869FWtBP

1Ryan Bibbs
2No they are not pro-clinton.
3Would you be offended if I went to Ben's tonight instead of set-free? I am trying to decide where to go.
4Steven Schumacher
510/13, 5:18pm
6Steven Schumacher
7You should decide where you want to fellowship.
8Ryan Bibbs
910/13, 5:19pm
10Ryan Bibbs
11Well I'll always be a regular at our Wednesday night group.
12Steven Schumacher
1310/13, 5:20pm
14Steven Schumacher
15You shouldn't if you are not a member in good standing at three rivers.
16Ryan Bibbs
1710/13, 5:33pm
18Ryan Bibbs
19I am a member in good standing.
20Steven Schumacher
2110/13, 5:35pm
22Steven Schumacher
23When was the last time you were in church. If you can get to Bobs and Bens why can't you get to church. And you know your parents would drop you off.
24Ryan Bibbs
2510/13, 6:12pm
26Ryan Bibbs
27Actually no they wouldn't because they go to church on Sunday mornings now.plus my step dad doesn't like my mom giving me rides and usually discourages it when he's home. I would have been in church last Sunday if Jay had picked me up and I've been the past two Wednesday Thursdays and Tuesdays
28Steven Schumacher
2910/13, 6:15pm
30Steven Schumacher
31There is no excuse for not being in church for months. You go to Bob's to avoid accountability. There is no reason why you will not go to the retreat either.
32Ryan Bibbs
3310/13, 6:22pm
34Ryan Bibbs
35I've been there six times in the past two weeks and I would have been there Sunday if Jay had shown up.
36Steven Schumacher
3710/13, 6:23pm
38Steven Schumacher
39I give up again. I am enabling you by making you think that you are a member in good standing even though you do not attend worship services. There has been people attending church for months and you have never even seen them.
40Ryan Bibbs
4110/13, 6:27pm
42Ryan Bibbs
43I wanted to go Sunday I was dressed and ready to walk out the door. Jay didn't show up and I didn't have any other way of getting their you were at the commons Nick was out of town etc
44Steven Schumacher
4510/13, 6:28pm
46Steven Schumacher
47Are y
48Are you telling me that in 4 months you have not been able to get to church. Why are you not coming to the retreat?
49Steven Schumacher
5010/13, 6:34pm
51Steven Schumacher
52You need to decide whether you want to be an accountable church member or not.
53Why does your step-dad discourage your mother from giving you rides. Is it because he thinks you ought to be working and more self-sufficient?
54October 14
55Ryan Bibbs
5610/14, 8:03am
57Ryan Bibbs
581. I am an accountable member. Ben even came to see me during the time I was out sick and I had planned on returning to regular attendance this past Sunday.   2. My step-dad didn't like my mom giving me rides four-years ago and he didn't like her giving my younger sister rides either. It has nothing to do with self-sufficeny.
59Steven Schumacher
6010/14, 8:04am
61Steven Schumacher
62The Retreat?
63Ryan Bibbs
6410/14, 8:05am
65Ryan Bibbs
66I'll decide by tonight whether or not I am going.
67Steven Schumacher
6810/14, 8:22am
69Steven Schumacher
70That's was months ago when you saw Ben. Does Ben know that you regularly are able to make it to Bobs but haven't been to church in months?
71Ryan Bibbs
7210/14, 8:23am
73Ryan Bibbs
74I started going to Bob's three weeks ago. I would have gone to church this past Sunday. and I fully intend on being there this sunday
75Steven Schumacher
7610/14, 8:26am
77Steven Schumacher
78Today is the last day to register for the Retreat.  Are you going to register?
79Ryan Bibbs
8010/14, 8:27am
81Ryan Bibbs
82I already said I'll decide by tonight. I don't think it cuts off til
83Ryan Bibbs
84I already said I'll decide by tonight. I don't think it cuts off til 12am.
85Steven Schumacher
8610/14, 8:29am
87Steven Schumacher
88Why do you have to wait till tonight? And when are you going to get a job?
89Ryan Bibbs
9010/14, 8:30am
91Ryan Bibbs
92Because I am undecided on whether or not I want to/feel up to going.
93Steven Schumacher
9410/14, 8:32am
95Steven Schumacher
96And when are you going to get a driver's license.  These are the things that would be dealt with if you were an accountable church member. What are you 80 years old, "feel up to going."
97Ryan Bibbs
9810/14, 8:32am
99Ryan Bibbs
100I don't have a drivers license because no one has taught me how to drive. My step-brother who is also 22 doesn't have one yet either because my step-dad hasn't taken the time to teach him.
101Steven Schumacher
10210/14, 8:38am
103Steven Schumacher
104So you will go your whole life without driving because supposedly your step dad won't teach you.  Why won't you get a job. These things need to be dealt with and would be dealt with if you had accountability. I will never believe that you spend all that time in the house alone and are not in slavery to porn.
105Ryan Bibbs
10610/14, 8:42am
107Ryan Bibbs
108There are plenty of people in the City of Pittsburgh who are responisible adults who don't drive.   I don't spend all of my time in the house. I've been to church 6 times in the past two weeks ( that's more than 99% of the members at 3RG)  I've been to Bob's twice and Ben's once. and out to evangelize once. That's over 21 hours of church/bible study related activity.
109Steven Schumacher
11010/14, 8:52am
111Steven Schumacher
112You have no accountability and you do these things only to ease your conscience. You need to make a decision that you are going to be accountable to 3 Rivers and take direction off  of them, possibly through me. Will you come under my spiritual guidance?
113Ryan Bibbs
11410/14, 8:53am
115Ryan Bibbs
116I have no Idea what that even means.   as far as accountability to 3rg I am not sure how I can be any more accountable than I already am aside from attending on Sunday Mornings which I intend to resume doing.
117Steven Schumacher
11810/14, 8:54am
119Steven Schumacher
120You need to be counseled.
121Ryan Bibbs
12210/14, 8:57am
123Ryan Bibbs
124I've always been willing to listen to counsel and advice but everyone's their own man and has to make their own decisions.
125Steven Schumacher
12610/14, 8:59am
127Steven Schumacher
128Will you take direction off of me?
129Ryan Bibbs
13010/14, 8:59am
131Ryan Bibbs
132I am willing to listen to whatever you have to say. But I can't promise to do whatever you tell me to do.
133Steven Schumacher
13410/14, 9:00am
135Steven Schumacher
136Well then you are not willing. Are you willing to listen to anyone at church?
137Ryan Bibbs
13810/14, 9:01am
139Ryan Bibbs
140I'll listen. But your not telling me to listen your telling me to do whatever they or you tell me to do.
141Steven Schumacher
14210/14, 9:03am
143Steven Schumacher
144Right.
145Ryan Bibbs
14610/14, 9:05am
147Ryan Bibbs
148Marin Luther had a saying God a lone is Lord of the Conscience. In other words, no one can tell you what to do except God. An elder in the church has no authority except that which he can derive from the Scriptures. I am not willing to let any man tell me how to run my spiritual life except the man Christ Jesus.
149Steven Schumacher
15010/14, 9:05am
151Steven Schumacher
152Case closed. Go to Bob's.  No accountability.
153Ryan Bibbs
15410/14, 9:06am
155Ryan Bibbs
156I am not sure how many times I have to repeat this. I've been to church six times in the two weeks. How many members ar 3RG can say that?
157Steven Schumacher
15810/14, 9:07am
159Steven Schumacher
160You don't even say anything. That's not accountability.
161Ryan Bibbs
16210/14, 9:08am
163Ryan Bibbs
164I don't say anything in bible studies? I hope that's not what your saying.
165Steven Schumacher
16610/14, 9:09am
167Steven Schumacher
168You don't say anything in church.
169Ryan Bibbs
17010/14, 9:10am
171Ryan Bibbs
172On Sundays? Or during the bible studies?
173Steven Schumacher
17410/14, 9:12am
175Steven Schumacher
176Anytime.
177Ryan Bibbs
17810/14, 9:13am
179Ryan Bibbs
180Let's see last Thursday I gave a lengthy illustration on the doctrine of imputation.... Last Wednesday I made some comments on John 15.  I don't comment much but I do comment and I'd say I comment just as much as either Jay or Dan.
181Steven Schumacher
18210/14, 9:16am
183Steven Schumacher
184If you are not willing to come under individual discipleship then there is no sense for you to continue to come to Wednesday or Thursday.  Both Dan and Jay are accountable. They receive spiritual guidance. You don't ask for or receive guidance.
185Ryan Bibbs
18610/14, 9:18am
187Ryan Bibbs
188And look how much growth the guidance they've received has gotten them.
189Steven Schumacher
19010/14, 9:18am
191Steven Schumacher
192If you're sick, what is your diagnosis?
193Ryan Bibbs
19410/14, 9:19am
195Ryan Bibbs
196I don't have a diagnoses. And I've been to church six times in the past two weeks and I would have been there sunday so clearly I've gotten better.
197Steven Schumacher
19810/14, 9:21am
199Steven Schumacher
200If you are not willing to go to the Retreat then you are not willing to submit to my spiritual guidance or anyone else's.  If I allow you to keep coming I am enabling you and I will not do that any longer.
201Ryan Bibbs
20210/14, 9:31am
203Ryan Bibbs
204The Retreat is an extra curricular activity. You know I won't be the only man at 3RG who doesn't go  if I don't go. You didn't go to the last three were you sinning?
205Steven Schumacher
20610/14, 9:33am
207Steven Schumacher
208That's not the point. If you are not willing to take direction off me there is no sense in you coming Wednesday or Thursday.
209Ryan Bibbs
21010/14, 9:35am
211Ryan Bibbs
212Alright. I'll start going to The commons with Bob on Tuesday and to Ben's house on Wednesday if that's what you want.
213Steven Schumacher
21410/14, 9:49am
215Steven Schumacher
216No, I want you to be accountable to a church. I want you to get a job, get a license,  take direction and listen to what i, or someone else in spiritual authority. All those things you do are a substitute for real accountability.  Same thing we talked about months ago.
217Ryan Bibbs
21810/14, 10:01am
219Ryan Bibbs
220I am not going to blindly listen to any man.  It's not a sin to not have a license. The only people with any biblical claim to spiritual authority over my life are the elders at the church NO ONE else and even they can't command me to do things the Bible doesn't command me to do.
221Steven Schumacher
22210/14, 10:03am
223Steven Schumacher
224Okay, then go your own way.
225Ryan Bibbs
22610/14, 10:16am
227Ryan Bibbs
228If going my own way means only listening to the Bible then that's exactly what I'll do.
229Steven Schumacher
23010/14, 10:20am
231Steven Schumacher
232Okay, if you should change your mind let me know. You sound strangely like Lou, and Mike and Brian. So now you can spend your life looking at pornography and masturbating and tell yourself all is well because you're going to Bob's and going to Pitt etc.
233Ryan Bibbs
23410/14, 10:21am
235Ryan Bibbs
236The vulgar slander needs to stop. That sounds a lot like Mike and Lou making up things about other people
237Steven Schumacher
23810/14, 10:22am
239Steven Schumacher
240Are you looking at porn?
241Ryan Bibbs
24210/14, 10:22am
243Ryan Bibbs
244No. Have I in times past yes? Was It Jay's right to gossip by sharing personal information? Perhaps you ought to take him to task for the sin of gossip. Proverbs 11:13
245Steven Schumacher
24610/14, 10:39am
247Steven Schumacher
248You are just not willing to get help. As I said before, if you ever become willing.
249Ryan Bibbs
25010/14, 10:43am
251Ryan Bibbs
252Your really trying to push me to resign my membership in the church aren't you? I should go to a church where people don't slander each other and where they don't demand someone blindly follow them.
253Steven Schumacher
25410/14, 10:47am
255Steven Schumacher
256This is between me and you. Slander is when you tell someone else something that is not true. I am not forcing you to do anything. I am lovingly rebuking you but you don't see it.
257Ryan Bibbs
25810/14, 10:47am
259Ryan Bibbs
260It is. You say I am not going to church when as I've pointed out I am...  I am going more than 99% of 3RG members.   SO getting on my case for not going to church is irrational slnader.
261Steven Schumacher
26210/14, 10:48am
263Steven Schumacher
264You haven't been to church in 4 months.
265Ryan Bibbs
26610/14, 11:00am
267Ryan Bibbs
268Really? I was there On Tuesday Night, I was there on Wedesday Night, Thursday Night for two weeks and Saturday Night.. and I WOULD HAVE BEEN There on Sunday if I had had a RIDE....  I am not sure how many times I need to repeat that
269Steven Schumacher
27010/14, 11:02am
271Steven Schumacher
272You don't go to the worship service. That's real church. You know what I mean. If you want help let me know.
273Ryan Bibbs
27410/14, 11:04am
275Ryan Bibbs
276I WANTED TO GO ON SUNDAY. I WAS PREPARED TO GO ready to walk out the door 9:15am On Sunday when Jay had said he would PICK ME UP.  I Would have been there this Sunday for SS and the Service if he had shown up....  Thats a FACT NOW STOP LYING ABOUT ME.
277Steven Schumacher
27810/14, 11:06am
279Steven Schumacher
280I just said if you want help off me let me know.
281Ryan Bibbs
28210/14, 11:06am
283Ryan Bibbs
284I will not return to any of our meetings aside from the service if I can find a way to get there outside of our group...  Until you repent of the slander and lies.
285Steven Schumacher
28610/14, 11:08am
287Steven Schumacher
288What is my slander and lie?
289Steven Schumacher
29010/14, 11:14am
291Steven Schumacher
292I'm waiting.
293Ryan Bibbs
29410/14, 11:16am
295Ryan Bibbs
2961. " You haven't been to church in 4 months"  That's just not true.  I'e only been out since the end of duly beginning of August so the accusation is inflated by over 1 1/2 months.  2. It fails to take into account that I was planning and trying to go on Sunday but was prevented from going by circumstances beyond my control.
297Steven Schumacher
29810/14, 11:21am
299Steven Schumacher
300I'll pray for you. I think I can help you but you are not willing.
301Ryan Bibbs
30210/14, 11:27am
303Ryan Bibbs
304I am not willing to unconditionally do whatever you tell me And you know there is not a single VERSE in the Bible that tells me to do that. This is your Pentecostal Theology talking not the Bible
305Steven Schumacher
30610/14, 11:27am
307Steven Schumacher
308K.
309Steven Schumacher
31010/14, 11:53am
311Steven Schumacher
312So you are saying that being under spiritual authority means unconditionally doing whatever one who is in spiritual authority says to do. So everybody at 3 Rivers should do everything the elders say to do no matter what they say?
313Ryan Bibbs
31410/14, 1:18pm
315Ryan Bibbs
316No. But that's what you are asking me to do.
317Steven Schumacher
31810/14, 1:20pm
319Steven Schumacher
320I am not.
321And I wouldn't do it unless you wanted me to.
322Ryan Bibbs
32310/14, 1:21pm
324Ryan Bibbs
325Well then. What's the difference between listening and taking to consideration the advice a person gives and spiritual authority?
326Steven Schumacher
32710/14, 1:23pm
328Steven Schumacher
329I guess your right.  It wouldn't work anyhow because you are unwilling.  Not just me, anybody.
330Ryan Bibbs
33110/14, 1:23pm
332Ryan Bibbs
333Well If all spiritual authority means is listening too counsel and advice. I am already doing that with multiple people and have always been.
334Steven Schumacher
33510/14, 1:43pm
336Steven Schumacher
337When was the last time someone gave you spiritual advice. If you came under my spiritual authority  the first thing I would tell you to do is go to the Retreat, look for a job till you find one, go to SS and church every week, go to a small group, get a driver's license,  and get Covenant Eyes for every device you have
338Steven Schumacher
33910/14, 1:50pm
340Steven Schumacher
341You come against me because I believe in the works of the Holy Spirit and you listen to the devil when he tells you not to step on cracks. That this gives you some kind of control. If that's not demonic what is?