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1Chronology: 2001 Onward - Data Only
2The following is a full length chronology of data only, composed of online content, messages from Venue magazine and the internet, email excerpts, and excerpts from news or archival links thereof, but lacking in additional notes describing events online and off or explanatory comment. What is included here is restricted to hard data recorded at the time, intercepted since or extant online or in the public domain. The chronology is summarised by year with a list of events online, off, in media and in news, providing some background information. Minimal swatch images from pertinent photographs or media have been included as GnuPG encrypted data that can be decrypted to jpg image format by saving to textfile and decrypting using the passphrase PASSWORD. The same images can currently be found at: https://postimg.org/gallery/2fiaq9fkw/
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52001
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7Online
8First access to the internet with an AOL free trial account; private online activities
9Exchange on Inertia Records website message board in October
10Response in Venue Magazine messages, e-card from "Jane" and porn spam
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12Offline
13Knifepoint mugging early one morning at Berkeley Road in Bishopston, including car ride and knifepoint cashcard crime; mention of pub in Henbury by thieves, all divulged to police
14Visit to Milan and Florence in summer
15Repeat verbal abuse on streets following Inertia website exchange
16Visit to London during Christmas and contact with various relatives, including those later seen in messages
17Death of Toby Pascoe (unknown to me until 2002) 
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19Media
20Release of Super Troopers (Fox Searchlight, 19.1.2001), AI: Artificial Intelligence (Amblin Entertainment, Stanley Kubrick Productions/Warner Bros., DreamWorks Pictures, Paramount, 29.6.2001), Kiss of the Dragon (StudioCanal, EuropaCorp/20th Century Fox, 6.7.2011), Zoolander (Village Roadshow Pictures, VH1 Films/Paramount Pictures, 28.9.2001) and The Fellowship of the Ring (WingNut Films, The Saul Zaentz Company/New Line Cinema, 19.12.2001)
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22News
23Operation Blue Orchid, a joint investigation between US and Russian authorities, breaks a child porn ring in Russia
24September 11th attacks on World Trade Center buildings in New York, US
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27BBC: Former Student Jailed for Christmas Day Murder: 9 February 1998
28http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/54914.stm
29https://archive.is/TdPsu
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31BBC: Diana Crash was a Conspiracy - Al Fayed: 12 February 1998
32http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7251568.stm
33https://archive.is/O6QmS
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35BBC: Women Force Removal of Koestler Bust: 29 December 1998
36http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/244230.stm
37https://archive.is/XURx
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39WSWS; Sweden Continued Eugenics Policy Until 1976, by Steve James: 19 March 1999
40http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/03/euge-19m.html
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43Spring 2001
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45BBC: Bomb Blast Outside BBC: 4 March, 2001
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47http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1201273.stm
48https://archive.is/5Mql
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50BBC: International Child Porn Ring Smashed: 26 March 2001
51http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1244457.stm
52https://archive.is/Naai 
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55Inertia Records message board: November 2001
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60Subject; message for Luke
61Author; Jack of all trades [ 194.164.156.27 ] (jack@alltrades)
62Date; 11/13/2001 11.38.35 AM (Teusday 13 november)
63Dear Luke I am worried about you. Do you live in a dark basement where small butterflies proliferate? Do you eat fellow humans? If I was Josee I had a restaining order put out on you now and would be too scared to go on stage ever again. Still you seem to like good music so you cant be all that weird. Josee is mine for ever, and mine alone Good Luck with your life 
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65Subject; message for Luke
66Author; luke [ 194.117.133.196 ] (horus@myself.com)
67Date; 11/13/2001 3.31.02 PM (Teusday 13 November)
68really? you're worried about me, how sweet. thanks for your concern. no, no basement, no small butterflies, sorry. and no, i'm a vegetarian. No need for the restraining order, or avoidance of stage appearances..although i am upset, yes, by all means. yes i like good music, and i'm a drummer [roland-v; yes very nice, thanks] but i don't listen to the 'residue' album, by choice. yours and yours alone you say...? how odd. i recall josee making a remark to me to the effect that a woman is not a possesion..i would have thought she would differ. 
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70Subject; message for Luke
71Author; jack again [ 194.164.156.27 ] (jack@jack)
72Date; 11/14/2001 6.15.10 AM (Wednesday 14 November)
73there's a scary nerd nutter in the house it seems - lock up your kids or prepare to encounter little Malachi(aka Luke) from Children of the Corn
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75Subject; madness,lyrics n time
76Author; Josee [ 194.164.156.29 ] (www.inertia.co.uk)
77Date; 11/22/2001 9.21.27 AM (Thursday 22 November)
78so there i was thinking i had my very first stalker,when it clicked:Luke ...i hope u find what u're looking for!the lyric is"u shoulda listened to marley when u were running away..."u read too much into stuff by the way.too much time on your hands me thinks!???nice to know people r affected by my ramblings but -still! shout going out to all u inertia heads u make me smile,he he he!!... 
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80Keyphrases: Jack, butterflies, eat fellow humans, nerd, nutter, lock up your kids, Children of the Corn, he he he. 
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83December 2001
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87Venue magazine #511: 17 December 2001 - 11 January 2002
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90I Saw You at Bohemia. I once saw you on the door, you never seem to be there anymore. Give me a call. 
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92I Saw You at Bohemia. You were the little Ausie girl who never stops chatting. Come and chat to me one day. 
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94I Saw You at Creation. Red haired barman, think his name is Chris, we dance under the spot light. Would like to do more....!
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96I Saw You at The Works 1st Dec - Jenny - Southmead nurse - you were with your friend Rachel - you said you'd stay till the end then I lost you. I'd really like to see you again - Phil. Box No 3031
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98I Saw You at E-Shed. Brunette Princess from above, I think you are or were the manager of E-Shed. You grabbed my nuts, I hollered, yeah baby. 
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100I Saw You at Watershed. You had seductive blonde split ends and a walkie-talkie, a dominant manner. Call me. Box No 3041
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102I Saw You Lucy. At the vodka section in Tesco, and then asleep, snoring like Darth Vador! Stop dreaming about snogging Madonna you perv! Love Amanda and Clarissa xxx Box No 3042
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104I saw you at Watershed. Bex my little pink binty lets run away from work and go to Paris. Box 3046
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106I Saw You at Park Street. Long Blond hair, big black trousers and a hoodie. We know your not a panda but it's gayo for life! Box No 3049
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108I Saw You outside E-Shed. Cheep white trash watching porn & loving every minute of it. 
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110I Saw You at E-Shed. Psycho ozzie barmaid, you tried to rape me, I ran, now I need therapy. 
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112I Saw You coming at me at some speed on Redland Road Monday 3rd Dec @ 3.45pm. Me , Green Peugeot, You blue/purple ?? car. Was dazzled by your headlamps and by your smile. I'd pull over for you again! Box No 3056
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114I Saw You. Instantly, chemically, I faltered to fall in love, unattainable Pandora. My love knows of absences more, expressive in the promise of hope, than there is in any presence. Mr Paranoid, Paranerd, Paradox... 
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116I Saw You at E-Shed. Goofy afro head bar tart, yo' fly. Wanna be my bitch? Heard you're a cheap cocksucker...
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118I Saw You at E-Shed. On your birthday with a crack whore ya pikey bird. Box No 3034
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120I Saw You at Barristas @ 4am. Your dreads reaching down your arse. Thanks for the good time. keen to do it again soon.... Starstruck chick Box No 3035
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122I Saw You on Saturday 8th Dec. Wearing a union jack beanie in E-Shed, thought you were really spunky!
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124I Saw You at E-Shed. You were a really hot looking DJ. I think your name is Ben. I only come in here tonight to see you!! email me now!! R.ROLLINGS@hotmail.com
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126I Saw You at the BBC party in Kickers. I was dressed as a mass of staples and sellotape, you came as a siren. Banged into you outside the toilets and told you I felt sick - you didn't seem to mind or run off. Didn't catch your name - should've. Promise not to puke. Box 3036
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128I Saw You in the motorway service station on the M4 (westbound) past Reading. You were sat alone drinking coffee (about 1am on 10/12) and smiled at me as I tried to get the coffee machine to work. Haven't a clue where you were going - or if you're going to read this. Want to know where you came from. Box No 3037
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133Online
134Switch from AOL to Compuserve account
135Return to Inertia website
136Postings and reaction on children's band website; exchange on Inertia website with persons appearing to be Josee and Sophia; first noted presence of same on Venue Magazine website
137Email contact with one of the participants in exchange, called 'Sarah', and alleged 12 year old with same name on children's website and via email contact
138Threatening messages noted in Venue Magazine messages
139Transfer onto Laing forum by Luciano and Josie Muldowney; notable spam, including Time Travellers, Russian personals, Luciano variants, Blairite.com, security weaponry, etc. 
140References to vandalization of allotments in Venue Magazine messages
141Transfer to IRC with Poetgirl; transfer to suspect messenger contact in Harsh Singhal; email contact
142Transfer to Jung Page forums, Billy Cobham website and guestbook; Italian, credit and cards, child abuse, poltical and racial themes
143Messages in Venue Magazine referring to others, past acquaintances and family members
144Virus infection from email from moral conservative group; Kelz_32 worm discovered on harddisk in early 2003; installation of firewall and noted activity
145Fake children's band website and threatening lyrics posted to Inertia website at end of year
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147Offline
148Continuing abuse in streets; argument overheard nearby and abuse from car, paint damage to car
149I encounter Eugene Byrne on Gloucester Road, apparently recognising me
150Vandalization of nearby allotments in Redland
151Phone contact with Sophia and denial
152Notable graffiti seen on outskirts of Bristol; visit to Italy
153Attack on house
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155Media
156Publication of Y: The Last Man by Brian K. Vaughan (DC Vertigo, 2002) 
157Release of Imposter (Dimension Films, 4.1.2002), Resident Evil (Constantin Film, New Legacy Films, Davis Films, Impact Pictures, Capcom/Screen Gems, 15.3.2002), Minority Report (Amblin Entertainment, Cruise/Wagner Productions, Blue Tulip Productions, Ronald Shussett/Gary Goldman Productions/20th Century Fox (US), DreamWorks Pictures (Int), 19.6.2002), Below (Dimension Films, Protozoa Pictures/Miramax Films, Dimension Films, 11.10.2002), Black and White (New Vision Films, 31.10.2002), 28 Days Later (DNA Films, British Film Council/Fox Searchlight Pictures, 1.11.2002) and 8 Mile (Imagine Entertainment/Universal, 8.11.2002)
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159News
160Operation Ore child pornography investigation is launched in the UK in May, based on the databases of the US Landslide portal and investigations of Dallas police 
161Cherie Blair is controversially linked to conman Peter Foster through the purchase of two flats in Clifton, Bristol, termed "Cheriegate" by press; Foster is later claimed to have been a target of phone hacking activities during investigations into the News of the World in 2012
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164January 2002
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167Venue magazine #512: 11 January - 25 January 2002
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170I Saw You - family at the Farm pub. Thanks for a wicked New Years Eve. You kept me warm in a sub-zero tent. Hope to see you again in 2002. Box No 3128
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172I Saw You at Bohemia I think they said your name was 'da fox' - does that mean you have an especially bushy tail? Your green eyes stunned me from the minute you stood behind the bar. I want you.
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174I Saw You at The Watershed. You were wearing a yellow BENCH T-shirt, cut off at the sleeves. You're J Lo looks have captured my heart, You're the most beautiful girl I've ever seen. Box No 3108
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176I Saw You at Coronation Pub Southville. You pull the pints on Fridays your name Is Julie. I've been known to stare at your heaving cleavage and been on the receiving end of your foul tongue (joy) lets meet up and vomit together in a gutter of your choice. Box No 3109
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178I Saw You Collette At Naval Volunteer Xmas Eve. Me Steve with hunched shoulders! Can't find you in yellow pages - would very much lIke to see you again - phone no. or email please? Box No 3118
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180I Saw You in Clifton. With a polar bear, a nut-brown hare and a kangaroo... will you be mine today, tomorrow and or a little longer too? Box No 3119 
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182I Saw You at The Watershed You were wearing a pink basque. My eyes popped out & you nearly did tool Box No 3113
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184I Saw You off Gloucester Road - in the early hours of 2002 - a big muscular, balding man was holding back your hair as you vomitted. You apologised as I walked past - said I didn't mind in the slightest. Chatted to your (I assume) boyfriend for a while, but it was you who made me laugh. If you fancy making a new start for 2002 - get in touch.
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186I Saw You at The Watershed Girl in black trackie bottoms with sexy hair thing. Love ya! Box No 3114
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188I Saw Your reflexion in a crisp bowl, holding my hair like a hero. U busy next new yr?
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190I Saw You at Quay Bar Ex blonde now brunette if you want to be Darla, I'll be your Angel. Box No 3107
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192I Saw You at Bohemia. Phwoar! Hot bar chick at Bohemia with the blue beaded necklace. You rule my adolescent testosterone - fuelled life. Pour my pint anytime! Love Matt CJ x Box No 3104
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194I Saw You dancing to Scratch Perverts at Blue Mountain. You in Incredible Hulk T-shlrt, me in green Acid Casual top. You are the most beautiful girl in the world. Please get in touch. Box No 3120
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196I Saw You at Byzantium Drummer boy. I was the blonde diggin' your vibe. If you'll be my Richie Sambora, I'll be your Heather Locklear. Note, your performance was a cymbal of our lust. Drop me a line and I'll teach you some rhythm. Box No 3122
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198I Saw You at Ether 30/11/01. Nice cardigan and furtive knee touching. Liked you hair cut and taste in travel destinations. The cold-handed, warm-hearted woman. Box No 3123
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200I Saw You at Free Party In Matlock, Derbyshire 22.12.01. can't remember much; you might be Tom, you are from Cornwall and live in Bristol but I think you leave to travel soon? I'm moving to Bristol on my own in next week or 2 so hope to catch you so you can show me around? Hope you remember me. E.C Box No 3125
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202I Saw You, the naughty mermaid on New Years Day. Me: ruined sailor boy, dashed against the rocks of your blue planet. Dazed & confused, making no attempt to escape, even though the water was rising. PS you smell of haddock.
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204Keyphrases: family, Farm pub, warm, sub-zero; Bohemia, da fox, bushy tail, green eyes; yellow Bench T-shirt, J-Lo, most beautiful girl I've ever seen; Coronation Pub Southville, Julie, heaving cleavage, foul tongue, vomit, gutter; Naval Volunteer, Steve, hunched shoulders, yellow pages; polar bear, nut brown hair, kangaroo; pink basque; big, muscular, balding man, holding back your hair, vomitted, boyfriend; black trackie bottoms, sex hair, Love ya; crisp bowl, holding my hair; Ex-blonde, brunette, Darla, Angel; Bohemia, Phwoar, blue beaded necklace, adolescent testosterone, Matt CJ; Scratch Perverts, Blue Mountain, Incredible Hulk, green Acid casual, most beautiful girl in the world; Byzantium, Drummer boy, blonde, Richie Sambora, Heather Locklear, cymbal, rhythm; Ether, hair cut, travel destinations, cold-handed, warm-hearted; Matlock, Derbyshire, Tom, Cornwall, Bristol, travel, remember me, E.C; naughty mermaid, ruined sailor boy, rocks, blue planet, water rising, haddock. 
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207April 2002
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210Inertia.tk teen band website guestbook: early April 2002
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213First Name : Luke 
214Age : 28 
215Comments : Actually quite a cool site. Well done Dan. Intersting er art and stuff... 
216What kind of socks are you wearing? : None 
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218First Name : micky mouse 
219Age : 1690 
220Comments : i hate taigs, muslims, pakis,fenian lovers, yaps 
221What kind of socks are you wearing? : traffic cones from the P.S.N.I 
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223First Name : Dan 
224Age : 14 
225Comments : im gay. i cant help it all my friends influence me. before each practice we all gang bang 
226What kind of socks are you wearing? : condoms 
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228First Name : Dan (The bassist) 
229Age : 14 
230Comments : Dan, we share the same name!! How cool is that? Still, can I ask what your band is called as the arrangement seems a rather odd, Homosexual thing. And could I also ask if you are related to micky mouse? The reason I ask is because you two seem to have som 
231What kind of socks are you wearing? : Free range 
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233First Name : Dan (The bassist) 
234Age : 14 
235Comments : As i was saying, something in common-you are both dickheads. Or perhaps you are the same, psychopathic person? But one thing is for sure, You are an idiot 
236What kind of socks are you wearing? : Holy shit!! Theyve stolen em! 
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238First Name : George Bush 
239Age : 74 
240Comments : i look like a monkey and i hate pakis 
241What kind of socks are you wearing? : al quaeda socks knitted by osma nanny 
242coca-cola or pepsi? : coca pepsi 
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244Keyphrases: Dan, mickey mouse, taigs, pakis, muslims, fenian lovers, yaps, P.S.N.I, gay, gang bang, psychopathic person, George Bush, monkey, pakis, al quaeda, osma nanny, coca pepsi. 
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247Inertia Records message board: April 2002 
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250Subject; Re; Mesage for Dan 
251Author; Not Luke or Dan [ 213.253.18.197 ] (tweedledeeee@hotmail.com) 
252Date: 4/9/2002 12:20:38 PM 
253Okay - what ever day job Luke has, he really should consider creative writing. Now - i have a lot of free time at the mo and often peruse this site but i never have the time/mental energy/blah blah to write essay's (admitted, this one is going that way) what do you do all day luke?? hmmm the mind boggles. I think Dan & Luke should be locked in a room with one another for a couple of weeks so we can all see who comes out with missing limbs. But i guess i kind of like the rants or else i wouldn't be here either, me thinks its a case of the kettle calling the pot black? 
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255Subject; a word from the afterlife 
256Author; queen mum [ 213.253.18.197 ] (queenmum@hotmail.com)
257Date: 4/9/2002 12:39:57 PM 
258well my little trusty servants, I have made it to heaven in one piece - well the teeth were f**ked years ago, i have made my piece with that awful girl diana and am just off for a new blue rinse. Before i depart i just wanted to know if someone could send me lots of good records, obviously i know that as my ever loyal subjects none of you will mind footing the bill. On another note, before you all get cross IT WAS NOT MY WISHES to have such a fanfare for my funeral. I mean honestly with the poverty in this country it's shameful to spend tax payers money on horn blowers, soldiers etc. But that bloody phillip always has his way and he does rather like a big fanfare. Well the blue rinse is calling and i'm dying to try out a tracksuit after 60 years in horrible yellow suits. God bless you all Queenie Mummy. 
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260Subject; Mesage for Dan 
261Author: Not me or him [ 194.117.133.196 ] (threedledoh@hotmail.com)
262Date: 4/9/2002 3:59:23 PM 
263That's 'pot calling the kettle' me(unnecessary space) thinks. What an interesting identity paradox, hiding behind the negation of (not) two peoples names...(???) I wouldn't consider anything I've written on this site an essay or a sample of creative writing; perhaps you type slowly or have a poor reservoir of mental energy, 'blah blah'. At five minutes visiting this website hardly takes all day, but I know how exhausting that boggling can be so I sympathise. It's interesting the way you single me out. Perhaps I should give you a reason,. But you shouldn't tempt me, someone might get offended or lose a limb. 
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267Subject: Mesage for Dan 
268Author: not him or me [ 213.253.18.197 ] (still@hotmail.com) 
269Date: 4/11/2002 7:29:58 AM 
270pots, kettles, frying pans, HUMOUR oh and the obligatory loss of limbs. Hiding behind not just one name but two affords me the biggest chuckle all day, and i take my hat off to you for recognising what all around me have yet to discover - my poor reservoir of mental energy. If you could give me some pointers i could escape my slavery to colloquialism's and poor language skills. What do you do? I seriously want to know. Either way i stick to my original point which is (excuse the fawning) that you do write well, and it is often very amusing and sometimes very poignant. If creative writing offends you then apologies! 
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272Keyphrases: tweedledeeee, missing limbs, pot black, queen mum, blue rinse. 
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275Email from lucanian@@hotmail.co.uk to tweedledeeee@hotmail.com: 11 April 2002
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278From: lucanian@hotmail.com
279To: tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
280who are you? 
281Thu, 11 Apr 2002, 12:30 pm
282Who are you? why did you post like that on the Inertia message board? Josee doesn't own a computer and that was a different IP to the one she used before...and she doesn't type like that. Whoever you are I hope you realise I've been inundated with communications from people claiming to be Josee or just sending me weird e-mails with names like hers and from addresses that just go dead when I reply, or getting messages from people I've never spoken to from message boards I haven't been on and that kind of thing. 
283Why are you having a go at me? Most people on that board just ignore my presence except Dan. 
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286Inertia Records message board: April 2002 
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289Subject: Me 
290Author: You [ 213.253.18.197 ] (you@hotmail.com)
291Date: 4/16/2002 10:34:22 AM 
292Well what can i say? You have made me smile! I am particularly fond of your intrigued but cautious, overly metered and ridiculously word-play ridden response. As you say on the internet it is always about words, it would be folly to attempt to conduct an emotionally honest dialogue because as human beings we are highly subjective and interpret 'words'. Phrases and thoughts such as i love you can appear more significant in text rather than in speech. You can speak freely with a person in person because you are interacting and can 'bounce' off that person, with email or postings you are putting something out that is harder to refute because it is there is black in white, whereas in a conversation you can explain what you mean further (also known as swiftly backtracking) perhaps I'm fond of speech rather than words and i mean meaningful words because some people are raised to communicate frequently and often you will see a group of people talking all at the same time and yet they are listening to everyword - some people find this confusing and do not undestand how you can talk and listen, but it is a well honed skill. It is the certainty of words on a page that can be disconcerting. I've now digressed from the point completely, another thing which drives people round the bend! So on that note i shall change the subject completely - what are your feelings on Earl Zinger? Apologies to all who read this and feel disappointed that it is not particularly witty, but more of the ramblings of someone who spends all day working on their own! but it's just not one of those days. 
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296Subject: Mesage for Dan Dan 
297Author: Dan [ 213.104.128.127 ] (mycomputerisonfire@hotmail.com)
298Date: 4/17/2002 5:05:13 PM 
299Well, just to let you know - i have not read all the overly long messages left on the board as I have not the time nor the patience. I would like at this time to thank luke for his defence of myself and my associates (he knows what i mean) Goodnight. 
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302Venue magazine website, I Saw You: Approx. 26 April 2002
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305on saturday (20/4/02) i saw you at bristol's fashionable-yet-scummy thekla....you looked the same (dashing) and i always look stunning (as usual)and we talked rubbish (i was drunk) and you made my life complete again. you are my hero. you know who you are.....(heeheehee)
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307Keyphrases: scummy, dashing, stunning, rubbish, drunk, hero, heeheehee. 
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310Email from lucanian@hotmail.com to tweedledeeee@hotmail.com: 28 April 2002
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313From: lucanian@hotmail.com
314To: tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
315is that you? 
316Sun, 28 Apr 2002, 10:30 pm 
317Is that you going back to the message baord again and again and again? I swear someone's repeat visiting. I've been back there a few times today and it's had like, 110 hits...I'm sure those are rehits. 
318I'm sorry for ranting Josee. I was upset. I thought i'd never see you again. Sorry about that rant on Dan's board. Did you see that. Some fool was having a go at me. I wasn't 'taking the piss', in the simplistic sense, just being silly, which is the whole point really. I can't tske posting on message boards very seriously. I don't like it. I don't understand what's going on. Is this actually you? 
319I don't know what to do now. 
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322May 2002
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325Emails from tweedledeeee@hotmail.com; 3 May 2002
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328From: tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
329To: lucanian@hotmail.com
330How bizarre...(re. Hahahaha - 10 out of 10)
331Fri, 03 May 2002, 10:28 am
332Hello Luke, 
333I'm definately not Josee but you appear to think i am or are sending emails to both of us. This is a hotmail account i hardly ever use and have just checked it and have got rather a lot of emails from you About 10? - I'm pretty sure we have never met) I have visited the Inertia message board before but i haven't posted anything that i'm aware of. So i hope your heart and head are doing well, and if you want me to send you your mails so you send them to the person they are intended for just let me know. It's all a bit bizarre. 
334Take care 
335Sarah 
336
337From: tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
338To: lucanian@hotmail.com
339oops! ( re. words on a page)
340Fri, 03 May 2002, 2:45 pm
341Hi LUke, just read through your emails and realised what has happened - i did post onto inertia twice (small fib because i didn't understand the link between my postings and your emails) but didn't realise my email was accessible - but i posted only to enquire about you because i was curious. I then replied (the apology posting) on list because i didn't intend to upset/offend you - because i've never even met you. You must of replied to me at this account and then somehow decided i am josee (another person i have never met). I recognise words on a page but because i wrote that a long time ago it has onyl occurred to me alter today as i sift through my new found inbox popularity! So hope this makes sense, sorry to disappoint - i'm not josee or anyone who matters in your life. Take care sarah 
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343From: lucanian@hotmail.com
344To: tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
345Re; oops!
346Sat, 04 May 2002
347Sarah, hi. I am sorry, I do apologise. I read your kind e-mails this morning. There seems to have been a bit of a mix-up. How considerate of you to reply. 
348Yes, it would be useful if you could send me the first e-mails I sent, preceding the one entitled 'right then', although I have words on a page. I kept records after the former, although the first few were a bit of a rant (sorry about that!) It would be good to have copies. The easiest way for you to return them is to reply to each one, no need for anything special. Cheers.
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350Keyphrases: Josee, Inertia message board, heart and head, small fib, Sarah. 
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353Venue magazine website, I Saw You: mid-May 2002
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356I saw you black k as night on your bike at St Paul's Lights and I thought: If only you weren't such a betrayer of women. S 
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358Keyphrases: black, night, on your bike, St Pauls, lights, betrayer of women, S. 
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361Inertia.tk teen band website guestbook: mid-May 2002
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364sarah
365hahaha!
3661.16 pm - 17/5 
367hahaha i luked at da site. hahaha. ur silly. hahaha. y does no1 like slipknot? ur sad. and b182 are good. so there. damn u blasphemers. haha! byeeeeeeee!!!!!! 
368
369lucianniaoniony <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<mailto:oh dear>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
370Re: hahaha!
3715.21 - 17/5
372Sorry Sarah button. No idea who you were for a there, but I'm thinking you've taken me for somewhat more stupido than I am and yourself for slightly less than you are. ("it would be folly" - no shit) It got boring when you stopped talking to me. Come on. I thought that was serving a purpose for you, it must have taken bloody ages to type all that with one finger. 
373
374sarah aka dans sis (unfortuneately)
3751.14 pm - 17/5
376haha nice site. i wiil say it again, robert is the only 1 dat can play!!!! dan is shit. ive heard him. and tobys site was better. hahahaha. robert is cute tho. il give u dat. neways byeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
377
378Sarah
3794.02 pm - 17/5
380wat does inetia mean robert?
381i cud jus ask u in skool but the gnome wishes 2 no 
382n e ho hows ur first song goin- almost finished
383c ya in skool 
384
385Keyphrases: Sarah, luked, slipknot, blasphemers, dans sis, Robert, tobys site, inetia, skool, gnome. 
386
387
388Email from lucanianhotmail.co.uk to tweedledeeee@hotmail.com: 17 May 2002
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390
391From: tweedledeeee@@hotmail.com
392To: lucanian@@hotmail.co.uk
393Re; betrayer of women (what the fuck?) 
394Fri, 17 May 2002, 10:00 am
395Mornin' luke 
396Who do you think i am? Cause i don't think i'm whoever you think-unless your unhinged! Just kidding, seriously you need to explain yourself to me, what do you want to know? Who said you were a hater of women? Who is saying all the stuff your talking about below? Take care sarah 
397
398From: lucanian@hotmail.com
399To: tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
400Tell me...
401Sun, 19 May, 2002, 7.28 am
402Sarah.
403I'm having alot of trouble understanding here. How old are you? School age? Then why aren't you at school when you're posting those messages, and what did you mean, 'all day working on your own'?
404Why did you actually do all that? You say you were 'curious'...about what? And if so how can you think that's the way to go about it, to echo the motifs of mirrored symmetry from Josee's lyrics, to use things she'd said on that site, 'he he he' and 'me thinks'..? Then you say I've 'somehow decided' I'm dealing with Josee. yes that's because you look like you're trying so hard to sound like her. 
405You can't tell me that's not deliberate. Everyone on that site knows full well why I was there in the first place, whatever they make of that. 
406
407From: tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
408To: lucanian@hotmail.com
409Re: Tell me... 
410Mon, 20 May 2002, 12:18 pm 
411Okay - you really are off your head. I am a 24 year old who once went to the inertia xmas party and gets occasionally bored at work so i started to read the messge board (for the record i have never been to 'dans' site and i don't know who josee is or her music) There seemed to be this hilarious thing going on between 'luke' & 'dan' in a moment of boredom i posted about what 'you do all day' you then sounded quite hurt so i apologised (a rational response where i come from) and then we had a message chat about the imp. of words. I am genuuinally sorry that you appear to be caught up in some wierld world of web. I have always used expressions like me thinks and hehehe they are not particularly unique fomrs of expression. Your emails often sound like the words of someone deranged. This is not intended as an insult but merely my opnion. The facty that you think i have borrowed my words and my personality is simply bizarre, surely that indicates you are looking for 'josee' everywhere including in my inbox. The fact that you think my freinds are are as sad asm me and have the time to start a secondary internet world just to wind up a complete stranger (you) for the sake of it is truly absurd. I have to cut this short because i'm at work and it's monday and there is a lot to do leftover from the weekend. I hope this explains a little more for you, p.s i am unclear what you want to me to post on the inertia message board 'to clear you name' i Have no problem saying that i wrote what i wrote - but the postings aren't even up there anymore, take care, sarah 
412
413From: lucanian@hotmail.com
414To: tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
415Sigh...
416Mon, 20 May, 2002, 8.18 pm
417Hello again Sarah. Thanks for returning the mails.
418Okay, let's just do this as clearly as I can. Apologies for the length but bear wth me. Firstly, thank you for the posting on the Inertia message board. It's very respectful, and in places very observant. I am very sensitive, particularly around all this, and it has been an odd time, and by all means my heart has been messed with. It's reassuring for me I guess to see that people can still be genuine. I'm sure you're a very nice girl, and you also at times write quite well yourself (What do you do then?). In fact sometimes it reminds me of the way I write. You sound like a cool person and I'm sorry if I offended you. Accept my apologies. 
4191) I'm not 'off my head'. The problem Sarah, was that someone posted on Dan's website before I mentioned your name anywhere public (the only place I've done so being the Inertia message board); here are those postings; [...]
420See my problem? 
421You can see them for yourself if you really want to by going to Dan's site at http://www.e-inertia.tk and looking at the guestbook and forum. (Dan is a 14 year old kid that lives in Ireland, albeit a somewhat acerbic one, I've never met him either). As you can see those appeared on the 17th. They look like the work of a 12 year old and it didn't make alot of sense then, because i didn't think you were twelve years old, it's not like you sound it, (although Dan sounds older than 14) but with things like that happening you'll have to forgive me for not knowing what is going on. But I mentioned your name AFTER I saw that on the 18th. Then it made even less sense, because there is NO WAY anyone else could have known the name of the person at the other end of 'tweedledeeee@hotmail.com via me. 
422Explanation? This may actually be just coincidence, a little kid taking the piss who just happens to have the same name as you and the timing was perfect. For a moment there I thought someone had hacked my e-mail account. I've just changed my password just to be on the safe side because it may have been too obvious. [...]
4234) Weird world of web. Well quite. 
424Those messages I showed you that appeared on the Venue magazine site look like responses to the things I said (in angry defensiveness) on Dan's site and then the 'he he he' on the Inertia message board, the first one mainly, although I'll grant you, whilst i do think the first one's almost certainly related, they could have been placed by anyone, not just Josee; I'll never know. I just worry that that was Josee, because of what I said to defend myself. Remember,as I pointed out some guys in Bristol that know her placed an ad in the actual magazine lampooning me. So all that between me and you on Inertia could have been taken as 'revenge' (particularly because I said 'paradox' and the remark about words becoming an absence. This has actually been proven to me because I overheard then arguing in the street. Again you can see them for yourself at http://www.venue.co.uk/ven_640_480/index.htm, and going to Romance/ I Saw You, if you really need to see that they exist. 
4255) Deranged. Sigh. Haha. No I'm not deranged Sarah, just tired of crap and having taken alot of stress over all of this. I'm very sorry I've ranted at you at all. It's not your fault. I'm flattered that you spoke to me and were actually quite sweet.
4266) Truly absurd. I'm sorry. It sounds like her, and you are using those motifs. Common? Well, maybe; 'methinks' is spelt with no space, but Josee spelt it like that with a space, maybe that's a common mistake; then 'he he he' with spaces, exactly the same. [...]
427You take care too, thanks for your apology on Inertia, and again, sorry if I've upset you.
428Luke
429
430From: tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
431To: lucanian@hotmail.com
432Strange world......... 
433Tue, 21 May 2002, 11:31 am
434I have heard residue it is one of my fave albums - that i can only listen to occassionally because i played it to death first time round, but i didn't think the singer was called josee - i obviously didn't read the inlay card well enough, you know what's weird the only reason i ever looked at the inertia board was because some people i know are freinds with the guy who designed the cover for residue. Strange world - maybe that makes it easier to understand what i was doing there in the first place. Thanks for the mail, much appreciated - i have to say i pissed my self laughing reading the 12year old's posting's - very teen lots of x's slang that i know longer understand and such the like - quite glad not to be that age anymore! Your email was very sweet and i now feel like i understand the situation a little better. I do however think that reading Dan's board is maybe not doing you any favours? It's just a thought - he's clearly winding you up and does have a particularly acerbic wit, which appeals but is he really doing anything to contribute anything of any emotional value to you? Again just a thought. I live in London but if ever i find myself in bristol you may be surprised when i pop round for a cuppa. As for the motifs thats about where my similarities with her end, cause i am officially tone deaf - however i do appreciate how difficult it must of been to have a relationship with someone who has left something as beautiful as 'residue' behind. My understanding of the lyrics is very different to yours which highlights how these things can be misconstrued. [...] Take care, sarah x 
435
436[...]
437
438From: tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
439To: lucanian@hotmail.com
440Re; Hey (loner)
441Fri, 31 May 2002 09:51 am
442Hi Luke, 
443Fraid i'm not quite so popular - not a single person has decided to abuse this email address! So i think its safe, i've been really busy at work/out of work/all the bloody time.......(poor me - weeny violin strings etc)but thanx for the offer of a cuppa, it's very important to have good tea connections both nationally as well as internationally. If you could keep using this account that would be cool - my other one is nearly out of space because i'm a nostalgic old bugger at heart and am keeping mail from jan last year, talk about not being able to let go! 
444Back to the grindstone, let me know if you find yourself in ole londinium and i can return the offer of tea with something like a double skinny whipped latte with half and half on the side (or a cuppa).
445Take care, sarah 
446
447Keyphrases: off your head, I am a 24 year old, inertia xmas party, don't know who josee is or her music, imp. of words, wierld world of web, deranged, borrowed my words or my personality, freinds are as sad as me, start a secondary internet world, wind up, complete stranger, unhinged, hater of women, guy who designed the cover for residue, Strange world, i pissed my self, Dan, winding you up, I live in London, officially tone deaf, misconstrued, nationally and internationally, double skinny whipped latte, half on the side. 
448
449
450Venue magazine website, I Saw You: Late-May 2002
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452
453(Mine) 
454I Saw You ready to tell me to my face. Well, it's a date and we're all excited. Hugs - Goosey Ghandi (talented, gentle and loving when well treated, and minded by Ronny and Reginald, they live in a garden hedginald). Owie.
455
456(Mine) 
457I Saw You Paraboy eating kebabs whilst staring at the picture of the tennis player scratching her arse for life. Loved your deep, barrel, of monkey's...Shakespeare, thinking you missed the point in my word-play. You bring the large-print dictionary and crayons, I'll bring Raspberry fields forever. Muah.
458
459(Mine) 
460I Saw You, lost as night, so in need of streaming light, with errors to pass for insight, trying to rhyme to sound sublime and I thought; you've completely missed the point, how horribly wrong. Again...
461
462(Mine) 
463I Saw You signaling the lights of the places I grew up. She was crazy, all wrong, thick bitch and hater of men. Funny watching the parcel go around. Quietly in my space more than ever, and will always be defending me and my daydreams. 
464
465(Mine) 
466I Saw You telling me on my bike, but 'I can't use it, take it back' (Kerouac), and it's not mine. I like me, my identity, and the things I do, and I don't want to be them or you.
467
468(Mine) 
469I Saw You and she wasn't even me. It always seems to hurt (fashionable-yet-scummy). He was drunk (stunned), you sound hurtful (again), and he talked rubbish (they're all the same). It only seems to get worse. I don't want to be a hee-ro, because it has nothing to do with love (no no no).
470
471
472The Guardian: Teenage Kicks, by Anna Davis: 22 May 2002
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474http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2002/may/22/familyandrelationships.annadavis
475https://archive.is/1pr5G
476
477
478Teenage kicks
479This is not good: I've finally opened up to Mum about Luke and she's threatening to cut him in half...
480
481Anna Davis
482
483Wednesday 22 May 2002 16.19 BST
484Last modified on Thursday 3 November 2005 16.19 GMT
485
486Maths tutorial 12 - Marks for Luke:
4871. Sex appeal: 10/10. Today I noticed how lovely his shoulders are - very broad, but not big enough to give him the hulking look that some men have (eg, most rugby players and fans. Cardiff is full of hulking rugby men).
4882. General appearance: Only 9/10 this week. Good jeans (Paul Smith) and T-shirt, but he's had a haircut that's a bit short on the sides - makes his ears look slightly sticky-outy. Still kind of cute, though.
4893. Favourite comment: "You're a smart cookie, Lockett. You'll fly through your exams." You'd need to be there to know how nice this was.
490How will I bear it when Luke is no longer in my life? My GCSEs start next week and today's tutorial was supposed to be my last one, but I faked a Maths crisis last night and begged mum to book him for two extra sessions. I'm going to have to say something to him about how I feel - what choice do I have? I know he's living with someone, but maybe things would change if he knew that I love him.
491Thing is, if I told him how I feel and he turned me down, it would be a disaster. I've been losing sleep over this and making no decision, but now I'm running out of time. I wish I could talk to Louise, but she's too wrapped up in Sleaze Paul to even listen properly. My life and problems are no more serious to her than a helium-filled kid's balloon.
492Hello again - this is later in the evening and I must make myself write this up. I sat down for a cup of tea with mum, and here's what happened:
493Mum: "You know, Jane, all the time I am spending waiting for Michael to find the courage to leave his wife, I'm aware of the passing of time. I can feel my youth ebbing away. And it's much harder for a middle-aged woman to meet someone new than it is for a man."
494Me: "Mmm. I guess."
495Mum: "And now your father's getting married again, too. It's not that I really believed we'd ever get back together, but it is still hard to know that he is with someone else now. It's like there are these two unavailable men hovering on the fringes of my life, and whatever I do to change that, I'm in the wrong."
496Me: "I know exactly what you mean."
497Mum: "What?"
498And then I made my big mistake: Mum has lots of work colleagues and kind-of-friends, but she doesn't have many proper close friends - the sort of friends you tell everything to, like me and Louise. In particular, there's hardly anyone in her life who knows about her ongoing affair with the Lizard. Lately, she has taken to confiding in me, and I enjoy that whole "mother and daughter as best friends" thing. It is sort of seductive. Today, I allowed myself to be seduced. I opened my big trap and I told her how I feel about Luke. I told her the whole thing.
499She was quiet while I talked. But when my words trailed off, I watched her face start to change. It went sort of white and hollow, and she started looking like the Evil Queen in Disney's Snow White. And then she unleashed her fury.
500I sat back and let it roll over me. According to Mum, I am a child who thinks she's an adult but who doesn't know how to behave like one. I'm also a "little tart". And, "If Luke Sackville has done one single thing to encourage you, I will tie him to the back of my car and drag him down the street." You have to hand it to her - she's got a certain flair for retribution. Eventually she calmed down and said, "Well, what do you have to say for yourself, then?"
501And I mustered all the dignity I could, and said in a cool, steady voice: "Mum, I am never going to talk to you about my life or my feelings ever again."
502Even as I am writing this, I can hear Mum on the phone downstairs, cancelling my last two lessons with Luke. But you know what? I'm surprisingly OK. I've realised that I was never going to get together with him through being his student. And I'm not going to be like Mum either - luring the Lizard into our home with fancy cooking or ringing Dad's place and hanging up when Adrienne picks up.
503I am going to face this head on. I will go round to Luke's flat and knock on his door and tell him how I feel. And then we will see what we will see. One way or the other, I need to know.
504
505· Teenage Kicks is written by Anna Davis (aged 31), whose novel Cheet (Sceptre, £6.99) is published in paperback.
506
507
508The Guardian: Jesus of Siberia, by Ian Traynor: 24 May 2002
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510http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/24/russia.iantraynor
511https://archive.is/jSDdO
512
513Jesus of Siberia
514Sergei Torop was a traffic cop in the small Russian town of Minusinsk until 1989, when he announced that he was the son of God. Now he commands a following of thousands and rules over a large swath of the Siberian mountains. Ian Traynor makes a pilgrimage
515
516Ian Traynor
517Friday 24 May 2002 02.15 BST
518
519Four thousand feet up a mountain deep in the Siberian taiga, the middle-aged man appears in a velvet crimson robe, long brown hair framing a beatific smile. He sits down in a log cabin perched on the brow of the hill. It is a room with a stunning view. The snowy Sayan mountains sparkle in the distance. The silver and pink of the birch forests shimmer in the clear sunlight. Down to the right, the pure blue water of Lake Tiberkul mesmerises. Behind the cabin, for much further than the eye can see - a thousand kilometres - the Siberian wilderness stretches, bereft of human habitation.
520"It's all very complicated," he starts quietly. "But to keep things simple, yes, I am Jesus Christ. That which was promised must come to pass. And it was promised in Israel 2,000 years ago that I would return, that I would come back to finish what was started. I am not God. And it is a mistake to see Jesus as God. But I am the living word of God the Father. Everything that God wants to say, he says through me."
521Meet the Messiah of Siberia, Vissarion Christ - the Teacher, as he is known to his thousands of disciples, who are convinced that he is the reincarnation of Jesus of Nazareth, come back to earth to save the world.
522"He radiates incredible love," sighs Hermann, 57, a Bavarian engineer who is now selling his home in Germany to join the self-proclaimed messiah of the taiga. "I met Vissarion last August. He told me we had to follow two laws. It was like an electric shock, like bells ringing."
523
524[...]
525
526To his critics in the established churches who accuse him of brainwashing and embezzling his followers, Vissarion is a charlatan deluding the devotees of "a destructive, totalitarian sect". More prosaically, he is Sergei Torop, a 41-year-old former traffic cop and factory worker from Krasnodar in southern Russia, who moved to Siberia as a youth, experienced his awakening a decade ago, and now leads one of the biggest and most remote religious communes on the planet.
527
528[...]
529
530The mood is cheerfully apocalyptic. "Have you not heard?" laughs Igor as he guides us through the swamp. "A comet is going to smash into the earth next year." With his beard, birch stick, tunic and pointy Uzbek felt hat, the 48-year-old recovered alcoholic from St Petersburg looks like he has walked off the set of Lord of the Rings.
531If the looming comet imperils most of humanity, Sun City is Noah's Ark. Russia's mission, in the best Orthodox tradition of "Third Rome" messianism, is to redeem the rest of us. "This central part of Siberia is the part of the world that can survive best," explains Vissarion. "And this is a society that can endure big changes and be more receptive to a better understanding of the truth."
532
533[...]
534
535
536The Guardian: Life with Luciano, by Suna Erdem: 27 May 2002
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538http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2002/may/27/artsfeatures.gender
539https://archive.is/7NTXt
540
541Life with Luciano
542
543When the world's most famous tenor left his wife for a student less than half his age, few thought it would last. But six years on, Nicoletta Mantovani is still in charge of keeping Pavarotti away from the pizza. Suna Erdem meets her. 
544
545Suna Erdem
546Monday 27 May 2002 11.06 BST
547Last modified on Monday 3 June 2002 11.06 BST
548
549'Here I am!" She bounds into the room, dressed in a pink T-shirt, baggy trousers and trainers. At 32, Nicoletta Mantovani still looks more like the student holiday helper that she once was to Luciano Pavarotti rather than his life companion.
550She slides into a chair in one of the rooms of her office - a house in the countryside just outside the northern Italian town of Modena, where Pavarotti was born in 1935. It is only when Mantovani later slips into a dark suit and puts on make-up for an Italian television interview that she begins to look like the strong woman behind one of the world's most famous men.
551She has been very busy, she says, organising this year's annual Pavarotti & Friends pop and opera music festival, taking place in Modena tomorrow night. This time she has persuaded Sting, Lou Reed, James Brown, tenor Andrea Bocelli and Italian singers Elisa and Zucchero to sing with her partner.
552Ever since the scandal erupted in 1996 over the tenor's decision to leave his wife for Mantovani, she has been shy of revealing her personal life to the press. The scrutiny was inevitable. Mantovani wasn't even born when the tenor married Adua, his wife of 35 years. He was middle-aged, huge, rich and famous; she was young, slim, not rich and a student. She was portrayed as a gold-digger, marriage-wrecker and a brief fling soon to be forgotten.
553The attacks hurt her, she says. "At the start I was really suffering, suffering a lot. How could people write things about me without even knowing me. I looked at these articles and said 'What is this ?'" - she gestures as if to throw an imaginary newspaper to the floor with contempt. "But time helps and you begin to care less."
554Quickly she changes key and begins to enthuse about Pavarotti & Friends, which she has produced since 1995 - but Mantovani has trouble keeping to the subject, and frequently offers up snippets of her life with Luciano. "He wanted me to read to him all the books of Harry Potter," she giggles. "It was very amusing. I did all the voices - it was like reading to a baby."
555And then: "Luciano always says I am one of the most ignorant people he knows when it comes to classical education. I forget everything. He says, 'How did you ever make it through school?' He can still recite poems and quote Petrarch, Dante - he says, 'I learned these 50 years ago so how can you not remember?'"
556
557[...]
558
559So what is this about purple?"In the past, artists couldn't perform during Lent and priests wore purple," she explains. "So for artists, purple means no eating, no money, no work. All Italians are superstitious - so forget purple."
560
561[...]
562
563
564"I didn't like opera. I didn't really like his world. But when I met him he had such presence, and I loved the way he smiled. Now I am spoiled by having such a good voice to listen to and I won't go to the opera unless he is singing. I like opera now but to be honest, I'd still rather go to a rock concert.
565"Luciano was never my idol," she adds. "So this made it easier for me to start a relationship with Luciano rather than with Luciano Pavarotti the tenor."
566
567The following correction was printed in the Guardian's Corrections and Clarifications column, Monday June 3 2002
568In an article, Life with Luciano, we referred to Luciano Pavarotti's father as though he were alive and aged 90. We failed to notice his death a few days earlier at the age of 89.
569
570
571The Guardian: The Rise of the Godmothers, by Rory Carroll: 28 May 2002
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573http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/28/gender.uk
574https://archive.is/u3bg5
575
576The rise of the godmothers
577This week's deadly shootout in a southern Italian village marks a new dark era in Mafia savagery - one where women are firing the guns. Rory Carroll reports
578
579Rory Carroll
580@rorycarroll72
581Tuesday 28 May 2002 02.28 BST
582
583They were cleaning the blood off Via Canalone yesterday in front of a silent crowd. Detectives collected shell casings and broken glass and a police photographer took close-ups of chips in the asphalt. It was a question of angles, said an investigator. Calculate who fired from where and things would begin to make sense, as if geometry could unlock the puzzle of Mafia savagery.
584The mountain village of Lauro is too high and far from the sea breeze of the Bay of Naples to entice tourists. It is not especially pretty, there are no renaissance steeples and much of the nearby oak forests have been stripped, leaving a grim, bare landscape. Sunday night gave another reason not to visit.
585It was dusk when the Audi 80 turned up Via Canalone. Traffic was light and several villagers were taking a stroll. No one heard a warning shout, or a scream, before the opening burst of gunfire from two cars which had stopped near the Audi.
586The crack of pistols was followed by sustained bursts, probably from submachine guns. The Audi's windows shattered and holes rippled through the doors. When it ended two of the five occupants were dead, one was dying and two were gravely wounded. Inside one of the other two cars three people were wounded.
587There was a time when southern Italy was accustomed to such scenes, these settling of accounts between rival gangsters, but that was before the Mafia learned the value of discretion and hiding from public view to make money in peace. But this old-fashioned scene hid a shocking twist: seven of the eight casualties were women. Mothers, daughters, sisters and nieces, the relatives of gangsters, seemingly selected for assassination and hunted through the streets. The hunters, it appears, were other women.
588Italy fears a new, dark chapter has opened in the Mafia chronicles because middle-aged mothers and teenage girls are not supposed to wage organised crime's turf wars.
589"Yesterday's incident shows that not only bosses and their 'soldiers' have the duty to eliminate members of rival families; now the women, the bosses' wives and even the daughters participate," the newspaper Corriere della Sera said yesterday.
590It appears the Mafia's glass ceiling has shattered. In recent years women have occupied important positions in several clans and directed strategy but the physical act of killing, as opposed to ordering a killing, remained a man's job. After all the mafia code of honour - omerta - literally means the "ability to be a man", to be disciplined and self-controlled under pressure.
591Women were traditionally expected to be be submissive, ultra-loyal homemakers, but over time the godfathers recognised their value as couriers and intermediaries.
592From the early 1990s onwards, the state's success in arresting bosses opened gaps that the godfathers preferred to fill with female relatives rather than outsiders.
593"Economic and financial operations, including money laundering are increasingly dominated by women," Alison Jamieson wrote in her book, The Antimafia, but violence and intimidation, the ultimate tools of power, remained a male prerogative. In another book, Mafia Women, Clare Longrigg documents the bloodlust of certain godmothers, but very rarely - until now - did they pull the trigger.
594The bloodbath at Lauro suggests that the Mafia has become an equal-opportunities employer, more egalitarian than most Italian institutions.
595The violence was the climax of a quasi-Shakespearean plot of dynastic struggle, ambition and revenge, played out in the region of Irpinia, a collection of isolated villages in the mountains east of Mount Vesuvius.
596On one side was the Graziano clan, which 30 years ago controlled the village of Quindici and wanted to expand into the Lauro valley by running extortion rackets and skimming public work contracts.
597Starting in 1972 it vaulted successive sons, via elections, into the town hall of Quindici. Two were killed but the clan's grip on the mayorship lasted until 1993, when the authorities froze them out, citing irregularities. It was a blow to prestige and influence.
598Their rivals in Quindici were the Cava family. Equally ambitious, they built up their own network of companies, but Irpinia only had so many opportunities and tensions brewed. Last year, Biagio Cava, 47, struck an alliance with the Russo brothers of Nola, a nearby town, who had good contacts in Naples. For the Cavas it was a fast-track to the big time, the chance of plugging into a smuggling network in western Europe and the US. The Grazianis were not happy.
599In February Biagio Cava was arrested by French police at Nice airport while trying to board a flight to New York. He had served time for extortion in the early 1990s, although the conviction was later quashed, but was on the run from Italian police for other alleged violent offences. He had a large amount of cash, false documents and was identified by the Italian authorities, who are currently seeking his extradition.
600Back in Quindici his capture triggered a series of events which last week led to a verbal brawl, according to the local press, between the clans' women. There are several theories about the shootout. One, an accidental encounter prompted a shooting spree. Two, a meeting to resolve differences went awry. Three, an ambush.
601The last seems likeliest. The Cava women were travelling with scissors and knives, suggesting they sensed a threat. They were the main victims: Biagio's wife and daughter, Michelina, 51, Clarissa, 16, died along with Michelina's sister, Maria Scibelli, 53. Injured alongside them were Felicia Cava, 19, and her friend Italia Galeota, 22.
602One of the two cars that fired on them escaped but in the other, an Alfa 147, Luigi Salvatore Graziano, 60, and his nieces Stefania, 22, Chiara, 21, were injured. Their car was also riddled with bullets but investigators suspect that was the Mafia version of friendly fire, poor aim from relatives in the other car that escaped.
603Dozens of police officers sealed off the hospital where the wounded were treated to prevent another bloodbath after relatives from both sides arrived. Put your hand out and you could feel the tension in Irpinia yesterday.
604Is the Italian Mafia about to enter a new phase of Amazonian warfare? Not necessarily. The clans clustered around Naples, collectively known as the Camorra, have always been wilder than their Cosa Nostra counterparts in Sicily. Lacking the islanders' discipline and structure, the mainlanders have a history of allocating territory and power through chaotic violence and struggle. The one certainty is more violence. Unlike Shakespare, the Mafia's tragedies never have a last act.
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1236
1237Inertia Records message board: 12 June 2002
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1239
1240Subject: hefner 
1241Author: lucy [ 132.185.132.12 ] (a@a.co.uk)
1242Date: 6/12/2002 11:56:17 AM 
1243are hefner playing the jazz cafe on sunday? 
1244
1245Keyphrases: hefner, lucy, jazz cafe. 
1246
1247
1248Venue magazine #523: 14 June - 28 June 2002
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1250
1251I Saw You. You were 30 storeys high, a metaphor for the destructive power of atomic energy. Godzilla du-na-na, Godzilla du-na-na. And Godzooki. Box No 5810
1252
1253I Saw You at E-Shed Action man - your eagle eyes picked me out in the crowd, let's snuggle up in your combat jacket and make mushroom clouds together. Box No 5911
1254
1255I Saw You at the Arnolfini - I think your name is Anna. You are the most gorgeous specimen of blondness I have ever had the fortune to discover. If you own a stripy T-shirt and a stetson, you are mine! Box No 5912
1256
1257I Saw You. Hey Mr Tiddle, fancy meeting up with little miss Sunshine again? Box No 5913
1258
1259I Saw You at Hinkley Point Party, thankyou all for such a fab time with special thanks to Matt end Hannah for keeping me safe and warm when I would have froze my tits off otherwise. May there be lots more summer madness to come, love smiley Jen x Box No 5915
1260
1261I Saw you at the Farm Thanks for being a good mate - get a new car Matty Boy from John Boy. 5916
1262
1263I Saw You at the Farm, Monday Bank Holiday. You, black short dreads, me bloke at bar, blonde white, in denim jacket too tired to talk but wont be next time. Box No 5917
1264
1265I Saw there were no corners on the beach then I lost you. Doh!! Make sure we play that game of backgammon sometime x Box No 5918
1266
1267I Saw You at the point of being lush. This happens a lot. I know the best looking Seaman at the Farm. Box No 5920
1268
1269I Saw You at the Farm, I think you ride a scooter and have a lovely hooter I think your mums called claire and you have wicked hair. Box No 5922
1270
1271I Saw You at the Farm you blonde bombshell in the Park, me propping up the bar. Lets stay together. Box No 59123
1272
1273I Saw You. I like the idea of spinach, Im alright the worlds alright. Toppings night out bean. May there be many more monkey nights and chilli sauce. Sing it James Brown. Box No 5924
1274
1275I Saw You at the accident and emergency ward at the B.R.I. on Saturday night, you, stitch in head, me, broken nose. Shall we meet again? Box No 5945
1276
1277I Saw You at E-shed maz youre running away to tax haven, hope it wasn't anything I said. Wish we'd spent more time together but I know it's for the best. Keep the motors running, you inspire me love you and miss you, Beanie xxx Box No 5926
1278
1279I Saw You at @Bristol I saw you across a crowded street, girl in black when will we meet? Box No 5927
1280
1281I Saw You at Mandalyns I came in again Mando, your name a wonderful name to compliment your deep delicious eyes xxx Box No 5930 
1282 
1283I Saw You at The Bath Tap but also at Mandalyns talking to Lee and Jessy - Weed. You have lush bleached hair and your name is Drew. I think you hate me because I have spots. My best friend you may know as panface. Box No 5931
1284
1285I Saw You at the Watershed, lady in black you cut my slack, no turning back coz you've got the knack. Abbi I love thee xxx Box No 5951
1286
1287I Saw You at Central Wine Bar You were wearing a leopard skin thong, it didn't stay on for long but I forgot your name, Box No 5935
1288
1289I Saw You at Central Wine Bar My name is Bert because people say I look like my namesake Mr Reynolds. I think your name is Liz, you have very bubbly hair and a husky voice. My dream boat, be mine. Box No 5936
1290
1291I Saw You in my bed, giving me the best koala hugs and kisses. At 26 you are sexier than ever. Happy Birthday from the Giraffe xxxx Box No 5939
1292
1293I Saw You at Central Wine Bar on Sat 31st May. You were blonde, serious and very sexy obviously in need of some serious loving e.g a good stuffing Box No 5940
1294
1295I Saw You at The Rock our eyes mat across the dance floor. I grabbed your lovely rear and sqeezed gently. You slapped me, spat on me and ran away. I know it was true love. Be my alibi. Box No 5941
1296
1297I Saw You. There you were just walking down the street singing doo-wa-diddy-diddy-dum-diddy-doo And I loved it Box No 5942
1298
1299I Saw You at E-Shed drinking with your friends. You were wearing a suit and looking dead sexy. I think your name was Andy - we briefly chatted about making a movie together - you had the loveliest curly hair ... Box No 5943
1300
1301I Saw You at Level. You were chewing your face off. You offered me a chewing gum, a cigarette and water. I declined but you persisted. You said your name was Baz - call me. Box No 5944
1302
1303I Saw You in my dreams then you turned up in E-Shed while I drank free Guiness. You wore a gorgeous blue hat. Let me buy you a flat so we can be together. Xx Box No 5925
1304
1305I Saw You at the Watershed you were wearing a CCCP jacket, looking miserable at the bar. I couldn't help but notice your pain, it runs deep, share it with me. Love Sucre xx Box No 5946
1306
1307I Saw You in Walkabout bar on Friday 24th May - you had long black hair and were performing the frogdance. I think I love you for your beauty and your intellect. You are fine. Box No 5947
1308
1309I Saw You at Fopp, Park Street. You were wearing a blue Italia T-Shirt and were the sexiest bear I ever Saw xxx I think I'm in love !! Box No 5978
1310
1311I Saw You on the front cover of Art Review "Swearing Like A Sailor" and fancied the pants of you. Box No 5948
1312
1313I Saw You at Dorset Cereals looking at the clock. You had blonde hair, white coat and hair net. Get in touch for some raison lovin!! Box No 5950
1314
1315I Saw You at Mandalyns, its me again. I think your name is Mandy or Manda. I cant get you out of my head. Box No 5932
1316
1317I Saw You at the Arnolfini I was touched by the tissue soaking tbe blood on your pock marked face. You wren't sure of your identity but I think I could hepl if only you weren't such a loony ps the hills are alive Box No 5952
1318
1319I Saw You gorgeous moustached Spanish looking man at Lloyds Bank, Church Road St George Thurs 2nd May 3.30pm - me, girl with brown cap and dog i Saw you before 22nd Dec at Rock n Roll do, Page Hall If you are single get In touch! Rock Chick. Box No 5953
1320
1321I Saw You, Instantly, chemically, I faltered to reach you, untouchable, no mortal My mirror-muse knows of absences more, expressive in the promise of a stupid vow, than there is any sweet or sensuos presence Miss Parallax, Paranupt, Paradox, Pare....done Box No 5954
1322
1323I Saw You Donna, blagging tbe last of my spliff at the Meridian Place Party on the 25th. You were lovely - if it hadn't been the very last of my stash I would have skinned up for you all night! Box No 5955
1324
1325I Saw You on the last number one bus to Southmead on Tuesday 26 May. You, a UWE student and gorgeous- me, tall, fair and blue eyed. A talkative old man said we should get together. Email me on ukridge@hotmail.com Box No 5956
1326
1327I Saw You at Kingsdown asking about my neighbour who had been burgled. I pleaded ignorance, quietly hoping you'd whisk me away and take down my particulars. Looking gorgeous in that uniform I have reason to believe you'd look gorgeous in anything. Box No 5957
1328
1329I Saw You at the suspension bridge party. You were colourful cybergirl, I was the last dancing gnome. Cheeky smiles ...you waved goodbye ... I was speechless...Doh! Box No 5958d 
1330
1331I Saw You at Thai classic 28th May. You were eloquent and elegant. Long dark hair with red flower. Had I not been sitting down your smile would have made my knees buckle. Great conversation, laughter and an excellent birthday card. Hope to see you again. Box No 5959
1332
1333I Saw You Headful of Laos! Remember that freezing 4th April 2000 at Heathrow. You were gorgeous then and your gorgeous now. Looking forward to the rest of our lifes together. Ta Quiero Con Todo El Corazon Box No 5961
1334
1335I Saw You Pete. When I met you in Bar Room Bar on Thursday you made me laugh, you made me smile, I never got your number but do you fancy coming round to mine so we can get better aquainted?? Box No 5962
1336
1337Keyphrases: 30 storeys high, metaphor, destructive power, atomic energy, Godzilla, Godzooki; Action man, eagle eyes, combat jacket, mushroom clouds; Arnolfini, Anna, blondness, fortune, stripy t-shiirt, stetson; Mr Tiddle, little miss sunshine; Hinkley Point, Matt, Hannah, safe and warm, froze, madness, smiley Jen; The Farm, good mate, car, Matty Boy, John Boy; black, short dreads, blond, white, denim, too tired to talk, next time; corners, beach, Doh, backgammon; lush, Seaman, the Farm; scooter, hooter, mum's called Claire, wicked hair; blonde bombshell, Park; spinach, Toppings, bean, monkey nights, chilli sauce, James Brown; accident and emergency, B.R.I., stitch in head, broken nose; motors running, Beanie; grl in black; Mandalyns, Mando, deep delicious eyes; Mandalyns, Lee, Jessy, Weed, bleached hair, Drew, spots, panface; lady in black, slack, Abbi; leopard skin thong, forgot your name; Bert, Mr Reynolds, Liz, bubble hair, husky, dream boat; koala, Giraffe; blonde, serious, sexy; The Rock, lovely rear, squeezed gently, slapped me, spat, ran away, alibi; walking down the street, doo-wa; friends, suit, dead sexy, Andy, making a movie, curly hair; chewing you face off, chewing gum, Baz; dreams, free Guiness, blue hat, buy you a flat; CCCP jacket, miserable, pain, deep, Sucre; Walkabout, frogdance, beauty, intellect, you are fine; blue Italia T-shirt., bear; Art Review, sailor, pants; Dorset Cereals, clock, blonde hair, white coat, raison; Mandalyns, Mandy, Manda, head; Arnolfini, touched, tissue, blood, face, identity, loony, hills are alive; moustached, Spanish, Lloyds, Church Road, St George, Rock n Roll, Page Hall, Rock Chick; Instantly, chemically, untouchable, no mortal, mirror muse, absences, stupid vow, sweet, sensous presence. Parallax, Paranupt, Paradone; Donna, spliff; UWE student, tall, fair and blue-eyed, talkative old man; Kingsdown, neighbour, burgled, ignorance, take down my particulars, uniform; suspension bridge, cybergirl, gnome, Doh; Thai Classic, eloquent, elegant, dark hair, red flower, knees buckle; Laos, Heathrow, Ta Quiero; Pete, Bar Room Bar. 
1338
1339
1340Venue magazine website, Female Seeks Male, June 2002
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1342
1343Jemima Hatstand
1344Choose your starsign
1345tweedledeeee@hotmail.com
1346Bristol
1347Alriiight! Stunningly gorgeous, sexy singer seeks adaptable hero (pref. with own car and willing to protect me) for good times and shallow frolics. Highly variable, at times bubbly to the point of exuding zesty green Fairy Liquid with the attention span of a muppet on amphetamine! Sometimes quiet, shy and nervy, and a distinct tendancy for unexpected outbursts and inexplicable random snogging...Yeah baby! Love karaoke (mostly 70's soul-funk), Top-of-the-pops and bouncing off walls in an inane life-and- soul-of-the-party kinda way. Hah!! Strong emphasis on having a good time, although you may have a bad one due to classic cluster-b profile, borderline personality, clinical narcissism and histrionics (I kid!) 
1348Ideally you will be obedient but robust, and not too perceptive and therefore incapable of presenting a challenge. I hate being confronted...in fact, don't even look at me like that. Must be capable of handling food-fixated chatter, evasive sarcasm and 'I'm not discussing it' type arguments featuring profuse cussing, and still be able to keep me distracted with whoop-whoop noises and lo-fi humour whilst being putdown and insulted without tiring! Be prepared for me to go off with your friends, and if I really like you there's always the possibility of being harrassed by mine!! (Ackack!) Above all you'll be exactly like me whilst, paradoxically, being completely different, or even my exact opposite and thus able to cope with the absolute complimentarity I demand. If it's particularly special I might intermix personal life and career and write you some songs; but like I said, I'm not discussing it, you can count yourself lucky mofo. 
1349PS; Motorboys and musos fine, all dates frisked for concealed weapons (eg. own identity) HaHA!! (As you can tell I like a good laugh!)
1350
1351
1352Venue magazine website, I Saw Yous, June 2002
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1354
1355(Mine)
1356I Saw You and he said; "We've got the same starsign, like...S**t happens. She's a muppet, she wants someone to be dad..." and you said; "You have made me complete again. You are my hero. You know who you are." (Decisive but unintentionally hilarious statement.) 
1357
1358I saw you fighting people on Gloucester Road at the last Rovers match of the season. You looked all hot and sweaty, you really did it for me. i think you were called "peahead". you smiled a bloody and toothless grin. please drop me a line. I was wearing a SAWN OFF t-shirt. Miss X
1359
1360I saw you Ed, but not as yet in the flesh, you blow my mind with your chat, and you oh so very hornyness Ambition one? Make me blush? Sarah X
1361
1362(Mine, removed a few days later upon request.)
1363I Saw You Sarah, but not as yet being real and with rhyming, you tire my mind with your vagueries, double skinny whipped latte, and poor sense of timing. You weren't sure of your identity and you weren't much help. If only. Ambition one? Talk sense AND make me blush? Pix X
1364
1365(Mine)
1366I Saw You at Le Garage. You'd been touched, touched yourself, had tissues and wanted to touch me, I was offended, offered you pox. I was assured of my identity, you were violently codnusef. I can't help you, it's a self defeating argument. PS; Breathe, ride it out man. Oh, sorry.
1367
1368(Mine)
1369I Saw You whilst visiting at the BRI. Me, busy, you...completely decapitated in a flurry of aggressive self-consuming absurdity highlighted via a demonstration I didn't even need to produce. You want to get something for that. A band-aid, an outlet...your own life.
1370
1371(Mine)
1372I Saw You seeing me at the point of being lush. Then you woke up and had to change. This happens alot. But it's okay, I don't think anyone noticed, we needn't mention it again. 
1373
1374I saw you with your big belly. I seem to have mislaid some s******a, did I leave it with you? I'm the other signatory. 
1375
1376Keyphrases: big belly, s******a. 
1377
1378
1379July 2002
1380========================================================
1381
1382
1383Email to Venue magazine editorial: 11 July 2002
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1385
1386to editor@Venuemagazine.co.uk
1387I Saw You Removal 
1388Thu, 11 July 2002, 3.15pm
1389Dear Venue magazine,
1390Can I saw Yous be removed? I've already sent a request via the 'contact' form. The message was originally placed by me but there seemed to be something of a delay in it's appearance, so it's out of date and I felt inappropriate now. It's still up though.
1391The message was "I Saw You Sarah, but not as yet being real and with rhyming" etc.
1392Would it be possible for this to be removed? This is a genuine request and I know something of a problematic one seeing as they're anonymous. Thanks in advance.
1393PS; A while back I submitted a message for inclusion on your site, but retracted it. It never appeared, then recently cropped up, slightly rewritten, in the mag itself, along with box number despite lack of name or address and the fact that the ones for site and mag are supposed to be seperate!
1394The message concerns something that's been a little in the public eye, (much to my endless torment) and indeed the rewrite seems to display this. This has actually caused a fair bit of trouble. Any ideas how and why this happened or who did it? It seems a little irregular for staff to make decisions about messages in this manner, even if intentions were benign.
1395Again thanks for your time,
1396Luke. 
1397
1398
1399Venue magazine website, Female Seeks Male: Friday 12 July 2002
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1401
1402millie 
1403Cancer 
1404millie_shon@yahoo.co.uk 
1405Bristol 
1406'The Girlfriend' 
1407"Touching, raw, full of every human emotion - with all the ingredients for a best girlfriend with the added weight of being true." The Daily Mail 
1408"Suspense,humour,love,terror and hope. A woman of courage, madness, gaiety. Anger too." Times Literary Review 
1409"At no point difficult to follow yet the facts she contains are of astonishing complexity." The Star 
1410"Devastating, original, glittering with anger and thwarted love...this girlfriend is a combustible mixture of ferocity and vulnerability." - Womens Hour 
1411"Riveting." Bizarre 
1412
1413
1414To millie_shon@yahoo.co.uk
1415'The Girlfriend'
1416Sat, 13 July 2002, 3.04pm
1417"A revelation, unlike anything seen before." - Omnibus
1418"Sardonic, off the wall, revealing...mercilessly strips away the layers of maya smothering contemporary romantic life." - The Guardian 
1419"Zeitgeist comic genius." - Tony Parsons
1420"Bloody hilarious and horribly real...I've been there." - Ben Elton
1421"Blimey, what a corker! We would!" - The Sun
1422
1423
1424Venue magazine website, Female Seeks Male: July 2002
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1426
1427You humit, i'll play it! 
1428choose your star sign 
1429paradoxicalnitwit@hotmail.com 
1430North Somerset 
1431Nice looking chap - both eyes on the same sid of his head, all body parts in working order. Wanted for snuggles on sofa, weekends away in Cornwall and maybe a bit of romance. If you can cope with a mid 30's foxy chick then email me .... 
1432
1433Josie 
1434Gemini 
1435topofthepopstar@yahoo.co.uk 
1436Cheltenham glos 
1437Full time boyfriend required (flexi time available) 20-26 years old, good looking (mingers need not apply) great sense of humour (although full training can be given) good level of fitness, no beer bellies or long haired liam gallegher looky-likey's please (although a good level of interst in music is essential) Must have good general hygene. Location within easy access to Cheltenham glos and preferably have nice car (although old bangers will acceptable) if you fit the bill, a genuine attractive rachel from sclub7 lookey likey (22) would like to recieve your CV and photograph. closing date for applications 20/3/2080 
1438
1439tell you later 
1440Cancer 
1441alotofbalderdash@yahoo.co.uk 
1442bristol 
1443Forsooth, I have but little understanding of these modern macinations of love. I merely desire a man between the ages of 28 - 38, a good man, a true man who likes not the intimate company of other men and has not a secret wife and children hidden in the water closet on his estate. He must be dry of humour, candid and possess an independance of spirit. I cannot bring fortune to this union for I am sadly of poor means. However, what i lack in fortune I make up for in accomplishments. If this missive excites your anticipation, I entreat you to make haste and respond forthwith. 
1444
1445Keyphrases: you humit, i'll play it, paradoxical nitwit, Cornwall; Josie, top of the pop star, beer bellies, long-haired liam gallegher looky-likies, nice car, rachel, sclub7; a lot of balderdash, Forsooth, machinations, intimate company of other men, secret wife, estate, dry, candid. 
1446
1447
1448Venue magazine website, I Saw You: July 2002
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1450
1451To the poison dwarf. Revenge is a dish best served cold :-( 
1452
1453and you saw me, but i fell in half so you put me to sleep. 
1454
1455Keyphrases: poison dwarf, revenge, dish, cold; fell in half, put me to sleep. 
1456
1457
1458Venue magazine website, Male Seeks Female: July 2002
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1460
1461hugh ortega breton 
1462Aries 
1463rutter4ever@yahoo.com 
1464Central Bristol 
1465relaxed, fun loving, dancing bloke 28, intelligent, likes good conversation and adventure, all things Spanish, wltm anyone with an open mind who is confident and secure for friendship and laughs in Bristol and who knows what else.AND/OR people who enjoy barbel fishing, yes, i know. 
1466
1467Keyphrases: Breton, rutter4ever, Spanish, barbel fishing. 
1468
1469
1470'Spam' email, receieved to lukes@myself.com: July 2002
1471------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1472
1473From: () 
1474To: luka@myself.com, lukas@myself.com, lukeduke@myself.com, lukem@myself.com, luker@myself.com, lukes@myself.com, lukew@myself.com, lukman@myself.com, luma@myself.com, lumbert@myself.com, lun@myself.com, luna@myself.com, lung@myself.com, luong@myself.com, lupa@myself.com, lupo@myself.com, lura@myself.com, lurker@myself.com, lush@myself.com, lust@myself.com, luuk@myself.com, luv@myself.com, luz@myself.com, lw@myself.com, lwang@myself.com, lwarren@myself.com, lweston@myself.com, lwl@myself.com, lws@myself.com
1475Cc: 
1476Subject: Time Travelers PLEASE HELP!!! 23790 
1477Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:47:50 +0200
1478
1479Hello,
1480If you are a time traveler or alien and or in possession of government or alien technology I need your help! My entire life and health has been messed with by evil beings! If you have access to the carbon copy replica model #50 3000 series, the dimensional warp, temporal reversion or something similar please reply! I simply need the safest method of transferring my consciousness or returning to my younger self with my current mind/memory. I need an advanced time traveler to work with who can help me, I would prefer someone with access to teleportation as well as a variety different types of time travel. This is not a joke! I am serious! Please send a separate email to me at: Dragonball03@aol.com if you can help! Thanks
1481
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1483
1484Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by ( on
1485Sun Jul 7 01:47:50 CEST 2002
1486
1487recipient: 
1488luka@myself.com,lukas@myself.com,lukeduke@myself.com,lukem@myself.com,luker@
1489myself.com,lukes@myself.com,lukew@myself.com,lukman@myself.com,luma@myself.c
1490om,lumbert@myself.com,lun@myself.com,luna@myself.com,lung@myself.com,luong@ m
1491yself.com,lupa@myself.com,lupo@myself.com,lura@myself.com,lurker@myself.com,lus
1492h@myself.com,lust@myself.com,luuk@myself.com,luv@myself.com,luz@myself.com,lw
1493@myself.com,lwang@myself.com,lwarren@myself.com,lweston@myself.com,lwl@myself
1494.com,lws@myself.com
1495
1496Hello,
1497If you are a time traveler or alien and or in possession of government or alien technology I need your help! My entire life and health has been messed with by evil beings! If you have access to the carbon copy replica model #50 3000 series, the dimensional warp, temporal reversion or something similar please reply! I simply need the safest method of transferring my consciousness or returning to my younger self with my current mind/memory. I need an advanced time traveler to work with who can help me, I would prefer someone with access to teleportation as well as a variety different types of time travel. This is not a joke! I am serious! Please send a separate email to me at: Dragonball03@aol.com if you can help! Thanks
1498email: russ_72@yahoo.com
1499
1500x: i
1501
1502Keyphrases: Time Travellers, Aliens, government or alien technology, entire life, evil beings, carbon copy replica, returning to my younger self, Dragonball. 
1503
1504
1505Internet Relay Chat (IRC) networks: July 2002
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1507
1508<poetgirl> nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain and we are here as on a darkling plain swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight where ignorant cCcbot was made and clashed by armies of the spam night
1509<poetgirl> ;)
1510* poetgirl rolls out the banner for ·´||`·.¸ sm0k3 ¸.·´||`·.¸¸.·´||`·.¸ sm0k3 ¸.·´||`·.¸¸.·´||`·. sm0k3 ¸.·´||`·.¸¸.·||`·.¸ sm0k3 ¸.·´||`·.¸¸.·´||`·.¸ sm0k3 ¸.·´||`·.¸¸.·´
1511<sm0k3> hey!
1512<sm0k3> Are you still there?
1513<sm0k3> I like that
1514<poetgirl> actually yes i think therefore I am :)
1515<sm0k3> I'll keep that
1516<poetgirl> lol
1517<poetgirl> tell the founder to change their onjoin welcomes or seriously that channel is dying sadly :0
1518<sm0k3> what do you do?
1519<poetgirl> I'm a nurse
1520
1521[...]
1522
1523<sm0k3> You work in regular general hospital yeah?
1524<poetgirl> nope mental health
1525<sm0k3> ahhh
1526
1527 [...]
1528
1529<poetgirl> work in bracknell live in henley
1530
1531[...]
1532
1533<poetgirl> Psychosis is a genetically triggered disorder
1534<sm0k3> oooooh
1535<sm0k3> don't
1536<sm0k3> haha
1537<poetgirl> no i like psychology i don't mind really :)
1538<sm0k3> I don't buy the biomedical ab]ngle at all
1539<sm0k3> there's too much process there
1540<sm0k3> I've seen it in action
1541<poetgirl> and all paradoxes of depresive thoughs from humanists
1542
1543[...]
1544
1545<poetgirl> what candles may be held..what candles may be felt...
1546<poetgirl> ant each slow dusk that calls the monstrous anger inside
1547<poetgirl> lol
1548<sm0k3> haha
1549* poetgirl is pissed     ò¿ó
1550<sm0k3> haha
1551<sm0k3> what have you been drinking?
1552<poetgirl> not american anger either
1553<poetgirl> too much
1554<poetgirl> vodka cranbery and grapefruit juice
1555<poetgirl> send sme kinda spiritual :)
1556<poetgirl> actually i did a really awful thing
1557<sm0k3> what was that?
1558<poetgirl> forgive me father
1559<poetgirl> lol
1560<poetgirl> it has been one week since my last confession
1561<poetgirl> so I'm hiding here on undernet
1562<sm0k3> Your catholic
1563<poetgirl> really horrible someone in my regular channel came in saying she was pregnant
1564<sm0k3> right
1565<poetgirl> she was so so happy and everyone else was
1566<poetgirl> i even congratualted her
1567<poetgirl> then when she left..i did wait until she left honest
1568<poetgirl> i talked about problems with first babies
1569<sm0k3> yeah
1570<poetgirl> not sure why i did it i was seriously trying to think why...something deep i think prolly jealous
1571
1572[...]
1573
1574<sm0k3> You come to this channel yeah
1575<poetgirl> well i might not again can't chat lol
1576<poetgirl> dalnet mainly same channel
1577<sm0k3> yeah it's usually not too good
1578<sm0k3> well look, use this e-mai address if you eant to get hold of me and ramble over late night sprits
1579<sm0k3> blackjackethat@hotmail.com
1580<sm0k3> are you still there?
1581<sm0k3> Or nodded off
1582<poetgirl> testing your email :)
1583<sm0k3> oh okay
1584<poetgirl> my name is helen
1585<sm0k3> right hi Helen
1586<sm0k3> Luke
1587<poetgirl> S'io credessi che mia risposta fosse a persona che mai tornasse al mondo questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse. Ma per cio che giammai di questo fondo non torno vivo alcun, s'i'odo il vero, senza tema d'infamia ti rispondo.
1588<poetgirl> bye Luke
1589
1590Keyphrases: nurse, mental health, bracknell, henley, psychosis, genetically triggered, psychology, paradoxes, scizophrenia, guilt, monstrous anger, pissed, drinking, american, spiritual, forgive me father, Catholic, confession, pregnant, jealous, blackjackethat@hotmail.com, Helen. 
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1593Venue magazine website, female seeks male: Submitted 21 July 2002; Appearing 30 July 2002; Requested and subsequently removed 17 Sept 2002
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1596Tough the magic dragon
1597Ringo
1598hamfistdothereyougo@hotmail.com
1599Vacant
1600Single mum, one child, 22. On the tall side, hard, could sarc the hind legs off a donkey, control freak, schizophrenogenic, very manipulative. I also don't take rejection well. Hobbies include standing around looking cool, being vague, point dropping, inference, double binds, miscommunicating and drinking waw-er. And cycling, mostly the wrong way off cliffs. Class monitor for a living. Fond of pasta, I think. Don't talk to me about life, politics, anything remotely complex or academic, restrict yourself to banter only; life paths, auras and stuff that's connected to things, or something to do with some stuff that went on somewhere. You know how some people are addicted to hurting other people? You know how some people go 'round in circles? It's not very nice to be laughed at is it. I'm often rude mind, and I like what I take for dry wit, so there's some more. Yeeaah, I think so, I think it is. Anyway, looking for mister one-dimensional, anatomical curiosities included, and if your names Sid, even better! Mind you, this isn't really happening. Boomboom.
1601
1602Keyphrases: magic, dragon, life paths, auras, addicted, circles, wit, Sid, boom boom. 
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1604
1605Inertia Records message board: July 2002
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1608Subject: Re: No enthusiasiam
1609Author: Fatlip 
1610Date: 11/07/2002 11:28:34 AM 
1611This is some real good banter.
1612Real good. keep it up. Are there any birds reading this message board? 
1613
1614Subject: Re: No enthusiasiam 
1615Author: margarine 
1616Date: 12/07/2002 8:54:51 AM 
1617Hi boys
1618wanna flirt?
1619
1620Subject: Hello? 
1621Author: Dorset Pete 
1622Date: 19/07/2002 10:36:52 AM 
1623What's all this, then? Music?
1624Why don't you all bugger off and bother someone else with you rappety-tappety nonsense. Go on. And take all your ting-ting-blat with you too. Who do you think you are? Give me a bit of a-rumpety-trump, a-rumpety-trump anyday. Or maybe a g-r-r-r--r-r-r-rr-r-upitty-tee,g-r-r-r--r-r-r-rr-r-upitty-tee! That's the sort. Wonderful. Just the ticket. 
1625
1626Keyphrases: Fatlip, banter, birds; margarine, flirt; Dorset Pete, Just the ticket. 
1627
1628
1629Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 25 July 2002
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1631
1632I Saw You...As I will always see you - beautiful, gorgeous, incredibly sexy, desired by all, loved by one my cafE au Lait, my brown skin Nubian queen. All you ever had to do was be there for me and now you've lost me 4eva.
1633
1634I See You...Everyday. I know your every move, I know your favourite food, I know your favourite colour, I know your favourite drink, and where you like to take it. Starbucks, 8.45, latte, half a suger.
1635
1636Keyphrases: cafE au Lait, Nubian queen, 4eva; Everyday, know your every move, food, favourite colour, favourite drink, Starbucks, latte, sugar. 
1637
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1639Unofficial R.D.Laing Website forum: 14-31 July 2002
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1641
1642Maggie Carr
1643Administrator
1644Posts: 41
1645(7/14/02 9:36:19 pm)
1646GraFfiTi
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1648 Sitting in a café with a friend of mine, watching people walk by and talking about what we did this week, he mentioned in passing that he'd been given a 78 dollar ticket for 'vandalising' public property. There was a public workers' strike on (it ended yesterday) so the city of 4 million where we live wasn't the most aesthetic of places to be. No garbage collected for two weeks. 
1649So, this friend of mine was written up by a couple of cops who found his wanton destructiveness punishable by law. Next week he goes to court to defend himself for writing sonnets in chalk amidst the bags of garbage. He said, "love sonnets, to no one in particular", and the cop said, "At your age, you should know better". [...]
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1652josie muldowney
1653Unregistered User
1654(7/27/02 10:28:12 pm)
1655obscurity
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1657 I have just read this page and have to admit that I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I am confused. Are you insane, Maggie? You said there that you had a brush with psychosis and that you had a problem convincing people you are sane. In my experience, when you are psychotic, you either are or you aren't, A) you don't brush with it. B) when you are insane you don't try and convince people that you are sane because the paradox is that you think you are sane, that is why you are insane. [...]
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1660josie muldowney
1661Unregistered User
1662(7/27/02 10:58:26 pm)
1663'anti-psychiatry' and 'schizophrenia'
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1665 Why are people so het up about this definition of 'anti-psychiatry'. I am still trying to work out what 'psychiatry' is claiming to do. I want to know about 'psychiatry' and what it thinks it can do for insanity. 'Anti-psychiatry' my arse, it is all and the one load of crap. I would like to argue about 'schizophrenia' which is more important than arguing about what antipsychiatry is. Fuck the psychiatrists, I want to talk about mental illness. Psychiatrists are apparently there to treat 'schizophrenia', if there was no schizophrenia, psychiatrists wouldn't exist and you are all talking about the correctness of the term anti-psychiatry. In fact, stop right there, I am beginning to realise just how fucked up this whole society is. I find this argument gratuitous and a waste of intellectual space. 'Schizophrenia' is a blanket term imposed on people who can then all be blanketed with elephant doses of tranquilisers. Handy, isn't it, and you can all argue the toss about anti-psychiatry as if that was going to address society's problems and the psychical suffering that people are going through. Sorry, but arguing over the term anti-psychiatry and joining the love train in the name of one love is just not cutting the ice with me.
1666
1667
1668Maggie Carr
1669registered member
1670Posts: 65
1671(7/28/02 10:55:15 am)
1672Re: 'anti-psychiatry' and 'schizophrenia'
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1674 Okay Josie, you want to argue about schizophrenia and write everybody off with gratuitous arguments, I hope you can get as good as you give. 
1675You know who really pisses me off? Ex psychiatric patients with a big chip on their shoulders who think getting less than perfect care gives them some kind of fucking lifetime ticket to say whatever they want about the entire field and everybody in it. And they spend a lot time drifting around internet forums playing their same stupid "special me" and "I was there - I know!" shit everywhere they go. 
1676Well I KNOW A COUPLE OF THINGS TOO. Like - what happens to thousands of OTHER schizophrenics when they don't take their medication. They lose their jobs, their friends, their children and their home, along with their minds. Until they have nothing left. They get beaten up, raped, thrown in cells, and left on the street. You talk about people posting to the internet instead of getting real about love - how many psychotics have you cared for, taken into your home and fed, clothed, washed? What's your argument? What exactly do you mean by "fuck psychiatry"? No one should be medicated? You have a better idea? 
1677You seem to think you can speak for every mental illness on top of schizophrenia, I'm guessing you've devoted your life to caring for the mentally distressed. Laing did, and also spent the majority of that life being attacked by people who felt threatened by his refusal to accept their methods, and his refusal to be complicit in psychiatry being used as an instrument of social control. Which was erroneously and damagingly labelled anti-psychiatry.
1678If you don't even know what psychiatry is, how can you have any kind of opinion at all, let alone the diatribe you've posted here?
1679So don't hand me this "fuck psychiatry" crap. Get over yourself. [...]
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1682DrKLKeough
1683Registered User
1684Posts: 21
1685(7/30/02 3:53:59 am)
1686Re: or, being in the moment
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1688 Josie,
1689Not sure 'arguing' about schizophenia is gonna do much for you or anyone else. You entered this sanctuary with an attitude. You know little about people who post here. You are pulling for negative reactions whether you are aware of it or not. This place isn't into new age nonsense. People are living love working with patients (from the Latin-one who suffers) who have suffered at the hands of insensitive caregivers. You will find this place to be rather heartening as you drop your defenses a bit and quit pulling for precisely what you don't need. I do hope you recognize people here are willing to be patient. Also know, like Laing, people here will shout you down and call you on your stuff if you don't respond to a 'kinder, gentler' approach. Respectfully, Kevin [...]
1690
1691
1692josie muldowney
1693Unregistered User
1694(7/29/02 8:00:15 pm)
1695Existential philosophy...Genetics...Independent thought
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1697Existential philosophy
1698Philosophy concerned with the nature of existence... I like it because it deals with the subject of consciousness, of the mind and what it means to be human. The human consciousness is, at present, and as perceived by humans, the most complex entity in the known universe. The unknown workings of the mind or brain or consciousness remain as mysterious as the unknown parts of the universe. I believe the human consciousness to have infinite complexities, literally infinite complexities.
1699I do not like to assign labels unnecessarily. I could not enter semantically in to the mind/brain/consciousness arena. They are all one and the same thing as far as I am concerned. I do not like the word brain, quite apart from its connotations (the physicality, greyness, blobs, structures, slices, lobotomies, electricity, convolutions, the watery attempts to see the unseen), I have an aesthetic dislike of the word, its consonantal arrangement. Mind will do for now and will include our thoughts, the biochemical and electrical pathways which are so infinite and layered and relating to, resulting from and radiating out to such an infinite and random interplay of experience and interaction, extending from the dawn of humanity to the living breadth and future of humanity.
1700Life is meaningless and it is not unhealthy to reflect on this. Granted this will not take us very far and we would be prudent to invest our life with meaning, to get on with things and do what we can while we are alive, but it is worth realising that just because we suspend ourselves daily in the belief that we matter and that this subjective belief is valid, it is correct and not irrelevant to state that quite simply there is no ultimate purpose in our lives, collectively or individually. It is an equally valid supposition. To say that it leads nowhere is an untruth, since it is the fear, misinterpretation or ignorance of this meaninglessness which will propel us out of inertia. 
1701Genetics...It is my staunch belief that genetics will play an extremely minor role, if any at all in the proper discovery of causes and elucidation of the processes involved in mental illness, the malfunctioning of the mind. Since genetics is extremely current, a very hot topic right now and it is in the interests of global pharmaceutical companies to fund these projects, that is where most research is being directed. Without any meaningful success (although it may lead to other useful discoveries, related or not) Some experiments being conducted to unlock the 'genetic roots of schizophrenia' involve mice and these mice have been quoted as behaving schizophrenically. I was unaware that mice had complex thought processes and was wondering whether these mice, when observed to behave schizophrenically, were standing on their hind legs to proclaim themselves as the Messiah/Joan of Arc/Jesus/The Third Duke of Winchester. Then I thought perhaps they were exhibiting signs of paranoia that they were being experimented on. In the end I had to shrug my shoulders, but not without a degree of contempt.
1702When I hear the geneticists say that it is important, that this kind of discovery will lead to destigmatisation of the illness, I want to weep. They think that sufferers will be happy to be called a faulty product and certainly the pill-providers, the pillosophers will be very happy. It's not happening yet. 
1703Independent thought...I would doubt whether it truly exists and marvel constantly at the leaps which humanity has made, the paucity of figures and the historical male dominance of these who have made the little but ferocious incremental and independent leaps of thought. The reason I talk about independent thought is that question if I really have something to say, specifically on this forum. I /think/ I have said something and I /feel/ I have something of matter to say, but whether that is the reality of the matter is something else. And it has already been pointed out to me that I have not really said anything. Well, maybe it has all been said before, and maybe I would be regurgitating endlessly what I have read or what someone else has said, whether I reflect on it, debate it or try to extrapolate from this does not mean that it is relevant or insightful.
1704I will end by gratefully and humbly regurgitating a Philip Larkin poem.
1705
1706Ignorance
1707
1708Strange to know nothing, never to be sure
1709Of what is true or right or real,
1710But forced to qualify 'or so I feel',
1711Or 'Well, it does seem so:
1712Someone must know.'
1713Strange to be ignorant of the way things work:
1714Their skill at finding what they need,
1715Their sense of shape, and punctual spread of seed,
1716And willingness to change;
1717Yes, it is strange,
1718Even to wear such knowledge - for our flesh
1719Surrounds us with its own decisions- 
1720And yet spend all our life on imprecisions,
1721That when we start to die
1722Have no idea why.
1723
1724
1725Maggie Carr
1726registered member
1727Posts: 69
1728(7/29/02 9:56:34 pm)
1729Re: Existential philosophy...Genetics...Independent thought
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1731 Josie
1732This is such a beautiful essay, I don't want to wreck it by saying something obtuse. I'd like to read it with care over the next few days if that would be alright. I'm astounded by the research you referred to, schizophrenic mice, my God. Do you have a citation for it? I would like to see just how ludicrous, ludicrous can be, (and who funded this bizarre joke). 
1733The only thing I would ask at this moment is, in regard to your statement that "life is meaningless". I don't mean to sound like I am splitting hairs, but do you mean 'meaningless' in the way that some people would also use the word 'pointless' as in futile, or 'meaningless' in terms of 'not having an a priori meaning' which has implications of requirements of action, etc. I have no particular commitment to either view, but wondered what your position was on this. (i.e., I'm open to suggestions). 
1734Thank you for the Larkin, and making this forum 'a peopled garden'. [...]
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1737DrKLKeough
1738Registered User
1739Posts: 20
1740(7/30/02 3:35:53 am)
1741Re: Existential philosophy...Genetics...Independent thought
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1743 Josie,
1744Curious to watch you make such ??? pronouncements and declarations. Latest 'consensus' is that mind is an emergent property of the brain. Meaning exists in our DNA and is everywhere to be sensed. Cultivate humility, and you might not feel the need to flex your intellectual 'muscle'. This forum is working to create a milieu-a safe place for people to exchange ideas in the spirit of a human being who lived love and reflected meaning. You might want to reread the literature on phenomenology to understand Laing. It will help you appreciate the need for humility and sensitivity. No need to poison the milieu with a 'bring it on' attitude. Maggie, I must respectfully disagree with your characterization of the essay as 'beautiful'. Made me a bit uncomfortable...long on intellectualization, absent humility. Respectfully, kevin [...]
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1747josie muldowney
1748Unregistered User
1749(7/30/02 10:01:23 am)
1750Imprecisions
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1752 Maggie, thank you. I doubt if there is much in the essay to reread, it is a bit reductive. Mice and rats are common currency in the studies to determine the genetic basis of schizophrenia. All you have to do is put the keywords in and, pardon the pun, you will find that the internet is crawling with these studies. The NIMH, National Institute of Mental Health has a long standing interest in it. One that I found was www.mentalhealth.about.com/library/tx/bldsgene.htm The shizophrenic-like symptoms shown here are, less interactive mice, less dominant behaviours, peculiar sleeping arrangements and an ineptness at nest-building. A personal favourite of mine - NIMH detects the gene that influences fearfulness in mice -www.nimh.nih.gov/events/feagene.htm
1753When I spoke of meaninglessness, I meant just without meaning, without large purpose. I cant say any more, as I say the essay is a bit reductive.
1754Respectfully, Kevin, I do not think it shows particular humility on your part to instruct me to go and cultivate humility. This is the antithesis of humility. Likewise, to instruct me to go away and reread the literature on the phenomenology to understand Laing, shows gross condescension as well as a dearth of humility. I too find your pronouncements and declarations curious, that is, that I am long on intellectualisation and absent of humility...I am using my mind to type in thoughts and thus I am using my intellect. I attempt to speak plainly and humbly and when I use the words 'gratefully and humbly', I mean those words, I am not lying. Regurgitate may have been an unfortunate choice to precede a quotation of Larkin, but this refers more to my comments on independent thought. Respectfully, Josie [...]
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1757josie muldowney
1758Unregistered User
1759(7/30/02 4:37:50 pm)
1760Diagnoses
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1762 I don't think that it is a psychiatrist's job to engage with a patient. Not that I think it shouldn't be, but that it just isn't. If I had been around myself when I was psychotic, I don't think either of us would have had much to say to each other. (I know I'm not telling any of you anything new, but bear with me.) Psychiatrists usually have very heavy caseloads, and there job is only to prescribe pills. Sometimes they would refer to a patient's history and work out a dose from there, or they might try a diagnosis based on observations and try a patient out on different medications until they get a positive and satisfactory response. Sometimes the trial and error of different medications would lead to a diagnosis. A lot of the patients that I met in hospital were being shifted back and forth from all sorts of combinations,without apparent success. One said 'They don't know what's wrong with me.' Psychiatry serves to mop up, when people lose their way. It does not claim to investigate the sources, causes or reasons. 
1763One issue that I do have is that the patient is generally equated with his or her symptoms and those in turn are equated with the illness. I think that the symptoms are unreliable indicators of the illness, that they are by-products of an inability to communicate. 
1764Let me illustrate this point - My psychiatric observation for 4/12/93 reads...'Took part in Keep Fit, observed to have poor concentration throughout i.e staring out of windows a lot. Appears vague and vacant. Pleasant and cooperative but remains restless. Easily reassured about medication and staying in hospital.' Vague and vacant remains a constant theme throughout my observations. Well, in fact, there was a lot going through my mind in that particular Keep Fit session. I was looking at the nurse's leggings and saw that they were the same pair that my friend had. I was wondering at the irony and ridiculousness of doing physical exercise in a mental hospital. I was staring out the windows because the nurse's eyes were fixed on me and eventually, I looked back at her and smiled, and she smiled at me. I was slightly amused at us all bobbing up and down. I was slightly amused that they thought I was mad. Is that 'vague and vacant.'? Personally, I thought the nurse looked very vague. 
1765I was thinking about psychosis. When we are dreaming our dreams are generally very irrational. They are mad. There must be something that happens where this subconscious dreaming machinery overrides the other rational part. 
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1768CathyMcG
1769Registered User
1770Posts: 16
1771(7/31/02 1:54:22 am)
1772Prescribing Pills
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1774 Josie
1775I so so disagree with your statement "Psychiatrists usually have very heavy caseloads, and there job is only to prescribe pills." What happens to humanity here? What happens to the holistic approach of treating the whole person and not just the symptoms of their distress? What happens to all that Ronnie Laing stood for in being with people in their distress?
1776Cathy 
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1779josie muldowney
1780Unregistered User
1781(7/31/02 8:06:36 am)
1782holistic
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1784 Well Cathy,
1785Ronnie Laing had a much better and rounded approach than conventional psychiatry. What happened to it? It all but died. You disagree with them having a certain amount of time on a ward round that involves seeing thirty patients? You disagree that at the end of the day they only prescribe pills? I am afraid that is the reality of it. I disagree with it too but there is nothing that can be done, that's why I said, it shouldnt be this way. This is what happens in my country anyway. [...]
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1787Keyphrases: Graffiti, vandalism, two cops; 
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1789
1790Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 31 July 2002
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1793Thankyou Venue personal ads for pulling together two people travelling in opposite directions. Naughty Little Elf - I love you. Im your Fairy forever. Marry me everyday for the rest of my life? 
1794
1795Keyphrases: opposite directions, Naughty Little Elf, Fairy Forever, Marry me everyday.
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1797
1798Venue magazine #526: 25 July - 9 August 2002
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1801I Saw You...As I will always see you - beautiful, gorgeous, incredibly sexy, desired by all, loved by one my cafE au Lait, my brown skin Nubian queen. All you ever had to do was be there for me and now you've lost me 4eva.
1802
1803I See You...Everyday. I know your every move, I know your favourite food, I know your favourite colour, I know your favourite drink, and where you like to take it. Starbucks, 8.45, latte, half a suger.
1804
1805Keyphrases: Cafe au lait, Nubian queen, 4eva; Everyday, every move, favourite colour, Starbucks, latte, half a sugar. 
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1812Unoffical R.D.Laing website forum, 1 August 2002
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1815josie muldowney
1816Unregistered User
1817(8/1/02 2:39:34 pm)
1818Edinburgh
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1820 Hi, I can't think of a phrase that would be equivalent. I would say that the Scots and the Northern Irish would be more likely to deliver a direct insult, maybe call her something profane. 
1821I know Greendykes quite well. I lived there (Niddrie) for a couple of years and worked in the local library which had a very low readership, considering how densely populated the area looks. The history of the area...what do you think? The most frequently borrowed genre was true-life crime, biographys of the Krays kind of thing.
1822(By the way, it wasn't me who got started on the trenches, it was Kevin. I don't like this trenches thing) 
1823It's a terrible bloody class-ridden Britain, the disparity between the haves and have-nots is increasing, and they wonder at the malevolence on the streets. Don't even get me started on the Northern Ireland thing. [...]
1824
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1826josie muldowney
1827Unregistered User
1828(8/1/02 3:59:15 pm)
1829schizophrenia, or the namesake of the forum
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1831 'Laing emphasised that no one /has/ schizophrenia like having a cold and went on to make the radical assertion that in many of the classic psychiatric texts the very psychopathology projected onto the person called 'patient' can clearly be seen as manifested in the psychiatrist. Conventional psychiatry is plagued by a confusion that lies at the very center of the conceptual problems of all modern, scientific medicine: the confusion between disease process and disease origins. Instead of asking why a mental illness occurs, medical researchers try to understand the biological mechanisms through which the disease operates. These mechanisms, rather than the true origins, are seen as the causes of the illness. Accordingly, most current psychiatric treatments are limited to suppressing symptoms with psychoactive drugs. Although they have been very successful in doing so, this approach has not helped psychiatrists understand mental illness, nor has it allowed patients to solve the underlying problems.'
1832Fritjof Capra [...]
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1834
1835Maggie Carr
1836registered member
1837Posts: 89
1838(8/2/02 10:11:24 pm)
1839Endquote
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1841 Josie
1842I do not like repeating myself. You have ignored any point that clearly renders your narrow position insupportable. I'm not going to restate what you obviously are choosing to avoid discussing. 
1843It appears you are simply too invested in arguing that there is no biological basis for schizophrenia to engage in a discussion in good faith. 
1844
1845
1846josie muldowney
1847Unregistered User
1848(8/3/02 3:13:22 pm)
1849Endquote?
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1851 I could not be invested in the argument for the biological 'basis' of 'schizophrenia', since I do not accept the classification of 'schizophrenia' and its sub-classifications as being the result of proper scientific investigation.
1852I am always willing to discuss/debate/argue in good faith. 
1853
1854Keyphrases: josie muldowney, Edinburgh, Scots, Northern Irish, Greendykes, true-life crime, Krays, trenches, malevolence on the streets; cold, Fritjof Capra, good faith. 
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1856
1857Email from laurencedungworth@yahoo.co.uk to hamfistdothereyougo@hotmail.com: 2 August 2002
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1860From : laurence dungworth <laurencedungworth@yahoo.co.uk> 
1861To : hamfistdothereyougo@hotmail.com 
1862Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:15pm
1863do you talk like you write? 
1864if you do then i want to come and cook you some pasta just to listen to you.
1865i can do rice if you changed your mind.
1866
1867Keyphrases: laurence dungworth, pasta, rice. 
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1870Unofficial R.D.Laing Website forum: 3 August 2002
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1873josie
1874Unregistered User
1875(8/3/02 8:21:31 pm)
1876Stages of rain
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1878 Stages of rain
1879
1880Outside the window
1881A plaintive song fell
1882Of another's pain
1883Heard, not felt
1884As insistent, fruitless
1885Of rages past spent
1886Dead energy dripping
1887Sadly to coat veins
1888Of leaves lifted to sound
1889The rain
1890And court the vanity of anger
1891Splashed the fall, resonant as
1892Cold breeze blew in curlicues
1893With verdant hued
1894Skin with blooming glow
1895A glooming blow. 
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1897Keyphrases: Stages of Rain, another's pain, rages, Dead energy, veins, anger, verdant hued, blooming glow, glooming blow. 
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1900Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 6 August 2002
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1903I saw you in my mind's eye, your hair golden in the kitchen light, your eyes full of love. And I love you too, ever since the 4th day. You sexy Bath Bell bartender! 
1904
1905Keyphrases: mind's eye, hair golden, Bath Bell bartender. 
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1908Inertia Records message board: 6 August 2002
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1911Subject: Re: Hello? 
1912Author: DuckBack (quackquack)
1913Date: 6/08/2002 9:17:22 AM 
1914You really are a bitter little twist aren't you, Dan. Lifting your leg all over everyone's posts in an attempt to mark your post-pubescent territory. Go join a gang or something, you obviously crave peer support. 
1915
1916Subject: Re: Hello? 
1917Author: Palmer Jones 
1918Date: 6/08/2002 10:14:50 AM 
1919Not my gang though. We’ve quite enough venomous little tykes trying to compensate for lack of wit by venting their frustrations through a spell-checker.
1920Good to hear Mr Hefner’s decided to show again. But at Cargo! (“Another Gauloise Crispin, before they pull my bleach-spotted, low-slung pants further down, exposing my ironic tattoo”)….? 
1921Thank God for enormous bottles of strong lager.
1922
1923Keyphrases: DuckBack, quackquack, bitter, twist, Dan, gang; Palmer Jones, venemous, wit, Mr Hefner, Cargo, Crispin, Gauloise, bleach-spotted, low-slung pants, ironic tattoo, God, bottles, lager. 
1924
1925
1926Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 8-23 August 2002
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1929I Saw you Ballee: Several years ago now! Listen to "Never Ever" by "All Saints" and you will see. 
1930
1931Arnolfini bar, 7 August, around 8.30 - short plump butch lady, short dyed hair, cream top, brain as dry as a ship's biscuit, rude, aggressive, petulant, anti-social, childish, idiotic. 4 into 4 clearly doesn't go. Beelzebub"
1932
1933I saw you on Maoming Nan Lu, Ala Shanghai. You walked through the crowds and said 'He who seeks revenge should dig two graves'. Bloody hell, I thought to myself. 
1934
1935I saw you in Waterstones, 13 August. You had your arm in a sling, looking at Penguin Classics! We've met before Mr Spanish solicitor.....i've always found you rather attractive - remember when you looked at my novels?!? I ended up with the wrong man that night. 
1936
1937i saw you god!6 yrs ago b4 I ended up in Plymouth.Not obsessed,onnist,just wondering how yer doing, blackberet-boy - still got the stretchmarks from swimming?I'm now a surfer lost in Brum, 1 day I'll b back in Bristol & wd b nice to meet up maybe...! 
1938
1939JOS - missing u! It's been more than 14 years and I still think of you often. Please get in contact - you know where I am! x 
1940
1941I saw you. Crazy haired Irish bird, gurning like a trooper. Ashton Court, Old E, Star & Garter - come to think of it, do you have a home? Could be a while B4 I C U or Sunny Brizzle again but keep strutting your stuff for me hotstuff!! 
1942
1943Keyphrases: Ballee, All Saints; plump butch lady, dyed hair, dry as a ship's biscuit, 4 into 4, Beelzebub; Maoming Nan Lu, Ala Shanghai, revenge, two graves; arm in a sling, Penguin, Classics, Spanish solicitor, novels, wrong man; god, blackberet-boy, stretchmarks, swimming, surfer, Brum; JOS, Crazy haired Irish bird, trooper, hotstuff. 
1944
1945
1946Venue magazine website, male seeks female: August 2002
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1949Notta Chatteruppa 
1950choose your star sign 
1951anothercleverpseudonym@hotmail.com 
1952nervous 
1953Just spent a good while trying to compose a witty and eye-catching ad, then my PC crashed, and it all disappeared. So this will have to do: 
1954Creative, intelligent, sensitive, tall and broad, quiet but sociable, fully house trained, OK S.O.H, unique, 39 yr old. 
1955I talk to animals, am still thrilled by weather and hopefully I'm as grown up as I'll ever be. Apparently I appear cool calm and collected, but underneath I'm paddling like a bastard. I am aware of my failings and foibles, yet they are carefully counterbalanced by successes and idiocyncrasies. Ally McBeal is unfeasable and Malcolm in the Middle is real. 
1956If you are driven by soap operas, shopping and celebrities, then I'm probably really boring, so I promise not to try and be Jamie Oliver, if you're not Madonna. I am seeking adventure and contentment alongside a similarly laid back and bemused female with whom I can laugh, think and feel. 
1957
1958Keyphrases: witty, talk to animals, paddling, Ally McBeal, soap operas, shopping, celebrities, Jamie Oliver, Madonna. 
1959
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1961Unofficial R.D.Laing Website forum: 9 August 2002
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1964luckymca2002
1965Unregistered User
1966(8/9/02 6:48:04 pm)
1967R.D. Laing, a thread in my life
1968
1969Hi everyone! I came across this site some time ago to satisfy my curiosity about R. D. Laing. Today, I have just discovered this message board and think it to be interesting....
1970I discovered R.D. Laing sometime prior to going to University, and I do not remember how exactly. I have enjoyed reading many of his books. I found them refreshing, stimulating, and sometimes difficult to digest with his use of terminology that I was not familiar with. I had wanted to study Psychology at University but was turned off by the whole mind/brain thing... behaviouism was the going rage at my University, and that is what ultimately led me to quit University altogether.
1971For as long as I can remember, I have been drawn to the whole question of identity... who are we anyways? I have always wondered what makes people do and say what they do and say.... and communication has been a strong focus for me... how does it work, what is good communication, etc.
1972For me, Laing has been a beacon of humanity, and independent thought. He is one of the influences in my life that have supported my indepent search for understanding of the questions that have importance for me... reminded me of the importance of my individual journey, that is my life, and respecting the journey of others. Relating is the other big theme that I share and resonate with Laing, in terms of it having a central position in my life. 
1973I look forward to sharing and discussing with other members of this board...
1974Luciano 
1975
1976[...]
1977
1978
1979Maggie Carr
1980registered member
1981Posts: 99
1982(8/10/02 10:58:15 am)
1983for the fans of C.L. Dodson
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1985Always thought there ought to have been an insect called a Lutwidge. Now there would have been a bug o' different stripes. 
1986
1987
1988Scara6
1989Registered User
1990Posts: 18
1991(8/10/02 1:03:45 pm)
1992Multiplicity
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1994No Maggie. That's an attempt by someone I know to deliberately pretend to be me, (and do a poor job), because they may have been offended by something I didn't do, (although I may know who did) that wasn't aimed at them anyway as far as I can see, but someone else, a certain queen, which in itself may be a misconstrued response, just off hand, (ahem).
1995Great.
1996Yours sincerely me (and only one me). 
1997
1998Keyphrases: lucky, thread in my life, University, Psychology, behaviouism, going rage, quit University, identity, anyways, beacon of humanity, independent thought; C. L. Dodson, bug, Lutwidge, Scara6, queen. 
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2000
2001Email from lucanian@hotmail.com to m.a.carr@decaelo.com
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2004From: Luke S <lucanian@hotmail.com>
2005To: m.a.carr@decaelo.com
2006August 10, 2002 12:46 PM
2007Urgent attention Maggy Carr Re; Forum
2008
2009Urgent attention of Maggie Carr. Please read the attached document. Bit rushed but I had to make it fast. Some net lunacy going on in your forum as you've spotted, but you don't know the half of it.
2010Thankyou
2011Luke (Scara6)
2012
2013Dear Maggie.
2014I'm a contributor to the Forum at the Laing website, and have a rather odd query that I'd wondered if you could help me with. I'd prefer to keep it confidential, perhaps not in the spirit of the forum, but it's a sensitive matter and all I require is an answer, and I'd beg you to keep any response equally confidential. If you must know, I use the name Scara6 when contributing, and I see you've already twigged something's amiss, although you've misunderstood.
2015Recently Someone called Josie Muldowney began contributing heavily to the forum, at first somewhat explosively. I noticed that she appears to have made long past contributions, showing in postings which had been placed by you (dated April). The name even occurs in an old reply by someone else, yet I don't remember seeing that name before.
2016How did this happen? Did she send you a notice in effect claiming the postings? Has the response containing her name been edited? If so, recently, or did I just fail to notice? 
2017I'd mentioned to Yansa that I'd been through a load of nasty net business around a personal matter, which in part accounted for my 'flaming' response to her on being accused of using more than one guise to post.
2018This was the precisely the business in question, an experience which was deeply traumatic for me and to some extent turned my life upside down. It was heartache, on the one hand, throughout the last few years, occuring primarily in the two years following the deaths of both my parents. 
2019It was a situation around someone I knew, a singer I'd met three years ago now who had ended up writing songs about me. I only found this out just before she left the city where I live and moved to London. I had very deep feelings for her, but had a very hard time trying to get to know her around alot of friction, pushing and shoving etc. havy stuff for me. Nothing happened, I was blocked by her friend, what used to be my closest friend stopped me from reaching her, she left, I ended up on the net looking for an answer to what had happened having found out about the songs, found another, ended up on her record companies site, veryupset, she went off with the same firend...then turned up again in Aptil where i'd been left not knwing what was going to happen, half expecting to be under attack publicly. 
2020Not an easy experience. I had very deep feelings for this girl, but she was also incredibly difficult, traumatised in some ways, and of course I was on the recieving end of everyone else's disqualifications, and animosioty towards her, people's animosity and jealoudy towards me.
2021[...] The next album is still on it's way. I'm basically walking away from it all, but I keep getting drawn back, and I'm being deliberately demonised. 
2022This latest bout was a kind of 'revenge' in response to a message in amagazine I wrote but didn't place (someone at the magazine did, I'd retracted and it had been sent for iinlcusion on the site, not in the mag), although after that appeared I placed an angry take personal ad, basically trying to finish it. I was at the end of my tether because I'd just spent three months e-mailing her friend who was pretending not to be herself, telling me this was 'truly absurd', where it turned out she was precisely who I thought she was, (she's very manipulative of the situation too) after the girl had turned up and started chatting to me on her company's website (which went horribly wrong). I don't have alot of time to explain.
2023
2024Regardless, on the net and off over the period I've been;
2025repeatedly insulted, put down, lied to to the point where I no longer trusted a single soul, shouted at, laughed at, screamed at from speeding cars and intimidated in the street by her thug mates, and had what almost amount to death threats appearing in a local magazine because I dare to actually fight back.
2026I've been inundated with junk mail, e-mails from people pretending to be her, responses to boards I've never posted on, ads I've never placed, singles and dating agency ads, twee e-cards, pornographic e-cards, and endless subscriptions to porn newsletters and porn sites, straight and gay, where the buck stopped at e-mails from sites specializing in 'rape fantasy', to the point where I'd abandoned two e-mail addresses and switched the junk mail filter on my main (ie.this) account to exclusive. [...]
2027I've been accused of writing and saying things I've never written or said, making internet postings I've never made, and doubtless 90% of what I have written or said, for the most part at the end of my tether, is misinterpreted anyway. Anyone can turn up anywhere and do pretty much anything, as long as they sound vaguely wacky, and I'll automatically be held responsible. [...] 
2028I also have no voice. If I or anyone on my behalf or defense posts on her record company's website, they pull the plug on the server (although I'm under attack in every manner, and anyone else can say anything they like). It's impossible to defend myself in 50-words-or-less of a message on a magazine site, or in a magazine itself; it's a bind.
2029This has been the reason why I've barely posted to the forum dispite all the hubbub. [...] 
2030
2031So.
2032If you've noticed an increase in hits to your counter, this is because it's been repeat visited by her and her friends, maybe people from her record co. I've no idea if there has been an increase but I mention in case you'd noticed one, although it's not greatly important. 
2033How were the old postings changed? She's lying to you, she wasn't the original poster, it's complete fabrication. [...] 
2034Now you're doing it, you think it's both me! 'A bug o' different stripes'. Don't do that Maggie, please, youve misjudged the situation. She's probably laughing her head off. Retract the statement or remove it, please. [...] 
2035
2036Could you help me, please? This has got to stop. 
2037I want you to either remove that topic altogether, or edit it. The ideal response in my opinion would be to edit the topic completely, there's no need for a collusive game of 'wanking half-milers'; change the author, subject and content; 'laingforum2002' would be perfectly fair, then a) reiterate the kingsley hall statement, the aim of the forum (regardless of it's 'namesake'), and b) point out that personal issues between any two individuals can be settled between those two individuals, ideally in private via e-mail addresses already held (she has mine), or in some other manner where that's possible (I even offered her a private guestbook URL I'd created solely for her, she just spammed the e-mail address attached to it), but either way directly and with reference to the pertinent issues. [...] 
2038I'm quite happy to explain any statements I've made, personally, academically, etc, and give her every oppurtunity to discuss the issues with me, as I always have, having e-mailed her friend for months and offered her every possible option. I also can't take responsibilitity for postings or other actions not mine, where I'm simply assumed responsible. [...] 
2039I've told you as much as I can, which is a heck of alot. This takes time and energy and eats into mine (and doubtless yours). It may seem far fetched but I'm afraid it's real. It's also upsetting, I don't want this on the Laing forum, I don't want to have to have that staring at me every time I click in. I keep feeling fine about it all, then someone does more, every single time. [...] 
2040
2041
2042From "M Carr" <m.a.carr@decaelo.com> 
2043To "Luke S" <lucanian@hotmail.com> 
2044Re: Urgent attention Maggy Carr Re; Forum 
2045Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:16:37 -0400 
2046
2047Dear Luke
2048I'm so sorry you have been through this. I'm not sure what exactly you would like me to do, so I have only put a couple of things in place so far.
2049I have changed the status of the board so one must register to make a post. I deleted the Luciano post in order to put it out of harm's way... I mean, my harm, because I would find it extremely difficult to not make a statement of some kind.
2050Luke, I want to assure you that I vigilantly moderate the forum. I have had protracted conflicts in the Jung forum, which was left unmoderated for too long entirely at the expense of people who should never have been left unprotected. Someone with a deeply predatorial psychology had installed himself in the Jung forum, and undertook abuses of others much to the delight of the 'onlookers'. It was a sick environment. [...]
2051
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2056Maggie Carr
2057registered member
2058Posts: 102
2059(8/10/02 1:36:14 pm)
2060Multiplicity it is
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2062Scara6
2063This card is posted for my friend Sara, whom I've known for a couple of years now. Being a gifted artist and a person of generous heart, I figured she would make allowances for its aesthetic challenges. 
2064And also for you, because of your lovely story about your old bound edition. 
2065Personally, I have a limited fondness for Carrol; it was the other stories I enjoyed more than anything to do with The Looking Glass business. Originally mucked it together for a friend who had a real affinity for slithy toves. I hope he finds that sundial some day. 
2066So, here it is on the sidewalk of synchronicities, for Scara6 and Sara, and the friend I don't have any more except in spirit. We could call it 'new lamps for old' if you like. 
2067No haunting allowed here, this is a protected environment. 
2068
2069
2070JOMULDOWNEY1
2071Registered User
2072Posts: 2
2073(8/11/02 8:26:30 am)
2074Re: 'Dodson'
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2076 If you are going to trivialise the work of one of the most gifted and imaginative writers, be aware that his name is Dodgson and not Dodson. 
2077
2078
2079Maggie Carr
2080registered member
2081Posts: 106
2082(8/11/02 9:16:29 am)
2083Reply Re: 'Dodson'
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2085 Kevin was right, you need to learn humility. Your hostile narcissism is transgressive. And so are your weak skills of argumentation. Failed schizophrenia campaign notwithstanding, you haven't managed to meet even the grammatical fundamentals here, let alone substantiate it, to wit:
2086In the circumstances where one is given to declaring a comparative or superlative, such as you have done, it is incumbent upon you to state the domain in which the comparison exists. 
2087As such, I can only conclude that your intention was to declare the author whom you find "delicious" to be 
2088
2089Quote:
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2091 one of the most gifted and imaginative writers
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2093
2094in the history of paedophilia. Well okay that's your opinion. 
2095There you go thinking what's true for you is true of everyone. But, it happens to be the case that many of us were reading and studying Lewis for entirely different reasons. You might say our appetites for the "delicious" Lewis had more to do with the genius of its mathematical symmetry. 
2096
2097So today's quote I post in your honour:
2098Quote:
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2100 "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they never use." - Kierkegaard
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2102
2103This forum does not exist for you to act out your interpersonal problems at the expense of others and my patience with you is wearing thin. 
2104
2105Keyphrases: Multiplicity, card, Sara, The Looking Glass, slithy toves, sundial, sidewalk, synchronicities, friend I don't have any more except in spirit, No haunting; JOMULDOWNEY, most gifted and imaginative writers, Dodgson; Failed schizophrenia campaign, paedophilia, Lewis, delicious, mathematical symmetry, freedom of speech, freedom of thought. 
2106
2107
2108Email from m.a.carr@decaelo.com to lucanian@hotmail.com
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2111From "M Carr" <m.a.carr@decaelo.com> 
2112To "Luke S" <lucanian@hotmail.com> 
2113Re: Urgent attention Maggy Carr Re; Forum 
2114Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:28:34 -0400 
2115Luke 
2116I've had some long-term problems with the mail server at my domain, and it has managed to lose any mail sent to me overnight and this morning. So, if you've sent anything in that time, please re-send it. I was hoping to hear from you. 
2117Thanks. 
2118Maggie. 
2119
2120
2121From: Luke S <lucanian@hotmail.com>
2122To: m.a.carr@decaelo.com
2123Sun 11 aug 2002 22.14
2124Hi Maggie.
2125Yes, I recieved your e-mail and saw that this afternoon. I've barely had time for all this, this was one of the problems with the damn thing, and I have to keep this mailing short as I've got to go out. Nonetheles, sorry for the delay.
2126Firstly thanks for your considerate e-mail.and thanks for so promptly removing the item of offence. That seems like the best thing. It certainly couldn't stay up and this kind of thing absolutely shouldn't be being drawn on to that forum. Messages on magazine and record company websites are one thing, the R.D.Laing forum is another matter. [...] I'm a little unsure about quite what's been going on with her presence and from when. I'm assuming you know the IP addresses of all posters. 
2127The posting under 'R.D.Laing' in The Elephant Room carries her name, and dates originally from September 2001. If I remember rightly the author was unknown; they appear to have been claimed in April by her; is this right? The weird thing is, one of the responses (ie statements directed at her)contains her name. It may be that she did originally visit the site, way back around the time I was too, at the old Athens site. But I find this doubtful. Still, if so, then so be it. Can you confirm if the 'suicidal peanut', Miss Muldowney and the 'luckymca2002' posts all carried the same IP? [...]
2128Remember some of her comments I think are aimed at me, even when they appear innocent ('The Pink Floyd singer was my dad' thing, I showed you she keeps comparing me to famous faces, Liam Gallagher etc, and then that singed Led Zep thing.) I've been through alot around this, but it's widespread, not just her, she just remains selectively oblivious and wants me to think it's all about me. [...]
2129For now, I'd say leave it as it is. Don't block her IP address, just leave her be. If she wishes to argue theoretical points with others, then so be it. I'd be wary of humilating her though Maggie, because this is how it goes 'round, and it will have more consequences for me, I don't want to be overly collusive or 'play the game'. The thing about this kind of thing is it tends to become self perpetuating. It goes 'round. Someone does one thing, I react, she reacts, someone else reacts, no-one knows who's doing what, people collude with her, people are dragged into it. And it's others that do the most harm (her friend is particularly manipulative, other men are always getting at me, jealous etc...)
2130
2131[...]
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2137CathyMcG
2138Registered User
2139Posts: 23
2140(8/11/02 5:24:32 pm)
2141enough already
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2143The spat between Maggie and Josie is now dominating at least four of the topics in "general discussion". I call it a spat because the dialogue has certainly moved away from being intelligent and informed debate and moved towards name-calling. Can we at least agree that enough is enough and get on with discussing issues that we care about.
2144Cathy 
2145
2146
2147Email from m.a.carr@decaelo.com to lucanian@hotmail.com
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2149
2150From "M Carr" <m.a.carr@decaelo.com> 
2151To "Luke S" <lucanian@hotmail.com> 
2152Re: Maggie? 
2153Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:47:24 -0400 
2154
2155Hi Luke,
2156Yes, I did receive the letter, I was so glad to, because I wondered how things were for you now. I'll be changing domain hosts very soon and will put this one's garbage service behind me, and won't have day-long mail server failures any more. [...]
2157I wanted to write you about the old messages that were posted by me as Moderator in the archives, etc. They were all migrated verbatim from the old Laing message board when the site was sitting in Geocities.http://members4.boardhost.com/rdlaing/
2158Scott disabled it so no new messages could be posted, but the old messages as they exist are still there, so it looks like she actually posted her views back in September, however, whether the content about the hospitalisations, etc. is on the level is anybody's guess, personally, it doesn't matter from my position, but I can appreciate very much how important this is for you. [...]
2159Also, in regard to suicidal peanut, the IP address was not one she's used to post any josie or variation of that name; in a moment of carelessness I didn't check luckymca2002 whatever it was before I deleted it. It could have been done by, or from the computer of a friend of hers anyway. I had several reasons other than an IP address for thinking it was fishy, not the least of which the fact that Lucky Luciano died in 1962... it was all adding up to bs to me. It is extremely uncharacteristic for people to go to the trouble to write a post like that and not register. [...]
2160What interests me though is what the basis of all this 'rock' ideation is about, if it is coming from her career aspirations.... I remembered the PinkFloyd's Daughter website and wondered if she had a part in that, it has that "I'm so deep and bitter and poetic" kind of cliché to it. Time for some people to just get over themselves. For some reason I thought the Palmer thing had something to do with ELP, was I off?
2161
2162[...]
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2165Unofficial R.D.Laing Website forum: 14 August 2002
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2168threetimeseight
2169Registered User
2170Posts: 1
2171(8/14/02 9:12:32 am)
2172Future Fantasy
2173
2174First day:
2175Suddenly the time seems to stand still. A white, flying horse approaches. He could not believe his eyes, but he is not surprised, since he had a strange feeling today.
2176He arrives on the flying horse in Jerusalem. Slowly he makes his way through the crowd. Some people are afraid, others are yelling Messiah. He is clothed with light, that no man can see his face.
2177He stops when he sees some reporters with TV cameras.
2178He says: I am a troubleshooting engineer and live in Germany. The Lord has given me a new name. My name is David.
2179I am no prophet and do not intend to say anything about Jesus or Mohammed, maybe later. But one thing is for sure:
2180Jesus is the word, truth. God is love. Jesus did the will of the Father, that means love is higher than truth. This is my key: love is higher than truth.
2181I think the Lord has chosen me because I could forgive the worst sinner, if he repents. And I have fantasy like a child.
2182For example: A voice told me that I am the last one. What would be if I invent a time machine and become the first one? But there might be two problems: You can only travel in the spirit and you will lose all your memory. So you have to send your story first. Therefore it is written: In the beginning was the word...
2183Usually I would recommend to read the Bible, but there are errors in it. 
2184So solve the contradictions with fantasy and have faith like a Muslim.
2185
2186[...]
2187
2188Second day:
2189David checks the different newspapers to see if they report the news unbiased. With the help of God he changes the stories wherever necessary. People need to know the truth.
2190The Muslims are wondering who David is. He did not contradict the Quran, and he rides on a flying horse like Mohammed. Surely he is a man of God.
2191The Christians have realized that he is the overcomer.
2192The Jews find their belief confirmed: he is the second Messiah, while Jesus must have been the first Messiah, although some are struggling with Jesus.
2193David arrives and some reporters ask if he is God.
2194David says: I am not the light, but I am send to bear witness of the light that all men through me might believe.
2195
2196[...]
2197
2198Third day:
2199The people are wondering who the man of sin is. All nations make preparations to send embassadors to Jerusalem. Some people say that David is the first rider of the Apokalypse, the antichrist, especially the Catholic Church has this opinion. But the majority still thinks that David is a man of God.
2200David arrives and one reporter asks him about Revelation.
2201
2202[...]
2203
2204David continues: I thought about the meaning of colors: blue is the color of God, red is the color of the Holy Ghost, green is the color of the son in the flesh and yellow is the color of the son in the spirit.
2205White is the color of purity and black is the color of the Holy War, the war of truth. It will be fought with weapons like TV, radio, newspaper and Internet.
2206Prepare yourself for war.
2207You have to give a signal for unity. Change your National Hymn to the song „Brothers in Arms“ from Dire Straits. This will be your baptism of fire. Whoever plays the most beautiful song will receive the most blessings. 
2208
2209[...]
2210
2211I heard that president George Bush executed one of my sheep. He is the son of a liar. But remember one thing: if he repents, we have to forgive him.
2212Don’t be afraid. You do not know the power of love. The Lord says my heart is like a bottomless pit.
2213Fourth day:
2214Some countries did not report the event of the third day, especially the western countries since the media are controlled by the illuminati. David appears in such countries and repeats his words.
2215
2216[...]
2217
2218Sixth day:
2219The Americans are shaken in their beliefs, but their national pride prevents them to give in. They support their president and think that nobody could do anything against their superpower. But slowly their minds are changing. Some Americans prepare themselves for demonstrations against George Bush. Some people in the White House quit their job. George Bush gets nervous when he sees people clothed in black.
2220
2221[...]
2222
2223Future:
2224Life Outreach has become the richest organization and it is going to help all people on earth. Nobody has to feel hunger any longer.
2225The Americans would like David to be their president, but David says: I would like to live like a normal man.
2226Others would like to see his face.
2227David says: I can not show you my face, because I want to live a normal life. But one thing will I tell you: I have a dragon tattoo over my heart, because I am born in the year of the dragon, on the same date as Bruce Lee. Bruce said: you must become like water. Water is the symbol for the word of God, and the word of God is Jesus.
2228David says: I did not tell you about the resurrection. All people who ever lived are on earth right now. It is not a reincarnation, but a spirit transformation.
2229David says: everything is said and done. It is time for me to go into pension, but I have no money. If somebody could give me a little house at the beach of Florida? I like to watch the Dolphins. By the way do you know that song „Dolphin“ from Prince?
2230
2231[...]
2232
2233Keyphrases: time, white flying horse, Jerusalem, Messiah, light, no man can see his face, TV cameras, engineer, Germany, David, Jesus, God, love, truth, father, love is higher than truth, key, Lord, repents, fantasy, child, time machine, story, Bible, Muslim, Quran, Mohammed, Christians, overcomer, Jews, man of sin, Apokalypse, antichrist, Catholic Church, Revelation, colours, black is the colour of the Holy War, TV, radio, newspaper, Internet, Prepare yourself for war, Brothers in Arms, Dire Straits, George Bush, sheep, bottomless pit, illuminati, people clothed in black, Life Outreach, dragon tattoo over my heart, Bruce Lee, water, All people who ever lived are on earth right now, said and done, Florida, Dolphins, Prince. 
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2239josie999
2240Registered User
2241Posts: 2
2242(8/14/02 2:57:30 pm)
2243Re: 'Dodson'
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2245 To make a personal attack on my character, to label me a hostile narcissist, is transgressive.
2246To insinuate that I read and studied Lewis because I was interested in his 'paedophilia', is transgressive. (I read Lewis, as thousands of other children did, and found him to be a good storyteller.)
2247To claim that he was a paedophile is a)libellous and b)discounted by most serious scholars of his work.
2248As to my grammatical error, 'the' is italicised, and you have quoted me wrongly.
2249As the administrator of this forum, I would expect you to have more responsibility. As somewhat of a contributor, I would ask you to retract on the above points, otherwise I would not be able to engage further.
2250As to the failed shizophrenia argument; I am not sure what you mean by failed, but since there seems to be an emerging antipathy to the main subject area of Laing's life work, which happens to be the main reason for me even being present in this forum, I am also losing interest rapidly.
2251I did not come here to gratify anybody's ego, I came here to speak form my heart and mind; if this is your version of a spleen, then I am in the wrong place. 
2252 
2253
2254Maggie Carr
2255registered member
2256Posts: 112
2257(8/14/02 8:49:21 pm)
2258Re: GraFfiTi
2259--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2260 As to your liberal spreading of advice to others in this forum regarding who ought to be humble, who should not, who is insane, who is a namedropper, holds a magic wand, should get their books rebound and now it appears, how I should moderate this forum -- here is some advice for you: There is a saying, As you call into the woods, so it calls back to you.
2261You would do well to tack those words up where you can be reminded of them as you write your posts. Evidently you do not care to be treated with the same contemptuous regard, the same irresponsible accusations and false conclusions that you ply on others. You were more in need of a mirror than a 'looking glass', so I provided you with one. You are welcome. 
2262
2263
2264josie999
2265Registered User
2266Posts: 4
2267(8/14/02 3:59:25 pm)
2268Re: The namesake of the forum, Laing and What He Said
2269--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2270 PS, Maggie, I realise you have already qouted the bit about anti-psychiatry, just thought I would reiterate it myself, since it has been insinuated that I am anti-psychiatry, which I am not. [...]
2271
2272
2273Pollyanna2002
2274Registered User
2275Posts: 2
2276(8/20/02 7:03:09 pm)
2277Re: Laing and What He Said
2278--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2279 The topic quote did indeed come from 'R D Laing A Divided Self', the book by John Clay. Josie, you should remember to put the author's name after the title of the book, bibliographically speaking. Anyway, R D Laing wrote 'The Divided Self'. All of the qoutes came from R D Laing A Divided Self as was cited after the topic.
2280Anyway, ahem, right, who cares what book it came from, it is the thought that counts. And what brilliant thoughts they were. [...]
2281
2282
2283Moderator
2284Administrator
2285Posts: 50
2286(8/23/02 8:42:11 pm)
2287Re: pollyjo2002 eats tale
2288--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2289Have no idea what your purpose or intention was in contributing to this forum in the manner that you have, but there is a strict rule against any form of stalking whatsoever, and it is clearly the case that you constantly seek to provoke argument from Kevin Keough and from me, and seek the attention of Scara6 by whatever means you can employ. 
2290Had you any genuine interest in what Laing had to say, you might be able to make a case for remaining here, but clearly from the nonsense you have posted in this topic, you do not. 
2291
2292
2293MSN Messenger: inwildeflowers@hotmail.com and lucanian@hotmail.com: August 2002
2294--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2295
2296[...]
2297
2298InWildeFlowers says: I wonder what josie and her runts would do if I created an ad hoping to attract your attention.
2299Luke says: Now she's done this: i saw you god!6 yrs ago b4 I ended up in Plymouth.Not obsessed,onnist,just wondering how yer doing, blackberet-boy - still got the stretchmarks from swimming?I'm now a surfer lost in Brum, 1 day I'll b back in Bristol & wd b nice to meet up maybe...! She thought threetimeseight was my way of saying sorry or someting
2300InWildeFlowers says: yeah, she can dream. all part of the narcissism.
2301Luke says: really the synchronicites in that thing are overwhelming..she's ridiculously cryptic. Then her freind did this. I saw you on Maoming Nan Lu, Ala Shanghai. You walked through the crowds and said 'He who seeks revenge should dig two graves'. Bloody hell, I thought to myself. 
2302InWildeFlowers says: her friend did what?
2303Luke says: That
2304InWildeFlowers says: okay. 
2305Luke says: Bceause of the 'revenge is a dish best served cold' right? Then 3x8 goes on about 'preparing for war' and Bruce Lee. She's a martial artist, born in the year of the dragon, with a tattoo of a dragon on her back, over her heart
2306InWildeFlowers says: You mean in that stupid dolphins post about 15 days?
2307Luke says: Just as he described himself. I've had some weird ones. You know it sounds like nutty ideation, but... Yes. That's why I thought it was them, because of all the parallells. Therer's a heck of alot of them
2308
2309InWildeFlowers says: Well, 3x8 used a completely different IP address, while polly's was josie's address of course.
2310
2311Luke says: Although I found out his real name. Ralf Biermann. 
2312InWildeFlowers says: Prince's real name?
2313Luke says: haha. no threetimeseight
2314
2315[...]
2316
2317InWildeFlowers says: Really, I think this 3x8 character is a lone agent. Actually, I think he might be potentially dangerous. Read the subtext of revenge. 
2318Luke says: Yes, well, the synchronicity is ridiculous, but even if he is prciselty who he appears to be, it would have had the same effect on them, they would have thought it was me. Now she pulls this mother complex bullshit on me. JOS - missing u! It's been more than 14 years and I still think of you often. Please get in contact - you know where I am! x 
2319InWildeFlowers says: Sure, well, my own friend Sara (Yansa) thought I was you and praxister. She could have asked me, but instead decided to post a lot of ridiculous accusation. I mean, what's that?
2320Luke says: Arrrrgh
2321
2322[...]
2323
2324InWildeFlowers says: yeah! what was up with that "one-legged.." business. I thought that particularly ironic, because my ex-husband has one leg.
2325
2326[...]
2327
2328InWildeFlowers says: Well, it is kind of expected in elephant room. It makes it easier for people to ignore it. But she has had a toxic effect on the forum, I would prefer she just not be there. 
2329InWildeFlowers says: there was already a registered member named josie muldowney, which is why she used it unregistered. 
2330Luke says: Really?
2331Luke says: That's what was going on?
2332Luke says: She stole someone else's name?
2333InWildeFlowers says: appears so. 
2334Luke says: I knew it couldn't have been her originally...
2335
2336[...]
2337
2338
2339Emails from laurencedungworth@yahoo.co.uk to hamfistdothereyougo@hotmail.com: 24 August 2002
2340------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2341
2342From: Laurence Dungworth <laurencedungworth@yahoo.co.uk>
2343To: hamfistdothereyougo@hotmail.com 
2344Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:40am 
2345bonjournio!
2346una timeo, j'avais ritten a you, et je neve ere egin. que est que tu doing? tu sounder tres interesting et je will ere plus from tu. par for vore, skrive a moi et teller que est quetu desire
2347a bientot
2348laurence
2349
2350[...]
2351
2352From: Laurence Dungworth <laurencedungworth@yahoo.co.uk> 
2353To: hamfistdothereyougo@hotmail.com 
2354Florence Dungpile 
2355Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:57pm
2356Hello O enigmatic one (i.e. I don't know your name[even a pretend one]), Firstly. What is the matter with my name? Is it the Laurence bit that you don't like, or the Dungworth? I am very used to it by now, though schooldays weren't always jolly. 
2357Secondly. You're right, I'm sorry. I don't make much effort in my typing because I have got used to autocorrect which does everything for me but doesn't work on the e-mail. I hope you notice that I am making more effort now. The e-mail generally was pretty crap, as I was trying to be witty, whilst at the same time trying to be laid-back so that I don't come accross as a very desperate psycopath (which I am not!). If I had known you would respond I would have made more effort.
2358And thirdly. Can you get an e-mail address that I can actually remember?
2359In your ad you mention you are a mother. Boy/girl? How old? does he/she live with you? I have a nine year old daughter who lives with me during the week and visits her mum at the weekend. The benefit of that is that we have a break from each other and can then appreciate the times that we do have together that much more.
2360I would like to know more about you, and I would prefer to do that in person, as i find these computer things a bit odd at times. But maybe you want to wait a bit, or maybe you want to know more about me. 
2361Yours, suitably chastised,
2362Laurence (still and unrepentently so)
2363
2364
2365Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 26 August 2002
2366------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2367
2368I see you everyday, I don't think you realise how much I want you to be mine, pity fate or time not on our side, If your great romance should ever end there's always me X 
2369
2370I saw you in Gretna green 14/02/01 it was the greatest day of my life, My love for you will never die XXX 
2371
2372Keyphrases: everyday, fate, time, great romance, Gretna green. 
2373
2374
2375Venue magazine website, male seeks female: 26 August 2002
2376------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2377
2378Howlin' Lupine 
2379Ringo 
2380smoulderingwolf@hotmail.com 
2381Bristol 
2382Will you tame me? 
2383Smouldering steppenwolf will eat out of the hand of she who is not afraid of his feral intensity. Meet me in the world between worlds and I will come to you naked, defenceless, complete. 
2384
2385Someone special 
2386Pisces 
2387someonespecial@blueyonder.co.uk 
2388Bristol 
2389A man of many parts, all fully working, I'm 49, 5' 9", slim to medium build, a fairly fit, attractive, sometimes bearded Shaun Connery look alike, recently available, independent, many varied interests, plays guitar, paints, earns living as carpenter. A free spirit, I'd love to meet another who can be sanely wild sometimes but know when to be cool when called for. Like me, you'll be creative, caring, compassionate, loyal, humourous, intelligent but unpretentious, affectionate, passionate, a generous and relaxed lover, optimistic and without detructive emotional baggage. Oh to be matched. I'd love to find a true soulmate to share my life with if I'm honest but all explorative emails received will be replied to. Lush and real, all woman would be simply wonderful. 
2390
2391Chris 
2392not bothered 
2393newsforchris@hotmail.com 
2394Artistic, attractive male 32 with a taste for the spontaneous, seeking an attractive woman with similar passions for a mutual adventure of the soul. I am outgoing, honest, sensitive and actively creative. I play the saxophone and love the arts. I love the quiet vibrancy of the countryside yet enjoy an evenings excitement in a cities buzz. (A glimpse : a meander into the evenings beach, rhythmic waves caress our feet, the magical stars of the milkyway, the next most natural thing to do would be to kiss) 
2395My dream needs to be made more complete, hence my search. 
2396
2397Greg Downey 
2398Cancer 
2399gredow@hotmail.com 
2400Bristol 
2401im a study abroad student from southern california, u.s.a. i will be arriving in bristol on september 28th, 2002. i will be staying until june 20th, 2003. it will be my first time in the u.k. and am looking for some (lucky) girl to show me around and do some travelling with me. im 23 years old. 
2402
2403B 
2404Gemini 
2405song2siren@hotmail.com 
2406Bristol 
2407msf 
2408Tall, slim, athletic man, 27, seeks bright, lively girl for gigs, pubs, clubs and general cheeriness. I play guitar too if that's still cool... 
2409
24101Alien 
2411Not Really Bothered 
24121alien@extraterrestrial.co.uk 
2413Currently stranded on Earth 
2414Seeking female earthling, slim enough to fit entry hatch in ship. Willing to participate in experiments to explore this life form and its pleasure circuitry. I am currently configured as a male Earthling. All possible endings available. Have occupied an Earthling dwelling in Bristol so as to study this strange life form. 
2415
2416Charles 
2417Gemini 
2418helterskeltergimmeshelter@hotmail.com 
2419of Mind 
2420C.Manson WLTM L.Borden for mutual axe grinding and family therapy. GSOH and own axe preferred. 
2421
2422Si 
2423Gemini 
2424drshay999@hotmail.com 
2425Bristol 
2426Sadly not a real doctor, although I do have a great bedside manner! 27 year old professional male, 6'2" tall and slim. Enjoys sport, travelling and having fun etc. Wanted: Intelligent, funny and slightly nutty female, 20 - 35 with similiar outlook on life for cool times. 
2427
2428Keyphrases: Howlin' Lupine, wolf, steppenwolf, feral; Shaun Connery, Chris, newsforchris; Downey, lucky; B, song2siren; Alien, extraterrestrial, earthling; helterskelter, Charles Manson, L. Borden, axe, family therapy; Si, dr, 999. 
2429
2430
2431Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 28 August 2002
2432------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2433
2434Sitting next to me on the 376 from Wells to Bristol at around 6 to 7 pm-ish! on Friday evening 23rd August. We didn't exchange names but I spoke of Chinese Medicine and you spoke of becoming a Barrister, and sticking two fingers up to the establishment. You were heading back to get a train to Birmingham and said you were coming to Bristol for you final year studying Law. You said I'm sure we'll meet again, wanna revise your statement, and actually give me an actual date for a trial? 
2435
2436hello:) well ummm yea he was in bath n had black hair n baggy jeans n was o so cute 
2437
2438Keyphrases: Chinese Medicine, Barrister, two fingers up to the establishment, Law, revise your statement, trial; bath, black hair n baggy jeans, cute. 
2439
2440
2441September 2002
2442========================================================
2443
2444Venue magazine website, male seeks female: 3 September 2002
2445------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2446
2447Little Fishie 
2448Libra 
2449Boygirl2003@yahoo.co.uk 
2450Greater Bristol 
2451Gentle kind Boy 25 seeks pretty bubbly girl for crazy friendship and more. I am a happy, imaginative and friendly lad, who likes footy and sports, but is NOT a nasty arrogant lager lout. I like fluffy animals and Tuna steaks (but not at the same time). I also like Rock and going to gigs. I am looking for friendships but more importantly a secondary partner as I have a Polyamourous relationship. My partner would NOT be involved. Are there any nice girls that want to keep this lonely all round nice lad company whilst my partner goes out with her girlfriend??? PLEASE NOTE: NO COUPLES PLEASE! THOUGH WE HAVE A ALTERNATIVE RELATIONSHIP WE ARE NOT SWINGERS!!! Ta :-) 
2452
2453
2454Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 3 September 2002
2455------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2456
2457I SAW YOUR "I SAW YOU" BELOW, TO THE CRAZY HAIRED IRISH BIRD...RIGHT IF ITS ONE OF MY MATES GIVE IT UP SMART ARSES! OTHERWISE, I HAVE KNOW IDEA WHO YOU ARE, PLEASE MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN?!FROM A CRAZY HAIRED IRISH BIRD WHO GURNS LIKE A TROOPER! 
2458
2459Keyphrases: Crazy haired Irish bird, mates, smart arses, trooper. 
2460
2461
2462MSN Messenger: inwildeflowers@hotmail.com and lucanian@hotmail.com: September 2002
2463------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2464
2465[...]
2466
2467Luke says: i've been distracting myself building shelves. It's that carpentry thing again 
2468InWildeFlowers says: yeah, I was always a lot better at mobilising for solutions in working with clients. I go into 'fix it' mode... 
2469InWildeFlowers says: shelves, a great idea! 
2470
2471InWildeFlowers says: It took two weeks, but I finally got the domain moved to a new DNS server, so things will improve with the actual site. We never got a newsletter sent out this month. Completely awful, considering it was the month of the anniversary of his death.
2472
2473Luke says: Check out these statements from her e-mails...
2474Luke says: 3 : You really are crazy. There is a fine line between being really interesting and unconventional, and being a few fries short of a happy meal.
2475Luke says: P.S. Your punctation and sentence construction suck.
2476
2477Luke says: She never uses abbreviations. It's all 'it is, I am, Cannot, they are', never it's, I'm, they're, etc. So it always sounds like her because her grammar is so archaic
2478
2479[...]
2480
2481Luke says: Kevin was right with Tao of pooh
2482InWildeFlowers says: what did he write about that? I didn't notice. 
2483Luke says: Oh he went all starnge for a mo in one of the topics, the iniviation. I los hima bit there I think...I think he ws calling me some muso and Josie Jerry Falwell (the preacher)...something about Jesus. Actually made me maugh tho
2484
2485[...]
2486
2487InWildeFlowers says: oh that about pooh, was because he has an email address that includes 'bearwhisperer', so I call him bear sometimes. 
2488
2489[...]
2490
2491InWildeFlowers says: he was going to a Todd Rundgren concert the next day, and we'd been speaking on the phone about it; he is a casual acquaintance of Todd's , he is much closer friends with Jon Anderson and his lot, so it was a bit of a jumble. He also works 20 hour days sometimes, people have really no idea what it takes to be a psychologist. 
2492Luke says: Sure
2493Luke says: But Jerry Falwell?
2494
2495[...]
2496
2497Keyphrases: shelves, carpentry, Tao of Pooh, Jerry Falwell, Jesus, bear, Todd Rundgren, Jon Anderson. 
2498
2499
2500Email (unsolicited) from 2nbasilicatan@xe.com: 10 September 2002
2501------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2502
2503From: 2nbasilicatan@xe.com
2504Date: 10 September 2003 20:09
2505To: basilicatan@hotmail.com
2506Cc: basilick@hotmail.com
2507Subject: Concedes
2508
2509
2510Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 11 September 2002
2511------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2512
2513I saw you at Alton Towers on Saturday the 7th September in the queue for 'Oblivion' - A Blond haired, blue eyed guy with a lip stud. Something was incredibly intriguing and i'd love to hear from him - jane_lane@mail.com 
2514
2515Keyphrases: Alton Towers, Oblivion, Blonde, blue eyed, jane lane. 
2516
2517
2518Venue magazine website, male seeks female: 13 September 2002
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2520
2521Steve 
2522Aries 
2523steveofwolm@yours.com 
2524Bristol 
2525I've been waking up alone far too long now, I've been living in Bristol for two years now, I love this city. I'm 25, not much to look at, tall and slim. I have a great life here and I'm looking for someone to share it with. I can offer you great times out, if you enjoy festivals, clubs and parties. Or great nights in, if you like films, food, music (and my friends). I am a cool, calm and collected guy, an armchair philosopher and student of the university of life. I like to travel and adventure. You are up for new things, rough or smooth. You can last all night and still be smiling and dancing at dawn. Or chilling and chatting curled up on a couch. You are happy and you love life. That's all I want. No complications, no arguments, no problems. I just want someone to share all of this with and have some fun. 
2526
2527TinTin 
2528Aquarius 
2529pwhittock@hotmail.com 
2530south bath, west wiltshire, north mendips 
25316ft, fit, presentable, educated and well spoken, 44 yr old, dark blonde, student of life WLTM attractive lady for enjoyable nights out (or in - let me cook you a meal). Any woman who owns' a raincoat, plays backgammon (or similar) and adores icecream are especially encouraged to apply. 
2532
2533Keyphrases: wolm, World of Life Ministries, armchair philosopher, university of life, complications, arguments, problems; TinTin, dark blonde, student of life, raincoat, backgammon, icecream. 
2534
2535
2536Venue magazine website, female seeks male: 13 September 2002
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2538
2539daah, pish posh smithers, pish posh. 
2540choose your star sign 
2541harryburgess2001@hotmail.com 
2542Well, i'm a runnin' down the road tryin to loosen my load, seven women on maa mind, 4 are trying to chase me 2 are trying to kill me, one says she's a friend of mine, take it eeeaaaasssy. 24 years and now i'm a number on this factory line. St Ives, Elvis, sky blue, buddhism, the spark, (i'm a masseur with a house) jeff buckley, RAY CHARLES, nusrat fateh ali khan, baraka, six feet under, healing and chakra's, NLP, smiles, good food, Berlin, Barcelona and BICYCLING !! that's me (kinesthetic) at this point, who are you? 
2543
2544Keyphrases: smithers, posh, harry burgess, load, seven women, chase, kill me, friend of mine, St Ives, Elvis, sky blue, buddhism, spark, masseur, Ray Charles, nusrat fateh ali khan, six feet under, chakras, NLP, Berlin, Barcelona, Bicycling. 
2545
2546
2547'Spam' email (unsolicited) recieved to lukes@myself.com: 15 September 2002
2548------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2549Immediately following the removal of the "luckymca" post, signed "Luciano", from the Laing forum, I receive a spam email, listing endless variations on the name to one of my mail.com addresses. The name would reappear as that of the "blind Italian blackjack dealer" on the Jung Page forums. 
2550
2551From: luan@ myself.com, luann@ myself.com, luap@ myself.com, luar@ myself.com,lubin@ myself.com, luc@ myself.com, lucena@ myself.com, lucero@ myself.com,luchini@ myself.com, luci@ myself.com, lucia@ myself.com, lucian@ myself.com,luciana@ myself.com, lucius@ myself.com, luckie@ myself.com, lucky3@ myself.com,lucky7@ myself.com, luckydevil@ myself.com, luckystar@ myself.com,luco@ myself.com, lucy@ myself.com, lud@ myself.com, ludo@ myself.com,lue@ myself.com, lufia@ myself.com, luisa@ myself.com, luisito@ myself.com,luismg@ myself.com, luiza@ myself.com, luka@ myself.com, lukas@ myself.com,lukeduke@ myself.com, lukem@ myself.com, youremail@ domain.com,lukes@ myself.com
2552To: From: luan@ myself.com, luann@ myself.com, luap@ myself.com, luar@ myself.com,lubin@ myself.com, luc@ myself.com, lucena@ myself.com, lucero@ myself.com,luchini@ myself.com, luci@ myself.com, lucia@ myself.com, lucian@ myself.com,luciana@ myself.com, lucius@ myself.com, luckie@ myself.com, lucky3@ myself.com,lucky7@ myself.com, luckydevil@ myself.com, luckystar@ myself.com,luco@ myself.com, lucy@ myself.com, lud@ myself.com, ludo@ myself.com,lue@ myself.com, lufia@ myself.com, luisa@ myself.com, luisito@ myself.com,luismg@ myself.com, luiza@ myself.com, luka@ myself.com, lukas@ myself.com,lukeduke@ myself.com, lukem@ myself.com, youremail@ domain.com,lukes@ myself.com
2553
2554Over $500,000 in free grant money! 13522 15 Sep 2002 3k 
2555
2556
2557Venue magazine website, Male seeks Female: 17 September 2002
2558------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2559
2560Guy Kendall 
2561choose your star sign 
2562guykendall007@hotmail.com 
2563Chew Manga, Nr. Bristol 
2564Love the ladies, got a fast car and big head. You won't get bored with me - I'm a legend. 
2565
2566Tarzan Stripe 
2567Taurus 
2568thegreateroftwoevils@hotmail.com 
2569Bath 
2570Mid 20's male seeks easy going lady 20 - 28. Lots of fun frolicking experiences out there for equally intelligent professionally minded music fan and social fiend. 
2571
2572whiteisland 
2573Scorpio 
2574whiteisland@blueyonder.co.uk 
2575Bristol 
2576Bristol fella, 32, seeks a gorgeous twentysomething, for big nights out, quiet nights in, and spontaneous international travel. Barcelona next weekend anyone ?? 
2577
2578Later
2579choose your star sign 
2580Redfirewolf2002@aol.com 
2581Female,late thirties, would love to meet male for week-ends away - camping/hostelling. Also talking, laughing, playing. Loves: the sea, countryside, scrabble. Hates drunken behavior. Needs to be creaative, self-aware and intelligent. Pref. non-smoker. 
2582
2583Keyphrases: Guy, ladies, fast car, big head, bored, legend; Tarzan Stripe, fiend; white island, Barcelona; Red fire wolf, scrabble, drunken behaviour. 
2584
2585
2586Venue magazine website, I Saw You: September 2002
2587------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2588
2589I saw you, in spyglass Sat 31 Aug, your face painted beautifully - Bacchus? I want to know the story why you were all so beautiful that night. RichardG@easy.com 
2590
2591Keyphrases: spyglass, face painted, Bacchus. 
2592
2593
2594MSN Messenger, September 2002
2595------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2596
2597elvis.......has left the building....!: who r u
2598Sognatore999: who are you?
2599elvis.......has left the building....!: heloooooooooo
2600elvis.......has left the building....!: what
2601Sognatore999: heloooooo
2602elvis.......has left the building....!: harsh, bangalore
2603elvis.......has left the building....!: n u
2604elvis.......has left the building....!: n u
2605
2606[...] 
2607
2608elvis.......has left the building....!: how old r u , may i ask, if its not too soon to ask ............?
2609elvis.......has left the building....!: hmm
2610Sognatore999: If I may ask, why are youcalled 'elvis has left the building'?
2611elvis.......has left the building....!: well its my dream to be elvis.......n if i get some sorta psychosis, i want to tap into the collective unconsciouss of this world , find the soul of elvis n become him
2612elvis.......has left the building....!: then i wana make a dramatic exit...............
2613elvis.......has left the building....!: happy
2614Sognatore999: Mmm...not exactly clear with you on that. Why Elvis?
2615Sognatore999: And what kind of dramatic exit?
2616Sognatore999: And how old are you?...you asked this before.
2617elvis.......has left the building....!: well elvis ............cus most ppl think he is dead
2618elvis.......has left the building....!: i say most ppl cus more think he is still alive
2619Sognatore999: And that doesn't cut the ice with you?
2620elvis.......has left the building....!: n i guess ur thinking this elvis fantasy is a juvenile flight of imagination
2621elvis.......has left the building....!: well it doesnt
2622elvis.......has left the building....!: he has become an enigma
2623elvis.......has left the building....!: he is dead n alive
2624Sognatore999: Ah enigma
2625elvis.......has left the building....!: he was no saintly man but ppl cry at his grave 
2626elvis.......has left the building....!: i mean he has become iconolastic
2627elvis.......has left the building....!: he seems to be in the minds of everyone
2628
2629[...]
2630
2631elvis.......has left the building....!: n frankly i heard the song calling elvis by dire straits n fell in luv with elvis
2632elvis.......has left the building....!: well most ppl like to edify their idols
2633elvis.......has left the building....!: elvis n cia.......well lends a more lasting impression , cus most ppl dont want him dead
2634elvis.......has left the building....!: they dont want his presence but they want him in some sorta way alive but not perceivble to the world
2635elvis.......has left the building....!: they want him to be secretive, in the shadows cus it allows freaks like me, to be able to hope for elvis to come knocking on my door,
2636elvis.......has left the building....!: or see him at the petrol bunk
2637elvis.......has left the building....!: i mean...............its endless what u can do with a dead man
2638Sognatore999: I dread to think 
2639elvis.......has left the building....!: well now ............how old r u
2640Sognatore999: Do you know any other Dire Straits songs?
2641Sognatore999: I still ask you the same, how old are you?
2642elvis.......has left the building....!: well i am 19
2643elvis.......has left the building....!: yes i know all their songs
2644Sognatore999: What else do you like?
2645elvis.......has left the building....!: lotsa things
2646
2647[...]
2648
2649elvis.......has left the building....!: i was a bit curious n wanted to chat with ppl who knew bout jung
2650elvis.......has left the building....!: i mean i wanted to have a more intellectual chat with ne1
2651Sognatore999: Then why not use the forum?
2652elvis.......has left the building....!: so i picked a few hotmail ids n added em
2653Sognatore999: How did you get on?
2654elvis.......has left the building....!: i dont know hot to use a forum n i reckon u cant have a real time conversation there
2655elvis.......has left the building....!: get on what?
2656Sognatore999: With the other attempts?
2657elvis.......has left the building....!: well ur the second
2658Sognatore999: A forum is easier to use than creating a hotmail account!
2659elvis.......has left the building....!: ur friend .... her email is inwidle........
2660
2661[...]
2662
2663Sognatore999: And it's near real time, if there are regular contributions
2664elvis.......has left the building....!: she said she wasnt into personal services, counselling n the life
2665elvis.......has left the building....!: like
2666Sognatore999: The point being that if you use the forum, then people already know who you are, you're not just messageing them out of the blue
2667elvis.......has left the building....!: so she made out my attempt to contact her , a pathetic dating attempt
2668elvis.......has left the building....!: well sorry if i msged u outa the blue so to speak n disrupted ur normal peaceful life
2669
2670[...]
2671
2672elvis.......has left the building....!: well u ppl have met
2673elvis.......has left the building....!: or its an online thing
2674Sognatore999: Why do you ask these kind of questions?
2675Sognatore999: This made her very suspicious you know.
2676elvis.......has left the building....!: wht questions
2677elvis.......has left the building....!: please temme what questions have i asked that deserve ur reproach
2678elvis.......has left the building....!: or ur friend pandoras
2679elvis.......has left the building....!: asking ur age ?maybe
2680elvis.......has left the building....!: wel...............?
2681Sognatore999: That you seem to be personally motivated, rather than intellectually. You ask personal questions, you ask if I'm married, you asked her similar questions, you asked me if it's an 'online thng', whether we have met, you asked hera strange question about sending you a 'last message'...this isn't a reproach by the way, you are not being scolded
2682elvis.......has left the building....!: i know i am not being scolded
2683elvis.......has left the building....!: but if i want to add an element of personalistion to the person i am chattng with
2684elvis.......has left the building....!: is that ne bad
2685elvis.......has left the building....!: i mean if i want to continue conversing with u, i wud surely like to know u as a person then know only bout ur intellectual prowess
2686Sognatore999: Yes, but you are asking very specific questions...age, marriage status, my relationship to her...
2687Sognatore999: I don't mean to be rude by the way
2688elvis.......has left the building....!: well ur not being rude
2689elvis.......has left the building....!: but i dont get it
2690
2691[...]
2692
2693elvis.......has left the building....!: what if iasked all this after some time
2694elvis.......has left the building....!: well i want to discuss some problems i come across in books by jung or freud
2695elvis.......has left the building....!: or psychological problems
2696elvis.......has left the building....!: i mean i dont wan counselling for my personal problems
2697
2698[...]
2699
2700Sognatore999:
27013) What is the significance for you? Why do you require an explanation of why a table in jung's house cracked, and this specifically
2702elvis.......has left the building....!: n they had a discussion as to how the mind can affect such gross material objects
2703elvis.......has left the building....!: well for me its intriguing
2704elvis.......has left the building....!: i mean its scary too, to think that the mind can effect such a destructive change on a table
2705Sognatore999: I see, so you allude to psychokinesis?
2706elvis.......has left the building....!: what then cud it do to affect changes on the brain of human beings
2707elvis.......has left the building....!: exactly
2708Sognatore999: Why didn't you just say that?
2709elvis.......has left the building....!: sorry
2710elvis.......has left the building....!: it eluded me
2711elvis.......has left the building....!: lol
2712elvis.......has left the building....!: well infirmities of a young mind , if u will..........
2713Sognatore999: May I ask, why are you interestex in PK, usually such an interest implies a related experience on the part of the individual in question...
2714elvis.......has left the building....!: well to be honest, i have sometimes felt , rabbits staring at me
2715
2716[...]
2717
2718elvis.......has left the building....!: sometimes , a wandering person in the air looking at me
2719elvis.......has left the building....!: i mean i look to see if ne1 around but no1
2720elvis.......has left the building....!: dmils????
2721elvis.......has left the building....!: i mean its also a desire of mine to control beings, by controlling their thought processess
2722elvis.......has left the building....!: n then maybe divert a potentially dangerous situation
2723Sognatore999: Direct Mental Influence of Living Systems
2724Sognatore999: 'Rabbits staring at you'????
2725elvis.......has left the building....!: frankly it fascinates me, cus if the mind can connect to materia objects, influence it, then it must be true that , in quantum physics everything is connected
2726Sognatore999: What the hell do you men by that?
2727elvis.......has left the building....!: well i see rabbits running around at times
2728elvis.......has left the building....!: i mean n suddenly i catch a glimpse of one standing erect n seeing me
2729elvis.......has left the building....!: i look to stare at it directly but i see nothing
2730Sognatore999: They wouldn't be late by any chance would they, for an important date?
2731elvis.......has left the building....!: hahaha............
2732elvis.......has left the building....!: date with the rabbits
2733elvis.......has left the building....!: well i aint so crazy after all u see
2734Sognatore999: What?
2735elvis.......has left the building....!: what did u say bout date n stuff
2736elvis.......has left the building....!: its getting a lil confusing
2737elvis.......has left the building....!: temme do u beleive in pk
2738elvis.......has left the building....!: u there
2739
2740[...]
2741
2742elvis.......has left the building....!: well catch u later
2743elvis.......has left the building....!: bye then
2744Sognatore999: Bye, take care
2745elvis.......has left the building....!: can i mail u
2746elvis.......has left the building....!: with queries
2747Sognatore999: If you want to yes
2748elvis.......has left the building....!: thank u
2749elvis.......has left the building....!: ur online tomm too?
2750Sognatore999: maybe
2751elvis.......has left the building....!: well can i ask u a personal q
2752Sognatore999: I don't spend alot of time online
2753Sognatore999: Yes
2754elvis.......has left the building....!: u have a picture i can see
2755elvis.......has left the building....!: of u that is
2756Sognatore999: Why do you want a picture?? We had already been thru this haven't we, why the personal appraach?
2757elvis.......has left the building....!: well want to put a face to the person i am chatting with
2758Sognatore999: Then make one up
2759elvis.......has left the building....!: n also if i have dreams, it wud make a good attempt at interpretation
2760elvis.......has left the building....!: come on
2761elvis.......has left the building....!: u have one to give me or not
2762elvis.......has left the building....!: its simple
2763elvis.......has left the building....!: yes or no
2764elvis.......has left the building....!: i reckon no
2765elvis.......has left the building....!: well bye then
2766Sognatore999: what does it have to do with your dreamlife?
2767elvis.......has left the building....!: well what if some sorta dream reveals itself to me, with u in i
2768elvis.......has left the building....!: it
2769elvis.......has left the building....!: i wud like to interpret it n tell u
2770elvis.......has left the building....!: then if nethng of it comes true withu
2771elvis.......has left the building....!: then i guess things are connected after all
2772elvis.......has left the building....!: but u dont have a pic o give me so its o
2773elvis.......has left the building....!: ok
2774elvis.......has left the building....!: we canstick to non personal chat
2775
2776[...]
2777
2778Sognatore999: I stake no 'claims' to anything, although I place little value on the judgements of others unless i have reason to do so. 
2779elvis.......has left the building....!: well so ur abusing me or someting
2780Sognatore999: Abusing? "are u a painnter by nite n a geek by day" To what extent have youbeen abused?
2781elvis.......has left the building....!: sorry
2782elvis.......has left the building....!: i mean i cudnt make it sound more sophisticated
2783
2784[...]
2785
2786elvis.......has left the building....!: well neways
2787elvis.......has left the building....!: nice talkingto u
2788elvis.......has left the building....!: bye
2789elvis.......has left the building....!: gota sleep
2790Sognatore999: Okay, goodbye.
2791
2792Keyphrases: Bangalore, be Elvis, psychosis, dramatic exit, still alive, calling Elvis, Dire Straits, petrol bunk, dead man, 19, Jung, Freud, psychokinesis, rabbits staring at me, control beings, rabbits running around, picture, abusing me. 
2793
2794
2795Jung Page Forums: 16 September 2002
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2797
2798lucky
2799Topic: Farwell to the past 
2800New Member posted 16 September 2002 10:29 
2801
2802Hi guys!
2803I think that USA will be victor in the upcoming war against Iraq. Our excellent President Bush cannot lose this war which his father hasn't finished since 1991. America set free to Iraq despite that no wonder the Iraqi dislike it. Our mission is to bring freedom to everywhere. But an anti-American movement has been spread over the world. And our warriors go on fights. When we really understand us? Our shadow is too much to realize anything. I feel our nation is a Godlike country. I believe we maybe realize ourself in this upcoming war.
2804
2805IP: Logged
2806
2807[...]
2808
2809Keyphrases: lucky, USA, victor, Iraq, President Bush, freedom, anti-American, warriors, shadow, Godlike country. 
2810
2811
2812Email sent to luckysp2002@hotmail.com: September 2002
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2814
2815Hello.
2816What does sp stand for then, dare I ask? I've added you to my contacts, you can e-mail. 
2817I'm not on Jung by the way, in case you hadn't already realised that for yourself (although I never said I was), but Maggie is, three times. And there's nothing 'going on' between us, we just chat alot on messenger. I hadn't even seen the forum until the other day, because you messaged her so I went to see why you might have done so.
2818Luke. 
2819
2820
2821Jung Page Forums: 21 September 2002
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2823
2824Author Topic: letter to Pandora 
2825lucky
2826Member posted 21 September 2002 22:02 
2827 
2828Dear Pandora
2829I apologize you for what I said about him. I couldn't sleep last night. I am not in a good health condition now. I had a broken leg a week ago. Moreover, I am very tired of writing my treatise. I hope we are good friends still.
2830Again, I apologize for my allegations.
2831Sincerely yours
2832Lucky
2833
2834Keyphrases: apologize, said about him, broken leg, allegations, Lucky. 
2835
2836
2837Venue Website, I Saw You: 18 September 2002
2838------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2839
2840I saw you ignoring my point. I saw you closing your ears and your mind. 
2841I saw you resorting to stereotypes. 
2842I saw you humiliating me. 
2843And I decided that I am invaluable 
2844And you know that 
2845And that's why you're a Loser. 
2846
2847I saw you at 17/9/02 about 4pm Zetland Rd junction, young nice looking guy with dark blonde ponytail and beard. You went in a phone box, you looked at me before you crossed the road. Me - attractive blonde girl in colourful jumper, red cords with bicycle. Email: rabbit666@hotmail.com (Saw you a few months ago at Ashton Court one Sunday afternoon and thought corr then too!) 
2848
2849I saw you in your car..13/8/02 I can`t believe I`m thousand miles away from U now.. Missing U... and ur ocean colour blue eyes.. I`ll be there soon... Me wiz chocolate almond eyes xxx 
2850
2851I SAW U....in a yellow van with GRANT something or other on it you were the passenger with a cheeky smile!...i was in a red fiesta at the traffic lights in old market....wanna show me your builders bum?... 
2852
2853Keyphrases: ignoring my point, stereotypes, humiliating, Loser; Zetland Rd junction, dark blonde pony tail and beard, phone box, blonde girl, red cords, bicycle, rabbits666; thousand miles away, blue eyes, chocolate almond eyes; GRANT, red Fiesta, builders bum. 
2854
2855
2856Graphics channel on the Undernet IRC network: September 2002
2857------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2858
2859(User enters channel) 
2860I am Doctor Blackcross.
2861(20 second pause)
2862I bring peace.
2863(20 second pause)
2864And now begone.
2865(User leaves channel) 
2866
2867Keyphrases: Doctor Blackcross, peace, begone. 
2868
2869
2870Unsolicited emails from 'Jamie Adams' to hamfistdothereyougo@hotmail.com: September 2002 (the IP address in email headers traced to servers in the United States)
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2872
2873Well, does that magic dragon bullshit flow straight down your arms and onto the keyboard? 
2874How was your childhood etc textbook crap etc?
2875Meet me for an argument followed by a night of passion. . . . fruit smoothies.
2876
2877Love Jamus.
2878
2879[...]
2880
2881I love you. 
2882
2883Keyphrases: magic dragon, bullshit, childhood, textbook, argument, passion fruit smoothies, I love you. 
2884
2885
2886Venue magazine website, Personals: 19 September 2002
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2888 
2889not yvette 
2890Sagittarius 
2891rabbits666@hotmail.com 
2892bristol 
2893very pretty, slim, blonde blue eyed female, into arts and culture,cinema,yoga,keeping fit,psychology,and human life in general,wltm:attractive long haired man,26-34 y o,for fun, warm, loving times.I am quite spiritual and abit of a hippy at heart, so would like someone who has a slightly wild sensuous side to them. 
2894
2895Hermione 
2896Not Really Bothered 
2897untamedhsrew67@hotmail.com 
2898Cerebral 
2899OK, I'm going to be harsh here.. 
29001. Tall - No *small* men: ie: those claiming they are 5'10 and don't actually come up to my...uh...chins 
29012: Brainy! - u got a degree?? well hey ho. 
29023: Funny/sharp/witty - Ok I don't ask 4 much but pleeeeeez no more telly veg boys 
29034. - Baggage - begone- it's an issue - v bored of it. 
2904
2905Mr Folly 
2906choose your star sign 
2907another_folly@hotmail.com 
2908Bristol/Bath 
2909Foolish cheeky chappy seeky flirty fit fun female..or failing that a giggling girlie. Well, actually I'm flexible. Go on. 
2910
2911The Wigged One (22) 
2912Not Really Bothered 
2913wiggy@inorbit.com 
2914Around Clifton,Redland,Cotham and Westbury Park. 
2915Basically I have got a full blonde head of hair and a Indie/Sixties look and 6ft. Looking for a girl brimming with confidence on the outside but can open up to me in private. Must like to go out and stay up all night, get fully leathered and go to Jazz evenings and enjoy them. Will appreciate the chemical side of life as well as have a relaxing Jointy when we get in. Now the normal stuff. Dry Humour, Educated and take care of her figure. My friends are important so integration is the key. 
2916Age Range (22-28ish) 
2917
2918Cancer 
2919peabrain@blueyonder.co.uk 
2920bristol 
2921attractive 41 yr old. intelligent,open minded,not boring(not bothered about football,cars etc).interesting job,pretty successful,easily solvent,practical,emotionally articulate.likes visual stuff,design,good food,tennis,rugby,swimming in the sea and surfing,spain,france,aus,nz...definitely prefer warm weather.dislikes cruelty,arrogance,jugglers,drongoes,shit food.good cook,pretty tidy.friendly,kind, with gsoh.how about you? would like to hear from similar/attractive women. 
2922
2923Keyphrases: rabbits666, yoga, psychology, human life, long haired man, spiritual, hippy; Hermione, Cerebral, degree, Baggage; Folly, cheeky chappy; wiggy, orbit, leathered, Jazz, friends; peabrain, football, cars, cruelty, arrogance, jugglers, drongoes. 
2924
2925
2926Venue magazine website, Personals: September 2002 (appearing whilst in Italy)
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2928
2929Algernon Brouhaha 
2930Virgo 
2931algernonbrouhaha@yahoo.co.uk 
2932Bristol 
2933Bolshie old geezer - 53 - writer, wit, raconteur, bullshitter,no good looker seeks dissolute woman as part time lover for all day benders, scandalous behaviour, discrete liasions, wanton lust, and general mayhem making.Time wasters very welcome. Age immaterial. Must have a sense of the ridiculous. 
2934
2935Blue Eyed Boy 
2936Aries 
2937bristol_blue.eyes@lycos.co.uk 
2938Bishopston 
2939Can you prove me wrong? My search seems simple enough - to meet a lovely, fun loving girl who likes the idea of meeting a well travelled, happy, musical and pretty romantic guy. I'm a young looking 37 with own house and likes gardening, guitars, escaping to the sea, smiles beer, The Prom on Gloucester Road, looking for Victorian stuff in markets, candelit bubble baths (steady!) and generally enjoying life. You'll probably be slim and petite (OK, I'm 5'7 in case you were wondering!) and maybe looking for someone who you might just want to stick around with. That's where I'm at - would love to hear from you. There's possibly a photo in it for likeminded replies! 
2940
2941jt 
2942Aquarius 
2943jaztic@hotmail.com 
2944Bristol 
2945Multi-talented social animal yet to get the guy? Mmmmh, I wonder why?? 
2946Maybe I'm just too busy? It's true, I'm never in. 
2947Or maybe 'coz I fall asleep after half a gin. 
2948It could be coz I'm fab at dancin', I certainly am a groover, 
2949But I don't know what a duster is, or a 'lectric hoover. 
2950So fate has delt a vicious blow, but I've not yet given up. 
2951for I'm a grinner, a happy soul bathed in fun and luck.. 
2952(think I'd better stop this ode, i may get into trouble......) 
2953So I'm off, to wonder who will bring, my fluffy cute love bubble?..He'd probably be crazy, a little bit bananas, 
2954a musical sort of blokey, who doesn't wear pyjamas (??) 
2955He'll read me books at 3am, when sleep has run away 
2956And feed me wine and lovely stuff and always want to play. 
2957The duster is his life long friend, while I make cups of tea. 
2958he'll say I'm gorg, when I look pants and smudged make up's all I see. 
2959He makes me chuckle when things get rough and eveything looks grim 
2960And he'll be strong enough to not let me walk all over him. 
2961In short, an all round splendid chap, who can handle this mad girly. 
2962Someone who makes my legs all weak and makes me feel quite swirly. 
2963
2964Two women up for a laugh 
2965Not Really Bothered 
2966mamamia27@hotmail.com 
2967Bristol 
2968International high flying women (two) of mystery who are looking for men who love loud-laughing,independant,strong, intelligent, active, attractive females. Contact us if you want to chat and maybe meet. 
2969
2970Keyphrases: Algernon Brouhaha, Bolshie, writer, wit, raconteur, bullshitter, ridiculous; Blue Eyed Boy; mamamia, high flying women of mystery. 
2971
2972
2973Venue magazine website, September 2002 (appearing whilst in Italy) 
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2975
2976I saw u. I saw your emotional instability. I saw your hipocracy. I saw your depth of a puddle shallowness. I saw I didn't need that hassle. I saw your narrow mind. I saw I didn't need it. That's why you are so sad. 
2977
2978in the back of an Easton garden, you with fiery hair(used to!), me lustful and passionate for you. Hope we can meet again on more neutral grounds. J 
2979
2980I Saw your message, Easton garden "j" can you be more specific??? Fan of Easton Garden Storytellers x 
2981
2982Keyphrases: emotional instability, hypocrisy, shallowness, hassle, narrow mind, sad; fiery hair, J. 
2983
2984
2985BBC: Timeline of Millie Dowler: 20 September 2002
2986------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2987http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1947954.stm
2988https://archive.is/wlx2D
2989
2990
2991The Guardian: Journalists Caught On Tape In Police Bugging, by Graham McLagan: 21 September 2002
2992------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2993http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/sep/21/privacy
2994https://archive.is/obK4d
2995
2996
2997October 2002
2998========================================================
2999
3000'Spam' emails, unsolicited, recieved to lukes@myself.com: 2 and 3 October 2002
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3002
3003From: "Sirena Skipper" <mzls1sa92@uax.es>
3004Subject: stuck here AAJI
3005Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:53:46 -1600
3006Hello
3007My name is Svetlana. I live in St. Petersberg and I am looking for a real relationship with a real man. I signed up with this internet service to meet good western men, I hope you are really there.
3008Please see and write me here if you like me 
3009
3010From: "Julietta Dunne" <th0m333@topnet.fr> 
3011Subject: I have been looking for you UQOB
3012Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:03:01 -1600
3013Hello
3014My name is Svetlana. I live in St. Petersberg and I am looking for a real relationship with a real man. I signed up with this internet service to meet good western men, I hope you are really there.
3015Please see and write me here if you like me 
3016
3017Keyphrases: Sirena Skipper, Svetlana, St Petersburg, Julietta Dunne. 
3018
3019
3020Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 4 October 2002
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3022
3023DJ DIE I saw you... Sat. 28th Sept, Sainsburys, our eyes met! chic@themusiclounge.fslife.co.uk 
3024
3025(The nurse, yet again, here dialysis and a great tan, suggesting Sophia, otherwise an apparent blonde girl. "David Lloyd" is also the name of the comicbook illustrator of Moore's V for Vendetta. Meanwhile, an older friend of Guy's, Dave Batson, died in 2004 from kidney failure.) 
3026hi J ulian i saw you at david lloyds in august. you gave me some sweet kisses but i snubbed your advances!cant get those sweet kisses ut of my head.any chance you might go there again?as havent seen u lately, im the dialysis nurse with the great tan!!!
3027
3028Keyphrases: DJ Die; Julian, David Lloyds, dialysis nurse, great tan. 
3029
3030
3031Venue magazine website, Female Seeks Male: October 2002
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3033
3034J 
3035Not Really Bothered 
3036mrman@saintly.com 
3037Bristol 
3038Well, - I've travelled the world, near and far, 
3039Yeah, - I've got my own house and car, blah blah blah, 
3040Sure, - I've still got friends, looks, hair, teeth, brains, money and wit, 
3041and I ain't got no baggage, beer belly or bullshit, 
3042but fuck! 
3043no woman to love and to have and to hold, 
3044so I thought I'd try this - it's quite good so I'm told, 
3045so if you're a female who's foxy and fun, 
3046late twenties to forty, with brains and nice bum, 
3047then forget the cheesy poetry, 
3048this 37 year old, easy-going and generally happy guy would love to hear from you! 
3049
3050
3051Venue magazine #531: 4 October - 18 October 2002
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3053
3054I saw you at the E-Shed. Tall, leggy...all eyes on you, with taught, lithe skin. Here's to the next 26 years! Love ya baby!
3055
3056I saw you sexy, sultry Matt sat at the end of the bar...lets get rude together...you know you want to! Box no. 7206
3057
3058I saw you at Birth. Wonderful Mump! Now you know there is a reason to read 'I saw you'. I love ya xxx Esty. Box no 7212
3059
3060I saw you at The Farm. DJ Dad! Playin' phat tunes. Just to say I think your tops... pops! Box no 7213
3061
3062I saw you at The Farm. The first time we met. Now you're my lovely Irish petal.
3063
3064I saw you in my lectures. James Boyle of Bath uni - dreamy hunk! Box no 7214
3065
3066I saw you at Bohemia. Agathe: sexy, sexy young thing with the hot French ass! I wanted to take you over the pool table! (Remember the old days?) Damn I've missed you! Welcome home my goddess. I love you, Christian x. Box no 7217
3067
3068I saw you at the Roo Bar. You had big eyebrows and a lovely pair of winkle pickers. Oh Kirsty, I love you. Will you be my Michael Jackson and blow bubbles? Box no 7216
3069
3070I saw you at the Roo bar. A mature stallion in Wellington boots. Every time I meet you I want to spank your wrinkly arse! Box no 7219
3071
3072I saw you at the Watershed, Male aged 25-28, dark blue shirt, with friends, dark hair and a certain Joie de vievre! Me, tan trousers and dark blue t-shirt. Box no 7219
3073
3074I saw you at the Watershed. You were the bloke looking mashed with the milk bottle stuck 2 the side of ya face. Fair play. Box no 7221
3075
3076I saw you Mr Space Cadet. Clutching your milk bottle and talking to plants. Groooovy. You're not paranoid, we were staring at you. Lets make a movie! Grrr! Box no 7222
3077
3078I saw you at the Watershed. Lookin' fine in ya yellow fish gutting clogs, eating carrots. Box no 7223
3079 
3080I saw you at Browns. Behind the bar. Love the Beckham haircut! If you fancy having a sweet time come to the pineapple and ask for Big Ron. Box no 7225
3081
3082I saw you at the Watershed. Blonde, bright-eyed and bootylicious. I think you were called ace. Give me some sugar baby! Box no 7226
3083
3084I saw you at the Fez club and also the Rizla tent at Glastonbury. I'm sure lt was you, are you the noxious? I'm too shy to answer your email, but I think you're a big bad boy. Woof Woof! Box no 7229
3085 
3086I saw you at the junction at the end of Zetland Rd. Crossing at the lights you stepped out and were hit by a black Volvo. I think I saw you winking at me before you lost consciousness. What ward are you in? Box no 7230
3087
3088I Saw you at the Watershed. You've got blonde hair and a generous cleavage. You saw me by the bar on a Friday. Meet for fun and frolics? Box no 7231
3089
3090I saw you at the Watershed. With your Bill Drummond book. You have good taste, but you're making me sick. Box no 7232
3091
3092I saw you at the Watershed. I saw Matt Bowers looking ever so sexy! Box no 7234
3093
3094I saw you at the E-Shed. I'm French and just thought oh la la! Your high 'hills' drove me mad. Tout fou! J'adore! Can't wait to see you there again. A plus! Box no 7236
3095
3096I saw you angelic ray of sunshine. Miss you although I glance at you everyday. Be happy and contented. Love and peace. Box no 7237
3097
3098I saw you at the watershed. Blonde, blue eyes, your name was Anna and we got on as hot as a Finnish sauna. You know my number, Box no. 7138
3099
3100I saw you at R.S.V.P in Bath. You walked through the door and my heart skipped a beat. You said your name was Tim and you owned a laundrette. You wanted to watch my smalls go round! Box no. 7137
3101
3102I saw you at the E-shed. Hiya sexy, I saw you looking cool at the bar wearing your cheeky T-shirt. You were wearing my kabab by the end of the night..... SORRY. Box no, 7139
3103
3104I saw you at Browns. You sexy Caribbean lady laying face down on the pavement after falling down the steps. Me, a passer by laughing hysterically, would love to meet up and take a trip together. Box no. 7140
3105
3106I saw you at the E-shed on Tuesday the 3rd September. Your name was Marcus
3107
3108I saw you at the E-shed. Josh FC you sexy thang, waiting for your call, love from 'The Princess'
3109
3110I saw you at the E-shed. Two ladies, 4 breasts and a pint of larger. My heart skipped a beat that night. Lets do it three more times again... Box no. 7141
3111
3112I saw you at the Central Wine Bar. You were the sexy barman. I think your name is Matt. Whoever you are you are lush and I'd like to see what's under those sexy skin tight trousers you were wearing. Box no. 7143
3113
3114I saw you Erotic Dave, Eramos pocos y paria la abuela. Can't wait to marry you my little wallaby.
3115
3116
3117Jung Page Forums: 15 October 2002
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3119
3120bird
3121New Member posted 15 October 2002 13:43 
3122--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3123this topic really hit me in the head, i had to reply. (i even had to register to be able to reply )
3124May 18th 1980
3125the day of Ian Curtis' suicide. the lead of Joy Division, one of the purest bands i ever heard of. my soul brother.
3126also on that same day in the year of 1998 i first came to realization of my Self. my first poem, as a predictor of all the future ones, smell of rain, i remember the day so vividly.
3127May 18th, year 2001, very important decisions being made, turn around point of my life. 
3128May 18th 1948 birth date of a writer i connect so deep with thru his works, short stories mostly. 
3129the day always kept occuring in my life. it was always special for me. i was really stunned when i read it has importance in someone elses life. 
3130
3131IP: Logged
3132
3133
3134Still
3135Member posted 15 October 2002 19:40 
3136--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3137Bird, Mount St. Helens burns the day in for me pretty well.
3138May 18 1980. I was hanging outside with my mom at a nursery picking out plants for landscaping. Boom, boom, BOOM!
3139
3140Keyphrases: bird, Ian Curtis' suicide, Joy Division, soul brother, 1998, smell of rain, 2001; 1980, Mount St Helens, Boom. 
3141
3142
3143Unofficial R.D.Laing Website birthday guestbook: October-December 2002
3144------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3145
3146Name: Phoebe Cirio
3147email: Phoebe777@aol.com
3148Url: http://
3149Date: Sat Oct 19 12:09:06 2002
3150Wrote...
3151I am now a practicing psychotherapist. RD Laing was probably the greatest influence on me because I read him first. I was interested in psychology since I was 12 and began taking psychology classes in high school and summer school between academic years. I read The Divided Self in 11th grade and practically cracked my head on it I was so unprepared for all of his references. But I did get the essence of his ideas about a split in the self. This book and many others of his have provided a foundation for my thinking ever since. To this day as I practice in a more orthodox psychodynamic style my thinking is shaped by Laing.
3152
3153[...]
3154
3155Name: Sara Dyrberg 
3156email: SaraDyrberg@jubiipost.dk 
3157Url: 
3158Date: Fri Nov 29 04:15:15 2002 
3159Wrote...
3160Amazing, through out my study of Laing and what goes along, I have gained a language to communicate the conflicts of my own family.. who should have known ?! 
3161
3162[...]
3163
3164Name : scott lynch 
3165email : scott_raas@msn.com 
3166Url : http:// 
3167Date : Wed Dec 4 06:40:13 2002 
3168Wrote...
3169the only sensible person in the world of psychiatry.No-one "gets it"-fellow scot ronnie got some of it,but all perception is indeed subjective,and ultimately unjustifiable-- and few realise the futilty of it.A true black sheep with his thorn FIRMLY entrenched in the myopic arsehole of the stumbling conjecture known as "psychiatry".Need more like ol ronnie-sadly missed and sorely needed.GOD BLESS THE PIERCED AND THE PAINED. 
3170
3171Keyphrases: Phoebe Cirio, split in the self; scott, black sheep, thorn, myopic arsehole, God bless the pierced and the pained. 
3172
3173
3174Venue magazine website, male seeks female: 9-28 October 2002 
3175------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3176
3177luckyangel 
3178Aquarius 
3179lucky@angel.freeserve.co.uk 
3180Bath-Bristol side 
3181Hi,I am easy company, warm and considerate.Positive intelligent cultured sensual. Enjoy the outdoors. music, reading and more. Dislike animals. YOU: great, late 40's or a little over. Sociable, Reliable, light social drinker. Humaine, warm, smart with a sense of humour and enjoyment of life but not over the top. Hey! email me to see where we get to. 
3182
3183luckyangel 
3184Aquarius 
3185bonita@bascon.freeserve.co.uk 
3186Bath-Bristol side 
3187Friendship or much more sought if the chemistry is right. you: late 40's tolerant, loving, Smart educated reliable man. Your hobbies are your own but willing to share some with: smart, good looking, creative, honest independent, educated female with a sense of humour, love to share, with varied interests but allergic to animals and heavy drinkers. 
3188
3189James.. 
3190Libra 
3191james_dylan@hotmail.com 
3192Hello..Well here I am and here's my advert...Very simply I am a genuine honest, down to earth guy wishing to meet a lovely woman with whom I can share the some of life's richer pleasures. Basically I have the personality of a small planet and a heart the size of Texas...If you have a zest for life and the ability to hold a good conversation then you may be the girl for me..I Like to ski and play tennis and would love to find a partner to do all the cultural things that happy interesting people do...now where is that spell checker ? 
3193
3194Invisible Man 
3195Ringo 
3196silkysmooth999@hotmail.com 
3197Bristol 
3198I would like to meet someone to go to SPANK with. 
3199
3200Aquatron 
3201Not Really Bothered 
3202toohoouk@yahoo.co.uk 
3203Blige what to write?? 36 y/o blokey, musician, creative, funny, thoughtful, attractive, good cook, loves music, plays sports, does the odd club, likes arthouse cinema, bars like the watershed, restaurants. Looking for her whoever she is, whatever age, attractive in all ways. Send me an electric letter @L@ 
3204
3205Let's write first 
3206Sagittarius 
3207Amorveritasvenia@hotmail.com 
3208Bristol 
3209Intelligent, honest, reliable, healthy, creative, funny, piss-taking, shaven-headed, 12½ stone, 5' 10" 39-year-old, multilingual, solvent - but not wealthy - musician. Loves Love, Truth, Forgiveness, Karma, Depth, Communication, Conversation, Silence, Companionship, Solitude, Things Spiritual and the occasional cigarette. Cynical about the shallow, consumer, celebrity-obsessed, unjust culture in which we founder. Seeks strong, independent, feminine, confident, self-aware, self-respecting, good-looking, spirited, loving, woman who accepts responsibility for her own life and doesn't hate her ex's. For friendship in the first instance via an exchange of emails. Go on, be brave. Amorveritasvenia@hotmail.com. 
3210
3211Dave 
3212Not Really Bothered 
3213davidmarkuk@yahoo.co.uk 
3214Bristol 
3215Well here goes, lets see if i get swamped with replies!! Just a normal 36 year old guy, divorced, 2 great kids, im loyal, honest, hard working, guess im kinda fed up being alone. I work out and am slim to average, looking for cozy nights in, nights up the pub, love the cinema, reading ect, you know all the usual things. Well fingers crossed here that i get a least 1 reply. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain here, so go on mail me. 
3216
3217Phil 
3218Pisces 
3219BlueFox555uk@yahoo.co.uk 
3220Bradley Stoke, Bristol 
3221Hello, I am 29, 6' tall, slim tattooed, blue eyes, fair hair and have not yet met my soulmate. Is there a female out there who is friendly, fun down to earth, not materialistic (but that doesn't mean i'm poor!!), and turned on by more than home improvements and would like to meet me. I enjoy cinema, music conversation and am positive, considerate and have a wild past?!! 
3222
3223Spencer 
3224choose your star sign 
3225smizen@specialistpublications.com 
3226delightful 
3227Bristolian scallywag, Editor, 30, witty, intelligent, fit and active (it says here!) would be delighted to meet a happy and lively woman... 
3228
3229choose your star sign 
3230the_artists_mistress@yahoo.co.uk 
3231Bristol 
3232Very bright, funny, beautiful, 32-year-old woman looking for very intelligent sparring partner to keep her awake. Damn. Too many verys. Well, that's blown it then. Pedantic-proper-spelling-blokes a bonus...(P.S. Tried this before but bottled it!) 
3233
3234Freddy 
3235choose your star sign 
3236yourmovenext@hotmail.com 
3237Bristol 
3238Frog needs princess to help get him off the side of this well. 
3239
3240You can call me Miss Bird 
3241Not Really Bothered 
3242eclecticbird@amserve.com 
3243Bristol 
3244Hello, I'm a lively, independent, outgoing, goddammned attractive woman in my middish thirties. love all the usual arty Venue stuff; comedy, art, drinking etc... I would really like a stylish, elegant man with some wit and a degree of eloquence to become my accomplice and whirl me through life's adventures, making my pulse race and my pupils dilate!!! Am I asking too much? 
3245
3246Keyphrases: lucky angel, dislike animals; James, spell checker; Invisible Man, 999, Spank; @L@; Amorveritasvenia, Love, Truth, Karma, Spiritual, cigarette, shallow, celebrity-obsessed, unjust, responsibility for her own life, doesn't hate her ex's, Dave, David Mark, Blue Fox, wild past; Bristolian, scallywag, editor, witty; artist's mistress, Pedantic-proper-spelling-blokes; Frog, princess; Miss Bird. 
3247
3248
3249Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 10 October 2002
3250------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3251
3252I saw you Pixie Pants or rather I missed you as by the time I got round to emailing you, you'd dropped off the site! If you and your pants are up for some mischief...get in touch. Very naughty womble :) 
3253
3254DJ DIE I saw you again... Tues 8th Oct, I have green eyes & dark brown hair, I believe, I have an unusual flair, I’m a fire sign, ruthless & raw! I'm also sweet but not for you to mistreat! Chic@themusiclounge.fslife.co.uk 
3255
3256Keyphrases: Pixie Pants, womble; DJ Die, fire sign, ruthless, raw. 
3257
3258
3259Unofficial R. D. Laing Website forum: 19 October 2002
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3261
3262Phoebe Cirio
3263Registered User
3264Posts: 1
3265(10/19/02 1:59:39 pm)
3266Re: Violent, Hostile...
3267
3268I have to wonder whether the man with Lazarus Syndrome was in fact expressing a true self. Having not seen the show, I can only guess how it played out, but it seems what he did was very hostile. Is hostility and the overt expression of it necessarily authentic. Regarding Laing, I have to ask how others see his work in light of Self Psychology as developed by Kohut. It seems to me that the issue of others and the importance or not of others in defining a self needs to be looked at developmentally. Without an other in infancy there can be no self developed or the self development is stunted. The same can occur if the environment, usually mother, fails. For example a depressed mother who cannot mirror her infant fails that infant. Thoughts? 
3269
3270Keyphrases: Phoebe Cirio, Lazarus Syndrome, hostile, Kohut, others defining a self, developmentally, stunted, mother fails, depressed mother who cannot mirror her infant. 
3271
3272
3273Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 22-29 October 2002
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3275
3276Scants..i used to see you everyday and it made me happy. i pissed you off by bringing you a cup of tea in bed and asking you if you slept well. i was annoying and you did my head in. but i still miss you.nx 
3277
3278Seriously you've been great over the last few months and as Fred says "if loving you is wrong I don't want to be right!" - thanks x 
3279
3280(Ballee, in typically confused fashion, is an Irish name. Elvis, already seen in Harsh Singhal's murderous Messenger contact and personals ad mention is seen on the website again, with the "rock ideation" Anna Britten adopts as pop talent.) 
3281Ballee How about "Don't be cruel" by Elvis? 
3282
3283(Becky Blue, a noted French film and Eugene Byrne's hated translation of the French theme, continues the obsession with the colour blue. The "on your bike" message of early 2002 is repeated here too.) 
3284Becky Blue .I saw you on the 10/10 on your bike.we waved.good to see you. Bicycle man 
3285
3286I saw you at Victoria Coach Station pm 27/10. We were lucky, they put on an extra coach just for us! You: dreads and GQ - & didn't need it. Cool dude. Me: hopeful you'll read this and post some contact details. 
3287
3288(The non-existent party, looking disturbingly like the work of a child again, is noted for its repeat of the Australian theme, with Dave visible in accompanying personals ads, above, and for its trash Eastern Europe anti-Commie political stamp, otherwise just seen too in "Amorveritasvenia" and reiterated in the Russian personals, Polish theme, etc. Mick Hucknall, of the band Simply Red, known to have performed in the former Soviet Union and commented in one interview on a population in need of "a better system", may be its intended subject, and the message was followed (some time later) at Christmas 2003 with his appearance on the Later with Jool's Holland show on BBC2 where he performed a "party trick" imitating Billie Holiday, with the singer from the band Moloko diving into a speaker at the climax of one song, the first noted evidence in television at the time.) 
3289I saw you at a party at Miks place and you had a face like a bag of spanners and were about as interesting as a book about the economy of Latvia. No I don't want to go out with you and no I don't want to compare didgeriedoos! Bob G 
3290
3291Keyphrases: everyday, miss you; last few months; Ballee, Don'e be cruel, Elvis; Becky Blue, bike, Bicycle man; party at Miks, spanners, textbook, economy of Latvia, didgeriedoos.
3292
3293
3294Jung Page Forums: 31 October 2002
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3296
3297seeker1
3298Joined: 27 Oct 2002
3299Posts: 34
3300Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:34 am 
3301--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3302Quite long: 
3303
3304I have just recovered from a 2-month bout of very serious depression. The worst I have had for a long time. My medications are not working well. I have bipolar disorder, but have never been hospitalized for it. 
3305
3306I used to have PTSD (since age 3), but due to 2 1/2 years of Jungian Art Therapy, I no longer have PTSD. 
3307
3308Due to this recent depression, I have made some major changes in my life, in addition to visiting my psychiatrist for some medication changes. They are some simple tasks, which I call my "Emergency Kit." Stuff like "Wash one pot and one dish." When I get clinically depressed, all I can do is sleep. I live alone, so it's impossible to get motivated and all I can do is eat fairly well and bathe. That, I do, unlike some people who must be hospitalized because they are totally unable to do anything. But I was actually getting physically weakened, etc. And I am determined to avoid this in the future! I have put together a team of good friends my Emergency Team), and they are each going to get instructions on how to use the Emergency Kit, and also the best thing they could do, which would be (depending on the friend) something like "Hi, seeker1! hey -- haven't seen much of you, lately -- how about I come and get you and we go out for an ice cream cone!" This could prevent a depression from getting really bad and long. 
3309
3310Keyphrases: Seeker, depression, bipolar, PTSD, art therapy, Emergency Kit, live alone, Emergency Team, ice cream cone. 
3311
3312
3313November 2002
3314========================================================
3315
3316
3317Venue magazine website, Female seeks Male: 4 November 2002
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3319
3320chacquie goldberg 
3321Aquarius 
3322chacquie@hotmail.com 
3323Somerset 
3324looking for a caring & understanding richman no time wasters please no attached men or those hanging on to past 
3325
3326allie 
3327Not Really Bothered 
3328themagicalpixie@hotmail.com 
3329bristol 
3330attractive creative 27yr old, looking to meet man for fun days and nights out anyone whose up for laugh and doesnt mind a larger drinking, roll-up smoking, up for it kind of girl.. 
3331
3332Keyphrases: Chacquie Goldberg, richman, hanging on to past; allie, the magical pixie, larger drinking, roll-up smoking. 
3333
3334
3335Billy Cobham website: 6-7 November 2002
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3337The Billy Cobham website was the second site at which I was a registered user in 2001. Following events on the Laing forum and Jung Page forums, obvious stalkers began to appear on the forum and guestbook of the music site. "Sir Laurence" is the first of these, largely ignored, and reiterated in an entry addressing "Sir Billy" on the guestbook, spammed to near-monopoly over a period of months. The name Smith, as that of a drummer, appears here, otherwise my own name and a name common in sequenced films (with Jones and Brown, among others). 
3338
3339SIR LAURANCE (LARRYZACK) PROFILE 
3340Nick Name Sir Laurance 
3341Status Members Group (Activate) 
3342Member Since 11-06-2002 10:28:03 A.M. 
3343Total Posts 1 
3344Last Post 
334511-06-2002 11:30:00 A.M. 
3346Email ZackiewiczLJ@phdnswc.navy.mil 
3347Signature Larry Zack 
3348
3349Sir Laurance 
3350for Billy Cobham about sitting height (modified 0 times) 
3351I have been experimenting lately with sitting higher as opposed to low or medium height. This allows me to set the drums particularily the Toms at a more horizontal position. There is much to be discussed here as far as: the stroke, posture, and foot comfort and playability (dependent upon individual technique, etc. I've observed the transitions some drummers have made going one way or the other. Some of the drummers that have intrigued me with there height and subsequent posture at the drumset are: Yourself (Billy Cobham), Tony Williams, Elvin Jones, Jack DeJohnette and Steve Smith. Curiously how do feel about this and how do think it may effect your approach at the drumset? For some reason I feel compelled to constantly experiment with this but I need to find my "roost" as it were.
3352As an aside for you Billy, I've worked with a couple of people you have also worked with, namely: T Lavitz (in the BluesBusters), and Kenny Gradney (from Little Feet). From a standpoint of technical reference, as far as drumming technique and approach, I spent many a fine day years ago, with Freddie Gruber. 
3353Thanks in advance for any response. 
3354Larry Zack
335511-06-2002 11:30:00 A.M.
3356
3357D-Slam 
3358This drummer??? (modified 0 times) 
3359Hey guys, look what I pulled off the JID message board... I thought it was kind of funny.
3360"Very psyched JID is coming back this way and we are hitting both the Springs and Boulder shows. Pevar was outstanding before with JID, add a little feat bass and we are ready to roll. Never saw this drummer before so hoping this will be some fine jamming in CO-Springs next Saturday. Kenny Gradney, looking forward to seeing you again. Saw all the Colorado Feat shows so far in 2002 and actually met you in Keystoned this summer. Rock on boyz, some emulers are heading your way :)"
3361"Give The Drummer Some" 
336211-07-2002 07:17:34 P.M. 
3363
3364Pete
3365RE:This drummer??? (modified 0 times) 
3366Shall he smell the coffee and wake up, you think?
3367Pete
336811-07-2002 07:54:40 P.M
3369
3370
3371Venue magazine website, Personals: 7-11 November 2002
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3373
3374Yes 
3375Ringo 
3376whistlingfishcake@hotmail.com 
3377Brissole 
3378Good guy seeks bad girl for wicked times 
3379
3380Innocent Lad 
3381Not Really Bothered 
3382innocentlad@hotmail.com 
3383Bristol 
3384Young inexperienced lad seeks fiesty, sexy female to give him the benefit of her experience! Curvy figure would be nice and a dirty laugh is an added bonus. 
3385
3386Mr T Watt 
3387Not Really Bothered 
3388lurch@somethingorother.com 
3389Tibet 
3390T-800 hybrid seeks similar female with equal robotic skills. This terminator regularly needs a good oil change! Will consider the T-1000 model a bonus, please no mental mickies need apply 
3391
3392Keyphrases: good guy, bad girl; Innocent Lad, feisty; Mr T Watt, lurch, Tibet, robotic, terminator, oil change, mental mickies. 
3393
3394
3395Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 11 November 2002
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3397
3398I saw you in the asda cafeteria drinking your ginger and lemon tea (your medecine) and reading your guardian. please contact me as soon as possible in order to discuss the snails living under the rain in the north of england case.
3399
3400Keyphrases: Ginger and Lemon, medecine, Guardian, snails, rain, north of England. 
3401
3402
3403Venue magazine #536: 15 November - 21 November 2002
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3405
3406Slim attractive woman with personality. 40s, seeks big ugly man with money for "sex, drugs and rock n roll" and/ or bnlliant relationship. Box 2327
3407
3408I saw you at The Farm, you sexy Guy Fawkes Daddy! 
3409
3410I saw you at The Farm, again. I'm actually getting quite pissed off with you giving me crap head. On my pints of Guinness. If you don't sort it out I'm going to kill you in interesting ways x
3411
3412I saw you at Duvet Vous?, gorgeous ginger girly you know who you are...hopefully see more of you next time.
3413
3414I saw you at Delfer Krug. Harry Potter lookalike, let me give those cuts and bruises a bit of special attention.
3415
3416I saw you at Raincheck. Bar and Blue Rooms, Bath (Friday 18/10). Your name is Jan and you are Indian. I am 6.3" tall, wearing black, blonde spiky hair. You are gorgeous. Box S5381
3417
3418I saw you after the Vous? With shopping trolley silliness, the brother Gibbon.
3419
3420I saw you where I always see you. Again and again. For god's sake when will you realise what's good for you and be my bitch? Box S5362
3421
3422I saw you at Mandalyns (behind the bar). Come drive my truck or come for tea on my boat. Bristol Lesbo.
3423
3424I saw you at Mandalyns. Barry. if only you would wear your hair without all that wax in it, perhaps I'd love you! Box S5363
3425
3426I saw you at The Farm. I was working at The Farm behind the bar. you asked for a bottle opener - call me.
3427
3428I saw you at Duvet Vous...cheers the Phish for playing for us. Hope you had a gudun, hope to see you at the next one.
3429
3430I saw you at The Farm completely bollocksed. Happy birthday Nice, lots of love Noise Boys
3431
3432I saw you at The Farm. I likes you, I likes the way you work. Box S5364
3433
3434I saw you at the bar, we were playing a game, who will win is yet to see. You're real sweet, I'm not really, thanks for being a mate I've not got many. S5365
3435
3436I saw you at The E-Shed, hey Guapa! You're looking so good tonight babe, can you guess who I am? From your brunette love bitch. Box S5366
3437
3438I saw you at the Horn & Trumpet. You had a lush Ben Sherman shirt and I liked the way you gelled your hair. You were so fit when you offered me your mobile phone, so lush. Box S5367
3439
3440I saw you with your leeks and asparagus. The wind blowing your huge composter. What a sight. Meet on the hill. Box S5368
3441
3442We saw you at The Farm. You had a hula hoop in your belly button and then it all got funny. Box 5369
3443
3444We saw you at Bucky's. You were nekkid!! You know who you are, "Toe Bum"! A liberating experience I'm sure! Box S53610
3445
3446I saw you at The Blue Monkey Saturday 2nd October with a very short skirt and friend. Get a longer one, stop covering yourself up! I'm single - are you? Box S53611
3447
3448I saw you at E-Shed. Benyameeeen and Richie boy...smoking kills, you know? At least you could burn the evidence. Te he!
3449
3450I Saw you at The Shed. Like TV like Danni Minogue but cheaper like my type. After 9-5 she me together on this dancefloor soared my pulse female (10 years faster). Box S53612
3451
3452I saw you at The Old Duke. You were the Fat Controller. I couldn't keep my eyes off you that ribcage Fancy a date? We could go rowing. Box S53613
3453
3454I Saw you under my duvet. You left soon after my mum came in. Please come back soon Clem! Box S53614
3455
3456I saw you and knew there was no-one else. You filthy little beast, Sam. Hallelujah Box S53615
3457
3458I saw you at The White Hart, Park Street, looking damn fit in your ski hat baggy trousers, red T-shirt...and a BUM BAG? Never seen anyone look so fit with one! Your name might be Lee. Box S53616
3459
3460The Watershed...well I used to, but I hear your hot foxy chica ass has been fired, won't come here any more!! Where are your cheeky bunches?! Box S53617
3461
3462I saw you at Rolf & Dave's Halloween party 2nd Nov. You were dressed as Wednesday Adams. Who would have thought any man could look so good dressed as a woman; nice legs, fantastic handbag. Maybe I could be your Pugsley and you could tower over me? Box S53618
3463
3464I saw you at Duvet Vous? Jenny, and you've still got me bloody cardigan!!
3465
3466I saw you at The Watershed, you were dropping mad science over beats behind dat bar shizniz I thinkz I love ya! It's those low saggin pantz that hit the domepiece. you're me dawg! Les frotteur je-jenesis Pike
3467
3468I saw you at The Watershed. I dig your mad hip-hop styles, those low slung pants and that crazy limp, I know you like monkeys but I could swing in your tree any time! Box S53619
3469
3470I saw you at The Watershed ooooh those glasses, oooh those wee curls, that wee face, you've flowered and I love you because you're my soulmate - but don't get a big head because it wouldn't suit you. Box 553620
3471
3472I saw you at The Watershed Jess baby, shakin that ass, love ya honey and the psycho bunny. Smoochikins, lets get married. Box S53621
3473
3474I saw you at The Watershed, wearing your weird little tweed trousers, how you are flowering my dear, if you were a couple of inches taller you'd be a real woman!
3475
3476I saw you at Rolf & Dave's Halloween party on Saturday Nov. 2nd. You were dressed as David "Bargain Hunt" Dickinson in that wonderful 3 piece suit with the black mullet wig. Fancy coming to value me? Cheap as chips! Box S53622
3477
3478I saw you at The Watershed, You had blonde hair, sitting by the girl in the yellow mac. Box S53723
3479
3480I saw you at The Watershed. God I love you! Lick my trousers Mmmmm tasty! Box S53724
3481
3482I saw you at E-Shed 3rd Nov. Who's that fella who was wearing a new blue zip-up top, wish it was where it belongs, on my floor. I sald my name was Harry. can you be my Sally fella? Box S53625
3483
3484I saw you at bedtime, with big bunny ears babysham & babybel bunting. Baby be mine. Box S53726
3485
3486I saw you at The Watershed Jen, Mike and Lou, we met before Donnie Darko...remember me? Lets dance that (group) dance we never got to dance...I...think I love you (all). Box S53627
3487
3488I saw you at The Watershed in your big red shirt with your big red shoulders - do you do ballet?
3489
3490I saw you at The Star and Garter Jason. You work at BAE. Can you remember what I do?! I think you should know that I definitely fancy the pants off you! See you soon...? Love Isobel. Box S53628 
3491
3492I saw you at The Watershed. It's a crime that people don't have lime in their San Miguel. I appreciate your hell! With that red (ish) dress in mind, I think that you're the kind of girl to give me a yell. Box S53629
3493
3494I saw you at The Lamb and Lion Sunday night Karaoke. Song C David song for you. Lost your number Lucy from Keynsham. Box S53730
3495
3496I saw you Ezmal. I thought you were at The Watershed and it turns out I was misled, to find you at Arnolfini had me wondering where we could be, come with me to foreign lands, all I want us to hold you hand. Box S53631
3497
3498(Seeker is a recent arrival on the Jung Page forums, established as a location of the Venue network, and the username is now seen in the messages too.)
3499I saw you not. Neither here nor there. Though a serious seeker am I. Did you see me? Box S53632
3500
3501I saw you at E-Shed, short n curlies on your head. cute glasses down the shed, your tats drive me wild, thank god your ginger love god went home, From Lewinskam
3502
3503I saw you almost two years ago now, at our college party 30/03/01 - you were too shy to come up and speak to me...just as well I came up to you otherwise we wouldn't be together now! I miss you, can't want to see you. Love Vicki
3504
3505I saw you Swael and Alan. I need your intensive support, love Flossie.
3506
3507I saw you every Thursday at Esporta. Spanish lady lookalike working out on cross trainer and pilates stretches. You look great super legs and more...Fancy a trip to the Balaerics with the oldest swinger in town? Sooner rather than later. Box S53733
3508
3509I saw you at The Farm shop in Keynsham When you walked round the corner of the shop my heart stopped. I could hardly order the 6 eggs I needed. You are a charming wonderful man, thank you. I felt on top of the world when I left. Now I need some more eggs, so ask me out on a date next time I come in. Box S53634
3510
3511I saw you at Sigur Ros 7/10/02. You in black shirt/jeans, blonde hair tied back, me - red quicksilver sweatshirt & blue jeans. Our eyes met In the bar several times, you were with two other girls. Could we meet up? Box S53635
3512
3513
3514Venue magazine website, Personals: 18 November 2002
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3516
3517jacks 
3518Gemini 
3519Jackshurley@aol.com 
3520St George 
3521Hi Im a single mum in her mid thirties. Im tall, with blue eyes.I am out going, confident,very sorted and easy going. I would like to meet someone who is intelligent, fun loving, into family life and living life to the full. WITH NO HANGUPS ABOUT THE PAST. There must me someone out there that can live up to my high standards. Irish or nothern accents a bonus!!! 
3522
3523later 
3524Not Really Bothered 
3525cutthecrap01@hotmail.com 
3526Bristol 
3527Wanted bird with body and brains for nights out and fun nights under the duvet. 
3528
3529Keyphrases: Jacks, hangups about the past, Irish or nothern accents; cut the crap, bird, duvet. 
3530
3531
3532Venue magazine #537: 22 November - 28 November 2002 - Rear View: Sex Tips for Girls: Mum's the Word, by Kate Withers
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3534
3535"I bought an amusing postcard the other day. It was of the weren't-people-hilarious-in-the-olden-days school of humour and features two comic strips comparing the right and wrong way to instruct your daughter in the ways of marriage. The first picture featured a mother with her girl child sitting at her knee, instructing her on the unpleasant duties that lay before her; the opposite frame showed a girl pouring over something called 'Sex Advice'. The second frame showed these two girls grown to woman's estate: white veil and orange blossoms vs. martinis and cigarettes. The final frame told the inevitable fates of these respective wise and foolish virgins: the first was looking up into the eyes of an adoring husband and cradling a bundle of joy; the second was tearing her hair and wearing a winceyette nightdress that buttoned up to the neck - which I took to be shorthand for some kind of non-specific institutionalisation. Anyway, the moral was clear: Mother Knows Best. Well, weren't people hilarious in the olden days? And then I came upon an agony aunt column in one of our enlightened Sunday broadsheets in which a parent was complaining that her 15-year-old daughter's sex life was giving cause for concern. The abrupt response was along the lines of "Call yerself a parent? How come you haven't discussed in full, frank detail with your daughter everything that she gets up to?" In other words, Mother Knows Best. How we've moved on. The truth is, of course, that parents were, are and ever shall be the last people a kid wants to discuss sex with. My own formative years took place circa nineteen seventy-something. Our formal sexual education consisted of two afternoons in the school library with a 'counsellor' who talked a bit about When a Chap Gets Excited. Parental input: it's Better with Someone Who Loves You. You can imagine how useful that was. This left the prevailing tornado of the great sexual revolution to enlighten us, the first lucky beneficiaries of the Pill generation. What this meant in effect was that every man, from the hip young Oz-reading sixth former to hairy-arsed lorry drivers, felt entitled to try to sleep with you and put you through some guilt trip about being hung up if you didn't want to. Teenagers want more than anything to be grown-up and not hung-up, so you ended up sleeping with an awful lot of people, and you know what? It wasn't great. Moving on 15 years or so: I was discussing this with a young friend of mine who is 25 and American. His teenage years coincided with the great AIDS epidemic and his Sex Ed experience consisted of weekly classes that resembled hellfire sermons and left him with the abiding belief that Sex Will Kill You. His teachers may have had a point - but in terms of this mythological Healthy Attitude that we're trying to instill in our kids, I'd say this approach is up there with Wanking Makes You Go Blind. And now, despite a youth and young adulthood wholly devoted to Martinis and cigarettes, I have grown to woman's estate and have a daughter of my own, shortly to turn sixteen, and if the bruises on her neck are anything to go by, no stranger to Spin the Bottle parties. The crunch came when I want into her room and found packets of condoms scattered all over her floor. Where did these come from? I enquired. From the Brook Advisory Clinic, they give out free samples. And what (trying to keep the rising note of hysteria from my voice) were you doing at the Brook Advisory Clinic? I went with my mate to get her pills. And have you...? The cleaned-up version of her response was along the lines of "What kind of a slut do you think I am?" So I said I hoped that when she DID make the most important decision in a girl's life she would talk to me. "Are you kidding, nobody ever talks to their mum about it, I can get all the information I need from the clinic. God you're so embaressing, etc., etc." At least I can take comfort in the knowledge that, should any benighted soul ever try to tell my gal she's hung up because she doesn't want to sleep with him, he won't be able to walk for a fortnight." 
3536
3537Keyphrases: postcard, olden days, daughter, marriage, Sex Advice, estate, white veil, martinis, institutionalisation, Mother Knows Best, agony aunt column, broadsheets, sexual revolution, Pill generation, Oz-reading sixth former, lorry drivers, sleep with you, guilt trip about being hung up, American, AIDS epidemic, Sex Ed, hellfire sermons, Sex Will Kill You, Healthy Attitude, Wanking Makes You Go Blind, spin the bottle, Brook Advisory Clinic, she's hung up because she doesn't want to sleep with him, won't be able to walk. 
3538
3539
3540Venue magazine #537: 22 November - 28 November 2002
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3542
3543I saw you looking damn fine in ya fluffy wellies. Dammit. Meet me by the chicken coup to ruffle some feathers. Box S5373
3544
3545I saw you at The Farm fireman Dan...what great pockets you have! Not to mention your dumplings. Box 55376
3546
3547I saw you at MOB business lecture. You're a cute patchy haired blonde/brunette curly hunk, you're about 5'10, I think you're called Christian. but I'm too shy to speak to you because you're so fit and funny. I think I'm In love! Box S5379
3548
3549I saw you at The Watershed, your artistry was consummate, your arse divine, the bottle was empty, please will you be hours...what?! Eat something next time Mr Farmer! Box S53713
3550
3551I saw you at Death in Vegas. You used to be my best friend - good to see you happy & well. Loads of love always, Lizzie B xxx
3552
3553I saw you at The Watershed. Your manky mullet does you no good, you should drink more Tiger Beer because you're only a pussy cat. Nice cashew coat from Oxfam Toby, good luck in employment! Box S53717
3554
3555I saw you at The Watershed. You were coughing up nachos and refried beans into your hand. I'll never look at another man again. Box S53718
3556
3557I saw you at Watershed. I was grinding some daughter, getting my smoke on an ting when a girl 13 years younger gave me some sugar. Cashback! Ring me back an call me daddy. Box S53719
3558
3559I saw you at Watershed, you were eating some tasty nachos (although you've got a big enough arse anyway)and spilt all over you hands. I was well Impressed though.
3560
3561I saw you at The Watershed. You were grinding up some daughter, smokin some weed an ting. Bo.
3562
3563I saw you at Watershed, your sexy fat arse really turned my dials. Want to meet up for a bum reunion because I think I've had you before, that arse could only belong to Gary.
3564
3565I saw you at The Watershed. Hey yanky, wanna doodle my dandy? All man you are!! Soon hunny. J XX
3566
3567
3568Venue magazine website, male seeks female: November 2002
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3570
3571Tricky 
3572Taurus 
3573tr1cky49@hotmail.com 
3574Redland 
3575Late 20's fun-loving, but fun-denied bloke looking for someone to share nights out (and in) with. Must like music of all kinds and be able to speak their mind - honesty's always the best policy in my mind. Any age from 20 to 35 will do but must be young at heart - life shouldn't be taken too seriously, if you ask me. Give me a shout if you're interested. 
3576
3577John 
3578Aquarius 
3579maughan_john@yahoo.co.uk 
3580Bristol 
3581Are you missing someone to share those good times and treat you now and again. Well I am, GSOH male 32 into music,socialising,travel,countryside looking for female to explore with 
3582
3583David 
3584choose your star sign 
3585sailortwo@btopenworld.com 
3586Professional married man, 62, well kept, non smoker, light drinker would like to meet similar for occasional discrete daytime meetings. 
3587
3588Ifmusicbethefoodofloveplayon 
3589Aries 
3590warinbabylon@hotmail.com 
3591Bath/Bristol 
3592Me: Well, I'm caring, honest, loyal, intelligent, attractive, 5'5 and 34 with a good sense of humour. I love music (playing and listening to), eating out, the cinema, good conversation and the sea. If all this hits the right note with you (!), then get in touch. 
3593
3594Kiff 
3595Gemini 
3596Damnbrit76@netscape.net 
3597Bedminster 
3598Think Gloria Ganyor and I will survive then read below 
3599At first I was afraid I was petrified, 
3600Kept thinking I could never make it as a single guy 
3601But then I spent so many nights sitting on my little own 
3602I use to cry, and then I went on the rebound 
3603And now I am back as a more sensitive guy 
3604Looking for a sensitive woman to enjoy those crazy nights 
3605You can chat to me via e-mail, you can give me a key. 
3606You can bet you bottom dollar, there are ways to contact me. 
3607So if you out there 
3608Looking for a nice man 
3609To take you to the pub or 
3610Take you walking on the sand, 
3611I think I might be the guy 
3612The one to set you free. 
3613So drop me a line and who know where we will be 
3614I have open up my closet and I set the Ghosts feel 
3615I am ALIVE 
3616
3617Adam 
3618Capricorn 
3619windmill64@hotmail.com 
3620triangle (bermuda) 
3621massuer in training (at the illustrious city of bristol college, 26, nice eyes and arse, seeks interesting, beautiful funny ladies for fun and interesting times 
3622
3623Tell you later 
3624Gemini 
3625dontbuyahatyet@hotmail.com 
3626South Glos 
3627Social engineer seeks to fill girl-shaped hole with following materials: 1) Girl 2)precocious 25 to savvy 36 at push 3) possessing sound mind and firm body, well all curves welcome in right places 4) must be aware that lasting relationships need a gorgeous pair of wits. Correct ballast gets: sporty 38 yr old prof media man, blondish, blue eyes, 5.11, nice country house, brimming social life and enough dosh to spoil you rotten. No traders. 
3628
3629Keyphrases: Tricky, John Maughan; David, sailor two; If music be the food of love play on, war in babylon; open up my closet, set the ghosts feel, alive; Adam, triangle, bermuda; social engineer, prof media man, dosh, no traders. 
3630
3631
3632Billy Cobham website guestbook: November 2002
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3634
3635billy any new cds lately? i can only play crosswinds so much or spectrum so much.are you bitter as you get older? sure seemed like it with your attitude which was concurred with all who dealt with you.your on my list now of one i will never pay to see live and your works that i have supported will not continue. your drum set as is as big as your ego but not your i.q. and personal skills.a sad display of a former great gone sour and it shows.a total unprofessional display of behavior that was very surprising to all who witnessed it.we all love to look at eye candy but when your talking to somebody and you keep looking away to look at the eye candy its rude and totaly childish and by your actions you never grew up.
3636ron dane <does anybody remember me from the 70s?>
3637los angeles, ca USA - Thursday, November 14, 2002 at 02:49:15 (EST)
3638
3639Many thanks for your site, great job, that's what I was looking for!!! Keep it Up!! young sex pictures amateru sex amateur porn pics amateur porn pictures amateur sex amateur sex movies amateur sex photos amateur sex pics amateur sex pictures nude sex amateur xxx pictures free amateur pics free amateur pictures free amateur sex free amateur sex pics free amateur sex pictures teen sex pics teen sex pictures teen sex videos free gay sex pictures sex porn free teen sex teen girls black pussy free teen sex pictures nude young girls free wet hot pink teen pussy free teen porn
3640Joe
3641USA - Friday, November 22, 2002 at 10:35:02 (EST)
3642
3643Hi Billy ..... Come to Portugal !!! :)) The Web page must have the information about the next concerts!! TY TLages
3644Tiago Lages <tiaguss2001@yahoo.com>
3645Covilha, Portugal - Saturday, November 23, 2002 at 11:03:56 (EST)
3646
3647Spectrum chaninged my life.
3648James V. DuBois <jimdubois@attbi.com>
3649W.Wareham, MA United States - Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 22:20:59 (EST)
3650
3651Spectrum changed my life.
3652James V. DuBois <jimdubois@attbi.com>
3653W.Wareham, MA United States - Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 22:21:23 (EST)
3654
3655Spectrum changed my life. Thank you.
3656James V. DuBois <jimdubois@attbi.com>
3657W.Wareham, MA United States - Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 22:21:40 (EST)
3658
3659it is cool...
3660Martin <martin_hickson@yahoo.com>
3661mountain view, ca USA - Wednesday, November 27, 2002 at 16:37:35 (EST)
3662
3663Keyphrases: Billy, bitter, older, ego, IQ, personal skills, sad, sour, behaviour, eye candy, rude, childish, never grew up; young sex pictures, Joe; come to Portugal; Spectrum changed my life; James; it is cool, martin. 
3664
3665
3666Venue magazine website, I Saw You: 21-28 November 2002
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3668
3669I saw you the other day. You: pedestrian 
3670Me: driver of car on park street 
3671We didn't exchange looks, let alone words, but I'm just so very sure you love me too. You know how to contact me. Of course you do. 
3672
3673I Saw You Tammy . . . and what I saw in you was the other half of me . . . we ride white horses through my dreams . . . I see your face in moonlight, I hear your voice in whispers as I wake . . . I miss you and think of you every day . . . lunaexplorer@hotmail.com 
3674
3675i saw you 19/11/02. Shocked at how I felt. Was it for real? 
3676
3677Keyphrases: car on Park Street, love me too, contact me; Tammy, white horses, moonlight, luna, shocked. 
3678
3679
3680Venue magazine website, Male Seeks Female: 25-28 November 2002
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3682
3683Dan 
3684Capricorn 
3685remembermac@catlover.com 
3686North Somerset 
3687Desperate Dan (54), very much a country boy, who has done all the common things in life i.e. had passionate affair with long blonde haired nymphomaniac, canoed in Canadian wilderness areas, walked USA/British long distance paths, been stitched up by the Thatcher Government, bathed in Icelandic thermal rivers, ruffled a few Kiwis, seeks something different with someone interesting ? 
3688
3689godfrey trumpton-camberwick-smythe 
3690Aquarius 
3691footwarmer69@hotmail.com 
3692bristol 
3693Early to mid 30s 'bloke' (not) nonchalantly seeks not-too-deranged rock'n'roll (or not) woman with eyebrows for Xmas/Hanukah japery and warmth (boiler about to die). Non-allergy to cats/chocolate/radio3 a bonus.
3694
3695Keyphrases: Dan, catlover, Desperate Dan, long blonde haired nymphomaniac, Canadian wilderness, USA/British long distance paths; godfrey trumpton-camberwick-smythe, 'bloke', not-too-deranged, boiler about to die, cats. 
3696
3697
3698December 2002
3699========================================================
3700
3701Venue magazine Website, I Saw You: December 2002
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3703
3704at a maher shalal hash bash. i remembered wrong and thought you were in your gul. i remembered right that the room glowed around you. then i saw you looking beautifully confused in the middle of the night. the nights glow around you* 
3705
3706Girl with the exquisite taste in glasses... I saw you a few years ago at Vision Express... you're name's Cath. marvinthemartian@loony-bin.co.uk 
3707
3708Keyphrases: Maher Shalal Hash Bash, gul, glowed, confused, *; Cath, Marvin the Martian, loony bin. 
3709
3710
3711Venue magazine website, Male Seeks Female: December 2002
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3713
3714Steve 
3715Aries 
3716WhyNotGiveItAGo@Hotmail.com 
3717Bristol 
3718Hermit 41 (homeowner, 5 10, blue eyes etc) wants to come out of his own quiet cave off the Whiteladies Road and meet independent females who want attention and fun but dont want to be owned by anyone. Age and Status not really important, personality a real plus. We can stay in the city, or go for nights and weekends away. 
3719
3720Adie 
3721Cancer 
3722adrians6@aol.com 
3723North Bristol 
3724I've tried being clever, 
3725I've tried being cheeky, 
3726I've tried being hard 
3727although that's a bit sneaky 
3728(cos I ain't). 
3729I am what I am, a genuine true man, 
3730So if you want something real drop me a line telling me all about you! 
3731I'm professional, 34, a similar age is ideal, 
37325'6" and slim (so if you're petit that's nice but not a critical thing). 
3733I like to travel, cycle, eat out and swim but also enjoy a glass of wine, a video and just staying in. 
3734I'm honest, serious but fun and passionate too, looking for a woman - could it be you? 
3735
3736BillyBob 
3737Gemini 
3738schrodingerskat@blueyonder.co.uk 
3739Bristol 
3740Billy Bob Thorton wannabe seeks Girl Interrupted for Monster's Ball. 
3741
3742Later! 
3743choose your star sign 
3744apply_now_box666@hotmail.com 
3745bristol 
3746Porn Starlet required for Exotic productions. Must have intelligence to match her beauty. The successful applicant will possess humour and vitality. Flexible position, possible long term contract. 
3747
3748Keyphrases: Hermit, cave, Whiteladies Road, owned by anyone; cheeky; Billy Bob Thornton, schrodingerskat, Girl Interrupted, Monster's Ball; Box666, Porn Starlet, Exotic Productions, contract. 
3749
3750
3751Jung Page Forums: 2-12 December 2002
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3753
3754Corvus
3755Joined: 12 Aug 2002
3756Posts: 891
3757Location: Dark Side of the Midwestern Moon, Near the city of beer, cryptosporidium, and Harleys
3758Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2002 11:45 am 
3759--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3760Today I tried playing a CD on my turntable and was sadly disappointed. 
3761plasma screen butt love 
3762air purifiers 
3763smog farts from the planet earth have 
3764made my eyes water 
3765bottle it quick . . . 
3766the mercury in the fish has given birth to a new breed of horse children. 
3767Praise the power of edison. 
3768
3769[...]
3770
3771
3772Corvus
3773Joined: 12 Aug 2002
3774Posts: 891
3775Location: Dark Side of the Midwestern Moon, Near the city of beer, cryptosporidium, and Harleys
3776Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 11:03 am 
3777--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3778"Afraid of DNA" 
3779
3780Who got this stain on my pants 
3781Did you borrow my pants 
3782Who got this stain on my pants 
3783Someone must have borrowed my pants 
3784Who put this stain on my pants 
3785This looks like 
3786
3787A Feminist Nightmare 
3788
3789Keyphrases: fish, new breed of horse children, edison, DNA, stain on my pants, Feminist Nightmare. 
3790
3791
3792Venue magazine Website, I Saw You: 5 December 2002
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3794
3795Maria Sweetman... I'm desperate to see you again.... it's been a long time and yet my dreams are still punctured every quarter or so by some memory or other... 07932 114291
3796
3797Keyphrases: Maria Sweetman, long time, dreams, memory. 
3798
3799
3800Venue magazine website, Male Seeks Female: 12 December 2002
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3802"Mr H" follows the use of the name "Mr Hefner" on the Inertia website message board earlier in the year. 
3803
3804Dan 
3805Scorpio 
3806danpwalker2001@hotmail.com 
3807Hi, i'm 6ft tall, brown hair & eyes. 23 yrs old looking for a sexy randy 20 - 25 yr old woman. I like clubing and pubbing and having fun. Email me if your interested. 
3808
3809Simon 
3810Aquarius 
3811tallsimon@hotmail.com 
3812Bristol/Bath 
3813Tall, easy going, cheerful 32 year old professional, who’s interests include: travelling, walking, films, skiing/snowboarding and salsa dancing. Would like to meet a female, preferably a non smoker, who enjoys the outdoor life, eating/drinking out, travelling, has an easy going nature, wants to enjoy life and is looking for someone to do that with. 
3814
3815Mr H 
3816Aries 
3817workplace_massage@hotmail.com 
3818Bristol 
3819Now, before you pass judgement, i'm not someone who asks for starsigns in clubs, No No No! You see, i have this amazing book which mixes chinese and western astrology to create unbelievably accurate personality descriptions and seeing as one could never really get to have a feel for what someone is like within a hundred words, i thought this might cut things down a bit. SO, here is what i am most compatible to - 
3820Leo's born in 1982/ 1976, 
3821Sagittarius's born in 1979, 
3822Gemini's born in 1982/ 1976, 
3823Aquarius's born in 1979, 
3824I am 24, with my own house, i'm a jeweller, massuer and backing vocalist to say a few things. Just send me an email saying what you do and a bit about yourself and we can see what happens! How exciting ! 
3825
3826Andy 
3827Taurus 
3828letsgiveitagothenmyloverly@hotmail.com 
3829Bristol 
3830DOING QUITE ALRIGHT MIND YOU BUT IN NEED OF A SPARK! I am 27, 6ft and gifted with looks and health. I am successful in my proffession, which I love. I am spontangous, sporty, outgoing and love life. I am pretty confident and like a challenge. Love the outdoors and crazy sports. Like clubbing, nights in or out and fine food and drink. I paint and travel in my spare time. I see my life as a glistening sea of oportunities - its about time I shared this vision with an attractive sorted proffessional like minded young lady. I am a pillar of society but have a secret wicked side to share with the right girl! Lets talk some more.... 
3831
3832Mx 
3833Capricorn 
3834me@2100.org.uk 
3835Hi, surfy 30yr old fit & healthy red, looking for a girl with a good heart to have fun with, email me and ignore all the other usual suspects!x 
3836
3837Keyphrases: Dan; Simon; Mr H, No No No!, Chinese, jeweller, masseur, backing vocalist; Doing quite already mind you but in need of a spark, pillar of society, secret wicked side; Mx, surfy boy, red, usual suspects. 
3838
3839
3840Billy Cobham Website guestbook: December 2002
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3842
3843(Mine) 
3844Hi Bill. I saw you some years back in Greenwich. It was a great performance, I think, and left a profound effect on me ever since. I think I fell in love with that sound as I came to realise for better or worse that the mere simple act of the striking of a few drums might resonate so deeply in life, something I'd always known, in some sense sought but perhaps never quite found. I was left with a marked respect for you as a person. We spoke only briefly. Then a couple of years later or so I caught you by chance at a workshop and was deeply impressed by your straightforwardness and the degree of clarity with which you spoke, yet without at any point seeming preaching, condescending or hypocritical. At no point was I left with any doubts about the content of discussion or subject matter on which you touched, no crossed lines or double takes, when one comes down to it, like trust, humility and respect a vital ingredient in any teaching relationship. And your awareness of yourself and your effect on others, again a prerequisite for any exchange which seeks to allow the individual identities of both student and teacher to shine through without hindrance or constriction, particularly amongst the difficult babble of the madding crowd, and I think this showed. Thanks. Good luck to you on your path. 
3845Mel
3846EIRE - Friday, December 06, 2002 at 22:07:59 (EST)
3847
3848Hi my favourite monster, I saw you at your's recent bassano and marostica concert....Thank you because when i went home all my neighbour have been waken up....
3849Riccardo <cocchi84@libero.it>
3850lonigo, Italy - Saturday, December 07, 2002 at 08:25:49 (EST)
3851
3852I ALMOST SAW YOU PLAY IN DUNDEE FIVEISH YEARS AGO BUT I HAD TO WORK MY CRUMMY JOB 
3853SCOTT DUFFY
3854USA - Monday, December 16, 2002 at 19:02:47 (EST)
3855
3856I LOVE YOUR FEROCITY I ALMOST SAW YOU IN DUNDEE A FEW YEARS BACK 
3857SCOTT
3858SCOTLAND - Monday, December 16, 2002 at 19:07:27 (EST)
3859
3860billy, your my shaman. you get me higher than anything.
3861martin
3862hattingen, germany - Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 09:38:15 (EST)
3863
3864Keyphrases: favourite monster, bassano, marostica, neighbour waken up, cocchi; Dundee, Scott, ferocity; shaman, higher, martin. 
3865
3866
3867Venue magazine website, Personals: 17-20 December 2002
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3869
3870BOOTS!!! 
3871Aries 
3872Poision1dwarf@aol.com 
3873Leatherboots Wood!! 
3874Hi there!! Am a sweet dwarf... lookin for friendly elfs to come an play, my boots are in need of a good polish...so if you have a cloth, mail me...xx 
3875
3876Little devil 
3877Gemini 
3878Devilmad01@aol.com 
3879space!!!!!!! 
3880well...ere goes...hang on....just dropped me folk!! damn, rite got it now!! Sweet an petite thats me... 33yrs old,with strawberry blonde hair... fun to be around!!.. sooooooo..... lookin for fun an loads of laughs..well you guys, you KNOW what you gotta do!!! email me... life's to short(like me)to let your chances of knowin me go by...xx 
3881
3882Benny 
3883Pisces 
3884bengibbons1981@yahoo.co.uk 
3885clifton 
3886im a 21 year old good looking pisces looking to meet a non boring person who enjoys chat and getting drunk,im a trainee accountant and need to get away from he lifestyle,HELP ME
3887
3888Mr Ben 
3889Sagittarius 
3890big_daddy_donuts@yahoo.co.uk 
3891Bristol/Bath environs 
3892Are you a sensual girl with a brain to boot? If so read on.... Male 31yo, 6ft, blonde, fit, intelligent, funny, attractive, enjoys laughter, conversation & all that good stuff. Mentally stable & happy with life, wants to find a female too whom he can give some great times & shed loads of love & passion. What d'ya reckon? 
3893
3894Keyphrases: Boots, Poison1dwarf, Leatherboots wood, sweet dwarf, elfs, boots, polish; Little devil, space, folk; Benny, Ben Gibbons; Mr Ben, Big Daddy Donuts, Mentally stable and happy with life. 
3895
3896
3897Venue magazine #541: 20 Dec 2002 - 2 January 2003
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3899
3900I saw you at Watershed writing random I Saw Yous. Did you see me by the I Saw Yous, cause I saw you two! Yum Yum. Box S5411
3901
3902I saw you at Watershed writing an I Saw You about those two, you saw me cause I was with you. They were quite tasty! Box S5414
3903
3904I saw you at Tap. Lady with the toupe, you make my hair stand on end. If you want electricity, call me. Box S5415
3905
3906I saw you at Bath Tap. Man behind the fruit machine- come out whoever you are for love and fun Box S5415
3907
3908I saw you at Delfter Krug. Your mysterious eyes and dark skin drew me to you. You didn't understand much English which made it more exciting-saw you Monday and Tuesday at work. Box S5416
3909
3910I saw you at Delfter Krug, Bath. You are Gayorg. How do you catch a moonbeam in your hand? Box S5417
3911
3912I saw you at the CPS. Cookie...Why do you have the worst mullet in town...Kitten breath? Box S54115
3913
3914I saw you at the Farm. Good things. Well done Ricky and Lara. You sorted shit out. Love you both. Halfman.
3915
3916I saw you at Mr Watts. Your Friend gave me your number which I lost. I go to the Watershed most nights! Especially Thursday! Secret Admirer xxx Box S54116
3917
3918I saw you at Watershed. The Waiter (with the widows peak) is rather shy and very cute. 
3919
3920I saw you at The Farm. You'll always be the one. How many more ways can I find to tell you that I love you?
3921
3922
3923Jung Page Forums: 29 December 2002
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3925
3926Angelo
3927Joined: 24 Dec 2002
3928Posts: 7
3929Location: London, UK.
3930Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:07 pm 
3931
3932Hello, 
3933I would like to know about how Jung would protect himself from shadow-side forces in a big city like London, where i am living. 
3934
3935The inner darkest moments are very difficult to handle. 
3936
3937Thank you!! 
3938Angelo. 
3939
3940[...]
3941
3942Angelo
3943Joined: 24 Dec 2002
3944Posts: 7
3945Location: London, UK.
3946Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:34 pm 
3947
3948Dear Shariban, 
3949
3950I hope you are well.I am well God thanks. 
3951Thanks for your my first answer i have received in Jung forums. 
3952Your answer has being quite clear to me. Having in mind the celtic cross with the circle, i have to see in what state is my city and also that is a matter of choice where to live in it. 
3953I practice Siddha yoga and doing its sadhana, spiritual practice. Also i like Holotropic Breathwork of the Grofs. In a HB session i took in Ireland i came to deductions about a heavy metal band called "Celtic Frost." Something has trigered in me when you has spoken about the celtic cross. 
3954
3955* I will keep writing, 
3956i need it!! 
3957
3958Thank you, 
3959A*N*G*E*L*O 
3960* Happy New Year 2003. 
3961
3962[...]
3963
3964Angelo
3965Joined: 24 Dec 2002
3966Posts: 7
3967Location: London, UK.
3968Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2002 7:50 pm 
3969--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3970Hello dear, 
3971Can anyone tell me his/her discoveries of Blade Runner as an 80s movie, to any-classical mythology of the world? 
3972
3973Warmly, 
3974Angelo.
3975
3976
3977Keyphrases: Angelo, celtic cross, Ireland, Celtic Frost, Blade Runner. 
3978
3979
3980BBC: Inside Cherie's Bristol Flats: 5 December 2002
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3982http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2547617.stm
3983https://archive.is/J5EiM
3984
3985BBC: Cherie Says 'Sorry' for Foster Dealings
3986http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2563649.stm
3987https://archive.is/qika 
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