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1[4:26 PM] Ark: Get out of the VC, Ike.
2[4:26 PM] Ark: Don't be a looooser
3[4:26 PM] Ike: Yeah yeah, it always does that.
4[4:27 PM] Ark: I know, lol
5[4:27 PM] Doperland: o7
6[4:27 PM] Ike: Alright
7[4:27 PM] Ark: Okay, now we list priories.
8[4:27 PM] Ike: Someone invite Harm
9[4:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I've already sent the link.
10[4:28 PM] Ark: GG
11[4:28 PM] Ike: 1. Get Harmoneia on our side, preferably to initiate a recall
122. Gauge support for a recall vote in hopes of taking our region back
13Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/17/2017
14[4:28 PM] Morozovia: Viva La Lazarus
15[4:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Calm down everyone for a sec, you're operating half blind :stuck_out_tongue:
16[4:28 PM] Ike: lol
17[4:28 PM] Ark: Then help us out, lol
18[4:28 PM] Omega: Howdy
19[4:29 PM] Ark: Heyo
20[4:29 PM] Wintermoot: We've already talked about a recall vote on our side
21[4:29 PM] Ark: Anyways I've got people working on anti-Funk propaganda.
22[4:29 PM] Ark: Good.
23[4:29 PM] Ark: Then we're almost on the same page.
24[4:29 PM] Ike: lol propaganda
25[4:29 PM] Ike: proud of u
26[4:30 PM] Ark: We need to recall him and get someone else into the Delegacy.
27[4:30 PM] Morozovia: But who?
28[4:30 PM] Ark: Well
29[4:30 PM] Ark: Ike, Amerion, Myself
30[4:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion.
31[4:30 PM] Ike: Doperland is our best option isn't he?
32[4:30 PM] Ike: Defender of the Realm, lot of endos
33[4:31 PM] Ark: We need someone who will do it longterm.
34[4:31 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Doperland is next in line if Funk is recalled.
35[4:31 PM] Doperland: I'm close to Funk so I guess I could hold it temporarily.
36[4:31 PM] Wintermoot: I've already written something up. Our intention was for me to post the motion of no confidence, since most others have been too involved in recent events, but if there's someone better they can take it and make it their own if they want.
37[4:31 PM] Ark: An election still gets triggered though
38[4:31 PM] Ike: Longterm then
39[4:31 PM] Ark: I think Harm should do it, WM
40[4:31 PM] Ike: ^
41[4:31 PM] Ike: I'm too controversial
42[4:31 PM] Ike: And Somy does R/D
43[4:31 PM] Ark: Poetic justice, as I said.
44[4:31 PM] Doperland: Everyone loves Harm, yeah.
45[4:31 PM] Ark: He tried to kick her out, she gets to return the favor.
46[4:31 PM] Omega: Can we get a Prelate masking?
47[4:32 PM] Wintermoot: Our concern was that Harm was too close to recent events, but if she wants to do it I'm all for it.
48[4:32 PM] Ike: One sec
49[4:32 PM] Ark: We'll see when she arrives here.
50[4:32 PM] Ike: There we go
51[4:32 PM] Ark: So doper takes the Delegacy temporarily, woke The election gets triggered by funk's recall
52[4:33 PM] Seraph: Yo.
53[4:33 PM] Ike: heyo
54[4:33 PM] Ark: Hey seraph
55[4:33 PM] Ark: *While
56[4:33 PM] Ike: Any ranks in the region I should mask you for?
57[4:33 PM] Seraph: As far as I can tell I'm still not a citizen, so I can't do much, but you have my full support.
58[4:33 PM] Ike: Ah
59[4:33 PM] Ike: You should apply then
60[4:33 PM] Seraph: I did, three days ago.
61[4:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he has, silly :stuck_out_tongue:(edited)
62[4:33 PM] Ike: bleh
63[4:33 PM] Seraph: *he
64[4:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): *he
65[4:33 PM] Ark: lol
66[4:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): sorry
67[4:33 PM] Ike: xD
68[4:33 PM] Seraph: That's okay.
69[4:34 PM] Ark: Okay, so we really do have to pick someone to be a long term, true Delegate.
70[4:34 PM] Seraph: I correct out of a desire for accuracy, not because I'm offended.
71[4:34 PM] Ike: No objections to Harm?
72[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): pick?
73[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Who are we here, "picking" delegates
74[4:34 PM] Ike: lol
75[4:34 PM] Ike: Yeah, I mean, if we win out, ostensibly we'll hold a democratic election
76[4:34 PM] Ark: We don't want to have everyone splitting into their own little cabals :stuck_out_tongue:
77[4:34 PM] Ike: Unless y'all wanna make a new political faction
78[4:35 PM] Omega: Hey so EW is refusing to acknowledge that he can't rule in cases so I'm tempted to recuse on the Amerion case to prevent it from going forward until EW can come to terms with the law.
79[4:35 PM] Ike: What happens if you don't recuse?
80[4:35 PM] Omega: They will find him guilty no matter what
81[4:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike: this is not a coup, this is working through the law to make the whole faction be shown to be in the wrong :stuck_out_tongue:
82[4:35 PM] Ike: >_>
83[4:35 PM] Ike: Right.
84[4:36 PM] Ark: No, it's not, but Lazarus is no better off if we all start warring over funk's leftovers.
85[4:36 PM] Ike: We're doing this legally as best we can
86[4:36 PM] Ike: @Omega best recuse yourself then and delay, delay, delay
87[4:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We have to get through making Funk into leftovers first.
88[4:36 PM] Ike: Delay like you're Mitch McConnell and 4 votes short
89[4:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If we do anything illegally, we've failed.
90[4:36 PM] Ike: Fair enough.
91[4:37 PM] Ike: We can all commit to sticking true to the law as far as it will take us
92[4:37 PM] Ike: Though obviously if he pulls a flat out coup, things will change
93[4:37 PM] Morozovia: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Is the whole LCA in on this?
94[4:37 PM] Morozovia: Lol
95[4:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no, why should they? :stuck_out_tongue:
96[4:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Katie's not voting in the council anymore
97[4:37 PM] Morozovia: Idk... seems all but one is here
98[4:37 PM] Morozovia: Oh aww
99[4:38 PM] Atlantica: We really ought to get Roavin, CoS and Escade in here. They're not particularly important internally, especially Escade and Roavin, but they are all important in foreign policy if it comes down to a coup given their power in TGW/TSP, TRR and TSP respectively. I'm confident that they'll be on our side.
100[4:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): EW basically forced her into that...
101[4:38 PM] Ike: I talked to Roavin
102[4:38 PM] Ike: He doesn't want to get involved
103[4:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Atlantica We have CoS on the line.
104[4:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
105[4:38 PM] Ike: Or else TGW is prone to being accused of trying to puppet regions
106[4:38 PM] Ark: Mhm.
107[4:39 PM] Ark: So recall Funk, get doper into the temporary Delegacy, and then... figure it out from there?(edited)
108[4:40 PM] Ike: Well, honestly
109[4:40 PM] Ike: We might want to organize a constitutional convention
110[4:40 PM] Ike: The mandate is so god damn convoluted
111[4:40 PM] Ike: Needs to be slimmed down and simplified
112[4:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You're thinking too far ahead, there's the immediate stuff to deal with.
113[4:40 PM] Ike: ^
114[4:40 PM] Wintermoot: Mm, let's just get through today
115[4:40 PM] Ark: Fair. enough
116[4:41 PM] Doperland: As said before, we aren't throwing a coup.
117[4:41 PM] Omega: I'm recusing now
118[4:41 PM] Ike: Good, good
119[4:43 PM] Ike: Who was the one who had that chart of citizens?
120[4:44 PM] Atlantica: I think that was Somy.
121[4:44 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia)
122[4:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
123[4:44 PM] Ike: Alright so
124[4:44 PM] Ike: Do you think we should start talking to people listed on that chart and see if they'll support a recall effort?
125[4:44 PM] Ike: We're gonna need to bring out as much turnout as we can
126[4:45 PM] Wintermoot: On the other hand, you run the risk of them finding out about it and gathering their own support.
127[4:45 PM] Ike: True. But we should stick to the people who voted against Funk's bloc for now to minimize that risk.
128[4:46 PM] Omega: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10253907/1/#new
129[4:47 PM] Atlantica: That's not enough people to force through a recall. It wasn't enough people to stop the confirmations of Wolf and confirm CoS.
130[4:47 PM] Ike: Exemplary
131[4:47 PM] Ike: That's true
132[4:47 PM] Omega: Is the recusal statement good?
133[4:47 PM] Ark: It was enough to stop them from nixing harm.
134[4:47 PM] Ike: It's, as I said, exemplar
135[4:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not anymore @Ark with all the new citizens
136[4:47 PM] Ike: Yeah but don't recalls have to be two thirds
137[4:48 PM] Ark: Dammit.
138[4:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We have at least a 4 vote deficit.
139[4:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): At least.
140[4:48 PM] Ark: Is there any way we can get citizenship removed from anyone on the other side?
141[4:48 PM] Ark: Perhaps by proving importation?
142[4:49 PM] Omega: Perhaps
143[4:49 PM] Ike: That depends entirely on the status of the courts, I think
144[4:49 PM] Doperland: Are there people on the other side we can get to support us?
145[4:49 PM] Ike: Maybe Vapid
146[4:49 PM] Ark: If anyone has dirt on one of them or favors to call in, now's the time :stuck_out_tongue:
147[4:49 PM] Ike: He's a decent chap
148[4:49 PM] Ark: Vapid is friendly to us, yeah.
149[4:50 PM] Ark: It's risky though.
150[4:50 PM] Atlantica: I said this to Ark and I'll say it here: the only way to stop the raider bloc is to get our own bloc. People who are connected to the NPO need to get NPO people; same with TGW, with TSP, with FORGE (although Lenny's already doing that), etc.
151[4:50 PM] Omega: Can we get Escade in here?
152[4:50 PM] Ike: Escade is a citizen?
153[4:50 PM] Omega: I thought she was
154[4:50 PM] Ike: Double check on that
155[4:50 PM] Atlantica: She applied a few days ago and was accepted
156[4:51 PM] Ike: See if she's on our side then, because if she came in with the wave, we never know
157[4:51 PM] Ark: Look, everyone
158[4:51 PM] Ark: This
159[4:51 PM] Ark: What we are discussing
160[4:51 PM] Ark: Is voter importation, through and through
161[4:52 PM] Ark: This is stooping for the purpose of stopping.
162[4:52 PM] Ike: I don't want to have to bring in people from outside the region
163[4:52 PM] Ark: And I want you all to take a long minute to think about it, is all.
164[4:52 PM] Omega: We don't bring anyone else into Laz. Only people who are here
165[4:52 PM] Ike: ^
166[4:52 PM] Ark: I wish Perg wasn't PNG, he knows how to rattle funk like no one else.
167[4:52 PM] Doperland: Again, we're not throwing a coup. We're fixing our region.
168[4:53 PM] Ark: Yes.
169[4:53 PM] Ike: In terms of endorsements, sure, if worse comes to worse, we should organize foreign help to fight for Lazarene democracy
170[4:53 PM] Atlantica: We don't have enough people if we don't import people, period.
171[4:53 PM] Ike: But as far as legal goes
172[4:53 PM] Ike: This is a matter for purely Lazarenes
173[4:53 PM] Ark: And for the record, aside from myself and Svez, NPO is not and will not be involved here.
174[4:53 PM] Ark: My actions and his actions don't represent the Pacific in any way, okay?
175[4:54 PM] Atlantica: It's not ideal, but Funk and Lamb forced our hand by inviting raiderdom.
176[4:54 PM] Ike: Look everyone
177[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Fully agreed with Ark and Omega, no bringing more people in.
178[4:54 PM] Ike: before we get to discussing important
179[4:54 PM] Wintermoot: If you can't save the region without doing what they're doing, there's nothing in the region left worth saving.
180[4:54 PM] Ike: *importation
181[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^^^
182[4:54 PM] Ike: We need to focus on how we can delegitimize the upper hand that Funk has brought in
183[4:54 PM] Ark: They did, but we have to fight on our own terms. Better to go down with pride than to succeed knowing you're no better than the person you're replacing.
184[4:54 PM] Ike: We've got little hope of fighting in a recall vote as things stand
185[4:55 PM] Omega: I'm trying to show he has no knowledge and respect of our laws and willfully compromised the sanctity of the court
186[4:55 PM] Ark: If we can't recall him, maybe we can recall his support.
187[4:55 PM] Ike: We should explore our options to see that the citizenships of the wave are invalid
188[4:55 PM] Ike: And yes, we might be able to reason with his votebots
189[4:55 PM] Ike: They are, after all, votebots
190[4:56 PM] Ark: We can try to use Lamb's repeated bullying attempts as differ to get him recalled.
191[4:56 PM] Ark: *fodder
192[4:56 PM] Omega: Lamb bullied me
193[4:56 PM] Omega: 
194
195[4:56 PM] Ike: But Lamb didn't commit a crime like Funk did
196[4:56 PM] Ark: I've seen the screenshot.
197[4:56 PM] Ike: well
198[4:56 PM] Ark: That's close to harassment, tbh.
199[4:56 PM] Ark: If we can compile more
200[4:56 PM] Ark: Might have a shot.
201[4:56 PM] Omega: 
202
203[4:56 PM] Ike: He's clearly trying to get a rise
204[4:57 PM] Omega: Well yeah. I just wanted to shut him down
205[4:57 PM] Ark: Another thing, and for this we need everyone's thinking cap on
206[4:57 PM] Ike: You can tell him that you're not being manipulated by anyone, you are standing up for democracy in Lazarus against a Delegate who has broken the law
207[4:57 PM] Ark: Evil Wolf.
208[4:57 PM] Ike: Yeah.
209[4:57 PM] Ark: We need to neutralize him.
210[4:57 PM] Ike: Somehow
211[4:57 PM] Ark: Or neuter him
212[4:57 PM] Ark: Metaphorically speaking
213[4:57 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
214[4:58 PM] Morozovia: Lamb is known for trying to put people down and in doubt, then funk jumps on it
215👌1
216[4:58 PM] Ark: What if we blitzed a few recall votes at once? Recall EW as a Guardian and Lamb as an Archbishop. Don't announce it in the main chat, just through these back channels so we have a huge head start on voting.
217[4:59 PM] Ark: Announce it after there's an entire page of "aye"s(edited)
218[4:59 PM] Omega: I'm shutting his power on the court
219[4:59 PM] Ike: Well, what's the minimum amount of debate and voting time for a recall effort?
220[4:59 PM] Wintermoot: I'm pretty sure they're watching the forums, too lol
221[4:59 PM] Ark: Yes, but we need to discredit him as well.
222[4:59 PM] Ike: Yeah, clearly they're monitoring the situation
223[4:59 PM] Ark: Sorry, connection
224[5:00 PM] Ark: We need to as well.
225[5:00 PM] Omega: Ok doing what I can do
226[5:00 PM] Ark: You're helping a lot.
227[5:00 PM] Ark: But we still have to take EW out of the picture somehow.
228[5:00 PM] Ike: Is there any legal basis for submitting a criminal complaint against Funk to the courts?
229[5:00 PM] Omega: I can only stop the court for so long.
230[5:01 PM] Omega: Ike even if we did it wouldn't matter, they have the majority on it and they seem determined to ignore the law to serve their own interests.
231[5:01 PM] Ike: I know
232[5:01 PM] Ike: What's the court composition again?
233[5:01 PM] Ark: Is there anything we can do to distract EW?
234[5:01 PM] Omega: Me, Adytus, EW
235[5:01 PM] Ark: Take his attention away?
236[5:02 PM] Ike: Adytus eh
237[5:02 PM] Ike: Yeah, he's a right rat
238[5:02 PM] Ark: Maybe we can screw around with LWU itself.
239[5:02 PM] Omega: How??
240[5:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): get the LCA to detag LWU stuff :yum:
241[5:02 PM] Omega: Do we have any friends in LWU?
242[5:03 PM] Ark: I dunno, raid it? :stuck_out_tongue:
243[5:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can't sorry Ark :frowning:
244[5:03 PM] Ark: Delegate has 2 endorsements
245[5:03 PM] Omega: Talk to the SPSF. They might help
246[5:03 PM] Ark: Just something to take his eye off of Lazarus.
247[5:03 PM] Omega: Right
248[5:03 PM] Atlantica: We need to recall Adytus as well. There are  logs, some of which have been leaked and others that are still hidden in the Council of Viziers channel, of him conspiring to gain power in Lazarus and TSP.
249[5:03 PM] Omega: Make him slip.
250[5:03 PM] Omega: Yes there are.
251[5:03 PM] Ark: Can you post them here?
252[5:04 PM] Ike: @Atlantica really now?
253[5:04 PM] Omega: I can find the TSP ones
254[5:04 PM] Atlantica: Yup.
255[5:04 PM] Ark: We need every last scoop of dirt on them.
256[5:04 PM] Atlantica: I have a 500-page document of the entire logs of the Council of Viziers up until I was fired on Google Docs.
257[5:05 PM] Ike: you were fired?
258[5:05 PM] Ark: Jesus
259[5:05 PM] Ike: And wew jesus murphy
260[5:05 PM] Atlantica: I haven't read it all, but in the course of getting them I read some pretty interesting shit.
261[5:05 PM] Ike: What kind of shit?
262[5:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): This is what comes of being a super NS history guy :stuck_out_tongue:
263[5:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I nominate Atlantica to professor
264[5:06 PM] Morozovia: I second that
265[5:06 PM] Ike: lel
266[5:06 PM] Ike: Truly a father of the revolution
267[5:06 PM] Ike: Granted, the last time I started a Communist party with Atlantica, he orchestrated a coup against me, but still... :stuck_out_tongue:
268[5:07 PM] Atlantica: For example, the entire LLA application by EW that led to the creation of the Honor Guard? Cormac or Adytus, can't remember who, fed EW his legal arguments that said that he had the right to join the LLA per the Mandate.
269[5:07 PM] Morozovia: Whats a party without having fun right? :yum:
270[5:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): well well
271[5:07 PM] Ike: jesus
272[5:08 PM] Atlantica: I can't find it right now because I'm on mobile, but I'll find them when I get access to a computer.
273[5:08 PM] Ike: Cormac's a slimy one, I can tell you that
274[5:08 PM] Morozovia: So are we gonna recall all at once?
275[5:09 PM] Omega: http://tspforums.xyz/thread-4945.html
276The South Pacific
277[5:09 PM] Atlantica: Also, this isn't history or anything like that. This is pure old-school intel.
278[5:10 PM] Ark: We are allies to TSP
279[5:10 PM] Ike: Clever bastard
280[5:10 PM] Ark: so this might be almost enough.
281[5:10 PM] Atlantica: Anyways, I need to run. Talk to you later!
282[5:10 PM] Ark: See ya
283[5:10 PM] Ike: Weren't we supposed to bring Harmoneia in here?
284[5:11 PM] Ark: Somy sent her an invite link.
285[5:12 PM] Morozovia: Is she on our side
286[5:12 PM] Ike: Ostensibly
287[5:13 PM] Doperland: Hopefully.
288[5:13 PM] Ark: She's definitely against funk. That's a start.
289[5:13 PM] Morozovia: Ighty
290[5:13 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) any progress on that?
291[5:14 PM] Morozovia: We should atleast convince her to hear us out and see that many people sees what's going on
292[5:14 PM] Ark: If our two groups don't become one, and soon, then we've failed.
293[5:15 PM] Omega: I have told the TSP del if the situation gets much worse I will recommend TSP end their treaty with Laz(edited)
294[5:15 PM] Ark: We've let the oldest, proudest Sinker fall into raider hands.
295[5:15 PM] Ark: So everyone?
296[5:15 PM] Ark: Don't let that shit happen.
297[5:15 PM] Omega: Here here
298[5:16 PM] Ike: I'll drink to that
299[5:16 PM] Ike: Hell, I'll drink to anything
300[5:16 PM] Omega: We should get some sodas in here
301[5:16 PM] Ark: I'm drinking to that right now, lol.
302[5:16 PM] Ark: pops a bottle of sparkling cider
303[5:16 PM] Ike: Ouzo for me.
304[5:17 PM] Ark: That's for the young-uns
305[5:17 PM] Omega: I like sprite
306[5:17 PM] Ark: And whiskey for moi
307[5:17 PM] Ark: tosses Omega a sprite
308[5:17 PM] Ike: Whiskey and rum
309[5:17 PM] Omega: And some of that cherry syrup
310[5:18 PM] Omega: That stuff is the the shit
311[5:18 PM] Ark: that too
312[5:18 PM] Ike: Long as we keep the cough syrup out of it
313[5:18 PM] Omega: Okay so what do we with the court?
314[5:18 PM] Omega: Long term that is the problem
315[5:18 PM] Ike: Well
316[5:18 PM] Ike: Legally, no sitting judges are valid right now, are they?
317[5:19 PM] Omega: Short term is the voter importation
318[5:19 PM] Ark: How many successsful coups have there been in the last few years?
319[5:20 PM] Ike: Well, there was Cormac's coup last year
320[5:20 PM] Morozovia: Too many
321[5:20 PM] Ark: I mean long term successful
322[5:20 PM] Ike: Most regional officers at the top seized power through an incumbent delegate after he lost an election
323[5:20 PM] Ark: Not like
324[5:20 PM] Ark: "Took The Delegacy for a week"(edited)
325[5:20 PM] Ike: Well, the government established by him and Tim still stands
326[5:20 PM] Ark: That's one
327[5:20 PM] Ark: How many failed?
328[5:21 PM] Omega: I would argue that Adytus and I are legally residing but that the votes need to be recounted for EW and CoS
329[5:21 PM] Omega: TSP was couped
330[5:21 PM] Ike: The NLO coup was perpetrated some two years ago now
331[5:21 PM] Ike: The incumbents were betrayed by a slingshot delegate
332[5:21 PM] Ike: But this was before regional officers
333[5:21 PM] Ark: So, basically, majority of coups in the last few years have failed miserably?
334[5:21 PM] Morozovia: Well the PRL was a mass supported people's republic and was made by Harm and Milo... that lasted till it was couped and taken over by outsiders too
335[5:21 PM] Ike: I think there just haven't been any of note
336[5:22 PM] Ark: I was thinking
337[5:22 PM] Ark: It might actually be easier to fight
338[5:22 PM] Ark: If we push Funk to coup.
339[5:22 PM] Ike: That would give us as good a reason as any to start pulling outside forces to intervene and preserve Lazarene democracy
340[5:22 PM] Ike: Instead of keeping this as a purely internal legalistic citizens' battle over technocracy
341[5:23 PM] Ark: Exactly.
342[5:23 PM] Ike: If you could get the NPO to commit to helping if that ended up happening, then it might be feasible
343[5:23 PM] Morozovia: Who all have fourm admin control?
344[5:23 PM] Ike: I don't know where Roavin would stand on letting TGW help
345[5:23 PM] Ike: Uh, New Rogernomics I think
346[5:23 PM] Wintermoot: Last I saw, Funk has ~60 more endorsements than anyone else
347[5:23 PM] Ike: Only 60
348[5:23 PM] Wintermoot: That's a significant lead
349[5:23 PM] Ike: True
350[5:23 PM] Wintermoot: And KK is 2nd
351[5:24 PM] Ark: I can guarantee NPO support, but I can tell you some elements in TP would love to stick it to Funkadelia.
352[5:24 PM] Ike: I can find elements everywhere on this site that want to stick it to him.
353[5:24 PM] Ark: *can't
354[5:24 PM] Ark: Sorry
355[5:24 PM] Ike: Ah
356[5:24 PM] Ark: But
357[5:25 PM] Ark: Doesn't mean they can't be convinced.
358[5:25 PM] Ike: It would be quite the irony if the NPO ended up being the force that saved Lazarus
359[5:25 PM] Morozovia: Right lmao
360[5:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If the NPO can fight for GCR and Lazarus's sovereignty beyond their own motives, I'd have no problem with it.
361[5:26 PM] Morozovia: Tell them it's a good way to end all jokes about the 2 years before
362[5:26 PM] Ark: I like those full-circle, poetic-justice type moments.
363[5:27 PM] Ark: You have to remember, GCR Sovereignty has always been our core goal, regardless of some of the admittedly lackluster methods of achieving it. We've learned our lesson.
364[5:29 PM] Morozovia: Not to be all party MSL like... but "What about the Minnows"? We will need the masses support too, and let them kmow whats up when the time comes. Funk can easily cry "coup" and they would believe it if not up to date with whats going on in government
365[5:29 PM] Ike: That's the problem with the masses
366[5:29 PM] Ike: We need to have them on our side somehow, and that takes broadcasting power
367[5:29 PM] Morozovia: Not if we tg rhem first
368[5:29 PM] Ike: true
369[5:30 PM] Ark: Amerion is considering a TG campaign.
370[5:30 PM] Morozovia: I'd be willing to go through everyone and tg them. Just need a good copy of the true messege and what's going on.
371[5:31 PM] Ark: Or just get Telegram stamps :stuck_out_tongue:
372[5:31 PM] Morozovia: If we send one out to everyone then Lamb and Funk will quick to action
373[5:32 PM] Morozovia: We should do this only if no other choice though... cause yeah.. conspiracy blah blah (even though to save democracy)
374[5:32 PM] Ark: Which is why it's last in the list of to-do's
375[5:34 PM] Morozovia: Shouldn't we all be blowing up that point of order Aumelodia made?
376[5:35 PM] Svezjacael: Bonjour?
377[5:35 PM] Morozovia: Show of mass support might put them in the place to agree for updating and correcting
378[5:35 PM] Ike: hola
379[5:35 PM] Svezjacael: What've I missed?
380[5:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): A lot.
381[5:35 PM] Morozovia: Dinner... youre late
382[5:36 PM] Svezjacael: Can I still have dessert?
383Anyways, SITREP? I took my police exam recently so I have my return now.
384[5:36 PM] Ike: Well
385[5:36 PM] Morozovia: :cookie:
386[5:36 PM] Ike: Lot of beer in the fridge
387[5:36 PM] Ike: Watered down shit stolen from an all-inclusive in Santo Domingo but it'll do
388[5:36 PM] Ike: Anyway
389[5:36 PM] Ike: Things to note:
390[5:37 PM] Ike: 1. Funk has broken the law and is trying to game our democracy to puppet Lazarus for him, Lamb and their LWU buddies
391[5:37 PM] Ike: 2. We're organizing a means to stop this and get him and his cronies out of office as soon as we can
392[5:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we really be so decisive on "he's broken the law"?
393[5:37 PM] Ark: We can.
394[5:38 PM] Ike: Well, it's our working assumption
395[5:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He may have broken the law, we don't know because we have no prelates :stuck_out_tongue:
396[5:38 PM] Ike: >_>
397[5:38 PM] Ark: We don't have the burden of evidence, but we all know he's done it. Evidence is the key there.
398[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: We have no prelates
399[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: We
400[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: What
401[5:38 PM] Ike: We have evidence right out in the open
402[5:38 PM] Ark: @Svezjacael we dot have any prelates who are valid atm
403[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: ...
404[5:39 PM] Ark: Omega has chosen to recuse every case brought before the court in order to stall the LWU peeps
405[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I refused to assent to KK
406[5:39 PM] Ark: It's a good thing, kinda
407[5:39 PM] Svezjacael: I'm studying for two weeks, and Lazarus is fracturing. sigh what're the LWU doing about it?
408[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Then there's a legal inquiry where either decision would make a prelate or two illegal
409[5:39 PM] Ark: Bending the law.
410[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
411[5:40 PM] Morozovia: We'll need some sort of backing to back up our recall... or else its just a post saying we dont like how he and people who voted his policys are running Lazarus democracy
412[5:40 PM] Ark: And we need you in the legislative, throwing as many wrenches in their legislation as you can Svez.
413[5:40 PM] Ike: We should start compiling evidence
414[5:40 PM] Ark: Atlántica and I can pretty easily cripple the Executive.
415[5:40 PM] Ike: How so?
416[5:40 PM] Svezjacael: Convenor at service. Question. Can I recall deputy convenors?
417[5:40 PM] Omega: Someone asked if we should blow up the point of order and yes we should
418[5:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
419[5:40 PM] Omega: Yes anytime
420[5:41 PM] Svezjacael: Are 13th &/or Tom on Funk's side?
421[5:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Tom is
422[5:41 PM] Morozovia: We all should right now then
423[5:41 PM] Ike: 13th is a tricky one
424[5:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th is basically an innocent child :stuck_out_tongue:
425[5:41 PM] Morozovia: Poor guy(edited)
426[5:41 PM] Svezjacael: I'll recall deputies under the guise of "the unstable situation"
427[5:41 PM] Omega: Okay sounds good
428[5:42 PM] Ike: Who are the deputies?
429[5:42 PM] Omega: 13th, and tom??
430[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): They're like your little servants, you can do whatever you want with them and no one can complain :stuck_out_tongue:
431[5:42 PM] Omega: Well no one should complain
432[5:42 PM] Svezjacael: Well, not whatever lmao
433[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yay making the goverrnment even more unstable >.>
434[5:42 PM] Omega: It will force them to coup
435[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hey, I used to keep mine in the pantry....
436[5:42 PM] Ike: It forces their hand, eh?
437[5:42 PM] Omega: Yep
438[5:43 PM] Omega: Also a public show of support for my decision to recuse myself would be nice
439[5:43 PM] Ike: Where would that show of support go, in your idea?
440[5:44 PM] Svezjacael: Well, okay, taking Cosmo into account and addressing my  own elephant in the room, I'm dual citizen. Back in TP I do a lot of propaganda. @Ike are you in favor of an underground paper?
441[5:44 PM] Omega: Either the point of order thread or the criminal complaint thread.
442[5:44 PM] Omega: I am a tri citizen (here, Osiris, and TSP) and I operate a media group in TSP
443[5:44 PM] Morozovia: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10252343/1/
444[5:44 PM] Ark: Svez can push out some eye-watering content when he wants to.
445[5:45 PM] Ark: But we aren't going for sad here, Comrade.
446[5:45 PM] Ark: We want Lazarus Pissed.
447[5:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion already has an independent little article series
448[5:45 PM] Svezjacael: And if Lazarus is being attacked, esp from the inside, I'll make nsgp's guts twist.
449[5:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): one from Svez'd be good
450[5:45 PM] Ike: An underground paper, you say
451[5:45 PM] Svezjacael: Good. I'll get a story started then. Laptop starting up.
452[5:45 PM] Ark: Whatever you can do, we need to forge the revolution in fire :stuck_out_tongue:
453[5:45 PM] Ike: Yes, I'm in favor of that
454[5:46 PM] Svezjacael: Brb
455[5:46 PM] Ike: We can call it Solidarity or something
456[5:46 PM] Omega: Wait do we know who is writing the thing that was posted in GP?
457[5:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I may have an idea, I think Ark knows?
458[5:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): In any case it's not essential, just one mroe log on the fire
459[5:48 PM] Omega: Altmoras seems sympathetic(edited)
460[5:48 PM] Ark: The person who wrote that thing in GP is on our side, but I will not be revealing their identity.
461[5:49 PM] Omega: Okay
462[5:49 PM] Ark: Amd i think I know what you're talking about @Somyrion (Aumelodia). Share it with the rest of the class :stuck_out_tongue:
463[5:49 PM] Omega: I can write some stuff to start getting TSP mad at Laz
464[5:49 PM] Omega: When the time comes of course
465[5:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ark wha?
466[5:50 PM] Ark: You said you have an idea?
467[5:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh
468[5:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll remain silent for now
469[5:51 PM] Ark: >.>
470[5:51 PM] Svezjacael: Laptop loaded up
471[5:52 PM] Svezjacael: Anyways, if we publish an underground paper, it'll be anonymously posted, we can work on a GDoc to share it so whoever commands the puppet to post to NSGP can access the thing entire.
472[5:52 PM] Ike: Good idea
473[5:52 PM] Omega: Sounds good. I'd be willing to help write for it.
474[5:53 PM] Ike: We have a name?
475[5:53 PM] Omega: The Guardian? Solidarity? The Unionist?
476[5:53 PM] Ike: the guardian xD
477[5:53 PM] Omega: I know I know
478[5:54 PM] Ark: The Lazarene Underground seems fine
479[5:54 PM] Ark: Imho
480[5:54 PM] Ike: I dunno. Has a bit of a subversive vibe
481[5:54 PM] Ike: Solidarity has history as a democratic movement that brought down a bunch of authoritarian asshats, I think it fits well
482[5:55 PM] Omega: Okay
483[5:55 PM] Ark: The Lazarene Guardian (that didn't get recalled)
484[5:55 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
485[5:55 PM] Svezjacael: I'll go make a transparent header for it.
486[5:55 PM] Ike: Radio Free Lazarus
487[5:55 PM] Morozovia: Solidarity seem good
488[5:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can make a header :stuck_out_tongue:
489[5:55 PM] Morozovia: @Ark xD
490[5:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): please no taunts about solidarity the restorer org D:
491[5:56 PM] Svezjacael: Given you're likely far better than I am at graphics, I'll let you do it Som. lol
492[5:57 PM] Omega: Hey guys @Griffindor is lazarene. Came in the early stages when I was trying to get some allies to help (like seraph)
493[5:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): kay :stuck_out_tongue:
494[5:57 PM] Griffindor: Hello
495[5:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): anything specifically you want on it? :stuck_out_tongue:
496[5:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hello
497[5:58 PM] Andrew: quite a read
498[5:59 PM] Ike: Ohey Andrew
499[5:59 PM] Omega: Do you feel like the Laz discord could just erupt at any time?
500[5:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): probably
501[6:00 PM] Andrew: oh more reading(edited)
502[6:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it's an eerie silence
503[6:00 PM] Ark: That's what we want.
504[6:00 PM] Svezjacael: Should it though?
505[6:00 PM] Svezjacael: If it should, let me do it.
506[6:00 PM] Ark: Yes.
507[6:00 PM] Omega: It feels so tense. No one has brought up my recusal in there yet.
508[6:00 PM] Ike: Maybe
509[6:00 PM] Ike: Is now a good time to start raising collective hell?
510[6:01 PM] Ark: Let's wait a few hours.
511[6:01 PM] Andrew: idts.
512[6:01 PM] Ark: When night falls, we raise hell.
513[6:01 PM] Andrew: most likely case is they r doing what we r doing, caluclating numbers and how to proceed
514[6:01 PM] Ike: aye
515[6:01 PM] Ark: Keep funk and them up all night arguing with us.(edited)
516[6:01 PM] Svezjacael: What about outside pressure? Omega, you said you're with two other groups, and can get TSP upset with Lazarus, what if I can use my...position...in TP to get another Feeder upset with how Lazarus is going?
517[6:01 PM] Andrew: how will that help
518[6:02 PM] Ike: There's outside pressure and importing votes
519[6:02 PM] Ike: Let's stick to the former
520[6:02 PM] Andrew: ^
521[6:02 PM] Ark: Because the more on edge they are, the more likely he will coup
522[6:02 PM] Ark: And a coup is easier to fight.
523[6:02 PM] Andrew: is there a consensus on thats what we want him to do
524[6:02 PM] Svezjacael: If Funk coups, which I hope he does, I have the absolute best story to do over that.
525[6:02 PM] Ark: Because then voter importation isn't a damn thing :stuck_out_tongue:
526[6:02 PM] Andrew: i see
527[6:02 PM] Andrew: but is he that daft
528[6:03 PM] Ark: Absolutely.
529[6:03 PM] Ike: Not yet
530[6:03 PM] Ark: He will be
531[6:03 PM] Andrew: you know because?
532[6:03 PM] Omega: I can't get Osiris to help but I can get TSP mad as hell when the time comes. @Seraph and @Griffindor will have to help with that, and any of you like @Somyrion (Aumelodia) already in TSp would be useful.
533[6:04 PM] Ark: I'm not sure if TP getting overtly pissed would help, but if y'all agree on it, Svez and I might just be able to pull it off.
534[6:05 PM] Omega: TSP only helps because they are a close ally.
535[6:05 PM] Svezjacael: Not "mad" at Lazarus, but I can get the NPO to poke a lot of fun at Funk's government if need be.
536[6:05 PM] Ark: That he can.
537[6:05 PM] Ike: TSP is good and we have contacts with the NPO which is is a good start
538[6:06 PM] Omega: I'll have TSP repeal it NAP and Treaty if needed.
539[6:07 PM] Andrew: all im thinking is that just like how Omega saw through Lamb, they might very well see through us. If we start trying to rile him up, yeah that might work or they might see the fact we r trying to push him to the edge. I mean we can all clearly see the planning gon into this which to me implies that he will not want to coup and ruin whatever reputation he has left. I mean does he even have a region he's active in other than Laz?
540[6:07 PM] Ark: We need funk's government to have 0 allies. As FA Archbishop, I am making this happen as we speak :stuck_out_tongue:
541[6:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): LWU
542[6:08 PM] Andrew: @Ark that sounds v ominous
543[6:08 PM] Ark: Nothing to worry about.
544[6:08 PM] Omega: @Ark contact Escade about getting TSP to pull out of both of the treaties.
545[6:08 PM] Ark: Both?
546[6:09 PM] Ark: Hm
547[6:09 PM] Omega: Both
548[6:09 PM] Ark: Fair enough.
549[6:09 PM] Omega: NAP and treaty of friendship.
550[6:09 PM] Morozovia: I know in the last election... we never thought we'd be voting people in for the duty to disrupt the government in order to preserve it :thinking: xD
551[6:09 PM] Omega: It sends a stronger message.
552[6:09 PM] Andrew: it does.
553[6:09 PM] Andrew: Wont that send em into a panic
554[6:10 PM] Omega: Then Somyrion and I can raise hell in the TSP Assembly during the debate about the withdraw.(edited)
555[6:10 PM] Andrew: how?
556[6:10 PM] Omega: TSP is required to debate any withdraw in the Assembly before it can go forward.
557[6:11 PM] Omega: Somy and I are both legislators and we can capitalize on the moment to really turn TSP against Funk.
558[6:11 PM] Ark: I bet Roavin would help support
559[6:12 PM] Omega: I bet. Seraph and Griffindor are also in TSp
560[6:14 PM] Andrew: i see
561[6:15 PM] Omega: Yep.
562[6:17 PM] Andrew: Whats Plan B
563[6:18 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 
564
565[6:18 PM] Omega: Recall? Court case? Insit Svez can override a deputy's counting of votes?
566[6:18 PM] Morozovia: I think sombody told funk :joy:
567[6:18 PM] Omega: Why?
568[6:18 PM] Ark: What?
569[6:18 PM] Morozovia: Cause he just flipped his attitude
570[6:18 PM] Omega: Evidence?
571[6:18 PM] Morozovia: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10254118/1/#new
572[6:20 PM] Morozovia: The Appeasement bill
573[6:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 
574
575[6:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 
576
577[6:20 PM] Ark: lol
578[6:20 PM] Andrew: he's making a move and  may already have the votes for this if not already working on it
579[6:21 PM] Ark: That's not good Moro
580[6:21 PM] Ark: He's trying to take away Somy's only real power here
581[6:21 PM] Andrew: we're gonna need to vote this down
582[6:21 PM] Omega: I spoke my opposition in the thread. Raise hell in that thread. Svez we need to make debate las as long as possible.
583[6:21 PM] Andrew: ^
584[6:21 PM] Omega: Like as long as possible.
585[6:21 PM] Omega: Get ready to filibuster people.
586[6:21 PM] Svezjacael: cracks knuckles 
587Oh boy, this will be fun
588[6:21 PM] Morozovia: Well the point is vote fruad and ect. Reforms that are needed. Not just him not having rule of say at the end of the day over
589[6:22 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can't really say much without looking like I'm trying to hold onto my power
590[6:22 PM] Omega: @Ark try to get escade to act ASAP
591[6:23 PM] Ike: Who's ready to go Rand Paul on his ass
592[6:23 PM] Andrew: while he's making me moves, we should start making our own if we can
593[6:24 PM] Ark: I replied.
594[6:24 PM] Ark: And if he chooses to poke me back about it, then he's opening a door he won't be able to close.
595[6:25 PM] Andrew: not very subtle are we
596[6:25 PM] Ark: Not anymore.
597[6:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We can't afford to be that subtle anymore
598[6:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): unfortunately
599[6:25 PM] Omega: I'm getting Roavin to bring it to the Cabinet
600[6:26 PM] Andrew: oh. Now i understand
601[6:28 PM] Svezjacael: So, I'm going to make sure I'm not starting off propaganda too strong here, so please give feedback before I post
602[6:28 PM] Svezjacael: I'm not sure what I've missed while I was studying for the police academy exam, but removing the power of the Celestial Being's only position makes it a glorified citizen of the season position, which I'm against. Before you know it, Convenor will be the manager of deputies, who hold the real power, prelates will just review the history of legal things and only the council can determine legality of anything, people in charge of the LCA just push papers and write reports while the LCA itself runs under another department, and etc etc. Removing the power of one department is the dangerous domino effect that works against the democracy Lazarus stands for. And yes, while "at discretion" isn't democratic, it is how Lazarus functions, with an emergency power use. This position is essential, as it is, in the working of Lazarene governance. To strip that power of the Celestial Being is to consolidate power elsewhere, and such a legal means of creating autocracy in a grand democracy that i know and love is an abhorrent attack I myself will not support
603[6:30 PM] Andrew: alr8
604[6:30 PM] Ark: Might wanna tone it down at the end there just a tad
605[6:30 PM] Omega: Looks fine, just fix the capitalization issues.
606[6:30 PM] Ark: But otherwise really good
607[6:30 PM] Omega: No intense is good.
608[6:30 PM] Andrew: Wat Ark said
609[6:30 PM] Doperland: So, I don't doubt our cause, but do we have undeniable evidence that Funk's regime is corrupt?(edited)
610[6:30 PM] Svezjacael: So beyond capitalization issues (quick typing, my bad) am I keeping or toning? I've heard both
611[6:31 PM] Ark: Maybe don't use the word autocracy when you're from TP? :stuck_out_tongue:
612[6:31 PM] Svezjacael: Hmmm....got it
613[6:31 PM] Svezjacael: :joy:
614[6:31 PM] Omega: He willfully allowed those citizens to come in in the last hours of the prelate vote and so many of them went to vote how he did.
615[6:31 PM] Omega: I think that speaks volumes.
616[6:32 PM] Omega: And then he has fought tooth and nail about the legality of that action.(edited)
617[6:32 PM] Seraph: Should I bump my citizenship app.?
618[6:32 PM] Doperland: I mean, the voting thing could hypothetically be chance, couldn't it?
619[6:33 PM] Omega: Maybe...
620[6:33 PM] Omega: But it's highly doubtful.(edited)
621[6:33 PM] Doperland: Yeah seraph.
622[6:33 PM] Doperland: I mean I'm just trying to think of arguments that could be used against us.
623[6:33 PM] Doperland: It's best to have as much support as possible.
624[6:34 PM] Ike: I don't believe those citizens were eligible to vote
625[6:34 PM] Ike: Newcomers can't vote during election time if my memory of the mandate serves
626[6:34 PM] Morozovia: Why didn't we think of having a rule that states application during elections can't vote till the next?
627[6:34 PM] Ike: Yet Funk, as elections commissioner, let them anyway
628[6:34 PM] Ike: That is blatant corruption
629[6:34 PM] Doperland: They couldn't under the Elections act.
630[6:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike it's due to a dispute over whether they were actually elections
631[6:34 PM] Morozovia: Yeah..  I believe we had this issue with our elections before
632[6:35 PM] Ike: Right
633[6:35 PM] Seraph: Done, politely.  I very much doubt they believe I'm here for any other reason than to add to your support, but it's worth the try.
634[6:35 PM] Morozovia: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) oh... that makes sense
635[6:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): LWU-side claims they weren't as there's a law in the Elections Act saying that prelate elections are just council confirmations(edited)
636[6:35 PM] Omega: Yeah...
637[6:36 PM] Ike: And what's the text of that law?
638[6:36 PM] Seraph: And now I gotta go to bed 'cos I have an early job interview.  Good luck!  I'll try to catch up after...
639[6:36 PM] Morozovia: So because we didn't have a law saying it was a clear election... funk and lamb is using that as a loop?
640[6:37 PM] Svezjacael: So we have C S Colbert in here? Though I never imagined working with him, he was the biggest headache I ever had as media representative of the NLO back in 2015. If we want a headache, he's another wonderful guy to get on our table.
641[6:37 PM] Ike: He's in the MSL
642[6:37 PM] Ike: Is all I know
643[6:37 PM] Omega: 8) A citizen whose application was accepted during a regular or special election cycle is unable to cast a vote in said election.
644[6:37 PM] Omega: There is the part that would stop them
645[6:37 PM] Ike: We invited him because he's fanatical about red Laz which is just what our party needs
646[6:38 PM] Morozovia: He's a poet too
647[6:38 PM] Omega: This part causes problems: 3) In Regards to Prelates: In the clauses Article IV SS3E, and Article IV SS6 of the mandate, the term 'elect' shall be interpreted to mean a simple majority confirmation vote in the Cosmic Council.
648[6:38 PM] Svezjacael: I remember the anti-NPO poetry, no worries. lol I wouldn't recommend him if I didn't know how effective he was.
649[6:38 PM] Ike: Well there it is, isn't it?
650[6:38 PM] Omega: Svez have you fired the deputies?
651[6:38 PM] Svezjacael: Not yet, I'm about to though.
652[6:39 PM] Omega: Okay.
653[6:39 PM] Omega: I'm sorry it has come to this.
654[6:39 PM] Ike: Ain't we all
655[6:39 PM] Ike: Ain't we all
656[6:40 PM] Morozovia: :sweat:
657[6:40 PM] Omega: @thechurchofsatan can you get TRR to pull out of its treaty with Laz?
658[6:41 PM] Ike: Shouldn't we first be threatening abandonment of the treaties instead of outright retracting them to use as leverage?
659[6:41 PM] Andrew: ^
660[6:41 PM] Omega: Good call
661[6:42 PM] Doperland: Yeah. Ideally we'd like to keep the treaties, wouldn't we? We just want Funk's regime ousted.
662[6:43 PM] Ark: We can always renegotiate the treaties later.
663[6:43 PM] Ark: We need Funk out, regardless.
664[6:43 PM] Omega: I'm talking with Roavin about the TSP one.
665[6:44 PM] Doperland: Fair enough.
666[6:45 PM] Svezjacael: Has the Convenor's Corner been removed? I suddenly can't find it anymore.
667[6:48 PM] Omega: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10137739/3/#new
668[6:50 PM] Omega: Okay we have 3 days max until this goes to a vote.
669[6:53 PM] Ike: 
670
671[6:53 PM] Ike: Intensify tarting efforts.
672[6:55 PM] Svezjacael: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10137739/3/#new
673
674No more Deputies. Anybody here got the admin powers to do so with powers on the forums?
675[6:56 PM] Morozovia: Yeah funk and lamb knows
676[6:56 PM] Svezjacael: Knows what? About this chat?
677[6:57 PM] Morozovia: By their recent 30 min action... yeah probably
678[6:57 PM] Svezjacael: Hm. Well then.
679[6:58 PM] Svezjacael: Well, we'll have to be more careful on what we say and who's around when it's said.
680[7:00 PM] Morozovia: Lamb just used the flip card on us with  Funks bill. Though I say we shouldn't back down now. If they already know, that means they also know whos all involved. So I say we go forward and just stick to the plan and also push for the reforms needed with this issue of this recent election and how it was handled
681[7:01 PM] Omega: Yep
682[7:01 PM] Morozovia: We still need to be discrete about this
683[7:01 PM] Omega: They know I'm in this.
684[7:01 PM] Omega: Also this: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10254152/1/
685[7:04 PM] Andrew: what would that require?
686[7:05 PM] Omega: An addition to the LPA I think.
687[7:07 PM] Andrew: so regular amendment to statutory law. Obviously they can see we r just tring to stall them. Is this a distraction or a legit attempt to slow them down or both?
688[7:08 PM] Omega: Both
689[7:08 PM] Ike: @here y'all think now is a good time to start raising hell?
690[7:08 PM] Ike: in the discord citizens chat i mean
691[7:09 PM] Omega: Sure
692[7:09 PM] Svezjacael: I have taken an "abstain" position on the convenor conversation to keep any bias away from evidence, but if you guys want to voice my opinions for me, just ask me directly and I'll address the commentary like I said I would.
693[7:10 PM] Doperland: Shouldn't we try to handle this swiftly and with as little hell raising as possible?
694[7:11 PM] Andrew: I personally think its abit too early to be raising hell
695[7:12 PM] Doperland: Yeah..
696[7:12 PM] Ike: Alright, we'll hold off.
697[7:13 PM] Andrew: Pushing Funk to coup is a abit of a weighted toin coss that doesnt work in our favour, and just raising hell now means it wont burn as fierce when it may be mosted needed: the lead up to the Election.
698[7:13 PM] Ike: But the leadup to the election is irrelevant if we decide to push a recall effort
699[7:14 PM] Omega: Right
700[7:14 PM] Ike: let's keep our hellraising to the forums for now until we can find the right time to cause a ruckus in discord
701[7:15 PM] Andrew: without real evidence, a recall effort will be a weak attempt. Especially seeing the numbers needed for it
702[7:15 PM] Svezjacael: Not to mention we should work on the paper for a moment.
703[7:16 PM] Omega: Oh yes that
704[7:16 PM] Ike: Right
705[7:16 PM] Svezjacael: If we get more people moving with the paper, we can get the support we need to effectively launch our hell raising.
706[7:17 PM] Ike: What kind of articles should we be putting out to start with?
707[7:17 PM] Ike: We could issue a strongly-worded condemnation of Funk and Lamb's efforts to corrupt our political system
708[7:17 PM] Svezjacael: The surge of LWU citizens after the "independent" movement, the attempt to remove CB's powers, etc etc
709[7:19 PM] Curious Observations: Hail.
710[7:19 PM] Omega: Howdy
711[7:19 PM] Ike: So we've got Mr. Mysterious on board
712[7:19 PM] Omega: Bingo
713[7:20 PM] Curious Observations: Sorry for remaining anonymous. I assure you it's only out of necessity.
714[7:20 PM] Ike: No hard feelings
715[7:21 PM] Andrew: is that a joke i dont get or is that someone whos really staying anonymous
716[7:21 PM] Curious Observations: It's not a joke :weary:
717[7:22 PM] Ike: He's (they're) probably someone we all know well, and it'll be great fun when their true identity is revealed after this all blows over :stuck_out_tongue:
718[7:22 PM] Ike: Anyway, to catch you up
719[7:22 PM] Ike: We've concluded that a recall effort is unviable given all of Funk's puppet votes
720[7:22 PM] Doperland: I'm half expecting it to be Funk.
721[7:22 PM] Andrew: ^
722[7:22 PM] Omega: Bingo
723[7:23 PM] Omega: Funk knows he must do Lamb's bidding but really doesn't want to.
724[7:24 PM] Ike: Ark knows who it is, and I trust Ark.
725[7:24 PM] Omega: Sounds good
726[7:25 PM] Svezjacael: Back, been dealing with stuff in other areas. Anything new I missed
727[7:25 PM] Omega: I'm trying to characterize Lamb as attempting to ram things through the legislature in the debate on my proposal.
728[7:26 PM] Svezjacael: Who's the new red guy?
729[7:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Unless we have condemning evidence, we should not try a recall vote.
730[7:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just putting that out there
731[7:26 PM] Ike: He's the one who published the big GP paper exposing Funk's bullshit
732[7:26 PM] Omega: Bingo
733[7:27 PM] Svezjacael: Oh. Well, welcome Journalist. :stuck_out_tongue:
734[7:27 PM] Ike: For now, we must oppose the efforts of Funk and his cabal to consolidate their power
735[7:27 PM] Omega: Yep
736[7:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Curious Observations you may like this :stuck_out_tongue:
737
738[7:28 PM] Ike: And for the record, don't invite people here without running it by me or Ark first. I don't want anyone making the mistake of thinking someone like Adytus has any good will coming into this server.
739Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/17/2017
740[7:28 PM] Omega: Should you put the link to that thing in here?
741[7:28 PM] Ike: I brought CO here because I trust them, and that's because Ark does. We need to be careful with our admissions
742[7:29 PM] Omega: Understood.
743[7:29 PM] Omega: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) link to the spreadsheet for them here?
744[7:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yjU_vVpU-Y-UtJC0DHiC1EkyLR3K-SQ3sxnV7t1W968/edit?usp=sharing
745Google Docs
746Affiliations
747Sheet1 Union, Wolf, Neutral, Non-Voting, Only, Leaning Neutral, All Neutral, Voting Closes:, 7/ 12 18: 14, 7/ 14 23: 05, 7/ 15 9: 16, 7/ 16 15: 54,* Sheet must be edited for time to display correctly. Amerion, Funkadelia, Alunya, Capercom, Union, 17, 20, 26,* Time Until Closing:,- 119: 07: 48,...
748
749[7:31 PM] Svezjacael: I am union support, so though I have voted little you can move Rushian Kingdom to blue
750[7:32 PM] Omega: We decided to call ourselves the unionists in the old chat we had.
751[7:32 PM] Svezjacael: I assumed as much from the names in the spreadsheet.
752[7:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): k
753[7:32 PM] Ike: Unionists, eh?
754[7:32 PM] Ike: Not bad
755[7:33 PM] Ike: But I consider myself more of a Republican
756[7:33 PM] Ike: #tiocfaidharla
757[7:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also on that note get a better discord logo :stuck_out_tongue:
758[7:33 PM] Ike: >_>
759[7:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll make one <.<
760[7:33 PM] Svezjacael: INB4 PRL pls
761[7:33 PM] Svezjacael: :stuck_out_tongue:
762[7:34 PM] Ike: say no more fam
763[7:34 PM] Ike: Up the Ra
764[7:34 PM] Omega: Oh god
765[7:34 PM] Svezjacael: I support this logo
766[7:34 PM] Omega: I'm not sure about this?(edited)
767[7:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): >.<
768[7:35 PM] Svezjacael: Erin go Bragh
769[7:35 PM] Ike: you'll never beat the irish
770[7:36 PM] Omega: Okay
771[7:36 PM] Svezjacael: I have ancestors who were in the troubles
772[7:36 PM] Svezjacael: But back to relevance
773[7:36 PM] Ike: Lot of us do
774[7:37 PM] Ike: What matters is that today there is peace
775[7:37 PM] Ike: Let's try to bring about the same in Lazarus
776[7:37 PM] Svezjacael: Indeed. Full agreement.
777[7:37 PM] Omega: I have an ancestor who fled to the Appalachian Mountains after committing a crime.
778[7:38 PM] Ike: My great grandfather was an RCMP officer who cheated on his wife with the police commissioner's wife then abandoned his family and children to start a new one in a far away town
779[7:38 PM] Ike: Great chap.
780[7:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): back into irrelevance
781
782[7:50 PM] Curious Observations: I have read the entire backlog now.
783[7:50 PM] Omega: I like that
784[7:51 PM] Omega: I've got good news, they need a 2/3rds vote to amend the mandate.
785[7:51 PM] Curious Observations: I hope I do not look like Funkadelia. I would prove it using the WA, but cannot right now. Perhaps in a few days.
786[7:51 PM] Omega: It's fine we were messing around
787[7:53 PM] Curious Observations: My advice would be to obtain the help of true natives in the region, by clearly showing what is known and why it is an infringement upon Lazarene sovereignty.
788[7:54 PM] Curious Observations: The newspaper that was proposed can certainly help with those efforts.
789[7:54 PM] Curious Observations: Furthermore, in case of a coup, long-time natives with a high influence score will be invaluable. That means Loftegen, Alunya, and others.
790[7:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I telegrammed Alunya a while back about applying to become a Guardian; they haven't responded.
791[7:55 PM] Curious Observations: Trackeendy too.
792[7:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Track is Xiaosael on discord
793[7:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can get in touch with him/her.
794[7:58 PM] Curious Observations: I wonder what reaction I would receive if I were to join the Lazarus Discord server with this account. :laughing:
795[7:58 PM] Omega: Good luck if you did.
796[7:58 PM] Morozovia: That would be hilarious
797[7:59 PM] Morozovia: But highly suspicious
798[7:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike can we add Pherttsylvania?
799[7:59 PM] Svezjacael: I can attest to the fact that Phertts has just gone against Lamb on my Convenor's Chamber's area.
800[7:59 PM] Svezjacael: But the trust to add is to you and Ark.
801[8:00 PM] Omega: I saw that. I'm very happy.
802[8:00 PM] Curious Observations: Indeed, that was quite enjoyable to read.
803[8:00 PM] Curious Observations: I adore NationStates drama.
804[8:00 PM] Svezjacael: As am I. Though I hate playing 'neutral', I'm used to it with my prior infiltration operations in the past.
805[8:00 PM] Curious Observations: I don't know what that says about me, but I cannot deny it.
806[8:00 PM] Svezjacael: I adore drama entire. NS drama is just a special highlight IMO, CO
807[8:00 PM] Omega: Last time I was involved in drama like this I started a party that is now the largest in TSP.
808[8:01 PM] Andrew: well im going to bed
809[8:01 PM] Andrew: night all
810[8:01 PM] Svezjacael: Night 'dres
811[8:01 PM] Svezjacael: * 'drew
812[8:01 PM] Omega: Night
813[8:01 PM] Svezjacael: I have a question though, but mostly for the people in charge of La Res here.
814[8:02 PM] Doperland: What is it?
815[8:03 PM] Svezjacael: Would infiltrating their ranks to feed info back here be against the ideals? I'm not keen to use my PG tools elsewhere, but for the betterment and restoration of Lazarus I'm more than willing.
816[8:03 PM] Morozovia: Well that would depend on how much info you give them
817[8:04 PM] Andrew: ^
818[8:04 PM] Andrew: and I doubt they would trust u in return
819[8:04 PM] Andrew: pple like them have tight nit circles
820[8:04 PM] Andrew: rlly tight
821[8:05 PM] Svezjacael: Yes, but I've moved in on tighter ones before. TNP was a fun place to infiltrate.
822[8:05 PM] Andrew: what
823[8:05 PM] Morozovia: They might suspect whats up even more if not knowing everything already
824[8:05 PM] Atlantica: I'm not only not opposed to it but actively supportive of it, but I have been more pragmatic and unfettered in pursuing LR's goals than most others (what with supporting voter importation)
825[8:06 PM] Morozovia: It might work if you trigger right.. should take caution
826[8:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can we please add phertt? :stuck_out_tongue:
827[8:07 PM] Atlantica: For the record, I'm not sure if being an Archbishop puts me in a leadership role here or not @Ike
828[8:07 PM] Svezjacael: I'll slowly see what I can do.
829[8:33 PM] Amerion: Okay ... Lot's to read ... Anyone wanna catch me up?
830[8:34 PM] Omega: I stalled the Court forever.
831[8:34 PM] Svezjacael: We're starting a news paper for underground, we're tired of the LWU influence, and we're working to keep Lazarus in the hands of the Lazarene.
832[8:35 PM] Omega: We also have to fight the amendment Funk has proposed to the mandate.
833[8:35 PM] Svezjacael: I've also removed my deputies to keep the voting procedure stalled as long as I can when it's a LWU motive in support.
834[8:36 PM] thechurchofsatan: @Omega I'm not prepared to pull TRR and Lazarus out of their oldest treaties. Nor will I allow my duties as TRR delegate to spill over to my responsibility to Lazarus.
835[8:36 PM] Morozovia: See they know it was voted for they're just nick picking the letter and chosing what is and isn't an election... wow funk and lamb are try hards
836[8:37 PM] Omega: Okay that's perfectly reasonable CoS.
837[8:53 PM] Amerion: Ah
838[8:53 PM] Amerion: Interesting
839[8:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :rolling_eyes: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10254217/1/
840[8:58 PM] Amerion: Hmm
841[8:59 PM] Morozovia: Well then(edited)
842[9:04 PM] Atlantica: Those last six words from the question "Regions you are and have been involved in" are perhaps in equal part the most terrifying words in a citizen application yet at the same time six words that confirm all of our suspicions and can be used to our advantage.
843[9:08 PM] Omega: We win
844[9:09 PM] Morozovia: Bingo
845[9:11 PM] Morozovia: I say we gather all applications accepted during and even go as far as since the election... maybe a day before to check even more for where these guys came from
846[9:11 PM] Omega: I agree
847[9:11 PM] Morozovia: If they match... then somebody's been a bad recruiter(edited)
848[9:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Is it possible Mek's joking?
849[9:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): somebody pin my sheet here
850[9:13 PM] Morozovia: 
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852
853
854[9:13 PM] Morozovia: Just in case Funk deletes some... must be sure
855[9:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yjU_vVpU-Y-UtJC0DHiC1EkyLR3K-SQ3sxnV7t1W968/edit?usp=sharing @Morozovia feel free to make a new tab and add stuff there
856Google Docs
857Affiliations
858Sheet1 Union, Wolf, Neutral, Non-Voting, Only, Leaning Neutral, All Neutral, Voting Closes:, 7/ 12 18: 14, 7/ 14 23: 05, 7/ 15 9: 16, 7/ 16 15: 54,* Sheet must be edited for time to display correctly. Amerion, Funkadelia, Alunya, Capercom, Union, 20, 21, 26,* Time Until Closing:,- 122: 58: 52,...
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860[9:14 PM] Atlantica: Aaaand Zaolat literally just said that NK sent him into Lazarus not only on his app, but also on Curious Observation's thread
861[9:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just snipped in case of edits
862
863[9:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ah
864[9:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): well then
865[9:22 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Phertt is good
866[9:22 PM] Ike: Also, is this not blatant voter importation?
867[9:25 PM] Pherttsylvania: Thank goodness it seems I've finally ended up in the right channel
868[9:26 PM] Pherttsylvania: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) that applicant screenshot you just posted was just the icing on the cake imo
869[9:26 PM] Pherttsylvania: they're openly flaunting that they've oh so cleverly couped Laz
870[9:26 PM] Pherttsylvania: i'm going to read back everything here to make sure i'm up to speed
871[9:27 PM] Ike: We cannot allow them to claim victory.
872[9:27 PM] Svezjacael: Oh hey, Phert is here.
873[9:35 PM] Amerion: @Wintermoot , I thought we were submitting a motion of no confidence?
874[9:35 PM] Amerion: Hi @Pherttsylvania
875[9:36 PM] Wintermoot: I believe the consensus was that people wanted Harmoneia to submit that motion
876[9:36 PM] Ike: Where is she, anyway?(edited)
877[9:37 PM] Amerion: Probably writing her thesis
878[9:37 PM] harmoneia: Uhm why
879[9:37 PM] Andrew: I thought the consensus was we were holding off till concreate evidence came to light. But i guess recent developmemrs fit the bill?(edited)
880[9:38 PM] Ike: @harmoneia welcome
881[9:38 PM] Ike: good to have you here
882[9:39 PM] harmoneia: Am I not too involved seeing as how Amerion was lobbying votes for me
883[9:40 PM] Ike: I would hope that you could become involved to a greater degree. You're quite possibly the most respected person in Lazarus
884[9:40 PM] Amerion: I am so not impressed that they consider that a crime
885[9:40 PM] harmoneia: Not to these pilers who do nothing but vote and have no principles of their own
886[9:40 PM] Amerion: I agree with Ike on this, you have the most amount of pull here
887[9:40 PM] harmoneia: Lol
888[9:41 PM] Ike: You have sway among the people who can be convinced to care
889[9:41 PM] Ike: It also discredit's Cormac's attempted gaslighting of our movement as a group of freeloaders who want to subvert our sovereignty
890[9:42 PM] Amerion: @Svezjacael , I suspect they are baiting you in the Space Port
891[9:42 PM] Amerion: They know they can't win in the CC so they are taking it to the public domain
892[9:43 PM] Svezjacael: Yeah, I just wanted to see how they'd do it. Not that I'm really a fan of pulling cosmo cards, but as a NPO senator, it's also my duty to keep both of my homes from feeling like the other is plotting against the other.
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894[9:43 PM] Amerion: Totally understandable
895[9:44 PM] Amerion: I'm out for most of the day but will be on mobile btw
896[9:44 PM] harmoneia: Look Funk is my real fb friend and I suspect he wouldn't take it well and might take it out on me personally
897[9:44 PM] harmoneia: So I prefer not to motion for it
898[9:44 PM] Ike: This is a purely in-game matter
899[9:44 PM] harmoneia: But I would openly voice my support
900[9:44 PM] Ike: Tim is my FB friend but he still fucked me over
901[9:44 PM] Ike: Doesn't mean we don't get along
902[9:44 PM] harmoneia: And help push for it
903[9:44 PM] Amerion: Temporarily block him on FB?
904[9:44 PM] Ike: Well, that's good enough
905[9:44 PM] harmoneia: Funk is different
906[9:45 PM] Ike: Her being the motioner isn't as important as her support in the first place
907[9:45 PM] Ike: That's what counts, and we're glad to have it.
908[9:45 PM] Svezjacael: This is why I don't add people from NS to my FB or snapchat. I don't need NSGP potentially spilling into my RL affairs.
909[9:45 PM] Amerion: ^
910[9:45 PM] Wintermoot: This is why I don't participate in NSGP xD
911[9:45 PM] harmoneia: He was supposed to alert me for security concerns as I was inactive
912[9:45 PM] harmoneia: Ironically lol
913[9:46 PM] Ike: Didn't he betray you to start with by trying to bump you from your guardian position?
914[9:47 PM] harmoneia: He just voted Nay. Which is what I will also do: openly support his removal
915[9:47 PM] Ike: Ice cold. I like it.
916[9:48 PM] Ike: Should I try and get Altmoras on board? He's not a citizen but he was active in his time here up until being elected Delegate
917[9:48 PM] harmoneia: I think let's keep it internal for now or risk being charged with treason
918[9:49 PM] Ike: We have all agreed that we will keep this strictly legal and through all the democratic processes of the Celestial Union
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920[9:49 PM] Ike: Rising up is a last resort that we'd prefer not to come to
921[9:50 PM] Morozovia: For the preservation of Democracy
922[9:50 PM] Wintermoot: Don't get drawn into arguing with Cormac, I doubt he even gives a shit
923[9:50 PM] Pherttsylvania: I'd definitely like to proceed as legally as possible or what would be to stop them form saying we unjustly couped?
924[9:51 PM] Pherttsylvania: who knows how long it would take people to sort everything out
925[9:51 PM] Pherttsylvania: But
926[9:51 PM] Ike: Every spat I have with Cormac is never about spiting him, it's about dispelling the bullshit he spews
927[9:51 PM] Pherttsylvania: I am most definitely on board
928[9:51 PM] Ike: @Pherttsylvania We reject their accusations of coup plotting by not plotting a coup.
929[9:51 PM] Ike: That simple.
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931[9:51 PM] Ike: We've got little to hide here.
932[9:51 PM] Wintermoot: The only people who actually believe what he says are people who either have an agenda or also don't give a shit
933[9:51 PM] Ike: We have to effectively counter his propaganda.
934[9:52 PM] Ike: That means detailed and concise dispelling of his agenda wherever it may pop up
935[9:52 PM] Wintermoot: Why? He's irrelevant in any sense of the word
936[9:52 PM] Ike: We need as many people as possible on our side.
937[9:52 PM] Ike: "His" as in Funk, sorry
938[9:52 PM] Ike: Cormac is mostly irrelevant except for his attempted gaslighting
939[9:52 PM] Wintermoot: You're just giving him relevance by arguing with him, but it's just friendly advice
940[9:53 PM] Ike: If you know me, you know I'm the one guy who always calls out Cormac's bullshit. I've no reason to stop, and I've no problem with bothering to do it
941[9:53 PM] Ike: Don't worry about me
942[9:53 PM] Ike: Let's focus on what matters here
943[9:53 PM] Ike: @Ark do we have any treaties with Europeia?
944[9:55 PM] Amerion: Unless CAIN is a treaty, then no @Ike
945[9:55 PM] Ike: Right
946[9:55 PM] Ike: I'm still PNG from there. Should fix that sometime.
947[9:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we please hold off on the no confidence thing until we have evidence? :stuck_out_tongue:
948[9:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like Andrew said
949[9:56 PM] Ike: I think what we can do, to gauge support for non-confidence, is to start questioning people who voted against Killer Kitty's confirmation
950[9:56 PM] Ike: See if they'd be on board
951[9:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like whom?
952[9:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): many of them are already on board
953[9:56 PM] Ike: People on the list, of course
954[9:56 PM] Ike: get the rest, then
955[9:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): in here?
956[9:57 PM] Ike: Sure, why not
957[9:58 PM] Ike: LENLY!
958[9:58 PM] Ike: HI!
959[9:58 PM] Ike: :heart:
960[9:58 PM] Lenlyvit: Bout time someone made a common ground thing(edited)
961[9:58 PM] Ike: Yeah, we've got quite the crew here
962[9:59 PM] Thatcher: I like the resemblence with the IRA :joy:
963[9:59 PM] Ike: up the ra
964[9:59 PM] Ike: Noble Thatcherites?
965[9:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yep(edited)
966[9:59 PM] Thatcher: Hahahaha.
967[10:00 PM] Lenlyvit: Sooo.... Anything important to vote upon?
968[10:00 PM] Thatcher: Tiocfaidh ár lá
969[10:00 PM] Ike: SING UP THE RA
970[10:00 PM] Ike: Yes, Lenly, soon
971[10:00 PM] Ike: Funk's trying to curtail the powers of the Celestial Being
972[10:00 PM] Ike: We need to filibuster it to shit
973[10:00 PM] Thatcher: Celestial Being is Somy, no?(edited)
974[10:01 PM] Svezjacael: Who changed us from the IRA? My inner Irish is saddened and needs whiskey.
975[10:01 PM] Ike: I did, it's a bit controversial
976[10:01 PM] Ike: As much as I have a hard-on for Gerry Adams, let's be a tad serious at least :stuck_out_tongue:
977[10:01 PM] Thatcher: The french revolution works too.
978[10:01 PM] Svezjacael: sigh I mean, yea...I guess I understand that. Can I still has whiskey?
979[10:01 PM] Ike: No one's got anything against the French revolution, those who do have no heads, so c'est la vie
980[10:01 PM] Ike: Tá
981[10:02 PM] Svezjacael: downs jack daniels
982[10:03 PM] Thatcher: @Ike Are you on the MeIRA subreddit?
983[10:03 PM] Ike: I've looked through it occasionally xD
984[10:03 PM] Thatcher: I only ask because my brother has the stickied post. I don't use reddit(edited)
985[10:04 PM] Ike: lel
986[10:04 PM] Atlantica: is a pedant and points out that the painting used as the icon for this channel is of the Revolution of 1848, not the French Revolution of 1789
987[10:04 PM] Ike: I'd argue 1848 ended a lot better
988[10:04 PM] Ike: Less heads chopped off
989[10:04 PM] Ike: A leader with a nice stache
990[10:04 PM] Ike: A shitty war but y'know
991[10:04 PM] Ike: C'est la vie
992[10:04 PM] Ike: We got the Risorgimento out of it
993[10:04 PM] Atlantica: Surely you meant ended a lot worse due to the comparative lack of heads chopped off
994[10:05 PM] Morozovia: Dose this mean our cause will inevitably be foiled down the road by germans?
995[10:05 PM] Ike: On the beaheadings-to-moustache ratio I must note the absolute supremacy of Napoleon III
996[10:05 PM] Ike: I should hope not! Prussian militarism should never be taken lightly.
997[10:06 PM] Svezjacael: I'm also German, so no. I'll vouch for the Germans not to interfere here lol
998[10:06 PM] Morozovia: Down with Imperialism and Nazism!
999
1000cough inner socialist... sorry
1001[10:06 PM] Ike: Ü B E R
1002[10:06 PM] Ike: A L L E S
1003[10:06 PM] Ike: i'm a greek so i'm obligated to hate you
1004[10:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): >.>
1005[10:07 PM] Svezjacael: Hmmm I'm french, irish, and german so I already hate myself enough for you to not have to.
1006[10:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): back on track
1007[10:07 PM] Ike: Whatcha got for us, Sommy?
1008[10:07 PM] Thatcher: I'm like a majority irish with Welsh sprinkled in
1009[10:07 PM] Ike: You're not a real Thatcherite, are you?
1010[10:07 PM] Thatcher: no
1011[10:07 PM] Ike: good.
1012[10:07 PM] Thatcher: haha
1013[10:08 PM] harmoneia: Can we have a separate channel for strictly impt stuff
1014[10:08 PM] Ike: I fall in like, barely Blairite, so I'm not in a position to judge, but still...
1015[10:08 PM] Ike: No, let's just get back on track period.
1016[10:08 PM] harmoneia: Because I have a dissertation proposal deadline soon :stuck_out_tongue:
1017[10:08 PM] Ike: Mute the channel lol
1018[10:09 PM] harmoneia: Ok tag me when you need me
1019[10:09 PM] Ike: understood
1020[10:09 PM] Lenlyvit: Same, I'm muting. Tag me when important shit happens
1021[10:10 PM] Thatcher: ^
1022[10:10 PM] Svezjacael: Headed out, tag as well.
1023[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Now look what you've done >.>
1024[10:15 PM] Ike: I'm just gonna put something forward here.
1025
1026Our goal as Lazarenes is always to keep our region prosperous and growing. By growing, that means attracting new people, people who have a will to help out and a desire to contribute to our region. While I remain opposed to pure voter importation efforts, what we are seeing from the other side is a concerted effort to supplant the native population of Lazarus with raider yes-men. We saw it in Osiris, no offense to citizens there, but it resulted in a massive flight of dissenters to Cormac's iron fist rule.
1027
1028In the purest sense, we need more people to win. I'm immmensely proud of you all for showing up, this kind of turnout shows that Lazarene democracy is not dead yet. However, the simple fact is that we need more. I want to propose that we get to recruiting people who are not yet citizens of Lazarus.
1029
1030This is not to say I want to import vote bots. Instead, I want us to find people who are willing to contribute to Lazarus, who have a real desire to make our region better. People who would make great Lazarenes. Because while they can have votebots, we can have actual people. People who von't just align a particular way like Belschaft tried to do or what Funk is trying to do now. But real people, with real things to give.
1031[10:16 PM] Ike: Lamb himself came to this region from nowhere, and became active. He wouldn't be where he is now without sustained activity and contribution. I want us to be able to find people like that who can not only help our movement but help Lazarus as well.
1032[10:16 PM] Ike: @Ark I want your input specifically as you're the strongest opponent of voter importation
1033👍4
1034🇮🇪4
1035[10:16 PM] Ike: I encourage you all to give your thoughts
1036[10:18 PM] Thatcher: I have several people I think would fare well in Laz, although right now is not the best time...
1037[10:22 PM] Pherttsylvania: Well... I'm mostly a sidelines player or rather have been.  I am still in the process of moving and starting a new job and buying a house, so I can't really say how available I might be for the quick turn around issues that may come up. However, I am fully opposed to the current leadership and direction Lazarus has been taking. For roughly the two and a half years I parked myself in Laz and turned an eye to offsite politics, I've waited for a moment where I thought I could run for anything or even feel like I had a right to.  With how things are currently, I don't feel like that is even possible which is not how I think NS should be played, and I don't think I or anyone has done anything to merit the railroading that has been all but blatantly forced upon us.
1038[10:29 PM] Ike: There's never been a better time to fulfill your ambitions
1039[10:35 PM] Ike: Correct me if I'm wrong, but regardless of the confirmation's status as a regular election or not, importing votes for anything of the sort is still illegal, yes?
1040[10:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
1041[10:36 PM] Pherttsylvania: I'm afraid with the current clowns this could turn into a debate on what constitutes importing votes
1042[10:36 PM] harmoneia: Check voter fraud under ULC
1043[10:37 PM] Ike: They wouldn't be able to do that. What we need is proof that Funk did it in the first place
1044[10:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): exactly
1045[10:37 PM] Morozovia: Even if it wasn't. Like the issue we face with the election of newly accepted citizens voting out of the blue, should be shunned
1046[10:38 PM] Pherttsylvania: I agree it should be shunned
1047[10:38 PM] Morozovia: SHUNNED TO HELL
1048[10:38 PM] Morozovia: Lol
1049[10:39 PM] Morozovia: But yeah we really should review our other laws after this
1050[10:39 PM] Pherttsylvania: but when there is such a quick turn around on accepting random people as citizens as there can be on pushing forward their agenda it doesn't bode well
1051[10:39 PM] Ike: I recommend we hold a constitutional convention in any case
1052[10:39 PM] Pherttsylvania: there are issues and loopholes legally that we need to shore up
1053[10:39 PM] Ike: The Mandate is extremely convoluted
1054[10:40 PM] Ike: welcome @Kanglia are you a citizen, and who brought you?
1055[10:40 PM] Kanglia: Yes I am, I was brought here by Som
1056[10:40 PM] Ike: coolio
1057[10:53 PM] Ike: @here Just on a random note I want to stress the importance of tarting
1058[10:54 PM] Ike: Endorse each other, consolidate our influence. It's needed if things go south.
1059[10:56 PM] Omega: Sorry I'm in TSP with my main.
1060[10:56 PM] Kanglia: Would tart but I busy defending
1061[10:56 PM] Ike: In a position that necessitates endorsements?
1062[10:58 PM] Ike: I'd also like to note that in addition to our DotR Doperland, we have three guardians on our side
1063[10:58 PM] Ike: That makes four, while Funk plus KK and Lamb make three
1064[10:58 PM] Ike: The influence battle may yet be close run
1065[10:58 PM] Omega: No I could move.
1066[10:59 PM] Ike: If you feel like you can afford to, I'd encourage moving
1067[10:59 PM] Omega: Okay
1068[11:00 PM] Ike: On a basis of influence, Harmoneia has the most
1069[11:00 PM] Ike: Followed by KK, followed by Funk
1070[11:00 PM] Ike: Oh, scratch that
1071[11:00 PM] Ike: Amerion has the most
1072[11:01 PM] harmoneia: It's not necessary
1073[11:01 PM] Kanglia: If need be I can WA up on my nation in Laz & endorse tomorrow at earliest
1074[11:01 PM] Ike: @Kanglia Don't bother unless you can commit for a few days
1075[11:01 PM] Ike: It might be best to just keep fending
1076[11:01 PM] harmoneia: Loftegen as well as Trackeendy are both on the side of Lazarene sovereignty
1077[11:01 PM] Kanglia: I can
1078[11:01 PM] harmoneia: And maintain high influence
1079[11:01 PM] Ike: They are?
1080[11:01 PM] harmoneia: I can talk to them if there is a need to
1081[11:01 PM] Kanglia: I'm going to update tonight, but I can be locked for several days
1082[11:02 PM] Ike: I think there is a need to
1083[11:02 PM] Ike: See if you can get them in on this
1084[11:02 PM] harmoneia: So the influence thing is not a@matter of concern, and if I know Wolf well, he won't advise Funk to resort to an outright coup because will ultimately lead to admitting defeat
1085[11:03 PM] Ike: I'm just calculating for a contingency.
1086[11:03 PM] Omega: Okay here's mine: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=united_federated_states_of_omega
1087[11:03 PM] Ike: On a statistical basis, out of the Delegate and Guardians, the order is this: 1. Amerion, 2. Harm, 3. KK, 4. Funk, 5. Moot, 6. Dope, 7. Lamb
1088[11:04 PM] harmoneia: You can include Loftegen in there
1089[11:04 PM] Ike: I couldn't be assed to find his nation, but I know he's got a fair bit
1090[11:04 PM] harmoneia: He won't like plotting in here but we can count on him in the event of a coup
1091[11:04 PM] Ike: Either way, it seems like everything is coming up Milhouse
1092[11:04 PM] Omega: Who can I endorse?
1093[11:04 PM] Ike: Me, Ikania
1094[11:04 PM] Ike: I endorsed you
1095[11:05 PM] harmoneia: I am not comfortable with this and it raises suspicion >_>
1096[11:05 PM] Ike: I don't think you need to tart Harm, you're high up enough already :stuck_out_tongue:
1097[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed
1098[11:06 PM] Omega: Who can I endorse?
1099[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): With harm
1100[11:06 PM] Wintermoot: Endorse all WA nations
1101[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): This is not the most necessary thing right now
1102[11:06 PM] Omega: All?
1103[11:06 PM] Ike: And to make myself clear about all this tarting, this isn't for a backup in case our initial efforts fail. This is last resort, in case Funk goes full on Franco.
1104[11:06 PM] Omega: I know
1105[11:06 PM] Wintermoot: That's how tarting goes
1106[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ....why would he do that?
1107[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just saying
1108[11:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): There's nothing in it for him
1109[11:07 PM] Ike: Something important to establish is that Funk stopped caring about Lazarus a long time ago. He told me as much in private conversation. He does most of what he does for the laughs, and that's been the prime driver of his recent association with raiders and LWU.
1110[11:08 PM] Ike: He'd do it because god damn it would be fun and he might think he can win.
1111[11:08 PM] harmoneia: If you have logs of these
1112[11:08 PM] harmoneia: That would help
1113[11:08 PM] Ike: Let me dig
1114[11:10 PM] Ike: Actually, I might be a little wrong.
1115[11:10 PM] Ike: Make of this what you will
1116[11:10 PM] Ike: 
1117
1118[11:10 PM] Ike: 
1119
1120[11:10 PM] Lenlyvit: I hate to say it, but in the case of an outright coup we could probably count on the NPO and all of Defenderdom backing us over Funk
1121[11:11 PM] Kanglia: ^
1122[11:11 PM] Ike: I don't have a problem with that.
1123[11:11 PM] Ike: 
1124
1125[11:11 PM] Ike: ^ this may be intriguing
1126[11:11 PM] Ike: Clearly we weren't quite on the same page with his new vision
1127[11:13 PM] Lenlyvit: There is one thing though. Perg is still really salty about being kicked out of Laz after the last thing that happened
1128[11:13 PM] Ike: I think he'd rather stick it to Funk than to any of us, knowing him.
1129[11:13 PM] Omega: Tarting is intense.
1130[11:19 PM] Pherttsylvania: What is the best way I can raise my region influence quickly?
1131[11:19 PM] Pherttsylvania: Also this: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/single/?p=10022508&t=10254118
1132[11:19 PM] Ike: Tarting. Endorse people and ask them to endorse you back
1133[11:20 PM] Ike: Yes, Wolf is quite accomplished. Only a testament to the downright shame it is that he is partaking in this.(edited)
1134[11:20 PM] harmoneia: For history lessons
1135[11:21 PM] harmoneia: He first came to Lazarus by raiding it
1136[11:21 PM] harmoneia: Went generally inactive until the latter half of Emeraldn govt
1137[11:21 PM] harmoneia: Then disappeared again
1138[11:21 PM] harmoneia: Then did not appear again until the PRL turned defender
1139[11:21 PM] Ike: You should point this out
1140[11:21 PM] Pherttsylvania: That's what I thought and was afraid of
1141[11:21 PM] Ike: It would be a pretty sizzling burn
1142[11:21 PM] harmoneia: I've had this discussion with him several times in the past
1143[11:22 PM] Ike: Put it in public
1144[11:22 PM] Pherttsylvania: it's a shame really
1145[11:22 PM] Ike: Now is the time to speak up
1146[11:22 PM] harmoneia: Im tired lol bai
1147[11:22 PM] Ike: >_>
1148[11:25 PM] Omega: Woah what he just said was actually harassment.
1149[11:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "Go jump off a cliff"?(edited)
1150[11:28 PM] Ike: Where?
1151[11:28 PM] Pherttsylvania: in that thread
1152[11:29 PM] Ike: Responded.
1153[11:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lol I'm being directed to the cliff too :yum:
1154[11:31 PM] Pherttsylvania: I'm going to formulate some sort of conciliatory response
1155[11:31 PM] Ike: I don't think conciliatory cuts it. The tension is going to boil over soon.
1156[11:32 PM] Omega: How many people do i need to tart
1157[11:32 PM] Pherttsylvania: I'm going to play dumb until the last possible moment I think
1158[11:32 PM] Ike: As many as you want
1159[11:32 PM] Ike: @Pherttsylvania What use is there playing dumb? We need to show our united opposition as the citizenry of Lazarus
1160[11:32 PM] Ike: The more active and vocal citizens there are protesting, the more effective we are.
1161[11:33 PM] Omega: I'm like 120 in, is that enough?
1162[11:33 PM] Ike: lmao probably
1163[11:33 PM] Ike: do what you want
1164[11:33 PM] Omega: I'll go to 200.
1165[11:33 PM] Omega: I need to get Far's code sometime for this.
1166[11:33 PM] Pherttsylvania: @Ike  I don't want to trigger a response too quickly
1167[11:33 PM] Pherttsylvania: I mean, I'm just going to say something about how he's acting like Lamb who I disparaged earlier lol
1168[11:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/pages/endorse @Omega
1169[11:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You can try this, it might be of some help
1170[11:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Though it's partially broken I think
1171[11:36 PM] Lenlyvit: Every time I speak up I'm railroaded by Funk and Lamb shrugs
1172[11:36 PM] Morozovia: The unnessesary back lash with funks block is kinda getting overboard. They're clearly trying to dodge this :confused:
1173[11:36 PM] Ike: Lenly, this time we are a united front
1174[11:36 PM] Omega: Don't worry Somy.
1175[11:36 PM] Ike: We cannot afford to silence ourselves at this crucial juncture
1176[11:36 PM] Ike: If we all stand together, their railroading and propaganda means nothing opposed to the collective will of the people
1177[11:42 PM] Ike: Lamb is demanding "proof"
1178[11:43 PM] Ike: @Ark @Somyrion (Aumelodia)  any idea how we can phrase a response that won't lend credence to his "conspiracy theory" gaslighting?
1179[11:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just ignore it and file on harassment charges?
1180[11:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean for kk
1181[11:46 PM] Ike: Do you think that we can formulate a petition signed on behalf of all of us, stating that we don't recognize Killer Kitty's position as Holy Prelate, and therefore deny his right to carry out the inquiry against Amerion?
1182[11:47 PM] Ike: It would state that we believe firmly in the power vested in the Celestial Being, and stand aganist attempts to subvert Lazarene democracy
1183[11:47 PM] Omega: Yeah
1184[11:47 PM] Ike: @here
1185[11:47 PM] Ike: Y'all wanna sign a petition?
1186👍3
1187☑3
1188[11:47 PM] Omega: Yes
1189[11:47 PM] Thatcher: Yep
1190[11:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
1191[11:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Wait
1192[11:47 PM] Ike: I'm writing one up.
1193[11:47 PM] Ike: hm?
1194[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Wouldn't that just be more fuel for lamb to identify us as a conspiracy?
1195[11:48 PM] Ike: It's not a conspiracy if we're publicly coming out and acknowledging the facts
1196[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean there's nothing that says "voting bloc" more than
1197👌1
1198[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Signing something all together
1199[11:48 PM] Ike: It's gone beyond 'voting bloc', we're organizing for action now
1200[11:48 PM] Ike: It gives more credence to his idea of a conspiracy if we remain low profile, doesn't it?
1201[11:49 PM] Lenlyvit: ^ I will sign Ike
1202[11:49 PM] Morozovia: I'll sign
1203[11:49 PM] Ike: I don't want to produce a public decree if we can't all agree on it, so let's give some time for everyone to give their input
1204[11:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Let's at least wait
1205[11:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yeah
1206[11:50 PM] harmoneia: It's gone beyond 'voting bloc', we're organizing for action now <- definition of conspiracy
1207[11:50 PM] Omega: It better be firey if I'm signing though
1208[11:50 PM] Morozovia: Write it up and then present it here first to the group, then we all can put a thumbs up emoji or thumb down.(edited)
1209[11:50 PM] Pherttsylvania: Wait until everyone in the channel/available for the cause gives consent before a formal proposal is issued
1210[11:50 PM] Ike: @harmoneia Okay, fair enough :stuck_out_tongue:
1211[11:51 PM] Ike: But this won't demand any resignations or make any accusations. It will simply state that Killer Kitty illegitimately occupies the position of Holy Prelate
1212[11:51 PM] Pherttsylvania: in that case at least the court would be down to just Omega and the stooge Adytus yes?
1213[11:52 PM] Ike: Indeed
1214[11:52 PM] Ike: And a two-man court can't decide anything
1215[11:52 PM] Ike: ... isn't it the convenor's job to organize Prelate confirmations?
1216[11:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I should issue more Letters Patent - "to Adytus as Prelate, I confer upon thee the title of His Stooge"
1217[11:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well, that's what the whole debate is about Ike :stuck_out_tongue:
1218[11:53 PM] Pherttsylvania: lol
1219[11:53 PM] Ike: But the Delegate picks the prelate nominees
1220[11:53 PM] Ike: Damn
1221[11:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If it's an election, no
1222[11:53 PM] Pherttsylvania: where did that fool even come from
1223[11:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If it's not, yes
1224[11:53 PM] Pherttsylvania: I mean, i know Osiris but still
1225[11:53 PM] Omega: No he doesn't actually
1226[11:54 PM] Ike: KK's vote was held by Funk, no?
1227[11:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Np
1228[11:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): No
1229[11:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): By tom iirc
1230[11:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): So, by the deputy convenor
1231[11:55 PM] Ike: Right
1232[11:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): That's the problem, if they were elections kk and cos are illegal and ady and omega are legal, and if not, the other way around
1233[11:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ...wait, did we ever actually bring up that?
1234[11:56 PM] Ike: Not sure.
1235[11:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Or did we just stick with the important side
1236[11:56 PM] Ike: You should bring it up
1237July 18, 2017
1238[12:03 AM] Omega: Can someone let us know if anything comes out of the VC?
1239[12:03 AM] Ike: Hm?
1240[12:03 AM] Omega: Laz main VC
1241[12:03 AM] Ike: Ah
1242[12:03 AM] Ike: What're they discussing
1243[12:04 AM] Pherttsylvania: I'm not in voice chat sorry
1244[12:05 AM] Atlantica: They were talking about hats when I joined, followed by Lamb joking that I was Aeazer, followed by Lamb egging Funk on to get at first two and later four beers, followed by Lamb playing his guitar, and now they're talking about a bunch of different things
1245[12:05 AM] Ike: keep us posted
1246[12:05 AM] Atlantica: They're too smart to talk about anything that's actually pertinent to Lazarus(edited)
1247[12:06 AM] Morozovia: Bone thugs n harmony
1248[12:06 AM] Pherttsylvania: lol
1249[12:06 AM] Ike: So if there's a vacancy in the Holy Prelate position, can the Council freely elect a successor?
1250[12:06 AM] Ike: Does it have to be delegate-nominated?
1251[12:06 AM] Pherttsylvania: Like we learned from Avenue Q, "I Wish I Could Go Back to College"
1252[12:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Prelates choose amongst yhemselves
1253[12:07 AM] Ike: Therefore we first have to establish who is and isn't a Prelate...
1254[12:08 AM] Omega: Right
1255[12:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Which is dependent upon a court ruling
1256[12:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): That can never happen because we don't know who can rule on it
1257[12:09 AM] Ike: Quite the paradox
1258[12:10 AM] Omega: Which the court can't make mostly because I am still blocking it.
1259[12:10 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): An infinite loop :stuck_out_tongue:
1260[12:10 AM] Pherttsylvania: the court situation seems to be almost irreconcilable currently
1261[12:10 AM] Ike: So the best we can do is to proclaim in our capacity as citizens which court composition we recognize
1262[12:10 AM] Ike: And, for the sake of our region, egg the leadership to accept our position
1263[12:10 AM] Omega: If I wasn't blocking it they would have already ruled everything was legal. No matter what the law said.(edited)
1264[12:11 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I could withdraw my assent to you two too :stuck_out_tongue:
1265[12:11 AM] Ike: Would that be viable?
1266[12:11 AM] Omega: Not needed
1267[12:11 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): How they would come to that conclusion, we'll never know :stuck_out_tongue:
1268[12:11 AM] Omega: And no, that requires a recall actually.
1269[12:11 AM] Omega: That part was decided with Consite.
1270[12:12 AM] Ike: Right
1271[12:12 AM] Ike: And if the confirmation does not, in fact, count as an election
1272[12:12 AM] Ike: Then who is required to hold it, and what crime was committed by Funk's regime in doing so?
1273[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Then ady and omega are out
1274[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And funk made their threads illegally
1275[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And those votes are illegal
1276[12:12 AM] Omega: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10187201/1/#new
1277[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And it has to be the convenor
1278[12:12 AM] Ike: Because the Convenor is required to hold them, or?
1279[12:12 AM] Ike: Ah
1280[12:13 AM] Omega: Yeah but no one can rule on that.
1281[12:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yeah
1282[12:13 AM] Ike: Did Funk administrate the voting on the Prelate confirmations?
1283[12:13 AM] Omega: He stared the threads.
1284[12:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): For ady and onega
1285[12:13 AM] Omega: Yes
1286[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The deputy convenors did kk
1287[12:14 AM] Omega: Right
1288[12:14 AM] Ike: But did the Convenor/Deputies adminster the votings on Omega and Adytus?
1289[12:14 AM] Ike: As in, opening voting and closing
1290[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): No
1291[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Funk did
1292[12:14 AM] Ike: Funk did
1293[12:14 AM] Ike: Right
1294[12:14 AM] Ike: And to be clear, he closed the vote and tallied the results?
1295[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yes
1296[12:14 AM] Ike: Which is illegal. Smoking gun right there.
1297[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): As he also did with the guardian votes
1298[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): No
1299[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Not if it was an election
1300[12:15 AM] Ike: If it was election his treason was in allowing new citizens to vote
1301[12:15 AM] Ike: We already established that
1302[12:15 AM] Omega: Well maybe. It depends on if it was an election.
1303[12:15 AM] Ike: He's in the wrong either way.
1304[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): There weren't new citizens on that
1305[12:15 AM] Omega: Right.
1306[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): No he isn't, not necessarily
1307[12:16 AM] Ike: But if they count as regular elections,  then CoS and KK are instead invalid
1308[12:16 AM] Omega: No, he either a. wrongly ran a vote
1309or b. allowed citizens to vote in an election he should have administered.
1310[12:16 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Actually can anyone tell me why he was able to administrate the guardian votes?
1311[12:16 AM] Omega: Again, also likely illegal.
1312[12:16 AM] Ike: So to reiterate
1313[12:16 AM] Ike: If it wasn't an election, the flaw is that he illegitimately administered the vote
1314[12:17 AM] Omega: Right.
1315[12:17 AM] Ike: If it was, the flaw is that he let new citizens vote on KK and CoS?
1316[12:17 AM] Omega: Yeah. He compromised the court then
1317[12:17 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The catch here is that the elections act says that prelate confirmations are administered as council votes
1318[12:17 AM] Ike: Which means they are elections
1319[12:17 AM] Ike: Though Lamb claims they aren't subject to the regular cycle
1320[12:17 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Whether or not that means an election commissioner can still administer them is unclear
1321[12:18 AM] Ike: What does the Mandate say about who administers council votes?
1322[12:18 AM] Ike: The convenor, yes?
1323[12:18 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Which is a whole nother question entirely
1324[12:18 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yes
1325[12:18 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): That we haven't gone over yet
1326[12:18 AM] Ike: What are the official pwoers of the Election Commissioner?
1327[12:18 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Look at the elections act
1328[12:20 AM] Ike: So it gives him clear powers to open and close elections
1329[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Right
1330[12:20 AM] Ike: So if it was an election he had every right to administer it, he just violated the part where new citizens can't vote
1331[12:20 AM] Ike: And if it wasn't, it was a council vote, whereby he'd be illegitimate
1332[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well
1333[12:21 AM] Omega: Wait when was Funk made EC?
1334[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Er
1335[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): What's the law about ECs?(edited)
1336[12:22 AM] Omega: They serve an unlimited term, but was he ever appointed?
1337[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If prelate votes are elections, then Funk was valid in his administration of Adytus and Omega's votes, but Tom and The13th were invalid and therefore KK's and CoS's votes are illegal. This also opens the can of worms on whether or not the law about new citizens applies— if it does, it adds extra illegality to KK's and CoS's votes. 
1338If prelate votes are not elections, then Funk was illegal in his administration of Adytus and Omega's votes but KK's and CoS's vote are perfectly legal.
1339[12:26 AM] Ike: It must certainly apply, the law specifically states it applies to elections
1340[12:27 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): But only to regular or special elections
1341[12:27 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Which ostensibly according to lamb a prelate election is not
1342[12:28 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Anyway, night all
1343[12:28 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): See you 500 messages and another recall later in the morning
1344[12:29 AM] Pherttsylvania: lol
1345[12:29 AM] Pherttsylvania: good night
1346[12:29 AM] Ike: o/
1347[12:35 AM] Ike: In his point of order, Somy asked the Convenor to look into the validity of the votes
1348[12:35 AM] Ike: Can the Convenor rule that the votes were, in fact, illegal?
1349[12:36 AM] Omega: No because we don't allow points of order
1350[12:36 AM] Ike: Ah
1351[12:37 AM] Ike: And since CoS would have been confirmed without the influx of new votes, he is by all means legally entitled to take up the position of Prelate with the CB's blessing?
1352[12:37 AM] Ike: Or, would be, should the votes be ruled invalid
1353[12:42 AM] Omega: Alright make sure they don't make any crazy rulings while I sleep. Good night all.
1354[12:43 AM] Ike: o/
1355[12:49 AM] Amerion: Well, I'm in a legal pickle
1356[12:49 AM] Ike: It's alright, we got your back
1357[12:49 AM] Amerion: The question I have right now is how hard to fight back or to fight back at all
1358[12:50 AM] Ike: Fight back hard. Leave it sizzling
1359[12:50 AM] Ike: We need as many voices calling out the bullshit as possible
1360[12:50 AM] Amerion: Submit a criminal complaint against Lamb?
1361[12:51 AM] Ike: It would be token, given the paralyzation of the court
1362[12:51 AM] Ike: We have no solid evidence, and even though he's being a right dick, I don't see harassment
1363[12:51 AM] Ike: Not yet
1364[12:51 AM] Pherttsylvania: thanks entirely to his half assed proposals
1365[12:52 AM] Amerion: Okay, well I have seven days before I need to submit anything to that Court so I'll leave it for now and remain focused on arguing in the CC
1366[12:52 AM] Omega: Okay can't sleep yet
1367[12:52 AM] Ike: lol
1368[12:52 AM] Omega: First off you don't need to submit anything. The court doesn't have the judges it needs in order to do anything
1369[12:53 AM] Omega: Second off, the person who accepted the case has no legal right to do so.
1370[12:53 AM] Omega: So really you don't need to do anything.
1371[12:53 AM] Omega: You're fine
1372[12:53 AM] Omega: Focus on the CC
1373[12:56 AM] Ike: https://pastebin.com/g16yC07T
1374Pastebin
1375WE, THE UNDERSIGNED CITIZENS OF THE CELESTIAL UNION OF LAZARUS, In recognitio - Pastebin.com
1376
1377[12:56 AM] Pherttsylvania: are these guys really always such asshole punks on voice chat?
1378[12:56 AM] Ike: @here Tell me what you think. Not necessarily presenting it yet but I want your opinions
1379[12:56 AM] Ike: Yes.
1380[12:56 AM] Amerion: @Pherttsylvania , what are they saying?
1381[12:56 AM] Amerion: No worries @Omega
1382[12:56 AM] Ike: I'm tempted to join but I'd probably just be the target of endless mocking
1383[12:56 AM] Pherttsylvania: luckily i've never listened to it until now, but I feel bad for Harm talking to such assholes and their blatant racism
1384[12:59 AM] Atlantica: (for reference, they were doing a typical mockery of East Asian languages and accents)
1385[12:59 AM] Omega: I like it
1386[1:00 AM] Ike: I mean I'm generally the kind of person to find that fucking hilarious
1387[1:00 AM] Pherttsylvania: I don't.
1388[1:00 AM] Ike: FIVE DOLLA ROV YOU RONG TIME
1389[1:00 AM] Omega: I think it's a good petition and I would sign it
1390[1:00 AM] Pherttsylvania: lol
1391[1:00 AM] Pherttsylvania: 10 years ago I would have crushed those guys skulls
1392[1:00 AM] Thatcher: @Ike Could I comment on the petition?
1393[1:00 AM] Pherttsylvania: just like an internet thug except not
1394[1:01 AM] Ike: sure thing
1395[1:10 AM] Omega: @Atlantica what did you send Lamb?
1396[1:10 AM] Thatcher: Okay... Line 3 could we say 'Domestic and Foreign'
1397
1398Line 11 So what? It need to be used as evidence not as an argument. quote this with another declaration, not as its own.
1399
1400Line 13 could we say 'Dually'
1401
1402Line 17 and 19 should be merged.
1403
1404Line 23 seems like it keep repeating previous stuff. I don't know Laz's govt too well, sp ehh.
1405
1406Line 25 and 27 should be merged.
1407
1408Line 29 'The system" could we say something else? perhaps 'the legitimate rules that government and constitution of Lazarus' or an equivalent?
1409
1410Line 29 'the Lazarene democracy...' I guess itmight be just taste here. :stuck_out_tongue:
1411[1:13 AM] Atlantica: I send him a telegram from my puppet Atlantica listened to the Libcord VC and saying:
1412"I remain firm and unbroken in my vow of silence, and I shall not be swayed by your needless provocations. My voice is nowhere and yet it is everywhere; by my silence I have become one with the Holy Spirit and the Seven Heavens and your diabolical attempts to change this have not gone unnoticed by the Father above. You may have stolen Funkadelia's soul, but you shall not steal mine for my soul has totally become one with the Holy Spirit and the Son. REPENT!"(edited)
1413[1:13 AM] Omega: Okay then
1414[1:14 AM] Omega: What's Libcord?
1415[1:14 AM] Omega: (You can tell I don't R/D)
1416[1:14 AM] Ike: R/D VC xD
1417[1:14 AM] Atlantica: The Discord server Defenders coordinate on
1418[1:14 AM] Omega: Okay cool
1419[3:10 AM] Thatcher: The GP forum seems to have gotten heated...(edited)
1420[3:11 AM] Atlantica: Everyone needs to go on the VC and listen to Funk's tirade if possible. It's rather interesting and it seems like he's on the cusp of saying something big every other minute.
1421[3:11 AM] Ike: He might shut up if he notices I'm there
1422[3:11 AM] Ike: Just write down what he says that's important
1423[3:11 AM] Amerion: Can u provide updates?
1424[3:11 AM] Amerion: In a cinema right now
1425[3:13 AM] Pherttsylvania: I got too worked up to stay in there sorry
1426[3:13 AM] Pherttsylvania: I couldn't believe how Funk and Lamb were provoking Harm
1427[3:13 AM] Ike: Watch the damn movie Amerion, stop distracting people, you can check this later :stuck_out_tongue:
1428[3:13 AM] Atlantica: I'm recording the conversation right now on Vocaroo.
1429He's been talking about how he coordinated the resistance and contacted Kazmr, leading to the liberation of the NLO (in fact he said that without him, the NLO would still rule Lazarus) and to a lesser extent that he got the region back together after Kowassati quit Laz. He keeps saying that he's the glue that holds the region together.
1430[3:14 AM] Pherttsylvania: and to a lesser extent I suppose myself as acting like a hillbilly
1431[3:14 AM] Ike: Well, until recently, he wasn't wrong
1432[3:15 AM] Amerion: Haha okay  @Ike
1433[3:15 AM] Amerion: Cool, hope I can listen to it later  @Atlantica
1434[3:15 AM] Atlantica: Keep in mind that it's incomplete, because I wasn't recording it at first.(edited)
1435[3:28 AM] Ike: I encourage you to continue recording, but cool cat, it's 3:30 and we all need our sleep. Don't feel compelled to stay up all night watching some drunk nerd online rave about his political ego.
1436[3:28 AM] Atlantica: My timezone is Pacific, it's only 12:30 for me
1437[3:28 AM] Ike: Lucky bastard
1438[3:29 AM] Ike: I bet you and Tai get up to all sorts of shit
1439[3:29 AM] Atlantica: That being said, he's not talking about the NLO right now, but I'm still recording and I never know if he'll be talking about it in the future
1440[3:30 AM] Ike: Your record-keeping skills would make Nixon jealous.(edited)
1441[3:30 AM] Atlantica: If I wasn't recording right now I would be laughing my ass off when you mentioned Tai.
1442[3:31 AM] Ike: Funniest part is that everyone here knows who he is, but at the same time they don't.
1443[3:31 AM] Ike: The only thing I hate about GP, aside from all the toxic bullshit, is that no one ever says "bit late Ike"
1444[3:31 AM] Ike: It just makes the whole thing feel so empty
1445[3:32 AM] Atlantica: I just love that roleplayer/gameplayer duality.
1446[3:32 AM] Atlantica: Everyone knows who he his, yet no one does.
1447[3:33 AM] Ike: A genius move on his part to keep the personalities separate
1448[3:33 AM] Atlantica: But yes, GP could use a few more bit late Ikes
1449[3:34 AM] Atlantica: Even if he didn't keep them separate I doubt that anyone in the Senate would care.
1450[3:34 AM] Ike: It might make a difference to all the GPers who use his supposed inactivity as a fault
1451[3:37 AM] Atlantica: True, true, although he was open about who his main was. If his opponents wanted to use that line, then they could've. It wouldn't take that much digging.
1452[3:37 AM] Ike: Fair enough. Codgy old bastard.
1453[3:37 AM] Ike: Anyway, I'm gonna get some sleep now. Peace all. Great first day, truly fantastic
1454[3:37 AM] Pherttsylvania: Even now I don't fully understand the intricacies of NS. I don't understand the extremes that are taken to in order to avoid  self identification.
1455[3:37 AM] Ike: Well, some of us are more reluctant than others
1456[3:38 AM] Ike: I'm fairly open about my first name and the city I live in, but not much beyond that
1457[3:38 AM] Atlantica: Night Ike!
1458[3:38 AM] Ike: I have some NSers on my facebook even
1459[3:38 AM] Ike: Meanwhile people like Atlantica, I've never heard his voice, no idea what he looks like, even though really I've known him for a year
1460[3:38 AM] Ike: All I know is that he's some commie from the west coast
1461[3:38 AM] Pherttsylvania: I'll get there I hope
1462[3:38 AM] Pherttsylvania: lol
1463[3:38 AM] Ike: One day :stuck_out_tongue:
1464[3:40 AM] Atlantica: I certainly am a very private person who keeps his RL and NS identities nigh-totally separate. I'm open about my politics and the region where I'm from, but beyond that I'm completely private.
1465[3:41 AM] Ike: Admirable, almost. Quite the contrast between players. Someone like Tim, get to know him well enough, you know his first and last name, where he was born, his city, his college, his RL life, all that shit
1466[3:41 AM] Ike: And others, they go five years without spilling one detail
1467[3:44 AM] Pherttsylvania: I can appreciate that, @Atlantica .  My personal background is that I'm from Pennsylvania originally, graduated from Penn State, and served in the U.S. Navy for 6 years.
1468[3:45 AM] Atlantica: I think that generally reflects my playing style in NS Gameplay (not in RP because it's just a completely different environment, including the Senate). Someone like you is very open about your GP positions and won't hesitate to advocate for them, but I have found myself preferring to work from the shadows.
1469[3:46 AM] Ike: You do a damn good job at it
1470[3:46 AM] Ike: Even I have found myself on the receiving end of your shady deeds :stuck_out_tongue:
1471[3:47 AM] Pherttsylvania: I personally welcome online thugs to come find me if they have misgivings haha
1472[3:48 AM] Pherttsylvania: I have an honorable discharge already, so anyone who wants to cause trouble with me  isn't going to impact my veterans' benefits lol
1473[3:50 AM] Atlantica: If you're referring to the RSP, that wasn't my doing at all and I just went along with it; Lykens and to a lesser extent Pruss orchestrated everything in the RSP. I was more moderate and willing to compromise than them, actually; I was fine with keeping you on as a purely ceremonial chairman and figurehead, but they wanted to oust you entirely because they didn't like you, presumably due to experiences in Calaverde.
1474[3:51 AM] Ike: Pruss did it because he was a power loving cunt who wanted to stick it to an ideological opponent, he told me as much many times
1475[3:51 AM] Ike: Lykens did it because he found Pruss less annoying.
1476[3:51 AM] Ike: Somehow.
1477[3:51 AM] Morozovia: I'm a pretty open person... have a handful of NS friends on fb
1478[3:52 AM] Ike: Can't be too hard to find you since I know your name :stuck_out_tongue: I won't stalk you though
1479[3:54 AM] Morozovia: Well my fb name isn't the same as my NS name :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
1480[3:54 AM] Atlantica: They're quite close, or at least they were before Pruss was locked up and imprisoned for four months. That being said, I don't know if they still talk regularly. Not that they had a falling out or anything, it's just that Pruss has become busy with life and is doing other things.
1481[3:54 AM] Ike: >,>
1482[3:54 AM] Ike: Well, there was also Pruss threatening to murder me on multiple occasions, calling me a shame to the human race and publicly advocating for the deaths of policemen being held hostage by violent criminals
1483[3:59 AM] Atlantica: Pruss is...a complicated person. He's kind enough if you don't cross him, but if you do then he won't hesitate to freely insult you in ways that are threatening (I don't think he legitimately meant them, but still). I never crossed him and always had a good relationship with him myself. He's a sympathetic character with real struggles and depression, but he still does say the things that he did to you, to Ravenflight or to Merizoc.
1484[4:01 AM] Ike: On a site like this, in communities like these, where thick skin is required to make it anywhere (my forum sig is literally a collection of insults against me), it's always a fool who accuses another of something like cyber-bullying
1485[4:01 AM] Ike: We freely joke about the worst things in the world and rag on each other all the time
1486[4:01 AM] Ike: But I think what Pruss said to me in the years that I knew him were the closest I'd ever experienced to a concerted bullying effort against me on this site
1487[4:01 AM] Ike: Like, he was downright nasty, and not in any kind of game context, it was all personal.
1488[4:02 AM] Ike: He was genuinely trying to make me feel like a worthless human being, so I don't think it'll be very easy to get past that.
1489[4:03 AM] Ike: Anyway, on that cheery note, I'm going to actually pursue sleeping now. Don't want to wake up halfway through the day like yesterday.
1490[4:05 AM] Atlantica: Goodnight Ike, and as some final words before you do to sleep I'll say that it's a point of pride for me, as a member of the Senate, that the more vicious insults in your sig come from members of the Senate rather than members of NS Gameplay :stuck_out_tongue:(edited)
1491[4:10 AM] Pherttsylvania: good night all
1492[7:19 AM] Curious Observations: "I couldn't believe how Funk and Lamb were provoking Harm"
1493[7:20 AM] Curious Observations: Was that the typical and annoying Lamb Stone style of trollish provocation that Funkadelia has adopted, or something more sinister?
1494[7:41 AM] Amerion: I don't know @Curious Observations but I'm curious as well
1495[7:41 AM] Amerion: 
1496
1497[7:42 AM] Amerion: Alt's last comment is astute
1498[7:43 AM] Seraph: :(
1499[8:40 AM] Curious Observations: A region can survive a loss of an off-site forum or off-site chat platform, if necessary.
1500[8:41 AM] Curious Observations: Obviously, this is not a desirable outcome, but not tragic. The hold on the game-side is more dire.
1501[9:21 AM] Lenlyvit: A new Discord can be made, and a new forum as well. @Somyrion (Aumelodia) do you think you can create a back-up forum and start transferring all of Lazarus's laws and stuff?
1502[9:21 AM] Lenlyvit: That way if they lose and try to shut it down, we still have them
1503[9:23 AM] Amerion: I don't think they'll go that far, couping a region is one thing, forum destruction is an entirely separate matter.
1504
1505Nevertheless, it wouldn't hurt to be cautious
1506[9:41 AM] Omega: I'm up to ~20 endos
1507[9:51 AM] Omega: So I still have mod powers in the court. Should I use them?
1508[9:56 AM] Seraph: If I lose this election (which is looking increasingly likely : () I'll switch my WA for y'all.
1509[10:21 AM] Curious Observations: @Amerion the issue wouldn't be forum destruction, but rather forum lockdown.
1510[10:21 AM] Curious Observations: Either way, it's a relatively small issue.
1511[10:22 AM] Curious Observations: Historically, GCR coups typically result in governmental overhauls anyway. If it came to that, this would not be the biggest issue.
1512[10:26 AM] harmoneia: Don't create a new forum just back up data
1513[10:41 AM] Omega: Okay for some reason my SPDR is 11th right now in the region, but I will fall quickly
1514[10:41 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You had more influence in TSP and it's carrying over
1515[10:41 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It'll drop though
1516[10:42 AM] Omega: I'm aware
1517[10:45 AM] Omega: We can not let them take off all of the Prelates from the court.
1518[10:46 AM] Omega: If they do I can say for a fact I won't be let back on.
1519[11:12 AM] Ark: Morning everyone.
1520[11:13 AM] Ark: I'm thinking if we manage to make it out of this successfully, we should hold a constitutional convention. How do you all feel about that?
1521[11:15 AM] Omega: For sure, and make Lamb PNG
1522[11:16 AM] Ark: Mhm.
1523[11:16 AM] Ark: I'm working on what our government could look like post-CU
1524[11:18 AM] Thatcher: Sounds good. @Ark The UDS is going through a convention now, I wouldn't mind helping.
1525[11:19 AM] Ark: I was thinking perhaps, we could essentially switch the roles of Delegate and CB
1526[11:20 AM] Ark: So it would be more like a constitutional monarchy than anything else.
1527[11:20 AM] Ark: IE Delegate is ACTUALLY bound to vote with the citizenry, and CB would be more like the Prime Minister(edited)
1528[11:20 AM] Ark: Obviously total theme change too
1529[11:22 AM] Amerion: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/pages/law_library
1530[11:22 AM] Amerion: There's this to work off, if ya want
1531[11:27 AM] Ark: Perhaps we can have one election for the Monarch in the scenario, to start the government off, then they rule for life or until removed by the government/passing the line of succession.
1532[11:30 AM] Omega: I think a constitutional monarchy has it's clear merits, and also puts in place a check for a situation like this.
1533[11:30 AM] Ark: Exactly.
1534[11:31 AM] Omega: I also would not be opposed to a bicameral legislature, to help prevent from a bunch of people flooding the lower house and changing everything.
1535[11:32 AM] Ark: I think "Phoenix Kingdom of Lazarus" is quite appropriate, given the whole "rising from the ashes" thing Lazarus has going on.
1536[11:34 AM] Omega: I agree with that.
1537[11:34 AM] Omega: Have the court be 5 justices, one from the Monarch, one from the government, and three from the legislature.
1538[11:34 AM] Ark: I'll create a first draft of it soon, then. To share with all of you.
1539[11:34 AM] Omega: Okay sounds good.
1540[11:56 AM] Amerion: I'm on holiday now and I realised that this NS drama is really messing up whatever free time I have left, so I think I'll take a step back on this and the upcoming delegate elections
1541[11:57 AM] Amerion: I think @Somyrion (Aumelodia)  has a very, very, extremely-very (and one more very) strong case to be made if he runs
1542[11:58 AM] Ark: Or
1543[11:58 AM] Ark: Constitutional convention :stuck_out_tongue:
1544[11:58 AM] Ark: Which would change the election Fratt ic ally
1545[11:58 AM] Ark: *drastically
1546[11:58 AM] Amerion: I've made a post on that in the forum private chambers
1547[11:58 AM] Amerion: Let's do it :smiley:
1548[11:59 AM] Ark: I'm working on a draft now.
1549[11:59 AM] Ark: We still have to defeat funk first though.
1550[11:59 AM] Omega: If we call for a convention we should say only citizens who were citizens before July 1st should be able to participate.
1551[12:00 PM] Omega: Just a thought.
1552[12:00 PM] Ark: Sure
1553[12:00 PM] Omega: It would destroy the influence of the imported voters.
1554[12:01 PM] Ark: Yeah
1555[12:04 PM] harmoneia: but more importantly
1556[12:04 PM] harmoneia: the issue at hand first :stuck_out_tongue:
1557[12:05 PM] Amerion: Which is?
1558[12:05 PM] Amerion: It's a waiting game atm
1559[12:07 PM] Ark: @harmoneia unless you've got any ideas, the issue at hand is indeed a waiting game :stuck_out_tongue:
1560[12:08 PM] Omega: I fully expect to be recalled soon.
1561[12:08 PM] Amerion: If that happens, we will argue tooth and nail against it
1562[12:09 PM] Omega: I hope so.
1563[12:09 PM] Amerion: I know so
1564[12:09 PM] Omega: I just think that is the next logical course of action for them, if I'm taken off they can easily get someone on who will just rule how they need him to.
1565[12:20 PM] Seraph: Might I suggest that you don't include a theme change in your constitutional convention.  It seems to me that Lazarus gets enough ridicule from constant theme changes as it is.
1566[12:21 PM] Curious Observations: Might I suggest writing a document that does not include, reference, or proscribe a theme at all?
1567[12:28 PM] Ark: I can't stand the CU at all tbh
1568[12:29 PM] Ark: So if anything I'd go with Curious Observation's idea. We can let a theme kind of develop itself
1569[12:31 PM] harmoneia: I suggest we gather all all evidences including CO's data at the moment
1570[12:31 PM] harmoneia: A list of everything that has become suspicious
1571[12:32 PM] harmoneia: starting from Constie (okay maybe not) or Loft's unceremonious removal
1572[12:32 PM] harmoneia: to everything else that followed - including the harassment DM
1573[12:32 PM] harmoneia: 's
1574[12:33 PM] Seraph: I have no issue with the CU, other than it's quasi-religious trappings, which make me a bit uncomfortable...
1575[12:33 PM] Seraph: We could keep the same theme but include a revolution against the Celestial Being in the lore. :stuck_out_tongue:
1576[12:34 PM] Seraph: That would explain why the Sovreign became the new figurehead and a prime minister type role was required.  But I'm getting ahead of myself.
1577[12:34 PM] Ark: Meh
1578[12:34 PM] Ark: I just don't like the space part
1579[12:34 PM] Ark: Or any of it
1580[12:35 PM] Ark: Really
1581[12:35 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
1582[12:35 PM] Omega: I don't like themes
1583[12:35 PM] harmoneia: please make a separate channel for discussing themes.
1584[12:35 PM] Ark: I think it would be better if there wasn't an assigned theme
1585[12:35 PM] harmoneia: >_>
1586[12:35 PM] Ark: <_<
1587[12:36 PM] harmoneia: or any after-plan for that matter
1588[12:36 PM] harmoneia: because right now we are on the losing end
1589[12:36 PM] Omega: What if we got 2 channels: one that was #right_now and one that was #when_we _win
1590[12:36 PM] Thatcher: ^
1591[12:36 PM] Omega: @Ike
1592[12:37 PM] harmoneia: pls :stuck_out_tongue:
1593[12:37 PM] Ark: Fair enough.
1594[12:38 PM] Omega: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) are we keeping that sheet up to date?
1595[12:46 PM] Seraph: It doesn't look like it right now.
1596[12:54 PM] Omega: Seraph want to help me work on a story for that paper we are making?
1597[12:57 PM] Omega: I was thinking it will be about the hypocrisy presented by Lamb and Funk about how they are happy to exploit loopholes until someone realizes they are and then they immediately change their narrative to be against the loophole and condemn those who abused it (them).
1598[1:04 PM] Seraph: I can try.  I haven't been following all the relevant threads, though (there hasn't been much time), so I'm not sure how much use I'll be.  Still, I'm very happy to support.
1599[1:18 PM] Omega: Okay good deal
1600[1:59 PM] Omega: Here's where I will be writing the article: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K9p6MLia8JToAhBAfZyu2mn8BD17n1FIapmCDidXPS0/edit?usp=sharing
1601Google Docs
1602TLG Editon 1
1603TLG Edition 1What Happens When the Leaders of a Region Ignore its Laws? Lazarus Happens As many people across NS GP are aware by now, there have been some, let’s say, shenanigans, going on in Lazarus. It would appear as though there are two factions, one that advocates rule by law, and one tha...
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1605[2:39 PM] Omega: Okay article done. Take a look and make any edits you think it needs @everyone
1606[2:51 PM] thechurchofsatan: The assertion that we have broken laws is incorrect. I would remove that part.
1607[2:52 PM] Omega: Could you highlight it real quick?
1608[2:53 PM] Omega: Okay what else?
1609[2:55 PM] Ike: Where do we intend to publish this? Seems to be a brief FYI
1610[2:55 PM] Omega: We can add to it and stuff.
1611[2:56 PM] Omega: I just wanted to get everything I had so far on paper.
1612[2:56 PM] thechurchofsatan: I fixed a couple typos beforehand but aside from that it seems fine. How about adding a part about taking advantage of a loophole that allows them to hold and close votes at their discretion. A loophole they made sure to preserve.
1613Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/18/2017
1614[2:57 PM] Ike: You should very clearly point out the parts where Funk has broken the law in his handling of the confirmations
1615[2:57 PM] Omega: I never figured out that loop hole. IS it the emergency provisions one?
1616[2:58 PM] thechurchofsatan: Remember the amendment on shortening voting times we tried to pass? That vote failed because they made sure to kill it.
1617[2:58 PM] Omega: Again y'all feel free to add to it. This is not just my article.(edited)
1618[2:59 PM] Omega: Wait which one. The one I proposed earlier?
1619[3:00 PM] thechurchofsatan: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10236904/1/
1620[3:13 PM] Omega: Okay I have to go so feel free to just add what needs to be added
1621[3:14 PM] Omega: I trust y'all
1622[3:14 PM] Ark: See you later, Comrade.
1623[3:14 PM] thechurchofsatan: Just FYI, that 14 minute proposal was a motion of no confidence in me as prelate.
1624[3:15 PM] Ark: :confused:
1625[3:19 PM] Omega: Add it in to the article! I can't really from mobile
1626[3:31 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just fyi, I'm not running for delegate, I need to defend >.>
1627[3:31 PM] Ike: If we're forming a united bloc to run a delegate, it should be someone who already has a decent bit of influence, activity and endorsements
1628[3:32 PM] Ike: Like Harm or Amerion
1629[3:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion's said he's not
1630[3:32 PM] Ike: right
1631[3:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Doperland?
1632[3:32 PM] Ike: Don't think he much wants to either
1633[3:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
1634[3:34 PM] Doperland: Yeah, I'd prefer to not take the Delegacy.
1635[3:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Omega "denied Church of Satan a Prelate seat were illegal if the Prelate votes were election’s OR Funk illegally administered the Prelate votes for Omega and Adytus if they were not elections" this is not necessarily true
1636[3:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): depending on the interpretation of the new citizen clause
1637[3:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what is true is that if it was an election, they're still invalid
1638[3:34 PM] Omega: Just put it in there. I can't really edit easily right now
1639[3:35 PM] Ike: What about Moot? If he's active
1640[3:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can we make this article a little more interesting and less obviously one-sided
1641[3:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
1642[3:44 PM] Lenlyvit: If we create a constitutional monarchy or whatever you guys were talking about, I think we will need something that handles other allegiances. Such as, when you take office you need to foreswear your vows to other regions or people publicly while at the same time publicly swearing to Lazarus and its people
1643[3:45 PM] Lenlyvit: is totally not thinking about the NPO, sorry Ark
1644[3:59 PM] Wintermoot: What about me? v_v
1645[4:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): will you run for delegate? :stuck_out_tongue:
1646[4:02 PM] Wintermoot: Against Funk?
1647[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Probably, yes
1648[4:05 PM] thechurchofsatan: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) it's more accurate than you think. Just days before the expedited vote I was reconfirmed unanimously. Even Funk and lamb voted for me. They changed their minds four days after the vote ended and stonewalled it to keep me out of the court.
1649[4:06 PM] Ike: We need someone who can be consistently active
1650[4:06 PM] Wintermoot: I don't think my candidacy would be successful...for one, I'm the leader of another region.
1651[4:06 PM] Ike: riiiight
1652[4:07 PM] Wintermoot: And two, I lost election for DotR last time :stuck_out_tongue:
1653[4:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike?
1654[4:08 PM] Ike: Well
1655[4:08 PM] Ike: I guess I can
1656[4:08 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you ran last time
1657[4:08 PM] Ike: I lost
1658[4:08 PM] Ike: But the person who beat me went inactive
1659[4:08 PM] Ike: >_>
1660[4:08 PM] Ike: I'll do it if there's no one better, I guess.
1661[4:09 PM] Wintermoot: How important is it that we win that seat?
1662[4:09 PM] Atlantica: I don't think that you should run because I don't think that you're particularly popular amongst a certain section of Lazarenes. Someone more uncontroversial should run.
1663[4:09 PM] Ike: That's what I was thinking
1664[4:09 PM] Ike: A lot of people don't like me
1665[4:10 PM] Doperland: Honestly, I'd run, but I know I wouldn't be able to be very active.
1666[4:10 PM] Ike: Activity is a must
1667[4:10 PM] Doperland: Mhmm.
1668[4:10 PM] thechurchofsatan: I would suggest either Omega or Aumelodia.
1669[4:10 PM] Ark: I can run, if you all want. But I know that some of you have reservations, so maybe omega is better.
1670[4:10 PM] Ike: Somy won't run, as much as I want him to
1671[4:11 PM] Ike: Ark you would make a great delegate but there's no way in hell anyone would vote for you
1672[4:11 PM] Ark: I've been here a decently long time now.
1673[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If Omega is willing, he would be good
1674[4:11 PM] Ark: At least enough that natives don't automatically hate me :stuck_out_tongue:
1675[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and they will cry NPO no matter what
1676[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
1677[4:11 PM] Ike: ^
1678[4:12 PM] Atlantica: Exactly the problem with Ark running
1679[4:12 PM] Atlantica: We really can't afford to take any risks in this election, and that's a big one
1680[4:13 PM] Ike: We need to find the right balance of high profile and uncontroversial
1681[4:13 PM] Ike: And I can't think of anyone better than Somyrion >_>
1682[4:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I would run but if I lock myself for three months I fear I'll go the way of Altmoras :stuck_out_tongue:
1683[4:14 PM] Ike: I mean when you think about it, it's only one endorsement less per update, you're not too much of a loss compared to the service you'd be doing for Laz :stuck_out_tongue:
1684[4:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): This is why we need the Sovereign to be a ceremonial position and Head of Gov to be WA non-necessary >.>
1685[4:14 PM] Ike: Agreed, but right now we need to find an active head of government and delegate
1686[4:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hmmm
1687[4:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean after the summer it's not like I can update more than once a week
1688[4:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so...
1689[4:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): maybe
1690[4:16 PM] Ike: What we need is maintaining activity as the leader of a GCR through the summer
1691[4:16 PM] Ike: You're the perfect candidate. Active, proven, respected, military chops
1692[4:16 PM] Ike: You're like fucking Charles de Gaulle
1693[4:17 PM] Lenlyvit: And I'm mince meat :wink:
1694[4:17 PM] Ike: You're one of the most high profile wardens, that wouldn't go down too well :stuck_out_tongue:
1695[4:17 PM] Lenlyvit: Ikr? Lolol
1696[4:19 PM] Ike: 
1697
1698[4:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): >.>
1699[4:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): NO CONSCRIPTION
1700[4:20 PM] Ike: FULL CONSCRIPTION
1701[4:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll join the WA in Laz after tsp delegate elections are over
1702[4:20 PM] Ike: Oh shit, what's your influence on your Laz nation anyway?
1703[4:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): p low
1704[4:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it's only ever been in the WA once or twice for a day or so
1705[4:20 PM] Ike: Hm. A challenge, but nothing we can't overcome
1706[4:20 PM] Ark: "This is why we need the Sovereign to be a ceremonial position and Head of Gov to be WA non-necessary >.>" agreed.
1707[4:20 PM] Lenlyvit: ^
1708[4:20 PM] Lenlyvit: Also agreed
1709[4:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just import TSP government to Laz
1710[4:21 PM] Lenlyvit: Lolol
1711[4:21 PM] Ark: That's part of the constitution I'm drafting more or less
1712[4:21 PM] Ike: I think maybe we should propose an amendment to the Mandate in the coming days to accomplish this
1713[4:21 PM] Ike: What Ark said
1714[4:21 PM] Ark: Delegate isn't totally ceremonial, but also can't dissolve the government of Australia at a whim :stuck_out_tongue:
1715[4:22 PM] Ike: >_>
1716[4:22 PM] Atlantica: If there are any ejections that Somy can't perform, Doperland or one of the Guardians can do it for now(edited)
1717[4:22 PM] Lenlyvit: ^
1718[4:22 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): delegate should be a gameside-focused office
1719[4:22 PM] Ark: Yep.
1720[4:22 PM] Andrew: what have i missed?
1721[4:22 PM] Ark: Like I was saying, constitutional monarchy type thing
1722[4:23 PM] Ark: The powers of CB and Soveriegn would be more or less switched
1723[4:23 PM] Ike: I don't think the Delegate should just rule until they feel like retiring
1724[4:23 PM] Ike: We should re-confirm the Delegate every few months
1725[4:23 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Andrew not as much as yesterday :stuck_out_tongue:
1726[4:23 PM] Ark: That seems fair.
1727[4:23 PM] Ark: Or maybe less
1728[4:23 PM] Ark: Two or three times a year maybe
1729[4:23 PM] Ark: That way we can make a celebration out of it too :stuck_out_tongue:
1730[4:24 PM] Ike: Indeed
1731[4:24 PM] Ark: But we still need to focus on right now.
1732[4:24 PM] Ark: IE getting Funkadelia the hell out of office.
1733[4:25 PM] Ike: Right, but at the same time, we should be taking steps to curtail his legal powers
1734[4:25 PM] Ike: And switching the CB/Sovereign roles are a great way to do that
1735[4:25 PM] Ark: I don't think that's gonna happen before elections come around.
1736[4:25 PM] Ike: When are elections, anyway?
1737[4:25 PM] Andrew: i see ur proposing something similair to TSP
1738[4:25 PM] Ark: Next month some time.
1739[4:26 PM] Ark: I am, Andrew. Not identical, but similar in some key ways.
1740[4:26 PM] Ark: The only thing I really want The Delegacy to have power over is appearance.
1741[4:26 PM] Ark: I'm the kind of person who would obsessively change the WFE color scheme every couple of weeks xD
1742[4:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and maybe RMB suppression power?
1743[4:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^^^ that
1744[4:27 PM] Ark: Yeah that too. Regional security powers are a must have
1745[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): if elected delegate, I promise a new WFE color scheme every day!
1746[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): with.....gradients!
1747[4:27 PM] Ark: But nothing like "Chancellor's emergency powers"
1748[4:27 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
1749[4:27 PM] Ark: Ew
1750[4:27 PM] Ark: No
1751[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah no
1752[4:27 PM] Ike: Order 66
1753[4:27 PM] Ark: If you use gradients I will recall you
1754[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): o.o
1755[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what do you have against gradients
1756[4:27 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
1757[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they are beautiful
1758[4:27 PM] Ark: Everything
1759[4:27 PM] Ark: They're horrid
1760[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like TRR's wfe
1761[4:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :heart:
1762[4:27 PM] Ark: Lmao(edited)
1763[4:28 PM] Ike: Let's just all agree that we're loyal to Lazarene democracy, not the theme :stuck_out_tongue:
1764[4:28 PM] Ark: Yes. Fuck the CU theme tbh.
1765[4:29 PM] Ark: No-theme Lazarus is best Lazarus
1766[4:29 PM] Ike: Funk actually had a cool idea awhile back for a new theme
1767[4:29 PM] Ike: It was focused on the undead
1768[4:29 PM] Ark: Meeeeh
1769[4:29 PM] Ike: With a Skeleton King, necromancer cults, etc
1770[4:29 PM] Ike: He wrote a whole constitution
1771[4:29 PM] Ike: It was pretty baller
1772[4:29 PM] Ark: Didn't we already have that at one point
1773[4:29 PM] Lenlyvit: No thanks
1774[4:29 PM] Atlantica: I don't think that RMB suppression power should be handled by the Delegate and instead handled by someone else (such as the Vice-Delegate or an institution similar to the Local Council in TSP; I am quite a fan of the Local Council, simply because it gives the Gameside some power) because making the Delegate completely powerless in Lazarene law really helps enshrine the position as a purely ceremonial and custodial role meant to be a bond of trust to some elder statesperson essentially saying that; "We trust you to appoint the necessary ROs and to not coup."
1775[4:29 PM] Ike: Yeah like 10 years ago
1776[4:29 PM] Lenlyvit: But, loyal to Laz itself I am
1777[4:29 PM] Ike: @Atlantica is right, we can just give security officers suppression power
1778[4:30 PM] Ark: RMB suppression, imho, should be a power the Delegate has
1779[4:30 PM] Ark: But not a power only the Delegate has
1780[4:30 PM] Ark: I think that regional Guardians, for example, should have the power as well.
1781[4:31 PM] Ark: And the Guardianship + Delegate should function akin to a security council in other GCRs
1782[4:34 PM] Ark: So you'd have four branches of government, handling their own shit. 
1783Executive - PM, Ministers, 
1784Legislative - was thinking maybe a senate, I don't care for bicameral stuff
1785Judicial - 5 justices, one picked by the "monarch", one by the executive, three by the legislative 
1786The Monarchy - The monarch (Delegate), Prince/Princess (Vice Del), the Lords (Guardians), would be responsible for ceremonial and security roles.
1787[4:34 PM] Ike: I like it
1788[4:34 PM] Ike: Pseudo-feudal
1789[4:34 PM] Ike: Very top down
1790[4:34 PM] Ark: So the guardians would have direct power to override the Delegate on security matters
1791[4:35 PM] Ike: Although if we have a Monarchy, we'll need a royal family, and by extent you'd expect people with a title like Prince to be part of that family
1792[4:35 PM] Atlantica: I agree very strongly with creating a security council-esque institution (I think that recent days have proven the immense need for such an institution, specifically an institution with powers similar to that of the CRS in TSP) but I don't agree with requiring its members to be necessarily WA-locked, because I think that that may limit the people available for such an institution.
1793[4:35 PM] Ike: So I'd recommend retitling the Vice Delegate position to like, Regent or King's Hand or something
1794[4:35 PM] Ark: Well
1795[4:35 PM] Ark: I like Regent
1796[4:36 PM] Ark: And as for how guardians are picked
1797[4:36 PM] Atlantica: Also, I don't think that the monarch should really have any power in regards to security or choosing the judiciary, because that creates a degree of competence in matters that the citizenry may consider when choosing a Delegate, which is want I want to avoid because I simply want the Delegacy to be a position of trust and trust alone.
1798[4:36 PM] Ark: My thought was we could have each branch nominate one Guardian for confirmation, except for the monarchy
1799[4:37 PM] Ark: Because the Vice Del would basically the Monarchy's Guardian
1800[4:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we stay away from the names please? :stuck_out_tongue:
1801[4:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's the most petty part
1802[4:38 PM] Seraph: If I don't make it to delegate in TSP you can make me your puppet delegate. :P
1803[4:38 PM] Ark: We can sort out names later, yeah.
1804[4:38 PM] Ark: And the monarchy nominating one justice isn't that bad
1805[4:38 PM] Ike: Yeah maybe it's a bit early to be going over new theme ideas. 20 people in here and I'm sure we all have different ideas of what would be best
1806[4:39 PM] Ark: It's not a theme, it's a government
1807[4:39 PM] Ark: These ware just working terms
1808[4:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and this all depends on the 60+% chance we lose the election and none of this happens :stuck_out_tongue:
1809[4:40 PM] Ark: Don't be pessimistic >_>
1810[4:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well it's no use planning something that's never going to happen if we could better use that time trying to make it possible in the first place
1811[4:41 PM] Ark: And what do you propose we do with this time?
1812[4:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Work on finding ways to unsettle Funk and make capturing the election possible
1813[4:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): internal recruitment
1814[4:44 PM] Ark: That's kind of vague, and it seems like it's what we're doing now anyways
1815[4:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can't give specific ideas other than it seems to me this is unproductive :p
1816[4:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): but continue, things seem to be calm right now
1817[4:49 PM] Omega: Do I need to run for Delegate?
1818[4:50 PM] Omega: Someone floated my name. If I absolutely need to I will.
1819[4:51 PM] Ike: Maybe, but I think Somy is our best option right now
1820[4:51 PM] Omega: Okay
1821[4:51 PM] Omega: I'll just offer myself if it's what would be best for Lazarus
1822[4:53 PM] Seraph: I think Somy would be the most likely to win?
1823[4:53 PM] Seraph: But yeah, lots of willing candidates, I guess.
1824[4:53 PM] Ike: Somy has a higher profile and better reputation
1825[4:53 PM] Seraph: Indeed.
1826[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Seraph do you still have that interview you did of me a while ago? :stuck_out_tongue:
1827[4:54 PM] Omega: I agree
1828[4:55 PM] Seraph: Yes.
1829[4:55 PM] Seraph: It's still sitting on the forum in code form, too.
1830[4:55 PM] Seraph: At least, I assume it still is.  It was last time I checked.
1831[4:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ah
1832[5:02 PM] Seraph: Do you feel the need to resurrect it in some form?
1833[5:04 PM] Omega: Okay so what needs to be done for the article?
1834[5:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just curious
1835[5:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It might be useful in propaganda, oddly, of some form :p
1836[5:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not sure though
1837[5:12 PM] Ark: @Doperland seriously? >_>
1838[5:12 PM] Doperland: What?
1839[5:13 PM] Ark: If you could just not validate funk's argument that would be nice :ok_hand:
1840[5:13 PM] Ark: Asking for civility is fine, but seriously.
1841[5:14 PM] Doperland: Meh. I'm still not 100% sure I'm even behind this cause 100%
1842[5:14 PM] Ike: Why's that?
1843[5:14 PM] Doperland: Because I'm just not sure.
1844[5:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): mhm
1845[5:15 PM] Doperland: Like, I'm not going to go and join them. But I'm not sure I even want to get involved.
1846[5:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): That's reasonable.
1847[5:15 PM] Doperland: This is exactly what I disapprove of. Division.
1848[5:15 PM] Ike: We want to keep the people of Lazarus united as much as possible
1849[5:16 PM] Ark: If you don't wanna get involved then please don't get involved when I'm arguing with Funk and Lamb at all.
1850[5:16 PM] Ike: But the lines have already been drawn. It's impossible to avoid division at this point
1851[5:16 PM] Ike: The people we've gathered here consist of most of our region's active citizenry
1852[5:16 PM] Ike: There aren't too many people left to be divided
1853[5:17 PM] Doperland: True.
1854[5:17 PM] Ark: I'm actually trying to get them to slip up, so basically defending them didn't help.
1855[5:17 PM] Doperland: And Ark, personally, I still trust Funk. I don't support him, but I trust him a little.
1856[5:18 PM] Ike: You don't need to be vocal if you don't want to, but at this point the people against us are either the Lazarenes deadset on destroying our democracy, or their foreign cronies
1857[5:18 PM] Ike: Don't be silent for silence's sake
1858[5:18 PM] Ark: Either way, I'd prefer it if you didn't jump in with points on either side if you aren't sure.
1859[5:18 PM] Doperland: Fair enough.
1860[5:18 PM] Morozovia: Somy gots my vote :smile:
1861[5:19 PM] Ark: Mine as well.
1862[5:19 PM] Ike: ^^
1863[5:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :smile:
1864[5:43 PM] Omega: Okay so GP, should I keep a presence there on this matter.
1865[5:43 PM] Ike: Indeed
1866[5:47 PM] Omega: Okay will do
1867[6:14 PM] Omega: I'm up to 37 endos
1868[6:14 PM] Ike: Good job.
1869[6:18 PM] Omega: Endoing like 250 people helps
1870[7:10 PM] Lenlyvit: I had 90 within two days in 10000 Islands
1871[7:35 PM] Omega: Noice!
1872[9:13 PM] Ark: Have any of our articles been posted?
1873[9:13 PM] Ark: @here
1874[9:14 PM] Ike: Where would we post them, anyway?
1875[9:14 PM] Ark: NSGP and the Laz forums.
1876[9:14 PM] Ark: @Omega?
1877[9:15 PM] Atlantica: Don't post them on the Laz forums, the IP of whoever posted the article could be tracked
1878[9:15 PM] Ike: We could just have a vocal resistance member post it on behalf of all of us
1879[9:15 PM] Ike: No need to be anonymous with it
1880[9:17 PM] Ark: ^^^
1881[9:17 PM] Ark: Amerion is kind of burnt at the moment, unfortunately.
1882[9:18 PM] Ark: Anything you'd like to contribute, @Curious Observations?
1883[9:35 PM] Omega: No it has not been posted
1884[9:56 PM] Svezjacael: Paper comes from single publisher right? Who have we figured it as?
1885[9:56 PM] Ike: I can, unless anyone else would like to
1886[10:01 PM] Svezjacael: Any works, I just didn't know if it was decided or not.
1887[10:01 PM] Amerion: Ike should then
1888[10:02 PM] Amerion: @Ark yeh, that case has put me on the back foot
1889[10:02 PM] Ark: Yeah.
1890[10:31 PM] Lenlyvit: I'm catching up on the forum a little finally. I see that they're really vociferous on fixing the election laws after they got their way and the positions they wanted
1891[10:31 PM] Ike: Yeah, it's just a lampshade
1892[10:31 PM] Ike: They want to make it look like they're addressing the issue
1893[10:32 PM] Ark: Yep.
1894[10:34 PM] Doperland: 
1895
1896[10:34 PM] Doperland: Probably sarcasm but still.
1897[10:35 PM] Ike: The problem is he most likely means it, but Funk can use his apparent sarcasm as an excuse
1898[10:35 PM] Doperland: Yeah...
1899[10:37 PM] Lenlyvit: waves his hand around I need an explanation on who "The Empire" is pls
1900[10:37 PM] Doperland: LKE if that makes more sense not that I know what the acronym stands for
1901[10:37 PM] Lenlyvit: Fucking phone
1902[10:38 PM] Ike: Well
1903[10:38 PM] Ike: It's a cabal of four people
1904[10:38 PM] Lenlyvit: The Land of Kings and Emperors?
1905[10:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the empire is a group of four people
1906[10:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not them :stuck_out_tongue:
1907[10:38 PM] Ike: Dalimbar, Biyah, Neenee, and...
1908[10:38 PM] Doperland: Oh? Not the LKE?
1909[10:38 PM] Ike: Who was the other
1910[10:38 PM] Ike: Neo Kervoskia?
1911[10:38 PM] Doperland: Ooh
1912[10:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I think
1913[10:38 PM] Ike: Dali, Biyah, Neenee and NK
1914[10:38 PM] Ike: They took over a feeder awhile back
1915[10:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): who're known for couping GCRs
1916[10:38 PM] Ike: TSP I think?
1917[10:38 PM] Ike: Yeah
1918[10:38 PM] Atlantica: TEP
1919[10:38 PM] Ike: Ah
1920[10:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and other stuff like that
1921[10:39 PM] Lenlyvit: So, they really control Osi and TWP?
1922[10:39 PM] Ike: So every so often they re-emerge from the shadows
1923[10:39 PM] Ike: Well, maybe
1924[10:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): there's a lot of conspiracy stuff about them
1925[10:39 PM] Ike: Biyah was more or less exiled because he's a piece of garbage human being
1926[10:39 PM] Ike: Dalimbar retired
1927[10:39 PM] Ike: Neenee seems to be not getting up to too much these days
1928[10:39 PM] Ike: Only NK is making real moves
1929[10:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and NK is del of Osi
1930[10:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Rahl is a NS family that has a bunch of the Empire members as prominent leaders
1931[10:41 PM] Atlantica: Back in 2008, although they later attempted to take control of TRR and TSP in 2011, served as a cabal in Osiris in many respects under the KRO (until they were purged in late 2013), had some power in the PRL, rose to power in Osiris after Cormac's coup and now apparently rule TWP (I don't really know TWP's history that well)
1932^That's the very very very simplified version
1933[10:41 PM] Ike: The deal with TWP is like
1934[10:41 PM] Ike: I was there in early 2015
1935[10:42 PM] Ike: Darkesia was Delegate, Milograd brought me and a friend over to bring some kind of political revolution
1936[10:42 PM] Ike: My friend, who we'll call Carlos, ended up getting on Elegarth's nerves, so after he beat Elegarth in an election for Prime Minister, and probably heir apparent to Darkesia, he convinced the oligarchy to ban him from the region(edited)
1937[10:43 PM] Ike: She eventually goes, I forget who replaced her as Delegate.
1938[10:43 PM] Ike: Whoever it was chose Badger as their successor, and he rises to power
1939[10:43 PM] Ike: Fresh new face, the only one who managed to get past the aristocracy
1940[10:43 PM] Ike: Few weeks ago he purged the TWP guardianship of some old, established members
1941[10:43 PM] Ike: Some call it a coup. I approve of his actions, since most of the people he purged were cunts
1942[10:43 PM] Ike: Badger also happens to be in the Rahl family
1943[10:51 PM] Omega: This is so bad
1944[10:51 PM] Omega: If Enpire is invoked though I would think I could rally some allies.
1945[10:51 PM] Ike: If we drag the Empire into this, they could rally theirs
1946[10:51 PM] Ark: Empire is not a cabal of four people.
1947[10:51 PM] Ike: I don't think it's an Empire scheme
1948[10:51 PM] Ark: At least, not anymore.
1949[10:51 PM] Atlantica: I have no love for the TWP old guard but it's still a blatant takeover by Badger (who I may add is the successor to Dali as the Patriarch of one of the four Rahl Clans; NK, Neenee and Biyah are the other three Patriarchs), considering the fact that he kept Neenee on as a Guardian even though she's just as much of a member of the old guard as the others are.
1950A reading of TWP's history page shows that Darkesia was briefly succeeded by Mediobogdum, then by United RussoAsia (the guy that gave his nation to DEN after he became unpopular with the Guardians), then by Mediobogdum and finally by Elegarth.
1951[10:51 PM] Ike: I think it's just handy that this lines up in the Empire's interests
1952[10:52 PM] Ark: Hey, this isn't about Empire.
1953[10:52 PM] Ark: This isn't about the Rahls
1954[10:52 PM] Ike: It isn't and won't be
1955[10:52 PM] Ike: Well
1956[10:52 PM] Ark: Or TWP
1957[10:52 PM] Ark: This is about Lazarus.
1958[10:52 PM] Ike: ^^
1959[10:52 PM] Ike: It's best that we discard any notions of Empire/Rahl conspiracy
1960[10:52 PM] Ike: There's little basis for it, and it doesn't make us look good
1961[10:52 PM] Ark: And I am fucking sick and tired of everyone threadjacking us for their own petty agendas.
1962[10:53 PM] Ark: So here's the deal.
1963[10:53 PM] Ark: We are going to do everything in our power to make everyday hell for Funkadelia and his cronies.
1964[10:54 PM] Ark: We are going to make him feel like he's losing control of the situation.
1965[10:54 PM] Atlantica: Any risk involved in having Empire/the Rahls dragging their people into this isn't relevant because they already got their people. I don't think there are any major political risks involved, although if as a matter of principle we don't want to use that as a part of our rhetoric then that's another matter entirely.
1966[10:55 PM] Ark: And when he feels like he's lost control, he will coup. That's when we bring all of our friends to bare against him, and that's when Lazarus finally gains its independence for the first time in years.
1967[10:55 PM] Ark: But right now, and we can't lie to each other and ourselves, we are just short of laying down and taking this.(edited)
1968[10:56 PM] Ark: So seriously, all of you: it's time to hike up our skirts and defend our home, for better or worse. Struggles like this aren't won by being laid back.
1969[10:56 PM] Lenlyvit: Jesus christ, Cormac went Onderwall didn't he?
1970[10:56 PM] Lenlyvit: Holy fuck man
1971[10:56 PM] Ark: Cormac always goes onderwall.
1972[10:57 PM] Ike: He tried.
1973[10:57 PM] Ike: You should've seen me try to out-Onder Onder in Balder a few months back
1974[10:57 PM] Ike: It was pretty sick
1975[10:58 PM] Doperland: Viva la revolution?
1976[10:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): here's the fndamental question: What can I do right now to defend Lazarus?
1977[10:59 PM] Ark: Piss off Funkadelia. Piss off lamb.
1978[10:59 PM] Ike: I would point out that Funkadelia is moving on with the Amerion case, showing he has no intent of listening to our objections.
1979[10:59 PM] Ark: Angry people make bad decisions. They slip up and admit things.
1980[10:59 PM] Ike: At this point I'd like to bring up the petition again
1981[10:59 PM] Ike: https://pastebin.com/g16yC07T
1982Pastebin
1983WE, THE UNDERSIGNED CITIZENS OF THE CELESTIAL UNION OF LAZARUS, In recognitio - Pastebin.com
1984
1985[11:00 PM] Ike: If we publicly state, all 19 of us, that we do not recognize his attempt to corrupt our judicial system, then his and KK's attempts to hit Amerion will have no legitimacy.
1986[11:00 PM] Ark: I don't know about y'all, but I didn't sign up for this thinking it'd be a walk in the park. If you were expecting easy, get out. Simple as that.
1987[11:01 PM] Atlantica: Funkadelia's not stupid and he'll probably recognize what we're doing (or at least keep control enough not to coup) unless he gets as drunk as he did last night and he's bothered enough already that he does more than just ramble on about how he saved Lazarus from the NLO.
1988[11:01 PM] Ike: We need to exhaust every option we have to be a thorn in his side. Perpetually.
1989[11:01 PM] Ark: He didn't save Lazarus from anything.
1990[11:01 PM] Ike: That means publicly and collectively opposing him at every angle.
1991[11:01 PM] Ark: And besides, that's no excuse for screwing it now.
1992[11:02 PM] Ike: Can I get your thoughts on this here proclamation?
1993[11:02 PM] Ark: I'm reading it now.
1994[11:02 PM] Ike: Got it
1995[11:02 PM] Ike: @here I encourage you all to take a read, this seems like a good idea to me
1996[11:03 PM] Amerion: Just started a tour of some temple. Will read it soon
1997[11:03 PM] Ike: nice nice
1998[11:04 PM] Ark: I think it's solid.
1999[11:04 PM] Ark: And a good start.
2000[11:04 PM] Ike: I'm going to try and get every individual citizen in here to sign
2001[11:04 PM] Ike: Should I add your guys' names?
2002[11:05 PM] Ark: Now anyone who's doing propaganda, get going on that. I want us to blitz funk with opposition propaganda ASAP.
2003[11:05 PM] Ark: Yes.
2004[11:05 PM] Ike: See if you can get Svez to write some more propaganada, he's good at this shit
2005[11:05 PM] Ark: He's already on it.
2006[11:05 PM] Kanglia: I like it Ike
2007[11:06 PM] Ike: You're a citizen, Kanglia?
2008[11:06 PM] Kanglia: It's a good start
2009[11:06 PM] Kanglia: Correct
2010[11:06 PM] Ike: Cooli
2011[11:06 PM] Ark: I want at least one person actively working on Somy's chart. Updating and recruiting round the clock if possible.
2012[11:06 PM] Ark: Atlántica, Kanglia, would you two be up for that?
2013[11:06 PM] Kanglia: I'm sure I can handle it
2014[11:07 PM] Ark: Good. Can someone link the chart here for Kanglia
2015[11:07 PM] Kanglia: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) hit me up with any data I'll need
2016[11:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): fully in support of the document
2017[11:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yep
2018[11:08 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll show you how to edit it
2019[11:08 PM] Ark: We want as many people as possible in the "Union" category. If there is anyone you aren't sure about asking, come to myself, Somy, or Ike.(edited)
2020[11:08 PM] Atlantica: I also fully support the document and I'm fine working with Kanglia on Somy's chart
2021[11:08 PM] Kanglia: :thumbsup: Got it
2022[11:08 PM] Ark: Thank you.
2023[11:08 PM] Ike: The Alliance for the Preservation of the Union
2024[11:08 PM] Ark: This is really starting to go somewhere, guys.
2025[11:08 PM] Ike: Almost like Star Wars.
2026[11:08 PM] Ark: @Ike you might call it
2027[11:08 PM] Ark: The Rebel Alliance
2028[11:08 PM] Ike: I ain't calling it, I'm proclaiming it
2029[11:08 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also, let's make the people in the neutral category top priority for recruitment
2030[11:09 PM] Ark: :^)
2031[11:09 PM] Ike: >_>
2032[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike omega would like that :stuck_out_tongue:
2033[11:09 PM] Ike: Welcome to the Alliance, everyone
2034[11:09 PM] Ark: Agreed, Somy.
2035[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): his party in tsp is the alliance for the preservation of the coalition
2036[11:09 PM] Ark: Lazarene Liberation Alliance? :stuck_out_tongue:
2037[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
2038[11:09 PM] Ark: lol
2039[11:09 PM] Ike: Really?
2040[11:09 PM] Ike: I'm basing it off Star Wars lmao
2041[11:10 PM] Ark: Okay, Recruitment is going.
2042[11:10 PM] Ike: Alliance For The Preservation Of The Union
2043[11:10 PM] Ike: Who're you recruiting?
2044[11:10 PM] Lenlyvit: @Ike sign my name on the petition pls
2045[11:10 PM] Ike: Sure thing
2046[11:10 PM] Ike: What's your position? LCA Paladin?
2047[11:10 PM] Ark: Ike, can you handle getting people together for propaganda?
2048[11:11 PM] Ike: We have them all here, don't we?
2049[11:11 PM] Ark: And making sure they're actually doing stuff, of course.
2050[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 
2051
2052[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:(edited)
2053[11:11 PM] Ark: We need to be organized, Ike.
2054[11:11 PM] Ark: Which means we need someone who's making sure the prop writers are doing what they're supposed to be.
2055[11:11 PM] Ark: I'm asking if you're down?
2056[11:11 PM] Ike: Course I'm down
2057[11:11 PM] Ark: Good.
2058[11:12 PM] Ike: Okay, maybe change the name so we aren't afficially APU
2059[11:13 PM] Atlantica: As a member of the opposing political party in TSP, I for one am reluctant to call it the APU but if that's what everyone agrees on I'll go with it :stuck_out_tongue:
2060Also, going back to your statement on the coup Ark, I think that we should take a moment to discuss the logistics of resistance to the coup in the first place. As we speak, there's a 71-endo difference between Harmoneia (180) and Funkadelia (251). I think that we could pull it off, but logistics do still need to be worked out simply because of how dangerous and risky this plan could be.
2061[11:13 PM] Ike: 
2062
2063[11:13 PM] Ark: I will work on turning the LWU members of Lazarus into a collective GP salt mine. Svez and Ike are well aware that if anyone can be a barbed Thorn in someone's side, it's me.
2064[11:14 PM] Ike: Heheh
2065[11:14 PM] Ark: And I will work on those logistics, Atlántica. This isn't my first go-around with conducting military ops.
2066[11:14 PM] Ike: Atlantica is good for that shit too, but more in secret
2067[11:14 PM] Ark: Good.
2068[11:14 PM] Ike: How about the Coalition to Preserve the Union?
2069[11:14 PM] Ike: CPU
2070[11:14 PM] Ark: lol
2071[11:15 PM] Ark: "We are... The Computer Processing Unit!"
2072[11:15 PM] Ike: >_>
2073[11:15 PM] Ark: "Oh wait shit wrong one"
2074[11:15 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
2075[11:15 PM] Kanglia: You can make it 181.
2076[11:15 PM] Ike: 
2077
2078[11:15 PM] Ark: When coup-time comes, we obviously all have to unendo Funk.
2079[11:15 PM] Ark: lol Somy
2080[11:15 PM] Ike: Stop endorsing Funk already
2081[11:15 PM] Atlantica: In Ankh Mauta Defenderdom and the NPO collectively mustered about 60 endorsements on short notice. We could probably count on the NPA and ERN to support the resistance as well. Ark and Moro, I hope that you guys could be trusted to get Wintercrest onto our side if necessary.
2082[11:16 PM] Ike: We're not legally obligated to endorse him
2083[11:16 PM] Ike: @Atlantica Counting on is one thing, but we need to be sure. You think you can talk to any sources in TNP or Euro?
2084[11:16 PM] Ark: Yes, Wintercrest is an NPO buddy, which means Zenny and Piper are friends of mine.
2085[11:16 PM] Ike: Speaking of Zenny and Piper
2086[11:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Not endoing funk right now seems like a bad idea
2087[11:16 PM] Ike: Any Red Fleet/Internationale support on our horizon? What are the odds as far as that goes?
2088[11:17 PM] Ark: I can talk to misley.
2089[11:17 PM] Ike: You better do it. I wouldn't have the temper
2090[11:17 PM] Ark: I'll promise a Communist government name or two :stuck_out_tongue:
2091[11:17 PM] Ike: Although maybe Atlantica would be good given he's a legit commie, there's common ground there
2092[11:17 PM] Atlantica: There's no one I know in TNP or Euro, so I don't know if I can be of any assistance there.
2093[11:17 PM] Ark: "We'll call the deputies Commissars, I promise"
2094[11:17 PM] Ike: zS
2095[11:18 PM] Ark: I can talk to Euro, we are going to have to look for TNP
2096[11:18 PM] Ike: xD\
2097[11:18 PM] Ike: Shit I just can't type today
2098[11:18 PM] Ark: they obviously don't like me on principle XD
2099[11:18 PM] Kanglia: I'm gonna gather all the members of my main's region as possible. I'm sure we can get several who aren't military related
2100[11:18 PM] Ark: Thanks.
2101[11:18 PM] Ike: What region is that?
2102[11:18 PM] Kanglia: The Union of Democratic States.
2103[11:19 PM] Ark: Thanks to my purposefully messy job as FA Archbishop, Funk will have few allies this go-around, and not even the Native Lazarenes are on his side.
2104[11:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not yet ofc, just in case of action
2105[11:19 PM] Ark: Yeah.
2106[11:19 PM] Ike: I love the irony of the FA Archbishop actively working against the Delegate to save the region
2107[11:19 PM] Omega: I like how APU sounds...
2108[11:20 PM] Ike: @Lenlyvit Are you an LCA soldier or the actual commander?
2109[11:20 PM] Atlantica: I'm still a member of the Red Fleet, but I'm not an officer so I really don't know the inner workings of TRF. However, I would guess that they would remain neutral simply because they don't meddle in the affairs of regions that aren't socialist/leftist or aren't fascist/enemies of TRF/engaging in anti-communist action/regions TRF perceives as fascist that others may not necessarily view as fascist (e.g., THE TRUMP WARRIORS)
2110[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: Som is commander(edited)
2111[11:20 PM] Ark: It'll be nice to come full circle. I was there when UDS' military was formed, now its helping with a GCR overthrow :stuck_out_tongue:
2112[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: Also, ill speak to Kortexia
2113[11:20 PM] Kanglia: You'd be impressed with UDS military Ark, :stuck_out_tongue:
2114[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: From TITO
2115[11:20 PM] Ike: Think we could exchange any kind of pledge to support their anti-fascist efforts in exchange for support?
2116[11:20 PM] Ark: That's good to hear, Kanglia.
2117[11:20 PM] Ike: They'd be super useful as the largest red raiders in the game
2118[11:21 PM] Ark: Ike, good idea.
2119[11:21 PM] Omega: Do you want to get TSP involved?
2120[11:21 PM] Ike: Yes, we do
2121[11:21 PM] Ark: When the time comes, we need TSP endos.
2122[11:21 PM] Ike: Indeed
2123[11:21 PM] Ike: And Roavin is with us in spirit
2124[11:21 PM] Lenlyvit: Ill get TITO
2125[11:21 PM] Ark: We just have to hope Yuno won't screw us over.
2126[11:21 PM] Atlantica: They assisted in the liberation of Lazarus from the NLO in 2015, but that's probably only because Lazarus was under the PRL at the time
2127[11:21 PM] Ark: Good.
2128[11:21 PM] Kanglia: She won't
2129[11:21 PM] Lenlyvit: Yuno won't
2130[11:21 PM] Ike: I don't think she would
2131[11:21 PM] Kanglia: I have confidence in Yuno
2132[11:21 PM] Ike: I have dirt on Yuno
2133[11:22 PM] Ark: @Atlantica make a pledge to fight fascism with TRF, it may convince them.
2134[11:22 PM] Ark: And tbh we'd probably end up fighting fash anyways, but they don't know that.
2135[11:22 PM] Ark: @Ike good to know.
2136[11:22 PM] Ike: Jesus I expected you to chew me out
2137[11:22 PM] Ike: I'd never blackmail her are you mad
2138[11:23 PM] Ark: I was hoping you'd say that :stuck_out_tongue:
2139[11:23 PM] Ike: heh
2140[11:23 PM] Ark: I trust Yuno as long as we can convince her she'll be on the right side of things.
2141[11:23 PM] Ike: Amerion was a Delegate once, wasn't he?
2142[11:23 PM] Omega: 3/4ths of the TSP cabinet are in my party. I've got them covered. Roavin, who isn't, is on our side.
2143[11:24 PM] Ark: I believe so, but Amerion is also burnt at the moment.
2144[11:24 PM] Ark: Pressure won't go over well with Yuno. You just need a convincing argument and maybe some anime.
2145[11:25 PM] Ike: Lots of anime.
2146[11:25 PM] Omega: I know
2147[11:25 PM] Ike: Nearly married her once.
2148[11:25 PM] Ark: I trust you to get this done, Omega. Don't forget about propaganda articles.
2149[11:25 PM] Omega: I know. Are they good to go?
2150[11:26 PM] Omega: And can @Somyrion (Aumelodia) send me the graphics?
2151[11:26 PM] Ark: Post them anywhere and everywhere you see fit, one at a time though
2152[11:26 PM] Amerion: People, Aume needs a show of public support in the Citizens chat
2153[11:26 PM] Omega: We only have the one.
2154[11:26 PM] Ark: And do not allow any more threadjacking
2155[11:26 PM] Atlantica: Yuno is a Rahl, so I'm not optimistic about that there. However, I do think that the Generals and officers would want to support us, as would the rest of the Cabinet.
2156[11:26 PM] Ike: Yuno is a Rahl?
2157[11:26 PM] Ark: If someone tried to change the topic to fit their own agenda, give them the third degree
2158[11:26 PM] Ike: Since when?
2159[11:26 PM] Ark: Since a while ago
2160[11:27 PM] Ark: But I think she'll still help tbh
2161[11:27 PM] Ike: Jesus that's fucked
2162[11:28 PM] Omega: Shit.
2163[11:28 PM] Omega: Well the rest of the Cabinet and most of the General Corps will be with us
2164[11:29 PM] Atlantica: I don't think she's involved in anything of political importance that the Rahls do, but that affiliation is still there.
2165[11:29 PM] Omega: I agree
2166[11:31 PM] Ike: Do you think we should talk to Badger himself to see where TWP officially stands and confirm it isn't any kind of Rahl conspiracy?
2167[11:31 PM] Lenlyvit: Ummmm
2168[11:31 PM] Lenlyvit: Is that wise?
2169[11:31 PM] Kanglia: It might be in our best interest, but even if it is, do you really believe Badger is going to say the truth
2170[11:31 PM] Kanglia: Because I don't
2171[11:32 PM] Ark: I wouldn't ask about Rahl
2172[11:32 PM] Ark: I'd just ask what stance West Pacifica is taking on this debacle.
2173[11:32 PM] Ark: And go from there.
2174[11:32 PM] Ike: Fair enough
2175[11:33 PM] Ike: You wanna do it, Ark?
2176[11:33 PM] Ike: An NPO rep meeting the leader of TWP smacks of Molotov-Ribbentrop and I like the sound of it :stuck_out_tongue:
2177[11:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You do know badger is def in on the LWU plot, he's a voter for them
2178[11:33 PM] Ike: Did he vote their way?
2179[11:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): All the times.
2180[11:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Like, I put him in "inner/medium circle"
2181[11:34 PM] Ike: Well, shit. Forget about that.
2182[11:36 PM] Ark: Well
2183[11:36 PM] Ark: I'm trying to keep TWP off our back. "Our back" being both everyone here and the NPO proper, so I kinda feel like someone with less baggage should approach Badger.
2184[11:36 PM] Ike: I think we should hold off on approaching him
2185[11:37 PM] Ike: Now can someone tell me if Amerion was ever our Delegate? I feel like he was
2186[11:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yes he was
2187[11:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Twice maybe?
2188[11:38 PM] Ike: Was Harm ever our CB?
2189[11:38 PM] Atlantica: The history page for Lazarus on NS reveals that he was the Delegate after BT and as one of the interim Delegates after Kowassati left and Funkadelia was elected
2190[11:39 PM] Ike: Ah there's a history page
2191[11:39 PM] Atlantica: She was not.
2192[11:39 PM] Ike: Where can I find the history page?
2193[11:40 PM] Kanglia: Should be on the region & click the history tab, the one I know of at least
2194[11:40 PM] Ike: Can you link em?
2195[11:40 PM] Kanglia: https://www.nationstates.net/page=region_history/region=lazarus
2196[11:40 PM] Ike: Not what I meant :stuck_out_tongue:
2197[11:40 PM] Kanglia: Only one I know of mate :stuck_out_tongue:
2198[11:43 PM] Ike: @Ark Might not wanna go all out with the "we're winning and you're not"
2199[11:43 PM] Ike: Might give people the wrong message about us
2200[11:43 PM] Ark: Just trying to make him feel powerless
2201[11:43 PM] Ark: Also, get someone to run a story on the Delegate who kicks out the guy who disagrees with him :stuck_out_tongue:
2202[11:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): What should we make of the masking removal?
2203[11:50 PM] Ike: Of whom?
2204[11:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ark
2205[11:54 PM] Ike: Hey, if he's drunk, give some Trump comparisons. Pretty sure he's a big progressive, he won't like being compared to the political antichrist
2206July 19, 2017
2207[12:03 AM] Ark: Mhm.
2208[12:03 AM] Ark: Don't forget to make a note of how hilariously un-Democratic that is
2209[12:04 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Definitely, that needs a news piece and a long NSGP post all to it's own
2210[12:04 AM] Ike: That'd make some great satire.
2211[12:04 AM] Ike: Fuck, I'm gonna write that.
2212[12:04 AM] Ike: Brb.
2213[12:04 AM] Ark: lol
2214[12:07 AM] Doperland: You know guys, I think I could dedicate myself to being more active, assuming I'm needed to replace Funk.
2215[12:08 AM] Ark: You may be. I hope tonight has shed more light on why he needs to be out of the office.
2216[12:08 AM] Doperland: It has.
2217[12:10 AM] Doperland: It's sorta like he's too old for this.
2218[12:11 AM] Doperland: I think we just need someone new in office.
2219[12:11 AM] Ark: You either die on your feet or live to become a villain. Nice narrative tbh :stuck_out_tongue:
2220[12:11 AM] Doperland: Mhmm.
2221[12:13 AM] Omega: Did Funk really remove Ark?
2222[12:13 AM] Ark: As archbishop, yes.
2223[12:13 AM] Ark: Left my councilor status alone.
2224[12:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Wait not just in discord?
2225[12:13 AM] Ike: MHM
2226[12:14 AM] Ark: On the forums too? Loooool
2227[12:14 AM] Ike: he made a post dismissing you
2228[12:14 AM] Omega: Hasn;t been made public yet.
2229[12:14 AM] Omega: Where?
2230[12:14 AM] Ike: check the forum
2231[12:15 AM] Ark: Can you link it
2232[12:15 AM] Ike: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10255099/1/#new
2233[12:17 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay we need a piece up and out by morning
2234[12:18 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Before they have a chance to get the first foot and justify it
2235[12:18 AM] Ark: I replied, for the record.
2236[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Would it be a bad idea for me to lock the invalid Amerion case thread?
2237[12:20 AM] Ike: No, it would be a good idea.
2238[12:21 AM] Ike: wait
2239[12:21 AM] Ark: Yes.
2240[12:21 AM] Ark: Or maybe
2241[12:21 AM] Ike: You're only convenor, do you have the authority to do that legally?
2242[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm not Convenor.
2243[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm CB
2244[12:21 AM] Ike: oh god
2245[12:21 AM] Ike: what am i saying
2246[12:21 AM] Ike: yes you are
2247[12:21 AM] Ike: Do you have the authority as CB?
2248[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I have mini mod powes
2249[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Erm
2250[12:21 AM] Ark: Ah.
2251[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Not specifically
2252[12:21 AM] Ike: But like legally he can't throw a bitchfit about that
2253[12:21 AM] Ike: If he can, maybe play it safe for now
2254[12:22 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
2255[12:22 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I will if we get substantially more evidence that it's illegal
2256[12:23 AM] Omega: I can lock it as I still have the Holy Prelate masking
2257[12:23 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You shouldn't
2258[12:23 AM] Ike: Yes, but you're not legally entitled to do so
2259[12:23 AM] Ike: We need validity here
2260[12:24 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It's unclear whether I am
2261[12:24 AM] Omega: I know. No one legally can stop him without the court finding it has 3 legally ruling members.(edited)
2262[12:24 AM] Ark: If there's no court, there's no one around to legally hold you accountable for locking the thread, Somy :stuck_out_tongue:
2263[12:25 AM] Omega: He's not wrong...
2264[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lol, except a lot of bad press :stuck_out_tongue:
2265[12:25 AM] Omega: Eh.
2266[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And some charges if the courts get working again
2267[12:25 AM] Ark: Meh
2268[12:25 AM] Ike: Yeah, it could be a propaganda piece for Funk if we don't play this right
2269[12:25 AM] Omega: Who wants to post in GP about Ark being fired?
2270[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike is I think
2271[12:25 AM] Omega: Okay good
2272[12:26 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike are you furiously writing >.>
2273[12:26 AM] Omega: I'll back up what he says with my always eloquent writing style.
2274[12:26 AM] Ike: I am... not
2275[12:26 AM] Ike: Yet
2276[12:26 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We need fire
2277[12:26 AM] Ike: Not quite
2278[12:26 AM] Ike: I'm thinking of clever ways to spin it as a Trump article
2279[12:26 AM] Ike: Y'know, Trump-Comey
2280[12:26 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay, at least it's on the mind :stuck_out_tongue:
2281[12:27 AM] Omega: Good deal
2282[12:27 AM] Doperland: I just want to ask, why aren't we just filing charges against Funk?
2283[12:28 AM] Ike: Because the court is broken
2284[12:28 AM] Doperland: If we have the proof, wouldn't it further our cause?
2285[12:28 AM] Ike: Problem being, of the three people on the court, two are on Funk's side, despite what the law says
2286[12:28 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): At least file them
2287[12:28 AM] Ike: Maybe we should.
2288[12:28 AM] Ark: Not yet.
2289[12:28 AM] Ike: Not yet?
2290[12:28 AM] Ark: We need more.
2291[12:28 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It doesn't matter if they'll actually go through
2292[12:28 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
2293[12:28 AM] Ark: Even if only a little bit.
2294[12:29 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Make this article TLG edition 1 please :stuck_out_tongue:
2295[12:29 AM] Ike: Can I get the Guardian logo again?
2296[12:29 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Erm, I'm on mobile
2297[12:29 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Search for it in the chat
2298[12:30 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): From:somy has:image
2299Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/19/2017
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2301[12:30 AM] Ike: wonderful
2302[12:33 AM] Doperland: I just want to say, I trust most of you very little, so I would like to request that if we do make a new government, we don't fill it with just people from here.
2303[12:33 AM] Ike: Understandable, but uh
2304[12:33 AM] Ike: At this point, most active Lazarenes are in here.
2305[12:33 AM] Ike: It'd be hard not to.
2306[12:33 AM] Doperland: True. But, I don't want it to end up repeating what's currently happening.
2307[12:33 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): A new government should be filled with those who are not just active on the forums.
2308[12:33 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed.
2309[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Fully.
2310[12:34 AM] Ike: Never. This is about preserving our sovereignty, not cementing defender rule.
2311[12:34 AM] Omega: Right
2312[12:34 AM] Doperland: yeah like I told Ike I'll totally kick you all out of power if you try to influence it in favor of different foreign groups
2313[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): #Tubbius4Del2k17
2314[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
2315[12:35 AM] Doperland: actually tubbius wouldn't be bad he's pretty great :p
2316[12:35 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Tubbius is p cool
2317[12:35 AM] Ike: lel
2318[12:35 AM] Ike: @Ark you officially part of any family? We're gonna make this as Comey-esque as possible
2319[12:35 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He gives me a laugh when the forums make me sad :frowning:
2320[12:35 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ark is a Whitehall :stuck_out_tongue:
2321[12:36 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He led that family for a while
2322[12:36 AM] Ike: Ah yes, the family for which that I'm singlehandedly responsible :heart:
2323[12:40 AM] Omega: When do we bring up Ark in the Discord?
2324[12:47 AM] Ike: 
2325
2326[12:48 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lol
2327[12:48 AM] Omega: Yes
2328[12:48 AM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Any chance you can make a Guardian logo that looks like the New York Times header?
2329[12:48 AM] Ike: I want to go all out
2330[12:49 AM] Omega: This is beautiful.
2331[12:49 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Hm
2332[12:49 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Not right noe
2333[12:49 AM] Omega: Alright I need sleep, be back in 5 hours.
2334[12:49 AM] Ike: seeya
2335[12:50 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just use old English text or whatever if you have a PC :stuck_out_tongue:
2336[12:50 AM] Ike: In other news, I've gotten everyone's assent for the petition so far, aside from Harm, Amerion, Andrew and Seraph
2337[12:50 AM] Ike: Everyone else is on board
2338[12:53 AM] Morozovia: @Atlantica as for the request for the People's Republic of  Wintercrest support, I can say at least maybe Zenny and Piper would help. Though the regional military alone isn't very active due to the congress hold ups. The Internationale won't support either without us coming out as like a new era PRL or something
2339[12:54 AM] Ike: You talked to TI folks or is that just an assumption?
2340[12:54 AM] Ark: I like it, lolc
2341[12:54 AM] Morozovia: It's an assumption based on any regional request
2342[12:54 AM] Ike: Fair enough
2343[12:55 AM] Ark: The post about me, that is.
2344[12:55 AM] Ark: That's was funny
2345[12:55 AM] Ike: Also, Ark, do you have a red NPO flag I can use?
2346[12:55 AM] Ike: I have an idea.
2347[12:55 AM] Ark: Uhhh
2348[12:55 AM] Ark: Is it something that potentially piss off pergamon?
2349[12:55 AM] Ark: >.>
2350[12:55 AM] Ike: Nope, Funk.
2351[12:55 AM] Ike: It might make Perg squeal with glee.
2352[12:55 AM] Ark: Oh, hold on then
2353[12:55 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lol
2354[12:56 AM] Ark: 
2355
2356[12:56 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Perg and squealing are not two things I usually associate.
2357[12:56 AM] Ark: There.
2358[12:56 AM] Ike: Beautiful, thanks.
2359[12:57 AM] Ark: Me either, but hey, if anything can get that German to express positive emotion, I'm down.
2360[1:13 AM] Ike: @Ark
2361[1:13 AM] Ike: I present your new profile picture
2362[1:13 AM] Ike: 
2363
2364[1:14 AM] Ark: Looool
2365[1:14 AM] Ark: Not sure it'll fit in Discord but I'll try it
2366[1:15 AM] Ark: Not bad
2367[1:15 AM] Ike: perfect xD
2368[1:21 AM] Ark: One of my subordinates just asked me if everything is okay :joy:
2369[1:21 AM] Ike: xD
2370[1:22 AM] Morozovia: :joy:
2371[1:22 AM] Amerion: @Ark who?
2372[1:22 AM] Morozovia: Perfect with Funk dismissal
2373[1:22 AM] Morozovia: Ark was only doing his job
2374[1:23 AM] Ark: Not important. He's a Pacifican that I doubt any of you would know :stuck_out_tongue:
2375[1:23 AM] Morozovia: I'm talking about the relations of the  FBI director
2376[1:23 AM] Ark: I was talking to Amerion
2377[1:23 AM] Morozovia: Oh derpp me :yum:
2378[1:25 AM] Amerion: Ah all g
2379[1:26 AM] Lenlyvit: :joy: that's great Ike
2380[1:30 AM] Ark: Agreed.
2381[1:39 AM] Ike: Harmoneia is still reluctant to sign, but aside from her I've got everyone except Andrew and Seraph
2382[2:06 AM] harmoneia: I will sign it only after revising it
2383[2:06 AM] harmoneia: 5. is terrible
2384[2:07 AM] Ike: Okay, why is it terrible?
2385[2:08 AM] harmoneia: because Prelates aren't elected
2386[2:08 AM] Ike: The confirmation of Prelates meets the legal standard of an election
2387[2:08 AM] Ike: which makes it subject to the laws regarding elections
2388[2:09 AM] Ike: That's the basis of the argument
2389[2:09 AM] Ark: Didn't Ike cover the Elected/confirmed definitions earlier in the document?
2390[2:09 AM] harmoneia: you can argue for that
2391[2:09 AM] harmoneia: but it's weak
2392[2:09 AM] Ark: I believe it's illegal either way
2393[2:09 AM] harmoneia: hold on
2394[2:09 AM] Ike: Which is why we've also included a section that details how even if it doesn't count as an election, it's still illegal
2395[2:09 AM] harmoneia: I'll try to revise it
2396[2:09 AM] Ike: Go ahaed.
2397[2:12 AM] Amerion: ^^
2398[2:19 AM] Ike: "I did not import, it's not true, it's bullshit, I did not hit her, I did naaht. Oh hi Mark."
2399[2:19 AM] Ike: - Funk
2400[2:19 AM] Ike: 
2401
2402[2:19 AM] Ark: lol
2403[2:29 AM] Ike: Finished.
2404[2:29 AM] Ike: 
2405
2406[2:29 AM] Ike: @Ark @Somyrion (Aumelodia) thoughts?
2407[2:30 AM] Ark: Loooks pretty funny and shitposty
2408[2:31 AM] Ike: Where should we post it? In the Importation thread? Or give the Guardian a thread of its own?
2409[2:31 AM] Ark: If we plan to make it a real long-term thing, the latter
2410[2:31 AM] Ike: Fair enough
2411[2:35 AM] Ike: Made a TLG account too
2412[2:36 AM] Ark: Sweet.
2413[2:36 AM] Ark: Inb4 TLG becomes an actual Lazarene Guardian
2414[2:37 AM] Ike: lel
2415[2:37 AM] Ike: It would be ironic if we ended up supplanting the Gazette
2416[2:37 AM] Ike: When Somy tried to make a new Gazette logo we mocked it because it was just a carbon copy of the Guardian
2417[2:38 AM] Atlantica: That would be quite funny
2418[2:38 AM] Ike: @harmoneia how're the revisions coming along?
2419[2:39 AM] Ark: Although this scenario has disturbing implications for the US government if its really that easy to compare the two :frowning:(edited)
2420[2:39 AM] Ike: I think it's pretty funny, because it's great fodder for satire
2421[2:40 AM] Ark: Yes, yes it is.
2422[2:40 AM] Ark: You're our Shitpost extraordinaire, Ike.
2423[2:41 AM] Ike: Always have been
2424[2:41 AM] Ike: Roavin saw it early
2425[2:41 AM] Ike: Anyone want to publicly affiliate with the paper, or should we keep our staff anonymous for now?
2426[2:42 AM] Ark: We can keep it casually anonymous for now. IE not overtly trying to hide it nor associate ourselves with it.
2427[2:42 AM] Ike: Nice
2428[2:44 AM] Ike: Posted.
2429[2:44 AM] Ike: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=418902&p=32168103#p32168103
2430[2:44 AM] Ark: Sweet.
2431[2:46 AM] Ark: One mistake I think
2432[2:46 AM] Ike: Hm?
2433[2:46 AM] Ark: Deputy Convenor the13th
2434[2:46 AM] Ark: He's not Convenor
2435[2:46 AM] Ark: Svez is
2436[2:46 AM] Ark: Unless I missed something, lol
2437[2:47 AM] Ike: Amended
2438[2:47 AM] Ark: :thumbsup:
2439[2:47 AM] Ike: Cut out the13th for Svez
2440[2:47 AM] Ark: Cool cool
2441[2:48 AM] Ike: I hope Roavin approves :stuck_out_tongue:
2442[2:48 AM] Ark: I can't see why he wouldn't.
2443[2:48 AM] Ark: It's a Tim-level shitpost.
2444[2:48 AM] Ike: gotta make papa shitpost proud
2445[2:48 AM] Ark: Yep
2446[2:48 AM] Ike: Also the title is some great alliteration
2447[2:49 AM] Ark: Yes, yes it is.
2448[2:49 AM] Ike: 
2449
2450[2:49 AM] Ike: SUCCESS
2451[2:49 AM] Ark: Kek
2452[2:50 AM] Ark: I just PMd it to him too
2453[2:50 AM] harmoneia: okay I finished reading the entire document and it seems everything was pretty much covered. But I'm still hesitant about triggering an entire circus out of arguments that have no concrete bases. >_>
2454[2:50 AM] Ike: The concrete basis is in the law
2455[2:51 AM] Ike: I understand your hesitance, but legally we're in the right and we stand a lot to gain with this
2456[2:51 AM] Ike: By concisely pointing out the specific violations of the law committed, our refusal to recognize KK's judicial authority is validated
2457[2:51 AM] Ark: And it's sketching we've already brought up. We can't exactly back down on our driving point, even if it could use some bolstering (which I am working on as well)
2458[2:51 AM] Ike: trust me harm, we're all working our asses off to get as solid a platform as we can for our case
2459[2:52 AM] Ark: I'm using every contact I have to investigate the crimes. Might only be admissible in the court of public opinion, but that may be all we need.(edited)
2460[2:54 AM] Ike: Of course Constie was the first to respond.
2461[2:54 AM] Ike: @harmoneia In spite of your understandable concern, can we count on your signature at this point?
2462[3:05 AM] Ike: Alright, I'm done sizzling tonight.
2463[3:05 AM] Ike: Productive day, folks
2464[3:05 AM] Ike: Look forward to what the future brings
2465[3:15 AM] Ike: But before I go, I got Seraph to sign, which means only Andrew and harm are left
2466[3:49 AM] harmoneia: @Ike add something about Ark's dismissal, and how this action is part of a string of actions that is reminiscent of Stujenske who we once backed him against.
2467[3:49 AM] harmoneia: I am signing it.
2468[3:49 AM] Amerion: Yay
2469[3:51 AM] Ike: I like the idea. I'll add it tomorrow, thank you very much!
2470[3:51 AM] Ike: Only Andrew is left to sign now
2471[3:52 AM] Amerion: @Andrew
2472[3:52 AM] Ike: Just got his consent
2473[3:53 AM] Ike: 19 signatures, ready to go. We'll post it tomorrow. Immensely proud of y'all
2474[3:53 AM] Andrew: yes
2475[3:54 AM] Ike: Very happy with this. Night all
2476[6:18 AM] Morozovia: Alrighty... I've talked to Zenny-Piper, and as said the WRA is in short number but maybe after my talk with TI about The Red Fleet, ZP may help too.
2477[6:20 AM] Morozovia: I'm only asking assistance via if a coup occurs. So anything short and I'm sure they wouldn't risk or bother trying to get involved on a internal issue
2478[8:47 AM] Ike: Nice nice
2479[8:51 AM] Omega: I love stitposts. If only I could do them, but I seem content with my editorial style.
2480[10:02 AM] Ark: Your editorial style is just as useful as a shitpost, don't worry.
2481[10:05 AM] Ike: ^^
2482[10:05 AM] Ike: All it takes is wit
2483[10:06 AM] Ark: Anything that provokes a strong reaction is good. But we want strong reactions from the right people.
2484[10:27 AM] Omega: So when Funk does name a new AoFA will we vote against?
2485[10:28 AM] Ike: Depends who it is
2486[10:28 AM] Ike: But the answer is probably
2487[10:29 AM] Omega: Okay sounds good
2488[10:34 AM] Omega: 
2489
2490[10:40 AM] Omega: @Ike can we make the TLG articles dispatches posted in the RMB?
2491[10:41 AM] Curious Observations: Nicely done.
2492[10:41 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed, Omega.
2493[10:41 AM] Ike: Thanks based Jon Stewart
2494[10:41 AM] Curious Observations: I would suggest that the candidate for Sovereign is somebody well known amongst long-time Lazarenes.
2495[10:41 AM] Ike: And yes, good idea
2496[10:42 AM] Ike: @Curious Observations I believe we've found that in Somyrion
2497[10:42 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm trying to get more involved gameside but that doesn't make me anymore well-known around oldies :stuck_out_tongue:
2498[10:43 AM] Ike: If we wanted pure name recognition it would be me, but you're not at all controversial
2499[10:43 AM] Ike: That's a huge plus and it's why we need you
2500[10:44 AM] Ike: If someone like me or Ark ran, it would be easy to point at it as some kind of nepotism or selfish ploy
2501[10:44 AM] Omega: I think that Jon Stewart quote should be our new motto.
2502[10:44 AM] Ike: Among others
2503[10:44 AM] Ike: I quite like "Veritas Vincit"
2504[10:44 AM] Ike: The truth prevails.
2505[10:45 AM] Curious Observations: There is value in considering Harmoneia as well in terms of name recognition. I don't know whether or not that would be a better option, but I do feel I must vocalize that concern.
2506[10:46 AM] Ike: A fine choice, and a fantastic delegate on multiple occasions, however
2507[10:46 AM] Ike: I don't feel she's active enough to keep the position, and if I'm not wrong, she doesn't really have any desire to change that
2508[10:47 AM] Ike: Of course I'd welcome her if she wanted to, but it seems like she's content with the state of things
2509[10:47 AM] Omega: We need to send that out as a dispatch ASAP though
2510[10:47 AM] Omega: Let's focus on the now
2511[10:47 AM] Ike: Give it a few hours, I'm caught up in bureaucracy right now
2512[10:47 AM] Ike: Passport office. Like the DMV but worse
2513[10:47 AM] Ike: I'll get the dispatch out when I'm on a PC
2514[10:48 AM] Omega: Okay sounds good
2515[11:03 AM] Amerion: @Ike do you want stamps? I don't think you have RO authority to send out tgs
2516[11:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike " Other prominent critics in government include Prelate Omega, Convenor Svezjacael, and Defender of the Realm (Vice Delegate) Doperland."
2517[11:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): wasn't svez doing the neutral thing?
2518[11:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): or did that change
2519[11:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Amerion I have communications power, I'm planning to send out some TGs(edited)
2520[11:07 AM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) um, like what kind?
2521[11:08 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I was thinking a regional TG just telling people to think about getting citizenship and explaining the situation (not too much bias)
2522[11:09 AM] Amerion: Best let one of us handle that. Funk might use that as an excuse to impeach your character
2523[11:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
2524[11:10 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can just send out one about getting citizenship (I post that on the RMB all the time), which Funk can't claim anything about
2525[11:10 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): one of you can do a follow-up with the situation
2526[11:10 AM] Amerion: True
2527[11:11 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): TLG should definitely send out a mass TG to the region though :p
2528[11:12 AM] Amerion: I'll send it 5000 tmw when I get the chance
2529[11:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion has the vast reserves of money
2530[11:14 AM] Ike: Now that you mentioned it, I don't remember if Svez signed or not
2531[11:14 AM] Amerion: @Ike u control TLG yrh?
2532[11:14 AM] Ike: Ye
2533[11:20 AM] Amerion: @Amerion TLG has the stamps now
2534[11:20 AM] Amerion: Make it a nice tg :grinning:
2535[11:20 AM] Ike: Well then!
2536[11:33 AM] Amerion: Just got this interesting tg from Pier..
2537[11:33 AM] Amerion: 
2538
2539[11:34 AM] Omega: Yay?
2540[11:34 AM] Ark: If Ivan himself is actually willing to TG you, I suggest you hear him out. :stuck_out_tongue:
2541[11:34 AM] Ark: No one knows the ins and outs of NS better than him, tbh.(edited)
2542[11:34 AM] Amerion: @Ark I will :slight_smile:
2543[11:34 AM] Amerion: I'm off to bed. Night y'all:grinning:
2544[11:35 AM] Omega: Night
2545[11:36 AM] Ark: Night.
2546[12:12 PM] Lenlyvit: @Ike to answer your question fully from yesterday, I'm the second in command of the LCA under Som
2547[12:12 PM] Ike: I'll list you as Paladin?
2548[12:13 PM] Lenlyvit: Knight Commandant is technically my rank(edited)
2549[12:14 PM] Lenlyvit: While Som is the Grand Commandant
2550[12:19 PM] Ike: @Ark Can you make sure Svez is good with being listed on the petition?
2551[12:19 PM] Ike: I included him automatically but I can't remember if he gave consent or not
2552[12:43 PM] Ike: New paragraph to the petition
2553[12:43 PM] Ike: @harmoneia
2554[12:43 PM] Ike: "Furthermore, we note the recent dismissal of United Arkadia as Archbishop of Foreign Affairs to be of great concern, and troubling in a time of crisis for the region. We denounce this action, as the latest in a string of underhanded moves on the part of the Sovereign, clearly aimed at consolidating his power, further undermining the principles that we strive to preserve for our region. The recent actions of the Sovereign ring dangerously close to those of Stujenske, against whom we backed the current Sovereign in our efforts to restore democracy and sovereignty to Lazarus. We conclude that in this time of strife, our sovereignty and way of life has once again come under threat, and we both re-affirm the points outlined in this declaration as well as our intent to uphold the Celestial Mandate, and protect the laws of the Celestial Union."
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2556[12:46 PM] Omega: The petition should be put in GP and in a dispatch as well as on the forum(edited)
2557[12:46 PM] Ike: It will
2558[12:46 PM] Ike: I just need Svez
2559[12:51 PM] Ike: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=856236
2560[12:51 PM] Ike: Dispatched.
2561[12:51 PM] Omega: I met the petition
2562[12:51 PM] Ike: I know I know
2563[12:51 PM] Ike: But we talked earlier about getting the article dispatched too
2564[12:54 PM] Omega: Yes we did and I already upvoted it
2565[12:54 PM] Ike: :heart:
2566[12:54 PM] Ike: @here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=856236 upvotes pls
2567[12:55 PM] Ark: @Svezjacael
2568[12:55 PM] Ike: He doesn't seem to be online
2569[12:56 PM] Ark: Just leaving a ping for when he is.
2570[12:58 PM] Ike: @Amerion What should I be doing with these stamps?
2571[2:17 PM] Ark: @here SitRep: how far along are we on our respective projects?
2572[2:17 PM] Ike: Petition signed by everyone except Svez, article published and dispatched, 5000 stamps in the arsenal
2573[2:20 PM] Ike: If we can't get him online and signed by tonight, I'll publish it in the evening without his signature, but I'd prefer that we get him on board
2574[2:30 PM] Ark: Ok.
2575[2:32 PM] Omega: I'm still talking with TSP, and reaping us in GP.
2576[2:33 PM] Ike: Reaping?
2577[2:33 PM] Omega: Reping
2578[2:33 PM] Ike: Repping
2579[3:10 PM] Omega: Well I tried
2580[3:10 PM] Ike: Quick note, we're going to have to own up to Amerion's actions here
2581[3:10 PM] Ike: While he's committed no crime, and we should make that clear too
2582[3:10 PM] Omega: I know.
2583[3:10 PM] Ike: It's important for our image and our basic principles that we acknowledge his attempt to grab outsiders to vote in Lazarus was a mistake
2584[3:21 PM] Ike: @Lenlyvit Do you know if Capercom is active at all?
2585[3:22 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He has a broken finger or something :stuck_out_tongue:(edited)
2586[3:40 PM] Lenlyvit: I have no clue right now, sorry Ike
2587[5:15 PM] Ike: Damn it Svez, get online
2588[7:54 PM] Ike: Fuck's sake, Svez got online and asked for the link, then disappeared again
2589[7:54 PM] Ike: That boi I swear
2590[8:05 PM] Lenlyvit: RIP
2591[8:34 PM] Ike: SUCCESS!
2592[8:34 PM] Ike: We have all the signatures
2593[8:34 PM] Ike: @Ark wake up bitch
2594[8:34 PM] Ike: We're gonna post it
2595[8:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Svezjacael - Today at 8:33 PM
2596Alright, I'm headed home now
2597[8:34 PM] Amerion: @Ike use the stamps for tgs
2598[8:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): HE RESPONDED
2599[8:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh... you got to it before me
2600[8:34 PM] Ike: :heart:
2601[8:35 PM] Ike: @Amerion What should I put in the TGs and to whom?
2602[8:35 PM] Amerion: Send a regional tg
2603[8:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll wait on the citizenship TG until a bit after you've done yours
2604[8:35 PM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) can help you write it. He's good at those stuff
2605[8:35 PM] Ike: coolio
2606[8:35 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Get writing so we have it prepared
2607[8:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what are we writing on?
2608[8:36 PM] Ike: The citizenship TG right
2609[8:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh
2610[8:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's p simple
2611[8:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just "make sure to get citizenship here"
2612[8:37 PM] Ike: How does "Proclamation to the Sovereign on behalf of the citizens dedicated to the preservation of the Union" sound?
2613[8:37 PM] Ike: Nice and fancy
2614[8:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
2615[8:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I like it
2616[8:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): need a header and stuff?
2617[8:38 PM] Ike: Nah, some flat out bold text will do
2618[8:38 PM] Ike: Cosmic Council work, or?
2619[8:39 PM] Ike: Unless you think the CB posting it in the Cathedral might make it more legit?
2620[8:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): private chambers
2621[8:39 PM] Ike: ye
2622[8:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): or.... sovereign's chambers
2623[8:39 PM] Ike: OoOo
2624[8:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
2625[8:39 PM] Ike: Let's do it lads
2626[8:41 PM] Ike: Somy, you think it might be a good idea for you to post it? As our future Delegate candidate and the Celestial Being, it might look more... y'know
2627[8:41 PM] Ike: legit
2628[8:41 PM] Amerion: ^
2629[8:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): mhm
2630[8:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
2631[8:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): send the text me way
2632[8:41 PM] Ike: "Proclamation to the Sovereign from the citizens dedicated to the preservation of the Union"
2633[8:41 PM] Amerion: Wait
2634[8:41 PM] Ike: hm?
2635[8:41 PM] Amerion: No. Let's not. Aume needs to be unimpeachable when he runs
2636[8:42 PM] Ike: Eh?
2637[8:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I must be pure :no_mouth:
2638[8:42 PM] Amerion: ^
2639[8:42 PM] Ike: Aight, I'll do the dirty work
2640[8:42 PM] Ike: Sovereign's Palace, here we go
2641[8:43 PM] Amerion: It's fine. I also don't want all their heat being launched your way. I can do it if ya want
2642[8:43 PM] Ike: No, it's good if it goes my way
2643[8:43 PM] Ike: I take most of the flak for this, it's good because it shields the rest of you
2644[8:43 PM] Ike: my reputationin their eyes can't sink any lower, I'm like untouchable at this point :stuck_out_tongue:
2645[8:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion needs to go sleep in a freezer and let himself cool off
2646[8:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): lol
2647[8:44 PM] Ike: sizzling
2648[8:44 PM] Amerion: Ya, I'm torched :frowning2: :joy:
2649[8:44 PM] Ike: Amerion, you were Delegate once, right?
2650[8:44 PM] Amerion: Ya
2651[8:44 PM] Ike: right
2652[8:44 PM] Ike: And so was Andrew
2653[8:44 PM] Ike: Right, all the details are good
2654[8:47 PM] Ike: Done.
2655[8:47 PM] Ike: @all
2656[8:47 PM] Ike: @here Take a look
2657[8:47 PM] Ike: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10255687/1/
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2659🇦5
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2661🇷4
2662🇺4
2663🇸3
2664[8:49 PM] Lenlyvit: Can I post that in the Ctizens square??
2665[8:50 PM] Lenlyvit: Lolol
2666[8:50 PM] Ike: Of course!
2667[8:50 PM] Ike: Preach!
2668[8:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): wait
2669[8:50 PM] Ike: Tag the citizenry while you're at it
2670[8:50 PM] Ike: Hm?
2671[8:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): one sec
2672[8:50 PM] Ike: What is it?
2673[8:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): is griffindor a citizen?
2674[8:51 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh yes
2675[8:51 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): nvm
2676[8:51 PM] Ike: wew
2677[8:51 PM] Ike: made me panic there
2678[8:51 PM] Ike: fairly sure he is
2679[8:51 PM] Ike: @Lenlyvit Get to it lad
2680[8:51 PM] Lenlyvit: Already did :p
2681[8:51 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike you should call me Aumelodia, not Som ;p
2682[8:52 PM] Ike: good good
2683[8:52 PM] Ike: Wellll
2684[8:52 PM] Ike: That should clear up any confusion
2685[8:52 PM] Ike: Done and done @Somyrion (Aumelodia)
2686[8:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): thankee kindly
2687[8:53 PM] thechurchofsatan: I was a guardian at one time as well as Grandee Secretary (vice delegate...twice)(edited)
2688[8:54 PM] Ike: Duly noted!
2689[8:57 PM] thechurchofsatan: Wait...Griff supports us?
2690[8:58 PM] Ark: Griff as in NK?
2691[8:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): griffindor13 from TSP :stuck_out_tongue:
2692[8:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): different person
2693[8:58 PM] Ark: Ah.
2694[8:58 PM] Ike: ^
2695[8:58 PM] thechurchofsatan: Ah, almost blew my mind there, heh.
2696[8:59 PM] Ike: I'm pleased to announce that Vapid has seen our side of things.
2697[8:59 PM] Ike: He's agreed to sign, after asking continuously for evidence of Funk's wrongdoing
2698[8:59 PM] Ike: I ask that you all trust him, because although he is a raider, we've got history. I know he's good.
2699[9:00 PM] Ark: If you trust him, I trust you.
2700[9:00 PM] thechurchofsatan: Not all that familiar with the greener players these days. :stuck_out_tongue:
2701[9:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): vapid is cool
2702[9:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I hope he'll understand
2703[9:02 PM] Ark: I wouldn't say vapid is a greener player.
2704[9:02 PM] Ike: Not at all
2705[9:02 PM] Ark: At least no greener than I am. :stuck_out_tongue:
2706[9:02 PM] Ike: He's new in the sense of having arrived in the last two years
2707[9:02 PM] Ike: Jesus christ, I feel old now
2708[9:03 PM] Ark: I don't judge based on actually Gameplay time tbh.
2709[9:03 PM] Ike: I've been on NS for over four years now, but it's still had to shake the feeling of being new
2710[9:03 PM] Amerion: Lol I felt old when Aume came to Laz
2711[9:03 PM] Ark: A newer player who's done his homework can be just as valuable as the average old fart.
2712[9:05 PM] thechurchofsatan: Well we have our token raider now, lol.
2713[9:05 PM] Ike: heh
2714[9:05 PM] Ike: Vapid is a former native of Laz, if my memory serves
2715[9:05 PM] Vapid: lies
2716[9:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): heyo @Vapid :smile:
2717[9:05 PM] Vapid: I never joined
2718[9:05 PM] Ike: you're fake news
2719[9:05 PM] Ike: My memory is right, yeah? You've been here before?
2720[9:05 PM] Ike: Not just Grand Central?
2721[9:05 PM] Vapid: nope
2722[9:05 PM] Vapid: I've been in TSP
2723[9:06 PM] Ike: ah well shit
2724[9:06 PM] thechurchofsatan: I think he's a high quality person...
2725[9:06 PM] Vapid: I am a raiderman
2726[9:06 PM] Ike: You're not a votebot, and that's what counts.
2727[9:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike has bad memory :/
2728[9:06 PM] Ike: >_>
2729[9:06 PM] Vapid: the token minority
2730[9:06 PM] Vapid: rock on
2731[9:06 PM] Vapid: my favorite CAH card
2732[9:06 PM] thechurchofsatan: If anyone here has a bad memory it's me.
2733[9:07 PM] Vapid: what?
2734[9:07 PM] Vapid: where am i
2735[9:07 PM] Ark: lol
2736[9:07 PM] Vapid: what's noah's ark doing here?
2737[9:07 PM] Amerion: @Vapid olla!
2738[9:07 PM] Vapid: hola
2739[9:08 PM] Vapid: this has been...a day
2740[9:08 PM] Ike: Indeed :stuck_out_tongue:
2741[9:08 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): every day is.... a day... in Lazarus
2742[9:08 PM] thechurchofsatan: Probably notifying us that it picked up a few snakes Lazarene government officials before the flood.
2743[9:09 PM] Ark: Lmao
2744[9:09 PM] thechurchofsatan: Paperwork is important even on a biblical boat.
2745[9:09 PM] Vapid: tom probably bargained that I'd be on Funk's side when he got me to join
2746[9:09 PM] Vapid: unfortunately, I rarely act for my own gain
2747[9:10 PM] Ike: :heart:
2748[9:10 PM] Ike: It's been too long since we've worked together
2749[9:10 PM] Ike: A year ago today, Vapid served under me as Grand Central's foreign affairs Minister
2750[9:10 PM] Ike: Those were the days :stuck_out_tongue:
2751[9:10 PM] Vapid: they were days
2752[9:10 PM] Vapid: not the days
2753[9:10 PM] Vapid: dear fucking god
2754[9:10 PM] Ike: Fair enough
2755[9:10 PM] Ike: It was chaos
2756[9:10 PM] Vapid: 94 block
2757[9:10 PM] Amerion: Oh, I remember GC. That was a diplomatic hoopla
2758[9:10 PM] Ike: Full of drama at every corner
2759[9:10 PM] Amerion: ^
2760[9:10 PM] Vapid: I was trying to repair policy while block was destroying it
2761[9:11 PM] Ike: Block destroyed our region
2762[9:11 PM] thechurchofsatan: Not sure you and I ever had a chance to work together during the PRL did we Ike?
2763[9:11 PM] Vapid: I spent 3 days PMing people in equinox trying to convince them to give us a chance
2764[9:11 PM] Ike: Ah, did we?
2765[9:11 PM] Ike: You may have worked with me when I was Governor of Information
2766[9:11 PM] Ike: Yes, Block was extremely toxic and his actions crossed the line into genuine criminal harassment
2767[9:11 PM] Ike: He more or less singlehandedly destroyed our region
2768[9:12 PM] Vapid: not necessarily
2769[9:12 PM] Vapid: Feuer Ritter played a minor role
2770[9:12 PM] Vapid: and so did Don
2771[9:12 PM] Ike: True
2772[9:12 PM] Ike: Don, jesus
2773[9:12 PM] Ike: Slimy.
2774[9:12 PM] Ike: As if the first debacle wasn't bad enough
2775[9:13 PM] Vapid: At any rate
2776[9:13 PM] Vapid: I have my first avatar on rn
2777[9:14 PM] Ike: Ringo!
2778[9:14 PM] Vapid: It was highway to hell before ringo :stuck_out_tongue:
2779[9:15 PM] Vapid: I got this one back on because grey and I were having a nostalgia episode in hydra
2780[9:15 PM] Vapid: because PT huo came back
2781[9:15 PM] Ike: yes indeed
2782[9:15 PM] Vapid: He shouldn't have left(edited)
2783[9:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): pt huo.... I vaguely remember him
2784[9:16 PM] Ark: Has anyone stopped to look at the group we have here?
2785[9:16 PM] Ark: I mean
2786[9:16 PM] Ark: Not in a bad way
2787[9:16 PM] Vapid: fucking massive
2788[9:16 PM] Ike: 21 people
2789[9:16 PM] Ike: 20 citizens of Lazarus
2790[9:16 PM] Ike: Plus gossip girl
2791[9:16 PM] Ark: Just look at how different we all are.
2792[9:16 PM] Ike: This is quite the assembly
2793[9:16 PM] Ark: And yet United under one cause.
2794[9:16 PM] Vapid: cheddar jack cheese?
2795[9:16 PM] Ark: Hell, you have NPOers protecting Lazarene Sovereignty.(edited)
2796[9:16 PM] Vapid: topkek
2797[9:17 PM] Ark: It's just crazy to think about sometimes.
2798[9:17 PM] Ike: Francoists, Raiders, Defenders, Commies
2799[9:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Vapid is... who in the Trump allegory?
2800[9:17 PM] Ike: We've got everyone short of the purist bloc, and we don't want them
2801[9:17 PM] Ike: Uh, Vapid is Sally Yates
2802[9:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): xD
2803[9:17 PM] Ike: Brought on during the administration I think, then turns against it in the name of democracy
2804[9:17 PM] Vapid: I like to think of myself as Justin Amash
2805[9:17 PM] Vapid: same party
2806[9:17 PM] Ike: HA
2807[9:18 PM] Vapid: hates everyone in government
2808[9:18 PM] Ark: I'm totally not James Comey
2809[9:18 PM] Ike: On that note, let's all give our best wishes to John "Take that you chink bastard" McCain
2810[9:18 PM] Ike: Who was diagnosed with brain cancer today
2811[9:18 PM] Amerion: Lol  @Ark
2812[9:18 PM] Vapid: That's unfortunate
2813[9:18 PM] Vapid: +f
2814[9:18 PM] Amerion: Was gutted to hear about that
2815[9:18 PM] Ark: Don't be.
2816[9:18 PM] Vapid: Also, think about this
2817[9:19 PM] Vapid: this man probably would have been our president had obama not been elected
2818[9:19 PM] Vapid: Like
2819[9:19 PM] Ike: Well
2820[9:19 PM] Vapid: the tumor might have metastasized had he been under more stress
2821[9:19 PM] Ike: Ahh
2822[9:19 PM] Ike: Thanks, Obama.
2823[9:19 PM] thechurchofsatan: When the NPO says corruption is happening you better fucking believe it, heh. Pretty wild.
2824[9:19 PM] Ark: Look at it this way (as someone I was talking to in private earlier told me): i started out as a prominent voice for Lazarene freedom. Now I'm a prominent martyr for Lazarene freedom.
2825[9:19 PM] Ark: Agreed, CoS
2826[9:19 PM] Ike: lel
2827[9:19 PM] Ark: Though to be fair we've never been particularly corrupt.
2828[9:19 PM] Ike: Don't let it get to your head, Mr. Messiah
2829[9:20 PM] Vapid: You're not corrupt
2830[9:20 PM] Vapid: Just authoritarian
2831[9:20 PM] Vapid: there's a difference(edited)
2832[9:20 PM] thechurchofsatan: Well, not you specifically Ark.
2833[9:20 PM] Ark: Such is life when the entire law code of the region fits in a Discord message. :wink:
2834[9:20 PM] Vapid: Russia is both, america is only one of the two
2835[9:20 PM] Ike: The NPO mixes elements of the USSR, Nazi Germany, and red China into a big mish mash of authoritarian efficiency
2836[9:20 PM] Ike: While leaving out most of the bad parts about all three
2837[9:20 PM] Vapid: I'd compare it more to rome, really
2838[9:20 PM] Ike: Maybe so
2839[9:21 PM] Vapid: I'd like to remind you that the USSR and Germany both got ideas from Julius Caesar
2840[9:21 PM] Ark: Nazi germany? >>
2841[9:21 PM] Ark: I can see the USSR
2842[9:21 PM] Ark: and maybe China
2843[9:21 PM] Ark: But not Germany
2844[9:21 PM] thechurchofsatan: Can't deny that the NPO has done some underhanded stuff over the years so when it comes to suspicious activity they know what they're talking about.
2845[9:21 PM] Vapid: Yes, Germany
2846[9:22 PM] Ark: True, CoS
2847[9:22 PM] Vapid: Like, not the kill jews part
2848[9:22 PM] Ike: Germany. Production efficiency, demagogic propaganda
2849[9:22 PM] Ike: An iron will
2850[9:22 PM] Vapid: The colonialism idea was very much present in the past
2851[9:22 PM] Ike: And lebensraum
2852[9:22 PM] Vapid: In Pacifica
2853[9:22 PM] Ark: But when we are on the side of the greater good, we fight like demons.
2854[9:22 PM] Ike: Yeah
2855[9:22 PM] Ike: But when you aren't
2856[9:22 PM] Ike: You just piss everyone off
2857[9:22 PM] Ike: Maybe more like America in that respect
2858[9:22 PM] Vapid: Which is hilarious btw
2859[9:22 PM] Ark: That's how we roll, for better or for worse.(edited)
2860[9:23 PM] Ike: What'd be a good picture for the Guardian article on the petition?
2861[9:23 PM] Ike: We're bringing this to GP
2862[9:24 PM] Ark: Not sure.
2863[9:24 PM] thechurchofsatan: Gimme a sec to brainstorm and google. :stuck_out_tongue:
2864[9:24 PM] Ike: ayyo
2865[9:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): some old painting of 17th century people signing something
2866[9:24 PM] Ike: Good idea
2867[9:24 PM] Ark: Also I don't know if it was you or Fratt, @thechurchofsatan, but I do want to extend my informal thanks for re establishing embassies with the Pacific.
2868[9:25 PM] thechurchofsatan: Well fratt and I talked about it.
2869[9:25 PM] Ark: It was an unexpected move to reach out to us, but I'm glad you made it.
2870[9:25 PM] Ark: Ah
2871[9:25 PM] thechurchofsatan: I figure after two years the least we could do was re-establish embassies.(edited)
2872[9:26 PM] Ark: Yeah. I've been saying for a while now that we aren't the same org that caused NLO.
2873[9:26 PM] Ark: Hopefully this is a step to proving that.
2874[9:26 PM] thechurchofsatan: Honestly not an easy decision for me under the circumstances.
2875[9:27 PM] Ark: I respect that.
2876[9:27 PM] Vapid: Alright, so, gameplan if SHTF?
2877[9:27 PM] Ark: If funk coups, you mean?
2878[9:27 PM] Ike: We've made a couple of contingencies
2879[9:27 PM] Ark: That's actually the best-case scenario at this point.
2880[9:28 PM] Vapid: agreed :stuck_out_tongue:
2881[9:28 PM] Ark: Means we can bring our full forces to bare on Lazarus. And Pier's Telegram would suggest Pacifican pilers are on the table now as well.
2882[9:28 PM] Vapid: But what to do in the aftermath? Ban LWU?
2883[9:28 PM] Ike: Ivan's a cunt, but a useful one
2884[9:28 PM] Ike: Well
2885[9:28 PM] Ike: Who leads LWU? Scardino?
2886[9:28 PM] Ike: Evil Wolf?(edited)
2887[9:28 PM] Vapid: Evil Wolf, technically
2888[9:29 PM] Ark: Let the non-imported citizens vote on it.
2889[9:29 PM] Ike: Yeah
2890[9:29 PM] Ike: I'm hesitant to proscribe any organizations straight away, but if LWU leadership was involved, they're as good as the NPO in 2015
2891[9:29 PM] Ark: The amount of mercy given to Funk and friends will be chosen democratically :stuck_out_tongue:
2892[9:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): assuming this actually works
2893[9:30 PM] Ark: Though I can tell you my vote will be to ban the people responsible that are in the government, but not proscribe the whole org.
2894[9:30 PM] Ark: So banning Funk, EW, and Lamb would be ideal
2895[9:30 PM] Ike: As well as any knowingly complicit votebots
2896[9:31 PM] Ark: Well
2897[9:31 PM] Ark: I'm not sure about that. Maybe
2898[9:31 PM] Ike: I think we'll see when it's all over, the degree to which it's all been corrupted
2899[9:31 PM] thechurchofsatan: They deserve a trial just as the GoF did.
2900[9:31 PM] Ark: They won't have anyone to complacently vote for if we ban the head of the snake :stuck_out_tongue:
2901[9:31 PM] Ark: Fair
2902[9:32 PM] thechurchofsatan: As for that pic for the petition: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/DDA7/production/_85134765_85134764.jpg
2903
2904[9:32 PM] Ike: I think I'll use this one: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.timetoast.com/public/uploads/photos/5047013/HultonArchiveTennisCourtOath.jpg?1476658239
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2906[9:32 PM] Ike: lol CoS
2907[9:32 PM] Vapid: you can make a religion out of this
2908[9:32 PM] Vapid: no
2909[9:32 PM] Vapid: don't
2910[9:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
2911[9:32 PM] thechurchofsatan: The leaders of North and South Korea shaking hands seems a good comparison.
2912[9:32 PM] Ark: But yeah, we all agree that the banning should be done temporarily.
2913[9:33 PM] Ark: *Democratically
2914[9:33 PM] Ike: japan should take the islands
2915[9:33 PM] Ark: Sorry
2916[9:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): (re the painting)
2917[9:33 PM] Ike: 
2918
2919[9:33 PM] Ark: lol
2920[9:33 PM] Ike: Democratically, yes
2921[9:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): let's not get ahead of ourselves
2922[9:33 PM] Vapid: The best case scenario, imho, is that Funk reconciles and admits his error
2923[9:33 PM] Vapid: Let's all hope for that
2924[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that would be best
2925[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): but very unlikely
2926[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): knowing funk
2927[9:34 PM] Vapid: We should be ruthless but willing to salvage unity
2928[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed
2929[9:34 PM] thechurchofsatan: I don't think Funk would coup.
2930[9:34 PM] Ike: 
2931
2932[9:34 PM] Atlantica: II would strongly support doing what was initially proposed by Adytus during Osiran debates on the PRO law; proscribing certain organizations (such as the LWU), but allowing the Guardians (or a different organization, if we're so inclined) to selectively permit certain individuals to join proscribed organizations if we know that they can be trusted (Someone like Vapid, for example, may participate in organizations that could potentially be proscribed due to their potential shadyness in serving as recruitment centers for votebots for the LWU agenda, but he's proven that he's loyal to Lazarus and its people today)
2933[9:35 PM] Ike: I like that idea. We can certainly discuss it in the legislature when the time comes
2934[9:35 PM] Ark: Mhm.
2935[9:36 PM] Pherttsylvania: I don't know what everyone else's take on this is, but if it seems Funk won't give it up we can focus on his apparent disinterest in resolving literally any of the issues happening at the moment. Hell, I'd be willing to push the angle that Lamb is doing more for the region and frame the whole thing on the fact that Funk just doesn't care anymore.
2936[9:37 PM] Ark: Meh
2937[9:37 PM] Vapid: then why is he delegate?
2938[9:37 PM] Pherttsylvania: Why is he still?
2939[9:37 PM] Ark: Because he was the best option at the time...
2940[9:37 PM] thechurchofsatan: Best case scenario he backs out and takes a slap on the wrist so he can still run for government positions in the future. Despite his actions he does still care about the region in his own messed up way.
2941[9:37 PM] Ark: Or so we thought.
2942[9:37 PM] Ark: Hell, he had me convinced at the beginning.
2943[9:37 PM] Ark: :confused:
2944[9:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): me too :/
2945[9:38 PM] Vapid: The lazarenes are a strong willed people :stuck_out_tongue:
2946[9:38 PM] Ark: We are now.
2947[9:38 PM] Lenlyvit: That's right
2948[9:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we please take this one step at a time? We can't take all this for granted and though it's much easier to plan for the future it's important to make sure we get through it now
2949[9:38 PM] Ike: ^
2950[9:38 PM] Vapid: There are a million ways this could go
2951[9:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): who's up for some more writing
2952[9:38 PM] Vapid: Let's wait until Funk responds
2953[9:38 PM] thechurchofsatan: True. We need to focus on the present.
2954[9:38 PM] Pherttsylvania: yes
2955[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also
2956[9:39 PM] Ark: We are just making contingencies, but agreed. I think we have already made all the contingencies we need and then some.
2957[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): overdo them in activity
2958[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lamb has been gone for a couple days
2959[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): make it clear we're generating activity for the reigon
2960[9:39 PM] Pherttsylvania: I think we're already gearing up well that way
2961[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): gameside too
2962[9:39 PM] Ark: Someone jump in and start doing his job for him :wink:
2963[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not just in the council
2964[9:39 PM] Pherttsylvania: I want to get in on the NS forum threads about things too
2965[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Atlantica can we introduce the RP stuff without him?
2966[9:40 PM] Ark: Yes.
2967[9:40 PM] thechurchofsatan: Well we have a competing publication in Lazarus and The Gazette is dead. I say we overshadow it.
2968[9:40 PM] Vapid: If not, do it anyways, just unofficially.
2969[9:40 PM] Ark: RP isn't under his purview.
2970[9:40 PM] Ark: It's under @Atlantica
2971[9:40 PM] Ark: Which means Atl can roll it out whenever the hell he wants.
2972[9:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I know, but he was acting like he was in charge of it
2973[9:41 PM] Ark: He did the same thing with FA.
2974[9:41 PM] Ark: Funk gave him free reign to order other departments around :stuck_out_tongue:
2975[9:43 PM] Atlantica: I actually did have a couple of productive conversations with Lamb and Funk regarding RP and they both (especially Lamb) presented good ideas and were helpful at the time, but I can try to do some worldbuilding and start a roleplay without working with Lamb and Funk.
2976[9:43 PM] Ark: Do it.
2977[9:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
2978[9:45 PM] Vapid: 
2979
2980[9:46 PM] Amerion: Haha lol
2981[9:46 PM] thechurchofsatan: Gonna get some sleep. Been up for 12 hours now.
2982[9:47 PM] Amerion: Night  @thechurchofsatan:blush:
2983[9:47 PM] Ike: lel
2984[9:49 PM] Ike: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=418902&p=32173437#p32173437
2985[9:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this is the logo :stuck_out_tongue:
2986
2987[9:50 PM] Ike: Ahhh
2988[9:50 PM] Ike: Will fix
2989[9:53 PM] Ark: Can't wait to hear some more ridicule from people I don't like :stuck_out_tongue:
2990😆2
2991[9:53 PM] Ike: @here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=856462 << upvote mates
2992[9:53 PM] Ark: Done.
2993[9:54 PM] Ike: wonderful
2994[9:54 PM] Thatcher: Could you use the nation tags for the nations at the bottom?
2995[9:54 PM] Ark: That might take a while, lol
2996[9:54 PM] Ike: I would, but it's a pain collecting some people's nations, which are different than their names in Lazarus sometimes
2997[9:54 PM] Ark: Yeah.
2998[9:55 PM] Ark: Not sure it's really necessary, either.
2999[9:55 PM] Thatcher: Okay
3000[9:55 PM] Thatcher: I can do it if you want. Oh well
3001[9:55 PM] Ike: If you want to, feel free and I'll edit it in
3002[9:55 PM] Thatcher: Sounds good
3003[9:57 PM] Ike: The Guardian issue hit 12 upvotes
3004[9:57 PM] Ike: Proud of y'all
3005[9:57 PM] Ark: Sweet.
3006[9:57 PM] Vapid: someone get upvote legions on this :stuck_out_tongue:
3007[9:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): upboat squad
3008[9:58 PM] Amerion: Like TNP :)
3009[9:58 PM] Thatcher: Can I do an @ everyone asking for nation names, or no? I only need like 5(edited)
3010[10:00 PM] thechurchofsatan: turns over
3011Lazarus CoS
3012turns back and starts snoring
3013[10:00 PM] Vapid: Native
3014[10:00 PM] Ike: :heart:
3015[10:01 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Aumelodia
3016[10:01 PM] Thatcher: @Ike I need the following names: Andrew, Omega, Seraph, Griffindor, and Vapid.
3017[10:01 PM] Ike: Vapid is Native
3018[10:01 PM] Ike: Andrew I think is San Andrewa
3019[10:01 PM] Ike: Not sure about the rest
3020[10:01 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): San Andrewa
3021[10:02 PM] thechurchofsatan: Check their profiles on the forum.
3022[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): United Federated States of Omega
3023[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Terephah
3024[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not sure about grif
3025[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Native
3026[10:03 PM] Thatcher: Who did you guys say Vapid was again?
3027[10:03 PM] Vapid: Native
3028[10:03 PM] Ike: Native
3029[10:04 PM] Thatcher: Nation name though.
3030[10:04 PM] Ike: Yep
3031[10:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): there we go, now Vapid = Gibraltarica checks out
3032[10:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): lol
3033[10:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): his nation is "Native"
3034[10:04 PM] Thatcher: Ohhh
3035[10:04 PM] Ark: Lmao
3036[10:04 PM] Thatcher: Haha
3037[10:04 PM] Ark: That was an SNL moment or something
3038[10:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this is like Who's on First
3039[10:05 PM] Vapid: This is why I made my nation native
3040[10:05 PM] Vapid: so much confusion
3041[10:05 PM] Vapid: so much irony
3042[10:05 PM] Ike: I told you, Who's on first!
3043[10:05 PM] Thatcher: @Griffindor @Seraph Who are your nation names? (I need to add them to the dispatch_)
3044[10:05 PM] Ike: Why you asking me?
3045[10:06 PM] Ike: Seraph is https://www.nationstates.net/nation=terephah
3046[10:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Seraph is Terephah
3047[10:06 PM] Thatcher: Okay thank you!
3048[10:06 PM] Ark: I can't believe the name "Native" wasn't already taken @Vapid
3049[10:06 PM] Thatcher: Yeah, lmao
3050[10:06 PM] Vapid: I took it 5 days after it was available
3051[10:06 PM] Vapid: I also got the nation Freddie Mercury
3052[10:07 PM] Ike: I got Rus
3053[10:07 PM] Griffindor: Lazarus I assume??
3054[10:07 PM] Ike: I waited over a hundred days to grab Rus
3055[10:07 PM] Thatcher: Yes
3056[10:07 PM] Ark: Do you still have it? @Ike
3057[10:07 PM] Amerion: Lol, I've 7 nations in my dossier who I'm just waiting to die
3058[10:07 PM] Ike: Indeed
3059[10:07 PM] Ark: Is it big enough to have a pretitle?
3060[10:07 PM] Ike: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=rus
3061[10:07 PM] Ike: Uh
3062[10:07 PM] Ike: Almost.
3063[10:08 PM] Vapid: Make it Kievan
3064[10:08 PM] Vapid: The Kievan of Rus
3065[10:08 PM] Thatcher: Haha
3066[10:08 PM] Ike: That's not how Kievan Rus worked :stuck_out_tongue:
3067[10:08 PM] Ark: When it is, you should move it to Laz and call it "The Laza of Rus"
3068[10:08 PM] Ike: >_>
3069[10:08 PM] Griffindor: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=what_is_dead_may_never_die
3070
3071"What is dead may never die"
3072[10:08 PM] Ark: Because why not
3073[10:08 PM] Ike: It's pronounced Roos
3074[10:08 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yes
3075[10:08 PM] Ark: Lazarooooos
3076[10:08 PM] Thatcher: Thank you @Griffindor
3077[10:08 PM] Ike: The Grand Principality of Rus, methinks
3078[10:09 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Feel like answering Constie in GP as to why no recall vote yet?
3079[10:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): erm
3080[10:09 PM] Ike: I feel like now is a good time to start discussing a recall vote.
3081[10:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We need evidence
3082[10:09 PM] Ark: "Because we'd have to outnumber the imported voters first :^)"
3083[10:09 PM] Ike: I'm thinking more gross incompetence than criminal charges atm
3084[10:10 PM] Ark: Incompetence should be a criminal charge
3085[10:10 PM] Ark: >_>
3086[10:10 PM] Ark: <_<
3087[10:10 PM] Ike: :heart:
3088[10:11 PM] Amerion: He barely has three weeks left tho
3089[10:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Idea
3090[10:11 PM] Ike: True
3091[10:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we need to put up a proposal to change the delegate voting system
3092[10:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): to like TSP's
3093[10:12 PM] Amerion: For in-game as well
3094[10:12 PM] Amerion: ?
3095[10:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): give the gameside natives a voice
3096[10:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): who could object to that
3097[10:12 PM] Pherttsylvania: Will he just wait things out until the election though?
3098[10:12 PM] Amerion: I'll change the proposal then
3099[10:12 PM] Ike: Yes indeed
3100[10:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can we propose it separately @Amerion?
3101[10:12 PM] Amerion: Depends
3102[10:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I feel like the other baggage will weigh it down
3103[10:13 PM] Amerion: Do you want to keep the same mandate?
3104[10:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): in the end, no, for now, yes
3105[10:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it makes it easier to pass
3106[10:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): someone else besides me should propose it
3107[10:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm trying to make myself more popular among gameside anyway >.>
3108[10:14 PM] Lenlyvit: What is being proposed?
3109[10:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Ill propose it
3110[10:14 PM] Ark: I think Ike should, unless Len is about to propose it lol
3111[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no, you're too unknown >.>
3112[10:14 PM] Ark: Len works
3113[10:14 PM] Ark: >_>
3114[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): sorry Len :stuck_out_tongue:
3115[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hmm
3116[10:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Oh, nvm
3117[10:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Then
3118[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): maybe though
3119[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Andrew?
3120[10:14 PM] Amerion: Ike, our resident martyr
3121[10:14 PM] Amerion: God bless
3122[10:14 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike is our propagandist
3123[10:14 PM] Ark: Andrew is a good one :open_mouth:
3124[10:15 PM] Amerion: So this amendment is purely to the CMA?
3125[10:15 PM] Ike: heh
3126[10:15 PM] Ike: I can do it, if no one else wants
3127[10:15 PM] Ark: HEY
3128[10:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he's too thick in the politics, we need someone who has experience and can be genuinely believed to do it for the good of the region
3129[10:15 PM] Ark: if we get this proposal passed
3130[10:15 PM] Atlantica: I like the idea of having a TSP-style Delegate system in theory, but in practice I'm concerned that raiders could flood Lazarus with puppets with WA and use that to weigh the Delegacy vote without any protections that could potentially come from a forum (e.g., security checks, proscribed regions, denial of known conspirators, security councils to preemptively deny security threats, etc.)
3131[10:15 PM] Ark: Then that presents a perfect time frame for Ike to TG bomb Lazarus
3132[10:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
3133[10:16 PM] Ark: This would be a temporary system, Atl
3134[10:16 PM] Morozovia: 
3135
3136[10:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): TSP does WA-native-only
3137[10:16 PM] Ark: We'd have to have someone monitoring the WAs
3138[10:16 PM] Ark: Yeah
3139[10:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what are the poll options?
3140[10:16 PM] Morozovia: jk btw lol
3141[10:16 PM] Ark: WA + resident I think
3142[10:17 PM] Ark: And if you leave the WA or region your vote is discarded iirc
3143[10:17 PM] Ark: We just have to watch update.
3144[10:17 PM] Ark: Or rather the happenings page.
3145[10:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Select who is eligible to vote. Nations must meet all of the selected criteria to be eligible. Votes from nations that become ineligible between voting and the close of the poll are discarded.
3146
3147Residents: Nations in the region.
3148
3149Natives: Nations that possess more Regional Influence here than in any other region.
3150
3151WA Members: Members of the World Assembly.
3152
3153Large Nations: Nations with a population of at least 1 billion.
3154
3155Influential Nations: Nations possessing Regional Influence equivalent to having spent 1,000 unendorsed days in the region.
3156[10:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): those are the poll options
3157[10:18 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): WA + Influential nations?
3158[10:18 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that would work
3159[10:18 PM] Vapid: @Morozovia People's Republic of the South Pacific?
3160[10:18 PM] Vapid: :stuck_out_tongue:
3161[10:18 PM] Ike: Socialist Republic.
3162[10:18 PM] Ike: Fucking prole.
3163[10:19 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Now that we've established collectively that KK is not legally Prelate, is it worth it at this point to unmask him?
3164[10:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Not from me
3165[10:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Only a forum admin
3166[10:20 PM] Ike: Are any of us aside from Harm forum admins?
3167[10:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no
3168[10:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it's DYP, Harm, Funk
3169[10:21 PM] Ike: Right.
3170[10:21 PM] Lenlyvit: I love how Funk is ignoring your post on the forum
3171[10:21 PM] Ike: @harmoneia Would you be inclined to take some action on our behalf, or would you rather not?
3172[10:21 PM] Vapid: I've talked to funk
3173[10:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): am I allowed to edit the colors on the WFE? :stuck_out_tongue:
3174[10:21 PM] Vapid: He says "they're children"
3175[10:21 PM] Vapid: So I wouldn't be surprised
3176[10:22 PM] Ike: Actually I'm a legal adult under Canadian law as of July 11th, 2017
3177[10:22 PM] Ike: So he can suck my peepee
3178[10:22 PM] Lenlyvit: I'm 23
3179[10:22 PM] Vapid: Hi 23
3180[10:22 PM] Vapid: I'm dad
3181[10:22 PM] Ike: die
3182[10:22 PM] Vapid: I've tried
3183[10:22 PM] Vapid: ravioli ravioli give me the death I deservioli
3184[10:22 PM] Ike: I don't want to doxx anyone but i have to point out that if you translate Lenly's last name from German, it's metal as fuck
3185[10:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): where did that come from :p
3186[10:24 PM] Vapid: My last name comes from Irish for "Brave" :stuck_out_tongue:
3187[10:24 PM] Ike: My last name is a Greek word for a kind of ruler
3188[10:24 PM] Ike: Bow down, peasants.
3189[10:26 PM] Amerion: Funk likes to belittle his opposition. Rude.
3190[10:26 PM] Lenlyvit: Our original last name was Scottish, before it was changed in the 1600's when they came to America
3191[10:27 PM] Pherttsylvania: A couple days ago he and Lamb couldn't quit talking in voice chat about how my nation name is totally like, Fart-slyvania lolol
3192[10:27 PM] Ike: Mine was shortened before I was born because no one could pronounce it, it was so long.
3193[10:27 PM] Vapid: I was wrong. It comes from welsh
3194[10:27 PM] Vapid: (Dewr)
3195[10:28 PM] Ike: A sheepshagger instead of a potato fetish
3196[10:28 PM] Pherttsylvania: my last name doesn't mean anything
3197[10:28 PM] Pherttsylvania: I lack culture
3198[10:29 PM] Vapid: It's okay
3199[10:29 PM] Vapid: we can't all be weird
3200[10:30 PM] Lenlyvit: It was changed from Mercer to Messer
3201[10:30 PM] Lenlyvit: I prefer Mercer
3202[10:30 PM] Lenlyvit: Sounds better
3203[10:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): otherwise we get to call you messy lenly
3204[10:31 PM] Lenlyvit: Kek
3205[10:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10255777/1/
3206[10:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so guys: Lamb's not around right now, and he's the toughest nut of the bunch. We need to get all we possibly can done now before he can be back to stop it
3207[10:43 PM] Ike: What specific action do you suggest at the current time?
3208[10:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): let's get the delegate election proposal up
3209[10:43 PM] Ike: Want me to write the law?
3210[10:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): let's write it together
3211[10:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Amerion are you around to help?(edited)
3212[10:43 PM] Ike: Sure thing
3213[10:43 PM] Amerion: Wait I don't think it's a good idea
3214[10:43 PM] Amerion: Funk may flood the region with WAs
3215[10:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no
3216[10:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the poll would be WA + influential
3217[10:44 PM] Amerion: How does this poll work?
3218[10:44 PM] Ike: How about this
3219[10:44 PM] Ike: When you become a citizen, you are ineligible to vote in the next Delegate election, however soon it may be
3220[10:45 PM] Vapid: I'm decent at writing legislation :stuck_out_tongue:
3221[10:45 PM] Ike: After that, it's open season
3222[10:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Select who is eligible to vote. Nations must meet all of the selected criteria to be eligible. Votes from nations that become ineligible between voting and the close of the poll are discarded.
3223
3224Residents: Nations in the region.
3225
3226Natives: Nations that possess more Regional Influence here than in any other region.
3227
3228WA Members: Members of the World Assembly.
3229
3230Large Nations: Nations with a population of at least 1 billion.
3231
3232Influential Nations: Nations possessing Regional Influence equivalent to having spent 1,000 unendorsed days in the region.
3233those are the poll options @Amerion
3234[10:45 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) That definition is flawed because many raiders and defenders never build up influence anywhere else since they're always moving around
3235[10:45 PM] Ike: It would mean nothing
3236[10:45 PM] Ike: And DEATs happen, rendering large populations irrelevant
3237[10:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): here's how I imagine it:
3238[10:46 PM] Amerion: @Vapid should do it if he's all g with doing it
3239[10:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): - citizens vote on all the candidates like a normal election
3240[10:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
3241[10:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): - then the top two candidates go to a regionside poll that's open to all WA and influential nations
3242[10:47 PM] Kanglia: Basically what TSP does Som?
3243[10:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like TSP, I admit
3244[10:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
3245[10:47 PM] Ike: But only citizens can vote on actual laws?
3246[10:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): laws?
3247[10:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this has nothing to do with laws
3248[10:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so yes
3249[10:47 PM] Svezjacael: I disagree with "native" personally. I have been "in" Lazarus since 2013, but because of CTEs and such, my Pacifican nation is far more influential, also in part for being a RO in TP
3250[10:47 PM] Kanglia: No no I think that's fine, TSP has a great system imo
3251[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Svezjacael you already have a vote, as a citizen, though
3252[10:48 PM] Vapid: Alright
3253[10:48 PM] Ike: I feel like this is a tough standard for voting
3254[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this is for the people
3255[10:48 PM] Vapid: Tell me what y'all need me to do
3256[10:48 PM] Vapid: And I'll do it
3257[10:48 PM] Svezjacael: True, true.
3258[10:48 PM] Amerion: ^^^
3259[10:48 PM] Ike: Lot of people won't be eligible, like R/Ders and recently DEAT'd people
3260[10:48 PM] Ike: There has to be a simpler way
3261[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no
3262[10:48 PM] Amerion: ^^^
3263[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): if you're a citizen you get to vote
3264[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you get to vote in the first round of voting
3265[10:48 PM] Ike: Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose
3266[10:48 PM] Ike: What
3267[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): >.<'
3268[10:48 PM] Kanglia: Voting takes place on forum
3269[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion, guide Ike to see the way
3270[10:48 PM] Amerion: Aume. I'm confused. Write up your idea and we can have a look at it
3271[10:49 PM] Kanglia: Top 2 go gameside in a poll
3272[10:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
3273[10:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
3274[10:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): kanglia has it
3275[10:49 PM] Kanglia: Only WA nations & influential ones can vote
3276[10:49 PM] Kanglia: So, R/D & DEAT'd gets to vote in round 1
3277[10:49 PM] Amerion: Ahhh, so you can set the poll to have people who are not WA but who have influence to vire?
3278[10:49 PM] Kanglia: To narrow it down to the top 2
3279[10:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): well, you could'
3280[10:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): but WA and influential (above 1000 spdr) is extra security
3281[10:50 PM] Ike: Why exclude them in the second round, though
3282[10:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): because no longterm puppets
3283[10:50 PM] Kanglia: ^
3284[10:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you're not necessarily excluding them
3285[10:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like Amerion could vote in both
3286[10:51 PM] Kanglia: It prevents mass R/D'ers flooding the elections
3287[10:51 PM] Amerion: I'm mobile atm so can't reply to everything but TSP wpuld have put a lot of thought into their system, so yeh
3288[10:51 PM] Ike: Someone like me, or Atlantica, who skits around with their WA for R/D purposes, would be ineligible to vote in the second round
3289[10:51 PM] Ike: I feel like this is unnecessary
3290[10:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the second round isn't all about you though :stuck_out_tongue:
3291[10:52 PM] Ike: It's about all of us
3292[10:52 PM] Kanglia: I personally think the either or option is a good way to go
3293[10:52 PM] Ike: That includes all of us, including me, and others like me
3294[10:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this isn't about giving you more votes, or our bloc more votes
3295[10:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): this is about including the always-excluded gameside
3296[10:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): (which could, if I have enough name recognition there, tip us in favor)
3297[10:53 PM] Ike: I don't want more votes, I want a vote
3298[10:53 PM] Ike: A vote equal to other Lazarenes
3299[10:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ugh.
3300[10:53 PM] Ike: Not inferior in a rounds-based system
3301[10:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you have a vote.
3302[10:53 PM] Ike: I have one vote and others have two
3303[10:53 PM] Ike: One person, one vote.
3304[10:54 PM] Kanglia: Make it based off of an either or on WA or SPDR system
3305[10:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Just saying, there are more Unionists eligible to vote in a WA-influence poll >.>
3306[10:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's not the main point though
3307[10:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I care about this not because of the current situation but because I want the rest of Lazarus to have a voice in these decisions
3308[10:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 
3309The Dawn of Daybreak13
33109 minutes ago
3311Wired To → Grub
33127 minutes ago
3313Grub,
3314I hope this telegram finds you with Lazarus still in good health. As the ambassador from Lazarus to XKI along with The Concordant Waters of Aumelodia, the leader of the LCA (Lazarene military), we think it would be in the utmost desire of our region to get TITO on hold and on watch with Lazarus in case the worst happens. This needs to be kept behind Funkadelia's back as he is a suspected member of the invading party. Also, I am currently in a operation that may help us all to determine what is happening in Lazarus. But- my mission needs to be kept in utmost secrecy until the time is right. I am on the unofficial XKI Discord server as 'The13th' if you need to send me a message there.
3315Thanks! :)
3316[10:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): completely unrelated, just thought I should post here
3317[10:56 PM] Ark: @here I have a small, relatively insignificant gift for all of you. I want to acknowledge all of your hard work in a way that will last, regardless of whether we win or not. So while my photo skills are not exactly World-renowned, I present you with the Lazarene Freedom Ribbon:
3318[10:56 PM] Ark: 
3319
3320👍4
3321[10:57 PM] Ike: xD good work
3322[10:57 PM] Svezjacael: I like that!
3323[10:57 PM] Ark: Feel free to display it in your signatures if you like.
3324[10:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I will.'
3325[10:57 PM] Ark: Ike, you can pin it if you want :stuck_out_tongue:
3326[10:57 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) I think for now, we should hold off on the Delegate election law, given the lack of consensus on to how it would work, and focus on a law regarding the powers of the Delegate/CB
3327[10:57 PM] Ike: Y'know, switching em
3328[10:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ark can you remove the background? :stuck_out_tongue:
3329Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/19/2017
3330[10:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hmmm
3331[10:58 PM] Ike: We tried
3332[10:58 PM] Ike: Hard to get off
3333[10:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's less likely to pass
3334[10:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the gameside leans in our favor
3335[10:58 PM] Ike: You said as much yourself it's not so much as what leans in our favor
3336[10:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm not completely sure what your criticism is
3337[10:58 PM] Ark: We don't have time to hold off on the election vote, tbh
3338[10:59 PM] Ike: It's what will be good for Lazarus, and I fundamentally disagree with the concept of some residents having superior voting powers than others
3339[10:59 PM] Ark: Elections aren't far away, and we have to anticipate attempts to stall the vote.
3340[11:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike anyone can easily be a 1000spdr-WAer just by tarting before an election
3341[11:00 PM] Ark: ^
3342[11:00 PM] Svezjacael: The image is massive Ark. Is there a smaller version?
3343[11:01 PM] Ark: Uuuh
3344[11:01 PM] Ark: Not really. I didn't plan this out very well, you see
3345[11:01 PM] Ike: And completely neutralize our R/D activity for a week to be able to vote?
3346[11:01 PM] Kanglia: Roavin is doing it atm, in fairness
3347[11:02 PM] Ike: And his absence on the battlefield is a tragedy
3348[11:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike we don't need to
3349[11:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): look at who the guardians are
3350[11:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm going to
3351[11:02 PM] Vapid: I don't like the TSP-type system, as a side-note
3352[11:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
3353[11:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): why?
3354[11:02 PM] Vapid: I think forumgoers are generally more active
3355[11:03 PM] Ike: It's incredibly elitist in the essence of it, but unfortunately true
3356[11:03 PM] Vapid: And those on site are more likely to be not so altruistic
3357[11:03 PM] Ike: Forum goers should be prioritized because they are the activity
3358[11:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :face_palm: but they're not
3359[11:03 PM] Kanglia: Idea:
3360[11:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we forumgoers act as though we are the very lifeblood of the region
3361[11:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we're not
3362[11:04 PM] Kanglia: Actually, nvm
3363[11:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the region would go on and tubbius would continue to fatten without us
3364[11:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the RMBers are just as active
3365[11:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): should they not be able to determine their delegate, the only real vestige of in-game power?
3366[11:05 PM] Ike: Yes, and by extent, I would argue that they should join the forums and register as citizens to have that right.
3367[11:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): They may not want to
3368[11:05 PM] Ike: It takes like a minute to register and apply
3369[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it's unfamiliar, offsite, etc.
3370[11:06 PM] Ike: It's tradition
3371[11:06 PM] Ark: That's a pretty lame excuse, Somy :stuck_out_tongue:
3372[11:06 PM] Ark: More like people are lazy
3373[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay fine :stuck_out_tongue:
3374[11:06 PM] Ark: Tbh
3375[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): tyre
3376[11:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): tradition is a pretty lame excuse too :stuck_out_tongue:
3377[11:07 PM] Ark: Grow Up is a cute game.
3378[11:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'd love to see a GCR that didn't use an offsite forum
3379[11:07 PM] Ark: The War Zones?
3380[11:07 PM] Ark: :wink:
3381[11:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): lol
3382[11:07 PM] Ark: It yeah tradition is weak as well
3383[11:07 PM] Svezjacael: You know what else is a cute game? Life is Strange. :cry:
3384[11:08 PM] Ark: Either way, I like the proposal for a gameside vote.
3385[11:08 PM] Morozovia: My god that medal is big... too bad, I'll display it with honor
3386[11:08 PM] Ark: @Svezjacael it's not cute it's mind-boggling
3387[11:08 PM] Svezjacael: But yeah, I like the gameside vote. It'll get the natives who don't go forum side to hear. 
3388No it's hell. The floor is emotional damage.
3389[11:08 PM] Svezjacael: rocks back and forth in fetal position The floor is emotional damage, the floor is emotional damage, the floor....
3390[11:08 PM] Ike: I want a gameside vote that doesn't exclude dedicated citizens who don't happen to keep a WA lying around all the time
3391[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Morozovia you can do [img=50,50][/img] to resize it
3392[11:09 PM] Ike: It's not hard for votebots to tart either
3393[11:09 PM] Vapid: Sorry for the absence
3394[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
3395[11:09 PM] Vapid: Forumgoers aren't the lifeblood
3396[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): how can we change that, then?
3397[11:09 PM] Vapid: but they're by far the most active portion
3398[11:09 PM] Morozovia: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Oh thanks :sweat_smile:
3399[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean the problems Ike has
3400[11:09 PM] Ark: We can also just add a votebot for each of their votebots if it comes to that.
3401[11:09 PM] Vapid: If not by forum, then at least by discord
3402[11:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): most active in traditional GCR government activity, you mean
3403[11:10 PM] Vapid: That is true
3404[11:10 PM] Vapid: But if they show the incentive to join the forums
3405[11:10 PM] Vapid: they will show the incentive to do other things
3406[11:10 PM] Vapid: The forums are a learning curve.
3407[11:10 PM] Vapid: And a steep one
3408[11:10 PM] Ike: Forum joining is an easy process, and it's beneficial to get as many people on them as possible
3409[11:10 PM] Vapid: Make of that what you will
3410[11:10 PM] Vapid: He who can be trusted with little can be trusted with much
3411[11:11 PM] Ike: It enhances our activity, and if you don't want to actively participate, you only have to register and visit once every few months to choose your delegate
3412[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed, I stayed away from offsite forums for my first half year on NS
3413[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): for whatever reason, people don't though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
3414[11:11 PM] Vapid: I can tell you why
3415[11:11 PM] Vapid: It's another thing to sign up for
3416[11:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): mhm
3417[11:12 PM] Vapid: It's a learning curve that blocks the unmotivated
3418[11:12 PM] Vapid: I would argue that to be a good thing.
3419[11:12 PM] Vapid: We could advertise the forums more
3420[11:12 PM] Vapid: tell people the benefits of being forumgoers
3421[11:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): someone in my other region refused to join discord because he "didn't want to have to learn another platform... isn't the forums and TGs good enough?"
3422[11:12 PM] Ike: Previous forum drives are always "wanna do more for your region? join up!"
3423[11:13 PM] Ike: but that ignores a simple fact
3424[11:13 PM] Ike: The people don't wanna do more. They don't give two shits
3425[11:13 PM] Ike: Instead, we dangle a carrot in front of their face
3426[11:13 PM] Wintermoot: The problem with regional forums is that there's often nothing to do on them but serve your region.
3427[11:13 PM] Ike: Hey dipshit, want a say in your Delegate? Sign up. So easy it'll make you smile.
3428[11:13 PM] Ike: Nothing else to it.
3429[11:13 PM] Ike: We barely even need forums except as a conduit for elections
3430[11:13 PM] Ike: If we wanted to run our legislature entirely through discord, we could
3431[11:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): except filling out a big form and then waiting for a week :smiley:
3432[11:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :p
3433[11:14 PM] Wintermoot: Perhaps...but a forum allows for a great deal of discussion and culture, if the work is put into it
3434[11:14 PM] Ike: Well obviously we need efficient bureaucracy
3435[11:14 PM] Ike: We always send mass TGs with the exact same message
3436[11:14 PM] Ike: Instead of trying the same old failed tactic, I suggest we be more direct
3437[11:15 PM] Ike: Find the most active RMB posters, and egg them
3438[11:15 PM] Ike: Personally. Talk to them about it, and why they should at least sign up so they can vote
3439[11:15 PM] Ike: Be like a Mormon knocking on someone's door
3440[11:15 PM] Ike: "Do you have a moment today to talk about your voting power?"
3441[11:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the one thing that does get people riled up is their rights
3442[11:16 PM] Ike: Live Free Or Die, on the Lazarene ForumTM
3443[11:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what say I post the delegate elections amendment on the RMB, with a seductive little link.... "click on this and respond to help give yourself rights"
3444[11:17 PM] Ike: exactly lmao
3445[11:17 PM] Ark: Okay, I love the discussion here, but we need a damn decision.
3446[11:17 PM] Ike: I think we should keep the sailing smooth right now. Small, gradual changes.
3447[11:17 PM] Ike: Let's not overhaul our voting system quite yet.
3448[11:17 PM] Ark: Sacrificing R/D ops during the election period isn't that big a deal.
3449[11:18 PM] Atlantica: Going back to Ike's concern that the ability of votebots to tart will allow them to quickly gain influence to the extent that they meet the SPDR threshold, then it's perfectly possible to make the Large Regions threshold another requirement for the election.
3450[11:18 PM] Ike: Let us ask ourselves, how will switching to gameside voting help us right now?
3451[11:19 PM] Ike: Allow me, if you will, to propose an alternative voting system.
3452[11:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): For the delegate elections, it will give us an advantage. I've already said that.
3453[11:20 PM] Ark: @Ike triggering a gameside vote means you can use Amerion's TG stamps to bomb Lazarus with anti-funk rhetoric.
3454[11:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just a general poll: @here who would be in favor of a second round of delegate voting taking place on gameside and who would be opposed?
3455[11:20 PM] Ark: Timed properly, we'd get hella votes
3456[11:20 PM] Ike: Shiiiiit.
3457[11:20 PM] Ark: Second round..?
3458[11:20 PM] Ike: But that presents another problem
3459[11:20 PM] Ike: The gameside population, in the masses, tend to be sheep.
3460[11:20 PM] Ike: The vote of a forumgoer is typically informed after a long campaign period
3461[11:20 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they do, yes
3462[11:20 PM] Ike: Gamesiders don't typically check anything except their telegram box
3463[11:21 PM] Ike: Which you can expect to be full of propaganda that they don't want to hear
3464[11:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): telegram war...?
3465[11:21 PM] Ike: They'll say "fine, I'll vote for your guy, stop messaging me"
3466[11:21 PM] Ark: Good enough tbh
3467[11:21 PM] Ike: Or be easily sold on falsehoods
3468[11:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): unless you make it fun
3469[11:21 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
3470[11:21 PM] Ark: Like I said, time it right so funk doesn't get the chance to make a counter one
3471[11:21 PM] Ike: That are impossible to get them out of, because they don't visit the forums to see the facts
3472[11:21 PM] Ark: At least, not a good one
3473[11:22 PM] Ike: Don't we need a two-thirds majority to change the Mandate, and four days of voting?
3474[11:22 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
3475[11:22 PM] Ike: We're fucked if we think we can pass this at the current moment
3476[11:22 PM] Vapid: i would be opposed to delegate voting on gameside.
3477[11:22 PM] Vapid: As you already know
3478[11:22 PM] Ike: I would abstain unless it came down real close, I think. I don't like the idea.
3479[11:23 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm...well then
3480[11:23 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I don't think I can go ahead without clear support
3481[11:23 PM] Ike: Let me tell you hwat
3482[11:23 PM] Ike: We should go over it more in depth tomorrow, when everyone is around
3483[11:23 PM] Ike: We'll throw around some draft laws, edit, figure shit out
3484[11:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can we think of other better ways to get gameside/people not on the forums involved in voting
3485[11:24 PM] Ike: I'm interested in presenting my concept for overhauling the voting system
3486[11:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
3487[11:24 PM] Ike: I can, personally
3488[11:24 PM] Ike: And that is personally going after them
3489[11:24 PM] Ike: Instead of sending mass TGs, target active gamesiders and hold real conversations
3490[11:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hmm
3491[11:24 PM] Ike: Be as relentless as a Jehovah's Witness to get them on the forum
3492[11:24 PM] Ike: "Can I talk to you today about forum registration?"
3493[11:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
3494[11:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): who to target
3495[11:25 PM] Ike: Here's the beauty
3496[11:25 PM] Ike: We'd be giving a Recruiting Officer something to actually do instead of fuck all
3497[11:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Track is already on the forums right?
3498[11:25 PM] Ike: Their job is to find active gamesiders who aren't on the forum
3499[11:25 PM] Ike: And persuade them to register so they can voice their opinion
3500[11:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): is there anything that I should use my comm powers for rn?
3501[11:27 PM] Ike: I think Funk might get hella pissed if you mass TG the guardian, as in accusing you of treason kinda pissed
3502[11:28 PM] Svezjacael: Well, are we flaming the RMB right now?
3503[11:28 PM] Doperland: Hm
3504[11:28 PM] Ike: No... we should though
3505[11:29 PM] Svezjacael: That's very public. And I have the perfect idea on it too, but it requires some evidence. Are we able to securely say Funk and Lamb are cooperating with LWU?
3506[11:30 PM] Ike: I don't know.
3507[11:30 PM] Ike: @Ark @Amerion thoughts?
3508[11:31 PM] Vapid: Not legally speaking.
3509[11:31 PM] Vapid: So don't try to
3510[11:31 PM] Vapid: be the good guys
3511[11:31 PM] Ike: We can accuse them, but we don't have solid ground, only circumstantial evidence
3512[11:31 PM] Ike: What is easy to see is that they are doing bad things. But the actual link to collusion is shakier.
3513[11:31 PM] Ark: They're members.
3514[11:31 PM] Ark: That's one good point to bring up :stuck_out_tongue:
3515[11:32 PM] Ike: And they can just say it's typical drum banging about raider infiltration from salty defenders
3516[11:32 PM] Ike: We should stick to our guns, that being how it's glaringly obvious that Funk and Lamb have committed crimes and are working against us
3517[11:32 PM] Svezjacael: Well, I was going to say if we have definite evidence, a puppet from LWU saying the region will be theirs would get people to pay attention.
3518[11:32 PM] Ike: We should keep accusations of foreign collusion out of it until we have more solid ground
3519[11:33 PM] Ike: I think Mekhet did that already
3520[11:33 PM] Ike: But said it half-jokingly so that if we tried to hold him to it, he'd say it was sarcasm
3521[11:33 PM] Svezjacael: But if we had a definite gun on it who wouldn't let off, ie the puppet, we'd have people take notice.
3522[11:34 PM] Ike: Are you implying we throw up a strawman?
3523[11:34 PM] Vapid: Deception=bad
3524[11:34 PM] Ike: ^
3525[11:34 PM] Svezjacael: Only when we get the evidence to say it.
3526[11:34 PM] Vapid: I'm for a soft revolution, not one with deceit
3527[11:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): agreed
3528[11:34 PM] Svezjacael: And not a deceptive one, but we prod one of theirs to say it.
3529[11:34 PM] Ike: Well
3530[11:35 PM] Ike: If you feel like playing 007, you're free to try and get a confession
3531[11:35 PM] Svezjacael: Well, Funkadelia was a Praetorian back in the NPO way far ago, but the book has changed since. I could work on it to see what I can do about helping there, if you guys would approve that.
3532[11:35 PM] Ike: How so?
3533[11:37 PM] Svezjacael: Well, before I was a senator I was an infiltrator for the NPO, working largely in Feeders and UCRs. Most of our new methods over there have changed because of the contributions to successful infil I had. I was infil-ing TBH for a while, feeding their plans back to other regions to counter them. I could infil LWU and work on getting some progress on what they're doing themselves behind closed doors.
3534[11:37 PM] Ark: "Well, I was going to say if we have definite evidence, a puppet from LWU saying the region will be theirs would get people to pay attention." 
3535Name it Lamb Chop just to piss them off
3536[11:37 PM] Ike: I like the idea.
3537[11:38 PM] Vapid: I dislike the idea
3538[11:38 PM] Svezjacael: Alright. I'll make a puppet that they can't trace and start working on seeing what they're doing.
3539[11:38 PM] Vapid: Oh, you're talking about infiltration
3540[11:38 PM] Ike: Yea
3541[11:38 PM] Vapid: me likey(edited)
3542[11:39 PM] Vapid: We're going for NLO coup level intricacies
3543[11:39 PM] Ark: Except it's not a coup.
3544[11:39 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
3545[11:39 PM] Ike: Operation Vilkas is a go.
3546[11:39 PM] Ark: Well
3547[11:39 PM] Ark: I shouldn't say that
3548[11:39 PM] Ark: It is kind of a coup
3549[11:39 PM] Ike: What do you mean?
3550[11:39 PM] Svezjacael: Well, as a former member of the NLO I'm versed in that. 
3551If anybody else is planning to infiltrate LWU with me, let me know. That way we can cooperate and set up a Lazarene spy unit that way.
3552[11:39 PM] Ark: But more like a planned counter-coup?
3553[11:39 PM] Ark: Because we are pushing someone to coup so we can overthrow them
3554[11:40 PM] Ike: It ain't illegal
3555[11:40 PM] Ike: That's what counts
3556[11:40 PM] Ark: lol
3557[11:58 PM] Amerion: Just note the following:
3558[11:58 PM] Amerion: (2) High Treason shall be said to be committed when one fulfils any of the following conditions:
3559Attempting to lower the sitting Sovereign's endorsement count without the approval of the Cosmic Council.
3560Acting, alone or with others, to change the lawfully elected government of Lazarus as recognized by the Cosmic Council, by any means other than participation in a scheduled election and the discussions and campaigning preceding said election.
3561Violating a World's or Core World's fundamental rights as defined in The Celestial Mandate Act (Article 3, Section 3) while holding any position in Lazarus that requires confirmation or election by The Cosmic Council.[3
3562[11:58 PM] Ike: We understand this.
3563[11:58 PM] Amerion: Brb
3564[11:59 PM] Ike: We're doing pretty well on all of these, but for the sake of clarification let's talk about that first charge
3565[11:59 PM] Amerion: In cinema npw
3566[11:59 PM] Ike: Whether or not you wish to endorse Funk is entirely up to you
3567[11:59 PM] Vapid: Did you know that counterfeiting used to be high treason in many monarchies
3568[11:59 PM] Ike: I make no attempt to dissuade you from doing so, nor do I encourage it
3569[11:59 PM] Vapid: Since it was basically forging the royal signature
3570[11:59 PM] Vapid: Since all currency is issued in the king/queen's name
3571July 20, 2017
3572[12:00 AM] Ike: And on that note, the Queen doesn't require a passport
3573[12:00 AM] Ike: All of them are issued in her name
3574[12:03 AM] Vapid: I am a subject of the queen of Australia
3575[12:03 AM] Vapid: And Ike is a subject of the queen of Jamaica
3576[12:03 AM] Ike: You're Australian?
3577[12:03 AM] Ike: Oh fuck
3578[12:03 AM] Ike: No no
3579[12:04 AM] Ike: You're from
3580[12:04 AM] Ike: Like
3581[12:04 AM] Ike: Manitoba
3582[12:04 AM] Ike: Right
3583[12:04 AM] Vapid: Ontario(edited)
3584[12:04 AM] Vapid: GTA
3585[12:04 AM] Ike: Miss or the six?
3586[12:05 AM] Vapid: No, like Hamilton
3587[12:05 AM] Ike: Ah, you poor sod
3588[12:05 AM] Vapid: We were poor when we lived there
3589[12:05 AM] Vapid: So not much choice
3590[12:05 AM] Ike: Fair enough
3591[12:33 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): a bunch of the nation links in the petition dispatch are wrong :stuck_out_tongue:
3592[12:33 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): like Atlantica's
3593[12:34 AM] Ike: lel
3594[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): svez and ark's should prob be their laz, not tp nations
3595[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): as well as CoS
3596[12:34 AM] Ark: Mine is The Sunny Badlands, Svez' is The Rushian Kingdom
3597[12:36 AM] Ike: You're known better as Ark tho
3598[12:36 AM] Ark: True
3599[12:43 AM] Svezjacael: And I'm a bit more prolific as Svezjacael than I am RK. But I digress.
3600[12:49 AM] Ark: *pacific
3601[12:49 AM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
3602[12:50 AM] Svezjacael: -.-
3603[12:51 AM] Ark: :>
3604[1:25 AM] Omega: GP publicly and privately thinks we are close to an outright coup.
3605[1:28 AM] Doperland: Because we are.
3606[1:28 AM] Vapid: us couping or funk?
3607[1:28 AM] Doperland: Both.
3608[1:28 AM] Vapid: fair enough
3609[1:29 AM] Ark: lol
3610[1:30 AM] Vapid: Is it a coup if it's popularly supported though?
3611[1:30 AM] Vapid: I mean, 20 citizens
3612[1:30 AM] Doperland: Technically.... It'd be a revolution
3613[1:30 AM] Ark: ^^^
3614[1:30 AM] Vapid: History is written by the winners
3615[1:30 AM] Doperland: wink wink nudge nudge
3616[1:30 AM] Vapid: We call it a revolution
3617[1:30 AM] Vapid: funk would call it a coup
3618[1:31 AM] Doperland: Of course.
3619[1:31 AM] Doperland: But we will not fail.
3620[1:31 AM] Vapid: I suspect funk is depending on raiders to support him
3621[1:31 AM] Doperland: Likely.
3622[1:32 AM] Ark: Raiderdom is weaker in the summer.
3623[1:32 AM] Ark: And I bet they aren't anticipating NPO piler support.
3624[1:33 AM] Doperland: Honestly, I just want all this unpleasant business over.
3625[1:33 AM] Svezjacael: I have my article for our anonymous friend to post in the paper whenever we get it up. It's a nice little propaganda piece. Anybody want to read it and give me feedback?
3626[1:34 AM] Ark: I've just finished skimming it. I like it.
3627[1:34 AM] Vapid: I mean, I know that a lot of TBH folks don't like funk or lamb
3628[1:34 AM] Vapid: so they'd be hard stretched to find support from them
3629[1:34 AM] Doperland: A lot of folks don't like Funk.
3630[1:34 AM] Ark: Other than TBH, who really has a lot of pilers?
3631[1:34 AM] harmoneia: Imps
3632[1:35 AM] Vapid: KoGB when it tries, and TRE
3633[1:35 AM] Ark: I could potentially get The Roman Empire to pile us.
3634[1:35 AM] Ark: You have to remember, I was all but a founding member there :stuck_out_tongue:
3635[1:35 AM] Vapid: I was a citizen there for a while, but I just dicked around :stuck_out_tongue:
3636[1:36 AM] Ark: KoGB and Imps most likely won't be enough to rival Defendersphere and Pacific pilers
3637[1:36 AM] Vapid: KoGB probably won't either
3638[1:36 AM] harmoneia: If funk were half as smart as Wolf it'd be quite easy for him to coup. Endos too far from any of us, banject any incoming endorsees of opponents
3639[1:37 AM] Vapid: If TBH does, it'll be out of favor for wolf, tom, and scardino
3640[1:37 AM] Vapid: Not because of funk
3641[1:37 AM] Doperland: Honestly, I don't know if Funk wants to coup.
3642[1:37 AM] Ark: I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to pile simply because I'm here, tbh
3643[1:37 AM] Vapid: He doesn't
3644[1:38 AM] Vapid: no one really wants a coup
3645[1:38 AM] Vapid: we want different things than he
3646[1:38 AM] Doperland: Fair enough.
3647[1:40 AM] Omega: @Svezjacael I'd like to read it over
3648[1:40 AM] Omega: Also a lot more people expect a Funk coup than anything else.
3649[1:41 AM] Svezjacael: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GpNNwxA-2bY3gPCjbP50ShEFjcPs4prrJ7mNiwsWQcc/edit?usp=sharing
3650Google Docs
3651Article 1
3652It has been a long time since the dawning of the new Lazarus, one where we evicted the New Lazarene Order from the benches of our offices, and where we rallied around our sovereignty to embrace what Lazarus has always stood for - freedom. True, in fact, is the thought that because of the New Laza...
3653
3654[1:43 AM] Ark: @Omega good. We want people to think that.
3655[1:48 AM] Omega: That is brilliant Svez
3656[1:49 AM] Vapid: nice article
3657[1:49 AM] Ark: That's what I like to hear!
3658[1:49 AM] Vapid: I'd make an argument about certain tenets, but overall good.
3659[1:50 AM] Svezjacael: Well it's open to help if you want to tell me what you think needs adjusting.
3660[1:50 AM] Vapid: It's personal notes
3661[1:50 AM] Vapid: nothing big
3662[1:50 AM] Svezjacael: Ah. Okay. Factually it's correct though?
3663[1:50 AM] Vapid: As far as I know
3664[1:50 AM] Omega: Looks to be
3665[1:50 AM] Svezjacael: Good. It was going off what I'd gathered and wanted to make sure the facts were in check.
3666[1:51 AM] Ark: Solid.
3667[1:53 AM] Ark: So uh
3668[1:53 AM] Ark: Should I still have the Archbishop masking now? :stuck_out_tongue:
3669[1:54 AM] Svezjacael: In my eyes yes, because the only reason you were removed is because  Funk felt threatened by you and what you could do to stop his and Lamb's plans.
3670[1:54 AM] Ark: True.
3671[1:55 AM] Ark: Though one correction.
3672[1:55 AM] Vapid: At the same time, it's within funk's right to remove you
3673[1:55 AM] Ark: Funk felt threatened by me and what I will do to stop his and Lamb's plans.
3674[1:56 AM] Ark: And tbh, just because it's within your rights doesn't mean you won't catch shit for doing it :stuck_out_tongue:
3675[1:56 AM] Vapid: True, but I was making the point that perhaps remasking you now=not good idea
3676[1:57 AM] Ark: I was talking about in this server
3677[1:57 AM] Ark: Not that one
3678[1:57 AM] Ark: I'm not asking for my job back, lol
3679[1:58 AM] Ark: And I mean, it was within my rights as Archbishop to close every last embassy we have. Doesn't mean I would be able to get away with it :stuck_out_tongue:
3680[1:59 AM] Vapid: I'm big into the letter of the law, if you couldn't tell :stuck_out_tongue:
3681[1:59 AM] Ark: Indeed.
3682[1:59 AM] Ike: Calling it a 'rape' of the mandate is a bit strong and unneeded
3683[2:00 AM] Ark: @Svezjacael ^
3684[2:00 AM] Ike: I think the overall tone if this is much too strong for the present moment. Both vowing to put Funk on trial and opening with a condemnation of our move towards independentism
3685[2:00 AM] Ike: It sends the wrong message about us
3686[2:00 AM] Ark: Well I did ask for strong
3687[2:00 AM] Ike: But we can keep this up our sleeve if the situation escalates
3688[2:00 AM] Ark: But maybe not that strong
3689[2:00 AM] Ark: But yeah
3690[2:00 AM] Ark: Definitely keep it
3691[2:01 AM] Svezjacael: Fair enough. I just started in the regular strength of propaganda I'm used to. I'll definitely keep it for if we need something a bit stronger than a Busweiser.
3692[2:01 AM] Ike: It's well written, but better to save right now
3693[2:01 AM] Ark: It's more like a bastardization of the Mandate anyways :stuck_out_tongue:
3694[2:01 AM] Ark: Let's try for a more hopeful type of strength theme
3695[2:02 AM] Svezjacael: Alrighty. I'll get on that in the morning. But I might get some sleep before then. Or not, I never sleep after all.
3696[2:02 AM] Ark: Thank you for the hard work, Svez.
3697[2:02 AM] Svezjacael: No prob, anything to keep Lazarus how it should be.
3698[2:03 AM] Ark: o>
3699[2:03 AM] Ike: o/
3700[2:34 AM] Amerion: Any update?
3701[2:34 AM] Ike: No
3702[2:34 AM] Ike: But let me ask you something
3703[2:35 AM] Ike: You've watched Star Wars, right?
3704[2:35 AM] Amerion: Ya
3705[2:35 AM] Ike: Tell me
3706[2:35 AM] Ike: What color are C-3PO's legs?
3707[2:35 AM] Amerion: Gold?
3708[2:35 AM] Ike: Did you ever notice his silver leg?
3709[2:35 AM] Amerion: .... Really?
3710[2:35 AM] Ike: It will flip your world upside down.
3711[2:42 AM] Amerion: :scream: :scream: :scream:
3712[2:49 AM] Seraph: I actually already knew that, and yet was still surprised when I was reminded about it in a featurette I watched last week.
3713[5:44 AM] Curious Observations: If a two stage election model for the Delegate is used, then R/Ders can still (usually) get a voice because they only need to transfer their WA when the poll ends, not for the duration. Roavin said somewhere in my thread that he is just taking the time to stay WA locked for the duration of the vote because of influence gathering or such.
3714[5:46 AM] Curious Observations: Now, in the case of a coup, remember that pilers are useless in a liberation. Active updaters will be needed.
3715[6:07 AM] Curious Observations: The propaganda piece is very, very good, but I agree that the independence aspect requires revision
3716[6:59 AM] Amerion: I'm not sure how to link to a specific NSF post but you should see Cormac's first post in the TLG thread:
3717[7:00 AM] Amerion: [Cormac]: It's beyond time for Funkadelia to do what is necessary to preserve the sovereignty of Lazarus. I am available to provide advice and assistance.
3718[7:58 AM] Seraph: I'm so glad he left TSP (again, again)
3719[7:59 AM] Amerion: He was the main reason I didn't go to TSP
3720[7:59 AM] Amerion: I suspect he climaxes with every mention of his name
3721[8:20 AM] Seraph: Wow... That's an image right there. Thanks for that...
3722[9:01 AM] thechurchofsatan: Since Funk has no problem utilizing his own voting bloc, why not fight fire with fire? I mean, we have 20 citizens standing against their corruption. Let's take advantage of that to balance the scales.
3723[9:13 AM] thechurchofsatan: We could remove EW and lamb as guardians which would reduce Funk's likelihood of a coup.
3724[9:17 AM] thechurchofsatan: Maybe even bring this to a peaceful resolution.
3725[9:41 AM] Vapid: ^
3726[10:36 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): They have at least 20 citizens too :stuck_out_tongue:
3727[10:36 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so don't get your hopes up
3728[10:49 AM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) I think it's advisable to have a test run of our vote strength. If we do a vote on the recalls, we can ascertain how a future delegate vote will unfold.
3729[10:50 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): mhm
3730[11:07 AM] Ark: Anyone have a link to the updated citizenry chart that Somy made?
3731[11:07 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yjU_vVpU-Y-UtJC0DHiC1EkyLR3K-SQ3sxnV7t1W968/edit?usp=sharing
3732Google Docs
3733Affiliations
3734Sheet1 Union, Wolf, Neutral, Non-Voting, Only, Leaning Neutral, All Neutral, Voting Closes:, 7/ 12 18: 14, 7/ 14 23: 05, 7/ 15 9: 16, 7/ 16 15: 54,* Sheet must be edited for time to display correctly. Amerion, Funkadelia, Alunya, Capercom, Union, 20, 21, 26,* Time Until Closing:,- 172: 02: 51,...
3735
3736[11:08 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th is DMing me
3737[11:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He's asking about getting in contact with XKI in case of a coup
3738[11:09 AM] Amerion: Hmm
3739[11:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th - Today at 11:04 AM
3740I dont like the flood of LWUers but we need to have trust in funk and lamb for the time being
3741[11:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th - Today at 11:05 AM
3742ill be figuring out where i stand sson enough, and it may change whats happening and what we knowdrastically
3743Somyrion - Today at 11:05 AM
3744hm
3745what do you mean?
3746The13th - Today at 11:06 AM
3747hey i have to go take a shower sorry gtg
3748its kind of scretive...
3749i agree with the thing that ike posted on the forums
3750im on your side but i am still not sure if there is really a coup going on
3751[11:10 AM] Ark: Tell him that we have that covered.
3752[11:11 AM] Curious Observations: 
3753
3754[11:11 AM] Ark: >_>
3755[11:11 AM] Ark: That's not good.
3756[11:12 AM] Curious Observations: I am considering whether or not I should post this on the NS Gameplay forum.
3757[11:13 AM] Amerion: If there's a pattern, with additional nations doing this, then it would be a significant post
3758[11:13 AM] Ark: I don't know who Danaptin is
3759[11:14 AM] Ark: But yeah, if there are a lot of nations moving to Laz and endoing the LWUers but not ALL the guardians, make a post about it @Curious Observations
3760[11:15 AM] Curious Observations: I posted this nation for now. I will check later if there are more.
3761[11:20 AM] Ark: Alright.
3762[12:04 PM] Amerion: @Ark Perg is every bit as astute as you praised him as being
3763[12:05 PM] Ark: That's good.
3764[12:05 PM] Amerion: In any case, he's quite certain Funk will coup
3765[12:05 PM] Seraph: :(
3766[12:06 PM] Ark: It's looking like he's preparing to, anyway.
3767[12:06 PM] Ark: 
3768
3769[12:06 PM] Ark: @Seraph
3770[12:06 PM] Ark: He's importing WAs now too
3771[12:06 PM] Amerion: Our WA game needs to be stronger
3772[12:06 PM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia)
3773[12:06 PM] Ark: We have three guardians + the DOTR on our side.
3774[12:06 PM] Ark: If we pile the shit out of them, we may have a chance.
3775[12:06 PM] Amerion: He's apparently got the raidersphere
3776[12:06 PM] Seraph: I can switch WA from tomorrow most likely.
3777[12:07 PM] Ark: But I think cross endoing for the pilers is a not bad idea
3778[12:07 PM] Seraph: Although it will be sad to say goodbye to all the endos I've amassed in the last week.
3779[12:07 PM] Ark: Helps us boost influence so funk can't ban pilers Willy nilly
3780[12:07 PM] harmoneia: apparently Cormac resigned an hour before
3781[12:07 PM] harmoneia: lol
3782[12:07 PM] Ark: Hour before what
3783[12:08 PM] harmoneia: before that Danaptin got admitted to WA
3784[12:08 PM] Ark: Ah.
3785[12:08 PM] Ark: I swear if that's Cormac
3786[12:08 PM] Amerion: @harmoneia We ... Might have to shut him out of admin if it gets to it
3787[12:08 PM] Ark: We have to keep the forums a neutral ground no matter what.
3788[12:09 PM] harmoneia: No, he holds the email account for the root.,
3789[12:09 PM] harmoneia: just back up the documents(edited)
3790[12:09 PM] Ark: Ah.
3791[12:10 PM] Ark: Is there any reason we can't start doing that now
3792[12:10 PM] Amerion: We might have to preemptively make a move then
3793[12:14 PM] Ark: I'd rather not. Then we become the coupers.
3794[12:15 PM] Ark: We have to at least wait for solid proof of a coup in the planning stages before we can move.
3795[12:15 PM] Pherttsylvania: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) thank you for putting together that spreadsheet
3796[12:21 PM] Ark: Have we managed to recruit any more people?
3797[12:40 PM] Omega: This is coming to a vote soon: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10254118/4/#new
3798[12:41 PM] Ark: We have to shoot it down.
3799[12:43 PM] Omega: I know
3800[12:44 PM] Omega: I'm up to top 25 on endos!
3801[12:46 PM] Ark: :thumbsup:
3802[12:47 PM] Ark: I'm currently 14th in the region
3803[1:11 PM] harmoneia: Well, if it pushes through. Insist that in democracies, amendments never apply after the passage of the law. As in, no back-tracking of laws are allowed. It's a basic legal principle. :stuck_out_tongue:
3804[1:11 PM] Ark: Fair enough
3805[1:12 PM] Ark: But I'm not sure how the CB'a confirmation actually works
3806[1:12 PM] Ark: Like if he hasn't confirmed him, is there a way to deny him? Or is it just leaving him unconfirmed
3807[1:15 PM] harmoneia: Nothing, it's obviously a loophole in the law and to be honest, their interpretation is probably the correct one
3808[1:15 PM] harmoneia: Or the more plausible one
3809[1:15 PM] harmoneia: But we work with what we have :stuck_out_tongue:
3810[1:17 PM] Omega: @Svezjacael ping us when you start the vote.
3811[1:20 PM] Ark: Fair enough @harmoneia
3812[1:33 PM] harmoneia: Cormac thinks my nation in TRR would be an improvement for Lazarene sovereignty
3813[1:33 PM] harmoneia: cute
3814[1:36 PM] Ark: Wow.
3815[1:36 PM] Omega: We need to get GP off of this whole Cormac vs. the world about Francoism/NPO argument and back to talking about Laz.
3816[1:36 PM] Omega: Also where is that?
3817[1:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): in the forum thread
3818[1:44 PM] Omega: Hey also I was thinking, we should look to recall EW from his guardian position.(edited)
3819[1:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll switch my WA in the afternoon given the TSP elections are all but decided :stuck_out_tongue:
3820[1:45 PM] Omega: Yeah DM took quite the lead late in the election.
3821[1:51 PM] Ark: Interesting.
3822[1:51 PM] Ark: @harmoneia also Cormac thinks he knows francoism better than the NPO. He's off his rocker lately tbh
3823[1:53 PM] Omega: Yeah that was funny.
3824[1:55 PM] Ark: For me it was both funny and annoying. I'm not even one NS year old and I know francoism better than he does :joy:
3825[1:55 PM] Omega: I have avoided NSGP so much I don't really know Francoism, I just know Cormac doesn't know it.
3826[2:08 PM] Ark: Very few modern day NSers understand original or current Francoism, and even fewer understand both.
3827[2:54 PM] Ark: @here progress report.
3828I know articles are being written. 
3829Have we made any progress as far as voter recruitment goes?
3830[2:54 PM] Doperland: Has anyone talked to C.S. Colbert?
3831[2:55 PM] Ark: No, I haven't even seen him post once here.
3832[2:55 PM] Ark: Oh wait is he even in this server?
3833[2:55 PM] Ark: @Ike get him in here fam
3834[2:57 PM] Ike: hey
3835[2:57 PM] Ike: hey
3836[2:57 PM] Ike: I'm here
3837[2:57 PM] Omega: Wait why do we want him?
3838[2:58 PM] Ike: I've been watching the parole hearing
3839[2:58 PM] Ike: What did I miss
3840[2:58 PM] Ike: Is Cormac getting into an argument over Francoist doctrine
3841[2:58 PM] Ark: Of course he is
3842[2:58 PM] Ark: He's also called several people Userites in the last couple of days
3843[2:59 PM] Ark: Is anyone else getting the sense that LWU is eerily quiet right now?
3844[2:59 PM] Ark: Like, planning-their-coup kind of quiet.
3845[3:00 PM] Omega: Dumb question: what is a userite?
3846[3:00 PM] Ike: Well
3847[3:00 PM] Ike: The general idea is that a userite is someone who advances the interests of other regions, or himself, in a GCR
3848[3:00 PM] Ark: From francoist ideology: a nations that seeks to manipulate GCRs for their own gain
3849[3:00 PM] Ark: Yeah
3850[3:00 PM] Ike: As opposed to a feederite, who is dedicated to the region and the region only
3851[3:01 PM] Ark: And/or the betterment of GCRs as a whole
3852[3:01 PM] Ike: I think we should consider a recall effort against KK
3853[3:01 PM] Ark: Not a bad idea.
3854[3:01 PM] Ike: On the basis that he is illegally trying to occupy the office of Prelate
3855[3:01 PM] Ike: And is not trustworthy to hold up Lazarene sovereignty
3856[3:01 PM] Ark: ^
3857[3:01 PM] Ark: But seriously
3858[3:02 PM] Ark: Is it just me or does this feel vaguely like a calm before a storm :stuck_out_tongue:
3859[3:02 PM] Ike: It is, certainly
3860[3:02 PM] Doperland: It does. It is really quiet
3861[3:02 PM] Ike: The last three days have been a rapid buildup of tension, but only tension
3862[3:03 PM] Ike: It's going to boil over soon
3863[3:03 PM] Ark: My guess
3864[3:03 PM] Ark: Funk is currently measuring whether or not couping is worth it.
3865[3:03 PM] Ark: And I'm willing to bet, just like everyone else does, he's gonna decide that it is. :stuck_out_tongue:
3866[3:04 PM] Ike: I don't know if Cormac drumming up coup support in GP is enough to convince Funk that it's worth it
3867[3:04 PM] Ike: Very few people are actually backing him right now
3868[3:04 PM] Ark: I've heard more than just Cormac backing a coup on his part
3869[3:05 PM] Ike: Hm?
3870[3:05 PM] Ark: Some friends have poked me that other Raider leaders are supporting a Funk coup.
3871[3:06 PM] Ark: And tbh
3872[3:06 PM] Ark: Cormac has a natural tendency to talk about coups right before they happen :stuck_out_tongue:
3873[3:07 PM] Ike: Nothing they can try that we can't try to. Are there any raider/independent groups that we think we should solicit the support of?
3874[3:07 PM] Ike: It seems to be only LWU and maybe some Hawks that would be backing this
3875[3:07 PM] Ike: Everyone else is open season
3876[3:07 PM] Ark: The Roman Empire may be on our side if I can convince Fest and Kleo
3877[3:07 PM] Ike: Do it
3878[3:08 PM] Ike: And bring me in if you need backup
3879[3:08 PM] Ike: They're cunts sometimes but they're not stupid
3880[3:08 PM] Ike: TRE support would mean everything
3881[3:08 PM] Ike: And hell, if it does anything for Fest, ring up Leah for once :stuck_out_tongue:
3882[3:09 PM] Ark: lol
3883[3:10 PM] Ark: I think Wintercrest will support us.
3884[3:10 PM] Ike: Good
3885[3:10 PM] Ike: Hey could you do me a favor and find the DefenderCon or whatever OP?
3886[3:10 PM] Ike: I'm trawling the CO thread rn
3887[3:11 PM] Ark: Wha
3888[3:11 PM] Ark: DefenderCon?
3889[3:11 PM] Ike: Yeah the thing TSP is doing, I forget the name
3890[3:11 PM] Ike: Their own version of raidercon
3891[3:11 PM] Kanglia: Hold up
3892[3:11 PM] Ark: I didn't even know that was a thing lol
3893[3:11 PM] Ike: lel
3894[3:11 PM] Kanglia: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=418892
3895[3:11 PM] Ike: thanks mate!
3896[3:11 PM] Kanglia: No problem!
3897[3:11 PM] Ike: Let's take a look at some of the organizations listed here
3898[3:12 PM] Ike: See if we can get their support
3899[3:12 PM] Ike: @thechurchofsatan Think we can get an RRA commitment?
3900[3:12 PM] Kanglia: Sure you can. SPSF is very likely to help, just off of Roavin & Viet being so high up
3901[3:13 PM] Ike: Indeed
3902[3:13 PM] Kanglia: You'll get as many people as I can muster from my groups
3903[3:13 PM] Ike: Do we have any contacts in the RIA?
3904[3:13 PM] Kanglia: & probably some that get drafted if need be.
3905Shiz
3906[3:13 PM] Kanglia: I can see if Shiz can get more people, I know he'll be in for it, and likely all of LibCord will be involved in helping
3907[3:14 PM] Ike: That would be fantastic
3908[3:14 PM] Ike: Do everything you can
3909[3:14 PM] Kanglia: Yep, it won't have to be much more than likely, everybody in LibCord knows about it & also dislikes Funk(shocker) & are therefore pretty likely to help
3910[3:15 PM] Ark: Good.
3911[3:15 PM] Kanglia: It'll just be a thing that they'll need to know when everything is gonna go down. But I'll get everybody I can
3912[3:15 PM] Ark: Not to mention they are at least somewhat obligated as defenders to help :stuck_out_tongue:
3913[3:15 PM] Kanglia: "defenders" TGW is up for raiders of the year yanno :stuck_out_tongue:
3914[3:16 PM] Ark: LOL
3915[3:16 PM] Ark: if I can't get TRE to pile on us, I'm at least going to try to convince them not to pile on Funkadelia.
3916[3:16 PM] Ike: Fair enough
3917[3:17 PM] Ark: I'm really praying that TWP won't butt in. >_>
3918[3:17 PM] Ark: unless it's to pile on us
3919[3:17 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
3920[3:18 PM] Ike: Who knows Badger the best out of all of us here?
3921[3:18 PM] Ark: I just decided to ask Yuno lol
3922[3:18 PM] Ike: Even if he's part of the wave, we might be able to get a thing or two out of him.
3923[3:18 PM] Ike: Yeah that's good
3924[3:19 PM] Ark: I asked her how likely it is that TWPAF will pile on Funk
3925[3:19 PM] Ark: And I'll go from there.
3926[3:19 PM] Kanglia: Yuno doesn't run as much if at all with TWPAF anymore iirc, she's helping run SPSF
3927[3:19 PM] Ark: If we get TWP, then we probably get all their allies.
3928[3:19 PM] Ike: TWP is quite important
3929[3:20 PM] Ike: Can you get Yuno to talk to Badger?
3930[3:20 PM] Ark: Yeah I know @Kanglia, I'm more asking because she knows Badger really well
3931[3:20 PM] Ark: I'll try
3932[3:20 PM] Kanglia: Ahhh, makes sense
3933[3:20 PM] Ark: If we get TWP to at least stay out of it, that means Equilism and Euro will probably follow suit.
3934[3:21 PM] Ike: Hell, we might even be able to approach Euro for support
3935[3:21 PM] Kanglia: Mmmm that might be a tiny bit of a stretch.
3936[3:21 PM] Ark: I know WL pretty well. I'll see what his thoughts are.
3937[3:21 PM] Ark: Euro is supposedly independent :^)
3938[3:21 PM] Ike: Hey, think you can get me unbanned from there while you're at it? :stuck_out_tongue:
3939[3:22 PM] Ark: lol
3940[3:22 PM] Kanglia: "independent" ha
3941[3:22 PM] Doperland: Oh, so Lamb has now passed everyone except Funk in endorsements. He's at 189.
3942[3:22 PM] Ark: This is their chance to prove it.
3943[3:22 PM] Ark: Damn.
3944[3:23 PM] Ark: Any evidence of him importing WAs?
3945[3:23 PM] Ike: Someone get me a check if the mandate forbids telling people to unendorse Guardians?
3946[3:23 PM] Ark: Didn't we check that yesterday or this morning or something
3947[3:23 PM] Ike: I know it's illegal for the Delegate
3948[3:28 PM] Ike: Anyone have TITO ties we can use?
3949[3:29 PM] Kanglia: I'm kind of friends with Kortexia, There's some TITO in Libcord, they might be with us
3950[3:29 PM] Ike: Roavin's pointing me to Libcord
3951[3:30 PM] Ike: We already have Kort on our side, i think
3952[3:30 PM] Kanglia: Yeah, I'm talking to RD & the other commanders there atm, but if you get Kort, you can likely get a lot of TITO
3953[3:31 PM] Ike: Kort said he's press the issue with his command
3954[3:31 PM] Ike: I'll check up on that
3955[3:31 PM] Kanglia: Sounds good.
3956[3:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): remember badger is inner wolf circle :stuck_out_tongue:
3957[3:39 PM] Ike: He's involved with LWU?
3958[3:40 PM] Ark: Holy shit
3959[3:40 PM] Ark: Check the Laz RMB
3960[3:40 PM] Ike: My fucking god
3961[3:40 PM] Ike: A wildcat
3962[3:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike yes
3963[3:41 PM] Ark: He's telling people to unendo Funk and the guardians >_>(edited)
3964[3:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): or at least, close friends with Lamb
3965[3:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): awhat
3966[3:41 PM] Ark: The Laz RMB
3967[3:41 PM] Ark: Last message
3968[3:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): reading now
3969[3:42 PM] Ark: He's demanding that Funk and the "opposition" both be unendorsed
3970[3:43 PM] Ike: the hell is this
3971[3:43 PM] Ark: I don't even know....
3972[3:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): erm
3973[3:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): can we please tell the randos from TP to shut the hell up
3974[3:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
3975[3:44 PM] Ark: I mean
3976[3:44 PM] Ark: I can ask Pergamon to ban him :stuck_out_tongue:
3977[3:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean at this point they're basically shooting us and not Funk :stuck_out_tongue:
3978[3:45 PM] Ark: Well
3979[3:45 PM] Ark: They coded in funk's nation
3980[3:45 PM] Ark: But not any of ours
3981[3:46 PM] Ark: So could be worse :stuck_out_tongue:
3982[3:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): true
3983[3:47 PM] Curious Observations: Fascinating.
3984[3:47 PM] Ike: Indeed
3985[3:49 PM] Kanglia: Holy shit
3986[3:49 PM] Ike: Maybe the line about unendorsing the opposition was to undermine any potential claim by the regime that we're breaking the law by conspiring to lower the endo count of the Delegate
3987[3:49 PM] Ike: A bit of a necessary failsafe
3988[3:50 PM] Kanglia: Possibly
3989[3:50 PM] Ark: Maybe.
3990[3:51 PM] Ark: That would explain why he was specific about Funkadelia and vague about the "opposition"
3991[4:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): is Irene/Aguero/Caldariat on our side?
3992[4:33 PM] Ike: I don't think anyone's talked to him
3993[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We should
3994[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): she's a longtimer
3995[4:34 PM] Atlantica: I don't know if anyone's noticed this, and it's probably nothing, but while looking for the list of nations to endorse and tart I noticed (in Eluvatar's WFE Index) that the link of nations to endorse was removed on April 24th, the same update where the CULT winners are announced. I don't know if Funkadelia did this, but I think that it's worth bringing up just in case it turns out to be important.
3996[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
3997[4:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): funk may have removed it to make space(edited)
3998[4:53 PM] Ike: Anything we can do at this point to move things along? Legislation? Recall efforts?
3999[4:53 PM] Ike: We might be able to test the waters of our voting power with a token recall of KK or Lamb as guardian
4000[4:54 PM] Ark: I'm not even sure which would be harder
4001[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): let's get Caldariat, Trackeendy, and
4002[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Alunya
4003[4:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): if we can
4004[4:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Old World Loyalists if he's still active
4005[4:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): SatanLord, Unified Wakanda
4006[4:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th, Loftegen
4007[4:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): these are the people we need to target
4008[4:56 PM] Ark: Good idea. @Kanglia and whoever else is on Recruitment ^
4009[4:56 PM] Ark: @Kanglia
4010[4:56 PM] Kanglia: 10-4
4011[4:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what about escade? is she even participating at all?
4012[4:57 PM] Ark: I don't really know yet.
4013[4:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): +dyr and izon
4014[4:57 PM] Ike: We can probably get Escade
4015[4:57 PM] Ike: And apparently The13th is a sympathizer with reservations
4016[4:57 PM] Ike: Trackeendy would be greatly useful, someone get in contact with him
4017[4:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can
4018[4:58 PM] Ark: Trackeendy annoys me a tad but agreed
4019[4:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): why? :stuck_out_tongue:
4020[4:58 PM] Ike: he's useful :stuck_out_tongue:
4021[4:58 PM] Ark: Like I said, "Agreed"
4022[5:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 30 minutes ago: The Divine Chief-King of Mundunugu departed this region for Kiwa.
402331 minutes ago: The Divine Chief-King of Mundunugu was refounded.
4024[5:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's lamb
4025[5:17 PM] Ike: Hm
4026[5:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so he's online and just ignoring laz
4027[5:18 PM] Ike: Alright
4028[5:19 PM] Ike: Let's put our thinking caps on here
4029[5:19 PM] Ike: Of all the legislative actions we can take that will benefit our cause
4030[5:19 PM] Ike: What can we do right now that will be the easiest to pass, and get the most support?
4031[5:21 PM] Ike: @here
4032[5:25 PM] Ark: Not sure. Delegate Election vote is still high priority to me.
4033[5:25 PM] Ike: Yeah, but that's weeks away
4034[5:25 PM] Ike: We're looking for the now
4035[5:26 PM] Ark: The elections are, but not the proposal to make them gameside. >_>
4036[5:26 PM] Ark: And I still think that's one of the few ways we can even the playing field.
4037[5:26 PM] Ike: Alright
4038[5:26 PM] Ike: Let's go over this then
4039[5:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): remove Lamb?
4040[5:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): recruit, really
4041[5:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I've DMed Track
4042[5:27 PM] Ark: Remove lamb and EW will be a bitch.
4043[5:27 PM] Ark: If I had to pick one I'd say Lamb, but still
4044[5:27 PM] Ike: What kind of bitch?\
4045[5:27 PM] Ark: The annoyingly difficult kind. >_>
4046[5:27 PM] Ike: Luckily, he doesn't have any kind of position of power right now under the law aside from guardian :wink:
4047[5:28 PM] Ark: Yeah
4048[5:28 PM] Ike: But at the same time, KK has more influence than Lamb
4049[5:28 PM] Ike: So if he's removed as guardian, what does that mean compared to if we did Lamb?
4050[5:29 PM] Ark: Removing KK will be incredibly difficult. He's a four-time Delegate.
4051[5:29 PM] Ark: But if we do, then we need to force down his endos.
4052[5:29 PM] Ike: True, Lamb is much less publicly respected/trusted
4053[5:29 PM] Ark: Or even force him to drop WA
4054[5:30 PM] Ark: That would neutralize his in-game Influence.
4055[5:30 PM] Wintermoot: How about focusing on cultural instead of legislative stuff? Build some goodwill with neutrals and show us building a region (unlike the other side).
4056[5:30 PM] Ark: We have @Atlantica working that front.
4057[5:30 PM] Ike: ^
4058[5:30 PM] Ike: We're good on culture
4059[5:30 PM] Ike: We're the single most active bloc of players right now
4060[5:31 PM] Ark: Mhm.
4061[5:32 PM] Wintermoot: It's something everyone should be involved in to some extent.
4062[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): That's what I'm trying to do on the RMB
4063[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): others should too
4064[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We need to do two things right now:
4065[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): - Recruitment
4066[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): - Culture, region-building
4067[5:32 PM] Ike: Is Courlany on Discord?
4068[5:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no
4069[5:32 PM] Wintermoot: Agreed
4070[5:32 PM] Ike: He has a shit ton of influence
4071[5:33 PM] Ike: If we got him here he'd be very useful
4072[5:33 PM] Ike: I'm gonna try and recruit him
4073[5:33 PM] Ark: We need to do those things, but they're not first priority right now imho.
4074[5:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike please TG him
4075[5:33 PM] Wintermoot: What is higher priority right at the moment?
4076[5:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ark, yes they are.
4077[5:33 PM] Ike: On it
4078[5:35 PM] Ark: Higher priority? Preparing for Funk to coup. Continuing being a thorn in his side. Drafting legislation NOW so we can put it out later when we need it.
4079[5:35 PM] Ike: 
4080
4081[5:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We can't do anything with legislation if we don't have numbers
4082[5:35 PM] Ike: ^ this good?
4083[5:35 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) We should at least test our numbers and see if we have any legislative clout in the face of the votebots
4084[5:35 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): looks good
4085[5:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): true
4086[5:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we seem to have around 1 vote lead
4087[5:36 PM] Wintermoot: Prepare, sure, but focusing on the people will be better than focusing on Funk
4088[5:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
4089[5:36 PM] Ark: You make it sound like it's difficult.
4090[5:36 PM] Ark: Just post on the RMB and Discord, and get involved with Atl's RP.
4091[5:36 PM] Ark: I put the more difficult tasks as first priority.
4092[5:37 PM] Wintermoot: lol, if it were that easy every region would be booming withi activity
4093[5:37 PM] Ark: Right now? It not that difficult to present the view that we are the active bloc.
4094[5:37 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
4095[5:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what's the word on loftegen?
4096[5:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not just the view, the actual thing :stuck_out_tongue:
4097[5:37 PM] Ike: Have we reached out to him?
4098[5:38 PM] Ark: I haven't.
4099[5:38 PM] Ark: That's more a recruitment thing.
4100[5:38 PM] Ark: And we can tackle multiple things at once, people.
4101[5:38 PM] Ike: Do you think it's a good idea to ask for endos on the RMB, or is that too direct?
4102[5:39 PM] Ike: Like "hey I'm trying to get my influence up, endo pls"
4103[5:39 PM] Ark: Ike and I and Somy can tackle legislation, one thing at a time. Wintermoot, if you want to help, then talk to Atlántica and Svez about fostering goodwill and activity.
4104[5:39 PM] Ark: @Ike it might look kinda lame but not illegal :stuck_out_tongue:
4105[5:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I just said "lots of endorsements \o/" to let people know I was in the WA :stuck_out_tongue:
4106[5:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike's good with recruitment, he should help with that too
4107[5:40 PM] Ike: I've still got Amerion's stamps
4108[5:42 PM] Ark: Don't use them yet.
4109[5:43 PM] Ark: @Ike the stamps should be saved for the elections if we can make them go gameside voting.
4110[5:43 PM] Ike: good point
4111[5:43 PM] Ark: And
4112[5:43 PM] Ark: If funk coups
4113[5:43 PM] Ark: We will need those stamps.
4114[5:43 PM] Ark: To run unendorsement campaigns against him.
4115[5:44 PM] Ike: Indeed
4116[5:44 PM] Wintermoot: I gotta go, but I want to reiterate something...we need to be for something as much as we need to be against Funk. I'm thinking of some things we can do on the forums and I'll try to get something going this weekend, but I hope everyone will also lead here. Shouldn't just be left to a few people.
4117[5:44 PM] Wintermoot: In any case, cyall xD
4118[5:45 PM] Ark: o/
4119[5:46 PM] Curious Observations: A guardian recall of Killer Kitty is very, very unlikely to pass, given how long he has been in Lazarus.
4120[5:46 PM] Ike: indeed
4121[5:47 PM] Curious Observations: Furthermore, a Guardian recall in general will be hard. There will be the expectation that reasons are presented why an individual shall no longer be permitted to hold high endorsement high influence nations.
4122[5:47 PM] Curious Observations: The argument "Lamb is a cuck" (worded better, of course) won't fly.(edited)
4123[5:48 PM] Ark: Indeed.
4124[5:48 PM] Ike: I have a better one
4125[5:48 PM] Ike: "Lamb is a cucc"
4126[5:48 PM] Curious Observations: Loftegen was pushed out because Funkadelia was able to make the case that Loftegen abused his powers as Guardian.
4127[5:48 PM] Ike: That's because he kinda did
4128[5:48 PM] Ark: ^
4129[5:49 PM] Curious Observations: I acknowledge that temporarily promoting the "Kekistani Republic of Lazarus" for a few hours was not the smoothest possible move but in no way was it reminiscent of an actual coup or the region put into any sort of danger.
4130[5:50 PM] Curious Observations: Consider also that Loftegen has always, even during PRL times, been a thorn in the side of those in the Delegacy because he is a very effective tarter.
4131[5:50 PM] Ark: Sounds like he may be useful then.
4132[5:50 PM] Ark: Inb4 this is Loftegen(edited)
4133[5:50 PM] Ike: Jesus, never thought we'd be wanting Loft back
4134[5:51 PM] Ike: This is like that part in Thor when Loki gloats how they're all crawling back to him
4135[5:51 PM] Ark: lol
4136[5:51 PM] Curious Observations: Roavin made a good point the other day - it was irresponsible from a security standpoint to remove Loftegen as Guardian. As the best tarter, he is sure to hold the high influence and high endorsement count expected of a Guardian, and keeps the Delegate on their toes to tart enough as well.
4137[5:52 PM] Ark: Indeed.
4138[5:52 PM] Curious Observations: Also, "Indeed." is a common phrase in this chat. :laughing:
4139[5:52 PM] Ark: Glad to see you're actively contributing to the discussion here, btw
4140[5:52 PM] Ike: Forsooth!
4141[5:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I really want Alunya for Guardian :stuck_out_tongue:
4142[5:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "Agreed" is mine
4143[5:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): or "very true"
4144[5:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): mostly "mhm"
4145[5:53 PM] Ike: Sometimes I say Aye
4146[5:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Aye, I use that way too much :p
4147[5:53 PM] Curious Observations: Ark, I check in occasionally and spout a few words of faux wisdom, but really it is you all here that are doing the thinking and some very incredible work.
4148[5:54 PM] Ark: Much appreciated. Though your thread has done a lot for the movement.
4149[5:55 PM] Curious Observations: It riled up Cormac. I'm not sure if that's positive. :weary:
4150[5:55 PM] Ark: Basically pushed it into the limelight.
4151[5:55 PM] Ark: lol
4152[5:55 PM] Ark: Well
4153[5:55 PM] Ark: It's helping now.
4154[5:55 PM] Ike: Always a positive.
4155[5:55 PM] Ark: Cormac is pushing funk to coup
4156[5:56 PM] Curious Observations: A coup will be a very, very difficult fight.
4157[5:57 PM] Ark: Not as difficult as fighting the legal system.
4158[5:58 PM] Curious Observations: Roavin says he has a few tricks up his sleeve, but he has never fought a GCR coup. Those are a bit different and bigger than the normal liberations he runs.
4159[5:58 PM] Curious Observations: Besides, Roavin tends to be a romantic optimist anyway.
4160[5:59 PM] Curious Observations: What I mean to say is that his gung-ho approach should be taken with a grain of salt.
4161[6:10 PM] Ike: Which is why we need as much support as possible.
4162[6:10 PM] Ike: Anyone talked to TNP at all lately? NPA is a pretty solid force
4163[6:13 PM] Ark: So they say :stuck_out_tongue:
4164[6:13 PM] Ike: They sure made a difference in December
4165[6:13 PM] Ark: And I haven't. Because tbh if I ask they'll probably pile on funk
4166[6:13 PM] Ark: lol
4167[6:13 PM] Ike: You think?
4168[6:14 PM] Ark: It was an exaggeration, but they sure as hell aren't fans of mine.
4169[6:23 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Track says he's concerned but likes Funk.
4170[6:23 PM] Ike: Have you shown him the clear evidence? The part with the electoral fraud?
4171[6:23 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): which evidence?
4172[6:23 PM] Ike: The illegal confirmation of KK
4173[6:24 PM] Svezjacael: I have had an infiltrator in TNP for a while, but it's gone inactive. I could work on rebirthing it and asking about its involvement if needed.
4174[6:24 PM] Ike: Isn't that unnecessarily shady? We could just ask outright unless there's a reason to go covert
4175[6:25 PM] Svezjacael: I'm only suggesting it because it has TNP ties currently, albeit old and defunct.
4176[6:57 PM] Ark: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the less covert ops involved here, the better.
4177[6:57 PM] Ike: Indeed
4178[6:57 PM] Ike: We're keeping this quick and clean
4179[6:58 PM] Ark: Too much to remember, tbh. D:
4180[6:58 PM] Ark: @Ike kinky.
4181[6:58 PM] Ike: >.>
4182[7:01 PM] Omega: Do we expect Atlantica to be removed from the Cabinet?
4183[7:01 PM] Ark: Not until he gets as mean as I was.
4184[7:01 PM] Ike: I wouldn't expect it at this point
4185[7:01 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
4186[7:01 PM] Ark: ^
4187[7:01 PM] Ark: I hurt funk's feelings obviously.
4188[7:01 PM] Ike: And it's best if he doesn't resign, or else it's obstruction for the sake of obstruction. We need to present ourselves as legitimate
4189[7:01 PM] Ark: Yeah
4190[7:02 PM] Ike: Accomplishing things in the role of Culture minister proves our dedication
4191[7:02 PM] Omega: I agree
4192[7:02 PM] Omega: What could culture do?
4193[7:02 PM] Ike: Mostly organizing roleplays, creating lore
4194[7:05 PM] Ark: If we actually have a 1 vote lead on funk, then we need to widen the gap.
4195[7:09 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) Did you factor Vapid into the chart?
4196[7:09 PM] Ark: And Svez ^
4197[7:12 PM] Ark: Also @Svezjacael make sure to ping everyone here when you put something up to vote. That way we can get the jump on the others.
4198[7:12 PM] Svezjacael: Aah. Understood, can and will do.
4199[7:13 PM] Ark: o>
4200[7:13 PM] Ark: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) we need to widen the hell outta that vote gap.
4201[7:16 PM] Ark: Also we need someone to get in touch with Loft.
4202[7:16 PM] Ark: Like ASAP
4203[7:16 PM] Ike: I'll do it
4204[7:16 PM] Ark: Okay, good.
4205[7:17 PM] Ark: So anyone we can get from neutral to Union, let's do it.
4206[7:17 PM] Ike: aye
4207[7:18 PM] Ark: Just a couple more votes and we have a majority, yeah?
4208[7:18 PM] Ark: 25/48
4209[7:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Caldariat - No contact
4210Trackeendy - In contact, hesitant but leaning Union
4211Alunya - No contact
4212OWL - No contact
4213SatanLord - No contact
4214Unified Wakanda - No contact
4215The13th - In contact, leaning Union but needs more convincing
4216Loftegen - No contact
4217[7:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): let's get this all to "Full union"
4218[7:45 PM] Ark: Yeah
4219[8:11 PM] Ike: Who wants to talk to Caldariat?
4220[8:12 PM] Ike: 
4221
4222[8:12 PM] Ike: Another one.
4223[8:17 PM] Ark: That one is endoing all the people it's supposed to
4224[8:17 PM] Ike: I know
4225[8:17 PM] Ike: But it might be because there's nothing to lose for their side in doing so, they can unendorse at whim
4226[8:20 PM] Ark: True.
4227[8:24 PM] Atlantica: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=asuka_sakamoto Was founded 21 hours ago and is tarting
4228[8:24 PM] Vapid: refounded or founded?
4229[8:24 PM] Ark: These are security worries, yes, but not actionable.
4230[8:25 PM] Ike: Founded
4231[8:25 PM] Atlantica: What's interesting is that they hopped from several regions before arriving in Lazarus, so someone's clearly trying to cover their tracks(edited)
4232[8:26 PM] Ike: In order to look like a TWI immigrant
4233[8:26 PM] Ike: Does the law say anything about the endo limit for non-citizens?
4234[8:26 PM] Ike: We can nail them if there's something
4235[8:28 PM] Omega: Yes it does
4236[8:30 PM] Ark: What's it say?
4237[8:31 PM] Amerion: CMA, Universal Declaration of Rights
4238[8:32 PM] Omega: 
4239
4240[8:32 PM] Amerion: (4) All worlds or nations shall be permitted to maintain the following endorsements counts:
4241A. 80 WA endorsement count for residents.
4242B. 100 WA endorsement count for nations endorsing the Sovereign.
4243C. 20 WA endorsements or more below Defender of the Realm for citizens by forum application or extended residency.
4244[8:32 PM] Omega: 100 for those endorsing the sovereign
4245[8:32 PM] Ike: Ooh, that's tricky.
4246[8:32 PM] Omega: Yeah it is
4247[8:32 PM] Ike: "worlds or nations"
4248[8:32 PM] Omega: Love our laws
4249[8:35 PM] Ark: My Laz pup is at 97 endorsements and I'm not endorsing funk :stuck_out_tongue:
4250[8:35 PM] Ike: Endorse funk
4251[8:35 PM] Ark: Living on the edge, I am.
4252[8:35 PM] Ike: Or else he has justification to ban you.
4253[8:35 PM] Ark: Yeah I will
4254[8:39 PM] Omega: Yeah you need to asap
4255[8:39 PM] Omega: If he realizes what that law says you could be in trouble (although the ULC doesn't allow for enforcement of that....)
4256[8:40 PM] Ike: @here If anyone has 80 or more endorsements, or are approaching it, make sure to endorse Funk, it would be illegal not to
4257[8:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): what's dope's count?
4258[8:40 PM] Ark: Idk
4259[8:41 PM] Ike: 187
4260[8:41 PM] Ark: Is Lamb too close?
4261[8:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): couldn't 20 or more below mean you can have 167 if you're a citizen?
4262[8:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he's a guardian
4263[8:41 PM] Ark: Ah
4264[8:42 PM] Ark: He Shouldn't have more though, right?
4265[8:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): technically not
4266[8:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): but Dope has been low since forever
4267[8:42 PM] Ike: Which means we can all tart to high hell
4268[8:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm up to 25 endos
4269[8:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): endorsed everyone in the region since this afternoon
4270[8:43 PM] Ark: Nice.
4271[8:43 PM] Ark: You'll get a bunch. Every day
4272[9:00 PM] Andrew: hav we won yet?
4273[9:00 PM] Ike: lol
4274[9:00 PM] Ike: no
4275[9:00 PM] Andrew: ffs
4276[9:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so NR just showed up in Laz server
4277[9:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): prays for him to come back
4278[9:01 PM] Amerion: :heart:
4279[9:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Andrew is your WA in use somewhere?
4280[9:02 PM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) u on a computer atm?
4281[9:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yep
4282[9:03 PM] Andrew: yes and no.
4283[9:03 PM] Andrew: its just sitting in TNP gathering endos
4284[9:03 PM] Amerion: Can u check how much SPDR I have? -https://www.nationstates.net/nation=amerion
4285[9:03 PM] Andrew: but it has a lot of endos
4286[9:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 65,259
4287[9:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 5th in the region
4288[9:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ah, okay
4289[9:04 PM] Amerion: Sad
4290[9:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If you're willing to bring it to Lazarus that'd be great but I can't impress anything upon you
4291[9:05 PM] Andrew: u want me to tart?
4292[9:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
4293[9:05 PM] Andrew: y
4294[9:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Amerion I think you have the 2nd most regional influence though
4295[9:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): because there are 3 people at the top of the Laz list who have influence gathered from other places
4296[9:07 PM] Ike: It's important if Funk goes all out on us, aka coup
4297[9:08 PM] Andrew: i see
4298[9:08 PM] Andrew: but wont me suddenly starting to tart kinda giv it away?
4299[9:09 PM] Ike: It doesn't matter at this point, it's not like Funk is trying to hide his import votes
4300[9:10 PM] Ike: You have every right to as a former delelgate
4301[9:10 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I just started tarting :p
4302[9:11 PM] Andrew: k
4303[9:31 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): cokeland's cit's accepted
4304[9:31 PM] Ike: He's a defender
4305[9:31 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): should we get him in here?
4306[9:31 PM] Ike: Ehhhhhhhhh
4307[9:31 PM] Kanglia: Ehhhhhhh
4308[9:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay ;p
4309[9:33 PM] Amerion: Ehh
4310[9:33 PM] Amerion: :blush:
4311[9:33 PM] Ike: We should try and get The13th in here
4312[9:33 PM] Ike: Even if he's hesitant, we could use him
4313[9:33 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) @Ark I've reconsidered and I'm fully behind your plan to change the voting system
4314[9:34 PM] Ike: More and more cronies are getting in, we have to take action soon
4315[9:34 PM] Ark: Sweet.
4316[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
4317[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): time to write then
4318[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike I can give him the link if you want
4319[9:34 PM] Ike: Sure thing
4320[9:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10256491/1/#new very odd
4321[9:35 PM] Ike: Time for some grilling.
4322[9:35 PM] Ike: In other news, Constie was accepted
4323[9:35 PM] Ike: He seems to be pretty clearly on our side, but we all know how he is. Thoughts?
4324[9:35 PM] Amerion: Finallt
4325[9:36 PM] Ike: Y'all wanna get our newcomer RAS on this too?
4326[9:37 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) You think I should ask Asuka in the thread about her region hopping?
4327[9:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we should try and get him in soon
4328[9:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
4329[9:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the other thing we really need, tbh, is evidence on Funk
4330[9:39 PM] Amerion: Let's not be too rash. I wouldn't put it above LWU to send spies
4331[9:39 PM] Ike: We aren't gonna get any confession from him and infiltration efforts are... unviable at this point
4332[9:40 PM] Amerion: How so?
4333[9:40 PM] Ike: It's not as easy as you think to masquerade on another forum :stuck_out_tongue:
4334[9:41 PM] Amerion: Unless anyone of us can view IP addresses?
4335[9:41 PM] Ike: !
4336[9:41 PM] Ike: Fucking bingo right there
4337[9:41 PM] Ike: You've just given me an idea
4338[9:41 PM] Amerion: Oh, do tell :blush:
4339[9:42 PM] Ike: Well, if any of us have access to the IP addresses of our users
4340[9:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I can see IPs >.>
4341[9:42 PM] Ike: Precisely
4342[9:42 PM] Ike: We might be able to find IP links on other forums connected to identities
4343[9:42 PM] Vapid: I can see dead people
4344[9:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh my
4345[9:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike what do you mean?
4346[9:43 PM] Amerion: How do we get their IPs on other forums?  @Ike
4347[9:43 PM] Ike: Some have them publicly visible to all users. That's how we found out 95 Block was masquerading as James Locksley
4348[9:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I've never seen a forum that has them public o.O
4349[9:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): best way is to ask the owners
4350[9:44 PM] Ike: KGB does, or did in the fall
4351[9:45 PM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) can u compile a list of all IP addresses? We can distribute them to our sympathisers and see if they find anything through their networks
4352[9:55 PM] Vapid: Seems shifty to me
4353[9:55 PM] Vapid: I wouldn't want my IP address being known to everyone
4354[9:55 PM] Amerion: Ayyy
4355[9:55 PM] Amerion: True
4356[9:55 PM] Ike: Mm
4357[9:55 PM] Amerion: Poorly thought out on my part
4358[9:55 PM] Amerion: In any case, I'm off to endotart
4359[9:56 PM] Amerion: I wonder what's Lamb being doing
4360[9:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah I'm not about to give out IP logs to everyone :p
4361[9:58 PM] Ike: Perhaps we should collectively issue a request for Funk to tell us what the hell he's doing
4362[10:02 PM] Vapid: If you want to target specific individuals, and double check their ip with other regions
4363[10:03 PM] Vapid: That's fine, I think
4364[10:03 PM] Vapid: just don't post lists
4365[10:03 PM] Ike: That's the intentino
4366[10:04 PM] Amerion: Do we know Cormac's ip?
4367[10:08 PM] Ike: Not his current one at the present moment but Kemi might be able to help
4368[10:12 PM] Ark: Kemi lol
4369[10:15 PM] Ike: Hey, she's really useful when she needs to be
4370[10:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): What even happened to kemi? >.>
4371[10:17 PM] Ike: Xoriet put out some slander and got her banned from a lot of regions
4372[10:17 PM] Ike: She stepped back from NS but we still talk a lot
4373[10:20 PM] Ark: Ouch. I like Kemi :frowning:
4374[10:20 PM] Ike: Yeah, she gets a bad rap
4375[10:21 PM] Ark: I don't really know Xoriet but I've heard she's been involved in a lot of drama.
4376[10:21 PM] Vapid: Kemi was my first raider buddy
4377[10:21 PM] Ike: She has.
4378[10:21 PM] Ike: I didn't like Kemi until I met her, now we're pretty close
4379[10:22 PM] Omega: TSP should have his IP
4380[10:23 PM] Omega: Not me but people there
4381[10:23 PM] Ike: Roavin might
4382[10:25 PM] Ark: I've always nominally liked Kemi
4383[10:25 PM] Ark: She got me interested in NS history.
4384[10:25 PM] Omega: Glen or Tsu would for sure
4385[10:25 PM] Amerion: I like wit, is Kemi witty?
4386[10:25 PM] Ike: Sometimes
4387[10:25 PM] Ike: She's... interesting.
4388[10:26 PM] Amerion: Interesting is good ...
4389[10:26 PM] Vapid: Kemi is like an aussie yuno
4390[10:26 PM] Ike: Yeah
4391[10:26 PM] Amerion: :open_mouth:
4392[10:26 PM] Ike: And with five times the issues
4393[10:26 PM] Amerion: An Aussie!
4394[10:26 PM] Vapid: Also, Knot hates her for some reason
4395[10:26 PM] Amerion: Which city?
4396[10:26 PM] Ike: Sydney
4397[10:26 PM] Amerion: :open_mouth: I'm Melbourne
4398[10:26 PM] Ike: A lot of people hate her because she has good intentions
4399[10:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion has found his brethren
4400[10:27 PM] Vapid: Wetwork from TBH is also an aussie :stuck_out_tongue:
4401[10:27 PM] Amerion: Indeedo
4402[10:27 PM] Ike: And Avakael!
4403[10:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion likes Kemi henceforth and forever unconditionally
4404[10:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Forest's founder is an aussie :stuck_out_tongue:
4405[10:27 PM] Amerion: Australians are zeee best. Everyone should like us
4406[10:27 PM] Vapid: I just remembered
4407[10:27 PM] Vapid: so is TBH's founder
4408[10:27 PM] Vapid: Red Back
4409[10:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Melbourne too iirc
4410[10:29 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so Kemi....
4411[10:29 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): how would she help?
4412[10:30 PM] Ike: She's good with this kind of stuff, lotta technical knowledge
4413[10:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ah
4414[10:30 PM] Ike: and told me she has some of Cormac's old IPs lying aroudn
4415[10:30 PM] Ike: She'll provide them when she's out of school
4416[10:30 PM] Ike: @Amerion What time is it?
4417[10:30 PM] Vapid: hammer time
4418[10:31 PM] Amerion: I'm in Malaysia atm, it's 10:31am atm @Ike
4419[10:31 PM] Ike: lmao right
4420[10:32 PM] Ike: that explains the temples
4421[10:32 PM] Amerion: Haha yeh, on holiday
4422[10:32 PM] Ike: Well obviously it's late morning-early afternoon in Sydney :stuck_out_tongue:
4423[10:32 PM] Ark: The hell do we need Cormac's IP for?
4424[10:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
4425[10:32 PM] Vapid: Suspicions the new guy might be cormac
4426[10:32 PM] Ark: Ah.
4427[10:32 PM] Ark: That would be funny.
4428[10:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh
4429[10:33 PM] Amerion: If it is, it'll be interesting ... Cormac is PNG right now
4430[10:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Kemi has old Cormac IPs lying around?
4431[10:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): She should do a yard sale
4432[10:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): bring em out of the attic
4433[10:33 PM] Amerion: Anyways, off to do touristy stuff, cya yall
4434[10:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): better yet, an auction
4435[10:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): seeya
4436[10:33 PM] Ark: Lmao Somy
4437[10:33 PM] Ike: It would be quite consequential, that's for sure
4438[10:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "2015 Cormac IP, good condition, lightly used mainly during third Osiris stage..... going once..."
4439[10:35 PM] Ark: looool
4440[10:36 PM] Ark: Oh god this guy is tooooootallly BSing
4441[10:36 PM] Ike: Hm?
4442[10:36 PM] Ark: I dunno why you think it's Cormac but it sure as shit is someone
4443[10:37 PM] Ike: How do you know?
4444[10:37 PM] Ike: And I just think someone is Cormac, it would make sense if he tried to infiltrate us
4445[10:37 PM] Ark: Because internal is my job? :stuck_out_tongue:
4446[10:37 PM] Ark: *security
4447[10:38 PM] Ark: And sniffing out spies is generally a good skill
4448[10:38 PM] Vapid: I would advise a pre-emptive coup while we have the upper hand.
4449[10:38 PM] Ike: We don't have the upper hand, and performing a coup loses us legitimacy at this point
4450[10:38 PM] Vapid: Normally I wouldn't advise something so rash(edited)
4451[10:38 PM] Ark: No couping.
4452[10:38 PM] Ike: We need to continue to build up foreign support and recognition before we can risk it
4453[10:39 PM] Ike: And I see it as a last resort against an enemy that has won through legal technicality and doesn't need to coup
4454[10:42 PM] Ark: Shooting first is off the table.
4455[10:42 PM] Ike: ^
4456[10:42 PM] Omega: I agree
4457[10:42 PM] Omega: We are not Han
4458[10:43 PM] Vapid: :stuck_out_tongue:
4459[10:43 PM] Vapid: Fair enough
4460[10:43 PM] Vapid: But funk's already trying some shady stuff
4461[10:45 PM] Ark: He is, but we have little choice in the matter.
4462[10:46 PM] Ark: If we even try to coup before there is undeniable evidence of Funk couping or planning a coup, there goes ALL of our foreign support.
4463[10:46 PM] Ike: If there is undeniable evidence, we can go legal first, and if that don't work, we have the plan laid out for us.
4464[10:46 PM] Ark: Yep.
4465[10:52 PM] Lenlyvit: 
4466
4467
4468
4469
4470[10:52 PM] Lenlyvit: Anyone else think these are odd?
4471[10:55 PM] Ark: They're all odd.
4472[10:59 PM] Pherttsylvania: I think they're catching on and just making it seem like the new arrivals are endorsing all the guardians and not just showing up for Funk, Lamb, and Wolf
4473[11:00 PM] Ike: Indeed
4474[11:00 PM] Pherttsylvania: Everyone is aware everyone is watching
4475[11:01 PM] Pherttsylvania: I do wonder what Lamb is up to since he's been avoiding Lazarus since the proclamation was issued
4476[11:01 PM] Ike: We should ask
4477[11:01 PM] Pherttsylvania: lol
4478[11:01 PM] Ike: Press publicly as to where the hell he is
4479[11:01 PM] Ike: #WhereIsLamb
4480[11:01 PM] Ike: #LambOnTheRun
4481[11:01 PM] Ark: lol
4482[11:02 PM] Ark: #LambontheLam
4483[11:02 PM] Ike: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
4484[11:02 PM] Pherttsylvania: get some tags trending lol
4485[11:02 PM] Ike: We can make our own parody sonng
4486[11:02 PM] Ike: Lamb On The Run
4487[11:02 PM] Ike: Lamb on the run, you coup and everybody comes, a-piling
4488[11:06 PM] Pherttsylvania: well its 11PM here, so I should get to bed so I'm not tired and pissy tomorrow
4489[11:06 PM] Ike: of course :stuck_out_tongue:
4490[11:06 PM] Pherttsylvania: good night all
4491[11:07 PM] Ark: Night.
4492[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=32179089#p32179089
4493[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Also
4494[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Please post a lamb song
4495[11:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Guardian piece #3
4496[11:11 PM] Ike: YES
4497[11:12 PM] Ike: will write
4498[11:12 PM] Amerion: Hahaha
4499[11:14 PM] Ike: Or maybe "Dear Prudence" by the Beatles
4500[11:14 PM] Ike: Dear Lamb Stone, won't you come out to play
4501[11:14 PM] Ike: Dear Lamb Stone, greet the brand new day
4502[11:14 PM] Ike: The sun is up, the sky is blue, it's beautiful, and so are you
4503[11:14 PM] Ike: dear lamb stone
4504[11:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lol
4505[11:16 PM] Ike: Give me a clever album title
4506[11:17 PM] Vapid: Rubber Spine
4507[11:17 PM] Ike: I'm thinking Sgt. Milo's Lonely Hearts Coup Band
4508[11:17 PM] Ike: heh
4509[11:24 PM] Ike: Chairman Milo's Lonely Hearts Coup Band
4510[11:25 PM] Ike: featuring songs like Let's Coup Again (featuring Chubby Chaser)
4511[11:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I like it
4512[11:26 PM] Vapid: If you do something with elvis, "You ain't nothing but a lone wolf"
4513[11:38 PM] Ike: @Somyrion (Aumelodia)
4514[11:38 PM] Ike: Got those IPs?
4515[11:38 PM] Ike: Kemi came around
4516[11:38 PM] Ike: It's almost certainly dynamic but worth a shot
4517[11:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
4518[11:41 PM] Omega: I feel like we are nearing TGW level shitposting.
4519[11:41 PM] Ike: That's a good thing.
4520[11:42 PM] Vapid: I'll tone it down if we can avoid that >->
4521[11:42 PM] Omega: Do I need to highlight once again in GP that this is not about R/D this is about respect for the laws.
4522[11:42 PM] Ike: Of course
4523[11:48 PM] Ike: 1. Chairman Milo's Lonely Hearts Coup Band
45242. A Little Help From My Friends
45253. Lamb On The Run
45264. Let's Coup Again (featuring Chubby Chaser)
45275. Mr. Voter Fraud Man
45286. A Hard Funk's A-Gonna Fall
45297. Lamb Of Constant Sorrow
45308. Take Me Home, Raider Roads
45319. Lone Wolf Strut
4532[11:50 PM] Omega: Read this before I post: 
4533Once again, as a non-aligned individual, I would like ot highlight that this is about, and has only ever been about, respect for the laws. If the leadership of a region has lost respect for the laws and respect for democracy then protest is merited. I have seen no evidence pointing to a defender conspiracy to put Lazarus back in the defender column, but I have seen our leadership in Lazarus willingly and intentionally undermine our democracy and by extension our laws and Courts. This is not about if Lazarus raids or if Lazarus defends, this is about if Lazarus is a region of laws and democracy where the leadership must answer to an engaged population or if Lazarus is a region of lawlessness and an oligarchy propped by people who are only there to vote in lockstep with the leadership.
4534[11:50 PM] Ike: Perfect.
4535[11:51 PM] Omega: I love doing this. I feel like I can stay more sensible than GP at times.
4536[11:51 PM] Omega: Although that's probably not saying much.
4537July 21, 2017
4538[12:45 AM] Ike: @here https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=418902&p=32180730#p32180730
4539[12:45 AM] Ike: :heart:
4540[12:47 AM] Omega: Is it a dispatch yet?
4541[12:47 AM] Ike: Does it need to be? :stuck_out_tongue:
4542[12:47 AM] Omega: I mean duh
4543[12:47 AM] Omega: #TLGTakesDispartchLeaderBoard
4544[12:47 AM] Ike: true :smile:
4545[12:50 AM] Ike: @here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=857039 Upvote squadron GO
4546[12:51 AM] Omega: Is it cheating if I upvote with all of my puppets?
4547[12:51 AM] Ike: No idea, best ask a mod or look in the subforum
4548[12:51 AM] Vapid: It's not(edited)
4549[12:51 AM] Vapid: but you won't get far
4550[12:51 AM] Vapid: The game can detect it
4551[12:52 AM] Vapid: and it'll delete your previous upvotes
4552[12:52 AM] Vapid: and only allow you one
4553[12:52 AM] Ike: heh
4554[12:52 AM] Omega: Ah okay
4555[12:52 AM] Omega: Smart game
4556[12:53 AM] Omega: I thought I had just discovered TGW's secret
4557[12:53 AM] Vapid: TGW is just kinda cool that way
4558[12:53 AM] Vapid: at least their dispatches are shitposts in the good way
4559[12:53 AM] Vapid: Now, Euro and TNP
4560[12:53 AM] Omega: There are just so many people there.
4561[12:54 AM] Vapid: And so much menial bullshit to report
4562[12:54 AM] Vapid: oh shit
4563[12:54 AM] Vapid: we got a lot of endos
4564[12:54 AM] Vapid: no offense to any TNPers
4565[12:54 AM] Ike: Hm?
4566[12:55 AM] Vapid: TNP
4567[12:55 AM] Vapid: and its dispatches
4568[1:04 AM] Curious Observations: Upvoted. That was beautiful.
4569[1:05 AM] Vapid: you're beautiful
4570[1:10 AM] Ark: Ike I am proud of you
4571[1:10 AM] Ark: That dispatch made me genuinely happy.
4572[1:10 AM] Ike: :heart:
4573[1:10 AM] Ark: < 3
4574[5:37 AM] Seraph: I've switched my WA.
4575[5:37 AM] Seraph: I'll get on to some endotarting later today, hopefully.
4576[6:25 AM] harmoneia: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=skadifron -> just moved and has been endoswapping
4577[6:25 AM] harmoneia: one of yours?
4578[6:26 AM] harmoneia: but more importantly, she too is doing the same for someone who claims to have only returned: https://embed.nationstates.net/nation=asuka_sakamoto#composebutton
4579[8:00 AM] Ark: Isn't skadifron @Atlantica
4580[8:05 AM] Ark: Or maybe omega?
4581[8:06 AM] Ark: No, not omega
4582[8:07 AM] Ark: Definitely familiar, though o.o
4583[8:18 AM] Pherttsylvania: It's Atlantica
4584[8:18 AM] Pherttsylvania: I finally managed to log into NS this morning
4585[8:19 AM] Pherttsylvania: thought something nefarious was afoot but I think there were some database issues
4586[8:19 AM] Ark: I hear it's been screwy lately
4587[8:20 AM] Pherttsylvania: I was worried when I couldn't log into the technical support forum to even post that I was having issues
4588[8:20 AM] Pherttsylvania: but it's back to normal it seems
4589[8:20 AM] Ark: That's good.
4590[10:27 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It's a Satanic Bitch xD - Today at 10:25 AM
4591well
4592rip Lazarus
4593It's a Satanic Bitch xD - Today at 10:26 AM
4594I see
4595well PM me when you need me to vote on stuff to stop them
4596cuz I always forget(edited)
4597[10:41 AM] Ark: Ayyy
4598[2:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Shouldn't Lamb have to lower his endo count to 20 below doperland's?
4599[2:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): There's no law saying Guardians are exempt from that rule
4600[2:43 PM] Omega: Hey guys we need to fix something in the laws asap.
4601[2:43 PM] Omega: Yes he should
4602[2:44 PM] Omega: Bring it up
4603[2:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it also means Harm, KK, and Amerion do too
4604[2:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Doperland tart please so we can have higher endo counts :stuck_out_tongue:
4605[2:45 PM] Omega: So the CMA as currently written mandates that nations can be banjected if the have been CHARGED with a crime. It needs to be changed to charged and found guilty by the Celestial Inquisitorial Court
4606[2:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ugh
4607[2:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): where?
4608[2:45 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): (2) Worlds or nations will not be banned or ejected from the region unless they have:
4609A. Been publicly charged with a crime.
4610[2:45 PM] Omega: Article 3.3.2
4611[2:45 PM] Omega: Yep that
4612[2:46 PM] Omega: Also look at 3.3.3
4613[2:46 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you want to propose it right now/
4614[2:47 PM] Omega: I can't from mobile but that has to be fixed asap
4615[2:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay, I can
4616[2:47 PM] Omega: Or else Funk could charges us with crimes and banject us
4617[2:48 PM] Omega: Legally (kind of)
4618[2:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): (4) All worlds or nations shall be permitted to maintain the following endorsements counts:
4619A. 80 WA endorsement count for residents.
4620B. 100 WA endorsement count for nations endorsing the Sovereign.
4621C. 20 WA endorsements or more below Defender of the Realm for citizens by forum application or extended residency.
4622D. Guardians shall hold an endorsement count between the Defender of the Realm's and half that of the Sovereign's.
4623[2:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): how does that look?
4624[3:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @here
4625
4626[3:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I think this is a good place to test our voting strength
4627[3:03 PM] Ark: Agreed.
4628[3:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10256975/1/#new
4629[3:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10256967/1/#new
4630[3:10 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): just noticed TLG is currently at the top of the dispatch list :p
4631[3:11 PM] Ark: Never underestimate good propaganda
4632[3:17 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ark @Vapid THOSE ARE NOT VOTING THREADS :p
4633[3:18 PM] Ark: Kek
4634[3:18 PM] Vapid: commits sudoku
4635[3:18 PM] Ark: Edited.
4636[3:21 PM] Doperland: I blame ark
4637[3:21 PM] Doperland: He should know better
4638[3:21 PM] Doperland: TSK. TSK.
4639[3:22 PM] Ark: Dude
4640[3:23 PM] Ark: I don't even know how to legislate in Lazarus
4641[3:23 PM] Ark: :stuck_out_tongue:
4642[3:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): shame, Ark. what a shame
4643[3:25 PM] Doperland: ...
4644[3:25 PM] Doperland: i have no faith in this revolution
4645[3:25 PM] Doperland: all because of that one statement ark
4646[3:27 PM] Vapid: welp
4647[3:27 PM] Vapid: ouch
4648[3:34 PM] Ark: I was FA Archbishop, boi
4649[3:36 PM] Doperland: i have no faith
4650[3:37 PM] Ark: :frowning:
4651[3:38 PM] Curious Observations: YOU JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE
4652[3:38 PM] Curious Observations: :weary:
4653[3:39 PM] Ark: Good afternoon to you too
4654[3:40 PM] Vapid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brIX8OgZ3VY
4655YouTube
4656Jose Fabian
4657Filthy Frank "I Believe I Can Fly"
4658
4659
4660[3:40 PM] Doperland: ...
4661[3:40 PM] Doperland: I don't know if I want to be here anymore because of ark and vapid
4662[3:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): D:
4663[3:43 PM] Ark: leaves
4664[3:46 PM] Doperland: meh
4665[3:46 PM] Vapid: Look
4666[3:46 PM] Doperland: Just start your own revolution with blackjack and hookers
4667[3:46 PM] Vapid: I'm sorry if I appeared newbish >->
4668[3:47 PM] Doperland: nah see i'm just disappointed in Ark cuz he should know better
4669[3:47 PM] Doperland: If he makes mistakes he seems incompetent
4670[3:47 PM] Doperland: Which is the opposite thing he wants to come off as
4671[3:48 PM] Ark: Am I supposed to be Francos Spain here? lol
4672[3:48 PM] Doperland: You should seem as competent as possible so people question Funk's decision of dismissal
4673[3:51 PM] Ark: Well I haven't appeared this incompetent in public :stuck_out_tongue:
4674[3:51 PM] Ark: At least I hope
4675[4:52 PM] Lenlyvit: Is Cokeland on our side @Somyrion (Aumelodia) ?(edited)
4676[4:55 PM] Lenlyvit: Also, Funk is gaining endos pretty fast. 13 since yesterday minor
4677[4:56 PM] Lenlyvit: 4 since today's minor
4678[5:02 PM] Seraph: I'll remember not to include him in my endotarting, then...
4679[5:02 PM] Seraph: I considered keeping him in, just to look less supicious, but that won't help, i guess.
4680[5:02 PM] Seraph: Besides, the nation is linked to me on the forums and my allegiance is easily implied by my military alignment tag, so bye-bye stealth. :stuck_out_tongue:
4681[5:19 PM] Ark: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=eara_vorti
4682[5:19 PM] Ark: @here we have another one. Check happenings.
4683[5:31 PM] Lenlyvit: 
4684
4685[5:31 PM] Lenlyvit: Is someone keeping track of these?
4686[5:32 PM] Lenlyvit: Because they're definitely importing WAs
4687[5:32 PM] Lenlyvit: @Ike
4688[5:32 PM] Ark: Ike is a bit busy today with RL.  @Somyrion (Aumelodia)
4689[5:32 PM] Ark: That's, what, like 4/5 now?
4690[5:33 PM] Vapid: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_septimanian_marches just moved in
4691[5:33 PM] Vapid: endorsed the same nations
4692[5:38 PM] Lenlyvit: Someone make a list(edited)
4693[5:41 PM] Ark: @Vapid, can you make the list?
4694[5:41 PM] Ark: Then post it here and we can edit it when needed
4695[5:45 PM] Lenlyvit: 
4696
4697
4698
4699
4700
4701
4702[5:46 PM] Lenlyvit: ^evidence of WA importation
4703[5:46 PM] Ark: Jesus Christ.
4704[5:46 PM] Ark: Yeah
4705[5:46 PM] Ark: Are they endoing each other?
4706[5:46 PM] Vapid: Note that one of those is tom's nation
4707[5:46 PM] Vapid: Endoing them, that is
4708[5:46 PM] Ark: Also pinging @Curious Observations because they can make another forum post out of those^
4709[5:47 PM] Vapid: Septimanian Marches endorsed Tom back
4710[5:47 PM] Lenlyvit: Just Funk and KK and Scum(Lamb)
4711[5:47 PM] Vapid: Not sure about others
4712[5:47 PM] Vapid: On my phone rn
4713[5:48 PM] Lenlyvit: If they got endo'd, they endo'd back
4714[5:48 PM] Lenlyvit: But no tarting
4715[5:50 PM] Vapid: Do any of them have the NS++ logo?
4716[5:51 PM] Vapid: Can someone check
4717[5:51 PM] Vapid: On my phone
4718[5:51 PM] Lenlyvit: Will check
4719[5:54 PM] Lenlyvit: What's it look like again?
4720[5:56 PM] Lenlyvit: @Vapid
4721[6:00 PM] Vapid: A plus that is green
4722[6:00 PM] Vapid: And if you hover over it, it says proud ns++ user
4723[6:01 PM] Vapid: It's near the top of their nation page, below the banners, right side
4724[6:06 PM] Lenlyvit: I'm not seeing it
4725[6:26 PM] Vapid: Go to my main (gibraltarica) do you see it?
4726[6:26 PM] Vapid: It's a badge
4727[7:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you only can see it if you have NS++ :stuck_out_tongue:
4728[7:29 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): septimanian marches has it
4729[7:32 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=32185355&sid=2479bf93b5d73d841f4708db57660bef#p32185355 this makes me sad :/
4730[7:40 PM] Lenlyvit: Who is Starberries?
4731[7:40 PM] Ike: Former delegate
4732[7:40 PM] Amerion: Former del. One of the best
4733[7:41 PM] Ike: Nah she did nothing
4734[7:41 PM] Amerion: Until she became del..m
4735[7:41 PM] Ike: She disappeared during her term
4736[7:41 PM] Amerion: Well, there is WA importation going on ... So what do we do?
4737[7:42 PM] Ike: We expose them, naturally, and gain more support
4738[7:42 PM] Lenlyvit: That's your job Ike :wink:(edited)
4739[7:42 PM] Amerion: Our PR guru:blush:
4740[7:43 PM] Amerion: After this is all over. Open your own firm. I'll be ur first client
4741[7:43 PM] Ike: Indeed
4742[7:43 PM] Ike: Give me a few hours so I can get on my PC and off this near dead phone
4743[7:43 PM] Ike: Then I'll get to work in an exposé
4744[7:45 PM] Lenlyvit: I already posted the images @Ike
4745[7:48 PM] Lenlyvit: All you need to do is download and upload to Imgur(edited)
4746[8:34 PM] Ark: I recommend making this one a bit less idealistic/intense than your usual stuff, @Ike.
4747[8:35 PM] Ark: Stick to the facts as much as possible, helps us appear more legit.
4748[8:35 PM] Ike: Sure thing.
4749[8:37 PM] Vapid: So at least one is an established user, basically confirmed
4750[8:38 PM] Vapid: Good to know
4751[8:38 PM] Ike: Hey, so are you :p
4752[8:38 PM] Vapid: True :stuck_out_tongue:
4753[9:35 PM] Vapid: Alright, anything you guys need me to do, or nah?
4754[9:38 PM] Ark: Depends. How good is your rapport with Badger?
4755[9:39 PM] Vapid: Pretty gucci
4756[9:39 PM] Ike: I don't know if Badger is a risk worth taking at this point
4757[9:39 PM] Ike: Most factors point to at least limited involvement
4758[9:43 PM] Lenlyvit: @Ike did you use those pictures I posted?
4759[9:44 PM] Ike: Not yet
4760[9:45 PM] Vapid: I feel like we might want to take a break from new posts
4761[9:46 PM] Vapid: people get desensitized after hearing the same message multiple times
4762[9:49 PM] Lenlyvit: The news about imported WAs hasn't been talked about yet
4763[9:50 PM] Ike: ^
4764[9:50 PM] Ark: Unless you're in the middle of things, it's all the same. Laz drama etc
4765[9:58 PM] Omega: Yeah Ark is right. Let's not post again till Monday.
4766[9:58 PM] Omega: I'll hold off till Sunday, but no more TLG for a little while
4767[9:58 PM] Ike: No no, we need one more now that we have dirt on importation
4768[9:58 PM] Ike: That's important info
4769[10:01 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): make it a very serious post though
4770[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "look at this damning evidence"
4771[10:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "We cannot believe Funk is going this far"
4772[10:03 PM] Ike: Absolutely
4773[10:03 PM] Ike: Not tabloid tho
4774[10:09 PM] Omega: Right. TLG gets serious.
4775[10:12 PM] Vapid: funk is probably going to try to coup within the week if he's going to
4776[10:12 PM] Vapid: We need to make our propaganda impact
4777[10:12 PM] Ike: I don't know if he will. He might soon estimate that he doesn't need to, having the votes he does
4778[10:12 PM] Vapid: Fair enough
4779[10:13 PM] Vapid: In that case, we might need to force a coup, if the importation is too grave
4780[10:13 PM] Ike: Force one by him? Or pre-emptive action?
4781[10:13 PM] Vapid: Depends
4782[10:13 PM] Vapid: Forcing one would be difficult
4783[10:13 PM] Vapid: but would be better for PR
4784[10:14 PM] Vapid: Funk is not stupid
4785[10:14 PM] Vapid: unlike many people in here would assume
4786[10:14 PM] Ike: Pre-emptive action isn't viable
4787[10:14 PM] Ark: Too bad there's no way to resolve things without some kind of problem.
4788[10:14 PM] Ike: It's illegal and loses us legitimacy
4789[10:14 PM] Ike: We need confrontation and we've been building up to it so far
4790[10:14 PM] Ike: But it's anyone's guess as to who will blink first
4791[10:18 PM] Vapid: It's a shame that we're in this position
4792[10:18 PM] Vapid: because all funk has to do to win
4793[10:18 PM] Vapid: is get enough voters(edited)
4794[10:18 PM] Vapid: and not confront
4795[10:19 PM] Ike: We've imposed some disadvantageous limits on ourselves, but it's what we have to do in order to keep our legitimacy.
4796[10:20 PM] Vapid: We die heroes or live to see ourselves become villains
4797[10:22 PM] Vapid: oooh, I've got a point
4798[10:22 PM] Vapid: so, why would EW, Lamb, and Funk, three active members of a raiding org, have their WAs stationed in a defender-leaning sinker?
4799[10:23 PM] Ike: The fuck do you think?
4800[10:23 PM] Vapid: for an indefinite period of time
4801[10:23 PM] Ike: lel
4802[10:23 PM] Vapid: Exactly, 1+1=2
4803[10:23 PM] Ike: It can be argued that their dedication to Lazarus supersedes their loyalty to any R/D org
4804[10:23 PM] Ike: Which flips the table on us.
4805[10:23 PM] Ike: @Lenlyvit Get me those pictures again could you
4806[10:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): well, just poking in here, with the current legislation we have on the table it's already quite clear Lamb has an illegal number of endorsements
4807[10:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): as well as all the guardians but Wintermoot, but most prominently Lamb >.>
4808[10:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we can force at least him to lower his endos at risk of pressing charges
4809[10:25 PM] Ike: Lamb is indeed over the cap, isn't he?
4810[10:25 PM] Ike: We should publicize that too
4811[10:25 PM] Ark: He's 2nd in the region lol
4812[10:25 PM] Ark: But I don't think guardians have caps?
4813[10:25 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes they do
4814[10:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): unless you can find a law to the contrary, they in fact must follow the same laws as all other citizens
4815[10:26 PM] Ark: O
4816[10:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): i.e. 20 below the DoTR
4817[10:26 PM] Vapid: which, in a good GCR, would be bullshit
4818[10:26 PM] Ark: Kek
4819[10:26 PM] Vapid: but there's nonsense afoot here
4820[10:26 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): which is why I just proposed an amendment you two both "ayed" on :stuck_out_tongue:
4821[10:26 PM] Vapid: TOPKEK
4822[10:27 PM] Ike: Do you think, if we can get Funk to take action regarding Lamb's count to save his reputation, we can then pull off a nice little marvel by lowering Doperland's endorsement count and forcing Lamb to go lower?
4823[10:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): (which ftr would make all the guardians' but Lamb's endo counts legal)
4824[10:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): only problem is that means Amerion, Wintermoot, etc. also would have to go lower
4825[10:28 PM] Vapid: Bad move
4826[10:28 PM] Vapid: our power is dispersed
4827[10:28 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): in a possible coup situation, we don't want that'
4828[10:28 PM] Vapid: Their is concentrated
4829[10:28 PM] Vapid: lowering it for everyone hurts us more
4830[10:29 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we do need to press Lamb's illegality though
4831[10:35 PM] Ike: Maybe we can try running a counterintelligence operation against LWU
4832[10:35 PM] Ike: Some kind of infiltration to see if there are any ties
4833[10:36 PM] Vapid: In the series of less than 2 weeks?
4834[10:36 PM] Ike: Up into the election, ostensibly
4835[10:36 PM] Ike: If rankers are being shuffled into Lazarus, it can't be that hard to figure it out
4836[10:37 PM] Vapid: How many folks being moved inhave you identified @Lenlyvit?
4837[10:38 PM] Lenlyvit: At least 6. A couple were nations refounded in Lazarus who WAd up
4838
4839
4840
4841
4842
4843
4844[10:39 PM] Vapid: To me, Septimanian Marches is a prime suspect for this, what's the proof for the others?
4845[10:40 PM] Lenlyvit: All of them only endorsed KK, Funk, and Lamb
4846[10:40 PM] Lenlyvit: At the beginning
4847[10:40 PM] Vapid: ah
4848[10:40 PM] Vapid: okay
4849[10:41 PM] Lenlyvit: Pretty obvious, if you ask me :grinning:
4850[10:42 PM] Vapid: I mean, I wasn't seeing it, so might help to point that out
4851[10:42 PM] Lenlyvit: After I'm done re-writing this dispatch, ill dig into the NS Dossier to look at the regions they were in
4852[10:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lenly is a master spotter :smile:
4853[10:49 PM] Ark: Is he a master debater
4854[10:49 PM] Ike: >_>
4855[10:50 PM] Ark: <_<
4856[10:56 PM] Amerion: >_>
4857[10:56 PM] Ark: <_<
4858[11:04 PM] Lenlyvit: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=26414291 I'm laughing my ass off right now
4859[11:04 PM] Lenlyvit: I just found this
4860[11:08 PM] Lenlyvit: @Ike
4861[11:08 PM] Ike: I saw :stuck_out_tongue:
4862[11:08 PM] Amerion: Their sass
4863[11:15 PM] Amerion: Hypothetically, if we do not combat this new wave, are we waiting till Funk takes action?
4864[11:15 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah :/
4865[11:15 PM] Ike: I think we're, right now, founding the basis for our case against Lamb
4866[11:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): elections
4867[11:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lamb is priority rn
4868[11:17 PM] Ike: Can someone give me a recap on what we've accomplished today as far as intelligence?
4869[11:17 PM] Amerion: Lenly's info
4870[11:24 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://i.imgur.com/Vjtq7x5.png?1 if anyone wants this :stuck_out_tongue:
4871
4872[11:26 PM] Ark: < 3
4873[11:26 PM] Ike: :smile:
4874[11:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): already in my sig :p
4875Vjtq7x52
4876[11:42 PM] Ike: Should we call attention in the Citizens discord to the fact that Funk is taking no action about Lamb's endo count?
4877[11:46 PM] Amerion: Not without seeming like a hypocrite as our people are as above it as well
4878[11:46 PM] Pherttsylvania: I'm not sure. That seems to me a finer point than the fact that he seems to be ignoring any number of issues that we've pointed out
4879[11:46 PM] Pherttsylvania: also what Amerion said lol
4880[11:46 PM] Ike: Then we should be making conscious efforts to decrease our endorsements as per the law
4881[11:46 PM] Ike: Set a good example
4882[11:47 PM] Amerion: I will send out tgs to the people I sent tgs to later, to ask them to undendorse
4883[11:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we should not decrease our endorsements
4884[11:47 PM] Ike: Let's look at the worst case scenario here
4885[11:47 PM] Vapid: we should stay within the law
4886[11:47 PM] Ike: And that is Funk banning our guys for going over, while ignoring Lamb because he feels like it
4887[11:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we already have the amendment up
4888[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): it'll take about a week to go through
4889[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
4890[11:48 PM] Ike: Now, we can cry coup at that point if we want to sound the alarm about endorsements, because if we do he may very well
4891[11:48 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay then
4892[11:49 PM] Ike: But we don't know how that would go down
4893[11:50 PM] Pherttsylvania: I think if he's going to keep looking the other way on Lamb he would on us as well. It might be an excuse he may use in the worst case scenario, but I think it would appear worse after the fact since he could deliberately target us while ignoring Lamb for the exact same issue.
4894[11:50 PM] Vapid: His justification would be that we are in conspiracy
4895[11:50 PM] Ike: And if he decided to take action on us while ignoring the Lamb, can we assess our odds here?
4896[11:51 PM] Vapid: Not good
4897[11:51 PM] Vapid: I'd say 40-60 funk's favor
4898[11:51 PM] Ike: Because technically he's legal in taking such action, and I don't know if the Mandate points to any part where the Delegate legally has to enforce the law.
4899[11:51 PM] Pherttsylvania: Then we could emphasize his unwillingness leading up to his decision to ignore the legal issues brought to his attention by us
4900[11:51 PM] Ike: Our best legal case against him would be dereliction of duty, which we could potentially work to right now.
4901[11:52 PM] Vapid: to be honest
4902[11:52 PM] Vapid: it might be our best chance
4903[11:52 PM] Vapid: And then have our people reduce our endorsements, or try to, in token
4904[11:52 PM] Vapid: i.e. send out a mass telegram or something
4905[11:53 PM] Ike: It's illegal to discourage endorsement of the Delegate, so let's keep that in mind first off
4906[11:54 PM] Pherttsylvania: I think this fits more in line to with what I'd been thinking; sort of dereliction of duty leading to a vote of no confidence. I worry about the viability though with the election so close anyway.
4907[11:55 PM] Pherttsylvania: Also I am concerned that no matter the outcome there may be resistance in terms of changing leadership if the court situation isn't resolved by then too
4908[11:55 PM] Pherttsylvania: Because then they might argue its a stability issue- a change could further destabilize the region
4909[11:58 PM] Ike: It's in our best interest right now, i think, to keep away from impeachment efforts against Funk until the election. That way we only need a simple majority instead of two thirds
4910[11:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Let's put a no confidence vote out of our minds for now.
4911[11:58 PM] Ike: But we can still build up a case against his cronies
4912[11:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Agreed
4913[11:58 PM] Pherttsylvania: alright
4914[11:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The path seems pretty simple here: get our guardians back into the realm of the law, and then call out Lamb etc. ceaselessly for it
4915[11:59 PM] Vapid: How can we do that?
4916[11:59 PM] Vapid: like, we have 10 days
4917[11:59 PM] Ike: Good idea. Which guardians are above the limit right now?
4918July 22, 2017
4919[12:00 AM] Vapid: To reduce our endos
4920[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Or pass the amendment making lamb the only illegal one, whichever comes first
4921[12:00 AM] Pherttsylvania: If we manage to get this done before Lamb seemingly reappears it would help a lot.
4922[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 10 days?
4923[12:00 AM] Vapid: isn't the election on the 1st?
4924[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay
4925[12:00 AM] Vapid: Or did I misread the constitution
4926[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Isn't it the 8th?
4927[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Or am I remembering wrong
4928[12:00 AM] Vapid: could've sworn it's the first day of every 4 months
4929[12:00 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Hm
4930[12:00 AM] Ike: That reminds me
4931[12:01 AM] Ike: One sec
4932[12:01 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'm too lazy to check ;P
4933[12:01 AM] Amerion: Election is pn the 8th
4934[12:02 AM] Vapid: ok
4935[12:02 AM] Vapid: that's a bit more breathing room
4936[12:02 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Okay, we have to realise getting endorsements down will take a loooong tine
4937[12:03 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And it's bad for us in the end
4938[12:03 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We should focus on quickly passing this amendment
4939[12:03 AM] Ike: Yeah, let's do that
4940[12:03 AM] Ike: Also, welcome @Chanku
4941[12:03 AM] Ike: You're a Lazarene citizen, yes?
4942[12:03 AM] Amerion: Welcome
4943[12:03 AM] Chanku: I've applied for Citizenship, but I'm also an ex-citizen
4944[12:03 AM] Chanku: (Currently pending approval I believe)
4945[12:04 AM] Ike: You're Lazarene enough
4946[12:04 AM] Amerion: Crap
4947[12:04 AM] Amerion: Crap
4948[12:04 AM] Chanku: ?
4949[12:04 AM] Amerion: Shit
4950[12:04 AM] Ike: What is it?
4951[12:04 AM] Amerion: I accidentally posted an invite link on the spam
4952[12:04 AM] Amerion: Shit
4953[12:04 AM] Amerion: I can't delete it
4954[12:04 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): O.o
4955[12:05 AM] Ark: What
4956[12:05 AM] Ike: WHAT
4957[12:05 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): DELETE
4958[12:05 AM] Ark: Why not
4959[12:05 AM] Ike: Mobile?
4960[12:05 AM] Amerion: Fck
4961[12:05 AM] Ike: Hold down the message
4962[12:05 AM] Chanku: It's gone
4963[12:05 AM] Ark: ^
4964[12:05 AM] Ike: Wait for the delete option
4965[12:05 AM] Amerion: Fuck
4966[12:05 AM] Ike: Thank fuck
4967[12:05 AM] Vapid: lol
4968[12:05 AM] Ike: Who...
4969[12:05 AM] Ike: Who removed it
4970[12:05 AM] Amerion: Me
4971[12:05 AM] Vapid: kebab
4972[12:05 AM] Ike: Jesus
4973[12:05 AM] Ike: Right
4974[12:05 AM] Ike: Crisis averted.
4975[12:05 AM] Amerion: I'm about to take off on a flight
4976[12:05 AM] Ike: Right lol
4977[12:05 AM] Amerion: Sorry all
4978[12:05 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Was it the paste thread? :stuck_out_tongue:
4979[12:05 AM] Amerion: Jeez
4980[12:05 AM] Amerion: Heart attack
4981[12:05 AM] Ike: Hey, it's fixed and that's what matters
4982[12:05 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The one where you paste what's on your clipboard
4983[12:06 AM] Vapid: it was in the server spam
4984[12:06 AM] Amerion: Ban anyone who joined  @Ike
4985[12:06 AM] Chanku: Anyway, Amerion had me join
4986[12:06 AM] Chanku: Via DM invite
4987[12:06 AM] Amerion: Yeh, I copied it for him
4988[12:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ah lol
4989[12:06 AM] Amerion: Okay, well, I'll land in two hours
4990[12:06 AM] Amerion: Cya all
4991[12:06 AM] Vapid: cya
4992[12:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well that was quite a welcoming xD
4993[12:06 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Cya
4994[12:06 AM] Chanku: Yeah
4995[12:06 AM] Ike: Yup.
4996[12:06 AM] Ike: Happy trails, Amerion
4997[12:06 AM] Pherttsylvania: Later, Amerion
4998[12:07 AM] Chanku: Anyway, I decided to regain Lazarus Citizenship after learning about the shit Funk has pulled and being thoroughly disgusted with it.
4999[12:07 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yeah :/
5000[12:07 AM] Ike: Good to have you here.
5001[12:07 AM] Chanku: No problem, I'm also a Wintrean (as @Wintermoot can attest :P)(edited)
5002[12:07 AM] Wintermoot: Aren't you supposed to be on a leave of absence? lol
5003[12:08 AM] Pherttsylvania: The whole situation has definitely given me insight into a part of the game I had until now previously ignored.
5004[12:08 AM] Chanku: The subversion of a government honestly pisses me off to deal with that
5005[12:08 AM] Chanku: but yes.
5006[12:08 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You're also a biscuit-lover :cookie:
5007[12:08 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Anyone who likes biscuits has my trust
5008[12:08 AM] Chanku: Oh hey it's you
5009[12:08 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It's me
5010[12:09 AM] Chanku: hands @Somyrion (Aumelodia) a buscuit
5011[12:09 AM] Chanku: :stuck_out_tongue:
5012[12:09 AM] Chanku: Anyway
5013[12:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Fearless Raccoon, the one and only.... BISCUIT!!!
5014[12:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Anyway
5015[12:09 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Biggest upcoming thing is the delegate elections starting August 8
5016[12:10 AM] Chanku: Yeah.
5017[12:10 AM] Chanku: So what's the current plan?
5018[12:11 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well, current thing is that it turns out a bunch of the guardians are holding illegal numbers of endorsements
5019[12:11 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lamb most prominently, he's higher than the vice delegate
5020[12:11 AM] Ike: We're pushing through an amendment to amend this.
5021[12:11 AM] Chanku: I saw
5022[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): And make it so that only Lamb is illegal; then we can push Funk to make Lamb lower his endos, which he likely won't do
5023[12:12 AM] Ike: In which case, more legal ground.
5024[12:12 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We also have more WA importation evidence.
5025[12:13 AM] Wintermoot: This seems like a lot of pretense...does Funk actually care about what's legal?
5026[12:13 AM] Wintermoot: They seem to be getting pretty blatant about it
5027[12:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): No, but all the better because it just means we have more to go by.
5028[12:13 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We can't do anything until the sovereign elections other than gather our evidence stockpile
5029[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Or risk losing all legality pretense(edited)
5030[12:14 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): After delegate elections begin is when all hell will break loose
5031[12:14 AM] Wintermoot: I hope it works out, but I've observed that on gameplay it's often might that makes right
5032[12:15 AM] Ike: Indeed.
5033[12:15 AM] Chanku: I would highly suggest being prepared to create a new Government in Exile.
5034[12:15 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We currently have a majority in the council, though slight.
5035[12:15 AM] Chanku: You know what they say: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
5036[12:16 AM] Vapid: Worst case scenario, we all create a really quaint and lovely ucr :stuck_out_tongue:
5037[12:16 AM] Wintermoot: already has a really quaint and lovely ucr :P
5038[12:16 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I already have that planned >.>
5039[12:18 AM] Chanku: I would also suggest, during elections, try and make sure you can get as many ally militaries on Standby as possible as well.
5040[12:19 AM] Chanku: Well as many as can be done in private.
5041[12:19 AM] Chanku: The faster a response can be organized the better.
5042[12:19 AM] Ike: Hey, on that topic, I've always been looking to revive my UCR, Nesapo :stuck_out_tongue:
5043[12:19 AM] Ike: Or Grand Central
5044[12:19 AM] Ike: But the idea of a government-in-exile is worth considering
5045[12:19 AM] Ike: It can't end the way it did in Osiris, though.
5046[12:19 AM] Vapid: don't revive grand central
5047[12:19 AM] Ike: The difference here is that most of the guardians are on our side.
5048[12:20 AM] Vapid: that place deserves to rest forever
5049[12:20 AM] Ike: Fair enough.
5050[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Quick check: there is a law saying someone running in an election can't administer it, isn't there?
5051[12:20 AM] Ike: Let me check
5052[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Waaaait
5053[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion adminned last election
5054[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He also ran for CB
5055[12:20 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): We CANNOT let Funk admin this election
5056[12:20 AM] Ike: Interesting.
5057[12:21 AM] Vapid: how do you propose to prevent him?
5058[12:21 AM] Vapid: Without seeming biased?
5059[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amend
5060[12:21 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It's just common sense, there's no case I can think of to be opposed to amending it that way
5061[12:22 AM] Ike: I can't find a specific law saying that, but maybe someone can do a better job at me in finding one
5062[12:22 AM] Vapid: Accusations of bias against funk
5063[12:22 AM] Vapid: We'd be the bad guys here
5064[12:22 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Would be in the elections act
5065[12:22 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): How? It's not specifically against funk
5066[12:23 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Look: given all the other amendments I've just proposed, it's reasonable to say I'm going through our laws making sure they all make sense
5067[12:23 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I happened to notice there's no law against this, it's obviously unnacceptable
5068[12:24 AM] Vapid: It's not specifically against funk
5069[12:24 AM] Vapid: and obviously you do have the best intentions
5070[12:24 AM] Vapid: but that's not how it'd be construed
5071[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Of course not, but does "they're trying to block funk from administering the elections he's running in" make any sense?
5072[12:25 AM] Ike: Indeed
5073[12:25 AM] Ike: The circumstance only benefits our logic
5074[12:25 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Also are we sure Funk is running at this point?
5075[12:25 AM] Ike: I mean, he probably would
5076[12:26 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Given lamb is so high in endos
5077[12:26 AM] Ike: We're running Somy against whoever
5078[12:26 AM] Chanku: Unless he just plans to outright coup at the start of elections
5079[12:26 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Might this not be a hint that they're going to try for some sort of switch?
5080[12:26 AM] Ike: A coup changes everything, and probably for our benefit
5081[12:26 AM] Wintermoot: He'd do best for himself to coup now or at the end of elections if he loses
5082[12:26 AM] Ike: We'd get open defender support and we're par for the influence battle
5083[12:29 AM] Chanku: Alright.
5084[12:29 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll propose the amendment in the morning
5085[12:30 AM] Chanku: Alright, and so any coup attempt will take a while to complete I presume?
5086[12:30 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Hopefully.
5087[12:31 AM] Ike: Aye
5088[12:34 AM] Vapid: we're in a game of chess stacked slighty against us atm
5089[12:34 AM] Vapid: We've not lost our queen nor our knights yet, though
5090[12:35 AM] Chanku: yeah
5091[12:42 AM] Ike: @here https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=857612 Upvote squad GO
5092[12:42 AM] Ike: Post proper here:
5093[12:42 AM] Ike: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=418902&f=12&view=unread#p32188005
5094[12:54 AM] Atlantica: Funk stated in the government chat that he intended to run for reelection this term and the next term (after which he's term-limited), but he could have certainly changed his mind
5095[1:00 AM] Ike: We need to work on building up our candidacy
5096[1:01 AM] Chanku: I've also got some reform ideas for after this (because, let's be honest, there will probably be some reform after this is all said and done...hopefully Lazarus will be successfully protected).
5097[1:02 AM] Chanku: (Although let's not discuss that now, putting the cart before the horse and all that)
5098[1:03 AM] Vapid: well, no
5099[1:03 AM] Vapid: that's a good thing
5100[1:04 AM] Vapid: being for something is more important than being against something
5101[1:04 AM] Chanku: My stuff?
5102[1:04 AM] Chanku: (the ideas that is)
5103[1:05 AM] Wintermoot: prepares himself for a rehashing of everything he's opposed in Wintreath :P
5104[1:06 AM] Chanku: If anything I bring it closer to Wintreath (besides Wintreath and Lazarus are two different regions, in two different states of functionality as it were)
5105[1:06 AM] Omega: Atlantica you do know you just committed espionage right?(edited)
5106[1:06 AM] Chanku: (I mean not entirely, but some of the ideas do)...well primarily one(edited)
5107[1:07 AM] Chanku: If anyone wants to talk about the reform stuff, I guess we could discuss somewhere (although I'm not entirely sure in general would be the best place)
5108[1:07 AM] Ike: "Gathering private government material with the intention of using or distributing them to any entities not sanctioned by the relevant government body responsible for the material or the Court."
5109[1:08 AM] Ike: This isn't private government material, this is a personal statement
5110[1:09 AM] Ike: We have to accept, as well, that in our endeavor we may meet challenges when people can try and misconstrue our efforts as crimes. Minor violation of the law is a risk we have to be willing to take given the blatant violation of the most sacrosanct principles of the CMA by the other side. We need only to keep our principles in sight and ensure we don't stoop to a low level
5111[1:10 AM] Lenlyvit: 
5112
5113
5114[1:10 AM] Lenlyvit: Tell me what you think?
5115[1:10 AM] Ike: What about it?
5116[1:10 AM] Lenlyvit: Two of the endos Funk picked up
5117[1:11 AM] Lenlyvit: Their regional movements(edited)
5118[1:12 AM] Vapid: the first is more likely to be
5119[1:12 AM] Ike: Seems the only person he endorsed was the Delegate
5120[1:13 AM] Vapid: hm
5121[1:13 AM] Vapid: maybe not then
5122[2:30 AM] Amerion: Whew. Literally, just as the stewardess was coming around to check if we had our seatbelts buckled, I said a loud fuck and I think I was red with mild shaking. If it had been an American airline ...
5123[2:30 AM] Ike: xD
5124[2:31 AM] Pherttsylvania: Were you not drunk enough to fly comfortably?
5125[2:31 AM] Amerion: Haha
5126[2:31 AM] Amerion: Anyways, is the message defs gone
5127[2:32 AM] Amerion: @Ike  if you had deleted the server, would the messages still be visible?
5128[2:32 AM] Pherttsylvania: It was deleted, I don't see any trace left
5129[2:32 AM] Vapid: it is gone, I checked, amerion
5130[2:32 AM] Ike: Deleted the server?
5131[2:33 AM] Amerion: Thank god  @Vapid @Vapid
5132[2:33 AM] Vapid: I am now vapidvapid
5133[2:33 AM] Vapid: the raider chief
5134[2:33 AM] Vapid: all hail
5135[2:33 AM] Amerion: @Ike Yes, if I couldn't delete the comment. I couldn't originally, I think there is like a 5 second delay before you can delete messages
5136[2:40 AM] Ike: I don't think they'd have been visible, no
5137[2:41 AM] Atlantica: What was contained in this message, if I may ask?
5138[2:42 AM] Ike: Only the link to our channel
5139[2:43 AM] Ike: For general security, I've now put in a bit of a checkpoint in case we receive new people who aren't supposed to be here
5140[2:45 AM] Atlantica: Ah, OK
5141[2:45 AM] Amerion: So new people would get to the Atrium. Can't see Underground. Would need your masking to do so?
5142[2:45 AM] Ike: I'm revising this a little bit
5143[2:46 AM] Ike: Everyone with the 'trusted' tag can go into the underground
5144[2:49 AM] Amerion: Ah okay
5145[2:50 AM] Amerion: Also
5146[2:50 AM] Amerion: 
5147
5148[2:50 AM] Ike: I saw.
5149[2:50 AM] Amerion: Any clue who he is referring to?
5150[2:50 AM] Ike: Yes.
5151[2:50 AM] Ike: Let's not talk about this here.
5152[2:51 AM] Chanku: I wonder where he got them from...unless someone else joined that we didn't notice...
5153[2:55 AM] Chanku: Wait I misread everything
5154[2:56 AM] Ike: Pierconium states that Sygian's information is 'outdated', I'm inclined to agree.
5155[2:56 AM] Chanku: Oh?
5156[2:56 AM] Ike: As I said, let's not talk about this here.
5157[2:57 AM] Chanku: Fair enough
5158[2:57 AM] Seraph: Morning. Can anyone give me a status update?
5159[2:57 AM] Ike: Everything has gone to shit :stuck_out_tongue:
5160[2:59 AM] Seraph: Well, you get points for concision at least. :P
5161[2:59 AM] Ike: It's an interesting time. Progress is being made
5162[2:59 AM] Seraph: Cool.
5163[3:00 AM] Amerion: @Seraph which is your WA? Just want to make sure I've endorsed it
5164[3:07 AM] Seraph: Terephah
5165[3:07 AM] Amerion: All g. Thanks :)
5166[3:11 AM] Seraph: Ooh, I got about 33 endorsements overnight.
5167[9:08 AM] Omega: Welcome to Laz
5168[9:26 AM] Omega: I'm sitting at 19th in the region and I move here a few days ago
5169[10:21 AM] Lenlyvit: I had 68 before I resigned
5170[10:31 AM] Seraph: Well, I'm up to 49, now.
5171[10:32 AM] Vapid: :thumbsup:
5172[11:46 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 
51731) The Election Commissioner determined by deliberation with their fellow commissioners to have the least conflict of interest in the election will officiate the election.
5174If there is only one commissioner at the time of the election they will serve by default.
5175If all available commissioners find themselves to have irreconcilable conflicts of interest they may ask the Convenor, or the Holy Prelate when applicable to appoint another commissioner.
5176[11:47 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Amerion we'll need you to push against Funk administrating the election as you're the only other EC I know of
5177[11:50 AM] Vapid: Amerion has about equal Conflict of Interest, so I would be cautious
5178[12:02 PM] Vapid: Eviononet and Eara Vorti both resigned
5179[12:03 PM] Vapid: Septimanian marches seems to be the oddball of the group
5180[12:03 PM] Vapid: Perhaps a troll
5181[12:06 PM] Vapid: It seems he's being too obvious intentionally
5182[12:06 PM] Vapid: And refuses to stop tarting, even in light of ridicule
5183[12:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Vapid how does amerion have equal CoI?
5184[12:30 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He's not running afaik
5185[12:34 PM] Vapid: He's not? I thought he was.
5186[12:34 PM] Vapid: Disregard my advice >->(edited)
5187[1:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Another one
5188
5189[1:14 PM] Vapid: only endorsing the sovereign
5190[1:14 PM] Vapid: but not unheard of in GCRs
5191[1:14 PM] Ike: Just created?
5192[1:14 PM] Ike: Figure out movement history
5193[1:16 PM] Seraph: The issue answering suggests that it's only just been created
5194[1:16 PM] Seraph: Although they changed their leader name, so maybe not.
5195[1:16 PM] Ike: Dig deeper
5196[1:20 PM] Seraph: Founded last august.
5197[1:29 PM] Seraph: No other activity in the last 24 hours or so... checking to see if there's any obvious sign of another nation resigined WA just before they joined.
5198[1:37 PM] Seraph: And... giving up.  I don't have the tools/patience and I need to cook dinner.
5199[1:38 PM] Vapid: F
5200[1:43 PM] thechurchofsatan: I would recommend Svez be the EC. He's about the only person in Lazarus that has shown himself to be remotely impartial.
5201[1:45 PM] thechurchofsatan: I'm sure even if Funk doesn't serve as EC he will insist on EW being EC instead.
5202[2:04 PM] Lenlyvit: Founded last August and was in the WA in TP until January, when it resigned and moved to Laz
5203[2:04 PM] Ike: Seems legit
5204[2:05 PM] Ark: Svez would be a great EC, but the heat is on him too much right now. The second he suggests it, someone's going to scream NPO and get him demoted.
5205[2:09 PM] Ike: What about Kanglia? He's proven himself as active and dedicated and doesn't seem to be very controversial
5206[2:12 PM] Lenlyvit: He's also TGW
5207[2:12 PM] Ike: Remind me again who the current commissioners are? Amerion, netural, Funk, a raider, and... ?
5208[2:13 PM] Lenlyvit: No clue
5209[2:19 PM] Lenlyvit: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=orangevill anyone know who this is?
5210[2:19 PM] Lenlyvit: The world senses says its the most influential nation in Laz, but it was just refounded
5211[2:20 PM] Ike: Endorsed no one yet, so give it time
5212[2:20 PM] Ark: Might still have influence left over from the region it CTE'd in.
5213[2:22 PM] Lenlyvit: It was in Laz
5214[2:23 PM] Lenlyvit: 
5215
5216[2:23 PM] Ike: Looks harmless
5217[2:23 PM] Ike: 
5218
5219[2:24 PM] Ike: @here May be of some relevance...
5220[2:24 PM] Ark: What is up with this guy.
5221[2:25 PM] Ike: She's out of her mind
5222[3:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): wew
5223[3:37 PM] Vapid: wew lad
5224[3:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): anyway back to ECs
5225[3:37 PM] Ike: Yea
5226[3:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the existing ones afaik are only Amerion and Funk
5227[3:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): now that NR left
5228[3:37 PM] Ike: One raider, one neutral
5229[3:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Amerion may know better
5230[3:38 PM] Ike: They can't cry conspiracy if we're ony balancing the scales
5231[3:44 PM] Lenlyvit: One raider, one neutral, one defender. Seems fair to me
5232[3:44 PM] Ike: yup
5233[3:44 PM] Ike: @Kanglia Wanna be an election commissioner?
5234[3:45 PM] Kanglia: I'd be good with that, yeah.
5235[3:45 PM] Ike: I propose nominating him, if no one has any objections
5236[3:51 PM] Lenlyvit: 
5237
5238[3:51 PM] Lenlyvit: Didn't endo KK though
5239[3:52 PM] Vapid: Look at who endorsed them
5240[3:52 PM] Vapid: Does it match?
5241[3:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Ike can we... not
5242[3:53 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Amerion is fine. Why do we need to cause more controversy?
5243[3:54 PM] Kanglia: also reasonable, probably better to have Amerion than me
5244[3:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no offense to kanglia but no one in Laz knows you and it looks like we're just trying to get defenders in power :stuck_out_tongue:
5245[3:54 PM] Ike: I never meant to say we're replacing Amerion
5246[3:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I know
5247[3:54 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): but still why add another
5248[3:54 PM] Kanglia: That AND KK is not exactly a fan of mine
5249[3:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also..... Kanglia can't be an EC :stuck_out_tongue:
5250[3:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): 1) Any Councillor with Forum Administrator privileges may serve as an Election Commissioner.
5251
52522) If no Forum Administrator is available, any Guardian may serve as an Election Commissioner.
5253[3:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Kanglia, are you a secret forum admin
5254[3:55 PM] Kanglia: It'd be quite funny but no
5255[3:56 PM] Ike: Oh, I didn't even know that was a requirement
5256[3:56 PM] Ike: bonk
5257[3:56 PM] Ike: Who are the forum administrators aside from the aforementioned? Harm?
5258[3:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): harm + dyp
5259[4:00 PM] Ike: we should put up harm, she's trustworthy
5260[4:02 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): we don't need to put up anyone :stuck_out_tongue:
5261[4:02 PM] Ike: Can you run my tired mind through how ECs work again?
5262[4:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ECs run the elections; they must be Forum Admin, or if there are no forum admin available, Guardians
5263[4:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The Convenor, or if the convenor is not available, Holy Prelate, appoints the ECs
5264[4:04 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they then serve a lifetime term unless recalled
5265[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the EC with the least CoI administers the election
5266[4:05 PM] Vapid: Is conflict of interest a defined term?
5267[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no
5268[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "1) The Election Commissioner determined by deliberation with their fellow commissioners to have the least conflict of interest in the election will officiate the election."
5269[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): that's all we have
5270[4:05 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): "If there is only one commissioner at the time of the election they will serve by default.
5271If all available commissioners find themselves to have irreconcilable conflicts of interest they may ask the Convenor, or the Holy Prelate when applicable to appoint another commissioner."
5272[4:06 PM] Vapid: Okay, then funk will debate that term
5273[4:06 PM] Ike: This is interesting.
5274[4:06 PM] Vapid: Almost inevitably
5275[4:06 PM] Ike: Because Funk will want to be the officiator
5276[4:06 PM] Ike: And when Amerion disputes this
5277[4:06 PM] Ike: He'll try and take it to the Holy Prelate
5278[4:06 PM] Ike: We don't have a sitting Holy Prelate but he regards EW as such
5279[4:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he'll have to go the convenor first
5280[4:07 PM] Vapid: In other words
5281[4:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Svez can then appoint someone like h
5282[4:07 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): arm
5283[4:07 PM] Vapid: It's a question of whether we can exercise our legitimacy
5284[4:07 PM] Ike: I think we have solid ground to, as long as he doesn't pull any shit with EW as Prelate
5285[4:08 PM] Ike: He might try to get EW to arbitrate this even though he has no legal authority
5286[4:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): and we'll put up a fight
5287[4:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): because that's clearly not legal
5288[4:09 PM] Ike: indeed
5289[4:10 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Svez will have to be active for that battle, though
5290[4:10 PM] Ike: If he goes to the Convenor first, we're gucci
5291[4:10 PM] Ike: Yep
5292[4:10 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): the law says he does :p
5293[4:10 PM] Ike: "they may ask the Convenor, or the Holy Prelate"
5294[4:10 PM] Ike: Does that imply Convenor primacy strongly enough?
5295[4:10 PM] Ike: not in my opinion
5296[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ... "the holy prelate when applicable
5297[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): meaning down below:
5298[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If the Office of Convenor is vacant, or the Convenor cannot be contacted for more than seven (7) days the Holy Prelate may appoint an Election Commissioner.
5299[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so yeah
5300[4:11 PM] Ike: ah, beautiful
5301[9:49 PM] Ike: Alright, any ideas for what to do this evening? :stuck_out_tongue:
5302[9:53 PM] Doperland: Ask funk nicely to step down?
5303[9:54 PM] Ike: I like your style.
5304[9:56 PM] Chanku: Why don't we take Lazarus and push it somewhere else?
5305[9:56 PM] Ike: I propose we coup the North Pacific
5306[9:56 PM] Kanglia: Best idea I've heard in years
5307[9:56 PM] Morozovia: Lol
5308[9:57 PM] Chanku: No....even better the Pacific, it is original and the best idea ever!!!!!!111
5309[9:57 PM] Doperland: But isn't TNP the place with the Delegate with 1000+ endos?
5310[9:57 PM] Kanglia: I think we should just coup Balder
5311[9:57 PM] Chanku: ^
5312[9:57 PM] Kanglia: Give somebody a reason to talk about it
5313[9:57 PM] Doperland: Why choose? Coup them all!
5314[9:58 PM] Kanglia: ^
5315[9:58 PM] Ike: Gold medal for you!
5316[9:58 PM] Ike: Oh, by the way
5317[9:58 PM] Ike: @here LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS
5318Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.07/22/2017
5319[9:59 PM] Lenlyvit: What happened now?
5320[9:59 PM] Ike: Just a general word of advice.
5321[9:59 PM] Doperland: Excuse me as I take a couple hundred screenshots and send them to funk
5322[9:59 PM] Ike: Bastard!
5323[9:59 PM] Chanku: Doperland is obviously a clown, they will destroy us all
5324[9:59 PM] Chanku: destroy us all
5325[10:00 PM] Chanku: destroy us all
5326[10:00 PM] Chanku: destroy us all
5327[10:00 PM] Doperland: Ok Billy
5328👌1
5329[10:00 PM] Ike: All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5330[10:00 PM] Ike: All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5331[10:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): awhat
5332[10:00 PM] Ike: All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5333All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5334All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5335All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5336All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5337All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5338All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5339All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5340All work and no play makes Ike a dull boy
5341[10:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): no variation
5342[10:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): sad.
5343[10:01 PM] Ike: >_>
5344[10:02 PM] Morozovia: Uh... Pokemon.. Uh.. is about fighting the oppressors. They can't catch us all!
5345[10:14 PM] Curious Observations: @Ike Loose lips can sink ships, indeed.
5346[10:15 PM] Curious Observations: And I think they may have at least put a hole in this one. It's not a hole that cannot be patched, but a hole nonetheless.
5347[10:15 PM] Curious Observations: My non-sensical philosophical rambling of the day, for what it's worth.
5348[10:16 PM] Ike: We lost a swivel gun but the broadsides are intact. Let's patch up the hull and avoid running into any more reefs.
5349[10:16 PM] Chanku: I'm thoroughly confused now :neutral_face:
5350[10:31 PM] Vapid: fuck the lone wolves coming straight from the underground
5351[10:31 PM] Chanku: ?
5352[10:35 PM] Ike: Fendas With Attitude (FWA)
5353[10:36 PM] Vapid: Straight outta Lazarus
5354[10:36 PM] Ike: Wait better
5355[10:36 PM] Ike: NWA
5356[10:37 PM] Ike: Natives With Attitude
5357[10:42 PM] thechurchofsatan: The Dead Lazarenes - Take This Delegacy and Shove It(edited)
5358[10:43 PM] thechurchofsatan: Triumph of the Minnow
5359Democracy For Sale
5360[10:44 PM] Chanku: You know what we should do? We should solve this simply by having two representatives play cookie clicker, whoever can get Portals first wins.
5361[10:46 PM] Vapid: everyone knows that battle by pool noodle is the only acceptable way to settle duels
5362[10:46 PM] Vapid: An art long forgotten by many
5363[10:46 PM] Vapid: in fact, francos spain was a noodling champion
5364[10:46 PM] Vapid: It was his expertise in aquatic spaghettiing that allowed Pacifica to rise to power
5365[10:47 PM] Chanku: I thought it was having two wacky wavy inflatable arm-flailing tubemen fight it out?
5366[10:48 PM] thechurchofsatan: Due to a shipping error we are overstocked with wacky wavy inflatable arm-flailing tubemen.
5367[10:48 PM] Chanku: Then it's the perfect way to duke it out!
5368[10:48 PM] Chanku: get rid of two and solve our issues!(edited)
5369[11:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I officially challenge Lamb to a pool noodle duel.
5370[11:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Time to whack some of those gains straight outta the water
5371[11:00 PM] Vapid: you're too young
5372[11:00 PM] Vapid: He knows the linguine method
5373[11:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Nooooooo!~
5374[11:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I use Rotini myself
5375[11:01 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Twist em up like a boa constrictor
5376July 23, 2017
5377[12:22 AM] Curious Observations: "Fendas With Attitude (FWA)"
5378[12:22 AM] Curious Observations: Yeah let's not make it about alignment.
5379[12:22 AM] Curious Observations: That's the rhetoric being used to delegitimise the movement.
5380[12:26 AM] Vapid: I think we need more serious posts about our plans.
5381[12:26 AM] Vapid: Propaganda is nice
5382[12:27 AM] Vapid: but we need a good, hard public face
5383[12:27 AM] Vapid: About what our manifesto is
5384[12:27 AM] Ike: That was the intention with the latest post
5385[12:27 AM] Vapid: doesn't have to be everything
5386[12:27 AM] Ike: That and the petition
5387[12:27 AM] Vapid: The petition was what we are against
5388[12:27 AM] Vapid: We need what we are for
5389[12:27 AM] Ike: Good point.
5390[12:27 AM] Vapid: Reform of government
5391[12:27 AM] Vapid: What sort of reform?
5392[12:28 AM] Ike: Reform that keeps our community safe from foreign infiltration
5393[12:28 AM] Vapid: How do we plan to accomplish that? Once again, not putting in any information that might trigger alarm bells in otherwise neutral regions
5394[12:28 AM] Vapid: as of now, most regions are neutral
5395[12:29 AM] Vapid: We want to keep them that way until if/when funk coups
5396[12:29 AM] Ike: Sane, sensible measures and legal reform (which we're already getting started on) to prove our good intent, of course
5397[12:30 AM] Vapid: post about those as they come along
5398[12:30 AM] Vapid: post about any obstacles we encounter, and what the issue was.
5399[12:30 AM] Vapid: Don't do it all in one night
5400[12:30 AM] Vapid: and don't do it every night
5401[12:31 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we not post about every little detail and all these laws we're doing?
5402[12:31 AM] Vapid: Not every detail
5403[12:31 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): It tires people out
5404[12:31 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I mean the readers
5405[12:31 AM] Ike: yeah
5406[12:31 AM] Vapid: True
5407[12:31 AM] Vapid: There's a minority that care about laws
5408[12:31 AM] Vapid: And I feel we're already appealing to that minority
5409[12:32 AM] Ike: And what's the majority, pray tell?
5410[12:32 AM] Vapid: They want excitement, to be honest
5411[12:32 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): If we start posting about these proposals and such as our own bloc's effort, then we immediately lose the support of people in the other bloc who seem to be supporting them rn
5412[12:32 AM] Ike: I won't have excitement that debases our legitimacy and undermines our support
5413[12:33 AM] Vapid: As I've talked to people, those would welcome a coup by funkadelia do so because they don't see much activity being generated by folks on this side
5414[12:33 AM] Ike: Yes, we can't give them a reason to oppose for the sake of opposition
5415[12:33 AM] Ike: And we are the more active side by far right now. How do you suggest we flaunt that?
5416[12:33 AM] Vapid: We need positive activity
5417[12:34 AM] Vapid: Funk is relying on the negative activity a coup situation would provide
5418[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Basically do lamb's job for him
5419[12:34 AM] Ike: yep
5420[12:34 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Do lots of regional growth stuff
5421[12:35 AM] Vapid: Next question
5422[12:35 AM] Vapid: what can I do, as a citizen who is a part of, like, nothing
5423[12:35 AM] Vapid: (personal question here, sorry)
5424[12:36 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): You into RP at all?
5425[12:36 AM] Vapid: I can be.
5426[12:36 AM] Vapid: Let me put it this way: I have experience, but the place I got that experience from burnt me out
5427[12:37 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ah
5428[12:37 AM] Ike: heh
5429[12:37 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Well if you're up for it ping Atlantica and get that rolling
5430[12:37 AM] Vapid: @Atlantica you got RP stuff for me?
5431[12:39 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Here's my suggestion for our activity course of action:
5432- get RP going 
5433- maybe I can set up an endotarting program because that's been gone for a while
5434- write some regional guides, send out regional TGs
5435[12:39 AM] Ike: Also, be active in the Discord of the region
5436[12:39 AM] Ike: Activity's no good if only the effects are visible
5437[12:40 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Then at the end of the week or so publish a TLG article talking about "in calmer news..." and all the things we've done
5438[12:40 AM] Vapid: ^
5439[12:40 AM] Vapid: Post maybe a tidbit about all the legislation we've been supporting
5440[12:40 AM] Vapid: no more than a paragraph, though
5441[12:41 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Aye
5442[12:41 AM] Ike: I like it
5443[12:41 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I'll do the WA stuff and maybe a regional TG tomorrow
5444[12:42 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Other people get to work on the RP
5445[12:42 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Idk if @Amerion's off mobile enough to write another of the Am's musings articles :stuck_out_tongue:
5446[12:43 AM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The proposed legislation can go up to vote iirc tomorrow
5447[7:20 AM] Andrew: i just noticed Starberries made some commentary
5448[9:39 AM] Amerion: I am concerned that waiting until the 8th will lose us momentum
5449[9:53 AM] Amerion: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) , you have an idea for the article?
5450[9:58 AM] Amerion: @Andrew , yeah, good on her
5451[3:12 PM] Lenlyvit: @Somyrion (Aumelodia) who takes over the responsibilities of the FA Archdiocese if we don't have one?
5452[3:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Sovereign
5453[3:12 PM] Ike: I think the Bishops? If there were any?
5454[3:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): there weren't
5455[3:12 PM] Ike: Right
5456[3:12 PM] Ike: But it's irrelevant because Ark is still technically the Archbishop
5457[3:12 PM] Ike: If Funk tries to appoint someone soon, we oppose it on that ground.
5458[3:13 PM] Lenlyvit: How is Ark still the Archbishop? Funk removed him
5459[3:14 PM] Ike: Funk didn't have the power to do that, as it turns out.
5460[3:14 PM] Ike: That's the Celestial Being's job
5461[3:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Oooohhhhh
5462[3:14 PM] Lenlyvit: Nice!
5463[3:15 PM] Lenlyvit: Wait
5464[3:15 PM] Lenlyvit: Where did Ark go????
5465[3:15 PM] Ike: He left yesterday
5466[3:15 PM] Ike: He's coming back though
5467[3:15 PM] Ike: Speak of the devil
5468[3:15 PM] Lenlyvit: Ack
5469[3:15 PM] Lenlyvit: Heh
5470[3:15 PM] Lenlyvit: Lolol
5471[3:15 PM] Ark: Guess who's baaaaack
5472[3:15 PM] Ike: Back again
5473[3:16 PM] Lenlyvit: Back in black
5474[3:16 PM] Ark: No Len what the fuck
5475[3:16 PM] Ike: Fuck off Len
5476[3:16 PM] Morozovia: Sorry guys, been busy with garage sale s but in all support and help in any way I can
5477[3:16 PM] Ark: It's an Eminem song
5478[3:16 PM] Lenlyvit: Lololololol
5479[3:16 PM] Ike: Alright, so to get you up to speed @Ark
5480[3:16 PM] Ike: We're not publicizing this illegality quite yet
5481[3:16 PM] Ark: Alright.
5482[3:16 PM] Ike: TSP is trying to get Funk to negotiate with us
5483[3:16 PM] Lenlyvit: Ark, can't you legally still accept Yuno's application for ambassadorship?
5484[3:16 PM] Ike: We're going to outline some demands
5485[3:17 PM] Ike: If he won't hear us, or won't compromise, we'll fire the artillery again.
5486[3:17 PM] Ark: Fair enough.
5487[3:17 PM] Ark: I suppose I can. @Lenlyvit link it
5488[3:18 PM] Lenlyvit: 13 pages to read :(
5489[3:18 PM] Ike: :heart:
5490[3:18 PM] Lenlyvit: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10257941/1/#new
5491[3:18 PM] Ike: Also @Ark Can you read the message history of this channel before you re-joined?
5492[3:18 PM] Ark: No.
5493[3:18 PM] Ike: Good.
5494[3:18 PM] Ark: >.>
5495[3:18 PM] Ike: It's a security measure lol
5496[3:18 PM] Ike: Just making sure it works
5497[3:19 PM] Ark: Fair enough.
5498[3:20 PM] Ark: Inb4 "hey lets invite Ark back and do something evil to him lolol"
5499[3:20 PM] Ike: lel
5500[4:37 PM] Omega: Wait why did Ark leave?
5501[8:23 PM] Amerion: Because NPO issued a gag order
5502July 24, 2017
5503[9:22 AM] Lenlyvit: It died here pretty quickly. Is the revolution dead?
5504[9:22 AM] Ark: It's been one day...
5505[9:27 AM] Vapid: We're just waiting
5506[12:28 PM] Amerion: @here
5507[12:29 PM] Amerion: Things have just happened
5508[12:29 PM] Omega: It happened?(edited)
5509[12:29 PM] Omega: What?
5510[12:30 PM] Ark: @Amerion ?
5511[12:30 PM] Vapid: oh my god
5512[12:30 PM] Vapid: The coup
5513[12:30 PM] Ark: WHAT
5514[12:30 PM] Omega: I saw the TG
5515[12:31 PM] Amerion: I've just been banned from Laz
5516[12:31 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): wha
5517[12:31 PM] Ark: Fuck.
5518[12:32 PM] Ark: He actually did it.
5519[12:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): damn
5520[12:33 PM] Ark: So
5521[12:33 PM] Ark: Uhhh
5522[12:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hey, isn't this what we wanted
5523[12:33 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
5524[12:33 PM] Omega: I'll rally TSP
5525[12:33 PM] Ark: Does this mean we win? :stuck_out_tongue:
5526[12:34 PM] Ark: lol
5527[12:34 PM] Ark: Do it
5528[12:34 PM] Ark: NOW
5529[12:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Harm, dope, and winter were also ejected
5530[12:34 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
5531[12:35 PM] Omega: Holy fuck
5532[12:35 PM] Ark: He ejected Harm?
5533[12:35 PM] Ark: @harmoneia @Doperland @Wintermoot MOVE BACK INTO LAZARUS
5534[12:35 PM] Ark: A S A P
5535[12:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yeah
5536[12:36 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): completely shot his influence
5537[12:37 PM] Omega: Yep that
5538[12:37 PM] Seraph: Welll, this has really helped boost my regional ranking for endos. :stuck_out_tongue:
5539[12:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): who's still in the region
5540[12:37 PM] Ark: lol
5541[12:37 PM] Wintermoot: I moved back, but I think it was too late
5542[12:37 PM] Ark: Me
5543[12:37 PM] Ark: Probably.
5544[12:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I am
5545[12:37 PM] Seraph: Moi aussi.
5546[12:37 PM] Omega: @Seraph @Griffindor and @Amerion we need to rally TSP
5547[12:37 PM] Ark: His influence is shot now though
5548[12:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): so who're we telling people to endo
5549[12:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Lamb & KK though
5550[12:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they still have a lot
5551[12:37 PM] Amerion: He used KK to ban me
5552[12:38 PM] Omega: I'm at 97 endos
5553[12:38 PM] Amerion: So, KK's influence is gone
5554[12:38 PM] Seraph: I'm at 79.
5555[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh
5556[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): good
5557[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Seconds ago: Funkadelia revoked posting privileges on the Lazarus Regional Message Board from nations in embassy regions.
5558[12:38 PM] Omega: Shit
5559[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he's really going full-on
5560[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ":P
5561[12:38 PM] Omega: Yep
5562[12:38 PM] Amerion: What is our respone???
5563[12:38 PM] Omega: This plays to our narrative right?
5564[12:38 PM] Ark: Yes.
5565[12:38 PM] Ark: Hold on
5566[12:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes.
5567[12:39 PM] Amerion: @Ike  u on?
5568[12:39 PM] Ark: @Ike you got the TG stamps now is the time fucking use them.
5569[12:42 PM] Seraph: Lamb talks about a TG in his post on the RMB, any of the others still in the region receive it?
5570[12:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I recieved it
5571[12:42 PM] Ark: I received it.
5572[12:42 PM] Amerion: Screenshot pls
5573[12:42 PM] Omega: I love how I'm about to be charged with crimes.
5574[12:42 PM] Seraph: I haven't, yet
5575[12:42 PM] Ark: 
5576
5577[12:42 PM] Omega: I think that is hilarious
5578[12:42 PM] Ark: 
5579
5580[12:42 PM] Ark: Sorry
5581[12:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Aumelodia, I have an urgent message regarding the security of our region!
5582Within the last 24 hours, we have received notice about an intention to undermine the legitimate government of our region and overthrow our democratically elected officials!
5583A small group of nations has made the decision to attempt this act of subversion and are seeking to destabilize our home, by forcefully removing me as delegate and enforcing their own illegitimate regime on the region. To prevent this, please make the following a top priority for you:
5584Please make sure you are endorsing the following nations: Funkadelia, Scum, and Killer Kitty.
5585At the same time, please unendorse the following nations: Doperland, Skadifron, Aumelodia, United Federated States of Omega, Ikania, Pherttsylvania, Wintermoot III, Amerion.
5586Again, it is of the highest priority that you ensure your endorsement is on the first list of nations and that you unendorsed the second list. The nations you will be unendorsing are part of the group of conspirators and it’s vital that they are unable to gain any ground.
5587If anyone telegrams you telling you to unendorse anyone other than those listed above, please let myself or Scum know about it. The group has planted many individuals into Lazarus who will try to deceive you.
5588I appreciate your help with this and here’s to hoping that we can swiftly take care of this issue and continue on together!
5589Your elected Sovereign and loyal resident,
5590Funkadelia
5591[12:42 PM] Ark: Out of order
5592[12:43 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): oh you already got it :stuck_out_tongue:
5593[12:43 PM] Seraph: I'm not on the list!
5594[12:44 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): lol
5595[12:44 PM] Omega: Sweet
5596[12:44 PM] Ark: Well
5597[12:44 PM] Ark: Shit
5598[12:44 PM] Ark: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=419439&sid=87eca5e613dfc7a7c36eab759fe6cdd7
5599[12:44 PM] Ark: They got out ahead of us with PR too.
5600[12:44 PM] Omega: Yeah that was quick
5601[12:44 PM] Vapid: fuck
5602[12:45 PM] Seraph: I mean, I haven't said anything on the forums, 'cos I didn't actually feel qualified/have the time, so that'd probably be why, but anyone checking who I had endorsed ought to have been suspicious.  Very sloppy.
5603[12:45 PM] Vapid: What's our next task
5604[12:45 PM] Vapid: We need to form an organized response
5605[12:45 PM] Vapid: the government of lazarus is now a government in exile.
5606[12:46 PM] Amerion: Someone here has leaked
5607[12:46 PM] Seraph: So it seems.
5608[12:46 PM] Ark: Indeed.
5609[12:46 PM] Wintermoot: Have you considered letting Funk run it into the ground?
5610[12:47 PM] Vapid: I mean, we knew that already
5611[12:47 PM] Omega: There is a leak
5612[12:47 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hm
5613[12:47 PM] Omega: But that is to expected. No group I ever been in in NS is water tight.
5614[12:47 PM] Wintermoot: You have 22 people here, and it's the people that matter.
5615[12:47 PM] Vapid: Maybe move more secure operations into a different channel, with only people who were gov't leaders
5616[12:48 PM] Omega: Sounds fair
5617[12:48 PM] Ark: The damage is done, tbh.
5618[12:49 PM] Ark: Funkadelia outplayed us. As did Evil Wolf and Lamb.
5619[12:49 PM] Wintermoot: Start a new region, go to another region...let Funk lord over a dead Lazarus
5620[12:49 PM] Ark: Now it looks like we were the ones trying to coup.
5621[12:49 PM] Omega: Yes it does
5622[12:49 PM] Ark: Indeed, I'm done with this.
5623[12:50 PM] Ike: Wait.
5624[12:50 PM] Ike: Wait one second.
5625[12:50 PM] Ike: @here Find as many posts as you can in this discord stating emphatically that we are NOT working towards a coup
5626[12:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
5627[12:51 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Ike - Last Saturday at 9:56 PM
5628I propose we coup the North Pacific
5629[12:51 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): there we go
5630[12:51 PM] Ike: xD
5631[12:52 PM] Ark: 
5632
5633[12:52 PM] Ark: Literally me saying: "No couping."
5634[12:53 PM] Omega: Followed by me making a Star Wars joke
5635[12:53 PM] Ark: lol
5636[12:53 PM] Ark: I kind of set it up tbh
5637[12:53 PM] Ark: I figured someone would say it.
5638[12:53 PM] Omega: Yep
5639[12:53 PM] Seraph: Can we re-frame the PR with Funk as Palpatine and Lamb as Vader
5640[12:53 PM] Seraph: actually, no, it's totally the other way around.
5641[12:53 PM] Omega: Sounds good
5642[12:54 PM] Omega: Sounds better
5643[12:54 PM] Seraph: "You were supposed to be the chosen one!"
5644[12:54 PM] Ark: Someone needs to illegitimize this article ASAP.
5645[12:54 PM] Vapid: No, no reframing PR
5646[12:55 PM] Vapid: This is serious
5647[12:55 PM] Amerion: 
5648
5649[12:55 PM] Ark: Post that Amerion
5650[12:55 PM] Ark: In the forum thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=419439&sid=87eca5e613dfc7a7c36eab759fe6cdd7
5651[12:55 PM] Ark: @Amerion
5652[12:55 PM] Amerion: Oh I will
5653[12:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): lol
5654[12:56 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): he's cherrypicking to make it mean something different ;P
5655[12:57 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): unendo funk et al
5656[12:58 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Doperland - 07/17/2017
5657As said before, we aren't throwing a coup.
5658[12:59 PM] Curious Observations: I would post the evidence not just in that thread, but also in a new thread for the extra publicity.
5659[1:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The Quantum Interference Device of Courlany
5660Seconds ago
5661So, what happened?
5662My inbox is full of messages... Reminds me of two years ago...
5663Courlany
5664[1:00 PM] Ike: Coup.
5665[1:03 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Kade W. Vasentius | Standby is here on our side
5666[1:03 PM] Ike: The mighty Kade Vasentius
5667[1:03 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Kade here
5668[1:03 PM] Amerion: Okay, I'll hold off because CO is better at waging a PR war
5669[1:06 PM] Seraph: Oh I so want to reply on the RMB, but then I'd probably get ejected...
5670[1:06 PM] Ike: Do you have influence?
5671[1:06 PM] Seraph: I'm only up to 'sprat'
5672[1:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Your cherry picking is unbelievable. [b]I challenge your mole to find one piece of evidence in our Discord to prove that we had any intention of purging anyone.
5673[1:06 PM] Ike: What's the number
5674[1:06 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ike fix your [b] tags :stuck_out_tongue:
5675[1:07 PM] Seraph: 477 spdr
5676[1:07 PM] Ike: yeesh
5677[1:07 PM] Curious Observations: Also, very important, anybody that only got ejected and not banjected should move back and begin endorsement swapping immediately.
5678[1:07 PM] Seraph: I did only move back to the region last week.
5679[1:07 PM] Ike: Good
5680Ike pinned a message to this channel. See all the pins.Last Monday at 1:07 PM
5681[1:08 PM] Ike: @here If you've been ejected instead of banned, move back and begin tarting immediately!
5682[1:08 PM] Curious Observations: I have not checked but I believe that is @Amerion at least
5683[1:08 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I'll move my WA shortly to assist
5684[1:08 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Also pulling Ding Dong down
5685[1:08 PM] Ike: And which one of you motherfuckers uses discord light
5686[1:08 PM] Amerion: Me
5687[1:08 PM] Ike: >_>
5688[1:08 PM] Vapid: banned
5689[1:08 PM] Amerion: Lol
5690[1:08 PM] Ike: swoosh
5691[1:09 PM] Vapid: Discord Dark master race
5692[1:09 PM] Vapid: 2017
5693[1:09 PM] Amerion: I made this joke in TSP already but: Discord Dark blackens the soul
5694[1:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Kade W. Vasentius | Standby thanks, lamb is not the master of ding dong after all >:)
5695[1:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): also
5696[1:09 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they've removed all our forum gov maskings
5697[1:09 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Ding dong is no more
5698[1:11 PM] Omega: Hey Res (SPSF general) wants in. Sound good?
5699[1:11 PM] Ike: Yeah he's peachy
5700[1:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): kicked from the laz discord >.>
5701[1:12 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): :stuck_out_tongue:
5702[1:13 PM] Seraph: I hadn't even bothered to join it again, since it was the most ujnpleasant part of being in Laz last time.
5703[1:13 PM] Seraph: Hey @Resentine
5704[1:13 PM] Resentine: Evening Ladies and Gentlefish.
5705[1:14 PM] Seraph: (I'm the fish, right?)
5706[1:14 PM] Ike: As an attack helicopter I feel discriminated against
5707[1:14 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Hmm my nation CTE'd
5708[1:14 PM] Vapid: Funk hasn't banned me yet
5709[1:14 PM] Vapid: I feel repressed
5710[1:14 PM] Resentine: Well, I'm a bloody Battlecruiser, so don't get your blades all up in a knot.
5711[1:15 PM] Ike: LMAO I was banned for saying 'don't shoot'
5712[1:15 PM] Resentine: He hasn't banned a good number of you, which is sort of lucky, given the first time around it was a total and complete purge.
5713[1:15 PM] Ike: Harm still has root admin does she not
5714[1:16 PM] Resentine: I don't think Harm would, considering they were B&E'd,
5715[1:16 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10258941/1/#new
5716[1:16 PM] Amerion: No, she does not
5717[1:16 PM] Amerion: Funk holds the root
5718[1:16 PM] Omega: Somy I love those charges.
5719[1:16 PM] Ike: Everyone shut up for a second.
5720
5721[1:16 PM] Ike: @Vapid was not included in the criminal charges.
5722[1:17 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Doperland got banned or something already?
5723[1:17 PM] Omega: Oh really?
5724[1:17 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Amerion's in TRR as well...
5725[1:18 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Harm too
5726[1:18 PM] Ike: @Amerion Post your counter-evidence to the whole 'unendorse' thing asap please
5727[1:18 PM] Kanglia: Well shit.
5728[1:18 PM] Vapid: I haven't had a chance to look at the thread
5729[1:18 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: (Also imma Laz cit too looks at masking)
5730[1:19 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Anyways moved my WA in to hopefully do something
5731[1:19 PM] Vapid: @Ike no, I'm in them?
5732[1:19 PM] Vapid: http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/topic/10258941/1/#new
5733[1:19 PM] Seraph: My first criminnal accusation in NS.  I feel like I should add it to my sig.
5734😃1
5735[1:19 PM] Ike: They were just edited.
5736[1:20 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Edited two minutes ago
5737[1:20 PM] Resentine: But still, you lot need some sort of official statement before all the Funk praise gets too piled on in the forums.
5738[1:20 PM] Vapid: I don't know
5739[1:20 PM] Omega: Agreed
5740[1:21 PM] Seraph: I don't even appear in the screenshots given as evidence...
5741[1:21 PM] Ike: The person who gave the logs has a list of members.
5742[1:21 PM] Ike: I'm working on an official statement
5743[1:22 PM] Resentine: And with that said, you'll also need to appoint a leader to this little shin-dig you got going.
5744[1:22 PM] Ike: Apparently that's me
5745[1:22 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: A statement should go out pretty soon, people in UDS and elsewhere are picking up the news
5746[1:23 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Fuck I'm banned as well
5747[1:23 PM] Omega: TSP is in disbelief because Seraph and I are accused of treason.
5748[1:24 PM] Vapid: Well
5749[1:24 PM] Vapid: It's pretty damn obvious this is a coup
5750[1:25 PM] Vapid: who are our treatied allies
5751[1:25 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Yeah...
5752[1:25 PM] Vapid: I'm not familiar with Lazarene law
5753[1:25 PM] Omega: TSP, TRR are the two I know of
5754[1:25 PM] Vapid: @thechurchofsatan I take it we can rely on you
5755[1:25 PM] Vapid: for TRR
5756[1:25 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I'm banned discord side but still have forum masking
5757[1:25 PM] Vapid: Same here...
5758[1:26 PM] Vapid: I have the accused masking now
5759[1:26 PM] Omega: CoS has said he will not involve TRR
5760[1:26 PM] Vapid: when I last checked it was citizen
5761[1:26 PM] Vapid: okay
5762[1:26 PM] Vapid: well nevermind
5763[1:26 PM] Omega: Oh I was banned from the discord
5764[1:26 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: All of y'all are getting that mask
5765[1:26 PM] Vapid: sorry for the ping
5766[1:26 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I got hit as well
5767[1:26 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Worst case we have the LCA server >_>
5768[1:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I've banned all of them from the LCA server :stuck_out_tongue:
5769[1:27 PM] Seraph: Apparently I'm still just in the cosmic council group.
5770[1:27 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): me too
5771[1:28 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I've got my LCA access cards still...
5772[1:28 PM] thechurchofsatan: TRR has to honor its treaty now. TRR will support you in any way it can.
5773[1:28 PM] Omega: Sweet
5774[1:29 PM] Omega: Can we get a statement on that
5775[1:29 PM] Kanglia: I will gather support as well.
5776[1:29 PM] thechurchofsatan: Already working on it.
5777[1:30 PM] Kanglia: Kade will you make a statement on the UDS discord about the importance of us helping
5778[1:30 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: @Kanglia On it
5779[1:30 PM] Kanglia: Thanks
5780[1:30 PM] Seraph: Oh, now I'm in the accused group... and I can't even reply to the accusations.
5781[1:30 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I've got access for now
5782[1:31 PM] Vapid: Kade, are you accused?
5783[1:31 PM] Vapid: I didn't see your name
5784[1:31 PM] Kanglia: I am
5785[1:31 PM] Vapid: If not, they wouldn't mask you as such
5786[1:31 PM] Seraph: Gah, I wish I felt better versed in all this.
5787[1:32 PM] Seraph: I'd so be writing a lengthy blog-style post by now...
5788[1:34 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I'm not yet
5789[1:34 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: UDS has been alerted; and we can get backup on standby
5790[1:36 PM] Phoenixium: Hello
5791[1:36 PM] Ike: hi
5792[1:36 PM] Vapid: you're a satanic bitch?
5793[1:36 PM] Vapid: Hi satanic bitch.
5794[1:36 PM] Vapid: I'm dad
5795[1:37 PM] Phoenixium: kk lel
5796[1:37 PM] Phoenixium: so what can I do to help
5797[1:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): endotarting is most important right now
5798[1:39 PM] Phoenixium: ok
5799[1:40 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Anyone we need to prioritize on endorsements
5800[1:40 PM] Ike: Cross up, motherfuckers.
5801[1:40 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: I'll base off Somy for now
5802[1:40 PM] Kanglia: isn't WA'd up yet well fuck,
5803[1:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Kade W. Vasentius | Standby http://s15.zetaboards.com/NSLazarus/pages/endorse
5804[1:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): if you have no endorsements rn that works well
5805[1:41 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Oooh that's a nice thing
5806[1:42 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Anyone not to endo? Besides the big three
5807[1:43 PM] Resentine: Generally? Probably anyone spewing Funk Loyalty lines. I recommend someone assemble a list.
5808[1:43 PM] Ike: We're working on it
5809[1:44 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Awesome
5810[1:44 PM] Ike: @here If someone can get me a list of WA nations seemingly imported to endorse Funk, that would be great
5811[1:44 PM] Phoenixium: praise Erdofunk
5812[1:49 PM] Phoenixium: 20 down, 100s more to go
5813[1:50 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): CONSPIRACY
5814
5815[1:50 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: >_>
5816[1:50 PM] Vapid: dundun dun
5817[1:51 PM] Vapid: Septimanian comes from Seven
5818[1:51 PM] Vapid: septimanian marches has two words
5819[1:51 PM] Vapid: seven-two=five
5820[1:51 PM] Vapid: Five letters in vapid
5821[1:51 PM] Vapid: Septimanian Marches is vapid confirmed
5822[1:51 PM] thechurchofsatan: Get a government in exile going people.
5823[1:51 PM] Vapid: ^^^
5824[1:51 PM] Ike: Alright, yeah.
5825[1:52 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: We assembling that here or elsewhere
5826[1:52 PM] Ike: Government in exile. Let's figure that out.
5827[1:52 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): okay
5828[1:52 PM] thechurchofsatan: Elect new, legal government officials,  including a sovereign.
5829[1:52 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: New offsite for that or?
5830[1:52 PM] Vapid: I think Somyrion should be the interim sovereign
5831[1:53 PM] Vapid: Offsite forums might be a bit much
5832[1:53 PM] Vapid: Could we just do it on discord?
5833[1:53 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Sure
5834[1:53 PM] Phoenixium: how long is it going to take for us to take back Lazarus?
5835[1:55 PM] Vapid: Possibly months.
5836[1:55 PM] Vapid: One thing we can't have is what happened with osiris
5837[1:56 PM] Vapid: where the government's legitimacy died because of inactivity
5838[1:56 PM] thechurchofsatan: I have an offsite forum if y'all want to use it.
5839[1:57 PM] Vapid: ooh.
5840[1:57 PM] Vapid: Might not be worth the setup though
5841[1:57 PM] thechurchofsatan: No setup required.
5842[1:58 PM] Vapid: perfect. Thank you.
5843[1:58 PM] thechurchofsatan: The design is...well not Lazarene but it's ready for use.
5844[1:58 PM] thechurchofsatan: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Wars_World/index/
5845[1:59 PM] Ike: oh jesus
5846[1:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): forums can be created easily :stuck_out_tongue:
5847[1:59 PM] Vapid: But the setup takes time
5848[1:59 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not really
5849[1:59 PM] Vapid: Depends on how good you want it to look
5850[2:00 PM] Vapid: I suppose
5851[2:00 PM] Vapid: I like to have all my ducks in order
5852[2:13 PM] Canton Empire: Needless to say, but this really sucks
5853[2:18 PM] Ike: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=858934 @here upvote go
5854[2:18 PM] Canton Empire: done
5855[2:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): done
5856[2:28 PM] Morozovia: done
5857[2:54 PM] Loftegen: Hello.
5858[2:54 PM] Canton Empire: Hey loft
5859[2:54 PM] Loftegen: 'Sup?
5860[2:55 PM] Ike: Welcome
5861[2:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Hey Loft
5862[2:55 PM] Canton Empire: Oh you know, just helping fight tyranny
5863[2:55 PM] Ike: Loft, join this server too
5864[2:55 PM] Ike: https://discord.gg/QAkQwm
5865INVITE EXPIRED
5866[2:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Posting this for permanent access: https://discord.gg/dw8KRmw
5867joined the-jump-gate
5868Lazarus
5869[2:55 PM] Canton Empire: Lamo
5870[2:55 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): too quick >>
5871[2:55 PM] Canton Empire: Lmao*
5872[3:03 PM] Lenlyvit: What the fuuuucckkk
5873[3:03 PM] Lenlyvit: What's the plan?
5874[3:05 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Great question
5875[3:05 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Looks like pile on loftgen for now
5876[3:05 PM] Morozovia: People's Revolution and ice cream
5877[3:05 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Gov in exile figures out everyting else
5878[3:06 PM] Ike: Pile on everyone who isn't part of the gang of three, of course
5879[3:09 PM] Lenlyvit: Is Alunya on our side?
5880[3:09 PM] Canton Empire: I don't know
5881[3:10 PM] Doperland: Alunya probably isn't on anyone's side.
5882[3:12 PM] Pherttsylvania: He's as purely neutral as anyone can be probably.
5883[3:13 PM] Lenlyvit: He's the closest thing we have to a lead. Someone should talk to him
5884[3:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
5885[3:13 PM] Ike: Can you do it, Somy?
5886[3:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): him? Alunya is a cat
5887[3:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Idk
5888[3:13 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): they never responded last time I TGed them'
5889[3:13 PM] Lenlyvit: He's literally the 4th highest endorsed nation
5890[3:15 PM] Doperland: Alunya hasn't been as active lately. I think he had some issues with people or something so he hasn't been around much.
5891[3:59 PM] Lenlyvit: The question is, who betrayed us?
5892[4:00 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Someone on discord light... that's all I can figure out
5893[4:02 PM] Canton Empire: Did someone get in here?
5894[4:03 PM] Vapid: I think we'd have noticed
5895[4:03 PM] Canton Empire: True
5896[4:03 PM] Vapid: likely to be one of us
5897[4:04 PM] Vapid: Probably me, if I were to accuse anyone
5898[4:08 PM] Lenlyvit: Who's sending out counter telegrams?
5899[4:08 PM] Lenlyvit: We need too
5900[4:09 PM] Canton Empire: Someone needs to get into Funk's good graces
5901[4:09 PM] Lenlyvit: Well, funk knows I hate him.... Sooooo
5902[4:10 PM] Canton Empire: SO who's it gonna be?
5903[4:11 PM] Pherttsylvania: I don't think it'd be any of us. We'd need someone uninvolved to act as a third party maybe.
5904[4:11 PM] Ike: That's a useless endeavor.
5905[4:11 PM] Ike: He knows we're all involved, and we make no effort to hide tha.
5906[4:11 PM] Vapid: If you wanted the delegacy at this point, you'd have to infiltrate LWU for years, probably
5907[4:12 PM] Vapid: all that time, partaking in raids, doing stuff with them
5908[4:12 PM] Lenlyvit: LWU isn't going to give up power
5909[4:12 PM] Vapid: ^
5910[4:12 PM] Lenlyvit: And no defenders are willing to come to bat either
5911[4:13 PM] Ike: We need defenders
5912[4:14 PM] Canton Empire: Lets see if Defender Unity is a thing
5913[4:15 PM] Vapid: I mean, it is
5914[4:17 PM] Vapid: I should hope they're helping
5915[4:18 PM] Vapid: It's very clearly a LWU coup.
5916[4:18 PM] Ryccia: Hello? I do hope I am not intruding
5917[4:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you are not :smile:
5918[4:19 PM] Ryccia: What is this red mask, if I could ask?
5919[4:20 PM] Vapid: You're a communist
5920[4:20 PM] Vapid: obviously
5921[4:20 PM] Vapid: Also, long time no see
5922[4:20 PM] Ryccia: If it is not my place to be here, you may kick me out if you wish
5923[4:20 PM] Ryccia: ?
5924[4:20 PM] Vapid: Cynosure
5925[4:20 PM] Ryccia: Oh. Hello then
5926[4:20 PM] Vapid: o/
5927[4:25 PM] Doperland: Um... Hello.
5928[6:59 PM] Svezjacael: inhales S'up?
5929[6:59 PM] Vapid: suh dude
5930[7:00 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): you missed a lot :stuck_out_tongue:
5931[7:00 PM] Svezjacael: Totally watching these dudes shred some waves bruh, wan some grass? 
5932
5933Yeah, I was busy working on other affairs sadly.
5934[7:00 PM] Vapid: RIP
5935[7:01 PM] Lenlyvit: RIP Lazarus 2017
5936[7:01 PM] Seraph: Lazarus is dead, long live Lazarus?
5937[7:01 PM] Svezjacael: Nah, Lazarus will always rise from the ashes.
5938[7:01 PM] Vapid: lol
5939[7:01 PM] Vapid: puns
5940[7:02 PM] Vapid: Lazarus is very fitting. Every time I look at what's happening, I wish I were dead for three days
5941[7:03 PM] Svezjacael: Only three?
5942[7:03 PM] Svezjacael: I'd go with 12
5943[7:05 PM] Morozovia: I give Funks coup maybe 5 days at most before everyone pours in with support
5944[7:05 PM] Svezjacael: He's already launched it?
5945[7:05 PM] Lenlyvit: For that, we need major numbers
5946[7:05 PM] Lenlyvit: Yes Svez
5947[7:05 PM] Lenlyvit: At minor
5948[7:06 PM] Morozovia: Everyone that's not a puppet sees past his prapaganda
5949[7:06 PM] Svezjacael: sigh always when I step out fit a day.
5950[7:06 PM] Lenlyvit: https://www.nationstates.net/region=Lazarus
5951[7:06 PM] Svezjacael: I saw that. My second mention in NSGP
5952[7:06 PM] Lenlyvit: All former Guardians were ejected and lost their endos
5953[7:07 PM] Svezjacael: Ouch.
5954[7:07 PM] Lenlyvit: But they sunk their own influence
5955[7:07 PM] Svezjacael: So now my severe propaganda article?
5956[7:07 PM] Svezjacael: lol
5957[7:10 PM] Ike: YES
5958[7:11 PM] Ike: edit, review, show me, then let's get it the fuck out :heart:
5959[7:11 PM] Chanku: I thought only a few guaridans were ejected
5960[7:11 PM] Svezjacael: Can do
5961[7:12 PM] Svezjacael: @Ike PM's? Don't want the infiltrator to see everything lol
5962[7:13 PM] Ike: :wink:
5963[7:14 PM] Morozovia: The majority of active councilors and guardian were black listed from basicly everything
5964[7:14 PM] Morozovia: @Chanku
5965[7:14 PM] Chanku: Ik
5966[7:16 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: Most of the LCA team still has access if we need to pull anything
5967[7:16 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: But yeah they took almost the entire citizenry
5968[7:18 PM] Atlantica: The article shouldn't published if it's still explicitly defender. I opposed making the militiary Independent when it was voted on and I still do now, but right now we need to avoid Defender rhetoric if we want support from Independents and Raiders.
5969[7:19 PM] Ike: ^
5970[7:21 PM] Svezjacael: I would edit it, but I actually just checked updates elsewhere and I'm unable to publicly comment anymore. So I'll invite somebody to take my article, edit it, and publish it themselves.
5971[8:22 PM] Svezjacael: So, I re-read the discussion in more detail, and I think I found a loophole that may make any claims a bit more...interesting. 
5972https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339185551494086657/339188226994470916/Screenshot_2017-07-24-18-33-07.png
5973According to this screen shot, the Holy Prelate of Lazarus, KK, has said "Discord is not covered under Lazarus law". This would mean because the entire movement that Ark's reasons for being removed have come from, the articles, and the movement that we Lazarene are taking against Funkadelia is not taking place in a place they can legally investigate. Because "Discord is not covered by Lazarene Law", their entire movement being (largely) Discord based, (sans a petition, which isn't illegal, and a news article which could just be chalked up to a shit post) the removals and ejection by Funkadelia and co as of late are not only a violation of their own laws, but they are legitimately considered a coup as it is Funk and Co ejecting others without trial for crimes committed in diplomatically immune channels. 
5974Using this, we need to make a point, capitalize on what their own HP said, and bring it to attention on NSGP, Discord, and The RMB. At least, if we're in agreement we want to follow that line of dialogue we need to do these things. At the least, somebody can take a large report based on this and use it as a largely pro-La Res propaganda piece.
5975
5976[8:23 PM] Lenlyvit: ^he's got a point @Ike
5977[8:23 PM] Ike: yes.
5978[8:23 PM] Ike: do that.
5979[8:26 PM] Morozovia: Bingo
5980[8:27 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: AYYY
5981[8:27 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: My post did something for once
5982[8:38 PM] Resentine: How exciting. The one day I appreciate one of good old EW's technicalities.
5983[9:34 PM] Ryccia: Good luck to you all
5984[9:34 PM] Omega: Thanks.
5985[11:18 PM] Vapid: what's happening?
5986[11:18 PM] Vapid: Anything?
5987[11:19 PM] Chanku: Well Hydra has declared support for Funk
5988[11:20 PM] Vapid: Does hydra matter?
5989[11:22 PM] Canton Empire: When was the last time Hyrda did something?
5990[11:22 PM] Chanku: A few minutes ago
5991[11:22 PM] Chanku: they declared their support for Funk
5992[11:22 PM] Canton Empire: Something important
5993[11:23 PM] Vapid: Back when Tom was there
5994[11:23 PM] Chanku: We still have to consider something
5995[11:23 PM] Resentine: Shame. I miss Tom.
5996[11:23 PM] Chanku: If they join with Funk it makes it look more and more like Raiders v Defenders
5997[11:23 PM] Chanku: which it isn't
5998[11:24 PM] Vapid: Tom is still here, Resentine
5999[11:24 PM] Vapid: ironically, with LWU
6000[11:24 PM] Resentine: Well, that's disappointing.
6001[11:24 PM] Resentine: I expected better from Tom.
6002[11:25 PM] Vapid: I mean, tom's motto is "We had to destroy the village in order to save it"
6003[11:25 PM] Vapid: It's his kind of org
6004[11:25 PM] Vapid: Chill most of the time
6005[11:25 PM] Vapid: but ambitious
6006[11:25 PM] Vapid: very ambitious
6007[11:26 PM] Vapid: And almost always successful
6008[11:26 PM] Vapid: Like, tom won't go tagging anymore
6009[11:26 PM] Vapid: but he's stayed up 14 nights in a row to banject libbers
6010[11:26 PM] Vapid: He's a different kind of raider than most folks are
6011[11:27 PM] Chanku: Wonder if he would support us at all.
6012[11:28 PM] Vapid: Unlikely(edited)
6013[11:28 PM] Vapid: given that he's LWU
6014[11:28 PM] Vapid: and that he likes drama
6015[11:29 PM] Chanku: Wouldn't him siding with us give him more drama?
6016[11:29 PM] Vapid: Not the kind he likes
6017[11:29 PM] Resentine: I mean, you have TSP with you. There's a reason we're a GCR of drama queens :P
6018July 25, 2017
6019[4:11 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Vapid are you available to WA up and tart in Laz?(edited)
6020[4:11 PM] Vapid: nope
6021[4:12 PM] Vapid: I'm in a sleeper op
6022[4:12 PM] Vapid: Which was complicated by Euro/TWP's invasion of my original choice
6023[5:04 PM] Chanku: We should change the name of this to The Resisty!
6024[7:03 PM] Chanku: So NPO made a statement
6025[7:03 PM] Canton Empire: Linky?
6026[7:04 PM] Chanku: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=419561
6027[7:11 PM] thechurchofsatan: 
6028 We should change the name of this to The Resisty!
6029
6030That's a stupid name. :stuck_out_tongue:
6031[7:11 PM] Chanku: Invader Zim man
6032[7:13 PM] Vapid: ^
6033[8:46 PM] Chanku: We are now the Resisty
6034[8:46 PM] Vapid: vive le resisty
6035[8:47 PM] Chanku: XD
6036[9:25 PM] thechurchofsatan: And I quoted the exact line that followed your reference. :stuck_out_tongue:
6037[9:26 PM] thechurchofsatan: I watched that show when it first aired. So I know Invader Zim, heh.
6038[9:26 PM] Chanku: Ah
6039[9:26 PM] Vapid: nice
6040[9:26 PM] Chanku: Yeah
6041[9:27 PM] Chanku: I'm also joining with a WA for the time being
6042[9:27 PM] Vapid: don't say which one it is
6043[9:27 PM] Vapid: and be discrete
6044[9:28 PM] Vapid: tarting might not be a great idea
6045[9:29 PM] Lenlyvit: 
6046
6047
6048
6049[9:29 PM] Lenlyvit: Especially because of this
6050[9:29 PM] Vapid: like
6051[9:29 PM] Vapid: jump and cross endo
6052[9:30 PM] Chanku: On who?
6053[9:30 PM] Vapid: Each other
6054[9:30 PM] Vapid: Like you would on defenses
6055[9:30 PM] Chanku: I already put WA on my Laz nation
6056[9:30 PM] Vapid: don't move in and tart
6057[9:30 PM] Chanku: (Which has been in Laz for a bit)
6058[9:30 PM] Lenlyvit: Vapid, that's a really stupid idea here and won't work
6059[9:30 PM] Lenlyvit: Just saying
6060[9:30 PM] Lenlyvit: Sorry
6061[9:31 PM] Chanku: SO just tart?
6062[9:31 PM] Vapid: I mean, it's a better bet than tarting
6063[9:32 PM] Vapid: What would you suggest @Lenlyvit?
6064[9:32 PM] Chanku: Let him Banject me
6065[9:33 PM] Lenlyvit: ^
6066[9:33 PM] Lenlyvit: Wastes his influence
6067[9:33 PM] Chanku: got banjected XD
6068[9:34 PM] Lenlyvit: Aannddd.... @Vapid I don't believe Chanku was accused of a crime, right?
6069[9:34 PM] Vapid: To be fair, he was never a citizen
6070[9:34 PM] Chanku: I was actually XD
6071[9:34 PM] Chanku: For the same charge as everyone else
6072[9:35 PM] Lenlyvit: You were charged?
6073[9:35 PM] Chanku: Yes
6074[9:35 PM] Vapid: as a non-citizen?
6075[9:36 PM] Lenlyvit: Dam. If you weren't, we could spin it as him still violating the mandate
6076[9:37 PM] Chanku: I'm a non-citizen
6077[9:37 PM] Chanku: and I was charged
6078[9:37 PM] Lenlyvit: That's not right :joy:
6079[9:38 PM] Lenlyvit: You can't be charged if you're not a citizen
6080[9:41 PM] Pherttsylvania: Sure you can. Charged for trying to be a non imported citizen during a time only accepting prescreened applicants.
6081[9:51 PM] Omega: Umm I'm not sure about the legality of a non-citizen being charged. I will look when I get home.
6082[9:53 PM] Pherttsylvania: I was being glib due to the circumstances, but I don't think it would be far from the truth unfortunately.
6083[9:53 PM] Pherttsylvania: Omega will figure out the actual question of legality.
6084[10:07 PM] Omega: Yeah I'm stuck in traffic
6085[11:21 PM] Omega: Okay so legally I think it is up to the Holy Prelate as to if they will accept charges against non-citizens. The only requirement is that you have to be a citizen to bring forth charges.
6086[11:22 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): @Omega want to work with me on a master list of all the illegal things they've done so we have a reference?
6087[11:23 PM] Omega: Ummm maybe...
6088[11:24 PM] Omega: I don't know if that is the best idea as I wuld likely be a judge should a trial ever happen.
6089July 26, 2017
6090[11:58 AM] Canton Empire: I'm starting to seriously doubt our ability to win
6091[12:01 PM] Andrew: y?
6092[12:01 PM] harmoneia: that's very encouraging
6093[12:01 PM] harmoneia: tnx
6094[12:06 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: ^
6095[12:22 PM] Canton Empire: I mean I just haven't seen a path to victory yet
6096[12:23 PM] Kanglia: The path to victory is often cluttered with failures and doubts
6097💯3
6098[12:23 PM] harmoneia: thank you Kanglia for your inspirational insight
6099[12:24 PM] Kanglia: Everything will become clearer & easier in time. I personally believe that this will become a battle of attrition, and that LWU will soon decide that they have something better to do than to purge a sinker
6100[12:25 PM] Kanglia: Funk will then be left with little support, and we can capitalize then. For now, we just cannot lose hope in each other and know that our cause is just and right
6101[12:25 PM] harmoneia: except LWU has nothing better to do
6102[12:25 PM] harmoneia: They're basically dead as an invader power
6103[12:25 PM] harmoneia: this is their way to be important again
6104[12:26 PM] Kanglia: Isn't that just sad. They are so pathetic they have to organize a coup from the inside in order to have a shred of importance in NS
6105[12:26 PM] Kanglia: tsk tsk
6106[12:26 PM] harmoneia: but yes keep strong
6107[12:27 PM] Kanglia: It's nowhere near over yet though Canton, it literally just started a couple of days ago, these things take time & effort & a will to succeed
6108[12:54 PM] Ryccia: Hold strong. Good luck to you all
6109[12:56 PM] Wintermoot: What exactly is winning?
6110[12:59 PM] Resentine: Please Remember: removing the NLO took weeks upon weeks to remove. It wasn't easy, and it never will be easy, to remove a coup. The fact that we have so many people here devoted to ending one is a success within itself. Now is not the time to lose hope, because you all have barely begun to fight back. We still have a long way to go, but, if we keep getting people as dedicated as the people already here, I believe we have more than a good chance of winning this ,out.
6111[1:00 PM] harmoneia: Wintermoot - Today at 12:56 AM
6112What exactly is winning? -> indeed. No matter what, we have already lost D:
6113[1:00 PM] harmoneia: we can only try to halt further damage
6114[1:01 PM] Wintermoot: Oh I dunno about that, I'd say we have the potential to do great things here...not everything has to be about who is delegate :stuck_out_tongue:
6115[1:01 PM] Resentine: ^
6116[1:01 PM] Wintermoot: When's the last time you've seen 27 people in a channel for a cause like this?
6117[1:02 PM] harmoneia: If you're suggesting that Funk will abandon LWU for the right thing
6118[1:02 PM] harmoneia: I dunno >_>
6119[1:02 PM] Wintermoot: Who cares about Funk? :stuck_out_tongue:
6120[1:03 PM] Resentine: Don't bet on it entirely, but hey, you never know. Funk could be the Next Hile and just walk away. Bu
6121[1:03 PM] Resentine: But*, until then, keep fighting.
6122[1:03 PM] Wintermoot: We can still make the community and government that Lazarus deserves
6123❤8
6124[1:03 PM] Resentine: Exactly
6125[1:04 PM] Wintermoot: Cause I can already tell you Funk will never do it
6126[1:06 PM] Andrew: how far back do u 2 go?
6127[1:07 PM] Wintermoot: Who 2?
6128[1:07 PM] Andrew: u and funk
6129[1:09 PM] Wintermoot: I can't say I've interacted with him much...he always disdained me unless he needed me or Wintreath for something, but I've observed him long enough to know that his main reason to be here is ego massaging and that he can't lead a community to activity to save his life.
6130[1:10 PM] Ryccia: Power corrupts. Absolutely
6131[1:11 PM] Wintermoot: But that's an opportunity for us ^-^
6132[1:11 PM] Andrew: i always hated that expression. It points blame away from the real cause
6133[1:13 PM] harmoneia: Funk and I go as far back as early PRL
6134[1:13 PM] harmoneia: and I've interacted with him a lot
6135[1:13 PM] harmoneia: can confirm what Wintermoot said
6136[1:13 PM] Andrew: he that bad?
6137[1:14 PM] Andrew: at generating activity i mean?
6138[1:14 PM] harmoneia: no
6139[1:14 PM] harmoneia: but, he usually doesn't care how something can harm activity, as much as he cares that everyone agrees and bows to him
6140[1:14 PM] Wintermoot: I can't recall anything he led that didn't end up dead. Even the FRA, as inactive as it wa befores, finally died off on his watch.
6141[1:15 PM] Wintermoot: *was before
6142[1:15 PM] Wintermoot: His previous stents as Delegate in Lazarus were lackluster at best
6143[1:16 PM] Andrew: so below mediocre but not shit :stuck_out_tongue:
6144[1:16 PM] Wintermoot: HIs only real accomplishment is having stumbled onto Stujenske's coup and complaining about the flag change, which started the whole NLO thing
6145[1:17 PM] Andrew: :joy:
6146[1:17 PM] Andrew: that is just so iconic
6147[1:17 PM] Andrew: his complaining actually did something :joy:
6148[1:17 PM] Wintermoot: It got him banned, if I remember correctly lol
6149[1:18 PM] Andrew: :stuck_out_tongue:
6150[1:19 PM] Wintermoot: I hear he drunkenly spins it as having saved Lazarus these days
6151[1:20 PM] harmoneia: that if it weren't for him, Laz would still be NLO
6152[1:20 PM] harmoneia: ie taking credit for Kazmr saving the day due to the fact that he made Kaz come back
6153[1:21 PM] Wintermoot: All hail the Savour of Lazarus! lol
6154[1:22 PM] Wintermoot: In any case, if this regime does any actual work at all, it'll probably come from Lamb, who to his credit is pretty competent.
6155[1:24 PM] Resentine: Is Kaz still around at all? We could use help from a figure like him.
6156[1:25 PM] harmoneia: no
6157[1:25 PM] harmoneia: but I have him on fb
6158[1:26 PM] Resentine: I mean... I think it's worth a shot. I liked Kaz.
6159[1:26 PM] harmoneia: Funk probs won't trust him
6160[1:27 PM] harmoneia: Milo and Kaz go way back.
6161[1:27 PM] Resentine: Didn't to know him very well in the aftermath of the NLO due to me heading back to TSP, but,  he seemed honest and nice enough to have around.
6162[1:27 PM] Wintermoot: Besides, is his fate to be being dragged back to NS everytime Lazarus has a problem? :stuck_out_tongue:
6163[1:27 PM] Resentine: I mean, we could at least talk to him.
6164[1:28 PM] harmoneia: on an OOC level, I'd rather not if it was only his charisma that we could benefit from. He seems to be having fun irl and I don't wanna bother that xD
6165[1:28 PM] Wintermoot: Let the man NS-rest in peace lol
6166[3:00 PM] Chanku: You know you can never leave NS forever :P
6167[3:19 PM] Kade W. Vasentius | Standby: insert yourehereforever.jpg