32.42] <|343373|> physical just means that the matter of space is condensed into a hard matter.
2817[17:33.37] <|343373|> also it exists in their idea already if they thought of it. so its bound by the same rules
2818[17:33.5*] <|343373|> you cant exclude the rules and try to make it work.
2819[17:34.06] <Lurker6*> using different notation for naming dimmensions doesnt change any rules, its just different how they name things, what you call 1d they call 0d, but its the same dimmension in principle
2820[17:35.12] <Lurker6*> they name the dimmension after the  exponent n in (measure of unit)^n
2821[17:36.00] <Lurker6*> cm^2 is 2d for conventional math, cm^3 is 3d
2822[17:36.22] <|343373|> no thats the point. it already doesnt follow the rules if you dont approach it correctly. you will reach a dead end. nstead of getting the right pattern you will get only a portion of it then there will be a deadend with no possibility to continue unless you break throught by force which breaks the right approach even more and creates more deadends
2823[17:37.08] <|343373|> cm^2 is 2d for conventional math, cm^3 is 3d correct.
2824[17:37.20] <|343373|> thats why a dot is 1d
2825[17:3*.3*] <Lurker6*> conventional math: surface > cm^2 is 2d          line >  cm^1 is 1d            dot > cm^0  is 0d   
2826[17:3*.5*] <Lurker6*> your notation: surface > cm^2 is 3d          line >  cm^1 is 2d            dot > cm^0  is 1d   
2827[17:40.06] <Lurker6*> isnt that right?
2828[17:40.48] <|343373|> line is already 2d since you move along a axis.
2829[17:41.25] <|343373|> a dot(1d) does not have a axis to move along.
2830[17:42.45] <|343373|> you have beginning point and end point of the line = you have an axis which has a direction of movement already.
2831[17:43.33] <|343373|> so its a 2d. cm^2 is a complete 2d.
2832[17:44.48] <|343373|> the ability to move in a direction allows it to have x and y
2833[17:45.10] <|343373|> 3d is when it moves outward
2834[17:45.25] <|343373|> 4d when it moves inward(deepening)
2835[17:46.31] <|343373|> inwards as in through
2836[17:46.3*] <|343373|> outwards as in shape
2837[17:48.28] <Lurker6*> yeah i have seen those 4d cube simulations, that are not very helpfull actually since it doesnt work as it is presented in animation
2838[17:4*.18] <|343373|> dot is 1d, cm is 2d, cm^2 is complete 2d. cm^3+(3 or higher than 3) = 3d
2839[17:4*.3*] <|343373|> those are not real 4d
2840[17:4*.42] <|343373|> they are 3d
2841[17:51.11] <|343373|> its very hard to understand 4d...
2842[17:51.42] <|343373|> imagine space expanding inwards and growing(deepening) while the outer form stays the same.
2843[17:51.48] <|343373|> thats pretty much 4d
2844[17:53.46] <Lurker6*> how 3d expands to 4d is same concept of how 2d expands to 3d, you cant use 2d concepts to explain 3d, so 4d actually doesnt expand "inwards" it jsut expands into new space that doesnt exist in 3d
2845[17:53.47] <|343373|> outer form stays the same size while the inside grows(by deepening of its inner space).
2846[17:54.2*] <|343373|> it exists in every form
2847[17:54.34] <Lurker6*> its like jump from real ti imaginary numbers, suddenly you have new propperty that allows new way to grow a number
2848[17:55.05] <|343373|> you seen it in patterns
2849[17:55.38] <|343373|> between patterns can deepen and create a huges space made of patterns
2850[17:55.41] <|343373|> huge*
2851[17:55.5*] <|343373|> and it can do the same backward, it can combine until it becomes nothing
2852[17:56.50] <|343373|> the original pattern stays the same though
2853[17:56.55] <|343373|> it doesnt change in the process
2854[17:57.12] <|343373|> the space inside of it can grow to any size at will
2855[17:57.46] <|343373|> the way that "space" works is the same rules as by which 4d works
2856[18:00.51] <|343373|> 5d is 4d inside 3d, you can do the same with 3d, 2d  and 1d too then it goes back into 0d(nothing) then when you do it with 0d it becomes everything(beyond infinity numberbase n-1)
2857[18:02.02] <|343373|> because its all cyclical and interconnected.
2858[18:03.36] <|343373|> nothing, everything and all dimensions are "The ALL"
2859[18:03.3*] <Lurker6*> hmm i am abit lost at that deepening of inner space of pattern
2860[18:04.14] <Lurker6*> also i dont understand why you used term "complete 2d" for cm^2 ehich represents measure of surface in my world
2861[18:05.07] <Lurker6*> why you dont jump one dimmension up from line to surface, but you jump one dimmensioon up from surface to volume
2862[18:05.10] <|343373|> Ill try to explain it better later kk? dont confuse yourself with this atm.. You should try to focus on LP for now instead of all of these things, because I really dont know what the count down is for. And I wouldnt want you to lose a chance because of all of these talks..
2863[18:06.13] <|343373|> It can be inside if you deepen into a matter. every 2d can grow into a 3d. every 1d can grow into a 2d and a 3d
2864[18:07.00] <|343373|> every 1d, 2d, 3d can be deepened into an inner space (4d)
2865[18:0*.37] <|343373|> the 1d, 2d, 3d will stay the same, they wont change in their appearence when they get deeper, the space 'inside' them will grow deeper though
2866[18:10.26] <|343373|> their outer appearance wont change. their inside will grow.
2867[18:10.33] <|343373|> thats what 4d is
2868[18:11.25] <|343373|> if the 4d parameter is getting higher. (the space can get less deep is the parameter is going lower)
2869[18:11.4*] <|343373|> less deep if*
2870[18:14.41] <Lurker6*> yeah adding new parameter adds new dimmension, thats how i understand dimmensions
2871[18:15.12] <|343373|> every new parameter has all the ones before it inside of it.
2872[18:16.1*] <|343373|> 1* 4d = 1* (x,y,z,a(x,y,z, a(...)))
2873[18:17.08] <|343373|> 1* 5d = 1* (a(x,y,z,a) * infinity)
2874[18:22.13] <|343373|> Inside of our 4d universe we cannot comprehend anything beyond the 5d. and cannot understand anything beyond 4d nor exprerience anything beyond 3d
2875[18:22.44] <|343373|> sec slight typo
2876[18:26.12] <|343373|> Inside of our 4d universe we cannot comprehend anything beyond the 5d. and cannot express anything beyond 4d nor experience anything beyond 3d.
2877[18:26.17] <|343373|> There
2878[18:27.16] <|343373|> "1* 5d = 1* (a(x,y,z,a) * infinity)" is an attempt to express, its impossible to fully express it though... unlike 4d.
2879[18:2*.06] <Lurker6*> shouldnt it be "1* 5d = 1* (b(x,y,z,a) * infinity)"? why would a of 5th dimmension have same value that last parameter of 4th dimmension?
2880[18:2*.35] <|343373|> no its infinity of 4d
2881[18:2*.42] <|343373|> 4d as a form
2882[18:30.14] <|343373|> we cant express it as a form because we can only experience up 3rd as a form
2883[18:30.25] <|343373|> 3d*
2884[18:34.12] <Lurker6*> why are then mutiplying a*(x,y,z,a) then, it should be without first a
2885[18:34.50] <|343373|> a is the parameter of 4d
2886[18:35.3*] <|343373|> there x, y, z *infinity and a(x,y,z) inside each of the xyz parameters.
2887[18:36.07] <|343373|> in 4d
2888[18:37.24] <|343373|> 5d cant be expressed
2889[18:37.50] <|343373|> (by us as 3d forms)
2890[18:3*.06] <|343373|> we can only attempt to express it
2891[18:3*.25] <|343373|> to be able to comprehend it slightly
2892[18:43.52] <|343373|> ... Sigh... Look in solvers... they didnt even read what you explained... LOL...
2893[18:52.47] <Lurker6*> ah well, but it is true that 7/7=? is not intuitive becasue / doesnt present divsion but its more like 7th number in /7 pattern, as i understand it
2894[18:52.56] <Lurker6*> anyways
2895[18:53.1*] <|343373|> it is division, not of whole 1's though.
2896[18:54.00] <|343373|> 7/7 in a not prime division is 1.
2897[18:55.10] <Lurker6*> yeah but in prime division it is 6
2898[18:55.54] <Lurker6*> what do you mean by "not whole ones"? (7*0.***...)/7?
2899[18:55.55] <|343373|> because of how prime division works. they happens in electricity and magnetism too.
2900[18:56.10] <|343373|> happen*
2901[18:57.21] <|343373|> you look at division as subtraction.
2902[18:57.5*] <|343373|> division has subtraction inside of it but it is not subtraction.
2903[18:58.42] <|343373|> 4d(Deepening) uses prime division.
2904[1*:00.04] <|343373|> 4d(space/deepening)*
2905[1*:01.02] <|343373|> "fields" operate using prime and root divisions
2906[1*:04.23] <Lurker6*> also you are talking here strictly about dimensions of space, only parametter you are adding is  measure of distance (2d) and  (surface (complete 2d) , volume (3d), volume*cm (complete 3d or 4d?),...), i notice you are not including time as a dimension, most scientists agree that time is 4th dimension, while string theorists operate with 11 or 26 dimensions by adding more parameters
2907[1*:04.54] <Lurker6*>  i still dont understand your concept of "complete 2d"
2908[1*:05.43] <Lurker6*> is cm^4 complete 3d or 4d?
2909[1*:06.07] <|343373|> Time is a figurative term. theres no time. what is called time is simply the observed difference between processes
2910[1*:06.08] <Lurker6*> or are all cm^n when n>3 just 3d?
2911[1*:06.52] <|343373|> cm^3+ = 3d, cm^4 = 3d, cm^5 = 3d ...
2912[1*:07.04] <|343373|> yes
2913[1*:07.07] <Lurker6*> but you need time for movement, dont you? and acceleration too
2914[1*:07.23] <|343373|> no, you need movement for time difference
2915[1*:07.38] <Lurker6*> without time universe is static
2916[1*:07.44] <|343373|> movement doesnt need time, it is when you have 2 difference movements that you notice "time"
2917[1*:08.32] <Lurker6*> ok you can jump from one place in space to another with infinite acceleration in no time, theoretically
2918[1*:08.41] <|343373|> yes
2919[1*:0*.45] <|343373|> not jump, just move there, by deepening thought a pattern in space
2920[1*:0*.54] <|343373|> thought a connected pattern
2921[1*:0*.5*] <|343373|> all patterns are connected though
2922[1*:10.42] <|343373|> you just control the entering and exiting point inside the point youre in and youll be in the point in space that you want.
2923[1*:11.10] <|343373|> electrons are just 1 energy thats present where its needed
2924[1*:11.33] <|343373|> its everywhere and its nowhere, its a particle and its a wave
2925[1*:12.47] <|343373|> and it is - charged space(or matter of space or 4d coordinate)
2926[1*:15.31] <|343373|> (3) = electron(lack of energy in need for energy to stablize the space), (6) = energy within a proton
2927[1*:20.54] <|343373|> Electron is a swallowing(-, negative charge) force that surrounds the proton(+, positive charge)
2928[1*:22.50] <|343373|> Neutron is an active (*), while Space is a passive (*)
2929[1*:25.18] <Lurker6*> what about quarks?
2930[1*:27.17] <Lurker6*> also you claim that gravity or spherical planets dont exist, yet you are fine with subatomical particles as explained by conventional chemistry
2931[1*:27.43] <|343373|> Thats another pattern or maneral system at that point
2932[1*:27.48] <|343373|> numeral*
2933[1*:28.23] <Lurker6*> but never mind that, try to enlighten me on "complete n-dimension"
2934[1*:28.30] <Lurker6*> dot is 1d (only beginning point but no axis to move along), length (cm) is 2d (because it has direction and movement along just 1 axis), then surface (cm^2) is "complete 2d" (because it has 2 directions and movement covering whole 2d infinite plane); and volume (cm^3) is 3d or "complete 3d"? (because its should have 4d (3 directions and movement); i dont get why cm is 2d, cm^2 is "complete 2d" and cm^3 is 3d; it seems inconsistent, jump from cm to cm^2 has same nature as jump from cm^2 to cm^3, yet you dont add another full dimension to first jump
2935[1*:28.33] <|343373|> Hey I never said that their view on electrons, protons and neutrons is right
2936[1*:2*.1*] <|343373|> I just said electrons are a space swallowing force thats is everywhere and surrounds all positive charge trying to get it to stabilize itself
2937[1*:31.35] <|343373|> okay ill do it this way...anything that is only 1 can only be 1d, do you agree?
2938[1*:32.08] <|343373|> something taht is only the most primitive 1
2939[1*:32.10] <|343373|> that*
2940[1*:32.15] <|343373|> 1d
2941[1*:32.20] <|343373|> do you agree?
2942[1*:33.01] <Lurker6*> yes
2943[1*:33.41] <|343373|> anything that is more than 1 no matter by how much nor how small but less than 2, is 2d because its no longer that "1"
2944[1*:34.01] <|343373|> do you agree?
2945[1*:35.16] <Lurker6*> ok
2946[1*:36.01] <|343373|> anything that is ^2 but not yet ^3 is 2d, do you agree?
2947[1*:43.30] <|343373|> anything that is ^3 is 3d, do you agree? anything that is ^n>3 is the same 3d in another angle/perspective/configuration/position, makes it still a 3d do you agree? Can you express 4d as a form to show a 4th dimension of something and not a 3d of it? (in this universe where form can exist only up to 3d, once its 3d no matter how many axes or face positions you give it it will stay the same 3d)
2948[1*:44.34] <|343373|> Does that make it a little more clear?
2949[1*:44.5*] <Lurker6*> i am trying to wrap my head around it
2950[1*:46.12] <Lurker6*> at jump from 1d to 2d condition was that it is less than two,  now you are multiplying ^2... if you multiply numbers that are less then two you can get more than 2
2951[1*:46.57] <|343373|> its not jumping, its starting at a 1d and gradually growing into 3d then staying in the 3d form because its the most stable form in this universe
2952[1*:47.3*] <|343373|> theres no condition of less than 2
2953[1*:47.58] <|343373|> i just said it to make more that its less than 2 still but no longer a 1
2954[1*:51.54] <|343373|> i mean it as, its 2d even if its less than 2, because its already more than 1.
2955[1*:52.51] <Lurker6*> so 1d doesnt have any interval it exists only at precisely 1, 2d has interval from 1 up to n^3, and 3d has interval from n^3 up to n^n
2956[1*:53.0*] <|343373|> yes
2957[1*:53.17] <|343373|> exactly
2958[1*:54.33] <Lurker6*> thats quote different than convention understanding of dimensions where adding new  measurable parameter no matter which one adds another dimension
2959[1*:54.44] <|343373|> I know that
2960[20:01.28] <|343373|> mathematically a good example of it would be base4(as 4d), you have 1, 2 and 3 but once you reach 3(3d), no matter what number you multiply by it you will have dr 3(3d) 
2961[20:02.0*] <|343373|> just like * in a base10
2962[20:04.33] <Lurker6*> aham
2963[20:04.58] <|343373|> makes sense now?
2964[20:07.43] <Lurker6*> yeah
2965[20:08.06] <|343373|> kk good, now throw that aside for now, it has nothing to do with LP atm what so ever...
2966[20:0*.07] <|343373|> (with 3301 idk, but its not related to LP)
2967[20:10.32] <|343373|> We can talk about these things next month if you want, or if you decide to give up on solving LP before then, because idk what will happen once the countdown is over, and I dont want to misdirect you with these talks.. lol
2968[20:12.46] <Lurker6*> its just fun to play with concepts and different views on things
2969[20:13.13] <|343373|> Oh kk
2970[20:15.07] <Lurker6*> but i dont agree with you on everything, i am never buying idea that flight over north pole is in any way different than flight over south pole
2971[20:15.32] <|343373|> over the POLE is same
2972[20:15.54] <|343373|> over the hemisphere is different
2973[20:16.52] <|343373|> both poles have the same magneic *0 degree radius
2974[20:17.41] <|343373|> the south pole space is 'abit' more squeezed than the north one though
2975[20:20.03] <Lurker6*> magnetic field around the earth is determined by the way earth spins, if it would be spinnig in oposite direction N could be where today S is, plus magnetic poles was reversed in history many times
2976[20:21.10] <Lurker6*> magnetic field of earth doesnt have much to do with fabric of space, it is just a product of spinning earth with fluid core that causes effect similar to electrical generatror
2977[20:22.17] <|343373|> "magnetic field of earth" is a by product of the bending of space
2978[20:22.26] <Lurker6*> and due to heat convection in earth core think also
2979[20:23.36] <|343373|> Sorry I will not go into details about this again so lets just agree to disagree for now, because its too much to explain for it to make enough sense and Im too tired for it today
2980[20:24.51] <Lurker6*> does space bends around every other object in space too? or around small spere you can hold in hand? and what about other shapes like cube? 
2981[20:25.08] <|343373|> yes around every object
2982[20:25.2*] <|343373|> around from outside of that objects energy field
2983[20:27.27] <|343373|> more soft structured and connected the object is the more sphere shaped it will be.
2984[20:28.31] <Lurker6*> and what determines the direction of magnetic field of earth then? when magnetic field of earth was reversed that would call for reverse direction of space wrapping too
2985[20:2*.33] <|343373|> the harder(condensed) and more connected the object is, the more flat or crystallized the object will be.
2986[20:2*.5*] <Lurker6*> yeah sphere can fit the most volume in the least surface, thats why water drops, cells, planets... tend to be spherical
2987[20:30.22] <Lurker6*> and crystal stuctures have straight ages and faces
2988[20:30.34] <Lurker6*> at least there we agree
2989[20:30.50] <|343373|> the more water you have the more flat it will try to be
2990[20:33.47] <|343373|> in 0 gravity the water wont float like they show, it can get spherical shape only if external pressure from all sides is applied.
2991[20:34.0*] <Lurker6*> but water is soft and connected at room temperatures, it should form spere shapes according to your pevious statement
2992[20:34.25] <|343373|> in 0 gravity the water would split in all directions like in vacuum
2993[20:34.48] <Lurker6*> 0 gravity, water forms sphere at 0 gravity due to surfice tension, at leat thats what i have bee ntaught
2994[20:34.58] <|343373|> it forms sphere the closer it is for boiling point.
2995[20:35.07] <|343373|> to boiling point*
2996[20:35.27] <|343373|> or if it cant touch anything
2997[20:37.33] <|343373|> Ive already experimented with 0gravity, it doesnt behave the way you were taught. the videos from space use air pressured chamber to get the floating sphere/bubble effect.
2998[20:38.00] <Lurker6*> but i thing that if you add drop of water to bigger ball of watter in 0 gravity it gets consumed, sort of like marcury if you play wit it tends to form one round drop, until it reaches boiling point,
2999[20:38.42] <|343373|> in 0 gravity there should be 0 pressure.
3000[20:3*.02] <|343373|> (0 outside pressure)
3001[20:3*.14] <Lurker6*> there is also evaporation which is more like you are explaining
3002[20:3*.18] <|343373|> you need the pressure to have a sphere
3003[20:3*.54] <Lurker6*> and at 0 pressure there is alot of evaporation, since nothing is pushing on water molecules
3004[20:40.11] <Lurker6*> and yes for surface tension i think you need some outside pressure
3005[20:40.1*] <|343373|> You do it within our atmosphere... thats why you get those effects
3006[20:40.54] <|343373|> in "0" gravity it would act different.
3007[20:41.00] <|343373|> but the thing is...
3008[20:41.04] <|343373|> theres no "gravity"
3009[20:43.03] <|343373|> its a different effect. its a magnetic sychronized frequency effect. once you desynchronize it or flip its polarity, the object will appear will have the thing you'd call "anti gravity" effect
3010[20:44.0*] <|343373|> will appear to have/will have*
3011[20:46.31] <Lurker6*> i dont really believe that egyptians were able to made thair stones float, but i can see that in universe that is accelerating at expansion there is some other force opposite of gravity involved, dark energy as its called
3012[20:50.01] <Lurker6*> but two objects of matter in space, that are curving the time and space around eacother attracts each other with some force, we can call that force gravity and it actually exists, what trully causes it is different question to which dont have answer yet, could be synchronized frequency, i dont know much about string theory and i havent seen any deeper theories so i wont go deep into that
3013[20:50.07] <|343373|> Just call it "ether" its the passive (*) or matetr of space itself
3014[20:50.13] <|343373|> matter*
3015[20:51.56] <Lurker6*> actually they recently experimentally proved existance of gravitational waves, didnt they? they observed two black holes coliding and detected minute fluctuation in space time here on earth because of it
3016[20:54.32] <|343373|> Science complicated things into something that cannot be fully confirm other than in their model that is based on their theories and say the rest is mystery that they cant explain because its "dark matter"  for no reason... well.. more like so that their theories dont get falsified...
3017[20:55.22] <Lurker6*> LIGO is the labaratory that uses laser to measure distance in two *0° apart directions, and in one way distance fluctuated a bit
3018[20:56.13] <Lurker6*> so yeah gravity has something to do with waves and frequncies as everything other does
3019[20:56.1*] <|343373|> thats not gravitational waves as the ones they say affect the planet. those are just huge (3)(negative changed) holes that try to swallow energy to neutralize themselves
3020[20:56.41] <Lurker6*> and yes you are right dark matter and dark force are just names for things we can detect but cant explain yet
3021[20:57.44] <|343373|> (negative charged*
3022[20:58.51] <|343373|> "gravity"(pulling force) has everything to do with frequencies
3023[21:00.41] <|343373|> the question you gotta ask is frequencies of what.
3024[21:01.25] <Lurker6*> yes, gravitational waves around planets have bigger amplitudes, but they are also waves, detection of this slight fluctuation proved that gravity has same properties as any other waves for first time
3025[21:02.06] <|343373|> it is the synchronized magnetic frequency difference between matter of space and the condensed matter of space (plane)
3026[21:03.36] <|343373|> that magnetic pulse allows the more condensed matter to attract the less condensed matter by magnetic impulses.
3027[21:05.4*] <|343373|> the less condensed the less effect the impulse has, the more condesed the more effect, because more matter is affected.
3028[21:05.5*] <|343373|> condensed*
3029[21:0*.53] <|343373|> as in, more condensed the more ability to attract less condensed. while less condensed is less affected by the impulse of the more condensed. in the end both the more condesed and the less condensed get affected the same, as long as they are less dense than the matter thats pulling them to it.
3030[21:13.20] <|343373|> if the dense matter is flat then the impulse will be equally distributed along its surface in a straight beam outwards behavior and every point will attract with roughly the same force.
3031[21:14.13] <|343373|> There are points where the bending of space can affect and neutralize the impulse effect sometimes.
3032[21:17.30] <|343373|> These impulses are happening constantly. and are also responsible for magnetic poles of everything.
3033[21:27.05] <Lurker6*> gravity is some sort of tension between empty space and condensed space (matter), bigger mass bigger force, bigger distance smaller force, size of the force is probably connected to amplitude or frequency of gravitational waves, there might be even some constant "carrier signal" which provides possibility of propagation of gravitational information, frequency of carrier wave in this case must come from some other property of fabric of space/time, i would expect that frequency is constant through whole universe
3034[21:27.1*] <Lurker6*> but your theory also makes sense
3035[21:28.55] <Lurker6*> i am not sure if gravity and magnetism are the same thing, gravity seems to be the most influnced by mass, while magnetic properties of material can vastly differ from material to material no matter the density
3036[21:2*.37] <|343373|> Distence doesnt affect the attraction force. at any point within the attraction(impulse) field the effect will be the same
3037[21:2*.42] <Lurker6*> also we can make magnetic fields with electricty, and opposite, while we havent found the way to use gravity in the same way
3038[21:2*.53] <|343373|> Distance*
3039[21:31.21] <Lurker6*> but attraction force between two bodies is smalle when distance gets bigger, sun from far away galaxy that is bigger than our sun hardly influeces earth at all, while our smaller sun that is closer keeps us circling around it
3040[21:31.53] <|343373|> its the same thing... you just adjust the resonant frequency to the frequency of the object you want to affect, with comparison to the fequency of the planes(earths) magnetic impulse
3041[21:32.40] <|343373|> the sun cant affect the earth
3042[21:32.42] <Lurker6*> thats if gravity is propagating from spherical object, gravity from straignt plane would be constant i guess
3043[21:32.44] <|343373|> the space doesnt move
3044[21:33.08] <|343373|> the bending of space moves
3045[21:33.15] <|343373|> space it self stays still the whole time
3046[21:35.06] <Lurker6*> doesnt it expands exponentialy? space between galaxies is expanding, we can measure distances getting bigger in every direction with same speed 
3047[21:35.20] <|343373|> no the space deepens
3048[21:35.38] <|343373|> its always equal and not affected by the deepening
3049[21:36.34] <|343373|> youre looking through a bent lens so it appears as if they move apart
3050[21:38.30] <Lurker6*> well distances between galaxies are getting bigger, we are explaining this as expansion of space
3051[21:3*.00] <|343373|> its deepening in the center, the outer circumference of the universe stays the same
3052[21:3*.06] <Lurker6*> and it doesnt matter if our lens are bent, as long as they are constantly bent they we should detect movement if there is one
3053[21:3*.40] <Lurker6*> doesnt outer cicumference expands with speed of light?
3054[21:3*.45] <|343373|> no
3055[21:41.31] <|343373|> The very center point of the universe gets deeper and deeper so theres 'more' space but the space outside of the center isnt affected
3056[21:42.14] <Lurker6*> so light doesnt travel out of already set limits of our universe? if outer cimcumferense stays the same then universe is limited by its size
3057[21:42.31] <Lurker6*> oh, yeah that could be the case, its expandin on the "inside"
3058[21:42.3*] <|343373|> why would it? if it did this world wouldve died by now
3059[21:43.2*] <|343373|> exactly... its expandin on the "inside"
3060[21:44.56] <Lurker6*> why would world die by now? you mean that everything would just dissipate outside if there would be no borders?
3061[21:45.42] <|343373|> if the energy would keep flowing out, the effect would keep multiplying then there would be no energy left for anything to exist...
3062[21:45.50] <|343373|> its like 0gravity - pressure
3063[21:45.56] <|343373|> 0pressure*
3064[21:46.15] <|343373|> everything tried to convert from solid to energy
3065[21:46.1*] <|343373|> tries*
3066[21:46.42] <|343373|> solid would not be able to exist
3067[21:47.15] <Lurker6*> yeah, but isnt that exactly what is happening according to accelerating expansion of the universe theory, we are slowly (well always faster) evaporating into nothingness
3068[21:47.18] <|343373|> there must be a fixed boundary thats applying a pressure on the inside by reflection 
3069[21:48.14] <|343373|> otherwise a solid form cannot happen
3070[21:4*.07] <Lurker6*> but how do you explain that light that starts on earth never reaches outer border of universe then? is it becasue we are pulled "inside" so fat that light cant leave the place where it started?
3071[21:4*.25] <Lurker6*> so fast*
3072[21:50.20] <Lurker6*> i mean light should always travel with same speed in empty space, and should never stop, so it cant never reach border of  universe
3073[21:51.12] <|343373|> energy is emitted from the center outwards as a result of the deepening, it gets reflected by the outer boundary allowing density to exist
3074[21:51.1*] <Lurker6*> reaching border would mean it stops, and it can stop only if it hits some opaque matter, and border of space cant be made of matter
3075[21:54.05] <|343373|> light(/energy) is less dense particle, its affected by the magnetic impulse just like matter and mostly stays as a standing wave in the atmosphere and is either condensed into electricity transformed into magnetic force
3076[21:55.02] <|343373|> also the earth plane is almost infinity time bigger than what we think our planet is
3077[21:56.04] <|343373|> also the distances we see in outer space are not the true distances, they are an effect of the atmophere acting as a magnifying lens
3078[21:56.25] <|343373|> and also space bending lens at is
3079[21:56.28] <|343373|> at it*
3080[21:57.12] <Lurker6*> so outside of universe there is some force that reflects all energy back inside? including light, thermal radiation and such... idk, based on expansion we can observe density of energy is getting lower and lower, now if that is product of expanding univers on the outside or deepening on the inside... effect is the same, we are gonna get pulled appart eventually 
3081[21:57.26] <|343373|> the border of the universe yes
3082[21:57.46] <|343373|> think of the universe as a perfect sphere
3083[21:58.06] <|343373|> due to the space bending effect
3084[21:58.27] <Lurker6*> we measure distances with telescopes on satelites that arent affected by atmoshere
3085[21:58.45] <|343373|> but in relaity its 4dimensional... you cant express a 4d force so its not possible to explain it atm
3086[21:58.52] <|343373|> reality*
3087[21:5*.3*] <|343373|> Lurker...
3088[22:00.48] <|343373|> Hubble Space Telescope doesnt exist. the rest are from within the atmosphere... also they all use only Near-infrared, visible light, ultraviolet. not photo.
3089[22:01.0*] <|343373|> they cant even be sure if they see a planet or a star really, it just a theory
3090[22:01.46] <Lurker6*> now you will say that there are no satellites and we never been on moon?
3091[22:02.45] <|343373|> did you know that GPS is on ground system that uses atmospheric relfection?
3092[22:03.28] <Lurker6*> how does TV, internt and GPS work then? and since its true i havent seen hubble telescope, i think that to claim it doesnt exist is pretty bald
3093[22:04.55] <Lurker6*> GPS doesnt use atmospheric reflection, only extremmely low frequency waves can do that, until GPS ships far from land didnt have any signal at all
3094[22:06.16] <|343373|> Huge 'Satellite' dishes that dont receive but emit frequencies reflecting them off the atmosphere to a huge radius...
3095[22:08.13] <|343373|> you cant send any kind of frequency to outside of the autmosphere.
3096[22:08.43] <|343373|> it gets trapped where the magnetic impulese('gravity') ends
3097[22:08.53] <|343373|> impulse*
3098[22:0*.38] <|343373|> you can only reflect it off it back to th earth
3099[22:11.3*] <|343373|> you cant fully leave the atmosphere without first cancelling you resonance with the impulse
3100[22:11.48] <|343373|> your*
3101[22:12.10] <Lurker6*> you can send light from earth through atmoshere just fine, atmoshere is not something spectacular its just thin  gas cloud sorrounding the planet, thats like claiming that if point flashlight from below the water you cant detect light on surface
3102[22:13.15] <Lurker6*> how can light penetrate the other way then, from sun and stars to surface?
3103[22:13.36] <Lurker6*> and we measure distance to the moon with laser, but you can say that just isnt true
3104[22:14.05] <|343373|> because its not in contact with the standing impulse
3105[22:14.21] <|343373|> once it becomes in contact the light gets trapped
3106[22:15.44] <|343373|> Sorry, lets just agree to disagree... :/
3107[22:18.10] <|343373|> If you want proof then research lightning sprites a bit. youll get what I mean then.
3108[22:1*.23] <Lurker6*> ok i have to go now anyways, see ya later
3109[22:1*.35] <|343373|> cya
3110[20:40.46] <|343373|> Any news?
3111[20:42.40] <Lurker6*> hi
3112[20:42.44] <Lurker6*> not much
3113[20:43.35] <Lurker6*> w1cwra1th got a little into patterns, but we didnt get far
3114[20:45.21] <|343373|> kk
3115[20:46.42] <|343373|> someone msged me saying ppl wanted to talk to me on solvers or something, that person isnt on so idk what its about...
3116[20:51.15] <Lurker6*> ill try to put few more pages of 0-17 into numbers to get what you called "whole first cipher pattern/encription"
3117[20:52.01] <Lurker6*> yeah it was form that discussion, they figured out that aptterns might lead somewhere and few were  pinging you in channel, but i guess you were not online
3118[20:54.13] <Lurker6*> they all want to go straignt to finding that onion you said is hidden in hex, three characters thing, and i was not able to convince them that there is no point in trying it  before we solve LP
3119[21:02.47] <|343373|> Not only you cant find the addresses for the onion without the LP but even if you get the jpg its useless to you till finish page 55.jpg of 00-57.. lol
3120[21:04.45] <Lurker6*> if i understood correctly, that onion from hex sting is one with 3301.jpg/mp3 that we already have since you or whoever posted link to file on /x/
3121[21:05.03] <|343373|> yes
3122[21:05.18] <Lurker6*> but there is another onion, the one with rules, that is also in LP, i guess thats the one that is hashed on second to last page
3123[21:05.27] <|343373|> but its useless to you unless you understand few things about it from the LP
3124[21:05.54] <Lurker6*> or LP doesnt lead to rules onion at all?
3125[21:05.54] <|343373|> You get the rules page after the 3301.jpg
3126[21:06.42] <|343373|> There are 2 ways to get to the rules page there actually.. one with and one without the jpg
3127[21:07.18] <Lurker6*> ok, so hashed onion on page 56 is one with 3301.jpg or one with rules?
3128[21:07.5*] <|343373|> more than 1 onion
3129[21:0*.05] <|343373|> the fake jpg(gif), the real jpg, the rules page and something else
3130[21:12.40] <Lurker6*> what is actually hashed there? one onion address or all of those addresse you mentioned? LP sasy "it exists A page that hashes to"
3131[21:20.55] <|343373|> Well lets say its a 1 SHA-512 hash page. but its related to all the others.
3132[21:23.00] <|343373|> Worry about it when you get to 55.jpg
3133[21:28.41] <Lurker6*> 'related'  ?_? 
3134[21:2*.27] <|343373|> LOL just nvm, it may and may not be just 1 hash. nvm it for now.
3135
3136[06:08:4*] <|343373|> any news?
3137[06:3*:50] <Lurker6*> hi
3138[06:42:03] <Lurker6*> no epiphany yet, but i am eliminating possibilities
3139[06:44:10] <Lurker6*> ether8unny found some few intersting things, but doesnt seem to be too helpful
3140[06:45:22] <Lurker6*> digital roots of all runes comes as 1, 4, 2, 8, 5, 7, and few 3s, when you consider their prime values
3141[06:45:50] <Lurker6*> but thats no big surprize since prime values cant have digital root 3 6 or *
3142[06:46:02] <Lurker6*> with exception of  prime 3
3143[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 26. junij 2016}
3144[05:32:15] <-- |343373| (~343373@unaffiliated/343373/x-3874142) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
3145[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 27. junij 2016}
3146[05:45:53] <|343373|> Hey did you atleast find the first pattern? (of the first 17 pages?)
3147[05:46:45] <Lurker6*> hi
3148[05:46:57] <Lurker6*> yeah i know all about first 17 pages now
3149[05:47:15] <Lurker6*> am looking at magic squares for past two days, but haven found any connection yet
3150[05:48:25] <|343373|> You found the pattern that goes from the first page to the last of the first 17 though? (the whole connected patetrn?)
3151[05:48:32] <|343373|> pattern*
3152[05:4*:26] <Lurker6*> well i dont know how to put pages to pattern but i understand encryption of every single page and rune
3153[05:50:18] <|343373|> I mean the pattern those pages cipher follows
3154[05:51:18] <|343373|> (without the keys/key words)
3155[05:51:47] <Lurker6*> i have written down encryptions in few different ways, but no apparent pattern jumps to me
3156[05:52:11] <|343373|> ... :/
3157[05:52:58] <Lurker6*> like DIUINITY one has shifts (that gors to runes in ciphertext) for 6 1* 28 1* 20 1* 13 3
3158[05:54:21] <Lurker6*> and FIRFUMFERENFE one has 2* 1* 25 2* 28 10 2* 11 25 11 20 2* 11
3159[05:55:3*] <Lurker6*> both have few shifts that repeat few times (1* at first one and 2* at second) for some time, but not thole time
3160[05:56:22] <|343373|> So you have found the pattern yet...
3161[05:56:26] <|343373|> havent*
3162[05:57:25] <Lurker6*> and that cipher is applied for pages 5, 6 and 15, 16
3163[05:57:30] <Lurker6*> no i havent :(
3164[05:57:45] <|343373|> try to look for both + and - directions, sometimes it can go +-+-+-..... and sometimes it can go ++--++--... or maybe even ++-+--+-++-........
3165[05:5*:11] <Lurker6*> hmm
3166[05:5*:48] <|343373|> (the + - direction pattern must be constant/fixed pattern that repeats in cycles though)
3167[06:01:38] <|343373|> Im giving you a huge hint there btw, Im not sure if its okay for me to say that much, but meh... Just keep it to yourself for now...(or atleast until you find the pattern yourself)
3168[06:03:06] <Lurker6*> ok, so direction can change
3169[06:10:04] <|343373|> It has to change to find the pattern ^^
3170[06:11:12] <|343373|> Otherwise it would be too easy wouldnt it? (normally you wouldnt think of combining directions into a pattern would you? :P )
3171[06:18:41] <Lurker6*> no i havent think about changing directions in single cipher until now, now i have few more possibilities
3172[06:24:12] <|343373|> kk good :)
3173[06:43:24] <Lurker6*> what did you mean by >is not safe nor secure, but a signature..
3174[06:43:38] <Lurker6*> are you implaying that signature is safe and secure?
3175[06:43:54] <Lurker6*> or that encryption is nothing more than signature?
3176[06:46:18] <|343373|> any encryption is nothing more than signature, math is 100% cyclical.
3177[07:17:23] <Lurker6*> i quit
3178[07:17:51] <Lurker6*> i am not seeing patterns in those two vigenere ciphers, but i am not equipped to recognize patterns in base 30 anyways, i need to rewrite my notes to excel later
3179[07:18:26] <|343373|> k.. :/
3180[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 28. junij 2016}
3181[1*:01:08] <|343373|> *3 > 36*36*36*, *6 > 63*63*63*, ** > *********
3182[1*:01:34] <|343373|>  /3 > 36* 6*3 147 471 714 258 582 825 36*
3183[1*:02:04] <|343373|>  /6 > 741 3*6 528 63* 852 174 285 417 63*
3184[1*:50:22] <|343373|> ... Lol just give me access, ill correct it
3185[1*:50:47] <|343373|> oh good nvm
3186[1*:51:35] <Lurker6*> i am already fixing it, but ill give you access anyways
3187[1*:51:47] <|343373|> still wrong actually, the order of the digits is wrong
3188[1*:52:55] <|343373|> 3,6,* 6,*,3 1,4,7 4,7,1 7,1,4 2,5,8 5,8,2 8,2,5 3,6,*
3189[1*:53:17] <|343373|> 7,4,1 3,*,6 5,2,8 6,3,* 8,5,2 1,7,4 2,8,5 4,1,7 6,3,*
3190[1*:54:58] <|343373|> (also if you combine these 2 rows youll get 1's 3's, 6's, *'s and 7's
3191[1*:55:01] <|343373|> )
3192[1*:58:20] <|343373|> kk thanks for the access
3193[20:01:21] <|343373|> Oh you took the access away? O.o
3194[20:01:44] <Lurker6*> i gave it only to you now, earlier i opened it for everybody
3195[20:01:58] <Lurker6*> now i seen your email ynd you should have access
3196[20:02:2*] <|343373|> oh kk thanks
3197[20:03:45] <|343373|> I will correct if there will be any major errors that I should be able to correct
3198[20:04:28] <Lurker6*> i am going afk atm, ill be back later, i need to add *n table to it and note that those two tables are /n
3199[20:05:36] <|343373|> Yup
3200[20:05:51] <|343373|> for both base10 and base30
3201[20:46:52] <|343373|> wait.... why did you use "343373" in your email?! *stares*
3202[20:53:11] <Lurker6*> lol, becasue i know how revelaing google docs are, i made account just for this patterns sheet and since i had to add some number to account anyways i put your number there becasue patterns idea came from you anyways
3203[20:54:10] <|343373|> i see
3204[20:54:42] <Lurker6*> note that since you are editor now, i think that other users can see your name, not sure about email though
3205[20:55:18] <|343373|> doesnt matter
3206[20:57:45] <|343373|> theres access open for everyone atm it seems
3207[20:58:45] <|343373|> or not...
3208[20:58:57] <Lurker6*> yeah i tried it, to see if anoynmous users can see editors emails when its open... O.o they can see both our emails when document is open
3209[20:5*:14] <Lurker6*> opsec in google docs is terrible
3210[20:5*:34] <|343373|> lol
3211[21:01:38] <|343373|> doesnt matter, that email is not important really and Im on few layers of vpns atm anyway
3212[21:03:54] <Lurker6*> i am using different nicks and emails on every network/project, compartmentalizing is smart to cover your tracks a little bit
3213[21:04:18] <|343373|> :)
3214[21:07:0*] <|343373|> Btw did you already find how Totient Function is related to the patterns(especially the prime division ones)? I forgot if you ever said anything about Totient Function in relation to it.
3215[21:08:57] <Lurker6*> not yet, i am keeping it on my mind
3216[21:12:17] <|343373|> just read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_totient_function , it will make a lot of sense
3217[23:44:18] <|343373|> Copy it to the whole 2*2 to 28*28
3218[23:45:07] <|343373|> copy, select starting that 4 to 28*2*
3219[23:45:11] <|343373|> then enter
3220[23:45:28] <|343373|> i mean 2**28
3221[23:51:18] <|343373|> nvm I done it
3222[23:58:05] <|343373|> Do you want the *n table or do you want the pattern grid like you did with /n ?
3223[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 2*. junij 2016}
3224[01:20:1*] <|343373|> Nevermind, I finished it
3225[01:52:15] <|343373|> Want me to explain the fx command?
3226[01:52:34] <Lurker6*> thx man
3227[01:52:45] <Lurker6*> yeah wahts fx supposed to be?
3228[01:52:57] <|343373|> its a command for it to do the calculation for you
3229[01:53:12] <|343373|> for example here ill make a small one
3230[01:54:34] <Lurker6*> i see it just produces *n table
3231[01:56:05] <|343373|> now after you made that 1 just select it and drag the blue box down
3232[01:56:2*] <|343373|> then select the whole row and drag it to the right
3233[01:56:51] <|343373|> it will be bound to the value you set
3234[01:57:30] <|343373|> so if you want to kill the command/function copy the whole thing and paste just the value in right click special paste
3235[01:58:14] <|343373|> Paste Special*
3236[01:5*:02] <|343373|> Look below the art
3237[01:5*:28] <|343373|> I made one for you to play with lol
3238[01:5*:32] <Lurker6*> yeah you can use that formula to autogenerate mod(x*y, 2*) table
3239[01:5*:44] <Lurker6*> i used it on totient sheet
3240[01:5*:53] <|343373|> oh kk
3241[02:00:28] <|343373|> I was wondering if you know how or not because you suddenly stopped at the multiplication table
3242[02:00:31] <|343373|> :P
3243[02:01:40] <|343373|> I deleted the mini table I under the art since you already know how it works
3244[02:02:11] <|343373|> -extremely tired-
3245[02:02:40] <|343373|> How do you like the art? :)
3246[02:03:13] <Lurker6*> you mean patterns of 2 and 2*? they look awesome
3247[02:03:47] <|343373|> That butterfly or cicada :D
3248[02:04:3*] <Lurker6*> yeah, it forms nice hiperbola
3249[02:04:41] <Lurker6*> btw i havent find any repeating pattern at totient function in first 500 values for totiesnts of n(1-500) or p(2-3571)
3250[02:0*:27] <|343373|> what do you mean by not repeating?
3251[02:11:17] <Lurker6*> when you said if i noticed how totient function is related to prime division patterns i expected that it will show some repeating pattern in each cycle, like /n and *n patterns do
3252[02:11:50] <Lurker6*> but in first 500 totients repeatin doesnt occur 
3253[02:13:01] <|343373|> Thats not what I was talking about...
3254[02:13:05] <Lurker6*> which is sort of expected, since primes nor totients should form any repeating predictable pattern
3255[02:13:40] <|343373|> Predictable yes, it does follow a pattern but it doesnt repeat as digits for a long time
3256[02:18:48] <|343373|> Try to play with it like youve done with the /n base30 it should make it more obvious then
3257[02:1*:30] <Lurker6*> ok
3258[02:20:03] <Lurker6*> i need to get some sleep first
3259[02:20:31] <|343373|> kk
3260[02:22:03] <Lurker6*> by "it" at "play with it", you mean totient function of whole numbers (n) or primes (p)? 
3261[02:22:26] <Lurker6*> i guess both might produce some interesting art
3262[02:26:35] <|343373|> btw what you did at n/1-2* is inda wrong order
3263[02:26:40] <|343373|> kinda*
3264[02:26:58] <|343373|> idk why you called it /1 /2 /3 /4 ...... plainly
3265[02:28:35] <Lurker6*> yeah i know, starting points are not correct, i planned to state that somewhere
3266[02:28:48] <|343373|> lol
3267[02:28:55] <Lurker6*> starting with 1 was fastest way to generate the table
3268[02:2*:24] <|343373|> ...
3269[02:2*:50] <|343373|> How sure are you taht its the correct table though?
3270[02:2*:52] <|343373|> :)
3271[02:2*:58] <|343373|> that*
3272[02:31:20] <|343373|> What you created there is a kind of a magic square, rather then /n base 30 patterns
3273[02:31:2*] <|343373|> than*
3274[02:31:42] <Lurker6*> at /2 distance between 1 and 2 should be 2, at /7 distance between 1 and 2 should be 7, at /28 distance between 1 and 2 should be 28
3275[02:32:57] <|343373|> Basic patterns start the same though
3276[02:33:08] <Lurker6*> i didnt yet think about how to determine starting point of  patterns in fractions in base 30
3277[02:33:13] <|343373|> all you do in a higher numeral system is add more digits
3278[02:33:4*] <|343373|> the pattern will be longer and more of the same pattern
3279[02:34:18] <|343373|> but yeah
3280[02:34:43] <Lurker6*> i dont know exactly how to calculate digits after 'decimal' point for 1/2* in base 30
3281[02:34:5*] <Lurker6*> since 1/15 is 0.5 in base 30
3282[02:35:21] <Lurker6*> i need to wrap my brain around it a little bit
3283[02:36:02] <Lurker6*> also primes that are full reptend in base 30 are not the same as ones that are full reptend in base 10, at least i think so
3284[02:36:18] <|343373|> Ill make a base 30 division table for you later I guess
3285[02:36:36] <Lurker6*> in base 15, 7 is not full reptend prime since 1/7=0,5 for example
3286[02:36:4*] <|343373|> I dont have mine saved because I didnt need it anymore
3287[02:37:20] <|343373|> Was cleaning pc and deleted by mistake was too lazy to make another one
3288[02:37:38] <|343373|> yup
3289[02:37:43] <|343373|> the patterns
3290[02:37:45] <|343373|> slide
3291[02:37:4*] <|343373|> to other digits
3292[02:38:25] <|343373|> the same patterns stay though... as you can see at the multiplication table I made
3293[02:3*:20] <Lurker6*> also can you just use that property, where in base 10, pattern of *2 is the same as pattern of /4, reversed and * moved to the front (i think you called that -1 infinity)
3294[02:3*:53] <|343373|> I mean your table is correct by theres a slight derp there
3295[02:40:28] <Lurker6*> does it shifts only for '1 infinity' when you convert from *n to /m in every base system?
3296[02:41:12] <|343373|> Prime division shifts by 1 infinity yes
3297[02:41:44] <|343373|> in base it will start with 2* like in base 10 as *
3298[02:42:25] <Lurker6*> i am not talking about prime division
3299[02:42:55] <Lurker6*> for exmaple in base 10    24681357* [Pattern of *2]
3300[02:43:26] <Lurker6*> also i need to write down which m and n are related in base 30
3301[02:44:08] <Lurker6*> in mabe 10 for example pattern of *2 is reversed pattern of /4, with * moving from back to front
3302[02:44:47] <Lurker6*> 24681357 * [Pattern of *2]   -                             75318642* [Pattern /4]
3303[02:45:13] <Lurker6*> 24681357 * [Pattern of *2]   -> * 24681357 -> reversed -> 75318642* [Pattern /4]
3304[02:45:27] <Lurker6*> and m and n are 2 and 4 in base 10
3305[02:46:08] <|343373|> Prime Division is the flipped of *n
3306[02:48:38] <|343373|> Without prime division the pattern lacks an infinity(shift by 1 digit) to "convert" to multiplication pattern configuration
3307[02:4*:18] <Lurker6*> *48372615 [Pattern of /7]  -> reversed -> 51627384* [Pattern of *5 AND /2] ; yeah at prime division * stays becasue its already on first place
3308[02:50:24] <|343373|> its same with every numeral system
3309[02:52:23] <|343373|> only prime division or work with a number equivalent "7"(or multiple of 7) of the base 10 can truly flip from / to * (or any other mathematical action)
3310[02:53:40] <|343373|> you cant just randomly switch/choose where the pattern starts
3311[02:54:26] <|343373|> at what digit the pattern starts is a result of math... So yeah I dont really get your question O.o
3312[02:56:46] <Lurker6*> i need to make this kind of picture http://prntscr.com/bmdlsx for base 30, numbers in red are what i called m and n in exmaple, so pattern of /n is same of *m
3313[02:57:32] <|343373|> "does it shifts only for '1 infinity' when you convert from *n to /m in every base system?" It doesnt really shift, but yes, theres a 1 infinity digit difference, only prime(/reptend) division, or equivalent multiple of 7 "shifts" a pattern
3314[02:57:3*] <Lurker6*>  so pattern of /n is same of *m flipped*
3315[02:5*:22] <|343373|> Yes
3316[02:5*:46] <|343373|> Pattern itself is same
3317[03:00:04] <|343373|> just movement in different direction
3318[03:01:01] <Lurker6*> ya
3319[03:02:57] <Lurker6*> >at what digit the pattern starts is a result of math... So yeah I dont really get your question
3320[03:03:54] <Lurker6*> i was asking about: in base 10 1/7=0.142857 142857, but in base 30 those digits will be different, so it doesnt need to be that pattern of /7 will start with 2* in base 30
3321[03:04:37] <|343373|> base 30 has other "7" equivalent
3322[03:05:24] <Lurker6*> yeah, i need to convert all decimal calculations in base 30, and then observe which numbers are full reptend and which are half full reptend in base 30
3323[03:07:22] <Lurker6*> and i alredy figured out that base 30 doesnt have thoe crazy 3s and 6s, but i dont know what will be going on with period digits (when will they be cyclical and when not)
3324[03:12:53] <|343373|> Good luck with the headache that is awaiting you soon... lol...
3325[03:17:57] <Lurker6*> another questions: you said 'you cant just randomly switch/choose where the pattern starts', thats is reffering to chnaging /7 to *5 pattern by flipping it only right? you cant randomnly choose where pattern starts for patterns in general (since 'at what digit the pattern starts is a result of math') and thats why my first /n table was in kinda wrong order (you called it kind of magic square)  
3326[03:18:57] <|343373|> somewhat
3327[03:18:58] <|343373|> yes
3328[03:1*:03] <Lurker6*>  thats is reffering only to changing /7 to *5 pattern, right? *
3329[03:1*:07] <Lurker6*> yeah
3330[03:1*:3*] <Lurker6*> so i was hoping that i wont need starting point of each /n pattern in base 30
3331[03:20:18] <|343373|> I will make the base 30 division table for you
3332[03:20:22] <Lurker6*> according to you mentioning headache i guess i was wrong and ill need to get those too
3333[03:20:26] <|343373|> I need one for myself too
3334[03:20:32] <Lurker6*> ok thx a lot
3335[03:21:16] <|343373|> Its pretty simple though
3336[03:21:22] <Lurker6*> and you cant just put 2* from *m patterns in first place and flip whole pattern?
3337[03:21:55] <Lurker6*> and for eqvivalent of '7' you dont move 2*
3338[03:21:56] <|343373|> You need to know what numbers flip
3339[03:22:12] <Lurker6*> but you have to know which digit is eqvivalent of '7' first
3340[03:22:25] <|343373|> by flip I mean like /7 to *5
3341[03:22:48] <|343373|> oops
3342[03:22:4*] <|343373|> I meant
3343[03:22:57] <|343373|> *4 /7
3344[03:23:00] <|343373|> LOl
3345[03:23:37] <Lurker6*> and what numbers flip, you can get that from *n and "wrong" /m table
3346[03:24:25] <Lurker6*> i was planning to figure out those "related" numbers anyways
3347[03:26:03] <Lurker6*> i know that /5 and /4 are flipped in base 10 and that /15 and /14 are flipped in base 2*, i dont understanr the relation between m and n when /n is flipped *m (like /4 /7)
3348[03:27:53] <|343373|> Honestly to tell you the truth I really hate working with base30 I remember the frustration of trying to figure out its division.. because its quite tricky
3349[03:35:48] <|343373|> Actually you got them all right as the normal division
3350[03:36:01] <Lurker6*> i was doing some division in base 15 when we were talking with sage about 7/7, and i remeber it is quite a stretch to convert all those decimals in 15^-1, 15^-2,... and constantly finding myself unintentionally valuing digits as they are in base 10
3351[03:36:03] <|343373|> but the primes of base30 are so annoying ;-;
3352[03:36:31] <|343373|> logically its easy
3353[03:36:52] <|343373|> but the prime division makes it hell because theres something else there
3354[03:44:13] <|343373|> Oh wait nvm.... I just realized I was thinking about something else... I cant make that table for you sorry...
3355[03:44:2*] <|343373|> for normal division your table is correct
3356[03:48:35] <|343373|> Too tired atm, nvm everything I was saying lol, your table is good just need to shift the digits so it ends at 2* and itll be good. the normal prime division will be same as that just starting with 2*
3357[03:48:45] <|343373|> sorry for confusing you
3358[03:50:55] <Lurker6*> good, i was already wondering what 'something else' might be
3359[03:51:45] <|343373|> Really sorry for the confusion
3360[03:57:45] <|343373|> The something else is that the thing that happens with /3 and /6 happens even more in base30, in a way...
3361[04:00:34] <|343373|> In a way as in, it happens in relation to base10 so its a different table
3362[04:02:06] <|343373|> All numbers in LP are in base 10 (like the primes and the magic squares)
3363[04:02:23] <|343373|> The runes are base30
3364[04:02:3*] <|343373|> so yeah... sigh... I wont say anymore about this.. :/
3365[04:14:36] <Lurker6*> where does that base 33 come in play? that should be even worse since mod28 is divisable by 2, every odd number pattern will behave like 3 and 6 do in base 10
3366[04:15:50] <|343373|> -thumbs up-
3367[04:16:22] <|343373|> >Base34 = extreme headache
3368[04:20:27] <|343373|> also something about base30
3369[04:20:31] <|343373|> for example
3370[04:20:40] <|343373|> *15
3371[04:20:42] <|343373|> 15 1 16 2 17 3 18 4 1* 5 20 6 21 7 22 8 23 * 24 10 25 11 26 12 27 13 28 14 2*
3372[04:21:08] <|343373|> Look at the pattern if you remove the "10"(/front digit)
3373[04:22:20] <|343373|> 1(5) (1) 1(6) (2) 1(7) (3) 1(8) (4) 1(*)
3374[04:25:58] <|343373|> same with *14
3375[04:26:1*] <|343373|> 14 28 13 27 12 26 11 25 10 ........
3376[04:26:5*] <|343373|> 1(4) 2(8) 1(3) 2(7) 1(2) 2(6) 1(1) 2(5) 1(0) ........
3377[04:27:08] <Lurker6*> *4 and *5 patterns from base 10
3378[04:28:11] <|343373|> look what happens afterwards though
3379[04:35:34] <Lurker6*> *15
3380[04:35:38] <Lurker6*> 15 1 16 2 17 3 18 4 1* 5 20 6 21 7 22 8 23 * 24 10 25 11 26 12 27 13 28 14 2*
3381[04:35:38] <Lurker6*> 1(5) (1) 1(6) (2) 1(7) (3) 1(8) (4) 1(*)| (5) 2(0) (6) 2(1) (7) 2(2) (8) 2(3) (*)| 2(4) 1(0) 2(5) 1(1) 2(6) 1(2) 2(7) 1(3) 2(8)| 1(4) 2(*)
3382[04:35:38] <Lurker6*> 51627384* | 50617283* | 405162738 | 4*
3383[04:35:5*] <|343373|> 15 1 16 2 17 3 18 4 1* > 
3384[04:35:5*] <|343373|> 1(5) 0(1) 1(6) 0(2) 1(7) 0(3) 1(8) 0(4) 1(*)
3385[04:35:5*] <|343373|> 5 20 6 21 7 22 8 23 * >                                
3386[04:35:5*] <|343373|> 1+(5) (20) 1+(6) (21) 1+(7) (22) 1+(8) (23) 1+(*) >
3387[04:35:5*] <|343373|>  6     2    7     3    8     4     *    5    1
3388[04:36:3*] <|343373|> yup
3389[04:37:44] <|343373|> headache :D
3390[04:38:56] <|343373|>  1+(5) 0+(20) 1+(6) 0+(21) 1+(7) 0+(22) 1+(8) 0+(23) 1+(*), based on the first one where first digit was ignored
3391[04:41:48] <Lurker6*> yeah at first cycle you ignore first digit, at second you include first digit and in third you have ignore first digit again if you want same pattern (with differnt starting point though)
3392[04:43:51] <|343373|> no it keeps switching places as if its looking for a weakness in the configuration
3393[04:44:02] <|343373|> first it ignores first digit
3394[04:45:0*] <|343373|> then once pattern works it compensates for the ignored digit, then it flips and does the opposite, doesnt give to the ones that were compensated but gives to the ones who had none
3395[04:47:14] <|343373|> Its like numbers are playing mind games with your brain...
3396[04:48:17] <|343373|> Im glad that this thing was important only at the later part of LP, the first half is a lot more simple
3397[04:50:41] <Lurker6*> if you dont ignore first digit in third cycle you get 617283*42, which has 2 twice, missing 5
3398[04:51:00] <Lurker6*> if you ignore it you get  4*5162738
3399[04:51:52] <Lurker6*> you said 'then it flips and does the opposite', it doesnt flip it stays the same pattern, it just doesnt include first digit again
3400[04:52:46] <|343373|> yup
3401[04:53:01] <Lurker6*> but here we are taking last digit from base 30 represented in decimal digits, and doing mod(*) on it, i think this is quite a stretch of operations
3402[04:53:48] <Lurker6*> i mean, if you would write base 30 correctly with 2* different character there would be no second digit
3403[04:55:17] <|343373|> indeed, thats why I said in relation to base10
3404[04:55:24] <Lurker6*> but values stays the same... and interestingly pattern shows itself somehow event through all those base system changes
3405[04:56:06] <|343373|> I already explained the "why" to you
3406[04:57:37] <|343373|> All of numbers/digits and math follows the same rules.. those rules are universal, the nature it self expressed using symbols/numbers
3407[04:5*:14] <|343373|> Perfectly cyclical, synchronizing, pattern configurations based system.
3408[05:03:4*] <Lurker6*> yeah, hmm, what about binary, there you have only one digit 1 and 0, so 1 is like * in base 10, are all patterns there the same consisting just one digit [1]?
3409[05:04:28] <Lurker6*> Dr(1) of 01 = 0 =1  and Dr(1) of 10 = 1= 0 ?
3410[05:04:34] <Lurker6*> is that correct?
3411[05:04:43] <|343373|> also one thats expanding and collapsing, condensing and deepening at the same time.
3412[05:05:13] <|343373|> what
3413[05:05:40] <|343373|> yes
3414[05:05:4*] <Lurker6*> is it correct that in binary Dr 0 = Dr 1?
3415[05:05:54] <Lurker6*> ok
3416[05:06:06] <|343373|> no
3417[05:06:12] <|343373|> theres no DR 0
3418[05:06:56] <|343373|> binary is 0 or 1
3419[05:06:58] <Lurker6*> i mean if mod = 0 then Dr=1, sorry
3420[05:07:07] <|343373|> theres no mod 0
3421[05:07:14] <|343373|> mod 0 = no mod
3422[05:07:15] <|343373|> LOL
3423[05:08:35] <|343373|> in binary as a, theres signal, theres no signal, theres no dr
3424[05:0*:02] <|343373|> its mod1
3425[05:0*:22] <Lurker6*> i thought inconventional sense, like 18 mod(*)=0, that how excel calculates it
3426[05:0*:26] <|343373|> 0 mod 1 = 0, 1 mod1 = 1
3427[05:0*:35] <Lurker6*> yeah its mod1
3428[05:0*:51] <|343373|> binary is base2
3429[05:0*:57] <|343373|> so mod1
3430[05:11:33] <|343373|> sec let me find something for you to understand what i mean
3431[05:12:12] <|343373|> kk Bagua / Dao is a good example
3432[05:12:33] <|343373|> its explained here well http://www.wuxiaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/taiji-1.jpg
3433[05:13:3*] <|343373|> sec actually its too hard to explain with that
3434[05:14:15] <Lurker6*> i am too tired...     o mod(n) doesnt make sense since you cant divide by zero
3435[05:14:56] <|343373|> The Limitless (??; wuji) produces the delimited (??; youji), and this demarcation is equivalent to the Absolute (??; taiji).
3436[05:14:56] <|343373|> The Taiji produces two forms, named yin and yang (??; yinyang);
3437[05:14:57] <|343373|> These two forms produce four phenomena: named lesser yin (??, shaoyin), greater yin (??; taiyin, which also refers to the Moon), lesser yang (??, shaoyang), and greater yang (??; taiyang, which also refers to the Sun).
3438[05:15:01] <|343373|> The four phenomena (??; sixiang) act on the eight trigrams (??; bagua).
3439[05:15:03] <|343373|> Eight 'eights' results in sixty-four hexagrams. (ignore the metaphors...)
3440[05:16:20] <|343373|> The Limitless = 1, delimited = 0 (nothing)
3441[05:16:48] <|343373|> together they are the "the Absolute"
3442[05:17:44] <|343373|> then the absolute 0 | 1 created yin(-1) and yang(+1)
3443[05:18:11] <|343373|> so now you get Ternary numeral system
3444[05:18:58] <|343373|> -1 = 2, +1 = 1, 0 = nothing
3445[05:20:08] <|343373|> Binary 0, 1 are equal to Base10 0, *
3446[05:20:50] <|343373|> binary 0 = base10 0, binary 1 = base10 1-*
3447[05:22:42] <|343373|> Does that make more sense?
3448[05:24:50] <Lurker6*> ya
3449[05:24:52] <|343373|> base10 * = 1-8
3450[05:25:22] <|343373|> combined*
3451[05:25:30] <Lurker6*> 0 is same only one digit in all base systems, while everything else gets divided in other base-1 digits
3452[05:25:53] <|343373|> 0 is not really a digit
3453[05:25:58] <|343373|> its the lack of digit
3454[05:26:22] <Lurker6*> so in base 3 everything else is 1-2   in base 15 everything else is 1,2,3..15
3455[05:26:42] <|343373|> symbol for absolute lack of something
3456[05:26:5*] <Lurker6*> yeah zero is lack of anything else or nothing
3457[05:27:22] <|343373|> base 3 = 0, 1-2 OR -1, 0, +1
3458[05:28:18] <|343373|> base10 = 0, 1-* OR -4 -3 -2 -1 (0 OR *) +1 +2 +3 +4 +5
3459[05:2*:38] <|343373|> typo
3460[05:2*:50] <|343373|> base10 = 0, 1-* OR -4 -3 -2 -1 (0 OR *) +1 +2 +3 +4
3461[05:31:46] <|343373|> Base4 = -1 (0 OR 3) +1
3462[05:35:58] <|343373|> base(3 or 4) -1 can be equal to base10 +3. Base(3 or 4) +1 can be equal to Base10 +6, Base4 3 can be equal to Base10 *
3463[05:42:51] <Lurker6*> hmm 'base(3 or 4) -1 can be equal to base10 +3. Base(3 or 4) +1 can be equal to Base10 +6' in both cases you expressed base 10 as 0, 1-*; am I right?
3464[05:44:08] <|343373|> yes
3465[05:45:2*] <|343373|> if as -4 -3 -2 -1 0* +1 +2 +3 +4 then you need to note the inner polarity change aswell
3466[05:45:3*] <|343373|> 1 is a +
3467[05:45:43] <|343373|> 2 is a -
3468[05:46:31] <|343373|> 3 is a neutral (but negative compared to 6)
3469[05:46:36] <|343373|> 4 is +
3470[05:46:42] <|343373|> 5 is -
3471[05:47:18] <|343373|> 6 is neutral (but positive compared to 3)
3472[05:47:31] <|343373|> 7 is +
3473[05:47:35] <|343373|> 8 is -
3474[05:47:48] <|343373|> * is Perfect neutral
3475[05:48:43] <|343373|> perfect as in it also has the negative neutral 3 and the positive neutral 6 in it so its neutral neutral
3476[05:50:11] <Lurker6*> ill just take that as you said it
3477[05:50:38] <|343373|> okay that sound stupid but ill try to explain it better
3478[05:51:45] <|343373|> one is neutal but standing at the negative side, other is neutral but standing on the positive side, and 1 neutral is standing at the very neutral center
3479[05:53:04] <|343373|> 3 is neutral but on negative side, 6 is neutral but on positive side
3480[05:53:20] <|343373|> * is combination of both
3481[05:54:4*] <|343373|> 3 and 6 are opposites
3482[05:56:50] <|343373|> Dont just take it if it doesnt make enough sense to you, verify with your understanding/try to understand it, dont just accept lol
3483[05:57:28] <|343373|> it wont be useful if you dont understand it :o
3484[06:00:12] <Lurker6*> its a bit unfamiliar concept, sounds strange, since you have -2 (0-2) and now i also have to comprehend 2 being negative by default
3485[06:01:04] <|343373|> negative as its direction(/charge) from 0 or *
3486[06:01:20] <|343373|> you go left not right
3487[06:02:17] <|343373|> okay here this will fix it for you
3488[06:02:4*] <|343373|> - o +
3489[06:03:06] <|343373|> 8 * 1
3490[06:03:08] <Lurker6*> i get the dynamics of + > - > n > + > - > n > + > - 'perfect n'
3491[06:03:23] <|343373|> sec dont msg
3492[06:03:28] <|343373|> - o +
3493[06:03:34] <|343373|> 8 * 1
3494[06:03:52] <|343373|> derp argh
3495[06:03:58] <|343373|> - o +
3496[06:04:26] <|343373|> 2 3 4
3497[06:04:44] <|343373|> 8 * 1
3498[06:04:4*] <|343373|> 5 6 7
3499[06:06:3*] <|343373|> the logic of the expansion is ++ = -, -- = +, + - / - + = o
3500[06:08:48] <Lurker6*> yeah now  i get that with logic you explained, before i was wondering why
3501[06:08:5*] <|343373|> 1(+), 11 = 2, ++ = -
3502[06:0*:24] <|343373|> 22 = 4, -- = +
3503[06:10:37] <Lurker6*> yeah and 41 = 5, ++ = -
3504[06:10:42] <|343373|> oops i typo lgic abit
3505[06:11:26] <|343373|> ++ = -, -- = +, + - / - + = o,  - o / o - = -, + o / o + = +
3506[06:12:33] <|343373|> 2+3 = 5, - o = -
3507[06:13:02] <|343373|> to 1 2 4 5 7 8, 3 and 6 are o
3508[06:13:1*] <|343373|> to *, 3 and 6 are - and +
3509[06:13:48] <|343373|> the pattern goes as
3510[06:14:42] <Lurker6*> this all makes sense so far
3511[06:14:44] <|343373|> + - - + - + + - 
3512[06:14:53] <|343373|> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
3513[06:16:03] <|343373|> thats should make it much more clear too
3514[06:16:42] <Lurker6*> it does
3515[06:18:03] <Lurker6*> before i was wondering why
3516[06:18:03] <Lurker6*> - - - - o + + + + 
3517[06:18:03] <Lurker6*> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 *
3518[06:18:03] <Lurker6*> would not be just as valid as your +-o+-o+-o , now i see that it wouldnt follow same logic
3519[06:21:2*] <Lurker6*> also those  base4   -1  (0 or 3) +1     being base10  3  (0 or *)  6 
3520[06:21:38] <Lurker6*> i understand it as http://prntscr.com/bmfciv
3521[06:24:36] <|343373|> slight typo though... its 5678 * or 0 1234
3522[06:25:44] <|343373|> -4 -3 -2 -1 *or0 +1 +2 +3 +4
3523[06:26:30] <|343373|>  5  6  7  8  *0  1  2  3  4
3524[06:26:44] <Lurker6*> i got it
3525[06:27:04] <|343373|> - + + - o + - - + 
3526[06:27:4*] <|343373|> - (+) + - (o) + - (-) + 
3527[06:28:37] <|343373|> 5  6  7 8  *  1 2  3  4
3528[06:44:21] <Lurker6*> one slight detail, you said that 3 is negative because it is on negative side, but in notation: '5 6 7 8 * 1 2 3 4' 3 is on the right same as 1 which is positive and 6 is on the left same as 8 which is negative
3529[06:44:21] <Lurker6*> i guess 3 is negative neutral and 6 is positive neutral comes from 5 6 7 8 * 1 2 3 4 having  pattern - + + - o + - - + instead of (in case of - 6 and +3) pattern  - - + - o + - + + being unbalanced
3530[06:5*:48] <|343373|> that too
3531[07:00:26] <|343373|> and > (o) + - 
3532[07:00:33] <|343373|> (o) + - (o) + - (o) + -
3533[07:02:27] <|343373|> + | - (+) + - (o) + - (-) + | -
3534[07:05:0*] <|343373|> "to 1 2 4 5 7 8, 3 and 6 are o"
3535[07:05:20] <|343373|> "to *, 3 and 6 are - and +"
3536[07:07:05] <Lurker6*> yeah i catched that when you said that earlier
3537[07:07:16] <|343373|> (+) < (+ -) (o) (+ -) > (-)
3538[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 30. junij 2016}
3539[05:37:26] <|343373|> Btw youll probably be the only one there to be able to confirm/understand my proof lol...
3540[05:38:51] <Lurker6*> i am all ears
3541[05:3*:08] <|343373|> Soon cant atm yet
3542[05:41:13] <Lurker6*> but i came from the rules page? so page was updated?
3543[05:42:04] <|343373|> Yeah :P Ill send it in solvers in some time... I want when brotherbox and iIIustrious are there... LOL (Im allowed to show/post/message it only once, Im not allowed to talk about it nor explain it myself)
3544[05:43:5*] <Lurker6*> lol, then post it on pastebin and link it in solvers, that way it will stay forever on pastebin
3545[05:44:06] <Lurker6*> but thats stretching the rules
3546[05:51:58] <|343373|> To them it might not be a 100% proof and will probably look like nonsense but to you that proof will be a 100% undeniable proof :) Its the beginning(the first 13 runes) of the real pattern on the already solved page 56(0-57), shown in the solved way with some extra info in a way..
3547[05:53:33] <Lurker6*> so that totient pattern i want able to find yesterday
3548[05:53:3*] <Lurker6*> wasnt*
3549[05:55:21] <|343373|> They are related but youll probably be amazed a bit when you see the solved 13 runes and probably might figure out how to solve the rest right away :)
3550[06:01:05] <|343373|> The file is useless to ppl who didnt solve enough pages though...
3551[06:02:37] <Lurker6*> oh i have one question
3552[06:03:11] <Lurker6*> LP doesnt have any verses from WIlliam Blakes Book of First French REvolution poem right?
3553[06:03:44] <|343373|> no comment
3554[06:06:2*] <Lurker6*> ill assume you arent allowed to comment anything about content of LP
3555[06:06:53] <Lurker6*> i would be really mad if pi.mobi would have some connection to LP or real 3301
3556[06:07:07] <Lurker6*> not mad, surprized
3557[06:16:47] <|343373|> solver plox
3558[06:16:52] <|343373|> solvers*
3559[06:26:00] <|343373|> Shift > Rune Shift
3560[06:26:14] <|343373|> Very simple
3561[07:05:11] <|343373|> Is it not enough proof? lol
3562[07:06:01] <Lurker6*> i havent jet have time to understand and explain it, i am heavily multitasking atm
3563[07:06:55] <|343373|> kk btw heres in case you missed it
3564[07:07:03] <|343373|> "Oh wow there was a slight typo while copying it from the pic... so I should be able to send this one o.o
3565[07:07:03] <|343373|> 11 12
3566[07:07:03] <|343373|> TH  E
3567[07:07:03] <|343373|> 1^22v
3568[07:07:03] <|343373|>   5   
3569[07:07:04] <|343373|>  ^ v
3570[07:07:06] <|343373|>  2 3
3571[07:07:10] <|343373|> not 1v"
3572[07:07:30] <Lurker6*> yeah i saw that
3573[07:07:48] <|343373|> kk
3574[22:10:52] <|343373|> Someone got slightly ahead of you on the matrices without even understanding/knowing the whole approach basics yet... :o
3575[22:12:47] <|343373|> "without even understanding/knowing the whole approach" as in, not enough understanding of how the approach works.
3576[22:20:41] <Lurker6*> nothing wrong with that
3577[22:22:00] <|343373|> So just letting you know that youre overthinking the magicsquares, just calmly look at them and look for pattern. :)
3578[22:24:27] <Lurker6*> yeah now i have 3 tasks: figure out your proof, find pattern in totient function and find matrices patterns connection
3579
3580[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 1. julij 2016}
3581[04:37:10] <|343373|> anything happened in the past 1 hour while I was disconnected? lol
3582[04:40:0*] <Lurker6*> nothing much
3583[04:40:14] <Lurker6*> http://31415*265358*7*323846264338327*5028841*716*3**3751.mobi/test.txt
3584[04:45:16] <|343373|> lol.....
3585[04:53:38] <|343373|> Easy questions though.. lol
3586[04:54:50] <Lurker6*> they are interesting
3587[04:54:5*] <Lurker6*> encrypted ones are
3588[04:55:07] <Lurker6*> 3. What makes you , you?
3589[04:55:07] <Lurker6*> 5. Does sound happen if no entity is present to experience it? Explain.
3590[04:55:07] <Lurker6*> 7. Define the word "truth".
3591[04:55:07] <Lurker6*> 11. What do people strive for after completing their path to enlightenment?
3592[04:57:58] <|343373|> What do you think is the answer to 11? lol
3593[04:5*:02] <Lurker6*> retirement
3594[04:5*:37] <|343373|> I see :)
3595[05:01:34] <Lurker6*> there is no enlightement, there is only path towards it that never ends
3596[05:03:06] <|343373|> There are check points though, those are what they call "enlightenment". Each time it starts on a higher level, like mathematical cycles. I think the real work just begins upon reaching the enlightenment, but understanding of that work is beyond the "enlightenment" line, so you wouldnt be able to understand it unless you've reached teh "enlightenment" already..
3597[05:03:36] <|343373|> the*
3598[05:05:05] <|343373|> As for what they strive for at the end of the path? Like youve said, theres no end to the true path to "enlightenment".
3599[05:06:50] <|343373|> If they stop unpon reaching the checkpoint then they do not complete their path but stop in the middle of it.
3600[05:07:16] <Lurker6*> you can look at enlightements as levels, and to reach and play on next level you have to understand its rules first
3601[05:07:2*] <Lurker6*> lol one of winds quotes comes to my mind
3602[05:07:47] <Lurker6*> 'Do things left alone and clues never found change over time, or are they simply as static as ends never tied?'
3603[05:08:2*] <|343373|> The requirements/rules of the next level are eaching the new level.
3604[05:08:33] <|343373|> lol
3605[05:0*:22] <|343373|> reaching*
3606[05:10:32] <|343373|> You already have all you need, enlightement is the realization of it.
3607[05:18:46] <|343373|> What do you think the answer to 5 is?
3608[05:23:1*] <Lurker6*> yes, things happen in isolation, there is no condition that there must be some measuring device present to mesure some event, for it to happen; you need measuring device only if you want to prove that event really happened 
3609[05:23:33] <Lurker6*> things are a bit more complicated at shrodingres cat though
3610[05:24:50] <|343373|> Solid sound is frquencies expressed through solid matter by vibration of the solid matter. If theres no matter to exprecience that frequency/vibration then there will be none of what is called "sound". Matter it self is "entity".
3611[05:26:06] <|343373|> Matter it self is "entity", as it "experiences" sound. *
3612[05:27:42] <Lurker6*> yeah true, if you limit the question stritly on sound, and event happens in vacum then there is no sound spreading
3613[05:28:45] <Lurker6*> i was thinking about standard version of that question "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
3614[05:2*:51] <Lurker6*> which focuses on presense of observer and assumes presense of air where sound waves can spread
3615[05:31:23] <|343373|> The tree itself and the ground it falls on are the "entity" already.
3616[05:32:58] <|343373|> Entity = A thing with distinct and independent existence. existence; being.
3617[05:34:12] <Lurker6*> yeah question 5 is nonsensical, if there is no entity at all there cant be any sound, as sound is defined as vibrating of some matter, and matter is entity
3618[05:35:13] <Lurker6*> but all mobi test questions are slightly changed well known problem, they changed few bits so answers are harder to google
3619[05:35:22] <|343373|> Also no Entity to experience it implies theres no space in which it happens either.
3620[05:35:5*] <Lurker6*> and they made few mistakes like: Prove that  ?(n) = (? - 1) (q - 1)  when N = ?q ; it should be n = ?q
3621[05:37:21] <|343373|> Im pretty sure they are talking about ?(n) = (? - 1)(q - 1), not (p)(q)
3622[05:37:35] <Lurker6*> i think question just defines that there is no entity that can experience it as detect it or measure, not no entity at all; although you are right, if there was any air present, it would experience vibration
3623[05:38:45] <|343373|> space itself in which the frequiency is experiences it too.. even if that frequency is not yet extressed through a solid vibration..
3624[05:3*:07] <|343373|> expressed*
3625[05:3*:41] <Lurker6*> ?(p*q) = ?(p) * ?(q) = (p - 1)*(q - 1)   ? is totient function
3626[05:41:32] <|343373|> They are not 3301, most of them dont seem to understand math nor the approach so what do you expect? lol
3627[05:42:41] <|343373|> "Prove that  ?(n) = (? - 1) (q - 1)  when N = ?q  and  both ? and q are primes." is good enough...
3628[05:42:45] <|343373|> lol
3629[05:44:0*] <|343373|> Whats your answer to 1?
3630[05:45:47] <Lurker6*> i was reading about it, didnt think about it at all and result surprized me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_game
3631[05:47:52] <Lurker6*> so you can take *6 coins and give every other (odd)  pirate one single coin 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 
3632[05:50:34] <|343373|> you didnt get it...
3633[05:50:38] <|343373|> there are no two equally important  people. You and your companions decided that you are going to propose the  
3634[05:50:38] <|343373|> way of distributing the treasure using aforementioned hierarchy.
3635[05:54:43] <Lurker6*> its same as with pirates
3636[05:55:43] <Lurker6*> only difference is that at pirates case there is casting vote for proposor, and in case of test half of votes are enough to accept proposal
3637[05:56:08] <Lurker6*> which means that results are the same in both cases
3638[05:58:03] <|343373|> the problem is, no fool would accept those terms and they know the next one can propose afte the kill the first one
3639[06:00:57] <|343373|> Pirate game is a joke
3640[06:01:56] <Lurker6*> 7th 5th 3rd and 1st know that they will get nothing if *th one would be making proposal, and 10th one only needs their votes
3641[06:03:30] <Lurker6*> it says in wikia that all pirates are 100% smart and they all know that next one will propose the most optimal solution for him
3642[06:04:12] <Lurker6*> following this logic they arent 'fools' anymore but just logical gates in equation
3643[06:14:08] <|343373|> The right logic would be, 100 - 14 - 13 - 12 - 11 - 10 - * - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5, 5coins left over as the ones you need for the vote. you give 10th, 8th, 6th, 4th 1 extra than they supposed to get. 100 - 50 - 14 - 0 - 12 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 8 - 0 - 6
3644[06:16:30] <|343373|> typo
3645[06:17:25] <|343373|> 100 - 64 - 0 - 0 - 12 - 0 - 10 - 0 - 8 - 0 - 6
3646[06:17:36] <|343373|> you can do it in any order really
3647[06:18:05] <|343373|> you just need to give the 4 1 more than what they supposed to get :P
3648[06:23:07] <Lurker6*> but in that case you dont do the best possible solution for yourself
3649[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> first vote
3650[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> 10  *   8  7  6  5  4  3  2  1
3651[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> *6y 0n  1y 0n 1y 0n 1y 0n 1y 0n  5y 5n vote succeed
3652[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> in case they throw you overboard
3653[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> xx  *6y 0n 1y 0n 1y 0n 1y 0n 1y  5y 5n vote succeed
3654[06:23:16] <Lurker6*> since pirates 8  6 4 and 2 know what will happen if they vote against you, they vote yes in first vote        
3655[06:26:5*] <|343373|> the thing is, this logic could continue until there are 3 left.
3656[06:28:30] <Lurker6*> if there are three left, proposer has to offer one coin to last one, since if last one votes aginst that proposer in case there are only two left, proposer will take all coins and vote yes and lst one will be lfet with nothing
3657[06:28:56] <|343373|> so you as the first one, have to satisfy them with more than the amount they would get if there were 10(including you)
3658[06:2*:5*] <Lurker6*> hmm
3659[06:30:22] <|343373|> 4 of them have to get atleast 1 more than the amount they wouldve gotten if it was fair 
3660[06:31:01] <|343373|> while the 1 after you cant get at all
3661[06:31:14] <|343373|> because he would vote 0 100%
3662[06:31:27] <|343373|> vote no*
3663[06:31:56] <|343373|> since he knows he's the next to profit if you are killed
3664[06:34:03] <Lurker6*> yes first after proposer always votes no, while next one votes yes if he has only one coin since in case he steps on the side of on infront of him he will get nothing
3665[06:34:0*] <|343373|> 64y - 0 - 0 - 12y - 0 - 10y - 0 - 8y - 0 - 6y
3666[06:34:0*] <|343373|> instead of
3667[06:34:0*] <|343373|> 14(+5)y - 13y - 12y - 11y - 10y - *y - 8y - 7y - 6y - 5y (with 5 extra left that would go to you)
3668[06:35:18] <|343373|> (in a fair one)
3669[06:37:10] <Lurker6*> yeah but there is condition that you are not fair but selfish, >The goal of each and everyone of the treasure hunters ( you included)  is to gain the highest amount of silver coins possible and survive. 
3670[06:37:45] <|343373|> Think about it, the closer it is to 10th the more they would want to say no. because they will have a better chance of getting more our of it
3671[06:38:01] <|343373|> out*
3672[06:38:30] <|343373|> 2 one has most to profit
3673[06:3*:08] <|343373|> due to that logic 3rd one is certain to win
3674[06:3*:16] <|343373|> i mean
3675[06:3*:22] <|343373|> 8th has most to profit
3676[06:3*:30] <|343373|> due to that 7th is certain to win
3677[06:44:10] <Lurker6*> evryone wants to kick all that are infront of him, but due to possibility that in next round they get nothing they are forced (due to condition that they all know that next one will propose equally slefish propsal) to vote yes
3678[06:45:12] <Lurker6*> in real world this doesnt happen becasue they hope that next one will not be 100% selfish so those with 1 coin might vote no despite possibility tha they will get nothing in next round
3679[06:45:31] <|343373|> only if there are 5 ppl left
3680[06:45:35] <|343373|> you have 10 though
3681[06:46:51] <Lurker6*> it follows same pattern accoprding to wiki, ap to the point where you have twice as many pirates as coins
3682[06:48:56] <|343373|> you have * extra, not 8 extra ppl.
3683[06:4*:28] <|343373|> and with just * the logic wouldnt work either
3684[06:52:55] <Lurker6*> you get 5 votes, your vote 10y then *no 8yes 7no 6yes 5no 4yes 3no 2yes 1no
3685[06:53:27] <Lurker6*> and half votes is enough, or in wikipedia exmaple you vote is stornger than others so it si more than half for yes
3686[06:53:40] <|343373|> the closer you are to the last one you get more % of a no though
3687[06:56:40] <|343373|> Less people, more chance to bribe for more.
3688[07:16:12] <|343373|> well nvm it lol
3689[07:18:52] <Lurker6*> i think you are not looking at problem of voting in binary way, they dont decide colletively to vote aginst proposer, they each vote for their selfish reasons, and this selfishness (of each and every one) forces whole system to vote yes for unfair proposals 
3690[07:20:07] <|343373|> being more than 3 people and having 100 coins makes it more complex than binary
3691[07:21:18] <Lurker6*> i mean vote is binary, yes or no, there is no 60% for yes and 40% for no for single individual, they just want to avoid the worst scenario and that is being killed or getting 0
3692[07:21:1*] <|343373|> its the difference between base4 and base10
3693[07:21:54] <|343373|> situation is not binary
3694[07:23:10] <|343373|> in truth at 10 ppl, its 70-80% for no and only 20-30% for yes with just 1 coin
3695[07:24:08] <|343373|> as you add coins that you give them the % for yes goes up less and less
3696[07:27:11] <NiceLurk> only if they decide as a group, if they are fully selfish and everyone wants the biggest possible share wikipedia situation happens, i see no flaw in that explanation
3697[07:28:31] <|343373|> <|343373|> its the difference between base4 and base10
3698[07:28:31] <|343373|> <|343373|> situation is not binary
3699[07:28:31] <|343373|> <|343373|> in truth at 10 ppl, its 70-80% for no and only 20-30% for yes with just 1 coin
3700[07:28:31] <|343373|> <|343373|> as you add coins that you give them the % for yes goes up less and less
3701[07:28:31] <|343373|> <|343373|> 64y - 0 - 0 - 12y - 0 - 10y - 0 - 8y - 0 - 6y is a ~*0% for 4 other than you to vote yes.
3702[07:28:54] <|343373|> if you want a 100%, if they are too greedy then 58 - 0 - 0 - 15 - 0 - 12 - 0 - * - 0 - 6 (+1 to 10th, +2 to 8th, +3 to 6th and +4 to 4th)
3703[07:32:47] <NiceLurk> but in your case you are not selfish enough, you get 4 needed votes with *6 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1, all 4 have to vote for you since in case they dont they will get 0 from proposal of next *th guy
3704[07:36:40] <|343373|> Every treasure hunter is equally as smart as the rest. if you give them just 1 they know they can keep going until 3 left. so each next vote is harder to get. while each closer to 1st vote is more greedy
3705[07:3*:26] <|343373|> so first 4 are likely to be voted no by the other 6 in all cases unless you satisfy them somehow
3706[07:3*:38] <NiceLurk> well, guys on places from *-4 wont vote for the profit of 3rd guy, only 3rd and 1st guy will ever vote for profit of 3rd one
3707[07:40:37] <NiceLurk> and each votes only for himself anyway, he votes yes in case that voting no will make it possible to get 0 coins
3708[07:41:2*] <|343373|> you are 1st, 5-10th will vote no for 1st to 4th **% even if you give each of them 10coins 
3709[07:42:11] <|343373|> the only way they will vote yes is if they know the other will vote yes
3710[07:43:0*] <|343373|> Remember they are as smart as you
3711[07:51:47] <NiceLurk> now you are contradicting yourself, in  your previous destributions 10th and 8th voted yes for 6 and * coins
3712[07:52:17] <|343373|> yes
3713[07:52:32] <NiceLurk> and collectivelly voting against you would mean they are conspiring against you, i dont think rules allow that 
3714[07:52:3*] <|343373|> not contradicting
3715[07:56:02] <|343373|> they win more than they would otherwise so they know the one before them will vote yes, making them accept the proposal, its not about the amount itself, its about the logic of it, they win more than they would if it was fair between 10, then they win more than if the whole cycle of killing will start that would continue until there are 5 to 3 people left. and they know that if they vote no they will 
3716[07:56:02] <|343373|> probably lose their life after.
3717[07:57:55] <|343373|> 58 - 0 - 0 - 15 - 0 - 12 - 0 - * - 0 - 6 makes all of them vote yes **.**%
3718[08:00:16] <NiceLurk> there is no **.**%, they always vote exactly according to their rules so each repetition is the same, every vote that happens happens in  100% of repetitons
3719[08:03:01] <NiceLurk> and i agree that your propsal results in yes, but so does *6 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0, there is no reason for those who get 1 voted no, becasue if they vote no, next proposal will give them 0, so to avoid 0 in next round they vote yes, with 100% certanty since they are avoiding worse scenario
3720[08:03:37] <|343373|> youre not counting the next one it though
3721[08:03:51] <|343373|> after it*
3722[08:05:02] <|343373|> it works with 5 ppl cause you have 2 who will vote yes, which lose if it goes to the very limit of 3 ppl
3723[08:10:56] <NiceLurk> voters in first round assume that second round will vote for yes, so they will get 0, they cant expect that 2nd round will vote for no, so they cant relay on possibility that there will be trird round of voting 
3724[08:11:13] <NiceLurk> i think that by now its obvious that we will never agree :)
3725[08:12:01] <|343373|> lol
3726[13:08:0*] <|343373|> Actually.. Now that I think about it, counter intuitive would work the best. 81 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5
3727[21:2*:31] <|343373|> LURKER
3728[21:30:57] <|343373|> WTF IS THAT http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/1786525*/#17868073 ?
3729[21:31:16] <|343373|> "https://linx.li/c167761c.txt" THIS IS OUR LOG....
3730[21:31:23] <|343373|> The fuck?
3731[21:34:07] <Lurker6*> yeah, i am just introducing some more confusion to the chaos, i changed our nicks so i dont think much damage can be made
3732[21:35:35] <|343373|> Its very easy to associate that nick with mine... loL
3733[21:36:36] <Lurker6*> yeah i fucked up and left one mention of  word 'pattern' in it
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3735[21:3*:54] <Lurker6*> nick is just a number i made up, i think that if at the end we will figure out that pi.mobi is connected to 3301, this is just gona be another post giving it a bit more legitimacy, if it is not... well then it looks like you were lying to me, so it doesnt matter at all 
3736[21:42:04] <Lurker6*> i expected more reaction to that log to be hoinest, i dont know who the guy who always say that he saw that quote on video before the tweet is, he says it in every thread, but he can just a shill
3737[21:42:11] <|343373|> I havent said that its them... I said that it might be someone or 1 of them who solved atleast 50-100% of LP
3738[21:42:27] <|343373|> lol
3739[21:46:41] <Lurker6*> yeah by "connected to 3301"  i meant that they are someone who solved more pages of LP than wikia did
3740[21:47:12] <Lurker6*> its clearly not the guy that has access to PGP and twitter acount
3741[21:47:40] <Lurker6*> but they might be some lower brood/echelon, no way to prove they are not
3742[21:48:46] <Lurker6*> and if that 'seek and...' was indeed published befor tweet and if real cicada didnt stel that quote from them then they have to get it from somewhere
3743[21:48:4*] <|343373|> I dont think anyone has access to the pgp nor twitter other than 3301, 3301 are a small group I believe
3744[21:4*:46] <Lurker6*> where that somewhere is, i have no idea, it might be on onions in previous years as you said, it might be in LP, or it might be emails from 3301 to schrodinger... i have no way to figure it our how it happened
3745[21:51:08] <|343373|> Probably what I assume it is... one of the pi ppl finished the puzzle in 2013 and solved atleast 50% of LP
3746[21:52:14] <Lurker6*> yeah PGP os not shared by many, but they have few halpers, all those posters prove that lots of people were involved, and i think they used personal connections for those, i dont think they would risk trying to find people to post poster on craigslist, facebook or reddit
3747[21:54:17] <Lurker6*> sorry but i cant belive you your last statement, i know multiple people that made servers in 2013, none of them said anything about getting acces to any onion, they said they were send leaked email and that nothing happened afterwards... but those who know dont tell
3748[21:54:27] <Lurker6*> mine server was never visited
3749[21:56:03] <Lurker6*> and i dont think anyone of regular #solvers in 2013 is involved in pi.mobi, if they were they would at least be using outguess 
3750[21:56:40] <|343373|> kk well the proof I posted earlier should serve as atleast some proof that the approach is indeed what they use.
3751[21:57:05] <|343373|> It should be very clear with the patterns there
3752[21:57:06] <Lurker6*> pi.mobi seems to be marketed towars crouwd with less  coding skills, more towards facebook crowd with macs and windows machines
3753[21:57:1*] <Lurker6*> 3301s puzzle almost demands you to use linux
3754[21:58:02] <Lurker6*> yeah i didnt spend time on that proof yet, i guess you wont tell me anything about it anyways
3755[21:58:18] <Lurker6*> i have no idea what are Rep-s supposed to be
3756[21:58:31] <|343373|> its very self explanatory
3757[21:58:42] <|343373|> rep as in repeating
3758[21:5*:45] <|343373|> repetend...
3759[22:00:16] <|343373|> the rest is very self explanatory
3760[22:01:15] <Lurker6*> selfexplanatory... its full of some rules  i dont understand
3761[22:01:47] <Lurker6*> why do some runes have ony one direction and others have two?
3762[22:01:56] <|343373|> ...
3763[22:01:57] <|343373|> sec
3764[22:02:25] <Lurker6*> why in the line wit h digital roots you called Patterns there some runes have two values and some has one
3765[22:03:24] <|343373|> I will ask the person who understood/found a pattern in magic square if they are okay will telling you their username
3766[22:03:30] <Lurker6*> why th and e have ony one digital rootPattern value of 8
3767[22:03:37] <|343373|> 2nd magic square has what you are looking for
3768[22:06:03] <|343373|> Btw you should look at the pattern more closely... does it seem random to you?
3769[22:06:11] <Lurker6*> second? the uncomplete one? that 3301-fibonachi nth prime in sipral from center?
3770[22:06:21] <|343373|> nono the one on page 17
3771[22:07:14] <|343373|> It will answer the question of why what you asked happens
3772[22:07:18] <Lurker6*> oh that one? didn you said that square on page 17 works only for first 15 pages of 0-57
3773[22:07:57] <|343373|> Yes, but the methods for all the pages are almost the same, its the same approach just change of variables
3774[22:08:32] <Lurker6*> this 5 is bugging me, why were there 1 and 4 added up to ger signle 5 http://prntscr.com/bnmuth
3775[22:08:54] <|343373|> the 2nd magic square answers that question
3776[22:0*:45] <Lurker6*> ok ill lok int it a bit deeper later
3777[22:10:14] <Lurker6*> look*
3778[22:10:17] <|343373|> less deep, its simple, just need to notice that small almost stupid detail
3779[22:11:0*] <Lurker6*> yeah htat 5 , at first i was sure i made mistke while copying you posts, but then i rechecked and figured out that you it is as it is supopsed to be
3780[22:13:33] <|343373|> But more importantly, you see what kind of pattern it is?  (patterns line) I cant talk about it but just pointing this out to you since you should understand it..
3781[22:16:13] <Lurker6*> no i havent tried to find that yet
3782[22:17:17] <|343373|> Look at that line....
3783[22:18:57] <Lurker6*> yeah i see partly /7 in it with 7/7=6 missing
3784[22:18:5*] <|343373|> also periodicity of direction (we talked about that already)
3785[22:1*:1*] <|343373|> 6 is not missing
3786[22:1*:27] <Lurker6*> then (1) (6) (7) which i dont know what pattern they should be
3787[22:1*:31] <Lurker6*> and |1|
3788[22:20:44] <|343373|> Well 167 is 167 or 761 backwards obviously... they kept pointing those 2 primes to everyone
3789[22:23:22] <Lurker6*> how is 6 not missing? (1) * 4 (6) |1| 8 3 7 2 (7) 1 5 *     *48372615     pattern /7
3790[22:23:51] <Lurker6*> there is (7) in place where 6 should be and previous numbers in brackets were ignored
3791[22:24:00] <|343373|> Yes.
3792[22:25:03] <Lurker6*> and i see no periodicity in direction
3793[22:25:44] <Lurker6*>  ^   v  ^   ^    ^ and v     v and ^     ^   v  v   v   ^ and  v    v 
3794[22:26:36] <Lurker6*> anyway i have some real life stuffto do, i am back in few
3795[22:27:28] <|343373|> Idk how much I can stretch the line but...  ^   v and ^   ^    ^ and  v     v and  ^     ^ and v  v   v and  ^ v and v ...
3796[22:37:45] <|343373|> Also that page is already solved, you can find its whole pattern to understand it better.
3797[22:38:53] <Lurker6*> so you continued the pattern there so longer vestion is
3798[22:3*:04] <Lurker6*>  ^ v ^ ^ ^andv  vand^ ^ v v v ^andv v ^ vand^ ^ ^andv  vand^ ^andv v vand^ vandv
3799[22:3*:35] <Lurker6*> i guess last one was typo vandv it is probbaly vand^ or ^andv
3800[22:3*:54] <Lurker6*> now to visualize it nicer
3801[22:40:13] <Lurker6*>  1 0 1 1 10 01 1 0 0 0 10 0 1 01 1 10 01 10 0 01 
3802[22:41:32] <|343373|> - + - - - + + - - + + + - + then +
3803[22:41:5*] <|343373|> The direction pattern is not complete yet
3804[22:44:10] <Lurker6*> - + - - - + + - - + + + - + + | - + - - - + + - - + + + -
3805[22:44:16] <Lurker6*> seems to repeat at |
3806[22:45:57] <Lurker6*> thats ^andv v, 15 shifts, which is end of your proof
3807[22:46:17] <Lurker6*> damn i have to go afk
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3814[03:46:53] <|343373|> what the
3815[03:46:53] <|343373|> what happened to cicadian channel? LOL
3816[03:47:02] <|343373|> What happened while I was away?
3817[06:45:00] <|343373|> Have you figured the first encryption yet?
3818[06:47:20] <Lurker6*> hi, nope
3819[06:47:33] <Lurker6*> didnt have time to work on LP these days
3820[06:47:47] <|343373|> kk
3821[06:47:52] <Lurker6*> i still havent figured out how your proof works
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3824[10:35:42] <|343373|> I dont feel like anyone is trying... I lit. gave the way to solve(how to look/approach at) it in that proof.. :/
3825[10:38:15] <Lurker6*> i am looking at your proof, and am trying to continue the same way you did, since you gave me one mor erepetition of ^and v
3826[10:38:26] <Lurker6*> and i am not finding a pattern
3827[10:40:06] <|343373|> you have the solved thing already... just find both ^ and v and look for the pattern to understand how it works, also look at the 2nd magic square it will answer the other question you had
3828[10:40:34] <Lurker6*> http://prntscr.com/bpf2j1
3829[10:40:43] <|343373|> a pattarn in 2nd square*
3830[10:41:46] <Lurker6*>  4 3 8 5 * * * 2 8 3 8 6 5 * * are 'pattern' values below your ^ v line
3831[10:42:05] <Lurker6*> not sure yet how to transform them to any of patterns
3832[10:42:20] <|343373|> youre over complicating it
3833[10:46:34] <|343373|> also theres no 0^0v
3834[10:46:5*] <|343373|> its 2*^2*v or dr(mod*) 2
3835[10:52:36] <|343373|> 2*^ or 2*v not saying which
3836[11:03:37] <Lurker6*> there is ^andv, so it could be both, but in your proof in one case ^andv spread across two runes (TH E)
3837[11:04:21] <Lurker6*> appears to me that I need to look deeper, while you are saying i am overcomplicating thigs
3838[11:05:01] <|343373|> in that function/formula the ^ v ^v v^ ^/v v/^ arent permanently fixed they keep changing places
3839[11:05:34] <|343373|> in lower pages which use magic squares they are 100% constant
3840[11:05:57] <|343373|> they follow a pattern
3841[11:06:05] <|343373|> but they are not fixed to the same spot
3842[11:07:31] <|343373|> the 2*^ or 2*v should fix your problem of trying to find the right shifting pattern
3843[11:08:45] <|343373|> also 17^12v (8 3) not 12v17^(3 8)
3844[11:10:11] <|343373|> and its not 17^12v but 17^/12v
3845[11:13:05] <Lurker6*> <|343373|> Idk how much I can stretch the line but...  ^   v* and ^*   ^    ^ and  v     v and  ^     ^ and v  v   v and  ^ v and v ...
3846[11:13:42] <Lurker6*> this is how you stretched pattern previously, with * i marked this 12v17^ 
3847[11:14:12] <|343373|> stretched rules, not the pattern.
3848[11:14:53] <Lurker6*> it shoould be fist v then ^ also this would repeat the up down pattern from previous 15 up down shifts
3849[11:14:57] <|343373|> theres logic to that pattern and it continues in the next set of runes
3850[11:16:23] <Lurker6*> if you change order of 17/12 to 12/17 you get 10*1*110011000100 for first set and 11*0*110011000100 for second set
3851[11:16:24] <|343373|> sigh just for for the pattern of /7 in the 2nd set and youll understand
3852[11:16:32] <|343373|> look for *
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3861[15:41:11] <|343373|> You can add this into the pastebin : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_decimal
3862[15:44:3*] <|343373|> Also can add this: http://prnt.sc/bmylec which you gave already... lol
3863[15:48:38] <|343373|> wait.. the pattern you gave there is the typo'd one xD
3864[15:48:3*] <|343373|> LOL
3865[15:51:40] <|343373|> The Real Pattern of Page 73(OR 56 of 0-57.jpg):
3866[15:51:40] <|343373|>   1    2  3   4      5       6      7   8   *  10  11 12  13 ... Rune Count
3867[15:51:40] <|343373|>   o    1  2   3      o       1      2   3   4   o   1  2   3 ... Rep of 1
3868[15:51:40] <|343373|>   A    N  E   N      D       W      I  TH   I   N  TH  E   D ... Letter
3869[15:51:40] <|343373|> (1^) 27v 4^ (6^)  10^/1*v 17v/12^ 16^ 11v (7v)  1v  1^22v 18v ... Shift
3870[15:51:41] <|343373|>  (1)   *  4  (6)    |1|     8 3     7   2  (7)  1    5     * ... Patterns
3871[15:51:43] <|343373|>   ^    v  ^   ^     ^ v     v ^     ^   v   v   v   ^ v    v ... Direction
3872[15:51:45] <|343373|>   o    1  2   o      1       2      3   4   o   1   2 3    4 ... Rep of 1, 6, 7
3873[15:52:32] <|343373|> ugh sec
3874[15:54:42] <|343373|> There:
3875[15:54:45] <|343373|> The Real Pattern of Page 73(OR 56 of 0-57.jpg):
3876[15:54:45] <|343373|>   1    2  3   4     5       6      7   8   *  10 11 12  13 ... Rune Count
3877[15:54:46] <|343373|>   o    1  2   3     o       1      2   3   4   o  1  2   3 ... Rep of 1
3878[15:54:46] <|343373|>   A    N  E   N     D       W      I  TH   I   N TH  E   D ... Letter
3879[15:54:47] <|343373|> (1^) 27v 4^ (6^) 10^/1*v 17v/12^ 16^ 11v (7v) 1v 1^22v 18v ... Shift
3880[15:54:4*] <|343373|>  (1)   *  4  (6)   |1|     8 3     7   2  (7)  1   5     * ... Patterns
3881[15:54:51] <|343373|>   ^    v  ^   ^    ^ v     v ^     ^   v   v   v  ^ v    v ... Direction
3882[15:54:53] <|343373|>   o    1  2   o     1       2      3   4   o   1  2 3    4 ... Rep of 1, 6, 7
3883[15:57:43] <Lurker6*> hmm, where is the differnce?
3884[15:58:23] <|343373|> more organized
3885[16:00:05] <Lurker6*> i see in 4th line
3886[16:01:14] <|343373|> The one you posted in pastebin has the direction typo
3887[16:03:03] <|343373|> kk its good now
3888[16:04:30] <Lurker6*> it was that first version with 1v22v, now its fixed
3889[16:05:05] <|343373|> ik kk :)
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3891[18:02:43] <|343373|> Can I have a log please? :)
3892[18:06:44] <Lurker6*> here http://pastebin.com/DNHVg22f
3893[18:1*:40] <|343373|> thanks
3894[21:08:12] <|343373|> lurker read the log of when you were afk
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3896[02:02:16] <|343373|> Do you have pgp atm?
3897[02:02:33] <|343373|> can you try verify my msg and see if it shows just email?
3898[02:03:03] <Lurker6*> yeah let me set it up
3899[02:04:11] <|343373|> Dont keep key id kk? :P
3900[02:04:43] <|343373|> I trust you about it because you already seen my email.. lol
3901[02:06:08] <|343373|> http://pastebin.com/wHqdbg0V
3902[02:08:17] <Lurker6*> without your public key i see only this http://prntscr.com/bs6hzk
3903[02:0*:13] <Lurker6*> wiht your public key i see this http://prntscr.com/bs6iko
3904[02:10:03] <|343373|> well fk...
3905[02:12:03] <Lurker6*> http://prntscr.com/bs6jf6 this is what i see if i give all the trust too signature and certify it
3906[02:12:58] <|343373|> What does it show in my info when you look up my key?
3907[02:12:58] <Lurker6*> http://prntscr.com/bs6jpv name is seen only in keychain and deatails
3908[02:13:25] <Lurker6*> https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=c*48372615%40gmail.com&op=index
3909[02:13:31] <|343373|> i see...
3910[02:13:31] <Lurker6*> name and email
3911[02:15:00] <Lurker6*> i think that cicada used Cicada 3301 (845145127) in email field, https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x181F01E57A350*0F
3912[02:15:17] <|343373|> ....
3913[02:15:23] <Lurker6*> you dont have to put actual email in email field when you create key
3914[02:17:51] <Lurker6*> http://prntscr.com/bs6lbs no
3915[02:18:12] <|343373|> your key still says your name though
3916[02:18:18] <Lurker6*> they left email field empty, used Cicada 3301 as name and 845145127 as comment
3917[02:18:21] <|343373|> whats wrong with mine
3918[02:18:22] <|343373|> LOL
3919[02:18:34] <|343373|> sigh
3920[02:20:04] <|343373|> kk, i never checked my signed messages on that certificate
3921[02:21:51] <|343373|> btw... uhhh delete me from your certificates please :)
3922[02:28:50] <Lurker6*> Kleopatra doesnt allow to create PGP key without email though
3923[02:2*:2*] <|343373|> I created mine long ago though, without kleopatra xD
3924[02:2*:31] <|343373|> well nvm
3925[02:35:18] <|343373|> did you delete it? btw Marcus had a pgp regged at mit since 2011 :o
3926[02:36:1*] <Lurker6*> yeah deleted
3927[02:3*:44] <|343373|> kk thanks
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3933[1*:26:16] <|343373|> Hi
3934[20:00:21] <Lurker6*> hi havent worked much on pattern these days
3935[20:00:55] <Lurker6*> i am not at home so i dont have mauch time to spend infront of computer, so i dont have many questions at the moment
3936[20:01:43] <|343373|> Heres something interesing about numbers :)
3937[20:01:44] <|343373|> Multiplication Table:
3938[20:01:44] <|343373|> x 12345678*
3939[20:01:44] <|343373|>   vvvvvvvvv
3940[20:01:44] <|343373|> 1>12345678*
3941[20:01:44] <|343373|> 2>24681357*
3942[20:01:46] <|343373|> 3>36*36*36*
3943[20:01:50] <|343373|> 4>48372615*
3944[20:01:52] <|343373|> 5>51627384*
3945[20:01:54] <|343373|> 6>63*63*63*
3946[20:01:56] <|343373|> 7>75318642*
3947[20:01:58] <|343373|> 8>87654321*
3948[20:02:00] <|343373|> *>*********
3949[20:02:02] <|343373|> Configuration of '1':
3950[20:02:04] <|343373|>  12345678*
3951[20:02:06] <|343373|>  1357*2468
3952[20:02:08] <|343373|>  147147147 *3 (147 instead of 36*)
3953[20:02:10] <|343373|>  15*483726
3954[20:02:12] <|343373|>  1627384*5
3955[20:02:14] <|343373|>  174174174 *6 (174 instead of 63*)
3956[20:02:16] <|343373|>  18642*753
3957[20:02:20] <|343373|>  1*8765432
3958[20:02:22] <|343373|>  111111111 ** (111 instead of ***)
3959[20:02:24] <|343373|> Configuration of '2':
3960[20:02:26] <|343373|> 2345678*1
3961[20:02:28] <|343373|> 24681357*
3962[20:02:30] <|343373|> 258258258 *3 (258 instead of 36*)
3963[20:02:32] <|343373|> 2615*4837
3964[20:02:34] <|343373|> 27384*516
3965[20:02:36] <|343373|> 285285285 *6 (285 instead of 63*)
3966[20:02:38] <|343373|> 2*7531864
3967[20:02:40] <|343373|> 21*876543
3968[20:02:42] <|343373|> 222222222 ** (222 instead of ***)
3969[20:02:44] <|343373|> Configuration of '3':
3970[20:02:46] <|343373|> 345678*12
3971[20:02:50] <|343373|> 357*24681
3972[20:02:52] <|343373|> 36*36*36* *3 (36* instead of 36*)
3973[20:02:54] <|343373|> 372615*48
3974[20:02:56] <|343373|> 384*51627
3975[20:02:58] <|343373|> 3*63*63*6 *6 (3*6 instead of 63*)
3976[20:03:00] <|343373|> 318642*75
3977[20:03:02] <|343373|> 321*87654
3978[20:03:04] <|343373|> 333333333 ** (333 instead of ***)
3979[20:03:06] <|343373|> Configuration of '4':
3980[20:03:08] <|343373|> 45678*123
3981[20:03:10] <|343373|> 4681357*2
3982[20:03:12] <|343373|> 471471471 *3 (471 instead of 36*)
3983[20:03:14] <|343373|> 48372615*
3984[20:03:16] <|343373|> 4*5162738
3985[20:03:20] <|343373|> 417417417 *6 (417 instead of 63*)
3986[20:03:22] <|343373|> 42*753186
3987[20:03:24] <|343373|> 4321*8765
3988[20:03:26] <|343373|> 444444444 ** (444 instead of ***)
3989[20:03:28] <|343373|> Configuration of '5':
3990[20:03:30] <|343373|> 5678*1234
3991[20:03:32] <|343373|> 57*246813
3992[20:03:34] <|343373|> 582582582 *3 (582 instead of 36*)
3993[20:03:36] <|343373|> 5*4837261
3994[20:03:38] <|343373|> 51627384*
3995[20:03:40] <|343373|> 528528528 *6 (528 instead of 63*)
3996[20:03:42] <|343373|> 5318642*7
3997[20:03:44] <|343373|> 54321*876
3998[20:03:46] <|343373|> 555555555 ** (555 instead of ***)
3999[20:03:50] <|343373|> Configuration of '6':
4000[20:03:52] <|343373|> 678*12345
4001[20:03:54] <|343373|> 681357*24
4002[20:03:56] <|343373|> 6*36*36*3 *3 (6*3 instead of 36*)
4003[20:03:58] <|343373|> 615*48372
4004[20:04:00] <|343373|> 627384*51
4005[20:04:02] <|343373|> 63*63*63* *6 (63* instead of 63*)
4006[20:04:04] <|343373|> 642*75318
4007[20:04:06] <|343373|> 654321*87
4008[20:04:08] <|343373|> 666666666 ** (666 instead of ***)
4009[20:04:10] <|343373|> Configuration of '7':
4010[20:04:12] <|343373|> 78*123456
4011[20:04:14] <|343373|> 7*2468135
4012[20:04:16] <|343373|> 714714714 *3 (714 instead of 36*)
4013[20:04:20] <|343373|> 72615*483
4014[20:04:22] <|343373|> 7384*5162
4015[20:04:24] <|343373|> 741741741 *6 (741 instead of 63*)
4016[20:04:26] <|343373|> 75318642*
4017[20:04:28] <|343373|> 7654321*8
4018[20:04:30] <|343373|> 777777777 ** (777 instead of ***)
4019[20:04:32] <|343373|> Configuration of '8':
4020[20:04:34] <|343373|> 8*1234567
4021[20:04:36] <|343373|> 81357*246
4022[20:04:38] <|343373|> 825825825 *3 (825 instead of 36*)
4023[20:04:40] <|343373|> 8372615*4
4024[20:04:42] <|343373|> 84*516273
4025[20:04:44] <|343373|> 852852852 *6 (852 instead of 63*)
4026[20:04:46] <|343373|> 8642*7531
4027[20:04:50] <|343373|> 87654321*
4028[20:04:52] <|343373|> 888888888 ** (888 instead of ***)
4029[20:04:54] <|343373|> Configuration of '*':
4030[20:04:56] <|343373|> *12345678
4031[20:04:58] <|343373|> *24681357
4032[20:05:00] <|343373|> *36*36*36 *3 (*36 instead of 36*)
4033[20:05:02] <|343373|> *48372615
4034[20:05:04] <|343373|> *51627384
4035[20:05:06] <|343373|> *63*63*63 *6 (*63 instead of 63*)
4036[20:05:08] <|343373|> *75318642
4037[20:05:10] <|343373|> *87654321
4038[20:05:12] <|343373|> ********* ** (*** instead of ***)
4039[20:05:20] <Lurker6*> sexy
4040[20:05:51] <Lurker6*> i was planning to do multiplication tables in google sheet, i can now use those
4041[20:06:21] <Lurker6*> btw shouldnt Configuration of '*' be just *s in all rows and columns
4042[20:06:22] <Lurker6*> ?
4043[20:06:48] <Lurker6*> no, i am idiot
4044[20:07:05] <Lurker6*> its just starting point of the pattern
4045[20:07:25] <|343373|> :)
4046[20:08:56] <Lurker6*> its nice how you get same patterns in in vertical columns as in horizontal rows
4047[20:10:52] <|343373|> our base10 system is so stupid.. but it allows change to 2 polar neutrals instead of to just base n-1(in base n-1[prime] system) perfect neutral
4048[20:14:46] <Lurker6*> i saw this on numberphile the other day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JM2oImb*Qg
4049[20:17:46] <|343373|> This is true only for counting whole '1's
4050[20:24:10] <|343373|> What Plato done was 1*2*3*4*5*6*7 (up to the first proper prime) to get the opposite of a prime.
4051[20:24:22] <|343373|> first opposite*
4052[20:26:23] <Lurker6*> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-I6XTVZXww lol that shit is crazy
4053[20:32:24] <|343373|> he gets *4 pattern
4054[20:32:34] <|343373|> not - 1/12
4055[20:32:37] <|343373|> =.="
4056[20:32:47] <|343373|> They go against the natural rules.
4057[23:55:37] <|343373|> is the editing open on purpose? lol
4058[23:56:26] <Lurker6*> yeah, i dont think anyone will fuck with it, and even if they do i can revert everytiong
4059[23:56:35] <Lurker6*> and i made a copy
4060[23:56:45] <|343373|> kk
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4065[04:5*:15] <|343373|> <marcusw> yeah he PM'd me the other day and gave me a heads-up that you made a key with a fake timestamp
4066[04:5*:16] <|343373|> <|343373|> .....
4067[04:5*:20] <|343373|> what?...
4068[05:02:07] <|343373|> <marcusw> all the solvers ops have compared notes on this
4069[05:02:08] <|343373|> <marcusw> and the thing that confuses us the most is that you're still expecting people to believe you
4070[05:02:28] <|343373|> <marcusw> I don't understand why you think you have some chance of anyone believing you
4071[05:02:28] <|343373|> <marcusw> the whole thing is just crappily done
4072[05:02:33] <|343373|> what?....
4073[08:58:0*] <-- |343373| (~343373@unaffiliated/343373/x-3874142) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
4074[15:20:00] <|343373|> I got disconnected, so I didnt get your reply if you replied anything
4075[15:35:50] <Lurker6*> hi , yeah becasue you mentioned his PGP key specifically, i asked him if if he knows why you would be knowing about his key (although it is easy to find) and i have told him that your PGP key looks like it has fake creation date since date is the same as 3301s key, which would be quite a conincidence if key doesnt have fake timestamp
4076[15:36:52] <Lurker6*> unless you are trying to suggest that your and cicadas PGP keys were created at same time on same computer, which would be another hardly believable claim
4077[16:20:46] <Lurker6*> regardlesss PGP shenanigans i still havent given up on patterns approach, i am tyring to expand your proof on 3rd set of runes on page 56
4078[16:21:31] <Lurker6*> http://prntscr.com/bv*gnr
4079[16:44:46] <Lurker6*> but with including up and down shifts and option to add up and down values of one rune or two values of two runes next to each other together you can find /7 pattern almost anywhere http://prntscr.com/bv*t1a 
4080[16:45:25] <Lurker6*> i have to go now, ill look into it a bit more later
4081[16:48:0*] <|343373|> After 2011 they had us(those who passed in 2011) all make a key on 4th-5th of jan 2012.
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4088[1*:22:45] <|343373|> Dont forget about the golden ratio while playing with the fibonacci mod n pattern. :)
4089[1*:24:22] <Lurker6*> only whole numbers no golden ratio
4090[1*:26:51] <|343373|> Pi ? (golden ratio^2)*1.2
4091[1*:27:35] <Lurker6*> i am not over with it yet but seems that for all patterns of n^even m you get palindromic patterns, while for n^odd m you don't
4092[1*:27:41] <Lurker6*> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10K0LW4gpKq-0OFDxAJ3Q4b*h3hWYMU3PzJtiGlQglIM/edit?usp=sharing
4093[1*:28:31] <Lurker6*> i need to do tables for primes, i tried fibonacci and n and that even=palindrome odd=not palindromes stands for both
4094[1*:30:1*] <|343373|> (1/1, 2/1, 3/2, 5/3, 8/5, 13/8, ..., or 1/1, 1/2, 2/3, 3/5, 5/8, 8/13, ...) are ratios of successive Fibonacci numbers, the higher you go the closer you get to the golden ratio.
4095[1*:32:26] <|343373|> Fibonacci pattern in mod* is 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 4, 3, 7, 1, 8, *, 8, 8, 7, 6, 4, 1, 5, 6, 2, 8, 1, *
4096[1*:33:42] <|343373|> 1st 12 numbers        11235843718*
4097[1*:33:43] <|343373|> 2nd 12 numbers        88764156281*
4098[1*:33:43] <|343373|> Added           ************
4099[1*:33:55] <|343373|> 1st 12 numbers        11235843718*
4100[1*:33:55] <|343373|> 2nd 12 numbers        88764156281*
4101[1*:33:55] <|343373|> Added          ************ *
4102[1*:36:10] <Lurker6*> interesting
4103[1*:43:58] <Lurker6*> same thing happens at mod7
4104[1*:44:04] <Lurker6*> 1 1 2 3 5 1 6 * 6 6 5 4 2 6 1 *
4105[1*:44:04] <Lurker6*> 1 1 2 3 5 1 6 * 
4106[1*:44:04] <Lurker6*> 6 6 5 4 2 6 1 * +
4107[1*:44:04] <Lurker6*> 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 *
4108[1*:45:10] <|343373|> mod 5 and mod 3 too :)
4109[1*:45:4*] <|343373|> and theres no * in mod7
4110[1*:46:11] <|343373|> its 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7
4111[1*:47:02] <|343373|> (7=0 in base8)
4112[1*:56:1*] <|343373|> Btw look at n^5
4113[20:03:48] <Lurker6*> at n^5 mod * has pattern 15*72*48* almost /7 15*483726
4114[20:04:05] <|343373|> :)
4115[20:05:00] <|343373|> but its not /7
4116[20:05:08] <|343373|> :)
4117[20:07:27] <Lurker6*> brb, have to go
4118[20:11:3*] <|343373|> n^5 mod16 has the incomplete pattern of 1 3 5 7 * 2 4 6 ... every 2nd number( 1 16 3 16 5 16 7 16...), but it stops at 6
4119[20:18:34] <|343373|> (thats not important though)
4120[20:1*:5*] <|343373|> n^5 is interesting though :)
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4127[02:36:33] <|343373|> <Lurker6*> [13:27:2*] <|343373|> btw Liber Primus is almost like Undertale Sans, also youre the ones making it hard lol >was a joke
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4137[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 5. avgust 2016}
4138[10:47:44] <|343373|> Hey, can I have the log from "<Lurker6*> that LAME is in original 761.mp3 also, version of mp3 in fake jpg is exact same file as original 761.mp3"?
4139[10:48:07] <|343373|> Can I please have*
4140[15:47:17] <Lurker6*> here http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?8a5abba618338ef0#cs1faYUrzXgVo76WOyFUsuo22Ja*hAe8p+sEiZnYcG8=
4141[15:47:17] * |343373|: No such nick/channel
4142[16:16:0*] <|343373|> Thanks
4143[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 6. avgust 2016}
4144[01:10:45] * |343373|: No such nick/channel
4145[01:10:57] * |343373|: No such nick/channel
4146[15:35:38] * |343373|: No such nick/channel
4147[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 7. avgust 2016}
4148[18:44:42] <Lurker6*> [01:37:2*] <|343373|> 1764 may or may not be related to goya btw :)
4149[18:44:42] <Lurker6*> like this, what is you he mean by this?
4150[18:44:42] <Lurker6*> i found few sources on internet stating incorrectly that goya was born in 1764
4151[18:44:42] <Lurker6*> which i think is typo, he was born in 1746
4152[18:44:42] <Lurker6*> in 1764 he lost some kind of nomination and he went dark for two years
4153[18:45:10] <|343373|> not about his birth
4154[18:45:15] <|343373|> yes
4155[18:46:11] <|343373|> more important than that though, 432 can help solve LP
4156[18:48:55] <Lurker6*> yeah i noticed that video about * being one and everything and about 1 4 7 6 being positive nad 8 5 2 and 3 being negative
4157[18:4*:58] <Lurker6*> which is same thing you were explaining to me, i was amazed you didnt show me that video earlier
4158[18:54:05] <Lurker6*> * being nothing* and everything
4159[18:55:16] <|343373|> I have my reasons, also notice when you were given the 2nd part of LP and when 432 puzzle was created.
4160[1*:00:48] <Lurker6*> 10/6/2014 seems to be first post about 432 on /x/, we got last pages of LP on 3/2/2014
4161[1*:05:32] <|343373|> The Onion 7 back in Feb? lol
4162[1*:06:55] <Lurker6*> i meant may second, 5/2/2014
4163[1*:07:05] <Lurker6*> 432 was october
4164[1*:08:56] <|343373|> :)
4165[1*:11:02] <|343373|> 16(10+6) and 7(5+2)
4166[1*:11:28] <Lurker6*> yeah i noticed, both dates are 7/7 and 7/7
4167[1*:11:37] <Lurker6*> 2014 is also 7
4168[1*:11:43] <|343373|> mhm
4169[1*:14:47] <|343373|> 432 are both a hint/help to solve LP and a distraction/decoy. 432 was made by a person who goes by the name of "gHOST3301", heres his message: https://clyp.it/q0lirphq (someone reuploaded it)
4170[1*:16:26] <|343373|> The cicadas there and the 3301 in his name are the only things that had an obvious link between 432 and 3301
4171[1*:1*:40] <Lurker6*> i think i have came acroos this nick before, cant remmeber where exactly
4172[1*:20:34] <Lurker6*> across*
4173[1*:21:37] <Lurker6*> i think this might be why i remember seeing it beforehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjBHyKo0wgU 
4174[1*:21:45] <Lurker6*> i think this might be why i remember seeing it before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjBHyKo0wgU 
4175[1*:22:36] <|343373|> He is someone who after making the hints started acting like a troll on purpose, so that ppl wouldnt suspect him too much lol
4176[1*:26:43] <|343373|> They made this bullshit later to appear as trolls: http://wearetheresistance.wikidot.com/
4177[1*:38:53] <|343373|> (gHOST3301 is not part of 3301, as far as a I know..)
4178[1*:48:48] <|343373|> HOLYSHIT forget all I just told you for now, I just figured something out, gotta check something
4179[1*:4*:56] <|343373|> THEY ARE RELATED TO PI MOBI too
4180[1*:50:00] <|343373|> wow... wtf
4181[1*:55:55] <Lurker6*> where is the connection?
4182[1*:56:23] <|343373|> http://wearetheresistance.wdfiles.com/local--files/main:start/despierta.mp3
4183[1*:56:26] <|343373|> there
4184[1*:58:20] <Lurker6*> yeah pi mobi guys also use clyp.it alot
4185[1*:58:36] <|343373|> http://wearetheresistance.wdfiles.com/local--files/main:start/Hello%20World%203301.mp4
4186[1*:58:38] <|343373|> this too
4187[1*:58:40] <|343373|> weird
4188[1*:58:41] <Lurker6*> https://clyp.it/1vabl0z3
4189[1*:5*:00] <|343373|> I think I found something I wasnt suppsoed to lol
4190[1*:5*:05] <Lurker6*> https://clyp.it/4hmv34py
4191[1*:5*:25] <Lurker6*> https://clyp.it/r3qapm4u
4192[1*:5*:34] <Lurker6*> those links are all from pi.mobi PMs
4193[1*:5*:47] <|343373|> welp if he is related to 3301 or just helped make 432 then made pi mobi after he was done idk
4194[20:02:12] <|343373|> Keep this to yourself for now, we dont know what we found there lol, I really wish I could contact 3301 through the rules page to ask them :/
4195[20:02:33] <|343373|> (if they are related or if its just a troll)
4196[20:14:23] <|343373|> Okay, I think he's bullshit that 3301 used for 432 in 2014
4197[20:1*:02] <Lurker6*> how did you found those files on http://wearetheresistance.wdfiles.com/local--files/main:start/ ?
4198[20:24:51] <|343373|> http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/ghost3301 > Recent contributions LOL!
4199[20:26:16] <Lurker6*> lol
4200[20:28:5*] <|343373|> Conclusion is, he is bullshit, but 432 does play a role, so he probably got discarded due to some reason and either started trying to solve pi mobi or involved with them.. lol
4201[20:30:48] <|343373|> I still think pi mobi is fake but does have hints from ppl who solved LP(atleast 50% of it)
4202[20:40:13] <Lurker6*> i found it hard to believe that people who are able to solve LP would be involved in pi.mobi, but you never know, everything is possible 
4203[20:41:22] <|343373|> Maybe just 1 person there
4204[20:42:05] <|343373|> not the whole group, probably just 1 person secretly adding actual hints into there
4205[20:42:36] <|343373|> But yeah then again, you never know, everything is possible
4206[20:45:01] <|343373|> http://wearetheresistance.wdfiles.com/local--files/blog:1/ghost3301_720.png Yeah this guy looks like a troll
4207[20:46:18] <|343373|> wait... or it might be hinting to the pic in the middle of 3301.jpg ... ffs
4208[21:3*:18] <|343373|> http://oi66.tinypic.com/2ppg77c.jpg
4209[21:3*:1*] <|343373|> what
4210[21:51:02] <|343373|> nvm gHOST3301 is just an unrelated troll
4211[22:24:21] <|343373|> I had my hopes up.. :/
4212[22:34:46] <|343373|> LURkER
4213[22:35:03] <|343373|> WHere did you meet sage?
4214[22:35:28] <Lurker6*> i dont think that guy is sage
4215[22:36:08] <Lurker6*> i met sage at 3301 and later at umbra arg, in 2012
4216[22:36:16] <|343373|> I talked to him a bit earlier.. he talked the same way as sage
4217[22:36:35] <Lurker6*> he was friend with marcus from n0v4 IRc network where one of 3301 channels was
4218[22:36:52] <|343373|> When I asked him if its him he suddenly stopped replying
4219[22:37:05] <Lurker6*> i sent message to sage on wickr, ill tell you if he answers
4220[22:37:28] <Lurker6*> i havent heard from him for long time
4221[22:37:2*] <|343373|> When have you last heard from sage?
4222[22:37:31] <|343373|> oh...
4223[22:42:52] <Lurker6*> [08:2*:4*] --> lardbucket (uid165212@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtrjluylcywqvpns) has joined #cicadasolvers
4224[22:42:52] <Lurker6*> [10:54:10] <-- lardbucket (uid165212@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtrjluylcywqvpns) has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
4225[22:43:22] <Lurker6*> seems he was online today, cca 14 hours ago, dindt say anything
4226[22:44:06] <|343373|> :o
4227[23:01:33] <|343373|> I kept trying to ask ghost if he knows whats 7/7=? or what its related to?
4228[23:01:41] <|343373|> he said:
4229[23:0*:25] <|343373|> <gHOST3301> I will share this , for I must be off for a bit to check on other things .
4230[23:0*:25] <|343373|>  <gHOST3301> 1. Mathematics is the language of nature......2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers....3. If you graph the system of any numbers patterns emerge....4. There are patterns everywhere in nature...... ...
4231[23:0*:31] <|343373|> <gHOST3301> I am neutral in this matter . And will not go into further detail on this . So Good Luck .   ;)
4232[23:10:03] <|343373|> <|343373|> I will ask you this then... Do you know what it equals to when youre dealing with a prime? yes/no?
4233[23:10:27] <|343373|> <gHOST3301> I have tried to be patience with you , and answered you're questions for you . What is so hard to understand that I will not help or give any hints on anything related to this puzzle .  I only give hints or help on my own accord at random times over the past years .
4234[23:10:47] <|343373|>  <|343373|> Im not asking for hints, Im trying to understand you... I know what 7/7 is lol
4235[23:11:04] <|343373|>  <@gHOST3301> No need to try to "understand" me . Much better things to focus on then this .
4236[23:11:12] <|343373|>  <@gHOST3301> Many have tried what you're trying to do over the years , you will not win this .  ;)
4237[23:11:1*] <|343373|>  <@gHOST3301> So leave it alone .
4238[23:11:4*] <|343373|>  <|343373|> Im sorry, Its just, I want to know if you know 7/7=?, not trying to find out anything else. (as proof that I do know it, Full Reptend *4 )
4239[23:11:51] <|343373|>  <@gHOST3301> I already told you I am not going to answer on topics of this nature . So please do not be redundant , for the 3rd time .
4240[23:11:58] <|343373|> What do you think?
4241[23:13:47] <|343373|> <@gHOST3301> If you "know" what you know , then no need to cross check it with me or anyone else right ? .  ;)
4242[23:13:58] <|343373|> <@gHOST3301> "We seek the best .........Not the followers" ........  ;)
4243[23:14:03] <|343373|> HMMMM
4244[23:14:06] <|343373|> ... O.o
4245[23:14:22] <|343373|> Btw keep this to yourself please.. lol
4246[23:17:25] <Lurker6*> he talks in similar way than you do, trying to be mysterious; but on the other hand he also talks about patterns being everywhere so has some knowledge of your patterns approach
4247[23:18:36] <|343373|> Which eitehr he finished LP too, or he's part of 3301
4248[23:18:3*] <|343373|> either*
4249[23:18:4*] <Lurker6*> interesting how he uses space before . and he uses dot even after ?
4250[23:1*:24] <|343373|> and all those ...............
4251[23:20:41] <Lurker6*> just knowing that patterns appear in nature doesnt mean he solved LP, but yeah he shares some number theory knowledge with you, he clearly knows about importance of digit * and positive negative digits, if he was solving 432 puzzle
4252[23:21:43] <Lurker6*> seems like he is also making fake 3301 look-alike puzzles, but 432 doesnt appear to be his creation
4253[23:23:34] <|343373|> yeah... Idk wait are you in that chat too?
4254[23:24:10] <Lurker6*> lol yeah
4255[23:24:25] <Lurker6*> i found that wikidot page http://howwillyoutelltheworld.wikidot.com/start
4256[23:24:30] <|343373|> FFS
4257[23:24:3*] <|343373|> This is embarrassing
4258[23:24:40] <|343373|> LOL
4259[23:25:04] <|343373|> Are you that Bruhaha?
4260[23:25:30] <|343373|> or fotr?
4261[23:25:43] <Lurker6*> yeah Bruhaha, i was asking him similar questions earlier
4262[23:26:00] <|343373|> LOL
4263[23:26:02] <|343373|> Fk
4264[23:26:06] <|343373|> what did he say?
4265[23:26:0*] <|343373|> can I have a log?
4266[23:26:24] <|343373|> you shouldve warned me, I'd go differently about it if I knew
4267[23:31:28] <Lurker6*> no need to warn you, also I wanted to use Bruhaha nick out of this
4268[23:31:31] <Lurker6*> logs
4269[23:32:42] <|343373|> ?
4270[23:33:23] <Lurker6*> https://linx.li/sp6wkb22.txt
4271[23:33:56] <Lurker6*> i asked him about links you posted, he denied being involved in pi.mobi or 432
4272[23:34:1*] <Lurker6*> but he would deny it even if he would be involved anyways
4273[23:35:05] <Lurker6*> although i dont think he is involved in any of those zwo, he is always signing his own puzzles with gHOST3301, he calls himself "messager"
4274[23:35:28] <Lurker6*> "messenger"
4275[23:41:07] <Lurker6*> he didnt say he solved LP but he is saying he is posting "clues", he dosnt say if clues are towards LP solution though, jsut vague statements about "find the path" 
4276[23:47:03] <|343373|> Sorry, Im slightly pissed at the way you made it sound... :/
4277[23:50:02] <Lurker6*> i appologize but i had to tell him why i was asking him questions, so i said that somebody is saying gHOST might be involved in432 and pi.mobi
4278[23:50:20] <|343373|> I didint say I was sure about it
4279[23:50:27] <|343373|> when I told about it to you
4280[23:50:41] <|343373|> It seemed like he made it
4281[23:51:08] <Lurker6*> and i called your patterm approach "troll attempt" since i dont know how should i call it until i figure out if it leads to LP solution or not
4282[23:54:15] <Lurker6*> but i havent gave up on it just yet, i just havent spent any time on this in past week or so
4283[23:55:22] <Lurker6*> i need to get back on those ^ v shifts
4284[00:00:00] - {Day changed to 8. avgust 2016}
4285[00:05:50] <|343373|> Sorry, normally I dont care about how Im presented or talked about behind my back, but in this case it somehow managed to touch me. (sorry I lost my mood atm)
4286[00:07:16] <|343373|> Thanks :/
4287[00:07:37] <|343373|> (about just now on the channel)
4288[00:0*:47] <Lurker6*> sorry again
4289[00:10:12] <Lurker6*> looks like gHOSt have been accused of being PM of 432 or 3302 few times before, and he acts like he doestn like it
4290[00:10:13] <|343373|> Its okay..
4291[00:10:43] <Lurker6*> but on the other hand he is using clear references to cicada and 3301 in his puzzles and even his nick...
4292[00:10:56] <Lurker6*> not sure why he exxpects people not to think he is somehow related
4293[00:15:02] <|343373|> And he was on guard when I came with the 7 / 7 = ? question because you said 7/7 there, so Im not sure if he actually answered it or it was a coincidence of periods(.) "......"
4294[00:28:01] <Lurker6*> not sure about number of ...., seems he just type random number of dots each time
4295[00:28:21] <Lurker6*> but he had said few interesting things like
4296[00:28:22] <|343373|> Didnt seem that way
4297[00:28:24] <|343373|> but maybe
4298[00:2*:4*] <Lurker6*>  " I will not help or give any hints on anything related to this puzzle .  I only give hints or help on my own accord at random times over the past years . "
4299[00:30:57] <Lurker6*> he does try to act like knows a bit more than other do, but this isnt surprizing from guy who likes puzzles in general
4300[00:31:20] <|343373|> The question is how much he knows...
4301[00:31:51] <|343373|> Now I cant find out if he's on the the rules page or not, since he's fully on guard against me now...
4302[00:31:52] <|343373|> ol
4303[00:32:02] <|343373|> lol
4304[00:33:38] <Lurker6*> <gHOST3301> "he claims that 432 is part of clues from 3301 about solution of LP"......Well this I could see , due to the very similar method's used to get the data and degree of output information given . 
4305[00:33:43] <Lurker6*> > similar method's
4306[00:33:46] <Lurker6*> i dont know
4307[00:34:20] <|343373|> He most likely solved atleast abit
4308[00:35:06] <Lurker6*> he sounds lots like you do, vague and mysterious, which makes it hard to tell if it is sincere and true or not
4309[00:35:28] <Lurker6*> i dont know if you solved anything either
4310[00:35:41] <|343373|> Yup, and how he's on guard against us, gg lol
4311[00:36:06] <|343373|> now*
4312[00:36:20] <Lurker6*> my vstance comes from solvers community which was based on sharing of knolwdge and openly talking about solutions with clear  explanations of every step of the puzzle
4313[00:37:48] <Lurker6*> so i dont like your or his way of that mysterious shenanigans, i am for transparency at all costs
4314[00:38:10] <|343373|> If he's at the rules page or had any time of contact with 3301 then I understand why he's acting like that, since I do have rule lines I must not cross..
4315[00:38:30] <|343373|> Sorry :/
4316[00:3*:21] <Lurker6*> i can understand that if LP explicitly says that nothing from it can be shared, you respect that and dont want to share any of it 
4317[00:3*:27] <|343373|> any type*
4318[00:40:08] <Lurker6*> but i hard it find to believe that most of the people who found solution of at least part of LP would not share it with others
4319[00:40:47] <Lurker6*> in my opinion most poeople would rush to wikia and reddit as soon as they would decode 3 words from a page
4320[00:41:11] <|343373|> If they rules didnt say I couldnt share and if I havent finished LP (getting to that rules page) I wouldve been able to talk almost openly about what I found etc...
4321[00:43:40] <Lurker6*> thats part of my point, why you or anybody else didnt start talking about cipher key before you got to the rules page? i know some poeple want to solve it by themselves before they publish any results
4322[00:44:10] <Lurker6*> but most of us in solvers comunity start sharing solution as soon as we see it leads somewhere
4323[00:44:16] <|343373|> Well... I didnt see the need to share it back then.. the first hour after getting 0-57 (which werent publicly released back then yet) I already managed to find the solution for 00-14.jpg :/
4324[00:44:22] <Lurker6*> but i cant expect everyone to act like this ofcourse
4325[00:46:01] <|343373|> And they were clear about wanting ppl to work alone when they gave the 00-74 on that page...
4326[00:4*:08] <|343373|> There was nothing about not sharing results etc, and just said to work alone... But because I was able to solve it by myself I didnt see the need to share it back then.. and then when I got to rules page I couldnt already..
4327[00:50:04] <|343373|> (While solving it I thought it was a race again)
4328[00:50:56] <Lurker6*> so you alone solved first 17 (solved) pages and then next 14 (unsolved) pages in an hour?
4329[00:51:24] <|343373|> first 17 long before that
4330[00:51:34] <Lurker6*> or did i understand you wrong when you said that you got 0-74 pages all at once and you got them in parts as we did?
4331[00:52:08] <|343373|> then the first hour after I found 0-57 I found the method to solve 0-14
4332[00:52:21] <|343373|> then took me few days for the next one
4333[00:53:08] <|343373|> Its not that hard overall.. you're just looking at it wrong
4334[00:54:52] <|343373|> the first 17 and the 0-57 were released at different times, when they game the 00-74 they had the first 17 in them already, but the first 17 were there before the 00-74 update
4335[00:55:01] <|343373|> they gave*
4336[00:56:01] <Lurker6*> i need to finish that ^ v pattern you posted as proof first, then i need to check that same ^ v thing would work on first 17 pages
4337[00:56:12] <|343373|> first 17 at the end of 2013, then it suddenly turned into 00-74 after some months
4338[00:57:58] <Lurker6*> although i am not entirely sure how decryption would work even if you know the ^v pattern, since for example 2^ in base 10 can mean shift for 2, 11 or 20 in base30, and thats not even including all the possibilites where one number in pattern can be sum of two shits for two runes standing next to each other
4339[00:58:00] <|343373|> 00-16 turned into 00-74 after some months
4340[00:58:40] <|343373|> dont look at the ^ v for the first 15 pages
4341[00:58:5*] <|343373|> just find the pattern and use it.
4342[00:5*:38] <|343373|> the mod2* shifting pattern will mod* into a pattern you know...
4343[01:00:13] <|343373|> I cant say more than that...
4344[01:02:01] <Lurker6*> i have been looking at that before, didnt found any pattern though
4345[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> DIUINITY
4346[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> 23^6v 10^1*v 1^28v 10^1*v *^20v 10^1*v 16^13v 26^3v
4347[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> 5  6   1  1  1  1   1  1  *  2  1   1   7  4   8 3 
4348[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> FIRFUMFERENFE
4349[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> 2*^2*v 10^1*v 4^25v 2*^2*v 1^28v 1*^10v 2*^2*v 18^11v 4^25v 18^11v *^20v 2*^2*v 18^11v
4350[01:02:20] <Lurker6*> 2  2    1  1  4  7  2  2   1  1   1  1   2  2   *  2  4  7   *  2  *  2   2  2   *  2
4351[01:06:31] <Lurker6*> and that atbash works completely differently since it is monoalphabetic and pattern of /14 needs to be applied to gematria not to runes in ciphertext as with polyalphabetic cipher in previous two examples
4352[01:07:30] <Lurker6*> brb
4353[02:06:1*] <|343373|> Whats did you set as the server? Mine keeps either not finding or refusing connection lol
4354[02:07:20] <Lurker6*> Host: cfyfz6afpgfeirst.onion
4355[02:07:20] <Lurker6*> Port: 6667
4356[02:07:20] <Lurker6*> Connection is already encrypted by Tor, so do NOT enable additional SSL for the connection. 
4357[02:07:37] <Lurker6*> dissable ssl
4358[02:07:44] <|343373|> Weird its rejecting or not finding it.. lol
4359[02:0*:00] <Lurker6*> and you have to proxy it, 127.0.0.1 and port *150, if you are using default tor settings
4360[02:0*:21] <Lurker6*> maybe you dont have proxy settings right
4361[02:11:48] <|343373|> wait what proxy type?
4362[02:11:5*] <Lurker6*> socks 5
4363[02:18:18] <|343373|> Connection refused LOl
4364[02:23:37] <Lurker6*> hmm... and you have tor browser/boundle running right?
4365[02:23:45] <|343373|> yeah
4366[02:23:47] <|343373|> lol
4367[02:25:18] <Lurker6*> i dont know specifics about your client, but as i said mine for some reason demands to restart it before you I connect to newly created onion server IRC network
4368[02:25:58] <|343373|> kk Ill try again later, thanks
4369[02:26:20] <Lurker6*> but for all clients it should work if you use add: cfyfz6afpgfeirst.onion port: 6667 ssl: OFF  proxy: localhost or 127.0.0.1 port: *150
4370[02:28:16] <Lurker6*> maybe you have tor on poet *050 not on *150
4371[02:28:23] <|343373|> I think I know whats the problem, Ill try fix it later, thanks anyway lol
4372[02:28:45] <Lurker6*> its on *150 only if you use tor browser it hink, linux versions are still on *050 iirc
4373[02:33:32] <Lurker6*> you can try cyberguerilla one to check if only Anarplex server rejects your connection
4374[02:34:06] <Lurker6*> CyberGuerrilla 6dvj6v5imhny3anf.onion port:66*7 SSL:ON proxy:127.0.0.1 port:*150
4375[02:34:13] <Lurker6*> that one also works for me
4376[22:3*:0*] * |343373|: No such nick/channel
4377[00:00:00] - {Day changed to *. avgust 2016}
4378[05:41:25] <Lurker6*> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbyc*JW3vtk
4379[05:41:25] * |343373|: No such nick/channel
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4386Aug 03 2016 16:31:42	<|343373|>	Btw you dont believe me about the 3301 public puzzles starting back in 2011? :)
4387Aug 03 2016 16:33:23	<brotherBox>	its not like i disbelieve
4388Aug 03 2016 16:33:34	<brotherBox>	but i have never seen anything credible that supports that
4389Aug 03 2016 16:33:3*	<|343373|>	3301 have not chosen the year to begin the public puzzles randomly, and I am sure you are aware that they do not make mistakes in their plans. Look whats 1033 Dec to Octal.
4390Aug 03 2016 16:33:51	<brotherBox>	they do make mistakes
4391Aug 03 2016 16:34:22	<|343373|>	They do but not of the timing kind...
4392Aug 03 2016 16:34:35	<brotherBox>	i really dont care about numerical coincidences, if you show me a cicada message or something from 2011 this entire thing looks different
4393Aug 03 2016 16:34:53	<brotherBox>	but assertions arent going to demonstrate anything
4394Aug 03 2016 16:35:43	<brotherBox>	also nothing about the tonus from 2012, the first puzzle that is documented, speaks to there having been previous puzzles
4395Aug 03 2016 16:36:20	<brotherBox>	look back to the reddit phase of the puzzle, there is a doormat image saying "Welcome", and they give instructions that from this point onwards they would sign their communications
4396Aug 03 2016 16:36:37	<|343373|>	They had us all(the 2011) create pgp key back on 4th~5th of jan 2012, so there was no pgp sign back in 2011
4397Aug 03 2016 16:36:57	<brotherBox>	then you have a really hard time proving that
4398Aug 03 2016 16:37:12	<brotherBox>	and if experience is any guide you are either wrong, mistaken or trolling
4399Aug 03 2016 16:37:5*	<brotherBox>	so by basically having said that there is no hard proof, i fail to see why you even bring it up
4400Aug 03 2016 16:3*:02	<|343373|>	Then I guess its just another "numerical coincidence" to you :)
4401Aug 03 2016 16:3*:12	<brotherBox>	this is not about what i believe
4402Aug 03 2016 16:3*:26	<brotherBox>	this is about what you believe and more/most importantly, why you believe it
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4408<Fu-Xi> 7 / 7 = ?
4409<amone> @wa 7/7
4410<amone> !wa 7/7
4411<TaiiwoBot> 7/7
4412<TaiiwoBot> 1
4413<TaiiwoBot> one
4414<TaiiwoBot> *
4415<Fu-Xi> 7 / 7 = ? (other than 1)
4416<amone> <TaiiwoBot> *
4417<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: that is complete nonsense
4418<brotherBox> wasnt that said in a forum thread
4419<brotherBox> well, 7/7 = 1 there is no question about t
4420<brotherBox> *it
4421<brotherBox> there is just no other real solution
4422<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: https://github.com/AceLewis/my_first_calculator.py/blob/master/my_first_calculator.py
4423<TaiiwoBot> ^ my_first_calculator.py/my_first_calculator.py at master · AceLewis/my_first_calculator.py · GitHub https://tinyurl.com/zokgl6k ^
4424<ComicSys> hola
4425<ComicSys> I have returned
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4428<brotherBox> 7 / 7 = ?
4429<dude12312414> I think 7 / 7 = ?Å»??? ?Å»)
4430<dude12312414> ?Å»??? ?Å») ?Å»??? ?Å») ?Å»??? ?Å») ?Å»??? ?Å») ?Å»??? ?Å») ?Å»??? ?Å») ?Å»??? ?Å») ?Å»??? ?Å») ?Å»??? ?Å») ?Å»??? ?Å»)
4431<dude12312414> ehh
4432*Getrennt (Die Verbindung wurde vom Kommunikationspartner zurückgesetzt).
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4436*bigfuxer setzt Modus +i auf bigfuxer
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4438*Das Thema für #cicadasolvers ist: 2016: https://anonm.gr/up/408a.jpg | PLEASE READ: https://sr.ht/nVzx.png | FORUM: http://cicada3301.boards.net/ | RUNE ANALYSER: http://git.io/xQrlUg | WIKI: http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/ | http://goo.gl/aNHvg* | Liber Primus: http://tinyurl.com/2014onion7
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4440-ChanServ- [#cicadasolvers] Please read the topic and wiki before asking any questions.
4441*ChanServ gibt Channel-Operator-Status an Killjoy
4442<bigfuxer> {"total_hosts":152144,"clients":104,"unscanned_hosts":103837,"scanned_hosts":48307}
4443<bigfuxer> scanning all prime ports + range from last years boxes
4444<brotherBox> damn
4445<brotherBox> i didnt know you were doing that
4446<brotherBox> that is some grade a autism and i am very impressed
4447<bigfuxer> haha.. yeah.. please don't get the impression it's only me.. the other guys just aren't as verbose ;)
4448<bigfuxer> nap at beach now.. cya
4449<amone1> lazy bigfuxer
4450<glyph_> hEre cOME DaT BOI
4451<glyph_> O SHIT WADDUp
4452<windweht> ?
4453<windweht> sorry?
4454<glyph_> memes
4455<glyph_> ok bois
4456<glyph_> lets solve this shit u kno
4457<windweht> if it where that easy...
4458<windweht> u kno XD
4459<rmartins> there was a guy in the comment section of "2016 puzzle" page
4460<rmartins> that came up with some interesting results while trying vigenére
4461<glyph_> well vignére sounds like a nice idea
4462<glyph_> we just have to know the shift values if that was the answer
4463<glyph_> u know
4464<glyph_> boi
4465<brotherBox> hi
4466<windweht> :)
4467<windweht> hi
4468<brotherBox> windweht: thats a very german nick
4469<windweht> yes it is
4470<brotherBox> zumal es so stürmisch ist
4471<glyph_> BROTHERBOXXXXXXX
4472<glyph_> ich bin sehr scheisse
4473<brotherBox> i know im hot shit but not even i deserve that many X's
4474<brotherBox> glyph_: i am inclined to agree
4475<windweht> yes, you do
4476<windweht> at leas 3
4477<windweht> *least
4478<glyph_> brotherbox sounds like some deep web incest video
4479<glyph_> perfect timing
4480<windweht> viel besser
4481<brotherBoXXX> glyph_: i used to have the nick brother
4482<brotherBoXXX> but on freenode it wasnt available when i registered my nick
4483<glyph_> :((
4484<brotherBoXXX> so i went with brotherBox because who knows
4485<brotherBox> geht ne
4486<glyph_> is there any progress or everything's dead
4487<windweht> no and no
4488<rmartins> http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/2016_Puzzle#comm-text-23006
4489<TaiiwoBot> ^ 2016 Puzzle - Uncovering Cicada Wiki - Wikia ^
4490<brotherBox> windweht: what do you know
4491<brotherBox> actually
4492<brotherBox> that sounds rather promising
4493<glyph_> dat boi
4494<brotherBox> in fact
4495<brotherBox> if that is true it sounds rather brilliant
4496<brotherBox> >i have to admit, i tried to reproduce this using your method and this is not at all what i got. sorry.
4497<glyph_> what are you talking bout boi
4498<brotherBox> what rmartins just posted
4499<glyph_> gonna take a look u kno
4500<glyph_> "Cicada_Solver and XDDD dude"
4501<glyph_> damn the XDDD dude sounds like a nice guy
4502<brotherBox> i dont read wiki comments
4503<glyph_> part of the post
4504<glyph_> anyway sounds like a nice idea
4505<brotherBox> that post sounds great
4506<brotherBox> but it couldnt be reproduced apparently
4507<rmartins> brotherBox: yeah, I didnt try to reproduce either
4508<rmartins> but it looked interesting
4509<glyph_> cummies
4510<brotherBox> yes
4511<glyph_> grimestep and crack
4512<glyph_> is the shit i drop
4513<glyph_> bois
4514<Fu-Xi> The primes are sacred, totient function is sacred, 3 6 * 7 are the secret, 3301 is the lock, 7/7 is the key..The primes are sacred, totient function is sacred, 3 6 * 7 are the secret, 3301 is the lock, 7/7 is the key.. :o
4515<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: are you the guy in the /x/ threads
4516<Fu-Xi> what threads?
4517<brotherBox> the ones on /x/
4518<Fu-Xi> sec brb
4519<brotherBox> because i see this 3 6 * 7 crap everywhere
4520<brotherBox> and when someone asks whats it supposed to mean its all "u have to figure it out yourself LOL"
4521<brotherBox> it retarded
4522<Fu-Xi> oh wow those hints were given already ;) hmm yeah you could say its me :D -takes credit-
4523<brotherBox> yeah whats the deal with that
4524<Fu-Xi> I cant tell you more than what was told already sorry :o
4525<brotherBox> you know what you look like right
4526<Fu-Xi> mhm
4527<brotherBox> without anything to back up your claims you're frankly just annoying
4528<Sssooooouuul> yeah dude
4529*ChanServ gibt Channel-Operator-Status an Killjoy
4530<Sssooooouuul> any hints really becuase we dont trust people much anymore
4531<brotherBox> the thing is, if you convince me there's anything to it, quite a few people will open up to your thoughts
4532<brotherBox> Sssooooouuul: you're here for like 15m
4533<brotherBox> the way things are you sound like a self-important roleplayer. it doesnt need to be theat way
4534<brotherBox> *that
4535<Fu-Xi> There are rules to how it works, the way you look at things is important, if I give you an answer to something it might make you unable to find the right way/angle of looking at "everything"..
4536brotherBox entfernt Op-Status bei brotherBox
4537<brotherBox> who opped me
4538<windweht> :D
4539<brotherBox> i stepped down
4540<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: the problem is your incomplete approach
4541<brotherBox> what you're doing is teasing at a solution and people dont like to be baited into giving attention. if you kept silent it would be okay and if you talked frankly it would be okay
4542<Sssooooouuul> so i assume 7/7 is a reference to the bible
4543<Sssooooouuul> because seek and you will find or whatever it is
4544<Fu-Xi> no its purely number
4545<brotherBox> in my humble submission it is made up shit
4546<Fu-Xi> and nature of how laws work
4547<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: are we speaking of / in terms of division
4548<Fu-Xi> Okay, are you willing to lose your chance of getting the right angle of approach to things by getting the proof?
4549<Fu-Xi> yes brotherbox
4550<Sssooooouuul> of i thought the slash was seperation
4551<windweht> not that 7 / 7 != 1 stuff again...
4552<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: my angle can be corrected, i correct my perspectves many times a day
4553<Fu-Xi> no its actual division like 4/2 = 2
4554<Sssooooouuul> ok
4555<brotherBox> a proof is the ultimate demonstration that what you're saying is right
4556<brotherBox> after a successful proof you are almost impervious to criticim
4557<windweht> "ULTIMATE TRUTH IS THE ULTIMATE ILLUSION"
4558<Fu-Xi> yes i can provide you with one but it will make it very hard for you to find the right approach to things yourself after you see the proof
4559<Sssoul> Fu can you give us an example and still make it comprehendable how you got there
4560<Fu-Xi> the main point is for you to be able to find it yourself
4561<Sssoul> Like tell us what to look at, what perspective to start at
4562<iIIustrious> what's the trollin today lads
4563<brotherBox> to stay in the spirit of the new radiohead album https://boards.4chan.org/mu/thread/64687867
4564<TaiiwoBot> ^ /mu/ - RADIOHEAD LEAK GET IT NOW - Music - 4chan ^
4565<brotherBox> err
4566<brotherBox> https://i.4cdn.org/mu/1462727703123.png
4567<TaiiwoBot> ^ Image of: person(**%) sport(68%) ^
4568<brotherBox> >sport
4569<brotherBox> thom is not a sport
4570<brotherBox> he is a next level autist
4571<iIIustrious> lol
4572<Fu-Xi> the most hint i can give is that you need to look into te nature of the numbers.. one way of looking at the nature of them is to use digital root or mod*
4573<Fu-Xi> the
4574<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: i have never heard of anyone describing nature of numbers even remotely in terms of mod *
4575<Fu-Xi> nature of the laws behind the numbers. numbers are symbols for(and describing) a small portion of the rules by which the universe works
4576<windweht> It helps to see the digital root of a positive integer as the position it holds with respect to the largest multiple of * less than it. For example, the digital root of 11 is 2, which means that 11 is the second number after *. Likewise, the digital root of 2035 is 1, which means that 2035 - 1 is a multiple of *. If a number produces a digital root of exactly *, then the number is a multiple of *.
4577<iIIustrious> what an excellent list of random bullshit that is
4578<brotherBox> windweht: thats more musings on divisibility of numbers
4579<Fu-Xi> base10 goes from 0 to *, 11 is the 2 of the 2nd cycle
4580<brotherBox> rather than factoring in mod *
4581<Fu-Xi> well of the first cycles actually because 2 is of the 0th cycle
4582<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: you are inconsistent
4583<Fu-Xi> 0 is nothing, * is the biggest/perfect number of base10.
4584<brotherBox> how do you define perfect
4585<Fu-Xi> most complete number
4586<brotherBox> because there is a definition for a perfect natural number
4587<Sssoul> perfect factor i assume
4588<Fu-Xi> theres no digit higher than * in a base 10
4589<brotherBox> in fact, 6 is the only perfect number < 10
4590<brotherBox> as the sum of its divisors equal to itself
4591<Fu-Xi> once it becomes * when you multiply it it will stay * forever
4592<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: give an example
4593<Sssoul> um no
4594<Sssoul> 1* mod 10 is * multiply by 2 then its 8
4595<Fu-Xi> * *x = *
4596<Sssoul> not true though
4597<Fu-Xi> theres no 10th digit in base10
4598<Sssoul> 0-*
4599<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: thats right, when the overflow happens
4600<brotherBox> i fail to see the relation to anything
4601<Sssoul> * ,1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 when you mutiple * x 2
4602<Fu-Xi> 0 = nothing, * = everything, 10 = 1 of 2nd set and 0 of first set
4603<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: whats with all the numbers in between
4604<brotherBox> what are they
4605<iIIustrious> this sounds like facebookers kind of "deep" so far lol
4606<Fu-Xi> you can simplify base10 to the digits 1-* and a 0(nothing)
4607<Fu-Xi> they have their own behavior
4608<Fu-Xi> their own nature/laws by which they work
4609<Guest37686> lol Fu-Xi sounds like total BS to me
4610<Guest37686> Anyway guys picking up on the link posted earlier: http://uncovering-cicada.wikia.com/wiki/2016_Puzzle#comm-text-23006
4611<TaiiwoBot> ^ 2016 Puzzle - Uncovering Cicada Wiki - Wikia ^
4612<Sssoul> yeah dude
4613<Fu-Xi> .. im very tempted to explain it to you but i have to choose my words carefully to not say things that will ruin your path..
4614<Sssoul> show us how it works
4615<Guest37686> If you decode page 55 using the key "THEMAP" as stated then the first characters that come out are "ASIGNG" like the poster stated
4616<Guest37686> That does seem promising
4617<Guest37686> If you repeatedly apply the key you get ASIGNGEWCSFSAEXIAIOBSPMRYAPPORVSSHOEABCSNGMEOTMHRYHTHNAOPAECTHFNGCOIATNGCOEEMTHFIVEAYVNGPO
4618<bigfuxer> Fu-Xi, don't explain.. we'll figure it out.. just translate 1 sentences (> 4 words) of the still encrypted text... betcha you can't :)
4619<Sssoul> because right now all you say is base ten which gets rid of gematria value
4620<Sssoul> yeah fu first three words pages 0
4621<Fu-Xi> I can show you if you are willing to lose % of being able to find the right own angle of approach to things and also give me your word that you will not show that proof to anyone else, nor talk about it, until you find how it works completely
4622<Guest37686> "its words are the map, their meaning is the road, and their numbers are the direction"
4623<bigfuxer> sure.. go ahead..
4624<Guest37686> are these directions for implementing the cipher somehow?
4625<brotherBox> Guest37686: that doesnt seem like much tbh
4626<brotherBox> though
4627<brotherBox> im not sure if its coincidence this sequence actually produces a few legibile words
4628<Sssoul> only thing i think the 2016 post said is the numbers are the direction
4629<Sssoul> with the fib spirals and mobius loops
4630<brotherBox> APPROV, FIVE
4631<iIIustrious> it's vigenere though
4632<brotherBox> thats just me thguoh
4633<Guest37686> I lost the word boundaries in that, I'll change the program so you can see boundaries
4634<iIIustrious> you could use a jumble of letters like that to make it say actually anything you want
4635<brotherBox> iIIustrious: we have no conclusive proof it absolutely is vigenere
4636<Guest37686> The best thing is that A SIGN G... is split up
4637<brotherBox> its likely yes
4638<iIIustrious> no, the thing that guy is doing is vegenere though
4639<Guest37686> @iIllustrious I agree, it could be coincidental. I'm writing a program to check the combinations
4640<brotherBox> i fail to see the point of contention
4641<iIIustrious> using his method I could post a sequence that makes the entire primus say "brobox is a gerfag" over and over
4642<brotherBox> iIIustrious: it wouldnt even be wrong
4643<Guest37686> @iIllustrious I don't think you understand the method used
4644<iIIustrious> so his random jumble having some real words in it is meaningless unless there's logic to how it happened
4645<Guest37686> We are using "THEMAP" as a key
4646<Guest37686> Adding the values of those letters to the values of the runes
4647<Guest37686> We can't just make it say anything
4648<iIIustrious> I know
4649<iIIustrious> I read it
4650<iIIustrious> he's using themap because he found a coincidence in the text
4651<iIIustrious> there's every likelihood that whatever the actual key is will contain the phrase
4652<Guest37686> No because the picture says "its words are the map"
4653<iIIustrious> or at least similar letters near where they end up in there
4654<Guest37686> I agree that the rest of his message is just coincidental though
4655<brotherBox> can we try to offset THEMAP with preceding or following nullshifts
4656<iIIustrious> but over all it gives us nothing we didn't have before on it's own, other than that the key may or may not contain some where in it, themap
4657<brotherBox> just for curiosities sake
4658<Guest37686> @brotherBox I'm working on it
4659<iIIustrious> if it's only giving us partial words it has to be part of a larger key, or is coincidental
4660<brotherBox> iIIustrious: partial decryptions can be useful though and i wouldnt discard this particular method of cribbing
4661<windweht> brotherBox: "APPROV, FIVE" not APPORV?
4662<Guest37686> We could perform statistical tests to work out the probability that such a partial decryption would occur
4663<brotherBox> windweht: i might have made a mistake
4664<brotherBox> im just a box after all
4665<Guest37686> The stuff after "A SIGN G" can be discarded, I just repeatedly applied "THE MAP" key when I believe something more subtle must be done
4666<iIIustrious> and by more subtle, you mean have the actual key
4667<Guest37686> Perhaps something involving the: "its words are the map, their meaning is the road, and their numbers are the direction"
4668<Guest37686> Perhaps those instructions tell us how to modulate the key
4669<iIIustrious> if you want an approach, use parts of every sentance that cicada's used the words the map in, and crib drag over the primus
4670<brotherBox> i wouldnt even say that modulating the key is hopeless
4671<iIIustrious> the one that gives the most words can be looked in to
4672<brotherBox> it would have to be well defined
4673<brotherBox> as the more we tinker with the process the less verifiable things may become
4674<Guest37686> Yes
4675<Guest37686> But let's say that "its words are THE MAP" literally tells us the key
4676<Guest37686> "their numbers are THE DIRECTION" could have a similar literal meaning
4677<Guest37686> I'll look into that possibility
4678<brotherBox> i was thinking that too
4679<Guest37686> I guess though that we didn't have that message back in 2014, is that right?
4680<Guest37686> In which case this line of thought is probably wasted
4681<brotherBox> i cursed there is no "blablabla is the key" message from 3301
4682<brotherBox> Guest37686: we didnt
4683<Sssoul> wait
4684<Sssoul> the lp is the map
4685<Sssoul> wait what is the thing
4686<Sssoul> the words are the map
4687<Sssoul> meaning is road so maybe we combine those two
4688<Sssoul> and go in the direction of the numbers
4689<brotherBox> Guest37686: i dont believe its wasted tbh
4690<brotherBox> the fact that we solved the last decrypted page first makes me feel we've been approaching this the wrong way
4691<Guest37686> @brotherBox but if we did need to use that info, Cicada would hardly have given people the LP to solve in 2014 without it
4692<brotherBox> but then again it might have been manufactured that way
4693<brotherBox> Guest37686: im not so sure about that
4694<brotherBox> it might be that other section or puzzles of the liber were intended to be solved first which reference the map
4695<brotherBox> or in general the contents of the jan 16 message
4696<Guest37686> Yes
4697<brotherBox> (or rather the other way around but you get the idea)
4698<Guest37686> In which case page 55 would be a good candidate for decryption
4699<Guest37686> being the page before 56 and 57, and having the tree logo
4700<brotherBox> what im saying is, its not entirely implausible
4701<brotherBox> i have no evidence for my idea however
4702<brotherBox> i never got warm to the idea that the tree has any meaning
4703<Guest37686> Well I'm going to write a program that's gonna brute force the hell out of this idea.
4704<windweht> hmm
4705<windweht> first
4706<windweht> ahh nevermind
4707<brotherBox> Guest37686: do tell when you need help
4708<Guest37686> @brotherBox cheers. I only very recently got into this mystery so I might need some help with the history
4709<Guest37686> And I don't want to bark up a tree that's already been tried.
4710<brotherBox> err
4711<brotherBox> in fact i would want you to
4712<Guest37686> so I'm gonna try things against page 55 individually and then page 40 to page 55
4713<brotherBox> let us know how that goes
4714<iIIustrious> I note the 7/7 people went quiet as soon as we actually started talking about solutions :P
4715<brotherBox> iIIustrious: i believe its just one person
4716<brotherBox> ive seen him on /x/
4717<iIIustrious> yeah me too
4718<iIIustrious> I thought it was a joke on /x/
4719<iIIustrious> just good memeing
4720<brotherBox> it comes from a forum
4721<brotherBox> people have been buying into that stuff
4722<brotherBox> >7
4723<brotherBox> >suddenly mod*
4724<iIIustrious> lol
4725<Sssoul> i know right
4726<brotherBox> let me look for a 3301 thread
4727<iIIustrious> it might have got pruned, if it was still up they'd probably just keep trolling there
4728<brotherBox> no its still there
4729<brotherBox> https://boards.4chan.org/x/thread/17660686/cicada3301
4730<TaiiwoBot> ^ /x/ - cicada3301 - Paranormal - 4chan ^
4731<Fu-Xi> sorry I was talking to sssoul
4732<Fu-Xi> :o
4733<Fu-Xi> sssoul keeps getting clues out of me :/ I should probably leave here before I end up giving a critical hint lol
4734<bigfuxer> yeah you should..
4735<bigfuxer> also listen to this song on you way out :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqYD1vUkVz0
4736<TaiiwoBot> ^ Lag Wagon - Alien 8 (Reissue) - YouTube ^
4737<Fu-Xi> kk I feel like I can give you this much actually brb
4738<Fu-Xi> the first few pages have the first pattern then the rest start changing their encryption
4739<Fu-Xi> you were supposed to find that the first pages have a pattern that follows in the rest as an encryption yourself.. telling you of it is too much already..
4740<Fu-Xi> you start finding the pattern with 1 5 7 4 4 3 4 6 ......
4741<Fu-Xi> im not telling you where though
4742<Fu-Xi> look carefully with the mindset of trying to find a pattern and youll find it
4743<Fu-Xi> connect it all together to find how that pattern works and what makes it
4744<Fu-Xi> then how it changes on the 2nd and 3rd etc pages
4745<Fu-Xi> find connection between the pattern and translated letters
4746<Fu-Xi> red words/titles are the keys to the pattern too
4747<Fu-Xi> every "Know This" is what links the pattern together to find the next one, which will allow you to decrypt the pages upto the next set of numbers/magic square.
4748<Fu-Xi> this is the first "magic square" simplified:
4749<Fu-Xi> 2 3 8 5 6
4750<Fu-Xi> 6 1 4 5 *
4751<Fu-Xi> 1 2 1 2 1
4752<Fu-Xi> * 5 4 1 5
4753<Fu-Xi> 6 5 8 3 2
4754<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: Slow down buddy
4755<Guest37686> brotherBox: Not much luck with the program so far
4756<Guest37686> I'm beginning to believe it was just coincidence that THE MAP and those letters produced A SIGN...
4757<Guest37686> With word spaces added it's A SIGNG EW CS FSAEXIAI OBSPMR YA PPORVSSHOEABCS NGMEOTM HRYH THN AOPAECTHF NGCOIATNGC OEE MTHFIVEA YVNG POP
4758<Guest37686> SIGNG: not promising
4759<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: where'd you get the sequence 1, 5, 7, 4, 4, 3
4760<EmberCrest> etc.
4761<Guest37686> One angle which prob. should be tried is to do with the word lengths
4762<Fu-Xi> bravo
4763<Fu-Xi> -claps-
4764<EmberCrest> Bravo to whom?
4765<EmberCrest> Guest?
4766<Guest37686> For instance EW CS - how much possible two consecutive two letter words are there? AT AN, TO AN ...?
4767<Fu-Xi> actually nvm... lol i think he was talking about something else
4768<EmberCrest> Fu Xi: How are we supposed to find which one is "know this"
4769<Guest37686> TO US, IN US, IN AN, UP TO
4770<Fu-Xi> Know This is always before a magic square
4771<Fu-Xi> the pages without much encryption changing have 2 squares for you to find how it works
4772<Fu-Xi> it allows you to find the next encryption
4773<EmberCrest> the NEXT one?
4774<Fu-Xi> for the next pages
4775<Sssoul> im back
4776<Sssoul> whats new
4777<EmberCrest> SO that's the first set of encrypted letters for the next few pages, in other words.
4778<Fu-Xi> no
4779<Fu-Xi> but its a link to how to find it
4780<EmberCrest> the fuck
4781<Fu-Xi> link as in it allows you to understand how to find the encryption
4782<EmberCrest> huh.
4783<Sssoul> please elaborate
4784<EmberCrest> Scroll up^
4785<Sssoul> i dced for a bit and lost some messaged
4786<Sssoul> *messages
4787<Sssoul> is it just how hte key is the word length
4788<EmberCrest> I didnt see a dc bro I think you got it :)
4789<brotherBox> yeah
4790<brotherBox> either you timed out or you didnt
4791<bigfuxer> Fu-Xi, so.. following your logic the koan p06-p0* (complete LP) should be direct translation.. how come then it's encrypted with a caeser cipher?
4792<brotherBox> if you didnt timeout TCP makes sure you get the msgs
4793<Fu-Xi> ill just paste it again... dont tell them about the numbers thing that i explained though, kk sssoul?
4794<bigfuxer> also.. you are aware that there are no maguc squares in the remaining LP?
4795<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: What, so you'll tell HIM valuable info that you wanna leave out for us.
4796<mustermann> what did I miss?
4797<Fu-Xi> no, I offered to tell you earlier, you didnt msg me ^^ the price for it is that you lose chance of getting the right approach angle yourself(which is the whole point of it, if you cant find it yourself you cant solve the later parts)
4798<iIIustrious> literally nothing mustermann
4799<mustermann> good
4800<mustermann> :D
4801<brotherBox> mustermann: lots of claims
4802<Fu-Xi> kk sec ill paste the thing i pasted here earlier
4803<EmberCrest> what I don't..what the hell lol.
4804<brotherBox> you wont
4805<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: you will put it in a bin
4806<Fu-Xi> the first few pages have the first pattern then the rest start changing their encryption
4807<Fu-Xi> you were supposed to find that the first pages have a pattern that follows in the rest as an encryption yourself.. telling you of it is too much already..
4808<Fu-Xi> you start finding the pattern with 1 5 7 4 4 3 4 6 ......
4809<Fu-Xi> im not telling you where though
4810<Fu-Xi> look carefully with the mindset of trying to find a pattern and youll find it
4811<Fu-Xi> connect it all together to find how that pattern works and what makes it
4812<Fu-Xi> then how it changes on the 2nd and 3rd etc pages
4813<Fu-Xi> find connection between the pattern and translated letters
4814<Fu-Xi> red words/titles are the keys to the pattern too
4815<Fu-Xi> every "Know This" is what links the pattern together to find the next one, which will allow you to decrypt the pages upto the next set of numbers/magic square.
4816<Fu-Xi> this is the first "magic square" simplified:
4817<Fu-Xi> 2 3 8 5 6
4818<Fu-Xi> 6 1 4 5 *
4819<Fu-Xi> 1 2 1 2 1
4820<Fu-Xi> * 5 4 1 5
4821<Fu-Xi> 6 5 8 3 2
4822<iIIustrious> there's really only one logical reason these people come here and half post steps to follow with no reason or evidence
4823<iIIustrious> and it's that they are too stupid or too lazy to turn their ideas in to work on the actual pages
4824<iIIustrious> if it was solved, it would be posted here or the person who solved it would be moving on to other steps
4825<EmberCrest> yeah, at least some of us have the decency to come into this channel and not work.
4826<iIIustrious> not trolling around the /x/ thread and the channel for attention
4827<iIIustrious> so don't take these people as having a solution, take them as afraid of doing the work
4828<Fu-Xi> oh Im at the 3rd step past the book already, dont worry about it :o
4829<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: post the decryption of an irrelevant page
4830<brotherBox> + which page number it is
4831<ComicSys> hi
4832<EmberCrest> its not like any of us are following your logic anyways.
4833<Fu-Xi> they are all relevant
4834<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: then the least relevant
4835<brotherBox> thats the last thing im going to say on that matter
4836<Fu-Xi> it would be giving you the encryption code... lol
4837<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: it would give us one
4838<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: how. your process doesn't make sense.
4839<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: at most this would clarify, and we would still have to work to figure shit out.
4840<ComicSys> Fu-Xi, isn't that a section called: "KNOW THIS"
4841<brotherBox> you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded and what you say is dildos
4842<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: You're like a child on the playground saying "I know what the answer is, but I'm not telling."
4843<brotherBox> and im done with this
4844<ComicSys> lmao brobox
4845<ComicSys> you should have ended that with: "I'm here all week!"
4846<Fu-Xi> dont try to bait me :o there are only 2 more encryption patterns that werent solved publicly, i cant give you a completed toy, you gotta build it yourself
4847<mustermann> only 2??
4848<ComicSys> oh, so brobox, I started doing krypton
4849<ComicSys> I'm working on level 3
4850<brotherBox> let me look what that is
4851<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: Bait you? Your method doesn't make any sense and you're acting like it's ourfault.
4852<ComicSys> http://overthewired.blogspot.com/2013/05/krypton-level-3.html
4853<TaiiwoBot> ^ Over the wire: [Krypton]. Level 3 https://tinyurl.com/zkaasu* ^
4854<ComicSys> yea
4855<brotherBox> oh yeah
4856<iIIustrious> that you're still holding on to this is actually hilarious
4857<ComicSys> who, me, or Fu-Xi
4858<EmberCrest> I still have faith in him, but only because this place is a desert of ideas.
4859<EmberCrest> In that the ideas are the sand. There's so much to search, and **% of it is just dirt.
4860<brotherBox> EmberCrest: drinking radioactive water in the desert kills you immediately instead of in a few hours
4861<Sssoul> i still believe in my ideas i just need the time to work on them
4862<Fu-Xi> I solved it without anyone giving me as many hints at Ive given you already, infact I had to find it all myself. =.= so dont even start... LOL
4863<ComicSys> honestly searching through the dirt for ideas can be fun
4864<Sssoul> alright fu xi
4865<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: I'm starting to doubt that.
4866<Sssoul> tell me this
4867<Sssoul> how did you get this idea
4868<Sssoul> to do all this shit
4869<Sssoul> were you even in the 2012 brood
4870<Sssoul> hmmmm
4871<brotherBox> Fu-Xi: then there is a huge discrepancy between experience and your story because usually, quality of expression correlates with skill
4872<iIIustrious> no one thinks you've solved shit fu-xi, we get 5 or 6 of you a week claiming this stuff
4873<EmberCrest> Fu-Xi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bix44C1EzY
4874<TaiiwoBot> ^ Congratulations!!!! - YouTube ^
4875<iIIustrious> usually more beleivable because it makes a logical sense
4876<brotherBox> and for as much as you claim proficiency your explanations and your outlines only display confusion
4877<ComicSys> All I've solved is how to open the m&ms pack
4878<ComicSys> and levels 1+2 of krypton
4879<brotherBox> ComicSys: dont solve it with solutions
4880<brotherBox> thats stupid
4881<ComicSys> yeah, I should have solved it with scissors
4882<iIIustrious> tl;dr post a decrypted page or stop trolling around
4883<ComicSys> who, me? I'm not trolling
4884<brotherBox> ComicSys: this is not about you
4885<ComicSys> oh ok
4886<brotherBox> ComicSys: no, but with analysis
4887<mustermann> Fu-Xi "every "Know This" is what links the pattern together to find the next one, which will allow you to decrypt the pages upto the next set of numbers/magic square."
4888<mustermann> but...
4889<brotherBox> ComicSys: http://practicalcryptography.com/cryptanalysis/
4890<TaiiwoBot> ^ Practical Cryptography ^
4891<mustermann> there are only 2 magic squares in LP
4892<ComicSys> thanks
4893<ComicSys> with krypton levels, there seem to be more than one way to do it
4894<ComicSys> python script
4895<EmberCrest> I sincerely hope he doesn't think the first part of the LP is what we're stuck on lol.
4896<mustermann> XD
4897<brotherBox> ComicSys: its whatever helps you
4898<mustermann> Fu-Xi "the first few pages" what pages are you refering to? link? page no?
4899<Sssoul> and the troll is gone once we question
4900<Sssoul> waiting to think of more bs
4901<Sssoul> hes caliming he solved 2011 and that he never got in the brood
4902<iIIustrious> >2011
4903<brotherBox> >2011
4904<iIIustrious> LMAO
4905<brotherBox> haha
4906*iIIustrious hat Fu-Xi aus #cicadasolvers hinausgeworfen (gtfo).
4907<brotherBox> #rekt
4908<EmberCrest> man what
4909<EmberCrest> what motivates people to come in here..
4910<EmberCrest> and spout off bullshit ideas that seem to have SOME theme
4911<brotherBox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXLgz3wH2n8
4912<TaiiwoBot> ^ Why would they do that - just go on the internet and tell lies - YouTube ^
4913<EmberCrest> yet are completely pulled out of their ass.
4914<mustermann> that does not help
4915<EmberCrest> ye but I mean like, if someone is actually into the puzzle, why would they come up with something that may end up distracting us
4916<ComicSys> without looking, I'm assuming it's the dude in the scream mask
4917<EmberCrest> if it actually seemed to make sense.
4918<mustermann> no it didnt
4919<brotherBox> ComicSys: i dont believe so
4920<iIIustrious> I think we'd recognize him
4921<iIIustrious> maybe not
4922<iIIustrious> I hope we wouldn't
4923<brotherBox> i would
4924<brotherBox> he would probably be much more hateful to me
4925<brotherBox> that dude hates my ass lmao
4926<ComicSys> true
4927<EmberCrest> because you called him out for being the 12 year old he is?
4928<mustermann> EmberCrest: "At this point, our story takes a darker turn. Our elite IRC group of 8 people deceived the rest, and led them on a wild goose chase. We created a branch off the puzzle, and led them solving unsolvable things. We distracted them so we would progress and they would not. We’re sorry to announce that, but it’s a necessary part of the story."
4929<mustermann> src: https://bernsteinbear.com/blog/cicada
4930<TaiiwoBot> ^ 3301 | Maxwell Bernstein ^
4931<EmberCrest> Oh my fucking god
4932<EmberCrest> Craig Wright was enough for one week of internet lunacy.
4933<EmberCrest> oh wait
4934<EmberCrest> I dont get this..
4935<mustermann> what?
4936<Sssoul> the tor hidden service was the brood
4937<mustermann> some say...
4938<mustermann> Fu-Xi "the first few pages" what pages are you refering to? link? page no?
4939<EmberCrest> is this fake or something
4940<mustermann> whatM
4941<mustermann> ?
4942<EmberCrest> bernsteinbear's blog lol.
4943<Sssoul> no it was the 2011 puzzle
4944<Sssoul> its legit
4945<mustermann> I don't think so? or what do you mean by "fake"
4946<EmberCrest> been a while since I read through the whole 2011 puzzle
4947<mustermann> 2011?
4948<EmberCrest> yeah.
4949<mustermann> ???
4950<mustermann> I heard there was 2011, but no info about it
4951<mustermann> don't you mean 2012?
4952<Sssoul> yeah 2012 sorry
4953<mustermann> shit :(
4954<mustermann> I hoped for something new :D
4955<brotherBox> the liber primus might be a decoy
4956<brotherBox> i dont believe it however
4957<brotherBox> thats just my opinion and doesnt need to mean anything
4958<mustermann> decoy?
4959<mustermann> but...
4960<mustermann> is there any other solid lead?
4961<mustermann> and if it is a decoy, why would they remind us to decrypt?
4962<mustermann> speaking of this, there are a few other unsolved "riddles"
4963<dude12312414> I'm gonna make an experiment
4964<mustermann> but noone seems to care :D
4965<dude12312414> don't believe whatever I say next
4966<dude12312414> Guys I solved the Liber Primus. You need to use Ramanujan sums. The only hint I can give you is to understand the scriptures of Crowley.
4967<mustermann> oh, it worked
4968<mustermann> sheeeeet
4969<mustermann> *sweeet
4970<dude12312414> ok done you may choose to believe whatever I say from now on
4971<mustermann> thanx for the hint
4972<mustermann> whoa I can read the complete LP now :D
4973<dude12312414> But for real... the Liber Primus does have some interesting patterns which make it unlikely to be a decoy in my opinion
4974<dude12312414> The distribution of pairs of runes and the repetition of the string " DJU BEI A "
4975<mustermann> name some?
4976<dude12312414> and also the lack of F's occuring at the end of short words in pages 0-15
4977<dude12312414> you can count them, you'll see there's less 2-rune words ending in F in those pages than ending in any other letter
4978<dude12312414> but it's not enough to get much more useful information...
4979<mustermann> Fs are somehow special
4980<mustermann> maybe becouse it's gematria value is even?
4981<mustermann> *because
4982<dude12312414> yeah but in a different way from the previous cases. They often didn't encrypt F's. But in pages 0-15, it's very likely they encrypted them, and even avoid outputting F's
4983<mustermann> 0-15 ends with the mayfly right?
4984<mustermann> and after that comes the 4x4 "fib spiral"
4985<dude12312414> the only thing I can claim is that the cipher does indeed change between pages, and some pages do encrypt F's unlike p.56. And also it's probably not just a Vigenere.
4986<dude12312414> and it's not by any means a proof, just evidence pointing towards it
4987<dude12312414> also probably not random junk or OTP either
4988<dude12312414> so if it's a decoy, they'd have to make some effort to come up with those "patterns", or be kinda lucky
4989<dude12312414> (or unlucky, depending on the perspective)
4990<dude12312414> brotherBox: i'm actually serious about the F thing (and I think wetsand came up with the pairs and "DJU BEI" stuff)
4991<brotherBox> what F thing
4992<brotherBox> you mean that upon F we skip or what
4993<dude12312414> count all words of length two between pages 0-15. Among them, count those ending in F, those ending in U, TH, O, etc.
4994<dude12312414> There are 0 ending in F between pages 0-15
4995<dude12312414> compared to about 3 for the rest
4996<Sssoul> when you say 15
4997<Sssoul> you mean 15.jpg right
4998<dude12312414> skipping F's appears very unlikely, as the words IF and OF would show up presumably
4999<dude12312414> there is a total of 117 2-rune words between those pages so it's not a super small sample in my opinion
5000<dude12312414> (heck even p.56 had a 'OF')
5001<ComicSys> I have a question, but I'm afraid it will come off as incredibly stupid
5002<brotherBox> ComicSys: go ahead
5003<ComicSys> I get that people are decrypting it, but
5004<dude12312414> !wa 117/2*
5005<ComicSys> I get this feeling that people are expecting it to decrypt to english
5006<TaiiwoBot> 117/2*
5007<TaiiwoBot> 117/2* (irreducible)
5008<TaiiwoBot> 4.03448275862068*6551724137*3103448275862068*6551724137*310...
5009<brotherBox> if you ask you're stupid for a moment, if you dont ask you're potentially stupid for a lifetime
5010<TaiiwoBot> 4.03448275862068*6551724137*310^_ (period 28)
5011<TaiiwoBot> 4 1/2*
5012<ComicSys> wouldn't it be something else?
5013<TaiiwoBot> More: https://tinyurl.com/zgdg2*j
5014<brotherBox> ComicSys: it could
5015<dude12312414> so on average you'd expect around 4 words ending in each letter
5016<brotherBox> though we have no indication that another language is being used
5017<dude12312414> (yeah in theory they could have come up with a new language or made contrived texts a-la George Perec
5018<dude12312414> but that'd be unfair
5019<brotherBox> ComicSys: perhaps its arrogance to assume its english
5020<EmberCrest> Not really.
5021<iIIustrious> I think the evidence points to english
5022<brotherBox> however the idea that this effort is mostly based on the english language has never been contested
5023<EmberCrest> It's just logical: everything else they've written has been in English.
5024<EmberCrest> Including the Liber.
5025<EmberCrest> The first pages of the Liber, I mean.
5026<brotherBox> im not even a native english speaker but its just the lingua franca of the internet
5027<EmberCrest> Indeed.
5028<EmberCrest> HTTP Headers are in english.
5029<dude12312414> also that can be slightly inferred from the punctuation. They used apostrophes, also said apostrophies always show up where english contractions would make sense
5030<brotherBox> dude you are so smart
5031<brotherBox> why wont you have my children :(
5032<dude12312414> i'd prefer your gf's children :P
5033<EmberCrest> forgot about that.
5034<brotherBox> dude12312414: we broke up
5035<iIIustrious> >implying brotherBox's not female just because brother
5036<dude12312414> yeah true
5037<dude12312414> I should apoogize
5038<brotherBox> haha yeah im actually a girl
5039<dude12312414> *apologize
5040<brotherBox> you shitlords have been misgendering me
5041<brotherBox> brb posting about it tumblr
5042<dude12312414> >implying i'm a dude because it's in my name
5043<iIIustrious> get misgendered nerd
5044<brotherBox> "cicada community exposed for mysogynistic shitlords"
5045<brotherBox> i need new headphones
5046<brotherBox> dude12312414: whats with the numbers after your nick anyway
5047<brotherBox> is there a meaning behind them
5048<dude12312414> i'd like to sound interesting and say there is one
5049<dude12312414> but no
5050<dude12312414> just random typing
5051<brotherBox> how do you remember it
5052<dude12312414> well for one my client autoconnects
5053<dude12312414> also it's not too hard to remember really
5054<dude12312414> 1,2,3 1,2,4 1,4
5055<brotherBox> arch linux is a meme
5056<dude12312414> arch linux?
5057<mustermann> is it?
5058<Fu-Xi> sssoul
5059<mustermann> Fu-Xi "the first few pages" what pages are you refering to? link? page no?
5060<dude12312414> in some country it is now 10:33
5061<dude12312414> well fuck
5062<mustermann> thats true at least once every hour, no?
5063<dude12312414> yeah lol
5064<dude12312414> so you get to celebrate this pretty often
5065<mustermann> mount -o remount,rw Fu-Xi
5066<dude12312414> cat Fu -Xi
5067<mustermann> phew
5068<brotherBox> >cat
5069<mustermann> I made a map for 2014, only 2013 remained
5070<brotherBox> >Xi parameter
5071<mustermann> *is left
5072<dude12312414> yeah shouls have put a \ there
5073<Sssoul> he refers to the liber primus page as 0
5074<Sssoul> so theres 0-74
5075<dude12312414> interesting way to discover someone's keyboard layout: study their typos
5076<mustermann> Sssoul: but the first few pages are solved
5077<Fu-Xi> the encryption pattern for the rest starts in those
5078<mustermann> oklemmecheck
5079<mustermann> what wa steh pattern again?
5080<mustermann> 1, 1, 3...
5081<Sssoul> and what do we do with this pattern
5082<torman> On the page titled The End, has there been any progress on finding the onion page from the hash
5083<Sssoul> no
5084<dude12312414> apparently people have been running onion harvesters
5085<dude12312414> but nothing was found (or at least publically disclosed :P)
5086<mustermann> eng, reversed Gematria, eng, Ving (DIVINITY) forward Gematria, fwd Gematria, Shift 3 down reversed Gematria, fwd Gematria, Ving (FIRFUMFERENFE) forward Gematria, fwd Gematria
5087<Fu-Xi> find the patterns and how they work with the magic squares, 2nd magic square will allow you to find the pattern for the first 15 pages of the 58 pages
5088<mustermann> that was used
5089<mustermann> I dont see a pattern here
5090<Sssoul> hes a troll
5091<Sssoul> he has no proof and is secretive
5092<dude12312414> where did 15 come from? i'm actually curious, is there a specific reason why you say first 15 pages?
5093<Fu-Xi> starting 16th page you use the new magic square
5094<bigfuxer> which is not a magic square..
5095<mustermann> 1 sec ill tell in pm
5096<amone> why pm?
5097<amone> hello bigfuxer
5098<bigfuxer> hola
5099<amone> beering it on the beach huh?
5100<Sssoul> hey
5101<Fu-Xi> it is actually, theres a pattern to the set of numbers there
5102<amone> good finding Fu-Xi -you reinvented the wheel
5103<bigfuxer> sigh.. rly?
5104<amone> lol bigfuxer
5105<Sssoul> so fu xi
5106<Sssoul> if you know the book
5107<Sssoul> what does the matrix on 15 mean
5108<Sssoul> Fu answer me one question
5109<Sssoul> if you answer ill believe you ok
5110<mustermann> dude12312414: there
5111<Sssoul> k fu xi
5112<Sssoul> 1 question
5113<Sssoul> and your a god
5114<mustermann> Sssoul I doubt he will...
5115<brotherBox> Sssoul: stop it
5116<brotherBox> he's milking you for attention
5117<Fu-Xi> in a simplified way, the matrix on page 15 is:
5118<Fu-Xi> * * 8 5
5119<Fu-Xi> 2 [5] 4 3
5120<Fu-Xi> 3 * 2 6
5121<Fu-Xi> 7 * 6 2
5122<Sssoul> fu xi
5123<Sssoul> how did you find this out on your own
5124<Sssoul> what made you think about this
5125<mustermann> how's it 4x4? O_o
5126<mustermann> ohntat
5127<mustermann> *sat
5128<mustermann> *dat
5129<mustermann> errr
5130<mustermann> ah that matrix
5131<mustermann> whooo, you can add digits...
5132<mustermann> that's impressive
5133<Sssoul> i know
5134<Sssoul> i want to be him
5135<mustermann> any other flicks?
5136<Sssoul> now can we get to actual solving
5137<Fu-Xi> its not a not complete magic square
5138<mustermann> hmm
5139<bigfuxer> dude12312414, bot will alert here if hash is found.. if you want any info besides that i'm happy to share :) also we agreed to not disclose found onions to not harm ppl..
5140*ChanServ gibt Channel-Operator-Status an shadowwalker
5141<Sssoul> bug wait you have a onion basher
5142<Sssoul> you testing every onion site...
5143<bigfuxer> well the ones we collected yes
5144<mustermann> Sssoul they are collecting HS addresses, not hashing all
5145<brotherBox> i would assume those things are very related
5146<Fu-Xi> ? ? ? ? ?
5147<Fu-Xi> ? * * 8 5
5148<Fu-Xi> ? 2 [5] 4 3
5149<Fu-Xi> ? 3 * 2 6
5150<Fu-Xi> ? 7 * 6 2
5151<mustermann> okok
5152<mustermann> gimme a break
5153<Sssoul> do you?
5154<dude12312414> tbh the pattern in the matrix of p.15 was already found... it's that spiral abs(3301 - Fibonacci(Primes(n))) stuff
5155<amone> ^^
5156<torman> so the hash is sha512?
5157<dude12312414> (which I must say is already a bit too crazy for me lol, but is actually true)
5158<brotherBox> torman: that or whirlpool
5159<dude12312414> or my daddy's own rolled hashish
5160<brotherBox> those are the only widely used hashes of that size
5161<dude12312414> speaking of typos...
5162<dude12312414> brotherbox you using QWERTZ keyboard?
5163<brotherBox> i do
5164<dude12312414> https://www.google.ca/search?q=keyboard+layouts&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjM34vQzsvMAhXlDMAKHXQcAI4Q_AUIBygB&biw=1440&bih=700#tbm=isch&q=german+keyboard+layouts
5165<brotherBox> im a gerfag
5166<TaiiwoBot> ^ https://tinyurl.com/got8sg4 ^
5167<mustermann> Fu-Xi last column first number is 0?
5168<brotherBox> dude what
5169<dude12312414> i was not actually aware that these layouts existed lol
5170<dude12312414> ?
5171<SSSpoooul> ok did i crash
5172<mustermann> Fu-Xi last column first number is 0? yes or no?
5173<SSSpoooul> whatd i miss
5174<SSSpoooul> my session got invalid or some shit
5175<mustermann> or 6?
5176<Fu-Xi> * or 0 ^^
5177<SSSpoooul> yo are we still taking the troll serious or no
5178<ComicSys> lmao
5179<SSSpoooul> alright now lets get to legit theories
5180<mustermann> *???
5181<mustermann> i have 0
5182<mustermann> interesting
5183<Fu-Xi> yes
5184<Fu-Xi> * can be used a 0 too btw, when you try to find the correct one, not simplified
5185<mustermann> so
5186<mustermann> given it is a square as Fu-Xi proposed
5187<mustermann> I think the complete simplified (digitally rooted??) square would be
5188<mustermann> 5 4 2 5 03 * * 8 5 2 2 5 4 3 5 3 * 2 6 1 7 * 6 2
5189<mustermann> shit
5190<mustermann> 5 4 2 5 0
5191<mustermann> 3 * * 8 5
5192<mustermann> 2 2 5 4 3
5193<Fu-Xi> 5 4 2 5 *
5194<Fu-Xi> 3 * * 8 5
5195<Fu-Xi> 2 2 5 4 3
5196<Fu-Xi> 5 3 * 2 6
5197<Fu-Xi> 1 7 * 6 2
5198<Fu-Xi> is correct
5199<mustermann> jupdat
5200<Fu-Xi> now find the not simplified one
5201<mustermann> interestingly its digits add up to 7
5202<ComicSys> I have a really weird idea about the second page of chapter 1
5203<ComicSys> in the "know this" section
5204<mustermann> ahm
5205<Fu-Xi> but really you first need to find the pattern in the first 16 original pages and link them to the magic square there and the 2nd one to read the first 15 pages of the 58 pages
5206<mustermann> and what about the 7x7 square?
5207<ComicSys> I actually don't have a linke to the square
5208<ComicSys> however, I had a weird idea just about the one particular section of the page
5209<mustermann> tell it, quick
5210<ComicSys> well, I was thinking, it might be music related
5211<ComicSys> I thought it might be something to be decrypted, but then I thought about it, and listened to each number played back on a metrenome
5212<mustermann> as bpm vales?
5213<mustermann> values
5214<ComicSys> yea
5215<mustermann> ahm
5216<ComicSys> I know it's a weird idea
5217<ComicSys> probably incorrect, but just something I was thinking about
5218<ComicSys> I know that there were potential translations with words, but I don't know
5219<mustermann> Fu-Xi: wait a sec, diagonals wont add up to 7
5220<mustermann> unlike at the other squares
5221<Fu-Xi> because the original numbers are a test too
5222<mustermann> pls also note that the other squares were symmetrical
5223<Fu-Xi> thats why i said first solve the other pages
5224<mustermann> they are
5225<mustermann> solved
5226<Fu-Xi> the 15 of 58?
5227<Fu-Xi> you use the one on page 16 of the original ones to solve 0-15 of 58
5228<mustermann> and the one on page 5 was (?) used for the first 16 pages?
5229<mustermann> (the square with runes in it)
5230<Fu-Xi> correct, thats to understand how it works
5231<mustermann> wtf
5232<Fu-Xi> you do the rest based on that example
5233<Fu-Xi> you mean page 3 btw, not 5 right?
5234<Fu-Xi> the one on page 3 along with the first 16 pages are used to understand how to use the magic square to decrypt the runes
5235<Fu-Xi> 16 original
5236<Fu-Xi> pattern in page 02 to page 16 and magic square from page 03
5237<mustermann> no, page 5
5238<mustermann> https://github.com/rtkd/idkfa/blob/master/assets/liber-primus-complete/05.jpg
5239<TaiiwoBot> ^ https://tinyurl.com/z5qm7fw ^
5240<mustermann> the 16 orig seems to be decrypted without using the square
5241<Fu-Xi> you have them in the wrong order
5242<Fu-Xi> warning goes before the welcoming
5243<SSSpoooul> http://cicada3301.org/liber/
5244<SSSpoooul> thats the order of the pages
5245<Fu-Xi> ^correct
5246<mustermann> ?
5247<mustermann> ???
5248<mustermann> the same order
5249<mustermann> ahha
5250<mustermann> see
5251<mustermann> warning-wisdom-welcome?
5252<ComicSys> the amass great wealth part is from buddhism
5253<SSSpoooul> yes
5254<ComicSys> the first page is kind of hypocritical
5255<ComicSys> the testing the knowledge, finding your truth, and yet, not being able to edit the book
5256<Fu-Xi> actually that part is a lie
5257<Fu-Xi> the 3rd matrix is incomplete and you need to change few numbers there as well as add few
5258<SSSpoooul> the third matrix is a fib spiral
5259<SSSpoooul> your subtract the numbers from 3301
5260<mustermann> you are referring them as matrices...
5261<Fu-Xi> but the message/meaning of it and the way it works doesnt change.
5262<mustermann> noted
5263<mustermann> but why are you helping?
5264<mustermann> oh, bad question
5265<mustermann> game rule?
5266<Fu-Xi> I finished 2011 and 2012 and both said to wait and to not lose the approach to things.. then from there they started preparing the book, on 3rd step after the book on youre supposed to look for them by giving hints that dont go over the lines stated on a page in the deepweb lol
5267<Fu-Xi> that pages gets updated every once in a while on how much information can be given... I mightve went over the line slightly though :/
5268<mustermann> 2011?
5269<SSSpoooul> THERE WAS NO 2011
5270<ComicSys> but the deep web hash on the last page didn't work
5271<ComicSys> there was no page attached to it
5272<Fu-Xi> there was a 2011 too
5273<Fu-Xi> it hashed to that page, not that hash is the page
5274<Fu-Xi> and the hash is incomplete too
5275<Fu-Xi> 2011 was a small test, it didnt blow up like the 2012 one so only few noticed it
5276<ComicSys> the only thing close is if you used the first letter on the next page
5277<ComicSys> and it led to some instar emergence crap, so it's likely not that
5278iIIusionaliII hat Fu-Xi aus #cicadasolvers hinausgeworfen (Fu-Xi).
5279<iIIusionaliII> I'm bored
5280<iIIusionaliII> and 2011 is troll
5281<ComicSys> lmao
5282theplainone golf clap
5283<ComicSys> indeed
5284<ComicSys> lmao
5285<ComicSys> ...aaaaaaand he's back
5286<Fu-Xi> the address you form by the end of the book can be confirmed using the hash. (thats what hey meant) on the page theres an explanation, aswell as rules.
5287<Fu-Xi> they
5288<ComicSys> I don't see it
5289iIIusionaliII setzt einen Bann auf Fu-Xi!@
5290*iIIusionaliII hat Fu-Xi aus #cicadasolvers hinausgeworfen (actually get fucked).
5291<mustermann> ?
5292<ComicSys> ...aaaaaaaaaaaaaand he's gone
5293<ComicSys> :)
5294<iIIusionaliII> every time I'm on freenode again I have to remember how to ban here lol
5295<ComicSys> lmao
5296<iIIusionaliII> that looks right
5297<iIIusionaliII> brotherBox help
5298<ComicSys> FLAWLESS VICTORY
5299<ComicSys> FATALITY
5300<mustermann> it was not so bad...
5301<ComicSys> INDEEEEEEEED
5302<mustermann> I hope he comes back
5303<iIIusionaliII> well he can't now, that he's banned lol
5304<iIIusionaliII> why?
5305<iIIusionaliII> he's been trolling in here for hours
5306<mustermann> :(
5307<mustermann> gave me ideas
5308<mustermann> for example thet crazy squsre thing he explained
5309<mustermann> actually kinda worked
5310<iIIusionaliII> "worked" or actually achieved something lol
5311<mustermann> I dont know enough math to tell
5312<mustermann> but if you solve the thing first for the 4 rows, than the columns
5313<mustermann> the first line is
5314<mustermann> 5 4 2 5 *
5315<iIIusionaliII> and?
5316<mustermann> sums up to 25
5317<mustermann> which sums to 7
5318<iIIusionaliII> again, and?
5319<iIIusionaliII> the whole point of them using the gematria, the entire way along, is properties like these
5320<mustermann> the other squares have the same property
5321<mustermann> dont get it
5322<mustermann> I dont get
5323<iIIusionaliII> I absolutely believe that they add to 7, that's not a suprising quality, and has been observered in other squares
5324<iIIusionaliII> but upon finding that, he brought it here in the hopes he could bait everyone in to believing that means he's accomplished something
5325<iIIusionaliII> and getting them to do any actual work for him
5326<iIIusionaliII> or
5327<iIIusionaliII> just to troll
5328<iIIusionaliII> either way he had nothing new or interesting that wasn't total bs
5329<mustermann> maybe you are right
5330<marcusw> new rule
5331<marcusw> +o are always usually right
5332<mustermann> xd
5333<ComicSys> hmmm
5334<ComicSys> well yeah, marcus, illusionaliII and brobox are usually on point
5335<SSSpoooul> yeah
5336<SSSpoooul> he was fishy and bull from start
5337<brotherBox> hm
5338<brotherBox> i disagree
5339<brotherBox> for the sole purpose of pragmatism
5340<brotherBox> nobody should blindly trust ops (or former ops)
5341<brotherBox> and i believe its valuable to allow and encourage a plurality of opinions to keep each other in check
5342
5343https://linx.li/qrn7jxvw.txt  log
5344
5345http://pastebin.com/W2BSUKEa 343373s new clues and discussion 13th july 2016
5346
5347http://pastebin.com/W2BSUKEa this is log from two days ago when he posted that 4x4 magic square, few people tried to figure out how it all works but we didnt get any conclusion
5348
5349https://7a350*0f.io/topic/16/irc-cicadasolvers-08-05-2016-user-fu-xi
5350
5351
5352https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/1760066*/#17613881
5353http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17688885/#176*0822
5354http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17660686/#17664223
5355https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17561815/#17564188
5356
5357check 7/7=? sharade, this one is harder to disprove http://pastebin.com/UGS4RcCZ
5358http://pastebin.com/4wF1YgU1 magic squares
5359
5360http://imgur.com/a/MajQU Digital roots and reciprocals of primes
5361
5362some say that 3301 backwards sounds like "no worries here" http://vocaroo.com/i/s0n7OwKyWSfw http://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/text/Scienta%20Sanctor/
5363http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/171*3651/#171*3782
5364http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17020660/#q17020660
5365http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/171*52*1/#q171*52*1
5366
5367 000001CD 00000118 00002242 00000F8* 0001D7D6 0001DAB1 000078D1 00007E40 00024A6D 00024B72
5368 461      280      8770     3*77     1207*0   121521    30*2*   32320    150125   150386 
5369
5370 <|343373|> 3301 back in 2014 created another puzzle on the deepweb to help solve the Liber Primus, Im surprised you guys still havent found it, nor made any connections after my hints either... :/
5371-*- Profetul is going to call it a night ...
5372<onecool> |343373|: stop trolling
5373<marcusw> for the record every single thing |343373| is a lie
5374<marcusw> which would be fine but they're not even funny or interesting
5375<marcusw> they're just stupid
5376<|343373|> 2016 message was a hint to that one puzzle too btw.. Im not trolling
5377<ether8unny> then show us the money
5378<marcusw> either you give proof or someone is gonna end up kicking you for breaking the no roleplaying rule
5379<Kitter_> Seems legit
5380<marcusw> again
5381<ether8unny> Kitter_, what seems legit
5382<Kitter_> That something as overlooked along the way
5383<onecool> which puzzle?
5384<onecool> please say pi.mobi
5385<onecool> please
5386<onecool> so i can ban you
5387<marcusw> lmao
5388<marcusw> same goes for that secret college or whatever you were calling it
5389<|343373|> 432, not pi LOL
5390<ether8unny> 432?
5391<marcusw> there were a few days where a significant portion of the traffic was |343373| using a bunch of different nicks to talk up this mysterium college or something
5392<ether8unny> youre kissing right>?
5393<ether8unny> youre kidding right>?
5394<marcusw> *kitting
5395<ether8unny> 432 doesnt show any releation to cicada
5396<onecool> 7 / 7 = ?
5397<onecool> 7 / 7 = ?
5398<onecool> 7 / 7 = ?
5399<onecool> 7 / 7 = ?
5400<ether8unny> its interesting and all that
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5402<onecool> 7 / 7 = ?
5403<ndiddy> 1
5404<|343373|> I only have and ever used 2 usernames here, this and the one I share with my friend("Fu-Xi")
5405<marcusw> if I prove you wrong can I ban you?
5406<brotherBox> marcusw: yes you can
5407<|343373|> Prove me wrong about what?
5408<marcusw> ok one sec
5409<ether8unny> you know that 432 has been around for fucking ever, though, i assume?
5410<|343373|> 432 was released in the 2nd half of 2014 as far as I know
5411<brotherBox> marcusw: i never had that impression tbh
5412<ether8unny> wasnt there also something linking an old cicada solver with the creation of the 432 stuff as well? or is that just coming from nowhere in my head
5413<ether8unny> late 2014, is when it originated
5414<ether8unny> it's also very pi.mobi.... like when the creator flips out and decides to dox one of its solvers
5415<ether8unny> in fact, it also uses the 'seek and it shall be found'
5416<ether8unny> phrase...
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5418<|343373|> As far as I know, the 432 puzzle was used only as a hint to Liber Primus the rest was just cover up and decoy..
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5421<marcusw> oh god dammit
5422<marcusw> the hidden college shit was sir_phobos aka babyman aka blvk_crvpt
5423<marcusw> but |343373| did tell me a bunch of fake info about 3301 before they found out I knew it was bullshit
5424<|343373|> ??
5425<marcusw> which is how I got them confused lmao
5426<|343373|> If you mean the puzzles starting in 2011 then you should check whats 1033 dec to oct
5427<marcusw> 2016-05-27 1*:07:28     |343373|        what is going on with them? are you in contact still? (or are you at the rules page too?) how long do I wait? Im tired of givin hints and of 7/7=? that im not allowed to explain... this is really stupid  
5428<|343373|> Because I wasnt sure
5429<|343373|> Took my chance to try talk to you
5430<marcusw> then you posted a bunch of fake screenshots of you having the 3301 privkey
5431<marcusw> but didn't sign anything with it
5432<|343373|> not 3301
5433<marcusw> and then you deleted them from the image host a few hours later to get rid of the evidence
5434<marcusw> I don't have a cached copy so I guess it worked
5435<|343373|> I just said they had us make a key on 4th to 5th of jan 2012
5436<|343373|> It was my key, not 3301 O.o
5437<marcusw> I don't believe you
5438<ether8unny> ^^ 
5439<ether8unny> seconded
5440<|343373|> What is 1033 decimal to octal?
5441<brotherBox> |343373|: we talked about this too, and i asked you why you believe that, if you are not lying, you talked to cicada in 2011
5442<brotherBox> literally nobody gives a shit about numerical games
5443<|343373|> Not talked
5444<brotherBox> it demonstrates nothing
5445<marcusw> |343373| has been shopping their story around with many of the ops for most of the summer
5446<|343373|> I never had any direct contact with them
5447[01:37:2*] <|343373|> 1764 may or may not be related to goya btw :)
5448
5449http://432hunabku.referata.com/wiki/The_Second_Lesson
5450http://highexistence.com/topic/want-your-fucking-mind-blown/