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11this is the sfsf podcast for august 2018
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15this is a special edition featuring
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19george RR martin it was recorded live at
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23the Fox Theatre in Redwood City and it's
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27a fundraiser for locus magazine and now
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31the coordinator of SF and SF
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35Rina Weissman good evening everyone
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39evening with george RR martin and john
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43pokazhi Oh
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47my name is Rina Weissman I'm the
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51coordinator of SF & SF programs we do
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55science fiction in San Francisco since
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592004 we've presented fantasy and science
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63fiction horror and genre authors and
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67films at both the American bookbinders
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71Museum and the Balboa theater in San
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75Francisco you can find us online at SF
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79in SF org but tonight we're more than
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83delighted to be here at the historic Fox
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87Theater in Redwood City as you may have
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91already discovered because I've seen
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95some of you carrying literally a foot of
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99books Borderlands books has some great
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103titles for sale up on the mezzanine the
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107recipient of tonight's effort locus
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111magazine and the locus science fiction
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115foundation has some great premiums for
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119new subscribers you can do print you can
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123do digital that it is an essential part
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127of any science fiction or fantasy fans
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131repertoire believe me and the 76th
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135annual world science fiction convention
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139and Diane Osbourne will be happy to sign
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143you up for the weekends festivities so
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147make sure you visit them all at the
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151intermission or after the event and just
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155to note afterwards we'll be hosting a
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159Q&A with audience members so please feel
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163free when we reconvene after our break
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167to use the mic to the side stage left
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171and Marin of Soma FM internet radio will
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175be there to assist you and as a little
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179extra please note we will have a little
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183thank you gift for attendees in the
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187lobby as you exit so
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191take a look for that so your being here
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195tonight is especially important this
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199event is a fundraiser for the local
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203science fiction foundation the nonprofit
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207arm of locus magazine they're
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211celebrating their 50th anniversary this
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215year
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219yay any magazine that lasts 50 years is
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223we're celebrating believe me they are
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227the magazine of record for the science
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231fiction fantasy literary field and as a
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235board member of the foundation
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239thank you all for contributing to their
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243continued existence by being here
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247tonight locus magazine was founded in
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2511968 in new york by charles and brown
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255and others it began as a one-page
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259mimeograph zine made to promote the
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263Boston and 71 world con bid you'll
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267remember what mimeograph were right
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271that's probably a locus staffer up there
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275who ran the mimeograph machine at one
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279point soon Charles Brown relocated to
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283Oakland he actually quit his day job in
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2871976 to run the magazine as a full-time
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291editor in the late 1970's locust became
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295a monthly and it's firmly established as
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299the preeminent trade magazine for the
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303science fiction fantasy publishing field
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307they feature book reviews author
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319conventions that you could wish for and
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323listings of all science fiction and
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327fantasy books published in English and
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331over the years they have won an
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335incredible 30 Hugo awards for their work
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339since January 2011 as well the magazine
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347so you can really have it all upon the
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351death of Charles Brown in 2009 executive
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355editor Liza groen traii took the helm
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359very capably
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363as the editor-in-chief and publisher and
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367launched the non profit locus science
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371fiction foundation so this event to
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375benefit the foundation is made possible
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379by the help given by many I'd like to
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383first and foremost thank Tachyon
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387publications local science fiction
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391fantasy publisher who is our generous
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395sponsor underwriting the evening
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399[Applause]
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403I would also like to thank Raya golden
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407Leonor Gallegos the amazing and
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411tremendous borderlands books the world
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415science fiction convention Christine
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419Doyle Kevin Roche soma FM internet radio
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423who is recording this event for later
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427podcast the Fox Theater and their
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431fabulous staff Broadway by the bay for
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435allowing us to co-op this beautiful
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439theater for the evening from there at
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443Saturday Night Fever production and last
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447but not least a great great thank you
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451and an incredible debt that I could
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455never repay and anybody who is a fan of
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459the magazine can't accept by subscribing
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463the incredible staff interns and
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467volunteers that have kept locusts in
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471print for the past 50 years thank you
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475our guests this evening they're both
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479friends and professional collaborators
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483they're well known to the science
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487fiction and fantasy world artist john
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491picasso is one of the most acclaimed
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495american artists in the science fiction
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499and fantasy field over the last decade
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503he created the best-selling artwork for
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507George RR Martin's A Song of Ice and
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511Fire series including the 2012 calendar
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515as well as the Star Trek and x-men
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519franchises major clients in book
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523production design and cover art include
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527penguin Random House Tour Books
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531HarperCollins scholastic Simon &
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535Schuster tachyon publications
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543Dark Horse Comics among others his body
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547of work features major cover
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551illustrations for authors such as
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555Michael Moorcock Loren bukas Harlan
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563Simmons sherry chipper James Tiptree jr.
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567Chris Roberson Jeffrey for Joe our
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571Landsdale and many many more I'm sure
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575you recognize some of your favorite
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579authors in that list so our net our
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583other guest really doesn't need any
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587introduction except I will say yes he
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591knows
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595don't ask and with that I would like to
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599introduce John Kakashi oh and george RR
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603martin thank you
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607[Applause]
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627or are you beautiful people out there
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631thanks for coming out this is gonna be
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635fun if you say yeah this is a cool place
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639yeah it's beautiful sitter very nice
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643yeah I love old theaters you're gonna
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647take this one over to nah this is
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651gorgeous
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655all right well thank you all for coming
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659yeah - uh - our little presentation here
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663on behalf of Lucas magazine yay Lucas
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667now you're helping to support locust
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671just by being here and paying your
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675admission but those of you who are
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679interested in science fiction/fantasy
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683if you're not already a subscriber to
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687locus you should get yourself a
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691subscription it's the Publishers Weekly
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695of science fiction it's a part of the
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699field that reviews all the current books
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703has all the current news great
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707interviews so yeah Lucas yeah for sure
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711[Applause]
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715and thank you to Rena and SF NSF for
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719putting this together
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723I mean she just been grinding for weeks
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727to make this happen so yeah I must say
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731let's give a hand to Rena Wiseman and
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735sms so you know she gives us long intro
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739for me and of course for him there's we
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743don't need anything right and I think
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747that's pretty valid you know so have you
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751have you guys in this room or like who
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755the hell is this guy
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759we were sitting back there chatting it
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763up as we do and I didn't even realize
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767here it is we've known about this for
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771months now and I realized wait a minute
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77510 years ago is when he and I kind of
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779had our basically our he thinks we he
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783remembers us meeting earlier than this
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787but 10 years ago is when I walk up to
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791him at a world con it's the 2008 world
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795science fiction convention in Denver
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799Colorado and it was a Saturday night it
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803was a party the party's going on in the
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807party hotel as they do and I walk up to
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811him he's with a group of his friends and
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815I was walking in there I think with Lou
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819Anders and a few of my friends and I had
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823a portfolio back in those that day in
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827those days surgically attached to my
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831armpit and because I was always hustling
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835for gigs and I walked up to him and I
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839said hey man I don't want to show any
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843pictures right now but sometime during
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847the show I'd love to show you a few and
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851you know I do covers he's like don't
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855worry John all right know who you are
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859how the hell do you know who I am and
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863he's like I you did this cover you did
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867Elric you've done this you've done this
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871you've done that and he just rattled off
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875off the top of his head while he's
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879drinking so he's got a Coke in his hand
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883or whatever he was drinking and and I
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887was like holy you do know who I am
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891and uh you know he said don't worry
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895we'll work together someday and I
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899remember walking away with Lou and my
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903friends saying he was just being nice he
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905227
90600:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,239
907was just buttering me up but that was a
908
909228
91000:10:05,239 --> 00:10:07,069
911really great brush-off that was amazing
912
913229
91400:10:07,069 --> 00:10:10,789
915how he did that
916
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91800:10:10,789 --> 00:10:12,679
919and I really did think he was just he
920
921231
92200:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,539
923just was the coolest guy and it just it
924
925232
92600:10:14,539 --> 00:10:15,769
927was amazing how he just brushed me off
928
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93000:10:15,769 --> 00:10:18,439
931like that it was it was super awesome
932
933234
93400:10:18,439 --> 00:10:21,319
935and then a year later I'm at world
936
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93800:10:21,319 --> 00:10:23,059
939science fiction convention again and I
940
941236
94200:10:23,059 --> 00:10:25,669
943mean give a show of hands here or give
944
945237
94600:10:25,669 --> 00:10:27,109
947some applause if you know what world
948
949238
95000:10:27,109 --> 00:10:28,159
951kind of world science fiction convention
952
953239
95400:10:28,159 --> 00:10:32,119
955is please okay the entire house says
956
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95800:10:32,119 --> 00:10:33,379
959some of you actually don't know that
960
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96200:10:33,379 --> 00:10:34,579
963world science fiction convention is
964
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96600:10:34,579 --> 00:10:36,439
967about to happen this week here in your
968
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97000:10:36,439 --> 00:10:39,109
971town so please be aware by the end of
972
973244
97400:10:39,109 --> 00:10:40,789
975this you ought to look into that it's an
976
977245
97800:10:40,789 --> 00:10:42,889
979amazing magical experience so just to
980
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98200:10:42,889 --> 00:10:46,729
983finish this story off real quick I was
984
985247
98600:10:46,729 --> 00:10:49,999
987that Montreal next year in 2009 for
988
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991Worldcon and he walks up to me this time
992
993249
99400:10:52,489 --> 00:10:54,049
995at a party and says hey remember that
996
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99800:10:54,049 --> 00:10:55,609
999last time we talked last year let's go
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100200:10:55,609 --> 00:10:59,449
1003talk in the bar and we did you wanna
1004
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100600:10:59,449 --> 00:11:00,979
1007tell your version of this or should I
1008
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101000:11:00,979 --> 00:11:03,559
1011just keep going wait you're doing fine
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1015you can continue yes I did
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101800:11:05,959 --> 00:11:07,489
1019I were to ask you about the calendar
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102200:11:07,489 --> 00:11:10,459
1023yeah yeah so he says so we go down to
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102600:11:10,459 --> 00:11:12,499
1027this bar and we picked the back table
1028
1029258
103000:11:12,499 --> 00:11:15,379
1031and he says have you read my Song of Ice
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103400:11:15,379 --> 00:11:16,789
1035and Fire books and I said are those the
1036
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103800:11:16,789 --> 00:11:18,649
1039big fat ones he said yeah those are the
1040
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1043big fat ones I think yeah I haven't read
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104600:11:20,209 --> 00:11:22,879
1047them he says yeah he says says yeah I
1048
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1051guess
1052
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105400:11:24,610 --> 00:11:28,089
1055and and I said you know at the time I
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105800:11:28,089 --> 00:11:30,429
1059remember I'll just shorten this up but
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1063basically I said I'm working on 13
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106600:11:32,019 --> 00:11:33,879
1067covers right now and I'm working on all
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107000:11:33,879 --> 00:11:35,110
1071the interiors for the new Michael
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107400:11:35,110 --> 00:11:38,799
1075Moorcock Elric omnibus and you know I've
1076
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107800:11:38,799 --> 00:11:40,869
1079got a lot of stuff going on and he says
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108200:11:40,869 --> 00:11:42,459
1083I've got this calendar project I'm
1084
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108600:11:42,459 --> 00:11:44,319
1087wanting to do with my Song of Ice and
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1091Fire
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109400:11:44,860 --> 00:11:47,079
1095books and have you seen the Michael Cole
1096
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109800:11:47,079 --> 00:11:48,309
1099Mart calendar of Michael Cole Mark's
1100
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1103amazing illustrator I said yeah I've
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1107seen it but I just haven't seen it in
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111000:11:51,519 --> 00:11:52,749
1111stores he's like yeah that's cuz it has
1112
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111400:11:52,749 --> 00:11:54,369
1115horrible distribution it says we're
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111800:11:54,369 --> 00:11:56,529
1119taking it to Random House and I want to
1120
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1123revamp this project because I want you
1124
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112600:11:58,869 --> 00:12:01,089
1127said you wanted calendars sort of in the
1128
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113000:12:01,089 --> 00:12:02,110
1131tradition of what the Hildebrandt
1132
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113400:12:02,110 --> 00:12:04,119
1135brothers well what did the Tolkien
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113800:12:04,119 --> 00:12:05,980
1139calendar the annual Tolkien calendar
1140
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1143which had been going from in early years
1144
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114600:12:07,749 --> 00:12:09,759
1147I wanted to do something similar for
1148
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1151Westeros and you know Song of Ice and
1152
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115400:12:12,939 --> 00:12:15,939
1155Fire and yeah we did launch it in 2009
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115800:12:15,939 --> 00:12:18,819
1159Michael Cole mark did the first one but
1160
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1163for a small publisher and there were
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116600:12:20,619 --> 00:12:22,420
1167real problems with order fulfillment and
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117000:12:22,420 --> 00:12:25,600
1171distribution and 2010 we were supposed
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117400:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,339
1175to do one Michael OODA was signed to do
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117800:12:27,339 --> 00:12:29,679
1179it but then it fell apart over payment
1180
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118200:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,239
1183issues and all that so we had to revamp
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118600:12:31,239 --> 00:12:34,629
1187it all with the 2011 so I think that was
1188
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1191the one I asked do you want to be
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1195supposed to do that one remember I was
1196
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119800:12:38,319 --> 00:12:39,999
1199too slow I was I was taking too long so
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1203we put in the naismith that's right yes
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120600:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,779
1207that's right yes that worked out really
1208
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121000:12:43,779 --> 00:12:45,730
1211well for me because Naismith ended up
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121400:12:45,730 --> 00:12:47,489
1215his calendar came out right before
1216
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121800:12:47,489 --> 00:12:50,019
1219season 1 of Game of Thrones happens but
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122200:12:50,019 --> 00:12:51,790
1223I'm missing a beat here y'all I want to
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122600:12:51,790 --> 00:12:54,519
1227tell you that so I I tell him at the
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123000:12:54,519 --> 00:12:56,169
1231time that I have no business doing this
1232
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123400:12:56,169 --> 00:12:57,549
1235calendar I'm sitting there in that bar
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123800:12:57,549 --> 00:12:58,959
1239in Montreal saying I've got no business
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1243doing this because I've got too much
1244
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124600:13:00,100 --> 00:13:02,259
1247work going on but I said I can't say no
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125000:13:02,259 --> 00:13:03,279
1251to this either because I've always
1252
1253314
125400:13:03,279 --> 00:13:05,410
1255wanted to work with you so yeah I'd love
1256
1257315
125800:13:05,410 --> 00:13:08,739
1259to do this and we shook hands and that
1260
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126200:13:08,739 --> 00:13:10,839
1263is still one of the most magical
1264
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126600:13:10,839 --> 00:13:12,029
1267experiences of my life
1268
1269318
127000:13:12,029 --> 00:13:17,290
1271handshake first I said well I want you
1272
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127400:13:17,290 --> 00:13:19,600
1275to do the counter hand and you said oh
1276
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127800:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,499
1279yeah what month we smile which one
1280
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128200:13:22,499 --> 00:13:25,739
1283I told DiMaggio I said which month
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128600:13:25,739 --> 00:13:28,969
1287I'm serious I should well all of them
1288
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129000:13:28,969 --> 00:13:36,059
1291yeah as a complete dumbass but yeah I I
1292
1293324
129400:13:36,059 --> 00:13:37,589
1295two weeks later I signed the deal with
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129800:13:37,589 --> 00:13:39,509
1299Random House and then he calls me up and
1300
1301326
130200:13:39,509 --> 00:13:41,399
1303says hey I signed a deal today too or I
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130600:13:41,399 --> 00:13:44,369
1307just signed a deal as well and it was
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1311HBO with to do Game of Thrones but I
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131400:13:47,519 --> 00:13:49,109
1315will say this man from the beginning
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1319even at that bar in the basement in
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1323Montreal and in the basement that Hotel
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132600:13:53,399 --> 00:13:55,709
1327in Montreal he said I want a John
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1331Picasso vision of my book characters he
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133400:13:58,439 --> 00:14:00,629
1335says there may be something coming down
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133800:14:00,629 --> 00:14:02,069
1339the road here I think even at the bar I
1340
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134200:14:02,069 --> 00:14:03,809
1343don't know if you used the words HBO but
1344
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134600:14:03,809 --> 00:14:05,399
1347you knew somebody was coming obviously
1348
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135000:14:05,399 --> 00:14:07,319
1351and he's but you said don't pay
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135400:14:07,319 --> 00:14:10,049
1355attention to any of that and that's what
1356
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135800:14:10,049 --> 00:14:11,639
1359really made that project such a dream
1360
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136200:14:11,639 --> 00:14:13,349
1363project because at this point my point
1364
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136600:14:13,349 --> 00:14:15,479
1367is there was no game of thrones TV show
1368
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137000:14:15,479 --> 00:14:17,549
1371this was just me doing my interpretation
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137400:14:17,549 --> 00:14:19,889
1375of these characters and it was one of
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137800:14:19,889 --> 00:14:21,389
1379the best pieces of art direction I've
1380
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138200:14:21,389 --> 00:14:22,619
1383ever been given which was just basically
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138600:14:22,619 --> 00:14:25,499
1387trust the artist and he put his total
1388
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139000:14:25,499 --> 00:14:27,779
1391faith in me and I've always been
1392
1393349
139400:14:27,779 --> 00:14:28,649
1395grateful for that
1396
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139800:14:28,649 --> 00:14:32,759
1399are you happy with the entire calendar I
1400
1401351
140200:14:32,759 --> 00:14:38,720
1403mean it's not a big moneymaker you know
1404
1405352
140600:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,249
1407sadly a lot of people don't like
1408
1409353
141000:14:41,249 --> 00:14:43,589
1411telander study war calendar sales have
1412
1413354
141400:14:43,589 --> 00:14:45,209
1415been like that everybody knows what day
1416
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141800:14:45,209 --> 00:14:49,349
1419it is on their phone so calendar sales
1420
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142200:14:49,349 --> 00:14:53,009
1423are not what they were but I love as
1424
1425357
142600:14:53,009 --> 00:14:54,749
1427we'll talk about later I love science
1428
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143000:14:54,749 --> 00:15:00,169
1431fiction and fantasy art and we have had
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143400:15:00,169 --> 00:15:04,799
1435chances not only to to have John and Ted
1436
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143800:15:04,799 --> 00:15:06,419
1439ministereth before him and Michael Co
1440
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144200:15:06,419 --> 00:15:08,309
1443Marc but since then we've had we've had
1444
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144600:15:08,309 --> 00:15:11,790
1447Gary Johnny we had Magali Villeneuve a
1448
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145000:15:11,790 --> 00:15:16,589
1451not Asian Cola yeah and donado and this
1452
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145400:15:16,589 --> 00:15:18,480
1455year's calendar it just came out is by
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145800:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,290
1459John Jude Alan Carr and we have certain
1460
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1463balking yeah Eric bill bill Hagen did
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146600:15:27,000 --> 00:15:32,910
1467one and did iere graph a the French
1468
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147000:15:32,910 --> 00:15:33,990
1471artist is awesome
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147400:15:33,990 --> 00:15:38,760
1475so Michael simonetti we've had some of
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147800:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,800
1479that yeah I mean what I wanted it to be
1480
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148200:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,209
1483would be the leading fantasy and science
1484
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148600:15:45,209 --> 00:15:47,820
1487fiction artists around the world it each
1488
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1491one to do with their own visions and of
1492
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149400:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,360
1495course when the show came out you know
1496
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149800:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,220
1499the HP also came out with their calendar
1500
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1503so you can if you want you can buy a
1504
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150600:15:55,019 --> 00:15:56,820
1507calendar that stills from the show and
1508
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151000:15:56,820 --> 00:15:59,910
1511pictures of the actors but when I when
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151400:15:59,910 --> 00:16:02,310
1515we hire artists to do that I most of
1516
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151800:16:02,310 --> 00:16:03,690
1519them have seen the show now but I said
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152200:16:03,690 --> 00:16:07,709
1523we don't don't paint the actors we can't
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152600:16:07,709 --> 00:16:09,269
1527do that
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1531Darryl HBO has theirs with pictures of
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1535the actors and we have ours which are
1536
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153800:16:12,959 --> 00:16:15,360
1539your interpretations of my words on
1540
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154200:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,370
1543paper yeah but that was the cool thing
1544
1545387
154600:16:17,370 --> 00:16:19,649
1547too it's like he told me that he wanted
1548
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155000:16:19,649 --> 00:16:21,720
1551this vision of his book characters and
1552
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155400:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,639
1555that there might be this TV show and I
1556
1557390
155800:16:23,639 --> 00:16:25,079
1559remember that phone call to her you said
1560
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1563if we could just get a pilot done I'd be
1564
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156600:16:27,060 --> 00:16:29,760
1567happy for that at that point just you
1568
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157000:16:29,760 --> 00:16:30,660
1571were just hoping that we could get a
1572
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157400:16:30,660 --> 00:16:32,790
1575pilot we actually got two pilots funny
1576
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157800:16:32,790 --> 00:16:36,240
1579yeah yeah yeah I mean this was a
1580
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158200:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,480
1583different era you know and but and yet
1584
1585397
158600:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,630
1587it wasn't that long ago and so you know
1588
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159000:16:42,630 --> 00:16:44,699
1591at that point there was no Peter
1592
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159400:16:44,699 --> 00:16:51,779
1595Dinklage is Tyrion or but you know there
1596
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159800:16:51,779 --> 00:16:56,279
1599you go Maisie Williams Amelia Darrington
1600
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1603so yeah I didn't have these actors in my
1604
1605402
160600:16:58,500 --> 00:17:00,449
1607head and I look back now and thank God I
1608
1609403
161000:17:00,449 --> 00:17:02,399
1611didn't have him my ex I don't have to
1612
1613404
161400:17:02,399 --> 00:17:05,250
1615block him out you know but uh anyway so
1616
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161800:17:05,250 --> 00:17:07,919
1619that project happened and it was pretty
1620
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162200:17:07,919 --> 00:17:10,530
1623it was ten years ago this month so I'm
1624
1625407
162600:17:10,530 --> 00:17:11,610
1627gonna get this out of the way because
1628
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163000:17:11,610 --> 00:17:13,380
1631I'm I'm already Kinsella just looking
1632
1633409
163400:17:13,380 --> 00:17:15,059
1635around the room there's a question
1636
1637410
163800:17:15,059 --> 00:17:18,270
1639that's just hanging right right in there
1640
1641411
164200:17:18,270 --> 00:17:21,690
1643so we're my favorite color is purple
1644
1645412
164600:17:21,690 --> 00:17:28,800
1647and knew you wanted to know there you go
1648
1649413
165000:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,340
1651psychic hotline where you at with winds
1652
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165400:17:32,340 --> 00:17:34,400
1655of winter how's it coming
1656
1657415
165800:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,730
1659working on it working on it believe me
1660
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166200:17:38,730 --> 00:17:41,280
1663you'll know when it's done it'll be a
1664
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166600:17:41,280 --> 00:17:46,140
1667shop that has heard round the world so
1668
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167000:17:46,140 --> 00:17:48,900
1671we got fire and blood coming in November
1672
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167400:17:48,900 --> 00:17:50,640
1675November that's right
1676
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167800:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,820
1679firing blood volume one so this book
1680
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168200:17:53,820 --> 00:17:58,490
1683yeah go ahead
1684
1685422
168600:17:58,490 --> 00:18:03,450
1687and I know I know that a day after fire
1688
1689423
169000:18:03,450 --> 00:18:05,580
1691and blood number one hits the stands and
1692
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169400:18:05,580 --> 00:18:09,780
1695is sold someone will say when is fire
1696
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169800:18:09,780 --> 00:18:15,090
1699and blood number two coming out so the
1700
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170200:18:15,090 --> 00:18:17,570
1703answer will be years from now
1704
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170600:18:17,570 --> 00:18:19,770
1707when did it first occur to you that this
1708
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171000:18:19,770 --> 00:18:21,330
1711that the targaryen so this book is
1712
1713429
171400:18:21,330 --> 00:18:23,460
1715basically a massive history of the
1716
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171800:18:23,460 --> 00:18:25,800
1719targaryen x' and when did it first occur
1720
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1723to you that this needed to be put into a
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1727published volume on its own like this
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1729433
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1731how far back were you thinking well it
1732
1733434
173400:18:32,490 --> 00:18:35,130
1735the history is kind of checkered you
1736
1737435
173800:18:35,130 --> 00:18:36,780
1739know a number of years ago we did the
1740
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1743world of Ice and Fire
1744
1745437
174600:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,290
1747have any of you've seen that then and
1748
1749438
175000:18:40,290 --> 00:18:46,110
1751poured this book and and the idea of
1752
1753439
175400:18:46,110 --> 00:18:48,030
1755that book was to do a concordance of
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1757440
175800:18:48,030 --> 00:18:51,090
1759Westeros and the world beyond Westeros
1760
1761441
176200:18:51,090 --> 00:18:55,020
1763and to do it as a as a art book we
1764
1765442
176600:18:55,020 --> 00:18:57,480
1767wanted you know we wanted beautiful art
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1769443
177000:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,580
1771in a coffee table book large oversized
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1773444
177400:18:59,580 --> 00:19:02,580
1775book with lots of art displayed
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1777445
177800:19:02,580 --> 00:19:06,300
1779beautifully high gloss paper so the
1780
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1783artwork would be showed to best
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1785447
178600:19:07,530 --> 00:19:11,130
1787advantage art on every page and I
1788
1789448
179000:19:11,130 --> 00:19:16,620
1791brought in to uber fans Elio Garcia and
1792
1793449
179400:19:16,620 --> 00:19:19,440
1795Linda Antonin who did a westeros website
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1799to help me with this is of course I was
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1803writing the books and working on the
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1805452
180600:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,670
1807show and the idea was okay Elio and
1808
1809453
181000:19:29,670 --> 00:19:31,050
1811Linda would go through all of the
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1813454
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1815published novels and pulled out every
1816
1817455
181800:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,480
1819reference I've had to history to
1820
1821456
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1823you know other kingdoms to past
1824
1825457
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1827Targaryen Kings they would organize
1828
1829458
183000:19:39,590 --> 00:19:41,900
1831everything I had already said the cannon
1832
1833459
183400:19:41,900 --> 00:19:46,130
1835and then I would look at that and they
1836
1837460
183800:19:46,130 --> 00:19:47,480
1839you know they would write a rough graph
1840
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1843to the history based on what the stuff
1844
1845462
184600:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,050
1847I'd already said I would look at it I
1848
1849463
185000:19:51,050 --> 00:19:54,620
1851would polish it and I would flush out
1852
1853464
185400:19:54,620 --> 00:19:56,780
1855places where there were holes where I
1856
1857465
185800:19:56,780 --> 00:20:00,230
1859hadn't said very much and then I said
1860
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1863you know there there are certain aspects
1864
1865467
186600:20:01,850 --> 00:20:03,380
1867of history that I know a certain amount
1868
1869468
187000:20:03,380 --> 00:20:05,450
1871about that I've never actually put in
1872
1873469
187400:20:05,450 --> 00:20:07,340
1875the books a it exists it's in my head
1876
1877470
187800:20:07,340 --> 00:20:09,380
1879it's in my notes but it's not in the
1880
1881471
188200:20:09,380 --> 00:20:10,970
1883book so I'll write a few sidebars
1884
1885472
188600:20:10,970 --> 00:20:13,220
1887that'll be you know little interesting
1888
1889473
189000:20:13,220 --> 00:20:15,830
1891stories that never have gotten in the
1892
1893474
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1895books yet and we budgeted this we did a
1896
1897475
189800:20:18,950 --> 00:20:21,050
1899contract we had a bigger budget to buy a
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1901476
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1903lot of work for this art on every page
1904
1905477
190600:20:23,090 --> 00:20:26,600
1907concept and the contract quote for
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1909478
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191150,000 words of prose so Illya and Linda
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1915got in there and they pulled out my
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1917480
191800:20:31,370 --> 00:20:33,740
1919stuff and they organized it all and they
1920
1921481
192200:20:33,740 --> 00:20:35,150
1923put it chronologically and they
1924
1925482
192600:20:35,150 --> 00:20:37,130
1927indicated there were holes and they
1928
1929483
193000:20:37,130 --> 00:20:40,730
1931submitted it to me and they had 70,000
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1935words so we were 20,000 words over
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1937485
193800:20:44,270 --> 00:20:47,450
1939before I even started and then I I took
1940
1941486
194200:20:47,450 --> 00:20:49,430
1943what they did and I polished it expanded
1944
1945487
194600:20:49,430 --> 00:20:51,140
1947it and filled up in the holes and now
1948
1949488
195000:20:51,140 --> 00:20:52,910
1951we're up to like a hundred thousand
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1953489
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1955words and then I wrote started writing
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1957490
195800:20:56,180 --> 00:20:58,640
1959my sidebars and I got halfway through to
1960
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196200:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,030
1963targaryen and I realized I'd written
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1967three hundred and fifty thousand words
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1969493
197000:21:03,590 --> 00:21:12,850
1971or sidebars so my publisher said hmm
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1973494
197400:21:12,850 --> 00:21:17,390
1975well we could do this but this idea of
1976
1977495
197800:21:17,390 --> 00:21:20,780
1979art on every page will you know we've
1980
1981496
198200:21:20,780 --> 00:21:22,760
1983already spent the entire art budget to
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1985497
198600:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,950
1987illustrate deep fifty thousand words you
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1989498
199000:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,350
1991were supposed to write and we don't have
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1993499
199400:21:27,350 --> 00:21:30,650
1995any more art budget here and artists you
1996
1997500
199800:21:30,650 --> 00:21:31,760
1999know I don't know if you guys know this
2000
2001501
200200:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,740
2003but he's artists of this and doing have
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2005502
200600:21:33,740 --> 00:21:37,070
2007been wanting to be paid somehow the
2008
2009503
201000:21:37,070 --> 00:21:39,440
2011honor of working on a project like this
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2013504
201400:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,660
2015is just not enough for them they want to
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2017505
201800:21:41,660 --> 00:21:45,710
2019be paid so if we publish all this it's
2020
2021506
202200:21:45,710 --> 00:21:48,590
2023gonna have to be heart on every 20 pages
2024
2025507
202600:21:48,590 --> 00:21:48,920
2027and
2028
2029508
203000:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,260
203120 pictures of dick well no that's not
2032
2033509
203400:21:51,260 --> 00:21:53,150
2035the concept so I ripped out all of my
2036
2037510
203800:21:53,150 --> 00:21:56,150
2039sidebars and we went ahead and we
2040
2041511
204200:21:56,150 --> 00:21:57,740
2043finished a book and republishes a very
2044
2045512
204600:21:57,740 --> 00:21:59,210
2047nice book it has harder than every page
2048
2049513
205000:21:59,210 --> 00:22:03,680
2051it's gorgeous it has two histories Elio
2052
2053514
205400:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,780
2055and Linda condensed a lot of the stuff
2056
2057515
205800:22:05,780 --> 00:22:08,330
2059that I'd done a date abridged it's very
2060
2061516
206200:22:08,330 --> 00:22:10,940
2063severely they cut it back but meanwhile
2064
2065517
206600:22:10,940 --> 00:22:13,550
2067I was left with threes 350,000 words of
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2069518
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2071Targaryen history and I started taking
2072
2073519
207400:22:17,930 --> 00:22:20,090
2075versions of it in them my friend Gardner
2076
2077520
207800:22:20,090 --> 00:22:25,480
2079Dozois who passed away a few months ago
2080
2081521
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2083had these anthologies so and some of
2084
2085522
208600:22:28,820 --> 00:22:30,830
2087them I did with him so we published a
2088
2089523
209000:22:30,830 --> 00:22:35,330
2091chunk of it in dangerous women which
2092
2093524
209400:22:35,330 --> 00:22:36,890
2095Carter and I did together the princess
2096
2097525
209800:22:36,890 --> 00:22:38,690
2099in a queen and we published another
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2101526
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2103chunk called the rogue prince and
2104
2105527
210600:22:40,190 --> 00:22:42,970
2107anthology called robes and just earlier
2108
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2111late last year we published a section
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2113529
211400:22:46,150 --> 00:22:49,130
2115called sons of the Dragon in a gardeners
2116
2117530
211800:22:49,130 --> 00:22:52,160
2119anthology book of swords but there was a
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2121531
212200:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,380
2123lot more and so I said well this would
2124
2125532
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2127be my I'm some early on we called it the
2128
2129533
213000:22:57,770 --> 00:23:02,000
2131Grimm really on and I will get back to
2132
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2135it when I finish the main series and
2136
2137535
213800:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,060
2139then I will publish this
2140
2141536
214200:23:08,060 --> 00:23:12,080
2143similarly on Grimm early on whatever and
2144
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2147that that was the way it was for several
2148
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2151years where I worked on the books but
2152
2153539
215400:23:16,880 --> 00:23:23,240
2155then as you know HBO decided to develop
2156
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215800:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,960
2159a number of successor series to Game of
2160
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216200:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,680
2163Thrones because Game of Thrones is
2164
2165542
216600:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,780
2167ending as you may know this upcoming
2168
2169543
217000:23:32,780 --> 00:23:36,680
2171eighth season will be the last and but
2172
2173544
217400:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,300
2175it won't be the last thing of Westeros
2176
2177545
217800:23:38,300 --> 00:23:41,990
2179we're developing five successor series
2180
2181546
218200:23:41,990 --> 00:23:44,960
2183and there may be more and some of those
2184
2185547
218600:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,620
2187successor series are based on material
2188
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2191from my sidebars
2192
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2195[Applause]
2196
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2199so when my publishers heard that they
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2201551
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2203said well we should publish the sidebars
2204
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2207then before the new shows come out so
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2209553
221000:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,870
2211can you finish up
2212
2213554
221400:24:10,870 --> 00:24:13,000
2215you know I'd left a few holes and in
2216
2217555
221800:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,920
2219this can you finish that part up and
2220
2221556
222200:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,440
2223then we'll publish that and we want that
2224
2225557
222600:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,680
2227next so I published I filled up the
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2231holes and we finished the first volume
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2233559
223400:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,070
2235fire and blood and November 20th it'll
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223800:24:27,070 --> 00:24:28,810
2239be out it covers all of Targaryen
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2243history from Aegon's conquest up to the
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2247Regency for Aegon the third which is
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2251about half of Targaryen history there's
2252
2253564
225400:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,680
2255a lot more left and there's a lot of you
2256
2257565
225800:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,480
2259know there's versions of the princess
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2263and the Queen and the rogue Prince the
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226600:24:49,090 --> 00:24:50,500
2267verses that you read in those
2268
2269568
227000:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,210
2271anthologies if you read them are
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2273569
227400:24:52,210 --> 00:24:53,440
2275abridged
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2277570
227800:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,390
2279these will be the full versions for the
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228200:24:55,390 --> 00:24:57,430
2283first time published and then there's a
2284
2285572
228600:24:57,430 --> 00:24:59,920
2287lot of material about kings that has
2288
2289573
229000:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,720
2291never been published before so that's
2292
2293574
229400:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,950
2295all in there too and it should be pretty
2296
2297575
229800:25:05,950 --> 00:25:07,720
2299we're gonna have some art and it's not
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2301576
230200:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,220
2303going to be a coffee table book though
2304
2305577
230600:25:09,220 --> 00:25:10,990
2307but we will have some some lovely
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2311interior or more like the variety of if
2312
2313579
231400:25:14,980 --> 00:25:17,260
2315any of you have seen the night of Seven
2316
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231800:25:17,260 --> 00:25:18,790
2319Kingdoms with the black and white art
2320
2321581
232200:25:18,790 --> 00:25:20,770
2323and that that's all by Gary Johnny or
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2325582
232600:25:20,770 --> 00:25:23,170
2327more recently anniversary edition of
2328
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233000:25:23,170 --> 00:25:25,750
2331Game of Thrones had a variety of artists
2332
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233400:25:25,750 --> 00:25:27,550
2335illustrating it so it'll be more like
2336
2337585
233800:25:27,550 --> 00:25:35,220
2339that what black and white illustrations
2340
2341586
234200:25:35,220 --> 00:25:38,710
2343yes yes and there'll be a deluxe edition
2344
2345587
234600:25:38,710 --> 00:25:40,570
2347from subterranean press that we'll have
2348
2349588
235000:25:40,570 --> 00:25:43,570
2351that was or even more art I do like
2352
2353589
235400:25:43,570 --> 00:25:45,760
2355fantasy art as you see I try to sneak in
2356
2357590
235800:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,930
2359at their books wherever I can
2360
2361591
236200:25:46,930 --> 00:25:50,500
2363yay well come back come back to that bit
2364
2365592
236600:25:50,500 --> 00:25:53,440
2367at the end I'm actually gonna bounce us
2368
2369593
237000:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,690
2371back a little more toward toward early
2372
2373594
237400:25:55,690 --> 00:25:59,170
2375roots here you know preparing for this
2376
2377595
237800:25:59,170 --> 00:26:00,550
2379event I think I've watched just about
2380
2381596
238200:26:00,550 --> 00:26:02,470
2383every interview you've done since 2011
2384
2385597
238600:26:02,470 --> 00:26:04,060
2387on YouTube which is like like 30 hours
2388
2389598
239000:26:04,060 --> 00:26:06,809
2391of stuff oh dear gone over her
2392
2393599
239400:26:06,809 --> 00:26:08,789
2395you've gone over this a bit before in
2396
2397600
239800:26:08,789 --> 00:26:10,110
2399those but I want to take this in a
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2401601
240200:26:10,110 --> 00:26:11,940
2403slightly different direction so you're
2404
2405602
240600:26:11,940 --> 00:26:14,610
2407growing up in Bayonne New Jersey you
2408
2409603
241000:26:14,610 --> 00:26:18,019
2411know you you grew up as a poor kid
2412
2413604
241400:26:18,019 --> 00:26:20,759
2415but your family wasn't always poor and
2416
2417605
241800:26:20,759 --> 00:26:24,179
2419you had you had a certain set of
2420
2421606
242200:26:24,179 --> 00:26:25,889
2423memories and experiences growing up
2424
2425607
242600:26:25,889 --> 00:26:28,440
2427within the area that you you did were
2428
2429608
243000:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,710
2431you had to encounter well my family
2432
2433609
243400:26:31,710 --> 00:26:35,249
2435during my lifetime was poor but yes we
2436
2437610
243800:26:35,249 --> 00:26:37,289
2439had family legends families histories of
2440
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2443what had come before us you know my
2444
2445612
244600:26:41,220 --> 00:26:45,149
2447mother was a Brady and the Brady's came
2448
2449613
245000:26:45,149 --> 00:26:46,499
2451to United States during the potato
2452
2453614
245400:26:46,499 --> 00:26:49,259
2455famine and settled in Bayonne and made
2456
2457615
245800:26:49,259 --> 00:26:50,820
2459quite a success of themselves
2460
2461616
246200:26:50,820 --> 00:26:52,980
2463there was a Brady's tavern that was very
2464
2465617
246600:26:52,980 --> 00:26:56,519
2467popular in the in the 1800s and you know
2468
2469618
247000:26:56,519 --> 00:26:58,590
2471one of the big social centers of Bayonne
2472
2473619
247400:26:58,590 --> 00:27:00,149
2475they got very active in democratic
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2477620
247800:27:00,149 --> 00:27:02,429
2479politics some of them were elected that
2480
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2483and they there's a couple generations
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2485622
248600:27:04,529 --> 00:27:07,460
2487back they started a construction company
2488
2489623
249000:27:07,460 --> 00:27:09,480
2491construction materials that was very
2492
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249400:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,730
2495successful even had so much stuff
2496
2497625
249800:27:11,730 --> 00:27:14,990
2499delivered that they built a dock for
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2503shipments of gravel and cement and other
2504
2505627
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2507things needed for construction it became
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2511known as Brady's dock unfortunately
2512
2513629
251400:27:23,879 --> 00:27:25,440
2515there was this thing called the Great
2516
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2519Depression and they managed to lose all
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252200:27:28,590 --> 00:27:31,860
2523of their money then and the company went
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2525632
252600:27:31,860 --> 00:27:34,559
2527bust and was acquired and the dock was
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2531lost and everything was lost here so by
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253400:27:37,529 --> 00:27:41,909
2535the time I came along none of the money
2536
2537635
253800:27:41,909 --> 00:27:44,700
2539was left the house that my mother had
2540
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2543been born in which was on between third
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2547and fourth Street on Lourdes Avenue in
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2551Bayonne had been sold and other people
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2555lived there now and we wound up moving
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255800:27:56,879 --> 00:27:59,820
2559into the apartment a federal housing
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256200:27:59,820 --> 00:28:01,649
2563low-income project on First Street
2564
2565642
256600:28:01,649 --> 00:28:04,559
2567oddly enough right across from City Dock
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257000:28:04,559 --> 00:28:07,529
2571which was formerly Brady's dock and then
2572
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257400:28:07,529 --> 00:28:08,850
2575I would walk to school on Fifth Street
2576
2577645
257800:28:08,850 --> 00:28:11,820
2579and I would walk past the house that my
2580
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258200:28:11,820 --> 00:28:13,980
2583family had owned but no longer owned and
2584
2585647
258600:28:13,980 --> 00:28:16,769
2587it was like okay I'm poor but I came
2588
2589648
259000:28:16,769 --> 00:28:19,169
2591from this like nobility I was Daenerys
2592
2593649
259400:28:19,169 --> 00:28:20,750
2595Targaryen
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259800:28:20,750 --> 00:28:23,760
2599you know always hearing these stories of
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260200:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,610
2603oh yeah that dock across the street that
2604
2605652
260600:28:26,610 --> 00:28:28,950
2607used to be your grandfather's but now it
2608
2609653
261000:28:28,950 --> 00:28:31,290
2611belongs to the city oh that house yeah
2612
2613654
261400:28:31,290 --> 00:28:32,790
2615other people living there but that was
2616
2617655
261800:28:32,790 --> 00:28:35,910
2619where my mother was born and you know
2620
2621656
262200:28:35,910 --> 00:28:38,790
2623all of my uncles and aunts were born in
2624
2625657
262600:28:38,790 --> 00:28:40,500
2627that house and grew up in NASA yeah but
2628
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263000:28:40,500 --> 00:28:42,990
2631now we're that were nothing but we will
2632
2633659
263400:28:42,990 --> 00:28:46,710
2635be back that was always this stuff so I
2636
2637660
263800:28:46,710 --> 00:28:50,880
2639had this sense of being on one hand very
2640
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264200:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,370
2643poor and being a project kid which was
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264600:28:53,370 --> 00:28:56,040
2647sort of stigmatized and looked down upon
2648
2649663
265000:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,780
2651we would have the poor kids everybody
2652
2653664
265400:28:57,780 --> 00:29:01,100
2655surrounding lived in single family homes
2656
2657665
265800:29:01,100 --> 00:29:05,340
2659but also I came from you know lost
2660
2661666
266200:29:05,340 --> 00:29:08,180
2663realty and riches yeah with that an
2664
2665667
266600:29:08,180 --> 00:29:10,530
2667interesting juxtaposition yeah that
2668
2669668
267000:29:10,530 --> 00:29:12,620
2671juxtaposition I mean did that sort of
2672
2673669
267400:29:12,620 --> 00:29:14,820
2675define you feel like that defines sort
2676
2677670
267800:29:14,820 --> 00:29:16,490
2679of your work ethic and the way you
2680
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268200:29:16,490 --> 00:29:21,000
2683handle your work as a writer talk about
2684
2685672
268600:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,370
2687that a little bit I mean um I think it
2688
2689673
269000:29:26,370 --> 00:29:28,350
2691helped shape my personality I don't know
2692
2693674
269400:29:28,350 --> 00:29:31,950
2695if that influenced me as a writer you
2696
2697675
269800:29:31,950 --> 00:29:36,230
2699know I seen people who who were living a
2700
2701676
270200:29:36,230 --> 00:29:40,460
2703poor environment you know like a project
2704
2705677
270600:29:40,460 --> 00:29:43,140
2707a low-income project where you have to
2708
2709678
271000:29:43,140 --> 00:29:44,820
2711prove how poor you are even to get in
2712
2713679
271400:29:44,820 --> 00:29:46,980
2715there um and if you make too much money
2716
2717680
271800:29:46,980 --> 00:29:48,660
2719to kick you out which is ultimately what
2720
2721681
272200:29:48,660 --> 00:29:50,160
2723happened to my family my father got a
2724
2725682
272600:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,330
2727job as a longshoreman and as he got more
2728
2729683
273000:29:54,330 --> 00:29:55,860
2731and more seniority he worked more and
2732
2733684
273400:29:55,860 --> 00:29:58,350
2735more often and that's a union job it's
2736
2737685
273800:29:58,350 --> 00:30:00,030
2739pretty well paid and ultimately they
2740
2741686
274200:30:00,030 --> 00:30:01,470
2743said hey you guys are making too much
2744
2745687
274600:30:01,470 --> 00:30:06,090
2747money get out what I always kind of had
2748
2749688
275000:30:06,090 --> 00:30:07,710
2751the belief that we we should get out I
2752
2753689
275400:30:07,710 --> 00:30:10,590
2755think a lot of people who are in a poor
2756
2757690
275800:30:10,590 --> 00:30:14,820
2759environment there's a message that is
2760
2761691
276200:30:14,820 --> 00:30:17,640
2763put into him either consciously or
2764
2765692
276600:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,650
2767subconsciously somehow you absorb that
2768
2769693
277000:30:19,650 --> 00:30:21,660
2771by as Moses that you you belong there
2772
2773694
277400:30:21,660 --> 00:30:24,570
2775they're not as good as other people you
2776
2777695
277800:30:24,570 --> 00:30:26,070
2779know you're you're having to live in
2780
2781696
278200:30:26,070 --> 00:30:30,000
2783this you know low-income area with other
2784
2785697
278600:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,680
2787low-income people because you're not
2788
2789698
279000:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,050
2791worthy of any more than this but in my
2792
2793699
279400:30:36,050 --> 00:30:38,630
2795case I never had that feeling that that
2796
2797700
279800:30:38,630 --> 00:30:40,130
2799didn't get drummed in you because I
2800
2801701
280200:30:40,130 --> 00:30:41,630
2803always had this counter real anything
2804
2805702
280600:30:41,630 --> 00:30:45,770
2807Hey we're selling that duck my
2808
2809703
281000:30:45,770 --> 00:30:48,080
2811grandfather owned that dacha so you know
2812
2813704
281400:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,370
2815don't you know and I think that that
2816
2817705
281800:30:52,370 --> 00:30:54,400
2819helps you I mean one of the things that
2820
2821706
282200:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,770
2823kids coming from any environment need is
2824
2825707
282600:30:57,770 --> 00:31:00,140
2827is a sense of possibility a sense of
2828
2829708
283000:31:00,140 --> 00:31:02,930
2831hope even if you're living poor now you
2832
2833709
283400:31:02,930 --> 00:31:05,390
2835know that you could change that that a
2836
2837710
283800:31:05,390 --> 00:31:07,670
2839fortune that can bring you down canticle
2840
2841711
284200:31:07,670 --> 00:31:09,320
2843lifts you up you have to have that
2844
2845712
284600:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,910
2847belief in yourself a belief in the
2848
2849713
285000:31:10,910 --> 00:31:13,670
2851possibilities that sense of hope and you
2852
2853714
285400:31:13,670 --> 00:31:17,720
2855know I I did have that yeah I mean the
2856
2857715
285800:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,610
2859we've talked in over times you and I
2860
2861716
286200:31:19,610 --> 00:31:21,500
2863about the ups and downs of being a
2864
2865717
286600:31:21,500 --> 00:31:24,350
2867creator and you know that it's it's a
2868
2869718
287000:31:24,350 --> 00:31:25,310
2871lot of times about how you pick yourself
2872
2873719
287400:31:25,310 --> 00:31:28,820
2875up and you told me once we were at a you
2876
2877720
287800:31:28,820 --> 00:31:31,730
2879donated the five millionth book to the
2880
2881721
288200:31:31,730 --> 00:31:35,060
2883Texas A&M Cushing library a few years
2884
2885722
288600:31:35,060 --> 00:31:37,190
2887ago a couple years ago I guess it was a
2888
2889723
289000:31:37,190 --> 00:31:38,810
2891sign it was a first edition of The
2892
2893724
289400:31:38,810 --> 00:31:40,790
2895Hobbit and we were there for that
2896
2897725
289800:31:40,790 --> 00:31:42,920
2899ceremony and it was a it was an offhand
2900
2901726
290200:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,390
2903comment you made there where you said
2904
2905727
290600:31:44,390 --> 00:31:45,980
2907you know you had crashed and burned your
2908
2909728
291000:31:45,980 --> 00:31:49,820
2911career at least twice and I thought
2912
2913729
291400:31:49,820 --> 00:31:51,320
2915maybe I would be really cool to hear you
2916
2917730
291800:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,000
2919talk about I know one of them is the
2920
2921731
292200:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,520
2923Armageddon rag but I don't know what the
2924
2925732
292600:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,410
2927other one is and it was Hollywood my
2928
2929733
293000:31:57,410 --> 00:31:59,480
2931first go-round in Hollywood yeah you
2932
2933734
293400:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,030
2935know I teach it
2936
2937735
293800:32:02,030 --> 00:32:04,160
2939your Clarion Clarion West workshops
2940
2941736
294200:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,820
2943Odyssey house cool box I've done that I
2944
2945737
294600:32:07,820 --> 00:32:10,250
2947deal with young writers any you hear an
2948
2949738
295000:32:10,250 --> 00:32:13,010
2951aspiring writer raise your hands if you
2952
2953739
295400:32:13,010 --> 00:32:14,840
2955want to write really high fantastic
2956
2957740
295800:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,180
2959there you go now I say there's a number
2960
2961741
296200:32:17,180 --> 00:32:18,080
2963of you know there's a lot of you
2964
2965742
296600:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,860
2967actually so the thing that I tell the
2968
2969743
297000:32:21,860 --> 00:32:24,130
2971young writers of these workshops is that
2972
2973744
297400:32:24,130 --> 00:32:28,370
2975if you value security this is not a job
2976
2977745
297800:32:28,370 --> 00:32:32,590
2979for you accounting I hear is very good
2980
2981746
298200:32:32,590 --> 00:32:36,320
2983certainly this computer thing I think
2984
2985747
298600:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,060
2987those are here to stay these computer
2988
2989748
299000:32:38,060 --> 00:32:40,250
2991thing and if you learn how to be good
2992
2993749
299400:32:40,250 --> 00:32:42,380
2995with that that's probably a nice you
2996
2997750
299800:32:42,380 --> 00:32:44,570
2999know future there
3000
3001751
300200:32:44,570 --> 00:32:46,940
3003and that we're here in Silicon Valley so
3004
3005752
300600:32:46,940 --> 00:32:50,120
3007that might work out for you guys but
3008
3009753
301000:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,710
3011writing fiction telling stories it could
3012
3013754
301400:32:54,710 --> 00:32:57,200
3015be very fulfilling an exciting thing but
3016
3017755
301800:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,850
3019you're never gonna have any security
3020
3021756
302200:32:58,850 --> 00:33:00,770
3023it's not something where you can star it
3024
3025757
302600:33:00,770 --> 00:33:02,960
3027and work your way up and then you know
3028
3029758
303000:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,120
3031get a raise and get another raise a few
3032
3033759
303400:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,130
3035years later and at the end of and that's
3036
3037760
303800:33:07,130 --> 00:33:08,900
3039your career they give you a gold watch
3040
3041761
304200:33:08,900 --> 00:33:11,570
3043and a nice pension package no that's not
3044
3045762
304600:33:11,570 --> 00:33:13,790
3047an occurrence feel you have to be a bit
3048
3049763
305000:33:13,790 --> 00:33:15,320
3051of a gambler
3052
3053764
305400:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,350
3055to enter any creative profession whether
3056
3057765
305800:33:18,350 --> 00:33:20,750
3059it's acting and I know a lot of aspiring
3060
3061766
306200:33:20,750 --> 00:33:23,810
3063actors whether it's art whether it's
3064
3065767
306600:33:23,810 --> 00:33:28,510
3067writing stories or screenplays because
3068
3069768
307000:33:28,510 --> 00:33:32,240
3071the market is volatile it goes up and
3072
3073769
307400:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,570
3075down you can be very hot you can be very
3076
3077770
307800:33:35,570 --> 00:33:38,180
3079cold and it can go from one to another
3080
3081771
308200:33:38,180 --> 00:33:41,090
3083like that I mean I I've broken in the
3084
3085772
308600:33:41,090 --> 00:33:44,180
308770s I was a hot young writer for like a
3088
3089773
309000:33:44,180 --> 00:33:49,250
3091decade and I was winning awards being
3092
3093774
309400:33:49,250 --> 00:33:53,630
3095nominated for awards publishers for for
3096
3097775
309800:33:53,630 --> 00:33:55,670
3099publishers bid on my first novel and an
3100
3101776
310200:33:55,670 --> 00:33:57,920
3103auction it was all very exciting and
3104
3105777
310600:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,690
3107then I got more money even for my second
3108
3109778
311000:33:59,690 --> 00:34:01,370
3111novel and I got more money for my third
3112
3113779
311400:34:01,370 --> 00:34:03,770
3115novel and sooner or later was just a
3116
3117780
311800:34:03,770 --> 00:34:04,910
3119matter of time till I hit that
3120
3121781
312200:34:04,910 --> 00:34:07,880
3123bestseller list and boy I thought this
3124
3125782
312600:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,530
3127was like the easy profession in the
3128
3129783
313000:34:09,530 --> 00:34:11,000
3131world and in my fourth novel the
3132
3133784
313400:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,440
3135Armageddon read came out and nobody
3136
3137785
313800:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,440
3139bought it and suddenly I couldn't get
3140
3141786
314200:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,200
3143people to return my phone calls and I
3144
3145787
314600:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,740
3147couldn't sell my fifth novel and I was
3148
3149788
315000:34:21,740 --> 00:34:24,650
3151taking a course and had a Maya sell real
3152
3153789
315400:34:24,650 --> 00:34:26,690
3155estate with no money down
3156
3157790
315800:34:26,690 --> 00:34:28,700
3159you know I set the way for these tapes
3160
3161791
316200:34:28,700 --> 00:34:30,619
3163from late-night TV cuz I didn't know how
3164
3165792
316600:34:30,619 --> 00:34:32,450
3167to hell I was gonna pay my mortgage why
3168
3169793
317000:34:32,450 --> 00:34:33,530
3171do you think it why do you think it
3172
3173794
317400:34:33,530 --> 00:34:35,990
3175tanked looking back now what do you
3176
3177795
317800:34:35,990 --> 00:34:39,849
3179think well now that you didn't see that
3180
3181796
318200:34:39,849 --> 00:34:42,379
3183the Armageddon rig was an unusual model
3184
3185797
318600:34:42,379 --> 00:34:45,589
3187it was a rock and roll fantasy horror
3188
3189798
319000:34:45,589 --> 00:34:48,109
3191novel about the children of the sixties
3192
3193799
319400:34:48,109 --> 00:34:51,829
3195in the 80s and it was you know my sold
3196
3197800
319800:34:51,829 --> 00:34:53,720
3199for a lot of money my my publisher at
3200
3201801
320200:34:53,720 --> 00:34:55,250
3203that time thought it would be but the
3204
3205802
320600:34:55,250 --> 00:34:57,880
3207big breakout bestseller book for me but
3208
3209803
321000:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,210
3211no I mean oddly enough at the time I
3212
3213804
321400:35:02,210 --> 00:35:03,770
3215sold that people say well rock and roll
3216
3217805
321800:35:03,770 --> 00:35:07,310
3219novels don't sell but this one my editor
3220
3221806
322200:35:07,310 --> 00:35:08,720
3223was so convinced well this one will be
3224
3225807
322600:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,520
3227the exception we'll prove the falsity
3228
3229808
323000:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,440
3231that rule well no they just proved the
3232
3233809
323400:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,510
3235truth of that rule I mean a lot of
3236
3237810
323800:35:14,510 --> 00:35:16,069
3239people love rock and roll but if you
3240
3241811
324200:35:16,069 --> 00:35:17,329
3243love rock and roll you don't want to
3244
3245812
324600:35:17,329 --> 00:35:20,329
3247read about fake made-up bands like my
3248
3249813
325000:35:20,329 --> 00:35:22,369
3251band in the book you want to read about
3252
3253814
325400:35:22,369 --> 00:35:24,440
3255the Rolling Stones or the Beatles or or
3256
3257815
325800:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,480
3259the Eagles or whoever your favorite band
3260
3261816
326200:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,069
3263is so I think that was part of it it was
3264
3265817
326600:35:31,069 --> 00:35:33,230
3267I was doing a lot of course genre work
3268
3269818
327000:35:33,230 --> 00:35:35,540
3271and you know when you're not writing if
3272
3273819
327400:35:35,540 --> 00:35:37,130
3275you're writing a space opera it's a
3276
3277820
327800:35:37,130 --> 00:35:39,020
3279space opera and epic fantasy and every
3280
3281821
328200:35:39,020 --> 00:35:40,400
3283fantasy born you're mixing things
3284
3285822
328600:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,230
3287together they're saying well this is
3288
3289823
329000:35:42,230 --> 00:35:43,819
3291partly a mystery novel but it's not
3292
3293824
329400:35:43,819 --> 00:35:46,250
3295really a mystery novels also got fantasy
3296
3297825
329800:35:46,250 --> 00:35:48,109
3299elements in it it's really a novel about
3300
3301826
330200:35:48,109 --> 00:35:50,660
3303the 60s you know then you're taking a
3304
3305827
330600:35:50,660 --> 00:35:54,230
3307risk here but the point is my career as
3308
3309828
331000:35:54,230 --> 00:35:56,060
3311a novelist was effectively over and
3312
3313829
331400:35:56,060 --> 00:35:57,859
3315thankfully I got involved in the
3316
3317830
331800:35:57,859 --> 00:36:00,619
3319television at the same time and then
3320
3321831
332200:36:00,619 --> 00:36:02,480
3323over the next ten years I repeated the
3324
3325832
332600:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,490
3327same career path of being you know
3328
3329833
333000:36:04,490 --> 00:36:06,650
3331starting out at the bottom as a as a
3332
3333834
333400:36:06,650 --> 00:36:09,560
3335staff writer and Twilight Zone writing a
3336
3337835
333800:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,750
3339couple scripts for them getting promoted
3340
3341836
334200:36:11,750 --> 00:36:13,630
3343the story editor getting promoted to
3344
3345837
334600:36:13,630 --> 00:36:16,130
3347co-producer going to Max Headroom going
3348
3349838
335000:36:16,130 --> 00:36:17,089
3351to Beauty and the Beast
3352
3353839
335400:36:17,089 --> 00:36:19,250
3355climbing the things and finally you know
3356
3357840
335800:36:19,250 --> 00:36:20,569
3359up to the thing where I could be a
3360
3361841
336200:36:20,569 --> 00:36:21,170
3363showrunner
3364
3365842
336600:36:21,170 --> 00:36:23,030
3367I was getting what they call overall
3368
3369843
337000:36:23,030 --> 00:36:24,829
3371deals would they just pay you a salary
3372
3373844
337400:36:24,829 --> 00:36:27,680
3375to come up with new concepts for them
3376
3377845
337800:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,720
3379come up with pilots and all that stuff
3380
3381846
338200:36:29,720 --> 00:36:33,530
3383and I came up with a bunch of pilots I
3384
3385847
338600:36:33,530 --> 00:36:35,000
3387wrote a bunch of pilots I wrote a bunch
3388
3389848
339000:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,730
3391of feature films none of them got made I
3392
3393849
339400:36:37,730 --> 00:36:39,250
3395mean people loved them but
3396
3397850
339800:36:39,250 --> 00:36:40,990
3399for one reason or another and everyone
3400
3401851
340200:36:40,990 --> 00:36:42,520
3403is the thing that of them got made and
3404
3405852
340600:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,640
3407at one point they looked around and said
3408
3409853
341000:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,770
3411whoo we've been paying this guy a lot of
3412
3413854
341400:36:47,770 --> 00:36:49,390
3415money to come up with ideas but nobody
3416
3417855
341800:36:49,390 --> 00:36:52,240
3419is buying his shows so let's not renew
3420
3421856
342200:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,069
3423his deal and suddenly it was the same
3424
3425857
342600:36:54,069 --> 00:36:57,010
3427thing I was back you know now my eye had
3428
3429858
343000:36:57,010 --> 00:36:59,560
3431burned out television the same way at
3432
3433859
343400:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,579
3435earlier burned-out publishing and I
3436
3437860
343800:37:03,579 --> 00:37:05,589
3439couldn't get my agent my Hollywood agent
3440
3441861
344200:37:05,589 --> 00:37:07,270
3443to return my call thankfully my book
3444
3445862
344600:37:07,270 --> 00:37:09,130
3447agents have always been very great and
3448
3449863
345000:37:09,130 --> 00:37:13,329
3451loyal but Hollywood is a fickler kind of
3452
3453864
345400:37:13,329 --> 00:37:18,220
3455thing so at that point I I had learned
3456
3457865
345800:37:18,220 --> 00:37:19,720
3459one thing from the Armageddon rig
3460
3461866
346200:37:19,720 --> 00:37:21,400
3463experience from the first time I made my
3464
3465867
346600:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,119
3467career crashed and burned so I give this
3468
3469868
347000:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,710
3471advice to all the young writers out
3472
3473869
347400:37:26,710 --> 00:37:28,290
3475there if you're ever gonna follow it
3476
3477870
347800:37:28,290 --> 00:37:33,760
3479don't take on debt no Bailey don't take
3480
3481871
348200:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,240
3483on delay I mean when when when are we
3484
3485872
348600:37:37,240 --> 00:37:38,619
3487getting read failed I was faced with
3488
3489873
349000:37:38,619 --> 00:37:41,560
3491losing my house because I had a you know
3492
3493874
349400:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,260
3495I bought a house that was nicer than you
3496
3497875
349800:37:44,260 --> 00:37:45,910
3499know predicated on the thing that I
3500
3501876
350200:37:45,910 --> 00:37:47,619
3503would be able to maintain my career at a
3504
3505877
350600:37:47,619 --> 00:37:49,480
3507certain level and now my career was not
3508
3509878
351000:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,859
3511at that level in fact it was that no
3512
3513879
351400:37:50,859 --> 00:37:53,290
3515level I couldn't get arrested
3516
3517880
351800:37:53,290 --> 00:37:55,839
3519so how was I gonna make my mortgage
3520
3521881
352200:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,839
3523payments and you know I bought a nice
3524
3525882
352600:37:58,839 --> 00:38:01,000
3527car how was I gonna make my car payments
3528
3529883
353000:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,920
3531you know suddenly I had no income and I
3532
3533884
353400:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,780
3535had big debts and I was living on my
3536
3537885
353800:38:04,780 --> 00:38:06,400
3539credit card and then of course say that
3540
3541886
354200:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,369
3543oh very bad don't do that don't ever do
3544
3545887
354600:38:09,369 --> 00:38:11,890
3547that in the ten years in Hollywood I
3548
3549888
355000:38:11,890 --> 00:38:14,050
3551came to my senses I paid off my mortgage
3552
3553889
355400:38:14,050 --> 00:38:17,260
3555I paid off my car I liquid paid off all
3556
3557890
355800:38:17,260 --> 00:38:19,540
3559of my credit card debts and so then the
3560
3561891
356200:38:19,540 --> 00:38:21,130
3563second time my career crashed and burned
3564
3565892
356600:38:21,130 --> 00:38:23,800
3567well I didn't have a whole lot of money
3568
3569893
357000:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,240
3571coming in but I didn't have to worry
3572
3573894
357400:38:25,240 --> 00:38:26,920
3575about losing my house because my house
3576
3577895
357800:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,900
3579was free and clear my car was free and
3580
3581896
358200:38:28,900 --> 00:38:30,339
3583clear everything was very clear I've
3584
3585897
358600:38:30,339 --> 00:38:32,560
3587never gotten myself in any significant
3588
3589898
359000:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,460
3591amount of debt since and so you know not
3592
3593899
359400:38:36,460 --> 00:38:38,170
3595having a lot of money but then again not
3596
3597900
359800:38:38,170 --> 00:38:39,520
3599having a lot of obligation I sat down
3600
3601901
360200:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,050
3603and started writing this book cool Game
3604
3605902
360600:38:41,050 --> 00:38:43,480
3607of Thrones and that worked out pretty
3608
3609903
361000:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,960
3611well
3612
3613904
361400:38:44,960 --> 00:38:53,450
3615so but you know it is it is a crapshoot
3616
3617905
361800:38:53,450 --> 00:38:57,890
3619if you want to write it can be one of
3620
3621906
362200:38:57,890 --> 00:39:00,950
3623the most satisfying professions you ever
3624
3625907
362600:39:00,950 --> 00:39:02,900
3627have you're you're telling stories
3628
3629908
363000:39:02,900 --> 00:39:07,400
3631you're living in your own world you put
3632
3633909
363400:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,920
3635it out there and if you find it audience
3636
3637910
363800:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,310
3639and people love it that's so gratifying
3640
3641911
364200:39:12,310 --> 00:39:16,220
3643but you know you don't you don't have a
3644
3645912
364600:39:16,220 --> 00:39:19,520
3647boss you don't have you could sleep late
3648
3649913
365000:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,430
3651in the morning if you want to
3652
3653914
365400:39:21,430 --> 00:39:23,420
3655occasionally people will ask you for
3656
3657915
365800:39:23,420 --> 00:39:25,250
3659your autograph or something like that or
3660
3661916
366200:39:25,250 --> 00:39:26,869
3663you'll get to do something cool like
3664
3665917
366600:39:26,869 --> 00:39:30,650
3667this it's there are a lot of rewards to
3668
3669918
367000:39:30,650 --> 00:39:33,080
3671doing that but the work itself is the
3672
3673919
367400:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,670
3675greatest reward I love telling my
3676
3677920
367800:39:34,670 --> 00:39:37,430
3679stories creating my characters creating
3680
3681921
368200:39:37,430 --> 00:39:39,950
3683my worlds I couldn't think of anything
3684
3685922
368600:39:39,950 --> 00:39:42,349
3687I'd rather do and in the world than in
3688
3689923
369000:39:42,349 --> 00:39:44,599
3691that profession and the fact that it is
3692
3693924
369400:39:44,599 --> 00:39:47,780
3695occasionally lucrative and enables me to
3696
3697925
369800:39:47,780 --> 00:39:51,140
3699you know to buy houses and cars and pay
3700
3701926
370200:39:51,140 --> 00:39:52,490
3703my mortgage so I don't have to be a
3704
3705927
370600:39:52,490 --> 00:39:55,030
3707homeless person pushing a shopping cart
3708
3709928
371000:39:55,030 --> 00:40:00,859
3711it's good but I I sometimes think I'd I
3712
3713929
371400:40:00,859 --> 00:40:02,270
3715would do it even if I was a homeless
3716
3717930
371800:40:02,270 --> 00:40:04,580
3719person pushing a shopping cart I'd be
3720
3721931
372200:40:04,580 --> 00:40:06,380
3723stopping you in the street with my
3724
3725932
372600:40:06,380 --> 00:40:07,760
3727shopping cart saying would you like to
3728
3729933
373000:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,630
3731read my new story I'll read it to you
3732
3733934
373400:40:13,630 --> 00:40:17,270
3735you know there are a lot of books out
3736
3737935
373800:40:17,270 --> 00:40:20,869
3739there about writer's block and how you
3740
3741936
374200:40:20,869 --> 00:40:23,210
3743deal with that and how you deal with if
3744
3745937
374600:40:23,210 --> 00:40:24,650
3747you're if you're visual artists how you
3748
3749938
375000:40:24,650 --> 00:40:29,119
3751deal with the blank canvas and something
3752
3753939
375400:40:29,119 --> 00:40:32,089
3755I've thought about as when I go back to
3756
3757940
375800:40:32,089 --> 00:40:34,520
3759that meeting we first had and then me
3760
3761941
376200:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,839
3763signed the contract for that calendar
3764
3765942
376600:40:35,839 --> 00:40:38,270
3767and him signed the deal with HBO when we
3768
3769943
377000:40:38,270 --> 00:40:39,740
3771had that talk on the phone I remember
3772
3773944
377400:40:39,740 --> 00:40:41,990
3775asking him I think you even told me you
3776
3777945
377800:40:41,990 --> 00:40:43,339
3779didn't tell me the exact amount of money
3780
3781946
378200:40:43,339 --> 00:40:45,410
3783I don't think we went that far but she
3784
3785947
378600:40:45,410 --> 00:40:47,270
3787said it was a lot and I said for that
3788
3789948
379000:40:47,270 --> 00:40:50,480
3791amount of money I know this won't happen
3792
3793949
379400:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,420
3795just by just speculating could they
3796
3797950
379800:40:53,420 --> 00:40:56,720
3799actually write the story ahead of you if
3800
3801951
380200:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,310
3803they if could they can if they caught up
3804
3805952
380600:40:58,310 --> 00:40:58,760
3807to you
3808
3809953
381000:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,820
3811could they you know concede we tell the
3812
3813954
381400:41:01,820 --> 00:41:02,540
3815story without you
3816
3817955
381800:41:02,540 --> 00:41:04,430
3819and you kind of stop you kind of pause
3820
3821956
382200:41:04,430 --> 00:41:07,130
3823for a second said yeah they could they
3824
3825957
382600:41:07,130 --> 00:41:08,840
3827could do that and I said but that won't
3828
3829958
383000:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,300
3831happen and I won't happen I don't think
3832
3833959
383400:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,220
3835so either but he said he could but he
3836
3837960
383800:41:13,220 --> 00:41:15,140
3839said but I remember you saying if it did
3840
3841961
384200:41:15,140 --> 00:41:17,480
3843you know they could conceivably do that
3844
3845962
384600:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,610
3847and I was back then you you knew that
3848
3849963
385000:41:19,610 --> 00:41:21,830
3851that could happen but I don't think you
3852
3853964
385400:41:21,830 --> 00:41:25,520
3855saw that at that point but now it has
3856
3857965
385800:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,740
3859happened and so now that it's happened
3860
3861966
386200:41:27,740 --> 00:41:29,060
3863sometimes when I'm watching the show of
3864
3865967
386600:41:29,060 --> 00:41:30,650
3867my wife's there on the couch with me and
3868
3869968
387000:41:30,650 --> 00:41:32,600
3871we're engrossed in and it's Donna
3872
3873969
387400:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,720
3875I sometimes wonder its kind of feel
3876
3877970
387800:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,510
3879really lonely being you and and and I
3880
3881971
388200:41:38,510 --> 00:41:40,160
3883don't mean this in a cruel way but I I
3884
3885972
388600:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,960
3887think you know this guy's my friend and
3888
3889973
389000:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,200
3891I think you know nobody nobody's been in
3892
3893974
389400:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,550
3895the position he's been in and where
3896
3897975
389800:41:46,550 --> 00:41:48,410
3899you've got this epic story that you've
3900
3901976
390200:41:48,410 --> 00:41:49,880
3903created that you've been working for
3904
3905977
390600:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,070
3907working on for years and years and years
3908
3909978
391000:41:52,070 --> 00:41:53,780
3911and now here it is
3912
3913979
391400:41:53,780 --> 00:41:55,160
3915you know how it's supposed to be told
3916
3917980
391800:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,650
3919and someone else is telling it and not
3920
3921981
392200:41:57,650 --> 00:41:59,060
3923only are they telling it but they're
3924
3925982
392600:41:59,060 --> 00:42:00,740
3927telling it so the whole world sees it
3928
3929983
393000:42:00,740 --> 00:42:02,840
3931and I'm just wondering how does that
3932
3933984
393400:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,430
3935affect your headspace and how do you
3936
3937985
393800:42:04,430 --> 00:42:07,490
3939cope with that I mean I've always you
3940
3941986
394200:42:07,490 --> 00:42:08,690
3943know it's like I can't just call you up
3944
3945987
394600:42:08,690 --> 00:42:11,300
3947and say hey how you doing is that relate
3948
3949988
395000:42:11,300 --> 00:42:13,220
3951to your situation and who can you know
3952
3953989
395400:42:13,220 --> 00:42:17,420
3955how do you do a deal with that well like
3956
3957990
395800:42:17,420 --> 00:42:19,070
3959you say it's a unique situation I don't
3960
3961991
396200:42:19,070 --> 00:42:20,180
3963think anyone has written in this
3964
3965992
396600:42:20,180 --> 00:42:22,280
3967situation before there's normally and
3968
3969993
397000:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,080
3971when things are adapted to television or
3972
3973994
397400:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,770
3975film they're finished you know Lord of
3976
3977995
397800:42:27,770 --> 00:42:30,440
3979the Rings was done by the time ball for
3980
3981996
398200:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,540
398330 years before Peter Jackson made the
3984
3985997
398600:42:32,540 --> 00:42:39,370
3987movies you know you just have to have
3988
3989998
399000:42:39,370 --> 00:42:41,960
3991and I didn't expect it to happen I've
3992
3993999
399400:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,360
3995said that many other interviews before
3996
39971000
399800:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,850
3999you know I had a huge head started him I
4000
40011001
400200:42:46,850 --> 00:42:48,230
4003did think they would catch up but uh
4004
40051002
400600:42:48,230 --> 00:42:49,340
4007number one
4008
40091003
401000:42:49,340 --> 00:42:53,500
4011I've been slower than I anticipated and
4012
40131004
401400:42:53,500 --> 00:42:57,800
4015also you know HBO and and David Benioff
4016
40171005
401800:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,020
4019and Dan Weiss made made decisions along
4020
40211006
402200:43:00,020 --> 00:43:04,430
4023the way that made them catch up quicker
4024
40251007
402600:43:04,430 --> 00:43:06,770
4027they eliminated a lot of those subplots
4028
40291008
403000:43:06,770 --> 00:43:08,870
4031and secondary characters particularly
4032
40331009
403400:43:08,870 --> 00:43:10,530
4035from a feast for crows and
4036
40371010
403800:43:10,530 --> 00:43:12,660
4039for Dragons that had they included them
4040
40411011
404200:43:12,660 --> 00:43:14,190
4043would have had another two years in
4044
40451012
404600:43:14,190 --> 00:43:16,890
4047there during which I think I might have
4048
40491013
405000:43:16,890 --> 00:43:19,980
4051been able to finish another book but I
4052
40531014
405400:43:19,980 --> 00:43:21,900
4055think you have to look at this you know
4056
40571015
405800:43:21,900 --> 00:43:27,180
4059I I often ask when questions like this
4060
40611016
406200:43:27,180 --> 00:43:31,590
4063would put to me there the question how
4064
40651017
406600:43:31,590 --> 00:43:38,270
4067many children did Scarlett O'Hara have
4068
40691018
407000:43:38,270 --> 00:43:40,710
4071three children in the novel Margaret
4072
40731019
407400:43:40,710 --> 00:43:44,730
4075Mitchell's novel one child in the great
4076
40771020
407800:43:44,730 --> 00:43:49,950
4079movie no children actually because she
4080
40811021
408200:43:49,950 --> 00:43:52,400
4083didn't exist she's a fictional character
4084
40851022
408600:43:52,400 --> 00:43:58,140
4087so you know character doesn't exist you
4088
40891023
409000:43:58,140 --> 00:44:00,990
4091can say she had one child you can say
4092
40931024
409400:44:00,990 --> 00:44:02,940
4095she have three cards the same story but
4096
40971025
409800:44:02,940 --> 00:44:07,410
4099it's two different ways of telling the
4100
41011026
410200:44:07,410 --> 00:44:11,850
4103same story and I grew up I was a comic
4104
41051027
410600:44:11,850 --> 00:44:17,220
4107book fan growing up so I read Superman
4108
41091028
411000:44:17,220 --> 00:44:21,330
4111and Batman and you know Archie and all
4112
41131029
411400:44:21,330 --> 00:44:23,250
4115these comics when I was a kid but I also
4116
41171030
411800:44:23,250 --> 00:44:25,680
4119read classics Illustrated as that kid
4120
41211031
412200:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,510
4123back in Bayonne New Jersey in the in the
4124
41251032
412600:44:27,510 --> 00:44:30,150
4127projects his exposure to many of the
4128
41291033
413000:44:30,150 --> 00:44:34,200
4131great works of English literature was
4132
41331034
413400:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,580
4135through the pages of classics
4136
41371035
413800:44:35,580 --> 00:44:38,910
4139Illustrated comic books were two worlds
4140
41411036
414200:44:38,910 --> 00:44:41,580
4143of course voyage to the bottom of the
4144
41451037
414600:44:41,580 --> 00:44:44,850
4147sea The Time Machine all great science
4148
41491038
415000:44:44,850 --> 00:44:46,350
4151fiction things but I didn't stop there I
4152
41531039
415400:44:46,350 --> 00:44:49,170
4155also read A Tale of Two Cities and house
4156
41571040
415800:44:49,170 --> 00:44:51,900
4159of Seven Gables and Moby Dick you know
4160
41611041
416200:44:51,900 --> 00:44:54,060
4163so you look at a book like Moby Dick
4164
41651042
416600:44:54,060 --> 00:44:55,860
4167Moby Dick of course is one of the great
4168
41691043
417000:44:55,860 --> 00:44:57,990
4171novels it's in the Canon of English
4172
41731044
417400:44:57,990 --> 00:45:00,780
4175literature what is also a movie it's
4176
41771045
417800:45:00,780 --> 00:45:04,200
4179also a comic book and that was my first
4180
41811046
418200:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,180
4183exposure to Moby Dick the comic book
4184
41851047
418600:45:06,180 --> 00:45:08,850
4187which I liked well enough so that you
4188
41891048
419000:45:08,850 --> 00:45:10,890
4191know many many years later when I was no
4192
41931049
419400:45:10,890 --> 00:45:13,470
4195longer a kid in grammar school but I was
4196
41971050
419800:45:13,470 --> 00:45:15,480
4199a college student I read the novel Moby
4200
42011051
420200:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,510
4203Dick which is different from the comic
4204
42051052
420600:45:18,510 --> 00:45:20,640
4207book what asshole kind of
4208
42091053
421000:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,680
4211the same as the comic book is sort of
4212
42131054
421400:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,299
4215the same story and I've already kind of
4216
42171055
421800:45:27,299 --> 00:45:29,130
4219knew the story but I was experiencing
4220
42211056
422200:45:29,130 --> 00:45:31,589
4223the novel for the first time and I think
4224
42251057
422600:45:31,589 --> 00:45:33,150
4227that's the philosophy you have to have
4228
42291058
423000:45:33,150 --> 00:45:35,730
4231with what's happening with Game of
4232
42331059
423400:45:35,730 --> 00:45:37,829
4235Thrones I mean there there will be Game
4236
42371060
423800:45:37,829 --> 00:45:39,750
4239of Thrones the television show
4240
42411061
424200:45:39,750 --> 00:45:42,630
4243that will be out there eight seasons you
4244
42451062
424600:45:42,630 --> 00:45:44,430
4247know something like 80 hours of film
4248
42491063
425000:45:44,430 --> 00:45:47,010
4251with these incredible actors and writers
4252
42531064
425400:45:47,010 --> 00:45:50,190
4255and special effects people and stunt
4256
42571065
425800:45:50,190 --> 00:45:52,079
4259people we've won so many Emmys and so
4260
42611066
426200:45:52,079 --> 00:45:54,269
4263many things and there will be my set of
4264
42651067
426600:45:54,269 --> 00:45:57,089
4267books and there are graphic novels those
4268
42691068
427000:45:57,089 --> 00:45:58,950
4271comic book versions - and there's game
4272
42731069
427400:45:58,950 --> 00:46:01,140
4275versions and you can so it's a world
4276
42771070
427800:46:01,140 --> 00:46:03,779
4279it's a story that you can experience in
4280
42811071
428200:46:03,779 --> 00:46:05,940
4283many different ways and it's you know
4284
42851072
428600:46:05,940 --> 00:46:11,369
4287none of it really exists so if you like
4288
42891073
429000:46:11,369 --> 00:46:13,140
4291the version where Scarlett O'Hara has
4292
42931074
429400:46:13,140 --> 00:46:15,839
4295three children there is that version and
4296
42971075
429800:46:15,839 --> 00:46:17,549
4299if you like two version where Scarlett
4300
43011076
430200:46:17,549 --> 00:46:20,160
4303only had two one child there's that
4304
43051077
430600:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,200
4307version but as you're sitting here
4308
43091078
431000:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,059
4311shaping your version and continue to
4312
43131079
431400:46:24,059 --> 00:46:27,630
4315work out winds of winter heading into
4316
43171080
431800:46:27,630 --> 00:46:30,960
4319that next book dream of spring do you
4320
43211081
432200:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,519
4323sort of see the show as maybe almost
4324
43251082
432600:46:32,519 --> 00:46:34,349
4327being someone else working on a draft
4328
43291083
433000:46:34,349 --> 00:46:37,529
4331that you get to watch the ebbs and flows
4332
43331084
433400:46:37,529 --> 00:46:39,480
4335of what they do and maybe learn from
4336
43371085
433800:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,160
4339what they're doing no not really
4340
43411086
434200:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,640
4343back into your version you know almost
4344
43451087
434600:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,269
4347like watching like I've worked on this
4348
43491088
435000:46:48,269 --> 00:46:50,730
4351shot I've been a you know co-executive
4352
43531089
435400:46:50,730 --> 00:46:51,990
4355producer on the show since the beginning
4356
43571090
435800:46:51,990 --> 00:46:53,940
4359so David and Dan and I have had many
4360
43611091
436200:46:53,940 --> 00:46:55,799
4363discussions and you know many of the
4364
43651092
436600:46:55,799 --> 00:46:57,299
4367things that they're doing or they have
4368
43691093
437000:46:57,299 --> 00:46:59,339
4371done the last two years since they got
4372
43731094
437400:46:59,339 --> 00:47:00,900
4375ahead of me or things that I told them
4376
43771095
437800:47:00,900 --> 00:47:03,029
4379to do or told them that I was planning
4380
43811096
438200:47:03,029 --> 00:47:05,430
4383to do so they're just getting to it
4384
43851097
438600:47:05,430 --> 00:47:08,309
4387first of course in other aspects they've
4388
43891098
439000:47:08,309 --> 00:47:10,380
4391they've urged off they're doing things
4392
43931099
439400:47:10,380 --> 00:47:12,299
4395that I would never write one thing
4396
43971100
439800:47:12,299 --> 00:47:14,009
4399they're killing a lot more people - in
4400
44011101
440200:47:14,009 --> 00:47:18,119
4403order to wind it up in in eight in eight
4404
44051102
440600:47:18,119 --> 00:47:22,019
4407seasons they're clearing way of whether
4408
44091103
441000:47:22,019 --> 00:47:26,099
4411to cast so they're there despite my
4412
44131104
441400:47:26,099 --> 00:47:27,839
4415reputation for being the bloodiest
4416
44171105
441800:47:27,839 --> 00:47:30,390
4419writer who ever drew breath there are
4420
44211106
442200:47:30,390 --> 00:47:31,910
4423actually a lot
4424
44251107
442600:47:31,910 --> 00:47:33,859
4427out of characters who are alive in the
4428
44291108
443000:47:33,859 --> 00:47:37,490
4431books but dead in the show and some of
4432
44331109
443400:47:37,490 --> 00:47:39,980
4435them will die in the books but maybe not
4436
44371110
443800:47:39,980 --> 00:47:41,660
4439in the same way that they've died in the
4440
44411111
444200:47:41,660 --> 00:47:43,960
4443show and others who are died in show
4444
44451112
444600:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,530
4447will never die in the books so if you
4448
44491113
445000:47:48,530 --> 00:47:50,030
4451guys want to see how many children
4452
44531114
445400:47:50,030 --> 00:47:51,680
4455Scarlett has you'll just have to keep
4456
44571115
445800:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,240
4459reading
4460
44611116
446200:47:53,240 --> 00:48:00,130
4463[Applause]
4464
44651117
446600:48:00,130 --> 00:48:03,230
4467stop prequels so now we have these
4468
44691118
447000:48:03,230 --> 00:48:05,630
4471prequels and we have I think five
4472
44731119
447400:48:05,630 --> 00:48:08,119
4475different potential projects but Jane
4476
44771120
447800:48:08,119 --> 00:48:10,970
4479Goldman's we're scripting and
4480
44811121
448200:48:10,970 --> 00:48:11,599
4483showrunning
4484
44851122
448600:48:11,599 --> 00:48:14,690
4487the one that seems to be most furthest
4488
44891123
449000:48:14,690 --> 00:48:17,450
4491along and development yeah the well
4492
44931124
449400:48:17,450 --> 00:48:19,970
4495that's that we don't really have an
4496
44971125
449800:48:19,970 --> 00:48:21,529
4499official title yet I'm calling it the
4500
45011126
450200:48:21,529 --> 00:48:23,509
4503long night because it's about the wall
4504
45051127
450600:48:23,509 --> 00:48:29,000
4507night you know the Jane Goldman's
4508
45091128
451000:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,000
4511concept is that all of these shows are
4512
45131129
451400:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,130
4515prequels all five that HBO has been
4516
45171130
451800:48:34,130 --> 00:48:36,289
4519developing a prequels so none of them
4520
45211131
452200:48:36,289 --> 00:48:38,329
4523are gonna follow game of Thrones you're
4524
45251132
452600:48:38,329 --> 00:48:39,980
4527not gonna be seeing the further
4528
45291133
453000:48:39,980 --> 00:48:42,950
4531adventures of Tyrion or Jon Snow or ru
4532
45331134
453400:48:42,950 --> 00:48:49,490
4535or whoever I heard that and the so these
4536
45371135
453800:48:49,490 --> 00:48:51,380
4539were all set at various points in the
4540
45411136
454200:48:51,380 --> 00:48:54,019
4543past and Jane has gone back further in
4544
45451137
454600:48:54,019 --> 00:48:55,519
4547the past than anyone else and it's the
4548
45491138
455000:48:55,519 --> 00:48:57,710
4551first show to be greenlit so Jane has
4552
45531139
455400:48:57,710 --> 00:48:59,210
4555assembled the writers room that's
4556
45571140
455800:48:59,210 --> 00:49:01,220
4559meeting in London even as we speak and
4560
45611141
456200:49:01,220 --> 00:49:04,759
4563it's a I'm not at liberty to tell you
4564
45651142
456600:49:04,759 --> 00:49:06,529
4567who's in that writing room besides Jane
4568
45691143
457000:49:06,529 --> 00:49:09,170
4571herself but Jane Goldman herself is an
4572
45731144
457400:49:09,170 --> 00:49:11,299
4575amazing talent and I'm very honored to
4576
45771145
457800:49:11,299 --> 00:49:13,640
4579be working with her she's done she did
4580
45811146
458200:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,670
4583the script for 2d x-men movies she did
4584
45851147
458600:49:16,670 --> 00:49:20,450
4587both of the Kingsmen scripts if you've
4588
45891148
459000:49:20,450 --> 00:49:24,799
4591if you've seen those she's really really
4592
45931149
459400:49:24,799 --> 00:49:26,960
4595talented and creative British of course
4596
45971150
459800:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,509
4599she's bringing a whole new sensibility
4600
46011151
460200:49:29,509 --> 00:49:32,119
4603there to it and will probably be filming
4604
46051152
460600:49:32,119 --> 00:49:34,220
4607it in the UK right now we just have a
4608
46091153
461000:49:34,220 --> 00:49:36,339
4611pilot order it's not a series order but
4612
46131154
461400:49:36,339 --> 00:49:38,599
4615they're breaking a whole series and
4616
46171155
461800:49:38,599 --> 00:49:41,690
4619hopefully we will shoot the pilot nature
4620
46211156
462200:49:41,690 --> 00:49:43,670
4623will like it and they will greenlight it
4624
46251157
462600:49:43,670 --> 00:49:45,349
4627but meanwhile they're also developing
4628
46291158
463000:49:45,349 --> 00:49:48,769
4631for other series with different writers
4632
46331159
463400:49:48,769 --> 00:49:51,470
4635set during different periods some of
4636
46371160
463800:49:51,470 --> 00:49:55,430
4639them based on material from fire and
4640
46411161
464200:49:55,430 --> 00:49:58,490
4643blood very substantial chunks of
4644
46451162
464600:49:58,490 --> 00:50:00,559
4647material where they have like 500 pages
4648
46491163
465000:50:00,559 --> 00:50:04,009
4651of my history to work with others based
4652
46531164
465400:50:04,009 --> 00:50:05,329
4655upon
4656
46571165
465800:50:05,329 --> 00:50:08,089
4659sentence that I was in world of ice and
4660
46611166
466200:50:08,089 --> 00:50:10,009
4663fire somewhere so in that case the
4664
46651167
466600:50:10,009 --> 00:50:14,829
4667writers is bringing a lot more to it and
4668
46691168
467000:50:14,829 --> 00:50:16,910
4671how many of these will actually go to
4672
46731169
467400:50:16,910 --> 00:50:19,519
4675Pilate how many will go to Ceres nobody
4676
46771170
467800:50:19,519 --> 00:50:21,859
4679knows least of all me it's still in the
4680
46811171
468200:50:21,859 --> 00:50:24,709
4683works right now but I expect that there
4684
46851172
468600:50:24,709 --> 00:50:29,239
4687will be a game of Thrones Westeros type
4688
46891173
469000:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,219
4691project on the air for many years to
4692
46931174
469400:50:31,219 --> 00:50:37,519
4695come so if there's five different
4696
46971175
469800:50:37,519 --> 00:50:39,920
4699projects like that do you do you sort of
4700
47011176
470200:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,749
4703have like a wish list of like the
4704
47051177
470600:50:41,749 --> 00:50:44,059
4707different periods of the history you
4708
47091178
471000:50:44,059 --> 00:50:46,039
4711want to cover or do the writers come to
4712
47131179
471400:50:46,039 --> 00:50:48,799
4715you with these pitches it's a little bit
4716
47171180
471800:50:48,799 --> 00:50:51,109
4719of both it's a little bit of both and it
4720
47211181
472200:50:51,109 --> 00:50:52,789
4723may not even stop at five I mean I've
4724
47251182
472600:50:52,789 --> 00:50:55,130
4727created at least three show concepts
4728
47291183
473000:50:55,130 --> 00:50:56,989
4731myself that I've shown HBO none of which
4732
47331184
473400:50:56,989 --> 00:50:59,180
4735are currently in active development but
4736
47371185
473800:50:59,180 --> 00:51:02,709
4739maybe put in Tooele minute at some point
4740
47411186
474200:51:02,709 --> 00:51:09,049
4743so yeah yeah it's it's a who knows yeah
4744
47451187
474600:51:09,049 --> 00:51:11,749
4747fair enough so I'm gonna jump tracks
4748
47491188
475000:51:11,749 --> 00:51:13,640
4751here want to talk wild cards
4752
47531189
475400:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,019
4755how many wild cards fans do we have out
4756
47571190
475800:51:15,019 --> 00:51:20,569
4759there I mean you know it's a it's a it's
4760
47611191
476200:51:20,569 --> 00:51:22,009
4763a nice round there but that tells me
4764
47651192
476600:51:22,009 --> 00:51:23,059
4767there's a lot of people in here too
4768
47691193
477000:51:23,059 --> 00:51:24,739
4771probably don't know of that series I
4772
47731194
477400:51:24,739 --> 00:51:26,539
4775think it's one we ought to talk about a
4776
47771195
477800:51:26,539 --> 00:51:28,430
4779little bit of length here so wild cards
4780
47811196
478200:51:28,430 --> 00:51:30,140
4783is a superhero universe that you created
4784
47851197
478600:51:30,140 --> 00:51:31,699
4787back in the 80s and take us back there
4788
47891198
479000:51:31,699 --> 00:51:33,469
4791to when you were playing these
4792
47931199
479400:51:33,469 --> 00:51:35,900
4795role-playing games with the tell us who
4796
47971200
479800:51:35,900 --> 00:51:37,130
4799the some of the writers were in those
4800
48011201
480200:51:37,130 --> 00:51:38,299
4803rooms when you were playing these
4804
48051202
480600:51:38,299 --> 00:51:40,489
4807role-playing games I moved to I live in
4808
48091203
481000:51:40,489 --> 00:51:42,619
4811Santa Fe New Mexico and when I moved
4812
48131204
481400:51:42,619 --> 00:51:47,150
4815there in 1979 I met the local New Mexico
4816
48171205
481800:51:47,150 --> 00:51:50,119
4819mafia of science fiction of fantasy
4820
48211206
482200:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,910
4823writers some of whom were pretty well
4824
48251207
482600:51:52,910 --> 00:51:55,819
4827established like Roger Zelazny who dear
4828
48291208
483000:51:55,819 --> 00:51:58,069
4831friend and sort of a mentor to me and
4832
48331209
483400:51:58,069 --> 00:51:59,390
4835some of them who were just starting
4836
48371210
483800:51:59,390 --> 00:52:01,249
4839their career they were even younger and
4840
48411211
484200:52:01,249 --> 00:52:03,319
4843greener than myself and one of the
4844
48451212
484600:52:03,319 --> 00:52:04,489
4847things they were doing was having a
4848
48491213
485000:52:04,489 --> 00:52:05,870
4851role-playing game and I'd never
4852
48531214
485400:52:05,870 --> 00:52:08,180
4855any role-playing so I was invited to
4856
48571215
485800:52:08,180 --> 00:52:10,160
4859join them and I did and it was a
4860
48611216
486200:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,050
4863tremendous amount of fun and addictive
4864
48651217
486600:52:12,050 --> 00:52:16,130
4867probably cost me a novel or two but at a
4868
48691218
487000:52:16,130 --> 00:52:17,660
4871certain point knowing that I had been a
4872
48731219
487400:52:17,660 --> 00:52:20,030
4875comic fan growing up Victor Milan one of
4876
48771220
487800:52:20,030 --> 00:52:22,130
4879the brightest in the group gave me a
4880
48811221
488200:52:22,130 --> 00:52:24,440
4883game called super world the superhero
4884
48851222
488600:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,300
4887role-playing game and said you were
4888
48891223
489000:52:26,300 --> 00:52:27,830
4891you're a comic book fan why don't you
4892
48931224
489400:52:27,830 --> 00:52:34,520
4895run this for us so I did and it became
4896
48971225
489800:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,350
4899completely addictive for like two years
4900
49011226
490200:52:36,350 --> 00:52:39,140
4903we we played this game starting one
4904
49051227
490600:52:39,140 --> 00:52:41,210
4907night a week and then going to two and
4908
49091228
491000:52:41,210 --> 00:52:44,540
4911then three nights a week sometimes we
4912
49131229
491400:52:44,540 --> 00:52:45,950
4915were all right here so none of us had
4916
49171230
491800:52:45,950 --> 00:52:48,770
4919real jobs we would we would get together
4920
49211231
492200:52:48,770 --> 00:52:50,600
4923for dinner and then start playing at
4924
49251232
492600:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,790
49277:00 we would continue to play for like
4928
49291233
493000:52:52,790 --> 00:52:55,130
4931three in the morning and then after we
4932
49331234
493400:52:55,130 --> 00:52:56,870
4935finished a game for the night from 3 in
4936
49371235
493800:52:56,870 --> 00:52:58,670
4939the morning till dawn we would sort of
4940
49411236
494200:52:58,670 --> 00:53:01,280
4943rehash the game we just played and what
4944
49451237
494600:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,530
4947fun it had been and this had happened
4948
49491238
495000:53:03,530 --> 00:53:06,190
4951and that had happened
4952
49531239
495400:53:06,190 --> 00:53:08,450
4955after a couple years of this though I
4956
49571240
495800:53:08,450 --> 00:53:11,990
4959said you know we're spending a lot of
4960
49611241
496200:53:11,990 --> 00:53:13,400
4963creative energy and we had had some
4964
49651242
496600:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,170
4967great characters here and we're having a
4968
49691243
497000:53:15,170 --> 00:53:17,120
4971lot of fun but we got to figure out a
4972
49731244
497400:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,740
4975way to make some money off this or a
4976
49771245
497800:53:18,740 --> 00:53:24,140
4979world and it started so it was the 80s
4980
49811246
498200:53:24,140 --> 00:53:26,450
4983and shared worlds were very big so I
4984
49851247
498600:53:26,450 --> 00:53:28,130
4987said we could do a shared world on this
4988
49891248
499000:53:28,130 --> 00:53:29,660
4991and you know involve all these writers
4992
49931249
499400:53:29,660 --> 00:53:32,980
4995everybody creating their own character
4996
49971250
499800:53:32,980 --> 00:53:37,340
4999but you can't just you can't just take
5000
50011251
500200:53:37,340 --> 00:53:40,070
5003your role-playing game and write it up
5004
50051252
500600:53:40,070 --> 00:53:42,290
5007and hope it to be successful because the
5008
50091253
501000:53:42,290 --> 00:53:43,580
5011things that make a great role-playing
5012
50131254
501400:53:43,580 --> 00:53:45,170
5015game and the things that make for good
5016
50171255
501800:53:45,170 --> 00:53:47,630
5019fiction are quite different so the
5020
50211256
502200:53:47,630 --> 00:53:49,850
5023minute we decided to to try to make a
5024
50251257
502600:53:49,850 --> 00:53:52,310
5027fiction out of this we knew we had to
5028
50291258
503000:53:52,310 --> 00:53:53,330
5031reconsider
5032
50331259
503400:53:53,330 --> 00:53:55,340
5035and the first thing we had to do was
5036
50371260
503800:53:55,340 --> 00:53:59,390
5039come up with a common cause for these
5040
50411261
504200:53:59,390 --> 00:54:04,100
5043superpowers you know normal comic books
5044
50451262
504600:54:04,100 --> 00:54:07,760
5047every character has his own origin you
5048
50491263
505000:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,920
5051know one character is hit by a lightning
5052
50531264
505400:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,440
5055bolt another character finds a magic
5056
50571265
505800:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,630
5059ring third character is kidnapped by
5060
50611266
506200:54:14,630 --> 00:54:15,810
5063aliens and give
5064
50651267
506600:54:15,810 --> 00:54:17,580
5067an anal probe that gives him strange
5068
50691268
507000:54:17,580 --> 00:54:20,520
5071powers somebody else has written bitten
5072
50731269
507400:54:20,520 --> 00:54:26,520
5075by a radioactive wombat so okay but I
5076
50771270
507800:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,930
5079said that doesn't make any sense in a
5080
50811271
508200:54:27,930 --> 00:54:30,150
5083science fictional context so let's come
5084
50851272
508600:54:30,150 --> 00:54:32,070
5087up with one thing and Melinda Snodgrass
5088
50891273
509000:54:32,070 --> 00:54:36,210
5091said about a virus an alien virus that
5092
50931274
509400:54:36,210 --> 00:54:39,960
5095reshapes human DNA so we we went that
5096
50971275
509800:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,590
5099route and we carried over some
5100
51011276
510200:54:43,590 --> 00:54:45,360
5103characters from the game some of the
5104
51051277
510600:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,490
5107most popular characters but I also
5108
51091278
511000:54:47,490 --> 00:54:49,860
5111wanted to reach beyond the gamers who
5112
51131279
511400:54:49,860 --> 00:54:51,810
5115included Melinda Snodgrass Walter John
5116
51171280
511800:54:51,810 --> 00:54:54,210
5119Williams Victor Millan John Joseph
5120
51211281
512200:54:54,210 --> 00:54:58,440
5123Miller and of course Roger Zelazny was
5124
51251282
512600:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,060
5127not a gamer but we brought him into the
5128
51291283
513000:55:00,060 --> 00:55:02,220
5131pingas I knew there's an old comic book
5132
51331284
513400:55:02,220 --> 00:55:04,440
5135fan my friend Howard Walter up in Texas
5136
51371285
513800:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,550
5139some other Texas writers like bud Simon
5140
51411286
514200:55:07,550 --> 00:55:10,490
5143we got all the time involved Lew shiner
5144
51451287
514600:55:10,490 --> 00:55:14,880
5147he was very very rising star in the 80s
5148
51491288
515000:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,670
5151and we came up with these well Curt
5152
51531289
515400:55:17,670 --> 00:55:22,410
5155books and started this and the idea was
5156
51571290
515800:55:22,410 --> 00:55:24,120
5159you know we were science fiction fantasy
5160
51611291
516200:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,120
5163fans some of us were so comic fans but
5164
51651292
516600:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,610
5167we as much as we love comic books we
5168
51691293
517000:55:29,610 --> 00:55:33,030
5171also knew some of the problems from
5172
51731294
517400:55:33,030 --> 00:55:34,650
5175comic books from a science fictional
5176
51771295
517800:55:34,650 --> 00:55:36,690
5179point of view and the origins were only
5180
51811296
518200:55:36,690 --> 00:55:38,670
5183one and we said we want to do a darker
5184
51851297
518600:55:38,670 --> 00:55:41,460
5187grittier more realistic and science
5188
51891298
519000:55:41,460 --> 00:55:43,680
5191fictional take on the whole idea of
5192
51931299
519400:55:43,680 --> 00:55:49,680
5195superpowers across the ocean in England
5196
51971300
519800:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,050
5199there was a writer named Alan Moore who
5200
52011301
520200:55:52,050 --> 00:55:55,410
5203was having similar thoughts so he came
5204
52051302
520600:55:55,410 --> 00:55:58,350
5207up with Watchmen which was his effort to
5208
52091303
521000:55:58,350 --> 00:56:02,090
5211do a darker and a grittier take on
5212
52131304
521400:56:02,090 --> 00:56:04,800
5215superpowers and superheroes and what
5216
52171305
521800:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,210
5219when and wild cards came out around the
5220
52211306
522200:56:06,210 --> 00:56:07,770
5223same time in fact both of them were
5224
52251307
522600:56:07,770 --> 00:56:10,460
5227nominated for you go at the New Orleans
5228
52291308
523000:56:10,460 --> 00:56:14,760
5231Worldcon in 1988 and Watchmen Watchmen
5232
52331309
523400:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,570
5235one it's a brilliant work what's
5236
52371310
523800:56:18,570 --> 00:56:20,670
5239interesting to me is that Watchmen and
5240
52411311
524200:56:20,670 --> 00:56:22,560
5243wild cards starting from the same
5244
52451312
524600:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,820
5247premise went in completely opposite
5248
52491313
525000:56:26,820 --> 00:56:29,130
5251directions you know we took the idea of
5252
52531314
525400:56:29,130 --> 00:56:29,700
5255soup
5256
52571315
525800:56:29,700 --> 00:56:33,360
5259heroes that the comic books have been
5260
52611316
526200:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,550
5263developing for years and Allen more
5264
52651317
526600:56:37,550 --> 00:56:40,920
5267concentrated on the hero part of that he
5268
52691318
527000:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,290
5271largely throughout the whole concept of
5272
52731319
527400:56:43,290 --> 00:56:46,260
5275superpowers the only I don't know how
5276
52771320
527800:56:46,260 --> 00:56:47,870
5279many of you know Watchmen but the only
5280
52811321
528200:56:47,870 --> 00:56:50,880
5283superheat character in Watchmen is dr.
5284
52851322
528600:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,370
5287Manhattan he has superpowers nobody else
5288
52891323
529000:56:53,370 --> 00:56:55,290
5291has superpowers the rest of them are
5292
52931324
529400:56:55,290 --> 00:56:57,510
5295just guys who dress up in funny costumes
5296
52971325
529800:56:57,510 --> 00:57:00,810
5299and go out in the street and punch bad
5300
53011326
530200:57:00,810 --> 00:57:02,070
5303guys with their fists
5304
53051327
530600:57:02,070 --> 00:57:05,430
5307they're the Batman template rather than
5308
53091328
531000:57:05,430 --> 00:57:08,370
5311the Superman template and so because he
5312
53131329
531400:57:08,370 --> 00:57:10,620
5315was fascinated by the a vigilantism and
5316
53171330
531800:57:10,620 --> 00:57:12,780
5319heroism and you know who watches the
5320
53211331
532200:57:12,780 --> 00:57:16,800
5323Watchmen etc myself and my wildcard
5324
53251332
532600:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,290
5327writers we largely threw out the hero
5328
53291333
533000:57:19,290 --> 00:57:21,600
5331part and we kept the super part we were
5332
53331334
533400:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,270
5335fascinated by the idea of super powers
5336
53371335
533800:57:24,270 --> 00:57:30,390
5339and you know if something happened in
5340
53411336
534200:57:30,390 --> 00:57:33,470
5343our case an alien virus to the earth and
5344
53451337
534600:57:33,470 --> 00:57:38,070
5347some people got superpowers how would it
5348
53491338
535000:57:38,070 --> 00:57:39,660
5351change the world how would it change
5352
53531339
535400:57:39,660 --> 00:57:41,760
5355their lives what effect would it have
5356
53571340
535800:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,760
5359you know what effect I mean think of it
5360
53611341
536200:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,290
5363from yourself realistically because
5364
53651342
536600:57:46,290 --> 00:57:47,750
5367that's the way we wanted to imagine
5368
53691343
537000:57:47,750 --> 00:57:50,820
5371everybody in this room got a superpower
5372
53731344
537400:57:50,820 --> 00:57:53,070
5375whole differently all random you know
5376
53771345
537800:57:53,070 --> 00:57:54,630
5379you could you could become invincible
5380
53811346
538200:57:54,630 --> 00:57:56,220
5383and you could fly and you were the
5384
53851347
538600:57:56,220 --> 00:57:57,900
5387strongest man in the world and you could
5388
53891348
539000:57:57,900 --> 00:57:59,580
5391show lightning bolts from your fists
5392
53931349
539400:57:59,580 --> 00:58:02,070
5395there what would you do how would it
5396
53971350
539800:58:02,070 --> 00:58:03,630
5399change your life that's what we wanted
5400
54011351
540200:58:03,630 --> 00:58:06,240
5403how would it change society what would
5404
54051352
540600:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,590
5407you do that's the most thing and
5408
54091353
541000:58:07,590 --> 00:58:09,960
5411whenever I ask that question to a group
5412
54131354
541400:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,130
5415of people and I asked them to
5416
54171355
541800:58:11,130 --> 00:58:13,470
5419realistically consider it what would you
5420
54211356
542200:58:13,470 --> 00:58:17,790
5423do you know what nobody answers nobody
5424
54251357
542600:58:17,790 --> 00:58:21,150
5427ever says I would buy a spandex costume
5428
54291358
543000:58:21,150 --> 00:58:26,730
5431and fight yet that's what always happens
5432
54331359
543400:58:26,730 --> 00:58:29,520
5435in comic books you know suddenly you can
5436
54371360
543800:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,920
5439fly so you will buy a strand cat costume
5440
54411361
544200:58:31,920 --> 00:58:32,730
5443and fight crime
5444
54451362
544600:58:32,730 --> 00:58:37,380
5447oh you won't and the people in wild
5448
54491363
545000:58:37,380 --> 00:58:39,360
5451cards by and large don't a few of them
5452
54531364
545400:58:39,360 --> 00:58:40,770
5455have read too many comic books and they
5456
54571365
545800:58:40,770 --> 00:58:43,200
5459try to do that it usually ends badly but
5460
54611366
546200:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,440
5463most of them go in other directions so
5464
54651367
546600:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,960
5467so wild Carson Watchmen I have evolved
5468
54691368
547000:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,610
5471very differently it's interesting later
5472
54731369
547400:58:50,610 --> 00:58:52,830
5475like two sides of the same coin however
5476
54771370
547800:58:52,830 --> 00:58:54,690
5479wild Carson has been going for 30 years
5480
54811371
548200:58:54,690 --> 00:58:56,760
5483at this point more than 30 years first
5484
54851372
548600:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,890
5487of all came out in 1987 we just
5488
54891373
549000:58:58,890 --> 00:59:03,060
5491published a vibe 26 and we've had comic
5492
54931374
549400:59:03,060 --> 00:59:06,930
5495books we've had games it's it's been an
5496
54971375
549800:59:06,930 --> 00:59:09,540
5499amazing ride we've now got up to 40
5500
55011376
550200:59:09,540 --> 00:59:11,790
5503different writers have participated in
5504
55051377
550600:59:11,790 --> 00:59:18,720
5507wild cards over the years how does this
5508
55091378
551000:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,570
5511club work well we started out with the
5512
55131379
551400:59:21,570 --> 00:59:23,370
5515gamers and what a few people that I knew
5516
55171380
551800:59:23,370 --> 00:59:26,970
5519who were I knew love comic books and and
5520
55211381
552200:59:26,970 --> 00:59:30,980
5523of course we're good writers themselves
5524
55251382
552600:59:30,980 --> 00:59:34,740
5527over the years unfortunately a few of
5528
55291383
553000:59:34,740 --> 00:59:37,560
5531them have died some of them have retired
5532
55331384
553400:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,330
5535and stopped writing or at least they've
5536
55371385
553800:59:39,330 --> 00:59:41,190
5539stopped writing for wild cards to pursue
5540
55411386
554200:59:41,190 --> 00:59:44,190
5543other projects so I've brought in new
5544
55451387
554600:59:44,190 --> 00:59:47,220
5547blood and I bring in new blood new
5548
55491388
555000:59:47,220 --> 00:59:48,990
5551writers every few years anyway just
5552
55531389
555400:59:48,990 --> 00:59:51,060
5555because new writers bring with them new
5556
55571390
555800:59:51,060 --> 00:59:52,890
5559characters new concepts new ways of
5560
55611391
556200:59:52,890 --> 00:59:54,990
5563looking at things and it shakes up the
5564
55651392
556600:59:54,990 --> 00:59:57,150
5567universe so you're not just doing you
5568
55691393
557000:59:57,150 --> 01:00:03,090
5571know issue 347 of Batman you're you're
5572
55731394
557401:00:03,090 --> 01:00:07,290
5575bringing in new guys and and it's it's
5576
55771395
557801:00:07,290 --> 01:00:10,080
5579exciting it's a fun process but I'm very
5580
55811396
558201:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,150
5583very selective I mean don't come up to
5584
55851397
558601:00:12,150 --> 01:00:14,340
5587me and try to sign yourself up for a
5588
55891398
559001:00:14,340 --> 01:00:16,050
5591wild card it won't work
5592
55931399
559401:00:16,050 --> 01:00:19,290
5595I want writers who you know are fairly
5596
55971400
559801:00:19,290 --> 01:00:21,600
5599well established who will bring their
5600
56011401
560201:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,520
5603own fans to because we're always looking
5604
56051402
560601:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,830
5607at course for new readers so if a writer
5608
56091403
561001:00:25,830 --> 01:00:29,580
5611has a fan base of their own has been
5612
56131404
561401:00:29,580 --> 01:00:32,160
5615successful and they can come to wild
5616
56171405
561801:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,350
5619cards with some great new ideas and even
5620
56211406
562201:00:34,350 --> 01:00:35,790
5623then I the first thing you have to do to
5624
56251407
562601:00:35,790 --> 01:00:37,770
5627create a character and I reject a lot of
5628
56291408
563001:00:37,770 --> 01:00:40,530
5631characters because we already have a lot
5632
56331409
563401:00:40,530 --> 01:00:42,810
5635of characters the most exciting thing in
5636
56371410
563801:00:42,810 --> 01:00:44,070
5639the wild card front though is that we're
5640
56411411
564201:00:44,070 --> 01:00:45,780
5643now in developing a wild card television
5644
56451412
564601:00:45,780 --> 01:00:46,200
5647series
5648
56491413
565001:00:46,200 --> 01:00:51,930
5651so keep your eye for that we we have we
5652
56531414
565401:00:51,930 --> 01:00:53,280
5655have a deal we're gonna be shooting
5656
56571415
565801:00:53,280 --> 01:00:58,140
5659pilots and hopefully we'll have a series
5660
56611416
566201:00:58,140 --> 01:01:02,370
5663or two beyond that awesome so Linda
5664
56651417
566601:01:02,370 --> 01:01:04,830
5667Scott grasses is part of that yeah yeah
5668
56691418
567001:01:04,830 --> 01:01:06,840
5671she'll be one of the writers and the
5672
56731419
567401:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,690
5675executive producers on the show and
5676
56771420
567801:01:08,690 --> 01:01:11,250
5679we're talking to a lot of other very
5680
56811421
568201:01:11,250 --> 01:01:13,050
5683talented people about coming on and
5684
56851422
568601:01:13,050 --> 01:01:14,550
5687being part of it beautiful
5688
56891423
569001:01:14,550 --> 01:01:18,390
5691so another show that's a much further in
5692
56931424
569401:01:18,390 --> 01:01:20,400
5695development is night fliers that's tying
5696
56971425
569801:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,230
5699a development it's it's coming it's here
5700
57011426
570201:01:22,230 --> 01:01:23,700
5703that's why ours will be on this floor
5704
57051427
570601:01:23,700 --> 01:01:26,520
5707yeah we've got that and you guys if any
5708
57091428
571001:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,850
5711of you are not members of Worldcon you
5712
57131429
571401:01:29,850 --> 01:01:32,070
5715should sign up for Worldcon we will have
5716
57171430
571801:01:32,070 --> 01:01:34,140
5719on Thursday we'll have a night fliers
5720
57211431
572201:01:34,140 --> 01:01:35,400
5723presentation Wow
5724
57251432
572601:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,770
5727we will be showing a Jeff Bueller who is
5728
57291433
573001:01:37,770 --> 01:01:40,560
5731the showrunner and wrote the pilot
5732
57331434
573401:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,520
5735script is here and he and I will be
5736
57371435
573801:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,270
5739screening a trailer a teaser trailer
5740
57411436
574201:01:47,270 --> 01:01:52,380
5743from from night fliers and season one
5744
57451437
574601:01:52,380 --> 01:01:54,690
5747and he'll be there to talk about it
5748
57491438
575001:01:54,690 --> 01:01:57,150
5751answer your questions so that should be
5752
57531439
575401:01:57,150 --> 01:01:59,280
5755exciting and the show will be debut on
5756
57571440
575801:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,940
5759Syfy sometime in the fall yeah I mean
5760
57611441
576201:02:02,940 --> 01:02:05,340
5763this is a science fiction horror story
5764
57651442
576601:02:05,340 --> 01:02:08,070
5767that you wrote like back in 1980 1980
5768
57691443
577001:02:08,070 --> 01:02:10,200
5771I'm talking twenty three thousand words
5772
57731444
577401:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,640
5775gets expanded eventually into a thirty
5776
57771445
577801:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,930
5779five thousand word version novella
5780
57811446
578201:02:14,930 --> 01:02:18,810
5783but it was created from what I hear
5784
57851447
578601:02:18,810 --> 01:02:20,700
5787based off of a challenge that was given
5788
57891448
579001:02:20,700 --> 01:02:22,200
5791to you or not a challenge that was given
5792
57931449
579401:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,220
5795to you a challenge that you took upon
5796
57971450
579801:02:23,220 --> 01:02:26,520
5799yourself to it was a way who was the
5800
58011451
580201:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,500
5803person that said that science fiction
5804
58051452
580601:02:28,500 --> 01:02:29,160
5807and horror
5808
58091453
581001:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,050
5811could not war diametrically opposed and
5812
58131454
581401:02:31,050 --> 01:02:33,000
5815couldn't work successfully together
5816
58171455
581801:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,620
5819within a story who was this person that
5820
58211456
582201:02:34,620 --> 01:02:36,450
5823says this it was somebody that says you
5824
58251457
582601:02:36,450 --> 01:02:38,130
5827know I'm not actually sure at this point
5828
58291458
583001:02:38,130 --> 01:02:39,600
5831I'd if I look it up but I was reading
5832
58331459
583401:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,870
5835some criticism around 1979 yeah
5836
58371460
583801:02:42,870 --> 01:02:44,910
5839there's some book about the history of
5840
58411461
584201:02:44,910 --> 01:02:47,070
5843science fiction or critical theory or
5844
58451462
584601:02:47,070 --> 01:02:49,170
5847something and the critic put forward the
5848
58491463
585001:02:49,170 --> 01:02:53,220
5851theory that science fiction on one hand
5852
58531464
585401:02:53,220 --> 01:02:54,990
5855and horror on the other were
5856
58571465
585801:02:54,990 --> 01:02:56,790
5859diametrically opposed
5860
58611466
586201:02:56,790 --> 01:02:58,530
5863that one of them was all intellectual
5864
58651467
586601:02:58,530 --> 01:03:02,400
5867and the other one was all emotional you
5868
58691468
587001:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,350
5871know one of them appeal to our thought
5872
58731469
587401:03:04,350 --> 01:03:06,120
5875processes and the other one appeal to
5876
58771470
587801:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,910
5879our gutter or base instincts and that
5880
58811471
588201:03:08,910 --> 01:03:11,760
5883they could never never mix and of course
5884
58851472
588601:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,470
5887I took that as a challenge and what the
5888
58891473
589001:03:13,470 --> 01:03:16,020
5891 do you mean I I'll mix them we'll
5892
58931474
589401:03:16,020 --> 01:03:18,720
5895see so I started writing what I call my
5896
58971475
589801:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,970
5899hybrid stories and I wrote I wrote
5900
59011476
590201:03:20,970 --> 01:03:22,680
5903several of them over a few years
5904
59051477
590601:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,390
5907probably the best-known was my story
5908
59091478
591001:03:24,390 --> 01:03:26,190
5911sand kings that have prepared an omni
5912
59131479
591401:03:26,190 --> 01:03:30,960
5915and one one day you go in the nebula and
5916
59171480
591801:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,640
5919then a year later I wrote an expires
5920
59211481
592201:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,100
5923which was also nominated for you go
5924
59251482
592601:03:35,100 --> 01:03:37,610
5927nebula managed to lose both of them but
5928
59291483
593001:03:37,610 --> 01:03:42,050
5931nonetheless was up was a finalist and
5932
59331484
593401:03:42,050 --> 01:03:44,940
5935got picked up and made into this movie
5936
59371485
593801:03:44,940 --> 01:03:51,120
5939in 1987 which no one saw but the rights
5940
59411486
594201:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,790
5943you know I'd signed a deal that conveyed
5944
59451487
594601:03:53,790 --> 01:03:56,790
5947film and television rights and they sort
5948
59491488
595001:03:56,790 --> 01:04:00,930
5951of laid fellow from 1987 for 30 years
5952
59531489
595401:04:00,930 --> 01:04:03,510
5955and then someone discovered oh look we
5956
59571490
595801:04:03,510 --> 01:04:05,130
5959own the rights to make a television show
5960
59611491
596201:04:05,130 --> 01:04:08,340
5963so let's do that and they have and here
5964
59651492
596601:04:08,340 --> 01:04:08,850
5967they are
5968
59691493
597001:04:08,850 --> 01:04:14,240
5971of course they I mean next Liars is it's
5972
59731494
597401:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,280
5975it's been reissued you can buy copies
5976
59771495
597801:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,860
5979it's a convention in - there's a night
5980
59811496
598201:04:19,860 --> 01:04:21,330
5983fighters collection that flies and other
5984
59851497
598601:04:21,330 --> 01:04:24,450
5987stories that has expires plus six of my
5988
59891498
599001:04:24,450 --> 01:04:26,190
5991other stories and this was a very
5992
59931499
599401:04:26,190 --> 01:04:28,530
5995handsome illustrated edition which I
5996
59971500
599801:04:28,530 --> 01:04:30,150
5999know you'll always like - illustrator
6000
60011501
600201:04:30,150 --> 01:04:31,830
6003which has no need a novella but some
6004
60051502
600601:04:31,830 --> 01:04:33,660
6007beautiful art in it it's David Palumbo
6008
60091503
601001:04:33,660 --> 01:04:39,870
6011this yes Wow so you can read take your
6012
60131504
601401:04:39,870 --> 01:04:41,250
6015choice read two versions of the same
6016
60171505
601801:04:41,250 --> 01:04:50,430
6019story what the the film velvet has a
6020
60211506
602201:04:50,430 --> 01:04:53,190
6023definite end I mean you know there there
6024
60251507
602601:04:53,190 --> 01:04:54,660
6027are a number of characters on a haunted
6028
60291508
603001:04:54,660 --> 01:04:58,320
6031spaceship and almost all of them die so
6032
60331509
603401:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,210
6035how am I gonna make a TV series out of
6036
60371510
603801:05:00,210 --> 01:05:06,150
6039that so they they have Jeff if you come
6040
60411511
604201:05:06,150 --> 01:05:07,850
6043to thing how do you how do you
6044
60451512
604601:05:07,850 --> 01:05:11,450
6047do that so you know sometimes Scarlett
6048
60491513
605001:05:11,450 --> 01:05:15,200
6051O'Hara has one child and sometimes code
6052
60531514
605401:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,960
6055or hair has three and sometimes you kill
6056
60571515
605801:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,650
6059all of Scarlett's children and then you
6060
60611516
606201:05:21,650 --> 01:05:23,510
6063have to make a story of that so your
6064
60651517
606601:05:23,510 --> 01:05:25,700
6067executive producer on that one I am yeah
6068
60691518
607001:05:25,700 --> 01:05:27,500
6071I mean so your executive producer on a
6072
60731519
607401:05:27,500 --> 01:05:29,090
6075number of these on all of these projects
6076
60771520
607801:05:29,090 --> 01:05:31,420
6079that I've since Game of Thrones for sure
6080
60811521
608201:05:31,420 --> 01:05:33,470
6083Tyson's Beauty the Beast right we
6084
60851522
608601:05:33,470 --> 01:05:35,600
6087exactly a producer on that as well I was
6088
60891523
609001:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,790
6091unbeaten the Beast I only reached a rank
6092
60931524
609401:05:37,790 --> 01:05:40,310
6095of supervising producer so I want to you
6096
60971525
609801:05:40,310 --> 01:05:41,930
6099know I mean for someone like me who
6100
61011526
610201:05:41,930 --> 01:05:43,460
6103doesn't have experience in TV I mean
6104
61051527
610601:05:43,460 --> 01:05:46,640
6107talk to us about what is the how much
6108
61091528
611001:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,440
6111control and input do you have as an
6112
61131529
611401:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,200
6115executive producer in general but really
6116
61171530
611801:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,930
6119I also want to hear from you since Game
6120
61211531
612201:05:53,930 --> 01:05:55,580
6123of Thrones do you have more and more
6124
61251532
612601:05:55,580 --> 01:05:58,070
6127control or an input over these things or
6128
61291533
613001:05:58,070 --> 01:05:59,990
6131do you even want that kind of input in
6132
61331534
613401:05:59,990 --> 01:06:02,420
6135control as you do with more and more of
6136
61371535
613801:06:02,420 --> 01:06:05,960
6139these projects power-mad so of course I
6140
61411536
614201:06:05,960 --> 01:06:10,640
6143always want power and control but as to
6144
61451537
614601:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,010
6147how much I have none really
6148
61491538
615001:06:13,010 --> 01:06:16,130
6151none yeah Hollywood is very loath to
6152
61531539
615401:06:16,130 --> 01:06:20,360
6155give up control and even if you're like
6156
61571540
615801:06:20,360 --> 01:06:21,890
6159a showrunner who's the person who has
6160
61611541
616201:06:21,890 --> 01:06:24,980
6163the most control you don't have complete
6164
61651542
616601:06:24,980 --> 01:06:26,690
6167control because the network can fire you
6168
61691543
617001:06:26,690 --> 01:06:29,240
6171at any time at the studio and there were
6172
61731544
617401:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,900
6175always people who will you know and can
6176
61771545
617801:06:32,900 --> 01:06:38,810
6179trump you right there so it's it's power
6180
61811546
618201:06:38,810 --> 01:06:41,060
6183is the hardest thing to get in Hollywood
6184
61851547
618601:06:41,060 --> 01:06:44,810
6187and creative control even some very huge
6188
61891548
619001:06:44,810 --> 01:06:48,220
6191names don't get it I mean you look at
6192
61931549
619401:06:48,220 --> 01:06:52,040
6195big things like the you know the Star
6196
61971550
619801:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,700
6199Wars movies or the Star Trek movies or
6200
62011551
620201:06:54,700 --> 01:06:57,020
6203you know some of the Marvel movies like
6204
62051552
620601:06:57,020 --> 01:06:59,020
6207ant-man and you read about these giant
6208
62091553
621001:06:59,020 --> 01:07:01,070
6211directors who are suddenly being fired
6212
62131554
621401:07:01,070 --> 01:07:03,080
6215and replaced midstream by other
6216
62171555
621801:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,730
6219directors because they ran afoul or
6220
62211556
622201:07:04,730 --> 01:07:09,020
6223something what you do get us you rise in
6224
62251557
622601:07:09,020 --> 01:07:10,340
6227the ranks of Hollywood you don't get
6228
62291558
623001:07:10,340 --> 01:07:11,870
6231more power and control but you do get
6232
62331559
623401:07:11,870 --> 01:07:15,290
6235more money which is which is good you
6236
62371560
623801:07:15,290 --> 01:07:16,680
6239know
6240
62411561
624201:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,710
6243you say you know your agent gets an
6244
62451562
624601:07:19,710 --> 01:07:21,630
6247intense negotiations and you say well
6248
62491563
625001:07:21,630 --> 01:07:23,790
6251okay you can have this story of mine to
6252
62531564
625401:07:23,790 --> 01:07:26,490
6255make into a movie but I want script
6256
62571565
625801:07:26,490 --> 01:07:29,460
6259approval and they'll say mm script
6260
62611566
626201:07:29,460 --> 01:07:31,319
6263approval know how I put another million
6264
62651567
626601:07:31,319 --> 01:07:36,059
6267dollars no I don't I don't want the baby
6268
62691568
627001:07:36,059 --> 01:07:38,450
6271died okay could I have script approval
6272
62731569
627401:07:38,450 --> 01:07:43,410
6275mmm two million dollars and and a piece
6276
62771570
627801:07:43,410 --> 01:07:45,329
6279of the gross would that good you know no
6280
62811571
628201:07:45,329 --> 01:07:47,490
6283script approval though so you'd never
6284
62851572
628601:07:47,490 --> 01:07:49,680
6287get the power but you get giant dump
6288
62891573
629001:07:49,680 --> 01:07:58,380
6291trucks full of money so even you so even
6292
62931574
629401:07:58,380 --> 01:08:00,210
6295you don't get that kind of control this
6296
62971575
629801:08:00,210 --> 01:08:02,069
6299know what you have at a certain point is
6300
63011576
630201:08:02,069 --> 01:08:04,770
6303influence yeah an influence is not the
6304
63051577
630601:08:04,770 --> 01:08:06,900
6307same as power but it's not you know they
6308
63091578
631001:08:06,900 --> 01:08:08,280
6311will listen to you they will take your
6312
63131579
631401:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,470
6315calls you can make your argument about
6316
63171580
631801:08:10,470 --> 01:08:12,750
6319you know who should be cast a particular
6320
63211581
632201:08:12,750 --> 01:08:15,000
6323role or okay whether the story should
6324
63251582
632601:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,130
6327end this way or that way you can try to
6328
63291583
633001:08:17,130 --> 01:08:20,100
6331persuade them but remember that this is
6332
63331584
633401:08:20,100 --> 01:08:21,810
6335a collaborative process there were other
6336
63371585
633801:08:21,810 --> 01:08:23,880
6339people in them in the process other
6340
63411586
634201:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,920
6343creative people there their directors
6344
63451587
634601:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,739
6347there are actors who have views of how
6348
63491588
635001:08:28,739 --> 01:08:30,420
6351their character should go their
6352
63531589
635401:08:30,420 --> 01:08:32,609
6355directors can be very strong-minded and
6356
63571590
635801:08:32,609 --> 01:08:34,170
6359they have a lot of power particularly in
6360
63611591
636201:08:34,170 --> 01:08:36,660
6363features in television it's more than a
6364
63651592
636601:08:36,660 --> 01:08:40,259
6367producer but still it's a complex thing
6368
63691593
637001:08:40,259 --> 01:08:42,239
6371and every project is different every
6372
63731594
637401:08:42,239 --> 01:08:47,400
6375project is a whole new ballgame so it's
6376
63771595
637801:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,350
6379like you're a football player baseball
6380
63811596
638201:08:49,350 --> 01:08:50,790
6383player and every season you're on a
6384
63851597
638601:08:50,790 --> 01:08:52,679
6387different team and you don't know you
6388
63891598
639001:08:52,679 --> 01:08:54,270
6391arrive on your new team you don't know
6392
63931599
639401:08:54,270 --> 01:08:56,190
6395you know is the pitcher an asshole
6396
63971600
639801:08:56,190 --> 01:08:59,819
6399what's the owner like you know who would
6400
64011601
640201:08:59,819 --> 01:09:02,130
6403it who da goes on the team or the real
6404
64051602
640601:09:02,130 --> 01:09:03,750
6407team players you don't know you you're
6408
64091603
641001:09:03,750 --> 01:09:05,460
6411in a new situation you find out as you
6412
64131604
641401:09:05,460 --> 01:09:07,739
6415go along so it's a challenging
6416
64171605
641801:09:07,739 --> 01:09:09,750
6419profession for all you young writers if
6420
64211606
642201:09:09,750 --> 01:09:12,120
6423you want to get into a television and
6424
64251607
642601:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,940
6427film you're in the right state for it
6428
64291608
643001:09:14,940 --> 01:09:16,560
6431but the wrong city get your ass down to
6432
64331609
643401:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,210
6435LA and
6436
64371610
643801:09:18,210 --> 01:09:20,700
6439you know then you can start getting into
6440
64411611
644201:09:20,700 --> 01:09:23,910
6443that but it's it's a high-stress hard
6444
64451612
644601:09:23,910 --> 01:09:29,430
6447reward yeah kind of profession yeah we
6448
64491613
645001:09:29,430 --> 01:09:31,469
6451started off talking about worl con I
6452
64531614
645401:09:31,469 --> 01:09:33,259
6455think we're gonna kind of wind this down
6456
64571615
645801:09:33,259 --> 01:09:37,080
6459finishing on unknown of fandom both of
6460
64611616
646201:09:37,080 --> 01:09:41,670
6463us being fans first you know you you
6464
64651617
646601:09:41,670 --> 01:09:44,400
6467have always been a we talked about art
6468
64691618
647001:09:44,400 --> 01:09:45,870
6471earlier in the discussion and you've
6472
64731619
647401:09:45,870 --> 01:09:48,060
6475always been a champion for it and we
6476
64771620
647801:09:48,060 --> 01:09:49,350
6479talked we've had a lot of conversations
6480
64811621
648201:09:49,350 --> 01:09:50,850
6483about artists but we I've never gotten
6484
64851622
648601:09:50,850 --> 01:09:53,009
6487to ask you you know you grew up loving
6488
64891623
649001:09:53,009 --> 01:09:55,050
6491comic books who were your favorite comic
6492
64931624
649401:09:55,050 --> 01:09:57,180
6495book artists and genre illustrators
6496
64971625
649801:09:57,180 --> 01:10:00,090
6499growing up with some of those that you
6500
65011626
650201:10:00,090 --> 01:10:02,969
6503really loved well yeah I was a comic fan
6504
65051627
650601:10:02,969 --> 01:10:06,930
6507before I was even a science-fiction fan
6508
65091628
651001:10:06,930 --> 01:10:09,600
6511although I started both pretty young but
6512
65131629
651401:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,550
6515I read comic books voraciously as a in
6516
65171630
651801:10:14,550 --> 01:10:16,320
6519grade school and all that at a certain
6520
65211631
652201:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,489
6523point when I was like in seventh grade I
6524
65251632
652601:10:20,489 --> 01:10:23,370
6527decided that I was too old and
6528
65291633
653001:10:23,370 --> 01:10:25,860
6531sophisticated for comic books now so I
6532
65331634
653401:10:25,860 --> 01:10:27,690
6535gave all my comic books away which I
6536
65371635
653801:10:27,690 --> 01:10:29,969
6539regret to this day God but it lasted
6540
65411636
654201:10:29,969 --> 01:10:32,040
6543only a year and then I decided to own
6544
65451637
654601:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,750
6547that comic book looks interested and I
6548
65491638
655001:10:33,750 --> 01:10:35,580
6551started buying them again fortunately I
6552
65531639
655401:10:35,580 --> 01:10:37,230
6555started buying him right around the time
6556
65571640
655801:10:37,230 --> 01:10:41,040
6559that the Marvel Comics kicked in and so
6560
65611641
656201:10:41,040 --> 01:10:42,390
6563I was right there for the beginning of
6564
65651642
656601:10:42,390 --> 01:10:44,820
6567Marvel yeah got all that he really more
6568
65691643
657001:10:44,820 --> 01:10:46,650
6571well things first words of mine ever
6572
65731644
657401:10:46,650 --> 01:10:48,570
6575published were in Fantastic Four number
6576
65771645
657801:10:48,570 --> 01:10:52,530
657920 a letter to the you know letters page
6580
65811646
658201:10:52,530 --> 01:10:58,200
6583dear Stan and Jack I don't know why Stan
6584
65851647
658601:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,770
6587published it it basically said move over
6588
65891648
659001:11:01,770 --> 01:11:05,300
6591Shakespeare's Stanley has arrived
6592
65931649
659401:11:05,300 --> 01:11:08,310
6595why would I wish that
6596
65971650
659801:11:08,310 --> 01:11:11,390
6599I don't know but Jack Kirby who was
6600
66011651
660201:11:11,390 --> 01:11:14,210
6603worked with Stanley on all of those
6604
66051652
660601:11:14,210 --> 01:11:17,730
6607titles Fantastic Four Avengers
6608
66091653
661001:11:17,730 --> 01:11:20,790
6611etc etc of course the king of comics he
6612
66131654
661401:11:20,790 --> 01:11:22,470
6615was called he was an amazing amazing
6616
66171655
661801:11:22,470 --> 01:11:25,560
6619talent and he was one of my favorites
6620
66211656
662201:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,230
6623and maybe even more than Kirby in my
6624
66251657
662601:11:28,230 --> 01:11:33,990
6627case Steve Ditko who recently died the
6628
66291658
663001:11:33,990 --> 01:11:38,850
6631illustrator of spider-man and Doctor
6632
66331659
663401:11:38,850 --> 01:11:41,100
6635Strange numerous other things did Coe
6636
66371660
663801:11:41,100 --> 01:11:45,270
6639was a unique and brilliant talent with a
6640
66411661
664201:11:45,270 --> 01:11:50,970
6643style that was kind of unmistakable over
6644
66451662
664601:11:50,970 --> 01:11:53,940
6647at DC at the same time the flash was
6648
66491663
665001:11:53,940 --> 01:11:56,760
6651going it was the first Silver Age hero
6652
66531664
665401:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,710
6655he was illustrated by carmine infantino
6656
66571665
665801:11:58,710 --> 01:12:01,050
6659was a brilliant artist in his own way
6660
66611666
666201:12:01,050 --> 01:12:02,790
6663but Infantino
6664
66651667
666601:12:02,790 --> 01:12:06,330
6667had you know the flash was running
6668
66691668
667001:12:06,330 --> 01:12:07,680
6671around Central City which was the
6672
66731669
667401:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,460
6675cleanest city you ever seen all the
6676
66771670
667801:12:11,460 --> 01:12:14,090
6679buildings seemed to be yellow orange and
6680
66811671
668201:12:14,090 --> 01:12:17,820
6683everything was in bright daylight and it
6684
66851672
668601:12:17,820 --> 01:12:22,290
6687was you know it was great Infantino was
6688
66891673
669001:12:22,290 --> 01:12:25,110
6691a wonderful artist but then you you got
6692
66931674
669401:12:25,110 --> 01:12:28,200
6695into disco spider-man said in this weird
6696
66971675
669801:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,030
6699place called New York City which was
6700
67011676
670201:12:30,030 --> 01:12:32,190
6703much different from Central City and was
6704
67051677
670601:12:32,190 --> 01:12:35,070
6707walking weird angles and alleys with
6708
67091678
671001:12:35,070 --> 01:12:37,290
6711dumpsters overflowing with garbage and
6712
67131679
671401:12:37,290 --> 01:12:39,810
6715and water towers on tops of buildings
6716
67171680
671801:12:39,810 --> 01:12:42,390
6719and Spiderman was hanging from fire
6720
67211681
672201:12:42,390 --> 01:12:45,570
6723escapes and all that just looks so real
6724
67251682
672601:12:45,570 --> 01:12:48,270
6727and so lived in and so much like the
6728
67291683
673001:12:48,270 --> 01:12:51,840
6731place that I lived that um you know it
6732
67331684
673401:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,700
6735took me there and again kenick was with
6736
67371685
673801:12:53,700 --> 01:12:55,110
6739dr. strange he took me to other
6740
67411686
674201:12:55,110 --> 01:12:57,660
6743dimensions he showed me this this
6744
67451687
674601:12:57,660 --> 01:12:59,760
6747weird-ass psychedelic before there
6748
67491688
675001:12:59,760 --> 01:13:05,040
6751even was psychedelic a great genius
6752
67531689
675401:13:05,040 --> 01:13:09,360
6755Ditko and he died just a couple months
6756
67571690
675801:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,810
6759ago a very sad end because you know he
6760
67611691
676201:13:12,810 --> 01:13:17,540
6763had know what to call
6764
67651692
676601:13:17,540 --> 01:13:20,300
6767Ditko had very strong philosophical
6768
67691693
677001:13:20,300 --> 01:13:25,960
6771political views that were I know I guess
6772
67731694
677401:13:25,960 --> 01:13:30,470
6775Objectivist I'm Randian and they got
6776
67771695
677801:13:30,470 --> 01:13:32,570
6779stronger and stronger and to the point
6780
67811696
678201:13:32,570 --> 01:13:34,700
6783that made him impossible to work in the
6784
67851697
678601:13:34,700 --> 01:13:38,060
6787industry any longer so he wound up just
6788
67891698
679001:13:38,060 --> 01:13:40,550
6791doing his own kind of fringe stuff and
6792
67931699
679401:13:40,550 --> 01:13:45,050
6795you know he died alone in some grungy
6796
67971700
679801:13:45,050 --> 01:13:48,020
6799apartment in Newark City and it was
6800
68011701
680201:13:48,020 --> 01:13:50,030
6803three days before anyone found him and
6804
68051702
680601:13:50,030 --> 01:13:54,890
6807it's such a sad end for a brilliant man
6808
68091703
681001:13:54,890 --> 01:13:56,660
6811I had the honor of meet Steve Ditko once
6812
68131704
681401:13:56,660 --> 01:13:59,780
6815I mean you talk about fandom I I am the
6816
68171705
681801:13:59,780 --> 01:14:06,770
6819first comic book fan in a sense comic
6820
68211706
682201:14:06,770 --> 01:14:08,690
6823fandom as an independent thing grew up
6824
68251707
682601:14:08,690 --> 01:14:12,980
6827in the early 60s and you know even comic
6828
68291708
683001:14:12,980 --> 01:14:14,540
6831fans in science fiction they've been
6832
68331709
683401:14:14,540 --> 01:14:17,660
6835some fanzines devoted to comics even but
6836
68371710
683801:14:17,660 --> 01:14:20,180
6839in what comic fandoms sort of took off
6840
68411711
684201:14:20,180 --> 01:14:23,030
6843as his own thing in the early 60s and in
6844
68451712
684601:14:23,030 --> 01:14:27,920
6847in 1964 the first Comic Con was held in
6848
68491713
685001:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,220
6851New York City it was one day only Len
6852
68531714
685401:14:31,220 --> 01:14:33,890
6855Wein was part of a group running it I
6856
68571715
685801:14:33,890 --> 01:14:39,920
6859meant Len there and it was held in some
6860
68611716
686201:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,530
6863kind of Union Hall the Workmen's the
6864
68651717
686601:14:42,530 --> 01:14:45,320
6867working man's palace or something in
6868
68691718
687001:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,390
6871Greenwich Village in New York City so I
6872
68731719
687401:14:47,390 --> 01:14:49,730
6875took the bus in from Bayonne to you know
6876
68771720
687801:14:49,730 --> 01:14:52,220
6879to attend this and I was the first guy
6880
68811721
688201:14:52,220 --> 01:14:54,440
6883to sign up when they announced it and
6884
68851722
688601:14:54,440 --> 01:14:55,640
6887said we're gonna have a comic book
6888
68891723
689001:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,410
6891convention you know sign up at quarter
6892
68931724
689401:14:57,410 --> 01:14:59,720
6895dollar fifty I sent in my dollar fifty
6896
68971725
689801:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,700
6899so I was number one on a wish I had
6900
69011726
690201:15:01,700 --> 01:15:03,470
6903badge number one so that made the first
6904
69051727
690601:15:03,470 --> 01:15:05,680
6907comic book fan
6908
69091728
691001:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,320
6911[Applause]
6912
69131729
691401:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,179
6915and we got there a new Elvis this tiny
6916
69171730
691801:15:12,179 --> 01:15:14,429
6919little room would you know a few a few
6920
69211731
692201:15:14,429 --> 01:15:16,650
6923folding chairs and the table the front
6924
69251732
692601:15:16,650 --> 01:15:18,360
6927and they had three or four artists in
6928
69291733
693001:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,059
6931and fabulous Flo Steinberg who was
6932
69331734
693401:15:21,059 --> 01:15:22,739
6935Stanley a secretary was one of the
6936
69371735
693801:15:22,739 --> 01:15:25,199
6939guests and Steve Ditko showed up so I
6940
69411736
694201:15:25,199 --> 01:15:27,239
6943actually get the bet Steve Ditko and you
6944
69451737
694601:15:27,239 --> 01:15:28,800
6947know I said how much I love Doctor
6948
69491738
695001:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,989
6951Strange and spider-man and he said he
6952
69531739
695401:15:30,989 --> 01:15:32,520
6955had Doctor Strange was his favorite too
6956
69571740
695801:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,010
6959and I got to shake his hand I was just a
6960
69611741
696201:15:35,010 --> 01:15:37,650
6963little high school kid and as far as I
6964
69651742
696601:15:37,650 --> 01:15:39,599
6967know Steve Ditko never went to another
6968
69691743
697001:15:39,599 --> 01:15:41,909
6971convention and it's live off so I guess
6972
69731744
697401:15:41,909 --> 01:15:44,520
6975we we terrify them saying that they're
6976
69771745
697801:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,429
6979but but I did get to meet him and I got
6980
69811746
698201:15:47,429 --> 01:15:48,900
6983his autograph somewhere or something I
6984
69851747
698601:15:48,900 --> 01:15:50,969
6987hope I still have it I'm buried in one
6988
69891748
699001:15:50,969 --> 01:15:53,940
6991of my things so it was amazing I wish it
6992
69931749
699401:15:53,940 --> 01:15:57,090
6995continued with you know he did even
6996
69971750
699801:15:57,090 --> 01:15:58,920
6999besides Doctor Strange and sprite around
7000
70011751
700201:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,860
7003he did some incredible work on other
7004
70051752
700601:16:00,860 --> 01:16:03,539
7007other things he went to Charlton where
7008
70091753
701001:16:03,539 --> 01:16:07,500
7011invented to question and ii take on
7012
70131754
701401:16:07,500 --> 01:16:08,610
7015Charles Blue Beetle
7016
70171755
701801:16:08,610 --> 01:16:11,489
7019he drew captain Adam all the characters
7020
70211756
702201:16:11,489 --> 01:16:13,500
7023that Alan Moore would rework for round
7024
70251757
702601:16:13,500 --> 01:16:16,980
7027watchmen and then he went to DC were
7028
70291758
703001:16:16,980 --> 01:16:20,389
7031invented shade the changing man creeper
7032
70331759
703401:16:20,389 --> 01:16:23,340
7035incredible incredible creative talented
7036
70371760
703801:16:23,340 --> 01:16:25,230
7039they're giving me the wraps on I wanted
7040
70411761
704201:16:25,230 --> 01:16:26,429
7043to get into illustrator so I'm gonna
7044
70451762
704601:16:26,429 --> 01:16:28,230
7047wrap it up with one last real quick
7048
70491763
705001:16:28,230 --> 01:16:30,630
7051quick hitter for all the people that
7052
70531764
705401:16:30,630 --> 01:16:32,039
7055haven't been to a world called give them
7056
70571765
705801:16:32,039 --> 01:16:34,980
7059three things about this particular or
7060
70611766
706201:16:34,980 --> 01:16:38,099
7063three events or three reasons why they
7064
70651767
706601:16:38,099 --> 01:16:39,570
7067should come to this one for the people
7068
70691768
707001:16:39,570 --> 01:16:41,449
7071who haven't been to a world calm before
7072
70731769
707401:16:41,449 --> 01:16:43,349
7075it's the world science fiction
7076
70771770
707801:16:43,349 --> 01:16:44,880
7079convention they've been having him since
7080
70811771
708201:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,059
70831939 you know there are many bigger
7084
70851772
708601:16:48,059 --> 01:16:49,739
7087conventions these days you may have
7088
70891773
709001:16:49,739 --> 01:16:51,750
7091heard of San Diego comic-con Gen Con
7092
70931774
709401:16:51,750 --> 01:16:54,090
7095Dragon Con but this is the original it
7096
70971775
709801:16:54,090 --> 01:16:56,070
7099moves to a different city every year it
7100
71011776
710201:16:56,070 --> 01:16:58,579
7103hasn't been in San Jose since I believe
7104
71051777
710601:16:58,579 --> 01:17:02,670
71072002 so who knows when it'll come back
7108
71091778
711001:17:02,670 --> 01:17:05,520
7111here next if you're local this is your
7112
71131779
711401:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,199
7115chance to be part of science fiction
7116
71171780
711801:17:07,199 --> 01:17:09,239
7119history this is where the Hugo Awards
7120
71211781
712201:17:09,239 --> 01:17:10,860
7123are giving and you can attend the you go
7124
71251782
712601:17:10,860 --> 01:17:13,139
7127award ceremony the Oscars of science
7128
71291783
713001:17:13,139 --> 01:17:14,610
7131fiction the oldest and most prestigious
7132
71331784
713401:17:14,610 --> 01:17:17,429
7135award in the field
7136
71371785
713801:17:17,429 --> 01:17:21,239
7139and I'm gonna be there John that's gonna
7140
71411786
714201:17:21,239 --> 01:17:25,830
7143be there remember we're on a part of the
7144
71451787
714601:17:25,830 --> 01:17:28,560
7147act I mean this is a lot of clowns and a
7148
71491788
715001:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,469
7151lot of monkeys and at this surface there
7152
71531789
715401:17:31,469 --> 01:17:34,050
7155they're gonna be hundreds of authors old
7156
71571790
715801:17:34,050 --> 01:17:37,080
7159authors new authors authors of all sorts
7160
71611791
716201:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,239
7163there's an amazing art show where you
7164
71651792
716601:17:39,239 --> 01:17:41,280
7167can go in and you can see all these
7168
71691793
717001:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,530
7171wonderful paintings and drawings and you
7172
71731794
717401:17:43,530 --> 01:17:45,659
7175can even purchase some of them you can
7176
71771795
717801:17:45,659 --> 01:17:47,929
7179bid on them there's an art auction
7180
71811796
718201:17:47,929 --> 01:17:51,060
7183sometimes if you're short out sharp-eyed
7184
71851797
718601:17:51,060 --> 01:17:53,400
7187you can find the next John boccaccio is
7188
71891798
719001:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,920
7191unknown and has these cheap works that
7192
71931799
719401:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,179
7195you can end by and it'll be much
7196
71971800
719801:17:57,179 --> 01:17:59,159
7199valuable in a few more years when they
7200
72011801
720201:17:59,159 --> 01:18:03,870
7203become as famous as John Orr and theirs
7204
72051802
720601:18:03,870 --> 01:18:05,820
7207let's see what else is there does the
7208
72091803
721001:18:05,820 --> 01:18:08,880
7211Art Show there's panel discussions you
7212
72131804
721401:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,949
7215know what it is it's relationships it's
7216
72171805
721801:18:10,949 --> 01:18:12,719
7219people it's it's people who end up
7220
72211806
722201:18:12,719 --> 01:18:15,719
7223becoming your friends that you didn't
7224
72251807
722601:18:15,719 --> 01:18:17,489
7227you never saw these things coming either
7228
72291808
723001:18:17,489 --> 01:18:21,989
7231I'm bringing 50 I hate what I say magic
7232
72331809
723401:18:21,989 --> 01:18:25,739
7235onyx people of Mexican heritage and
7236
72371810
723801:18:25,739 --> 01:18:27,270
7239extraction being that I'm Mexican
7240
72411811
724201:18:27,270 --> 01:18:30,929
7243American myself to work on and there
7244
72451812
724601:18:30,929 --> 01:18:33,510
7247will be having a reception this week for
7248
72491813
725001:18:33,510 --> 01:18:34,340
7251those people
7252
72531814
725401:18:34,340 --> 01:18:37,739
7255thanks and I will say this just to wrap
7256
72571815
725801:18:37,739 --> 01:18:40,170
7259this up one of the things I hope to tell
7260
72611816
726201:18:40,170 --> 01:18:41,400
7263them and maybe even a couple of y'all
7264
72651817
726601:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,500
7267are in the audience right now but what
7268
72691818
727001:18:43,500 --> 01:18:44,880
7271I've always found with Worldcon that I
7272
72731819
727401:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,739
7275don't see what the other more media
7276
72771820
727801:18:46,739 --> 01:18:48,719
7279centric cons is that you know there's
7280
72811821
728201:18:48,719 --> 01:18:50,340
7283something magic about Worldcon word
7284
72851822
728601:18:50,340 --> 01:18:52,350
7287there's always some sort of opportunity
7288
72891823
729001:18:52,350 --> 01:18:54,929
7291that comes your way where you get to
7292
72931824
729401:18:54,929 --> 01:18:57,780
7295meet someone or be it an encounter that
7296
72971825
729801:18:57,780 --> 01:18:59,730
7299literally can change your life and
7300
73011826
730201:18:59,730 --> 01:19:01,679
7303sometimes you don't even recognize it at
7304
73051827
730601:19:01,679 --> 01:19:03,000
7307that moment when it's happening you
7308
73091828
731001:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,409
7311don't realize until maybe sometimes
7312
73131829
731401:19:04,409 --> 01:19:06,449
7315years later that Wow that happened and I
7316
73171830
731801:19:06,449 --> 01:19:08,340
7319didn't even know it but it these things
7320
73211831
732201:19:08,340 --> 01:19:09,870
7323always happen for you at a world Connor
7324
73251832
732601:19:09,870 --> 01:19:13,320
7327I've found for its there's no show like
7328
73291833
733001:19:13,320 --> 01:19:15,710
7331it you can make Steve Ditko
7332
73331834
733401:19:15,710 --> 01:19:18,890
7335or the new Steve Ditko and maybe he'll
7336
73371835
733801:19:18,890 --> 01:19:20,720
7339never come to another convention but he
7340
73411836
734201:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,790
7343might be here now who knows it's it's an
7344
73451837
734601:19:22,790 --> 01:19:24,530
7347amazing experience and it's it's where
7348
73491838
735001:19:24,530 --> 01:19:27,530
7351friendships are made and I hope to see
7352
73531839
735401:19:27,530 --> 01:19:29,350
7355as many of you out there as possible
7356
73571840
735801:19:29,350 --> 01:19:31,310
7359we're gonna wrap it up because they gave
7360
73611841
736201:19:31,310 --> 01:19:33,350
7363me this the raps sign a while ago so
7364
73651842
736601:19:33,350 --> 01:19:35,180
7367thank you again so this is the way this
7368
73691843
737001:19:35,180 --> 01:19:36,920
7371is gonna work we're gonna call recess
7372
73731844
737401:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,080
7375right now and we're gonna take about a
7376
73771845
737801:19:39,080 --> 01:19:40,790
737920-minute intermission and uh
7380
73811846
738201:19:40,790 --> 01:19:43,460
7383I hear there's stacks of books signed by
7384
73851847
738601:19:43,460 --> 01:19:47,180
7387this guy over there at the borderlands
7388
73891848
739001:19:47,180 --> 01:19:49,040
7391books tables I'm gonna go ahead and head
7392
73931849
739401:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,630
7395over there too because I brought a few
7396
73971850
739801:19:50,630 --> 01:19:51,890
7399prints of some of my Song of Ice and
7400
74011851
740201:19:51,890 --> 01:19:54,200
7403Fire work for you guys it's a little 11
7404
74051852
740601:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,240
7407by 14 s that I came up with and I'm
7408
74091853
741001:19:56,240 --> 01:19:57,680
7411gonna scribble on them for you if you
7412
74131854
741401:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,090
7415want some of the proceeds from those are
7416
74171855
741801:19:59,090 --> 01:20:01,340
7419gonna go to locus magazine so we're
7420
74211856
742201:20:01,340 --> 01:20:02,840
7423gonna take about 20 minutes break there
7424
74251857
742601:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,180
7427and then we're kind of come back here in
7428
74291858
743001:20:05,180 --> 01:20:07,070
7431some sort of orderly fashion I guess and
7432
74331859
743401:20:07,070 --> 01:20:08,870
7435start doing some Q&A with you guys you
7436
74371860
743801:20:08,870 --> 01:20:13,000
7439guys be all right with that yeah
7440
74411861
744201:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,150
7443so if that sounds good to you let's call
7444
74451862
744601:20:16,150 --> 01:20:17,980
7447recess for about 20 minutes and I'll see
7448
74491863
745001:20:17,980 --> 01:20:19,150
7451you over there at the borderlands books
7452
74531864
745401:20:19,150 --> 01:20:21,280
7455tables all right try to think of
7456
74571865
745801:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,640
7459questions that we haven't heard before
7460
74611866
746201:20:23,640 --> 01:20:28,060
7463all right the SF and SF podcast is
7464
74651867
746601:20:28,060 --> 01:20:30,490
7467sponsored by tachyon press the American
7468
74691868
747001:20:30,490 --> 01:20:32,830
7471bookbinders Museum and some FM
7472
74731869
747401:20:32,830 --> 01:20:34,240
7475listener-supported commercial free
7476
74771870
747801:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,550
7479internet radio with over 35 channels of
7480
74811871
748201:20:36,550 --> 01:20:38,230
7483really interesting music to pick from
7484
74851872
748601:20:38,230 --> 01:20:44,890
7487check it out at some FM comm alright
7488
74891873
749001:20:44,890 --> 01:20:46,090
7491kids that was fun
7492
74931874
749401:20:46,090 --> 01:20:47,560
7495actually over there signing all that
7496
74971875
749801:20:47,560 --> 01:20:48,760
7499stuff for you guys sorry that was such a
7500
75011876
750201:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,950
7503blitz but that was a lot of fun you got
7504
75051877
750601:20:50,950 --> 01:20:54,070
7507to chill so um oh there you are
7508
75091878
751001:20:54,070 --> 01:20:56,160
7511you all lurking over here in the shadows
7512
75131879
751401:20:56,160 --> 01:21:00,400
7515alright so how am I gonna do this you
7516
75171880
751801:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,170
7519wanna make the calls do we have a
7520
75211881
752201:21:02,170 --> 01:21:05,140
7523traveling microphone so oh so we just
7524
75251882
752601:21:05,140 --> 01:21:07,180
7527have one on one side okay so you are all
7528
75291883
753001:21:07,180 --> 01:21:09,460
7531lined up so I great takes the pressure
7532
75331884
753401:21:09,460 --> 01:21:12,520
7535off that makes it easy start just you
7536
75371885
753801:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,660
7539know batter up let's go yeah okay thank
7540
75411886
754201:21:16,660 --> 01:21:18,100
7543you so much George for writing these
7544
75451887
754601:21:18,100 --> 01:21:21,370
7547books and my question is so Oberon had
7548
75491888
755001:21:21,370 --> 01:21:23,980
7551four children with hilarya he had Elia
7552
75531889
755401:21:23,980 --> 01:21:27,430
7555Doria Oh Bella and then Larissa and my
7556
75571890
755801:21:27,430 --> 01:21:29,980
7559question was is Larissa his mom's name
7560
75611891
756201:21:29,980 --> 01:21:32,020
7563given that like he seems kind of like he
7564
75651892
756601:21:32,020 --> 01:21:34,300
7567was kind of recreating his family with
7568
75691893
757001:21:34,300 --> 01:21:36,730
7571the names of his children so you have
7572
75731894
757401:21:36,730 --> 01:21:38,950
7575like Elia for his sister Elia who died
7576
75771895
757801:21:38,950 --> 01:21:41,350
7579and you have Daria for his older brother
7580
75811896
758201:21:41,350 --> 01:21:43,870
7583Doron and you have Oh Bela for his own
7584
75851897
758601:21:43,870 --> 01:21:46,600
7587name so is Larissa his mom's name and if
7588
75891898
759001:21:46,600 --> 01:21:51,370
7591that's not what is her name
7592
75931899
759401:21:51,370 --> 01:21:53,440
7595I think you've given us a lot more
7596
75971900
759801:21:53,440 --> 01:22:03,310
7599thought than I ever did I uh I can tell
7600
76011901
760201:22:03,310 --> 01:22:07,980
7603you in a general sense about naming is
7604
76051902
760601:22:07,980 --> 01:22:13,930
7607is hard I have a I have a library even
7608
76091903
761001:22:13,930 --> 01:22:16,450
7611though I have no children I have a small
7612
76131904
761401:22:16,450 --> 01:22:18,660
7615library of what to name your baby books
7616
76171905
761801:22:18,660 --> 01:22:20,950
7619that I have accumulated over the years
7620
76211906
762201:22:20,950 --> 01:22:23,920
7623and I occasionally dip into those when I
7624
76251907
762601:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,780
7627need a name one thing that I did with
7628
76291908
763001:22:28,780 --> 01:22:31,210
7631with Game of Thrones and and Ice and
7632
76331909
763401:22:31,210 --> 01:22:32,680
7635Fire
7636
76371910
763801:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,930
7639that violated all the rules of writing
7640
76411911
764201:22:34,930 --> 01:22:36,400
7643and when you're a young writer and
7644
76451912
764601:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,350
7647you're going to writers conference and
7648
76491913
765001:22:38,350 --> 01:22:40,420
7651all that you have the old wise writers
7652
76531914
765401:22:40,420 --> 01:22:42,730
7655telling you rules and one of the rules
7656
76571915
765801:22:42,730 --> 01:22:46,330
7659they tell you is never a when writing a
7660
76611916
766201:22:46,330 --> 01:22:48,910
7663book or a short story never have two
7664
76651917
766601:22:48,910 --> 01:22:51,250
7667characters who name begins with the last
7668
76691918
767001:22:51,250 --> 01:22:53,680
7671letter with the same letter because the
7672
76731919
767401:22:53,680 --> 01:22:58,780
7675reader will confuse you know Alice and
7676
76771920
767801:22:58,780 --> 01:23:01,180
7679Amy don't have an allison and amy in the
7680
76811921
768201:23:01,180 --> 01:23:03,250
7683same book or the reader will get them
7684
76851922
768601:23:03,250 --> 01:23:06,730
7687confused evidently some of these writers
7688
76891923
769001:23:06,730 --> 01:23:11,800
7691have very dim readers and i followed
7692
76931924
769401:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,170
7695that rule for many many years during my
7696
76971925
769801:23:14,170 --> 01:23:16,900
7699career but when i began i said fire i
7700
77011926
770201:23:16,900 --> 01:23:18,840
7703thought about it and said you know i
7704
77051927
770601:23:18,840 --> 01:23:23,320
7707want to have more than 26 characters so
7708
77091928
771001:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,800
7711I'm kind of stuck there and also I
7712
77131929
771401:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,040
7715noticed I borrow a lot from history I
7716
77171930
771801:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,260
7719noticed reading history that in English
7720
77211931
772201:23:32,260 --> 01:23:33,060
7723history
7724
77251932
772601:23:33,060 --> 01:23:37,390
7727everybody has named Henry and Edward and
7728
77291933
773001:23:37,390 --> 01:23:40,390
7731if the English can have you know five
7732
77331934
773401:23:40,390 --> 01:23:43,000
7735hundred years of Henry's and manage to
7736
77371935
773801:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,920
7739keep them straight I can have all the
7740
77411936
774201:23:44,920 --> 01:23:48,520
7743Brandon's I wanted so I'm gonna follow
7744
77451937
774601:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,100
7747real-life things and I'll just depend on
7748
77491938
775001:23:51,100 --> 01:23:54,300
7751my readers being smart enough to keep up
7752
77531939
775401:23:54,300 --> 01:23:57,220
7755but I some of the names do have I'm not
7756
77571940
775801:23:57,220 --> 01:23:58,810
7759gonna say all of them but some names
7760
77611941
776201:23:58,810 --> 01:24:00,910
7763actually do have meanings where I I dip
7764
77651942
776601:24:00,910 --> 01:24:02,140
7767into the what
7768
77691943
777001:24:02,140 --> 01:24:03,580
7771to name your baby book so they say oh
7772
77731944
777401:24:03,580 --> 01:24:06,760
7775look you know this this name means
7776
77771945
777801:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,800
7779destined for a tragic end yeah that
7780
77811946
778201:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,300
7783would be a good name for my character oh
7784
77851947
778601:24:12,300 --> 01:24:16,840
7787I'll put that in there that's all he had
7788
77891948
779001:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,450
7791to say about naming yes Nick hi George
7792
77931949
779401:24:19,450 --> 01:24:21,910
7795Matthew tower it's so nice to connect
7796
77971950
779801:24:21,910 --> 01:24:24,460
7799with you and with the tragic passing of
7800
78011951
780201:24:24,460 --> 01:24:26,650
7803Roy dotrice there's obviously a huge
7804
78051952
780601:24:26,650 --> 01:24:28,930
7807vacuum for the winds of winter audiobook
7808
78091953
781001:24:28,930 --> 01:24:30,970
7811so I wanted to ask would you consider
7812
78131954
781401:24:30,970 --> 01:24:34,390
7815doing a dramatized full cast audiobook
7816
78171955
781801:24:34,390 --> 01:24:36,370
7819if you've ever listened to the Philip
7820
78211956
782201:24:36,370 --> 01:24:38,230
7823Pullman His Dark Materials Auto with
7824
78251957
782601:24:38,230 --> 01:24:39,850
7827audiobooks they're absolutely phenomenal
7828
78291958
783001:24:39,850 --> 01:24:42,220
7831the story circle in Britain is the
7832
78331959
783401:24:42,220 --> 01:24:43,990
7835company that did that and I actually
7836
78371960
783801:24:43,990 --> 01:24:45,910
7839work with him on my audiobook so I
7840
78411961
784201:24:45,910 --> 01:24:47,770
7843wanted to recommend them if you'd
7844
78451962
784601:24:47,770 --> 01:24:54,160
7847consider a full cast dramatized well I
7848
78491963
785001:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,980
7851had some interesting enough I had some
7852
78531964
785401:24:56,980 --> 01:24:59,200
7855meetings in New York when I was there a
7856
78571965
785801:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,890
7859few weeks ago talking about you know
7860
78611966
786201:25:02,890 --> 01:25:04,560
7863some of these new forms of audiobooks
7864
78651967
786601:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,910
7867audio books that are more actually like
7868
78691968
787001:25:06,910 --> 01:25:10,090
7871radio plays or you know wit where they
7872
78731969
787401:25:10,090 --> 01:25:12,700
7875have multiple voices playing it and they
7876
78771970
787801:25:12,700 --> 01:25:14,050
7879have special effects and things like
7880
78811971
788201:25:14,050 --> 01:25:16,750
7883that and we we have been looking at some
7884
78851972
788601:25:16,750 --> 01:25:20,470
7887of that probably not for Ice and Fire
7888
78891973
789001:25:20,470 --> 01:25:22,390
7891though I mean at least I don't control
7892
78931974
789401:25:22,390 --> 01:25:25,990
7895that you know another another factor of
7896
78971975
789801:25:25,990 --> 01:25:27,520
7899course that when you're dealing with
7900
79011976
790201:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,600
7903television or film is if a studio wants
7904
79051977
790601:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,740
7907to buy the rights to one of your books
7908
79091978
791001:25:35,740 --> 01:25:37,930
7911you wind up selling them all the
7912
79131979
791401:25:37,930 --> 01:25:40,390
7915secondary and subsidiary rights too so
7916
79171980
791801:25:40,390 --> 01:25:42,880
7919therefore you you you're giving them up
7920
79211981
792201:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,430
7923and it's in a case of license fire Game
7924
79251982
792601:25:45,430 --> 01:25:47,530
7927of Thrones it's HBO who controls many of
7928
79291983
793001:25:47,530 --> 01:25:49,750
7931these rights and bases assertions as to
7932
79331984
793401:25:49,750 --> 01:25:51,850
7935what to develop or not develop
7936
79371985
793801:25:51,850 --> 01:25:53,650
7939luckily enough I was in a strange
7940
79411986
794201:25:53,650 --> 01:25:56,410
7943position when I sold that because I the
7944
79451987
794601:25:56,410 --> 01:25:58,360
7947books had been very very popular even
7948
79491988
795001:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,030
7951before HBO came along so I had already
7952
79531989
795401:26:01,030 --> 01:26:03,310
7955had a number of what we call subsidiary
7956
79571990
795801:26:03,310 --> 01:26:04,930
7959rights deal or sub rights deals
7960
79611991
796201:26:04,930 --> 01:26:09,070
7963I had a miniature line of miniatures
7964
79651992
796601:26:09,070 --> 01:26:10,840
7967coming out I had
7968
79691993
797001:26:10,840 --> 01:26:14,120
7971busts resin bus coming out I had a guy
7972
79731994
797401:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,210
7975who made coins and that almost killed
7976
79771995
797801:26:17,210 --> 01:26:20,780
7979the TV deal because HBO was saying well
7980
79811996
798201:26:20,780 --> 01:26:22,850
7983we get all subsidiary right so I can't
7984
79851997
798601:26:22,850 --> 01:26:24,530
7987give you all sub senator right side I've
7988
79891998
799001:26:24,530 --> 01:26:26,870
7991already sold seven I have seven deals
7992
79931999
799401:26:26,870 --> 01:26:28,970
7995already under contract some of them like
7996
79972000
799801:26:28,970 --> 01:26:31,520
7999five years old and they didn't
8000
80012001
800201:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,460
8003understand they like we always get all
8004
80052002
800601:26:34,460 --> 01:26:36,800
8007subsidiary rights what do you mean you
8008
80092003
801001:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,510
8011can't give it I can't give it to you
8012
80132004
801401:26:38,510 --> 01:26:40,010
8015even if I wanted to give it to you with
8016
80172005
801801:26:40,010 --> 01:26:41,570
8019it well would you take another million
8020
80212006
802201:26:41,570 --> 01:26:44,530
8023dollars no I can't
8024
80252007
802601:26:44,530 --> 01:26:47,840
8027I've already sold it I sold the coin
8028
80292008
803001:26:47,840 --> 01:26:49,910
8031right to this guy who makes coins in the
8032
80332009
803401:26:49,910 --> 01:26:53,270
8035basement from his house in Sheboygan and
8036
80372010
803801:26:53,270 --> 01:26:55,340
8039he pays me in coins don't know how much
8040
80412011
804201:26:55,340 --> 01:26:57,470
8043money I have a contract with him so you
8044
80452012
804601:26:57,470 --> 01:27:01,660
8047can but we finally arrived at a deal yes
8048
80492013
805001:27:01,660 --> 01:27:03,980
8051hi earlier you're talking about names
8052
80532014
805401:27:03,980 --> 01:27:05,270
8055and mentioned you had notes field I was
8056
80572015
805801:27:05,270 --> 01:27:07,040
8059just wondering if you did have a child
8060
80612016
806201:27:07,040 --> 01:27:11,150
8063what would you name him or her if I did
8064
80652017
806601:27:11,150 --> 01:27:13,640
8067have a child what would I name him or
8068
80692018
807001:27:13,640 --> 01:27:18,500
8071her well I don't know probably not
8072
80732019
807401:27:18,500 --> 01:27:27,830
8075daenerys it's too hard to spell I hardly
8076
80772020
807801:27:27,830 --> 01:27:29,900
8079enough people do name their children
8080
80812021
808201:27:29,900 --> 01:27:32,030
8083after my characters now and then they
8084
80852022
808601:27:32,030 --> 01:27:34,310
8087send me two baby pictures and they email
8088
80892023
809001:27:34,310 --> 01:27:36,950
8091so there there is an entire generation
8092
80932024
809401:27:36,950 --> 01:27:40,010
8095of Daenerys Azari a--'s and the
8096
80972025
809801:27:40,010 --> 01:27:45,710
8099occasional Cersei coming up I think
8100
81012026
810201:27:45,710 --> 01:27:47,540
8103there's got to be a lot of kindergarten
8104
81052027
810601:27:47,540 --> 01:27:49,430
8107teachers are gonna be cursing my name
8108
81092028
811001:27:49,430 --> 01:27:52,550
8111when these Daenerys is with the AE and
8112
81132029
811401:27:52,550 --> 01:27:54,890
8115the Y's will hit kindergarten at the
8116
81172030
811801:27:54,890 --> 01:27:57,470
8119same time and I don't know what that
8120
81212031
812201:27:57,470 --> 01:28:00,410
8123little girl named Cersei is gonna what
8124
81252032
812601:28:00,410 --> 01:28:02,030
8127the mother is gonna say when she says
8128
81292033
813001:28:02,030 --> 01:28:04,790
8131mommy who's this Cersei that I named
8132
81332034
813401:28:04,790 --> 01:28:10,550
8135after but there you go okay so you
8136
81372035
813801:28:10,550 --> 01:28:14,360
8139mentioned a while ago that some of your
8140
81412036
814201:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,440
8143characters who created with some irony
8144
81452037
814601:28:17,440 --> 01:28:19,700
8147so I was wondering what was your
8148
81492038
815001:28:19,700 --> 01:28:21,410
8151inspiration behind the character of
8152
81532039
815401:28:21,410 --> 01:28:22,260
8155Davos II
8156
81572040
815801:28:22,260 --> 01:28:25,380
8159because he seems to have a lot of
8160
81612041
816201:28:25,380 --> 01:28:28,560
8163qualities of your typical hero like he's
8164
81652042
816601:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,050
8167you know strong morally just and
8168
81692043
817001:28:31,050 --> 01:28:34,350
8171righteous but with a definite difference
8172
81732044
817401:28:34,350 --> 01:28:36,480
8175in the fact that he's sort of at the end
8176
81772045
817801:28:36,480 --> 01:28:38,850
8179of his life but his adventure is sort of
8180
81812046
818201:28:38,850 --> 01:28:44,280
8183beginning well yeah you know some people
8184
81852047
818601:28:44,280 --> 01:28:50,970
8187might say the same is true of me I don't
8188
81892048
819001:28:50,970 --> 01:28:52,350
8191know where the particular inspiration
8192
81932049
819401:28:52,350 --> 01:28:55,280
8195came from Davos you know I wanted to I
8196
81972050
819801:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,560
8199needed a point of view into the Stannis
8200
82012051
820201:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,100
8203camp in the war of the five kings I
8204
82052052
820601:29:02,100 --> 01:29:04,350
8207needed a point of view there I started
8208
82092053
821001:29:04,350 --> 01:29:06,090
8211out with his maester of course but then
8212
82132054
821401:29:06,090 --> 01:29:09,210
8215he dies in the in a prologue so he
8216
82172055
821801:29:09,210 --> 01:29:11,790
8219couldn't be a long long caring character
8220
82212056
822201:29:11,790 --> 01:29:13,620
8223and Davos seemed an interesting way I
8224
82252057
822601:29:13,620 --> 01:29:15,420
8227didn't want to make Stannis himself a
8228
82292058
823001:29:15,420 --> 01:29:16,770
8231viewpoint character
8232
82332059
823401:29:16,770 --> 01:29:19,620
8235I wanted something external to that but
8236
82372060
823801:29:19,620 --> 01:29:23,090
8239Stannis is a very complex character and
8240
82412061
824201:29:23,090 --> 01:29:26,130
8243a great character I didn't want to give
8244
82452062
824601:29:26,130 --> 01:29:28,110
8247you his thought processes just his words
8248
82492063
825001:29:28,110 --> 01:29:31,890
8251and actions hi there I love your
8252
82532064
825401:29:31,890 --> 01:29:34,200
8255histories I'm really excited for the
8256
82572065
825801:29:34,200 --> 01:29:35,880
8259illustrated fire and blood coming out
8260
82612066
826201:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,040
8263I'm so had a history base question I was
8264
82652067
826601:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,290
8267curious if bloodraven took dark sister
8268
82692068
827001:29:40,290 --> 01:29:45,300
8271with him to the law did bloodraven take
8272
82732069
827401:29:45,300 --> 01:29:47,670
8275dark sister with him to the wall his
8276
82772070
827801:29:47,670 --> 01:29:54,960
8279sword dark sister yes he did yes awesome
8280
82812071
828201:29:54,960 --> 01:30:01,839
8283thank you so much
8284
82852072
828601:30:01,839 --> 01:30:04,939
8287thank you both so much so a couple years
8288
82892073
829001:30:04,939 --> 01:30:06,800
8291ago you John and George you did a
8292
82932074
829401:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,449
8295similar type of event and Baltimore and
8296
82972075
829801:30:08,449 --> 01:30:09,919
8299then they wrote up about they wrote up
8300
83012076
830201:30:09,919 --> 01:30:11,629
8303some of the Q&A in the newspaper and
8304
83052077
830601:30:11,629 --> 01:30:14,300
8307someone asked George you about fan
8308
83092078
831001:30:14,300 --> 01:30:16,069
8311fiction and at that time you were quoted
8312
83132079
831401:30:16,069 --> 01:30:18,559
8315as saying if you would like to arrive in
8316
83172080
831801:30:18,559 --> 01:30:20,479
8319front of my house with a large dump
8320
83212081
832201:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,819
8323truck full of money I may consider
8324
83252082
832601:30:22,819 --> 01:30:24,679
8327allowing you to do some fan fiction
8328
83292083
833001:30:24,679 --> 01:30:29,719
8331so my question one what kind of dump
8332
83332084
833401:30:29,719 --> 01:30:34,280
8335truck to Manu a currency and
8336
83372085
833801:30:34,280 --> 01:30:45,560
8339denomination and three what address yeah
8340
83412086
834201:30:45,560 --> 01:30:49,739
8343obviously a purple Tesla dump truck Oh
8344
83452087
834601:30:49,739 --> 01:30:54,440
8347Elon doesn't make one of those yet damn
8348
83492088
835001:30:54,440 --> 01:30:57,660
8351no will we 1 large denominations of
8352
83532089
835401:30:57,660 --> 01:31:00,060
8355course but the address I don't know
8356
83572090
835801:31:00,060 --> 01:31:01,500
8359you'll have to when you have the other
8360
83612091
836201:31:01,500 --> 01:31:03,510
8363two bright red us about that will make
8364
83652092
836601:31:03,510 --> 01:31:13,230
8367it purple Tesla thank you thank you yeah
8368
83692093
837001:31:13,230 --> 01:31:15,000
8371so this is pretty cool thanks for doing
8372
83732094
837401:31:15,000 --> 01:31:15,900
8375this
8376
83772095
837801:31:15,900 --> 01:31:18,300
8379my question was I lived in Belfast for a
8380
83812096
838201:31:18,300 --> 01:31:19,830
8383year and I found it really inspirational
8384
83852097
838601:31:19,830 --> 01:31:21,929
8387you know sitting in the CS Lewis reading
8388
83892098
839001:31:21,929 --> 01:31:24,449
8391room in Queens and I just wanted to kind
8392
83932099
839401:31:24,449 --> 01:31:26,130
8395of hear your take on being in Belfast
8396
83972100
839801:31:26,130 --> 01:31:27,840
8399with the filming and if it inspired you
8400
84012101
840201:31:27,840 --> 01:31:32,000
8403in any way well we we love Belfast I
8404
84052102
840601:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,320
8407don't know if the new show will film
8408
84092103
841001:31:34,320 --> 01:31:41,210
8411there but it's certainly a possibility
8412
84132104
841401:31:41,210 --> 01:31:43,739
8415you know Belfast of course is in
8416
84172105
841801:31:43,739 --> 01:31:46,080
8419Northern Ireland and those of you who
8420
84212106
842201:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,120
8423follow current events in history know
8424
84252107
842601:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,400
8427the history of the troubles in Northern
8428
84292108
843001:31:50,400 --> 01:31:59,010
8431Ireland Game of Thrones we haven't had
8432
84332109
843401:31:59,010 --> 01:32:00,660
8435any any troubles since we've been
8436
84372110
843801:32:00,660 --> 01:32:03,719
8439shooting there it was a concern of ours
8440
84412111
844201:32:03,719 --> 01:32:06,420
8443when we decided to move there but we did
8444
84452112
844601:32:06,420 --> 01:32:09,330
8447it and we've brought I think we bring
8448
84492113
845001:32:09,330 --> 01:32:11,040
8451something like 40 million dollars a year
8452
84532114
845401:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,380
8455into the economy of Belfast in Northern
8456
84572115
845801:32:13,380 --> 01:32:15,900
8459Ireland and we provide lots and lots of
8460
84612116
846201:32:15,900 --> 01:32:18,420
8463good jobs there for both Catholics and
8464
84652117
846601:32:18,420 --> 01:32:21,239
8467Protestants who work side-by-side on
8468
84692118
847001:32:21,239 --> 01:32:24,120
8471Game of Thrones and its productions and
8472
84732119
847401:32:24,120 --> 01:32:30,900
8475and I think maybe in some very little
8476
84772120
847801:32:30,900 --> 01:32:34,080
8479little way it's helped the healing
8480
84812121
848201:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,120
8483process there because I think people
8484
84852122
848601:32:36,120 --> 01:32:39,510
8487really want good lives they want good
8488
84892123
849001:32:39,510 --> 01:32:41,670
8491jobs they want to be able to pay their
8492
84932124
849401:32:41,670 --> 01:32:45,600
8495bills and have a house and raise their
8496
84972125
849801:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,760
8499kids and a safe and healthy environment
8500
85012126
850201:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,000
8503and provide maybe the chance of a good
8504
85052127
850601:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,469
8507career and a good life for their
8508
85092128
851001:32:52,469 --> 01:32:54,750
8511children and if you give them that then
8512
85132129
851401:32:54,750 --> 01:32:56,760
8515they're much less inclined to blow each
8516
85172130
851801:32:56,760 --> 01:32:57,580
8519other up
8520
85212131
852201:32:57,580 --> 01:33:00,850
8523and we kept each other and so maybe in
8524
85252132
852601:33:00,850 --> 01:33:04,450
8527some tiny little way we've we've helped
8528
85292133
853001:33:04,450 --> 01:33:07,060
8531and I hope we can continue to do help in
8532
85332134
853401:33:07,060 --> 01:33:13,710
8535in northern rod I will also say that uh
8536
85372135
853801:33:13,710 --> 01:33:16,870
8539the politicians politicians get a lot of
8540
85412136
854201:33:16,870 --> 01:33:20,170
8543 everybody hates politicians you
8544
85452137
854601:33:20,170 --> 01:33:21,760
8547know no matter what country you live in
8548
85492138
855001:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,720
8551but if you have good politicians who are
8552
85532139
855401:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,030
8555really concerned with helping their
8556
85572140
855801:33:28,030 --> 01:33:30,730
8559country or their city or their state
8560
85612141
856201:33:30,730 --> 01:33:32,890
8563they can make a big difference and that
8564
85652142
856601:33:32,890 --> 01:33:35,470
8567is what happened that to wind us up in
8568
85692143
857001:33:35,470 --> 01:33:37,900
8571Belfast we were looking at locations all
8572
85732144
857401:33:37,900 --> 01:33:39,040
8575over the world when you're looking at
8576
85772145
857801:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,170
8579Scotland we're looking at Spain of
8580
85812146
858201:33:41,170 --> 01:33:42,550
8583course in England we weren't looking
8584
85852147
858601:33:42,550 --> 01:33:44,080
8587much in America because we don't have a
8588
85892148
859001:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,960
8591lot of castles over here but uh we were
8592
85932149
859401:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,210
8595looking at these other places and in
8596
85972150
859801:33:49,210 --> 01:33:52,380
8599Belfast the leaders of the of the
8600
86012151
860201:33:52,380 --> 01:33:55,050
8603Protestant and the Catholic groups
8604
86052152
860601:33:55,050 --> 01:33:58,540
8607weren't McGuiness and Peter Robinson got
8608
86092153
861001:33:58,540 --> 01:34:01,090
8611together and they put together a very
8612
86132154
861401:34:01,090 --> 01:34:03,070
8615attractive package for HBO they came
8616
86172155
861801:34:03,070 --> 01:34:07,900
8619over together and lobbied HBO in in LA
8620
86212156
862201:34:07,900 --> 01:34:10,150
8623about why Belfast would be a good good
8624
86252157
862601:34:10,150 --> 01:34:13,000
8627site and we got the paint hole we're on
8628
86292158
863001:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,980
8631the harland and wolff ship guards where
8632
86332159
863401:34:14,980 --> 01:34:16,780
8635they used to paint ships like the
8636
86372160
863801:34:16,780 --> 01:34:18,820
8639Titanic the largest sound stage in
8640
86412161
864201:34:18,820 --> 01:34:20,500
8643Europe we get it for like a dollar a
8644
86452162
864601:34:20,500 --> 01:34:22,960
8647year and they also gave us a million
8648
86492163
865001:34:22,960 --> 01:34:27,220
8651dollars of money our budget is very
8652
86532164
865401:34:27,220 --> 01:34:30,280
8655tight so you know that was very
8656
86572165
865801:34:30,280 --> 01:34:31,960
8659controversial at the time people are
8660
86612166
866201:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,150
8663saying Belfast is poor people don't have
8664
86652167
866601:34:34,150 --> 01:34:36,670
8667jobs people don't have this they don't
8668
86692168
867001:34:36,670 --> 01:34:37,960
8671have everything and you're taking a
8672
86732169
867401:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,580
8675million dollars texting another and
8676
86772170
867801:34:39,580 --> 01:34:42,010
8679you're giving it to this Hollywood fat
8680
86812171
868201:34:42,010 --> 01:34:43,990
8683cats that kind of it's it's the same
8684
86852172
868601:34:43,990 --> 01:34:45,340
8687thing that happens over and over again
8688
86892173
869001:34:45,340 --> 01:34:46,930
8691in America when there are tax credits
8692
86932174
869401:34:46,930 --> 01:34:49,600
8695well yes they did do that they gave us a
8696
86972175
869801:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,850
8699million dollars and what did we do we
8700
87012176
870201:34:51,850 --> 01:34:54,280
8703bring in 40 million dollars a year into
8704
87052177
870601:34:54,280 --> 01:34:55,930
8707their economy that's what you call a
8708
87092178
871001:34:55,930 --> 01:34:58,420
8711smart investment if I could invest every
8712
87132179
871401:34:58,420 --> 01:35:01,870
8715million dollars and get 40 times the
8716
87172180
871801:35:01,870 --> 01:35:04,570
8719return on an annual basis I would take
8720
87212181
872201:35:04,570 --> 01:35:06,670
8723that investment and that's smart
8724
87252182
872601:35:06,670 --> 01:35:08,650
8727politicians who did something really
8728
87292183
873001:35:08,650 --> 01:35:11,190
8731great for the people of their city and
8732
87332184
873401:35:11,190 --> 01:35:19,469
8735Northern Ireland in general hello let me
8736
87372185
873801:35:19,469 --> 01:35:21,060
8739first say that I was introduced to Song
8740
87412186
874201:35:21,060 --> 01:35:23,070
8743of Ice and Fire in 2001 on the
8744
87452187
874601:35:23,070 --> 01:35:25,080
8747recommendation of a friend the entirety
8748
87492188
875001:35:25,080 --> 01:35:26,670
8751of the recommendation was and this is an
8752
87532189
875401:35:26,670 --> 01:35:29,550
8755author who doesn't pull his punches the
8756
87572190
875801:35:29,550 --> 01:35:31,410
8759books have delivered on that and then I
8760
87612191
876201:35:31,410 --> 01:35:33,360
8763was introduced to the wildcards universe
8764
87652192
876601:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,670
8767by a different friend in 2003 I have a
8768
87692193
877001:35:35,670 --> 01:35:36,989
8771two-part question about your writing
8772
87732194
877401:35:36,989 --> 01:35:39,540
8775process and they're related um first
8776
87772195
877801:35:39,540 --> 01:35:41,640
8779when you're starting work on a concept
8780
87812196
878201:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,739
8783in a speculative fiction do you find
8784
87852197
878601:35:43,739 --> 01:35:45,449
8787yourself spending more time on world
8788
87892198
879001:35:45,449 --> 01:35:48,510
8791building on the plot or on the
8792
87932199
879401:35:48,510 --> 01:35:50,160
8795characters who live in that world and
8796
87972200
879801:35:50,160 --> 01:35:53,070
8799are experiencing your story and for the
8800
88012201
880201:35:53,070 --> 01:35:54,960
8803second part of this question I think you
8804
88052202
880601:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,699
8807may have a somewhat unique experience on
8808
88092203
881001:35:56,699 --> 01:36:01,430
8811that how does this balance shift as your
8812
88132204
881401:36:01,430 --> 01:36:03,540
8815perception of the potential of an idea
8816
88172205
881801:36:03,540 --> 01:36:05,010
8819moves from oh this is good for a short
8820
88212206
882201:36:05,010 --> 01:36:06,719
8823story to oh this would make a meaty
8824
88252207
882601:36:06,719 --> 01:36:08,580
8827novel - this could be a long-running
8828
88292208
883001:36:08,580 --> 01:36:11,219
8831series - god forbid this could be a
8832
88332209
883401:36:11,219 --> 01:36:18,050
8835multinational multimedia juggernaut um
8836
88372210
883801:36:18,050 --> 01:36:21,150
8839you know I'm terrible at knowing the
8840
88412211
884201:36:21,150 --> 01:36:23,730
8843second part of that question when I
8844
88452212
884601:36:23,730 --> 01:36:25,980
8847begin writing Game of Thrones I didn't
8848
88492213
885001:36:25,980 --> 01:36:27,270
8851know what it was that maybe this is a
8852
88532214
885401:36:27,270 --> 01:36:29,460
8855novella I didn't think was a short story
8856
88572215
885801:36:29,460 --> 01:36:31,590
8859I knew that and then as I got further
8860
88612216
886201:36:31,590 --> 01:36:33,300
8863and further writing in it and well know
8864
88652217
886601:36:33,300 --> 01:36:35,190
8867this has got to be a novel I got a lot
8868
88692218
887001:36:35,190 --> 01:36:37,260
8871here yeah maybe this is gonna be a
8872
88732219
887401:36:37,260 --> 01:36:39,030
8875trilogy and in fact I sold it as a
8876
88772220
887801:36:39,030 --> 01:36:41,580
8879trilogy initially my first contract with
8880
88812221
888201:36:41,580 --> 01:36:45,060
8883with Bantam was for three books Game of
8884
88852222
888601:36:45,060 --> 01:36:52,310
8887Thrones Dance with Dragons or no yeah I
8888
88892223
889001:36:52,310 --> 01:36:54,330
8891don't forgetting my original three
8892
88932224
889401:36:54,330 --> 01:37:00,660
8895titles but it was three books and
8896
88972225
889801:37:00,660 --> 01:37:02,310
8899obviously even before I finished the
8900
89012226
890201:37:02,310 --> 01:37:04,520
8903first one they had become four books and
8904
89052227
890601:37:04,520 --> 01:37:08,239
8907then it it got even bigger from there
8908
89092228
891001:37:08,239 --> 01:37:13,500
8911but I have you know numerous stories
8912
89132229
891401:37:13,500 --> 01:37:15,630
8915that I began and they became a novella
8916
89172230
891801:37:15,630 --> 01:37:17,040
8919when I thought it I thought there would
8920
89212231
892201:37:17,040 --> 01:37:19,620
8923be a short story for me it all begins
8924
89252232
892601:37:19,620 --> 01:37:21,360
8927with the characters characters and
8928
89292233
893001:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,820
8931scenes moments you know they're Game of
8932
89332234
893401:37:23,820 --> 01:37:24,630
8935Thrones begin
8936
89372235
893801:37:24,630 --> 01:37:27,000
8939when I had this vision of the first
8940
89412236
894201:37:27,000 --> 01:37:28,620
8943brand chapter where they find the dire
8944
89452237
894601:37:28,620 --> 01:37:32,010
8947wolf pups in the snow after they they go
8948
89492238
895001:37:32,010 --> 01:37:33,929
8951to see a man executed and that came to
8952
89532239
895401:37:33,929 --> 01:37:35,580
8955me out of nowhere it came it came from
8956
89572240
895801:37:35,580 --> 01:37:37,650
8959out of the ether suddenly I was writing
8960
89612241
896201:37:37,650 --> 01:37:39,360
8963an entirely different novel and suddenly
8964
89652242
896601:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,060
8967that scene was there and as I wrote it
8968
89692243
897001:37:42,060 --> 01:37:44,489
8971the characters came alive and I found
8972
89732244
897401:37:44,489 --> 01:37:49,020
8975names for them and and we were and then
8976
89772245
897801:37:49,020 --> 01:37:50,520
8979I wrote that first chapter and then I
8980
89812246
898201:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,500
8983wrote a second chapter and you know one
8984
89852247
898601:37:52,500 --> 01:37:55,590
8987thing follow or another I follow the
8988
89892248
899001:37:55,590 --> 01:37:57,900
8991characters where they lead me and that's
8992
89932249
899401:37:57,900 --> 01:38:00,630
8995one reason my books take so long
8996
89972250
899801:38:00,630 --> 01:38:02,639
8999mystic my characters are treacherous
9000
90012251
900201:38:02,639 --> 01:38:04,949
9003sons of bitches and sometimes they they
9004
90052252
900601:38:04,949 --> 01:38:08,159
9007leave me down dead alleys and and they
9008
90092253
901001:38:08,159 --> 01:38:10,260
9011leave me into swamps when I say I'm
9012
90132254
901401:38:10,260 --> 01:38:12,480
9015drowning here I you son of a bitch
9016
90172255
901801:38:12,480 --> 01:38:14,310
9019character why did you lead me here and
9020
90212256
902201:38:14,310 --> 01:38:16,530
9023then I have to go back and find a you
9024
90252257
902601:38:16,530 --> 01:38:18,750
9027know a road or something like that that
9028
90292258
903001:38:18,750 --> 01:38:21,030
9031makes more sense and I rewrite and I
9032
90332259
903401:38:21,030 --> 01:38:24,860
9035trashed chapters that I rethink things I
9036
90372260
903801:38:24,860 --> 01:38:26,880
9039like to say there are two types of
9040
90412261
904201:38:26,880 --> 01:38:28,080
9043writers the gardener's and the
9044
90452262
904601:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,239
9047architects and the architect plans
9048
90492263
905001:38:30,239 --> 01:38:32,280
9051everything ahead of time and you know
9052
90532264
905401:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,139
9055like an art to head drafting a house and
9056
90572265
905801:38:34,139 --> 01:38:35,760
9059before they even drive a nail they know
9060
90612266
906201:38:35,760 --> 01:38:37,590
9063how many rooms the house is gonna have
9064
90652267
906601:38:37,590 --> 01:38:39,239
9067and what the roof is going to be made of
9068
90692268
907001:38:39,239 --> 01:38:41,880
9071and how it's gonna be heated and how
9072
90732269
907401:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,150
9075many bathrooms it has etcetera and only
9076
90772270
907801:38:45,150 --> 01:38:47,370
9079when everything is decided did I buy
9080
90812271
908201:38:47,370 --> 01:38:50,219
9083some wood and drive that voice mail the
9084
90852272
908601:38:50,219 --> 01:38:52,020
9087gardener just digs a hole and plants a
9088
90892273
909001:38:52,020 --> 01:38:53,760
9091seed and see what comes up and I'm a
9092
90932274
909401:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,370
9095gardener definitely thank you it's a
9096
90972275
909801:38:56,370 --> 01:38:58,110
9099privilege to hear from get a peek inside
9100
91012276
910201:38:58,110 --> 01:39:01,320
9103your heads then thanks for all the
9104
91052277
910601:39:01,320 --> 01:39:02,550
9107inspiration George I really appreciate
9108
91092278
911001:39:02,550 --> 01:39:02,820
9111it
9112
91132279
911401:39:02,820 --> 01:39:04,380
9115I've one of those crazy parents that
9116
91172280
911801:39:04,380 --> 01:39:09,330
9119named their daughter the hound so
9120
91212281
912201:39:09,330 --> 01:39:09,610
9123[Applause]
9124
91252282
912601:39:09,610 --> 01:39:10,750
9127[Music]
9128
91292283
913001:39:10,750 --> 01:39:13,640
9131so appreciate that one of my favorite
9132
91332284
913401:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,890
9135parts of the just experience in the
9136
91372285
913801:39:15,890 --> 01:39:18,470
9139books was what I called the part which
9140
91412286
914201:39:18,470 --> 01:39:20,510
9143was what I used to call the red wedding
9144
91452287
914601:39:20,510 --> 01:39:22,010
9147before it was the red wedding because
9148
91492288
915001:39:22,010 --> 01:39:23,510
9151I'd have to tell people breathe these
9152
91532289
915401:39:23,510 --> 01:39:25,250
9155books and then tell me when you get to
9156
91572290
915801:39:25,250 --> 01:39:28,070
9159the part and then I would get that call
9160
91612291
916201:39:28,070 --> 01:39:30,770
9163what's your do you have any really good
9164
91652292
916601:39:30,770 --> 01:39:32,810
9167store what was your best reaction to
9168
91692293
917001:39:32,810 --> 01:39:34,880
9171that part of the novel I can only
9172
91732294
917401:39:34,880 --> 01:39:40,340
9175imagine someone came in and beat you no
9176
91772295
917801:39:40,340 --> 01:39:44,780
9179no one beat me I did get of course you
9180
91812296
918201:39:44,780 --> 01:39:47,030
9183have to remember that the the the book
9184
91852297
918601:39:47,030 --> 01:39:48,770
9187came out like ten years before the TV
9188
91892298
919001:39:48,770 --> 01:39:52,190
9191show so I already knew reaction when we
9192
91932299
919401:39:52,190 --> 01:39:54,680
9195got to it on the TV show and all these
9196
91972300
919801:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,630
9199people videotaping their friends as they
9200
92012301
920201:39:56,630 --> 01:39:58,550
9203watched it Ben and seeing the reaction
9204
92052302
920601:39:58,550 --> 01:40:01,010
9207was no surprise with me I got the emails
9208
92092303
921001:40:01,010 --> 01:40:05,540
9211a decade earlier and some of them said
9212
92132304
921401:40:05,540 --> 01:40:08,030
9215things like oh I was so mad I threw the
9216
92172305
921801:40:08,030 --> 01:40:09,950
9219book across the room and smashed it up
9220
92212306
922201:40:09,950 --> 01:40:11,900
9223and all that and then a week later I had
9224
92252307
922601:40:11,900 --> 01:40:13,550
9227to go out and buy another copy I like
9228
92292308
923001:40:13,550 --> 01:40:20,200
9231that that was my royalties that was cool
9232
92332309
923401:40:20,200 --> 01:40:22,490
9235maybe the most amazing thing about the
9236
92372310
923801:40:22,490 --> 01:40:24,500
9239whole thing was was the reaction to the
9240
92412311
924201:40:24,500 --> 01:40:27,080
9243TV show seeing where people actually
9244
92452312
924601:40:27,080 --> 01:40:29,680
9247videotaped they knew their friends and
9248
92492313
925001:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,060
9251relatives and loved ones would be really
9252
92532314
925401:40:32,060 --> 01:40:33,800
9255upset so they put a video camera on
9256
92572315
925801:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,140
9259evidence shared your reactions on
9260
92612316
926201:40:36,140 --> 01:40:37,970
9263YouTube I don't I don't know if anything
9264
92652317
926601:40:37,970 --> 01:40:39,470
9267like that had ever happened before us or
9268
92692318
927001:40:39,470 --> 01:40:43,490
9271leaning in anticipate that howdy
9272
92732319
927401:40:43,490 --> 01:40:45,530
9275shout out to the locust crowd out there
9276
92772320
927801:40:45,530 --> 01:40:49,330
9279how thank you so much for the benefit I
9280
92812321
928201:40:49,330 --> 01:40:52,550
9283like reading the credits I loved reading
9284
92852322
928601:40:52,550 --> 01:40:55,100
9287the credits in the old 80s Twilight Zone
9288
92892323
929001:40:55,100 --> 01:40:56,660
9291the first time I would have read your
9292
92932324
929401:40:56,660 --> 01:41:00,140
9295name I loved reading Harlan Ellison's
9296
92972325
929801:41:00,140 --> 01:41:02,240
9299name there and I really loved seeing
9300
93012326
930201:41:02,240 --> 01:41:04,070
9303Theodora sturgeons name up there and I
9304
93052327
930601:41:04,070 --> 01:41:06,290
9307just wondered if you had a an Ellison or
9308
93092328
931001:41:06,290 --> 01:41:08,060
9311particularly a sturgeons story to tell
9312
93132329
931401:41:08,060 --> 01:41:18,570
9315us
9316
93172330
931801:41:18,570 --> 01:41:23,230
9319well I ted sturgeon of course i loved
9320
93212331
932201:41:23,230 --> 01:41:25,599
9323his work and i did meet him a few times
9324
93252332
932601:41:25,599 --> 01:41:28,300
9327but not well enough to have any stories
9328
93292333
933001:41:28,300 --> 01:41:30,249
9331about it and i just to shake his hand
9332
93332334
933401:41:30,249 --> 01:41:32,849
9335and say mrs. sturgeon i love your work
9336
93372335
933801:41:32,849 --> 01:41:37,059
9339but god he was an amazing writer and
9340
93412336
934201:41:37,059 --> 01:41:38,590
9343those of you who are not familiar to
9344
93452337
934601:41:38,590 --> 01:41:40,960
9347work at ed sturgeon you should go to the
9348
93492338
935001:41:40,960 --> 01:41:42,579
9351world clod and pick up a book of his in
9352
93532339
935401:41:42,579 --> 01:41:45,210
9355the dealer's room and read some of it
9356
93572340
935801:41:45,210 --> 01:41:52,690
9359incredible incredible writer Harlan
9360
93612341
936201:41:52,690 --> 01:42:00,849
9363Ellison I I knew for many years I met
9364
93652342
936601:42:00,849 --> 01:42:04,840
9367him first time at the 1972 Luna Con in
9368
93692343
937001:42:04,840 --> 01:42:07,389
9371New York City where I remember I was I
9372
93732344
937401:42:07,389 --> 01:42:09,280
9375was a young writer I'd published a few
9376
93772345
937801:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,139
9379things but nobody put me on any panels
9380
93812346
938201:42:11,139 --> 01:42:12,849
9383yet but I was sitting in the audience
9384
93852347
938601:42:12,849 --> 01:42:15,249
9387during a young writers panel and Harlan
9388
93892348
939001:42:15,249 --> 01:42:17,409
9391was the moderator and it had people on
9392
93932349
939401:42:17,409 --> 01:42:19,210
9395it like Jack Dan and George Alec
9396
93972350
939801:42:19,210 --> 01:42:21,369
9399Effinger and both Altman's
9400
94012351
940201:42:21,369 --> 01:42:28,380
9403Jo and J and coordinate uh swa-- and
9404
94052352
940601:42:28,380 --> 01:42:30,460
9407some of you may not be old enough to
9408
94092353
941001:42:30,460 --> 01:42:33,730
9411remember this TV show but Harlan decided
9412
94132354
941401:42:33,730 --> 01:42:36,880
9415he would do this panel with young
9416
94172355
941801:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,920
9419writers in the format of the TV show
9420
94212356
942201:42:38,920 --> 01:42:40,769
9423queen for a day
9424
94252357
942601:42:40,769 --> 01:42:44,699
9427you know queen firday was this horrible
9428
94292358
943001:42:44,699 --> 01:42:47,679
9431game show or whatever you would call it
9432
94332359
943401:42:47,679 --> 01:42:51,880
9435that was on in the 50s where women would
9436
94372360
943801:42:51,880 --> 01:42:53,679
9439come on with a contestants were always
9440
94412361
944201:42:53,679 --> 01:42:56,889
9443women and they would have to tell how
9444
94452362
944601:42:56,889 --> 01:42:59,260
9447poor they were and how miserable their
9448
94492363
945001:42:59,260 --> 01:43:01,449
9451lives were and then the audience would
9452
94532364
945401:43:01,449 --> 01:43:04,230
9455vote on which one was most miserable and
9456
94572365
945801:43:04,230 --> 01:43:06,940
9459they would put a fake crown on her head
9460
94612366
946201:43:06,940 --> 01:43:11,170
9463and give her a washing machine and that
9464
94652367
946601:43:11,170 --> 01:43:12,760
9467was the format of the show a day you
9468
94692368
947001:43:12,760 --> 01:43:14,530
9471know two women weeping about their
9472
94732369
947401:43:14,530 --> 01:43:16,329
9475alcoholic husbands and their children
9476
94772370
947801:43:16,329 --> 01:43:18,340
9479were sick and you know they had recently
9480
94812371
948201:43:18,340 --> 01:43:19,989
9483been evicted from their home and you
9484
94852372
948601:43:19,989 --> 01:43:21,699
9487know the audience would vote on that
9488
94892373
949001:43:21,699 --> 01:43:24,099
9491so Harlan did the young writers panel in
9492
94932374
949401:43:24,099 --> 01:43:24,330
9495that
9496
94972375
949801:43:24,330 --> 01:43:26,280
9499format and all of the writers had to
9500
95012376
950201:43:26,280 --> 01:43:29,040
9503tell how poor they were and the state of
9504
95052377
950601:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,580
9507young writers say I always remember
9508
95092378
951001:43:31,580 --> 01:43:36,360
9511Gardner Dozois saying I'm so poor I eat
9512
95132379
951401:43:36,360 --> 01:43:40,800
9515my cornflakes with water and then George
9516
95172380
951801:43:40,800 --> 01:43:42,270
9519how happened or next to him said you
9520
95212381
952201:43:42,270 --> 01:43:45,590
9523have cornflakes
9524
95252382
952601:43:45,590 --> 01:43:50,520
9527and then at the end of it the Heartland
9528
95292383
953001:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,770
9531decided to raise some money for the
9532
95332384
953401:43:52,770 --> 01:43:54,960
9535young writers as well you've heard out
9536
95372385
953801:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,820
9539for these guys let's get them some money
9540
95412386
954201:43:56,820 --> 01:43:58,290
9543so that you need to in convention let's
9544
95452387
954601:43:58,290 --> 01:44:00,180
9547see a sea of green let's see a sea of
9548
95492388
955001:44:00,180 --> 01:44:02,040
9551green you know the thing that preachers
9552
95532389
955401:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,650
9555do we hold up a dollar bill no one held
9556
95572390
955801:44:04,650 --> 01:44:07,770
9559up in a dollar bill complete
9560
95612391
956201:44:07,770 --> 01:44:14,360
9563failure sois piped up and said all right
9564
95652392
956601:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,250
9567first one to hit Jack Dan and the nose
9568
95692393
957001:44:17,250 --> 01:44:26,490
9571with a quarter in surprise and they
9572
95732394
957401:44:26,490 --> 01:44:28,320
9575divided up that money to happen if they
9576
95772395
957801:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,180
9579had enough he everybody got like six
9580
95812396
958201:44:30,180 --> 01:44:33,840
9583dollars all right I'm gonna say
9584
95852397
958601:44:33,840 --> 01:44:36,810
9587something right now we got 17 minutes
9588
95892398
959001:44:36,810 --> 01:44:38,760
9591and 15 people in line so I'm gonna say
9592
95932399
959401:44:38,760 --> 01:44:40,980
9595do not do the multistage question thing
9596
95972400
959801:44:40,980 --> 01:44:42,810
9599if you don't mind and ask him quick ask
9600
96012401
960201:44:42,810 --> 01:44:44,310
9603him punchy let's see how many we can get
9604
96052402
960601:44:44,310 --> 01:44:48,690
9607in no long question here George just
9608
96092403
961001:44:48,690 --> 01:44:50,010
9611wanted to know when you were a young
9612
96132404
961401:44:50,010 --> 01:44:52,770
9615writer when did you feel or did you have
9616
96172405
961801:44:52,770 --> 01:44:54,630
9619a certain feeling when you were ready to
9620
96212406
962201:44:54,630 --> 01:44:57,000
9623start doing these larger worlds like
9624
96252407
962601:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,410
9627Westeros and your other works as well
9628
96292408
963001:45:00,410 --> 01:45:04,610
9631when were you ready to sort of build a
9632
96332409
963401:45:04,610 --> 01:45:07,550
9635world with a huge cast of characters and
9636
96372410
963801:45:07,550 --> 01:45:13,470
9639a world this big as Westeros well I mean
9640
96412411
964201:45:13,470 --> 01:45:15,300
9643my early work of course never had that I
9644
96452412
964601:45:15,300 --> 01:45:17,310
9647mean my early work was I did have a
9648
96492413
965001:45:17,310 --> 01:45:19,290
9651future history most of my stuff in the
9652
96532414
965401:45:19,290 --> 01:45:21,450
965570s was science fiction and it all took
9656
96572415
965801:45:21,450 --> 01:45:23,430
9659place in what I call the Thousand worlds
9660
96612416
966201:45:23,430 --> 01:45:27,890
9663or the man realm future history of
9664
96652417
966601:45:27,890 --> 01:45:30,810
9667distant planets and all that but the it
9668
96692418
967001:45:30,810 --> 01:45:32,970
9671was not a series when he means it was
9672
96732419
967401:45:32,970 --> 01:45:35,310
9675the stories took place spread over
9676
96772420
967801:45:35,310 --> 01:45:37,070
9679thousands of years and thousands
9680
96812421
968201:45:37,070 --> 01:45:40,280
9683light-years just part of the general
9684
96852422
968601:45:40,280 --> 01:45:44,030
9687same template I wrote short stories for
9688
96892423
969001:45:44,030 --> 01:45:46,070
9691six years before I even attempted a
9692
96932424
969401:45:46,070 --> 01:45:50,119
9695novel and because novels were big and
9696
96972425
969801:45:50,119 --> 01:45:52,070
9699intimidating to me but as I got more and
9700
97012426
970201:45:52,070 --> 01:45:54,230
9703more confident as a writer my stories
9704
97052427
970601:45:54,230 --> 01:45:56,030
9707got longer and longer and I started out
9708
97092428
971001:45:56,030 --> 01:45:57,710
9711with short stories and pretty soon I was
9712
97132429
971401:45:57,710 --> 01:45:59,420
9715ready novelettes and novellas and then
9716
97172430
971801:45:59,420 --> 01:46:04,219
9719finally in 77 I wrote my first novel and
9720
97212431
972201:46:04,219 --> 01:46:06,829
9723then you know as you heard I wrote a
9724
97252432
972601:46:06,829 --> 01:46:08,719
9727number of novels I wrote the Armageddon
9728
97292433
973001:46:08,719 --> 01:46:11,150
9731rag my career crashing burned I wound up
9732
97332434
973401:46:11,150 --> 01:46:13,940
9735going to Hollywood and in Hollywood I
9736
97372435
973801:46:13,940 --> 01:46:17,659
9739discovered that although they liked my
9740
97412436
974201:46:17,659 --> 01:46:19,940
9743work there was a common complaint every
9744
97452437
974601:46:19,940 --> 01:46:21,530
9747every time I handed a script it was
9748
97492438
975001:46:21,530 --> 01:46:23,510
9751George this is this is too big and too
9752
97532439
975401:46:23,510 --> 01:46:25,429
9755expensive we can't do this we love it
9756
97572440
975801:46:25,429 --> 01:46:27,260
9759but it's great but you know you've got
9760
97612441
976201:46:27,260 --> 01:46:29,270
9763too many characters you get the battle
9764
97652442
976601:46:29,270 --> 01:46:31,159
9767scenes are too big you get too many
9768
97692443
977001:46:31,159 --> 01:46:33,710
9771settings can you cut it down and course
9772
97732444
977401:46:33,710 --> 01:46:34,849
9775I would do that that's what they were
9776
97772445
977801:46:34,849 --> 01:46:36,260
9779paying me to do I would do the second
9780
97812446
978201:46:36,260 --> 01:46:43,280
9783draft my third draft and cut it down but
9784
97852447
978601:46:43,280 --> 01:46:44,630
9787I always preferred the first drafts
9788
97892448
979001:46:44,630 --> 01:46:46,429
9791those were always the ones I liked the
9792
97932449
979401:46:46,429 --> 01:46:48,349
9795later drafts were usually more polished
9796
97972450
979801:46:48,349 --> 01:46:50,840
9799but the first draft was bigger and
9800
98012451
980201:46:50,840 --> 01:46:53,420
9803juicier and had more of creativity into
9804
98052452
980601:46:53,420 --> 01:46:56,540
9807it after ten years of that when I
9808
98092453
981001:46:56,540 --> 01:46:59,420
9811returned to prose I was reacting against
9812
98132454
981401:46:59,420 --> 01:47:02,270
9815that and I said I I want to do something
9816
98172455
981801:47:02,270 --> 01:47:06,199
9819that's as big as my imagination you know
9820
98212456
982201:47:06,199 --> 01:47:09,860
9823these these books are novels I'm not
9824
98252457
982601:47:09,860 --> 01:47:12,170
9827limited to a budget I'm not limited to
9828
98292458
983001:47:12,170 --> 01:47:15,380
9831what we can do you know in a seven day
9832
98332459
983401:47:15,380 --> 01:47:17,719
9835shoot or 30 days shoot I can make them
9836
98372460
983801:47:17,719 --> 01:47:19,880
9839as big as I want I can have incredible
9840
98412461
984201:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,010
9843castles I get in battles with thousands
9844
98452462
984601:47:22,010 --> 01:47:23,869
9847and thousands of people I can have a
9848
98492463
985001:47:23,869 --> 01:47:27,290
9851very complex plot and I can have a cast
9852
98532464
985401:47:27,290 --> 01:47:29,270
9855of characters that will go into the
9856
98572465
985801:47:29,270 --> 01:47:31,790
9859dozens or even the hundreds so I'm going
9860
98612466
986201:47:31,790 --> 01:47:33,290
9863to make this big after all I don't have
9864
98652467
986601:47:33,290 --> 01:47:34,699
9867to worry these things will never be
9868
98692468
987001:47:34,699 --> 01:47:37,109
9871filmed
9872
98732469
987401:47:37,109 --> 01:47:41,579
9875and that's how the gigantic cast of
9876
98772470
987801:47:41,579 --> 01:47:46,019
9879thousands Game of Thrones camera hello
9880
98812471
988201:47:46,019 --> 01:47:49,649
9883mr. Martin is a writer of a reader both
9884
98852472
988601:47:49,649 --> 01:47:51,510
9887the Song of Ice and Fire trilogy and
9888
98892473
989001:47:51,510 --> 01:47:54,169
9891some of the thousand universe world
9892
98932474
989401:47:54,169 --> 01:47:57,359
9895there's plenty of themes there's mostly
9896
98972475
989801:47:57,359 --> 01:48:00,409
9899an anti-war theme there's an anti
9900
99012476
990201:48:00,409 --> 01:48:03,089
9903primogenitor theme what would you like
9904
99052477
990601:48:03,089 --> 01:48:06,209
9907readers take away from the words and the
9908
99092478
991001:48:06,209 --> 01:48:07,769
9911Song of Ice and Fire and do you think
9912
99132479
991401:48:07,769 --> 01:48:09,329
9915that the show walkers will take away the
9916
99172480
991801:48:09,329 --> 01:48:17,010
9919same theme give me the question which
9920
99212481
992201:48:17,010 --> 01:48:20,849
9923theme of the words in yeah I don't
9924
99252482
992601:48:20,849 --> 01:48:23,070
9927really think in those terms about you
9928
99292483
993001:48:23,070 --> 01:48:24,899
9931know this is gonna be the theme of this
9932
99332484
993401:48:24,899 --> 01:48:29,059
9935book I mean books contain many many
9936
99372485
993801:48:29,059 --> 01:48:34,320
9939aspects of life and love and the world
9940
99412486
994201:48:34,320 --> 01:48:37,439
9943and politics and you're it's all grist
9944
99452487
994601:48:37,439 --> 01:48:38,820
9947for the mill and you're all discussing
9948
99492488
995001:48:38,820 --> 01:48:40,379
9951it and especially when you have multiple
9952
99532489
995401:48:40,379 --> 01:48:42,510
9955viewpoints you have people looking at
9956
99572490
995801:48:42,510 --> 01:48:44,909
9959the world that is the same in different
9960
99612491
996201:48:44,909 --> 01:48:47,489
9963ways and having different viewpoints and
9964
99652492
996601:48:47,489 --> 01:48:49,619
9967you give them each hopefully you as
9968
99692493
997001:48:49,619 --> 01:48:51,539
9971honest as you tend to have that
9972
99732494
997401:48:51,539 --> 01:48:53,989
9975character would look at these issues and
9976
99772495
997801:48:53,989 --> 01:48:56,989
9979they may not even agree with each other
9980
99812496
998201:48:56,989 --> 01:49:00,209
9983there are certainly messages there or I
9984
99852497
998601:49:00,209 --> 01:49:02,699
9987don't know themes that you can ponder
9988
99892498
999001:49:02,699 --> 01:49:06,269
9991and and think about yes but nothing that
9992
99932499
999401:49:06,269 --> 01:49:08,820
9995can be stated in a sentence if I could
9996
99972500
999801:49:08,820 --> 01:49:10,739
9999state it in a census I would state it in
10000
100012501
1000201:49:10,739 --> 01:49:12,959
10003a sentence and I wouldn't need to write
10004
100052502
1000601:49:12,959 --> 01:49:16,709
10007these hundreds of very very big lengthy
10008
100092503
1001001:49:16,709 --> 01:49:23,939
10011books or lots of works okay well really
10012
100132504
1001401:49:23,939 --> 01:49:26,639
10015excited to be here love your work so my
10016
100172505
1001801:49:26,639 --> 01:49:28,409
10019question is you said earlier that you
10020
100212506
1002201:49:28,409 --> 01:49:29,939
10023kind of follow your characters where
10024
100252507
1002601:49:29,939 --> 01:49:31,260
10027they go and if they lead you down the
10028
100292508
1003001:49:31,260 --> 01:49:32,639
10031wrong path you kind of have to u-turn
10032
100332509
1003401:49:32,639 --> 01:49:34,679
10035and come back I was wondering like what
10036
100372510
1003801:49:34,679 --> 01:49:36,510
10039are some of your favorite storylines
10040
100412511
1004201:49:36,510 --> 01:49:39,570
10043that almost happened but didn't and
10044
100452512
1004601:49:39,570 --> 01:49:40,990
10047thinking back on
10048
100492513
1005001:49:40,990 --> 01:49:42,990
10051oh that would be funny if I did that
10052
100532514
1005401:49:42,990 --> 01:49:46,390
10055famous favorite storylines that almost
10056
100572515
1005801:49:46,390 --> 01:49:48,040
10059happened but did not yeah like you
10060
100612516
1006201:49:48,040 --> 01:49:49,960
10063changed your mind during the writing
10064
100652517
1006601:49:49,960 --> 01:49:54,010
10067process in like I don't know that's
10068
100692518
1007001:49:54,010 --> 01:49:55,870
10071that's hard to say
10072
100732519
1007401:49:55,870 --> 01:49:58,090
10075there is one chapter that I actually
10076
100772520
1007801:49:58,090 --> 01:50:00,880
10079wrote I've talked about this before
10080
100812521
1008201:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,670
10083it's a Tyrion chapter from Dance with
10084
100852522
1008601:50:03,670 --> 01:50:08,740
10087Dragons and it's a great chapter I
10088
100892523
1009001:50:08,740 --> 01:50:11,920
10091really liked this chapter it's very kind
10092
100932524
1009401:50:11,920 --> 01:50:15,070
10095of spooky and atmospheric and there's a
10096
100972525
1009801:50:15,070 --> 01:50:17,560
10099lot of wonderful visual imagery in it
10100
101012526
1010201:50:17,560 --> 01:50:20,470
10103and there's an amazing character you
10104
101052527
1010601:50:20,470 --> 01:50:23,980
10107know who appears for the first time in
10108
101092528
1011001:50:23,980 --> 01:50:28,150
10111that chapter and I loved that chapter
10112
101132529
1011401:50:28,150 --> 01:50:31,900
10115and then I realized that Tyrion had led
10116
101172530
1011801:50:31,900 --> 01:50:34,330
10119me into a swamp and that after this
10120
101212531
1012201:50:34,330 --> 01:50:37,090
10123chapter I didn't know what followed you
10124
101252532
1012601:50:37,090 --> 01:50:39,280
10127know where do where do I go from here I
10128
101292533
1013001:50:39,280 --> 01:50:41,860
10131tried to save that chapter during dance
10132
101332534
1013401:50:41,860 --> 01:50:43,690
10135with numerous ways I mean at first I
10136
101372535
1013801:50:43,690 --> 01:50:45,910
10139just wrote it as a chapter and then I
10140
101412536
1014201:50:45,910 --> 01:50:49,390
10143said okay maybe it'd be better if it was
10144
101452537
1014601:50:49,390 --> 01:50:52,210
10147broken up and pieces of it we'll put in
10148
101492538
1015001:50:52,210 --> 01:50:54,220
10151this chapter and in that chapter and
10152
101532539
1015401:50:54,220 --> 01:50:57,940
10155then this other chapter and no no it's
10156
101572540
1015801:50:57,940 --> 01:50:59,620
10159worse better together so I put it back
10160
101612541
1016201:50:59,620 --> 01:51:01,750
10163together maybe maybe the way to do it
10164
101652542
1016601:51:01,750 --> 01:51:04,000
10167it's a dream it didn't actually happen
10168
101692543
1017001:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,210
10171it's very am Batarian at this dream this
10172
101732544
1017401:51:07,210 --> 01:51:09,400
10175is really cool and I finally just gave
10176
101772545
1017801:51:09,400 --> 01:51:11,410
10179up and ripped it out and said no I can
10180
101812546
1018201:51:11,410 --> 01:51:13,570
10183never just this is it
10184
101852547
1018601:51:13,570 --> 01:51:16,090
10187this is on its own terms as the perfect
10188
101892548
1019001:51:16,090 --> 01:51:18,970
10191chapter but it leads me into a morass
10192
101932549
1019401:51:18,970 --> 01:51:21,550
10195that I can't get out of so maybe someday
10196
101972550
1019801:51:21,550 --> 01:51:23,260
10199when I finish the whole thing or I'm
10200
102012551
1020201:51:23,260 --> 01:51:26,050
10203long dead my ears will publish the loss
10204
102052552
1020601:51:26,050 --> 01:51:33,700
10207Tyrion chapter hi there my question is
10208
102092553
1021001:51:33,700 --> 01:51:35,890
10211pretty simple did bittersteel have
10212
102132554
1021401:51:35,890 --> 01:51:37,960
10215children oh did bittersteel have
10216
102172555
1021801:51:37,960 --> 01:51:44,370
10219children yeah no I don't think so okay
10220
102212556
1022201:51:44,370 --> 01:51:47,440
10223hey Georgia is Kyle here from azor Ahai
10224
102252557
1022601:51:47,440 --> 01:51:49,240
10227P YouTube's Michael Chernus you've paid
10228
102292558
1023001:51:49,240 --> 01:51:51,850
10231homage to a lot of authors and different
10232
102332559
1023401:51:51,850 --> 01:51:53,830
10235stories how how does it make you feel
10236
102372560
1023801:51:53,830 --> 01:51:56,950
10239that in the future that you know your
10240
102412561
1024201:51:56,950 --> 01:51:58,390
10243characters like aria and Jon and how
10244
102452562
1024601:51:58,390 --> 01:52:01,660
10247their characters in your stories will be
10248
102492563
1025001:52:01,660 --> 01:52:03,550
10251paid homage to so how do you feel about
10252
102532564
1025401:52:03,550 --> 01:52:06,460
10255that yeah I think that's cool yes I do
10256
102572565
1025801:52:06,460 --> 01:52:08,320
10259have a number of homogeneous and tips of
10260
102612566
1026201:52:08,320 --> 01:52:10,120
10263that other authors that are in the books
10264
102652567
1026601:52:10,120 --> 01:52:12,550
10267that you can find Roger Zelazny Jack
10268
102692568
1027001:52:12,550 --> 01:52:15,250
10271Vance Robert Jordan you know other
10272
102732569
1027401:52:15,250 --> 01:52:18,580
10275friends of mine and will other writers
10276
102772570
1027801:52:18,580 --> 01:52:20,200
10279be doing that to me in the future yeah
10280
102812571
1028201:52:20,200 --> 01:52:21,610
10283maybe then that's kind of cool
10284
102852572
1028601:52:21,610 --> 01:52:23,710
10287especially if I like the writers and I
10288
102892573
1029001:52:23,710 --> 01:52:27,820
10291like their books it's been done a cage
10292
102932574
1029401:52:27,820 --> 01:52:30,250
10295like before oddly enough you know the
10296
102972575
1029801:52:30,250 --> 01:52:32,320
10299when I wrote that book the Armageddon
10300
103012576
1030201:52:32,320 --> 01:52:35,260
10303read of course the it's all about a
10304
103052577
1030601:52:35,260 --> 01:52:37,690
10307imaginary rock band called the NAS ball
10308
103092578
1031001:52:37,690 --> 01:52:40,720
10311and which of course was itself a homage
10312
103132579
1031401:52:40,720 --> 01:52:43,810
10315to Tolkien but then you know a few years
10316
103172580
1031801:52:43,810 --> 01:52:45,400
10319after the American rain came out I was
10320
103212581
1032201:52:45,400 --> 01:52:47,040
10323reading at Charles de lint book and
10324
103252582
1032601:52:47,040 --> 01:52:49,540
10327there was a scene where this guy is
10328
103292583
1033001:52:49,540 --> 01:52:52,360
10331going through the the vinyl albums of
10332
103332584
1033401:52:52,360 --> 01:52:54,160
10335his girlfriend and he finds a nazgul a
10336
103372585
1033801:52:54,160 --> 01:52:56,740
10339bum and I thought that was very cool you
10340
103412586
1034201:52:56,740 --> 01:52:58,180
10343know Colette doing a tip of the hat to
10344
103452587
1034601:52:58,180 --> 01:52:59,920
10347me so I suspect I will like it when it
10348
103492588
1035001:52:59,920 --> 01:53:03,790
10351happens where did you get the idea to
10352
103532589
1035401:53:03,790 --> 01:53:05,920
10355create parallels between your little
10356
103572590
1035801:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,290
10359folktales in the story and the main
10360
103612591
1036201:53:08,290 --> 01:53:10,180
10363events like Daenerys here's the story
10364
103652592
1036601:53:10,180 --> 01:53:12,460
10367about the second moon wandering to the
10368
103692593
1037001:53:12,460 --> 01:53:14,560
10371Sun and cracking and giving birth to
10372
103732594
1037401:53:14,560 --> 01:53:16,390
10375dragons and then after being called moon
10376
103772595
1037801:53:16,390 --> 01:53:18,220
10379the whole moon of my life for the whole
10380
103812596
1038201:53:18,220 --> 01:53:20,290
10383book she wanders into the fire of her
10384
103852597
1038601:53:20,290 --> 01:53:22,450
10387Sun and stars and births dragons so
10388
103892598
1039001:53:22,450 --> 01:53:25,210
10391where did you get this amazing idea to
10392
103932599
1039401:53:25,210 --> 01:53:27,640
10395create these parallels between your own
10396
103972600
1039801:53:27,640 --> 01:53:29,830
10399folklore and the action there's anybody
10400
104012601
1040201:53:29,830 --> 01:53:32,110
10403else done that and what does just say
10404
104052602
1040601:53:32,110 --> 01:53:33,430
10407anything about that at all I'd be
10408
104092603
1041001:53:33,430 --> 01:53:36,640
10411thrilled well I mean any question it
10412
104132604
1041401:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,050
10415begins with where do you get the idea
10416
104172605
1041801:53:38,050 --> 01:53:38,940
10419the answer is
10420
104212606
1042201:53:38,940 --> 01:53:42,660
10423and thankfully I get these ideas and and
10424
104252607
1042601:53:42,660 --> 01:53:47,310
10427they they tend to work more often than
10428
104292608
1043001:53:47,310 --> 01:53:53,550
10431not but I'm hardly someone I can't take
10432
104332609
1043401:53:53,550 --> 01:53:55,200
10435any credit for inventing that technique
10436
104372610
1043801:53:55,200 --> 01:53:57,150
10439I'd be another many of the writers have
10440
104412611
1044201:53:57,150 --> 01:53:58,880
10443done this where you know there's a
10444
104452612
1044601:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,500
10447foreshadowing or there's a dream or
10448
104492613
1045001:54:01,500 --> 01:54:03,000
10451there's something like that and then you
10452
104532614
1045401:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,640
10455see it come true when it says the organ
10456
104572615
1045801:54:05,640 --> 01:54:07,470
10459that is trying to make it come true in a
10460
104612616
1046201:54:07,470 --> 01:54:12,600
10463you know unexpected manner you know so
10464
104652617
1046601:54:12,600 --> 01:54:14,160
10467there's a prophecy and then it comes
10468
104692618
1047001:54:14,160 --> 01:54:16,290
10471true but it doesn't come true in a
10472
104732619
1047401:54:16,290 --> 01:54:17,760
10475literal sense of the way you thought it
10476
104772620
1047801:54:17,760 --> 01:54:18,930
10479would it comes true in something a
10480
104812621
1048201:54:18,930 --> 01:54:21,980
10483little more clever than that and I
10484
104852622
1048601:54:21,980 --> 01:54:25,830
10487that's kind of fun to do it can be it
10488
104892623
1049001:54:25,830 --> 01:54:27,930
10491can be tricky to do at the same time but
10492
104932624
1049401:54:27,930 --> 01:54:31,980
10495it is it is enjoyable I have thoughts
10496
104972625
1049801:54:31,980 --> 01:54:34,860
10499sometimes idea it's kind of a one of the
10500
105012626
1050201:54:34,860 --> 01:54:37,860
10503tropes of fiction you know I'm sometimes
10504
105052627
1050601:54:37,860 --> 01:54:40,770
10507accused of deconstructing fantasy
10508
105092628
1051001:54:40,770 --> 01:54:42,960
10511clichés and and all that and I plead
10512
105132629
1051401:54:42,960 --> 01:54:45,390
10515guilty to some extent I look at stuff
10516
105172630
1051801:54:45,390 --> 01:54:50,010
10519that other writers it does that's not
10520
105212631
1052201:54:50,010 --> 01:54:51,600
10523true it wouldn't work out that way or
10524
105252632
1052601:54:51,600 --> 01:54:53,730
10527you know or gosh I've seen this a
10528
105292633
1053001:54:53,730 --> 01:54:55,260
10531million times before what if I do this
10532
105332634
1053401:54:55,260 --> 01:54:57,960
10535twist on it but sometimes you can't take
10536
105372635
1053801:54:57,960 --> 01:54:59,370
10539that too far like I've often thought
10540
105412636
1054201:54:59,370 --> 01:55:01,920
10543have you noticed in fiction whenever
10544
105452637
1054601:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,110
10547anybody has a dream in a movie a
10548
105492638
1055001:55:04,110 --> 01:55:06,510
10551television show or a book so that dream
10552
105532639
1055401:55:06,510 --> 01:55:08,730
10555has great psychological significance or
10556
105572640
1055801:55:08,730 --> 01:55:12,630
10559prophetic value that will later be very
10560
105612641
1056201:55:12,630 --> 01:55:15,560
10563important so pay attention to the dreams
10564
105652642
1056601:55:15,560 --> 01:55:18,510
10567my actual dreams make no sense
10568
105692643
1057001:55:18,510 --> 01:55:22,560
10571whatsoever they mean nothing and you
10572
105732644
1057401:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,350
10575know I wake up and said wait a minute
10576
105772645
1057801:55:25,350 --> 01:55:28,380
10579what was this I was I dreamt I was naked
10580
105812646
1058201:55:28,380 --> 01:55:30,660
10583in my third grade geometry class and
10584
105852647
1058601:55:30,660 --> 01:55:34,470
10587then Santa Claus came in and he pulled
10588
105892648
1059001:55:34,470 --> 01:55:36,810
10591George Washington out of his sack what
10592
105932649
1059401:55:36,810 --> 01:55:39,260
10595does that mean
10596
105972650
1059801:55:39,260 --> 01:55:43,680
10599nothing so I have occasionally thought
10600
106012651
1060201:55:43,680 --> 01:55:45,570
10603hey I should write a book where the
10604
106052652
1060601:55:45,570 --> 01:55:47,130
10607characters are all having completely
10608
106092653
1061001:55:47,130 --> 01:55:49,410
10611nonsensical dreams that mean nothing and
10612
106132654
1061401:55:49,410 --> 01:55:51,090
10615the readers will go crazy trying to
10616
106172655
1061801:55:51,090 --> 01:55:55,290
10619figure it out but I haven't yielded to
10620
106212656
1062201:55:55,290 --> 01:55:58,770
10623that temptation we've got four minutes
10624
106252657
1062601:55:58,770 --> 01:56:01,830
10627so keep them punchy really really quick
10628
106292658
1063001:56:01,830 --> 01:56:04,770
10631um one there's a missing Clegane sister
10632
106332659
1063401:56:04,770 --> 01:56:06,420
10635she hasn't shown up and I'm wondering if
10636
106372660
1063801:56:06,420 --> 01:56:08,970
10639that characters shown back up in the
10640
106412661
1064201:56:08,970 --> 01:56:12,930
10643story at some point and then quickly as
10644
106452662
1064601:56:12,930 --> 01:56:15,810
10647well the the red comet that's going
10648
106492663
1065001:56:15,810 --> 01:56:18,120
10651around the Sun you stick to science lot
10652
106532664
1065401:56:18,120 --> 01:56:20,070
10655so it seems like it's gone behind the
10656
106572665
1065801:56:20,070 --> 01:56:23,120
10659Sun and are we gonna see its return trip
10660
106612666
1066201:56:23,120 --> 01:56:25,470
10663well I won't comment on future events
10664
106652667
1066601:56:25,470 --> 01:56:27,930
10667but I had fun with the red comet because
10668
106692668
1067001:56:27,930 --> 01:56:30,660
10671that was one of the usual you know let's
10672
106732669
1067401:56:30,660 --> 01:56:33,750
10675show portentous sign that every
10676
106772670
1067801:56:33,750 --> 01:56:35,550
10679character interprets differently in
10680
106812671
1068201:56:35,550 --> 01:56:39,750
10683their own favor so I thought nobody else
10684
106852672
1068601:56:39,750 --> 01:56:41,430
10687had done that quite before so I had and
10688
106892673
1069001:56:41,430 --> 01:56:45,270
10691I'm doing it yes I have rather of a
10692
106932674
1069401:56:45,270 --> 01:56:47,820
10695hopefully a fun question for you I have
10696
106972675
1069801:56:47,820 --> 01:56:49,800
10699in my hands here it's an internet meme
10700
107012676
1070201:56:49,800 --> 01:56:53,040
10703and I hope you're familiar with these
10704
107052677
1070601:56:53,040 --> 01:56:55,830
10707but it's a big picture of your face and
10708
107092678
1071001:56:55,830 --> 01:56:58,950
10711it says I don't always kill characters
10712
107132679
1071401:56:58,950 --> 01:57:03,840
10715but when I do they're your favorite I'm
10716
107172680
1071801:57:03,840 --> 01:57:05,850
10719actually really hoping that you'll sign
10720
107212681
1072201:57:05,850 --> 01:57:09,000
10723this for me later but do you have and
10724
107252682
1072601:57:09,000 --> 01:57:10,950
10727John this goes for YouTube do you do you
10728
107292683
1073001:57:10,950 --> 01:57:12,510
10731have a favorite internet meme of
10732
107332684
1073401:57:12,510 --> 01:57:13,290
10735yourself
10736
107372685
1073801:57:13,290 --> 01:57:14,940
10739that you just saw it and you just
10740
107412686
1074201:57:14,940 --> 01:57:24,870
10743laughed I I can't say I have a favorite
10744
107452687
1074601:57:24,870 --> 01:57:28,440
10747meme no I'm you know I'm really really
10748
107492688
1075001:57:28,440 --> 01:57:31,260
10751old eyed this internet thing is beyond
10752
107532689
1075401:57:31,260 --> 01:57:34,470
10755me I I still type messages to the legs
10756
107572690
1075801:57:34,470 --> 01:57:36,480
10759of ravens and
10760
107612691
1076201:57:36,480 --> 01:57:39,660
10763send them off hopefully they get
10764
107652692
1076601:57:39,660 --> 01:57:43,020
10767somewhere so I don't have a meme I'm not
10768
107692693
1077001:57:43,020 --> 01:57:44,730
10771at that level but I would say that
10772
107732694
1077401:57:44,730 --> 01:57:47,130
10775there's a cover I did for Frederick
10776
107772695
1077801:57:47,130 --> 01:57:49,290
10779Poole's gateway Random House right
10780
107812696
1078201:57:49,290 --> 01:57:52,560
10783around 2005 and this is before you know
10784
107852697
1078601:57:52,560 --> 01:57:55,170
10787we have social media and somebody
10788
107892698
1079001:57:55,170 --> 01:57:56,429
10791brought to my attention about a year ago
10792
107932699
1079401:57:56,429 --> 01:57:58,679
10795that there was a there's a set of New
10796
107972700
1079801:57:58,679 --> 01:58:00,210
10799Age there's like a network of New Age
10800
108012701
1080201:58:00,210 --> 01:58:02,130
10803sites that have taken that image and
10804
108052702
1080601:58:02,130 --> 01:58:04,350
10807have almost create like a little quasi
10808
108092703
1081001:58:04,350 --> 01:58:06,210
10811religion around this image and what it
10812
108132704
1081401:58:06,210 --> 01:58:07,820
10815means and what it means to all these
10816
108172705
1081801:58:07,820 --> 01:58:11,760
10819thousands of New Age I don't know what
10820
108212706
1082201:58:11,760 --> 01:58:13,739
10823they are meant metaphysical followers
10824
108252707
1082601:58:13,739 --> 01:58:16,469
10827and I check in on that periodically and
10828
108292708
1083001:58:16,469 --> 01:58:17,850
10831every once in a while I feel like typing
10832
108332709
1083401:58:17,850 --> 01:58:19,620
10835something in and just that not I'm not
10836
108372710
1083801:58:19,620 --> 01:58:21,870
10839that mean but yeah there's you should do
10840
108412711
1084201:58:21,870 --> 01:58:24,510
10843it but yeah that's that's the closest
10844
108452712
1084601:58:24,510 --> 01:58:26,130
10847I've come to that oh I'm wondering if
10848
108492713
1085001:58:26,130 --> 01:58:28,679
10851Joseph Campbell had any influence on you
10852
108532714
1085401:58:28,679 --> 01:58:38,510
10855as a writer and if so no John W Campbell
10856
108572715
1085801:58:38,510 --> 01:58:41,699
10859hi George so I was just curious because
10860
108612716
1086201:58:41,699 --> 01:58:44,280
10863you've you have very complex characters
10864
108652717
1086601:58:44,280 --> 01:58:46,110
10867when you were developing Game of Thrones
10868
108692718
1087001:58:46,110 --> 01:58:48,390
10871were you inspired by people you met and
10872
108732719
1087401:58:48,390 --> 01:58:50,660
10875day to day life or were they more so
10876
108772720
1087801:58:50,660 --> 01:58:52,830
10879inspirations from other stories and
10880
108812721
1088201:58:52,830 --> 01:58:56,130
10883other books and even historical context
10884
108852722
1088601:58:56,130 --> 01:58:59,730
10887well in a general sense
10888
108892723
1089001:58:59,730 --> 01:59:03,000
10891yes but I didn't like model any of them
10892
108932724
1089401:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,750
10895on you know people I know or or some to
10896
108972725
1089801:59:06,750 --> 01:59:08,160
10899some extent they were modeled on people
10900
109012726
1090201:59:08,160 --> 01:59:10,860
10903in history but I changed them and mixed
10904
109052727
1090601:59:10,860 --> 01:59:13,590
10907up you know this from column a and this
10908
109092728
1091001:59:13,590 --> 01:59:16,890
10911from column B and wouldn't be
10912
109132729
1091401:59:16,890 --> 01:59:18,090
10915interesting when I twisted this
10916
109172730
1091801:59:18,090 --> 01:59:21,320
10919character that way I like to play with
10920
109212731
1092201:59:21,320 --> 01:59:24,719
10923cliches and tropes and try to make them
10924
109252732
1092601:59:24,719 --> 01:59:28,410
10927fresh again in a general sense yes I
10928
109292733
1093001:59:28,410 --> 01:59:32,160
10931mean I I look at my own life and the
10932
109332734
1093401:59:32,160 --> 01:59:34,530
10935people I've known during my life and the
10936
109372735
1093801:59:34,530 --> 01:59:36,449
10939people I read about in the news and in
10940
109412736
1094201:59:36,449 --> 01:59:39,830
10943biographies and histories and all of it
10944
109452737
1094601:59:39,830 --> 01:59:43,110
10947influences my view of how humanity works
10948
109492738
1095001:59:43,110 --> 01:59:47,179
10951and you know one thing I learned and
10952
109532739
1095401:59:47,179 --> 01:59:49,320
10955observed
10956
109572740
1095801:59:49,320 --> 01:59:52,320
10959decades ago is that people are
10960
109612741
1096201:59:52,320 --> 01:59:56,960
10963complicated creatures and there are no
10964
109652742
1096601:59:56,960 --> 02:00:01,410
10967real heroes or villains such as many
10968
109692743
1097002:00:01,410 --> 02:00:04,110
10971books do it we're all a combination of
10972
109732744
1097402:00:04,110 --> 02:00:05,580
10975it we all have goodness
10976
109772745
1097802:00:05,580 --> 02:00:08,640
10979we all have evil in us we're all capable
10980
109812746
1098202:00:08,640 --> 02:00:12,030
10983of doing acts of great heroism and
10984
109852747
1098602:00:12,030 --> 02:00:14,820
10987selflessness and nobility and we're all
10988
109892748
1099002:00:14,820 --> 02:00:17,160
10991capable of doing acts of incredible
10992
109932749
1099402:00:17,160 --> 02:00:21,810
10995greed and selfishness and cruelty and
10996
109972750
1099802:00:21,810 --> 02:00:24,810
10999sometimes the same people are capable of
11000
110012751
1100202:00:24,810 --> 02:00:26,820
11003both and they do one on Tuesday and
11004
110052752
1100602:00:26,820 --> 02:00:30,780
11007another one on Wednesday and that's both
11008
110092753
1101002:00:30,780 --> 02:00:32,940
11011the the Wonder and the glory and the
11012
110132754
1101402:00:32,940 --> 02:00:35,910
11015terror of human beings and I find
11016
110172755
1101802:00:35,910 --> 02:00:38,000
11019natural human beings for more
11020
110212756
1102202:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,440
11023fascinating than the cardboard cutouts
11024
110252757
1102602:00:40,440 --> 02:00:42,690
11027that you see in a lot of television film
11028
110292758
1103002:00:42,690 --> 02:00:44,940
11031and fiction that's a pretty good way to
11032
110332759
1103402:00:44,940 --> 02:00:45,900
11035end it but I'm gonna go and let you
11036
110372760
1103802:00:45,900 --> 02:00:47,640
11039finish it that was pretty good so all
11040
110412761
1104202:00:47,640 --> 02:00:49,170
11043right we've promised the house we're
11044
110452762
1104602:00:49,170 --> 02:00:50,400
11047gonna close it down so it's gonna be the
11048
110492763
1105002:00:50,400 --> 02:00:51,930
11051last one I got a final word after that
11052
110532764
1105402:00:51,930 --> 02:00:53,910
11055go for my question is actually very
11056
110572765
1105802:00:53,910 --> 02:00:56,580
11059related to the previous question out of
11060
110612766
1106202:00:56,580 --> 02:01:00,120
11063all the characters you've created what
11064
110652767
1106602:01:00,120 --> 02:01:02,610
11067character was the most difficult for you
11068
110692768
1107002:01:02,610 --> 02:01:04,800
11071to conceive of in terms of psychology
11072
110732769
1107402:01:04,800 --> 02:01:13,380
11075and personality and why well each
11076
110772770
1107802:01:13,380 --> 02:01:15,690
11079character has their own challenges in
11080
110812771
1108202:01:15,690 --> 02:01:18,180
11083terms of Game of Thrones and some of the
11084
110852772
1108602:01:18,180 --> 02:01:19,500
11087lessons learned particularly the
11088
110892773
1109002:01:19,500 --> 02:01:21,240
11091character has been hardest to write for
11092
110932774
1109402:01:21,240 --> 02:01:25,320
11095me as brand and I think Branagh has been
11096
110972775
1109802:01:25,320 --> 02:01:27,150
11099hardest to write for two reasons one of
11100
111012776
1110202:01:27,150 --> 02:01:29,790
11103them is of all the viewpoint characters
11104
111052777
1110602:01:29,790 --> 02:01:32,700
11107he is the youngest so I have to
11108
111092778
1111002:01:32,700 --> 02:01:34,980
11111constantly go back and say okay I'm
11112
111132779
1111402:01:34,980 --> 02:01:36,150
11115running from a viewpoint of an
11116
111172780
1111802:01:36,150 --> 02:01:38,490
11119eight-year-old I would hate you I know
11120
111212781
1112202:01:38,490 --> 02:01:41,100
11123what's happening in this scene but would
11124
111252782
1112602:01:41,100 --> 02:01:42,600
11127an eight-year-old know what's happening
11128
111292783
1113002:01:42,600 --> 02:01:45,180
11131in this scene and would he understand it
11132
111332784
1113402:01:45,180 --> 02:01:47,360
11135or what he partially understand it and
11136
111372785
1113802:01:47,360 --> 02:01:49,590
11139how would he describe what's happening
11140
111412786
1114202:01:49,590 --> 02:01:54,150
11143what words would he use so that is a far
11144
111452787
1114602:01:54,150 --> 02:01:56,460
11147more artificial thing that requires me
11148
111492788
1115002:01:56,460 --> 02:01:58,860
11151to slow down and think about every every
11152
111532789
1115402:01:58,860 --> 02:02:01,020
11155sentence that I'm putting there which I
11156
111572790
1115802:02:01,020 --> 02:02:02,730
11159have when I'm reading about Cersei or
11160
111612791
1116202:02:02,730 --> 02:02:04,710
11163Tyrion or Jon Snow someone who's more
11164
111652792
1116602:02:04,710 --> 02:02:06,540
11167mature the other fact that it's
11168
111692793
1117002:02:06,540 --> 02:02:08,220
11171difficult about bran is of all the
11172
111732794
1117402:02:08,220 --> 02:02:10,320
11175characters he's involved in Game of
11176
111772795
1117802:02:10,320 --> 02:02:12,090
11179Thrones he's the one who's most involved
11180
111812796
1118202:02:12,090 --> 02:02:14,400
11183in what we can call magic for lack of
11184
111852797
1118602:02:14,400 --> 02:02:17,970
11187another word and fantasy requires magic
11188
111892798
1119002:02:17,970 --> 02:02:21,180
11191but magic is difficult if if you
11192
111932799
1119402:02:21,180 --> 02:02:23,190
11195mishandle magic you can wreck your
11196
111972800
1119802:02:23,190 --> 02:02:24,960
11199entire book you can make it make no
11200
112012801
1120202:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,930
11203sense whatsoever so you have to be very
11204
112052802
1120602:02:27,930 --> 02:02:29,850
11207careful where magic concerns so for both
11208
112092803
1121002:02:29,850 --> 02:02:31,890
11211of these reasons although I love the
11212
112132804
1121402:02:31,890 --> 02:02:34,290
11215character bran and he's obviously a very
11216
112172805
1121802:02:34,290 --> 02:02:37,020
11219important character he's tricky to write
11220
112212806
1122202:02:37,020 --> 02:02:41,030
11223and I have to be very careful with
11224
112252807
1122602:02:41,030 --> 02:02:42,240
11227awesome
11228
112292808
1123002:02:42,240 --> 02:02:44,250
11231sorry for the folks that didn't quite
11232
112332809
1123402:02:44,250 --> 02:02:45,360
11235get in here but we're gonna go ahead and
11236
112372810
1123802:02:45,360 --> 02:02:47,630
11239close it down all right final words
11240
112412811
1124202:02:47,630 --> 02:02:50,940
11243thank you again for coming out
11244
112452812
1124602:02:50,940 --> 02:02:53,220
11247I made some promises to some people so
11248
112492813
1125002:02:53,220 --> 02:02:54,990
11251those of you that were trying to get
11252
112532814
1125402:02:54,990 --> 02:02:56,460
11255Prince signed by me I said I was going
11256
112572815
1125802:02:56,460 --> 02:02:57,810
11259to run back up through the borderlands
11260
112612816
1126202:02:57,810 --> 02:03:00,900
11263era area and I'm gonna do that
11264
112652817
1126602:03:00,900 --> 02:03:06,210
11267if Riina's around me let me let me say
11268
112692818
1127002:03:06,210 --> 02:03:11,850
11271for those of you who want to hear more
11272
112732819
1127402:03:11,850 --> 02:03:15,090
11275you know Worldcon begins on Thursday and
11276
112772820
1127802:03:15,090 --> 02:03:18,650
11279you have Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday
11280
112812821
1128202:03:18,650 --> 02:03:21,480
11283and Monday
11284
112852822
1128602:03:21,480 --> 02:03:25,770
11287of panel discussions and signings I will
11288
112892823
1129002:03:25,770 --> 02:03:29,040
11291be doing signings if you didn't get all
11292
112932824
1129402:03:29,040 --> 02:03:30,870
11295your books signed here or whatever you
11296
112972825
1129802:03:30,870 --> 02:03:34,980
11299want it's fine I have three major
11300
113012826
1130202:03:34,980 --> 02:03:37,560
11303signings that Worldcon I have I think
11304
113052827
1130602:03:37,560 --> 02:03:40,350
11307one on Friday and one on Sunday and then
11308
113092828
1131002:03:40,350 --> 02:03:42,150
11311I have a wild card signing specifically
11312
113132829
1131402:03:42,150 --> 02:03:44,520
11315for wild cards on Sunday I think a
11316
113172830
1131802:03:44,520 --> 02:03:46,920
11319general signing so there's lots of
11320
113212831
1132202:03:46,920 --> 02:03:48,900
11323opportunity to get me to sign things I'm
11324
113252832
1132602:03:48,900 --> 02:03:51,120
11327doing a panel a memorial panel and
11328
113292833
1133002:03:51,120 --> 02:03:53,280
11331Gardner Dozois my dear friend I'm doing
11332
113332834
1133402:03:53,280 --> 02:03:56,430
11335that I'm doing a wild card panel John is
11336
113372835
1133802:03:56,430 --> 02:03:59,030
11339doing a bunch of things way too much
11340
113412836
1134202:03:59,030 --> 02:04:02,180
11343lots of stuff and they're an amazing
11344
113452837
1134602:04:02,180 --> 02:04:04,500
11347line-up of other authors they're
11348
113492838
1135002:04:04,500 --> 02:04:08,120
11351hundreds of them new authors old authors
11352
113532839
1135402:04:08,120 --> 02:04:12,450
11355every kind of in-between author so come
11356
113572840
1135802:04:12,450 --> 02:04:14,550
11359to work on it your books on
11360
113612841
1136202:04:14,550 --> 02:04:15,809
11363by stuff from the dealer's room buy
11364
113652842
1136602:04:15,809 --> 02:04:18,929
11367stuff in the art show and and I'll see
11368
113692843
1137002:04:18,929 --> 02:04:20,070
11371you there I'll see you hanging around
11372
113732844
1137402:04:20,070 --> 02:04:22,650
11375the parties yeah I'll saw be in the bar
11376
113772845
1137802:04:22,650 --> 02:04:24,360
11379don't come asking ask for an autograph
11380
113812846
1138202:04:24,360 --> 02:04:27,329
11383anymore but I'd be glad to talk to you
11384
113852847
1138602:04:27,329 --> 02:04:28,860
11387you know when you go to these the bigger
11388
113892848
1139002:04:28,860 --> 02:04:32,570
11391media media centric cons we're talking
11392
113932849
1139402:04:32,570 --> 02:04:37,050
11395sometimes 20 30 40 60 if you go to a
11396
113972850
1139802:04:37,050 --> 02:04:38,849
11399limo City Comic Con it's a hundred
11400
114012851
1140202:04:38,849 --> 02:04:40,889
11403thousand people you know these are huge
11404
114052852
1140602:04:40,889 --> 02:04:42,690
11407shows at a world con we're talking
11408
114092853
1141002:04:42,690 --> 02:04:44,099
11411what's the largest tense there's ever
11412
114132854
1141402:04:44,099 --> 02:04:45,329
11415been a world con like ten thousand
11416
114172855
1141802:04:45,329 --> 02:04:46,679
11419people something yeah something like
11420
114212856
1142202:04:46,679 --> 02:04:48,989
11423that so just in terms of that math you
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11427have a much better chance of being able
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11431to not just get autographs but actually
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11435have conversations with some of your
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11439favorite creators so they do have day
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11443rates at a World Con so you haven't been
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11447this is your town this is your chance so
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11451get out there again I'll be back there
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11455signing those last few prints for those
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11459people I promise and I think Reena had
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11463said we're gonna be signing these
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11467banners so as if we have to get to a
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11471paint pen or something from somebody in
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11475the back to sign these and then I think
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11479she's gonna be auctioning these things
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11483off and I know how that works
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11487don't ask me I wish I knew Reena are you
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11491in the house right now are you around
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11495no she's not all right on that note of
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11499question and doubt I guess we'll have to
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11503wrap this thing I do all for coming yeah
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11507thanks a lot everybody
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11511you
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11515[Music]
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11527you can subscribe to the SMSF podcast
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11535we're also on soundcloud at
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11547the podcast link
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11555this episode was produced by marin
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11559mcdonald edited and engineered by rusty
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11599for listening