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2Session Start: Tue Jan 16 00:00:00 2018
3Session Ident: #SpaceXFun
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12[02:56] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: my iPhone 6 is already slow and I’m not taking any chances
13[02:56] <Shoe17> iOS 11 is the buggiest iOS I’ve used since iOS 7
14[02:56] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: just get a cheap battery case
15[02:56] <Shoe17> At least 7.1 fixed iOS 7 though
16[02:56] <@TheKosmonaut> And keep your power >60
17[02:56] <@TheKosmonaut> Then the battery won't throttle
18[02:57] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: I’m gonna get the battery swapped out, cheaper that way
19[02:57] <@TheKosmonaut> You can get 5k mAh cases now for like 30 bucks
20[02:57] <Shoe17> Yeah but those are bulky
21[02:57] <@TheKosmonaut> The OS will still throttle you to conserve energy
22[02:57] <Shoe17> Would rather carry a power bank in my bag
23[02:57] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: that’s not how it works though
24[02:58] <Shoe17> Battery levels only affect CPU performance when low power mode is on
25[02:58] <@TheKosmonaut> Then explain how it works. Because that is my understanding. Even outside of LPM
26[02:58] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: the Apple controversy is basically that the battery voltage degrades over time
27[02:58] <Shoe17> So they underclock the CPU
28[02:59] <Shoe17> Because you can’t sustain high clock speeds with voltages lower than a certain threshold
29[02:59] <@TheKosmonaut> Yes. But the voltage reader is at fault overall. Maybe the new batteries make it better but the problem is that the fundamental design of the phone is wrong
30[03:00] <@TheKosmonaut> Hmm. Then again. I guess the readers are in the battery itself
31[03:00] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: the new batteries are new so they have the voltage according to spec
32[03:00] <Shoe17> They too degrade over time
33[03:02] <Shoe17> Anyways, I don’t think my phone being slow has to do with the battery
34[03:02] <Shoe17> I think it has more to do with how bloated iOS 11 is
35[03:02] <Shoe17> And how atrocious messenger, Facebook and Snapchat are
36[03:02] <Shoe17> Those apps wreak havoc even on flagships
37[03:04] <Shoe17> Man, I miss iOS 9.
38[03:08] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: download Friendly
39[03:08] <@TheKosmonaut> It's a nice wrapper for IG, Fb and lets you use the web messenger
40[03:08] <@TheKosmonaut> And delete Snapchat
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42[03:38] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: I need Snapchat
43[03:38] <Shoe17> I don’t like using it
44[03:38] <Shoe17> And I tried deleting multiple times
45[03:38] <Shoe17> But I need it
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47[03:56] <@TheKosmonaut> Gross
48[03:56] <@TheKosmonaut> It's such shit
49[03:57] <@TheKosmonaut> And IG already does a better job now
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51[05:39] <ldgoforlaunch> > Japan National Broadcaster NHK apologizes for sending missile false alarm message
52[05:40] <ldgoforlaunch> 🤔 
53[06:14] <oren> I wonder if people would like shortbread cookies to be colored
54[06:14] <oren> like pink
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58[06:32] <ldgoforlaunch> https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aq7meVM_460s.jpg
59[06:56] <@TheKosmonaut> ldgoforlaunch: wat
60[06:56] <@TheKosmonaut> When
61[06:57] <ldgoforlaunch> TheKosmonaut: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-japan/now-japanese-tv-issues-false-alarm-about-a-missile-launch-idUSKBN1F514S
62[06:58] <@jan64> kek
63[06:58] <@jan64> what's the over/under on both of those being north korea?
64[06:59] <@jan64> eh
65[06:59] <@jan64> probably a bad wording
66[06:59] <@TheKosmonaut> It wasn't the government warning system
67[07:00] <@TheKosmonaut> I didn't get anything. I guess it was only the app they have. Boring.
68[07:10] <@TheKosmonaut> What the fuck
69[07:11] <@TheKosmonaut> One of my students told me I should watch this anime about a chef kid
70[07:11] <@jan64> kek
71[07:11] <@TheKosmonaut> So far it's had like 5 naked people
72[07:11] <@TheKosmonaut> People getting turned on by a fifteen year old boys food
73[07:12] <@TheKosmonaut> And a~14 year old girl having an orgasm because of a 38 year old dude's fried rice
7403[07:12] * jan64 changes topic to 'https://youtu.be/jcZh2PfMAtg | https://youtu.be/RQSXQb3aDLQ | <dataman> Pretty fascinating how twitter can ban conservatives but bakers must bake cakes for gay'
75[07:13] <@TheKosmonaut> What the fuck. This woman has chef whites they form fit around her tits
76[07:13] <@TheKosmonaut> ergZay: what the fuck is this show
77[07:14] <ldgoforlaunch> at this point, id rather move tp syria than japan
78[07:15] <@TheKosmonaut> This culinary school he's been sent to by his mentor only has a 10% graduation rate
79[07:15] <@TheKosmonaut> And is on top of a mountain
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81[07:19] <@TheKosmonaut> His mentor/father is now in NYC and apparently new York is comprised entirely of spotlights
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83[07:58] <ergZay> TheKosmonaut: what show?
84[08:00] <ergZay> TheKosmonaut: by the description, shokugeki no souma?
85[08:01] <ergZay> it's a Shounen Jump manga, originally
86[08:01] <ergZay> kind of mainstream
87[08:02] <ergZay> (Same place One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, etc come from)
88[08:05] <ldgoforlaunch> (nsfw) https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/ajXpD9G/a6pB9QRb_700w_0.jpg
89[08:08] <ergZay> jan64: fyi dataman is right here, I'm pro gay civil companies and gays but forcing people to violate their own beliefs to assist in acts that violate their religion is utter nonsense
90[08:08] <ergZay> civil unions*
91[08:08] <@jan64> huh?
92[08:08] <@jan64> i just added the elon musk rickroll video to the topic
93[08:09] <ergZay> oh, thought you added the last part
94[08:09] <ergZay> Didnt anyone ever teach you to not top post
95[08:16] <@jan64> i'll toppost all i want, thank you very much.
96[08:18] <@TheKosmonaut> ergZay: it's pretty fucking dumb
97[08:19] <ergZay> It's a shounen manga, its not supposed to be smart
98[08:19] <ergZay> demographic is teenagers
99[08:19] <ergZay> core demographic rather
100[08:20] <ergZay> TheKosmonaut: btw you havent actually gotten to the story as thats when he's still at his family diner
101[08:20] <ergZay> before he heads to the school where they combat by cooking
102[08:20] <@TheKosmonaut> Yeah he's at the school now
103[08:21] <@TheKosmonaut> Hence the bitch in form fitting whites
104[08:21] <ergZay> TheKosmonaut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtaQNZz_se8
105[08:21] <@TheKosmonaut> And his gelatin+egg rice shit
106[08:22] <oren> hmm looking for scary sentences from wikipedia
107[08:22] <@TheKosmonaut> Yeah that was right  before I just stopped
108[08:22] <oren> "This vapor has no odor but is extremely corrosive"
109[08:23] <ergZay> TheKosmonaut: its multiple clips
110[08:23] <@TheKosmonaut> oren: "The European Union is a political and economic union of 28 member states that are located primarily in Europe."
111[08:23] <@TheKosmonaut> ergZay: err meant that first bit specifically. Lol. Mouseovered
112[08:25] <ergZay> its popular in Japan
113[08:26] <ergZay> It's had 3 anime series, and 4th is currently being made
114[08:27] <ergZay> 49 episodes total so far
115[08:28] <oren> ldgoforlaunch: waht kind of a name is lexxxus anyway
116[08:28] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: why do you take anime suggestions from your sutends
117[08:28] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: I don't usually
118[08:28] <ergZay> TheKosmonaut: btw if form fitting clothes weirds you out... you havent seen much anime
119[08:28] <@TheKosmonaut> But on Sunday I made lunch for all of them.
120[08:29] <ldgoforlaunch> oren: a porn one?
121[08:29] <@TheKosmonaut> ergZay: chef whites specifically
122[08:29] <ergZay> why
123[08:29] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: after eating, one of them said I'd like this one about restaurants
124[08:29] <Shoe17> i remember watching sword art online
125[08:29] <oren> TheKosmonaut: shokugeki no souma?
126[08:29] <Shoe17> was fun the first half of the first season
127[08:30] <Shoe17> then i felt castrated
128[08:30] <@TheKosmonaut> oren: yeh
129[08:30] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: you cook?
130[08:30] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: ... Yes
131[08:30] <Shoe17> what
132[08:30] <Shoe17> i thought it was your mom who cooked
133[08:30] <oren> TheKosmonaut: look, most anime are an excuse to have qt grls
134[08:30] <ergZay> his family owns a restaurant, if i remember 
135[08:30] <@TheKosmonaut> Two
136[08:30] <@TheKosmonaut> Errr
137[08:30] <oren> and cheap gags
138[08:30] <@TheKosmonaut> I guess one now
139[08:31] <@TheKosmonaut> My brother sold his and cashed out
140[08:31] <@TheKosmonaut> Now he's helping my mom in Singapore
141[08:31] <@TheKosmonaut> That and he didn't want to have a kid in Cambodia
142[08:31] <Shoe17> rory096: hey wanna be a good kid and leak the spacex talk transcript
143[08:31] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: whats wrong with camobia
144[08:31] <Shoe17> cambodia
145[08:32] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: Singapore>Cambodia in every imaginable way
146[08:32] <Shoe17> i remembered cambodia and laos exists like a few months ago. you never really hear of them
147[08:32] <oren> Cute girls, cheap gags, and nudity, are the main point, plot is a secondary thing
148[08:32] <Shoe17> oren: thats basically sao
149[08:32] <oren> for most anime
150[08:33] <Shoe17> man im still salty about sao 
151[08:33] <@TheKosmonaut> I was kinda hoping it was a slightly more serious cooking anime. That'd have been pretty neat tbh
152[08:33] <oren> Shoe17: I watched teh first episode of that hen it first came out. wisely decided not to wacth anymore
153[08:33] <@TheKosmonaut> Then like ergzay said, shounen. Once I saw the titles I was a little bummed
154[08:34] <ergZay> I watched the first two series
155[08:34] <ergZay> I found it funny, not amazing though
156[08:34] <oren> TheKosmonaut: why, there are lots of cooking shows on japanese tv already, like half of the tv stations are showing some kind of food at any time
157[08:35] <oren> or at least that's how it seems when I'm there
158[08:35] <@TheKosmonaut> oren: those are almost all bullshit. That reminds me.
159[08:35] <@TheKosmonaut> oren: https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/1q5wl9/japanese_tv_rant/
160[08:35] <@TheKosmonaut> Read that.
161[08:36] <oren> hahahahahahahahahahahaha
162[08:37] <@TheKosmonaut> https://www.reddit.com/r/japanlife/comments/2vynl9/i_trashed_a_police_station_update/ then this one and be sure to read part 1
163[08:37] <@TheKosmonaut> oren: that rant is why I don't have Japanese tv. Because he is so on the money
164[08:38] <oren> "why is there an OPEN police station with no police?" lol, no cirminals
165[08:39] <@TheKosmonaut> That and fucking cameras lol
166[08:39] <@TheKosmonaut> ergZay: I saw a guy earlier get arrested because he had a stolen bike
167[08:40] <ergZay> ?
168[08:40] <@TheKosmonaut> The little registration sticker was clearly tampered with
169[08:40] <@jan64> you have mandatory bike registration stickers? 
170[08:40] <@TheKosmonaut> And the cop ran a check on it and the bike registered to the sticker on the bike did not match the description
171[08:40] <@jan64> what kind of nazi hellhole do you live in?
172[08:41] <oren> jan64: japan
173[08:41] <@TheKosmonaut> jan64: almost all bicycles have these little stickers on them when you buy them
174[08:41] <@jan64> you tear that fucker off, then. 
175[08:41] <@TheKosmonaut> That's a paddlin'
176[08:42] <@jan64> goddamn nazis
177[08:43] <@TheKosmonaut> Could be worse
178[08:43] <@TheKosmonaut> I could be in Poland
179[08:44] <@jan64> at least we didn't invent anime
180[08:49] <ldgoforlaunch> ^
181[09:07] <@TheKosmonaut> It's slow vengeance for nukes
182[09:18] <bees> jan64: you dont have mandatory bike registration stickers?
183[09:18] <bees> jan64: what kind of african shithole do you live in?
184[09:18] <@jan64> the free kind, comrade. 
185[09:18] <bees> free for all?
186[09:19] <@jan64> a bit.
187[09:24] <@TheKosmonaut> bees: the kind that gets its ass kicked multiple times
188[09:24] <@TheKosmonaut> And can't into space
189[09:25] <stratochief> bees: Kazakhstan is throwing off the reins of cyrillic?
190[09:27] <bees> stratochief: they had 3 different alphabets in the last century iirc
191[09:27] <stratochief> I'm a cyclist who likes bike licenses *shrug*. it does something to legalize/regularize cycling, I think. it can be done shittily, of course, like anything can.
192[09:28] <stratochief> bees: haha, nice. so a beaurocratically mandated exercise in learning alphabets. or, the sign lobby wants them to re-print all new signs
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194[09:31] <stratochief> bees: I tried to learn at least the most basics of Russian when I started learning German, but my brain is too retarded to learn a new alphabet apparently.
195[09:31] <stratochief> just remembering when to oomlat was hard enough :P
196[09:37] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: still watching animu?
197[09:38] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: no.
198[09:38] <@TheKosmonaut> I could only do like thirty minutes of that dogshit
199[09:38] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: rod
200[09:38] <Shoe17> rood
201[09:38] <@TheKosmonaut> Watched David Letterman's new show on Netflix
202[09:38] <Shoe17> anime is art
203[09:38] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: oh whats that
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206[09:39] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: are you familiar with David Letterman?
207[09:39] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: i mean i heard of him
208[09:39] <@TheKosmonaut> He was a talk show host, before the whole Colbert/Fallon/Obrien shit
209[09:39] <Shoe17> he does a late night show right
210[09:39] <@TheKosmonaut> Anyway, he had retired for a couple of years and now does his own interview show
211[09:39] <Shoe17> whats wrong with those three
212[09:40] <@TheKosmonaut> His first guest was Barry O
213[09:40] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: whos that
214[09:40] <Shoe17> oh
215[09:40] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: uh. Colbert is funny but I just didn't like his talk show, Fallon is ok but he's kind of a goofball, O'Brien I cannot stand. He's unfunny.
216[09:40] <Shoe17> obamer
217[09:41] <@TheKosmonaut> Conan O'Brien does good filmed pieces or skits
218[09:41] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: i dont watch either of those three other than youtube skits so 
219[09:41] <@TheKosmonaut> He is not good at interviewing or being funny live
220[09:41] <Shoe17> i tried to get into ellen once too
221[09:41] <Shoe17> failed
222[09:41] <@TheKosmonaut> Ellen doesn't deserve to share the room with Letterman
223[09:42] <@TheKosmonaut> Letterman and Fergueson were great
224[09:42] <@TheKosmonaut> Leno was alright I guess.
225[09:43] <stratochief> eww. Leno was abysmal as a host in the late 90s, until his end.
226[09:43] <Shoe17> i mean i thought itd be easier to get into ellen but 
227[09:43] <ldgoforlaunch> but did letterman get a presidential medal for being a lesbian? dont think so
228[09:43] <Shoe17> i dont know she just seems too 
229[09:43] <Shoe17> fidgety 
230[09:44] <stratochief> ellen does a couple of decent interviews, but her style is... clearly crafted for her target demo which is middle aged to older women.
231[09:44] <@TheKosmonaut> stratochief: I'd rather Leno than current obrien
232[09:45] <@TheKosmonaut> stratochief: Jay Leno is shit though in comparison to Letterman
233[09:45] <stratochief> TheKosmonaut: depends on the segment. does conan's show even put content on youtube?
234[09:45] <@TheKosmonaut> His comedy routine is shit too. Did you know he hasn't written new material since he was first hired to do his show?
235[09:45] <stratochief> yeah. letterman was at least half decent, even to the end. he was incredible in the 80s and much of the 90s
236[09:46] <@TheKosmonaut> He's been doing the same routine for Decades
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238[09:46] <stratochief> yeah, Leno is very old-school NY comedy. that was much more common 'back in the day', so I don't bust his chops much for that
239[09:46] <@TheKosmonaut> stratochief: Letterman fell off HARD just before the end
240[09:46] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: i cant find it online
241[09:46] <stratochief> Leno's obsession with cars is where I like him
242[09:46] <@TheKosmonaut> He revealed that he was having an affair and it killed his show
243[09:47] <Shoe17> guess ill have to borrow from people
244[09:47] <stratochief> TheKosmonaut: true. but Letterman still was decent after like multiple heart bypass for years, so I give him props for that
245[09:47] <@TheKosmonaut> I never noticed that two of his fingers seem fused together
246[09:47] <stratochief> I personally like most of the new late night guys (sans Conan, I never see him on Tubez)
247[09:48] <stratochief> in part, I like all the new latenight guys because I can consume them in segments. I also appreciate variation in style/content, even within the same show. so I'll watch 1/3 to 2/3 of colbert or seth myers, for example
248[09:48] <stratochief> I don't want to see the rest? fine, it doesn't harm me to skip some segments I'm not interested in that day
249[09:50] <oren> stratochief: I hate them all because there's no bite
250[09:51] <@TheKosmonaut> Lol what. People are shitting on Letterman's Obama interview
251[09:51] <@TheKosmonaut> Because he didn't shit on Trump
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253[09:51] <@TheKosmonaut> Presidents don't usually comment on that sort of thing. How fucking stupid.
254[09:52] <oren> They need to bring back Jon Sewart
255[09:52] <@TheKosmonaut> I love that he quit before possibly the best election of his lifetime
256[09:53] <oren> now they have a south african dumbass and a british dumbass as main TV political comedians
257[09:53] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: americans are pretty retarded about social justice
258[09:53] <oren> and they both blow 
259[09:54] <oren> get an american to talk about american politics please
260[09:58] <stratochief> oren: fuck you
261[09:59] <stratochief> you forget the canadian woman
262[10:00] <stratochief> not sure what you mean by bite either, not like leno or letterman had any 'bite', although I still don't know what you mean by that.
263[10:01] <oren> what canadian woman? 
264[10:02] <oren> is that new?
265[10:02] <stratochief> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Frontal_with_Samantha_Bee
266[10:02] <oren> That isn't a porn show?
267[10:02] <ldgoforlaunch> kek
268[10:04] <stratochief> I like Oliver's indepth analysis still, his filler schtick has gotten stale. Hopefully he retools that, or retires. His stunts have always been good though, like buying the wax presidents and doing segments with them.
269[10:05] <stratochief> And I like Stewart's replacement as well. Nothing beats Stewart, but he served his years and I respect his decision to retire upstate.
270[10:05] <oren> they should have replaced him by hiring an american
271[10:06] <oren> if they wanted a black guy, why not a black guy from america?
272[10:07] <stratochief> Stewart selected Noah. if you don't like the choice, take it with Stewart. He wanted Noah, not 'a black guy'
273[10:08] <oren> are there any shows left with an american talking about american politics?
274[10:09] <stratochief> any network late night show (colbert, etc.) the actual network news hours, the multiple 24 hour news networks?
275[10:10] <oren> colbert quit didn't he?
276[10:13] <oren> oh right, he got a new show that you can't watch for free
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278[10:14] <stratochief> oren: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMtFAi84ehTSYSE9XoHefig/videos
279[10:14] <stratochief> youtube is fairly free (as in beer)
280[10:19] <@TheKosmonaut> >Americans are pretty retarded about social justice
281[10:19] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: where the hell have you been for the last decade?
282[10:20] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: um
283[10:20] <Shoe17> why 
284[10:20] <@TheKosmonaut> I mean, that's been an ongoing thing for a long time now.
285[10:21] <Shoe17> ye just making a comment doesnt mean im making a earth shattering revelation
286[10:22] <@TheKosmonaut> Fucking shit.. there's a nick on the left lens for my glasses
287[10:23] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: lol glasses
288[10:23] <Shoe17> im going to degrade my eyesight until im forced to have a surgery
289[10:23] <@TheKosmonaut> now I have this out of focus line in my vision
290[10:23] <@TheKosmonaut> Have fun with that
291[10:23] <@TheKosmonaut> You'll still need glasses btw
292[10:23] <Shoe17> last i checked my power was only -.75
293[10:24] <Shoe17> but that was 2 years ago and its worse 
294[10:24] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: wait what
295[10:24] <Shoe17> you need glasses after lasik?
296[10:24] <@TheKosmonaut> Do you do any research?
297[10:24] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: about things that matter
298[10:24] <@TheKosmonaut> >things that matter
299[10:24] <@TheKosmonaut> >laser surgery on your fucking eyeballs
300[10:25] <Shoe17> probably wont need it until im in my mid 30s
301[10:25] <@TheKosmonaut> Shoe17: Your vision will degrade after the proceudre, and it's possible that you'll need glasses at night as time goes on
302[10:25] <@TheKosmonaut> It's also possible that you'll need reading glasses specifically
303[10:25] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: eh we'll probably have prosthetic eyes by then
304[10:25] <Shoe17> 4 K V I S I O N
305[10:26] <ldgoforlaunch> then we'll finally see at over 24fps
306[10:26] <Shoe17> and maybe my eyes can finally see more than 60fps
307[10:26] <@TheKosmonaut> 4k@24FPS
308[10:26] <@TheKosmonaut> C I N E M A 
309[10:26] <ldgoforlaunch> :P
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312[10:43] <stratochief> rory096: so, the current negotiations by congressional GOP would be in line with National Review's positions, roughly?
313[10:45] <ldgoforlaunch> stratochief: pls take this to #spacex
314[10:45] <stratochief> ldgoforlaunch: lol
315[10:45] <ldgoforlaunch> :P
316[10:45] <stratochief> trying to bifurcate the polydicks out of the non-polydicks space
317[10:45] <stratochief> also, I'm moving to cellphone and this would make it easier to follow
318[10:48] <stratochief> rory096: I also find much of Vox's analysis both populist and intellectual. I see lots on the left or center that is both.
319[10:48] <rory0964> stratochief: on DACA? 
320[10:48] <rory0964> Certainly supporting it at all would be
321[10:49] <stratochief> rory096: well, DACA plus the rest being pulled into the immigration debate right now (reducing legal immigration, border wall, heavy vetting, force down refugee numbers)
322[10:49] <stratochief> rory096: sorry, to clarify, you say that supporting DACA would be in line with New Republic's view?
323[10:49] <@rory096> yes
324[10:49] <stratochief> (not doubting, just clarifying)
325[10:49] <@rory096> the RAISE Act, no
326[10:50] <stratochief> gotcha. yeah, it sucks that the institutions of Buckley have been shunted to the side
327[10:50] <@rory096> but those are obviously a result of the populists being in power
328[10:50] <@rory096> the GOP: wtf i hate reagan now
329[10:51] <stratochief> I don't find trump to be populist at all. definitely cultural-ethnic nationalist.
330[10:51] <stratochief> nothing populist about throwing billions at a wall instead of infrastructure or investment that would help the people. nothing populist about huge tax cuts for wealthy & corps
331[10:51] <stratochief> rory096: I watch lots of old Firing Line, and Hoover Institute does good video content these days as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATH5A7Jtq6M
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333[10:53] <strato> And now, am cellphone peasant
334[10:53] <@rory096> idk massive pointless 'infrastructure' programs is pretty populist, as is getting rid of the immigrants taking muh jobs
335[10:54] <strato> I actually kind of like to see the populist left and intellectual right get together and create a Centrist party to offset the trumpians
336[10:54] <strato> There's just such a body of legislation that has been popular for years that doesn't even get a fair shake or vote in Congress.
337[10:55] <strato> rory096: maybe. Thinking populist right just makes me think proto-fascist for some reason. The two examples you gave fit that in my opinion
338[10:55] <@rory096> yeah i basically agree
339[10:55] <@rory096> tbh building a giant wall to keep out poles sounds like something hitler would do
340[10:56] <@rory096> ironically the french did it instead, but...
341[10:56] <strato> Lol. Nah, building an armed wall makes sense after being world war'd :P
342[10:58] <strato> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zNVnBqsD
343[10:58] <strato> Vat? Screw you phone.
344[10:58] <strato> I think that abiding by the hastert rule is what will really break the Republican Party
345[10:59] <strato> Clean DACA could pass so easily I think, if all members were allowed individual votes.
346[11:00] <strato> Also, iirc legislation can be passed and ignore the president with a 2/3 majority. So Congress could effectively just governed by partisanly and ignore the noise from the White House
347[11:03] <@TheKosmonaut> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZM64_RuJBA ahaha
348[11:03] <@TheKosmonaut> Mormons are funny
349[11:04] <@rory096> yeah. hastert rule didn't used to be so hard and fast
350[11:04] <@rory096> but tbh i don't think 1/3 of the GOP would necessarily work with dems (or if they did, the policies they created wouldn't be supported by the left side of the dems)
351[11:05] <strato> I am fine with trying to get consenus in your side of the aisle first but it can't be the end of everything.
352[11:05] <strato> rory096: it'd be more than one-third, ideally you'd be cutting out both the far-left and far-right.
353[11:06] <@rory096> yeah
354[11:06] <@rory096> i don't think clean DACA is necessarily necessary. might as well extract concessions if you can
355[11:06] <@rory096> but pass clean DACA if negotiations fail
356[11:06] <strato> If the far wings on either side wants to keep being of importance, they need to actually bring something of value to the table other than partisanship
357[11:06] <@rory096> (mind you, i don't like the concessions they want)
358[11:06] <strato> rory096: agreed.
359[11:07] <strato> Still, with a potential deadline of the end of this week that doesn't leave much time to come through with new negotiations
360[11:08] <strato> Still, if Congress generally agrees with the negotiations that were brought up on the weekend, they could just vote on it and then put it on Trump's table to see if he is willing to shut down government.
361[11:10] <@rory096> is that the deadline? isn't there an injunction anyway?
362[11:11] <strato> This week is the funding deadline, and who knows whether the DACA injunction will stand or not, and for how long.
363[11:11] <strato> The Democrats have made it fairly clear that they would not provide votes on funding without a DACA fix, and I support them strongly in that. Who knows if they'll actually stick to it though.
364[11:12] <strato> They already caved in December to give the one month extension, which was unpopular with the Democratic vote base.
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366[11:26] <@rory096> ah right
367[11:31] <stratobrowser> yeah, which is why the bipartisan agreement brought to the president late last week was fairly important, the same meeting that spawned shit-gate
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369[12:03] <Shoe17> TheKosmonaut: im liking the letterman show
370[12:03] <Shoe17> obamer looks dank as fuck 
371[12:03] <Shoe17> man has style
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37301[12:07] <09dataman> RIP canada
37401[12:07] <09dataman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0J5T-szjGI&feature=youtu.be&t=14s
37501[12:07] <09dataman> lol @ democrats shutting down the USA government over their support of illegal aliens and foreign nationals. Zero concern for American citizens living & working in the United States.
376[12:11] <stratobrowser> dataman: I missed the math there. is the republican majority expected to pass a funding extension through the house, using their majority?
377[12:12] <ldgoforlaunch> http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israeli-security-forces-find-cell-phone-bomb-in-Josephs-Tomb-536867
378[12:13] <stratobrowser> ldgoforlaunch: damn Samsung phones and their jihadi batteries
379[12:13] <@rory096> > illegal aliens and foreign nationals. Zero concern for American citizens living & working in the United States.
380[12:13] <@rory096> yes, those asshole aliens who came here when they were 3 deserve no rights
38101[12:13] <09dataman> stratobrowser yea you did miss the math. Budget requires 60 votes. Repub majority isnt enough.
382[12:13] <@rory096> deport them for the greater good
383[12:14] <stratobrowser> dataman: House. House just requires a majority.
384[12:14] <@rory096> these things are certainly mutually exclusive
38501[12:14] <09dataman> Chuck and Nancy will never mention that part, they like to spin that its all on Repubs. The opposite is true. Its 100% on democrats to pass the budget
38601[12:14] <09dataman> Instead they care more abotu foreign nationals than they do about Americans
387[12:15] <stratobrowser> dataman: House?
38801[12:16] <09dataman> Senate requires 60 votes. 
389[12:16] <stratobrowser> the tl;dr for those unawares, there seem to be enough far-right GOP members in the House refusing to pass a budget extension, so the GOP needs to win some Dem votes so it could pass the House, despire having a majority there.
39001[12:16] <09dataman> stop spreading misinfo
39101[12:16] <09dataman> 60 votes required in senate
392[12:16] <stratobrowser> dataman: cool story. how about the House. you know, the House of Reps I've mentioned literally ever line.
39301[12:16] <09dataman> You realize the budget has to make it through the senate right?
39401[12:17] <09dataman> House cant pass a budget on its own
395[12:17] <stratobrowser> dataman: you do realize that it must pass the House, right?
396[12:17] <stratobrowser> I have no disagreement with you about what should happen in the Senate.
39701[12:17] <09dataman> you realize it must pass both, so we have to meet the highest bar
39801[12:17] <09dataman> I know you want to deflect to the house but thats disengenuous
39901[12:17] <09dataman> since for the budget to pass it must go through both
400[12:18] <stratobrowser> so since we're in agreement that a budget extension needs and should get 60 votes from all parties in the Senate, are you aware of the House of Reps math?
40101[12:18] <09dataman> Fill us in with your disinfo
40201[12:18] <09dataman> lets hear it
40301[12:19] <09dataman> dis gun b gud
404[12:19] <stratobrowser> (from earlier) dataman: the republican majority expected to pass a funding extension through the house, using their majority?
40501[12:19] <09dataman> I was talking about the senate
40601[12:19] <09dataman> you're arguing with yourself
40701[12:20] <09dataman> Seante is the tougher pass
408[12:21] <stratobrowser> not when the GOP house is in disagreement amongst itself about whether to pass a budget extension, due to deficit hawks on the far-wing.
40901[12:21] <09dataman> The repubs can vote 100% unified and its still not enough to apss
41001[12:21] <09dataman> its on the dems to play ball
411[12:21] <stratobrowser> you refuse to acknowledge the House problems, when they are laid out before you. Good luck with that.
41201[12:22] <09dataman> Dems are playing chicken with our budget and DACA, then blaming the republicans 
41301[12:22] <09dataman> nice spin though
414[12:22] <stratobrowser> if House GOP vote was unified, they could pass it. they are not unified.
41501[12:22] <09dataman> BUDGET MUST PASS SENATE TOO
416[12:23] <stratobrowser> dataman: There is no disagreement about what must happen in the senate. read above a bit. take your time.
41701[12:23] <09dataman> So you agree that democrat party is roadblocking operating budget
41801[12:23] <09dataman> thanks
419[12:24] <stratobrowser> both parties need to vote in the senate. I expect the democrats to vote for the budget to pass the senate. not shutting down government is not contriversial in the senate.
42001[12:24] <09dataman> neither party can pass it on their own
42101[12:25] <09dataman> Repubs are for it
42201[12:25] <09dataman> Dems are stonewalling in lieu of DACA
42301[12:25] <09dataman> You're probably in the #resist movement and shit but Trump won the election and the repubs hold majority. Dems are stonewalling.
424[12:26] <stratobrowser> senate will pass, controversial. your refusal to acknowledge the basics continues to be astounding. I'll leave you to ignore the House issues entirely.
42501[12:26] <09dataman> Senate might pass, depends if dems play ball.
42601[12:26] <09dataman> Cant pass a budget when 0 dems vote for it
427[12:27] <stratobrowser> you believe it will pass the house with GOP votes?
42801[12:28] <09dataman> I think it will be easier to get through the senate but we'll hit roadblock against democratic senators
42901[12:28] <09dataman> *easier to get through the house
43001[12:28] <09dataman> but just to bring you up to speed, its not law until it pass BOTH house and senate
43101[12:29] <09dataman> its nice and convenient to ignore the roadblocking in the senate and focus on the house but both are required bud
432[12:29] <@rory096> >You're probably in the #resist movement and shit but Trump won the election and the repubs hold majority. Dems are stonewalling.
433[12:29] <@rory096> wot
434[12:29] <@rory096> the rules are the rules
43501[12:29] <09dataman> #resist movement is anything and everything anti trump
43601[12:29] <09dataman> even if its good for america
437[12:30] <@rory096> and the tea party didn't resist obama?
438[12:30] <@rory096> rules are rules
43901[12:30] <09dataman> Its not racism, it was bad policy, illegal policy
44001[12:30] <09dataman> Obama routinely overstepped congress, Iran deal, paris accord etc
441[12:30] <Mader_Levap> rory096: dont worry it is okay when republicans do it >.>
442[12:30] <@rory096> ... racism?
443[12:30] <@rory096> wot
444[12:30] <oren> gah
44501[12:31] <09dataman> Obama is black, but that doesnt make him imune to criticism. Dems call anyone who criticized obama racist because  all they have going for them is identity politics
446[12:31] <@rory096> lol what
447[12:31] <oren> I prefer parliamentary system
448[12:31] <@rory096> who the fuck said anything about racism
449[12:31] <Mader_Levap> dataman said
45001[12:32] <09dataman> Implication is that you cant vote against obama
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452[12:32] <@rory096> what
453[12:32] <stratobrowser> the deficit hawks in the House are resisting passing a budget extension. I don't think they are lefty #resist folk.
454[12:32] <@rory096> the fuck are you talking about
455[12:32] <@rory096> the implication is that opposing the president is the opposition's job
456[12:32] <oren> with parliamentary system, you'd have president boner
45701[12:32] <09dataman> Democratic senators have every right to vote against trump, but they cant claim its because they love americans. Their gripe is over DACA, foreign amnesty
458[12:32] <oren> Boehner
459[12:32] <@rory096> lol
460[12:32] <@rory096> dreamers are american
46101[12:32] <09dataman> When GOP and tea party vote against Obama its racism
46201[12:33] <09dataman> according to the progressive left
46301[12:33] <09dataman> identity politics is their game
464[12:33] <@rory096> if you say so. i'm not one of them
46501[12:33] <09dataman> Point being, Obama actually violated policy
46601[12:33] <09dataman> Signed foreign treaties without ratification
46701[12:33] <09dataman> congress had no say in paris accord or iran deal
468[12:34] <stratobrowser> I am both progressive and on the left, and dataman is as usual mischaracterizing me and other progressives. surprise, surprise.
46901[12:34] <09dataman> You're painting your own self portrait, dont blame me when you look bad
470[12:34] <oren> dataman: yeah and presidents from both parties have been fighting wars without a declaration of war since WWII
471[12:34] <stratobrowser> you're a shitty painter, this isn't a self portrait. :P
47201[12:35] <09dataman> oren, I grip about that too
473[12:35] <stratobrowser> oren: didn't korea or one of those have authorization?
47401[12:35] <09dataman> Obama dropped more bombs and droned more innocents than any other president
475[12:35] <Shoe17> dataman: i dont think rory096 implied racism against obamer at all
476[12:35] <Shoe17> sjws exist 
477[12:35] <Shoe17> hes not one of them
478[12:35] <Shoe17> nobody takes them seriously
479[12:35] <@rory096> > Obama actually violated policy
480[12:35] <@rory096> yeah... no
48101[12:35] <09dataman> hell, HRC as sec of state wrote in an email that she wanted to drone assange
482[12:35] <Shoe17> other than ironically, the right.
483[12:36] <@rory096> we have this thing called the supreme court that decides that, not you
48401[12:36] <09dataman> Shoe17, nice of you to come to defense but I wasnt targeting rory096
485[12:36] <oren> Shoe17: well strato is the most SJWish person here
486[12:36] <@rory096> and the iran agreement isn't a treaty
487[12:36] <stratobrowser> I don't think a SJW has ever shown up in this channel, and yet I hear tons of whining about them.
48801[12:36] <09dataman> iran agreement is by definition a treaty but referred to as a "deal"
489[12:36] <Shoe17> dataman: not defending, im just saying that youre kind of derailing his argument
49001[12:36] <09dataman> billions of dollars in cash delivered at night in cargo planes
49101[12:36] <09dataman> not suspicious at all
492[12:37] <stratobrowser> oren: my SJ goes about as far as social gospel went, like 50-100 years ago. not exactly a warrior.
49301[12:37] <09dataman> Shoe17 his argument had no rails
494[12:37] <oren> stratobrowser: just like drunk at a party, if you don't see any SJW's in the room...
495[12:37] <Shoe17> dataman: ...?
496[12:37] <Shoe17> he literally said 2 sentences and you decide it has no rails?
49701[12:37] <09dataman> he was making the point that republicans voted against obama
49801[12:37] <09dataman> and its like, yea of course they did
49901[12:37] <09dataman> his policies were shit
500[12:38] <stratobrowser> oren: got any examples of me being a 'warrior'? I'd agree that I'm the most socially left in this room generally. a few to my economic left.
501[12:38] <Shoe17> dataman: and you were saying that its wrong that democrats vote against trump?
50201[12:38] <09dataman> Correct, but listen to their complaint. They're stopping the USA gov for the benefit of illegal aliens
50301[12:38] <09dataman> thats why its wrong
50401[12:38] <09dataman> they're elected to represent their constituents, not foreigners
505[12:38] <stratobrowser> oren: I'd characerize my social leftism as left-libertarian, I'm not for any left-authoritarian things, very against them.
50601[12:38] <09dataman> its representation.
507[12:38] <Shoe17> what if their constituents are foreigners?
50801[12:39] <09dataman> they cant be
509[12:39] <Shoe17> what if foreign people make up a large minority of the population?
51001[12:39] <09dataman> a non-citizen is not a voter, and is therefore not represented in a democratic republic
51101[12:39] <09dataman> if foreigners can vote in your country, then is your country even a country
512[12:39] <@rory096> >iran agreement is by definition a treaty
513[12:39] <@rory096> this is false
514[12:39] <@rory096> treaties are binding
515[12:39] <@rory096> by definition
51601[12:40] <09dataman> so you rename it to hide that its illegal
51701[12:40] <09dataman> doesnt change anything
518[12:40] <oren> rory096: a treaty is only ever as binding as the powers that be decide it is
519[12:40] <stratobrowser> representing the children of Dreamers and immigrants of all kinds. people born in america are americans, even if many of them can't vote yet.
52001[12:40] <09dataman> rory096 you should do some research into "ratification"
52101[12:40] <09dataman> none of obamas foreign treaties were ratified
52201[12:40] <09dataman> or even voted on
523[12:41] <Shoe17> dataman: illegal is a sensitive word
524[12:41] <Shoe17> the court decides that 
525[12:41] <Shoe17> not you
526[12:41] <Shoe17> thats why theres a judiciary branch 
52701[12:41] <09dataman> its unconstituional
52801[12:41] <09dataman> and therefore illegal
52901[12:41] <09dataman> show me where in the constitution it says anything about non citizens voting
530[12:41] <oren> Shoe17: well, it's not "legal" since they also haven't ruled it is
53101[12:42] <09dataman> and presidents power to sign treaties without ratification
532[12:43] <@rory096> dataman: you should do some research into what international agreements are treaties and require ratification
53301[12:43] <09dataman> I have
53401[12:43] <09dataman> thats why im poking fun at you
535[12:44] <oren> stratobrowser: well, that's a political question isn't it. does the representative of a district have the duty to represent the interests of everyone who lives there, only the citizens, only those who voted for them, or perhaps only those who contributed funds to their campaign? 
536[12:45] <@rory096> dataman: if your claim had any basis in fact, the supreme court would've declared it unconstitutional
53701[12:45] <09dataman> Its a political question with a clear answer
538[12:45] <@rory096> why hasn't it?
539[12:45] <oren> dataman: does the constitution say?
540[12:45] <stratobrowser> rory096: so anyway, end of week is the current deadline to make some decision on DACA (to get dem votes for funding through the house) and also to continue government funding in general.
541[12:45] <@rory096> right
542[12:45] <oren> (obviously, being a foreigner, I don't know)
543[12:45] <@rory096> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricker_Amendment#Legal_background
544[12:46] <@rory096> oren: congressman have no constitutional duty to represent anyone at all
54501[12:46] <09dataman> Because consistency on the world stage is important. Trump has signaled intent to pull out of Paris Accord and Iran deal. Despite outcry from the democrats. And the democrats cant do shit to stop him because Obama did all of that with executive orders
546[12:46] <@rory096> except literally
54701[12:46] <09dataman> Trump can pull out without any legal challenge required
548[12:46] <stratobrowser> oren: I'm a fan of attempting to represent all citizens of the district, but yeah it's a political choice for each rep. they definitely seem to follow the money, though.
54901[12:46] <09dataman> ^^ citizens
55001[12:46] <09dataman> thanks mate
551[12:46] <@rory096> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Clause#One_of_three_types_of_international_accord
552[12:47] <@rory096> that dreamers aren't citizens doesn't change the fact that they *are* americans and they *should be* citizens
553[12:47] <stratobrowser> oren: citizens being, people eligible to vote, or who will be elligable to vote when old enough.
554[12:47] <stratobrowser> rory096: agreed.
555[12:47] <@rory096> it's a failure of policy, not something to be praised because it is the status quo
55601[12:47] <09dataman> lol dreamers are by definition not americans, DACA literally stands for deferred action, referring to amnnesty of their immigration status
557[12:47] <stratobrowser> and its not even contriversial. a DACA path to citizenship polls nearly twice as well as the president, in the 70%+ range.
55801[12:47] <09dataman> if a dreamer was an american, they wouldnt be a dreamer lmao
55901[12:48] <09dataman> and wtf "dreamer"
56001[12:48] <09dataman> what about Americans "dreams"
561[12:48] <stratobrowser> dataman: raised in america, culturally american. americans? yes. legal citizens? no.
56201[12:48] <09dataman> So not american
56301[12:48] <09dataman> if a rat is born in a stable is it a horse?
564[12:48] <@rory096> >by definition
56501[12:49] <09dataman> if you sneak your infant into disneyland, can they kick your family out?
566[12:49] <@rory096> i guess women and slaves weren't americans because they couldn't vote
567[12:49] <stratobrowser> dataman: not american to you, american to 70% of americans polled, american by rory's standards, american by mine.
56801[12:49] <09dataman> Citizenship is a clear legal term
569[12:49] <@rory096> nobody said they were citizens
57001[12:49] <09dataman> not subject to your interpretation strato
571[12:49] <@rory096> >that dreamers aren't citizens doesn't change the fact that they *are* americans and they *should be* citizens
572[12:49] <@rory096> read.
57301[12:49] <09dataman> you're micing words bud
57401[12:49] <09dataman> *mincing
575[12:49] <stratobrowser> rory096: too high a bar, to expect reading. needs a 1 pager read to him per day.
576[12:50] <oren> stratobrowser: um... you do know that Canada has a similar problem that doesn't come up because we just deport people 
577[12:50] <@rory096> you apparently think their existing legal status is some moral absolute
578[12:50] <@rory096> have some opinions of your own, don't just defer to the status quo
57901[12:50] <09dataman> likewise
58001[12:50] <09dataman> DACA kids had 30 years to get citizenship
58101[12:50] <09dataman> now they're adults
582[12:50] <@rory096> wot
583[12:50] <@rory096> ... that's not how that works
584[12:50] <stratobrowser> oren: deporting people within a few years of them entering illegally/legal status lapsing is also an acceptable solution. the US tried to have their cake of illegal cheap labour and eat it too.
58501[12:50] <09dataman> thats exactly how this works rory096
58601[12:50] <09dataman> they can apply for citizenship like any other global citizen
587[12:51] <@rory096> er, how were DACA kids supposed to get citizenship?
58801[12:51] <09dataman> apply
58901[12:51] <09dataman> like anyone else
590[12:51] <@rory096> they can't apply without leaving the country
591[12:51] <stratobrowser> oren: I'm also for deporting people who break criminal law, no matter how many years they've been in america, and also those who've been in the US illegal for less than N years, where N is between 3 and 10
59201[12:51] <09dataman> Whats that got to do with it
593[12:51] <@rory096> they should leave the home they were raised in and their family to live in mexico until the broken immigration system decides to let them live where they grew up?
59401[12:51] <09dataman> They had 30 years to sort it out
595[12:51] <@rory096> ...
596[12:51] <@rory096> "sort it out"
59701[12:52] <09dataman> yep
598[12:52] <@rory096> as if you'd allow them citizenship if they asked nicely
59901[12:52] <09dataman> its an easy fix, citizenship is given out like candy
600[12:52] <@rory096> wot
60101[12:52] <09dataman> USA accepts more immigrants than ANY other country
602[12:52] <@rory096> ...
603[12:52] <@rory096> are you delusional? US immigration has decade long waiting periods minimum
60401[12:52] <09dataman> truth hurts rory096
60501[12:52] <09dataman> DACA kids had fast track 
606[12:52] <stratobrowser> MFW data things the illegal immigration issue is because 11 million people are too dumb to just apply for the easy thing
607[12:52] <@jan64> rory096, technically, could be true even if it accepts more immigrants than any other country
608[12:53] <@rory096> jan64: i have no doubt both are true
609[12:53] <@rory096> dataman: how did DACA kids have 'fast track'?
61001[12:54] <09dataman> the entire progressive left has been stroking them for decades
611[12:54] <@rory096> wot
612[12:54] <@rory096> by... not deporting them
613[12:54] <@rory096> not by offering citizenship
614[12:54] <@rory096> you think they *prefer* to be illegal?
61501[12:54] <09dataman> citizenship isnt "offered"
61601[12:54] <09dataman> citizenship is requested and granted
61703[12:54] * ldgoforlaunch is now known as ldgoforlaunch|AFK
61801[12:54] <09dataman> obviously they prefer to be illegal because they havent made any effort to get legal
61901[12:55] <09dataman> I'm sure some have, but we dont hear about them because they're sorted out
620[12:55] <oren> dataman: well, not in america, at least. some countries are ethnostates that offer citizenship to their people
62101[12:55] <09dataman> We're talking about USA tho
62201[12:55] <09dataman> not shitholes
623[12:55] <Shoe17> dataman: why would *anyone* prefer to be illegal
624[12:55] <@jan64> (((shitholes)))
625[12:55] <@jan64> Shoe17, illegals don't have to pay taxes
62601[12:56] <09dataman> Shoe17 I think they enjoy the fame of being in this ambiguous legal standing and getting all kinds of attention from shady left
62701[12:56] <09dataman> many are lazy
628[12:56] <oren> jan64: israel is an example, but i was thinking of ireland. (my dad can get irish citizenship if he wants)
629[12:56] <oren> a lot of european countries have diasporas
630[12:57] <@rory096> jan64: wot
631[12:57] <@rory096> that's not accurate
632[12:57] <oren> I can get russian citizenship since my grandmother was born in russia
633[12:57] <@rory096> lmfao
634[12:57] <@rory096> >enjoy the fame
63501[12:57] <09dataman> Illegals dont pay tax like citizens do
636[12:57] <@rory096> W E W
637[12:58] <oren> dataman: wait, really?!
63801[12:58] <09dataman> rory0964, illegals pay a little bit of sales tax on the bullshit they buy but most dont pay any income tax or property tax of any kind
639[12:58] <@jan64> rory096, in this day and age, nothing is. 
640[12:58] <@rory096> lmao
641[12:58] <@rory096> >property tax
642[12:58] <@rory096> so they just own property without paying taxes and municipalities are okay with it because they're illegals?
64301[12:59] <09dataman> Frankly, illegals usurp tax dollars by burdening citizens while not paying back in
64401[12:59] <09dataman> find some illegal aliens who own property and then get back to me
645[12:59] <@rory096> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/
646[12:59] <@rory096> so... you're saying they don't pay taxes they don't owe
647[12:59] <@rory096> quelle horreur
648[13:00] <@rory096> (btw many illegal immigrants own property, obviously)
64901[13:00] <09dataman> I'm not big into the tax debate, legal status is a deeper issue 
65001[13:00] <09dataman> if they get legal status their tax situation will get right
651[13:00] <@rory096> >The Social Security system has grown increasingly reliant on this stream of revenue, particularly as aging Baby Boomers start to retire. Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, estimates that about 1.8 million immigrants were working with fake or stolen Social Security cards in 2010, and he expects that number to reach 3.4 million by 2040. He calculates that undocumented immigrants paid $13 billion 
652[13:00] <@rory096> into the retirement trust fund that year, and only got about $1 billion in benefits. “We estimate that earnings by unauthorized immigrants result in a net positive effect on Social Security financial status generally, and that this effect contributed roughly $12 billion to the cash flow of the program for 2010,” Gross concluded in a 2013 review of the impact of undocumented immigrants on Social Security.
653[13:00] <@rory096> dataman: right, so give them legal status
654[13:00] <@rory096> don't let them defer or be illegals anymore
65501[13:00] <09dataman> they have the path
656[13:00] <@rory096> ... no they don't
65701[13:00] <09dataman> yes they do
65801[13:00] <09dataman> immigraiton is easy
659[13:00] <@rory096> that's literally what the current debate is about
660[13:00] <@rory096> lmfao no it's not
66101[13:00] <09dataman> no its not
66201[13:00] <09dataman> debate is about granting amnesty
663[13:00] <@rory096> and it requires being out of the country
664[13:01] <@rory096> ...
665[13:01] <@rory096> wtf is the difference? amnesty means citizenship
66601[13:01] <09dataman> DACA = deferred action
66701[13:01] <09dataman> no, amnesty is not citizenship lol
668[13:01] <@rory096> yes, deferred because we wouldn't give them citizenship before
669[13:01] <@rory096> wot
67001[13:01] <09dataman> your brain needs an oil change
67101[13:01] <09dataman> amnesty is NOT citizenship
67201[13:01] <09dataman> amnesty is amnesty
673[13:01] <oren> rory096: amnesty would be giving them the chance to apply for citizenship, 
674[13:02] <oren> without being immediatley deported
675[13:02] <@rory096> oren: yes, which they don't have now
67601[13:02] <09dataman> lol
67701[13:02] <09dataman> they've had 30 years to apply
67801[13:02] <09dataman> times up
679[13:02] <@rory096> dataman: do you agree they should be allowed to apply for citizenship?
68001[13:02] <09dataman> yea, they've had that ability since reagan
681[13:02] <@rory096> without having to live in a strange foreign country first?
682[13:02] <@rory096> er, no
683[13:02] <@rory096> the reagan amnesty was for a specific cohort
68401[13:02] <09dataman> a "strange" country lol
685[13:03] <Mader_Levap> dataman: "they've had 30 years to apply" without threat of immediate deportation? yes or no?
68601[13:03] <09dataman> Mader_Levap yep
687[13:03] <@rory096> IRCA >legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed at least a minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.
688[13:03] <@rory096> yes, a country they only lived in from birth to, say, 3 years
689[13:03] <Mader_Levap> dataman: how so?
69001[13:04] <09dataman> they arent citizens, no matter the spin you put on it
69101[13:04] <09dataman> they had 30 years to apply and sort it out
692[13:04] <@rory096> wot
693[13:04] <@rory096> of course they aren't citizens
694[13:04] <@rory096> THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO APPLY
69501[13:04] <09dataman> yea they are
696[13:04] <@rory096> wtf
69701[13:04] <09dataman> and i dont even need to use caps
698[13:04] <@rory096> you're just lying now
69901[13:04] <09dataman> lol whatever you say
700[13:04] <@rory096> just stating falsehoods with zero self-awareness
70101[13:05] <09dataman> you just got majorly corrected like 10 times
702[13:05] <@rory096> if they could apply, why did the reagan amnesty *allow them to apply*?
70301[13:05] <09dataman> you said amnesty is citizenship rory096, you have a lot to learn about this subject. Start with the terminology
704[13:05] <stratobrowser> > the entire progressive left has been stroking them for decades
705[13:05] <stratobrowser> staunch progressives like Reagan and Bush. the hard-left, those blokes
706[13:05] <@rory096> ... amnesty is legalization with a path to citizenship
70701[13:05] <09dataman> wrong
708[13:05] <@rory096> illegal immigrants cannot apply for citizenship without leaving the country
70901[13:05] <09dataman> amnesty is pardon of crime
710[13:06] <@rory096> lmfao
711[13:06] <@rory096> >IRCA >legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed at least a minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.
71201[13:06] <09dataman> so leave and apply
71301[13:06] <09dataman> not so bad
714[13:06] <@rory096> so... self-deport for 10 years and then apply and hope to be let back in
715[13:06] <@rory096> to the country you were raised in
71601[13:06] <09dataman> my borders my choice
71701[13:06] <09dataman> consent matters
718[13:06] <oren> whoa
71901[13:06] <09dataman> #metoo
720[13:06] <oren> "the Liberian constitution allows only Negros (regardless of cultural or national affiliation) to become citizens, though people of other races may live in Liberia as permanent residents"
721[13:06] <@rory096> yes, and the vast majority of americans want them to be citizens
72201[13:06] <09dataman> wrong
723[13:06] <@rory096> so, not your choice. because you're not dictator
72401[13:06] <09dataman> the minority of voters want them to be citizens
725[13:06] <@rory096> lol
72601[13:07] <09dataman> Democrats trying to set policy from minority position. Stonewalling American government operations on behalf of illegal aliens
72701[13:07] <09dataman> kinda sad
728[13:07] <@rory096> a statistic i'm sure you'll cite
729[13:08] <@rory096> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-back-daca-huge-margin-poll/story?id=50032985
730[13:08] <@rory096> wow 86% support
731[13:08] <@rory096> not shabby
73201[13:08] <09dataman> its been 30 years and no majority voted them amnesty
73301[13:08] <09dataman> ABC polls lol
734[13:08] <@rory096> >A majority of voters, 58 percent, think these undocumented immigrants, also known as Dreamers, should be allowed to stay and become citizens if they meet certain requirements — a sentiment that goes well beyond the existing DACA program. Another 18 percent think they should be allowed to stay and become legal residents, but not citizens. Only 15 percent think they should be removed or deported from the country.
735[13:08] <@rory096> https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/05/poll-trump-deporting-daca-dreamers-242343
736[13:09] <@rory096> oh, only polls of /pol/ work for you then?
73701[13:09] <09dataman> Shit, even Obama said it was unconstitutional when he extended it.
73801[13:09] <09dataman> https://youtu.be/t53EBSqlLIc
73901[13:09] <09dataman> your messiah even disagrees with you
740[13:09] <stratobrowser> rory096> just stating falsehoods with zero self-awareness.
741[13:09] <stratobrowser> rory096: you're just realizing who you're talking to?
742[13:10] <@rory096> ... obama didn't suspend deportations. he deported more than any previous president
743[13:10] <@rory096> >my messiah
744[13:10] <@rory096> lmfao
745[13:10] <Mader_Levap> just assume anything (literally anything) dataman says is bald-faced lie until proven otherwise vOv
746[13:10] <@rory096> i'm a republican you delusional fascist cuck
74701[13:10] <09dataman> show some respect and be an adult
748[13:10] <Mader_Levap> rory096: RINO obv
749[13:11] <@jan64> kek
750[13:11] <oren> Mader_Levap: I don't tell any bald faced lies, I have a moustache!
751[13:11] <Mader_Levap> oren villiain-quality one?
752[13:11] <oren> if dataman has one too he tells hairy-faced lies
753[13:11] <stratobrowser> Mader_Levap: worse than even odds of being truthful. Just take anything he claims as false is better odds than trying the opposite.
754[13:12] <stratobrowser> oren: hairy face? you converting to any religion we should know about?
75501[13:12] <09dataman> oren I have a nice beard
756[13:12] <oren> Mader_Levap: more like hulk hogan unfortunately
75701[13:12] <09dataman> I was warning in italy that my beard might be an issue, muslims see bears as signs of being a "warrior"
75801[13:12] <09dataman> *warned
75901[13:13] <09dataman> I wore it anyway
760[13:13] <@jan64> Beards are nice.
761[13:13] <@jan64> I should probably figure out how to make mine thicker. 
762[13:13] <@jan64> because rn it kinda sucks
763[13:14] <oren> I want a stalin-moustache like by grandpa had
76401[13:14] <09dataman> I think rory096 maxed out and left his chair. Called me a fascist cuck and disappeared lol
76501[13:14] <09dataman> Truth hurts
76601[13:14] <09dataman> poor guy
767[13:14] <@rory096> >truth
768[13:14] <@rory096> you haven't said a single true thing
769[13:14] <@rory096> or even said anything after i (correctly) called you a fascist cuck
77001[13:15] <09dataman> Nah, I requested that you show some respect and debate like an adult
77101[13:15] <09dataman> before that though, it was a litany of baseless claims coming from a weak understanding of US constutional basics
772[13:15] <@jan64> rory096, why cuck? 
773[13:15] <@jan64> i get the fascist part
77401[13:15] <09dataman> he's reaching
775[13:15] <@jan64> and delusional
77601[13:15] <09dataman> yea
777[13:15] <oren> jan64: it's a generalized insult these days
778[13:16] <@rory096> >baseless
779[13:16] <Mader_Levap> jan64: cuck is typical rightwing insult
780[13:16] <@rory096> > weak understanding of US constutional basics
781[13:16] <@rory096> from the guy who thinks congress needs to ratify a nonbinding international agreement lmao
782[13:16] <@jan64> Mader_Levap, now now. We should only use fitting insults.
783[13:16] <Mader_Levap> jan64: when someone calls you gay you dont think he is accusing you of being homosexual, right? same with cuck
78401[13:16] <09dataman> congress needs to ratify US treaties with foreign powers, yea thats 100% true
785[13:16] <@jan64> Mader_Levap, he's accusing me of being more or less a pussy
786[13:16] <@rory096> jan64: dataman doesn't like muslims except when they sneak into his mum's bedroom at night
787[13:16] <@rory096> it's a bit of a stretch for cuck
788[13:16] <oren> what's the opposite of cuckservatives? cuckgressives?
789[13:16] <@jan64> it's in the same ballpark
790[13:17] <@rory096> but he certainly doesn't have a girlfriend, so
79101[13:17] <09dataman> finace
79201[13:17] <09dataman> *fiance
793[13:17] <@jan64> in case of dataman, there's nothing about his behaviour that'd suggest the ballpark of cuck
794[13:17] <@jan64> granted, he could be into niggers fucking his wife when he's at work, but he hasn't expressed anything simillar to that
795[13:17] <@jan64> hence, i'd say, calling him a cuck is unwarranted. 
796[13:17] <Mader_Levap> jan64: it is not about being literal cuck. it is generic insult meaning "I don't like you"
79701[13:17] <09dataman> Calling people "cuck" and wanting to be taken seriously, rory096 you're high
798[13:18] <@rory096> nobody's that afraid of muslims without secretly wanting them fucking his wife
799[13:18] <@jan64> Mader_Levap, there is no such thing as a generic insult. 
800[13:18] <@jan64> all of them have to based in reality. 
80101[13:18] <09dataman> why does your mind drift to this sort of thing rory096? Something you want to tell us
802[13:18] <@jan64> otherwise they aren't really insulting. 
803[13:18] <Mader_Levap> jan64: of course there is and they absolutely do not need to be based in reality
804[13:19] <@jan64> Mader_Levap, you stupid redneck. 
805[13:19] <@jan64> doesn't sound right, does it? 
806[13:19] <oren> and you can attach cuck to any group: cuckservative, cuckhristian, cuckfag 
807[13:19] <@jan64> well, one could argue that stupid is a generalized insult
808[13:19] <Mader_Levap> jan64: when someone insults you calling you "gay", insulter does not care in slighest about your sexual orientation
809[13:19] <@rory096> dataman: i'm not the one trying to deport people who've lived here their entire lives because they're brown and scary
810[13:20] <@rory096> jan64: >implying poles aren't rednecks
811[13:20] <@jan64> kek
81201[13:20] <09dataman> rory0964 they're self deporting
813[13:20] <Mader_Levap> some poles are certainly rednecks (or at least local equivalent)
814[13:20] <@jan64> Mader_Levap, it has to be at least sort of fitting
81501[13:20] <09dataman> becuase they didnt get citizenship in their golden window
816[13:20] <@jan64> Mader_Levap, say you called that guy http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/TheMountainMockingbird.jpg gay. 
817[13:20] <@jan64> it'd be kinda comical
818[13:21] <stratobrowser> <rory096> nobody's that afraid of muslims without secretly wanting them fucking his wife    lol.
819[13:21] <@jan64> granted, i have no idea if he's not actually gay
820[13:21] <@jan64> but, you get the point.
82101[13:21] <09dataman> is rory096 from europe?
822[13:21] <Mader_Levap> jan64: maybe it would be comical, but it still insult. I never said it is good insult :P
82301[13:21] <09dataman> its usually the europeans who pretend to know all about US policy
824[13:21] <@rory096> wot
825[13:21] <@rory096> you know damn well where i live
826[13:21] <@jan64> Mader_Levap, that's getting into semantics.
82701[13:21] <09dataman> I do?
828[13:21] <@rory096> i assume you visited in august
829[13:21] <@jan64> kek
830[13:21] <Mader_Levap> jan64: and you are implying that insults cannot be funny
831[13:21] <Mader_Levap> they can
83201[13:22] <09dataman> sorry rory096 I dont know where you live and never visited you
833[13:22] <@jan64> stratobrowser, yes, that does sound a bit like projecting.
834[13:22] <@jan64> Mader_Levap, there are different types of funny
835[13:22] <@rory096> i live in charlottesville
836[13:22] <@rory096> still sure you haven't visited?
83701[13:22] <09dataman> yes
838[13:22] <oren> rory096: OHHHH
839[13:22] <oren> haahahahahahahaha
840[13:22] <@jan64> making fun of someone, yes. funny but still insulting, yes. funny because it's not really applicable, that's not really an insult anymore
841[13:22] <oren> burned
84201[13:23] <09dataman> charlottesville is a shithole
843[13:23] <@jan64> i thought that was a general thing in the us
84401[13:23] <09dataman> dem cities
845[13:23] <stratobrowser> jan64: it makes me think of how many super homophobic GOP members have been outed in the past decade or two as closetted gay
846[13:24] <@jan64> tbh, that sounds like gay smear campaign
84701[13:24] <09dataman> Grand Rapids and Traverse City are beautiful and well run cities. SC probably has nice, well run cities too.
848[13:24] <@jan64> s/like/like a 
849[13:24] <Qboid> jan64 meant to say: tbh, that sounds like a  gay smear campaign
85001[13:24] <09dataman> Charlottesvill though, shithole
851[13:24] <stratobrowser> visits to Charlottesville in august usually leave a burning memory.
85201[13:24] <09dataman> so rory096 did you go to the protest wearing a pussy hat?
853[13:25] <@rory096> i'll be there with a shotgun next time, you can bet on that
854[13:25] <@rory096> see you there
85501[13:25] <09dataman> hahah a gun threat, Rokker check this out
856[13:25] <@rory096> ... that's not a threat
85701[13:25] <09dataman> k
858[13:26] <@rory096> wot
859[13:26] <@rory096> i will literally be there with a shotgun next time
860[13:26] <Mader_Levap> rory096: you are really taking it too seriously. Why you are worked up so much over some crazy internet nutjob?
861[13:26] <stratobrowser> defending your town from outside agitators seems reasonable.
86201[13:26] <09dataman> rory096 is ready to shoot people to defend illegal aliens
86301[13:26] <09dataman> AMNESTY MOTHERFUCKERS!
864[13:26] <@rory096> Mader_Levap: crazy internet nutjobs murdered a woman 4 blocks from here
86501[13:27] <09dataman> they didnt hit her though
866[13:27] <@rory096> lmfao
86701[13:27] <09dataman> she died of a heart attack remember
868[13:27] <@rory096> this fucking guy right now
869[13:27] <Mader_Levap> rory096: well, they arent "internet" anymore then
870[13:27] <stratobrowser> Mader_Levap: he lives in Charlottesville, he is referencing the neo-nazi nutjobs who invaded his town in August and killed someone...
871[13:27] <Mader_Levap> stratobrowser: yes, I got reference. Iw as here when rory was reporting what is happenign live
87201[13:27] <09dataman> Since she died of a heart attack under 30 years old its more like a suicide by twinkies
87303[13:27] * rory096 sets mode: +b *!~2@*.comcastbusiness.net
87403[13:27] * You were kicked by rory096 (Kindergarten is elsewhere!)
875Session Close: Tue Jan 16 13:27:57 2018