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1In which Craig S Wright answers questions on btcchat.slack.com initially through Vlad, then through his own account created at 6:43 AM in logs.
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5----- Today May 4th, 2017 -----
6christophbergmann [4:00 AM] 
7Hei, @vlad2vlad are you here?
8
9[4:01] 
10You said CSW could answer any question I ask through your voice
11
12vlad2vlad [4:01 AM] 
13Ask away
14
15christophbergmann [4:01 AM] 
16cool ... I will ask several questions in next half hour
17
18[4:01] 
19First ... how did it come that you have become the voice of CSW?
20
21vlad2vlad [4:02 AM] 
22Destiny?
23
24[4:02] 
25Or you want me to ask him?
26
27[4:04] 
28I sent him the question.  Any other ones.
29
30christophbergmann [4:06 AM] 
31No, yes, both ... I mean, I guess he did not just call you and said: Vlad, be my voice. Did you search him? How did you win his trust?
32
33vlad2vlad [4:06 AM] 
34Here's what he said:  You are a little mad, as I am and I would not say you are my voice.  And more than that, you never treated me like shit.  You never required that I prove anything to befriend me.  You are always civil.
35
36[4:08] 
37I was hitting him up on twitter last year and I also sent him some emails but I didn't expect anything to come of it.  I tend to try and talk to all the major industry players.
38
39christophbergmann [4:09 AM] 
40When did you start believe that he is Satoshiß
41
42[4:09] 
43?
44
45[4:09] 
46thank you for taking the time, btw
47
48vlad2vlad [4:11 AM] 
49I personally thought he was Satoshi before it was leaked, when I saw a 2 part video from like 2015 I think.  That's what sold me on it.  Then when he came out and all that crazy stuff happened it was confusing but I figured there had to be some logical explanation for it all so, unlike most people, I gave him the benefit of the doubt.  I felt he at least deserved that.  Everyone does until there's real proof.  Media sound bytes are never proof for me.
50
51christophbergmann [4:12 AM] 
52Thanks
53
54[4:12] 
55What did he do 2010-2015?
56
57vlad2vlad [4:20 AM] 
582010-2011. I was in a shit place family wise>
59
60I was in a court battle with the Tax office (I won this in 2012)
61
62[4:23] 
63In 2011 I started a co again.  I moved assets in 2011.  And I did contract code and security work.  I was teaching at CSU until 2014.  CSU runs the Police and military training.
64
65[4:24] 
66From 2010 to 2013 I worked for both gaming co.s and LE.  They are both the ones who cared about risk. Not that perfect security is all, but risk.
67
68[4:25] 
69I had too many things answering gov questions form 2014 on
70
71[4:26] 
72I had a farm, a ranch really.  Middle of nowhere.  No people closer than 1KM.  I could work with no disturbances.  I sold it to fund some of the companies as well as other assets.  I loved that place. My work comes first.
73
74[4:27] 
75Next question, @christophbergmann
76
77christophbergmann [4:28 AM] 
78why did he leave Bitcoin in 2010?
79
80vlad2vlad [4:38 AM] 
81I was in battles, one after another to keep what I was working on.
82
83[4:39] 
84https://www.comcourts.gov.au/file/Federal/P/SYG746/2010/actions
85
86[4:40] 
87I do not want to have people follow me.  I want people to read and think.  I want them to question and validate.  Not to take my word or for that matter, anybodies.  And worse, do not look at something in the past and make that the yardstick.
88
89christophbergmann [4:41 AM] 
90didn't know this source.
91
92[4:42] 
93Can you explain what happened? While you continued working on Bitcoin, your company went bankrupt?
94
95vlad2vlad [4:48 AM] 
96In 2003 I had a fight with a 5% shareholder.  My first wife sided with him as she wanted me to be home more.  I ended up in an 11 year court battle.  Settled part and got the company.  I ended up winning.  You have the final judgements.  are district court, so not on google and people only see what they can easily google.
97
98[4:49] 
99Here is what you can tell them all..
100
101IF you need to do what I say as I am Satoshi and not because of the idea I am presenting, but the nature of my identity, then you are all lost!
102
103If you cannot think for yourself, then all this was for nothing
104
105[4:49] 
106If you judge based on an identity alone, on a perceived authority, then you are sheeple and deserve all you get
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108[4:52] 
109----
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111[4:52] 
112https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10702001
113
114list of "8 2 9 10 11", which is the list that GNUPG started generating a year (commit e50cac1d848d332c4dbf49d5f705d3cbbf074ba1) after the date on the key.
115
116BS utter BS.
117
118And this was written as I write, not a paid piece, but as I do and I was the author of the Authority paper.
119
120And it was independantly validated.
121
122It is simple and who actually checks?  
123
124Gmax says and it is law.
125
126[4:52] 
127Think. Learn that code is a tool and us humans can use tools, but it is not a panacea and can solve nothing on its own.
128
129[4:57] 
130There is no form of non-repudiation. This is stated again and again by those with a past in (applied)cryptography. Yet, it is a concept that does not exist.
131
132We live in a world of people. Code is a tool, it is a means to ensure that we can control our destiny if we use it well, but it does not remove the need to check and will never remove the need to think.
133
134christophbergmann [4:57 AM] 
135Yeah, Greg seems obsessed with calling you a conman ...
136
137vlad2vlad [4:57 AM] 
138Non-Repudiation can never exist as we live in a world of law. Law is Law. Crypto is a tool that adds weight to evidence, but it is not law.
139
140I can sign and then say my key was stolen. I can pass a key to another. This is a well established principle. In the courts, it is always possible to repudiate.
141
142I learned this the hard way. In my case, I was given a contempt citation as I argued the fact that electronic evidence supported my assertions. I learnt that law is law in 2004 when I argued that evidence of source information can be used against you and can be falsified and that it is not possible to simply show a key as proof.
143
144[4:58] 
145----
146MiniMax, err, Greg, is a douche.  <------ my words.  :)
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148[4:58] 
149---
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151[4:58] 
152Bitcoin is code. It has all the faults that code has. It does not make the world an anarchist playground and with it we are not free. We are free when we are free. We are free only when we allow our minds to be free.
153
154[4:59] 
155We are in a tragic world. There are no fair solutions, the world is simply not fair and we can do no more than make it worse by interfering with markets and free choice.
156
157[4:59] 
158‘a piratis et latronibus capta domimium non mutant’
159
160Look it up. It is a concept of law.
161
162christophbergmann [5:00 AM] 
163Did you sleep in this time? You had a company, a family and developed Bitcoin.
164
165vlad2vlad [5:01 AM] 
166Theft of keys is a means to have access to keys, and what does it prove, only that you hold a key. Any transaction can be recovered. If you think this is not the case, deal with those with guns. Tax is forced, but try and avoid the force.  Try legally.
167
168[5:01] 
169I spend millions to win a case worth 1.1 million. Pyrrhic. And what was the use. It changed nothing.
170
171[5:02] 
172End rant...
173
174vlad2vlad [5:08 AM] 
175I have a company. I have a family and I am enrolled in a Masters degree right now.  When I complete this degree, I will start another PhD.  
176
177Back then, I was also going to conferences, this I can no longer do.
178
179I am a full fee student. I do not take money for this.  I pay my own way.  No scholarships.  My choice.
180
181[5:08] 
182So, why is this such an issue for so many people?  I enjoy learning and knowledge.
183
184[5:10] 
185---
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187[5:10] 
188https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10702001
189
190The following is the sane response:
191
192"grovulent 512 days ago [-]
193
194As others have pointed out - it's arguable that publishing any claim about the identity of SN - puts the target in considerable, potential danger.
195Now I can understand that there is a public interest component in knowing SN's identity. And I'd even be willing to accept (but really only for sake of argument) that this public interest overrides SN's own right to privacy and safety.
196But to make these accusations when you yourself admit - as the article does - that there is a substantial degree of doubt, is to put at risk the safety and privacy of a person who doesn't deserve it in the least.
197This is an absolutely appalling thing to do to anyone. And it should be prima-facie obvious to you as to why.
198While I don't condone bullying of any sort - it really is the least of what these authors deserve. I personally don't feel Kanzure is bullying - merely pointing out how appalling this behaviour is, and this absolutely needs to be pointed out."
199
200christophbergmann [5:11 AM] 
201are you sad that you left Bitcoin in 2010? Was it a mistake?
202
203vlad2vlad [5:15 AM] 
204As for gaining... I gain nothing by proving I am Satoshi.
205My family gains nothing. We go into moving again.
206
207I do not get money and I DO NOT want fame
208
209[5:17] 
210I did not leave Bitcoin. Gavin was left to manage the code with others.  That is not leaving.
211
212christophbergmann [5:18 AM] 
213How would you call it then?
214
215vlad2vlad [5:23 AM] 
216I stopped responding to trolls.  The base protocol was and is fine.
217
218christophbergmann [5:29 AM] 
219what is the base protocol?
220
221vlad2vlad [5:31 AM] 
222With the cap removed it remains ok.
223
224christophbergmann [5:31 AM] 
225which version?
226
227[5:32] 
228I'm not so interested in Blocksize things. We had this over and over, it already bored out Bitcoin
229
230vlad2vlad [5:36 AM] 
231This is the answer to "what is the base protocol"?
232
233[5:36] 
234The means to have miners controls the network through competition. The exchange of blocks, the format, the original script and protocols.
235
236For example:
237
238https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.cpp#L2249
239
240See the comments that they all ignore.
241
242Prove that is not Satoshi. I do not need to sign anything and I do not need to jump their hoops, it is the code.
243GitHub
244trottier/original-bitcoin
245original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
246 
247
248christophbergmann [5:42 AM] 
249I wondered how can I know that this is the original codebase ...
250
251[5:42] 
252Some other question
253
254[5:42] 
255Why did you not publish a signed message?
256
257vlad2vlad [5:43 AM] 
258Continued from last response:                         What we need is simple, it is competition. Not a central authority. Not a 1984 double speak committee, but open and free competition.
259
260This means that people are allowed to build on top of the base protocol. That the miners decide (see the 08 paper). If people do not like it, they can lobby miners or better, invest in hash power.
261
262This way, changes are made based on what the market decides. Not an authority, the market. Each tries and fails and grows based on supply to a market.
263
264vlad2vlad [5:49 AM] 
265Answer to your last questing about signing a message:
266
267[5:49] 
268URGH!
269
2701. Tax. I am not offering proof that is proof. If I can access or not is MY business and it stays that way.
271
2722. More importantly, stop looking to a bloody saviour!
273
274Markets are the answer, free open competition.  Not Satoshi on his bloody white horse. Markets!
275
276[5:51] 
277Layer 2 networks will require the introduction of AML and intermediary controls. These are localised networks in the form of existing intermediaries.
278
279They can be allowed to operate with Bitcoin competitively, but not at the expense of open exchange. This being what they fear, why use L2 if you have no need?
280
281[5:52] 
282Those who do not think that government can set in and control this are either naive or malicious. There is no other view. This is not a false dichotomy. These are the only options.
283
284[5:53] 
285In all cases, L2 will require systems that can be controlled and they will require the interaction of merchants and other parties. Networks such as lightning centralise and offer control on a platter.
286
287christophbergmann [5:53 AM] 
288Something else ... now you are Chief Scientis at nChain, right?
289
290vlad2vlad [6:02 AM] 
291Yes. I will not discuss the company though.
292
293[6:02] 
294The others will. I say too much and get in trouble already.
295
296[6:03] 
297I am not a CEO for a good reason. I am good at maths and code, I can write responses that nobody reads that are cogent and sincere, but when it comes to politics and fronting things, I just dig holes for myself
298
299christophbergmann [6:06 AM] 
300Ok, can you say when the software will go open source?
301
302vlad2vlad [6:24 AM] 
303Not answering re times for Open Source.  It is underway.
304
305cryptonaut [6:34 AM] 
306@vlad2vlad CSW won't use slack or something? Would be interesting to get him on here.
307
308vlad2vlad [6:35 AM] 
309I seriously doubt it but I'll ask him@
310
311cryptonaut [6:36 AM] 
312Here's a question. Is Scronty legit or is this story just some fan fiction? (long read, but seems to align closely with the CSW story) https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5aflch/bitcoin_origins/
313reddit
314Bitcoin Origins • r/Bitcoin
315Afternoon, All. Today marks the eighth anniversary of the publication of the Bitcoin white paper. As a special tribute, I will provide you with...
316 
317
318[6:38] 
319If CSW is true and that above thread is true, Team Satoshi appears to consist of Craig, whoever that Scronty guy is, and David
320
321vlad2vlad [6:38 AM] 
322Dr. Wright says he'll come take a look in this channel but he's not gonna join.
323
324[6:39] 
325Who's got a link for this channel?
326
327cryptonaut [6:40 AM] 
328if you click on your name in the top left corner there should be an option to invite people by email
329
330[6:41] 
331tell him to make a throwaway if he wants to check it out but not join and get harrassed
332
333csw [6:43 AM] 
334joined #general
335
336cryptonaut [6:43 AM] 
337:new_moon_with_face: :rocket:
338
339csw [6:44 AM] 
340Scronty is a wanker
341
342csw [6:44 AM] 
343I am tired of people saying they worked with me. Scronty even got the number of BTC wrong.
344
345 2 replies Last reply today at 9:18 AM View thread
346
347vlad2vlad [6:45 AM] 
348Welcome Dr. Wright!!!!
349
350cryptonaut [6:45 AM] 
351so just some fan fiction then? and yes, welcome :smile:
352
353csw [6:46 AM] 
354Yes, and not a fan
355
356[6:47] 
357"I wondered how can I know that this is the original codebase ..."
358
359[6:47] 
360It is not, it is close, but it is available on the satoshi Inst as well.
361
362cryptonaut [6:47 AM] 
363Are you able to say how many there were on the team? 3, or was there more? Not that it matters really
364
365csw [6:47 AM] 
366The first released code was 0.0.9
367
368[6:47] 
369It crashed.
370
371onchainscaling [6:47 AM] 
372Why was 21 million chosen? was it arbitrary number or is there a reason for that particular number?
373
374csw [6:48 AM] 
375The first other users are Bear and Hal
376
377[6:48] 
378M1
379
380[6:48] 
38121 million links to global M1
382
383christophbergmann [6:48 AM] 
384Hallo Mr. Wright!
385
386csw [6:49 AM] 
387There are no decimal points, 21 million is the reference for people, the no. Satoshi (and I did not call them that) are related to M1 (edited)
388
389cryptonaut [6:50 AM] 
390can you expand on that?
391
392csw [6:50 AM] 
393http://lexicon.ft.com/Term?term=m0,-m1,-m2,-m3,-m4
394
395[6:51] 
396If you read the 08 paper, you will note the use of fiat as a value.
397
398[6:51] 
399Sect, 9. Page 5
400
401[6:51] 
402In the use of 21 million x 10^8 parts you have a value that maps to the cent
403
404[6:51] 
405That is, to global M1
406
407vlad2vlad [6:52 AM] 
408So bitcoin is meant to displace global fiat
409
410[6:52] 
411?
412
413csw [6:52 AM] 
414This would be 21,000,000,000,000 USD as M1.
415
41621,000 trillion
417
418[6:52] 
419The idea is global cash.
420
421[6:52] 
422A single world currency
423
424[6:53] 
425Can I assume that you have read Hayek's work on global money?
426
427vlad2vlad [6:53 AM] 
428You're not gonna have many friends out there.  But if you can pull it off bitcoin is gonna reach astronomical levels.
429
430[6:53] 
431No.  But i will.  :)
432
433csw [6:53 AM] 
434I have few friends.
435
436cryptonaut [6:53 AM] 
437section 9 is titled 'combining and splitting value" and does not mention a fiat value
438
439csw [6:54 AM] 
440I am not looking for them, I work best as I am and I find having a head in maths and code does not make one amiable to others.
441
442[6:54] 
443"Although it would be possible to handle coins individually, it would be unwieldy to make a
444separate transaction for every cent in a transfer"
445
446[6:55] 
447I believe that you will find that in S9.
448
449cryptonaut [6:55 AM] 
450right
451
452[6:56] 
453gotcha
454
455csw [6:56 AM] 
456I am sorry, I can be a little vague... If I am, ask for explanations.
457
458[6:56] 
459I make assumptions of knowledge
460
461cryptonaut [6:57 AM] 
462all good, just trying to piece together
463
464csw [6:57 AM] 
465It comes from too long inside universities
466
467cryptonaut [6:57 AM] 
468never been :wink:
469
470csw [6:57 AM] 
471Never been out...
472
473
474vlad2vlad [6:57 AM] 
475Lol
476
477csw [7:00 AM] 
478Re: Bitcoin P2P e-cash paper 2008-11-10 14:09:26 UTC
479
480
481James A. Donald wrote:
482> Furthermore, it cannot be made to work, as in the
483> proposed system the work of tracking who owns what coins
484> is paid for by seigniorage, which requires inflation.
485
486If you're having trouble with the inflation issue, it's easy to tweak it for 
487transaction fees instead. It's as simple as this: let the output value from 
488any transaction be 1 cent less than the input value. Either the client 
489software automatically writes transactions for 1 cent more than the intended 
490payment value, or it could come out of the payee's side. The incentive value 
491when a node finds a proof-of-work for a block could be the total of the fees in 
492the block.
493
494Satoshi Nakamoto
495
496cryptonaut [7:01 AM] 
497Hah. So google tells me M1 USD supply is just under 2.1 trillion. Total # of satoshis is 2100 trillion. Close enough I say lol.
498
499csw [7:01 AM] 
500https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/util.cpp#L210
501GitHub
502trottier/original-bitcoin
503original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
504 
505
506[7:02] 
507Have a look at the code.
508
509[7:03] 
510n /= CENT;
511
512@212; 255; 261
513in src/util.cpp
514
515[7:03] 
516https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.h#L17
517GitHub
518trottier/original-bitcoin
519original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
520 
521
522[7:03] 
523Main.h
524
525[7:03] 
526Defined against Cents
527
528[7:04] 
529// Value
530        int64 nValue = (GetRand(9) + 1) * 100 * CENT;
531        if (GetBalance() < nValue)
532        {
533            wxMessageBox("Out of money ");
534            return;
535        }
536        nValue += (nRep % 100) * CENT;
537
538[7:04] 
539https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/ui.cpp#L3178
540GitHub
541trottier/original-bitcoin
542original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
543 
544
545[7:04] 
546Do you require more evidence?
547
548cryptonaut [7:08 AM] 
549makes sense to me. Here's one for you though: what was the thinking behind adding the 1MB block limit that we are now dealing with 2.5+ years drama to solve?
550
551csw [7:08 AM] 
552https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.cpp
553GitHub
554trottier/original-bitcoin
555original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
556 
557
558[7:09] 
559// Transaction fee requirements, mainly only needed for flood control
560                    // Under 10K (about 80 inputs) is free for first 100 transactions
561                    // Base rate is 0.01 per KB
562                    int64 nMinFee = tx.GetMinFee(pblock->vtx.size() < 100);
563
564[7:09] 
565At 0.08 cents a BTC, flood control did not work.
566
567[7:09] 
568At more than 100USD, it does
569
570[7:09] 
571We are at more than 100USD a BTC right now.
572
573[7:10] 
574In early 2010, the number of nodes (please note, nodes are always verification agents, that is miners) was low. (edited)
575
576cryptonaut [7:10 AM] 
577friggin $2200 canadian on localbitcoins right now
578
579csw [7:11 AM] 
580It should be higher. The more people can use BitCoin natively, the more the value will increase.
581
582
583cryptonaut [7:11 AM] 
584spelling it BitCoin is heresy you know :stuck_out_tongue:
585
586csw [7:12 AM] 
587This is not as has been suggested exponential, but logistic
588
589[7:12] 
590It was in the early code as BitCoin
591
592cryptonaut [7:12 AM] 
593eh, looks ugly though. But yeah, to the moon and such
594
595csw [7:12 AM] 
596https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/readme.txt
597GitHub
598trottier/original-bitcoin
599original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
600 
601
602[7:13] 
603Line 1: BitCoin v0.1.3 ALPHA
604
605cryptonaut [7:13 AM] 
606Line 13: Bitcoin. Inconsistent lol
607
608csw [7:13 AM] 
609I have never been accused of being a designer
610
611[7:13] 
612I also never said I am perfect and yes, I do go back and forth.
613
614[7:14] 
615Lines 34 - 36:
616
617To support the network by running a node, select:
618
619 Options->Generate Coins
620
621cryptonaut [7:14 AM] 
622I tend to do the same when naming things
623
624csw [7:14 AM] 
625Code naming conventions do not always move into the real world well.
626
627cryptonaut [7:14 AM] 
628true
629
630csw [7:14 AM] 
631Words are not variables as much as I would like to have this be so
632
633[7:16] 
634I thought the comments in the code were rather good, then it seems they are either ignored or they are not read.
635
636[7:16] 
637Either saddens me, though I cannot state which would sadden me more.
638
639cryptonaut [7:16 AM] 
640which points or comments do you feel are being ignored?
641
642csw [7:17 AM] 
643Have you read Brooks?
644
645[7:17] 
646Mythical Man Month, 1975, 1995 re-printed
647
648cryptonaut [7:17 AM] 
649I have not
650
651csw [7:17 AM] 
652A shame.
653
654[7:17] 
655Page 65 from memory of Brooks
656
657[7:18] 
658Triple redundancy
659
660[7:18] 
661//
662// "Never go to sea with two chronometers; take one or three."
663// Our three chronometers are:
664//  - System clock
665//  - Median of other server's clocks
666//  - NTP servers
667//
668// note: NTP isn't implemented yet, so until then we just use the median
669//  of other nodes clocks to correct ours.
670//
671
672[7:18] 
673https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/util.cpp#L326
674GitHub
675trottier/original-bitcoin
676original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
677 
678
679[7:19] 
680I do not see why there are arguments on things link the use off NTP as a base that is averaged in the system between nodes.
681
682[7:19] 
683The code has a number of comments stating that this is to be done.
684
685[7:20] 
686// Only let other nodes change our clock so far before we
687            // go to the NTP servers
688            /// todo: Get time from NTP servers, then set a flag
689            ///    to make sure it doesn't get changed again
690        }
691
692[7:22] 
693And it should not be monolithic...
694
695https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/net.cpp#L893
696GitHub
697trottier/original-bitcoin
698original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
699 
700
701[7:22] 
702//// todo: start one thread per processor, use getenv("NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS")
703
704[7:22] 
705And the market place was never fixed.
706https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/ui.cpp#L1619
707GitHub
708trottier/original-bitcoin
709original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
710 
711
712cryptonaut [7:23 AM] 
713I'm not too familiar with the nuances of NTP and server clocks etc, just a humble web developer. To get back to the 1MB block size thing for a second - did you anticipate the difficulty of removing or replacing the limit that we are currently experiencing?
714
715csw [7:23 AM] 
716There was supposed to be a means to have a merchant exchange a message with the purchaser. This would be a direct PoS system, no need for Visa etc.
717
718[7:24] 
7192010
720
721[7:24] 
722See email
723
724[7:24] 
725Well before we get to where we are RIGHT NOW it is possible to preempt this and have an increase.
726
727jp [7:25 AM] 
728Why did you credit Adam Back hashcash when you didn't use it?
729
730csw [7:25 AM] 
731Adam intro'd Wei
732
733[7:25] 
734I do not generally talk to people I do not know. Not without an intro
735
736jp [7:26 AM] 
737But why credit him while you not used his? This wrong citation creates this evil blockstream
738
739csw [7:26 AM] 
740Adam was helpful for all that he said it would not work, but I am used to people saying my work is not worth considering.
741
742jp [7:26 AM] 
743Why you didn't credit triple entry accounting?
744
745csw [7:27 AM] 
746I am not able to see the future.
747
748cryptonaut [7:27 AM] 
749re: merchant exchange, decent idea but probably premature and not the best idea to put so many use cases into a single application (for example, the wallet accounts system used by Core is total garbage)
750
751csw [7:27 AM] 
752The list of references would be in the 100s of pages if I was to list the giants it was built to stand upon.
753
754jp [7:28 AM] 
755You used triple entry accounting in 2005 to inspire blockchain. But instead you credited something not actually used
756
757csw [7:28 AM] 
758Yes, the marketplace was far too early. And my design skills are far too poor.
759
760[7:28] 
761Using wxHtml was also a mistake.
762
763jp [7:29 AM] 
764It is why Ian grigg was heavily undervalued while core Adam back is crook
765
766cryptonaut [7:29 AM] 
767the idea for PoW is an iteration/evolution of hashcash so I don't think the citation is off base really
768
769csw [7:29 AM] 
770And triple entry accounting was something I stayed away from commenting
771
772jp [7:29 AM] 
773It is not too late to comment now
774
775csw [7:29 AM] 
776It was something I was introduced to when I was working at BDO, an accounting firm
777
778jp [7:29 AM] 
779Yes. Granger did
780
781csw [7:31 AM] 
782Again, I never foresaw the world to come as it has come. I did not see the politics. I saw state actors as more the issue than Adam B(l)ack
783
784
785jp [7:31 AM] 
786I Think you should also correct the citation.  Adam back himself was surprised when he saw he was credited
787
788christophbergmann [7:31 AM] 
789why was Ian Grigg heavily undervalued, @jp ?
790
791cryptonaut [7:31 AM] 
792what a mind trip adam must have had lol
793
794jp [7:32 AM] 
795He was the one kept looking for hmwjo SN was because he was surprised as his name was included in whitepaper while he knew hashcash was not used
796
797csw [7:32 AM] 
798It is published. Papers should not be played with
799
800[7:32] 
801I am not a god, I am a researcher. I code, I do maths and I am fallible. (edited)
802
803jp [7:33 AM] 
804It is not late to correctly credit people whose works you used.
805
806[7:33] 
807Adam back is not and should not be on whitepaper because of just an introduction email to Wei Dai
808
809csw [7:34 AM] 
810Should not. Is. These are separate concepts.
811
812tomothy 
813[7:34 AM] 
814I know you touched on the 1mb cap and mining but can you comment on the idea of the UASF, (user activated soft fork) and your thought on using it to implement segwit? Also general thoughts on segwit? Thanks.
815
816csw [7:34 AM] 
817I do not want to be found. I did not want to be found.
818
819cryptonaut [7:34 AM] 
820frankly unless csw somehow 100% proves he is satoshi, any whitepaper update wouldn't be taken seriously and probably a waste of time. Plus blockstream is already a thing, too late for that
821
822
823csw [7:35 AM] 
824UASF - Miners are nodes. Nodes are miners.
825
826[7:35] 
827There are NO full non-mining nodes.
828
829
830[7:35] 
831Please read the paper.
832
833[7:35] 
834It is VERY VERY clear
835
836[7:35] 
837If you have issues, look at the code.
838
839tomothy 
840[7:35 AM] 
841And then segwit generally?
842
843csw [7:36 AM] 
844"Nodes" that are not mining are wallets, these are fat SPV systems and sock puppets
845
846[7:36] 
847SegWit centralises the system
848
849jp [7:36 AM] 
850What is your plan to stop segwit? A hard fork coming soon?
851
852csw [7:36 AM] 
853It means that developers can make further changes without a consensus
854
855bdd [7:36 AM] 
856joined #general
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858csw [7:37 AM] 
859There will not be an update. Mistakes on referencing or not
860
861tomothy 
862[7:37 AM] 
863To the best of your knowledge, does segwit infringe on any patents?
864
865csw [7:38 AM] 
866And I will not prove. I am not here to prove. If you need to listen as you think that I am and this is the sole reason, then it is lost to you in any event.
867
868[7:38] 
869Tomothy.
870
871[7:38] 
872Yes
873
874[7:38] 
875I cannot expand on that here and now.
876
877[7:39] 
878That will be addressed soon and in the manner that is requires
879
880tomothy 
881[7:39 AM] 
882And is it safe to the assume that the creators of segwit had alterior motives for creating it, introducing it, and refusing to increase 1mb limit?
883
884[7:39] 
885Understood. Eagerly await.
886
887csw [7:39 AM] 
888I cannot speak for the motivations of others I do not know intimately
889
890jp [7:39 AM] 
891What can we do to help?
892
893
894csw [7:40 AM] 
895Law is Law. 
896Cryptographic tools are tools. 
897I know many do not see this, but when it comes to intellectual property, it is rather certain.
898
899[7:40] 
900To help... compete.
901
902[7:40] 
903Competition and markets are the source of human freedom and innovation.
904
905[7:41] 
906Make something.
907 
908
909[7:41] 
910Develop
911
912jp [7:41 AM] 
913Compete in what way? I see that the SDK is one stone two birds. Kill core and alts
914
915csw [7:41 AM] 
916And if you fail for the n-th time... Start and try again.
917
918cryptonaut [7:41 AM] 
919amen to that, @jp compete in all ways :stuck_out_tongue:
920
921[7:41] 
922getting super late here, I'm out guys. Cheers
923
924
925jp [7:41 AM] 
926Will there be any smart contract applications coming?
927
928csw [7:41 AM] 
929I cannot discuss that./
930
931[7:42] 
932I also need to go. 
933I am sorry, but I have a lot to do.
934 
935
936jp [7:42 AM] 
937Thank you.
938
939tomothy 
940[7:42 AM] 
941Same, thanks for providing so many responses!
942
943csw [7:42 AM] 
944Please, all I ask is do not follow me, a developer or anyone based on who they are. Look anytime, everytime on the solution, the effects and the trade-off.
945 
946
947bitsko [7:43 AM] 
948thank you for your thoughts!
949
950csw [7:43 AM] 
951Please remember, this is a world of scarcity, there is always something that is a trade-off, a cost and we cannot just assume that a change comes without a cost.
952
953[7:43] 
954Fair well.
955 
956
957jp [7:45 AM] 
958And he gone.
959
960cypherblock [7:45 AM] 
961well that was interesting.
962
963bitsko [7:46 AM] 
964:awesome: :ohyeah: :awesome: :ohyeah: :success: :success: :wut: :rocket:
965
966norway [7:47 AM] 
967This is crazy.
968
969tomothy 
970[7:47 AM] 
971Thanks for making that happen vlad
972
973vlad2vlad [7:47 AM] 
974BOOM!!!  Told you guys Dr Wright was the real deal!!!
975
976tomothy 
977[7:47 AM] 
978I still expect some God damn fireworks though. That better not be the end of it.
979
980
981vlad2vlad [7:47 AM] 
982I do what I do.  ;p
983
984[7:48] 
985I don't think that's the end of it.  It's like core is gonna compromise.
986
987tomothy 
988[7:48 AM] 
989We need that tabloid inquirer type juice too
990
991jp [7:48 AM] 
992I told you were a working tool. Good one.
993
994vlad2vlad [7:48 AM] 
995Lol.
996
997tomothy 
998[7:48 AM] 
999LOL compromise LOL
1000
1001vlad2vlad [7:48 AM] 
1002Haha
1003
1004norway [7:49 AM] 
1005I like this one: "There are NO full non-mining nodes."
1006
1007
1008cypherblock [7:49 AM] 
1009I thought his first post was interesting.
1010
1011norway [7:50 AM] 
1012Bitcoin mapped to current M1 makes a lot of sense.
1013
1014vlad2vlad [7:50 AM] 
1015Replace cash.  Brilliant.
1016
1017norway [7:51 AM] 
1018M1 is not just physical cash. It's also spending accounts.
1019
1020vlad2vlad [7:51 AM] 
1021Yeah, cash equivalents
1022
1023[7:52] 
1024That was a solid showing
1025
1026cypherblock [7:53 AM] 
1027@vlad2vlad why did his first post here call out Scronty. Were you guys discussing him previously?
1028
1029vlad2vlad [7:53 AM] 
1030I don't think so.  Not sure if someone else maybe mentioned him.
1031
1032jp [7:54 AM] 
1033Scronty is a wannabe wanker
1034
1035vlad2vlad [7:54 AM] 
1036Lol
1037
1038jp [7:54 AM] 
1039He even sent emails asking for 500k btc
1040
1041norway [7:54 AM] 
1042I made a calculation of potential bitcoin value a couple of years ago. I used M2 (Cash + spending accounts + savings accounts) as the basis. It's these pie charts: https://i.imgur.com/KA8CuED.png (231kB)
1043
1044vlad2vlad [7:55 AM] 
1045That guy messaged me telling me crazy stuff.  Sounded desperate.  Scammer type.
1046
1047cypherblock [7:55 AM] 
1048ah I see @cryptonaut posted question about Scronty. Scronty seems like a nice guy, either he is full of shit or he is not. Same as csw.
1049
1050jp [7:57 AM] 
1051Scronty sent emails demanding 500k btc
1052
1053cypherblock [7:57 AM] 
1054@jp please post
1055
1056[7:58] 
1057csw posted ~invalid~ faked, scammy satoshi signatures. (edited)
1058
1059jp [7:58 AM] 
1060uploaded this image: Screenshot_20170504-045821.png
1061Add Comment
1062
1063vlad2vlad [7:58 AM] 
1064Scronty told me he asked for 500k BTC.  Said it was owed to him
1065
1066jp [7:59 AM] 
1067uploaded this image: Screenshot_20170504-045849.jpg
1068Add Comment
1069
1070cypherblock [8:00 AM] 
1071@jp didn’t look like a demand there, but that is semantics I suppose. Sounds like he was involved then? Can you confirm?
1072
1073jp [8:00 AM] 
1074Oh. It was a lot of rants prior that
1075
1076[8:01] 
1077Scronty was not involved. He is pissed off because he was not
1078
1079[8:01] 
1080Like you knew someone before he/she getting famous and now you jump up and down to tell people that you two were best friend forever lol
1081
1082vlad2vlad [8:02 AM] 
1083@jp  are you Joseph?
1084
1085cypherblock [8:02 AM] 
1086Not involved at all? Didn’t help author the white paper or see any drafts of it prior to publication and give feedback on that?
1087
1088jp [8:02 AM] 
1089John Paterson
1090
1091[8:02] 
1092Not involved
1093
1094[8:02] 
1095You can write that fantasy novel too
1096
1097[8:02] 
1098By gathering public info and some studies
1099
1100newliberty [8:03 AM] 
1101joined #general
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1103cypherblock [8:03 AM] 
1104@jp who came up with using hashcash (yes I know you hate) pow? Was that csw?
1105
1106tomothy 
1107[8:03 AM] 
1108NL this is slack text I wanted to send or link dunno how
1109
1110jp [8:04 AM] 
1111No. Hashcash was not used
1112
1113[8:04] 
1114It is why I raised this issue
1115
1116cypherblock [8:04 AM] 
1117double sha256 as pow then. who came up with that?
1118
1119jp [8:04 AM] 
1120Adam Back was surprised when he was credited
1121
1122[8:05] 
1123He kept wondering who was Satoshi because Adam back said solutions Satoshi put, wouldn't work
1124
1125[8:05] 
1126And here we re. Adam back tries to steal everything
1127
1128[8:06] 
1129Wei Dai helped
1130
1131tomtomtom7 [8:06 AM] 
1132joined #general
1133
1134tomothy 
1135[8:07 AM] 
1136I think he might now be in http://btcchat.slack.com
1137
1138[8:07] 
1139If you have access
1140
1141cypherblock [8:07 AM] 
1142@jp but bitcoin does use double sha256 as proof of work, so there is some basis for referencing another work that also used that.
1143
1144tomothy 
1145[8:08 AM] 
1146For those just joining and hoping to get some answers. Was just told he got there and is talking also
1147
1148jp [8:08 AM] 
1149Read Ddos resistance paper
1150
1151tomothy 
1152[8:08 AM] 
1153Unless this is that slack... Lol I don't think it is though, right? To many slacks
1154
1155cypherblock [8:08 AM] 
1156@timothy this is btcchat yes.
1157
1158jp [8:09 AM] 
1159Hashcash was used for email spam
1160
1161tomothy 
1162[8:09 AM] 
1163Oh. Damn, sorry NL.
1164
1165jp [8:09 AM] 
1166It was hashcash original purpose
1167
1168cypherblock [8:09 AM] 
1169@jp yes I am aware. I completely agree that bitcoin is far far different than hashcash
1170
1171jp [8:10 AM] 
1172Too much fantasy from email spam solution to bitcoin as Adam back claims. Totally scam
1173
1174cypherblock [8:11 AM] 
1175but still the concept of proof of work, of something that is easy to verify and hard to create is important. Adam came up with good solution for that and saw its use but obviously nothing like bitcoin.
1176
1177vlad2vlad [8:11 AM] 
1178JVP??  Man, Dr. Wright brought in the big strangers.  Welcome, @newliberty
1179
1180jp [8:11 AM] 
1181If the whitepaper citations were done properly, actually credit properly then we wouldn't have blockstream Adam Back of today
1182
1183[8:11] 
1184But as Dr. Wright said, he could not see the future
1185
1186[8:13] 
1187Hal Finney, Dave Kleiman. Wei Dai were  the team. If anyone else claimed to be a part of It and asking for money, it is scammer
1188
1189vlad2vlad [8:15 AM] 
1190@jp  What about bear?  I'm pretty sure he helped out early on
1191
1192jp [8:16 AM] 
1193I won't comment on that.
1194
1195vlad2vlad [8:16 AM] 
1196The answer is yes.
1197
1198cypherblock [8:16 AM] 
1199yeah who is bear? Sorry I mean I’m not familiar with that moniker, is he referenced elsewhere?
1200
1201vlad2vlad [8:16 AM] 
1202I actually talked to him a couple weeks ago about another project
1203
1204[8:16] 
1205Ray Dillinger
1206
1207[8:17] 
1208Maybe we can get him in here too.  Bring back the whole team.  Minus Hal, of course.
1209
1210jp [8:17 AM] 
1211Minus Dave K
1212
1213vlad2vlad [8:17 AM] 
1214Oops.  Him too.
1215
1216[8:18] 
1217I've got Gavin's email.  Gonna try him
1218
1219jp [8:19 AM] 
1220Adam Back should stop riding the bitcoin whitepaper coattail
1221
1222vlad2vlad [8:20 AM] 
1223I sent bear and Gavin and invite.  Maybe we'll get a super dev slack going here.
1224
1225
1226awemany [8:25 AM] 
1227joined #general
1228
1229bitsko [8:27 AM] 
1230Was trying to get full text with slack signup as title for a pastebin. Looks like i didnt get it all, now on cell and must work. :fearful:
1231
1232travin [8:27 AM] 
1233joined #general
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1235cypherblock [8:29 AM] 
1236@jp were you involved with early bitcoin? You are not jvp right? Sorry so many monikers to track.
1237
1238jp [8:29 AM] 
1239As Dr. Wright said, he is tired of having people saying that they worked with him.
1240
1241tomothy 
1242[8:29 AM] 
1243Yeah also on mobile, Vlad maybe make a pastebin of today's excitement?
12441 reply Today at 8:31 AM View thread
1245
1246jp [8:29 AM] 
1247I am John Paterson
1248
1249csw [8:30 AM] 
1250No, I posted a link to read Satre.
1251
1252Pinned by jp 
1253Today at 8:32 AM Pinned by jp
1254[8:31] 
1255Please read the following (translated) page for this:
1256http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1964/12/17/sartre-on-the-nobel-prize/
1257The New York Review of Books
1258Sartre on the Nobel Prize
1259Jean-Paul Sartre explained his refusal to accept the Nobel Prize for Literature in a statement made to the Swedish Press on October 22, which appeared in Le Monde in a French translation approved by Sartre. The following translation into English was made by Richard Howard. I deeply regret the fact that the incident has become … (13kB)
1260
1261vlad2vlad [8:32 AM] 
1262I'm also on mobile.  4 years strong
1263
1264xhiggy [8:33 AM] 
1265joined #general
1266
1267vlad2vlad [8:33 AM] 
1268Now I remember reading that
1269
1270awemany [8:34 AM] 
1271csw, so what I am wondering, given the general hands-off attitude you seem to possess: why do you want to get involved with Bitcoin development again through nchain? Do you distrust the market? Or do you think the market simply includes you as a market participant as well, and it therefore should reflect your actions?
1272
1273csw [8:34 AM] 
1274East vs West, this is a cultural comment. It does not relate to what people see, but to order and anarchy. Neither is the way. Being a Libertarian is a means to allow free trade and market solutions, but it requires institutions.
1275
1276[8:34] 
1277The market is all I trust!
1278
1279[8:35] 
1280Am I being a wet blanket here, or does anyone understand the point of the Satre rejection letter?
1281
1282[8:36] 
1283There exists nothing to relate a free market based global money to. It is as a consequence of never truly having been free. The "Gold standard" was in fact a Gold exchange standard and worse, it was a BiMetalist system (edited)
1284
1285newliberty [8:38 AM] 
1286There've been a number of different gold standards, so there's not really a standard gold standard.
1287
1288tomothy 
1289[8:39 AM] 
1290The point of the letter is apt and plainly similar. Thanks for sharing.
1291
1292csw [8:39 AM] 
1293Everyone seeks an authority. This is what BitCoin was created to bypass. We can all trade and we can do this as the market determines. Not as a consequence of a high priesthood, but through trial and error, failure and just sheer will to try and learn and fail again.
1294
1295[8:40] 
1296Satoshi has to be a myth. If you make me, or anyone a 'God', an infallible authority, then what is the point?
1297
1298
1299cypherblock [8:40 AM] 
1300did you purposely want to undermine Gavin as a way to remove his authority as well? That seems a bit, well, rough.
1301
1302charlieshrem [8:41 AM] 
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1305charlieshrem [8:42 AM] 
1306Hey
1307 2 replies Last reply today at 8:42 AM View thread
1308
1309awemany [8:42 AM] 
1310csw: yes that authority part makes a lot of sense and also why the creator had to hide. this is why I am wondering about your personal involvement again. is nchain going to be funded by early coins?
1311
1312csw [8:42 AM] 
1313Core should not tell you what to do. They need to propose and allow the market to decide. Bitcoin solves the issue of sock puppets in a manner analogous to the gambler at the roulette table.  This means we propose and allow it to compete and to see what we can have, not as a centralised system but through many groups.
1314
1315newliberty [8:42 AM] 
1316Recognizing "Satoshi" ought be more about gratitude than authority seeking.  Authorities are to be questioned.
1317
1318csw [8:42 AM] 
1319nChain is funded, but I will not discuss that. There are people in the group who will.
1320
1321jp [8:42 AM] 
1322Someone pastebin this chat pls. I'm on mobile
1323
1324csw [8:43 AM] 
1325Authority NEEDS to be questioned.
1326
1327
1328[8:43] 
1329I study and I write. More than that I do not ask.
1330
1331awemany [8:43 AM] 
1332csw: ok. Core supporters often bring forward the 'alternative implementations are menace to the network' part - what did you mean by that, in light of 'many groups' above? (edited)
1333
1334tomothy 
1335[8:44 AM] 
1336Newliberty did.
1337
1338csw [8:44 AM] 
1339They are a menace only to those who freely decide.
1340
1341wellspenttime [8:44 AM] 
1342joined #general. Also, @joeldalais joined.
1343
1344csw [8:44 AM] 
1345If you consider the flaw in BU, it was a loss to the miner, not to the protocol
1346
1347
1348charlieshrem [8:45 AM] 
1349BU has too many issues to safely be considered the reference client.
1350
1351csw [8:45 AM] 
1352That should be encouraged. No transaction was lost and the overall system did not suffer, so why is this a problem generally?
1353
1354[8:45] 
1355Charlie, I do agree. But the solution does not need to be so difficult
1356
1357charlieshrem [8:45 AM] 
1358Agreed.
1359
1360csw [8:46 AM] 
1361And we can scale on and off chain at the same time
1362  
1363
1364charlieshrem [8:46 AM] 
1365Agreed as well.
1366
1367[8:46] 
1368I feel like good solutions have come alight, but are blocked/put down based on who their authors are.
1369
1370csw [8:46 AM] 
1371In the 8 years, Moore's law has held and will continue.
1372
1373[8:49] 
1374Did any of you know that a 2nm transistor was created. This was something considered impossible. It is lower than the 7nm Quantum tunnelling effect.
1375
1376lunar [8:49 AM] 
1377@csw . Good afternoon. I'm just one small cog in the Bitcoin Unlimited team, but we've been trying to solve the blocksize issue for several years now. I was interested in what you thought about the emergent consensus solution? The idea BU implements, by giving miners the tools to signal between each other and come to a free market driven determination of the blocksize commodity, with an adjustable block cap. Thanks
1378
1379csw [8:49 AM] 
1380This occurred in 2012.
1381
1382[8:49] 
1383I think that miners need to decide.
1384 
1385
1386joeldalais [8:50 AM] 
1387can i ask - what is nChain bringing to the table? will it be a new client implementation? actual development (instead of this stalling we've had for years)? new teams of programmers (seems you have a very strong team)? business solutions? end user solutions? or - a mix of everything and more? or don't worry if its too early to ask (edited)
1388
1389csw [8:51 AM] 
1390In 2009/10, the value of Bitcoin was far too low for flood control to work based on fees without a cap.
1391
1392tomothy 
1393[8:51 AM] 
1394See above, not really discussing nchain
1395
1396joeldalais [8:51 AM] 
1397fair enough :slightly_smiling_face:
1398
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1400Today at 8:52 AM Pinned by jp
1401csw [8:51 AM] 
1402I will not discuss the business side here sorry. There is a team who do that. I focus on code and maths
1403
1404[8:51] 
1405https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.cpp
1406GitHub
1407trottier/original-bitcoin
1408original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
1409 
1410
1411[8:51] 
1412Please have a quick look at the 0.1.3 and earlier code
1413
1414joeldalais [8:51 AM] 
1415ok, then i'll be quiet and soak up what knowledge i can :slightly_smiling_face:
1416
1417csw [8:52 AM] 
1418Lines 2249 as comments and on:
1419
1420// Transaction fee requirements, mainly only needed for flood control
1421// Under 10K (about 80 inputs) is free for first 100 transactions
1422// Base rate is 0.01 per KB
1423
1424[8:53] 
1425It is simple to create a flood based fee system
1426
1427newliberty [8:53 AM] 
1428For QC threats over the coming years, Shor's algo for keys and Grover's for hashing are concerns, but they will hit most every other security protocol before they are problems for Bitcoin, so should ample be time to resolve, and the failures of others to learn from.  I imagine these were design considerations?  Care to comment on this?
1429
1430csw [8:53 AM] 
1431Offer a set amount for free and then have a capped value - not a limit, let TXs pay to be in if there are too many (as decided by the market and not a committee)
1432
1433[8:54] 
1434QC is bunk
1435
1436[8:54] 
1437Grover's  algo means a large QC could solve a hash in a billion years or so... classical growth will solve this faster
1438
1439[8:55] 
1440As for Shor's, the rate of calculation would lead to a 110 or longer solution time when a private key has been exposed.
1441
1442[8:55] 
1443This means that a 20 billion USD system could solve for 3 keys a year.
1444
1445[8:56] 
1446As a consequence, large values could be moved to multiple keys or even to multi sig systems.
1447
1448[8:56] 
1449I have a paper being published in this area. It took time. I needed to study some more physics first.
1450
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1454awemany [8:57 AM] 
1455what is "110 or longer"?
1456
1457vlad2vlad [8:57 AM] 
1458Oh look, Satoshi is here.  Lol
1459 
1460
1461[8:57] 
1462This is getting good
1463
1464newliberty [8:58 AM] 
1465The double hashing resolves most the preimage issues, and one-time use of coins means there is only the window of time from transmission to mining to crack, so had guessed that these were considered from the beginning.
1466
1467csw [8:58 AM] 
1468At a discounted rate of 1 Billion USD a key per annum, the requirement would be that a key would need to have 100 BIT stored and to have a based value of 100 million USD per BTC to make attacking Bitcoin ECDSA keys valid.
1469
1470[8:59] 
1471More, the double hash means that the input to the hash needs to be of a set size. The collision problem allows for scaled solutions.
1472
1473satoshi [8:59 AM] 
1474I am not Satoshi.
1475
1476csw [8:59 AM] 
1477So, if you have a set number of collisions, you find that the possibility of a valid collision diminishes
1478
1479vlad2vlad [9:00 AM] 
1480For crying outloud @satoshi  I thought you were.  Lol
1481
1482jp [9:01 AM] 
1483Can we focus on the technical discussion here?
1484
1485
1486satoshi [9:01 AM] 
1487What is the most productive thing the average user can do to support on-chain scaling?
1488
1489csw [9:01 AM] 
1490There are an estimated infinite number of collisions for any hash, but the size is indeterminate.
1491
1492[9:02] 
1493Satoshi, use bitcoin and call for real solutions. This is not 2 Mb. From 09 to now, systems have increased about 100x
1494
1495
1496[9:02] 
1497In this time, we have not moved from a cap that was set for flood control at all.
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1499freetrader [9:03 AM] 
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1502csw [9:03 AM] 
1503Can I ask people to look at the code comments in the 0.1.0 to 0.1.3 release.
1504
1505joeldalais [9:03 AM] 
1506its where its noted as 'flood control'?
1507
1508csw [9:03 AM] 
1509I think that it was rather clear, but then I have a habbit of losing people
1510
1511[9:04] 
1512Yes.
1513
1514[9:04] 
1515There should always be free TXs
1516
1517
1518joeldalais [9:04 AM] 
1519people seem to gaze over that part and ignore it :disappointed:
1520
1521csw [9:04 AM] 
1522Where the idea of a cap should be is a market decided limit that is not stopped, but sold at value
1523
1524[9:04] 
1525Nobody reads the code comments :disappointed:
1526
1527[9:05] 
1528There was a 100 TB drive released in the last 6 months.
1529
1530[9:06] 
1531This i not a standard laptop addition, but the truth is that we are in a world were exponential scaling is occuring and against that we have a logistic one.
1532
1533awemany [9:06 AM] 
1534csw, tbh, you lost me with the above calculations. why is it '1 billion USD a key *per annum*?".  Ialso do not understand " The collision problem allows for scaled solutions.". I assume that "More, the double hash means that the input to the hash needs to be of a set size." means that the input width is fixed for the 2nd SHA256? Why is that relevant and important?
1535
1536newliberty [9:06 AM] 
1537Storing the full chain costs about 0.001BTC worth of drive today
1538
1539
1540csw [9:07 AM] 
1541Can I assume that people understand the distinction between a logistic and exponential growth system?
1542
1543ajd [9:07 AM] 
1544csw were you on IRC while you were developing Bitcoin?
1545
1546joeldalais [9:07 AM] 
1547i was looking at bandwidth+drive space (costs) some while back, the growth/cost over the last 15 years. It boggles my mind why people think this growth will suddenly stop, there is certainly room now and in the future.
1548
1549csw [9:07 AM] 
1550Shor is not the same as linear classical systems.
1551
1552[9:08] 
1553If you have a 20 Billion USD system, and you can factor 3 keys a year, a basic IRR means you come to a value a little over 1 billion USD for each key.
1554
1555[9:09] 
1556joeldalais, the Intel roadmap is strong for the next 2 decades.
1557
1558
1559tomtomtom7 [9:09 AM] 
1560csw: Sorry if blunt, but could you comment on why you let Gavin vouch for you without going public with proof yourself?
1561
1562csw [9:09 AM] 
1563http://gizmodo.com/5807151/2-nanometer-quantum-transistors-are-the-worlds-smallest
1564Gizmodo
15652-Nanometer Quantum Transistors Are the World's Smallest
1566A team of scientists at Chungbuk National University in South Korea have created a transistor that&#39;s only 2nm in size, which happens to be the smallest in the world. By comparison, the current generation of Intel processors use 32nm transistors. (35kB)
1567
1568[9:10] 
1569Moving goal posts.
1570
1571[9:10] 
1572Tomx3+7, I had never wanted what occured and I had no plans to be an authority. I will not
1573
1574[9:11] 
1575I will be a scammer with ideas that go to market before I become something I detest and people wanted that. They dressed me in a bloody turtle neck!
1576
1577
1578[9:12] 
1579I have NEVER worn a frikin turtle neck in my life. Like I was bloody jobs or something.
1580 
1581
1582[9:12] 
1583I made stupid decisions and I, as all do, have regrets.
1584
1585
1586joeldalais [9:13 AM] 
1587its not that bad decisions are done, but how we act after that matters
1588
1589csw [9:13 AM] 
1590I am not good with people. This is difficult for me now. Vlad and others have pushed me to be here and to be frank it scares the shit out of me
1591
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1593
1594tomtomtom7 [9:14 AM] 
1595thank you csw
1596
1597joeldalais [9:14 AM] 
1598great respect for being here at all :slightly_smiling_face:
1599
1600
1601jp [9:14 AM] 
1602Incompleteness.
1603
1604travin [9:14 AM] 
1605Thanks for that, Craig. It's well-appreciated.
1606
1607joeldalais [9:15 AM] 
1608and for what its worth, i think you're doing fine here
1609
1610csw [9:15 AM] 
1611Ta
1612
1613jp [9:17 AM] 
1614csw: you are better with code and math.
1615
1616csw [9:17 AM] 
1617LOL
1618
1619newliberty [9:23 AM] 
1620Maybe we work up with some worthy competition in the next 7.
1621
1622ajd [9:26 AM] 
1623Have you changed your opinion on multiple implementations and if so why?
1624
1625cypherblock [9:26 AM] 
1626@csw how long did it take the write the original bitcoin source code?
1627
1628csw [9:27 AM] 
1629I am not going to play Satoshi. I am not wanting to have people think I am and I am going to imagine that nobody ever doxx'd me and that I am just some overqualified academic for the moment... ok?
1630
1631tomothy 
1632[9:28 AM] 
1633Oh, what's the new masters you are getting?
1634
1635ajd [9:28 AM] 
1636OK. I'm asking csw that question.
1637
1638jp [9:28 AM] 
1639Csw is just a con artist and an asshole. Move along, nothing to see.
1640
1641
1642csw [9:28 AM] 
1643The code should compete, but what matters is that there is a reference protocol
1644
1645
1646[9:29] 
1647I am completing a MSc right now. It is in financial econometrics
1648
1649
1650[9:29] 
1651Uni of London
1652
1653joeldalais [9:29 AM] 
1654hypothetical question .. do you think it would be possible to link 2 blockchains together via a 2nd layer (that ran the same algo). A 2nd layer that basically just read and fed back data from both chains?
1655
1656csw [9:30 AM] 
1657I have put in a proposal into Cambridge for another PhD in Pure Mathematics this time. I hope to start that in Oct
1658
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1662joeldalais [9:30 AM] 
1663its a good uni, think one of my sisters went there
1664
1665cypherblock [9:30 AM] 
1666any thoughts on recent ext block proposals (or ext blocks in general with ability to move coins back and forth between main and ext)?
1667
1668csw [9:30 AM] 
1669I see issues, but this is not a place to discuss that.
1670There are too many problems with the discussion of complex issues in a few words. I have a few papers and I will be publishing again soon.
1671
1672joeldalais [9:31 AM] 
1673sounds good :slightly_smiling_face:
1674
1675csw [9:31 AM] 
1676People can read and accept or dismiss the arguments that I pose in those papers.
1677
1678cypherblock [9:32 AM] 
1679expected pub date? or too soon to say?
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1685csw [9:33 AM] 
1686Peer review...
1687
1688Pinned by jp 
1689Today at 9:34 AM Pinned by jp
1690[9:34] 
1691Some have been completed... peer review is a difficult mistress. Worse than my wife :slightly_smiling_face:
1692
1693
1694newliberty [9:34 AM] 
1695Peers can be difficult to come by
1696
1697awemany [9:37 AM] 
1698csw, so I am still trying to parse your above comments on using shor to crack a priv key. what I do not understand where the double hash comes in? I only see the single rpemd160 one.
1699
1700csw [9:38 AM] 
1701Sha256
1702
1703tomothy 
1704[9:38 AM] 
1705CSW,  which alt should I buy tomorrow?   (don't hurt me)
1706
1707
1708csw [9:39 AM] 
1709:stuck_out_tongue:
1710
1711
1712jp [9:39 AM] 
1713I guess it is Diem
1714
1715awemany [9:39 AM] 
1716ok, sure, SHA256. but where does that come into play in cracking priv/pub pairs?
1717
1718newliberty [9:39 AM] 
1719Guaranteed it will hurt if you do.  Rumor is we are running out of bitcoins to buy.
1720
1721csw [9:39 AM] 
17222 sec
1723
1724
1725tomothy 
1726[9:41 AM] 
1727On a serious note, thoughts on Monero, or ZEC, similar coins & code (confidential transactions) with regards to anonymity? Is anonymity something you see being brought to bitcoin in the near/far future? I know blockchain analytics have significantly improved and coin taint can be a concern for some. I.e., BTC tumblers essentially no longer working.
1728
1729
1730vlad2vlad [9:41 AM] 
1731@tomothy  Nuggets!!  Buy NUGS if you wanna be rich.
1732
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1735awemany [9:42 AM] 
1736@tomothy : tumblers don't work, why is that?
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1742awemany [9:43 AM] 
1743@tomothy : monero is mostly BTC in constant tumbler mode and seems to be working fine, privacy wise. so I don't see how bitcoin is fundamentally lacking. Now, sure, most people do NOT anonymize their TXN because it is a PITA with the current tools, but I see no reason how BTC is lacking there in principle
1744
1745new messages
1746csw [9:43 AM] 
1747The reality is there is nothing to fear
1748Most importantly, bitcoin uses a double hashing algorithm. The results of this scenario is that any unused bitcoin address will not be reversible to the public key, let alone able to be attacked through a reversal of the ECDSA key pair. Algorithm such as Grover's algorithm (Grover, 1996) are touted as being able to speed up the searching through possible collisions in the reversing of hashing algorithms including SHA-256.
1749This algorithm is known to be at best a solution in BPP ( ), a class of decision problem that is decidable in polynomial time with an error probability bounded by 1/3 (for all inputs). The idea is that this error rate can be minimised or made to be exponentially small in 'k" using a process of iterating the algorithm 'k' times with the most frequent value returned as the result. This process ignores the noise of the quantum computer and reports an error rate based on the ideal system alone. Bennet et al. (1997) demonstrate how an ideal quantum Turning machine cannot find a solution to an NP problem in less than time  . For SHA-256, this is time  and is a far more difficult problem when the true problem, the solution of a bounded size hash to a hash puzzle is introduced. His conclusion was that “Anyone afraid of quantum hash-collision algorithms already has much more to fear from non-quantum hash-collision algorithms”. 
1750More importantly, when Bernstein (2009,  ) analysed the known quantum algorithms he demonstrated conclusively that “all the quantum-collision algorithms in the literature are steps backwards from the non-quantum algorithm of (Oorschot, et al.  ). In other words, any attack on the hash functions of Bitcoin would be more effective using a classical computer.
1751Bitcoin is thus secure against (theoretical) quantum computer attacks against a key that has not been used. Once a transaction is signed and sent to the blockchain, an attacker can extract the public key. This is not a flaw in the algorithm but a standard part of the functioning of ECC and ECDSA based systems. The question is then, what is the cost to an attacker to break the ECDSA key itself?
1752Grover’s algorithm could be said to reduce the bit-security of such primitives by half; one might say that a 256-bit pre-quantum primitive offers only 128-bit security in a post-quantum setting. This is far too large to be broken on any QC any time in the foreseeable future. However, Bitcoin uses the Hash of a Hash. The combination of both SHA256 bit hashes of SHA256 values and the use of a 160Bit RipeMD hash of a SHA256 value for an address makes the analysis of bitcoin addresses to uncover the private key infeasible.
1753Attacking ECDSA with Shor
1754Let us for a moment assume that a working solution to the problem of creating logical qubits on a FTQC that can maintain coherence for long time periods can be achieved. We next need to note that Shor's algorithm is not simple and a Universal QC would need specialised breaks - you cannot just solve ECC in one hit as is suggested by many pundits.
1755The other common fallacy and assumption is that a FTQC will just factor the private key before you can spend. It is more probable that even a 1 million logical qubit FTQC system would likely take weeks or months to break 256 bit ECDSA keys.
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1757On the basis of these numbers, performing a 2048-bit number Shor factorization will take on the order of 110 days and require a system size of 2 × 109 trapped ions.
1758Trapping 2 × 109 ions will require 23 × 23 vacuum chambers occupying an area of ca. 103.5 × 103.5 m2.
1759
1760Pinned by jp
1761[9:44] 
1762Bitcoin Mining.
1763As we noted from Bernstein’s (2009) results, quantum computers are slower at solving hash collision than are algorithms for the deployment on classical systems. Hence, there is no economic benefit for a miner to use Quantum Computers for the solution of hash puzzles as they would solve fewer hashes than a miner on a more traditional ASIC. This excludes the costs of the Quantum computer as well (which is significant) and does not consider the fact that qubits are slower to process than bits (Bernstein, 2009). The result is that a miner who was to deploy a Quantum computer for the mining of Bitcoin (if one was to ever exist in the first place) would be at an economic disadvantage to a miner using more traditional ASIC based systems. 
1764Post-quantum cryptography ( ), a purported non-partisan site for the scientific dissemination of information concerning the effects of quantum computing on cryptography that is heavily used by partisan personalities including Vitalik Buterin, (co-founder of Ethereum) starts with the doom saying prophecy: 
1765“"Imagine that it's fifteen years from now. Somebody announces that he's built a large quantum computer. RSA is dead. DSA is dead. Elliptic curves, hyperelliptic curves, class groups, whatever, dead, dead, dead. So users are going to run around screaming and say 'Oh my God, what do we do?'”
1766This false prophecy is clearly misleadingly designed to read as if it was a quote from Daniel Bernstein’s ( ) analysis. The removal of the line “The New York Times runs a frontpage article reporting that all of the public-key algorithms used to protect the Internet have been broken” changes the context where the author starts by stating, “A closer look reveals, however, that there is no justification for the leap from “quantum computers destroy RSA and DSA and ECDSA” to “quantum computers destroy cryptography.”” 
1767More importantly, no consideration of the costs and time in uncovering a private key has been announced. As Bernstein (2009  ) also demonstrated, the move to alternate hashing algorithms is unwarranted due to theoretical quantum computers even were they to become a reality.
1768
1769
1770So, please never listen to the FUD. Forget ideas such as Lamport Signatures. Bitcoin is as it is for a reason and the reason that these others who worry about science fiction did not create it is the reason we need to maintain it as the protocol was created.
1771
1772[9:44] 
1773Sorry... parts of a paper I am writing.
1774awemany [9:46 AM] 
1775ok, thanks, let me digest that
1776
1777
1778new messages
1779tomothy [9:50 AM] 
1780CSW can you address thoughts regarding privacy concerns on the blockchain and comment on coins that attempt to address some of those issues? I mean, it's recognized that it's a "PUBLIC LEDGER" with "PUBLIC WALLETS" so... but still it's an interesting topic and I just wanted to see your thoughts.
1781
1782[9:51] 
1783Also, someone was wondering what your thoughts were about "vaults". Not sure if you've seen the article. http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/02/26/how-to-implement-secure-bitcoin-vaults/
1784Hacking Distributed
1785How to Implement Secure Bitcoin Vaults
1786We have come up with a simple and elegant technique for implementing hack-proof Bitcoin vaults, to deter Bitcoin thefts. (176kB)
1787
1788csw [9:51 AM] 
1789Threshold signatures.
1790
1791csw [9:52 AM] 
1792The problem with signatures is solvable using set theory. Anyone know about Cantor's use of diagonalism?
17931 reply
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1798klee [9:54 AM] 
1799I am the guy interested for the Vault thing
1800
1801newliberty [9:54 AM] 
1802Infinite sets comparisons
1803
1804klee [9:55 AM] 
1805and also if BitCoin blockchain was made transparent (regarding anonymity, privacy) by design
1806
1807[9:55] 
1808or was the best thought back in the day
1809
1810awemany [9:56 AM] 
1811csw, so I read the above, I see most parts of where you are coming from now and it makes sense. however, the only thing remaining is the double-hashing, which is unclear to me. what does it add in terms of security in terms of QC considerations? Grover's algo will work in sqrt(n) both for a single and a double hash and the double hashing is just a constant factor in time - no?
1812
1813tomothy [9:56 AM] 
1814"jp [3 minutes ago] 
1815csw: had a conversation with Dr. Conway about Cantor
1816
1817tomothy [2 minutes ago] 
1818JP does that have to do with anonymity or storing of txs
1819
1820csw [1 minute ago] 
1821Keys. And there are ways that you can make keys more private as well... but again, too much for slack
1822
1823tomothy 
1824[< 1 minute ago] 
1825Thanks, will repost into slack as threads aren't stored easy."
1826
1827newliberty [9:57 AM] 
1828Surreal numbers, Conway worked on something related.  JP met with him a while back
1829
1830[9:57] 
1831Not sure how it applies though
1832
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1838jp [9:58 AM] 
1839Welcome Ian grigg
1840
1841newliberty [9:59 AM] 
1842This is a rich meal of food for thought
1843
1844csw [9:59 AM] 
1845Hello Ian.
1846
1847iang [9:59 AM] 
1848good morning all
1849
1850
1851jp [10:00 AM] 
1852Our bloody buddy is here Ian.
1853
1854csw [10:00 AM] 
1855In distributed thresholds you have the (n+1) vs (2n+1) issue
1856
1857[10:00] 
1858Sorry, there is not a lot that can be explained in this without maths.
1859
1860newliberty [10:02 AM] 
1861Yes, it gives diagonalism, infinite sets which are not equal
1862
1863vlad2vlad [10:03 AM] 
1864Man, this channel is full of world class talent.
1865
1866
1867tomothy [10:04 AM] 
1868Do you think Grigg has been credited properly?
1869
1870[10:04] 
1871With regards to  triple entry?
1872
1873iang [10:05 AM] 
1874lol.  triple entry is a concept, it’s a bit difficult to just turn around and implement.  A bit like smart contracts.
1875
1876klee [10:05 AM] 
1877https://youtu.be/4GuqlQvFYJo
1878YouTube Bitcoin News TV
1879Craig Wright Interview - Part 1 - 2014 - Satoshi?
1880
1881csw [10:22 AM] 
1882This way, the back office PoS can be distributed for smaller companies
1883
1884[10:22] 
1885Well, actually there are both an infinity of countable and uncountable infinities.
1886
1887[10:22] 
1888It send Cantor mad... literally
1889
1890joeldalais [10:23 AM] 
1891an infinite infinities :slightly_smiling_face: people used to give me weird looks when i used to say that about bitcoin
1892
1893newliberty [10:23 AM] 
1894
1895freetrader: preimaging a hash for a collision with a dataset of unbounded size is a much easier problem than doing so with a fixed size
1896
1897
1898csw [10:23 AM] 
1899NL... not zero, 2 as a maxima
1900
1901
1902awemany [10:23 AM] 
1903csw, I see no aleph1 anywhere? all I see is that sha256^2 reduces from alelph0 to uint256 in the middle between the hashes?
1904
1905freetrader [10:23 AM] 
1906@newliberty : sure, but if anyone has proven that there are 'zero' SHA256 collisions on input size of 256 bits, I'd like to know
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1909csw [10:23 AM] 
1910But, the collisions are infeasible to solve
1911
1912joeldalais [10:23 AM] 
1913i can see a chain of businesses forming to create what you're talking about...
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1918csw [10:25 AM] 
1919Awe.. the Aleph 1 comes from an unbounded set of input functions. That is not the case when a single hash is input to a hash
1920
1921[10:26] 
1922Freetrader. Yes, the maths to prove the reduction is proven and not just by axiomic conditions that are not completely determined.
1923
1924newliberty [10:26 AM] 
1925"Nearly zero" (though I think he misspelled it as neatly zero)
1926
1927awemany [10:26 AM] 
1928where does the unbounded set of input functions come from?
1929 11 replies Last reply today at 10:38 AM View thread
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1931csw [10:27 AM] 
1932In the input to a hash function, the standard calls for a stream. That stream can be of any form
1933
1934newliberty [10:27 AM] 
1935awemany: If there were sha256 not 2sha256
1936
1937awemany [10:28 AM] 
1938csw, right, but the closure of that is just aleph0?
1939
1940csw [10:28 AM] 
1941Yes, or lower when you bound the input
1942
1943[10:29] 
1944A stream is an unbounded set.
1945
1946[10:29] 
1947Note that this is in itself not infinite. That is finite but unbounded. Add to that infinite and the set increases again.
1948
1949[10:30] 
1950Joel... Yes, and in a set of companies and businesses, we create a system that can self regulate and grow.
1951
1952
1953awemany [10:31 AM] 
1954but all the streams I actually can hash appear to be strictly enumerable? it is not like SHA256 works on *infinite* streams?
1955
1956checksum0 [10:31 AM] 
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1959csw [10:32 AM] 
1960SHA256 works on infinite the same way any machine works on infinite... You never halt and hence it is never solved in real time. It is in the conceptual infinite
1961
1962[10:33] 
1963We have a distinction here between an implemented system and a mathematically possible state.
1964
1965awemany [10:33 AM] 
1966ok. fair enough. i can see that now. thanks!
1967
1968joeldalais [10:33 AM] 
1969when i thought that i couldn't have anymore 'epiphany' moments in bitcoin, another occurs :slightly_smiling_face: ty csw
1970
1971
1972csw [10:34 AM] 
1973This is going to get me in so much trouble. I know it.
1974
1975joeldalais [10:34 AM] 
1976:smile:
1977
1978[10:34] 
1979nah, we've been lucky so far, no trolls, its been good sensible talking :slightly_smiling_face:
1980
1981odindillinger [10:35 AM] 
1982joined #general
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1984csw [10:35 AM] 
1985If we now start to look at network propagation models. In epidemic modelling we have giant nodes at the point of decision  between competing epidemics
1986
1987
1988iang [10:35 AM] 
1989r any changes necessary to base protocol to go to coffeechain?
1990
1991jp [10:35 AM] 
1992It is Hidden Markov Chain
1993
1994csw [10:35 AM] 
1995These are able to be made into propagation systems. Routers you may say.
1996
1997[10:35] 
1998Yes, the cap needs to be lifted.
1999
2000
2001iang [10:35 AM] 
2002(I’m not familiar with the argument as to how this is done… just trying to divide and conquer…)
2003
2004[10:36] 
2005Ah, that’s easy.
2006
2007csw [10:36 AM] 
2008https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.cpp#L2249
2009GitHub
2010trottier/original-bitcoin
2011original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
2012 
2013
2014iang [10:36 AM] 
2015:upside_down_face:
2016
2017csw [10:36 AM] 
2018The early code (commented) notes what is needed for flood control
2019
2020awemany [10:37 AM] 
2021csw, ok thanks you cleared this up, I think. to restate to figure out whether I got this: basically, you do the double hashing pretty much to make further analysis of the hash function - if taken as a black box - easier?
2022
2023csw [10:38 AM] 
2024A double hash reduces the input to a hash and makes collisions infeasible
2025
2026[10:38] 
2027MD5, SHA1...
2028
2029[10:38] 
2030All of this goes away when you have a hash of a hash
2031
2032[10:39] 
2033That means that when there is a flaw in the code, the hash function I should say, you end with enough time to migrate away and to another and even those who are left do not have a more than nominal chance of compromise
2034
2035awemany [10:41 AM] 
2036ok, thanks, I think I get the idea now. there's still nothing that proves SHA256 is surjective, however, or is there?
2037
2038iang [10:41 AM] 
2039In late 2000s this was a thing, post Shandong 2004.
2040
2041chritchens [10:41 AM] 
2042joined #general
2043
2044csw [10:41 AM] 
2045No, SHA256 has not been proven in all cases
2046
2047[10:42] 
2048So, there can be a particular SHA256 hash that maps to many 256 bit values
2049
2050csw [10:43 AM] 
2051uploaded this image: image.png
2052  Add Comment
2053
2054csw [10:43 AM] 
2055Wow. This lets me post math images :slightly_smiling_face:
2056
2057[10:44] 
2058So, no, SHA 256 has not been proven surjective... That image above. There are axioms that need to be proven for this to hold
2059
2060ajd [10:44 AM] 
2061from wikipedia?
2062
2063csw [10:44 AM] 
2064Yes :slightly_smiling_face:
2065
2066ajd [10:44 AM] 
2067:smile:
2068
2069csw [10:44 AM] 
2070I could not get it to take Latex
2071
2072csw [10:45 AM] 
2073Can you do latex in this?
20741 reply Today at 10:45 AM View thread
2075
2076awemany [10:45 AM] 
2077so...  that would get worse with double hashing, it potentially reduces the size of the output set. do you have any discussion on that trade-off?
2078
2079csw [10:45 AM] 
2080Not that I can really do justice to here
2081
2082[10:46] 
2083Does this thing have a whiteboard or something similar?
2084
2085wpalczynski [10:46 AM] 
2086joined #general
2087
2088newliberty [10:46 AM] 
2089No whiteboard in slack
2090
2091csw [10:46 AM] 
2092:disappointed:
2093
2094newliberty [10:46 AM] 
2095https://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php
2096codecogs.com
2097Online LaTeX Equation Editor - create, integrate and download
2098HTML LaTeX equation editor that creates graphical equations (gif, png, swf, pdf, emf). Produces code for directly embedding equations into HTML websites, forums or blogs. Images may also be dragged into other applications like Word. Open source and XHTML compliant.
2099
2100wpalczynski [10:47 AM] 
2101hey!!
2102
2103jp [10:47 AM] 
2104You can livestream using 3rd app
2105
2106klee [10:47 AM] 
2107https://github.com/sand500/SlackLateX
2108GitHub
2109sand500/SlackLateX
2110SlackLateX - Bot that posts posts Latex pictures
2111 
2112
2113csw [10:48 AM] 
2114Got those, but no way to draw directly.
2115
2116bicmac1973 [10:49 AM] 
2117joined #general
2118
2119klee [10:50 AM] 
2120Just paste the captioned image (from elsewhere)
2121
2122[10:50] 
2123for me is the fastest way (edited)
2124
2125csw [10:51 AM] 
2126I will but answering on the fly is not so easy in latex :slightly_smiling_face:
2127
2128coinspeak [10:51 AM] 
2129joined #general
2130
2131jp [10:51 AM] 
2132Please consider doing some whiteboard videos in the future.
2133
2134joeldalais [10:52 AM] 
2135there's a paid sketch board thing for slack, but doubt this slack has it :disappointed:
2136
2137csw [10:53 AM] 
2138I have a big electronic whiteboard, but I do not think it has a slack plug
2139
2140
2141tomothy 
2142[10:54 AM] 
2143pretty sure bitsko's sleeping or at work, he mentioned it hours ago :confused:
2144
2145jp [10:54 AM] 
2146New slack ICO - decentralized whiteboard function included
2147
2148tomothy 
2149[10:54 AM] 
2150( I think work) (so can't add functions or change things currently)
2151
2152satoshi [10:54 AM] 
2153Ha!
2154
2155joeldalais [10:54 AM] 
2156https://sketchboard.io/pricing - for future reference (edited)
2157
2158
2159csw [10:55 AM] 
2160Yep
2161
2162[10:55] 
2163Got it
2164
2165[10:55] 
2166I need to run in a moment.
2167Other questions
2168
2169iang [10:56 AM] 
2170Which institutions do you think should emerge?
2171
2172[10:56] 
2173I for one have promoted the idea of Arbitration (complicated I know) … but there are many possibilities. (edited)
2174
2175
2176csw [10:56 AM] 
2177Many, but this is also a market function.  Arbitration is a good one as it is possible to contract law.
2178
2179wings [10:56 AM] 
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2181
2182tomothy 
2183[10:57 AM] 
2184When are you coming back again? :smile:
2185
2186csw [10:57 AM] 
2187That is, you can agree on an arbitrator and make the contract conditional on that role. This then replaces the role of the court and in Rothbardian terms allows for the democratisation of the justice system
2188
2189satoshi [10:57 AM] 
2190Thanks for answering questions Craig.  It went surprisingly well I think.  Amazing what can be accomplished in the absence of trolling.
2191
2192jp [10:58 AM] 
2193LukeJr missed the debate. I pinned Dr. Wright scale comments here. Expect to see Luke Jr reaponse.
2194
2195
2196iang [10:58 AM] 
2197There’s also the possibility of moving direct voting into the system - create an ability for people holding BTC to vote on a proposal.  As the proposal wins some form of majority, it leads the direction on changes.
2198
2199
2200craig_s_wright [10:58 AM] 
2201joined #general
2202
2203
2204megalodon 
2205[10:58 AM] 
2206lol
2207
2208csw [10:58 AM] 
2209I have a doppelganger it seems :slightly_smiling_face:
2210
2211
2212satoshi [10:59 AM] 
2213So many Craigs, so little time.
2214
2215megalodon [10:59 AM] 
2216will the real Craig Wright please stand up
2217
2218craig_s_wright [10:59 AM] 
2219Hi guys
2220
2221new messages
2222checksum0 [10:59 AM] 
2223And cue the trolls...
2224
2225freetrader [10:59 AM] 
2226lesson on identity
2227
2228iang [11:00 AM] 
2229brands are such fun…  everyone should have one
2230
2231tomothy 
2232[11:00 AM] 
2233But seriously, I'm sure there will be some interesting responses to a lot of your comments here today. You've provided a lot of food for thought. If I pester Vlad enough do you think you can make another appearance? :smile:
2234
2235csw [11:00 AM] 
2236Yes.
2237If we keep it civil
2238
2239craig_s_wright [11:00 AM] 
2240congrats on matonis
2241
2242jp [11:00 AM] 
2243Mod here will purge trollers and craig_s_wright
2244
2245csw [11:01 AM] 
2246Thanks Craig :slightly_smiling_face:
2247
2248
2249bicmac1973 [11:01 AM] 
2250hi guys and gals, nice to be here. Let me stress that I am absolutely not craig wright!
2251
2252jesse [11:01 AM] 
2253joined #general
2254
2255csw [11:01 AM] 
2256LOL BicM...
2257
2258craig_s_wright [11:01 AM] 
2259I'm actually a famous craig_s_wright, and I wouldn't mind staying in this chat as craig_s_wright.  nowhere do I claim to be the "real" Craig S Wright
2260
2261csw [11:02 AM] 
2262Well, there are a good number of Craig Wrights :slightly_smiling_face:
2263
2264daniweav [11:02 AM] 
2265joined #general
2266
2267wings [11:02 AM] 
2268be serious guys...talk on topic only plz
2269
2270craig_s_wright [11:02 AM] 
2271I'm going to bid 900 BTC on bitstamp right now
2272
2273iang [11:02 AM] 
2274ok … so here’s a rhetorical.  What innovations post-2009 from the ideas / literature would have been good to put in, if only?
2275
2276daniweav [11:02 AM] 
2277Hello, newbie here. :baby_bottle:
2278
2279[11:02] 
2280Nice to meet you all. :slightly_smiling_face:
2281
2282vlad2vlad [11:03 AM] 
2283@bitsko time to come back!!!
2284
2285csw [11:03 AM] 
2286Another time Ian.
2287
2288iang [11:03 AM] 
2289k
2290
2291tomothy 
2292[11:03 AM] 
2293Alright, well thank you for your time today CSW. I'm sure we can waste your time all day. Hope we get to do this again in a bit.
2294
2295
2296csw [11:03 AM] 
2297I do need to go. Sorry.
2298 
2299
2300joeldalais [11:03 AM] 
2301i'm off for now, was great chatting, a lot of thanks to csw :+1: have a good one all
2302
2303satoshi [11:03 AM] 
2304Bye Craig.  Ignore the trolls and keep working.
2305
2306tomothy 
2307[11:03 AM] 
2308Thanks again for staying as long as you did. Greatly appreciated you sticking around to address all the additional comments.
2309
2310craig_s_wright [11:03 AM] 
2311I can take over for you @csw
2312
2313daniweav [11:03 AM] 
2314So many craig s wrights :dizzy_face:
2315
2316jp [11:03 AM] 
2317Fuck off
2318
2319[11:04] 
2320Where is mod?
2321
2322daniweav [11:04 AM] 
2323I'm very confused... Can someone help me?
2324
2325satoshi [11:04 AM] 
2326csw = Craig
2327
2328tomothy 
2329[11:04 AM] 
2330Bitsko's at work. Please make a pastebin of texts
2331
2332satoshi [11:04 AM] 
2333My pastebin is updated.
2334
2335tomothy 
2336[11:04 AM] 
2337If we play well and are polite maybe we get to do this again another time.
2338
2339[11:04] 
2340Thanks Satoshi. Can you share a link for those that just joined?
2341
2342daniweav [11:04 AM] 
2343Hmm... I'm going to squelch myself and observe. :thinking_face: :bow: please forgive me.
2344
2345tomothy 
2346[11:04 AM] 
2347Do you have the early morning discussion as well? Or evening/afternoon depending on timezone?
2348
2349Pinned by jp 
2350Today at 11:05 AM Pinned by jp
2351satoshi [11:05 AM] 
2352https://pastebin.com/zU6YZWXK
2353Pastebin
2354Craig Wright Q&A on Slack - Pastebin.com (19kB)
2355 
2356
2357awemany [11:05 AM] 
2358thanks!
2359
2360satoshi [11:05 AM] 
2361I'm going back to add discussion prior to csw joining.  I have it in another notepad.
2362
2363awemany [11:06 AM] 
2364and make it an rbtc post. I am really wondering what nullc finds to pick apart
2365
2366tomothy 
2367[11:06 AM] 
2368Alright Vlad, back to throwing mud at one another!
2369
2370vlad2vlad [11:07 AM] 
2371Hahaha.  Awesome
2372
2373[11:07] 
2374All that tech talk.  We can go back to talking about cats and Transylvania
2375
2376[11:07] 
2377The important stuff
2378
2379tomothy 
2380[11:07 AM] 
2381and vampires, so many vampires
2382
2383iang [11:08 AM] 
23842nm ??? f**k
2385
2386craig_s_wright [11:08 AM] 
2387His stuff reads like /r/iamverysmart
2388
2389jp [11:08 AM] 
2390Fuck off craig_s_wright
2391
2392
2393Pinned by jp 
2394Today at 11:08 AM Pinned by jp
2395travin [11:08 AM] 
2396I have also updated my pastebin now - https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
2397Pastebin
2398Craig Wright Q&A btcchat.slack.com - Pastebin.com (19kB)
2399
2400[11:08] 
2401Thanks to @satoshi for doing the same. :slightly_smiling_face:
2402
2403[11:10] 
2404Mine is just the start at 10:00 CEST. With the first question from christopher (edited)
2405
2406satoshi [11:12 AM] 
2407Thanks Travin.
2408
2409
2410craig_s_wright [11:15 AM] 
2411If I say that 1) I am not really Craig S Wright and 2) I don't believe that the real Craig S Wright is Satoshi, can I stay here?  :muscle:
2412
2413tomothy 
2414[11:15 AM] 
2415I think CSW or JP discussed original team members before in pastebin
2416
2417[11:15] 
2418early on in discussion
2419
2420[11:16] 
2421we've got vlad and bruce here so, :smile:
2422
2423[11:17] 
2424:heart:
2425
2426checksum0 [11:17 AM] 
2427@craig_s_wright You saw this conversation was happening by being linked to it so you damn well knew what was going on here and you still decided to sign up with that name and you expect people to not believe you are a goddamn troll?
2428
2429craig_s_wright [11:18 AM] 
2430It is a poorly chosen username, I admit.
2431
2432tomothy 
2433[11:18 AM] 
2434whale, not troll...
2435
2436[11:18] 
2437another pastebin copy
2438
2439[11:18] 
2440https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
2441
2442[11:19] 
2443nm, already posted :smile:
2444
2445bitcoindevotee [11:19 AM] 
2446joined #general
2447
2448prometheus [11:20 AM] 
2449Greetings, everyone! What a wonderful chat session with CSW. Thank you for setting this up @bitsko and @vlad2vlad . I do hope CSW will return for another Q&A. I'd love to hear him answer more questions about the original code and his future vision of BTC.
2450
2451
2452vlad2vlad [11:22 AM] 
2453We'll make it happen - it was too good to not do it again.  :)
2454
2455
2456tomothy 
2457[11:22 AM] 
2458Quick, cat pictures or mud slinging!
2459
2460craig_s_wright [11:22 AM] 
2461Stop listening to Craig S Wright, he is a phony and wants your money.
2462
2463vlad2vlad [11:23 AM] 
2464@bitsko  give me mod power.  I need to smash some trolls.
2465
2466craig_s_wright [11:23 AM] 
2467don't be part of the problem, be part of the answer
2468
2469daniweav [11:34 AM] 
2470The solution* answers can be wrong. :neutral_face:
2471
2472deadsea33 [11:47 AM] 
2473joined #general. Also, @peggy joined, @macsga joined, @satoshi420 joined.
2474
2475macsga [11:55 AM] 
2476greetings
2477
2478
2479[11:57] 
2480all the nice people here
2481
2482alp 
2483[12:01 PM] 
2484how do we know this is real csw?
2485
2486[12:01] 
2487any verification?
2488
2489bitsko [12:01 PM] 
2490Nothing to see here alp
2491
2492tomothy 
2493[12:01 PM] 
2494E-mail linked to his slack, text of discussion.
2495
2496[12:02] 
2497It can't possibly be him. He clearly was just making things up as he went along.
2498
2499[12:02] 
2500I paid my brother to make a fake e-mail address and spought smart sounding stuff.
2501
2502[12:02] 
2503...
2504
2505bitsko [12:02 PM] 
2506:dove_of_peace:
2507
2508tomothy 
2509[12:03 PM] 
2510But maybe it is... (Of course it is!)
2511
2512bitsko [12:03 PM] 
2513:ohyeah:
2514
2515klee [12:03 PM] 
2516:aa:
2517
2518vlad2vlad [12:05 PM] 
2519@alp  ohhh, you missed it
2520
2521[12:05] 
2522Here's the pastebin for you
2523
2524tomothy 
2525[12:06 PM] 
2526no pastebin...
2527
2528[12:06] 
2529probably because it's already been posted? can you redirect link to it or something?
2530
2531macsga [12:06 PM] 
2532https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
2533
2534vlad2vlad [12:06 PM] 
2535https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
2536
2537tomothy 
2538[12:07 PM] 
2539nm :smile:
2540
2541alp 
2542[12:07 PM] 
2543I saw the pastebin
2544
2545[12:07] 
2546havent gone through it all
2547
2548[12:07] 
2549but how was he verified?
2550
2551macsga [12:07 PM] 
2552pretty serious stuff were spoken in there, among those is that who is SN doesn't really matter
2553
2554alp 
2555[12:07 PM] 
2556well csw is a fraud so of course he makes stuff up
2557
2558macsga [12:08 PM] 
2559that's one way to see this
2560
2561alp 
2562[12:08 PM] 
2563who is jp?
2564
2565[12:08] 
2566jvp?
2567
2568macsga [12:08 PM] 
2569the other is to patiently check the text
2570
2571[12:08] 
2572God and Jesus Christ
2573
2574[12:08] 
2575(respectively)
2576
2577norway [12:08 PM] 
2578Homework for @alp
2579
2580macsga [12:08 PM] 
2581does it matter?
2582
2583[12:08] 
2584:slightly_smiling_face:
2585
2586alp 
2587[12:09 PM] 
2588yall get bamboozled?
2589
2590norway [12:09 PM] 
2591Maybe
2592
2593macsga [12:09 PM] 
2594definitely
2595
2596alp 
2597[12:10 PM] 
2598fake fake satoshi pretends to be fake satoshi lol
2599
2600norway [12:10 PM] 
2601Thanks for sharing, @apl
2602
2603tomothy 
2604[12:11 PM] 
2605jvp is new liberty
2606
2607[12:11] 
2608jp john
2609
2610[12:11] 
2611and yeah i'd agree with macsga on characterizations
2612
2613[12:11] 
2614I gave him all my money and got a pin
2615
2616[12:11] 
2617(worth it)
2618
2619alp 
2620[12:11 PM] 
2621ok wasnt sure who john is in that context (edited)
2622
2623tomothy 
2624[12:13 PM] 
2625see pastebin its in there
2626
2627[12:13] 
2628its allllllll in there
2629
2630[12:13] 
2631:slightly_smiling_face:
2632
2633macsga [12:14 PM] 
2634yeah, nice 10m read
2635
2636[12:15] 
2637I'll review it once more once home
2638
2639andrewquentson [12:33 PM] 
2640joined #general
2641
2642andrewquentson [12:39 PM] 
2643"IF you need to do what I say as I am Satoshi and not because of the idea I am presenting, but the nature of my identity, then you are all lost!" why bother telling us all you're satoshi then, instead of, you know, just presenting your work @craig_s_wright @csw @vlad2vlad
2644
2645csw [12:40 PM] 
2646https://medium.com/@MADinMelbourne/welcome-to-the-ministry-of-truth-in-the-wiki-age-601ec28a2504
2647Medium
2648Welcome to the Ministry of Truth in the Wiki Age. – #thewildcard – Medium
2649“Is this really happening?” was tweeted to me yesterday as nChain announced it’s arrival into the Bitcoin scene, bringing with it the…
2650Reading time
2651----------------
26524 min read
2653
2654(461kB)
2655April 17th at 5:36 AM
2656
2657[12:40] 
2658Nothing of the last year was planned.
2659
2660[12:41] 
2661I listened to the wrong ideas and simply where we should be is ignoring and leaving the myth.
2662
2663[12:42] 
2664I had started to present my work. That is when the attacks started and i was not prepared for any of it.
2665
2666[12:43] 
2667I did not expect to have to explain the distinction between a PhD and a professional doctorate and I did not expect to have any of the other fabrications to defend.
2668
2669[12:44] 
2670I have learnt from this. I am saddened that people feel they need an authority and cannot learn and must come to a state where they express an attack as an opinion.
2671
2672Yes, you can have an opinion, but this is not the same as a reasoned argument.
2673
2674andrewquentson [12:45 PM] 
2675Sorry, but your first act was to claim authority by claiming you are Satoshi
2676
2677[12:45] 
2678why?
2679
2680csw [12:45 PM] 
2681No, I was not the one talking in Dec 2015
2682
2683[12:46] 
2684Nor did I make up stories about recommended settings in encryption software
2685
2686iang [12:46 PM] 
2687The events of 2015 - 2016 weren’t really of Craig’s wanting.  The first problem was the attacker and extortionists and various other sundy gossipers… so the writing was on the wall.
2688
2689jp [12:46 PM] 
2690In 2015 we were hacked and blackmailed
2691
2692iang [12:46 PM] 
2693The second problem was the circus team in London that went out of control.
2694
2695
2696andrewquentson [12:47 PM] 
2697Does that include the BBC interview?
2698
2699macsga [12:47 PM] 
2700lol
2701
2702csw [12:47 PM] 
2703I was promised a simple low key interview. No TV camera
2704
2705andrewquentson [12:47 PM] 
2706with the BBC!
2707
2708[12:47] 
2709low key?
2710
2711csw [12:47 PM] 
2712It was not what eventuated
2713
2714iang [12:47 PM] 
2715yes all the events of May 2015 and the big reveal … it actually started around mid 2015.
2716
2717betty [12:48 PM] 
2718joined #general
2719
2720alp 
2721[12:48 PM] 
2722csw can you with a key for me?
2723
2724andrewquentson [12:48 PM] 
2725Alright, can you tell me how it came that Gavin ended up vauching for you?
2726
2727csw [12:48 PM] 
2728I signed the contracts and moved to London 5 months before any of this.
2729
2730[12:49] 
2731A...Q... no. If Gavin does, that is his decision
2732
2733iang [12:49 PM] 
2734Basically it’s as said - CSW was used to add a couple of zeros to the patent portfolio.  Which necessitated the ‘big reveal’ … circus.  Unfortunately, CSW fails at being a pop star.  Who knew…
2735
2736alp 
2737[12:49 PM] 
2738when does Gavin join NChain?
2739
2740[12:49] 
2741How much money did Roger give to nChain?
2742
2743csw [12:49 PM] 
2744The worst thing I can do is play a public role.
2745
2746[12:49] 
2747I have given no money to Roger
2748
2749andrewquentson [12:50 PM] 
2750Well, how more public can you get than Gavin vauching for you
2751
2752iang [12:50 PM] 
2753sounds like business questions - I for one would expect the business team at nChain to deal with them.
2754
2755csw [12:50 PM] 
2756Gavin is semi retired and does not miss the trolling
2757
2758andrewquentson [12:50 PM] 
2759now, my memory might be wrong, but back then I think he publicly wrote saying you or someone related asked him to visit you
2760
2761[12:50] 
2762is that true?
2763
2764csw [12:50 PM] 
2765Related yes.
2766
2767travin [12:50 PM] 
2768Hey Andrew.
2769
2770andrewquentson [12:51 PM] 
2771so you willfully went forward with a ceremony which was meant to prove your identity, why?
2772
2773mrhodl [12:51 PM] 
2774joined #general
2775
2776alp 
2777[12:51 PM] 
2778how much money did roger fund nChain/
2779
2780[12:51] 
2781not that you paid him
2782
2783andrewquentson [12:51 PM] 
2784identity as claimed satoshi that is
2785
2786csw [12:51 PM] 
2787Roger. Nothing
2788
2789beautybubble [12:51 PM] 
2790joined #general
2791
2792csw [12:51 PM] 
2793I believed promises.
2794
2795[12:52] 
2796I was told, one time, and then you can be left alone.
2797
2798andrewquentson [12:52 PM] 
2799I mean, if you want us to just judge you, rather than authority, why engage in an event which tries to claim authority by showing an alleged satoshi owned address signature?
2800
2801csw [12:52 PM] 
2802I agree
2803
2804andrewquentson [12:52 PM] 
2805you agree with what sorry?
2806
2807klee [12:53 PM] 
2808read the pastebin before asking questions already answered DAMNIT
2809
2810csw [12:53 PM] 
2811I agree that was foolish
2812
2813beautybubble [12:53 PM] 
2814Pleased to be here to learn some new things.
2815
2816[12:53] 
2817Thank you for having me.
2818
2819andrewquentson [12:53 PM] 
2820alright
2821
2822travin [12:53 PM] 
2823@andrewquentson -https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
2824Pastebin
2825Craig Wright Q&A btcchat.slack.com - Pastebin.com (19kB)
2826
2827andrewquentson [12:53 PM] 
2828this supercomputer @csw it doesn't exist does it?
2829
2830csw [12:53 PM] 
2831Actually it did
2832
2833tomothy 
2834[12:53 PM] 
2835Yes, Look at yesterdays disclosure from Vlad
2836
2837andrewquentson [12:53 PM] 
2838did?
2839
2840tomothy 
2841[12:53 PM] 
2842He provided all the information concerning the computer
2843
2844csw [12:54 PM] 
2845Did.
2846
2847tomothy 
2848[12:54 PM] 
2849Invoices, receipts, along with significant other information
2850
2851andrewquentson [12:54 PM] 
2852what happened to it?
2853
2854csw [12:54 PM] 
2855I had dealings with people connected to Liberty Reserve and who later ran systems in Panama
2856
2857jp [12:54 PM] 
2858I did the security pen test on it before the public class programming on supercomputer started
2859
2860andrewquentson [12:55 PM] 
2861where was the supercomputer stored/held csw?
2862
2863csw [12:55 PM] 
2864Panama
2865
2866iang [12:55 PM] 
2867Moore’s Law :slightly_smiling_face:  computers do get rather old…
2868
2869macsga [12:55 PM] 
2870like I said several times, I'd put a good use to it :slightly_smiling_face:
2871
2872
2873andrewquentson [12:55 PM] 
2874ok
2875
2876[12:55] 
2877I can see your typing looks fine
2878
2879[12:56] 
2880your background shows, however, you often like to miss-spell words
2881
2882[12:56] 
2883create grammatically messy sentances
2884
2885[12:56] 
2886why?
2887
2888csw [12:56 PM] 
2889I have friends who own more computer power than I do. They simply do not use them to do scientific calculations, they run Poker rooms.
2890 
2891
2892[12:56] 
2893Would you like me to mis-type
2894
2895
2896beautybubble [12:56 PM] 
2897Because I prefer specifics.  Are you speaking of The Panamanian SERVIR center is housed in the City of Knowledge, at CATHALAC.
2898
2899andrewquentson [12:56 PM] 
2900my preferences are completley irrelevant
2901
2902beautybubble [12:56 PM] 
2903Thank you.
2904
2905andrewquentson [12:57 PM] 
2906the document which says you entered into a partnership with the company that provided the supercomputer parts is grammatically unsound
2907
2908[12:57] 
2909your public forum statements are often grammatically unsound
2910
2911[12:57] 
2912why?
2913
2914csw [12:57 PM] 
2915My academic papers are sound.
2916
2917iang [12:57 PM] 
2918wtf?
2919
2920andrewquentson [12:58 PM] 
2921is the miss-spelling intentional?
2922
2923csw [12:58 PM] 
2924:slightly_smiling_face:
2925
2926[12:58] 
2927No more.
2928
2929alp 
2930[12:58 PM] 
2931you angered him andrew
2932
2933[12:58] 
2934the wizard of oz will close the doors on you
2935
2936iang [12:58 PM] 
2937@andrewquentson have you ever usd computers?
2938
2939andrewquentson [12:58 PM] 
2940you're completely free to not answer
2941
2942[12:59] 
2943but that doesn't leave many obvious conclusions
2944
2945freetrader [12:59 PM] 
2946... and did you spell-check your comments above (if not, you should)
2947
2948csw [12:59 PM] 
2949Your assumption is that I created those documents. Even now, I like to work in my own area and remain a curmudgeon, but I am not too far from people.
2950
2951snoop [12:59 PM] 
2952Alp=ass
2953
2954alp 
2955[1:00 PM] 
2956hi poons
2957
2958andrewquentson [1:00 PM] 
2959"When looking at Craig Steven Wright’s background, his seemingly inability to spell stands out immediately. As does his preference for general terms, vague language, and long windedness.
2960
2961Wright’s now deleted Linkedin profile contains 26 A4 sized pages and terms such as “Encryption Techniology” and “continential kitchens”."
2962
2963alp 
2964[1:00 PM] 
2965https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6qPo1zzU7s
2966YouTube doc biz
2967in which Craig Wright says "fuck off"
2968 
2969
2970andrewquentson [1:00 PM] 
2971you didn't write your own linkedin?
2972
2973csw [1:00 PM] 
2974:slightly_smiling_face:
2975
2976alp 
2977[1:00 PM] 
2978fuck off your mother if you want fuck off
2979
2980csw [1:00 PM] 
2981I did not manage much of my social media
2982
2983beautybubble [1:01 PM] 
2984Oh, dear.
2985
2986kp [1:01 PM] 
2987joined #general
2988
2989mrhodl [1:01 PM] 
2990@csw How long were you in a relationship with Michelle?
2991
2992beautybubble [1:01 PM] 
2993Once people calm down we can introduce ourselves and put on the table concerns.  Right?
2994
2995csw [1:01 PM] 
2996Yes, I am angered by people who say that they can reverse ECC private keys (excluding brain wallets)
2997
2998[1:01] 
2999I have never met Seven
3000
3001mrhodl [1:02 PM] 
3002Alright, Who manages your social media account?
3003
3004andrewquentson [1:02 PM] 
3005alright, what's the probability of compromise @csw ?
3006
3007csw [1:02 PM] 
3008A...Q... is this me...
3009
3010mrhodl [1:02 PM] 
3011So you never met Seven, eh?
3012
3013[1:02] 
3014How did you get on that panel?
3015
3016csw [1:02 PM] 
3017No, I was on a panel from London
3018
3019mrhodl [1:02 PM] 
3020Sure, but why did she invite you? (edited)
3021
3022alp 
3023[1:03 PM] 
3024csw's dick is so long it went all the way from london to the us
3025
3026
3027jp [1:03 PM] 
3028I insisted csw not to do it
3029
3030andrewquentson [1:03 PM] 
3031"
3032
3033   “Where a system uses an SMS response with a separate system (such as a web page), the probability that the banking user is compromised and a fraud is committed, P(Compromise), can be calculated as: P(Compromise) = P(C.SMS) x P(C.PIN)
3034
3035   Where: P(C.SMS) is the probability of compromising the SMS function and P(C.PIN) is the compromise of the user authentication method [sic]
3036
3037   The user can be compromised by Trojan apps, poor pins that are pasted to a monitor etc.”
3038
3039mrhodl [1:03 PM] 
3040JP, that's not my question..
3041
3042[1:03] 
3043How was on on there to begin with?
3044
3045andrewquentson [1:03 PM] 
3046I suppose that's you, unless others write under your name in mailing lists too
3047
3048beautybubble [1:03 PM] 
3049I am certain once we get through some of this hostility, we can get on to the bigger, better conversation.
3050
3051csw [1:03 PM] 
3052That is a long story and I do not wish to discuss it. I was not (as is stated) 'fucking' her, we have never been in the same city at the same time to my knowledge
3053
3054beautybubble [1:04 PM] 
3055Please guys try and be civil here.
3056
3057csw [1:04 PM] 
3058ALP... I would like to think so... but I am not that large :wink:
3059 
3060
3061mrhodl [1:04 PM] 
3062long story ..got it
3063
3064alp 
3065[1:04 PM] 
3066why should we be civil beauty?
3067
3068csw [1:04 PM] 
3069A...Q... That was a VERY short part of a very long equation (edited)
3070
3071opet [1:04 PM] 
3072joined #general
3073
3074beautybubble [1:04 PM] 
3075It allows for team work and conversation.
3076
3077alp 
3078[1:05 PM] 
3079team work with a con artist?
3080
3081[1:05] 
3082who gives a fuck
3083
3084mrhodl [1:05 PM] 
3085@csw Does @jp have a picture of you from 2005?
3086
3087andrewquentson [1:05 PM] 
3088@csw what's a Merkel Tree?
3089
3090mrhodl [1:05 PM] 
3091I hear you met at a cypherpunk conference.. he pointed you to a tent?
3092
3093andrewquentson [1:05 PM] 
3094@alp and @mrhodl can you try and not shut down discussion
3095
3096beautybubble [1:05 PM] 
3097I came here to meet a person who I am very interested in and I hope we can work through some of the harder parts.
3098
3099csw [1:05 PM] 
3100MrH... I hope not. But I used to come and go from conferences
3101
3102alp 
3103[1:06 PM] 
3104lol aquent whining about trolling
3105
3106andrewquentson [1:06 PM] 
3107questions are cool, but...
3108
3109alp 
3110[1:06 PM] 
3111pot calling kettle black here
3112
3113mrhodl [1:06 PM] 
3114Andrew, my questions are more relevant... sorry.
3115
3116csw [1:06 PM] 
3117A...Q... A merkle tree... Please ask something difficult.
3118
3119andrewquentson [1:06 PM] 
3120yes yes just relax @alp (edited)
3121
3122
3123mrhodl [1:06 PM] 
3124@jp Do you have that picture?
3125
3126jp [1:06 PM] 
3127I'm not jvp
3128
3129mrhodl [1:06 PM] 
3130Oh, right
3131
3132[1:06] 
3133So who are you?
3134
3135jp [1:06 PM] 
3136John
3137
3138alp 
3139[1:07 PM] 
3140whats your assocation to satoshi dundee
3141
3142jp [1:07 PM] 
3143Fuck off bastatd
3144
3145alp 
3146[1:07 PM] 
3147fluffer?
3148
3149jp [1:07 PM] 
3150Piece of cumbag
3151
3152mrhodl [1:07 PM] 
3153You told Craig not to go on that panel? Why? Who are you to Craig?
3154
3155jp [1:07 PM] 
3156Fluff your fucking mother if you wanna fluff
3157
3158macsga [1:07 PM] 
3159lol
3160
3161satoshi [1:08 PM] 
3162Don't engage or respond to trolling.  Ping bitsko to remove.
3163
3164macsga [1:08 PM] 
3165dat quote
3166
3167coinspeak 
3168[1:08 PM] 
3169If you have doubts that's fine but be civil. If you don't believe then just listen and see if you learn something vs dominate the conversation being a troll.
3170
3171mrhodl [1:08 PM] 
3172@satoshi How is this "trolling"?
3173
3174iang [1:08 PM] 
3175I think it is fair enough if technical and cryptographic questions are asked.
3176
3177
3178satoshi [1:08 PM] 
3179Agreed
3180
3181jp [1:08 PM] 
3182And this is not a fucking interrogation
3183
3184freetrader [1:08 PM] 
3185I believe this slack is an exercise in free speech. We have to accept the unsavory commenters.
3186
3187iang [1:09 PM] 
3188Beyond that, the reality TV questions are probably better off left to some other venue.  Like . reality TV.
3189
3190klee [1:09 PM] 
3191why should we give a flying fuk who Craig fucks?
3192
3193mrhodl [1:09 PM] 
3194CSW is claiming to be Satoshi, yes?
3195
3196jp [1:09 PM] 
3197Craig, I Think you should leave.
3198
3199
3200csw [1:09 PM] 
3201Free speech does not incorporate any speech
3202
3203cypherblock [1:09 PM] 
3204csw is claiming to be csw I think.
3205
3206mrhodl [1:09 PM] 
3207Interesting..
3208
3209satoshi [1:09 PM] 
3210csw = csw
3211
3212csw [1:09 PM] 
3213I believe that I am CSW. I could be mistaken.
3214
3215
3216satoshi [1:09 PM] 
3217LOL
3218
3219klee [1:10 PM] 
3220I am Vinny
32211 reply Today at 1:10 PM View thread
3222
3223mrhodl [1:10 PM] 
3224So you're not claiming to be Satoshi?
3225
3226klee [1:10 PM] 
3227sodl at 1250
3228
3229[1:10] 
3230still waiting for 800
3231
3232iang [1:10 PM] 
3233I’ve got that Who song in my mind… “Who are you?  Who Who?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4
3234YouTube TheWhoVEVO
3235The Who - Who Are You?
3236 
3237
3238csw [1:10 PM] 
3239And Freetrader, no, free speech does not incorporate libel or slander.
3240
3241alp 
3242[1:10 PM] 
3243satoshi: i was told by bitsko this chat room was explicitly for trolling
3244
3245[1:10] 
3246am i mistaken?
3247
3248csw [1:11 PM] 
3249I am stating that Satoshi needs to remain a myth and no more. Nobody in any position should be accounted as an authority for where they are. The ideas they express need to be weighted and viewed individually.
3250
3251megalodon
3252[1:11 PM] 
3253alp can you go back to the dragon's den and reformulate the strategy? starting to get pretty stale and repetitive by this point in time
3254
3255freetrader [1:12 PM] 
3256@csw : what I'm referring to is that bitsko has announced he's unlikely to remove anyone from this slack no matter what they say.
3257libel and slander are dealt with lawfully.
3258That said, it may not be wise to feed trolls more than they can handle. (edited)
3259
3260alp 
3261[1:12 PM] 
3262kek
3263
3264cypherblock [1:12 PM] 
3265@csw do you wish to just become a “regular guy” in the community, who should be judged on his current statements, papers, etc and not on any Satoshi stuff?
3266
3267alp 
3268[1:12 PM] 
3269i figure satoshi dundee's scam is pretty stale and repetitive too
3270
3271opet [1:12 PM] 
3272Speaking of ideas, have you released any additional details regarding nChain's intended solution for scaling?
3273
3274mrhodl [1:12 PM] 
3275:thinking_face:
3276
3277prometheus [1:12 PM] 
3278@csw Thank you for helping to bring Bitcoin to life, and thank you for taking the time to answer our questions. I enjoyed reading Andrew O'Hagan's "The Satoshi Affair" piece. In it, it mentions the name "Satoshi Nakamoto" created from combining "Satoshi" (The Pokemon character Ash in Japanese) and "Nakamoto" (Tominaga Nakamoto being the Japanese merchant philosopher). Is this the correct origin on the moniker?
3279
3280You had incredible forethought to create a pseudonym when creating Bitcoin, and creating the "myth" that resulted. Was this influenced by your academic background in Religion and Mythology?
3281
3282andy [1:13 PM] 
3283joined #general
3284
3285mrhodl [1:13 PM] 
3286Why are you thanking him for bringing bitcoin to life? He's not Satoshi. (edited)
3287
3288csw [1:13 PM] 
3289CypherB... I will not be that. In my case it will be a steeper slope
3290
3291
3292andy [1:13 PM] 
3293Well it's been a lively day already I can see.
3294
3295klee [1:13 PM] 
3296csw time to talk about serious stuff, like your training in Ninjutsu & Wing Chun
3297
3298andrewquentson [1:14 PM] 
3299@csw can you share the e-mail you sent to Adam Back?
3300
3301csw [1:14 PM] 
3302No, I will not release company details. There are people for that and when I talk out of turn, I cause trouble.
3303
3304
3305andrewquentson [1:14 PM] 
3306not sure if that's been made public?
3307
3308andy [1:14 PM] 
3309Thanks for answering questions csw.
3310
3311
3312csw [1:14 PM] 
3313A..Q.. That would not be good iff I was to remain not in a role... That email may come out in time.
3314
3315andrewquentson [1:15 PM] 
3316ok
3317
3318csw [1:15 PM] 
3319It would "not" come from me.
3320
3321andrewquentson [1:15 PM] 
3322what happened after you emailed Adam back in... whenever it was?
3323
3324andy [1:15 PM] 
3325If bitcoin suddenly ended tomorrow, would you support the creation of a new coin or support an existing one?
3326
3327
3328csw [1:15 PM] 
3329If Bitcoin ends, then I am broke :slightly_smiling_face:
3330
3331
3332macsga [1:15 PM] 
3333ME TOO
3334
3335
3336[1:15] 
3337:stuck_out_tongue:
3338
3339jp [1:15 PM] 
3340Me too
3341
3342macsga [1:16 PM] 
3343lol
3344
3345klee [1:16 PM] 
3346no suga mamma?
3347
3348megalodon
3349[1:16 PM] 
3350lol looks like we all really are satoshi then
3351
3352
3353jp [1:16 PM] 
3354No Vegas
3355
3356macsga [1:16 PM] 
3357sugga momma will divorce me
3358
3359klee [1:16 PM] 
3360rekt
3361
3362macsga [1:16 PM] 
3363unless provide sex
3364
3365csw [1:16 PM] 
3366A....Q... Adam (from my understanding) pointed a certain person to Wei. :slightly_smiling_face:
3367
3368jp [1:16 PM] 
3369Vinny rich
3370
3371klee [1:16 PM] 
3372Where's Vinny?
3373
3374mrhodl [1:16 PM] 
3375https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/C555C1FME/p1493918140758518 Why do you say that?
3376csw
3377If Bitcoin ends, then I am broke :slightly_smiling_face:
3378Posted in #generalToday at 1:15 PM
3379
3380macsga [1:17 PM] 
3381Vinny is alp
3382
3383andrewquentson [1:17 PM] 
3384did you speak to wei @csw ?
3385
3386klee [1:17 PM] 
3387We are all Vinny
3388
3389jp [1:17 PM] 
3390Vinnayaan kleecumming
3391
3392
3393andrewquentson [1:17 PM] 
3394speak obvs includes email etc
3395
3396rajsallin [1:17 PM] 
3397joined #general
3398
3399macsga [1:17 PM] 
3400he sodl early and now butthurt
3401
3402csw [1:17 PM] 
340399% of my wealth is in Bitcoin in one way or another. I own no Alts and I have sold most of the property I owned
3404
3405mrhodl [1:17 PM] 
3406@csw Prove it.
3407
3408csw [1:17 PM] 
3409I have talked to Wei in the past, yes.
3410
3411andrewquentson [1:17 PM] 
3412did you speak to wei after speaking to adam @csw ?
3413
3414csw [1:17 PM] 
3415MrH... Prove what?
3416
3417[1:18] 
3418A...Q... No comment
3419
3420jp [1:18 PM] 
3421Keep up with the kardashian is happening, featuring Craig Wright and dragon den ... Ding ding ding.
3422
3423Round 1
3424
3425mrhodl [1:18 PM] 
3426That you are the type of holder you say you are.
3427
3428andy [1:18 PM] 
3429That you'll be broke.  Ignore it.  It's not an assertion that requires proving imo.
3430
3431mrhodl [1:18 PM] 
3432At least sign block 9?
3433
3434klee [1:18 PM] 
3435Plan 9 from Outer Space
3436
3437andrewquentson [1:18 PM] 
3438@csw can you describe what b-money is and how it's similiar or different from bitcoin?
3439
3440[1:18] 
3441this one is a genuine question
3442
3443
3444csw [1:18 PM] 
3445Yes, I can explain b-money
3446
3447alp 
3448[1:19 PM] 
3449uploaded this image: image.png
3450Add Comment
3451
3452andy [1:19 PM] 
3453I'm pretty sure csw has at least a couple of bits if he's CEO of a $300m enterprise looking to dethrone BS.
3454
3455
3456iang [1:19 PM] 
3457Signing things with early keys is not particularly helpful - the keys were moved around several times, and no ‘proof’ is therefore proof.
3458
3459
3460csw [1:19 PM] 
3461Have you read b-money, the concept is sound, but it was not developed
3462
3463mrhodl [1:19 PM] 
3464@csw Will you ever sign any of the early blocks?
3465
3466alp 
3467[1:19 PM] 
3468andy: how is bs ona  throne
3469
3470andrewquentson [1:19 PM] 
3471I'm actually very curious to know how b-money is similiar and different from bitcoin @csw in a sort of high level conceptual manner
3472
3473andy [1:19 PM] 
3474I bet nChain has more BTC holdings that BS does, as they keep their funds in fiat.
3475 
3476
3477macsga [1:19 PM] 
3478@alp VINNY!
3479
3480alp 
3481[1:19 PM] 
3482kek
3483
3484iang [1:19 PM] 
3485I outlined this on Crypto list a year back:  http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2016-May/029323.html  Basically, signing won’t give you the proof-boost you want.
3486
3487alp 
3488[1:19 PM] 
3489you think nchain has any holdings?
3490
3491andy [1:20 PM] 
3492If tons of people have access to early keys then the coins associated would have moved by now, no?
3493
3494csw [1:20 PM] 
3495Part 1 - the paper to discuss.
3496
3497mrhodl [1:20 PM] 
3498@csw Will you ever sign any of the early blocks or are you going to continue bullshitting us?
3499
3500csw [1:20 PM] 
3501I am fascinated by Tim May's crypto-anarchy. Unlike the communities
3502traditionally associated with the word "anarchy", in a crypto-anarchy the
3503government is not temporarily destroyed but permanently forbidden and
3504permanently unnecessary. It's a community where the threat of violence is
3505impotent because violence is impossible, and violence is impossible
3506because its participants cannot be linked to their true names or physical
3507locations.
3508
3509Until now it's not clear, even theoretically, how such a community could
3510operate. A community is defined by the cooperation of its participants,
3511and efficient cooperation requires a medium of exchange (money) and a way
3512to enforce contracts. Traditionally these services have been provided by
3513the government or government sponsored institutions and only to legal
3514entities. In this article I describe a protocol by which these services
3515can be provided to and by untraceable entities.
3516
3517I will actually describe two protocols. The first one is impractical,
3518because it makes heavy use of a synchronous and unjammable anonymous
3519broadcast channel. However it will motivate the second, more practical
3520protocol. In both cases I will assume the existence of an untraceable
3521network, where senders and receivers are identified only by digital
3522pseudonyms (i.e. public keys) and every messages is signed by its sender
3523and encrypted to its receiver.
3524
3525[1:20] 
3526http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt
3527
3528andy [1:21 PM] 
3529I don't think he has to prove anything with regard to SN if he doesn't seek to convince anyone that he's SN.
3530
3531andrewquentson [1:21 PM] 
3532I've read that
3533
3534[1:21] 
3535the question was
3536
3537[1:21] 
3538how is b-money similiar and different from bitcoin?
3539
3540mrhodl [1:21 PM] 
3541But he did claim to be Satoshi?
3542
3543[1:21] 
3544on more than one occasion.
3545
3546csw [1:21 PM] 
3547I know and this is a forum that takes time to answer in
3548
3549
3550jp [1:22 PM] 
3551Hold my beer
3552
3553andy [1:22 PM] 
3554He was at one time forced into a position by former staff.  He initiated but then digressed from the assertion you're trying to get him to reassert.
3555
3556csw [1:22 PM] 
3557Shall I start on the first or the second protocols A...Q...?
3558
3559andrewquentson [1:22 PM] 
3560you can start on the high level differences
3561
3562[1:22] 
3563presumably you can abstract stuff in thought?
3564
3565[1:23] 
3566and distill it
3567
3568csw [1:23 PM] 
3569In b-money, each party has a database, but, unlike in Bitcoin this is not syncronised.
3570
3571andrewquentson [1:23 PM] 
3572then succinctly communicate it
3573
3574csw [1:23 PM] 
3575The issue was the Byzantine Generals problem.
3576
3577[1:24] 
3578Where this was solved is through the use of the gamblers fallacy. In this, we have the attacker under 51% (not 50) playing a game of roulette in effect.
3579
3580[1:24] 
3581As each roll is under the required return, they never expect to win in the long run.
3582
3583andrewquentson [1:25 PM] 
3584yes we know what the general's problem is
3585
3586csw [1:25 PM] 
3587B-money was similar to Adam's hashcash in use
3588
3589[1:26] 
3590It was not in effect capped. The solution was based on a known PoW that set the economic value to be the cost of "mining" the demonstrated calculation.
3591
3592alp 
3593[1:26 PM] 
3594:crocodile:
3595
3596[1:26] 
3597:knife: that's not a knife
3598
3599csw [1:26 PM] 
3600Basically, each entity seeks to mint coins
3601
3602beautybubble [1:26 PM] 
3603Was not that issue covered in a Ripple forum some years ago OR does it remain relevant?  Thank you.
3604
3605csw [1:27 PM] 
3606b-money and the broadcast system was an account based system
3607
3608alp 
3609[1:27 PM] 
3610csw: is mike hearn going to join you?
3611
3612csw [1:27 PM] 
3613I have not been up with Ripple of late sorry.
3614
3615[1:28] 
3616In b-Money (bm from now) the user agrees to send a transaction and complete the work before a time.
3617
3618[1:28] 
3619In this manner, bm is in effect a system that is online and requires the broadcast to be created in a set time window,
3620
3621andy [1:28 PM] 
3622@alp I don't imagine Hearn will return.  The community isn't going to suddenly become nontoxic, even if on-chain scaling happens.
3623
3624beautybubble [1:28 PM] 
3625Thank you for your answer.  Appreciate it.
3626
3627csw [1:29 PM] 
3628The options do allow for a payment in default against an account, but there is little in the form or nature of scripting nor of what could be a smart contract.
3629
3630andrewquentson [1:30 PM] 
3631alright let me narrow down
3632
3633alp 
3634[1:30 PM] 
3635i mean return to nchain not bitcoin
3636
3637andrewquentson [1:30 PM] 
3638wei says b-money has two layers
3639
3640csw [1:30 PM] 
3641SHA1 was proposed in bm. At the time this was still used widely, but faults had developed by 2007
3642
3643andrewquentson [1:30 PM] 
3644lets focus on the base layer
3645
3646[1:30] 
3647he says it's inefficient
3648
3649[1:30] 
3650that's why it needs a second layer
3651
3652danielnyairo [1:30 PM] 
3653joined #general
3654
3655andrewquentson [1:30 PM] 
3656what makes b-money inefficient but bitcoin efficient and therefore not needing a second layer?
3657
3658new messages
3659csw [1:31 PM] 
3660For a start, there are issues with the need for a secure network. Tor even was not really of sufficient quality (edited)
3661
3662ajd [1:31 PM] 
3663I want to know why 50.9% isn't enough.
3664
3665csw [1:32 PM] 
3666Bitcoin allows for offline signing. It also has a separation of the validation function
3667
3668[1:32] 
3669The use of UTXO to mint coin at each transaction(these being in effect destroyed and created a new) allows for the use as cash and not an account
3670
36711:33] 
3672Bitcoin is not and does not require the transaction to be encrypted.
3673
3674andrewquentson [1:33 PM] 
3675what do you mean?
3676
3677[1:33] 
3678encrypted how?
3679
3680csw [1:34 PM] 
3681BTC uses a hashing algorithm and DSS. It is not encrypted.
3682
3683beautybubble [1:35 PM] 
3684May I quote you on that?
3685
3686csw [1:35 PM] 
3687Bm requires that the channel is encrypted. Basically, more than a VPN as the need for an untraceable connection means that attacks can be formed by link analysis
3688
3689[1:35] 
3690BB?
3691
3692beautybubble [1:35 PM] 
3693Yes, on the "BTC uses a hashing algorithm and DSS. It is not encrypted."
3694
3695csw [1:35 PM] 
3696BTC uses a hashing algorithm and DSS. It is not encrypted.?
3697
3698[1:35] 
3699Yes, ECC is not used. EcDSA is.
3700
3701beautybubble [1:36 PM] 
3702Thank you.  Heading to twitter.
3703
3704csw [1:37 PM] 
3705Messages in Bitcoin are singed, but they are also open and can be analysed
3706
3707andrewquentson [1:37 PM] 
3708@csw I'm not sure what you might have discussed with wei, I'm going by the 4-5 para he wrote
3709
3710[1:38] 
3711he seems to be describing bitcoin in great parts, but he says the base layer is inefficient, why isn't bitcoin's? (edited)
3712
3713andy [1:38 PM] 
3714The plural of bitcoin is bitcoin.
3715
3716
3717klee [1:39 PM] 
3718bitscoin?
3719
3720
3721jp [1:40 PM] 
3722Bitcorns
3723
3724csw [1:40 PM] 
3725Bitcoin uses what is in effect a SEIR-c epidemic model. The messages are sent unencrypted but signed and the propagation (should) requires verification prior to forwarding
3726
3727andrewquentson [1:41 PM] 
3728but every node needs to store it
3729
3730[1:41] 
3731and they keep sending each other data, many of it useless, research has found for 8k real blocks some 200k are sent
3732
3733csw [1:41 PM] 
3734Yes. Each node. That can also be a risk decision
3735
3736megalodon
3737[1:41 PM] 
3738@csw What's a Bitcoin? :innocent:
3739
3740csw [1:41 PM] 
3741And a point in time can mean that the verification for some nodes in limited.
3742
3743andy [1:42 PM] 
3744Do you currently mine csw?
3745
3746andrewquentson [1:42 PM] 
3747yes, alright
3748
3749xhiggy [1:42 PM] 
3750Can you explain how bitcoin maps to a SEIR-C epidemic model, and why not an SIR model?
3751
3752andrewquentson [1:42 PM] 
3753how did Adam Back come to your attention before you contacted him @csw?
3754
3755csw [1:42 PM] 
3756And there are methods that can make SEIR network graphs more efficent
3757
3758andrewquentson [1:43 PM] 
3759I don't think google can help you and of course the time it takes to answer is a factor @csw
3760
3761[1:44] 
3762its a very easy question
3763
3764[1:44] 
3765for satoshi
3766
3767[1:44] 
3768or adam back
3769
3770csw [1:44 PM] 
3771LOL
3772
3773[1:45] 
3774And as I said, I am not going to answer Satoshi questions.
3775
3776[1:45] 
3777But a good try.
3778
3779andrewquentson [1:45 PM] 
3780you should answer this one
3781
3782jp [1:45 PM] 
3783Csw is a con artist, move along.
3784
3785andrewquentson [1:45 PM] 
3786its public knoweldge
3787
3788[1:45] 
3789go on
3790
3791csw [1:45 PM] 
3792No, it is what Adam stated and what a few sites such as Gwern's state.
3793
3794jp [1:46 PM] 
3795Cright wraig is not Satoshi, con artist and asshole. Move long guys.
3796
3797andrewquentson [1:46 PM] 
3798stated what?
3799
3800csw [1:46 PM] 
3801Read Gwern's over long post and a few other blogs.
3802
3803[1:46] 
3804And it is not the real answer, but more I will not comment.
3805
3806andrewquentson [1:46 PM] 
3807what does gwern's blog say
3808
3809andy [1:47 PM] 
3810andrewquentson You're still seeking for him to prove something he's acknowledged he isn't seeking to prove.
3811
3812csw [1:47 PM] 
3813That is not too difficult to google AQ
3814
3815ajd [1:47 PM] 
3816Why is 51% the threshold and not 50%?
3817
3818
3819megalodon
3820[1:48 PM] 
3821any estimate on when more details for the SDK nChain is working on will be available?
3822
3823andy [1:48 PM] 
382451% loses over a long enough time.
3825
3826[1:48] 
3827or wins rather
3828
3829[1:48] 
3830derp
3831
3832andrewquentson [1:48 PM] 
3833do you mean this @csw ? https://www.gwern.net/docs/2008-nakamoto
3834gwern.net
3835Dai/Nakamoto emails - Gwern.net
3836Emails between Wei Dai and Satoshi Nakamoto discussing Bitcoin
3837
3838ajd [1:48 PM] 
3839What about 50.9%?
3840
3841andrewquentson [1:48 PM] 
3842so you were googling then!
3843
3844[1:49] 
3845but that doesn't say how adam back came to your attention does it?
3846
3847klee [1:49 PM] 
3848I like Adam's hair
3849
3850
3851csw [1:49 PM] 
3852No A.Q. I was on a private chat with MrHodl
3853
3854klee [1:49 PM] 
3855much beauty
3856
3857csw [1:49 PM] 
385850.00000000001% even
3859
3860andrewquentson [1:50 PM] 
3861can you say how adam back came to your attention @csw?
3862
3863klee [1:50 PM] 
3864such brains
3865
3866beautybubble [1:50 PM] 
3867May I ask... the hostility in this channel is coming from a belief that the SLACK member csw is not Craig Steven Wright, Australian computer scientist and businessman?  So with a very simple question to the member, @csw Are you indeed the person named and described here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Steven_Wright -- Thank you for your kind answer. ~Beauty
3868Wikipedia
3869Craig Steven Wright
3870Craig Steven Wright (born October 1970) is an Australian computer scientist and businessman. He claims to be the real person behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto—the creator of bitcoin—a claim that is disputed within the bitcoin community.
3871
3872iang [1:50 PM] 
387351% is just a convenient way of saying a slight majority.  Like 50% plus a little bit.
3874
3875ajd [1:51 PM] 
3876Okay I thought maybe there was something more to https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/C555C1FME/p1493918661942624
3877csw
3878Where this was solved is through the use of the gamblers fallacy. In this, we have the attacker under 51% (not 50) playing a game of roulette in effect.
3879Posted in #generalToday at 1:24 PM
3880
3881iang [1:51 PM] 
3882The point isn’t so much xx%% but that the algorithm eventually decides one way or the other.
3883
3884alp 
3885[1:51 PM] 
3886@beautybubble : its that csw is a con artist
3887
3888beautybubble [1:51 PM] 
3889I am being patient with the answer.
3890
3891xhiggy [1:51 PM] 
3892Who is he conning?
3893
3894andrewquentson [1:51 PM] 
3895@csw can you say how adam back came to your attention?
3896
3897macsga [1:51 PM] 
3898@alp VINNY, BUY TEH DIPS
3899
3900csw [1:52 PM] 
3901I am the person named here: https://medium.com/@MADinMelbourne/welcome-to-the-ministry-of-truth-in-the-wiki-age-601ec28a2504
3902Medium
3903Welcome to the Ministry of Truth in the Wiki Age. – #thewildcard – Medium
3904“Is this really happening?” was tweeted to me yesterday as nChain announced it’s arrival into the Bitcoin scene, bringing with it the…
3905Reading time
3906----------------
39074 min read
3908
3909(461kB)
3910April 17th at 5:36 AM
3911
3912iang [1:52 PM] 
3913Unfortunately, sadly, people are obsessed with numbers.  Numbers make something seem real.  So we have to put some numbers on the explanation … to make people believe.  See, I used numbers 3 times there, so I’m right.
3914
3915beautybubble [1:52 PM] 
3916Can you be so kind to answer my question too?  Thank you.
3917
3918andy [1:52 PM] 
39193 is a number too.  I believe you now.
3920
3921klee [1:52 PM] 
3922https://twitter.com/VinnyLingham/status/860184952003940352
3923Vinny Lingham @VinnyLingham
39241/ The current price momentum and new highs for Bitcoin has effectively neutered any chance of Segwit being activated on Bitcoin, IMHO.
3925TwitterToday at 1:30 PM
3926 
3927
3928[1:52] 
3929HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
3930
3931[1:52] 
3932I FART FROM LAUGHING
3933
3934[1:52] 
3935POOR MFer!!
3936!!!
3937
3938csw [1:52 PM] 
3939BB. The one on who?
3940
3941beautybubble [1:52 PM] 
3942The wiki page.
3943
3944macsga [1:52 PM] 
3945lol
3946
3947andy [1:53 PM] 
3948Segwit is DOA.  Would you agree csw?
3949
3950csw [1:53 PM] 
3951And I did answer.
3952
3953beautybubble [1:53 PM] 
3954Thank you.
3955
3956csw [1:53 PM] 
3957SegWit is a removal of many of the fundimental aspects of Bitcoin
3958
3959klee [1:54 PM] 
3960VinnyCoin
3961
3962
3963jp [1:54 PM] 
3964Corn will crash to 400.
3965
3966csw [1:54 PM] 
3967This simplistic idea that Transaction = H(TX) is a solution is a demonstration that only settlement matters to some.
3968
3969prometheus [1:54 PM] 
3970@csw are you concerned about any other alt-coins usurping BTC's position? The closest one I can currently see getting close is Ethereum (ETH), but I personally view it as being fundamentally flawed in that the chain is storing and processing all smart contract transactions (bad for storage and scaling) and there's a never ending inflation of the asset (bad for use as a hard currency).
3971
3972Litecoin (LTC) is similar to BTC, in that it's capped, and plans to implement SegWit soon. There's a lot of hype around LTC right now, but I'm unconvinced it's sustainable, unless businesses actually start utilizing SegWit and implementing Lightning (which centralizes the network, in my opinion).
3973
3974Your thoughts?
3975
3976csw [1:54 PM] 
3977I do not follow Alts.
3978
3979
3980andrewquentson [1:55 PM] 
3981@csw I won't ask again. Can you say how Adam Back came to your attention?
3982
3983andy [1:55 PM] 
3984I think people are going to persist in trying to disprove you're Satoshi, regardless of how clearly you state that you do not seek to prove this.
3985
3986csw [1:56 PM] 
3987A...Q... Then stop asking.
3988
3989
3990cypherblock [1:56 PM] 
3991can you say some more about how segwit removes some fundamental aspects?
3992
3993csw [1:56 PM] 
3994Segwit changes the validation layer
3995
3996andrewquentson [1:57 PM] 
3997Well, I did say it was the last time I'd ask, but why won't you say?
3998
3999ajd [1:57 PM] 
4000What do you think about P2SH, then?
4001
4002csw [1:57 PM] 
4003It changes the control from those who mine to a number of "soft" change options.
4004
4005andrewquentson [1:57 PM] 
4006It's public knowledge, although you clearly don't appear aware of it
4007
4008beautybubble [1:57 PM] 
4009May I post an invitation to this SLACK?  Having a chance to ask you serious questions and then learn about your newer ventures I believe would help everyone.  Thank you.
4010
4011alp 
4012[1:57 PM] 
4013andy: csw does quite a fine job disproving it every word he speaks.
4014
4015andrewquentson [1:57 PM] 
4016Satoshi, however, would certainly know
4017
4018csw [1:57 PM] 
4019P2SH was a basket case, but we have it now
4020
4021iang [1:57 PM] 
4022The Transaction = H(TX) thing was something I found pretty critical in my work, and would naturally follow it.  But bitcoin’s UTXO layout is completely different, and it’s non-obvious.  Also the entire published ledger takes away the need to have a hash proof of existence.  Still, it complicates things having multiple valid transactions.
4023
4024alp 
4025[1:57 PM] 
4026he clearly doesnt know the code.
4027
4028andrewquentson [1:57 PM] 
4029as does Adam Back of course
4030
4031iang [1:57 PM] 
4032But I’m guessing this is a whiteboard discussion :disappointed:
4033
4034cypherblock [1:58 PM] 
4035@andrewquentson why are you asking about adam ? He is not trying to prove he is Satoshi right now.
4036
4037ajd [1:58 PM] 
4038Okay you gave the right answer to that one. :slightly_smiling_face:
4039
4040mrhodl [1:58 PM] 
4041@cypherblock *right now* is keyword. He did in the past.
4042
4043andy [1:58 PM] 
4044alp seems to be an expert on who satoshi is based on their statements of the tech.  perhaps csw or someone else could ask alp a question to demonstrate his prowess with knowledge of the protocol?
4045
4046iang [1:58 PM] 
4047Everyone knows Adam Back.  I’ve known him for over 20 years.
4048
4049alp 
4050[1:58 PM] 
4051i do not claim to be satoshi andy
4052
4053[1:59] 
4054I didnt write the code.
4055
4056csw [1:59 PM] 
4057Who wrote the book referenced in the code on triple redundancy?
4058
4059cypherblock [1:59 PM] 
4060@mrhodl maybe maybe not.
4061
4062mrhodl [1:59 PM] 
4063what?
4064
4065[1:59] 
4066What do you mean maybe maybe not?
4067
4068iang [1:59 PM] 
4069Him I don’t know.  But my ex-SO does.  Goes to uni where he was.
4070
4071mrhodl [2:00 PM] 
4072Are you saying he never said he was the creator of bitcoin? @cypherblock
4073
4074iang [2:00 PM] 
4075He’s very old :slightly_smiling_face:
4076
4077klee [2:00 PM] 
4078Atherosclerosis
4079
4080klee [2:00 PM] 
4081uploaded this image: image.png
4082Add Comment
4083
4084
4085andrewquentson [2:02 PM] 
4086You guys here
4087
4088macsga [2:02 PM] 
4089uploaded this image: hear hear
4090Add Comment
4091
4092andrewquentson [2:02 PM] 
4093@cypherblock
4094
4095[2:02] 
4096@iang
4097
4098[2:02] 
4099@jp
4100
4101cypherblock [2:02 PM] 
4102@mrhodl I’m saying he may either have never wanted to prove he was satoshi or maybe changed his mind.
4103
4104andrewquentson [2:02 PM] 
4105@bitsko
4106
4107[2:02] 
4108and the rest
4109
4110[2:02] 
4111you know this guy
4112
4113[2:02] 
4114fucking discraced Gavin?
4115
4116cypherblock [2:02 PM] 
4117yes I know
4118
4119andrewquentson [2:02 PM] 
4120you know he overshadowed the May blockchain coference
4121
4122jp [2:02 PM] 
4123Vegas modafackor, M O O N F I L T H Y
4124
4125iang [2:03 PM] 
4126@andrewquentson can you please stop spamming the channel - you’re not making yourself welcome.
4127
4128andrewquentson [2:03 PM] 
4129when we were to talk about all srots of nice thing
4130
4131[2:03] 
4132It was to be the comming out party
4133
4134[2:03] 
4135you know he is the cause of the commit removal?
4136
4137cypherblock [2:03 PM] 
4138yes I know
4139
4140andrewquentson [2:03 PM] 
4141and now he blabs here
4142
4143jp [2:03 PM] 
4144uploaded this image: e7bb793450426bdf1cb4e79397aea11dea281c31505206ca1bd95fcd3a0404a7.jpg
4145Add Comment
4146
4147jp [2:03 PM] 
41481600 kleenay vincumming
4149
4150macsga [2:03 PM] 
4151@andrewquentson what's your problem exactly?
4152
4153andrewquentson [2:03 PM] 
4154and some big blockers are all yeh maybe
4155
4156[2:03] 
4157sure
4158
4159macsga [2:03 PM] 
4160are you him?
4161
4162andrewquentson [2:03 PM] 
4163maybe the sun falls
4164
4165macsga [2:04 PM] 
4166I don't see Gavin here
4167
4168cypherblock [2:04 PM] 
4169The gavin thing was unfortunate. @csw did you see that as necessary to disrupt authority myths?
4170
4171andrewquentson [2:04 PM] 
4172what authority myths
4173
4174mrhodl [2:04 PM] 
4175lol
4176
4177jp [2:04 PM] 
4178As I said. This slack should be private instead of inviting those like alp and andrew
4179
4180andrewquentson [2:04 PM] 
4181he is claiming the HIGHEST authority
4182
4183macsga [2:04 PM] 
4184alp is Vinny
4185
4186iang [2:04 PM] 
4187Gavin was just caught up in the entire circus.  He wasn’t “intended” he was just roadkill as the community responded.
4188
4189macsga [2:04 PM] 
4190let him here I like him
4191
4192[2:04] 
4193:stuck_out_tongue:
4194
4195jp [2:04 PM] 
4196Find the fucking sentence he said he wanted to be the highest
4197
4198cypherblock [2:04 PM] 
4199satoshi is authority myth.
4200
4201mrhodl [2:05 PM] 
4202I can't believe this but i'm with Andrew Quentson on this
4203
4204andrewquentson [2:05 PM] 
4205there is no myth @cypherblock
4206
4207mrhodl [2:05 PM] 
4208@andrewquentson Wanna try and be friends?
4209
4210jp [2:05 PM] 
4211Go back to your dragon den
4212
4213
4214andrewquentson [2:05 PM] 
4215satoshi is presumed to have brains
4216
4217[2:05] 
4218because of what he achieved
4219
4220mrhodl [2:05 PM] 
4221hahahah
4222
4223andrewquentson [2:05 PM] 
4224smarts
4225
4226alp 
4227[2:05 PM] 
4228lol jp
4229
4230andrewquentson [2:05 PM] 
4231you know
4232
4233alp 
4234[2:05 PM] 
4235jp who the fuck are you anyway
4236
4237andrewquentson [2:05 PM] 
4238intellect
4239
4240iang [2:05 PM] 
4241We understand that you’re trying to create some great copy - but the myth is dead.  SN is no more.  It’s over.
4242
4243
4244andrewquentson [2:05 PM] 
4245thats a useful thing
4246
4247awemany [2:05 PM] 
4248@newliberty , @csw: after some fresh air, i think the "aleph1" argument from above has a gaping hole: there needs to be a clear definition of what SHA256 (or any other hash function) *is* then
4249
4250jp [2:05 PM] 
4251I'm the one fuck your modafacker
4252
4253alp 
4254[2:05 PM] 
4255lol
4256
4257awemany [2:05 PM] 
4258It sounds cool, but I think it does not make sense
4259
4260cryptonaut [2:05 PM] 
4261@andrewquentson it's actually people like you that try to claim Satoshi is "the highest authority". Literally everything csw has said so far has been the opposite
4262
4263alp 
4264[2:06 PM] 
4265so whats the plan after no one buys this?
4266
4267jp [2:06 PM] 
4268I fucking fun in dat hole to create you piece of shit
4269
4270csw [2:06 PM] 
4271I am not claiming authority at all
4272
4273andrewquentson [2:06 PM] 
4274Satoshi is not an "authority"
4275
4276cryptonaut [2:06 PM] 
4277you are claiming he is
4278
4279macsga [2:06 PM] 
4280@alp boobs and BJ buddy
4281
4282andrewquentson [2:06 PM] 
4283thats like calling einstein an "authority"
4284
4285andy [2:06 PM] 
4286agreed
4287
4288mrhodl [2:06 PM] 
4289Yet, you want us to follow your lead? @csw
4290
4291csw [2:06 PM] 
4292No, I want people to think
4293
4294fatman3001 [2:06 PM] 
4295joined #general
4296
4297klee [2:06 PM] 
4298SHORT LTSHIT MFERS
4299
4300mrhodl [2:06 PM] 
4301I'm think you're full of shit.
4302
4303andy [2:06 PM] 
4304good luck with that one csw
4305
4306awemany [2:07 PM] 
4307csw, I see you are here again. Can you explain how you extend SHA256 to infinite data streams for your aleph1 argument?
4308
4309jp [2:07 PM] 
4310@mrhodl  fuck you modafackers. Get the fuck out of here
4311
4312mrhodl [2:07 PM] 
4313jp, eat a dick.. thank you.
4314
4315csw [2:07 PM] 
4316It saddens me, but you may be right Andy
4317
4318beautybubble [2:07 PM] 
4319I see that @charlieshrem is in the channel.  Maybe if he came forward in the conversation we can settle things once and for all.
4320
4321fatman3001 [2:07 PM] 
4322Hi all
4323
4324mrhodl [2:07 PM] 
4325English please
4326
4327charlieshrem [2:08 PM] 
4328Hmm?
4329
4330fatman3001 [2:08 PM] 
4331Hi csw
4332
4333mrhodl [2:08 PM] 
4334Hi Charlie
4335
4336beautybubble [2:08 PM] 
4337Oh, there you are!
4338
4339andy [2:08 PM] 
4340some us think.  the thoughtful ones are the silent types though.
4341
4342charlieshrem [2:08 PM] 
4343HI
4344
4345andy [2:08 PM] 
4346heya charlie
4347
4348beautybubble [2:08 PM] 
4349I think we need your sensible self injected here Charlie.
4350
4351charlieshrem [2:08 PM] 
4352Regarding?
4353
4354beautybubble [2:09 PM] 
4355I guess people are having an issue believing the @csw is indeed himself.
4356
4357jp [2:09 PM] 
4358Why would we need this guy? Core shiller
4359
4360charlieshrem [2:09 PM] 
4361OK
4362
4363[2:09] 
4364I asked him the same question
4365
4366alp 
4367[2:09 PM] 
4368jp seems to be on some kind of drugs
4369
4370[2:09] 
4371its funny when aquent is the voice of reason in a room
4372
4373
4374iang [2:09 PM] 
4375icecream :disappointed:
4376
4377andrewquentson [2:10 PM] 
4378always voice of reason
4379
4380beautybubble [2:10 PM] 
4381And are you satisfied that it is indeed Craig?
4382
4383charlieshrem [2:10 PM] 
4384I can confirm @csw emailed me to verify from 2 emails, @ncrypt.com and @rcjbr.org
4385
4386jp [2:10 PM] 
4387First of all, this is not an investigation nor an interrogation.
4388
4389beautybubble [2:10 PM] 
4390Thank you so much.
4391
4392alp 
4393[2:10 PM] 
4394its whatever we want it to be jp
4395
4396cypherblock [2:11 PM] 
4397@csw that medium post you linked to before doesn’t have any papers you wrote linked. Do you have some papers you’ve written as csw that you could post links to?
4398
4399awemany [2:11 PM] 
4400lets get to some issues: how does the aleph1 SHA256 work? I really like to have input on that, because although it sounds all nice, this one actually is a gaping hole in the above arguments, as far as I can see.
4401
4402csw [2:11 PM] 
4403Not at hand.
4404
4405beautybubble [2:11 PM] 
4406And it is good to have you around.  My prayers for your safe return back home were heard.
4407
4408andy [2:12 PM] 
4409Wow.  B is going parabolic isn't it?
4410
4411jp [2:12 PM] 
44121625
4413
4414cypherblock [2:13 PM] 
4415are there any papers of yours online at all? I really haven’t seen anything academic written by you. Maybe someone else here has links?
4416
4417iang [2:13 PM] 
4418I actually don’t follow that either.  Although SHA256 has infinite input, it is only used with a fixed length.  So in effect we have SHA256bis which has a finite input.  But I’m not a real cryptographer, I just play one on slack.
4419
4420csw [2:13 PM] 
4421AweM... As there is not a means to have a infinite input stream into SHA 256, it remains a discussion that is academic and not one that lends itself to slack
4422
4423awemany [2:14 PM] 
4424we've been discussing that in terms of collisions, and after rethinking it, it doesn't appear to make sense. so I am really curious if you could provide a solid argument on this (edited)
4425
4426iang [2:14 PM] 
4427I miss whiteboards :disappointed:
4428
4429macsga [2:18 PM] 
4430I don't :slightly_smiling_face:
4431
4432fatman3001 [2:19 PM] 
4433apologies to @csw , but I do think it's significant that SN is back (among the living? I assumed he was dead). If I've understood you're trying to create an entity or venue to compete with the ideas promoted by core. BU is such a thing, but a new branch with some well known names and gravitas is significant.
4434
4435macsga [2:19 PM] 
4436Yes, projected value is 11500 USD
4437andy
4438Wow.  B is going parabolic isn't it?
4439Posted in #generalToday at 2:12 PM
4440
4441fatman3001 [2:19 PM] 
4442can someone point me to the short and dirty of what the gameplan is?
4443
4444csw [2:20 PM] 
4445Open competition
4446
4447
4448agreenberg [2:20 PM] 
4449joined #general. Also, @david joined.
4450
4451andrewquentson [2:20 PM] 
4452right
4453
4454csw [2:20 PM] 
4455Capitalism in its purest form and in true libertarian format
4456
4457andrewquentson [2:20 PM] 
4458I guess you're sort of not asking for attention now either.....
4459
4460tomothy 
4461[2:20 PM] 
4462And would segwit impact open competition?
4463
4464andrewquentson [2:20 PM] 
4465welcome @agreenberg
4466
4467wings [2:21 PM] 
4468@csw  but there will be hardfork with Core-btc or not ? (edited)
4469
4470alp 
4471[2:21 PM] 
4472patents and closed source -> open competition lulz
4473 2 replies Last reply today at 2:26 PM View thread
4474
4475andrewquentson [2:21 PM] 
4476I was putting @csw through a test @agreenberg
4477
4478[2:21] 
4479I asked him something which is public knowledge
4480
4481[2:21] 
4482but assumed he wouldn't know
4483
4484[2:21] 
4485the question is simple
4486
4487csw [2:21 PM] 
4488SegWit adds incentives for off chain systems at the expense of the main system.,
4489
4490andrewquentson [2:21 PM] 
4491How did Adam Back come to his attention, and by his I mean Satoshi's of course
4492
4493[2:22] 
4494he hasn't replied
4495
4496[2:22] 
4497with an answer
4498
4499csw [2:22 PM] 
4500And A...Q... desires that I answer things in a manner I do not wish to.
4501
4502andrewquentson [2:22 PM] 
4503no no
4504
4505[2:22] 
4506its public knowledge
4507
4508iang [2:22 PM] 
4509@fatman3001 SN isn’t back.  SN is dead.  What’s happening is that some of the old team are now doing something … more in the public eye.  And no longer caring.
4510 
4511
4512andrewquentson [2:22 PM] 
4513you dont know the answer
4514
4515[2:22] 
4516if you do state it
4517
4518[2:22] 
4519well
4520
4521[2:22] 
4522if you were satoshi
4523
4524tomothy 
4525[2:22 PM] 
4526I think that was covered this morning. Did you read the paste bin?
4527
4528travin [2:22 PM] 
4529Andrew can't read.
4530
4531checksum0 [2:22 PM] 
4532I guess not, reading is hard
4533
4534tomothy 
4535[2:22 PM] 
4536Oh.
4537
4538[2:23] 
4539Talk about a rock and a hard spot then.
4540
4541macsga [2:23 PM] 
4542@andrewquentson he did gave an answer
4543
4544tomothy 
4545[2:23 PM] 
4546You might not like it.
4547
4548fatman3001 [2:23 PM] 
4549_csw [8:20 PM] 
4550Open competition_
4551
4552F*cking brilliant
4553pardon my french
4554
4555snoop [2:23 PM] 
4556Andrew Q does not read
4557
4558andrewquentson [2:23 PM] 
4559he hasn't given the answer
4560
4561[2:23] 
4562if he did, what is it?
4563
4564csw [2:23 PM] 
4565Yes, there seems to be this idea that we can force others to our will in here.
4566
4567macsga [2:23 PM] 
4568@fatman3001 :heart:
4569
4570tomothy 
4571[2:23 PM] 
4572Hasn't given you the answer you want. Awwwwwwww
4573
4574
4575csw [2:24 PM] 
4576That you have a right to an answer of a question that yu decide you want to ask
4577
4578andrewquentson [2:24 PM] 
4579no, he hasn't give the answer
4580
4581[2:24] 
4582the question has one answer
4583
4584tomothy 
4585[2:24 PM] 
4586Well, that's an answer in and of itself.
4587
4588macsga [2:24 PM] 
4589@andrewquentson yes, the one YOU want
4590
4591[2:24] 
4592google it man
4593
4594[2:24] 
4595paste it here
4596
4597jp [2:24 PM] 
4598He is just a retard one.
4599
4600csw [2:24 PM] 
4601Is that it A...Q...? Do you think that you decide who and how ?
4602That you get to force a response?
4603
4604andrewquentson [2:24 PM] 
4605pardon?
4606
4607snoop [2:25 PM] 
4608AQ is an "Authority"
4609
4610
4611tomothy 
4612[2:25 PM] 
4613Do you not read English?
4614
4615klee [2:25 PM] 
4616Andrew try picking up a girl in a bar
4617
4618[2:25] 
4619and leave us alone
4620 
4621
4622jp [2:25 PM] 
4623Retard can't read
4624
4625andrewquentson [2:25 PM] 
4626I simply asked a question
4627
4628[2:25] 
4629you chose to not answer it
4630
4631snoop [2:25 PM] 
4632AQ has hurt feelings.
4633
4634macsga [2:25 PM] 
4635Ok, on with the tech questions; some pretty significant stuff has been said in here today
4636
4637csw [2:25 PM] 
4638In the last year, I have learnt to deal with media better A...Q...
4639
4640You asked, but you offer nothing of value
4641
4642
4643andrewquentson [2:26 PM] 
4644thats like asking a 5 year old whats 1+1
4645
4646alp 
4647[2:26 PM] 
4648they are ganging up on you aquent, seems like you are on the right track.
4649
4650jp [2:26 PM] 
4651Mommy he doesn't answer me. Mommy!!!
4652
4653andrewquentson [2:26 PM] 
4654and they dont provide an answer
4655
4656csw [2:26 PM] 
4657Do you understand value AQ
4658
4659checksum0 [2:26 PM] 
4660OH snap
4661
4662beautybubble [2:26 PM] 
4663I do believe if we all knew a little bit about intention on social networks we would see that @csw is coming to this SLACK with good intention and has a purpose.
4664
4665andrewquentson [2:26 PM] 
4666can I assume they don't know it?
4667
4668[2:26] 
4669maybeeeeeeeeeee you do
4670
4671alp 
4672[2:26 PM] 
4673lol
4674
4675csw [2:26 PM] 
4676Free exchange?
4677
4678snoop [2:26 PM] 
4679Alp = ass
4680
4681andrewquentson [2:26 PM] 
4682but what is my little brain to rationally conclude
4683
4684alp 
4685[2:26 PM] 
4686scammer coming with good purpsose and intent? lol
4687
4688tomothy 
4689[2:26 PM] 
4690Alp just feels left out
4691
4692alp 
4693[2:26 PM] 
4694lol
4695
4696macsga [2:26 PM] 
4697VINNY!
4698
4699klee [2:26 PM] 
4700alp-aca
4701
4702cobra-bitcoin [2:26 PM] 
4703joined #general
4704
4705macsga [2:26 PM] 
4706did you buy the dips in XRP?
4707
4708tomothy 
4709[2:26 PM] 
4710We can throw the ball back and forth. I'll be your daddy, we can play catch.
4711
4712checksum0 [2:26 PM] 
4713Oh my god...
4714
4715snoop [2:27 PM] 
4716Alp=AQ ?
4717
4718checksum0 [2:27 PM] 
4719The trolls are pouring in
4720
4721andrewquentson [2:27 PM] 
4722cute, hi @cobra-bitcoin
4723
4724mrhodl [2:27 PM] 
4725lol
4726
4727tomothy 
4728[2:27 PM] 
4729No, alp = alfonse.
4730
4731andrewquentson [2:27 PM] 
4732how did you become maintainer of bitcoin.org?
4733
4734snoop [2:27 PM] 
4735Null=Alp=AQ
4736
4737cypherblock [2:27 PM] 
4738can someone just post the answer to @andrewquentson question here so we can move on. Not you csw, I mean someone else. (edited)
4739
4740alp 
4741[2:27 PM] 
4742left out of what, an orgy with michele seven?
4743
4744macsga [2:27 PM] 
4745in reality he's NotLambChop
4746
4747csw [2:27 PM] 
4748A...Q..  == Andrew Quentson
4749
4750cobra-bitcoin [2:27 PM] 
4751Hey, more active than I expected in here
4752
4753alp 
4754[2:27 PM] 
4755@cobra-bitcoin welcome its a good time
4756
4757mrhodl [2:27 PM] 
4758Craig in the house.
4759
4760tomothy 
4761[2:27 PM] 
4762Omg is he nlc?
4763
4764alp 
4765[2:27 PM] 
4766craigs groupies are here white knighting and aquent is ripping him a new one
4767
4768checksum0 [2:28 PM] 
4769All we are missing is Greg now I guess...
4770
4771freetrader [2:28 PM] 
4772>A...Q..  == Andrew Quentson
4773fark me, I though it stood for "Answer ... Question"
4774
4775jp [2:28 PM] 
4776Racist ... I'm a black knight lol
4777
4778macsga [2:28 PM] 
4779@alp ma man where have you been all this time
4780
4781csw [2:28 PM] 
4782And now A...Q... wants answers about a site run in 2008 from a VPN line to a Malaysian system owned and operated bu the same people who run Vistomail.
4783
4784travin [2:28 PM] 
4785Call him Aquent
4786
4787andrewquentson [2:28 PM] 
4788THE ANSWER IS KNOWN
4789
4790beautybubble [2:28 PM] 
4791Well, let's deal with it now.
4792
4793mrhodl [2:28 PM] 
4794lol
4795
4796andrewquentson [2:28 PM] 
4797satoshi would defo know it
4798
4799[2:28] 
4800adam back knows it
4801
4802tomothy 
4803[2:29 PM] 
4804Don't answer! Lol!
4805
4806andrewquentson [2:29 PM] 
4807its not even fully private
4808
4809fatman3001 [2:29 PM] 
4810_csw [8:21 PM] 
4811SegWit adds incentives for off chain systems at the expense of the main system.,_
4812
4813This one has been bugging me. I've tried to prod core guys about whether they've looked at the consequences of this and thus far I haven't gotten a good reply. I understand they can code and all, but incentive structures need to be researched by people with an insight into systems and economics. The closest I got to an answer was : "Yes, the incentive structure will change."
4814
4815Other than that I'm sure Segwit is a marble of engineering.
4816
4817andrewquentson [2:29 PM] 
4818its public
4819
4820klee [2:29 PM] 
4821let us all post random shit, it will be more readable
4822
4823mrhodl [2:29 PM] 
4824This is what you're going with Craig?
4825
4826macsga [2:29 PM] 
4827Adam Back is SN
4828
4829[2:29] 
4830invite him here
4831
4832beautybubble [2:29 PM] 
4833You can use search in SLACK and just see one poster.
4834
4835andy [2:29 PM] 
4836AQ he's not seeking to prove he's SN.  How many times does that need stated to you?
4837
4838andrewquentson [2:29 PM] 
4839course he seeking to prove he satoshi
4840
4841[2:29] 
4842he felew gavin there
4843
4844[2:29] 
4845gave him some...
4846
4847csw [2:29 PM] 
4848Fatman3001
4849
4850tomothy 
4851[2:29 PM] 
4852No, read the sarte article
4853
4854andrewquentson [2:29 PM] 
4855and now...
4856
4857macsga [2:29 PM] 
4858@andrewquentson because your word counts ?
4859
4860tomothy 
4861[2:29 PM] 
4862Read his prior responses
4863
4864csw [2:30 PM] 
4865The incentives move from mining to "softer" options allowing for easier chages
4866
4867andrewquentson [2:30 PM] 
4868anyway @agreenberg just thought to let you know, tred as you please
4869
4870cryptonaut [2:30 PM] 
4871@andrewquentson if it's publicly known then how would him repeating it prove anything?
4872
4873[2:30] 
4874seems silly
4875
4876cobra-bitcoin [2:30 PM] 
4877Is this actually Craig lmao?
4878
4879andrewquentson [2:30 PM] 
4880because he cant
4881
4882macsga [2:30 PM] 
4883no, it's not! It's what @andrewquentson wants
4884
4885csw [2:30 PM] 
4886As the answer is not the public one.
4887
4888andrewquentson [2:30 PM] 
4889I mean he has had hours of googling opportunity
4890
4891[2:30] 
4892and still cant......
4893
4894jp [2:30 PM] 
4895Yea. Adam back is SN. Craig is con man. Leave him alone
4896
4897andrewquentson [2:30 PM] 
4898if he could he would have jumped
4899
4900csw [2:30 PM] 
4901Segwit also makes the introduction of protocol change far easier than it should be. This is not simple a slippery slope argument, it means that developers and others who are not invested in the system (and I mean economically invested) can make changes that impact the wider system.
4902
4903andrewquentson [2:30 PM] 
4904like he did saying gewrn's blog is wrong
4905
4906csw [2:31 PM] 
4907Moving TxID = H(Tx, Sig) into TxID = H(Tx) plus Sig makes block validation less likely and extends verification
4908
4909andrewquentson [2:31 PM] 
4910the blog does not even mention it!
4911
4912[2:31] 
4913it says how wei came to satoshis attention
4914
4915[2:31] 
4916but not how adam back.............
4917
4918[2:31] 
4919tsssssssssssssss
4920
4921[2:31] 
4922FAIL
4923
4924iang [2:31 PM] 
4925yeah I get it.  It’s a worry - the Bitcoin governance layer isn’t really set up.  But what would I know.
4926
4927csw [2:31 PM] 
4928LOL A...Q...
4929
4930tomothy 
4931[2:31 PM] 
4932Oh, thoughts on parallel validation?
4933
4934andrewquentson [2:31 PM] 
4935its not a laughing matter sir
4936
4937[2:31] 
4938its a very serious matter
4939
4940tomothy 
4941[2:32 PM] 
4942No. No it isn't
4943
4944travin [2:32 PM] 
4945No, Aquent, can't be serious.
4946
4947macsga [2:32 PM] 
4948@andrewquentson WTaF? stop it man
4949
4950andrewquentson [2:32 PM] 
4951it so is he fucking ruined Gavin and the big blocker movement in 2016
4952
4953csw [2:32 PM] 
4954The code notes (at least in the early days it did) the need to change the threading and have parallelism...
4955
4956andrewquentson [2:32 PM] 
4957with his stunt
4958
4959andy [2:32 PM] 
4960Just say you're not Satoshi so they can stop blowing that trumpet.
4961
4962klee [2:32 PM] 
4963andrew has some anal itching it seems
4964
4965tomothy 
4966[2:32 PM] 
4967Sounds like you feel hurt?
4968
4969[2:33] 
4970Betrayed?
4971
4972jp [2:33 PM] 
4973Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
4974
4975prometheus [2:33 PM] 
4976fascinating to hear that the BTC model follows an epidemic model, like a "virus". I love how much of BTC mimics biology. I definitely noticed the fractal patterns in the BTC price. :slightly_smiling_face:
4977
4978macsga [2:33 PM] 
4979Ch00 Ch00
4980
4981mrhodl [2:33 PM] 
4982If he's not claiming to be satoshi why do we care about anything he says?
4983
4984jp [2:33 PM] 
4985Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
4986
4987[2:33] 
4988Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
4989
4990macsga [2:33 PM] 
4991Who are you again? :stuck_out_tongue:
4992prometheus
4993fascinating to hear that the BTC model follows an epidemic model, like a "virus". I love how much of BTC mimics biology. I definitely noticed the fractal patterns in the BTC price. :slightly_smiling_face:
4994Posted in #generalToday at 2:33 PM
4995 3 replies Last reply today at 2:37 PM View thread
4996
4997jp [2:33 PM] 
4998Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
4999
5000[2:33] 
5001Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
5002
5003cryptonaut [2:33 PM] 
5004lol the craig thing last year was just a footnote in the block size debate, I seriously doubt it changed anything besides entrenching beliefs.
5005
5006jp [2:33 PM] 
5007Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
5008
5009[2:34] 
5010Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
5011
5012mrhodl [2:34 PM] 
5013If he's not claiming to be satoshi why do we care about anything he says?
5014
5015cobra-bitcoin [2:34 PM] 
5016Satoshi is here guys, have some respect lol
5017
5018
5019cryptonaut [2:34 PM] 
5020@mrhodl ask yourself that
5021
5022awemany [2:34 PM] 
5023csw: "The code notes (at least in the early days it did) the need to change the threading and have parallelism..." <- for further understanding, can you point out, where?
5024
5025jp [2:34 PM] 
5026Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
5027
5028Pinned by jp 
5029Today at 2:36 PM Pinned by jp
5030csw [2:34 PM] 
5031Oh, Adam wrote hashcash and it is not used in Bitcoin. Sorry to say that and burst your bubble.
5032  
5033
5034tomothy 
5035[2:34 PM] 
5036LOLLLLL
5037
5038jp [2:34 PM] 
5039Die shitcoin die
5040
5041macsga [2:34 PM] 
5042DIEh
5043
5044jp [2:35 PM] 
5045Vinaayyahhha leecuminggg 800 corn
5046
5047macsga [2:35 PM] 
5048where's Vinny
5049
5050andrewquentson [2:35 PM] 
5051what bubble
5052
5053klee [2:35 PM] 
5054I am here
5055
5056alp 
5057[2:35 PM] 
5058but bitcoin is hashcash with inflation control
5059
5060[2:35] 
5061he was cited by satoshi
5062
5063macsga [2:35 PM] 
5064but but NewLambChop
5065
5066jp [2:35 PM] 
5067I want 800. Where is kleecummingvinanrry?
5068
5069klee [2:35 PM] 
5070shroomskit
5071
5072megalodon
5073[2:35 PM] 
5074Vinny promised 850 and traded alts while I waited in fiat for his prediction to come true
50751 reply Today at 2:37 PM View thread
5076
5077csw [2:35 PM] 
5078Cited. Adam was mentioned as Adam pointed out who to contact Wei
5079 
5080
5081jp [2:35 PM] 
5082Lambo choo choo
5083
5084macsga [2:35 PM] 
5085hahahaha
5086
5087andrewquentson [2:36 PM] 
5088yes csw that's what gwern's blog says
5089
5090jp [2:36 PM] 
5091Short btc now 1600, close at 800. 100x. 20000% profit guysss
5092
5093andrewquentson [2:36 PM] 
5094but how did nakamoto get to contact adam back?
5095
5096csw [2:36 PM] 
5097You do understand that a reference is not a pointer to stat that one is an authority?
5098
5099
5100klee [2:36 PM] 
5101STOP IT!
5102I WANNA SHORT LTC
5103
5104[2:36] 
5105thx
5106
5107andrewquentson [2:36 PM] 
5108should I tell him guys?
5109
5110[2:36] 
5111I'm just worried he'll use it next time
5112
5113csw [2:37 PM] 
5114LOL
5115
5116andrewquentson [2:37 PM] 
5117ITS NOT FUNNY
5118
5119megalodon
5120[2:37 PM] 
5121we're all dying to know...
5122
5123andy [2:37 PM] 
5124LOL
5125
5126jp [2:37 PM] 
5127R3kt
5128
5129megalodon
5130[2:37 PM] 
5131:face_with_rolling_eyes:
5132
5133andrewquentson [2:37 PM] 
5134I mean it might be funny for us, others
5135
5136tomothy 
5137[2:37 PM] 
5138LMFAO@
5139
5140checksum0 [2:37 PM] 
5141IT IS FUNNY AS HELL
5142
5143andrewquentson [2:37 PM] 
5144but
5145
5146jp [2:37 PM] 
5147Short btc now and close at 400.
5148
5149[2:37] 
5150Triple vinanny
5151
5152tomothy 
5153[2:37 PM] 
5154LOLLLLL
5155
5156andrewquentson [2:37 PM] 
5157ITS NOT FUNNY
5158
5159andy [2:37 PM] 
5160HAHA
5161
5162checksum0 [2:37 PM] 
5163IT IS
5164
5165jp [2:37 PM] 
5166100x guys
5167
5168[2:37] 
5169Or 500x Yolo
5170
5171csw [2:37 PM] 
5172NO A...Q.. you are in fact a little funny.
5173
5174tomothy 
5175[2:37 PM] 
5176Please, say it a few more times
5177
5178macsga [2:37 PM] 
5179SHOTR TEH COIZN
5180
5181csw [2:38 PM] 
5182I have not engaged in this before, and I see why so little work is done. (edited)
5183
5184klee [2:38 PM] 
5185SHOTR ALL THE COINZ
5186
5187iang [2:38 PM] 
5188I think it’s a little sad… seeing so much opportunity go to such a waste.
5189
5190
5191andrewquentson [2:38 PM] 
5192really
5193
5194mrhodl [2:38 PM] 
5195Wait, who here believes CSW is Satoshi, raise your :raised_hands:
5196
51972 replies Last reply today at 2:39 PM View thread
5198
5199jp [2:38 PM] 
5200SHOTR Satoshi loll at csw price, close at Adam back profit
5201
5202klee [2:38 PM] 
5203me
5204
5205macsga [2:38 PM] 
5206:raised_hands:
5207
5208megalodon
5209[2:38 PM] 
5210:raised_hand:
5211
5212iang [2:38 PM] 
5213What is belief?
5214
5215cypherblock [2:38 PM] 
5216@andrewquentson doesn’t scronty claim to have brought hashcash into the equation so to speak
5217
5218csw [2:38 PM] 
5219Please don't
5220
5221tomothy 
5222[2:39 PM] 
5223Part of a team of four, yes.
5224
5225nitram [2:39 PM] 
5226joined #general
5227
5228jp [2:39 PM] 
5229Die shitcoin die
5230
5231andrewquentson [2:39 PM] 
5232don't matter @cypherblock
5233
5234klee [2:39 PM] 
5235Make a future contract at BMEX: Is CSW Satoshi?
5236
5237pesa [2:39 PM] 
5238:raised_hands:
5239
5240
5241andrewquentson [2:39 PM] 
5242this guy was given a social test
5243
5244macsga [2:39 PM] 
52451700 in finex
5246
5247csw [2:39 PM] 
5248No, scronty and I did not work together.
5249
5250andrewquentson [2:39 PM] 
5251from public knowledge
5252
5253[2:39] 
5254its an F
5255
5256tomothy 
5257[2:39 PM] 
5258Totally an f
5259
5260jp [2:39 PM] 
5261Tomorrow: hashcash ICO raise 30M USD issued token on ethtard
5262
5263fatman3001 [2:39 PM] 
5264@csw ok, so the integrity of the network is attacked both by steering incentives off course and by softening the ultimate safeguards of the network. I thought this was accounted for somehow. Ugh...
5265
5266andrewquentson [2:39 PM] 
5267the answer doesnt have anything else but x
5268
5269mrhodl [2:39 PM] 
5270:joy::joy:
5271
5272klee [2:40 PM] 
5273POLO REKT
5274
5275andrewquentson [2:40 PM] 
5276I mean I can reveal it but I think he'd prob just use it next time
5277
5278klee [2:40 PM] 
5279IT IS HAPPENING
5280
5281macsga [2:40 PM] 
5282invite Scronty here
5283
5284tomothy 
5285[2:40 PM] 
5286Fatman, it is, that's why it wasn't adopted
5287
5288snoop [2:40 PM] 
5289"STOP LAUGHING AT ME!!!!" - AQ
5290
5291macsga [2:40 PM] 
5292I like his l33t haxx0r site
5293
5294[2:40] 
5295AQ is Scronty?
5296
5297[2:40] 
5298:smile:
5299
5300csw [2:40 PM] 
5301Fatman3001, the weight is set centrally in effect, this removal of market based controls means that a central authority gets to control the payments.
5302
5303
5304cryptonaut [2:40 PM] 
5305@andrewquentson just spit it out already
5306
5307andrewquentson [2:40 PM] 
5308it takes balls tho csw
5309
5310[2:40] 
5311big ones
5312
5313[2:41] 
5314to come in here, with your background
5315
5316csw [2:41 PM] 
5317If you think this through, and note that payment is attributed by a central body, can I ask you to follow the money?
5318
5319
5320andrewquentson [2:41 PM] 
5321and claim you are satoshi nakamoto
5322
5323
5324jp [2:41 PM] 
5325Kleecumming vinaaaayyy longcorn at 850
5326
5327cobra-bitcoin [2:41 PM] 
5328No doubt he has balls that's for sure
5329
5330andrewquentson [2:41 PM] 
5331how did you decide to do just that?
5332
5333csw [2:41 PM] 
5334And what background is that A...Q..
5335
5336beautybubble [2:41 PM] 
5337Well I am ready to read any collaterals on the project.  If you wanted to post them @csw - Thank you.
5338
5339mrhodl [2:41 PM] 
5340Easy to have balls when you have the State backing you up
5341
5342andrewquentson [2:41 PM] 
5343well
5344
5345nitram [2:41 PM] 
5346let's solve this once and for all...
5347
5348jp [2:41 PM] 
5349@cobra-bitcoin  which alts to buy tmrw?
5350
5351andrewquentson [2:41 PM] 
5352there is no evidence of a supercomputer
5353
5354
5355klee [2:41 PM] 
5356@beautybubble your twitter id?
5357
5358cobra-bitcoin [2:41 PM] 
5359Satoshi is it OK if the white paper gets updated?
5360 
5361
5362andrewquentson [2:41 PM] 
5363the ATA sort of wants to talk to you
5364
5365beautybubble [2:41 PM] 
5366Same as this handle.
5367
5368awemany [2:41 PM] 
5369lol
5370
5371andrewquentson [2:42 PM] 
5372you mispell in public forums
5373
5374
5375csw [2:42 PM] 
5376White papers are not updated.
5377
5378
5379nitram [2:42 PM] 
5380@csw do you like rick and morty? that will reveal your true character
5381
5382andrewquentson [2:42 PM] 
5383you have a linked in that lists many degrees which dont exist
5384
5385beautybubble [2:42 PM] 
5386https://twitter.com/BeautyBubble
5387twitter.com
5388Just Find Me...Okay (@BeautyBubble) | Twitter
5389The latest Tweets from Just Find Me...Okay (@BeautyBubble). Donations | Tips | Thank Me w. BTC 1N4XyVTpR84neGC9RmQzjz1fn3mmZSwYcZ. Private
5390 
5391
5392csw [2:42 PM] 
5393Not in the form it is.
5394
5395mrhodl [2:42 PM] 
5396@cobra-bitcoin Yes, it's def time.
5397
5398andrewquentson [2:42 PM] 
5399you dont know how you became aware of Adam back
5400
5401mrhodl [2:42 PM] 
5402What are you waiting for
5403
5404andrewquentson [2:42 PM] 
5405you gave us all a fake signature
5406
5407beautybubble [2:42 PM] 
5408Okay.
5409
5410jp [2:42 PM] 
5411Corn at 850
5412
5413andrewquentson [2:42 PM] 
5414and dunno
5415
5416cobra-bitcoin [2:43 PM] 
5417But it's your paper, it's OK with you if the incorrect stuff gets changed?
5418
5419iang [2:43 PM] 
5420I don’t think of it is a whitepaper, it’s a paper to me.
5421
5422beautybubble [2:43 PM] 
5423FYI.  Twitter always includes your latest pinned tweet to your handle URL.
5424
5425[2:43] 
5426No solicitation meant whatsoever in me posting my handle.
5427
5428klee [2:43 PM] 
5429blackpaper
5430
5431csw [2:43 PM] 
5432I asked you to read a letter from Satre. I see that was more than one could expect
5433
5434klee [2:43 PM] 
5435black pepper
5436
5437[2:43] 
5438PEPPER YOUR ANGUS
5439
5440jp [2:43 PM] 
5441Short the fuck out of polo lolll
5442
5443[2:43] 
54441702
5445
5446tomothy 
5447[2:43 PM] 
5448Aquent see the documents Vlad posted the other day
5449
5450iang [2:44 PM] 
5451see - I told you you needed 2 phones
5452
5453
5454csw [2:44 PM] 
5455And what incorrect stuff?
5456
5457cypherblock [2:44 PM] 
5458@csw I remember you talking a while back about releasing some write up on bitcoin simulations you were running. Did you ever do that?
5459
5460klee [2:44 PM] 
5461signal to noise ratio = ???
5462
5463csw [2:45 PM] 
5464CobraBTC... What is incorrect in the paper?
5465
5466jp [2:45 PM] 
5467Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
5468
5469
5470csw [2:45 PM] 
5471Cypher Block
5472
5473cobra-bitcoin [2:45 PM] 
5474Confirmed definitely not Satoshi, Satoshi never called me "CobraBTC", ew
5475
5476csw [2:45 PM] 
5477These were delayed. Moving to the UK and children...
5478
5479[2:45] 
5480LOL
5481
5482jp [2:45 PM] 
5483Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
5484
5485macsga [2:46 PM] 
5486this troll house is worse than @klee 's
5487
5488jp [2:46 PM] 
5489Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
5490
5491tomothy 
5492[2:46 PM] 
5493Cypherblock can you link text?
5494
5495jp [2:46 PM] 
5496Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
5497
5498fatman3001 [2:46 PM] 
5499@csw @andrewquentson one day we can arrange to have Craig on an episode of "Who do you think you are?" and all this can be settled.
5500
5501klee [2:46 PM] 
5502ltc on gox
5503
5504awemany [2:46 PM] 
5505jp, what's the reason to spam this?
5506
5507cypherblock [2:46 PM] 
5508no, just remember.
5509
5510iang [2:46 PM] 
5511@newliberty can you kick @jp’s phone, it’s broken
5512
5513macsga [2:46 PM] 
5514@tomothy what is text
5515
5516jp [2:46 PM] 
5517Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
5518
5519alp 
5520[2:46 PM] 
5521lol
5522
5523[2:46] 
5524Move along guys.  Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
5525
5526tomothy 
5527[2:46 PM] 
5528Whatever he's asked csw and csw has responded to, answer but no ?
5529
5530awemany [2:46 PM] 
5531@bitsko , please kck jp, there seems to be a problem indeed
5532
5533mrhodl [2:47 PM] 
5534Wait, @csw you have spoken to @cobra-bitcoin , right?
5535
5536alp 
5537[2:47 PM] 
5538you cant kick from the main channel
5539
5540macsga [2:47 PM] 
5541:boot:
5542
5543tomothy 
5544[2:47 PM] 
5545Anti kick slack. Accept the suffering. Like finding Nirvana.
5546
5547jp [2:47 PM] 
5548Lol. Match troll level
5549
5550csw [2:47 PM] 
5551No, I am not confirming certain things. Not in any public manner.
5552
5553[2:47] 
5554:slightly_smiling_face:
5555
5556klee [2:47 PM] 
5557:awesome:
5558
5559freetrader [2:47 PM] 
5560https://bitco.in/forum/threads/general-bitcoin-slack-unaffiliated-unmoderated.2073/
5561says "unmoderated" right there, bitsko just staying true to his word (edited)
5562
5563bitsko [2:47 PM] 
5564Im not kicking anyone guys. I dislike it philosophically. This is we we cant have nice things like scaling.
5565 
5566
5567awemany [2:48 PM] 
5568i was assuming this was a client malfunction
5569
5570alp 
5571[2:48 PM] 
5572will you kick me ifi post horse pr0n?
5573
5574xhiggy [2:48 PM] 
5575Yes
5576
5577beautybubble [2:48 PM] 
5578And un-moderated conversational social network is the ideal!
5579
5580tomothy 
5581[2:48 PM] 
5582Oh. Um.
5583
5584xhiggy [2:48 PM] 
5585I mean, please do
5586
5587jp [2:48 PM] 
5588Now I like you alp
5589
5590mrhodl [2:48 PM] 
5591@csw You're not confirming that you've spoken to @cobra-bitcoin in the past?
5592
5593bitsko [2:48 PM] 
5594You make me sad alp
5595
5596tomothy 
5597[2:48 PM] 
5598Lol
5599
5600luke-jr [2:48 PM] 
5601@mrhodl that could be falsified, so ofc he won't
5602
5603beautybubble [2:48 PM] 
5604Thank you @bitsko for doing your best to keep it that way.
5605
5606mrhodl [2:48 PM] 
5607@csw You're digging yourself a hole here.
5608
5609luke-jr [2:49 PM] 
5610@mrhodl he's already buried
5611
5612mrhodl [2:49 PM] 
5613We have multiple people in this channel that spoken to Satoshi. You can put all of this to rest right now @csw (edited)
5614
5615macsga [2:49 PM] 
5616@luke-jr fork this mofo
5617
5618ajd [2:49 PM] 
5619Happy belated parity day luke-jr
5620
5621macsga [2:49 PM] 
5622die shitcoin - we all jump into SEXWITH
5623
5624cypherblock [2:49 PM] 
5625@mrhodl except he doesn’t want to prove he is satoshi
5626
5627[2:49] 
5628or he can’t
5629
5630klee [2:49 PM] 
5631@luke-jr how is segwit going? hahahhahaha
5632 
5633
5634cypherblock [2:50 PM] 
5635but we cant tell difference
5636
5637cobra-bitcoin [2:50 PM] 
5638Let's just ignore Craig, he's not interesting anymore :disappointed:
5639
5640mrhodl [2:50 PM] 
5641Yeah
5642
5643klee [2:50 PM] 
5644@luke-jr no worries bro, you can still r&d in LTShit!!!
5645
5646macsga [2:50 PM] 
5647KLEE IS HERE
5648
5649ajd [2:50 PM] 
5650Why does it matter if he's Satoshi?
5651
5652tomothy 
5653[2:50 PM] 
5654That's silly. If sn was part of a team of 4 doesn't matter
5655
5656luke-jr [2:50 PM] 
5657@mrhodl already, nobody with a clue takes @csw seriously; his best hope of getting involved is to pretend the whole pretend-Satoshi thing never happened and start contributing for real
5658
5659
5660checksum0 [2:50 PM] 
5661So I guess you can leave then if you don't find the reason you are here interesting anymore...
5662
5663macsga [2:50 PM] 
5664I'm Satoshi bitches deal with it
5665
5666[2:50] 
5667let me forkr it
5668
5669cypherblock [2:50 PM] 
5670well you guys came here to see csw. why come here just to pester him. See what he has to say. it either makes sense or does not.
5671
5672cobra-bitcoin [2:51 PM] 
5673Didn't come here for Craig, wanted to see how active it was in here in general
5674
5675csw [2:51 PM] 
5676Well, I will leave you all. Have fun - I am off to have a t-bone :slightly_smiling_face:
5677 
5678
5679luke-jr [2:51 PM] 
5680@cypherblock I came here cuz I was invited.
5681
5682mrhodl [2:51 PM] 
5683HAhahahahahahahahahahahha
5684
5685tomothy 
5686[2:51 PM] 
5687Do you know of any patents that cover segwit? Can you discuss?
5688
5689fatman3001 [2:51 PM] 
5690bye csw
5691
5692jp [2:51 PM] 
5693Muahahha. Super rare bloody t bone
5694
5695tomothy 
5696[2:51 PM] 
5697Enjoy lunch!
5698
5699cypherblock [2:51 PM] 
5700@cobra-bitcoin @luke-jr your lucky day then :slightly_smiling_face:
5701
5702cobra-bitcoin [2:51 PM] 
5703Bye Craig
5704
5705macsga [2:51 PM] 
5706there he left us all alone with @luke-jr
5707
5708luke-jr [2:51 PM] 
5709@cobra-bitcoin what criteria do you want to see before UASF is allowed on bitcoin.org ?
5710
5711megalodon
5712[2:51 PM] 
5713toodles
5714
5715beautybubble [2:51 PM] 
5716Thank you for time and honesty.
5717
5718klee [2:51 PM] 
5719rip the t-bone
5720
5721cobra-bitcoin [2:52 PM] 
5722UASF will never be allowed on bitcoin.org, bitcoin.org is for bitcoin, not altcoins
5723
5724
5725macsga [2:52 PM] 
5726and WHERE'S VINNY?
5727
5728[2:52] 
5729did he buy teh dip?
5730
5731klee [2:52 PM] 
5732buying shitcoins
5733
5734luke-jr [2:52 PM] 
5735guess I should be asking that on the uasf channel
5736
5737mrhodl [2:52 PM] 
5738Cobra...not *yet* :wink:
5739
5740jp [2:52 PM] 
5741He is sending more coins to his underwater position
5742
5743luke-jr [2:52 PM] 
5744@cobra-bitcoin bitcoin.org is anti-softfork now?
5745
5746freetrader [2:52 PM] 
5747Where can i buy BTU-AsF
5748
5749megalodon
5750[2:52 PM] 
5751so can we all agree that segwit diehards can focus on LTShit and leave bitcoin to the big boys? :sunglasses:
5752
5753klee [2:52 PM] 
5754AMEN
5755
5756macsga [2:53 PM] 
5757yeah
5758
5759luke-jr [2:53 PM] 
5760@megalodon I'd sooner make a new altcoin
5761
5762macsga [2:53 PM] 
5763LTC IZ DA FUTURZ
5764
5765beautybubble [2:53 PM] 
5766I will be on the #random channel.
5767
5768megalodon
5769[2:53 PM] 
5770oh you mean UASF ?
5771
5772mrhodl [2:53 PM] 
5773@luke-jr @cobra-bitcoin Not here.
5774
5775cobra-bitcoin [2:53 PM] 
5776@luke-jr bitcoin.org is against hostile takeover of the network unless it has overwhelmbing consensus
5777
5778klee [2:53 PM] 
5779LTC-jr?
5780
5781
5782jp [2:53 PM] 
5783Corn just crash to 400 and quickly crashing more.
5784
5785megalodon
5786[2:53 PM] 
5787because tahts what that would be, an alt coin
5788
5789macsga [2:54 PM] 
5790DIE SHITCOIN
5791
5792[2:54] 
5793buy all alts dips boys
5794
5795luke-jr [2:54 PM] 
5796@cobra-bitcoin so the question is, what criteria do you use to determine overwhelming consensus?
5797
5798macsga [2:54 PM] 
5799sorry, wrong window, I thought I was typing that in FONTASS slack
5800
5801cobra-bitcoin [2:55 PM] 
5802@luke-jr All the stakeholders agree, so almost all the miners, users, developers, overall economy, etc
5803
5804jp [2:55 PM] 
5805You have been fontasssed
5806
5807klee [2:55 PM] 
5808Vinnied
5809
5810luke-jr [2:55 PM] 
5811@cobra-bitcoin and segwit doesn't have that?
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5814jp [2:55 PM] 
5815Yayayyayanayyvinnay
5816
5817bitsko [2:55 PM] 
5818Now i worry we will run out of free 10000 before i get home lol thanks trolls
5819
5820andy [2:55 PM] 
5821This is the weirdest day ever.
5822 
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5824checksum0 [2:56 PM] 
5825I guess this slack became bitcoin.org slack using the free 10000
5826
5827cobra-bitcoin [2:56 PM] 
5828@luke-jr Nope, a lot of miners are against segwit, and lots of users too unless it comes with a block size increase, so it should never be pushed through as a UASF
5829
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5831macsga [2:56 PM] 
5832@bitsko we know this, managed to troll everyone in klee's slack within 2days
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5834luke-jr [2:56 PM] 
5835@cobra-bitcoin it does come with a block size increase..
5836
5837wings [2:57 PM] 
5838@klee how is XOF doing ? :stuck_out_tongue:
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5841cypherblock [2:57 PM] 
5842@cobra-bitcoin “all the stakeholders” all is a pretty strong criteria.
5843
5844luke-jr [2:57 PM] 
5845@cobra-bitcoin there's only like 2 miners opposed, and pretty few users
5846
5847fatman3001 [2:57 PM] 
5848@andy _"This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone."_
5849
5850mrhodl [2:57 PM] 
5851Miners? Here i thought it was just asic manufacturer.
5852
5853cobra-bitcoin [2:57 PM] 
5854@luke-jr People don't feel that it does enough
5855
5856megalodon
5857[2:57 PM] 
5858ay fatman come back to klee's slack :stuck_out_tongue:
5859
5860new messages
5861macsga [2:57 PM] 
5862yeah we missed you black cat
5863
5864luke-jr [2:57 PM] 
5865@cobra-bitcoin I don't get that impression at all. Everyone seems to want it except trolls.
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5868fatman3001 [2:57 PM] 
5869@megalodon I never left
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5871mrhodl [2:57 PM] 
5872What does "feelings" have anything to do with it?
5873
5874macsga [2:58 PM] 
5875we have none to troll and we troll each other
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5877mrhodl [2:58 PM] 
5878It's either a blocksize increase or it's not.