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1[Holed up in my study with a cold, can't be bothered to do something as useless as protesting on the streets.](https://imgur.com/q6dmT4a)
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5Our government and media doesn't peddle bigoted narratives about India that makes us hold them all responsible for the crimes of a few. 
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7It's the same reason why India doesn't feature at all in our election cycle, meanwhile Pakistan is a focal point for them.  18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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9Don't worry the west can't afford to police KSA either, they have to do the same arse licking.  18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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11Unfortunately there is no appetite for separatism in Azad Kashmir. Azad Kashmiri's wouldn't accept any such deal as they are already heavily advocating to be given provincial status in Pakistan. 
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13The British had similar hubris as the Indian establishment, we all know how that turned out.  18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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15Last I checked Bangladeshis gained independence and stayed in their homeland, so yeah I guess you are right Kashmiris should do the same as well.  18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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17>South India's population is decreasing and will get its parliamentary seats reduced by 2026 due to that.
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19It's sad how implementing good policy actually hinders your political influence. I guess one of the many short comings of democracy where a lot of power is vested into the central government. That was one of the major reasons Jinnah wanted to establish a Federalist state. (We fucked this up with constant military coups btw) I'm sure as a South Indian you would be very familiar with how even just cultural hegemony can be disadvantageous to a group that doesn't fit the majority demographic. 
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21>Its just BJP being BJP, it seems like they're planning to win the general elections by fanning the Post-Partition/Anti-Pakistan embers in North India.
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23I guess after how his party fared in the most recent elections this was the only play he had up his sleeve. A populist only knows how to rile his base against a common enemy. 18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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25In Pakistan the topic of forced disappearances and retribution for the Armies over handedness in the tribal areas and Balochistan is front and center, it is on the governments agenda and part of the contemporary political debate. Hell the Prime Minister has even given speeches regretting the role of Pakistan in the Bangladesh war for independence on national TV.
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28Please don't try to equate your regressive political climate with ours, no one in India has the balls to critisize your armed forces. There is no political will in India to hold itself responsible for it's war crimes. 
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31Kulbushan also entered through Iran, at the least they turn a blind eye to Indian incursion into Pakistani territory.    18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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33Iran really needs to get its act together vis a vis Pakistan, them going along with India’s political stunts doesn’t bode well for them. 18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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35Post the official highlights. 18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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37Yea it was, I complained about it last PSL but after modding a sub I realized nothing can be done about it so I stopped complaining. 18 2 2019 Cricket 1
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39This is so hilariously misguided.
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41You are insulting people who had to live through fascist regimes with your hysteria. 18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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43Hey perhaps you guys should do more in terms trying to influence your national politics.
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45Your country is descending into hysteria and I'm afraid its you guys who have the most to lose considering you bring in most of the investment with your healthy HDI.
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47This is why Jinnah was so against a centralized government, South India really has developmental markers that could catapult it into great heights but it's held back by the rest of India. 18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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49Sheikh Rasheed is a national treasure.  18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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51Oh cool! How did you find that out? 18 2 2019 pakistan 1
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53I guess I was wrong, I was just going off what someone else said in this thread cause I don't really visit this sub much.  17 2 2019 ABCDesis 1
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55Didn’t some other user say that sana account was a mod? 
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57You should ideally have mods that represent all viewpoints of South Asian identities.
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59Look at this thread how Muslims, Christians, and Sikhs were harassed by these very active and popular fake accounts in this sub. 17 2 2019 ABCDesis 1
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61Can you guys have an actual Pakistani mod now, one that isn’t an obvious right wing Indian dude pretending to be a Pakistani girl.
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63K thnx, bye. 17 2 2019 ABCDesis 1
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65/> wishes for better relations
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68/> claims it's all one sides fault
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74In terms of trade that is negligible, Pakistan and India are not very interdependent economically.  17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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76Man you can't talk about these things on r/cricket, try to read the room.  17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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78My point was this doesn't really move the needle for anyone in Pakistan, this is more for domestic point scoring. 
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80As you said PCB will find backup easily.  17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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82Yeah, Pakistan doesn't trade with India for this very reason. Not to mention these things are happening before any investigation. lol 17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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84Not really pouring is it, if anything it's more cutting off your nose to spite the face. 17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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86Lots of fast bowlers vying for that World Cup spot, who do you guys think should make the squad? 
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88Even Hasan Ali and Amir are bowling well now, Shaheen has been brilliant since making debut but a couple of these new guys are making a case for themselves. 17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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90I love it for how much it riles people up. lol
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92Also, these kinds of celebrations get kids really interested in the game, I remember how crazy I was about Shoaib's condor. I'm sure many the time thought it was crass and childish.  17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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94Sikhs in the Indian Armed forces also aided and abetted the 1984 genocide. Just because I don't tow the anti-Pakistan bs doesn't make me less Sikh than you. My only obligation is to seek truth as the Guru instructed us. 
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96[Also you can put the jury to rest mate.](https://imgur.com/7NLoa9j) 17 2 2019 ABCDesis 1
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98Not related to r/Pakistan. 17 2 2019 pakistan 1
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100When this guy makes a feature film I'll be the first to buy a ticket to see it.  17 2 2019 pakistan 1
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102Ufff Hasan Ali, I hope he gets his mojo back for the WC. We need those middle over wickets. 17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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104Because I'm Pakistani. lol 
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106Used to bother me but now I think it's funny.  17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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108Damn Gladiators already off to a strong start. Hopefully we don't choke in the finals again. 17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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110Mobile. 17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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112Cricinfo is basically unusable because they redirect to ad pages in the app despite being funded by ESPN. 17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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114As a Sikh who has lived in India I know first hand how brutal the India armed forces are against minority groups. How systematic the abuses are and how the lack of justice coupled together with the complete lack of condemnation from the general public makes one feel helpless. 
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116Kashmir, like Punjab, has seen grave human right abuses. Mass graves, widespread rapes of women, suppressing communication, torture, all of these things are done to break the backs of people into submitting to the majority. 
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118https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-41268906
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120http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2017/feb/02/595-rape-cases-in-jammu-and-kashmir-in-2-years-1566266.html
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122http://www.milligazette.com/news/7188-1336-rape-cases-in-kashmir-in-seven-years-conviction-rate-woefully-low
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124https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rita-pal/rape-in-kashmir_b_3372513.html
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126The attacker was born in the Indian side of Kashmir and was radicalized after being beaten up by the army personal stationed there. This attack is most likely born out of the brutal occupation but India and Indians don't have the political maturity for self-reflection.
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128Even years after the genocide of 1984 most Indians still don't have the capacity to see the failure of their governments and would rather just believe all Sikhs who have grievances with the state and Pakistani agents. 
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130It's much easier to find a one-dimensional boogeyman to blame for all your trou 17 2 2019 ABCDesis 1
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132Serious question, Asif Ali vs Umar Akmal.
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134Which one of these is the lesser of two evils? 17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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136Hey can I have that twitch stream? 
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138I have willow TV but I can't be arsed to get out of bed and go to the living room right now. lol 17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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140Cricingif is better anyways, at least they are innovating in this space and not just looking for ways to autoplay videos to max out on ad revenue.  17 2 2019 Cricket 1
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142Read Jinnah's 14 points and then compare and contrast that with the Nehru Report.
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144The Indian National Congress party's complete lack of willingness to even have a debate on any of these very fundamental *political* differences was the reason a big proponent of a united South Asia like Jinnah vowed for the creation of a separate state for the Muslims of South Asia. 17 2 2019 pakistan 1
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146Damn, that was a detailed explanation! Appreciate it brudder. 17 2 2019 pakistan 1
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148Man that song is dope af! Since you know about instruments, whats the difference between that and a sarangi? 16 2 2019 pakistan 1
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150Pakistan has meddled in Kashmir in the past but even Indian analysts largely agree that the current uprising in Kashmir is totally indigenous. The identified attacker was born where this attack took place, in Indian administered Kashmir. Secondly, just the logistics of getting the amount of explosives that have been reported across the most militarized border in the world would be ridiculously difficult if not impossible.
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152India has a habit of blaming ISI for a lot of things, just like Pakistanis have a propensity of doing so with various other intelligence agencies. But I would be foolish to blame RAW for spreading discontent in Pakistan, as that is literally their job, I would rather hold my government responsible for creating the environment for their designs to prosper. 
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154Despite all the secrecy ISI still works for the interests of Pakistan, it does not benefit Pakistan in any way to be involved in a conflict with India right when it is finally getting out of a decades-long internal conflict and looking to dedicate all resources for economic growth. The ISI/Army/whatever will cease to exist if we don't get our house in order.  16 2 2019 pakistan 1
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156A general rule of thumb I like to abide by when attributing acts of rogue entities is to ask the question, "who benefits from this?" 
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158Since most armed conflict between states is now done through proxy groups, and essentially every major geopolitical player patrons one of these groups or another while maintaining plausible deniability, this is probably the only way to come to a rational conclusion. 
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160So let's take your claim of the Pakistani state being behind this attack and try to assess how it benefits from doing so:
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162- Pakistan's number 1 priority right now is to attract foreign investment due to the dwindling foreign reserves. A major head of state is visiting Pakistan this month for that very reason. Does sponsoring this attack help that?
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164- Pakistan is increasingly making overtures to India for dialogue, even going so far to monetarily invest in the building of a corridor for Sikh pilgrims. A positive response from India in this regard is the only thing that will bring a return on that investment. Will this attack expedite that process?  
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166- Pakistan's military will soon be disproportionate to India's 1 to 6, not to mention it is already spread thin protecting our western front and key assets of the OBOR initiative. Would a flare-up of tensions at the LOC be a calculated move at this juncture? 
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168Now let's get to the organization that has allegedly claimed responsibility for this attack, JEM. It is laughable to claim that they are acting at the behest of Pakistan considering they have leveled terrorist attacks against civilians in Pakistan and attempted to assassinate General Perzez Musharraf twice! They have been banned from operating in Pakistan. 
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170India irresponsibly blaming Pakistan on the eve of the attack without a shred of evidence yet again is just another example of its leaderships inability to take responsibility for it's failed policies. 
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172Your hardline right-wing government, that was voted in despite claims of human rights organizations of them facilitating pogroms, vowed to break the will of the Kashmiri youth by not paying heed to their protests but by upping the violence and subjugation. 
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174When you suppress the rights of a group and totally humiliate them just because you have the might of a military, don't be surprised that a disillusioned youth decides to fight back through asymmetrical warfare to regain his dignity. 
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176No matter how much your media would like you to believe that Pakistanis and Muslims are bloodthirsty savages who are only motivated by their hatred for India, a secessionist movement can never be sustainable just through ideology. It can be a catalyst but you need the material conditions of widespread abuse, torture, murder, and rape for a whole people to revolt against you. 
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178And the matter of fact is that Kashmir is revolting against you, this has nothing to do with Pakistan but Indian politicians passing the buck in favor of politicking for votes on dead bodies is a tale as old as time. 
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180It is up to the common people of India to make sure that they elect people who have a appetite for peace, not war, so that we can resolve our issues diplomatically and ensure a properous South Asia for future generations.  16 2 2019 pakistan 1
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182Yeah Pakistan did not take the hard steps in the 80's and 90's to introduce land reform, invest in education, and build infrastructure like India, we will be a decade or two behind them for a long time to come.
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184However, the only thing in Pakistans favor is it's smaller size, which means if we do get our shit together we can develop at a faster pace.  16 2 2019 pakistan 1
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186There have been many previous threads on this, please use the search function before making posts.  16 2 2019 pakistan 1
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188I don't think you've heard of the case at the ICJ? 
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190I'd rather not emulate our hysterical neighbors and make playing politics over dead bodies the norm in Pakistan.  16 2 2019 pakistan 1
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192Has Pakistan ever collectively called for war against India when RAW backed terrorists kill our security personnel? 
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194Even as recently as the killing of the two policemen at the Chinese consulate, Pakistan showed restrain and carried and investigation, and even then there was only introspection about security lapses. 
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197I'm not ignoring anything, I was talking about the strategic aspect of the conflict in Kashmir.
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199Kashmir was in a lull under the leadership of Manmohan Singh, his restrained foreign policy managed to portray India as a responsible state (despite their human rights violations) and Pakistan was found trying to just achieve parity. It bought them time to find a long term political solution to the issue because everyone knows the military occupation is not sustainable. 
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201What this new government did was come in and think that the long term thinking of their previous government was due to their meek nature and that they could solve Kashmir by breaking the will of the Kashmiri people by turning up the militarization. Kashmir has been on a boil due to this for the past few years now, and the insurgency has become totally indigenous. This attack was the breaking point of those policies, when you deny people basic human rights and back them into a corner they attack.
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204This is how you alleviate terrorism and discontent amongst the populace. 5 years of these policies and PTM and their ilk will be suffocated due to a lack of oxygen for their narratives.  15 2 2019 pakistan 1
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208Kami Bhai back in Pakistan colors when? 15 2 2019 Cricket 1
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210Please stop peddling propaganda, there is no proof provided that this was perpetrated by Pakistan.
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212The attacker was born in the city this attack was carried out in and the parents have been quoted as saying that he was radicalized after being beaten up by the military.
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214There is an insurgency in the region due to the fact that the military carries out grave human rights violations.
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217The attacks on the Indian military force is a direct result of your current governments heavy handed policy in Kashmir, it is open knowledge that the Modi/Doval strategy to break Kashimiri spirits through brute force has failed spectacularly.
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219But I guess it is way easier to blame Pakistan for all the troubles rather than look inwards and assess how electing a hardline right-wing authoritarian government is having disastrous results for your country. 
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221Manmohan Singh was the best thing to happen to India, but I don't think you guys will have a leader like him again in the near future due to how jingoist the general populous has become.   15 2 2019 pakistan 1
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223Overly corporate.
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225Their marketing is cringe inducing. 15 2 2019 Cricket 1
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227Amir was the difference between the two teams, he really sealed it with his last over. 15 2 2019 Cricket 1
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229Credit: https://twitter.com/Hamster41/status/969642002236272640 15 2 2019 Cricket 1
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231Lol who cares? He's not in the national side anymore.
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233I can unashamedly be an Afridiot now! 15 2 2019 Cricket 1
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237If Malik finishes this game off he's officially daddy from now on. 15 2 2019 Cricket 1
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239Probably because of the bowling option?  15 2 2019 Cricket 1
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241Do not try to evade the automod by using special characters. Slurs are banned for a reason.  15 2 2019 pakistan 1
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245Man what does Lahore need to do to buy themselves a chance in this tournament, even when it looks like they might have come good they end up losing. 15 2 2019 Cricket 1
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247Post with a proper title  14 2 2019 pakistan 1
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249Removed for being unrelated to Pakistan and posting peoples personal information on reddit. 14 2 2019 pakistan 1
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251Watson hasn't even gotten a game in yet and we're already off to a promising start.  14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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253They have a good structure though, they usually start slow but their management makes sure they are always contenders for the trophy.  14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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255They have been dead last every time.  14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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257Finally they got it right after fucking it up repeatedly in the past.  14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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259ISLU needed to replace their team dad now that they got rid of Misbah. 14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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261Yes, he plays for Islamabad United.  14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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263Ahh yes it's that time of the year when the rest of the country relentlessly shits on Lahore.  14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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265Make them on r/cricket and then you can invite people who'd like to comment in Urdu to your sub. Probably a nice way to make people aware of the community as well.
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267By the looks of it not many cricket lovers on r/Pakistan. 14 2 2019 pakistan 1
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269That's a well made sub, I think it would be a good place to have Urdu match threads. It's hard to meme on r/cricket cause stuff gets lost in translation.
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274Nastaliq renders really weird on my phone, will read on my computer when I get home. 14 2 2019 pakistan 1
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276He’s called Taliban Khan for speaking against drone strikes.
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278None of your arguments are in good faith and you are entirely driven by agenda. I hope you see how disingenuous that comes across. 14 2 2019 pakistan 1
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280Man seriously get a grip, you really think these guys were arrested for criticizing the PM? 
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282There is a seriously problem of radical Muslims using social media to drum up hate against minority groups and public servants. 
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284IK is their enemy number enemy for the reforms he’s been pushing for.
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286You coopting their struggle as some big bad saazish by the state to curb dissent is rather sad and dangerous. 14 2 2019 pakistan 1
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288Making a joke about a specific incident about one player vs making a joke that implies certain people are terrorists. 
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290But whatever, everyone has their own opinions.  14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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292If you're gonna make some edgy joke at least stand behind it. You know what you were implying and now you're hiding behind semantics. lol 14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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294Wow way to link my comment out of context by not including the parent comment. lol 14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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296Man I dont get how these kinds of racist comments are upvoted in this sub. 
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298You're not even allowed to make "hurr durr muslims are terrorists" jokes on r/worldnews.  14 2 2019 Cricket 1
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300How does one 'look punjabi'? 12 2 2019 pakistan 1
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302***Our*** army killing Baloch ***youth*** ***mercilessly*** at point blank range.
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304That is quite sensationalized, I can see why one would title it that but I just requested to refrain titling post as such because it sets a bad precedent. 
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306Others have been requested to do the same, not using mod powers on pointless issues just trying to not let the sub delve into clickbait central.  12 2 2019 pakistan 1
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308OP can you please provide some context and please refrain from using sensationalized titles.  12 2 2019 pakistan 1
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310Alright but please going forward make sure your titles are exclusive relevant to Pakistan, thank you! 10 2 2019 pakistan 1
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312Yes, please repost explaining the content of your link and keeping it specific to Pakistan. 10 2 2019 pakistan 1
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314Please make posts with less sensational titles. 10 2 2019 pakistan 1
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316Please don’t post editorialized titles. 9 2 2019 pakistan 1
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320You are denouncing civic nationalism on one hand and then promoting religious chauvinism on the other, both are just as bad. 
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322Also Pakistan was founded on the principals of having a federalist state that represented the interests of the minority Muslim population of the Subcontinent, if anything Muslim clerics did not even support its creation. 8 2 2019 pakistan 1
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324The fact of the matter is no one in Pakistan disagrees with the fact these people were hard done by.
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326The TTP had a stronghold in these regions, with or without the support of the locals doesn’t matter at this point.
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328But now that the kinetic phase of the armies clean up operation is over every relevant faction agrees that these people’s grievances should be met. All major political parties, the army, public opinion, are sympathetic to the demands of these people that the mines in those areas should be removed, the check posts put in place should be relaxed, and corrupt police officers should be apprehended.
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330However despite facing no resistance the movement relies on sharing fake pictures of supposed abuses by the army, has links to VOA(CIA propaganda), espouses racist ideals of Pashtuns being superior to “Black Indic Punjabi’s”, and has opportunist leaders that supported drone strikes and were part of Afghan nationalist movements. 
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332These tactics are making them lose favor with mainstream Pashtuns in KPK because their focus is increasingly shifting from a rights movement to one that wants to incite violence in a region that badly needs rebuilding after the decades long war on terror. 
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334The authorities are playing it smart by letting these people congregate despite calls for mutiny by the movements leaders, not giving them the validation they need to keep going. Once the region starts seeing material change and things normalize all of this will fizzle out because the claim that Pashtuns are in any kind of specific danger in Pakistan is laughable. 7 2 2019 pakistan 1
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336It’s cause Bollywood makes a lot of dancing item song music. 
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338Pakistani music scene doesn’t lend itself to weddings. Off course all the various ethnicities have their folk songs tho.   7 2 2019 ABCDesis 1
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340It isn’t available online yet so you can’t watch it.  7 2 2019 pakistan 1
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342They are ethno-nationalists, which means even Pashtuns who don't believe that Punjabis, Tajiks, Hazaras, etc are **Kaaliyas** or some other derogatory slur are **Gul Khans**(dumb Pashtun) to them. They are basically like upper caste Hindus who believe they have a right to rule over the other demographics in their country and also have imperialist aspirations of reconquering their "ideological homeland".
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344These kind of movements that are based on exclusionary politics become extremist very fast, and PTM already has heavy links to TTP to begin with.  7 2 2019 pakistan 1
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346You think he gives a fuck about peace? lol
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348These Afghan elites have made bank from facilitating the war in their country. Where do you think all the American aid has been going while Afghanistan is just as much of a basket case as it ever was. 
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350Now that he sees the hand that feeds him pulling away he’s looking for other revenue streams. Probably looking to go back to school in Delhi. 7 2 2019 pakistan 1
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352Potato/Patato
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354Do not make generalizing remarks about entire communities, I think that’s basic human decency. 7 2 2019 pakistan 1
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356Freedom House is merely a propaganda machine created by Roosevelt to prepare the US public opinion for war. It's headed by former CIA directors for god's sake. lol 7 2 2019 pakistan 1
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358Ashraf Ghani is such a useless puppet that he's not even involved in negotiations about the future of the country he's supposedly the president of and he's over here giving his opinion on the internal matters of another nation. 
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360It's gonna be fun when the American's leave and these usurpers have to come to terms with ground realities. A third of his countrymen are being given refuge in Pakistan and the entity that controls huge parts of the Afghan territory are sympathetic to Pakistan.
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362Literally, no one even pretends to give a shit about the concerns of the "Afghan government" anymore. 7 2 2019 pakistan 1
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364Your comment was removed by automoderator not by a mod, they have been approved. The bot automatically removes certain comments if the users don't meet the karma threshold in a sub and various other things.  5 2 2019 pakistan 1
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366I’m sorry but none of your comments were deleted, as long as you put forth your viewpoints respectfully and don’t engage in brigading we don’t delete comments.
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370No google isn’t banned, that’s where I found this article by Arundhati Roy (reputed author) for The Gaurdian (reputed source) detailing the perverse nature of this mans conviction. 
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372Unfortunately there’s many such stories of injustices in Kashmir that get lost in stats and statistics of extrajudicial killings and rapes but I wanted to humanize an individual that for many Kashmiris became a symbol of their struggle. 
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374I think focusing on individual stories is the most useful way of observing Kashmir Solidarity Day. These people never get to tell their stories.  5 2 2019 pakistan 1
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376[I think Khan is already working towards an outreach towards Bangladesh](https://streamable.com/p53z4) 1 2 2019 pakistan 1
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378Lil Abida Parveen over here.  1 2 2019 pakistan 1
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380Unfortunately there are many nationalists on r/Pakistan but yes you won't see slurs against minority religions, ethno-facism, or other such deplorable things you see on the other subs mentioned. 
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382The mods try to let all viewpoints be represented but we do not tolerate hate speech at any cost. Even baseless jingoistic anti-India comments get deleted.  1 2 2019 pakistan 1
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384If you watch Indian Punjabi news you can see how much goodwill Imran Khan has there due to his non-political approach towards the Kartarpur border, they are so receptive to his messaging because he’s delivering on his promise meanwhile their supposedly own central government has been politicking on the anniversary of Baba Guru Nanak and not even allocating funds to start building the corridor. 
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386I think similar efforts could be made to attract South Indians where the population is more educated and less engulfed by the right wing hindutva rhetoric of the central government. 
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388It’s not just Pakistan that is threatened by a hegemonic force in the region, many communities in India also see it as a threat to their cultures and way of life.  1 2 2019 pakistan 1
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390Also they don’t wanna have bilateral talks, wanna make juvenile remarks like “Pakistan is a terrorist factory” at the UN, and then also don’t want us to pursue our interests. 
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392I think the foreign office would like nothing more than a peace process with India to maximize our potential for trade but India is hedging all it’s bet on fomenting instability in Pakistan to make sure it’s occupied on the western front and not a thorn in their imperialist aspirations for the region. 
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394Pakistan stopped funding the Kashmir struggle in the 80’s and Benazir foolishly dismantled the Khalistani network as goodwill gesture but India has repeatedly squandered all opportunity for peace by meddling in Pakistan’s internal affairs and exploiting it when it’s at its weakest. 
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396Very impressed with this governments proactive peace offering and then even more efficient dealings with Khalistani and Hurriyat leadership when India reciprocated so abrasively. We need to reach out to all the demographics in India who are willing to deal with Pakistan despite the warmongering hysteria drummed up by their right wing upper caste Hindu central government. 
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398As they say in Urdu ‘Laton ke bhoot baton se nahi maante 1 2 2019 pakistan 1
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400Your comment has been removed due to ableist language and specifically targeting another user on the sub. 
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404 I’m not sure if that was a compliment or not but thanks?  1 2 2019 pakistan 1
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406Nawaz and Co were interested in upholding the status quo so they could pursue their personal self interests without much uncertainty, the new government was elected on an anti status quo platform which by its nature brings a wholesale overhaul of the existing standards and processes. 
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408Our last foreign minister was preoccupied with his own Iqama in Saudi Arabia to focus much on developing a proactive foreign policy for the country.
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410See how much gets done when you don’t try to oversmart your own armed forces and work in tandem for the betterment of the collective nation.  30 1 2019 pakistan 15
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412The party who's member assassinated Gandhi for going on a hunger strike for demanding that Pakistan be given it's fair share of assets during partition is the ideological epicenter of India's ruling government. 
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414The world's most famous peacenik was shot in cold blood for even suggesting that India deal with Pakistan in an amicable and fair manner. 
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416That population has only been more politically radicalized since then, Gandhi is downright reviled in many circles today and his killer venerated.  30 1 2019 pakistan 9
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418This has been reposted 3 times now, please check to see if something has already been shared on the sub before submitting content.  30 1 2019 pakistan 2
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420Can we use this thread to compile a comprehensive list of all the greatest **SAD BOI** songs?  29 1 2019 pakistan 3
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422Please post with a non-editorialized title, include the name of the place and information about the picture. 28 1 2019 pakistan 3
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424Yes, stop with the juvenile name calling and bigotry. I’m gonna reiterate this is your last warning as you constantly shitpost in the sub. 
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428Please stop with the constant incendiary comments, your next infraction will result in a ban.   27 1 2019 pakistan -1
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430[British and Canadian Sikhs have some special concessions in the new visa policy, im not sure why that wasnt extended to American Sikhs ](https://preview.redd.it/c56og5emamc21.jpg?auto=webp&s=3bc633c17ad4136fb651505ea115e7bc513c4236) 27 1 2019 pakistan 4
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432Oh man I went to this Church as a kid while visiting Narthiagali and out of curiosity I asked this same guy which language was the Bible first revealed in and he goes “uhhh... English” ?
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434Great man tho, and that building is beautifully maintained. 23 1 2019 pakistan 13
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436It quite literally was... hence the “but seriously”
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438This sub is way too touchy. 22 1 2019 Cricket 0
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440Yeah I’m sure none would have batted an eye if he said this in Karachi but you can’t be representing your country at the world stage and not know this kind of racist uncouth language won’t fly in other countries. 22 1 2019 Cricket 1
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442Dude it was a joke, I wasn’t equating the two or whatever just playing on the meme of black ppl being allowed to say certain words due to being of the culture. lol 22 1 2019 Cricket -13
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444Dude wtf this is the first time I’ve interacted with you, have you been following me around? lol What posting patterns? 
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446Also I mod r/Pakistan, it’s pretty innocuous in terms of the content posted there.. lol 
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448Why are you even talking about this on r/cricket?  22 1 2019 Cricket 9
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450What? 
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452Mate I’m in the United States, colorism is a problem here too. I’m just saying it’s disingenuous to act like it’s one guy making an off hand remark. Pakistan’s entire culture normalizes this kind of thought process. 
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456You’re delusional if you don’t think colorism is acceptable in South Asia, they literally sell creams to make you lighter on television.
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458It’s not only acceptable it’s profitable! 22 1 2019 Cricket 30
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460Tbf Pandya could have said something like that since you know he’s “more on the black side” himself.
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462But seriously I hope Sarfraz gets a hefty ban for this and they put these idiots in some sensitivity training. Pakistani players can’t seem to keep their mouths shut on the field.  22 1 2019 Cricket -36
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464Yeah my bad dude, sorry for bringing up politics in a discussion about a revisionist propaganda film. 
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466How was the song and dance?  22 1 2019 ABCDesis 1
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468This girls voice is just amazing, she went viral on twitter for her audition for the new season of Nescafe Basement. 
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470What song have you guys been listening to this week?  22 1 2019 pakistan 3
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472Oh bhai maaf karo, tum jaise log laqeer ke fakir hi theek hain. 15 1 2019 bollywood 1
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474> Come on mate. Art is subjective but we can compare them, can't we? Majidi is better than Bay and Fincher is better than Majidi. 
475
476According to who? You? lol Or wait are we gonna use award counts again...lol
477
478>I'm not gonna sink 10s of hours in a soap opera, bruh. If the show is as good as you say then there must be some sort of reviews about it online, right? Just link me to some of them.
479
480[You don't need to read a review to realize just how brilliant this guys performance is.](https://streamable.com/vrcf0)
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482I highly doubt you have the ability to appreciate art independently without others validating your like for it though.  15 1 2019 bollywood 1
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484>  I can when one of them is an award-winning, one of the most talked about shows of the last year
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486Lol is this really the premise of your argument... awards? lol That is the criteria by which you critique art.
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488> Good for you. Will you also prefer Majidi over David Fincher?
489
490Umm yes? But I'm not callous enough to declare one as 'clearly better' than the other like you seem to think you have the authority of doing.
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492>Hard to be informed when your show doesn't even have reviews online
493
494You know what is available online? The fucking show. lol You realize you don't need lots of people to watch a piece of art and validate it through tertiary media before it's good enough for you to watch right?
495
496>Mate, you missed my entire point.
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498Unfortunately you didn't really make a point beyond declaring you opinion as some objective fact, and your further elaboration doesn't really help you come across as less obnoxious. 
499
500> understand that you like to hype up Pakistani entertainment
501
502I'm not hyping up anything, if anything it's you that's acting like a cheerleader by listing off "awards" and "marketing". I'm just saying art is subjective and you can't judge it in absolutes.  15 1 2019 bollywood 1
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504Lol are you serious? Most of the shit on Netflix is utter trite and even HBO has put out a lot of doosies. You sound like someone who was recently introduced to western media and puts everything that mimics it on a pedestal. 
505
506Idk if Kabhi Khushi is better than Avengers but there's many non-blockbuster movies that are.
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508You are not accounting for you bias for maximalist narratives and scale when you profess one thing better than another with absolute certainty. 
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510I value the art of story telling above all, give me a Majid Majidi over a Micheal Bay all day. 
511
512Does the added production value make a show like Sacred Games tell a way better story than something you consider a lowly 'daytime soap opera', the answer to that is not as simple as you are making it out to be. Not to mention you are arguing from a position of ignorance rather than doing any kind of informed comparison. 
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514Going by your logic Thugs of Hindostan should've been the best movie out of India last year but it got beat out by many indie productions.  15 1 2019 bollywood 1
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516We can agree to disagree I guess but the pedigree of the scripts and acting is not on par.
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518You are perhaps enamored by production value as a Bollywood fan but I don’t prioritize that when evaluating a piece of media. 15 1 2019 bollywood 1
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520It's a story about a girl named Noori who hails from a family of "choora's", or I guess untouchables as you would call them in India. They are the lowest rung of the class structure in Pakistan, and are usually sweepers and trash collectors. 
521
522Noori being an ambitious and idealist girl moves to a bigger city to work at a factory and pursue her education. Along the way she meets characters like Molvi Sahab, the religious factory owner who tries to sexually harass her, Sahir, a hardworking small town guy who she falls in love with, and Bhola, a child like grown up with a mental disability.  15 1 2019 bollywood 1
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524>	Sacred games, Mirzapur and some of TVF's content is already much better than any Pakistani TV show.
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526Lol why would you just assume this? Watch [Ranjha Ranjha Kardi](https://youtu.be/-a_ojdQlvDY) and get back to me. Not many other shows that handle caste conciseness and mental disability in such a mature way.
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528Pakistani shows are very heavy on scripts and acting, I don’t think those qualities are that sought after in India. 15 1 2019 bollywood 1
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530>And he did not provide further sources.
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533>He provided other sources for further reading on different topics.
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535And my "these" threads, I mean threads that have to deal with academic topics. Not every thread can be allowed to devolve into shitposting. 
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537I hope you're enjoying all the new activity on the sub! 15 1 2019 pakistan 1
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539Your comment has been removed due to the use of a slur, please refrain from using offensive language going forward.  15 1 2019 pakistan 1
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541Thanks for providing further sources, it encourages healthier discussions. These types of threads will be heavily moderated to keep a certain level of decorum.   15 1 2019 pakistan 1
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543Instead of trying to create an informed debate these people are more keen on trying to influence the debate.
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545Can you imagine an American journalist, a media culture known for its sensationalism, calling a Trump government official fascist to their face? 
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547The sheer disregard for the respect of the craft that it takes to ask such ridiculously loaded questions and the level narcism that must be involved in thinking you are entitled to such grandstanding when your whole job is to not to be the focus of attention.  
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549 15 1 2019 pakistan 1
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551Lol there is no bossman, just remember there is another person on the other side. Try to have arguments in good faith rather than trying to get a reaction going forward.
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553Thank you :) 14 1 2019 pakistan 1
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555Please don’t participate in the sub with the intention of “triggering people”.
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557Next infraction will result in a ban. 14 1 2019 pakistan 1
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559UH OH IT'S: *[# S A D  / B O I   / H O U R S /](https://streamable.com/mkksz)* 14 1 2019 pakistan 1
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561What’s the female version of parayi shaadi mein abdullah dewana?  14 1 2019 pakistan 1
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563Are you from Bangladesh? Would you be so kind to make a post about Mohammad Yunus? I think Pakistan would do well to replicate his banking reforms because we have similar demographics. 13 1 2019 pakistan 1
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565Man people are actually being killed and raped in grave numbers, I don’t think you should joke about this kind of stuff.  13 1 2019 Cricket 1
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567Lol um we are weak...? Kashmiri struggle needs international legitimacy more than they need arms support that lets India point fingers at Pakistan and brush the discontent of the Kashmiri's under the rug like they have been doing for decades. They are militarily botching it like nobodies business, it's not a surprise the insurgency is back to the heights it is with zero support from Pakistan.  
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569What we need to do is to keep pushing this issue internationally and perhaps use the US-Afghanistan situation to bring this conflict into the fray.  13 1 2019 pakistan 1
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571How about let’s not and focus on internal matters like we have for the past few decades. 
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573This isn’t the 80’s, the insurgency in IOK is totally indigenous and us getting involved just delegitimizes their struggle. We should continue giving them diplomatic and moral support like we have for years now.   13 1 2019 pakistan 1
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575Ok I thought this was some kind of conspiracy theory but I looked it up and wtf it's true!
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577How is it that there are so many Sikhs in the Indian armed forces and yet it seems they show no regard towards attacking the holy sites of Sikhism? (Golden Temple, Kartarpur, etc) 11 1 2019 pakistan 1
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579I don’t think that sub is a good representation of Sikhs, it gets brigades a lot and you can see people point that out in the thread you linked as well.
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581Also there’s historically a lot of animosity between Muslims and Sikhs due to our tumultuous past so you should be cognizant of that fact and give people a break if they approach you with residual hate. 
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583Fighting fire with fire doesn’t solve anything.  11 1 2019 pakistan 1
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585Man I was watching a video of this Sikh figure pleading the central government of India to release funds to start building the corridor to Kartarpur at they could see work already in progress on the other side and it was quite disheartening to see such a proud people beg for a chance to visit their holiest sites. 
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587It's so important for a nation of people to have the right to self determine, an astute and shrewd leader like Jinnah saw this.
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589I'm glad the current government is selling land that Sikhs consider holy to Sikhs settled abroad, that is line with the offer Jinnah originally made to the Sikh quom of ownership of their own destiny. 
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592“On January 6, 2015, in an NDTV debate, BJP spokesperson Sudhanshu Trivedi said (19:05): “When Pakistan was created there were 24% Hindus in Pakistan. Now there are less than 1% Hindus.”
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594Trivedi has got his numbers wrong – it was undivided Pakistan at the time of partition that had 24 per cent Hindus, not the modern-day Pakistan, that has 21,11,271 or 1.6 per cent Hindus; East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, has 9.5 per cent Hindus. Worryingly, he is also wrong on the conclusions he drew from his numbers”
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596There’s no cure for your kind of ignorance because it is born out of bigoted hate but I’m gonna help you learn regardless. 
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598https://www.newslaundry.com/2015/01/09/the-vanishing-hindus-of-pakistan-a-demographic-study-2
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600Read this whole article and then reevaluate the conclusions you’ve drawn about an entire nation based of flawed data and hateful rhetoric. 11 1 2019 pakistan 1
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602Thank you ? just trying to make sure that the stuff posted here is reliable due to a lot of unverified news being proliferated recently. 11 1 2019 pakistan 1
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604[I saw this poignant documentary, by the guy who hosts Zara Hut Kay, and you can see that theres progress being made to make these places more accessible in the last 5-6 years.](https://vimeo.com/62682627)
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606Really beautiful religion and traditions, these stories should be told to all our children so they realize the significance of the land they live on and perhaps develop a responsibility to preserve it. 11 1 2019 pakistan 1
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608Please post a link to a news source instead of a self post if you are reporting on an event.  11 1 2019 pakistan 1
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610https://streamable.com/eh6ft
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612is this the same road as this video?
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615Yes unfortunately I think it does. Pakistanis are some of the most critical when it comes to their own, it’s essentially what’s holding us back in many ways.
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617This is all anecdotal so anyone is welcome to disagree with me but I’ve seen this so much in the arts. Go to any Pakistani celebrities social media post, I can guarantee most of the comments will be negative. It’s a crabs in a barrel mentality.
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619We don’t rally behind our own ever because we don’t want them to succeed, but once they get recognition elsewhere we begrudgingly reclaim them and let outside forces shape narratives about us.
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621It gives birth to some amazing high value content but overall it ensures that there is never a large enough market for it to be sustainable. 
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623I mean if you look at the subpar talent coming out of other countries and the kind of support they get from their local audiences and compare it to just how disinterested the Pakistani public is in taking ownership of what their artists are doing it’s quite sad an disheartening. 10 1 2019 pakistan 1
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625The guy who dubs those movies is Dubbing Master Sajjad, he's from Faislabad. 
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627If you look up Chacha Boota on YouTube, there is a local talk show hosted by this poor old guy that they dub every episode of just for memes. lol
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629He even ended up inviting Master Sajjad on the show and they dubbed that episode too. lol
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632Yes they don’t, hence why Pakistan was designed as a federalist society.
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634Punjabi’s and Pashtuns aren’t together because we have some cultural bonhomie but because both people decided it was mutually beneficial to form a union for a net gain. 
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636That’s literally the basis for Pakistan, an entity that offered greater autonomy for the numerically insignificant nations of the subcontinent that didn’t wanna be at the mercy of a centralized government in Delhi. 
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638The Sikh nation was offered a similar deal from Jinnah but they refused due to their own apprehensions.  9 1 2019 pakistan 1
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640Despite the change in government, Pakistan's actual structural problems are due to these incompetent bureaucrats and they will fight tooth and nail to make sure they aren't the one's who have to pay a price for tabdeeli.  9 1 2019 pakistan 1
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642Indian media has raised a generation of cultural supremacists because they have been fed a huge dose of propaganda without having to confront any kind of opposing narratives in regards to their place in the world. 
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644A pop culture example of this is the "superpower2020" meme, it's a mockery of the jingoist psyche that's removed from factual reality. 9 1 2019 pakistan 1
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646Language barrier off course. But there already is a huge market for dubbed Turkish content in Pakistan, my sisters are obsessed with Turkish shows, so I think similar efforts can be made to introduce high value content from other countries as well.
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648 9 1 2019 pakistan 1
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650Lol is this a joke? Why would Pakistani actors have to condemn some attack on Indian military installations by Kashmiri freedom fighters?
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652This is the kind of boneheaded logic having a heavily censored media breeds, I mean I'm still in awe that most Indians believe in the surgical strike bs. 
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654Actors in India can't fucking condemn their fellow countrymen being slaughtered for having beef and you're over here acting sanctimonious. lol 9 1 2019 pakistan 1
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656To be honest we should be moving towards more cultural exchange with every country in the World.
657
658Just because India bans all Pakistani content from their airways doesn't mean we should as well. I mean have you seen the state of their general population? Is that the kind of populous we wanna breed?
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660Bad move! 9 1 2019 pakistan 1
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662Yeah I really liked Khwaab but I thought it was kind of safe from Kashmir, also they abandoned their trademark falsettos for their first single! 8 1 2019 pakistan 1
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664Did I miss any obvious ones? What was everybody else top 10 this year? 8 1 2019 pakistan 1
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666You're welcome! That whole competition produces some amazing music, check out [Mera Pyaar](https://youtu.be/3hlNm6-YAWY) it's almost as good as Meesha's song. Alternative rock in Urdu sounds too good. 8 1 2019 ABCDesis 1
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668Unfortunately there is no studio recording of it, it was just a live performance.
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670 8 1 2019 ABCDesis 1
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672Please link to a source and not a picture  8 1 2019 pakistan 1
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674Some Farsi is there, I hope it appeals to your Persian sensibilities!  8 1 2019 ABCDesis 1
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676I wasn’t gonna make a list this year but I got messages from random people on reddit that I don’t even remember interacting with asking me to do it.
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678I never thought people even noticed who was posting what on here!  8 1 2019 ABCDesis 1
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680Yeah I know Netflix just throws money around that's why I'm saying hope they throw it at him cause he would make some worthwhile use of it at least.
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682Instead, we hear news of ppl like Amir Liaquat shopping for a Netflix deal so he can make dramas with his second wife. 6 1 2019 pakistan 1
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684Man this guy is just too brilliant, if anyone in Pakistan deserves some Netflix money to make original content it has to be him!  6 1 2019 pakistan 1
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686Well obviously, it's such a callous claim and you haven't provided anything to back it up. 4 1 2019 Pashtun 1
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688Yes that is what nationalism means, however, I'm not sure how you can go about making that claim that most Pakistani's are nationalistic?
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690Do you have any source to qualify that?  4 1 2019 Pashtun 1
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692And what do capitalist countries do? 
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694I think it’s best we don’t get stuck in being dogmatic ideologues and work to create a system tailored to the needs of Pakistan. 
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696It’s foolish to say any one ideological approach is the reason for Pakistan’s woes today, as saying that would lose the subtext of material realities that are the actual reason for things being the way they are.  4 1 2019 pakistan 1
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698He only mentioned wealth creation being looked at as a sin, very lackluster from Khan. He really needs to stop doing extempore speeches on foreign visits, I don't mind those for domestic consumption but need to be more measured on the international stage.  4 1 2019 pakistan 1
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700I hear the Samadhi of Mahraja Ranjit Singh in Lahore, Pakistan is quite nice to visit this time of year.  
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702The government of Pakistan has done a good job preserving it and many other such sites that harken back to the lands great Sikh ancestry.  4 1 2019 pakistan 1
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704Wtf was that diatribe about a "socialist mindset" in the 70's being the reason for our economic woes currently? 
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706Our "socialists" aka PPP nationalized industries not to allocate profits to the worker class but to essentially turn the government into a holding company that used the country as collateral to rack up massive debt while they pocketed money running them into the ground through corrupt and inefficient management.  4 1 2019 pakistan 1
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708Pakistan was created for the Muslims of the sub continent after Jinnah saw how disagreeable the central government of a united India would be towards equal representation of Muslims in national politics.
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710He was a proponent of religious diversity and advocated for religious freedom for all faiths of Pakistan.
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712This move in no way is an antithesis to his vision of Pakistan and the two-nation theory. 4 1 2019 pakistan 1
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714India wont let that happen. They have way more funds to keep sponsoring TTP however their designs in the region have taken a big hit with the US abandoning support for their puppet government in Afghanistan. Hopefully the boys can utilize their network in Afghanistan to dismantle these anti-Pak elements but I'm sure India wont let their investments in keeping Pakistan preoccupied on the western front sink without a fight.  
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717You have an extremely poor understanding of Faiz and Iqbal, I’d suggest reading more of their work before coming to any overarching conclusions about their philosophies.    4 1 2019 pakistan 1
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719Lol is that why the most prominent ethno-nationalist movements in the world today are mostly based around white-sumpremacy..? Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with being "screwed".
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721Ethno-nationalism is for people who think their ethnicity is superior to that of others.  4 1 2019 Pashtun 1
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723I'm not an idealist nor an ethno-nationlist, I think that's why you are having trouble understanding that what I'm saying is just pragmatism. 
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725 4 1 2019 Pashtun 1
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727>said person's home country is begging for alms in the most public display ever seen by the world.
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729Thank you for proving my point. 4 1 2019 geopolitics 1
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731 >Greatest military run on public emotions. If it was like China it would never leave. 
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733This is just laughable, I swear jingoists from a certain country are ruining the level of discourse on this sub.  4 1 2019 geopolitics 1
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735If a parallel power structure controls 15% of a country and can contest the writ of the state in another 35% then you don't have a state my friend. 
736
737Not to mention this was after decades of help from the greatest military force in human history. 
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739It's not a talking point when China, Russia, and even the United States see their rule as legitimate now. 
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743>The sound policy would have been to have fostered a democratic, stable Afghanistan and not one where the destabilisation backfires in Pakistan's face.
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745Foster a stable and democratic Afghanistan in the midst of them getting invaded by the greatest military force known to mankind? You sound incredibly naive so I'm just gonna stop wasting my time with someone of your caliber.   4 1 2019 geopolitics 1
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747Yes Afghans are welcome to the lands of KPK and beyond once they get a visa, it’s the same for Punjabi’s from India as well. 
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749We should encourage bonhomie and people to people contact as Quaid-e-Azam envisioned for this region while also being a staunch supporter of national sovereignty and the right for people to self determine.  3 1 2019 Pashtun 1
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751>It's getting to the point now that it's possible the USA places more importance on being in Afghanistan to counter China than to prevent the Taliban government.
752
753I think it's quite clear that has been a major objective of American presence in Afghanistan but I don't think the price tag of having troop presence there is justifying the cost domestically so America wants Afghanistan's neighbors to foot the bill for the instability caused by the war while still being able to pull the strings. 
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755>If the USA can bring Afghanistan into its fold by inflaming Pashtun nationalism and condemning Pakistan, they can, in a weird twist, abandon Pakistan for Afghanistan. It's a hard thing to pull off but it's possible.
756
757I think the Pakistani establishment see's this and is hence fencing borders and detangling Pakistan from Afghanistan by floating the repatriation of Afghan refugees back to their homes and discontinuing visa on arrival for Afghans. It is also being very delicate with domestic Pashtun rights movements despite them having links to terrorists organizations. 3 1 2019 geopolitics 1
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759?  3 1 2019 pakistan 1
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761Indians can’t get on arrival visas, it’s just a biometric card to travel the vicinity of the holy site.
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763Btw I’m curious does Afghanistan have Visa on arrival for Pakistanis?  3 1 2019 Pashtun 1
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765>Sure, that's fine. But it's a stupid policy. It's tragic that one would pride themselves on a policy that has economically crippled their country to the point that Bangladesh is a significantly far more robust country and economy.
766
767It's not a stupid policy it's a realist policy, and has been essentially proven to be the right call as all major powers are negotiating with the Taliban now. And also Pakistan's economy has suffered due to the War on Terror not period, everything since the invasion of Afghanistan has been to mitigate their losses. 
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769>Much prefer them to the Taliban. I'd rather not be backing an illiterate, genocidal terrorist group. 
770
771This is a talking point, the Taliban control large portions of Afghanistan that is a fact. You might not like it due to idealistic reasons but to ignore them in a peace process like the US had been doing so far had proven to be disastrous and hence the change in approach now. I can't believe you are talking about totally subjective things like morality on r/geopolitics. 
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773> Lindsey Graham? The man is a nutcase. Do you even know how many years, if not decades, it takes to negotiate a FTA? It's ludicrous and delusional suggestion. The US has a handful of FTAs, and only 2-3 of them are significant. 
774
775He's one of the most prominent voices in the ruling part of American politics, and in terms of what Pakistan offers America is a way out of this quagmire they've got themselves stuck into for the better part of the last two decades. They offer them an exit strategy quite literally and figuratively out of Afghanistan. Pakistan has the most experience in dealing with Afghanistan due to the immense experience from defeating the Soviet powers and then playing the double game against the Americans there. No other country has the kind of intelligence network and influence to bring order to Afghanistan and I'm sure the Americans realize that after spending trillions there and yet still having to conform to the Pakistani point of view.   
776
777>WTF? How is that? The IMF doesn't need to lend to Pakistan, Pakistan needs to lend from the IMF. 
778
779The IMF doesn't need to lend to Pakistan but the availability of various streams of capital give Pakistan some bargaining power to structure financing on terms that won't cripple economic growth. 
780
781>Yes, which all have to be paid back. This "financial assistance" from UAE, Saudi and China are all loans, they have interest on them, they have to be paid back and they are not sustainable. IIRC, the Saudi "deposit" had a 3-4% interest rate attached to it. 
782The situation is going to get worse. The balance of payments crisis will appear for the next fiscal year. What is Pakistan going to then when there is a $10-15B+ funding gap AGAIN? The fiscal deficit as it is is already horrendous, tax collections are struggling big time. 
783That country is in trouble, its economics are worrisome and especially when the Chinese expect loans to be paid back and dividends to be paid wrt CPEC from 2021 onwards especially. 
784This is just prelude, it's going to get really worrisome when (a) IMF austerity/measures kick in, (b) economic growth slows down to ~3% and (c) loan repayments (particularly to China) kick in. This will start to really kick off from 2020 onwards. 
785
786You are assuming the current government doesn't realize this, they need the capital and they are trying to finance their way out of this crisis but they aren't kicking the can down the road like previous establishments. There is an ongoing anti-corruption drive that is unprecedented in the history of Pakistan. The government is taking austerity measures and devaluing the currency to it's actual worth to make the exports market more competitive. These are things that require hard decisions but the steps are being taken to make Pakistan economically sustainable. 
787
788>Jesus H. Christ. Conspiratorial and wishful thinking? So your country isn't in an economic crisis? So your country isn't stuck on the FATF grey list? So your country isn't set to grow at a rate 50% slower than Bangladesh? So your country isn't taking loan after loan after loan to repay loans? 
789
790Where did I say Pakistan wasn't in an economic crisis? I said things will be pretty bleak for the next 10 years. But one Pakistan can meet its energy needs and go through the process of industrialization and starts attracting investment there is no reason it can not see accelerated growth due to its young demographic. There needs to be some really honest ground work done before it can take advantage of it's human capital. 
791
792>To the United States. Other than Afghanistan, what relevance does its "geopolitical positioning" have on the United States? Zilch! Nada! Zero! 
793
794You don't think the United States cares about the neighboring countries surrounding the only legitimate contender to it's title of global hegemon? China will do everything in it's power to limit American influence in it's backyard meanwhile America will make sure it keeps in surrounded. I think Pakistan has historically been good at pitting world powers against each other for it's survival. 
795
796>The delusions of grandeur whilst the economy collapses in one's country is sad and is based upon denial and being, unfortunately, fed propaganda. No objectivity whatsoever. 
797
798Actually I'm under no delusions of grandeur and realize just how dire the situation is but I also see the country moving in the right direction. I think it's you who's high off moral indignation while the world order pivots towards pragmatism.   3 1 2019 geopolitics 1
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800The US has already overplayed its hand without Pakistan budging an inch, they’ve stuck to their policy of dealing with the Taliban as they see the writing on the wall considering they control massive portions of the country and the US/India backed government in Kabul is utterly incompetent and corrupt. 
801
802Now that the entire world has pretty much come onboard with negotiating with the Taliban as the only feasible peace process in Afghanistan the US has changed its tone vis a vis Pakistan. They know that only Pakistan can bring the Taliban to the table for talks and you have prominent senators like Lindsey Graham advocating for a free trade agreement between the US and Pakistan as an incentive for cooperation on this front.
803
804As far as the IMF goes Pakistan has way more leverage in terms of negotiating a more favorable set of terms IF they even decide to finance a bailout package, which they have successfully avoided doing so far by seeking financial assistance from varied sources.
805
806Pakistan is in an economic quagmire but the new government is fully committed to making structural changes, the next 10 will indeed be difficult but a competent leadership that isn’t shy of enacting the necessary austerity measures is more than likely to turn the situation around rather quickly. Despite the horrid security and energy crisis Pakistan has still kept afloat and as these two things become less volatile it will give Pakistan a chance to take advantage of its young demographic.
807
808Your assessment is not based in fact but rather conspiratorial and wishful thinking as an Indian. Pakistan can never be strategically irrelevant as it’s geopolitical positioning is rather advantageous. It borders the worlds eminent superpower and is part of its flagship project in developing new trade routes to shift the world economic order eastward. 
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811I really thought this sub was above this kind of sophomoric analysis. 
812
813Are you really acting baffled and singling out a state for using proxy groups on a sub dedicated to geopolitics?
814
815Also Pakistan is strategically irrelevant? A country that borders the worlds fastest emerging superpower, is part of the flagship project that establishes new trade routes, borders a country where all major powers are involved in conflict resolution and where it possesses a deep and effective intelligence network is strategically irrelevant to you? 
816
817From your name I can guess you’re Indian so you have to parrot the “we will isolate Pakistan” narrative peddled by your government but this is an international forum and not everyone is inundated with the same propaganda so your assessments should be based in reality.  3 1 2019 geopolitics 1
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819Hopefully not! Him pulling out of Afghanistan and conceding to Pakistan’s policy of involving the Taliban in the peace process has been more than what any war hawk neo-liberal shill would have done in office. 3 1 2019 pakistan 1
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821The only thing that will stop this is if these entities are sued for damages incurred.  3 1 2019 pakistan 1
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823The only thing that will stop this is if these entities are sued for damages incurred.  3 1 2019 pakistan 1
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825Yeah they really are! However if the frontpage of the sub is mostly pictures than it makes it indistinguishable from r/explorepakisan.  2 1 2019 pakistan 1
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827Sherry is Amir Liaquat's greatest contribution to Pakistan.  2 1 2019 pakistan 1
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829[That was our featured song in one of the prior weeks and the lead singer actually interacted with the users of the sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/comments/a0xe58/song_of_the_week_hey_rpakistan_lead_singer_of/). We are working on inviting more artists to the sub. I think you will like next weeks post as well. ;)  2 1 2019 pakistan 1
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831Man that CTO album has been on repeat for me at the gym as well. The outro to [Meda Dil](https://youtu.be/loD0umA6gAs) gets me pumped as fuckkk!  2 1 2019 pakistan 1
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833Thanks! Sara Haider is bae.
834
835Btw if you like metal music you must check out [Keeray Makoray](https://patari.pk/home/song/Keeray-Makoray-Valhalla).
836
837Altamash Sever is probably the most impressive vocalist in Pakistan when it comes to that genre of music.  2 1 2019 pakistan 1
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839[Boss mein aapko bola kya hai?](https://youtu.be/Uowqq9ihl9s) 2 1 2019 pakistan 1
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841Thank you! :) 2 1 2019 pakistan 1
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843[Heres a Patari link for you](https://patari.pk/home/song/Imam-Hamdani-Ja-Ba-Ja) 2 1 2019 pakistan 1
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845Awesome pics OP but try to post an album instead of making separate threads for each picture, it needlessly clutters the sub. 2 1 2019 pakistan 1
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847What have you been listening to this week? Please share it as this is our weekly music thread!  2 1 2019 pakistan 1
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849Well the movie industry doesn’t really churn out much content but there are many dramas that depict Hindus. 
850
851One you can check out is [Seeta Bagri](https://youtu.be/n9DC0mzYj2c) which is entirely based around Hindu characters. You can judge if it’s a fair portrayal. 1 1 2019 pakistan 1
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853The greatest threat to Muslims are “well meaning” charlatans like you. Your grandstanding is worth absolutely nothing to the betterment of the impoverished and only serves the purpose of the entities that craft the narratives you regurgitate.
854
855Too high on moral superiority and low on pragmatism, essentially what has been the ideological handicap of the Muslim world. The very thing that western powers exploit when it’s useful and chastise us for when they are ready to discard.
856
857Everything that challenges economic growth and the steady ascendency of its citizens’ quality of life is a threat to China. That includes impoverished low skilled Muslims from a less developed region that they are pouring billions into to catch it up with the rest of the country. 
858
859Should they let entities with conflicting interests take advantage of an easily impressionable minority to sabotage the betterment of millions of Muslims? I mean do you think all of Pakistan would be struggling right now if we had gotten our heads out of our asses and provided institutional tools for at risk youths to acquire a trade so they wouldn’t join up terrorist organizations? In the end we had to send troops into our own regions to kill our own people to fix that problem! 
860
861I’d rather what China is doing right now than let the problem fester, create instability, and solve it by pumping money into the military industrial complex. 1 1 2019 pakistan 1
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863Muslims are literally being slaughtered in large parts of the world, Islam in Pakistan has completely lost its ethos since the war on terror and this is what you’re mad about? 
864
865Western powers will NEVER want the betterment of Muslims and only use them as pawns of meat to die as their political fodder.
866
867They see a competent leader trying to uplift their material conditions so they are self sufficient and not prone to western puppeteering and they will go into overdrive to smear them.
868
869It’s not a coincidence that the most liberal head of state we’ve had in our history is portrayed as a right wing extremist in western media and China is portrayed as some totalitarian regime with concentration camps. 
870
871Grow up and stop being jazbati. 1 1 2019 pakistan 1
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873If he solves the 4 aforementioned issues terrorism seizes to exist. 
874
875It’s why China is putting under skilled Muslims into vocational camps, give people a skill and tools to improve their material conditions and they won’t have any incentive to turn to terrorism. 
876
877As for the immediate threats the military is well equipped to handle those. 1 1 2019 pakistan 1
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879Lol I did that cause it was a cringe thread that was literally only gonna attract shitposting, are you gonna accuse me of being anti-China? 
880
881I've been accused of being pro-China as well by others on the sub because I've deleted simillar such threads going the other way. 
882
883We have a circlejerk sub for this specific reason so you guys can have your fun over there.
884
885 31 12 2018 pakistan 1
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887Lol what mod doesn’t speak Urdu?  31 12 2018 pakistan 3
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889Would you rather a hard working expat who contributes to the forex through remittances be mod or a land grabbing feudal who’s just usurping resources living in Pakistan? 
890
891If someone is willing to do a free and thankless job of moderating the sub they are clearly invested in the betterment of the country. 
892
893Your concerns are misplaced and unfounded. 31 12 2018 pakistan 3
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895That's against reddit rules.  31 12 2018 pakistan 2
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897>Mods should not ban or warn users accordingly to their bias. I have seen cases where mods were misusing their powers against pmln or mqm supporters.
898
899Do you have any proof of this or just a feeling you have?
900
901> Latest example is karachimqm who got banned for 15 days for saying "ulo ka patha". Pathetic behaviour by the mod was pointed out by the community and then the ban was reduced.
902
903That was after repeated use of profane language and making threats to users, in most cases that's a permaban.
904
905>Also mods should make a clear stand on indians. Either allow indians fully or ban indians fully or auto perma ban users of bakchodi sub.
906
907There is no ban on Indian's, only on people who derail threads and don't participate in good faith. I think there's been a lot of improvement on that front.  
908
909>Also this year i want a change to auto banning of users active in bakchodi, abcdesi and exmuslims sub.
910
911No.
912
913>Also this is year i want reduction in mod team by removal of expat mods and introduction of those mods living in pakistan. Also those mods joining should give full proof that they live in pakistan e.g by showing their cnic, location etc. to senior most mod. Certain things should also be required e.g be fluent in urdu.
914
915No.
916
917>Another thing i want is automod should become somewhat more lenient and some swearing words should be allowed. 
918
919No.
920 31 12 2018 pakistan 1
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922No, quit being a nagger.  31 12 2018 pakistan 8
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924>Aren't people more likely just to up upvote posts they find agreeable, thus promoting bias. (I know i do).
925
926Well yeah that's true but I'm talking about increasing the frequency of upvoting in general, upvoting things that you might be passive about but it still adds to the sub. Because if you go down the list of posts on the sub right now almost all of them are 50% upvoted due to someone downvoting literally everything en-masse on the sub. 
927
928>As an individual who does not enjoy mainstream social media platforms i.e Facebook, Twitter etc. Reddit is really a breath of fresh air because of it's diverse yet unique user base and I'd like it's growth to be more natural and not forced.
929
930Word of mouth is the most organic approach, the mods will ensure that the quality of discourse doesn't take a hit but we really need to grow our numbers in general. 
931
932>Do something about automod pls.
933
934It's quite tricky but we are always approving posts the get caught in the filter accidentally. Automod is somewhat flawed but helpful tool.  31 12 2018 pakistan 5
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936You can find episodes on Dailymotion  30 12 2018 pakistan -2
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938I’m guessing cause they’ve clearly poured a lot of money into Aangan with the stacked cast and top shelf production value. Gotta make sure it’s a hit so they recoup that. 
939
940And I will! I really like measured the writing and lack of usual melodrama.  30 12 2018 pakistan -1
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942LOL "Fellow Aryans"
943
944and yet we are wanna be Arabs lol
945
946We can all guess who made this. lol  30 12 2018 pakistan 19
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948Yeah, it really is an amazing show! I like that even the protagonist is flawed to a certain degree. 
949
950I also really appreciate the set design and how eclectic the whole show is while still being bound to reality. I mean what other show has a half woman half fox transgender character? lol 30 12 2018 pakistan 1
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952I have no idea if you're a woman or not, could be a gay guy for all I care all I know is that your comments and attitude are vile.  30 12 2018 ABCDesis 1
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954Lol you really need to work on self-awareness.
955
956You attract the kind of shit you put out into the world, you stereotyping lunatic.  30 12 2018 ABCDesis 2
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958So you're judging all Pakistani's cause some guy you dated was unhygienic?
959
960What a catch you must be. 30 12 2018 ABCDesis 3
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962[Link for watching on Netflix.](https://www.netflix.com/title/80080145)
963
964[This 'every frame a painting-esque' analysis I found on YouTube does a better job of explaing the nuances of this film.](https://youtu.be/18BGh1bDTww)  30 12 2018 movies 1
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966Just had very fetishist views towards Muslim guys, In college, I came across many such Indian girls that would come to the US for studies and would wanna sleep with a Pakistani guy however for all the wrong reasons. 
967
968I mean she would say things like how her parents wouldn't even share cutlery with a Muslim and that made being with me more exciting for her.  30 12 2018 ABCDesis 2
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970Dated a really shitty Indian girl for a while, don't judge all Indians because of that because I'm a decent human being. 
971
972Perhaps it wasn't just him that was the issue sweetie. 30 12 2018 ABCDesis 5
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974>One thing I have noticed common in many Pakistanis that they don't seem to acknowledge the terrorist attacks of India. Dawood is a big deal for us, I am from Mumbai and lost 3 different acquaintances in 3 respective attacks ( 92, 2006, 2008 ) but they seem to take it very lightly Once in a family conversation my ex really casually said " we should give these poor guys this Dawood back ", I think that moment really brought out the "afterall you are a Pakistani" in me
975
976Same with Indians tbh, many don't even know about the Samjhota Express bombings because Pakistani's don't hold it over their heads every two minutes. And they downplay the role of Indian backed terrorists that kill Punjabi's and Sindhi's in Balochistan. I mean the attacker of the Chinese Embassy in Karachi was getting medical treatment in India before he was killed in Afghanistan last week. 
977
978I have met many decent Indians who have the capacity of objectivity but many are bigots like you who think Pakistani's are savages and Indians are the paragons of virtue. 30 12 2018 ABCDesis 0
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980/r/iamverysmart  30 12 2018 pakistan 3
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982Stop being over dramatic, Pakistan has always had a defense-oriented military and foreign policy strategy. 
983
984I don't think you've noticed but our foreign office has been making many proactive overtures to normalize relations on our eastern and western borders.
985
986Best way to curb external threats is to be strong domestically, I'm happy that this government realizes that.    30 12 2018 pakistan 7
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988PTI only has one core issue, alleviating poverty.
989
990Peace with all our neighbors works in favor of that so they will always pursue it. 
991
992The only price Pakistan puts on it is sovereign integrity, which India will never agree to due to its innate imperialist designs in the region and wanting to be a bullish hegemon, so it doesn't hurt them to keep calling their bluff. 30 12 2018 pakistan 5
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994Daddy dropping fax in those Hush Puppies with cushioned soles for extra heel support ????? 30 12 2018 pakistan 12
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996Can’t wait to watch Cake, unfortunately it wasn’t playing anywhere close to me. I hope it gets a digital release soon! 
997
998Sanam Saeed and Amina Sheikh are both such brilliant actresses. 29 12 2018 ABCDesis 1
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1000It's mostly in Urdu with a little bit of Pashto thrown in, and yes it's available on Netflix in the US with subtitles.  29 12 2018 ABCDesis 14
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1002[Link if you'd like to watch on Netflix.](https://www.netflix.com/title/80080145)
1003
1004[This brilliant analysis I found on YouTube really brought home just how brilliant this movie was.](https://youtu.be/18BGh1bDTww)  29 12 2018 bollywood 3
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1006[Link for watching on Netflix.](https://www.netflix.com/title/80080145)
1007
1008[This analysis I found on YouTube really brought home just how brilliant this movie was.](https://youtu.be/18BGh1bDTww)  29 12 2018 ABCDesis 8
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1010If South Africa are so good then how come they couldn't get Hasan Ali out even once this whole game, huh? 27 12 2018 Cricket 36
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1012>Don't give me BS about Wehshi Jatt novel, it was written in the times of Zia-Ul-Haq when Pakistan gave Religious preachers a lot of power
1013
1014Lol you are so hell-bent on adhering to your assumption that Muslims are evil and uncivilized that you won't even let facts get in the way of your bigotry. 
1015
1016>Rising Punjab doesn't care about Premchand
1017
1018Maybe they should, he was one of the greatest storytellers of his time. Maybe that's why the state of folk culture is what it is in "rising Punjab".
1019
1020> We also have Jatt movies since the 1970s, Guggu Gill
1021
1022Man it's beyond hilarious that you don't see Gujju **GILL** as evil Sikh propaganda but **MAULA** Jatt is bad cause it sounds Muslim. lol
1023
1024Have you perhaps ever thought that it isn't Pakistanis that are inundated with propaganda but that it is your upbringing that has forced you to have such a skewed worldview that you are literally unable to account for your own biases. 
1025
1026I mean Zia-ul-Haq is unanimously reviled in Pakistan but it seems "rising Punjab" is flirting with fascist ideologies in the current era. It's quite evident what an effect it's having on the psyche of its populace by the lack of nuance in your arguments. 
1027
1028I'm gonna chose to not further waste my time on this.  27 12 2018 punjabi 2
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1030Not really perceiving it as anything as I was genuinely confused as to what your point was. Which to be honest I'm still completely not sure about.
1031
1032You are making a cultural critique based on a trailer about a movie that is a self-proclaimed fantasy epic. The only aspects of tradition it adheres to are tied to a cult classic movie released in the late '70s that people revere ironically.
1033
1034Your whole diatribe seems forced and kind of pointless? Are you triggered that his name is Maula Jatt? And are you implying that this is due to some concerted effort to "foce feed" Islam by Muslims? lol 
1035
1036The whole narrative of Maula Jatt was inspired by a novel penned by Ahmad Nadeem Qasmi, a short story author who wrote it primarily about rural life in Gujranawala in the early 70's. 
1037
1038If the point of contention is that he used a "Muslim name", which is a ridiculous claim as the story was a sequel to *Wehshi Jatt* which should tell you how much it relies on religious themes, I think you should also know that his contemporary from the other side of the border Premchand was most famous for his novels Kisna and Prema.
1039
1040Stop looking for ways to assert your own perceived magnanimity in the most inane things, it reeks of insecurity. Not everything is an affront to your identity.   27 12 2018 punjabi 4
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1042How is it a dilemma? You realize most Punjabis are Muslim right? 27 12 2018 punjabi 6
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1044I’m sure he’s not laughing that he got out, why would he be happy about failing at his job? 
1045
1046Batsmen have all kinds of quirks they do to downplay an appeal or disagree with a decision, this seems to be Imam’s. 
1047
1048Pretty innocuous stuff.  26 12 2018 Cricket 5
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1050Not really, he deserves his place. This whole nephew thing is overblown, Imam puts a price on his wicket and scored runs in the warm up match to secure his position as opener.  26 12 2018 Cricket 24
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1052There is a really strong independent music scene in Pakistan, with musicians panning across genre's putting out some amazing stuff, but unfortunately these artists have a hard time reaching an audience. 
1053
1054We should take the initiative to support local artists and promote their music so this artistry can be sustainable and further add to the already rich tradition of music in Pakistan. 
1055
1056Every week we will focus on one particular song that we think should be highlighted and the r/Pakistan user base can give their critique on it and also recommend similar music or share some stuff they are listening to that week. 26 12 2018 pakistan 1
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1058That innings by Babar was some of the most exciting test cricket I've seen in a while. 
1059
1060I personally love pitches like these that let the special talents float to the top.  
1061 26 12 2018 Cricket 3
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1063Today we are all his sons.
1064
1065Merry Christmas 26 12 2018 Cricket 6
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1067*Shaheen teri parwaz se jalta he zamana*
1068
1069*Tu quwwat-e-baazu se isy aur hawa dy*
1070
1071Translation:
1072
1073Lets see some short stuff, Shaheen! 26 12 2018 Cricket 2
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1075You have been temporarily banned from participating in r/Pakistan for repeated use of profane language and making personal attacks.  25 12 2018 pakistan 1
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1077Lol Pakistan has never had state sponsored pogroms against a minority community like India does every few years. 
1078
1079Let me know when that constitution of yours stops your populace from electing religious fundamentalists to the highest positions of power.
1080
1081Speaking off cosmetics it seems your delusions of living in an egalitarian society is the only thing that is a fabrication. 
1082
1083I mean most Pakistanis, including the Prime Minister, at least realize that there is a problem with injustice in the country. India is headed towards a path of such delusion that you are not even allowed to bring up issues without being attacked by a mob of rabid chauvinists.
1084
1085Good luck getting that glorified PR agency that’s running your country to even issue a statement reprimanding mob lynchings of Muslims. lol  25 12 2018 pakistan -1
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1087I think he very clearly is cleaning his own house. 
1088
1089He arrested a mob 3000 people for opposing Asia Bibi’s acquittal, shouldn’t you focus on the fact that mobs like that can kill Muslims in India and then kill cops who investigate the killing and then get implicit support from the federal government? 
1090
1091I’m proud that the man in the highest position at least recognizes that there are deep structural injustices that effect religious minorities in Pakistan, you should be doing some soul searching that the man in charge in your country not only benefits from such injustices but got elected for killing minorities and then being unapologetic about it to appease the rabid populous.
1092
1093I don’t think you have any place to lecture Pakistanis about anything.  25 12 2018 pakistan 24
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1095>	Positions the improvement of minority rights as a competition with India
1096
1097>	Neutralizes all the mullahs who will appose such progress by painting them as working against the state
1098
1099>	Watches Indians hopelessly defend their rabid and increasingly fanatical Hinudu Nationalist government
1100
1101**Khan, stop it! We cant keep up with this 5D Ludo** 25 12 2018 pakistan 4
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1103Umm i don’t give a fuck about Indian Muslims.. lol 
1104
1105I want Khan to improve the treatment of minorities in Pakistan. 
1106
1107All his speeches are for public consumption, Indians getting triggered is just a fun sideshow. 23 12 2018 pakistan 5
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1109My guy, no one gives a shit about India. 
1110
1111Pakistan has internal issues with intolerance, Khan is just trying to use unconventional methods to drag the backwards public forward. If enmity against India can be used to improve situation for minorities in Pakistan then I welcome it.
1112
1113India is a basket case as is it doesn't really matter what happens there, he will always be the villain there. I mean the current Indian PM was elected on the back of how many Muslims he massacred, literally a fringe violent party is in charge there. 23 12 2018 pakistan 8
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1115Lol not a PTI fanboy, also who cares if it makes him look bad? I don't think you realize that he's not a megalomaniac who cares more about optics than structural improvements, like a certain other South Asian leader. 
1116
1117His audience is local jazbati Muslims who can only be mobilized to work towards a more inclusive society if they see it as a competition against a rival state. 
1118
1119Minorities in India need to say bad things about Pakistan to ensure their safety, they are under constant pressure to prove their loyalty. That is a useless barometer to measure if something is a master stroke or not. lol 23 12 2018 pakistan 8
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1121Hmm so is he agreeing that Muslims are an oppressed minority? lol
1122
1123Also this is another master stroke by Khan, by pitting our treatment of minorities against India’s he’s made it into a dick measuring contest about who can be more tolerant.
1124
1125He’s using the petty South Asian model of politics for good. 23 12 2018 pakistan 3
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1127With all due respect, he was very careful to refer to it as Bangladesh in it's current iteration but it would be historically amiss for him to not use the term East and West Pakistan when speaking on matters that precede 1971. 
1128
1129Also, I can understand the emotional outburst but one must not put the cart before the horse. Isn't it more significant that he is saying this in front of a crowd that by your assumptions doesn't recognize these atrocities? 
1130
1131I'm sure he will tout a similar tone if or when he visits Bangladesh, so your outrage is rather premature and misplaced.  23 12 2018 bangladesh 12
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1133Umm he was only a normal pedophile, totally blown out of proportion! /s 22 12 2018 pakistan 8
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1135Are you seriously calling it ethnic cleansing because the Indian state readily relocated them due to a series of targeted attacks. That is offensive to communities that have faced actual ethnic cleansing. 
1136
1137I mean would characterize the numerically superior killings of Sikhs and Muslims across India as ethnic cleansing? Or no because they don’t have the means to relocate enmasse? 
1138
1139Your claim is further weakened by the fact that Pandits are slowly moving back to the valley. 22 12 2018 pakistan 5
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1141What is a normal racist? lol
1142
1143He espoused horribly racist and casteist ideas all the way to his deathbed. It’s not blown out of proportion when that kind of codified stratification is still present in the people he influenced. 22 12 2018 pakistan 2
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1145Ethnic cleansing is a hilarious mischracterizatron of the small scale violence and attacks the Pandits went through. 
1146
1147You are implying that the Indian state had any intention of affording justice to the Kashmiris, when in fact the violence against the Pandits was a reaction to the continued oppression by the Indian state against Kashmiri Muslims. 22 12 2018 pakistan 5
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1149That critique is had and welcomed, how many in India are even allowed to critique the treatment of Muslims in Kashmir though?
1150
1151There wasn’t an ounce of outcry or condemnation when the Indian state purged the Muslim aristocracy of Junagadh by slaughtering Muslims enmasse to annex the poor Hindu underclass. They don’t even teach about those massacres in India.
1152
1153Yet Indians like you can’t seem to stop talking about violence directed towards a small minority of Hindu Pandits, who are now even being welcomed back to the valley. 22 12 2018 pakistan 6
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1155>simply because they are apparently more successful
1156
1157It wasn't by happenstance they were more successful, they were a designated comprador class by the Dogra empire and then the Indian state to make sure that the Muslim peasantry was kept in check.  
1158
1159It is more akin to the animosity and violence black South Africans delt towards the white upper class who implicitly benefited from the apartheid regime.  22 12 2018 pakistan 10
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1161English Translation: 
1162
1163Look, in my lifetime we lost East Pakistan. 
1164
1165**East Pakistan was the place where there was unanimous support for the creation of Pakistan in 1947. They yearned for the state of Pakistan.**
1166
1167And I remember when I went to Dhaka to play an exhibition match against India, it had been about 18 years since the creation of Bangladesh and there was still a lot of anger towards West Pakistan, and yet when we won that game it felt as if I had won a game in Lahore. 
1168
1169The whole stadium in Dhaka was chanting "Pakistan Zindabad", and as our bus was traveling towards the hotel there were people along the road applauding us. 
1170
1171**So then why did the separate from us? This is a thing we must understand, there is a reason why a group of people chose to be part of a country. And that reason, which is most paramount as to why an individual or a region joins a country, is summed up in just one word, Justice.**
1172
1173When a nation gives individuals justice they want to be a part of that nation, because who needs justice? It is the weak that need justice, to protect them from the atrocities of the powerful. It's the same for regions as well, when an entire region doesn't receive justice it is what promotes disconcertment and eventually secession. 
1174
1175**That is what the people of East Pakistan said, that they are not receiving justice, and they said it repeatedly but they were ignored. And then slowly that movement demanding justice turned into a movement for rights and then finally they decided to secede.**
1176
1177So we have to learn from this, a nation, an individual, or an institution can only move forward if they learn from their mistakes. Because if you don't learn from the past you are bound to repeat the same missteps.  22 12 2018 bangladesh 25
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1179[Link to the whole talk.](https://youtu.be/T15bV7iaiRE)
1180
1181Surprisingly enough Africans are also waking up to the racist views of the founding father of India espoused by him during his stay in South Africa, as students in Ghana brought down the statue of Mahatma Gandhi tactlessly gifted to the country by the Indian government.   22 12 2018 pakistan 10
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1183looks like they got that fence built just in time then!  21 12 2018 pakistan 9
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1185You can post this on the thread of the movies trailer it doesn’t require a new post, please try to cut down on low effort posts that clutter the sub. 21 12 2018 pakistan 1
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1187They both have a following amongst fans of Bollywood due to previous work.
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1189I can delete it if you'd like, thought there would be interest for it on this sub. 
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1192ok dis hard.  21 12 2018 pakistan 7
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1194Man the acting was really natural and convincing, and the dialogues didn't seem like they were forced to elicit an emotional response from the audience. 
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1196Your work has a lot of authenticity, and that is really hard to achieve.  21 12 2018 pakistan 7
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1198I always look at it in the same sense you look at strategic depth in militaristic terms. If a state has a lot of physical distance between its core areas and combatants it has the leisure of making more calculated and nuanced maneuvers. 
1199
1200But just like how we lack that distance militarily, forcing us to use more unconventional methods and take more collateral damage to achieve successes we lack that depth in the sphere of information warfare as well.
1201
1202Where the west can put up more smoke and mirrors and give the illusion of an independent press due to there being institutional distance between the government and the media, it is quite apparent that they enjoy a symbiotic relationship. 
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1204I think Noam Chomsky’s, ‘Manufactured Consent’ famously illustrates just how compromised the western media is. The Pakistani establishment wishes it could replicate that kind of control.  20 12 2018 pakistan 2
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1206Sir screen ki brightness barhaein lagta hai apko uski tareqi mein apna aqs nazar a raha hai. 20 12 2018 pakistan 6
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1208App sirf baatein khapne wali phuppiyon jaise tanziya comments hi likhte hain ya kabhi koi akal ki baat bhi karte hain? 
1209
1210Just like how if I criticize Israel and white supremacist criticize Israel, doesn’t make me a white supremacist.
1211
1212In the same vein me criticizing an obviously compromised western media doesn’t make me similar trump supporter as you are suggesting.  20 12 2018 pakistan 6
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1214Absolute conjecture with no facts provided, I think western media is getting ridiculously sloppy with their propaganda these days. 
1215
1216In the past they would do some groundwork first to construct a narrative but these days they are just grasping at straws to present normal phenomenons such as austerity measures by the government as some grand conspiracy against “universal liberal values” 
1217
1218Loving this last ditch effort by a decaying civilization trying to cling on to its hegemony. 20 12 2018 pakistan 9
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1220Oh ok so it was just a bigoted comment trying to discredit my opinion by alluding to my ethnicity as if that’s somehow supposed to discredit me.  20 12 2018 ABCDesis 8
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1222Are you making a point or is this a juvenile attempt at whataboutism?  20 12 2018 ABCDesis 8
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1224Who is the greatest rapper in Pakistan currently?  18 12 2018 pakistan -3
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1226>Yet we complain like little cucks when India brings up our involvement in Kashmir.
1227
1228What kind of strawman argument is this?
1229
1230>That's some top level bullshit. ICC toh cholay bechta hay.
1231
1232Is this a joke? The ICC, despite its important sounding name, literally has no jurisdiction over countries that have their own functioning judicial systems. Lemme know when being tried by the ICC is any kind of worthwhile deterrent in the international sphere.  18 12 2018 pakistan 2
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1234lol what muslim nation? islam as a personal ideology is fine and pakistan as a state caters to its cultural traditions but to ascribe to some notion of islamic nationalism is quite foolish. 
1235
1236if you as an individual agree to benefit off the apparatus of a specific state but profess stronger loyalty to some other entity is by definition treasonous. 
1237
1238there are organizations that fight for the notion of a borderless muslim nation, you can join them and see the fate pakistan deals you.  18 12 2018 pakistan 4
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1240No rather chose to be pragmatic and not lose sight of the only principle that guides international relations, shared interests. 
1241
1242Stop living in this delusion that there is any such thing as morality in statecraft. You can chose to live your life by your own moral code but states are compelled to act on the behalf of their self interest. 
1243
1244There is injustice in the world because there is no grand order and if you want Pakistan to be beholden to some arbitrary set of principles just know that it is to the betterment of its detractors, because I’m not sure if you’ve noticed but even states who claim to be paragons of virtue historically have the most blood on their hands.  17 12 2018 pakistan 17
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1246BUT BUTTTT WHAT ABOUT THE KURDISH???!
1247
1248-jazbati r/Pakistani commenter parroting a western narrative naive to its hypocrisy  17 12 2018 pakistan 15
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1250Some Pakistani rap acts from these BBC live sessions: 
1251
1252[Clap - Talal Qureshi Feat. Faris Shafi](https://youtu.be/Do3v9yy_d3I)
1253
1254[Jonny - Lyari Underground](https://youtu.be/yXFFjoN8GqI) 17 12 2018 hiphopheads 7
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1256Kashmir is legit my favorite band out rn, probably the only desi male act that uses so many falsettos.  
1257
1258More acts from these live sessions: 
1259
1260[Clap - Talal Qureshi Feat. Farish Shafi](https://youtu.be/Do3v9yy_d3I)
1261
1262[Jonny - Lyari Underground](https://youtu.be/yXFFjoN8GqI) 17 12 2018 ABCDesis 4
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1264TDLR:  *(smol men)* **//** ***[BIG OFFICES]***  11 12 2018 pakistan 6
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1266>The commentary from Pakistan seems to suggest that this stance is Modi’s and not India’s.
1267
1268I just love how the hawkish establishment in India thinks they can still control the narrative through propaganda, this isn't the same era where you can manufacture public consensus through jingoistic Bollywood movies and a hilariously compromised news media. 
1269
1270You can not keep shaping public opinion through conventional means, I mean you probably can in a largely poor country with low access to information but as that access to information gets democratized at an alarming rate it will be a rude awakening for people like you. 
1271
1272I mean even you don't genuinely believe what you are saying and damn well know it's a position you've cornered yourself into. I'm sure in other company you must boast about the unconventional tactics Indian intelligence utilizes to achieve strategic advantages over Pakistan. Off course an intelligent person like you must realize that under an anarchic world order any rational state must pursue their self-interest over all else and that morality takes a back seat to statecraft. 
1273
1274Your absolute hypocrisy is not amiss on most Pakistani's because they can see right through your charade of moral absolutism. So why do you cling to the assumption that there aren't level-headed Indians who can ascertain the same? That yes both states are culpable of morally dubious behavior, but it serves our greater self-interest to reconcile those issues. 
1275
1276Maybe not today but who's to say 20-30 years down when wealth inequality continues to grow in India and the populous finally gets tired of their inefficient and corrupt government apparatus working for the vested interests of a few instead of masses, they welcome rhetoric that puts the needs of the common man first. 
1277
1278I mean Pakistan has already reached that point, the people have given a consensus that the policies of the past have been an utter failure and brought us to the brink of absolute calamity. 
1279
1280They don't want any kind of idealism anymore, they want a pragmatic government that doesn't sell narratives but is only focused on bringing about material change for the masses. 
1281
1282There might still be an appetite in India for these grand stories of a historied past and future global power aspirations, and I'm sure people like you who have benefited from the recent economic upturn will sell them as gospel. 
1283
1284But the large swathes of people who are struggling to survive, that you conveniently don't even see, are bound to realize that maybe the people shelling out non-recoupable tax money on statues of dead men while farmers kill themselves in fields nearby and the corrupt military-industrial complex that procures equipment at astronomically overpriced contracts through private companies is probably lying to them about external threats being their biggest concern. 
1285
1286I think certain segments of your country are already realizing that normalizing relations are only antithetical to the interests of those who wish to consolidate power through nefarious means, and I think you're doing a disservice to your own countrymen if you think more won't also confirm their viewpoints upon being confronted with new perspective from the other side. 11 12 2018 pakistan 5
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1288Can’t sustain the enmity if there’s people to people contact, smart move.  9 12 2018 pakistan 13
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1290[Has to be this one. ](https://youtu.be/kmqQZetm_iE)
1291
1292Worked a lot on being more emotionally intelligent this year, found a few people really close to me were dealing with mental health issues and I had no idea. 8 12 2018 pakistan 2
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1294This is peak Pakistan. 8 12 2018 pakistan 5
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1296There’s a lot of comments that you never see due to them being deleted efficiently, I would encourage you to report any comments that devolve into name calling so we can do a better job at moderating. 
1297
1298As far as bias is concerned we try to account for it but at the end of the day we are all humans, if you think PTI supporters are disparaging other political parties in an undignified manner please report it and it will surely be removed. 
1299
1300The mod team is comprised of people who hold very diverse ideologies so I can assure you there isn’t a concerted effort against any particular entity. 7 12 2018 pakistan 2
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1302Please speak the truth without generalizing or labeling entire nations as “munafiq” or “namak haram”.
1303
1304We would like to move away from that kind of reactionary and undignified discourse. This is not r/The_Donald or r/India. 
1305
1306You can have political disagreements with people without going that extra step to denigrate them. 
1307
1308Please keep the spirit of civility while participating on the sub.  7 12 2018 pakistan 10
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1310>casteism is pretty much classism in India
1311
1312That has not been my experience and certainly not what others are saying on this thread either but whatever floats your boat.
1313 5 12 2018 ABCDesis 0
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1315Nah more like r/geopolitics
1316
1317[I suggest you watch this lecture by John J Mearsheimer at the Yale University to understand what American foreign policy objectives have been since the cold war.](https://youtu.be/ESwIVY2oimI)
1318
1319Its not that difficult to ascertain what specific developments are designed to achieve once you identify the larger incentives. Thats basically how you can theorize anything related to international relations. 5 12 2018 pakistan 5
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1321It’s not even close to being as codified and rigid in Pakistani society, I can’t speak on whatever your experiences are as an Indian Muslim.
1322
1323Sikhism and Islam both vehemently reject these practices but off course since practitioners of both religions in South Asia have Hindu ancestors certain practices will seep through. 
1324
1325Classism exists all around the world but I was genuinely shocked by seeing casteism at play in the United States in this day and age. 
1326
1327And yeah no wonder most Dalits I’ve come across in the US have converted to Islam or Christianity to escape that cycle of subjugation.  5 12 2018 ABCDesis 1
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1329Because the United States has no real exit strategy in Afghanistan, they just want it on record that Pakistan was invited on this “peace process” so when it inevitably falls through due to them acting in bad faith and continuously killing Taliban leaders when Pakistan brings them to the negotiating table they have a convenient scapegoat yet again.
1330
1331It’s an open secret what the United States designs are for this region and peace and stability is certainly not the main priority. 5 12 2018 pakistan 6
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1333As a Pakistani there's quite a bit of overlap with North Indian culture but I was quite baffled when I saw two young Indians roasting each other about the difference in the spelling of their last names. They were both variations of Kapoor and both of them were calling the other fake and making fun of their fathers professions. 
1334
1335Off course these were college educated individuals who would tell you caste doesn't exist in India anymore and all that other good stuff but it was a nice snapshot into just how pervasive this kind of stratification is, which I totally wasn't aware of as a Pakistani. 5 12 2018 ABCDesis 10
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1337[Heres a Punjabi track by them](https://youtu.be/w8nPOYE7nFI) 4 12 2018 pakistan 2
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1339They have a few other tracks out too and I heard they are doing the music for Sarmad Khoosats next film. 4 12 2018 pakistan 1
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1341Cheating requires intent you walnut, trying to remodel the LEGAL action you had your whole career after they change the way they measure a bend is not cheating. 
1342
1343Your moral outrage doesn’t take into account how bio-mechanics work. 4 12 2018 Cricket 13
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1345There is a really strong independent music scene in Pakistan, with musicians panning across genre's putting out some amazing stuff, but unfortunately these artists have a hard time reaching an audience. 
1346
1347We should take the initiative to support local artists and promote their music so this artistry can be sustainable and further add to the already rich tradition of music in Pakistan. 
1348
1349Every week we will focus on one particular song that we think should be highlighted and the r/Pakistan user base can give their critique on it and also recommend similar music or share some stuff they are listening to that week. 4 12 2018 pakistan 1
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1351PML-N essentially subsidized the extravagant lifestyles of the uber rich by making the entire country foot the bill for their expenditures. 
1352
1353No poor sob took advantage of that artificially pegged rupee but instead people importing BMW’s and financing their kids lifestyle abroad got a nice kick back.
1354
1355How they haven’t been hung at the stake through a violent revolution is still beyond me, they treated the nation like a personal fiefdom.  4 12 2018 pakistan 14
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1357Literally every nation takes the advice of its armed forces in matters of foreign policy. But in Pakistan that relationship is a bit skewed due to our precarious location and lack of strategic depth. 
1358
1359I think it's quite clear that PTI realises that the Army is not against the interests of the nation it defends and the Army realizes that PTI leadership isn't making deals for their own vested interests. 
1360
1361The historical schism within our institutions is caused by the various conflict of interests that have existed in our leadership but I think due to the push for increased accountability these issues will soon be a relic of the past.  4 12 2018 pakistan 10
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1363My Punjabi ancestry has existed much longer than any of the nation states you listed, so it’s disingenuous for you to claim that’s its recent.
1364
1365I think you are having trouble with the concept of nationality and ethnicity. Your grandfathers nationality did change in the middle of his life because he migrated to a new nation, just like your fathers nationality changed from Pakistani to American when he migrated to the west.
1366
1367There’s a shared history between Punjabi’s in the diaspora, and on the subcontinent. That is a shared culture for me, but beyond that I don’t have any affinity or ties to the rest of South Asia. My identity, customs, language are much too different to be lumped in with a South Indian from Chennai or a Bangladeshi from Sylhet. 
1368
1369I am not of “Indian descent” as India as a nation state has existed only as recently as my fathers birth. My ancestry is of Punjabi’s who lived under the rule of the Mughal’s, Raja Ranjit Singh, the British and before my birth came under the purview of the two nation states known as India and Pakistan.
1370
1371So just like how there have been varying kingdoms and nations of people who have formed and lived under various governance systems based on shared interests in the past, that trend continues. National identity doesn’t erase your cultural identity, we preach that in the United States so why don’t we hold the same standard when discussing South Asia?
1372
1373You wouldn’t tell an African American that they should not hold their hyphenated identity in high regard in favor of a broad American solidarity. So why push this backwards ass narrative with desi identity? 
1374
1375The point is to create harmony DESPITE your differences not to look past the differences and erase minority cultures and identity in favor a hegemony by the majority.  3 12 2018 ABCDesis -4
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1377I think I get more annoyed by desi people who peddle the ‘we are all from the same country’ stuff more than white people who are genuinely ignorant about people from that part of the world.
1378
1379South Asia is a very diverse place and all people should be afforded the dignity to claim their sovereign identities without being engulfed by a hegemonic sphere.
1380
1381I make sure I correct white people when they mistake me for anything other than a Punjabi Pakistani, and I make sure I correct desi people as well when they wanna give me some ‘kumbaya it doesn’t matter we’re all from the same country’ bs too.  3 12 2018 ABCDesis 7
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1383Watching it right now, they aren't softball questions and Khan is being put in tight spots. Don't think these were provided before hand. 3 12 2018 pakistan 8
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1385Damn letting the countries most popular news people from across varying television networks question you in front of cameras is some boss ass shit.
1386
1387How many countries can claim to have a PM that will do that in 2018?
1388 3 12 2018 pakistan 29
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1390This post has to be locked due to brigading from other subs it was linked to. 
1391
1392It’s sad Sikhs or Pakistanis can not discuss their internal matters without interference from outside sources. 
1393
1394Apologize to OP for having to curb the discussion. 2 12 2018 pakistan 1
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1396This post has been locked due to OP brigading and also masquerading as a Pakistani, but since there is some good discussion on the thread it is being allowed to stay up.
1397
1398OP will be banned for duplicitous behavior. 2 12 2018 pakistan 1
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1400You have been banned from posting in r/Pakistan for breaking the subreddit rules.
1401
1402Please refrain from hate-mongering and/or using derogatory remarks against a persons religion. These kind of xenophobic views are not tolerated. 2 12 2018 pakistan 5
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1404Because of Bhutto, she made a deal with Rajiv Gandhi to stop support for the Sikh insurgency in exchange for India removing troops from Siachin. However, despite Pakistan upholding its end of the bargain, India didn't do what it promised. 
1405
1406I think these kinds of blunders by the civilian government in trusting that the Indian government will act in good faith towards Pakistan is what has made the army apprehensive in letting them make further deals with them.
1407
1408As far as the Indian government being proud of population change and mass killings to reach their objective, just today the [Chief Minister of one of the largest states in India harkened back to the genocide of Hyderabad in which the India state forcibly annexed territory by slaughtering 200,000 Muslims.](https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1069162473197064194) 
1409
1410I think the best bet for Sikhs is to continue to gain political relevancy in the lands they fled to in 1984 after the Indian government's genocide against them. And then demand rights for the Sikhs back home who are too afraid to speak their mind in fear of being picked up or killed in false encounters. 
1411
1412I think the Pakistani deep state has its hands full with Afghanistan and making sure India doesn't gain any further ground in Balochistan after their network of terrorists was busted with Kulbhusan Yadav's apprehension.  2 12 2018 pakistan 18
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1414Fury got up from that knockdown on some WWE Undertaker type shit. 
1415
1416Wtf was that. 2 12 2018 Boxing 6
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1418Ok... ? Do you have anything worthwhile to say or are you gonna continue treating reddit like your drawing room and keep alluding to knowing more than we both know you actually do.  30 11 2018 pakistan 5
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1420Hey buddy, never implied he was in jail. 30 11 2018 pakistan 2
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1422These people aren’t charged with anything either, how about we wait for facts before we start peddling baseless theories and acting like there is some grand conspiracy going on. 30 11 2018 pakistan 6
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1424Did you miss the part where Rizvi got apprehended or are you just totally ignoring that little bit cause it doesn’t fit in your preconceived narrative? 30 11 2018 pakistan 13
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1426Tbh I can see the difference in opinion on this, do you focus on cutting absolute spending or do you spend money on promoting a culture of accountability and introducing performance review in governance that will pay dividends in the future. 
1427
1428I personally think PTI made the right choice in this matter because it will set a precedence for future governments and Pakistan direly needs wholesale reform that is sustainable past a party’s tenure in office. 30 11 2018 pakistan 5
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1430https://twitter.com/essel1/status/1067805415885496321
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1432PTI’s own Hindu party members are vary of IK’s overly friendly measures due to lack of reciprocity by India towards their scared sites and also their involvement in spreading terrorism in Balochistan
1433
1434There isn’t just resistance from one side. 29 11 2018 pakistan 10
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1436His speech at Kartarpur was not historic in the least, he lacked any kind of coherent objective and did his usual off the cuff electioneering diatribe of relating politics to cricket. I think as a statesman he needs to realize what works domestically can’t be implemented internationally as well.
1437
1438Maybe he’ll get points for sincerity but otherwise SMQ had a more refined approach, however he needs to tone down on the heavy handed Urdu especially considering who the audience was. 29 11 2018 pakistan 9
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1440Getting flashbacks to the field trip we took to the excavation site in Harappa in the scorching heat. 
1441
1442A sip of cold bottled water was the highest form of currency that day. Also they had the priest king statue I have as my tag in that museum.  29 11 2018 pakistan 2
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1444I was taught it too, I don't think it's as rare as you think. Almost all middle class Pakistani's are aware of this. Government schools are notoriously bad at teaching all subjects though, and educational reform is needed quite badly.  29 11 2018 pakistan 3
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1446Listen to them, there’s a multitude of genres represented in all the different languages. 29 11 2018 pakistan 1
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1448Hey OP, I’ve actually compiled some of my favorite Pakistani tracks of recent months and made reddit posts about them. They have all the kinds of music you are looking for. Check them out.
1449
1450[English Music](https://reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/8rrikb/dope_pakistani_music_in_english/)
1451
1452[Urdu Music](https://reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/8vayyu/dope_pakistani_music_in_urdu/)
1453
1454[Punjabi Music](https://reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/9jntok/dope_pakistani_music_in_punjabi/)
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1456 28 11 2018 pakistan 6
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1458any other bands who you think are doing grunge music well in Pakistan?  27 11 2018 pakistan 3
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1460Man I absolutely loved your guys performance of this song at this year's Battle of the Bands! And I'm not even a fan of grunge music like that but it's hard not to bang your head to this. (However I do think Meesha kind of upstaged you that week with her song. lol)
1461
1462On the topic of BOTB was there a band this season that you were rooting for?  27 11 2018 pakistan 4
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1464[This guy pretty much sums up my views on Malala in a neatly edited video](https://youtu.be/sZfL5Pe5dy8) 27 11 2018 pakistan 2
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1466Ghafoor uncle. 26 11 2018 pakistan 1
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1468Like a cows opinion? 26 11 2018 pakistan 4
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1470Who in their right mind would assume Pakistan ruled empires in 1700BCE..? 
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1472I think you’re just making a moot point for no reason. 26 11 2018 pakistan 10
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1474You have been gilded by the mod team of r/Pakistan for continuously providing sources and submission statements with all news items you link to.
1475
1476We’d like to thank you for elevating the quality of discourse and encourage others to emulate the spirit in which you participate on the sub.
1477
1478Please continue to contribute!  26 11 2018 pakistan 7
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1480I mean not to be presumptuous but I think OP is well aware of that.
1481
1482I think they were just trying to illustrate the historical empires that have existed on modern day land mass that we know as the nationstate of Pakistan, hence the title. 26 11 2018 pakistan 9
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1484Unfortunately detention centers does not equal “concentration camps”.
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1486Which was the original point of contention.
1487
1488As far as your other claim of bs being spread, we try to have a pretty even handed approach and a lot of stuff gets removed without even a warning. So please don’t suggest the mods have a bias towards one spectrum.
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1490Also the Pakistani government has already lodged an official complaint against these detention centers so I’m not sure what your comment about kissing ass was about. 
1491
1492I appreciate your effort in providing sources and citing your claims though, the mod team encourages this type of discourse.
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1494 25 11 2018 pakistan -2
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1496Please report any “yahoodi saazish” comments you see, all my time on this sub very seldom I’ve seen that kind of rhetoric in a non-ironic fashion. 
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1498Also all kinds of narratives are welcome on the sub, I think that much is quite clear if you spend any time on here. If anything conservative Pakistani values are often looked down upon by our userbase if I’m being honest.
1499
1500The mods are just trying to make sure that we curb down on patently false propaganda, irrespective of the political bend. 
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1502I don’t think asking users to provide a source for their very matter of fact claim of mass concentration camps in a country is unfair.  25 11 2018 pakistan -4
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1504Is there any credible source for your claim of ‘concentration camps’? That’s a very serious claim.
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1506Cause otherwise I’ll have to delete your comment for peddling conspiracy theories. 25 11 2018 pakistan -4
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1508[This was done during the Karachi Kings and Peshawar Zalmi semifinal in last years PSL at the Gaddafi Stadium](https://youtu.be/3gtvH4iugqU) 24 11 2018 Cricket 9
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1510Hopefully that cost will be offset by the uptick in economic activity due to increased religious tourism. 
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1512Imran Khan is very keen on developing the tourism industry and this is probably the most efficient way of doing it since there’s already a defined market for it and they don’t need to be further incentivized beyond  inherent significance of the location.  24 11 2018 pakistan 14
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1514Tbh he moved up two weight classes for that fight and still did better than most people expected him to.
1515
1516That fight was only gonna go the way it did considering Canelo comes in around 180lbs on fight night. You can’t overcome that size difference. 24 11 2018 ABCDesis 10
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1518Love this guy, he has some amazing human interest pieces he did independently on Vimeo. Watch them from time to time. 21 11 2018 pakistan 2
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1520>Pakistan has done what the Pakistani Military Intelligence thinks is best for ~~Afghanistan~~ Pakistan
1521
1522Pakistans number one concern, like any nation state, is its sovereignty. Afghanistan invited this mess by challenging that and not accepting the international borders. Everything since that point has been Pakistan utilizing limited means to secure its interests in a volatile region. Maybe Afghanistan should reconsider its approach of claiming Pakistani territory and establishing the writ of the state in regions they do have control over so we dont have to deal with a lawless border.
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1524Also wtf does Kashmir have to do with any of this.  
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1528>It's unfortunate that topics regarding Desi Muslims and Pakistan usually doesn't garner as much attention as it's downvoted by those who don't hold them in high regard, but we have no power to control that.
1529
1530Thank you for acknowledging this.
1531
1532I wasn't ignoring what you said but rather thought it was obsolete as none of those rules were broken by me so it was redundant to mention that.
1533
1534The issue was that my post about something that was relevant to the diaspora and appropriate to the rules was brigaded by people who have their own political agenda and I wanted you to acknowledge that there is a clear imbalance in how desis from different backgrounds are treated on the sub.  
1535
1536You can't make a post about Pakistan on this sub without certain Indians using it as an invitation to shit on us. It's not your fault but don't make it seem like everyone who notices this is crazy and it's all the same for everyone.
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1539Completely ignores my comment and regurgitates inane shit that I already know. 
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1541You realize I didn’t do any of those things right, yet my post was still deleted. 
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1543You clearly don’t have consistent policy and the sub is run by whoever can fling the most shit and have the other side silenced.  20 11 2018 ABCDesis -3
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1545What are some of your favorite songs based on Faiz's poetry? Post them in this thread, in addition to whatever else you are listening to! 20 11 2018 pakistan 1
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1547There is a really strong independent music scene in Pakistan, with musicians panning across genre's putting out some amazing stuff, but unfortunately these artists have a hard time reaching an audience. 
1548
1549We should take the initiative to support local artists and promote their music so this artistry can be sustainable and further add to the already rich tradition of music in Pakistan. 
1550
1551Every week we will focus on one particular song that we think should be highlighted and the r/Pakistan user base can give their critique on it and also recommend similar music or share some stuff they are listening to that week.  20 11 2018 pakistan 1
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1553Ok I understand the dilemma but what’s your solution then. We can only make posts about Pakistan that are palatable to subs majority or else people will just bring up Kashmir other contentious bs and totally derail the conversation. And then mods just remove the post. 
1554
1555You realize that only allows for a singular narrative to exist right. 
1556
1557The level of discourse on this sub is worse than r/worldnews when it comes to anything to do with Pakistan.
1558
1559At least acknowledge that as a mod instead of making false equivalencies.  20 11 2018 ABCDesis -1
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1561Tbh my post was relevant to the sub, I didn’t start shit, was cordial and yet it was still removed...
1562
1563How does one control other people from derailing threads.  20 11 2018 ABCDesis -8
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1565It's a smooth sailing sub until the majority of this sub has to deal with the fact that there are desis that are non-Hindu Indians and they might have different politics to them. 
1566
1567[Notice this post about the Bangladeshi Genocide where everyone is being civil and not ONE Pakistani derailing the thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/9bajqj/the_bengali_genocide_of_1971_an_archive/) 
1568
1569[Now look at this thread about the Sikh Genocide, full of minimizing and Sikhs having to prove their humanity.](https://np.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/9ucw2w/canadian_ndp_leader_jagmeet_singh_hopes_canada/)  
1570
1571And that was one thread that wasn't downvoted to shit and actually got some comments. 
1572
1573This sub has a real problem and it isn't Pakistani's its the rabid Hindu Nationalists. 20 11 2018 ABCDesis 7
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1575The sub does kind of prove it though. 
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1577The entire reason Jinnah, a prominent member of the congress party who was proponent of Hindu-Muslim unity, decided to push for a separate nation was due to the congress parties unwillingness to introduce safeguards to ensure that the majority wouldn’t use their numerical advantage to drown out the voices of minority communities. 
1578
1579The cultural similarities are all good and well but there literally can’t be a thread on this sub that deals with Pakistan that can exist without attracting rabid nationalists from the other side.  20 11 2018 ABCDesis 6
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1581Biggest misconception, the biggest point of contention was the adoption of a federalist system with the powers vested in the provinces that Jinnah wanted vs a centralized government controlled by the center that Nehru wanted.
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1583
1584It’s ideological differences not just religious.  20 11 2018 ABCDesis 7
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1586[THANK YOU BASED JINNAH FOR YOUR POLITICAL FORESIGHT AND FIRE FITS](https://i.imgur.com/rhXfha3.jpg) ?  19 11 2018 ABCDesis 1
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1588Um it involves the US and Pakistan, how much more of a connection do you need? 19 11 2018 ABCDesis 3
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1590Please point to one thread on this sub where something India related is posted and Pakistanis have filled it with anti-India shit? 
1591
1592I’m sure you won’t find ONE such thread.
1593
1594Meanwhile anytime Pakistan is mentioned on this sub the hordes of regular Indians or Hindu Nationalists or whatever you wanna call them absolutely ruin any chance of a civil debate on the topic.
1595
1596I mean why is Kashmir or India even mention in this thread, it’s all the Indians making it about that. 19 11 2018 ABCDesis -1
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1598I’m saying they can’t end it, how are you gonna bring out all those people and supplies without a land route. 19 11 2018 worldnews 0
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1600People who make a thread about Pakistani-American relations about India’s grievances with Pakistan are Hindu Nationalists. 
1601
1602Quite being obtuse. 
1603
1604I’ve been very levelheaded in responding to all the comments and providing my reasoning in a cordial manner. 
1605
1606But the brigading and labeling of my place of birth as evil is uncalled for and I’ll gladly call out those people what they are. All entities and identities should be given the same level of respect but this sub has a clear bias and I’m calling it like I see it. 19 11 2018 ABCDesis 2
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1608Anything that has to do with Muslims or Sikh politics gets downvoted to shit and brigaded hard. 
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1610We are only allowed to exist on this subs as token, having a political identity is for only one group of people.
1611
1612And regardless of the topic at hand literally anything that is wrong with our societies gets thrown at the wall to discredit our voices. 
1613
1614In a lot of ways this sub is more racist that r/worldnews
1615
1616Just bigotry with a brown face. 
1617
1618But don’t forget to upvote the weekly thread bitching about white people calling Indian rapists!!! That’s real racism! 19 11 2018 ABCDesis 5
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1620Listen champ idk where you get the idea I only post about controversial topics when most of my posts on this sub are about music and fashion.
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1622I don’t have a problem with Hindus, I’ve lived with Hindus, had amazing friendships, even dated a few. 
1623
1624I have a problem with the political ideology of Hindu nationalism that purports a homogeneous South Asian identity that is defined by only one group that claims indigenous roots to the land and deems all other cultures as foreign and impure. 
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1626I have the same qualms with Islamofacism, you’re the narrow minded one trying to conflate my political beliefs with a religious identity. 
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1628I don’t give a fuck about eid or who’s Muslim or who isn’t..  19 11 2018 ABCDesis 3
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1630Man I can’t believe you are for real right now... the US fucking invaded Afghanistan!! Who was getting in their way to not pull out any stops in locating their most valued target? lol 
1631
1632I for one am glad that my ancestors had the choice of self determination. Being under British or Indian occupation would’ve been all the same to them.  19 11 2018 ABCDesis 5
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1634I’m in New York sweety. And I don’t particularly care if you are Muslim or not, Hindu Nationalism is a political ideology.
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1636I made this thread to highlight the spat between Trump and IK, two leaders from countries this subs user base is highly related to.
1637
1638I did not bring up Kashmir but was merely responding to a comment that mentioned it. 
1639
1640I don’t have any problem with anyone “disagreeing with my assessment” but this absolutely biased manner in which one country and people from that country are vilified on this sub is abhorrent and you have to be blind to not see that. 19 11 2018 ABCDesis 4
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1642He was in Afghanistan for the decade they were looking for him genius, a country the United States operated in without impunity. 
1643
1644If there was no British rule there would be no modern nation states as we know them. As we already established your history is piss poor let me remind you the princely states were not one consolidated entity so yes Pakistan wouldn't be a thing but all the regions that it is comprised of still would be independent.  19 11 2018 ABCDesis 8
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1646All the Hindu-Nationalists on r/abcdesi's out in full force to defend massa! LOL
1647
1648Some even mad the old massa let the dirty mooslims have their own country.
1649
1650The mods really need to clean up this sub of these folks if this is gonna be a community for all desi's and not just Indians.  19 11 2018 ABCDesis 5
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1652I believe Trump believes everything Trump says, and I also believe that when Obama said that he also believed it. 
1653
1654You can chose not to believe it, but I can also chose to call you the conspiracy nut you are for thinking only you can ascertain when the President is being honest or lying. lol 19 11 2018 ABCDesis 3
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1656>Country that couldn’t find the most wanted terrorist in the world within its borders questions incompetence
1657
1658tbf the greatest millatristic force in the world's history couldn't find him either, so not that easy one would assume. 
1659
1660>Man the brits really fucked up by letting Pakistan be a country
1661
1662ahh yess massa should have never let the savages be free 
1663 19 11 2018 ABCDesis 12
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1665> Lol if you actually think Pakistan had no knowledge bin laden was living in a nice house with servants and guards in the middle of town then this conv is pointless, of course Obama is going to be a ‘diplomat’ so he can defend sending US special forces for a covert mission into a foreign country without authorization of said country.
1666
1667"Haha bro what are you gonna do believe the sitting president of the country who killed Osama or me a redditor who is peddling conspiracies on the internet" -You (essentially)  19 11 2018 ABCDesis 3
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1669Everyone double deals my friend, that is the name of the game. The United States aided and abated the Taliban and countless other groups when it suited their interests, India created and supported the Tamil tigers and other groups when it was in their interests, all countries rely on proxies to do their dirty work nowadays.
1670
1671You have to be extremely naïve or extremely biased to only chastise Pakistan for working in their own self interest. 
1672
1673And guess what? The Taliban are back in on the peace negotiation process, so clearly the United States realizes that they will need their support if they want an exit strategy in Afghanistan.  19 11 2018 ABCDesis 6
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1675> let’s not forget Pakistan knowingly harbored and protected Bin Laden
1676
1677"We had no evidence that the Pakistani government was aware of Osama bin Laden's presence in Abbotabad" - Barak Obama
1678
1679
1680>was responsible for sponsoring the Mumbai attacks among several other terrorist attacks
1681
1682The Pakistani foreign office admitted that the attackers came from Pakistan but they were not acting on behalf of the state. Just like the Samjhota express bombings in which an Indian millatary officer was involved weren't directed by the Indian State. And if one was to use just a bit of common sense why would Pakistan, a country fighting a insurgency on it's western front, brazenly attack a much larger adversary on it's eastern end when their troops are already stretched thin. 
1683 
1684> violate ceasefire agreements across the Kashmir border
1685
1686Both sides violate ceasefire violations but international journalists are only allowed on the Pakistani administered side, that should tell you who has more to hide.  19 11 2018 ABCDesis 3
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1688Really appreciate you providing a submission statement! 
1689
1690Encourage other users to do the same when they link to an article. 
1691
1692Thanks for participating in the sub! 19 11 2018 pakistan 2
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1694By many you mean war hawks that ridicule his anti-drone strikes stance. 
1695   19 11 2018 worldnews 6
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1697The "aid" is reimbursement for duties performed during the WoT by the Pakistani military, if you watch the video James Mattis admits how crucial that help was. 
1698
1699And if you breakdown that "aid" Pakistan doesn't even breakeven for the services rendered, and now even when that "aid" is being withheld the supply lines are still open. 
1700
1701So yes it's free, and thousands American troops would be stranded if Pakistan decides to close them down. 
1702
1703Perhaps the US shouldn't be taking such a tone deaf approach in dealing with a nuclear State. 
1704 19 11 2018 worldnews 7
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1706Americans and poor geography, a tale as old as time.  19 11 2018 worldnews 10
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1708Tbh he was lazily quoting Orwell just like you, which is such a cliched thing to do that I enjoyed his retort. lol 19 11 2018 pakistan 5
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1710Man sometimes it’s hard to comprehend the cognitive dissonance in Americans.
1711
1712Like they actually expect other countries to work in their interests... wonder what the US would do to Edward Snowden if he ever came back to the US but they expect Pakistan to not imprison a citizen that was working for the intelligence agency of a foreign nation. 
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1714 19 11 2018 worldnews 17
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1716[Man it must suck to have your own Secretary of Defense think that American policy makers are being irrational in their treatment of Pakistan.](https://streamable.com/1ftma)
1717
1718Absolute scenes if Pakistan decides to cut off the supply lines the Americans have been using free of cost to sustain their occupation of Afghanistan. Love to see how Trump can have any feasible exit strategy in Afghanistan that doesn’t involve having Pakistan on board as a partner.
1719
1720Edit: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1064540462848098304?s=20
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1722Now Trump claiming he would have caught Osama ? 19 11 2018 ABCDesis 4
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1724https://streamable.com/1ftma
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1726Just gonna leave this here, Trumps own secretary of defense describing why this boneheaded policy of strong arming allies doesn’t work. Pakistan can fuck the American exit strategy in Afghanistan so bad if they decide to stop letting US troops use their supply lines for free. 19 11 2018 MurderedByWords 55
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1728[Man it must suck to have your own Secretary of Defense think that American policy makers are being irrational in their treatment of Pakistan.](https://streamable.com/1ftma)
1729
1730Absolute scenes if Pakistan decides to cut off the supply lines the Americans have been using free of cost to sustain their occupation of Afghanistan. Love to see how Trump can have any feasible exit strategy in Afghanistan that doesn’t involve having Pakistan on board as a partner. 
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1732 19 11 2018 worldnews 52
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1734My sweet summer child I think it's quite obvious if you read my post in its entirety, and not get triggered immediately, that I'm speaking in generalities about both societies. You have to do that when you're speaking on anything anthropological. 
1735
1736I'm not taking one-tenth-truth and painting as an entire country, I'm looking at major trends. Off course there are a great many beautiful things about India and many rational people that reside there, just like Pakistan but to say what I've said about both societies isn't true is burying your head in the sand. 
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1738Your presence on this sub and reaction to my comment just proves my point honestly. 
1739
1740I wish you well on your e-jihad my friend, may you protect the name of Bahrat Mata against the non-believers.  17 11 2018 pakistan 2
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1742It's pretty much every talking point argument of Indian nationalists and yet the user is pretending to be a Pakistan. And their 2-month-old account is littered with such stuff. 
1743
1744Yet they are arguing that the Indian populous isn't toxically jingoistic. lol  17 11 2018 pakistan 3
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1746You can say a country is racist due to such and such social phenomenon. That is an opinion, it can be argued against but it isn't a hard fact. 
1747
1748You can't say a country 'cleansed' a population by government orders when there is no evidence supporting that, that's spreading lies. 
1749
1750Also interestingly enough most of your posting history is coming to the aide of India at the slightest critique of that country but I'm assuming you are also pretending to be a Pakistani... quite peculiar behavior I must say.  17 11 2018 pakistan 2
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1752I really wanted to give your opinion a chance since you wrote very passionately about it but once you start making patently false statements to support your argument its almost impossible to give your assessment any weight. 
1753
1754>Our state was founded on the cleansing of much of the native non-Muslim population, much of it orchestrated by forces in the government.
1755
1756I hope you realize a word like "cleansing" has a very specific meaning, and when you say ahistorical stuff like this it muddles your point. 17 11 2018 pakistan 3
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1758Pakistanis are quite boneheaded as well but only when it comes to religion and not national identity.
1759
1760However India is a toxically jingoistic society and that narrative is naturally under the purview of the government which gives them extreme implicit control over what opinions are appropriate for the public sphere and what aren’t. Hence you will never see the Indian media, their celebrities, majority of the population, go against or even criticize whatever status quo is set by the state. 
1761
1762It’s the same reason why it’s so hard to discuss religion in Pakistan because the mullahs have established a parallel power structure that they leverage against the state and anyone who dares to question their narrative. However every Tom Dick and Harry feels comfortable questioning the government or the army because the state didn’t try or couldn’t sell them the false god of nationalism. 
1763
1764It’s like Iqbal said, “In ta’za khudaon mein sab se bara watan hai, hai jo pairhan is ka woh mazhab ka kafan hai”
1765
1766They are losing their spirit treating the state like god and we are losing our minds treating god like a state. 17 11 2018 pakistan 10
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1768He’s said quite a lot of anti-Pakistan stuff so that should buy him some leeway.
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1770Good to see him receive a warm welcome despite his bigoted views.
1771
1772Worried about when he gets back though, especially considering what happened to that Om Puri guy. 17 11 2018 pakistan 7
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1774Pretty reasonable decision, especially considering the most important part of the tournament is in Pakistan so you wouldn’t wanna arrive there with a unsettled squad missing key players.
1775
1776All teams should adopt this policy cause it really does sour the tournament for me when the strengths of the teams change so drastically all of a sudden. 
1777
1778 16 11 2018 Cricket 19
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1780You have been gilded by the mod team of r/Pakistan.
1781
1782These are the kind of informative and well written posts we would like to encourage on the sub. Thank you for taking the time out and sharing your knowledge with the community, surely everyone is a bit more well informed on the business of space travel having read your post.
1783
1784We encourage Pakistanis and non-Pakistani’s to participate on the sub in the same spirit as you, thank you for your contribution. 15 11 2018 pakistan 12
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1786One of my favorite players and a man that has every right to his personal views. 
1787
1788It takes a lot of courage to take any kind of stand on an issue like this being how celebrities shy away from having convictions.
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1790For all the talk of our society not being tolerant, I can bet any amount of money that there isn't a single person of Afridi's stature on the other side of the border that would publicly share an opinion on this matter that doesn't mindlessly tow their nationalistic rhetoric. 
1791
1792Low key proud that our civil society has many evils but there is still room for level-headed debate on such sensitive issues.  15 11 2018 pakistan 2
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1794Mods have noticed a pattern of brigading and an influx of users with new accounts participating in this thread.
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1796Every time the mods allow for a laissez faire environment of discussion between Indians and Pakistanis it dissolves into one side hammering their narrative and suppressing any dissenting views through underhanded means like vote manipulation. 
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1798This thread will now be closely monitored and all users who dilute the authenticity of this sub, that being a place for Pakistanis to discuss matters that pertain to them, will be banned. 14 11 2018 pakistan 1
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1800Duly noted man, keep sharing stuff you think other people would appreciate! The featured songs are just to get the conversation going so I usually pick something that just came out or something that is topical. 
1801
1802That Momina track was on repeat for me too. lol  14 11 2018 pakistan 0
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1804That track was already featured previously but keep the recommendations coming, I wanna make these threads a place where ppl can share what they are listening to. 14 11 2018 pakistan 0
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1806Pakistani media is quite poor as well, I wasn’t trying to malign you but rather giving you the benefit of doubt. Surely you must realize your media can not present a legitimate portrayal of Pakistan or the Kashmiris position on the dispute.  14 11 2018 pakistan 11
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1808Sorry I meant executed not convicted, that was my mistake. 
1809
1810But again it’s not a tool of thought control like you suggested, just a poor law that is misused by individuals to settle personal scores. You won’t hear me defend it.
1811
1812Back to our original argument, the opinions of personal citizens isn’t akin to a states official diplomatic stance.
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1814Let’s not derail this thread with all your grievances about Pakistan. I think that will only lead to Pakistanis detailing their grievances with India. 14 11 2018 pakistan 10
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1816Blasphemy laws are reprehensible relic of the past but no one has ever been convicted over them. 
1817
1818I don’t think I have to explain how fringe groups use identity politics to rile up downtrodden people to consolidate power to an Indian, you have many such examples in official positions. 14 11 2018 pakistan 3
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1820Kashmir hasn’t been an election or national security issue for years now, just because Indias national politics revolves around Pakistan doesn’t mean the same is true for Pakistan vice versa. 
1821
1822India or Kashmir grants you no political capital in mainstream Pakistan beyond a social cause. 14 11 2018 pakistan 4
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1824That Pakistani government doesn’t engage in thought control. I’m just explaining the diplomatic stands of the Pakistani state not saying how civilians should conduct themselves. 14 11 2018 pakistan 12
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1826No Pakistan and China have amicably solved border disputes. Neither Pakistan nor China consider that to be a disputed territory.
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1828Pakistan gives full autonomy to the residents of Azad Kashmir, unfortunately people stuck under Indian occupation are fighting for the same. Pakistan extends diplomatic support to them but the days of giving them material help are long gone. They must achieve freedom on their own terms and they seem to be doing a good job of keeping the issue alive.  14 11 2018 pakistan 3
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1830Pakistan’s official stance has always been to let Kashmiris have a chance at self determination.
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1832I think you are just regurgitating Indian tropes regarding Pakistan’s position on Kashmir.
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1834It’s not entirely your fault as the restrictive Indian media only allows for hawkish propaganda to be fed to its people.   14 11 2018 pakistan 16
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1836These kind of false equivalences never work in international politics. 
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1838The Chinese issue is an internal matter of China meanwhile Kashmir is an internationally recognized disputed territory.
1839
1840How China deals with their internal matters is non of our business just like the persecution of non-Hindu minorities within mainland India is none of our business. 
1841
1842Do not derail a thread with non sequiturs, one does not need to pigeonhole analogies where they don’t belong just to make it seem like they have a better understanding of something than they actually do. 14 11 2018 pakistan 4
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1844Not really, Pakistan’s official position isn’t imperialist like India’s. It advocates for the self determination of Kashmiris. 14 11 2018 pakistan 9
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1846There is a really strong independent music scene in Pakistan, with musicians panning across genre's putting out some amazing stuff, but unfortunately these artists have a hard time reaching an audience. 
1847
1848We should take the initiative to support local artists and promote their music so this artistry can be sustainable and further add to the already rich tradition of music in Pakistan. 
1849
1850Every week we will focus on one particular song that we think should be highlighted and the r/Pakistan user base can give their critique on it and also recommend similar music or share some stuff they are listening to that week.  13 11 2018 pakistan 3
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1852You didn’t criticize his policies or the content of his talk because you didn’t even give him the respect to listen to it lol you only used his place of origin to deride him and dismiss his authority.
1853
1854Please don’t talk to me about logic. 9 11 2018 pakistan 3
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1856>  I ask you to look at this not from an emotional perspective but from one that uses game theory. Each player is self serving. Thus, any and all plays, even if it's taking a loss in the short run is aimed towards a higher gain in the future. 
1857> 
1858> Let's not be naive here in thinking that China has any sympathy whatsoever towards Pakistan's goals or strife, and that based on economics, their end goal isn't to simply occupy strategic infrastructure.
1859
1860Nothing in my comment contradicts your points. I very clearly stated that China is a self serving entity, just like any other country, and this is a sort of hail mary maneuver Pakistan is trying to pull. But I think the alarmism is quite misleading because obviously no one thinks CPEC is an altruistic hand out, but it is also important to note that Pakistan is in no position to bargain for a  better deal anywhere else as it brings very little to the table. It is a no-brainer for Pakistan as well to be a part of CPEC as the country was going no where with the policies of previous governments. At least now there is a route for major development possibility but off course it comes at a huge risk but it's the lesser of two evils if one is being pragmatic. Pakistan is in dire need of attracting capital and increasing trade. 
1861
1862China may not have any sympathy for Pakistan but both countries strategic goals align quite well and have for decades. This fact can not be overlooked as it would not be in China's interest to see chaos and discontent in an immediately neighboring country. Also beyond the economic scope of things, a stable Pakistan can be used as a counter balance to states challenging their homogeny in the region. 
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1864Also not the most nuanced point, but the overwhelming alarmism from adversaries of Pakistan and China leads me to believe that there might be some chance of this thing leading to some success. lol 9 11 2018 pakistan 2
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1866I would suggest actually listening to what he has to say instead of discrediting it just because you have a delusional complex about knowing more than an educated man from a filthy developing economy. 
1867
1868Also he was the ex deputy minister, he works in Washington now, he's been validated by the superior whites if that helps you take his word more convincingly.  9 11 2018 pakistan 4
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1870Not watching the game but I it was similar behavior when Shehzad was hit with a nasty bouncer that had him out for quite a while. Really rattled him.  9 11 2018 Cricket 5
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1872There are mere hour old accounts with numerous posts espousing a specific viewpoint that pop up on the sub everyday.
1873
1874We have a heavy brigading problem but we are trying to solve it while also not trying to curb free speech too much. 
1875
1876Please bare with us.   9 11 2018 pakistan 5
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1878Calling it a “debt trap” is definitely western propaganda and there is no harm in calling it like one sees it. 
1879
1880[I was listening to this podcast with the ex deputy chief of staff of Liberia](https://soundcloud.com/chinatalkingpoints/an-insiders-view-of-the-china-africa-debt-trap-debate), and he put the “Chinese debt trap” myth to rest is very simple terms. The whole narrative is based on an infantalist view of the third world by Western countries, where they think that these noble savages are being conned by the evil Chinese. Whereas in truth China is just offering loans at below market rate, and more efficient protocols, to countries that need capital but don’t have any other source to acquire it. 
1881
1882Now it’s a fair criticism if you say that maybe this is a gamble because the reason they can’t borrow money through other channels is due to their reckless economic policy or lack of ability to pay back these loans. But on the other hand these countries have no other means of investing in infrastructure or other basic necessities to jump start their economy. So these countries are banking on the fact that they will get their house in order once their industries pick up and the Chinese are giving them an opportunity to do so. Off course there is risk that things can go really wrong, and Sri Lanka is an example of that, but these risks are not exclusive to deals with China. Are western institutions trapping African countries when they give them predatory loans with stipulations that all but guarantee economic stagnation? 
1883
1884Your childish explanation of how “the Chinese aren’t our friends” is pretty much in line with western infantalist propaganda that assumes that Pakistanis don’t already know that geopolitics almost always work on a quid pro quo basis. But the fact of the matter is that no other country would offer Pakistan a better deal than China, and off course Pakistan will have to make structural and institutional changes to benefit from this deal. China is looking for their own interests, like any logical entity, and Pakistan is also doing the same. You can argue who’s getting the better end of the stick till the cows come home, but you can do that about any major deal between two parties. 9 11 2018 pakistan 25
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1886Man idk if you are being dense on purpose or what but if you suddenly start implementing a flawed and outdated methodology to test for something obviously you will end up with different results. And those results are what the ICC is using to determine what’s a legal action or not. 
1887
1888So if under the UWA testing the bend is within legal means and suddenly under this new unknown methodology it’s over the legal means does that mean I’m advocating for relaxing the rules or skeptical of how the rules are being enforced rather? 
1889
1890In the NFL they still have trouble determining the height of a vertical jump during the combine just because there isn’t a consensus on at which point should you start measuring. But in cricket we are supposed to take the word of an umpire watching with the naked eye to judge for a bend and report it, and then we are supposed to accept a conclusion derived through a non peer reviewed testing procedure that experts are skeptical of? 
1891
1892There’s just so much wrong with this but off course since it doesn’t come in the way of entertainment value it all just gets swept under the rug. And people like you yell “chucker” “cheat” like it’s some great conspiracy by these bowlers to cheat the system by doing what they’ve been doing their whole careers and not the doing of a new fucked up system in place. 8 11 2018 Cricket 2
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1894The ICC’s regressive attitude towards sports science has emboldened people like you who have no regard for just how complex biometrics are. 
1895
1896All because they wanted to open some new labs in Chennai so it was financially efficient for them to test players. 
1897
1898You realize boards don’t even know how or what their players are being tested for? So no shit they’ll only get called out during match conditions. 
1899
1900If the ICC wanted to eradicate this at the grassroots level they’d make the testing procedure transparent and publicly available but then people could also easily poke holes in their flawed methodology. 8 11 2018 Cricket 3
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1902Stop misrepresenting my position and actually read the article, the new methodology is not transparent or peer reviewed. Should a world class sport be regulated is such archaic and unscientific ways?  8 11 2018 Cricket -5
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1904https://www.dawn.com/news/1138142
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1906ICC testing is a farce anyways but no one wants to talk about it cuz “muh DHL sixes!!1!”
1907
1908The game is so much in favor of batsmen that it’s not even fun to watch most matches these days with top edges going for sixes in pulled in boundaries. The ICC literally makes a new rule every few years to make batting easier and make it tougher for bowlers to have any sort of impact on the game.
1909
1910They’ve taken reverse swing and doosra pretty much out of the equation, waiting till they limit the speeds you can bowl at now! 8 11 2018 Cricket -6
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1912Very egregious to declare someone a cheat, it’s not like he’s doing it on purpose. He’s had this action his whole career, which was deemed legal as per the ICC’s previous testing methods, and has only recently been told to remodel it because they’ve changed the testing procedures.  
1913
1914https://www.dawn.com/news/1138142
1915
1916You read about how unfair and vague the new methods are and how they aren’t transparent about what or how they are testing for the legality of the action. Boards aren’t provided with details on what to check for or warn players who might be pushing the limits. It isn’t even peer reviewed.
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1918Completely out of line for Taylor to do this on field. There’s a proper way to show your discontent, and mocking a player mid game ain’t it chief.
1919
1920 8 11 2018 Cricket 1
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1922He had it deemed illegal after they changed the methodology of checking for the bend in arms to a much more rudimentary process.
1923
1924University of Western Australia, the original partner of the ICC for biometric testing, wrote a letter scathing the ICC’s new testing procedure and withdrew their services because of this dispute. 
1925
1926There isn’t any transparency or independent review of the new testing methods.
1927
1928https://www.dawn.com/news/1138142 8 11 2018 Cricket 21
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1930Are you implying the ICC cleared a chucked to bowl in international games? The whole sport must be a farce then.
1931
1932How about we just throw out the whole system and just let reddit users determine whose a chucker and who isn’t.
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1934 8 11 2018 Cricket -12
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1936Can’t wait for bowlers to start accusing batsmen of cheating for having huge bats during games.
1937
1938This sub has no regard for actual rules and procedures if it’s a team or player they like.
1939
1940If Ross thinks Hafeez was chucking go through official channels, don’t make a mockery of the ICC’s already flawed system of monitoring bowling actions by taking taking it into your own hands on the field. 8 11 2018 Cricket -13
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1942Tbh in recent years it’s becoming increasingly clear that journalism as an industry has some major structural issues in regards to conflict of interest and financial viability. 
1943
1944I don’t think it’s that outlandish to question their methodologies and practices. I think people world over are quite skeptical of the role of the media in politics and their questioning their supposed role as harbingers of truth. 8 11 2018 pakistan -1
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1946Please refrain from making low effort comments and posts, we are trying to elevate the level of discourse on the sub so we will have to start introducing quality control. 
1947
1948Comments like this add nothing to the conversation and end up detracting threads into petty arguments.
1949
1950Thank you. 7 11 2018 pakistan 2
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1952>If someone had said that India produces lots of quality fast bowlers, I would've posted the same thing.
1953
1954Don't humor us man, no you wouldn't have lol
1955
1956> 20 seconds.
1957
195820 seconds X 100's of comments and perusing threads for claims to counter. LOL 
1959
1960> Not one year wonders like Hasan or one series wonders like Amir.
1961
1962Said like someone who only knows about fast bowling by reading decimal numbers on statsguru. LOLOL 7 11 2018 Cricket 2
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1964Don't have any issues with it mate, just find you very peculiar. 
1965
1966It's not difficult to present stats to support any argument, its that you clearly have an agenda and I find it hilarious how much effort you put into pushing it. 
1967
1968Also if you are honestly trying to say Pakistan doesn't consistently produce some of the best fast bowlers in world cricket than I have a bridge to sell you buddy. 7 11 2018 Cricket 6
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1970LOL man I hope you get paid for this shit, my guy is really out here dedicating his life to undermining the Pakistan cricket team. 7 11 2018 Cricket 9
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1972What next? Bowlers accusing batsmen of having springs on the inside part of their bats mid game? lol
1973
1974Taylor’s being an idiot plain and simple.  7 11 2018 Cricket 6
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1976There is a really strong independent music scene in Pakistan, with musicians panning across genre's putting out some amazing stuff, but unfortunately these artists have a hard time reaching an audience. 
1977
1978We should take the initiative to support local artists and promote their music so this artistry can be sustainable and further add to the already rich tradition of music in Pakistan. 
1979
1980Every week we will focus on one particular song that we think should be highlighted and the r/Pakistan user base can give their critique on it and also recommend similar music or share some stuff they are listening to that week.  6 11 2018 pakistan 1
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1982wish hafeez or malik were my dad 2 11 2018 Cricket 8
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1984he doesn't have the temperament to finish it deep 2 11 2018 Cricket 1
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1986Is Asif Ali gonna do something or what? He realizes he's in the team as a hitter right..  2 11 2018 Cricket 2
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1988Asif not even playing according to his role because he is too preoccupied trying to save his spot in the team.  2 11 2018 Cricket 7
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1990The amount of faith that is being shown in Asif is astonishing.
1991
1992How is he now promoted up the order after failing almost every time.. lol 2 11 2018 Cricket 7
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1994Why wouldn't you bowl Faheem wtf yaar, he was getting those Yorkers on the money 2 11 2018 Cricket 3
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1996watching NZ bat is kind of how girls describe sex with me. 
1997
1998few minutes of exciting fun and then a long night of regret. 2 11 2018 Cricket 20
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2000you forgot throw a casual SJW in there, then it'll be perfect 2 11 2018 Cricket 2
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2002Reddit user /u/planetof doesn't approve of Hafeez's action, /u/icc can you ban him please? 2 11 2018 Cricket 3
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2004Not hanging an innocent woman isn’t “Liberal rulings”, it’s basic human rights.
2005
2006If you can’t guarantee basic human rights in a country than you can’t have a just society. I think the current government realizes that change is slow, hence them backing down on the Atif Mian thing, but you can’t have a country if a certain section has no regard for the writ of the state.
2007
2008How are you supposed to bring education reform or alleviate poverty if you let this kind of behavior fester. Who’s to say these people won’t shut the country down if they disagree with something in the syllabus or if they come out against taxation as haram...
2009
2010It’s foolish to blame the government for this. 2 11 2018 pakistan 13
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2012P S L  F E I L D I N G
2013
2014*and*
2015
2016P S L   B O W L I N G 
2017
2018really coming thru for us lately.
2019 31 10 2018 Cricket 26
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2021Asif, Faheem, and Shadab are supposed to be finishers but they are just not clicking at all.  31 10 2018 Cricket 2
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2023Lol man whats up with these consistently mediocre 150 scores recently, doesn't matter if its a good start or a bad one we end up around 150 anyways... 31 10 2018 Cricket 6
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2025This was a really good speech, but I wish it was more bombastic. Unfortunately that's what people need these days to rally around something. I think to really change the narrative IK should have made some concrete threats against these losers for saying highly treasonous thing! 
2026
2027They are actively calling for violence and mutiny against all institutions of the State.
2028
2029But all in all I'm glad that the PM came out and made it very clear that this will not be tolerated and made some understated and veiled threats against wrongdoers.  31 10 2018 pakistan 5
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2031[Mooroo - Pehli](https://youtu.be/XGH_xpqt9_k)
2032
2033Extremely versatile album, especially considering how Mooroo has such an original sound. There’s moody melodic songs on here and also very intense and thought provoking abrasive music as well.
2034
2035My personal favorite track would have to be Bohran  31 10 2018 pakistan 3
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2037Try these two and tell me if you like... lol
2038
2039https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWA9EnqRIWc
2040
2041https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mSR8iavWA 30 10 2018 ABCDesis 2
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2043You're welcome! Btw if you like this song in particular I would check out Shayad and Jilwatan by Call. They kind of popularized this sound in Pakistan.  30 10 2018 pakistan 2
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2045Only started doing this last week so there's only one previous thread which you can find here: https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/comments/9qp311/song_of_the_week_khel_tamasha_bayaan/
2046
2047However I make threads like this quite often, you can find some contemporary Pakistani music recs in those.
2048
2049I've mad one for [Urdu music](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/8vayyu/dope_pakistani_music_in_urdu/), [English music](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/8rrikb/dope_pakistani_music_in_english/), and [Punjabi music](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/9jntok/dope_pakistani_music_in_punjabi/) so far, making my way to other languages soon. 30 10 2018 pakistan 3
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2051Xulfi played a hand in this song so I'm sure there was some Call influence,  30 10 2018 pakistan 2
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2053There is a really strong independent music scene in Pakistan, with musicians panning across genre's putting out some amazing stuff, but unfortunately these artists have a hard time reaching an audience. 
2054
2055We should take the initiative to support local artists and promote their music so this artistry can be sustainable and further add to the already rich tradition of music in Pakistan. 
2056
2057Every week we will focus on one particular song that we think should be highlighted and the r/Pakistan user base can give their critique on it and also recommend similar music or share some stuff they are listening to that week.  30 10 2018 pakistan 4
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2059Tourism money!
2060
2061The entire world learns about the IVC in school, yet we haven't capitalized on this notoriety.   26 10 2018 pakistan 5
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2063What are you trying to say? 
2064
2065Also how is an actual country comparable to a freedom struggle?  26 10 2018 pakistan 7
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2067This guys show is one of my favorite listens on Patari, him and his co-hosts are so rational and give a platform to civil debate where most political debate shows are absolutely insufferable. 25 10 2018 pakistan 9
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2069uturnkhan is a name people call Imran Khan, idk what this has to do with the number of Muslims in India... 25 10 2018 pakistan 10
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2071Digging these new Pakistan kits btw. Much better than the Asia Cup abomination. 24 10 2018 Cricket 9
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2073Pakistan setting low totals and then taking early wickets.
2074
2075Name a more iconic duo  24 10 2018 Cricket 19
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2077I've always been here man, working in the background. lol 
2078
2079I usually post Pakistan related content in other subs and just mod this one, but I think there is a need to foster a higher quality of discussion on this sub and introduce quality control. 
2080
2081Hopefully we can raise the level discourse on here and increase user participation.  23 10 2018 pakistan 3
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2083Oh man I think this song was sampled by Kanye in New Slaves, that outro was my favorite part of the song. Thanks for this!
2084
2085I really loved Hungarys entry in last years Eurovision as well: https://youtu.be/LflrKXL022U
2086
2087 23 10 2018 pakistan 0
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2089Have you heard Malala Gul's version of it? The production in it is super contemporary but I think they retain the essence of the folk song.
2090
2091https://patari.pk/home/song/Patari-Tabeer-Tora-Baram-Khana-Nawaba-Malala-Gul-and-Danish-Khwaja 23 10 2018 pakistan 2
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2093Didn't think they had it in them to release such an experimental track but was pleasantly surprised. As much of a sucker as I am for their quintessential desi pop-rock sound I didn't think they could compete with the more eclectic bands but they kept pulling out surprises like this.  23 10 2018 pakistan 2
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2095What earworm is stuck in your head this week? Doesn't have to be Pakistani, I love coming across new music! 23 10 2018 pakistan 1
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2097There is a really strong independent music scene in Pakistan, with musicians panning across genre's putting out some amazing stuff, but unfortunately these artists have a hard time reaching an audience. 
2098
2099We should take the initiative to support local artists and promote their music so this artistry can be sustainable and further add to the already rich tradition of music in Pakistan. 
2100
2101Every week we will focus on one particular song that we think should be highlighted and the r/Pakistan user base can give their critique on it and also recommend similar music or share some stuff they are listening to that week.  23 10 2018 pakistan 1
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2103You can not like China, you can not like Pakistan too.
2104
2105Please don't be so naive to conflate what I'm saying with legitimate criticism.
2106
2107My comment was about people with vested interests leading the conversation. 18 10 2018 pakistan 1
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2109That's an Indian commenting on the internal politics of Pakistan.
2110
2111There's many folks like this who come on this sub and masquerade as genuine posters but their main agenda is to present a bleaker picture than reality to demoralize and discourage the populous of the sub.
2112
2113Some will also try to spread discontent amongst various groups within Pakistan and also amongst our allies (ex: the growing anti-china sentiment in the sub)
2114
2115As mods we can try to delete comments or ban people but we don't like to have such a direct effect on the type of speech allowed on the sub so the rest of the users must also do their part and ignore these users and not fall for their biased narratives.
2116
2117It's a shame though that many use vote manipulation and brigading to make it seem like their opinions are that of the common Pakistani and in that case you should report suspect behavior.  17 10 2018 pakistan 15
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2119Idk about you but watching Abbas bowl was entertaining af for me. Don’t see disciplined quality fast bowling like that very often these days.  11 10 2018 Cricket 5
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2121[This is Parker all ready for his walk](https://i.imgur.com/OlUNuP9.jpg)! 6 10 2018 pakistan 8
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2123Let me explain this to you in a very simple analogy...
2124
2125Despite how right I think my opinion is I would never participate on r/TwoXChromosomes and dilute a space meant for women with what I think of their issues as a man. 
2126
2127It’s basic human decency to know what is your place to speak and what isnt.
2128
2129 5 10 2018 pakistan -2
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2131Not every thread that deals with an internal matter of Pakistan is an opportunity for you to go on a diatribe about “terrorism”. This sub is not a vessel for you to push your ideological agenda, it is first and foremost a space for Pakistanis to accumulate and voice their opinions on matters that pertain to them. 
2132
2133The sub had been accommodating to all kinds of members and encouraged open debate but a certain subset of users have abused the system to hurt the authenticity of the discourse that happens here.
2134
2135The mods will not allow for blatant vote manipulation and under handed tactics by that certain subgroup to further their narrative in a space that first and foremost caters to Pakistanis. 
2136
2137This policy came into effect after exhaustingly trying to provide a level playing field to all comers and even turning a blind eye to some users who have no stake in healthy discourse but rather only use this platform to spew bigotry. 
2138
2139But this policy of open debate came at the cost of turning away actual Pakistanis who are already discouraged by the receding spaces on the internet that provide room for them to debate internal matters of their homeland without having to constantly defend it to external voices.
2140
2141Moving on I would suggest to be cautious of the fact that your opinion isn’t welcomed on every discussion and if it dilutes the authenticity of this sub and its purpose it will be removed.
2142
2143Again, this is your last warning. 5 10 2018 pakistan 4
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2145Please stop derailing every conversation to your preferred talking points and spamming the same comment multiple times in the same thread.
2146
2147As per the new rules there will be heavy moderation against people who come here to start flame wars and shoehorn their agenda on this sub regardless of the topic at hand. 
2148
2149This is your last and final warning. 5 10 2018 pakistan 8
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2151Some of the shots in this movie are absolutely breathtaking, however they do convolute the plot line a bit.
2152
2153This is an awesome critique of it I came across on YouTube: https://youtu.be/O1OM93da0Ts
2154 
2155Btw check out 021 by Jami too, one of the most nuanced films on the Afghan War and also the only non-cheesy desi action thriller I've ever seen. Jami makes extremely cerebral movies. 2 10 2018 ABCDesis 0
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2157[Junoon in Central Park](https://youtu.be/72DdFulL2wk) is my fav example of people losing their shit to Pakistani music. 30 9 2018 ABCDesis 7
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2159
2160Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the most sought-after lawyer in British India and the man who eventually got Pakistan freedom, on the prosecution of Shaheed Bhagat Singh.
2161
2162>He said: “Well, you know perfectly well that these men are determined to die. It is not a joke. I ask the honourable law member to realise that it is not everybody who can go on starving himself to death. Try it for a little while and you will see… The man who goes on hunger-strike has a soul. He is moved by that soul and he believes in the justice of his cause; he is not an ordinary criminal who is guilty of cold-blooded, sordid, wicked crime.”
2163
2164>I do not approve of the action of Bhagat Singh... I regret that rightly or wrongly the youth of today is stirred up... however much you deplore them and however much you say they are misguided, it is the system, this damnable system of governance, which is resented by the people,'' Jinnah remarked.
2165
2166>He had worked hard in the library and copiously cited English law: “Is there today in any part of the globe a civilised government that is engaged, day in and day out, week in and week out, month in and month out, in prosecuting their people?
2167
2168>“And the last words I wish to address the government are, try and concentrate your mind on the root cause and the more you concentrate on the root cause the less difficulties and inconveniences there will be for you to face, and thank heaven that the money of the taxpayer will not be wasted in prosecuting men, nay citizens, who are fighting and struggling for the freedom of their country.”
2169There was no mistaking Jinnah’s high esteem for Bhagat Singh and his comrades.
2170
2171>The Tribune’s special correspondent reported: “Mr Jinnah created a profound impression by the excellent form in which he argued the case… winning applause after applause from the spellbound House when the president adjourned the House…”
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2174In some case ignorance isn't virtuous, I would suggest you to inform yourself about a topic before speaking with authority on it.
2175
2176The movie isn't based in Britain or about the upper class elite.   29 9 2018 ABCDesis 1
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2178Oh my god why are there so many reactionaries in this sub lol
2179
2180You realize the actual movie is about land disputes in a Pakistani village right? This prologue is supposed to detail the life of a character that is an overseas Pakistani, since that portion of her identity wasn't covered in the film. 29 9 2018 ABCDesis 0
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2182I try to only include music that palatable to western sensibilities in these threads, Ali Sethi is more of a traditional ghazal singer so idk if that kind of music would be appropriate for this sub.  29 9 2018 ABCDesis 3
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2184Yeah check out 
2185
2186Mela: https://youtu.be/m_WmHxbHAsQ
2187
2188Kirr Kirr: https://youtu.be/MQEO0lx9l00
2189
2190Gol Gappay: https://youtu.be/ml-aQiZBlCo 28 9 2018 ABCDesis 3
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2192The actual movie is quite different from the prologue and based in Pakistan.
2193
2194As for your hasty assertion, it actually got a lot of acclaim from various critics and other filmmakers so it's not as dire as you think. 28 9 2018 ABCDesis 0
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2196Part 2: https://youtu.be/AGKPmTR8ZAE
2197
2198Part 3: https://youtu.be/rJsM4vBpz6s
2199
2200Part 4: https://youtu.be/IMD5kvTlbv4
2201
2202Part 5: https://youtu.be/jnxi23VkjZM 27 9 2018 ABCDesis 2
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2204>Nouman Latif: "Wtih Asif in last 10 pakistan can chase anything. They just need to take it to the end as it is." - Cricinfo
2205
2206Man the amount of overhype around Asif is mindboggling, on what merit does he have this reputation of a massive hitter? Just cause he hit 3 sixes in one game in the PSL..?  26 9 2018 Cricket 14
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2208Oh no Asif hit a boundary, expect him to get out any minute now. 26 9 2018 Cricket 6
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2210Did pretty well in tests against England recently.
2211
2212Pakistan has been poor in 50 overs cricket for a while though, I think it's more of a mental thing than lack of skill. Batsmen can't judge how to graft an innings. 
2213 26 9 2018 Cricket 2
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2215His natural game seems to be to hit out. 
2216
2217So no I think the idea was right but Shadab just completely shit the bed. 26 9 2018 Cricket 1
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2219Man vividly remember Yousuf getting out that way in a test once. 26 9 2018 Cricket 2
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2221Don't think Pakistani's will care enough to support either. 26 9 2018 Cricket 2
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2223Yes, got hammered by Australia in the 99 World Cup final. 21 9 2018 Cricket 6
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2225I think you are spoiled by the Pathans in the Pakistani team lol 
2226  21 9 2018 Cricket 2
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2228>There is no way Afghanistan is going to beat India
2229
2230saving this, potential to be spicy in a few days time.
2231 21 9 2018 Cricket 21
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2233I think Babar has been sent out with the mission of lasting 50 overs at all cost.
2234
2235Not a bad strategy, there is enough fire power to bat around him but Pakistan just needs an anchor to graft the chase and he's the man to do it.  21 9 2018 Cricket 2
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2237Flash backs to Misbah days when we would block block block and then collapse. 21 9 2018 Cricket 10
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2239Absolutely embarrassing umpiring this entire tournament. 21 9 2018 Cricket 4
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2241Shahidi has played a perfect innings, picking up the pace at the exact right time. 21 9 2018 Cricket 5
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2243Love Hassans celebration, right up there with Akthar's condor! 21 9 2018 Cricket 2
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2245Most people from Northern Pakistan look like that. KPK, Gilgit/Balistan, etc... 21 9 2018 Cricket 7
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2247Doubt you would see celebrations in KPK if Afghanistan won but don't think they would be too upset by it.
2248
2249The millions and millions of Afghan refugees that Pakistan hosts might have something to cheer about though. 21 9 2018 Cricket 3
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2251Shaheen Shah Afridi really is  living up to his tribal name and performing so well at such a young age. KPK has produced some really amazing bowlers of late.  21 9 2018 Cricket 4
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2253Double Agent Shahzad already helped us out so it's only fair. 21 9 2018 Cricket 2
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2255Doesn't hurt that many of the players grew up playing in Pakistan. A few of them even live there when not playing for Afghanistan. 21 9 2018 Cricket 2
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2257regroup and come back mate, your shit isn't really hitting like you think it is. 21 9 2018 Cricket 3
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2259It's almost cute how naive you are lol Every post is about India and some are even making fun of Pashtuns and you don't think it's an Indian troll account?  21 9 2018 Cricket 10
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2261Idk if Indian troll accounts are a good portrayal of life in Peshawar lol  21 9 2018 Cricket 8
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2263This is the kind of rhetoric that anti-refugee Pakistani's use, I don't think it's helpful to paint this image of a rabid Afghan who is fueled by hate against Pakistan and a sense of ethnofacist superiority. 
2264
2265I think the millions of refugee's that have moved to Pakistan and are not willing to move back even after things have gotten better in Afghanistan is a better indicator of their views towards Pakistan. The millions of Afghan's in Karachi and other parts of Pakistan certainly don't hate their neighbors and are constructive members of Pakistani society.   21 9 2018 Cricket 5
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2267I'm not sure of that, a third of their population lives in Pakistan. Even a few of their national cricketers live in Pakistan. Imran Khan has just announced that Pakistan will look into giving Afghan refugees citizenship as well. 
2268
2269I'd say the general Afghan, who is poor and destitute, would love to relocate to Pakistan as many have. However, the political class isn't fond of Pakistan due to its efforts in fencing its borders and regulating the inflow of people as its been a security threat for years.  21 9 2018 Cricket 6
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2271>The Daily Show under Noah or Colbert or whoever feature only left wing commentary and bias.
2272
2273You are just proving my point, that is the definition of 'by design'. I'm not paranoid that someone is out to get me, I'm just saying that it's not a coincidence that they come to the conclusions they do because everything is twisted to fit a predetermined narrative. 15 8 2018 ABCDesis 7
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2275You can't actively try to spread misinformation and then hide behind the moniker of a comedian. The daily show prides itself on it's relevance in the American political landscape, it's more than just a comedy show. You are being naive if you think this isn't by design.  15 8 2018 ABCDesis 18
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2277https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/imran-khan-pakistan-election/566198/
2278> When I covered him as a journalist, I saw him speak out against enforced disappearances, attacks on freedom of expression and the press, extrajudicial executions, drone strikes that kill innocents, and the persecution of religious minorities. Off the campaign trail, Khan and his party have vowed to combat climate change. He led a desperately needed anti-polio drive in a country where the disease still stalks children. The Taliban have attacked anti-polio workers, accusing them of trying to sterilize people. Unlike Donald Trump, Khan has been a successful philanthropist, building two cancer hospitals that treat the poor for free and a university near his hometown.
2279
2280>In his speech on Thursday, Khan pledged not to seek political revenge on his opponents—a reflex common among demagogues. Instead of scapegoating minorities, as demagogues often do, he said he will protect their rights. He said he wants to unite the country and vowed to strengthen its institutions. He pledged to rid the country of corruption, holding himself and his cabinet accountable first, to educate the more than 25 million children out of school, and to build a future for the country’s overwhelmingly young population.
2281
2282Yeah sounds like a real extremist alright.  15 8 2018 ABCDesis 17
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2284Outworked and getting lit up are two very different things. It was a close fight, I just thought Waseem showed more skill and had a lot of good moments in rounds himself.  15 7 2018 Boxing 1
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2286Not a robbery but depends what you value more in a fighter. Mthalane showed more consistency but Waseem had the flashier moments and did the more damage.  15 7 2018 Boxing 1
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2288Yeah not really, Waseem was showing superior ring generalship.   15 7 2018 Boxing 0
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2290Waseem seems to be pushing the action, but the BoxNation commentators can't seem to stop sucking off Mthalane... 15 7 2018 Boxing 0
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2292No, it's a streaming service like Spotify. Artists get paid per stream from ad revenue and a subscription model. 6 7 2018 pakistan 3
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2294I'm not the one conveniently withholding facts and twisting things to peddle a conspiracy theory.
2295
2296The whole thing is based on conjecture and hearsay and falls apart pretty quickly when you realize that Nawaz was exposed by independent actors with no connection to Pakistan so how could his downfall be manufactured and part of a power struggle?
2297
2298Tired of people like you and him defending corruption, the people of Pakistan are celebrating this decision because they know what an ailment it has been to the nation.  6 7 2018 worldnews 7
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2300Lol so you're saying that the PM who got outed as a massive cheat by independent journalists from around the world in one of the biggest revelations of corruption and tax fraud in the world should not have been prosecuted quickly because it helps some all powerful deepstate that is spooky and evil.
2301
2302Got it!
2303
2304Let's disregard that this was special case to begin with because it dealt with a sitting PM and had massive implications on national security that a head of state was compromised like that so any action had to be swift. 6 7 2018 worldnews 12
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2306Lol this is based on so much conjecture it's hilarious.
2307
2308This anti corruption drive was famously started due to the fallout of the Panama Papers released by international journalists so your assertion that it's due to some civil/military rift is patently false.
2309
2310The religious fanatics that gained foothold were spurred on by Nawazs own party and the Army was called on to disperse their sit in because the civilian controlled institutions couldn't gain control of them, so again another falsehood.
2311
2312This utter state of denial and defense of an obviously corrupt man is rather sad. Clutching at conspiracy theories of some all powerful deep state making all the moves makes you sound like a paranoid lunatic. 6 7 2018 worldnews 19
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2314Yes the Pakistan Army also published the Panama Papers that started this investigation into Nawaz's corrupt dealings.
2315
2316Pakistan Army also used hypnosis to influence Nawaz Sharif to indulge in corruption. 
2317
2318*takes off tin foil hat* 6 7 2018 worldnews 28
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2320https://reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/8vayyu/dope_pakistani_music_in_urdu/
2321
2322I made this list a few days ago of the newer Urdu music in Pakistan, check it out! If you like something particular lemme know and I'll tell you more music like that.
2323
2324https://old.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/8rrikb/dope_pakistani_music_in_english/
2325
2326This one is some of the newer english music out of Pakistan, if thats more your thing. 6 7 2018 pakistan 5
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2328Yeah man that kind of vibey music is my weakness, love those synthetic beats n monotonous singing! lol
2329
2330If you loved that, [you'll like this too](https://youtu.be/QAnXs1h9O6Y). My go-to song after lighting a joint. 
2331 1 7 2018 ABCDesis 3
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2333Both these girls are really good live performers too.
2334
2335[Sara](https://youtu.be/JFhYj1_x7D8) 
2336
2337[Natasha](https://youtu.be/W8y2FmrE3_c?t=143) 1 7 2018 ABCDesis 3
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2339[Here's your new age qwwali music..](https://youtu.be/R1kzNfPac1g) lol
2340
2341I live for those 'lo-fi hiphop music to study/relax to playlist' type music as well. 
2342
2343And the line about masturbating wasn't just random lol it was more poignant in the context of him talking about extremists blowing up synagogues and protesting at cinemas while they jerk off at home.. talking about the ideological hypocrisy of people.  
2344
2345 1 7 2018 ABCDesis 7
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2347As someone who actually went to a Pakistani school and isn't a troll on the internet, I call bullshit. lol 23 6 2018 Cricket 6
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2349Lol yeah also as a Pakistani it makes me very uneasy hearing Indians say stuff like that cause it basically comes off as 'hey the only way I can see you as good is if I can ignore your sovereignty and claim you as part of the larger culture I identify with.' 
2350
2351I think there is a definite middle ground where you can appreciate the cultural overlap between the two countries and the shared history while also respecting the distinct identities of the two nation-states and recognizing the major differences as well.  23 6 2018 Cricket 26
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2353>The main difference between the 2 countries is the religious and cultural diversity on our side of the border
2354
2355The diversity isn't just on your side of the border, large swaths of Pakistan outside of Punjab also share no similarity with Indians either. 
2356
2357But yes I do agree with your main argument that this comradery shouldn't be built on us being 'the same people' because this is the kind of hegemonic worldview that erases the identity of many groups that don't fall under that umbrella and is also untrue. 
2358
2359The goal shouldn't be to not acknowledge the differences between people but be cordial despite those differences.  23 6 2018 Cricket 28
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2361[It has to be Urdu](https://youtu.be/Szlvd5qsqxc)
2362
2363Some of the greatest poetry is written in that language, and even in every day speaking its easy on the ears. 22 6 2018 ABCDesis 10
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2365Well they were made by Pakistanis.. what other criteria is there for something to be Pakistani?  18 6 2018 ABCDesis 12
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2367You're one poster who makes posts about all the different groups of desi's on this sub, have you noticed a difference in how certain nationalities are perceived on here? 17 6 2018 ABCDesis 5
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2369I was wondering why the post on Pakistani languages and the one about finding the best Pakistani food were both 60% upvoted despite being rather benign and informative posts. 
2370
2371Even most of the other posts here exclude all desi's in favor of just focusing on Indian people. 
2372
2373Maybe it's time for the rest of the diaspora to split into another sub so we can get equal representation, you know how Jinnah would have wanted ? 17 6 2018 ABCDesis 25
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2375A Pakistani bands contemparary take on Sahms Tabrizi. 17 6 2018 iranian 3
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2377The team that played Afghanistan was no where close to being significantly better than Pakistan.. 
2378
2379Let's see how India fairs in English conditions before we jump to conclusions about their main squad too. 17 6 2018 Cricket 3
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2381https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnv5iKB2hl4
2382
2383watch this video, it shows what makes a bad city flag.
2384
2385r/vexillology
2386
2387and why don't you start browsing this sub and learn what good flags are supposed to be like.
2388
2389 12 6 2018 pakistan 3
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2391dont know who this lady is but i looked her up and the most recent news regarding her before her comments on Pakistan was this: 
2392
2393[Hindu Nationalists Are Boycotting Amazon For Signing Up An Actress Who Spoke Out Against Child Rape](https://www.buzzfeed.com/pranavdixit/swara-bhaskar-amazon-india-boycott?utm_term=.ylARdRYJN#.guR959aYX) 
2394
2395LOL I'm pretty sure she's just shitting on Pakistan to gain her audience back, cause we all know Hindu Nationalists love nothing more than shitting on Muslims/Pakistanis.
2396
2397tfw you have the gall to call another country a failed state when you have to backtrack from speaking out against child rape in your country lol 4 6 2018 pakistan 4
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2399Big Sick was made by a Pakistani so obviously it was for non-Indians... 24 5 2018 ABCDesis 9
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2401nah mate, one of the level-headed individuals who actually participates in the sub with more than just non-sensical bickering.  24 5 2018 pakistan 7
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2403Oye daddu, have a way more prolific history on this sub than you. Actually, provide constructive content and don't get into slap fights. Put some respeck on my name.  24 5 2018 pakistan 6
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2405If you like vlogs then check out his [latest one](https://youtu.be/6S_wTVDWZww)
2406
2407But his series [Sayay](https://youtu.be/vJs04-0nu3Y) is his best work in my opinion, make sure you watch all 3 chapters. 22 5 2018 pakistan 2
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2409Nah mooroo is way better, superior story telling skills and always weaves in a narrative with high quality production value. 22 5 2018 pakistan 9
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2411I think the point is that the narrative shaped around these two tragedies is what's different. 
2412
2413Taliban represent a fringe of Pakistani society but Malala's shooting was presented in western media as an indictment of our collective culture. It wasn't put into context at all but rather largely showcased in a neat little sound bite claiming 'girl shot for going to school in Pakistan'.
2414
2415But that kind of condemnation of American society isn't present with the murder of this young girl. Even though white identitarianism was partly the cause of it you won't hear the narrative being that 'white boy shoots girl for being brown'. I'm not saying that would be a fair characterization of the events that took place but that western media is more prone to misrepresenting things to suit their national interests.
2416
2417And since this story doesn't really play into any kind of larger strategic goals, it will be forgotten in a week or so.  21 5 2018 pakistan 21
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2419>No
2420
2421[Yes](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36771838)
2422
2423>Random places? Really? Kashmir is not in my country, neither is it in yours.
2424
2425Yes, but India is your country and it is currently occupying Kashmir. 
2426
2427 20 5 2018 pakistan 1
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2429Categorically false. The 'militants' are mostly all homegrown, and they are fighting for their freedom. Stop defending your countries crimes in random places.  20 5 2018 pakistan 0
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2431The current Kashmir uprising is indigenous and fueled by India oppression, no matter how much morally bankrupt people like you deny this fact it won't change ground realities.  20 5 2018 pakistan 1
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2433Ok, so you seem to have completely abandoned the debate at hand and are just regurgitating nationalistic talking points. 
2434
2435Have a nice day! :)  17 5 2018 geopolitics 5
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2437>Nawaz was not the only one implicated, but he was the only one punished for it. Most, if not all of Pakistani politicians are corrupt.
2438
2439Ummm he was the only one who was the Prime Minister of the country, other people are being prosecuted as well but they don't pose as big of a threat as the country's premier being accused of siphoning money off-shore. Are you really standing up for a corrupt man just cause others also get away with it? lol Most politicians in every country are corrupt, doesn't mean everyone should just accept it as status quo.  
2440
2441>This was the narrative Nawaz countered. He put the blame on the military.
2442
2443Yeah because it was politically expedient for him to do so...lol If there was some innate truth to what he's saying he wouldn't be saying it when only he can benefit from it. 
2444
2445> For some reason Pakistan has a boat load of these people: Husain Haqqani, Nawaz Shariff and countless others. Pakistan seems to have a monopoly on having these sort of high ranking traitors.
2446
2447Two people are not a 'boat load', and both these people are accused of colluding with foreign entities for personal gain. Not the most stand-up individuals.  
2448
2449>Pakistan seems to have a monopoly on having these sort of high ranking traitors.
2450
2451Hey if the greatest superpower in world history is battling with the fact that it's President might have a conflict of interest with it's historical rival then Pakistan is small fish. lol These things are more common than you would think in international politics,  17 5 2018 geopolitics 7
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2453This is extremely biased.
2454
2455> Nawaz was sacked on charges of corruption, but it is widely believed he was sacked because he went against the military.
2456
2457If you believe the Pakistani military was behind the Panama Papers then sure this is a narrative you can latch onto but otherwise Nawaz's ouster was jumpstarted due to his name appearing on the list of government officials who had offshore bank accounts. 
2458
2459>Narratives are very important in Pakistan, all politicians in Pakistan must adhere to the narrative set by the military or face being branded a traitor.
2460
2461Again utter conjecture that can be simply disproven by the fact that every major political party in Pakistan has lent its voice behind the current popular civilian movement protesting the army pull back on the security measures it enacted in the tribal regions to eliminate Taliban control. If every political party was under the thumb of the military they wouldn't be able to challenge it on strategic practices it deems to have brought very real success in eradicating the enemy in the region.     
2462
2463>Nawaz Sharif who was sacked as President gave an interview bemoaning the military was providing protection to the terrorist who attacked Mumbai.
2464
2465Pakistan's foreign office has already, on countless occasions, admitted that these attackers did indeed come from Pakistan but that they did not have support from the Pakistani state in any fashion. And Pakistan is waiting for the Indian state to hand over key pieces of evidence so that they can prosecute the perpetrators of the Mumbai attack. Nawaz isn't making any new revelation, other than irresponsibly implicating the Pakistani army for his own political gain.
2466
2467The real game here is that the Pakistani judiciary has deemed Nawaz unfit to stand for elections due to the insurmountable corruption charges levied against him, and are slowly prosecuting his family and senior party members under similar charges. So in a last-ditch effort to portray himself as a political martyr, and drum up sympathy before the 2018 elections, he is coaxing the armed forces to forcefully depose of him by making bombastic statements that challenge Pakistans interests on the world stage. 
2468
2469
2470
2471 17 5 2018 geopolitics 7
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2473> it's antagonism with India has been the major stumbling block in South Asian regional integration, as well as in Sino Indian ties.
2474
2475I'm pretty sure territorial disputes are the main cause of that and not whatever you claim 'Pakistani antagonism' to be... 17 5 2018 geopolitics 8
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2477Um I didn't mean any disrespect by it, but they literally are just copying black culture to be caricatured as noble savages by the larger Indian public. lol
2478
2479And yeah there's that kind of Punjabi music in Pak as well, check out 
2480
2481[Farasat Anees ft. Guru Lahori - Laung Gawacha](https://youtu.be/TG7BRggoIFo)
2482
2483[Bilal Saeed ft. Bohemia - No Make-Up](https://youtu.be/dwiaTmTDHWM) 
2484
2485[Sama Blake - Perfect Scene](https://youtu.be/aVRNqp7SBkw) 15 5 2018 pakistan 5
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2487You are most def out of the loop, Pakistan doesn't have the anti-intellectual, self-ghettoized, aping black American culture type Punjabi music that comes out of the other side of Punjab but there are artists doing some really cool stuff in Punjabi. I'll link some here:
2488
2489[Shamoon Ismail - Basanti](https://youtu.be/U4D5ssgZHTc) 
2490
2491[Umer Farooq - Teri Ay](https://youtu.be/ZP_8CZYLJmo)
2492
2493[Riaz Ali Qadri ft. Zohaib Kazi - Takht Hazar](https://youtu.be/d-zXXP91Fco)
2494
2495[Ali Sethi - Kithay Nain Na Jorin](https://youtu.be/0QCX-7CSaMo)
2496
2497[Hadiqa Kiani - Kamli](https://youtu.be/TEndDGGmXzU) 15 5 2018 pakistan 2
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2499lol didn't mean to hit a nerve but the point of an interview is to hear the other person talk.  13 5 2018 pakistan 7
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2501Why the fuck is the interviewer talking more than the interviewee lol this whole thing just seems like a way for her to talk about herself... 13 5 2018 pakistan 12
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2503wtf its not a charity match lol pakistan treating ireland like any respectable opposition.  13 5 2018 Cricket 10
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2505Lol how is "MoHa" an obvious offender when he's been cleared every time he's been tested. 
2506
2507You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. 12 5 2018 Cricket -1
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2509once hassan ali comes in our tail is gonna be ridiculous, wish they had selected wahab so we literally could have had batting down to the last man.   12 5 2018 Cricket 9
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2511>Pakistan’s all rounder who has cleared the bio-mechanic test for less than 15 degree bend in the arm for the third time , has raised questions on the entire process.
2512
2513he cleared the testing tho...? he raises a valid concern, why is he being targeted on the whim of an umpire who can only see with the naked eye. all bowlers should face the same scrutiny to eliminate bias. 12 5 2018 Cricket 48
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2515damn man i used to take [stuff like this](https://youtu.be/xiExJqEQQ7M) for granted as a kid, didn't know in other countries you're not even allowed to criticize your government.   9 5 2018 india 2
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2517idk man im not from india so can't really say... although in pakistan we have almost all the similar problems as you guys, maybe even more so, but there has always been a serious subversive element in the arts. everyone from an [established mainstream artist](https://youtu.be/JtZ6NMAGuQU) to [newcomers](https://youtu.be/CxLdwPtBxoE) rails on the establishment/religious clergy.  9 5 2018 india 3
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2519Wow are you serious? In Pakistan video's like this are commonplace, Do you guys not have the same freedoms in India?
2520
2521[Would an artist in India be jailed if they made something like this?
2522](https://youtu.be/h7XMgK1H35c)
2523
2524
2525 9 5 2018 india 3
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2527it's not part of the OBOR initiative and it was built by both China and Pakistan in 79, it's known as the Friendship Highway in China to commemorate good relations between the two countries. 
2528
2529 4 5 2018 videos 7
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2531https://soundcloud.com/talalqureshi/mooroo-tasveer-talal-qureshi
2532
2533here's an acoustic live version if that's more your thing: https://youtu.be/9qrVyVEDbLE 4 5 2018 videos 7
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2535Pakistani people are known for their extream hospitality, especially if are non-native. You will hear from most westerners that visit Pakistan that they are completely taken back by the friendliness of the people.   4 5 2018 videos 6
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2537as in it is at an elevation of 4,714 metres (15,466 ft) above sea level. [you see how it's built on mountains and shit.](https://imgur.com/gW6knHK)  
2538
2539to put it in context mount Everest is at 29,029 ft above sea level but obviously theres no man made paved road to get up there.  4 5 2018 videos 4
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2541[no these clips are all from vlogs](https://youtu.be/XDJ0gjW9utE), new media fam. lol
2542
2543(turn on captions) 4 5 2018 videos 5
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2545lol thats just how its classified, cause im certain there are dirt roads that are on a higher elevation than the Karakoram Highway but its the highest road that's been intentionally paved so it's an engineering marvel in that regard. 4 5 2018 videos 4
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2547Wonder if you'd be ok with me calling your country a shithole since you seem like a 'certain' type of person to me as well. lol 4 5 2018 videos 11
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2549[should be like it's traveling in America for an American cause our motorways are built like the US. lol
2550](https://youtu.be/DkSbJKpAIyM)
2551 4 5 2018 videos 7
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2553lol the people of Hunza are some of the most hardworking and most educated, and it's a tourism hotspot. i think you are pretty ignorant about the region. 
2554
2555[here is a nice video to start learning about what it's like there.](https://youtu.be/-SzoHL7j-SU) 4 5 2018 videos 11
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2557[if a small dutch girl can do it alone on a motorcycle](https://youtu.be/pIVG9a3Ieyk), then so can you. 
2558
2559 4 5 2018 videos 11
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2561unfortunately no, but the guy who made the video is also a musician so he might have just composed it for that sequence.  
2562
2563it's his song that is used in the original post as well. [you can check that out here.](https://soundcloud.com/talalqureshi/mooroo-tasveer-talal-qureshi) 4 5 2018 videos 6
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2565[Also this is what the desert end of the country looks like.](https://streamable.com/eh6ft)  4 5 2018 videos 34
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2567Not an hour long but [here's a guide](https://youtu.be/_FyjK2CMLKw) on how to get from mainland Pakistan to these remote mountainous areas. 
2568
2569Too bad its in Urdu, but there are some really scenic shots in there though..lol  4 5 2018 videos 20
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2571Hussain Talat - Faheem Ashraf - Anwar Ali 2 5 2018 Cricket 6
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2573Faheem Ashraf
2574
2575He's a mainstay in the United set-up  2 5 2018 Cricket 7
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2577Gandhi is viewed very positively in Pakistan, the general consensus is that he was equally as vital to the freedom struggle as Jinnah and both of them were friendly contemporaries. This favorable opinion is also well deserved because he ended up losing his life for Pakistan when a Hindu hardliner murdered him for his stance on Pakistan being awarded it's just compensation after partition. 
2578
2579Sadly this kind of rabid anti Pakistan sentiment is still ever present in India, and that's the reason Jinnah is vilified across the border.  28 4 2018 pakistan 18
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2581yeah this whole comment just illustrates that you don't know much about the Pakistani constitution or its legislature. 
2582
2583it's pretty much as theocratic as india is secular in theory lol i'd actually argue that pakistan under military dictatorship was more open and free than either pakistan or even india has been under civilian rule. [you can't find me a politician who will answer a question like this in the whole of subcontinent.](https://youtu.be/O03A8IdNbMQ)
2584
2585these labels you are so proud of mean nothing. jokes on modi? lol gimme a break man, the guy is a demagogue with a cult of personality who got elected despite being heavily complicit in a state-sanctioned genocide on religious grounds, is that your secular ideals? lol your religious fringe has electoral power now, that's a scary thought! meanwhile, no religious party has ever won an election in Pakistan. 
2586
2587you fail to understand that these ideals mean nothing to the common man, they might be nice to flaunt for someone like you to show the western world how much you're like them but the common man doesn't care. That's why your country is just as susceptible to a leader like Modi than any other state who has maybe less "secular" ideals.
2588
2589 21 4 2018 india 3
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2591my point isn't to show pakistan as above india or whatever but for you guys to act like you don't also live in a shithole is downright laughable lol 
2592
2593there is way more religious freedom in india but it is extremely more casteist/racist than pakistan. whereas in pakistan you have way more freedom to criticise the establishment without there being major backlash meanwhile in india you have more opportunity to be socially liberal without people judging you. these are all realities but for you to fall for your government's propaganda and believe that you are somehow living in a utopian society and your enemies are irrational savages is what creates the atmosphere of complete division. 
2594
2595for you to fall so hard for these labels of secularism being good, and theocracy being bad is reductive because ground realities are way more complex. these labels mean nothing cause that's not how the countries operate in actuality. you have the internet now, go on youtube and see what pakistanis are actually like because whatever you get on tv is a controlled narrative.  21 4 2018 india 5
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2597Whatever floats your boat bro, I'm not the one living in delusion. Having a vibrant and subversive media is the biggest indicator of there being a diversity of opinion in a country. You are not even phased that you can't link me ONE mainstream artist criticizing your current government when every day there is some abhorrent news coming out of India? Real liberal paradise you got there! 
2598
2599You are moving towards religious politics everyday so it can only get worse from here, keep your head in the sand and hating the people you are taught to hate.  21 4 2018 india 3
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2601it's good burn cause it got you in your feelings fam, you know its a good joke when the other person starts talking about the 'history of classical and semiclassical playback singers' ??? 21 4 2018 Cricket 11
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2603Googled Vishal Dadlani all I got is Bollywood news. lol you can't even link me one instance of an established artist criticizing your fascist government in a piece of art. Secular democracy be damned lol I'm happy being from a country where the propaganda isn't so entrenched that you can see who's pulling what strings and call them out for it. 
2604
2605The fact that you guys censor maps like North Korea and still somehow believe that you live in an open and free country is sad af.  
2606
2607I don't care about how the rich are getting richer in India, the wealth disparity is still worse off than Pakistan. Go showoff about your friend's success to someone who cares. lol 21 4 2018 india -2
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2609If the mayor of London can do it then who's gonna stop the King of Gujranwala?  21 4 2018 Cricket 28
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2611If you can't see what's wrong with this video I'm assuming you have no idea how to flirt either... 21 4 2018 pakistan 3
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2613bro link me one video of an established artist having the balls to take on the establishment. for all the talk of secular democratic india you guys don't even have a mainstream culture of criticizing your own governments. 
2614
2615meanwhile in "islamic dictatorship" Pakistan no one is above critique for the public. civil government, army, religious clergy, everyone gets ridiculed.
2616
2617that's the problem with India, your population is satisfied with aping western ideals poorly and think that is the end all be all of a modern society meanwhile your neighboring countries are more focused on actual material change and don't give a fuck about 'ideology'.   21 4 2018 india -7
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2619lol well not surprised at Indians having trouble recognizing good musicians and fast bowlers. seems to be a dearth of those across the border :P  21 4 2018 Cricket 5
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2621Yes who else to teach us about flirting than [this man right here](https://youtu.be/0tVutcYBMtQ).  21 4 2018 pakistan 7
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2623one of the best fast bowlers in the world currently. what are you doing on a cricket sub?  21 4 2018 Cricket 15
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2625The captain is from Karachi, so clearly not a Sindh vs. Punjab thing. 17 4 2018 Cricket 4
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2627[have you seen the accompanying ad campaign?](https://youtu.be/famNyTLAxgI)  10 4 2018 mildlyinteresting 1
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2629Lol only jingoists thought his tweet was controversial, condemning state-sponsored killings isn't controversial. 6 4 2018 Cricket -4
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2631[they do ;\)](https://imgur.com/SBrfmaC) 5 4 2018 Cricket 52
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2633That was his acting debut I think, he's only acted in Indian movies so far. 
2634
2635[His debut Pakistani film comes out soo though.](https://youtu.be/X5DpOBaOI0A)  2 4 2018 Cricket 2
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2637Same guy, Ali Zafar was a pop star before he transitioned into acting.  2 4 2018 Cricket 2
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2639Pakistans real economy is in the tatters but the meme economy is on the rise ??????????? 31 3 2018 pakistan 48
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2641This is pretty much a Hindu-nationalist sub now, it was pretty progressive in its initial days but now not only are Muslims evil incarnate but slowly Sikhs are terrorists too now. lol
2642
2643But off course you will get your monthly post about how white people are prejudiced towards India every few weeks like clock work.  29 3 2018 ABCDesis 4
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2645no fuck that, he's one the best things to happen to Pakistan cricket in a long time!  27 3 2018 Cricket 5
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2647Wait insensitive question but do Sikhs not cut their pubes either? I never even thought about that...  27 3 2018 ABCDesis 13
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2649[This is the video that went viral.](https://youtu.be/35Fmdf2jaxY)
2650
2651[And this is a video segment on him being coached by Wasim Akram.](https://youtu.be/r77-Y3ArbDo)  26 3 2018 Cricket 27
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2653What a bizarro alternative reality where the entire cricket world is engulfed in controversies of stepping over the line and ball tampering and somehow Pakistan isn't involved at all cause the PCB is too busy hosting a well-organized tournament at home and developing channels to groom young talent for the future.   26 3 2018 Cricket 172
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2655They are all friends man, its not that serious..lol 25 3 2018 Cricket 1
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2657is it a missed catch if you dont even get a fucking hand on it? ffs kakmal!! 25 3 2018 Cricket 5
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2659^HUM ^ZALMI 
2660
2661HUM ZALMI
2662
2663       
2664
2665**HUM ZALMI** 25 3 2018 Cricket 5
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2667[About to start blasting this and doing the dance for good luck!!](https://youtu.be/arGX-WjsbX0)  25 3 2018 Cricket 4
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2669Pakistan is number in T20's, also don't think any other country has as many competent limited over bowlers as Pakistan.  25 3 2018 Cricket 2
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2671DJ playing No Makeup by Bilal Saeed but I haven't heard [this gem all night](https://youtu.be/zyQAuxbwkys?t=2m16s).  25 3 2018 Cricket 2
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2673Peshawar just has to survive this onslaught for a bit longer, it's gonna be Islamabad's bedtime soon.  25 3 2018 Cricket 3
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2675Chris Jordan in, I guess Zalmi is deciding the batting order by picking names from a hat.  25 3 2018 Cricket 3
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2677Unpopular opinion: When Hafeez turns it on there isn't a more aesthetically pleasing batsman than him.
2678
2679edit: FML he's out :/ 25 3 2018 Cricket 3
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2681Supporting Zalmi cause they beat Quetta to get here, and cause Darren Sammy Khan Shinwari has hobbled them to the final on one leg.  25 3 2018 Cricket 3
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2683[Hey does BPL have dope raps like this??](https://youtu.be/lm19t9jCLl4) ??? 18 3 2018 Cricket 1
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2685Only Quetta has this problem tbf cause they are one of the smaller teams in terms of monetary pull. All other teams get their guys to go.
2686
2687Kinda sucks for Quetta though cause they are consistently making the finals. 16 3 2018 Cricket 6
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2689bro i support your cause n all but you objectively have bad taste in music, that was good af.  16 3 2018 pakistan 3
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2691lol what? there are barely any pakistanis on r/cricket 
2692
2693 14 3 2018 Cricket 1
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2695Actually, I'd rather someone like Zohaib than Shoaib Mansoor, we need to move away from the past and give chance to all the great new musicians in the country. I think Zohaib and Ali are both more likely to experiment than stick to tried and tested formulas, Zohaib has already shown the skill to bend genres with his in work on Patari's Fanoos. 8 3 2018 pakistan 5
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2697Tbf he's not been that bad, his slower balls get stuck in the sluggish wicket and its hard to get him away with the large boundaries but this game him and Shoaib gave 39 runs in their 3.5 overs so could've been better.  8 3 2018 Cricket 3
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2699I actually like Islamabad's marketing push with the United moniker. Since they can't match other cities in terms of tradition and history being built in the 60's as a planned capital, they are targeting the entire country as being a representative of a collective identity.
2700
2701Before the PSL while other franchises were promoting their cities and teams Islamabad was instead focusing on highlighting other sports and lesser known cultural aspects around Pakistan. 
2702
2703Showcasing [Women's soccer in Lyari](https://youtu.be/PDVjwP60ahs) or [Parkour in Balochistan](https://youtu.be/e-JCG8GCx3Q), and all the other things they do helps them gain a lot of goodwill with neutrals.  8 3 2018 Cricket 7
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2705Multan has a really strong bowling attack but they don't pick 5 specialist bowlers in favor of playing an extra batsman. That means Malik and Pollard have to bowl 2 overs each, all other bowlers had finished their quotas so Pollard had to bowl the last over.  8 3 2018 Cricket 3
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2707The wicket has something for the bowlers, also the quality of bowling is pretty high.   6 3 2018 Cricket -2
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2709Is this 'i don't know english' a marketing ploy to make her more marketable for the Brazilian market? 
2710
2711I hate her already.  4 3 2018 MMA 1
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2713hey its me, your friend
2714
2715reply me! ? 4 3 2018 Needafriend 6
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2717Dalit Hindus are one of the most discriminated classes of people in the world, many of them convert to Christianity or Islam to get out of the cycle of oppression under Hinduism.  
2718
2719Glad to see this and I hope she can become a symbol of hope for other Dalits around the world.   3 3 2018 pakistan 40
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2721well 42 technically...lol
2722
2723we really suck at this.  3 3 2018 Cricket 46
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2725Yay its back!! 28 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2727Holy shit Rahat Ali what a peach!  28 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2729Ok? Props to India for doing all that... but all those developments have taken place in the last few years. Pakistan helped Afghan cricket get off the ground tho.
2730
2731Anyways, don't really care if you recognize it. I'm just glad that a third of Afghanistan's population that now lives in Pakistan fell in love with our favorite sport and some of them took it back home.   28 2 2018 Cricket 16
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2733Man are you serious? lol
2734
2735Pakistan allowed Afghan teams to play in their domestic tounaments before it was cool to do so for goodwill. Gave financial assistance and qualified coaching. All for nothing in return. 
2736
2737How classless do you have be to downplay a good gesture and actually talk down someone for doing it.   28 2 2018 Cricket 11
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2739Pakistan brought cricket to Afghanistan, now it will bring cricket to China. 
2740
2741Only country that's actually trying to grow the sport instead of just trying to cash out.  28 2 2018 Cricket 5
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2743[Adil Omar
2744](https://youtu.be/gDexDNf2lHs)
2745
2746[Big Baby Gandhi](https://youtu.be/cxn82nSXlkE)
2747
2748[Das Racist](https://youtu.be/yEruv_6rcIo) 
2749
2750 28 2 2018 ifyoulikeblank 2
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2752Easy there, Ashwin. lol 27 2 2018 Cricket 9
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2754Yeah you're right, it is sexist. But cricketers usually aren't the most socially conscious people. [I mean Sehwag was trying to incite communal hatred against Muslims just this week](https://scroll.in/article/869939/virender-sehwag-apologises-for-tweet-giving-kerala-lynching-a-communal-colour). 
2755
2756We should probably just stick to sports on this sub though, instead of using every opportunity to get political.  26 2 2018 Cricket 12
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2758"Afridi has always been a great supporter of women's cricket and whenever we used to cross paths in the national academy in Lahore he helped us and encouraged us." - Kianat Imtiaz, Pakistans Women's Team
2759
2760Afridi was also instrumental in getting the Pakistan Women's team a sponsorship deal.
2761
2762His words or opinions might not be the most politically correct but at least his actions are having a positive impact. 26 2 2018 Cricket 42
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2764No one speaks Hindi in Pakistan...  26 2 2018 Cricket 4
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2766Oh god, little Ibitisam has to bat now. 25 2 2018 Cricket 1
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2768Younis: "I requested Rahul Dravid, I need 5 minutes from you, can I come to your room? He obliged and actually came to my room himself, we sat and talked about pacifism and he gave me life advice. Ever since 2004 I took the things he said to heart..."
2769
2770Interviewer: "What did he say to you?"
2771
2772Younis: "He told me about some incidents, some anecdotes from his life, and ever since 2004 my cricket totally changed. I've mentioned this before that Rahul Dravid for me is a very nice human being. 
2773
2774Interviewer: "In your opinion, our viewers are asking, are Tendulkar and Dravid equal talents?"
2775
2776Younis: "Listen, Tendulkar was a separate case, he came in the game and made a mark instantly. But Rahul Dravid was like me, or Javed Miandad, we performed when we came onto the scene for the first 3-4 years but then we had to work very hard and evolve ourselves. Whereas Sachin came to the game at 16 and has been on top ever since, there's no comparison between as both are top players, but to score all those hundereds and do it consistently is no easy feat. 
2777
2778Interviewer: "10th September 2013, do you remember that date?"
2779
2780Rashid Latif butts in: "Are we talking about Tendulkar..Tendulkar was an ordinary player against average bowling, an extraordinary player against good bowling, and when facing the best bowling attacks in pressure situations he was a genius" 
2781
2782Interviewer: "Under pressure genius? But I've read in the Indian press that Tendulkar doesn't play as good in the second innings under pressure..."
2783
2784Rashid Latif: "Tendulkar was one of the few players who I've played with, alongside Miandad, Viv Richards, and Aravinda de Silva, that knew what the next ball was gonna be before it was bowled.
2785
2786Younis: "And you know this talk about oh this guy can play under pressure and this guy can't or he's a match winner and he isn't, these kinds of things are only said in our countries and it's complete nonsense. If a person knows that he has his whole team and his whole country on his back, and people worship him like a god, and that if you don't score a hundred there will be immense backlash, isn't that enough pressure?
2787
2788Interviewer: "What was your toughest period in test cricket"
2789
2790Rashid Latif: *jokes* "I'd say right now is pretty tough"  25 2 2018 Cricket 33
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2792Asad Shafique doesn't deserve to be in a T20 team.  24 2 2018 Cricket 1
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2794Holy fuck Umaid Asif, what a star. 24 2 2018 Cricket 4
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2796Virgin Peshawar Bowlers vs The Chad-wick Walton 24 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2798You already said Pakistan in your original comment, are you trying to go in circles bud? 23 2 2018 pakistan 9
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2800Pringle man on suicide watch. 23 2 2018 Cricket 5
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2802LOL why does it feel like everyone practiced their celebrations in front of the mirror for this PSL.
2803
2804 23 2 2018 Cricket 10
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2806Whats with T20 teams opening with Narine? Is there some success behind this experiment..? 23 2 2018 Cricket 4
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2808Same could be said of literally all major nations. Almost as if these lists aren't some moral barometer but just a tool of manipulation.  23 2 2018 pakistan 7
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2810Man Chris Lynns injury hurting Lahore already with Akmal shitting the bed behind the stumps  23 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2812Man Lahore's owner is such a genuinely nice guy makes it so much worse that they suck so much shit.  23 2 2018 Cricket 19
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2814Poor start from Shaheen, looks frustrated as well. 23 2 2018 Cricket 5
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2816[One of Pakistan's biggest vloggers is at PSL, it's a nice look into what goes on behind the scenes.](https://youtu.be/QPOWm_huWJI)  23 2 2018 Cricket 4
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2818Last years finalists both being toppled in their opening games, looks like we might be looking at a shakeup in this PSL. 23 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2820Anwar's offside heaves are much needed!!!  23 2 2018 Cricket 1
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2822[all the teams and their brand ambassadors](https://imgur.com/ydxKL2H) ???? 23 2 2018 Cricket 12
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2824Man Quetta shitting the bed, they are missing Shehzad. Very low on batting talent.  23 2 2018 Cricket 3
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2826i used 'metal af' cause ppl on the internet use it for things that are dope.
2827
2828Call is a famously known as a rock band, [check em out](https://youtu.be/EEHFY__Fc1w)! 23 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2830A little thing I wrote about Shoaib Akhtar with another account, my favorite bowler of all time: 
2831
2832>For me the intrinsic value in cricket or any sport in general is its potential to present a larger symbol for the raw elements of life. I wouldn't put so much stock behind these seemingly meaningless spectacles if it wasn't for the metaphors. I'm not a rational sports fan that looks at stats and numbers to make well informed choices, I let emotion and nostalgia cloud my perception to make heros out of flawed men. Shoaib was that hero for me, the Mike Tyson of cricket. The parallels are endless between the two men right down to the false aura of invincibility with which they carried themselves.
2833
2834>Tyson wouldn't crack the top 10 of any boxing fan worth their salts, just like many of you are probably scoffing at my audacity to even bring up Akthars name is this discussion. But both of them transcended their records to become enigmatic, almost fictive, characters that captured the imagination of impressionable fans like me to the extent of such delusion that we have them edging out victoriously through every hypothetical "what if" scenario.
2835
2836>The short tempered, ill mannered, maniacs who didn't know better than to bite their opponents ear off or swing a bat at your own teammate. The uncouth and uncultured deviants that had their reputation marred by leaked reports of their genital warts or rape allegations. Two boys from disadvantaged families that were never supposed to grow up to be men, and certainly not two that would bring about the highest level of physicality their respective sports had ever seen. Forever undisciplined and a lack of focus that would ultimately force them to embarrass themselves, towards the ends of their careers, against lesser men like Kevin McBride and Harbjhan Singh. Devout Muslims turned ranting, overweight lunatics.
2837
2838>Whether it be awe, fear, disgust, or pity, they had the unmatched ability to draw on emotions. The real life embodiment of the fascination that runs through our collective literary traditions of taking a crude, wildly ambitious man, building him up, and then destroying him. People professing sanity will always bring up Robinson, Ambrose, Ali, Akram as clearly being superior, and rightly so, but to people that are more prone to suspending their beliefs to a time where maybe Cus hadn't passed away or Imran hadn't retired clearly know who the biggest, baddest, motherfuckers were and no one before or after will ever be better. 23 2 2018 Cricket 0
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2840Not even, that Jacquelin chick was there last season.  22 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2842Means our team 22 2 2018 Cricket 5
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2844Javed Afridi is friends with him I guess, he was with that Sharma comedian guy yesterday.  22 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2846Seriously, Hafeez on his day is one of my favorite batsmen!  22 2 2018 Cricket 3
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2848lol Junaid is pissed.  22 2 2018 Cricket 3
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2850I love that Junaid and Irfan get to be under Wasim Akrams tutelage for this season, I hope he can get them back on track and we can further bolster our fast bowling bench.  22 2 2018 Cricket 6
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2852Well they'll never be able to compete with a league like the IPL in terms of having top batting talent so its a good differentiation strategy, they can capture a niche market.  22 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2854I think they wanna be the 'bowler heavy' league, even the guy on the logo is a bowler instead of the usual batsman swinging the bat. 
2855
2856I think that's one of the reasons the games are always so close, and Pakistani fans love a low scoring thriller.   22 2 2018 Cricket 3
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2858yeah it looked like the ball rose as it passed the glove but there was no sound and the slow-mos didn't really show the ball touching the glove either. very weird   22 2 2018 Cricket 3
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2860Man I missed watching Irfan bowl, hopefully he gets his mojo back in this tournament. Lost a bit of his pace due to injuries.  22 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2862Holy shit Tanvir bowling banana swingers  22 2 2018 Cricket 4
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2864Really like how Zalmi have incorporated the sponsor logo's into their kit with subtlety meanwhile Sultans have just plastered them on there like they were designed on powerpoint.  22 2 2018 Cricket 5
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2866man would have been funny if the umpire dropped the ball in true pakistani fashion  22 2 2018 Cricket 7
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2868thats a good stream! 22 2 2018 Cricket 4
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2870Instead of making the graphics better it seems they have doubled down on shaadi decoration aesthetic. 22 2 2018 Cricket 4
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2872I die everytime Hareem says "shimi shimi ayee" 22 2 2018 Cricket 6
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2874no it's live.  22 2 2018 Cricket 5
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2876Techno Abida with those graphics on the ground are tripping me out.  22 2 2018 Cricket 9
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2878you're completely missing the point. you actually think i'm taking this shit personally when it has nothing to do with me..lol 
2879
2880i'm not the only one who's noticed this either btw, this very post is complaining about there 'being no love for psl' and im just explaining that people make posts about it but due to this campaign of trying to suppress anything related to it most people dont see it.  22 2 2018 Cricket 7
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2882I don't really care about imaginary points. lol
2883
2884I just wanna highlight the fact that there are people out there that bring their petty biases even to sports! 
2885
2886 22 2 2018 Cricket 7
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2888[I wanna see him do the dance he did in this video while wearing that mustache.](https://youtu.be/gI300_euhv4) 22 2 2018 Cricket 5
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2890Don't really care if you think I'm a whinger.. lol
2891
2892Every match thread gets a few downvoters, but this is way more than that. Literally, every post related to Pakistan cricket is downvoted.
2893
2894It might not be a big deal to you, but literally most spaces on the internet are swarmed by a certain subset of people that absolutely despise anything Pakistani. This a problem even on r/Pakistan. r/Cricket didn't use to be like this but it's slowly going to shit too. 22 2 2018 Cricket 7
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2896Yes sir, I'll only complain about things that matter to you from now on. Any other requests? 22 2 2018 Cricket 7
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2898this is by far the stupidest comment i've read on this sub, i would advise you to delete it. 22 2 2018 pakistan 5
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2900Your post is currently 68% downvoted, there is no reason why it should be.
2901
2902I've been making posts leading up to the PSL every day for the past week and they were all initially downvoted as well so didn't get much attention. 
2903
2904I'll link them here: 
2905
2906[Lahore vs Karachi](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7yew61/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_lahore/)
2907
2908[Quetta vs Peshawar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7y76pa/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_quetta/)
2909
2910[Islamabad vs Quetta](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7ynidg/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_islamabad/)
2911
2912[Lahore vs Islamabad](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7yw7xw/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_islamabad/)
2913
2914[Peshawar vs Quetta](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7z660m/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_peshawar_zalmi/dulki9j/?context=3) 22 2 2018 Cricket 10
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2916They don't have to stop, doesn't mean we can't call them out for it.  21 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2918Yeah I know PSL is way smaller, its newer, fewer people follow it and it's inferior to bigger leagues. But it has the potential for growth and is a genuinely exciting product. I'm not asking for special treatment or upvotes or whatever, but the fact that literally all posts related to it are automatically downvoted is annoying.  
2919
2920People will be discouraged to even participate if this continues. We know why it happens, and the mods should take a hard stance against this type of nationalistic behavior. Make a sticky post discouraging it. 
2921
2922I remember this sub going on a rampage against Bangladeshi fans for their irrational behavior on other platforms but it seems other folks are above being chastised for the filth they bring on this sub.  21 2 2018 Cricket 11
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2924I meant like a mod post so at least there can be a discussion about it. Clearly, nobody pays attention to that hover texts.  21 2 2018 Cricket 4
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2926Yeah but you can accept that it's a real issue.. instead of trying to say that 'oh thats just cause you guys don't have a kohli' 
2927
2928You can make posts to dissuade people from doing this sort of thing. All the Pakistani posters that used to visit this sub are totally discouraged to make posts now due to them being systematically silenced.  21 2 2018 Cricket 1
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2930They let him go for Duminy I think. 21 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2932[Yeah totally has nothing to do with Pakistan mate.](https://imgur.com/YMKFmCj) 
2933
2934any post, any comment, no matter how innocuous gets downvoted. i'm sure its cause we don't have a kohli, and not because a certain fanbase is extremely rabid and bigoted. the mods should be doing something about it but i guess it's easier to just explain it away. 21 2 2018 Cricket -1
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2936They have Pollard, Perera, Malik, and Maqsood if he fires. 21 2 2018 Cricket 4
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2938**1 Day to go till PSL**
2939
2940This is a series of posts to relive one of the most thrilling tournaments I've seen, with a large number of games being absolute nail-biters. Hopefully, this season can live up to the hype!
2941
2942Previous Posts: 
2943
2944[Lahore vs Karachi](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7yew61/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_lahore/)
2945
2946[Quetta vs Peshawar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7y76pa/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_quetta/)
2947
2948[Islamabad vs Quetta](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7ynidg/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_islamabad/)
2949
2950[Lahore vs Islamabad](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7yw7xw/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_islamabad/) 21 2 2018 Cricket 14
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2952I've noticed that the majority of posts on r/cricket are at the least 90% upvoted whereas a majority of posts pertaining to Pakistan cricket usually garner much more downvotes than usual. 
2953
2954Can someone explain this to me? 
2955
2956[An example from randomly selected posts from the r/cricket frontpage right now.](https://imgur.com/a/hBMK3) 20 2 2018 Cricket 13
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2958**2 Days to go till PSL**
2959
2960This is a series of posts to relive one of the most thrilling tournaments I've seen, with a large number of games being absolute nail-biters. Hopefully, this season can live up to the hype!
2961
2962Previous Posts: 
2963
2964[Lahore vs Karachi](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7yew61/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_lahore/)
2965
2966[Quetta vs Peshawar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7y76pa/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_quetta/)
2967
2968[Islamabad vs Quetta](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7ynidg/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_islamabad/) 20 2 2018 Cricket 8
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2970I make posts about it but they seem to get more downvotes than most of the other posts on this sub for some reason.. 19 2 2018 Cricket 21
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2972**3 Days to go till PSL**
2973
2974This is a series of posts to relive one of the most thrilling tournaments I've seen, with a large number of games being absolute nail-biters. Hopefully, this season can live up to the hype!
2975
2976Previous Posts: 
2977
2978[Lahore vs Karachi](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7yew61/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_lahore/)
2979
2980[Quetta vs Peshawar](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/7y76pa/close_finish_countdown_to_psl_2018_quetta/)
2981 19 2 2018 Cricket 7
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2983This game was played in the UAE.
2984
2985Most of them are except the final, however they are moving more games to Pakistan this season.  18 2 2018 Cricket 1
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2987Well, Quetta is the team with the lowest budget but they have made it to the last two finals so not really an underdog anymore. 
2988
2989You should go for Lahore, they've consistently been at the bottom of the tables and don't really have much star power.  17 2 2018 Cricket 4
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2991sure, it's your prerogative to ignore historical context.  14 2 2018 Cricket 2
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2993dont think it was a compliment, it's more akin to saying 'how articulate' to a black man who orates well. and this is a big trend on this sub, only sports sub where that kind of racism is allowed.
2994
2995never seen jokes about a players language skills on r/soccer  14 2 2018 Cricket 8
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2997my bad, i guess language supremacy is still big in certain parts of the world.  14 2 2018 Cricket -6
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2999The whole purpose of the video was to highlight failures and not letting them define you. How does it ruin it..lol 
3000
3001That's where the whole psyche of Pakistan cricket comes from, the audacity to win in the face of unfavorable odds.  14 2 2018 Cricket 15
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3003Because it sells...
3004
3005In Pakistan, this type of unveiled hatred is common in large numbers amongst the disenfranchised people who are either uneducated or only religiously educated, but you wouldn't find it acceptable in contemporary popular culture or being normalized through commercial entities. 
3006
3007But due to the lack of an impartial media and the heavy-handed rightwing propaganda machine, this behavior is being normalized en masse in India. Not only are fringe elements gaining political access but also cultural acceptance. A corporate entity wouldn't ever run an ad that they didn't think would bring a positive association to their brand and by the looks of the reactions to this ad on the internet, even young educated Indians can't seem to see why its wrong.
3008
3009Whats happening in India should be our biggest motivation to keep our society on the trend of moving away from extremism.  14 2 2018 pakistan 18
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3011you can post it :)  13 2 2018 ABCDesis 1
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3013lol i didnt plan on making another one but i could give it a go, not sure there'd be much interest though 13 2 2018 ABCDesis 1
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3015[i posted a similar thing on pakistani streetwear](https://np.reddit.com/r/streetwear/comments/5zkh5l/inspo_streetwear_in_pakistan/) 12 2 2018 ABCDesis 2
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3017If you like angsty desi music, [this is the greatest thing you will ever hear](https://youtu.be/EEHFY__Fc1w). Wait till the guy starts singing, goosebumps! 8 2 2018 ABCDesis 2
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3019Again not defending Pakistan banning Indian movies for whatever reason, my gripe was the condescending tone by people in this thread that appear to suffer from cognitive dissonance. 
3020
3021Most Indian movies are not banned in Pakistan, and even 6 out of the 10 you listed were banned for their portrayal of the Pakistani state.    5 2 2018 india 4
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3023What part of 'most' is so hard to understand. My whole gripe is Indians hold Pakistan to a standard which their own country doesn't even follow. Like why are so many Indians in this delusion where they can point fingers at other countries while their own government does the same shit... 
3024
3025Pakistani movies and TV shows like Waar or Dastaan have been banned in India for similar reasons. Of course, we're a much smaller market so there will be fewer examples. But India has routinely banned media critical of its practices or perceived as being harmful, I can lazily link to a [wiki article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_India) as well. lol 5 2 2018 india -1
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3027Yes hence the 'most', Pakistan isn't immune to stupidity. 
3028
3029I didn't think I'd have to explain the concepts of overzealous bureaucracy and an emotional populace on an Indian sub. 
3030
3031Don't look down on us for things you guys do too.. lol 5 2 2018 india 9
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3033[lol Zero Dark Thirty was a propaganda film, my friend.](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/14/zero-dark-thirty-cia-propaganda) 
3034
3035Your *Phantom* example is akin to saying that India would allow a Pakistani film portraying the Samjhota Express blasts in a biased manner to play in their country, [whereas we know that even innocuous romantic Pakistani films are banned in India](https://www.voj.news/here-is-why-exactly-bin-roye-was-banned-in-india/).
3036
3037Just some food for thought.. 5 2 2018 india 17
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3039Most Indian movies that aren't outright propaganda are released in Pakistan tbh. 
3040
3041 5 2 2018 india -7
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3043Man the commentators really sucking India off, would think they have ran away with this game already.  30 1 2018 Cricket 2
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3045Arshad looks like an absolute tank. 29 1 2018 Cricket 3
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3047We know India only cares about one kind of 2020 ;)  28 1 2018 Cricket 3
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3049Just cause he's fat like Jesse Ryder doesn't mean they're the same person. 28 1 2018 Cricket 9
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3051It was all gracious as long as Pakistan was losing. I'll let you do the math. 28 1 2018 Cricket 14
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3053Unlike NZ Pakistan has their own league though, don't think these players are starving for cash. 28 1 2018 Cricket 6
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3055LOL not even a Tuffey over couldn't win you lot this game from this point  28 1 2018 Cricket 4
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3057He was yelling at him to get the ball, also none in the team cares about Sarfraz telling them off during the heat of the moment cause he apologizes after the game.  28 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3059[Youtube Link for anyone who can't access the CNN video player.](https://youtu.be/2a6czh08W5Y) 19 1 2018 politics 3
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3061Imam has a better strike rate than Amin and an ODI hundred in way fewer attempts, I swear you always say random shit with so much authority. 19 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3063Imam and Sami Aslam are both better openers. 19 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3065what dynamism are you talking about? has he ever shown any kind of spark at the international level..? 19 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3067lol he's never made good of all the chances he's gotten, failed again today like usual. 19 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3069isn't tui ass?  12 1 2018 Cricket 3
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3071Shadab at point is a revelation, I'm not used to us having a world-class fielder at that position. 12 1 2018 Cricket 5
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3073Also this "instrument of accession" was signed under duress, not ratified by any organ of the U.N, and India has incidentally never produced an original copy of it. 
3074
3075All in all, it's not worth the paper it is supposedly written on.  10 1 2018 pakistan 7
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3077man i dont care about stats and shit Amir is the best bowler in the world to me, I swear everytime he has the ball in hand the game's more exciting. 9 1 2018 Cricket 7
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3079>I'm a staunch atheist so even comparatively small religious influences in a country that is officially titled the Islamic Republic of... are going to rub me the wrong way.
3080
3081Hey, you might just be a bigot then mate. You are the other side of the coin of a fundamentalist Muslim getting pissed at all the objectifying ads of scantily clad women in Times Square and cursing the "American regime" lol 8 1 2018 travel 3
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3083>it did leave me feeling uncomfortable about indirectly supporting that sort of regime by bringing them tourist custom.
3084
3085what regime? lol Pakistan has a democratically elected government, its not some authoritarian state. The places you visited are not even fully under the writ of the state, hence known as remote and tribal areas. It's not the "regime" forcing women to stay indoors but the native culture of these places which are cut off from mainstream society because they live in fucking mountains.
3086
3087 8 1 2018 travel 3
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3089[Holy shit I hope this guy is safe!](https://twitter.com/AndColorPockeT/status/949531655257010176) 6 1 2018 pakistan 19
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3091Yes, but to claim they are funding 'fundamentalists' as an indictment of their policy but excusing others in the region while they do the same is being dishonest. Pakistan doesn't fund 'fundamentalist' as a policy, they just fund their interests to maintain a balance of power regardless of ideology.  6 1 2018 ABCDesis 6
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3093>By funding fundamentalists they fund their own interests tho. That is until those fundamentalists turn against the populace.
3094
3095Name one major player in geopolitics that doesn't do that, that's the nature of the game. I find it hilarious that Americans and Indians can point fingers at Pakistan when these countries engage in the same practices. 6 1 2018 ABCDesis 6
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3097lol Pakistan doesn't fund 'fundamentalists', they just fund their own interests in the region. That's how geopolitics works, literally every country does it. The United States is just mad that Pakistan is pursuing its interests over theirs and that is an unreasonable expectation. As far as the money is concerned it is mostly payments owed to Pakistan for services provided by the Pakistani military.  6 1 2018 ABCDesis 9
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3099First ball 4 for Shoaib, only 196 more till his 200!  6 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3101> Thats only the map if you discount Indian claims to kashmir 
3102
3103That's the actualy fucking map, that's what things are like on the ground at the moment. You can't just draw imaginary maps. Real world boundaries don't change depending on 'who draws the map'
3104
3105Do you see that line of control? That's the point up to which India is occupying Kashmir, linking to a political map of India doesn't change ground realities. 
3106
3107>Currently 2 have troops in the region india and china.
3108
3109Wrong again champ, Pakistan also has troops on the line of control. 
3110
3111> But knowing that takes knowing the geopolitical situation of the region.
3112
3113I'm from that region genius.
3114
3115> Like I said you think you're smarter than you actually are.
3116
3117Thats you "Mr. Depends on who draws the map" lol  6 1 2018 worldnews 8
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3119My guy, [this is the map](http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/pakistan_map.jpg)
3120
3121Tell me how US will get supplies to Afghanistan from India without them sharing a land border.  6 1 2018 worldnews 4
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3123Man I know Americans suck at geography but this is just embarrassing.  6 1 2018 worldnews 7
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3125Indians have like 5 talking points that they have to interject in every discussion on Pakistan, Rajesh is just filling his quota.   6 1 2018 worldnews 11
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3127never heard it before but doesnt sound like a very "sporty" song 6 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3129why's the dj playing depressing ass music? 6 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3131damn those hot chips look good af 6 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3133Yeah thanks to Pakistan. 6 1 2018 politics 3
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3135[Is that Faisal Masjid in the back](https://imgur.com/8DYx6w3) #creepingsharia? 6 1 2018 Cricket 6
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3137-_- i hope this is a joke. lol 5 1 2018 Cricket 3
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3139Do as I say, not as I do! 
3140
3141 5 1 2018 Cricket 5
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3143Sarfraz sounds like my dad when he's berating me for fucking up some menial task. 
3144
3145TRIGGERED 5 1 2018 Cricket 6
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3147I can't even with you kid, pls link me to one time Raees has bowled in the death for Pakistan.  5 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3149lol omg, i hate how you speak about this stuff so authoritatively. 
3150
3151Junaid is faster than Raees and has produced amazing test spells and also has a history of being an amazing death bowler. Ruman has had like 2 international games. lol
3152
3153I like them both but stop this "Raees is better hands down" shit.  5 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3155lol no he's not, Junaid is really good. 5 1 2018 Cricket 3
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3157World Number 1 for a reason baby! 
3158
3159Hasan eats wickets for lunch. 5 1 2018 Cricket 6
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3161Really? Him and Junaid were great! I love Irfan. 5 1 2018 Cricket 1
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3163umm we pretty much always have a good fast bowling attack...? lol
3164
3165thats the one thing we have! 5 1 2018 Cricket 4
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3167Sarfraz: "Amir if you wanna bring the ball in then tell me I'll remove the slip my love" ?????? 5 1 2018 Cricket 5
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3169wow this is like watching a sitcom without a laugh track
3170
3171very unsettling 
3172
3173 5 1 2018 Cricket 4
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3175Literally, everything going to shit cause of the wind!  5 1 2018 Cricket 9
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3177[Hmmm James Mattis says otherwise.](https://streamable.com/1ftma) 
3178
3179I wonder who knows more, random guy on reddit or the US Defense Secretary  5 1 2018 worldnews 24
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3181> thus partial responsibility for their atrocities
3182
3183true that! America commits too many of its own atrocities to be partially responsible for any other countries.  5 1 2018 worldnews 2
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3185Well, Pakistan really didn't have a choice, after Pakistan helped the Americans defeat the Soviets in the 80's they just packed up bag and left Afghanistan leaving Pakistan to deal with a war-torn mess and needing to take in millions of refugees. 
3186
3187According to Pakistani insiders, they were holding Osama as collateral to make sure they got a favorable outcome in Afghanistan this time around. Pakistan can't afford for Afghanistan to fall into the hands of their adversaries at any cost because they will be surrounded on both fronts with India on the other side. 
3188
3189I'm sure the United States would harbor all kinds of terrorists, which they have shown a propensity of doing anyways, if the alternative was Mexico falling into the hands of the Russians. 
3190
3191Every country has a right to pursue their national interests but it seems the Americans expect Pakistan to pursue America's best interests at the cost of their own sovereignty. 
3192
3193Also, it's funny how deluded the American public is to utilize the crutch of morality in these debates when their country has killed hundreds of millions of innocents in their name! 
3194
3195As they say, don't hate the player hate the game.    5 1 2018 politics 1
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3197More like when you stop paying for services don't expect people to do shit for you.  5 1 2018 worldnews 30
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3199[Every American needs to watch this video of Defense Secretary James Mattis explaining Pakistan's relationship with the United States to understand how fucked what Trump is doing is.](https://streamable.com/1ftma)  5 1 2018 politics 7
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3201Hmmm that is evidence of your own prejudice more than anything.. 5 1 2018 pakistan 4
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3203What?! I'm not offended by genius, where did you even get that from..lol I swear you're one of the most biased posters on this sub. 5 1 2018 pakistan 2
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3205If you watch the video Mattis explains how the Americans left Pakistan high and dry after they accomplished their goals dismantling the Soviet Union, leaving Pakistan to deal with the mess in Afghanistan.
3206
3207Many believe Pakistan was using Osama Bin Laden as collateral to ensure a favorable outcome for itself in Afghanistan this time around.  4 1 2018 politics 4
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3209LOL! The 500,000 dead Iraqis say otherwise. 4 1 2018 news 2
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3211Don't worry from now all your tax dollars will go to your own country that incidentally is also a terrorist harboring shit hole! 4 1 2018 news 1
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3213Man, it's crazy how the U.S makes time to create all these lists while also killing black people every day.  4 1 2018 news -18
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3215>This drama serial is based on a novel, which is written by eminent Punjabi writer Amrita Pritam. The screenplay for ‘Ghughi’ is written by Amna Mufti and is directed by Iqbal Hussain. “The serial shall be based on Amrita Pritam’s despair account of the massacre during the 1947’s Partition. She vehemently spoke about the violence against women of all caste and creed leading to a total disbelief in the word ‘humanity’.” This unique play depicts the period between 1946-1947. ‘Ghughi’ is an intense love story, which is hampered by a kidnapping; the play aims to depict a romance saga between a Muslim and Hindu with all the fears, differences and morals at stake. 4 1 2018 pakistan 5
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3217Pakistan has closed the supply lines before, [it took a public apology from Hillary Clinton for them to reopen them](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pakistan-agrees-to-open-supply-lines-after-us-apology/2012/07/03/gJQAXW60KW_story.html?utm_term=.6f5f5c081184). I don't see why they wouldn't do it again. 
3218
3219Also what benefit would India do in this regard? They don't share a border with Afghanistan. 4 1 2018 politics 7
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3221Your little theory falls apart when you realize that Pakistan is the only country that is trying to fence the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan and Afghanistan outright opposes the fencing. If Pakistan was doing what you allege them to why would they be fencing that border. 
3222
3223Not to mention Pakistan has pretty much taken back all territory from these rogue groups inside its borders meanwhile 40% of Afghanistan is still under Taliban control despite the presence of the American military. 
3224
3225Insinuating that the greatest military force in the world has utterly failed in Afghanistan due to Pakistan's support of a few thousand Haqqani fighters is downright laughable.  4 1 2018 politics 16
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3227Contrary to popular belief it isn't Pakistan that has dealt America "lies and deceit" but in fact, it is America that has been a terrible ally to Pakistan. And this isn't me saying that it is corroborated by Defence Secretary James Mattis. He underlines [here](https://streamable.com/1ftma) how publically humiliating U.S policymakers have been towards Pakistan and how it undermines the unfettered help they have provided to the United States.  
3228
3229And the fact of the matter is that the United States holds absolutely no leverage over Pakistan anymore. The "U.S Aid", of which over half of is just reimbursements for services the Pakistan military has provided to US in Afghanistan, is of no consequence to Pakistan as it makes up less than .5% of the annual GDP. And Pakistan can sabotage the American occupation of Afghanistan exponentially by closing the supply lines tomorrow and leaving the troops having to survive on mre's and costing America billions of dollars needing to pursue alternative routes. The bombastic remarks by Trump will do little in terms of persuading Pakistan to not follow their own national interests. America is just trying to scapegoat Pakistan for their utter failure in Afghanistan. As explained by Pakistan's Foreign Minister [here](https://youtu.be/lQV5ajuX4Hg?t=4m19s), Pakistan has cleared its territory of rogue groups and is looking to fence the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan despite pushback from the Afghans and Americans. He also implies that it is in America's best interest to prolong the conflict to achieve ulterior motives in the region while blaming Pakistan's alleged support for a network of a few thousand fighters for the failure of the most well-equipped military force in history, 150k NATO troops + over 200k Afghan army.
3230
3231To anyone with common sense, it would be obvious that Pakistan would be the biggest proponent of peace in the region, as it would benefit economically from stability in its neighboring region. And that's why it makes complete sense for them to further ally with China who they have aligned interests with. The United States will further continue to lose its prominence in the world as we move to multipolarity and Trump is merely just exasperating the process. 
3232
3233I welcome this move by Pakistan because it will increase ease of trade and it will be interesting to see how this affects the world economic order if other countries decide to do the same.  4 1 2018 politics 45
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3235How is it yes? How is China forcing us to be a part of CPEC? Of course, it will be in China's favor, that's how deals work when one side is adding way more value... but it's not in China's favor to the extent that you are comparing it to literal imperialism. That's absurdly pessimistic and reeks of biased scaremongering.  2 1 2018 pakistan 7
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3237This is literally the laziest criticism of CPEC. Is China forcing Pakistan to accept these economic terms? Is there any other investment coming into Pakistan? Does Pakistan conduct large amounts of trade at the moment? The answer to all these questions is NO. 
3238
3239Even if CPEC doesn't create a single job for a Pakistani it will still be a net gain because it will increase the volume of trade in Pakistan exponentially. No one is willing to invest in us at the moment, Pakistan will have to get its house in order and enact major reforms to benefit from CPEC but at least China is giving us an opportunity to do so. 2 1 2018 pakistan 14
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3241LOL reminds me of their ad campaign when Pakistan and India last played a bilateral series. 
3242
3243https://youtu.be/waebiHAlX7E 27 12 2017 Cricket 11
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3245No you misunderstood my comment! I'm not saying you are upset with Pakistan. I'm saying that the centralized government of India leads to the cultural hegemony that you have a qualm with. 
3246
3247I'm completely aware of Pakistans synthetic identity but I'm quite ok with that. I'd rather no national identity than some revionist bullshit that suppresses the unique identity of various groups. 
3248
3249The Pakistani establishment has tried to forge a national identity but thankfully to no avail. I think it is great that there are many ethnic nations that have autonomy over their traditions and way of life. Pakistan should merely be a contract between those people that their collective bargaining power yields better returns than if they were to secede. 
3250
3251Funny you mention Khalistan, as they were given this deal of complete autonomy if they decided to join Pakistan but they went with India for other reasons. And in turn, they ended up losing the right to even have their religion recognized as separate from Hinduism. Just like how South-Indians have had their language and culture trampled by Hindi.  26 12 2017 pakistan 1
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3253>if congress had agreed to autonomous status for muslim regions, there wouldn't have been a pakistan and all your nationalist users who frequent this sub would have been propounding indian nationalism
3254
3255Well obviously, as much most people believe Pakistan was created on the basis of religion, political ideology was way more important for the basis of partition. Jinnah wanted a federalist state where the country was an amalgamation of nations(provinces) with their own histories and identities joined together in contract for defense and IR purposes.
3256
3257He was opposed to India's vision of centralized power in New Delhi, which gets to dictate terms to the rest of the country. This would render people without political representation voiceless. I guess that's what you are upset about because you have to learn about shit that doesn't have anything to do with you.  26 12 2017 pakistan 1
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3259You're welcome! And yeah Punjabi music in Pakistan is getting super diverse. 26 12 2017 pakistan 2
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3261[Mendah Ishq Vi Toon](https://youtu.be/vqmCkNI6wzM) - Kashmir (Alt-Rock)
3262
3263[Mela](https://youtu.be/m_WmHxbHAsQ) - East Side Story (Bluegrass)
3264
3265[Pyar Di Ganderi](https://youtu.be/_IQD2GySCR0) - SYMT (Rock)
3266
3267[Jutt Blues](https://youtu.be/M7mtHFfiZ6g) - Shamoon Ismail (Blues)
3268
3269
3270
3271 26 12 2017 pakistan 1
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3273lol unfortunately they are not so i'll refrain. 26 12 2017 pakistan 2
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3275Man, I loved Sikandar Ka Mandar's debut music but they seem to have completely reinvented their sound in that last year or so. 
3276
3277But somehow this album is just as amazing as their earlier stuff! Bhaagi, Shehri, Sayasatdan, Bolo, and Cassette Kahani are all dope songs that will definitely be in heavy rotation in 2018. 26 12 2017 pakistan 3
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3279Unfortunately, I cant tell one dialect from another. Also, she's a Baloch who just happens to sing in Punjabi so I can't even guess. 
3280
3281If you like her music she has a bunch of amazing Punjabi songs: 
3282
3283[Mera Ishq](https://youtu.be/dV3pkeR0MHg)
3284
3285[Akhiyaan Nu Rehn De](https://youtu.be/UgyrRI5Gt1w)
3286
3287[Bewafaiyaan](https://youtu.be/5kY5tyrdMh8)
3288
3289There are also many other female singers with big voices who do Punjabi balands like that: 
3290
3291Sanam Marvi - [Vairay Avar](https://youtu.be/dm90QonZLnU)
3292
3293Meesha Shafi - [Yaar Mere](https://youtu.be/L0VjpXrlFeQ)
3294
3295Mehak Ali - [Kameez Teri Kali](https://youtu.be/JWXZ2iU94Gc)
3296
3297If you want I can also link some contemporary Punjabi music being made in Pakistan that goes beyond traditional genres, maybe you'd be into that!   26 12 2017 pakistan 1
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3299Have you listened to Ali Sethi? He's a new-age artist that repurposes traditional Punjabi and Urdu music. 
3300
3301Here are some of his Punjabi Songs: 
3302
3303[Kithay Nain Na Jorin
3304](https://youtu.be/0QCX-7CSaMo)
3305
3306[Umran Langiyaan](https://youtu.be/REhOKUs_2wM)
3307
3308[Mahi Mera](https://youtu.be/dImqZ9TNvQc) 
3309
3310[Chan Kithan](https://youtu.be/mx1V0f9YLrE)
3311
3312Here are some random popular Punjabi songs in the last couple of years: 
3313
3314[Saiyaan](https://youtu.be/ETk1EHgnmWI)
3315
3316[Teri Ay](https://youtu.be/eEkPRWfkFIs)
3317
3318[Rureya Rawe](https://youtu.be/vqqNksr5lQA)
3319
3320[Jaan De](https://youtu.be/C_RmfqbvuxI)
3321
3322 25 12 2017 pakistan 2
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3324Too bad Arabs dont stand by us though. Kashmir is even more militarized than Gaza, but you wont see the same outpouring of support for them as you do for Palestine because the Arab superiority complex. 
3325
3326 20 12 2017 pakistan 23
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3328A few songs I'm listening to right now...
3329
3330Shajie: [Dosti Pyar](http://patari.pk/home/song/Shajie-Dosti-Pyar)
3331
3332Kashmir: [Faislay](http://patari.pk/home/song/Pepsi-Battle-Of-The-Bands-Ro-Raha-Tha-Kashmir) 
3333
3334Sikanda Ka Mandir: [Gheri Neend](https://youtu.be/9MqHNcCxs7E)
3335
3336LUG: [Gushagaye](http://patari.pk/home/song/LUG-Lyari-Underground-Gushagaye-Gucci-Gang-Remix-DJ-Khalifa-Ft-Lil-AK-100)
3337
3338Mehdi Maloof: [Peero](https://youtu.be/d1mSR8iavWA) 5 12 2017 pakistan 4
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3340You have to listen to their album Gunkali, it took them 5 years to make it but you can hear that in the splendid production.
3341
3342My favorites are Piya Dekho Na and Morey Saiyaan. 4 12 2017 ipm 1
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3344In terms of media depicting Hindus here are some links for you: 
3345
3346Drama Serial [Seeta Baagri](https://youtu.be/n9DC0mzYj2c) 
3347
3348Film [Ramchand Pakistani](https://youtu.be/ZdsDj65UQsQ) 
3349
3350Music Video [Thumri](https://youtu.be/pYSe7-h3wXw) 26 11 2017 pakistan 4
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3352smh, the level of discourse is truly in the gutter on this sub now.
3353
3354i don't have a personal stake in him being a chucker or not, I'm just providing a counter narrative and backing it with facts.
3355
3356But I've just been downvoted without anyone actually providing any sort of actual rebuttal on what I wrote. 14 11 2017 Cricket 1
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3358This is such a stupid response, going by your 'eye test' [Brett Lee was the biggest chucker](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4jD_EK8WpOM/hqdefault.jpg). lol 
3359
3360 14 11 2017 Cricket -2
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3362I know r/cricket is pretty much only good for played out one liners now but maybe read the articles I posted before getting in your feefee's. 
3363
3364I'm not saying the tech is inferior, people who have dedicated years to bio-mechanics are saying the ICC is going back to using out-dated methodologies now.  14 11 2017 Cricket -1
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3366LOL @ everyone calling Ajmal a cheat like he was deliberately trying to bend the rules. 
3367
3368As far as I remember his action was always a point of contention and he submitted himself to all the necessary ICC testing and was subsequently cleared to bowl by the ICC.
3369
3370It wasn't until an inferior, more cost effective, methodology was adapted for testing bowling actions when all these bans began started being handed out. And that was the downfall of Ajmal's career. 
3371
3372He didn't cheat, he played within the rules, and when the rules changed he tried to conform to them but couldn't. 
3373
3374Here are some links to read more about this: 
3375
3376[George Dobell explaining the legality of Ajmal's action after the testing procedure by the University of Western Australia](http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2012/content/story/552586.html)
3377
3378[UWA, who cleared Ajmal, lamenting the ICC's secretive and out-dated new testing protocol.](http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/story/789267.html)  14 11 2017 Cricket -25
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3380If anything Kohli is one of the only Indian players that is attractive to Pakistani sensibilities. If you ever notice Pakistani fans have almost always praised him, even before he made any of these remarks.  4 11 2017 Cricket 39
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3382You fuckhead I have a problem with you mischaracterizing Pakistanis as Indian, I couldn't care less about whatever else you're on about. 2 11 2017 ABCDesis 4
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3384You literally called them Indian, if it is ABCDesis stop calling everyone Indian! Wouldn't have an issue if you called them 'Desi comedians and Journalists'...
3385
3386Don't really give a shit if you care, other people are actually proud of their nationality and don't wanna be mischaracterized.  1 11 2017 ABCDesis 5
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3388Zayn and Kumail are Pakistani. 31 10 2017 ABCDesis 3
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3390man i hope sri lanka keeps going on like this, want a close game like the last one!! 29 10 2017 Cricket 1
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3392Hmmm... when they said don't go to Lahore you might get slaughtered, I don't think this is what Sri Lanka had in mind.  29 10 2017 Cricket 12
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3394i like the name, he gifted it so why change it...
3395
3396plus gaddafi was based  29 10 2017 Cricket 5
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3398its impossibly small, and the prize is only $500. 
3399
3400why even bother? 27 10 2017 Cricket 1
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3402why not send in Faheem or Hasan at this point to wack a few around and make it easier at the end?
3403
3404it's probably harder for them to come and hit with the added pressure of a higher run rate  27 10 2017 Cricket 2
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3406lol wtf is this team that Amir is carrying bats... too much bowling bench strength. 27 10 2017 Cricket 7
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3408Yeah like Indians aren't infamous for cheating and corruption.. lol 
3409
3410I'd say it's a pretty normal day. 25 10 2017 Cricket 0
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3412[Actually James Mattis thinks that the U.S. has been a rather disappointing ally to Pakistan and it should reconsider it's actions.](https://streamable.com/1ftma) 
3413
3414 26 9 2017 india 3
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3416[Pakistan is a source of hope for all the oppressed groups under Indian occupation. 
3417](https://youtu.be/HxegIDKQyHQ) 26 9 2017 pakistan 9
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3419I was somehow able to get my hands on a song by the band Nafs that they performed on the show but hasn't been released yet. It is by far my favorite, I made a recording of it. It's called [Ji Sassi](https://soundcloud.com/faizan-qazi-2/ji-sassi-nafs). 10 9 2017 pakistan 1
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3421Try Jambro, its an app that lets you find musicians close by to jam with.  9 9 2017 pakistan 2
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3423> We also had our very big contributor sreze banned from this sub because he truly cared about this sub.
3424
3425Good, rid the sub of all the low effort shitposters. 9 9 2017 pakistan 19
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3427Balochis are too busy making [rap music](https://youtu.be/KnqiXwU1R1M). 9 9 2017 pakistan 4
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3429Man Kashmir is literally so fucking good, their contemporary atmospheric alt-rock sound is a breath of fresh air especially in Pakistan. 
3430
3431What I love most about the bands from this show is that they have all etched out their own unique sounds. And thats why there's such a strong and instant reaction from people who identify with a particular sound. 
3432
3433Some people absolutely love [Roots](https://youtu.be/dVxCAyZssss) while others who don't get their prog sound can't understand how they made it this far. Same thing with [Pindi Boys](https://youtu.be/2t6QTVEC6ag), who I absolutely hate, but their fans swear by their ingenuity. 
3434
3435I hope all the people that were complaining about corporate entities running music in Pakistan continue to support all the bands from this show organically. 
3436
3437It'd be a shame if bands like [Darvesh](https://youtu.be/mPjpuKoygJA), [Positive](https://youtu.be/Z6boRgeLxWA), [Madlock](https://youtu.be/7IaIfmNzeZI), [Khamaaj](https://youtu.be/L5gvzoaMYcM), [Naksh](https://youtu.be/N11EE02cNYk), disappear because they can't sustain making music without an audience.   9 9 2017 pakistan 3
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3439acha yaar tum first aa jao  7 9 2017 india 2
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3441[Watch this video](https://youtu.be/_FyjK2CMLKw), it has some nice shots of the motorways. 7 9 2017 india 0
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3443Yup Mooroo is the king of cohesive story-telling style vlogs and Junejo has some of the slickest editing.   21 8 2017 pakistan 3
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3445Coke studio is getting a bit stale now man. 
3446
3447Try [Battle of the Bands](https://youtu.be/3hlNm6-YAWY), I don't believe you get very much of this kind of indie music in India.  15 8 2017 india 16
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3449They made a studio version of this song for the movie Janan, it's much better sound quality than this video. 
3450
3451[You can find it on Patari](http://patari.pk/home/song/Janaan-OST-Reidi-Gul-Yusra-Iqbal-and-Awais-Niazi).  26 7 2017 pakistan 3
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3453Ehsan Bhai I thought you didn't like the Punjabi music from Pakistan.
3454
3455Don't you only listen to Yo yo Honey Singh type songs? 22 7 2017 pakistan 7
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3457Not the full match, but nice extended highlights without the fluff.
3458
3459https://youtu.be/RocLMY8twbg
3460
3461 28 6 2017 Cricket 6
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3463[Brother /u/greenvox, make this the banner pic for the week to show support!](http://imgur.com/ND8CtrI)  23 6 2017 pakistan 18
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3465What did Imran do that was bad tho? He won a fucking WC and groomed legendary players for Pakistan, non of his teammates have a negative thing to say about him.   22 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3467Lol wtf has Imran Khan got to do with this?  22 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3469Man I've seen Bin Roye, Jawani Phir Nahi Aani, Actor in Law, and Ho Mann Jahan in theaters in Jersey. They definitely get released in the US, you just have to make an effort to find the cinema and go support those films.  20 6 2017 pakistan 3
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3471HEY INDIAN FANS, WHO ARE TOTALLY NOT AS CRINGEY AS BANGLADESHI FANS, HERE'S A LITTLE INSPIRATION FOR ALL YOUR """ORIGINAL""" """JOKES"""
3472
3473[GET 4 ACROSS AND SEHWAG WILL PROBABLY RETWEET IT WITHOUT GIVING YOU CREDIT!](http://imgur.com/rrVLDvB) 17 6 2017 Cricket 46
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3475tbf, we could have chased 300 here. lol 14 6 2017 Cricket 7
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3477beating all these high ranked teams should help our ICC rating. lol   14 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3479Pakistan's bowling is way superior to Australia's  14 6 2017 Cricket 4
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3481[Pakistans senior contingency cautiously optimistic.](https://twitter.com/MurtazaGeoNews/status/874997673119682560) 14 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3483Rashid being put out of his misery here.  14 6 2017 Cricket 2
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3485By far the most pretentious and annoying poster on this sub. 12 6 2017 pakistan 12
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3487[Before the game with SA
3488](https://twitter.com/BaeBuss/status/872450656392577024)
3489
3490[Before the game with SL](https://twitter.com/ZAbbasOfficial/status/873971419515899904)
3491
3492Someone get Zainab to Eoin Morgan!!
3493
3494 12 6 2017 pakistan 5
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3496[Don't let this close game distract you from the fact that Hasan Ali has the greatest celebrations in world cricket right now!](http://imgur.com/ZPdQGf6) 12 6 2017 Cricket 131
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3498straight boundaries are really small, thats why Pak bowlers werent bowling full. 12 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3500whichever captain she takes a selfie with their team ends up losing.
3501
3502did it with AB vs Pak, Kholi vs SL, and now Mathews vs Pak 12 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3504Zainab has become a living meme.
3505
3506https://twitter.com/ZAbbasOfficial/status/873971419515899904 12 6 2017 Cricket 6
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3508wtf willow where is the pak vs sl game? 12 6 2017 Cricket 2
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3510wicket has something in it for the bowlers, our batsmen will def shit the bed!  12 6 2017 Cricket 3
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3512what was there to review sarfraz? lol  12 6 2017 Cricket 3
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3514Need to keep them under 200 if we want any sort of chance at chasing this!! 12 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3516Fuck my life Amir and Junaid bowling in tandem, it's all I ever hoped it would be and more! ? ? ? 12 6 2017 Cricket 3
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3518lol Amir coming thru with a liberal amount of 'bhenchods' after that wicket.  12 6 2017 Cricket 3
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3520Afhim Ashraf bowling a very erratic line.  12 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3522Best celebration in the game baby!!
3523
3524YA ALI MADAD!  ? 12 6 2017 Cricket 4
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3526does anyone have an acestream link? :)  12 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3528I didnt mean to single you out man, your joke was pretty tame and we totally deserve ridicule for being ranked so low. 
3529
3530It was just that your comment was on top and I had read a bunch of comments by Indians on the match thread talking about how immature and cocky Bangladeshi fans are while missing the irony of those statements.  9 6 2017 Cricket 13
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3532Being how much Bangladesh fans get ridiculed on r/cricket, it's surprising to see no one calls out Indians for being as obnoxious as 
3533they've been all tournament.  9 6 2017 Cricket 96
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3535why would you root against your own team? lol 
3536 9 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3538ISI agent.  8 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3540Lol did Dhoni almost clap for that atrocious wide?  8 6 2017 Cricket 2
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3542lol you don't need to compare them to wahab, indian bowlers have been this shitty for ages now. 8 6 2017 Cricket 0
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3544SriLankas jerseys are soo cancer, I swear all team kits are getting cheaper and uglier as time goes along. lol 8 6 2017 Cricket 2
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3546they haven't lost a game yet, fuck are you on about? lol  8 6 2017 Cricket 5
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3548Fuck me Dhoni ate that banana so angrily!  8 6 2017 Cricket 14
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3550Who should I be supporting as a Pakistani?
3551
3552India winning should help us right... 8 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3554watch homecoming king by hassan minhaj, very funny stand up special! 7 6 2017 Cricket 3
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3556chance of more overs being played?  7 6 2017 Cricket 3
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3558well memed my friend, well memed indeed  7 6 2017 Cricket 3
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3560how do you know? 7 6 2017 Cricket 0
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3562its a joke. lol 7 6 2017 Cricket 3
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3564This is why test cricket will always be the greatest format. 7 6 2017 Cricket 9
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3566woah 4 runs just off one ball!! slow down bois 7 6 2017 Cricket 5
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3568Not fun when you're Pakistani yourself. lol 7 6 2017 Cricket 12
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3570Nara-e-Haideri YA ALI YA ALI! ? ? ?  7 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3572Umm our batting was stronk af in the 90's, wouldn't mind tbh.  7 6 2017 Cricket 4
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3574This is pretty cringe tbh...
3575
3576Virgins of r/india using this as some sort of validation of their manhood, it's just as bad when Pakistani's politicize Shoaib and Sania's relationship.  5 6 2017 pakistan 1
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3578Lol I guess its just tough to field on this ground. 4 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3580[Checks scorecard as a Pakistani fan...](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBeblnlVYAAOBCU.jpg) 4 6 2017 Cricket 13
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3582Fml this weather is killing me, like South Asians needed more reasons to hate England!  4 6 2017 Cricket 5
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3584LOL at Rohit Sharma eyeing Amir after getting a top edge..
3585
3586Like congrats my guy, you finally got bat on ball!  4 6 2017 Cricket 8
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3588He's a cringeworthy twat idk why Indians love him so much... 4 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3590Don't worry you'll remember their names after today ;) 4 6 2017 Cricket 1
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35922 - 0 Pakistan 
3593
3594only 98 more overs to go! 4 6 2017 Cricket 4
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3596Who remembers when Rohit Sharma described Amir as an ordinary bowler? LOL 4 6 2017 Cricket 7
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3598fuck me, is it forecasted to rain? 3 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3600whats the song they're playing in the stands right now?!?! 2 6 2017 Cricket 1
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3602This name would make too much sense tbh, watch them go with Multan Warriors or some shit.  1 6 2017 Cricket 6
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3604Man I usually look forward to Englands new jerseys but these are kind of ugly. 
3605
3606Also does Bangladesh have lasers on theirs? I hate pointless graphics like that.. 1 6 2017 Cricket 2
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3608Actually there's quite a bit of 'leftist music' in Pakistan. Just a few songs of the top of my head..
3609
3610[Kithay Reh Gaye](https://youtu.be/Gqu4XVwTddo)
3611
3612[Khaak Nasheen](https://youtu.be/BgYO-GEiLGk)
3613
3614[Bum Bum Phata](https://youtu.be/YXPu_XAZbV0)
3615
3616 30 5 2017 pakistan 8
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3618[here buddy.](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Coke+Studio+Season+9) 11 5 2017 pakistan 2
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3620There are some similar stills from the promotion work for Moor that feature an old man and the Quetta snowfall. 
3621
3622http://imgur.com/ZxZQybw
3623
3624http://imgur.com/XyddBfr 20 4 2017 pakistan 2
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3626> We're not biased against any one nation
3627
3628Do a better job of portraying that in your actions.
3629
3630And I would have taken it to modmail if it was one incident. There is a clear bias in which kind of posts and comments are deleted and they consistently favor one outlook. Can't really keep reporting things when even the rules in place are so vague that it's basically up to a specific mod to deem whats appropriate and whats not appropriate. 
3631
3632 7 4 2017 Cricket 1
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3634that's your prerogative and I respect your opinion. but when I see others getting away with saying things like that and only certain people are reprimanded, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
3635
3636I'm not ok with only certain peoples sentiments being respected. 7 4 2017 Cricket 1
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3638while I'm glad you've somehow made this about yourself, my post was to address moderation policy.
3639
3640 7 4 2017 Cricket 8
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3642and that kind of selective moderation is what I'm talking about. basically it's all down to mod bias on which type of "politics" are allowed, and only certain things are taboo it seems! 7 4 2017 Cricket 2
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3644I don't mean to be a dick either but it's broadly correct that Australia is a country built on racism and genocide, but I'm not stupid enough to think that a comment like that has any place on r/cricket... but according to you and the mods, saying shit like that about Pakistan is all good! 7 4 2017 Cricket 7
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3646In the same time frame they were also providing arms, training and monetary support to Sri Lankan Terrorist groups that *invented the concept of suicide bombing*!
3647
3648India has always been the biggest threat to peace in the region, they've also turned against the only other hindu majority nation, Nepal, in recent times.   7 4 2017 pakistan 19
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3650[Nothing will ever top this.](http://i.imgur.com/Lgh7T7D.jpg) 6 4 2017 Cricket 26
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3652[Nabi ji Salam - Khurram Iqbal](https://youtu.be/THBqBs7qU3s) - Written By Anwar Maqsood 3 4 2017 pakistan 6
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3654Feminism is inherently about the equality of sexes, I don't how it could manifest itself in a drastically different way in the East. 
3655
3656If you think western Feminism is all the bullshit you read on reddit then take into account how wrong they are about things relating to Pakistan before writing off the entire movement. 
3657
3658People who stand to lose power will always try to portray the group fighting for more rights as irrational by presenting the fringe elements as the base. 
3659
3660Israelis say Palestinians are bloodthirsty terrorists, straight people say gays are perverted deviants, and men say women are hysterical. Classic cases of might is right...until it's not anymore.  2 4 2017 pakistan 7
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3662What a weird question, I don't even know how to answer it...but anyways here's a few male singers who have nice voices.
3663
3664[Ali Sethi](https://soundcloud.com/alisethi/ali-sethi-kithay-nain-na-jorin) 
3665
3666[Altamash Sever](https://soundcloud.com/nescafepakistan/dhol-bajay-ga-nescafe-basement-season3-episode-4)
3667
3668[Mooroo](https://soundcloud.com/mooroomusic/tasveer)
3669
3670[Zamad Baig](https://soundcloud.com/zamad-baig/aap-baithay-hain-zamad-baig)
3671
3672[Jaffer Zaidi](https://soundcloud.com/kaavish/piya-dekho-na)
3673
3674[Faraz Khosa](https://soundcloud.com/faraz-khosa/jaan-le-le)
3675
3676
3677Aur bhi kafi hain waise, lekin abhi itne hi kafi hain.. 27 3 2017 pakistan 4
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3679*zara num ho to yeh mitti bari zarkhez hai saqi*
3680
3681that cover of aye rah-e-haq ke shaheedo was absolutely beautiful, loved everything you posted by ali saffudin.  27 3 2017 pakistan 5
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3683[one of the best songs from 2015.](https://soundcloud.com/alimusarat/mohammad-ali-x-block-2-l0nda-party) lol 23 3 2017 pakistan 2
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3685>oppressed by the society ***in the past***.
3686
3687pack it up folks, casteism is over!!!
3688
3689this guy solved it. 23 3 2017 pakistan 1
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3691umm no, they are best. 
3692
3693[this type of flexibly formatted memes are actually getting lots of interests from investors, i suggest you buy while it's low.](https://youtu.be/Uowqq9ihl9s) 
3694
3695i sold a lot of my aunty bharwi stocks before that meme hit it's peak and ended up making a good chunk of money. 
3696 22 3 2017 pakistan 9
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3698actually sheedi people say its derived from the word syed. it's a source of pride for them. 
3699
3700[you can learn a bit more about it here.](https://youtu.be/UujrrVeZp2U?t=3m30s)  22 3 2017 pakistan 3
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3702As a former user I can honestly say that I did see a slight increase in size, it really does work folks! 21 3 2017 pakistan 4
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3704The simple answer to this is that hating Pakistan is a big part of Indian politics, whereas being anti-India doesn't get you any votes in Pakistan. 
3705
3706Hindus in India aren't skeptical of Indian Muslim loyalties because of religious reasons but because the Indian political climate is polarized to the point of either you are with us or against us. And unfortunately Muslims form the natural 'other' in the narrative of Indian nationalism that relies heavily on tribalism. 
3707
3708A very restrictive national media is also partly the cause of this phenomenon. In Pakistan it would be very difficult for Muslims to be critical of Hindus for their reverence of India as a large number of them do it as well considering they consume their media and have a chance to hear the Indian perspective through their own words
3709
3710Meanwhile through suppressing Pakistan from telling its side of the story through banning media from across the border and co-opting a very western centric approach to almost orientalising Pakistan as this savage irrational enemy India has made its public think that any affinity to such a state is treason. 
3711
3712A funny example of this is a NDTV host running this very cliche montage of describing Pakistan as this very oppressive and conservative society and the you have Deepak Perwani just in the next shot asking the host like 'what the fuck are you talking about??' [it happens at around 4:40](https://youtu.be/Ik7oIZe24FY?t=4m40s) 17 3 2017 pakistan 10
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3714lol nah, it's written in urdu so it doesn't even read left to right.
3715
3716It says Tayyabah, which is a female name.  16 3 2017 streetwear 11
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3718>I'm just calling this out as a political post disguised as a fashion post, even if that's not what you intended it turn into.
3719
3720you're an idiot, i mean that sincerely.  
3721
3722 16 3 2017 pakistan 0
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3724"we must stop this dilution of pure islamic culture with western degeneracy" - writes abdullah from houston, tx 16 3 2017 pakistan 8
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3726no im equating you characterizing hip fashion trends as 'whitewashed' as being backwards. implying that ingenuity is not a trait that pakistani's possess and can only be attributed to westernization. 
3727
3728you're the one who made it political cause you are absolutely ignorant about the artistic aspect of it. 
3729
3730the sheer cluelessness it takes to label minimalist shalwar kameez, pakols and customized kheris as "whitwashed" is awe-inspiring. lol
3731
3732the saddest part is that you probably wear jeans and a t-shirt everyday but suffer from such cognitive dissonance that you are still making the argument that you are making.  16 3 2017 pakistan 6
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3734its like arguing maths with someone who can't count but is adamant that they can teach you calculus. 
3735
3736but mostly its about, "LOOK AT ME, I'M A BETTER PERSON THAN YOU" 16 3 2017 pakistan 2
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3738again, you don't tell stories about your dead grandmother at a birthday party! 
3739
3740i posted pakistani streetwear or r/streetwear and people are complaining i didn't showcase the slums of karachi... like wtf?  16 3 2017 pakistan 2
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3742showcasing pakistani fashion to the world = appealing to non Pakistani's apparently. lol 16 3 2017 pakistan 5
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3744lol if you make a post about cool cars will you fucking put mehran's and khybers in it because most people can't afford maserati's?? 
3745
3746high-end fashion in every country is for people with disposable income, but i don't know why pakistani's wan't to just reinforce a one-dimensional image of their own country.  16 3 2017 pakistan 7
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3748dude... are you seriously gonna argue with me about this. lol
3749
3750[The guy with the jacket over his head is Hasnain Lehri 
3751](https://www.instagram.com/p/BO2y2I6D9C3/?taken-by=hasnainlehri)
3752
3753[The guy with the fish bowl is Wahab Chaudry](https://www.instagram.com/p/9vJ0V2AdQz/?tagged=wahabchaudhry) 16 3 2017 streetwear 2
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3755Yeah cause at least they have the excuse of ignorance. The whole point of my post was to present an aspect of Pakistan that doesn't get exposure, I expected comments like that. 
3756
3757What I didn't expect were all the sanctimonious dumbasses.   
3758
3759
3760 16 3 2017 pakistan 3
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3762lets not jump to conclusions either then. lol
3763
3764im not associating anything with progress, just saying that this idea of some stagnant 'muslim/desi' culture is bullshit. 
3765
3766fashion changes every year in every country but this idiot takes a post about innovation in pakistani fashion and makes it about 'whitewashing to please the garay log' to present cultural evolution as a negative. 
3767
3768should pakistan always be stuck in the 60's or are we allowed to experiment new things? hate people that are so scared of change  16 3 2017 pakistan 2
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3770lol those are two different people. 16 3 2017 streetwear 1
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3772i'm assuming you meant 26? thats aisha linnea 
3773
3774shes not really a model. she makes music videos and indie films.
3775
3776[she did this thing with elliphant and skrillex](https://youtu.be/Q26b4AK9Hhk)  16 3 2017 streetwear 5
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3778bc america mein betha daan de raha hai. 
3779
3780just cause you're still stuck in the same decade that your parents left pakistan in, doesn't mean the rest of the country still has to be as backwards as you.   16 3 2017 pakistan 4
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3782Nah brudder, streetwear mean literally galion mein pehne wale kapre!
3783
3784Fuck the fact that people actually into streetwear loved something, let me tell you why this kurta my mami got me is wayy better!! 
3785
3786*Pata nahi kahan kahan se uth ke aa jate hain* 16 3 2017 pakistan 5
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3788[i answered that here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/streetwear/comments/5zkh5l/inspo_streetwear_in_pakistan/dezf407/)
3789
3790most people buy fabric and have these custom made, it's very easy to do and is very common. off course you can buy them ready-made as well. 16 3 2017 streetwear 5
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3792Thanks everyone who appreciated my post! lol
3793
3794Although it's sad that it's mostly Pakistani's that are making the stupidest comments, the majority of the non-pakistani public loved the clothing. Instead of promoting a cool subculture of our country some are more interested in proving their self-importance by acting like they are above it.  16 3 2017 pakistan 11
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3796you realize 'streetwear' isn't literally about what the people on the streets are wearing right?
3797
3798it's just skate/hiphop culture and haute couture fashion.  16 3 2017 pakistan 16
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3800its a good thing i didn't title the post 'what average pakistani's dress like' then!  16 3 2017 pakistan 3
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3802oh i thought you meant in terms of fashion.
3803
3804im over the politics of it. lol 16 3 2017 streetwear 5
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3806>Funny how similar India and Pakistan are, yet how different they are.
3807
3808haha what do you mean by this, expand pls.  16 3 2017 streetwear 4
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3810http://www.generation.com.pk/woman
3811
3812https://www.gulahmedshop.com/pages/women
3813
3814https://elan.pk/collections/vital
3815
3816http://www.sanasafinaz.com/index.php/pk/ready-to-wear.html
3817
3818not sure if they all ship to where you are but worth a try. 
3819
3820
3821 16 3 2017 streetwear 5
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3823actually that look is totally androgynous, no one would bat an eye if a dude was wearing the same thing. lol
3824
3825[everyone wears shit like that.](http://imgur.com/Qdjfy8Y) 15 3 2017 streetwear 38
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3827its called *shalwar kameez* which literally translates to pant-shirt. it's the most common style of clothing you will see in pakistan. 
3828
3829[you can dress it down.](http://68.media.tumblr.com/d203474f3c03062f8ed942d5dbf7e313/tumblr_ogwp2jW6k61sqityho6_1280.jpg)
3830
3831[or you can dress it up.](http://68.media.tumblr.com/c0ce87fe62bb6c715b09724497d4caa6/tumblr_og8peevyqI1sqityho7_1280.jpg) 15 3 2017 streetwear 22
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3833for cultural purposes off course. 15 3 2017 streetwear 109
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3835>What even is #14? A double breasted cardigan over some kind of a shorty robe or extra long dress shirt with tight fitting pants? If anyone can explain what the actual pieces of clothing are in that picture, that would be great.
3836
3837LOL, that is rather modern take on our national dress known as shalwar kameez with a waist coat on top. [This is a more traditional take on it](http://imgur.com/5SgoDiQ).
3838
3839[Versace tried doing something similar last summer.](http://www.thefashionisto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/versace-spring-summer-2016-milan-fashion-week-02.jpg)
3840
3841> 8 is an interesting look, but I'd feel absolutely absurd wearing what is effectively a giant scarf. Might be fun for the memes though.
3842
3843that is indeed a ridiculously large scarf but shawls are huge in Pakistan, especially for men. [Not uncommon to see men carrying around these in the winter.](http://modelsfashionpk.com/mfp-images/mfp-gallery-images/Hasnain-Lehri-Actor-Model-206-1065.jpg)
3844
3845> 25 is slick, outside of a vaguely fascist association to cops and secret police from the aviators and beret. What are those designs on his cuffs? Are those pinned on or sewn into the fabric?
3846
3847That's Ali Xeeshan, he's known as a rather avant-garde designer in Pakistan so I'm not gonna try to explain what he's wearing.lol Probably just something he threw together for himself. [His actual work is not streetwear at all](http://imgur.com/Hvl0wGA).
3848 15 3 2017 streetwear 50
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3850Haha not everyone is a model in that album. 
3851
3852Actually Pakistan is kind of known for having really beautiful women, at least in South Asia.  
3853 15 3 2017 streetwear 78
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3855They are called Peshawari Chappals or Kheri's, they are the traditional footwear of the Pakhtoon people of Pakistan but pretty much everyone wears them now. Same thing with the Pakol hats and the Ajrak patterns, it's the American equivalent of wearing retro merch. 
3856
3857[You can cop a pair here.](https://themarkhor.com/products/quetta-style-chappal?variant=2778248580)  15 3 2017 streetwear 7
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3859Iman Madani and Meera Ansari, they are models. 
3860
3861[Here's the entire photoset for that collection.](http://www.muzisufi.com/#/cynosure/)  15 3 2017 streetwear 71
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3863/r/ExplorePakistan < for more landscapes.
3864
3865I'f you're into adventure, Pakistan is a fun place to be. We have some of the highest mountains in the world and the best roads to reach those mountains. lol
3866
3867[Theres a bunch of people that love biking across the country.](https://youtu.be/aWbMc2OU4h8)  15 3 2017 streetwear 39
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3869Aisha Linnea, she's a director. 
3870
3871[Check out her work!](https://youtu.be/8njG-sP-fZY) 15 3 2017 streetwear 5
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3873>As a Pakistani, a lot of these are trash
3874
3875cool perspective bro
3876
3877>the ones that are decent are white people definitely not in Pakistan.
3878
3879not a single white person in the entire album and every picture was take in pakistan.
3880 15 3 2017 streetwear 35
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3882the average american isn't really into streetwear either. 
3883
3884he's definitely wrong cause there aren't really any *'western'* parts of pakistan. off course only rich ppl will be into shit like fashion irregardless of which country you are talking about, that should be implied on a sub like this. 15 3 2017 streetwear 82
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3886literally included people from sindh, punjab, kpk, balochistan, and gilgit-baltistan.
3887
3888thats pretty much the whole fucking country. lol   15 3 2017 streetwear 96
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3890we love colour and patterns, [this is what an average cargo truck looks like in pakistan](https://donthurrythejourney.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/img_7202.jpg?w=1272).  15 3 2017 streetwear 381
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3892tbf in Pakistan fucking a man isn't considered gay either. lol
3893
3894 14 3 2017 pakistan 14
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3896[Here's the Patari link.](http://patari.pk/home/song/Najam-Sheraz-Aao-Wahan-Chalain) This should work.
3897
3898
3899> Is there a full version of this remix?
3900
3901no, just the part you hear in the ad. 12 3 2017 pakistan 2
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3903so in Sahiwal, where i'm from, there were these string of stabbings that happened where some guy would slash women after dark. all the aunties in my neighborhood were shit scared and stopped going out for their evening walks and shit.
3904
3905so finally they caught the guy and one of my cousins asked one of the police officers like what was up with him and it turns out he was just some poor guy who used to make money by giving people rides across the river on his boat but he lost a lot of business after they built a bridge. so he went to some peer and the peer told him that he needed a young girls blood and some other shit to revive his luck.  12 3 2017 pakistan 3
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3907It's a remix of Najam Sheraz's *[Aao Wahan Chalain](https://youtu.be/NNMcnGaqP5k)*  12 3 2017 pakistan 3
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3909I got to see Sachal perform live at the Lincoln Center and even went to the premiere of Sharmeen Obaid's Song of Lahore but now I can't listen to any of their stuff cause it makes me miss that time in my life. lol
3910
3911#sadbois 
3912
3913so much music gets ruined this way.. :/
3914 10 3 2017 pakistan 3
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3916[This lady ranger is more photogenic.](http://imgur.com/PBVQTXF) 10 3 2017 pakistan 24
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3918> Azaadi never looked so good.
3919
3920have you seen pakistani women? :P 10 3 2017 pakistan 9
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3922what can you possibly deduce from this trailer? lol 9 3 2017 pakistan 1
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3924*"If anyone takes advantage of Pak-India conflict and tries to harm Hindus, then JuD will stand with the Hindus"* - Hafiz Saeed
3925
3926I wish I was making this up. lol 9 3 2017 pakistan 15
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3928"Mein Bobby to nahi hoon!" 8 3 2017 pakistan 2
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3930[This is pretty much this sub's theme song.](https://streamable.com/efsfp) 8 3 2017 pakistan 9
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3932do you pass up any opportunity to be self-loathing bootlicker? 6 3 2017 pakistan 1
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3934I used to watch a lot of *[Ainak Wala Jinn](https://youtu.be/6hjxE67dOxM)* growing up. 6 3 2017 pakistan 11
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3936he has the mental toughness of a squirrel  5 3 2017 Cricket 3
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3938WOW Shehzad you fucking muppet!!! 5 3 2017 Cricket 5
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3940Smh, Quetta going nowhere...   5 3 2017 Cricket 3
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3942Soo much depends on Shehzad tonight. 5 3 2017 Cricket 3
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3944they did shorten the boundaries, they are pulled in so much.  5 3 2017 Cricket 4
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3946[Peshawar fans trying to figure out what's happening to their team right now.](https://scontent.fagc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16387273_1294953710583915_7818408202945796427_n.jpg?oh=6bb6af42932ffd88c0c8294a50344b96&oe=5972450F) 5 3 2017 Cricket 3
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3948[He's at the game.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6KD6wFWcAEDT-j.jpg) lol 5 3 2017 Cricket 6
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3950These girls in the crowd are killing me ?? 5 3 2017 Cricket 21
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3952Hassan Khan trying to finish this game before his bedtime! 
3953
3954**#KAIKAI** 5 3 2017 Cricket 8
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3956***K a i - K a i - Q u e t t a !*** 5 3 2017 Cricket 3
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3958I'm getting full HD coverage. 5 3 2017 Cricket 1
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3960Safi should have caught that, ffs man!!! 5 3 2017 Cricket 2
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3962Goddamit Quetta get your shit together. 5 3 2017 Cricket 2
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3964["Lala please take my hand and play"](http://imgur.com/bbFPM4u) 
3965
3966???? 5 3 2017 Cricket 7
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3968[Boko Haram Captives All Smiles After Being Liberated By Nigerian Troops](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6KTQOjXEAAp63a.jpg)  5 3 2017 Cricket 15
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3970[Today will be a gold mine for PakPositive^^\[TM\] meme's](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6KR7-XWYAIerFz.jpg)  5 3 2017 Cricket 19
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3972Dean Jones  5 3 2017 Cricket 2
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3974Fuck those dark green custom PSL sherwanis look dope af!  5 3 2017 Cricket 8
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3976Brohail about to add some more drama to this game with his massive slogs. 3 3 2017 Cricket 6
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3978it was fun while it lasted but karachi should really lose now. 
3979
3980dont wanna see this team in the finals! 3 3 2017 Cricket 2
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3982***K A I - K A I - Q U E T T A - B I T C H E S ! ! ! ! !*** 28 2 2017 Cricket 5
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3984[LOL @ #PathanKeHaath](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5xJsRyWQAQdpcR.jpg) 28 2 2017 Cricket 5
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3986Damn, great fight back from Lala! 28 2 2017 Cricket 3
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3988How is no one putting Hafeez's full tosses away?!?! 28 2 2017 Cricket 5
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3990LOL Selfies live reaction to KP's wicket was hilarious! 
3991
3992"Ohhh look another one!!! ....*hain out*?" :/  28 2 2017 Cricket 3
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3994[look how nice no outline looks.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThanksObama/) 28 2 2017 pakistan 1
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3996This whole header configuration is just absolutely gorgeous.
3997
3998I suggest the mods should keep this set-up for a longer period of time. 
3999
4000The only tinkering I would do is increase the size of the word "Pakistan" in the header and remove the black outline around it, it would make it more prominent and also much sleeker. 28 2 2017 pakistan 2
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