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3How long you been
4working on this project, Dan?
5
62
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8Five years.
9
103
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12Five, wow.
13
144
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16Every day? Nights, weekends?
17
185
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20It's been very consuming.
21
226
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24Do you have
25a relationship, Dan? Family?
26
277
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29Just trying to get
30a better sense of who you are.
31
328
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34When it started, I was
35seeing someone, but, you know,
36
379
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39with the nature of the work
40and the hours...
41
4210
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44I wasn't a very good partner.
45
4611
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48Five years,
49and it could all go away.
50
5112
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53Just vanish in the face
54of these allegations.
55
5613
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58I can certainly imagine
59
6014
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62an ambitious young man
63like yourself
64
6515
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67spends years
68with his head buried
69
7016
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72in some terrible spectacle,
73
7417
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76gets frustrated
77with the process,
78
7918
8000:01:56,534 --> 00:01:58,828
81sees an opportunity
82to get the truth out faster,
83
8419
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86maybe crosses a line.
87
8820
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90I'm assuming this is
91the most important thing
92
9321
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95- you've ever been a part of.
96- I didn't do it.
97
9822
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100Or I can see
101an equally ambitious senator
102
10323
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105encouraging you to do something.
106
10724
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109Now would be
110a good time to tell me.
111
11225
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114That did not happen.
115What I did, I did on my own.
116
11726
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119I acted alone.
120
12127
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123You ever sleep, bro?
124
12528
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127I used to. Got in the way of work.
128
12929
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131Anything in that bag
132contain the real names
133
13430
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136of CIA officers,
137assets or partners,
138
13931
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141or any information
142that would be in violation
143
14432
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146of the agreement between
147the Central Intelligence Agency
148
14933
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151and the United States Senate?
152
15334
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155- Have a good night, Jay.
156- You, too, Dan.
157
15835
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160So, you did steal the document?
161
16236
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164I did not steal it.
165I relocated it.
166
16737
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169Everyone has their own words.
170
17138
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173The language is built
174to choose sides.
175
17639
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178Now, why did you relocate it?
179
18040
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182They could send you
183to jail, Dan.
184
18541
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187I think I should
188start at the beginning.
189
19042
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192- You Dan Jones?
193- Yeah.
194
19543
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197- Denis McDonough.
198- Hi.
199
20044
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202Thank you so much
203for meeting me.
204
20545
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207Come on in, yeah. Absolutely.
208
20946
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211So, thanks for coming in.
212
21347
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215Uh, tell me your story.
216
21748
21800:03:49,313 --> 00:03:51,193
219My second day of grad school
220was September 11th.
221
22249
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224I was headed to a lecture,
225and everything just... stopped.
226
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229The next day, I changed all my
230classes to national security.
231
23251
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234Good man.
235
23652
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238So, what's the long-term plan?
239
24053
24100:04:01,909 --> 00:04:03,619
242Where do you see yourself
243in ten years?
244
24554
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247Are you running for office?
248
24955
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251Oh, uh, no. No politics for me.
252
25356
25400:04:06,705 --> 00:04:08,391
255I think I'd be more effective
256behind the scenes,
257
25857
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260somewhere I can
261really make a difference.
262
26358
26400:04:10,167 --> 00:04:11,543
265So, what about before Harvard?
266
26759
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269Uh, what'd you fill up
270your days with then?
271
27260
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274Teach For America
275for three years in Baltimore.
276
27761
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279Seventh-graders.
280
28162
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283I read that you taught
284high school Spanish
285
28663
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288in Saint Paul, Minnesota,
289after college?
290
29164
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293And LBJ's first job was teaching
294
29565
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297at the Mexican school
298in South Texas.
299
30066
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302Knowing how
303to deal with children
304
30567
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307is a highly useful skill
308when working on the Hill.
309
31068
31100:04:29,770 --> 00:04:32,356
312But from my perspective
313as Senate staff,
314
31569
31600:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,235
317I would wait until
318things turn around up here.
319
32070
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322I think Senator Daschle
323would say the same thing.
324
32571
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327Go get some real-world
328experience in counterterrorism,
329
33072
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332in... foreign policy.
333
33473
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336Try the CIA. Try FBI.
337
33874
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340Have them teach you what they
341don't teach you in a classroom.
342
34375
34400:04:49,832 --> 00:04:51,685
345Then you can come back here, and...
346
34776
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349help us fix all the things that
350Bush and Cheney are breaking.
351
35277
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354McDonough.
355
35678
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358Yes, Senator, uh, one second.
359
36079
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362The boss. Here.
363
36480
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366Keep in touch, huh?
367
36881
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370- Thank you very much for your time.
371- Absolutely.
372
37382
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375I do not have
376that information right now,
377
37883
37900:05:06,807 --> 00:05:09,268
380but I can certainly get that
381for you in the next 15.
382
38384
38400:05:09,351 --> 00:05:11,228
385Yeah.
386
38785
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389In regards to
390the bomb plots in Germany,
391
39286
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394three men were arrested
395in Medebach
396
39787
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399with 1,500 pounds
400of hydrogen peroxide
401
40288
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404and 26 military-grade
405detonators.
406
40789
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409The CIA suspects
410the Islamic Jihad Union...
411
41290
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414Excuse me.
415
41691
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418Uh, can I borrow you
419for a minute, Dan?
420
42192
42200:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,832
423Uh, Senator would
424like to see you.
425
42693
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428Yeah, of course.
429
43094
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432- Morning, Dan.
433- Morning, Senator.
434
43595
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437Have you seen the story today
438in The New York Times?
439
44096
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442- No, Senator, I have not.
443- Evidently, the CIA destroyed
444
44597
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447tapes of interrogations
448of Al Qaeda detainees.
449
45098
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452Did the Intel Committee know
453there were tapes?
454
45599
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457No. This is the first
458I've heard of it.
459
460100
46100:05:53,353 --> 00:05:56,774
462So, I want to find out
463what was on the tapes
464
465101
46600:05:56,857 --> 00:05:58,233
467and why they were destroyed.
468
469102
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471We want you to lead
472the investigation, Dan.
473
474103
47500:06:02,863 --> 00:06:04,990
476But if the tapes were
477destroyed, how do we...
478
479104
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481They're saying
482they have written records.
483
484105
48500:06:07,201 --> 00:06:10,871
486Thousands of pages.
487Let's see about that.
488
489106
49000:06:10,954 --> 00:06:13,290
491I want you to find out
492exactly what they have
493
494107
49500:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,250
496and read every word of it.
497
498108
49900:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,551
500This report on the
501destruction of tapes by the CIA
502
503109
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505- has been two years in the making.
506- Thank you.
507
508110
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510The findings are very troubling,
511
512111
51300:06:29,932 --> 00:06:32,476
514but it will remain classified.
515
516112
51700:06:32,559 --> 00:06:35,979
518Based on these revelations,
519a larger study into
520
521113
52200:06:36,063 --> 00:06:40,234
523the entire CIA Detention
524and Interrogation Program
525
526114
52700:06:40,317 --> 00:06:43,237
528is clearly in order.
529
530115
53100:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,073
532All in favor, say "yay."
533
534116
53500:06:46,156 --> 00:06:48,367
536- Mr. Whitehouse?
537- Yay.
538
539117
54000:06:48,450 --> 00:06:51,161
541- Mr. Burr?
542- Yay.
543
544118
54500:06:51,245 --> 00:06:54,248
546- Mr. Rockefeller?
547- Yay.
548
549119
55000:06:54,331 --> 00:06:56,583
551Mr. Chambliss?
552
553120
55400:06:56,667 --> 00:06:58,210
555- Nay.
556- Mr. Risch?
557
558121
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560I think this is a waste of time.
561
562122
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564Now, I know you voted
565against this, Saxby...
566
567123
56800:07:02,714 --> 00:07:05,092
569But you already had
570your tapes investigation.
571
572124
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574Yes, but the rest of us
575voted to go further, 14 to one.
576
577125
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579It's our job
580to provide oversight.
581
582126
58300:07:11,223 --> 00:07:15,561
584All during the campaign,
585you got candidate Obama saying
586
587127
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589how he wanted to be the first
590post-partisan president.
591
592128
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594Saxby, you know me.
595
596129
59700:07:20,274 --> 00:07:22,067
598It's my intention
599that this report be seen
600
601130
60200:07:22,151 --> 00:07:24,653
603as coming from the entire
604Intelligence Committee,
605
606131
60700:07:24,736 --> 00:07:26,321
608not just the Democrats.
609
610132
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612So, who takes the lead?
613
614133
61500:07:28,031 --> 00:07:30,701
616Well, I was thinking Dan Jones.
617
618134
61900:07:30,784 --> 00:07:33,829
620He spent four years doing
621counterterrorism at the FBI.
622
623135
62400:07:33,912 --> 00:07:36,582
625He's already got
626the security clearances.
627
628136
62900:07:36,665 --> 00:07:40,127
630The rules are the same
631as the tapes investigation.
632
633137
63400:07:40,210 --> 00:07:42,087
635No politics, no bias,
636
637138
63800:07:42,171 --> 00:07:43,881
639and the senator isn't interested
640
641139
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643in opinions or theories,
644just facts.
645
646140
64700:07:45,799 --> 00:07:47,342
648Based on what
649you found out already,
650
651141
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653this could go to
654a pretty dark place.
655
656142
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658You need to keep your
659personal feelings out of it.
660
661143
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663That's the first thing
664Republicans are gonna look for.
665
666144
66700:07:55,517 --> 00:07:57,519
668No talking to the press
669or your girlfriend
670
671145
67200:07:57,603 --> 00:07:59,313
673or any family members.
674
675146
67600:07:59,396 --> 00:08:01,440
677Nobody outside of the committee.
678
679147
68000:08:01,523 --> 00:08:03,275
681You're gonna get a team of six...
682
683148
68400:08:03,358 --> 00:08:04,798
685Three Republicans,
686three Democrats...
687
688149
68900:08:04,860 --> 00:08:06,820
690But there can't be
691any Republican sentences
692
693150
69400:08:06,904 --> 00:08:08,614
695or Democratic paragraphs.
696
697151
69800:08:08,697 --> 00:08:10,490
699And how long do we have?
700
701152
70200:08:10,574 --> 00:08:13,327
703We're hoping you can
704wrap it up in a year or so.
705
706153
70700:08:13,410 --> 00:08:17,080
708You're gonna have to keep the
709senators updated on your work.
710
711154
71200:08:17,164 --> 00:08:19,458
713Nobody wants any surprises.
714
715155
71600:08:19,541 --> 00:08:22,711
717There's a covert CIA off-site
718in Virginia.
719
720156
72100:08:22,794 --> 00:08:23,962
722You start tomorrow.
723
724157
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726- Jones, right?
727- Sean.
728
729158
73000:08:26,131 --> 00:08:29,343
731- Hi. Dan.
732- Sean Murphy from the Agency.
733
734159
73500:08:29,426 --> 00:08:31,678
736- Let's go inside.
737- Okay.
738
739160
74000:08:36,016 --> 00:08:38,435
741Identification, gentlemen.
742
743161
74400:08:38,518 --> 00:08:41,021
745The room we've designated is a SCIF.
746
747162
74800:08:41,104 --> 00:08:43,357
749No phone reception, no photos...
750You know the drill...
751
752163
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754Lead walls.
755
756164
75700:08:45,525 --> 00:08:47,361
758And, per the agreement,
759
760165
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762the room is off-limits
763to everyone
764
765166
76600:08:49,071 --> 00:08:50,906
767- except committee personnel.
768- Absolutely.
769
770167
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772No one inside
773without your permission.
774
775168
77600:09:02,793 --> 00:09:04,670
777- And the computers?
778- Right here.
779
780169
78100:09:04,753 --> 00:09:07,172
782Your own dedicated server,
783air-gapped workstations.
784
785170
78600:09:07,256 --> 00:09:09,132
787We'll be updating
788the database as we go.
789
790171
79100:09:09,216 --> 00:09:11,301
792The files will be loaded
793on here as we collect them
794
795172
79600:09:11,385 --> 00:09:13,178
797- from across the Agency.
798- Great.
799
800173
80100:09:13,262 --> 00:09:15,198
802We'll want all relevant
803documents as soon as possible.
804
805174
80600:09:15,222 --> 00:09:16,699
807- Well, we got to vet it first.
808- Vet?
809
810175
81100:09:16,723 --> 00:09:18,100
812There's a lot to...
813
814176
81500:09:18,183 --> 00:09:19,503
816Director Panetta
817agreed to give us
818
819177
82000:09:19,559 --> 00:09:20,870
821everything pertaining
822to the program.
823
824178
82500:09:20,894 --> 00:09:23,021
826Wh-Who would be,
827who would be vetting it?
828
829179
83000:09:23,105 --> 00:09:25,023
831It's a big agency.
832
833180
83400:09:25,107 --> 00:09:26,775
835We got to make sure
836you don't get anything
837
838181
83900:09:26,858 --> 00:09:28,986
840you're not supposed to.
841
842182
84300:09:54,428 --> 00:09:56,638
844Make yourself at home.
845
846183
84700:10:05,605 --> 00:10:08,692
848There's... no printer?
849
850184
85100:10:08,775 --> 00:10:10,152
852No paper.
853
854185
85500:10:10,235 --> 00:10:12,279
856No documents are allowed
857to leave the room
858
859186
86000:10:12,362 --> 00:10:14,156
861without CIA approval.
862
863187
86400:10:14,239 --> 00:10:18,201
865Paper has a way of getting
866people in trouble at our place.
867
868188
86900:10:20,704 --> 00:10:23,248
870I think at some point
871we're gonna need a printer.
872
873189
87400:10:23,332 --> 00:10:24,416
875And paper.
876
877190
87800:10:24,499 --> 00:10:27,044
879At our place...
880
881191
88200:10:27,127 --> 00:10:29,629
883paper's how
884we keep track of laws.
885
886192
88700:10:33,008 --> 00:10:34,551
888Okay.
889
890193
89100:11:11,755 --> 00:11:15,175
892Calling this
893an obvious terrorist attack
894
895194
89600:11:15,258 --> 00:11:17,469
897based on very
898preliminary information,
899
900195
90100:11:17,552 --> 00:11:19,346
902the information that
903
904196
90500:11:19,429 --> 00:11:20,740
906intelligence officials
907are getting...
908
909197
91000:11:20,764 --> 00:11:22,474
911You're not gonna like this.
912
913198
91400:11:22,557 --> 00:11:24,702
915A possible
916hijacked plane, and of course
917
918199
91900:11:24,726 --> 00:11:27,979
920the-the very horrifying video
921of the plane...
922
923200
92400:11:28,063 --> 00:11:30,399
925We confirmed some of the names.
926
927201
92800:11:30,482 --> 00:11:31,775
929The hijackers?
930
931202
93200:11:31,858 --> 00:11:33,610
933Two of the guys from
934the Malaysia meetings.
935
936203
93700:11:33,693 --> 00:11:35,987
938The San Diego guys.
939They took down Flight 77.
940
941204
94200:11:36,071 --> 00:11:37,364
943Pentagon.
944
945205
94600:11:37,447 --> 00:11:39,008
947The coordination that took place
948
949206
95000:11:39,032 --> 00:11:40,450
951to have two planes
952hit the towers...
953
954207
95500:11:40,534 --> 00:11:42,494
956Attention, everyone, please.
957
958208
95900:11:42,577 --> 00:11:44,830
960We have reason to believe
961the Counterterrorism Center
962
963209
96400:11:44,913 --> 00:11:46,415
965is a potential target.
966
967210
96800:11:46,498 --> 00:11:49,167
969We're asking all personnel
970to evacuate, immediately.
971
972211
97300:11:49,251 --> 00:11:51,229
974Jim Miklaszewski
975
976212
97700:11:51,253 --> 00:11:52,504
978there from the Pentagon.
979
980213
98100:11:52,587 --> 00:11:54,148
982Of course, the president
983has the authority
984
985214
98600:11:54,172 --> 00:11:56,633
987to scramble
988military, uh, forces,
989
990215
99100:11:56,716 --> 00:11:58,343
992and, uh, this is a case,
993obviously,
994
995216
99600:11:58,427 --> 00:12:01,012
997in which, uh, retaliation,
998if indeed it proves to be
999
1000217
100100:12:01,096 --> 00:12:02,931
1002a terrorist incident,
1003
1004218
100500:12:03,014 --> 00:12:04,534
1006will be contemplated.
1007
1008219
100900:12:04,599 --> 00:12:06,619
1010We also have to work, though,
1011
1012220
101300:12:06,643 --> 00:12:08,203
1014sort of, the-the dark side,
1015if you will.
1016
1017221
101800:12:08,228 --> 00:12:09,708
1019We've got to spend time
1020in the shadows
1021
1022222
102300:12:09,771 --> 00:12:11,606
1024in-in the intelligence world.
1025
1026223
102700:12:11,690 --> 00:12:13,984
1028Uh, a lot of
1029what needs to be done here
1030
1031224
103200:12:14,067 --> 00:12:16,778
1033will have to be done quietly,
1034without any discussion...
1035
1036225
103700:12:16,862 --> 00:12:17,988
1038Fucking warned them.
1039
1040226
104100:12:18,071 --> 00:12:20,449
1042August 6th
1043presidential briefing:
1044
1045227
104600:12:20,532 --> 00:12:22,451
1047"Bin Ladin Determined
1048to Strike in U.S."
1049
1050228
105100:12:22,534 --> 00:12:24,953
1052- Flashing red lights.
1053- And before that,
1054
1055229
105600:12:25,036 --> 00:12:27,164
1057in July, what did we say?
1058
1059230
106000:12:27,247 --> 00:12:29,583
1061"There will be
1062significant terrorist attacks
1063
1064231
106500:12:29,666 --> 00:12:33,670
1066against the United States in
1067the weeks and months to come."
1068
1069232
107000:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,172
1071It's not your fault.
1072
1073233
107400:12:35,255 --> 00:12:38,842
1075It is a mean, nasty, dangerous,
1076uh, dirty business out there,
1077
1078234
107900:12:38,925 --> 00:12:41,303
1080and we have to operate
1081in that arena.
1082
1083235
108400:12:41,386 --> 00:12:43,430
1085But we need to make certain
1086that we have not
1087
1088236
108900:12:43,513 --> 00:12:46,725
1090tied the hands, if you will,
1091of our intelligence community.
1092
1093237
109400:12:46,808 --> 00:12:49,352
1095Counterterrorism Director Black
1096and I saw President Bush
1097
1098238
109900:12:49,436 --> 00:12:51,229
1100at Camp David this weekend.
1101
1102239
110300:12:51,313 --> 00:12:53,565
1104And the president gave me
1105his word that there will be
1106
1107240
110800:12:53,648 --> 00:12:57,319
1109no changes in CIA leadership as
1110a result of Tuesday's attacks.
1111
1112241
111300:12:57,402 --> 00:12:59,070
1114We will look forward now,
1115
1116242
111700:12:59,154 --> 00:13:02,532
1118not waste time second-guessing
1119or looking for blame.
1120
1121243
112200:13:02,616 --> 00:13:04,993
1123Going forward, we will be
1124the tip of the spear
1125
1126244
112700:13:05,076 --> 00:13:07,329
1128in the battle against Al Qaeda.
1129
1130245
113100:13:07,412 --> 00:13:09,998
1132As I said
1133to the president, two weeks,
1134
1135246
113600:13:10,081 --> 00:13:13,126
1137we'll have flies walking
1138across Al Qaeda eyeballs.
1139
1140247
114100:13:13,210 --> 00:13:15,313
1142I've asked Chief Counsel Rizzo
1143here to walk us through
1144
1145248
114600:13:15,337 --> 00:13:17,506
1147where we are from
1148a legal standpoint.
1149
1150249
115100:13:17,589 --> 00:13:21,676
1152The president has issued
1153a memorandum of notification
1154
1155250
115600:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,264
1157giving CIA the power to capture
1158and detain suspected terrorists
1159
1160251
116100:13:26,348 --> 00:13:27,766
1162on the battlefield.
1163
1164252
116500:13:27,849 --> 00:13:29,726
1166Detain them where?
1167
1168253
116900:13:29,809 --> 00:13:31,937
1170Are we bringing them
1171to the U.S.?
1172
1173254
117400:13:32,020 --> 00:13:34,147
1175We're really not
1176in the prison business
1177
1178255
117900:13:34,231 --> 00:13:36,399
1180- over in Counterterrorism.
1181- Look,
1182
1183256
118400:13:36,483 --> 00:13:39,110
1185the budget for Counterterrorism
1186last week was what?
1187
1188257
118900:13:39,194 --> 00:13:41,530
1190$600 million?
1191
1192258
119300:13:41,613 --> 00:13:45,200
1194The budget this week is
1195whatever you need it to be.
1196
1197259
119800:13:45,283 --> 00:13:48,161
1199And we are in whatever business
1200it takes to get the job done.
1201
1202260
120300:13:49,329 --> 00:13:51,122
1204Initially, CIA legal
1205
1206261
120700:13:51,206 --> 00:13:53,625
1208stated that any facility used
1209to hold detainees
1210
1211262
121200:13:53,708 --> 00:13:56,378
1213had to meet the requirements
1214of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons,
1215
1216263
121700:13:56,461 --> 00:13:57,605
1218but then Deputy Director Pavitt
1219
1220264
122100:13:57,629 --> 00:13:58,981
1222thought that was
1223gonna be too limiting.
1224
1225265
122600:13:59,005 --> 00:14:01,007
1227So, who came up
1228with the black sites?
1229
1230266
123100:14:01,091 --> 00:14:02,092
1232Not totally clear.
1233
1234267
123500:14:02,175 --> 00:14:03,760
1236My guess is either
1237
1238268
123900:14:03,843 --> 00:14:06,555
1240a senior officer
1241at Counterterr... CTC,
1242
1243269
124400:14:06,638 --> 00:14:08,014
1245or Alec Station bin Laden unit
1246
1247270
124800:14:08,098 --> 00:14:09,698
1249decided black sites
1250were the best option.
1251
1252271
125300:14:09,766 --> 00:14:12,686
1254Well, did the CIA
1255tell the State Department
1256
1257272
125800:14:12,769 --> 00:14:16,481
1259they were making deals
1260to hold people on foreign soil?
1261
1262273
126300:14:16,565 --> 00:14:19,609
1264Where was Secretary of State
1265Powell in all this?
1266
1267274
126800:14:19,693 --> 00:14:21,152
1269Well, I found a memo.
1270
1271275
127200:14:21,236 --> 00:14:24,364
1273The CIA's general counsel...
1274
1275276
127600:14:24,447 --> 00:14:26,116
1277said the decision was made
1278
1279277
128000:14:26,199 --> 00:14:28,743
1281not to tell Powell
1282about the program,
1283
1284278
128500:14:28,827 --> 00:14:31,454
1286because...
1287
1288279
128900:14:31,538 --> 00:14:33,039
1290"He would blow his stack
1291
1292280
129300:14:33,123 --> 00:14:35,542
1294if he were to be briefed
1295on what was going on."
1296
1297281
129800:14:37,210 --> 00:14:39,421
1299Well, who decided that?
1300
1301282
130200:14:39,504 --> 00:14:41,256
1303Someone inside the White House.
1304
1305283
130600:14:41,339 --> 00:14:42,340
1307Mm-hmm.
1308
1309284
131000:14:43,425 --> 00:14:45,760
1311What about interrogations?
1312
1313285
131400:14:45,844 --> 00:14:47,596
1315President Bush's memoranda
1316
1317286
131800:14:47,679 --> 00:14:49,681
1319just authorized
1320capturing and detaining.
1321
1322287
132300:14:49,764 --> 00:14:51,850
1324It didn't say anything
1325about interrogations.
1326
1327288
132800:14:51,933 --> 00:14:54,769
1329And who gave them permission
1330to play that role?
1331
1332289
133300:14:54,853 --> 00:14:58,732
1334Nobody. It looks like
1335it started with legal at CTC.
1336
1337290
133800:15:01,651 --> 00:15:04,255
1339Do you want me to brief Senator McCain
1340on this? I know he's interested.
1341
1342291
134300:15:04,279 --> 00:15:06,990
1344The Republicans just
1345pulled out of the study, Dan.
1346
1347292
134800:15:12,329 --> 00:15:14,414
1349Good morning.
1350
1351293
135200:15:14,497 --> 00:15:16,458
1353Where is everybody?
1354
1355294
135600:15:18,543 --> 00:15:21,129
1357Attorney General Holder
1358opened a criminal investigation
1359
1360295
136100:15:21,212 --> 00:15:22,589
1362into the CIA.
1363
1364296
136500:15:22,672 --> 00:15:25,133
1366As a result, the Agency
1367won't allow any of their people
1368
1369297
137000:15:25,216 --> 00:15:26,760
1371to be interviewed
1372for our report.
1373
1374298
137500:15:26,843 --> 00:15:29,179
1376The Republicans don't see
1377how we can move forward,
1378
1379299
138000:15:29,262 --> 00:15:30,388
1381so they're out.
1382
1383300
138400:15:31,931 --> 00:15:33,391
1385So, does this mean we stop?
1386
1387301
138800:15:33,475 --> 00:15:35,185
1389I mean, the committee
1390voted to investigate.
1391
1392302
139300:15:35,268 --> 00:15:36,728
1394The senator says we keep going.
1395
1396303
139700:15:36,811 --> 00:15:38,706
1398But we can't actually talk
1399to anyone who was involved
1400
1401304
140200:15:38,730 --> 00:15:40,899
1403- in the program.
1404- Right. According to CIA legal,
1405
1406305
140700:15:40,982 --> 00:15:43,443
1408CIA personnel is
1409only speaking to DOJ.
1410
1411306
141200:15:43,526 --> 00:15:45,028
1413And is DOJ gonna
1414share their findings?
1415
1416307
141700:15:45,111 --> 00:15:46,404
1418I mean, can we work with them?
1419
1420308
142100:15:46,488 --> 00:15:47,882
1422I've reached out
1423to the special prosecutor.
1424
1425309
142600:15:47,906 --> 00:15:49,532
1427I'm waiting to hear back.
1428
1429310
143000:15:49,616 --> 00:15:51,510
1431Okay, but if nobody who
1432actually worked on the program
1433
1434311
143500:15:51,534 --> 00:15:53,787
1436is going to talk to us,
1437how do we investigate?
1438
1439312
144000:15:53,870 --> 00:15:55,288
1441So, we have the files,
1442
1443313
144400:15:55,372 --> 00:15:57,248
1445their e-mails and cables,
1446their memos.
1447
1448314
144900:15:57,332 --> 00:15:58,958
1450We have to use
1451their own communications
1452
1453315
145400:15:59,042 --> 00:16:00,251
1455to tell the story.
1456
1457316
145800:16:00,335 --> 00:16:02,796
1459Do you have any idea
1460how hard that's gonna be?
1461
1462317
146300:16:02,879 --> 00:16:05,048
1464The tapes investigation
1465took two years, Dan,
1466
1467318
146800:16:05,131 --> 00:16:08,009
1469and this is about a lot more
1470than what was on the tapes.
1471
1472319
147300:16:08,093 --> 00:16:11,012
1474Uh, we don't even know
1475what this is.
1476
1477320
147800:16:11,096 --> 00:16:13,264
1479Right, but we do know
1480who it starts with.
1481
1482321
148300:16:13,348 --> 00:16:15,725
1484We go one detainee at a time.
1485
1486322
148700:16:48,967 --> 00:16:49,967
1488You speak English?
1489
1490323
149100:16:51,469 --> 00:16:53,179
1492My name is Ali Soufan.
1493I'm with the FBI.
1494
1495324
149600:16:53,263 --> 00:16:54,931
1497You're under arrest.
1498
1499325
150000:16:55,014 --> 00:16:58,017
1501- You understand?
1502- No. Where are you taking me?
1503
1504326
150500:17:04,315 --> 00:17:06,860
1506Your wound is infected.
1507
1508327
150900:17:06,943 --> 00:17:09,070
1510But we're going to
1511take good care of you.
1512
1513328
151400:17:13,992 --> 00:17:15,702
1515I want to show you something.
1516
1517329
151800:17:23,501 --> 00:17:26,045
1519He's talking to
1520someone off-screen.
1521
1522330
152300:17:27,589 --> 00:17:30,341
1524He's calling him Mukhtar.
1525
1526331
152700:17:30,425 --> 00:17:32,218
1528You know who that is?
1529
1530332
153100:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,397
1532Mukhtar.
1533
1534333
153500:17:51,696 --> 00:17:54,199
1536A man who lost his mind?
1537
1538334
153900:18:01,623 --> 00:18:03,208
1540No, not him.
1541
1542335
154300:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,092
1544Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?
1545
1546336
154700:18:41,913 --> 00:18:43,832
1548Abu Zubaydah confirmed
1549that KSM is the leader
1550
1551337
155200:18:43,915 --> 00:18:46,668
1553of all Al Qaeda operations
1554outside of Afghanistan.
1555
1556338
155700:18:46,751 --> 00:18:48,044
1558He trained the hijackers.
1559
1560339
156100:18:48,127 --> 00:18:49,629
1562We're calling him
1563the mastermind.
1564
1565340
156600:18:49,712 --> 00:18:51,256
1567Outstanding.
1568
1569341
157000:18:51,339 --> 00:18:53,341
1571Hats off to the bin Laden group.
1572
1573342
157400:18:53,424 --> 00:18:55,093
1575Whichever one of
1576your people did this,
1577
1578343
157900:18:55,176 --> 00:18:57,345
1580I want to call them and
1581congratulate them in person.
1582
1583344
158400:18:57,428 --> 00:18:59,347
1585Who was it?
1586
1587345
158800:18:59,430 --> 00:19:01,266
1589Wasn't our guy.
1590
1591346
159200:19:01,349 --> 00:19:03,184
1593What? Who got it?
1594
1595347
159600:19:03,268 --> 00:19:05,937
1597FBI is working Zubaydah.
1598
1599348
160000:19:06,020 --> 00:19:07,397
1601An FBI guy got this?
1602
1603349
160400:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,315
1605Yes, Ali Soufan.
1606
1607350
160800:19:09,399 --> 00:19:11,234
1609Uh, they used him
1610in the Cole investigation.
1611
1612351
161300:19:11,317 --> 00:19:13,677
1614He's part of their counterterrorism group.
1615He speaks Arabic.
1616
1617352
161800:19:13,736 --> 00:19:16,364
1619I don't care who speaks Arabic.
1620
1621353
162200:19:16,447 --> 00:19:19,117
1623This is not just
1624a criminal investigation.
1625
1626354
162700:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,869
1628We are gathering
1629intelligence here.
1630
1631355
163200:19:20,952 --> 00:19:22,370
1633That is what we do.
1634
1635356
163600:19:22,453 --> 00:19:24,706
1637The FBI is looking at the past.
1638
1639357
164000:19:24,789 --> 00:19:26,958
1641We need to stop attacks
1642in the future.
1643
1644358
164500:19:27,041 --> 00:19:29,294
1646I want CIA in the room
1647with this guy, okay?
1648
1649359
165000:19:29,377 --> 00:19:32,338
1651I want CIA
1652in the room with Zubaydah.
1653
1654360
165500:19:32,422 --> 00:19:34,108
1656So, who do we have
1657who can work on him?
1658
1659361
166000:19:34,132 --> 00:19:35,652
1661CIA runs sources,
1662people who cooperate.
1663
1664362
166500:19:35,717 --> 00:19:37,135
1666That's not these guys.
1667
1668363
166900:19:37,218 --> 00:19:39,387
1670Every second we are not
1671draining the detainee's brain,
1672
1673364
167400:19:39,470 --> 00:19:41,180
1675we are rolling the dice.
1676
1677365
167800:19:41,264 --> 00:19:42,765
1679We need our people in the room.
1680
1681366
168200:19:42,849 --> 00:19:45,727
1683We need to be the ones
1684asking the questions now.
1685
1686367
168700:19:45,810 --> 00:19:48,271
1688I heard from someone
1689over in Technical Services,
1690
1691368
169200:19:48,354 --> 00:19:50,106
1693a woman named Miriam,
1694
1695369
169600:19:50,189 --> 00:19:52,817
1697about a couple of
1698Air Force psychologists
1699
1700370
170100:19:52,901 --> 00:19:56,237
1702who came in and pitched a whole
1703new approach to interrogations.
1704
1705371
170600:19:56,321 --> 00:19:58,615
1707Jim Mitchell and Bruce Jessen.
1708
1709372
171000:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,701
1711Miriam says Mitchell
1712has the special sauce.
1713
1714373
171500:20:03,453 --> 00:20:06,247
1716Zubaydah didn't
1717tell us everything,
1718
1719374
172000:20:06,331 --> 00:20:10,043
1721because we stopped short
1722of where we needed to go.
1723
1724375
172500:20:10,126 --> 00:20:15,757
1726SERE stands for Survival,
1727Evasion, Resistance and Escape.
1728
1729376
173000:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,261
1731It's a program to help prepare
1732U.S. Special Forces
1733
1734377
173500:20:20,345 --> 00:20:22,639
1736for whatever they might
1737encounter if captured.
1738
1739378
174000:20:22,722 --> 00:20:26,142
1741Now, I have over 14,000 hours
1742
1743379
174400:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,895
1745observing SERE
1746interrogation techniques.
1747
1748380
174900:20:28,978 --> 00:20:30,980
1750Bruce here has more than that...
1751
1752381
175300:20:31,064 --> 00:20:32,899
1754Uh, observing, as opposed to...?
1755
1756382
175700:20:32,982 --> 00:20:35,944
1758I took a course in conducting
1759interrogations as well.
1760
1761383
176200:20:36,027 --> 00:20:38,821
1763I worked with volunteers
1764in actual simulations.
1765
1766384
176700:20:38,905 --> 00:20:41,908
1768We feel we can reverse engineer
1769
1770385
177100:20:41,991 --> 00:20:45,828
1772these SERE techniques
1773to induce learned helplessness.
1774
1775386
177600:20:45,912 --> 00:20:47,830
1777Can you explain what that means,
1778
1779387
178000:20:47,914 --> 00:20:49,874
1781"reverse engineer"?
1782
1783388
178400:20:49,958 --> 00:20:51,918
1785Instead of using
1786these techniques
1787
1788389
178900:20:52,001 --> 00:20:53,670
1790to protect our people,
1791
1792390
179300:20:53,753 --> 00:20:57,882
1794we use them to achieve
1795compliance in the detainees.
1796
1797391
179800:20:57,966 --> 00:21:01,177
1799Our plan involves, uh,
1800using individual assessments
1801
1802392
180300:21:01,260 --> 00:21:05,974
1804of detainees to create
1805a program designed to induce
1806
1807393
180800:21:06,057 --> 00:21:09,769
1809debility, dependency and dread.
1810
1811394
181200:21:09,852 --> 00:21:12,981
1813- We call these the three "D"s.
1814- Three "D"s.
1815
1816395
181700:21:13,064 --> 00:21:15,066
1818And there's science
1819to back this up?
1820
1821396
182200:21:15,149 --> 00:21:16,693
1823Oh, yes. Yes, sir.
1824
1825397
182600:21:16,776 --> 00:21:18,486
1827Excuse me, Dr. Mitchell.
1828
1829398
183000:21:18,569 --> 00:21:21,531
1831Can you elaborate on, uh, the
1832techniques you'll be employing?
1833
1834399
183500:21:21,614 --> 00:21:23,032
1836Absolutely.
1837
1838400
183900:21:25,118 --> 00:21:28,037
1840The, uh, the attention grasp.
1841
1842401
184300:21:30,248 --> 00:21:31,874
1844Walling.
1845
1846402
184700:21:31,958 --> 00:21:33,960
1848Facial hold.
1849
1850403
185100:21:34,043 --> 00:21:38,297
1852The facial slap or insult slap.
1853
1854404
185500:21:38,381 --> 00:21:40,299
1856Cramped confinement.
1857
1858405
185900:21:41,843 --> 00:21:44,053
1860Wall standing.
1861
1862406
186300:21:44,137 --> 00:21:47,223
1864Stress positions.
1865
1866407
186700:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,642
1868Sleep deprivation.
1869
1870408
187100:21:49,726 --> 00:21:51,769
1872Waterboarding.
1873
1874409
187500:21:51,853 --> 00:21:53,813
1876Use of insects.
1877
1878410
187900:21:53,896 --> 00:21:56,399
1880And mock burials.
1881
1882411
188300:21:59,777 --> 00:22:02,030
1884Well, from my perspective,
1885this seems like it could be
1886
1887412
188800:22:02,113 --> 00:22:05,033
1889a potential game changer,
1890but, of course...
1891
1892413
189300:22:05,116 --> 00:22:07,076
1894it's up to Director Rodriguez.
1895
1896414
189700:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,912
1898I think if we're serious about
1899stopping the next threat,
1900
1901415
190200:22:09,996 --> 00:22:11,831
1903we need to put on
1904our big boy pants
1905
1906416
190700:22:11,914 --> 00:22:13,708
1908and provide the authorities
1909these guys need.
1910
1911417
191200:22:13,791 --> 00:22:18,254
1913These approaches might...
1914raise some eyebrows at Defense.
1915
1916418
191700:22:18,337 --> 00:22:21,174
1918Well, we're not at Defense.
1919We're at the CIA.
1920
1921419
192200:22:21,257 --> 00:22:22,633
1923Besides, you just said,
1924
1925420
192600:22:22,717 --> 00:22:24,677
1927we use this SERE stuff
1928on our guys all the time.
1929
1930421
193100:22:24,761 --> 00:22:26,763
1932I don't see a problem.
1933
1934422
193500:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,765
1936Shortly after the CIA's decision
1937
1938423
193900:22:28,848 --> 00:22:30,975
1940to engage Dr. Mitchell,
1941Abu Zubaydah was moved
1942
1943424
194400:22:31,059 --> 00:22:33,269
1945to a cell that was lit
194624 hours a day.
1947
1948425
194900:22:33,352 --> 00:22:36,481
1950Loud noise was fed into
1951his cell to disrupt his sleep.
1952
1953426
195400:22:36,564 --> 00:22:38,441
1955What about the guy
1956who got him talking?
1957
1958427
195900:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,151
1960Ali Soufan?
1961
1962428
196300:22:40,234 --> 00:22:42,111
1964Wait, he's FBI, not CIA.
1965
1966429
196700:22:42,195 --> 00:22:44,614
1968So, we can ask him
1969questions, right?
1970
1971430
197200:22:44,697 --> 00:22:47,075
1973No rule against that.
1974
1975431
197600:22:47,158 --> 00:22:48,618
1977We can try.
1978
1979432
198000:22:59,504 --> 00:23:01,839
1981There's only
1982one interrogation technique
1983
1984433
198500:23:01,923 --> 00:23:04,425
1986Rapport building.
1987
1988434
198900:23:04,509 --> 00:23:07,261
1990You get close to these guys,
1991and they open up.
1992
1993435
199400:23:07,345 --> 00:23:09,222
1995But the CIA didn't believe that.
1996
1997436
199800:23:09,305 --> 00:23:10,890
1999Just look at Abu Zubaydah.
2000
2001437
200200:23:10,973 --> 00:23:13,101
2003Well, you got him to talk.
2004How'd you do that?
2005
2006438
200700:23:13,184 --> 00:23:16,270
2008I walked in one day and
2009played him a tape of himself.
2010
2011439
201200:23:16,354 --> 00:23:18,689
2013Most of it was
2014of a phone conversation.
2015
2016440
201700:23:18,773 --> 00:23:20,233
2018Uh, we had tapped his phones.
2019
2020441
202100:23:20,316 --> 00:23:22,652
2022But he forgot to hang up
2023at the end of the call,
2024
2025442
202600:23:22,735 --> 00:23:25,571
2027so we had all this
2028background noise of his house.
2029
2030443
203100:23:25,655 --> 00:23:27,573
2032Then my partner walked in
2033
2034444
203500:23:27,657 --> 00:23:30,118
2036with a big box
2037full of cassette tapes.
2038
2039445
204000:23:30,201 --> 00:23:32,370
2041We told him we had bugged
2042his safe house;
2043
2044446
204500:23:32,453 --> 00:23:34,038
2046we had been listening
2047for months;
2048
2049447
205000:23:34,122 --> 00:23:36,707
2051we knew everything,
2052so lying was pointless.
2053
2054448
205500:23:36,791 --> 00:23:38,751
2056He looked at
2057the box full of tapes and...
2058
2059449
206000:23:38,835 --> 00:23:40,211
2061And all-all the tapes
2062were blank.
2063
2064450
206500:23:40,294 --> 00:23:43,005
2066Of course they were.
2067But he didn't know that.
2068
2069451
207000:23:43,089 --> 00:23:45,049
2071So, he talked.
2072
2073452
207400:23:45,133 --> 00:23:48,553
2075Uh, what happened when
2076the contractors showed up?
2077
2078453
207900:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,472
2080Who the fuck is this?
2081
2082454
208300:23:51,556 --> 00:23:53,492
2084Dr. Mitchell
2085is an Air Force psychologist,
2086
2087455
208800:23:53,516 --> 00:23:55,643
2089and he's developed
2090a new method of interrogation.
2091
2092456
209300:23:55,726 --> 00:23:57,246
2094Why-why do we need a new method?
2095
2096457
209700:23:57,270 --> 00:23:59,188
2098He's not telling you everything.
2099
2100458
210100:23:59,272 --> 00:24:01,399
2102We think he knows more.
2103
2104459
210500:24:01,482 --> 00:24:02,733
2106We put him at number three
2107
2108460
210900:24:02,817 --> 00:24:04,360
2110or number four
2111in Al Qaeda leadership.
2112
2113461
211400:24:04,443 --> 00:24:05,546
2115He probably knows the next move.
2116
2117462
211800:24:05,570 --> 00:24:07,864
2119Do you speak Arabic, Jim?
2120Does Gary here?
2121
2122463
212300:24:07,947 --> 00:24:09,198
2124Don't need to.
2125
2126464
212700:24:10,908 --> 00:24:12,535
2128C-Can I ask you something?
2129
2130465
213100:24:12,618 --> 00:24:16,873
2132Have you ever interrogated
2133any sort of extremist before?
2134
2135466
213600:24:16,956 --> 00:24:19,959
2137- Know much about Al Qaeda?
2138- No.
2139
2140467
214100:24:20,042 --> 00:24:22,628
2142Have you ever interrogated
2143any sort of terrorist before?
2144
2145468
214600:24:22,712 --> 00:24:26,132
2147- No.
2148- Any sort of criminal?
2149
2150469
215100:24:26,215 --> 00:24:27,592
2152No.
2153
2154470
215500:24:27,675 --> 00:24:30,344
2156Have you ever interrogated
2157anyone before?
2158
2159471
216000:24:30,428 --> 00:24:31,679
2161It's not important.
2162
2163472
216400:24:31,762 --> 00:24:35,808
2165He's a human;
2166I'm a psychologist.
2167
2168473
216900:24:35,892 --> 00:24:37,643
2170He knows a secret,
2171
2172474
217300:24:37,727 --> 00:24:42,190
2174and I'm gonna get him
2175to tell that secret to Gary.
2176
2177475
217800:24:42,273 --> 00:24:44,554
2179What-what are you going
2180to do to him that isn't...
2181
2182476
218300:24:44,609 --> 00:24:46,861
2184What am I gonna do?
2185
2186477
218700:24:46,944 --> 00:24:48,571
2188What is Jim gonna do?
2189
2190478
219100:24:48,654 --> 00:24:51,908
2192Jim's gonna do what works.
2193
2194479
219500:24:53,993 --> 00:24:55,995
2196Let's go, shitbird!
2197
2198480
219900:25:00,082 --> 00:25:01,876
2200Move it, asshole!
2201
2202481
220300:25:03,336 --> 00:25:04,879
2204Help! Please!
2205
2206482
220700:25:21,270 --> 00:25:23,064
2208You can't just shave
2209a Muslim man.
2210
2211483
221200:25:23,147 --> 00:25:24,267
2213Do you know what that means?
2214
2215484
221600:25:24,315 --> 00:25:26,525
2217He's going to shut down.
2218
2219485
222000:25:26,609 --> 00:25:29,153
2221Got to humiliate him,
2222right off the bat.
2223
2224486
222500:25:29,237 --> 00:25:31,113
2226Same reason
2227we took away his clothes.
2228
2229487
223000:25:31,197 --> 00:25:32,740
2231Why the loud music?
2232
2233488
223400:25:32,823 --> 00:25:34,575
2235Sleep deprivation.
2236
2237489
223800:25:34,659 --> 00:25:37,245
2239We stop the music
2240when he starts talking.
2241
2242490
224300:25:37,328 --> 00:25:38,913
2244Then he can sleep.
2245
2246491
224700:25:38,996 --> 00:25:40,581
2248Tired people tell the truth?
2249
2250492
225100:25:40,665 --> 00:25:42,708
2252Learned helplessness.
2253
2254493
225500:25:42,792 --> 00:25:45,836
2256You're familiar with
2257Dr. Martin Seligman?
2258
2259494
226000:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,381
2261Seligman did
2262an experiment with dogs.
2263
2264495
226500:25:48,464 --> 00:25:50,299
2266He put them in a cage
2267
2268496
226900:25:50,383 --> 00:25:52,927
2270with a barrier
2271running down the middle.
2272
2273497
227400:25:53,010 --> 00:25:54,637
2275And one side of the cage
2276was electrified
2277
2278498
227900:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,264
2280and the other wasn't.
2281
2282499
228300:25:56,347 --> 00:25:58,140
2284At first,
2285when he shocked the dogs,
2286
2287500
228800:25:58,224 --> 00:26:00,142
2289they'd jump over the barrier
2290to get away.
2291
2292501
229300:26:00,226 --> 00:26:02,436
2294And then
2295he electrified both sides.
2296
2297502
229800:26:04,021 --> 00:26:05,439
2299There was no escape.
2300
2301503
230200:26:07,024 --> 00:26:09,402
2303No belief they could
2304change anything.
2305
2306504
230700:26:09,485 --> 00:26:13,489
2308He'd open the door to the cage,
2309they wouldn't even leave.
2310
2311505
231200:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,032
2313It's learned helplessness.
2314
2315506
231600:26:15,116 --> 00:26:17,076
2317That's what we're
2318gonna instill in this man.
2319
2320507
232100:26:17,159 --> 00:26:18,869
2322You'll see.
2323
2324508
232500:26:25,001 --> 00:26:27,628
2326A coffin? You're gonna kill him?
2327
2328509
232900:26:27,712 --> 00:26:29,922
2330Let's call it a confinement box.
2331
2332510
233300:26:30,006 --> 00:26:32,758
2334I got this one,
2335and I got a smaller one.
2336
2337511
233800:26:32,842 --> 00:26:35,511
2339And you're gonna
2340put him in there?
2341
2342512
234300:26:35,594 --> 00:26:40,599
2344With these, which, based on
2345my evaluation, he hates.
2346
2347513
234800:26:40,683 --> 00:26:42,393
2349Are you out of your mind?
2350
2351514
235200:26:43,394 --> 00:26:44,979
2353We don't do this.
2354
2355515
235600:26:45,062 --> 00:26:46,522
2357You know this is
2358against the law.
2359
2360516
236100:26:46,605 --> 00:26:49,150
2362The most senior people
2363have signed off on it.
2364
2365517
236600:26:49,233 --> 00:26:50,735
2367We're putting him on trial.
2368
2369518
237000:26:50,818 --> 00:26:52,903
2371How are we gonna build
2372a case against him?
2373
2374519
237500:26:54,113 --> 00:26:56,615
2376Who says he's getting a trial?
2377
2378520
237900:26:58,492 --> 00:27:01,620
2380I wanted to arrest him
2381right there on the spot.
2382
2383521
238400:27:01,704 --> 00:27:04,123
2385- I told the Bureau that.
2386- What'd they say?
2387
2388522
238900:27:04,206 --> 00:27:06,000
2390They briefed Director Mueller,
2391
2392523
239300:27:06,083 --> 00:27:09,170
2394and told me to get the hell
2395out of there, so I did.
2396
2397524
239800:27:09,253 --> 00:27:11,964
2399- When was that?
2400- Late May, mid-May or...
2401
2402525
240300:27:12,048 --> 00:27:14,592
2404'Cause I'm finding records
2405that say that Mitchell left
2406
2407526
240800:27:14,675 --> 00:27:16,552
2409a little while later,
2410early June,
2411
2412527
241300:27:16,635 --> 00:27:20,181
2414for R & R and some meetings
2415at headquarters.
2416
2417528
241800:27:20,264 --> 00:27:22,850
2419But we had one
2420high-value detainee in custody,
2421
2422529
242300:27:22,933 --> 00:27:24,435
2424Abu Zubaydah.
2425
2426530
242700:27:24,518 --> 00:27:27,063
2428And after Mitchell left,
2429the CIA put him in isolation,
2430
2431531
243200:27:27,146 --> 00:27:29,815
2433and didn't ask him
2434a single question for 47 days.
2435
2436532
243700:27:31,567 --> 00:27:33,527
2438Are you fucking kidding me?
2439
2440533
244100:27:33,611 --> 00:27:35,738
2442The whole country was
2443on red alert that summer.
2444
2445534
244600:27:35,821 --> 00:27:37,740
2447If they were so concerned
2448about the next attack,
2449
2450535
245100:27:37,823 --> 00:27:39,092
2452why'd they stop
2453asking questions?
2454
2455536
245600:27:39,116 --> 00:27:40,396
2457Right, it doesn't
2458make any sense.
2459
2460537
246100:27:40,451 --> 00:27:42,453
2462Once the psychologist showed up,
2463
2464538
246500:27:42,536 --> 00:27:44,205
2466almost nothing did anymore.
2467
2468539
246900:27:51,462 --> 00:27:53,631
2470The CIA said
2471Zubaydah was involved
2472
2473540
247400:27:53,714 --> 00:27:55,758
2475in every major
2476terrorist operation
2477
2478541
247900:27:55,841 --> 00:27:57,134
2480carried out by Al Qaeda.
2481
2482542
248300:27:57,218 --> 00:27:58,636
2484They told the president
2485
2486543
248700:27:58,719 --> 00:28:00,238
2488he was number three or four
2489in the organization.
2490
2491544
249200:28:00,262 --> 00:28:02,723
2493Yes, that was
2494my understanding as well.
2495
2496545
249700:28:02,807 --> 00:28:04,975
2498And the claim that
2499Zubaydah was a major player
2500
2501546
250200:28:05,059 --> 00:28:07,499
2503was the main justification they
2504gave to the Justice Department
2505
2506547
250700:28:07,561 --> 00:28:09,021
2508for needing to go harder.
2509
2510548
251100:28:09,105 --> 00:28:10,916
2512They were certain
2513he knew about the next attack.
2514
2515549
251600:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,566
2517But last night I found this.
2518
2519550
252000:28:13,984 --> 00:28:16,487
2521Turns out Zubaydah wasn't three
2522or four in the organization.
2523
2524551
252500:28:16,570 --> 00:28:18,823
2526He wasn't part of
2527Al Qaeda leadership at all.
2528
2529552
253000:28:18,906 --> 00:28:20,950
2531They only had one source
2532calling him that,
2533
2534553
253500:28:21,033 --> 00:28:23,327
2536and that source later admitted
2537he was lying.
2538
2539554
254000:28:23,411 --> 00:28:26,080
2541So, they exaggerated who he was
2542
2543555
254400:28:26,163 --> 00:28:28,707
2545to the president
2546and the Department of Justice
2547
2548556
254900:28:28,791 --> 00:28:32,128
2550in order to get legal approvals
2551for these new techniques?
2552
2553557
255400:28:32,211 --> 00:28:33,671
2555Is that what you're saying?
2556
2557558
255800:28:33,754 --> 00:28:36,424
2559I think that's a possibility.
2560
2561559
256200:28:36,507 --> 00:28:38,217
2563The program
2564really starts with him.
2565
2566560
256700:28:42,930 --> 00:28:45,224
2568Have you guys
2569used this thing before?
2570
2571561
257200:28:45,307 --> 00:28:47,476
2573The waterboard?
2574
2575562
257600:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,270
2577No, it's a Navy thing.
2578
2579563
258000:28:49,353 --> 00:28:51,063
2581But we watched a video.
2582
2583564
258400:28:51,147 --> 00:28:52,648
2585We tested it on each other,
2586
2587565
258800:28:52,731 --> 00:28:55,276
2589just to get a feel
2590for the experience.
2591
2592566
259300:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,027
2594Is it safe?
2595
2596567
259700:28:58,612 --> 00:28:59,864
2598Yes.
2599
2600568
260100:29:07,371 --> 00:29:09,457
2602<i>♪ Monarch to the kingdom
2603of the dead... ♪</i>
2604
2605569
260600:29:11,417 --> 00:29:14,044
2607Who are
2608the operatives inside the U.S.?
2609
2610570
261100:29:14,128 --> 00:29:15,504
2612I don't know!
2613
2614571
261500:29:15,588 --> 00:29:17,965
2616<i>♪ Infamous... ♪</i>
2617
2618572
261900:29:20,134 --> 00:29:21,677
2620When is the next attack?
2621
2622573
262300:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,761
2624I don't know.
2625
2626574
262700:29:31,395 --> 00:29:35,608
2628One, two, three, four, five,
2629
2630575
263100:29:35,691 --> 00:29:40,237
2632six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11,
2633
2634576
263500:29:40,321 --> 00:29:42,948
263612, 13, 14,
2637
2638577
263900:29:43,032 --> 00:29:46,452
264015, 16, 17, 18,
2641
2642578
264300:29:46,535 --> 00:29:50,039
264419, 20, 21, 22,
2645
2646579
264700:29:50,122 --> 00:29:54,835
264823, 24, 25, 26.
2649
2650580
265100:30:01,842 --> 00:30:04,553
2652When is the next attack?
2653
2654581
265500:30:04,637 --> 00:30:07,473
2656Who are the operatives
2657inside the U.S.?
2658
2659582
266000:30:11,894 --> 00:30:13,854
2661Anything in that bag
2662contain the real names
2663
2664583
266500:30:13,938 --> 00:30:16,148
2666of CIA officers,
2667assets or partners,
2668
2669584
267000:30:16,232 --> 00:30:18,609
2671or any information that would
2672violate the agreement between
2673
2674585
267500:30:18,692 --> 00:30:21,570
2676the Central Intelligence Agency
2677and the United States Senate?
2678
2679586
268000:30:21,654 --> 00:30:23,489
2681- All good.
2682- All right, good night.
2683
2684587
268500:30:23,572 --> 00:30:25,241
2686- Have a good night, Jay.
2687- Get home safe.
2688
2689588
269000:30:25,324 --> 00:30:27,409
2691Good night.
2692
2693589
269400:30:42,883 --> 00:30:45,052
2695Dan Jones?
2696
2697590
269800:30:48,264 --> 00:30:49,723
2699Do I know you?
2700
2701591
270200:30:49,807 --> 00:30:51,892
2703No, but I think I can help you.
2704
2705592
270600:30:51,976 --> 00:30:54,937
2707- Help-help me with what?
2708- The EIT program.
2709
2710593
271100:30:55,020 --> 00:30:57,106
2712That's what you're
2713looking into, isn't it?
2714
2715594
271600:30:59,775 --> 00:31:03,153
2717I need to know
2718I won't be named, anywhere.
2719
2720595
272100:31:03,237 --> 00:31:05,030
2722I'm still with the Agency.
2723
2724596
272500:31:05,114 --> 00:31:08,701
2726My even being here with you,
2727talking, is...
2728
2729597
273000:31:12,496 --> 00:31:13,872
2731What was your involvement?
2732
2733598
273400:31:13,956 --> 00:31:17,543
2735Office of Medical Services,
2736black sites.
2737
2738599
273900:31:17,626 --> 00:31:20,713
2740- So, you're a doctor?
2741- Physician's assistant.
2742
2743600
274400:31:20,796 --> 00:31:22,339
2745The American Medical Association
2746
2747601
274800:31:22,423 --> 00:31:23,882
2749won't allow doctors
2750to be involved.
2751
2752602
275300:31:23,966 --> 00:31:26,302
2754Do no harm.
2755
2756603
275700:31:26,385 --> 00:31:28,554
2758We're the next best thing.
2759
2760604
276100:31:28,637 --> 00:31:31,223
2762I was there
2763when the contractors arrived.
2764
2765605
276600:31:33,309 --> 00:31:35,686
2767They made tapes of the
2768Abu Zubaydah interrogations,
2769
2770606
277100:31:35,769 --> 00:31:37,187
2772but there's a 21-hour period
2773
2774607
277500:31:37,271 --> 00:31:39,231
2776where the transcripts
2777are missing... nothing.
2778
2779608
278000:31:39,315 --> 00:31:41,025
2781They were using the waterboard.
2782
2783609
278400:31:41,108 --> 00:31:43,027
2785Zubaydah lost consciousness.
2786
2787610
278800:31:43,110 --> 00:31:45,279
2789He was choking to death,
2790drowning.
2791
2792611
279300:31:45,362 --> 00:31:47,156
2794Not just thinking
2795he was drowning,
2796
2797612
279800:31:47,239 --> 00:31:48,991
2799he was actually
2800fucking drowning.
2801
2802613
280300:31:50,909 --> 00:31:52,661
2804I was told that the waterboard
2805
2806614
280700:31:52,745 --> 00:31:54,913
2808was only gonna be used
2809as a last resort.
2810
2811615
281200:31:54,997 --> 00:31:57,249
2813The contractors did
2814an assessment of the prisoner,
2815
2816616
281700:31:57,333 --> 00:31:59,460
2818- and they made a call...
2819- What kind of assessment?
2820
2821617
282200:31:59,543 --> 00:32:01,378
2823Th-They bounced him
2824off the walls a few times
2825
2826618
282700:32:01,462 --> 00:32:03,964
2828and then strapped him down and
2829poured water down his throat.
2830
2831619
283200:32:04,048 --> 00:32:05,966
2833We understand this is
2834a different approach,
2835
2836620
283700:32:06,050 --> 00:32:08,218
2838- but it's based on science.
2839- Science?
2840
2841621
284200:32:08,302 --> 00:32:09,928
2843Oh, come on. What science?
2844
2845622
284600:32:10,012 --> 00:32:12,157
2847- Have you seen their science?
2848- They believe the waterboard
2849
2850623
285100:32:12,181 --> 00:32:13,575
2852is working here
2853to create compliance.
2854
2855624
285600:32:13,599 --> 00:32:14,850
2857Well, of course they do.
2858
2859625
286000:32:14,933 --> 00:32:17,019
2861They're the ones who get
2862to decide when it's used.
2863
2864626
286500:32:17,102 --> 00:32:19,772
2866And they're also the ones who
2867get to decide if it's working.
2868
2869627
287000:32:19,855 --> 00:32:21,440
2871How is that even ethical?
2872
2873628
287400:32:21,523 --> 00:32:23,609
2875The people we're dealing with
2876weaponized daily life.
2877
2878629
287900:32:23,692 --> 00:32:26,153
2880Would you like to talk about
2881the ethics of that?
2882
2883630
288400:32:27,071 --> 00:32:28,405
2885We're here to make sure
2886
2887631
288800:32:28,489 --> 00:32:30,949
2889that nothing like that
2890ever happens again.
2891
2892632
289300:32:31,033 --> 00:32:32,451
2894They're training their people
2895
2896633
289700:32:32,534 --> 00:32:33,845
2898to resist
2899traditional interrogations
2900
2901634
290200:32:33,869 --> 00:32:35,149
2903in the back of a cave somewhere.
2904
2905635
290600:32:35,204 --> 00:32:37,456
2907So we need to change
2908our approach
2909
2910636
291100:32:37,539 --> 00:32:41,627
2912before another bomb goes off
2913or another building falls down.
2914
2915637
291600:32:41,710 --> 00:32:43,295
2917Okay, okay.
2918
2919638
292000:32:43,379 --> 00:32:47,132
2921What is gonna happen when one
2922of our soldiers gets captured
2923
2924639
292500:32:47,216 --> 00:32:49,885
2926and takes out a card with
2927the Geneva Convention on it
2928
2929640
293000:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,346
2931and wants to be treated
2932like a human being?
2933
2934641
293500:32:52,429 --> 00:32:54,973
2936You think his captors
2937aren't gonna remember
2938
2939642
294000:32:55,057 --> 00:32:56,975
2941the way these people
2942were treated here?
2943
2944643
294500:32:57,059 --> 00:33:00,062
2946- And for what?
2947- Do you have a kid at home?
2948
2949644
295000:33:02,898 --> 00:33:05,818
2951We're not gonna get beat again.
2952
2953645
295400:33:05,901 --> 00:33:07,152
2955Besides the chief of station,
2956
2957646
295800:33:07,236 --> 00:33:09,446
2959did you report your concerns
2960up the chain of command?
2961
2962647
296300:33:09,530 --> 00:33:12,199
2964We got a cable from
2965Director Rodriguez
2966
2967648
296800:33:12,282 --> 00:33:15,327
2969telling us to stop putting
2970our objections in writing.
2971
2972649
297300:33:15,411 --> 00:33:17,579
2974No paper trail.
2975
2976650
297700:33:17,663 --> 00:33:20,833
2978I told them if they were gonna
2979keep using the new techniques,
2980
2981651
298200:33:20,916 --> 00:33:22,751
2983I wanted out.
2984
2985652
298600:33:22,835 --> 00:33:25,504
2987I wasn't the only one.
2988Guys were choking up.
2989
2990653
299100:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,551
2992It's all in the e-mails.
2993
2994654
299500:33:34,930 --> 00:33:37,057
2996As early as November 2001,
2997
2998655
299900:33:37,141 --> 00:33:40,144
3000the CIA's legal team
3001circulated a memorandum
3002
3003656
300400:33:40,227 --> 00:33:41,770
3005describing a novel legal defense
3006
3007657
300800:33:41,854 --> 00:33:44,106
3009for their officers
3010who might engage in torture.
3011
3012658
301300:33:44,189 --> 00:33:46,734
3014Come on. They actually
3015called it torture?
3016
3017659
301800:33:46,817 --> 00:33:48,277
3019The CIA?
3020
3021660
302200:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,404
3023They just forgot
3024we have laws against that?
3025
3026661
302700:33:50,487 --> 00:33:52,781
3028Yes, sir.
3029Mitchell and Jessen renamed it
3030
3031662
303200:33:52,865 --> 00:33:54,742
3033"enhanced interrogation"
3034to help sell it,
3035
3036663
303700:33:54,825 --> 00:33:56,618
3038but the Agency was
3039talking about doing it
3040
3041664
304200:33:56,702 --> 00:33:58,328
3043before they even had
3044a single detainee.
3045
3046665
304700:33:59,621 --> 00:34:01,790
3048How did the CIA know
3049
3050666
305100:34:01,874 --> 00:34:03,667
3052they needed to torture prisoners
3053
3054667
305500:34:03,751 --> 00:34:05,878
3056before they even had one?
3057
3058668
305900:34:05,961 --> 00:34:07,796
3060That didn't come from
3061Cheney and Addington?
3062
3063669
306400:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,757
3065Seems like it happened
3066the other way around.
3067
3068670
306900:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,760
3070The CIA took it
3071to the Bush White House
3072
3073671
307400:34:12,843 --> 00:34:14,803
3075and John Yoo at
3076the Office of Legal Counsel.
3077
3078672
307900:34:14,887 --> 00:34:16,472
3080So, here's where we're at.
3081
3082673
308300:34:16,555 --> 00:34:19,808
3084The crime of torture,
3085as described in Section 2340,
3086
3087674
308800:34:19,892 --> 00:34:23,479
3089requires that the defendant...
3090In this case, an interrogator...
3091
3092675
309300:34:23,562 --> 00:34:26,690
3094Intends to cause
3095severe pain or suffering.
3096
3097676
309800:34:26,774 --> 00:34:29,693
3099But in this case, that's not
3100the interrogator's intent.
3101
3102677
310300:34:29,777 --> 00:34:32,946
3104Right. The intent is to gain
3105intel, save American lives.
3106
3107678
310800:34:33,030 --> 00:34:35,783
3109But, John,
3110what if the techniques
3111
3112679
311300:34:35,866 --> 00:34:37,534
3114the interrogator employs
3115do nonetheless
3116
3117680
311800:34:37,618 --> 00:34:39,161
3119cause pain and suffering?
3120
3121681
312200:34:39,244 --> 00:34:40,788
3123How do we deal with that?
3124
3125682
312600:34:40,871 --> 00:34:43,874
3127Well, the key phrase is
3128"severe pain or suffering."
3129
3130683
313100:34:43,957 --> 00:34:46,460
3132But 2340 never actually defines
3133the term "severe."
3134
3135684
313600:34:46,543 --> 00:34:49,630
3137We found this definition
3138in a Medicare statute.
3139
3140685
314100:34:51,423 --> 00:34:55,427
3142"Acute symptoms that place the
3143individual in serious jeopardy
3144
3145686
314600:34:55,511 --> 00:34:57,721
3147- "and are hard to endure."
3148- Meaning?
3149
3150687
315100:34:57,805 --> 00:35:00,015
3152To constitute torture,
3153
3154688
315500:35:00,098 --> 00:35:04,728
3156the damage done must rise
3157to the level of organ failure,
3158
3159689
316000:35:04,812 --> 00:35:09,024
3161impairment of bodily function,
3162or death.
3163
3164690
316500:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,568
3166So, basically, if someone dies,
3167we're doing it wrong?
3168
3169691
317000:35:11,652 --> 00:35:13,570
3171If the president
3172deemed it necessary
3173
3174692
317500:35:13,654 --> 00:35:16,532
3176to... crush the testicles
3177of a child
3178
3179693
318000:35:16,615 --> 00:35:18,617
3181to stop a plane
3182from crashing into a building,
3183
3184694
318500:35:18,700 --> 00:35:19,993
3186to save American lives,
3187
3188695
318900:35:20,077 --> 00:35:22,955
3190there is no law or treaty
3191that could stop him.
3192
3193696
319400:35:23,038 --> 00:35:25,749
3195I can make the same argument for
3196
3197697
319800:35:25,833 --> 00:35:29,044
3199gouging out a prisoner's eyes
3200or dousing him with acid.
3201
3202698
320300:35:30,128 --> 00:35:31,505
3204In our opinion,
3205
3206699
320700:35:31,588 --> 00:35:36,802
3208if it provides unique
3209intelligence that saves lives,
3210
3211700
321200:35:36,885 --> 00:35:39,012
3213and doesn't cause
3214any lasting harm,
3215
3216701
321700:35:39,096 --> 00:35:41,223
3218then it's legal
3219for the president to order it.
3220
3221702
322200:35:41,306 --> 00:35:43,433
3223What do we mean
3224when we say "unique"?
3225
3226703
322700:35:43,517 --> 00:35:46,144
3228Intelligence that couldn't have
3229been obtained any other way.
3230
3231704
323200:35:48,981 --> 00:35:51,358
3233And you've discussed all of this
3234
3235705
323600:35:51,441 --> 00:35:53,235
3237with the White House, I assume?
3238
3239706
324000:35:53,318 --> 00:35:54,695
3241And?
3242
3243707
324400:35:54,778 --> 00:35:57,614
3245Did they tell Bush what
3246they were gonna do to Zubaydah?
3247
3248708
324900:35:57,698 --> 00:35:59,634
3250- No.
3251- And National Security Advisor Rice...
3252
3253709
325400:35:59,658 --> 00:36:01,761
3255- Where was she in all this?
3256- National Security Advisor Rice
3257
3258710
325900:36:01,785 --> 00:36:04,204
3260was told about the program,
3261but she was also told
3262
3263711
326400:36:04,288 --> 00:36:06,665
3265the president
3266would not be briefed.
3267
3268712
326900:36:06,748 --> 00:36:08,792
3270Who tells the president's
3271national security advisor
3272
3273713
327400:36:08,876 --> 00:36:10,836
3275not to brief the president?
3276
3277714
327800:36:12,337 --> 00:36:14,756
3279Cheney and Addington.
3280
3281715
328200:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,260
3283According to CIA records, Bush
3284wasn't told about the program
3285
3286716
328700:36:18,343 --> 00:36:23,223
3288until April of 2006,
3289four years later.
3290
3291717
329200:36:27,561 --> 00:36:29,229
3293And the records we found state
3294
3295718
329600:36:29,313 --> 00:36:32,816
3297that when the president was
3298finally told about the program,
3299
3300719
330100:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,236
3302he expressed discomfort
3303with the image of a detainee
3304
3305720
330600:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,920
3307chained to the ceiling,
3308wearing a diaper,
3309
3310721
331100:36:37,988 --> 00:36:40,616
3312and forced to go
3313to the bathroom on himself.
3314
3315722
331600:36:40,699 --> 00:36:44,578
3317How long till you can
3318get this thing done, Dan?
3319
3320723
332100:36:44,661 --> 00:36:46,663
3322We've got to get this out.
3323
3324724
332500:36:52,085 --> 00:36:54,796
3326What about this guy, Gul Rahman?
3327
3328725
332900:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,341
3330Captured in Peshawar,
3331November 2002.
3332
3333726
333400:36:57,424 --> 00:37:00,594
3335He's not at Gitmo.
3336He's-he's not anywhere.
3337
3338727
333900:37:06,141 --> 00:37:07,893
3340Gul Rahman.
3341
3342728
334300:37:07,976 --> 00:37:09,728
3344Gul...
3345
3346729
334700:37:09,811 --> 00:37:12,606
3348No. They didn't tell
3349the committee about him.
3350
3351730
335200:37:12,689 --> 00:37:15,275
3353He's detainee number 24.
3354
3355731
335600:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,783
3357HQ says he knows
3358
3359732
336000:37:22,866 --> 00:37:25,786
3361operational detail
3362about Al Qaeda.
3363
3364733
336500:37:25,869 --> 00:37:27,496
3366The guy's an asshole.
3367
3368734
336900:37:27,579 --> 00:37:30,207
3370Threw his food at us, he
3371threatened to kill the guards.
3372
3373735
337400:37:30,290 --> 00:37:34,169
3375I've asked headquarters
3376to approve the application
3377
3378736
337900:37:34,252 --> 00:37:36,964
3380of the enhanced measures
3381for this detainee,
3382
3383737
338400:37:37,047 --> 00:37:38,715
3385and the request
3386has been approved.
3387
3388738
338900:37:38,799 --> 00:37:42,219
3390- Oh, great. We haven't had any luck loosening him up.
3391- Mm.
3392
3393739
339400:37:42,302 --> 00:37:43,845
3395Come on!
3396
3397740
339800:37:43,929 --> 00:37:45,448
3399Ran him up and down the hall,
3400
3401741
340200:37:45,472 --> 00:37:47,849
3403beat the crap out of him...
3404Nothing.
3405
3406742
340700:37:47,933 --> 00:37:52,229
3408Even been trying this thing
3409they call short shackling.
3410
3411743
341200:37:52,312 --> 00:37:54,564
3413Chain a dude's hands
3414to a bolt on the floor.
3415
3416744
341700:37:56,316 --> 00:37:58,777
3418Then you chain his feet
3419to the same bolt.
3420
3421745
342200:37:58,860 --> 00:38:01,571
3423Farmers call it hog-tying,
3424I think.
3425
3426746
342700:38:01,655 --> 00:38:04,116
3428He finally admitted
3429to something.
3430
3431747
343200:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,450
3433What was that?
3434
3435748
343600:38:05,534 --> 00:38:09,621
3437Gul Rahman.
3438
3439749
344000:38:11,915 --> 00:38:17,337
3441What you want to do first is
3442take away his sense of control.
3443
3444750
344500:38:17,421 --> 00:38:19,840
3446If you like, I could spend
3447some time showing you
3448
3449751
345000:38:19,923 --> 00:38:23,010
3451how to achieve this
3452with the enhanced techniques.
3453
3454752
345500:38:24,594 --> 00:38:25,887
3456Great.
3457
3458753
345900:38:25,971 --> 00:38:29,141
3460We got another 30 guys here
3461to deal with.
3462
3463754
346400:38:30,934 --> 00:38:34,604
3465I heard you told the doctor
3466you were cold.
3467
3468755
346900:38:37,858 --> 00:38:39,234
3470<i>♪ The beautiful people ♪</i>
3471
3472756
347300:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,194
3474- ♪</i> The beautiful people ♪</i>
3475- ♪</i> Ah ♪</i>
3476
3477757
347800:38:41,278 --> 00:38:42,779
3479<i>♪ The beautiful people ♪</i>
3480
3481758
348200:38:42,863 --> 00:38:44,343
3483- ♪</i> The beautiful people ♪</i>
3484- ♪</i> Ah... ♪</i>
3485
3486759
348700:38:53,081 --> 00:38:55,417
3488Senator, do you have
3489a few minutes this morning?
3490
3491760
349200:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,295
3493Absolutely. Come on in, Dan.
3494
3495761
349600:38:58,378 --> 00:39:00,964
3497The senator is
3498needed on the floor for a vote.
3499
3500762
350100:39:01,048 --> 00:39:02,883
3502Uh, give her five minutes.
3503
3504763
350500:39:04,551 --> 00:39:06,928
3506Did you sleep last night, Dan?
3507
3508764
350900:39:10,057 --> 00:39:12,309
3510Uh, Senator, a prisoner died.
3511
3512765
351300:39:12,392 --> 00:39:14,078
3514<i>♪ There's no time ♪</i>
3515
3516766
351700:39:14,102 --> 00:39:16,772
3518<i>♪ To discriminate,
3519hate every motherfucker ♪</i>
3520
3521767
352200:39:16,855 --> 00:39:18,065
3523<i>♪ That's in your... ♪</i>
3524
3525768
352600:39:18,148 --> 00:39:20,609
3527Gul Rahman.
3528
3529769
353000:39:20,692 --> 00:39:23,070
3531They thought he was maybe
3532working for an Afghan warlord
3533
3534770
353500:39:23,153 --> 00:39:24,988
3536or that he knew something
3537about an attack.
3538
3539771
354000:39:25,072 --> 00:39:26,865
3541- Did he?
3542- No, he died before they found out
3543
3544772
354500:39:26,948 --> 00:39:28,825
3546anything besides his name.
3547
3548773
354900:39:28,909 --> 00:39:30,410
3550Dumped cold water on him
3551one night
3552
3553774
355400:39:30,494 --> 00:39:32,412
3555and found him dead in his cell
3556in the morning.
3557
3558775
355900:39:32,496 --> 00:39:33,997
3560The autopsy said hypothermia.
3561
3562776
356300:39:34,081 --> 00:39:37,250
3564- Where did you get this from?
3565- Inspector general's report.
3566
3567777
356800:39:37,334 --> 00:39:41,713
3569CIA did their own investigation
3570into the death of Gul Rahman.
3571
3572778
357300:39:43,882 --> 00:39:45,592
3574The officer in charge
3575was recommended
3576
3577779
357800:39:45,675 --> 00:39:47,260
3579for a performance bonus.
3580
3581780
358200:39:47,344 --> 00:39:48,595
3583They promoted him.
3584
3585781
358600:39:48,678 --> 00:39:50,680
3587He's still out there
3588in the field.
3589
3590782
359100:39:55,102 --> 00:39:58,814
3592Well, are you accusing the CIA
3593of murder, Dan?
3594
3595783
359600:40:00,690 --> 00:40:03,026
3597Because that sounds like
3598where this is going.
3599
3600784
360100:40:03,110 --> 00:40:04,903
3602We have proof
3603the deputy director
3604
3605785
360600:40:04,986 --> 00:40:08,031
3607coached the officer in charge
3608how to cover up what happened,
3609
3610786
361100:40:08,115 --> 00:40:10,534
3612told him to be careful
3613what he put in writing.
3614
3615787
361600:40:12,119 --> 00:40:13,870
3617So, why would they need
3618to cover it up
3619
3620788
362100:40:13,954 --> 00:40:15,994
3622if they were following
3623standard operating procedure?
3624
3625789
362600:40:16,998 --> 00:40:18,542
3627Why didn't they tell
3628the committee?
3629
3630790
363100:40:18,625 --> 00:40:20,877
3632Why didn't they tell you?
3633
3634791
363500:40:25,048 --> 00:40:27,551
3636I'm gonna need to review
3637all this personally.
3638
3639792
364000:40:29,136 --> 00:40:30,554
3641It's very disconcerting.
3642
3643793
364400:40:39,062 --> 00:40:41,606
3645"Disconcerting"?
3646"Very disconcerting"?
3647
3648794
364900:40:41,690 --> 00:40:43,358
3650Dan, you need to be
3651careful here.
3652
3653795
365400:40:43,441 --> 00:40:45,861
3655You're getting
3656emotionally involved.
3657
3658796
365900:40:45,944 --> 00:40:48,989
3660They fucking killed a guy, and
3661nobody was held accountable?
3662
3663797
366400:40:50,574 --> 00:40:52,325
3665W-We don't know
3666he was a terrorist.
3667
3668798
366900:40:52,409 --> 00:40:55,287
3670- We barely even know his name.
3671- I understand.
3672
3673799
367400:40:55,370 --> 00:40:57,164
3675And what you need
3676to understand is that
3677
3678800
367900:40:57,247 --> 00:41:00,167
3680her name is going
3681on this report, not yours.
3682
3683801
368400:41:00,250 --> 00:41:02,103
3685Senate staff doesn't
3686have to run for reelection,
3687
3688802
368900:41:02,127 --> 00:41:03,545
3690but she does.
3691
3692803
369300:41:03,628 --> 00:41:06,882
3694Their legal argument said EITs
3695wouldn't cause lasting harm.
3696
3697804
369800:41:06,965 --> 00:41:09,718
3699So how long is Gul Rahman
3700gonna be dead for?
3701
3702805
370300:41:19,269 --> 00:41:21,521
3704Are you guys seeing
3705this Panetta review?
3706
3707806
370800:41:21,605 --> 00:41:23,190
3709It just showed up.
3710
3711807
371200:41:25,066 --> 00:41:26,443
3713I don't understand.
3714
3715808
371600:41:26,526 --> 00:41:29,362
3717Looks like the CIA did
3718their own investigation.
3719
3720809
372100:41:29,446 --> 00:41:32,032
3722It confirms everything
3723we've been finding.
3724
3725810
372600:41:37,287 --> 00:41:41,333
3727So, what are you
3728gonna do with it?
3729
3730811
373100:41:41,416 --> 00:41:43,376
3732Hopefully, nothing.
3733
3734812
373500:41:43,460 --> 00:41:45,670
3736Special Prosecutor Durham,
3737please?
3738
3739813
374000:41:45,754 --> 00:41:48,423
3741I've already left
3742several messages.
3743
3744814
374500:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,634
3746It's Dan Jones again from
3747the Intelligence Committee.
3748
3749815
375000:41:50,717 --> 00:41:51,968
3751How are you?
3752
3753816
375400:41:52,052 --> 00:41:54,346
3755Good. I just wanted
3756to check in again to see
3757
3758817
375900:41:54,429 --> 00:41:56,014
3760if the special prosecutor
3761is available
3762
3763818
376400:41:56,097 --> 00:41:57,599
3765to meet on the CIA probe.
3766
3767819
376800:41:59,059 --> 00:42:01,937
3769It can be off the record.
3770I just want to compare notes.
3771
3772820
377300:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,316
3774Yeah, same number. Thank you.
3775
3776821
377700:42:10,445 --> 00:42:12,215
3778You know, we got to think back
3779
3780822
378100:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,365
3782to the period after 9/11.
3783
3784823
378500:42:13,448 --> 00:42:14,908
3786We didn't even know who hit us.
3787
3788824
378900:42:14,991 --> 00:42:16,344
3790We didn't know that
3791Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was
3792
3793825
379400:42:16,368 --> 00:42:17,661
3795the mastermind of 9/11
3796
3797826
379800:42:17,744 --> 00:42:19,344
3799or the operational commander
3800of Al Qaeda.
3801
3802827
380300:42:19,412 --> 00:42:20,932
3804And then we started rounding up
3805these terrorists.
3806
3807828
380800:42:20,956 --> 00:42:22,207
3809We caught Abu Zubaydah.
3810
3811829
381200:42:22,290 --> 00:42:24,292
3813We caught, uh,
3814Ramzi bin al-Shibh and KSM.
3815
3816830
381700:42:24,376 --> 00:42:26,795
3818And these guys provided us
3819information under questioning
3820
3821831
382200:42:26,878 --> 00:42:30,257
3823by the CIA that stopped
3824a number of terrorist attacks.
3825
3826832
382700:42:30,340 --> 00:42:31,800
3828They were pl-planning to blow up
3829
3830833
383100:42:31,883 --> 00:42:33,443
3832the U.S. consulate
3833in Karachi, Pakistan.
3834
3835834
383600:42:33,468 --> 00:42:35,071
3837- Shit.
3838- They were planning to blow up
3839
3840835
384100:42:35,095 --> 00:42:36,295
3842our Marine camp in Djibouti...
3843
3844836
384500:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,562
3846- Good morning.
3847- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was
3848
3849837
385000:42:44,646 --> 00:42:49,401
3851indicted in New York for trying
3852to blow up airplanes in 1995.
3853
3854838
385500:42:49,484 --> 00:42:50,902
3856The CIA already knew about him.
3857
3858839
385900:42:50,986 --> 00:42:52,654
3860They knew he was close
3861to bin Laden.
3862
3863840
386400:42:52,737 --> 00:42:54,340
3865They knew about him before
3866Zubaydah ever identified him.
3867
3868841
386900:42:54,364 --> 00:42:55,740
3870How long have you been here?
3871
3872842
387300:42:55,824 --> 00:42:57,664
3874Also, according to this cable...
3875A few hours...
3876
3877843
387800:42:57,742 --> 00:42:59,244
3879A CIA officer in Islamabad
3880
3881844
388200:42:59,327 --> 00:43:01,204
3883began working someone
3884they call Asset X.
3885
3886845
388700:43:01,288 --> 00:43:04,874
3888X claimed to have
3889direct access to KSM,
3890
3891846
389200:43:04,958 --> 00:43:07,294
3893but was eventually turned away
3894when he asked for money.
3895
3896847
389700:43:08,378 --> 00:43:10,755
3898- How much money?
3899- Few thousand bucks.
3900
3901848
390200:43:10,839 --> 00:43:13,133
3903Two years later, after
3904they've been putting him off,
3905
3906849
390700:43:13,216 --> 00:43:15,510
3908putting him off, putting him
3909off, they finally pay him,
3910
3911850
391200:43:15,593 --> 00:43:17,095
3913and almost immediately
3914he sends a text
3915
3916851
391700:43:17,178 --> 00:43:19,639
3918"I'm with KSM."
3919
3920852
392100:43:19,723 --> 00:43:22,225
3922It had nothing to do
3923with the waterboard.
3924
3925853
392600:43:22,309 --> 00:43:24,894
3927- Good morning.
3928- Good morning.
3929
3930854
393100:43:41,161 --> 00:43:43,830
3932One, two, three,
3933
3934855
393500:43:43,913 --> 00:43:46,082
3936four, five, six...
3937
3938856
393900:43:46,166 --> 00:43:48,626
3940Who are you
3941working with in the U.S.?
3942
3943857
394400:43:48,710 --> 00:43:51,838
3945Seven, eight, nine, 10, 11...
3946
3947858
394800:43:51,921 --> 00:43:53,882
3949We have your kids!
3950
3951859
395200:43:53,965 --> 00:43:56,551
3953- 12, 13, 14, 15,
3954- ♪</i> Yankee Doodle, keep it up ♪</i>
3955
3956860
395700:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,511
3958- 16, 17...
3959- ♪</i> Yankee Doodle dandy... ♪</i>
3960
3961861
396200:43:58,595 --> 00:44:01,264
3963It will stop if you talk!
3964
3965862
396600:44:01,348 --> 00:44:04,559
3967<i>♪ And with the girls be handy,
3968Yankee Doodle... ♪</i>
3969
3970863
397100:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,770
3972Where is the next attack?
3973
3974864
397500:44:06,853 --> 00:44:08,164
3976Canary Wharf! Canary Wharf!
3977
3978865
397900:44:08,188 --> 00:44:09,939
3980<i>♪ Stuck a feather in ♪</i>
3981
3982866
398300:44:10,023 --> 00:44:11,608
3984<i>♪ His hat and called it... ♪</i>
3985
3986867
398700:44:11,691 --> 00:44:12,918
3988Okay, here's the problem.
3989
3990868
399100:44:12,942 --> 00:44:14,527
3992We already know about
3993
3994869
399500:44:14,611 --> 00:44:16,738
3996the Heathrow
3997and Canary Wharf plots.
3998
3999870
400000:44:16,821 --> 00:44:19,407
4001He knows that.
4002It's in his goddamn notebook.
4003
4004871
400500:44:19,491 --> 00:44:21,701
4006We asked about plots
4007in the U.S., not London.
4008
4009872
401000:44:21,785 --> 00:44:24,120
4011- He's fucking with you again.
4012- To be honest,
4013
4014873
401500:44:24,204 --> 00:44:27,165
4016I've never met a resistor
4017like this guy.
4018
4019874
402000:44:27,248 --> 00:44:28,750
4021He's a super resistor.
4022
4023875
402400:44:28,833 --> 00:44:30,502
4025He lied to you to make you stop.
4026
4027876
402800:44:30,585 --> 00:44:32,730
4029He just tells us shit
4030he knows we already have.
4031
4032877
403300:44:32,754 --> 00:44:34,089
4034That's all he does.
4035
4036878
403700:44:34,172 --> 00:44:36,716
4038Then that's what we're learning.
4039
4040879
404100:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,387
4042That's what the waterboard
4043is giving us.
4044
4045880
404600:44:41,971 --> 00:44:44,724
4047We now know he's lying.
4048
4049881
405000:44:44,808 --> 00:44:46,851
4051I thought it was meant
4052to give us the truth.
4053
4054882
405500:44:46,935 --> 00:44:50,855
4056And... the truth is he's lying.
4057
4058883
405900:44:58,196 --> 00:45:01,199
4060Headquarters says we go again.
4061
4062884
406300:45:02,492 --> 00:45:04,160
4064The chief of interrogations
4065
4066885
406700:45:04,244 --> 00:45:06,579
4068ordered the rectal rehydration
4069of KSM,
4070
4071886
407200:45:06,663 --> 00:45:08,415
4073not for health reasons,
4074
4075887
407600:45:08,498 --> 00:45:10,792
4077but as a way of showing total
4078control over the detainee.
4079
4080888
408100:45:10,875 --> 00:45:13,753
4082Even though
4083rectal rehydration was never
4084
4085889
408600:45:13,837 --> 00:45:15,731
4087an approved technique.
4088
4089890
409000:45:15,755 --> 00:45:17,650
4091Total control isn't
4092chaining the guy to the wall,
4093
4094891
409500:45:17,674 --> 00:45:19,568
4096keeping him awake for days,
4097and threatening his family?
4098
4099892
410000:45:19,592 --> 00:45:21,219
4101You need to shove a tube
4102up his ass?
4103
4104893
410500:45:21,302 --> 00:45:22,905
4106This right here
4107
4108894
410900:45:22,929 --> 00:45:24,472
4110is the rest of your life
4111
4112895
411300:45:24,556 --> 00:45:26,599
4114unless you start telling the truth.
4115
4116896
411700:45:26,683 --> 00:45:28,244
4118Then they went back
4119to waterboarding him.
4120
4121897
412200:45:28,268 --> 00:45:29,912
4123"When a medical officer
4124pressed on KSM's..."
4125
4126898
412700:45:29,936 --> 00:45:31,563
4128- Wait. Where are you?
4129- Next page.
4130
4131899
413200:45:31,646 --> 00:45:33,648
4133"When a medical officer
4134pressed on KSM's abdomen,
4135
4136900
413700:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,692
4138he expressed water
4139from his mouth and nose."
4140
4141901
414200:45:35,775 --> 00:45:37,694
4143So, he was swallowing
4144all the water.
4145
4146902
414700:45:37,777 --> 00:45:39,028
4148"On March 17th",
4149
4150903
415100:45:39,112 --> 00:45:40,864
4152the waterboard technique
4153began to evolve."
4154
4155904
415600:45:43,324 --> 00:45:45,243
4157Interrogators used their hands
4158to maintain
4159
4160905
416100:45:45,326 --> 00:45:48,246
4162a pool of water
4163over KSM's nose and mouth.
4164
4165906
416600:45:58,715 --> 00:46:02,010
4167Who are
4168the operatives inside the U.S.?
4169
4170907
417100:46:02,093 --> 00:46:04,762
4172Issa... Issa...
4173
4174908
417500:46:04,846 --> 00:46:06,806
4176Issa al-Britani.
4177
4178909
417900:46:08,391 --> 00:46:09,851
4180Where is the next attack?
4181
4182910
418300:46:09,934 --> 00:46:11,686
4184M-Montana.
4185
4186911
418700:46:13,188 --> 00:46:15,482
4188We got something.
4189
4190912
419100:46:17,734 --> 00:46:20,862
4192KSM told interrogators he sent
4193Abu Issa al-Britani to the U.S.
4194
4195913
419600:46:20,945 --> 00:46:24,115
4197to recruit African American
4198Muslims in Montana
4199
4200914
420100:46:24,199 --> 00:46:26,117
4202to blow up gas stations
4203and start forest fires.
4204
4205915
420600:46:26,201 --> 00:46:27,202
4207Montana?
4208
4209916
421000:46:27,285 --> 00:46:29,412
4211Muslims in Montana?
4212
4213917
421400:46:29,496 --> 00:46:31,831
4215The FBI had serious doubts
4216as well.
4217
4218918
421900:46:31,915 --> 00:46:34,334
4220Later, KSM admitted
4221he just told them
4222
4223919
422400:46:34,417 --> 00:46:36,794
4225what they wanted to hear
4226to make it stop.
4227
4228920
422900:46:36,878 --> 00:46:40,632
4230So, did they get anything
4231actionable from him at all?
4232
4233921
423400:46:40,715 --> 00:46:42,175
4235Anything that saved lives?
4236
4237922
423800:46:42,258 --> 00:46:45,595
4239They waterboarded him
4240183 times, and then concluded
4241
4242923
424300:46:45,678 --> 00:46:47,764
4244KSM may never be
4245forthcoming or honest.
4246
4247924
424800:46:47,847 --> 00:46:49,599
4249Everything they got from him
4250
4251925
425200:46:49,682 --> 00:46:52,769
4253was either a lie
4254or something they already had.
4255
4256926
425700:46:52,852 --> 00:46:55,522
4258Well, okay,
4259so my first question is:
4260
4261927
426200:46:55,605 --> 00:46:59,859
4263If it works, why do you need
4264to do it 183 times?
4265
4266928
426700:47:00,944 --> 00:47:02,320
4268Maybe when the report comes out,
4269
4270929
427100:47:02,403 --> 00:47:04,030
4272people will finally see that.
4273
4274930
427500:47:04,113 --> 00:47:07,367
4276Well, let's worry about getting
4277it right, getting it done.
4278
4279931
428000:47:07,450 --> 00:47:09,827
4281We can worry about
4282changing the world later.
4283
4284932
428500:47:24,467 --> 00:47:26,261
4286Sorry I'm late.
4287
4288933
428900:47:26,344 --> 00:47:28,388
4290It's okay.
4291
4292934
429300:47:28,471 --> 00:47:31,099
4294- Barely slept.
4295- Want some coffee?
4296
4297935
429800:47:34,602 --> 00:47:36,521
4299Hey, can I ask you something?
4300
4301936
430200:47:36,604 --> 00:47:38,856
4303You ever, uh, have dreams,
4304
4305937
430600:47:38,940 --> 00:47:41,568
4307you know, about the stuff
4308that's in the report?
4309
4310938
431100:47:43,069 --> 00:47:45,905
4312Yeah. I have one
4313where I'm drowning.
4314
4315939
431600:47:45,989 --> 00:47:48,366
4317I can't move my arms or legs.
4318I can't breathe.
4319
4320940
432100:47:48,449 --> 00:47:50,743
4322- That wakes me up.
4323- Last night I dreamt
4324
4325941
432600:47:50,827 --> 00:47:53,705
4327I was trapped in
4328one of those confinement boxes.
4329
4330942
433100:47:53,788 --> 00:47:55,540
4332They just left me there.
4333
4334943
433500:47:55,623 --> 00:47:58,167
4336Daniel Jones, right?
4337
4338944
433900:47:58,251 --> 00:48:00,628
4340- Do I know you?
4341- I just wanted to tell you to your face
4342
4343945
434400:48:00,712 --> 00:48:02,755
4345that I think you
4346and that report are garbage.
4347
4348946
434900:48:02,839 --> 00:48:04,507
4350- Excuse me...
4351- You weren't there,
4352
4353947
435400:48:04,591 --> 00:48:06,467
4355so you don't know
4356what worked and what didn't
4357
4358948
435900:48:06,551 --> 00:48:07,719
4360or what we were up against.
4361
4362949
436300:48:07,802 --> 00:48:09,512
4364You may not realize,
4365but we were trying
4366
4367950
436800:48:09,596 --> 00:48:11,764
4369to protect this country
4370from people who want to destroy
4371
4372951
437300:48:11,848 --> 00:48:13,141
4374everything we believe in.
4375
4376952
437700:48:13,224 --> 00:48:15,059
4378You may not realize it,
4379
4380953
438100:48:15,143 --> 00:48:17,437
4382but we're trying to do
4383the exact same thing.
4384
4385954
438600:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,940
4387Your bullshit report will
4388never see the light of day.
4389
4390955
439100:48:24,986 --> 00:48:27,113
4392Special Prosecutor
4393Durham, please.
4394
4395956
439600:48:27,196 --> 00:48:29,282
4397It's Dan Jones, calling again
4398
4399957
440000:48:29,365 --> 00:48:32,285
4401about the Justice Department
4402investigation of the CIA.
4403
4404958
440500:48:32,368 --> 00:48:34,078
4406We really need to meet.
4407
4408959
440900:48:35,663 --> 00:48:37,123
4410You have?
4411
4412960
441300:48:38,708 --> 00:48:40,960
4414Okay, what are their findings?
4415
4416961
441700:48:51,304 --> 00:48:53,139
4418Fuck!
4419
4420962
442100:48:53,222 --> 00:48:55,016
4422Nothing?
4423
4424963
442500:48:55,099 --> 00:48:56,601
4426No indictments at all?
4427
4428964
442900:48:56,684 --> 00:48:58,770
4430No charges against
4431Jose Rodriguez or Gina Haspel
4432
4433965
443400:48:58,853 --> 00:49:00,229
4435for destroying the tapes.
4436
4437966
443800:49:00,313 --> 00:49:02,523
4439Nothing against the CIA
4440for torturing people.
4441
4442967
444300:49:02,607 --> 00:49:04,168
4444Nothing against
4445Jim Pavitt and the others
4446
4447968
444800:49:04,192 --> 00:49:06,402
4449for providing misinformation,
4450nothing at all.
4451
4452969
445300:49:06,486 --> 00:49:08,655
4454DOJ says they don't have
4455enough admissible evidence
4456
4457970
445800:49:08,738 --> 00:49:10,698
4459to convict anyone.
4460
4461971
446200:49:10,782 --> 00:49:12,801
4463You go after the contractors,
4464and they're indemnified.
4465
4466972
446700:49:12,825 --> 00:49:14,261
4468You go after
4469the head of Counterterrorism,
4470
4471973
447200:49:14,285 --> 00:49:15,995
4473and he'd just say
4474he was following orders
4475
4476974
447700:49:16,079 --> 00:49:17,205
4478from the CIA director.
4479
4480975
448100:49:17,288 --> 00:49:18,641
4482You go after the director,
4483and he...
4484
4485976
448600:49:18,665 --> 00:49:20,208
4487Well, he would just cite
4488the president.
4489
4490977
449100:49:20,291 --> 00:49:21,852
4492Then the White House
4493would claim national security.
4494
4495978
449600:49:21,876 --> 00:49:24,796
4497DOJ at least share
4498what they found?
4499
4500979
450100:49:24,879 --> 00:49:25,922
4502No.
4503
4504980
450500:49:28,007 --> 00:49:30,551
4506They won't turn anything over.
4507
4508981
450900:49:32,220 --> 00:49:33,971
4510We're the only ones
4511still looking at this.
4512
4513982
451400:49:52,073 --> 00:49:53,908
4515Dan?
4516
4517983
451800:49:55,493 --> 00:49:56,494
4519Dan?
4520
4521984
452200:49:56,577 --> 00:49:58,454
4523You know a CIA officer
4524
4525985
452600:49:58,538 --> 00:50:00,748
4527testified before Congress
4528in 1978 regarding the use of
4529
4530986
453100:50:00,832 --> 00:50:03,960
4532coercive physical interrogation
4533techniques in Latin America?
4534
4535987
453600:50:04,043 --> 00:50:05,837
4537And the officer said
4538the techniques result
4539
4540988
454100:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,214
4542in false answers and have
4543proven to be ineffective.
4544
4545989
454600:50:08,297 --> 00:50:09,817
4547And before Latin America,
4548they did it in Vietnam.
4549
4550990
455100:50:09,841 --> 00:50:10,901
4552They knew it didn't work...
4553
4554991
455500:50:10,925 --> 00:50:12,236
4556Dan, I need
4557to tell you something.
4558
4559992
456000:50:12,260 --> 00:50:13,720
4561And they did it again.
4562
4563993
456400:50:13,803 --> 00:50:14,863
4565Don't even listen
4566to their own fucking people.
4567
4568994
456900:50:14,887 --> 00:50:16,305
4570I'm leaving the study.
4571
4572995
457300:50:16,389 --> 00:50:20,351
4574I... I got a job offer,
4575and I can't turn it down.
4576
4577996
457800:50:20,435 --> 00:50:23,896
4579I'm sorry, but don't you see
4580what this is doing to you?
4581
4582997
458300:50:23,980 --> 00:50:25,148
4584To all of us?
4585
4586998
458700:50:25,231 --> 00:50:26,941
4588I mean, my kids
4589are at home growing up,
4590
4591999
459200:50:27,024 --> 00:50:30,153
4593and I'm down here reading about
4594how they put a power drill
4595
45961000
459700:50:30,236 --> 00:50:31,922
4598against one guy's head
4599and-and how they pulled
4600
46011001
460200:50:31,946 --> 00:50:33,489
4603another guy's arms
4604out of his sockets.
4605
46061002
460700:50:33,573 --> 00:50:35,467
4608And I just... this is
4609how I'm spending my Sundays.
4610
46111003
461200:50:35,491 --> 00:50:37,034
4613And my Saturdays.
4614
46151004
461600:50:37,118 --> 00:50:39,746
4617This is how I spend every day.
4618
46191005
462000:50:39,829 --> 00:50:42,999
4621I just... I-I-I-I can't.
4622
46231006
462400:50:43,082 --> 00:50:47,128
4625Um... I'm gonna leave
4626after Thanksgiving.
4627
46281007
462900:50:53,217 --> 00:50:55,178
4630Okay. I understand.
4631
46321008
463300:50:55,261 --> 00:50:56,804
4634Okay.
4635
46361009
463700:50:56,888 --> 00:50:58,264
4638Thanksgiving.
4639
46401010
464100:50:58,347 --> 00:51:01,517
4642That gives us...
4643that gives us a couple months.
4644
46451011
464600:51:01,601 --> 00:51:04,937
4647Dan, it's November.
4648
46491012
465000:51:05,021 --> 00:51:07,774
4651Thanksgiving is next week.
4652
46531013
465400:51:09,692 --> 00:51:12,862
4655How many pages have
4656we written so far? Thousands?
4657
46581014
465900:51:12,945 --> 00:51:16,324
4660We don't even know
4661if this is ever gonna come out.
4662
46631015
466400:51:16,407 --> 00:51:18,826
4665The tapes investigation
4666never did.
4667
46681016
466900:51:18,910 --> 00:51:20,411
4670It's still classified.
4671
46721017
467300:51:22,121 --> 00:51:24,499
4674The CIA knew
4675this shit didn't work in 1978,
4676
46771018
467800:51:24,582 --> 00:51:27,001
4679and it didn't stop them
4680from doing it again.
4681
46821019
468300:51:28,586 --> 00:51:30,922
4684Look, we've been down here
4685for two years, Dan,
4686
46871020
468800:51:31,005 --> 00:51:33,633
4689in this basement.
4690
46911021
469200:51:33,716 --> 00:51:36,511
4693Nobody's waiting for us
4694to come out.
4695
46961022
469700:52:14,507 --> 00:52:16,759
4698Shocking photos that
4699apparently show U.S. troops
4700
47011023
470200:52:16,843 --> 00:52:19,804
4703abusing detainees in a prison
4704outside Baghdad.
4705
47061024
470700:52:19,887 --> 00:52:21,347
4708We have a problem.
4709
47101025
471100:52:21,430 --> 00:52:23,891
4712Both myself and the president
4713have gone on record
4714
47151026
471600:52:23,975 --> 00:52:26,310
4717saying we do not torture people.
4718
47191027
472000:52:26,394 --> 00:52:29,355
4721He just made a statement
4722for the U.N.'s goddamn
4723
47241028
472500:52:29,438 --> 00:52:32,483
4726Day in Support
4727of Victims of Torture.
4728
47291029
473000:52:32,567 --> 00:52:34,777
4731Wh-What-what did he say?
4732
47331030
473400:52:37,321 --> 00:52:39,615
4735"The United States
4736does not torture."
4737
47381031
473900:52:39,699 --> 00:52:42,994
4740It's against our laws
4741and it's against our values.
4742
47431032
474400:52:43,077 --> 00:52:48,416
4745"I have not authorized it,
4746and I will not authorize it."
4747
47481033
474900:52:50,334 --> 00:52:53,379
4750I'm not sure where
4751that leaves either of us.
4752
47531034
475400:52:53,462 --> 00:52:55,506
4755So, here's the deal.
4756
47571035
475800:52:55,590 --> 00:52:59,093
4759Some new lawyer over at OLC,
4760Jack Goldsmith,
4761
47621036
476300:52:59,176 --> 00:53:01,679
4764is saying there are issues
4765with the John Yoo memo.
4766
47671037
476800:53:01,762 --> 00:53:03,139
4769Legal issues?
4770
47711038
477200:53:03,222 --> 00:53:05,474
4773Yeah, and there's
4774the inspector general's report:
4775
47761039
477700:53:05,558 --> 00:53:08,185
4778allegations of
4779war crimes and torture.
4780
47811040
478200:53:08,269 --> 00:53:11,564
4783Throws the whole
4784program under the goddamn bus.
4785
47861041
478700:53:11,647 --> 00:53:13,274
4788What's it say?
4789
47901042
479100:53:13,357 --> 00:53:17,069
4792"The inspector general finds
4793that EITs are inconsistent"
4794
47951043
479600:53:17,153 --> 00:53:18,613
4797with the public policy positions
4798
47991044
480000:53:18,696 --> 00:53:22,116
4801"the United States has taken
4802regarding human rights,"
4803
48041045
480500:53:22,199 --> 00:53:23,993
4806blah, blah, blah.
4807
48081046
480900:53:24,076 --> 00:53:26,078
4810"The program, as implemented,
4811
48121047
481300:53:26,162 --> 00:53:30,958
4814"diverges sharply from how the
4815CIA has described," blah, blah.
4816
48171048
481800:53:31,042 --> 00:53:33,878
4819"There is also little evidence
4820that the waterboard
4821
48221049
482300:53:33,961 --> 00:53:36,756
4824is effective
4825in gaining information."
4826
48271050
482800:53:36,839 --> 00:53:39,550
4829Look, guys, Director Tenet
4830wants to pause the program.
4831
48321051
483300:53:41,636 --> 00:53:44,013
4834You know, I retired
4835from the Air Force
4836
48371052
483800:53:44,096 --> 00:53:47,558
4839just a couple of months
4840before 9/11.
4841
48421053
484300:53:47,642 --> 00:53:49,310
484422 years.
4845
48461054
484700:53:50,895 --> 00:53:53,522
4848And then I wake up that morning,
4849
48501055
485100:53:53,606 --> 00:53:59,946
4852and I turn on the news and...
4853see what's happening.
4854
48551056
485600:54:01,572 --> 00:54:06,577
4857A lot of people just went back
4858to their coffee and cornflakes.
4859
48601057
486100:54:06,661 --> 00:54:10,831
4862But Jim wanted to do something
4863
48641058
486500:54:10,915 --> 00:54:13,501
4866to keep people safe.
4867
48681059
486900:54:13,584 --> 00:54:16,671
4870We are going right back to the
4871National Security Council today
4872
48731060
487400:54:16,754 --> 00:54:18,714
4875and asking to have
4876the program recertified,
4877
48781061
487900:54:18,798 --> 00:54:20,508
4880as many techniques as possible.
4881
48821062
488300:54:20,591 --> 00:54:22,885
4884We have a plan.
4885
48861063
488700:54:22,969 --> 00:54:24,971
4888Thank you. Thank you.
4889
48901064
489100:54:44,865 --> 00:54:46,158
4892Jones.
4893
48941065
489500:54:47,243 --> 00:54:48,411
4896Yes, Senator.
4897
48981066
489900:54:58,004 --> 00:54:59,398
4900On the Sunday talk shows,
4901
49021067
490300:54:59,422 --> 00:55:01,007
4904former Defense Secretary
4905Donald Rumsfeld
4906
49071068
490800:55:01,090 --> 00:55:03,134
4909and former Vice President
4910Dick Cheney
4911
49121069
491300:55:03,217 --> 00:55:06,804
4914argued enhanced interrogation
4915techniques played a major role
4916
49171070
491800:55:06,887 --> 00:55:09,265
4919in leading up to the raid
4920on bin Laden's compound.
4921
49221071
492300:55:09,348 --> 00:55:11,308
4924No, that's not right.
4925That's not what happened.
4926
49271072
492800:55:11,392 --> 00:55:13,286
4929- It was not torture.
4930- I'll look into it.
4931
49321073
493300:55:13,310 --> 00:55:15,563
4934And, uh, I would strongly
4935recommend that we continue it.
4936
49371074
493800:55:15,646 --> 00:55:17,366
4939At the heart of the controversy
4940
49411075
494200:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,859
4943is a process called
4944waterboarding.
4945
49461076
494700:55:21,944 --> 00:55:24,238
4948Okay, here's what
4949the CIA is claiming:
4950
49511077
495200:55:24,321 --> 00:55:28,576
4953They got bin Laden after using
4954EITs against detainees.
4955
49561078
495700:55:30,870 --> 00:55:36,208
4958They say it all started in 2002
4959with Abu Zubaydah
4960
49611079
496200:55:36,292 --> 00:55:39,587
4963and a detainee they called
4964"Riyadh the Facilitator,"
4965
49661080
496700:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,881
4968who tipped them off
4969to Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti,
4970
49711081
497200:55:41,964 --> 00:55:43,174
4973who had ties to bin Laden.
4974
49751082
497600:55:43,257 --> 00:55:44,884
4977That's not what happened?
4978
49791083
498000:55:44,967 --> 00:55:47,470
4981The truth is the CIA
4982was on al-Kuwaiti's phones,
4983
49841084
498500:55:47,553 --> 00:55:51,182
4986e-mails, identity, long before
4987they captured any detainees.
4988
49891085
499000:55:51,265 --> 00:55:56,103
4991Before they even had
4992an EIT program.
4993
49941086
499500:55:56,187 --> 00:55:58,647
4996Zubaydah told us al-Kuwaiti had
4997nothing to do with bin Laden.
4998
49991087
500000:55:58,731 --> 00:56:01,525
5001Same with KSM
5002and-and the others.
5003
50041088
500500:56:01,609 --> 00:56:04,612
5006But now we have former
5007CIA Director Michael Hayden
5008
50091089
501000:56:04,695 --> 00:56:07,239
5011on the radio saying
5012this all came from EITs.
5013
50141090
501500:56:07,323 --> 00:56:09,909
5016And former Attorney General
5017Mukasey is out there saying
5018
50191091
502000:56:09,992 --> 00:56:12,078
5021KSM broke like a dam
5022after waterboarding.
5023
50241092
502500:56:12,161 --> 00:56:13,621
5026Where is he saying that?
5027
50281093
502900:56:13,704 --> 00:56:16,123
5030Wall Street Journal.
5031I found a memo.
5032
50331094
503400:56:16,207 --> 00:56:17,833
5035It's from a few months back,
5036in March.
5037
50381095
503900:56:17,917 --> 00:56:19,335
5040It's called
5041"The Public Roll-out."
5042
50431096
504400:56:19,418 --> 00:56:22,713
5045The memo states the Agency
5046wanted their PR people
5047
50481097
504900:56:22,797 --> 00:56:26,801
5050to connect the bin Laden raid
5051to intel obtained via EITs
5052
50531098
505400:56:26,884 --> 00:56:28,177
5055before it even happened.
5056
50571099
505800:56:28,260 --> 00:56:32,306
5059So... if the CIA got bin Laden,
5060
50611100
506200:56:32,389 --> 00:56:35,226
5063then who cares what else it did?
5064
50651101
506600:56:35,309 --> 00:56:38,187
5067If it saved lives, there's
5068no need for accountability.
5069
50701102
507100:56:38,270 --> 00:56:40,481
5072Exactly. They lied to Bush
5073about the program.
5074
50751103
507600:56:40,564 --> 00:56:42,316
5077Now they're lying
5078to President Obama.
5079
50801104
508100:56:42,399 --> 00:56:46,112
5082This document about bin Laden
5083and, uh, the role of EITs,
5084
50851105
508600:56:46,195 --> 00:56:48,030
5087it just isn't true.
5088
50891106
509000:56:54,745 --> 00:56:57,540
5091You want me to get you
5092the White House?
5093
50941107
509500:56:59,375 --> 00:57:00,918
5096Let's do that.
5097
50981108
509900:57:03,504 --> 00:57:05,631
5100It's very clear to us
5101
51021109
510300:57:05,714 --> 00:57:09,635
5104the EITs did not lead
5105to bin Laden.
5106
51071110
510800:57:09,718 --> 00:57:12,346
5109The CIA is misrepresenting
5110the operation.
5111
51121111
511300:57:12,429 --> 00:57:14,306
5114I'm sure you see that,
5115don't you?
5116
51171112
511800:57:14,390 --> 00:57:16,725
5119I'm not
5120sure I understand, Senator.
5121
51221113
512300:57:16,809 --> 00:57:18,829
5124The mission was a success;
5125that's the headline here.
5126
51271114
512800:57:18,853 --> 00:57:22,231
5129This is a crucial moment
5130in our nation's history.
5131
51321115
513300:57:22,314 --> 00:57:26,819
5134I want to make certain that the
5135Agency isn't manipulating it
5136
51371116
513800:57:26,902 --> 00:57:30,197
5139to sanitize
5140their own past actions.
5141
51421117
514300:57:30,281 --> 00:57:32,116
5144I will let
5145the national security advisor
5146
51471118
514800:57:32,199 --> 00:57:34,285
5149know your concerns, Senator.
5150
51511119
515200:57:34,368 --> 00:57:36,704
5153- Thank you.
5154- Thank you, Senator Feinstein.
5155
51561120
515700:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,291
5158That's it?
5159
51601121
516100:57:40,374 --> 00:57:42,668
5162They don't care
5163the story is wrong?
5164
51651122
516600:57:44,295 --> 00:57:48,257
5167Well, I don't think we can look
5168to the White House for support.
5169
51701123
517100:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,976
5172What the hell just happened?
5173
51741124
517500:57:59,059 --> 00:58:02,354
5176The CIA just got
5177the president reelected.
5178
51791125
518000:58:02,438 --> 00:58:04,231
5181That's what happened.
5182
51831126
518400:58:07,651 --> 00:58:10,988
5185It was the
5186greatest manhunt of all time.
5187
51881127
518900:58:11,071 --> 00:58:13,616
5190You think you know the story,
5191
51921128
519300:58:13,699 --> 00:58:15,618
5194but hold on to your seats.
5195
51961129
519700:58:15,701 --> 00:58:18,787
5198Zero Dark Thirty,
5199the riveting new film,
5200
52011130
520200:58:18,871 --> 00:58:21,457
5203brings you the hunt
5204for Osama bin Laden
5205
52061131
520700:58:21,540 --> 00:58:24,168
5208as it has never been
5209seen before.
5210
52111132
521200:58:39,183 --> 00:58:41,268
5213This is it.
5214The last guy we have.
5215
52161133
521700:58:41,352 --> 00:58:47,524
5218Muhammad Rahim,
5219captured June 2007.
5220
52211134
522200:58:57,076 --> 00:58:58,744
5223We kept Rahim awake
5224
52251135
522600:58:58,827 --> 00:59:00,913
5227for 138 hours straight.
5228
52291136
523000:59:00,996 --> 00:59:03,999
5231Used the attention grasp,
5232
52331137
523400:59:04,083 --> 00:59:07,002
5235facial hold,
5236dietary manipulation.
5237
52381138
523900:59:07,086 --> 00:59:10,422
5240Abdominal slaps,
5241stress positions.
5242
52431139
524400:59:10,506 --> 00:59:13,550
5245We even offered him a towel
5246to wear if he cooperated.
5247
52481140
524900:59:13,634 --> 00:59:14,885
5250Gave us nothing.
5251
52521141
525300:59:14,969 --> 00:59:16,595
5254He said that, if we hurt him,
5255
52561142
525700:59:16,679 --> 00:59:19,932
5258he'd just make things up
5259to get us to stop.
5260
52611143
526200:59:20,015 --> 00:59:22,685
5263And then he said
5264he was at our mercy
5265
52661144
526700:59:22,768 --> 00:59:25,020
5268and we could kill him
5269if we wanted.
5270
52711145
527200:59:25,104 --> 00:59:26,831
5273What's the point
5274of moving forward
5275
52761146
527700:59:26,855 --> 00:59:28,607
5278without the waterboard?
5279
52801147
528100:59:28,691 --> 00:59:30,818
5282It's like trying to play
5283baseball without the bat.
5284
52851148
528600:59:30,901 --> 00:59:32,820
5287We've been going at him
5288for 60 days now,
5289
52901149
529100:59:32,903 --> 00:59:35,155
5292not getting anywhere.
5293
52941150
529500:59:35,239 --> 00:59:39,326
5296The problem is
5297that CTC hasn't given us
5298
52991151
530000:59:39,410 --> 00:59:41,287
5301any good intel
5302to question him about.
5303
53041152
530500:59:41,370 --> 00:59:43,038
5306We don't have any leverage.
5307
53081153
530900:59:43,122 --> 00:59:44,999
5310Hold on.
5311You're the psychologists.
5312
53131154
531400:59:45,082 --> 00:59:46,834
5315You told me you were
5316gonna get us intel.
5317
53181155
531900:59:46,917 --> 00:59:48,637
5320Now you're saying
5321we need to give it to you?
5322
53231156
532400:59:48,711 --> 00:59:54,049
5325I'm thinking we improve his
5326treatment for a week or two,
5327
53281157
532900:59:54,133 --> 00:59:58,137
5330give him some hope,
5331and then we go back at him hard
5332
53331158
533400:59:58,220 --> 01:00:00,556
5335and create
5336a sense of helplessness.
5337
53381159
533901:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,768
5340Or we could try recruiting him.
5341
53421160
534301:00:04,852 --> 01:00:08,522
5344Tell him he can be
5345a CIA agent if he talks.
5346
53471161
534801:00:08,605 --> 01:00:09,982
5349The FBI does that.
5350
53511162
535201:00:10,065 --> 01:00:11,984
5353We're not the FBI.
5354We don't do that.
5355
53561163
535701:00:12,067 --> 01:00:14,737
5358The way the science works is
5359
53601164
536101:00:14,820 --> 01:00:16,905
5362we only get the intel after...
5363
53641165
536501:00:16,989 --> 01:00:18,699
5366After what?
5367
53681166
536901:00:18,782 --> 01:00:21,118
5370Why are so many of these guys
5371still lying to us
5372
53731167
537401:00:21,201 --> 01:00:23,329
5375after you work on them?
5376
53771168
537801:00:25,581 --> 01:00:27,833
5379Where's the special sauce?
5380
53811169
538201:00:30,085 --> 01:00:34,006
5383You have to make this work.
5384It's only legal if it works.
5385
53861170
538701:00:34,089 --> 01:00:36,884
5388The CIA's questioning
5389of Muhammad Rahim
5390
53911171
539201:00:36,967 --> 01:00:39,094
5393resulted in
5394zero intelligence reports.
5395
53961172
539701:00:39,178 --> 01:00:42,431
5398On April 21, 2008,
5399the Agency convened
5400
54011173
540201:00:42,514 --> 01:00:44,266
5403an after-action review
5404of his interrogation.
5405
54061174
540701:00:44,350 --> 01:00:46,977
5408Senator, I just want to point
5409out that this is the first time
5410
54111175
541201:00:47,061 --> 01:00:48,645
5413the Agency stopped and evaluated
5414
54151176
541601:00:48,729 --> 01:00:50,230
5417the effectiveness
5418of the program.
5419
54201177
542101:00:51,398 --> 01:00:53,484
5422And they concluded that,
5423in the future,
5424
54251178
542601:00:53,567 --> 01:00:55,569
5427CIA interrogators should use
5428rapport building.
5429
54301179
543101:00:58,781 --> 01:01:01,116
5432They even suggested
5433asking other agencies,
5434
54351180
543601:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,410
5437law enforcement,
5438and even other countries
5439
54401181
544101:01:03,494 --> 01:01:05,245
5442about effective
5443interrogation methods.
5444
54451182
544601:01:07,539 --> 01:01:08,707
5447So...
5448
54491183
545001:01:11,460 --> 01:01:14,004
5451For the past six years,
5452there's been a steady stream
5453
54541184
545501:01:14,088 --> 01:01:19,676
5456of CIA personnel...
5457Directors, deputies, analysts...
5458
54591185
546001:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,553
5461Coming over here and telling me
5462
54631186
546401:01:21,637 --> 01:01:25,724
5465what an amazing success
5466EITs have been.
5467
54681187
546901:01:25,808 --> 01:01:29,603
5470Somehow not even one of them
5471managed to mention that part.
5472
54731188
547401:01:34,858 --> 01:01:40,531
5475How many detainees have been
5476through the program in total?
5477
54781189
547901:01:41,615 --> 01:01:43,450
5480At least 119.
5481
54821190
548301:01:45,911 --> 01:01:47,830
5484The Agency admits
5485a quarter of them
5486
54871191
548801:01:47,913 --> 01:01:49,957
5489should never have been detained.
5490
54911192
549201:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,878
5493The EIT program never worked,
5494not on anyone.
5495
54961193
549701:02:04,555 --> 01:02:07,850
5498Today, we are gathered
5499to approve
5500
55011194
550201:02:07,933 --> 01:02:09,435
5503the committee's study of
5504
55051195
550601:02:09,518 --> 01:02:14,565
5507the CIA Detention
5508and Interrogation Program.
5509
55101196
551101:02:14,648 --> 01:02:17,317
5512I would like to thank
5513Daniel Jones
5514
55151197
551601:02:17,401 --> 01:02:21,155
5517and his small staff
5518who prepared this study.
5519
55201198
552101:02:21,238 --> 01:02:23,699
5522Clerk, would you call the roll?
5523
55241199
552501:02:25,325 --> 01:02:28,078
5526- Mr. Udall?
5527- Yay.
5528
55291200
553001:02:28,162 --> 01:02:31,081
5531- Mr. Rubio?
5532- Nay.
5533
55341201
553501:02:31,165 --> 01:02:33,834
5536- Mr. Rockefeller?
5537- Yay.
5538
55391202
554001:02:33,917 --> 01:02:36,295
5541- Mr. Warner?
5542- Yay.
5543
55441203
554501:02:36,378 --> 01:02:38,297
5546- Mr. Blunt?
5547- Nay.
5548
55491204
555001:02:38,380 --> 01:02:41,216
5551- Mr. Conrad?
5552- Yay.
5553
55541205
555501:02:41,300 --> 01:02:43,510
5556- Mr. Coats?
5557- Nay.
5558
55591206
556001:02:43,594 --> 01:02:45,846
5561- Mr. Nelson?
5562- Yay.
5563
55641207
556501:02:45,929 --> 01:02:48,307
5566- Mr. Risch?
5567- Nay.
5568
55691208
557001:02:48,390 --> 01:02:50,893
5571- Ms. Mikulski?
5572- Yay.
5573
55741209
557501:02:50,976 --> 01:02:53,145
5576- Mr. Burr?
5577- Nay.
5578
55791210
558001:02:53,228 --> 01:02:55,606
5581- Mr. Wyden?
5582- Yay.
5583
55841211
558501:02:55,689 --> 01:02:58,066
5586- Ms. Snowe?
5587- Yay.
5588
55891212
559001:02:58,150 --> 01:03:02,070
5591- Mr. Chambliss?
5592- Nay.
5593
55941213
559501:03:02,154 --> 01:03:04,239
5596Ms. Feinstein?
5597
55981214
559901:03:04,323 --> 01:03:06,700
5600Yay.
5601
56021215
560301:03:09,077 --> 01:03:10,662
5604The motion passes.
5605
56061216
560701:03:10,746 --> 01:03:15,751
5608The report will now be sent
5609to the CIA for final comments.
5610
56111217
561201:03:19,546 --> 01:03:21,423
5613I, John Owen Brennan,
5614
56151218
561601:03:21,507 --> 01:03:23,634
5617do solemnly swear to tell
5618the truth, the full truth,
5619
56201219
562101:03:23,717 --> 01:03:26,094
5622and nothing but the truth,
5623so help me God.
5624
56251220
562601:03:26,178 --> 01:03:28,764
5627Thank you, Mr. Brennan.
5628
56291221
563001:03:28,847 --> 01:03:31,016
5631I look forward
5632to hearing your testimony.
5633
56341222
563501:03:34,436 --> 01:03:36,730
5636I am honored
5637to appear before you today
5638
56391223
564001:03:36,813 --> 01:03:40,734
5641as the president's nominee
5642for director of the CIA.
5643
56441224
564501:03:40,817 --> 01:03:44,530
5646I'd like to say from
5647the beginning that honesty...
5648
56491225
565001:03:44,613 --> 01:03:48,033
5651Truthfulness... was a value
5652inculcated in me
5653
56541226
565501:03:48,116 --> 01:03:51,078
5656growing up in New Jersey by
5657my parents, Owen and Dorothy.
5658
56591227
566001:03:51,161 --> 01:03:53,205
5661Now, none of us
5662are perfect beings.
5663
56641228
566501:03:53,288 --> 01:03:55,290
5666I am far from perfect.
5667
56681229
566901:03:55,374 --> 01:03:57,501
5670But I will be honest
5671with this committee
5672
56731230
567401:03:57,584 --> 01:03:59,127
5675and do everything possible
5676
56771231
567801:03:59,211 --> 01:04:02,464
5679to meet your legitimate needs
5680and requirements.
5681
56821232
568301:04:02,548 --> 01:04:04,007
5684Mr. Brennan,
5685
56861233
568701:04:04,091 --> 01:04:06,718
5688I've long believed that our
5689government has an obligation
5690
56911234
569201:04:06,802 --> 01:04:10,847
5693to the American people to face
5694its mistakes transparently,
5695
56961235
569701:04:10,931 --> 01:04:13,892
5698to help the public understand
5699the nature of those mistakes,
5700
57011236
570201:04:13,976 --> 01:04:16,270
5703and to correct them.
5704
57051237
570601:04:16,353 --> 01:04:20,274
5707The enhanced interrogation
5708techniques were brutal,
5709
57101238
571101:04:20,357 --> 01:04:23,026
5712and, perhaps most importantly,
5713they did not work.
5714
57151239
571601:04:23,110 --> 01:04:26,029
5717Now, the CIA has
5718a responsibility
5719
57201240
572101:04:26,113 --> 01:04:28,490
5722to correct any inaccurate
5723information it provided
5724
57251241
572601:04:28,574 --> 01:04:30,718
5727to the previous White House,
5728the Department of Justice,
5729
57301242
573101:04:30,742 --> 01:04:32,536
5732Congress and the public.
5733
57341243
573501:04:34,997 --> 01:04:38,208
5736Do you agree that the CIA
5737has this responsibility?
5738
57391244
574001:04:38,292 --> 01:04:40,794
5741And I'd appreciate
5742a yes or no answer.
5743
57441245
574501:04:42,504 --> 01:04:46,008
5746Yes, Senator.
5747
57481246
574901:04:46,091 --> 01:04:47,634
5750Absolutely.
5751
57521247
575301:04:49,344 --> 01:04:50,904
5754Office of the chief of staff.
5755
57561248
575701:04:50,929 --> 01:04:52,973
5758Mr. McDonough is
5759in a meeting right now.
5760
57611249
576201:04:53,056 --> 01:04:55,337
5763According to the latest NBC
5764News/Wall Street Journal poll,
5765
57661250
576701:04:55,392 --> 01:04:58,895
5768the president's
5769approval rating is at 44%.
5770
57711251
577201:04:58,979 --> 01:05:00,498
5773That's up three points since March...
5774
57751252
577601:05:00,522 --> 01:05:02,441
5777Excuse me. Mr. McDonough.
5778
57791253
578001:05:02,524 --> 01:05:04,985
5781- Director Brennan is here.
5782- Oh.
5783
57841254
578501:05:05,068 --> 01:05:06,320
5786There he is.
5787
57881255
578901:05:06,403 --> 01:05:08,488
5790- Congratulations, Mr. Director.
5791- Thank you.
5792
57931256
579401:05:08,572 --> 01:05:09,990
5795Welcome. Come on in. Thank you.
5796
57971257
579801:05:10,073 --> 01:05:12,200
5799Thank you
5800and thank President Obama.
5801
58021258
580301:05:12,284 --> 01:05:13,952
5804I'll let him know.
5805
58061259
580701:05:14,036 --> 01:05:16,121
5808Speaking of, uh,
5809
58101260
581101:05:16,204 --> 01:05:18,624
5812he wanted me to ask you
5813if there's any new information
5814
58151261
581601:05:18,707 --> 01:05:21,084
5817on the drone strikes
5818of April 29th?
5819
58201262
582101:05:21,168 --> 01:05:24,588
5822We can confirm
5823that the Al Qaeda planner
5824
58251263
582601:05:24,671 --> 01:05:27,633
5827Abu Sulayman al-Jazairi
5828has been killed.
5829
58301264
583101:05:27,716 --> 01:05:30,260
5832Unfortunately, we also believe
5833
58341265
583501:05:30,344 --> 01:05:34,348
5836that there were between five
5837and ten civilian casualties.
5838
58391266
584001:05:34,431 --> 01:05:35,849
5841Shit.
5842
58431267
584401:05:35,932 --> 01:05:38,143
5845Well, I'll let
5846the president know.
5847
58481268
584901:05:38,226 --> 01:05:40,228
5850What about the
5851Intelligence Committee report?
5852
58531269
585401:05:40,312 --> 01:05:41,772
5855We need to talk about that.
5856
58571270
585801:05:41,855 --> 01:05:44,691
5859John, w-we gave the CIA
5860until February
5861
58621271
586301:05:44,775 --> 01:05:47,152
5864to come up with its response;
5865it's now May.
5866
58671272
586801:05:47,235 --> 01:05:49,213
5869I've got Senator Feinstein
5870all over my phone sheet.
5871
58721273
587301:05:49,237 --> 01:05:51,531
5874I don't want to be the one
5875who has to push on this,
5876
58771274
587801:05:51,615 --> 01:05:54,284
5879but the president would really
5880like to get this behind us.
5881
58821275
588301:05:59,748 --> 01:06:01,541
5884And?
5885
58861276
588701:06:01,625 --> 01:06:03,960
5888We acknowledge that
5889
58901277
589101:06:04,044 --> 01:06:06,630
5892the Detention and Interrogation
5893Program had shortcomings
5894
58951278
589601:06:06,713 --> 01:06:08,965
5897and that the Agency
5898made mistakes.
5899
59001279
590101:06:09,049 --> 01:06:10,729
5902The most serious of those
5903occurred early on
5904
59051280
590601:06:10,801 --> 01:06:13,428
5907and stemmed from the fact
5908that we were unprepared.
5909
59101281
591101:06:15,055 --> 01:06:18,642
5912Now, as you know, we part ways
5913on some key points.
5914
59151282
591601:06:18,725 --> 01:06:22,062
5917According to our review,
5918indications are that
5919
59201283
592101:06:22,145 --> 01:06:24,314
5922interrogations of
5923detainees upon whom
5924
59251284
592601:06:24,398 --> 01:06:27,109
5927the enhanced interrogation
5928techniques were used
5929
59301285
593101:06:27,192 --> 01:06:30,529
5932did produce unique intelligence
5933
59341286
593501:06:30,612 --> 01:06:32,364
5936that helped thwart attack plans,
5937
59381287
593901:06:32,447 --> 01:06:34,408
5940capture terrorists,
5941and saved lives.
5942
59431288
594401:06:34,491 --> 01:06:36,010
5945Excuse me, intelligence
5946gathered from EITs...
5947
59481289
594901:06:36,034 --> 01:06:38,245
5950And that intelligence
5951continues to inform
5952
59531290
595401:06:38,328 --> 01:06:40,038
5955our counterterrorism efforts.
5956
59571291
595801:06:40,122 --> 01:06:41,623
5959It led us to bin Laden.
5960
59611292
596201:06:43,208 --> 01:06:45,585
5963Now, it's one thing
5964to disapprove of the program.
5965
59661293
596701:06:45,669 --> 01:06:47,295
5968I-I welcome that conversation,
5969
59701294
597101:06:47,379 --> 01:06:49,005
5972but it's something else
5973altogether
5974
59751295
597601:06:49,089 --> 01:06:50,692
5977to say that it was
5978mismanaged and ineffective.
5979
59801296
598101:06:50,716 --> 01:06:51,842
5982Excuse me, Director Brennan.
5983
59841297
598501:06:51,925 --> 01:06:54,553
5986The report is
5987based on CIA records.
5988
59891298
599001:06:54,636 --> 01:06:57,180
5991CIA officers themselves
5992called it ineffective.
5993
59941299
599501:06:57,264 --> 01:06:58,890
5996CIA officers?
5997
59981300
599901:06:58,974 --> 01:07:01,393
6000Well, you didn't speak to any
6001CIA officers in the program,
6002
60031301
600401:07:01,476 --> 01:07:02,644
6005did you, Dan?
6006
60071302
600801:07:02,728 --> 01:07:05,105
6009Your lawyers would not
6010make them available to us
6011
60121303
601301:07:05,188 --> 01:07:08,775
6014because of the Department
6015of Justice's criminal inquiry.
6016
60171304
601801:07:08,859 --> 01:07:11,862
6019We also disagree with
6020the study's characterization of
6021
60221305
602301:07:11,945 --> 01:07:16,283
6024how the CIA briefed Congress,
6025the White House and the press.
6026
60271306
602801:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,785
6029Now, we have documentation
6030that certainly proves that.
6031
60321307
603301:07:18,869 --> 01:07:20,287
6034Excuse me, sir, what documents?
6035
60361308
603701:07:20,370 --> 01:07:21,663
6038If the director is referencing
6039
60401309
604101:07:21,747 --> 01:07:23,540
6042cables or e-mails
6043we were never shown,
6044
60451310
604601:07:23,623 --> 01:07:25,223
6047then that's a violation
6048of our agreement.
6049
60501311
605101:07:25,250 --> 01:07:27,753
6052Everything was supposed
6053to have been provided to us.
6054
60551312
605601:07:27,836 --> 01:07:29,755
6057Do we just give
6058the committee access
6059
60601313
606101:07:29,838 --> 01:07:31,715
6062to the entire
6063CIA computer system?
6064
60651314
606601:07:31,798 --> 01:07:33,633
6067Is that where this goes?
6068
60691315
607001:07:33,717 --> 01:07:37,095
6071Dan gets to read every e-mail,
6072gets to see every document?
6073
60741316
607501:07:37,179 --> 01:07:40,265
6076Every relevant document
6077or e-mail, yes.
6078
60791317
608001:07:42,350 --> 01:07:45,228
6081I have always supported
6082the intelligence community.
6083
60841318
608501:07:45,312 --> 01:07:50,066
6086I broke with my own party
6087to support the drone program,
6088
60891319
609001:07:50,150 --> 01:07:52,986
6091but what this report
6092makes very clear
6093
60941320
609501:07:53,069 --> 01:07:56,656
6096is a real need for oversight
6097and accountability.
6098
60991321
610001:07:56,740 --> 01:07:59,618
6101You asked for our response,
6102and we gave it to you.
6103
61041322
610501:07:59,701 --> 01:08:02,078
6106We looked in the mirror.
6107
61081323
610901:08:02,162 --> 01:08:05,040
6110Now, uh, we made mistakes.
6111
61121324
611301:08:05,123 --> 01:08:08,502
6114There were abuses, and those
6115abuses have been addressed.
6116
61171325
611801:08:08,585 --> 01:08:11,963
6119But I-I vehemently disagree
6120with the narrative
6121
61221326
612301:08:12,047 --> 01:08:14,049
6124that you're trying
6125to string together here.
6126
61271327
612801:08:14,132 --> 01:08:15,759
6129It lacks context.
6130
61311328
613201:08:15,842 --> 01:08:17,719
6133It does not paint
6134an accurate picture
6135
61361329
613701:08:17,803 --> 01:08:19,888
6138of the work that was done.
6139
61401330
614101:08:19,971 --> 01:08:21,556
6142Let's go.
6143
61441331
614501:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,518
6146Senator, John Brennan's
6147name is in that report.
6148
61491332
615001:08:24,601 --> 01:08:26,269
6151He was Director Tenet's
6152chief of staff
6153
61541333
615501:08:26,353 --> 01:08:27,673
6156and then
6157deputy executive director
6158
61591334
616001:08:27,729 --> 01:08:29,272
6161when the program started.
6162
61631335
616401:08:29,356 --> 01:08:31,000
6165- He grew up at the Agency.
6166- He claims to have
6167
61681336
616901:08:31,024 --> 01:08:32,710
6170- spoken out against the EIT program...
6171- Where?
6172
61731337
617401:08:32,734 --> 01:08:34,736
6175I just spent five years
6176looking at their e-mails.
6177
61781338
617901:08:34,820 --> 01:08:36,620
6180I never found anything
6181to suggest that's true.
6182
61831339
618401:08:36,696 --> 01:08:38,949
6185Well, we knew
6186this wasn't going to be easy.
6187
61881340
618901:08:39,032 --> 01:08:42,035
6190They have their own narrative,
6191and they're gonna stick to it.
6192
61931341
619401:08:42,118 --> 01:08:43,958
6195Maybe we could come up
6196with some middle ground,
6197
61981342
619901:08:43,995 --> 01:08:46,122
6200- find some common language.
6201- I thought our job
6202
62031343
620401:08:46,206 --> 01:08:47,767
6205was to provide oversight
6206and accountability,
6207
62081344
620901:08:47,791 --> 01:08:49,626
6210not middle ground.
6211
62121345
621301:08:50,418 --> 01:08:52,504
6214I have a question for you.
6215
62161346
621701:08:52,587 --> 01:08:55,090
6218Do you work for me
6219or for the report?
6220
62211347
622201:08:56,591 --> 01:09:01,012
6223And I'd encourage you to think
6224about that before answering.
6225
62261348
622701:09:13,483 --> 01:09:15,569
6228Dan!
6229
62301349
623101:09:15,652 --> 01:09:17,696
6232Dan Jones.
6233
62341350
623501:09:17,779 --> 01:09:19,030
6236There he is.
6237
62381351
623901:09:19,114 --> 01:09:20,949
6240Look at you, chief investigator
6241
62421352
624301:09:21,032 --> 01:09:23,410
6244of the largest study
6245the Senate's ever conducted.
6246
62471353
624801:09:23,493 --> 01:09:25,036
6249My God. How you doing?
6250
62511354
625201:09:25,120 --> 01:09:26,955
6253It's good to see you
6254in the fresh air.
6255
62561355
625701:09:27,038 --> 01:09:28,432
6258- Yeah.
6259- It's so funny.
6260
62611356
626201:09:28,456 --> 01:09:29,958
6263I was just thinking
6264the other night,
6265
62661357
626701:09:30,041 --> 01:09:32,544
6268do you remember that time
6269you came and saw me,
6270
62711358
627201:09:32,627 --> 01:09:34,170
6273right after
6274you got out of school?
6275
62761359
627701:09:34,254 --> 01:09:36,214
6278You said go get
6279intel experience,
6280
62811360
628201:09:36,298 --> 01:09:37,883
6283wait till the Dems
6284got the Senate back.
6285
62861361
628701:09:39,301 --> 01:09:40,903
6288Working for the
6289Senate Intelligence Committee
6290
62911362
629201:09:40,927 --> 01:09:42,387
6293for Dianne Feinstein.
6294
62951363
629601:09:42,470 --> 01:09:44,156
6297You told me once you wanted
6298to make a difference.
6299
63001364
630101:09:44,180 --> 01:09:45,807
6302I hope you still
6303get that chance.
6304
63051365
630601:09:45,891 --> 01:09:47,767
6307- What does that mean?
6308- What does that mean?
6309
63101366
631101:09:47,851 --> 01:09:51,605
6312It means, Dan, get out of the
6313senator's head about the CIA.
6314
63151367
631601:09:51,688 --> 01:09:53,607
6317You're not doing yourself
6318any favors.
6319
63201368
632101:09:53,690 --> 01:09:55,150
6322Have you read the report?
6323
63241369
632501:09:55,233 --> 01:09:58,403
6326It's 7,000 pages, Dan.
6327
63281370
632901:09:58,486 --> 01:10:02,240
6330The Bible tells the history
6331of mankind in less than that.
6332
63331371
633401:10:02,324 --> 01:10:05,744
6335Look, buddy,
6336
63371372
633801:10:05,827 --> 01:10:07,555
6339we're gonna get the CIA
6340to sit down with you,
6341
63421373
634301:10:07,579 --> 01:10:09,956
6344tell you
6345their side of the story.
6346
63471374
634801:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,667
6349It would help
6350if you would listen.
6351
63521375
635301:10:14,294 --> 01:10:16,463
6354The study seems
6355to most seriously diverge
6356
63571376
635801:10:16,546 --> 01:10:19,507
6359from the facts by asking
6360the reader to believe
6361
63621377
636301:10:19,591 --> 01:10:21,801
6364the CIA withheld information
6365
63661378
636701:10:21,885 --> 01:10:23,845
6368from the executive branch
6369and Congress.
6370
63711379
637201:10:23,929 --> 01:10:27,057
6373We'd like to see that
6374removed from the report.
6375
63761380
637701:10:27,140 --> 01:10:29,201
6378After the photos of
6379Abu Ghraib came out in 2004,
6380
63811381
638201:10:29,225 --> 01:10:31,478
6383Deputy Director McLaughlin
6384appeared before Congress,
6385
63861382
638701:10:31,561 --> 01:10:34,439
6388in front of you, and said
6389the CIA is not authorized
6390
63911383
639201:10:34,522 --> 01:10:36,816
6393to do anything like what
6394you've seen in those photos.
6395
63961384
639701:10:36,900 --> 01:10:38,860
6398But what they were doing
6399was even worse.
6400
64011385
640201:10:38,944 --> 01:10:40,862
6403Then in 2005,
6404Senator Rockefeller
6405
64061386
640701:10:40,946 --> 01:10:42,656
6408called for a review
6409of the program,
6410
64111387
641201:10:42,739 --> 01:10:44,699
6413and the deputy chief
6414of Counterterrorism
6415
64161388
641701:10:44,783 --> 01:10:46,493
6418got nervous
6419where that might lead.
6420
64211389
642201:10:46,576 --> 01:10:48,787
6423So he sent a message
6424to senior leadership
6425
64261390
642701:10:48,870 --> 01:10:51,373
6428discussing the need
6429to manage the situation.
6430
64311391
643201:10:51,456 --> 01:10:55,293
6433He said, "We either get out
6434and sell, or we get hammered."
6435
64361392
643701:10:55,377 --> 01:10:58,338
6438Congress reads it,
6439cuts our authorities,
6440
64411393
644201:10:58,421 --> 01:10:59,798
6443messes up our budget.
6444
64451394
644601:10:59,881 --> 01:11:01,132
6447We need to make sure
6448
64491395
645001:11:01,216 --> 01:11:03,593
6451"the impression of
6452what we do is positive."
6453
64541396
645501:11:03,677 --> 01:11:06,262
6456This is the deputy chief
6457of Counterterrorism.
6458
64591397
646001:11:06,346 --> 01:11:08,848
6461That all stays in.
6462
64631398
646401:11:08,932 --> 01:11:11,059
6465We fundamentally disagree
6466with the assertion
6467
64681399
646901:11:11,142 --> 01:11:13,979
6470that the program was
6471poorly managed and executed
6472
64731400
647401:11:14,062 --> 01:11:17,565
6475and that unqualified officers
6476imposed brutal conditions,
6477
64781401
647901:11:17,649 --> 01:11:20,652
6480used unapproved techniques, and
6481were rarely held accountable.
6482
64831402
648401:11:20,735 --> 01:11:22,862
6485What about Mitchell and Jessen?
6486
64871403
648801:11:22,946 --> 01:11:26,658
6489Mitchell's PhD thesis
6490was on diet and exercise
6491
64921404
649301:11:26,741 --> 01:11:28,368
6494for controlling hypertension.
6495
64961405
649701:11:28,451 --> 01:11:30,412
6498Jessen's dissertation
6499was on family therapy,
6500
65011406
650201:11:30,495 --> 01:11:31,997
6503something called
6504family sculpting,
6505
65061407
650701:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,082
6508where you make clay figures
6509of your family members.
6510
65111408
651201:11:34,165 --> 01:11:35,851
6513- No. How much were they paid?
6514- They had no experience
6515
65161409
651701:11:35,875 --> 01:11:37,043
6518in real-world interrogations.
6519
65201410
652101:11:37,127 --> 01:11:38,586
6522No science
6523to back up their claims.
6524
65251411
652601:11:38,670 --> 01:11:39,963
6527They were allowed to assess
6528
65291412
653001:11:40,046 --> 01:11:41,840
6531the effectiveness
6532of their own program
6533
65341413
653501:11:41,923 --> 01:11:43,842
6536without providing
6537any scientific evidence.
6538
65391414
654001:11:43,925 --> 01:11:45,385
6541How much in total
6542
65431415
654401:11:45,468 --> 01:11:48,555
6545did the U.S. taxpayers
6546give them for their work?
6547
65481416
654901:11:48,638 --> 01:11:50,515
6550Over $80 million.
6551
65521417
655301:11:51,599 --> 01:11:54,394
6554The Agency also disagrees that
6555
65561418
655701:11:54,477 --> 01:11:57,605
6558the Detention and Interrogation
6559Program did not produce
6560
65611419
656201:11:57,689 --> 01:11:59,566
6563unique intelligence
6564that disrupted plots
6565
65661420
656701:11:59,649 --> 01:12:01,860
6568and saved lives.
6569
65701421
657101:12:01,943 --> 01:12:04,154
6572For instance,
6573the identity of José Padilla,
6574
65751422
657601:12:04,237 --> 01:12:06,031
6577the "dirty bomber."
6578
65791423
658001:12:06,114 --> 01:12:07,615
6581If we hadn't stopped Padilla,
6582
65831424
658401:12:07,699 --> 01:12:11,161
6585this entire area
6586would be radioactive today.
6587
65881425
658901:12:11,244 --> 01:12:12,871
6590José Padilla!
6591
65921426
659301:12:12,954 --> 01:12:15,790
6594Padilla found the instructions
6595for his dirty bomb online,
6596
65971427
659801:12:15,874 --> 01:12:19,252
6599in-in an article entitled
6600"Making and owning an H-bomb
6601
66021428
660301:12:19,335 --> 01:12:22,422
6604is the kind of challenge
6605real Americans seek."
6606
66071429
660801:12:22,505 --> 01:12:25,383
6609It says,
6610"Fill two buckets with uranium
6611
66121430
661301:12:25,467 --> 01:12:28,595
6614and swing them above your head
6615as fast as possible."
6616
66171431
661801:12:28,678 --> 01:12:30,055
6619It was a joke.
6620
66211432
662201:12:30,138 --> 01:12:31,639
6623As far as we can tell,
6624
66251433
662601:12:31,723 --> 01:12:34,059
6627everything they attribute
6628to EITs they already had,
6629
66301434
663101:12:34,142 --> 01:12:36,770
6632from other sources,
6633from foreign governments,
6634
66351435
663601:12:36,853 --> 01:12:38,313
6637from other methods.
6638
66391436
664001:12:38,396 --> 01:12:40,899
6641They claim they saved lives,
6642but what they really did
6643
66441437
664501:12:40,982 --> 01:12:42,692
6646was make it impossible
6647to prosecute
6648
66491438
665001:12:42,776 --> 01:12:45,945
6651a mass murderer like KSM,
6652because if what we did to him
6653
66541439
665501:12:46,029 --> 01:12:48,823
6656ever came out in a court
6657of law, the case is over.
6658
66591440
666001:12:48,907 --> 01:12:52,077
6661The guy planned 9/11,
6662and instead of going to jail
6663
66641441
666501:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,537
6666for the rest of his life,
6667the CIA turned him into
6668
66691442
667001:12:54,621 --> 01:12:57,791
6671a recruiting tool
6672for a war we're still fighting.
6673
66741443
667501:13:01,461 --> 01:13:03,671
6676Stop meeting with them.
6677
66781444
667901:13:10,095 --> 01:13:13,223
6680This is a remarkable document
6681you've created.
6682
66831445
668401:13:13,306 --> 01:13:15,058
6685Truly.
6686
66871446
668801:13:15,141 --> 01:13:18,645
6689It will provide
6690an enduring history,
6691
66921447
669301:13:18,728 --> 01:13:21,397
6694whether it comes out or not.
6695
66961448
669701:13:26,319 --> 01:13:28,780
6698What does that mean, "w-whether
6699it comes out or not"?
6700
67011449
670201:13:28,863 --> 01:13:31,116
6703What does she mean?
6704
67051450
670601:13:31,199 --> 01:13:32,742
6707What does that mean?
6708
67091451
671001:13:32,826 --> 01:13:34,428
6711We've been working on this
6712thing for nearly five years.
6713
67141452
671501:13:34,452 --> 01:13:37,956
6716Yes, and it is still
6717our word against theirs.
6718
67191453
672001:13:38,039 --> 01:13:39,624
6721She's gonna need more than that.
6722
67231454
672401:13:56,683 --> 01:13:57,851
6725This is Jones.
6726
67271455
672801:13:57,934 --> 01:13:59,602
6729Hey, Dan, this is Evan Tanner.
6730
67311456
673201:13:59,686 --> 01:14:03,231
6733Um, I hear rumors the report
6734might not be coming out now.
6735
67361457
673701:14:03,314 --> 01:14:05,024
6738A lot of pushback
6739from the Agency.
6740
67411458
674201:14:05,108 --> 01:14:07,944
6743- They're calling it "flawed."
6744- Who told you that?
6745
67461459
674701:14:08,027 --> 01:14:11,072
6748Dan, I'm the
6749national security reporter
6750
67511460
675201:14:11,156 --> 01:14:12,448
6753for The New York Times.
6754
67551461
675601:14:12,532 --> 01:14:14,492
6757Do you have any thoughts?
6758
67591462
676001:14:14,576 --> 01:14:17,829
6761It's not
6762my place to talk about rumors.
6763
67641463
676501:14:17,912 --> 01:14:19,414
6766No, I didn't think you would.
6767
67681464
676901:14:19,497 --> 01:14:21,499
6770I was wondering
6771if you might want to comment.
6772
67731465
677401:14:21,583 --> 01:14:25,128
6775Uh, it can be off the record.
6776
67771466
677801:14:25,211 --> 01:14:29,174
6779I just think we can
6780help each other here.
6781
67821467
678301:14:29,257 --> 01:14:31,843
6784You know I can't do that.
6785
67861468
678701:14:33,511 --> 01:14:36,681
6788And here's what we know
6789about Caroline Krass:
6790
67911469
679201:14:36,764 --> 01:14:38,266
679320 years
6794in the executive branch,
6795
67961470
679701:14:38,349 --> 01:14:39,809
6798including the
6799Office of Legal Counsel
6800
68011471
680201:14:39,893 --> 01:14:41,477
6803where she worked with John Yoo.
6804
68051472
680601:14:41,561 --> 01:14:44,189
6807Guys, this
6808confirmation's a done deal.
6809
68101473
681101:14:44,272 --> 01:14:46,065
6812We're not gonna stop it.
6813
68141474
681501:14:46,149 --> 01:14:49,986
6816But it is a public hearing,
6817and it just seems like
6818
68191475
682001:14:50,069 --> 01:14:52,030
6821there's an opportunity
6822to say something.
6823
68241476
682501:14:52,113 --> 01:14:54,782
6826Wh-What are you
6827looking for, Senator?
6828
68291477
683001:14:54,866 --> 01:14:57,368
6831I don't know, something
6832to move the study forward,
6833
68341478
683501:14:57,452 --> 01:15:00,371
6836to break us
6837out of this stalemate.
6838
68391479
684001:15:02,707 --> 01:15:03,958
6841Any ideas?
6842
68431480
684401:15:09,088 --> 01:15:10,715
6845Senator, there is a document.
6846
68471481
684801:15:50,296 --> 01:15:51,923
6849You ever sleep, bro?
6850
68511482
685201:15:52,006 --> 01:15:53,883
6853I used to.
6854
68551483
685601:15:53,967 --> 01:15:55,843
6857Got in the way of work.
6858
68591484
686001:15:55,927 --> 01:15:58,638
6861Anything in that bag contain
6862the real names of CIA officers,
6863
68641485
686501:15:58,721 --> 01:16:00,848
6866assets or partners,
6867or any information
6868
68691486
687001:16:00,932 --> 01:16:03,101
6871that would be in violation
6872of the agreement between
6873
68741487
687501:16:03,184 --> 01:16:05,895
6876the Central Intelligence Agency
6877and the United States Senate?
6878
68791488
688001:16:05,979 --> 01:16:08,690
6881- Have a good night, Jay.
6882- You, too, Dan.
6883
68841489
688501:17:01,326 --> 01:17:03,328
6886The committee
6887will come to order.
6888
68891490
689001:17:05,121 --> 01:17:07,707
6891Today, we are gathered
6892for the confirmation hearing
6893
68941491
689501:17:07,790 --> 01:17:12,378
6896of Caroline Krass to be
6897general counsel of the CIA.
6898
68991492
690001:17:12,462 --> 01:17:14,964
6901Welcome, Ms. Krass.
6902
69031493
690401:17:15,048 --> 01:17:17,216
6905I'm honored to be here
6906before the committee,
6907
69081494
690901:17:17,300 --> 01:17:20,178
6910and I'd like to take this
6911moment to acknowledge my family
6912
69131495
691401:17:20,261 --> 01:17:22,638
6915and thank them
6916for their support.
6917
69181496
691901:17:22,722 --> 01:17:24,140
6920Thank you.
6921
69221497
692301:17:24,223 --> 01:17:26,809
6924Uh, before we begin,
6925I would like to remind members
6926
69271498
692801:17:26,893 --> 01:17:29,395
6929not to discuss classified topics
6930
69311499
693201:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,483
6933or ask questions which require
6934a classified answer.
6935
69361500
693701:17:33,566 --> 01:17:36,444
6938With that said,
6939I turn to Senator Udall.
6940
69411501
694201:17:36,527 --> 01:17:38,446
6943Ms. Krass,
6944nice to see you again.
6945
69461502
694701:17:38,529 --> 01:17:40,239
6948We had a chance
6949to sit down last week
6950
69511503
695201:17:40,323 --> 01:17:41,616
6953and discuss the Senate's study
6954
69551504
695601:17:41,699 --> 01:17:43,993
6957on the Detention
6958and Interrogation Program.
6959
69601505
696101:17:44,077 --> 01:17:49,415
6962You told me you found the study
6963to be hard reading.
6964
69651506
696601:17:49,499 --> 01:17:51,459
6967Also, last week,
6968a number of articles appeared
6969
69701507
697101:17:51,542 --> 01:17:53,503
6972discussing
6973the one-year anniversary
6974
69751508
697601:17:53,586 --> 01:17:55,505
6977of the vote to approve
6978the committee's study.
6979
69801509
698101:17:55,588 --> 01:17:57,548
6982And in one of those articles,
6983
69841510
698501:17:57,632 --> 01:18:01,469
6986the CIA claimed to have found
6987significant errors.
6988
69891511
699001:18:01,552 --> 01:18:04,555
6991Now, I got to tell you, I don't
6992believe that is accurate.
6993
69941512
699501:18:04,639 --> 01:18:07,767
6996In fact,
6997I'm more confident than ever
6998
69991513
700001:18:07,850 --> 01:18:11,771
7001in the factual accuracy
7002of the committee's study.
7003
70041514
700501:18:11,854 --> 01:18:16,025
7006I'm more confident than ever.
7007
70081515
700901:18:17,276 --> 01:18:19,445
7010It appears that the CIA
7011performed their own study
7012
70131516
701401:18:19,529 --> 01:18:24,033
7015of the EIT program, initiated
7016by former Director Panetta.
7017
70181517
701901:18:24,117 --> 01:18:26,452
7020And the findings
7021
70221518
702301:18:26,536 --> 01:18:28,871
7024in that review
7025are entirely consistent
7026
70271519
702801:18:28,955 --> 01:18:33,167
7029with our committee's report,
7030but amazingly conflicts with
7031
70321520
703301:18:33,251 --> 01:18:35,336
7034the CIA's official response
7035to that report.
7036
70371521
703801:18:38,172 --> 01:18:41,634
7039So, why is a review
7040the CIA conducted internally,
7041
70421522
704301:18:41,717 --> 01:18:45,680
7044and never revealed to Congress,
7045so different from
7046
70471523
704801:18:45,763 --> 01:18:49,350
7049the CIA's formal response
7050to the committee's report?
7051
70521524
705301:18:49,434 --> 01:18:51,644
7054Do you have an answer for that?
7055
70561525
705701:18:52,395 --> 01:18:56,065
7058Um, not at this time.
7059
70601526
706101:19:01,446 --> 01:19:04,490
7062If I wanted the public to know
7063about the Panetta review,
7064
70651527
706601:19:04,574 --> 01:19:06,159
7067I would have told them myself.
7068
70691528
707001:19:06,242 --> 01:19:07,743
7071We hear that the Republicans
7072
70731529
707401:19:07,827 --> 01:19:09,304
7075are gonna censure Udall
7076for that performance.
7077
70781530
707901:19:09,328 --> 01:19:10,806
7080But the review proves our point.
7081
70821531
708301:19:10,830 --> 01:19:12,373
7084They found
7085the same things we did.
7086
70871532
708801:19:12,457 --> 01:19:14,500
7089The Agency didn't know
7090how or where to hold people,
7091
70921533
709301:19:14,584 --> 01:19:16,210
7094didn't know
7095how to interrogate people,
7096
70971534
709801:19:16,294 --> 01:19:18,588
7099and, more importantly,
7100the CIA did give it to us.
7101
71021535
710301:19:18,671 --> 01:19:21,007
7104I don't know
7105if it was an accident
7106
71071536
710801:19:21,090 --> 01:19:22,550
7109or it was a whistle-blower.
7110
71111537
711201:19:22,633 --> 01:19:24,093
7113Well, if it was
7114a whistle-blower,
7115
71161538
711701:19:24,177 --> 01:19:26,554
7118you may have just exposed them.
7119
71201539
712101:19:26,637 --> 01:19:28,848
7122Not to mention yourself.
7123
71241540
712501:20:25,863 --> 01:20:27,949
7126We got something here.
7127
71281541
712901:20:28,032 --> 01:20:29,951
7130The director
7131has asked me here today
7132
71331542
713401:20:30,034 --> 01:20:32,411
7135in my capacity
7136as Agency legal counsel.
7137
71381543
713901:20:32,495 --> 01:20:36,999
7140What we have to discuss
7141has serious implications.
7142
71431544
714401:20:37,083 --> 01:20:38,209
7145All right.
7146
71471545
714801:20:38,292 --> 01:20:39,728
7149We have proof that the staff
7150
71511546
715201:20:39,752 --> 01:20:41,420
7153of the Senate
7154Intelligence Committee
7155
71561547
715701:20:41,504 --> 01:20:44,006
7158illegally gained access
7159to the CIA's computer network
7160
71611548
716201:20:44,090 --> 01:20:46,008
7163and obtained
7164classified documents.
7165
71661549
716701:20:47,093 --> 01:20:48,261
7168What kind of proof?
7169
71701550
717101:20:48,344 --> 01:20:50,012
7172We found the document
7173in question
7174
71751551
717601:20:50,096 --> 01:20:52,014
7177on Daniel Jones's computer.
7178
71791552
718001:20:52,098 --> 01:20:55,226
7181We did not provide it to him
7182or to the committee.
7183
71841553
718501:20:55,309 --> 01:20:59,188
7186If he didn't hack us,
7187how did it get there?
7188
71891554
719001:20:59,272 --> 01:21:02,817
7191We feel that Jones and his team
7192need to be disciplined.
7193
71941555
719501:21:04,527 --> 01:21:06,571
7196Immediate dismissal is in order,
7197
71981556
719901:21:06,654 --> 01:21:09,115
7200at a minimum, I would think.
7201
72021557
720301:21:10,700 --> 01:21:14,662
7204John, are you saying that you
7205broke into the computer system
7206
72071558
720801:21:14,745 --> 01:21:16,414
7209of the United States Senate?
7210
72111559
721201:21:16,497 --> 01:21:18,257
7213We never gave you clearance
7214on that document.
7215
72161560
721701:21:18,291 --> 01:21:22,044
7218It was classified, yet
7219you chose to make it public.
7220
72211561
722201:21:22,128 --> 01:21:23,730
7223We've made our investigation
7224and our findings
7225
72261562
722701:21:23,754 --> 01:21:24,839
7228known to the White House.
7229
72301563
723101:21:24,922 --> 01:21:27,675
7232You're fucking kidding me.
7233
72341564
723501:21:29,093 --> 01:21:30,928
7236They're saying I broke into
7237
72381565
723901:21:31,012 --> 01:21:34,015
7240the most top secret
7241computer system in the world?
7242
72431566
724401:21:34,098 --> 01:21:36,183
7245- Brennan and Eastman came over...
7246- Eastman?
7247
72481567
724901:21:36,267 --> 01:21:38,161
7250Eastman's name is in the report
7251over a thousand times.
7252
72531568
725401:21:38,185 --> 01:21:40,605
7255- That's not a conflict?
7256- Dan.
7257
72581569
725901:21:40,688 --> 01:21:43,441
7260They filed a criminal referral
7261against you.
7262
72631570
726401:21:43,524 --> 01:21:45,901
7265They want you gone.
7266
72671571
726801:21:48,904 --> 01:21:51,574
7269H-How did the Agency
7270come to the conclusion
7271
72721572
727301:21:51,657 --> 01:21:52,825
7274that I'm a hacker?
7275
72761573
727701:21:52,908 --> 01:21:54,708
7278H-How do they even know
7279what's on my computer?
7280
72811574
728201:21:54,744 --> 01:21:56,495
7283They say
7284they conducted a search.
7285
72861575
728701:21:56,579 --> 01:21:58,039
7288Of the United States Senate?
7289
72901576
729101:21:58,122 --> 01:21:59,933
7292The whole reason
7293this committee was established
7294
72951577
729601:21:59,957 --> 01:22:01,876
7297in the first place
7298was to stop the CIA
7299
73001578
730101:22:01,959 --> 01:22:03,252
7302from spying on U.S. citizens.
7303
73041579
730501:22:03,336 --> 01:22:04,938
7306The senator is talking
7307to Harry Reid about
7308
73091580
731001:22:04,962 --> 01:22:06,690
7311- that very thing...
7312- Did they go into that room?
7313
73141581
731501:22:06,714 --> 01:22:08,609
7316That room is off-limits. Did
7317they go into that fucking room?
7318
73191582
732001:22:08,633 --> 01:22:10,301
7321I don't know.
7322
73231583
732401:22:11,636 --> 01:22:13,262
7325I don't know.
7326
73271584
732801:22:14,889 --> 01:22:17,433
7329I do know that the Republicans
7330are gonna run with this.
7331
73321585
733301:22:17,516 --> 01:22:19,477
7334They're gonna use it
7335to discredit the report.
7336
73371586
733801:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,937
7339They're gonna
7340use it to discredit you.
7341
73421587
734301:22:23,606 --> 01:22:26,067
7344Dan, they're accusing you
7345of breaking the law.
7346
73471588
734801:22:26,150 --> 01:22:27,735
7349You're gonna need a lawyer.
7350
73511589
735201:22:32,782 --> 01:22:34,992
7353There's a saying at the Agency:
7354
73551590
735601:22:35,076 --> 01:22:36,369
7357"Admit nothing,
7358
73591591
736001:22:36,452 --> 01:22:38,537
7361deny everything,
7362make counteraccusations."
7363
73641592
736501:22:38,621 --> 01:22:40,748
7366That's what they're doing.
7367
73681593
736901:22:40,831 --> 01:22:42,708
7370The CIA is
7371investigating you for...
7372
73731594
737401:22:42,792 --> 01:22:44,936
7375They're the ones who
7376should be investigated, not me.
7377
73781595
737901:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,546
7380Mr. Jones?
7381Mr. Clifford will see you now.
7382
73831596
738401:22:47,630 --> 01:22:49,173
7385Our computer system
7386
73871597
738801:22:49,256 --> 01:22:52,051
7389isn't even connected
7390to the CIA mainframe.
7391
73921598
739301:22:52,134 --> 01:22:53,844
7394So did I just go over to Langley
7395
73961599
739701:22:53,928 --> 01:22:55,096
7398and break in on a weekend?
7399
74001600
740101:22:55,179 --> 01:22:56,972
7402Seems unlikely.
7403
74041601
740501:22:57,056 --> 01:22:58,974
7406So what evidence do they have?
7407
74081602
740901:22:59,058 --> 01:23:01,060
7410A document.
7411
74121603
741301:23:02,144 --> 01:23:04,480
7414A document?
7415What kind of a document?
7416
74171604
741801:23:07,274 --> 01:23:08,984
7419I can't tell you that.
7420
74211605
742201:23:09,068 --> 01:23:12,029
7423Because, what, it's classified?
7424
74251606
742601:23:12,113 --> 01:23:14,198
7427I was tasked
7428to lead an investigation
7429
74301607
743101:23:14,281 --> 01:23:16,701
7432into a CIA program
7433they started after 9/11,
7434
74351608
743601:23:16,784 --> 01:23:19,036
7437what they called
7438enhanced interrogation.
7439
74401609
744101:23:19,120 --> 01:23:23,124
7442And I assume your work
7443is critical of the Agency?
7444
74451610
744601:23:25,501 --> 01:23:27,795
7447You know, Dan, a lot of people
7448in this country
7449
74501611
745101:23:27,878 --> 01:23:29,505
7452felt the CIA was
7453justified in doing
7454
74551612
745601:23:29,588 --> 01:23:31,465
7457whatever they had to do
7458to keep us safe.
7459
74601613
746101:23:31,549 --> 01:23:33,801
7462I have friends
7463who lost people that day.
7464
74651614
746601:23:33,884 --> 01:23:36,470
7467And a lot of people watch 24
7468on Thursday nights
7469
74701615
747101:23:36,554 --> 01:23:38,139
7472and hear Jack Bauer say,
7473
74741616
747501:23:38,222 --> 01:23:39,822
7476"I don't want to bypass
7477the Constitution,
7478
74791617
748001:23:39,849 --> 01:23:41,559
7481but these are
7482extraordinary circumstances,"
7483
74841618
748501:23:41,642 --> 01:23:43,978
7486just before, you know,
7487he s-sticks a knife in them
7488
74891619
749001:23:44,061 --> 01:23:45,604
7491and makes them give up a plot.
7492
74931620
749401:23:45,688 --> 01:23:47,606
7495It-it doesn't work that way.
7496
74971621
749801:23:48,691 --> 01:23:52,027
7499Well, as Winston Churchill said,
7500
75011622
750201:23:52,111 --> 01:23:55,030
7503"History is written
7504by the victors."
7505
75061623
750701:23:57,116 --> 01:23:59,452
7508Churchill didn't really
7509say that; Hermann Goring did.
7510
75111624
751201:23:59,535 --> 01:24:01,829
7513And what he said was,
7514"We will go down in history"
7515
75161625
751701:24:01,912 --> 01:24:03,706
7518either as the world's
7519greatest statesmen
7520
75211626
752201:24:03,789 --> 01:24:05,374
7523"or its worst villains."
7524
75251627
752601:24:05,458 --> 01:24:08,753
7527So your report is
7528gonna determine that:
7529
75301628
753101:24:08,836 --> 01:24:10,504
7532statesmen or villains?
7533
75341629
753501:24:14,049 --> 01:24:17,595
7536How long have you been
7537working on this project, Dan?
7538
75391630
754001:24:17,678 --> 01:24:19,805
7541Five years.
7542
75431631
754401:24:19,889 --> 01:24:22,683
7545Five years,
7546and it could all go away,
7547
75481632
754901:24:22,767 --> 01:24:26,395
7550just vanish in the face
7551of these allegations.
7552
75531633
755401:24:26,479 --> 01:24:27,897
7555I can certainly imagine
7556
75571634
755801:24:27,980 --> 01:24:30,608
7559an ambitious young man
7560like yourself spends years
7561
75621635
756301:24:30,691 --> 01:24:33,861
7564with his head buried
7565in some terrible spectacle,
7566
75671636
756801:24:33,944 --> 01:24:36,071
7569gets frustrated
7570with the process,
7571
75721637
757301:24:36,155 --> 01:24:38,908
7574sees an opportunity
7575to get the truth out faster,
7576
75771638
757801:24:38,991 --> 01:24:40,242
7579maybe crosses a line.
7580
75811639
758201:24:40,326 --> 01:24:41,970
7583I'm assuming this is
7584the most important thing
7585
75861640
758701:24:41,994 --> 01:24:43,805
7588- you've ever been a part of.
7589- I didn't do it.
7590
75911641
759201:24:43,829 --> 01:24:45,456
7593Or I can see
7594an equally ambitious senator
7595
75961642
759701:24:45,539 --> 01:24:46,808
7598encouraging you to do something.
7599
76001643
760101:24:46,832 --> 01:24:48,501
7602Now would be
7603a good time to tell me.
7604
76051644
760601:24:48,584 --> 01:24:49,919
7607That did not happen.
7608
76091645
761001:24:50,002 --> 01:24:51,796
7611What I did, I did on my own.
7612I acted alone.
7613
76141646
761501:24:51,879 --> 01:24:53,690
7616- So you did steal the document?
7617- I did not steal it.
7618
76191647
762001:24:53,714 --> 01:24:55,066
7621- You needed it to...
7622- I relocated it.
7623
76241648
762501:24:55,090 --> 01:24:56,175
7626I put it in a safe.
7627
76281649
762901:24:56,258 --> 01:24:58,302
7630If they had a way
7631of destroying tapes,
7632
76331650
763401:24:58,385 --> 01:24:59,905
7635- then surely they could get...
7636- Everyone has their own words.
7637
76381651
763901:24:59,929 --> 01:25:01,597
7640The language is built
7641to choose sides.
7642
76431652
764401:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,974
7645Now, why did you relocate it?
7646
76471653
764801:25:08,270 --> 01:25:10,856
7649Documents had a way of
7650disappearing off the server.
7651
76521654
765301:25:10,940 --> 01:25:14,443
7654For instance, in 2010,
7655over 800 documents
7656
76571655
765801:25:14,527 --> 01:25:17,488
7659just vanished
7660without any explanation.
7661
76621656
766301:25:17,571 --> 01:25:20,199
7664So you had computer issues
7665all along.
7666
76671657
766801:25:21,367 --> 01:25:23,160
7669Who else knew
7670what was on the computers?
7671
76721658
767301:25:23,244 --> 01:25:25,996
7674Well, the CIA hired an outside
7675firm to vet the documents:
7676
76771659
767801:25:27,414 --> 01:25:29,333
7679And CACI was also involved.
7680
76811660
768201:25:29,416 --> 01:25:31,210
7683- Who are they?
7684- Contractors.
7685
76861661
768701:25:31,293 --> 01:25:33,087
7688But Jim Pavitt
7689is on their board.
7690
76911662
769201:25:34,630 --> 01:25:37,007
7693Former deputy director
7694of operations for the CIA,
7695
76961663
769701:25:37,091 --> 01:25:40,261
7698Jim Pavitt, during the program,
7699Jim Pavitt.
7700
77011664
770201:25:40,344 --> 01:25:42,179
7703And is he named in the report?
7704
77051665
770601:25:43,472 --> 01:25:44,765
7707Can't tell me.
7708
77091666
771001:25:46,016 --> 01:25:48,727
7711So they can't destroy
7712the document.
7713
77141667
771501:25:48,811 --> 01:25:51,897
7716Then they can go after
7717THE NEXT BEST THING: you.
7718
77191668
772001:25:51,981 --> 01:25:54,108
7721Make you a zealot.
7722
77231669
772401:25:54,191 --> 01:25:57,278
7725Anything you touch is tainted.
7726
77271670
772801:25:57,361 --> 01:25:59,780
7729I could see the Agency saying
7730that this is a violation
7731
77321671
773301:25:59,864 --> 01:26:04,577
7734of the Espionage Act, the...
7735Computer Fraud and Abuse Act,
7736
77371672
773801:26:04,660 --> 01:26:06,871
7739uh, who knows what else.
7740
77411673
774201:26:06,954 --> 01:26:08,873
7743And if they file
7744a charge against me,
7745
77461674
774701:26:08,956 --> 01:26:10,749
7748how long could I go away for?
7749
77501675
775101:26:10,833 --> 01:26:13,836
7752I don't know.
775320 years, maybe more.
7754
77551676
775601:26:23,929 --> 01:26:27,474
7757I did not hack into
7758the CIA computer system.
7759
77601677
776101:26:29,476 --> 01:26:33,480
7762I mean, my com... my computer
7763skills stop at Microsoft Word.
7764
77651678
776601:26:33,564 --> 01:26:35,274
7767They probably know that.
7768
77691679
777001:26:36,942 --> 01:26:39,194
7771How much does
7772a Senate staffer make?
7773
77741680
777501:26:39,278 --> 01:26:41,030
7776At my level?
7777About-about a hundred grand.
7778
77791681
778001:26:41,113 --> 01:26:43,657
7781Any retirement, savings,
7782family money?
7783
77841682
778501:26:43,741 --> 01:26:45,951
7786No.
7787
77881683
778901:26:46,035 --> 01:26:48,454
7790So, we should discuss
7791my retainer.
7792
77931684
779401:26:48,537 --> 01:26:50,915
7795- How much is that?
7796- $30,000 to start.
7797
77981685
779901:26:50,998 --> 01:26:53,584
7800And if it goes to trial,
7801add a zero.
7802
78031686
780401:26:55,336 --> 01:26:56,795
7805Nothing could make them happier
7806
78071687
780801:26:56,879 --> 01:26:59,298
7809than knowing you're
7810sitting here talking to me.
7811
78121688
781301:26:59,381 --> 01:27:00,925
7814That's what they want, Dan.
7815
78161689
781701:27:01,008 --> 01:27:05,179
7818Make you bleed money
7819all over my floor.
7820
78211690
782201:27:05,262 --> 01:27:08,265
7823Do you want my expert opinion,
7824for free?
7825
78261691
782701:27:08,349 --> 01:27:11,769
7828You don't really have
7829a legal problem.
7830
78311692
783201:27:11,852 --> 01:27:14,063
7833You have a sunlight problem.
7834
78351693
783601:27:14,146 --> 01:27:17,775
7837I'm sure you know people
7838who can help you solve it.
7839
78401694
784101:27:31,705 --> 01:27:33,248
7842Daniel Jones.
7843
78441695
784501:27:33,332 --> 01:27:34,768
7846I didn't think
7847you'd ever return my calls.
7848
78491696
785001:27:34,792 --> 01:27:36,232
7851Does your boss know
7852you're talking to
7853
78541697
785501:27:36,293 --> 01:27:38,003
7856a guy with a byline
7857and a tape recorder?
7858
78591698
786001:27:38,087 --> 01:27:39,397
7861There's something going on
7862I think you should look into.
7863
78641699
786501:27:39,421 --> 01:27:41,715
7866It involves the Agency.
7867
78681700
786901:27:43,384 --> 01:27:45,928
7870Okay. Is it that report
7871you've been working on,
7872
78731701
787401:27:46,011 --> 01:27:47,596
7875the one that
7876never quite comes out?
7877
78781702
787901:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,557
7880Computers. It has to do with
7881the hacking of computers.
7882
78831703
788401:27:50,641 --> 01:27:52,977
7885All right, whose?
7886
78871704
788801:27:54,687 --> 01:27:56,939
7889The United States Senate.
7890
78911705
789201:27:57,022 --> 01:27:59,358
7893Someone hacked into the Senate?
7894
78951706
789601:28:01,443 --> 01:28:03,153
7897No shit? Okay.
7898
78991707
790001:28:03,237 --> 01:28:06,240
7901You have any idea if it was
7902foreign or domestic?
7903
79041708
790501:28:06,323 --> 01:28:08,033
7906Uh, all right, yes, you...
7907
79081709
790901:28:08,117 --> 01:28:09,702
7910Sorry, you said
7911it was the Agency.
7912
79131710
791401:28:09,785 --> 01:28:11,787
7915So what-what does the CIA
7916
79171711
791801:28:11,870 --> 01:28:13,306
7919have to do with
7920U.S. Senate computers?
7921
79221712
792301:28:13,330 --> 01:28:14,683
7924Evan, you're the
7925national security reporter
7926
79271713
792801:28:14,707 --> 01:28:15,707
7929for The New York Times.
7930
79311714
793201:28:15,749 --> 01:28:18,460
7933You can figure it out.
7934All right?
7935
79361715
793701:28:21,130 --> 01:28:22,881
7938Hmm.
7939
79401716
794101:28:23,841 --> 01:28:25,050
7942Morning, Senator.
7943
79441717
794501:28:25,134 --> 01:28:26,593
7946You wanted to see me?
7947
79481718
794901:28:26,677 --> 01:28:28,595
7950You know anything about this?
7951
79521719
795301:28:28,679 --> 01:28:33,017
7954"Computer Searches at Center
7955of Dispute on CIA Detentions."
7956
79571720
795801:28:33,100 --> 01:28:34,977
7959You have any idea
7960how that ended up
7961
79621721
796301:28:35,060 --> 01:28:36,895
7964- in The New York Times?
7965- Yeah, I saw that.
7966
79671722
796801:28:36,979 --> 01:28:38,522
7969It looks accurate.
7970
79711723
797201:28:38,605 --> 01:28:41,400
7973Senator McCain is already
7974calling the CIA a rogue agency.
7975
79761724
797701:28:41,483 --> 01:28:42,776
7978What are your thoughts on
7979
79801725
798101:28:42,860 --> 01:28:45,446
7982someone like
7983Edward Snowden, Dan?
7984
79851726
798601:28:45,529 --> 01:28:48,323
7987W-Well, Senator, I know
7988how you feel about leaks.
7989
79901727
799101:28:48,407 --> 01:28:50,993
7992I think he's a traitor,
7993plain and simple.
7994
79951728
799601:28:51,076 --> 01:28:52,828
7997It's my job to provide oversight
7998
79991729
800001:28:52,911 --> 01:28:54,455
8001with the tools of governance,
8002
80031730
800401:28:54,538 --> 01:28:57,416
8005not lights and cameras
8006and headlines.
8007
80081731
800901:29:01,837 --> 01:29:03,714
8010Do you want me to resign?
8011
80121732
801301:29:07,426 --> 01:29:09,261
8014No.
8015
80161733
801701:29:09,344 --> 01:29:12,222
8018But I think I might need you
8019to write me a speech.
8020
80211734
802201:29:16,310 --> 01:29:18,353
8023Senator Feinstein claimed today
8024
80251735
802601:29:18,437 --> 01:29:21,732
8027on the Senate floor
8028that the CIA hacked
8029
80301736
803101:29:21,815 --> 01:29:23,609
8032the Senate Intelligence
8033Committee's computers
8034
80351737
803601:29:23,692 --> 01:29:26,153
8037to thwart an investigation
8038into past practices.
8039
80401738
804101:29:26,236 --> 01:29:27,654
8042Can you respond to that?
8043
80441739
804501:29:27,738 --> 01:29:31,116
8046Well, first,
8047we in no way, shape or form
8048
80491740
805001:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,161
8051tried to thwart
8052the release of the report.
8053
80541741
805501:29:34,244 --> 01:29:36,830
8056Uh, we want that behind us.
8057
80581742
805901:29:36,914 --> 01:29:39,666
8060As far as this allegation
8061that the CIA
8062
80631743
806401:29:39,750 --> 01:29:42,503
8065somehow hacked into
8066the Senate computer system,
8067
80681744
806901:29:42,586 --> 01:29:46,548
8070nothing could be
8071further from the truth.
8072
80731745
807401:29:46,632 --> 01:29:49,009
8075We just wouldn't do that.
8076
80771746
807801:29:49,093 --> 01:29:51,095
8079It's beyond the scope of reason.
8080
80811747
808201:30:01,647 --> 01:30:03,398
8083Thank you.
8084
80851748
808601:30:03,482 --> 01:30:05,192
8087I understand
8088your position, Senator,
8089
80901749
809101:30:05,275 --> 01:30:07,736
8092and I am aware of
8093Director Brennan's comments.
8094
80951750
809601:30:07,820 --> 01:30:09,820
8097Did you hear what Lindsey
8098Graham said this morning,
8099
81001751
810101:30:09,863 --> 01:30:12,741
8102about the Agency
8103breaking into our computers?
8104
81051752
810601:30:12,825 --> 01:30:15,994
8107"The legislative branch
8108should declare war on the CIA.
8109
81101753
811101:30:16,078 --> 01:30:19,665
8112Heads should roll,
8113people should go to jail."
8114
81151754
811601:30:19,748 --> 01:30:23,085
8117Is that what you want?
8118Send people to jail?
8119
81201755
812101:30:23,168 --> 01:30:25,796
8122We do have jails for a reason.
8123
81241756
812501:30:25,879 --> 01:30:28,048
8126The Justice Department
8127investigated the CIA,
8128
81291757
813001:30:28,132 --> 01:30:29,883
8131and they decided
8132not to prosecute.
8133
81341758
813501:30:29,967 --> 01:30:32,177
8136It's their call, not ours.
8137
81381759
813901:30:32,261 --> 01:30:34,638
8140Now, when this administration
8141took office,
8142
81431760
814401:30:34,721 --> 01:30:36,265
8145we faced
8146the very real possibility
8147
81481761
814901:30:36,348 --> 01:30:38,767
8150of economic collapse.
8151
81521762
815301:30:40,394 --> 01:30:42,604
8154Do we spend our political
8155capital on going around
8156
81571763
815801:30:42,688 --> 01:30:45,440
8159trying to find people to blame,
8160or do we solve the problem?
8161
81621764
816301:30:45,524 --> 01:30:47,359
8164Maybe the way
8165to solve the problem
8166
81671765
816801:30:47,442 --> 01:30:49,778
8169is to hold people accountable.
8170
81711766
817201:30:49,862 --> 01:30:52,489
8173Do you ever wonder
8174why history repeats itself?
8175
81761767
817701:30:52,573 --> 01:30:54,116
8178Well, I think maybe it's because
8179
81801768
818101:30:54,199 --> 01:30:55,742
8182we don't always listen
8183the first time.
8184
81851769
818601:30:55,826 --> 01:30:59,204
8187Senator, the people at the
8188Agency... they have families.
8189
81901770
819101:30:59,288 --> 01:31:02,166
8192There are children
8193who might lose a parent.
8194
81951771
819601:31:04,668 --> 01:31:09,173
8197Years ago, some radical group
8198put a bomb in the flower box
8199
82001772
820101:31:09,256 --> 01:31:12,551
8202outside of my daughter's
8203bedroom window, right out here.
8204
82051773
820601:31:12,634 --> 01:31:15,429
8207Had it been any warmer out,
8208it would have exploded.
8209
82101774
821101:31:15,512 --> 01:31:16,889
8212And then there was the time
8213
82141775
821501:31:16,972 --> 01:31:21,018
8216that I found Harvey Milk
8217shot to death in his office.
8218
82191776
822001:31:21,101 --> 01:31:24,062
8221I-I think I'm aware of
8222the risks of public service.
8223
82241777
822501:31:24,146 --> 01:31:27,274
8226President Obama
8227ended the torture program
8228
82291778
823001:31:27,357 --> 01:31:29,735
8231three days after taking office.
8232
82331779
823401:31:29,818 --> 01:31:34,406
8235The EITs, what the CIA did...
8236That is not our mess.
8237
82381780
823901:31:34,489 --> 01:31:35,991
8240No, it's not,
8241
82421781
824301:31:36,074 --> 01:31:39,578
8244but that's not the question
8245we're asking, is it?
8246
82471782
824801:31:39,661 --> 01:31:43,957
8249Who is going to clean it up?
8250
82511783
825201:31:44,041 --> 01:31:45,626
8253So let's do that.
8254
82551784
825601:31:45,709 --> 01:31:50,505
8257Right after Director Brennan
8258apologizes to me and my staff.
8259
82601785
826101:31:52,174 --> 01:31:53,842
8262The inspector general is here.
8263
82641786
826501:31:53,926 --> 01:31:55,636
8266Go ahead in.
8267
82681787
826901:31:55,719 --> 01:31:59,681
8270In regards to the CIA
8271search of Senate computers,
8272
82731788
827401:31:59,765 --> 01:32:01,642
8275we've looked into the matter
8276
82771789
827801:32:01,725 --> 01:32:04,937
8279and have recommended
8280that the Department of Justice
8281
82821790
828301:32:05,020 --> 01:32:06,980
8284begin a criminal investigation.
8285
82861791
828701:32:07,064 --> 01:32:08,064
8288Good.
8289
82901792
829101:32:08,106 --> 01:32:09,816
8292So have we.
8293
82941793
829501:32:09,900 --> 01:32:12,277
8296Dan Jones,
8297lead Senate investigator.
8298
82991794
830001:32:12,361 --> 01:32:14,947
8301Not the Senate staff.
8302
83031795
830401:32:15,030 --> 01:32:16,823
8305The CIA.
8306
83071796
830801:32:16,907 --> 01:32:18,492
8309Us?
8310
83111797
831201:32:18,575 --> 01:32:22,079
8313Are-are you accusing me or
8314my staff of breaking the law?
8315
83161798
831701:32:22,162 --> 01:32:24,289
8318My understanding is
8319that five CIA employees
8320
83211799
832201:32:24,373 --> 01:32:27,125
8323entered a room
8324that was off-limits.
8325
83261800
832701:32:27,209 --> 01:32:28,335
8328On whose orders?
8329
83301801
833101:32:28,418 --> 01:32:30,587
8332Senator Feinstein
8333is right to call this
8334
83351802
833601:32:30,671 --> 01:32:32,714
8337a violation of
8338the separation of powers.
8339
83401803
834101:32:32,798 --> 01:32:37,302
8342The CIA cannot spy
8343on the U.S. Congress.
8344
83451804
834601:32:39,221 --> 01:32:41,765
8347As inspector general,
8348I'm gonna have to launch
8349
83501805
835101:32:41,848 --> 01:32:45,978
8352a full investigation
8353into the Agency's actions.
8354
83551806
835601:33:05,998 --> 01:33:07,374
8357Am I going to jail?
8358
83591807
836001:33:07,457 --> 01:33:09,501
8361No, they're
8362dropping the charges.
8363
83641808
836501:33:09,584 --> 01:33:11,295
8366You're going back to work.
8367
83681809
836901:33:11,378 --> 01:33:14,047
8370Take the most important
8371findings, finish the summary...
8372
83731810
837401:33:14,131 --> 01:33:15,674
8375No more than 400 pages.
8376
83771811
837801:33:15,757 --> 01:33:19,636
8379I'm going to ask the committee
8380to vote to release it.
8381
83821812
838301:33:25,642 --> 01:33:27,477
8384So, you saw they voted.
8385
83861813
838701:33:27,561 --> 01:33:29,062
838811 to three.
8389
83901814
839101:33:29,146 --> 01:33:31,398
8392They want to release
8393an executive summary.
8394
83951815
839601:33:31,481 --> 01:33:33,817
8397That thing goes out,
8398it puts my people in danger,
8399
84001816
840101:33:33,900 --> 01:33:36,695
8402who are out there
8403in a dangerous world today,
8404
84051817
840601:33:36,778 --> 01:33:38,155
8407trying to do their jobs.
8408
84091818
841001:33:38,238 --> 01:33:39,865
8411Pulls the rug
8412out from under them.
8413
84141819
841501:33:39,948 --> 01:33:43,035
8416Anything that you feel
8417puts your people in harm's way
8418
84191820
842001:33:43,118 --> 01:33:44,369
8421stays classified.
8422
84231821
842401:33:44,453 --> 01:33:47,247
8425If-if the Senate puts out
8426
84271822
842801:33:47,331 --> 01:33:49,249
8429a small pile of pages
8430and the press goes nuts,
8431
84321823
843301:33:49,333 --> 01:33:52,419
8434then everybody's gonna want
8435to see a bigger pile of pages.
8436
84371824
843801:33:52,502 --> 01:33:54,880
8439You keep saying the president
8440wants to turn the page.
8441
84421825
844301:33:54,963 --> 01:33:57,049
8444Well, then turn the page.
8445
84461826
844701:33:57,132 --> 01:33:59,426
8448Close the damn book.
8449
84501827
845101:34:05,098 --> 01:34:07,267
8452Senator Feinstein
8453has asked the White House
8454
84551828
845601:34:07,351 --> 01:34:10,645
8457to head up final comments
8458and redactions.
8459
84601829
846101:34:10,729 --> 01:34:13,815
8462She wants us
8463right in the middle of it.
8464
84651830
846601:34:13,899 --> 01:34:15,192
8467And?
8468
84691831
847001:34:15,275 --> 01:34:19,112
8471And I think that's exactly
8472where you want us.
8473
84741832
847501:34:19,196 --> 01:34:21,365
8476You'll have the pen.
8477
84781833
847901:34:23,283 --> 01:34:24,826
8480Leadership specified
8481
84821834
848301:34:24,910 --> 01:34:27,162
8484that we should redact
8485anything that could result in
8486
84871835
848801:34:27,245 --> 01:34:28,914
8489legal exposure
8490for officers in the field,
8491
84921836
849301:34:28,997 --> 01:34:30,916
8494past or present.
8495
84961837
849701:34:30,999 --> 01:34:35,045
8498Basically, if there's
8499any questions, black it out.
8500
85011838
850201:34:40,842 --> 01:34:43,011
8503You see this?
8504
85051839
850601:34:51,019 --> 01:34:52,604
8507What the...
8508
85091840
851001:34:52,687 --> 01:34:54,981
8511fuck is this?
8512
85131841
851401:34:58,485 --> 01:34:59,921
8515Good afternoon. Where's Marcy?
8516
85171842
851801:34:59,945 --> 01:35:01,029
8519Conference room.
8520
85211843
852201:35:01,113 --> 01:35:02,739
8523Early the next week.
8524
85251844
852601:35:02,823 --> 01:35:05,033
8527Wednesday.
8528
85291845
853001:35:05,117 --> 01:35:06,410
8531Yeah, that'll work.
8532
85331846
853401:35:06,493 --> 01:35:09,204
8535And you get me the agenda.
8536Thank you.
8537
85381847
853901:35:11,706 --> 01:35:13,375
8540Imagine you pick up a book,
8541
85421848
854301:35:13,458 --> 01:35:16,420
8544and "blank" turns water
8545into wine on page 237,
8546
85471849
854801:35:16,503 --> 01:35:19,297
8549and on page 71
8550"blank" heals a leper,
8551
85521850
855301:35:19,381 --> 01:35:22,676
8554and on page 295
8555"blank" rises from the dead.
8556
85571851
855801:35:22,759 --> 01:35:25,053
8559How do you know the blanks
8560are all the same person?
8561
85621852
856301:35:25,137 --> 01:35:27,722
8564I thought that the CIA
8565agreed to using pseudonyms.
8566
85671853
856801:35:27,806 --> 01:35:30,600
8569They did, but now even
8570the fake names are gone.
8571
85721854
857301:35:30,684 --> 01:35:33,061
8574And the dates.
8575
85761855
857701:35:34,980 --> 01:35:36,857
8578The entire story is gone.
8579
85801856
858101:35:44,281 --> 01:35:47,200
8582I hope you took
8583your strong pills today.
8584
85851857
858601:35:48,827 --> 01:35:51,455
8587Isn't it enough
8588to know what actually happened?
8589
85901858
859101:35:51,538 --> 01:35:53,999
8592Do we need to know the names
8593of the people involved?
8594
85951859
859601:35:54,082 --> 01:35:55,792
8597But the actual names
8598aren't in the report.
8599
86001860
860101:35:55,876 --> 01:35:57,836
8602Someone could figure out
8603who our people are
8604
86051861
860601:35:57,919 --> 01:35:59,004
8607based on their pseudonyms.
8608
86091862
861001:35:59,087 --> 01:36:00,922
8611You know, I found
8612a photo of my husband
8613
86141863
861501:36:01,006 --> 01:36:02,924
8616on the Internet
8617linking him to me.
8618
86191864
862001:36:03,008 --> 01:36:04,468
8621Secrecy is very hard
8622to maintain.
8623
86241865
862501:36:04,551 --> 01:36:06,279
8626I believe you introduced
8627your husband publicly
8628
86291866
863001:36:06,303 --> 01:36:07,637
8631at your confirmation hearing.
8632
86331867
863401:36:07,721 --> 01:36:08,722
8635It was on C-SPAN.
8636
86371868
863801:36:08,805 --> 01:36:10,265
8639Some of these people...
8640
86411869
864201:36:10,348 --> 01:36:12,392
8643They are out there
8644in the world, right now.
8645
86461870
864701:36:12,476 --> 01:36:13,477
8648Yes, they are.
8649
86501871
865101:36:13,560 --> 01:36:15,103
8652There's an officer
8653from Alec Station
8654
86551872
865601:36:15,187 --> 01:36:17,230
8657mentioned 41 times in 500 pages.
8658
86591873
866001:36:17,314 --> 01:36:19,232
8661In 1998, her team
8662missed the bombing
8663
86641874
866501:36:19,316 --> 01:36:22,027
8666of the U.S. embassy
8667in Kenya and Tanzania.
8668
86691875
867001:36:22,110 --> 01:36:23,403
86711999, they missed the bombing
8672
86731876
867401:36:23,487 --> 01:36:25,238
8675of the Marriott Hotel
8676in Islamabad.
8677
86781877
867901:36:25,322 --> 01:36:28,909
8680In 2000, she was made aware
8681of two Al Qaeda operatives
8682
86831878
868401:36:28,992 --> 01:36:30,744
8685who arrived in Los Angeles.
8686
86871879
868801:36:30,827 --> 01:36:32,430
8689FBI officers, working within
8690the bin Laden unit,
8691
86921880
869301:36:32,454 --> 01:36:33,914
8694requested permission
8695to investigate.
8696
86971881
869801:36:33,997 --> 01:36:35,624
8699That's not how
8700we want to play it.
8701
87021882
870301:36:35,707 --> 01:36:38,043
8704The CIA knew
8705they were on American soil
8706
87071883
870801:36:38,126 --> 01:36:39,961
8709and didn't do anything.
8710
87111884
871201:36:40,045 --> 01:36:42,297
8713Al-Mihdhar then left the States
8714to play a key role
8715
87161885
871701:36:42,380 --> 01:36:43,924
8718in the bombing of the USS Cole,
8719
87201886
872101:36:44,007 --> 01:36:47,010
8722before returning to hijack
8723Flight 77 with al-Hazmi
8724
87251887
872601:36:47,093 --> 01:36:48,678
8727and crash into the Pentagon.
8728
87291888
873001:36:48,762 --> 01:36:51,097
8731And you want to
8732protect this person's identity.
8733
87341889
873501:36:51,181 --> 01:36:52,641
8736We'd also like to redact
8737
87381890
873901:36:52,724 --> 01:36:54,309
8740the pseudonyms
8741of the contractors.
8742
87431891
874401:36:54,392 --> 01:36:58,021
8745Dr. Mitchell was already quoted
8746by name in The New Yorker.
8747
87481892
874901:36:58,104 --> 01:37:00,815
8750He was handing out brochures
8751at professional conferences
8752
87531893
875401:37:00,899 --> 01:37:03,026
8755telling people
8756he worked for the CIA.
8757
87581894
875901:37:03,109 --> 01:37:05,695
8760If we are protecting
8761the identities of CIA staff,
8762
87631895
876401:37:05,779 --> 01:37:08,031
8765we need to protect
8766our contractors as well.
8767
87681896
876901:37:08,114 --> 01:37:10,325
8770Mitchell and Jessen were given
8771a contract by the Agency
8772
87731897
877401:37:10,408 --> 01:37:11,952
8775for a program that didn't work.
8776
87771898
877801:37:12,035 --> 01:37:13,755
8779The CIA also agreed
8780to a five million dollar
8781
87821899
878301:37:13,828 --> 01:37:16,706
8784indemnification clause
8785for their company that covered,
8786
87871900
878801:37:16,790 --> 01:37:19,876
8789among other expenses,
8790criminal prosecution.
8791
87921901
879301:37:19,960 --> 01:37:23,338
8794You know, I kept
8795the rag we used on KSM.
8796
87971902
879801:37:23,421 --> 01:37:27,217
8799You should eBay that bad boy
8800when this is all over.
8801
88021903
880301:37:27,300 --> 01:37:30,053
8804Make a mint.
8805
88061904
880701:37:30,136 --> 01:37:31,888
8808An internal CIA memo concluded
8809
88101905
881101:37:31,972 --> 01:37:34,724
8812that Mitchell and Jessen "have
8813both shown blatant disregard"
8814
88151906
881601:37:34,808 --> 01:37:38,562
8817for the ethics shared by almost
8818all of their colleagues."
8819
88201907
882101:37:38,645 --> 01:37:41,439
8822The pseudonyms for
8823the contractors need to stay.
8824
88251908
882601:37:43,775 --> 01:37:45,419
8827Guys, we've been
8828at this for months.
8829
88301909
883101:37:45,443 --> 01:37:46,796
8832What about the
8833locations of the black sites?
8834
88351910
883601:37:46,820 --> 01:37:48,238
8837The country names?
8838
88391911
884001:37:48,321 --> 01:37:49,549
8841We made commitments
8842to those countries
8843
88441912
884501:37:49,573 --> 01:37:50,782
8846to maintain their secrecy.
8847
88481913
884901:37:50,865 --> 01:37:52,242
8850No country names.
8851
88521914
885301:37:52,325 --> 01:37:53,827
8854Not open to negotiating
8855these points.
8856
88571915
885801:37:53,910 --> 01:37:56,371
8859We need to consider
8860the morale of the CIA here.
8861
88621916
886301:37:56,454 --> 01:37:57,914
8864Now, we-we publish this report,
8865
88661917
886701:37:57,998 --> 01:38:00,458
8868- there's a very good chance we could lose them.
8869- Lose them?
8870
88711918
887201:38:00,542 --> 01:38:02,127
8873What does that mean?
8874
88751919
887601:38:02,210 --> 01:38:04,146
8877What about the morale
8878of all the people at the Agency
8879
88801920
888101:38:04,170 --> 01:38:05,481
8882who spoke out
8883against the program?
8884
88851921
888601:38:05,505 --> 01:38:06,840
8887What about them?
8888
88891922
889001:38:06,923 --> 01:38:08,925
8891People who sent cables back
8892from black sites
8893
88941923
889501:38:09,009 --> 01:38:10,552
8896saying they wanted
8897to be transferred
8898
88991924
890001:38:10,635 --> 01:38:12,613
8901because they were disgusted by
8902what was being done.
8903
89041925
890501:38:12,637 --> 01:38:13,972
8906All right, uh, look.
8907
89081926
890901:38:14,055 --> 01:38:15,974
8910We have... Dan more than anyone...
8911
89121927
891301:38:16,057 --> 01:38:18,310
8914Have worked to uncover
8915the truth about this
8916
89171928
891801:38:18,393 --> 01:38:19,644
8919when no one else would.
8920
89211929
892201:38:19,728 --> 01:38:21,813
8923We will not allow this
8924to be covered up
8925
89261930
892701:38:21,896 --> 01:38:23,106
8928by the executive branch.
8929
89301931
893101:38:23,189 --> 01:38:24,816
8932President Obama
8933called it torture.
8934
89351932
893601:38:24,899 --> 01:38:26,401
8937Bush and Cheney
8938wouldn't do that.
8939
89401933
894101:38:26,484 --> 01:38:30,071
8942He signed an executive order
8943getting rid of it.
8944
89451934
894601:38:30,155 --> 01:38:31,531
8947Now, just imagine, God forbid,
8948
89491935
895001:38:31,615 --> 01:38:33,950
8951there's another
8952terrorist attack on our watch.
8953
89541936
895501:38:34,034 --> 01:38:35,910
8956There won't be another Democrat
8957
89581937
895901:38:35,994 --> 01:38:38,079
8960in the White House for 20 years.
8961
89621938
896301:38:38,163 --> 01:38:40,248
8964I'd also like
8965to talk about the redactions
8966
89671939
896801:38:40,332 --> 01:38:42,417
8969concerning KSM.
8970
89711940
897201:38:42,500 --> 01:38:44,878
8973Cory Gardner,
8974the Republican challenger,
8975
89761941
897701:38:44,961 --> 01:38:46,755
8978will be the next
8979United States senator
8980
89811942
898201:38:46,838 --> 01:38:48,214
8983from the state of Colorado,
8984
89851943
898601:38:48,298 --> 01:38:50,884
8987defeating the Democratic
8988incumbent, Mark Udall.
8989
89901944
899101:38:50,967 --> 01:38:53,928
8992A major, major win
8993for the Republicans.
8994
89951945
899601:38:54,012 --> 01:38:56,097
8997Chris Frates is standing by
8998in Colorado.
8999
90001946
900101:38:56,181 --> 01:38:58,350
9002This is huge
9003for, uh, Colorado, Wolf.
9004
90051947
900601:38:58,433 --> 01:39:01,478
9007This is the first time
9008a Republican has won
9009
90101948
901101:39:01,561 --> 01:39:04,981
9012the Senate race state-wide
9013in Colorado since 2002.
9014
90151949
901601:39:05,065 --> 01:39:06,650
9017Big night for Colorado,
9018
90191950
902001:39:06,733 --> 01:39:09,944
9021and a big night for control
9022of the United States Senate.
9023
90241951
902501:39:12,822 --> 01:39:14,991
9026She's expecting you.
9027
90281952
902901:39:15,075 --> 01:39:17,410
9030So, I just got a call
9031
90321953
903301:39:17,494 --> 01:39:20,121
9034from Secretary of State Kerry.
9035
90361954
903701:39:20,205 --> 01:39:23,249
9038He thinks that,
9039with the release of the report,
9040
90411955
904201:39:23,333 --> 01:39:27,128
9043that the coalition against ISIL
9044could collapse.
9045
90461956
904701:39:27,212 --> 01:39:29,130
9048Isn't that a bit convenient?
9049
90501957
905101:39:29,214 --> 01:39:30,840
9052- He calls you just before...
9053- Dan.
9054
90551958
905601:39:30,924 --> 01:39:33,843
9057Wh-Where did Kerry get
9058his intel on this? The CIA?
9059
90601959
906101:39:33,927 --> 01:39:37,138
9062- Is it credible?
9063- Embassies could be attacked.
9064
90651960
906601:39:37,222 --> 01:39:38,807
9067Hostages could be killed.
9068
90691961
907001:39:38,890 --> 01:39:40,892
9071It's just another stall tactic.
9072
90731962
907401:39:42,519 --> 01:39:45,063
9075He suggested giving the report
9076to the president,
9077
90781963
907901:39:45,146 --> 01:39:48,858
9080so that it could be released
9081later, when hostilities cease.
9082
90831964
908401:39:48,942 --> 01:39:51,820
9085You lose control of the
9086committee in a week, Senator.
9087
90881965
908901:39:51,903 --> 01:39:53,488
9090Yes, I am aware of what happens
9091
90921966
909301:39:53,571 --> 01:39:56,282
9094when the Republicans
9095are in the majority, Dan.
9096
90971967
909801:39:57,826 --> 01:40:01,496
9099Look, I want to get this report
9100out as much as anyone,
9101
91021968
910301:40:01,579 --> 01:40:04,582
9104but I have known him
9105a long time.
9106
91071969
910801:40:04,666 --> 01:40:06,000
9109I tend to believe him.
9110
91111970
911201:40:06,084 --> 01:40:07,752
9113Nobody else is gonna
9114tell this story.
9115
91161971
911701:40:07,836 --> 01:40:09,313
9118- Dan, the senator has a luncheon.
9119- If we stop now,
9120
91211972
912201:40:09,337 --> 01:40:10,714
9123aren't we a part
9124of the cover-up?
9125
91261973
912701:40:10,797 --> 01:40:12,757
9128Strong pills, Senator?
9129
91301974
913101:40:21,349 --> 01:40:24,936
9132I think you should go home
9133and get some rest.
9134
91351975
913601:40:25,019 --> 01:40:26,730
9137You look tired.
9138
91391976
914001:40:26,813 --> 01:40:31,109
9141Marcy, if I could
9142have five minutes.
9143
91441977
914501:40:31,192 --> 01:40:33,153
9146Of course.
9147
91481978
914901:42:11,668 --> 01:42:14,838
9150Did you ever meet a guy
9151called Greg Craig?
9152
91531979
915401:42:16,464 --> 01:42:19,384
9155Just in pa... White House
9156counsel when Obama took office?
9157
91581980
915901:42:19,467 --> 01:42:21,928
9160- Just in passing.
9161- Right.
9162
91631981
916401:42:22,011 --> 01:42:26,224
9165So, right after he got elected,
9166the president asked Craig
9167
91681982
916901:42:26,307 --> 01:42:28,226
9170to come up with a plan
9171to deal with
9172
91731983
917401:42:28,309 --> 01:42:29,894
9175the aftermath
9176of the torture program.
9177
91781984
917901:42:29,978 --> 01:42:33,690
9180So, he got Secretary of Defense
9181Gates, Janet Napolitano,
9182
91831985
918401:42:33,773 --> 01:42:35,942
9185Hillary Clinton...
9186Serious people... in a room,
9187
91881986
918901:42:36,025 --> 01:42:39,445
9190and he asked for
9191their recommendation.
9192
91931987
919401:42:39,529 --> 01:42:42,740
9195- And?
9196- A-And the consensus
9197
91981988
919901:42:42,824 --> 01:42:44,784
9200was that the president
9201should appoint
9202
92031989
920401:42:44,868 --> 01:42:46,619
9205an independent
9206bipartisan commission
9207
92081990
920901:42:46,703 --> 01:42:48,788
9210into interrogations
9211and detainee treatment,
9212
92131991
921401:42:48,872 --> 01:42:51,624
9215like a deep dive into
9216what worked and what didn't
9217
92181992
921901:42:51,708 --> 01:42:54,919
9220and... who was responsible.
9221
92221993
922301:42:55,003 --> 01:42:56,921
9224You know, like what they did
9225after 9/11,
9226
92271994
922801:42:57,005 --> 01:43:00,008
9229and like what you've been
9230trying to do.
9231
92321995
923301:43:00,091 --> 01:43:01,676
9234So why didn't they do that?
9235
92361996
923701:43:01,759 --> 01:43:04,804
9238Well, evidently,
9239the president listened closely
9240
92411997
924201:43:04,888 --> 01:43:06,598
9243to the recommendation.
9244
92451998
924601:43:06,681 --> 01:43:10,727
9247He then thought about it,
9248and then he said no.
9249
92501999
925101:43:10,810 --> 01:43:15,023
9252He'd spent an entire campaign
9253saying he was post-partisan,
9254
92552000
925601:43:15,106 --> 01:43:17,233
9257so going after
9258the Bush administration
9259
92602001
926101:43:17,317 --> 01:43:19,527
9262flew in the face of all that.
9263
92642002
926501:43:19,611 --> 01:43:24,240
9266And right then, everyone in
9267that room changed their minds.
9268
92692003
927001:43:24,324 --> 01:43:28,620
9271No independent commission.
9272
92732004
927401:43:28,703 --> 01:43:31,414
9275Everyone except Craig,
9276
92772005
927801:43:31,497 --> 01:43:34,876
9279because he thought
9280it was too important.
9281
92822006
928301:43:34,959 --> 01:43:36,836
9284You couldn't just
9285torture people,
9286
92872007
928801:43:36,920 --> 01:43:40,924
9289lie about it,
9290and then hide it from history.
9291
92922008
929301:43:41,007 --> 01:43:44,010
9294A few months later,
9295Craig was gone,
9296
92972009
929801:43:44,093 --> 01:43:47,096
9299and this mess
9300wound up with the Senate.
9301
93022010
930301:43:47,180 --> 01:43:48,932
9304And you.
9305
93062011
930701:43:49,015 --> 01:43:51,476
9308Well, the president must have
9309known that, by doing that,
9310
93112012
931201:43:51,559 --> 01:43:53,353
9313he was making it
9314next to impossible.
9315
93162013
931701:43:53,436 --> 01:43:55,980
9318Uh, he came from the Senate.
9319
93202014
932101:43:56,064 --> 01:43:59,025
9322Dan, they sent you off
9323to build a boat,
9324
93252015
932601:43:59,108 --> 01:44:01,194
9327but they had no intention
9328of sailing it.
9329
93302016
933101:44:01,277 --> 01:44:05,156
9332They probably didn't think
9333you'd get as far as you did.
9334
93352017
933601:44:09,369 --> 01:44:11,245
9337Let me ask you a question.
9338
93392018
934001:44:11,329 --> 01:44:15,041
9341If the CIA knew
9342that torture didn't work,
9343
93442019
934501:44:15,124 --> 01:44:17,251
9346why did they continue to do it?
9347
93482020
934901:44:19,003 --> 01:44:21,381
9350After 9/11,
9351everyone was scared...
9352
93532021
935401:44:23,591 --> 01:44:25,093
9355scared it might happen again,
9356
93572022
935801:44:25,176 --> 01:44:27,428
9359and the CIA would be blamed
9360if it did.
9361
93622023
936301:44:27,512 --> 01:44:29,263
9364Or maybe they were ashamed.
9365
93662024
936701:44:29,347 --> 01:44:31,224
9368You know, how come
9369the most sophisticated
9370
93712025
937201:44:31,307 --> 01:44:33,434
9373intelligence organization
9374on Earth
9375
93762026
937701:44:33,518 --> 01:44:35,853
9378couldn't keep
9379its own people safe?
9380
93812027
938201:44:35,937 --> 01:44:38,690
9383But fear and shame don't make
9384for better policy decisions,
9385
93862028
938701:44:38,773 --> 01:44:40,650
9388and the fact that
9389the people who we captured
9390
93912029
939201:44:40,733 --> 01:44:42,986
9393didn't look like us or
9394believe the same things we do
9395
93962030
939701:44:43,069 --> 01:44:45,405
9398made it that much easier
9399to do the things we did.
9400
94012031
940201:44:45,488 --> 01:44:46,864
9403So once the CIA program started,
9404
94052032
940601:44:46,948 --> 01:44:48,384
9407they had to keep
9408telling people it worked,
9409
94102033
941101:44:48,408 --> 01:44:49,492
9412even if it wasn't true.
9413
94142034
941501:44:49,575 --> 01:44:50,952
9416Their own position was that
9417
94182035
941901:44:51,035 --> 01:44:53,413
9420if it didn't work,
9421it was illegal.
9422
94232036
942401:44:53,496 --> 01:44:55,707
9425So they misrepresented
9426the results.
9427
94282037
942901:45:08,094 --> 01:45:13,433
9430If we had your report,
9431we would print it tomorrow.
9432
94332038
943401:45:13,516 --> 01:45:14,851
9435All of it.
9436
94372039
943801:45:16,227 --> 01:45:17,770
9439The senator said
9440she would release
9441
94422040
944301:45:17,854 --> 01:45:19,939
9444- a summary of the report.
9445- Really?
9446
94472041
944801:45:20,023 --> 01:45:22,191
9449Over the objections of the CIA
9450and the White House?
9451
94522042
945301:45:22,275 --> 01:45:23,544
9454You really think
9455that's gonna happen?
9456
94572043
945801:45:23,568 --> 01:45:25,361
9459If I gave it to you,
9460what would happen?
9461
94622044
946301:45:32,827 --> 01:45:34,704
9464Some people will think
9465you're a hero,
9466
94672045
946801:45:34,787 --> 01:45:36,622
9469and some will probably think
9470you're a traitor.
9471
94722046
947301:45:36,706 --> 01:45:39,500
9474Look at Edward Snowden.
9475
94762047
947701:45:48,843 --> 01:45:50,553
9478No. If it's gonna come out,
9479
94802048
948101:45:50,636 --> 01:45:52,472
9482it's gonna come out
9483the right way.
9484
94852049
948601:45:52,555 --> 01:45:54,849
9487What if it doesn't?
9488
94892050
949001:45:54,932 --> 01:45:57,143
9491Then I didn't do my job.
9492
94932051
949401:45:59,937 --> 01:46:01,147
9495I'm sorry.
9496
94972052
949801:46:02,732 --> 01:46:04,108
9499Sorry.
9500
95012053
950201:46:50,947 --> 01:46:52,824
9503So, with the Affordable Care Act
9504
95052054
950601:46:52,907 --> 01:46:54,867
9507behind us, the president
9508would like to begin
9509
95102055
951101:46:54,951 --> 01:46:57,370
9512a serious discussion
9513about immigration reform.
9514
95152056
951601:46:57,453 --> 01:46:59,455
9517Now, obviously
9518we've had some setbacks
9519
95202057
952101:46:59,539 --> 01:47:01,499
9522in both the House
9523and the Senate,
9524
95252058
952601:47:01,582 --> 01:47:05,503
9527uh, so strategy has become
9528paramount... unity as well.
9529
95302059
953101:47:05,586 --> 01:47:08,131
9532So, we would like to, uh,
9533really start talking about...
9534
95352060
953601:47:08,214 --> 01:47:10,049
9537Excuse me, Mr. McDonough.
9538
95392061
954001:47:10,133 --> 01:47:12,552
9541I would like to discuss
9542the report on the CIA
9543
95442062
954501:47:12,635 --> 01:47:14,095
9546and the White House's position.
9547
95482063
954901:47:14,178 --> 01:47:16,764
9550That's not the topic
9551of this particular caucus.
9552
95532064
955401:47:16,848 --> 01:47:18,933
9555Uh, the president
9556would like to discuss...
9557
95582065
955901:47:19,016 --> 01:47:21,435
9560Our country
9561did things the Nazis did,
9562
95632066
956401:47:21,519 --> 01:47:23,938
9565things that made us
9566condemn other regimes.
9567
95682067
956901:47:24,021 --> 01:47:26,732
9570And the position
9571of this administration
9572
95732068
957401:47:26,816 --> 01:47:28,317
9575is to suppress this information,
9576
95772069
957801:47:28,401 --> 01:47:30,278
9579to keep the people
9580who did these things safe?
9581
95822070
958301:47:30,361 --> 01:47:32,196
9584I can assure you that is not
9585
95862071
958701:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,532
9588the position of
9589this administration, Senator.
9590
95912072
959201:47:34,615 --> 01:47:36,576
9593You worked with John Brennan
9594
95952073
959601:47:36,659 --> 01:47:38,286
9597at the
9598National Security Council.
9599
96002074
960101:47:38,369 --> 01:47:41,080
9602Now, I understand that Brennan
9603gave this president
9604
96052075
960601:47:41,164 --> 01:47:43,374
9607his first security briefing
9608when he took office.
9609
96102076
961101:47:43,457 --> 01:47:45,543
9612And now CIA Director Brennan
9613
96142077
961501:47:45,626 --> 01:47:48,713
9616is working closely with the
9617president on the drone program.
9618
96192078
962001:47:48,796 --> 01:47:50,381
9621You know, it's funny.
9622
96232079
962401:47:50,464 --> 01:47:52,133
9625Every time I go over to the CIA,
9626
96272080
962801:47:52,216 --> 01:47:53,819
9629they claim I'm doing
9630the Senate's bidding,
9631
96322081
963301:47:53,843 --> 01:47:55,136
9634and every time I come here,
9635
96362082
963701:47:55,219 --> 01:47:56,655
9638you claim I'm doing
9639the CIA's bidding.
9640
96412083
964201:47:56,679 --> 01:47:59,974
9643I only have a few days left
9644in my term here,
9645
96462084
964701:48:00,057 --> 01:48:04,437
9648and if there isn't a plan to
9649release the report before I go,
9650
96512085
965201:48:04,520 --> 01:48:07,106
9653I'm prepared to read it
9654on the floor of the Senate.
9655
96562086
965701:48:07,190 --> 01:48:08,649
9658And either the White House
9659
96602087
966101:48:08,733 --> 01:48:10,651
9662or the Republicans
9663will have to stop me.
9664
96652088
966601:48:10,735 --> 01:48:12,171
9667What would you have us do?
9668
96692089
967001:48:12,195 --> 01:48:13,714
9671Now, we go after
9672Bush and Cheney on this,
9673
96742090
967501:48:13,738 --> 01:48:15,489
9676what's to prevent
9677the Republicans
9678
96792091
968001:48:15,573 --> 01:48:19,368
9681from coming back at us and
9682trying to repeal health care?
9683
96842092
968501:48:19,452 --> 01:48:22,205
9686Uh, we go after the CIA,
9687uh, maybe they say,
9688
96892093
969001:48:22,288 --> 01:48:25,249
9691"Okay, well, immigration reform
9692is off the table."
9693
96942094
969501:48:25,333 --> 01:48:27,251
9696Maybe it's gun control.
9697
96982095
969901:48:27,335 --> 01:48:32,340
9700Now, democracy is messy...
9701but let's just think
9702
97032096
970401:48:32,423 --> 01:48:35,134
9705how many countries
9706there are in the world
9707
97082097
970901:48:35,218 --> 01:48:37,261
9710where a report like this
9711could even get done.
9712
97132098
971401:48:41,974 --> 01:48:43,935
9715I would like us to be more than
9716
97172099
971801:48:44,018 --> 01:48:45,561
9719the country that did the report.
9720
97212100
972201:48:45,645 --> 01:48:48,314
9723I'd like us to be the country
9724that made it public.
9725
97262101
972701:48:48,397 --> 01:48:52,026
9728And that is what I intend
9729to see happen.
9730
97312102
973201:48:52,109 --> 01:48:53,986
9733I yield the floor
9734
97352103
973601:48:54,070 --> 01:48:57,531
9737to the senior senator
9738from California.
9739
97402104
974101:49:11,295 --> 01:49:13,214
9742Over the past six years,
9743
97442105
974501:49:13,297 --> 01:49:17,051
9746a small team of investigators
9747pored over more than
9748
97492106
975001:49:17,134 --> 01:49:21,555
97516.3 million pages of CIA records
9752
97532107
975401:49:21,639 --> 01:49:23,891
9755to complete this report.
9756
97572108
975801:49:23,975 --> 01:49:27,937
9759It shows that
9760the CIA's actions a decade ago
9761
97622109
976301:49:28,020 --> 01:49:31,732
9764are a stain on our values
9765and on our history.
9766
97672110
976801:49:31,816 --> 01:49:35,236
9769The release of
9770this 500-page summary
9771
97722111
977301:49:35,319 --> 01:49:37,238
9774cannot remove that stain,
9775
97762112
977701:49:37,321 --> 01:49:41,742
9778but it can and does say
9779to our people and the world
9780
97812113
978201:49:41,826 --> 01:49:45,663
9783that America is big enough
9784to admit when it's wrong
9785
97862114
978701:49:45,746 --> 01:49:49,792
9788and confident enough
9789to learn from its mistakes.
9790
97912115
979201:49:49,875 --> 01:49:53,087
9793Releasing this report is
9794an important step toward
9795
97962116
979701:49:53,170 --> 01:49:56,507
9798restoring our values
9799and showing the world
9800
98012117
980201:49:56,590 --> 01:50:01,053
9803that we are, in fact,
9804a just and lawful society.
9805
98062118
980701:50:01,137 --> 01:50:05,516
9808There are those who will
9809seize upon the report and say,
9810
98112119
981201:50:05,599 --> 01:50:08,311
9813"See what the Americans did?"
9814
98152120
981601:50:08,394 --> 01:50:10,021
9817And they will try to use it
9818
98192121
982001:50:10,104 --> 01:50:13,733
9821to justify evil actions
9822or to incite more violence.
9823
98242122
982501:50:13,816 --> 01:50:17,361
9826We cannot prevent that.
9827
98282123
982901:50:17,445 --> 01:50:19,363
9830But history will judge us
9831
98322124
983301:50:19,447 --> 01:50:24,118
9834by our commitment to
9835a just society governed by law
9836
98372125
983801:50:24,201 --> 01:50:27,455
9839and the willingness
9840to face an ugly truth
9841
98422126
984301:50:27,538 --> 01:50:31,125
9844and say "never again."
9845
98462127
984701:50:31,208 --> 01:50:32,626
9848Thank you.
9849
98502128
985101:50:32,710 --> 01:50:36,589
9852I now yield the floor
9853to the senator from Arizona.
9854
98552129
985601:50:38,424 --> 01:50:40,634
9857What might come as a surprise
9858
98592130
986001:50:40,718 --> 01:50:44,180
9861is how little these practices
9862did to aid our efforts to bring
9863
98642131
986501:50:44,263 --> 01:50:47,391
98669/11 culprits to justice
9867and to find and prevent
9868
98692132
987001:50:47,475 --> 01:50:50,227
9871terrorist attacks
9872today and tomorrow.
9873
98742133
987501:50:50,311 --> 01:50:52,063
9876That could be a real surprise,
9877
98782134
987901:50:52,146 --> 01:50:54,732
9880since it contradicts
9881the many assurances
9882
98832135
988401:50:54,815 --> 01:50:57,026
9885provided by
9886intelligence officials,
9887
98882136
988901:50:57,109 --> 01:50:59,070
9890on the record and in private,
9891
98922137
989301:50:59,153 --> 01:51:02,865
9894that enhanced interrogation
9895techniques were indispensable
9896
98972138
989801:51:02,948 --> 01:51:04,867
9899in the war against terrorism.
9900
99012139
990201:51:04,950 --> 01:51:08,371
9903I think it's an insult to
9904the many intelligence officers
9905
99062140
990701:51:08,454 --> 01:51:10,373
9908who have acquired
9909good intelligence
9910
99112141
991201:51:10,456 --> 01:51:12,541
9913without hurting
9914or degrading prisoners
9915
99162142
991701:51:12,625 --> 01:51:16,462
9918to assert we can't win this war
9919without such methods.
9920
99212143
992201:51:16,545 --> 01:51:19,548
9923Yes, we can, and we will.
9924
99252144
992601:51:19,632 --> 01:51:21,759
9927But in the end,
9928
99292145
993001:51:21,842 --> 01:51:24,428
9931torture's failure to serve
9932its intended purpose
9933
99342146
993501:51:24,512 --> 01:51:27,807
9936isn't the main reason
9937to oppose its use.
9938
99392147
994001:51:27,890 --> 01:51:32,770
9941This question isn't about
9942our enemies; it's about us.
9943
99442148
994501:51:32,853 --> 01:51:38,192
9946It's about who we were, who we
9947are, and who we aspire to be.
9948
99492149
995001:51:38,275 --> 01:51:42,279
9951It's about how we represent
9952ourselves to the world.
9953
99542150
995501:51:42,363 --> 01:51:45,157
9956Our enemies act
9957without conscience.
9958
99592151
996001:51:45,241 --> 01:51:47,201
9961We must not.
9962
99632152
996401:51:49,578 --> 01:51:51,723
9965Senator Dianne Feinstein today
9966
99672153
996801:51:51,747 --> 01:51:54,500
9969exposed the CIA's now extinct
9970
99712154
997201:51:54,583 --> 01:51:56,919
9973enhanced interrogation
9974techniques.
9975
99762155
997701:51:57,002 --> 01:51:58,587
9978The thing that strikes me about
9979
99802156
998101:51:58,671 --> 01:52:00,047
9982what the Senate
9983was doing today...
9984
99852157
998601:52:00,131 --> 01:52:02,007
9987Dianne Feinstein,
9988Jay Rockefeller...
9989
99902158
999101:52:02,091 --> 01:52:03,843
9992Is they were doing
9993everything they can
9994
99952159
999601:52:03,926 --> 01:52:06,554
9997to make sure
9998this doesn't happen again.
9999
100002160
1000101:52:06,637 --> 01:52:08,722
10002Because by going public
10003like this...
10004
100052161
1000601:52:08,806 --> 01:52:10,891
10007Dan.
10008
100092162
1001001:52:10,975 --> 01:52:12,476
10011You did well.
10012
100132163
1001401:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,311
10015Thank you.
10016
100172164
1001801:52:15,020 --> 01:52:16,689
10019Thank you.
10020
100212165
1002201:52:16,772 --> 01:52:20,484
10023"We're gonna be on you
10024if you try to do this."
10025
100262166
1002701:56:07,795 --> 01:56:11,048
10028<i>♪ If pain was a color
10029to paint on you ♪</i>
10030
100312167
1003201:56:11,131 --> 01:56:14,093
10033<i>♪ Your heart would be
10034the color blue ♪</i>
10035
100362168
1003701:56:14,176 --> 01:56:18,055
10038<i>♪ Be a gradient from there
10039until your body met your hair ♪</i>
10040
100412169
1004201:56:18,138 --> 01:56:19,682
10043<i>♪ Which remained a silver ♪</i>
10044
100452170
1004601:56:19,765 --> 01:56:22,893
10047<i>♪ You are the one
10048they call Jesus Christ ♪</i>
10049
100502171
1005101:56:22,976 --> 01:56:25,938
10052<i>♪ Who didn't know
10053no rock and roll ♪</i>
10054
100552172
1005601:56:26,021 --> 01:56:29,483
10057<i>♪ Just a mission and a gun
10058to paint rainbows in Vietnam ♪</i>
10059
100602173
1006101:56:29,566 --> 01:56:31,402
10062<i>♪ And a heart
10063that always told you ♪</i>
10064
100652174
1006601:56:31,485 --> 01:56:33,904
10067<i>♪ There's a madness in us all ♪</i>
10068
100692175
1007001:56:34,905 --> 01:56:38,117
10071<i>♪ There's a madness in us all ♪</i>
10072
100732176
1007401:56:38,200 --> 01:56:41,870
10075<i>♪ So who wrote the rules?
10076Who wrote the rules? ♪</i>
10077
100782177
1007901:56:41,954 --> 01:56:43,747
10080<i>♪ Who wrote the rules? ♪</i>
10081
100822178
1008301:56:43,831 --> 01:56:48,001
10084<i>♪ They said every one of you
10085will never try to lend a hand ♪</i>
10086
100872179
1008801:56:48,085 --> 01:56:51,880
10089<i>♪ When the policemen
10090don't understand ♪</i>
10091
100922180
1009301:56:51,964 --> 01:56:57,177
10094<i>♪ Boys, all you boys,
10095think it's so American ♪</i>
10096
100972181
1009801:56:58,804 --> 01:57:04,184
10099<i>♪ Girls, all you girls,
10100yeah, you're so American ♪</i>
10101
101022182
1010301:57:07,896 --> 01:57:10,816
10104<i>♪ He may not be
10105born of this land ♪</i>
10106
101072183
1010801:57:10,899 --> 01:57:13,902
10109<i>♪ But he was born
10110of this world ♪</i>
10111
101122184
1011301:57:13,986 --> 01:57:15,779
10114<i>♪ He was born
10115of all the mothers ♪</i>
10116
101172185
1011801:57:15,863 --> 01:57:17,489
10119<i>♪ And the colors
10120of our brothers ♪</i>
10121
101222186
1012301:57:17,573 --> 01:57:19,533
10124<i>♪ And the love
10125that was started ♪</i>
10126
101272187
1012801:57:19,616 --> 01:57:22,619
10129<i>♪ You are the one
10130they call Jesus Christ ♪</i>
10131
101322188
1013301:57:22,703 --> 01:57:25,748
10134<i>♪ Who may not know
10135no rock and roll ♪</i>
10136
101372189
1013801:57:25,831 --> 01:57:27,583
10139<i>♪ And there may not be
10140a Heaven ♪</i>
10141
101422190
1014301:57:27,666 --> 01:57:29,418
10144<i>♪ Or a place
10145of which to send you ♪</i>
10146
101472191
1014801:57:29,501 --> 01:57:30,961
10149<i>♪ But you know in the end ♪</i>
10150
101512192
1015201:57:31,044 --> 01:57:33,589
10153<i>♪ There's madness in us all ♪</i>
10154
101552193
1015601:57:34,590 --> 01:57:36,967
10157<i>♪ There's a madness in us all ♪</i>
10158
101592194
1016001:57:37,968 --> 01:57:40,262
10161<i>♪ There's a madness in us all ♪</i>
10162
101632195
1016401:57:41,263 --> 01:57:44,600
10165<i>♪ There's a madness in us all ♪</i>
10166
101672196
1016801:57:44,683 --> 01:57:48,312
10169<i>♪ So who wrote the rules?
10170Who wrote the rules? ♪</i>
10171
101722197
1017301:57:48,395 --> 01:57:50,314
10174<i>♪ Who wrote the rules? ♪</i>
10175
101762198
1017701:57:50,397 --> 01:57:54,568
10178<i>♪ They said every one of you
10179will never try to lend a hand ♪</i>
10180
101812199
1018201:57:54,651 --> 01:57:58,447
10183<i>♪ When the policemen
10184don't understand ♪</i>
10185
101862200
1018701:57:58,530 --> 01:58:03,744
10188<i>♪ Boys, all you boys,
10189think it's so American ♪</i>
10190
101912201
1019201:58:05,370 --> 01:58:10,751
10193<i>♪ Girls, all you girls,
10194yeah, you're so American ♪</i>
10195
101962202
1019701:58:12,211 --> 01:58:14,797
10198<i>♪ There's two eyes
10199for every one of us ♪</i>
10200
102012203
1020201:58:14,880 --> 01:58:18,842
10203<i>♪ But somebody got there first
10204and took them all ♪</i>
10205
102062204
1020701:58:18,926 --> 01:58:21,595
10208<i>♪ There's two eyes
10209for every one of us ♪</i>
10210
102112205
1021201:58:21,678 --> 01:58:24,807
10213<i>♪ But somebody got there first
10214and took them all ♪</i>
10215
102162206
1021701:58:39,321 --> 01:58:44,368
10218<i>♪ Man, oh, man,
10219you think it's so American ♪</i>
10220
102212207
1022201:58:46,078 --> 01:58:51,124
10223<i>♪ Man, oh, man,
10224yeah, you're so American ♪</i>
10225
102262208
1022701:58:52,876 --> 01:58:57,840
10228<i>♪ Man, oh, man,
10229you think it's so American ♪</i>
10230
102312209
1023201:58:59,550 --> 01:59:04,596
10233<i>♪ Man, oh, man,
10234yeah, you're so American ♪</i>
10235
102362210
1023701:59:06,139 --> 01:59:08,517
10238<i>♪ There's two eyes
10239for every one of us ♪</i>
10240
102412211
1024201:59:08,600 --> 01:59:12,563
10243<i>♪ But somebody got there first
10244and took them all ♪</i>
10245
102462212
1024701:59:12,646 --> 01:59:15,274
10248<i>♪ There's two eyes
10249for every one of us ♪</i>
10250
102512213
1025201:59:15,357 --> 01:59:18,777
10253<i>♪ But somebody got there first
10254and took them all. ♪</i>