· 8 years ago · Apr 08, 2018, 03:22 AM
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8ill-timed tabloid peice makes Lindbergh worry he has to give more money
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12reporter Laura Vitra wrote about communicating via ads in the paper regarding the case
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14 "Now, if the object of these personals was to slip word to the kidnapers without arousing the attentions of the police, the secret service, or the press, they were couched in language that was a hopeless giveaway." The book also makes clear the media were stamped as to the identity of Jafsie. Mss. Vitra claims that the press speculated that Jafsie was possible Rev. Dobson-Peacock.
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17The Great Lindbergh Hullabaloo: An Unorthodox Account
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25issued pamphlet with serial numbers of random money to banks.
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27 ...While no mention was made of the Lindbergh case in the pamphlet, it was not difficult for the press to make the connection. Based on a tip from a bank teller in New Jersey, the Newark News published an article on April 8 announcing that the Lindberghs had paid a ransom and the child had not been returned. Wthin a few hours, the story was in every major newspaper in the country.
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39 ...I desire to state that my remarks about the newspapers are true and can be verified, this in reference to my story about Mr. Haskell and Mr. Wilcox of the Herald Tribune, Mr. Lee of the News and Mr. Turin and Mr. Fox, offering me money of my knowledge of the Lindbergh case or pictures of the baby.
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48 ...Not everyone was convinced of the cotro's sincerity. Some felt it too convenient that the kidnapper responded so quickly to Condon's letter in a small local newspaper. Perhaps he was a conspirator.
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58 ...He also denied reading the Bronx Home News, but then said, "Sometimes the paper lays on the steps of the house there. Sometimes I take it up but I never read it."
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69 ...Brecinridge testified that he was the one actually responsible for posting the various newspaper advertisements used to communicate with the kidnapper.
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79 ...As arranged, the Associated Press reporter sent a coded message intending to signal the return of the jury. Unfortunately, he inadvertently sent the wrong code and mistakenly informed the world that Haumptmann had been found guilty, but given a reccomendation of mercy. As a result of this error, some newspapers were issued reporting Hauptmann's life sentence.
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89 ..I have concluded that the "table board confession," as it has come to be known, is both a hoax and a significant peice of evidence. It is not a true confession from one of the kidnapeprs and it is not the actual template used y Hauptmann. I reach this conclusion for three reasons. First, there is no evidence showing that this table existedin 1932, the year of the kidnapping and creation of the letters. There are no surviving police reports, though numerous newspaper articles exist. Unfortunately, these news accounts have such glaring factual erorrs that it is difficult to rely upon their content.
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99 ...The discovery of Anne's footprints was the basis of the newspaper reports' claims that the baby was kidnapped by two people, a man and a woman.
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109 ...Many of the books on this case state that the floor plans of the house were printed in newspapers and magazines. Only one article reproduced floor plans: "Two Houses in the International Style," House Beautiful, Oct 1931, 307-9, 356. However, this article contains design plans of a hypothetical house for Lindbergh. It is not itentical to the Sourland home and would have been of no use to the kidnapper.
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143 ...The concerned father issued a written statement to the press that was read by COlonel Breckinridge. It read:
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145 Mr. Lindbergh and I have made our hom in New Jersy. It is naturally our wish to continue to live ther enear our friend and interests. Obviously, however, it is impossible for us to subject the life of our second son to the publicity which we feel was in large measure responsible for the death of our first.
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147 We fell that our children have a right to grow up normally with other children. Continued publicity will make this impossible. I am appealing to the rpess to permit our chidlren to lead the lives of normal Americans.
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155 Lindbergh might as well have spat in the wind. The press continued to cover his every move without hesitation or remorse. To make matters worse, almost from the moment Jon was born, letters started pouring in from various lunatics threatening to kidnap the child.
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157 One letter was particularly disturbing. It demanded that $50,000 be left in a rotten stump "near a big white pine tree" in Roanoke, Virginia, or Jon would be kidnapped and killed. There was also a cruel reference to the kidnapping of Charles Jr., claiming that the child died because the Lindberghs called the police. A few other letters from the same crackpot arrived a few days later.
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176lardner says this guy, Lindbergh's friend since 1930 (about when kidnapper claims he started planning the murder), influenced his Nazi views
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179 ...In 1902, he was claimed to have witnessed the miraculous cure of Marie Bailly at Lourdes, made famous in part because she named Carrel as a witness of her cure.[citation needed] After the notoriety surrounding the event, Carrel could not obtain a hospital appointment because of the pervasive anticlericalism in the French university system at the time.
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185 ...In the 1930s, Carrel and Charles Lindbergh became close friends not only because of the years they worked together but also because they shared personal, political, and social views. Lindbergh initially sought out Carrel to see if his sister-in-law's heart, damaged by rheumatic fever, could be repaired. When Lindbergh saw the crudeness of Carrel's machinery, he offered to build new equipment for the scientist. Eventually they built the first perfusion pump, an invention instrumental to the development of organ transplantation and open heart surgery. Lindbergh considered Carrel his closest friend, and said he would preserve and promote Carrel's ideals after his death.[8]
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196 ...Carrel was also interested in the phenomenon of senescence, or aging. He claimed that all cells continued to grow indefinitely, and this became a dominant view in the early 20th century.[17] Carrel started an experiment on January 17, 1912, where he placed tissue cultured from an embryonic chicken heart in a stoppered Pyrex flask of his own design.[18] He maintained the living culture for over 20 years with regular supplies of nutrient. This was longer than a chicken's normal lifespan. The experiment, which was conducted at the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, attracted considerable popular and scientific attention.[19]
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198 Carrel's experiment by some was never successfully replicated, and in the 1960s Leonard Hayflick and Paul Moorhead proposed that differentiated cells can undergo only a limited number of divisions before dying. This is known as the Hayflick limit, and is now a pillar of biology.[17]
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200 L. Hayflick has shown that a cell has a limited number of divisions, equal to the so called "Hayflick’s Limit." However, L. Franks and others (Loo et al. 1987; Nooden and Tompson 1995; Frolkis 1988a), have shown that the number of cell divisions can be considerably greater than that stipulated by the "Hayflick Limit", having practically no limit at all.
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212 ...In 1902 Alexis Carrel went from being a skeptic of the visions and miracles reported at Lourdes to being a believer in spiritual cures after experiencing a healing of Marie Bailly that he could not explain.[27] The Catholic journal Le nouvelliste reported that she named him as the prime witness of her cure. Alexis Carrel refused to discount a supernatural explanation and steadfastly reiterated his beliefs, even writing a book describing his experience,[28] though it was not published until four years after his death. This was a detriment to his career and reputation among his fellow doctors, and feeling he had no future in academic medicine in France, he emigrated to Canada with the intention of farming and raising cattle. After a brief period, he accepted an appointment at the University of Chicago[12] and two years later at the Rockefeller Institute of Medical Research.
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224 We must single out the children who are endowed with high potentialities, and develop them as completely as possible. And in this manner give to the nation a non-hereditary aristocracy. Such children may be found in all classes of society, although distinguished men appear more frequently in distinguished families than in others. The descendants of the founders of American civilization may still possess the ancestral qualities. These qualities are generally hidden under the cloak of degeneration. But this degeneration is often superficial. It comes chiefly from education, idleness, lack of responsibility and moral discipline. The sons of very rich men, like those of criminals, should be removed while still infants from their natural surroundings. Thus separated from their family, they could manifest their hereditary strength. In the aristocratic families of Europe there are also individuals of great vitality. The issue of the Crusaders is by no means extinct. The laws of genetics indicate the probability that the legendary audacity and love of adventure can appear again in the lineage of the feudal lords. It is possible also that the offspring of the great criminals who had imagination, courage, and judgment, of the heroes of the French or Russian Revolutions, of the high-handed business men who live among us, might be excellent building stones for an enterprising minority. As we know, criminality is not hereditary if not united with feeble-mindedness or other mental or cerebral defects. High potentialities are rarely encountered in the sons of honest, intelligent, hard-working men who have had ill luck in their careers, who have failed in business or have muddled along all their lives in inferior positions. Or among peasants living on the same spot for centuries. However, from such people sometimes spring artists, poets, adventurers, saints. A brilliantly gifted and well-known New York family came from peasants who cultivated their farm in the south of France from the time of Charlemagne to that of Napoleon.[30]
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241influences on Lindbergh:
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264 ... England has devoted, and will continue to devote every effort to get us into the war. We know that she spent huge sums of money in this country during the last war in order to involve us. Englishmen have written books about the cleverness of its use.
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280 for eventually the laws of nature determine the success of human effort and measure the value of human inventions in that divinely complicated, mathematically unpredictable, development of life at which Science has given the name of Evolution.
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282 Aviation seems almost a gift from heaven to those Western nations who were already the leaders of their era, strengthening their leadership, their confidence, their dominance over other peoples. It is a tool specially shaped for Western hands, a scientific art which others only copy in a mediocre fashion, another barrier between the teeming millions of Asia and the Grecian inheritance of Europe -- one of those priceless possessions which permit the White race to live at all in a pressing sea of Yellow, Black, and Brown.
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323another book that touches on this with interestin tidbits (like that Lindbergh kidnapping spurred Hitler's gov to make kidnapping punishable by death, although not sure how interesting that is considering Lindbergh case got plastered on newspapers worldwide) https://books.google.com/books?id=JkXJZtI9DQoC&pg=PA127&lpg=PA127&dq=Harry+Laughlin+Lindbergh&source=bl&ots=3Bk9F3AwQT&sig=DQj6Rp13bA7phhRdGhGszWCGBZg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTnfbdoJ3aAhUwhuAKHdRfC_IQ6AEIUzAG#v=onepage&q=Harry%20Laughlin%20Lindbergh&f=false
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327 Both believed that through this work they could ultimately defeat death and ensure the individual's immortality. Being staunch eugenicists, the men also held that these medical breakthroughs should be restricted for use by the “white race.†As Carrel put it, and Lindbergh concurred, “There is no escaping the fact that men are not created equal, as democracy, invented in the 18th century — when there was no science to refute it — would have us believe.†Carrel went on to offer that the human race is pushed forward by “the elite.†He felt it unfortunate that “we don't yet understand the genesis of great men. Perhaps it would be effective to kill off the worst [of us] and keep the best, as we do in the breeding of dogs.â€
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331 In A Question of Character, Cathy Boeckmann establishes a strong link between racial questions and the development of literary traditions at the end of the 19th century in America. This period saw the rise of "scientific racism," which claimed that the races were distinguished not solely by exterior appearance but also by a set of inherited character traits. As Boeckmann explains, this emphasis on character meant that race was not only a thematic concern in the literature of the period but also a generic or formal one as well.
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333 Boeckmann explores the intersections between race and literary history by tracing the language of character through both scientific and literary writing. Nineteenth-century pseudo-sciences such as phrenology and physiognomy had a vocabulary for discussing racial character that overlapped conceptually with the conventions for portraying race in literature. Through close readings of novels by Thomas Dixon, Mark Twain, William Dean Howells, Charles Chesnutt, and James Weldon Johnson—each of which deals with a black character "passing" as white—Boeckmann shows how this emphasis on character relates to the shift from romantic and sentimental fiction to realism. Because each of these genres had very specific conventions regarding the representation of character, genres often dictated how races could be depicted.
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338apparently used in multiple places in scientific racism literature: https://archive.org/stream/RacialContours1965/ISHERWOODH.B.-Racial_Contours_1965_djvu.txt
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344 On February 17, 1924, just after Laughlin returned, Davis in his
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357 Continent and the United States as an Immigrant-Receiving Nation.†True
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389 Mountains, coastlines, great distances, ground fortifications, all those safeguards of past generations, lose their old significance as man takes to his wings. The English Channel, the snow-capped Alps, the expanses of Russia, are now looked on from a different height. The forces of Hannibal, Drake and Napoleon moved at best with the horses' gallop or the speed of wind on sail. Now, aviation brings a new concept of time and distance to the affairs of men. It demands adaptability to change, places a premium on quickness of thought and speed of action.
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391 Military strength has become more dynamic and less tangible. A new alignment of power has taken place, and there is no adequate peacetime measure for its effect on the influence of nations. There seems no way to agree on the rights it brings to some and takes from others. The rights of men within a nation are readjusted in each generation by laws of inheritance -- land changes hands as decades pass, fortunes are taxed from one generation to the next; ownership is no more permanent than life. But among nations themselves there is no similar provision to reward virility and penalize decay, no way to reapportion the world's wealth as tides of human character ebb and flow -- except by the strength of armies. In the last analysis, military strength is measurable only by its own expenditure, by the prostration of one contender while the other can still stagger on the field -- and all about the wolves of lesser stature abide their time to spring on both the warriors.
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399 We, the heirs of European culture, are on the verge of a disastrous war, a war within our own family of nations, a war which will reduce the strength and destroy the treasures of the White race, a war which may even lead to the end of our civilization. And while we stand poised for battle, Oriental guns are turning westward, Asia presses towards us on the Russian border, all foreign races stir restlessly. It is time to turn from our quarrels and to build our White ramparts again. This alliance with foreign races means nothing but death to us. It is our turn to guard our heritage from Mongol and Persian and Moor, before we become engulfed in a limitless foreign sea. Our civilization depends on a united strength among ourselves; on strength too great for foreign armies to challenge; on a Western Wall of race and arms which can hold back either a Genghis Khan or the infiltration of inferior blood; on an English fleet, a German air force, a French army, an American nation, standing together as guardians of our common heritage, sharing strength, dividing influence.
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407 Our civilization depends on peace among Western nations, and therefore on united strength, for Peace is a virgin who dare not show her face without Strength, her father, for protection. We can have peace and security only so long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood, only so long as we guard ourselves against attack by foreign armies and dilution by foreign races.
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423earlier in essay said "A great industrial nation may conquer the world in the span of a single life, but its Achilles' heel is time. Its children, what of them?"
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427Nazis thought there "wunderwaffe's" were superior too and I guess proud of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wunderwaffe
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429is he writing this for Nazis? like could say to Nazis: "hey Nazis I know your war machines are better, but doesn't starting a war in europe go against your ideas of white supremecy?" although seems like Lindbergh actually believes these ideas
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433 SAN FRANCISCO -- Charles A. Lindbergh, often branded as a Nazi sympathizer during World War II, gathered intelligence for the United States on four visits to Germany before the war, according to papers of the pre-war U.S. military attache in Berlin.
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435 The late Col. Truman Smith, who was America's military representative in Berlin between 1935 and 1939, disclosed in papers recently published by the Hoover Institution that Lindbergh provided crucial and detailed data on the Luftwaffe's planes and Hitler's aircraft manufacturing facilities.
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437 As for the highly publicized incident in which Nazi Field Marshal Hermann Goering presented Lindbergh with a medal in 1938, the papers disclose that neither Smith nor Lindbergh had any advance knowledge of Goering's plan.
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439 Robert Hessen, who edited the Smith papers, said even if they had been alerted 'Lindbergh would not have been able to refuse the medal without offending.' Smith and Lindbergh did not want to offend Goering at that time because they needed his favor 'if they wanted to see more of the German Air Force.'
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441 Another reason Lindbergh did not want to annoy Goering, Smith's papers said, was that he hoped to persuade Goering 'that German Jews who were emigrating should not be forced to leave penniless.'
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447 ...Many American politicians and commentators, such as columnist Walter Winchell, accused Lindbergh of exaggerating Germany's military power in order to frighten the Allies into believing the Luftwaffe was invincible. Because of his deep distaste for publicity of any kind, he never tried publicly to clear himself of the pro-Nazi charges during the war.
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450Lindbergh also exaggerated luftwaffe strength and told everybody about it
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453 ...Lindbergh actually made four visits to Germany. At the end of at least two of them he helped Smith write detailed reports for G-2 military intelligence in Washington. These reports described aircraft not shown to any other foreigners and factories and airfields from which all other American, French and English visitors were banned.
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455 Lindbergh was allowed to inspect in detail new and experimental German warplanes such as the Junkers 52 bomber and the Messerschmidt 109 fighter plane, and even allowed to fly some of them, Smith writes. The data supplied by Lindbergh on these aircraft and installations proved to be extremely accurate.
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457 Smith wrote that Lindbergh not only collected important data for U.S. intelligence but made it possible for the American air attache in Berlin, a trained intelligence officer, to visit numerous bases and factories that were otherwise off limits.
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460Lindbergh's intel on Nazis was apparently valuable. Did he think so too at the time? Did he think is relationship with them was valuable?
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463comes off as genuine white supremecist and genuinely wanting to avoid war in Europe, and maybe thought of using his influence and publishing these things as a way to do it, basically peaceful coexistance with Nazi Germany
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466here's a hunch: someone told Lindbergh he could be a key player in stopping war between Nazi Germany and the rest of Europe, and Lindbergh, being arrogant and knowing he's world famous, bought it. Meetings with Goring, getting a medal and not wanting to "offend them" by returning it point to this. This would be a way to channel Lindbergh wanting to be hero who stops war into making him look like a pro-German full Nazi.
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469this says the reader's digest article was part of Lindbergh's work for the "America First" committee:
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471https://books.google.com/books?id=hfaRAP0UsJ8C&pg=PA239&lpg=PA239&dq=Lothrop+Stoddard++Charles+Lindbergh&source=bl&ots=bm9hgN4LI2&sig=OY5-FSuRgmZ3Eu2wU3PD_yDuJKs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8p9iDpJ3aAhWl1IMKHY55BGMQ6AEITzAM#v=onepage&q=Lothrop%20Stoddard%20%20Charles%20Lindbergh&f=false
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473goes on to say Reader's Digest owner William Randolph Hearst met with Hiter and "used his publications to present fascist Germany to his readers in a positive light."
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478https://books.google.com/books?id=hfaRAP0UsJ8C&pg=PA239&lpg=PA239&dq=Lothrop+Stoddard++Charles+Lindbergh&source=bl&ots=bm9hgN4LI2&sig=OY5-FSuRgmZ3Eu2wU3PD_yDuJKs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8p9iDpJ3aAhWl1IMKHY55BGMQ6AEITzAM#v=onepage&q=Lothrop%20Stoddard%20%20Charles%20Lindbergh&f=false
479 ...Lindbergh's contribution reflected many of the prevailing orthodoxies among leading eugenicists on both sides of the Atlantic. His emphasis on the need to prevent the "White race" from being overwhelmed by "inferior blood," for instance, is quite consistent with the writings of Lothrop Stoddard. Edwin Black describes Stoddard's Rising Tide of Color against White Supremecy as a "eugenic gospel." First published in 1926, this volume is said to have influenced the policies of Adolf Hitler. During his tour of Germany's Eugeinc Courts in 1939, Stoddard actually met with Hitler. In words that echo the ethnocentric alarmism of Lindbergh, Stoddard asserted: "If white civilization goes down, the white race is irretrievably ruined. It will be swamped by the triumphant colored races, who will obliterate the white man by elimination or absorption ... Just as we isolate bacterial invasions, and starve out bacteria, so we can compel an infrio race to remain in its native habitat."
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482Lindbergh read Stoddard? they say similar things, but author doesn't mention Lindbergh saying he read him
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484author goes on to mention Ford's connection with agents from Tsarist Russia
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486guessing author suspects Lindbergh read Stoddard based on honest effort to find out who influenced him
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489here is quote from his book from 1921:
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491https://books.google.com/books?id=G0TiAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA303&lpg=PA303
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493predicts some cataclysm that could end "white civilization"
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495 ...Well, perhaps our change of heart may come sooner than now appears. The horrors of the war, the disappointment of the peace, the terror of Bolshevism, and the rising tide of color have knocked a good deal of the nonsense out of us, and have given multitudes a hunger for realities who were before content with a diet of phrases.
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498that Stoddard said this interesting
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500rise of Soviets was like replacing rule of the world by white sociopaths with rule of the world by sociopaths of all races
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502meanwhile same group comes up with bullshit theories to get rest of the world fighting each other based on race
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505 ...What are the things we *must* do promptly if we would avert the worst? This "irreducible minimum" runs about as follows:
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507 First and foremost, the wretched Versailles business will have to be thoroughly revised. As it stands, dragon's teath have been sown over both Eruope and Asia, and unless they be plucked up they will presently grow a crop of cataclysms which will seal the white world's doom.
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510goes on doomsaying about "gigantic race war" between Asia and Europe (didn't Soviet agents try to start that?)
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513https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothrop_Stoddard
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515Stodard harvard grad, Ph.D. in History
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518 ...Stoddard blasted the ethnic supremacism of the Germans and blamed the "Teutonic imperialists" for the outbreak of World War I.[12] He opposed what he saw as the disuniting of white European peoples through intense nationalism and infighting.[citation needed]
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520 Some of the predictions that Stoddard made in The Rising Tide of Color were accurate, though not all of them were original to him or predicated on white supremacy. They include Japan's rise as a major power; a war between Japan and the US; a second war in Europe; the overthrowing of European colonial empires in Africa and Asia; the mass migration of non-white peoples to white countries; and the rise of extremist Islamism as a rival to Western civilization because of religious radicalism. (Stoddard was anti-Islamic and would publish the book The New World of Islam in 1921.)[13][14]
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523championed "whites should stick together and not fight" narrative and predicted a bunch of geopolitical events
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526 ...The Nazi Party's chief racial theorist Alfred Rosenberg got the racial term Untermensch from the German version of Stoddard's 1922 book The Revolt Against Civilization: The Menace of the Under-man. The German title was Der Kulturumsturz: Die Drohung des Untermenschen (1925).[22]
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528 Between 1939 and 1940, Stoddard spent four months as a journalist for the North American Newspaper Alliance in Nazi Germany. He got preferential treatment by Nazi officials compared to other journalists. An example was the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda's insisting that NBC's Max Jordan and CBS's William Shirer use Stoddard to interview the captain of the Bremen.[23][24]
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531 ...After World War II, Stoddard's theories were deemed too closely aligned with those of the Nazis and so he suffered a large drop in popularity.[26] His death from cancer in 1950 went almost entirely unreported despite his previously broad readership and influence.[27]
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534this guy is really sketchy
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536one of the agentura?
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538had a lot of influence:
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540https://books.google.com/books?id=Mbl8AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT109&lpg=PT109&dq=%22Lothrop+Stoddard%22+tanaka+memorial&source=bl&ots=fItoQHK_rg&sig=gr1vu4kCRLMKzt9CNoJ4PjA_zvQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2w7W3x53aAhXr7oMKHXkdDZ4Q6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=%22Lothrop%20Stoddard%22%20tanaka%20memorial&f=false
541 Race and cultural awareness played an increasingly important part in shaping the views of future American military leaders; and it seems that this common cultural outlook and collective self-confidence contributed mightly to the effectiveness of the US Navy in subsequent decades. Between the wars, each class at the NWC recieved thirteen lectures on the 'scientific' subject of race and from 1922-37 Lothrop Stodard was the leading expert on the subject. From 1931-7, he lectured annually on 'Racial Aspirations as the Foundation of National Policy'. In 1935, one third of the books reviewed at the NWC were about Japan. One sixth were about the control of raw materials and the remainder were about race and Social-Darwinism.
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544Lindbergh was in touch with some U.S. military leaders, though not sure if specifically NWC
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550read this:
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553https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2621292/
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555 ...After World War II, Lindbergh remained unapologetic for his war-time stance. Friedman points out that Lindbergh's Wartime Journals (1970) “contained passages that seemed indifferent to the regimented brutality of Hitler's Nazi Germany, and some passages that seemed clearly anti-Semitic.â€
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559old pamphlet saying Lindbergh had become witting or unwitting agent of Nazi with examples:
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561http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/L%20Disk/Lindbergh%20A%20Nazi%20Is/Item%2001.pdf
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565https://books.google.com/books?id=gxigDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT79&lpg=PT79
566 According to the excellent The American Axis: Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh and the Rise of the Third Reich (99), Max Wallace wrote:
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568 [Now] under the increasing influence of his mentor, Lindbergh appeared to be embracing the newly discovered psuedo-science that Carrel espoused, and the righteous dogmatism behind it. "It should now be branded on our consciousness that unless science is controlled by a greater moral force, it will become the Antichrist prophesized by early Christians."
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570 Continuing on this track, years later, Lindbergh would write "We must help the strong; only the elite make the progress of the masses possible." By the late 1930s, "Lindy" would openly express the fear that a white Christian Europe would be swallowed up by the "Asiatic" east. In a controversial article in Reader's Digest in 1939, months before Nazi tanks rolled into Poland, he xpounded more fully on his theory
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572 ...Predictably the aviator developed a long-lasting friendship with fascist-leaning industrialist Henry Ford. When quizzed by the special agent-in-charge of the FBI's Detroit field office on just what he and Lindbergh discussed when the aviator dropped by his pant, Ford answered, "When Charles comes out here, we only discuss the Jews."
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582http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269380/Charles-Lindbergh-s-wife-knew-affairs.html
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584Lindbergh controversy continues 2001 through March 1, 2017...
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594https://www.today.com/popculture/book-lindbergh-had-children-europe-wbna8088935
595 At the heart of the book are selections from letters kept by Brigitte Hesshaimer, who died in 2001. The letters were written in English.
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597 The tone of the letters is often reserved — like Lindbergh himself. His marriage to writer Anne Morrow Lindbergh lasted until his death in Hawaii at age 72, but in the later part of his life he spent much of his time roaming the United States and the globe as a businessman and adviser to the U.S. government.
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599 ... The book says Lindbergh used a post office box in Connecticut to get letters from Hesshaimer and wrote to her at her home in Germany. His farewell letter was sent with no return address; like other letters, it is signed only with his first initial.
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601 The subject matter of the letters is often veiled, including one said to be Lindbergh’s response to news from Brigitte that she was pregnant with Dyrk. “The news you send is wonderful, and I am tremendously happy about it,†the letter reads. “I just wish I could be there with you now, instead of writing this letter...â€
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603 Turmoil over his relationships with the two other women, the book notes, was elusively described as “various problems.â€
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605 “There are bound to be hurt feelings, as there have been,†the same 1958 letter reads.
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607 Schroeck writes that for an outsider, the letter “would be completely incomprehensible. His relationship with Brigitte, Marietta and Valeska could only be suspected by someone who already knew about it.â€
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610where did he pick that up?
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616http://www.jstor.org/stable/41209799?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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618excerpt from Lindbergh's diary before and after Hitler preparing to invade Checkoslovokia
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622http://www.historynet.com/britain-france-not-appeased-hitler-1938.htm
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624sounds like Lindbergh was wrong
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626this says Britain and France could have stopped Hitler at Sudeten crisis--Britain was not ready for war, but neither was Germany
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628taking Checoslovakia helped them build-up arms faster
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631http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/chamberlain-and-hitler/source-3/
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633General Ismay said aborbing Checkoslovakia gave Germany advantage in land forces but bought England and France time to build air defenses
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636https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hastings_Ismay,_1st_Baron_Ismay Also selected by and worked closely with Churchill and oversaw partition of India
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638did he favor anti-aircraft guns from the ground over fighters?
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640ordered digging trenches in London during talks at Munich (fear of war them apparently rubbed-off on Lindbergh)
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642"optimistic" about post-war relations with Russia
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644NY Times applauded his appointment to head NATO
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648http://spartacus-educational.com/Clivenden_Set.htm
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650Lindbergh met with sketchy group influencing British foreign policy to let hitler expand and told them Luftwaffe really strong
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653http://spartacus-educational.com/SSchristie.htm
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656also says a coup was planned against Hitler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oster_conspiracy) if Britain joined forces with Chekoslovokia against Hitler and the British gov and chamberlain knew this before the munich agreements
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659https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Canaris
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661this guy said to be involved with the coup, but impression from wiki article is he probably wanted germany to fight and lose european war
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663what did Canaris and others like him (if read him right) think of the coup?
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665maybe operation valkery used as a way to kill good guys in nazi regime, not sure about Oster plot
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668https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewald_von_Kleist-Schmenzin
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670this guy also went to Britain to tell them about opposition in German high command to Hitler if invaded Checkoslovakia and British supported. Was executed later in operation valkerie.
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673telling according to "journalists" in 1938:
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676https://archive.org/stream/theybetrayedczec00georuoft/theybetrayedczec00georuoft_djvu.txt
677 AUTHOR'S NOTE
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679 This book is the work of a journaUst, and not of
680 an historian. History will later pass judgment on
681 the occurrences of October 1938. All the state-
682 ments contained in this book are based upon trust-
683 worthy reports and documents. The texts of the
684 letters have been taken from the English White
685 Paper.
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687 ...The Generals left in silence. Even the most loyal
688 of them were filled with apprehension. They knew
689 better than anyone how long Germany could wage a
690 war and who would have to bear the whole blame if
691 the war were lost.
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693 Was there perhaps some truth in the rumours
694 current in Paris and London that the Generals would
695 arrest Hitler if he ventured on war ?
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698...
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701https://www.quora.com/Why-did-France-and-Britain-give-Sudetenland-to-Germany-in-Munich-Agreement
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703Sudetenland voted to join germany after WWI but Hitler just wanted to take all of Chekoslovakia
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705Lord Halifax meeting with Nazis important? told them "just do whatever in central/eastern europe" basically. Was Hitler confident he could take Chekoslovakia unopposed and why?
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707in this also says soviets had a deal to defend Czecholovakia if French did, weren't at meeting but French were. Why did France cave in when they had Soviet backing?
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709wikipedia says polish ambassador to France was adamant about not letting Soviets pass and Daladier deffered to Chamberlain, but short on details.
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711other sources say Chekoslovak army was good, so they basically let them get defeated without a shot.
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714https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201709291057809731-munich-agreement-uk-france-italy-nazi/
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716Russian propaganda on Munich agreement with Jabara Carley, seems to play blame games and downplay unusualness of French and English decisions
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719wikipedia emphasizes that Hitler was probably going to start a war over Checkoslovokia anyway. Believable, but if Chamberlain and Daladier operating on that assumption, why let Hitler get stronger first? Had a major opportunity to oppose with Czech, French, English, and Soviet army, oppose internally with Oster coup.
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721Ismay's excuse was apparently that British wasn't prepared to face Luftwaffe, in line with what Lindbergh was saying.
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723wikipedia says Daladier had already figured Hitler for wanting to take over Europe like Napoleon--what was his excuse?
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726https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0618.html?ei=5006&en=bd6a539da5d79a00&ex=1088308800&partner=ALTAVISTA1
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728Daladier suspicious--in with Comunists, gave up at Munich, declared war on Germany later but didn't do anything in war expect built maginot line, played up "super-Maginot myth" telling French public there were defenses in Belgium when their weren't any and so German Blitzkreig broke through fast and shocked public too
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730might be a dupe
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732weird that he called out Hitler as trying to take over Europe but appeased him anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard_Daladier Daladier seems to have done a lot wrong
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735this says Stalin prepared to back up French and British a week before Stalin-Hitler pact, but French and British leadership rejected: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html
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738https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War
739 At the Nuremberg Trials, German military commander Alfred Jodl said that "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions."[16] General Siegfried Westphal stated that if the French had attacked in force in September 1939 the German army "could only have held out for one or two weeks."[17]
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742what's up with that?
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745http://www.historynet.com/operation-saar-a-lost-opportunity-september-99-world-war-ii-feature.htm
746 The day the French army marched into Germany, the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) landed in France. Although the British military was not quite ready to take on the Wehrmacht, British leaders were eager for some sort of action. Winston Churchill, then head of the British Admiralty, proposed floating mines down the Rhine River. The French, however, protested that the Germans would retaliate and blast the Seine River bridges. In the British House of Commons there was equal hesitancy to aggressively conduct the war. When it was suggested that the Black Forest be bombed to create uncontrollable fires in Germany, British Secretary of State for Air Sir Kingsley Wood protested on the grounds that such attacks would be perpetrated against private property. Additionally, French Premier Eduard Daladier requested that the British Royal Air Force (RAF) refrain from bombing Germany. It was fast becoming a gentlemen’s war, with the Germans operating as such out of operational necessity and the French out of timidity.
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748 Unlike the mass-produced machines of the Luftwaffe, French aircraft were virtually hand assembled and in short supply, though they were still formidable in the hands of experienced pilots. The French air force was prohibited from flying missions into Germany despite its capabilities. Had French military leaders realized that the Luftwaffe was wholly involved in the east, the Anglo-French air effort might have been more aggressive. In the west, the Luftwaffe was limited to a few antiquated fighters, many of which were biplanes. The bulk of Messerschmitt Me-109 fighters available were based in the north, protecting the industrial Ruhr and naval facilities. The greatest amount of aerial activity during the period, which came to be known as the “Phony War,†was conducted by Germans flying reconnaissance missions.
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751https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard_Daladier
752 In October 1938, Daladier opened secret talks with the Americans on how to bypass American neutrality laws and allow the French to buy American aircraft to make up for productivity deficiencies in the French aircraft industry.[5] Daladier commented in October 1938, "If I had three or four thousand aircraft, Munich would never have happened," and he was most anxious to buy American war planes as the only way to strengthen the French Air Force.[6] A major problem in the Franco-American talks was how the French were to pay for the American planes, as well as how to bypass the American neutrality acts[7]
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755fear of Luftwaffe played role in reasons cited for English and French leadership decisionmaking in letting Hitler take over europe
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757Lindbergh opposing lend-lease a problem too, would have helped solve the problem of Luftwaffe strength that Lindbergh identified in the first place
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759des moines speech was in Sep 1941, between Hitler invasion of Russia and pearl harbor https://www.historyonthenet.com/world-war-2-timeline-2/ guess Lindbergh thought letting Germany and Russia fight alone better?
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761http://spartacus-educational.com/USAlindbergh.htm
762 Lindbergh argued that "Europe, and the entire world, is fortunate that a Nazi Germany lies, at present, between Communistic Russia and a demoralized France. With the extremes of government which now exist, it is more desirable than ever to keep any one of them from sweeping over Europe. But if the choice must be made it can not be Communism." Lindbergh believed that the Germans were "especially anxious to maintain a friendly relationship with England" and that they had no "intention of attacking France for many years to come, if at all," and they seemed "to have a sincere desire for friendly relations with the United States, but of course that is much less vital to them."
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764 ...Lindbergh argued strongly that "a westward expansion by Hitler might still be prevented through a combination of diplomacy, strategic convenience, and the use of defensive power." Lindbergh's worst fear was that "the potentially gigantic power of America, guided by uninformed and impractical idealism, might crusade into Europe to destroy Hitler without realizing that Hitler's destruction would lay Europe open to the rape, loot, and barbarism of Soviet Russia's forces, causing possibly the fatal wounding of Western civilization." He added "it seemed to me essential to France and England, and even to America, that Germany be maintained as a bulwark against the Soviet Union."
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767apparently what he really believed was this:
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770 ...In 1941 Henry Ford showed his commitment to the America First Committee, by employing as a member of his executive staff. This caused great controversy when on 17th December, 1941, ten days after Pearl Harbour, Lindbergh made a speech where he argued: "There is only one danger in the world-that is the yellow danger. China and Japan are really bound together against the white race. There could only have been one efficient weapon against this alliance.... Germany.... the ideal setup would have been to have had Germany take over Poland and Russia, in collaboration with the British, as a bloc against the yellow people and Bolshevism. But instead, the British and the fools in Washington had to interfere. The British envied the Germans and wanted to rule the world forever. Britain is the real cause of all the trouble in the world today."
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773but that doesn't make sense since Japan and China fighting bitterly at that time
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776this is source on pg 10, but seems iffy: https://ia600407.us.archive.org/12/items/CharlesLindberghFBI/Charles%20Lindbergh%2005.pdf
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779if Lindbergh really wanted to stop Soviets from taking over Europe, wouldn't it have made more sense to crush hitler there while fighting in Russia? like to D-Day earlier. operation overlord delayed for weird reasons and iirc Churchill helped with that. Push through Italy also got delayed https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/top-7-allied-mistakes-in-european-during-wwii.html. U.S. presumably tied up somewhat fighting Japan and Churchill wanted to attack Italy first which happened through North Africa (though landing at Italy might have been better idea than landing at France to end war quickly?) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Roundup_(1942) this says Churchill opposed U.S. generals pushing for early invasion of Europe during Russian campaign and wanted to attack in mediterranian instead, with wikipedia giving some bs-sounding reasons)
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781they did do a half-assed attempt to open second front in 1942: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a491502.pdf It failed, hurt allied morale and maybe used as excuse not to try again until 1944? (not sure about this) (this says it was used as an excuse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sledgehammer)
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784https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch
785 Operation Torch (initially called Operation Gymnast) was the British-United States invasion of French North Africa during the North African Campaign of the Second World War which started on 8 November 1942. It is the first major operation that US troops undertook in the European / North African theatre of World War II.[4]
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787 The Soviet Union had pressed the US and British to start operations in Europe and open a second front to reduce the pressure of German forces on the Soviet troops. While US commanders favored Operation Sledgehammer, landing in Occupied Europe as soon as possible, British commanders believed that such a course was likely to end in disaster.[5] Landings in French North Africa were instead proposed.
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790once at Checkoslovakia, again at Poland, then after operation barbarossa--three strikes you're out? seems like Lindbergh was always on the wrong side of this too.
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792after operation barbarossa, probably best solution would have been to team up soviets, U.S., british and all come down on Hitler hard ASAP
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794allied leadership solution was to piddle around at Dieppe and north africa while giving soviets aid so they could fight Nazis on their own then take over half of Europe
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796Lindbergh solution was to give Soviets no aid and let them loose to Nazis or fight and exhaust each other
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799Japan played similar role to Germany in asia, but allies didn't stop Soviets there either