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2My company currently runs an in-house HP Blade, Cisco Network, NetApp storage infrastructure with VMware ESXi and vCenter on top of it (roughly 64 physical hosts a slightly less than 1000 VMs) spread across the whole IT department. The Windows vs Linux ratio is currently in the range of 1:1.
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15My management wants to run away from VMware, the main reason being licensing purposes. The company also wants to offer simplified infrastructure, more commodity hardware, full SSD experience and overall, self-service portal for creating, editing and deleting virtual machines, without having a full cycle for this. To sum up, we want to run our own IaaS private cloud.
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17We have looked at various options, including most commercial solutions, including both Azure options, but we are not confident about their solution for our needs and budget. We looked at other solutions and we came across both Stratoscale and OnApp and we liked both solutions.
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19These two companies seem to both offer us the foundation we are looking at. An hyperconverged design with only “dumb” commodity 2U servers and fast network connecting them together. Both options can offer Virtual Block Storage “vSAN”, Hypervisors and basic Networking functionality, including L3/L4 routing/firewalling. 
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21From a user perspective, there are differences in pricing and approach, but we consider them to be pretty competing for our need. Stratoscale seems to have an edge with a full S3 roadmap and API compatibility including modern devops tools such as containers whilst OnApp seems to have more business-features, such as near real time data replication across regions, with their DRaaS feature. OnApp seems to bring the devops tools as well, but it feels less natural and more an addition to tick boxes.
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23In terms of pricing, we have only considered list price and one of the solutions seems to be quite more expensive than the other. Stratoscale feels more like a start-up compared to OnApp, but they seem to be doing well and they seem to also have raised fair money from big investors and they also seem to be a lot closer to their prospects and customers than OnApp which seems to have a much bigger customer base covering their running costs, but seem to innovate at a lower pace, when considering how long they have been in the industry.
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25To summarize, the minimum features we are looking at:
26- Ability to create tenants
27- Ability to leverage commodity hardware
28- Ability to leverage *vSAN* features
29- Ability to create, modify and terminate VMs
30- Ability to backup VMs
31- Ability to protect / replicate critical VMs
32- Ability to delegate rights per tenants
33- Ability to create basic firewall rules (e.g. Security Groups)
34- Ability to visualize per node & per VMs resource usage
35- Ability to offer self-service portal
36- Ability to create containers
37- Ability to attach a VMware vCenter cluster (nice to have for corner cases with some virtual appliances)
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39Now, do you have experience with either of them, any success or horror story to share with me? I am looking into any interesting feedback about either product, or, any competing product which can offer similar features in an enterprise, looking to act a provider for its various departments.
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52Many thanks.
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54Have you considered Openstack / Ceph build out? We just completed a deployment OpenStack with Ceph (similar to a vSAN) with a Pike deployment. It's definitely worth a look but it will require someone who is familiar with OpenStack to build out and deploy the solution. I'm sure you are aware, I will say once deployed its well worth the time and effort it takes to do the deployment.
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59If you are used to the reliability and solid nature of VMware now, I'd stay far away from ONapp. They are in different universes with regard to reliability and stability.
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61Have you considered Openstack / Ceph build out? We just completed a deployment OpenStack with Ceph (similar to a vSAN) with a Pike deployment. It's definitely worth a look but it will require someone who is familiar with OpenStack to build out and deploy the solution. I'm sure you are aware, I will say once deployed its well worth the time and effort it takes to do the deployment.
62Thanks for the suggestion. I am really afraid of having to invest a lot of time to support the life cycles of Openstack. I did a project a few years ago and every update was a pain and I was not confident about applying them. This is one of the key reason I am not sure about it.
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64If you are used to the reliability and solid nature of VMware now, I'd stay far away from ONapp. They are in different universes with regard to reliability and stability.
65Thank you for your feedback. I understand that VMware is the king of the market, but their pricing, attitude and approach to infrastructure, especially in the new devops tools and self-service portal is not necessarily what I am keen to commit to in future. This being said, I will probably keep some clusters powered by VMware technologies. Do you have any specific horror story/experience with OnApp to suggest me to stay away? Any feedback is much appeciated!
66I've got nothing to share, but there are many here that have done the OnApp VSAN with not good results. You'd be better off to do a clustered proxmox + ceph solution than OnApp IMO, far more reliable and more scale. I'd even do a Hyper-v + Starwind vSAN over OnApp, and price wise it would still end up cheaper and more reliable.
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68Take a look to opennebula, I think it has everything you need
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70I've got nothing to share, but there are many here that have done the OnApp VSAN with not good results. You'd be better off to do a clustered proxmox + ceph solution than OnApp IMO, far more reliable and more scale. I'd even do a Hyper-v + Starwind vSAN over OnApp, and price wise it would still end up cheaper and more reliable.
71I have seen those feedbacks and I believe only PoC with experience can show if those have done it right or wrong, but I actually thought of both options you suggested: once with Proxmox + Ceph or Proxmox + StorPool and one with Hyper-V + StarWind or Hyper-V + StorPool. Not that it is hyperconverged with all options, but the issue with Hyper-V is the lack of front-end and native multi-tenancy. I am wondering if Azure Pack on top is an option.
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73Take a look to opennebula, I think it has everything you need
74I did, thanks. Just a feeling, but it felt to me like the porject wasn't very active. This is just a feeling, I might be totally wrong.
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76If you're looking for something similar to VMWare in terms of interface management, take a look at Proxmox. The Ceph integration works very well, and the ability to leverage Open vSwitch will give you a familiar feel in comparison to VMWare's DVSwitch. We've done deployments up to and exceeding the size of your current deployment, leveraging many of the features you specifically ask for, and have found that the learning curve is much less steep than it would be when comparing to moving to OpenStack or similar. I'm not aware of a vSphere integration for Proxmox, so it won't tick the box there, but if your goal is to do away with licensing for VMware, I don't see how you justify investing in licensing for a vCenter edgecase anyways.
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78We made the same move years ago, Goodbye VMware! Good luck on your migration.
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80Stratoscale seems a better choice.
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82Have you chosen a solution yet? I am in the same situation at the moment, however I have Citrix XenServer nodes as well. Have you looked at XenServer? It does not come with a control panel/user interface other than XenCentre which is installed on windows. It may work for you. I'm looking to move due to having some people wanting to monitor their own bandwidth for their VM but struggling to find a way to do this without installing SNMP on each VM, running the risk of a client simply disabling it. Interested to hear which way you go, I am waiting to hear back from OnApp have not used it for years and hoping the bugs have been ironed out.
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84OnApp is good for that.
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89We do a lot with OnApp and work pretty closely with their development team. We run a lot of production stuff in OnApp. My opinion is that they are worth a look, and they do make it easy for you to try them out. The only caveat I will offer is that their philosophy seems to be one of "good enough" with regards to declaring a release "stable" while they forge ahead with what's coming next. The core product is reasonably solid, but their "stable" is most definitely a lot of other people's "beta".
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91Never got into Cloud Hosting but I'm looking into it and everything to me is pointing to using the OnApp environment so I had to go with them on this poll. Not sure who uses Stratoscale. The only downside to OnApp so far is the startout prices.
92No that's not even close to the only downside, if you are using their 'vsan' type setup to say it is picky would be an understatement.
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94The only downside to OnApp so far is the startout prices.
95Yes, I just got pricing back from them, its crazy how much they charge now. I used them a few years ago and it was somewhere around the $500/m mark I think and or charged per physical CPU. Now its $1500 per month or start at $680/m and they will increase each quarter until you reach $1500.
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97No that's not even close to the only downside, if you are using their 'vsan' type setup to say it is picky would be an understatement.
98There's no denying when we launched integrated storage in 2012, we had an initial rough patch. It didn't help when some users went completely against our suggested network and hardware configurations. 6 years later, we've expanded the suggested specifications, and the product has become more mature. Roughly 50% of new deployments run integrated storage -- including service providers and enterprises with thousands of VMs, and millions in revenue. If it's something that worries you, but the rest of the product sounds right, our team is happy to suggest other SAN solutions. Even with the amount of integrated storage deployments, we still have several clients choosing 3rd party SANs - HPE 3Par SANs prove to be quite popular.
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102Thanks for the suggestion. I am really afraid of having to invest a lot of time to support the life cycles of Openstack. I did a project a few years ago and every update was a pain and I was not confident about applying them. This is one of the key reason I am not sure about it.
103Things have changed/improved a lot. Maybe you should give it one more try.
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106Yes, Openstack has becoming more improved these days. If you are afraid of upgrading giving you pain.
107Consider using openstack on kubernetes, with that you can individually upgrade your services, and rollback if you want to.
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109Yes, I just got pricing back from them, it is crazy how much they charge now. I used them a few years ago and it was somewhere around the $500/m mark I think and or charged per physical CPU. Now its $1500 per month or start at $680/m and they will increase each quarter until you reach $1500.
110While this is not much, more and more companies now start to shy away from License models and closed source software whenever possible. We have chosen CEPH + OpenStack as well as CEPH + Cloudstack. You can manage Ceph + Cloudstack with a small team (2 to 3 system administrators) while OpenStack + Ceph needs a larger team, to get the proper maintenance. To really unlock the power of OpenStack/Cloudstack, tailor it perfectly to your organizations need, a development team would be ideal, that said, if you're alright with standard functionality and have some basic coding skills, to make your infrastructure work with the API's it likely works well enough, for most deployments.
111Vendor lock-in and closed source is something I would not recommend using if there is a viable opensource alternative.
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113To come back at above, if your budget is not at least $1500,- / month for platform maintenance, be it paid to system administrators or a software license with vendor support, running a cloud platform may not be the route to go for you at this time. That $1500,- / month you will easily spend on time, staff or licenses (or a combination of that) I would even dare argue, that $1500,- / month is not really enough budget for cloud platform maintenance.
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115Open Nebula is worth a look
116we have some clients who are very happy they made the switch from vmware to Open Nebula