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3What-- What is a sommelier?
4
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7A sommelier is a position
8in a restaurant.
9
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12Who is responsible
13for the wine program.
14
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17They oversee service
18to the guests.
19
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22That's a very simple way
23to look at it.
24
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27You know, and I'm just keeping
28people happy.
29
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32I'm popping corks,
33a very simple job.
34
358
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37But that is open to interpretation.
38
399
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41If you don't work
42in a restaurant,
43
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46you're not a sommelier.
47
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50That's end of story, period.
51
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54Yeah, I don't agree.
55
5613
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58So a sommelier is somebody
59
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62that takes care of wine,
63period.
64
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67Somms are now educators.
68
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71They're judges.
72
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75They are suppliers.
76
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79They are distributors.
80
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83As soon as I stop working
84the floor,
85
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88I'm no longer a sommelier, though.
89
9021
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92I feel like a sommelier
93
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96when I'm opening a $5 bottle of wine
97
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100with a $300 corkscrew.
101
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104In today's world,
105sommelier seems to be very cool word
106
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109where you can put
110on your business card.
111
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114I'd like to be alive
115
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118when that definition is finally written
119
12028
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122to my satisfaction.
123
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126Can there be
127any other business
128
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131where there's
132so much bullshit?
133
13431
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136[no audible dialogue]
137
13832
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140[man]
141To take all of the amount of information
142
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145in a sommelier's brain
146and translate it
147
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150into a digestible form
151for a guest is not easy.
152
15335
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155It's because there's--
156
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159there's so many things
160you want to say,
161
16237
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164but you don't actually want
165to do that
166
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169and scare people off.
170
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173You actually want to enjoy--
174
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177have them enjoy their meal.
178
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181There's so much stuff
182
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185to know about wine
186
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189and knowing
190how to taste wine,
191
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194let alone there's over 1300
195identified grape varieties.
196
19745
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199There's also different regions,
200
20146
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203names, places, producers.
204
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207There's hundreds and hundreds
208of thousands of wines
209
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212that come out every year.
213
21449
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216[woman]
217I think people who are new to wine
218
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221somehow get the idea
222
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225that they should know all that stuff about wine
226
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229before they can enjoy wine,
230
23153
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233before they can talk about wine,
234
23554
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237and that's really a shame.
238
23955
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241When I go to a restaurant
242and I open up a wine list,
243
24456
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246it's one of the best parts
247of my week
248
24957
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251because it's an adventure.
252
25358
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255I see a particular
256geographical location first,
257
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260and then I start to think
261about everything
262
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265that went
266into making that wine--
267
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270the history, the soil.
271
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274So for the average person,
275
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278a wine list
279is really difficult to read.
280
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283They're not--
284They're not friendly.
285
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288You get a wine list
289in your hand,
290
29166
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293and you look for that wine
294that you know,
295
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298and if it's not there,
299what do you do?
300
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303You know, panic sets in.
304
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307Because there's
308no descriptions.
309
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312There's nothing there.
313There's no text.
314
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317It's just a line
318with a producer,
319
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322where it comes from,
323a vintage, and a price.
324
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327The wine list becomes a very
328interesting exercise
329
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332in social psychology
333
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336because the sommelier,
337if there is a sommelier,
338
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341is where the people
342are nervous.
343
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346They're where the people
347will be very sensitive
348
34978
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351to the price point.
352
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355They have no idea
356what goes with what.
357
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360[man]
361And that's basically the tricky part
362
36381
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365because it's intimidating.
366
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369You don't want to look stupid.
370
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373If you're insecure
374and on a table
375
37684
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378and open the wine list,
379
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382your business partner
383might perceive that.
384
38586
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387Your date might see that.
388And you want to look good.
389
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392So that's kind of where
393the sommelier steps in,
394
39588
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397which is great,
398
39989
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401which is why we have our jobs,
402
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405so that you have
406these lists of wines,
407
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410and there's somebody there
411that can talk you through
412
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415what you're looking for.
416
41793
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419There's a lot of
420great sommeliers out there,
421
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424and what they do--
425and the good ones do this--
426
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429they make you take
430a little vacation
431
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434while you're sitting
435in a chair,
436
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439and suddenly
440you're being told
441
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444about some guy
445on the top of a hill
446
44799
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449making some crazy wine,
450doing this amazing job,
451
452100
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454that's got, like,
455really old barrels,
456
457101
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459and there's a dog there,
460
461102
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463and you're just
464totally transformed.
465
466103
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468There is potential energy
469in these bottles,
470
471104
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473and there are stories
474to be told.
475
476105
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478I don't look at myself
479
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482as a cork puller.
483
484107
48500:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,435
486I look at myself
487as a storyteller.
488
489108
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491[McClintic]
492I think there's this great misconception
493
494109
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496that winemaking is this
497glamorous dream job.
498
499110
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501You know some place where
502
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505the wine is produced that's awful?
506
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509No. All wonderful places.
510
511113
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513Ugly places have never made nice wines.
514
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517It's not because of ugliness and beauty--
518and beautiness.
519
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522It's about energies
523
524116
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526because energies build potential of a place.
527
528117
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530And if the energies are good,
531the place are always harmony and beauty.
532
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535[McClintic] Yeah, wine is grown in the most
536beautiful places in the world.
537
538119
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540but the actual work involved--
541
542120
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544nothing could be further
545from the truth.
546
547121
54800:06:56,667 --> 00:06:59,294
549Wine is about rising to challenges
550
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553and overcoming adversity,
554and it's always just a miracle
555
556123
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558that the stuff actually gets made
559and gets into the bottle.
560
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563The things that we're trying to translate
564
565125
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567into the glass
568
569126
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571are things that are
572much bigger than any of us--
573
574127
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576the rocks, the sun,
577the wind, the rain.
578
579128
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581Those are things
582that are eternal.
583
584129
58500:07:16,353 --> 00:07:18,480
586A lot of people making
587their living making wine
588
589130
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591are everyday farmers.
592
593131
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595And they spend their life
596
597132
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599essentially controlling
600this plant
601
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604that does not want
605to be controlled.
606
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609[Meredith]
610The grapevine is a true vine,
611
612135
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614and if you're not growing it
615on the trellis
616
617136
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619in a commercial vineyard
620and you just let it go,
621
622137
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624it will climb a tree.
625
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628Winemaking is relentless.
629
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632You know, harvest
633is going to come
634
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637when it's going to come,
638and you need to be ready for it.
639
640141
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642It's not just that you can harvest
643these tracks of land by yourself.
644
645142
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647You have to organize groups of people,
648
649143
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651sometimes 20, 30, 40 people,
652
653144
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655and they have to be ready
656on a given day
657
658145
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660to come together
661harvesting these grapes.
662
663146
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665And the logistics
666are mind-numbingly complex,
667
668147
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670and everything goes wrong,
671
672148
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674and that's a good harvest.
675
676149
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678There's over
679a hundred variables
680
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683that translate into what's
684in the glass in front of you.
685
686151
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688Whether it's rain,
689
690152
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692frost,
693
694153
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696heat spikes,
697
698154
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700drought,
701
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704wind.
705
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708The weather could come in.
709
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712You could have
713a tropical storm
714
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717that's coming in
718two weeks before harvest.
719
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722You can have a good season
723all year,
724
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727but when you arrive
728at a harvest
729
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732and the weather changes,
733
734162
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736and you harvest
737under the rain,
738
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741the good season...
742[laughs]
743
744164
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746has nothing to say
747at the end.
748
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751[Cauble]
752You don't want to harvest right after the rain
753
754166
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756because the grapes actually swell,
757
758167
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760actually absorbing a lot of
761the water diluting the wines.
762
763168
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765[Kruth]
766The other problem is if the weather changes
767
768169
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770after it rains,
771you get disease pressure, you get mold.
772
773170
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775You literally lose
77660% of fruit to a fungus.
777
778171
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780It's a lot of stress.
781
782172
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784Come on, what are you going to do,
785not harvest the grapes?
786
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789You have to make the wine,
790you know,
791
792174
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794I mean, you live on that
795for an entire year,
796
797175
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799and so when the vintage comes,
800you pick it.
801
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804[McClintic]
805That's a normal vintage.
806
807177
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809So there's a lot of unpredictability
810with a normal vintage.
811
812178
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814And then there are vintages
815that are absolutely disastrous.
816
817179
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819[Mattiasson] There's been plenty of wars
820and hails and stuff,
821
822180
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824and they are brutal,
825
826181
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828but it's the first time
829I've heard of a earthquake
830
831182
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833screwing you up during harvest.
834
835183
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837So at least we have
838
839184
84000:09:32,239 --> 00:09:34,074
841a good story to tell
842the grandkids on this one.
843
844185
84500:09:41,707 --> 00:09:45,002
846It was, like, the nicest weather we've had
847in I don't know how long.
848
849186
85000:09:45,210 --> 00:09:47,337
851Great year.
852We dodged the drought bullet.
853
854187
85500:09:47,546 --> 00:09:48,630
856We got spring rains,
857
858188
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860everything lined up perfectly.
861
862189
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864We had an earthquake.
865
866190
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868We were woken up
869at 3:20 in the morning
870
871191
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873with the earthquake.
874
875192
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877Made sure the family's okay,
878went outside,
879
880193
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882turn off the gas,
883all the earthquake stuff.
884
885194
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887And then try to--
888you know, take stock of what was going on.
889
890195
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892And the first thing I'm thinking is
893
894196
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896I gotta find out
897what's going on with our barrels.
898
899197
90000:10:18,285 --> 00:10:19,953
901All the barrels are--
902
903198
90400:10:20,162 --> 00:10:22,289
905that are normally stacked up--
906
907199
90800:10:22,497 --> 00:10:24,207
909are all just tossed around
910in there
911
912200
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914like a mad giant
915
916201
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918just went in there and had
919a temper tantrum.
920
921202
92200:10:29,129 --> 00:10:30,964
923I mean, it was just nuts.
924
925203
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927This happened two days ago.
928
929204
93000:10:37,012 --> 00:10:38,055
931Yeah, so we're still
932picking up--
933
934205
93500:10:38,263 --> 00:10:39,348
936I mean,
937we're literally just--
938
939206
94000:10:39,556 --> 00:10:41,099
941literally picking up the pieces
942
943207
94400:10:41,308 --> 00:10:43,393
945because the pieces
946are all over the ground right now.
947
948208
94900:10:43,602 --> 00:10:45,103
950Our house came off the foundation,
951
952209
95300:10:45,312 --> 00:10:46,730
954and chimneys fell down
955
956210
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958and all a bunch of stuff busted up.
959
960211
96100:10:48,732 --> 00:10:51,026
962I mean, it's like...
963
964212
96500:10:51,234 --> 00:10:52,861
966heavy, definitely heavy.
967
968213
96900:10:57,949 --> 00:11:01,411
970For some reason,
971even though our house is totally screwed,
972
973214
97400:11:01,620 --> 00:11:03,246
975and we probably lost a ton of wine,
976
977215
97800:11:03,455 --> 00:11:07,501
979it's kind of exciting
980in a weird, masochistic way,
981
982216
98300:11:07,709 --> 00:11:09,753
984like, all right,
985
986217
98700:11:09,961 --> 00:11:11,421
988you know...
989
990218
99100:11:11,630 --> 00:11:13,048
992[laughs]
993
994219
99500:11:13,256 --> 00:11:15,300
996You know, mother nature
997was creative this year.
998
999220
100000:11:15,509 --> 00:11:16,885
1001This was a first.
1002
1003221
100400:11:20,847 --> 00:11:23,058
1005And so the 2013's
1006always going to carry
1007
1008222
100900:11:23,266 --> 00:11:25,644
1010a special signifier now,
1011
1012223
101300:11:25,852 --> 00:11:28,480
1014along with it, that this is
1015the earthquake vintage
1016
1017224
101800:11:28,689 --> 00:11:29,940
1019and there wasn't
1020as much of it
1021
1022225
102300:11:30,148 --> 00:11:32,526
1024for the producers
1025that lost wine,
1026
1027226
102800:11:32,734 --> 00:11:35,278
1029and I think it's going to be
1030a pretty neat little legacy,
1031
1032227
103300:11:35,487 --> 00:11:37,155
1034this vintage going forward.
1035
1036228
103700:11:37,364 --> 00:11:39,658
1038Now this vintage is always
1039going to be marked in that way.
1040
1041229
104200:11:39,866 --> 00:11:43,578
1043I think it's pretty cool.
1044
1045230
104600:11:43,787 --> 00:11:45,372
1047[McClintic]
1048When you're talking about a vintage,
1049
1050231
105100:11:45,580 --> 00:11:48,333
1052you're really talking about weather,
1053
1054232
105500:11:48,542 --> 00:11:51,002
1056and weather, unlike climate,
1057is completely variable.
1058
1059233
106000:11:51,211 --> 00:11:52,921
1061There are very few vintages
1062
1063234
106400:11:53,130 --> 00:11:54,881
1065that a winemaker deals with
1066
1067235
106800:11:55,090 --> 00:11:56,675
1069that are problem free,
1070
1071236
107200:11:56,883 --> 00:11:58,510
1073maybe like one every 10 years
1074
1075237
107600:11:58,719 --> 00:12:00,011
1077you get that magical vintage.
1078
1079238
108000:12:09,771 --> 00:12:11,732
1081The reality about vintages
1082
1083239
108400:12:11,940 --> 00:12:14,067
1085is it's variable.
1086
1087240
108800:12:14,276 --> 00:12:16,111
1089Every year is different,
1090
1091241
109200:12:16,319 --> 00:12:18,113
1093but a great wine,
1094a great vintage,
1095
1096242
109700:12:18,321 --> 00:12:19,990
1098will age very, very long.
1099
1100243
110100:12:20,198 --> 00:12:22,367
1102[man]
1103Wine is living, and so wine is always evolving.
1104
1105244
110600:12:22,576 --> 00:12:24,911
1107Wine is never static.
1108
1109245
111000:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,916
1111[McClintic]
1112Wine wants to become vinegar, right?
1113
1114246
111500:12:30,125 --> 00:12:33,420
1116And if you could catch it
1117in the right place on its arc,
1118
1119247
112000:12:33,628 --> 00:12:35,547
1121and it's 40 or 50 years deep,
1122
1123248
112400:12:35,756 --> 00:12:37,841
1125you've got
1126the craziest flavors
1127
1128249
112900:12:38,049 --> 00:12:40,385
1130that you never tasted before.
1131
1132250
113300:12:40,594 --> 00:12:42,137
1134Wines with age
1135
1136251
113700:12:42,345 --> 00:12:44,973
1138are probably the dream
1139the winemaker had
1140
1141252
114200:12:45,182 --> 00:12:47,267
1143when he or she made it.
1144
1145253
114600:12:47,476 --> 00:12:51,188
1147And we have the chance
1148to drink in the moment
1149
1150254
115100:12:51,396 --> 00:12:54,483
1152where that dream is realized.
1153
1154255
115500:12:54,691 --> 00:12:56,318
1156We got an '88 Muscadet.
1157
1158256
115900:12:56,526 --> 00:12:59,196
1160This is a bottle
1161that probably costs about $15 now,
1162
1163257
116400:12:59,404 --> 00:13:00,739
1165for a new retail bottle,
1166
1167258
116800:13:00,947 --> 00:13:02,365
1169this was probably
1170three or four dollars maybe
1171
1172259
117300:13:02,574 --> 00:13:04,618
1174when this bottle was bought.
1175
1176260
117700:13:04,826 --> 00:13:07,621
1178Doesn't have to be expensive.
1179It just has to be the right bottle of wine
1180
1181261
118200:13:07,829 --> 00:13:10,123
1183stored the right way,
1184opened at the right time.
1185
1186262
118700:13:10,332 --> 00:13:12,042
1188Some of the most expensive wine
1189in the world
1190
1191263
119200:13:12,250 --> 00:13:14,503
1193are crazy old bottles because
1194there's just less of them,
1195
1196264
119700:13:14,711 --> 00:13:17,506
1198and everyone wants to drink them
1199in their peak.
1200
1201265
120200:13:17,714 --> 00:13:18,965
1203I love old wine.
1204
1205266
120600:13:19,174 --> 00:13:21,760
1207I mean, I love old Napa cav.
1208
1209267
121000:13:21,968 --> 00:13:23,303
1211I love old Barolo.
1212
1213268
121400:13:23,512 --> 00:13:24,805
1215I love old chardonnay.
1216
1217269
121800:13:25,013 --> 00:13:26,473
1219I mean, I think aged wine
1220
1221270
122200:13:26,681 --> 00:13:28,350
1223is just
1224a really beautiful thing.
1225
1226271
122700:13:28,558 --> 00:13:31,269
1228I generally don't like
1229most old wine
1230
1231272
123200:13:31,478 --> 00:13:34,940
1233because wine has to be
1234stored perfectly.
1235
1236273
123700:13:35,148 --> 00:13:37,025
1238Some people might think
1239old wine is always good.
1240
1241274
124200:13:37,234 --> 00:13:38,318
1243That's not correct.
1244
1245275
124600:13:38,527 --> 00:13:40,070
1247Some wines
1248should be drunk young.
1249
1250276
125100:13:40,278 --> 00:13:41,696
1252And that's just
1253the reality of it.
1254
1255277
125600:13:41,905 --> 00:13:43,615
1257But when you get that,
1258like, magical bottle,
1259
1260278
126100:13:43,824 --> 00:13:46,368
1262that's been stored perfectly
1263for 20 or 30 years
1264
1265279
126600:13:46,576 --> 00:13:48,954
1267and it was meant to be,
1268you know, it gives you an experience
1269
1270280
127100:13:49,162 --> 00:13:51,498
1272that a young bottle of wine
1273can't give you.
1274
1275281
127600:13:51,706 --> 00:13:53,416
1277[McClintic]
1278Wine does not like heat,
1279
1280282
128100:13:53,625 --> 00:13:55,794
1282and it doesn't like light.
1283
1284283
128500:13:56,002 --> 00:13:58,421
1286Wine being stored
1287in your back seat,
1288
1289284
129000:13:58,630 --> 00:14:00,382
1291you know, in the Vegas sun
1292for 20 minutes
1293
1294285
129500:14:00,590 --> 00:14:01,925
1296will completely ruin
1297a bottle of wine.
1298
1299286
130000:14:02,133 --> 00:14:03,635
1301There's no better wine
1302
1303287
130400:14:03,844 --> 00:14:05,470
1305than a wine you have
1306at the Domaine.
1307
1308288
130900:14:22,612 --> 00:14:24,865
1310For me that's a huge part
1311of the personality of the house,
1312
1313289
131400:14:25,073 --> 00:14:26,408
1315is what's going on
1316in the cellar.
1317
1318290
131900:14:26,616 --> 00:14:30,036
1320The cellar is
1321a very important private place
1322
1323291
132400:14:30,245 --> 00:14:33,164
1325because this is where
1326the wine rests.
1327
1328292
132900:14:33,373 --> 00:14:35,917
1330This is where the wines
1331will change.
1332
1333293
133400:14:36,126 --> 00:14:38,295
1335This is where you keep
1336your old bottles of wine,
1337
1338294
133900:14:38,503 --> 00:14:41,631
1340and that's actually where you
1341spend all of the time.
1342
1343295
134400:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,634
1345There's a sense in the cellar
1346
1347296
134800:14:44,843 --> 00:14:47,888
1349that man takes the process
1350
1351297
135200:14:48,096 --> 00:14:50,765
1353of growing wine to a point,
1354
1355298
135600:14:50,974 --> 00:14:53,768
1357and that point involves the moment
1358
1359299
136000:14:53,977 --> 00:14:55,979
1361when the cork goes in the bottle.
1362
1363300
136400:15:03,486 --> 00:15:04,821
1365You walk into these cellars,
1366
1367301
136800:15:05,030 --> 00:15:07,324
1369and they're very deep
1370beneath the earth.
1371
1372302
137300:15:07,532 --> 00:15:11,745
1374You're-- typically you walk down
1375sometimes three or four or five flights of stairs,
1376
1377303
137800:15:11,953 --> 00:15:15,415
1379and you come
1380into this very dark space.
1381
1382304
138300:15:15,624 --> 00:15:18,877
1384We have to duck because
1385the ceiling's a little low,
1386
1387305
138800:15:19,085 --> 00:15:21,338
1389and you can't really see
1390very well.
1391
1392306
139300:15:21,546 --> 00:15:22,631
1394And you get to the bottom,
1395
1396307
139700:15:22,839 --> 00:15:25,008
1398and there's mold everywhere.
1399
1400308
140100:15:26,968 --> 00:15:31,181
1402The cellar
1403is a whole microclimate,
1404
1405309
140600:15:31,389 --> 00:15:33,725
1407I will say,
1408with the right temperature,
1409
1410310
141100:15:33,934 --> 00:15:36,311
1412the right humidity.
1413
1414311
141500:15:36,519 --> 00:15:38,021
1416[man]
1417The best storage you can think of,
1418
1419312
142000:15:38,229 --> 00:15:40,106
1421you know, it's always about
1422
1423313
142400:15:40,315 --> 00:15:41,775
142555 Fahrenheit, 11 Celsius
1426
1427314
142800:15:41,983 --> 00:15:43,902
1429during the winter or during the summer.
1430
1431315
143200:15:44,110 --> 00:15:45,987
1433You have the vapor from the wine
1434
1435316
143600:15:46,196 --> 00:15:47,447
1437for the bottles,
1438
1439317
144000:15:47,656 --> 00:15:50,825
1441so this create
1442a special environment.
1443
1444318
144500:15:51,034 --> 00:15:52,494
1446[Cauble]
1447You smell the cellar.
1448
1449319
145000:15:52,702 --> 00:15:54,079
1451It almost smells
1452like the personality
1453
1454320
145500:15:54,287 --> 00:15:55,538
1456of the wine.
1457
1458321
145900:15:55,747 --> 00:15:57,332
1460It just smells
1461kind of like a wet,
1462
1463322
146400:15:57,540 --> 00:16:00,543
1465kind of rock, or almost like
1466a bag of mushrooms.
1467
1468323
146900:16:00,752 --> 00:16:02,128
1470And you may have seen some,
1471you know,
1472
1473324
147400:16:02,337 --> 00:16:05,090
1475like mushrooms growing
1476on the bottles,
1477
1478325
147900:16:05,298 --> 00:16:07,050
1480but even on some of the corks.
1481
1482326
148300:16:10,971 --> 00:16:13,014
1484It has no effect
1485on the quality of the wine,
1486
1487327
148800:16:13,223 --> 00:16:14,933
1489but it looks pretty amazing.
1490
1491328
149200:16:21,773 --> 00:16:25,235
1493[Chave]
1494Then you have this fungus growing,
1495
1496329
149700:16:25,443 --> 00:16:26,861
1498and this is totally alive.
1499
1500330
150100:16:28,697 --> 00:16:31,616
1502Yeah, the Latin name
1503is <i>Aspergillus niger,</i>
1504
1505331
150600:16:31,825 --> 00:16:33,451
1507the black cellar mold.
1508
1509332
151000:16:33,660 --> 00:16:35,954
1511And we take care
1512of this fungus.
1513
1514333
151500:16:36,162 --> 00:16:38,873
1516It's living from alcohol
1517being in the air,
1518
1519334
152000:16:39,082 --> 00:16:41,626
1521and it's keeping
1522the air fresh,
1523
1524335
152500:16:41,835 --> 00:16:45,672
1526and that's something
1527we are very proud of.
1528
1529336
153000:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,843
1531It will change according
1532to the time, the year.
1533
1534337
153500:16:50,051 --> 00:16:53,013
1536It's going to turn white,
1537and then it's going to be all black.
1538
1539338
154000:16:53,221 --> 00:16:55,473
1541That's a sign
1542of a very good cellar.
1543
1544339
154500:16:58,518 --> 00:17:01,688
1546They treat this fungus
1547like their little pet.
1548
1549340
155000:17:01,896 --> 00:17:03,398
1551And literally they pet it.
1552
1553341
155400:17:03,606 --> 00:17:06,234
1555You can touch it.
1556It's like a black cotton ball.
1557
1558342
155900:17:09,529 --> 00:17:11,531
1560You know
1561these producers' wines,
1562
1563343
156400:17:11,740 --> 00:17:14,325
1565and you're like,
1566"Wow, this is why this wine smells like what it does."
1567
1568344
156900:17:14,534 --> 00:17:15,910
1570It's not just the grapes and the soil
1571
1572345
157300:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,163
1574and the yeast
1575that fermented it.
1576
1577346
157800:17:18,371 --> 00:17:21,207
1579It's actually where it was aged
1580in all of these different funguses.
1581
1582347
158300:17:26,379 --> 00:17:29,591
1584You have the sense
1585in a classic old cellar
1586
1587348
158800:17:29,799 --> 00:17:31,760
1589that that winemaker
1590
1591349
159200:17:31,968 --> 00:17:33,845
1593has taken that bottle
1594
1595350
159600:17:34,054 --> 00:17:36,473
1597and given it to time.
1598
1599351
160000:17:47,859 --> 00:17:51,613
1601Every single bottle has a date
1602printed on the label, typically,
1603
1604352
160500:17:51,821 --> 00:17:53,782
1606and that date tells a story
1607
1608353
160900:17:53,990 --> 00:17:55,909
1610about what happened
1611in that given year.
1612
1613354
161400:17:56,117 --> 00:17:57,786
1615There are very few bottles
1616that don't,
1617
1618355
161900:17:57,994 --> 00:18:01,039
1620and one of the exceptions
1621would probably be champagne.
1622
1623356
162400:18:01,247 --> 00:18:03,875
1625So with champagne,
1626the weather is so bad there
1627
1628357
162900:18:04,084 --> 00:18:06,795
1630that it's only
1631very, very special vintages
1632
1633358
163400:18:07,003 --> 00:18:08,171
1635where the weather was perfect,
1636
1637359
163800:18:08,379 --> 00:18:10,340
1639that they actually declare
1640a vintage.
1641
1642360
164300:18:10,548 --> 00:18:13,301
1644They typically blend
1645the wine from multiple vintages together
1646
1647361
164800:18:13,510 --> 00:18:17,388
1649so that way you have an even expression
1650of champagne every single year.
1651
1652362
165300:18:17,597 --> 00:18:19,557
1654When you're going to bottle
1655a vintage champagne,
1656
1657363
165800:18:19,766 --> 00:18:22,227
1659that means it's a story you
1660actually want to tell on its own.
1661
1662364
166300:18:22,435 --> 00:18:26,523
16641969, Dom Ruinart.
1665It's a rare bottle.
1666
1667365
166800:18:26,731 --> 00:18:30,151
1669We have 19 left in the cellar,
1670
1671366
167200:18:30,360 --> 00:18:32,904
1673so this would be 18 after today,
1674
1675367
167600:18:33,113 --> 00:18:36,866
1677and there's probably
1678less than 15 in the world, I would say.
1679
1680368
168100:18:58,972 --> 00:18:59,931
1682Ah.
1683
1684369
168500:19:02,976 --> 00:19:04,477
1686The color is...
1687
1688370
168900:19:04,686 --> 00:19:06,312
1690As you can see,
1691it's pretty gold,
1692
1693371
169400:19:06,521 --> 00:19:10,692
1695which is something you expect
1696for a 45-year-old champagne.
1697
1698372
169900:19:10,900 --> 00:19:12,652
1700[Dame]
1701White wines, as they age, develop color,
1702
1703373
170400:19:12,861 --> 00:19:14,821
1705and red wines, as they age,
1706lose color.
1707
1708374
170900:19:15,029 --> 00:19:16,656
1710So there's the pigmentation.
1711
1712375
171300:19:16,865 --> 00:19:18,992
1714[McClintic]
1715As it goes, those fruit elements start to fade,
1716
1717376
171800:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,870
1719and these beautiful secondary
1720characteristics take over.
1721
1722377
172300:19:22,078 --> 00:19:23,329
1724Earthy characteristics--
1725
1726378
172700:19:23,538 --> 00:19:26,124
1728flowers, herbs, spices.
1729
1730379
173100:19:26,332 --> 00:19:28,084
1732[Dame]
1733They develop that slightly nutty--
1734
1735380
173600:19:28,293 --> 00:19:29,836
1737the oxidated quality.
1738
1739381
174000:19:30,044 --> 00:19:32,463
1741There's still a great acidity,
1742
1743382
174400:19:32,672 --> 00:19:34,257
1745some effervescence,
1746not too strong,
1747
1748383
174900:19:34,465 --> 00:19:36,509
1750but as you can expect,
1751with such an old champagne.
1752
1753384
175400:19:36,718 --> 00:19:40,180
1755All of that baby fat
1756sheds away.
1757
1758385
175900:19:40,388 --> 00:19:43,933
1760[Dame]
1761And it becomes more of a whole than pieces.
1762
1763386
176400:19:44,142 --> 00:19:45,977
1765It's very intensely perfumed.
1766
1767387
176800:19:46,186 --> 00:19:48,104
1769It's this snapshot.
1770It's this piece of history,
1771
1772388
177300:19:48,313 --> 00:19:49,647
1774it's bottled history,
1775
1776389
177700:19:49,856 --> 00:19:51,774
1778of what happened
1779to those grapes in that year.
1780
1781390
178200:19:51,983 --> 00:19:55,945
1783You can taste the warmth
1784of the '69 vintage,
1785
1786391
178700:19:56,154 --> 00:19:58,823
1788which was-- which was actually
1789a very warm vintage,
1790
1791392
179200:19:59,032 --> 00:20:00,867
1793a lot of sunshine,
1794great harvest,
1795
1796393
179700:20:01,075 --> 00:20:02,202
1798very healthy grapes.
1799
1800394
180100:20:02,410 --> 00:20:03,745
1802And it's tend to show,
1803I think,
1804
1805395
180600:20:03,953 --> 00:20:06,998
1807that dried apricots,
1808
1809396
181000:20:07,207 --> 00:20:09,626
1811dried pineapple
1812sort of flavors.
1813
1814397
181500:20:09,834 --> 00:20:12,003
1816It's really the sign
1817of a warm year.
1818
1819398
182000:20:12,212 --> 00:20:14,047
1821[swishes]
1822
1823399
182400:20:14,255 --> 00:20:15,715
1825Drinking history.
1826
1827400
182800:20:18,218 --> 00:20:19,677
1829It's good. Shit.
1830
1831401
183200:20:51,292 --> 00:20:53,503
1833[tower bell ringing]
1834
1835402
183600:21:32,583 --> 00:21:36,963
1837Our archives
1838keep a lot of secrets.
1839
1840403
184100:21:37,171 --> 00:21:40,008
1842Grapes have been here
1843since Roman soldiers
1844
1845404
184600:21:40,216 --> 00:21:42,885
1847covered Germany
1848in the first century.
1849
1850405
185100:21:43,094 --> 00:21:44,637
1852The first documents
1853about winemaking
1854
1855406
185600:21:44,846 --> 00:21:47,348
1857dates back to the year 700.
1858
1859407
186000:21:47,557 --> 00:21:50,018
1861This is the invoice book
1862
1863408
186400:21:50,226 --> 00:21:54,272
1865from the year 1492.
1866
1867409
186800:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,692
1869They really documented
1870all single details
1871
1872410
187300:21:57,900 --> 00:21:59,277
1874of what they sold,
1875
1876411
187700:21:59,485 --> 00:22:00,862
1878when they sold the wine,
1879
1880412
188100:22:01,070 --> 00:22:03,114
1882and who were the customers.
1883
1884413
188500:22:03,323 --> 00:22:06,784
1886For me, I think, like,
1887goosebumps are running down my neck
1888
1889414
189000:22:06,993 --> 00:22:11,497
1891when I hold this
1892little booklet in my hand,
1893
1894415
189500:22:11,706 --> 00:22:16,419
1896and it is as old as when
1897Columbus discovered America.
1898
1899416
190000:22:16,627 --> 00:22:19,005
1901History gives wine
1902
1903417
190400:22:19,213 --> 00:22:21,090
1905heart and soul.
1906
1907418
190800:22:23,176 --> 00:22:24,635
1909I really didn't like history
1910
1911419
191200:22:24,844 --> 00:22:28,848
1913until I got interested
1914in wine grapes
1915
1916420
191700:22:29,057 --> 00:22:30,475
1918and realized
1919
1920421
192100:22:30,683 --> 00:22:32,643
1922that the history of wine
1923
1924422
192500:22:32,852 --> 00:22:34,771
1926is the history of Europe.
1927
1928423
192900:22:34,979 --> 00:22:37,398
1930I don't think sommeliers
1931gravitate towards great wines of the world
1932
1933424
193400:22:37,607 --> 00:22:39,192
1935because of history.
1936
1937425
193800:22:39,400 --> 00:22:45,365
1939I think history naturally forges
1940the great wines of the world.
1941
1942426
194300:22:45,573 --> 00:22:48,409
1944From the beginning of our story
1945
1946427
194700:22:48,618 --> 00:22:50,203
1948wine has been there.
1949
1950428
195100:22:54,082 --> 00:22:57,210
1952[Meredith] If we go back
1953thousands and thousands of years,
1954
1955429
195600:22:57,418 --> 00:23:00,338
1957the very first
1958cultivated grapevines
1959
1960430
196100:23:00,546 --> 00:23:02,715
1962were just sticks that people
1963stuck in the ground
1964
1965431
196600:23:02,924 --> 00:23:05,009
1967from vines that they found
1968in the forest.
1969
1970432
197100:23:07,303 --> 00:23:10,139
1972There's a lot of evidence
1973this happened in Spain
1974
1975433
197600:23:10,348 --> 00:23:12,058
1977and in the northern coast
1978of Africa
1979
1980434
198100:23:12,266 --> 00:23:15,228
1982and in other parts
1983of the Mediterranean coast of Europe.
1984
1985435
198600:23:15,436 --> 00:23:17,688
1987Certainly the Phoenicians
1988
1989436
199000:23:17,897 --> 00:23:20,608
1991began to explore
1992the Mediterranean,
1993
1994437
199500:23:20,817 --> 00:23:22,568
1996and we know
1997that they brought wine.
1998
1999438
200000:23:22,777 --> 00:23:24,487
2001The same thing happened
2002with the Greeks,
2003
2004439
200500:23:24,695 --> 00:23:26,823
2006we know that the Greeks
2007took grapevines.
2008
2009440
201000:23:27,031 --> 00:23:29,534
2011We know that the Romans
2012did the same thing.
2013
2014441
201500:23:32,870 --> 00:23:34,372
2016[Grieco]
2017I want to go back to Rome, man.
2018
2019442
202000:23:34,580 --> 00:23:35,873
2021I want to go back
2022to the Coliseum.
2023
2024443
202500:23:36,082 --> 00:23:37,166
2026I want to sit there
2027in the sands.
2028
2029444
203000:23:37,375 --> 00:23:39,043
2031I want to see
2032a gladiator fight.
2033
2034445
203500:23:39,252 --> 00:23:42,380
2036I want to eat a corndog
2037and a big flask of goddamn grape juice
2038
2039446
204000:23:42,588 --> 00:23:43,798
2041from the Romans.
2042
2043447
204400:23:44,006 --> 00:23:45,675
2045The Romans drank
2046with a vigor
2047
2048448
204900:23:45,883 --> 00:23:48,928
2050that I would love to have
2051more of in my life.
2052
2053449
205400:23:49,137 --> 00:23:50,596
2055[Hepp]
2056Caesar told his troops
2057
2058450
205900:23:50,805 --> 00:23:55,935
2060to drink at least one
2061to 1 1/2 liter per wine a day
2062
2063451
206400:23:56,144 --> 00:23:58,438
2065because he knew that wine
2066
2067452
206800:23:58,646 --> 00:24:00,022
2069keeps the troops healthy,
2070
2071453
207200:24:00,231 --> 00:24:05,069
2073and Caesar doubled the quantity
2074from 1.5 to 3 liters
2075
2076454
207700:24:05,278 --> 00:24:07,864
2078when his troops
2079needed to fight.
2080
2081455
208200:24:08,072 --> 00:24:10,199
2083So I think this was
2084the start of doping,
2085
2086456
208700:24:10,408 --> 00:24:11,534
2088when the Roman soldiers
2089
2090457
209100:24:11,742 --> 00:24:13,786
2092went into battle
2093
2094458
209500:24:13,995 --> 00:24:16,080
2096after having a couple
2097of liters of wine.
2098
2099459
210000:24:16,289 --> 00:24:17,957
2101And the wine they drink
2102
2103460
210400:24:18,166 --> 00:24:20,501
2105we nowadays call "golden wine."
2106
2107461
210800:24:20,710 --> 00:24:22,336
2109It's not white.
2110It's not red.
2111
2112462
211300:24:22,545 --> 00:24:24,005
2114It's a combination
2115of all the grapes
2116
2117463
211800:24:24,213 --> 00:24:26,048
2119being harvested together.
2120
2121464
212200:24:27,842 --> 00:24:29,844
2123It has got
2124religious significance.
2125
2126465
212700:24:30,052 --> 00:24:31,429
2128When Jesus changed water
2129into wine,
2130
2131466
213200:24:31,637 --> 00:24:32,972
2133it was probably a good start
2134
2135467
213600:24:33,181 --> 00:24:34,557
2137because there must've been
2138something there.
2139
2140468
214100:24:34,765 --> 00:24:37,351
2142When they served it
2143at the last supper,
2144
2145469
214600:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,187
2147well, you know,
2148must've been a good vintage.
2149
2150470
215100:24:39,395 --> 00:24:40,688
2152But lest we forget,
2153
2154471
215500:24:40,897 --> 00:24:43,191
2156when Noah and his ark
2157landed on Mount Ararat
2158
2159472
216000:24:43,399 --> 00:24:45,276
2161in the Caucasus Mountains
2162
2163473
216400:24:45,485 --> 00:24:47,737
2165of what is now Turkey,
2166
2167474
216800:24:47,945 --> 00:24:48,821
2169first thing he did,
2170
2171475
217200:24:49,030 --> 00:24:50,740
2173the very first thing,
2174
2175476
217600:24:50,948 --> 00:24:52,909
2177was to plant a vine,
2178grow grapes,
2179
2180477
218100:24:53,117 --> 00:24:54,410
2182make wine,
2183
2184478
218500:24:54,619 --> 00:24:58,831
2186and get drunk and pass out
2187naked in his tent.
2188
2189479
219000:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,042
2191It's a spiritual beverage.
2192
2193480
219400:25:01,250 --> 00:25:03,544
2195It's what-- literally spirit
2196in the sense that it's alcoholic.
2197
2198481
219900:25:03,753 --> 00:25:06,839
2200It's ecstatic in the sense
2201it has the potential,
2202
2203482
220400:25:07,048 --> 00:25:08,549
2205taken in excess,
2206
2207483
220800:25:08,758 --> 00:25:11,219
2209to take you out of yourself,
2210
2211484
221200:25:11,427 --> 00:25:15,097
2213which is a quasi-religious
2214experience.
2215
2216485
221700:25:15,306 --> 00:25:17,975
2218Is that the reason
2219why it becomes a sacrament,
2220
2221486
222200:25:18,184 --> 00:25:20,603
2223why it becomes Christ's blood?
2224
2225487
222600:25:23,564 --> 00:25:24,607
2227Probably.
2228
2229488
223000:25:27,944 --> 00:25:30,530
2231Really, the roots,
2232in my mind,
2233
2234489
223500:25:30,738 --> 00:25:32,406
2236of roles of wine we know today
2237
2238490
223900:25:32,615 --> 00:25:35,451
2240came really from the monks.
2241
2242491
224300:25:35,660 --> 00:25:38,037
2244[Grieco]
2245They spent all day, every day,
2246
2247492
224800:25:38,246 --> 00:25:39,372
2249out in the vineyards
2250
2251493
225200:25:39,580 --> 00:25:41,290
2253working the soil,
2254working the vines,
2255
2256494
225700:25:41,499 --> 00:25:43,709
2258and, most importantly,
2259
2260495
226100:25:43,918 --> 00:25:46,045
2262documenting what they did,
2263
2264496
226500:25:46,254 --> 00:25:48,839
2266so quite a few of the great
2267wine areas of Europe,
2268
2269497
227000:25:49,048 --> 00:25:51,133
2271we know exactly what they did
2272and when they did it
2273
2274498
227500:25:51,342 --> 00:25:54,178
2276because of
2277these religious orders.
2278
2279499
228000:25:55,930 --> 00:25:59,976
2281In France, this happened
2282over centuries,
2283
2284500
228500:26:00,184 --> 00:26:01,394
2286and it happened at a time
2287
2288501
228900:26:01,602 --> 00:26:05,439
2290without economic pressure
2291at all.
2292
2293502
229400:26:15,283 --> 00:26:18,536
2295Ultimately in Europe,
2296history is revered.
2297
2298503
229900:26:18,744 --> 00:26:19,829
2300It's part and parcel
2301
2302504
230300:26:20,037 --> 00:26:21,497
2304of what they do every day.
2305
2306505
230700:26:21,706 --> 00:26:22,915
2308They walk through the streets,
2309
2310506
231100:26:23,124 --> 00:26:25,251
2312and it's there
2313in front of them.
2314
2315507
231600:26:25,459 --> 00:26:26,669
2317Most European winemakers now,
2318
2319508
232000:26:26,877 --> 00:26:28,921
2321many of them
2322have been handed
2323
2324509
232500:26:29,130 --> 00:26:31,048
2326properties and vineyards
2327and chateaus
2328
2329510
233000:26:31,257 --> 00:26:33,092
2331from their parents,
2332grandparents,
2333
2334511
233500:26:33,301 --> 00:26:36,637
2336great grandparents,
2337sometimes 13, 16 generations,
2338
2339512
234000:26:36,846 --> 00:26:39,557
2341and they have no cost of land.
2342
2343513
234400:26:39,765 --> 00:26:41,350
2345They have the vineyard.
2346
2347514
234800:26:41,559 --> 00:26:42,935
2349It's their job
2350to take care of them,
2351
2352515
235300:26:43,144 --> 00:26:44,687
2354their job to make the wine.
2355
2356516
235700:26:48,441 --> 00:26:51,277
2358You know, my family has been
2359always in the wine business.
2360
2361517
236200:26:51,485 --> 00:26:52,653
2363As it happens often,
2364
2365518
236600:26:52,862 --> 00:26:53,904
2367in Italy or in Barolo,
2368
2369519
237000:26:54,113 --> 00:26:55,781
2371my father took over
2372his father,
2373
2374520
237500:26:55,990 --> 00:26:57,575
2376which took over his father,
2377which took over his papa.
2378
2379521
238000:26:57,783 --> 00:27:00,953
2381We go back almost 200 years.
2382
2383522
238400:27:01,162 --> 00:27:04,081
2385Well, I'm-- I think--
2386I'm the seventh generation.
2387
2388523
238900:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,751
2390My daughter is now
239111th generation.
2392
2393524
239400:27:06,959 --> 00:27:09,211
2395In Hermitage
2396I'm the 16th generation,
2397
2398525
239900:27:09,420 --> 00:27:13,215
2400and so we know exactly the wine
2401I'm making in Hermitage,
2402
2403526
240400:27:13,424 --> 00:27:16,594
2405I'm making from vines
2406that were planted by my father,
2407
2408527
240900:27:16,802 --> 00:27:18,929
2410my grandfather,
2411my great grandfather,
2412
2413528
241400:27:19,138 --> 00:27:21,599
2415so we know them so well.
2416
2417529
241800:27:26,354 --> 00:27:28,064
2419[Parr] There's so much history
2420at Hermitage, you know?
2421
2422530
242300:27:28,272 --> 00:27:30,358
2424Think, going back in 400 BC,
2425
2426531
242700:27:30,566 --> 00:27:32,860
2428when the Romans
2429planted vineyards there,
2430
2431532
243200:27:33,069 --> 00:27:36,530
2433and to think about today,
2434there are still vineyards there.
2435
2436533
243700:27:36,739 --> 00:27:39,033
2438It's still called Hermitage.
2439
2440534
244100:27:39,241 --> 00:27:41,160
2442They still have Syrah.
2443It's kind of mind boggling.
2444
2445535
244600:27:44,789 --> 00:27:47,124
2447The legend of Hermitage
2448goes like this.
2449
2450536
245100:27:47,333 --> 00:27:48,584
2452There's this knight,
2453
2454537
245500:27:48,793 --> 00:27:49,919
2456who fought in the Crusades,
2457
2458538
245900:27:50,127 --> 00:27:53,172
2460and this guy is a war hero.
2461
2462539
246300:27:53,381 --> 00:27:55,257
2464This knight comes back injured.
2465
2466540
246700:27:55,466 --> 00:27:59,720
2468And as a reward,
2469the queen of France allows him to recover
2470
2471541
247200:27:59,929 --> 00:28:02,848
2473and heal his wounds
2474on top of this hill.
2475
2476542
247700:28:03,057 --> 00:28:04,392
2478And he never leaves.
2479
2480543
248100:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,018
2482And the villagers down there
2483
2484544
248500:28:06,227 --> 00:28:07,186
2486know that he's up there,
2487
2488545
248900:28:07,395 --> 00:28:08,646
2490this legendary war hero,
2491
2492546
249300:28:08,854 --> 00:28:10,564
2494and they started calling him
2495the hermit.
2496
2497547
249800:28:10,773 --> 00:28:13,693
2499And that's how Hermitage
2500got its name.
2501
2502548
250300:28:16,904 --> 00:28:18,280
2504If you get
2505on this journey of wine,
2506
2507549
250800:28:18,489 --> 00:28:20,491
2509and you kind of get bitten
2510by the wine bug,
2511
2512550
251300:28:20,700 --> 00:28:21,951
2514and you fall in love with it,
2515
2516551
251700:28:22,159 --> 00:28:25,079
2518you end up having epiphanies
2519along the way.
2520
2521552
252200:28:25,287 --> 00:28:31,252
2523One of those bottles
2524happened to be a 1990 Chave Hermitage.
2525
2526553
252700:28:31,460 --> 00:28:33,796
2528I didn't know Syrah
2529could taste like that--
2530
2531554
253200:28:34,004 --> 00:28:35,548
2533smoked meat, pepper,
2534
2535555
253600:28:35,756 --> 00:28:37,341
2537Provençal herbs,
2538
2539556
254000:28:37,550 --> 00:28:38,884
2541violets,
2542
2543557
254400:28:39,093 --> 00:28:40,511
2545blackberry, blueberry,
2546
2547558
254800:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,887
2549granite.
2550
2551559
255200:28:42,096 --> 00:28:44,390
2553I fell in love
2554with Syrah that day,
2555
2556560
255700:28:44,598 --> 00:28:46,308
2558and it was a bottle
2559of Chave Hermitage.
2560
2561561
256200:28:46,517 --> 00:28:48,936
2563Jean-Louis Chave--
2564he is the wine.
2565
2566562
256700:28:49,145 --> 00:28:52,648
2568He lives on the hill
2569of Hermitage.
2570
2571563
257200:28:52,857 --> 00:28:54,024
2573This is the hermit.
2574
2575564
257600:28:54,233 --> 00:28:56,193
2577This is the hermit
2578on Hermitage today.
2579
2580565
258100:28:56,402 --> 00:28:57,611
2582He is on that hill,
2583
2584566
258500:28:57,820 --> 00:29:02,867
2586and he is connected
2587to his little plot.
2588
2589567
259000:29:04,952 --> 00:29:08,164
2591If I had to pick
2592one epiphany wine,
2593
2594568
259500:29:08,372 --> 00:29:12,918
2596one wine which made me say,
2597"This is it,"
2598
2599569
260000:29:13,127 --> 00:29:16,922
2601it's 1969 Chave Hermitage.
2602
2603570
260400:29:17,131 --> 00:29:22,595
2605So I'm gonna open
2606a bottle of Hermitage, 1969.
2607
2608571
260900:29:22,803 --> 00:29:24,930
2610It's an important wine for me
2611
2612572
261300:29:25,139 --> 00:29:28,017
2614because I was born in 1968,
2615
2616573
261700:29:28,225 --> 00:29:30,227
2618which was a catastrophe
2619for wine,
2620
2621574
262200:29:30,436 --> 00:29:34,523
2623so they haven't even bottled
2624a single bottle of '68,
2625
2626575
262700:29:34,732 --> 00:29:37,943
2628so my dad saved for me,
2629
2630576
263100:29:38,152 --> 00:29:40,654
2632a '69 red Hermitage.
2633
2634577
263500:29:44,492 --> 00:29:46,327
2636Old bottles are very important
2637
2638578
263900:29:46,535 --> 00:29:50,206
2640because of the memory
2641of the Domaine.
2642
2643579
264400:29:50,414 --> 00:29:52,458
2645It's like your old books.
2646
2647580
264800:29:55,002 --> 00:29:57,713
2649Once you drink it,
2650it's gone forever,
2651
2652581
265300:29:57,922 --> 00:30:00,758
2654but before being drunk,
2655like when you touch a bottle,
2656
2657582
265800:30:00,966 --> 00:30:03,010
2659it's a reality.
2660
2661583
266200:30:04,762 --> 00:30:06,263
2663And then you drink the wine,
2664
2665584
266600:30:06,472 --> 00:30:07,890
2667and then the wines
2668will be gone.
2669
2670585
267100:30:08,098 --> 00:30:09,642
2672It will be in your memory.
2673
2674586
267500:30:09,850 --> 00:30:12,061
2676His history goes so far back.
2677
2678587
267900:30:12,269 --> 00:30:13,938
2680The Chave family
2681has been there so long.
2682
2683588
268400:30:14,146 --> 00:30:17,441
2685The same family,
2686who's owned it since 1481...
2687
2688589
268900:30:23,531 --> 00:30:26,200
2690[Chave]
2691This wine was made by my grandfather
2692
2693590
269400:30:26,408 --> 00:30:29,662
2695when my father started
2696to work with him.
2697
2698591
269900:30:29,870 --> 00:30:32,998
2700Maybe they were sharing
2701some experience with my dad
2702
2703592
270400:30:33,207 --> 00:30:36,418
2705that decided on that blend.
2706
2707593
270800:30:36,627 --> 00:30:38,379
2709It's a piece of history for us.
2710
2711594
271200:30:46,428 --> 00:30:48,013
2713Yeah, the color is perfect.
2714
2715595
271600:30:52,935 --> 00:30:55,062
2717Yeah, it's a very good bottle, actually.
2718
2719596
272000:31:02,778 --> 00:31:06,365
2721This whole philosophy
2722is like people come and go,
2723
2724597
272500:31:06,574 --> 00:31:08,826
2726but the vineyard
2727is still around,
2728
2729598
273000:31:09,034 --> 00:31:11,871
2731and wine can age
2732for a very long time, actually.
2733
2734599
273500:31:13,998 --> 00:31:15,708
2736When we open a bottle,
2737we taste it,
2738
2739600
274000:31:15,916 --> 00:31:19,253
2741we go back to everything
2742what happened
2743
2744601
274500:31:19,461 --> 00:31:23,007
2746from now all the way
2747to back then,
2748
2749602
275000:31:23,215 --> 00:31:26,385
2751the link between generation.
2752
2753603
275400:31:28,721 --> 00:31:31,140
2755It reminds them
2756of a time and a place...
2757
2758604
275900:31:32,933 --> 00:31:34,768
2760and work that was done
2761with specific people
2762
2763605
276400:31:34,977 --> 00:31:37,062
2765in specific times.
2766You know?
2767
2768606
276900:31:37,271 --> 00:31:40,691
2770And it's like you almost see
2771their life flashing before their eyes
2772
2773607
277400:31:40,900 --> 00:31:42,693
2775in that one bottle of wine.
2776
2777608
277800:31:57,416 --> 00:31:59,168
2779[Grieco]
2780How I define greatness in wine
2781
2782609
278300:31:59,376 --> 00:32:00,711
2784is that great wine--
2785
2786610
278700:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,004
2788this applies across
2789the board--
2790
2791611
279200:32:02,212 --> 00:32:04,298
2793must have a sense of balance,
2794
2795612
279600:32:04,506 --> 00:32:05,341
2797complexity,
2798
2799613
280000:32:05,549 --> 00:32:06,842
2801delicacy,
2802
2803614
280400:32:07,051 --> 00:32:09,219
2805sense of place,
2806a.k.a. terroir,
2807
2808615
280900:32:09,428 --> 00:32:12,514
2810ability to age,
2811and yumminess.
2812
2813616
281400:32:12,723 --> 00:32:15,809
2815And I look at those six criteria,
2816and I say, "Holy shit.
2817
2818617
281900:32:16,018 --> 00:32:19,396
2820"Riesling exceeds all
2821expectations in these six areas.
2822
2823618
282400:32:19,605 --> 00:32:22,149
2825Why can't other people see this?"
2826
2827619
282800:32:22,358 --> 00:32:24,735
2829Somms have a love affair
2830with Riesling
2831
2832620
283300:32:24,944 --> 00:32:27,237
2834because it's crisp,
2835
2836621
283700:32:27,446 --> 00:32:29,782
2838it's high acid,
2839it's mineral,
2840
2841622
284200:32:29,990 --> 00:32:32,451
2843and when you taste as much wine
2844as sommeliers taste,
2845
2846623
284700:32:32,660 --> 00:32:35,412
2848you end up craving wines that
2849don't fatigue your palate.
2850
2851624
285200:32:35,621 --> 00:32:38,248
2853You crave wines
2854that refresh your palate.
2855
2856625
285700:32:38,457 --> 00:32:39,291
2858The biggest misconception,
2859
2860626
286100:32:39,500 --> 00:32:41,126
2862probably, with the public,
2863
2864627
286500:32:41,335 --> 00:32:43,879
2866is that somehow Riesling
2867is going to be sweet,
2868
2869628
287000:32:44,088 --> 00:32:47,049
2871and, yes, there are a ton
2872of delicious sweet examples,
2873
2874629
287500:32:47,257 --> 00:32:51,220
2876but there's also
2877some amazing, bone-dry Riesling
2878
2879630
288000:32:51,428 --> 00:32:53,097
2881that is not sweet at all,
2882
2883631
288400:32:53,305 --> 00:32:54,974
2885and when that gets served
2886to someone
2887
2888632
288900:32:55,182 --> 00:32:58,310
2890who I know
2891doesn't like Riesling,
2892
2893633
289400:32:58,519 --> 00:33:00,145
2895they go,
2896"Wow, this is Riesling?"
2897
2898634
289900:33:00,354 --> 00:33:03,107
2900I'm like,
2901"Yeah, it's Riesling."
2902
2903635
290400:33:03,315 --> 00:33:04,692
2905Most of the great Rieslings
2906of the world
2907
2908636
290900:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,945
2910are grown in slate soils,
2911particularly in Germany,
2912
2913637
291400:33:08,153 --> 00:33:09,905
2915but there's some
2916incredible examples
2917
2918638
291900:33:10,114 --> 00:33:11,031
2920coming from Austria
2921
2922639
292300:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,117
2924and Alsace as well.
2925
2926640
292700:33:13,325 --> 00:33:16,370
2928If you look
2929at where Riesling is grown,
2930
2931641
293200:33:16,578 --> 00:33:18,956
2933and then you think
2934about World War II
2935
2936642
293700:33:19,164 --> 00:33:20,749
2938and World War I,
2939
2940643
294100:33:20,958 --> 00:33:24,044
2942and how is Germany
2943gonna occupy France,
2944
2945644
294600:33:24,253 --> 00:33:27,673
2947it's literally right
2948through that narrow corridor
2949
2950645
295100:33:27,881 --> 00:33:29,341
2952that is Riesling Mecca.
2953
2954646
295500:33:31,802 --> 00:33:33,053
2956The two last wars,
2957
2958647
295900:33:33,262 --> 00:33:36,724
2960World War II and World War I,
2961of course,
2962
2963648
296400:33:36,932 --> 00:33:38,934
2965were quite devastating.
2966
2967649
296800:33:41,061 --> 00:33:43,063
2969Most of the vineyards
2970have been destroyed.
2971
2972650
297300:33:43,272 --> 00:33:46,358
2974Most of the winemakers died,
2975
2976651
297700:33:46,567 --> 00:33:49,653
2978so nobody was left to do
2979the hard work in the steep vineyards.
2980
2981652
298200:34:11,675 --> 00:34:12,885
2983[Hepp]
2984There were big parties going on
2985
2986653
298700:34:13,093 --> 00:34:14,053
2988after World War II,
2989
2990654
299100:34:14,261 --> 00:34:15,804
2992from soldiers also,
2993
2994655
299500:34:16,013 --> 00:34:18,265
2996so they drank
2997and they enjoyed
2998
2999656
300000:34:18,474 --> 00:34:19,808
3001all these famous vintages.
3002
3003657
300400:34:20,017 --> 00:34:21,727
3005I mean, somebody comes
3006invading your country,
3007
3008658
300900:34:21,935 --> 00:34:24,063
3010and they drink up
3011most of your inventory you can't hide.
3012
3013659
301400:34:24,271 --> 00:34:26,440
3015Don't see a lot of
3016'37s and '38s around, do you?
3017
3018660
301900:34:26,648 --> 00:34:28,692
3020'39s?
3021
3022661
302300:34:31,945 --> 00:34:36,950
3024The winery is now more
3025than 270 years in family,
3026
3027662
302800:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,411
3029but that's not
3030our original building.
3031
3032663
303300:34:39,620 --> 00:34:41,038
3034We lost it
3035in the Second World War,
3036
3037664
303800:34:41,246 --> 00:34:43,165
3039by bombs.
3040
3041665
304200:34:43,373 --> 00:34:46,335
3043They've adapted in that way.
3044
3045666
304600:34:46,543 --> 00:34:47,711
3047I mean, they're used to it.
3048
3049667
305000:34:50,005 --> 00:34:52,925
3051Look at Champagne.
3052I mean, the whole World War I,
3053
3054668
305500:34:53,133 --> 00:34:54,635
3056the trench war--
3057the most horrific
3058
3059669
306000:34:54,843 --> 00:34:57,846
3061blood-to-nose battle to battle
3062in history,
3063
3064670
306500:34:58,055 --> 00:34:59,473
3066and at the end of the war
3067was what?
3068
3069671
307000:34:59,681 --> 00:35:01,600
3071Trenches, rats,
3072and dead bodies. Right?
3073
3074672
307500:35:01,809 --> 00:35:03,894
3076And look where Champagne
3077is today.
3078
3079673
308000:35:04,103 --> 00:35:06,814
3081Planted out with the most
3082expensive wines in the world,
3083
3084674
308500:35:07,022 --> 00:35:09,441
3086and the quality's
3087never been better.
3088
3089675
309000:35:09,650 --> 00:35:11,652
3091Our cellars were raided
3092during the Second World War,
3093
3094676
309500:35:11,860 --> 00:35:15,114
3096so we don't have anything
3097prior to mid-40s.
3098
3099677
310000:35:17,699 --> 00:35:22,538
3101The German came
3102and they took over, actually, this house.
3103
3104678
310500:35:22,746 --> 00:35:24,540
3106My great grandfather and grandfather
3107
3108679
310900:35:24,748 --> 00:35:29,628
3110were smart to hide this cellar.
3111
3112680
311300:35:29,837 --> 00:35:32,047
3114That's why we still have
3115these old bottles of wine.
3116
3117681
311800:35:33,882 --> 00:35:35,592
3119If you've been
3120to some of these wineries,
3121
3122682
312300:35:35,801 --> 00:35:37,678
3124you see
3125all that history unfold.
3126
3127683
312800:35:37,886 --> 00:35:40,389
3129You can't help but have
3130a visual association
3131
3132684
313300:35:40,597 --> 00:35:42,474
3134with that grape and that place
3135
3136685
313700:35:42,683 --> 00:35:43,892
3138and what people went through.
3139
3140686
314100:35:44,101 --> 00:35:47,437
3142I think it makes
3143the great Riesling,
3144
3145687
314600:35:47,646 --> 00:35:50,816
3147and it makes the region
3148that much more enriching.
3149
3150688
315100:35:52,860 --> 00:35:55,362
3152I love these places
3153in the world for food or wine
3154
3155689
315600:35:55,571 --> 00:35:57,072
3157where cultures clash,
3158
3159690
316000:35:57,281 --> 00:36:00,909
3161and nothing pushes
3162evolution more than conflict
3163
3164691
316500:36:01,118 --> 00:36:02,202
3166and struggle.
3167
3168692
316900:36:02,411 --> 00:36:04,830
3170And it forces the people
3171to evolve,
3172
3173693
317400:36:05,038 --> 00:36:07,833
3175the food to evolve,
3176the wine to evolve.
3177
3178694
317900:36:08,041 --> 00:36:11,795
3180And to me it's where
3181a lot of the best wine and food is made.
3182
3183695
318400:36:13,255 --> 00:36:16,008
3185Now, this is also a painful process,
3186without a doubt.
3187
3188696
318900:36:16,216 --> 00:36:18,385
3190The greatest winemakers
3191
3192697
319300:36:18,594 --> 00:36:20,679
3194still went through
3195a little rough patch
3196
3197698
319800:36:20,888 --> 00:36:22,222
3199and then came out.
3200
3201699
320200:36:27,186 --> 00:36:31,315
3203Alsace, France is so fascinating.
3204
3205700
320600:36:31,523 --> 00:36:34,943
3207Whenever there was a war
3208in Europe,
3209
3210701
321100:36:35,152 --> 00:36:37,738
3212because of the location of Alsace,
3213
3214702
321500:36:37,946 --> 00:36:39,072
3216we never missed one.
3217
3218703
321900:36:39,281 --> 00:36:40,532
3220We never missed a war.
3221
3222704
322300:36:40,741 --> 00:36:42,409
3224Alsace once belonged to Germany,
3225
3226705
322700:36:42,618 --> 00:36:45,162
3228and there was wine growing
3229in Alsace in those days.
3230
3231706
323200:36:45,370 --> 00:36:47,372
3233Now Alsace belongs to France,
3234
3235707
323600:36:47,581 --> 00:36:49,958
3237and they still grow wine
3238on the same vineyards.
3239
3240708
324100:36:50,167 --> 00:36:51,710
3242To explain the Alsace history,
3243
3244709
324500:36:51,919 --> 00:36:54,922
3246a good example would be
3247the three last generations.
3248
3249710
325000:36:55,130 --> 00:36:57,090
3251My grandfather
3252was born Prussian,
3253
3254711
325500:36:57,299 --> 00:36:58,634
3256and he studied German.
3257
3258712
325900:36:58,842 --> 00:37:00,177
3260He didn't speak any French.
3261
3262713
326300:37:00,385 --> 00:37:02,846
3264My father was born
3265just before the Second War.
3266
3267714
326800:37:03,055 --> 00:37:05,349
3269And he studied half French,
3270
3271715
327200:37:05,557 --> 00:37:08,435
3273and then the war came,
3274and he studied German.
3275
3276716
327700:37:08,644 --> 00:37:10,229
3278Results-- he don't speak German,
3279he don't speak French.
3280
3281717
328200:37:10,437 --> 00:37:12,189
3283He speaks Alsatian language.
3284
3285718
328600:37:12,397 --> 00:37:15,567
3287My generation--
3288I studied French and I speak fluently French,
3289
3290719
329100:37:15,776 --> 00:37:18,028
3292so three generations, three languages.
3293
3294720
329500:37:18,237 --> 00:37:20,656
3296People in Alsace have the structure
3297
3298721
329900:37:20,864 --> 00:37:22,866
3300of the German culture,
3301
3302722
330300:37:23,075 --> 00:37:25,160
3304and they also have
3305the romance of France.
3306
3307723
330800:37:32,501 --> 00:37:34,670
3309[Parr]
3310Clos Sainte Hune Riesling, I think,
3311
3312724
331300:37:34,878 --> 00:37:38,215
3314maybe the most--
3315one of the most compelling wines
3316
3317725
331800:37:38,423 --> 00:37:39,508
3319on this planet.
3320
3321726
332200:37:39,716 --> 00:37:42,135
3323Clos Sainte Hune
3324is certainly revered
3325
3326727
332700:37:42,344 --> 00:37:45,472
3328as one of the great examples
3329of Riesling
3330
3331728
333200:37:45,681 --> 00:37:47,307
3333from one of the great
3334Riesling growing areas
3335
3336729
333700:37:47,516 --> 00:37:49,184
3338on the planet Earth.
3339
3340730
334100:37:49,393 --> 00:37:53,605
3342[Parr] These wines can age
334350 plus years, no problem.
3344
3345731
334600:37:53,814 --> 00:37:55,732
3347[Dame] It's one of the greatest
3348single vineyards in the world.
3349
3350732
335100:37:55,941 --> 00:37:58,944
3352It produces a wine
3353that's almost indescribable.
3354
3355733
335600:37:59,152 --> 00:38:00,946
3357[Parr]
3358Bergamot, lemon,
3359
3360734
336100:38:01,154 --> 00:38:03,240
3362all these kind of flavors
3363you get when they're young.
3364
3365735
336600:38:03,448 --> 00:38:06,159
3367In its youth,
3368it's like a slap across the face
3369
3370736
337100:38:06,368 --> 00:38:07,744
3372from your mother
3373when she's pissed off
3374
3375737
337600:38:07,953 --> 00:38:09,621
3377that you came home late
3378at night when she told you
3379
3380738
338100:38:09,830 --> 00:38:11,373
3382to be home at 10:00,
3383
3384739
338500:38:11,581 --> 00:38:13,417
3386but she still forgives you
3387and loves you the next day,
3388
3389740
339000:38:13,625 --> 00:38:16,295
3391and ultimately Clos Sainte Hune
3392will do that with you also.
3393
3394741
339500:38:16,503 --> 00:38:20,257
3396And then as they get older,
3397you get that orangesuckle bergamot tea,
3398
3399742
340000:38:20,465 --> 00:38:23,802
3401this very kind of honey
3402and crushed rocks.
3403
3404743
340500:38:26,013 --> 00:38:27,556
3406It's got history behind it.
3407
3408744
340900:38:27,764 --> 00:38:29,850
3410It's got an unbelievable
3411family behind it
3412
3413745
341400:38:30,058 --> 00:38:33,979
3415that can go back, I think,
341612, 13 generations.
3417
3418746
341900:38:34,187 --> 00:38:36,481
3420Our father took over in 1952,
3421
3422747
342300:38:36,690 --> 00:38:39,026
3424just after World War II,
3425
3426748
342700:38:39,234 --> 00:38:42,195
3428and we know how difficult
3429was that period.
3430
3431749
343200:38:42,404 --> 00:38:43,947
3433He basically had to sell
3434
3435750
343600:38:44,156 --> 00:38:45,866
3437all what he could produce,
3438
3439751
344000:38:46,074 --> 00:38:50,245
3441so he only put a few bottles
3442on the side, very, very few.
3443
3444752
344500:38:50,454 --> 00:38:51,663
3446So this '62--
3447
3448753
344900:38:51,872 --> 00:38:54,333
3450[chuckles]
3451I must confess is quite rare.
3452
3453754
345400:38:54,541 --> 00:38:55,959
3455And the more I handle it,
3456
3457755
345800:38:56,168 --> 00:38:57,878
3459the more I have--
3460how you call it?
3461
3462756
346300:38:58,086 --> 00:39:02,215
3464Goosebumps or chicken bumps,
3465whatever that is. You know?
3466
3467757
346800:39:05,677 --> 00:39:10,057
3469It's-- It's all what about--
3470this business is about,
3471
3472758
347300:39:10,265 --> 00:39:12,142
3474sharing great wine
3475
3476759
347700:39:12,351 --> 00:39:15,312
3478and sharing the passion
3479for wine.
3480
3481760
348200:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,898
3483So, Julien,
3484why don't you come here
3485
3486761
348700:39:18,106 --> 00:39:20,025
3488and have a little sip with me.
3489
3490762
349100:39:23,070 --> 00:39:25,906
3492So here is Julien,
349313th generation.
3494
3495763
349600:39:32,662 --> 00:39:36,958
34971962 was rather exceptional
3498for Alsace,
3499
3500764
350100:39:37,167 --> 00:39:38,877
3502and I guess,
3503like the English would say,
3504
3505765
350600:39:39,086 --> 00:39:40,879
3507the proof is in the pudding.
3508
3509766
351000:39:42,339 --> 00:39:43,757
3511What do you think?
3512
3513767
351400:39:46,510 --> 00:39:48,804
3515Still very fresh.
3516
3517768
351800:39:49,012 --> 00:39:51,056
3519Very fresh, complex minerally,
3520
3521769
352200:39:51,264 --> 00:39:52,766
3523intense, shiny.
3524
3525770
352600:39:52,974 --> 00:39:54,101
3527It has a great acidity,
3528
3529771
353000:39:54,309 --> 00:39:56,853
3531the aftertaste.
3532
3533772
353400:39:57,062 --> 00:40:00,774
3535Well, you have to put
3536this wine in your memory.
3537
3538773
353900:40:00,982 --> 00:40:03,360
3540You have to register everything.
3541
3542774
354300:40:03,568 --> 00:40:05,946
3544Every little detail
3545of each vintage
3546
3547775
354800:40:06,154 --> 00:40:07,614
3549has to be registered
3550in your mind
3551
3552776
355300:40:07,823 --> 00:40:13,203
3554in order for you to eventually
3555have it blind one day
3556
3557777
355800:40:13,412 --> 00:40:15,330
3559and tell us,
3560"Oh, my God, I remember.
3561
3562778
356300:40:15,539 --> 00:40:16,665
3564This is 1962."
3565
3566779
356700:40:16,873 --> 00:40:17,958
3568Huh?
3569
3570780
357100:40:23,547 --> 00:40:24,965
3572We know where we come from.
3573
3574781
357500:40:25,173 --> 00:40:26,925
3576I know
3577where we are going to go.
3578
3579782
358000:40:27,134 --> 00:40:29,428
3581I mean, of course
3582I'm going to die,
3583
3584783
358500:40:29,636 --> 00:40:31,847
3586hopefully earlier than you,
3587
3588784
358900:40:32,055 --> 00:40:35,016
3590so we are just in transition.
3591
3592785
359300:40:35,225 --> 00:40:36,518
3594We are just making sure
3595
3596786
359700:40:36,726 --> 00:40:38,520
3598that what we have today,
3599
3600787
360100:40:38,728 --> 00:40:40,939
3602as far as our vineyards
3603are concerned
3604
3605788
360600:40:41,148 --> 00:40:43,692
3607and the shape of the winery,
3608if I may say,
3609
3610789
361100:40:43,900 --> 00:40:47,404
3612and how the winery is
3613performing will be donated
3614
3615790
361600:40:47,612 --> 00:40:49,698
3617to our 13th generation,
3618
3619791
362000:40:49,906 --> 00:40:51,700
3621in the best possible shape,
3622
3623792
362400:40:51,908 --> 00:40:53,034
3625so to speak.
3626
3627793
362800:40:54,411 --> 00:40:56,121
3629- Cheers.
3630- Cheers.
3631
3632794
363300:40:56,329 --> 00:40:59,207
3634<i>Skelt</i>. In Alsace we say,
3635<i>"Skelt."</i>
3636
3637795
363800:40:59,416 --> 00:41:01,501
3639<i>Skelt</i>. Alsatian dialect.
3640
3641796
364200:41:16,766 --> 00:41:21,688
3643[Puckette] In France they do things
3644through meticulous study,
3645
3646797
364700:41:21,897 --> 00:41:23,815
3648very little experimentation,
3649
3650798
365100:41:24,024 --> 00:41:25,317
3652and trying to understand
3653
3654799
365500:41:25,525 --> 00:41:26,943
3656what it is that they have
3657around them.
3658
3659800
366000:41:27,152 --> 00:41:29,029
3661In the U.S. you have people
3662over here going,
3663
3664801
366500:41:29,237 --> 00:41:31,364
3666"Well, shit,
3667can I grow wine here?"
3668
3669802
367000:41:31,573 --> 00:41:32,782
3671"I don't know."
3672
3673803
367400:41:32,991 --> 00:41:35,368
3675"Well, Frank,
3676let's give it a try."
3677
3678804
367900:41:46,338 --> 00:41:47,714
3680American ingenuity
3681
3682805
368300:41:47,923 --> 00:41:49,549
3684is constantly playing
3685with things.
3686
3687806
368800:41:49,758 --> 00:41:53,011
3689Much of the traditional
3690European paradigm
3691
3692807
369300:41:53,220 --> 00:41:55,263
3694is based on the opposite.
3695
3696808
369700:41:55,472 --> 00:41:57,891
3698We brought grapes
3699in from Europe.
3700
3701809
370200:41:58,099 --> 00:41:59,684
3703We're not even using
3704our own grapes.
3705
3706810
370700:41:59,893 --> 00:42:01,728
3708We thought one was, Zinfandel,
3709
3710811
371100:42:01,937 --> 00:42:03,813
3712and then it turns out
3713it's Croatian.
3714
3715812
371600:42:04,022 --> 00:42:05,232
3717It's not even ours.
3718
3719813
372000:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,650
3721I think an American
3722has an advantage
3723
3724814
372500:42:06,858 --> 00:42:08,693
3726over European because of--
3727
3728815
372900:42:08,902 --> 00:42:10,445
3730his spirit is much freer.
3731
3732816
373300:42:10,654 --> 00:42:13,490
3734There's a lot of freedom
3735for American winemakers,
3736
3737817
373800:42:13,698 --> 00:42:15,200
3739wine growers,
3740
3741818
374200:42:15,408 --> 00:42:18,078
3743to have an experiment
3744with different grape varieties.
3745
3746819
374700:42:18,286 --> 00:42:19,538
3748It's a good thing.
3749
3750820
375100:42:19,746 --> 00:42:21,665
3752It's a young wine region.
3753
3754821
375500:42:21,873 --> 00:42:23,124
3756I think in maybe
3757a hundred years
3758
3759822
376000:42:23,333 --> 00:42:24,584
3761we'll figure it out.
3762
3763823
376400:42:24,793 --> 00:42:26,169
3765[McClintic]
3766We are kids in a candy store.
3767
3768824
376900:42:26,378 --> 00:42:29,422
3770We can plant any grape
3771we want in any place.
3772
3773825
377400:42:29,631 --> 00:42:31,466
3775We have no limitations.
3776
3777826
377800:42:35,136 --> 00:42:37,138
3779[Puckette]
3780Washington-- it's a crazy region
3781
3782827
378300:42:37,347 --> 00:42:40,100
3784because there's all these grapes
3785growing everywhere,
3786
3787828
378800:42:40,308 --> 00:42:43,728
3789and there's--
3790like it has no feature,
3791
3792829
379300:42:43,937 --> 00:42:45,480
3794like, "Oh, there's
3795good red wine here.
3796
3797830
379800:42:45,689 --> 00:42:47,774
3799Oh, there's
3800good Riesling too."
3801
3802831
380300:42:47,983 --> 00:42:49,901
3804Washington grows a wide range,
3805
3806832
380700:42:50,110 --> 00:42:52,821
3808probably three dozen
3809different grape varieties.
3810
3811833
381200:42:53,029 --> 00:42:54,739
3813And what's amazing to us
3814
3815834
381600:42:54,948 --> 00:42:56,074
3817is how we have challenged
3818
3819835
382000:42:56,283 --> 00:42:57,534
3821this classic idea
3822
3823836
382400:42:57,742 --> 00:43:00,328
3825that you have to grow
3826Cabernet in Bordeaux
3827
3828837
382900:43:00,537 --> 00:43:01,621
3830and Riesling in Germany
3831
3832838
383300:43:01,830 --> 00:43:03,748
3834and pinot noir in Burgundy,
3835
3836839
383700:43:03,957 --> 00:43:05,792
3838and you can't mix
3839these things.
3840
3841840
384200:43:10,380 --> 00:43:12,257
3843What's really great
3844about what's happening
3845
3846841
384700:43:12,465 --> 00:43:14,259
3848right now in the landscape
3849in California
3850
3851842
385200:43:14,467 --> 00:43:16,219
3853is there's
3854so much experimentation.
3855
3856843
385700:43:18,138 --> 00:43:21,266
3858We work with <i>Trousseau Gris,</i>
3859Pinot Gris.
3860
3861844
386200:43:21,474 --> 00:43:22,809
3863Frappato,
3864
3865845
386600:43:23,018 --> 00:43:24,436
3867Lacrima di Morro,
3868
3869846
387000:43:24,644 --> 00:43:26,021
3871Blaufränkisch,
3872
3873847
387400:43:26,229 --> 00:43:27,480
3875Pinot Noir,
3876
3877848
387800:43:27,689 --> 00:43:29,190
3879Syrah, Grenache.
3880
3881849
388200:43:29,399 --> 00:43:30,859
3883Mourvèdre,
3884
3885850
388600:43:32,944 --> 00:43:34,154
3887Cabernet Sauvignon.
3888
3889851
389000:43:34,362 --> 00:43:35,447
3891And we have this climate
3892
3893852
389400:43:35,655 --> 00:43:37,407
3895that we can do
3896anything we want.
3897
3898853
389900:43:37,616 --> 00:43:39,326
3900I'm really into Riesling.
3901I'll fancy Riesling.
3902
3903854
390400:43:39,534 --> 00:43:41,286
3905They grow Riesling here,
3906it'd be badass.
3907
3908855
390900:43:41,494 --> 00:43:45,123
3910Don't forget that
3911most American wine businesses
3912
3913856
391400:43:45,332 --> 00:43:46,249
3915are first generation,
3916
3917857
391800:43:46,458 --> 00:43:47,959
3919so American winemakers,
3920
3921858
392200:43:48,168 --> 00:43:49,628
3923by necessity,
3924
3925859
392600:43:49,836 --> 00:43:51,588
3927have to think more
3928about the market.
3929
3930860
393100:43:51,796 --> 00:43:53,131
3932The reality is
3933cost of living here--
3934
3935861
393600:43:53,340 --> 00:43:54,841
3937it's a different animal.
3938
3939862
394000:43:55,050 --> 00:43:57,427
3941You know?
3942Like, you want to live in California
3943
3944863
394500:43:57,636 --> 00:44:00,388
3946where 90% of the nation's wine
3947comes from?
3948
3949864
395000:44:00,597 --> 00:44:04,142
3951You know?
3952Like, you gotta make some cash.
3953
3954865
395500:44:04,351 --> 00:44:06,686
3956There's so much bottom-line
3957stuff going on,
3958
3959866
396000:44:06,895 --> 00:44:10,690
3961and, you know,
3962I'm perfectly happy
3963
3964867
396500:44:10,899 --> 00:44:13,360
3966with really scraping by
3967
3968868
396900:44:13,568 --> 00:44:16,029
3970and roasting squirrels
3971under bridges
3972
3973869
397400:44:16,237 --> 00:44:18,198
3975as long as I can make
3976really great wine.
3977
3978870
397900:44:20,700 --> 00:44:22,535
3980Wine tradition is,
3981in California,
3982
3983871
398400:44:22,744 --> 00:44:24,079
3985is an oxymoron,
3986in my opinion.
3987
3988872
398900:44:24,287 --> 00:44:25,789
3990We don't want tradition.
3991
3992873
399300:44:25,997 --> 00:44:28,041
3994That's not what this place
3995is about.
3996
3997874
399800:44:28,249 --> 00:44:30,835
3999It's not us.
4000
4001875
400200:44:31,044 --> 00:44:32,962
4003What a lot of people
4004don't understand
4005
4006876
400700:44:33,171 --> 00:44:37,425
4008is California wine,
4009after the gold rush, was booming.
4010
4011877
401200:44:37,634 --> 00:44:39,886
4013We have, like, 1200 wineries now.
4014
4015878
401600:44:40,095 --> 00:44:43,473
4017We had 800 wineries
4018in the late 1800s.
4019
4020879
402100:44:43,682 --> 00:44:46,851
4022It's not like we had
4023wars fought on our own turf.
4024
4025880
402600:44:47,060 --> 00:44:50,021
4027People in Alsace are hiding.
4028
4029881
403000:44:50,230 --> 00:44:51,981
4031You know? They're hiding,
4032
4033882
403400:44:52,190 --> 00:44:53,525
4035you know, dodging bullets.
4036
4037883
403800:44:53,733 --> 00:44:55,276
4039They're trying not to die.
4040
4041884
404200:44:55,485 --> 00:44:57,112
4043We didn't have these problems.
4044
4045885
404600:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,239
4047We had a booming wine industry.
4048
4049886
405000:44:59,447 --> 00:45:01,533
4051We did have this
4052one thing, however,
4053
4054887
405500:45:01,741 --> 00:45:03,159
4056and the worst part of it
4057
4058888
405900:45:03,368 --> 00:45:04,744
4060is we did it to ourselves.
4061
4062889
406300:45:11,876 --> 00:45:13,503
4064[Lemon]
4065Prohibition really was a break.
4066
4067890
406800:45:13,712 --> 00:45:16,548
4069It was an enormous break
4070in the way--
4071
4072891
407300:45:16,756 --> 00:45:18,883
4074the whole culture
4075of American wine.
4076
4077892
407800:45:19,092 --> 00:45:21,386
4079Whatever we were trying to do
4080before Prohibition,
4081
4082893
408300:45:21,594 --> 00:45:23,346
4084it just wiped that slate clean,
4085
4086894
408700:45:23,555 --> 00:45:26,725
4088and we're only going now
4089on a hundred years
4090
4091895
409200:45:26,933 --> 00:45:28,184
4093of winemaking.
4094
4095896
409600:45:28,393 --> 00:45:30,603
4097It's just tragic.
4098
4099897
410000:45:30,812 --> 00:45:32,939
4101Yeah, it did screw up
4102the wine industry,
4103
4104898
410500:45:33,148 --> 00:45:35,275
4106but it also stopped
4107a whole lot of things
4108
4109899
411000:45:35,483 --> 00:45:37,235
4111that could potentially
4112still be in play
4113
4114900
411500:45:37,444 --> 00:45:38,820
4116that would've been really bad.
4117
4118901
411900:45:39,028 --> 00:45:40,780
4120There was no minimum alcohol.
4121
4122902
412300:45:40,989 --> 00:45:42,073
4124There was no regulation.
4125
4126903
412700:45:42,282 --> 00:45:45,076
4128And so when
4129Prohibition happened,
4130
4131904
413200:45:45,285 --> 00:45:47,579
4133we were, like--
4134everybody stopped.
4135
4136905
413700:45:47,787 --> 00:45:49,998
4138We needed
4139a little sobriety check.
4140
4141906
414200:45:50,206 --> 00:45:52,375
4143We're talking about grapes
4144that are the most popular grapes
4145
4146907
414700:45:52,584 --> 00:45:53,835
4148in the United States.
4149
4150908
415100:45:54,043 --> 00:45:55,295
4152We're talking
4153about French grapes--
4154
4155909
415600:45:55,503 --> 00:45:57,797
4157Chardonnay, Cabernet, Merlot.
4158
4159910
416000:45:58,006 --> 00:46:01,384
4161These are all wines from France,
4162grapes from France.
4163
4164911
416500:46:01,593 --> 00:46:03,178
4166If Prohibition had not happened
4167in the United States,
4168
4169912
417000:46:03,386 --> 00:46:05,138
4171I think we would be
4172much more focused
4173
4174913
417500:46:05,346 --> 00:46:06,473
4176on Italian varieties.
4177
4178914
417900:46:06,681 --> 00:46:10,435
4180I suspect that things
4181like Barbera
4182
4183915
418400:46:10,643 --> 00:46:11,895
4185and maybe even Nebbiolo
4186
4187916
418800:46:12,103 --> 00:46:13,438
4189or Sangiovese.
4190
4191917
419200:46:13,646 --> 00:46:16,441
4193Spain also might have had
4194a greater influence.
4195
4196918
419700:46:16,649 --> 00:46:17,942
4198It's often forgotten
4199
4200919
420100:46:18,151 --> 00:46:20,487
4202that some of the whites
4203in California
4204
4205920
420600:46:20,695 --> 00:46:24,449
4207that were dominant
4208pre-Prohibition were Spanish wines.
4209
4210921
421100:46:24,657 --> 00:46:26,785
4212[Mattiasson] It's one of the reasons,
4213I think, styles have changed
4214
4215922
421600:46:26,993 --> 00:46:28,912
4217so much the last 56 years.
4218
4219923
422000:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,872
4221Every decade style changes
4222because we're still figuring out
4223
4224924
422500:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,416
4226what the hell we are
4227as an industry.
4228
4229925
423000:46:42,675 --> 00:46:44,010
4231[McClintic]
4232Then you've got this guy,
4233
4234926
423500:46:44,219 --> 00:46:45,220
4236Robert Mondavi,
4237
4238927
423900:46:45,428 --> 00:46:46,805
4240who comes along in the '60s,
4241
4242928
424300:46:47,013 --> 00:46:49,224
4244and he's like,
4245"I've got an idea.
4246
4247929
424800:46:49,432 --> 00:46:50,767
4249"I'm going to open up a winery,
4250
4251930
425200:46:50,975 --> 00:46:52,018
4253"and not only a winery,
4254
4255931
425600:46:52,227 --> 00:46:55,897
4257"like a huge, ambitious winery,
4258
4259932
426000:46:56,105 --> 00:46:58,775
4261"like-- like I want to take down
4262the French.
4263
4264933
426500:46:58,983 --> 00:47:00,777
4266"I want to make the best wine
4267in the world
4268
4269934
427000:47:00,985 --> 00:47:03,071
4271here in California at a time--"
4272
4273935
427400:47:03,279 --> 00:47:05,907
4275It's like-- It's like, imagine the economy
4276goes down in, like, 2008,
4277
4278936
427900:47:06,115 --> 00:47:10,286
4280and you're like, "I wanna open up
4281a car manufacturer in Detroit."
4282
4283937
428400:47:10,495 --> 00:47:13,665
4285That's what
4286Robert Mondavi did with wine.
4287
4288938
428900:47:13,873 --> 00:47:16,376
4290The guy's got brass balls, man.
4291
4292939
429300:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,008
4294[Cauble]
4295If anybody thinks about American wine,
4296
4297940
429800:47:24,217 --> 00:47:25,927
4299the first thing they think about
4300
4301941
430200:47:26,135 --> 00:47:27,637
4303is Napa Valley, without a doubt.
4304
4305942
430600:47:27,846 --> 00:47:30,849
4307I think if Robert Mondavi didn't exist,
4308
4309943
431000:47:31,057 --> 00:47:33,268
4311California wine wouldn't exist.
4312
4313944
431400:47:35,144 --> 00:47:36,855
4315[woman]
4316At that time, you know, in 1960s,
4317
4318945
431900:47:37,063 --> 00:47:39,774
4320the valley was still kind of--
4321
4322946
432300:47:39,983 --> 00:47:41,484
4324kind of held back, you know.
4325
4326947
432700:47:41,693 --> 00:47:44,821
4328There was-- I think there
4329was 17,000 acres of grapes.
4330
4331948
433200:47:45,029 --> 00:47:46,948
4333Today there are 40,000.
4334
4335949
433600:47:47,156 --> 00:47:49,450
4337Much of the valley was for sale.
4338
4339950
434000:47:49,659 --> 00:47:52,704
4341It was still sort of recuperating
4342
4343951
434400:47:52,912 --> 00:47:56,708
4345from phylloxera, from Depression,
4346from the war and all that.
4347
4348952
434900:47:56,916 --> 00:47:58,710
4350And many people didn't believe it,
4351
4352953
435300:47:58,918 --> 00:48:01,212
4354but he went forward,
4355built a new winery,
4356
4357954
435800:48:01,421 --> 00:48:03,923
4359the first new winery
4360since Prohibition.
4361
4362955
436300:48:10,930 --> 00:48:13,391
4364So this particular bottle
4365is the first vintage
4366
4367956
436800:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,226
4369created by
4370the Robert Mondavi Winery,
4371
4372957
437300:48:15,435 --> 00:48:17,145
4374which opened in 1966.
4375
4376958
437700:48:19,022 --> 00:48:20,481
4378At one point he was small.
4379
4380959
438100:48:20,690 --> 00:48:23,484
4382He was boutique. He was family owned.
4383He was cool.
4384
4385960
438600:48:23,693 --> 00:48:25,528
4387And I still think he is
4388
4389961
439000:48:25,737 --> 00:48:27,280
4391because that part is, like, history.
4392
4393962
439400:48:27,488 --> 00:48:29,032
4395You know? And that--
4396
4397963
439800:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,451
4399So even if you buy big wines,
4400like, what's the story?
4401
4402964
440300:48:31,659 --> 00:48:32,619
4404Why do you buy them?
4405
4406965
440700:48:32,827 --> 00:48:34,287
4408Why do they become successful?
4409
4410966
441100:48:34,495 --> 00:48:35,914
4412There was some guts there.
4413
4414967
441500:48:38,458 --> 00:48:41,336
4416[White]
4417This was the model that Mondavi set--
4418
4419968
442000:48:41,544 --> 00:48:43,671
4421even with this first vintage
4422is what's still in use today.
4423
4424969
442500:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,925
4426You could almost feel, like,
4427anxiety probably in the bottle,
4428
4429970
443000:48:47,133 --> 00:48:48,593
4431but also, like, hope.
4432
4433971
443400:48:48,801 --> 00:48:50,303
4435I think it's amazing.
4436
4437972
443800:48:53,264 --> 00:48:54,766
4439Wow, this is--
4440
4441973
444200:48:54,974 --> 00:48:56,768
4443this is actually
4444an incredible bottle.
4445
4446974
444700:48:56,976 --> 00:48:59,020
4448It's very, very,
4449very aromatic,
4450
4451975
445200:48:59,228 --> 00:49:00,855
4453very perfumed.
4454
4455976
445600:49:01,064 --> 00:49:02,857
4457The fruits
4458are red and high toned,
4459
4460977
446100:49:03,066 --> 00:49:04,484
4462like red apple skin
4463
4464978
446500:49:04,692 --> 00:49:07,111
4466or like a dried cherry.
4467
4468979
446900:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,738
4470And then there's this beautiful
4471
4472980
447300:49:08,947 --> 00:49:10,573
4474sort of cigar ash
4475
4476981
447700:49:10,782 --> 00:49:11,783
4478but it's very, very vibrant
4479
4480982
448100:49:11,991 --> 00:49:13,326
4482and very, very alive.
4483
4484983
448500:49:13,534 --> 00:49:15,578
4486For me, I think ageability
4487
4488984
448900:49:15,787 --> 00:49:18,247
4490is a necessary tenet
4491to greatness in wine.
4492
4493985
449400:49:18,456 --> 00:49:21,834
4495And this is undeniably
4496one of the great wines.
4497
4498986
449900:49:22,043 --> 00:49:23,169
4500[Dame]
4501In your first wine,
4502
4503987
450400:49:23,378 --> 00:49:24,712
4505you produce a wine
4506of that quality
4507
4508988
450900:49:24,921 --> 00:49:27,882
4510I mean, there's more than luck
4511in that one.
4512
4513989
451400:49:28,091 --> 00:49:30,093
4515I wanted to produce wine
4516
4517990
451800:49:30,301 --> 00:49:32,929
4519to compete with
4520the finest wines of the world.
4521
4522991
452300:49:33,137 --> 00:49:34,639
4524Here's the Europeans.
4525Think about it from their perspective.
4526
4527992
452800:49:34,847 --> 00:49:36,766
4529You've been doing it
4530this way from the beginning,
4531
4532993
453300:49:36,975 --> 00:49:38,893
4534the times the Romans planned
4535the damn places, right?
4536
4537994
453800:49:39,102 --> 00:49:42,313
4539And all of a sudden
4540along comes Robert Mondavi.
4541
4542995
454300:49:45,858 --> 00:49:47,151
4544I went throughout the world
4545
4546996
454700:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,029
4548to find out what
4549my competition was.
4550
4551997
455200:49:50,238 --> 00:49:51,864
4553That's something which,
4554you know, I think
4555
4556998
455700:49:52,073 --> 00:49:53,241
4558we've all learned
4559from Robert Mondavi.
4560
4561999
456200:49:53,449 --> 00:49:55,326
4563He used to always go
4564around the world
4565
45661000
456700:49:55,535 --> 00:49:56,786
4568and taste other wines
4569
45701001
457100:49:56,995 --> 00:49:58,746
4572and always have a bottle
4573of Mondavi with him,
4574
45751002
457600:49:58,955 --> 00:50:01,582
4577and he used to, like,
4578always compare his wines
4579
45801003
458100:50:01,791 --> 00:50:03,126
4582to other great wines.
4583
45841004
458500:50:03,334 --> 00:50:06,379
4586Just an incredible voice
4587for Napa Valley.
4588
45891005
459000:50:06,587 --> 00:50:09,257
4591I think he understood
4592that if you made a name for Napa Valley,
4593
45941006
459500:50:09,465 --> 00:50:12,135
4596and how great this place is
4597in the world, everyone rises.
4598
45991007
460000:50:12,343 --> 00:50:14,429
4601So it wasn't about
4602any particular winery.
4603
46041008
460500:50:14,637 --> 00:50:17,015
4606He wanted to actually speak
4607how beautiful this place was.
4608
46091009
461000:50:17,223 --> 00:50:18,599
4611In this fine wine business,
4612
46131010
461400:50:18,808 --> 00:50:21,227
4615it's not going to take
4616five years, not ten.
4617
46181011
461900:50:21,436 --> 00:50:22,729
4620It's going to take a lifetime.
4621
46221012
462300:50:22,937 --> 00:50:25,690
4624You have to be willing
4625to take a gamble.
4626
46271013
462800:50:25,898 --> 00:50:28,985
4629You have to put
4630your whole heart and soul
4631
46321014
463300:50:29,193 --> 00:50:31,029
4634into what you are doing.
4635
46361015
463700:50:31,237 --> 00:50:32,822
4638But that's all.
4639It's very simple.
4640
46411016
464200:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,958
4643To figure out what a wine
4644should cost in the marketplace
4645
46461017
464700:50:44,167 --> 00:50:45,793
4648is probably the hardest thing.
4649
46501018
465100:50:46,002 --> 00:50:47,336
4652There really isn't one thing
4653
46541019
465500:50:47,545 --> 00:50:50,840
4656that solely determines
4657the cost of the wine.
4658
46591020
466000:50:51,049 --> 00:50:54,177
4661I run the other way when it comes
4662to determining those sorts of things.
4663
46641021
466500:50:54,385 --> 00:50:56,929
4666Um, the gut.
4667
46681022
466900:50:57,138 --> 00:50:59,807
4670There is some reason
4671why wines are expensive.
4672
46731023
467400:51:00,016 --> 00:51:01,559
4675There's some reason
4676why wines are cheap.
4677
46781024
467900:51:01,768 --> 00:51:03,352
4680Wine that's inexpensive?
4681
46821025
468300:51:03,561 --> 00:51:05,188
4684It is inexpensive
4685
46861026
468700:51:05,396 --> 00:51:07,440
4688in a large part
4689because the costs
4690
46911027
469200:51:07,648 --> 00:51:09,734
4693of producing it
4694were much lower.
4695
46961028
469700:51:09,942 --> 00:51:13,905
4698It's because the grapes
4699cost less to purchase.
4700
47011029
470200:51:14,113 --> 00:51:16,115
4703A lot of things
4704are mechanized
4705
47061030
470700:51:16,324 --> 00:51:18,284
4708both in the vineyard
4709and in the winery.
4710
47111031
471200:51:18,493 --> 00:51:21,746
4713[McClintic] You know, you have to
4714mechanize everything at that point.
4715
47161032
471700:51:21,954 --> 00:51:23,748
4718You have to
4719or you're not going to have
4720
47211033
472200:51:23,956 --> 00:51:26,584
4723a viable economic
4724business model.
4725
47261034
472700:51:26,793 --> 00:51:28,211
4728[Meredith]
4729And so it ends up being
4730
47311035
473200:51:28,419 --> 00:51:30,213
4733a very uniform,
4734predictable product,
4735
47361036
473700:51:30,421 --> 00:51:31,631
4738and that's what it is.
4739
47401037
474100:51:31,839 --> 00:51:33,174
4742It's a product.
4743
47441038
474500:51:33,382 --> 00:51:34,967
4746It's a commodity product
4747where you can buy it
4748
47491039
475000:51:35,176 --> 00:51:38,054
4751for two, three, four dollars
4752a bottle.
4753
47541040
475500:51:38,262 --> 00:51:40,598
4756With wines
4757that are 20 to 50 dollars,
4758
47591041
476000:51:40,807 --> 00:51:43,101
4761presumably many of them
4762are handcrafted,
4763
47641042
476500:51:43,309 --> 00:51:44,685
4766and there's a lot of work,
4767
47681043
476900:51:44,894 --> 00:51:49,440
4770and a lot of effort
4771went into it.
4772
47731044
477400:51:49,649 --> 00:51:51,192
4775I think there's
4776this inherent guilt factor
4777
47781045
477900:51:51,400 --> 00:51:52,652
4780with a lot of people
4781
47821046
478300:51:52,860 --> 00:51:54,821
4784to spend over $20 a bottle
4785on a wine.
4786
47871047
478800:51:55,029 --> 00:51:56,739
4789I know my parents have it.
4790
47911048
479200:51:56,948 --> 00:51:58,491
4793My parents are the best,
4794
47951049
479600:51:58,699 --> 00:52:00,535
4797but there's a lot of people,
4798a lot of family,
4799
48001050
480100:52:00,743 --> 00:52:01,786
4802a lot of friends I know,
4803
48041051
480500:52:01,994 --> 00:52:02,954
4806they have this guilt factor
4807
48081052
480900:52:03,162 --> 00:52:04,330
4810associated with
4811a bottle of wine
4812
48131053
481400:52:04,539 --> 00:52:05,998
4815that's over $20,
4816let's say.
4817
48181054
481900:52:06,207 --> 00:52:08,960
4820More often than not,
4821those wines are handcrafted,
4822
48231055
482400:52:09,168 --> 00:52:10,795
4825painstakingly handcrafted,
4826
48271056
482800:52:11,003 --> 00:52:13,548
4829and there's a lot of hands
4830that touch that wine,
4831
48321057
483300:52:13,756 --> 00:52:16,759
4834and so get the guilt
4835out of your system
4836
48371058
483800:52:16,968 --> 00:52:19,679
4839because there are a lot
4840of people who have a job
4841
48421059
484300:52:19,887 --> 00:52:21,097
4844because of you.
4845
48461060
484700:52:21,305 --> 00:52:22,890
4848Well, the profession's
4849the reason.
4850
48511061
485200:52:23,099 --> 00:52:24,934
4853First you've got the guy
4854who's got to prepare the soil,
4855
48561062
485700:52:25,143 --> 00:52:28,563
4858the guy who's got to study
4859the soil.
4860
48611063
486200:52:28,771 --> 00:52:31,482
4863The guy who's gotta say,
4864"Your soil's good for Cabernet,"
4865
48661064
486700:52:31,691 --> 00:52:33,693
4868the people
4869that farm it every day.
4870
48711065
487200:52:35,361 --> 00:52:37,029
4873Then you go to the harvesters,
4874
48751066
487600:52:37,238 --> 00:52:38,698
4877the people that pick
4878the grapes.
4879
48801067
488100:52:38,906 --> 00:52:40,950
4882Then it comes into the winery.
4883
48841068
488500:52:41,159 --> 00:52:42,827
4886You have to have somebody
4887who's there at the sorting table
4888
48891069
489000:52:43,035 --> 00:52:44,453
4891to make sure that nothing--
4892
48931070
489400:52:44,662 --> 00:52:47,373
4895what they call M.O.G.,
4896material other than grapes,
4897
48981071
489900:52:47,582 --> 00:52:48,833
4900is getting into the wine.
4901
49021072
490300:52:49,041 --> 00:52:50,251
4904You have the--
4905the guardians
4906
49071073
490800:52:50,459 --> 00:52:52,712
4909who usher the grapes
4910and the juice
4911
49121074
491300:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,673
4914into the winemaking process.
4915
49161075
491700:52:55,882 --> 00:52:57,508
4918The guy who made the barrel.
4919
49201076
492100:52:57,717 --> 00:52:59,260
4922If you go into a cooperage,
4923
49241077
492500:52:59,468 --> 00:53:00,803
4926there are about
492715 different roles
4928
49291078
493000:53:01,012 --> 00:53:02,263
4931just in the cooperage alone--
4932
49331079
493400:53:02,471 --> 00:53:03,931
4935the guy who's in charge
4936of making sure
4937
49381080
493900:53:04,140 --> 00:53:06,017
4940that the wood
4941is seasoned properly.
4942
49431081
494400:53:06,225 --> 00:53:08,019
4945Then the guy who's
4946in charge of making sure
4947
49481082
494900:53:08,227 --> 00:53:09,687
4950that the barrels are sanded,
4951
49521083
495300:53:09,896 --> 00:53:11,689
4954then the guy who is there
4955to make sure
4956
49571084
495800:53:11,898 --> 00:53:13,983
4959that the drums are all there
4960in the barrel is sound and tight
4961
49621085
496300:53:14,192 --> 00:53:15,818
4964right down to the guy
4965who runs the hose in it
4966
49671086
496800:53:16,027 --> 00:53:18,070
4969to make sure it's tested well.
4970
49711087
497200:53:18,279 --> 00:53:19,572
4973If it gets to the winery, okay.
4974
49751088
497600:53:19,780 --> 00:53:21,032
4977Now you have to maintain
4978those barrels,
4979
49801089
498100:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,659
4982and that takes
4983a whole team of people.
4984
49851090
498600:53:23,868 --> 00:53:25,620
4987And then who has to know
4988when it's time
4989
49901091
499100:53:25,828 --> 00:53:27,246
4992for the wine to come
4993out of the barrel,
4994
49951092
499600:53:27,455 --> 00:53:28,831
4997when it's time to go into the bottle.
4998
49991093
500000:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,625
5001Who's designed the label?
5002Who's designed the bottle?
5003
50041094
500500:53:30,833 --> 00:53:32,460
5006Who's going to make sure
5007that the corks are sound
5008
50091095
501000:53:32,668 --> 00:53:35,254
5011and safe and gonna be secure?
5012
50131096
501400:53:35,463 --> 00:53:38,257
5015What about the capsules?
5016Who's going to put it in the boxes?
5017
50181097
501900:53:38,466 --> 00:53:40,843
5020Who's going to be involved
5021in driving it to the port?
5022
50231098
502400:53:41,052 --> 00:53:43,846
5025Taking that ship
5026across the ocean?
5027
50281099
502900:53:44,055 --> 00:53:46,807
5030And who's going to be involved
5031in getting the container to the warehouse?
5032
50331100
503400:53:47,016 --> 00:53:51,729
5035And you've got
5036three tiers of sales element involved.
5037
50381101
503900:53:51,938 --> 00:53:53,231
5040What about the guy--
5041
50421102
504300:53:53,439 --> 00:53:55,733
5044the sommelier who's got
5045to take inventory?
5046
50471103
504800:53:57,777 --> 00:53:59,946
5049So up until the time
5050the cork is pulled,
5051
50521104
505300:54:00,154 --> 00:54:01,739
5054you've got, I would say,
5055
50561105
505700:54:01,948 --> 00:54:03,991
5058hundreds of hands
5059that have been involved
5060
50611106
506200:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,243
5063in this process.
5064
50651107
506600:54:29,517 --> 00:54:32,103
5067[Puckette]
5068The cost of labor? Some things cost money.
5069
50701108
507100:54:32,311 --> 00:54:34,313
5072But then there's
5073this other thing
5074
50751109
507600:54:34,522 --> 00:54:36,774
5077that I'm putting
5078my heart and soul
5079
50801110
508100:54:36,983 --> 00:54:38,442
5082into this thing.
5083
50841111
508500:54:38,651 --> 00:54:41,028
5086I'm making an art,
5087a form of art.
5088
50891112
509000:54:41,237 --> 00:54:43,698
5091How much is that worth?
5092How much is art worth?
5093
50941113
509500:54:43,906 --> 00:54:45,783
5096A lot of wine
5097is a luxury product,
5098
50991114
510000:54:45,992 --> 00:54:48,494
5101so when you get to
5102that real top of the pyramid,
5103
51041115
510500:54:48,703 --> 00:54:50,079
5106you're paying
5107for how many other people
5108
51091116
511000:54:50,288 --> 00:54:51,956
5111want to spend
5112that huge amount of money
5113
51141117
511500:54:52,164 --> 00:54:53,624
5116for that wine?
5117
51181118
511900:54:53,833 --> 00:54:55,626
5120I'll give you an example.
5121DRC made wine--
5122
51231119
512400:54:55,835 --> 00:54:57,211
5125has made wine
5126for many, many years.
5127
51281120
512900:55:06,470 --> 00:55:08,389
5130They've always used new oak.
5131
51321121
513300:55:08,597 --> 00:55:10,850
5134They've had the same vineyards,
5135
51361122
513700:55:11,058 --> 00:55:12,226
5138but the price of the wine
5139
51401123
514100:55:12,435 --> 00:55:14,186
5142is always higher.
5143
51441124
514500:55:14,395 --> 00:55:16,772
5146Every year they increase--
5147almost every year--
5148
51491125
515000:55:16,981 --> 00:55:18,399
5151and people buy it.
5152
51531126
515400:55:18,607 --> 00:55:20,693
5155That's-- the wine is amazing.
5156Wine is great.
5157
51581127
515900:55:20,901 --> 00:55:23,195
5160Every year they produce
5161at a very, very high level.
5162
51631128
516400:55:23,404 --> 00:55:26,115
5165So that doesn't mean that,
5166you know,
5167
51681129
516900:55:26,324 --> 00:55:28,159
5170perhaps the cost of good
5171is going up.
5172
51731130
517400:55:28,367 --> 00:55:30,244
5175It's just demand and supply.
5176
51771131
517800:55:30,453 --> 00:55:33,164
5179This is considered,
5180pound for pound,
5181
51821132
518300:55:33,372 --> 00:55:35,124
5184the most expensive wine
5185in the world.
5186
51871133
518800:55:35,333 --> 00:55:38,461
5189It's not uncommon
5190for a bottle of DRC,
5191
51921134
519300:55:38,669 --> 00:55:39,920
5194depending on
5195which vineyard it is,
5196
51971135
519800:55:40,129 --> 00:55:41,130
5199depending on the vintage,
5200
52011136
520200:55:41,339 --> 00:55:43,591
5203to open up, current release,
5204
52051137
520600:55:43,799 --> 00:55:45,384
5207five to ten thousand dollars
5208a bottle.
5209
52101138
521100:55:45,593 --> 00:55:47,553
5212It's just crazy stuff.
5213
52141139
521500:55:47,762 --> 00:55:49,805
5216I think if you look
5217at each individual grape,
5218
52191140
522000:55:50,014 --> 00:55:52,683
5221depending on where you are,
5222it could be up to $5 a grape
5223
52241141
522500:55:52,892 --> 00:55:55,102
5226if you break it down to the grape.
5227It's crazy.
5228
52291142
523000:56:10,576 --> 00:56:13,579
5231Aubert de Villaine, since 1974,
5232
52331143
523400:56:13,788 --> 00:56:14,580
5235has been the proprietor
5236
52371144
523800:56:14,789 --> 00:56:16,999
5239of Domaine de la Romanée-Conti.
5240
52411145
524200:56:17,208 --> 00:56:19,543
5243Um, he's the legend, man.
5244
52451146
524600:56:25,883 --> 00:56:29,387
5247If you get a winery visit
5248at DRC,
5249
52501147
525100:56:29,595 --> 00:56:31,055
5252it's like the Holy Grail.
5253
52541148
525500:56:31,263 --> 00:56:33,641
5256So to spend time
5257in a cellar with that man
5258
52591149
526000:56:33,849 --> 00:56:36,310
5261is like, for any sommelier
5262or wine person
5263
52641150
526500:56:36,519 --> 00:56:38,771
5266anywhere in the world that's--
5267that's kind of the pinnacle.
5268
52691151
527000:56:38,979 --> 00:56:40,356
5271Something in the cosmos
5272
52731152
527400:56:40,564 --> 00:56:42,983
5275has to align or you really
5276gotta know somebody
5277
52781153
527900:56:43,192 --> 00:56:44,693
5280to get a winery
5281appointment there.
5282
52831154
528400:56:44,902 --> 00:56:46,445
5285They don't do
5286winery appointments.
5287
52881155
528900:56:49,198 --> 00:56:50,366
5290I've never been there.
5291
52921156
529300:56:50,574 --> 00:56:52,576
5294Most of my friends
5295have not been there.
5296
52971157
529800:56:52,785 --> 00:56:54,662
5299And they're some
5300of the foremost experts
5301
53021158
530300:56:54,870 --> 00:56:56,414
5304on Burgundy in the country.
5305
53061159
530700:57:00,209 --> 00:57:01,460
5308Voilà. Oui.
5309
53101160
531100:57:01,669 --> 00:57:04,755
5312We shall taste--
5313We shall open the bottle here
5314
53151161
531600:57:04,964 --> 00:57:06,382
5317if you don't mind.
5318
53191162
532000:57:12,555 --> 00:57:16,517
5321[McClintic]
5322I think the mark of a legendary winery
5323
53241163
532500:57:16,725 --> 00:57:18,227
5326is it doesn't matter
5327what vintage it is,
5328
53291164
533000:57:18,436 --> 00:57:19,603
5331it's going to be great,
5332
53331165
533400:57:19,812 --> 00:57:21,730
5335and certainly you can say
5336that about DRC.
5337
53381166
533900:57:21,939 --> 00:57:24,942
5340In off vintages,
5341bad vintages,
5342
53431167
534400:57:25,151 --> 00:57:27,987
5345these wines trade
5346for thousands of dollars.
5347
53481168
534900:57:28,195 --> 00:57:29,947
5350It's the real deal.
5351
53521169
535300:57:30,156 --> 00:57:32,324
5354You're not going to find
5355a better expression of Pinot Noir
5356
53571170
535800:57:32,533 --> 00:57:33,534
5359in the world.
5360
53611171
536200:57:33,742 --> 00:57:35,411
5363This is a--
5364
53651172
536600:57:35,619 --> 00:57:39,957
5367It's a bottle of
5368Echezeaux, 2004.
5369
53701173
537100:57:41,876 --> 00:57:44,545
5372And '04 is one
5373of the vintages
5374
53751174
537600:57:44,753 --> 00:57:47,506
5377where things were difficult
5378during the season,
5379
53801175
538100:57:47,715 --> 00:57:50,551
5382but we had a very good,
5383beautiful end of season
5384
53851176
538600:57:50,759 --> 00:57:56,265
5387with north wind, sun,
5388clear skies.
5389
53901177
539100:57:56,474 --> 00:57:59,351
5392It's a vintage
5393I personally like very much.
5394
53951178
539600:58:05,399 --> 00:58:06,692
5397[swishing wine]
5398
53991179
540000:58:09,737 --> 00:58:13,824
5401You have this special texture,
5402
54031180
540400:58:14,033 --> 00:58:17,203
5405this special way
5406to touch your palate
5407
54081181
540900:58:17,411 --> 00:58:20,623
5410that a wine
5411of a difficult year
5412
54131182
541400:58:20,831 --> 00:58:25,294
5415has a texture
5416that is a little more sharp,
5417
54181183
541900:58:25,503 --> 00:58:28,005
5420a little more acid.
5421
54221184
542300:58:28,214 --> 00:58:31,800
5424This bouquet of a forest,
5425
54261185
542700:58:32,009 --> 00:58:34,845
5428you know,
5429for a unique forest.
5430
54311186
543200:58:35,054 --> 00:58:37,389
5433None of yet the rose petal,
5434
54351187
543600:58:37,598 --> 00:58:42,144
5437but I know it will come
5438in what, 10, 20 years,
5439
54401188
544100:58:42,353 --> 00:58:45,856
5442and it will make
5443a delicious wine.
5444
54451189
544600:58:48,275 --> 00:58:49,818
5447Uh, you know what?
5448
54491190
545000:58:50,027 --> 00:58:53,489
5451I think what many people
5452don't understand,
5453
54541191
545500:58:53,697 --> 00:58:59,578
5456it's that wine
5457is made to drink
5458
54591192
546000:58:59,787 --> 00:59:04,208
5461and to-- if you are thirsty,
5462to quench your thirst.
5463
54641193
546500:59:04,416 --> 00:59:08,254
5466Many people think of wine
5467only as an object of culture.
5468
54691194
547000:59:08,462 --> 00:59:10,714
5471And it is
5472an object of culture,
5473
54741195
547500:59:10,923 --> 00:59:12,758
5476but it is-- it is also food.
5477
54781196
547900:59:12,967 --> 00:59:15,135
5480It's food.
5481It's an element.
5482
54831197
548400:59:15,344 --> 00:59:19,265
5485And it's important to take it
5486that way too.
5487
54881198
548900:59:45,583 --> 00:59:47,001
5490We always like to kid around
5491and say
5492
54931199
549400:59:47,209 --> 00:59:49,753
5495that wood
5496is the spouse of wine.
5497
54981200
549900:59:49,962 --> 00:59:54,508
5500And so if you--
5501just as in real-life marriage,
5502
55031201
550400:59:54,717 --> 00:59:56,510
5505you should choose your wife
5506very, very carefully
5507
55081202
550900:59:56,719 --> 00:59:58,929
5510'cause otherwise you're only
5511going to pay for it in the end
5512
55131203
551400:59:59,138 --> 01:00:00,347
5515in terms of quality of life.
5516
55171204
551801:00:00,556 --> 01:00:02,600
5519And in this case
5520it's quality of wine.
5521
55221205
552301:00:05,311 --> 01:00:09,231
5524Oak is a vessel.
5525You can either ferment wine in the vessel,
5526
55271206
552801:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,109
5529and/or you can age it
5530in the vessel.
5531
55321207
553301:00:12,318 --> 01:00:16,530
5534It has been the basis
5535for a vessel to transport wine
5536
55371208
553801:00:16,739 --> 01:00:20,701
5539for God knows, like,
5540I think the Etruscans started using the barrel,
5541
55421209
554301:00:20,909 --> 01:00:23,370
5544so we can say
5545thousands of years we've used oak.
5546
55471210
554801:00:23,579 --> 01:00:25,998
5549It's only in the last 25 years
5550we've begun to say,
5551
55521211
555301:00:26,206 --> 01:00:27,416
5554"I don't want oaky wine.
5555
55561212
555701:00:27,625 --> 01:00:28,667
5558[McClintic]
5559There's neutral oak,
5560
55611213
556201:00:28,876 --> 01:00:30,252
5563which imparts no flavor,
5564
55651214
556601:00:30,461 --> 01:00:31,712
5567and then there's new oak,
5568
55691215
557001:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,464
5571which does impart flavor.
5572
55731216
557401:00:33,672 --> 01:00:34,798
5575You start with the wine.
5576
55771217
557801:00:35,007 --> 01:00:36,884
5579You make it,
5580you ferment it.
5581
55821218
558301:00:37,092 --> 01:00:39,136
5584and then you put it
5585into oak barrels.
5586
55871219
558801:00:39,345 --> 01:00:40,638
5589All these additional flavors
5590
55911220
559201:00:40,846 --> 01:00:43,557
5593are added to the wines.
5594
55951221
559601:00:43,766 --> 01:00:46,060
5597[McClintic]
5598French oak, you're typically going to get vanilla,
5599
56001222
560101:00:46,268 --> 01:00:47,645
5602cloves, cinnamon,
5603baking spices,
5604
56051223
560601:00:47,853 --> 01:00:49,188
5607that add to the wine.
5608
56091224
561001:00:49,396 --> 01:00:50,356
5611With American oak
5612
56131225
561401:00:50,564 --> 01:00:51,815
5615you get dill, coconut,
5616
56171226
561801:00:52,024 --> 01:00:53,525
5619even a higher extract
5620of vanilla.
5621
56221227
562301:00:53,734 --> 01:00:56,570
5624I'm not that interested in wine
5625that tastes of vanilla.
5626
56271228
562801:00:56,779 --> 01:00:59,239
5629Vanilla is not a natural taste
5630of a grape.
5631
56321229
563301:00:59,448 --> 01:01:00,616
5634It's something added.
5635
56361230
563701:01:00,824 --> 01:01:03,494
5638So, let's say,
5639instead of making wine,
5640
56411231
564201:01:03,702 --> 01:01:05,162
5643let's make a drink,
5644a cocktail,
5645
56461232
564701:01:05,371 --> 01:01:07,790
5648something like that.
5649
56501233
565101:01:07,998 --> 01:01:09,458
5652If you can taste the oak,
5653
56541234
565501:01:09,667 --> 01:01:12,169
5656you've kind of, you know,
5657
56581235
565901:01:12,378 --> 01:01:13,629
5660missed the fruit.
5661
56621236
566301:01:13,837 --> 01:01:15,214
5664You can think of oak like salt.
5665
56661237
566701:01:15,422 --> 01:01:17,549
5668You've had a dish
5669that's too salty,
5670
56711238
567201:01:17,758 --> 01:01:19,468
5673that's all you taste,
5674is salt,
5675
56761239
567701:01:19,677 --> 01:01:23,055
5678and so the question becomes,
5679how much oak is too much oak?
5680
56811240
568201:01:23,263 --> 01:01:26,350
5683Fifteen years ago customers
5684liked one with more body,
5685
56861241
568701:01:26,558 --> 01:01:29,853
5688more rich, more oaky,
5689more extreme.
5690
56911242
569201:01:30,062 --> 01:01:32,147
5693Now, even if you use oak,
5694
56951243
569601:01:32,356 --> 01:01:33,774
5697you say,
5698"Oh, no, I don't use oak."
5699
57001244
570101:01:33,982 --> 01:01:35,192
5702Now there's certain situations
5703
57041245
570501:01:35,401 --> 01:01:37,569
5706where oak is called for
5707like salt is called for.
5708
57091246
571001:01:37,778 --> 01:01:39,196
5711Right?
5712
57131247
571401:01:39,405 --> 01:01:41,782
5715Certain Cabernets without oak
5716would be so austere
5717
57181248
571901:01:41,990 --> 01:01:45,494
5720and intensely harsh
5721on your palate and grippy
5722
57231249
572401:01:45,703 --> 01:01:47,538
5725that you need oak
5726to buffer that.
5727
57281250
572901:01:47,746 --> 01:01:50,249
5730And someone's opinion of what's
5731too much and what's too little
5732
57331251
573401:01:50,457 --> 01:01:52,918
5735depends on how much
5736they like oak. You know?
5737
57381252
573901:01:53,127 --> 01:01:57,756
5740What's true is you can cover up
5741a lot of mistakes in the vineyard
5742
57431253
574401:01:57,965 --> 01:02:00,509
5745and cover a lot of mistakes
5746in the cellar with oak,
5747
57481254
574901:02:00,718 --> 01:02:03,929
5750and so a lot of people abuse it
5751in that way and say, "You know what?
5752
57531255
575401:02:04,138 --> 01:02:06,390
5755We screwed up a little bit,"
5756or "These grapes are shit,
5757
57581256
575901:02:06,598 --> 01:02:08,892
5760"so why don't we just slap
5761a big vanilla bomb on it
5762
57631257
576401:02:09,101 --> 01:02:10,144
5765and call it a day?"
5766
57671258
576801:02:10,352 --> 01:02:12,312
5769Wine is made here,
5770in the vineyard,
5771
57721259
577301:02:12,521 --> 01:02:13,814
5774not in the cellar.
5775
57761260
577701:02:14,022 --> 01:02:16,358
5778In the cellar you have to work
5779for preserving
5780
57811261
578201:02:16,567 --> 01:02:18,527
5783what the nature gave you
5784in the vineyard.
5785
57861262
578701:02:18,736 --> 01:02:19,987
5788And the wood is good way
5789
57901263
579101:02:20,195 --> 01:02:23,031
5792to maintain a wine
5793in good conditions
5794
57951264
579601:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,451
5797during the aging process.
5798
57991265
580001:02:25,659 --> 01:02:29,371
5801If you look
5802at the great oak debate,
5803
58041266
580501:02:29,580 --> 01:02:32,583
5806I mean, it's politics.
5807It's Republicans as Democrats.
5808
58091267
581001:02:32,791 --> 01:02:34,543
5811They are party lines drawn
5812
58131268
581401:02:34,752 --> 01:02:36,587
5815with oak and non-oak,
5816
58171269
581801:02:36,795 --> 01:02:38,797
5819and it's always gonna
5820be like that.
5821
58221270
582301:02:39,006 --> 01:02:40,591
5824If you're going to look
5825anywhere in the world,
5826
58271271
582801:02:40,799 --> 01:02:42,801
5829and you want a place
5830to see an example of this,
5831
58321272
583301:02:43,010 --> 01:02:44,261
5834just look at Barolo.
5835
58361273
583701:02:50,350 --> 01:02:52,227
5838[Cauble]
5839So what we have here is a 1985 Barolo
5840
58411274
584201:02:52,436 --> 01:02:53,687
5843from Elio Altare.
5844
58451275
584601:02:53,896 --> 01:02:56,440
5847He is one of the most,
5848I would say,
5849
58501276
585101:02:56,648 --> 01:02:58,817
5852influential modern producers
5853of Barolo,
5854
58551277
585601:02:59,026 --> 01:03:00,527
5857and this is one
5858of the first vintages
5859
58601278
586101:03:00,736 --> 01:03:03,906
5862he actually made
5863with using new French oak.
5864
58651279
586601:03:04,114 --> 01:03:07,618
5867Barolo is a place
5868in Northern Italy,
5869
58701280
587101:03:07,826 --> 01:03:10,204
5872and the grape is Nebbiolo.
5873
58741281
587501:03:10,412 --> 01:03:12,122
5876It's interesting that Barolo
5877
58781282
587901:03:12,331 --> 01:03:14,458
5880was made for hundreds of years
5881the same way,
5882
58831283
588401:03:14,666 --> 01:03:16,960
5885and the aging would happen
5886in these big <i>botti,</i>
5887
58881284
588901:03:17,169 --> 01:03:18,879
5890these big barrels
5891
58921285
589301:03:19,087 --> 01:03:20,714
5894that the grand, grand
5895grandpas had built.
5896
58971286
589801:03:22,591 --> 01:03:24,134
5899The wines were very austere,
5900
59011287
590201:03:24,343 --> 01:03:26,804
5903very serious, very tannic,
5904very dry, high acidity.
5905
59061288
590701:03:27,012 --> 01:03:29,515
5908You would have to wait years
5909before you could approach them.
5910
59111289
591201:03:29,723 --> 01:03:31,141
5913This is a really rare bottle.
5914
59151290
591601:03:31,350 --> 01:03:33,560
5917I think there's less
5918than six or seven bottles
5919
59201291
592101:03:33,769 --> 01:03:37,523
5922at the estates,
5923pretty incredible story of what happened.
5924
59251292
592601:03:40,943 --> 01:03:42,319
5927Some crazy winemakers,
5928
59291293
593001:03:42,528 --> 01:03:46,323
5931and I include my dad Elio,
5932
59331294
593401:03:46,532 --> 01:03:49,409
5935he was one of the first
5936to start approaching the winemaking
5937
59381295
593901:03:49,618 --> 01:03:51,161
5940with different techniques.
5941
59421296
594301:03:51,370 --> 01:03:53,455
5944They started moving from,
5945you know,
5946
59471297
594801:03:53,664 --> 01:03:55,499
5949big <i>botti,</i> the big vats,
5950
59511298
595201:03:55,707 --> 01:03:57,709
5953to French oak.
5954
59551299
595601:03:57,918 --> 01:03:59,169
5957It changed tradition.
5958
59591300
596001:03:59,378 --> 01:04:02,798
5961It kind of caused
5962a very big problem.
5963
59641301
596501:04:03,006 --> 01:04:05,592
5966Wasn't necessarily a war with,
5967you know, with weapons,
5968
59691302
597001:04:05,801 --> 01:04:08,387
5971but it was a war
5972with words for sure.
5973
59741303
597501:04:10,973 --> 01:04:12,933
5976It smells incredibly elegant,
5977
59781304
597901:04:13,141 --> 01:04:16,353
5980really, really soft,
5981incredibly floral.
5982
59831305
598401:04:16,562 --> 01:04:19,439
5985It really has a lot
5986of Burgundian traits to it.
5987
59881306
598901:04:19,648 --> 01:04:21,567
5990A big crisis hit Barolo.
5991
59921307
599301:04:21,775 --> 01:04:23,694
5994We're talking about mid '70s,
5995late '70s.
5996
59971308
599801:04:23,902 --> 01:04:26,029
5999Most of the young people
6000would leave the countryside
6001
60021309
600301:04:26,238 --> 01:04:29,575
6004to work in the Fiat factories
6005that make cars in Torino
6006
60071310
600801:04:29,783 --> 01:04:30,993
6009because being a farmer
6010
60111311
601201:04:31,201 --> 01:04:33,370
6013was like really the last job
6014on earth.
6015
60161312
601701:04:33,579 --> 01:04:36,415
6018Just wine wasn't
6019a business back then.
6020
60211313
602201:04:36,623 --> 01:04:39,084
6023That's when my dad in '76
6024
60251314
602601:04:39,293 --> 01:04:42,212
6027took his car, went to Burgundy
6028for the first time
6029
60301315
603101:04:42,421 --> 01:04:44,298
6032and just starting, you know,
6033
60341316
603501:04:44,506 --> 01:04:46,258
6036our curiosity visiting wineries,
6037
60381317
603901:04:46,466 --> 01:04:48,135
6040and then he got in touch
6041with some winemakers
6042
60431318
604401:04:48,343 --> 01:04:51,138
6045who worked
6046in different wineries.
6047
60481319
604901:04:51,346 --> 01:04:53,932
6050Those guys were famous
6051making amazing wines.
6052
60531320
605401:04:54,141 --> 01:04:57,686
6055They were very expensive.
6056They were all rich and superstars.
6057
60581321
605901:04:57,895 --> 01:04:59,938
6060Here they were starving.
6061They were poor.
6062
60631322
606401:05:00,147 --> 01:05:02,232
6065So my dad came home
6066with all these crazy ideas,
6067
60681323
606901:05:02,441 --> 01:05:03,692
6070went to his dad and said,
6071
60721324
607301:05:03,901 --> 01:05:05,235
6074"Dad, why don't we try this?"
6075
60761325
607701:05:05,444 --> 01:05:08,906
6078And the answer was,
6079"No way, you can't try."
6080
60811326
608201:05:09,114 --> 01:05:12,993
6083[chuckles]
6084You can't not think about the relationship
6085
60861327
608701:05:13,201 --> 01:05:15,579
6088between Elio and his dad here.
6089
60901328
609101:05:15,787 --> 01:05:18,206
6092The move towards using
6093new French oak on this wine
6094
60951329
609601:05:18,415 --> 01:05:20,751
6097caused a massive fissure
6098between him and his father,
6099
61001330
610101:05:20,959 --> 01:05:25,255
6102which never really
6103repaired itself.
6104
61051331
610601:05:25,464 --> 01:05:26,965
6107[Silvia Altare]
6108My grandpa would've told you,
6109
61101332
611101:05:27,174 --> 01:05:29,968
6112"Oh, buy a bottle of Barolo
6113but drink it in 25 years."
6114
61151333
611601:05:30,177 --> 01:05:33,722
6117Thank you.
6118Maybe I want to drink it tomorrow.
6119
61201334
612101:05:33,931 --> 01:05:36,183
6122[Cauble]
6123When you put a wine like Barolo in new oak,
6124
61251335
612601:05:36,391 --> 01:05:37,643
6127it's going to soften
6128the tannins.
6129
61301336
613101:05:37,851 --> 01:05:39,519
6132It's going to make it
6133easier to drink
6134
61351337
613601:05:39,728 --> 01:05:41,271
6137and more approachable
6138when it's young.
6139
61401338
614101:05:44,650 --> 01:05:47,319
6142[Silvia Altare]
6143My dad started buying barrels,
6144
61451339
614601:05:47,527 --> 01:05:50,238
6147but to make space
6148in the cellar for barrels,
6149
61501340
615101:05:50,447 --> 01:05:52,407
6152he had to buy a chainsaw as well
6153
61541341
615501:05:52,616 --> 01:05:53,825
6156to cut the big <i>botti</i>
6157in pieces
6158
61591342
616001:05:54,034 --> 01:05:55,077
6161because there was no space,
6162
61631343
616401:05:55,285 --> 01:05:56,954
6165so he was cutting in pieces
6166
61671344
616801:05:57,162 --> 01:05:59,915
6169these <i>botti</i> that
6170one of his ancestors had built,
6171
61721345
617301:06:00,123 --> 01:06:02,250
6174you know, those <i>botti</i>
6175were a hundred years old.
6176
61771346
617801:06:07,214 --> 01:06:08,465
6179Grandpa would not accept that,
6180
61811347
618201:06:08,674 --> 01:06:11,510
6183so that was the big--
6184big break between them.
6185
61861348
618701:06:11,718 --> 01:06:13,512
6188You know, in the 1970s
6189and the 1980s
6190
61911349
619201:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,555
6193people hated each other over it.
6194
61951350
619601:06:15,764 --> 01:06:17,599
6197It was either you were
6198on the left or the right.
6199
62001351
620101:06:17,808 --> 01:06:20,102
6202It was, like,
6203you were using new oak?
6204
62051352
620601:06:20,310 --> 01:06:21,603
6207Your neighbors
6208wouldn't talk to you.
6209
62101353
621101:06:21,812 --> 01:06:24,439
6212I mean, it's--
6213it's a pretty big deal.
6214
62151354
621601:06:24,648 --> 01:06:27,734
6217Once he put new oak
6218on his wine,
6219
62201355
622101:06:27,943 --> 01:06:29,528
6222the wines sold,
6223
62241356
622501:06:29,736 --> 01:06:31,822
6226and they're more expensive.
6227
62281357
622901:06:33,699 --> 01:06:35,117
6230Wine's very soft,
6231
62321358
623301:06:35,325 --> 01:06:37,661
6234but it does have this
6235kind of orange peel, fennel,
6236
62371359
623801:06:37,869 --> 01:06:39,079
6239and kind of tar component,
6240
62411360
624201:06:39,287 --> 01:06:40,455
6243which is classic in Nebbiolo.
6244
62451361
624601:06:40,664 --> 01:06:41,873
6247The wine's delicious.
6248
62491362
625001:06:42,082 --> 01:06:43,166
6251[Silvia Altare]
6252Twenty-five years ago
6253
62541363
625501:06:43,375 --> 01:06:44,793
6256it was a huge fight.
6257
62581364
625901:06:45,002 --> 01:06:46,712
6260Today some of my best friends
6261
62621365
626301:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,089
6264are son or daughters
6265of traditionalists.
6266
62671366
626801:06:49,297 --> 01:06:52,551
6269I talk to them.
6270I don't have a problem with that.
6271
62721367
627301:06:52,759 --> 01:06:54,177
6274Well, my dad
6275wouldn't talk to them.
6276
62771368
627801:06:54,386 --> 01:06:56,221
6279Cancel that.
6280[laughs]
6281
62821369
628301:07:04,813 --> 01:07:05,939
6284[Dame]
6285Wine is constantly changing.
6286
62871370
628801:07:06,148 --> 01:07:06,982
6289It's living.
6290It's breathing.
6291
62921371
629301:07:07,190 --> 01:07:08,525
6294And as a result
6295
62961372
629701:07:08,734 --> 01:07:10,318
6298how can you have
6299an appreciation
6300
63011373
630201:07:10,527 --> 01:07:12,571
6303for a single great variety
6304
63051374
630601:07:12,779 --> 01:07:14,197
6307when it's made in
6308so many different styles
6309
63101375
631101:07:14,406 --> 01:07:15,699
6312and so many different places
6313
63141376
631501:07:15,907 --> 01:07:17,200
6316and so many different vintages
6317
63181377
631901:07:17,409 --> 01:07:18,785
6320and all the things
6321that go into
6322
63231378
632401:07:18,994 --> 01:07:19,870
6325whether you like Pinot Noir,
6326
63271379
632801:07:20,078 --> 01:07:21,329
6329Cabernet, or Chardonnay
6330
63311380
633201:07:21,538 --> 01:07:22,831
6333or Sauvignon Blanc.
6334
63351381
633601:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,332
6337That's a great question.
6338
63391382
634001:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,882
6341I think the hardest thing
6342
63431383
634401:07:32,090 --> 01:07:33,675
6345for me to stomach
6346about the whole game
6347
63481384
634901:07:33,884 --> 01:07:37,971
6350is the whole idea
6351of points.
6352
63531385
635401:07:38,180 --> 01:07:39,598
6355I'll meet people that,
6356
63571386
635801:07:39,806 --> 01:07:41,600
6359"Oh, you know, I only collect
6360wines above 90 points."
6361
63621387
636301:07:41,808 --> 01:07:45,562
6364"From who?
6365Uh, you know, which demigod do you follow?"
6366
63671388
636801:07:49,775 --> 01:07:51,151
6369Taste is so different.
6370
63711389
637201:07:51,359 --> 01:07:52,986
6373You can't all look
6374at the same piece of art
6375
63761390
637701:07:53,195 --> 01:07:54,780
6378and all want to put it
6379in your house.
6380
63811391
638201:07:54,988 --> 01:07:58,241
6383How we look at points--
6384this is a super polarizing topic.
6385
63861392
638701:07:58,450 --> 01:08:00,577
6388Essentially points are
6389to tell you what to think
6390
63911393
639201:08:00,786 --> 01:08:02,621
6393if you don't have
6394an opinion yourself.
6395
63961394
639701:08:02,829 --> 01:08:04,581
6398Well, the rating system
6399was first created
6400
64011395
640201:08:04,790 --> 01:08:05,916
6403to help consumers.
6404
64051396
640601:08:06,124 --> 01:08:07,417
6407It really was.
6408
64091397
641001:08:07,626 --> 01:08:08,710
6411Because before that
6412
64131398
641401:08:08,919 --> 01:08:10,212
6415the people who wrote
6416about wine
6417
64181399
641901:08:10,420 --> 01:08:12,839
6420were actually hired
6421by the wine marketers
6422
64231400
642401:08:13,048 --> 01:08:15,258
6425to write about wines.
6426
64271401
642801:08:15,467 --> 01:08:17,094
6429So suddenly you had these
6430independent people coming out
6431
64321402
643301:08:17,302 --> 01:08:19,096
6434with these mailing lists,
6435
64361403
643701:08:19,304 --> 01:08:22,641
6438and one of those guys
6439was Robert Parker in <i>Wine Advocate.</i>
6440
64411404
644201:08:22,849 --> 01:08:26,186
6443And he started putting points
6444on the system.
6445
64461405
644701:08:26,394 --> 01:08:27,896
6448Personally, I hate points.
6449
64501406
645101:08:28,105 --> 01:08:29,689
6452I revere and respect
6453Robert Parker.
6454
64551407
645601:08:29,898 --> 01:08:31,775
6457I revere and respect
6458the <i>Wine Spectator</i>
6459
64601408
646101:08:31,983 --> 01:08:33,318
6462because what they do
6463
64641409
646501:08:33,527 --> 01:08:34,820
6466is get more people
6467to drink wine.
6468
64691410
647001:08:35,028 --> 01:08:36,363
6471That's ultimately what I want.
6472
64731411
647401:08:38,824 --> 01:08:41,493
6475At the end of the day
6476it's a really lazy way to describe a wine.
6477
64781412
647901:08:41,701 --> 01:08:43,870
6480It attempts to put two numbers
6481next to something
6482
64831413
648401:08:44,079 --> 01:08:47,749
6485that has been produced
6486by so many passionate people.
6487
64881414
648901:08:47,958 --> 01:08:49,960
6490I don't even remember the last time
6491I thought about points.
6492
64931415
649401:08:50,168 --> 01:08:52,254
6495I mean, it's not relevant
6496to sommeliers
6497
64981416
649901:08:52,462 --> 01:08:53,672
6500to think about,
6501like, a hundred points.
6502
65031417
650401:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,507
6505I think that most of us
6506would be like, "Ew,
6507
65081418
650901:08:55,715 --> 01:08:57,509
6510if a sales rep
6511starts quoting points..."
6512
65131419
651401:08:57,717 --> 01:09:01,012
6515[Parr] I mean, if you buy a bottle
6516of current vintage Barolo,
6517
65181420
651901:09:01,221 --> 01:09:03,014
6520which got a 99 points,
6521
65221421
652301:09:03,223 --> 01:09:05,267
6524and you go home and open it,
6525
65261422
652701:09:05,475 --> 01:09:07,185
6528there will be no enjoyment from it.
6529
65301423
653101:09:07,394 --> 01:09:08,979
6532You know, it's--
6533yeah, it got a high score,
6534
65351424
653601:09:09,187 --> 01:09:10,230
6537and you open it.
6538
65391425
654001:09:10,438 --> 01:09:11,648
6541Yeah, if you waited 10 years,
6542
65431426
654401:09:11,857 --> 01:09:13,733
6545absolutely, it'll be better,
6546
65471427
654801:09:13,942 --> 01:09:17,028
6549but it doesn't say
6550"99 points, wait for 10 years."
6551
65521428
655301:09:17,237 --> 01:09:19,990
6554If I gave one of these critics
6555
65561429
655701:09:20,198 --> 01:09:21,616
655825 wines
6559
65601430
656101:09:21,825 --> 01:09:23,118
6562that they had given scores to,
6563
65641431
656501:09:23,326 --> 01:09:24,786
6566what do you think the odds are
6567
65681432
656901:09:24,995 --> 01:09:27,330
6570giving the same score
6571back to back?
6572
65731433
657401:09:27,539 --> 01:09:28,915
6575I don't know.
6576
65771434
657801:09:29,124 --> 01:09:30,458
6579Answer that yourself.
6580
65811435
658201:09:30,667 --> 01:09:33,170
6583Points in <i>Wine Spectator</i>
6584and Robert Parker
6585
65861436
658701:09:33,378 --> 01:09:35,338
6588were a huge part
6589of my beginning.
6590
65911437
659201:09:35,547 --> 01:09:37,382
6593I didn't know
6594the world of wine,
6595
65961438
659701:09:37,591 --> 01:09:38,967
6598and I didn't know
6599a lot of people,
6600
66011439
660201:09:39,176 --> 01:09:40,719
6603but I could read a publication,
6604
66051440
660601:09:40,927 --> 01:09:44,139
6607and what I got
6608out of <i>Spectator</i>
6609
66101441
661101:09:44,347 --> 01:09:45,765
6612and what I got out
6613of Robert Parker,
6614
66151442
661601:09:45,974 --> 01:09:49,728
6617these critics,
6618were "Here are wines,
6619
66201443
662101:09:49,936 --> 01:09:52,022
6622great wines of the world
6623that you should try."
6624
66251444
662601:09:52,230 --> 01:09:53,648
6627This wine got a hundred points.
6628
66291445
663001:09:53,857 --> 01:09:56,193
6631I'm like, "Okay, what's
6632this wine all about?"
6633
66341446
663501:09:56,401 --> 01:09:57,903
6636From a sales perspective,
6637
66381447
663901:09:58,111 --> 01:10:00,071
6640it offers confidence to people,
6641
66421448
664301:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,449
6644perhaps, to create
6645short lists of wines
6646
66471449
664801:10:02,657 --> 01:10:05,118
6649and that it benchmarks us
6650against other great wines
6651
66521450
665301:10:05,327 --> 01:10:06,286
6654of the world.
6655
66561451
665701:10:28,683 --> 01:10:30,936
6658[Cauble]
6659Max Schubert was the winemaker
6660
66611452
666201:10:31,144 --> 01:10:32,812
6663at Penfolds
6664starting late 1940s,
6665
66661453
666701:10:33,021 --> 01:10:34,981
6668and his creation of Grange
6669
66701454
667101:10:35,190 --> 01:10:37,859
6672totally changed the way
6673the world looks at Australia.
6674
66751455
667601:10:38,068 --> 01:10:39,319
6677What Max Schubert wanted to do
6678
66791456
668001:10:39,527 --> 01:10:44,950
6681was make a world-class
6682Bordeaux style wine
6683
66841457
668501:10:45,158 --> 01:10:47,786
6686in Australia,
6687and he went to Bordeaux.
6688
66891458
669001:10:47,994 --> 01:10:50,121
6691He studied the great domaines
6692of Bordeaux,
6693
66941459
669501:10:50,330 --> 01:10:52,832
6696and he figured out
6697exactly what they did,
6698
66991460
670001:10:53,041 --> 01:10:54,751
6701studied their template to a T.
6702
67031461
670401:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,713
6705Only problem was there wasn't
6706a lot of Cabernet in Australia,
6707
67081462
670901:10:58,922 --> 01:11:01,508
6710so he adjusted that template
6711with the Syrah grape.
6712
67131463
671401:11:01,716 --> 01:11:03,468
6715You have to think
6716about at the time
6717
67181464
671901:11:03,677 --> 01:11:07,597
6720the world was basically drinking
6721fortified wine down in Australia.
6722
67231465
672401:11:07,806 --> 01:11:09,057
6725That was the fashion
6726of the day.
6727
67281466
672901:11:09,266 --> 01:11:12,435
6730So to make not only
6731a dry table wine
6732
67331467
673401:11:12,644 --> 01:11:15,605
6735but to make a wine that
6736would stand the test of time
6737
67381468
673901:11:15,814 --> 01:11:17,774
674030, 40, 50 years later
6741
67421469
674301:11:17,983 --> 01:11:21,444
6744was revolutionary thinking
6745for his day.
6746
67471470
674801:11:21,653 --> 01:11:25,490
6749Think of the blend of Cabernet
6750with Syrah or with Shiraz.
6751
67521471
675301:11:25,699 --> 01:11:27,867
6754It's a quintessential
6755Australian blend,
6756
67571472
675801:11:28,076 --> 01:11:31,663
6759and Bin 60A out
6760of the Vintage 1962
6761
67621473
676301:11:31,871 --> 01:11:34,541
6764is deemed to be
6765the crème de la crème
6766
67671474
676801:11:34,749 --> 01:11:37,002
6769of that offer ever.
6770
67711475
677201:11:45,468 --> 01:11:49,014
6773[man]
6774Now, this one is incredibly venerated...
6775
67761476
677701:11:50,765 --> 01:11:52,267
6778the rarity of this wine.
6779
67801477
678101:11:52,475 --> 01:11:53,685
6782I mean, 5,000 bottles
6783of this wine
6784
67851478
678601:11:53,893 --> 01:11:55,270
6787were made in 1962,
6788
67891479
679001:11:55,478 --> 01:11:59,107
6791and I'd probably say
6792less than a dozen
6793
67941480
679501:11:59,316 --> 01:12:00,608
6796exist to this day.
6797
67981481
679901:12:00,817 --> 01:12:03,486
6800It has received
6801many global accolades.
6802
68031482
680401:12:03,695 --> 01:12:06,197
6805Harvey Steiman,
6806Editor of <i>Wine Spectator,</i>
6807
68081483
680901:12:06,406 --> 01:12:07,866
6810gave it a hundred points.
6811
68121484
681301:12:08,074 --> 01:12:11,286
6814Considered the greatest
6815Australian wine ever made.
6816
68171485
681801:12:11,494 --> 01:12:14,247
6819It's been given
6820perfect scores by many people.
6821
68221486
682301:12:14,456 --> 01:12:17,334
6824The Bin 60A came in
6825at number 7
6826
68271487
682801:12:17,542 --> 01:12:20,337
6829of the greatest wines
6830ever made on this planet.
6831
68321488
683301:12:20,545 --> 01:12:22,380
6834Most critics,
6835most wine people,
6836
68371489
683801:12:22,589 --> 01:12:25,175
6839would say that this
6840is your bucket list wine.
6841
68421490
684301:12:25,383 --> 01:12:27,427
6844You have to try this
6845before you die.
6846
68471491
684801:12:32,140 --> 01:12:34,726
6849This bottle hasn't moved
6850from the winery
6851
68521492
685301:12:34,934 --> 01:12:37,937
6854since it was bottled
6855in 1964.
6856
68571493
685801:12:39,814 --> 01:12:42,192
6859The cork
6860has thankfully done its job.
6861
68621494
686301:12:51,868 --> 01:12:53,411
6864Absolute heaven.
6865
68661495
686701:12:55,413 --> 01:12:57,207
6868Yeah, the wine's
6869in fantastic shape.
6870
68711496
687201:13:01,795 --> 01:13:05,048
6873Very, very sundried black plum
6874and blackberry
6875
68761497
687701:13:05,256 --> 01:13:07,884
6878and almost stewed lamb
6879kind of characteristic.
6880
68811498
688201:13:11,930 --> 01:13:16,434
6883[Gago] Now, I say of wines that get
6884perfect scores in their youth,
6885
68861499
688701:13:16,643 --> 01:13:18,353
6888really they're still
6889on probation.
6890
68911500
689201:13:18,561 --> 01:13:20,021
6893You know, is it a hundred
6894going that way,
6895
68961501
689701:13:20,230 --> 01:13:21,981
6898or a hundred going that way?
6899You wouldn't know.
6900
69011502
690201:13:22,190 --> 01:13:25,735
6903But when a wine that's 30, 40,
690450, 60 years of age
6905
69061503
690701:13:25,944 --> 01:13:27,237
6908gets a hundred points,
6909
69101504
691101:13:27,445 --> 01:13:30,031
6912that wine can't hide
6913behind alcohol,
6914
69151505
691601:13:30,240 --> 01:13:31,658
6917extract, or oak.
6918
69191506
692001:13:31,866 --> 01:13:33,368
6921It's basically naked
6922in front of you.
6923
69241507
692501:13:33,576 --> 01:13:34,911
6926It's unplanned.
6927
69281508
692901:13:38,581 --> 01:13:41,126
6930Regardless of what you feel
6931about point scores,
6932
69331509
693401:13:41,334 --> 01:13:44,003
6935if you are a high-end winery
6936
69371510
693801:13:44,212 --> 01:13:46,089
6939and you have
6940a big case production
6941
69421511
694301:13:46,297 --> 01:13:49,175
6944and you get over 95 points
6945on your wine,
6946
69471512
694801:13:49,384 --> 01:13:51,094
6949you're not going to be
6950unhappy about that.
6951
69521513
695301:13:51,302 --> 01:13:53,847
6954Do point scores matter?
6955Point scores may matter for some.
6956
69571514
695801:13:54,055 --> 01:13:55,265
6959We like our point scores.
6960
69611515
696201:13:55,473 --> 01:13:57,350
6963We take our point scores
6964with stride.
6965
69661516
696701:13:57,559 --> 01:13:59,269
6968We appreciate them.
6969We're not going to give them back,
6970
69711517
697201:13:59,477 --> 01:14:01,312
6973but that's not the first thing
6974we tout at all.
6975
69761518
697701:14:01,521 --> 01:14:03,731
6978But if we're asked,
6979
69801519
698101:14:03,940 --> 01:14:06,401
6982then I'll say, "Yeah,
6983that vintage of Grange got 100 points.
6984
69851520
698601:14:06,609 --> 01:14:07,986
6987"Yeah, that vintage
6988of Grange got 99.
6989
69901521
699101:14:08,194 --> 01:14:10,488
6992Yeah, that vintage
6993of Bin 60A got 100 points."
6994
69951522
699601:14:10,697 --> 01:14:12,115
6997Of course I'll say it
6998if they ask,
6999
70001523
700101:14:12,323 --> 01:14:13,700
7002but I'll say it,
7003
70041524
700501:14:13,908 --> 01:14:15,285
7006and then I'll move back
7007into the vineyards,
7008
70091525
701001:14:15,493 --> 01:14:17,537
7011they style, the history,
7012the why.
7013
70141526
701501:14:17,745 --> 01:14:19,247
7016That's what's most important.
7017
70181527
701901:14:40,602 --> 01:14:42,437
7020[Grieco] Forget the money
7021that you paid for the bottle,
7022
70231528
702401:14:42,645 --> 01:14:44,772
7025forget who the hell made it,
7026and even for a moment
7027
70281529
702901:14:44,981 --> 01:14:48,109
7030forget the history and all
7031the shit that I love so much.
7032
70331530
703401:14:48,318 --> 01:14:50,278
7035It goes with food.
7036
70371531
703801:14:52,113 --> 01:14:56,659
7039The opportunity for a sommelier
7040to pair wine with food--
7041
70421532
704301:14:56,868 --> 01:14:59,245
7044it's indisputable
7045that it can heighten
7046
70471533
704801:14:59,454 --> 01:15:01,998
7049and change an experience.
7050
70511534
705201:15:02,207 --> 01:15:03,791
7053A lot of food and wine pairing
7054is bullshit.
7055
70561535
705701:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,044
7058A lot of food and wine pairing
7059is over-thought.
7060
70611536
706201:15:06,252 --> 01:15:09,297
7063To say food and wine pairing
7064is bullshit?
7065
70661537
706701:15:09,506 --> 01:15:13,468
7068Okay. I mean, that's like saying
7069peanut butter and jelly is bullshit.
7070
70711538
707201:15:13,676 --> 01:15:15,220
7073There's a reason
7074why that works.
7075
70761539
707701:15:15,428 --> 01:15:17,305
7078Right?
7079A reason why we like that.
7080
70811540
708201:15:17,514 --> 01:15:19,682
7083If you just had peanut butter,
7084you'd do this...
7085
70861541
708701:15:19,891 --> 01:15:21,768
7088[smacking roof of mouth]
7089Right?
7090
70911542
709201:15:21,976 --> 01:15:24,395
7093Or that jelly has acidity in it.
7094It cuts it.
7095
70961543
709701:15:27,607 --> 01:15:28,816
7098[slurps]
7099
71001544
710101:15:33,238 --> 01:15:35,782
7102[swishes]
7103
71041545
710501:15:35,990 --> 01:15:39,327
7106So my favorite food and wine
7107pairings are simple.
7108
71091546
711001:15:39,536 --> 01:15:42,956
7111Muscadet and oysters.
7112
71131547
711401:15:43,164 --> 01:15:45,667
7115A glass of Chianti
7116and a piece of lamb.
7117
71181548
711901:15:45,875 --> 01:15:48,461
7120Sausage
7121and some Gewürztraminer.
7122
71231549
712401:15:48,670 --> 01:15:50,463
7125It's almost cliché,
7126but a lot of people heard it,
7127
71281550
712901:15:50,672 --> 01:15:52,131
7130but what grows together,
7131goes together.
7132
71331551
713401:15:52,340 --> 01:15:56,469
7135Plants and food
7136that grows in an area
7137
71381552
713901:15:56,678 --> 01:15:58,304
7140and grapes that grow
7141in the area,
7142
71431553
714401:15:58,513 --> 01:16:00,098
7145the wine and the food
7146tends to match up
7147
71481554
714901:16:00,306 --> 01:16:01,432
7150almost every time.
7151
71521555
715301:16:01,641 --> 01:16:02,892
7154People in France will say
7155
71561556
715701:16:03,101 --> 01:16:05,436
7158Sauternes and foie gras
7159go really well together.
7160
71611557
716201:16:05,645 --> 01:16:07,855
7163You would think
7164that the savoriness of the foie gras
7165
71661558
716701:16:08,064 --> 01:16:10,400
7168and the sweetness
7169of the Sauternes might be a conflict,
7170
71711559
717201:16:10,608 --> 01:16:11,776
7173but actually that's the richness.
7174
71751560
717601:16:11,985 --> 01:16:13,528
7177They just both kind of come together
7178
71791561
718001:16:13,736 --> 01:16:18,324
7181and really make the experience
7182much more harmonious.
7183
71841562
718501:16:18,533 --> 01:16:22,912
7186To me a food and wine pairing
7187is like a relationship
7188
71891563
719001:16:23,121 --> 01:16:25,248
7191between two human beings.
7192
71931564
719401:16:25,456 --> 01:16:26,416
7195It's like a marriage,
7196
71971565
719801:16:26,624 --> 01:16:29,294
7199hopefully, with no divorce.
7200
72011566
720201:16:29,502 --> 01:16:31,754
7203Traditionally Brussels sprouts,
7204asparagus, cauliflower,
7205
72061567
720701:16:31,963 --> 01:16:34,882
7208all of those green,
7209leafy vegetables are really hard to pair.
7210
72111568
721201:16:35,091 --> 01:16:37,010
7213[McClintic]
7214Rosé can pair really, really well
7215
72161569
721701:16:37,218 --> 01:16:39,929
7218with awkward vegetables.
7219How many times you had a salad on the table,
7220
72211570
722201:16:40,138 --> 01:16:41,889
7223you're like,
7224"Dude, my wine tastes terrible"?
7225
72261571
722701:16:42,098 --> 01:16:43,433
7228"I got vinaigrette in my mouth
7229
72301572
723101:16:43,641 --> 01:16:45,226
7232and this wine tastes sour.
7233It's awful."
7234
72351573
723601:16:45,435 --> 01:16:47,520
7237If you are stuck in a wine pairing
7238
72391574
724001:16:47,729 --> 01:16:48,896
7241and don't know what to do,
7242
72431575
724401:16:49,105 --> 01:16:50,648
7245don't forget champagne.
7246
72471576
724801:16:50,857 --> 01:16:54,444
7249Champagne is an enormous
7250food friendly style of wine.
7251
72521577
725301:16:54,652 --> 01:16:57,780
7254You can even go
7255through the entire meal with that.
7256
72571578
725801:16:57,989 --> 01:17:00,199
7259There's something to be said
7260for trial and error--
7261
72621579
726301:17:00,408 --> 01:17:02,285
7264example,
7265Syrah and Indian food.
7266
72671580
726801:17:02,493 --> 01:17:04,454
7269You know,
7270usually with spicy food,
7271
72721581
727301:17:04,662 --> 01:17:06,956
7274the last thing you want
7275is a spicy wine.
7276
72771582
727801:17:07,165 --> 01:17:08,916
7279You just think
7280it would be overkill,
7281
72821583
728301:17:09,125 --> 01:17:11,544
7284but for whatever reason,
7285Syrah and Indian food is incredible.
7286
72871584
728801:17:11,753 --> 01:17:13,254
7289Yeah, you've got
7290some good ones out there--
7291
72921585
729301:17:13,463 --> 01:17:15,131
7294Spam and Gewürztraminer.
7295
72961586
729701:17:15,340 --> 01:17:17,467
7298[Puckette]
7299Red bean chili and sparkling wine.
7300
73011587
730201:17:17,675 --> 01:17:19,969
7303[man]
7304Peanut butter ice cream and Beaujolais.
7305
73061588
730701:17:20,178 --> 01:17:21,346
7308Popcorn and chardonnay
7309is pretty cool.
7310
73111589
731201:17:21,554 --> 01:17:22,680
7313Chardonnay doesn't pair well
7314
73151590
731601:17:22,889 --> 01:17:24,265
7317with a lot of things
7318because of oak.
7319
73201591
732101:17:24,474 --> 01:17:26,893
7322Oak tends to conflict
7323with pairing,
7324
73251592
732601:17:27,101 --> 01:17:28,478
7327but when you have
7328buttery things,
7329
73301593
733101:17:28,686 --> 01:17:30,396
7332popcorn, it works.
7333
73341594
733501:17:30,605 --> 01:17:32,273
7336Save the milk.
7337
73381595
733901:17:32,482 --> 01:17:33,900
7340Like a decent Marsala
7341
73421596
734301:17:34,108 --> 01:17:35,401
7344and chocolate chip cookies,
7345
73461597
734701:17:35,610 --> 01:17:37,278
7348like nut-free
7349chocolate chip cookies,
7350
73511598
735201:17:37,487 --> 01:17:38,988
7353and then when you add
7354the Marsala,
7355
73561599
735701:17:39,197 --> 01:17:41,741
7358it tastes like there's nuts
7359in your cookies now.
7360
73611600
736201:17:41,949 --> 01:17:43,660
7363The consumer still believes
7364
73651601
736601:17:43,868 --> 01:17:45,244
7367that red wine
7368doesn't go with fish.
7369
73701602
737101:17:45,453 --> 01:17:46,788
7372Simple as that seems,
7373
73741603
737501:17:46,996 --> 01:17:48,873
7376like some of the best pairings
7377I've had lately
7378
73791604
738001:17:49,082 --> 01:17:51,918
7381have been light red wines
7382with fish, so...
7383
73841605
738501:17:52,126 --> 01:17:53,252
7386Oh, I'm hungry.
7387
73881606
738901:17:53,461 --> 01:17:55,129
7390Every dish has an opening
7391for wine.
7392
73931607
739401:17:58,049 --> 01:17:59,008
7395Hot dog with normal toppings,
7396
73971608
739801:17:59,217 --> 01:18:00,843
7399so we're talking about bun,
7400
74011609
740201:18:01,052 --> 01:18:02,428
7403we're talking about relish,
7404
74051610
740601:18:02,637 --> 01:18:04,389
7407we're talking about ketchup,
7408
74091611
741001:18:04,597 --> 01:18:06,557
7411maybe a little bit of mustard,
7412maybe raw onion.
7413
74141612
741501:18:06,766 --> 01:18:08,559
7416I would say probably
7417the most fun one here
7418
74191613
742001:18:08,768 --> 01:18:11,396
7421might be a Beaujolais.
7422
74231614
742401:18:11,604 --> 01:18:15,149
7425You don't have a wine
7426that is too scholarly
7427
74281615
742901:18:15,358 --> 01:18:16,609
7430or too pontificating.
7431
74321616
743301:18:16,818 --> 01:18:18,194
7434And it's a hot dog,
7435for God sake.
7436
74371617
743801:18:18,403 --> 01:18:19,612
7439You know?
7440We all love hot dogs,
7441
74421618
744301:18:19,821 --> 01:18:21,989
7444and Beaujolais
7445is not fussy either,
7446
74471619
744801:18:22,198 --> 01:18:23,700
7449so they should be together.
7450
74511620
745201:18:29,163 --> 01:18:31,582
7453[Parr]
7454The most underrated region in the world
7455
74561621
745701:18:31,791 --> 01:18:32,917
7458is Beaujolais.
7459
74601622
746101:18:33,126 --> 01:18:34,460
7462I'd probably have to say Beaujolais.
7463
74641623
746501:18:34,669 --> 01:18:36,295
7466Beaujolais, I think,
7467
74681624
746901:18:36,504 --> 01:18:39,090
7470delivers the best quality
7471and drinking experience
7472
74731625
747401:18:39,298 --> 01:18:40,925
7475for red wine,
7476dollar for dollar.
7477
74781626
747901:18:41,134 --> 01:18:42,343
7480Some of the most
7481pleasurable wines
7482
74831627
748401:18:42,552 --> 01:18:43,886
7485that I come across.
7486
74871628
748801:18:44,095 --> 01:18:46,347
7489Beaujolais would be
7490at the top of the list.
7491
74921629
749301:18:46,556 --> 01:18:48,182
7494There are two types of wines.
7495
74961630
749701:18:48,391 --> 01:18:49,726
7498There are intellectual wines,
7499
75001631
750101:18:49,934 --> 01:18:52,353
7502and there are
7503just delicious wines.
7504
75051632
750601:18:52,562 --> 01:18:55,606
7507This wine
7508is certainly intellectual.
7509
75101633
751101:18:55,815 --> 01:18:57,567
7512It's got crazy finesse.
7513
75141634
751501:18:57,775 --> 01:18:59,527
7516There's a lot going on
7517in this wine.
7518
75191635
752001:18:59,736 --> 01:19:01,070
7521It's super complex.
7522
75231636
752401:19:01,279 --> 01:19:05,450
7525It just also happens to be
7526insanely delicious.
7527
75281637
752901:19:05,658 --> 01:19:07,076
7530I can't keep my hands off it.
7531
75321638
753301:19:07,285 --> 01:19:10,538
7534It's like catnip
7535for sommeliers.
7536
75371639
753801:19:12,331 --> 01:19:15,042
7539Sommelier can be the best
7540and the worst.
7541
75421640
754301:19:15,251 --> 01:19:16,794
7544They are very important
7545
75461641
754701:19:17,003 --> 01:19:18,796
7548if they make the bridge
7549
75501642
755101:19:19,005 --> 01:19:20,089
7552between the producer
7553
75541643
755501:19:20,298 --> 01:19:21,758
7556and the drinker.
7557
75581644
755901:19:21,966 --> 01:19:25,762
7560Producer is
7561Jean-Louis Dutraive.
7562
75631645
756401:19:25,970 --> 01:19:28,639
7565It's a hundred percent Gamay.
7566
75671646
756801:19:28,848 --> 01:19:31,309
7569I don't always have
7570the exact same taste as my guests,
7571
75721647
757301:19:31,517 --> 01:19:33,144
7574and oftentimes
7575that's a lot of the case
7576
75771648
757801:19:33,352 --> 01:19:35,396
7579with a lot of sommeliers,
7580is that their taste
7581
75821649
758301:19:35,605 --> 01:19:38,524
7584is totally different
7585from the tastes of the guest.
7586
75871650
758801:19:38,733 --> 01:19:40,985
7589The inside joke in the wine
7590production business now
7591
75921651
759301:19:41,194 --> 01:19:42,278
7594is that everybody
7595should be producing
7596
75971652
759801:19:42,487 --> 01:19:44,781
7599<i>Trousseau Gris</i> in California
7600
76011653
760201:19:44,989 --> 01:19:46,699
7603because the somms
7604think it's so great.
7605
76061654
760701:19:46,908 --> 01:19:49,076
7608I think the things that
7609people hate about sommeliers
7610
76111655
761201:19:49,285 --> 01:19:50,578
7613is that we're so opinionated
7614
76151656
761601:19:50,787 --> 01:19:52,121
7617about one particular style
7618of wine
7619
76201657
762101:19:52,330 --> 01:19:54,624
7622or how wine should be.
7623
76241658
762501:19:54,832 --> 01:19:56,250
7626He's got so much knowledge,
7627
76281659
762901:19:56,459 --> 01:19:59,295
7630and his tastes
7631have changed remarkably.
7632
76331660
763401:19:59,504 --> 01:20:02,799
7635Since the moment
7636he started his journey into the wine business...
7637
76381661
763901:20:06,385 --> 01:20:08,221
7640till the moment
7641that he's a sommelier.
7642
76431662
764401:20:08,429 --> 01:20:10,473
7645- [camera shutters clicking]
7646- [no audible dialogue]
7647
76481663
764901:20:10,681 --> 01:20:13,184
7650You can bet
7651that the guy's going home
7652
76531664
765401:20:13,392 --> 01:20:15,728
7655and drinking some crazy
7656oxidized natural wine.
7657
76581665
765901:20:15,937 --> 01:20:18,064
7660This happens to be
7661a crazy natural wine producer.
7662
76631666
766401:20:18,272 --> 01:20:21,776
7665He uses barely any sulfur
7666in the winemaking process,
7667
76681667
766901:20:21,984 --> 01:20:24,278
7670hardly extracts at all.
7671He doesn't do anything.
7672
76731668
767401:20:24,487 --> 01:20:27,031
7675He lets it sit in the tank,
7676slightly submerged.
7677
76781669
767901:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,993
7680This crazy new red variety
7681made by a guy in eggs
7682
76831670
768401:20:31,202 --> 01:20:32,453
7685that are lined with wood
7686
76871671
768801:20:32,662 --> 01:20:34,205
7689that are buried
7690in the forest out back,
7691
76921672
769301:20:34,413 --> 01:20:36,999
7694and only the girls
7695can touch 'em kind of a thing.
7696
76971673
769801:20:37,208 --> 01:20:38,876
7699And he's able to achieve this
7700
77011674
770201:20:39,085 --> 01:20:42,004
7703with complete
7704minimal intervention.
7705
77061675
770701:20:42,213 --> 01:20:44,090
7708It's absolutely insane
7709how he does this.
7710
77111676
771201:20:44,298 --> 01:20:48,177
7713But these beautiful floral
7714and spicy herbaceous notes...
7715
77161677
771701:20:50,221 --> 01:20:53,099
7718You know so much.
7719
77201678
772101:20:53,307 --> 01:20:54,934
7722What?
7723
77241679
772501:20:55,142 --> 01:20:56,477
7726On the other side,
7727
77281680
772901:20:56,686 --> 01:20:58,521
7730you've got this person
7731who picks something
7732
77331681
773401:20:58,729 --> 01:21:00,106
7735that you've never heard of
7736
77371682
773801:21:00,314 --> 01:21:01,899
7739from a region that you
7740don't even know exists,
7741
77421683
774301:21:02,108 --> 01:21:04,318
7744that tastes like
7745what you really want,
7746
77471684
774801:21:04,527 --> 01:21:07,029
7749and it exposes you
7750to an entire new world
7751
77521685
775301:21:07,238 --> 01:21:08,239
7754that you never knew existed.
7755
77561686
775701:21:12,326 --> 01:21:14,495
7758I mean,
7759you taste a lot of wine,
7760
77611687
776201:21:14,704 --> 01:21:16,873
7763and this wine
7764has crazy X factor,
7765
77661688
776701:21:17,081 --> 01:21:19,876
7768so we're talking about
7769the southern part of Burgundy,
7770
77711689
777201:21:20,084 --> 01:21:22,420
7773just below Pinot Noir Mecca,
7774
77751690
777601:21:22,628 --> 01:21:24,755
7777and you're going to pay
7778$30 a bottle
7779
77801691
778101:21:24,964 --> 01:21:25,965
7782for a bottle like this
7783
77841692
778501:21:26,173 --> 01:21:27,258
7786whereas Burgundy
7787
77881693
778901:21:27,466 --> 01:21:29,677
7790can run you
7791into triple digits.
7792
77931694
779401:21:29,886 --> 01:21:33,222
7795And if you had this
7796with just about anything,
7797
77981695
779901:21:33,431 --> 01:21:35,725
7800even seafood,
7801you want red wine with fish,
7802
78031696
780401:21:35,933 --> 01:21:38,019
7805this is your ultimate play
7806right here.
7807
78081697
780901:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,273
7810Over time any wine drinker--
7811it's not just the sommeliers--
7812
78131698
781401:21:42,481 --> 01:21:43,858
7815people who drink wine a lot,
7816
78171699
781801:21:44,066 --> 01:21:46,110
7819you want to drink
7820the truth of what
7821
78221700
782301:21:46,319 --> 01:21:47,778
7824is coming from the earth.
7825
78261701
782701:21:47,987 --> 01:21:50,072
7828And that means tasting
7829the dirt of where it comes from.
7830
78311702
783201:21:50,281 --> 01:21:53,117
7833And at the end of the day
7834most wines that are fruit forward,
7835
78361703
783701:21:53,326 --> 01:21:56,162
7838you can't taste
7839what's behind that.
7840
78411704
784201:21:56,370 --> 01:21:57,997
7843It's like there's
7844all this makeup
7845
78461705
784701:21:58,205 --> 01:21:59,415
7848in front of seeing the truth
7849
78501706
785101:21:59,624 --> 01:22:00,833
7852of what's in the glass.
7853
78541707
785501:22:10,176 --> 01:22:11,844
7856[Dame]
7857I don't think they can help themselves.
7858
78591708
786001:22:12,053 --> 01:22:14,055
7861I don't believe sommeliers
7862can help themselves
7863
78641709
786501:22:14,263 --> 01:22:17,433
7866from the constant thirst
7867for knowledge,
7868
78691710
787001:22:17,642 --> 01:22:20,478
7871and we do love to share it.
7872
78731711
787401:22:20,686 --> 01:22:23,356
7875And I think that's--
7876that's the part of the equation you left out.
7877
78781712
787901:22:23,564 --> 01:22:26,025
7880We love to learn,
7881and we love to share it.
7882
78831713
788401:22:26,233 --> 01:22:28,611
7885Sometimes
7886a little bit too much.
7887
78881714
788901:22:28,819 --> 01:22:30,404
7890[McClintic]
7891If you're going to talk about sommeliers,
7892
78931715
789401:22:30,613 --> 01:22:32,573
7895you've got to talk
7896about the old-school guys.
7897
78981716
789901:22:32,782 --> 01:22:34,909
7900And if you're going to talk
7901about the old-school guys,
7902
79031717
790401:22:35,117 --> 01:22:36,744
7905you've got to talk
7906about Fred Dame.
7907
79081718
790901:22:38,621 --> 01:22:43,084
7910Fred Dame is perhaps
7911the most important sommelier
7912
79131719
791401:22:43,292 --> 01:22:46,963
7915in-- which means anything
7916in America.
7917
79181720
791901:22:47,171 --> 01:22:48,714
7920[Cauble]
7921I mean, I think wine service in America
7922
79231721
792401:22:48,923 --> 01:22:51,300
7925would not be anywhere close
7926to where it is without Fred.
7927
79281722
792901:23:00,476 --> 01:23:01,560
7930So the idea of a sommelier--
7931
79321723
793301:23:01,769 --> 01:23:03,145
7934think of the white gloves.
7935
79361724
793701:23:03,354 --> 01:23:05,815
7938You think of, you know,
7939the tastevin buttoned up,
7940
79411725
794201:23:06,023 --> 01:23:07,483
7943and you picture a butler.
7944
79451726
794601:23:09,318 --> 01:23:10,653
7947And then there's Fred,
7948
79491727
795001:23:10,861 --> 01:23:13,823
7951who's either in a wine dinner
7952
79531728
795401:23:14,031 --> 01:23:15,491
7955at some major market,
7956
79571729
795801:23:15,700 --> 01:23:17,785
7959or he's hunting
7960in the middle of nowhere.
7961
79621730
796301:23:22,456 --> 01:23:24,458
7964Have you ever seen
7965the movie <i>Star Wars?</i>
7966
79671731
796801:23:24,667 --> 01:23:26,002
7969I kind of think of Fred Dame
7970
79711732
797201:23:26,210 --> 01:23:27,253
7973as the character of Yoda.
7974
79751733
797601:23:43,769 --> 01:23:45,771
7977Why are we sitting
7978in the middle of a duck pond?
7979
79801734
798101:23:45,980 --> 01:23:47,690
7982'Cause it's beautiful.
7983
79841735
798501:23:47,898 --> 01:23:51,318
7986And you talk about sommeliers
7987
79881736
798901:23:51,527 --> 01:23:53,487
7990in the world of wine
7991and the vintages.
7992
79931737
799401:23:53,696 --> 01:23:55,156
7995Great.
7996
79971738
799801:23:55,364 --> 01:23:56,907
7999But look at the experience.
8000
80011739
800201:23:57,116 --> 01:23:59,785
8003It's about the experience.
8004
80051740
800601:23:59,994 --> 01:24:02,747
8007[chuckles] Fred Dame has probably
8008opened more great wine
8009
80101741
801101:24:02,955 --> 01:24:04,790
8012for people than anyone.
8013
80141742
801501:24:04,999 --> 01:24:08,002
8016[McClintic] You have a guy
8017who's been on the floor that long.
8018
80191743
802001:24:08,210 --> 01:24:10,671
8021Fred has got more stories
8022in his back pocket
8023
80241744
802501:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,506
8026than you could
8027possibly imagine.
8028
80291745
803001:24:15,217 --> 01:24:17,511
8031I used to work at a restaurant called
8032the Sardine Factory,
8033
80341746
803501:24:17,720 --> 01:24:18,929
8036Monterey, California.
8037
80381747
803901:24:19,138 --> 01:24:20,598
8040And one of the owners
8041is Ted Balestreri.
8042
80431748
804401:24:20,806 --> 01:24:22,224
8045The other's Bert Cutino.
8046
80471749
804801:24:22,433 --> 01:24:23,726
8049We're all good friends
8050with Leon Panetta,
8051
80521750
805301:24:23,934 --> 01:24:25,728
8054who was the head of the CIA
8055at the time.
8056
80571751
805801:24:25,936 --> 01:24:27,730
8059Of course the hunt
8060for Bin Laden was on.
8061
80621752
806301:24:27,938 --> 01:24:30,149
8064And when I was
8065the cellar master there,
8066
80671753
806801:24:30,357 --> 01:24:32,610
8069we bought a bottle
8070of 1870 Lafite.
8071
80721754
807301:24:35,738 --> 01:24:38,866
8074[Parr]
80751870 Lafite is priceless,
8076
80771755
807801:24:39,075 --> 01:24:40,493
8079among the rarest wines
8080on the planet,
8081
80821756
808301:24:40,701 --> 01:24:42,995
8084if not the rarest wine.
8085
80861757
808701:24:43,204 --> 01:24:44,705
8088[Dame]
8089So it's been sitting in the cellar,
8090
80911758
809201:24:44,914 --> 01:24:46,916
8093and every year they have
8094a New Year's Eve party,
8095
80961759
809701:24:47,124 --> 01:24:48,751
8098and Leon comes to the party.
8099
81001760
810101:24:48,959 --> 01:24:50,503
8102So he's always asking
8103about the 1870 Lafite.
8104
81051761
810601:24:50,711 --> 01:24:52,004
8107So they're sitting there
8108one night.
8109
81101762
811101:24:52,213 --> 01:24:53,589
8112It's probably
8113the end of the night.
8114
81151763
811601:24:53,798 --> 01:24:55,591
8117They've drunk
8118a lot of wine, had a good time,
8119
81201764
812101:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,927
8122and Ted goes,
8123"Tell you what, Leon.
8124
81251765
812601:24:58,135 --> 01:24:59,345
8127"You get Osama bin Laden,
8128
81291766
813001:24:59,553 --> 01:25:01,347
8131I'll open that bottle
8132for you."
8133
81341767
813501:25:01,555 --> 01:25:03,057
8136And everybody had
8137a good laugh.
8138
81391768
814001:25:03,265 --> 01:25:04,809
8141And a couple months go by,
8142
81431769
814401:25:05,017 --> 01:25:07,603
8145and his wife Silvia calls Ted
8146and goes,
8147
81481770
814901:25:07,812 --> 01:25:09,271
8150"You ought to be watching
8151the 6:00 news
8152
81531771
815401:25:09,480 --> 01:25:11,816
8155and tell Fred to get
8156his corkscrew out."
8157
81581772
815901:25:12,024 --> 01:25:15,236
8160So we had a dinner.
8161It was very special.
8162
81631773
816401:25:15,444 --> 01:25:17,822
8165I didn't know where it was going
8166to be till the last minute
8167
81681774
816901:25:18,030 --> 01:25:20,157
8170because it involved
8171a lot of people
8172
81731775
817401:25:20,366 --> 01:25:22,159
8175way up in the security world,
8176
81771776
817801:25:22,368 --> 01:25:25,496
8179but we opened that 1870 Lafite.
8180
81811777
818201:25:29,959 --> 01:25:31,377
8183But how do you serve 50 people
8184
81851778
818601:25:31,585 --> 01:25:32,920
8187out of a single bottle of wine?
8188
81891779
819001:25:33,129 --> 01:25:34,964
8191So I got a pipette,
8192
81931780
819401:25:35,172 --> 01:25:37,258
8195and I got CIA shot glasses.
8196
81971781
819801:25:37,466 --> 01:25:38,676
8199with the logo on them.
8200
82011782
820201:25:38,884 --> 01:25:40,261
8203The Secret Service guys
8204are like,
8205
82061783
820701:25:40,469 --> 01:25:41,679
8208"You know, guys,
8209I only got one.
8210
82111784
821201:25:41,887 --> 01:25:43,013
8213"If I drop this, we're screwed.
8214
82151785
821601:25:43,222 --> 01:25:44,765
8217Can you give me
8218a couple feet here?"
8219
82201786
822101:25:44,974 --> 01:25:46,559
8222So we decanted it out,
8223I pipetted it,
8224
82251787
822601:25:46,767 --> 01:25:48,477
8227and we all tried 1870 Lafite.
8228
82291788
823001:25:49,728 --> 01:25:51,647
8231Just intense and powerful,
8232
82331789
823401:25:51,856 --> 01:25:53,649
8235sweet fruit,
8236
82371790
823801:25:53,858 --> 01:25:58,320
8239and 1870 was one of the most
8240celebrated Bordeauxs of all time.
8241
82421791
824301:25:58,529 --> 01:26:00,156
8244[Dame]
8245If you just drunk the wine by itself,
8246
82471792
824801:26:00,364 --> 01:26:02,825
8249you sat there and had tears
8250in your eyes,
8251
82521793
825301:26:03,033 --> 01:26:06,871
8254but when you consider
8255
82561794
825701:26:07,079 --> 01:26:08,205
8258what bin Laden did
8259
82601795
826101:26:08,414 --> 01:26:09,874
8262and all the things
8263that occurred,
8264
82651796
826601:26:10,082 --> 01:26:11,083
8267it was spectacular.
8268
82691797
827001:26:23,888 --> 01:26:26,640
8271You can take the most expensive
8272bottle of wine you have
8273
82741798
827501:26:26,849 --> 01:26:28,601
8276and-- in your collection--
8277
82781799
827901:26:28,809 --> 01:26:31,145
8280get a great connoisseur,
8281
82821800
828301:26:31,353 --> 01:26:33,272
8284a great sommelier,
8285
82861801
828701:26:33,480 --> 01:26:34,773
8288and two guys off the street,
8289
82901802
829101:26:34,982 --> 01:26:36,692
8292set it down and pull that cork,
8293
82941803
829501:26:36,901 --> 01:26:39,361
8296and everybody's enjoying it
8297
82981804
829901:26:39,570 --> 01:26:40,696
8300in a little different way.
8301
83021805
830301:26:40,905 --> 01:26:42,031
8304That's the secret of it.
8305
83061806
830701:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,033
8308The complexity and the layers
8309
83101807
831101:26:44,241 --> 01:26:48,454
8312are there for those
8313who want it,
8314
83151808
831601:26:48,662 --> 01:26:51,957
8317but they're not essential
8318to the enjoyment
8319
83201809
832101:26:52,166 --> 01:26:53,918
8322of wine.
8323
83241810
832501:26:54,126 --> 01:26:55,544
8326Wine is very much like life.
8327
83281811
832901:26:55,753 --> 01:26:57,963
8330You know, life is these series
8331of fleeting moments,
8332
83331812
833401:26:58,172 --> 01:26:59,298
8335and then it's done,
8336
83371813
833801:26:59,506 --> 01:27:01,217
8339and-- and that's--
8340you know,
8341
83421814
834301:27:01,425 --> 01:27:03,719
8344sometimes you just gotta open
8345the bottle of wine and drink it.
8346
83471815
834801:27:03,928 --> 01:27:05,346
8349You've got
8350this bottle of wine.
8351
83521816
835301:27:05,554 --> 01:27:07,223
8354It's in a restaurant.
8355It's been ordered.
8356
83571817
835801:27:07,431 --> 01:27:08,641
8359It's going to come
8360to a table.
8361
83621818
836301:27:08,849 --> 01:27:12,394
8364And with it in
8365that 25.4 ounces of liquid
8366
83671819
836801:27:12,603 --> 01:27:14,480
8369are all these stories.
8370
83711820
837201:27:14,688 --> 01:27:15,773
8373The people, the place,
8374the soil,
8375
83761821
837701:27:15,981 --> 01:27:17,608
8378when it was harvested.
8379
83801822
838101:27:17,816 --> 01:27:19,276
8382How much work
8383you put into it,
8384
83851823
838601:27:19,485 --> 01:27:21,987
8387what you went through,
8388how much you made,
8389
83901824
839101:27:22,196 --> 01:27:23,697
8392how much it cost,
8393none of that matters.
8394
83951825
839601:27:23,906 --> 01:27:25,699
8397It all comes down
8398to that one bottle
8399
84001826
840101:27:25,908 --> 01:27:28,577
8402that's in front of two people.
8403
84041827
840501:27:28,786 --> 01:27:30,454
8406[Parr]
8407One of the most important things about wine
8408
84091828
841001:27:30,663 --> 01:27:31,956
8411is where it ends up
8412
84131829
841401:27:32,164 --> 01:27:34,959
8415and who opens it
8416and when they open it,
8417
84181830
841901:27:35,167 --> 01:27:36,293
8420who do they open it with.
8421
84221831
842301:27:36,502 --> 01:27:38,087
8424And the experience they have,
8425
84261832
842701:27:38,295 --> 01:27:40,214
8428you know, the sex they have,
8429the fight they have,
8430
84311833
843201:27:40,422 --> 01:27:43,133
8433the dinner they have,
8434the memory they have.
8435
84361834
843701:27:43,342 --> 01:27:45,010
8438And it should really create
8439joy in your life.
8440
84411835
844201:27:45,219 --> 01:27:48,222
8443Because your perception
8444is what makes it special,
8445
84461836
844701:27:48,430 --> 01:27:50,349
8448and people forget that.
8449
84501837
845101:27:50,557 --> 01:27:53,811
8452Just imagine how many of those bottles
8453are just going out there
8454
84551838
845601:27:54,019 --> 01:27:57,231
8457for all these people to just,
8458you know, have their way with.
8459
84601839
846101:27:57,439 --> 01:27:58,732
8462Once you pop a cork
8463
84641840
846501:27:58,941 --> 01:28:00,359
8466and you put it in that glass,
8467
84681841
846901:28:00,567 --> 01:28:02,820
8470only one thing matters--
8471
84721842
847301:28:03,028 --> 01:28:04,738
8474is it delicious?