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8-[bat strikes ball]
9-[crowd cheering]
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13[announcer]  Line drive to right field...
14
153
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17[man]  Solemnly swear the testimony
18you're about to give will be the truth...
19
204
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22[Marion Jones]  I have never,
23ever failed a drug test.
24
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27Before, during and after the Olympics.
28
296
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31Over 160 drug tests.
32
337
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35I have never failed a test.
36
378
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39[woman]  For the record,
40have you ever used human growth hormone
41
429
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44or any other performance-enhancing
45substance?
46
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49[Lance Armstrong]  No.
50
5111
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53[man]  I'm trying
54to make sure your testimony's clear.
55
5612
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58[Armstrong]  How many times
59do I have to say it?
60
6113
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63I've never taken drugs.
64
6514
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67[man]  You're winning
68the Tour de France...
69
7015
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72[Armstrong]  How clear is that?
73
7416
7500:01:07,609 --> 00:01:08,818
76[man]  ...win the Tour de France,
77
7817
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80like the all-time greats
81who've ever won this big event.
82
8318
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85[Armstrong]  Extraordinary accusations...
86
8719
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89must be followed up
90with extraordinary proof.
91
9220
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94And they have not come up
95with extraordinary proof.
96
9721
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99[Bryan Fogel]  See...
100
10122
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103We have...
104
10523
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107...this mountain bike.
108
10924
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111Loading up the Thule rack.
112
11325
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115And this is my entire life
116in the car right now,
117
11826
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120set up, ready for insanity.
121
12227
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124I'm getting ready for the single hardest
125amateur cycling event in the world.
126
12728
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129It's basically a miniature Tour de France
130for insane people.
131
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134[man] Does it qualify for anything
135if you do well with it?
136
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139[Fogel] Yeah, stupidity.
140
14131
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143[both laughing]
144
14532
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147I've been riding for 28 years seriously,
148but never as a professional.
149
15033
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152Going to these massive amateur events
153that are not professional,
154
15534
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157but, I mean, there's serious guys there.
158And the... [laughs]
159
16035
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162-Max! He loves... He's got a foot fetish.
163-[man laughs] It tickles!
164
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167[Fogel]  I certainly didn't know
168when I started on this
169
17037
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172what it was gonna lead to.
173
17438
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176When LeMond won that first Tour de France,
177
17839
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180I was in seventh grade, I think.
181
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184[man]  Can you believe it?
185After over 2,000 miles...
186
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189His name in French means "the world,"
190
19142
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193and this is the world of Greg LeMond
194in Paris today.
195
19643
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198[Fogel]  Being the first American
199to win it,
200
20144
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203it really brought me into the sport.
204
20545
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207I ate a wheel
208going about 40 miles an hour.
209
21046
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212I spent my entire freshman year of college
213with plastic teeth in my mouth.
214
21547
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217I would've kept racing
218if it wasn't for that.
219
22048
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222[man]  He's really hurting...
223
22449
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226[Fogel]  Later, Armstrong came along.
227That was a whole other ball of wax.
228
22950
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231[man]  ...off the back wheel
232of Armstrong,
233
23451
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236-they can't respond to pressure.
237-[man 2]  The gap is there.
238
23952
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241He is just going faster
242and faster and faster.
243
24453
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246[man]  This has to be
247the greatest comeback in any sport.
248
24954
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251The fact that Armstrong managed
252to conquer cancer was unbelievable.
253
25455
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256Now he's riding at the front
257of the Tour de France like a Trojan.
258
25956
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261[Fogel]  I think I'm a year
262and a half younger than Lance.
263
26457
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266He was kind of my hero.
267
26858
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270[Oprah Winfrey] For now,
271I'd just like a yes or a no.
272
27359
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275Did you ever take banned substances
276to enhance your cycling performance?
277
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280Yes.
281
28261
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284[Fogel]  I'd always suspected
285that he had been doping.
286
28762
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289I felt that I didn't really wanna know.
290
29163
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293Because a lot of the guys
294that he raced with
295
29664
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298and guys who had raced against him
299that I'd just known over the years...
300
30165
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303they were my friends.
304
30566
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307If you would've had your choice,
308you would've never doped?
309
31067
31100:04:29,561 --> 00:04:31,438
312-[mutters]
313-[Fogel] Ever?
314
31568
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317Up until it directly affected me,
318
31969
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321I was like, "I think Lance is
322probably clean." [chuckles]
323
32470
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326[Dave Zabriskie] I don't know.
327
32871
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330It's... messy.
331
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334[Fogel]  The way they got him,
335this is what nobody understood.
336
33773
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339[Armstrong]  150 times
340over the last six years, I've been tested.
341
34274
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344In competition, out of competition,
345at home, at a race,
346
34775
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349Seven in the morning, seven at night,
350whatever, and they're all clean.
351
35276
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354[Fogel]  He never failed a drug test.
355
35677
35700:05:03,678 --> 00:05:04,762
358[indistinct chatter]
359
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362[man]  Solemnly swear the testimony
363you're about to give will be the truth?
364
36579
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367[Fogel]  It was his teammates
368who had turned on him
369
37080
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372as part of the federal investigation.
373
37481
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376[crowd cheering]
377
37882
37900:05:16,148 --> 00:05:21,613
380If this guy had passed, whatever it is,
381500 doping tests over his entire career,
382
38383
38400:05:22,322 --> 00:05:25,157
385clearly the system didn't work.
386
38784
38800:05:26,659 --> 00:05:30,663
389How many times did you test Lance
390during his career?
391
39285
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394[Don Catlin]  As the laboratory of record,
395
39686
39700:05:34,709 --> 00:05:39,672
398I'm estimating that I would've tested him
39950 times. 5-0.
400
40187
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403[Fogel] So you tested Lance 50 times
404and never caught him?
405
40688
40700:05:44,636 --> 00:05:45,887
408Correct.
409
41089
41100:05:47,639 --> 00:05:53,811
412I developed and operated
413the UCLA Olympic Laboratory for 25 years.
414
41590
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417I'm known mostly for developing tests
418
41991
42000:05:57,732 --> 00:06:01,068
421so that athletes get caught
422if they're using drugs.
423
42492
42500:06:03,070 --> 00:06:05,448
426[Fogel] How did you
427personally feel every year?
428
42993
43000:06:05,532 --> 00:06:08,117
431Did you believe that it was just Lance?
432
43394
43400:06:10,495 --> 00:06:12,497
435-Do you think that--
436-They're all doping.
437
43895
43900:06:13,456 --> 00:06:15,041
440Every single one of 'em.
441
44296
44300:06:16,459 --> 00:06:18,545
444Unfortunately, the drugs work. [chuckles]
445
44697
44700:06:20,463 --> 00:06:26,678
448With certain knowledge, you can
449get around the testing all the time.
450
45198
45200:06:27,512 --> 00:06:29,556
453It's really easy to beat.
454
45599
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457Very easy.
458
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461[Fogel]  Originally, the idea that I had
462
463101
46400:06:36,228 --> 00:06:41,776
465was to prove the system in place
466to test athletes was bullshit.
467
468102
46900:06:43,778 --> 00:06:48,450
470I had read about the hardest
471amateur cycling race on the planet,
472
473103
47400:06:48,533 --> 00:06:50,034
475this seven-day race
476
477104
47800:06:50,118 --> 00:06:52,286
479through the French Alps,
480called the Haute Route.
481
482105
48300:06:55,957 --> 00:06:59,335
484If you were to take the hardest seven days
485in the Tour de France,
486
487106
48800:06:59,418 --> 00:07:02,213
489put 'em all together
490back-to-back-to-back-to-back,
491
492107
49300:07:02,296 --> 00:07:05,467
494that would be
495what this Haute Route course was like.
496
497108
49800:07:08,595 --> 00:07:10,680
499The first year I did it totally clean.
500
501109
50200:07:11,848 --> 00:07:14,559
503There were 440 masochists.
504
505110
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507My goal was to be in the top 100.
508
509111
51000:07:30,032 --> 00:07:34,495
511After seven days, 75,000 feet of climbing
512and 1,000 miles...
513
514112
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516I was destroyed.
517
518113
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520[coughing]
521
522114
52300:07:47,008 --> 00:07:48,718
524But I finished 14th.
525
526115
52700:07:50,678 --> 00:07:52,930
528There's about ten guys, it seems,
529
530116
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532that are on just another level
533than everybody else.
534
535117
53600:07:58,435 --> 00:08:01,731
537Then there's this next group,
538and then there's me.
539
540118
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542[Fogel on phone]  What did you think
543of the idea?
544
545119
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547[Catlin]  Well, in certain senses,
548I like the idea.
549
550120
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552It depends on what you consider
553to be dangerous...
554
555121
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557[Fogel]  Right.
558
559122
56000:08:15,578 --> 00:08:18,456
561[Catlin]  ...testing yourself
562on these drugs.
563
564123
56500:08:19,331 --> 00:08:23,670
566But I was curious, you know,
567how you were going to do it.
568
569124
57000:08:23,753 --> 00:08:26,673
571I might be willing to help
572and advise and...
573
574125
57500:08:27,464 --> 00:08:29,175
576avoid positives.
577
578126
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580[Zabriskie]  Are you gonna take drugs?
581
582127
58300:08:33,805 --> 00:08:36,641
584Yeah. Basically, go through...
585
586128
58700:08:36,724 --> 00:08:43,397
588go through an entire doping program,
589but overseen by the scientist.
590
591129
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593I'm gonna have Don Catlin design
594a program for me
595
596130
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598that's gonna get through every single one
599of the doping controls in the world...
600
601131
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603clean.
604
605132
60600:09:06,588 --> 00:09:10,550
607If I could do that
608and I could get away with it,
609
610133
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612that would mean that pretty much
613any athlete could do that
614
615134
61600:09:13,970 --> 00:09:15,722
617and any athlete could get away with it.
618
619135
62000:09:17,098 --> 00:09:21,310
621[Catlin]  You're going to need a laboratory
622to test your body fluids.
623
624136
62500:09:21,393 --> 00:09:24,647
626[Fogel]  I wasn't sure how I was gonna get
627my samples into the lab yet.
628
629137
63000:09:24,731 --> 00:09:27,233
631The only labs
632that test professional athletes
633
634138
63500:09:27,316 --> 00:09:29,360
636are WADA-accredited labs.
637
638139
63900:09:30,361 --> 00:09:33,656
640[Catlin]  WADA is
641the World Anti-Doping Agency.
642
643140
64400:09:34,448 --> 00:09:37,827
645[Fogel]  The labs are set up
646that you can't just go do this.
647
648141
64900:09:38,535 --> 00:09:42,456
650Because if somebody could just send
651their samples into a lab,
652
653142
65400:09:42,539 --> 00:09:45,209
655then anybody could figure out how
656to game the system.
657
658143
65900:09:47,086 --> 00:09:48,087
660And then...
661
662144
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664[Catlin]  This could damage my reputation
665that I've worked on for years...
666
667145
66800:09:52,633 --> 00:09:55,344
669[Fogel]  He just started getting worried
670about his legacy.
671
672146
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674[Catlin]  My involvement...
675it's just not gonna work.
676
677147
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679[Fogel]  He backed out.
680
681148
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683But, you know, God bless Don Catlin,
684
685149
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687because he told me
688that he knew this guy...
689
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692[Catlin]  The director of the Olympic lab
693in Moscow, Grigory Rodchenkov.
694
695151
69600:10:11,819 --> 00:10:13,696
697He's a great old friend.
698
699152
70000:10:14,655 --> 00:10:17,408
701[Fogel]  We talk a few times.
702He's in Moscow.
703
704153
70500:10:18,284 --> 00:10:22,246
706And that set off
707this whole chain of events.
708
709154
71000:10:26,167 --> 00:10:27,710
711[ringing]
712
713155
71400:10:30,713 --> 00:10:32,381
715[woman speaking indistinctly]
716
717156
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719[Grigory Rodchenkov]  Tell something.
720
721157
72200:10:35,217 --> 00:10:36,052
723Hi.
724
725158
72600:10:36,135 --> 00:10:37,386
727Oh! Great.
728
729159
73000:10:37,470 --> 00:10:39,847
731-It's a secret window. Now it's clean.
732-Hmm.
733
734160
73500:10:40,097 --> 00:10:41,683
736Yeah, you look good now.
737
738161
73900:10:41,766 --> 00:10:43,810
740-Yes, you, too. Go ahead.
741-[chuckles]
742
743162
74400:10:45,227 --> 00:10:50,232
745I met with this guy who's gonna at least,
746like, prescribe me the protocol.
747
748163
74900:10:50,316 --> 00:10:53,945
750What is your ultimate purpose?
751You would like to beat doping test?
752
753164
75400:10:54,028 --> 00:10:56,197
755You would like to start
756your hormonal program?
757
758165
75900:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,618
760-Yes.
761-Then give sample... and prove negative.
762
763166
76400:11:00,702 --> 00:11:01,703
765Yes.
766
767167
76800:11:01,786 --> 00:11:03,120
769Ha, ha, ha.
770
771168
77200:11:03,204 --> 00:11:07,374
773You need a very serious advisor
774because there are a lot of traps.
775
776169
77700:11:07,458 --> 00:11:10,044
778-[toy squeaking]
779-Normally drug-- Okay.
780
781170
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783[speaking Russian]
784
785171
78600:11:11,671 --> 00:11:13,130
787[in English]  My dog is playing.
788
789172
79000:11:13,214 --> 00:11:16,342
791I just came back,
792and he's very much excited.
793
794173
79500:11:16,425 --> 00:11:18,219
796And he has a special toy...
797
798174
79900:11:18,302 --> 00:11:19,804
800-[toy squeaking]
801-Yeah, I hear it.
802
803175
80400:11:19,887 --> 00:11:21,848
805Hey, you wanna see my dog?
806
807176
80800:11:22,431 --> 00:11:24,058
809-Let me get him.
810-Yes.
811
812177
81300:11:25,976 --> 00:11:27,853
814-[chuckles]
815-Oh!
816
817178
81800:11:27,937 --> 00:11:29,563
819[Rodchenkov]  Is it male, female?
820
821179
82200:11:29,646 --> 00:11:30,647
823Male.
824
825180
82600:11:31,941 --> 00:11:33,025
827Castrated?
828
829181
83000:11:33,109 --> 00:11:34,318
831No. [chuckles]
832
833182
83400:11:34,401 --> 00:11:35,903
835[Rodchenkov]  So with balls?
836
837183
83800:11:35,987 --> 00:11:37,238
839He's got the balls.
840
841184
84200:11:37,321 --> 00:11:40,532
843Yeah. There is the balls. Yes, yes.
844
845185
84600:11:40,616 --> 00:11:41,617
847[all laughing]
848
849186
85000:11:41,701 --> 00:11:44,537
851-Yeah, this is Max.
852- [Rodchenkov]  Max.
853
854187
85500:11:44,620 --> 00:11:45,913
856Max. Yeah.
857
858188
85900:11:45,996 --> 00:11:49,500
860Testosterone,
861you have to have a prescription.
862
863189
86400:11:49,583 --> 00:11:51,669
865Yes, uh, injectable.
866
867190
86800:11:51,752 --> 00:11:52,753
869Injectable, right.
870
871191
87200:11:52,837 --> 00:11:54,922
873So, now you are clever, huh?
874
875192
87600:11:55,506 --> 00:11:56,716
877Like Lance Armstrong.
878
879193
88000:11:57,299 --> 00:11:58,675
881Send it to me.
882
883194
88400:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,303
885Names, doses, for how long...
886
887195
88800:12:01,387 --> 00:12:03,305
889So everything should be orchestrated.
890
891196
89200:12:03,890 --> 00:12:06,809
893[Fogel]  How do I do that?
894Just send you everything I'm gonna take?
895
896197
89700:12:06,893 --> 00:12:09,812
898[Rodchenkov]  Yes, your one-month schedule.
899Yes.
900
901198
90200:12:11,397 --> 00:12:14,441
903We've got three medications
904that you'll take by injection.
905
906199
90700:12:14,525 --> 00:12:18,279
908-This is five times a week?
909-Yeah, it's all on your regimen sheet.
910
911200
91200:12:18,905 --> 00:12:21,032
913We'll draw up half a cc.
914
915201
91600:12:21,115 --> 00:12:23,200
917-Looks like a big needle.
918-It's a tiny needle.
919
920202
92100:12:23,284 --> 00:12:24,285
922-Really?
923-Yeah.
924
925203
92600:12:24,368 --> 00:12:29,206
927Your testosterone comes ready to go.
928This is very, very viscous.
929
930204
93100:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,878
932It's a very thick substance,
933so you need a big needle to draw it up.
934
935205
93600:12:35,629 --> 00:12:36,964
937Then we're gonna pull out.
938
939206
94000:12:37,756 --> 00:12:39,716
941So there's your .2 cc's.
942
943207
94400:12:39,801 --> 00:12:42,719
945And that one goes also in the top
946of your thigh.
947
948208
94900:12:42,804 --> 00:12:44,180
950[inhales sharply]
951
952209
95300:12:44,263 --> 00:12:46,974
954-I'm a little nervous, but all right.
955-Okay.
956
957210
95800:12:47,058 --> 00:12:48,600
959[Scott Brandt] Give me a thigh.
960
961211
96200:12:48,684 --> 00:12:50,519
963And does it hurt the muscle?
964Do you flex?
965
966212
96700:12:50,602 --> 00:12:53,314
968[Brandt] It's not gonna go in your muscle.
969It's gonna go above.
970
971213
97200:12:53,397 --> 00:12:57,026
973You just pinch it, and we're just gonna go
974just through the skin.
975
976214
97700:12:57,109 --> 00:12:58,194
978That's it.
979
980215
98100:12:58,277 --> 00:13:00,863
982And then we're just gonna put that
983underneath the skin.
984
985216
98600:13:00,947 --> 00:13:02,907
987-Did that hurt?
988-[Fogel] No, not too bad.
989
990217
99100:13:02,990 --> 00:13:06,077
992-I mean, I see it there.
993-It'll go away in no time.
994
995218
99600:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,995
997-[Brandt] That's the HCG.
998-Oh, shit.
999
1000219
100100:13:08,079 --> 00:13:10,706
1002[Brandt] And right next to it,
1003the testosterone.
1004
1005220
100600:13:10,789 --> 00:13:13,417
1007Pop it through the skin.
1008That's all we're looking to do.
1009
1010221
101100:13:13,500 --> 00:13:15,711
1012Just through the skin.
1013It's real thick now.
1014
1015222
101600:13:16,879 --> 00:13:19,590
1017-And you are pumped up.
1018-Whoa!
1019
1020223
102100:13:19,673 --> 00:13:21,258
1022How long till those bumps go down?
1023
1024224
102500:13:21,342 --> 00:13:23,635
1026-They'll go quick. Within a half hour.
1027-Okay. Whoa.
1028
1029225
103000:13:23,719 --> 00:13:25,179
1031And so we begin.
1032
1033226
103400:13:28,224 --> 00:13:32,519
1035[Brandt]  The ability to go day after day
1036will be brand new for you, I think.
1037
1038227
103900:13:33,604 --> 00:13:35,564
1040Going to do an injection.
1041
1042228
104300:13:36,690 --> 00:13:37,649
1044[Fogel]  Exciting.
1045
1046229
104700:13:39,151 --> 00:13:42,071
1048[Brandt]  I work with one trainer
1049that does a lot of fitness
1050
1051230
105200:13:42,154 --> 00:13:43,990
1053as well as nutrition coaching.
1054
1055231
105600:13:44,073 --> 00:13:45,699
1057[Ben Stone] Almost there. Come on, Bryan.
1058
1059232
106000:13:45,782 --> 00:13:48,995
1061[Brandt]  We should be able to see
1062a 15 to 20% improvement.
1063
1064233
106500:13:51,038 --> 00:13:52,915
1066[Fogel]  What's your dog's name again?
1067
1068234
106900:13:53,499 --> 00:13:54,708
1070[Rodchenkov]  Vrangei.
1071
1072235
107300:13:54,792 --> 00:13:57,586
1074Okay. Did you start your program?
1075
1076236
107700:13:57,669 --> 00:13:59,005
1078[Fogel]  I did.
1079
1080237
108100:13:59,088 --> 00:14:01,632
1082This is my morning pill-popping routine.
1083
1084238
108500:14:03,092 --> 00:14:06,888
1086And then I prepare the testosterone.
1087
1088239
108900:14:07,972 --> 00:14:10,307
1090[Rodchenkov]  Yes, testosterone propionate.
1091
1092240
109300:14:10,391 --> 00:14:11,433
1094[Fogel]  Yes.
1095
1096241
109700:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,395
1098It's really thick.
1099
1100242
110100:14:15,354 --> 00:14:18,774
1102What made you think
1103that Grigory might help me?
1104
1105243
110600:14:19,650 --> 00:14:23,112
1107Well, it's difficult for me
1108to answer that without...
1109
1110244
111100:14:24,363 --> 00:14:28,367
1112saying things about Grigory
1113that aren't very kind.
1114
1115245
111600:14:29,826 --> 00:14:32,246
1117Okay, let me think.
1118
1119246
112000:14:34,706 --> 00:14:37,209
1121-So, you've already did it for two weeks?
1122-[dog pants]
1123
1124247
112500:14:37,293 --> 00:14:39,044
1126-He's fucking me.
1127-[Fogel laughing]
1128
1129248
113000:14:39,128 --> 00:14:41,797
1131He's fucking me.  [speaking Russian]
1132
1133249
113400:14:43,257 --> 00:14:46,093
1135[in English]  Just pee
1136and collect your urine today.
1137
1138250
113900:14:46,177 --> 00:14:47,844
1140And drop into the freezer.
1141
1142251
114300:14:47,929 --> 00:14:51,974
1144So just pee, take some urine
1145and put it in the freezer?
1146
1147252
114800:14:52,058 --> 00:14:52,892
1149In the freezer.
1150
1151253
115200:14:53,559 --> 00:14:56,938
1153There's day eight, day ten...
1154
1155254
115600:14:57,771 --> 00:14:58,689
1157Needle.
1158
1159255
116000:15:03,319 --> 00:15:05,446
1161The testosterone with the HGH,
1162
1163256
116400:15:05,529 --> 00:15:08,991
1165it's a weird feeling because
1166it doesn't feel like I'm on anything.
1167
1168257
116900:15:09,783 --> 00:15:12,369
1170Are you now training?
1171And you feel a little bit stronger?
1172
1173258
117400:15:12,453 --> 00:15:14,788
1175Yeah, I really felt stronger.
1176
1177259
117800:15:14,871 --> 00:15:16,165
1179That's good.
1180
1181260
118200:15:16,248 --> 00:15:20,252
1183Forty milligrams each other day
1184is a very good protocol.
1185
1186261
118700:15:21,462 --> 00:15:25,049
1188[Fogel]  I still had no idea
1189why a WADA lab director
1190
1191262
119200:15:25,132 --> 00:15:27,259
1193who did all the testing
1194for the Sochi Olympics
1195
1196263
119700:15:27,843 --> 00:15:29,678
1198would agree to do this,
1199
1200264
120100:15:29,761 --> 00:15:34,766
1202because his job was supposed to be
1203to catch athletes.
1204
1205265
120600:15:35,726 --> 00:15:38,645
1207So you want me to do 24,000 units
1208in one month?
1209
1210266
121100:15:38,729 --> 00:15:39,605
1212Yes.
1213
1214267
121500:15:39,688 --> 00:15:42,024
1216[Fogel] Fuck, man. That's a lot of EPO.
1217
1218268
121900:15:43,150 --> 00:15:45,777
1220[Rodchenkov]  You have just common fears,
1221and it's paranoia.
1222
1223269
122400:15:45,861 --> 00:15:50,282
1225We are imitating... We are reproducing
1226Lance Armstrong's scenario.
1227
1228270
122900:15:50,866 --> 00:15:54,620
1230I'm getting kind of bruises
1231all over my legs.
1232
1233271
123400:15:54,703 --> 00:15:57,664
1235Don't disturb your thigh at all.
1236Stop it.
1237
1238272
123900:15:57,748 --> 00:16:02,003
1240You can inject into your thigh muscle,
1241but better to the ass.
1242
1243273
124400:16:02,086 --> 00:16:04,171
1245[Fogel stammers]  Into my ass?
1246
1247274
124800:16:04,255 --> 00:16:05,256
1249[Rodchenkov]  Much more!
1250
1251275
125200:16:05,339 --> 00:16:06,340
1253[Fogel]  Okay.
1254
1255276
125600:16:07,008 --> 00:16:09,093
1257This is starting to get ridiculous.
1258
1259277
126000:16:09,635 --> 00:16:10,677
1261Ow!
1262
1263278
126400:16:10,761 --> 00:16:13,847
1265Wow! I'm bleeding from that.
1266[inhales sharply] Okay.
1267
1268279
126900:16:14,515 --> 00:16:17,268
1270Oh, fuck, I'm really bleeding
1271from that one, too.
1272
1273280
127400:16:18,102 --> 00:16:19,228
1275Let me get some alcohol.
1276
1277281
127800:16:21,105 --> 00:16:23,524
1279Um, okay, so then a half of this one.
1280
1281282
128200:16:27,861 --> 00:16:29,405
1283[inhales deeply]
1284
1285283
128600:16:29,488 --> 00:16:31,032
1287Oh, fuck!
1288
1289284
129000:16:31,740 --> 00:16:32,741
1291[sighs]
1292
1293285
129400:16:34,451 --> 00:16:37,246
1295Um... [grunts]
1296
1297286
129800:16:40,582 --> 00:16:41,583
1299Okay.
1300
1301287
130200:16:43,252 --> 00:16:44,753
1303So, that's that.
1304
1305288
130600:16:47,297 --> 00:16:50,175
1307He was like, [in Russian accent]
1308"You don't do subcutaneous.
1309
1310289
131100:16:50,259 --> 00:16:52,302
1312You put it right into your ass.
1313
1314290
131500:16:52,386 --> 00:16:55,305
1316-[laughing]
1317-No, we go one inch into buttocks.
1318
1319291
132000:16:55,389 --> 00:16:57,349
1321Show me that bottle again."
1322
1323292
132400:16:57,974 --> 00:16:59,226
1325[Stone]  You're kidding me.
1326
1327293
132800:17:01,186 --> 00:17:02,980
1329[Rodchenkov]  Have you seen movie with me?
1330
1331294
133200:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,773
1333-No.
1334-Separate movie.
1335
1336295
133700:17:04,856 --> 00:17:06,650
1338-Which movie?
1339-No?
1340
1341296
134200:17:07,443 --> 00:17:08,277
1343About me.
1344
1345297
134600:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,115
1347[man]  All athletes in Russia are doping.
1348
1349298
135000:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,121
1351The athletes that are
1352under Mr. Rodchenkov,
1353
1354299
135500:17:19,205 --> 00:17:20,831
1356they don't get positive tests.
1357
1358300
135900:17:24,251 --> 00:17:28,755
1360[narrator in German]  The laboratory was
1361internationally recognized for research.
1362
1363301
136400:17:28,839 --> 00:17:31,092
1365Its head scientist is considered
1366an outstanding scientist.
1367
1368302
136900:17:31,175 --> 00:17:32,718
1370Grigory Rodchenkov.
1371
1372303
137300:17:34,010 --> 00:17:36,888
1374[woman in Russian]  Dr. Rodchenkov
1375is informed about everything.
1376
1377304
137800:17:37,473 --> 00:17:41,060
1379He knows how long the drugs need
1380to disappear from the body.
1381
1382305
138300:17:41,143 --> 00:17:44,438
1384He is aware and instructs.
1385He's the most important specialist.
1386
1387306
138800:17:46,398 --> 00:17:49,651
1389[Fogel]  The ARD documentary
1390regarding the Russian whistle-blowers...
1391
1392307
139300:17:50,236 --> 00:17:53,655
1394what did you think,
1395hearing these allegations?
1396
1397308
139800:17:54,490 --> 00:17:57,409
1399It was inflammatory enough
1400that they were afraid to run it
1401
1402309
140300:17:58,077 --> 00:18:00,496
1404while the whistle-blowers were still
1405in Russia.
1406
1407310
140800:18:01,330 --> 00:18:04,291
1409So they got them out of Russia,
1410ran the program,
1411
1412311
141300:18:04,375 --> 00:18:06,502
1414and it was a bombshell.
1415
1416312
141700:18:06,585 --> 00:18:10,631
1418[man]  99% of Russian athletes
1419are guilty of doping.
1420
1421313
142200:18:10,714 --> 00:18:14,551
1423That's according to a recent
1424German documentary aired on ARD.
1425
1426314
142700:18:14,635 --> 00:18:18,347
1428[woman]  WADA's president,
1429Craig Reedie, promised an investigation,
1430
1431315
143200:18:18,430 --> 00:18:19,890
1433effective immediately.
1434
1435316
143600:18:19,973 --> 00:18:22,684
1437[Craig Reedie]  It is wrong just to make
1438any kind of assumption
1439
1440317
144100:18:22,768 --> 00:18:24,561
1442on allegations in the media.
1443
1444318
144500:18:24,645 --> 00:18:28,690
1446Athletes must be presumed
1447to be innocent until proven guilty.
1448
1449319
145000:18:28,774 --> 00:18:32,944
1451These are wild allegations,
1452and we'll have to check them out.
1453
1454320
145500:18:33,820 --> 00:18:35,447
1456[Richard McLaren]
1457Reedie had to do something.
1458
1459321
146000:18:36,323 --> 00:18:38,950
1461That's how the Independent Commission
1462was created.
1463
1464322
146500:18:39,868 --> 00:18:44,290
1466I had investigative experience
1467for a decade and a half,
1468
1469323
147000:18:44,373 --> 00:18:46,792
1471and some big investigations,
1472
1473324
147400:18:46,875 --> 00:18:50,171
1475like US Olympic Committees
1476and Major League Baseball.
1477
1478325
147900:18:50,254 --> 00:18:54,258
1480[man]  And Bonds hits one high!
1481It's a ding!
1482
1483326
148400:18:55,801 --> 00:19:00,347
1485Our mandate was athletics,
1486track and field and Russia.
1487
1488327
148900:19:01,473 --> 00:19:03,976
1490The WADA chairman
1491named this Independent Commission
1492
1493328
149400:19:04,685 --> 00:19:06,770
1495and said, "Let's get at it."
1496
1497329
149800:19:07,521 --> 00:19:10,774
1499[man]  The Anti-Doping Agency
1500wants a report by the end of the year,
1501
1502330
150300:19:10,857 --> 00:19:13,277
1504and athletics officials say
1505they'll cooperate.
1506
1507331
150800:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,779
1509It's unclear, though,
1510what actions might be taken.
1511
1512332
151300:19:15,862 --> 00:19:17,156
1514Thomas Daigle, CBC News.
1515
1516333
151700:19:17,239 --> 00:19:19,408
1518[Fogel]  Is it gonna be okay?
1519Is it gonna pass over?
1520
1521334
152200:19:19,491 --> 00:19:20,617
1523Is this gonna cause you--
1524
1525335
152600:19:20,701 --> 00:19:22,453
1527No, no, no. It's growing.
1528
1529336
153000:19:22,536 --> 00:19:23,537
1531It's growing?
1532
1533337
153400:19:23,620 --> 00:19:25,164
1535It's like a tornado coming.
1536
1537338
153800:19:27,082 --> 00:19:30,211
1539Okay, so you are receiving how many units?
1540
1541339
154200:19:32,921 --> 00:19:35,591
1543[Fogel] Grigory, the Moscow scientist
1544I was showing you,
1545
1546340
154700:19:35,674 --> 00:19:37,050
1548who did all the testing for Sochi,
1549
1550341
155100:19:37,133 --> 00:19:41,305
1552who's now at the center
1553of this big Russian doping scandal.
1554
1555342
155600:19:41,388 --> 00:19:43,724
1557Russia was doping their athletes
1558in the '80s.
1559
1560343
156100:19:43,807 --> 00:19:47,018
1562-Apparently, they've never stopped.
1563-Really?
1564
1565344
156600:19:47,102 --> 00:19:49,396
1567[Fogel]  The crazy thing is, Richard Pound,
1568
1569345
157000:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,899
1571the guy who was the head of WADA
1572for 15 years,
1573
1574346
157500:19:52,983 --> 00:19:58,029
1576has actually been hired
1577to lead the investigation against Grigory.
1578
1579347
158000:19:58,614 --> 00:20:01,825
1581Um... I don't know
1582what you want me to do with that.
1583
1584348
158500:20:02,409 --> 00:20:03,702
1586Meaning?
1587
1588349
158900:20:03,785 --> 00:20:07,038
1590I don't know how...
1591Shit. My computer's about to die.
1592
1593350
159400:20:07,122 --> 00:20:09,040
1595I don't know how...
1596
1597351
159800:20:10,626 --> 00:20:13,712
1599-Let me grab my power cord. I'll be back.
1600-Do you have a charger? All right.
1601
1602352
160300:20:15,381 --> 00:20:20,302
1604There might be someone else out there
1605that might be a better decision or choice.
1606
1607353
160800:20:20,386 --> 00:20:23,930
1609You're using this guy as your coach.
1610What's your comfort level?
1611
1612354
161300:20:24,014 --> 00:20:27,351
1614-Here's how I'm looking at it...
1615-You can find someone else.
1616
1617355
161800:20:28,018 --> 00:20:32,481
1619I guess you call it "doping doctors."
1620I don't know what you would label Grigory.
1621
1622356
162300:20:32,564 --> 00:20:34,691
1624Is he a biochemist? I don't even know.
1625
1626357
162700:20:35,192 --> 00:20:38,153
1628It doesn't even matter.
1629I don't like this shit.
1630
1631358
163200:20:38,737 --> 00:20:41,990
1633[Fogel]  Look,
1634there's no finding someone else.
1635
1636359
163700:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,795
1638[Brandt]  Your numbers look great.
1639
1640360
164100:20:54,878 --> 00:20:57,839
1642Your testosterone is pretty much
1643right where we want you.
1644
1645361
164600:20:58,340 --> 00:21:02,553
1647Grigory, what's the typical wash-out
1648for urine to go to negative
1649
1650362
165100:21:02,636 --> 00:21:04,763
1652from a full treatment of testosterone?
1653
1654363
165500:21:04,846 --> 00:21:07,015
1656How many days does that take usually?
1657Seven?
1658
1659364
166000:21:07,098 --> 00:21:10,101
1661[Rodchenkov]  For Bryan,
1662two weeks will be nice.
1663
1664365
166500:21:10,185 --> 00:21:12,938
1666Is there any way that we could test
1667that here in the States,
1668
1669366
167000:21:13,021 --> 00:21:16,107
1671or it's gotta go back to you
1672to test those frozen urines?
1673
1674367
167500:21:16,191 --> 00:21:19,778
1676It's the only way.
1677But again, I am under heavy control.
1678
1679368
168000:21:20,362 --> 00:21:23,865
1681WADA now, they have an inquiry about me.
1682
1683369
168400:21:23,949 --> 00:21:24,866
1685[Brandt]  Yes.
1686
1687370
168800:21:24,950 --> 00:21:28,329
1689So you see, like, me...
1690I'm a very dangerous person.
1691
1692371
169300:21:29,580 --> 00:21:33,375
1694How do you think is the best way
1695to basically get that test done?
1696
1697372
169800:21:34,084 --> 00:21:35,502
1699Maybe, hopefully...
1700
1701373
170200:21:35,586 --> 00:21:38,714
1703I would like to do this,
1704to come to, maybe, LA,
1705
1706374
170700:21:38,797 --> 00:21:42,301
1708and to smuggle something to Russia.
1709Some urines from you.
1710
1711375
171200:21:42,843 --> 00:21:44,928
1713Um... [stammers]
1714
1715376
171600:21:45,011 --> 00:21:48,307
1717Could we send 'em to Salt Lake City
1718or another lab?
1719
1720377
172100:21:48,390 --> 00:21:50,559
1722No, no, no. It's strictly prohibited.
1723
1724378
172500:21:55,606 --> 00:21:57,232
1726[indistinct chatter]
1727
1728379
172900:22:00,819 --> 00:22:03,822
1730You are so skinny! [speaking Russian]
1731
1732380
173300:22:04,823 --> 00:22:05,824
1734You're  skinny.
1735
1736381
173700:22:05,907 --> 00:22:06,783
1738No!
1739
1740382
174100:22:08,452 --> 00:22:11,163
1742[Fogel]  All the urine in my freezer,
1743we have to unfreeze it?
1744
1745383
174600:22:11,246 --> 00:22:13,665
1747[Rodchenkov]  Yes, we unfreeze,
1748then we homogenize
1749
1750384
175100:22:13,749 --> 00:22:15,751
1752to make sure everything is melted.
1753
1754385
175500:22:16,377 --> 00:22:20,339
1756I took special bottles
1757for smuggling urine, and...
1758
1759386
176000:22:21,047 --> 00:22:24,175
1761we will make a scenario
1762like I am collecting my urine.
1763
1764387
176500:22:24,259 --> 00:22:26,344
1766"Grigory one, morning."
1767
1768388
176900:22:26,428 --> 00:22:28,847
1770"Evening, 28th. Grigory two."
1771
1772389
177300:22:28,930 --> 00:22:31,057
1774Then we recode them.
1775
1776390
177700:22:32,267 --> 00:22:33,268
1778Perfect.
1779
1780391
178100:22:33,351 --> 00:22:35,437
1782Otherwise, what is the source
1783of the urine and why?
1784
1785392
178600:22:35,521 --> 00:22:36,522
1787Right.
1788
1789393
179000:22:36,605 --> 00:22:38,524
1791The goal during
1792this two- to three-week period
1793
1794394
179500:22:38,607 --> 00:22:42,235
1796is to push you to an extreme
1797on a chronic level, not just acute.
1798
1799395
180000:22:43,278 --> 00:22:44,613
1801-Okay, we--
1802-[Fogel] Max!
1803
1804396
180500:22:44,696 --> 00:22:46,156
1806He loves me.
1807
1808397
180900:22:46,239 --> 00:22:47,365
1810[Fogel] Yeah. Max--
1811
1812398
181300:22:47,449 --> 00:22:49,242
1814No, no, don't kick Max. It's okay.
1815
1816399
181700:22:49,325 --> 00:22:52,287
1818-Max, go away. Out.
1819-No, no, no.
1820
1821400
182200:22:53,163 --> 00:22:54,915
1823It's not good time.
1824
1825401
182600:22:54,998 --> 00:22:56,875
1827-[laughing]
1828-Later.
1829
1830402
183100:23:00,587 --> 00:23:04,925
1832[Stone] A fifteen-second acceleration
1833whenever you want. Good.
1834
1835403
183600:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,386
1837We need girls, cheerleaders.
1838
1839404
184000:23:08,470 --> 00:23:12,766
1841[Stone] Right? Exactly.
1842Maybe we should get you some pom-poms.
1843
1844405
184500:23:13,475 --> 00:23:14,851
1846-And like this...
1847-Right.
1848
1849406
185000:23:15,894 --> 00:23:20,607
1851[Rodchenkov]  I was working here in 1989,
1852when Catlin was in big power.
1853
1854407
185500:23:20,691 --> 00:23:24,027
1856Laboratory was located in UCLA.
1857The campus.
1858
1859408
186000:23:24,903 --> 00:23:28,615
1861[Catlin]  Twenty years ago,
1862we had decided to develop a way to get
1863
1864409
186500:23:28,699 --> 00:23:32,410
1866actually friendly
1867with what was then the Soviets.
1868
1869410
187000:23:32,494 --> 00:23:36,873
1871We, the US,
1872would invite Soviets to come to the US
1873
1874411
187500:23:36,957 --> 00:23:40,251
1876and pick and choose athletes
1877that they wanted to test,
1878
1879412
188000:23:40,335 --> 00:23:44,297
1881bring 'em in and test them
1882where the Soviets were watching.
1883
1884413
188500:23:44,798 --> 00:23:48,093
1886Grigory was the first representative.
1887
1888414
188900:23:49,094 --> 00:23:53,432
1890He shows up at the second day of work
1891in bright orange shorts
1892
1893415
189400:23:53,515 --> 00:23:58,812
1895and announces that he's gonna enter
1896the Santa Monica Marathon.
1897
1898416
189900:23:58,895 --> 00:24:00,897
1900And he won the darn thing.
1901
1902417
190300:24:02,023 --> 00:24:03,358
1904He's a good athlete.
1905
1906418
190700:24:04,651 --> 00:24:07,403
1908[Rodchenkov]  I was almost
1909a professional in running.
1910
1911419
191200:24:07,488 --> 00:24:11,533
19131,500 meters and five kilometers
1914at Moscow University.
1915
1916420
191700:24:12,242 --> 00:24:15,954
1918My mother always pushed me
1919to swim, to ski.
1920
1921421
192200:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,000
1923I realized that some people
1924are using something.
1925
1926422
192700:24:20,083 --> 00:24:24,004
1928Last year, he was nobody.
1929Next year, he has muscles.
1930
1931423
193200:24:24,671 --> 00:24:27,883
1933Of course, I also started
1934to use the best of the best,
1935
1936424
193700:24:28,467 --> 00:24:29,468
1938stanozolol.
1939
1940425
194100:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,346
1942And all injections were done by my mother.
1943
1944426
194500:24:33,930 --> 00:24:37,267
1946And, of course, it was 50 milligrams,
1947this simple thing.
1948
1949427
195000:24:37,350 --> 00:24:40,228
1951[Fogel] Wait, wait.
1952Your  mother  injected you?
1953
1954428
195500:24:41,021 --> 00:24:41,897
1956Yes, of course.
1957
1958429
195900:24:44,065 --> 00:24:47,736
1960But if you are not national team level,
1961like Olympic,
1962
1963430
196400:24:47,819 --> 00:24:50,614
1965you cannot afford any more training camp.
1966
1967431
196800:24:51,656 --> 00:24:55,327
1969So, I graduated to Moscow University,
1970to the chemical department.
1971
1972432
197300:24:56,411 --> 00:24:59,080
1974I liked doping control. I liked sports.
1975
1976433
197700:24:59,164 --> 00:25:04,377
1978And since 1985, I worked in the top field
1979of laboratories in the world.
1980
1981434
198200:25:06,212 --> 00:25:09,424
1983And then, Moscow laboratory
1984was doing mistake by mistake.
1985
1986435
198700:25:09,507 --> 00:25:12,803
1988"We need a new director,
1989and it will be upheld by WADA."
1990
1991436
199200:25:14,012 --> 00:25:15,806
1993That's how I became director.
1994
1995437
199600:25:22,395 --> 00:25:25,231
1997[Fogel] Should I be taking the HGH
1998and the testosterone now?
1999
2000438
200100:25:25,315 --> 00:25:26,733
2002[Rodchenkov] Let's look at your protocol.
2003
2004439
200500:25:27,568 --> 00:25:30,946
2006I have to sketch all schematics,
2007starting from the new year.
2008
2009440
201000:25:31,029 --> 00:25:32,823
2011-We'll sit down with a piece of paper.
2012-Yes.
2013
2014441
201500:25:32,906 --> 00:25:35,491
2016With the piss and then with the tubes.
2017
2018442
201900:25:36,117 --> 00:25:37,869
2020We take just a fraction.
2021
2022443
202300:25:38,369 --> 00:25:41,289
2024And then it will be coded
2025and took for analysis.
2026
2027444
202800:25:41,873 --> 00:25:45,001
2029So, here's day one. Okay?
2030Here's day two.
2031
2032445
203300:25:46,002 --> 00:25:48,463
2034Here's day three, day four, day five.
2035
2036446
203700:25:48,546 --> 00:25:50,465
2038[Rodchenkov] Seven, eight, nine.
2039
2040447
204100:25:51,633 --> 00:25:53,802
2042We have nine urines. Okay.
2043
2044448
204500:25:54,302 --> 00:25:56,763
2046-So we are starting--
2047-[Fogel] And that one, I just took.
2048
2049449
205000:25:56,847 --> 00:25:58,974
2051Is that enough? Or do I need any more?
2052
2053450
205400:25:59,057 --> 00:26:00,058
2055It's okay.
2056
2057451
205800:26:00,141 --> 00:26:01,142
2059[Fogel] Okay.
2060
2061452
206200:26:01,768 --> 00:26:04,646
2063-Three, three, three.
2064-I hear you got the real code.
2065
2066453
206700:26:04,730 --> 00:26:05,856
2068I am mafia.
2069
2070454
207100:26:06,982 --> 00:26:08,233
2072This is mafia.
2073
2074455
207500:26:08,316 --> 00:26:09,985
2076[laughing]
2077
2078456
207900:26:12,570 --> 00:26:13,697
2080Chased by WADA.
2081
2082457
208300:26:15,406 --> 00:26:19,535
2084Could you imagine, the best laboratory
2085will be puzzled with your piss?
2086
2087458
208800:26:20,328 --> 00:26:22,789
2089In Russia, the empire of evil.
2090
2091459
209200:26:23,456 --> 00:26:24,457
2093Propaganda.
2094
2095460
209600:26:25,041 --> 00:26:26,876
2097[mutters]
2098
2099461
210000:26:27,377 --> 00:26:29,379
2101-Fantastic.
2102-Oh, God. What is that?
2103
2104462
210500:26:29,462 --> 00:26:31,006
2106It's flakes. Your flakes.
2107
2108463
210900:26:31,089 --> 00:26:33,466
2110What is that? What is that?
2111
2112464
211300:26:34,175 --> 00:26:35,594
2114Your sins. [clicks tongue]
2115
2116465
211700:26:45,395 --> 00:26:46,730
2118And on the top.
2119
2120466
212100:27:03,288 --> 00:27:06,917
2122[Fogel] When I come to Moscow
2123in September, after the race, I can drink.
2124
2125467
212600:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,920
2127Okay, next time. Next time, if I survive.
2128
2129468
213000:27:14,758 --> 00:27:21,348
2131At my lab, WADA is keeping laboratory
2132on a very short leash. Leash?
2133
2134469
213500:27:21,431 --> 00:27:23,266
2136Asking many questions.
2137
2138470
213900:27:23,975 --> 00:27:25,560
2140All sort of bullshit.
2141
2142471
214300:27:26,602 --> 00:27:28,354
2144Like, "Where is your...
2145
2146472
214700:27:29,647 --> 00:27:32,984
2148underground laboratory for pre-testing?
2149
2150473
215100:27:33,068 --> 00:27:36,154
2152Where is the shadow laboratory?"
2153
2154474
215500:27:37,572 --> 00:27:40,867
2156Of course, my laboratory is fully under...
2157
2158475
215900:27:41,743 --> 00:27:45,121
2160cameras and everything,
2161computers, barcodes...
2162
2163476
216400:27:45,830 --> 00:27:47,666
2165But they were looking for something.
2166
2167477
216800:27:47,916 --> 00:27:50,794
2169-Like a secret lab?
2170-Yes, yes, yes, yes, underground.
2171
2172478
217300:27:50,877 --> 00:27:52,963
2174-Batman?
2175-Yes, yes.
2176
2177479
217800:27:53,671 --> 00:27:55,673
2179Who owns the lab?
2180
2181480
218200:27:57,175 --> 00:27:58,509
2183-The state.
2184-The state does?
2185
2186481
218700:27:58,593 --> 00:27:59,594
2188Yes.
2189
2190482
219100:28:00,178 --> 00:28:02,222
2192Okay, we have Terminal One,
2193departing flight.
2194
2195483
219600:28:02,931 --> 00:28:06,101
2197-[Fogel] Yeah.
2198-♪ I am a woman in love ♪
2199
2200484
220100:28:07,978 --> 00:28:08,979
2202[grunts]
2203
2204485
220500:28:10,814 --> 00:28:13,066
2206Keep it. It's my donation.
2207
2208486
220900:28:13,817 --> 00:28:15,276
2210-No, no, no!
2211-No, no, no.
2212
2213487
221400:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,486
2215I have a lot, you see.
2216
2217488
221800:28:16,569 --> 00:28:20,490
2219All people are presenting me with pens,
2220so I have full collection.
2221
2222489
222300:28:21,074 --> 00:28:22,826
2224-Remember me.
2225-I will.
2226
2227490
222800:28:22,909 --> 00:28:26,079
2229-So I'm gonna see you--
2230-So, so, so nice with you.
2231
2232491
223300:28:26,162 --> 00:28:27,748
2234-Grigory, thanks for coming.
2235-Yes.
2236
2237492
223800:28:27,831 --> 00:28:30,083
2239Be very careful
2240with what you are recording.
2241
2242493
224300:28:30,166 --> 00:28:33,378
2244It's not permitted.
2245It's like pornography and erotics.
2246
2247494
224800:28:34,295 --> 00:28:35,797
2249Sports pornography and erotics.
2250
2251495
225200:28:35,881 --> 00:28:38,216
2253-Now we are...
2254-[laughing]
2255
2256496
225700:28:38,299 --> 00:28:40,343
2258And I see you, uh, in September.
2259
2260497
226100:28:41,010 --> 00:28:42,262
2262[Rodchenkov] Yes, definitely.
2263
2264498
226500:28:47,559 --> 00:28:48,935
2266[Fogel]  Did you go to Moscow?
2267
2268499
226900:28:49,436 --> 00:28:51,354
2270No, I did not, and Dick Pound did not.
2271
2272500
227300:28:51,938 --> 00:28:57,485
2274We wanted to send an investigative group
2275of WADA specialists into the Moscow lab.
2276
2277501
227800:28:58,111 --> 00:29:01,740
2279The director of the lab,
2280he was the last fail-safe position, right?
2281
2282502
228300:29:01,823 --> 00:29:04,034
2284If there is a sample
2285that's potentially positive,
2286
2287503
228800:29:04,117 --> 00:29:06,077
2289where can you stop it from being reported?
2290
2291504
229200:29:06,161 --> 00:29:07,120
2293In the lab.
2294
2295505
229600:29:07,620 --> 00:29:11,249
2297So he was interviewed.
2298Didn't provide us with much information.
2299
2300506
230100:29:12,751 --> 00:29:16,504
2302[Fogel]  Please tell me all my frozen piss
2303didn't explode in your bag.
2304
2305507
230600:29:16,587 --> 00:29:17,713
2307[Rodchenkov laughs]
2308
2309508
231000:29:18,589 --> 00:29:20,258
2311But this is big secret.
2312
2313509
231400:29:20,926 --> 00:29:23,094
2315Bryan, I have all urines.
2316
2317510
231800:29:23,178 --> 00:29:25,596
2319We analyzed urines
2320for your steroid profile.
2321
2322511
232300:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,723
2324Everything is kept frozen.
2325
2326512
232700:29:27,808 --> 00:29:31,311
2328-I have a full agenda, so don't worry.
2329-Okay.
2330
2331513
233200:29:35,148 --> 00:29:38,443
2333[Rodchenkov]  We did preliminary tests,
2334but not much.
2335
2336514
233700:29:39,027 --> 00:29:40,904
2338When WADA will leave...
2339
2340515
234100:29:40,987 --> 00:29:43,073
2342They are leaving tomorrow night.
2343
2344516
234500:29:43,156 --> 00:29:45,992
2346Then maybe Friday,
2347or maybe Monday, anyway--
2348
2349517
235000:29:46,076 --> 00:29:48,203
2351[Fogel]  WADA's there bothering you?
2352
2353518
235400:29:48,286 --> 00:29:49,913
2355[Rodchenkov]  It's much more challenging.
2356
2357519
235800:29:49,996 --> 00:29:52,999
2359WADA is sniffing
2360and asking tons of questions.
2361
2362520
236300:29:53,583 --> 00:29:55,627
2364-Dick Pound... You know, Dick Pound?
2365-Yes
2366
2367521
236800:29:55,710 --> 00:29:59,630
2369He's starting to understand
2370it's very difficult to prove something.
2371
2372522
237300:29:59,714 --> 00:30:02,633
2374What do you see the outcome
2375or the solution as?
2376
2377523
237800:30:03,218 --> 00:30:04,427
2379We will see.
2380
2381524
238200:30:04,970 --> 00:30:06,972
2383You just focus on racing.
2384
2385525
238600:30:13,603 --> 00:30:15,981
2387Keep digging, keep digging.
2388Keep digging, come on.
2389
2390526
239100:30:16,064 --> 00:30:18,900
2392Come on, you got it.
2393Come on. Four, two, one.
2394
2395527
239600:30:18,984 --> 00:30:20,318
2397Taking it down. Taking it down.
2398
2399528
240000:30:21,652 --> 00:30:23,613
2401This is already better than last time.
2402
2403529
240400:30:25,866 --> 00:30:31,037
2405Last year, 250 watts. This year, 349.
2406It's 100 watts.
2407
2408530
240900:30:31,830 --> 00:30:36,376
2410[Fogel]  My power right now is 20% more
2411than I had last year.
2412
2413531
241400:30:36,459 --> 00:30:40,505
2415Yes, yes, finally you have some gains.
2416Some gain, some progression.
2417
2418532
241900:30:40,588 --> 00:30:42,340
2420I can't wait to come to Moscow.
2421
2422533
242300:30:42,423 --> 00:30:44,384
2424Bryan, it will be fantastic.
2425
2426534
242700:30:45,635 --> 00:30:48,888
2428[Fogel]  I shouldn't bring any EPO with me
2429to Europe, right?
2430
2431535
243200:30:48,972 --> 00:30:50,265
2433-[Rodchenkov]  No.
2434-[Fogel]  Okay.
2435
2436536
243700:30:50,348 --> 00:30:53,101
2438[Rodchenkov]  You complete everything
2439until 17th.
2440
2441537
244200:30:53,184 --> 00:30:55,895
2443-The last injection is on US soil.
2444-Okay.
2445
2446538
244700:30:55,979 --> 00:30:58,231
2448[Rodchenkov]  Before passing the border
2449and the customs.
2450
2451539
245200:30:58,314 --> 00:31:00,566
2453Then you're taking urine with you to me,
2454
2455540
245600:31:00,650 --> 00:31:02,903
2457and we'll complete
2458your biological passport.
2459
2460541
246100:31:03,528 --> 00:31:04,737
2462That's it.
2463
2464542
246500:31:07,198 --> 00:31:10,076
2466[woman]  Words cannot describe
2467what you'll be living through this week.
2468
2469543
247000:31:10,159 --> 00:31:13,288
2471Your body's gonna shut down.
2472It's gonna break down entirely.
2473
2474544
247500:31:15,331 --> 00:31:17,833
2476[man]  We are on
2477the French Cycling Federation calendar,
2478
2479545
248000:31:17,918 --> 00:31:20,253
2481and we do have an anti-doping policy.
2482
2483546
248400:31:20,336 --> 00:31:24,174
2485[Fogel]  As far as testing for PEDs,
2486the race says that they do.
2487
2488547
248900:31:24,257 --> 00:31:26,509
2490They may come and test,
2491just so you're aware.
2492
2493548
249400:31:26,593 --> 00:31:29,470
2495[Fogel]  As I came to learn, they don't.
2496
2497549
249800:31:30,221 --> 00:31:32,849
2499-[Rodchenkov]  Don't worry.
2500-[Fogel]  But I had Grigory.
2501
2502550
250300:31:33,808 --> 00:31:35,435
2504He had helped me dope,
2505
2506551
250700:31:35,518 --> 00:31:40,690
2508and he was gonna test my samples
2509through his WADA lab in Moscow.
2510
2511552
251200:31:40,773 --> 00:31:42,483
2513[Rodchenkov]  So, be clever.
2514
2515553
251600:31:42,567 --> 00:31:46,321
2517I have not done a urine sample
2518since I've been here.
2519
2520554
252100:31:46,988 --> 00:31:48,489
2522You are like a pioneer.
2523
2524555
252500:31:49,490 --> 00:31:51,910
2526[Fogel] So I'm gonna pee
2527in this little bag here.
2528
2529556
253000:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,162
2531[Rodchenkov]  You are a victim
2532of your ideas.
2533
2534557
253500:31:55,621 --> 00:31:58,458
2536August 21st.
2537
2538558
253900:31:58,541 --> 00:32:01,753
2540See you at the end.
2541And good luck tomorrow.
2542
2543559
254400:32:02,670 --> 00:32:04,714
2545[announcer] Start time tomorrow morning,
25467:15.
2547
2548560
254900:32:04,797 --> 00:32:07,008
2550-[Fogel] Right here.
2551-[Rodchenkov]  I am like a priest.
2552
2553561
255400:32:08,384 --> 00:32:10,595
2555I am healing your doping paranoia.
2556
2557562
255800:32:13,598 --> 00:32:16,643
2559You are free. You have enough power,
2560and God is with you.
2561
2562563
256300:32:18,436 --> 00:32:20,146
2564You are sentenced to win.
2565
2566564
256700:32:21,897 --> 00:32:25,068
2568[Fogel]  So the scheme was now in place.
2569
2570565
257100:32:28,071 --> 00:32:29,655
2572[announcer] Raise your arms!
2573
2574566
257500:32:29,739 --> 00:32:32,575
2576Are you ready?
2577
2578567
257900:32:33,701 --> 00:32:34,953
2580Start!
2581
2582568
258300:32:55,556 --> 00:32:56,932
2584Ninety, ninety. That's it.
2585
2586569
258700:33:06,317 --> 00:33:09,153
2588-[announcer] Pouly!
2589-[crowd cheering]
2590
2591570
259200:33:11,531 --> 00:33:12,991
2593[indistinct shouting]
2594
2595571
259600:33:17,162 --> 00:33:18,288
2597[Stone]  You did great.
2598
2599572
260000:33:18,371 --> 00:33:19,998
2601You were three and a half minutes
2602behind Pouly.
2603
2604573
260500:33:20,081 --> 00:33:22,125
2606-[Fogel] That's not bad.
2607-No, that's fucking great.
2608
2609574
261000:33:22,708 --> 00:33:24,710
2611You guys were hauling ass.
2612
2613575
261400:33:35,513 --> 00:33:39,309
2615Bryan's in that group data.
2616He's in there with the top ten guys.
2617
2618576
261900:33:40,601 --> 00:33:43,313
2620[Fogel]  All the guys in the top ten
2621are incredible.
2622
2623577
262400:33:43,396 --> 00:33:44,647
2625[Rodchenkov]  Very good.
2626
2627578
262800:33:44,730 --> 00:33:46,066
2629[Fogel]  They could be pro.
2630
2631579
263200:33:48,192 --> 00:33:49,986
2633[Rodchenkov]  You are a monster.  [laughs]
2634
2635580
263600:33:50,486 --> 00:33:52,280
2637Medium-sized monster.
2638
2639581
264000:33:58,453 --> 00:34:00,205
2641[Stone]  Bryan Fogel, can you hear me?
2642
2643582
264400:34:03,583 --> 00:34:07,378
2645Can't raise him on the walkie-talkie.
2646Bryan, come back.
2647
2648583
264900:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,967
2650-[Stone] Bryan!
2651-Yeah?
2652
2653584
265400:34:13,259 --> 00:34:14,552
2655[Stone speaking indistinctly]
2656
2657585
265800:34:15,178 --> 00:34:16,512
2659[Stone] It has to be charged.
2660
2661586
266200:34:17,722 --> 00:34:19,974
2663The battery's dead.
2664It needed to be charged.
2665
2666587
266700:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,894
2668Now it won't go up. You see?
2669Dead. It's totally dead.
2670
2671588
267200:34:25,730 --> 00:34:26,856
2673[Fogel] Fuck!
2674
2675589
267600:34:28,608 --> 00:34:31,778
2677[Fogel]  My derailleur, my shifting,
2678it broke.
2679
2680590
268100:34:32,445 --> 00:34:33,404
2682-[Rodchenkov]  Your bike?
2683-Yes.
2684
2685591
268600:34:35,698 --> 00:34:38,368
2687[Rodchenkov]  You cannot shift your gears?
2688
2689592
269000:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,703
2691[Fogel]  For 100 kilometers.
2692
2693593
269400:34:42,538 --> 00:34:43,748
2695[Rodchenkov]  My goodness.
2696
2697594
269800:34:46,084 --> 00:34:49,754
2699-I dropped ten places in the rankings.
2700-Okay. Hmm.
2701
2702595
270300:34:51,506 --> 00:34:52,507
2704My God.
2705
2706596
270700:34:54,300 --> 00:34:57,762
2708[Fogel]  I feel
2709that I'm really stronger this year.
2710
2711597
271200:34:57,845 --> 00:35:00,265
2713-Like, that I'm recovering.
2714-[Brandt]  Yeah.
2715
2716598
271700:35:00,348 --> 00:35:03,058
2718[Fogel]  I mean, I'm hauling ass,
2719but they're...
2720
2721599
272200:35:03,143 --> 00:35:05,603
2723I'm not beating 'em.
2724They're in a different--
2725
2726600
272700:35:05,686 --> 00:35:09,857
2728There's guys that I don't know
2729that you could've beat on your best day.
2730
2731601
273200:35:15,196 --> 00:35:17,406
2733[Fogel]  My whole plan was
2734
2735602
273600:35:17,490 --> 00:35:21,119
2737to have a substantially
2738better performance this year.
2739
2740603
274100:35:22,412 --> 00:35:23,579
2742And...
2743
2744604
274500:35:24,955 --> 00:35:25,998
2746I'm not.
2747
2748605
274900:35:27,333 --> 00:35:29,377
2750[Stone] Did you just get separated
2751or what?
2752
2753606
275400:35:29,460 --> 00:35:30,753
2755Neutral descent now?
2756
2757607
275800:35:32,046 --> 00:35:35,383
2759[man]  Does it hurt that you did
2760better last year than you did this year?
2761
2762608
276300:35:37,593 --> 00:35:41,013
2764I mean, I could have been 21 years old
2765
2766609
276700:35:41,096 --> 00:35:43,933
2768and taken all the blood bags
2769and EPO in the world,
2770
2771610
277200:35:44,016 --> 00:35:47,687
2773and I was still not going to be
2774a Tour de France champion.
2775
2776611
277700:35:47,770 --> 00:35:49,689
2778It doesn't matter.
2779
2780612
278100:35:54,109 --> 00:35:56,279
2782[Rodchenkov]  Just stay optimistic.
2783
2784613
278500:35:57,530 --> 00:36:00,325
2786Because now, we can change nothing.
2787
2788614
278900:36:06,831 --> 00:36:10,042
2790[announcer]  The winner, Peter Pouly.
2791
2792615
279300:36:10,125 --> 00:36:11,126
2794[crowd applauds]
2795
2796616
279700:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,632
2798-[Fogel]  I felt pretty good. I just had--
2799-[Rodchenkov]  No, no, no.
2800
2801617
280200:36:16,716 --> 00:36:18,384
2803[Fogel]  I've just had some bad luck days.
2804
2805618
280600:36:18,467 --> 00:36:19,760
2807[Rodchenkov]  Bryan, look at me.
2808
2809619
281000:36:21,262 --> 00:36:22,430
2811Stop it.
2812
2813620
281400:36:23,764 --> 00:36:25,850
2815You are what you are. I am what I am.
2816
2817621
281800:36:28,644 --> 00:36:30,897
2819It's a turning point, what we are doing.
2820
2821622
282200:36:32,523 --> 00:36:36,236
2823You should be happy
2824that we have such fantastic material.
2825
2826623
282700:36:36,819 --> 00:36:42,658
2828We have ten times more information
2829than Dick Pound and Armstrong together.
2830
2831624
283200:36:43,284 --> 00:36:45,203
2833-[Fogel]  Really?
2834-We will continue. Don't worry.
2835
2836625
283700:36:45,286 --> 00:36:49,249
2838You are just like in the reception.
2839You did not enter the first floor.
2840
2841626
284200:36:49,332 --> 00:36:51,459
2843Then there is a second and so on.
2844
2845627
284600:36:52,543 --> 00:36:54,420
2847[Fogel]  What's on the second floor?
2848
2849628
285000:36:54,921 --> 00:36:57,131
2851[Rodchenkov]  When you go to Moscow,
2852you will see.
2853
2854629
285500:37:12,062 --> 00:37:13,606
2856[Fogel]  So cool.
2857
2858630
285900:37:14,274 --> 00:37:17,277
2860How many tests...
2861I've probably had 15 or 20 blood tests.
2862
2863631
286400:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,445
2865-[Rodchenkov] It's more than enough.
2866-Okay.
2867
2868632
286900:37:20,446 --> 00:37:22,531
2870-[Fogel] Is this the laboratory?
2871-Yes.
2872
2873633
287400:37:23,616 --> 00:37:26,035
2875Oh, you see, this is bloody RUSADA.
2876
2877634
287800:37:26,118 --> 00:37:30,498
2879Bringing samples, it's not too good
2880to show our camera to them.
2881
2882635
288300:37:30,581 --> 00:37:33,251
2884-[Fogel] Oh. You want us to hide?
2885-Yes, yes, yes.
2886
2887636
288800:37:33,334 --> 00:37:34,585
2889[Fogel] Okay.
2890
2891637
289200:37:34,669 --> 00:37:36,879
2893Be very careful with all your material.
2894
2895638
289600:37:36,963 --> 00:37:39,590
2897-People are very sensitive also, you know.
2898-[Fogel] Yes.
2899
2900639
290100:37:41,133 --> 00:37:43,303
2902This is my director place.
2903
2904640
290500:37:43,928 --> 00:37:46,514
2906It's the most famous laboratory
2907in the world.
2908
2909641
291000:37:49,267 --> 00:37:53,479
2911We cannot say explicitly
2912that you have been analyzed.
2913
2914642
291500:37:53,563 --> 00:37:56,857
2916It's coming.
2917I already solved everything yesterday.
2918
2919643
292000:37:56,941 --> 00:38:01,195
2921You will have it until, let's say...
2922Within two weeks, we will do this.
2923
2924644
292500:38:01,279 --> 00:38:04,574
2926But it should be done still,
2927say, under the table, not...
2928
2929645
293000:38:05,074 --> 00:38:06,867
2931-[Fogel] Okay.
2932-Okay. [clears throat]
2933
2934646
293500:38:07,827 --> 00:38:12,290
2936[Rodchenkov] Smile. Your race is over.
2937We have to go downstairs.
2938
2939647
294000:38:16,877 --> 00:38:18,838
2941[Fogel]  Are there scientists,
2942
2943648
294400:38:18,921 --> 00:38:22,007
2945or those working
2946in WADA laboratories today,
2947
2948649
294900:38:22,091 --> 00:38:25,345
2950that you suspect
2951could have been corrupted?
2952
2953650
295400:38:25,428 --> 00:38:27,388
2955[Rodchenkov]  Each director of laboratory,
2956like me...
2957
2958651
295900:38:27,472 --> 00:38:29,515
2960I have to sign a code of ethics,
2961
2962652
296300:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,435
2964that what we are doing
2965is not harmful or detrimental
2966
2967653
296800:38:32,518 --> 00:38:34,854
2969to the whole anti-doping society.
2970
2971654
297200:38:38,107 --> 00:38:42,027
2973We go down this emergency exit.
2974
2975655
297600:38:49,243 --> 00:38:51,161
2977[Fogel]  What did Russia have to do
2978
2979656
298000:38:51,245 --> 00:38:56,041
2981with the hiding blood passports
2982of all the athletes?
2983
2984657
298500:38:56,125 --> 00:38:58,043
2986[Rodchenkov] Let's talk in my office.
2987
2988658
298900:39:01,047 --> 00:39:04,967
2990If you hide fight against doping,
2991you cannot be 50% honest.
2992
2993659
299400:39:05,051 --> 00:39:09,013
2995You have to be honest,
2996or you have to hide the ends.
2997
2998660
299900:39:09,096 --> 00:39:11,807
3000It's the same as Orwell,  1984.
3001
3002661
300300:39:12,391 --> 00:39:15,102
3004WADA is like a religion,
3005and you cannot escape.
3006
3007662
300800:39:15,686 --> 00:39:18,981
3009You have to think about money,
3010but you cannot steal money.
3011
3012663
301300:39:19,064 --> 00:39:21,233
3014You have to think about women,
3015
3016664
301700:39:21,316 --> 00:39:24,194
3018but you have to be married
3019and don't go to prostitution.
3020
3021665
302200:39:24,278 --> 00:39:25,279
3023But again...
3024
3025666
302600:39:25,988 --> 00:39:30,200
3027almost everybody has some period
3028when they were sinners.
3029
3030667
303100:39:30,284 --> 00:39:31,369
3032So what to do?
3033
3034668
303500:39:32,036 --> 00:39:33,413
3036There is no answer.
3037
3038669
303900:39:35,330 --> 00:39:39,919
3040[Fogel]  For the last five months,
3041I took urine and then I did blood--
3042
3043670
304400:39:40,002 --> 00:39:41,796
3045[Rodchenkov]  Yes, we have a good database.
3046
3047671
304800:39:43,130 --> 00:39:47,718
3049How do we go about the analysis?
3050What do we wanna show?
3051
3052672
305300:39:47,802 --> 00:39:51,180
3054How do we put together
3055
3056673
305700:39:51,263 --> 00:39:54,183
3058-the bigger story arc?
3059-Bryan, be optimistic.
3060
3061674
306200:39:54,266 --> 00:39:56,101
3063-[chuckles]
3064-Smile.
3065
3066675
306700:39:57,937 --> 00:39:59,313
3068I have vodka for you.
3069
3070676
307100:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,482
3072-You do?
3073-Yes.
3074
3075677
307600:40:02,066 --> 00:40:04,359
3077-The best vodka.
3078-What kind?
3079
3080678
308100:40:04,444 --> 00:40:05,778
3082From Mordovia.
3083
3084679
308500:40:05,861 --> 00:40:07,321
3086-Oh, awesome!
3087-You do drink vodka?
3088
3089680
309000:40:07,405 --> 00:40:10,282
3091-Yeah, I like vodka.
3092-You like-- I have vodka for you.
3093
3094681
309500:40:10,365 --> 00:40:14,203
3096I've decided I'm not gonna leave Russia.
3097I'm gonna stay here.
3098
3099682
310000:40:14,286 --> 00:40:15,663
3101You would like to stay?
3102
3103683
310400:40:15,746 --> 00:40:19,709
3105Russia is the most relaxing country
3106in the world.
3107
3108684
310900:40:19,792 --> 00:40:20,918
3110You think?
3111
3112685
311300:40:21,001 --> 00:40:23,504
3114-No.
3115-[both laughing]
3116
3117686
311800:40:31,596 --> 00:40:32,763
3119[Fogel] You having fun?
3120
3121687
312200:40:33,681 --> 00:40:34,682
3123Yes, we have fun!
3124
3125688
312600:40:35,683 --> 00:40:36,684
3127Smile.
3128
3129689
313000:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,105
3131[speaking Russian]
3132
3133690
313400:40:43,691 --> 00:40:44,692
3135Bryan!
3136
3137691
313800:40:44,775 --> 00:40:46,444
3139[singing in Russian]
3140
3141692
314200:40:56,579 --> 00:40:58,163
3143[indistinct chatter]
3144
3145693
314600:41:15,180 --> 00:41:19,393
3147[man]  Ladies and gentlemen,
3148members of the media, welcome to Geneva.
3149
3150694
315100:41:20,185 --> 00:41:23,272
3152Almost a year ago,
3153very serious doping allegations
3154
3155695
315600:41:23,355 --> 00:41:26,484
3157were first raised
3158on German television channel ARD.
3159
3160696
316100:41:27,234 --> 00:41:29,403
3162The WADA president, Sir Craig Reedie,
3163
3164697
316500:41:29,487 --> 00:41:32,948
3166announced that a full and thorough inquiry
3167would be conducted.
3168
3169698
317000:41:33,699 --> 00:41:36,911
3171The founding president
3172of the World Anti-Doping Agency,
3173
3174699
317500:41:36,994 --> 00:41:39,664
3176Mr. Dick Pound,
3177the chair of that commission.
3178
3179700
318000:41:41,373 --> 00:41:46,921
3181Overwhelming portions of the allegations
3182made on the ARD program
3183
3184701
318500:41:47,004 --> 00:41:51,133
3186have been found
3187by the Independent Commission to be true.
3188
3189702
319000:41:51,217 --> 00:41:54,136
3191It's worse than we thought.
3192We have found cover-ups.
3193
3194703
319500:41:54,220 --> 00:41:57,431
3196We found destruction
3197of samples in the laboratories.
3198
3199704
320000:41:58,348 --> 00:42:03,187
3201We found payments of money
3202in order to conceal doping tests...
3203
3204705
320500:42:04,271 --> 00:42:05,272
3206among others.
3207
3208706
320900:42:05,981 --> 00:42:09,735
3210Our conclusion was that all
3211of this could not have happened,
3212
3213707
321400:42:09,818 --> 00:42:12,404
3215and continue to happen,
3216without the knowledge of
3217
3218708
321900:42:12,488 --> 00:42:17,159
3220and either actual or implied consent
3221of the state authorities.
3222
3223709
322400:42:17,243 --> 00:42:18,494
3225[Fogel] You reading this?
3226
3227710
322800:42:18,994 --> 00:42:22,206
3229Forty pages of this report is Grigory.
3230
3231711
323200:42:22,998 --> 00:42:25,417
3233It's hard to imagine
3234
3235712
323600:42:25,500 --> 00:42:29,964
3237what the Russian state interest
3238in athletes' urine would be.
3239
3240713
324100:42:30,047 --> 00:42:35,219
3242One of our big concerns about tests
3243were the 1,400 that were destroyed
3244
3245714
324600:42:35,302 --> 00:42:37,930
3247by the director of the Moscow laboratory.
3248
3249715
325000:42:38,597 --> 00:42:42,142
3251In fact, our recommendation
3252is the director of the laboratory
3253
3254716
325500:42:42,226 --> 00:42:46,521
3256be removed from his position,
3257that the WADA accreditation be withdrawn,
3258
3259717
326000:42:46,606 --> 00:42:48,941
3261and the Russian Federation be suspended.
3262
3263718
326400:42:50,526 --> 00:42:51,860
3265[line ringing]
3266
3267719
326800:42:53,278 --> 00:42:55,114
3269-[Veronika]  Bryan, hi.
3270-[Fogel] Hi.
3271
3272720
327300:42:57,074 --> 00:42:58,283
3274Where did Grigory go?
3275
3276721
327700:42:58,367 --> 00:42:59,534
3278I've been crying.
3279
3280722
328100:43:00,244 --> 00:43:01,704
3282Yes, I am with him,
3283
3284723
328500:43:01,787 --> 00:43:04,289
3286and I think maybe you want
3287to speak with him.
3288
3289724
329000:43:04,373 --> 00:43:06,166
3291Maybe he's a little bit nervous.
3292
3293725
329400:43:07,918 --> 00:43:09,670
3295-I'm so sorry.
3296-[Rodchenkov]  Bryan.
3297
3298726
329900:43:09,754 --> 00:43:14,049
3300I'm not-- I'm sorry. I'm trying
3301to understand what you're saying.
3302
3303727
330400:43:14,133 --> 00:43:18,428
3305[Rodchenkov]  I'm absolutely saying
3306that we will overturn all this bullshit,
3307
3308728
330900:43:18,512 --> 00:43:20,430
3310and it will be upside down.
3311
3312729
331300:43:20,514 --> 00:43:23,267
3314So, Bryan,
3315I hardly could talk to you tonight.
3316
3317730
331800:43:23,350 --> 00:43:24,476
3319[line disconnects]
3320
3321731
332200:43:25,394 --> 00:43:26,687
3323[woman]  The details are damning
3324
3325732
332600:43:26,771 --> 00:43:29,899
3327and could have a profound impact
3328on the future of Russian athletics.
3329
3330733
333100:43:29,982 --> 00:43:32,902
3332[man]  This WADA commission
3333has accused Russian athletics
3334
3335734
333600:43:32,985 --> 00:43:35,279
3337of state-sponsored doping.
3338
3339735
334000:43:39,408 --> 00:43:45,289
3341[in Russian] We are preparing our response
3342to again provide any explanation needed.
3343
3344736
334500:43:45,372 --> 00:43:48,042
3346That's all I can say at this point.
3347
3348737
334900:43:48,709 --> 00:43:52,379
3350Does this mean they could potentially miss
3351next year's Olympics?
3352
3353738
335400:43:52,462 --> 00:43:55,174
3355Well, that is certainly
3356one of the potential outcomes here.
3357
3358739
335900:43:55,257 --> 00:43:58,803
3360[man]  The International Olympic Committee
3361have released a statement.
3362
3363740
336400:43:58,886 --> 00:44:03,015
3365You will see athletes
3366being sanctioned by the IAAF.
3367
3368741
336900:44:03,098 --> 00:44:07,477
3370You will see athletes
3371and officials being excluded.
3372
3373742
337400:44:07,561 --> 00:44:11,816
3375And you will see an action led by the IOC.
3376
3377743
337800:44:11,899 --> 00:44:14,902
3379We'll apply this zero-tolerance policy.
3380
3381744
338200:44:15,569 --> 00:44:18,030
3383[man]  Decision time for the IAAF
3384
3385745
338600:44:18,113 --> 00:44:20,407
3387on whether Russia's
3388track and field athletes
3389
3390746
339100:44:20,490 --> 00:44:23,327
3392will be allowed
3393to compete at the Rio Olympics.
3394
3395747
339600:44:23,828 --> 00:44:27,081
3397I want to hear
3398what the Athletics Federation of Russia
3399
3400748
340100:44:27,164 --> 00:44:29,583
3402is actually saying
3403in answer to those allegations.
3404
3405749
340600:44:29,667 --> 00:44:32,753
3407[man]  The Sports Minister,
3408Vitaly Mutko, has said,
3409
3410750
341100:44:32,837 --> 00:44:36,924
3412"Russia took all the necessary measures,"
3413he says, "to fight the doping problem.
3414
3415751
341600:44:37,007 --> 00:44:38,759
3417Moscow's anti-doping lab
3418
3419752
342000:44:38,843 --> 00:44:41,887
3421was recently recognized
3422as one of the best in the world."
3423
3424753
342500:44:44,598 --> 00:44:46,141
3426You don't want to talk to us?
3427
3428754
342900:44:46,225 --> 00:44:50,771
3430Well, the employees at this lab
3431are clearly being very tight-lipped,
3432
3433755
343400:44:50,855 --> 00:44:54,608
3435but the report
3436from the World Anti-Doping Agency
3437
3438756
343900:44:54,691 --> 00:44:56,235
3440goes into great detail
3441
3442757
344300:44:56,318 --> 00:44:59,654
3444describing the alleged activities
3445inside that building.
3446
3447758
344800:45:00,865 --> 00:45:02,867
3449[Rodchenkov]  There are around
345050 correspondents
3451
3452759
345300:45:02,950 --> 00:45:05,786
3454behind my fence, but I am here.
3455
3456760
345700:45:05,870 --> 00:45:07,662
3458And I am not supposed to talk.
3459
3460761
346100:45:09,039 --> 00:45:10,415
3462Bryan, stay quiet.
3463
3464762
346500:45:10,958 --> 00:45:14,754
3466You're a lucky man.
3467Only you, knowing me.
3468
3469763
347000:45:15,462 --> 00:45:16,463
3471[Skype call ends]
3472
3473764
347400:45:17,547 --> 00:45:18,799
3475Holy shit.
3476
3477765
347800:45:20,008 --> 00:45:26,557
3479The World Anti-Doping Agency suspended
3480Russia's sports drug-testing lab,
3481
3482766
348300:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,725
3484and the head of the lab resigned.
3485
3486767
348700:45:35,274 --> 00:45:37,943
3488[Veronika in Russian]  Grisha,
3489be careful what you tell him now.
3490
3491768
349200:45:38,027 --> 00:45:40,029
3493[Rodchenkov]  Don't tell me. I am just--
3494
3495769
349600:45:40,112 --> 00:45:42,197
3497[Veronika]  They're holding
3498on the phone for you.
3499
3500770
350100:45:42,281 --> 00:45:45,200
3502-[Rodchenkov]  Tell them I'll call back--
3503-[Veronika]  It sounds serious.
3504
3505771
350600:45:45,284 --> 00:45:47,119
3507[Rodchenkov]
3508I'll call back in five minutes!
3509
3510772
351100:45:47,870 --> 00:45:51,123
3512-[Veronika]  Okay, but will you?
3513-[Rodchenkov]  Yes, go away!
3514
3515773
351600:45:51,832 --> 00:45:52,833
3517[Veronika]  Fine.
3518
3519774
352000:45:53,333 --> 00:45:54,376
3521[Rodchenkov]  Bryan...
3522
3523775
352400:45:55,419 --> 00:45:56,921
3525[in English]  It's a disaster.
3526
3527776
352800:45:57,004 --> 00:45:58,505
3529They're just killing people.
3530
3531777
353200:45:58,588 --> 00:46:01,383
3533Cutting heads, you know,
3534without who is guilty.
3535
3536778
353700:46:01,466 --> 00:46:04,219
3538Yesterday, you know,
3539I went to Minister Mutko,
3540
3541779
354200:46:04,303 --> 00:46:06,138
3543and we started to discuss.
3544
3545780
354600:46:06,221 --> 00:46:09,349
3547He was talking,
3548blah, blah, blah, about football.
3549
3550781
355100:46:09,433 --> 00:46:12,269
3552Uh, blah, blah, blah, about Formula 1.
3553
3554782
355500:46:13,187 --> 00:46:15,815
3556Then to say what to do with bloody doping.
3557
3558783
355900:46:15,898 --> 00:46:18,901
3560But he say, "Could you resign?"
3561I go, "Yes."
3562
3563784
356400:46:19,776 --> 00:46:22,321
3565"Today?" "Yes, today."
3566
3567785
356800:46:23,113 --> 00:46:24,198
3569And I resigned.
3570
3571786
357200:46:25,240 --> 00:46:26,241
3573And...
3574
3575787
357600:46:27,076 --> 00:46:28,618
3577they lost director.
3578
3579788
358000:46:28,702 --> 00:46:31,830
3581I have a lot of calls,
3582but I'm just changing my telephones.
3583
3584789
358500:46:31,914 --> 00:46:37,294
3586People are looking for their job,
3587but laboratory is almost empty.
3588
3589790
359000:46:37,377 --> 00:46:38,212
3591Empty.
3592
3593791
359400:46:38,838 --> 00:46:41,173
3595I don't know what's going on.
3596
3597792
359800:46:41,256 --> 00:46:44,510
3599I just know what I'm reading
3600in the newspaper and in the press and...
3601
3602793
360300:46:44,593 --> 00:46:45,719
3604You know.
3605
3606794
360700:46:45,802 --> 00:46:47,179
3608Oh, really? Really?
3609
3610795
361100:46:47,888 --> 00:46:50,807
3612I mean, will they come after you?
3613
3614796
361500:46:50,891 --> 00:46:53,185
3616Are they gonna arrest you?
3617Are they gonna...
3618
3619797
362000:46:53,685 --> 00:46:55,770
3621Would they try to put you in jail?
3622
3623798
362400:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,898
3625In jail? No.
3626
3627799
362800:46:57,982 --> 00:46:59,566
3629What is the reason for jail?
3630
3631800
363200:46:59,649 --> 00:47:00,567
3633-You know.
3634-No.
3635
3636801
363700:47:00,650 --> 00:47:02,527
3638Are you in any danger?
3639
3640802
364100:47:04,363 --> 00:47:08,242
3642Yes, but not jail.
3643It could be some... I don't know.
3644
3645803
364600:47:10,202 --> 00:47:12,371
3647-I mean--
3648-Do you know that I am now moving
3649
3650804
365100:47:12,454 --> 00:47:13,914
3652with a security man?
3653
3654805
365500:47:13,998 --> 00:47:15,249
3656Security guard.
3657
3658806
365900:47:15,332 --> 00:47:16,208
3660No.
3661
3662807
366300:47:16,833 --> 00:47:19,003
3664Just a security guard in my home.
3665
3666808
366700:47:19,086 --> 00:47:20,921
3668-In your home?
3669-Coming to my car.
3670
3671809
367200:47:21,005 --> 00:47:22,297
3673I'm following behind.
3674
3675810
367600:47:23,257 --> 00:47:25,634
3677It's recommended
3678until the end of the week,
3679
3680811
368100:47:25,717 --> 00:47:28,470
3682because I am the only man
3683who can kill both sides.
3684
3685812
368600:47:28,553 --> 00:47:29,930
3687Russia and WADA, so...
3688
3689813
369000:47:30,014 --> 00:47:31,765
3691Stay quiet.
3692
3693814
369400:47:33,225 --> 00:47:34,894
3695[Vitaly Mutko in Russian]  Let me say this.
3696
3697815
369800:47:34,977 --> 00:47:39,023
3699In reality,
3700the Independent Commission's report
3701
3702816
370300:47:39,106 --> 00:47:42,943
3704and statements made by Mr. Pound
3705are exaggerated.
3706
3707817
370800:47:43,027 --> 00:47:46,196
3709We've even built a modern,
3710state-of-the-art anti-doping laboratory
3711
3712818
371300:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,616
3714that is renowned for its testing
3715
3716819
371700:47:49,699 --> 00:47:54,746
3718for the Olympics, Paralympics,
3719championships and more,
3720
3721820
372200:47:54,829 --> 00:47:57,666
3723and received the highest merits
3724for its contributions.
3725
3726821
372700:47:57,749 --> 00:48:00,460
3728The government is merely financing
3729the laboratory operation.
3730
3731822
373200:48:00,544 --> 00:48:03,672
3733[Rodchenkov in English]  They don't accept
3734this Independent Commission at all.
3735
3736823
373700:48:05,007 --> 00:48:06,550
3738They're deliberately lying.
3739
3740824
374100:48:07,384 --> 00:48:08,510
3742Bryan, Bryan...
3743
3744825
374500:48:09,177 --> 00:48:10,637
3746-look at me.
3747-[Fogel] Okay.
3748
3749826
375000:48:11,388 --> 00:48:15,142
3751[Rodchenkov]  It means I could be tossed
3752under the bus anytime.
3753
3754827
375500:48:15,935 --> 00:48:18,895
3756I'm not sure
3757that we are connecting freely.
3758
3759828
376000:48:18,979 --> 00:48:21,773
3761Because now we are on radar,
3762that's for sure.
3763
3764829
376500:48:23,358 --> 00:48:24,401
3766You know Snowden?
3767
3768830
376900:48:25,069 --> 00:48:26,111
3770Yeah, of course.
3771
3772831
377300:48:26,861 --> 00:48:29,364
3774Now you see.  [clicks tongue]
3775
3776832
377700:48:30,532 --> 00:48:32,742
3778We still don't know...
3779We still don't know
3780
3781833
378200:48:32,826 --> 00:48:36,080
3783whether Russia is participating
3784in Olympic Games or not.
3785
3786834
378700:48:36,580 --> 00:48:41,084
3788The outcome, why I am very much
3789cautious about my life...
3790
3791835
379200:48:41,918 --> 00:48:45,547
3793If me will be purged...
3794
3795836
379600:48:46,256 --> 00:48:48,175
3797okay, Russia will go to the Olympics.
3798
3799837
380000:48:48,717 --> 00:48:51,511
3801[clicking tongue]
3802The problem is to survive.
3803
3804838
380500:48:51,595 --> 00:48:53,347
3806-Listen, I, uh...
3807-Yes.
3808
3809839
381000:48:53,973 --> 00:48:56,558
3811-Joking, you know, seriousness aside...
3812-Stop it. Stop, stop.
3813
3814840
381500:48:56,641 --> 00:48:59,811
3816I'm just... I'm worried about you.
3817
3818841
381900:49:00,479 --> 00:49:01,605
3820Yes, yes.
3821
3822842
382300:49:02,231 --> 00:49:03,565
3824Tomorrow, I drop you.
3825
3826843
382700:49:04,650 --> 00:49:07,319
3828And then, when I say...  [clicks tongue]
3829
3830844
383100:49:07,694 --> 00:49:12,616
3832"How is weather in Los Angeles?"
3833or anything related to weather...
3834
3835845
383600:49:14,826 --> 00:49:18,038
3837it means that we will talk
3838in 15, 20 minutes.
3839
3840846
384100:49:18,122 --> 00:49:19,123
3842Be ready to talk.
3843
3844847
384500:49:23,335 --> 00:49:26,713
3846[Sebastian Coe]  Tonight, our sport
3847finds itself in a shameful situation.
3848
3849848
385000:49:26,796 --> 00:49:31,926
3851And that is why I can confirm
3852the council has overwhelmingly voted,
3853
3854849
385500:49:32,011 --> 00:49:35,389
3856with immediate effect,
3857to suspend the Russian Federation.
3858
3859850
386000:49:35,472 --> 00:49:39,476
3861It's done so, uh, by 22 votes to one.
3862
3863851
386400:49:39,559 --> 00:49:43,522
3865It is the strongest sanction...
3866[continues indistinctly]
3867
3868852
386900:49:52,906 --> 00:49:57,452
3870[in Russian] Regarding the recent events
3871
3872853
387300:49:58,870 --> 00:50:01,540
3874connected to our track and field team,
3875
3876854
387700:50:01,623 --> 00:50:06,628
3878I urge the sports minister
3879and all my sports colleagues
3880
3881855
388200:50:06,711 --> 00:50:09,173
3883to make this their number one priority.
3884
3885856
388600:50:09,256 --> 00:50:10,424
3887This is the first step.
3888
3889857
389000:50:10,507 --> 00:50:14,678
3891Secondly, it is vital to conduct
3892our own internal investigation.
3893
3894858
389500:50:14,761 --> 00:50:18,432
3896[clears throat] Sport should be fair.
3897
3898859
389900:50:18,515 --> 00:50:23,395
3900Responsibility should be personalized
3901and absolute.
3902
3903860
390400:50:27,816 --> 00:50:28,817
3905[Rodchenkov]  Bryan...
3906
3907861
390800:50:30,485 --> 00:50:32,571
3909I need... Wait, look at me.
3910
3911862
391200:50:32,654 --> 00:50:33,738
3913Yeah.
3914
3915863
391600:50:33,822 --> 00:50:37,159
3917I need to escape and to walk... to walk...
3918
3919864
392000:50:37,242 --> 00:50:38,868
3921You can go wherever you want.
3922
3923865
392400:50:38,952 --> 00:50:42,831
3925-Okay.
3926-I will be doggy-sitting at your home.
3927
3928866
392900:50:42,914 --> 00:50:44,583
3930So you wanna get out?
3931
3932867
393300:50:45,250 --> 00:50:47,043
3934Yes. Simply.
3935
3936868
393700:50:48,002 --> 00:50:50,547
3938What do you want to, uh...
3939
3940869
394100:50:50,630 --> 00:50:53,175
3942It's very suspicious when you have
3943one-way ticket, you know.
3944
3945870
394600:50:53,258 --> 00:50:57,096
3947Yeah, right.
3948You have to book a round trip.
3949
3950871
395100:50:57,179 --> 00:50:58,805
3952[Veronika in Russian]  They're watching us.
3953
3954872
395500:50:59,973 --> 00:51:01,141
3956-[Rodchenkov]  Bryan?
3957-Yeah.
3958
3959873
396000:51:01,225 --> 00:51:04,311
3961[Rodchenkov]  What I am doing,
3962myself, I can do nothing.
3963
3964874
396500:51:04,394 --> 00:51:06,188
3966-So...
3967-Okay?
3968
3969875
397000:51:06,271 --> 00:51:07,647
3971[stammering]
3972
3973876
397400:51:07,731 --> 00:51:11,235
3975I'll send you... Let me figure out
3976some flight options, okay?
3977
3978877
397900:51:12,527 --> 00:51:13,362
3980Okay.
3981
3982878
398300:51:14,779 --> 00:51:16,615
3984[Fogel]  I'm gonna get the flight,
3985right now.
3986
3987879
398800:51:16,698 --> 00:51:18,575
3989-[Rodchenkov]  Yes, right now.
3990-Okay.
3991
3992880
399300:51:18,658 --> 00:51:19,784
3994[Rodchenkov]  Go.
3995
3996881
399700:51:19,868 --> 00:51:23,122
3998Also, some security measures will be set.
3999
4000882
400100:51:23,205 --> 00:51:26,250
4002[Fogel]  How will I know
4003that you made it through okay?
4004
4005883
400600:51:26,333 --> 00:51:27,167
4007[Rodchenkov]  Um...
4008
4009884
401000:51:28,710 --> 00:51:30,086
4011I don't know.
4012
4013885
401400:51:31,213 --> 00:51:32,214
4015Okay?
4016
4017886
401800:51:33,340 --> 00:51:34,341
4019Okay.
4020
4021887
402200:51:35,842 --> 00:51:36,843
4023[both] Okay.
4024
4025888
402600:51:39,053 --> 00:51:41,097
4027-[Rodchenkov]  Bryan?
4028-Yeah, I'm right here.
4029
4030889
403100:51:41,181 --> 00:51:44,226
4032-Okay, just left my security man.
4033-[Fogel]  Okay.
4034
4035890
403600:51:44,309 --> 00:51:46,936
4037[Rodchenkov]  I am very much dizzy,
4038paranoid.
4039
4040891
404100:51:47,020 --> 00:51:48,313
4042[Fogel]  We'll get you here.
4043
4044892
404500:51:48,397 --> 00:51:53,109
4046[Rodchenkov]  My wife and children decided
4047maybe it's better to stay in Russia.
4048
4049893
405000:51:53,735 --> 00:51:57,572
4051[Fogel]  Just gotta make sure in the US
4052that you're okay also.
4053
4054894
405500:51:58,156 --> 00:51:59,491
4056[Rodchenkov]  My daughter...
4057
4058895
405900:52:00,074 --> 00:52:01,075
4060[Fogel]  Yes?
4061
4062896
406300:52:01,618 --> 00:52:03,203
4064[Rodchenkov]  She's getting married.
4065
4066897
406700:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,121
4068[Fogel]  Right.
4069
4070898
407100:52:05,205 --> 00:52:06,873
4072[Rodchenkov]  Married, everything.
4073
4074899
407500:52:09,251 --> 00:52:10,294
4076It's time.
4077
4078900
407900:52:11,253 --> 00:52:12,254
4080[Fogel]  Okay.
4081
4082901
408300:52:12,337 --> 00:52:14,923
4084-[Rodchenkov]  Cross fingers now.
4085-[Fogel]  You, too.
4086
4087902
408800:52:15,006 --> 00:52:16,883
4089[Rodchenkov]  Remember Orwell.
4090
4091903
409200:52:16,966 --> 00:52:20,554
4093"We will meet each other
4094where there is no darkness."
4095
4096904
409700:52:28,853 --> 00:52:31,231
4098[Fogel]  When I first interviewed you
4099a year ago,
4100
4101905
410200:52:31,315 --> 00:52:33,525
4103I asked you if you thought
4104your investigation
4105
4106906
410700:52:33,608 --> 00:52:36,194
4108would be a defining moment
4109in the history of sport.
4110
4111907
411200:52:37,028 --> 00:52:38,947
4113How would you answer that question now?
4114
4115908
411600:52:39,739 --> 00:52:43,451
4117Yes, it can be a defining moment,
4118and I think it should.
4119
4120909
412100:52:43,952 --> 00:52:49,249
4122You've got your number one
4123Olympic sport in the crosshairs,
4124
4125910
412600:52:49,333 --> 00:52:53,628
4127and you've got one of the major
4128Olympic countries in the world
4129
4130911
413100:52:53,712 --> 00:52:54,671
4132in the crosshairs,
4133
4134912
413500:52:54,754 --> 00:52:57,674
4136even if it's the crosshairs
4137only on athletics at the moment.
4138
4139913
414000:52:58,258 --> 00:53:02,429
4141That has the potential of affecting
4142the credibility of all sport
4143
4144914
414500:53:02,512 --> 00:53:06,808
4146and, therefore,
4147the continued viability of all sport.
4148
4149915
415000:53:06,891 --> 00:53:09,478
4151Why would I watch an event that's fixed?
4152
4153916
415400:53:19,988 --> 00:53:22,156
4155[indistinct announcement over PA]
4156
4157917
415800:53:45,722 --> 00:53:46,890
4159[Fogel] There he is.
4160
4161918
416200:53:51,936 --> 00:53:53,938
4163-I'm here, yes!
4164-He's escaped.
4165
4166919
416700:53:54,022 --> 00:53:56,775
4168-This is-- Yes. Escaped alive.
4169-[chuckles]
4170
4171920
417200:53:56,858 --> 00:53:57,859
4173Come on.
4174
4175921
417600:53:58,693 --> 00:54:00,111
4177[laughing]
4178
4179922
418000:54:01,530 --> 00:54:02,656
4181[Fogel]  Then you did what?
4182
4183923
418400:54:02,739 --> 00:54:04,783
4185[Rodchenkov]  Destroyed my computer
4186from my working place.
4187
4188924
418900:54:04,866 --> 00:54:07,952
4190I took hard disk.
4191And also, I have three copies.
4192
4193925
419400:54:08,495 --> 00:54:10,455
4195It's a historical moment.
4196
4197926
419800:54:10,539 --> 00:54:12,541
4199[Dan Cogan on phone]
4200Grigory, I want you to know
4201
4202927
420300:54:12,624 --> 00:54:15,043
4204that I understand your desire
4205to be visible
4206
4207928
420800:54:15,126 --> 00:54:18,755
4209and I think that's very important
4210for you, to be safe.
4211
4212929
421300:54:18,838 --> 00:54:23,552
4214I was on the phone yesterday
4215with the lawyer for Edward Snowden.
4216
4217930
421800:54:24,135 --> 00:54:26,305
4219They have some recommendations.
4220
4221931
422200:54:26,388 --> 00:54:30,266
4223I have everything with me,
4224and also I destroyed my office computer.
4225
4226932
422700:54:31,142 --> 00:54:34,521
4228Put it in a very safe place
4229and dropped there like a dummy.
4230
4231933
423200:54:35,814 --> 00:54:37,565
4233[Cogan]  We'll talk in a few hours.
4234
4235934
423600:54:43,738 --> 00:54:46,574
4237-[Fogel] This is, uh... This is it.
4238-[Rodchenkov] Uh-huh.
4239
4240935
424100:54:48,702 --> 00:54:50,161
4242It's like a labyrinth.
4243
4244936
424500:54:50,244 --> 00:54:51,621
4246[Fogel] Yeah.
4247
4248937
424900:54:59,338 --> 00:55:01,965
4250Okay, this is the place.
4251
4252938
425300:55:02,048 --> 00:55:03,633
4254-[Rodchenkov] Good.
4255-Here's, um...
4256
4257939
425800:55:04,217 --> 00:55:06,052
4259bed, bathroom.
4260
4261940
426200:55:06,135 --> 00:55:07,387
4263[Rodchenkov] Secure place.
4264
4265941
426600:55:08,930 --> 00:55:10,098
4267It's a good thing.
4268
4269942
427000:55:10,181 --> 00:55:12,976
4271[Fogel] This'll work, at least till we get
4272what the plan is
4273
4274943
427500:55:13,059 --> 00:55:14,060
4276and what we're gonna do.
4277
4278944
427900:55:14,561 --> 00:55:17,230
4280[Rodchenkov] He goes to me.
4281He remembers me since May.
4282
4283945
428400:55:17,814 --> 00:55:19,358
4285You will be learning Russian.
4286
4287946
428800:55:20,024 --> 00:55:22,861
4289You will be learning Russian very soon.
4290
4291947
429200:55:22,944 --> 00:55:24,320
4293I'm missing dogs.
4294
4295948
429600:55:27,281 --> 00:55:32,746
4297There was one thing
4298that I noticed in the IC report,
4299
4300949
430100:55:32,829 --> 00:55:37,584
4302and that was that there were KGB people
4303hanging around the lab.
4304
4305950
430600:55:39,002 --> 00:55:40,754
4307And that's a real no-no.
4308
4309951
431000:55:41,838 --> 00:55:44,215
4311You know, KGB people are not nice people.
4312
4313952
431400:55:46,551 --> 00:55:48,052
4315So I am at home.
4316
4317953
431800:55:48,136 --> 00:55:51,473
4319[interpreter]  We will banish all those
4320who have a suspicious reputation
4321
4322954
432300:55:51,556 --> 00:55:53,349
4324from the leadership of Russian athletics.
4325
4326955
432700:55:53,433 --> 00:55:58,605
4328In 60 days, we will present
4329the renewed athletics with new people...
4330
4331956
433200:55:58,688 --> 00:56:02,358
4333[Fogel]  So, if the KGB...
4334I guess they're called the FSB now...
4335
4336957
433700:56:03,485 --> 00:56:05,737
4338they're in the lab,
4339
4340958
434100:56:06,446 --> 00:56:09,741
4342who else could finance them
4343but Vitaly Mutko?
4344
4345959
434600:56:10,241 --> 00:56:14,203
4347Oh, I don't think Vitaly Mutko
4348finances the FSB.
4349
4350960
435100:56:14,287 --> 00:56:18,041
4352-That's a state security operation.
4353-But... but Putin?
4354
4355961
435600:56:18,124 --> 00:56:24,130
4357Well, whoever finances it
4358and runs the state security apparatus,
4359
4360962
436100:56:24,213 --> 00:56:27,008
4362it's not the sport minister.
4363
4364963
436500:56:30,011 --> 00:56:32,639
4366[man]  Officials are essentially saying,
4367"There may be some problems,
4368
4369964
437000:56:32,722 --> 00:56:35,725
4371but we are trying
4372and have already taken steps
4373
4374965
437500:56:35,809 --> 00:56:37,268
4376to address those problems."
4377
4378966
437900:56:37,351 --> 00:56:41,105
4380And all of the officials
4381are essentially rejecting the idea
4382
4383967
438400:56:41,189 --> 00:56:43,357
4385that there's still a major problem.
4386
4387968
438800:56:43,442 --> 00:56:44,443
4389[in Russian] Honey, hi.
4390
4391969
439200:56:45,902 --> 00:56:48,447
4393I am here, far away and in the darkness.
4394
4395970
439600:56:49,531 --> 00:56:51,491
4397You see them all?
4398
4399971
440000:56:51,991 --> 00:56:55,745
4401Wearing fancy suits, ties,
4402making speeches on TV...
4403
4404972
440500:56:56,370 --> 00:56:58,081
4406It's all a farce.
4407
4408973
440900:57:00,834 --> 00:57:02,836
4410[in English]  Of course
4411I was very disappointed
4412
4413974
441400:57:02,919 --> 00:57:04,463
4415when laboratory was closed.
4416
4417975
441800:57:06,297 --> 00:57:10,552
4419Now reading this IC report,
4420I am just watching with another's eyes.
4421
4422976
442300:57:18,351 --> 00:57:22,439
4424I know that I could change the past,
4425telling the truth.
4426
4427977
442800:57:26,443 --> 00:57:30,447
4429But would you like telling the truth,
4430you will be annihilated.
4431
4432978
443300:57:39,956 --> 00:57:44,127
4434George Orwell,
4435I was reading the first in 1989.
4436
4437979
443800:57:44,836 --> 00:57:46,170
4439I was 30.
4440
4441980
444200:57:47,714 --> 00:57:50,550
4443Before that time, in Soviet Union,
4444
4445981
444600:57:50,634 --> 00:57:54,428
4447the book  1984,
4448it was strictly, strictly prohibited.
4449
4450982
445100:57:58,182 --> 00:58:00,852
4452For me, it was totally shocking.
4453
4454983
445500:58:02,771 --> 00:58:05,189
4456Especially "ignorance is strength."
4457
4458984
445900:58:06,149 --> 00:58:08,151
4460This is the most powerful thing.
4461
4462985
446300:58:09,193 --> 00:58:11,070
4464It was my weapon.
4465
4466986
446700:58:11,654 --> 00:58:15,909
4468It gave me definitions,
4469it gave me coordinates
4470
4471987
447200:58:15,992 --> 00:58:17,869
4473how you can apply to your life.
4474
4475988
447600:58:20,121 --> 00:58:21,498
4477It's like a road map.
4478
4479989
448000:58:24,083 --> 00:58:27,921
4481"'There are three stages
4482in your reintegration,' said O'Brien.
4483
4484990
448500:58:28,672 --> 00:58:31,508
4486'There is learning,
4487there is understanding,
4488
4489991
449000:58:31,591 --> 00:58:33,426
4491and there is acceptance.
4492
4493992
449400:58:40,266 --> 00:58:43,770
4495It's time for you
4496to enter upon the first stage.'"
4497
4498993
449900:58:53,029 --> 00:58:54,823
4500I was thinking that we'd start...
4501
4502994
450300:58:54,906 --> 00:58:58,492
4504I ask you questions,
4505and you answer "yes" or "no."
4506
4507995
450800:59:00,453 --> 00:59:03,957
4509Does Russia have a systematic, statewide
4510doping system in place
4511
4512996
451300:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,374
4514to cheat the Olympics?
4515
4516997
451700:59:05,458 --> 00:59:06,543
4518Yes.
4519
4520998
452100:59:07,835 --> 00:59:11,047
4522Were you the mastermind
4523of a statewide system
4524
4525999
452600:59:11,130 --> 00:59:12,715
4527that cheated the Olympics?
4528
45291000
453000:59:12,799 --> 00:59:15,259
4531Of course. Yes.
4532
45331001
453400:59:15,343 --> 00:59:20,223
4535Russia won a total of 73 medals
4536in the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
4537
45381002
453900:59:20,306 --> 00:59:22,601
4540How many of those athletes were dirty?
4541
45421003
454300:59:25,436 --> 00:59:26,312
4544Thirty.
4545
45461004
454700:59:26,980 --> 00:59:31,610
4548Russia won 81 total medals in London.
4549How many of those were dirty?
4550
45511005
455200:59:31,693 --> 00:59:32,694
4553Oh, even more.
4554
45551006
455600:59:32,777 --> 00:59:35,279
455750% is for sure. Let it be 50%.
4558
45591007
456000:59:35,822 --> 00:59:39,826
4561They were earned using special program.
4562
45631008
456400:59:39,909 --> 00:59:41,703
4565State-sponsored, of course.
4566
45671009
456800:59:42,871 --> 00:59:47,166
4569Was Putin aware of the existence
4570of a Russian doping system?
4571
45721010
457300:59:47,250 --> 00:59:49,418
4574Yes. Aware of my name.
4575
45761011
457700:59:50,086 --> 00:59:53,506
4578He took me from the prison
4579for such special affair.
4580
45811012
458200:59:54,299 --> 00:59:56,050
4583-From prison?
4584-Yes.
4585
45861013
458700:59:57,135 --> 00:59:58,386
4588To redeem.
4589
45901014
459100:59:59,345 --> 01:00:02,015
4592Okay, let's back up one sec here.
4593
45941015
459501:00:02,098 --> 01:00:05,559
4596My concern is that it's something
4597they would use to discredit you.
4598
45991016
460001:00:05,644 --> 01:00:07,020
4601Oh, of course.
4602
46031017
460401:00:07,103 --> 01:00:12,066
4605So, the first criminal investigation
4606against you,
4607
46081018
460901:00:12,150 --> 01:00:13,985
4610when was it and what happened?
4611
46121019
461301:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,408
4614Oh, it's not easy to say how it happened.
4615
46161020
461701:00:21,910 --> 01:00:26,831
4618Before 2008, China was
4619the biggest producer of anabolics.
4620
46211021
462201:00:27,957 --> 01:00:30,126
4623It was produced in a pharmaceutical,
4624
46251022
462601:00:30,209 --> 01:00:32,796
4627well-equipped,
4628good manufacturing practice.
4629
46301023
463101:00:32,879 --> 01:00:35,298
4632No contamination, high qualities.
4633
46341024
463501:00:35,381 --> 01:00:38,843
4636And all these anabolics are coming
4637to Europe, to the United States.
4638
46391025
464001:00:39,593 --> 01:00:41,387
4641It's the same like in Russia.
4642
46431026
464401:00:42,221 --> 01:00:45,141
4645Of course, at that time in Russia,
4646as the head of laboratory,
4647
46481027
464901:00:46,267 --> 01:00:47,644
4650I was a part of system.
4651
46521028
465301:00:48,477 --> 01:00:52,315
4654There are three or four
4655top-level witch doctors,
4656
46571029
465801:00:52,398 --> 01:00:54,067
4659like Portugalov.
4660
46611030
466201:00:54,150 --> 01:00:58,112
4663Portugalov was the famous anabolic coach
4664of Russian national team.
4665
46661031
466701:00:59,447 --> 01:01:01,615
4668It was Soviet time. He was before me.
4669
46701032
467101:01:03,827 --> 01:01:06,245
4672Portugalov is conveyor of athletes.
4673
46741033
467501:01:06,913 --> 01:01:11,417
4676He has his own protocols,
4677and he really had great success.
4678
46791034
468001:01:13,044 --> 01:01:15,379
4681And then they became Olympic champions.
4682
46831035
468401:01:18,675 --> 01:01:21,344
4685The problem began in 2008.
4686
46871036
468801:01:22,220 --> 01:01:24,848
4689Jacques Rogge,
4690the president of the Olympics,
4691
46921037
469301:01:24,931 --> 01:01:27,058
4694told government of China,
4695
46961038
469701:01:27,141 --> 01:01:32,063
4698"You are Olympic country,
4699but you are producing anabolics in bulk.
4700
47011039
470201:01:32,146 --> 01:01:35,233
4703You cannot do like this anymore. Stop it."
4704
47051040
470601:01:35,316 --> 01:01:37,694
4707They stop it. Officially.
4708
47091041
471001:01:38,194 --> 01:01:41,072
4711But who is supplying steroids
4712to national team?
4713
47141042
471501:01:41,155 --> 01:01:43,742
4716Before, there was not any concern.
4717
47181043
471901:01:43,825 --> 01:01:46,285
4720You buy stanozolol, it's stanozolol.
4721
47221044
472301:01:46,369 --> 01:01:48,705
4724But Portugalov was so confident,
4725
47261045
472701:01:48,788 --> 01:01:52,583
4728offering and providing things
4729which were not proven or tested.
4730
47311046
473201:01:54,252 --> 01:01:57,005
4733They have impurities
4734which could be detectable.
4735
47361047
473701:01:58,506 --> 01:02:01,760
4738"Oh," Portugalov say. "What to do?
4739I spent so much money for this.
4740
47411048
474201:02:01,843 --> 01:02:03,762
4743Maybe you could advise to do?"
4744
47451049
474601:02:03,845 --> 01:02:06,680
4747What advice? Drop it to the trash.
4748
47491050
475001:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,142
4751Now, in Moscow laboratory,
4752
47531051
475401:02:09,225 --> 01:02:12,270
4755we had the best sensitivity
4756and detection limits.
4757
47581052
475901:02:12,353 --> 01:02:16,232
4760I'm very proud that I created the test
4761for long term metabolites,
4762
47631053
476401:02:16,315 --> 01:02:18,442
4765which caused the detection window
4766
47671054
476801:02:18,526 --> 01:02:21,237
4769to enlarge from two or three weeks
4770to six months.
4771
47721055
477301:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,034
4774That's why Portugalov suddenly had
4775so many positives.
4776
47771056
477801:02:27,451 --> 01:02:29,913
4779All people on the national team,
4780
47811057
478201:02:29,996 --> 01:02:32,957
4783they came to ask
4784where to get these steroids.
4785
47861058
478701:02:35,835 --> 01:02:37,295
4788I knew one source.
4789
47901059
479101:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,591
4792Suddenly, I was coordinating
4793the whole steroid program.
4794
47951060
479601:02:43,426 --> 01:02:45,136
4797[Fogel]  So you were
4798cutting out Portugalov?
4799
48001061
480101:02:45,219 --> 01:02:46,971
4802[Rodchenkov]  Yes, but what I was doing,
4803
48041062
480501:02:47,055 --> 01:02:52,852
4806I was saving national team
4807from purchasing dirty steroids.
4808
48091063
481001:02:55,021 --> 01:02:59,025
4811Eventually, I don't know
4812whether it was by purpose,
4813
48141064
481501:02:59,525 --> 01:03:02,236
4816I fight with Portugalov.
4817
48181065
481901:03:03,863 --> 01:03:05,573
4820Then I became enemy.
4821
48221066
482301:03:07,450 --> 01:03:11,162
4824Criminal narcotic police came to my home,
4825they took my computer,
4826
48271067
482801:03:11,245 --> 01:03:15,041
4829and they said,
4830"Then we arrest you on Monday."
4831
48321068
483301:03:19,087 --> 01:03:23,174
4834I was in such depression
4835and my will was paralyzed.
4836
48371069
483801:03:26,260 --> 01:03:29,097
4839And I decided to escape, I don't know how.
4840
48411070
484201:03:30,556 --> 01:03:32,683
4843I took some knife from...
4844
48451071
484601:03:32,766 --> 01:03:35,269
4847very, very sharp...
4848from my wife's kitchen.
4849
48501072
485101:03:35,937 --> 01:03:38,940
4852I drank whiskey, I sit to the bath.
4853
48541073
485501:03:40,274 --> 01:03:41,525
4856And...
4857
48581074
485901:03:43,736 --> 01:03:46,072
4860And... it was...
4861
48621075
486301:03:46,155 --> 01:03:47,824
4864It goes so smooth.
4865
48661076
486701:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,912
4868Then, in the water,
4869I see how blood is doing like this.
4870
48711077
487201:03:56,082 --> 01:03:58,709
4873It wasn't very strong, the lock.
4874
48751078
487601:03:59,752 --> 01:04:01,087
4877My wife opened door.
4878
48791079
488001:04:01,170 --> 01:04:03,172
4881[siren wailing]
4882
48831080
488401:04:10,596 --> 01:04:12,806
4885My heart was seared.
4886
48871081
488801:04:15,226 --> 01:04:16,895
4889It was very good surgeon.
4890
48911082
489201:04:19,856 --> 01:04:22,066
4893And since I was considered
4894to be suicide...
4895
48961083
489701:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,404
4898I was sent to a psychiatric clinic.
4899
49001084
490101:04:27,613 --> 01:04:29,908
4902After seeing that I am depressed,
4903
49041085
490501:04:30,574 --> 01:04:33,661
4906they started to give me such crazy drugs.
4907
49081086
490901:04:37,290 --> 01:04:39,417
4910I was totally out of reality.
4911
49121087
491301:04:50,636 --> 01:04:52,430
4914And then again, something happened.
4915
49161088
491701:04:53,847 --> 01:04:54,848
4918The criminal police,
4919
49201089
492101:04:54,933 --> 01:04:57,851
4922they sentence me
4923to another psychiatric clinic...
4924
49251090
492601:04:59,645 --> 01:05:01,480
4927which is for those who are sadist,
4928
49291091
493001:05:01,564 --> 01:05:04,233
4931who are totally
4932worst-of-the-worst criminals.
4933
49341092
493501:05:07,153 --> 01:05:10,323
4936They respected me very much.
4937[chuckles]  I was called "professor."
4938
49391093
494001:05:10,406 --> 01:05:12,325
4941But I get better, better, better.
4942
49431094
494401:05:13,117 --> 01:05:16,370
4945The most funny thing,
4946they allowed me to use computer,
4947
49481095
494901:05:16,454 --> 01:05:21,084
4950so I was working in psychiatric clinic
4951like a head of laboratory director,
4952
49531096
495401:05:21,167 --> 01:05:23,752
4955advising the whole Russian national team.
4956
49571097
495801:05:25,213 --> 01:05:26,380
4959That time,
4960
49611098
496201:05:26,464 --> 01:05:30,093
4963I received, from Olympic Committee,
4964an invitation to London,
4965
49661099
496701:05:30,176 --> 01:05:33,262
49682012 Olympic Games, being the director.
4969
49701100
497101:05:34,555 --> 01:05:39,018
4972Russian ministry was little bit uncertain
4973that I'm criminal in full.
4974
49751101
497601:05:42,605 --> 01:05:43,940
4977But WADA said,
4978
49791102
498001:05:44,023 --> 01:05:48,277
4981"If not Rodchenkov, we don't see
4982in Russia any other candidate than him.
4983
49841103
498501:05:48,361 --> 01:05:52,156
4986If you don't send him to London,
4987we send to London another director."
4988
49891104
499001:05:52,781 --> 01:05:54,158
4991You can imagine how important
4992
49931105
499401:05:54,242 --> 01:05:58,829
4995information from London laboratory is
4996for national team.
4997
49981106
499901:05:59,413 --> 01:06:03,001
5000I had information, what testing
5001this London laboratory is doing,
5002
50031107
500401:06:03,084 --> 01:06:06,587
5005to understand where we are
5006and how much is danger.
5007
50081108
500901:06:07,171 --> 01:06:11,175
5010Without this, all Russian doping situation
5011will be collapsed.
5012
50131109
501401:06:12,969 --> 01:06:15,763
5015Thanks to God, Mutko understood this.
5016
50171110
501801:06:16,889 --> 01:06:19,683
5019I received a call
5020from the Moscow investigators.
5021
50221111
502301:06:19,767 --> 01:06:20,601
5024"Grigory...
5025
50261112
502701:06:22,019 --> 01:06:23,562
5028your case is dropped."
5029
50301113
503101:06:25,106 --> 01:06:27,150
5032Who took care of it?
5033Who got the charges dropped?
5034
50351114
503601:06:27,233 --> 01:06:29,027
5037Putin. Of course.
5038
50391115
504001:06:29,527 --> 01:06:33,990
5041It's my redemption. Success in Sochi
5042instead of being in prison.
5043
50441116
504501:06:40,079 --> 01:06:45,001
5046[in Russian] We are two workers,
5047Kamaev and Rodchenkov,
5048
50491117
505001:06:45,084 --> 01:06:47,336
5051with a mission in mind...
5052
50531118
505401:06:47,420 --> 01:06:49,505
5055This is not a mission.
5056This is a revolution.
5057
50581119
505901:06:49,588 --> 01:06:52,466
5060-This is an anti-WADA strategy.
5061-Of course! Of course!
5062
50631120
506401:06:55,511 --> 01:06:59,057
5065[woman]  The former head of Russia's
5066anti-doping agency RUSADA
5067
50681121
506901:06:59,140 --> 01:07:01,267
5070has unexpectedly died.
5071
50721122
507301:07:03,686 --> 01:07:07,981
5074Nikita Kamaev's death comes just
5075two months after he resigned his post,
5076
50771123
507801:07:08,066 --> 01:07:11,694
5079which is, obviously, following
5080the doping scandal that has rocked Russia
5081
50821124
508301:07:11,777 --> 01:07:14,196
5084-and the rest of the world in athletics.
5085-[sighs]
5086
50871125
508801:07:16,490 --> 01:07:19,202
5089No, no, no.
5090
50911126
509201:07:19,993 --> 01:07:24,207
5093No, no, no.
5094
50951127
509601:07:24,290 --> 01:07:25,749
5097I have to see.
5098
50991128
510001:07:26,459 --> 01:07:27,418
5101[man]  We're told by RUSADA,
5102
51031129
510401:07:27,501 --> 01:07:30,379
5105which is the doping agency
5106he was formerly the head of,
5107
51081130
510901:07:30,463 --> 01:07:33,924
5110that he appears to have had
5111a massive heart attack.
5112
51131131
511401:07:34,007 --> 01:07:35,093
5115[Rodchenkov] Of course.
5116
51171132
511801:07:38,387 --> 01:07:39,472
5119Bryan?
5120
51211133
512201:07:40,264 --> 01:07:41,265
5123I'm here.
5124
51251134
512601:07:41,849 --> 01:07:43,016
5127You know, my friend?
5128
51291135
513001:07:45,061 --> 01:07:46,145
5131My friend...
5132
51331136
513401:07:47,020 --> 01:07:48,106
5135died.
5136
51371137
513801:07:48,939 --> 01:07:50,316
5139I show you.
5140
51411138
514201:07:50,399 --> 01:07:52,901
5143[man]  He's got no previous history
5144of heart problems.
5145
51461139
514701:07:52,985 --> 01:07:54,695
5148[Rodchenkov speaking Russian]
5149
51501140
515101:07:54,778 --> 01:07:57,948
5152It means, "Grigory, Nikita died."
5153
51541141
515501:07:58,031 --> 01:08:01,285
5156[man]  He just died.
5157And so, it's an enormous shock.
5158
51591142
516001:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,747
5161[Rodchenkov]  He's my friend
5162since school time,
5163
51641143
516501:08:04,830 --> 01:08:08,041
5166and he never complained about his heart
5167
51681144
516901:08:08,126 --> 01:08:10,753
5170or any health problem, and...
5171
51721145
517301:08:11,712 --> 01:08:14,090
5174He had a young wife.
5175
51761146
517701:08:14,173 --> 01:08:17,676
5178They dreamed about children.
5179I was talking to him day before.
5180
51811147
518201:08:18,511 --> 01:08:19,928
5183This is...
5184
51851148
518601:08:20,012 --> 01:08:21,847
5187Still, I cannot understand.
5188
51891149
519001:08:23,724 --> 01:08:25,143
5191It cannot be like this.
5192
51931150
519401:08:27,228 --> 01:08:29,021
5195He wrote book.
5196
51971151
519801:08:30,648 --> 01:08:33,567
5199It's dangerous to write book in Russia.
5200
52011152
520201:08:35,236 --> 01:08:37,988
5203[Fogel] I don't know.
5204We gotta figure this out, because...
5205
52061153
520701:08:38,071 --> 01:08:39,698
5208Of course, of course.
5209
52101154
521101:08:40,824 --> 01:08:43,327
5212Do you think that they would...
5213
52141155
521501:08:43,911 --> 01:08:49,250
5216Bryan, we are playing the most danger game
5217in the history of sport.
5218
52191156
522001:08:49,833 --> 01:08:55,047
5221WADA, ready to pay everything
5222for me and for you to disappear.
5223
52241157
522501:08:56,590 --> 01:09:01,053
5226Because we destroy not only their future,
5227we destroy their past.
5228
52291158
523001:09:01,637 --> 01:09:05,766
5231You know, there is very bad man
5232still not mentioned.
5233
52341159
523501:09:05,849 --> 01:09:08,644
5236Deputy Minister Mutko.
5237
52381160
523901:09:09,687 --> 01:09:12,064
5240He could kill everybody.
5241
52421161
524301:09:13,106 --> 01:09:14,483
5244He's a KGB man.
5245
52461162
524701:09:15,359 --> 01:09:19,363
5248He's very dangerous.
5249He has no moral at all. No, no.
5250
52511163
525201:09:20,364 --> 01:09:22,700
5253"Oh, Nikita is writing book?
5254
52551164
525601:09:23,826 --> 01:09:26,454
5257Fifty-two. Oh, he's tired.
5258
52591165
526001:09:27,538 --> 01:09:28,747
5261He's desperate.
5262
52631166
526401:09:28,831 --> 01:09:32,710
5265Oh, please, prepare obituary
5266for the next week."
5267
52681167
526901:09:33,836 --> 01:09:36,714
5270Can you imagine? I can imagine easily.
5271
52721168
527301:09:41,427 --> 01:09:43,846
5274We should be very much careful.
5275
52761169
527701:09:47,308 --> 01:09:49,018
5278[Fogel]  Who were you reporting to?
5279
52801170
528101:09:51,395 --> 01:09:53,689
5282Yuri Nagornykh, vice minister.
5283
52841171
528501:09:56,484 --> 01:09:59,320
5286He was practically involved
5287in everyday routine.
5288
52891172
529001:10:00,363 --> 01:10:03,073
5291-[Fogel]  So you would report to Yuri?
5292-[Rodchenkov]  Yes.
5293
52941173
529501:10:03,156 --> 01:10:05,117
5296-[Fogel]  Yuri would report to Mutko?
5297-[Rodchenkov]  Yes.
5298
52991174
530001:10:05,201 --> 01:10:07,745
5301-[Fogel]  And Mutko reported to Putin?
5302-[Rodchenkov]  To Putin, yes.
5303
53041175
530501:10:12,416 --> 01:10:15,503
5306[Rodchenkov]  You know, there is no rest
5307if you are paranoid.
5308
53091176
531001:10:15,586 --> 01:10:18,214
5311[Fogel]  It was around 12:30,
5312one o'clock at night?
5313
53141177
531501:10:18,589 --> 01:10:21,467
5316[Rodchenkov]  Or two. I don't know.
5317
53181178
531901:10:21,550 --> 01:10:23,927
5320They were just hanging around, so...
5321
53221179
532301:10:24,011 --> 01:10:27,514
5324-[Fogel]  Somebody in the courtyard?
5325-[Rodchenkov]  Yes.
5326
53271180
532801:10:28,849 --> 01:10:34,187
5329Two strong men knocked my door
5330and appeared from darkness.
5331
53321181
533301:10:35,022 --> 01:10:38,359
5334They asked me to let them in,
5335and they came here.
5336
53371182
533801:10:38,901 --> 01:10:44,531
5339And we were talking about sport,
5340about many relevant or auxiliary things.
5341
53421183
534301:10:46,158 --> 01:10:48,702
5344They knew about death of Nikita Kamaev.
5345
53461184
534701:10:50,037 --> 01:10:54,583
5348About, first of all,
5349my boss, Minister Mutko.
5350
53511185
535201:10:55,417 --> 01:10:58,629
5353It was inspection and... [mutters]
5354
53551186
535601:10:58,712 --> 01:11:00,631
5357exhausts my nerves...
5358
53591187
536001:11:00,714 --> 01:11:03,759
5361They finally gave me subpoena.
5362
53631188
536401:11:03,842 --> 01:11:06,219
5365United States district court.
5366
53671189
536801:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,932
5369You see, it's for me.
5370"To Grigory Rodchenkov."
5371
53721190
537301:11:10,808 --> 01:11:14,853
5374[Fogel] You're commanded to appear
5375in front of the grand jury.
5376
53771191
537801:11:22,570 --> 01:11:26,407
5379[Ed Stier]  He had been approached
5380by two FBI agents.
5381
53821192
538301:11:28,909 --> 01:11:31,287
5384They want him to go to New York
5385
53861193
538701:11:32,204 --> 01:11:36,959
5388and appear in a grand jury
5389and provide his information.
5390
53911194
539201:11:38,168 --> 01:11:41,797
5393It triggered a whole series of decisions
5394that had to be made.
5395
53961195
539701:11:43,841 --> 01:11:45,884
5398I've checked out these two guys,
5399
54001196
540101:11:45,968 --> 01:11:50,764
5402and both of these guys
5403are not your everyday agent.
5404
54051197
540601:11:50,848 --> 01:11:52,516
5407[Cogan] But why did they come to him?
5408
54091198
541001:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,852
5411They want him for something else
5412that they're doing.
5413
54141199
541501:11:54,935 --> 01:11:56,395
5416They didn't come to him for himself.
5417
54181200
541901:11:57,313 --> 01:11:59,565
5420They're trying to make a case,
5421
54221201
542301:11:59,648 --> 01:12:01,525
5424and they found out he was in LA.
5425
54261202
542701:12:02,192 --> 01:12:06,238
5428His boss, Mutko, was actually the guy.
5429
54301203
543101:12:06,322 --> 01:12:07,906
5432[lawyer] How was he able to survive?
5433
54341204
543501:12:07,990 --> 01:12:11,243
5436Because he's Putin's best friend.
5437He's the head of the sports ministry.
5438
54391205
544001:12:11,327 --> 01:12:15,247
5441Just what sort of, uh... crime...
5442
54431206
544401:12:15,331 --> 01:12:19,501
5445like, example, I could be done against
5446or under US legislature?
5447
54481207
544901:12:19,585 --> 01:12:23,839
5450The United States Justice Department loves
5451to charge broad conspiracies.
5452
54531208
545401:12:23,922 --> 01:12:26,425
5455That's their favorite charging instrument.
5456
54571209
545801:12:26,509 --> 01:12:30,095
5459That you conspired
5460with Mutko and others to--
5461
54621210
546301:12:30,178 --> 01:12:33,891
5464What is the conspiracy?
5465It was conspiracy since 1980.
5466
54671211
546801:12:33,974 --> 01:12:35,643
5469Let's reconsider Moscow Olympic Games,
5470
54711212
547201:12:35,726 --> 01:12:39,187
5473and then reconsider situation
5474in United States in 1984.
5475
54761213
547701:12:39,271 --> 01:12:41,231
5478[lawyer] That's right.
5479
54801214
548101:12:41,315 --> 01:12:46,070
5482They're looking for him to plea
5483to what's called a cooperation agreement.
5484
54851215
548601:12:46,153 --> 01:12:48,864
5487What happens is, he cooperates,
5488and at the end of the day,
5489
54901216
549101:12:48,947 --> 01:12:52,451
5492the judge generally
5493wouldn't incarcerate him, most likely.
5494
54951217
549601:12:52,535 --> 01:12:55,162
5497[Stier] First of all,
5498we don't know whether that's...
5499
55001218
550101:12:55,245 --> 01:12:57,581
5502what the bureau's interested in
5503at this point.
5504
55051219
550601:12:57,665 --> 01:13:00,959
5507[lawyer] If we turn down,
5508they could indict him.
5509
55101220
551101:13:01,043 --> 01:13:03,629
5512-[Fogel] You gotta be shitting me.
5513-We can talk to these guys.
5514
55151221
551601:13:05,631 --> 01:13:08,884
5517[Stier] The most important thing
5518is he is not sent back to Russia,
5519
55201222
552101:13:08,967 --> 01:13:11,387
5522where he would certainly be assassinated.
5523
55241223
552501:13:12,513 --> 01:13:14,473
5526[Fogel] We've been discussing with Grigory
5527
55281224
552901:13:14,557 --> 01:13:17,142
5530whether or not he should go public
5531in some way
5532
55331225
553401:13:17,225 --> 01:13:18,394
5535prior to the Olympics.
5536
55371226
553801:13:18,477 --> 01:13:20,479
5539[Stier] Prior to the Olympics.
5540What you're saying is
5541
55421227
554301:13:20,563 --> 01:13:22,981
5544if he's established
5545as a cooperating witness,
5546
55471228
554801:13:23,065 --> 01:13:24,357
5549he may not be able to do that.
5550
55511229
555201:13:24,442 --> 01:13:27,027
5553[lawyer] That's right. That's right.
5554Which is a downside.
5555
55561230
555701:13:27,110 --> 01:13:30,113
5558[Stier] But once Grigory's public,
5559I think he's in much less danger.
5560
55611231
556201:13:30,197 --> 01:13:32,199
5563Because if the Russians do anything
5564to hurt him,
5565
55661232
556701:13:32,282 --> 01:13:33,576
5568it makes them look very guilty.
5569
55701233
557101:13:33,659 --> 01:13:36,286
5572[lawyer] Except they'll just say
5573he had a heart attack, like they did...
5574
55751234
557601:13:36,369 --> 01:13:38,288
5577[Fogel] Grigory, look at me.
5578
55791235
558001:13:39,164 --> 01:13:43,461
5581Is it in your best interest
5582to break the story?
5583
55841236
558501:13:44,294 --> 01:13:45,546
5586Uh...
5587
55881237
558901:13:45,629 --> 01:13:48,256
5590You mean to disclose? We have to disclose.
5591
55921238
559301:13:49,758 --> 01:13:53,386
5594[automated voice]  Please enter
5595your participant ID. Thank you.
5596
55971239
559801:13:56,849 --> 01:14:01,103
5599[Rodchenkov]  I strongly suggest
5600they stay only with list of 36 athletes.
5601
56021240
560301:14:01,186 --> 01:14:02,980
5604[Fogel]  Okay.
5605But they're about to publish.
5606
56071241
560801:14:03,063 --> 01:14:06,484
5609They're asking us how they can verify
5610the authenticity of the Sochi list.
5611
56121242
561301:14:06,567 --> 01:14:09,319
5614[Rodchenkov]  Yes, this is most important.
5615It's authentic document.
5616
56171243
561801:14:09,402 --> 01:14:11,530
5619It was in Sochi on my table.
5620
56211244
562201:14:11,614 --> 01:14:15,075
5623And if you go behind this list,
5624there is creation date.
5625
56261245
562701:14:15,158 --> 01:14:17,077
5628[Fogel]  And this list came
5629from the ministry?
5630
56311246
563201:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,704
5633[Rodchenkov]  Of course, of course.
5634
56351247
563601:14:18,787 --> 01:14:20,372
5637[Fogel]  So, Rebecca, you have the file.
5638
56391248
564001:14:20,456 --> 01:14:23,959
5641So under properties of the file,
5642you can see it was created
5643
56441249
564501:14:24,042 --> 01:14:27,129
5646Tuesday, January 21st, from the ministry.
5647
56481250
564901:15:00,538 --> 01:15:03,916
5650[Fogel] Oh, my God! You're unrecognizable!
5651
56521251
565301:15:03,999 --> 01:15:05,208
5654Not recognizable at all.
5655
56561252
565701:15:06,293 --> 01:15:09,087
5658Psychological, looking in mirror,
5659it's not me.
5660
56611253
566201:15:09,755 --> 01:15:11,840
5663The   New York Times  is breaking tomorrow.
5664
56651254
566601:15:11,924 --> 01:15:13,759
5667-Tomorrow?
5668-Tomorrow.
5669
56701255
567101:15:13,842 --> 01:15:16,178
5672Oh, I need... I need... [sighs]
5673
56741256
567501:15:16,595 --> 01:15:18,055
5676intravenous injections
5677
56781257
567901:15:18,764 --> 01:15:20,641
5680-to relax. Tomorrow?
5681-Tomorrow.
5682
56831258
568401:15:20,724 --> 01:15:23,268
5685-[Rodchenkov] Why not?
5686-Okay, so here's what's happening.
5687
56881259
568901:15:24,853 --> 01:15:27,480
5690[Fogel]  Have you spoke
5691to the Department of Justice yet?
5692
56931260
569401:15:27,565 --> 01:15:29,274
5695[lawyer on phone]  I told them,
5696
56971261
569801:15:29,357 --> 01:15:31,359
5699and they reacted
5700like I expected they would.
5701
57021262
570301:15:31,443 --> 01:15:32,444
5704They're upset.
5705
57061263
570701:15:32,528 --> 01:15:33,571
5708-Right.
5709-So...
5710
57111264
571201:15:33,654 --> 01:15:36,574
5713They wanted to know,
5714did he provide any documents to them?
5715
57161265
571701:15:37,157 --> 01:15:41,203
5718[Fogel] He provided lists
5719of doped athletes.
5720
57211266
572201:15:41,704 --> 01:15:47,668
5723He provided an FSB file
5724of how the testing was arranged at Sochi.
5725
57261267
572701:15:47,751 --> 01:15:51,797
5728Yeah, unfortunately,
5729they're gonna terminate the whole...
5730
57311268
573201:15:53,090 --> 01:15:56,384
5733Now that he turned over documents,
5734they're gonna cancel.
5735
57361269
573701:15:56,927 --> 01:15:58,845
5738And they're just gonna prosecute him.
5739
57401270
574101:16:04,392 --> 01:16:07,520
5742[Rodchenkov]  "It's time for you
5743to enter upon the second stage."
5744
57451271
574601:16:11,399 --> 01:16:13,526
5747[Jacques Rogge]
5748The International Olympic Committee
5749
57501272
575101:16:13,610 --> 01:16:15,112
5752has the honor of announcing
5753
57541273
575501:16:15,195 --> 01:16:19,575
5756that the 22nd Olympic Winter Games in 2014
5757
57581274
575901:16:19,658 --> 01:16:22,202
5760are awarded to the city of Sochi.
5761
57621275
576301:16:22,285 --> 01:16:23,746
5764[cheering]
5765
57661276
576701:16:25,873 --> 01:16:30,210
5768That's future for everything.
5769That's future for my country! For Russia!
5770
57711277
577201:16:31,795 --> 01:16:35,507
5773Millions of citizens of Russia are united
5774by the Olympic dream.
5775
57761278
577701:16:36,383 --> 01:16:41,138
5778Our national pledge to you is,
5779the choice of Sochi is the best choice.
5780
57811279
578201:16:43,724 --> 01:16:47,019
5783[Rodchenkov]
5784There is a top-level decision.
5785
57861280
578701:16:47,102 --> 01:16:48,270
5788You know who I mean.
5789
57901281
579101:16:48,854 --> 01:16:52,482
5792And big boss, Vladimir Putin, saying,
5793
57941282
579501:16:52,565 --> 01:16:56,779
5796"We have to show the best result in Sochi.
5797
57981283
579901:16:56,862 --> 01:16:59,072
5800We must show the others who we are."
5801
58021284
580301:16:59,740 --> 01:17:03,285
5804-[man]  Hurrah!
5805-[crowd]  Hurrah!
5806
58071285
580801:17:04,577 --> 01:17:06,914
5809Hurrah!
5810
58111286
581201:17:06,997 --> 01:17:11,001
5813[Rodchenkov]  We could make team clean
5814before Sochi. One month.
5815
58161287
581701:17:11,084 --> 01:17:12,460
5818[crowd cheering]
5819
58201288
582101:17:16,089 --> 01:17:21,178
5822But it was decided
5823to use PEDs during Sochi.
5824
58251289
582601:17:22,721 --> 01:17:26,391
5827Through the competition
5828so they could be at their very top level?
5829
58301290
583101:17:26,474 --> 01:17:27,392
5832Right, right.
5833
58341291
583501:17:28,518 --> 01:17:30,062
5836[announcer] Vladimir Putin.
5837
58381292
583901:17:30,145 --> 01:17:31,604
5840[announcer speaking French]
5841
58421293
584301:17:31,688 --> 01:17:34,524
5844[Fogel] So instead of using the science,
5845
58461294
584701:17:34,983 --> 01:17:38,236
5848the science that you developed
5849to get around the system,
5850
58511295
585201:17:39,362 --> 01:17:40,739
5853you abandoned the science?
5854
58551296
585601:17:40,823 --> 01:17:41,824
5857Yes.
5858
58591297
586001:17:42,825 --> 01:17:45,327
5861The most important "yes."
5862Forget about this.
5863
58641298
586501:17:46,203 --> 01:17:47,663
5866Ladies and gentlemen,
5867
58681299
586901:17:47,746 --> 01:17:54,336
5870let me declare the 126th session
5871of the International Olympic Committee
5872
58731300
587401:17:54,419 --> 01:17:55,671
5875open.
5876
58771301
587801:17:55,754 --> 01:17:58,548
5879-Thank you.
5880-[audience applauding]
5881
58821302
588301:18:07,140 --> 01:18:10,352
5884[Rodchenkov]  Opening ceremony was
5885the most heartbreaking day...
5886
58871303
588801:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,731
5889in sports history.
5890
58911304
589201:18:21,864 --> 01:18:24,783
5893-Hi, Bryan.
5894- The story just broke.
5895
58961305
589701:18:24,867 --> 01:18:28,829
5898[stammering] What do you mean?
5899Is it published or not?
5900
59011306
590201:18:28,912 --> 01:18:30,622
5903-Yes, published.
5904-[gasps]
5905
59061307
590701:18:30,706 --> 01:18:32,624
5908Published! The story is published!
5909
59101308
591101:18:32,708 --> 01:18:36,503
5912[man on TV]  According
5913to  The New York Times,  Rodchenkov...
5914
59151309
591601:18:37,170 --> 01:18:38,130
5917Okay.
5918
59191310
592001:18:40,257 --> 01:18:42,300
5921This is the photo of bottles.
5922
59231311
592401:18:42,384 --> 01:18:45,470
5925Those bottles were given
5926from Nikita Kamaev.
5927
59281312
592901:18:46,096 --> 01:18:48,556
5930"Grigory Rodchenkov,
5931who ran the laboratory
5932
59331313
593401:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,101
5935that handled testing
5936for thousands of Olympians,
5937
59381314
593901:18:51,184 --> 01:18:54,604
5940said he developed a three-drug cocktail
5941of banned substances
5942
59431315
594401:18:54,687 --> 01:18:58,233
5945that he mixed with liquor and provided
5946to dozens of Russian athletes,
5947
59481316
594901:18:58,316 --> 01:19:01,194
5950helping to facilitate
5951one of the most elaborate
5952
59531317
595401:19:01,278 --> 01:19:04,865
5955and successful doping ploys
5956in sport history."
5957
59581318
595901:19:05,991 --> 01:19:07,659
5960[sighs deeply]
5961
59621319
596301:19:10,203 --> 01:19:13,791
5964[Thomas Bach]  Join and support
5965our fight for fair play.
5966
59671320
596801:19:14,541 --> 01:19:16,459
5969The athletes deserve it.
5970
59711321
597201:19:18,045 --> 01:19:22,299
5973And to you, my fellow Olympic athletes,
5974
59751322
597601:19:22,382 --> 01:19:28,013
5977I say, respect the rules,
5978play fair, be clean.
5979
59801323
598101:19:28,096 --> 01:19:29,681
5982[crowd cheering]
5983
59841324
598501:19:32,225 --> 01:19:33,894
5986[Fogel]  In 2014, in Sochi,
5987
59881325
598901:19:34,477 --> 01:19:39,942
5990did Russia swap out dirty urine
5991for clean urine?
5992
59931326
599401:19:41,193 --> 01:19:42,027
5995Always.
5996
59971327
599801:19:44,613 --> 01:19:47,699
5999[dramatic music playing]
6000
60011328
600201:19:53,205 --> 01:19:56,083
6003[narrator]  The information contained
6004in this little bottle
6005
60061329
600701:19:56,166 --> 01:19:59,086
6008helps keep sport
6009on the level playing field.
6010
60111330
601201:19:59,169 --> 01:20:01,254
6013That's why we created ADAMS,
6014
60151331
601601:20:01,338 --> 01:20:05,217
6017the free Anti-Doping Administration
6018and Management System from WADA.
6019
60201332
602101:20:05,300 --> 01:20:10,222
6022All operating under a level of security
6023typically used by financial institutions.
6024
60251333
602601:20:10,305 --> 01:20:12,850
6027In effect,
6028becoming the centralized clearing house
6029
60301334
603101:20:12,933 --> 01:20:14,810
6032for all anti-doping information.
6033
60341335
603501:20:15,477 --> 01:20:18,771
6036ADAMS. Everyone should play true.
6037
60381336
603901:20:22,525 --> 01:20:25,362
6040[Fogel]  Walk us through
6041the collection process.
6042
60431337
604401:20:25,445 --> 01:20:29,366
6045[Dick Pound]  The sample is provided
6046in front of a doping control officer.
6047
60481338
604901:20:29,449 --> 01:20:31,910
6050It's in this container.
6051It's divided into two.
6052
60531339
605401:20:32,702 --> 01:20:35,831
6055[Fogel]  The A sample and the B sample.
6056These are the...
6057
60581340
605901:20:35,914 --> 01:20:37,874
6060-[Catlin]  Bottles.
6061-[Fogel]  They're called the Bereg-Kits?
6062
60631341
606401:20:37,958 --> 01:20:42,128
6065Yes. It's one particular company
6066in Switzerland that makes them.
6067
60681342
606901:20:42,838 --> 01:20:44,631
6070[McLaren]  It's called
6071the Berlinger bottle,
6072
60731343
607401:20:44,714 --> 01:20:47,300
6075and the Berlinger bottle is
6076state of the art.
6077
60781344
607901:20:47,384 --> 01:20:51,471
6080It's sealed very tight
6081with a vice-like device.
6082
60831345
608401:20:51,554 --> 01:20:54,182
6085A collector is right there, watching.
6086
60871346
608801:20:57,269 --> 01:20:58,728
6089And then it goes to the lab.
6090
60911347
609201:21:00,981 --> 01:21:05,818
6093It's in the lab that the B bottles are
6094pulled aside and put in the freezer.
6095
60961348
609701:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,449
6098The analytical work is done
6099on the A sample.
6100
61011349
610201:21:12,993 --> 01:21:14,369
6103[Olivier Rabin]  The way we collect
6104the sample,
6105
61061350
610701:21:14,452 --> 01:21:16,371
6108the trustability of the sample,
6109
61101351
611101:21:16,454 --> 01:21:18,498
6112the fact that we've got
6113an A and a B sample
6114
61151352
611601:21:18,581 --> 01:21:21,626
6117is a very, very, uh, safe system.
6118
61191353
612001:21:22,460 --> 01:21:24,546
6121[McLaren]  The caps on the bottles,
6122
61231354
612401:21:24,629 --> 01:21:28,800
6125they're designed in such a way that
6126they need to be destroyed to be taken off.
6127
61281355
612901:21:28,884 --> 01:21:33,096
6130[Catlin]  In the lab, they have a device
6131that cracks open the A sample.
6132
61331356
613401:21:34,222 --> 01:21:36,058
6135It's the only way you can get it off.
6136
61371357
613801:21:37,184 --> 01:21:42,064
6139[Pound]  If an A sample tests positive,
6140then the B gets analyzed.
6141
61421358
614301:21:42,689 --> 01:21:44,566
6144The B has to confirm the A.
6145
61461359
614701:21:45,317 --> 01:21:48,069
6148That's this enormous protection.
6149
61501360
615101:21:49,612 --> 01:21:52,324
6152[Rodchenkov]  From Nagornykh,
6153in preparation to Sochi,
6154
61551361
615601:21:52,407 --> 01:21:58,705
6157it was strict order to develop procedure
6158how we can have new bottles,
6159
61601362
616101:21:58,788 --> 01:22:00,582
6162new caps or open cap.
6163
61641363
616501:22:01,666 --> 01:22:04,044
6166And this FSB officer,
6167
61681364
616901:22:04,127 --> 01:22:09,549
6170he was responsible for the day
6171when I gave closed Bereg-Kit,
6172
61731365
617401:22:09,632 --> 01:22:12,385
6175and after half an hour,
6176I receive it opened.
6177
61781366
617901:22:12,469 --> 01:22:13,511
6180And the...
6181
61821367
618301:22:14,429 --> 01:22:17,515
6184cap and the bottle are the same.
6185
61861368
618701:22:17,599 --> 01:22:19,226
6188And I can... [imitates pouring]
6189
61901369
619101:22:19,309 --> 01:22:22,729
6192a little bit rinse
6193and then pour and close.
6194
61951370
619601:22:22,812 --> 01:22:24,272
6197[imitates lid locking]
6198
61991371
620001:22:24,356 --> 01:22:25,648
6201Like Bereg-Kit.
6202
62031372
620401:22:26,358 --> 01:22:28,276
6205It's unbelievable how they could do this.
6206
62071373
620801:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,326
6209This was named Operation Sochi Resultat.
6210
62111374
621201:22:37,452 --> 01:22:41,039
6213In Russian,  "resultat"  means
6214"to achieve positive results."
6215
62161375
621701:22:42,665 --> 01:22:44,251
6218[Fogel]  So, you need clean urines?
6219
62201376
622101:22:44,334 --> 01:22:46,962
6222[Rodchenkov]  I need clean urines
6223for each candidate.
6224
62251377
622601:22:47,045 --> 01:22:52,384
6227[Fogel]  For every single Russian athlete
6228under the state-sponsored doping,
6229
62301378
623101:22:53,051 --> 01:22:57,930
6232you had clean samples
6233of their urine being held?
6234
62351379
623601:22:58,015 --> 01:22:59,349
6237Yes.
6238
62391380
624001:22:59,432 --> 01:23:04,146
6241[Fogel]  If an athlete needed
6242to be swapped, you could swap 'em.
6243
62441381
624501:23:04,229 --> 01:23:05,063
6246[Rodchenkov]  Yes.
6247
62481382
624901:23:05,147 --> 01:23:11,069
6250But in Sochi, because of the Olympics,
6251I am under double control.
6252
62531383
625401:23:11,153 --> 01:23:14,614
6255Both from IOC, WADA and I don't know who.
6256
62571384
625801:23:15,240 --> 01:23:19,244
6259Level of security is stunning.
6260It's unbelievable.
6261
62621385
626301:23:21,204 --> 01:23:23,206
6264[Rabin]  There was a delegation
6265of foreign scientists
6266
62671386
626801:23:23,290 --> 01:23:25,042
6269who were embedded in the laboratory.
6270
62711387
627201:23:25,125 --> 01:23:28,003
6273So, if there were substitutions,
6274manipulations,
6275
62761388
627701:23:28,086 --> 01:23:30,755
6278these people would've been
6279in the front line to observe this.
6280
62811389
628201:23:32,632 --> 01:23:34,967
6283In Sochi, laboratory was like this.
6284
62851390
628601:23:35,635 --> 01:23:37,012
6287It was our entrance,
6288
62891391
629001:23:37,095 --> 01:23:40,265
6291but from this behind,
6292where we have a fire exit,
6293
62941392
629501:23:40,348 --> 01:23:43,560
6296there is another building.
6297It was a KGB building.
6298
62991393
630001:23:43,643 --> 01:23:46,229
6301And bank of clean urines were kept here.
6302
63031394
630401:23:46,313 --> 01:23:49,107
6305[man]  Coming into the final two heats
6306of the four-man bobsleigh,
6307
63081395
630901:23:49,191 --> 01:23:52,777
6310Pilot Alexander Zubkov
6311and brakeman Alexey Voevoda...
6312
63131396
631401:23:52,860 --> 01:23:53,861
6315[crowd cheering]
6316
63171397
631801:24:01,203 --> 01:24:02,620
6319Gold to Russia,
6320
63211398
632201:24:02,704 --> 01:24:06,583
6323making their pilot the oldest man ever
6324to win the four-man bobsleigh.
6325
63261399
632701:24:07,917 --> 01:24:11,546
6328[Fogel]  So how many FSB officers
6329were working at Sochi?
6330
63311400
633201:24:12,880 --> 01:24:13,881
6333Hundred.
6334
63351401
633601:24:16,093 --> 01:24:18,345
6337Throughout the day, our KGB officer
6338
63391402
634001:24:18,428 --> 01:24:21,973
6341brought the clean urines
6342of all our athletes selected for testing
6343
63441403
634501:24:22,057 --> 01:24:25,185
6346to our secret operational room
6347in the laboratory.
6348
63491404
635001:24:25,935 --> 01:24:29,689
6351Meanwhile, all the urines collected
6352from the athletes during the day
6353
63541405
635501:24:29,772 --> 01:24:33,818
6356were transported to the Olympic village
6357and held until 1:00 or 2:00 a.m.
6358
63591406
636001:24:34,736 --> 01:24:36,154
6361Then I received a call.
6362
63631407
636401:24:36,237 --> 01:24:39,449
6365"Grigory, I will be delivering the samples
6366in 15 minutes."
6367
63681408
636901:24:40,033 --> 01:24:42,869
6370Before samples arrived,
6371it gave me time to make sure
6372
63731409
637401:24:42,952 --> 01:24:47,624
6375that there were no WADA or IOC observers
6376left snooping around the laboratory.
6377
63781410
637901:24:49,917 --> 01:24:51,836
6380Once samples were checked in,
6381
63821411
638301:24:51,919 --> 01:24:54,797
6384the operation entered
6385the most dangerous phase.
6386
63871412
638801:24:55,673 --> 01:24:59,636
6389When the A and B bottles
6390were split on to two different carts,
6391
63921413
639301:24:59,719 --> 01:25:02,764
6394my assistant wheeled the B bottles
6395into a storage room
6396
63971414
639801:25:02,847 --> 01:25:06,684
6399and slipped the Russian athletes'
6400B bottles into his lab coat.
6401
64021415
640301:25:07,519 --> 01:25:11,439
6404This is highly illegal,
6405but we need to replace these dirty urines.
6406
64071416
640801:25:12,232 --> 01:25:14,442
6409Then he wheeled the cart
6410with the A bottles
6411
64121417
641301:25:14,526 --> 01:25:17,154
6414into the aliquoting room,
6415as per procedure.
6416
64171418
641801:25:18,155 --> 01:25:19,822
6419[Fogel]
6420'Cause it's supposed to be opened.
6421
64221419
642301:25:19,906 --> 01:25:22,074
6424[Rodchenkov]  For all A samples, yes.
6425
64261420
642701:25:24,911 --> 01:25:28,498
6428To escape all the video recording,
6429aliquoting room was like this.
6430
64311421
643201:25:28,581 --> 01:25:33,420
6433And our room, we had the hole in it.
6434
64351422
643601:25:33,503 --> 01:25:36,297
6437So we take this little bit...
6438
64391423
644001:25:36,381 --> 01:25:39,008
6441-How you say this thing? It's--
6442-Uh...
6443
64441424
644501:25:39,092 --> 01:25:40,927
6446Like this, if you have something...
6447
64481425
644901:25:41,427 --> 01:25:44,556
6450You take this table out,
6451and there is a... like a...
6452
64531426
645401:25:45,098 --> 01:25:50,186
6455like a power outlet blocked
6456without any, uh... socket.
6457
64581427
645901:25:50,270 --> 01:25:52,480
6460-Okay, right, right.
6461-But then you take it out.
6462
64631428
646401:25:52,564 --> 01:25:55,650
6465So it looks like it's a power outlet
6466without a socket, but it's not.
6467
64681429
646901:25:55,733 --> 01:25:57,569
6470-It's not. It's a hole.
6471-It's a hole.
6472
64731430
647401:25:59,028 --> 01:26:02,073
6475[Rodchenkov]  You're taking both samples
6476through this hole,
6477
64781431
647901:26:02,157 --> 01:26:04,451
6480and A samples, we immediately...
6481
64821432
648301:26:05,034 --> 01:26:06,578
6484pour away and clean.
6485
64861433
648701:26:07,329 --> 01:26:08,455
6488[Fogel]  But the B sample...
6489
64901434
649101:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,666
6492[Rodchenkov]  B samples are taken
6493by KGB and... whew!
6494
64951435
649601:26:13,042 --> 01:26:16,879
6497In the darkness,
6498people coming from the trash/fire exit.
6499
65001436
650101:26:16,963 --> 01:26:18,756
6502[imitating footsteps]
6503
65041437
650501:26:18,840 --> 01:26:25,054
6506Then, after two hours, they came back
6507with B bottles opened to swap.
6508
65091438
651001:26:25,805 --> 01:26:28,891
6511Because, of course,
6512you have in advance clean urine.
6513
65141439
651501:26:29,976 --> 01:26:33,813
6516So, B samples are finished
6517with the urine swapping.
6518
65191440
652001:26:33,896 --> 01:26:36,148
6521Taken by KGB and--
6522
65231441
652401:26:36,233 --> 01:26:40,737
6525[Fogel]  Because the B samples are taken
6526by the IOC and held in long-term storage.
6527
65281442
652901:26:40,820 --> 01:26:41,821
6530[Rodchenkov]  Yes.
6531
65321443
653301:26:43,323 --> 01:26:48,160
6534[Fogel]  If WADA or the IOC retest
6535those samples, would they be clean?
6536
65371444
653801:26:48,745 --> 01:26:51,956
6539[Rodchenkov]
6540Reanalysis will return negative.
6541
65421445
654301:26:52,790 --> 01:26:55,585
6544Because, you know,
6545we are top-level cheaters.
6546
65471446
654801:26:55,668 --> 01:26:56,711
6549[chuckles]
6550
65511447
655201:26:56,794 --> 01:27:00,131
6553To over-cheat us,
6554you should be much such experienced.
6555
65561448
655701:27:00,215 --> 01:27:02,342
6558But how it comes, such experience?
6559
65601449
656101:27:02,425 --> 01:27:04,051
6562[chuckles]
6563
65641450
656501:27:10,267 --> 01:27:12,184
6566[Fogel]  If there were
6567evidence brought forward
6568
65691451
657001:27:12,269 --> 01:27:14,145
6571that showed that a country or WADA lab
6572
65731452
657401:27:14,229 --> 01:27:17,857
6575had found a way
6576to break into the collection bottles,
6577
65781453
657901:27:17,940 --> 01:27:22,069
6580what do you think that would say
6581about the entire testing system?
6582
65831454
658401:27:22,153 --> 01:27:26,658
6585What it would say is that corruption
6586has gone to the depths of...
6587
65881455
658901:27:28,618 --> 01:27:32,163
6590that part of the process,
6591which would be most disturbing.
6592
65931456
659401:27:33,122 --> 01:27:34,249
6595It would be, uh...
6596
65971457
659801:27:35,583 --> 01:27:42,424
6599obviously a very serious, serious act
6600of manipulation from that lab.
6601
66021458
660301:27:43,300 --> 01:27:45,635
6604It would be done. It wouldn't work.
6605
66061459
660701:27:45,718 --> 01:27:51,223
6608If that can be done successfully,
6609then the testing system is over.
6610
66111460
661201:27:51,766 --> 01:27:56,187
6613[Fogel] Does WADA have the ability
6614to catch drug cheats today?
6615
66161461
661701:27:58,356 --> 01:27:59,441
6618No.
6619
66201462
662101:28:03,110 --> 01:28:05,822
6622[choir singing Russian national anthem]
6623
66241463
662501:28:11,619 --> 01:28:14,163
6626[Rodchenkov]
6627Because of this whole steroid program,
6628
66291464
663001:28:14,247 --> 01:28:16,332
6631I pulled off 13 gold medals.
6632
66331465
663401:28:16,416 --> 01:28:17,542
6635It's unbelievable.
6636
66371466
663801:28:19,252 --> 01:28:21,045
6639Never before.  [chuckles]
6640
66411467
664201:28:22,714 --> 01:28:27,259
6643Everything was made clean,
6644and Putin was very much happy.
6645
66461468
664701:28:27,343 --> 01:28:29,887
6648[anthem continuing]
6649
66501469
665101:28:44,151 --> 01:28:46,237
6652[woman]  Russia came out on top
6653of the medals board,
6654
66551470
665601:28:46,321 --> 01:28:51,451
6657winning 33 overall,
6658including an Olympic high of 13 gold.
6659
66601471
666101:29:04,088 --> 01:29:05,840
6662[crowd cheering]
6663
66641472
666501:29:12,972 --> 01:29:18,060
6666[Rodchenkov]  But immediately after,
6667he started war against Ukraine.
6668
66691473
667001:29:23,107 --> 01:29:24,233
6671[man]  Before the Olympics,
6672
66731474
667401:29:24,316 --> 01:29:28,488
6675his popularity rating in Russia
6676had been falling steadily for years.
6677
66781475
667901:29:28,571 --> 01:29:31,198
6680But when the games began, this.
6681
66821476
668301:29:35,327 --> 01:29:38,831
6684[Rodchenkov]  I felt my personal guilt
6685for such event.
6686
66871477
668801:29:38,915 --> 01:29:44,378
6689Would Russia had less medals,
6690Putin would be not such aggressive.
6691
66921478
669301:29:51,469 --> 01:29:54,514
6694[man]  What you're about to hear
6695is not lifted from a Tom Clancy novel,
6696
66971479
669801:29:54,597 --> 01:29:57,809
6699nor is it borrowed from
6700the elegant prose of John le Carré
6701
67021480
670301:29:57,892 --> 01:30:00,478
6704or adapted from Robert Ludlum's work.
6705
67061481
670701:30:00,562 --> 01:30:02,229
6708But if the protagonist is to be believed,
6709
67101482
671101:30:02,313 --> 01:30:04,982
6712this drama is the ultimate handiwork
6713of Vladimir Putin
6714
67151483
671601:30:05,066 --> 01:30:08,360
6717and the intelligence successors
6718to the KGB.
6719
67201484
672101:30:08,445 --> 01:30:11,823
6722LA may be a lot safer than Mother Russia,
6723given the recent...
6724
67251485
672601:30:11,906 --> 01:30:13,450
6727-Bryan!
6728-[Fogel]  Yeah?
6729
67301486
673101:30:13,950 --> 01:30:17,620
6732Article is incredible. It's so very good.
6733
67341487
673501:30:18,204 --> 01:30:20,164
6736I am shocked. I'm reading twice.
6737
67381488
673901:30:20,247 --> 01:30:23,084
6740You know, Russia even cannot breathe.
6741
67421489
674301:30:23,167 --> 01:30:25,419
6744They still even don't respond.
6745
67461490
674701:30:25,503 --> 01:30:28,590
6748-Of course, there it is, midnight, but--
6749-[Fogel]  Let me stop you.
6750
67511491
675201:30:29,131 --> 01:30:32,134
6753-I just spoke to our lawyer.
6754-What happened?
6755
67561492
675701:30:32,218 --> 01:30:35,555
6758[Fogel]  They're not returning any
6759of his calls.
6760
67611493
676201:30:36,806 --> 01:30:37,807
6763I am arrested?
6764
67651494
676601:30:38,516 --> 01:30:42,478
6767[Fogel]  We don't know yet.
6768We're in a holding pattern.
6769
67701495
677101:30:45,940 --> 01:30:49,318
6772I am sitting locked in my home.
6773I'm a little bit afraid.
6774
67751496
677601:30:49,401 --> 01:30:51,654
6777[Fogel]  Let me get this done,
6778and I'll come by, okay?
6779
67801497
678101:30:51,738 --> 01:30:52,822
6782Putin will kill me.
6783
67841498
678501:30:54,157 --> 01:30:56,659
6786-[man 1]  Rodchenkov...
6787- [man 2]  ...allegations...
6788
67891499
679001:30:56,742 --> 01:30:59,454
6791[woman]  Dozens of Sochi medal winners
6792were part of a secret...
6793
67941500
679501:30:59,537 --> 01:31:00,913
6796[Rodchenkov] Nine, one, seven.
6797
67981501
679901:31:01,706 --> 01:31:04,500
6800[overlapping chatter in Russian]
6801
68021502
680301:31:04,584 --> 01:31:06,961
6804[exhales sharply] Okay.
6805
68061503
680701:31:07,587 --> 01:31:11,007
6808[man]  He has since fled Russia
6809because he said he feared for his life.
6810
68111504
681201:31:11,090 --> 01:31:14,426
6813[woman]  Russia's sports minister
6814has dismissed the claims as nonsense,
6815
68161505
681701:31:14,511 --> 01:31:17,972
6818adding they were a continuation
6819of the attack on Russian sport,
6820
68211506
682201:31:18,055 --> 01:31:20,975
6823which was backed up
6824by the deputy sports minister.
6825
68261507
682701:31:21,058 --> 01:31:24,604
6828[in Russian] So that this is clear
6829for everyone...
6830
68311508
683201:31:24,687 --> 01:31:28,190
6833there has never been
6834and there is not any doping program.
6835
68361509
683701:31:28,274 --> 01:31:32,028
6838[woman]  Vladimir Putin calls
6839the claims "the slander of a turncoat."
6840
68411510
684201:31:34,113 --> 01:31:36,574
6843[Fogel] We're meeting
6844with a white-collar attorney
6845
68461511
684701:31:36,658 --> 01:31:39,368
6848who has handled a lot of criminal cases.
6849
68501512
685101:31:39,451 --> 01:31:41,203
6852[man on phone]  What happened
6853with his other lawyer?
6854
68551513
685601:31:41,287 --> 01:31:44,498
6857[Fogel] His other lawyer,
6858they have a Moscow office.
6859
68601514
686101:31:44,582 --> 01:31:51,463
6862It appears that the firm got cold feet due
6863to a conflict of interest, they said.
6864
68651515
686601:31:52,256 --> 01:31:55,009
6867[man]  Thomas Bach,
6868who heads the IOC, said,
6869
68701516
687101:31:55,092 --> 01:31:56,427
6872"If this is true,
6873
68741517
687501:31:56,511 --> 01:32:00,014
6876it is an unimaginable level
6877of criminality."
6878
68791518
688001:32:00,181 --> 01:32:03,643
6881[woman]  The IOC
6882calling the report "very worrying."
6883
68841519
688501:32:03,726 --> 01:32:05,645
6886[man]  "We ask
6887the World Anti-Doping Agency
6888
68891520
689001:32:05,728 --> 01:32:07,897
6891to investigate immediately."
6892
68931521
689401:32:08,940 --> 01:32:11,192
6895[man 2]  The Justice Department
6896is opening an investigation
6897
68981522
689901:32:11,275 --> 01:32:13,861
6900into Russian government officials,
6901athletes, coaches
6902
69031523
690401:32:13,945 --> 01:32:15,655
6905and anti-doping authorities.
6906
69071524
690801:32:23,412 --> 01:32:25,582
6909[Fogel] This letter was sent by WADA.
6910
69111525
691201:32:25,665 --> 01:32:29,543
6913"Dear Grigory, in light of your recent
6914declarations to  The New York Times,
6915
69161526
691701:32:29,627 --> 01:32:31,545
6918we would like to meet to better understand
6919
69201527
692101:32:31,629 --> 01:32:34,465
6922the basis of your allegations
6923and your proposed way forward.
6924
69251528
692601:32:34,548 --> 01:32:38,094
6927Sincerely, David Howman
6928and Olivier Niggli."
6929
69301529
693101:32:38,845 --> 01:32:42,306
6932I'm talking tomorrow to another lawyer.
6933
69341530
693501:32:43,683 --> 01:32:44,684
6936So...
6937
69381531
693901:32:45,893 --> 01:32:49,396
6940He seems credible, but of course,
6941it's his word against Russia.
6942
69431532
694401:32:49,480 --> 01:32:51,315
6945[man in Russian]
6946There were older questions
6947
69481533
694901:32:51,398 --> 01:32:53,359
6950regarding Rodchenkov's mental health
6951in all this,
6952
69531534
695401:32:53,442 --> 01:32:55,402
6955as four years ago,
6956after a failed suicide attempt,
6957
69581535
695901:32:55,486 --> 01:32:58,322
6960he was placed into a mental institution,
6961
69621536
696301:32:58,405 --> 01:33:03,285
6964the diagnosis described
6965as the first stages of schizophrenia.
6966
69671537
696801:33:04,328 --> 01:33:07,915
6969[Rodchenkov]  What to do with my wife
6970and children? What they will know?
6971
69721538
697301:33:07,999 --> 01:33:10,835
6974Or I just disappear for them?
6975They'll go crazy.
6976
69771539
697801:33:11,460 --> 01:33:15,715
6979[Howman]  Bryan, this is David and Olivier.
6980We want this meeting to go ahead.
6981
69821540
698301:33:15,798 --> 01:33:17,592
6984Can you call us back?
6985
69861541
698701:33:19,761 --> 01:33:21,638
6988I'm not ready to answer.
6989
69901542
699101:33:25,892 --> 01:33:30,062
6992We need something lucky,
6993like it's  Alice in Wonderland,
6994
69951543
699601:33:30,146 --> 01:33:32,732
6997to rabbit's hole, to sit here.
6998
69991544
700001:33:32,815 --> 01:33:35,484
7001-[Fogel] I know.
7002-[Rodchenkov] To wait until it ends.
7003
70041545
700501:33:35,568 --> 01:33:38,237
7006[Fogel] I know. That's why I wanna...
7007[chuckles]
7008
70091546
701001:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,323
7011We're trying to get this...
7012To make it right.
7013
70141547
701501:33:41,407 --> 01:33:43,367
7016[Rodchenkov] But lawyer is trustful?
7017
70181548
701901:33:43,450 --> 01:33:45,787
7020-[Fogel] He is a big one.
7021-[Rodchenkov] He's a big one.
7022
70231549
702401:33:45,870 --> 01:33:48,080
7025-[Fogel] Yeah, top of the top of the top.
7026-[Rodchenkov] Yes.
7027
70281550
702901:33:48,164 --> 01:33:50,958
7030[man in Russian]
7031We are digging deeper into his identity.
7032
70331551
703401:33:52,043 --> 01:33:55,212
7035We've obtained
7036some of his exclusive documents.
7037
70381552
703901:33:58,716 --> 01:34:00,134
7040[woman in Russian]
7041Grigory Rodchenkov
7042
70431553
704401:34:00,217 --> 01:34:02,178
7045and American movie director Bryan Fogel,
7046
70471554
704801:34:02,261 --> 01:34:06,598
7049they talked many times
7050via e-mail and wrote...
7051
70521555
705301:34:07,474 --> 01:34:11,187
7054[man in Russian]
7055The FBI are following him closely,
7056
70571556
705801:34:11,270 --> 01:34:15,399
7059Grigory Rodchenkov himself mentioned
7060to his sister in a recent Skype call.
7061
70621557
706301:34:15,482 --> 01:34:18,235
7064[Marina in Russian]  Grish,
7065just sit tight. Don't be too impulsive.
7066
70671558
706801:34:18,319 --> 01:34:21,447
7069[Rodchenkov]  No, of course
7070I will not do anything...
7071
70721559
707301:34:21,530 --> 01:34:23,282
7074[Marina]  Of course. Absolutely.
7075
70761560
707701:34:23,365 --> 01:34:26,327
7078[Rodchenkov]  ...without the protection
7079of the FBI.
7080
70811561
708201:34:28,871 --> 01:34:30,247
7083[speaking Russian]
7084
70851562
708601:34:30,331 --> 01:34:32,291
7087[man speaking Russian]
7088
70891563
709001:34:32,374 --> 01:34:35,586
7091[in Russian] I refuse to make any
7092comments on this. I'm very sorry.
7093
70941564
709501:34:35,669 --> 01:34:40,091
7096I'm sure you have very intelligent people
7097who can explain all this.
7098
70991565
710001:34:43,385 --> 01:34:46,388
7101[Rodchenkov in Russian]  Honey, I already
7102spoke to the children. They're fine.
7103
71041566
710501:34:46,472 --> 01:34:50,101
7106[Veronika]  Grisha,
7107now it's another problem.
7108
71091567
711001:34:50,184 --> 01:34:51,769
7111I'm worried about you.
7112
71131568
711401:34:52,644 --> 01:34:54,605
7115[Rodchenkov]  I'll take care of this.
7116Just hold on.
7117
71181569
711901:34:54,688 --> 01:34:57,524
7120[Veronika]  This is what I'm worried about.
7121
71221570
712301:34:57,608 --> 01:35:01,237
7124They're turning us into the monster now.
7125
71261571
712701:35:02,863 --> 01:35:04,532
7128Or trying to.
7129
71301572
713101:35:04,615 --> 01:35:06,743
7132[Radchenkov] It's okay.
7133We'll get through this.
7134
71351573
713601:35:10,996 --> 01:35:13,374
7137[Veronika]  What do you want
7138to come of all this?
7139
71401574
714101:35:20,381 --> 01:35:22,549
7142[Rodchenkov in English]
7143"To the future or to the past,
7144
71451575
714601:35:25,344 --> 01:35:28,264
7147to a time when thought is free...
7148
71491576
715001:35:31,225 --> 01:35:35,104
7151when truth exists
7152and what is done cannot be undone."
7153
71541577
715501:35:38,482 --> 01:35:41,778
7156[Jim Walden]  What everyone
7157is interested in is the evidence he has,
7158
71591578
716001:35:41,861 --> 01:35:44,822
7161both in terms of the documents
7162on his computer
7163
71641579
716501:35:44,905 --> 01:35:48,159
7166and the cell phone
7167that he was using at the time.
7168
71691580
717001:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,913
7171Two people connected
7172with the Russian doping program are dead
7173
71741581
717501:35:51,996 --> 01:35:55,416
7176under circumstances
7177that seem highly suspect.
7178
71791582
718001:35:55,499 --> 01:35:58,002
7181One of the first things
7182that I learned from authorities
7183
71841583
718501:35:58,085 --> 01:35:59,837
7186when I came onto the case
7187
71881584
718901:35:59,921 --> 01:36:04,091
7190was that the Russian government
7191has the resources and the will.
7192
71931585
719401:36:04,175 --> 01:36:07,511
7195So we've had to develop
7196a very multi-stage protocol
7197
71981586
719901:36:07,595 --> 01:36:11,348
7200to minimize the chances our conversations
7201will be intercepted.
7202
72031587
720401:36:12,266 --> 01:36:14,768
7205The main concern
7206is that they would be able,
7207
72081588
720901:36:14,852 --> 01:36:18,230
7210through those communications,
7211to try to triangulate his location,
7212
72131589
721401:36:18,314 --> 01:36:23,569
7215and if they have agents
7216in the United States, then to do him harm.
7217
72181590
721901:36:27,489 --> 01:36:29,116
7220[man]  We're 84 days away
7221
72221591
722301:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,911
7224till the Summer Games
7225in Rio de Janeiro in Brazil.
7226
72271592
722801:36:32,494 --> 01:36:35,998
7229[woman]  Until now, there's
7230only been hard evidence about athletics,
7231
72321593
723301:36:36,082 --> 01:36:39,085
7234but this is pointing the finger
7235at a whole range of sports.
7236
72371594
723801:36:43,797 --> 01:36:47,343
7239[Fogel] As you know, there's a Department
7240of Justice investigation going.
7241
72421595
724301:36:47,426 --> 01:36:50,221
7244Grigory's been advised by his lawyer
7245
72461596
724701:36:50,304 --> 01:36:53,515
7248he should not be here
7249for security reasons.
7250
72511597
725201:36:55,226 --> 01:36:58,020
7253I worked with Grigory
7254over about six months
7255
72561598
725701:36:58,104 --> 01:37:02,566
7258to compile a record
7259of what happened in Russia.
7260
72611599
726201:37:03,650 --> 01:37:06,320
7263This is the spreadsheet
7264of every single athlete
7265
72661600
726701:37:06,403 --> 01:37:09,323
7268that was on the state-mandated protocol.
7269
72701601
727101:37:10,241 --> 01:37:13,035
7272What every single athlete was taking
7273in London,
7274
72751602
727601:37:13,119 --> 01:37:15,537
7277including their sample numbers
7278and collection.
7279
72801603
728101:37:16,080 --> 01:37:19,375
7282When Christiane goes back
7283and tests these samples correctly,
7284
72851604
728601:37:19,458 --> 01:37:21,835
7287she will basically find them all positive.
7288
72891605
729001:37:23,379 --> 01:37:26,840
7291And we have all their protocols
7292before the London Games.
7293
72941606
729501:37:29,176 --> 01:37:32,346
7296We have the same for Beijing.
7297
72981607
729901:37:33,014 --> 01:37:36,976
7300And this outlines
7301how Russia was collecting
7302
73031608
730401:37:37,059 --> 01:37:40,729
7305thousands and thousands
7306of clean samples for swapping.
7307
73081609
730901:37:40,812 --> 01:37:43,315
7310No, no, this we saw,
7311but we want to ask question
7312
73131610
731401:37:43,399 --> 01:37:46,110
7315as well as how it was done,
7316understanding--
7317
73181611
731901:37:46,193 --> 01:37:51,615
7320So, sodium chloride is added to the sample
7321to increase specific gravity.
7322
73231612
732401:37:51,698 --> 01:37:53,825
7325Many of these samples are gonna have
7326
73271613
732801:37:53,910 --> 01:37:58,705
7329a hundred times the sodium content
7330that should be in somebody's urine.
7331
73321614
733301:37:58,789 --> 01:38:00,457
7334Let me make sure I understand.
7335
73361615
733701:38:00,541 --> 01:38:04,461
7338They were taking the B
7339to be opened secretly?
7340
73411616
734201:38:04,545 --> 01:38:05,629
7343Yes.
7344
73451617
734601:38:05,712 --> 01:38:08,507
7347You said it was removed
7348after the Paralympic Games.
7349
73501618
735101:38:08,590 --> 01:38:11,468
7352Does it mean that it happened
7353also for the Paralympic Games?
7354
73551619
735601:38:11,552 --> 01:38:12,553
7357Yes, yes.
7358
73591620
736001:38:12,636 --> 01:38:16,890
7361Both the Olympic and the Paralympic Games,
7362they swapped urine.
7363
73641621
736501:38:17,891 --> 01:38:22,063
7366Vancouver was really the impetus
7367for the urine swapping operation.
7368
73691622
737001:38:22,146 --> 01:38:23,940
7371They only won a handful of medals,
7372
73731623
737401:38:24,023 --> 01:38:27,359
7375and to see to it that
7376that didn't happen again at Sochi.
7377
73781624
737901:38:27,901 --> 01:38:29,903
7380We'll find that out when--
7381
73821625
738301:38:29,987 --> 01:38:31,488
7384In terms of time-sensitive,
7385
73861626
738701:38:31,572 --> 01:38:33,532
7388London is more sensitive,
7389in the sense that
7390
73911627
739201:38:33,615 --> 01:38:35,576
7393these athletes are going
7394to the next Rio Games,
7395
73961628
739701:38:35,659 --> 01:38:36,660
7398not the winter ones.
7399
74001629
740101:38:36,743 --> 01:38:39,538
7402[Fogel] This is Sochi. This is London.
7403This is Beijing.
7404
74051630
740601:38:39,621 --> 01:38:42,083
7407This goes all the way back to 1968.
7408
74091631
741001:38:42,166 --> 01:38:46,128
7411There never was anti-doping in Russia.
7412Period. Ever.
7413
74141632
741501:38:46,212 --> 01:38:47,671
7416Across all summer sports?
7417
74181633
741901:38:47,754 --> 01:38:49,131
7420Every sport.
7421
74221634
742301:38:49,631 --> 01:38:50,632
7424[Christiane Ayotte] He's sorry?
7425
74261635
742701:38:52,468 --> 01:38:54,095
7428-Who's that?
7429-[Ayotte] Grigory.
7430
74311636
743201:38:54,178 --> 01:38:55,721
7433[man] I don't want to get into that.
7434
74351637
743601:38:55,804 --> 01:38:59,558
7437Do you think, as a scientist,
7438I am happy to have been in Sochi?
7439
74401638
744101:38:59,641 --> 01:39:03,187
7442And to everything...
7443We gave credibility to the lab.
7444
74451639
744601:39:03,270 --> 01:39:05,647
7447Do you think that I feel good today?
7448
74491640
745001:39:05,731 --> 01:39:08,900
7451Do you think that the athletes
7452who were cheated feel good?
7453
74541641
745501:39:08,985 --> 01:39:12,989
7456[Fogel] As angry as you guys might be,
7457I think the one thing...
7458
74591642
746001:39:14,991 --> 01:39:19,328
7461Grigory risked his life,
7462and is risking his life, to do this.
7463
74641643
746501:39:19,411 --> 01:39:22,873
7466He left his wife behind,
7467he left his children behind,
7468
74691644
747001:39:22,957 --> 01:39:26,669
7471he left all of his belongings behind,
7472all of his financial security behind.
7473
74741645
747501:39:27,586 --> 01:39:30,131
7476We're here to get everything out.
7477
74781646
747901:39:30,714 --> 01:39:31,632
7480Okay.
7481
74821647
748301:39:33,175 --> 01:39:35,511
7484[Fogel]  "Dear Mr. Fogel
7485and Dr. Rodchenkov,
7486
74871648
748801:39:35,594 --> 01:39:37,429
7489the IOC has full confidence
7490
74911649
749201:39:37,513 --> 01:39:39,931
7493in the authority
7494of Professor Richard McLaren
7495
74961650
749701:39:40,016 --> 01:39:43,310
7498and respects his judgment
7499to ensure a comprehensive inquiry.
7500
75011651
750201:39:43,394 --> 01:39:46,230
7503We will act swiftly
7504to take the necessary measures.
7505
75061652
750701:39:46,313 --> 01:39:49,775
7508Sincerely yours, Thomas Bach. President."
7509
75101653
751101:39:51,110 --> 01:39:53,654
7512[automated voice]
7513Transferring you to Richard McLaren.
7514
75151654
751601:39:55,281 --> 01:39:58,034
7517[McLaren]  You speak of them as being
7518orders. Are they actually orders?
7519
75201655
752101:39:58,117 --> 01:40:00,952
7522Nagornykh is ordering Grigory?
7523Or ordering the lab?
7524
75251656
752601:40:01,037 --> 01:40:02,163
7527Does it matter?
7528
75291657
753001:40:02,246 --> 01:40:05,916
7531Yes, Nagornykh is ordering Grigory.
7532
75331658
753401:40:05,999 --> 01:40:10,629
7535There's e-mails, like,
7536explicitly about soccer players.
7537
75381659
753901:40:10,712 --> 01:40:17,386
7540There's e-mails explicitly of,
7541you know, of weightlifters.
7542
75431660
754401:40:18,804 --> 01:40:20,847
7545And that essentially were...
7546
75471661
754801:40:20,931 --> 01:40:24,976
7549Of rowers, of swimmers...
7550
75511662
755201:40:25,686 --> 01:40:27,854
7553where Grigory had found the positive.
7554
75551663
755601:40:27,938 --> 01:40:31,108
7557[McLaren]  Then if they are
7558concerned about it,
7559
75601664
756101:40:31,192 --> 01:40:35,737
7562they find the right profile in the bank,
7563and pick that one out of the bank,
7564
75651665
756601:40:35,821 --> 01:40:39,533
7567and they run the analysis on that one?
7568
75691666
757001:40:39,616 --> 01:40:40,742
7571You got it.
7572
75731667
757401:40:40,826 --> 01:40:41,827
7575[McLaren]  I see.
7576
75771668
757801:40:42,453 --> 01:40:44,913
7579If this all can be proved,
7580it's quite mind-blowing.
7581
75821669
758301:40:45,497 --> 01:40:48,042
7584-The sooner I have it, the better.
7585-Okay.
7586
75871670
758801:40:48,584 --> 01:40:51,253
7589[McLaren]  It's important
7590to a lot of people around the world.
7591
75921671
759301:40:52,588 --> 01:40:54,256
7594-[Rodchenkov] We do it now?
7595-[Fogel] Yes.
7596
75971672
759801:41:07,811 --> 01:41:11,523
7599...Russian athletes could not credibly
7600return to international competition
7601
76021673
760301:41:11,607 --> 01:41:17,654
7604without undermining the confidence
7605of their competitors and the public.
7606
76071674
760801:41:18,697 --> 01:41:21,908
7609[man]  They are the pride and joy
7610of Russian sport.
7611
76121675
761301:41:21,992 --> 01:41:25,996
7614But track and field stars,
7615like pole-vaulter Yelena Isinbayeva,
7616
76171676
761801:41:26,079 --> 01:41:29,291
7619won't be going for gold
7620at next month's Rio Olympics,
7621
76221677
762301:41:29,375 --> 01:41:32,294
7624despite having friends in high places.
7625
76261678
762701:41:34,380 --> 01:41:36,423
7628[Yelena Isinbayeva speaking Russian]
7629
76301679
763101:41:37,133 --> 01:41:40,093
7632This is truly important to us, because...
7633
76341680
763501:41:41,512 --> 01:41:42,596
7636[sniffles]
7637
76381681
763901:41:45,599 --> 01:41:47,100
7640[audience applauding]
7641
76421682
764301:41:53,064 --> 01:41:56,943
7644Today, our track and field team
7645finds itself in a dire situation.
7646
76471683
764801:41:57,027 --> 01:41:59,488
7649We have been banned from the Olympics
7650
76511684
765201:41:59,571 --> 01:42:02,408
7653very aggressively,
7654without any evidence or proof.
7655
76561685
765701:42:07,120 --> 01:42:10,291
7658[man in Russian] Rodchenkov,
7659director of the Moscow WADA lab,
7660
76611686
766201:42:10,374 --> 01:42:12,626
7663was forced to resign from his position
7664
76651687
766601:42:12,709 --> 01:42:17,339
7667even though, when you think about it,
7668he was a brilliant doctor.
7669
76701688
767101:42:17,839 --> 01:42:22,261
7672So he's fired, and then somehow
7673ends up in the United States,
7674
76751689
767601:42:22,344 --> 01:42:25,306
7677where he subsequently took his story
7678to  The New York Times.
7679
76801690
768101:42:25,389 --> 01:42:28,684
7682Not exactly the smallest paper on Earth.
7683
76841691
768501:42:28,767 --> 01:42:30,769
7686He gets there,
7687he turns over all this information.
7688
76891692
769001:42:31,353 --> 01:42:34,356
7691Finally, he stated
7692that the entire doping program
7693
76941693
769501:42:34,440 --> 01:42:36,608
7696was in fact part of a state-run system.
7697
76981694
769901:42:36,692 --> 01:42:39,903
7700Whatever he claims,
7701
77021695
770301:42:40,654 --> 01:42:43,324
7704he is confusing himself
7705with the government.
7706
77071696
770801:42:44,200 --> 01:42:48,370
7709You see, all of his claims against
7710the government, he did himself.
7711
77121697
771301:42:48,454 --> 01:42:50,121
7714It was a solo act.
7715
77161698
771701:42:50,206 --> 01:42:53,459
7718So the swapping,
7719the destruction of samples,
7720
77211699
772201:42:53,542 --> 01:42:55,836
7723this was all just a farce?
7724
77251700
772601:42:55,919 --> 01:42:58,755
7727Again, I just don't see
7728how this is possible. How could it be?
7729
77301701
773101:42:58,839 --> 01:43:00,131
7732Please let me repeat,
7733
77341702
773501:43:00,216 --> 01:43:03,552
7736these allegations are not facts,
7737just rumors and speculations.
7738
77391703
774001:43:06,513 --> 01:43:08,557
7741[woman in English]  Welcome
7742to the McLaren Independent Commission
7743
77441704
774501:43:08,640 --> 01:43:10,309
7746news conference here in Toronto.
7747
77481705
774901:43:11,352 --> 01:43:15,606
7750In May, Professor McLaren was mandated
7751by the World Anti-Doping Agency
7752
77531706
775401:43:15,689 --> 01:43:17,733
7755with respect to the allegations made
7756
77571707
775801:43:17,816 --> 01:43:21,320
7759by the former director
7760of the WADA-accredited Moscow laboratory,
7761
77621708
776301:43:21,403 --> 01:43:23,572
7764Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov.
7765
77661709
776701:43:25,198 --> 01:43:29,661
7768The investigation has established
7769the findings set out in the report
7770
77711710
777201:43:29,745 --> 01:43:31,622
7773beyond a reasonable doubt.
7774
77751711
777601:43:32,206 --> 01:43:33,916
7777Our experts were to determine
7778
77791712
778001:43:33,999 --> 01:43:38,086
7781if samples had scratches and marks
7782on the inside of the bottle caps,
7783
77841713
778501:43:38,169 --> 01:43:41,298
7786representative of a tool used
7787to open the cap.
7788
77891714
779001:43:42,549 --> 01:43:45,636
7791Of the set of samples suspected
7792of being swapped...
7793
77941715
779501:43:47,220 --> 01:43:48,764
7796we were able to confirm...
7797
77981716
779901:43:50,432 --> 01:43:53,310
7800100% had evidence of tampering.
7801
78021717
780301:43:55,437 --> 01:43:57,814
7804We've conducted cyber
7805and forensic analysis,
7806
78071718
780801:43:57,898 --> 01:43:59,858
7809secured data from hard drives,
7810
78111719
781201:43:59,941 --> 01:44:03,111
7813and reviewed thousands of pages
7814of documents.
7815
78161720
781701:44:03,945 --> 01:44:09,075
7818The Moscow laboratory operated for
7819the protection of doped Russian athletes
7820
78211721
782201:44:09,701 --> 01:44:13,955
7823within a state-directed, fail-safe system.
7824
78251722
782601:44:16,082 --> 01:44:20,462
7827Ministry of Sport,
7828Deputy Minister of Sport Yuri Nagornykh,
7829
78301723
783101:44:20,546 --> 01:44:24,007
7832RUSADA, that's the anti-doping agency
7833in Russia,
7834
78351724
783601:44:24,090 --> 01:44:27,553
7837and the former director
7838of the Moscow testing laboratory
7839
78401725
784101:44:27,636 --> 01:44:30,096
7842were all involved in this operation
7843
78441726
784501:44:30,681 --> 01:44:33,475
7846with the active participation
7847and assistance
7848
78491727
785001:44:33,559 --> 01:44:37,521
7851of the Russian Federal Security Service,
7852formerly known as the KGB.
7853
78541728
785501:44:38,397 --> 01:44:41,900
7856The FSB, who had access to the Sochi lab
7857
78581729
785901:44:41,983 --> 01:44:44,235
7860under the guise
7861of the building maintenance contractor,
7862
78631730
786401:44:44,320 --> 01:44:46,530
7865can be identified in the evidence we have.
7866
78671731
786801:44:47,030 --> 01:44:48,574
7869Alex Mihailovich, RT.
7870
78711732
787201:44:48,657 --> 01:44:53,370
7873Rodchenkov himself is a person who's
7874under investigation in Russia currently.
7875
78761733
787701:44:53,454 --> 01:44:54,996
7878He took off from Russia.
7879
78801734
788101:44:55,080 --> 01:44:58,083
7882He seems to be a character
7883that you really can't rely on,
7884
78851735
788601:44:58,166 --> 01:45:00,961
7887and a lot of this relies on Rodchenkov.
7888
78891736
789001:45:01,044 --> 01:45:03,339
7891Does this compromise your work?
7892
78931737
789401:45:03,422 --> 01:45:06,091
7895He is a person in this investigation,
7896
78971738
789801:45:06,174 --> 01:45:08,677
7899but not the only person
7900in this investigation.
7901
79021739
790301:45:09,260 --> 01:45:13,974
7904I can say without a doubt,
7905Dr. Rodchenkov is telling the truth
7906
79071740
790801:45:14,057 --> 01:45:16,477
7909and was a truthful witness.
7910
79111741
791201:45:16,560 --> 01:45:18,729
7913I was able to corroborate that
7914
79151742
791601:45:18,812 --> 01:45:21,815
7917because of all the scientific
7918and forensic information.
7919
79201743
792101:45:22,858 --> 01:45:28,780
7922My team can demonstrate the existence
7923of this system beyond a reasonable doubt.
7924
79251744
792601:45:42,753 --> 01:45:45,464
7927[Reedie]  It was clear
7928from Richard McLaren's report
7929
79301745
793101:45:45,547 --> 01:45:48,091
7932that was contained
7933in our independent commission,
7934
79351746
793601:45:48,174 --> 01:45:50,677
7937it's proven that offenses were committed.
7938
79391747
794001:45:50,761 --> 01:45:55,098
7941So, I don't think anybody can accuse us
7942of sitting back and doing nothing.
7943
79441748
794501:46:00,270 --> 01:46:02,606
7946[man]
7947President Putin condemned the findings,
7948
79491749
795001:46:02,689 --> 01:46:05,484
7951saying the world is seeing
7952a dangerous recurrence
7953
79541750
795501:46:05,567 --> 01:46:07,193
7956of politics interfering in sport.
7957
79581751
795901:46:07,903 --> 01:46:09,279
7960[man]  Russia's government says
7961
79621752
796301:46:09,362 --> 01:46:13,867
7964any decision which collectively punishes
7965its competitors is unacceptable.
7966
79671753
796801:46:13,950 --> 01:46:15,619
7969Richard Conway, BBC News.
7970
79711754
797201:46:27,506 --> 01:46:28,799
7973[sighs]
7974
79751755
797601:46:41,144 --> 01:46:43,439
7977I'm gonna be rolling your hands
7978like that.
7979
79801756
798101:46:43,522 --> 01:46:45,857
7982Let me do all of the work.
7983It makes it easier for everybody.
7984
79851757
798601:46:47,943 --> 01:46:49,986
7987[Rodchenkov in Russian]
7988What were you all doing today?
7989
79901758
799101:46:50,070 --> 01:46:51,572
7992[Veronika]  We were worrying all day.
7993
79941759
799501:46:51,655 --> 01:46:54,575
7996But today,
7997I was paying for everything, bills, etc.
7998
79991760
800001:46:54,658 --> 01:46:56,785
8001[Rodchenkov]
8002Nika, we will get through this.
8003
80041761
800501:46:56,868 --> 01:46:58,328
8006Oh, you have new glasses!
8007
80081762
800901:46:59,079 --> 01:47:00,288
8010[Veronika]  Not that new.
8011
80121763
801301:47:01,790 --> 01:47:04,000
8014I have some sad news to tell you.
8015
80161764
801701:47:04,626 --> 01:47:05,461
8018Yes?
8019
80201765
802101:47:07,463 --> 01:47:09,881
8022I am going
8023into the witness protection program.
8024
80251766
802601:47:09,965 --> 01:47:11,257
8027-You are?
8028-Mm-hmm.
8029
80301767
803101:47:13,469 --> 01:47:14,803
8032Why?
8033
80341768
803501:47:14,886 --> 01:47:18,682
8036Because the current situation is unclear.
8037
80381769
803901:47:21,017 --> 01:47:22,811
8040-So, this is serious?
8041-Yes.
8042
80431770
804401:47:23,562 --> 01:47:24,813
8045For a while?
8046
80471771
804801:47:30,486 --> 01:47:32,571
8049I was thinking of you yesterday.
8050
80511772
805201:47:32,654 --> 01:47:34,114
8053Well, visa is just one thing, but--
8054
80551773
805601:47:34,197 --> 01:47:37,158
8057You are my bride
8058and keeper of the family and the dogs.
8059
80601774
806101:47:37,242 --> 01:47:41,997
8062Grigory, I was worrying all day,
8063and on top of that, trying to reach you.
8064
80651775
806601:47:42,080 --> 01:47:43,081
8067Don't tell anyone anything.
8068
80691776
807001:47:43,749 --> 01:47:46,960
8071Who would I even tell?
8072I don't see much of anyone these days.
8073
80741777
807501:47:47,043 --> 01:47:52,465
8076Maybe they'll pay off some officials
8077to sit in prison for some time?
8078
80791778
808001:47:52,549 --> 01:47:55,176
8081As a formality.
8082
80831779
808401:47:55,260 --> 01:47:57,053
8085I have to get going.
8086
80871780
808801:47:58,179 --> 01:47:59,848
8089-Veronika?
8090-Yes?
8091
80921781
809301:47:59,931 --> 01:48:06,437
8094You wrote down the lawyer's contact
8095information and have everything?
8096
80971782
809801:48:07,439 --> 01:48:08,940
8099You know what I'm talking about?
8100
81011783
810201:48:12,736 --> 01:48:16,072
8103Of course I understand.
8104It's just... This is all so sad.
8105
81061784
810701:48:29,502 --> 01:48:32,631
8108[man in English] Whatever packing
8109you need to do and getting dressed...
8110
81111785
811201:48:32,714 --> 01:48:34,090
8113[Rodchenkov] Okay. Okay.
8114
81151786
811601:48:44,768 --> 01:48:46,186
8117[speaking indistinctly]
8118
81191787
812001:48:51,316 --> 01:48:54,027
8121[Fogel] So, do we know
8122what, uh, you're gonna be able to...
8123
81241788
812501:48:54,110 --> 01:48:57,989
8126[Rodchenkov] I still don't know
8127how it will be organized.
8128
81291789
813001:48:58,073 --> 01:49:01,785
8131"Protection" means protection
8132that you don't know how it's organized.
8133
81341790
813501:49:03,620 --> 01:49:05,914
8136[Fogel] What do you foresee at this point?
8137
81381791
813901:49:07,791 --> 01:49:09,626
8140I will start writing book. [chuckles]
8141
81421792
814301:49:10,836 --> 01:49:12,713
8144Oh, we are on the first floor.
8145
81461793
814701:49:13,589 --> 01:49:14,756
8148Where is the exit?
8149
81501794
815101:49:21,512 --> 01:49:24,474
8152I wonder when I'm going to see you again.
8153
81541795
815501:49:25,809 --> 01:49:27,978
8156Don't worry. I'll be back. [laughs]
8157
81581796
815901:49:32,315 --> 01:49:36,778
8160[laughing] Bryan,
8161you are medium-sized monster!
8162
81631797
816401:49:36,862 --> 01:49:38,154
8165Remember me.
8166
81671798
816801:49:38,238 --> 01:49:39,280
8169[inaudible]
8170
81711799
817201:49:58,174 --> 01:50:02,888
8173We have decided today
8174that Russian athletes can compete in Rio.
8175
81761800
817701:50:06,599 --> 01:50:09,185
8178[Thomas Bach]  The International Sports
8179Federations
8180
81811801
818201:50:09,269 --> 01:50:13,940
8183will carry out individual analysis,
8184taking into account...
8185
81861802
818701:50:20,196 --> 01:50:23,283
8188[woman]  Anti-doping officials are fuming.
8189
81901803
819101:50:23,366 --> 01:50:26,912
8192The IOC going against the World
8193Anti-Doping Agency recommendations...
8194
81951804
819601:50:26,995 --> 01:50:29,331
8197-[starter gun sounds]
8198-[crowd cheering]
8199
82001805
820101:50:33,669 --> 01:50:36,629
8202[man]  ...Olympic champion.
8203Vlasov had won gold again.
8204
82051806
820601:50:59,235 --> 01:51:03,156
8207[Rodchenkov]  "Winston sank his arms
8208to his sides
8209
82101807
821101:51:03,239 --> 01:51:06,076
8212and slowly refilled his lungs with air.
8213
82141808
821501:51:12,165 --> 01:51:16,169
8216His mind slid away into
8217the labyrinthine world of doublethink.
8218
82191809
822001:51:18,046 --> 01:51:20,423
8221To know and not to know,
8222
82231810
822401:51:20,506 --> 01:51:26,096
8225to be conscious of complete truthfulness
8226while telling carefully constructed lies."
8227
82281811
822901:51:26,888 --> 01:51:27,848
8230[announcer]  Thomas Bach.
8231
82321812
823301:51:27,931 --> 01:51:31,226
8234[Rodchenkov]  "To repudiate morality
8235while laying claim to it.
8236
82371813
823801:51:37,565 --> 01:51:40,986
8239To forget whatever
8240it was necessary to forget..."
8241
82421814
824301:51:42,612 --> 01:51:45,949
8244[Bach]  Join and support
8245our fight for fair play.
8246
82471815
824801:51:46,032 --> 01:51:50,871
8249Respect the rules, play fair, be clean.
8250
82511816
825201:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,374
8253[Rodchenkov]  "...then to draw it back
8254into memory again
8255
82561817
825701:51:54,457 --> 01:51:56,709
8258at the moment when it was needed..."
8259
82601818
826101:51:56,793 --> 01:51:59,712
8262[Bach]  This decision is about justice.
8263
82641819
826501:51:59,796 --> 01:52:03,299
8266Justice has to be independent
8267from politics.
8268
82691820
827001:52:05,010 --> 01:52:06,636
8271Hurrah!
8272
82731821
827401:52:06,719 --> 01:52:09,514
8275[crowd] Hurrah!
8276
82771822
827801:52:09,597 --> 01:52:12,142
8279[Rodchenkov]  "...and then promptly
8280to forget it again."
8281
82821823
828301:52:17,688 --> 01:52:20,483
8284[man]  Fails a drug test,
8285is stripped of the gold medal...
8286
82871824
828801:52:20,566 --> 01:52:24,737
8289[Rodchenkov]  "...and above all, to apply
8290the same process to the process itself."
8291
82921825
829301:52:24,821 --> 01:52:26,656
8294[man]  Trying to make sure
8295your testimony's clear.
8296
82971826
829801:52:26,739 --> 01:52:31,036
8299How many times do I have to say it?
8300I've never taken drugs. How clear is that?
8301
83021827
830301:52:31,119 --> 01:52:33,496
8304[man] Okay. I think it's clear.
8305
83061828
830701:52:33,579 --> 01:52:36,082
8308[Rodchenkov]  "And if all others
8309accepted the lie,
8310
83111829
831201:52:36,166 --> 01:52:39,127
8313then the lie passed into history
8314and became truth."
8315
83161830
831701:52:40,420 --> 01:52:42,630
8318[in Russian] We've never had
8319a doping program in Russia.
8320
83211831
832201:52:42,713 --> 01:52:47,260
8323This is just impossible, unthinkable.
8324We would never do something like that.
8325
83261832
832701:52:47,343 --> 01:52:50,847
8328I don't even recall the name
8329of that citizen who defected,
8330
83311833
833201:52:50,931 --> 01:52:55,268
8333the one who ran
8334the Russian anti-doping lab.
8335
83361834
833701:52:55,351 --> 01:52:57,979
8338[Rodchenkov in English]
8339"Even to understand the word 'doublethink'
8340
83411835
834201:52:58,063 --> 01:53:00,606
8343involves the use of doublethink."
8344
83451836
834601:53:00,690 --> 01:53:03,734
8347[McLaren] We are now able to put
8348the findings of the first report
8349
83501837
835101:53:03,819 --> 01:53:05,904
8352into sharper and clearer focus.
8353
83541838
835501:53:05,987 --> 01:53:11,242
8356I can confirm, for years,
8357that spectators have been deceived.
8358
83591839
836001:53:12,202 --> 01:53:13,744
8361The desire to win medals
8362
83631840
836401:53:13,829 --> 01:53:18,249
8365superseded their collective moral
8366and ethical compass, and Olympic values...
8367
83681841
836901:53:18,333 --> 01:53:20,668
8370[Rodchenkov]  I was doing
8371in parallel two things
8372
83731842
837401:53:20,751 --> 01:53:24,714
8375which canceled out each other
8376in being fully contradictory.
8377
83781843
837901:53:30,303 --> 01:53:31,930
8380Doping and anti-doping.
8381
83821844
838301:53:36,684 --> 01:53:40,105
8384It was pure, exact doublethink.
8385
83861845
838701:53:44,817 --> 01:53:46,444
8388I was like a slave.
8389
83901846
839101:53:49,906 --> 01:53:51,574
8392Slavery was my freedom...
8393
83941847
839501:53:56,579 --> 01:53:57,914
8396till the end.
8397
83981848
839901:54:11,511 --> 01:54:12,637
8400So...
8401
84021849
840301:54:17,142 --> 01:54:18,101
8404truth.