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1	205 Comments
2##	2018-03-24T20:50:57+00:00	
3Companies prefer to hire from the outside because it's only a single role to replace so it's impossible to work your way up anywhere.
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5You're not getting paid to do a job, you're getting paid to fill the job role within the company. You're expected to do extra work for free and very often you're covering multiple responsibilities. If you're willing to do that for the shit pay you've taken then that's about as useful as you can be to the company.
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7jimmy_icicle
8##	2018-03-28T13:08:29+00:00	
9That's already happening. Higher specialisation is the only thing that stands a chance at keeping jobs in the economy. If we started today we'd only be about 30 years too late.
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11Instead companies have use high-skilled workers from EU countries rather than training them here.
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13jimmy_icicle
14##	2018-03-28T20:31:16+00:00	
15The working left can be all those things it doesn't matter. What matters is their prejudices against poverty.
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17jimmy_icicle
18##	2018-03-28T20:58:17+00:00	
19They ideologically oppose our ideology on the basis all ideologies but their own is flawed.
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21jimmy_icicle
22##	2018-03-28T21:21:13+00:00	
23Wish we aspired to better than a second rate consumer economy.
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25jimmy_icicle
26##	2018-03-29T18:40:16+00:00	
27We're just different people. Just split the country in two. We'll have the North, they can have the South. (That's when we ally up with Scotland and send waves of smack heads floating in to drive them all across the channel and in to France)
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2950/50 chance somebody will be offended by this comment. Further proof.
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31jimmy_icicle
32##	2018-03-29T22:18:24+00:00	
33The historical and cultural precedent for the systemic abuse of people of dark skin through hurtful characterization is relevant to the issue. Where as a racial characterization of a Jew wouldn't have nearly the same subtext of racial abuse. Antisematism in Britain is a much more complex issue, and a much more developed one in the context of our history.
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35It's just pointing fingers at thin air. I wish the subject could be approached more rationally but it's a witch hunt for a straw man. Once the papers have had their fill they'll find something else to throw at us.
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37jimmy_icicle
38##	2018-03-29T22:55:16+00:00	
39Wealth is condensed into high skill and the only justification people have is "It's fair".
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41Like the economy is beyond our control. Nope, it's not fair, it's just what they impose on our society to float their own one.
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43jimmy_icicle
44##	2018-03-30T08:53:20+00:00	
45The decisions have raised serious questions about the integrity of Labour's complaints process after a party insider told The Telegraph the disputes panel, which rules on cases of anti-Semitism and other wrongdoing, is being railroaded by political factions. The insider said some members of the panel, which are drawn from the party's National Executive Committee, will "defend any form of abuse if the person involved is perceived to be on their side of the party".
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47Lol welcome to the real world of politics.
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49jimmy_icicle
50##	2018-03-31T10:51:24+00:00	
51It adds to the factor of normalisation. What is the joke? He hates jews as much as Hitler? Is it juxtaposition? Corbyn is so much not a Nazi showing him as a Nazi is funny? Is it about the papers? Comedy is subjective, trying to discern meaning by reading into the subtext of the joke is an impossible waste of time, but this is quite mindless. He probably did just think it was funny in earnest, I can accept that for most people.
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53Social media is media. The platforms them selves are created to give people an audience. Something needs to be done because it's becoming a mess. It's not like the papers are ever held accountable either. But there's a definite detachment that comes with it despite it being quite a significant influence on society.
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55jimmy_icicle
56##	2018-04-02T01:19:40+00:00	
57Schooling is just bad, underfunded and lacks purpose. Education is treated like a means to it's self and we know that's not true, nor should it be honestly. Education really only gets you so far in anything, knowledge comes from experience in all forms, not just what you're told is correct. It's important, but it's not as rigid as our interpretations should be.
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59Why did schools even come to exist in the first place? Children copy their elders by nature, so why not take hold of that effect and drive our society forward? Instead we set the worst precedent possible by making it an authority vs an uncontrollable mass of bored idiots.
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61We should actually look at what works in out society and let education mirror that. Do away with Maths, Psychics, English ect and break it down in to activities that are filled with context before we introduce more abstract, complex and speculative sides to the subject.
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63jimmy_icicle
64##	2018-04-02T16:07:51+00:00	
65I think community involvement should be a large part of school. People who're paid ridiculous amounts of money for their jobs love to tell others how hard they work. How about showing kids what that consists of so they have an understanding of the world?
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67I'm not saying abandon schools, teachers and all forms of study. Just make it activity based and let kids learn a lot of what they can actually use in life.
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69jimmy_icicle
70##	2018-04-02T17:05:59+00:00	
71Indentured servant would be a more correct term as many people do just work for basic needs.
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73jimmy_icicle
74##	2018-04-02T17:22:10+00:00	
75Huge amounts of benefits are paid to people who're supposed to "fix the problem" and have only made it worse. I'd worry about those cunts first.
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77jimmy_icicle
78##	2018-04-02T20:28:13+00:00	
79Surely the same can be said of almost every person throughout history.
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81That's true.
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83The difference between our society and societies that accept slavery is the expectation of protection from these practices. Slavery covers any number of practices as slavery describes the relationship between classes not the specific conditions that were suffered.
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85jimmy_icicle
86##	2018-04-03T20:33:54+00:00	
87Effects of wealth disparity in capitalism.
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89jimmy_icicle
90##	2018-04-03T20:38:40+00:00	
91They'll be getting paid by moderates to spread this sort hate against the left.
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93jimmy_icicle
94##	2018-04-04T18:11:43+00:00	
95Accepting criminality as part of society is defeatist. I do find it strange how we can aspire for those things.
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97In the 49 seconds of their life I've been able to observe I'd assume they'd suffered much worse than having a motorcycle stolen, because that's most people.
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99For some reason it's much worse when it's people because they have the choice to not do dat. But they do do dat because they don't really have much choice.
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101jimmy_icicle
102##	2018-04-06T21:54:43+00:00	
103Because drug laws are bullshit.
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105jimmy_icicle
106##	2018-04-07T12:37:11+00:00	
107Who cares? The gender pay gap is like 5% where as the pay gap between classes is 80%. Poor women get all the support a modern society can provide, poor men get told to go die quietly.
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109jimmy_icicle
110##	2018-04-07T16:33:33+00:00	
111If that was true then why would they bother with these tactics?
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113jimmy_icicle
114##	2018-04-08T12:47:15+00:00	
115Labour is more inclusive of different political ideals so there's more division but diversity of opinions and ideas is supposed to strengthen democracy. Having to fight opposition within your own party is healthy for the party.
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117Anti-socialism being forced on us by Americanisation of our culture makes it hard to discern from genuine criticism of socialism and mindless attacks on what the media has skillfully built up to be 'the enemy'.
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119jimmy_icicle
120##	2018-04-19T18:07:29+00:00	
121I'd really just take a violent revolution. If things went right back to being exactly how it's always been I'd take it. But I have very little to live for in the long term so I'd take some Tories out with me for the glory of the working class people. We're the fucking shit and they're cunts. Let's get em!
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123jimmy_icicle
124##	2018-04-20T08:00:25+00:00	
125You have cause and effect backwards. Single parents are more likely to be poor. They don't cause poverty...
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127jimmy_icicle
128##	2018-04-22T13:47:00+00:00	
129You can do that anyway by applying for a vote by proxy. If not your neighbor would be taking a huge risk just to get an extra vote for their party.
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131jimmy_icicle
132##	2018-04-22T14:30:58+00:00	
133Cash in hand for jobs. I don't think you can get a gyro check anymore, but they usually have some option for people without a bank account.
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135You get paid money and you spend it. To a lot of people bank accounts mean debt.
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137jimmy_icicle
138##	2018-04-22T19:56:59+00:00	
139When you work cash in hand jobs (or get your money through criminal acts) in a poorer community you're very much dependent on favors and relationships with other people.
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141If you need money to fix something in your house or your car for example you might be compelled to borrow money for it. Alternatively you go direct to a company and they work out a payment structure which you would need a bank account for.
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143In a poorer community you'd find somebody who will do it for you and then you're only indebted to that person who won't use pressure tactics, who wont add interest or fees for late payment ect.
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145Because you grow up knowing these people or knowing somebody who knows them you don't really need a company to provide the things you'd commonly end up spending money you don't have on.
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147Having a bank account gives you the option to get into debt and it's very likely that you'll find your self capitulating to comfort when you could have just held out with no phone or transport or little money for food for a couple of weeks. Your emotional state could lead to decisions against your better judgement, I know I've fallen into that trap. With mismanaged it can compound make your financial position much worse.
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149jimmy_icicle
150##	2018-04-23T18:23:30+00:00	
151It's only man with the capability to challenge the natural order.
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153jimmy_icicle
154##	2018-04-23T20:43:07+00:00	
155You only need 5-10% of the group acting systematically to have a large enough majority to influence the people acting randomly. It's also obvious (but also has been proven scientifically somewhat) that being aware of emotional manipulation isn't enough to overcome it. For instance, somebody might try and make you angry. Knowing this doesn't make you immune to the effect.
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157Somebody can take a political issue, conflate it with an emotion or issue that will illicit a certain emotion that is statistically shown to change the behavior of a specific individual. If not you, your friends and family.
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159You're right society is fucked enough from over-consumption of media but this a much more powerful tool for manipulation. And it's still new technology it will get more aggressive unless people can stop it now.
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161jimmy_icicle
162##	2018-04-24T09:40:13+00:00	
163Tory genocide. They've built up the idea that the poor are subhuman and don't deserve the rights and privileges of a capitalist democracy. Now they're killing as a concequence of their final economic solution.
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165jimmy_icicle
166##	2018-04-24T14:25:51+00:00	
167Paying back debt is the least efficient way to manage it. We can't borrow money forever, but we can't not borrow money forever. Growth diminishes the real cost of what we owe and in a future generation what was billions to us will be millions to them.
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169jimmy_icicle
170##	2018-04-24T15:22:15+00:00	
171Yup. Been alone all my life. The list of things I'm good at is longer than the list of things I'm bad at. I can program, play any instrument I've ever had access too as well as mix music, I can draw, I can design, I can fix an engine, I can build a house. I have had initiative and motivation to better my self always. But that's never translated into any monetary effect.
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173All my middle-class friends have moved on and I've lost interest in being their friend anymore. Having to sit in their 200k home their dads bought them and hear about how I should do this and do that. They don't have a clue and it's tiring to explain because you end up in an interrogation where they're looking for the 'reason' I've failed. With 4 friends and their collective girlfriends and wives it's never a nice situation to be in with a group of people staring down at you with the hopes you can explain away the fact they've been very lucky and you haven't. I understand their sympathy, I do not want it however.
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175I hang-out almost exclusively with my working class friends now and my problem with them has always been the same. I'm smarter than them and it get's boring. Mostly I sit alone playing music and plotting my revenge against the world. When I'm not working manual labour for minimum wage. That was my choice though, I'd rather break every bone in my body slaving away than sit in an office surrounded by mouth breathers for the same pay.
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177jimmy_icicle
178##	2018-04-24T22:40:59+00:00	
179You can't protest a hospital as you can't refuse it's service. The anger is misplaced and nobody is interested in sorting it out.
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181They should be in the town center outside city hall at least it would get people to take them seriously. They've lost half of the city over their behaviors towards a service we are very lucky to have on our doorstep.
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183jimmy_icicle
184##	2018-04-26T09:02:08+00:00	
185The former can be politically effected and the latter has two centuries of capitalist protectionism giving it immunity to criticism.
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187jimmy_icicle
188##	2018-04-27T11:51:12+00:00	
189How is that relevant to privatisation?
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191jimmy_icicle
192##	2018-04-28T09:20:04+00:00	
193Death isn't humane unless you live until you're at least 70 and die peacefully in your sleep.
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195jimmy_icicle
196##	2018-04-28T22:51:07+00:00	
197I think they need more confidence to say stupid shit. It's a northern thing just to talk about nothing for hours. Sometimes you just float words out there to see what happens.
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199jimmy_icicle
200##	2018-04-29T16:25:37+00:00	
201Generally it's just wealth in the west diminishing equally because of rising demand for resources. But the rate at which people can make wealth (if they own the means) is still exponential.
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203jimmy_icicle
204##	2018-04-29T20:59:22+00:00	
205Opinions aren't actions in a democracy, judging them as such is a disruptive to free speech.
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207jimmy_icicle
208##	2018-04-30T11:47:36+00:00	
209Financial crises happened because banks were selling bad debt on, not because people had debt.
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211Buyers were scapegoated as per usual companies can do no wrong and all the negative effects got dumped on the poor.
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213jimmy_icicle
214##	2018-05-01T21:07:55+00:00	
215If you don't believe in society you invalidate your own governance. This is basically a roundabout way of saying "Government is bullshit, we're in power now so fuck everyone".
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217jimmy_icicle
218##	2018-05-06T13:09:29+00:00	
219I bet you shit your self when you watch a football match and the players start kicking the ball.
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221What part of "straight talking, honest politics" means "we're not playing politics". He's explicitally saying he's playing politics.
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223Using nationalist campaigns to separate political discourse in to two groups is a political strategy used by facists.
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225jimmy_icicle
226##	2018-05-07T07:57:32+00:00	
227For one there's no such thing as self determination as reality is dictated by more than will.
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229Secondly saying something racist is only illegal depending on context and the courts take that into consideration. Sadly "i was just being racist for attention" isn't a great defense.
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231jimmy_icicle
232##	2018-05-07T09:34:56+00:00	
233Hah okay you’re delusion if you believe that any politician would promise that.
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235jimmy_icicle
236##	2018-05-07T11:53:51+00:00	
237Extrapolating so much from a sound bite is sad just to discredit somebody who isn’t a threat and won’t ever be PM anyway according to everyone who isn’t a Corbyn supporter.
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239jimmy_icicle
240##	2018-05-07T17:32:32+00:00	
241Why do you believe people choose to do anything? Did you choose to type that comment? No you just did.
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243Arguing for people changing rather than creating new systems is like trying to argue your fire to stay lit rather than just add more fuel.
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245jimmy_icicle
246##	2018-05-07T21:01:40+00:00	
247When free speech spills over in to doing something you're no longer protected by it.
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249jimmy_icicle
250##	2018-05-07T22:16:48+00:00	
251Money usurps the need to have any redeeming qualities. Not that they don't have them but they're coincidental rather than applicable to their ideals. Ayn Rand just fills in the gaps of what they already believe with rhetoric. 'Personal responsibility' meaning "Responsible for only my self and nobody else' rather than 'Cultural and societal expectations of ethical good" as it is to normal people.
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253jimmy_icicle
254##	2018-05-08T01:49:16+00:00	
255Sadly you have to fight through soldiers before you can get to the leaders, even if you recognise their humanity. We can and should eradicate these ideas from the social consciousness as they've been artificially planted and cultivated to disrupt a democratic equilibrium.
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257History confirms this. Nobody can or should be able to use politics on an anti-society platform. What they're asking for is war and that's the conditions we're in. We're just haven't moblised against it, we're still trying to negotiate. But it only goes on so long eventually the push will happen.
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259The left-wing is very strong right now in Britain and it's getting stronger, they're a larger united force where as the right have sold out to corporate interests (in the case of the Tories) or sold out to foreign interests (every far right group). Their parties are packed with ghosts, too spooky.
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261Right-wing leaders simply don't care that's the amazing irony, and their idiots still defend them on principle. Yet Tories are afraid to identify them selves on the streets of Britain because they know the outcome.
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263jimmy_icicle
264##	2018-05-08T08:37:12+00:00	
265Students shouldn’t factor in anyway. You’ve got the value of your loan, your education, which sees you a return higher than you would get without it.
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267Where as if you have to borrow because you didn’t get enough hours this week then you lose the value of your loan, plus the money you didn’t earn plus interest. This is why poverty happens.
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269jimmy_icicle
270##	2018-05-08T16:46:30+00:00	
271Depends on your circumstance. If you could live with parents then yeah.
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273jimmy_icicle
274##	2018-05-09T14:03:02+00:00	
275The reason is that what the media were calling Labour out on was that they did absolutely nothing about specific antisemitic individuals
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277That’s still selectively applying media flak, all you’ve done is specify the criteria.
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279You claim the qualifying factor is whether it had been addressed in the party when we know that isn’t true.
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281If you sincerely believe that it is there is no hope for you.
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283jimmy_icicle
284##	2018-05-09T17:20:24+00:00	
285I'm disappointed in your approach to leaving the EU.
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287Remain doesn't exist and never has existed. It was the Tory party and a foreign backed fringe right-wing party that mysteriously appeared long enough to take any flak away from the Tories by riling up a bunch of racists.
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289The right-wing are allied in interest. The Tory party is allied with DUP and UKIP. They have active representation through them. This is not democratic and they've used this to push through Brexit. Multiple dimensions of collusion created Brexit. Nothing to do with Corbyn or Labour.
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291Labour has failed in opposing the Tories. They're not remain, they're not the stop Brexit party.
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293We already failed when idiots fell for media flak and they voted back in this shower.
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295jimmy_icicle
296##	2018-05-11T00:00:44+00:00	
297Thatcher said they're anti-society. Ie "Now society has given us what we need we intent to destroy it"
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299jimmy_icicle
300##	2018-05-11T08:18:33+00:00	
301I’m wondering why Corbyn hasn’t summoned us yet.
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303jimmy_icicle
304##	2018-05-11T13:28:03+00:00	
305As per Tories will downplay this as nothing to worry about. Equally Corbyn sneezed today and it might be he end of civilisation as we know it.
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307jimmy_icicle
308##	2018-05-12T13:28:01+00:00	
309Capitalism kills markets.
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311jimmy_icicle
312##	2018-05-13T21:40:27+00:00	
313The skills to be comfortably poor have been lost because they're replaced with material comfort of capitalism. Liberals emerge because they understand wealth generally falls in the wrong hands but they believe the class dynamic is necessary.
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315In a way they're forced to want to be millionaires because it assures comfort and security. That's the wall you need to scale to be content, but it's enabling the greed of people that keeps building it higher.
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317jimmy_icicle
318##	2018-05-14T14:23:29+00:00	
319Capitalism isn’t a market vacuum it the power structure and heirarchy of wealth that create issues.
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321All we can say for certain is greater societal and personal freedom has led to greater prosperity. Capitalism ticks over into authoritarianism and huge disparity as evidence by the present
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323We succeeded in spite of capitalism.
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325jimmy_icicle
326##	2018-05-14T20:08:29+00:00	
327Why're you so obsessed with this hypothetical scenario? My nearest pub is micro brewery which is mostly young couples and groups of friends. Likely they have a sense of humour because oppressive right-wing standards didn't crush their humanity into a cube of shit.
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329jimmy_icicle
330##	2018-05-14T21:24:35+00:00	
331Supporting a position by virtue of not supporting either is a false dichotomy. Usually we stay away from nationalism for this reason as it forces assumptions based on this faulty premise.
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333jimmy_icicle
334##	2018-05-15T10:08:13+00:00	
335Socialism is the left everything else is just less right. None of them endorse socialism so none of them are left.
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337jimmy_icicle
338##	2018-05-15T17:19:30+00:00	
339When I was younger of my friends looked up strategies online and ended up destroying us in the early game but rather than go bankrupt I sold all my properties to other players so they could form monopolies, and they basically acted against him so he would definately lose. He ended up rage qutting.
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341jimmy_icicle
342##	2018-05-16T08:04:15+00:00	
343People can't save for retirement because they're busy saving to buy basic needs that should be assured by society anyway.
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345jimmy_icicle
346##	2018-05-16T08:50:20+00:00	
347Workplace pensions are to ease pressure on the state pension. We’ll be in the same position except people will receive less having paid more and the retirement age will be much higher
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349jimmy_icicle
350##	2018-05-16T09:22:02+00:00	
351No people with money already can save for retirement. People with not enough money save to buy food and clothes and shelter.
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353Pulling quantities out of your arse isn’t a strong premise. A vast majority agree that your generalisations are bullshit.
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355jimmy_icicle
356##	2018-05-16T10:50:59+00:00	
357Nope it makes us responsible for paying of the debts of the last two generations through tax while we pay additional costs to secure a less lucrative retirement than the one they’ve gotten for free.
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359jimmy_icicle
360##	2018-05-17T12:35:01+00:00	
361Because you can make a lot of reasonable assumptions based on peoples tone and demeanor as you can be certain they respect basic social constructs that allow our society to function easily.
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363Fear of foreigners for this reason exists as a psychological consequence of our social tribalism. Capitalists will ignore this as secondary effects are inconsequential as long as the primary effect, having wealth inflated by capitalism, is maintained.
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365jimmy_icicle
366##	2018-05-17T12:55:22+00:00	
367"This is good for Britain" Ie "This is good for middle-class Londoners"
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369jimmy_icicle
370##	2018-05-17T12:54:19+00:00	
371Migrants being a net contribution should be the minimum. If it wasn't why would we let in any foreign workers?
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373If we do it to simply fill gaps then we're reducing demand in the market just to suppresses wages and destroy incentive for companies to train and sponsor their own employees.
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375jimmy_icicle
376##	2018-05-17T13:30:39+00:00	
377I can't speak for other peoples motivations and I can't rationalise acting one way over another but on the most basic level people are being logical. They're applying logic that is applicable to them and their experiences.
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379The only thing that makes logic universally true is it's mathematical certainty, but that is rare. So what are people to do when that certainty isn't apparent?
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381jimmy_icicle
382##	2018-05-17T14:01:04+00:00	
383If I was King I'd invade Normandy as payback.
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385jimmy_icicle
386##	2018-05-17T22:34:22+00:00	
387Capital dependency is high because of a consumer economy but money is highly centralised and as a result artificially scarce.
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389jimmy_icicle
390##	2018-05-18T09:34:10+00:00	
391A child doesn’t enter the workforce trained and educated. Plus they’re subject to the same competitive forces that drive our own economy. Foreign workers will choose the UK because they have something to gain in exchange due to economic differences they’re allowed to exploit.
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393There’s not anything wrong with this but those differences are subject to change.
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395jimmy_icicle
396##	2018-05-19T11:31:55+00:00	
397https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5492308/
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399Furthermore, within the most utilised method, intentional drug overdose, ‘Serious Suicide Attempt’ (SSA) was rated significantly more often for males than females (p < .005).
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401jimmy_icicle
402##	2018-05-19T11:33:29+00:00	
403Women are prone to dramatic outbursts. Suicide is usually planned it's rarely followed through on spur of the movement feelings of depression.
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405jimmy_icicle
406##	2018-05-19T11:37:53+00:00	
407I've never been caught stealing, the police are a joke and filled with bellends. The laws are written by an elite class I don't respect them.
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409jimmy_icicle
410##	2018-05-20T12:17:11+00:00	
411That identity is an embarrassment to everyone in the country who doesn't conform to it.
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413jimmy_icicle
414##	2018-05-21T17:51:36+00:00	
415Isreal is a joke, people who support it are supporting conflict for the next 100 years at least. Jews need to have their exception, everywhere they go they're special because everyone was on the wrong side that war somehow. Fuck off and integrate you insular gang of conservative pricks.
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417jimmy_icicle
418##	2018-05-22T16:14:54+00:00	
419That's the problem with centralist parties. Without the looming threat of socialism there's nothing to hold conservatism back. The economy observed in a vacuum will always favor capitalism.
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421jimmy_icicle
422##	2018-05-22T16:33:03+00:00	
423Collages have open days you can apply for any. Also you can do an access course to University but there might be age requirements (usually 19 but not always).
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425There's also open university and lots of online courses you could try.
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427jimmy_icicle
428##	2018-05-22T20:55:53+00:00	
429Liberals have their own party, they want to ruin Labour as well.
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431jimmy_icicle
432##	2018-05-24T17:21:21+00:00	
433Acid is a layman term for any substance with a strong ph.
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435jimmy_icicle
436##	2018-05-24T23:00:06+00:00	
437HR is a toilet. Middle-management will get a warning dispensable workers will be isolated and forced out of the company.
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439jimmy_icicle
440##	2018-05-25T08:59:12+00:00	
441Completely corrupt. They have no internal democracy, they’re a coporate entity that steals power though nafarious tactics and sells off their powers to the highest bidder.
442
443jimmy_icicle
444##	2018-05-26T12:16:33+00:00	
445Yeah it's not all gravy for us trades people. I've been in it for a few years. The work is hard and often as the least experienced I do most of the heavy lifting. On top of that you get abuse for everything, literally anything.
446
447I want to get to that point, in this industry at least you can definitely say people earned it to be in that position. I've seen multiple cases who inherited or just been handed businesses and ran them in to the ground because they had no work ethic.
448
449Others have been doing it so long they make it look effortless. There's no getting around the need for high levels of skill and dedication.
450
451jimmy_icicle
452##	2018-05-30T14:42:03+00:00	
453I don't drink but I smoke weed. Constantly getting shamed for not drinking as well at restaurants when you ask for water. If it's a decent place it's usually fine but more hipstery places act as if you're stealing from them.
454
455Side note I hate those places not because of the terrible price-to-quality ratio but the air of prideful inferiority. They think they're breaking the mold because it's unmarked down some alleyway and it's completely decorated with chipboard and egg boxes. The menu's are printed on to the table because innovation and all the food is served precariously on a piece of wood.
456
457jimmy_icicle
458##	2018-06-03T12:10:44+00:00	
459They were fabricated by foreign money to campaign for Brexit so the Tories could keep their noses clean. They did their job and faded back into obscurity.
460
461Global capitalist conspiracy to rob every nation of it's culture and individuality and make it a grey factory of slaves.
462
463jimmy_icicle
464##	2018-06-04T11:05:41+00:00	
465Russia is mercenary used by the stateless wealthy globalites as a proxy.
466
467jimmy_icicle
468##	2018-06-04T13:18:05+00:00	
469Their politics were put on sale after the cold war.
470
471jimmy_icicle
472##	2018-06-04T13:51:51+00:00	
473It's self-evident, they're a part of the global market. Votes go for a nice price and Russia have no accountability like most conservative regimes.
474
475jimmy_icicle
476##	2018-06-04T17:25:01+00:00	
477Anything that can be measured is real. What can be measured is money coming to and from Russia as well as an exchange of resources.
478
479The assumption you're making is this conspiracy has some sort of hierarchy or order beyond the artificial power and wealth division between classes.
480
481jimmy_icicle
482##	2018-06-05T08:29:45+00:00	
483Speak for your self. The middle class would be fucked because they’re dependent on capital. The poor have no capital so unless food becomes an issue financial collapse would be little difference .
484
485jimmy_icicle
486##	2018-06-05T08:41:00+00:00	
487Do you really need evidence that the wealthy conspire to maximise their profits?
488
489jimmy_icicle
490##	2018-06-05T09:59:43+00:00	
491Yup an exchange of recourses and military powers have nothing to do with the stock market.
492
493jimmy_icicle
494##	2018-06-06T16:57:20+00:00	
495So you're not voting for a left-wing party because a right-wing party through bribery and collusion with foreign states forced through a policy you don't like with no plan and no good reason rather than blind nationalism.
496
497Yeah there is no point because people already fucked up by believing the Tories are a real political party and not just the stateless elite out to extract as much wealth as possible from the people of this country.
498
499jimmy_icicle
500##	2018-06-06T23:04:46+00:00	
501If God exists humans are incapable of quantifying it. All interpretations are equally valid but the most valid ones keep an open mind and a broad definition of God. God is the universe. God is forces of nature. God is waves. God is light.
502
503All those things drive our existence so they have a logical end-point of certainty. By the best human definition they are God, we're in no position to deny them that title.
504
505The question comes to be then what about an conscious God? Even as somebody who respects science above all else I believe it's a possibility that a conscious being created us and created our universe but that's quite underwhelming. It was just some thing and it may or may not have a hand in our existence through some seemingly omnipotent means.
506
507jimmy_icicle
508##	2018-06-07T08:26:28+00:00	
509Conservative parties back the lack of corporate accountability. It’s legal because the country is bought and sold through the Tory party.
510
511That doesn’t mean they all don’t deserve to be slaughtered for their constant malicious and violent attacks on people’s livelyhoods.
512
513jimmy_icicle
514##	2018-06-07T09:07:19+00:00	
515Should have stepped off a bridge.
516
517jimmy_icicle
518##	2018-06-07T15:01:04+00:00	
519People didn't really vote for it though. Tories pushed it through to fuck us, it's the MO with conservatives. Everything is a monkeys paw. They're indoctrinated sociopaths.
520
521jimmy_icicle
522##	2018-06-07T18:56:56+00:00	
523Tories never say the exact opposite of what they actually want, they're such honest cunts.
524
525jimmy_icicle
526##	2018-06-07T18:59:21+00:00	
527Except all the bribing and colluding to push through Brexit as hard as possible with no plan and no clue on the flimsiest of mandate makes me think that doesn't matter even if it is true.
528
529jimmy_icicle
530##	2018-06-07T21:53:00+00:00	
531Proof is reality, the Tories have nothing but hostile and violent intent towards the poor as they're a mechanism of the corporate takeover of all western politics.
532
533Hiding behind layers of deception makes proof pointless, you either believe one way or the other by this point that's a consequence of the system you probably think is good and I oppose.
534
535jimmy_icicle
536##	2018-06-08T17:43:34+00:00	
537Tory party protects pedophiles, Thatcher was notorious for covering up child rape. But keep making shit jokes about Labour and Corbyn as if that has anything to do with me. It doesn't.
538
539jimmy_icicle
540##	2018-06-09T12:41:43+00:00	
541People die from poverty so the rich deserve to die for their wealth.
542
543jimmy_icicle
544##	2018-06-09T16:39:24+00:00	
545Choice isn't an important factor in either case.
546
547jimmy_icicle
548##	2018-06-10T21:47:27+00:00	
549Living with anyone they didn't elect to would downgrade their quality of life.
550
551jimmy_icicle
552##	2018-06-10T21:53:11+00:00	
553Trying to find an alternative is the alternative.
554
555jimmy_icicle
556##	2018-06-10T22:01:08+00:00	
557Capitalist intent is programmed in to people. If you shun it you're financially and socially isolated.
558
559By it's own design capitalist intent is essential to success. Unless you can break the threshold of financial security you're better of leaving it behind.
560
561jimmy_icicle
562##	2018-06-13T23:02:38+00:00	
563Liberals put the Tories in power and now they're mad a socialist they've been super-critical of isn't bending to their expectations. It's ironic but the opposite, ie, exactly what you'd expect to happen.
564
565jimmy_icicle
566##	2018-06-14T15:44:11+00:00	
567They know for a fact they don't have a stake in society. There's no feelings involved they've obviously doing what they have too.
568
569jimmy_icicle
570##	2018-06-14T22:00:17+00:00	
571A lot of criminals are non-violent and just good at criminality. There's an obvious advantage to being underhanded and having skills that contribute to that fact and they're rewarded by the system. Sometimes it's legitimised by law sometimes it isn't, there's no difference other than class division driving perceptions of how people should behave.
572
573People still exist without the state, the only driving force of yours or anyones submission to it's authority is the power difference between the individual and the state. The actual fact is people are born here and have a natural right to exist here, and theoretically the government could boot you off the island but in reality that's not going to happen.
574
575At no point have these people consented to the states involvement in their actions as they don't extract money from parts of the economy regulated by the state. So why should they ever bend to the will of our laws?
576
577They have no reason too. So I don't blame them, I really don't. The alternative is sad. Exploiting your power to be here is no worse than what any other cunt does to extract value from society. Immigrants don't have that means so they don't have the choice.
578
579jimmy_icicle
580##	2018-06-14T23:38:31+00:00	
581They don't apply until they've been caught. Where as somebody already implicit with the state, a bank account, employment history, tax records ect will feel the effects of the law much more than somebody who purposely avoids these things.
582
583Criminals can go their whole life without facing any sort of jail time if they're good enough criminals.
584
585jimmy_icicle
586##	2018-06-15T08:23:31+00:00	
587Don’t forget having to queue for bread. Sitting in traffic two hours a day is much better for some reason.
588
589jimmy_icicle
590##	2018-06-15T17:44:30+00:00	
591Conservatives will always argue that people need to be punished for their decisions beyond the consequence of them, it's a cornerstone of their ideals...well as long as you're poor and not related to anyone important. If it is a choice to not have a job then not having a job means you have no structure, no purpose, no disposable income, no access to capitalism or any of it's benefits and you're ostracised from most of society.
592
593They argue that not only do you deserve all that but you should be actively harassed in to getting a job (no matter the expense), shamed and demonized as well as have to sit in the smallest space possible inhaling only the nutrients you need until either you buck up your ideas or your brain melts to mush and you're physically incapable of working at all.
594
595jimmy_icicle
596##	2018-06-15T18:03:55+00:00	
597High distribution of capital vs low distribution. Both are socialism according to the capitalist world, yet when the rich people do the latter it's fine, totally nothing to worry about...
598
599jimmy_icicle
600##	2018-06-20T16:39:19+00:00	
601The stateless elite make a game of disrupting the necessary processes that support our society. All spanners and no sense.
602
603jimmy_icicle
604##	2018-06-21T17:00:10+00:00	
605Nope in the past we could afford to do things and not have to stress about money or food or living arrangements. Now we can afford to have a thing maybe while we're also in debt.
606
607Dependence on money is greater than ever without community to support each other.
608
609jimmy_icicle
610##	2018-06-21T19:40:49+00:00	
611It's inherent to capitalism. People have sold out to the system and it justifies the system working against them. If you're working class you'd abandon comfort for freedom. If you're middle-class you cling to the belief this is good despite whatever abuse you have to put up with because they've never seen the alternative.
612
613jimmy_icicle
614##	2018-06-21T21:40:24+00:00	
615We keep the armed forces mobile and try to give them fighting experience, it's necessary to defense. All aspects government could be viewed in the same way as demand is as constant as population growth. There's never an option to spend less on these things as you can't assume any kind of efficient exchange. Wealth fuels power it needs to be there if you want it.
616
617jimmy_icicle
618##	2018-06-22T16:32:20+00:00	
619Nah, They've always meant the same thing but now they don't. It's dumb but the concession is fair and there for a reason.
620
621jimmy_icicle
622##	2018-06-23T10:59:49+00:00	
623Middle class have a very funny way of dealing with issues caused by poverty. Hire 20 people for the special task force and start throwing shit at the wall. When something sticks even a little bit call it a success and let the poor people deal with the fallout of their stupid often violent and ineffective ideas.
624
625jimmy_icicle
626##	2018-06-23T13:37:30+00:00	
627It wouldn't matter if they did leave because of the value of recourse we'd free up by getting rid of them would be significant for us. Yes overall a bigger number would leave and small number would remain, but that smaller number would be put in our hands instead of theirs.
628
629If we can use political action in capitalism to get a leg up, an unfair advantage and to just out right rob people we'd be playing by the same rules they are.
630
631jimmy_icicle
632##	2018-06-25T17:21:31+00:00	
633Capitalism is looking very weak right now, their leaders are petulant children of comfort. Obviously capitalism is always strong, but people are losing confidence in it. The wealthy doing their best to make sure if and when it all goes tits up we have nothing to fall back on.
634
635jimmy_icicle
636##	2018-06-26T08:29:32+00:00	
637Absolutely but as a matter of marketing it looks a mess.
638
639jimmy_icicle
640##	2018-06-26T08:28:29+00:00	
641Stop being a bitch. Labour are a democratically representative party their mps have the freedom to act independently.
642
643jimmy_icicle
644##	2018-06-26T19:19:23+00:00	
645You were dead on originally then. Jeans in a warehouse aren't ideal but he wont actually be working yet so it's fine for now. He'll be filling in a bit of paper work, maybe watch a safety video, do a test on basic safety skills (these are a mindfuck btw the questions are simple but answers are always stupid), a tour of the warehouse ect.
646
647The training is chill so he shouldn't worry but when he starts the job make sure he gives it 100% from the get go. They notice that stuff in a warehouse. He'll get easier and better jobs (I was taken off picking in my second week to help load the trucks), better treatment and more leniency if he can establish him self early.
648
649jimmy_icicle
650##	2018-06-28T07:59:18+00:00	
651You can add value to stuff, by importing or digging up something of low value and turning it into something more valuable. Steel is valuable. An ironing board, weight for weight, is more valuable.
652
653You missed an important variable there. Thousands of years of human exploitation. There's value in our lives and in the effort we expend is a recourse. But obviously the elite class don't see it that way.
654
655If any of what you said was true none of that money would go to buy luxury items. When people stop acting like rich cunts then the worker will accept the economy is intrinsically abusive and needs to work this way. Until then let's do everything to put these cunts in their place.
656
657jimmy_icicle
658##	2018-06-28T15:34:57+00:00	
659Yes the one singular economic and cultural tangent that American capitalism has given us permission to maintain is under threat by American capitalism. The rest of Britain is already long gone.
660
661jimmy_icicle
662##	2018-06-28T15:53:08+00:00	
663They're not human. To be human you have to have self-awareness and empathy. They're an offshoot of humanity called rich cunts and they're out to kill us all.
664
665jimmy_icicle
666##	2018-06-28T18:17:31+00:00	
667They'll get it that's for sure.
668
669jimmy_icicle
670##	2018-06-29T16:27:13+00:00	
671Then go cry somewhere else.
672
673jimmy_icicle
674##	2018-06-30T12:51:51+00:00	
675Minimum wage is set for full employment.
676
677jimmy_icicle
678##	2018-06-30T12:53:49+00:00	
679You're not anywhere close to it. "We" insinuates you're part of that group. You're not.
680
681jimmy_icicle
682##	2018-06-30T13:23:59+00:00	
683Minimum wage against full-time employment is a reasonable benchmark for the floor value of how much money you need to earn in a given week. If the total value is below what you need to live you're in poverty. If you lower the amount of hours you receive in a week below full-time employment you're more likely to be in poverty.
684
685jimmy_icicle
686##	2018-07-01T11:30:32+00:00	
687"Just take on the global capitalist order by your self that we all shit on you for opposing except in this one specific case were you might be useful to us"
688
689God the middle-class, stop sitting on your arse bitching and create your own leaders.
690
691jimmy_icicle
692##	2018-07-02T17:04:18+00:00	
69390% of information is rendered obsolete in 50 years of time. People of our generation are different because we don't hold information to a high standard.
694
695There are opinions, there are facts. We could devise some system for balancing them (it already exists - game theory/economic theory) but the old, conservative, leaver, stupid cunts rather maintain the one hallmark institution of feudalism that capitalists demand must always exist - or else!
696
697jimmy_icicle
698##	2018-07-03T08:10:49+00:00	
699You get free productivity from workers if you treat them well, but this level of extra effort is something companies think they're entitled too.
700
701jimmy_icicle
702##	2018-07-03T17:24:23+00:00	
703Welcome to the capitalist system. 14 of you have been selected in to the "token middle class" the rest of you enjoy the fucking jungle.
704
705jimmy_icicle
706##	2018-07-04T17:51:13+00:00	
707If you take any a Tory says at face value you're a fool.
708
709jimmy_icicle
710##	2018-07-05T17:54:04+00:00	
711Political leanings are a luxury of a material class. We have no choice, we will not tolerate Toryism.
712
713jimmy_icicle
714##	2018-07-09T14:29:36+00:00	
715Tories will use any excuse to maintain their corrupt and compromised party for the stateless elite who want to suck Britain for. I don’t care about the economy I hope these Tories are ripped to shreds.
716
717jimmy_icicle
718##	2018-07-11T14:13:41+00:00	
719Conservative don't believe in ruling by consent.
720
721jimmy_icicle
722##	2018-07-17T15:24:22+00:00	
723Companies that were the backbone of the economy before that died because middle-class interests destroy local business for the inflated wage and cheap goods of global capitalism.
724
725jimmy_icicle
726##	2018-07-22T16:57:30+00:00	
727Close, it's a trick used by the ruling classes. The alt-right have just fell for it hardest.
728
729jimmy_icicle
730##	2018-07-23T17:55:46+00:00	
731We should just reinstate fuedalism at this point, we'd be better of turning in to the skid instead of trying to convince the middle-class they're fucked.
732
733jimmy_icicle
734##	2018-07-24T21:25:16+00:00	
735She had charisma if your definition of charisma doesn't involve being likable in any way,
736
737jimmy_icicle
738##	2018-07-24T22:11:53+00:00	
739Religious people are often politically conservative so it's not a demographic he should really be concerned with.
740
741jimmy_icicle
742##	2018-07-25T17:18:13+00:00	
743A lot of people liked her politics, as a person she's a gremlin of a cunt.
744
745jimmy_icicle
746##	2018-07-25T17:27:57+00:00	
747Conservatives as no different. They hate any culture that doesn't submit to capitalism as an authority.
748
749jimmy_icicle
750##	2018-07-27T15:27:56+00:00	
751"My white middle-class point of view is original and relevant to every issue"
752
753jimmy_icicle
754##	2018-07-28T11:53:40+00:00	
755Now you know how others feel having to share a country with a class a nobs. We get it, you appreciate the classic arts but you also support Arsenal, we just don't give a shit.
756
757jimmy_icicle
758##	2018-07-31T16:46:43+00:00	
759People hate being poor because it's illegal to not be middle-class.
760
761jimmy_icicle
762##	2018-07-31T21:17:05+00:00	
763Money is scarce in the lower classes but the point of capitalism is to have your needs serviced by the economy rather than the community. There is a dependency on money as a function of the system yet conversely we're are expected to be skilled and capable at providing for our selves when this system fails.
764
765jimmy_icicle
766##	2018-08-17T14:29:23+00:00	
767He's a socialist, and socialists don't conform to the conservative standards enforced by the media establishment.
768
769jimmy_icicle
770##	2018-08-17T14:48:31+00:00	
771Working people isn't working class. Those who's parents "worked" them selves out of "poverty" (a very sustainable poverty, nothing like the rock bottom poverty we see now) who are reaping the benefits of a good education and plenty of opportunities are just as removed from the community as the wealthy.
772
773jimmy_icicle
774##	2018-08-17T15:17:30+00:00	
775Your argument is that they pay a higher proportion of tax relative to all the tax paid in the country which is utterly meaningless because you're taxed in proportion to what you make as an individual.
776
777But it's nice that when poor people have excess it's stolen from them from the middle-class, and when the wealthy have excess the middle-class throw them selves in to the line of fire to protect their masters profits.
778
779jimmy_icicle
780##	2018-08-18T01:23:57+00:00	
781They just despise these people enough to put them through a hell you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy but the questionable number of deaths is mathematically insignificant. Nothing to see here.
782
783jimmy_icicle
784##	2018-08-23T14:26:47+00:00	
785All the right is far-right. They all hate humanity. They're just selective and tactical in different ways. Like all religion and capitalism they're broken in to sects and companies but the source material is the same. Money > People.
786
787jimmy_icicle
788##	2018-09-06T15:01:30+00:00	
789The same way the midde-class tell us to integrate with people who value a quid sent back home over a bar of soap. Integration has never worked in the history of humanity. One culture pushes the other out and that's it, there's no magic middle-ground.
790
791jimmy_icicle
792##	2018-09-06T15:06:24+00:00	
793All trade was invented by the wealthy capitalists and since then things have gotten better for everyone and if they haven't it their own fault. TM
794
795jimmy_icicle
796##	2018-09-07T15:25:42+00:00	
797You're such a victim hah.
798
799jimmy_icicle
800##	2018-09-07T15:30:53+00:00	
801"I just perpetuate a system of abuse how dare you hate me for it".
802
803There's nothing political about it. We hate your culture, we hate who you are, and we hate most of all the fact you think you're all exempt just because you don't get your hands dirty.
804
805Take some responsibility and grow some balls you shower of fannies.
806
807jimmy_icicle
808##	2018-09-07T18:04:49+00:00	
809If you weren't a Tory you'd potentially be a normal person. That is some logic I can get behind.
810
811jimmy_icicle
812##	2018-09-07T18:19:23+00:00	
813Your middle-class sensibilities means you can't understand how hatred is a natural response to abuse. Even your reply stinks of "I'm a little bitch with nothing else to say".
814
815jimmy_icicle
816##	2018-09-08T00:13:33+00:00	
817A hospital full of cancer patients doesn't make cancer normal. It violates the expectation of normality, something that is observable and consistent. Basic human decency being the thing people expect in this case, Tories don't believe in it when it comes to politics, that's their choice.
818
819jimmy_icicle
820##	2018-09-08T11:22:35+00:00	
821It will. Socialism requires an enlightened populous that can take responsibility for it's self... Capitalism has conditioned us to depend on capital, when there is none we don't default to depending on our selves or each other. Natural selection will take over.
822
823jimmy_icicle
824##	2018-09-09T12:24:45+00:00	
825You're describing a middle-class person. It's almost as if you don't have a clue what people who aren't middle-class have to do.
826
827jimmy_icicle
828##	2018-09-09T15:56:01+00:00	
829Saving is intrinsically bad for the economy.
830
831jimmy_icicle
832##	2018-09-09T16:27:58+00:00	
833Fresh food spoils quickly so more trips to the super market and more waste - longer lines and waiting after work, less motivation to go buy and prepare fresh food when you're fucked and annoyed. More money on transport. Most people have time constraints.
834
835It takes more time to prepare fresh food (unless you go by trained TV chef top of his field times of 15-20 minutes). You need to actively cook for at least an hour, prepping to cooking to serving. Unless you literally eat raw veg. Were as frozen and fried is instant and you can multitask while you're watching kids, cleaning the house, getting your stuff together for tomorrow ect.
836
837You're forgotten the main fucking component of peoples diets PROTIEN. Veg is cheap, but we're not fucking rabbits. I get headaches, fatigue and illness from going without eating meat for even a couple of days. I eat a lot of frozen fish and quick fry steak, which is the best compromise I can find on price and ease. Even then it puts the price of what I eat up considerably.
838
839These people have the Jamie Oliver delusion where they think economic circumstances can be overcome through some magical process that only the middle-class are smart enough to realise, without the economy adjusting to put people right back were they started. The nature of capitalism is just that, if we were a socialist country with focus on the community it probably could be overcome. If meat is cheap it will sell out quicker. If you want more for less you need to be able to store it. If you want to eat fresh veg every day you'll have to out your way to get it. The price of eggs, milk and butter are on the rise. You need a diverse set of equipment that will deteriorate with age and need to be replaced. If it's cheap equipment it will deteriorate more quickly meaning a greater time investment to replace it more often.
840
841Not everyone had the time and money to invest to learn to cook. So add in the cost of all the failed shit you prepare because you got sick of eating raw cabbage every night.
842
843This is just their thinking, we've come to expect it. The economy and all of capitalism is out to fuck you but it's your fault for being fucked.
844
845jimmy_icicle
846##	2018-09-09T16:38:48+00:00	
847Saving is spending and will create jobs, spending is saving as you'll get greater returns, spending is spending because you've exchanged money and saving is saving because you've saved and spent, but not saved some of it but spent the rest.
848
849Very simple, I don't get why poor people are so bad at this.
850
851jimmy_icicle
852##	2018-09-17T18:55:26+00:00	
853From their 95% white communities the middle-class tell us we have no right to communities that don't integrate people who hate us and don't want to integrate.
854
855jimmy_icicle
856##	2018-09-24T16:13:56+00:00	
857Socialism is just the most efficient means to create the most optimal sum of human capabilities. It changes with the wind what the best practice would be.
858
859jimmy_icicle
860##	2018-09-25T14:24:11+00:00	
861People make a choice to ignore these issues. Inaction on an issue is a choice someone has made. He chose to ignore this issue until it became serious, and he chose to end his life following it. People have agency and a level of personal responsibility is kind of necessary to being a functional adult in our society.
862
863We're a society when people fail, but when they succeed it was the golden individual and their mighty personal achievemnt.
864
865There's no consistency to these ideals because they're made up by cunts on the spot to justify the destruction of the community in place of the a superficial society, a material culture and a group of humanity out to squeeze the majority for what little wealth they have whether it effects their health or not.
866
867Then add in the corruption, indocternated hatred of the poor and the blatent conflict of interest that exists at every level of society.
868
869People and workers make it work through their suffering and hardship and the fuckers who shove money up their arsehole and pretend their shit is made of gold are the ones who enforce a society severed from the individual or the community.
870
871A lonely, mental health afflicted, cancer ridden sub-class and a magicial never-do-wrong, has-all-answers but no solutions class of wealthy cunts.
872
873jimmy_icicle
874##	2018-09-25T22:03:09+00:00	
875Definately worse. Hitler's evil more or less stopped at his death. Thatcher and her ilk have persisted.
876
877jimmy_icicle
878##	2018-09-26T20:58:35+00:00	
879Liberal/centralists/non-conforming get scared when conservative standards are challenged. When we offer alternatives based on logic, observation and just hard science they still shit their pants.
880
881jimmy_icicle
882##	2018-09-30T00:56:20+00:00	
883Is it capitalism or democracy at work when people do their best to create a hostile environment in order to give them selves a competitive edge? Is racism justified in capitalism if we do it for the purpose of giving our selves an advantage?
884
885jimmy_icicle
886##	2018-10-01T20:49:56+00:00	
887Capitalism before country is an attack on the state.
888
889jimmy_icicle
890##	2018-10-03T07:43:00+00:00	
891Many a true word spoken in jest. They try to hide behind satire but for it to qualify it needs to be juxtaposed against actually having an opposing character which they don't. Young children understand this concept so some wobble-headed cunt has no excuse.
892
893jimmy_icicle
894##	2018-10-03T07:45:24+00:00	
895They have so substance as human beings, no balance to their character which is important when you live closely with others and have to act as a society not so much when you're taught you're above everyone else by default.
896
897jimmy_icicle
898##	2018-10-03T18:27:30+00:00	
899Gather round and see insults that supposedly used to insult people used by somebody devoid of all sense of humour. Amazing to see in the wild, especially in written text.
900
901jimmy_icicle
902##	2018-10-04T08:31:00+00:00	
903Bullshit, people’s brains are 99% the same, distinctions are small and trivial. Population growth leads to a higher demand eventually caused by divergent and covergant specialisation. Ie you can mix skills to create a new skill or more specific skills lead to higher diversity of specialisation.
904
905No specific skill ever becomes obsolete. There’s still stone masons ffs.
906
907jimmy_icicle
908##	2018-10-04T09:32:18+00:00	
909DNA is hard coded which is why we churn out consistently ‘avarage’ humans, what makes the difference is development. Our brains are versatile but essentially identical.
910
911jimmy_icicle
912##	2018-10-04T10:17:15+00:00	
913I didn’t disagree with you and I haven’t made any outrageous biological claims just integrated hard fact into a philosophical argument. If you dont want an intellectual discussion then don’t engage people in one.
914
915jimmy_icicle
916##	2018-10-04T16:43:12+00:00	
917Never been true anyway. There's a economic order in capitalism or any economy or theoretical economic system. Neo-liberalism just had the luxary of having the wealth of a balanced economy based on worker fulfillment and financial prudence. Our grandparents (or great) really made it work, they worked endlessly and would holiday and spend modestly within Britain (less efisis on nationalism, it's just frugal and retains recources)
918
919Neo-wankism came along and now people do fuck all and jet around the world like it's nothing. There's no value to this sort of vapid and materialistic existance because it makes on one side self-obsessed people and on the other those who're sick of their shit.
920
921Driving a wedge through society is fiscal responsibility the way socialism is murdering jews. Competely missing the fucking point because you believe in WILL OF THE PEOPLE before NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE.
922
923Which is why any 'successful' person will put their 'success' down to 'their hard work' (like 90% of the rest of us don't work hard) rather than simply circumstance, forces of the economy and most of all the enormous and intricate systems that support their success.
924
925jimmy_icicle
926##	2018-10-05T11:44:05+00:00	
927Mine is I move jobs every 6 months. A year at the most. Right now I’m on the longest run of employment I’ve ever had and that is borrowed time because then owner is running the business in to the ground.
928
929So I could leave now and run up more debt, get a new job and run up debt waiting for the first payday which is often deferred by a couple weeks so I’ll always be behind anyway or do what I can to save as much as possible in this job and hope it lasts long enough to be worthwhile.
930
931Before people jump on it I can hold down a job, I just can’t tolerate shitty workplaces for very long, which is most of them.
932
933jimmy_icicle
934##	2018-10-06T15:35:58+00:00	
935I wont be paying tax this year. The mob kicked my sister of disability so my boss is going to split my wage with her on his tax forms which puts us both beneath the threshold.
936
937jimmy_icicle
938##	2018-10-06T15:43:12+00:00	
939Cool more meat for me.
940
941Seriously though I can't eat dairy or tomatoes, vegetarian isn't an option for me unless I get a significant pay rise.
942
943jimmy_icicle
944##	2018-10-06T18:40:00+00:00	
945He's my great uncle through marriage and he's a top guy but a nightmare to work with tbh. Very callous, hand him the wrong end of a nail and he loses his nut.
946
947jimmy_icicle
948##	2018-10-10T18:26:10+00:00	
949The statistics stands out as abnormal because it is abnormal for a mental health issue to be a leading cause of death in any group.
950
951There's not just one statistic, rationalising away one statistic does nothing but attempt to normalise the issue, the fact you felt the inclination to do so really brings in to question your intent.
952
953"Your dad might be dead but don't worry you've still got a mum. That's 50% of your parents still alive kids!"
954
955You see how fucked up that is right?
956
957jimmy_icicle
958##	2018-10-11T07:34:47+00:00	
959Conservatives very much believe in elitism so don't bother taking this bait.
960
961They'd never believe that hierarchies form based on consent and consensus and it's the unworthy who take power and abuse it. Rather they assign them selves to the fascist sentiments that there's some inherently and genetically 'special' about those who rise to the top, and those people deserve to take power and abuse it.
962
963It's a false meritocracy as opportunity bias and blatant nepotism tend to be the deciding factors, nothing about capabilities.
964
965jimmy_icicle
966##	2018-10-13T13:59:23+00:00	
967We've traded what was substantial for what is material. The west is a failed economy kept afloat by cheap labour which in turn destroys any right to be self-realised as a worker.
968
969The consolation offered by the wealthy is that a fixed percentage of us can achieve financial independence but the majority will be living their life dependant on the capital generated by our effort. Those with power will abuse that realtionship, steal from us our culture and we as people are shunned, ridiculed, hated, called out in the media, attacked by politicians and murdered by religious zealots and political enemies in return. The wealthy sit on their thrones, and celebrities and used are living monuments to the insecurity we all share about the existential failure of our society.
970
971But that old chestnut "we have avocado iPhone washing machines" will be used to suppress our understandable and should be acceptable need for purpose.
972
973jimmy_icicle
974##	2018-10-13T14:43:50+00:00	
975Liberal misogyny from the middle-class. They want to show how superior they are by taking up a non-conforming platform, by taking up a non-tangible position they're immune to criticism from both sides.
976
977Being offered rationalisations on a plate helps them reconcile this with their lack of will to act. Ie, they're lazy because their parents have always done the work for them. This is not just millennials, this is entitled people all the way up to their 50's.
978
979jimmy_icicle
980##	2018-10-13T17:05:17+00:00	
981The working class don't have this problem. We either vote for Corbyn because we like him or we vote for Labour in spite of him.
982
983The middle-class want politics to conform to their whims without any input of effort and diminish the efforts we've done to put Corbyn in that place. When confronted on it they fall back on the right-wing propaganda that's been fed to them.
984
985That's what they're used too, everything being done for them.
986
987jimmy_icicle
988##	2018-10-13T17:07:04+00:00	
989Easy to diminish the efforts of others when you don't put in any effort your self.
990
991jimmy_icicle
992##	2018-10-13T18:41:50+00:00	
993Doesn't capitalism entitle us to gain a political advantage over a class that's lower and less wealthy than ours?
994
995jimmy_icicle
996##	2018-10-13T18:40:34+00:00	
997Egalitarianism only applies to the poor then. Equally I can just shack up in a wealthy community and nobody will take issue?
998
999jimmy_icicle
1000##	2018-10-13T18:48:59+00:00	
1001Different frames of reference. It's a generalisation, who is middle-class is unspecific but the same patterns form when you see somebody who's critical of Cobyn but also arguably middle-class. They believe their politics are better, both sides are basically the same and the right-wing propaganda is enough to make them not vote for Labour.
1002
1003jimmy_icicle
1004##	2018-10-14T13:24:48+00:00	
1005They're making a conclusion based on values not fact. Which within a political context is a fair thing to do. An analogy would be in poker you can't see the other persons cards but you can read their face.
1006
1007We don't know the Tories plan but we're sure of their intent. The point of politics is to project your intent to the people and policy sadly is secondary. If this paradigm didn't exist you'd have a valid argument. The Tories have projected this intent to their opponents and we work on that basis.
1008
1009jimmy_icicle
1010##	2018-10-14T13:31:02+00:00	
1011The Tories have projected this intent to their opponents and we work on that basis.
1012
1013What you're doing is false concern. Why would you care if the opponents of the Tory party are working under false pretenses?
1014
1015Even if we are wrong there's value in the action of making sure this is not what they're doing. Can you agree to that? Everybody says they're not going to war right up until they start loading the tanks and marching through your country. Does this mean we take down all precautionary measures?
1016
1017jimmy_icicle
1018##	2018-10-14T13:39:54+00:00	
1019They've projected this intent to their opponents. I can't speak for their supporters but obviously different frames of reference will gives different view points.
1020
1021There's obvious precedent when it comes to other neo-liberal parties and generally just their dogma. It's guessing, it is, I wont deny that, but a lot of politics and life means guessing at the intent of your opponents so you can act before it's too late.
1022
1023Not everything is black and white, people who put everything in those terms tend to have ulterior motives or have some sort of personality disorder.
1024
1025jimmy_icicle
1026##	2018-10-14T13:42:35+00:00	
1027"Tories put more stock in opinion poles done well before election than any labour voter"
1028
1029jimmy_icicle
1030##	2018-10-15T19:46:37+00:00	
1031You’re not worth my time. You’re a very sad person and I’m comfortable knowing that.
1032
1033jimmy_icicle
1034##	2018-10-15T20:00:21+00:00	
1035Who’re you doing this for?
1036
1037jimmy_icicle
1038##	2018-10-16T16:56:21+00:00	
1039The class conflict is causing more mental health in the working class than anything. We're under constant attack for our values and for our observations on how we're being treated in society, on top of the recursive abuse and the increasing degeneracy in consumerist culture...it's no wonder.
1040
1041We're treated like shit for trying to be good people. It's not much to ask for respect but we're not even given that.
1042
1043jimmy_icicle